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| 00:00.51 | vvd | gnubiff i think |
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| 00:01.34 | mactaylor | !exfat |
| 00:01.51 | rgr | vvd: thanks. had never heard of that. |
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| 00:05.30 | vvd | can i have windows running in a vm on linux with network access, open the doors and watch it die? |
| 00:05.49 | vvd | that could be fun :D |
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| 00:07.48 | anaoum | Madd_Matt: thanks for that! |
| 00:08.07 | Madd_Matt | anaoum, it seems to work for me, but it might break things, so be warned :-p |
| 00:08.11 | anaoum | Madd_Matt: that shouldt give ma any problems with file permissions right? |
| 00:08.24 | Madd_Matt | well I made a user bob and steve |
| 00:08.30 | Madd_Matt | steve was a copy of bob |
| 00:08.38 | Madd_Matt | I logged in as steve, and "whoami" said bob |
| 00:09.00 | Madd_Matt | File permissions are stored using a UID too |
| 00:09.03 | Madd_Matt | so it should be okay |
| 00:09.13 | Madd_Matt | if stuff breaks, just remove the second user |
| 00:13.31 | anaoum | cool thanks for all the help Madd-matt |
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| 00:14.27 | soto | How do I recreate /var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin? |
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| 00:18.06 | streuner | !listvals srcpkgcache.bin |
| 00:18.07 | Shadow_mil | where should I report bugs in Iceweasel? |
| 00:18.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'srcpkgcache.bin' by value returned no results. |
| 00:18.25 | streuner | soto: from backup? |
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| 00:20.06 | Absolute0 | I copied over the java-plugin file into ../firefox/plugins dir and I still can't get java to work |
| 00:20.12 | Absolute0 | I am running firefox 3 beta |
| 00:21.01 | Absolute0 | /plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so |
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| 00:22.57 | Absolute0 | I copied it from /usr/lib/jvm and also from the place where aptitude installed sun-java6-plugin |
| 00:23.13 | Absolute0 | Let me try the direct installer as a final solution |
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| 00:37.13 | mirror_man | hi folks, how do I set the compiler version? I've tried a couple of ways I found with a search but they aren't working. I need to do this to install the Nvidia legacy driver. |
| 00:38.51 | streuner | !gcc |
| 00:38.51 | dpkg | the GNU Compiler Collection. see http://gcc.gnu.org/ or #gcc. In order to change which version it should use "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever", or /usr/bin symlinks not handled using Debian <alternatives>, see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian |
| 00:39.36 | streuner | mirror_man: in lenny? |
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| 00:39.46 | mirror_man | dpkg, thanks, I'll take a look. |
| 00:39.47 | dpkg | de rien, mirror_man |
| 00:39.53 | mirror_man | streuner, yas. |
| 00:40.15 | streuner | mirror_man: look at the URL (wiki.debian.org) about |
| 00:40.17 | streuner | !nvidia |
| 00:40.17 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
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| 00:42.38 | mirror_man | I usually do it with the download from Nvidias site but it's complaining about the GCC version. |
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| 00:43.21 | mirror_man | I would just like to be able to set the compiler version to the same as the one the kernal was compiled with. |
| 00:43.45 | mirror_man | I have all the versions of gcc installed. |
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| 00:44.49 | xittum | mirror_man: http://pastebin.com/m460da729 (old version gcc but.. maybe you get the idea) |
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| 00:45.06 | mirror_man | dpkg, what is the ,nvidia one liner.? |
| 00:45.08 | dpkg | mirror_man: what are you talking about? |
| 00:45.27 | jim | mirror_man: well... gcc has a coupla methods of picking which compiler to use, one of those being to specify the dir where the whole gcc support dir is |
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| 00:47.29 | mirror_man | xittum thanks. |
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| 00:47.43 | jim | and, I believe that would require that additional versions be compiled sort of "side by side", so that the actual gcc executable (which is not actually a compiler) can be aware of these versions and properly dispatch to them. |
| 00:48.08 | jim | I'm pretty sure debian went another route: |
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| 00:48.55 | mirror_man | jim, thanks, I didn't realise that gcc was not the compiler :( |
| 00:49.30 | jim | instead of making gcc aware of all the versions, debian arranges to have executables called gcc-<version> refer to the compilers for -one- version |
| 00:50.18 | jim | so, you'll find things in /usr/bin like gcc-2.3.4 which dispatches to that version |
| 00:50.39 | jim | the compiler is called something like cc1 |
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| 00:51.58 | mirror_man | I found an instruction that said: export CC=gcc-4.1 - does that sound right? |
| 00:52.11 | mirror_man | it didn't seem to work. |
| 00:53.06 | jim | are you using make to build something? |
| 00:54.04 | mirror_man | jim, no, I'm trying to install an nvidia legacy driver and it wants to use the same version of gcc that the kernel was complied with. |
| 00:54.17 | jim | do you have that version installed? |
| 00:54.27 | mirror_man | I don't have any problems with building any other software. |
| 00:54.34 | mirror_man | yes. |
| 00:54.52 | jim | what gcc does it want to use? |
| 00:54.56 | mirror_man | I have a few versions installed but it can't seem to find the right one. |
| 00:55.08 | mirror_man | It wants to use4.1 |
| 00:55.16 | jim | does there exist /usr/bin/gcc-4.1? |
| 00:55.37 | mirror_man | I looked in synaptic and I have it installed. |
| 00:55.58 | mirror_man | as well as 4.2 and 4.3 |
| 00:56.04 | jim | that's fine, but I asked a different question |
| 00:56.14 | mirror_man | ok, I'll have a look. |
| 00:57.10 | jim | you could do: ls /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 |
| 00:57.34 | jim | let the computer search for it instead of you having to |
| 00:57.53 | mirror_man | yes it is there. |
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| 01:00.28 | jim | mirror_man: ok, what is the build command? |
| 01:00.46 | jim | that is what is the command you issue to start the build |
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| 01:01.43 | mirror_man | I just run the file - NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.05-pkg1.run and it walks me through some steps |
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| 01:01.59 | mirror_man | so I don't know the actual command it uses |
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| 01:02.42 | jim | ok, you could put CC=gcc-4.1 NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.05-pkg1.run |
| 01:02.45 | mirror_man | it has worked before, even when it has complained about the gcc version. |
| 01:03.12 | mirror_man | ohcibi, right, I'll go and try it. Thanks jim. |
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| 01:03.45 | jim | welcome... gotta go, but I wanted to at least make you aware that debian has a build system |
| 01:04.04 | jim | and while I can't go into it now, you should take a look |
| 01:04.08 | facedow1 | how can i get the version of pgsql im running? |
| 01:04.15 | mirror_man | not sure what that means, but thanks again. |
| 01:04.15 | facedow1 | i swear i installed 8.3 but it stil says 7.5 |
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| 01:05.35 | jim | facedow1: consider the possibility you have both, running at the same time |
| 01:07.14 | abrotman | facedow1: dpkg -l postgres* |
| 01:07.44 | jim | what is it that resolves the * |
| 01:08.08 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:08.33 | jim | in the case of filename wildcarding, it's the shell |
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| 01:08.46 | jim | but in this case? |
| 01:08.58 | abrotman | one would assume dpkg |
| 01:09.28 | jim | hmm, so possibly there is need to protect the * from the shell |
| 01:09.53 | phantom__ | I have a question... Is there any way to use Ubuntu repos with debian stable or unstable? |
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| 01:10.06 | jim | it's not recommended |
| 01:10.12 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 01:10.12 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 01:10.13 | PingJocky | phantom__: as long as you add thier keys |
| 01:10.14 | abrotman | phantom__: you can do whatever you want .. no one will support your train wreck |
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| 01:10.29 | phantom__ | PingJocky, thanks. |
| 01:10.37 | ras0ir | how can i install urbanterror? |
| 01:10.39 | phantom__ | abrotman, trainwreck? |
| 01:10.47 | abrotman | phantom__: so if you do this, you won't get support from #debian or #ubuntu |
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| 01:10.49 | streuner | phantom__: that's NOT ok! |
| 01:10.52 | jim | I suppose you could try, but the result you get might not be what you expected |
| 01:10.54 | PingJocky | yeah, he is right... It can get a little messy |
| 01:10.55 | abrotman | phantom__: your system will probably break and die .. have fun |
| 01:11.12 | streuner | and you dont have support then |
| 01:11.17 | phantom__ | ACK! but I thought that Ubuntu was based on Debian?!?!? |
| 01:11.18 | PingJocky | phantom__: what are you looking for? |
| 01:11.28 | abrotman | phantom__: it is .. it doesn't mean they are compatible |
| 01:11.40 | lontra | hi is there any reason why i wouldn't be able to connect to an apple airport that's encrypted with WEP or WPA2 Personal with network-manager but i can connect to that same network when it's unencrypted? (and yes i know the password) |
| 01:11.45 | streuner | pingouin: dude, thats NOT helpful |
| 01:11.48 | phantom__ | PingJocky, I just want debian's stability with Ubuntu's hardware support. |
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| 01:11.57 | abrotman | phantom__: try backports.org |
| 01:11.57 | streuner | PingJocky: dude, thats NOT helpful |
| 01:12.06 | lontra | phantom__: debian has hardware support that's just as good as ubuntu |
| 01:12.30 | PingJocky | streuner: i was just making sure it wasnt in debian repos |
| 01:13.18 | phantom__ | well for some reason, even after I install drivers for my wifi hardware, it doesn't show up in the connection listings. I installed ndiswrapper and everything, lspci sees it, but the network manager doesn't |
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| 01:13.46 | jim | yaknow something, it's not based on debian so much as the package tools have the same name... they're not necessarily the same; you have two influences: one, ubuntu takes debian unstable and works on it for awhile... which means for example the package tools (apt, apt-get, aptitude, dpkg, dselect) might be totally different.. the other influence is ubuntu themselves: they might change the package tools |
| 01:13.47 | phantom__ | on top of that, Debian says NOT to use NVIDIA drivers from the nvidia website |
| 01:13.56 | abrotman | phantom__: maybe you should fix that instead of wrecking it |
| 01:14.04 | phantom__ | but what I have found is that their drivers support their hardware better than debians. |
| 01:14.09 | w3rd_ | hey guys trying to install sfdisk on debian sparc 4.0r3 and as i understand it supposed to be included with util-linux pkge but i dont seem to have it? i run apt-get install sfdisk and i get unavailable same with aptitude install sfdisk, do you guys have or know of another way that i could dl and install |
| 01:14.10 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 01:14.31 | streuner | phantom__: crap |
| 01:14.42 | jim | you'd have to build it |
| 01:14.48 | streuner | phantom__: if you using ndiswrapper, it just use windows driver |
| 01:15.07 | phantom__ | streuner, I know that |
| 01:15.11 | abrotman | w3rd_: it's in util-linux |
| 01:15.13 | jim | phantom__: then use that... you need to go with what you know, what you know works. |
| 01:15.14 | phantom__ | streuner, but it's the only thing I have |
| 01:15.27 | PingJocky | phantom__: have you tried to use iwconfig? |
| 01:15.44 | w3rd_ | abrotman: when i debian:/etc# ls -l /sbin/sfdisk |
| 01:15.44 | w3rd_ | ls: /sbin/sfdisk: No such file or directory |
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| 01:15.47 | jim | never, ever let anyone tell you to use their methodology (unless you want to) |
| 01:15.49 | w3rd_ | that is what i get |
| 01:16.07 | phantom__ | PingJocky, yes (just to let you know, I'm not totally new to Linux. been using it for 2 years) |
| 01:16.20 | abrotman | w3rd_: is util-linux installed ? |
| 01:16.34 | w3rd_ | yes it is, when i try and update it says that its current |
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| 01:16.48 | PingJocky | phantom__: i didnt say you were, i have had problems with some distros where NM sucks but i can gte Iwconfig to work |
| 01:17.21 | w3rd_ | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 01:17.33 | w3rd_ | aptitude install util-linux |
| 01:17.41 | w3rd_ | that is the result |
| 01:17.42 | w3rd_ | ? |
| 01:17.47 | phantom__ | PingJocky, ok, just letting you know though. I know that most of the time, people are fairly new to Linux asking these questions. didn't mean to agitate you in any way. |
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| 01:18.30 | phantom__ | PingJocky, thanks for your help too. I am just trying to get a good system running. Ubuntu 7.10 keeps giving me core dumps after I install the linux-source-2.6.22. |
| 01:19.31 | phantom__ | PingJocky, so I'm trying to go back to Debian base, but I am quite leary since my hardware sometimes isn't liked by Debian. on top of that, I heard that nvidia drivers from their website taints the kernel... sometimes to become unusable. |
| 01:20.00 | phantom__ | PingJocky, that's not good. but I need latest drivers for my SLI vid cards. see my situation now? |
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| 01:20.02 | streuner | o_O (changeling) |
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| 01:20.42 | PingJocky | phantom__: i dont even have my nvidia's installed, im fine with 1024x768 :P |
| 01:21.10 | xittum | phantom__: did you take a look at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 01:21.29 | PingJocky | i understand but i have to agree with the other fellows, dont mix your repos |
| 01:21.53 | streuner | fine |
| 01:22.14 | streuner | it only causes headaches |
| 01:22.33 | xittum | phantom__: also backports.org for a new kernel that supports your hardware... or compile your own (you dont give much info about that wlan card :) |
| 01:23.07 | streuner | (maybe there is a opensource alternative available...) |
| 01:23.53 | phantom__ | PingJocky, lol... although I have to admit, that's WAY too low when I can do 1920*1200.. plus I game with my wife.. I want to be able to do my graphics processing with Blender without a hitch too... and after sitting at 1920*1200 for such a long time, I can't go back to 1024*768 unless I am troubleshooting. |
| 01:24.22 | facedow1 | Can someone help me get rid of Postgresql 7.5 |
| 01:24.26 | facedow1 | I'm in aptitude |
| 01:24.33 | abrotman | uninstall it |
| 01:24.39 | facedow1 | how |
| 01:24.44 | phantom__ | xittum, it's a netgear card... wrt311g v2 if i'm not mistaken. |
| 01:24.46 | abrotman | learn how to use aptitude |
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| 01:24.52 | PingJocky | phantom__: im on a p3 with a 17inch tube |
| 01:24.54 | abrotman | phantom__: we need the chipset |
| 01:25.18 | facedow1 | abrotman: how do i mark it to be removed |
| 01:25.22 | facedow1 | and should i purge or delete |
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| 01:25.45 | phantom__ | PingJocky, nice. blast from the past, man! (AMD 6400+ 3.2GHz, w/4GB DDR2, dual nvidia 8600GT 256MB cards. |
| 01:25.59 | facedow1 | ? |
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| 01:26.15 | abrotman | asg!!!!!! |
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| 01:26.51 | phantom__ | abrotman, i'll get chipset info as soon as i can get a running OS. I'll be installing debian unstable in a few minutes. |
| 01:27.31 | xittum | phantom__: dont say you run unstable... here you only get support for stable.. hehe ;) |
| 01:27.34 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 01:27.34 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 01:27.47 | PingJocky | can you dist-update from etch to sid? |
| 01:28.00 | abrotman | if you're lucky |
| 01:28.06 | PingJocky | hehe |
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| 01:28.32 | phantom__ | xittum, oh really? why is that? |
| 01:28.52 | phantom__ | xittum, doesn't unstable have newer software and hardware support? |
| 01:28.54 | abrotman | because if you're running unstable .. you should know how to fix your own system |
| 01:28.57 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 01:28.58 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 01:29.20 | phantom__ | dpkg really? |
| 01:29.21 | dpkg | yes, phantom__ |
| 01:29.28 | phantom__ | dpkg what is testing? |
| 01:29.30 | dpkg | phantom__: what are you talking about? |
| 01:29.34 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 01:29.34 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 01:29.38 | phantom__ | dpkg you're a bot, aren't you? |
| 01:29.39 | w3rd_ | k im trying to use aptitude to update util-linux and it appears that sfdisk is not included in the update? what am i doing wrong? |
| 01:30.07 | phantom__ | PingJocky, so when did they let bots hang out in IRC? |
| 01:30.19 | PingJocky | got me |
| 01:30.23 | xittum | phantom__: ahh its not 100% true - it all depends on how you ask the quiestion but general no support for sid users |
| 01:30.45 | DirkGently | dist upgrade to testing works okay - that's what I'm using |
| 01:30.55 | phantom__ | xittum, so what is testing and is it more stable than sid (unstable)? |
| 01:30.59 | abrotman | w3rd_: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search sfdisk |
| 01:31.03 | PingJocky | there are alot of little things in etch that but me but they are simple fixes |
| 01:31.08 | phantom__ | dpkg who are you? |
| 01:31.08 | dpkg | I'm a chimp! |
| 01:31.13 | abrotman | phantom__: leave the bot alone |
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| 01:31.39 | phantom__ | abrotman, awww... lemme play wif him! |
| 01:31.42 | sussancastello | hola |
| 01:31.47 | phantom__ | hello |
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| 01:32.02 | phantom__ | dpkg what do you use? |
| 01:32.17 | xittum | phantom__: stable - testing - unstable (and.. old-stable + experimental but..) |
| 01:32.25 | abrotman | phantom__: leave the freaking bot alone |
| 01:32.36 | xittum | or use /msg dpkg |
| 01:33.01 | abrotman | phantom__: you should have tried lenny before sid .. but it's too late now |
| 01:33.03 | sussancastello | please i ned a chat romm for sales |
| 01:33.12 | phantom__ | abrotman, what is that? what's lenny? |
| 01:33.18 | abrotman | !lenny |
| 01:33.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
| 01:33.23 | abrotman | sussancastello: for what? |
| 01:33.31 | phantom__ | abrotman, I've been away in Iraq for the past 16 months so I have missed a LOT |
| 01:33.42 | abrotman | no internet to read news? |
| 01:34.30 | phantom__ | ahh.. thank you dpkg |
| 01:34.59 | phantom__ | abrotman, I take it you programmed dpkg? did a good job, I say. |
| 01:35.51 | DirkGently | phantom__: nice holiday resort |
| 01:36.08 | phantom__ | DirkGently, eh? |
| 01:36.13 | DirkGently | Iraq |
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| 01:36.46 | phantom__ | ahh. yeah. right. if you like bombs and bullets and sweating your rear off every day and night for 16 months, then sure! it's nice! |
| 01:36.59 | MrElendig | woot apt-get -vvv moo http://youtube.com/watch?v=QlqLLZQLNiA |
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| 01:39.12 | phantom__ | OK. So I am now installing stable 4.0. I hope this stuff works.... |
| 01:39.26 | phantom__ | and supports the MCP55 chipset on my mobo. |
| 01:39.43 | phorce1 | MrElendig: Won't work with -vvv --- just apt-get moo |
| 01:41.14 | dondelelcaro | phantom__: it should install, but you'll want to install the 2.6.24 kernel from unstable relatively quickly. |
| 01:41.21 | w3rd_ | abrotman: i ran the command that u listed but i was unable to see that the program sfdisk was ever installed>? |
| 01:41.26 | MrElendig | think phorce1 fails at watching youtube |
| 01:41.27 | MrElendig | :p |
| 01:41.54 | phantom__ | dondelelcaro, ok, so why is that? more support for hardware? |
| 01:42.01 | abrotman | w3rd_: maybe it doesn't exist on sparc .. |
| 01:42.17 | w3rd_ | thats tru... |
| 01:42.22 | phorce1 | MrElendig: The YouTube video was funny --- but the apt-get command "completes" it when it works |
| 01:42.39 | xittum | aptitude -v moo |
| 01:42.50 | MrElendig | yea i knwo |
| 01:43.04 | w3rd_ | sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb trying to run this command, is there an alternative being that the utility isnt avail? |
| 01:43.14 | MrElendig | just a long time since I've actualy had to do any maintnace on my deb server :) |
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| 01:43.25 | xittum | MrElendig: i must say.. that joke died! :) |
| 01:44.20 | dondelelcaro | phantom__: it supports the sound card directly, and a few other things slightly more elegantly. |
| 01:44.50 | phantom__ | dondelelcaro, that would be nice. I'll check it out. thanks! |
| 01:45.45 | phorce1 | is going to have to dig out the B.O.C. albums now |
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| 01:46.43 | andash | hi, what does the Laptop alternative on netinst contain? |
| 01:47.18 | phantom__ | dammit.. bad burn i guess... I'll have to try another one.... damn time consuming problems! |
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| 01:52.00 | julie_j | hi guys, can anyone tell me what domain name i should use when setting up a mail server at my school - we own a domain name but thats being used for hosting our external emails and website |
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| 01:52.12 | phantom__ | anyone know how AMD64 works? is it any better for a 64bit system than 32bit OS? |
| 01:52.50 | Kevin` | phantom__ the main benefit is support for large amounts of ram. on most 32bit systems you get problems above 3gb |
| 01:53.47 | phantom__ | Kevin`, I noticed with the ''server' kernel with my debian system, all 4.5 GIGs are availablethough, on my 32bitsystem. is there any other benefits than that? |
| 01:55.45 | amphi | phantom__: access to high memory is much slow on 32bit, I believe, as it is achieved through indirection |
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| 01:56.40 | phantom__ | amphi, thanks. I'll be trying amd64 debian then, instaed of going with my ususal 32-bit server kernel. |
| 01:56.53 | phorce1 | julie_j: more info required (like whay a separate mail server from the hosted one and is to to be used for actually accepting mail from the outside world or only internally) and it would probably be best to ask in a mail-server specific channel because the question isn't debian specific. |
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| 01:58.07 | phantom__ | naything else I should know about though? |
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| 01:59.03 | phorce1 | phantom__: It's a pain in the rear to run a 32 bit userland and 64 bit kernel --- and running full 64 bit means a lot of the software/frivers is not yet available |
| 01:59.25 | phorce1 | s/frivers/drivers/ |
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| 02:00.18 | phantom__ | phorce1, hmmm.... that doesn't sound too good.... no wonder everyone else I have talked to said to stay away form 64bit unless it's going to be a straight server. |
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| 02:01.12 | amphi | phantom__: FWIW, amd64 is working fine here on my laptop |
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| 02:01.38 | phantom__ | amphi, are you capable of running wine and games on it by any chance? |
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| 02:02.08 | phantom__ | amphi what about say, something like Blender, or little 'time-sink' games that linux is known for? |
| 02:03.15 | phantom__ | amphi, don't mean to bombard you with questions, but those things are things that I use A LOT. and with dual vid cards, i'm hoping to really crunch through ultra high-res blender graphics. |
| 02:03.29 | amphi | I've never tried wine; I don't use blender either; the multithreaded povray beta seems to work well |
| 02:04.02 | frankr | hey guys does the first debian install dvd contain everything one needs for a basic system, including window manager, web browser etc? |
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| 02:05.11 | amphi | phantom__: blender is packaged, and has no 32-bit deps AFAICS |
| 02:05.27 | Dantix | hi, I need to configure some old boxes as thin clients. They must to be started and should go directly to the logon windows on rdp sesion without any intervention, anyone can point me to a doc than can help me? |
| 02:05.32 | xittum | frankr: y - but why dont you use netinstall? :) |
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| 02:06.07 | stephen2 | hiii |
| 02:06.57 | amphi | phantom__: blender uses video hw for rendering? povray doesn't, but then it doesn't work with meshes (generally) |
| 02:07.11 | stephen2 | does gnome 2.22 work in debian yet ? |
| 02:07.13 | phantom__ | amphi, thanks for the info. I'll check it out. I will be trying amd64 netinst testing distro out as soon as it gets done burning. |
| 02:07.18 | abrotman | stephen2: it's in sid |
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| 02:07.36 | abrotman | stephen2: and partially lenny |
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| 02:08.38 | frankr | xittum: because I'm burning these for a friend who has a shitty net connection |
| 02:08.52 | phantom__ | amphi, I have noticed that (although i don't have GPU core speed or use %) as I render with Blender, my GPU gets extemely hot (I keep an eye on temps via lm-sensors for my CPU cores and GPU cores, along with mobo/system temps) |
| 02:09.28 | phantom__ | amphi, yes, i meant GPU, although my CPU also gets utilized completely also. |
| 02:09.55 | amphi | phantom__: uhuh - blender uses opengl for it's interface, though, doesn't it? |
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| 02:10.19 | phantom__ | amphi, yes, as far as I know it does |
| 02:10.27 | amphi | phantom__: it's possible, I guess, as blender works entirely with triangle meshes, I think |
| 02:11.07 | phantom__ | amphi, that's why I need the latest drivers for my nvidia cards. it realy helps out, especially with the support for newer cores. |
| 02:11.09 | private_meta | yo, I want to block network access to the system from a specific IP entirely... can someone give me a quick hint on that? |
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| 02:11.12 | amphi | phantom__: perhaps it depends on which rendering backend you use, I don't know much about blender at all |
| 02:11.29 | phantom__ | amphi, I kno just eough to get me renderig, lol. |
| 02:11.36 | amphi | phantom__: interesting, thanks |
| 02:12.09 | phantom__ | amphi, I was pointed toward it by my college professor. he said that it was an outstanding program. I haven't used anything since I started learning Blender. |
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| 02:12.58 | David__ | I think Blender uses OpenGL as the rendering back-end. |
| 02:13.12 | phantom__ | amphi, I wish I could give you more info on Blender, but I really don't know too much about it's backend workings. I just know that the customizable UI and all of the controls can be daunting at first, but extremely helpful once you get to know them. |
| 02:13.38 | amphi | it _can_ use povray, IIRC; I think it can also use something called yafray, I don't know about others |
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| 02:14.39 | amphi | phantom__: I've meant to try it properly, but I like povray too much - there's something pleasant about doing graphics in $EDITOR ;) |
| 02:15.10 | tazle | David__: for the UI, sure |
| 02:15.16 | phantom__ | amphi, interesting... I don't know.. is it completely command-based? |
| 02:15.36 | phantom__ | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:15.43 | phantom__ | is back (gone 00:00:04) |
| 02:16.19 | phantom__ | amphi i'll have to look at povray sometime. maybe once I get my system up and runnig? lol. |
| 02:16.28 | facedow1 | anyone familiar with pgsql? i installed 8.3 server but i'm unable to use pg_config command |
| 02:16.43 | phantom__ | is away: I'm busy |
| 02:16.47 | amphi | phantom__: it uses a so-called 'scene description language' |
| 02:17.08 | tazle | David__: It claims to have a built-in raytracer with radiosity, plus some other buzzwords and integration with various external renderers |
| 02:17.09 | abrotman | !tell phantom__ about away |
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| 02:18.43 | stephen2 | Ya its in sid |
| 02:18.45 | stephen2 | thanks guys :0 |
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| 02:20.18 | David__ | tazle: I didn't know it had a built-in raytracer. I thought one had to be obtained seperately. |
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| 02:22.35 | David__ | There are some visual editors that support Povray. Povlab immediately comes to mind. |
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| 02:24.39 | phantom__ | is back (gone 00:07:56) |
| 02:24.55 | liable | phantom__: can you turn that off? |
| 02:24.58 | phantom__ | abrotman, what about away? |
| 02:25.10 | David__ | I myself am trying to learn the Wings 3D subdivision modeler, as it can export VRML code. |
| 02:25.13 | phantom__ | liable, yeah. just type /back |
| 02:25.39 | abrotman | phantom__: stop doing that or someone will get angry |
| 02:25.40 | liable | phantom__: heh, no, i meant can *you* turn your away messages off :P |
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| 02:26.05 | phantom__ | abrotman, so what this about 'away?' why would anyone get angry for letting the room know that you are away? |
| 02:26.15 | pipeline | phantom__: six hundred plus people |
| 02:26.25 | abrotman | phantom__: no one cares .. don't do it in here |
| 02:26.45 | phantom__ | pipeline, if no one cared, then why would anyone care that i do it then? |
| 02:26.53 | liable | phantom__: imagine if 700 odd people all used away in here. |
| 02:27.03 | liable | thats all you would see.. |
| 02:27.21 | David__ | Instant idle? |
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| 02:28.06 | phantom__ | liable ok... still trying to figure this one out... it's just good manners for you to tell the people you are talking to that you stepped out to wet the lillies |
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| 02:29.09 | abrotman | phantom__: no .. it's actually poor manners on irc |
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| 02:29.20 | abrotman | phantom__: you can do the /away .. just don't announce it |
| 02:29.59 | abrotman | phantom__: and your IRC client has a setting to turn off the public announcement |
| 02:30.10 | phantom__ | abrotman, ahh.. ok. well dpkg told me about usig it. i don't know how to stop it from announcing it though. |
| 02:30.20 | abrotman | phantom__: which IRC client are you using? |
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| 02:30.43 | phantom__ | xchat. i'm looking through prefs now |
| 02:30.50 | pipeline | phantom__: they're going to care when you spam them to death |
| 02:30.58 | pipeline | phantom__: and they will ban you |
| 02:31.13 | abrotman | phantom__: it's under the General settings |
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| 02:31.54 | phantom__ | abrotman, thanks. found it. turned it off. |
| 02:31.59 | abrotman | phantom__: thanky ou |
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| 02:33.11 | phantom__ | abrotman, i didnt know people made such a big deal over away/back messages. eh, no biggie. I just thought it was good behavior to tell people that you were away so they don't keep talking to an alon computer. |
| 02:33.35 | abrotman | phantom__: there are over 800 people in here .. imagine if we all did it |
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| 02:34.07 | David__ | Well if you are stepping out for the evening then...maybe, but if you are going away for a couple of minutes, there's no need. |
| 02:34.41 | phantom__ | eh, point made. no biggie. |
| 02:34.44 | phantom__ | =-) |
| 02:35.26 | abrotman | David__: not even then .. it's not the /away that's the issue .. it's the public annoucement of it |
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| 02:38.30 | phantom__ | yeah. I think we all got the point now. thanks though, abrotman. before, I have always found it good manners. things have changed over two years, I guess, lol. that and the chat rom I used to sit in no longer exists! |
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| 02:41.57 | dustybin | could sombody confirm that sub-pixel hinting is enabled in debian etch? |
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| 02:42.49 | abrotman | how do we check? :) |
| 02:43.06 | dustybin | if your in gnome, go to the appearance > fonts |
| 02:43.07 | dustybin | panel |
| 02:43.21 | dustybin | there is a sub-pixel hinting button |
| 02:43.29 | abrotman | oh crap .. i forgot i'm not on etch ... duh |
| 02:43.55 | abrotman | but i'm pretty sure the option is there |
| 02:44.07 | dustybin | the option might be there but it doesnt mean it will work |
| 02:44.36 | abrotman | David__: do you need something? |
| 02:45.28 | abrotman | dustybin: that's how you told me to check! |
| 02:46.09 | dustybin | abrotman: press it and see if you notice any difference |
| 02:46.23 | abrotman | dustybin: it actually started bugbuddy on lenny |
| 02:46.23 | dustybin | if nothing happens that means its disabled in freetype |
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| 02:46.57 | dustybin | sub pixel hinting on LCDs makes a BIG difference |
| 02:47.23 | dustybin | but its microsoft/apple patented so thats why its off in debian as default (i think) |
| 02:47.23 | David__ | abrotman: Why? |
| 02:47.34 | abrotman | David__: ask me which irc client i'm using, i'll tell you |
| 02:48.32 | David__ | Damn. |
| 02:48.53 | Justin | don't confuse subpixel anti aliasing with subpixel hinting |
| 02:48.59 | Justin | it is the autohinter thing that is patented |
| 02:49.42 | David__ | abrotman: How did you know I queried your IRC client version? |
| 02:49.47 | dustybin | ok |
| 02:49.56 | abrotman | David__: are you serious?> |
| 02:50.08 | dondelelcaro | David__: because CTCP requests are obvious. |
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| 02:51.24 | David__ | I do that sometimes just for fun to see what other people are using. |
| 02:52.24 | David__ | I'm running a long-defunct IRC client know as Microsoft Chat. |
| 02:52.32 | David__ | know -> known |
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| 02:57.53 | w3rd_ | it appears that cfdisk and sfisk are not supported on sparc? bummer...is there another way to move the file system to another partition? |
| 02:58.26 | dondelelcaro | w3rd_: just dd it, or similar. |
| 02:58.58 | w3rd_ | im not familiar with dd, will have to read the man page |
| 02:59.59 | w3rd_ | so i say... dd /dev/sda | dd /dev/sdb |
| 03:00.02 | w3rd_ | would that work? |
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| 03:05.37 | w3rd_ | ok how about this dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb conv=noerror,sync |
| 03:05.46 | w3rd_ | would that work? |
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| 03:06.06 | w3rd_ | that would copy everything from the content of one drive to another correct? |
| 03:07.11 | Sheogorath | well... |
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| 03:09.43 | victo- | Is samba required to be able to use netbios or are there alternative solutions? My linux machine won't respond to pings from Windows computers due to a lack of NetBIOS, I'm assuming |
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| 03:10.44 | Justin | victo-: nmbd would be enough for that to work |
| 03:11.03 | simonrvn | ping is icmp or udp; netbios is udp tcp but has nothing to do with pinging. 2 different things... |
| 03:11.35 | Justin | simonrvn: most likely he means that it isn't responding to the ping command, which will use netbios name resolution :) |
| 03:13.16 | simonrvn | bah. that's just broken win behaviour |
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| 03:13.45 | simonrvn | bah is for the behaviour, not you Justin |
| 03:14.07 | victo- | agreed, but it still needs a solution and currently linux is the only option of the two that gives me one |
| 03:14.53 | simonrvn | isn't it smbclient that has the netbios thingy? |
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| 03:15.24 | Justin | no, he needs to be running the netbios daemon on linux for that kind of name resolution to work from windows |
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| 03:15.56 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 03:16.01 | Justin | or get a router that uses dnsmasq, then things tend to work with plain DNS :) |
| 03:16.22 | simonrvn | would consider that the better solution |
| 03:16.28 | Justin | worse, I don't think windows will do mdns, so foo.local will work between linux and os x, but not windows |
| 03:16.56 | victo- | Justin: I can resolve its address fine, but for some reason it still doesn't respond to network traffic |
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| 03:18.06 | Justin | victo-: how are you resolving its address? |
| 03:18.26 | Justin | victo-: is the address resolving correctly? |
| 03:18.47 | victo- | nslookup <machine name> |
| 03:19.05 | Justin | and does ping show the same ip? |
| 03:19.23 | victo- | it does now that I have samba installed |
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| 03:20.21 | Justin | does the network work on the linux box? |
| 03:20.24 | victo- | yep |
| 03:20.46 | victo- | before I installed samba it could ping all addresses on the network except for my xbox |
| 03:20.57 | nickzxcv | hi, does anybody have an MTA configuration that allows outgoing mail but qualifies all domain unqualified mail with the domain of the host? |
| 03:21.40 | nickzxcv | so I can send out bugreports and stuff but mail to root of asdf.domain.blah goes to root@domain.blah |
| 03:22.04 | nickzxcv | I had something a while ago but there were some ways to get mail loops with it |
| 03:22.12 | dondelelcaro | nickzxcv: I'd just use nullamiler |
| 03:22.33 | dondelelcaro | nickzxcv: anything sent to the localmachine just goes to a single configurable address, and everything is sent to a smarthost. |
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| 03:22.44 | dondelelcaro | s/smarthost/full fledged MTA/ |
| 03:22.45 | Justin | victo-: well if it works normally otherwise, you probably installed a firewall, or disabled icmp replies |
| 03:22.49 | nickzxcv | looks good, thanks! |
| 03:23.16 | victo- | Justin: I could ping its ip address but not its machine/hostname |
| 03:24.01 | Justin | victo-: you just aid installing samba made name resolution work! |
| 03:24.08 | Justin | victo-: it either did or it didn't |
| 03:25.02 | victo- | Justin: I could ping 192.168.1.104 but not its machine name |
| 03:25.12 | victo- | installing samba made it so i can ping the machine name |
| 03:25.22 | victo- | (along with other traffic, obviously) |
| 03:25.51 | Justin | victo-: uhhhhh |
| 03:26.01 | Justin | victo-: so what EXACTLY is your CURRENT problem? |
| 03:26.13 | simonrvn | goes back to inkscape |
| 03:27.04 | victo- | Well for some reason my (wireless) xbox doesn't respond to my (wired) linux machine's traffic |
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| 03:28.20 | Aleera | Can someone tell me whats up with this when I type this apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 03:28.22 | Aleera | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 03:28.23 | Aleera | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 03:28.23 | Aleera | is only available from another source |
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| 03:29.13 | philth | Aleera, non-free in sources.list? |
| 03:29.13 | victo- | Aleera: apt-cache search flash |
| 03:30.42 | hark | !tell Aleera about flash |
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| 03:43.39 | abhi | I am using lenny. while shutdown i message come: terminating all process : start. then the next message is: kill all process : failed . how to solve this problem? |
| 03:44.15 | rocketmagnet | hello, does someone know if gentoo is like debian ? or are what's the currently used debian kernel ? so my p5k mainboard is supported out of the box ? |
| 03:46.47 | rocketmagnet | i have something realy strange - i have now tried 2 times install base debian install, but now also the second time no login for root - the user can login ,but root not =( |
| 03:47.31 | liable | rocketmagnet: debian or ubuntu? |
| 03:47.42 | rocketmagnet | debian |
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| 03:47.55 | liable | strange |
| 03:48.13 | liable | did it ask for a root password during install? |
| 03:48.35 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 03:48.48 | rocketmagnet | that can't be, i must try it again |
| 03:49.02 | cydork | rocketmagnet: you tried etch or lenny? |
| 03:49.10 | rocketmagnet | etch |
| 03:49.16 | rocketmagnet | with custom kernel |
| 03:49.39 | rocketmagnet | bbl |
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| 03:49.55 | cydork | rocketmagnet: hmm that might be the problem.. do you have any reason to use etch? |
| 03:49.57 | Aleera | so far |
| 03:50.18 | Aleera | I did what the document on the wiki said for debian and also installed all the plugins as well |
| 03:50.36 | Aleera | and still no flash activity in ice weasel on Kon browser. |
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| 03:51.10 | Aleera | its also saying nonfree doesnt exist. |
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| 03:51.49 | cydork | Aleera: do you have non-free in your sources.list? |
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| 03:52.04 | Aleera | where would that be? |
| 03:52.06 | Aleera | in cache? |
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| 03:52.48 | cydork | !tell Aleera -about non-free |
| 03:52.49 | abrotman | Aleera: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 03:54.44 | marsje | hi. anyone knows how to make dnsmasq to reverse dns for ipv6? |
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| 03:57.21 | Aleera | how can I get there abortman? |
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| 03:57.48 | abrotman | get where ? |
| 03:58.01 | Aleera | to view my sources.llist |
| 03:58.12 | abrotman | i just told you |
| 03:59.02 | facedown | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:59.13 | facedown | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:01.11 | Aleera | http://pastebin.org/26199 |
| 04:01.24 | Aleera | there it is abrotman |
| 04:01.57 | abrotman | Aleera: you're going to have to edit it to add non-free sources |
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| 04:06.25 | Aleera | http://pastebin.org/26201 |
| 04:06.31 | Aleera | would it look something like that? |
| 04:07.10 | abrotman | no |
| 04:07.34 | abrotman | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 04:10.49 | Aleera | okay |
| 04:10.55 | Aleera | I did the vi command to get in it |
| 04:10.59 | Aleera | but it won't let me type in it. |
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| 04:11.22 | facedown | lol. |
| 04:11.26 | facedown | learn to use vi |
| 04:11.45 | netdaemon | ... |
| 04:11.47 | Agrajag- | does testing not get things like timezone data updates? i've got my lenny box up to date, but today it changed back from daylight saving.. which it shouldn't do till next week |
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| 04:11.49 | Aleera | rofl... I original use opensuse or mandriva, facedown rofl its new for me |
| 04:11.58 | facedown | huh. |
| 04:12.02 | facedown | isnt vi on any distro |
| 04:12.09 | facedown | its like notepad for linux |
| 04:12.14 | facedown | except way way more advanced |
| 04:12.38 | Aleera | yeah, but this is different, on mandriva you dont have to install packages in this sort of way at all. rofl. |
| 04:12.52 | facedown | 3 rofls? |
| 04:13.36 | Aleera | facedown, last I remembered I wasn't talking to you though |
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| 04:15.19 | facedown | but I'm talking to you |
| 04:15.28 | facedown | and you're listening |
| 04:15.30 | facedown | and replying. |
| 04:15.32 | facedown | and? |
| 04:16.11 | Aleera | back off is all I am going to ask you, unless you refuse and keep further. |
| 04:19.22 | Aleera | Anyways. |
| 04:19.27 | Aleera | thanks yall for helping. |
| 04:19.37 | Aleera | lol back to Windows Vista! |
| 04:19.49 | abrotman | why? |
| 04:20.24 | Aleera | its easier to work with, and I am more used to it. |
| 04:20.42 | abrotman | your choice .. it's not like linux is hard |
| 04:21.36 | Wyzard | Aleera: If the problem at the moment is just that you need to edit your sources.list and you don't know how to use vi, why not just use a different editor that's easier to use? |
| 04:21.38 | Wyzard | e.g. nano |
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| 04:42.36 | Vanpriest | guys, how come when i send an email even if i have the domain registered, it fall into the junk mail! someone know the reason? |
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| 04:43.10 | liable | reverse dns is set to your domain name? |
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| 04:43.48 | Vanpriest | yes! should be |
| 04:44.23 | Vanpriest | whatis the reverse dns check command again |
| 04:44.26 | Vanpriest | dnslookup? |
| 04:44.35 | liable | dont know actually |
| 04:44.58 | liable | also check the spam blacklist sites. spamhaus? |
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| 04:45.55 | Vanpriest | effectively my reserve dns not working.. |
| 04:45.57 | Vanpriest | what the.. |
| 04:46.10 | liable | tell your isp |
| 04:46.23 | Vanpriest | ok thanks you |
| 04:46.29 | liable | yw |
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| 04:48.34 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: dig -x 1.2.3.4 |
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| 04:49.01 | Wyzard | Vanpriest: assuming you have the dnsutils package installed |
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| 04:51.02 | Vanpriest | effectively, nthing show up.. |
| 04:51.06 | Vanpriest | so my reverse dns not working |
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| 04:57.33 | phantom__ | ok, so I have found that amd64 isn't any use to me... time to go back to 32bit server for 'testing' |
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| 05:13.24 | peyman_t | hi, i'm newbie in using Doxygen to generate documentation for my code and i get this error that "dot" is not installed on my machine. which package in Etch contains DOT? |
| 05:13.48 | peyman_t | if i'm not mistaken, it is used to draw call graphs of a program |
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| 05:14.49 | phantom__ | peyman_t, I don't know the answer to your question, although there's other rooms that might be able to help you |
| 05:15.03 | phantom__ | since there's not much chatting going on in here, evidently |
| 05:15.20 | peyman_t | phantom__: oh i see. thanks anyway :-) |
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| 05:15.41 | phantom__ | peyman_t, allow me to point you towards OFTC server under channel #debian |
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| 05:23.53 | hackeron | hey, can someone recommend a cheap sound card with 2 stereo inputs supported on linux? (by 2 stereo inputs I mean where I would be able to record both simultaneously, not one at a time) |
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| 05:34.59 | netdaemon | anyone running rhythmbox in sid? |
| 05:35.25 | Arafangion | Why is it that some programs, such as Pidgin, FIrefox, and others insist on making sounds, even though my master volume is muted in gnome? |
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| 05:38.10 | netdaemon | mute pcm |
| 05:38.23 | Arafangion | What's pcm? |
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| 05:39.09 | netdaemon | open your gnome volume mixer |
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| 05:39.26 | Arafangion | I've just muted it, I think it's done the trick, just curious as to what the heck it is. |
| 05:39.47 | netdaemon | Pulse Code Modulation. A method of encoding an audio signal in digital format. |
| 05:39.53 | netdaemon | from google define |
| 05:39.54 | netdaemon | lol |
| 05:40.43 | Arafangion | If that's the case, then how is it resulting in sound if the master channel is already muted? |
| 05:41.00 | netdaemon | not a clue =\ |
| 05:41.06 | netdaemon | what kernel version? |
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| 06:09.34 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:09.35 | dpkg | <abrotman> Phated: i just got 10 inches the other night |
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| 06:12.25 | Waistless | hi i've got two issues with the gnome network manager with a fresh install of debian |
| 06:12.43 | Waistless | first, the nm applet isn't showing up in the notification area |
| 06:13.05 | Waistless | and it will not let me select WPA encryption in the manager |
| 06:13.37 | Waistless | the wireless drivers are installed, wpasupplicant gnome-network-manager and network-manager are installed |
| 06:15.26 | Waistless | i've tried this guide http://www.debianadmin.com/enable-wpa-wireless-access-point-in-ubuntu-linux.html but it hasn't worked. anyone know what the problem is? |
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| 06:20.17 | Waistless | ahh ok first issue fixed |
| 06:21.10 | Waistless | nm applet was being run as root (was put in by default in sessions manager without root), second issue still remains though |
| 06:21.22 | Waistless | it's not giving me any options for WPA... |
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| 06:22.01 | Waistless | it's unsually quiet. have i connected to this in a bad way... no one's talking... |
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| 06:23.12 | liable | america is asleep |
| 06:23.15 | liable | ; |
| 06:23.18 | Waistless | lol |
| 06:23.21 | Waistless | of course |
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| 06:34.04 | |vovkav| | hi! Is there a way to see the default contents of a package's configuration files? |
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| 06:35.41 | spal | is there a command to search text with the package info descriptions, that we get using aptitude info? |
| 06:36.35 | spal | for example, aptitude info beef has the word, "Brainfuck", but on doing "aptitude search Brainfuck", I don't find beef as the output. What is the correct command? |
| 06:39.16 | Agrajag- | apt-cache search brainfuck gives me beef |
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| 06:40.18 | quentusrex | Does anyone know how the command 'hostid' generates the ID? |
| 06:44.26 | kingsley | |vovkav|: I seem to recall that the "dpkg" command can show you a package's configuration files. |
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| 06:51.45 | |vovkav| | kingsley: Wow! great! then, what is the switch to see the _contents_ of a configuration file? |
| 06:53.18 | kingsley | |vovkav|: I've forgotten, but perhaps you could do it in two steps. 1.) Unpack the contents of the package with the "dpkg" command, and 2.) "less <configuration-file-name>" |
| 06:54.29 | liable | try /usr/share/<pkg> |
| 06:55.51 | liable | they should be somewhere. i cant recall where though |
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| 07:02.40 | kingsley | |vovkav|: Check out "dpkg --extract <package-name>.deb" |
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| 07:03.38 | Bushmills | or for "visual" mode you can use midnight commander (mc) which can open a .deb in a panel when pressing <Enter> on it |
| 07:03.56 | Bushmills | F3 for viewing a file. |
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| 07:07.24 | phenom | GentlePeople,, If you have OpenOffice type =GAME("StarWars") in to any cell in OO SpreadSheet |
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| 07:09.29 | simonrvn | sounds like you found an "easter egg" |
| 07:10.11 | phenom | A hell of one. |
| 07:10.30 | phenom | I was hoping someone could inform me of any other good ones for it. :) |
| 07:10.37 | simonrvn | wow |
| 07:10.38 | phenom | There is one for tictactoe also. |
| 07:11.10 | simonrvn | eh, the alert is in german :/ |
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| 07:11.34 | phenom | I believe it's =GAME(A1:A3;"TicTacToe") in cell A4 iirc |
| 07:13.28 | phenom | Seems not many people on this network know of these easter eggs. |
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| 07:13.43 | phenom | NO one seemed to know of em even in #openoffice.org |
| 07:13.51 | simonrvn | where did you find them? |
| 07:13.53 | phenom | s/NO/No/ |
| 07:14.41 | phenom | An easter egg, or fake one rather, made me google em up. if you type "about kitchensink" in firefox |
| 07:14.53 | phenom | Without quotes. |
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| 07:15.05 | simonrvn | i know about that one |
| 07:15.17 | phenom | And http://geekybits.blogspot.com/2007/11/openoffice-eastereggs.html has a bunch for OO |
| 07:15.31 | simonrvn | neat thanks |
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| 07:16.05 | phenom | Sure, if you find anything worthwhile, please let me know ;) |
| 07:16.16 | simonrvn | sure will :) |
| 07:16.50 | simonrvn | this explains part of the OO bloat ;) |
| 07:17.06 | liable | heh |
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| 07:18.23 | phenom | Well, I've hardly relied or use OO as it mangles the format of a lot of different documents. |
| 07:18.54 | phenom | But this has given me more of a reason "to" use it. ;) |
| 07:19.32 | simonrvn | heheh |
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| 07:19.48 | phenom | Hell, tetris is embedded in utorrent hehe |
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| 07:21.52 | youp | Thats news |
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| 07:23.00 | phenom | Although it's a little late for Easter, it's worth mentioning that the popular Bit-Torrent client uTorrent contains an Easter Egg on the About screen. Simply hitting the 'T' key on your keyboard while viewing the About window in uTorrent will show a very rudimentary but playable version of Tetris. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to keep score or speed up as game play goes on, but it's definitely useful as a distraction when you need a moment to th |
| 07:23.00 | phenom | ink. |
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| 07:28.24 | simonrvn | heh |
| 07:28.55 | simonrvn | i'm level 6 with 10175 points ;) |
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| 07:32.17 | phenom | That is a hell of an easter egg, it's spooky almost. Makes you wonder how many people actually gaze at "open source" software. :/ |
| 07:33.46 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 07:34.13 | youp | Wow its real |
| 07:35.36 | Guerin | when did utorrent become free software? |
| 07:35.55 | phenom | Guerin, I was speaking of OpenOffice. |
| 07:35.58 | youp | What about that 3D walk around easter egg in some version of excel? |
| 07:36.02 | Guerin | oh. |
| 07:36.10 | phenom | But understand and apologize of the mix up. |
| 07:36.14 | simonrvn | just made level 10 |
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| 07:37.13 | ArtVandalae | Hi all, I want to have a look at the source code of some of the basic userland tools (ls, cd, mv, cp, etc). What (source) packages would these tools most likely be in? |
| 07:37.25 | phenom | Just so you know, it will not let you play again, until you restart OO all together ;) |
| 07:37.34 | Guerin | ArtVandalae: coreutils\ |
| 07:37.40 | ArtVandalae | Cheers Guerin |
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| 07:37.56 | phenom | ArtVandalae, $ whereis ls |
| 07:38.54 | jim | that will say where is the binary |
| 07:38.58 | phenom | My whoops |
| 07:40.04 | simonrvn | heh 26925 |
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| 07:43.31 | phenom | Now that's a coincidence. |
| 07:43.45 | phenom | He asked that 4 minutes after I had said: <phenom> That is a hell of an easter egg, it's spooky almost. Makes you wonder how many people actually gaze at "open source" software. :/ |
| 07:43.49 | phenom | hehe |
| 07:44.15 | phenom | ArtVandalae, It would be nice if you look at the source of OpenOffice, and let me know what you find ;] |
| 07:44.32 | Penix | yuck |
| 07:45.08 | phenom | I know, just saying OpenOffice strikes a gag reflex, but after that easter egg, they are one up in my book hehe |
| 07:45.09 | ArtVandalae | haha, tbh, I'm scared :) |
| 07:45.23 | ArtVandalae | Which easter egg? the games? |
| 07:45.42 | phenom | ArtVandalae, yes, =GAME("StarWars") |
| 07:45.44 | phenom | etc. |
| 07:46.36 | phenom | Just paste that in to any cell in OO SpreadSheet, If you didn't know. |
| 07:46.47 | phenom | But, sounds like you did ;) |
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| 07:50.57 | aspect | what's the easiest way to do a "headless" (no keyboard/monitor) install of debian? Or get a serial console? |
| 07:51.33 | aspect | "or install via a serial console", that should have read |
| 07:51.36 | Penix | aspect: google. there are loads of general serial console howtos around. not sure about d-i support |
| 07:51.46 | Penix | I know you can set grub to output to serial |
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| 07:53.15 | simonrvn | !nickometer H3XIL3D |
| 07:53.17 | dpkg | 'H3XIL3D' is 99.160% lame, simonrvn |
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| 07:55.14 | Penix | I love serial console btw. every board should have firmware support for it |
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| 07:55.22 | Penix | consoles rather |
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| 08:06.10 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 08:13.48 | Farhadix | hi guys! how i can change bios time from linux? |
| 08:13.59 | Kevin` | hwclock |
| 08:14.25 | Farhadix | thnaks |
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| 08:29.02 | Glanzmann | Does somebody know a good programm for (debian) linux that recovers deleted jpgs from a smart card? |
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| 08:29.13 | Glanzmann | s/smart card/sd memory card/ |
| 08:29.38 | mazzanet | australia has done it again |
| 08:29.40 | Penix | the fact that they're jpeg files has nothing to do with it. neither does the fact that they are/were on an sd card |
| 08:29.44 | mazzanet | timezones are utterly screwed |
| 08:29.52 | Penix | is it still DST or what? |
| 08:30.11 | jim | Glanzmann: that's pretty specific |
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| 08:30.43 | Glanzmann | Penix: Well it has. Jpg files have a magic header with the size of the jpg in it. |
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| 08:30.53 | Penix | Glanzmann: you want a general filesystem-level 'undelete' function. you can only do it with ext2 |
| 08:30.56 | Glanzmann | vfat hast a 512 byte bondary for new files. |
| 08:31.15 | mazzanet | Penix: http://pastebin.ca/963165 |
| 08:31.29 | Glanzmann | which means if you delete a jpg file you just have to look every 512 bytes for a jpg header. |
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| 08:31.41 | Glanzmann | if you find one, you just have to write the data out. |
| 08:31.47 | jim | Glanzmann: you seem to know something about the subject... why not write the tool yourself? |
| 08:32.18 | Penix | mazzanet: my debian system clock is an hour behind all my proper clocks for some reason. my freebsd server's time is just plain wrong |
| 08:32.36 | Glanzmann | Penix: No, I don't. |
| 08:32.39 | Penix | had people asking me today if DST was finishing this weekend or next |
| 08:33.01 | Penix | heh. he seemed to know more than us. dunno why he asked |
| 08:33.31 | jim | yeah, evidently I perceived that :) |
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| 08:34.15 | enouf | she's dead jim? |
| 08:34.18 | Penix | the freebsd box does my NTP. pretty sure my desktop's syncing from it. something amiss |
| 08:34.24 | Penix | 's |
| 08:34.37 | mazzanet | Penix: recopy the timezone file from /usr/share/zoneinfo/ to /etc/localtime |
| 08:34.38 | metrics | Hi all, I'm running sid and openoffice is currently uninstallable. Is anyone else experiencing this or have I got something stale? |
| 08:34.41 | mazzanet | i had to do that on my debian box |
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| 08:34.50 | enouf | i mean testdisk and photorec might help mr dead jpeg guy .. but |
| 08:35.01 | Penix | metrics: you've got something called sid |
| 08:35.04 | jim | was there ever a female death on star trek where bones said that? |
| 08:35.19 | Penix | you tell me |
| 08:35.28 | enouf | dunno; sounds good though ;-) |
| 08:35.45 | paakku | At <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=bugs.debian.org> some bugs have "Tags: random", but the web pages of the bugs do not show that. What does the tag mean? |
| 08:35.45 | enouf | the spaceship itself was a she |
| 08:35.48 | metrics | Penix: Thanks for your insightful wisdom. |
| 08:35.53 | mazzanet | metrics: define uninstallable |
| 08:35.58 | Penix | metrics: no, thank you |
| 08:36.10 | mazzanet | i installed openoffice yesterday no problems |
| 08:36.21 | metrics | mazzanet: openoffice.org-common conflicts with everything else openoffice. |
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| 08:36.51 | mazzanet | what does `apt-get install openoffice.org2` result in |
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| 08:37.25 | metrics | Stand by...cleaning package cache and updating (again). |
| 08:37.25 | jim | metrics: what are the consequences of running sid (ignoring for a moment that it's support of it is optional to helpers...) |
| 08:37.34 | jetscreamer | indubitably captain, and very interesting |
| 08:37.44 | Penix | quite |
| 08:38.02 | jetscreamer | captain, she's breaking up!!! |
| 08:38.03 | jim | indubitably she's a dead captain enterprise?! |
| 08:38.26 | jetscreamer | just i seem to remember bones saying that now that you mention it |
| 08:38.40 | jetscreamer | just not as often |
| 08:39.03 | metrics | I know the consequences of running sid...and I know that it breaks, as it has in the last 5 years I've been using it. Sometimes its just nice to check to see if what your seeing is actually a problem with the current state or my machine is borked. |
| 08:39.18 | jetscreamer | sid doesn't break |
| 08:39.24 | jetscreamer | you allow sid to break |
| 08:39.35 | jetscreamer | one of the 3 laws of sid |
| 08:39.47 | jim | Load the valentine chocolate into photon torpedo tube #1! she won't break up for long! |
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| 08:39.58 | telexicon | packages.debian.org is down? |
| 08:40.00 | jetscreamer | first is do not harm jetscreamer, or through inaction, allow jetscreamer to come to harm |
| 08:40.04 | Penix | telexicon: seems like it |
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| 08:40.51 | jetscreamer | i forget the second, but the third is use dselect to know wtf sid upgrade is about to do to you |
| 08:40.56 | jetscreamer | and be able to fix it |
| 08:41.11 | Penix | no, that's the second |
| 08:41.14 | Penix | third is PROFIT! |
| 08:41.16 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
| 08:41.20 | jetscreamer | yeah baybee |
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| 08:41.35 | jim | It's ok to suck up to the boss, if it means more profit! |
| 08:41.39 | telexicon | but |
| 08:41.42 | jetscreamer | and rub my lobes |
| 08:41.42 | vsantu88 | #flood |
| 08:41.49 | telexicon | i need to get some info on a package :-/ |
| 08:41.50 | Penix | ear or brain? |
| 08:41.55 | telexicon | how can packages be down? |
| 08:41.57 | jetscreamer | ear |
| 08:41.58 | Penix | telexicon: /msg dpkg info <package> <branch> |
| 08:41.59 | telexicon | i have work to do |
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| 08:42.04 | telexicon | awesome |
| 08:42.05 | enouf | i mentioned this earlier , will do so again ; http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html anybody want to make a factoid, go ahead |
| 08:42.09 | Penix | telexicon: the same way all sites can go down |
| 08:42.25 | jim | telexicon: work is irrelevent... you will be assimilatee |
| 08:42.29 | Penix | !listkeys undelete |
| 08:42.31 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'undelete' by key (3): undelete ;; #debian undelete ;; _default undelete. |
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| 08:42.45 | Kilzool | Key: 4266 Can all talk now. |
| 08:42.47 | telexicon | <dpkg> Package 'libpq-dev etch-backports' does not exist. ? |
| 08:42.47 | Penix | already refers to that URL in 'undelet' |
| 08:42.49 | jetscreamer | !enouf's factoid is <reply>[03.42.05] <enouf> i mentioned this earlier , will do so again ; http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html anybody want to make a factoid, go ahead |
| 08:42.50 | dpkg | jetscreamer: okay |
| 08:42.52 | Penix | undelete rather |
| 08:42.59 | enouf | bastage |
| 08:43.03 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 08:43.13 | Penix | dupe!!! |
| 08:43.14 | jetscreamer | !forget enouf's factoid |
| 08:43.14 | dpkg | i forgot enouf's factoid, jetscreamer |
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| 08:43.17 | Penix | omgz lolz |
| 08:43.29 | enouf | dpkg undelete ext3 is see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 08:43.29 | dpkg | enouf: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
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| 08:43.48 | enouf | dpkg "undelete ext3" is see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 08:43.48 | dpkg | enouf: what are you talking about? |
| 08:43.54 | jim | telexicon: perhaps you could look for the actual .deb and maybe even its source (where would you find those things?) |
| 08:43.55 | Penix | !lose enouf |
| 08:43.55 | dpkg | enouf: You Lose. |
| 08:44.08 | enouf | !8ball have you been at the rum candy again? |
| 08:44.09 | dpkg | Please ask again. |
| 08:44.11 | telexicon | jim, but i need my htmls! |
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| 08:44.12 | Penix | telexicon: there's a search function as well afaik |
| 08:44.20 | jetscreamer | dpkg undelete-ext3 is see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 08:44.20 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 08:44.31 | Penix | !search libpq |
| 08:44.34 | jetscreamer | !forget undelete-ext3 |
| 08:44.34 | dpkg | i forgot undelete-ext3, jetscreamer |
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| 08:44.44 | jetscreamer | dpkg undelext3 is see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html |
| 08:44.44 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 08:44.51 | jetscreamer | fix it |
| 08:44.55 | jetscreamer | if you wish |
| 08:44.59 | jim | telexicon: no you don't... you have work to do, remember? this means you should find ANY way of accomplishing this you can |
| 08:45.13 | Penix | 'undelete' already covers it anyway. just make it forget the rest |
| 08:45.31 | jetscreamer | !forget undelext3 |
| 08:45.31 | dpkg | jetscreamer: i forgot undelext3 |
| 08:45.33 | enouf | symlink it |
| 08:45.34 | Penix | telexicon: and html should be getting in the way of you getting work done |
| 08:45.43 | jetscreamer | then it's fixed |
| 08:45.56 | Kilzool | Ask your question - if you need help and need an answer. |
| 08:46.07 | Penix | I'm with genius ^ |
| 08:46.13 | jetscreamer | Kilzool how do i get mirc to run? |
| 08:46.39 | jetscreamer | and how do i use my sql express in debian |
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| 08:46.45 | jim | especially if it's "7wfy umejd" |
| 08:46.59 | Penix | hw do i hack hotamil with mirc?!?! |
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| 08:47.03 | Penix | my gf is cheating?!?!?! |
| 08:47.15 | jim | with your other gf? |
| 08:47.19 | jetscreamer | my aolspeek is week |
| 08:47.37 | enouf | icanhazcheeze? |
| 08:48.13 | jetscreamer | ooo your wife left you for another woman |
| 08:48.22 | Penix | projecting |
| 08:48.24 | telexicon | when will packages.debian.org be back up? |
| 08:48.33 | Penix | telexicon: we don't know. we don't run the server |
| 08:48.34 | jetscreamer | when it's fixed |
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| 08:48.51 | telexicon | Penix, you should? |
| 08:49.06 | jetscreamer | !penixstrike telexicon |
| 08:49.06 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking telexicon to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 08:49.13 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 08:49.21 | jetscreamer | goooooaaaalll! |
| 08:49.21 | telexicon | :-/ |
| 08:49.32 | Penix | telexicon: you wanted to search etch-backports, right? |
| 08:49.34 | enouf | !find libpq-dev |
| 08:49.38 | dpkg | libpq-dev: (header files for libpq5 (PostgreSQL library)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 8.3.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 383 kB, Installed size: 889 kB |
| 08:49.43 | telexicon | i already found it |
| 08:49.46 | Penix | bah. that's it. find |
| 08:49.51 | Penix | telexicon: apt-cache search |
| 08:49.55 | telexicon | i already did that |
| 08:50.01 | telexicon | actually, apt-cache show libpq5 |
| 08:50.15 | enouf | !info libpq-dev stable |
| 08:50.18 | Penix | you've got two working alternatives to p.d.o that are quicker and easier |
| 08:50.19 | dpkg | libpq-dev: (header files for libpq4 (PostgreSQL library)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 8.1.11-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 325 kB, Installed size: 777 kB |
| 08:50.26 | enouf | !info libpq-dev testing |
| 08:50.31 | dpkg | libpq-dev: (header files for libpq5 (PostgreSQL library)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 8.3.0-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 378 kB, Installed size: 881 kB |
| 08:50.56 | jetscreamer | !say dselect > * |
| 08:50.57 | dpkg | dselect > * |
| 08:51.03 | jetscreamer | goes away now |
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| 08:51.10 | Penix | back to 1999 ;) |
| 08:51.18 | enouf | !dselect-upgrade |
| 08:51.24 | enouf | nada |
| 08:51.33 | jim | !say apt, help |
| 08:51.33 | dpkg | apt, help |
| 08:51.48 | jetscreamer | they won't go into a loop |
| 08:51.55 | jetscreamer | they seem to ignore one another |
| 08:52.06 | jim | apt, help |
| 08:52.10 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 08:52.14 | jetscreamer | help is a /msg |
| 08:52.16 | enouf | !8ball do you <3 apt? |
| 08:52.17 | dpkg | Absolutely. |
| 08:52.25 | enouf | see ? ;-) |
| 08:52.29 | jim | yeah |
| 08:52.38 | jetscreamer | !say apt lart jim |
| 08:52.38 | dpkg | apt lart jim |
| 08:52.38 | apt | drops a humongous exploding nuke on jim |
| 08:52.43 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 08:52.50 | enouf | !win jetscreamer |
| 08:52.50 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetscreamer! You have won the US presidency! |
| 08:53.12 | jetscreamer | today the presidency, tomorrow the world |
| 08:53.17 | jim | !say !buttsnack |
| 08:53.17 | dpkg | !buttsnack |
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| 08:54.16 | jim | brain, what are we going to do today? |
| 08:54.30 | jetscreamer | what we always do |
| 08:54.52 | jetscreamer | but after we finish moving |
| 08:54.57 | jetscreamer | sighs |
| 08:57.10 | |vovkav| | better late, then never - thanks! |
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| 08:58.42 | jair | is there anyone using vmware workstation on debian? |
| 08:59.55 | jim | jair: have you ever seen what dpkg says when you say /msg dpkg ask? |
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| 09:03.37 | jair | hi jim |
| 09:03.49 | jair | well, I haven't chec sorry |
| 09:03.52 | jair | check |
| 09:04.06 | jair | jim: I have a license of vmware workstation 6.0 |
| 09:04.26 | jair | and I know that there is a release of 6.0.3 already |
| 09:04.40 | jair | I think that the license should cover all the versions 6.0.x |
| 09:04.58 | jim | does the company that puts out vmware agree? |
| 09:05.26 | jair | but in windows all you do is install the binary package in top pf your vmws 6.0.0 and it will become the latest one. |
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| 09:05.38 | jair | in debian I think is different. |
| 09:06.30 | bloo` | Well, since I'm running debian I figure I'll ask here as well #linux |
| 09:06.48 | jair | bloo`: what is the problem? |
| 09:06.48 | bloo` | Whats a good way to restrict memory usage of a certain user? Like, not letting "Frank" use more than 3MB of RAM |
| 09:07.01 | jair | interesting |
| 09:07.18 | jair | I know that quota restrict use of the space |
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| 09:07.28 | jair | but not idea of the memory ontrol |
| 09:07.42 | bloo` | Well, I tried putting them in the "/etc/security/limits.conf" with a memlock |
| 09:07.43 | jair | jim: thank you for the dpkg tip |
| 09:07.59 | bloo` | But, it doesn't seem to work unless I actually have to restart (already relogged in, just to check, just not restart) |
| 09:08.07 | bloo` | But I've never had to restart because of a config file in linux <.< |
| 09:08.10 | jair | I see |
| 09:08.32 | jim | jair: np... I was under the impression you've been around awhile |
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| 09:09.33 | jair | jim: so sorry yes, I spend sometime here then dispappear for a while |
| 09:09.37 | jair | sorry |
| 09:09.44 | jim | no worries |
| 09:10.13 | jair | is there a way I can add spell to correct my errors on irssi? I guess I should google it first. |
| 09:10.14 | jim | I didn't mean to try applying authority |
| 09:10.25 | jair | hey it is a very very good tip |
| 09:10.47 | jim | that's true |
| 09:10.55 | jair | and it make perfectly sense, that help me to help you to help us ;) |
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| 09:11.27 | pmv | jair, I believe there are ways to do replacements for common spelling errors, and maybe scipts for spelling help on irssi.org |
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| 09:13.07 | AVRS | hi |
| 09:13.17 | AVRS | Has anyone seen mpg123 starting to play too fast? |
| 09:13.22 | pmv | !ia64 |
| 09:13.22 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64 |
| 09:13.33 | jair | I will check on irssi FAQ see if I can use an spell package to highlight errors on my irssi |
| 09:15.43 | jair | doing the installation of debian etch, I accidently installed "xvnc4viewer" I knoe there is a command in debian "apt" that I can see what was installed with it. That way I can clean up my system of things I do not need, I am not even running xorg on this machine so I do not need this package. |
| 09:16.40 | pmv | jair, man dpkg-query |
| 09:16.57 | jair | trying that |
| 09:17.06 | jair | I was reading the apt-get man page ;) |
| 09:17.20 | bloo` | Jaif, for future reference on that question : Redirect them to PAM |
| 09:17.41 | pmv | jair, although if you remove xvnc4viewer, I think it removes dependencies that are not being used by anything else |
| 09:18.12 | jair | right |
| 09:18.48 | jair | but when I run the command "apt-get remove --purge xvnc4viewer" it tells me that it have 0 dependencies" |
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| 09:19.01 | Penix | and? |
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| 09:19.29 | pmv | jair, there you go then |
| 09:19.43 | jair | but when i installed it installed a copuple of packages |
| 09:19.49 | jair | that is what I mean |
| 09:19.59 | jair | it suppouse to remove those other packages |
| 09:20.05 | pmv | well purge out to do that for you |
| 09:20.17 | pmv | but if you want to be sure, well you can manually check what packages depend on that, and manually remove them |
| 09:20.29 | jair | pmv: you mean run the command "apt-get remove --purge xvnc4viewer" ? |
| 09:20.37 | jair | right |
| 09:20.37 | pmv | yes |
| 09:20.48 | jair | that is what I will check first using the dpkg |
| 09:20.57 | pmv | sorry, I am not on the deb box now, so I cannot check the exact dpkg line for you |
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| 09:21.02 | pmv | good luck |
| 09:21.03 | Penix | jair: use aptitude if you wanna remove unused deps etc. |
| 09:21.26 | jair | apt-get suppouse to do that too or not? |
| 09:21.33 | Penix | I'm not sure whether support for that sort of thing in apt is included in etch |
| 09:21.40 | pmv | is aptitude inherently better at purge than apt? *eyebrow-raise* |
| 09:21.43 | Penix | jair: it does in newer unstable/experimental versions IIRC |
| 09:21.49 | Penix | !why aptitude |
| 09:21.49 | pmv | ah |
| 09:21.49 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 09:22.02 | pmv | Penix, thanks, that answered my question :) |
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| 09:22.18 | jair | Penix: great! |
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| 09:23.24 | jair | Penix: and it looks like aptitude use the same commands than apt just that you need to type "itude" :) |
| 09:23.37 | Penix | yeah, pretty much. or use the curses interface. either way |
| 09:25.05 | jair | I see |
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| 09:31.56 | jair | well Penix I try to remove the package and it just did the same as apt |
| 09:32.06 | jair | it just removed that package :( |
| 09:32.12 | dante_2core | hey guys, my mlterm (terminal emulator) does not show any fonts anymore but just rectangles, anyone has the same problem? happens on both my 64bit desktop and 32bit notebook, debian lenny/sid on both |
| 09:32.15 | jair | xvnc4viewer |
| 09:33.16 | jair | but when I installed the first time, the "apt-get told me => I will install this and that and those for xvnc4viewer" |
| 09:33.22 | Penix | jair: you wanna remove the packages that xvncviewer depends on, right? |
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| 09:33.36 | Penix | xvnc4viewer should only depend on X related packages |
| 09:33.45 | Penix | and suggest vnc-common or something |
| 09:34.18 | Penix | jair: so, if you've got other X packages that depend on the ones xvnc4viewer depends on, they're not gonna be removed |
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| 09:37.38 | jair | I see |
| 09:38.30 | jair | Penix: I think I am good then |
| 09:38.53 | jair | there may be a package that depend on something else |
| 09:38.56 | jair | but anyway |
| 09:39.06 | jair | I id the purge using the aptitude |
| 09:39.13 | dutchfish | is it possible with iptables on debian 2.6.18 to port forward with source domain.tld/29 to internal destination (192.168.0.x) with NEW tcp in such a way that no dns recursion takes place on the source? how to implement this? |
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| 09:39.26 | jair | also, if I want to do like the "test or fake installation" |
| 09:39.38 | jair | there is a way to do that before install apackage right? |
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| 09:40.55 | Penix | jair: man apt-get |
| 09:40.57 | Penix | -s option |
| 09:41.24 | pmv | dutchfish, you mean dnsmasq? |
| 09:41.50 | dutchfish | pmv, no source natting on domain name not ip |
| 09:42.04 | pmv | dutchfish, iptables for domain-based routing is not something I have done |
| 09:42.26 | dutchfish | pmv, ok, np, just have a gard time to grasp this |
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| 09:42.35 | dutchfish | s/gard/hard |
| 09:42.41 | jair | Penix: I will read and follow the aptitude menu ;) |
| 09:42.42 | pmv | dutchfish, maybe you are looking at the wrong solution. dnsmasq works well for nats |
| 09:42.54 | pmv | dutchfish, you do not want to do domain-based stuff on an L3 firewall |
| 09:43.03 | dutchfish | pmv, exactly |
| 09:44.40 | dutchfish | pmv, to be more exact i want to have a nice way (dns based) of letting all the satelites of 1 domain through and block the rest. The ip's of the domain are scattered. |
| 09:45.17 | dutchfish | pmv, if iptables can do this i dont need the overhead of antoher package |
| 09:45.24 | pmv | dutchfish, doing this domain-based would involve reverse lookups |
| 09:45.44 | pmv | I would rather manually add rules on the known source IPs |
| 09:46.17 | pmv | dutchfish, by domain, you mean as in DNS right? not a workgroup/domain |
| 09:46.24 | dutchfish | pmv, i would like to, but ~70 ips changing weekly will give me a hard time to not make errors |
| 09:47.00 | dutchfish | pmv, fqdn yes |
| 09:47.02 | pmv | dutchfish, I can name several DNS appliances that can do that for you :) |
| 09:47.12 | pmv | but if you want to do it yourself, I suggest a cron'd script |
| 09:47.15 | dutchfish | pmv, oh ... |
| 09:47.26 | dutchfish | pmv, please enlighten me |
| 09:47.42 | pmv | DNS is mostly a destination resolution scheme |
| 09:47.52 | dutchfish | right |
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| 09:48.13 | pmv | it is not good for a basis of rules on the source |
| 09:48.23 | dutchfish | right again |
| 09:48.43 | pmv | as you know, it works over IP, so when the traffic actually passes, you see IPs, not domains |
| 09:48.56 | dutchfish | pmv yep |
| 09:49.13 | pmv | a klugey way to do what you want would be to run a scheduled script |
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| 09:49.33 | pmv | that does periodic reverse lookups and updates the fw tables |
| 09:49.43 | dutchfish | that generates the correct iptable syntax from a recursive dig? |
| 09:49.48 | pmv | or you can have your DNS machine do this, sending updates |
| 09:49.52 | pmv | to the fw |
| 09:49.57 | pmv | whenever changes are made |
| 09:50.11 | pmv | but if you have a hierarchy of DNSs that might be hairy |
| 09:50.20 | dutchfish | so i look up SOA and decide if anything has changed? |
| 09:50.57 | pmv | if you have just one authoritative DNS for your infra, you can just do reverse lookups on that, generate iptables rules from that, and plug them in to the fw |
| 09:50.58 | dutchfish | and i mean the SOA of the authoritive dns server |
| 09:51.11 | pmv | dutchfish, that would be the manual way, yeah |
| 09:51.30 | dutchfish | pmv, a nice |
| 09:51.34 | pmv | of course, some DNS solutions can do this automatically, pushing updates to your infra, including any firewalls |
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| 09:52.02 | pmv | resists temptation to plug products |
| 09:52.03 | pmv | :) |
| 09:52.03 | dutchfish | pmv, yes but pushing is out of the q because of the firewall |
| 09:52.19 | dutchfish | pmv, but i got the idee, thank you very much! |
| 09:52.27 | pmv | well if the DNS is within your infra it would be manageable |
| 09:52.39 | dutchfish | pmv, sadly not |
| 09:52.41 | pmv | that is, if you are running a big enough network |
| 09:52.50 | pmv | what kind of organization? |
| 09:53.09 | pmv | but for scattered deployments this is hard |
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| 09:53.29 | dutchfish | pmv, roadwarriors with semi-static ip's |
| 09:53.51 | dutchfish | pmv, tunneled |
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| 09:54.22 | pmv | dutchfish, you might also want to look into a VPN solution instead |
| 09:54.33 | dutchfish | pmv, yes, ssl-vpn |
| 09:54.35 | pmv | source IPs can be spoofed |
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| 09:54.53 | monkeylice | DCC CHAT SFKHSLKDHSLKDHLSKHFLKSGHSLKFD |
| 09:55.01 | dutchfish | pmv, arptables? |
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| 09:55.12 | dutchfish | pmv or ebtables? |
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| 09:55.48 | cusco | DCC CHAT SFKHSLKDHSLKDHLSKHFLKSGHSLKFD |
| 09:55.50 | pmv | dutchfish, on a LAN that is easier to secure, but if you are dealing with public inet that is hard. L3 is just not a good enough basis for security. |
| 09:55.55 | cusco | oops |
| 09:56.06 | dutchfish | pmv, L7 |
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| 09:56.38 | pmv | dutchfish, tunnels or VPN would do okay :) |
| 09:56.40 | dutchfish | pmv, but the convention for my q is the same |
| 09:57.16 | dutchfish | pmv, its just 1 of the rules not the only barrier of coarse, but it saves a lot of overhead |
| 09:57.25 | pmv | yup |
| 09:57.55 | dutchfish | pmv, thank you very much again! |
| 09:58.02 | pmv | np mate |
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| 10:00.17 | PerfDave | Anybody know if there's any way to open PagePlus files on GNU/Linux? |
| 10:01.15 | dutchfish | pmv, thinking of it this auto-script by auth DNS server sould work on a bridges firewall too, is it? |
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| 10:07.17 | DirkGently | PerfDave: have you tried WINE? |
| 10:07.33 | pmv | dutchfish, sure, you can do that too |
| 10:08.12 | PerfDave | DirkGently: Nah, I can never be bothered fucking around with it, and I don't want to run non-free software. |
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| 10:09.06 | DirkGently | PerfDave: sorry it's early - I didn't see "files" |
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| 10:10.12 | levander | I've got some updates that are available to be applied to my system via apt. Anybody got a hint as to how to figure out what repositories these updates are coming from? E.g., which repository in sources.list? |
| 10:10.16 | dutchfish | pmv, taking the load of the firewall with a bridge-head with anti ddos rules and this script |
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| 10:10.46 | pmv | dutchfish, nice |
| 10:10.48 | PerfDave | levander: apt-cache policy $package |
| 10:10.51 | pmv | what do you mean by bridge-head? |
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| 10:11.46 | levander | PerfDave: beautiful, that's what I needed. |
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| 10:12.12 | dutchfish | pmv, mmm... this could also be the solution for fregmented packages falling in place on the bridge, another + regarding load |
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| 10:12.42 | pmv | fragmented packages falling? |
| 10:12.56 | pmv | dutchfish, you mean fragmented packets? |
| 10:13.19 | dutchfish | pmv, sorry for my bad english, i meant fragmented packets reassembling |
| 10:13.27 | pmv | yeah, you can do that too |
| 10:13.38 | pmv | though I have actually not tried normalization on iptables |
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| 10:13.45 | pmv | pf works fine for that |
| 10:13.54 | dutchfish | pf on bsd? |
| 10:14.11 | pmv | yup |
| 10:14.36 | pmv | I mostly use deb on my laptop, fbsd on the network infra |
| 10:15.14 | dutchfish | pmv, i tried with fbsd but it has so little hardware support. This was about 3 years ago i tried |
| 10:15.37 | pmv | dutchfish, not to piss off the general audience here, but fbsd works nicely nowadays :) |
| 10:15.48 | pmv | 7.0 is great. even 6.3 |
| 10:16.00 | dutchfish | pmv, ok, i know its offtopic, but pf is the nicest part of it, i know |
| 10:16.15 | pmv | :) |
| 10:16.44 | pmv | i like pf and the extensibility of netgraph |
| 10:16.57 | dutchfish | pmv, mmm... i could give it another shot just for the kicks and compare the load |
| 10:17.33 | dutchfish | pmv, specially on the bridged stealth firewall |
| 10:17.41 | pmv | oh yeah :) |
| 10:18.16 | dutchfish | pmv, you know of any good tutors? |
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| 10:23.25 | dutchfish | pmv, i wonder if it could do wire-speed, so far with debian i got it maxed at ~600mbit on e1000 nics on debian 2.6.18-6 |
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| 10:23.54 | dutchfish | pmv, it of coarse depends on the ruleset |
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| 10:42.59 | AVRS | hmm… my Thunderbird window has become an image of the top window of the previously-used workspace again. |
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| 10:45.07 | pmv | dutchfish, on broadcom we have gotten up to 700 |
| 10:45.15 | pmv | dutchfish, on intels up to 800 |
| 10:45.39 | pmv | this is without normalization |
| 10:45.41 | dutchfish | pmv, yes, it depends on the ruleset merely ~1400 lines |
| 10:46.02 | jelly-home | AVRS: usually it means the X app has hung somewhere and didn't update its window |
| 10:46.32 | AVRS | jelly-home: when I switch to another workspace, and back, the window updates to the new state of the top window there. |
| 10:47.01 | dutchfish | pmv, it has no asic :(, and i suspect the busspeed to be the bottleneck |
| 10:47.03 | jelly-home | AVRS: no, it just retains the pixels that were on the screen before |
| 10:47.04 | AVRS | Different workspaces, different windows, too. |
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| 10:47.24 | AVRS | jelly-home: why does it not happen when I just switch windows? |
| 10:47.27 | pmv | dutchfish, that is the common problem, yeah |
| 10:47.28 | dutchfish | pmv, the nics have checksum offloading so thats not it |
| 10:47.33 | jelly-home | AVRS: try moving the hung window a bit |
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| 10:47.47 | AVRS | jelly-home: ok, next time, I killed it. |
| 10:47.48 | pmv | AVRS, xkill |
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| 10:48.10 | AVRS | pmv: ? |
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| 10:48.32 | AVRS | pmv: is it relevant? Also, the manpage says it is dangerous ;-) |
| 10:48.47 | jelly-home | AVRS: it happens when you switch windows as well, but apps that work normally usually refresh their windows quickly |
| 10:48.59 | pmv | AVRS, what window manager? |
| 10:49.06 | AVRS | xfwm4 |
| 10:49.20 | Agiofws | can someone help me |
| 10:49.22 | Agiofws | root@ubu:/# mount -t cifs //192.168.3.51/home/agiofws/renders /mnt/mine -o user=agiofws |
| 10:49.24 | Agiofws | mount: block device //192.168.3.51/home/agiofws/renders is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 10:49.26 | Agiofws | mount: cannot mount block device //192.168.3.51/home/agiofws/renders read-only |
| 10:49.48 | pmv | Agiofws, it is read-only |
| 10:49.54 | pmv | check this on the server |
| 10:50.18 | anakim | what is the script for creating .dev packages from binaries? |
| 10:50.22 | Agiofws | agiofws@ixus:~$ls -ld renders/ |
| 10:50.22 | Agiofws | drwxrwxrwx 4 agiofws agiofws 4096 2008-03-30 06:38 renders/ |
| 10:50.26 | anakim | what is the script for creating .deb packages from binaries? |
| 10:50.32 | liable | !nmg |
| 10:50.32 | dpkg | from memory, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/, or ask me about <mentors> and <mg> |
| 10:50.35 | Agiofws | pmv, ? |
| 10:50.47 | jelly-home | Agiofws: or you didn't provide correct credentials to make samba give rw permissions |
| 10:50.47 | liable | anakim: read the new maintainers guide. |
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| 10:50.57 | pmv | Agiofws, the CIFS resource you are trying to mount is read-only |
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| 10:51.10 | Agiofws | cifs ? |
| 10:51.12 | pmv | Agiofws, and probably does not allow you access to it |
| 10:51.18 | pmv | Agiofws, you are mounting -t cifs |
| 10:51.23 | pmv | cifs/smb |
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| 10:52.04 | Agiofws | pmv, what does my other host mount it with exactly the same command ? |
| 10:52.06 | Agiofws | /192.168.3.51/home/agiofws/renders on /mnt type cifs (rw,mand) |
| 10:52.22 | pmv | Agiofws, same user? |
| 10:52.29 | Agiofws | yes |
| 10:52.41 | Agiofws | but another client |
| 10:52.45 | pmv | could be an IP ACL |
| 10:52.53 | Agiofws | ? |
| 10:53.01 | pmv | access-control list |
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| 10:53.42 | jelly-home | Agiofws: what do the server logs say? |
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| 10:55.24 | Agiofws | ixus:/var/log/samba# ls |
| 10:55.25 | Agiofws | cores log.nmbd log.smbd |
| 10:55.25 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.25 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 10:57.51 | Agiofws | canot find a log entry that tries to connect from that host |
| 10:58.23 | Agiofws | jelly-home, ? |
| 10:58.39 | dutchfish | Agiofws, did you check the firewall rules on the server box? |
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| 10:58.56 | Agiofws | yes they are flushed |
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| 10:59.22 | Agiofws | i told you that with the exactly the same command i connect from another host on my lan |
| 10:59.53 | dutchfish | Agiofws, and you have smbclient samba-common installed? |
| 11:00.04 | Agiofws | no |
| 11:00.06 | Agiofws | wait |
| 11:00.16 | Agiofws | root@ubu:/# smb |
| 11:00.17 | Agiofws | smbcacls smbclient smbcquotas smbget smbpasswd smbspool smbtar smbtree |
| 11:00.21 | Agiofws | yes |
| 11:00.35 | pmv | any special reason to use samba? |
| 11:00.43 | pmv | printing maybe? AD integration? |
| 11:00.51 | Agiofws | no |
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| 11:00.59 | Agiofws | setting up a render farm |
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| 11:01.28 | Agiofws | strangely this worked |
| 11:01.30 | Agiofws | root@ubu:/# smbclient -L 192.168.3.51 |
| 11:01.48 | pmv | NFS is a nice route |
| 11:01.59 | jelly-home | Agiofws: hm. You might have to change log level in smb.conf (man smb.conf) to get anything in server logs |
| 11:02.02 | Agiofws | do i have to set that WORKGROUP IXUS on client ? |
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| 11:02.34 | jelly-home | Agiofws: have you tried setting it? |
| 11:02.43 | Agiofws | on the client ? |
| 11:02.47 | jelly-home | yes |
| 11:03.11 | jelly-home | you can set it in the mount command line, man mount.cifs |
| 11:04.03 | Agiofws | root@ubu:/# man mount.cifs |
| 11:04.03 | Agiofws | No manual entry for mount.cifs |
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| 11:04.57 | dutchfish | Agiofws, do you use dhcp and if what version? |
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| 11:05.13 | Agiofws | no dhcp static |
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| 11:05.44 | jelly-home | Agiofws: anyway, just use -o user=foo,domain=yourworkgroup |
| 11:06.01 | Agiofws | root@ubu:/# apt-get install smbfs |
| 11:06.01 | Agiofws | Reading package lists... Done |
| 11:06.16 | jelly-home | !find /mount.cifs.8 |
| 11:06.23 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/mount.cifs.8' (1): (/usr/share/doc/samba-doc/htmldocs/manpages/mount.cifs.8.html) in doc/samba-doc. |
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| 11:06.55 | Agiofws | i just wonder why the other clients works fluently |
| 11:07.06 | Agiofws | with the same command |
| 11:07.22 | Agiofws | root@ubu:/# find /mount.cifs.8 |
| 11:07.22 | Agiofws | find: /mount.cifs.8: No such file or directory |
| 11:07.31 | dutchfish | Agiofws, is this client on the same subnet? |
| 11:07.49 | Agiofws | yes offcourse |
| 11:07.51 | Agiofws | wait |
| 11:07.56 | Agiofws | i had some progress |
| 11:08.03 | Agiofws | root@ubu:/# mount -t cifs //192.168.3.51/home/agiofws/renders /mnt -o user=agiofws |
| 11:08.03 | Agiofws | Password: |
| 11:08.12 | Agiofws | retrying with upper case share name |
| 11:08.12 | Agiofws | mount error 6 = No such device or address |
| 11:08.12 | Agiofws | Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs) |
| 11:08.16 | Agiofws | kick ? |
| 11:08.17 | Agiofws | lol |
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| 11:10.19 | Agiofws | root@ubu:/# mount -t cifs //192.168.3.51/renders /mnt -o user=agiofws |
| 11:10.19 | Agiofws | Password: |
| 11:10.19 | Agiofws | root@ubu:/# ohh ok |
| 11:10.19 | Agiofws | ok ok done |
| 11:10.20 | jelly-home | Agiofws: which debian release are you using? |
| 11:10.20 | Agiofws | well that one was ubuntu |
| 11:10.22 | Agiofws | now |
| 11:10.26 | jelly-home | ... |
| 11:10.31 | Agiofws | i just had to change the command a little |
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| 11:11.09 | Agiofws | mount -t cifs //192.168.3.51/renders /mnt -o user=agiofws thats workson ubunt this works on debian mount -t cifs //192.168.3.51/home/agiofws/renders /mnt -o user=agiofws |
| 11:11.27 | jelly-home | that's not the same share |
| 11:11.28 | Agiofws | "RENDERS" is the name of the share |
| 11:11.35 | Agiofws | it is |
| 11:11.43 | Agiofws | on the server though |
| 11:11.49 | jelly-home | don't use "/home/agiofws/renders", then |
| 11:11.59 | Agiofws | yeah |
| 11:11.59 | Agiofws | ok |
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| 11:12.13 | jelly-home | !penixstrike Agiofws |
| 11:12.13 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Agiofws to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 11:12.37 | dutchfish | !Ubuntu |
| 11:12.37 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 11:12.49 | Agiofws | yah but i had to install ... smbfs |
| 11:13.25 | LimCore | !sshfs |
| 11:13.25 | dpkg | well, sshfs is sshfs-fuse, or not shfs, or a nifty way to securely mount remote resources (without NFS / Samba). Homepage is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html>, FAQ is at <http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq>. (remember to compile/load 'fuse' module and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
| 11:13.49 | Agiofws | i know sshfs is really cool |
| 11:13.57 | Agiofws | all you need is ssh access |
| 11:13.57 | dutchfish | LimCore, its secure, but it is terribly slowww.... |
| 11:14.07 | Agiofws | but render farm uses samba |
| 11:14.12 | LimCore | dutchfish: its 50 mb/s for me |
| 11:14.15 | Agiofws | and fuse is slow |
| 11:14.26 | LimCore | the client have to be fast |
| 11:14.30 | dutchfish | !nfs |
| 11:14.31 | dpkg | i guess nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 11:14.31 | LimCore | but I was checking the version, 1.9 |
| 11:14.43 | LimCore | while nooby ubuntu is stuck wiht version 1.7 that crashes all the time, sigh |
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| 11:15.08 | LimCore | dutchfish: only make sure client have fast cpu :) |
| 11:15.31 | jelly-home | no need for sshfs on a trusted lan |
| 11:15.44 | dutchfish | LimCore, ok ok no fs war please, i know the merrits ;) |
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| 11:16.49 | LimCore | jelly-home: trusting lan may be first step to get owned imho |
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| 11:16.51 | dutchfish | on trusted lan i prefer nfs, it never let me down and has great performance |
| 11:17.13 | yacc | wonders how to clean out /var/lib/dpkg/available to make it smaller? |
| 11:17.27 | dondelelcaro | yure: why in the world would you even bother? |
| 11:17.28 | LimCore | last time I used NFS it wasn't very stable... for best speed I would use sshfs with ssh server with null cipher |
| 11:18.14 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: oh fuck, I just did "/msg dpkg forget available" ... so it did |
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| 11:19.05 | dutchfish | LimCore, NFS is stable (debian), you need to set it up properly, but sshfs has its use on non-secure nets i admit |
| 11:19.19 | yacc | dondelelcaro: well, dpkg seems not to good at keeping the database small, which makes it slower and slower over time. My install is around 3-4 years now (Kantonix => ... => lenny) so I have quite a bit of trash in there. |
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| 11:20.21 | yacc | dutchfish: NFS has a completly different "model" than say smb, or say sshfs. (NFS is about trust on host-by-host basis, smbfs/sshfs/... all login as one specific) |
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| 11:20.37 | dutchfish | LimCore, but anything better then smb ;) |
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| 11:20.52 | LimCore | yeah |
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| 11:21.15 | jelly-home | yacc: run dselect, update, quit? |
| 11:21.23 | Sup3rkiddo | hi al i am trying to install etch on my sony vaio cr...during the installation procedure, it tells me no cdrom drive was found and asks me to load a module manually, which one would it be? |
| 11:21.26 | basanta | any good vocal removing software ? |
| 11:21.33 | dutchfish | LimCore, and for those that are not convinced, run wireshark and observe ;) |
| 11:21.39 | yacc | dselect and what keypresses? |
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| 11:22.11 | jelly-home | dutchfish: just because a protocol is a little chatty doesn't mean it's crap! |
| 11:22.37 | yacc | jelly-home: dselect update seems to do the same fetching as apt-get update? |
| 11:22.56 | jelly-home | yacc: yes, but it also updates its available list. |
| 11:23.02 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: available is <reply> run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available" |
| 11:23.02 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 11:23.11 | dondelelcaro | yacc: what in the world are you trying to do? |
| 11:23.27 | dutchfish | jelly-home, i didnt meant that! i meant its performance, its tweaks and twiddles to have at least half the netspeed, and the overhead for server/client |
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| 11:23.48 | dondelelcaro | yacc: and assuming you've purged the other packages, they won't be in the available file anymore anyway, so it won't make a difference. |
| 11:24.43 | dutchfish | jelly-home, not to mention wins name resolution |
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| 11:25.16 | jelly-home | dutchfish: this is why we have Active Directory nowadays :-D |
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| 11:25.39 | valdyn | apt-listchanges is giving: bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError: (-30975, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- PANIC: fatal region error detected; run recovery') |
| 11:25.41 | dutchfish | jelly-home, and yes i know there has been improvements (445) |
| 11:26.10 | Bushmills | valdyn: problem with apt-listchanges |
| 11:26.19 | valdyn | Bushmills: yes. |
| 11:26.22 | yacc | dondelelcaro: Well, when I run say dpkg -l \*openoffice\* I get a ton of "un" packages, e.g. openoffice.org2-thesaurus-zh-tw. When I run apt-cache show on that name I get null output. So how do I make dpkg forget about not available packages? |
| 11:27.04 | Bushmills | valdyn: purging and reinstalling apt-listchanges helped here |
| 11:27.05 | jelly-home | Bushmills: problem with python, actually |
| 11:27.07 | dutchfish | jelly-home, have to coop with those "visxx, other oses" all they long, its a ever moving target .... sigh |
| 11:27.39 | jelly-home | valdyn: if you don't want to lose the listchanges db, you'll need to db4.6_dump and db4.5_load it |
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| 11:27.52 | dondelelcaro | yacc: uh... those packages aren't located in the available file anyway. |
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| 11:28.07 | my007ms | hello all |
| 11:28.23 | valdyn | jelly-home: ok, thanks, i justpurged, don't really need the db |
| 11:28.48 | my007ms | i need install Debian with min with the most lite GUI |
| 11:28.56 | dutchfish | jelly-home, AD is nothing more then chistmas tree on ldap, ie it has "lights" on top, that flikker often |
| 11:29.07 | my007ms | do i have to download more then the first CD ? |
| 11:29.13 | valdyn | my007ms: no |
| 11:29.23 | jelly-home | dutchfish: I know! But it works. |
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| 11:29.41 | yacc | dondelelcaro: <= grep -r on /var/lib/dpkg seems to find them in a Suggests: line :( |
| 11:29.53 | dondelelcaro | yacc: yes, so there you go. |
| 11:29.55 | jelly-home | dutchfish: setting up the tree by yourself is a pita |
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| 11:30.18 | dutchfish | jelly-home, no room for lazy admins ;) |
| 11:30.32 | dondelelcaro | yacc: the package is mentioned, so it shows up as package that dpkg knows about in theory, but it's not a Package: stanza in available. |
| 11:31.14 | dondelelcaro | yacc: what exactly are you trying to solve anyway? it's not like reading a few meg file is going to appreachably slow down the operation of dpkg unless your machine is absolute crap. |
| 11:31.44 | jelly-home | yacc: that's weird. I actaully did a deselect update and those un (and pn) packages disappeared from dpkg -l output, does this not happen at your place? |
| 11:31.45 | dondelelcaro | (and if it is, dpkg is going to be so slow anyway that it won't really matter) |
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| 11:32.00 | dutchfish | jelly-home, you certainly like ntlmaps then ;) |
| 11:32.09 | ziyax | Hello, I need some help on cacti & snmpd configuration, i done installation everything seems fine i can see ram/hdd etc stats but i can not see machines bw info how can i fix it or what should i do? |
| 11:32.27 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: they'll still be there if they're mentioned in the dependencies of anything in the available file |
| 11:32.43 | dondelelcaro | (or mentioned in status) |
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| 11:33.20 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: I'm left with only installed or conffiles-still-here |
| 11:33.30 | doubleCow | load average: 22.78, 27.36, 37.02 <-- help? how can i figure out what's doing this? |
| 11:33.41 | dondelelcaro | doubleCow: look at the ps output |
| 11:34.32 | valdyn | doubleCow: top will often give enough info |
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| 11:36.13 | xlotlu | what does one do with 2 bugreports that are word-per-word duplicates in the BTS... would notfound solve this, or just merge them? |
| 11:36.29 | dutchfish | ziyax, snmpwalk blahdiblah system |
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| 11:37.20 | nikos | hi |
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| 11:38.01 | nikos | How can I restore the default smb.conf in /etc/samba? |
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| 11:38.34 | my007ms | is there any why make me can use RPM in debian |
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| 11:39.04 | valdyn | my007ms: dont try |
| 11:39.06 | nikos | my007ms: There is a program called alien... |
| 11:39.12 | valdyn | my007ms: theres better solutions, always |
| 11:39.24 | dutchfish | nikos, usr/share/samba/smb.conf |
| 11:39.25 | my007ms | the problem i am coming from Fedora so |
| 11:39.29 | my007ms | i was used to use rpm |
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| 11:39.36 | valdyn | my007ms: dont. |
| 11:39.39 | nikos | But a valdyn says there are better solutions :) |
| 11:39.45 | my007ms | most software coming recompile in rpm |
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| 11:39.59 | itchi | my007ms: deb's are much better, easier to manage as rpm's |
| 11:40.05 | my007ms | yes |
| 11:40.10 | my007ms | this is why i come to debian |
| 11:40.24 | my007ms | but i still can not use something like rpm search engine |
| 11:40.36 | my007ms | and this things that was come from DAG |
| 11:40.37 | itchi | my007ms: apt-cache search <somethings> |
| 11:40.37 | Bushmills | for the one odd .rpm alien is often ok. for using rpm a lot, i'd suggest an rpm based distribution |
| 11:40.45 | itchi | my007ms: Take maybe the reference by hand?? |
| 11:40.51 | dutchfish | my007ms, apt-cache search foo |
| 11:41.04 | valdyn | my007ms: tell us the actual software you need and we can tell you how to solve installing it, and "/msg dpkg search" |
| 11:41.20 | Bushmills | but there aren't that many packages which come as rpm only. some non-free stuff, sometimes. |
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| 11:43.47 | my007ms | plus i start face some problem in fedora in developing |
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| 11:44.08 | my007ms | gcc and deps start give much error |
| 11:44.35 | my007ms | so one friend tell me Debian not have all this problem |
| 11:44.38 | Bushmills | so why would you want to use RPMs then? |
| 11:44.49 | dutchfish | nothing beats the quality of debian's packagemanager and developer tools ;) |
| 11:44.51 | my007ms | in fact i keep use Fedora since i was use redhat 7 |
| 11:45.16 | my007ms | i will learn things like rpm -ql rpm -qf .. etc |
| 11:45.28 | my007ms | but in debian way ;) |
| 11:45.35 | valdyn | !refcard |
| 11:45.35 | dpkg | i heard refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
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| 11:46.27 | dutchfish | my007ms, http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
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| 11:46.56 | my007ms | thanks much for help i think i will be in channel much time from now and up :D |
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| 11:47.30 | my007ms | now i download CD1 |
| 11:47.41 | my007ms | and will use apt-get to install what i need when i need it |
| 11:47.42 | dutchfish | !tell my007ms about netinstall |
| 11:48.19 | HardDisk_WP | hello all |
| 11:48.21 | HardDisk_WP | I just sent a reply to http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464777 to reopen it |
| 11:48.23 | HardDisk_WP | how long does it take until the message appears? |
| 11:48.35 | Bushmills | my007ms: you may, as alternative to apt-get, check out aptitude. |
| 11:49.06 | Bushmills | my007ms: apt-get / dselect is more used by the oldies. aptitude is a more recent package manager. |
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| 11:49.35 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, you get confirmation by mail when it is |
| 11:49.35 | my007ms | Bushmills do u think it's good idea to start with lite system and install thing when i need or install full desktop as start |
| 11:49.57 | Bushmills | my007ms: if you have a decent internet connection, yes |
| 11:50.08 | dererk | HardDisk_WP, there may be a huge delay because lists servers where down for several hours yesterday, but you'll recieve a confirmation when the action would take place |
| 11:50.10 | Bushmills | just add whenever you need something |
| 11:50.12 | HardDisk_WP | dutchfish, ah it's in :)...how can I make the bug be re-opened? |
| 11:50.56 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, i think only by replying to it, if its not manually closed and you have a good reason |
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| 11:51.19 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 11:51.38 | dererk | If it's closed, you have to reopen it |
| 11:51.45 | Bushmills | my007ms: about desktop vs no desktop, can't tell you. depends on what kind of using the system you feel comfortable with, |
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| 11:53.38 | dererk | HardDisk_WP, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control |
| 11:53.58 | dutchfish | HardDisk_WP, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-refcard.nl.html |
| 11:54.06 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 11:54.32 | dererk | HardDisk_WP, shortanswer: control@bugs.debian.org: body -> reopen bug# |
| 11:54.39 | HardDisk_WP | thx |
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| 11:55.16 | dererk | HardDisk_WP, Make a comment below that to give more information to help maintainer |
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| 11:57.40 | nikos | I have unistalled samba and deleted the directory /etc/samba. |
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| 11:58.05 | nikos | Now when I am installing samba it gives me errors and it doesn't generate /etc/samba |
| 11:58.22 | nikos | How can I make debian regenerate /etc/samba |
| 11:58.23 | nikos | ?? |
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| 11:58.37 | liable | !confmiss |
| 11:58.37 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 12:01.09 | jelly-home | nikos: simplest thing to do: purge the "samba-common" package, and reinstall |
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| 12:01.58 | dutchfish | mumbles something about backup ... |
| 12:02.37 | HardDisk_WP | goes nuts |
| 12:03.01 | dutchfish | !comfort HardDisk_WP |
| 12:03.01 | dpkg | There, there, HardDisk_WP. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 12:03.50 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
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| 12:05.13 | dererk | lol |
| 12:05.33 | nikos | jelly-home: Thank you! My /etc/samba is restored :) |
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| 12:08.46 | sinizzl | how can i configure a network device (eth0) to use PPPoE? |
| 12:08.48 | nikos | jelly-home: Let's suppose I edit smb.conf. When later I update samba on debian my changes in smb.conf won't be lost. But when I would like to restore the original smb.conf (without purging and reinstalling samba-common) what could I do? |
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| 12:09.02 | valdyn | sinizzl: run pppoeconf |
| 12:09.21 | sinizzl | mkay |
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| 12:09.34 | jelly-home | nikos: /usr/share/samba/smb.conf |
| 12:09.42 | sinizzl | how can i find out which ethX device is what ethernet jack? because i have 3 ethernet ports and i don't know which one is which. |
| 12:09.54 | sinizzl | besides: it shows me eth0-eth3. but i only have *three* network cards. |
| 12:10.01 | valdyn | sinizzl: ppoeconf should discover the access concentrator by itself |
| 12:10.23 | dutchfish | !tell sinizzl about z25 |
| 12:10.29 | sinizzl | it's not connected yet. |
| 12:10.43 | jelly-home | sinizzl: plug a single working cable into one and see what appears in dmesg |
| 12:10.53 | valdyn | sinizzl: 3 cards -> you can go by MAC, by driver used, see ethtool / mii-tool |
| 12:11.02 | nikos | jelly-home: out of curiosity... this goes for all packages in debian? Every package that saves configuration in /etc saves the original configuration in /usr/share/<package>? |
| 12:11.08 | jelly-home | nikos: no |
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| 12:11.41 | HardDisk_WP | sinizzl, one of those may be a FireWire port |
| 12:11.49 | HardDisk_WP | do you have firewire ports on your system? |
| 12:11.55 | jelly-home | nikos: you can get the config files from the .deb file by unpacking it somewhere |
| 12:11.56 | Bushmills | nikos: you could trick it to copy any changed /etc config to a dir of your choice, using copyfs |
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| 12:13.02 | nikos | jelly-home: I see. Thanks again! :-) |
| 12:13.08 | jelly-home | nikos: or make backups before altering critical services' config :-) |
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| 12:16.22 | dutchfish | the nice thing about /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules it makes nice comments above the rules wich is wich |
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| 12:18.12 | nikos | jelly-home: I am usually doing backups but I just stupidly deleted my smb.conf backup :). Still... I just extracted samba and samba.common and I didn't find a file /etc/samba/smb.conf... So I guess this file should be generated by a script... How can we regenerate it? |
| 12:18.34 | force | nikos: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 12:18.46 | sinizzl | is there a way to bypass pppoe access concentrator autodetection? i haven't plugged my DSL modem in yet... |
| 12:19.01 | force | how can i edit the cmos configuration from the command line? i need to disable halt on keyboard error |
| 12:19.03 | dutchfish | nikos, samba-common: usr/share/samba/smb.conf |
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| 12:19.37 | jelly-home | nikos: possibly by running dpkg-reconfigure samba-common |
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| 12:22.14 | valdyn | sinizzl: why dont you just plug it in |
| 12:22.30 | valdyn | sinizzl: pppoeconf is supposed to make this trivial, you can go the harder way too, sure |
| 12:22.55 | Bushmills | force: NVR can be mapped into the /dev devices mountpoint, looking like a file. but i forgot the name of the module which maps it. |
| 12:23.04 | sinizzl | hmmm |
| 12:23.07 | sinizzl | im gonna plug it in then |
| 12:23.45 | nikos | jelly-home: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> seems to do the job :-). That was what I was looking for. Thanks :-) |
| 12:23.56 | Bushmills | force: could be nvram |
| 12:24.13 | force | Bushmills: then which byte do i change? hehe.. i would prefer a tool if one exists |
| 12:24.36 | Bushmills | cmos layout can surely be looked up in the net. |
| 12:24.51 | force | possible hmm.. ill look into it |
| 12:25.16 | force | the only keyboard i can get my hands on is wireless and it doesn't seem to work until an os is loaded |
| 12:25.28 | Bushmills | force: then you can make a shell script, writing 0 or 1 to that location, and package it :) |
| 12:25.53 | force | indeed |
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| 12:29.11 | dutchfish | Bushmills, can i mount a extended bios part with nvram too? |
| 12:29.32 | Bushmills | mount a part? |
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| 12:29.51 | dutchfish | Bushmills, or complete extened bios |
| 12:30.00 | Ozuux | Is there any way to change Lynx UserAgent String/ |
| 12:30.01 | Ozuux | ? |
| 12:30.11 | Bushmills | nvram just reads from cmos clock chip, which has some battery backed ram locations |
| 12:30.30 | yang | I wonder can a NTFS partition be shared with Linux somehow, or is there any other way to preserve Windows partition, when doing dual-boot ? |
| 12:30.35 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ok |
| 12:31.05 | force | well its an eeprom chip |
| 12:31.24 | dutchfish | !tell yang about ntfs3g |
| 12:31.27 | Bushmills | force: that's why settings are lost when the battery is taken out? |
| 12:32.05 | yang | dutchfish: so the primary partition can be shared together with linux ? |
| 12:32.16 | dutchfish | yang, read and writable yes |
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| 12:32.45 | dutchfish | yang, if you only need read access ntfs mount will do |
| 12:32.59 | yang | dutchfish: my configuration is like this - I have one partition and it allready has wondows and I would like to have a dual boot with debian also |
| 12:33.41 | dutchfish | yang, thats another q ;) yes you can do that. Normally debians installer takes care of that with installing grub |
| 12:33.42 | force | well the bios is stored on an eeprom, i'm not sure on the settings |
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| 12:34.25 | yang | dutchfish: sounds good, but usually debian gets installed on an ext2 filesystem, i dont know if its supposed to work on ntfs? |
| 12:34.38 | dutchfish | yang, correction ext3 |
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| 12:34.50 | force | im gonna read up on that though, interesting |
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| 12:35.00 | samo_ | Hi all, I finally found yesterday how to tweak my menu.lst file in order to boot successfully into my debian but, after rebooting, the menu.lst file has been edited back to what it was and doesnt work again. How can I stop this update? |
| 12:35.06 | dutchfish | yang, why would you like to run debian from ntfs? |
| 12:35.48 | yang | dutchfish: becouse i have told you i have one partition made, which takes the whole drive and there are win xp on them, if i put a plain debian installer cd inside it will just delete the existing partition |
| 12:36.11 | dutchfish | yang, nope wrong. It will resize your partition |
| 12:36.24 | sinizzl | pppoeconfig says it does not recognize the access concentrator. i just plugged my DSL modem (configured as bridge) into eth0. it used to work fine with my linksys router |
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| 12:36.27 | dutchfish | yang, and make room (as much as you decide) for the ext3 partition |
| 12:36.36 | yang | hmm |
| 12:37.02 | dutchfish | yang, wich in turn can mount your ntfs partition within debian if you like |
| 12:37.37 | yang | How can it resize it, if the whole drive has been defined to use it with NTFS ? you say that its posible to resize? |
| 12:37.38 | dutchfish | yang, i think what you want can be done, but it is bad practise |
| 12:38.15 | dutchfish | yang, your debian installer prompts you a guide you through (make a backup before starting) |
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| 12:38.42 | yang | dutchfish: the other method is to write a new partition table 50% per windows 50% per linux, but in that case i would have to reinstall win xp all over again |
| 12:38.55 | dutchfish | yang, althernative you can use gparted for that before starting if you want |
| 12:39.24 | dutchfish | yang, no, thats what gparted exactly will do resize it |
| 12:39.29 | yang | ok |
| 12:39.41 | yang | good, i never thought it was possible |
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| 12:39.44 | dutchfish | yang, and the debian installer does the same |
| 12:40.04 | dutchfish | yang, read the manuals thoroughly before even starting |
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| 12:40.11 | yang | dutchfish: so installing debian with plain debian installer CD should do |
| 12:40.19 | dutchfish | yang, yup, again yup |
| 12:40.22 | jelly-home | yang: currently you have a single ntfs partition spanning the whole drive. gparted, partition magic, acronis disk director or similar tools (and, it seems, debian installer as well) can shrink that partition to make space for a second partition |
| 12:40.34 | yang | ah |
| 12:40.39 | yang | how nice |
| 12:40.45 | dutchfish | debian is nice! |
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| 12:41.30 | yang | I am not the fan of windows, but I am trying to preserve the windows xp partition for my girlfriend |
| 12:42.02 | yang | or anyone else who would get a hang of the computer |
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| 12:42.06 | Bushmills | that's what they always say :) |
| 12:42.08 | Trewas | yang: there's also wubi, which install linux in a file inside windows partition and does not require a partition for linux... though I don't know if it works with debian currently (it is for ubuntu) |
| 12:42.29 | dutchfish | Trewas, it sucks on performance |
| 12:42.55 | jelly-home | and there are always virtual machines |
| 12:43.11 | dutchfish | !virtualbox |
| 12:43.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, virtualbox is a virtual machine solution. Check out the website http://www.virtualbox.org/, or #vbox on irc.freenode.net |
| 12:43.12 | yang | jelly-home: well, what i need is only a good manual about that - so that i don't make a mistake, probably its described in the usual installer guide |
| 12:43.37 | jelly-home | yang: make a backup of your windows installation first. |
| 12:44.03 | yang | well virtualbox seems nice indeed |
| 12:44.17 | dmilith | sorry |
| 12:44.23 | dmilith | did anyone use runit "? |
| 12:44.53 | dutchfish | yang, its nice for tryout debian, but sooner or later you will surely go for an extra partiton and dual boot (performance) |
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| 12:59.02 | dmilith | !runit |
| 12:59.03 | dpkg | i guess runit is a free (public domain) replacement for DJB's daemontools, at http://smarden.org/runit/ ; a process management and supervision system (keeps daemons running, etc.). |
| 12:59.17 | dmilith | yea.. that's what i know.. |
| 12:59.20 | dmilith | !runit smp |
| 12:59.32 | dmilith | !runit_smp |
| 13:00.04 | dmilith | have anyone had problems with runit and smp processor. |
| 13:00.26 | dmilith | it tells me that i have one processor.. (yes. ofcourse i have kernel compiled with SMP) |
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| 13:00.56 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 13:02.38 | dutchfish | dmilith, what does cat /proc/cpuinfo tells you? |
| 13:03.23 | dmilith | dutchfish: that's curious. it tells that i have one processor! |
| 13:03.40 | dutchfish | dmilith, 2.6.18-6 kernel? |
| 13:03.54 | dmilith | nope. self compiled. 2.6.24.3 |
| 13:04.01 | dnanar | i've got a .iso which contain the image of a dvd movie wich (normally) have english subtitles. when i do "mplayer a.iso" then "v" to activate subtitle (mplayer says "Subtitles : enabled"), any subtitle appears ... does anyone know how to solve that ? maybe first i should try to get a list of subtitles presents, but i don't know how to do that... |
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| 13:04.10 | abrotman | dmilith: did you compile SMP into your config ? |
| 13:04.26 | abrotman | CONFIG_X86_SMP=y |
| 13:04.28 | dmilith | yes. ofcourse. it works fine on sysvinit init |
| 13:04.29 | dmilith | yes. |
| 13:04.47 | dutchfish | dmilith, you need to set your .config for smp to get it going, just use your old config of original debians kernel (SMP) |
| 13:04.51 | dmilith | i've installed runit init replacement |
| 13:05.02 | dmilith | naaah |
| 13:05.17 | dutchfish | dmilith, what cpu anyway? |
| 13:05.22 | dmilith | amd64 x2 |
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| 13:05.43 | dmilith | grep SMP /config |
| 13:05.51 | dmilith | CONFIG_SMP=y |
| 13:05.52 | dmilith | ... |
| 13:06.07 | abrotman | not enough |
| 13:06.07 | dmilith | that's suspicious.. |
| 13:06.53 | dutchfish | dmilith, CONFIG_PM_SLEEP_SMP=y CONFIG_SUSPEND_SMP_POSSIBLE=y CONFIG_HIBERNATION_SMP_POSSIBLE=y CONFIG_VIDEO_VP27SMPX=m CONFIG_X86_FIND_SMP_CONFIG=y (mine on x32) |
| 13:06.57 | dmilith | CONFIG_SUSPEND_SMP_POSSIBLE=y |
| 13:06.58 | dmilith | CONFIG_HIBERNATION_SMP_POSSIBLE=y |
| 13:07.10 | dmilith | that's all with SMP |
| 13:07.15 | dmilith | but it works fine.. |
| 13:07.20 | abrotman | dmilith: try it with a debian kernel and runit |
| 13:07.27 | dmilith | hm. |
| 13:07.34 | dmilith | i'm compiling new one.. |
| 13:07.40 | dmilith | i'll try |
| 13:07.45 | abrotman | dmilith: DEBIAN KERNEL |
| 13:07.59 | abrotman | dmilith: we're not going to sit here and troubleshoot your messed up kernel |
| 13:08.04 | dmilith | abrotman: ;} |
| 13:08.45 | dmilith | if You want to help.. try to give me a hint.. i told You that kernel worked fine.. before i switched to runit. |
| 13:08.58 | Penix | he gave you a hint |
| 13:09.05 | Penix | there's obviously something wrong with your kernel config |
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| 13:09.12 | abrotman | dmilith: if you want to help .. TRY A DEBIAN KERNEL |
| 13:10.01 | dmilith | ok |
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| 13:11.10 | WormFood | what happened to the "prism54" driver in the debian sid 2.6.24 kernel? it was in 2.6.18 and 2.6.22 |
| 13:11.43 | abrotman | WormFood: changelog ? |
| 13:11.59 | WormFood | rolls his eyes |
| 13:12.01 | dutchfish | WormFood, /usr/src/linux-2.6.24.4/drivers/net/wireless/prism54/built-in.o |
| 13:12.32 | stew | WormFood: there are p54pci and p54usb now |
| 13:12.43 | WormFood | but the seem to be softmac drivers |
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| 13:13.07 | WormFood | maybe I was told wrong info in #prism54 |
| 13:13.25 | stew | WormFood: what were you told? |
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| 13:14.11 | WormFood | to unload the p54 drivers and load the prism54 drivers/module |
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| 13:14.46 | WormFood | I'm running the softmac and my card can use the fullmac or something like that |
| 13:15.26 | WormFood | I'm not real up on wireless networking under Linux....I've had good luck in the past with normal pci cards, but not with these mini-pci |
| 13:16.03 | stew | WormFood: if you need the prism54 driver, you'd need to recompile the kernel or use an older debian kernel |
| 13:16.35 | WormFood | recompile the kernel? I can do that, but I really don't want to |
| 13:16.47 | WormFood | is lazy |
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| 13:17.07 | WormFood | I used to always compile my kernel from source, but not in the last few years (since I have been running debian) |
| 13:17.14 | stew | WormFood: then don't compile it |
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| 13:19.05 | stew | WormFood: what is the problem with the softmac drivers? |
| 13:19.07 | pumpkin0 | where is the help-channel for jam (the buildtool) ...? |
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| 13:20.42 | WormFood | they just act goofy as hell |
| 13:20.50 | stew | WormFood: can you be more specific? |
| 13:20.54 | WormFood | does not play well with kismet |
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| 13:21.04 | WormFood | can't change channels if the interface is up |
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| 13:21.38 | WormFood | kismet claims it is changing channels, but I see packet count go up on APs on other channels it is not on |
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| 13:25.00 | dmilith | ok problem solved. |
| 13:25.00 | CalebRipley | http://paste.debian.net/52158 I anyone able to tell me which packet left on my system and how do you found that out. |
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| 13:26.49 | stew | CalebRipley: i'd guess the problem is that this sourcecode is broken in a way that it only compiles with older versions of g++ |
| 13:26.49 | yacc | Anyone got an idea what this means: Fatal: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work. |
| 13:27.01 | stew | CalebRipley: what is it that you are trying to compile? |
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| 13:29.11 | dmilith | abrotman: could You tell me please, which packages i could remove after installing runit? sysvinit.. what more? |
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| 13:29.17 | CalebRipley | stew: jahshaka - a videoeditor. |
| 13:29.23 | dmilith | is there any howto/ docs about it? |
| 13:29.32 | abrotman | dmilith: /usr/share/doc/runit/ ? |
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| 13:31.21 | dmilith | abrotman: :} thanks |
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| 13:36.51 | flyingparchment | what package contains the gcc 4.1 documentation in debian 4.0? |
| 13:37.16 | yacc | Just wondering, what command is recommended to configure Xorg on lenny? |
| 13:37.30 | asg | flyingparchment: gcc-doc |
| 13:37.46 | dutchfish | yacc, as far as i know still dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:37.50 | flyingparchment | asg: Package gcc-doc is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 13:37.57 | flyingparchment | there's a gcc-2.95-doc, but no gcc-4.1-doc |
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| 13:38.28 | yacc | dutchfish: will it configure OpenGL, ... correctly? |
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| 13:38.47 | yacc | dutchfish: a simple Intel 915GM setup. |
| 13:39.00 | asg | flyingparchment: do you have 'contrib' in your sources.lst? |
| 13:39.03 | dutchfish | yacc, 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 13:39.30 | flyingparchment | asg: no. gcc documentation is not in main? |
| 13:39.31 | yacc | 2.6.24.3, do I need to have kernel options configured to get it right? |
| 13:39.42 | asg | flyingparchment: no, it's in contrib due to invariant sections iirc |
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| 13:39.46 | dutchfish | yacc, with my 945xx i had no problems with that kernel |
| 13:39.49 | flyingparchment | i see. thanks |
| 13:40.03 | yacc | dutchfish: any options that I need to have enabled in the kernel? |
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| 13:40.09 | dutchfish | yacc, so i am not sure, just try |
| 13:40.24 | dutchfish | yacc, debians lenny 2.6.24 should do |
| 13:40.42 | yacc | dutchfish: I've got my own compiled. |
| 13:40.55 | dutchfish | yacc, sorry cant help you with that |
| 13:41.10 | dutchfish | yacc, but should be simulair |
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| 13:41.29 | dutchfish | yacc, compare the .config's if you want |
| 13:41.34 | d34l3r | which one is better for eclipse jsp/php development, kde or gnome? |
| 13:41.52 | dutchfish | d34l3r, i prefer gnome |
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| 13:42.18 | d34l3r | dutchfish: which one i can get a better performance? |
| 13:42.25 | intexity | on a freshly installed debian amd64, why would gcc not find stdio.h? |
| 13:42.27 | dutchfish | d34l3r, but eclipse can be a bit of a pita to setup |
| 13:42.33 | asg | intexity: install build-essential |
| 13:42.38 | intexity | thanks |
| 13:43.43 | d34l3r | dutchfish: eclipse setup is not big deal.. i used kde for 2 or 3 years.. i want to know which one i can get a better performance, since the machine is a turion 64 notebook.. |
| 13:43.45 | dutchfish | d34l3r, performance depends merely on tweaking eclipse |
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| 13:44.07 | dutchfish | d34l3r, it needs lots of mem on big projects |
| 13:44.26 | dutchfish | d34l3r, and make your workspace on dif disk ;) |
| 13:44.49 | d34l3r | dutchfish: but the eclipse - wm performance, understand? |
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| 13:45.32 | dutchfish | d34l3r, i didnt find a difference with kde/gnome, but tweaking eclipse did make a huge difference |
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| 13:46.46 | dutchfish | d34l3r, mostly it boils down to mem efficiency and disk speed not so much CPU |
| 13:46.55 | dmilith | abrotman: but there are no such information.. is it safe to remove sysvinit ? |
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| 13:47.12 | abrotman | dmilith: have you tried a debian kernel yet? |
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| 13:47.41 | d34l3r | dutchfish: but the eclipse stuff.. it runs better on gtk environment, right? |
| 13:47.52 | dutchfish | d34l3r, not to my findings, no |
| 13:48.25 | d34l3r | the eclipse fonts on my machine are so.. ugly eheh |
| 13:49.01 | dutchfish | d34l3r, hehe ... just setup gnome correctly and tweak eclipse to your likings |
| 13:49.33 | dmilith | abrotman: not necessary. i've solved processor problem. now i'm trying to figure out is sysvinit neccessary with runit |
| 13:49.34 | d34l3r | so it's better setup gnome or kde? |
| 13:50.11 | dutchfish | d34l3r, as i said already, performance wise there is not much difference (but i am more comfortable with gnome) |
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| 13:50.25 | abrotman | dmilith: you're going to have to read the docs .. it has a website .. all kinds of stuff |
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| 13:51.47 | xand | mooooooooo |
| 13:51.54 | dutchfish | d34l3r, because i use all kind off other tools like gphpedit, geany etc etc |
| 13:52.19 | d34l3r | dutchfish: what im you use on gnome? |
| 13:52.35 | dutchfish | d34l3r, im? |
| 13:52.43 | d34l3r | instant messenger |
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| 13:52.54 | dutchfish | d34l3r, yak, none |
| 13:53.22 | Debora | hey old bogs, how stable is kde 4 prealpha from experimental in lenny? |
| 13:53.29 | dutchfish | d34l3r, maybe gaim is something for you? |
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| 13:53.46 | d34l3r | i think that kopete is more nice then gaim/pidgin |
| 13:53.52 | abrotman | Debora: #debian-kde |
| 13:54.01 | Debora | okili |
| 13:54.12 | xand | wonders if "old bogs" is some kind of insolut |
| 13:54.14 | xand | *insult |
| 13:54.25 | Debora | not for you |
| 13:54.30 | Debora | just for the others |
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| 13:58.12 | hackeron | hey, can someone recommend a cheap sound card with 2 stereo inputs supported on linux? (by 2 stereo inputs I mean where I would be able to record both simultaneously, not one at a time) |
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| 14:00.19 | dutchfish | hackeron, you mean 4 dif channels? |
| 14:00.22 | CalebRipley | d34l3r: does kopete have an automated history mode? |
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| 14:02.15 | d34l3r | CalebRipley: can't understand, what do you mean? |
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| 14:03.10 | cahoot | hackeron: whats' 'cheap' ? < 100USD? |
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| 14:03.50 | dutchfish | i bought a 8 channel pre-amp board with spdif output fed to my linux board for $80 |
| 14:04.09 | CalebRipley | d34l3r: I must use kopete nowadays, and i drives me insane that i found nothing in the options about a history. It seems that there is only the possibiliy to save historys manually. |
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| 14:05.03 | d34l3r | CalebRipley: it's the plugin..you can even when you open a window, get the last messages with the contact.. |
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| 14:06.53 | salvin | can i put dpkg in #debian-it? |
| 14:06.58 | hackeron | dutchfish: cahoot: yes, 4 different channels (it's ok if there are only 2 stereo inputs though) and by cheap I was hoping for <$30 or maybe onboard some motherboard but I guess <$100 is fine :) |
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| 14:07.28 | stew | salvin: ask in #debian-bots |
| 14:08.11 | dutchfish | hackeron, just look at the radio-shacks for a pre-amp board with digital output, you have then better quality for less money if you only need input for more then 2 channels |
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| 14:08.53 | CalebRipley | d34l3r: thank you :), that is much better. |
| 14:09.08 | hackeron | dutchfish: I don't need good quality, I just to record 4 different mono microphones |
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| 14:09.35 | dutchfish | hackeron, yes i understand you, but you dont want to suffer noice ... |
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| 14:09.47 | hackeron | dutchfish: how would I use a cheap pre-amp to output 4 mono wav files? |
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| 14:10.31 | dutchfish | hackeron, thats where linux comes ones you have coming your digital stream coming in |
| 14:10.37 | salvin | stew, but is possible to get the info items of this dpkg? |
| 14:10.41 | dutchfish | hackeron, DSP |
| 14:10.47 | stew | salvin: /msg dpkg your factoids |
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| 14:12.16 | sgmadison | i've installed ipmasq and setup dhcp to server my switch, and am successfully getting IPs to all the computers on my LAN - however their not accessible by their hostnames, only IP address - what do i need to change or do to have the hostname resolve to that ip address that dhcp assigns? |
| 14:12.26 | hackeron | dutchfish: hmm, so you're saying I can split the digital signal into 4 mono channels? -- where would I get such a mixer for <$100 :) |
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| 14:12.41 | dutchfish | hackeron, there are actually a miriad of packages to to that depending on your needs, like compression on the fly, convertin, digitally processing, normalizing etc etc |
| 14:13.17 | hackeron | dutchfish: can you suggest the cheapest you know? :P) |
| 14:13.20 | dutchfish | hackeron, google, or radio-shacks, keywords pre-amp digital output |
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| 14:13.42 | Winkie | does anyone happen to have xgettext installed and if so can you tell me which package it's from? |
| 14:13.55 | Akuw | where can i find good security docs to debian? |
| 14:13.58 | dutchfish | hackeron, back then i had one from european vendor over in here in the netherlands, but thats not gone work for you |
| 14:15.06 | hackeron | dutchfish: well, I'm in the UK, maybe I can have it imported :) -- do you have a link? |
| 14:15.15 | salvin | stew, thanks |
| 14:15.30 | dutchfish | hackeron, the analog boards and soundcards are of bad quality in that price region (signal/noice ratio) |
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| 14:15.48 | dutchfish | hackeron, googling for you hold on |
| 14:16.18 | hackeron | dutchfish: not too fussed about sound quality as long as you can make out what is being said :) - it won't be used for vocals or anything important |
| 14:16.42 | hackeron | dutchfish: I'm just googling too and seeing stuff in the $500-$2000 price range |
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| 14:17.14 | fiox | salve gente |
| 14:17.52 | hackeron | dutchfish: so assuming I find something - I plug in 4 mono channels to the mixer - plug it into the PC with SPDIF and what do I do then? -- do arecord -c4 -D my_spdif_device to ask it to record 4 channels? |
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| 14:18.32 | simNIX | hackeron: theres a live cd which creates a broadcast studio: maybe not what you are after but you could look at it to see what programs they use and whats detected http://dynebolic.org/ |
| 14:18.46 | dutchfish | hackeron, more or less, you can of coarse use streaming to compress, process, and normalize on the fly |
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| 14:20.33 | hackeron | dutchfish: I'm just googling for recording multiple channels from spdif and can only find how to record stereo, hmmmmm |
| 14:20.43 | dutchfish | hackeron, here is where i bought it back then (but it is dutch) http://www.hobbyelektronica.nu/07/elektuur.htm |
| 14:20.43 | ananth123 | how do i install kde4 (at least the libs/headers) in etch ? |
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| 14:21.29 | dutchfish | hackeron, it was a build it yourself board. Excellent sound quality |
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| 14:22.38 | dutchfish | hackeron, better go to a radio-shack and simply ask (quicker) |
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| 14:23.22 | dutchfish | hackeron, google seams to bit "biased" on this subject |
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| 14:24.38 | hackeron | dutchfish: I don't have a radio-shack in the UK far as I know :( -- there's "richer sounds" but they don't know anything, lol |
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| 14:25.24 | dutchfish | hackeron, i have to look it up for you, its not in my place wher ei am atm |
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| 14:26.10 | Trewas | hackeron: spdif supports only stereo PCM audio, more channels work only with ac3/dts |
| 14:26.29 | hackeron | Trewas: yeah, that's what I thought |
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| 14:27.21 | hackeron | dutchfish: hmm, so how would you get more than stereo out of spdif? -- it seems I have a choice of stereo, 5.1 ac3 and 7.1 ac3 and I doubht I can find an affordable mixer than can encode to 5.1 ac3 |
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| 14:28.57 | vjoe | hey |
| 14:29.09 | vjoe | i'm looking for a good screen locker |
| 14:29.15 | dutchfish | hackeron, hm i have to delve again into this, i had a setup with 8 channels, have to look at it how i did it back then |
| 14:29.23 | vjoe | xlockmore is good but I doesn't turn on automatically |
| 14:29.40 | Eulex | vjoe, xscreensaver |
| 14:29.41 | hackeron | dutchfish: 8 channels simultaneously unmixed? |
| 14:29.51 | dutchfish | hackeron, yup |
| 14:30.00 | hackeron | dutchfish: hmmm, please tell me how :) |
| 14:30.13 | vjoe | Eulex, it locks the screen? |
| 14:30.25 | Eulex | vjoe, if you tell it to do so. |
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| 14:31.25 | dutchfish | hackeron, similair to this: http://www.rainbowkits.com/kits/AD-8p.html |
| 14:31.52 | dutchfish | hackeron, but mine was 16bit |
| 14:31.52 | hackeron | dutchfish: so what did you use on the pc side to record? |
| 14:32.01 | dutchfish | hackeron, yes |
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| 14:32.43 | dutchfish | hackeron, or more precise the pc streamed it to my lan |
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| 14:33.00 | hackeron | dutchfish: no, what did you use on the PC to stream it to your lan? :) |
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| 14:33.35 | hackeron | dutchfish: also, the link you sent me just displays spectrums, you can't hear anything |
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| 14:35.06 | dutchfish | hackeron, i didnt use its software, its simply a A/D converter but as i said "simular" to mine, wich was 16bit |
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| 14:36.03 | dutchfish | hackeron, and it had pre-amp for microphones on each channel |
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| 14:36.41 | dutchfish | hackeron, its outputs are spdiff |
| 14:36.46 | hackeron | dutchfish: this thing connects to your parallel port - are you saying it sends 8x8bit audio down the bandwidth of the parallel port? :) |
| 14:37.10 | dutchfish | hackeron, you can do that, buts thats really poor audio |
| 14:37.54 | dutchfish | hackeron, please reread what i have said " simular" |
| 14:38.21 | Giszmo | my debian box keeps redirecting "STOP! WINDOWS REQUIRES IMMEDIATE ATTENTION ..." to random ips. how can i find out what is doing this? wireshark tells me the ports: destination is my IP:10026 what then causes a send from my ip:(no port?). running knoppix it sends back to the sender. on my debian i had different receivers |
| 14:38.21 | Giszmo | thanx in advance for any hints |
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| 14:39.05 | hackeron | dutchfish: you sent me a link to "8 CHANNEL CHART RECORDER" -- that's chart recorder - it doesn't record audio |
| 14:39.22 | dutchfish | hackeron, of coarse |
| 14:39.26 | yang | dutchfish: when resizing windows NTFS partition, then I select debian to use also NTFS as a filesystem ? |
| 14:39.42 | abrotman | uh no |
| 14:39.49 | dutchfish | yang, no |
| 14:39.59 | yang | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s05.html.en#id2532702 |
| 14:40.20 | hackeron | dutchfish: sorry, I'm very confused, lol - can you give me a link to something that can record audio and not just show a spectrum on screen? |
| 14:40.25 | yang | I can convert NTFS and make available space for a new partition, which can then be converted into ext3 ? |
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| 14:41.30 | raju | anyone tell me to do a project in FOSS |
| 14:41.36 | dutchfish | hackeron, i tried to explain to you that you CAN use a A/D converter board with spdiff outputs for recording more then 2 channels digitally. You have dig the internet/shops to buy such a kit cheap. |
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| 14:41.50 | Giszmo | raju: what are you looking for? |
| 14:42.22 | raju | with debian i want to do good project in debian |
| 14:42.29 | raju | with debian i want to do good project in FOSS |
| 14:42.36 | hackeron | dutchfish: but that link has no spdif or any audio output at all :( -- can you give me an example of something that has spdif out of more than 2 channels? |
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| 14:42.42 | dutchfish | hackeron, its over 4 years ago, i have done this |
| 14:42.57 | Giszmo | raju: so you want to help out in any project? my favourite is the game globultaion2(.org) |
| 14:43.12 | Giszmo | globulation2 |
| 14:43.16 | dutchfish | hackeron, that link was JUST an example of such an A/D converter board, i didnt say thats the one you need. |
| 14:43.31 | raju | Giszmo, give the link that has a list of project in FOSS |
| 14:43.44 | abrotman | raju: freshmeat.net |
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| 14:44.03 | karim | hi |
| 14:44.28 | Giszmo | raju: there is no list of all foss. there never will be. freshmeat is a good start although you will not find glob2 there ;) |
| 14:44.32 | karim | is there a way to run the debian installer from a running debian system to install on another drive ? |
| 14:44.34 | hackeron | dutchfish: but that example doesn't output audio at all - you may as well give me a link to a serial relay box in that case, lol |
| 14:44.45 | abrotman | karim: debootstrap |
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| 14:44.55 | dutchfish | hackeron, ok, my fault nvm |
| 14:45.08 | raju | Giszmo, if you know any good projcet based on FOSS please share with me |
| 14:45.15 | dutchfish | hackeron, thought it was helpfull in explaining |
| 14:45.16 | karim | abrotman, yes I do that most of the time, but is there a way to have the full step by step sequence like in the installer ? |
| 14:45.17 | abrotman | raju: try ##linux |
| 14:45.30 | karim | abrotman, with same menus etcetera |
| 14:45.41 | abrotman | karim: not that i know of .. debootstrap is the closest you'll get AFAIK .. ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 14:45.44 | Giszmo | raju: i guess there will be about 500 fav projects to be found in this chan alone |
| 14:45.48 | karim | ok |
| 14:46.10 | ananth123 | raju: you select based on what you like and what you can contribute |
| 14:46.21 | raju | Giszmo, can you tell me some projects |
| 14:46.28 | Giszmo | raju: wikipedia has sections for that, too |
| 14:46.38 | abrotman | raju: go to freshmeat.net .. look for yourself |
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| 14:46.50 | Giszmo | raju: there are approximately 10billion projects ... i told you my fav |
| 14:47.03 | Giszmo | lol |
| 14:47.09 | hackeron | dutchfish: well, I use various serial/parallel devices similar to what you linked, but that really has nothing to do with PC audio recording |
| 14:47.26 | raju | Giszmo, ok |
| 14:47.45 | LjL | what may be overwriting /etc/resolv.conf in etch? (i have dnsmasq installed) |
| 14:48.06 | abrotman | LjL: your dhcp client? |
| 14:48.55 | LjL | abrotman: quite possibly. what would be the "right" way to stop it from doing that? |
| 14:48.57 | dutchfish | hackeron, there: http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/M-AUDIO-DELTA-66-PCI-24-96-S-PDIF-IN-OUT-SOUNDCARD_W0QQitemZ220201006749QQihZ012QQcategoryZ3278QQcmdZViewItem |
| 14:49.08 | Giszmo | :( not anybody with an idea on my problem of resending spam messages? (see 10 minutes ago) |
| 14:49.33 | abrotman | LjL: configure your dhcp client to not get nameservers |
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| 14:49.55 | abrotman | Giszmo: it's your system, see what you've installed, but that doesn't sound like anything debian would do |
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| 14:51.08 | hackeron | dutchfish: yeah, I know this one, 8 inputs - only 4 of them are analog and the spdif inputs are stereo |
| 14:51.20 | Giszmo | abrotman: well knoppix is debian based ... should i look at some linux-net chan? |
| 14:51.35 | abrotman | Giszmo: i have no idea what knoppix does .. there is ##knoppix |
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| 14:52.05 | dutchfish | hackeron, such things come in kits also. Thats all i can help you so far ... |
| 14:52.41 | hackeron | dutchfish: I guess I'll keep looking :( |
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| 14:53.13 | Giszmo | i got this with a live cd and the installed sys both debian. nevermind. i will have to configure iptables ... thanx anyway |
| 14:53.26 | dutchfish | hackeron, if you need good quality el cheapo, yes i am afraid you have to |
| 14:54.25 | Kauhsa | Anyone remember, with which software I can change startup application graphically? |
| 14:54.37 | dutchfish | hackeron, my best bet is phone some kit supplier in your country, google is very biased on this subject |
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| 14:57.17 | hackeron | dutchfish: no, I don't need good quality - just has to be cheap :) |
| 14:58.32 | hackeron | dutchfish: as long as I can make out what the person is saying into the microphone it's good enough - even if it's crackly, distorted and half the spectrum is missing, that's fine too - I just need 4 mono input channels of terrible quality that is cheap :) |
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| 14:58.53 | RedEyess | Hell |
| 14:58.55 | RedEyess | Hello. |
| 14:59.11 | RedEyess | How do i generate apache2 ssl certificates under Lenny |
| 14:59.25 | dutchfish | hackeron, why not use multiple usb mics then? |
| 14:59.27 | RedEyess | I was trying this http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 |
| 14:59.38 | Kauhsa | bum. |
| 14:59.43 | RedEyess | but apache2-ssl-certificate as a command but... |
| 14:59.43 | hackeron | dutchfish: the mics are about 50m away from the PC |
| 14:59.47 | RedEyess | it doesn't work |
| 15:00.05 | hackeron | dutchfish: it's analog capacitor micrphones connected through a shielded cat-5 cable |
| 15:00.14 | hackeron | dutchfish: quality is really not an issue here :) |
| 15:00.38 | abrotman | make-ssl-cert |
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| 15:00.53 | RedEyess | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 15:00.58 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 15:01.28 | HardDisk_WP | a question to irexec/lirc... |
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| 15:01.42 | HardDisk_WP | i want to have it as a daemon to make xine start when i press the power button |
| 15:01.45 | dutchfish | hackeron, then disassemble those usb mics and build an el-cheapo pre-amp at the end of the cable: http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/ampins/balanced/balfig5a.gif |
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| 15:02.03 | HardDisk_WP | this works, but irexec runs as root => xine crashes, complains about missing display |
| 15:02.05 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: power button the remote or computer? |
| 15:02.11 | HardDisk_WP | remote^^ |
| 15:02.15 | mbroeker | damn: my audio is broken in kde-3.5.8: http://rafb.net/p/vO4zy060.html |
| 15:02.16 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: so use 'su' |
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| 15:02.55 | HardDisk_WP | :) |
| 15:03.31 | hackeron | dutchfish: the problem with usb mics is they use a condensor microphone which you can't really use a preamp on :( -- if they used a capacitor micrphone (those normally have a pre-amp on them as standard) then I would |
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| 15:04.15 | dutchfish | hackeron, you can with TL071 (high impendence, low distortion) opamp |
| 15:04.17 | nkuttler | mbroeker: doesn't look like you're running stable... install working packages |
| 15:04.33 | itchi | Hi, how can i remove "Mar 30 16:43:10 sun -- MARK --" from the /var/log/messages log file? |
| 15:04.33 | mbroeker | nkuttler, thx :) |
| 15:04.44 | dutchfish | hackeron, i have to stop with this topic, its offtopic actually .... |
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| 15:04.47 | itchi | That log get spammed with these messages |
| 15:05.17 | nkuttler | mbroeker: oh, and /msg dpkg bts, /msg dpkg snapshot |
| 15:05.22 | hackeron | dutchfish: well, then the other problem is those microphones are not omnidirectional and those that are can only hear up to 10cm away from the source only |
| 15:05.44 | dutchfish | hackeron, back to digital then ;) |
| 15:06.11 | hackeron | dutchfish: lol, I still can't find any way to get more than stereo out of spdif in |
| 15:06.22 | abrotman | !mark |
| 15:06.24 | dpkg | mark was Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/init.d/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart. In testing or unstable change /etc/default/syslogd... |
| 15:06.25 | dutchfish | hackeron, 2 spdiff ;) |
| 15:06.48 | itchi | abrotman: Thanks! |
| 15:06.55 | hackeron | dutchfish: lol, I only have 1, then we're back to the original problem of finding a card that can record from more than 1 stereo input :) |
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| 15:07.37 | WormFood | why did the debian gods decide to remove the prism54 drivers in the sid 2.6.24 kernel, but they are still in the 2.6.22 kernel? the "p54" drivers don't work worth a fuck, but the "prism54" drivers work great! |
| 15:07.53 | abrotman | WormFood: send an email .. ask them |
| 15:08.27 | andrei | Would the SoC mentors be interested in a proposal for good handwriting recognition? |
| 15:08.37 | cahoot | looks like there's a 'for me' missing there |
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| 15:09.56 | abrotman | andrei: for Debian? |
| 15:09.57 | nkuttler | WormFood: they did? are you sure it's not just the firmware that's missing? |
| 15:10.15 | WormFood | I'm 100% sure it is not the firmware that is missing |
| 15:10.47 | WormFood | there is no "prism54" drivers in the sid 2.6.24 kernel |
| 15:10.47 | nkuttler | time to roll your own kernel i guess |
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| 15:10.48 | nkuttler | with kernel.org sources |
| 15:10.53 | WormFood | I think I may just need to compile that driver....but if I have to compile my own kernel to get this working, then so be it |
| 15:10.57 | andrei | abrotman, Yeah. There is no project that this would fit in well with. So I'm proposing it for the distributions. |
| 15:11.15 | abrotman | andrei: ask #debian-soc on irc.oftc.net |
| 15:11.23 | andrei | abrotman, Thanks :) |
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| 15:11.44 | hark | WormFood: the p54* drivers are there instead afaik |
| 15:11.52 | dustybin | on debian etch, i have installed fail2ban |
| 15:11.56 | dustybin | but i keep on getting random stops |
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| 15:12.08 | dutchfish | hackeron, well, at least i tried |
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| 15:12.30 | WormFood | hark, I already said that...and I also said the p54 drivers don't work worth a fuck! they suck horribly bad |
| 15:13.00 | abrotman | WormFood: file a bug or compile your own .. or make them work .. |
| 15:13.02 | WormFood | with the prism54 drivers, I can pick up over 100 wireless networks, because kismet scans properly....with the p54 drivers I'd be lucky to pick up 1/2 dozen networks |
| 15:13.02 | dustybin | for no reason at all 7:25am this morning, fail2ban stopped and restarted? |
| 15:13.14 | WormFood | I will compile my own, or use 2.6.22 kernel |
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| 15:13.37 | nkuttler | WormFood: /msg dpkg kp |
| 15:13.48 | hackeron | dustybin: thanks for that :) - I'm still as lost as ever but you did give me an idea, maybe the sblive can record from spdif and line-in simultaneously, hmmmmmmm |
| 15:13.49 | hark | WormFood: oh didn't notice your earlier comment.. :) |
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| 15:14.13 | WormFood | that is ok hark, it is easy to miss stuff on a channel as busy as this....it happens to me too ;) |
| 15:15.06 | Giszmo | hi again ... just in case anybody finds my question above in the caht logs: the answer has to do with ICMP redirects that are easy to forge and can be disabled (google is your friend) |
| 15:15.31 | itchi | abrotman: btw, that mark factoid needs to be updated, previous testing release is now stable |
| 15:16.33 | stew | WormFood: it sounds like you shouldn't use unstable, but should stick to stable |
| 15:17.07 | WormFood | heh...thanks for the advice stew |
| 15:17.20 | WormFood | I couldn't stand stable...too far behind |
| 15:17.43 | stew | WormFood: then it doesn't sound like debian is for you |
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| 15:17.52 | WormFood | I want my system to be "unusable" (my name for "unstable") |
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| 15:18.11 | WormFood | stew, I have been using debian for quite some time now |
| 15:18.17 | s0u][ight | hi guys how do i install ffmpe-php? |
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| 15:19.38 | stew | WormFood: its just that if you are going to be this annoyed at having to bring down your interface in order to change channels, and are too lazy to do the few simple steps to fix it yourself, you shouldn't be using unstable. you've spent more time here complaining about it than it would have taken to fix it, because, as you claim, you are too lazy |
| 15:20.02 | itchi | abrotman: Did you update it? :-) |
| 15:20.06 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:20.08 | WormFood | I want it to work well...I had no idea it was loading the "wrong" drivers |
| 15:20.19 | WormFood | it is far beyond taking down the interface to change channels |
| 15:20.28 | itchi | abrotman: Cool, saw it :-p Wanted to modify it and saw it was good now :-) Thanks! |
| 15:20.28 | WormFood | I want kismet to work right with my wireless card |
| 15:20.29 | stew | WormFood: so why not use the drivers you prefer? |
| 15:20.38 | stew | WormFood: then it sounds like you should be using the other driver |
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| 15:21.03 | WormFood | because I expected them to be included with the kernel....and they are included with the 2.6.22 kernel (in debian), but not the 2.6.24 kernel |
| 15:21.13 | stew | WormFood: they aren't |
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| 15:21.19 | WormFood | they are in the kernel, but for some reason the debian maintainers decided not to include them |
| 15:21.26 | stew | WormFood: do you have a question? |
| 15:21.37 | stew | WormFood: or are you just here to complain? |
| 15:22.12 | WormFood | yes, I do have a question....where do I change the setting that changed the name of my ethx interfaces....I tried a few different wireless cards and now my nic is on eth4 (and there is no eth0, eth2 or eth3) |
| 15:22.20 | stew | WormFood: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 15:22.38 | WormFood | thanks stew....and I'm not here to complain |
| 15:22.54 | stew | WormFood: do you have a question related to your wireless problem? |
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| 15:23.20 | WormFood | not anymore, I think you guys answered all my recent questions to the best of your abilities...thanks a lot (i mean it) |
| 15:23.23 | Cayn | Does anyone know how you switch between screens when using "seperate x screen" with an nvidia gfx card? |
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| 15:23.39 | WormFood | I'm sorry if I sound like I'm just bitching/whining/complaining |
| 15:23.40 | St0n3-C0l | How do i copy files from daap to pc in rhythmbox? |
| 15:23.50 | petemc | you dont |
| 15:24.07 | St0n3-C0l | petemc: I have |
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| 15:24.20 | St0n3-C0l | But in debian it's not shown the folders |
| 15:24.20 | petemc | why do you ask then? |
| 15:24.34 | petemc | how did you do it before? |
| 15:24.36 | reaVer | what package contains the 'host' program? |
| 15:24.39 | reaVer | or 'hostx' |
| 15:24.42 | St0n3-C0l | It was in ubuntu by default |
| 15:24.43 | stew | reaVer: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 15:24.45 | St0n3-C0l | the folders were created |
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| 15:25.02 | St0n3-C0l | In home folder, with a name of Music. I used to copy and paste in that folder and done! |
| 15:25.12 | St0n3-C0l | petemc: How do i create a folder there in rhythmbox? |
| 15:25.22 | reaVer | stew: dpkg isn't responding |
| 15:25.34 | petemc | St0n3-C0l: i dont know, but ive never seen anyone copy files using daap either |
| 15:25.42 | St0n3-C0l | petemc: It does work ;) |
| 15:25.44 | St0n3-C0l | Try it some time |
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| 15:25.58 | metbsd | exim4 config file sucks |
| 15:26.14 | WormFood | metbsd, don't use exim4 then ;) |
| 15:26.16 | abrotman | use postfix? |
| 15:26.16 | stew | metbsd: thanks for sharing |
| 15:26.21 | nkuttler | sendmail! |
| 15:26.25 | metbsd | i use qmail |
| 15:26.26 | WormFood | qmail! |
| 15:26.34 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 15:26.39 | reaVer | nvm |
| 15:26.41 | nkuttler | hehe |
| 15:26.41 | reaVer | it is now |
| 15:26.41 | St0n3-C0l | Does anyone know how to create a folder in Rhythmbox? |
| 15:27.13 | metbsd | for postfix , does it support real virtual domain/user |
| 15:27.25 | pingouin | metbsd: yes |
| 15:27.32 | metbsd | i remember postfix just create hash table for virt dom and users |
| 15:27.42 | stew | metbsd: what do you mean by "real"? |
| 15:27.45 | pingouin | you can make it also with dabase |
| 15:28.17 | metbsd | does it have a good mail concept as qmail |
| 15:28.28 | pingouin | i dont know qmail..... |
| 15:28.33 | stew | metbsd: what does that mean? |
| 15:28.39 | dutchfish | postfix-mysql |
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| 15:29.09 | metbsd | like seperate files for rcpt, domains, user, sendmail like .forward file |
| 15:29.10 | metbsd | etc |
| 15:30.04 | abrotman | i think everything uses sendmail-like .forwards |
| 15:30.12 | abrotman | on linux anyways |
| 15:30.14 | WormFood | is there any way to disable F1 bringing up gnome help? (tired of help coming up 90% of the time I try to hit the 'esc' key on my laptop) |
| 15:30.15 | petemc | everything sendmail compatible |
| 15:30.18 | dutchfish | postfix needs those postmap made db for performance reasons |
| 15:30.29 | stew | metbsd: you can have separate files for domains and users. you can have .forward files. what do you mean by 'separate files for rcpt'? |
| 15:30.36 | metbsd | isn't postmap a hashtable file |
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| 15:31.03 | dutchfish | postfix will accept many different backends |
| 15:31.07 | stew | metbsd: postmap is a utility for making a hastable file, which is one of the many ways you can give postfix this type of information |
| 15:31.08 | metbsd | stew, i mean in qmail, they put rcpt to allowed host name in one file, |
| 15:31.26 | metbsd | yes i remember i di d that on postfix before |
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| 15:31.56 | stew | i don't know what 'rcpt to allowed host name' is |
| 15:32.06 | metbsd | so far qmail's configuration makes most sense to me |
| 15:32.07 | Erik12 | I have a laying-around HD which I suspect of having an EXT3 fs on it with my all-important backup on maybe /var/www. How can I find out for sure on my new etch2 system ? |
| 15:32.27 | WormFood | metbsd, I don't think that is entirely true...if memory serves me correctly, they only allow you to put a few rcpt to in one file....more than a few (25 or 50 I think), then they want you to make a database file (I forget the details, because I never needed to use that many) |
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| 15:32.46 | metbsd | stew, it's for relaying for any incoming mail, rcpt file decide whether or not deliver the mail |
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| 15:33.12 | cusco | Erik12: you mean you have an extra HD plugged in wich might have data on a ext3 fs? |
| 15:33.13 | dutchfish | Erik12, fdisk -l |
| 15:33.26 | Erik12 | cusco: not yet plugged in... |
| 15:33.33 | metbsd | i thought rcpt just specify what domains to accept mail |
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| 15:33.52 | petemc | rcpt is shorthand for recipient |
| 15:34.05 | metbsd | if domain is not in rcpt, and the sender is allowed to relay, then the rcpt is simply ignored |
| 15:34.11 | WormFood | metbsd, but the flat text file has a limited number of entries it will accept (if memory serves me correctly) |
| 15:34.11 | metbsd | that's how qmail work |
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| 15:34.14 | stew | metbsd: you can do this in postfix as well |
| 15:34.18 | Erik12 | dutchfish: you mean: just plug it in as hdb or so and see with fdisk ? |
| 15:34.36 | dutchfish | Erik12, yes, but not hotplug;) |
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| 15:34.45 | Erik12 | no hotplug no... |
| 15:34.47 | WormFood | metbsd, I have been running qmail for almost 10 years, but once I get it setup I rarely have to touch it |
| 15:35.04 | s0u][ight | hello apt-get install php5-ffmpeg doesn't work with me :( |
| 15:35.08 | metbsd | that's because you know what you doing |
| 15:35.11 | s0u][ight | what could be the reason? |
| 15:35.12 | petemc | or not |
| 15:35.24 | Erik12 | dutchfish: etc won't complain because of overlapping partitions ? the current systenm already has /var |
| 15:35.25 | vjoe | hey |
| 15:35.26 | s0u][ight | trying to install it on my server |
| 15:35.29 | vjoe | I'm having a problem |
| 15:35.33 | nkuttler | !tell s0u][ight about doesn't work |
| 15:35.35 | vjoe | I'm trying to extract a rar |
| 15:35.36 | metbsd | i'm qmail newbie, i find i know how email works better after i config qmail |
| 15:35.37 | vjoe | and it says |
| 15:35.38 | vjoe | Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 15:35.39 | Erik12 | etc = etch |
| 15:35.42 | dutchfish | Erik12, as long as you wont mount it no |
| 15:35.55 | stew | s0u][ight: php5-ffmpeg isn't in stable. you'd have to use a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:35.59 | cahoot | WormFood: remap F1 with xmodmap? |
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| 15:36.04 | WormFood | metbsd, there are some fantastic qmail resources out there on the net, but they are sometimes hard to find |
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| 15:36.25 | WormFood | cahoot, I would think there is a way to "fix" that from within gnome, without having to remap F1 |
| 15:36.29 | dutchfish | Erik12, and thats defined in /etc/fstab |
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| 15:36.59 | WormFood | metbsd, did you find the qmail flow chart yet? |
| 15:37.06 | Erik12 | dutchfish: ok.. I'll take the plunge then.... |
| 15:37.56 | victo- | I just did a dist upgrade and updated my kernel from 2.6.22-3 to 2.6.24-1 but for some reason the .24 kernel doesn't boot (It either hangs after "waiting for dev to be fully populated...done" or will get to the login prompt and won't let me login (i can type in username/password but it just hangs). Is there a logging mode I might enable to see what's going on? |
| 15:38.02 | metbsd | WormFood, no, where is it |
| 15:38.04 | s0u][ight | stew: so how will i do it? |
| 15:38.10 | s0u][ight | i realy need it |
| 15:38.12 | Erik12 | dutchfish: the initial mounting is done by way of fstab ? so if hdb is not in fstab, it won't mount ? |
| 15:38.19 | WormFood | metbsd, I forget, it has been so long, but it is a huge help |
| 15:38.20 | metbsd | i'd like to see the chart, im too much into qmail |
| 15:38.21 | dutchfish | Erik12, right |
| 15:38.25 | Erik12 | thnx |
| 15:38.36 | WormFood | metbsd, give me a few minutes and I'll see if I can find it real quick for you |
| 15:38.41 | stew | s0u][ight: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:39.00 | WormFood | metbsd, go ahead and /msg me, so we aren't talking about non-debian stuff here |
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| 15:39.39 | dutchfish | Erik12, and you can even mount it somewhere completely diferent place like /mnt/yourplace ro (read only) to inspect savely as soon as you know its partition type |
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| 15:40.15 | Erik12 | ok |
| 15:40.18 | Erik12 | nice |
| 15:40.33 | metbsd | qmail is by far the only mta that makes so much sense to me,but it uses alot patches |
| 15:41.05 | WormFood | yes, it uses a lot of patches, because the original author won't update it....I even have a few custom patches to it myself ;) |
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| 15:41.22 | WormFood | his philosophy is "if it ain't broke, then don't fix it" |
| 15:41.24 | metbsd | what patch |
| 15:41.29 | stew | metbsd: well hopefully you'd see that situation get rectified at some point, since qmail was very recently actually made free software. it might even be in debian at some point |
| 15:42.03 | dutchfish | stew, oh, so no longer compile-it-yourself form non-free? |
| 15:42.06 | metbsd | plz show me qmail flowchart |
| 15:42.13 | WormFood | I reject email at the initial conversation if the mailbox is not on a white list....but my whitelist has wildcards and such, and is a shell script (not suitable for busy servers) |
| 15:42.22 | WormFood | metbsd, have you checked out http://lifewithqmail.com/ ? |
| 15:42.23 | stew | dutchfish: currently yes. but since now it is free, it could go into debian, which afaik is being worked on |
| 15:42.36 | dutchfish | stew, ah nice one |
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| 15:43.06 | stew | i mean 'currently you still have to compile it yourself from non-free' |
| 15:43.11 | dutchfish | stew, mm.. does bernstein still live? |
| 15:43.30 | WormFood | metbsd, just search for "qmail flowchart", and you'll find http://www.thedjbway.org/qmail/qmailflow.html |
| 15:43.39 | WormFood | dutchfish, as far as I know he does |
| 15:44.03 | dutchfish | WormFood, good, he surely knew what he was doing back then :) |
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| 15:44.05 | abrotman | dutchfish: yes, but he gave his stuff all away .. he realized it all sucks .. flawed designs :) |
| 15:44.07 | stew | dutchfish: yes, but afaik he quit qmail and put it into the public domain |
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| 15:44.49 | WormFood | if he put it into the public domain, then debian can include it as a package, but the last I remember the debian maintainers wouldn't include it due to license restrictions |
| 15:45.22 | dutchfish | yep source distrubution only, but that has apareantly changed now |
| 15:45.23 | s0u][ight | stew it aint working |
| 15:45.34 | metbsd | WormFood, there should be a better one |
| 15:45.34 | abrotman | WormFood: honestly ... it's not worth the effort |
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| 15:45.52 | stew | WormFood: previously there was no way it could be in debian becuase of a lack of a distribution license. now that it is public domain, it could go into debian, but a package has not yet been prepared |
| 15:45.57 | WormFood | metbsd, I remember seeing a bigger flowchart, but I can't find it |
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| 15:46.05 | stew | s0u][ight: you'll have to be more specific if anyone is going to be able to help you |
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| 15:47.31 | s0u][ight | well i'm trying to install the packagephp5-ffmpeg but ap-get says it can''t find it :( |
| 15:47.43 | stew | s0u][ight: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:47.52 | WormFood | metbsd, have you been to qmail.org? that really is the place to go |
| 15:47.59 | s0u][ight | sec. |
| 15:48.08 | iveqy | hi, how can I set preselected file permissions in a map or for a user? When I create a new file the permissions id 644 but I want it to be 664 |
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| 15:48.11 | moshii | exim works fine for me ;) |
| 15:48.14 | metbsd | i went lwq |
| 15:48.21 | dutchfish | takes the dust of davids sill's handbook of qmail |
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| 15:49.06 | WormFood | I should submit my patches to qmail.org, because I'm sure others would like to have them too ;) |
| 15:49.35 | dutchfish | mumbles about nice nostalgia |
| 15:49.49 | s0u][ight | http://pastebin.com/m21af62be here is y output but i'm sure the package existed |
| 15:50.05 | s0u][ight | the site of ffmpeg-php says it works |
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| 15:51.17 | WormFood | metbsd, I can't find that flowchart I was looking for right now....spend a little time on qmail.org and I'll bet you can find it too |
| 15:51.28 | ohcibi | does debian switches automatically between summer- and wintertime |
| 15:51.29 | moshii | Whats a good tool to benchmark md arrays? hdparm -tT doesn't seem to give very good results.. |
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| 15:52.07 | moshii | ohcibi: IIRC you get asked if you want that to happen when some of the base packages are configured |
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| 15:53.02 | abrotman | it depends on the timezone you choose |
| 15:53.12 | abrotman | moshii: lmbench or bonnie ? |
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| 15:53.49 | WormFood | is glad he is in an area that does not use "gaylight savings time" |
| 15:54.09 | moshii | abrotman: ah, bonnie was the one I was thinking of. I'll give lmbench a go |
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| 15:54.34 | amphi | WormFood: yeah, it irritates me intensely |
| 15:54.43 | moshii | WormFood: my ex's dad gets messed up for months when it changes |
| 15:55.10 | WormFood | I've known people to lose their jobs when they were an hour late because of the clock change |
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| 15:55.33 | ohcibi | moshii: i was wondering why the system-time is now summertime although i never did install any packages for that... |
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| 15:55.43 | WormFood | and I love it when people say "time changed", beause I'll fuck with them...."I don't remember any time warp! really? 'time changed'?" |
| 15:55.51 | moshii | WormFood: you don't have rules the require n ammount of warnings before being fired over there then? |
| 15:56.11 | WormFood | moshii, this person was already on thin ice with the place they were working |
| 15:56.15 | abrotman | moshii: think minimum wage |
| 15:56.36 | WormFood | moshii, that was in usa, and I'm not in usa anymore ;) |
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| 15:56.54 | WormFood | where I am, anyone can get fired for anything |
| 15:56.55 | moshii | abrotman: I've worked minimum wage,.. still have laws ;) |
| 15:57.11 | moshii | WormFood: Good if you're a boss |
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| 15:57.35 | WormFood | in fact, many companies here will hold back back a month worth of wages, and if you want to quit without permission, you lose a month of pay |
| 15:57.41 | pumpkin0 | my gcc cannot output clean error msgs. It replaces the token it's talking about with "â". why and how do i stop it ? |
| 15:57.57 | moshii | WormFood: not working as an english teacher somewhere by any chance? |
| 15:58.05 | WormFood | not yet |
| 15:58.09 | ymorin | is there a logo for cvs? |
| 15:58.15 | pumpkin0 | like "error: â is not a member of â" ... |
| 15:58.19 | amphi | ymorin: a snail? ;) |
| 15:58.30 | WormFood | I'm hoping to find a job working with Linux....I found a job, I just need to send them my resume |
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| 15:58.43 | abrotman | moshii: my state is an at-will state |
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| 15:59.09 | WormFood | moshii, did you figure out where I am? |
| 15:59.11 | ymorin | amphi, on which license? |
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| 15:59.36 | amphi | ymorin: eh? |
| 15:59.39 | moshii | WormFood: nope, I'll start the digital stalking machine now |
| 15:59.48 | abrotman | WormFood: i'm telling your government you circumvented The Great Firewall |
| 15:59.57 | WormFood | it isn't hard, my IP tells where I am |
| 16:00.06 | WormFood | abrotman, it isn't "my" government |
| 16:00.17 | dutchfish | abrotman, or was it the Great Wall? |
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| 16:00.28 | victo- | I just upgraded my kernel from 2.6.22-3 to 2.6.24-1 (dist-upgrade in debian lenny) but for some reason the .24 kernel doesn't boot (It either hangs after "waiting for dev to be fully populated...done" or will get to the login prompt and won't let me login (i can type in username/password but it just hangs). What error logs should I be looking at to debug this? |
| 16:00.33 | WormFood | and I'm allowed to tunnel out of the great firewall....if I read their laws correctly |
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| 16:01.15 | moshii | WormFood: ah, china, going to work for a gambling company or something then? |
| 16:01.21 | amphi | heh |
| 16:01.31 | WormFood | victo-, I had some weird problems with 2.6.24 too (on sid)...all of my problems were related to the padlock modules it was loading and my airo driver...some weird interaction |
| 16:01.53 | WormFood | moshii, no, if I can get the job I'm looking at, I'd be working for IBM, I think....I'd have to look over the job in more detail |
| 16:02.26 | WormFood | I'm sure I can get a job as an english teacher here....but I want to get my TEFL certificate first....I'm working on it |
| 16:02.39 | moshii | WormFood: I wouldn't bother |
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| 16:03.20 | WormFood | I've already paid for it....so I want to get it....plus it will help me get a work visa in some cities (like 广州 (guangzhou)) where I am now |
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| 16:03.27 | moshii | WormFood: those english jobs are for what the locals term "White Monkeys". Unless it's at a university or something you will be literally treated like a monkey |
| 16:03.45 | WormFood | and if that is the case, I won't work for them |
| 16:03.59 | WormFood | I'm far too skilled to be treated like a monkey |
| 16:04.06 | dutchfish | moshii, be aware i am a white monkey ;) |
| 16:04.20 | WormFood | or I can just be a whore, and live off my girlfriend(s) here ;) |
| 16:05.10 | WormFood | I also know someone at a university, and they are going to recommend me to the administration :D |
| 16:05.17 | moshii | dutchfish: with or without yellow fever ;) |
| 16:05.18 | dutchfish | WormFood, finish you studie 1st rule |
| 16:05.28 | dutchfish | moshii, black fever ;) |
| 16:05.30 | WormFood | I will dutchfish ;) |
| 16:06.04 | moshii | WormFood: I found with the english teaching stuff, actually knowing what you're doing can hurt your chances of getting a job |
| 16:06.22 | WormFood | it depends on what type of job you want |
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| 16:06.55 | WormFood | I have a school that wants me for "conversational english"...they don't want me to speak chinese (which is not a problem, because I can only say a few words in chinese) |
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| 16:07.37 | moshii | WormFood: check the contract. You'll probably have to be clean shaven by contract haha |
| 16:07.55 | WormFood | clean shaven?...which part of me? ;) |
| 16:08.04 | dutchfish | big blue is not that bad |
| 16:08.15 | WormFood | I'd shave to work for big blue |
| 16:08.40 | WormFood | after IBM embraced Linux, I gained more respect for IBM |
| 16:08.50 | dutchfish | exactly |
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| 16:09.15 | WormFood | although I did like the OS/2 and PS/2 era...because I'd say "OS/2 and PS/2...half an OS for half a computer" |
| 16:09.27 | dutchfish | they should have bought that litle freak bill, back then, big mistake ;) |
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| 16:09.56 | WormFood | they should have had an exclusive contract for pc-dos, and prevented them from making ms-dos |
| 16:10.15 | ymorin | amphi, I found one icon http://durak.org/cvswebsites/cvssmaller.gif |
| 16:10.21 | WormFood | actually, I wished the PC was built around motorola CPUs |
| 16:10.23 | dutchfish | ah well, we all learn by mistakes, isnt it? |
| 16:10.26 | doschdn | hi. i use module-assistant to compile a kernel module for my debian box (etch). how can i set CFLAGS which are not set by default? |
| 16:10.40 | moshii | WormFood: yeah... motorola dont make cpu's anymore |
| 16:10.55 | WormFood | maybe not NOW, but back then they did |
| 16:11.13 | moshii | WormFood: They sold that to freescale. The fastest chips freescale have are nothing compared to Intel or AMD's |
| 16:11.18 | WormFood | actually, motorola does still make CPUs, but just under a different name |
| 16:11.46 | WormFood | I thought FreeScale was owned by motorola (or at least a majority of it) |
| 16:12.16 | HetaUma | how do I install compiz-fuison on lenny? |
| 16:12.17 | WormFood | I used to program the 6805 a lot....and that was a nice little 8-bit cpu to program for |
| 16:12.23 | moshii | WormFood: It's probably a tax/write off some losses plan |
| 16:12.38 | WormFood | I've also done a little 6809 and 68000 programming too (in asm, of course) |
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| 16:13.04 | Bushmills | i thought motorola cpus are more suitable for low-power and embedded use nowadays. |
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| 16:13.30 | WormFood | many smart cards use a 6805 based microcontroller |
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| 16:13.44 | WormFood | the ST7 CPU is a 6805 with extensions |
| 16:13.55 | WormFood | more addressing modes, and a few new opcodes |
| 16:14.05 | WormFood | a new register (Z) |
| 16:14.11 | moshii | Bushmills: freescale push a bunch of PPC based soc's these days. Low power, feature rich, not that fast |
| 16:14.11 | abrotman | HetaUma: it's already packaged |
| 16:14.11 | abrotman | !ot |
| 16:14.11 | dpkg | from memory, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 16:14.49 | moshii | Bushmills: there is a PPC board that'll run Debian for $99 out there ;) |
| 16:14.53 | Bushmills | WormFood: Hitachi controllers are also popular there. the H8 series - which coincidentally is a result of Motorola/Hitachi joint venture several years ago. |
| 16:15.29 | WormFood | yes, hitachi produced the 63xx family, which was a replacement for the 68xx family (IIRC) |
| 16:15.35 | abrotman | WormFood: try #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:16.15 | WormFood | abrotman, actually, I need to get out of here and compile my prism54 drivers...and email my resume to IBM :P |
| 16:16.25 | abrotman | whichever |
| 16:16.26 | dutchfish | fish likes wormfood on #debian-offtopic |
| 16:16.44 | HetaUma | abrotman, so just install compiz-gnome? |
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| 16:16.55 | abrotman | HetaUma: the package is called "compiz" |
| 16:16.59 | abrotman | !info compiz lenny |
| 16:17.03 | dpkg | compiz: (OpenGL window and compositing manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.6.3~git20071222.061ff159-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 60 kB |
| 16:20.58 | itchi | Hi, how can i make custom log rotations? Says the logs of irssi |
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| 16:21.21 | Bushmills | itchi: /etc/logrotate.d |
| 16:21.21 | dutchfish | !tell itchi about logrotate |
| 16:21.38 | itchi | Can i not make somethings user specifiq? |
| 16:21.50 | Bushmills | sure |
| 16:21.58 | Bushmills | but why? |
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| 16:22.13 | itchi | I mean that users coulad add/manage rotations without having the rights on /etc |
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| 16:23.00 | abrotman | a bash script |
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| 16:23.41 | itchi | Well, i go to check the logrotate.d and if needed ask some more details here :-p Thanks anyway! |
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| 16:24.54 | killown | hi what the best stable debian version? |
| 16:25.02 | moshii | killown: stable |
| 16:25.17 | efaistos | do you know if there is a software to sync htc phones with debian ? |
| 16:25.53 | killown | moshii, etch? |
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| 16:26.45 | moshii | killown: yes, depends what you mean by "stable" really though. If you mean never crashes.. thats something quite different |
| 16:26.47 | extor | is http capable of being recognized as an "established" protocol? In other words if I have a global "accept TCP ESTABLISHED" rule in iptables, will it allow all incoming http traffic to ge through without going all the way down the ruleset? |
| 16:27.13 | killown | moshii I want install the best version with gnome 2.22 |
| 16:27.21 | abrotman | lenny |
| 16:27.39 | killown | lenny testing abrotman ? |
| 16:27.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 16:27.51 | killown | thank you |
| 16:27.55 | RedEyess | which package is associated with a2ensite |
| 16:27.59 | abrotman | it has parts of 2.22 |
| 16:27.59 | RedEyess | or a2enmod |
| 16:28.08 | abrotman | !tell RedEyess about search |
| 16:28.22 | RedEyess | i tried looking through synaptic |
| 16:28.28 | RedEyess | and apt-cache search |
| 16:29.15 | dutchfish | extor, http does not make persitent connections, if that is your question? |
| 16:29.27 | dutchfish | s/persitent/persistent |
| 16:29.27 | extor | yes that was my connection |
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| 16:29.35 | extor | -A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT |
| 16:29.44 | extor | would that catch already present http connectons? or not? |
| 16:29.57 | dutchfish | extor, its a connectionless proto |
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| 16:30.20 | extor | so in other words it never ends up as a "TCP ESTABLISHED" socket user? |
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| 16:30.30 | extor | and that line is never catching any http incomings? |
| 16:30.32 | dutchfish | extor, you can only block NEW |
| 16:30.48 | extor | yeah block or approve |
| 16:30.55 | dutchfish | extor, yes |
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| 16:31.07 | extor | but after they are approved further down the chain, they do end up being TCP ESTABLISHED, right? |
| 16:31.26 | dutchfish | extor, FORWARD ruleset (hint) |
| 16:31.35 | extor | eh? |
| 16:31.49 | dutchfish | extor, like proxies do |
| 16:32.07 | extor | I'm just trying to block certain ip blocks as efficiently as possible |
| 16:32.28 | extor | I dont want the already working ones to have to go through a ruleset with every single click |
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| 16:33.10 | riot | heya |
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| 16:33.39 | dutchfish | extor, http://www.aboutdebian.com/proxy.htm |
| 16:33.55 | hoxu | extor, usually you accept established/related packets, and that iptables rule does not concern itself with the actual application protocol (HTTP), just lower level protos |
| 16:34.31 | extor | But http does not make PERSISTENT CONNECTIONS, does it? I mean it is not a persistent connection protocol so are you sure it can end up as a TCP ESTABLISHED connection? |
| 16:34.59 | extor | or does that iptable rule only apply to a lower level handshake thingy that doesn't care about http..which is layer 4 or something? |
| 16:35.28 | hoxu | extor, uhhuh, that does not make sense, HTTP is stateless protocol, but TCP which it's encapsulated in is not |
| 16:35.36 | hoxu | !confuse extor |
| 16:35.36 | dpkg | Yes, who are your bacon today, extor? shirts of the democracy of mongolia with extra cheese |
| 16:35.46 | extor | is indeed confused |
| 16:35.54 | hoxu | extor, your last line seems correct |
| 16:36.06 | extor | ahhh k |
| 16:36.18 | hoxu | extor, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model |
| 16:37.32 | hoxu | extor, also man 8 tables and search for "ESTABLISHED" and "RELATED" |
| 16:37.39 | hoxu | *iptables |
| 16:39.22 | my007ms | when i was install debian i was have no Internet connection so i escape mirror configuration but now i need to install thing over Internet |
| 16:39.38 | my007ms | but when i use apt-get install XXXX it keep tell me can not find XXXX |
| 16:40.10 | my007ms | how i can tell apt-get to search mirror and not only the first CD i install from |
| 16:40.28 | hoxu | !tell my007ms about sources.list |
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| 16:47.32 | Thanatermesis | !wicd |
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| 16:50.13 | wiggelibom | how can i remove a broken package ? i cannot "apt-get remove" because it says that files are missing |
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| 16:51.18 | Thanatermesis | is there any plan to import wicd to debian ? |
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| 16:53.29 | dvs | !ping |
| 16:53.30 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:53.52 | CalebRipley | wiggelibom: try man dpkg |
| 16:54.08 | hark | Thanatermesis: /msg dpkg wnpp |
| 16:54.34 | wiggelibom | CalebRipley: Well I have but either the information is not there or it is well hidden |
| 16:55.13 | Thanatermesis | thx hark :) |
| 16:55.35 | hark | wiggelibom: 'touch' the missing files and try again |
| 16:56.50 | hark | Thanatermesis: bugs.debian.org/455325 |
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| 16:57.31 | CalebRipley | wiggelibom: with dpkg -P <package> you will say dpkg to forget everthing he knows about the package, configuration files too! |
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| 16:58.00 | wiggelibom | CalebRipley:perfect |
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| 16:59.10 | wiggelibom | CalebRipley: however, -P purge doesn't work it seems to fail for the same reason as the -r |
| 16:59.53 | CalebRipley | wiggelibom: what is the message? And which package do you whant to remove? |
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| 17:03.00 | wiggelibom | CalebRipley: Nvm i removed some lines from the removal script and then it worked, but ty anyway |
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| 17:06.52 | CalebRipley | wiggelibom: Ok, i dont know the function of Nvm. So you have to be carefull but i think that the dpkg-option --force-all will remove the package. This option ignores all error, i think it is comparable with --force of other programms. (to others: please correct me if i am wrong) |
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| 17:10.13 | berzerka | CalebRipley: (i think nvm was supposed to mean "nevermind") |
| 17:10.32 | berzerka | doesn't like those acronyms |
| 17:10.45 | andriijas | i have a debian system with a debian system inside of it( chroot) is it possible to run nfs-kernel-server inside of the chroot if the nfs kernel modules are loaded in the host system? |
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| 17:12.11 | CalebRipley | berzerka: thank you, i am not familiar with english acronyms like that. |
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| 17:13.33 | omry | if I have python 2.4 and 2.5 install, how do I set the default version? |
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| 17:15.33 | jelly-home | omry: you can't |
| 17:15.38 | svref | After reboot, a lot of 'wierd' gui apps are segfaulting on startup: OpenOffice, googleEarth, gliv (an image viewer)...Other things seem fine: firefox, terminal, emacs, gnomish stuff. Any ideas on what could be causing it? |
| 17:15.58 | jelly-home | omry: use #!/usr/bin/python2.5 explicitely in your script if you want 2.5 |
| 17:17.24 | omry | jelly-home, bummer. |
| 17:17.25 | omry | why? |
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| 17:18.49 | ma3x | does the new version of the gparted live cd run on intel core duo2? |
| 17:18.55 | jelly-home | omry: other packages depend on 2.4 and not anything better |
| 17:19.02 | andriijas | omry: because system packages are relying on 2.4? just use debian unstable if you want 2.5 |
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| 17:19.21 | jelly-home | ma3x: gparted livecd is dead |
| 17:19.43 | jelly-home | ma3x: at least, it was dead a week ago. Maybe someone has taken it over |
| 17:19.46 | Eulex | ma3x, I've had it running on this box which has a core 2 duo. other than that, I believe processor has very little to do with whether it works or not. |
| 17:19.47 | vrv | Hello :) could anyone suggest how to mount encrypted lvm volume on another computer? |
| 17:19.47 | mbroeker | svref, try ldconfig -v as root: if that doesn't help, paste some infos related to the problem |
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| 17:20.43 | ma3x | Eulex, I tried booting with an older version and it outputted something like cpufreq error and it stopped there |
| 17:21.03 | Eulex | ma3x, heh, interesting |
| 17:21.04 | jelly-home | ma3x: there's this partedmagic.com livecd, haven't tried it yet. |
| 17:21.06 | hark | svref: are you running testing? |
| 17:22.01 | ma3x | gparted livecd was excellent until i got mine c2d |
| 17:22.56 | ma3x | so now the new project is parted magic livecd? |
| 17:23.02 | ma3x | that one's alive? |
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| 17:27.01 | svref | hark: /etc/issue: "debian gnu/linux 4.0". |
| 17:27.10 | jelly-home | !version |
| 17:27.10 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
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| 17:28.01 | jelly-home | ma3x: parted magic seems to be alive, yes. It also seems to be donationware |
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| 17:29.17 | svref | mbroeker: ldconfig -v complains a bit about not having /usr/lib64/ stuff, which is not suprising because it's a 32 bit machine... |
| 17:31.20 | DirkGently | jelly-home: what's your gripe with begware? |
| 17:31.25 | Eulex | svref, it's normal that it complains about /usr/lib64 not existing |
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| 17:31.56 | reaVer | ok, can someone tell me a program that does reverse dns lookups and dns info? |
| 17:31.58 | svref | mbroeker: also there are lines like "/lib/tls/i686/cmov: (hwcap: 0x80000000008000)",not sure if that's bad. |
| 17:32.28 | mbroeker | that's normal, svref |
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| 17:32.42 | svref | mbroeker: what exactly am I looking for that's bad? |
| 17:32.52 | DirkGently | reaVer: host? |
| 17:32.59 | reaVer | DirkGently: which package? |
| 17:32.59 | svref | mbroeker: hey, could it be nvidia propriatary drivers fighting with x.org? |
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| 17:33.30 | DirkGently | reaVer: it's a standard command |
| 17:33.38 | reaVer | not here |
| 17:33.44 | mbroeker | svref, can you paste strace <somebuggyapp> ? |
| 17:33.45 | reaVer | /bin/sh: host: command not found |
| 17:33.47 | DirkGently | `host ip_address` |
| 17:33.51 | reaVer | proof |
| 17:34.04 | mbroeker | svref, and ldd <somebuggyapp> |
| 17:34.16 | ma3x | jelly-home, is that a bad thing - donationware? |
| 17:34.19 | jelly-home | DirkGently: I find it a distasteful point between asking for the product's worth explicitely and giving it out without cost |
| 17:34.19 | themill | DirkGently, reaVer: it's in the package host or bind9-host |
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| 17:34.30 | reaVer | ty |
| 17:34.49 | DirkGently | ta themill |
| 17:35.05 | DirkGently | trying to remember how to do "what provides" in apt |
| 17:35.18 | svref | Err... kinda new to IRC, how do I "paste"? |
| 17:35.21 | reaVer | apt-file I guess:P |
| 17:35.31 | themill | reaVer: yep |
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| 17:35.33 | MrNaz | how do you change the locale of a user account? |
| 17:35.36 | jelly-home | ma3x: that's for you to decide |
| 17:35.36 | reaVer | svref: in Linux all pastes go by middle mouse button |
| 17:35.46 | DirkGently | svref: hightlight then middle-click |
| 17:36.08 | svref | reaVer: okay, you want me to paste 100 lines of debug output into the IRC channel? |
| 17:36.12 | ma3x | jelly-home, well gparted livecd wasn't a donationware and I didn't mind that. if magic parted is, I don't mind it either |
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| 17:36.21 | dvs | !paste |
| 17:36.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:36.26 | DirkGently | svref: lol no.. pastebin |
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| 17:36.49 | svref | ah |
| 17:37.06 | reaVer | dutch ftp server is behaving odd |
| 17:37.07 | hark | DirkGently: apt-cache rdepends foo |
| 17:37.28 | reaVer | I'll first update to check again:P |
| 17:38.18 | stew | DirkGently: "apt-cache showpkg virtualpackagename" has a "Reverse Provides" section |
| 17:38.28 | DirkGently | hark: thx |
| 17:38.37 | svref | http://paste.debian.net/52174 |
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| 17:40.27 | reaVer | nvm, dutch ftp server working as it should |
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| 17:40.41 | stew | heh, it only took 4 runs of "aptitude full-upgrade" to get this neglected ppc box up2date so i can start using it to debug a ftbfs |
| 17:41.11 | stew | did i really just say up2date? |
| 17:41.33 | themill | you did... now go and wash out your mouth with soap |
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| 17:41.55 | stew | its actually probably becuase it took me so long to get soap working on a redhat box this week |
| 17:42.44 | DirkGently | redhat sucks... I'm ashamed to call it Linux |
| 17:43.00 | MonsieurP | :| |
| 17:43.05 | svref | I seem to recall having this problem before ... memory is hazy, but I think it's a problem with the nvidia drivers (which I suspect don't respect apt) getting clobbered by a security upgrade. I'm going to reinstall those drivers (requires logging out of IRC) and come back. |
| 17:43.05 | MonsieurP | SLES sucks more :) |
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| 17:43.21 | jones_513 | does gtkpod work with the ipod touch? |
| 17:43.25 | thechef | How can I prevent an application from locking all keys |
| 17:43.41 | thechef | Or how can I regain control if an application locks all keys on the X-Server |
| 17:43.42 | DirkGently | we have to use it cos it's supported for enterprise backup |
| 17:44.59 | DirkGently | thechef: does it unlock eventually? |
| 17:45.32 | jelly-home | DirkGently: hah! We have an enterprise backup solution that supports debian! |
| 17:45.51 | DirkGently | jelly-home: bacula? :) |
| 17:45.52 | mbroeker | svref, looks "normal" the last command, getpid should'nt be responsible for it. |
| 17:46.04 | jelly-home | DirkGently: no, HP's crap |
| 17:46.10 | Wyzard | thechef: man xorg.conf... take a look at the "AllowDeactivateGrabs" and "AllowClosedownGrabs" options |
| 17:46.13 | thechef | DirkGently: unlock? I have an application of bad quality which randomly locks all keys |
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| 17:46.25 | thechef | Wyzard: Ah, thanks |
| 17:46.27 | DirkGently | thechef: don't run it then |
| 17:46.49 | thechef | DirkGently: Nah, we are not in the age of DOS where an application can force me to restart the computer |
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| 17:47.26 | ma3x | gparted livecd is done - not working |
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| 17:47.26 | DirkGently | thechef: we have crappy tomcat applets that kill the server |
| 17:47.32 | ma3x | saying something about io scheduler and stopping there |
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| 17:47.58 | DirkGently | developers should be made to support the servers if their apps leak |
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| 17:48.16 | DirkGently | they can spend all weekend nursemaiding them |
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| 17:48.58 | DirkGently | jelly-home: HP's enterprise backup? what's that? |
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| 17:49.24 | svref | Yeah, okay, it's some problem with nVidia |
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| 17:49.44 | ALiENr0x | hi all |
| 17:49.51 | ALiENr0x | who know i can fix it: |
| 17:49.51 | svref | Because when I "reinstall" the nvidia driver, it produces an "error", but the problem goes away. |
| 17:49.51 | ALiENr0x | Starting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshdMissing privilege separation directory: /var/empty |
| 17:49.54 | stew | debuild should have to b's |
| 17:49.59 | ALiENr0x | when start ssh |
| 17:50.26 | jelly-home | DirkGently: something called HP OpenView Storage Data Protector |
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| 17:51.19 | DirkGently | and they support debian? that's unusual |
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| 17:52.13 | jelly-home | DirkGently: they also have customized sarge and etch images that work on their hw |
| 17:52.34 | ALiENr0x | please how i can fix it: |
| 17:52.34 | ALiENr0x | Missing privilege separation directory: /var/empty |
| 17:52.35 | ALiENr0x | ? |
| 17:52.54 | DirkGently | jelly-home: we're using vmware |
| 17:53.01 | DirkGently | probably on HP |
| 17:53.31 | jelly-home | DirkGently: we're using RHEL only for the machines connected to the SAN, the rest is Debian |
| 17:53.32 | svref | ALiENr0x: thinking... |
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| 17:54.05 | ALiENr0x | svref: when i do /etc/init.d/ssh start |
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| 17:54.29 | DirkGently | dreams of a world where all servers are debian |
| 17:54.40 | svref | ALiENr0x: have you had a look at http://www.computing.net/solaris/wwwboard/forum/4000.html |
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| 17:55.50 | jelly-home | ALiENr0x: have you tried, dunno, creating that directory? |
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| 17:56.47 | dvs | jelly-home: That'll never work! ;-) |
| 17:57.04 | ALiENr0x | /var/empty |
| 17:57.08 | ALiENr0x | ? |
| 17:57.10 | ALiENr0x | this? |
| 17:57.23 | jelly-home | ALiENr0x: yes |
| 17:57.27 | ALiENr0x | k now try |
| 17:57.28 | ALiENr0x | thx |
| 17:57.37 | jelly-home | $DEITY... |
| 17:57.52 | thechef | Is it a bug if an application is able to lock Ctrl+Alt+F1? |
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| 17:58.26 | DirkGently | thechef: I would say so |
| 17:58.39 | thechef | Ah okay, looks like I have that bug |
| 17:58.41 | DirkGently | what about Ctrl-Alt-Backspace? |
| 17:58.48 | thechef | wasn't working either |
| 17:59.06 | DirkGently | it's obviously hanging the X server |
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| 17:59.42 | MrElendig | that's when you fire up ssh |
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| 18:00.37 | thechef | but the X-Server itself is displaying everything and updating the screen as normal. Is it some input thread hanging? |
| 18:01.11 | DirkGently | thechef: can you click the mouse or type? |
| 18:01.48 | ALiENr0x | jelly-home: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key where i can found it? |
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| 18:01.58 | thechef | It also locked the mouse for a while, but suddenly I could move the mouse and quit the application with the mouse i could also log in again, after I logged in again, the keyboard was working again |
| 18:02.33 | jelly-home | ALiENr0x: it sounds like your openssh-server package wasn't properly installed. Which debian release are you running? |
| 18:03.27 | ALiENr0x | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 18:03.30 | jelly-home | ALiENr0x: paste the output of dpkg -l openssh-server libc6 | tail -2 |
| 18:03.52 | ALiENr0x | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 18:03.52 | ALiENr0x | ii openssh-server 4.3p2-9 Secure shell server, an rshd replacement |
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| 18:04.15 | jelly-home | ALiENr0x: does the directory /etc/ssh exist at all? |
| 18:04.35 | ALiENr0x | yes |
| 18:05.08 | jelly-home | ALiENr0x: pastebin "ls -l /etc/ssh" |
| 18:05.27 | dvs | waits for the boot |
| 18:05.40 | jelly-home | !give dvs the boot |
| 18:05.40 | dpkg | gives dvs the boot |
| 18:05.47 | dvs | I knew it! |
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| 18:06.15 | ALiENr0x | http://pastebin.com/m5006cda2 |
| 18:06.39 | debian-is-me | Is the debian torrent supafast? |
| 18:06.54 | yacc | Just curious, is debfoster needed for apt-get autoremove? |
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| 18:09.16 | DirkGently | jelly-home: nice boot |
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| 18:10.42 | jelly-home | ALiENr0x: hm. does running "dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server" help? |
| 18:10.58 | ALiENr0x | i dunno |
| 18:10.58 | ALiENr0x | .. |
| 18:11.00 | ALiENr0x | now try |
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| 18:11.46 | nkuttler | ALiENr0x: you probably need to purge & reinstall openssh-server... or man 5 sshd_config |
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| 18:14.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, I wanted to convert a .prc file to something readable... seems it's not so easy... on debian |
| 18:14.41 | ohok | I just upgraded from php4 to php5 and restarted apache. php -v shows I am still running php4. What step did I miss? |
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| 18:15.06 | dvs | ohok: /etc/apache2/mod-enabled? |
| 18:15.10 | stew | ohok: what command did you try to run to upgrade from php4 to php5? and is it apache or apache2? |
| 18:15.39 | stew | it can't just be /etc/apache2/mod-enabled, because if php4 apache module is installed, then the php5 one must not be |
| 18:15.49 | facedow1 | hey there. my regular speakers work fine on thinkpad t60 however if i plug in my headphones (green to green) then i can't hear anything - im 98% sure my headphones are fine.. what can i do ? |
| 18:16.09 | stew | facedow1: run alsamixer and enable the headphone output |
| 18:16.17 | facedow1 | how do i run alsamixer |
| 18:16.23 | stew | facedow1: type "alsamixer" |
| 18:16.30 | facedow1 | as root? |
| 18:16.31 | dvs | stew: no!?! ;-) |
| 18:16.42 | stew | facedow1: as any user in the audio group, or root |
| 18:16.45 | dvs | facedow1: add yourself to the audio group and relongin |
| 18:16.57 | facedow1 | i typed alsamixer and i'm in now |
| 18:17.18 | facedow1 | card: HDA Intel, chip: generic 14f1 ID 5045 |
| 18:17.24 | facedow1 | view: playback, item: master |
| 18:17.25 | stew | facedow1: look for "Headphone" and make sure it is unmuted ('m' to tobble mute) |
| 18:17.41 | facedow1 | i dont see any 'Headphone' |
| 18:17.55 | stew | facedow1: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 18:18.04 | facedow1 | 2.6.18-6 |
| 18:18.07 | facedow1 | -686 |
| 18:18.23 | stew | facedow1: can you show us the output of "amixer" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:18.56 | ohok | it's apache2 on etch |
| 18:19.01 | facedow1 | http://rafb.net/p/JH3xfw99.html |
| 18:19.05 | ohok | i ran apt-get install php5 |
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| 18:19.14 | ohok | and I am checking mod-enabled |
| 18:19.35 | PleXuS | hi all, i wanted to make a deb package from my custom made kernel but there is a command at the beginning ot the rule called "fakeroot" how or where can i find that? |
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| 18:20.01 | stew | ohok: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 18:20.03 | Abnormal_Serbia | hi all |
| 18:20.04 | nkuttler | ohok: you probably want libapache-mod-php5 |
| 18:20.06 | ohok | ok, duh mods-enabled only has php4 |
| 18:20.15 | jelly-home | PleXuS: the fakeroot package |
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| 18:20.26 | ohok | thanks stew and nkuttler (I am running apache2) |
| 18:20.39 | Abnormal_Serbia | a wanted to install my eggdrop irc bot and it says that i need tcl, so which file from repositories should i install |
| 18:20.43 | dvs | grumbles |
| 18:21.14 | stew | ohok: after installing libapache2-mod-php5, you should have php5 in mods-enabled, if not, run "a2enmod php5" |
| 18:21.18 | markybob | update-grub is complaining "grub-probe: error: Cannot get the real path of `/dev/sdb'" but there's no sdb in menu.lst or even on my system so i dont know where it's getting that from |
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| 18:21.24 | facedow1 | perhaps i need to upgrade my alsa? |
| 18:21.26 | Abnormal_Serbia | anyone |
| 18:21.27 | Abnormal_Serbia | ? |
| 18:21.41 | PleXuS | jelly-home, thanks, you maybe known if there is a way to test the custom compiled kernel without reboot? |
| 18:21.41 | dvs | facedow1: or your kernel |
| 18:21.49 | facedow1 | uhh |
| 18:21.50 | ohok | sweet stew, sankoo |
| 18:21.53 | facedow1 | wtf? why my kernel? |
| 18:21.54 | jelly-home | PleXuS: no :-) |
| 18:21.59 | Abnormal_Serbia | jelly-home |
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| 18:22.05 | Abnormal_Serbia | a wanted to install my eggdrop irc bot and it says that i need tcl, so which file from repositories should i install |
| 18:22.24 | dvs | facedow1: the kernel may not recognize your chipset yet. That's where the sound drivers are. |
| 18:22.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: apt-cache search tcl? something like tcl8.3 or 8.4 |
| 18:22.38 | jelly-home | argh |
| 18:22.42 | Abnormal_Serbia | i did |
| 18:22.47 | Abnormal_Serbia | but it still wont work |
| 18:22.47 | ohok | ok, I now have mods-enabled/php5, and I restarted apache |
| 18:22.50 | Abnormal_Serbia | same error |
| 18:22.54 | stew | Abnormal_Serbia: aptitude install eggdrop |
| 18:22.55 | ohok | *but* it is still running php4 ?? |
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| 18:23.09 | Rad | Abnormal_Serbia: install -dev package. |
| 18:23.13 | stew | ohok: did you restart (or force-reload) apache2? |
| 18:23.15 | dvs | ohok: a2rmmod php4 ? |
| 18:23.22 | stew | not necessary |
| 18:23.26 | dvs | ok |
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| 18:23.32 | simonrvn | a2dismod |
| 18:23.36 | ohok | dvs- is that what I need to do? |
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| 18:23.44 | dvs | a2killmod? ;-) |
| 18:23.52 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:23.53 | stew | a2sftumod |
| 18:23.54 | ohok | mods-enabled only has the php5 ones, no php4 in there anymore |
| 18:23.56 | dvs | ohok: I'd listen to stew first |
| 18:24.05 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 18:24.09 | ohok | well I did forec a reload of apache |
| 18:24.10 | nicodarious | So, I have a small problem here with Debian etch. While installing from the Businesscard, everything seems to download well (as far as programs for the installation), but afterward, I get am installation failure. It has happened both in installgui and expertgui installations. Has anyone else had this problem? |
| 18:24.18 | stew | ohok: apahce? or apache2? |
| 18:24.20 | ohok | and no I will not a2killmod |
| 18:24.29 | dvs | stew: apache2 |
| 18:24.32 | facedow1 | would updating my kernel be in software updates? |
| 18:24.34 | ohok | no I typed it right and got the confirmation that apache2 restarted |
| 18:24.37 | facedow1 | i see a software update for ALSA |
| 18:24.44 | ohok | Forcing reload of web server (apache2).... |
| 18:24.52 | PleXuS | jelly-home, anyway thanks for your help.. i wil test the kernel when i am at home :) .. i am now remote connected so :) little bit risky to reboot :) |
| 18:24.56 | dvs | facedow1: did you install ALSA manually? |
| 18:25.00 | facedow1 | no |
| 18:25.09 | Abnormal_Serbia | is there any command in debian like sudo in uuntu |
| 18:25.10 | stew | facedow1: /msg dpkg new alsa |
| 18:25.13 | dvs | facedow1: then the ALSA drivers are in your kernel |
| 18:25.15 | Abnormal_Serbia | *ubuntu |
| 18:25.17 | stew | Abnormal_Serbia: there is sudo |
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| 18:25.35 | Abnormal_Serbia | -bash: sudo: command not found |
| 18:25.41 | Eulex | !installit |
| 18:25.41 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 18:27.09 | ohok | stew- do I need to remove php4 somehow? or is apache just looking at the wrong php.ini file?? |
| 18:27.18 | ohok | (apache2 I mena) |
| 18:27.23 | ohok | mean |
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| 18:28.20 | stew | ohok: 'aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5' would have automatically removed libapache2-mod-php4, which is all that should be necessary, you can check by running "dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php\[45\]" |
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| 18:29.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | kpalmdoc is supposed to be able to read prc files.. but it's not in debian... and it's part of that huge monster called kde... how am I supposed to get it? |
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| 18:30.12 | ohok | stew- using dpgk -l, it looks like they are *both* installed, although only php5 showsup in /mods-enabled |
| 18:30.17 | Abnormal_Serbia | stew |
| 18:30.25 | Abnormal_Serbia | it says -bash: sudo: command not found |
| 18:30.39 | maybeway36 | CutMeOwnThroat: kpalmdoc is part of kpilot |
| 18:30.39 | Abnormal_Serbia | and i can`t sudo aptitude install eggdrop |
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| 18:31.04 | Abnormal_Serbia | don`t know why |
| 18:31.07 | Abnormal_Serbia | :/ |
| 18:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | maybeway36, no, it's not - only the manpage is there |
| 18:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least in etch and the backports |
| 18:31.32 | maybeway36 | are you on etch, lenny, or sid? |
| 18:31.42 | maybeway36 | oh |
| 18:31.45 | simonrvn | @wb jelly-home |
| 18:31.50 | maybeway36 | lenny it's in /usr/bin/ with kpilot installed |
| 18:31.51 | ravenbird | Welcome back jelly-home, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chocolate. |
| 18:31.57 | stew | Abnormal_Serbia: becuase you haven't yet installed sudo. you'd have to install sudo then configure it with visudo |
| 18:32.07 | Abnormal_Serbia | ok |
| 18:32.09 | Abnormal_Serbia | tnx |
| 18:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, so it's in sid |
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| 18:32.39 | my007ms | i can not use my wireless card my system see it as Ethernet |
| 18:33.14 | ohok | So I (re)removed libapache2-mod-php4, and restarted apache, but it says it is still running php4. |
| 18:33.27 | ohok | I must be missing something really obvious or else there is a quirk in my stack |
| 18:33.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | or perhaps testing |
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| 18:35.41 | DirkGently | CutMeOwnThroat: got any sausages with meat in them? |
| 18:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | DirkGently, all my sausages have meat in them - but that sounds like you're after one of the gourmet sausages |
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| 18:37.27 | Abnormal_Serbia | i have installed sudo now but when i do sudo command and i type root pass in it says password wrong |
| 18:37.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | DirkGently, found the cat? |
| 18:37.56 | LaptopBrain | hmm |
| 18:38.05 | jelly-home | Abnormal_Serbia: you need to configure /etc/sudoers, and use your own password |
| 18:38.29 | LaptopBrain | i want to apt-get remove a whole load of files via regexp. im doing apt-get remove ^gnome, and its coming up with a big long list of things "selecting whatever for regexp..." but then at the end it says cant find package ^gnome |
| 18:38.30 | DirkGently | CutMeOwnThroat: that depends on your meaning of the word "found" |
| 18:38.33 | Abnormal_Serbia | i tried, but there is no pass field to fill in |
| 18:38.36 | LaptopBrain | how do i make it uninstall the items the regexp selects? |
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| 18:39.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | DirkGently, like in you grab it and return it to the owner |
| 18:39.22 | jelly-home | Abnormal_Serbia: man sudoers, or just add youruser<TAB>ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 18:39.39 | DirkGently | two great authors - one gone and one going (though hopefully not for a long time yet) |
| 18:40.00 | LaptopBrain | ah, i think i get it, 'sok.... looks like it shows items that arent installed when it lists what it can select |
| 18:40.13 | jelly-home | Younix: I know it, tell Abnormal_Serbia |
| 18:40.38 | DirkGently | CutMeOwnThroat: I can always adjust your reality to make the finding of the cat unnecessary |
| 18:40.48 | jelly-home | Younix: stop doing that. |
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| 18:41.41 | jelly-home | !ops Younix repeatedly doing uncalled for private /msg dpkg tell foo -about |
| 18:41.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: Younix repeatedly doing uncalled for private /msg dpkg tell foo -about |
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| 18:42.56 | moshii | Is there a way of telling if grub or lilo ae in the MBR? I can't remember which it is on this machine, although both are installed :/ |
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| 18:43.54 | simonrvn | weee, split |
| 18:43.54 | DirkGently | really? |
| 18:44.02 | DirkGently | or coronation street has started |
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| 18:44.02 | simonrvn | really what? |
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| 18:44.13 | jelly-home | moshii: you could take a peek into the contents of mbr |
| 18:44.21 | moshii | DirkGently: "it" people watch that? |
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| 18:45.26 | moshii | jelly-home: I wouldn't know what to compare it against... maybe there's a string in there. mm |
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| 18:45.28 | DirkGently | moshii: is that my English humour |
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| 18:45.37 | DirkGently | ? |
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| 18:45.52 | moshii | DirkGently: Really? I'm English, I didn't get it |
| 18:46.01 | DirkGently | like... nobody watches it |
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| 18:46.48 | jelly-home | moshii: grub has "GRUB " near the end of the sector |
| 18:46.57 | moshii | DirkGently: I thought you were talking about the power dipping when everyong goes to make a cup of tea at the break causing the netsplit |
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| 18:47.31 | DirkGently | lol.. no I mean't everyone rushed off to go watch it |
| 18:47.48 | moshii | jelly-home: perfect then :). Didn't want to update lilo and find it mashed grubs mbr or the other way around |
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| 18:49.07 | jelly-home | moshii: interestingly, my grub boot sector also has "LILO" at offset 6 |
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| 18:50.01 | magnusth | is this an OK channel for shell questions? |
| 18:50.02 | facedown | ok. i tried installing the alsa from aptitude and restarted.. |
| 18:50.03 | moshii | jelly-home: some sort of compatibility hack I think |
| 18:50.08 | facedown | headphones aren't getting any sound.. hmm |
| 18:50.20 | jelly-home | magnusth: there is one fr #bash |
| 18:50.37 | jelly-home | no general shell channel that I know of |
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| 18:51.28 | moshii | jelly-home: I'm pretty sure it's grub on this machine now anyhow,.. the lilo config didn't look workable, and doesn't have the raid stuff in there. So I guess grub wins because it's actually been configured. :) |
| 18:51.28 | ohok | How do you disable PHP4 module and enable PHP5? |
| 18:51.40 | ohok | As I said, my mods-enabled only has php5 in it! |
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| 18:51.56 | nkuttler | ohok: you restart apache? |
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| 18:52.08 | moshii | ohok: what webserver? |
| 18:52.11 | ohok | yes just now again |
| 18:52.21 | ohok | etch + apache2 |
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| 18:52.24 | itchi | ohok: You force reloaded the apache webserver? |
| 18:52.32 | ohok | yes I did a force reload |
| 18:52.42 | ohok | it confirmed it was restarting |
| 18:52.47 | ohok | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 18:52.51 | magnusth | jelly-home: thanks, so I'll take that as it being OK to ask for help here then ;) of course not necessarily expecting a response |
| 18:52.52 | itchi | ohok: Clear the iceweasel cache |
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| 18:53.13 | ohok | iceweasal cache? whoa! |
| 18:53.19 | ohok | (I do not know what that is) |
| 18:53.50 | itchi | ohok: When activating/desactivating, iceweasel (firefox) has some little glitches with it |
| 18:54.06 | moshii | itchi: how do you know he/she is using iceweasel? |
| 18:54.07 | ohok | um this has nothing to do with a browser, I am on a console |
| 18:54.08 | itchi | ohok: I guess you use iceweasel. |
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| 18:54.14 | ohok | what moshii said |
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| 18:54.19 | itchi | moshii: Most people does |
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| 18:54.31 | moshii | itchi: most people use IE |
| 18:54.41 | ohok | most people use iceweasal to administer a webserver? |
| 18:54.48 | itchi | moshii: If they run MS, maybe, and i'm not that sure anymore |
| 18:55.09 | ohok | ok well this is a console and it just is stuck on php4 |
| 18:55.11 | itchi | Younix: SHUT up and avoid dpkg me! |
| 18:55.22 | moshii | Younix: cheers, idiot |
| 18:55.23 | itchi | !ops Younix is still spamming! |
| 18:55.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: itchi complains about: Younix is still spamming! |
| 18:55.37 | ohok | so, there is no more php4 in mods-enabled and I restarted Apache 2 or 3 times |
| 18:55.51 | ohok | again, it is apache2 and I used apache2 in each command i issued |
| 18:55.55 | itchi | ohok: How do you check if that module is loaded? |
| 18:55.55 | moshii | ohok: how are you working out it's using php4? |
| 18:56.12 | ohok | moshii- via sudo php -v |
| 18:56.19 | itchi | Younix: !!! you're and evil and don't listen! |
| 18:56.28 | ohok | itchi- I don't know that? |
| 18:56.28 | Wyzard | ohok: That has nothing to do with how your webserver is configured |
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| 18:56.35 | ohok | ah thanks Wyzard |
| 18:56.37 | moshii | ohok: that's the version of php that is symlinked, it might be the one apache is using |
| 18:56.41 | facedown | i just did alsaconf and now my volume control at the top right has an X nearby but i'm able to hear - huh?!?! |
| 18:56.50 | moshii | ohok: *might not |
| 18:56.55 | Wyzard | ohok: You probably have php4-cli installed or something |
| 18:56.56 | ohok | Wyzard- so how do I tell Apache to use php5? |
| 18:57.00 | Wyzard | ohok: You already ahve |
| 18:57.02 | Wyzard | *have |
| 18:57.19 | ohok | so next question, how do I make sure my php -v is up to date ? |
| 18:57.20 | Wyzard | ohok: Well, assuming you've installed libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 18:57.29 | moshii | ohok: you should use a phpinfo script and see what the server says |
| 18:57.34 | ohok | bc it is definitely still saying 4 is the current version |
| 18:57.37 | Wyzard | ohok: install php5-cli, which should replace php4-cli |
| 18:57.44 | ohok | yes I installed libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 18:57.52 | Wyzard | ohok: When you run "php -v", you're running something like /usr/bin/php |
| 18:57.52 | ohok | and used dpkg -l to confirm |
| 18:57.54 | Wyzard | ohok: apache *does not use* /usr/bin/php |
| 18:58.15 | Wyzard | ohok: It uses the version of PHP that's built as an Apache module, not the one in /usr/bin that's built for command-line use |
| 18:58.18 | simonrvn | /usr/bin/php is php*-cli ... |
| 18:58.19 | moshii | ohok: you can have php 4 and 5 installed, which is linked to /usr/bin/php doesn't affect the apache modules |
| 18:58.21 | ohok | can you tell me where apache2 stores/learns which version/path to use? |
| 18:58.29 | ohok | moshii- ah. |
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| 18:58.35 | itchi | ohok: Try ls -l /usr/bin/php and see |
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| 18:58.47 | Wyzard | ohok: so you have version 4 of the command-line one, and version 5 of the apache-module one |
| 18:58.56 | ohok | /usr/bin/php -> /etc/alternatives/php |
| 18:59.00 | simonrvn | ohok: it's called a symlink |
| 18:59.10 | ohok | yes I know symlinks |
| 18:59.22 | ohok | i do not know what 'alternatives' is though |
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| 18:59.37 | itchi | Banana! |
| 18:59.58 | simonrvn | netjoin O_O |
| 19:00.00 | moshii | lucky I'm not using a serial console |
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| 19:00.26 | ohok | ah there it is, alternatives/php4 then symlinks back to usr/bin/php4 |
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| 19:00.49 | ohok | so it looks like itchi gave me the clue her to trace where the symlink was pointing |
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| 19:00.56 | ohok | s/her/here |
| 19:01.02 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 19:01.08 | moshii | learning in motion |
| 19:01.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | DirkGently, true, to hear about that Alzheimer thing was quite disturbing |
| 19:01.19 | HardDisk_WP | what could make a ping succeed, but a telnet to the same host fail w/ no route to host?? |
| 19:01.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | moshii, boot and see what it looks like :) |
| 19:01.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, seems my connection is pretty unstable |
| 19:01.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | more time without contact than with |
| 19:01.37 | facedown | ? anyone know why i'im unable to use my volume control? I have to manually double click on it and set the volume on MASTER.. i can't click on it as I usually did before doing the ALSACONF thing |
| 19:01.48 | ohok | of course now I would like to know why usr/bin has a php and a php4, but *no* php5 ?!!? |
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| 19:02.13 | Wyzard | ohok: because you haven't installed php5-cli, probably |
| 19:02.14 | moshii | ohok: you don't need the standalone php5 for modphp iirc |
| 19:02.21 | simonrvn | deductive reasoning would say that php5-cli wasn't installed... |
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| 19:02.30 | DirkGently | CutMeOwnThroat: let's hope that blocking of stem cell research gets rejected |
| 19:02.43 | Wyzard | ohok: and as moshii said, you don't need it anyway (nor did you need the php4 one) |
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| 19:02.49 | moshii | ohok: unless you're running php scripts outside of apache or via fastcgi you don't need it |
| 19:02.54 | ohok | oic, thanks Wyzard |
| 19:03.10 | simonrvn | fastcgi would use -cgi of course ;) |
| 19:03.12 | ohok | and yes, I do like to be able to run my php scrpts outside of apache on occasion |
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| 19:03.29 | moshii | ohok: install php5-cli then |
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| 19:04.33 | ohok | moshii- that totally did it |
| 19:04.43 | simonrvn | orly |
| 19:04.51 | moshii | CutMeOwnThroat: on the boot loader thing, machine is in Germany and I'm in london.. no rebooting possible |
| 19:04.52 | ohok | thanks to everyone, esp Wyzard, moshii, simonrvn, etc |
| 19:05.00 | ohok | you guys totally rock |
| 19:05.43 | jelly-home | moshii: sounds like crappy hardware with no remote console access |
| 19:06.17 | facedown | anyway to restart volume control? |
| 19:06.26 | facedown | perhaps thats what i need to d |
| 19:06.27 | facedown | -o |
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| 19:06.39 | simonrvn | use alsamixer like a normal person? :P |
| 19:06.54 | facedown | huh? |
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| 19:07.07 | facedown | i did alsaconf - however my headphones dont work still, simonrvn |
| 19:07.19 | facedown | and how do i control the volume easily then? |
| 19:07.25 | facedown | if volume control is x'd out |
| 19:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, the machine could have been told to route things for a certain path ... somewhere else |
| 19:07.30 | facedown | excuse my noobness.. |
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| 19:07.51 | HardDisk_WP | k |
| 19:07.56 | itchi | facedown: Did you save the state of alsamixer? |
| 19:08.04 | facedown | uhh don't think so |
| 19:08.24 | facedown | my headphones never worked, itchi |
| 19:08.29 | facedown | before this alsa thing and after it |
| 19:08.43 | facedown | i installed it from aptitude |
| 19:08.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | HardDisk_WP, although that sounds... unusua. - but must be possible - NATs can do per-port routing, so why not everyone else - hm could be a NAT in front of multiple machines |
| 19:08.52 | itchi | facedown: You hace setup the sound system correctly? |
| 19:09.05 | facedown | It works with no headphone jack |
| 19:09.12 | itchi | facedown: Try /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 19:09.14 | facedown | When I plug in the headphone jack, I can't hear it |
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| 19:09.42 | itchi | facedown: Try /msg dpkg alsa |
| 19:09.57 | facedown | /dev/dsp gives me permission denied as root |
| 19:10.15 | itchi | facedown: Try this ^ first and tell what is failing |
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| 19:11.07 | facedown | try what first? message dpk? |
| 19:11.07 | facedown | i went into alsamixer and there was nothing muted. |
| 19:11.32 | moshii | jelly-home: there is a remote console, using it costs money I think though |
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| 19:12.43 | vedant | hi |
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| 19:12.58 | vedant | i have a debian testing running on an old PC |
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| 19:13.01 | itchi | facedown: Did you follow each step? |
| 19:13.24 | facedown | adding my user to audio group onw.. dont se how it'll mak ea diff but ok |
| 19:13.48 | moshii | vedant: format your question into a single message so that people can follow it |
| 19:14.04 | vedant | moshii: i'm still trying to think of a good way to put the question :P |
| 19:14.33 | moshii | can someone kick that younix twat please. |
| 19:14.43 | itchi | facedown: Then the rest, 3->8 |
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| 19:14.52 | moshii | oh, ran away |
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| 19:15.43 | vedant | i wanted to use the packages that installation has to install debian testing into a USB flash disk |
| 19:16.09 | vedant | as i don't have enough bandwidth to download the testing dvds before a couple of days |
| 19:16.52 | moshii | vedant: download one of the smaller images, there are 30mb and 150mb cd images I think |
| 19:17.12 | Wyzard | You don't need the full DVDs |
| 19:17.30 | Wyzard | but afaik you can't turn an existing installation back into a bunch of .debs |
| 19:17.38 | itchi | !ops Here's the result of Younix abuse and insults http://pastebin.ca/963690 |
| 19:17.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: itchi complains about: Here's the result of Younix abuse and insults http://pastebin.ca/963690 |
| 19:17.52 | alfadir | hi, dpkg-reconfigure does not ask for driver anymore. xorg uses /usr/share/xserver-xorg/pci/* is there a debian way to select nvidia instead of nv except taking care of xorg.conf on your own ? before you could select driver in debconf. |
| 19:18.01 | Wyzard | The "dpkg-repack" program can reconstruct individual .debs from installed files on a system, but it's not practical to do that for an entire installation worth of packages |
| 19:18.05 | vedant | the debs are already in the old computer |
| 19:18.21 | vedant | as i dist-upgraded stable to testing |
| 19:18.24 | nkuttler | alfadir: what was the exact command you used? |
| 19:18.33 | itchi | Feel free to add your custom insults got of Younix :-p |
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| 19:19.11 | Wyzard | vedant: You mean you have the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives on the existing installation? |
| 19:19.17 | vedant | yep |
| 19:19.26 | moshii | vedant: you could take the /var/cache/apt/archives directory and drop it onto another installed machine |
| 19:19.40 | Wyzard | I think he wants to use them from the installer though |
| 19:19.51 | jelly-home | itchi: dpkg will have to be updated to withstand abuse from idiots, I'm afraid |
| 19:19.56 | moshii | vedant: or maybe you could feed them to jidgo and have it try to use them |
| 19:20.09 | nkuttler | oh great, perl postinst scripts... |
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| 19:20.12 | itchi | jelly-home: Yeah :-s |
| 19:20.27 | moshii | vedant: the packages are have are likely to be newer than the cd images though.. |
| 19:20.35 | alfadir | nkuttler: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg have tried different priorities.. running sid and it has automatic recognision via pci ids |
| 19:20.43 | vedant | the cd images were just a couple of weeks old |
| 19:20.49 | vedant | s/were/are |
| 19:20.52 | Wyzard | moshii: The packages would have to be identical to the ones on the CD |
| 19:21.08 | Wyzard | not newer, not older |
| 19:21.22 | nkuttler | alfadir: not sure about nvidia drivers etc, maybe you did dpkg-reconfigure debconf and changed the priorities? |
| 19:21.32 | moshii | Wyzard: yeah, just a thought, if he really really wants to reuse those files |
| 19:21.36 | nkuttler | ah ..oO |
| 19:21.47 | vedant | by the way, how difficult is it to boot debian from a USB disk? |
| 19:22.00 | moshii | vedant: depends on the bios of you machine |
| 19:22.14 | alfadir | nkuttler: no, i think debconf has been adapted to use automatic recognision.. and you can not set driver in debconf. but i might be wrong.. |
| 19:22.18 | vedant | it books USB disks |
| 19:22.21 | vedant | boots* |
| 19:22.21 | moshii | vedant: s/you/your/ |
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| 19:22.28 | nkuttler | alfadir: just edit the config |
| 19:22.36 | Wyzard | alfadir: I'm pretty sure that's not true |
| 19:22.38 | alfadir | nkuttler: one can always do it by hand.. just wanted to do it the debian way.. |
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| 19:22.48 | moshii | vedant: The method used for booting usb disks can be wildly different between bioses |
| 19:22.55 | alfadir | Wyzard: ok which priority does give you the question ? |
| 19:23.17 | Wyzard | dunno, but setting it to "low" ought to work |
| 19:23.26 | alfadir | my device is configured : Section "Device" \n Identifier "Configured Video Device" \n EndSection |
| 19:23.34 | elik | I'm having a few weird name encoding problems, and I'm trying to create a script to get out of it. But the command line won't allow me to rename the files in problem, saying the file don't exist. I can modify it from within Nautilus though... |
| 19:23.38 | Bushmills | alfadir, wouldn't make a lot of sense - there are machines with multiple video controllers. |
| 19:24.01 | alfadir | Bushmills: well debconf was never for people with strange setups.. |
| 19:24.07 | vedant | moshii: I have booted finnix from a usb disk on it using the USB HDD method |
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| 19:24.27 | vedant | the bios sees the flash disk as a USB Hard Disk |
| 19:24.32 | Bushmills | alfadir: not strange at all. on-board controller, and a plugged in card, for example |
| 19:24.33 | nkuttler | alfadir: i'd try dpkg-reconfigure -plow, but you said you already did that? |
| 19:24.34 | alfadir | Bushmills: it also checks the pciid so the correct driver is picked. nv |
| 19:24.50 | alfadir | nkuttler: yes |
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| 19:25.25 | moshii | vedant: maybe you can just install a normal mbr then |
| 19:25.55 | alfadir | i also find my pci id in the nv.ids file.. well well will check with the xorg people. they will probably bark on me for using the nvidia driver :) |
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| 19:27.40 | k0001 | hello! i'd like to know what system wide bash script is loaded upon login? neither /etc/bash.bashrc nor /etc/profile are working for me (unless explicitly sourced, but tha is not what i want) |
| 19:28.59 | elik | I'm having a few weird name encoding problems, and I'm trying to create a script to get out of it. But the command line won't allow me to rename the files in problem, saying the file don't exist. I can modify it from within Nautilus though... |
| 19:30.06 | Bushmills | k0001: /etc/profile is executed for login shells. like, bash -l, or the first bash started after login. |
| 19:30.38 | vedant | moshii: syslinux should do |
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| 19:31.24 | k0001 | Bushmills, hmm nevermind, my fault, ~/.bash_rc was just overwriting my work on /etc/profile, thanks |
| 19:31.56 | moshii | vedant: you'll need a fat partition then.. |
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| 19:33.22 | lynucs | what might be the reason for that? http://rafb.net/p/LS7dce68.html i'm executing cdrecord -v -dummy speed=8 driveropts=burnfree dev=1,0,0 iso.iso |
| 19:33.25 | lynucs | on debian etch |
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| 19:33.44 | Wyzard | lynucs: "cannot open new session" probably means the disc is already burned |
| 19:33.44 | enouf | k0001: no ~/.bashrc ? |
| 19:33.49 | hetauma_ | is there any site like ubuntuguide.com for debian? |
| 19:33.59 | lynucs | Wyzard: it's a new unused disc |
| 19:34.21 | k0001 | enouf, just solved it =) thanks =) .bashrc was overwriting some stuff |
| 19:34.34 | Wyzard | lynucs: Well, it looked like it asked the drive to create a new track ("reserve") and the drive said it can't do that |
| 19:34.43 | jelly-home | lynucs: stupid idea: can you run it as root? |
| 19:34.44 | Wyzard | lynucs: Try using -dao (which is preferable anyway, btw) |
| 19:34.55 | lynucs | jelly-home: tells me the same |
| 19:35.33 | vedant | moshii: any way where i don't have to use fat at all? |
| 19:36.09 | Wyzard | lynucs: google turns up a few pages with some info, one of which suggests that burning at a slower speed may help |
| 19:36.13 | Bushmills | moshi, vedant, in the syslinux package is also extlinux, for ext2/3 booting |
| 19:36.23 | moshii | vedant: As I said, depends on bios. The usb booting I've seen depnds on USB Zip drive emulation.. |
| 19:36.35 | lynucs | Wyzard: speed 2 ends up like before |
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| 19:36.53 | Bushmills | "EXTLINUX is a new syslinux derivative, which boots from a Linux ext2/ext3 filesystem." |
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| 19:36.56 | lynucs | abnd with dao too :( |
| 19:36.59 | enouf | lynucs: some options like -dummy mode won't work with certain options |
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| 19:37.41 | lynucs | enouf: just left only -v and -dummy.. the same |
| 19:37.43 | _back_ | I may be opening a can of worms here, but I wanted to ask about php5 on sarge... :-O |
| 19:37.45 | moshii | Bushmills: That depends on what the bios will take, the ones I've seen in PC's need a fat partion, specific cluster sizes and other stuff |
| 19:37.46 | enouf | lynucs: pastebin what wodim -atip -prcap dev=/devname |
| 19:37.51 | enouf | erm |
| 19:37.55 | elik | If nautilus allows me to rename files with unrecognised characters, why wouldn't bash let me do it? |
| 19:38.00 | enouf | dev=/dev/name |
| 19:38.26 | enouf | lynucs: yeah, but crappy dvdram drives have all sorts of weirdo quirks |
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| 19:38.51 | Bushmills | moshii: it is a bootstrap loader. if bios loads syslinux, it also loads extlinux. and passed control to it. |
| 19:39.06 | _back_ | basically, is php5 on sarge much more trouble than it's worth, considering that upgrading my production server to etch (which *will* happen of course) would be a royal pain right now |
| 19:39.22 | zinx | _back_: upgrade to etch |
| 19:39.23 | enouf | lynucs: what media is that? dvd-r ? |
| 19:39.24 | moshii | Bushmills: and those have drivers to drive the usb hardware and the flash drive without the bios doing anything? |
| 19:39.25 | Wyzard | _back_: php5 on sarge isn't supported by Debian |
| 19:39.30 | lynucs | http://rafb.net/p/8Te1Fj60.html |
| 19:39.30 | _back_ | zinx- i know i know i know |
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| 19:39.37 | lynucs | enouf: dvd+r |
| 19:39.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | pft, liar! damn him |
| 19:39.52 | _back_ | Wyzard- yes I know, was just looking for an immediate solution |
| 19:40.03 | Wyzard | _back_: backports.org might have packages |
| 19:40.07 | Wyzard | _back_: if not, you're on your own |
| 19:40.09 | _back_ | upgrading my production server to etch is not something I am going to do on a Sunday afternoon |
| 19:40.23 | Wyzard | _back_: (and backports.org packages are unofficial and unsupported too) |
| 19:40.30 | Tramp | elik: it will let you. Try to replace the character with a "?" - try with with "ls foo?bar", then mv or cp or rm or whatever |
| 19:40.34 | enouf | moshii: if bios boots usb, extlinux can be used, also memdisk |
| 19:40.38 | _back_ | backports does have it, but it is dicey for sure |
| 19:40.46 | zinx | _back_: it's something you should have already done during normal work hours months ago :/ |
| 19:40.56 | Bushmills | moshii: if bios loaded syslinux or extlinux from usb disk, it has usb support |
| 19:41.01 | Wyzard | _back_: Well, you're not likely to find anything less-dicey than that |
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| 19:41.07 | moshii | enouf: depnds on how the bios boots the disk ;) |
| 19:41.14 | _back_ | zinx- it's something my *predecessor* should have done months ago-- I just started here |
| 19:41.17 | _back_ | :-P |
| 19:41.19 | Wyzard | _back_: There's no official php5 for sarge, and backports.org packages, while unofficial, are at least reputable |
| 19:41.33 | moshii | enouf: intel boards are differnt to cheap asian board for example |
| 19:41.45 | nkuttler | hm, how do i add to a specific bug report again? bugnumber@b.d.o? |
| 19:41.47 | _back_ | so really I just thought I'd ask, but I feel the smart move is to do it right, up to Etch this week |
| 19:42.05 | enouf | lynucs: doesn't mention anything about being able to do +r .. try dvd+rw-mediainfo - might need to format that sucker, not sure .. hold on |
| 19:42.21 | Wyzard | "formatting" is only needed for UDF |
| 19:42.26 | Wyzard | not for just burning an ordinary data track |
| 19:42.47 | Wyzard | well, more accurately, formatting is needed for packet writing, which is typically used with UDF |
| 19:43.07 | r3k13m | Hello, I have a strange problem, if I use kernel 2.6.18 everything works ok but audio, but if I use the laters kernels I have random freezes, someone can help me? |
| 19:43.16 | elik | Tramp, well, it was a good idea, and I gave it a try, but it won't work |
| 19:43.16 | enouf | lynucs: well, my NEC burns +r, and -prcap doesn't show +r either |
| 19:43.21 | Wyzard | lynucs: I'm not sure if wodim can burn DVDs though... there are other tools for that |
| 19:43.31 | Bushmills | r3k13m: how frequenly? |
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| 19:43.59 | lynucs | Wyzard: well, growisofs doesnt bring any errors, but makes any dvd unusable :) |
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| 19:44.11 | lynucs | Wyzard: but maybe it's just a weird dvd from intenso |
| 19:44.13 | Wyzard | lynucs: growisofs works fine for me |
| 19:44.14 | PleXuS | anyone got experience with building vserver-xen kernel? is it just adding some configure lines to the .config file? |
| 19:44.17 | enouf | moshii: all consumer stuff is cap, nothing is standard; so saying "it depends" can apply to most everything;-) |
| 19:44.25 | enouf | s/cap/crap |
| 19:44.30 | Wyzard | lynucs: -Z /dev/dvd=foo.iso, right? |
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| 19:44.37 | lynucs | Wyzard: noramlly it works fine for me too.. but not on that pc running debian etch |
| 19:44.50 | lynucs | Wyzard: + -dvd-compat |
| 19:44.51 | enouf | Wyzard: afaik, wodim can burn dvds |
| 19:44.58 | elik | Tramp, if I ls, the name of the file is 04 Poussi?re d'ange.wma, then, if I autocomplete, it completes with 04\ Poussi�re\ d\'ange.wma, and if I try to do a move or whatever, it tells mmv: cannot move `04 Poussi\212re d\'ange.wma' to `blah.wma': Read-only file systeme |
| 19:45.08 | enouf | it can do ISO fs. not UDF or something |
| 19:45.25 | r3k13m | Bushmills: so frequenly, like every 30 minutes |
| 19:45.26 | enouf | lynucs: but yeah, for dvds, i use growisofs |
| 19:45.31 | enouf | i told you that 3 days ago |
| 19:45.36 | moshii | enouf: yeah,.. but I'm right in thinking that those bootloaders don't include a usb stack and drivers,... thus depend on the bios to do everything until the kernel is running... so there isn't a one fits all solution |
| 19:45.46 | lynucs | when i burn with growisofs it runs through, but then, can't mount its own disk |
| 19:45.54 | elik | Tramp, wait a second, read-only fs.... but I am root and nautilus will rename it... |
| 19:45.57 | Tramp | elik: Read-only file system <-- maybe that's part of the problem? |
| 19:46.10 | elik | Tramp, just saw that |
| 19:46.12 | enouf | lynucs: can't mount? |
| 19:46.18 | Wyzard | elik: "read-only file system" isn't a permissions thing, that means the filesystem is actually mounted read-only |
| 19:46.20 | enouf | lynucs: who's making these ISOs anyway? |
| 19:46.31 | lynucs | enouf: i made this iso |
| 19:46.36 | elik | Wyzard, yeah, like ro in fstab... |
| 19:46.40 | Wyzard | yep |
| 19:46.44 | Bushmills | r3k13m: anything in particular you notice when the system hangs? like, mouse pointer moving a bit, or system pausing shortly, runs for short moment again, and hangs then? |
| 19:46.47 | enouf | well, you're making it wrong ;-) |
| 19:46.48 | elik | Wyzard, but still, nautilus can mess around with file names |
| 19:46.51 | lynucs | enouf: and i can mount that iso via loop |
| 19:46.58 | enouf | omg |
| 19:47.03 | lynucs | but nit when it's burned |
| 19:47.05 | Wyzard | elik: That can happen when the filesystem driver finds errors on the filesystem |
| 19:48.03 | elik | Wyzard, but what kind of black magic nautilus use to change the name of the file... if a gui can do it, a command line program should be able to do it too... |
| 19:48.15 | enouf | lynucs: well, there;'s about 50K reasons i can think of |
| 19:48.17 | Wyzard | elik: dunno about that |
| 19:48.31 | enouf | !8ball should i start guessing? |
| 19:48.31 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 19:48.34 | lynucs | enouf: and the most obvious? |
| 19:48.42 | r3k13m | Bushmills: if I am listen anything, start to make a lot of noise, keyboard and mouse totally dead, even alt+printscreen+b doesnt work |
| 19:48.52 | enouf | there isn't one 'most obvious' |
| 19:49.05 | Tramp | elik: are you sure nautilus did it? are you verifying in the shell or just in the GUI? |
| 19:49.10 | Wyzard | lynucs: cmp foo.iso /dev/dvd |
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| 19:49.12 | lynucs | enouf: hehe, okay.. |
| 19:49.22 | moshii | r3k13m: that suggested the driver for your sound chipset ain't very good |
| 19:49.24 | Wyzard | lynucs: See if what got burned is different from what's in the iso file |
| 19:49.29 | enouf | lynucs: first off, what's the mount error exactly - and exact commands used? |
| 19:49.34 | lynucs | Wyzard: okay, just a sec |
| 19:49.39 | Thanatermesis | is there a unsync between repositories ? |
| 19:49.41 | enouf | after that - what command rolled the ISO ? |
| 19:49.53 | moshii | r3k13m: try using module-assistant to build alsa from source, it may have newer/working ones |
| 19:49.56 | Thanatermesis | in ftp.fr.debian.org there's new packages that aren't in ftp.us.debian.org |
| 19:50.14 | r3k13m | m-a a-i alsa right? |
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| 19:50.52 | Bushmills | r3k13m: those symptoms i don't know. what chipset / north bridge is in your system? |
| 19:50.56 | moshii | r3k13m: yeah, you should google up your chipset and check if anyone else is having troubles first though |
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| 19:52.14 | elik | Tramp, well, it did change it earlier, and I'm sure it did work (not just gui), cause I umounted it and plugged it on my windows computer and the name was changed |
| 19:52.24 | r3k13m | yes, I saw many people having problems, but the solve it putting rtc on blacklist, I did it, and I have less freezes but still have, about sound I didnt found any problem |
| 19:52.26 | lynucs | enouf: mountign with sudo mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/hdc /media/cdrom |
| 19:52.38 | lynucs | enouf: error: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc |
| 19:52.56 | enouf | lynucs: isoinfo -d dev=/dev/hdc |
| 19:53.00 | lynucs | leaving -t and -o brings teh same |
| 19:53.09 | enouf | file -s /dev/hdc |
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| 19:53.52 | r3k13m | Bushmills: I have a HDA Nvidia |
| 19:53.53 | Tramp | elik: well - try again now. I doubt it's possible on a read-only FS. Since you remounted, the situation has obviously changed, and before you followed my advice with the "?" you failed on the shell for other reasons. |
| 19:53.59 | lynucs | enouf: http://rafb.net/p/Eilzpt16.html |
| 19:54.26 | elik | Tramp, well, turns out that read only thing was the gnome auto mount messing with me |
| 19:54.46 | elik | Tramp, and I changed the name with regexp and it does work |
| 19:55.03 | Tramp | elik: Fine. Except its not a regexp but a wildcard |
| 19:55.05 | elik | Tramp, so as you say, the situation changed somewhere in between |
| 19:55.36 | elik | Tramp, hum, yeah, since it was a song name, I just used 04* and it worked fine |
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| 19:55.46 | elik | Tramp, just gotta script it now :) |
| 19:55.52 | elik | Tramp, thx for your help |
| 19:55.57 | lynucs | enouf: file -s: /dev/hdc: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data ' VISOCKIY ' |
| 19:55.57 | Tramp | np. |
| 19:56.06 | elik | Tramp++ |
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| 19:56.27 | lynucs | cmp is still running |
| 19:56.34 | enouf | Application id: GENISOIMAGE ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM CREATOR (C) 1993 E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997-2006 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING (C) 2006-2007 CDRKIT TEAM |
| 19:56.45 | enouf | you;re rolling with some old crap |
| 19:56.49 | Bushmills | r3k13m: one system with GForce chipset was hanging too sometimes with recent kernels. but only about once per week. mouse was still movable, but that was all it it. keyboard dead, couldn't ssh to it. recompiling kernel with APIC disabled seemed to have helped on that machine. |
| 19:56.51 | enouf | that's mine above |
| 19:57.17 | lynucs | enouf: i used k9copy for creating the iso.. from debian etch repo |
| 19:57.37 | enouf | huh? |
| 19:57.46 | Wyzard | enouf: That's not necessarily old; it's just not Debian's renamed version of mkisofs |
| 19:57.51 | enouf | 1st off , it's not a bootable one |
| 19:58.01 | r3k13m | Bushmills: You think is not the audio? Actually I give to grub noapic irqpoll |
| 19:58.01 | enouf | Wyzard: see my tag line |
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| 19:58.06 | enouf | Wyzard: vs his paste |
| 19:58.07 | moshii | Bushmills: n.b. you can disable the apic by passing options to the kernel, no need to rebuild |
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| 19:59.00 | Wyzard | enouf: That shouldn't prevent the filesystem from being mountable though |
| 19:59.03 | enouf | lynucs: now, let's see your rolling ISO command |
| 19:59.11 | enouf | Wyzard: heh |
| 19:59.15 | Bushmills | moshii: yes. but if stock kernel doesn't work reliably, going through the kernel config can give an idea what might cause it. |
| 19:59.31 | lynucs | enouf: what's a rolling iso command? for creatign it? |
| 19:59.50 | AEX | hi where i can create a software raid1 in debian? |
| 19:59.59 | Bushmills | moshii: you disable on command line when you know that that could help. |
| 20:00.20 | enouf | Wyzard: who the heck knows what k9copy is doing to it .. or which versions of <insert-util-name-like-mkisofs-here> it's using |
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| 20:00.26 | lynucs | enouf: k9copy created the iso.. i'm not sure what k9copy is using for that |
| 20:00.27 | enouf | lynucs: yeah |
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| 20:00.52 | enouf | lynucs: you're rerolling debian ISOs ? |
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| 20:00.56 | Wyzard | enouf: isoinfo -d -i debian-40r3-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 20:00.57 | lynucs | enouf: should i try create teh iso with dd? |
| 20:01.01 | Wyzard | enouf: Application id: MKISOFS ISO 9660/HFS FILESYSTEM BUILDER & CDRECORD CD-R/DVD CREATOR (C) 1993 E.YOUNGDALE (C) 1997 J.PEARSON/J.SCHILLING |
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| 20:01.14 | enouf | Wyzard: tell the team to update ;-) |
| 20:01.35 | enouf | Wyzard: i use genisoimage to roll my own and the tag line is as i've shown |
| 20:01.35 | r3k13m | Bushmills: so you think disabling apic on kernel configuration may help? |
| 20:01.39 | Wyzard | lynucs: That'd probably be simpler; you don't really need something like k9copy here |
| 20:02.07 | lynucs | Wyzard: okay i'll try :) and cmp is still running |
| 20:02.15 | Wyzard | lynucs: You're copying an existing DVD to an .iso file, right? |
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| 20:02.31 | Wyzard | lynucs: and then trying to burn it to another DVD? |
| 20:02.36 | Bushmills | r3k13m: i don't know. how your system hang manifests is different. and as you pass noapic already anyway, chances are slim |
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| 20:03.12 | lynucs | Wyzard: yes |
| 20:03.15 | enouf | Wyzard: he's taking debian ISOs , modifying them, rerolling them, and burning them, AFAICT |
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| 20:03.29 | lynucs | enouf: no, it's not a debian cd |
| 20:03.30 | Wyzard | ah |
| 20:03.37 | enouf | lynucs: i never said CD |
| 20:03.47 | enouf | <lynucs> enouf: i used k9copy for creating the iso.. from debian etch repo |
| 20:03.56 | enouf | wtf does that mean then? |
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| 20:04.11 | Wyzard | oh, etch version of k9copy maybe |
| 20:04.13 | lynucs | i ment the k9copy was from debian repo.. sorry for bad formed sentence |
| 20:04.19 | enouf | oh man |
| 20:04.25 | enouf | !beer me |
| 20:04.25 | dpkg | pulls out an excellent Jever for enouf |
| 20:04.31 | r3k13m | Bushmills: but it is really strange that on 2.6.18 I dont suffer any freeze, only on the newers, if can get audio work on 18 i dont need the new ones |
| 20:04.50 | enouf | well, now i'm completely lost .. so good luck ;-) |
| 20:04.57 | lynucs | jever? it's a nice german beer for real men :) |
| 20:05.16 | lynucs | *g* |
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| 20:06.05 | lynucs | enouf: thx for good luck |
| 20:06.08 | lynucs | cmp ran through |
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| 20:06.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf is enouf, eh? |
| 20:06.48 | lynucs | Wyzard: the only output is: cmp EOF /path/iso.iso |
| 20:07.11 | Wyzard | lynucs: hmm, then it looks like your iso burned correctly |
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| 20:07.21 | lynucs | hrmpf. bad iso? |
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| 20:07.34 | Wyzard | lynucs: (I'd expect the data track to "end" at the same point as the original .iso, but for some reason it doesn't on DVDs...) |
| 20:08.01 | Wyzard | lynucs: That was comparing against the DVD you burned, right? Not the original one? |
| 20:08.16 | lynucs | Wyzard: that is burned |
| 20:08.43 | lynucs | and the original does work |
| 20:09.08 | enouf | lynucs: you have a DVD-ROM + DVD Burner? |
| 20:09.45 | lynucs | enouf: it can burn all formats.. or better said -, +, and ram |
| 20:10.01 | enouf | i know UDF had some NASTY issues with writing a file larger than 4GB |
| 20:10.22 | enouf | lynucs: that wasn't my question :-( .. i meant 2 drives |
| 20:11.02 | lynucs | enouf: yes :) |
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| 20:11.18 | enouf | is the DVD you're making the ISO from a Commercially pressed DVD? |
| 20:11.50 | lynucs | enouf: i'm not sure.. it's a russian production |
| 20:11.53 | Wyzard | enouf: hmm, I thought iso9660 has a file-size limit (2GB or 4GB, not sure which) and UDF didn't |
| 20:11.57 | lynucs | enouf: there you can't be sure |
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| 20:12.18 | enouf | lynucs: then i would put the good orig DVD in ROM/RW drive and use growisofs -Z -dvd-compat /dev/ROM=/dev/RW |
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| 20:13.07 | enouf | so; say /dev/hdc=/dev/sdd or whatever |
| 20:13.47 | lynucs | enouf: i unserstnd |
| 20:13.52 | lynucs | undestand* |
| 20:13.54 | lynucs | darn |
| 20:14.09 | lynucs | sitting on my fingers :) |
| 20:14.12 | enouf | Wyzard: yeah, ISO9660 has it's limits, and UDF does too, but there was a nasty bug IIRC concerning UDF and "write" .. read was never an issue |
| 20:14.20 | Wyzard | ah |
| 20:14.26 | Wyzard | dunno then; I haven't actually used UDF much |
| 20:14.33 | enouf | me neither |
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| 20:15.08 | lynucs | i'll try the same iso in my notebook now.. |
| 20:15.11 | lynucs | just interesrting |
| 20:15.17 | lynucs | but there's ubuntu on it |
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| 20:15.50 | enouf | well, i know above worked for someone duplicating CDs on the fly - but had one CDROM drive + one DVD-RW drive |
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| 20:30.03 | jelly-home | !test |
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| 20:34.06 | Ejdes|Lap | hi everyone:) |
| 20:34.25 | Ejdes|Lap | how do i fix broken dependencies in debian-4.0? |
| 20:34.52 | Ejdes|Lap | i'm looking for a program that can scan my comp for it.... like revdep-rebuild in gentoo.. |
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| 20:35.41 | jelly-home | Ejdes|Lap: there should be no unknown broken dependencies in stable debian, what's your real issue? |
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| 20:41.54 | distatica | I can't seem to find anything in apache2.conf |
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| 20:45.59 | Tapout | hey guys, on backports I see the maintainer posted postgresql 8.3.1 .. when I do an aptitude update/aptitude upgrade/aptitude dist-upgrade .. it doesn't see the 8.3.1, anyone know why? maybe backports you gotta force it somehow |
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| 20:47.32 | spockboy | distatica: /etc/apache2/ports.conf |
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| 20:48.12 | enouf | i wonder; is this sort | uniq really doing anything here O_O $ for i in $(dpkg -l | grep ^.i | awk '{ print$2 }' ); do apt-cache depends $i | sort | uniq ; done |
| 20:48.26 | r3k13m | Bushmills: it's really strange I have seen when i was booting a problem with alsa in 2.6.24, but in /var/log/messages I cannot see any problem with alsa |
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| 20:48.56 | distatica | spockboy: Listen 127.0.0.1:80? |
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| 20:49.22 | beardy | enouf: If something depends on the same thing, yes? |
| 20:49.37 | beardy | enouf: Otherwise it will be duplicate. |
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| 20:49.51 | distatica | spockboy: that appears to be working, not sure if it's bound to localhost though |
| 20:49.59 | distatica | I guess I will have to check from another machine, thank you. |
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| 20:50.28 | enouf | beardy: that's my guess too, but i'm thinking the format/output somehow breaks that, such as if one ran "diff" on two similar files with only whitespace/tabs being different |
| 20:50.41 | Ejdes|Lap | jelly-home, i have downloaded and installed a program called firstclass, and it had some dep issues, but i figured it out... |
| 20:50.41 | laurly | i just reinstalled debian. which ftp server should i install theres a bunch |
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| 20:51.11 | itchi | laurly: Should or whould? |
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| 20:51.32 | laurly | ok which is the easest to set up? |
| 20:51.48 | laurly | think ftpd is the only one i recognise. |
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| 20:52.15 | itchi | laurly: Everythings is easy to setup, once you know how. Need you really one? Otherwise is may suggest vsftpd |
| 20:52.17 | Tapout | vsftpd is awesome |
| 20:52.58 | laurly | its a home server. i tend to ftp stuff back and fort. well i did on the old one mostly becouse i was to lazy to figure out why samba didnt work |
| 20:53.05 | laurly | forth |
| 20:53.06 | Tapout | this explains it : |
| 20:53.07 | Tapout | 8.3.1-1~bpo40+1 [backports]: hppa i386 powerpc sparc |
| 20:53.07 | Tapout | 8.3.0-1~bpo40+1 [backports]: alpha amd64 ia64 |
| 20:53.24 | Tapout | i'm on amd64 .. buddy hasn't released amd64 yet |
| 20:53.35 | itchi | laurly: Well, then there are better tools, somethings that easy may be sshfs |
| 20:53.38 | spockboy | distatica: that is the correct line, it should be bound to localhost. do a sudo netstat -lnp |grep apache2 |
| 20:53.59 | itchi | laurly: Are all systems *nix bassed? |
| 20:54.20 | laurly | nopes home pc's run xp. i just do all my work off the server. |
| 20:54.32 | itchi | laurly: You can just mount you fs with ssh (see sshfs) and on windows boxes use winscp |
| 20:55.03 | itchi | laurly: Well, setup samba correctly or use winscp :-p |
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| 20:55.34 | laurly | hmm you know you might be right if im doing this all from scratch anyway. fixing samba makes sence. |
| 20:55.43 | distatica | spockboy: yep, that command confirms it. |
| 20:56.00 | laurly | think im going to learn alot installing all this stuff. |
| 20:56.00 | itchi | laurly: Anyway, take a look to winscp too ;-) |
| 20:56.06 | spockboy | distatica: cool :-) |
| 20:56.43 | itchi | laurly: winscp is just almost like a ftp client, but secured and so you don't need to install a ftp server at all |
| 20:56.53 | S4nD3r | I have a problem. I get to compile cpp sources using :make, but is impossible to run the program... :!./%< :!.//media/disk/Mestrado/Disciplinas/ed/progs/tad/tree |
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| 20:57.15 | S4nD3r | /bin/bash: .//media/disk/Mestrado/Disciplinas/ed/progs/tad/tree: No such file or directory |
| 20:58.03 | itchi | S4nD3r: Well, check your path! |
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| 20:58.27 | S4nD3r | this path is where file is !! |
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| 20:58.40 | laurly | hm still think i will need ftp server as i dont work from home always and use dreamweaver though ftp to the server. |
| 20:58.41 | S4nD3r | I opened file there! |
| 20:58.44 | itchi | S4nD3r: You don't see a little error here aboce? |
| 20:58.48 | itchi | aboce* |
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| 20:58.51 | itchi | darn |
| 20:58.57 | Bushmills | ".//...." ? |
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| 21:00.57 | S4nD3r | I see |
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| 21:01.03 | S4nD3r | but dont know how to solve it |
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| 21:01.20 | Bushmills | a backspace at the right place can do wonders |
| 21:01.25 | enouf | beardy: fwiw; $ for i in $(dpkg -l | grep ^.i | awk '{ print$2 }' ); do apt-cache depends $i | sort | uniq >> /tmp/dpkg2 ; done |
| 21:01.26 | enouf | $ grep "Depends: libc6" /tmp/dpkg2 | wc -l |
| 21:01.27 | enouf | 892 |
| 21:01.36 | enouf | O_o |
| 21:01.56 | enouf | oh my goodness, i left off the -d ? |
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| 21:02.31 | enouf | er -u |
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| 21:02.59 | facedown | checking for OPENSSL... configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old. Make sure itis in your PATH or set the PKG_CONFIG environment variable to the full path to pkg-config |
| 21:03.02 | r3k13m | Bushmills: Now I think the problem is the audio, because when i run any audio aplication de freeze it's almost instantly, i have installed alsa by m-a but the problem persist |
| 21:03.08 | itchi | laurly: Have you access on ssh from work? |
| 21:03.09 | facedown | Anyone know what's up with my error? |
| 21:03.17 | laurly | yup |
| 21:03.21 | facedown | I thouht I had pkg-config |
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| 21:03.37 | laurly | well i will once i add that to shorewall. think everthing is blocked right now |
| 21:03.38 | facedown | or I mean .. I've ./configure 'd other .tar.gz's fine but this one is not going so smooth |
| 21:03.55 | itchi | laurly: Well, use winscp, it's like a ftp client. You just needs to run a ssh server on your server. Somethings you already run probably |
| 21:03.56 | vvd | when will ipv6 be standard? |
| 21:03.58 | Bushmills | r3k13m: what are you playing audio with? |
| 21:04.18 | laurly | yeah ssh is installed. |
| 21:04.30 | r3k13m | Bushmills: skype |
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| 21:04.42 | lynucs | is creating an iso with dd if=device of=file.iso a good way to do this? |
| 21:04.43 | laurly | im impressed how quiet it is now that i dumped that bad hard disk. installed mysql and apache didnt even here it |
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| 21:05.06 | mrec | lynucs: sure |
| 21:05.16 | itchi | facedown: Just set the PKG_CONFIG env variable |
| 21:05.31 | facedown | .. Where |
| 21:06.03 | lynucs | or better use any emthod like mkisofs? |
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| 21:07.49 | enouf | welp the uniq with -u made no difference (but the resultant file size dropped 2K off a ~ 250K filesize) |
| 21:07.55 | r3k13m | Bushmills: but also rhythmbox play with a lot of noise, it's really strange |
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| 21:09.32 | w3rd_ | it appears that i have finally found a linux distro that allows installation and config of raid during install, ubuntu 6.06, my netra t100 would not allow for raid install during the installation routine of debian.. i wish i could use debian, but really i am sort of... just an fyi |
| 21:09.33 | enouf | lynucs: copy on the fly == no bueno? |
| 21:10.03 | itchi | facedown: Search for a "pc" file in source you are building, then add the path+file to the PKG_CONFIG variable |
| 21:10.51 | itchi | facedown: What are you doing in fact? |
| 21:11.00 | facedown | I'm installing libtorrent |
| 21:11.01 | enouf | w3rd_: was that the sparc arch? |
| 21:11.07 | quentusrex | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.07 | facedown | then rtorrent |
| 21:11.13 | w3rd_ | enouf: yes |
| 21:11.14 | peterS | lynucs: I prefer cp /dev/cdrom file.iso actually |
| 21:11.20 | facedown | the latest versions of both |
| 21:11.42 | facedown | should i get pk-config? |
| 21:11.45 | itchi | facedown: is pkg-config installed? |
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| 21:11.52 | facedown | I guess not. |
| 21:11.56 | facedown | I never installed it |
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| 21:12.05 | lynucs | peterS: what is the reason? |
| 21:12.05 | itchi | facedown: Well check it first, i guess that it is |
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| 21:12.19 | opensrcguru | 5 |
| 21:12.24 | enouf | peterS: wil cp work (like that) on two separate block devices when neither is mounted? |
| 21:12.25 | peterS | lynucs: dd has a horrible command line syntax that nobody can remember until they've used it a few times. cp is a lot more intuitive. |
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| 21:12.30 | peterS | enouf: sure |
| 21:12.44 | lynucs | oh.. well the if and of is ok to remember in that case |
| 21:12.45 | lynucs | :) |
| 21:13.00 | peterS | lynucs: also there is the principle of combating the widespread myth that "dd is required if you're talking about block devices" |
| 21:13.01 | enouf | peterS: ok, thought so, but i recall trying some things with the /dev/fd0 when i saw yuo talk about it months ago - thanks |
| 21:13.11 | r3k13m | Bushmills: right now i had a freeze with rhythmbox, so i think is every application |
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| 21:13.38 | itchi | facedown: Is it installed? Check with dpkg -l pkg-config if you get ii in the begin, it is |
| 21:13.39 | r3k13m | Bushmills: maybe i need to disable alsa, to see if i have any freeze |
| 21:13.54 | Bushmills | r3k13m: worth a try. |
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| 21:14.09 | facedown | nope |
| 21:14.10 | facedown | it isnt |
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| 21:14.14 | r3k13m | Bushmills: rmmod alsa ? |
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| 21:14.53 | peterS | r3k13m: well, the alsa modules aren't called that, there are a lot of alsa modules that get loaded, all of which start with "snd_". |
| 21:15.30 | Bushmills | what is the diff between unloading alsa, and not playing any sound? |
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| 21:16.11 | r3k13m | Bushmills: good point :) |
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| 21:17.04 | facedown | wow. it never ends does it |
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| 21:17.07 | KU0N | hello |
| 21:17.10 | facedown | installed pkg-config, now i need some other crap. |
| 21:17.14 | facedown | jesus christ. |
| 21:17.17 | enouf | r3k13m: are you trying to use ALSA or OSS? |
| 21:17.21 | lynucs | when using dd for iso creating, is sth necessary like bs option or anything else? |
| 21:17.35 | r3k13m | enouf: ALSA |
| 21:17.40 | KU0N | I have a debian etch on an LX800 embedded motherboard. I found the following driver for the video: http://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-amd |
| 21:17.43 | peterS | lynucs: no, either dd or cp with no particular flags will work fine |
| 21:17.48 | KU0N | Is there any way to have it on etch? |
| 21:17.50 | enouf | not needed, but bs=4K might help |
| 21:17.57 | Bushmills | lynucs: when not specifying, dd will use the whole devie |
| 21:17.59 | Bushmills | ice |
| 21:18.07 | Bushmills | or, the whole cd, in your case |
| 21:18.12 | enouf | lynucs: dd uses bs=512 as default |
| 21:18.18 | peterS | lynucs: you can say dd bs=2k or bs=4k or bs=1m but it isn't needed. I'm not even sure what an optimal value is, given that the kernel will do readahead regardless |
| 21:18.27 | enouf | r3k13m: using KDE? Gnome? |
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| 21:18.31 | pipeline | I'm rebuilding three mdadm RAID arrays simultaneously, and it's making the system unbearable to use. Is there any way that I can turn down the priority on that rebuild? |
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| 21:18.41 | r3k13m | enouf: Gnome, on lenny |
| 21:18.47 | lynucs | enouf: what do you mean with "might help"? |
| 21:19.00 | enouf | peterS: i believe it's the largest kernel pagesize for optimal, but .. i could be mistaken |
| 21:19.00 | peterS | lynucs: it won't "help". it might make things 0.00001% faster. |
| 21:19.09 | lynucs | okay i'll just use of and if :) |
| 21:19.36 | peterS | cp uses 4096 bytes by default, dd uses 512 bytes by default, therefore if you don't use bs=, cp is slightly more efficient. |
| 21:19.51 | enouf | actually, ISO uses 2048 blocks, but i'm not sure if dd using 512 affects that - somehow i doubt it |
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| 21:19.58 | peterS | but you'd never be able to measure the difference, I suspect, given the variance of cdrom read speeds anyway |
| 21:20.33 | facedown | No package 'sigc++-2.0' found <-- i cant find it in aptitude |
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| 21:20.59 | enouf | r3k13m: well GNOME, i'm not sure how to tell it "Use ALSA only" , but also try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base select ALSA |
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| 21:21.04 | facedown | if i do locate sigc++ i get lots of results |
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| 21:21.14 | enouf | r3k13m: might want to ensure alsa-oss and alsa-utils is installed |
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| 21:21.41 | ALiENr0x | hi all |
| 21:21.43 | ALiENr0x | how i can fix it |
| 21:21.44 | ALiENr0x | checking for gcc... gcc |
| 21:21.44 | ALiENr0x | checking for C compiler default output... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 21:21.46 | ALiENr0x | ? |
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| 21:21.52 | peterS | ALiENr0x: install build-essential |
| 21:21.55 | itchi | facedown: apt-cache search sigc |
| 21:21.56 | ALiENr0x | is installed |
| 21:22.05 | enouf | r3k13m: alsa device names appear as "default" within an Apps config, while "hw.0:0" and such designate OSS devices, afaik |
| 21:22.07 | r3k13m | enouf: I dont have alsa-oss installed, can that cause the problem? |
| 21:22.08 | itchi | facedown: Which release are you running? |
| 21:22.10 | netdaemon | anyone has good tutorial for automake and autoconf? |
| 21:22.10 | peterS | ALiENr0x: then you probably need to read your config.log file and find out what went wrong |
| 21:22.16 | enouf | r3k13m: sure, it's a wrapper |
| 21:22.19 | ALiENr0x | ok w8 |
| 21:22.20 | facedown | etch |
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| 21:22.58 | enouf | r3k13m: as well as making sure lsmod shows snd_mixer_oss and snd_pcm_oss (otherwise modprobe the mixer, it should pull in pcm as a depends) |
| 21:23.16 | laurly | hey! i installed samba :) |
| 21:23.20 | esaym | does flash, mozilla java plugin, and win32codecs all work in amd64 without chroot yet? |
| 21:23.30 | netdaemon | esaym, flash does |
| 21:23.32 | pipeline | esaym: No. |
| 21:23.33 | enouf | with nswrapperplugin ? |
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| 21:23.34 | laurly | is having way to much fund oing this |
| 21:23.36 | esaym | drat |
| 21:23.39 | itchi | facedown: Is libsigc++-2.0-0c2a installed? |
| 21:23.40 | Kevin` | esaym there's a *64codecs |
| 21:23.45 | pipeline | esaym: Your best bet is to install a 32 bit debian with a 64 bit kernel. |
| 21:24.02 | ALiENr0x | petemc: http://pastebin.com/m313f1830 |
| 21:24.02 | Kevin` | bah. install 64 and use 64 |
| 21:24.07 | ALiENr0x | peterS: http://pastebin.com/m313f1830 |
| 21:24.12 | r3k13m | enouf: yes snd_pdm_oss and snd_mixer_oss it's loaded, and I've installed alsa-oss right now |
| 21:24.20 | esaym | pipeline: I tried that but then I couldn't install nvidia drivers |
| 21:24.25 | facedown | itchi: libsigc++-dev is installed, as well as libsigc++2.0-0c2a |
| 21:24.35 | facedown | it has an i next to it |
| 21:24.45 | pipeline | esaym: heh, I think my desktop is set up that way. Let me take a look at whatever the hell I did. |
| 21:25.09 | peterS | ALiENr0x: what version of build-essential do you have? 'dpkg -l build-essential' |
| 21:25.25 | pipeline | esaym: oh, nasty, haha. I have a 64 bit chroot I used to build the driver. |
| 21:25.37 | ALiENr0x | peterS: build-essential 11.3 |
| 21:25.39 | peterS | ALiENr0x: and for that matter what version of binutils |
| 21:25.42 | esaym | pipeline: I think to install nvidia drivers with a i386 and amd kernel you might have to link the lib64 directores to the regular 32bit ones |
| 21:25.42 | esaym | yea |
| 21:25.44 | pipeline | esaym: I think at some point they were putting the 64 bit gcc into the 32 bit debian so that you could build kernel drivers for a 64 bit kernel, but I don't know about that. |
| 21:25.55 | pipeline | esaym: no, the nvidia driver itself doesn't give a crap. |
| 21:26.06 | esaym | oh so it is just gcc? |
| 21:26.21 | peterS | ALiENr0x: gcc is saying it can't find ld, but if binutils is installed, that should not happen |
| 21:26.22 | esaym | maybe remove 32 bit gcc and install the 64 bit one? |
| 21:26.35 | itchi | facedown: Install libsigc++-2.0-dev |
| 21:26.38 | ALiENr0x | peterS: binutils 2.17-3 |
| 21:26.46 | Kevin` | the nvidia driver has a binary component. if they didn't include it compiled for 64bit it's not going to work |
| 21:26.50 | facedown | itchi: Did. |
| 21:26.53 | facedown | itchi: I typed it above |
| 21:27.13 | esaym | Kevin`: it is a binary but the kernel module must still be compiled |
| 21:27.18 | facedown | oh.. 2-0 |
| 21:27.23 | itchi | facedown: You didn't tell the dev version 2.0 |
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| 21:27.31 | Kevin` | esaym yes, two things that have to work =p |
| 21:27.50 | facedown | k.. here we go |
| 21:27.57 | r3k13m | enouf: thank you, I am playing sounds now, i hope it will not freeze |
| 21:27.59 | facedown | wow.. finally |
| 21:28.01 | facedown | thanks |
| 21:28.07 | enouf | r3k13m: ok |
| 21:28.09 | itchi | facedown: Compiled? |
| 21:28.11 | pipeline | Kevin`, esaym : The 32 bit binary OpenGL libs and such can talk to the 64 bit kernel driver just fine. That's not the problem. |
| 21:28.14 | facedown | err |
| 21:28.19 | peterS | ALiENr0x: so 'ld --version' works fine? gcc can't find ld, it seems |
| 21:28.20 | facedown | the ./configure worked without any errors now |
| 21:28.26 | facedown | but then i typed make and im getting some random weird errors |
| 21:28.31 | facedown | again, compiling libtorrent |
| 21:28.31 | pipeline | esaym: the problem is just getting the 64 bit kernel driver built. I found the easiest way to do it was to construct a 64 bit chroot with debootstrap |
| 21:28.33 | facedown | the latest .tar.gz of it |
| 21:28.37 | ALiENr0x | peterS: GNU ld version 2.17 Debian GNU/Linux |
| 21:28.42 | Kevin` | pipeline last I checked the driver loaded additional binary code into kernel space |
| 21:28.44 | facedown | actually they might not be errors.. just weird looking messages |
| 21:28.46 | itchi | facedown: Pastebin the error |
| 21:28.57 | itchi | facedown: Informative messages? |
| 21:28.58 | facedown | scary looking |
| 21:29.10 | facedown | -I -I all over the place |
| 21:29.13 | r3k13m | enouf: but I have a question, if alsa-oss it is necesary, why it's not on the alsa dependencies? |
| 21:29.15 | itchi | facedown: may be normal |
| 21:29.16 | facedown | if make install wont work ill pastebin |
| 21:29.32 | facedown | man.. so much work to get programs installed :( |
| 21:29.45 | itchi | facedown: Because you didn't know ... :-p |
| 21:30.00 | itchi | facedown: Tell me, which tool do you use to track down the stuff you compile from sources? |
| 21:30.08 | facedown | google? lol |
| 21:30.50 | esaym | yea, computer prices are so low right now. I am thinking about upgrading my 32 bit athlon box. Not really sure if I want to go full 64 install. |
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| 21:30.55 | facedown | i google the latest .tar.gz's and sometimes i get them via aptitude |
| 21:31.08 | itchi | facedown: No, i mean, how would you know where all these compiled stuff is installed on your system and which file belongs to which program? |
| 21:31.15 | facedown | ... dunno |
| 21:31.18 | peterS | ALiENr0x: I don't think I've ever heard of your problem happening on debian etch. does this work? echo 'int main() { return 0; }' | gcc -xc - -o /dev/null |
| 21:31.32 | Kevin` | esaym I run 64bit here painlessly, but it's primarily a server |
| 21:31.34 | itchi | facedown: You should use a program that let you track it down, somethings like paco or so |
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| 21:31.45 | ALiENr0x | peterS: collect2: cannot find 'ld' |
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| 21:32.09 | peterS | so, same problem that configure has |
| 21:32.13 | esaym | Kevin`: Yea, I need my video players though. Might just do a 32bit chroot |
| 21:32.15 | enouf | r3k13m: well, maybe it's only needed for OSS apps (older apps not written with ALSA in mind ) |
| 21:32.19 | ALiENr0x | peterS: how i can fix? |
| 21:32.45 | peterS | ALiENr0x: try the same with -v: echo 'int main() { return 0; }' | gcc -v -xc - -o /dev/null |
| 21:32.48 | Kevin` | esaym there IS a win64codecs. and most everything works without windows codecs anyway. |
| 21:33.05 | enouf | r3k13m: it might be a Recommends: and if so, default aptitude install alsa<whatever> should pull it in |
| 21:33.20 | esaym | true |
| 21:33.23 | ALiENr0x | peterS: http://pastebin.com/m4c237d37 |
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| 21:33.31 | r3k13m | enouf: ok thanks :) |
| 21:35.01 | peterS | ALiENr0x: so it successfully runs 'as' but cannot run 'ld' - are both of those in /usr/bin as they should be? |
| 21:35.17 | ALiENr0x | peterS: yes is there |
| 21:35.34 | ALiENr0x | peterS: /usr/bin/ld: no input files |
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| 21:36.18 | peterS | ALiENr0x: I don't know why collect2 would be unable to find ld, then. it should be looking in /usr/bin just as gcc looks for 'as' there earlier |
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| 21:36.39 | peterS | (collect2 is a wrapper around ld) |
| 21:36.44 | ALiENr0x | peterS: so what i can do? |
| 21:36.51 | ALiENr0x | peterS: rm -rf 7 ? XD |
| 21:36.55 | ALiENr0x | peterS: rm -rf / ? XD |
| 21:37.33 | lynucs | err.. Track 01: data 3890 MB |
| 21:37.33 | lynucs | Total size: 4468 MB (442:40.64) = 1992048 sectors |
| 21:37.40 | lynucs | is it an undvd? |
| 21:37.57 | enouf | huh? |
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| 21:38.14 | peterS | ALiENr0x: I don't know - I'd probably reinstall 'gcc-4.1' on the theory that perhaps collect2 is messed up |
| 21:38.20 | enouf | lynucs: copy on the fly == no good? |
| 21:38.31 | ALiENr0x | peterS: i hope that whit reinstall work.. |
| 21:38.37 | lynucs | enouf: didn't try :) |
| 21:38.44 | lynucs | not yet |
| 21:39.09 | lynucs | that's information of iso created with dd |
| 21:39.52 | itchi | facedown: Working? |
| 21:40.26 | facedown | hm yeah.. except its complaining about a port thats blacklisted (it NEVER ends huh) |
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| 21:40.39 | ALiENr0x | peterS: dpkg: dpkg - error: PATH is not set. |
| 21:40.50 | ALiENr0x | peterS: uff... how i can fix also this XD |
| 21:40.51 | peterS | PATH is not set? did you unset PATH? |
| 21:41.07 | ALiENr0x | peterS: i dunno is not mine this server.. |
| 21:41.15 | ALiENr0x | peterS: how i can set it? |
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| 21:41.47 | peterS | ALiENr0x: export PATH=/bin:/usr/bin |
| 21:41.54 | peterS | and that may fix your gcc issue as well |
| 21:42.00 | enouf | lynucs: growisofs has a -dry-run option as well, but not sure how that would work for direct optical -> optical |
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| 21:42.15 | lynucs | enouf: i see.. |
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| 21:42.21 | ALiENr0x | petemc: thx |
| 21:42.47 | peterS | but I'm confused, if PATH isn't set, how you could run gcc in the first place |
| 21:44.06 | spacemonkey|lapt | m-a failed to build rt2570. is there anything that i might not have installed that it needs? |
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| 21:44.55 | lynucs | enouf: as it had to be: :-( /dev/hdc: 1991936 blocks are free, 1992222 to be written! |
| 21:44.58 | facedown | FINALLY! :) |
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| 21:46.40 | enouf | lynucs: huh? -overburn |
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| 21:47.01 | abrotman | spacemonkey|lapt: m-a prepare ? |
| 21:47.08 | enouf | read a man pge ffs ;-) |
| 21:47.16 | lynucs | enouf: that adds only a line "ignoring" to ouput and stops /at dry-run at least) |
| 21:47.22 | spacemonkey|lapt | abrotman: i did that |
| 21:47.32 | abrotman | spacemonkey|lapt: check the error logs |
| 21:47.35 | enouf | lynucs: huh? |
| 21:47.36 | lynucs | enouf: if Track 01: data 3890 MB... and Total size: 4468 MB |
| 21:47.43 | lynucs | then the difference is only dummy data? |
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| 21:48.39 | r3k13m | enouf: after a while, i have had a freeze |
| 21:49.11 | r3k13m | enouf: now I really dont know what is causing the problem... |
| 21:49.43 | enouf | r3k13m: was it any different? did it take much longer to freeze? how is it freezing? rhythmbox? |
| 21:50.05 | enouf | r3k13m: does anything else freeze, not sound related? |
| 21:50.14 | sophacles | hey all, im trying to use a serial line (rs232) from /dev/ttyS0 and cu says that it cant open /dev/ttyS0 (line in use). but lsof /dev/ttyS0 shows nothing. how do i resolve this? |
| 21:50.46 | r3k13m | enouf: yes take much longer to freeze, i was talking in skype, and the whole system |
| 21:50.58 | r3k13m | get freeze |
| 21:51.07 | enouf | lsof | egrep 'esd|artsd|firefox|flash' .. kill them all ;-) |
| 21:51.12 | enouf | ugh skype, ok |
| 21:51.32 | r3k13m | but i think is not skype |
| 21:51.47 | octox2 | is the kernel and or mdraid was able to read from two drives in a mirror at the same time splitting up the task and making retreaval faster? |
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| 21:52.57 | lynucs | enouf: the actual size of the iso file is 3,8 GB, but the cdrecord tells me "Total size: 4468 MB (442:40.64) = 1992048 sectors |
| 21:53.04 | dob1 | hi, i have installed some packages from backports.org, how can i know which packages are from that repository? |
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| 21:54.04 | enouf | lynucs: you're all over the place .. i have no idea what you're talking about anymore |
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| 21:54.20 | lynucs | enouf: sorry.. |
| 21:54.31 | lynucs | enouf: i created the iso with dd now |
| 21:54.32 | enouf | no, no worries |
| 21:54.46 | r3k13m | enouf: you think is skyyype? |
| 21:54.51 | lynucs | enouf: the file size (ls -lh) is 3.8gb |
| 21:54.58 | enouf | r3k13m: no idea really |
| 21:56.03 | davidL | I have an NFS share which is chowned with a different UID than my own, how can I access it without changing my UID? |
| 21:56.23 | lynucs | enouf: but cdrecord tells http://rafb.net/p/ekntWF65.html |
| 21:56.25 | enouf | lynucs: what does that matter? i suggested trying it the way i mentioned - you may have lost padding and pregap and all sorts of crap, especially if it;s Audio |
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| 21:56.33 | phorce1 | Debian etch running a web server and mailing list for a group I belong to. I need to allow others to edit the web pages but would prefer they use scp rather than setting up an ftp server. BUT, is there a way to lock individuals into only being able to see the directories/files that belong to their specific group (multiple sites) like when using a chroot for ftp? And I'm talking about people who will connect with graphical clients like winscp -- when they con |
| 21:56.42 | r3k13m | enouf: i will play now just rhythmbox to check |
| 21:56.44 | dokma | hi guys |
| 21:56.51 | earthnative | davidL: you need a maps file to translate the UIDs. they're a pain and I haven't used them in years. look for doco :) |
| 21:57.12 | dokma | is there some way to list my sound devices? I can't figure out what to pass to recordmydesktop in the -device param |
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| 21:58.16 | davidL | earthnative: this maps file would be server-side right? |
| 21:58.21 | enouf | dokma: maybe lshal | grep linux,device_file |
| 21:58.28 | lynucs | enouf: and growisofs tells me that the file is too big, but actually it's not |
| 21:58.46 | dokma | enouf: tx let me check that out |
| 21:58.47 | enouf | sorry lshal | grep linux.device_file |
| 21:58.53 | enouf | dokma: ^^ |
| 21:59.42 | enouf | lynucs: which file? i suggested use the -overburn option if needed, but i mentioned ditch the ISO idea |
| 22:00.57 | lynucs | startign growisofs with overburn option doesnt keep the process from aborting |
| 22:02.31 | lynucs | enouf: okay :) |
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| 22:02.53 | dokma | enouf: this command prints out stuff like /dev/dsp |
| 22:03.06 | dokma | what I saw being passed to recordmydesktop is this |
| 22:03.11 | dokma | hw:CMI8738,0 |
| 22:03.15 | dokma | or hw:0,0 |
| 22:03.22 | dokma | what is the difference? |
| 22:03.56 | enouf | well, those are both OSS device names, nothing in /dev/snd/PCMxxxx? or "default" |
| 22:04.19 | dokma | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.21 | dokma | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.31 | enouf | i have those too |
| 22:04.43 | dokma | recordmydesktop does not like them |
| 22:05.18 | dokma | by itself or when I prepend it with aoss or artsdsp |
| 22:05.41 | dokma | perhaps I should try and shut down my KDE sound system first? |
| 22:06.32 | enouf | maybe, no idea |
| 22:06.55 | enouf | is ALSA selected in KControl? |
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| 22:10.49 | dokma | enouf: shutting down the sound system fixed it |
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| 22:10.55 | dokma | it accepted hw:0,0 |
| 22:11.15 | dokma | it works very well especially for me because I have a rather weak CPU |
| 22:11.25 | dokma | and recordmydesktop encodes after the capture |
| 22:11.43 | dokma | so it leaves me with enough cpu to actually do something while screencasting |
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| 22:13.32 | dokma | what's the diff between ogv and ogg files? |
| 22:13.38 | dokma | recordmydesktop creates ogv |
| 22:14.02 | enouf | dokma: good to hear |
| 22:14.30 | enouf | dokma: afaik, ogg is a container, ogv might mean audio only? (ogg vorbis?) |
| 22:14.35 | peterS | dokma: I think ogv usually denotes a variation of the ogg container that was hacked to work better for video content |
| 22:14.45 | enouf | theora is the video part |
| 22:14.50 | dokma | ahhh I see |
| 22:14.54 | enouf | oh |
| 22:15.04 | peterS | while ogg was designed as a container for arbitrary audio and video codecs, apparently it has some shortcomings for video, so ogv was created as a slight variation |
| 22:15.17 | dokma | is it possible to embed that sort of video into a web page such as it is common for flash videos? |
| 22:15.33 | peterS | I don't know the details of this |
| 22:16.00 | dokma | thanks! |
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| 22:16.06 | dokma | you cleared it up for me pretty good |
| 22:16.08 | enouf | dokma: ask about such things in ##linux perhaps |
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| 22:16.42 | dokma | tx |
| 22:16.45 | dokma | will go there |
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| 22:27.04 | varney | i just got debian on installed after being using Fedora 7. I try to aptitude things like perl (so i can install webmin etc) (ps surprised why perl etc isn't installed already??). i can't even apt-setup. where do i go to update the sources list? |
| 22:27.43 | abrotman | apt-setup is gone |
| 22:27.47 | abrotman | and perl is installed |
| 22:27.58 | varney | perl isn't installed |
| 22:28.10 | abrotman | varney: dpkg -l perl* |
| 22:28.11 | varney | i tried to install webmin but it says oerk inst installed |
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| 22:29.05 | varney | everything says <none> except for ii perl-base 5.8.8-7 The Pathologically Eclectic Rubbish Lister |
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| 22:29.20 | abrotman | varney: aptitude install perl |
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| 22:29.30 | varney | k hang on |
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| 22:29.52 | varney | it says enter Debian Cdrom in drive |
| 22:29.58 | varney | i can't, it's a dedibox |
| 22:29.58 | abrotman | right and? |
| 22:30.09 | varney | ^ |
| 22:30.23 | abrotman | varney: edit /etc/apt/sources.list .. comment out the cdrom sources .. run aptitude update && aptitude install perl |
| 22:30.36 | varney | k hang on |
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| 22:33.14 | varney | ok |
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| 22:33.17 | varney | it says this |
| 22:33.26 | varney | everything done, except "No candidate version found for perl" |
| 22:33.53 | themill | varney: do you have a mirror listed in your sources.list? |
| 22:34.12 | varney | no, that's what bothers me |
| 22:34.15 | varney | ! |
| 22:34.20 | itchi | stupid k0128yboard |
| 22:34.29 | varney | even though it said updated |
| 22:34.37 | abrotman | varney: add "deb http://ftp.ie.debian.org/debian/ etch main" to your /etc/apt/sources.list and then run aptitude update |
| 22:34.37 | varney | when i ran aptitide update |
| 22:34.48 | varney | k |
| 22:34.52 | MoDaX | !webmin |
| 22:34.52 | dpkg | it has been said that webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 22:35.16 | itchi | These 0128 was the e char. Once a while my keyboard become stupid :-( |
| 22:35.50 | itchi | This is a USB keyboard and i need to unplug and plug it back to get it fixed? What may happen? |
| 22:36.13 | varney | wahheyyy! seems to be working... :) |
| 22:36.24 | themill | varney: please don't install webmin anyway.... |
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| 22:36.29 | itchi | Ignore my first ? :-p |
| 22:36.36 | varney | what do you suggest i use instead of webmin? |
| 22:36.44 | varney | i use webmin+virtualmin |
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| 22:37.00 | abrotman | eww |
| 22:37.01 | varney | tried everything else, too complicated to install etc |
| 22:37.15 | varney | i wou;dn't use it in a prod env tho |
| 22:37.16 | Winkie | varney: frankly it's not that difficult to learn everything 'manually' |
| 22:37.23 | varney | Winkie |
| 22:37.25 | varney | suppose so |
| 22:37.27 | wwasher | erg. which keys do i have gpg put back in to make an apt-get/aptitude update work correctly? i just installed onto a box and to update i'm being told that gpgv gets errors. |
| 22:37.30 | varney | but too time consuming |
| 22:37.30 | wwasher | sighs |
| 22:37.40 | itchi | varney: Don't install it: problem solved: no complicated setup :-p |
| 22:37.43 | varney | virtualmin pro seems the way to go then |
| 22:37.44 | wwasher | itchi : i thought the number was a clever joke... :) |
| 22:37.51 | abrotman | wwasher: /topic |
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| 22:38.20 | itchi | wwasher: Well, it's now the second time this happend with the e char, i got this trouble 4 times till now :-( |
| 22:38.27 | varney | abrotman: many thanks for your help "so far" |
| 22:38.39 | Winkie | i'm kinda worried that people hate webmin so much, i mean it runs as root which is very silly and i've seen some bad code, but i didn't think it was that terrible |
| 22:38.53 | wwasher | abrotman : apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update? came back with same error. |
| 22:38.58 | abrotman | Winkie: it's bad .. no one should use it |
| 22:39.01 | abrotman | wwasher: full error |
| 22:39.09 | varney | Winkie: i tend to agree, considering its flexibility compared to other free panels |
| 22:39.27 | Winkie | varney: well i would never use it on anything important as it does require root and that should always be avoided |
| 22:39.29 | abrotman | and anyone saying they "need" it should be fired from their admin job |
| 22:39.34 | Winkie | well indeed abrotman |
| 22:39.43 | Winkie | but even so, i never thought it was that bad |
| 22:39.49 | Winkie | is there anything specific, or is it just generally poor code? |
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| 22:40.53 | itchi | When i started to manage my own server, i used webadmin as last resort tool, i'm happy i don't use it for long time :-p I don't have used it much too :-) |
| 22:41.07 | abrotman | itchi: but we made fun of you a lot! |
| 22:41.25 | itchi | abrotman: Well, if i have use it 6 time, it is much |
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| 22:41.44 | abrotman | tries to translate .. and fails |
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| 22:42.08 | itchi | The web interface is much more confusing as reading the docs and using the lovely text editor |
| 22:42.15 | itchi | Yeah, i'm tired :-p |
| 22:42.34 | itchi | Have a horrible nice night guys! :-p |
| 22:43.47 | lynucs | enouf: i guess i know what caused that issue.. since it's a dvd-ram device, maybe the growisofs&co tried to write as UDF fs on the disc? then the following dmesg after inserting the burned dvd would make sense: http://rafb.net/p/Z19VHV41.html |
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| 22:44.04 | lynucs | trying to record it with non-ram device |
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| 22:48.30 | varney | what the hell web panel are people using then? i can't see many other options, apart from Plesk or cPanel..? |
| 22:48.58 | simNIX | prefers console |
| 22:49.01 | pipeline | varney: plesk is the defacto standard |
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| 22:49.12 | simNIX | maybe try Webmin |
| 22:49.12 | wwasher_ | abrotman : http://pastebin.com/d52ec1c7 |
| 22:49.18 | varney | i removed plesk because i hated it |
| 22:49.19 | pipeline | varney: it's very unpleasant to use. Its primary purpose is cheap shared hosting: providing a panel and denying any kind of phone support really gets the costs down :) |
| 22:49.24 | varney | :~ |
| 22:49.27 | simNIX | plesk = closed source if im correcT ? |
| 22:49.33 | varney | correct |
| 22:49.41 | wwasher_ | abrotman: i'm sure it is something i've seen before, i just cannot remember (and google hasn't rmeembered for me) what i'm doing |
| 22:49.44 | wwasher_ | wrong |
| 22:49.46 | varney | i'm not paying $15 extra a month when i don't have to |
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| 22:49.52 | pipeline | simNIX: oh, it might be open. I'm not sure. But it's certainly not free. |
| 22:49.55 | abrotman | wwasher_: try another mirror ? |
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| 22:50.06 | ziyax | Hello, I can not add new user for SNMPd with net-snmpd-config or with editing manually, any information about it or solution ideas? |
| 22:50.09 | Haris | Hello everyone |
| 22:50.14 | pipeline | varney: look, web panels suck. Always. You can't run a UNIX server from a web interface. Nothing doing, son. |
| 22:50.27 | wwasher_ | abrotman : aight |
| 22:50.30 | wwasher_ | thx] |
| 22:50.56 | Madd_Matt | pipeline, what if the web interface gave you a javascript terminal :-P |
| 22:51.15 | varney | pipeline: then how is it possible to manage 100 websites manually? or is that the point - you don't have problems when you do it manually?!? |
| 22:51.26 | lynucs | is there any way to set the FS on a dvd taht should burned? |
| 22:51.37 | lynucs | should be* |
| 22:52.03 | Haris | I'v raised squid's FD limit to 65K, rebuilt the kernel to support this much FDs, I'v changed the NIC, but still the box at times just doesn't accept requests for port 80. I'm still having problem finding out why it doesn't answer ONLY for port 80 at random ? |
| 22:53.03 | pipeline | varney: You do it manually. |
| 22:53.11 | pipeline | varney: If you are able to use a shared apache instance, it gets a lot easier :) |
| 22:53.18 | pipeline | varney: if that's not an option, it gets a lot harder :( |
| 22:54.14 | pipeline | lynucs: pretty sure data dvds use udf, just like audio and video dvds |
| 22:55.41 | lynucs | hmm.. just managed to burn the dvd in a "normal" dvd-rom burner under ubuntu.. but dvd-ram device on debian machine can't burn dvds properly-- wtf |
| 22:56.10 | lynucs | just killed dvd's |
| 22:56.13 | lynucs | darn |
| 22:56.32 | pipeline | lynucs: uh... well... a dvd-ram device is only going to burn dvd-ram |
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| 22:57.40 | noppe | what's the difference between the 4.0_r3d-vd1 torrent and the update_4.0_r3-dvd1 torrent? |
| 22:57.44 | usar | hi |
| 22:58.59 | usar | I have a laptop with an external monitor connected. in general, configuring it using xrandr worked perfectly, I now have (like I wanted) a duplicate of my laptop-screen on the external device. Problem is: when using xv to display videos, they only show on the laptop screen, not the external monitor |
| 22:59.04 | usar | andy hints on what I am missing? |
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| 22:59.28 | usar | the videos only showing on the external monitor, not on the laptop screen, would be perfectly fine |
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| 23:01.35 | usar | well, ok, I 'fixed' it by switching off the laptop monitor using xrandr. not perfect but enough for now. |
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| 23:07.49 | MoDaX | usar: it's called overlay. you probably have to enable it in xorg |
| 23:07.53 | lynucs | what might prevent my dvd-ram device from burning normal dvds properly? |
| 23:07.57 | Haris | I have apache running on port 80 |
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| 23:08.03 | Haris | and iptables is redirecting it to squid |
| 23:08.09 | MoDaX | xorg.conf |
| 23:08.10 | Haris | should that matter? |
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| 23:10.49 | varney | damn i got cut off there :( |
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| 23:11.35 | rgr | If there is anyone here using debian lenny with vmware player can you tell me how to change audio device? I can not use vmware server as it wont compile with the 2.6.24 kernel. |
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| 23:13.03 | varney | since i'm new to debian, can anyone recommend how i install apache (e.g. do i have to compile it specially, or wil a simple aptitude apache2 do the trick)? |
| 23:13.32 | varney | just so i don't have to reinstall it later coz i forgot something. |
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| 23:13.52 | varney | fedora you see, had all the things i needed preinstalled, like php-cli and so on |
| 23:14.19 | varney | debian, otoh is like a bare-branched tree |
| 23:14.19 | rgr | varney: just look in synaptic. It could not be easier. |
| 23:14.42 | varney | rgr: does that apply to a dedibox (e.g. i thought synaptic was a gui) |
| 23:14.55 | rgr | then google up apt-get iinstall |
| 23:15.02 | spockboy | varney: you had it right, almost. aptitude install apache2 |
| 23:15.03 | varney | or are you suggesting i connect via vnc? |
| 23:15.18 | spockboy | varney: you can run aptitude from the command line |
| 23:15.25 | rgr | sorry missed the no gui. You can still use "apt-get install apache2" |
| 23:15.36 | rgr | as root obviously |
| 23:15.42 | spockboy | rgr: don't forget, I believe aptitude is preferred over apt-get ;-) |
| 23:15.49 | pike_ | bah |
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| 23:16.03 | varney | yeah, thought so. i must say this debian channel is a lot more friendly than Fedora...#debian ftw :) |
| 23:16.10 | metbsd | be ware apt-get/aptitude may get you into dependencies hell |
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| 23:16.16 | asarch | How can I reconfigure my keyboard? |
| 23:16.55 | varney | metbsd: i already encountered that trying to install perl, it said use apt-get -f install |
| 23:16.59 | varney | and it worked |
| 23:17.06 | varney | for now! |
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| 23:17.16 | metbsd | lucky you |
| 23:17.19 | metbsd | unlucky me |
| 23:17.21 | spockboy | metbsd: ? if you mean mixing apt-get/aptitude, then yes, it can sometimes. I'd recommend only using one or the other. the Etch upgrade guide mentions that aptitude is preferred |
| 23:17.21 | rgr | I have never used aptitude - only apt-get. No problems. |
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| 23:17.43 | priority|afk | hi |
| 23:17.57 | rgr | spockboy: didnt know that. Someone needs to go out to net land and rewrite the millions of short how tos since almost none use aptitude over apt-get. |
| 23:18.03 | metbsd | why is aptitude prefered, why not disable apt-get if aptitude is usable |
| 23:18.06 | varney | which order to install apache-php-perl in? |
| 23:18.12 | metbsd | what's the point to keep them both? |
| 23:18.19 | spockboy | aptitude has superior dependency resolution, and removes packages that were auto-installed and are no longer needed. |
| 23:18.27 | varney | ah |
| 23:18.29 | metbsd | keep them both to create conflict? |
| 23:18.32 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 23:18.32 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 23:18.38 | rgr | metbsd: yeah. typical overkill/mess. |
| 23:18.43 | asarch | !keyboard |
| 23:18.44 | dpkg | A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/, or or ask me about "keyboard specialkeys" |
| 23:18.52 | abrotman | metbsd: apt-get still doesn't things aptitude can't but in most situations aptitude is better |
| 23:18.57 | asarch | !keyboard specialkeys |
| 23:18.58 | dpkg | keyboard specialkeys are some special keys in your keyboard such Home, End, PgUp and PgDown or others. I think you should read "man setkeycodes" that involves "man showkey" too. |
| 23:19.08 | asarch | !locale |
| 23:19.08 | dpkg | hmm... locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 23:19.09 | DirkGently | !why apt-get |
| 23:19.15 | metbsd | anyone can say which one is better and why |
| 23:19.22 | abrotman | !tell metbsd about why aptitude |
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| 23:19.39 | priority|afk | short question: has anyone tried to set up a crypted filesystem in combination with software raid(1)? |
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| 23:20.24 | asarch | !keyboard distribution |
| 23:20.26 | abrotman | !tell asarch about keymap |
| 23:20.29 | abrotman | !tell asarch about msg the bot |
| 23:20.35 | varney | is php as clean as apache2 was there? or do i need to specify --with-cli etc? |
| 23:20.44 | varney | (when installing) |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 23:20.52 | abrotman | what the hell is "--with-cli" ? |
| 23:21.02 | varney | well whatever it is, i never did it before |
| 23:21.23 | varney | i need php-cli enabled, i was told it isn't enabled by default but on fedora it was |
| 23:21.24 | abrotman | varney: apt-cache search php5 cli |
| 23:21.30 | abrotman | !tell varney about grounding |
| 23:21.59 | asarch | Thank you abrotman |
| 23:21.59 | pike_ | i was assuming nvidia-glx would be in 'main contrib non-free' can someone do a 'apt-cache madison nvidia-glx' and confirm this for testing? |
| 23:22.00 | asarch | :-) |
| 23:22.03 | asarch | Have a nice day |
| 23:22.04 | asarch | :-) |
| 23:23.22 | priority|afk | i tried to set up a crypted filesystem for root (dm-crypt) and swap (loop aes with random keys) on an software raid1 on a compaq proliant ml330 g2 server - the server has 2 scsi harddisks - partitions are 100mb for /boot 2gb for swap and the rest for / - but this don't work. |
| 23:23.31 | vvd | gorls girls girls |
| 23:23.33 | varney | this debian is incredible, no major problems so far. then again, installing LAMP isn't really rocket science is it? :) |
| 23:23.37 | DirkGently | pike_: |
| 23:23.37 | DirkGently | nvidia-glx | 1.0.8776-4 | http://www.mirrorservice.org etch/non-free Packages |
| 23:23.37 | DirkGently | nvidia-graphics-drivers | 1.0.8776-4 | http://www.mirrorservice.org etch/non-free Sources |
| 23:23.44 | vvd | hello girls |
| 23:24.02 | vvd | :D |
| 23:24.12 | abrotman | vvd: do you have a debian question? |
| 23:24.15 | varney | lol |
| 23:24.25 | vvd | abrotman: all i really want is girls |
| 23:24.30 | abrotman | vvd: last chance |
| 23:24.36 | varney | #debian-girls |
| 23:24.40 | vvd | ok, debian is ftw |
| 23:24.46 | abrotman | varney: please don't feed the troll |
| 23:24.51 | varney | heh |
| 23:24.53 | vvd | abrotman: sorry :D |
| 23:24.56 | lynucs | ban ban ban |
| 23:25.02 | vvd | nooooooo please |
| 23:25.04 | vvd | dont |
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| 23:25.10 | vvd | ill shut up asap |
| 23:25.12 | vvd | now |
| 23:25.24 | priority|afk | when i test it on vmware server, i can reproduce the problem |
| 23:25.38 | priority|afk | ive tried etch and the beta1 netinstaller from lenny/sid |
| 23:26.20 | DirkGently | what happens when debian runs out of toy story characters? |
| 23:26.26 | vvd | ha |
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| 23:27.04 | DirkGently | I know it'll be 2059 before that happens, but anyway... |
| 23:27.17 | abrotman | DirkGently: they'll worry about it when it happens |
| 23:28.02 | lynucs | DirkGently: they'll take the characters from star trek |
| 23:28.05 | vvd | DirkGently: ask ian or deborah(?) |
| 23:28.06 | lynucs | there are enough :D |
| 23:28.14 | vvd | what was that girls nam |
| 23:28.49 | lynucs | n8y n8 |
| 23:30.49 | vvd | btw, is ian around? |
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| 23:31.25 | priority|afk | does anyone read this channel? or where can i get help for etch/lenny? |
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| 23:32.14 | abrotman | priority|afk: "don't work" doesn't help |
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| 23:32.33 | abrotman | priority|afk: what about it doesn't work? |
| 23:33.02 | priority|afk | abrotman: on a single harddisk i see loop0 and a dmcrypt partition in the partition manager |
| 23:33.09 | priority|afk | after crypt setup |
| 23:33.54 | efaistos | how to know the compilation configuration of a pkg ? |
| 23:34.09 | priority|afk | on an software raid - the loop0 isnt there and dmcrypt shows no partitions |
| 23:34.23 | abrotman | efaistos: in the rules file of the source package |
| 23:34.40 | efaistos | abrotman: no other way ? |
| 23:34.47 | abrotman | efaistos: guess? |
| 23:34.50 | priority|afk | as i say, i can reproduce it in vmware, its an general software-raid problem |
| 23:35.11 | efaistos | abrotman: ;) |
| 23:35.17 | pike_ | ok.. im only using 2 repos in testing testing main contrib non-free and testing/udates main contrib non-free i would assume that nvidia-glx and linux-kbuild-2.6.22 would be in those repos do i need to add anything else? |
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| 23:35.45 | varney | dammit aptitude mysql5 won't work (package not found) |
| 23:35.53 | abrotman | pike_: lenny is on .24 |
| 23:36.05 | abrotman | varney: /msg dpkg grounding .. you're going to have to learn some day |
| 23:36.10 | abrotman | !tell varney about search |
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| 23:36.20 | abrotman | pike_: and nvidia stuff is broken in lenny |
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| 23:36.30 | pike_ | abrotman: ah ok |
| 23:36.38 | Madd_Matt | Its broken? How so? |
| 23:36.45 | priority|afk | and the problem exists in etch _and_ lenny |
| 23:36.46 | abrotman | it's not there? |
| 23:37.07 | Madd_Matt | Oh, I see. I'm using packages from sid. |
| 23:37.21 | Madd_Matt | I was going to ask what It was I installed yesterday >_> |
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| 23:39.32 | Soskel | hi |
| 23:39.43 | Soskel | how long until the temp dir is emptied? |
| 23:40.06 | pipeline | reboot |
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| 23:40.16 | priority|afk | try it yourself if you like: set up an vmware host with 2 identical scsi harddisks - create 3 partitions (boot/swap/root) and combine them to an software-raid1. then try to set up crypted filesystems on this raid1. for swap use loop-aes and for root use dmcrypt - then you will se what i mean ;) |
| 23:40.22 | Soskel | pipeline: how long if I don't reboot? |
| 23:40.36 | abrotman | never ? |
| 23:40.47 | pipeline | Soskel: it clears on reboot, so, go figure. |
| 23:41.05 | Soskel | can I setup a cron to empty it once every 3 hours or something? |
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| 23:41.16 | Soskel | would that work? do people do that? |
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| 23:41.36 | Bushmills | Soskel: better use something like tempreaper |
| 23:41.37 | Tramp | Soskel: No. in general you don't what in tmp is needed and what not. |
| 23:41.55 | Tramp | s/don't/don't know" |
| 23:42.03 | Bushmills | tmpreaper |
| 23:42.13 | Soskel | hmmm |
| 23:42.15 | Soskel | tempdir? |
| 23:42.19 | Soskel | *tempreaper/ |
| 23:42.58 | Bushmills | a utility cleaning files from your tmp according time of last access |
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| 23:43.16 | Soskel | nice |
| 23:43.24 | Soskel | apt-get install tempreaper? |
| 23:43.29 | Bushmills | tmpreaper |
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| 23:44.06 | priority|afk | has no one tried to set up crypted file systems on software raid before? i cant't believe this |
| 23:44.15 | priority|afk | -t |
| 23:45.04 | telexicon | priority|afk, i have |
| 23:45.27 | Masqy | Hi all, where can I get some help for making my debian testing recognize the wireless card (intel 3945) I'm using? |
| 23:45.41 | priority|afk | via debian installer or manual? |
| 23:46.01 | pipeline | Soskel: if you're worried about /tmp filling up, the best thing to do is put it on a filesystem separate from the root fs, so that filling /tmp does not bring the system down. |
| 23:46.09 | priority|afk | @telexicon |
| 23:46.11 | Masqy | priority|afk: I'm beyond installers and manuals :) and probably forums too. |
| 23:46.28 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 23:46.29 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
| 23:46.31 | telexicon | priority|afk, i did it afterwards with cryptsetup |
| 23:46.37 | Soskel | pipeline: nah, I think tmpreaper will be fine |
| 23:46.43 | abrotman | !tell Masqy about iwlwifi |
| 23:46.53 | priority|afk | is this easier than doing it with the debian installer? |
| 23:47.02 | Soskel | Bushmills: I just installed it, do I need to do anything next? like, config it or anything |
| 23:47.24 | Bushmills | Soskel: not "need" but you may want to. |
| 23:47.42 | Soskel | Bushmills: but, it's working right now? where is the config? is it running? |
| 23:47.47 | Masqy | abrotman: This kernel uses the iwlwifi driver but to no end.. |
| 23:47.56 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 23:48.19 | Masqy | I get this infamous Microcode Error |
| 23:48.42 | Masqy | after 'ifconfig wlan0 up', when I try 'iwlist wlan0 scan' |
| 23:48.45 | themill | Masqy: you'll have to tell us what it is.... |
| 23:48.52 | Masqy | I get a resource is busy message |
| 23:49.21 | extor | Who runs a linksys WRT54G here? |
| 23:49.33 | varney | me |
| 23:49.43 | varney | i think... |
| 23:50.15 | varney | actually no, mine is different |
| 23:50.20 | varney | why? |
| 23:50.34 | varney | i do have a linksys router modem though |
| 23:51.36 | extor | Yeah I am trying to figure out if I should buy a GS or a GL |
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| 23:52.21 | zinx | there are better routers, but if you're deciding between those two, the GL... because the GS models use vxworks last i checked, which is a terrible OS for routing |
| 23:52.51 | zinx | that's not really on-topic here, though :x |
| 23:52.51 | extor | cant the GS be hacked to work with linux? |
| 23:52.56 | extor | And what better routers are there |
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| 23:53.01 | abrotman | extor: ask #wireless or #networking |
| 23:53.08 | extor | it is on topic because the GL runs on a linux firmware image! |
| 23:53.16 | abrotman | extor: ask #wireless or #networking |
| 23:53.23 | Soskel | Bushmills: ?? |
| 23:53.26 | varney | "the L stands for Linux (based), as the original series model (the WRT54G) has moved to a non Linux based firmware in recent versions." |
| 23:53.29 | zinx | this channel is for Debian support. Debian won't run on routers like that :/ |
| 23:53.44 | abrotman | varney: stop |
| 23:53.58 | Bushmills | extor: yes, but recent models have less RAM and flash, which doesn't make them so nice anymore |
| 23:54.20 | extor | any other routers out there that can use a linux image? |
| 23:54.28 | varney | abrotman: i have a cold, so i'm not in the mood for this, so n8 n8 |
| 23:54.40 | abrotman | extor: go to #wireless or #networking .. this has nothing to do with debian |
| 23:54.45 | Bushmills | Soskel: when i tell you that config is in /etc/, i merely state the obvious |
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| 23:56.23 | Bushmills | extor: with WLAN, switch, USB and such? |
| 23:56.27 | abrotman | Bushmills: STOP |
| 23:56.37 | extor | yeah |
| 23:56.46 | extor | no need for USB..why would a router need USB? |
| 23:57.00 | extor | wlan, switch and eth required though |
| 23:57.05 | nevyn | for the external hdd to run the squid on ;) |
| 23:57.09 | nevyn | or for a printer. |
| 23:57.14 | extor | and firewall/av would be nice |
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| 23:57.20 | abrotman | extor: do you have a Debian question? and this is your last warning |
| 23:57.25 | extor | oooh squid |
| 23:57.39 | extor | I thought I asked, does debian have an embedded distro? |
| 23:57.44 | abrotman | !emdebian |
| 23:57.44 | dpkg | i heard emdebian is a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
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| 23:59.18 | dob1 | hi, how can i setup the startup to not load a module? |
| 23:59.25 | abrotman | !tell dob1 about blacklist |
| 23:59.42 | extor | looks at abrotman. Warning? |
