| 00:00.11 | cicero | çklj |
| 00:00.17 | Decepticn | ok im being asked about amount of memory (kB) to be used by the videocard... this is where i put how much RAM the videocard has? for me it is 128mb |
| 00:00.33 | Decepticn | is that what i should stick in: 131072 |
| 00:00.34 | streuner | just hit enter :-) |
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| 00:00.35 | cicero | la |
| 00:00.36 | nkuttler | Adremelech: why don't you use /etc/init.d/apache2 ? |
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| 00:01.28 | Adremelech | nkuttler: wouldnt either one work? |
| 00:01.46 | jkl_lkj | Hi, I got "Michael Ablassmeier" as developer in "aptitude show libapache2-mod-chroot".. is he the developer or support the package? |
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| 00:02.40 | streuner | jkl_lkj: why are you care? |
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| 00:03.37 | jeffwheeler | I've got an external drive with HFS (+?) which, after deleting a huge amount of files (roughly 80 gigs), the space is still not reported as available (df -h says I only have 30/110gb); running `ls -alG` reports nothing, so I suspect the filesystem is journaling the data or something. Does something like that sound reasonable? |
| 00:03.52 | jkl_lkj | streuner, to give the credits in a work (an article) that Im doing... |
| 00:04.03 | streuner | jkl_lkj: apt-cache show libapache2-mod-chroot | grep -i maint |
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| 00:04.29 | RedEyess | Hi |
| 00:04.30 | jkl_lkj | streuner, ok thank you. |
| 00:04.32 | nkuttler | jeffwheeler: hfs+ has a journar, yes. although that sounds a little excessive for a journal |
| 00:04.53 | RedEyess | I have installed the new kernel image 2.6.24 under Lenny |
| 00:04.59 | streuner | jkl_lkj: fyi, everyone who has mail-address <foo.debian.org> is a DD |
| 00:05.05 | RedEyess | and now my 3945 intel wireless card doesn't work |
| 00:05.07 | RedEyess | what do I do? |
| 00:05.17 | themill | jkl_lkj: look also at /usr/share/doc/libapache2-mod-chroot/copyright |
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| 00:05.27 | nkuttler | RedEyess: use the old kernel that works? |
| 00:05.33 | themill | !tell RedEyess about iwlwifi |
| 00:05.39 | jkl_lkj | ok, thanks themill. |
| 00:05.42 | jeffwheeler | nkuttler: I seem to remember having some weird issue with the journal (I think I had to disable it for rw to work on Linux)--is there any way to check if it's even being used? |
| 00:05.49 | RedEyess | i installed iwlwifi |
| 00:06.03 | themill | RedEyess: and the firmware? |
| 00:06.06 | RedEyess | but i haven't configured it (If I need to) |
| 00:06.10 | RedEyess | firmware? |
| 00:06.37 | themill | RedEyess: Please read the factoid that dpkg just sent you. |
| 00:06.38 | streuner | jkl_lkj: *and* ...changelog ;-) |
| 00:06.48 | RedEyess | I have only installed firmware-iwlwifi |
| 00:06.56 | jkl_lkj | streuner, of course. ;) |
| 00:07.05 | RedEyess | but not firmware-ipw3945 |
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| 00:07.39 | themill | RedEyess: that's the firmware for a different driver and you don't need it if you are using iwlwifi |
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| 00:08.24 | RedEyess | ok |
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| 00:08.39 | RedEyess | well, I installed firmware-iwlwifi... what next? |
| 00:09.02 | themill | RedEyess: how did you have the wlan configured before you upgraded your kernel? |
| 00:09.18 | RedEyess | WEP encryption, DHCP |
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| 00:09.56 | themill | RedEyess: OK, but how had you configured that? in /etc/network/interfaces, using network-manager, just typing the iwconfig commands by hand? |
| 00:10.01 | faern | in nio; are SelectionKey's going to have it's writable-flag set even if I didn't register any interest for the selector to wake up on OP_WRITE? |
| 00:10.10 | faern | oops.. wrong chan. sorry |
| 00:10.13 | RedEyess | network-manager |
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| 00:10.42 | themill | RedEyess: so you should be able to do the same now but the interface will be called wlan0 not ethX. |
| 00:11.30 | Decepticn | streuner: now im getting a different error "(EE) unable to find a valid framebuffer device" "(EE) NV(0): failed to open framebuffer device, consult warnings and/or errors above for possible reasons" "(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration" |
| 00:11.45 | Decepticn | "fatal server error: no screens found" "1" |
| 00:11.52 | RedEyess | themill: I do see wlan0_rename in the network-manager |
| 00:12.04 | streuner | you surely answered yes to the framebuffer question |
| 00:12.09 | RedEyess | however when I click on it, I don't have the option of setting my wireless network settigns |
| 00:12.13 | streuner | just say no to that |
| 00:12.14 | Decepticn | was that the wrong thing to do |
| 00:12.18 | Decepticn | hm ok |
| 00:12.22 | streuner | yes |
| 00:12.27 | Decepticn | ill run dpkg-reconfigure again |
| 00:12.38 | Decepticn | do i have to keep restarting to check this... its kind of anoying |
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| 00:12.58 | themill | RedEyess: can you pastebin the output of "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig" for me? |
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| 00:13.06 | RedEyess | k |
| 00:13.10 | RedEyess | one second |
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| 00:14.14 | cusco | is the module loaded |
| 00:14.24 | streuner | Decepticn: dude, in the "good old days" ⢠people have to read plenty of docs in order to get a videocard to work, so... |
| 00:15.08 | themill | cusco: if there is a wlan0_rename then probably... it's usually just some udev fuckage that needs z25 to be hit over the head. |
| 00:15.24 | RedEyess | sorry, what's the link for pastebin? |
| 00:15.28 | cusco | oh yea |
| 00:15.33 | cusco | rafb.net/paste |
| 00:15.35 | themill | !pastebin |
| 00:15.35 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 00:15.36 | streuner | paste.debian.net |
| 00:15.50 | Decepticn | how do i stop a "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" process. i messed up a option |
| 00:15.54 | jkl_lkj | streuner, themill Marek Gutkowski (developer), Marek Gutkowski (debianized it), changelog (same guys).. thank you. |
| 00:16.32 | nkuttler | Decepticn: just continue and dpkg --reconfigure later |
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| 00:16.39 | georgy_28 | Decepticn, : CTRL+C |
| 00:16.45 | streuner | raises his eyebrow |
| 00:17.07 | cusco | ctrl + c wont cut it |
| 00:17.20 | RedEyess | themill:http://pastebin.ca/961597 |
| 00:17.45 | cusco | wlan0_rename is working fine |
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| 00:18.07 | cusco | RedEyess: iwlist sc |
| 00:18.10 | cusco | as root |
| 00:18.30 | themill | cusco: network manager objects to the _rename interface. |
| 00:19.29 | themill | RedEyess: in converting from ipw3945 to iwl3945, you need to edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules as described on the debian wiki |
| 00:19.31 | themill | RedEyess: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#head-c9ab967d827d9e5de52656b78edab5f349bc70f6 |
| 00:19.33 | RedEyess | I have added some more: http://pastebin.ca/961600 |
| 00:19.41 | RedEyess | Ok |
| 00:20.38 | themill | Or you could just use your neighbours unsecured wireless..... ;( |
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| 00:21.39 | cusco | RedEyess: me being lazy I would only configure it in /etc/network/interfaces and leave network-manager to its own fate... |
| 00:21.48 | cusco | here would be an example of a wep key set: http://cusco.tretas.eu/linux/etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:21.58 | themill | except that doesn't cut it for roaming, really |
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| 00:22.03 | RedEyess | cusco: I would too but that's not working |
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| 00:22.21 | cusco | I would doubt that the name of the interface would cause it not to work |
| 00:22.28 | cusco | how come it is not working? |
| 00:22.42 | cusco | you can scan the network |
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| 00:22.52 | cusco | you neet to set the essid, the channel and the encryption |
| 00:23.06 | RedEyess | i will be back in 10 minutes |
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| 00:24.28 | Decepticn | im seeing a white screen |
| 00:24.58 | Decepticn | after i ran and did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:25.04 | Decepticn | is it because of the modules ive loaded? |
| 00:25.47 | streuner | do you have a window-manager installed? |
| 00:25.58 | Decepticn | yep |
| 00:26.07 | Decepticn | i can see gnome and nautilus running in top |
| 00:26.11 | streuner | how do you start x at all? |
| 00:26.18 | Decepticn | i have it autologin |
| 00:26.21 | Decepticn | after i start up gdm |
| 00:26.25 | streuner | good |
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| 00:28.17 | paul__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.33 | Decepticn | streuner: thats all good and well, but what is this white screen im seeing |
| 00:28.40 | themill | paul__: please pastebin the entire output and the command you gave |
| 00:28.58 | streuner | Decepticn: no idea, can you make a screenshot of that? |
| 00:29.06 | paul__ | http://pastebin.com/m7752bf3d |
| 00:29.06 | Decepticn | not really. its just all white |
| 00:29.18 | streuner | the whole screen? |
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| 00:29.32 | Decepticn | streuner: i can switch out of it normally like you would with virtual terminals |
| 00:29.41 | Decepticn | ctrl-alt-f7 is where the white sceren is |
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| 00:31.23 | RedEyess | thanks themill, cusco |
| 00:31.30 | RedEyess | my wireless networking is now working |
| 00:31.37 | themill | :) |
| 00:31.40 | Decepticn | streuner: never mind i messed around some more in dpkg-reconfigure.. itsworking now. |
| 00:31.49 | paul__ | themill: http://pastebin.com/m7752bf3d |
| 00:31.53 | streuner | !congratulate RedEyess |
| 00:31.53 | dpkg | Woohoo RedEyess, you did it! |
| 00:32.39 | RedEyess | k.. i am gone |
| 00:32.47 | RedEyess | have a good weekend everyone |
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| 00:33.32 | themill | paul__: are you running sid? |
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| 00:34.02 | paul__ | themill: no |
| 00:34.55 | themill | paul__: please don't make me draw each detail out of you individually.... why are you trying to install acpid from sid then? |
| 00:35.41 | paul__ | themill: this is a fresh install of etch. I ran apt-get dist-upgrade... |
| 00:35.51 | paul__ | themill: rebooted and that happened |
| 00:36.20 | paul__ | themill: I'm not trying to be obtuse. I'm new to this. |
| 00:36.41 | themill | paul__: there is no way that a fresh install of etch would be trying to install acpid from sid. What installer did you use and what did you change after doing the installation? |
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| 00:37.58 | paul__ | themill: the only thing I changed after the install was to get x working with my nvidia card. Then I saw there were updates, and it was recommended to apt-get dist-upgrade in order to get all new updates |
| 00:38.12 | paul__ | themill: that was the first and only thing I did once I got into x |
| 00:38.22 | paul__ | other than install irssi |
| 00:38.40 | themill | paul__: what did you do to install the nvidia drivers? |
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| 00:39.02 | themill | paul__: can you give me the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 00:39.41 | paul__ | themill: I added a repository, installed the nonfree nvidia drivers, installed nvidia-glx... |
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| 00:40.08 | paul__ | themill: I had to edit /etc/apt/apt-conf.d/70debconf to increase the apt cache |
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| 00:41.29 | themill | paul__: can you please pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and also the output of "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
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| 00:42.19 | streuner | argh, new libc6, new kernel and new grub in unstable, /me dances the pray-and-be-good dance... |
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| 00:43.10 | Demosthenes | can anyone weigh in on the diffrences beween debian etch and ubuntu's server? the only diff I see is the long term support (5 years of packages) |
| 00:43.33 | paul__ | themill: http://pastebin.com/md7c2353 |
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| 00:44.33 | themill | !tell Demosthenes about why debian |
| 00:45.23 | themill | paul__: ok... in adding the sid repository without any pinning in place and then doing a dist-upgrade, you have upgraded your box to sid. |
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| 00:46.20 | themill | paul__: see how apt-cache policy shows sid and etch with the same priority (500). That's bad if you want to run etch and not sid. Your libc6 is also now from sid. |
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| 00:47.15 | paul__ | themill: I see. How does that happen. |
| 00:47.17 | paul__ | ? |
| 00:47.27 | streuner | he told you, scroll up |
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| 00:47.33 | paul__ | netsplit |
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| 00:47.45 | w3rd_ | hey guys, im installing debian sparc. i try to change the partitions type to "physical software raid" i dont have an option to do so in the installation, does this mean i have to wait till the os is installed? |
| 00:47.53 | streuner | <themill> paul__: ok... in adding the sid repository without any pinning in place and then doing a dist-upgrade, you have upgraded your box to sid. |
| 00:48.29 | themill | paul__: when you run sid and it breaks, you get to keep both pieces and feel special. |
| 00:49.39 | paul__ | I must have missed it... |
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| 00:54.27 | w3rd_ | if i dont have option to configure raid in the install of debian, does this meen the hardware doesnt support raid or that i need to dl another version? |
| 00:54.48 | paul__ | themill: so can I leave out the "sid" part in a repository this won't happen? |
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| 00:54.55 | paul__ | http://pastebin.com/md7c2353 |
| 00:54.58 | paul__ | oops |
| 00:55.15 | paul__ | guess ill reinstall... |
| 00:55.31 | themill | paul__: your choices are (a) reinstall etch or (b) change your sources to lenny and wait until it becomes stable later this year. |
| 00:56.11 | paul__ | themill: just to be sure...when i added the repository to install the nvidia stuff, I can just leave out the sid part...still including main and non-free |
| 00:56.40 | paul__ | im assuming the nvidia stuff i'm after is in non-free and not sid, anyway |
| 00:57.23 | themill | paul__: no... you always need either "sid" "lenny" or "etch" in your sources.list lines. then you use main, contrib and non-free to get different sections of those releases. |
| 00:58.22 | paul__ | themill: ahhh...I added "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main non-free" to my sources.list. |
| 00:58.35 | paul__ | themill: I could have just added "non-free" to an already present line? |
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| 00:59.12 | themill | paul__: if your card is supported by the nvidia driver that is in etch, then adding contrib non-free to the end of the line is sufficient, yes. |
| 00:59.44 | paul__ | themill: gotcha...ok. Thanks for your help on this. |
| 01:00.13 | themill | np. good luck with it. (/me => bed) |
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| 01:00.15 | dobby | humps ChanServ's leg vigorously@@@ |
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| 01:00.27 | streuner | good bot :-) |
| 01:00.30 | cicero | I'm fuck in mon !! |
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| 01:01.13 | lontra | dobby isn't that something to do with harry potter? |
| 01:01.37 | streuner | s(he) already left us :-) |
| 01:01.57 | lymeca | The interface in aptitude is really weird but I have ncurses library installed. I'm not sure why it looks the way it does. I'm running lenny |
| 01:01.58 | lontra | probably killed by voldewort |
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| 01:02.50 | streuner | hm |
| 01:06.40 | streuner | some people have too much time... |
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| 01:07.18 | w3rd_ | hey are there installs of debian that contain modules that others dont? |
| 01:07.45 | streuner | usually floppies... |
| 01:07.45 | w3rd_ | i want to install raid from install but when i go through the wizard i dont have an option to configure the partition |
| 01:08.08 | Mantaar | lymeca: what's in your $TERM variable? |
| 01:08.42 | karsten | w3rd_: Most of them. |
| 01:09.01 | w3rd_ | most of them what? that have different modules? |
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| 01:09.32 | karsten | w3rd_: Debian is pretty much by definition a custom install. Or are you talking about _installers_, not _installs_ of Debian? |
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| 01:10.05 | karsten | w3rd_: In that case, yeah, read the install docs, there are usually a few different kernel versions supported. Install manual should cover RAID install. |
| 01:10.09 | w3rd_ | well im trying to install and config raid on a debian 4.0r3 install but i get no option to flag the partition |
| 01:10.10 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 01:10.27 | karsten | w3rd_: software or hardware RAID? |
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| 01:10.58 | w3rd_ | software raid |
| 01:11.13 | w3rd_ | i dont think this old server has a hardware raid installed? |
| 01:11.16 | w3rd_ | http://www.ajava.biz/configs/sun/rackOptimised/netraT100Configs.jsp |
| 01:11.18 | w3rd_ | that is my server |
| 01:11.26 | georgy_28 | w3rd_, : have look at http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/en/raid.html |
| 01:12.12 | w3rd_ | k |
| 01:12.30 | w3rd_ | http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-page2.html |
| 01:12.36 | w3rd_ | im going off that install guide for debian |
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| 01:12.49 | w3rd_ | i have installed raid before but for some reason having difficulties this time |
| 01:12.49 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 01:13.16 | lymeca | Mantaar: 'linux'; |
| 01:13.37 | Mantaar | lymeca: damn. Encoding? |
| 01:13.43 | Mantaar | Font? |
| 01:13.58 | lymeca | dunno |
| 01:14.12 | Mantaar | echo $LC_ALL? |
| 01:14.53 | lymeca | Mantaar: nothing |
| 01:15.16 | Mantaar | hm. What sort of garbage comes out? |
| 01:15.49 | lymeca | when what happens? |
| 01:15.54 | lymeca | in aptitude? |
| 01:16.03 | Mantaar | yes... |
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| 01:16.20 | lymeca | it just has big holes in menus |
| 01:17.04 | Mantaar | holes? You mean, the menubar is black or some of the fonts are black? |
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| 01:18.48 | johnf | does anyone know what the usual wait time is when emailing da-manager@d.o ? |
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| 01:19.57 | Decepticn | hi, how do i go about getting tv-out working with a geforce fx5500 on debian etch? |
| 01:19.57 | lymeca | and sure yeah |
| 01:20.20 | phorce1 | great, now I have to start figuring out what I'll need to recompile for the dvb-s card and nvidia. Lenny just decided it wants 2.6.24 up from my 2.6.22. |
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| 01:20.48 | phorce1 | oh well, time for a cleanup anyway. I've got headers and source for way to many kernel versions floating around. |
| 01:21.15 | karsten | w3rd_: One option is to set up the RAID partitioning and just accept and install into that. |
| 01:21.40 | karsten | w3rd_: I think there's an official method, however, and would suggest reading and following that rather than what I'm pulling out of /dev/ass. |
| 01:21.42 | Decepticn | how do i go about getting tv-out working with a geforce fx5500 on debian etch? |
| 01:21.47 | Decepticn | er sorry about repeating |
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| 01:23.09 | aguai | how can I know which program is occupieing my port 80? |
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| 01:24.42 | SlimeyPete | aguai: run "netstat -a | less" and look for port 80 or 'www' at the top |
| 01:25.31 | SlimeyPete | oh wait |
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| 01:25.41 | SlimeyPete | bah, I'm getting mixed up, it doesn't show process names |
| 01:26.08 | dondelelcaro | netstat -plunt; is what you want |
| 01:26.20 | dondelelcaro | (as root, you'll see the names) |
| 01:26.50 | SlimeyPete | yeah, that's the one |
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| 01:27.38 | georgy_28 | dondelelcaro, : nice |
| 01:28.06 | Riotblade | Hey, what's the easiest way to limit bandwidth per application? |
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| 01:29.18 | dondelelcaro | Riotblade: preload a module to do it or use tc or... the list goes on. |
| 01:29.25 | Riotblade | what's tc? |
| 01:29.32 | Riotblade | and where can I read about this preloading a module method? |
| 01:29.35 | dondelelcaro | !tc |
| 01:29.35 | dpkg | [tc] the Debian Test Cycle Trafic Control, a program for defining QoS rules in 2.4 (backported?), or in iproute package. Alternatively Top Cat, or Turbo C |
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| 01:30.36 | aguai | dondelelcaro, SlimeyPete: thanx |
| 01:30.47 | Riotblade | Hmm... sounds complicated |
| 01:31.10 | dondelelcaro | it's how you do real llive traffic shaping; if you just want to do something simple, try trickle or similar. |
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| 01:33.06 | Riotblade | thanks |
| 01:33.08 | Riotblade | gonna install it |
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| 01:35.33 | Laptop_Brain | hi, im considering trying out debian on a netra T1 sparc64 system... has anyone had personal experience of this, and also is your sparc build 32 or 64 bit? |
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| 01:52.08 | MrKeuner | hi, where does one specify the --configure options when using dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 01:52.30 | Guerin | MrKeuner: in debian/rules |
| 01:53.44 | xlotlu | ugh, --nograb doesn't work for klipper ... i wonder how i could test for other apps to see if it's a qt bug |
| 01:53.59 | MrKeuner | Guerin: that's created after dh_make is run, right? |
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| 01:57.21 | w3rd_ | hey guys do you know of an debian sparc install disc that includes mdadm |
| 01:57.22 | w3rd_ | ? |
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| 01:57.41 | Guerin | MrKeuner: yes, it's part of the completed source tree |
| 01:57.43 | w3rd_ | it appears that the disc that i have downloaded doesnt have it installed? |
| 01:58.20 | Guerin | w3rd_: cat got your internets? |
| 01:58.32 | w3rd_ | sort of.... |
| 01:58.34 | bolt | what's that cheap kind of wooden material called, where a bunch of grinded up wood is stuffed between two sheets of more wood to make a somewhat ok surface? |
| 01:59.12 | Guerin | bolt: laminated fibreboard, often branded as formica |
| 01:59.31 | bolt | Guerin: always a quick answer :D thanks |
| 01:59.34 | w3rd_ | i tried to install 4.0r3 on a sparc system, netra t100 and the installer doesnt have mdadm on it... so i have to attempt this deprecated raid config and i keep screwing it up, i was wandering if there is a recommended install cd that has mdadm for debian spac? |
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| 01:59.44 | bolt | wubs Guerin, wherether it's on or off topic |
| 01:59.54 | Riotblade | dondelelcaro, looks like trickle doesn't work on iceweasel, any other suggestions? |
| 01:59.54 | Guerin | long time |
| 02:00.05 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | hmm |
| 02:00.16 | bolt | yeh |
| 02:00.17 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | I must wait for an ipw3945 module for the new kernel |
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| 02:03.55 | m0u5e | hi, i'm installing debian 4.0 on my old 200mhtz machine... and i finally got the debian installer to load using sbm, but now i'm running into a VFS error, it says that its unable to mount, and asks me to try specifying a root= option |
| 02:04.17 | m0u5e | i'm a pretty new linux user, so please be gentle with me :) |
| 02:06.20 | w3rd_ | is there a way to to a netinstall of debian if i dont have an nfs server etc? |
| 02:06.21 | dondelelcaro | Riotblade: it'll actually work with iceweasel, but requires a bit of work to get it to do so. Why exactly do you want to throttle iceweasel anyway? |
| 02:06.37 | MrKeuner | does dpkg-buildpackage create each --configure option as a seperate .deb file? |
| 02:06.46 | dondelelcaro | w3rd_: yes. In fact, it's quite a bit more difficult to do an NFS server install than otherwise. |
| 02:06.51 | LaptopBrain | how do i get out of the guided partitioning and just use bloody fdisk? :/ btw im in a serial console. |
| 02:06.59 | dondelelcaro | MrKeuner: no, dpkg-buildpackage knows nothing about configure options. |
| 02:07.12 | w3rd_ | do you have a good link where i could find how to perform a netinstall |
| 02:07.13 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 02:07.19 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: just back out of it, and use the menu to start one. |
| 02:07.20 | dondelelcaro | !ig |
| 02:07.20 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 02:07.24 | dondelelcaro | w3rd_: see above. |
| 02:07.33 | MrKeuner | dondelelcaro: I am compiling amule cvs version using dpkg-buildpackage and it is giving me zillions of .deb packages, why is that |
| 02:07.40 | LaptopBrain | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 02:07.49 | MrKeuner | dondelelcaro: except my being lazy to read the guide |
| 02:07.55 | LaptopBrain | hmmm |
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| 02:08.05 | LaptopBrain | theres no 'fdisk' on the debian netinst |
| 02:08.18 | LaptopBrain | are there no other ways to partition from this disk than the guided thing? |
| 02:08.18 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: it should have cfdisk iirc. |
| 02:08.23 | LaptopBrain | that'll do |
| 02:08.28 | LaptopBrain | nope doesnt have it |
| 02:08.36 | dondelelcaro | but the guided partitioner is quite trivial to use anyway |
| 02:08.43 | w3rd_ | dondeleclaro: ty |
| 02:09.03 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: what hardware are you installing to? |
| 02:09.06 | LaptopBrain | not in this serial console it isnt |
| 02:09.13 | LaptopBrain | and it keeps refusing to allocate the entirity of one of my scsi drives |
| 02:09.16 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: even in a serial console it's trivial |
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| 02:09.22 | LaptopBrain | its 18.2gb and it keeps refusing to allocate over 1.7gb |
| 02:09.32 | LaptopBrain | no its not, i only have black and white and it doesnt render right |
| 02:09.36 | jngu1 | Anyone know how to bind middle click to a different button in X.org? |
| 02:09.45 | LaptopBrain | and like i said, its not allocating the partition correctly :( |
| 02:10.05 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: it's just text, and if it can't allocate more than 1.7G, it's most likely because it can't see the rest of the drive. |
| 02:10.08 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: which architecture is this? |
| 02:10.10 | LaptopBrain | i tell it to allocate 18.2... it whines that it has to write to the disk immediately due to parted bugs in sun systems |
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| 02:10.17 | LaptopBrain | then i look again and it says 100mb /boot and 1.7gb / |
| 02:10.29 | LaptopBrain | sparc, dondelelcaro |
| 02:10.46 | LaptopBrain | two scsi drives |
| 02:11.16 | LaptopBrain | it can see the rest, it offers to make an 18.2 gb partition in it, it can also see all the second drive and partitions that ok |
| 02:11.24 | dondelelcaro | huh. there is an fdisk udeb |
| 02:11.31 | dondelelcaro | and it's built for sparc, so it should be there. |
| 02:11.40 | LaptopBrain | udeb? |
| 02:11.56 | LaptopBrain | i dont have a system UP at the moment, this is in the installer? |
| 02:12.01 | dondelelcaro | yes. |
| 02:12.19 | Riotblade | [19:06] <dondelelcaro> Riotblade: it'll actually work with iceweasel, but requires a bit of work to get it to do so. Why exactly do you want to throttle iceweasel anyway? <---- I use this box to upload videos to video sharing sites and don't want to use all my bandwidth |
| 02:12.26 | LaptopBrain | where abouts? im using the testing netinst |
| 02:13.03 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: it's a small package for the installer; it should in theory have been unpacked when you started the installer. It's almost definetly there for etch, though, so you probably should be using that unless you have a very special reason to be using the testing installer. |
| 02:13.13 | LaptopBrain | i ran a find command against the entire ramdisk fs, its not there for me |
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| 02:13.28 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: then get the udeb and unpack it, and use its fdisk. |
| 02:13.35 | LaptopBrain | how/where? |
| 02:13.40 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: from any Debian mirror |
| 02:13.50 | dondelelcaro | (well, any mirror which has sparc) |
| 02:14.00 | LaptopBrain | sighs |
| 02:14.48 | dondelelcaro | you could also just use the ssh installer if you're really having problems with the serial install |
| 02:14.58 | dondelelcaro | (use serial to get yourself started, then take over with ssh) |
| 02:14.59 | LaptopBrain | what about the 4.0 r3 netinst? |
| 02:15.05 | dondelelcaro | that's etch. |
| 02:15.14 | LaptopBrain | ok, i'll burn that to cd and try it |
| 02:15.46 | LaptopBrain | i didnt see any ssh installer btw |
| 02:16.06 | r4nge | anyone here involved in the telecom industry... t1s, isdn, etc |
| 02:16.17 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: you have to start in expert mode and load the ssh udeb. [You may also have to start in expert mode to load the fdisk and/or cfdisk udeb.] |
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| 02:16.24 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: this is all explained in the installation guide |
| 02:17.17 | LaptopBrain | dondelelcaro: well im hardly a debian expert. |
| 02:17.17 | Decepticn | what do i need to install in order to use tv out for nvidia graphics cards |
| 02:17.35 | LaptopBrain | i would however rather use fdisk as its what ive used for years and i know it works even on a 9600 baud serial link :p |
| 02:17.51 | LaptopBrain | so im surprised its hidden under expert stuff |
| 02:18.15 | Decepticn | nvidia-xconfig, nvtv, xserver-xorg-video-nv, nvidia-glx, nvidia-settings ? |
| 02:19.21 | m0u5e | hi, i'm installing debian 4.0 on my old 200mhtz machine... and i finally got the debian installer to load using sbm, but now i'm running into a VFS error, it says that its unable to mount, and asks me to try specifying a root= option |
| 02:19.36 | dondelelcaro | LaptopBrain: it's hidden under expert stuff because the proportion of people who know how to use fdisk is becomming smaller and smaller. |
| 02:20.04 | m0u5e | anyone know? |
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| 02:20.45 | S4nD3r | Is there any software to watch TV through internet? |
| 02:21.23 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: nothing really special is needed for that |
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| 02:21.37 | S4nD3r | ummmm |
| 02:21.40 | Decepticn | how do i do the equivalent of uninstalling and purging all configuration files with apt-get on cli? |
| 02:21.53 | Decepticn | uninstalling and purging (in synaptic) |
| 02:21.59 | rootard | --purge |
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| 02:22.14 | rootard | apt-get --purge remove (package) |
| 02:22.19 | Decepticn | thanks |
| 02:22.24 | rootard | np |
| 02:22.26 | beardy | Nooo |
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| 02:22.30 | rootard | ? |
| 02:22.31 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 02:22.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
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| 02:23.04 | rootard | thanks for that. Looks like I have catching up to do. |
| 02:23.09 | beardy | :) |
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| 02:24.34 | Decepticn | i did not know that |
| 02:24.42 | Decepticn | ive been using apt-get for the longest time |
| 02:24.46 | Decepticn | :/ nobody told me that! |
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| 02:33.47 | xuser | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:37.09 | zmitya | hi all |
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| 02:37.47 | zmitya | guys, how can I patch binutils under etch ? |
| 02:38.04 | zmitya | I always get signal 11 sent to "/var/jail/apache/usr/local/jre1.6.0_05/bin/java" when using grsec |
| 02:38.27 | zmitya | I found this: http://osdir.com/ml/kernel.grsecurity/2004-10/msg00020.html |
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| 02:38.48 | zmitya | so I need PT_PAX support somehow |
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| 02:41.01 | martianixor | hi, set guioptions+=m didn't bring the gvims menubar back after it disappearance |
| 02:41.23 | martianixor | vim-runtime is installed |
| 02:41.32 | martianixor | anyone? |
| 02:42.06 | Riotblade | dondelelcaro, have any guide for getting trickle to work on iceweasel? |
| 02:42.11 | martianixor | I asked on #vim got no answer, was confused about whether it's vim related so I asked here |
| 02:42.29 | martianixor | could it be gtk? |
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| 02:43.04 | jaggy- | dpkg nfs? |
| 02:43.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 02:44.09 | martianixor | you guys are getting my posts? |
| 02:44.31 | zmitya | yes |
| 02:44.42 | martianixor | zmitya: thanks for confirming |
| 02:44.54 | zmitya | np :) |
| 02:45.22 | ethernet_ | martianixor: yes, I read at least, unfortunately I can't help you on that. |
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| 02:45.39 | martianixor | ethernet_: thanks anyway :-) |
| 02:46.41 | Penix | martianixor: 'set tb=icons' maybe? |
| 02:46.43 | Riotblade | Hey, I'm trying to limit iceweasel's upload speed so uploading things onto sites don't affect the whole network. Anybody can give me hints on how to achieve this for this particular app? |
| 02:47.35 | martianixor | Penix: I have the icons |
| 02:47.43 | Agrajag- | Riotblade: see trickle |
| 02:47.49 | martianixor | Penix: but not the menubar as in File Edit View etc |
| 02:47.49 | Penix | martianixor: oh. the menubar, not the toolbar? |
| 02:47.54 | Penix | ok |
| 02:47.56 | martianixor | Penix: yes |
| 02:48.05 | Riotblade | Agrajag-, already did and... |
| 02:48.15 | Riotblade | [19:06] <dondelelcaro> Riotblade: it'll actually work with iceweasel, but requires a bit of work to get it to do so. Why exactly do you want to throttle iceweasel anyway? |
| 02:48.34 | martianixor | Penix: what really bothers me is how it disappeared in the first place |
| 02:49.04 | martianixor | Penix: may be a keyboard short cut for toggling its visibility |
| 02:49.35 | martianixor | I think i've hit it by mistake, unfortunately I don't know it, nor could find it when I ran a search |
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| 02:50.13 | Soskel | hi |
| 02:50.23 | Soskel | what's the command to grant a user root? |
| 02:50.45 | Riotblade | Agrajag-, well, do you know if trickle definitely works on iceweasel's architecture because I've tried it and it didn't affect it |
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| 02:50.47 | Penix | martianixor: can't seem to find a menu option for it. there's a toggle toolbar one. I didn't think you could remove the menubar. I could be wrong though |
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| 02:51.08 | martianixor | Penix: yeah It's very weird |
| 02:51.18 | Soskel | ??? |
| 02:51.19 | Penix | martianixor: the toolbar has been detached, has it? |
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| 02:51.26 | Penix | floating over the top of the menubar maybe... |
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| 02:51.35 | Penix | only thing I can think of |
| 02:51.41 | Agrajag- | Riotblade: don't know, i haven't actually tried it with iceweasal. i'm sure google can help you |
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| 02:52.00 | Riotblade | kinda, but trickle is too common of a word |
| 02:52.04 | Soskel | anyone> |
| 02:53.03 | martianixor | Penix: detached ! |
| 02:53.26 | Soskel | can someone answer me please |
| 02:53.27 | Penix | martianixor: it was? |
| 02:53.55 | martianixor | Penix: It's the first time I hear of that |
| 02:54.02 | Penix | martianixor: hehe. cool. thought it was a bit weird |
| 02:54.05 | martianixor | Penix: so I don't think so |
| 02:54.11 | Penix | ah |
| 02:54.14 | Soskel | ...? |
| 02:54.39 | martianixor | Penix: is that possible to detach the toolbar? |
| 02:55.10 | Winkie | Soskel: you don't 'grant a user root', there is only the root user |
| 02:55.13 | Penix | martianixor: you just click and drag the little handle on the left side (if they're enabled) |
| 02:55.17 | Winkie | you can add someone to the wheel group in order that they might sudo to root |
| 02:55.18 | Penix | martianixor: try Ctrl+F11 first though |
| 02:55.36 | Soskel | Winkie: how can I change the roots username? |
| 02:55.43 | Winkie | Soskel: why would you want to? |
| 02:55.44 | Penix | Soskel: why? |
| 02:55.57 | Soskel | so I can't get hacked... |
| 02:55.59 | Riotblade | hmm... trickle actually has a weird effect on iceweasel |
| 02:56.02 | Penix | Soskel: that doesn't make sense |
| 02:56.17 | Winkie | Soskel: root's username is easy to discern, many files are owned by root and it would be trivial to find out |
| 02:56.25 | martianixor | Penix: no effect |
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| 02:56.39 | Winkie | Soskel: you should ensure you have strong passwords and keep up with security updates, that will be a lot more effective than changing your root users' name |
| 02:56.52 | Winkie | Penix: i guess he was too afraid we might hack him |
| 02:56.55 | Winkie | we know his root username now 8) |
| 02:56.57 | martianixor | Penix: and I already thought of doing that drag thing before I come asking, nothing happens, the only thing is right clicking |
| 02:57.14 | martianixor | Penix: and it gives no option related to the issue |
| 02:57.32 | Penix | hmm. no idea, sorry. lunch break's over. gotta go |
| 02:57.33 | Penix | good luck |
| 02:57.39 | Winkie | martianixor: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:57.50 | martianixor | I thought I'll right click on gvim I'll find something like enable menubar |
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| 02:58.03 | martianixor | Winkie: just want gvims menubar back ! |
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| 02:58.35 | Winkie | martianixor: ah, that's a tricky one :o |
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| 02:58.50 | Winkie | martianixor: you could clear out your gvim config files and start fresh, but let me have a look for you |
| 02:58.54 | martianixor | Winkie: yeah very weird !! I don't understand how the heck it happened |
| 02:58.56 | rhineheart_m | is it true that debian is difficult to install thatn ubuntu? |
| 02:59.22 | Winkie | rhineheart_m: it depends on your competency level, debian's installer is much less intuitive than the one in ubuntu, but the questions it asks are easy |
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| 03:00.06 | LaptopBrain | dondelelcaro: found the issue |
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| 03:00.08 | rhineheart_m | Winkie, so what's your point? It is really true? |
| 03:00.10 | LaptopBrain | (i think) |
| 03:00.12 | dondelelcaro | Riotblade: it definetly works, but the problem is that iceweasel preloads it's own libraries, so it won't preload yours |
| 03:00.16 | LaptopBrain | bad disklabel written to the disk by cfdisk :/ |
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| 03:00.32 | Winkie | rhineheart_m: in a way yes, again it depends on the user |
| 03:00.37 | Winkie | martianixor: what does :set guioptions return? |
| 03:01.07 | Winkie | (try :set guioptions+=m) |
| 03:01.12 | martianixor | Winkie: m is there, I even tried set guioptions+=m but it didn't bring the menubar back |
| 03:01.13 | rhineheart_m | Winkie, which is more secured? Just asking... out of my curiosity.. |
| 03:01.17 | Winkie | :o |
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| 03:01.28 | martianixor | Winkie: that's why I said it's weird |
| 03:01.40 | Winkie | rhineheart_m: it's hard to say objectively, you're likely to have less packages installed by default in debian but they are both quite secure |
| 03:01.51 | Winkie | rhineheart_m: there are issues of release schedules to consider in security also |
| 03:02.06 | Winkie | martianixor: that is very strange, i assume this persists after killing and restarting gvim? |
| 03:02.43 | martianixor | Winkie: how do you reload the configuration? any other way than removing config files, I tried :reload :reset but not of'em exists |
| 03:03.07 | Winkie | martianixor: before you do that, please check the contents of .gnome2/Vim in your home directory |
| 03:03.13 | martianixor | Winkie: yes it's very persistent |
| 03:03.18 | rhineheart_m | Winkie, okay a link please where to download debian.. I want to give it a try.. I have ubuntu server up actually.. I will make debian too for a server... |
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| 03:03.25 | Winkie | hmm actually nevermind |
| 03:03.27 | martianixor | Winkie: will do |
| 03:03.29 | Winkie | rhineheart_m: http://debian.org :) |
| 03:03.34 | rom | hi |
| 03:03.35 | Winkie | martianixor: don't bother, i don't appear to have it |
| 03:03.42 | Winkie | martianixor: see http://www.daveingram.me.uk/blog/2007/11/13/gvim-irriration/ |
| 03:03.53 | rom | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=468905 I really don't understand this decision of removing ksynaptics |
| 03:03.57 | rom | from the repositories |
| 03:03.57 | martianixor | Winkie: well I already did by the way, but I'll recheck just in case I can find something |
| 03:04.15 | Winkie | martianixor: oh, well i don't have .gnome2/Vim, but if you do that blog may help you |
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| 03:04.25 | rom | it worked very well, and "touchfreeze" doesn't do all what ksynaptics does |
| 03:04.36 | martianixor | Winkie: thanks so much for trying to help, it's greatly appreciated |
| 03:04.37 | rom | I can't configure my touchpad anymore |
| 03:04.38 | rom | :( |
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| 03:04.46 | martianixor | Penix: thanks for trying to help |
| 03:04.58 | Winkie | martianixor: no problems, i'm off to bed, hope you get it fixed |
| 03:05.00 | zeitsofas | good night @ all | gute nacht zusammen |
| 03:05.39 | dondelelcaro | rom: upstream and the maintainer requested it, so that's why it was removed. |
| 03:05.40 | martianixor | Winkie: sleep well, goodnight |
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| 03:06.55 | rhineheart_m | Winkie, what to install if m going to use it as a web server? |
| 03:08.13 | rom | but there is no software to remplace it |
| 03:08.13 | rom | it was very useful |
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| 03:08.14 | victo- | Is there a way to erase the list of commands I've entered into my shell so that if I hit my up key nothing is shown? |
| 03:08.31 | Winkie | thanks martianixor; rhineheart_m you should need apache or lighttpd, plus php if needed; victo- use history -c and remember to ensure your bash history file is removed |
| 03:08.31 | rom | rm ~/.bash_history |
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| 03:09.02 | rom | dondelelcaro: why do they remove the software if there is no remplacement? |
| 03:09.13 | martianixor | Winkie: hahaha it made it very obvious |
| 03:09.18 | martianixor | Winkie: I don't know how to thank you |
| 03:09.33 | dondelelcaro | rom: because touchefreeze is the replacement, and no one is going to support ksynaptics or qsynaptics |
| 03:09.36 | martianixor | Winkie: tell me how did you find the blog post? did you search using gvim menubar vanished |
| 03:09.54 | martianixor | Winkie: anyway I know you need to go to sleep, thanks again so much |
| 03:10.02 | rom | dondelelcaro: but I just tried touchfreeze |
| 03:10.07 | Winkie | martianixor: secret google trickery ;) ('gvim menubar', it's on the first page) |
| 03:10.09 | rom | it can't replace ksynaptics |
| 03:10.18 | rom | it only allow to disable touchpad when you type |
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| 03:10.36 | rom | but ksynaptics had a lot of options |
| 03:10.39 | mortal1 | does anyone here know how to run a gui program via ssh and have it show up on the screen of the remote computer? |
| 03:10.40 | dondelelcaro | rom: it may still not have all of the features, but that's what replaces it. |
| 03:10.48 | dondelelcaro | rom: if you want the other options set, it's synclient that does them. |
| 03:10.53 | Winkie | mortal1: log in through ssh with `ssh -X` |
| 03:10.58 | mortal1 | I'm trying DISPLAY=:0.0 but not currently getting anything |
| 03:11.06 | Winkie | mortal1: oh wiat the remote computer |
| 03:11.12 | Winkie | yes you're correct |
| 03:11.16 | rom | can I install ksynaptics anyway? |
| 03:11.23 | Winkie | you'll need to ensure that remains set, and you may need the appropriate x authority file |
| 03:11.29 | Winkie | anyway really going to bed now! |
| 03:11.31 | rom | it worked very well, even if it is not supproted anymore |
| 03:11.39 | rhineheart_m | why is this many? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 03:11.41 | martianixor | Winkie: I did search using gvim menubar but I didn't get the same results ! |
| 03:14.26 | rom | :'( |
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| 03:15.24 | victo- | rhineheart_m: it contains every package there is for an offline install, get the netinstaller instead |
| 03:15.42 | rom | dondelelcaro: where should I add SHMConfig "on" : http://pastebin.com/m2d2f174f |
| 03:15.52 | rom | on gutsy I had a section for touchpad |
| 03:16.00 | rom | but not anymore in hardy |
| 03:16.14 | dondelelcaro | rom: uh... this is #debian; we've got nothing to do with Ubuntu. |
| 03:16.51 | rom | debian don't have /etc/X11/xorg.Conf |
| 03:16.52 | rom | ? |
| 03:16.58 | martianixor | how in the world could any value inside that ini-like file get changed ! |
| 03:17.01 | rom | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.17 | dondelelcaro | rom: we don't have the same one that ubuntu does, no. |
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| 03:17.34 | dondelelcaro | rom: and this channel isn't for supporting Ubuntu anyway; ask #ubuntu, they'll know. |
| 03:17.54 | martianixor | I tried dragging the gvims menubar and the toolbar but I couldn't move both of them |
| 03:17.58 | Riotblade | dondelelcaro, so what's the workaround? I really need this |
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| 03:20.09 | dondelelcaro | Riotblade: stop all instances of firefox, and start firefox-bin directly with twinkle, setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH appropriately |
| 03:20.58 | mortal1 | root@OldLaptop:/home/linkzero# xhost + |
| 03:20.58 | mortal1 | xhost: unable to open display "" <-- do I need to tell it 0:0 or something? |
| 03:21.07 | dondelelcaro | !xhost |
| 03:21.07 | dpkg | i guess xhost is EVIL! Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie>, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about <sshx>, or <nolisten> if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh x11 forwarding instead. Use <sux> instead of su |
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| 03:21.17 | martianixor | dang, I hate when some change reminds me of security |
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| 03:21.58 | mortal1 | dondelelcaro: I'm just trying to run mplayer on a remote machine's X server via ssh |
| 03:22.05 | dondelelcaro | mortal1: so? |
| 03:22.16 | dondelelcaro | mortal1: all of what dpkg said still applies. |
| 03:22.31 | mortal1 | dondelelcaro: so how would I go about doing it the right way? |
| 03:22.32 | dondelelcaro | you shouldn't ever use xhost. |
| 03:22.35 | Decepticn | how do i start a process on computer startup with my username? |
| 03:22.38 | magyar | hi, what utility do i use to create a .jnl file ? |
| 03:22.56 | mortal1 | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to do this: DISPLAY=:0.0 mplayer The.Riches.S01E01.DSR.XviD-NoTV.avi |
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| 03:23.03 | dondelelcaro | mortal1: in this case, just su to the user who is running the X server and DISPLAY=":0.0" mplayer blahblahblah |
| 03:23.23 | mortal1 | so I need the "s |
| 03:23.34 | dondelelcaro | no, that doesn't really make a difference |
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| 03:23.43 | dondelelcaro | you just need to be the user who is running the X server. |
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| 03:23.55 | dondelelcaro | (which *hopefully* isn't root) |
| 03:24.49 | mortal1 | dondelelcaro: no |
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| 03:28.32 | LaptopBrain | what is lapack3? |
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| 03:29.21 | craigevil | LaptopBrain: lapack3 - library of linear algebra routines 3 |
| 03:29.30 | LaptopBrain | thanks |
| 03:29.45 | LaptopBrain | the installer whined about critical errors in its calculations and that its useless for maths |
| 03:29.45 | LaptopBrain | :p |
| 03:29.50 | Riotblade | dondelelcaro, I executed /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin directly using trickle but i'm getting the same effect |
| 03:29.54 | LaptopBrain | something about problems with ld.so on my architecture |
| 03:30.01 | dondelelcaro | Riotblade: what is the same effect? |
| 03:30.03 | Riotblade | my upload is limited at a weird 15 kB |
| 03:30.17 | Riotblade | same as if I "trickle -u 300 iceweasel" |
| 03:30.31 | dondelelcaro | uh... so it's working, but not at a speed that you expected |
| 03:30.35 | Riotblade | yeah |
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| 03:35.13 | dondelelcaro | Riotblade: and you've stoped all of the running firefox instances? |
| 03:35.31 | Riotblade | for this one user |
| 03:35.42 | Riotblade | do I have to completely kill all processes? |
| 03:35.48 | Riotblade | for everybody? |
| 03:35.51 | dondelelcaro | you have to stop all of the firefox ones |
| 03:35.54 | Riotblade | okay |
| 03:36.02 | dondelelcaro | (at least, for that user) |
| 03:36.26 | Riotblade | well, I did that for this user |
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| 03:36.58 | dondelelcaro | ok, and how exactly did you start firefox? with trickle -s -u 300? or with just trickle? |
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| 03:37.58 | dondelelcaro | (since if you didn't start with -s, you've started the daemon, and you'll need to use tricklectl to control it) |
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| 03:38.13 | dondelelcaro | has no clue what its defaults are |
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| 03:39.28 | Rusty1 | trickled.conf would tell ? |
| 03:39.50 | Riotblade | dondelelcaro, with "trickle -u 300" |
| 03:39.57 | Riotblade | not sure what -s does |
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| 03:41.15 | knightl | hi ppl. i want to remove KDE completly to free up some space for my knoppix system. i'm unsure which |
| 03:41.21 | knightl | packages would be safe to remove. any suggestions? |
| 03:41.26 | dondelelcaro | knightl: #knoppix will know |
| 03:41.42 | dondelelcaro | Riotblade: then you need to use tricklectl to adjust the daemon |
| 03:41.58 | knightl | i asked in #Knoppix no one is around. |
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| 03:42.25 | dondelelcaro | knightl: well, they're the people who would know. Perhaps try their mailing lists. |
| 03:42.37 | Riotblade | dondelelcaro, my man page says tricklectl is no use currently |
| 03:43.40 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; could be a bug. I really don't use it, so you're probably going to have to dig into it some more on your own. |
| 03:43.55 | dondelelcaro | I'd personally just stick tc on your router, but that's just me. |
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| 03:44.35 | Riotblade | well, it's a dedicated server and I dont wanna screw things up since it's unmanaged |
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| 03:45.09 | dondelelcaro | wait, why in the world are you running iceweasel on a dedicated server? |
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| 03:45.25 | Riotblade | I bought it specifically for uploading videos |
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| 03:50.02 | jones_513 | would it be hard to build a debian system from the ground up, without installing anything i dont need? |
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| 03:53.13 | liable | jones_513: not really. when you install, just dselect everything on the tasksel page |
| 03:53.23 | xingu | jones_513: not really, it's a good idea to haul in metapackages using aptitude so that the deps/suggests/recommends are also considered |
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| 03:54.11 | xingu | jones_513: it kind-of assumes that you'll have internet access for the lifecycle of the system concerned though - if you don't know you need something, you'll need a mechanism to install it two, five years down the track |
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| 03:59.55 | Arafangion | xingu: That's exactly why I like to use DVD's. |
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| 04:02.06 | xingu | Arafangion: shelf life of a dvd can be as low as 6-7y :) |
| 04:02.37 | xingu | Arafangion: keep it out of moisture, dust, U-V, and infrared |
| 04:02.55 | simonrvn | crap. i wish lookout express wasn't so fucking broken... makes exim choke |
| 04:03.08 | simonrvn | rejected after DATA: Syntax error in headers of remote message.: "@" or "." expected after "Undisclosed-Recipient": |
| 04:03.44 | Arafangion | xingu: If you're still using the exact same version of debian for that long, you're <censored> in the head. ;) |
| 04:04.04 | simonrvn | ....failing address ... <Undisclosed-Recipient:;> |
| 04:04.26 | simonrvn | "fucked"? |
| 04:05.16 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I believe in self censoring. |
| 04:05.26 | simonrvn | tries to run his stuff as standards compliant as possible... |
| 04:06.22 | phorce1 | simonrvn: That actually looks like it was probably a hacked up spam message |
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| 04:06.50 | simonrvn | phorce1: no, it's legit email coming from an OE user |
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| 04:06.58 | phorce1 | although /me has had real email from LookOut users cause fetchmail to barf |
| 04:07.18 | simonrvn | M$ coders don't seem to grok BNF |
| 04:07.47 | simonrvn | i even suggested the guy switch to thunderbird |
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| 04:08.29 | phorce1 | they're trying to hard to be "Exchange compliant" and Exchange, officially, isn't intended for use on the open Internet so it doesn't have to be standards compliant. |
| 04:08.44 | simonrvn | so now, instead of direct to me, he sends it to my gmail, but i forward it here... but google servers send it to me as-is... |
| 04:09.16 | simonrvn | exchange is, since it's internet facing |
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| 04:09.24 | simonrvn | (supposed to be) |
| 04:09.49 | phorce1 | I've just switched from Mahogany to IceDove. Only about 20 more email addresses to set up (IMAP) <sigh> |
| 04:10.46 | simonrvn | :( |
| 04:11.02 | simonrvn | never heard of mahogany |
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| 04:12.22 | phorce1 | Exchhange was designed as an interoffice communications tool meant to only talk to other exchange installations. M$, in its arrogance, (years ago) stated that the fact that it communicated with lesser mail servers at all was just a "bonus". It's not designed to be standards compliant but it can be beaten into submission. |
| 04:12.30 | simonrvn | i think after food, the first thing i'll get is a couple of ide drives... hopefully my "server" won't have to be rebooted before then ... |
| 04:12.53 | phorce1 | simonrvn: http://mahogany.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:13.18 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 04:13.59 | simonrvn | August 1, 2006 Finally a New Release |
| 04:14.02 | simonrvn | eek |
| 04:14.07 | phorce1 | Used to be in the Debian repositories but the packages weren't maintained and now it's a roll-your-own compilation that requires libraries that are a pain to maintain in anything other than Sdi |
| 04:14.17 | phorce1 | err s/sdi/sid/ |
| 04:14.39 | simonrvn | fun. |
| 04:14.54 | phorce1 | there are new releases in svn --- just not easy to keep up with. |
| 04:15.06 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 04:15.33 | phorce1 | It's the only other MUA I know of that really works correctly with IMAP besides TB/ID |
| 04:15.45 | simonrvn | tell me about it... i used to maintain a cvs version of openldap, and built .debs for it.... got painful quickly |
| 04:16.48 | phorce1 | Everything I find that claims IMAP compatibility wants to download local copies of every message. That's *NOT* IMAP! |
| 04:17.00 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I like Evolution, but I guess you need windows compatibility. |
| 04:17.15 | simonrvn | no i don't |
| 04:17.21 | simonrvn | i use mutt |
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| 04:18.03 | Arafangion | simonrvn: mutt works on windows! (Albiet via putty) |
| 04:18.12 | phorce1 | Arafangion: Neither do i now. I haven't actually flipped the KVM to my WinXP box in a couple of weeks now. I'm moving away from it again. |
| 04:18.32 | simonrvn | i don't care about win32 compat, i don't run it |
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| 04:19.35 | simonrvn | the only non-free os i've used on a regular basis is mac os 9 |
| 04:19.44 | simonrvn | ...and i moved away from that years ago |
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| 04:20.04 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Outside of work... the only non-free OS I've used on a regular basis is Palm OS. ;) |
| 04:20.19 | phorce1 | And, I tried Evolution a while back. When I set up an IMAP account it started downloading messages (all 50K+ messages in my subscribed folders). If a supposed IMAP client does that by default I delete it, even it's possible to configure it to NOT do that I don't want to have to clean up behind the bad default behavior. |
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| 04:20.43 | simonrvn | i was trying to fix some stupid winxp box the other day, and i felt lost without a console to diagnose the problem with it |
| 04:20.44 | Aleera | Can someone tell me how can I install macromedia flash for ice-weasel? |
| 04:20.53 | Arafangion | phorce1: It sucked a while back, but... evolution does let me sync with my pda. |
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| 04:21.12 | Aleera | wasn't it apt-get flashplugin-mozilla? |
| 04:21.23 | simonrvn | <-- total unix head |
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| 04:21.52 | simonrvn | flashplugin-nonfree, or gnash, or ... |
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| 04:22.00 | simonrvn | !tell Aleera -about search |
| 04:22.01 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I'm a linux guy, but at work I use windows Vista, which is simply /painful/. |
| 04:22.31 | simonrvn | Arafangion: :( |
| 04:22.32 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I have freedom to configure just about everything I like, /except/ the choice of platform, which minimizes the pain slightly - only slightly, mind you. |
| 04:22.44 | phorce1 | Arafangion: synch with your pd-what? |
| 04:22.44 | phorce1 | spent months searching for a cell phone that was NOTHING but a phone. Computers have 15" minimum screen size please. |
| 04:23.01 | simonrvn | that really sucks :( |
| 04:23.15 | Arafangion | phaidros: A palm pda, which explicitly does NOT have phone functionality. |
| 04:23.47 | simonrvn | phorce1: yeh really... i don't have a cell, but if ever i supposedly needed one that's what i'd be looking for |
| 04:24.06 | Arafangion | simonrvn: I work in a software group, and we have a very, very good business rationale for making me use win vista, mind you. Some devs use winXP, others use Vista - because we need to ensure that the machines the clients use work with our product. |
| 04:24.20 | phorce1 | Arafangion: note the 15" minimum screen requirement. I spend enough time in front of computers at work, I don't want one in my pocket. |
| 04:25.19 | simonrvn | Arafangion: that's just common sense; if you're doingstuff for a certain platform, you'll want to do that |
| 04:25.30 | Arafangion | phorce1: Note that I say "PDA", I don't say "palm-sized computer" - It's literally just something that has a bible on it, a legible screen (THe Palm T|X has a good screen), my calendar, and a spreadsheet listing my ten gazillion passwords. |
| 04:25.32 | phorce1 | has recently started hunting/camping again -- mainly because the places I go have no cell reception |
| 04:25.49 | simonrvn | waits for emacs-snapshot to finish compiling stuff |
| 04:25.58 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Indeed, which is one reason why I'm not asking to use a different platform, though I _do_ turn off UAC! |
| 04:26.21 | simonrvn | Arafangion: :) |
| 04:26.22 | Arafangion | simonrvn: We're "supposed" to have some dev machines with it on, and others off, but UAC (and TPM) is just /painful/. |
| 04:27.13 | simonrvn | that's one of the big turn offs for me, in the new computers, tpm crap |
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| 04:27.42 | Arafangion | Indeed, it is what makes the computer less of a _tool_, and more of a _media product_. |
| 04:28.01 | Arafangion | And when I want a computer, I just want a damn tool that lets me use it! |
| 04:28.08 | simonrvn | yeh exactly. sad, in some ways, maddening in others |
| 04:28.09 | phorce1 | "Are you SURE you wanted to click that button? Yes/No" ..... "Are you REALLY usre this is what you intended to do? Yes/No" ... "Well, if you're REALLY sure, please confirm. OK/Cancel" ... |
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| 04:28.20 | keithy | wow. how long has this been open? |
| 04:28.31 | keithy | can the bot tell me how long i've been logged in? |
| 04:28.40 | simonrvn | how long has what been open? |
| 04:28.49 | Arafangion | phorce1: Which got bypassed a while ago during the RTM phase, apparently - it used to be really easy to hack into vista machines using nothing but msn. ;) |
| 04:29.02 | simonrvn | logged in where? |
| 04:29.21 | keithy | xchat. logged into #debian |
| 04:29.30 | Arafangion | phorce1: But now, I've heard reports of programs emulating that screen to trick users into doing stupid stuff. |
| 04:29.37 | keithy | frequently loses xchat sessions |
| 04:29.46 | simonrvn | you just join a channel, you don't log in |
| 04:30.05 | keithy | right, right. now you're just arguin semantics |
| 04:30.20 | Arafangion | Well, you /can/ "join with a password", but only if the channel has one set, and few on freenode are. |
| 04:30.29 | keithy | fine |
| 04:30.37 | keithy | can the bot tell me how long i've been sitting in this channel? |
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| 04:30.51 | phorce1 | keithy: Your xchat may have a record -- or you can at least scroll back in the buffer and see how far it goes. |
| 04:30.58 | simonrvn | not jst semantics, but anyway... /lastlog yourself (though that probably doesn't exist in xchat) |
| 04:31.10 | simonrvn | that ^^^ |
| 04:31.12 | Arafangion | xchat has a buffer size limit. |
| 04:31.33 | keithy | yah... it does |
| 04:31.49 | simonrvn | i suppose you could go by how long this xchat process has been running |
| 04:31.57 | keithy | good idea |
| 04:32.14 | simonrvn | ps uxw |
| 04:32.23 | keithy | .... march 22nd |
| 04:32.27 | Arafangion | is thinking "Why the heck does someone care about how long ago they joined a channel?" |
| 04:32.46 | simonrvn | a week, by my clock |
| 04:32.53 | phorce1 | my irssi appears to keep about 24 hours for #debian -- probably a whole lot more for #linuxtv and #kaffeine |
| 04:33.01 | Presently42 | Hello. I have altered the /etc/hdparm.conf to reflect the values I use, but, at boot, says this: http://pastebin.ca/961757 where as I used all of the options during regular usage to great success. Any ideas? |
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| 04:36.31 | phorce1 | Nope, irssi appears to keep about 24 hours in the scrollback buffer regardless of the amount of traffic on a channel. |
| 04:37.28 | keithy | Presently42, is there an /etc/default/hdparm ? |
| 04:37.44 | simonrvn | Presently42: check syslog, the drive or hdparm are likely to whine about what it is there (and dmesg) |
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| 04:43.39 | Presently42 | keithy: There is a /etc/default/hdparm. It says this: http://pastebin.ca/961762 |
| 04:44.43 | Igneous | has slaved over a hot vim customising his openbox and conky, and wonders if anyone would like to see the fruits of his labor. |
| 04:44.50 | hackeron | hey, could someone please tell me how to forward port80 on ppp0 to port80 on 192.168.1.51 on eth0? -- currently, I'm doing this: http://rafb.net/p/dqCf6z26.html - but it's not working :( - What am I doing wrong? |
| 04:45.03 | Demosthenes | Igneous: ? |
| 04:45.09 | Igneous | Demosthenes: http://omploader.org/vZjY2 |
| 04:45.19 | keithy | Presently42, that's probably not related |
| 04:45.44 | Presently42 | keithy: So setting RAID_WORKAROUND=yes won't solve it? |
| 04:45.48 | keithy | doubtful |
| 04:45.49 | Demosthenes | Igneous: and? |
| 04:45.51 | keithy | and... that scares me |
| 04:46.06 | Presently42 | keithy: How so? |
| 04:46.17 | keithy | that hdparm will suspend a raid sync operation |
| 04:46.22 | Igneous | Demosthenes: hmm? nothing, I was just wondering if anyone wanted to see my screenie.. I thought you wanted to see it |
| 04:46.25 | Presently42 | Ah. |
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| 04:46.36 | Demosthenes | Igneous: i was curious about vim, conky and openbox |
| 04:46.39 | keithy | hackeron, if iptables is giving you trouble, you might want to take a look at firehol |
| 04:46.55 | hackeron | keithy: firehol doesn't use iptables? |
| 04:47.03 | Presently42 | keithy: But my disk isn't even raid, so this indeed should not affect it. |
| 04:47.27 | keithy | hackeron, yes, it does. but it's less confusing and error-prone |
| 04:47.32 | keithy | Presently42, correct |
| 04:47.33 | beardy | hackeron: Yes. |
| 04:47.47 | beardy | Firehol is nice indeed. |
| 04:48.02 | hackeron | keithy: I'd rather figure out what I'm doing wrong with iptables, thank you :) |
| 04:49.04 | simonrvn | scolds bad sed scripts in postinsts... |
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| 04:49.21 | keithy | hackeron, suit yourself :-D |
| 04:49.23 | Presently42 | What's this fro syslog Mar 29 00:22:12 Litwin kernel: Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
| 04:49.52 | simonrvn | just the scsi sub-system drivers needing updating |
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| 04:50.13 | simonrvn | it's no biggie |
| 04:50.22 | simonrvn | ..for you or i ;) |
| 04:51.19 | hackeron | keithy: for the same of argument how would I forward port 80 on ppp0 to 192.168.1.51:80 on eth0 with firehol? |
| 04:53.13 | keithy | well, assuming you had NAT setup already, you'd just need a firewall hole with "server http accept" and "dnat to 192.168.1.51:80 inface ppp0 proto tcp dport 80" or such |
| 04:54.12 | hackeron | keithy: no, there is no nat |
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| 04:54.21 | hackeron | keithy: I don't want nat |
| 04:55.01 | beardy | If you are passing something to another machine without a public ip address, that is what you have.. |
| 04:55.07 | keithy | ... |
| 04:55.14 | keithy | what's on the other end of your ppp0 interface? |
| 04:55.29 | beardy | And if it's ppp it is.. so.. bother. |
| 04:55.47 | Presently42 | Well, I can't find any hting in syslog that would indicate the cause of failure. |
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| 04:56.21 | hackeron | beardy: well, I guess, but I think in the contexts what I meant was I don't want any of the internal machines to see the internet |
| 04:56.40 | Presently42 | I'll try setting one option at a time and seeing which (if any don't) cause it to fail. I'll report my findings, if they are interesting. |
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| 04:57.36 | keithy | hackeron, you need NAT if you expect anything to reach a private network like 192.168.1.0/24 from the outside world |
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| 04:57.57 | hackeron | keithy: you mean ip masquerading? |
| 04:58.02 | keithy | yes |
| 04:58.07 | keithy | NAT=ip masq |
| 04:58.29 | hackeron | keithy: well, then the internal machines will be able to see the internet if the gateway is set? |
| 04:58.39 | keithy | depends on what you mean by "see" |
| 04:58.46 | hackeron | keithy: ping outside my local network |
| 04:58.59 | keithy | you can firewall the crap out of your nat box |
| 04:59.01 | keithy | using firehol |
| 04:59.02 | beardy | hackeron: Only if you allow it. |
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| 04:59.16 | hackeron | beardy: how do I do ip masquerading and not allow it? |
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| 04:59.55 | beardy | hackeron: Much more easily by using firehol if you don't know how to at the moment using iptables directly. |
| 05:00.14 | hackeron | beardy: lol, how would I do it with firehol? |
| 05:00.18 | beardy | hackeron: By just not routing packets out from your internal net. |
| 05:00.35 | beardy | hackeron: Read it's docs, it has good example configs. |
| 05:00.52 | beardy | hackeron: /usr/share/doc/firehol/examples |
| 05:01.15 | beardy | I don' |
| 05:01.23 | beardy | t get why you don't want to though. |
| 05:01.27 | keithy | hackeron, http://firehol.sourceforge.net/tutorial.html |
| 05:01.49 | hackeron | beardy: why I don't want to what? |
| 05:02.08 | beardy | hackeron: Let the machines being able to reach Internet. |
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| 05:02.55 | keithy | doesn't matter |
| 05:02.59 | hackeron | beardy: they are windows machines that have not been patched for years in a dental practice - I basically have a proxy on the linux server and let a couple of laptops go online with their hardware address |
| 05:03.07 | hackeron | I think what I'm going to do is just ssh port forwarding |
| 05:03.27 | keithy | hackeron, you can literally use firehol to make iptables refuse EVERYTHING |
| 05:03.32 | keithy | in and out |
| 05:03.38 | keithy | except the one port that you want open |
| 05:03.59 | hackeron | keithy: I don't want to stop any traffic coming in or out - I just don't want the server to be a gateway |
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| 05:04.19 | beardy | Make up your mind |
| 05:04.22 | keithy | hackeron, it has to route to forward a port |
| 05:04.29 | keithy | either it routes, or it doesn't |
| 05:04.31 | keithy | you can't have both |
| 05:04.55 | keithy | you DO want to block traffic |
| 05:05.00 | keithy | that will stop it from being a "gatway" |
| 05:05.02 | keithy | gatway |
| 05:05.31 | hackeron | keithy: I think I'll just use ssh port forwarding without routing |
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| 05:06.42 | keithy | whatever |
| 05:06.59 | keithy | i hope they're not paying you too much |
| 05:07.35 | hackeron | keithy: err, you're saying ssh port forwarding is a bad idea? |
| 05:07.50 | hackeron | keithy: and their not paying me at all, lol |
| 05:08.00 | keithy | nothing wrong with ssh port forwarding |
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| 05:08.28 | hackeron | keithy: so what's with the passive agressive comment? P) |
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| 05:09.16 | beardy | First time here? |
| 05:09.23 | keithy | lol |
| 05:09.36 | hackeron | keithy: if they were paying me I'd still rather do it this way than risk exposing the unprotected windows boxes to the outside world |
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| 05:09.59 | hackeron | windows boxes should not be online in a corporate environment period :) |
| 05:10.07 | keithy | you didn't even look at the firehol tutorial, did you? |
| 05:10.23 | hackeron | keithy: I did |
| 05:10.23 | beardy | !lol |
| 05:10.23 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 05:10.38 | hackeron | beardy: lol |
| 05:12.24 | Arafangion | beardy: dpkg really should just kick such users. :( |
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| 05:13.34 | hackeron | Arafangion: yeah, I totally agree |
| 05:13.41 | beardy | I believe in people bettering. |
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| 05:13.50 | beardy | or used to.. |
| 05:14.04 | Arafangion | beardy: It's not like they can't rejoin. |
| 05:14.29 | hackeron | beardy: so you got battered yourself, eh? |
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| 05:18.42 | beardy | Have to look that up to know if I was insulted or not. |
| 05:18.44 | hackeron | beardy: keithy: how does this look? http://rafb.net/p/GaImKI77.html |
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| 05:22.20 | beardy | hackeron: As I said, or thought of saying, I use firehol, I'm not fluent in iptables, at all. First thing I think when looking at that is that it does the opposite of what you wanted though. DROP? |
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| 05:23.08 | beardy | Or ah.. nevermind. |
| 05:23.48 | keithy | hackeron, it seems that neither of us speak iptables |
| 05:24.38 | keithy | because we, like many other people, iptables is confusing and not necessarily worth learning, and that firehol is an elegant solution to the problem |
| 05:24.49 | keithy | uh... put "decided" in there somewhere |
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| 05:44.06 | hackeron | keithy: beardy: ok, got it working with good ol iptables http://rafb.net/p/yg5JHL76.html - not sure how I would do this with firehol - it seems good for 99% of uses, but when you don't want a firewall and dont want masquerading but want nat for 1 single port I haven't seen an example of how to do that with firehol |
| 05:48.01 | beardy | hackeron: But.. it's not harder at all. Like in the example configs you have what you want, port forwarding, and what you don't want, forwarding/routing of packets from your LAN through the box out on Internet, you just remove. But oh well, good you got it working as you wanted it anyway. |
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| 05:49.38 | beardy | hackeron: Only thing I know of it doesn't do is ipv6. It also has a lot of protocols defined, that are a pin otherwise. Really have a look at it if you have to write a bigger firewall sometime. |
| 05:49.46 | beardy | pain |
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| 05:52.01 | hackeron | beardy: I'll definitely use it on a more typical configuration and try to get used to it - the reason I'm a bit reluctant is I used shorewall and some other one before that - everytime I learn a new firewall frontend they deprecate it, lol |
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| 06:00.40 | hackeron | oh, and mac filtering, fantastic :) - iptables -A FORWARD -m mac --mac-source 00:1D:60:CA:5E:28 -m state --state NEW,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
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| 06:10.33 | jaggy- | I shared a directory tree with nfs, and it's rw, and mounted rw, but I can't write to it from the client-side which mounted it |
| 06:12.40 | Decepticon | how can i stick scripts into some place like /etc/rc3.d/ but have them run as a specific username? |
| 06:12.48 | Decepticon | run on bootup |
| 06:14.14 | jaggy- | sudo or something within the script maybe? |
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| 06:17.02 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, how can I get a program to be executed on bootup. i.e. Xvnc? |
| 06:17.24 | beardy | !run at boot |
| 06:17.24 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 06:17.37 | ArtVandalae | thanks |
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| 06:17.56 | jaggy- | never knew about cron @reboot |
| 06:18.28 | jaggy- | nothing in man cron or crontab |
| 06:18.36 | beardy | Yes. There is. |
| 06:18.42 | beardy | jaggy-: man 5 crontab |
| 06:19.56 | ArtVandalae | That's great. @reboot is exactly what I needed |
| 06:20.08 | esaym | and blackberry tools in debian repos? |
| 06:20.11 | esaym | any* |
| 06:20.34 | beardy | esaym: /msg dpkg search |
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| 06:22.51 | beardy | ArtVandalae: You're welcome. |
| 06:23.31 | arussel | I installed a package for wifi realtek driver but can't remember the name (it wasn't ndiswrapper), and need to reinstall it because of kernel upgrade. |
| 06:23.39 | arussel | anyone has a hint ? |
| 06:24.09 | N3tw0rK | know the chipset.....? |
| 06:24.30 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 06:24.30 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p" |
| 06:24.40 | beardy | that | grep rt | less |
| 06:25.05 | beardy | rtl perhaps |
| 06:25.59 | beardy | or anything else you'd guess of the name, or search package descriptions for the chipset yes. |
| 06:28.29 | arussel | can't find it. Maybe I installed it from source. Isn't there a oss sourceforge project that would do. I got rt61 module running atm. |
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| 06:30.10 | ArtVandalae | So, when a service in /etc/init.d is started, who is the owner of the daemon/program running? |
| 06:30.35 | Guerin | depends |
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| 06:32.02 | arussel | got it, it was serialmonkey |
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| 06:33.08 | ArtVandalae | Guerin, depends. I'm just wondering for security purposes. |
| 06:34.04 | Guerin | ArtVandalae: find out what user your particular service wants to run as. |
| 06:35.50 | ArtVandalae | Okay, sshd for example is running as root. That doesn't seem like a good idea to me. I mean, if there was an exploit in the SSH client, they could execute any code as root? |
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| 06:36.26 | Guerin | security seems simple, but it's not, really |
| 06:36.36 | N3tw0rK | lights out day |
| 06:36.42 | Guerin | ssh needs to run as root for a number of reasons |
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| 06:37.56 | Guerin | generally speaking, deamons which are potentially harmful when exploited hand-off privileges to another user at launch. Examples include apache. |
| 06:38.09 | Guerin | this is why I say `depends' |
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| 06:39.18 | Guerin | ArtVandalae: if you're concerned about a particular daemon running as root, find out why it does, and why it doesn't run as another user. But please don't worry yourself with hypotheticals like `what if daemonx is insecure' - it'll get you nowhere. |
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| 06:40.28 | ArtVandalae | alright thanks for the advice Guerin |
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| 06:43.43 | Arafangion | Most people don't understand what "secure" means. |
| 06:45.28 | arussel | How can I get info on a running module ? |
| 06:45.51 | Arafangion | A running "module"? |
| 06:46.02 | arussel | Arafangion: kernel module |
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| 06:47.28 | Arafangion | arussel: The various mod* programs, dmesg, and /proc |
| 06:47.55 | smoke_ | hi sorry im new to debian but what is the debian packaging app ? |
| 06:48.23 | ArtVandalae | smoke_, packaging? for making packages, or installing them? |
| 06:48.29 | smoke_ | installing them |
| 06:48.39 | ArtVandalae | dpkg -i |
| 06:48.45 | smoke_ | ah k thanks |
| 06:48.45 | ArtVandalae | you can also use aptitude |
| 06:49.13 | ArtVandalae | "dpkg -i some_package_you_downloaded.deb" |
| 06:49.19 | smoke_ | is there a site for deb package repository? |
| 06:49.31 | arussel | Arafangion: I have done man modprobe, and man lsmod but can't find what I want. I am looking for module maintener, built time, ... a bit like aptitude show or info. |
| 06:50.53 | ArtVandalae | smoke_, use "aptitude install <package name>" to install <package name> you can see what packages are available using http://packages.debian.org or use aptitude search, but that requires a bit more work |
| 06:51.08 | smoke_ | k |
| 06:51.10 | ArtVandalae | aptitude will retrieve/install from the debian repos defined in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:51.18 | Arafangion | arussel: You probably need the source or build history for that. |
| 06:51.19 | smoke_ | aptitude search is text right? so i can grep it? |
| 06:51.27 | smoke_ | well nm |
| 06:51.32 | smoke_ | i dont need to ill just mess with it thanks |
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| 06:54.12 | simpletron | hi all |
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| 06:55.41 | smoke_ | how do i display what architecture this machine is running on? |
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| 06:56.05 | hoodlum | uname -a |
| 06:56.06 | smoke_ | im connected to a new vps and im not too sure ... im pretty sure its x86 but maybe amd64? |
| 06:56.06 | Caelum | smoke_: uname -a |
| 06:56.07 | smoke_ | thanks |
| 06:56.14 | simpletron | i will buy a thinkpad laptop and i dont decide between the T60 and T61 |
| 06:57.00 | ArtVandalae | I've worked with both. T61 is widescreen... but the build doesn't feel as good as the T60s |
| 06:57.21 | simpletron | ok |
| 06:58.09 | simpletron | and which is mor compatible with linux? T60 or T61 |
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| 07:00.01 | ArtVandalae | I've tried Video/ethernet on both, they both work. As for sound/wireless, and I think some of the T60s come with fingerprint readers... I've never tried these features |
| 07:00.26 | simpletron | ok thanks |
| 07:00.47 | smoke_ | aptitude fulfills dependencies? |
| 07:00.52 | ArtVandalae | yep |
| 07:01.28 | amphi | simpletron: the fingerprint reader on thinkpads is supported, but it is quite useless IMHO |
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| 07:02.15 | simpletron | ok |
| 07:04.22 | amphi | simpletron: thinkwiki.org has much useful info |
| 07:06.05 | simpletron | thanks i will read the webpage |
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| 07:14.08 | iunixan | hi, how to decompile .chm files? |
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| 07:16.54 | Arafangion | iunixan: Look for a .chm decompiler. |
| 07:17.35 | Caelum | it's just html |
| 07:17.46 | Caelum | zipped I think |
| 07:20.24 | liable | hmm, signed release file seems to be borken atm. |
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| 07:24.25 | Supaplex | oh this is fun. all sorts of busticating while installing packages, and the machine DIES |
| 07:25.35 | Supaplex | apt-get install --reinstalls a few deps |
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| 07:29.59 | smoke_ | how do i populate/config the source.list.d directory in /etc/apt? |
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| 07:30.24 | Supaplex | same as sources.list, but files have to end in .list |
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| 07:31.24 | smoke_ | err how do i setup a sources.list file |
| 07:32.02 | Supaplex | !tell smoke_ -about sources.list |
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| 07:33.09 | smoke_ | thanks |
| 07:34.17 | Supaplex | np |
| 07:35.17 | smoke_ | nice thanks alot heh man im terrible |
| 07:35.33 | smoke_ | apt only does binary installations only? |
| 07:35.51 | smoke_ | or is it like portage type system you can download/compile the source also? |
| 07:36.16 | cahoot | you can install src - there is an apt howto |
| 07:37.00 | Penix | smoke_: apt-get -b source <package> |
| 07:37.11 | Penix | smoke_: or apt-build |
| 07:37.20 | smoke_ | ah cool k thanks |
| 07:37.23 | cahoot | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ |
| 07:37.29 | Penix | smoke_: but apt-get -b is just gonna give you the exact same package as the official binary |
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| 07:37.49 | Supaplex | otherwise file a FTBFS bug :P |
| 07:37.57 | Penix | heh |
| 07:37.59 | Supaplex | provided user error isn't the cause |
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| 07:38.05 | Penix | always assume it is ;) |
| 07:38.16 | Supaplex | "oh noes, I didn't install deps, but it won't build!" |
| 07:38.32 | Penix | debain is teh sux |
| 07:38.34 | smoke_ | hmm thats nice, debian seems like a good distro |
| 07:38.39 | smoke_ | alot of my friends used to tell me it sucked |
| 07:38.45 | Penix | smoke_: don't listen to them |
| 07:38.51 | Penix | try it and you'll see for yourself |
| 07:38.54 | smoke_ | yeah, its just all opinion |
| 07:39.04 | smoke_ | isnt ubuntu like a simpler version of debian? |
| 07:39.09 | Penix | !ubuntu |
| 07:39.10 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 07:39.25 | Penix | smoke_: also see /msg dpkg based on |
| 07:39.42 | Supaplex | or like a busticated version haha |
| 07:39.47 | smoke_ | yeah ... |
| 07:40.03 | smoke_ | i used to use slackware, then i switched to gentoo because i was sick of manual configuring everything |
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| 07:40.08 | Supaplex | it's like testing, but with less stability than sid |
| 07:40.09 | smoke_ | too much work to update and such |
| 07:40.28 | Penix | slackware was the last distro I used before Debian |
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| 07:40.39 | ectospasm | slackware is great. gentoo is greater. But only as learning tools |
| 07:40.40 | Supaplex | redsplat here |
| 07:40.40 | Penix | ....7 years ago or something IIRC |
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| 07:41.07 | Supaplex | but hey, redsplat got me hooked on linux :) it was an okay start |
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| 07:41.29 | Supaplex | cept for dependency hell nightmares. I still wake up in the middle of the night screaming at rpm --force -i |
| 07:41.49 | ectospasm | ahhh, RPM hell |
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| 07:41.58 | Penix | RH 7.0 must've been the last RPM based distro I used. no yum or anything back then |
| 07:42.10 | ectospasm | only thing worse was Slackware's tar.gz hell |
| 07:42.20 | ectospasm | "What package provides blah.h?" |
| 07:42.30 | ectospasm | And this was before Google arrived on the scene... |
| 07:42.42 | cahoot | 'The musings of battered veterans' |
| 07:43.57 | Arafangion | At least slack's pkg system didn't corrupt every second time you tried to use the damn dep system. |
| 07:44.00 | Supaplex | dpkg: I <3 you |
| 07:44.04 | hoodlum | <3 |
| 07:44.15 | Penix | Arafangion: what dependency system? |
| 07:44.31 | Penix | that was the biggest problem with their 'package format' |
| 07:44.32 | Arafangion | was a MDK user, back when they couldn't even get the internal system libraries consistent. |
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| 07:45.00 | Arafangion | Penix: Ahh, yeah, a bad choice of words. ;) |
| 07:45.17 | Penix | heh. I remember lusting after Mandrake's KDE 2.x setup |
| 07:45.41 | Arafangion | I wanted to get KDE 4, so I installed Suse, only to find out it's a rebadged KDE3, and buggy as hell. |
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| 07:45.58 | Penix | KDE 4 isn't ready for primetime anyway |
| 07:46.02 | Penix | 4.0 that is |
| 07:47.12 | Arafangion | I'm torn between Gnome, and E17 - the advantage of the former being that I already have it, it's setup with somewhat sensible defaults, etc, but E17 is just damn sexy. |
| 07:47.30 | Penix | E17 *was* a lot sexier years ago |
| 07:47.40 | Penix | I'm using both on different systems |
| 07:47.43 | Arafangion | Yeah, whatever happened to Emotion? :( |
| 07:48.01 | Tr0gd0r | anyone know if there is a prebuilt 1000 hz kernel in one of the debian repos? |
| 07:48.25 | Arafangion | Tr0gd0r: That's awfully specific, why don't you just compile it? |
| 07:48.59 | maligor | E17 is useless, it just looks shiny at first :P |
| 07:49.18 | Tr0gd0r | Arafangion i tried and got a kernel panic on the next boot |
| 07:49.32 | Arafangion | Tr0gd0r: So configure your bootloader properly. |
| 07:49.34 | smoke_ | i dont know if this is off subject, but if i were to make a symbolic link of a directory in my document root for apache is that bad for security? or will it even work? |
| 07:49.52 | Penix | smoke_: it'll work if it's not chrooted |
| 07:50.12 | Tr0gd0r | Arafangion the boot loader loaded it properly, it paniced later |
| 07:50.17 | Guerin | smoke_: it might work, depending on permissions and your apache settings. It's not a major security issue, excluding obvious things. |
| 07:50.25 | Penix | if all you did is change the timer resolution, you shouldn't get a panic |
| 07:50.41 | Tr0gd0r | Penix where is the old config file in debian? |
| 07:50.47 | Penix | Tr0gd0r: /boot |
| 07:51.16 | Tr0gd0r | I didnt use the old config before ill retry to compile it |
| 07:51.17 | simonrvn | anyone running sid here that can paste me their /etc/lsb-release file in /msg ? TIA |
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| 07:53.21 | Supaplex | cat: /var/lib/vservers/sid-dev/etc/lsb-release: No such file or directory |
| 07:53.25 | Supaplex | darn :) |
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| 07:56.20 | Supaplex | simonrvn: I've checked all my sid boxes. nothing there. |
| 07:56.35 | simonrvn | s'ok, thanks |
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| 07:57.49 | Penix | beardy: yeah, that's part of it |
| 07:57.51 | Penix | bah |
| 07:59.04 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 08:05.22 | cammoblammo | I'm setting up a small network at home. I want each machine to use a remote /home directory. That means (AFAICS) using either Samba or NFS, or something like sshfs. |
| 08:05.34 | cammoblammo | Any clues which would be the most suited to my purpose? |
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| 08:06.45 | Guerin | cammoblammo: for coolness but bugs: sshfs. For integration with windows and major config headaches: samba. for general simplicity: nfs. |
| 08:07.23 | Guerin | 99% of people in here would go with nfs in a heartbeat because it's Just That Easy |
| 08:07.44 | cammoblammo | Guerin: Thanks. I'm not fussed about Windows machines. I'm familiar with sshfs. Is NFS really that easy? |
| 08:07.58 | hoodlum | samba is ok |
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| 08:08.17 | Guerin | it's 15 minutes work on a bad day |
| 08:08.30 | hoodlum | hehe |
| 08:08.48 | cammoblammo | Well that sounds dandy. |
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| 08:09.13 | cammoblammo | The client machines will be pretty low spec. Does that cause an ssue for any of them? |
| 08:09.23 | pmv | nfs ftw |
| 08:09.41 | Guerin | low-spec machines don't want to be doing everything over ssh |
| 08:09.57 | Guerin | NFS was designed when today's desktop was a supercomputer, so you figure it out |
| 08:10.15 | pmv | it has been around since the 1980's |
| 08:10.43 | Guerin | -> fishing |
| 08:10.52 | cammoblammo | Hmm, NFS it is then. |
| 08:11.47 | streuner | Guerin: Happy fishing |
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| 08:12.21 | beardy | Have fun Guerin. |
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| 08:19.33 | factor | I dont see any Debian kernels for above 2.6.24.1 and I am using sid. |
| 08:19.58 | factor | did Debian back port the secuirty patch from 2.6.24.3 |
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| 08:22.50 | Penix | factor: check the changelog |
| 08:22.58 | Penix | factor: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/current/changelog |
| 08:23.05 | factor | looks |
| 08:23.31 | Penix | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:24.56 | jim | what kernels does that affect? |
| 08:25.13 | factor | 2.6.16 ish 17 ish - 2.6.24.1 |
| 08:25.28 | factor | vmslice |
| 08:25.41 | jim | hmm I should consider patching |
| 08:25.44 | factor | just a local expolit not remote |
| 08:25.54 | boodie | Does anybody know about UML - do you think it's a useful approach?? |
| 08:25.54 | jim | how old? |
| 08:26.16 | jim | unified modeling language? |
| 08:26.21 | factor | I have used UML for general overview and helps but have not gotten to use it for actual writing of code |
| 08:26.24 | jim | the booch oop thing? |
| 08:26.26 | boodie | that's it |
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| 08:27.27 | tarzeau | my desktop looks old, but it's fast and i like it http://gnu.ethz.ch/amiwm.png |
| 08:28.56 | ectospasm | the machine I'm typing on is 4yrs old |
| 08:28.57 | boodie | Well, I'm not a programmer, but I am about to start a projectand I was thinking of having the staff involved taught UML, so that they could then pass the UML diagrams to a programmer |
| 08:29.00 | ectospasm | my laptop is 5 |
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| 08:29.24 | Penix | ectospasm: pfft |
| 08:29.36 | ectospasm | boodie: UML is very academic, IIRC |
| 08:29.39 | factor | says something about fixing vmsplice in 2.6.23 but I think it still roots this 2.6.24.1 |
| 08:29.45 | factor | let me try again |
| 08:30.15 | ectospasm | Penix: did I say this is my gaming rig (-; |
| 08:30.39 | Penix | ectospasm: my 'gaming rig' is about ten years old ;) |
| 08:30.52 | Penix | best games I've ever played |
| 08:31.41 | ectospasm | heh, I don't play games |
| 08:31.55 | factor | ahh just tried it yes it is fixed on this 2.6.24.1 |
| 08:31.59 | Penix | I just got a dual channel DDR system a few weeks ago. can I play with you cool kids now? |
| 08:32.05 | factor | so I guess the answer is yes |
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| 08:32.35 | ectospasm | I went to a LAN party tonight, got my ass handed to me in Brawl... My guess is none of the guys there are getting laid tonight... |
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| 08:32.41 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 08:32.44 | Penix | hah |
| 08:33.08 | ectospasm | ...not that that should be a goal, but just a hunch I had |
| 08:33.12 | Mazingaro | please, I saw that lenny repository has got 2.6.24-1 kernel, but there's no k7 version... |
| 08:33.23 | Penix | Mazingaro: you just use 686 now |
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| 08:33.44 | jim | ectospasm: sounds like a personal comparison to me... |
| 08:33.49 | Mazingaro | Penix: shall it work? |
| 08:33.54 | Penix | Mazingaro: yes |
| 08:33.56 | ectospasm | is fairly new to debian... |
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| 08:34.18 | ectospasm | is it considered a faux pas to build your own kernel, if you know how to do it? |
| 08:34.23 | jim | "they're so good, the only way they could be better than me is practice when they could be getting laid" |
| 08:34.33 | Penix | ectospasm: s/know how to do it/know how to support it yourself/ |
| 08:34.53 | jim | ectospasm: why not? |
| 08:35.09 | ectospasm | jim, I dunno, I'm just asking, but Penix makes a good point |
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| 08:42.31 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 08:46.15 | jim | ectospasm, I'm just saying you can if you want to... and debian has this script that builds and then packages the result |
| 08:46.49 | ectospasm | jim: good to know |
| 08:47.01 | ectospasm | I'm really liking Debian |
| 08:47.02 | Mazingaro | Penix: rebooting |
| 08:47.31 | jim | very handy, it's part of the build system which includes module building (for modules that have debian packaging stuff added) |
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| 09:06.29 | Mazingaro | Penix: I'm here again |
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| 09:06.45 | Mazingaro | Penix: Linux ATHLON800 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 14:37:45 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 09:25.49 | torr | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.14 | omry | do I need to run make-kpkg clean after I made some changes to the kernel options or will the make-kpkg build process work correctly? |
| 09:26.18 | jim | torr: debug waht |
| 09:26.24 | torr | c |
| 09:26.40 | jim | and how do you know you don't have the symbols |
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| 09:27.19 | torr | that's what ddd xxgdb say |
| 09:27.35 | jim | ok... so we'll assume that's true... |
| 09:27.42 | jim | next, why? |
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| 09:28.03 | torr | "(no debugging symbols found)" |
| 09:28.15 | torr | why what? |
| 09:28.41 | jim | in order to find any problem, it's very helpful to know what the problem is |
| 09:28.58 | jim | so |
| 09:29.07 | torr | I compiled like this |
| 09:29.12 | jim | you have to determine why it's doing that |
| 09:29.16 | torr | gcc -c sysutil.c -g -Wall -W -Wshadow -idirafter dummyinc |
| 09:29.40 | torr | and I open the debuger on the executable |
| 09:29.54 | torr | and it say "(no debugging symbols found)" |
| 09:30.08 | jim | ok, |
| 09:30.13 | torr | and I don't have any source visable |
| 09:30.17 | jim | do an ls -l on the executable |
| 09:30.44 | jim | and show that |
| 09:30.52 | jim | it should be one line |
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| 09:31.11 | torr | -rwxr-xr-x 1 torr torr 138844 2008-03-29 12:38 vsftpd |
| 09:31.58 | jim | ok, try compiling again, and do the ls -l again |
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| 09:32.50 | torr | -rwxr-xr-x 1 torr torr 138844 2008-03-29 12:49 vsftpd |
| 09:33.07 | torr | (I make clean too) |
| 09:34.26 | torr | does the link stage needs -g too? |
| 09:34.27 | jim | is the sysutil.o file in the dir? if so... let's see its ls -l |
| 09:35.06 | jim | I don't think so |
| 09:35.11 | torr | -rw-r--r-- 1 torr torr 85860 2008-03-29 12:49 sysutil. |
| 09:35.19 | torr | o |
| 09:36.00 | jim | ok, seems like you're doing everything right |
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| 09:36.57 | torr | jim, is there some libraray that I maybe missing that is requiered for debuging? |
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| 09:37.50 | jim | when you're getting the executable into gdb, what dir does it come from |
| 09:38.19 | torr | jim - someone in #c suggested that I strip the binary |
| 09:38.41 | jim | if you strip it you lose the symbol table |
| 09:39.01 | jim | weird. who told you that? |
| 09:39.57 | torr | tonacatecuhtli> did |
| 09:40.36 | torr | and apparantly he was right, I removed the -Wl,-s, and now i see the source |
| 09:40.40 | jim | maybe it's worth a try... after all, if you strip it and it doesn't work, you can rebuild |
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| 09:42.49 | jim | wait, did you strip it? or did you rebuild without those options? |
| 09:45.00 | iunixan | does core duo processors support xen full virtualization? |
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| 09:45.40 | jim | you would test /proc/cpuinfo for a particular flag |
| 09:46.04 | iunixan | jim, which flag? |
| 09:46.16 | jim | don't remember... it says in the docs |
| 09:46.29 | torr | jim |
| 09:46.30 | iunixan | jim, thanks! |
| 09:46.30 | Eulex | iunixan, I suppose it's intel vt that is needed= |
| 09:46.33 | Eulex | ? |
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| 09:46.47 | torr | jim - I removed these flags now, make clean;make |
| 09:46.56 | torr | jim, and now I see the source in gdb |
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| 09:47.03 | jim | after doing that, did you strip the executable? |
| 09:47.17 | torr | yet my breakpoint don't work |
| 09:48.24 | jim | could you run (not ls -l but) file on the executable? |
| 09:48.34 | torr | jim - i guess I did, i don't know how exactly it is done or what it means to strip the exe just that someone in #c said so |
| 09:49.05 | Arafangion | You want -ggdb. |
| 09:49.13 | Eulex | torr, to 'strip' means to remove symbols. |
| 09:49.15 | Arafangion | To build with debugging symbols. |
| 09:49.25 | Arafangion | If you're debugging, you do /not/ want to strip. |
| 09:49.31 | jim | -g is not sufficient? |
| 09:49.38 | Arafangion | jim: Not sure. |
| 09:49.41 | Eulex | -g is sufficient. |
| 09:49.49 | Arafangion | Cool, I always used -ggdb. |
| 09:50.01 | Eulex | at least I never had any problem with -g |
| 09:50.32 | torr | my break point doesn't break with ddd |
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| 09:51.00 | jim | try break main |
| 09:51.14 | torr | if a program have signal handlers does it mess up with gdb? |
| 09:51.16 | jim | just to see if any breakpoint works |
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| 09:52.48 | torr | I did, it work |
| 09:52.53 | torr | trying to step |
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| 09:54.09 | jim | torr: could you run "file (yourexecutablehere)" |
| 09:54.52 | torr | vsftpd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, not stripped |
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| 09:55.54 | jim | ok... cool. |
| 09:56.02 | jim | use gdb much before? |
| 09:56.07 | torr | no |
| 09:56.14 | torr | ddd |
| 09:56.26 | torr | but like 10 years ago |
| 09:56.27 | jim | used that much? |
| 09:56.32 | jim | oh, well... |
| 09:56.40 | jim | run gdb in a term |
| 09:56.46 | jim | type help |
| 09:57.12 | jim | get used to it |
| 09:57.20 | torr | that sounds excruciating |
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| 09:58.05 | jim | good luck with that :) |
| 09:58.29 | jim | meanwhile glad things worked out... |
| 09:59.10 | torr | jim thank you :) |
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| 10:00.23 | Arafangion | ddd's more useful than gdb when you're debugging data structures, otherwise I prefer gdb. |
| 10:01.07 | nickzxcv | can anybody else not reach lists.debian.org? |
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| 10:02.55 | factor | sucks that ddd is not c++ though |
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| 10:03.02 | factor | I love ddd for c stuff |
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| 10:05.56 | simNIX | greetings |
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| 10:08.48 | nickzxcv | hmm, and teams.debian.net is down in probably the same subnet as liszt.debian.org |
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| 10:17.41 | lithophyte | why is the locales package trying to generate every locale? I only want one or two |
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| 10:18.27 | esteel | dpkg-reconfigure locales.. its asking me what locals i want.. or all.. |
| 10:19.51 | lithophyte | I'm just trying to install the package |
| 10:20.27 | lithophyte | it doesn't let me choose it goes straight into gen |
| 10:20.36 | lithophyte | I know I chose just one locale the first time |
| 10:20.46 | valdyn | lithophyte: why are you trying to install it, considering its on any debian system by default? |
| 10:20.50 | esteel | no idea then at the moment.. |
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| 10:24.09 | lithophyte | aptitude has minesweeper :) |
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| 10:24.42 | lithophyte | builtin I mean |
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| 10:25.23 | nkuttler | bloat... |
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| 10:29.10 | lithophyte | where are package options stored |
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| 10:32.05 | nkuttler | lithophyte: you should use dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 10:38.57 | lithophyte | got it |
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| 10:45.00 | omry | I am upgrading my kernel from 2.6.17 to 2.6.24 (custom) and the new kernel wont find my sata drives. I complied support for my sata chip as a module. is the new kernel supposed to load the sata module automatically? |
| 10:45.39 | omry | if not, what is the right way to tell it to load it? /etc/modules ? |
| 10:46.16 | nkuttler | omry: your kernel probably needs them at boot time. either compile them in or use a initrd |
| 10:46.35 | omry | nkuttler, I am booting from an ATA drive, so it does boot. |
| 10:46.46 | omry | nkuttler, they wont compile in (there in no such option) |
| 10:47.21 | omry | am I am using an initrd image. |
| 10:47.35 | omry | s/am/and |
| 10:48.42 | omry | ah, figured out how to compile them in.. I need to compile the top level menu in first. |
| 10:48.44 | omry | will try. |
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| 10:49.19 | Crissi | hello |
| 10:49.55 | omry | nkuttler, when recompiling the kernel using make-kpkg, should I clean first? |
| 10:50.01 | Crissi | i want to know where is a repository for etch which includes python2.3 (i had ask on clt, but i forget the name) |
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| 10:51.20 | nkuttler | omry: don't think so |
| 10:51.44 | omry | nkuttler, alright thanks. |
| 10:51.46 | dondelelcaro | Crissi: etch didn't ship with it at all and the python package replaces it. |
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| 10:52.37 | nkuttler | omry: ah, your box boots. can't you just modprobe the modules and mount the drive? |
| 10:52.55 | omry | nkuttler, I probably could. but it didn't sound right |
| 10:53.13 | Crissi | dondelelcaro: i know, i ask for an extra repo, i need 2.3 |
| 10:53.13 | nkuttler | omry: nah, it's fine. add them to /etc/modules |
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| 10:53.29 | Masqy | Hi All, Just moved back to debian, after two years of Ubuntu. The Default driver for my Wifi (Inter 3945) is iwlwifi, for some reason, when I try to load it, I get this" Microcode Error" message. (Using Lenny, after apt-get iwlwifi-firmware + modprobe iwl3945 + ifconfig wlan0 up + iwlist wlan0 scan) |
| 10:53.34 | omry | nkuttler, ah. it didn't sound right because /etc/modules is shared by all kernels. |
| 10:53.40 | Masqy | AAny suggestions? |
| 10:53.50 | omry | and my current kernel does not have that module. |
| 10:54.10 | omry | trying with the sata compiled in. |
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| 10:56.53 | ohnose | what sort of scam is the testing distribution? am I forced using an iceweasel with severe security holes, while unstable has the fixed one? |
| 10:57.17 | ohnose | probably using testing doesn't have any point for end users |
| 10:57.21 | Masqy | Alternatively, when I try to compile ipw3945, I get error: /usr/src/modules/ipw3945/ipw3945.c:16594: error: implicit declaration of function âSET_MODULE_OWNERâ |
| 10:57.34 | Crissi | no ideas for python2.3? |
| 10:57.55 | Masqy | Also: What is the Kernel in current testing? |
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| 10:58.42 | mosty | ohnose, correct. end users should not be running testing |
| 10:59.07 | ohnose | mosty: is unstable recommended then? (for reasonably up-to-date software) |
| 10:59.34 | Penix | ohnose: no |
| 10:59.47 | ohnose | but stable is too old :/ |
| 10:59.49 | Penix | Masqy: search packages.debian.org |
| 10:59.52 | mosty | ohnose, unstable is only recommended for power users, who know how to fix breakage |
| 10:59.53 | Penix | ohnose: use backports |
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| 11:00.22 | mosty | ohnose, stable is meant to be stable (funny that), not bleeding edge |
| 11:00.25 | Rienzilla | stable is not insecure |
| 11:00.34 | Masqy | Penix; could you elaborate? I guess in my searches I looked there quite a lot. |
| 11:00.36 | ohnose | well I can fix breakages |
| 11:00.43 | Rienzilla | security holes in software packages are being fixed in stable |
| 11:00.47 | Rienzilla | continuously |
| 11:00.56 | ohnose | I just hoped "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" would give me security fixes as well |
| 11:01.06 | Penix | !info linux-source-2.6 lenny |
| 11:01.20 | Rienzilla | if you want a distribution which uses newer less tested software then use something else :) |
| 11:01.23 | Penix | bleh |
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| 11:01.53 | ohnose | so there's no point in testing (except for debian developers) and I should update to unstable, right? |
| 11:02.02 | delcoyote | hi |
| 11:02.04 | Penix | Masqy: search for linux-image and tell it to only look in the testing branch |
| 11:02.06 | Rienzilla | depends on what you want |
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| 11:02.13 | omry | nkuttler, no luck :( . the module did start, but outputed ata1: SATA link down (SStatus 0 SControl 0) |
| 11:02.13 | Guerin | ohnose: no. |
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| 11:02.19 | Rienzilla | if you want newer software i'd recommend not to run debian at all :) |
| 11:02.30 | Penix | ohnose: how did you come to that conclusion? |
| 11:02.41 | Guerin | ohnose: unstable is for devs. testing if for people who think stable is too old and are prepared to deal with breakage and poor security. |
| 11:02.53 | ohnose | in the last years, Debian was good enough, I'm only confused about unstable vs. testing |
| 11:03.04 | nkuttler | omry: no sata drives here, no clue |
| 11:03.11 | Penix | ohnose: unstable is unstable. packages trickle down to testing. testing becomes stable |
| 11:03.23 | omry | nkuttler, okay - thanks. I`ll ask Google. |
| 11:03.34 | mosty | ohnose, testing is a testbed for the next release, but it's not very wise to run it until it actually is the stable release |
| 11:03.55 | ohnose | Guerin: ok, no point in testing... doesn't include the newest releases (with security updates, like in iceweasel), while testing is just a week old unstable |
| 11:04.09 | Rienzilla | no testing is not a week old unstable |
| 11:04.18 | ohnose | or 10 days, sth. like that |
| 11:04.46 | mosty | ohnose, no |
| 11:05.12 | mosty | ohnose, packages in testing can go for months without being updated even if there are newer packages in unstable |
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| 11:05.52 | ohnose | so at least it seems better to run unstable than testing, ok, I'll change my sources.list |
| 11:06.00 | Penix | *sigh* |
| 11:06.04 | Penix | ohnose: don't ask us for help then |
| 11:06.29 | ohnose | Penix: is there an error in my conclusion? |
| 11:06.34 | Masqy | When I downloaded testing's dvd, a week ago, it installed my system with kernel 2.6.22-3, now I work on 2.6.24-1. Is that the recent kernel for lenny? |
| 11:06.35 | Penix | ohnose: yeah. lots |
| 11:06.49 | Penix | Masqy: yes |
| 11:07.06 | Penix | Masqy: you could've just easily looked it up on p.d.o like I said though. instead of rewording your question |
| 11:07.13 | ohnose | 2.6.24 doesn't work with my hardware while 2.6.23 does |
| 11:07.23 | Penix | ohnose: use 2.6.23 then |
| 11:07.38 | ohnose | obviously |
| 11:07.40 | mosty | ohnose, you can use any kernel you like, even on stable |
| 11:08.12 | ohnose | 2.6.22 doesn't run with my hardware either |
| 11:08.12 | enouf | ohnose: /msg dpkg releases |
| 11:08.39 | enouf | you seem thoroughly confused my son |
| 11:08.43 | Penix | indeed |
| 11:09.17 | ohnose | regarding testing, the first url says: "The main advantage of using this distribution is that it has more recent versions of software." |
| 11:09.27 | Penix | ohnose: and as a result, you'll deal with more bugs |
| 11:09.32 | ohnose | while for unstable: "Generally, this distribution is run by developers and those who like to live on the edge. " |
| 11:09.48 | ohnose | that implies testing is not so much on the edge, heh |
| 11:09.57 | Penix | ohnose: living on the edge meaning supporting yourself |
| 11:10.12 | enouf | ohnose: read http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ |
| 11:10.15 | Penix | it's your choice to use it, but don't ask us for help when it breaks |
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| 11:10.31 | Penix | !bts |
| 11:10.31 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 11:11.44 | ohnose | Penix: but I still don't get why you don't agree it's more secure etc. to run unstable than testing... both break, but testing has generally older packages, and even that link says "However, the majority of security fixes reach testing by migration from unstable." |
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| 11:12.00 | Penix | ohnose: because there's no dedicated security team for unstable |
| 11:12.31 | ohnose | but the one from testing doesn't seem to be very useful either |
| 11:13.34 | mosty | ohnose, packages only move from unstable to testing when there are no known bugs in the package. so a security fix may be present in unstable but if there are other bugs also present then testing will not get the update |
| 11:13.34 | Penix | if you don't like it, use stable. if you can put up with the issues that testing and unstable have, go for it. you'll just have to go it alone |
| 11:13.38 | piko | Hi,, I have problems not playing udp streams (vlc nor mplayer) while no stream seems to be present while it should be. It seems to me that I have some networking problems but even after disabling shorewall firewall I am not able to set up the connection. It is interesting that after starting tcpdump,the udp stream starts. |
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| 11:14.11 | piko | more precisely not playing video, but capturing the dump. Could anyone advise? |
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| 11:14.24 | ohnose | Penix: I'm ok with the breakage issues in unstable and testing, I was just asking which is better for an enduser |
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| 11:14.37 | Penix | ohnose: stable. since it works and works well |
| 11:14.42 | Penix | and is easy to support |
| 11:15.14 | Penix | ohnose: what's wrong with a stable installation with backports of the apps you want newer versions of |
| 11:15.17 | Penix | ? |
| 11:15.46 | mosty | ohnose, end users should only use stable |
| 11:15.49 | ohnose | actually, I prefer the breakages of testing/unstable, instead of having to deal with dozens of backports, which practically will replace large parts of the installed stable packages anyway, save for some core packages |
| 11:16.08 | Penix | ohnose: then go for it. just subscribe to the right mailing lists and hit the bts |
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| 11:16.38 | ohnose | sid then it is |
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| 11:16.43 | Penix | ohnose: we won't go out of our way to help you though, since you chose to go with it |
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| 11:17.55 | mosty | i'm looking for a way to boot from a usb drive on a laptop that does not appear to support this. could i somehow create a boot cd that has the correct kernel, and mounts the root fs on the usb drive? |
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| 11:18.10 | enouf | trollin trollin trollin |
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| 11:19.06 | ohnose | enouf: sorry, was that directed to me? |
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| 11:20.14 | enouf | don't be sorry, it's ok ;-) |
| 11:20.33 | Masqy | Hi all, I must have Done Something Wrong ®, since I now use kernel 2.6.24-1 on lenny, whilst the official is 2.6.22-3, how could it be? In my sources I only got leeny main contrib non-free options, I used aptitude to install the 2.6.24-1 kernel. Ideas? |
| 11:21.28 | Penix | !info linux-image-2.6-486 testing |
| 11:21.39 | ohnose | Masqy: generally, it will be enough to edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:21.40 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-486: (Linux 2.6 image on x86), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.24+13 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 11:21.53 | Penix | Masqy: ^^ |
| 11:22.14 | Penix | Masqy: like I said, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
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| 11:23.25 | enouf | ohnose: please don't try giving advice at first ... |
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| 11:23.35 | ohnose | enouf: what? |
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| 11:23.42 | enouf | Masqy: ignore that above comment from ohnose |
| 11:23.53 | ohnose | enouf: I'm not a troll, rather, you are |
| 11:24.15 | enouf | possible |
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| 11:24.37 | victo- | enouf isn't a troll, he's helped me a few times |
| 11:24.39 | ohnose | when the kernel is updated, only a new entry is added to menu.lst; the old kernel is still installed and configured in grub, so you just need to change the default boot choice |
| 11:24.48 | jarick | ohnose: Your ideas intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. |
| 11:24.48 | Masqy | Penix: so how come my version is 2.6.24-13? |
| 11:24.59 | Masqy | sorry, 2.6.24-1 instead of -14 |
| 11:25.06 | Masqy | grrr. -13 |
| 11:25.28 | ohnose | jarick and enouf try to counter troll, while I didn't intent to troll in the first place |
| 11:25.29 | ohnose | sigh |
| 11:25.33 | enouf | ohnose: Masqy is only asking how it's possible he obtained a newer kernel than what he thought was the latest for testing release |
| 11:25.43 | ohnose | oops |
| 11:25.46 | jarick | enouf: That's what I thought. |
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| 11:26.34 | Masqy | Well. frankly, I got really confused. The more I read about Debian, the less confident I feel about it :) I hope at one point things will get clearer. |
| 11:26.45 | salvin_ | openoffice and jdk work in sid? |
| 11:27.25 | salvin_ | the dist-upgrade wants remove them |
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| 11:28.14 | ohnose | salvin_: don't dist-upgrade them, welcome to unstable |
| 11:28.22 | ohnose | *then |
| 11:28.49 | ohnose | well well, at least you don't seem to get this kind of bogus dist-upgrades in testing |
| 11:28.50 | salvin_ | ohnose, i know unstable :) |
| 11:29.20 | Masqy | I'm not really bothered with what kernel I use, I do care about my wireless card which doesn't really seem to work.. (Intel 3945). Does anybody use it? The packages site says the latest is 2.6.24-13, how come I use 2.6.24-1. Could it be that Aptitude does not let me upgrade to this specific version (is it called 'dash version'?) |
| 11:29.43 | salvin_ | but sometimes i can reinstall a package after a dist-upgrade |
| 11:30.24 | enouf | !doesn't work |
| 11:30.24 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 11:31.36 | ohnose | salvin_: because of conflicting dependencies, which need to be fixed by the package maintainers first, or something like that |
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| 11:33.24 | DANNX | morning |
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| 11:33.32 | Arafangion | Evening. |
| 11:33.38 | ohcibi | hi folks.. does someone has an idea why i can execute this: "urxvt -name "cmus" -e screen -S cmus cmus" from the command-line but not as a script? |
| 11:33.42 | AlexJTanner | can I ask a quick question? |
| 11:33.42 | DANNX | jeje |
| 11:33.51 | AlexJTanner | what is an encrypted LVM |
| 11:34.20 | Arafangion | AlexJTanner: I would assume it's an LVM volume that's encrypted. |
| 11:34.43 | AlexJTanner | I am at the debian installer |
| 11:34.57 | enouf | !lvm |
| 11:34.58 | dpkg | lvm is, like, at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
| 11:35.50 | ohcibi | can someone even test it, if the command is executable as a script (replace cmus with some application, youve installed, it works with no command here) |
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| 11:38.45 | jhr-online | hi! i cannot boot with 2.6.24 (lenny) because: "cryptsetup: source device /dev/hda5 not found"... 2.6.18 works great. any ideas? |
| 11:38.57 | enouf | use .18 |
| 11:39.16 | jhr-online | haha |
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| 11:39.58 | enouf | jhr-online: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.24-xxxx |
| 11:41.14 | jhr-online | i already did... :-/ |
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| 11:41.52 | enouf | oh, maybe you have an hda vs sda issue |
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| 11:42.11 | jhr-online | how? |
| 11:42.14 | jhr-online | this is IDE |
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| 11:42.23 | enouf | libata changes |
| 11:42.30 | jhr-online | in which way? |
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| 11:43.23 | enouf | go check out kernelnewbies.org .. (all i'm saying is it's possible that's the issue, not necessarily though) |
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| 11:43.47 | jhr-online | i'll have a look at it... |
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| 11:45.46 | jhr-online | enouf: hmm... i don't think that's the right topic... |
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| 11:46.05 | jhr-online | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.16 | jhr-online | why should /dev/hda5 be missing in some way? |
| 11:46.42 | omry | is nvidia-glx missing from lenny? |
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| 11:47.28 | jhr-online | omry: http://packages.debian.org/nvidia-glx |
| 11:47.41 | jhr-online | yes |
| 11:48.18 | omry | jhr-online: damn.. so I am to use the nvidia installer directly on lenny? |
| 11:48.44 | jhr-online | i don't know, i don't have nvidia... maybe you could use it from sid? |
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| 11:48.52 | jhr-online | bus i REALLY don't know :) |
| 11:49.15 | omry | jhr-online: maybe.. |
| 11:49.16 | enouf | jhr-online: not sure, have a look at the changelog |
| 11:49.25 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-2.6_2.6.24-5/changelog |
| 11:49.31 | omry | jhr-online: what is the safe way to do that? |
| 11:49.52 | jhr-online | omry: there is no safe way... sid is unstable :) |
| 11:49.59 | enouf | your initrd might need some help or loving or rebuilding |
| 11:50.15 | omry | jhr-online: :), I mean. the way that will is not guarantied to crash somewhere down the road. |
| 11:50.17 | pabix | Hello, is there any way that I could initialize a SSH connection from the computer that I want to control? |
| 11:50.56 | jhr-online | enouf: i made a diff to 2.6.18's initrd... nothing interesting found |
| 11:50.58 | omry | jhr-online: the way the will not require work when I upgrade my kernel |
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| 11:51.24 | enouf | jhr-online: man cryptsetup? |
| 11:51.24 | jhr-online | omry: since i don't use it i really don't know a good solution for you |
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| 11:52.05 | omry | jhr-online: thanks. |
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| 11:52.09 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 11:52.13 | g00se | Any way to show currently-(user)defined bash functions? |
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| 11:52.25 | mosty | jhr-online, do you use initramfs? |
| 11:52.36 | Masqy | How can I upgrade the kernel version to the newest which appears in packages.debian.org for my lenny? |
| 11:52.40 | lkthomas | iscsi target is on, but my debain iscsi init can not discover my target, any idea ? |
| 11:52.42 | jhr-online | enouf: to look for what? :) |
| 11:52.58 | cizzi | is there a way for mutt to process html tages in the body of an email? or if not in mutt some other text based MDA? |
| 11:52.58 | jhr-online | mosty: mkinitramfs-kpkg i guess |
| 11:53.21 | mosty | jhr-online, so you get dropped to a busybox shell when it fails to complete booting? |
| 11:53.24 | jhr-online | Masqy: you have 2.6.22 and wnat to have 2.6.24? |
| 11:53.40 | enouf | you shouldn't need any of that |
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| 11:53.45 | jhr-online | mosty: he stops with "waiting for root fs" |
| 11:53.45 | enouf | with a debian kernel |
| 11:54.00 | enouf | mkinitramfs-kpkg is for building kernels |
| 11:54.07 | mosty | jhr-online, leave it for 5 minutes, you should get a busybox shell, where you can investigate further |
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| 11:54.32 | jhr-online | mosty: hmm...i could try that |
| 11:54.57 | enouf | (actualy for building an initrd, from a previously made kernel that was done with make-kpkg, but missing the --initrd option) |
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| 11:55.12 | enouf | so, go build ;-) |
| 11:55.24 | enouf | but do it correctly this time ;-0 |
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| 11:55.46 | jhr-online | enouf: when i reconfigure the linux-image it outputs: Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk. |
| 11:56.09 | jhr-online | it didn't build the kernel myself |
| 11:56.16 | jhr-online | s/it/i |
| 11:56.40 | mosty | jhr-online, at the busybox shell, look in /dev to see what other devices are in there, then try root=/dev/whateveryouthinkisthecorrectdevice when you reboot |
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| 11:57.21 | Masqy | jhr-online: I have 2.6.24-1 and I want 2.6.24-13 |
| 11:57.34 | mosty | Masqy, www.kernel.org |
| 11:57.49 | jhr-online | mosty: root is /dev/mapper/hostname-root |
| 11:58.06 | Masqy | mosty: Isn't there a package I can d/l with apt? |
| 11:58.08 | jhr-online | problem is: that's in hda5_crypt and its source device cannot be found |
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| 11:58.58 | mosty | jhr-online, ok then you probably need to fix the cryptsetup command in your initramfs scripts |
| 11:59.31 | jhr-online | but there is no change between 2.6.18 and 2.6.24... i checked that |
| 12:00.27 | mosty | jhr-online, run the command manually in the busybox shell, and go from there, you should find the error or at least a good error message that you can google |
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| 12:01.57 | jhr-online | mosty: i cannot get it in my head... |
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| 12:02.20 | mosty | jhr-online, eh? |
| 12:02.26 | jhr-online | cryptsetup works well and the commands the kernels are using are the same |
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| 12:02.41 | jhr-online | it's stupid somehow |
| 12:02.48 | jhr-online | it makes no sense to me |
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| 12:03.12 | mosty | jhr-online, the device names have probably changed somehow between the two kernels |
| 12:03.25 | mosty | or the udev scripts no longer work |
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| 12:03.36 | jhr-online | okay... when i wait 5 minutes i get a shell? |
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| 12:03.54 | jhr-online | and there i could check for /dev/hda is it's there? |
| 12:04.03 | jhr-online | right? |
| 12:04.08 | Inktjet | Does anyone know if there is some way to unencrypt .gpg files with a non debian tool (for osx or windows) ? |
| 12:04.21 | abrotman | ask #gnupg |
| 12:04.30 | abrotman | and yes there is |
| 12:04.44 | nkuttler | Inktjet: for os x just install gnupg |
| 12:04.45 | Inktjet | ok nice |
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| 12:05.05 | enouf | Masqy: i don't see any -13 |
| 12:05.15 | jhr-online | ...going to reboot... |
| 12:05.48 | mosty | jhr-online, in the busybox shell, run the sequence of commands required to mount your root fs on /root |
| 12:05.51 | Masqy | enouf: What is the latest you see there? |
| 12:05.52 | mosty | bah |
| 12:06.09 | enouf | -5 |
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| 12:14.09 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 12:14.54 | jhr-online | mosty: hda -> sda... /dev/disk/by-uuid and it works out... |
| 12:14.56 | jhr-online | thanks! |
| 12:14.56 | wfq | I am so worried about my firefox, it is literally eating my laptop's resources. I am using debian lenny |
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| 12:15.36 | wfq | the neary 90 % of memory and cpu is being eated by iceweasel |
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| 12:15.56 | tleilax | this site says dpkg is a porn bot? http://www.internetisseriousbusiness.com/ |
| 12:15.57 | netcrash | Hello, I have a apache server I'm trying to disable php for the home directories but the server doesn't accept removehandler even when I disable php in php5.conf commenting the addtype the server keeps interpreting php. Any tips ? Sugestions ? |
| 12:15.58 | wfq | I know firefox likes memory a lot but that has to be a bug, it is impossible |
| 12:16.30 | Penix | tleilax: it's a whatever-you-want-it-to-be bot |
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| 12:18.43 | wfq | does anyone have this problem please? |
| 12:18.57 | tleilax | the firefox-sucks issue? yes |
| 12:18.59 | Kauhsa | Agh, is there something wrong in sun-java6-jre/jdk/bin right now? |
| 12:18.59 | tleilax | I've ran into it |
| 12:19.03 | Arafangion | wfq: Firefox has been known to use many hundreds of MB of ram. |
| 12:19.14 | crashanddie | I'm trying to package commoncpp2 into a .deb for a special arch (within scratchbox, for armel), but when I use dpkg-buildpackage I only get a .deb that has the docs, nothing else... Any pointers ? |
| 12:19.28 | tleilax | firefox 3.0b4 is a significant improvement |
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| 12:19.52 | Arafangion | wfq: apparently the next version fo firefox3 could be better, have you considered giving the latest version a go, as well as the beta version of - yup, that what tleilax said. |
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| 12:20.23 | tleilax | but, really, you're probably visiting web 2.0 sites with 3mb of badly written javascript |
| 12:20.26 | tleilax | there's just nothing for it |
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| 12:21.14 | wfq | theilax, it could be that also |
| 12:21.21 | tleilax | it's like going to the doctor and saying "it hurts when I go like this" |
| 12:21.25 | RoyK | hi. why was webmin removed from the repositories? |
| 12:21.25 | tleilax | well, stop going like that ;) |
| 12:21.26 | wfq | Arafangion, yes, that is something that I should try |
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| 12:21.58 | Arafangion | tleilax: Is it just me, or is this a bit like some kind of bastardized form of the mainframe and the thin/thick client setup? |
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| 12:22.21 | tleilax | Arafangion, see http://www.internetisseriousbusiness.com/ for more information |
| 12:22.32 | Arafangion | wfq: The official version of the firefox binaries are utterly trivial to install. Uncompress it into /opt/firefox |
| 12:22.55 | Penix | or even better, /usr/local |
| 12:23.00 | enouf | sees much plugin breakage coming |
| 12:23.05 | enouf | better ;-) |
| 12:23.09 | wfq | Arafangion, yes I am now going there |
| 12:23.26 | tleilax | adblock plus and firebug work with 3.0b4 |
| 12:23.27 | Arafangion | Penix: /opt is better according to the FHS, afaik. |
| 12:23.31 | tleilax | and really, what else is there? |
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| 12:24.24 | wfq | well, this is really important for me, I mean firebug has to work given I am,unfortunately, a web programmer |
| 12:24.33 | tleilax | poor guy |
| 12:24.41 | tleilax | you need to get firebug 1.1 i think |
| 12:24.48 | enouf | !comfort wfq |
| 12:24.48 | dpkg | There, there, wfq. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 12:25.15 | enouf | Arafangion: echo $PATH ;-) |
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| 12:25.31 | wfq | hi enouf, how is it going? |
| 12:25.39 | enouf | hola |
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| 12:26.22 | adelec | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.23 | adelec | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.36 | crashanddie | adelec, ifconfig |
| 12:26.39 | enouf | try netstat -runap |
| 12:26.44 | enouf | er -tunap |
| 12:26.52 | wfq | enouf, (good spanish :)). |
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| 12:27.26 | adelec | yup, the natstat did it , thanks ;) |
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| 12:28.03 | Uatschitchun | Hi all |
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| 12:28.47 | Uatschitchun | sorry for this dumb question, but is there a way to include png's within a debian package? maybe: debian/testpic.png ? |
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| 12:29.19 | Uatschitchun | binaries have to be represented in diff.gz ... so I guess the answer is NO ;) |
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| 12:30.44 | Arafangion | enouf: Why do you suggest echo $PATH? |
| 12:31.57 | naiv | i'm looking for the better way to get the gcc version which was used to compile the kernel. i think that "dmesg | grep gcc" isn't the regular way, doesn't it ? |
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| 12:32.38 | Arafangion | naiv: There's an option in the kernel, afaik. |
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| 12:33.20 | naiv | Arafangion, i don't understand |
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| 12:34.12 | Arafangion | naiv: Turn the option on, build the the kernel, and you can see a little bit more info in /proc, (or was it /sys?) |
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| 12:35.19 | crashanddie | naiv, cat /prov/version |
| 12:35.37 | crashanddie | naiv, cat /proc/version |
| 12:35.38 | crashanddie | even |
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| 12:36.23 | omry | I am trying to install nvidia drivers on a stock kernel, and the dirvers need the kernel source tree. |
| 12:36.47 | omry | I install it, and pointed the drivers to it, but the drivers says it's not configured. (version.h is missing) |
| 12:36.54 | crashanddie | I'm trying to package commoncpp2 into a .deb for a special arch (within scratchbox, for armel), but when I use dpkg-buildpackage I only get a .deb that has the docs, nothing else... Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong ? |
| 12:37.05 | omry | how do I configure it to match my (stock) kernel? |
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| 12:37.26 | Akuw | hi |
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| 12:37.31 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 12:37.31 | dpkg | mentors is probably the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 12:37.32 | jelly-home | !nvidia |
| 12:37.32 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 12:37.36 | Akuw | i have a problem burning CDs |
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| 12:37.53 | omry | jelly-home: I`v been there. it's not supported for lenny |
| 12:38.04 | Akuw | some times it burn ok, sometimes it burn, but when i try to install using that CD i get errors |
| 12:38.16 | Akuw | i am Using GnomeBaker |
| 12:38.30 | abrotman | Akuw: all on one line would be better |
| 12:38.34 | Eulex | !tell omry about simple sid backport |
| 12:38.44 | Akuw | ok, ok |
| 12:38.56 | jelly-home | omry: however, it will tell you how to install linux kernel headers, which ought to be enough to build the kernel driver |
| 12:39.23 | omry | jelly-home: trying to install the headers. |
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| 12:39.39 | enouf | Akuw: use CLI tools like wodim |
| 12:40.08 | enouf | Akuw: verify the burn, and more importantly the ISO prior to burning |
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| 12:42.16 | omry | jelly-home: the headers are missing /include/config.h as well. so it wont work with them |
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| 12:43.08 | extor | What sort of functionality does a sonic wall have that a regular cablemodem firewall box will not have? |
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| 12:43.26 | abrotman | extor: ask #networking .. |
| 12:43.43 | omry | Eulex: I have already tried to use the sid packages, they wont install due to some dependency problem.I |
| 12:44.10 | Eulex | omry, dpkg didn't tell you to install the sid packages. it told you to rebuild them for lenny. |
| 12:45.29 | omry | Eulex: and this will work? |
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| 12:45.48 | omry | I didn't just grabbed the deb and tried to install it, I used the stable/unstable mix approach. |
| 12:46.10 | Eulex | omry, if lenny has all build-deps, it will work |
| 12:46.40 | Eulex | omry, woah, stable/unstable mix approach? please don't say that you're mixing etch and sid... |
| 12:46.54 | enouf | lmao |
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| 12:48.12 | omry | Eulex: I am not. |
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| 12:48.28 | omry | Eulex: I tried, it didn't install the package, I backed off. |
| 12:48.36 | wfq | well, downloaded firefox3 but my former installation of firefox 2 was done by apt-get and I replaces the content in /usr/lib/iceweasel by the new one but it seems not to work |
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| 12:48.49 | omry | Eulex: there is a way to tell apt-get to use testing as the deafult distro, and to install specific packages from sid. |
| 12:48.50 | wfq | should I entirely remove the former installation? |
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| 12:49.15 | Eulex | omry, there is, but the correct way is to backport the package yourself. |
| 12:49.27 | omry | Eulex: it's a bunch of packages. |
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| 12:49.42 | Eulex | wfq, yes, and you should've done so _before_ installing the firefox3 stuff |
| 12:50.03 | Eulex | omry, but which all are built from the same source package. |
| 12:50.15 | wfq | Eulex, there is no problem because Icopy the former content in a iceweasel.old folder and everything is working fine |
| 12:50.16 | wfq | again |
| 12:50.25 | wfq | *copied |
| 12:50.40 | omry | Eulex: and which package is that? |
| 12:51.02 | enouf | trollin trollin trollin |
| 12:51.07 | Eulex | omry, nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 12:51.29 | Eulex | wfq, there is a problem, because if you now attempt to uninstall your firefox2, it will uninstall components of your firefox3 |
| 12:52.21 | wfq | Eulex, there is not such a problem because the content of the folder that I modified is exactly the same. I just copied those files (that is the result of being a bad user of debian :)) |
| 12:52.42 | Eulex | wfq, ok |
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| 12:53.07 | adelec | any command line utility to translate IPs into locations? possible? |
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| 12:53.41 | omry | Eulex: Unable to find a source package for nvidia-graphics-driver |
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| 12:53.59 | Eulex | omry, right, there is no binary package named nvidia-graphics-driver. |
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| 12:54.23 | Eulex | omry, but if you attempt to get the source package of any of the packages that are built from it, it'll fetch the full source package. |
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| 12:54.56 | Akuw | abrotman: some help |
| 12:55.12 | abrotman | Akuw: does it only fail for ISOs ? |
| 12:55.22 | omry | Eulex: cool. getting the source. |
| 12:55.23 | xand | !qotd0 |
| 12:55.23 | dpkg | <felix_187> abrotman: presuming everything worked correctly, how could i get my wireless working? |
| 12:55.24 | Akuw | well |
| 12:55.28 | naiv | Arafangion, oh! thank you but it is ok, i just didn't know cat /proc/version |
| 12:55.33 | abrotman | hi xand |
| 12:55.34 | naiv | that's it crashanddie thanks |
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| 12:55.42 | xand | hi |
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| 12:55.54 | xand | notes major scroll fail... irssi was scrolled up several days x.x |
| 12:56.02 | xand | wondered why there was no activity :) |
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| 12:56.34 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:56.36 | xand | adelec: geoip-bin? but such things aren't very accurate |
| 12:56.44 | Akuw | yes |
| 12:56.52 | abrotman | yes what ? |
| 12:56.52 | adelec | let me try it |
| 12:57.14 | xand | bloody sourceforge always picks somewhere in europe instead of the mirror that's in the same building as me (at work) x.x |
| 12:57.20 | abrotman | Akuw: you're burning them as images? not data? and at like 4x ? |
| 12:57.23 | omry | Eulex: once I am done downloading, should I just apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-driver ? |
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| 12:58.20 | Akuw | i am using Auto to speed |
| 12:58.21 | Eulex | omry, no, you once again want to put in a name of a package that is built from the nvidia-graphics-driver package |
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| 12:58.30 | Akuw | and ISO image of data |
| 12:59.23 | enouf | what ISOs? |
| 13:00.00 | abrotman | Akuw: don't use auto .. use 4 or 8 |
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| 13:01.00 | omry | Eulex: my xorg version is not new enough for nvidia-glx. |
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| 13:01.07 | Akuw | ok |
| 13:01.42 | omry | Eulex: it's been a while since I ran dist-upgrade, so it may be solved by doing it. but I want to be sure before I do (it will be a long process) |
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| 13:02.07 | omry | how do I check what is the latest version of xserver-xorg-core for lenny? |
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| 13:02.22 | Eulex | omry, 7.2-5 is the newest in testing. however, just altering the package you're building from might 'just work', if it's a an artificial restriction |
| 13:02.41 | enouf | apt-cache policy <pkgname> after an update |
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| 13:03.19 | omry | Eulex: 7.2-5? that's strange, it's complainging about : nvidia-glx depends on xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4) |
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| 13:03.38 | Eulex | omry, ah, well, 7.2-5 is the version of xserver-xorg |
| 13:03.41 | enouf | the -core are versioned diff |
| 13:04.19 | Eulex | omry, 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12lenny2 is the newest one in lenny (from testing/updates) |
| 13:04.30 | omry | Eulex: yes. just saw that. |
| 13:04.43 | omry | Eulex: so you think I should try to edit the package depencency? |
| 13:04.46 | omry | dependencies. |
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| 13:06.02 | Eulex | omry, yes. I don't believe the drivers really require a 1.4 xserver, but rather that it will require the version of the xserver that you're building it against. |
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| 13:07.06 | abrotman | Akuw: you should also be using CDRWs i hope .. ? |
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| 13:07.16 | omry | Eulex: I assume /debian/control ? |
| 13:07.28 | enouf | you could use -dummy too |
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| 13:07.43 | Akuw | abrotman: |
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| 13:07.51 | omry | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 13:07.56 | Akuw | abrotman:of course man, i burned a lot of |
| 13:08.03 | enouf | and you should be using -dao -burnfree , etc |
| 13:08.17 | enouf | wodim --help |
| 13:08.26 | enouf | that's what i mean |
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| 13:08.43 | Akuw | look, just no, i burned another BLAG Linux, then Blag use a test to know if CDs is ok |
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| 13:09.00 | enouf | i hope you've been taking notes, i don't repeat |
| 13:09.04 | Akuw | the first CD no pass the test, so i burn another and it pass the test |
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| 13:09.24 | liable | enouf: thats what you said last night! |
| 13:09.27 | liable | ;) |
| 13:09.32 | enouf | :-P |
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| 13:09.47 | kladizkov | any one here use glipper? |
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| 13:09.57 | enouf | hires liable to take some dict O_o |
| 13:10.18 | kladizkov | i am unable to run glipper in my machine... |
| 13:10.18 | liable | tripes rell |
| 13:10.19 | kladizkov | SHARED_DATA_DIR: /usr/share/glipper |
| 13:10.20 | kladizkov | Binding shortcut <Ctrl><Alt>c to popup glipper |
| 13:10.20 | kladizkov | Running with options: {'standalone': False} |
| 13:10.23 | enouf | (should've dropped that last t .. drats) |
| 13:10.57 | Akuw | well i used 8x, could be that solve the problem |
| 13:11.20 | adelec | exit |
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| 13:12.43 | omry | Eulex: I got it to build the debs before, but I can't seem to remember the command. tried both apt-get -b source nvidia-glx , nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-graphics-driver, and none works. |
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| 13:13.27 | hark | omry: what's the error? |
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| 13:14.03 | Eulex | omry, you should've gotten a directory containing the extracted source now. you should just be able to edit stuff in it and then build it (with for example dpkg-buildpackage) |
| 13:14.51 | paolob | Hi guys! I can't syncronize anymore my gnome with the palm treo 680. Instead of syncing, when I press the treo's sync button the gpilot preferences appear. Any hint? |
| 13:14.53 | Gun_Smoke_work | Look over debian's website... Seems that the weekly news has died.. |
| 13:15.11 | liable | long time ago unfortunately |
| 13:15.19 | Gun_Smoke_work | thats a drag. |
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| 13:15.24 | liable | yup |
| 13:15.29 | omry | hark: never mind. I think the error was caused by me removing the sid source from apt sources. |
| 13:15.34 | omry | Eulex: thanks. building |
| 13:15.50 | Gun_Smoke_work | debian will fade out soon enough. |
| 13:16.15 | liable | Gun_Smoke_work: unlikely |
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| 13:17.49 | abrotman | Gun_Smoke_work: go troll elsewhere |
| 13:18.29 | alnr | where does mysql write error messages in debian? i fgrep mysql /var/log/* it only shows /var/log/syslog but they are not going there (lately) |
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| 13:19.58 | Gun_Smoke_work | abrotman: I'm not trolling |
| 13:20.17 | Gun_Smoke_work | Take that elsewhere. |
| 13:21.09 | Inktjet | what do you guys consider the best tool to mount ext3 for Windows? |
| 13:21.12 | abrotman | alnr: /var/log/mysql/ ? |
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| 13:21.41 | omry | Eulex: nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-169.09 , and I don't seem to have the deb for it. maybe not all debs are generated from nvidia-graphics-driver? |
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| 13:22.13 | abrotman | Inktjet: i think the current consensus is ext2ifs |
| 13:22.43 | hark | omry: the kernel source is a separate package |
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| 13:23.02 | omry | hark: and I need to backport it as well, I suppose? |
| 13:23.11 | Inktjet | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:23.26 | MoDaX | omry: m-a a-i nvidia |
| 13:23.30 | hark | omry: you can just install it directly and use m-a to build it |
| 13:23.30 | abrotman | !ext2ifs |
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| 13:23.59 | eth01 | . |
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| 13:24.10 | hark | .. |
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| 13:24.17 | omry | hark: install what directly? |
| 13:24.25 | Eulex | hark, separate binary package: yes, separate source package: no |
| 13:24.34 | MoDaX | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:24.45 | Eulex | oh right |
| 13:25.03 | Eulex | omry, nvidia-kernel-foo is built from nvidia-kernel-source-foo |
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| 13:25.09 | salvin_ | omri, you must build it first |
| 13:25.15 | dpkg | ext2ifs is probably a Windows NT driver for reading ext2/3 filesystems. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 13:25.17 | alnr | abrotman: thanks but that only has the bin logs. |
| 13:25.23 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 13:25.32 | omry | MoDaX: the one-lines doesn't work for lenny |
| 13:25.36 | abrotman | alnr: i think you have to enable the error logging |
| 13:26.01 | wfq | do any of you guys have whatever version of Firefox installed over debian lenny? |
| 13:26.11 | MoDaX | omry: aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 13:26.20 | wfq | I just need to make sure that this is a problem of firefox and not my debian installation |
| 13:26.38 | MoDaX | !info iceweasel lenny |
| 13:26.45 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.12-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 7920 kB, Installed size: 24408 kB |
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| 13:26.50 | omry | just one I need, to get aptitude into this mess. |
| 13:27.04 | MoDaX | omry: use apt-get |
| 13:27.11 | Eulex | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 13:27.12 | dpkg | i heard nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:27.17 | MoDaX | omry: or whatever apt* you use |
| 13:27.20 | omry | it says I already have nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 13:27.35 | omry | but when I build that I don't get nvidia-kernel-source |
| 13:27.35 | wfq | MoDax, I have installed iceweasel and I have the same problem |
| 13:27.38 | Eulex | MoDaX, please do not give him bogus advice. the nvidia stuff is not in lenny. |
| 13:28.17 | MoDaX | Eulex: sorry, I just assume everybody is running sid :) |
| 13:28.23 | Eulex | omry, m-a a-i nvidia is what you'll have to issue to build the nvidia kernel module, if you have nvidia-kernel-source installed |
| 13:28.27 | Eulex | MoDaX, please don't do. |
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| 13:29.14 | wfq | can anyone open http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/ and http://www.marca.com/ (they are spanish sport newspaper) and let me know what happens to you cpu and memory |
| 13:29.17 | MoDaX | omry: then wget nvidia-kernel-source from unstable |
| 13:29.27 | MoDaX | and dpkg -i it |
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| 13:29.43 | omry | Eulex: I see. so I am not there yet. |
| 13:29.59 | amphi | wfq: both work fine from here |
| 13:30.00 | wfq | I have just those tabs and the average of consumed cup by firefox is 40% with peaks till 64% and memory is around 50% |
| 13:30.15 | wfq | amphi, but what is your cpu load please? |
| 13:30.21 | amphi | wfq: negligible |
| 13:30.24 | Eulex | MoDaX, he has already backported his own nvidia packages. also, that won't work. |
| 13:30.34 | omry | Eulex: looks like apt-get source nvidia-kernel-soruce gives me the nvidia-graphics-driver package |
| 13:30.39 | amphi | wfq: I have the noscript plugin enabled though ; |
| 13:30.39 | hark | wfq: try with safe mode |
| 13:30.51 | omry | but when I build that package it does not generate nvidia-kernel-source |
| 13:30.51 | gonzaloaf | hi, just to develop some of amarok.. I have installed kubuntu 7.10, and realized that it works faster than my debian lenny, why is it? I thought that debian worked faster than ubuntu, how can I detect what is slowing down my system? |
| 13:31.05 | Eulex | omry, yes, nvidia-kernel-source is built from that source package. |
| 13:31.12 | amphi | wfq: iceweasel has used so much memory, these sites make no appreciable difference |
| 13:31.17 | Eulex | omry, hrrm, odd, it does/did here |
| 13:31.19 | hark | Eulex: it should, shouldn't it? |
| 13:31.22 | MoDaX | nvidia-kernel-source DOES NOT need backporting to lenny |
| 13:31.30 | Eulex | hark, yes it should |
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| 13:31.54 | amphi | wfq: but I have over 80 tabs open ATM |
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| 13:32.10 | MoDaX | neither does nvidia-glx |
| 13:32.23 | Eulex | MoDaX, hmm, yeah, appears to be correct, it was other packages that needed an 1.4 xserver. |
| 13:32.28 | wfq | amphi, shame!!!what the hell is going on with my system? |
| 13:32.55 | wfq | amphi, are any of those websites asking you for a missing plugin? |
| 13:33.07 | amphi | not that I saw |
| 13:33.17 | hark | MoDaX: nvidia-glx does |
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| 13:33.33 | amphi | I just opened them, and quickly closed them - I have renounced spr0t and all its works |
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| 13:34.31 | hark | MoDaX: only because it has a dependancy of xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.4), and the one in lenny is 1.3 |
| 13:34.43 | omry | Eulex, hark MoDaX, I was trying to build the nvidia drivers (from nvidia), which needed a configured kernel. sounds to me like trying to get the stock kernel sources configured is a fastest path with the current state of lenny support for nvidia. |
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| 13:35.05 | MoDaX | omry: do not use nvidia drivers from nvidia.com |
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| 13:35.25 | omry | MoDaX: yes yes, I know it's bad. but damn, I have been spending over an hour on this. |
| 13:35.31 | omry | maybe two. |
| 13:35.47 | enouf | heh, i've spent days just on man cp O_o |
| 13:35.50 | omry | and I am not even inside x, so everything is a pain. |
| 13:36.29 | gonzaloaf | omry, there is no pkgs of nvidia driver for lenny :( |
| 13:36.35 | hark | omry: that's no excuse, if you want to use nvidia's installer try #nvidia instead |
| 13:36.37 | gonzaloaf | omry, I'm using nv |
| 13:36.51 | MoDaX | omry: I don't know why it depends on xserver-xorg-core 1.4 but if I were you I would first try dpkg --force-all -i nvidia-glx |
| 13:36.53 | Eulex | omry, the nv driver should suffice in most cases if you have no working nvidia driver |
| 13:37.08 | MoDaX | to see if it works |
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| 13:37.16 | MoDaX | I don't see why it shouldn't |
| 13:37.16 | gonzaloaf | hark, I wouldnt recommend to use nvidia.com drivers, I would follow the wikis's directions, but it seems to be outdated |
| 13:37.55 | gonzaloaf | omry, dont install nvidia.com drivers. it would be a nightmare uninstalling that |
| 13:37.59 | Flashtek | has an upgrade related question... aptitude wants to remove postfix and replace with exim.. can I prevent this as I have a happily running postfix setup with virtual domains and the like...?? |
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| 13:38.17 | Flashtek | upgrading from sarge to etch |
| 13:38.18 | omry | hark: I don't want to. but I am going in circles for hours now trying to install the debian nvidia drivers on lenny. |
| 13:38.21 | enouf | hold? |
| 13:38.33 | zeitsofas | Hello @ all | Morgen zusammen |
| 13:38.43 | MolePrince | Any ideas why Lenny might try to pull down an entire X install for Kismet? Isn't it a console program? |
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| 13:39.02 | hark | omry: backport nvidia-glx /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:39.16 | jelly-home | Flashtek: that's weird. Do you use the normal Debian postfix package? |
| 13:39.19 | gonzaloaf | omry, if you want to do that you have to do a mixed lenny/sid system but I wouldnt do that |
| 13:39.22 | Flashtek | jelly-home: yes |
| 13:39.41 | jelly-home | Flashtek: which release? |
| 13:39.46 | Flashtek | jelly-home: even in sarge it wants to remove it.. |
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| 13:39.56 | Flashtek | jelly-home: but if i use "apt-get" it doesn't |
| 13:39.57 | BarryAllen | hi all |
| 13:40.07 | BarryAllen | is there some FAI channel in freenode? |
| 13:40.07 | enouf | !recommends |
| 13:40.09 | omry | hark: can you check for me? I am not very proficient with lynx. |
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| 13:40.32 | jelly-home | Flashtek: aptitude sometimes guesses wrong |
| 13:40.34 | hark | !tell omry about ssb |
| 13:41.01 | Flashtek | jelly-home: if i use apt-get to perform the upgrade, can i perform a seamless switch to aptitude after ? |
| 13:41.07 | MoDaX | omry: force packages from sid. it will be less pita then backporting. |
| 13:41.08 | Flashtek | jelly-home: without wrecking the server.. |
| 13:41.20 | jelly-home | Flashtek: which debian release are you using? |
| 13:41.32 | Flashtek | jelly-home: Sarge at the mo.. |
| 13:41.51 | hark | Flashtek: are you following the release notes? |
| 13:41.53 | Akuw | i need to backup Evolution mail client |
| 13:41.59 | Akuw | what files i have to save? |
| 13:42.20 | Flashtek | hark: i'm at the point of using aptitude, it suggests removing postfix... |
| 13:42.50 | MoDaX | Flashtek: aptitude install aptitude |
| 13:42.52 | Flashtek | hark: as this is a mail server,I needpostfix.. |
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| 13:42.59 | abrotman | Akuw: i'd probably ask on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:42.59 | Flashtek | MoDaX: really ?? |
| 13:43.06 | MoDaX | maybe the one from etch won't |
| 13:43.18 | Flashtek | it's an idea.. |
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| 13:43.34 | omry | Eulex: nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-169.09; and it's not generated by the source package |
| 13:43.42 | Flashtek | can't I just use apt-get and worry about it later ? |
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| 13:43.57 | omry | MoDaX: I am almost done with the backporting, I think. |
| 13:44.09 | jelly-home | Flashtek: using apt-get will make the system not know which packages were installed autmatically. If you don't care about that, you can try using it |
| 13:44.16 | MolePrince | I'm looking to set up a Debian box as the front-end to a sata enclosure to make a network storage dump. Any suggestions on what release to use and how to set it up please? |
| 13:44.34 | MoDaX | omry: have you got nvidia-kernel-source from packages.debian.org (sid) ? |
| 13:44.35 | Flashtek | jelly-home: arse.. |
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| 13:44.43 | omry | MoDaX: yes. |
| 13:44.50 | MoDaX | omry: dpkg -i it ? |
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| 13:45.23 | Flashtek | jelly-home: any ideas on what to do ? |
| 13:45.34 | MoDaX | omry: then apt-get install module-assistant if you don't have it |
| 13:45.34 | omry | MoDaX: hmm. no. I got the nvidia-graphics-drivers from sid, built it, and got nvidia-kernel-source deb, I installed it. |
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| 13:45.43 | MoDaX | omry: ok |
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| 13:45.52 | omry | I have ma |
| 13:45.53 | MoDaX | get module-assistant now |
| 13:45.55 | jelly-home | Flashtek: or you could try upgrading dpkg, apt & aptitude first then dist-upgrade after that. Chances are things will break |
| 13:45.57 | MoDaX | good |
| 13:46.07 | MoDaX | omry: now run `m-a prepare` |
| 13:46.21 | Flashtek | jelly-home: I can't afford for things to break... |
| 13:46.40 | jelly-home | Flashtek: so do it on a test cloned installation first |
| 13:46.59 | omry | MoDaX: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.09 but it is not installable |
| 13:47.02 | Flashtek | jelly-home: not an available option... |
| 13:47.11 | omry | it also bitch about kernel headers, but I think it's nor imporant |
| 13:47.13 | MoDaX | omry: ahhh, now i get it |
| 13:47.14 | jelly-home | Flashtek: pay someone to do it |
| 13:47.19 | MoDaX | omry: dpkg -P nvidia-glx |
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| 13:47.43 | MoDaX | omry: then run m-a prepare again |
| 13:47.44 | omry | MoDaX: it output a lot of stuff. |
| 13:47.58 | MoDaX | omry: try apt-get -f install |
| 13:47.58 | omry | MoDaX: done! |
| 13:48.04 | MoDaX | ok |
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| 13:48.09 | omry | MoDaX: hmm |
| 13:48.11 | MoDaX | omry: now run m-a a-i nvidia |
| 13:48.13 | omry | or not. |
| 13:48.26 | Flashtek | jelly-home: i am the one being paid to perform the upgrade... |
| 13:48.28 | omry | MoDaX: still got : nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-169.09 but it is not installable |
| 13:48.31 | omry | from m-a |
| 13:48.35 | jelly-home | Flashtek: hah! |
| 13:48.37 | enouf | omry: you altered a debian/control prior to building no? |
| 13:48.42 | omry | enouf: yes. |
| 13:48.49 | omry | control.in |
| 13:48.58 | MoDaX | omry: doesn't `apt-get -f install' try to fix the problem? |
| 13:49.06 | neosix | hello! I have one question. If I install lilo in MBR, and if I want Grub later, does grub overwite lilo or I have to remove lilo first? |
| 13:49.22 | omry | MoDaX: it tries to install packages from sid. |
| 13:49.28 | omry | I should remove the sid sources first, no? |
| 13:49.39 | omry | (I am on lenny, added sid sources to get the source) |
| 13:49.39 | MoDaX | omry: yes and run apt-get update |
| 13:49.45 | MolePrince | Hello. I had a linux-based network area storage device brick itself recently which had a striped RAID TB of storage on it. Is there any way to recover that if I have the disk drives still? |
| 13:49.46 | abrotman | neosix: grub will overwrite lilo (but i would purge lilo after installing grub) |
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| 13:49.53 | enouf | neosix: overwrites, if you install it there |
| 13:49.55 | Flashtek | jelly-home: very constructive feedback... thanks.. |
| 13:50.07 | abrotman | Flashtek: you can switch to aptitude later if you want |
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| 13:50.21 | neosix | OK thanks |
| 13:50.34 | omry | MoDaX: apt-get -f install wants to remove nvidia-glx |
| 13:50.43 | MoDaX | omry: let it. that the point |
| 13:50.47 | MoDaX | that's |
| 13:50.53 | jelly-home | Flashtek: hey, if you can't afford either breakage or a testing installation, you've drawn yourself into a corner |
| 13:51.05 | abrotman | jelly-home: STEP OVER THE LINE! |
| 13:51.19 | omry | MoDaX: done. |
| 13:51.22 | MoDaX | omry: now m-a a-i nvidia |
| 13:51.26 | MoDaX | it should work |
| 13:51.42 | jelly-home | abrotman: my prices are in euro. |
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| 13:51.54 | omry | MoDaX: it's doing something. getting kernel headers. |
| 13:52.01 | MoDaX | omry: nice |
| 13:52.03 | abrotman | jelly-home: beer? |
| 13:52.13 | jelly-home | abrotman: acceptable! |
| 13:52.20 | Flashtek | abrotman: thank you |
| 13:52.20 | omry | MoDaX: yes. very. |
| 13:52.30 | MoDaX | omry: once it finishes, install nvidia-glx |
| 13:52.36 | MoDaX | omry: and you're done! |
| 13:52.46 | enouf | drxx? |
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| 13:52.55 | omry | MoDaX: you mean the nvidia_glx generated by the package build? |
| 13:53.02 | MoDaX | omry: yes |
| 13:53.04 | enouf | modprobe? add to /etc/modules? |
| 13:53.12 | MoDaX | if you've backported it |
| 13:53.19 | omry | MoDaX: yes. it's installed now. |
| 13:53.21 | omry | great. |
| 13:53.33 | omry | let me stack to kick my x server, see if it wakes :) |
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| 13:55.19 | MoDaX | omry_: run glxinfo | grep direct to see if 3D is working |
| 13:55.45 | omry_ | MoDaX, first of all, X is up which is sweet. thanks! |
| 13:56.13 | omry_ | MoDaX, and yes, 3d works |
| 13:56.25 | omry_ | MoDaX, Eulex hark, thanks a lot. |
| 13:56.33 | MoDaX | omry_: np |
| 13:56.45 | omry_ | now my original problem of dead sound is also fixed. that's why I had to upgrade the kernel in the first place. |
| 13:57.05 | omry_ | glxgears outputs about 13k fps :) |
| 13:57.10 | omry_ | 13.8k |
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| 13:57.38 | enouf | i think i get ~80 .. i'm happy |
| 13:57.44 | MoDaX | glxgears-is-not-a-benchmark ;) |
| 13:58.57 | omry_ | MoDaX, sure not. but it's an indicator of 3d goodness in progress. :) |
| 13:59.14 | cusco | it prints the fps |
| 13:59.21 | cusco | why can't it be used as a benchmark? |
| 14:00.07 | omry_ | cusco, because it's designed to be a significant benchmark. |
| 14:00.19 | jelly-home | cusco: because it only exercises a very small subset of 3d capabilities? |
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| 14:00.44 | cusco | hm mok.. |
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| 14:02.33 | wfq | the firefox's issue is starting to make me really angry |
| 14:02.40 | wfq | I can not kill this shit now |
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| 14:02.55 | MoDaX | wfq: ff has always been memory hungry |
| 14:03.06 | MoDaX | and it has tons of memory leaks |
| 14:03.18 | MoDaX | and if you add flash to the fix, then... |
| 14:03.43 | wfq | yes, it is horrible |
| 14:03.51 | cusco | killall -9 firefox-bin |
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| 14:04.01 | wfq | it is working much worst than whtever Microsoft product |
| 14:04.11 | wfq | cusco, I tried but nothing |
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| 14:04.30 | wfq | now |
| 14:04.42 | cusco | how about listing the pid - ps -e e - and kill it |
| 14:04.46 | wfq | thanks cusco, I tried kill -9 pid |
| 14:04.58 | cusco | yep -9 |
| 14:05.09 | wfq | and killall firefox-bin but nothing till I used yours |
| 14:05.18 | cusco | -9 againb |
| 14:05.30 | cusco | sigkill |
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| 14:06.28 | xand | !why is virtualbox-ose-modules not in testing? |
| 14:06.28 | dpkg | virtualbox-ose-modules is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=virtualbox-ose-modules |
| 14:06.31 | MoDaX | wfq: killall -9 also works |
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| 14:06.54 | wfq | MoDax, yes that was what finally killed the process |
| 14:07.01 | wfq | thanks, cusco, MoDaX |
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| 14:07.17 | MoDaX | wfq: what sites are cousing the problem? |
| 14:07.22 | MoDaX | causing* |
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| 14:08.05 | jonaskoelker | question: I'd like to install apt-cacher, but I feel silly for storing each package I download twice--once in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and once in /var/cache/apt-cacher/packages/; could the two folders be merged? What bad things would happen? |
| 14:08.12 | s0ullight | hello how do i install ffmpeg-php on debian? |
| 14:08.14 | wfq | MoDaX, generally speaking I think any that asks you for the flash plugin |
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| 14:08.34 | wfq | but I think it has to be something wrong also with my debian lenny installation |
| 14:08.57 | MoDaX | wfq: purge flashplugin-nonfree and test again |
| 14:09.20 | wfq | but I need those plugins |
| 14:09.33 | jonaskoelker | s0ullight: go to http://ffmpeg-php.sourceforge.net/ and follow the instructions? |
| 14:09.42 | cusco | apt-get install php5-ffmpeg |
| 14:09.50 | jonaskoelker | or that :) |
| 14:09.51 | MoDaX | wfq: just for testing |
| 14:09.59 | MoDaX | wfq: you'll reinstall it later |
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| 14:10.52 | Akuw | i am conecting an IPod, but can't see |
| 14:11.16 | kladizkov | ipod may not get mounted.. |
| 14:11.37 | kladizkov | or it does...my bad |
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| 14:12.24 | MoDaX | Akuw: kde/gnome? |
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| 14:13.14 | abrotman | Akuw: which version of Debian is this? |
| 14:14.06 | Akuw | etch |
| 14:14.13 | Akuw | gnome |
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| 14:14.34 | MoDaX | alright, I don't know anything about gnome |
| 14:15.02 | abrotman | where'd he go? |
| 14:16.37 | opensrcguru | abrotman: abducted by aliens |
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| 14:17.52 | ziyax | Hello, i wanna know how can i flush all ips listed in route? i tried /sbin/route -v flush but didnt work thanx for answers |
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| 14:18.34 | MoDaX | ziyax: ip route flush table main |
| 14:20.05 | ziyax | ty |
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| 14:20.45 | enouf | iproute2 kg |
| 14:20.54 | enouf | er s/kg/pkg |
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| 14:21.37 | dimir | Wrap me iproute 2 kg please. |
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| 14:25.49 | bnadland | hello, how do i purge packages in etch? |
| 14:25.52 | enouf | quick! how many lbs is that? |
| 14:26.09 | enouf | !tell bnadland about apt howto |
| 14:26.20 | MoDaX | bnadland: aptitude purge or apt-get --purge remove |
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| 14:26.29 | enouf | !fish |
| 14:26.29 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 14:26.38 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 14:27.46 | ziyax | MoDaX i did and i lost the connection ;p |
| 14:28.21 | bnadland | thanks '^^ |
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| 14:34.39 | MoDaX | ziyax: of course you did. that's what you asked for |
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| 14:38.52 | ziyax | MoDaX actually i wanted to flush deny list;p |
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| 14:39.57 | _joey | have a question related to networking. A host has two interface: ethernet and wifi. HOw do I route all traffic to a specific host via ethernet and the rest via wifi? |
| 14:40.18 | abrotman | configure your routing correctly |
| 14:40.32 | _joey | abrotman shoosh |
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| 14:40.37 | _joey | :) |
| 14:40.54 | liable | man route has some examples |
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| 14:43.45 | Haris1 | I have a directly connected interface on linux -> eth2 which is on 192.168.2.0/24. ADSL modem is on this interface on IP 192.168.2.1. I can ping the adsl router/modem, but can't trace it? The linux box knows; |
| 14:43.58 | Haris1 | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 14:43.58 | Haris1 | 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth2 |
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| 14:44.19 | Haris1 | Sitting on a windows box behind this linux box, I can't traceroute to the IP 192.168.2.1 |
| 14:44.30 | Haris1 | the linux box IP for this interface is 192.168.2.2 |
| 14:44.31 | _joey | route add host 192.168.1.105 netmask 255.255.255.255 dev eth0 |
| 14:44.36 | _joey | like that? |
| 14:44.44 | Haris1 | I have quagga doing the routing |
| 14:44.54 | Haris1 | ip route 192.168.2.0/24 eth2 |
| 14:44.56 | _joey | if I wount to send all traffic to 192.168.1.105 via ethernet? |
| 14:45.15 | MoDaX | ziyax: some file in /etc/ |
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| 14:46.08 | abrotman | _joey: try it and see .. should be easy to test |
| 14:46.59 | Haris1 | makes no sense why I can't traceroute |
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| 14:47.12 | Haris1 | the linux box IS configured to forward packets |
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| 14:48.08 | abrotman | how? |
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| 14:48.24 | Haris1 | echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 14:49.44 | Haris1 | I need to check the web panel on the adsl modem. The adsl modem is connected to this linux box, which is acting as nat/masq and gateway for internet |
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| 14:50.51 | Haris1 | my traffic is not reaching the adsl modem/router. I can't view the web panel |
| 14:50.57 | _joey | god damnit |
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| 14:51.57 | Haris1 | windows box <-> linux box -> eth2 -> adsl modem |
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| 14:52.09 | Haris1 | the linux box can open the web panel on adsl modem. the windows box can't |
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| 14:53.04 | Haris1 | windows box IP: 192.168.0.210 the linux box IP: 192.168.0.200, 192.168.2.2 The adsl modem/router IP: 192.168.2.1 |
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| 14:54.30 | Haris1 | I'm not sure why the linux box is not routing traffic |
| 14:54.35 | Haris1 | especially when quagga is running on it |
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| 14:55.08 | Haris1 | 192.168.2.0/24 dev eth2 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.2.2 |
| 14:56.22 | Haris1 | what do I need for routing to work on the interfaces on this linux box? |
| 14:56.28 | Haris1 | on=between |
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| 14:57.33 | Bac9 | Haris1: what's the internal IP of your modem? what's the internal IP of your windows box? |
| 14:57.45 | Bac9 | Haris1: chances are they are on different subnets |
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| 14:57.56 | Haris1 | yes they are |
| 14:58.02 | Haris1 | that's why I'm implementing routing |
| 14:58.09 | Haris1 | on the linux box |
| 14:58.18 | Haris1 | implementing = configuring |
| 14:58.39 | Haris1 | the windows box is on a 192.168.0.0/24. the linux box is also on 192.168.2.0/24 |
| 14:58.48 | Haris1 | and more! subnets |
| 14:58.54 | Bac9 | Haris1: I am assuming the windows box has your linux box as the default gateway |
| 14:59.00 | Haris1 | I can tracert from LAN to internet |
| 14:59.07 | Haris1 | yep |
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| 14:59.24 | Haris1 | do I need to use MASQUERADING ? Can't I just route the traffic? |
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| 15:00.02 | Bac9 | Haris1: I am also assuming your dsl modem doesn't have your linux box as the default gateway |
| 15:00.45 | Bac9 | Haris1: the above situation would cause packets to go from your windows box to your dsl modem, but the dsl modem not know to whom to set the reply |
| 15:01.18 | Haris1 | Bac9: Yep |
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| 15:01.29 | Haris1 | I see |
| 15:01.34 | Bac9 | Haris1: therefore you must (on the linux) MASQ any traffic going from your windows subnet to your dsl subnet |
| 15:02.13 | Haris1 | I tried this; -> iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -d 192.168.2.0/24 -o eth2 -j MASQUERADE <- This didn't work for traceroute from windows box |
| 15:02.20 | Bac9 | Haris1: that way the dsl modem sees packet coming from linux box and replies to linux box, and linux box does the unMASQing and sends the packet appropriately |
| 15:02.41 | enouf | !ipmasq |
| 15:02.42 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 15:03.03 | Haris1 | ah well, telnet is also not working |
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| 15:03.55 | Haris1 | enouf: well, masq is already working, even if ipmasq is not installed |
| 15:04.31 | Haris1 | lsmod |grep -n masq returns 4 items |
| 15:04.33 | enouf | that's nice, now edit sysctl.conf so it stays that way across reboots |
| 15:04.41 | Haris1 | well, it does, lol |
| 15:04.58 | Haris1 | wow! |
| 15:04.58 | enouf | ok, we're done! ;-) |
| 15:05.10 | Haris1 | hmm |
| 15:05.16 | Haris1 | the adsl modem can also route traffic |
| 15:05.20 | Haris1 | can that help? |
| 15:05.22 | Bac9 | Haris1: and which is the 192.168.0.0/24 and which is the 192.168.2.0/24? |
| 15:05.40 | Haris1 | eth3 is 192.168.0.0/24 and eth2 is 192.168.2.0/24 |
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| 15:07.06 | Bac9 | Haris1: start with something simpler like iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING 1 -o eth2 -j MASQUERADE |
| 15:08.52 | Haris1 | Nope, doesn't work |
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| 15:09.02 | AlexJTanner | hey is there a more up to date repo for debian |
| 15:09.13 | AlexJTanner | I need things like pidgin, and xchat2 |
| 15:09.17 | Haris1 | no telnet, no traceroute, no ping |
| 15:09.18 | AlexJTanner | I am running debian etch |
| 15:09.30 | Haris1 | I can ping 192.168.2.2, which is the linux box's IP on eth2 |
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| 15:09.39 | enouf | AlexJTanner: /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:10.09 | Haris1 | hmm.. |
| 15:10.38 | Haris1 | I'll check the adsl modem and see what its routing capabilities can do |
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| 15:11.46 | abrotman | !tell AlexJTanner about bpo |
| 15:11.50 | Bac9 | Haris1: you can try adding a static route to your dsl modem, but I'd first try to figure out what's going on with your iptables rules, as the aforementioned should have worked unless you're blocking something |
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| 15:12.56 | Georgy_ | !ICMP |
| 15:12.56 | dpkg | from memory, icmp is Internet Control Message Protocol. or DO NOT BLOCK ALL ICMP or someone will thwack you and you will have deserved it., or use --state RELATED in iptables to selectively block and still have legal icmps pass |
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| 15:14.20 | Haris1 | let me paste it |
| 15:15.34 | Farhadix | hi guys, how I can an make .deb package from source? |
| 15:15.41 | abrotman | !mg |
| 15:15.41 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
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| 15:16.24 | Crissi | hrrrrrrrrr |
| 15:16.41 | Crissi | i just upgraded to etch and now my ethernet doesnt work |
| 15:16.51 | Crissi | tg3 driver |
| 15:17.10 | Crissi | loads fine and i can configure ip address but i cant send to network |
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| 15:18.11 | Crissi | is there an alternate driver? |
| 15:18.20 | abrotman | Crissi: firmware needed? |
| 15:19.06 | Crissi | firmware? |
| 15:19.10 | Crissi | for what? |
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| 15:19.27 | Crissi | not for a network card |
| 15:19.49 | Crissi | also: update was not good |
| 15:19.54 | Crissi | lilo.conf was broken after |
| 15:20.17 | abrotman | oh .. guess not |
| 15:20.21 | Crissi | installing grub also only half (grub conf was hda3 instead sda3) |
| 15:20.24 | abrotman | http://www.mailarchives.org/list/debian-kernel/msg/2006/07349 |
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| 15:20.28 | abrotman | see .. firmware blob |
| 15:20.32 | Crissi | hrr |
| 15:20.43 | abrotman | but it appears they put it in anyways |
| 15:20.52 | Crissi | maybe an acpi related problem |
| 15:21.15 | Crissi | with 2.6.8 it boots and after removing /reloading the module and configure the iface manually it works |
| 15:21.18 | Crissi | but thats old |
| 15:21.24 | Crissi | i'm tring 2.6.22 |
| 15:21.32 | abrotman | etch has 2.6.18 |
| 15:22.02 | Crissi | what a old one |
| 15:22.13 | abrotman | you were just using 2.6.8 |
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| 15:22.27 | abrotman | regardless .. |
| 15:22.37 | Crissi | more old |
| 15:22.38 | abrotman | are there any messages in dmesg about your tg3 ? |
| 15:22.42 | Crissi | insecure |
| 15:22.51 | asg | Crissi: security fixes are backported |
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| 15:23.11 | abrotman | and your .22 would also be insecure by your logic |
| 15:23.23 | abrotman | (though the vmsplice fix has been backported to both) |
| 15:23.24 | Crissi | tg3.c:v3.77 (May 31, 2007) |
| 15:23.25 | Crissi | eth0: Tigon3 [partno(BCM95704A6) rev 2100 PHY(5704)] (PCI:66MHz:64-bit) 10/100/1 |
| 15:23.25 | Crissi | 000Base-T Ethernet 00:30:48:58:87:9c |
| 15:23.25 | Crissi | eth0: RXcsums[1] LinkChgREG[0] MIirq[0] ASF[1] WireSpeed[1] TSOcap[0] |
| 15:23.25 | Crissi | eth0: dma_rwctrl[763f0000] dma_mask[64-bit] |
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| 15:23.29 | abrotman | !paste |
| 15:23.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 15:23.39 | Crissi | kick debhelper |
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| 15:23.57 | abrotman | you're the putz that pasted |
| 15:24.11 | Crissi | only some lines... |
| 15:24.23 | abrotman | now if only all 850 people would paste .. some lines |
| 15:24.55 | Crissi | yes... |
| 15:25.01 | asg | abrotman: everyone should run '/exec -o cowsay -f stimpy Nummies' |
| 15:25.07 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:26.08 | Crissi | the tg3 is crap |
| 15:26.12 | Crissi | fuck device |
| 15:26.15 | abrotman | mine works fine |
| 15:26.26 | Crissi | i never hat so much fucking hardware |
| 15:26.27 | abrotman | 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5901 100Base-TX (rev 01) |
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| 15:26.34 | Crissi | its crap. |
| 15:26.41 | abrotman | then don't use it .. quit whining |
| 15:26.50 | Crissi | its buildin into the rootserver |
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| 15:27.05 | Crissi | i never will buy such crap. |
| 15:27.10 | patarok | hello! |
| 15:27.12 | Crissi | i'll buy intel |
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| 15:28.01 | patarok | oh yes the weather outside is fine but, please!!! Someones got to help me! |
| 15:28.08 | Haris1 | Bac9: My interface config and iptables rules -> http://pastebin.ca/962162 |
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| 15:28.18 | Haris1 | interfaces+ |
| 15:28.56 | patarok | Somebody around who knows a little bit about the fglrx driver and OpenGL?? |
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| 15:30.15 | Farhadix | is a simple way that after ./configure and make, run it to make .deb package |
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| 15:30.36 | patarok | heeelp! |
| 15:30.51 | Crissi | i think the tg3 driver should be updated |
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| 15:32.21 | Haris1 | Bac9: I see the adsl modem as a probable cause, when its routing, but what about masquerading. When the linux box is masquerading, the windows box should get a response. It doesn't |
| 15:32.22 | cekz | Hi, I would like to have an emulator. I was considering using VirtualBox. But a search for that in synaptics only came up empty, any suggestions? |
| 15:32.34 | patarok | hello! need some help with th fglrx and OpenGL |
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| 15:33.00 | stew | patarok: if you hvae a question, just ask it |
| 15:33.04 | Haris1 | brb, have to finish a few chores myself |
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| 15:33.40 | ohcibi | when i have files with chinese signs in it and i do ls, the signs are not decoded correct (there are these squares instead of the signs), when i autocomplete the filenames with tab in the prompt the signs will be encoded correctly although its the same font.... why could this be? |
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| 15:34.24 | Crissi | tg3: tg3_request_firmware (eth%d): Couldn't get firmware "tg3/tso-1.4.0". |
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| 15:35.05 | ricardokirkner | hi. does anyone know how I can make python 2.5 the default in debian (instead of python 2.4), and how to make all the python packages install for the 2.5 version? |
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| 15:35.21 | ricardokirkner | for example, python-opengl only installs for python2.4, I dont know why |
| 15:35.44 | asg | ricardokirkner: in etch, only a few 2.5 packages are available; 2.4 is more complete. |
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| 15:36.21 | Georgy_ | i am trying to tunnel vnc through ssh. but it doesnt work. i dont know why and have because of that no specific question. can someone help? |
| 15:36.49 | patarok | @stew i installed fglrx and when i tested it (with the motor- scr saver) I saw it was a less slower then the radeon module/driver why is that? |
| 15:36.52 | ravenbird | patarok: that's too long |
| 15:36.56 | ricardokirkner | asg: and is the situation any different in lenny? I am willing to use lenny instead of etch |
| 15:37.12 | asg | Georgy_: ssh -L 5900:ip of vnc server:5900 <machine you are sshing to> ; xvncviewer localhost |
| 15:37.32 | asg | ricardokirkner: I think 2.5 is the default in lenny but don't know for sure; someone else may know |
| 15:37.39 | patarok | i read that the 3d accelaretion is disabled until i compile the driver/module into the kernel |
| 15:37.43 | asg | !info python lenny |
| 15:37.47 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.4.4-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
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| 15:37.52 | asg | hmmm |
| 15:38.03 | asg | maybe not |
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| 15:38.39 | ricardokirkner | mmmm |
| 15:38.43 | ricardokirkner | thanks anyway |
| 15:39.03 | asg | ricardokirkner: I would expect 2.5 extensions to be more supported though so it might be worth a look |
| 15:39.21 | patarok | how do i compile the fglrx for/into the kernel? |
| 15:39.33 | Crissi | interesting after some reloading the crd works.. bu that is crap |
| 15:39.38 | Crissi | fuck network card |
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| 15:40.33 | patarok | how do i compile the fglrx for/into the kernel? |
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| 15:40.59 | patarok | another one: |
| 15:41.29 | patarok | the volume of my alsa is always set to high |
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| 15:43.19 | patarok | and i only can change the volume via the wave controler instead of the master controler |
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| 15:44.22 | patarok | thx for i dont know what! |
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| 15:45.53 | CastingCrowns | Im having problems when I open up my screen saver settings. As soon as it tries to load, my X crashes |
| 15:46.07 | abrotman | stop doing that? check the BTS |
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| 15:47.11 | Georgy_ | asg, ssh -L 5900:ip of vnc server:5900 <machine you are sshing to> ;; ip of vnc server ist the same as machine you are sshing to, am i right? |
| 15:47.22 | Georgy_ | this is exactly what i am doing. |
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| 15:53.53 | DexterF | hi |
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| 15:56.56 | expose | How is that possible? mount -o ro /foo && cp -a /foo /bar/ && diff -r /foo /bar/foo ---> "Only in /bar/foo/..." |
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| 16:00.14 | DexterF | I migrated my file server from slackware to debian etch r3, all fine so far except I can't access samba. I recycled smb.conf and re-set the password for my user on the server to the old passwd, still I get: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE when trying to access it. what am I missing? |
| 16:02.12 | abrotman | DexterF: can you even list the shares? |
| 16:02.38 | DexterF | abrotman: nope, that's what I tried: smbclient -L <serv> |
| 16:02.46 | Crissi | its anb hassle... |
| 16:02.47 | DexterF | asks for passwd, I give it and get the above |
| 16:02.58 | abrotman | DexterF: no anonymous shares? |
| 16:03.09 | Crissi | it seems the tg3 driver works only correctly at >= 2.6.23 |
| 16:03.17 | abrotman | lies |
| 16:03.22 | Crissi | why there is not an actual kernel on etch? |
| 16:03.30 | DexterF | abrotman: no |
| 16:03.32 | Crissi | i read on the net |
| 16:03.32 | abrotman | Crissi: if you don't like it .. change it .. quit whining |
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| 16:03.41 | abrotman | yes .. everything on the internet is true .. |
| 16:03.44 | Crissi | it has worked in sarge!!! |
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| 16:04.03 | abrotman | DexterF: can you up the logging verbosity? |
| 16:04.14 | Crissi | it makes me angry |
| 16:04.32 | Crissi | the production server is currently down for 2hrs... thx debian |
| 16:04.40 | DexterF | abrotman: wouldn't know how. havent been doing samba too much lately, conquered all probs with NFS and sshfs... |
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| 16:05.08 | jelly-home | Crissi: duh, just use a custom (or newer debian) kernel, and report the bugs later |
| 16:05.12 | abrotman | DexterF: is it also a PDC? or just a client fileserver? |
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| 16:05.21 | Crissi | seems now working with 2.6.22-4 and deleting e1000 and e100 |
| 16:05.25 | DexterF | abrotman: only file server |
| 16:05.47 | abrotman | DexterF: does it actually tie into an NT domain at all ? |
| 16:05.49 | jelly-home | Crissi: what does e1000 have to do with your broadcom card? |
| 16:05.51 | Crissi | where is the right place for blacklist? |
| 16:06.05 | Crissi | its seems the drivers are conflicting |
| 16:06.13 | jelly-home | unlikely |
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| 16:06.17 | abrotman | !confuse Crissi |
| 16:06.17 | dpkg | Yes, what was your hamster tomorrow, Crissi? trousers of the democracy of swaziland with extra ham |
| 16:06.23 | Crissi | i add e1000 and e100 to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 16:06.28 | DexterF | abrotman: no, its my private server, all there is are two client machines with debian and kubuntu, now I need a WinXP-VM to access the file server, hence I put up samba |
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| 16:06.53 | DexterF | abrotman: basically I'm all linux here, only exception now |
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| 16:07.10 | abrotman | DexterF: and you did the smbpasswd stuff ? |
| 16:07.20 | Crissi | harr |
| 16:07.22 | Crissi | next bug |
| 16:07.32 | Crissi | my sudoers is killed and a new one |
| 16:07.35 | Crissi | fuck. |
| 16:07.42 | DexterF | abrotman: i logged into the server and gave: # smbpasswd dexter and put in the old password I used in slackware, too |
| 16:08.06 | abrotman | DexterF: as root on the fileserver .. can you list the shares? |
| 16:08.36 | DexterF | abrotman: tree connect failed: Call returned zero bytes (EOF) oO |
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| 16:08.54 | DexterF | wait.... I need to set an smb passwd for root, too, right? |
| 16:09.10 | abrotman | i can't recall .. my samba server is part of the PDC |
| 16:09.23 | Crissi | next bug: apache2 works not correctly |
| 16:09.26 | DexterF | ill try for laughs and set one |
| 16:09.29 | Crissi | htrrr |
| 16:09.34 | abrotman | Crissi: either give us more info or SHUT UP |
| 16:09.44 | Crissi | what a bad picture on debian.... |
| 16:10.01 | DexterF | Failed to find entry for user root. / Failed to modify password entry for user root <- wtf? |
| 16:10.10 | abrotman | Crissi: your constant whining without information does no one any good .. we can't help you, and with your attitude likely wouldn't want to anyways |
| 16:10.18 | simonrvn | oh come on... |
| 16:10.19 | simonrvn | more like layer 8 problem... |
| 16:10.56 | abrotman | Crissi: so unless you have an actual Debian question, keep your comments to yourself |
| 16:11.23 | abrotman | DexterF: what if you start with a new/fresh smb.conf ? |
| 16:11.41 | Igneous | Hey, I've recently switched to debian unstable.. Is there a way to get the nvidia aiglx kernel module to compile? I'm gitting bitched at because aparently my kernel was compiled with gcc 4.1 and I have gcc 4.2 |
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| 16:11.52 | abrotman | DexterF: or are there any other useful comments in the samba log? |
| 16:12.28 | DexterF | abrotman: I guess that's the sanest solution right now. after all, it's only a couple of shares. I did it all on editor on slack, there a preferred way to handle smb.conf in debian? dpkg-reconf, swat,...? |
| 16:12.41 | abrotman | DexterF: i wrote mine by hand |
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| 16:13.03 | abrotman | DexterF: just try an anonymous share first .. see if you can get that going |
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| 16:14.07 | yang | Hm on reboot I get error Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 777. , also directory permissions are different than on my other systems - drwxrwxr-x 4 root voice 4096 2008-01-25 10:19 screen |
| 16:15.09 | ngong | problems to install openoffice.org 1:2.4.0-rc, known issue or some mistake on my site? |
| 16:16.17 | DexterF | abrotman: hah, works now. SWAT wizard. |
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| 16:16.26 | ngong | on Debian unstable |
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| 16:16.41 | abrotman | DexterF: yay! |
| 16:16.55 | abrotman | ngong: it's quite possible .. check the package versions you have versus packages.debian.org |
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| 16:18.37 | Inktjet | What would you guys consider the best tool that can mount & read/write ext3 from Vista (doesn't matter if free or not)? |
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| 16:20.21 | V|ghter | http://www.to-6.net/?id=70179036 |
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| 16:20.39 | pipeline | Inktjet: ext2ifs is a kernel driver to do read-only access |
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| 16:22.18 | rom | hi |
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| 16:22.55 | rom | as KSynaptics has been removed from default repositories, and there is no equivalent, could someone create a .deb of this software ? |
| 16:22.57 | abrotman | Inktjet: i already told you |
| 16:23.03 | rom | cf my post : http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3092754.0 |
| 16:23.09 | Inktjet | abrotman: i closed screen |
| 16:23.14 | Inktjet | sorry, let me know again if you want |
| 16:23.18 | abrotman | !ext2ifs |
| 16:23.18 | dpkg | well, ext2ifs is a Windows NT driver for reading ext2/3 filesystems. http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm |
| 16:23.25 | Inktjet | and also writing? |
| 16:23.28 | Inktjet | I also need to write data to it |
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| 16:23.33 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 16:23.33 | dpkg | explore2fs is probably a win32 utility that lets you read and write (at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs Ask me about <ext2ifs>. able to access LVM2. |
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| 16:23.49 | Inktjet | Hm |
| 16:23.53 | Inktjet | "at own risk" |
| 16:23.59 | Inktjet | not too trusting that :) |
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| 16:24.31 | abrotman | then ask google |
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| 16:24.58 | Inktjet | ok |
| 16:25.00 | Inktjet | will ask hi |
| 16:25.01 | Inktjet | hi |
| 16:25.02 | Inktjet | him |
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| 16:26.24 | rom | ?? |
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| 16:30.20 | ngong | abrotman: I'm used to take aptitude for installation. On openoffice.org ist confuses me now. With apt-get install openoffice.org I get a list of packages with "unmet dependencies". What am I doing wrong here? |
| 16:30.53 | lunaphyte | what's the command that, passed as string such as "/some/path/to/a/file", will return "file"? |
| 16:32.11 | pipeline | lunaphyte: basename |
| 16:32.12 | hark | basename |
| 16:32.30 | hark | ngong: are you running sid? |
| 16:32.32 | lunaphyte | ah, that's it - thanks |
| 16:32.33 | abrotman | ngong: probably nothing |
| 16:32.55 | ngong | hark: yes |
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| 16:36.31 | ngong | abrotman: I can successfully install openoffice.org-core and get the writer with it. Fine. That's one solution. But I cannot install openoffice.org-calc. It tells me that it needs core 1:2.4.0-rc6-1 "but it is not going to be installed", however dpkg -l ... tells me that exactly that version of core is installed (ii) |
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| 16:36.52 | abrotman | ngong: paste this in a pastebin |
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| 16:40.26 | Decepticon | how can i start up processes with my username privs on bootup? |
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| 16:41.03 | ngong | abrotman: may you help me to find a suitable paste URL? |
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| 16:41.32 | abrotman | !paste |
| 16:41.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 16:41.42 | abrotman | Decepticon: su -c .. man su |
| 16:42.01 | Decepticon_ | abrotman: i mean without logging in |
| 16:42.18 | Decepticon_ | do i stick it in /etc/rc3.d/ ? |
| 16:42.19 | abrotman | i know |
| 16:42.23 | abrotman | as a user? |
| 16:42.27 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 16:42.27 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 16:42.47 | Decepticon_ | so i can use cron @reboot then in my own crontab |
| 16:43.15 | ngong | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/52110 |
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| 16:45.09 | abrotman | ngong: aptitude install openoffice.org-calc ? |
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| 16:46.14 | ngong | abrotman: "No solution found within the allotted time. Try harder? [Y/n]" should I type Y? |
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| 16:47.14 | ngong | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/52111 |
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| 16:48.56 | abrotman | ngong: did you check packages.debian.org to see if your sources are up to date? |
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| 16:49.57 | ngong | aprotman: apt-get update, apt-get upgrade? yes, did it before |
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| 16:50.47 | abrotman | ngong: doesn't mean your mirror is up to date |
| 16:50.59 | abrotman | !info openoffice.org-core |
| 16:51.03 | dpkg | openoffice.org-core: (OpenOffice.org office suite architecture dependent files), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:2.4.0~rc6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 38422 kB, Installed size: 108240 kB |
| 16:51.09 | ngong | abrotman: ok, wait, I change the mirror |
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| 16:51.38 | abrotman | nope it's right |
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| 16:51.49 | Abnormal_Serbia | hello |
| 16:51.50 | hark | it's broken right now in sid |
| 16:52.16 | Abnormal_Serbia | i have debian sarge on my vps and i was wonderin |
| 16:52.21 | Abnormal_Serbia | is there any package |
| 16:52.32 | Abnormal_Serbia | that can install apache php and mysql |
| 16:52.38 | Abnormal_Serbia | 3 in 1 |
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| 16:52.45 | Abnormal_Serbia | like wamp for win32 |
| 16:53.44 | Abnormal_Serbia | debhelper |
| 16:53.45 | Abnormal_Serbia | ? |
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| 16:54.50 | xand | Abnormal_Serbia: install them separately, it's not hard |
| 16:55.03 | Abnormal_Serbia | tnx |
| 16:55.11 | Abnormal_Serbia | but i`m n00b |
| 16:55.27 | Abnormal_Serbia | and haven`t installed them ever |
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| 16:55.33 | Abnormal_Serbia | that`s why i was askin |
| 16:55.37 | ngong | abrotman: how can I check that the mirror is up-to-date or at least consistent? |
| 16:55.47 | abrotman | it is |
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| 16:56.38 | xand | Abnormal_Serbia: aptitude install apache2 libapache2-mod5 php5-mysql mysql-server |
| 16:56.54 | xand | er |
| 16:57.02 | xand | Abnormal_Serbia: aptitude install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server |
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| 16:57.22 | abrotman | and you should have the admin monkeys upgrade you to etch |
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| 16:57.58 | ngong | abrotman: ok, both I tried result in the conflict between what writer needs as common and what calc needs - as far as I understand the messages, that is: no Ooo-calc for me for a while? |
| 16:58.07 | xand | Abnormal_Serbia: that command should install it all. |
| 16:58.12 | abrotman | ngong: check again tomorrow or in a few days .. shouldn't be long |
| 16:58.39 | ngong | abrotman: ok, thank you so far. |
| 16:59.51 | lunaphyte | how can i tell dpkg to not print it's headers? |
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| 17:00.20 | lunaphyte | really, my goal is to print a list of all packages installed. |
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| 17:02.11 | hark | lunaphyte: /msg dpkg installed |
| 17:03.31 | lunaphyte | thanks. |
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| 17:08.03 | Abnormal_Serbia | xand |
| 17:08.08 | Abnormal_Serbia | one more question |
| 17:08.18 | Abnormal_Serbia | i installed apache2 on my vps |
| 17:08.31 | Abnormal_Serbia | how can i access it with root user |
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| 17:08.37 | Abnormal_Serbia | i don`t c any folders |
| 17:08.49 | abrotman | see ? |
| 17:08.53 | Abnormal_Serbia | yap |
| 17:09.00 | Abnormal_Serbia | when i do dir command |
| 17:09.02 | Abnormal_Serbia | or ls |
| 17:09.05 | simonrvn | i don't d any folders either |
| 17:09.13 | Abnormal_Serbia | sorry |
| 17:09.19 | Abnormal_Serbia | i won`t do it again |
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| 17:09.55 | Abnormal_Serbia | so can anyone tell me how can i access apache2 folder |
| 17:10.07 | Abnormal_Serbia | btw i installed apache vi apt-get |
| 17:10.11 | Abnormal_Serbia | repositories |
| 17:10.11 | simonrvn | which directory? |
| 17:10.23 | Abnormal_Serbia | how to edit my apache configuration file |
| 17:10.33 | simonrvn | try looking at dpkg -L packagename |
| 17:10.33 | abrotman | /etc/apache2/ |
| 17:10.43 | abrotman | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ |
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| 17:11.02 | Abnormal_Serbia | but when i type cd etc/apache2 it says no such file or dir |
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| 17:11.05 | Abnormal_Serbia | :/ |
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| 17:11.19 | simonrvn | um try adding a / in front |
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| 17:11.54 | Abnormal_Serbia | tnx |
| 17:12.02 | Abnormal_Serbia | and how can i list folder |
| 17:12.08 | Abnormal_Serbia | folders |
| 17:12.23 | Abnormal_Serbia | which command should i use |
| 17:12.35 | Abnormal_Serbia | dir and ls won`t work |
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| 17:13.02 | simonrvn | ls -ld works for me... try man ls for clues |
| 17:13.13 | lunaphyte | /bin/ls |
| 17:13.25 | lunaphyte | maybe it isn't in your $PATH? |
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| 17:14.35 | Decepticon | is there a way to script keyboard sequences so i can get my screen session setup the way i do |
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| 17:15.02 | simonrvn | shell aliases |
| 17:15.09 | Decepticon | such that i can launch the screen and end up with my screen session with its stuff inside |
| 17:15.21 | Decepticon | er... such that i can launch the script and end up with the screen session |
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| 17:17.43 | lymeca | I just ran mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc2 and it seemingly worked |
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| 17:17.51 | lymeca | then I tried to mount it and I get this error: |
| 17:17.51 | lymeca | mount: /dev/sdc2: can't read superblock |
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| 17:20.25 | Decepticon | simonrvn can you tell me a bit more |
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| 17:21.38 | simonrvn | man bash ;) |
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| 17:22.52 | lunaphyte | i've unchecked "Install recommended packages automatically" in aptitude's preferences, but it seems to be selectively ignoring that setting - it's upgrading openssh-server and is insisting on installing xauth, even though it says "openssh-server recommends xauth" |
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| 17:23.16 | TristanB | Hello. |
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| 17:27.29 | abrotman | deadcat: your internet sucks |
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| 17:28.49 | hark | heh |
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| 17:28.58 | hark | lunaphyte: is this etch? |
| 17:28.59 | BenoitH | Hi, Why the last version of Qt (QT4.3) isn't in the etch package ? |
| 17:29.10 | lunaphyte | hark: testing |
| 17:29.21 | abrotman | !tell root____1 about root |
| 17:29.25 | jelly-home | lunaphyte: I think it keeps that setting on a per-package basis now, so if you'd installed openssh-server while it was on, it'd still be on |
| 17:29.29 | abrotman | BenoitH: because etch has kde3 ? |
| 17:29.54 | BenoitH | Hum, I don't know, I'm under gnome |
| 17:29.57 | hark | !info aptitude testing |
| 17:30.00 | dpkg | aptitude: (terminal-based package manager), section admin, is important. Version: 0.4.10-1+b2 (lenny), Packaged size: 2390 kB, Installed size: 7076 kB |
| 17:30.21 | hark | lunaphyte: yeah, known bug |
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| 17:30.24 | lunaphyte | jelly-home: i see - if i used apt-get to install openssh-server, and this is the first time i've used aptitude since building this machine, could that still have happened somehow? |
| 17:30.27 | lunaphyte | ah - got it. |
| 17:30.42 | jelly-home | lunaphyte: no idea |
| 17:31.01 | netdaemon | aptitude + apt-get should be fine after lenny is released |
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| 17:31.35 | hark | lunaphyte: bugs.debian.org/458189 |
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| 17:32.06 | aoeu | whats the name of the package that installs the xfree server and its fonts? |
| 17:32.13 | lunaphyte | hark: ah, indeed - thanks. |
| 17:32.13 | hark | xorg |
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| 17:32.29 | lunaphyte | hark - how did you find that? |
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| 17:32.58 | aoeu | hark, does xorg work with vncserver too? |
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| 17:33.53 | BenoitH | Are you sure abrotman ? |
| 17:33.56 | aoeu | was using oldstable and is doing apt-get dist-upgrade right now |
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| 17:34.43 | hark | lunaphyte: i came across this earlier, while filing another bug |
| 17:34.52 | lunaphyte | hark: oh, ok. |
| 17:35.10 | hark | aoeu: read the release notes, /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 17:36.02 | abrotman | BenoitH: about what? |
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| 17:36.09 | abrotman | !info kde etch |
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| 17:36.14 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:47 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 17:36.25 | abrotman | no help |
| 17:36.31 | abrotman | !info konqueror etch |
| 17:36.34 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 1968 kB, Installed size: 4884 kB |
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| 17:36.38 | BenoitH | abrotman, what Qt4.3 isn't in the etch package because etch has kde3 |
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| 17:37.42 | netdaemon | so how close is lenny to release? |
| 17:37.48 | CharminTheMoose | do packages ever break in testing? |
| 17:37.53 | aoeu | hark, i'm doing the upgrade on a remote machine over ssh. anything i should watch out for? |
| 17:38.05 | abrotman | BenoitH: okay |
| 17:38.06 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 17:38.06 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html |
| 17:38.09 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: yes |
| 17:40.03 | aoeu | ooh, i'm using squid right now |
| 17:40.17 | aoeu | i should probably upgrade my kernel to 2.6 first before going to etch |
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| 17:40.33 | hark | aoeu: don't know, following the upgrade procedure should be the best way :) |
| 17:40.34 | aoeu | is glad he read the release notes |
| 17:40.44 | wfq | hi guys |
| 17:41.03 | wfq | how do you install now mozilla-player plugin with ff3? |
| 17:41.25 | abrotman | how did you install ff3 ? |
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| 17:42.37 | wfq | abrotman, I just copied the code in /usr/local and filled up the plugin folder with the old content in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugin but it does not work |
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| 17:43.03 | stew | wfq: ask #firefox |
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| 17:45.16 | aoeu | why was etch made stable if it has so many issues like the ones in the release notes? |
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| 17:46.28 | wfq | well aoeu, the same as Carla Bruni is the wife of Nicolas Sarkozy and not mine :) just kidding |
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| 17:47.21 | stew | aoeu: which issues in particular? |
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| 17:49.44 | Abnormal_Serbia | how to delete nonempty dir |
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| 17:50.13 | Aleera | I tried to install wine yesterday |
| 17:50.15 | aoeu | like everything in 5.1 |
| 17:50.16 | Aleera | apt-get install wine. |
| 17:50.21 | Aleera | W: GPG error: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 58403026387EE263 |
| 17:50.21 | Aleera | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 17:50.27 | aoeu | or maybe every release has these issues |
| 17:50.27 | Aleera | and seem to get that. |
| 17:50.41 | aoeu | never read release notes before |
| 17:50.43 | Aleera | I get that when I do apt-get update |
| 17:50.50 | Abnormal_Serbia | abrotman ? |
| 17:50.57 | Abnormal_Serbia | can u help |
| 17:51.05 | Abnormal_Serbia | a have a dir with files in it |
| 17:51.06 | abrotman | !tell Abnormal_Serbia about grounding |
| 17:51.09 | Abnormal_Serbia | how to remoce it |
| 17:51.14 | Abnormal_Serbia | remove it |
| 17:51.34 | Aleera | someone tell me whats the issue with this |
| 17:51.36 | Aleera | W: GPG error: http://wine.budgetdedicated.com etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 58403026387EE263 |
| 17:51.36 | Aleera | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 17:51.42 | Aleera | and apt-get update? |
| 17:51.52 | abrotman | !apt-key 6387EE263 |
| 17:51.52 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 6387EE263 ; gpg --export 6387EE263 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 17:52.26 | stew | aoeu: many of the issues in 5.1 involve moving to a newer kernel |
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| 17:52.44 | stew | aoeu: (which delaying the release would not have made better) |
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| 17:53.33 | hoxu | Aleera, I wouldn't recommend using the winehq debs |
| 17:54.17 | Aleera | ah alright |
| 17:54.22 | Aleera | and what about flash? |
| 17:54.26 | Aleera | I tried installing that |
| 17:54.37 | Aleera | and my browser is still acting like it doesnt have it |
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| 17:55.08 | wfq | mozilla-plugin compilation asks me for gecko-sdk, does anyone what debian package I should install to get that? I can see kazehakase - gecko based web browser using GTK+ |
| 17:55.08 | wfq | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.50 | `miki` | hello |
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| 17:56.29 | `miki` | could anyone recommend some good utility to find and possibly "repair" bad sectors on a hdd? |
| 17:56.30 | Aleera | libflash-dev, libflash-mozplugin, and libflash-swfplayer where the ones I installed |
| 17:56.39 | abrotman | `miki`: badblocks |
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| 17:56.43 | Aleera | and still no flash. |
| 17:56.45 | `miki` | debian package if possible |
| 17:56.53 | Aleera | On Iceweasel. |
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| 17:57.09 | streuner | abrotman: wanna here some shitty music? http://80.237.206.16:7620 |
| 17:57.23 | abrotman | oh .. how could i resist |
| 17:57.28 | jelly-home | easily. |
| 17:57.32 | streuner | hehe |
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| 17:58.41 | Aleera | libflash-dev, libflash-mozplugin, and libflash-swfplayer where the ones I installed |
| 17:58.51 | Aleera | and still no flash. |
| 17:59.02 | abrotman | we read .. quit repeating |
| 17:59.07 | abrotman | !tell Aleera about flash |
| 18:00.00 | stew | Aleera: you need to install a flash player. there are two available, the non-free one from adoba dn the gnash, the free one that is in debian |
| 18:00.13 | hook | !tell hook about flash |
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| 18:00.51 | stew | wfq: why are you compiling mozilla-plugin? |
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| 18:01.53 | stew | wfq: 'aptitude install mozilla-mplayer' works fine for me with iceweasel3, i'd expect you to not have to recompile anything to get it wokring with ff3, it should just be a matter of getting the right things into the right directory |
| 18:02.05 | wfq | stew, well I installed mozilla-plugin form debian packages and it placed the libraries.so in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugin so I picked them up and dropped them down in my /usr/local/firefox/plugin but it did not work |
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| 18:02.28 | stew | wfq: does it not show up in about:plugins? or does it show up and now work? |
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| 18:03.01 | wfq | that'sa good question. stew, are you talking about iceweasel3 like firefox3? |
| 18:03.39 | stew | wfq: yes, 3.0~b4-1 |
| 18:04.03 | wfq | but this is on sid and not teting? |
| 18:04.39 | wfq | I am going to check what you said about 'about' |
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| 18:05.28 | stew | wfq: i'm on testing |
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| 18:05.56 | wfq | I am on lenny so I should have it as well |
| 18:06.20 | stew | wfq: no, i'm using an iceweasel pakcage not yet in debian |
| 18:06.33 | wfq | ah ok |
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| 18:08.54 | KR-data | how do I make my debian box shut down at 2.00 every night? |
| 18:09.25 | wfq | stew, well I don't know if it is a matter of re-installing everything or what but it seems to work |
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| 18:10.09 | abrotman | KR-data: you could use a cron task .. but that doesn't seem like a great plan |
| 18:10.15 | Supaplex | KR-data: crontab? halt? |
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| 18:10.51 | KR-data | Supaplex, how do I do that? |
| 18:10.53 | abrotman | will anacron run it if the machine was turned off when that should have executed |
| 18:11.08 | jelly-home | heh. |
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| 18:11.23 | Gryfelhase | Is there a way to max-limit the bandwidth of a task for writing to a usb-devce? |
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| 18:11.37 | KR-data | abrotman, well the box will automatically turn on at 10.00 :p |
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| 18:11.45 | abrotman | it will ? |
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| 18:12.21 | jelly-home | phoenix bios will rise the machine from the ashes |
| 18:12.28 | Supaplex | maybe a 1:30am crontab of: shutdown -pH 2:00 "sleepy time" |
| 18:12.46 | KR-data | abrotman, mine will, bios setup :) |
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| 18:12.52 | abrotman | ok |
| 18:13.00 | Supaplex | pfm ;) |
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| 18:17.28 | KR-data | do I understand that I just need to run crontab -e and then enter "00 2 * * * halt" and then it'll work? |
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| 18:17.52 | KR-data | is that right, or am I off the track? |
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| 18:19.08 | Supaplex | KR-data: you might want 1 am and the shutdown like I posted. it'll give you a reminder and a way to cancel it. halt will immideatly shutdown the system w/little way to change your mind |
| 18:20.06 | KR-data | Supaplex, I won't change my mind, I won't make any system maintenance at that hour anyway ^^ |
| 18:20.08 | master_alvaro | is it possible to run dd (dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda) in verbose mode? |
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| 18:20.30 | master_alvaro | or chceck progress? |
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| 18:21.09 | Supaplex | master_alvaro: man dd, you have to signal it ala kill -sigsomething |
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| 18:21.30 | Supaplex | KR-data: feel free to use halt then :) |
| 18:21.39 | KR-data | yep ^^ |
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| 18:21.53 | abrotman | master_alvaro: yes .. man dd |
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| 18:38.16 | gpm | hey is there a way to make grip rip a loopback device? i have a bunch of wav files i'd like to rip as a CD but i don't have any CDs and i'm too lazy to do the encoding/renaming myself. |
| 18:42.17 | _vvd | configuration of snort starts the snort daemon in the foreground and configuration never finishes, resulting in a "partly configured" snort. any ideas? |
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| 18:43.13 | jim | gpm: you can convert them, if you have the .wavs, you've already riped em |
| 18:44.07 | gpm | jim: yeah i know, but i like how grip automatically tags them and names them according to scheme i like, i'd rather not do all that myself, i could write a script i guess |
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| 18:44.35 | gpm | maybe i could try setting the CD device to the loopback device |
| 18:44.48 | gpm | in grip prefs |
| 18:44.59 | jim | you -could- burn em to a cd then use grip on that |
| 18:45.28 | jim | seems wasteful (of a blank), but it's among the possibilitis |
| 18:45.45 | jim | or you could just convert them and rename them by hand |
| 18:45.48 | master_alvaro | abrotman: i can't find nothing about verbose mode in dd |
| 18:46.03 | master_alvaro | can you help me? |
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| 18:46.30 | master_alvaro | i readed dd |
| 18:46.37 | abrotman | master_alvaro: scroll to the bottom ? |
| 18:46.41 | gpm | jim: ah, but that wouldn't be as fun |
| 18:46.45 | gpm | jim: thanks anyway |
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| 18:47.30 | jim | master_alvaro: you could write a script that divides what would be one big invocation of dd into 100 little ones, and run each, displaying something inbetween (like your custom looking progress bar) |
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| 18:47.45 | master_alvaro | abrotman: ok, thx |
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| 18:48.06 | enouf | gpm: you want to make wav into what? |
| 18:48.14 | enouf | use sox or something |
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| 18:48.16 | ribasushi | hi |
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| 18:48.42 | master_alvaro | but it is possible to check running dd? |
| 18:48.45 | ribasushi | setting up a new deb/testing server today, I noticed that the secure-testing gpg key expired two month ago |
| 18:48.53 | ribasushi | I added it anyway and aptitude does not complain anymore |
| 18:49.01 | ribasushi | is this the way things are or is there a new key? |
| 18:49.03 | gpm | enouf: yes indeed. i want to use the awesomeness of grip to "rip" a bunch of wav files without having to burn them to CD first. i want to do this to avoid manually renaming and tagging the mp3s myself |
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| 18:49.24 | abrotman | master_alvaro: yes .. read the man page .. it tells you how |
| 18:49.38 | enouf | gpm: you coud use an id3 or whatever tool also |
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| 18:49.52 | neiljmorrow | ping |
| 18:50.01 | master_alvaro | abrotman: so should i use ps aux to get pid? |
| 18:50.04 | enouf | gpm: lame will encode them to mp3 |
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| 18:50.05 | master_alvaro | or what? |
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| 18:50.17 | gpm | enouf: i know how to do it by hand, i'm trying to avoid that |
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| 18:50.23 | inazad | hi there... I'm getting an error when compiling gimp for my LFS system... |
| 18:50.28 | inazad | Cannot open directory '/usr/share/pkgconfig' in package search path: No such file or directory |
| 18:50.28 | inazad | Must specify package names on the command line |
| 18:50.28 | abrotman | master_alvaro: good plan |
| 18:50.30 | enouf | audacity will too, but that's GUI |
| 18:50.32 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 18:50.37 | enouf | (uses lame) |
| 18:50.40 | abrotman | inazad: this is #debian .. not #lfs |
| 18:50.44 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know some app which can access DVB-T tuners?? |
| 18:50.54 | HardDisk_WP | I wanna check if the tuner or windoze is broken |
| 18:51.07 | enouf | how is id3 by hand? |
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| 18:52.04 | master_alvaro | abrotman: whats mean "USR1" in kill command? |
| 18:52.11 | gpm | enouf: well, in grip it can pull freedb data so i don't have to label the tracks myself |
| 18:52.17 | enouf | gpm: you could try to setup a filesystem, format it iso9660, cp WAV files over |
| 18:52.20 | ribasushi | master_alvaro: sending a usr1 signal |
| 18:52.26 | enouf | gpm: so can many tools |
| 18:52.31 | gpm | enouf: yeah, i think this is a fruitless endeavour |
| 18:52.39 | enouf | gpm: install cdrkit pkg and read the READMEs |
| 18:52.47 | abrotman | master_alvaro: it tells you exactly how to do it |
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| 18:53.20 | jim | master_alvaro: it's one of many possible signals... man kill |
| 18:53.21 | ribasushi | anyone on expired secure-testing gpg key? |
| 18:53.25 | _vvd | what was the debian package to mail bug reports called again? |
| 18:53.32 | ribasushi | _vvd: reportbug |
| 18:53.35 | enouf | !reportbug |
| 18:53.36 | dpkg | reportbug is, like, used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for debian-installater bug reporting |
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| 18:53.37 | _vvd | ty |
| 18:53.45 | abrotman | ribasushi: you really shouldn't use it for a server you need to be secure |
| 18:53.47 | pgpkeys | afternoon all |
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| 18:54.06 | pgpkeys | hey dead |
| 18:54.25 | ribasushi | abrotman: I'd think you know well enough the stables are useless for anything :) |
| 18:54.27 | Supaplex | checks deadcat for a pulse |
| 18:54.41 | abrotman | ribasushi: i use it on servers |
| 18:54.42 | pgpkeys | that was wry ;) |
| 18:54.46 | master_alvaro | jim: USR1- exit, USR2- exit; so it stop dd? |
| 18:54.46 | ribasushi | abrotman: except for a single purpose site or some embedded environment |
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| 18:55.13 | enouf | master_alvaro: man 7 signal, see SIGUSR1, etc |
| 18:55.31 | ribasushi | abrotman: it's a server/test-platform/remote workstation, but anyway - back to the question :)_ |
| 18:55.42 | synfonia | :) hi |
| 18:56.08 | abrotman | ribasushi: which key are you using? |
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| 18:56.23 | abrotman | ribasushi: the last four characters |
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| 18:56.42 | ribasushi | http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ziyi-2005-7.asc |
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| 18:57.19 | abrotman | ribasushi: uh .. no |
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| 18:58.20 | ribasushi | abrotman: what's the right key then? funny thing is aptitude is actually happy with this key, although apt-key list clearly says expired |
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| 18:58.38 | abrotman | ribasushi: that isn't used anymore |
| 18:58.55 | enouf | pub 1024D/6070D3A1 2006-11-20 [expires: 2009-07-01] |
| 18:58.55 | enouf | uid Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 18:58.56 | jim | master_alvaro: programs (such as dd) can define what they will do when they receive signals |
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| 18:59.01 | abrotman | ribasushi: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main <contrib> <non-free> |
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| 18:59.37 | ribasushi | abrotman: oh... a whole new url |
| 19:00.04 | master_alvaro | jim: so dd won't be a killed, it will write something on standard output and will still running? |
| 19:00.06 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 19:00.06 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
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| 19:01.46 | emx0 | hello people, I'm gonna install windows XP in a machine where is Debian already installed, therefore Win will write MBR and won't boot again, is there a way to rescue debian again, once windows be installed? |
| 19:01.52 | jim | master_alvaro: I invite you to try it... if you really want to wipe it, start the dd as you're suggesting (hope you know what you're doing and what/where you're doing it to) |
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| 19:02.31 | abrotman | emx0: keep a bootCD or boot floppy handy to get into debian .. then reinstall grub |
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| 19:02.50 | emx0 | abrotman, excellent.. I've netinst CD so I will write grub again |
| 19:02.58 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 19:02.58 | dpkg | i guess rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
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| 19:03.11 | jim | master_alvaro: the "exit" you see is the -default- behavior (as if the program did not arrange to do something special in response to that signal) |
| 19:04.02 | pgpkeys | hrmm. anyone else running irssi? isn't it /ignore freenode/#debian JOIN PART QUIT to ignore that stuff if you have 2 networks with the same channel name but you only want to ignore the one network's stuff? |
| 19:04.06 | master_alvaro | jim: dd has been running for 6 hours; now you know why i don't wanna to kill -9 dd? |
| 19:04.17 | Tuv0k | I do realize this is NOT ubuntu, but they can't help with a specific synaptic problem. Where does synaptic get its residual config list from? How/Where do I find it to nuke it so synaptic stops telling me there are residuals, when they have been long gone? |
| 19:04.24 | ribasushi | abrotman: so this is a goner? http://secure-testing.debian.net/debian-secure-testing |
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| 19:04.43 | abrotman | pgpkeys: plural |
| 19:04.43 | emx0 | brb then, thanks |
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| 19:04.46 | abrotman | ribasushi: yes |
| 19:04.58 | ribasushi | abrotman: thank you |
| 19:05.04 | ribasushi | goes around fixing configs |
| 19:05.08 | pgpkeys | abrotman: yeah irssi autofills if you miss the S on the end of the types |
| 19:05.09 | Maulkin | pgpkeys: /ignore -network Freenode #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS |
| 19:05.11 | lymeca | I just ran mkfs.vfat /dev/sdc2 and it seemingly worked then I tried to mount it and I get this error: |
| 19:05.12 | enouf | !8ball did jim guess correctly? |
| 19:05.12 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 19:05.14 | lymeca | mount: /dev/sdc2: can't read superblock |
| 19:05.17 | pgpkeys | Maulkin: ahh thank you |
| 19:05.23 | Maulkin | pgpkeys: /help ignore |
| 19:05.28 | ribasushi | abrotman how about the deb-src for this |
| 19:05.30 | jeremiahzg | can Gnome 2.22 be compiled and ran in Etch? |
| 19:05.32 | ribasushi | ? |
| 19:05.33 | abrotman | ribasushi: isn't one |
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| 19:05.57 | ribasushi | abrotman: um... how come? |
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| 19:06.25 | abrotman | ribasushi: they're in the regular deb-src place |
| 19:06.44 | ribasushi | abrotman: gotcha |
| 19:06.45 | enouf | lynucs: file -s /dev/sdc2 |
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| 19:07.18 | L_Neves | Hi. I'm trying to install KDE4 using the experimental repository, but I get many dependency problems, such as: Depends: kde4-minimal but it is not going to be installed. Any suggestions? |
| 19:07.20 | enouf | lynucs: fdisk -l | grep scd2 |
| 19:07.29 | pgpkeys | Maulkin: hehe appreciated. you're right I should have remembered /help |
| 19:07.46 | abrotman | L_Neves: ask #debian-kde |
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| 19:08.11 | L_Neves | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 19:08.56 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know some app which can access DVB-T tuners?? |
| 19:08.56 | jim | L_Neves: My suggestion is back up your hd before installing that stuff |
| 19:08.56 | HardDisk_WP | something small |
| 19:08.56 | HardDisk_WP | like KDETV |
| 19:08.56 | L_Neves | jim: ok, it is backed up, already. |
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| 19:09.19 | abrotman | is that what xawtv is for? |
| 19:09.23 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: try ##linux (broader channels) |
| 19:09.38 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, thanks, will try it |
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| 19:09.52 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: video4linux? |
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| 19:10.54 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, dunno really what it is, the kernel driver is dvb-usb |
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| 19:11.28 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: /Documentation/video4linux |
| 19:11.57 | enouf | do; /cs list #v4* |
| 19:12.22 | jim | what's /cs |
| 19:12.31 | enouf | short for /msg CHANSERV |
| 19:12.34 | jim | oh, chanserv |
| 19:12.38 | jim | gotcha :) thanks |
| 19:12.45 | enouf | ;-) |
| 19:13.05 | enouf | also /ns and /ms work ;-) |
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| 19:13.24 | enouf | (nick and memo) |
| 19:13.33 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, xawtv -hwscan doesn't list it |
| 19:13.42 | HardDisk_WP | only my PCI tv card |
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| 19:13.54 | enouf | how about hwinfo --help |
| 19:13.55 | HardDisk_WP | is it possible that only one v4l card is possible in one system? |
| 19:14.04 | enouf | how about hwinfo --tvcard ? |
| 19:14.25 | enouf | oh .. see above about v4* |
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| 19:26.17 | Tuv0k | http://pastebin.com/d6acd385b |
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| 19:28.51 | w3rd_ | hey guys question, if i attempt configuring the drives on my systems as raid1 via software raid, i have to config a degraded raid config, i have tried to config through the installer and download a new copy of debian and still get the same issue that the option config raid in install is not available, i was wandering what is the risk to recover from a raid failure if i go with the degraded option? |
| 19:29.50 | keithy | i don't understand your question |
| 19:29.56 | abrotman | Tuv0k: ask #ubuntu |
| 19:30.17 | pgpkeys | i think he's asking will it be able to auto recover if he slips a replacement disk into the raid array (software based) |
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| 19:30.24 | pgpkeys | or will he have to do something special |
| 19:30.44 | keithy | w3rd_, are you unable to create raid 1 in the installer? |
| 19:30.50 | w3rd_ | keithy: i was just wandering i have to perform the degraded install/config of raid1 but if it fails once its live what is the chance for recovering the data... is it still going to be fully redundant |
| 19:30.58 | Tuv0k | abrotman, I have, they are kinda stumped, I figured the real synaptic gurus would be here? Sorry |
| 19:31.25 | abrotman | Tuv0k: ask them, not us ... thank you |
| 19:31.27 | w3rd_ | keithy: that is what i was trying to say, i dont have the option in install to create a raid volume, i even redownloaded to check and see if it was the media that i was using |
| 19:31.39 | keithy | w3rd_ yes you do |
| 19:31.39 | w3rd_ | im not sure why i dont have that in the partitioning options... |
| 19:31.45 | w3rd_ | where is it? |
| 19:31.47 | keithy | http://andreas.scherbaum.la/blog/archives/54-Install-Debian-Etch-on-a-Software-Raid-1-with-S-ATA-disks.html |
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| 19:32.22 | Tuv0k | abrotman, sorry you saw the word ubuntu. were would I find GENRIC synaptic help? |
| 19:32.30 | jim | Tuv0k: often when some people aren't around, others are that could help if you simply talked to them about it... teach them what you know about the problem and they might think of something you havent... in short, participate :) |
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| 19:32.43 | Tuv0k | jim |
| 19:32.46 | Tuv0k | thx |
| 19:32.50 | abrotman | Tuv0k: either #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 19:32.51 | Tuv0k | one to beam up |
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| 19:32.52 | w3rd_ | i was going of this http://www200.pair.com/mecham/raid/raid1-page2.html |
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| 19:33.03 | w3rd_ | its fairly descriptive |
| 19:33.43 | w3rd_ | and has images that point you specifically through to the location in install, i thought i was xrazy cause i have done this before... and i didnt see the option to select and config the volume as raid |
| 19:33.44 | w3rd_ | ? |
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| 19:34.00 | keithy | then i guess the instructions aren't very good, now are they? |
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| 19:34.54 | w3rd_ | hahah well let me take a look at yours... if you dont mind would it be possible to take a look at the link i sent and tell me if they are incorrect for sure? |
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| 19:35.05 | jim | neelix: noo, don't go to that transporter... tuvok is already beaming (BOOM... oops...) up |
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| 19:36.17 | debian-is-me | I just want to get this 100% right, can I share the debian files? |
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| 19:36.38 | debian-is-me | The .iso, with anyone? Even using a bittorrent tracker? |
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| 19:36.50 | Maulkin | Yes. |
| 19:37.06 | Maulkin | Though we do already have bittorrent files if you want |
| 19:37.35 | jim | debian-is-me: you mean: "does debian want you to share"? and if so, yes, they do. |
| 19:37.39 | Maulkin | http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 19:37.58 | debian-is-me | Maulkin: I was going to play with the protocol, see what speeds they get, and if my ISP is throtteling bittorrent traffick. |
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| 19:40.50 | w3rd_ | keithy: i dont have an option for physical volume for RAID when i follow the walk through that you gave me, i followed the directions which are the same as the site that i was following along with and i dont think that there is going to be anything here that i can do... im going to have to install and then use mdadm once i install to config a degraded raid config |
| 19:41.17 | Decepticon | how do i know if i have a font with Japanese character support? |
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| 19:42.45 | ribasushi | what is the correct way to have both testing and unstable listed in sources.lst but make aptitude only automatically chose testing (and be able to select manually a higher version if one so desires)? |
| 19:42.49 | lontra | anyone else running into this error -> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'berkeleydbproxy::DbException' with openoffice.org in testing? |
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| 19:46.47 | Agiofws | hey guys whats the right way to disable nfs in debian |
| 19:46.57 | Agiofws | hi could just chmod it |
| 19:47.01 | Agiofws | ahh |
| 19:47.03 | w3rd_ | hey guys i took a screen shot of the stuff that im seeing on the install when i try to config the drive for raid http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i86/akent813/screenshot.jpg |
| 19:47.17 | Agiofws | i think i know edit the |
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| 19:47.42 | w3rd_ | that is the list of options that i see when ever i try to config as a raid volume... as u can see i dont have that option in the list, any suggestions would be great |
| 19:48.31 | enouf | w3rd_: you really shouldn't ask in many channels simultaneously |
| 19:48.42 | Agiofws | hey guys whats the right way to disable nfs in debian from start up ? |
| 19:48.45 | w3rd_ | hah, hey enouf |
| 19:48.52 | w3rd_ | sometime no one replys |
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| 19:48.59 | enouf | !tell Agiofws about rcconf |
| 19:49.00 | w3rd_ | sorry about that |
| 19:49.36 | enouf | Agiofws: or man update-rc.d |
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| 19:50.25 | w3rd_ | enouf: i have been battling this for a few days as you know i am trying to figure the best way to proceed, i would like to install and config the raid array from the moments of installation but i dont think that im going to be that fortunate? do you have any ideas... |
| 19:50.43 | w3rd_ | trying to make this as simple as possible? |
| 19:51.02 | enouf | Agiofws: for one time? wait nfs? wtf? |
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| 19:51.51 | Agiofws | i downloaded it yesterday and now its starting up at boot |
| 19:52.00 | Agiofws | never liked shit starting up automatically |
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| 19:52.11 | enouf | what was d/led Agiofws ? |
| 19:52.33 | Agiofws | nfs-kernel-server |
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| 19:52.56 | enouf | w3rd_: i don't think your sun netcrap controller is supported, but i could be mistaken |
| 19:52.57 | deadcat | sorry. bad internet. (= |
| 19:53.32 | w3rd_ | but, should that be something that mdadm looks past... this system doesnt have a raid controller? |
| 19:53.36 | enouf | Agiofws: ok, well, do ls /etc/init.d/nfs* |
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| 19:54.27 | enouf | a disk controller is a disk controller |
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| 19:54.57 | w3rd_ | so then, if i can configure the raid config when the system is installed why whould there be any problems in an installation routine>? |
| 19:55.08 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ls -l /etc/init.d/nfs* |
| 19:55.08 | Agiofws | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5942 2007-11-24 19:21 /etc/init.d/nfs-common |
| 19:55.08 | Agiofws | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4411 2008-03-03 18:23 /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server |
| 19:55.21 | enouf | what raid config? what controller? |
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| 19:55.46 | w3rd_ | raid 1, i have 2 drives, no raid controller |
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| 19:55.52 | enouf | Agiofws: /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server stop |
| 19:56.03 | enouf | Agiofws: same for other |
| 19:56.07 | w3rd_ | software raid config only.... do you want me to find the disk controller type? |
| 19:56.08 | enouf | use rcconf |
| 19:56.28 | w3rd_ | r u asking me to run rcconf? |
| 19:56.31 | Agiofws | thats not going to disable after the reboot |
| 19:56.34 | enouf | w3rd_: i dunno man |
| 19:56.39 | w3rd_ | k |
| 19:56.45 | enouf | use rcconf |
| 19:56.59 | enouf | Agiofws: ^^^^^^^^ |
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| 19:57.12 | Agiofws | update-rc.d [-n] [-f] name remov ? |
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| 19:58.52 | gladideg | how do I check who's owner of a folder? |
| 19:59.21 | w3rd_ | ls -al |
| 19:59.21 | amphi | gladideg: ls -ld |
| 19:59.43 | gladideg | thank you |
| 19:59.45 | gladideg | =) |
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| 20:01.57 | roxazer | if i insert a new hard drive into my debian amchine, how do i make that hard drive's filetype, ext3? it is ntfs atm |
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| 20:03.19 | simonrvn | mkfs.ext3... |
| 20:03.21 | DANNX | re hi |
| 20:03.38 | roxazer | simonrvn: mkfs.ext3 /dev/* ? |
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| 20:03.52 | gladideg | when I list owner of a folder, both user and group is listed... drwxr-xr-x 4 john officeusers <- this means that everyone, including john is owner of this folder? |
| 20:04.09 | simonrvn | uh, not that way |
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| 20:04.30 | roxazer | simonrvn: oh, just run that command and then i get a menu or something? |
| 20:04.30 | simonrvn | /dev/whateverthatpartitionis |
| 20:04.34 | roxazer | yes |
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| 20:04.51 | sauvin | It means john is the owner, and group officeusers have r-x perms on it. |
| 20:04.58 | roxazer | if it is /dev/hda i should run mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda |
| 20:05.03 | simonrvn | no you do not get a "menu" |
| 20:05.15 | simonrvn | no, that is the drive, not the partition |
| 20:05.15 | roxazer | ok |
| 20:05.21 | roxazer | okey.. |
| 20:05.23 | simonrvn | man mkfs.ext3 |
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| 20:05.52 | esaym | are the debian mailing lists down? |
| 20:05.56 | simonrvn | the partition is a numbered thing after hda hdb etc. |
| 20:06.02 | roxazer | okey |
| 20:06.06 | esaym | I haven't gotten a message in about 14 hours now |
| 20:06.09 | simonrvn | hda1 hda2 etc. |
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| 20:06.47 | simonrvn | just make sure you get the right one (cfdisk -l /dev/hda) |
| 20:06.49 | roxazer | simonrvn: /dev/hda is the drive, /dev/hda2 is a partition on the drive right? |
| 20:06.54 | roxazer | yes |
| 20:07.14 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 20:07.38 | roxazer | simonrvn: and how do i mount it so it is mounted on every boot ? |
| 20:07.44 | roxazer | and where should i mount it? |
| 20:07.50 | roxazer | im going to have warez on it |
| 20:07.56 | roxazer | files, documents etc. |
| 20:08.10 | simonrvn | man fstab for format, added to /etc/fstab |
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| 20:08.18 | simonrvn | warez? ... |
| 20:08.37 | roxazer | simonrvn: yeah, thats is files etc |
| 20:08.40 | simonrvn | adds another /ignore |
| 20:08.41 | roxazer | that is* |
| 20:08.47 | amphi | filez? |
| 20:08.57 | roxazer | nvm |
| 20:08.58 | simonrvn | i guezz |
| 20:09.22 | roxazer | idk if its a english word, on swedish i can use it |
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| 20:09.29 | roxazer | but it isnt a swedish word |
| 20:09.37 | amphi | meaning what? |
| 20:09.46 | roxazer | files, documents etc |
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| 20:10.11 | simonrvn | cracks of programs, serial codes, etc. ... |
| 20:10.27 | roxazer | simonrvn: :D |
| 20:11.25 | amphi | crackz 'n serialz? wot fun |
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| 20:13.41 | lynucs | imho warez == software hat is prepared to be installed without license :) |
| 20:13.49 | lynucs | s/hat/that |
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| 20:14.10 | roxazer | haha okey, i didnt know that, friends using it as files etc :D |
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| 20:16.34 | kevind23 | is there a one-liner (m-a a-i) for the virtualbox kernel module? |
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| 20:18.17 | simonrvn | kevind23: try it |
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| 20:21.12 | omry | ah, got it. |
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| 20:22.46 | administrator | I just setup a box using two 40GB IDEs. I set it up so that the two are setup for raid, and then created two raids on them, one 1GB raid0 for swap, and a 39gb raid1 ext3 with root on it. |
| 20:23.17 | kevind23 | I need to use su for something, but I need to specify the password on the same line, how would I go about doing this? |
| 20:23.29 | administrator | how can i check to make sure that the raid is actually working? I've booted into linux, installed gnome, and it all works fine, but how do i know that the raid is working? (I only get about 25MB/s when i read from md0) |
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| 20:25.20 | administrator | kevind23: I'm pretty sure you cant supply the password/window 2 |
| 20:25.23 | administrator | oops |
| 20:25.31 | StyXman | hi all. how do I make xoreg detect video card and monitor? |
| 20:25.35 | StyXman | xorg* |
| 20:25.50 | Wyzard | administrator: cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 20:28.45 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: what's this info tell me then? |
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| 20:29.33 | Wyzard | reklipz1: It tells you what RAID arrays you have |
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| 20:30.04 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: ok, so since it shows both, then they are up and running? |
| 20:30.10 | Wyzard | reklipz1: yes |
| 20:30.20 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: can i still test the speed using hdparm then? |
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| 20:30.31 | jjnull | hi |
| 20:30.32 | Wyzard | reklipz1: sure, I don't see why not |
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| 20:30.52 | reklipz1 | ok, well when i test the block devices individually, i get about 23MB for the first drive, and like 50MB for the 2nd drive |
| 20:30.53 | jjnull | I have just installed debian stable, can I turn to unstable or testing? |
| 20:31.08 | reklipz1 | but when i test md1, it's only about 24Mb/s |
| 20:31.11 | reklipz1 | err, Mb/s |
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| 20:31.34 | reklipz1 | jjnull: msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 20:32.14 | jjnull | :O |
| 20:32.34 | jjnull | can I just change the repos? |
| 20:33.06 | reklipz1 | jjnull: sure can, but i think you need to do dist-upgrade with apt |
| 20:33.11 | reklipz1 | or something similar |
| 20:33.28 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: should RAID1 be a faster read than just a single IDE drive? |
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| 20:34.36 | Wyzard | reklipz1: Potentially, but not necessarily |
| 20:35.08 | reklipz1 | is there anyway to test the raid1 then? |
| 20:35.19 | reklipz1 | can i just kill a drive somehow in the os? |
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| 20:35.46 | pgpkeys | physically kill it? doubtful. destroy the partitions and the like? with ease |
| 20:36.35 | reklipz1 | i want to test if the raid1 works |
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| 20:36.44 | mbroeker | reklipz1, shutdown your pc, remove cable connectors from one drive and try to boot :) |
| 20:36.45 | reklipz1 | without actually disconnecting the drive |
| 20:36.46 | reklipz1 | lol |
| 20:36.46 | reklipz1 | ok |
| 20:36.59 | reklipz1 | will the swap still work, since it's a raid0 acrossed both? |
| 20:37.06 | reklipz1 | or will it boot without the swap |
| 20:37.07 | Wyzard | reklipz1: no |
| 20:37.34 | Wyzard | reklipz1: The raid0 will fail to assemble since one of its components is missing, so you won't have swap |
| 20:37.47 | reklipz1 | but will it boot without swap? |
| 20:37.50 | Wyzard | reklipz1: but unless your system is very low on RAM, that won't prevent it from booting |
| 20:37.57 | reklipz1 | mmk, just what i wanted |
| 20:37.59 | reklipz1 | thanks for all the help |
| 20:38.03 | reklipz1 | i'll test it in a second |
| 20:38.20 | reklipz1 | i've got another question queued up, fyi |
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| 20:41.40 | reklipz1 | so, if say a drive does fail, when i stick a new one in, will it rebuild? or will the raid0 eff it up? |
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| 20:44.21 | sussudio | fucking spambots die in a fire |
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| 20:44.59 | stew | eh? |
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| 20:45.04 | sussudio | fruite^looper is spamming me |
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| 20:45.40 | sussudio | bots have been doing it for weeks, and they're not doing it on-join. |
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| 20:57.08 | simonrvn | sussudio: did the same to me |
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| 21:00.01 | enouf | [Announcement about ext3 FS undelete]; not sure anyone's aware, but check this out; https://www.redhat.com/archives/ext3-users/2008-March/msg00013.html |
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| 21:00.54 | abrotman | enouf: i thinik that was a known method |
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| 21:01.30 | ALiENr0x | hi all |
| 21:01.30 | ALiENr0x | someone |
| 21:01.31 | ALiENr0x | can help me |
| 21:01.37 | ALiENr0x | at fix apt-get error? |
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| 21:01.53 | dvs | ALiENr0x: paste the error |
| 21:01.54 | dvs | !paste |
| 21:01.54 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 21:02.09 | ALiENr0x | ok |
| 21:02.09 | ALiENr0x | w8 |
| 21:02.11 | rgrdev | Anyone know what happened to the file linux/version.h in the 2.6.24 sources? I can not compile vmware. |
| 21:02.12 | enouf | abrotman: well, maybe by theo, but most times we tell people; "you're SOL" don't we? |
| 21:02.38 | ALiENr0x | http://paste.debian.net/52130 |
| 21:02.42 | abrotman | enouf: it's always been "if you unmount now you might get it" |
| 21:02.48 | ALiENr0x | dvs: http://paste.debian.net/52130 |
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| 21:03.33 | dvs | can't read spanish |
| 21:03.40 | ALiENr0x | :( |
| 21:03.54 | abrotman | LANG=C <command |
| 21:03.55 | abrotman | > |
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| 21:05.30 | ALiENr0x | abrotman: |
| 21:05.33 | ALiENr0x | is ever in spa |
| 21:05.39 | abrotman | !es |
| 21:05.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:05.53 | ALiENr0x | ye |
| 21:05.53 | ALiENr0x | but |
| 21:05.59 | ALiENr0x | im not from span |
| 21:06.00 | ALiENr0x | XD |
| 21:06.08 | ALiENr0x | is the server that is spanish |
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| 21:06.55 | Benzi | why doesn't openoffice.org recognize my GFS fonts installed from debian packages, e.g. ttf-gfs-artemisia? |
| 21:07.02 | ALiENr0x | dvs: abrotman: without know what is the error can u help me? |
| 21:07.13 | dvs | no |
| 21:07.20 | Benzi | kde recognizes them, but not openoffice, nor abiword, actually |
| 21:07.37 | abrotman | but i'm guessing it's pretty messed up |
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| 21:08.44 | Fubarovic | you don't want the nfs-server to start ? |
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| 21:08.51 | Fubarovic | wow, nm that |
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| 21:11.41 | distatica | Is there a command I can run to see where a USB drive I plugged in is located? It's device name I mean. |
| 21:12.00 | distatica | like /dev/sdc or something. |
| 21:12.06 | Fubarovic | dmesg |
| 21:12.29 | Fubarovic | after plugging in the device, the device name is printed in dmesg |
| 21:13.12 | distatica | hmm.. this is a card reader that's built in, so I don't actually disconnect the reader just the card.. dmesg doesn't seem to show anything new when I insert a new card. |
| 21:13.21 | WolfgangB | /proc/partitions (if you know which were already there before) |
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| 21:13.36 | rgrdev | Anyone else here on 2.6.24 kernel? If so do you have a version.h file in your headers? |
| 21:14.16 | distatica | OH. Nevermind, dmesg is showing it. It's just mmcblk0 and I was expecting a /dev/sd* drive. |
| 21:14.22 | dvs | rgrdev: ./include/linux/version.h |
| 21:14.29 | distatica | proc/partitions revealed that, thank you. |
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| 21:14.43 | rgrdev | dvs: and that is the 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 21:14.58 | dvs | rgrdev: straight from kernel.org |
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| 21:16.27 | Wyzard | rgrdev: Are you trying to compile a kernel module? |
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| 21:18.03 | roxazer_ | i have two partitions on a hard drive i just insert into my machine, how do i make this one partition? |
| 21:18.16 | roxazer_ | it's NTFS |
| 21:18.39 | roxazer_ | and another partition is "Extended" it says, i used it on Windows before |
| 21:18.42 | jonas3 | Anyone know a good USB 10/100 Mbit adapter that the debian kernel has support for out of the box? |
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| 21:18.57 | Fubarovic | roxazer_, with fdisk (and WITH dataloss) |
| 21:19.29 | roxazer_ | Fubarovic: if i run fdisk -l im getting all partitions yes |
| 21:19.41 | Fubarovic | fdisk /dev/<disk> |
| 21:19.42 | roxazer_ | but i want to make one partition on this drive |
| 21:19.45 | Fubarovic | and remove the partitions |
| 21:19.49 | roxazer_ | okey |
| 21:19.50 | Fubarovic | then create a new one |
| 21:19.54 | Fubarovic | and format it |
| 21:19.58 | Fubarovic | but your data will be lost |
| 21:20.07 | roxazer_ | o know that |
| 21:20.16 | Fubarovic | then there's no problem! ;) |
| 21:20.22 | roxazer_ | but u know, im isnt gping to install debian on it |
| 21:20.23 | Fubarovic | just make sure you're working with the right disk |
| 21:20.25 | MoDaX | cfdisk is better |
| 21:20.26 | roxazer_ | isnt going* |
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| 21:21.19 | Fubarovic | how is it better? |
| 21:21.26 | Wyzard | better UI |
| 21:21.31 | Wyzard | more pleasant to use |
| 21:21.34 | fisxoj | does anyone know about getting a built in media card reader to work? I've found things about the sdhci module, but, it doesn't seem to do anything |
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| 21:22.05 | Wyzard | fisxoj: Not all card readers use SDHCI... many are connected as USB internally |
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| 21:22.31 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: you here? |
| 21:22.35 | Wyzard | reklipz1: yes |
| 21:22.36 | fisxoj | Wyzard: then what should I look for? driver-wise |
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| 21:22.47 | Wyzard | fisxoj: Find out what kind of card reader you have |
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| 21:22.55 | Wyzard | fisxoj: Does it show up in lspci or lsusb? |
| 21:23.05 | fisxoj | it's a ricoh one |
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| 21:23.15 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: i removed one of the drives, replaced it with a drive of the same type that had a blank partition table. It started to boot, but halts after this msg: I/O error reading swsusp image. |
| 21:24.39 | Wyzard | reklipz1: Do you have uswsusp installed or something? |
| 21:24.39 | reklipz1 | there is some stuff above it about the raid0 having too few disks, and mdadm failed to RUN_ARRAY /dev/md0: Cannot allocate memory |
| 21:24.41 | sgmadison | i've installed ipmasq and setup dhcp to server my switch, and am successfully getting IPs to all the computers on my LAN - however their not accessible by their hostnames, only IP address - what do i need to change or do to have the hostname resolve to that ip address that dhcp assigns? |
| 21:24.59 | Wyzard | reklipz1: That's the RAID-0 failing to start because a drive is missing, which is to be expected |
| 21:25.08 | fisxoj | Wyzard: it's on the PCI bus |
| 21:25.09 | reklipz1 | ok, how do i tell it to boot without it? |
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| 21:25.34 | Wyzard | fisxoj: Does its lspci line begin with "SD Host controller"? |
| 21:25.36 | Fubarovic | boot a raid-0 with a missing disk?! |
| 21:25.52 | dvs | Fubarovic: o_O |
| 21:25.54 | Wyzard | Fubarovic: The RAID-0 is just swapspace |
| 21:25.58 | reklipz1 | Fubarovic: it's only a swap partition on the raid 0 |
| 21:26.02 | Fubarovic | ic |
| 21:26.10 | Fubarovic | that's superflous tho |
| 21:26.12 | reklipz1 | the raid 1 says it can load with 1 of 2 mirros, so that one is ok i know |
| 21:26.19 | Fubarovic | i thought linux striped swap partitions by default |
| 21:26.27 | reklipz1 | Fubarovic: really? |
| 21:26.32 | Fubarovic | yes |
| 21:26.33 | reklipz1 | then i know how to take care of that |
| 21:26.39 | reklipz1 | just dont raid it |
| 21:26.41 | Wyzard | fisxoj: as in "SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 17)" |
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| 21:26.51 | fisxoj | Wyzard: there are 3 entries in lspci one for SD/MMC/SDIO/MS, one for Memory sticks, and one for xD-picture cards |
| 21:26.58 | fisxoj | I'm most interested in the xD part |
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| 21:27.03 | fisxoj | since that's what I have |
| 21:27.31 | reklipz1 | Fubarovic: that will work, no? |
| 21:27.43 | Fubarovic | sure, why not |
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| 21:27.57 | reklipz1 | ok, now how to remove the raid0 without messing up the raid 1... |
| 21:28.08 | Yarcanox | why do so many apps use newer glibc-versions then debian does? |
| 21:28.16 | Wyzard | fisxoj: According to Wikipedia: "The xD card format is proprietary to Fujifilm and Olympus, just as the Memory Stick format is to Sony. This means that no public documentation or implementation is available. By comparison, the MultiMediaCard and CompactFlash formats are described by completely open and free specifications, and a partial specification for the SD format is freely available." |
| 21:28.27 | Wyzard | fisxoj: SDHCI is for SD controllers, not xD controllers |
| 21:28.28 | Yarcanox | is it debian that uses too old versions, or is it the apps developers/builders being dumb and using too new devel versions? |
| 21:28.31 | Fubarovic | you can just kill the md-device that holds the raid0 afaik |
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| 21:28.45 | Wyzard | reklipz1: Why are you trying to remove your RAID-0 array? |
| 21:29.04 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: because apparently the kernel will stripe swaps no matter what |
| 21:29.20 | reklipz1 | and, if thats the case, if a drive fails, then i will have a smaller swap, not no swap |
| 21:30.15 | Wyzard | reklipz1: "stripe swaps" has nothing to do with it |
| 21:30.38 | Wyzard | reklipz1: but it sounds like it may be seeing the swapspace header on the regular disk partition and trying to use that automatically |
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| 21:30.39 | reklipz1 | well, uswsusp is keeping the os from booting |
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| 21:31.25 | reklipz1 | aka, i'll achieve the same performance without the raid0 (or close to), and i wont have to worry about this problem i'm currently having, and plus, i will have swap space even if a drive fails |
| 21:31.25 | Spieleguru | http://sexy-lena.com/?uid=22035 |
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| 21:31.49 | dvs | abrotman? |
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| 21:31.53 | dvs | ^^ |
| 21:31.54 | abrotman | hi |
| 21:31.55 | Wyzard | reklipz1: oh, I see, your objective now is to have two separate swap partitions rather than a RAID-0 |
| 21:32.05 | dvs | oh nm, he's gone |
| 21:32.11 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: yes, it seems as though that just makes more sense |
| 21:32.32 | Wyzard | reklipz1: yeah, that does make sense |
| 21:32.35 | reklipz1 | becuase the kernel will stripe all avail swap space |
| 21:32.42 | reklipz1 | so, now i need to kill the raid 0 from the install disk |
| 21:32.49 | reklipz1 | not 100% sure how to do that while keeping the raid 1 |
| 21:33.08 | Wyzard | reklipz1: I'm not sure whether that's true, but at any rate unless you're short on RAM you shouldn't be hitting swap much, so it shouldn't make that much of a performance difference anyway |
| 21:33.27 | Wyzard | reklipz1: and why are you trying to fix this from the rescue CD when you can just plug your other drive back in and boot normally? |
| 21:34.01 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: becuase i put it back in another box, and now that requires opening two boxes and swapping twice |
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| 21:35.01 | Wyzard | reklipz1: I'm confused... you built a system with two disks using RAID, and you wanted to *temporarily* disconnect one of them just to check that the RAID was "working", right? |
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| 21:35.23 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: oh, i forgot something |
| 21:35.31 | Wyzard | reklipz1: There's no need to completely remove the drive and install it in another computer |
| 21:35.49 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: the drive i took out was an old deskstar, the new drive is the same as the second one in there, which are newer baracuddas |
| 21:36.03 | reklipz1 | aka, i want to use this drive for production, and not use the old drive at all |
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| 21:36.09 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: sorry, i left that part out |
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| 21:37.03 | Wyzard | reklipz1: OK, so you took out half your array and replaced it with a different disk, and now you want to use that new disk as half the array instead |
| 21:37.15 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: correct |
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| 21:38.02 | Wyzard | reklipz1: Well, you can use the rescue CD to dd /dev/zero over the remaining "half-swap" partition, which will prevent it from being detected as swapspace so uswsusp shouldn't try to look for a suspend image in it |
| 21:38.15 | Wyzard | reklipz1: You don't need to overwrite the whole thing even, just the beginning |
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| 21:39.00 | Wyzard | reklipz1: Once you're booted up, use fdisk to change that partition's type code from Linux RAID to Linux swap, and create partitions on the other drive |
| 21:39.05 | reklipz1 | well, wouldn't i have to use mdadm to delete the raid first? |
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| 21:39.26 | ALiENr0x | hi again |
| 21:39.30 | ALiENr0x | dvs: |
| 21:39.34 | ALiENr0x | the problem |
| 21:39.34 | ALiENr0x | is o |
| 21:39.36 | ALiENr0x | on |
| 21:39.37 | ALiENr0x | dpkg |
| 21:39.44 | reklipz1 | why |
| 21:39.46 | reklipz1 | are |
| 21:39.47 | reklipz1 | you |
| 21:39.53 | reklipz1 | typing one word at a time |
| 21:39.54 | reklipz1 | =) |
| 21:40.00 | Wyzard | !tell ALiENr0x about enter |
| 21:40.08 | ALiENr0x | XD |
| 21:40.16 | reklipz1 | !tell reklipz1 about enter |
| 21:40.36 | Wyzard | !tell reklipz1 about msg the bot |
| 21:40.38 | Wyzard | :-P |
| 21:40.48 | Wyzard | Anyway, no, you don't necessarily need to delete the array with mdadm |
| 21:40.57 | godling | !tell Wyzard about abuse |
| 21:40.58 | Wyzard | The RAID metadata is stored at the end of the partition |
| 21:41.01 | godling | ;P |
| 21:41.03 | ALiENr0x | dpkg: `ldconfig' no encontrado en el PATH. |
| 21:41.06 | ALiENr0x | how i can fix it |
| 21:41.07 | ALiENr0x | ? |
| 21:41.24 | ALiENr0x | dpkg: `ldconfig' no encontrado en el PATH. |
| 21:41.24 | ALiENr0x | dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' no encontrado en el PATH. |
| 21:41.24 | ALiENr0x | dpkg: `install-info' no encontrado en el PATH. |
| 21:41.24 | ALiENr0x | dpkg: `update-rc.d' no encontrado en el PATH. |
| 21:41.24 | ALiENr0x | dpkg: 4 programa(s) esperado(s) no encontrados en el PATH. |
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| 21:41.25 | Wyzard | so if you use dd to overwrite the whole partition, the array is gone |
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| 21:41.35 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: ok, i'll try that |
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| 21:42.14 | Wyzard | (Of course, if you were to put the old drive back in, the system would see the RAID metadata there and try, and fail, to assemble that half of the array, but presumably you won't do that |
| 21:42.15 | nkuttler | ALiENr0x: 1. don't paste here, 2. give us english error messages |
| 21:42.46 | ALiENr0x | no encontrado en el PATH = not founded |
| 21:42.47 | ALiENr0x | ... |
| 21:42.58 | ALiENr0x | how i can fix it? |
| 21:43.32 | nkuttler | ALiENr0x: add /sbin/ to your $PATH |
| 21:43.32 | dvs | ALiENr0x: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:43.41 | Wyzard | reklipz1: Once you've made your RAID partition for the RAID-0 on the new drive, use "mdadm --add" to add it to your existing array |
| 21:43.52 | ALiENr0x | 4.0 |
| 21:43.55 | Wyzard | ALiENr0x: If your error messages are in Spanish, why not ask in #debian-es where people can understand them? |
| 21:44.12 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: you mean the raid 1, as there will no longer be a raid 0, correct? |
| 21:44.20 | Wyzard | reklipz1: oops, correct |
| 21:44.24 | dvs | ALiENr0x: you can't install packages as a regular user |
| 21:44.39 | ALiENr0x | im root |
| 21:44.39 | ALiENr0x | .. |
| 21:45.00 | reklipz1 | ALiENr0x: then that means that /bin is not in your path, or something |
| 21:45.00 | ALiENr0x | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) |
| 21:45.05 | reklipz1 | check your environment var path |
| 21:45.07 | ALiENr0x | :| |
| 21:45.11 | ALiENr0x | mm |
| 21:45.20 | ALiENr0x | how i can change path |
| 21:45.21 | ALiENr0x | ? |
| 21:45.31 | Guerin | ALiENr0x: for english error messages, LANG=C yourcommand; |
| 21:45.38 | ALiENr0x | Guerin: no work |
| 21:45.49 | Guerin | ALiENr0x: try the unemployment office |
| 21:46.25 | dvs | o_O |
| 21:46.29 | Guerin | ALiENr0x: you can change path by running PATH=/your/new/path/here/:$PATH |
| 21:46.35 | Yarcanox | is there a way to run a compiled executable on debian that needs glibc 2.4? |
| 21:46.38 | Guerin | err |
| 21:46.43 | Guerin | ALiENr0x: you can change path by running export PATH=/your/new/path/here/:$PATH |
| 21:47.07 | mbroeker | ALiENr0x, export PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin |
| 21:47.24 | ALiENr0x | ,, |
| 21:47.25 | ALiENr0x | mm |
| 21:47.26 | ALiENr0x | ok |
| 21:47.36 | Guerin | Yarcanox: yes; by installing the necessary version of libc. Try snapshot.debian.net and BTFS. Warning: this is extremely unlikely to work easily and might break your entire system. |
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| 21:47.53 | ALiENr0x | yeah |
| 21:47.55 | ALiENr0x | now work |
| 21:47.57 | ALiENr0x | thanx |
| 21:47.57 | ALiENr0x | :) |
| 21:48.03 | dvs | until next time |
| 21:48.10 | Yarcanox | doesn't really sound like I wanted to give this a try :/ |
| 21:48.27 | Guerin | Yarcanox: if you did, you'd already know you wanted to and wouldn't have to ask. |
| 21:48.48 | Yarcanox | hm I searched for some easy apt-get way, or hoped |
| 21:48.58 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: Debian's "testing" branch has glibc 2.7 |
| 21:49.00 | Yarcanox | something that wouldn't need installing a lib manually which I never did/have no idea of |
| 21:49.10 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda; that right? |
| 21:49.11 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: but as the name implies, that's not a stable/supported release |
| 21:49.13 | Yarcanox | Wyzard and some way that doesn't need an entire new setup debian system |
| 21:49.18 | Wyzard | reklipz1: No, that'll erase your entire hard drive |
| 21:49.25 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb1; that right? |
| 21:49.30 | Guerin | well, there would be an apt way if someone had created a current build of that libc version |
| 21:49.30 | Wyzard | reklipz1: You want to overwrite just the unwanted swap partition |
| 21:49.32 | Yarcanox | why do all those apps use newer glibc-versions as debian does? is there any reason for that? |
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| 21:50.27 | Drk_Guy | Hi guys |
| 21:50.35 | Guerin | Yarcanox: you'd have to ask their authors and packagers. But generally speaking, they're building to the spec their userbase wants, which is probably the bleeding versions of fedora and ubuntu |
| 21:50.37 | Drk_Guy | A friend of mine is having issues with debian |
| 21:50.44 | Guerin | Drk_Guy: ask him to come in here |
| 21:50.55 | Drk_Guy | He cant |
| 21:50.59 | Yarcanox | Guerin and why do fedora/ubuntu have newer glibc-versions than debian does? :-? |
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| 21:51.05 | Drk_Guy | He only has console access for some reason |
| 21:51.07 | Guerin | Yarcanox: ask them. |
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| 21:51.08 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: because they were released more recently |
| 21:51.18 | Guerin | Drk_Guy: tell him to install screen and irssi-text |
| 21:51.25 | Yarcanox | Wyzard doesn't debian update the libs? :-? |
| 21:51.43 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: Not in a stable release -- that's the point of a stable release, that it doesn't change on you |
| 21:51.45 | Drk_Guy | Yarcanox, Debian tends to use the more stable stuff |
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| 21:52.02 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: The next release will have a newer glibc, of course (like I said, 2.7 is in testing now) |
| 21:52.02 | ALiENr0x | mmm |
| 21:52.05 | ALiENr0x | why no work |
| 21:52.08 | Drk_Guy | Yarcanox: That why they have a 6 months release cycle |
| 21:52.08 | ALiENr0x | apt-get install sshd |
| 21:52.10 | Yarcanox | is this the reason why some people say debian is not so good as desktop system? |
| 21:52.16 | xlotlu | lots of join my linux chan spam lately.. |
| 21:52.18 | ALiENr0x | :| |
| 21:52.24 | ALiENr0x | is not in on repo |
| 21:52.25 | ALiENr0x | :\ |
| 21:52.26 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: hopefully i picked the correct partition! i assume hdx1 is part1, and hdx2 is part2. how long should it take to copy 1gb? |
| 21:52.31 | Guerin | Yarcanox: ask people to explain their reasons. |
| 21:52.39 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: yes, people often want latest-and-greatest new-and-shiny stuff on desktops, and Debian doesn't provide that (in stable releases anyway) |
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| 21:52.43 | Guerin | Yarcanox: i don't see how we would know why stupid people fail at debian. |
| 21:52.54 | Yarcanox | no Wyzard but people mostly want apps to work |
| 21:53.03 | Guerin | reklipz1: |<----this long------->| |
| 21:53.05 | Wyzard | reklipz1: depends on the speed of your drive, but not more than a few minutes |
| 21:53.07 | Yarcanox | and now I've come across the second app that doesn't because of that old glibc version :/ |
| 21:53.31 | Guerin | Yarcanox: lemme guess: skype and something else which is crappy must-have spyware |
| 21:53.35 | Drk_Guy | Yarcanox: Then compile the latest version |
| 21:53.39 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: mmk, says No space left on device, so I'm done then, rebooting! |
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| 21:53.53 | Drk_Guy | Can anyone help me, how can i start X from console? |
| 21:53.55 | Yarcanox | Guerin no I think skype worked although I'm not very interested in it |
| 21:53.57 | stew | Yarcanox: if its compiled against a newer libc, it should just need to be recompiled. what is it? |
| 21:53.59 | Wyzard | Drk_Guy: Upgrading glibc is not something to be done lightly, especially replacing it with a non-packaged copy |
| 21:53.59 | ALiENr0x | sorry |
| 21:53.59 | Guerin | Drk_Guy: startx ; |
| 21:53.59 | Yarcanox | I just tested nexuiz |
| 21:54.01 | ALiENr0x | why |
| 21:54.02 | ALiENr0x | bash: sshd: command not found |
| 21:54.03 | ALiENr0x | ? |
| 21:54.10 | ALiENr0x | and apt-get install sshd no work |
| 21:54.11 | ALiENr0x | .. |
| 21:54.18 | Yarcanox | and nexuiz seems to be hard to recompile, because the entire source code is split up for engine and game and zipped |
| 21:54.25 | stew | ALiENr0x: the package name is openssh-server |
| 21:54.29 | Yarcanox | instead of a simple extra-source code download with simple configure/make |
| 21:54.29 | Guerin | ALiENr0x: stop fucking hitting enter between every thought |
| 21:54.29 | ALiENr0x | ok thx |
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| 21:54.40 | |lazy| | hi~ |
| 21:54.47 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: nexuiz is packaged in Debian's testing/unstable branches |
| 21:54.48 | Drk_Guy | !language |
| 21:54.49 | dpkg | hmm... language is a wonderful fucking thing that should be used properly. Every time you hurt grammar, a knoppix user joins. to the scientists language is god |
| 21:54.53 | Yarcanox | and I guess the apt-get version of nexuiz is too old. |
| 21:54.57 | Guerin | ALiENr0x: you don't run sshd directly, you run it from a startup script. /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 21:55.01 | stew | Yarcanox: does "aptitude install nexuiz" not work? |
| 21:55.11 | ALiENr0x | Guerin: yes and do not start |
| 21:55.18 | Guerin | ALiENr0x: so find out why |
| 21:55.20 | stew | Yarcanox: if that is giving you a problem with libc6 versions, then you are doing something wrong |
| 21:55.29 | |lazy| | is anyone driver the BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI in Linux debian 2.6.24-1-686 ?? |
| 21:55.31 | Yarcanox | no stew it isn't |
| 21:55.34 | ALiENr0x | Guerin: the script is there but do not work |
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| 21:55.42 | |lazy| | i try ndiswrapper |
| 21:55.43 | stew | Yarcanox: what is the problem you are trying to solve? |
| 21:55.44 | Wyzard | oh, it's packaged in etch too |
| 21:55.45 | Yarcanox | it's just that I have a dark memory about being the apt-get version just too old |
| 21:55.48 | |lazy| | but it not work... |
| 21:55.58 | Yarcanox | so I decided to download the package from nexuiz.com |
| 21:56.04 | stew | Yarcanox: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:56.09 | Drk_Guy | Yarcanox: Choose an edgy distro then, like Ark |
| 21:56.10 | Yarcanox | stew nothing in particular, I just wanted to know why debian uses an old glibc version :) |
| 21:56.16 | Guerin | ALiENr0x: aptitude search ssh; do you see a package called sshd? |
| 21:56.27 | Drk_Guy | Yarcanox: Debian's release cycle is too slow |
| 21:56.29 | stew | Yarcanox: but you got an answer to that question, right? |
| 21:56.35 | Yarcanox | yes :) |
| 21:56.36 | Guerin | Yarcanox: it's not old - it's curtrent for when the OS was released. |
| 21:56.36 | dvs | Drk_Guy: agreed |
| 21:56.51 | Drk_Guy | dvs: :) |
| 21:56.56 | kspath | Yarcanox: ride the cutting edge and you get cut sometimes |
| 21:56.57 | |lazy| | ? |
| 21:57.04 | ALiENr0x | no |
| 21:57.08 | ALiENr0x | Guerin: no |
| 21:57.16 | Yarcanox | kspath I don't need the newest desktop effects etc, but too old libs can screw up a few programs which need them |
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| 21:57.34 | Guerin | ALiENr0x: right. Because there's no such fucking package as sshd. Perhaps instead of making up package names, you could install the packages which exist? |
| 21:57.40 | stew | Yarcanox: which program needs them? |
| 21:57.49 | Guerin | a modest proposal, I know |
| 21:57.49 | Drk_Guy | Yarcanox: Compile the glibc, or switch to the unstable branch |
| 21:57.52 | |lazy| | bcmwl5: driver installed |
| 21:57.52 | |lazy| | device (14E4:4320) present (alternate driver: ssb) |
| 21:57.53 | Yarcanox | e.g. the nexuiz build :) |
| 21:57.54 | stew | Drk_Guy: no |
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| 21:57.58 | Yarcanox | and was some other program, I think wings3d or something |
| 21:58.02 | stew | Yarcanox: don't listen to Drk_Guy |
| 21:58.03 | n3glv_lap | hi guys |
| 21:58.08 | Yarcanox | hm why? |
| 21:58.10 | |lazy| | i rmmod the ssb |
| 21:58.12 | kspath | ALiENr0x: maybe try apt-cache search ssh or similar |
| 21:58.12 | Drk_Guy | stew: why? |
| 21:58.13 | dvs | apt-get install million-dollars |
| 21:58.19 | Yarcanox | how can I (re)compile/(re)install a lib anyhow? |
| 21:58.23 | Yarcanox | I have no idea how to do that o.O |
| 21:58.28 | Drk_Guy | Yarcanox: As any package |
| 21:58.28 | azeem | Drk_Guy: we don't support unstable here |
| 21:58.36 | |lazy| | and i reinstall the ndiswrapper i bcmwl5.inf |
| 21:58.38 | stew | Drk_Guy: compiling and installing a new glibc on stable is NOT a good idea |
| 21:58.48 | n3glv_lap | I run a bcm 5 series |
| 21:58.49 | Cayn | You never advice someone to switch to unstable in a help channel |
| 21:58.52 | stew | dpkg: tell Yarcanox about ssb |
| 21:58.53 | n3glv_lap | on meips |
| 21:58.54 | Yarcanox | Drk_Guy sorry erm... just download glibc - whereever I can get it; where can I get that btw? - and configure/make? o.O |
| 21:58.56 | Drk_Guy | stew: Whatever you say |
| 21:58.57 | n3glv_lap | ooops MEPIS |
| 21:59.01 | n3glv_lap | works GREAT |
| 21:59.03 | |lazy| | and i type ndiswrapper -l |
| 21:59.13 | |lazy| | it still show that |
| 21:59.14 | Drk_Guy | Yarcanox, a simple google search will make the trick |
| 21:59.19 | stew | n3glv_lap: please to to #mepis to discuss mepis |
| 21:59.29 | |lazy| | anybody tell me why? |
| 21:59.31 | |lazy| | :( |
| 21:59.32 | Guerin | Drk_Guy: and please don't encourage people to replace libc |
| 21:59.35 | ALiENr0x | Guerin: the packeg for ssh is iistalled but when i start the script on /etc/init.d it start but the port is closed... |
| 21:59.38 | n3glv_lap | well, it's a debian core |
| 21:59.40 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: Hand-compiling nad installing a newer glibc will probably break your entire system |
| 21:59.41 | Guerin | Drk_Guy: unles you plan on making right when it all goes wrong |
| 21:59.44 | Drk_Guy | Guerin: It's a good idea to stay Edgy |
| 21:59.45 | n3glv_lap | was not trying to brag up a distro |
| 21:59.46 | stew | ALiENr0x: show us the exact error |
| 21:59.49 | n3glv_lap | or down another |
| 21:59.51 | azeem | Drk_Guy: what |
| 21:59.52 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: unless you're an expert, in which case you wouldn't be asking how to do it |
| 21:59.54 | Guerin | Drk_Guy: no, it's not.\ |
| 21:59.54 | stew | Drk_Guy: stop |
| 21:59.59 | ALiENr0x | stew: no error... |
| 22:00.08 | Yarcanox | Wyzard I guess some programs could stop working because they are compiled against an older version? |
| 22:00.09 | Drk_Guy | Yeah, Edgy FTW |
| 22:00.09 | ALiENr0x | only no open port |
| 22:00.10 | |lazy| | -_-! |
| 22:00.12 | ALiENr0x | do not start |
| 22:00.30 | Drk_Guy | Flame on? |
| 22:00.33 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: No, glibc provides backward compatibility so that's not the main concern |
| 22:00.36 | stew | Yarcanox: you mean they are working one day, and then one day they just decide to stop working becuase the libraries HAVEN'T changed? |
| 22:00.39 | Yarcanox | whatelse then? |
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| 22:00.46 | Guerin | ALiENr0x: if it shows you no error, how do you know it fails? |
| 22:00.51 | stew | Drk_Guy: please keep it on-topic |
| 22:00.58 | Drk_Guy | Ok, stew |
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| 22:01.07 | Yarcanox | stew sorry, don't understand that question :/ |
| 22:01.14 | Yarcanox | Wyzard whatelse if not compatibility? |
| 22:01.16 | Drk_Guy | is a nice e-cityzen |
| 22:01.18 | ALiENr0x | Guerin: see |
| 22:01.18 | ALiENr0x | hs-490:/etc/ssh# /etc/init.d/ssh start |
| 22:01.18 | ALiENr0x | hs-490:/etc/ssh# |
| 22:01.20 | Yarcanox | just mistakes in the installation process? |
| 22:01.29 | stew | Yarcanox: you are saying that something might stop working becuase the libs are too old. I don't see how that would happen |
| 22:01.30 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: The concern is that *everything* on your system depends on glibc, so if it isn't built and installed the right way, everything has the potential to break |
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| 22:01.42 | Yarcanox | stew no sorry, you must have misunderstood that |
| 22:01.43 | stew | ALiENr0x: what version of openssh-server is installed? |
| 22:01.52 | Yarcanox | Wyzard but in case I do it right it is going to work? |
| 22:01.58 | stew | 18:00 < Yarcanox> Wyzard I guess some programs could stop working because they are compiled against an older version? |
| 22:01.59 | Guerin | ALiENr0x: output of dpkg -l |grep ssh ; on paster |
| 22:02.03 | stew | Yarcanox: what did you mean by that ? |
| 22:02.11 | |lazy| | help! |
| 22:02.16 | Guerin | |lazy|: help yourself. |
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| 22:02.23 | |lazy| | ... |
| 22:02.23 | Yarcanox | stew I meant that e.g. Xorg will stop working because the new glibc-version doesn't provide the exact function the older version did |
| 22:02.31 | Wyzard | stew: He was asking why I said a custom build of glibc can break a system |
| 22:02.33 | ALiENr0x | Guerin: openssh server is 4.3p2-9 |
| 22:02.35 | Yarcanox | lack of backwards compatibility |
| 22:02.35 | |lazy| | i tiyed... |
| 22:02.39 | ALiENr0x | stew: 4.3p2-9 |
| 22:02.39 | Drk_Guy | Yarcanox: That's unprolly |
| 22:02.41 | |lazy| | =_= |
| 22:02.47 | Guerin | |lazy|: put your entire problem on one line, and whatever you think might be the problem. |
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| 22:03.02 | andriijas | anyone who knows how to tacle this: mount.nfs: mount to NFS server 'localhost' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered |
| 22:03.04 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: Yes, it could be made to work, but glibc is not trivial to build and install correctly |
| 22:03.07 | |lazy| | i googled the problerm... |
| 22:03.08 | Yarcanox | Drk_Guy yes Wyzard has already made that clear :) |
| 22:03.13 | Yarcanox | hm |
| 22:03.15 | stew | Wyzard: so when he said "old libs" he meant "new glibc"? i don't get it |
| 22:03.21 | Guerin | ALiENr0x: go through the `troubleshooting' section of the tldp.org NFS howto. |
| 22:03.22 | Drk_Guy | andriijas: Try renisntalling the driver |
| 22:03.23 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:03.30 | Guerin | andriijas: go through the `troubleshooting' section of the tldp.org NFS howto. |
| 22:03.31 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: It's not just configure/make/make install |
| 22:03.35 | Yarcanox | stew it was just general speech |
| 22:03.40 | Guerin | andriijas: it covers this problem in excruciating detail. |
| 22:03.51 | Drk_Guy | Sorry andriijas, i thought it was NTFS |
| 22:03.55 | Yarcanox | it was about the general concept of programs not working because the lib is too new for them and they are relying on an older function |
| 22:04.05 | Yarcanox | I just wanted to know if this is the problem with updating glibc too, stew |
| 22:04.05 | Wyzard | stew: He was asking whether things compiled against glibc 2.3 would fail to work with 2.7 (i.e. guessing, incorrectly) |
| 22:04.06 | Yarcanox | now clear? :) |
| 22:04.10 | andriijas | Guerin: cool. because i googled it to death |
| 22:04.35 | Drk_Guy | Cool, DreamScene updates are 99% downloaded |
| 22:04.38 | Drk_Guy | :) |
| 22:04.49 | Yarcanox | Wyzard I didn't really expect that for a lib, I'm now going to read about it :) did a google search and the first one is a very interesting article that covers the install process |
| 22:04.59 | Yarcanox | I'll backup my data in case I try it, I promise =P |
| 22:05.03 | stew | Yarcanox: the problem updting glibc is that the symbols in libc are not versioned and pretty much every binary program in debian is compiled against these non-versioned symbols. this is one place where you should be trusting the people packaging the software and not try to subvert the dendency information they are providing for you |
| 22:05.07 | Drk_Guy | Is there anyhting like DreamScene for Debian? |
| 22:05.12 | Yarcanox | ah |
| 22:05.25 | Yarcanox | stew so the jump points of the libs functions can change? |
| 22:05.26 | Wyzard | I thought glibc does use versioned symbols? |
| 22:05.29 | Yarcanox | and the programs fail to access them? |
| 22:05.30 | Guerin | Drk_Guy: what does dreamscene do? |
| 22:05.46 | Yarcanox | hm |
| 22:06.04 | Drk_Guy | Guerin: It's a vista feature |
| 22:06.11 | kspath | omg |
| 22:06.12 | Yarcanox | stew It's not that I do not trust the packagers, but I don't think the way they packaged it is the only one to do it |
| 22:06.12 | dvs | yuck! |
| 22:06.14 | Drk_Guy | Guerin: It plays a vid as wallpaper |
| 22:06.18 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: Assuming by "jump points" you mean addresses, that's not a problem because they're looked up by name |
| 22:06.20 | Guerin | Drk_Guy: it's a buzzword buzzword. SPeak english, for fuck's sakes. |
| 22:06.20 | Yarcanox | Wyzard would be interesting to know that o.O |
| 22:06.21 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: added the drive, now it's rebuiding the new hda1, woot |
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| 22:06.26 | Guerin | oh. |
| 22:06.28 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: but a function can behave slightly differently in the new version than the old |
| 22:06.34 | Guerin | Drk_Guy: mplayer can do that |
| 22:06.39 | Yarcanox | symbols are addresses, aren't they? |
| 22:06.50 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: Symbols are names used to look up addresses |
| 22:06.54 | Drk_Guy | Guerin: mPlayer? |
| 22:06.55 | Drk_Guy | O.o |
| 22:07.07 | Yarcanox | ah hm yes. now do they change in newer glibc versions or not? :-? |
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| 22:07.26 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: for some reason though, when i tried to boot after dd /dev/zero to the swap, it still gave the uswpusp error, and wouldnt boot. i think if i delete the md0 (raid0) device, it may help, becuase it's still trying to assemble that as well |
| 22:07.35 | azeem | Yarcanox: what are you trying to do anyway? |
| 22:07.40 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: Symbol versioning is a feature by which a library can contain both a new and an old version of a function (i.e. at two different addresses) and which one is "found", when the symbol is looked up, depends on the version the program was linked against |
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| 22:07.58 | Yarcanox | azeem probably update glibc in case it's possible |
| 22:07.59 | kspath | Drk_Guy: So Vista is a gaming console environment for 5,000-10,000 USD machines? |
| 22:08.11 | azeem | Yarcanox: why? |
| 22:08.13 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: That is, programs built against the old version will look up symbol foo and get the old implementation, but programs built against the newer version will look up that same symbol foo and get the new implementation |
| 22:08.24 | Yarcanox | ah hm |
| 22:08.26 | Guerin | andriijas: so he can run a game which is already in deabin. |
| 22:08.30 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:08.32 | Guerin | azeem: |
| 22:08.54 | Akuw | what is the best documentation to read about debian ? |
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| 22:09.06 | kspath | Akuw www.debian.org |
| 22:09.11 | Guerin | azeem: The Debian System by Martin F Krafft is reputedly excellent |
| 22:09.15 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:09.20 | Guerin | i fail at irc |
| 22:09.21 | kspath | Guerin TRUE |
| 22:09.39 | kspath | Guerin: I love that book. |
| 22:09.45 | rahul | even kspath thinks you fail at irc |
| 22:09.47 | Akuw | ok |
| 22:09.48 | rahul | you must really suck |
| 22:09.49 | Akuw | thanks |
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| 22:09.53 | rahul | :) |
| 22:09.58 | Guerin | i've not read it, since i have too much on me reading list already |
| 22:10.04 | Guerin | rahul: long time |
| 22:10.08 | rahul | yeah |
| 22:10.11 | rahul | and short time here |
| 22:10.14 | Drk_Guy | leaves |
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| 22:10.20 | rahul | my friends are already sound checking |
| 22:10.25 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: Anyway, I thought glibc did have versioned symbols, though I could be wrong about that, but that's not really the risk I had in mind |
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| 22:11.22 | rahul | three freaking thousand people |
| 22:11.34 | kspath | ? |
| 22:11.34 | rahul | they're gonna shit their pants when they see all those people in the audience |
| 22:11.43 | Yarcanox | azeem nexuiz' version on debian is too old |
| 22:11.47 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: I've compiled glibc before (on an LFS system, not in Debian like you're talking about) so I know a bit about the process... there are some additional modules which have to be manually added into the build, most notably a threading implementation |
| 22:11.50 | Yarcanox | can't connect to the servers, seeing a long list of "blubb command unknown" |
| 22:11.52 | azeem | rahul: please keep it on topic |
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| 22:11.56 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: leaving that out, or using the wrong one, will break things |
| 22:11.56 | kspath | Yarcanox too old for what? |
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| 22:12.12 | Yarcanox | as I said, too old to join the servers |
| 22:12.16 | kspath | Yarcanox: check backports |
| 22:12.18 | rahul | ok, then |
| 22:12.21 | Yarcanox | which means practically I can't play the game |
| 22:12.27 | kspath | Yarcanox: check backports |
| 22:12.31 | Yarcanox | backports? |
| 22:12.36 | rahul | backports. |
| 22:12.36 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: and glibc actually consists of several libraries, not just libc.so.6, and there may be several versions built for different kinds of CPU, and they have to be installed in a certain directory hierarchy |
| 22:12.43 | rahul | !backport |
| 22:12.43 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 22:13.07 | stew | Yarcanox: what is wrong with backporting it like i suggested? |
| 22:13.19 | Yarcanox | backporting waht? glibc or nexuiz? |
| 22:13.24 | stew | Yarcanox: nexuiz |
| 22:13.27 | azeem | nexuiz of course |
| 22:13.31 | rahul | the program you want to run... |
| 22:13.32 | kspath | Yarcanox: focus |
| 22:13.32 | Wyzard | Yarcanox: There's a lot more to glibc than replacing one .so file with a newer version... and like I said, literally *everything* on your system depends on it |
| 22:13.55 | Yarcanox | ah you're talking about compile it with the old glibc |
| 22:14.04 | stew | Yarcanox: backporing nexuiz is basically just recompiling the newer package against your libs so it depends on your libs instead of the libs from testin/unstable |
| 22:14.05 | Guerin | the penny drops! |
| 22:14.07 | stew | Yarcanox: yes |
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| 22:14.31 | azeem | Yarcanox: unless you're doing glibc programming, there's absolutely no reason to build glibc yourself |
| 22:14.44 | Yarcanox | might be easier than installing a new glibc version, indeed :) |
| 22:14.52 | kspath | hehehehe |
| 22:14.53 | azeem | it's at least not impossible |
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| 22:15.10 | kspath | azeem++ |
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| 22:17.51 | TbbW | anyone know how to add a smtp relay in debian etch ? |
| 22:18.09 | TbbW | so i can use my isp's smtp relay when sending mail |
| 22:18.31 | Wyzard | TbbW: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 22:18.35 | Wyzard | TbbW: Choose the "smarthost" option |
| 22:18.40 | Wyzard | TbbW: smarthost == relay |
| 22:19.05 | TbbW | aaah :) |
| 22:19.18 | TbbW | thanks Wyzard :) |
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| 22:27.57 | karmatronic | hi |
| 22:28.17 | karmatronic | do you know which package in debian contains the menu for graphical shutdown in gnome ? |
| 22:28.20 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: ok, i've successfully rebuilt the raid1, now time to restart |
| 22:30.06 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: it's still trying to build md0, and failing to assemble all arrays becuase there are no devices for md0. |
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| 22:31.09 | reklipz1 | also, after mdadm stuff stops, this shows: Begin: Running /scripts/local-premount ... --- kinit: name_to_dev_t(/dev/md0) = md0(9,0) --- kinit: trying to resume from /dev/md0 --- Attempting manual resume --- I/O error reading swsusp image. |
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| 22:31.15 | reklipz1 | then it hangs |
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| 22:33.05 | Wyzard | reklipz1: Look for an "ARRAY /dev/md0" line in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 22:33.16 | Wyzard | reklipz1: Remove it if it's there, but that shouldn't make a difference |
| 22:33.32 | Wyzard | reklipz1: Trying and failing to assemble md0 is no different from not trying in the first place |
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| 22:34.08 | Wyzard | reklipz1: The problem seems to be that swsusp is trying to look at /dev/md0 an /dev/md0 does not exist (it'd only exist if there were an assembled array there) |
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| 22:39.17 | w3rd_ | how do you format a drive with fdisk if you cant open the drive to delete the configuration? |
| 22:40.41 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: that sounds right, now i've got to figure out how to config uswusp |
| 22:41.26 | Wyzard | reklipz1: I've never used it, but there may be an option you can put on the kernel options line to "skip" the resume attempt |
| 22:41.37 | Wyzard | w3rd_: What do you mean by "can't open the drive" ? |
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| 22:42.50 | w3rd_ | when i use fdisk -l i get a and md0 config on the drive... i just deleted all the configurations on a new install how would it me hanging on to an old array flag, when i try fdisk /dev/md0 it says unable to open? |
| 22:42.58 | w3rd_ | 'a and' = an* |
| 22:43.16 | w3rd_ | me = be* |
| 22:43.19 | Wyzard | w3rd_: You don't use fdisk on a RAID array |
| 22:43.29 | w3rd_ | what would you use? |
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| 22:43.40 | w3rd_ | how would it even be there? |
| 22:43.41 | Wyzard | a filesystem |
| 22:44.04 | w3rd_ | i thought that if i deleted with partman in install there would be now configurations on the drive ? |
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| 22:44.06 | Wyzard | It's possible to create partitionable RAID arrays in Linux, actually, but it's not commonly done, and I don't think that's what you're trying to do |
| 22:44.16 | w3rd_ | no its not |
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| 22:45.27 | Wyzard | What "configurations" are you referring to? |
| 22:45.28 | w3rd_ | im actually having to do a degraded raid 1 config, i would have configure in the install but i have some issues with my disk controller not being supported so i dont have the option to config... now it appears that the settings that i had configured were deleted are still hung some how |
| 22:45.43 | w3rd_ | well ie /dev/md0 |
| 22:45.52 | w3rd_ | why is that still listed in the partition table |
| 22:45.54 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 22:46.04 | Wyzard | It isn't |
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| 22:46.12 | w3rd_ | but i see it there... |
| 22:46.16 | Wyzard | /dev/md0 is not a partition and has nothing to do with a disk's partition table |
| 22:46.36 | Wyzard | You're using confusing terms for things and therefore not making much sense |
| 22:46.44 | w3rd_ | what is fdisk -l print out then... isnt that the partition table per slice |
| 22:47.03 | w3rd_ | sorry if i am... i dont know how to really explain ... |
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| 22:47.16 | Wyzard | "fdisk -l" scans your block devices looking for partition tables |
| 22:47.20 | Deformati | Can etch packages be installed on lenny? |
| 22:47.27 | Wyzard | Are you talking about a message like "Disk /dev/md0 doesn't contain a valid partition table"? |
| 22:47.41 | w3rd_ | ill pastebin |
| 22:48.01 | Wyzard | and btw, "slice" is a term related to disk partitioning, but Linux doesn't have "slices" so that's a confusing term too |
| 22:48.24 | Wyzard | BSD systems use the word "slice" to refer to what Linux and Windows call a "partition" |
| 22:48.39 | Wyzard | and BSD systems use the word "partition" to mean something else that doesn't really have a direct analogue in Linux |
| 22:48.46 | w3rd_ | http://rafb.net/p/5dZMIj32.html |
| 22:49.29 | Wyzard | That looks like you did create a partitionable array, with a partition table on it |
| 22:49.38 | w3rd_ | i know |
| 22:49.42 | w3rd_ | but i just reinstalled |
| 22:49.43 | Deformati | Can etch packages be installed on lenny? |
| 22:49.45 | w3rd_ | and deleted everything |
| 22:49.59 | w3rd_ | Deformati: idk |
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| 22:50.10 | Wyzard | Deformati: If their dependencies are satisfied, sure |
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| 22:50.28 | Deformati | Will apt act all weird if I put a etch repository in it's list? |
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| 22:50.41 | Wyzard | Deformati: Some packages in lenny are the same ones as in etch, because there's been no new version made for lenny |
| 22:50.51 | Wyzard | Deformati: but generally if there's a newer version built for lenny, you should use that |
| 22:51.08 | Deformati | Wyzard, They removed waimea as far as I can tell. |
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| 22:51.27 | Wyzard | Deformati: Putting an etch source on a lenny system shouldn't break anything -- apt will use lenny versions of packages because they're newer |
| 22:51.36 | susanne-- | i'm trying to get apache going with name-based virtual hosting. sample config: http://pastebin.com/m48fb2c22 ... I have several of these sorts of hosts, all configured identically except for path and logname. But Apache always fall through to a default (that is NOT 000-default). Where do I look? |
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| 22:51.45 | Deformati | Cool, thanks. |
| 22:51.56 | Wyzard | w3rd_: so you're saying that you tried to remove your RAID array using partman, but it still exists |
| 22:52.02 | w3rd_ | yah |
| 22:52.05 | w3rd_ | i just reinstalled |
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| 22:53.01 | reklipz1 | Wyzard: figured it out: remove line (REMOVE=/dev/md0) from /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume |
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| 22:53.16 | w3rd_ | i was hoping that if i downloaded a different version of debian that i would be able to use partman to config raid from install however no luck, leaving my controller in these old sparc servers to be the only issue... so i just installed from scratch and that is what came up with fdisk-l |
| 22:54.15 | w3rd_ | what im wandering is how is that even possible? |
| 22:54.31 | w3rd_ | wouldnt formatting delete any remaining configuration? |
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| 22:55.46 | Wyzard | w3rd_: I don't think partman supports creating a degraded array |
| 22:55.54 | w3rd_ | it doesnt |
| 22:56.13 | Wyzard | w3rd_: though you could create one manually (Alt-F2 in the installer to get a shell) and partman should see it |
| 22:56.37 | w3rd_ | as far as i understand partman support raid with mdadm, however i guess the controller isnt being detected er something... |
| 22:56.39 | w3rd_ | wait |
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| 22:56.59 | w3rd_ | so your saying... that if i drop to a shell that i can create a raid array manually and it will be fine? |
| 22:57.20 | w3rd_ | why wont it do that via the text based install? |
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| 22:57.49 | Wyzard | Creating a degraded array during OS installation is probably an uncommon enough thing to do that nobody felt it was wort the effort of adding support for it in partman |
| 22:57.56 | lunaphyte | what is your guys' opinions of upstart? |
| 22:58.39 | Wyzard | lunaphyte: Seems interesting in principle, but I've never looked into it or tried it on a Debian system |
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| 22:58.54 | lunaphyte | same here. |
| 22:58.55 | Wyzard | lunaphyte: Seems to work well enough in Ubuntu though |
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| 22:59.11 | w3rd_ | Wyzard: my concern is going through the whole install process again to sustain possible chance that it will work... |
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| 22:59.21 | w3rd_ | might not be worth it |
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| 22:59.43 | w3rd_ | the degraded raid can be configured from an installed and working file system correct? |
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| 22:59.49 | lunaphyte | it looks like the debian folks aren't thumbing their noses at it, at least, since it's in experimental. |
| 22:59.54 | Wyzard | w3rd_: yes |
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| 23:00.21 | w3rd_ | so if that is the case... is there another way to remove the md0 config from my fdisk-l output? |
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| 23:02.55 | Wyzard | w3rd_: mdadm --remove, mdadm --zero-superblock |
| 23:03.28 | Wyzard | leaves for food |
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| 23:04.54 | w3rd_ | Wyzard: ty |
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| 23:11.45 | lunaphyte | this is retarded - why will apt-get not let me have 2 imap servers installed? |
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| 23:19.38 | magyar | hello |
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| 23:20.26 | mactaylor | is debian bleeding edge where it will have all the latest software? |
| 23:21.09 | magyar | need help with 2.6.24. The kernel seem to place the USB storage before SATA IDE storage. How can i fix it in initramfs and why is this an inheretant issue with linux kernel? |
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| 23:24.32 | JohnRobert_ | here's a bit of a noob question, but is there an easy way to have a multi-line string in bash without having to escape the newlines with \ ? |
| 23:24.38 | magyar | never seen it being so quite |
| 23:24.49 | JohnRobert_ | EOF << or something...iirc |
| 23:25.51 | magyar | JohnRobert_: thats more of a #bash question |
| 23:25.53 | Madd_Matt | JohnRobert_, if you do "command << STRING" it'll send your input as stdin until STRING |
| 23:25.54 | MoDaX | JohnRobert_: <<SOMESTRING |
| 23:26.02 | Madd_Matt | JohnRobert_, you could also just use quotes. |
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| 23:26.48 | MoDaX | then finish it with SOMESTRING as the single word in the final line |
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| 23:27.08 | JohnRobert_ | ta |
| 23:27.11 | Deformative | How do I get opera on powerpc lenny? |
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| 23:27.59 | MoDaX | Deformative: see if opera.com provides powerpc binaries |
| 23:28.49 | Deformative | Ah, yep. |
| 23:28.51 | Deformative | Thanks. |
| 23:28.59 | Deformative | Is there a way to add it to apt? |
| 23:29.20 | Deformative | Never mind, found that too. |
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| 23:31.31 | naiv | anyone did use XInclude ? |
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| 23:33.09 | dserban | is there a gtk channel? or can I ask someone familiar with the inner workings of gnome something gtk specific here? |
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| 23:35.07 | Deformative | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.11 | Deformative | Gah |
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| 23:36.12 | netdaemon | 70 or 80 characters to wrap for programs? |
| 23:36.19 | netdaemon | i cant decide |
| 23:36.23 | netdaemon | which is "standard" |
| 23:36.24 | netdaemon | lol |
| 23:36.32 | Spida | netdaemon: for what? |
| 23:36.57 | netdaemon | well i'm editing source code, c/c++, python, and ruby |
| 23:37.14 | netdaemon | i'm wondering which is more universal to wrap at |
| 23:37.19 | Spida | netdaemon: and you want a maximum line length? |
| 23:37.23 | netdaemon | yep |
| 23:37.28 | Spida | netdaemon: I am using something aroud 200 chars |
| 23:37.33 | netdaemon | wtf |
| 23:37.33 | netdaemon | lol |
| 23:37.39 | netdaemon | i must be thinking old school |
| 23:38.02 | netdaemon | ok a better question.... |
| 23:38.04 | Spida | use a display with more that 800*600, and you'll see. |
| 23:38.07 | Spida | MORE. |
| 23:38.19 | Spida | :-) |
| 23:38.24 | netdaemon | say this person is opening in a non-frame buffered console |
| 23:38.42 | netdaemon | how many characters on one line? |
| 23:38.55 | Spida | netdaemon: then he'll has to decide either to scroll or to set his editor to wrap it for him |
| 23:39.01 | netdaemon | hmmm |
| 23:39.08 | Spida | nmp. |
| 23:39.13 | Spida | (not my problem) |
| 23:39.17 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 23:41.04 | Spida | netdaemon: in the end, it boils down to either scrolling horizontally or vertically to get the same content on the screen. |
| 23:41.24 | netdaemon | Spida, ah well i'm trying to eliminate that if possible =) |
| 23:41.34 | netdaemon | mainly horizonal scroll |
| 23:41.42 | Spida | then don't use a non-fb console |
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| 23:42.05 | Spida | use an editor thats can virtually wrap lines like vim |
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| 23:43.12 | netdaemon | aha...standard tty is 80 characters =) |
| 23:43.18 | anaoum | is it possible to create user aliases?? |
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| 23:47.26 | soto | How do I recreate /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin? |
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| 23:50.32 | Madd_Matt | anaoum, you mean like bash aliases? Sure. Just put them in your .bash_profile or something. |
| 23:50.59 | anaoum | Madd_Matt: nope, actual user aliases? |
| 23:51.19 | Madd_Matt | Oh! Like, log in as "bob" or "steve" and have essentially the same user |
| 23:51.20 | anaoum | Madd_Matt: ie, say i have a user "andrew", but i also want to be able to login as "anaoum" |
| 23:51.34 | anaoum | yeh |
| 23:51.45 | Madd_Matt | You could try making two entries in /etc/passwd |
| 23:51.47 | Madd_Matt | with the same UID |
| 23:51.51 | Madd_Matt | And see what happens :-P |
| 23:52.11 | Madd_Matt | I've heard of doing something like that to allow multiple root passwords on a machine. |
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| 23:53.55 | Madd_Matt | anaoum, yep, that worked for me. |
| 23:54.10 | Madd_Matt | anaoum, I copied my user1 line, changed the username. did the same in /etc/shadow |
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| 23:55.03 | distatica | What does debian use for the curses interface when installing? And is there something similar (or that program) for use in bash scripting? |
| 23:55.34 | distatica | I know there's select, but I wanted something more powerful, where I could have extra information on an option, multiple menu items, etc. |
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