| 00:01.10 | dob1 | abrotman, thanks |
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| 00:02.14 | dob1 | abrotman, i have /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist not /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local, it's the same or i have to create the other one? |
| 00:02.47 | abrotman | should be fine |
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| 00:03.44 | Soskel | hi |
| 00:03.51 | Soskel | can I run rm -rf /tmp/ ? |
| 00:03.58 | Soskel | to clear the dir manually |
| 00:03.59 | abrotman | not a good plan |
| 00:04.03 | Soskel | ?? |
| 00:04.15 | priority|afk | lol |
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| 00:04.38 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 00:04.43 | priority|afk | any hints for my sw-raid-crypt-setup-problem? |
| 00:05.13 | karmatronic | is there a sepcific gnome package for shutdown function and file thumbnail preview ? |
| 00:05.38 | Masqy | there's nobody active on #2100 |
| 00:05.44 | Masqy | ipw2100 |
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| 00:06.57 | abrotman | try #iwlwifi ? |
| 00:07.00 | priority|afk | bei 788 leuten wirds ja auch n paar geben die deutsch sprechen - einer da? ;) |
| 00:07.19 | abrotman | !de |
| 00:07.19 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 00:07.31 | priority|afk | ah, thx |
| 00:07.54 | Masqy | abrotman: There's nobody there :( |
| 00:08.21 | abrotman | ah .. it's #ipw2100 .. sorry |
| 00:08.44 | Masqy | yes, I went there. |
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| 00:10.12 | Masqy | I don't really mind using kernel 2.6.22 (there my network adapter works perfectly using the old driver, iwl3945), but many other thigs don't. My iphone won't charge from the USB (pretty weird) |
| 00:10.23 | NatashaM | Hi I am trying to mount /dev/ /anotherroot/dev/ --bind in knoppix 5.3 but i get an error message |
| 00:10.29 | NatashaM | Why cant i mount it? |
| 00:10.57 | kgoetz | NatashaM: ask #knoppix |
| 00:11.05 | NatashaM | they do not respond |
| 00:11.14 | abrotman | NatashaM: then install debian |
| 00:11.16 | kgoetz | then wait |
| 00:11.21 | kgoetz | or that |
| 00:11.22 | NatashaM | knoppix is debian |
| 00:11.31 | abrotman | no .. it's not |
| 00:11.57 | NatashaM | kgoetz, phelp me or shut th efuck up |
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| 00:12.11 | NatashaM | knoppix is debian |
| 00:12.13 | NatashaM | basta! |
| 00:12.14 | abrotman | NatashaM: you're offtopic .. #debian does not support debian-based distros |
| 00:12.22 | abrotman | NatashaM: ask #knoppix or ##linux |
| 00:12.43 | kgoetz | NatashaM: please leave here. your quesstion is not relevent to debian |
| 00:12.56 | extor | I wish a newer knoppix would come out with a later kernel |
| 00:13.07 | NatashaM | kgoetz i do leave when i want |
| 00:13.13 | extor | assuming of course that knoppix is debian |
| 00:13.22 | extor | If it is not, then I never wished for that in this channel |
| 00:13.23 | abrotman | extor: it is NOT |
| 00:13.32 | extor | I retract then |
| 00:13.50 | Masqy | :) |
| 00:13.59 | kgoetz | !based on debian |
| 00:13.59 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 00:14.23 | NatashaM | kgoetz you are a shame for the debian community |
| 00:14.27 | NatashaM | you asshole |
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| 00:14.34 | abrotman | saves me the work |
| 00:14.48 | kgoetz | i should care, but i dont. |
| 00:14.55 | kgoetz | (to NM, not abrotman ;)) |
| 00:15.14 | themill | !sunday |
| 00:15.14 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:15.28 | karmatronic | kgoetz: you shouldnt even care :) |
| 00:15.56 | kgoetz | karmatronic: :) |
| 00:16.01 | SerajewelKS | is there a build of the php5 gmp module for stable? |
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| 00:16.53 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: packages.debian.org says no |
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| 00:17.25 | Masqy | Why isn't it possible to use the old ipw3945 driver on a 2.6.24-1 kernel? |
| 00:17.53 | abrotman | AFAIK .. the iwlwifi supercedes it |
| 00:18.53 | h3xis | Masqy, while i have no answer to your question, there's really no need to since ipw3945 support is included in 24 |
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| 00:20.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: yeah i know, i wasn't sure if there was some unofficial package for stable |
| 00:20.38 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i really don't want to upgrade this box to testing to use gmp |
| 00:20.52 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: simple sid backport ? |
| 00:20.53 | themill | h3xis: you mean iwl3945 not ipw3945 |
| 00:21.00 | h3xis | themill, yeah :p |
| 00:21.06 | themill | ;) |
| 00:21.08 | LimCore | is there a solution to have certain programs being run always with a nice level? |
| 00:21.32 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: well this is a 'net-facing box, i'd like to know that what i'm using is supported for security |
| 00:21.43 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: cry? |
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| 00:22.07 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i prefer breaking physical objects, but whatever works for you :) |
| 00:22.15 | h3xis | does iwl3945 still create 2 interfaces in debian? a while back i ran 2.6.24 and it would create a wlan0_rename or something that was not needed |
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| 00:23.03 | themill | h3xis: it creates wmaster0 as well, yes. The wlan0_rename interface is a beast left over because you used to use ipw3945. |
| 00:23.13 | karmatronic | am i the only one that noticed that automatic partitioning sucks in debian ? |
| 00:23.17 | themill | h3xis: (it would just be wlan0 not wlan0_rename otherwise) |
| 00:23.30 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i don't suppose there is a security-supported backport of php |
| 00:23.46 | Masqy | Good howtos for kernel compilation? |
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| 00:23.54 | abrotman | !tell Masqy about kp |
| 00:23.58 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i really really doubt it |
| 00:23.59 | n0n3 | wenas |
| 00:24.12 | h3xis | themill, so, when you say it's there because i used to use ipw3945 how do i tell it to not create wlan0_rename |
| 00:24.15 | n0n3 | hello what is the spanish channel? |
| 00:24.20 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:24.20 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:24.25 | stew | the wlan0_rename is a product of udev trying to rename two interfaces with the same MAC address to the same interace name and failing |
| 00:24.28 | themill | !tell h3xis about z25 |
| 00:24.28 | stew | afaik |
| 00:25.31 | themill | stew: yeah, that's about right.... (and we're seeing more and more of it as people are moving to iwlwifi.... pity network-manager borks on the wlan0_rename interface) |
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| 00:27.31 | StyXman | is there any way to list the blocks marked as bad in a ext2/3 fs? |
| 00:27.55 | karmatronic | thinks totem-xine is the clue for video preview in gnome... |
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| 00:29.09 | StyXman | I mean, I ran fsck.ext3 -c, and now I want to be sure they're marked as bad |
| 00:31.19 | Bushmills | StyXman: smartctl should have an option to dump the bad blocks table |
| 00:32.41 | StyXman | Bushmills: yah, but I want to be sure the blocks are marked as unusable by the filesystem, ext3 in this case |
| 00:32.47 | karmatronic | now knowa totem-xine is the clue for video preview in gnome :) |
| 00:33.51 | abrotman | StyXman: maybe dump2fs ? |
| 00:33.57 | Joelito | what IDE do you recommend to use in etch for C# developments? I try monodevelop but I need another alternatives |
| 00:33.58 | Bushmills | yes. therefore you would look at that dump. |
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| 00:34.19 | Bushmills | whether the blocks which have just been marked are in it |
| 00:34.24 | abrotman | Joelito: apt-cache search C# ? |
| 00:34.51 | themill | Joelito: kdevelop can do c#, I believe. |
| 00:35.02 | StyXman | ah, dumpfs |
| 00:35.14 | StyXman | I only found tune2fs |
| 00:35.20 | Joelito | themill: kdevelop in C#? Never looked that deep :\ |
| 00:35.33 | usar | Joelito: emacs? :) ( http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/CSharpMode ) |
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| 00:36.04 | netdaemon | c# scares me |
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| 00:42.15 | Masqy | off to catch some zeds... night all. Thanks for your help.. gonna try again tomorrow. |
| 00:43.40 | StyXman | abrotman: yah, that was it. tx |
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| 00:48.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: weird, the source package for php5 in etch doesn't specify --with-gmp in the configure options, but gmp *is* in debian/modulelist, which is used to generate the php5-$MODULE packages |
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| 00:49.26 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: maybe they yanked it because of bugs? |
| 00:49.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no clue, seems unlikely to me |
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| 00:56.46 | Richo | anyone here using the iinet mirror? |
| 00:56.58 | Penix | probably |
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| 01:04.02 | atp | hi folks. i've been using debian since the potato days, and all that time i've been compiling my own kernel. well, these days, i don't really have time to do that sort of thing, and 2.6's idea of stable is a bit different than 2.4 or 2.2, so i'd like to migrate to stock kernels. i'm running sid. what would be the best way to do this? |
| 01:05.16 | abrotman | atp: sid only has a 2.6.24 currentl |
| 01:05.18 | abrotman | y |
| 01:05.37 | atp | abrotman: well, i'm running .21, so that would be an upgrade :) |
| 01:05.59 | atp | abrotman: i'm quite behind on kernels, i just don't have the time to update them anymore, i work like 14 hours a day :( |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | new job! |
| 01:06.26 | abrotman | unless you compile kernels for a living |
| 01:06.53 | atp | the thing is, when i first started using debian, everyone compiled their own kernels, so i never familiarized myself with how the stock kernel system worked |
| 01:06.55 | Richo | i'm getting md5 mismatches on sources for lenny (main, contrib, non-free) from the iinet mirror.. anyone else getting this? |
| 01:07.12 | abrotman | Richo: try another mirror |
| 01:07.59 | Richo | abrotman: ok, should i be reporting this to the ISP or something? (i've tried it enough times to rule out transmission errors) which i'm presuming means their copy is corrupt. |
| 01:08.11 | abrotman | Richo: might just be a bad sync |
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| 01:09.05 | Richo | abrotman: that's what i meant, their version got corrupt in transit. ok, thanks abrotman |
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| 01:12.44 | wd | abrotman: thanks for the help last week. |
| 01:12.51 | wd | any ex gentoo users? |
| 01:13.15 | wd | excuse me.... any ex-gentoo users who switch to debian? |
| 01:13.23 | Penix | wd: most likely. ask a proper question |
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| 01:13.41 | wd | Penix: thank you. |
| 01:13.52 | salvin | wd, me |
| 01:14.12 | wd | salvin: thank you... performance diff? |
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| 01:14.20 | Penix | *sigh* |
| 01:14.32 | abrotman | !gentoosmite wd |
| 01:14.32 | dpkg | spends 6 days recompiling wd, and when it's all done, wd runs no faster than previously |
| 01:14.36 | Penix | optimeyze lolz kthx! |
| 01:14.44 | wd | abrotman: don't do me like that. |
| 01:14.50 | Penix | he did you like that |
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| 01:15.48 | charzero | After upgrading to the latest 2.6 kernel in Lenny, my cpu utilization meter stopped working. Is there a module I have to load? |
| 01:16.16 | Penix | what 'cpu utilization meter'? |
| 01:16.25 | wd | abrotman: why? i thought we were pals? |
| 01:16.26 | wd | lol |
| 01:16.51 | charzero | Penix: Provided by my window manager (e17). I'm not sure from where it reads the data. |
| 01:16.54 | wd | abrotman: getting sick of compiling. help. lol |
| 01:17.04 | abrotman | wd: what do you need help with? |
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| 01:17.54 | wd | abrotman: i wanna come back... lol... but afraid of missing out "optimization" lol |
| 01:18.02 | salvin | charzero, the command "top" works correctly? |
| 01:18.04 | Penix | wd: you're not gaining anything from it anyway |
| 01:18.09 | Penix | wd: it's all in your head |
| 01:18.13 | wd | abrotman: by the way i got the powerbook 1400c going great with sarge ppc.. |
| 01:18.18 | abrotman | wd: realistically .. you were getting 0.02342342342% increase .. |
| 01:18.18 | charzero | Penix: I ask because after the same upgrade, I had to put a bunch of modules in /etc/modules to get the cpu speed to work again (apparently they were loaded automatically before?) (acpi-cpufreq,cpufreq_*) |
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| 01:18.26 | Penix | wd: and if you want a placebo, use apt-build |
| 01:18.27 | wd | Penix: how dare you? lol |
| 01:18.33 | charzero | salvin: Yes, top works correctly. |
| 01:18.36 | wd | abrotman: haha |
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| 01:19.06 | salvin | charzero, upgrade e17 |
| 01:19.20 | Penix | or just check their bug database or mailing lists |
| 01:19.21 | wd | ok guys. ok. |
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| 01:20.46 | Richo | wd: you'll need to rebuild e17. there's a pair of scipts on my site that do it more or less themselves |
| 01:20.55 | Penix | wrong person |
| 01:21.06 | Richo | you just need to hash out the lines in the download script you don't want to build.. oops really? stupid tab complete |
| 01:21.45 | salvin | Richo, better than easy_e17.sh? |
| 01:22.17 | Penix | or you could just use the e17 debs |
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| 01:22.47 | Richo | salvin: not yet, the latest version n of my script doesn't require sudo though (i hate sudo) |
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| 01:23.24 | Richo | salvin: the one that's hosted is just a series of cvs grabs, and then a script that builds all of the cvs grabs, the shhiny python one is broken atm |
| 01:23.49 | salvin | Richo, i use easy_e17 without sudo |
| 01:23.56 | salvin | as root :P |
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| 01:24.46 | killown | what the best debian version? |
| 01:25.13 | salvin | killown, sid! |
| 01:25.19 | wd | salvin: be honest. how many times did u turn on the "old" box since debian.. i'm here to switch..i got my old world mac going with sarge, thinking about formating gentoo hd.. lol i'm liking debian. |
| 01:25.20 | salvin | lol |
| 01:25.29 | ymorin | killown, the one not release yet |
| 01:25.42 | killown | testing lening? |
| 01:25.53 | salvin | flaming |
| 01:26.07 | Penix | !best |
| 01:26.07 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 01:26.11 | killown | its a not joke man |
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| 01:26.23 | Penix | killown: use etch. we'll help you with any problems you have if you're using etch |
| 01:26.23 | ymorin | this is why we improve debian every day... |
| 01:26.25 | killown | best version? |
| 01:26.32 | abrotman | killown: it depends on what you want in your system |
| 01:26.33 | killown | version = definition |
| 01:26.36 | killown | ok? |
| 01:26.39 | Penix | killown: no |
| 01:26.56 | killown | abrotman, stable system with gnome 2.22 |
| 01:27.02 | abrotman | killown: no such thing |
| 01:27.09 | killown | hm |
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| 01:27.14 | abrotman | gnome 2.22 has been out what .. 10 days? |
| 01:27.35 | Penix | .20's probably only just settled in sid |
| 01:28.11 | killown | abrotman, what the version do you use? |
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| 01:28.45 | abrotman | lenny |
| 01:28.52 | killown | testing? |
| 01:28.57 | abrotman | lenny |
| 01:29.02 | abrotman | !info gnome-session lenny |
| 01:29.03 | salvin | wd, debian is better than gentoo, for everything |
| 01:29.06 | dpkg | gnome-session: (The GNOME 2 Session Manager), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.3-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 572 kB, Installed size: 1980 kB |
| 01:29.12 | abrotman | !info gnome-panel lenny |
| 01:29.14 | dpkg | gnome-panel: (launcher and docking facility for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 2.20.3-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 446 kB, Installed size: 988 kB |
| 01:29.17 | abrotman | gives up |
| 01:29.23 | killown | lol |
| 01:29.24 | abrotman | parts of .22 are in lenny |
| 01:29.51 | killown | abrotman, I want only a stable system |
| 01:30.09 | killown | I can install xfce4.... |
| 01:30.09 | abrotman | etch has gnome 2.14 |
| 01:30.16 | Penix | killown: install etch then |
| 01:30.25 | Penix | !info xfwm4 etch |
| 01:30.31 | dpkg | xfwm4: (window manager of the Xfce project), section x11, is optional. Version: 4.3.99.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 1330 kB, Installed size: 7200 kB |
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| 01:30.50 | wd | salvin: oooooh. salvin. how could u. lol. help wise i see that. the fact that debian cared enough for the old world ppc nubus people tells me alot. but everything? optimization? cflags? you know. |
| 01:30.52 | killown | 4.3 is an old version |
| 01:30.55 | omry | hi. upgrading my kernel, and I used m-a to build lirc sources packages. when I modprob lirc_serial I get this in the syslog: Mar 31 04:29:25 home kernel: sysfs: duplicate filename 'lirc_serial.0' can not be created |
| 01:30.57 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 01:31.17 | Penix | killown: so? what does the final 4.4.0 release have that a pre 4.4 package doesn't have? |
| 01:31.48 | killown | 4.4.2 |
| 01:32.13 | Penix | wd: doing any of that is a waste of time in general, let alone on an oldworld ppc |
| 01:32.31 | Penix | killown: what? |
| 01:32.43 | wd | Penix: i know but i rather have linux than mac os 7.6. |
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| 01:32.58 | wd | Penix: especially with new apps. |
| 01:33.02 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 01:33.07 | Penix | wd: then install debian and use it. there's absolutely no need for optimizing anything on a system like that |
| 01:33.16 | abrotman | slow is still slow :) |
| 01:33.16 | Penix | it's not gonna do *anything* for you |
| 01:33.22 | uzbek | how can i update my clock, it didn't change after day light saving was over |
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| 01:33.34 | wd | Penix: i wasn't refering to that system.. my beast. |
| 01:33.53 | Penix | wd: waste of time with any system |
| 01:34.11 | wd | sighs |
| 01:34.12 | Penix | but, like I said, use apt-build if you wanna make yourself feel better |
| 01:34.19 | wd | Penix: how could you? |
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| 01:34.25 | wd | Penix: how is that? |
| 01:34.32 | Penix | wtf are you talking about? |
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| 01:34.51 | wd | Penix: wtf are you cursing for? |
| 01:35.02 | wd | abrotman: what is up with this gentleman? |
| 01:35.16 | Penix | bleh. I'm over morons |
| 01:35.27 | wd | me too |
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| 01:35.40 | abrotman | wd: he's correct, you'll spend hours compiling for minimal to zero benefit |
| 01:36.14 | wd | abrotman: since "you" said it. ok. |
| 01:36.20 | wd | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 01:36.36 | wd | abrotman: is there anyway to optimize debian? |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman | wd: do you have an extra HDD for that system? |
| 01:36.43 | wd | abrotman: yes |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman | wd: i'd try etch .. but it's really up to you .. or ask the Debian PPC guys if it should work |
| 01:37.09 | Azaze[l] | Hi...good night :) i have a problem with my wireless :( it isn't work :S |
| 01:37.11 | abrotman | wd: i'm not sure what you want to optimize |
| 01:37.23 | abrotman | Azaze[l]: need more details |
| 01:37.34 | wd | abrotman: i have a new box, a little beast with gentoo.. was going to wipe hd and start anew with deb.. but wanted facts. |
| 01:37.53 | abrotman | wd: you can try them both .. you can even dual boot! |
| 01:38.08 | Azaze[l] | thanks my pc is a Travelmate 2450...my card is ATHEROS AR5007EG |
| 01:38.40 | uzbek | my time zone is Europe/Kiev and it should automaticly update after day light saving was changed but it didn't. i wonder what went wrong. how can correct this? |
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| 01:38.45 | wd | abrotman: i'll do that i was hoping someone here benchmarked already.. thats what i was getting to.. but i pissed off "you know who" |
| 01:38.51 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:38.51 | dpkg | [ppc] is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
| 01:39.09 | Azaze[l] | abrotman, i tried with ndiswrapper but ...send me this: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
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| 01:39.19 | abrotman | Azaze[l]: what is the chipset of your wifi ? |
| 01:39.24 | abrotman | and which version of debian? |
| 01:39.24 | SerajewelKS | does lenny get DSAs? |
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| 01:40.17 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: oh ya, btw the reason that gmp was in the module list is because i did apt-get source without specifying the repository, so i got the sid source package :) |
| 01:40.21 | Azaze[l] | abrotman, sorry im a new user :P where can i find the chipset? :S |
| 01:40.28 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: hehe |
| 01:40.31 | abrotman | Azaze[l]: google ? |
| 01:40.38 | Azaze[l] | jo sorry |
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| 01:42.56 | Azaze[l] | i think...is Atheros AR5007EG Chipset AR2425wireless |
| 01:44.12 | abrotman | doesn't hte madwifi work with that? |
| 01:44.19 | Azaze[l] | my card...with lspci : 09:02.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5005G 802.11abg NIC |
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| 01:44.59 | SerajewelKS | heh, there isn't even a php5-gmp backport |
| 01:45.03 | Azaze[l] | in ubuntu i tried with madwifi...but did not work :S |
| 01:45.16 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 01:45.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 01:45.18 | Azaze[l] | only with ndiswrapper |
| 01:45.51 | omry | I am trying to install lirc on 2.6.24, I did m-a a-i lirc-modules-source, and then dpkg -i the resulting deb. when I try to modprobe lirc_serial I get no error, but a bunch of errors into syslog, any idea? http://yadan.net/omry/lirc_serial.txt |
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| 01:46.29 | Azaze[l] | abrotman, but with ndiswrapper send this: FATAL: Module ndiswrapper not found. |
| 01:46.29 | Azaze[l] | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.44 | abrotman | Azaze[l]: you have to create it .. |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | !tell Azaze[l] about ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 01:48.29 | minerale | how do I change the text that is displayed when one logs in? |
| 01:48.36 | Azaze[l] | ok abrotman apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper Is it correct? o.O |
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| 01:49.09 | abrotman | Azaze[l]: you'll need to edit your sources first .. but yes that will do it |
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| 01:51.31 | Azaze[l] | abrotman, in my sources... :s what is the "source" for that? :s |
| 01:52.03 | abrotman | Azaze[l]: you'll need contrib and non-free sources |
| 01:52.18 | abrotman | Azaze[l]: are you using kde or something graphical ? |
| 01:52.26 | Azaze[l] | gnome |
| 01:52.51 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: and simple sid backport won't work well, since it depends on stuff not in stable -- so i'd back to backport those too, and i'm not really in the mood to crawl sid dependencies to build php |
| 01:52.52 | abrotman | Azaze[l]: and something like syntapic ? |
| 01:52.55 | abrotman | synaptic |
| 01:53.15 | Azaze[l] | yeah i am there... ^_^ |
| 01:53.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: stuff should just magically work without me having to do anything! like in windows! oh, wait... |
| 01:53.33 | abrotman | Azaze[l]: so enable contrib and non-free |
| 01:53.51 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: does this module make eggs? |
| 01:54.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: is that a joke that i'm not getting? |
| 01:54.22 | pgpkeys | or at least toast? ;) |
| 01:54.23 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i'm just wondering what makes it so good |
| 01:54.59 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's some fast big-integer library |
| 01:55.25 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: the big-number library in php is floating point, which makes some operations amazingly slow (on the order of 100 times as long) when using openid |
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| 01:56.21 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: throw hardware at it? :) |
| 01:56.37 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: can't do that remotely :) |
| 01:56.56 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:56.57 | SerajewelKS | or on the "hobby" + "university" budget |
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| 02:10.00 | jetscreamer | stfu |
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| 02:11.22 | starnix17 | are there any sources.list examples online so I don't have have to go hunting down servers? |
| 02:11.38 | infernal_jesus | starnix17: yes |
| 02:11.43 | starnix17 | where? |
| 02:12.06 | infernal_jesus | starnix17: online |
| 02:12.15 | starnix17 | a url would help..... |
| 02:12.35 | infernal_jesus | starnix17: I'm sure it would... |
| 02:12.37 | infernal_jesus | starnix17: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/examples/sources.list |
| 02:12.39 | infernal_jesus | there you go |
| 02:13.05 | infernal_jesus | also.. |
| 02:13.09 | infernal_jesus | starnix17: http://debian-unofficial.org/ |
| 02:13.12 | starnix17 | that works |
| 02:13.24 | infernal_jesus | that's the unofficial mirror with debian packages |
| 02:13.29 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 02:13.29 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 02:14.08 | jetscreamer | mine is cooler |
| 02:14.29 | abrotman | you're from texas |
| 02:15.09 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.15 | jetscreamer | s/the/The |
| 02:15.16 | jetscreamer | / |
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| 02:15.47 | jetscreamer | i'm still moving btw, even more exciting |
| 02:16.05 | infernal_jesus | United State of Texas? |
| 02:16.26 | jetscreamer | yes, a conquered country |
| 02:16.35 | jetscreamer | invaded by barbarian carpetbaggers |
| 02:17.19 | infernal_jesus | How can one state be united? |
| 02:17.26 | infernal_jesus | I mean, it better be if it's a state |
| 02:17.27 | infernal_jesus | :P |
| 02:17.43 | infernal_jesus | as opposed to being a "Divided State of Texas" |
| 02:17.54 | infernal_jesus | ? |
| 02:17.56 | jetscreamer | united counties of texas just doesn't have the same ring |
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| 02:18.38 | jetscreamer | !seen nyle |
| 02:18.38 | dpkg | nyle <n=stoned@unaffiliated/stoned> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 17d 10h 44m 24s ago, saying: '!debian clone'. |
| 02:18.58 | jetscreamer | you drove him away abrotman, shame on you |
| 02:18.59 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 02:19.13 | infernal_jesus | jetscreamer: it would suck if they weren't united :P |
| 02:19.16 | abrotman | jetscreamer: rahul hasn't been around either .. they may have gotten in trouble |
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| 02:21.51 | jetscreamer | he said he was tired of stuff... i didn't ask for details |
| 02:21.57 | simonrvn | plop plip |
| 02:22.03 | jetscreamer | howdy simonrvn |
| 02:22.13 | jetscreamer | plop plop fizz fizz |
| 02:22.18 | simonrvn | hey there cowboy |
| 02:22.40 | jetscreamer | aren't you the indian? :) |
| 02:22.49 | simonrvn | yup ;) |
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| 02:23.11 | abrotman | jetscreamer: TBH .. don't care .. not missed |
| 02:23.17 | simonrvn | though we don't have cowboys where my people are from |
| 02:23.19 | jetscreamer | abrotman: yes i know |
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| 02:23.35 | abrotman | simonrvn: no .. you don't say ... |
| 02:23.36 | jetscreamer | where is that simonrvn |
| 02:23.46 | simonrvn | abrotman: hehe |
| 02:23.54 | simonrvn | jetscreamer: east coast |
| 02:24.18 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 02:24.57 | infinity0 | can anyone help me with lighttpd? |
| 02:25.03 | infinity0 | mod_alias isn't work for some reason |
| 02:25.12 | infinity0 | even though lighttpd -tp -f shows the correct stuff |
| 02:25.14 | jetscreamer | !smart questions |
| 02:25.14 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 02:25.27 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 02:25.42 | jetscreamer | the enter factoid would have been more appropo |
| 02:25.50 | simonrvn | there's a bug... mod_auth should be first |
| 02:25.52 | infinity0 | everything was working perfectly until i upgraded to 1.4.19 |
| 02:25.57 | infinity0 | mod_auth is first now |
| 02:26.41 | infinity0 | everything was working fine, and everything should be working fine even now - the files exist, lighttpd thinks the config is what it should be thinking, and there's nothing in the errorlog |
| 02:26.46 | jetscreamer | goes back to lifting heavy objects |
| 02:26.55 | simonrvn | but? |
| 02:27.01 | infinity0 | but when i try to access a aliased url it gives me a 404 |
| 02:27.10 | infinity0 | the aliased url is a conditional (remoteip) |
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| 02:27.43 | infinity0 | this is what i have in 10-cgi.conf: |
| 02:27.50 | infinity0 | $HTTP["remoteip"] == "127.0.0.1" { |
| 02:27.50 | infinity0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.50 | infinity0 | etc |
| 02:27.59 | infinity0 | and this is what lighttpd -tp -f outputs: |
| 02:28.14 | simonrvn | hm, ask in #lighttpd ? i'm not as proficient with it as i am with apache |
| 02:28.14 | simonrvn | don't paste here |
| 02:28.21 | infinity0 | k |
| 02:28.36 | simonrvn | unless someone here has more clue? ;) |
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| 02:28.50 | infinity0 | well that's what i was hoping :p |
| 02:29.05 | infinity0 | no-one has answered in #lighttpd yet |
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| 02:29.36 | jetscreamer | !tell infinity0 -about paste |
| 02:29.48 | nvz | woot |
| 02:29.52 | starnix17 | has anyone ever gotten "Segmentation faultsts... 62%" an error like that from apt before? |
| 02:30.05 | nvz | teh linux box iz back 0nl1ne |
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| 02:30.20 | jetscreamer | it was on 62% and had a little segfault maybe |
| 02:30.33 | nevyn | dpkg lolcats? |
| 02:30.33 | dpkg | from memory, lolcats is http://icanhascheezburger.com/?random, or see listkeys lolcat |
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| 02:30.56 | nvz | I've got the vista laptop barely hanging onto my cousin's wifi signal down the hill and wired into this router :) |
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| 02:31.23 | nvz | I need to get a decent and cheap wifi card for my linux desktop, cause I gotta give this laptop back soon |
| 02:31.32 | infinity0 | http://paste.debian.net/52203 - k, this is the relevnat part of what lighttpd -tp -f outputs |
| 02:31.38 | infinity0 | as you can see, it's thinking what it should be thinking |
| 02:31.46 | nvz | or if cheaper and easier just a router I can hook to another router with |
| 02:31.56 | infinity0 | ie. remoteip 127.0.0.1 has /doc/ aliased to /usr/share/doc etc |
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| 02:32.07 | simonrvn | well that 404 should be getting spat out in the log... |
| 02:32.08 | infinity0 | but when i try to access 127.0.0.1/doc/ it gives me 404 |
| 02:32.17 | infinity0 | error.log says nothing either :/ |
| 02:32.30 | infinity0 | access.log is showing the 404s though |
| 02:32.33 | simonrvn | up the loglevel |
| 02:33.26 | nvz | oh well I'll shut up now I guess :P I did find a nice cantenna on ebay but I dont know about getting a wifi card that will work without a headache |
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| 02:33.56 | simonrvn | nvz: well i'm glad you fixed it |
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| 02:35.01 | nvz | simonrvn: I'm back in morgantown doing a little roofing, and at the moment I'm staying in a huge unfinished house up on a hill and got a section of the loft sectioned off with plastic and got a half-assed network going on |
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| 02:35.26 | nvz | I all I got is electric in here with a single circuit breaker.. heh |
| 02:35.31 | simonrvn | hehe neat |
| 02:35.47 | nvz | I'm surprised I havent blown the breaker |
| 02:35.56 | nvz | I figure its only a 30amp at most |
| 02:36.08 | infinity0 | simonrvn: oh, i figured out what the problem was |
| 02:36.11 | simonrvn | it's just a lappy, right? why would it? |
| 02:36.17 | simonrvn | infinity0: \o/ |
| 02:36.17 | infinity0 | remoteip doesn't work properly when ipv6 is used :| |
| 02:36.26 | infinity0 | i disabled ipv6 and everything was fine |
| 02:36.27 | simonrvn | ah |
| 02:36.43 | nvz | I got a ceramic heater, electric blanket, torpeado heater, laptop, and desktop w/ 17" lcd hooked up |
| 02:36.56 | Phisbut | Hello people, I got a simple question... do apt-get and synaptic use the same repo conf files and the same cache to determine dependencies and such? |
| 02:37.13 | elik | Phisbut, yes |
| 02:37.15 | simonrvn | it wouldn't blow on that, except maybe running all of it at the same time ;p |
| 02:37.27 | elik | Phisbut, you configure it in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:38.01 | nvz | yeah well they all were running at once.. I'd figure the ceramic heater is 10-15amps alone and all the lights and everything are all on one circuit right now |
| 02:38.10 | infinity0 | hmph, time to file a bug report i guess |
| 02:38.29 | simonrvn | came back from fucking around on a winxp machine *UGH*... I'M SO GLAD TO BE BACK ON MY DEBIAN BOX |
| 02:38.45 | abrotman | !beer simonrvn |
| 02:38.45 | dpkg | pours a pint of Gulden Drak for simonrvn |
| 02:38.52 | nvz | we just got a long orange extension cord stapled across the ceiling downstairs with sections stripped off and light sockets hanging from it. and thats what's powering most my operation here.. heh |
| 02:38.55 | Phisbut | what is odd, is that if I use synaptic to try and upgrade my linux kernel (linux-image-2.6-686), it just upgrades it and there are no dependencies, if I use a console and type "sudo apt-get upgrade linux-image-2.6-686", it wants to upgrade about 50 packages and says "Need to get 131MB of archives"... why don't they both consider the same dependencies? |
| 02:38.57 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 02:39.14 | simonrvn | nvz: hehe, reminds me of home ;p |
| 02:39.23 | victo- | I just upgraded my kernel from 2.6.22-3 to 2.6.24-1 (dist-upgrade in lenny) but for some reason the .24 kernel doesn't boot (It either hangs after "waiting for dev to be fully populated...done" or will get to the login prompt and won't let me login (i can type in username/password but it just hangs). What error logs should I be looking at to debug this? |
| 02:39.28 | simonrvn | j/k |
| 02:39.30 | nvz | thats only a 15a cord I am sure.. though I got the torpedo heater and electric blanket on a much larger cord but still its on the same outlet |
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| 02:40.08 | simonrvn | would probably trip if you had all of them up to max |
| 02:41.32 | nvz | I kinda wish it was my house this place is huge.. like 60ft by like 36ft 3 story house, the top floor is gonna be one big bedroom with several dormers comming off the roof its nice |
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| 02:41.49 | simonrvn | wow |
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| 02:41.58 | simonrvn | that's a big place |
| 02:42.10 | simonrvn | 2-3 families comfortably ;) |
| 02:42.13 | nvz | yeah its only sitting on maybe 1 1/2 of the 3 lots |
| 02:42.52 | elik | Phisbut, what kind of packages come up with the apt-get? are you sure they are all dependencies? or they are just being upgraded? |
| 02:43.08 | Phisbut | hmmm... they are being upgraded... |
| 02:43.30 | Phisbut | is there any way to have apt-get not upgrade them while installing the kernel? |
| 02:43.34 | simonrvn | ooo update finally came through... waiting on the sun java stuff now |
| 02:43.43 | bwlang | i'd like to kill a little time... what's a good game (i liked starcraft back in the day) |
| 02:43.44 | nvz | there's a camper out back I could stay in and heat a lot cheaper, but I get much better internet signal up here, that camper would totally kill my signal |
| 02:43.55 | nvz | heh |
| 02:44.04 | simonrvn | probably too much metal |
| 02:44.13 | nvz | what I'm not paying for in internet right now I'm paying for in kerosene |
| 02:44.18 | simonrvn | ..even if it is just a tin can ;p |
| 02:44.21 | stew | Phisbut: you can either put package on hold. or even better, learn to use the aptitude frontend, which gives you much more control |
| 02:44.50 | nvz | not only that its like a good 30ft or more lower in elevation.. I am way too far away to pick up his signal if I wasn't up over the houses below me |
| 02:44.50 | simonrvn | votes for door #2 |
| 02:45.25 | nvz | the laptop gets 1 bar of signal if I keep it over in the very corner of the house |
| 02:45.31 | Phisbut | k, thanks, I'll read on aptitude |
| 02:45.44 | nvz | which is why I just hooked up the router and desktop so I don't have to sit in the rafters.. heh |
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| 02:46.05 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:46.08 | abrotman | jetscreamer: happy now? |
| 02:46.20 | Nyle | hello hello |
| 02:46.25 | Nyle | Good evening gang |
| 02:46.28 | simonrvn | hi |
| 02:46.34 | simonrvn | abrotman: wot? |
| 02:46.43 | nvz | g'evening Nyle |
| 02:46.43 | Nyle | jetscreamer, sup |
| 02:46.55 | Nyle | *nod* |
| 02:47.42 | nvz | cranks up the heater since he's sitting at the pc and got the electric blanket acting as electric carpet right now.. heh |
| 02:47.50 | Nyle | ever since I stopped coming online I play more guitar and get better. Soon you shall be hearing of the world greatest metal ever written |
| 02:47.56 | simonrvn | pull the corners eh |
| 02:48.06 | Nyle | electric blankets are dangerous |
| 02:48.10 | Nyle | I don't trust them |
| 02:48.30 | Nyle | imo they are dangerous, because I am paranoid |
| 02:48.35 | simonrvn | Nyle: cool man, good to have an outlet ;) |
| 02:48.37 | nvz | yeah well apparently this one needs two cords |
| 02:48.44 | nevyn | my wife is the daughter of a firefighter... we own 0 electric blankets. |
| 02:48.50 | nvz | its got two plugs and the unit only has on cord |
| 02:49.12 | nvz | so apparently he gave me an electric blanket but only enough electronics to power half of it |
| 02:49.17 | Nyle | simonrvn, I'm trying hard to get a band together and get a gig in manhattan |
| 02:49.25 | simonrvn | Nyle: nice |
| 02:49.53 | Nyle | and i have not smoked any pot in 2 weeks |
| 02:49.53 | Nyle | ! |
| 02:49.58 | Nyle | at all! |
| 02:50.05 | Supaplex | now you're pulling our leg |
| 02:50.05 | nvz | hah, why not? |
| 02:50.06 | Nyle | pats himself in the back |
| 02:50.07 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 02:50.11 | craigevil | that has to be a record for you |
| 02:50.21 | nvz | I'll smoke some for ya :- |
| 02:50.23 | Nyle | im trying to grow up, man |
| 02:50.30 | nvz | hah, good luck with thaq |
| 02:50.38 | Nyle | I realized im now 27, I gotta finish this shit up and get married before her parents decide against me |
| 02:50.38 | simonrvn | Nyle: woot :) |
| 02:50.49 | Nyle | 3 more years and i'll be 30, I don't wanna still be a kid |
| 02:51.09 | nvz | reminds me of daniel tosh's comedy show.. he said he doesn't smoke weed cause he's not in 7th grade and got things to do, grow up and do cocain like a real man |
| 02:51.30 | simonrvn | heh, weird |
| 02:51.35 | nvz | I know plenty of people well over 30 that get high every day |
| 02:51.36 | Nyle | unfunny |
| 02:51.52 | Nyle | nvz, they proabably found the balance in life they were looking for |
| 02:51.54 | infernal_jesus | funnest thing is installing linux high |
| 02:51.56 | Nyle | I have not yet found mine |
| 02:52.02 | Nyle | actually |
| 02:52.03 | Nyle | no |
| 02:52.06 | Nyle | its using while high |
| 02:52.09 | infernal_jesus | and then looking at it the next day and going "I must've been high!" |
| 02:52.11 | nevyn | will be 30 this year. disturbing. |
| 02:52.12 | nvz | only you can say what you are addicted to and whats effecting your life |
| 02:52.17 | Nyle | I've logged into the wrong box many times and done shit I regret later |
| 02:52.18 | Nyle | :( |
| 02:52.21 | wwasher_ | bah! kids! |
| 02:52.24 | wwasher_ | ;) |
| 02:52.27 | simonrvn | now i feel old |
| 02:52.36 | nvz | I've always thought with your condition you had a much better reason to be blazin than mee |
| 02:52.45 | Nyle | my considtion? |
| 02:52.50 | Nyle | what condition? |
| 02:52.52 | simonrvn | thoughi'm just 35 ;) |
| 02:53.02 | nvz | I thought you said you had a chronic pain problem? |
| 02:53.03 | Nyle | simonrvn, you are my sis's age |
| 02:53.04 | Nyle | hah |
| 02:53.10 | Nyle | nvz, yeh |
| 02:53.35 | Nyle | they made me take 2x 80mg oxy contin since I was 12, talk about a zombified life |
| 02:53.42 | Nyle | I quit takin meds when I Was 16 though |
| 02:53.44 | nvz | heh |
| 02:53.48 | infernal_jesus | Nyle: weed's a better pain killer :) |
| 02:53.56 | Nyle | nah, just deal with the pain fuc it |
| 02:54.01 | nvz | well with enough pain you can get nautious |
| 02:54.08 | nvz | and weed definatly helps that |
| 02:54.08 | infernal_jesus | then get vicodin :P |
| 02:54.15 | Nyle | I don't do drugs |
| 02:54.21 | Nyle | my only vice was pot, and now im gettin over it |
| 02:54.22 | infernal_jesus | why would you deal with pain when you can do something to help it |
| 02:54.29 | infernal_jesus | it's not a vice per se :P |
| 02:54.30 | Supaplex | simonrvn: ravenbird's yours right? if so please fix his 'who owns you'. simonraven != simonrvn (couldn't find you the other day) |
| 02:54.36 | Nyle | per se |
| 02:54.39 | nvz | I just met a girl the other day that was trying to offer me speed as soon as I met her.. heh.. |
| 02:54.48 | nvz | I said no, but it was funny as hell |
| 02:54.50 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 02:54.55 | Nyle | nvz, you're in redneck land no doub? |
| 02:54.57 | Nyle | doubt? |
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| 02:55.02 | nvz | yep |
| 02:55.05 | Nyle | thought so |
| 02:55.13 | nvz | dub-vee-uue |
| 02:55.15 | Nyle | speed is THE all american drug |
| 02:55.18 | nvz | as they say |
| 02:55.23 | nvz | motown |
| 02:55.27 | Nyle | redbull |
| 02:55.31 | Nyle | energy drink |
| 02:55.34 | Nyle | starbucks |
| 02:55.37 | simonrvn | fixeded |
| 02:55.43 | nvz | the eastern motown anyhow.. not the mid-west motown |
| 02:55.43 | Nyle | and narcotics you name it, speed is america |
| 02:56.12 | Nyle | I wanted to move but i can 't leav e nyc now |
| 02:56.20 | Supaplex | simonrvn: yay. thanks :) btw, have you toyed with multiple instances and/or ipv6? |
| 02:56.21 | Nyle | otherwise i have to file change of address in immigration |
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| 02:56.25 | Nyle | argh. |
| 02:56.41 | Nyle | motown blues |
| 02:56.58 | simonrvn | Supaplex: yeh, the former (and the latter, but i'm rusty on #2) |
| 02:57.31 | nvz | honestly I just smoked weed, but I stopped doing it at work a long time ago.. when I am working down here all these guys do from the time they get up is smoke.. he probably smokes 5 bowls at home then 5 or more on the way to the job site.. and all through the day |
| 02:57.40 | nvz | weed doesn't do shit for me at work but make me tired |
| 02:57.49 | infernal_jesus | sucks |
| 02:57.53 | infernal_jesus | weed makes me wanna do stuff |
| 02:57.59 | Nyle | I don't find enjoyment in it anymore |
| 02:58.09 | Nyle | I didn't stop beucae for some ungodly reason i had to |
| 02:58.11 | Nyle | no |
| 02:58.11 | infernal_jesus | neither do I, I quit months ago :) |
| 02:58.12 | nvz | I definatly don't need to be high when I'm roofing.. I'm already high enough and not trying to fall off the roof |
| 02:58.22 | Nyle | haha |
| 02:58.37 | Nyle | I deliver pizza part time and make a few grand a month |
| 02:58.44 | Supaplex | ties nvz to a kite and flys one |
| 02:58.46 | nvz | gravity is serious shit and the ground gets harder the farther up you go |
| 02:58.48 | infernal_jesus | I quit, and then I did it after a few months to see if I still need it, and I had a bad experience, and that was my sign to stop :P |
| 02:58.53 | Nyle | people tip good in nyc |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | okay .. seriously .. this is not #weed ... |
| 02:59.01 | infernal_jesus | nvz: but if you're high you probably wouldn't feel it :P |
| 02:59.10 | nvz | I doubt that |
| 02:59.20 | nvz | I might laugh but if I'm still concious |
| 02:59.24 | Nyle | and during the day I advertise and do onsite pc repair |
| 02:59.25 | nvz | but its still gonna hurt |
| 02:59.44 | Nyle | I don't think I'm the kind of person who can work for someone else |
| 02:59.45 | nvz | I fell down the stairs today .. and laughed when I realized I wasnt dead |
| 02:59.56 | Nyle | even if its my job, but if someone asks me to do something, it pisses me off |
| 03:00.02 | Nyle | I just can't stand people telling me to do shit |
| 03:00.12 | Nyle | so I'm gonna be my own company |
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| 03:00.41 | simonrvn | Nyle: that's what i thought you were doing, offline, taking care of that |
| 03:00.43 | Nyle | life is finally starting to get comfortable |
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| 03:00.54 | Nyle | simonrvn, oh yeh, i do |
| 03:01.04 | Nyle | i use past/present/future tense all in one go |
| 03:01.08 | libervisco | Hi |
| 03:01.10 | Nyle | i could be very confusing at times |
| 03:01.12 | Nyle | libervisco, hi |
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| 03:01.23 | simonrvn | well, i'm happy for you |
| 03:01.29 | Nyle | thank you |
| 03:01.31 | nvz | I thought for sure I died.. heh.. the house is unfinished so most stairs are 1/4" or 1/2" plywood two were 2x4 and apparently whoever did that used nails not screws and boards that only long enough to sit on two of three risers so I steppped on the wrong side comming up the stairs with a boxspring for the bed and fell flat on the stairs upside down and slid on my back down onto my head on the landing. |
| 03:01.37 | libervisco | Has anyone experienced a problem with the console darkening? |
| 03:01.45 | Nyle | libervisco, release? |
| 03:01.45 | libervisco | When exiting X |
| 03:01.48 | abrotman | !ot |
| 03:01.48 | dpkg | well, ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 03:01.48 | libervisco | sid |
| 03:01.55 | simonrvn | nvz: ouch |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | libervisco: usually a driver issue .. check the bts |
| 03:02.21 | Nyle | nv is doing this recently I checked |
| 03:02.25 | Nyle | fglrx does it |
| 03:02.27 | libervisco | abrotman: yeah, but the gfx driver for console? |
| 03:02.31 | Nyle | nvidia is fine |
| 03:02.40 | abrotman | libervisco: i've seen it .. it goofs the video card i think .. |
| 03:02.54 | abrotman | libervisco: i haven't had it happen since like 2002 and a matrox card |
| 03:03.11 | Nyle | it only happens with alt+ctrl+backspace |
| 03:03.21 | simonrvn | nvidia driver used to do it to mine |
| 03:03.23 | Nyle | that is if you mean after you exit X it blacks the console |
| 03:03.24 | libervisco | nope, it happens after every exit of X |
| 03:03.29 | nvz | speaking of video cards, I got a 5200fx I could put in here in place of this TNT2, if my old board will handle it, |
| 03:03.32 | Nyle | yeh |
| 03:03.32 | abrotman | Nyle: not blacks .. dims |
| 03:03.40 | libervisco | yeah, dims |
| 03:03.44 | Nyle | oh |
| 03:03.46 | Nyle | ok nm |
| 03:03.50 | Nyle | not the same bug then |
| 03:03.57 | simonrvn | mine would just die, not even black |
| 03:04.00 | nvz | I'd been putting it off until I had internet to d/l the driver cause I doubt the legacy driver for this tnt2 will work on the 5200 |
| 03:04.09 | simonrvn | running startx would fix it o_O |
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| 03:04.19 | libervisco | abrotman: how do you usually fix that? |
| 03:04.22 | simonrvn | nvz: it won't |
| 03:04.31 | Nyle | libervisco, try to use VESA |
| 03:04.41 | Nyle | libervisco, see if it does it with it, just to see |
| 03:04.43 | BrianSteffens | Any channels devoted to DRDB or HA in general? :) |
| 03:04.52 | libervisco | Nyle: ok.. brb |
| 03:04.54 | nvz | I was under the impression nvidia had a single driver package for everything until I used this TNT2 and realized I needed a much older build |
| 03:04.55 | abrotman | libervisco: i never did .. i attributed it to the stupid half-assed HP motherboard |
| 03:05.22 | Nyle | nvz, legacy* |
| 03:05.30 | abrotman | libervisco: which video driver? |
| 03:05.38 | libervisco | abrotman: radeon |
| 03:05.47 | abrotman | libervisco: see if it happens with the vesa driver |
| 03:05.56 | simonrvn | nvz: yeh, 71.86.xx |
| 03:05.59 | libervisco | though it happened to me even in sidux which apparently used vesa by default.. gonna check vesa now.. |
| 03:06.08 | simonrvn | packages are -71xx |
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| 03:06.35 | libervisco | hm, with Driver "vesa" it doesn't happen.. |
| 03:06.39 | libervisco | gonna try "ati" now.. |
| 03:06.46 | Nyle | libervisco, same as radeon, no diff |
| 03:06.54 | Nyle | check ati/radeon xorg driver package for bts bugs |
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| 03:06.59 | Nyle | its a wrapper |
| 03:07.07 | nvz | could you guys recommend a cheap easily debian compatible PCI wifi card? cause I bought DVDs today to backup my crap off this laptop, burn the vista restore cds and restore it, then I gotta be able to get internet without the laptop.. I figure I'll hook a cantenna to the desktop |
| 03:07.07 | abrotman | libervisco: which ati card do you have? |
| 03:07.23 | libervisco | now it happens |
| 03:07.24 | Nyle | nvz, bcm4306 |
| 03:07.38 | Nyle | nvz, er.. nm |
| 03:07.40 | libervisco | abrotman: Radeon X800 |
| 03:07.44 | nvz | I've never done wifi on linux and I sure as hell dont want to have to use ndiswrapper |
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| 03:08.17 | nvz | its hard to tell when you go to a store what to get, so I will probably order it online |
| 03:08.31 | Nyle | nvz, I have a bcm4306/xx patched for injection and it works great under 2.6.18 |
| 03:08.32 | abrotman | nvz: check something like the madwifi website to see what is available |
| 03:08.34 | nvz | nothing but linksys I have ever seen with a penguin on the box |
| 03:08.52 | Nyle | nvz, but try #wireless |
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| 03:09.02 | Nyle | they would know much more i think |
| 03:09.11 | libervisco | Nyle: where is bts (sorry, I'm not a regular Debian user, tried it few times, used sidux for a while, but mostly ubuntu for recent years)? |
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| 03:09.14 | Nyle | !btw |
| 03:09.14 | dpkg | somebody said btw was by the way |
| 03:09.17 | Nyle | goddamn |
| 03:09.19 | Nyle | !bts |
| 03:09.19 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 03:09.26 | abrotman | nvz: there's a website at wikipedia that lists drivers and their status . then check the driver website about cards to buy |
| 03:09.34 | libervisco | Nyle: thanks :) |
| 03:09.39 | Nyle | sure |
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| 03:09.50 | nvz | abrotman: sounds like a plan |
| 03:10.10 | icedtea | nvz: I used a netgear wifi card that worked well with a ubuntu live cd |
| 03:10.18 | nvz | I need to ditch this only AMD AthlonXP system at some point |
| 03:10.21 | Hiryu | what package has the opengl manpages? |
| 03:10.29 | simonrvn | they use non-free stuff... |
| 03:10.31 | nvz | but right now I am looking to just sell the PocketPC and get a newer one |
| 03:10.46 | Nyle | !tell Hiryu -about search |
| 03:10.51 | gearbox | i have a problem... i put a pre-up iptables-restore line in /etc/network/interfaces and that works, however kde will hang every time at the hard disk icon, unless i undo all changes to the interfaces file |
| 03:10.51 | nvz | s/only/old ass/ |
| 03:11.03 | Hiryu | Nyle: I spent 30 minutes doing that already |
| 03:11.10 | Nyle | Hiryu, ok hang on |
| 03:12.05 | Nyle | back |
| 03:12.06 | gearbox | is there a better way to restore-iptables on reboot automatically, i really dont caer how its done |
| 03:12.06 | Nyle | Hiryu, what did you search for? |
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| 03:12.06 | gearbox | kde will hang if i make any changes at all to my network/interfaces |
| 03:12.18 | Hiryu | stuff regarding mesa and opengl |
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| 03:12.33 | Nyle | Hiryu, try to use search opengl|grep doc or search gl|grep doc, or look in the DOC section of the aptitude ncurses gui |
| 03:12.38 | Hiryu | I installed a few things and they didn't have it |
| 03:12.53 | Hiryu | Nyle: I did... I started using debian in 99 |
| 03:13.06 | icedtea | gearbox: make a script a put it in /etc/init.d with links to /etc/rc?.d |
| 03:13.16 | enouf | nvz: i know crapall about wifi, but i hear atheros/madwifi/ralink are the better ones - also check this http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
| 03:13.35 | nvz | yeah I don't know much either |
| 03:13.46 | Nyle | glut-doc - documentation and examples for the OpenGL Utility Toolkit |
| 03:13.55 | nvz | I'm just trying to find a cheap setup where I can get a cantenna hooked to this desktop |
| 03:14.20 | Hiryu | maybe |
| 03:14.21 | Hiryu | lets try it |
| 03:14.21 | Nyle | i dunno man |
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| 03:14.39 | nvz | and it would be nice to have something that can work with kismet.. right now I got plenty of spots I can get on legitimately but I figure by learning to crack wifi I can learn more about it |
| 03:14.53 | Hiryu | nope |
| 03:14.59 | nvz | I got a good ebook on my laptop about wifi security and stuff |
| 03:15.11 | nvz | just don't currently have the tools to read it |
| 03:15.18 | enouf | heh |
| 03:15.22 | nvz | the broadcom in the laptop is useless |
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| 03:16.01 | liable | get a ubiquiti src and hook a cantenna into it. |
| 03:16.03 | nvz | I'm sure with a cantenna on this roof I could get my grandma's wireless way down at the bottom of the hill.. |
| 03:16.31 | nvz | russ's house is two streets down and I'm getting 1 bar right now with just the laptop antenna |
| 03:16.56 | nvz | he's got a half-way decent router though with two antennas |
| 03:17.01 | Hiryu | Nyle: alright I've spent a lot of time doing this... I'll try more later |
| 03:17.10 | wwasher_ | welp, got the gpg key issue figured out; system needs to not be in a time warp and think it is 1990. bleh |
| 03:17.21 | Nyle | http://packages.debian.org/stable/doc/ |
| 03:17.23 | nvz | not having any siding or anything on this house helps |
| 03:17.28 | Nyle | Hiryu, ^^ try there |
| 03:18.23 | Hiryu | they're in xlibmesa-gl-dev for sarge but not etch |
| 03:18.24 | Hiryu | ugh |
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| 03:20.14 | Bushmills | !ext3cow |
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| 03:23.25 | Nyle | alright |
| 03:23.27 | Nyle | im going again |
| 03:23.40 | Nyle | take it easy, see ya'll whenever I see ya'll, peace |
| 03:23.45 | nvz | bye |
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| 03:24.40 | nvz | gets his MD 20/20 vision on |
| 03:25.08 | nvz | its cheaper than kerosene, it may not heat the house, but it makes me warm |
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| 03:25.46 | lestat | exi |
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| 03:26.02 | nvz | exi is for /quitters |
| 03:26.03 | enouf | stential |
| 03:27.06 | nvz | if I get this 5200 working I wanna go full 3d and get a real transparent term not this damn psuedo-trans |
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| 03:27.38 | nvz | I'd like to get some people together to bring tdfsb up to a tool and not a toy |
| 03:27.44 | sysape | does anyone know why my kde freezes when i modify my /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 03:27.52 | nvz | thats some shit right out of the fucking hackers movie right there |
| 03:28.10 | nvz | could be like the gibson with shells and shit in 3d |
| 03:28.23 | sysape | i jsut tried to add a stupid pre-up line (which works btw) but now kde will freeze every time on load |
| 03:28.28 | nvz | sysape: kde is a bitch like that? |
| 03:28.32 | sysape | apparently |
| 03:28.37 | nvz | sysape: have you tired in #debian-kde? |
| 03:28.55 | sysape | thats the one place i havent been.. |
| 03:29.00 | liberfiasco | Well, I looked at bts for xorg-xserver-video-ati and I didn't recognize any bug that is about dimming the console... but at least direct rendering and 3D still work so I guess I'll just refrain from using console for now (we have terminals!) :) |
| 03:29.07 | liberfiasco | I do wonder though.. |
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| 03:29.33 | nvz | I haven't been around here much lately but over my past 7-8 years here I've noticed most people are more used to command-line stuff or minimal desktop setups or gnome |
| 03:29.41 | nvz | kde isn't real big in #debian |
| 03:30.04 | nvz | the upstream people in #kde are usually dicks cause they are just mad debian isn't on the fucking bleeding edge of their releases |
| 03:30.09 | nvz | heh |
| 03:30.11 | liberfiasco | well I'm considering KDE :D |
| 03:30.22 | liberfiasco | I used GNOME primarily for a long time now.. |
| 03:30.23 | nvz | I don't like kde and I aviod it so I don't have those issues |
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| 03:30.48 | ymorin | is there a command (command line) to know the gnome version? |
| 03:30.50 | sysape | goign to lurk in debian-kde for a while |
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| 03:30.57 | liberfiasco | actually, I like GNOME in terms of looks better and KDE applications in function.. but KDE4 is intriguing |
| 03:31.08 | nvz | I still like k3b best as far as cd burning frontends go and amarok and apollon are ok.. but it seems these days gift is useless cause I can't seem to get any of the 4 working plugins Ares, Fasttrack, Gnutella, or OpenFT to work reliably |
| 03:31.26 | ymorin | the fastest I've found, is to use dpkg -I |
| 03:31.38 | liberfiasco | nvz, ah, today it's all about bittorrent.. |
| 03:31.56 | nvz | I use gnome basically but its all custom I use sawfish like legacy versions of gnome and I only run gnome-settings-daemon, nautilus -n, and gnome-panel |
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| 03:32.13 | nvz | I don't use the normal session manager, megashitty setup |
| 03:32.45 | nvz | I am just in love with sawfish and I don't see that ever changing |
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| 03:33.02 | Rusty1 | ymorin: apt-cache policy gnome ? |
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| 03:34.54 | ymorin | ah yes, lot faster, thanks Rusty1 |
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| 03:37.53 | nvz | liberfiasco: idk I tried that projectplaylist that gives you a flashplayer for your website/myspace and it lets me just search for songs and listen to them right off the results page which is simple enough when I just want to hear something and don't need to worry about how to get it |
| 03:38.40 | nvz | thats the main reason I just threw this network together cause the only speakers I got are on the laptop and I only got like 600 songs on there when I got more like 3000+ on this desktop |
| 03:39.07 | nvz | I can remember 10 years ago using a 5cd changer.. heh |
| 03:39.18 | nvz | I'm glad I can put all my music in one place |
| 03:40.04 | nvz | streaming seems to be the way to go these days |
| 03:40.07 | holycow | heheh |
| 03:40.10 | holycow | 5 cd changer |
| 03:40.13 | nvz | got divx web player now |
| 03:40.18 | holycow | man you had the deeeluxe version! |
| 03:40.20 | holycow | mine had 3! |
| 03:40.31 | nvz | that veoh tv is a good concept, needs a linux version though |
| 03:40.58 | nvz | lets you search veoh, yahoo, and I think google/youtube and play them through one player |
| 03:41.05 | nvz | has channel sorting and crap |
| 03:41.09 | nvz | pretty slick |
| 03:41.26 | craigevil | miro does that |
| 03:41.34 | nvz | never heard of it |
| 03:41.49 | craigevil | its the new name of democracyplayer |
| 03:42.11 | nvz | is it in debian? |
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| 03:42.18 | craigevil | yes |
| 03:42.20 | nvz | I' |
| 03:42.39 | nvz | I'd been using debian like 8 years and still don't know the half of whats included |
| 03:43.06 | craigevil | miro - GTK+ based RSS video aggregator, if your not using gnome it pulls in quite a few gnome packages though |
| 03:43.26 | nvz | I just installed etch on my cousins laptop and he found some package called k9copy that makes vcds for his tv which is pretty cool |
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| 03:43.39 | nvz | I guess you could use it to make videos for phones or pocketpcs too |
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| 03:43.40 | eshaase | i'm looking for a storage device (NAS?) that plays well with Linux, anyone have any recommendations? |
| 03:43.52 | holycow | build your own |
| 03:44.05 | holycow | why would you even consider buying some nonsense someone else put together? |
| 03:44.10 | holycow | its never going to do everything you want |
| 03:44.13 | nvz | NAS is way played out as an acronym |
| 03:44.43 | nvz | I swear someone needs to do some housekeeping on the TLA's anymore |
| 03:44.46 | nvz | I think we ran out |
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| 03:45.39 | Joelito | Does anyone knows a possible date for debian 5? |
| 03:45.46 | nvz | the most common two meanings of NAS being Network Attached Storage or Network Audio System are both fairly new and popular |
| 03:45.47 | craigevil | wir |
| 03:45.50 | MrProper_ | is there anyway to have update-mkinitramfs ignore a particular module in etch? |
| 03:45.56 | nvz | so its hard to tell if not specifie |
| 03:45.58 | simonrvn | !wir |
| 03:45.58 | dpkg | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
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| 03:46.17 | Xenguy | !siyh |
| 03:46.17 | dpkg | from memory, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 03:46.22 | nvz | is lenny gonna be 5? |
| 03:46.25 | enouf | you mean update-initramfs? |
| 03:46.35 | nvz | afaik no numbers have been assigned yet |
| 03:46.47 | MrProper_ | enouf, apologies, yes |
| 03:46.52 | craigevil | yes it was on the mailing-list |
| 03:47.21 | nvz | I started with 2.2r6 right before woody released |
| 03:47.23 | enouf | trying to get around new nvidia drivers for new kernel eh? |
| 03:47.45 | nvz | I had a nice run with Mandrake 7.2-8.1 |
| 03:48.15 | enouf | chases nvz down the road with a driva |
| 03:48.26 | nvz | I stopped using mandrake right around the time I stopped keeping windows aroud to run wine or vmware |
| 03:48.47 | nvz | realized I didn't need windows for anything anymore |
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| 03:49.03 | nvz | !gates |
| 03:49.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gates is In a world of free software, there are no fences or walls. So who needs Gates and Windows? |
| 03:49.07 | nvz | !windows |
| 03:49.07 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 03:49.16 | nevyn | that's a fallacy. |
| 03:49.30 | nevyn | some airconditioners don't work correctly without a window open |
| 03:49.46 | nvz | hah, never heard of that |
| 03:50.00 | nvz | the idea is the air conditioner plugs the opening |
| 03:50.04 | nvz | the hot side is outside |
| 03:50.06 | nevyn | because you're trying to pump air into a closed box. only recirculating aircon works with the windows closed |
| 03:50.24 | nevyn | evaporative aircon require a window open a bit. |
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| 03:51.34 | jngu1 | This might sound incredibly dumb... but there aren't any javascript enabled text browsers, right? |
| 03:51.41 | nvz | oh well I'm taking my drunk ass to bed |
| 03:52.02 | nevyn | jngu1: yeah there are. |
| 03:52.06 | nvz | uh.. links2, w3c |
| 03:52.08 | nevyn | elinks can do javascript |
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| 03:52.16 | jngu1 | downloading elinks. Thanks. |
| 03:52.21 | jngu1 | w3c doesn't do javascript afaik |
| 03:52.37 | nevyn | I think.... |
| 03:52.41 | nvz | Idk I never liked w3c |
| 03:52.42 | Joelito | anyone? |
| 03:52.52 | nvz | I use links2 and afaik it works |
| 03:53.05 | nvz | I am pretty sure it has to for the shit I do with it |
| 03:53.33 | jngu1 | I would've never thought. Pretty neat. |
| 03:53.36 | nvz | links2 has graphical mode svga or x11 |
| 03:54.13 | nvz | checks his system timestamp |
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| 03:54.36 | conga | hey people |
| 03:54.47 | holycow | hello congobongo |
| 03:54.47 | conga | can we disable fsck disk being check on a specific drive? |
| 03:54.57 | conga | :) |
| 03:55.12 | nvz | hah, clock was 2hrs 3min off approx. |
| 03:55.26 | nvz | yeah bedtime I guess |
| 03:56.17 | jngu1 | nvz: elinks didn't work but links2 looks amazing :D |
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| 03:59.01 | jngu1 | woah. neat. You can click on terminal stuff. |
| 04:00.15 | MrProper_ | is there anyway to have update-initramfs ignore a particular module in etch? |
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| 04:02.39 | enouf | MrProper_: why? |
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| 04:03.17 | MrProper_ | enouf, because theres problems with qla2xxx not having firmware in initrd because it doesnt copy the firmware from userspace |
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| 04:03.40 | richcollins | What is the aptitude command to show installed packages? |
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| 04:03.54 | MrProper_ | enouf, as i dont use the fibre hbas for boot devices ill just put it in /etc/modules to be loaded |
| 04:03.58 | enouf | firmware issues eh? hrm... |
| 04:04.35 | MrProper_ | enouf, well unless theres a way to get initramfs to copy the firmware in as well, but as far as i can see the package isnt fixed until lenny to allow that |
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| 04:05.49 | enouf | i just don't know, apologies, but atleast others have an idea of what your issue is |
| 04:07.30 | enouf | !selections |
| 04:07.30 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
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| 04:07.47 | Tramp | MrProper_: make a hookscript that copies the firmware? - Didn't follow the whole discussion though |
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| 04:08.07 | holycow | enouf: oh thats sweet |
| 04:08.08 | enouf | erm maybe /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 04:08.09 | holycow | i didn't know that |
| 04:08.10 | holycow | cool |
| 04:08.11 | jones_513 | how many apahce2's should be in top? |
| 04:08.47 | MrProper_ | Tramp, i have a qlogic HBA, i either want to have update-initramfs copy the firmware (which has been fixed up in the testing release) or black list this module from being included in initramfs and ill load it in /etc/modules |
| 04:10.39 | Tramp | MrProper_: no idea about the blacklisting. But you can put a script in /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/ which copies the firmware. man initramfs-tools has an example (although ymmv) |
| 04:10.56 | enouf | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 04:10.56 | dpkg | it has been said that blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 04:11.13 | enouf | MrProper_: ^^^^ |
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| 04:12.07 | MrProper_ | thanks gusy |
| 04:12.09 | MrProper_ | guys even |
| 04:12.10 | enouf | there's a bit about that in the installation guide as well |
| 04:12.31 | enouf | Boot options section, IIRC |
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| 04:13.14 | wd | just installed debian etch as well as irssi, shouldn't irssi be in my net folder or must i always execute it by term? |
| 04:13.36 | enouf | see 5.2.1.3. Blacklisting kernel modules |
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| 04:25.09 | cafuego | wd: it's not an X application, but you can add it. Execute 'xterm -e irssi' |
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| 04:32.37 | esaym | how do I enable or install php with gd support? |
| 04:33.18 | cafuego | install php5-gd |
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| 04:35.18 | esaym | doh, I was searching for php-gd |
| 04:35.21 | esaym | thank you |
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| 04:58.06 | yigal | does anyone know of a channel I can ask a question related to setting an X property value when ever I change to a different virtual terminal in gnu screen ? |
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| 04:59.39 | yigal | ok, well fwiw I'm asking the question here, how can I change the name of my X term - in this case urxvt - everytime I switch to another virtual term in screen |
| 05:00.19 | yigal | I don't think it is that difficult, just xprop -set WM_NAME "mutt", or what ever |
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| 05:14.32 | yigal | does anyone know how to tell gnu screen to issue a command everytime one switches to another virtual term? Is this possible? |
| 05:14.59 | nickola | can anyone help me to manualy make vhost for urc uses on etch |
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| 05:17.10 | freebird | you guys, I want to enable my ip_tables on my kernel, but I can`t find it, can someone help me with that please |
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| 05:17.20 | niru | can any body suggest where all can we find the opensource software and what is the latest in oss |
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| 05:18.37 | freebird | anyideas you guys ? |
| 05:18.45 | davedorm | instal guarddog |
| 05:18.54 | davedorm | that's wat I use for ip_tables |
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| 05:19.02 | enouf | freebird: modprobe iptables |
| 05:19.08 | davedorm | that too |
| 05:19.10 | davedorm | :) |
| 05:19.15 | davedorm | hi enouf |
| 05:19.20 | cahoot | configuring his own? |
| 05:19.30 | cahoot | kernel |
| 05:19.36 | davedorm | I thought that was already in the kernel |
| 05:19.41 | enouf | actually /sbin/modprobe -l | grep table |
| 05:19.45 | freebird | enouf, FATAL: Module iptables not found. |
| 05:20.01 | enouf | davedorm: hi |
| 05:20.06 | enouf | cahoot: huh? |
| 05:20.08 | freebird | enouf, hi man, the last one returns nothing |
| 05:20.13 | davedorm | you were a big help the other day, enouf |
| 05:20.21 | davedorm | got t all up and running finally |
| 05:20.22 | enouf | davedorm: oh, ok , great |
| 05:20.33 | freebird | enouf, I guess I have to enable that on .config, and recompile, right |
| 05:20.34 | freebird | ?? |
| 05:20.35 | davedorm | seems the mobo has some funky way of ower management |
| 05:20.44 | enouf | freebird: what are you talking about? |
| 05:20.45 | freebird | enouf, recompile it |
| 05:20.51 | davedorm | so powernowd freezes my system |
| 05:21.00 | davedorm | so I worked around it |
| 05:21.12 | enouf | freebird: l |
| 05:21.12 | enouf | [01:16:19] <enouf> actually /sbin/modprobe -l | grep table |
| 05:21.50 | enouf | choose some of those, and modprobe them |
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| 05:22.14 | nickola | enouf, can you help me |
| 05:22.36 | enouf | nickola: sry, no idea |
| 05:22.49 | nickola | ok enouf thanks anyway |
| 05:22.53 | freebird | enouf, you spoke about tables, and my question was about iptables, so I thought you were talking to me |
| 05:22.54 | freebird | sorry, |
| 05:23.18 | freebird | do you have a minute to help me finding the option that enables iptables on my kernel ?? |
| 05:23.21 | enouf | no worries |
| 05:23.29 | enouf | it's enables |
| 05:23.32 | enouf | it's enabled |
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| 05:23.52 | enouf | !iptables |
| 05:23.52 | dpkg | iptables is probably the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 05:24.01 | freebird | enouf, I`m getting: iptables v1.4.0: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 05:24.01 | freebird | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 05:24.02 | niru | Any idea on what is the latest technology of opensource |
| 05:24.17 | freebird | enouf, what`s that suppose to mean ? |
| 05:24.48 | nevyn | freebird: you need to modprobe iptables |
| 05:24.49 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:25.05 | liable | the netfilter team decided to screw up your config if you copied over an old one into a 2.6.24 source |
| 05:25.08 | enouf | .//lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/net/ipv4/netfilter/ip_tables.ko |
| 05:25.11 | freebird | nevyn, it says that the module is not present |
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| 05:25.21 | freebird | enouf, what`s that |
| 05:25.22 | freebird | ?? |
| 05:25.28 | liable | they are all different know |
| 05:25.31 | freebird | what am I supposed to do with that ? |
| 05:25.34 | nevyn | freebird: sorry iptables meaning iptables_filter iptables_nat iptables_bleh ... |
| 05:25.34 | enouf | it means you need to read more |
| 05:26.04 | liable | its nf-nat nf-contrack et al |
| 05:26.12 | liable | for 2.6.24 |
| 05:26.25 | liable | just had the pleasure of being caught out by this |
| 05:26.44 | freebird | nevyn, do you know under which option I can enable and disable iptables on my kernel ?? |
| 05:26.57 | enouf | oh well, play with sid, he gonna bust you up .. or you need to read the changelogs |
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| 05:27.31 | enouf | and follow mailing lists and bts and climb back under your bridge ;-) |
| 05:27.34 | nevyn | liable: it MOVED :( |
| 05:27.49 | nevyn | liable: hey it's not like it's the stable tree... |
| 05:27.54 | liable | nevyn: yeah they changed it a fair bit for 2.6.24 |
| 05:28.22 | nevyn | glares at linus and rusty. |
| 05:28.27 | nevyn | sigh. |
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| 05:31.46 | freebird | found it, tks you guys |
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| 05:42.26 | enouf | guess he wasn't using a debian kernel , oh well, his loss |
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| 05:47.27 | iateadonut | there used to be some guy nick in here all the time. what happened? he get a job? |
| 05:48.22 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 05:48.52 | davedorm | job? what is this you speak of? |
| 05:48.54 | davedorm | lol |
| 05:49.06 | davedorm | j/k |
| 05:49.16 | davedorm | I do have a job, in fact, I am a work now |
| 05:49.26 | davedorm | night shift on a help desk. good times |
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| 05:50.53 | iateadonut | how's the pay? |
| 05:51.00 | davedorm | crappy |
| 05:51.07 | davedorm | but I am looking for better |
| 05:51.31 | davedorm | been here two years... it's REAL slow on the night shift, so I have grown fat and lazy |
| 05:51.53 | davedorm | I have a recruiter on the hook says she can get me on in a NOC where I can use my mad penguin skillz |
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| 05:52.05 | davedorm | she called me Friday, so we'll see |
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| 05:52.53 | AdamJ | Guy dies from rickroll http://youtube.com/watch?v=4A6ImflixL8 |
| 05:53.17 | davedorm | if I get it, it's almost twice what I am making now, so it's an upgrade |
| 05:53.35 | iateadonut | have you been using your time to study? |
| 05:53.40 | davedorm | yup |
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| 05:53.46 | davedorm | reading rute |
| 05:53.51 | davedorm | studying for LPI |
| 05:53.53 | davedorm | etc |
| 05:54.18 | davedorm | and getting away from *buntu and going back to plain old Debian was a good start, too |
| 05:54.39 | davedorm | honing my CLI skills |
| 05:54.46 | AdamJ2 | Guy dies from rickroll http://youtube.com/watch?v=4A6ImflixL8 |
| 05:55.03 | liable | AdamJ2: we dont care |
| 05:55.14 | AdamJ2 | Yer you do |
| 05:55.16 | AdamJ2 | He was using debian |
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| 06:04.55 | iateadonut | what is rickroll? |
| 06:05.09 | hetauma | how can I install firefox 3 on lenny? |
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| 06:06.00 | acu07 | hey guys, I want to setup a webserver, ftp server and email server in one box - should I setup lvm for each /var/www /var/mail var/ftp ? |
| 06:06.49 | nevyn | depends |
| 06:07.00 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 06:07.08 | nevyn | acu07: probably not. |
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| 06:07.13 | Fox_1_ | people how can I bring back deleted files? |
| 06:07.13 | appelza | could someone please help me with RRDtool: http://pastie.caboo.se/173049 |
| 06:07.22 | nevyn | Fox_1_: what filesystem? |
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| 06:07.43 | nevyn | there's an undelete utility for ext2/3 |
| 06:07.49 | Fox_1_ | etx3 |
| 06:07.51 | nevyn | but it's awfully hit and miss |
| 06:07.51 | Fox_1_ | ext3 |
| 06:07.55 | acu07 | nevyn: so I should just create physical partitions with /var/www and var/mail ? |
| 06:08.16 | nevyn | acu07: why do you want them on seperate partitions? |
| 06:08.41 | acu07 | if one overgrows does not block the other |
| 06:08.46 | nevyn | use quota's |
| 06:08.52 | acu07 | also I have 3 hardisks |
| 06:09.02 | nevyn | acu07: are they the same? |
| 06:09.06 | acu07 | one 370 GB and two 160 GB |
| 06:09.07 | nevyn | the disks. |
| 06:09.18 | Fox_1_ | nevyn, so how can I? |
| 06:10.35 | acu07 | I would expect the list need on the mail and most on the webserver |
| 06:11.26 | acu07 | what happened |
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| 06:12.07 | iateadonut | Fox_1 - it's nearly impossible. |
| 06:12.11 | iateadonut | did you use rm to delete them? |
| 06:12.27 | iateadonut | apt-get install autopsy |
| 06:13.00 | iateadonut | apt-get install foremost |
| 06:13.00 | iateadonut | man foremost |
| 06:13.18 | iateadonut | man autopsy |
| 06:13.28 | iateadonut | that should pretty much do it for you. |
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| 06:13.50 | nevyn | whee |
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| 06:23.51 | fredl | is at a loss... a long time ago I've set up LVM, I think during the install of my system... |
| 06:24.20 | fredl | it appears to work fine, but sometimes I bump into these errors. |
| 06:24.32 | fredl | like when I do 'dmsetup status' |
| 06:24.47 | fredl | I get lines like Error|lvm2|positron|pv3: 0 5005696 error |
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| 06:26.05 | fredl | it doesn't really mean anything to me and I can't find many things about dmsetup on the web either. |
| 06:26.14 | AdamJ2 | Guy dies from rickroll http://youtube.com/watch?v=4A6ImflixL8 |
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| 06:58.24 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:58.24 | dpkg | < aios> eeyore-: funny how ubuntu has the biggest freenode channel, but its where i get the less answers ... everyone in there is just like me so its pointless |
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| 06:58.36 | liable | heh |
| 06:59.24 | simonrvn | newbies helping newbies. "do you know how i can do this?" "no, we have NFC" |
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| 07:00.58 | pmv | haha |
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| 07:01.40 | davedorm | the *buntu IRC is useless |
| 07:01.45 | simonrvn | sad, too |
| 07:01.47 | davedorm | 14 year olds as mods |
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| 07:02.16 | davedorm | "no, we won't answer your question because you did not format it the way we like. Read our guidelines again..." |
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| 07:02.49 | davedorm | I got kick/banned because I changed my nick in channel. |
| 07:02.57 | davedorm | I can't make this shit up, man... |
| 07:03.34 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 07:03.45 | simonrvn | *blink* |
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| 07:04.01 | davedorm | yeah man |
| 07:04.08 | ShakataGaNai | That is impressive |
| 07:04.16 | liable | anyway.. |
| 07:04.48 | davedorm | I had it out with one of the mods, and when I cornered him in /msg and asked how old he was, he told me "that was not relevent" and got all flustered... 14 tops, my guess |
| 07:05.01 | simonrvn | like i said, sad. almost makes me want to go over there and help... (not i said almost) |
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| 07:05.08 | simonrvn | note* |
| 07:05.12 | davedorm | heh |
| 07:05.13 | Neeesat | Hello to all |
| 07:05.34 | davedorm | well, it's' irelevant since I walked away from *buntu anyway |
| 07:05.35 | davedorm | ;) |
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| 07:05.50 | simonrvn | and really OT ;) |
| 07:06.03 | ShakataGaNai | Ok, I've got a problem I can't seem to solve. I've got double on board network cards (Dell Server). The was faulty, got replaced. Now I'm running on eth2/3 but for Asterisk/G729 I need to be back on eth0/1. I don't know how to remove the "cache" of the old eth0/1's, and udev doesn't seem to work to get them renamed. Anyone have any pointers? |
| 07:06.18 | Neeesat | I have 2 debian PC's and I want the one pc to call scripts of the second pc through ssh without the need of a password. Can this be done? |
| 07:06.22 | liable | !z25 |
| 07:06.22 | dpkg | z25 is, like, as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 07:06.26 | liable | ShakataGaNai: ^^ |
| 07:06.46 | liable | ShakataGaNai: you can just delete that file and reload the modules. |
| 07:06.58 | ShakataGaNai | Roger, will try. Thanks liable. |
| 07:07.01 | liable | np |
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| 07:08.21 | ShakataGaNai | It all makes sense why my custom udev rule didn't work, it was getting overwritten |
| 07:08.22 | ShakataGaNai | oh the joys |
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| 07:08.47 | liable | udev fun |
| 07:09.06 | ShakataGaNai | If this works, I could hug you. I refuse to admit how much time I've wasted trying to figure this out |
| 07:09.24 | liable | heh |
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| 07:10.19 | ShakataGaNai | ooooooooo it works |
| 07:10.27 | ShakataGaNai | hugs liable |
| 07:10.32 | ShakataGaNai | ^_^ |
| 07:10.48 | Waistless | anyone here capable of solving wireless problems? |
| 07:11.18 | Waistless | I'm using the rt73 drivers in the 2.6.24 kernel, and the wireless isn't detecting any networks |
| 07:11.58 | pmv | Waistless, what card/chipset? |
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| 07:12.02 | mmcr | Hello. |
| 07:12.08 | Fox_1_ | does anyone know how mc delete files? |
| 07:12.09 | Waistless | 07d1:3c03 i'll just google that |
| 07:12.31 | mmcr | Is anyone running a personal mysqld right now ? |
| 07:12.40 | Waistless | Dwl G122 Rev C |
| 07:12.50 | Waistless | it's a usb wireless adapter |
| 07:12.58 | mmcr | Please I need help with this. |
| 07:13.09 | ShakataGaNai | mmcr: what's a "personal mysqld" ? |
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| 07:13.11 | pmv | mmcr, #mysql not helping? |
| 07:14.20 | mmcr | Pmv: Not really. |
| 07:14.23 | Waistless | pmv: drivers were in the 2.6.24 kernel so it's the free driver i'm using |
| 07:14.47 | mmcr | Actually is something that anybody with a mysqld running can help me |
| 07:15.09 | mmcr | I just need to get the content of /var/run/mysqld because I dont have a socket |
| 07:15.16 | mmcr | so, no database... |
| 07:15.34 | mmcr | If anybody can mail me that files, the pid file and the socket file |
| 07:15.47 | liable | that wont work |
| 07:15.55 | liable | they are made when it starts |
| 07:16.10 | mmcr | liable: it justs controlls the connection... |
| 07:16.27 | mmcr | I know is going to work... |
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| 07:16.38 | mmcr | Please anybody can help me with those files. ? |
| 07:16.43 | GhostInTheShell | mmcr: edit your my.cnf and add the socket option, then restart your mysqld |
| 07:16.52 | mmcr | I did all that... |
| 07:17.03 | ShakataGaNai | mmcr: the mysqld.sock file is 0 bytes |
| 07:17.10 | fredl | Hmm. LVM2 / dmsetup is kinda baffling me still. |
| 07:17.11 | mmcr | Nothing is working, I've been reading the whole nick... |
| 07:17.17 | ShakataGaNai | emailing 0 bytes to you won't do too much |
| 07:17.18 | mmcr | whole night |
| 07:17.34 | mmcr | ...... |
| 07:17.44 | mmcr | I don't know what to do... |
| 07:17.53 | mmcr | I ran out of options. |
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| 07:18.24 | fredl | I got 'vgs' to stop giving me errors about /dev/dm-11 and /dev/dm-12 by simply tossing /dev/dm-11 and /dev/dm-12 |
| 07:18.27 | simonrvn | people just told you what to do, go do them |
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| 07:18.40 | GhostInTheShell | mmcr: is /var/run/mysql owned by the mysql user? |
| 07:18.50 | mmcr | yes, it is. |
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| 07:19.11 | GhostInTheShell | well, i run out of ideas too |
| 07:19.20 | fredl | however, I still get error messages in 'dmsetup ls' |
| 07:19.35 | mmcr | I even put chmod 777 the directory but nothing. |
| 07:19.46 | fredl | anybody have a clue what this means? |
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| 07:19.55 | clusty | hey |
| 07:19.57 | fredl | positron:/dev/mapper# dmsetup ls |
| 07:19.57 | fredl | Error|lvm2|positron|pv4 (254, 12) |
| 07:20.11 | clusty | how can I save my iptables rules at every shutdown? |
| 07:20.22 | clusty | and resume them at boot |
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| 07:20.31 | mmcr | clusty: with a script |
| 07:20.47 | clusty | mmcr, whats the iptable command for save/load? |
| 07:20.58 | simonrvn | iptables-save |
| 07:20.59 | mmcr | clusty: is better a bash script. |
| 07:21.21 | simonrvn | you then need to read that... but yes a script is better |
| 07:21.27 | clusty | mmcr, can you elaborate a bit? |
| 07:21.44 | mmcr | clusty: That is personal. |
| 07:21.54 | fredl | I guess the LVM people aren't awake yet :) |
| 07:22.01 | simonrvn | $iptables -A foo bar -j WHATAREYOUDOING |
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| 07:22.09 | mmcr | A firewall is for YOUR security. |
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| 07:22.57 | yell8w | hey guys, where can I get the key for sid ? |
| 07:22.59 | simonrvn | fredl: i've never use dmsetup to set up a lvm |
| 07:23.13 | simonrvn | yell8w: key? gpg? |
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| 07:23.19 | clusty | simonrvn, thanks for the info |
| 07:23.22 | yell8w | simonrvn: yes |
| 07:23.26 | simonrvn | it's not per dist... |
| 07:23.33 | simonrvn | it's per repo |
| 07:23.41 | fredl | simonrvn, me either, but I had this brainfreeze once upon a time that I wanted to use evms. |
| 07:23.45 | simonrvn | see /topic |
| 07:23.57 | simonrvn | fredl: that i've never done |
| 07:23.58 | fredl | simonrvn, I think that 'did something' to my system :) |
| 07:24.30 | fredl | simonrvn, when you use dmsetup ls, does it show you anything? |
| 07:24.53 | simonrvn | yeh, my lvs |
| 07:25.25 | simonrvn | system-usr (253, 0) ..... |
| 07:25.27 | fredl | hmm |
| 07:25.37 | fredl | yeah in a funky format right? |
| 07:25.46 | simonrvn | just like that ^^^ |
| 07:26.01 | simonrvn | (using sid, fyi) |
| 07:26.06 | fredl | *nod* but usr is your lv, system is the vg the lv is in. |
| 07:26.23 | fredl | like, if you do lvs, you'd see usr, but not system-usr |
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| 07:26.56 | mmcr | IJJAJAAAAAAAq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:27.00 | mmcr | I did work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:27.06 | mmcr | itj- |
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| 07:27.09 | mmcr | it- |
| 07:27.13 | mmcr | :) |
| 07:27.15 | mmcr | :D |
| 07:27.22 | fredl | simonrvn, what do you get if you do vgscan ? |
| 07:27.28 | mmcr | excuse but Im very happy. |
| 07:27.35 | Waistless | the ubuntu devs must be using magic, they can get identical stuff to work in ubuntu which will not work in debian |
| 07:27.37 | fredl | yeah we can tell mmcr |
| 07:27.48 | mmcr | :D |
| 07:27.56 | yell8w | simonrvn: i read it and read dkpg's info but not sure that's what i need. the error i got is W: GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org sid Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 |
| 07:27.58 | fredl | Waistless, well usually that's the other way around. |
| 07:28.06 | mmcr | Good Night! |
| 07:28.10 | simonrvn | yell8w: read it again |
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| 07:28.36 | yell8w | read which part ? |
| 07:28.57 | liable | i was having issues with that key on installs yesterday |
| 07:29.08 | Waistless | haha well that's the way it is with my wireless. same drivers, slightly different kernel (2.6.24 compared to 2.6.22) but they will not work. |
| 07:29.24 | yell8w | dpkg tells me about 2006 key and etch key, nothing about sid key |
| 07:29.38 | simonrvn | the whole factoid |
| 07:30.02 | simonrvn | .:03:23:26:. <simonrvn> it's not per dist... .:03:23:33:. <simonrvn> it's per repo |
| 07:30.15 | simonrvn | there is no "sid key" |
| 07:30.33 | simonrvn | doesn't do wifi |
| 07:30.56 | Waistless | thinks simon is very lucky |
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| 07:31.01 | yell8w | uhm so what should i do ? |
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| 07:31.32 | simonrvn | senses a lack of comprehension, or trolling |
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| 07:32.03 | laurly | i reinstalled my server yesterday. i had back ups of all the web sites. but when i brouse to them nothing shows up in the page. its empty. apache and php are set up and working. |
| 07:32.22 | yell8w | simonrvn: help me out here, i'm really not familiar with debian |
| 07:32.48 | simonrvn | read the factoid again, and follow the instructions to the letter |
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| 07:33.33 | yell8w | so get both keys ? |
| 07:33.35 | simonrvn | factoid being the messge the bot told you |
| 07:33.50 | yell8w | debian-archive-keyring ? |
| 07:33.58 | simonrvn | the "PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key" |
| 07:34.10 | simonrvn | yeh, that would help ;). install that |
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| 07:37.31 | Waistless | ahh screw it i'm gonna see if the rt73 nonfree drivers work |
| 07:37.33 | simonrvn | is proud of his feather done in inkscape |
| 07:38.42 | dustybin | adobe illustrator ftw |
| 07:38.49 | cafuego | !stab dustybin |
| 07:38.49 | dpkg | runs at dustybin with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 07:39.09 | cafuego | illustrator doesn't do headless operation, so it sucks ass |
| 07:39.14 | jelly-home | cafuego: did it have a bottle opener? |
| 07:39.20 | simonrvn | adobe whatsis? |
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| 07:52.46 | Crissi | hello, i told about problems with tg3 driver... i foudn the solution... this card is bad because it tries to load firmware.. you need the have an entry like "allow-hotplug eth0" in the interfaces... just for info |
| 07:53.09 | Crissi | otherwise ifup fail and only manuall configuring works |
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| 07:55.17 | yell8w | simonrvn: i did both, neither works |
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| 08:11.03 | erik__ | I get "undefined symbol: dav_xml_get_cdata" after installing subversion and restarting apache2, which fails. Any suggestions ? |
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| 08:17.01 | genelisp | hi, I am getting errors with apt-get - "could not resolve ftp.nl.debian.org" (even though I can ping it just fine) and I can't update - my apt-get line looks like: deb ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian main contrib non-free |
| 08:17.05 | genelisp | can anyone help? |
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| 08:18.51 | pmv | genelisp, maybe you set it up to use proxies? |
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| 08:20.13 | genelisp | pmv: doubt it, I've just left it as default since when I installed |
| 08:20.27 | pmv | strange indeed |
| 08:20.52 | pmv | and you are resolving A records only? |
| 08:20.56 | pmv | not ipv6 AAAA? |
| 08:22.04 | genelisp | yes... but it's trying to fetch ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/main/Release.gpg which is clearly wrong |
| 08:22.59 | pmv | hm |
| 08:23.06 | genelisp | I tried etch/main as well but it doesn't work either |
| 08:23.08 | pmv | check your sources again? |
| 08:23.17 | genelisp | Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/Release.gpg Could not resolve ‘ftp.nl.debian.org’ |
| 08:23.37 | genelisp | deb ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian etch/main contrib non-free |
| 08:23.40 | genelisp | for that source line |
| 08:24.19 | KU0N | I need the xserver-xorg-video-amd driver on a debian etch, is that possible? |
| 08:24.39 | KU0N | I tried to compile it on an etch box, but it complains about xserver-xorg package not being here |
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| 08:25.54 | pmv | compile? |
| 08:26.06 | pmv | any reason you are building from source? |
| 08:26.21 | KU0N | pmv: because the package doesn't exists on etch |
| 08:26.26 | maligor | geode huh? |
| 08:26.33 | KU0N | Yea, embedded system |
| 08:27.13 | maligor | xserver-xorg-dev |
| 08:27.16 | maligor | you need that |
| 08:28.10 | KU0N | will try, thanks maligor |
| 08:28.11 | genelisp | pmv: can you give me a valid sources line? |
| 08:28.20 | maligor | you're lucky xorg modularized, the old way would've required a full XServer source tree :P |
| 08:28.22 | maligor | it was a major pain |
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| 08:29.57 | KU0N | it complains about fontsproto randrproto renderproto videoproto xf86dgaproto |
| 08:30.16 | maligor | install the -dev packages for them too then |
| 08:30.21 | pmv | genelisp, sorry, no deb atm |
| 08:30.35 | KU0N | maligor: they don't exist |
| 08:30.42 | genelisp | can anyone else? |
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| 08:31.34 | maligor | KU0N, naming is x11proto-*-dev, I think you can also install xorg-dev, it'll install them all |
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| 08:31.48 | wuxia | what's the package that allows me to say "in this directory, build me the entire file system of debian etch, for hte i386 arch" (i'm playing with qemu) |
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| 08:32.09 | KU0N | maligor: thanks, I'm a bit lost in that package land:) |
| 08:32.13 | cherry453 | hey there! anyone knows if there is a teamspeak-client with webinterface? or at least a teamspeak-client which can be accessed with console? |
| 08:32.15 | maligor | the individual names are like x11proto-fonts-dev |
| 08:32.23 | visik7 | wuxia: debootstrap |
| 08:32.28 | cherry453 | want to use teamspeak without desktop |
| 08:32.34 | wuxia | visik7: thanks |
| 08:32.38 | KU0N | xorg-dev did the trick |
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| 08:35.43 | KU0N | Ok, it compiled, now, how to I move that to the embedded system, can I simply copy some files? |
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| 08:37.33 | KU0N | should I simply copy the .so? |
| 08:38.13 | maligor | depends on what the embedded system runs and what you used to compile it :P |
| 08:38.37 | maligor | if it runs debian and you compiled it using the debian build scripts you can use the .deb it generated |
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| 08:39.49 | KU0N | maligor: the embedded system is the same arch/debian version as the compiler system |
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| 08:40.24 | maligor | then the best way would be to generate the .deb |
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| 08:41.15 | KU0N | maligor: how do I generate it? |
| 08:41.18 | maligor | if you used apt-get source xserver-xorg-video-amd to get the sources, you can just run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 08:41.35 | maligor | if you have dpkg-dev installed anyway |
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| 08:42.26 | KU0N | I downloaded the .tar.gz |
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| 08:42.52 | KU0N | ftp://ftp.freedesktop.org/pub/individual/driver/xf86-video-amd-2.7.7.7.tar.bz2 |
| 08:43.04 | maligor | mm.. I doubt the originals include the build scripts |
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| 08:44.02 | maligor | the debian mirrors'll have the patches for the build scritps too, or you can use apt-get source |
| 08:44.13 | KU0N | ok |
| 08:44.29 | KU0N | I'll update my source list to include unstable |
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| 08:44.51 | maligor | you'll only need dpkg-src line I guess |
| 08:45.05 | maligor | err.. deb-src |
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| 08:45.38 | thor^^ | hi |
| 08:45.43 | KU0N | should I add "sid" or "unstable" ? |
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| 08:45.58 | maligor | doesn't matter |
| 08:46.13 | maligor | I'm not sure if you'll be able to build them actually, if the host is etch, but you can try |
| 08:46.38 | KU0N | the original di build |
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| 08:47.12 | maligor | yeah, but the configuration of the debian package might depend on something that's only in sid |
| 08:47.24 | maligor | or it might just aswell not |
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| 08:47.54 | marupa | How do you check what process is using a directory? |
| 08:48.07 | maligor | lsof /path/to/where/ever |
| 08:48.13 | marupa | thanks |
| 08:48.26 | KU0N | E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.ch.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 08:48.45 | maligor | you should update your lists :P |
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| 08:48.53 | KU0N | ho, yea |
| 08:48.54 | KU0N | sorry |
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| 08:49.31 | KU0N | It's just that I should be coding the applicationg, and I spent nearly 2 days trying to get my opengl context, so I'm a bit tired. |
| 08:49.45 | maligor | insert more coffee |
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| 08:51.10 | moshii | or just have a sleep.. the quality of your work will be a shit load better |
| 08:51.40 | JustSoul | Hello. When I connect usb-flash, and try to open. I have an kio-error. |
| 08:51.43 | JustSoul | !kio |
| 08:51.43 | dpkg | kio is, like, the KDE Input Output interface, the best framework to transparently access files and data across any known and unknown protocol |
| 08:51.44 | KU0N | moshii: I just woke up |
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| 08:52.17 | moshii | KU0N: But you're tired? |
| 08:52.41 | KU0N | moshii: I'm mentally tired of not being able to focus on my work:) |
| 08:52.45 | moshii | JustSoul: can you mount the fs normally? |
| 08:52.45 | JustSoul | !configure kio |
| 08:52.45 | dpkg | takes kio package and apply dpkg --force `killall` --hold kio's head --unpack kio'brains --tar-file kio's body |
| 08:52.59 | JustSoul | moshii: by hand - yes |
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| 08:53.27 | JustSoul | !eer |
| 08:53.30 | KU0N | maligor: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: cdbs (>= 0.4.24) autotools-dev debhelper (>= 5) xserver-xorg-dev (>= 2:1.4) |
| 08:54.09 | moshii | JustSoul: log into x with just an xterm and run startkde, check the output to see whats happening |
| 08:54.17 | JustSoul | moshii: but I want to use kde-automount/dismount/safe eject |
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| 08:54.36 | maligor | KU0N, yeah, I rather suspected that |
| 08:54.52 | moshii | JustSoul: yes, you probably have some library mismatch or something. |
| 08:54.56 | KU0N | maligor: should I simply install it manually? |
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| 08:55.18 | maligor | if you don't consider it a problem, yes |
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| 08:56.01 | KU0N | no, in fact, as a programmer, I'm more familiar with moving lib around and things, those packages are nice, but I have no knowledge of them |
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| 08:56.37 | JustSoul | moshii: If I install usbmount, it's mounts normally, but i cannot dismount it by KDE |
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| 08:59.16 | simonrvn | yell8w: you're doing something wrong then |
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| 09:06.23 | jetscreamer | !say shut up |
| 09:06.23 | dpkg | shut up |
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| 09:06.37 | hoodlum | !say NOU |
| 09:06.37 | dpkg | NOU |
| 09:06.47 | thctlo2 | hi, im struggeling with a ldapsearch filter. ldapsearch -h localhost -x -b 'ou=Groups,dc=testdomain,dc=nl' 'objectClass=posixGroup' 'gidNumber>2000' , but it result is always all the groups, not only groups with gid 2000 and greater.. what is wrong here ?? |
| 09:07.11 | jetscreamer | ` not ' maybe |
| 09:07.20 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 09:07.29 | thctlo2 | same for this one ldapsearch filter. ldapsearch -h localhost -x -b 'ou=Groups,dc=testdomain,dc=nl' 'gidNumber>2000' , but it result is always all the groups, not only groups with gid 2000 and greater.. what is wrong here ?? |
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| 09:07.56 | jetscreamer | i mean around the gidNumber thang |
| 09:08.00 | jetscreamer | but i know nothing |
| 09:08.22 | needhelp | what is the application to use to set up an internal forum in my LAN in debian ? i've set up apache and php |
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| 09:08.37 | thctlo2 | but then i make a ldapsearch with, gidNumber=2001 it displays only that group.. |
| 09:08.38 | jetscreamer | phpbb or something maybe |
| 09:08.54 | needhelp | phpbb for the forum? |
| 09:08.58 | needhelp | i'll try |
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| 09:09.09 | KU0N | maligor: I installed the driver, but when I use it, I have a black screen:( |
| 09:09.12 | thctlo2 | rfc 2254 says greater then is allowed.. |
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| 09:09.28 | jetscreamer | my take is that you are asking it for a specific one with gidNumber==2001, but you want it to parse the expression gidNumber>2000 but like i said i know nothing |
| 09:09.32 | maligor | KU0N, I can't say I know anything about it |
| 09:09.46 | jetscreamer | yes phpbb is one forum |
| 09:09.50 | jetscreamer | there are others |
| 09:10.00 | jetscreamer | in sources, not positive |
| 09:10.19 | needhelp | ok i'm installing it out of apt-get |
| 09:10.22 | needhelp | trying |
| 09:10.29 | needhelp | phpbb2 or phpbb? |
| 09:10.34 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
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| 09:10.39 | jetscreamer | the one you prefer |
| 09:10.48 | jetscreamer | !phpbb |
| 09:10.48 | dpkg | well, phpbb is a PHP Bulletin Board. try #phpbb. Package name is phpbb2 in sarge/etch. apt-cache search phpbb |
| 09:10.55 | jetscreamer | try #phpbb |
| 09:11.01 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 09:11.17 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.26 | jetscreamer | i don't know my own strength |
| 09:11.42 | jetscreamer | (hey rocky watch me pull a rabbit outta my hat) |
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| 09:12.54 | needhelp | ok thanks! |
| 09:13.26 | thctlo2 | i need help from a ldap guru , someone here ? |
| 09:13.32 | jetscreamer | doesn't say the asp.net community forums |
| 09:14.15 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 09:14.55 | simNIX | hello |
| 09:15.11 | KU0N | maligor: got it working, thanks to http://forums.fedoraforum.org/printthread.php?t=167954 |
| 09:15.27 | KU0N | maligor: thanks a lot for the help:) Much appreciated. |
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| 09:20.49 | KU0N | I got my OpenGL context running, yea! |
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| 09:21.20 | joltcan_ | thctlo2: what do you want to do with the ldap? |
| 09:21.45 | idimmu | KU0N: what are you writing? |
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| 09:22.16 | KU0N | idimmu: I just had trouble to get an hardware OpenGL Context on an AMD geode lx800 |
| 09:22.26 | KU0N | idimmu: I write some embedded GPS application |
| 09:22.33 | idimmu | ah ok |
| 09:22.58 | thctlo2 | joltcan_ , ldapsearch -h localhost -x -b 'ou=Groups,dc=testdomain,dc=nl' 'gidNumber>2000' displays all my groups, nog only the groups with gidNumber 2000 or greater |
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| 09:24.41 | thctlo2 | joltcan_ what i need is a search filter that only displays the groups with gid greater than 2000 |
| 09:25.32 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:25.40 | jetscreamer | no? |
| 09:25.48 | jetscreamer | no |
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| 09:25.51 | thctlo2 | i'll try |
| 09:25.56 | jetscreamer | no |
| 09:26.02 | jetscreamer | bad juju |
| 09:26.10 | jetscreamer | maybe |
| 09:26.39 | thctlo2 | same result, all groups, not only gid 2000+ |
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| 09:27.05 | utab | dear all, I am using etch-stable and xfce as my desktop however I can not adjust my clock after the daylight savings change. |
| 09:27.32 | joltcan_ | thctlo2: No idea, but "(gidnumber > 2000)" is supposed to work |
| 09:27.42 | joltcan_ | runs off to lunch |
| 09:27.51 | jetscreamer | case matters so which is correct |
| 09:28.10 | jetscreamer | anyway, back to work |
| 09:28.16 | thctlo2 | this "(gidNumber>=2000)" gives 0 results back. |
| 09:28.26 | thctlo2 | but suc6 |
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| 09:37.06 | moshii | I'm using mail inside a script.. how do I specify the sender address? :/ |
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| 09:38.23 | petemc | moshii: mail -a "From: foo@bar" |
| 09:38.42 | moshii | petemc: ah, inserting a header. Cheers :) |
| 09:38.51 | petemc | np |
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| 09:53.39 | amimusa | hello, i have ghost doubts |
| 09:54.01 | amimusa | i have my bind server running and using as DNS server for my host amimusa.net |
| 09:54.26 | amimusa | now i have stoped the DNS server, but amimusa.net is still well pointed |
| 09:54.29 | amimusa | how ?¿ |
| 09:54.35 | petemc | caching |
| 09:55.01 | idimmu | magic |
| 09:55.24 | amimusa | also, a new domain nipl.net is going to be managed by my server, but for the moment i have no created the zone. but the the domain is well resolved with my DNS server ... how ?¿ |
| 09:55.52 | amimusa | also, i stoped exim, but my server still can send emails ... how ?¿ |
| 09:56.01 | amimusa | thanks in advance to clarify this subjects |
| 09:56.27 | amimusa | please, i feel lost even if there are no practical stuffs i really want to understand these things |
| 09:56.45 | amimusa | caching i can understand |
| 09:57.00 | amimusa | but the zone i have not created yet ... how is it resolved ?¿ |
| 09:57.03 | petemc | you stopped the listening daemon, you're sending mails using the sendmail interface |
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| 10:00.42 | amimusa | i start again exim but no pop3 port listening |
| 10:00.49 | amimusa | and i can't get mails .. |
| 10:00.52 | petemc | exim doesnt do pop3 |
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| 10:01.07 | amimusa | how can i get mails then |
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| 10:01.25 | amimusa | i did it before |
| 10:01.37 | petemc | run a pop3d, or an imapd, or read the mail off the spool directly |
| 10:01.37 | petemc | etc |
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| 10:01.57 | petemc | amimusa: do you have any idea what you're doing? |
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| 10:02.16 | amimusa | yes petemc even if it doesn't look like |
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| 10:02.40 | amimusa | i am trying to unserstand somethings |
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| 10:02.47 | GreeDyloO | hello there |
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| 10:04.05 | GreeDyloO | Well i'm totally new with debian, and trying to understand a few things |
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| 10:04.20 | GreeDyloO | could somebody give me a hand on that ? |
| 10:04.43 | petemc | you would need to ask a real question first |
| 10:04.54 | GreeDyloO | :) |
| 10:05.11 | GreeDyloO | Ok, to tell the truth I just got on that new toy eeepc |
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| 10:05.57 | GreeDyloO | and I tried installing some components on that Xandros release |
| 10:06.06 | Penix | GreeDyloO: this is #debian, not #xandros |
| 10:06.18 | GreeDyloO | Isn't xandros based on debian ? |
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| 10:06.20 | Penix | !based on debian |
| 10:06.20 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 10:06.44 | GreeDyloO | ok |
| 10:06.52 | GreeDyloO | excuse me for my mistake |
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| 10:08.25 | KR-data | why won't crontab turn my computer off? |
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| 10:10.06 | WormFood | in debian sid, on the 2.6.24 kernel they removed the prism54 driver with the thought that the p54pci driver replaces it, however, the p54 driver does not support ad-hoc or AP mode...does that qualify for submitting a bug report? Technically it isn't a bug, it is just a poor choice. |
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| 10:11.58 | Penix | WormFood: I'd check the appropriate list archives before filing a bug. surely someone would've mentioned it |
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| 10:12.20 | WormFood | what is the url, so I can check? |
| 10:12.27 | Penix | url for what? |
| 10:12.40 | WormFood | appropriate list archives |
| 10:13.10 | Penix | lists.debian.org. find out which one a discussion about prism54 would've taken place |
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| 10:13.26 | Penix | on |
| 10:14.29 | WormFood | thanks |
| 10:14.49 | KR-data | did no-one see my question or is it because no-one knows the answer I got no replies? |
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| 10:15.27 | Penix | KR-data: checked your logs? |
| 10:15.40 | KR-data | in /var/log or something like that? |
| 10:15.43 | WormFood | KR-data, perhaps because you didn't instruct crontab to turn off your computer |
| 10:16.12 | KR-data | well I believe this will instruct " 00 2 * * * halt |
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| 10:16.50 | Penix | KR-data: are you trying to automate shutting down or just a one-off thing? |
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| 10:17.51 | KR-data | automate, to save some on my powerbill :) |
| 10:17.59 | my007ms_ | hoiw i can add run terminal when i right click in my desktop |
| 10:18.13 | kugitsou | when i boot the usb stick, it says "could not find kernel image: linux" |
| 10:18.15 | Penix | my007ms_: with what? gnome? |
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| 10:18.32 | my007ms_ | yes |
| 10:18.49 | kugitsou | anyone know what might be wrong? ive added both vmlinuz and the debian .iso file |
| 10:18.58 | Penix | GreeDyloO: please don't pm me. try the Xandros site or Asus |
| 10:19.06 | GreeDyloO | Ok sorry... |
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| 10:19.45 | KR-data | Penix, what logfile(s) should I look in? |
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| 10:20.01 | debian | Hello |
| 10:20.17 | debian | ferret: Where is your other channel? |
| 10:20.30 | my007ms_ | Penix, yes i am use gnome |
| 10:21.07 | kugitsou | ? |
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| 10:23.51 | WormFood | oddly enough, it does not seem that anyone has brought up on the mail list the fact the prism54 driver has been replaced with the feature lacking p54pci driver |
| 10:25.09 | Penix | WormFood: here's your chance then |
| 10:25.43 | Penix | KR-data: /var/log/syslog perhaps |
| 10:26.04 | KR-data | says the script is run, and nothing more :( |
| 10:26.06 | WormFood | I just want to confirm that it qualifies as a bug report, before trying to file a bug report |
| 10:26.18 | Penix | WormFood: yeah, I meant ask the list |
| 10:26.33 | Penix | WormFood: I think -boot might be appropriate...not sure |
| 10:26.42 | WormFood | I hate email, and try to avoid it as much as possible |
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| 10:26.51 | Penix | then deal with the breakage |
| 10:26.57 | Penix | no AP for you! |
| 10:27.06 | WormFood | fuck it! I'll just run 2.6.22 or compile my own 2.6.24 kernel |
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| 10:27.34 | Penix | WormFood: yeah, I don't see why you couldn't just rebuild the proper debian kernel source with the driver you want |
| 10:28.14 | WormFood | I wouldn't object to p54pci driver if kismet worked....but it does not work....p54pci driver finds maybe 1/2 dozen networks...the prism54 driver finds over 100 networks |
| 10:28.50 | WormFood | and it seems the p54 driver does not channel hop properly with kismet...that is why |
| 10:29.06 | WormFood | anyways....I'll go back to work now |
| 10:30.07 | konadr | i have a server with a Intel® 82801IR raid controller. I have set it up as raid1 and the controller dialogue shows the array and size, but when i try to install etch it sees two disks and not the raid :| ? Any ideas how to work around this? |
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| 10:31.21 | geggam | anyone know if there is read support for files-11 filesystem ? |
| 10:31.58 | Penix | pretty sure... |
| 10:32.28 | joltcan | konadr: My guess is that it is a software raid controller and the raiding is done in the driver, not on the card |
| 10:32.41 | Penix | hmm. maybe not |
| 10:33.07 | konadr | ohh :| so i just have to setup the raid again in etch joltcan ? |
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| 10:33.51 | Penix | geggam: http://www.vms2linux.de/ods2util.html maybe |
| 10:33.53 | joltcan | konadr: Yes, so it is proably better to remove the raiding in the bios and do it with mdadm instead |
| 10:34.17 | konadr | god that's terrible i cant believe we ordered these machines :| , thanks for the info joltcan |
| 10:34.18 | VBoi | Hi, can we configure the modem that comes built-in in a laptop in Debian? Right now gnome-ppp says No modem is detected. |
| 10:34.26 | joltcan | konadr: google on raid1 md and root install or something like that |
| 10:34.36 | konadr | ai ok, cool thanks for that |
| 10:34.45 | VBoi | !modem |
| 10:34.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, modem is (Modulator/Demodulator) A device to turn digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. <REPLY> suck |
| 10:34.49 | joltcan | konadr: Well, I'm not 100%, but if it was a hardware raid card it would just show up as a disk |
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| 10:35.19 | Penix | VBoi: most likely not. it's probably a winmodem |
| 10:35.20 | liable | http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~harry/Relay/index.html <-- pretty cool |
| 10:35.26 | geggam | Thank you Penix |
| 10:35.47 | konadr | sure you would think so eh joltcan , i will test it out with suse see if the same happens then i will know |
| 10:35.51 | VBoi | Penix: ohh.. so if its a winmodem, i can never use the buil-in modem ?? |
| 10:36.01 | VBoi | built-in* |
| 10:36.11 | bozza | hi guys .. how can i get grub back easily after reinstalling windows ? |
| 10:36.20 | Penix | VBoi: not unless there's a driver for it. support for winmodem's seems be fading over the last few years |
| 10:36.21 | VBoi | !grub |
| 10:36.21 | dpkg | well, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors> |
| 10:36.25 | Penix | VBoi: stop that |
| 10:36.25 | pmv | bozza, sure |
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| 10:36.27 | Penix | VBoi: /msg dpkg |
| 10:36.39 | VBoi | Penix: opps.. sorry :) |
| 10:36.45 | pmv | bozza, it would be nice if you still had your /boot or at least the menu.lst though |
| 10:36.56 | pmv | bozza, you can even install grub from windows |
| 10:37.05 | bozza | how can i check if its still there ? |
| 10:37.15 | pmv | if you installed windows it aint there no more |
| 10:37.21 | pmv | not in the MBR at least |
| 10:37.26 | bozza | oh .. |
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| 10:37.32 | pmv | there are some tools for making grub play nice with windows, sec |
| 10:37.40 | bozza | thanks |
| 10:37.49 | levander | What historically has the middle button down in *NIX? |
| 10:37.55 | levander | button done* |
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| 10:38.11 | pmv | well there is wingrub.. |
| 10:38.15 | levander | I'm having trouble remembering. |
| 10:38.16 | pmv | but I used something else that I liked before |
| 10:38.21 | pmv | levander, paste |
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| 10:38.30 | levander | pmv: Yeah, cool thanks. |
| 10:38.46 | bozza | wingrub ? does that support linux aswell ... haha it sounds very one sided |
| 10:39.00 | XoX | why dosen't the stock debian kernel have CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G enabled ? isn't it required for NX bit protection on the cpu to work ? |
| 10:39.04 | pmv | bozza, yeah, it just runs on windows |
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| 10:39.35 | bozza | oh so shall i install it from windows ? i am actually on a live cd right now |
| 10:40.01 | geggam | crap... i just realized tomorrow is my anniversary |
| 10:40.09 | bozza | lol |
| 10:40.12 | davedorm | flowers |
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| 10:40.17 | davedorm | don't forget flowers |
| 10:40.44 | davedorm | apt-get install flowers |
| 10:41.07 | davedorm | lol |
| 10:41.10 | bozza | pmy: should i instasll the grub from windows or linux live cd ? |
| 10:41.11 | geggam | perhaps i should pretend i got her some huge present and then claim april fools |
| 10:41.19 | geggam | plots |
| 10:41.20 | davedorm | haha |
| 10:41.27 | davedorm | you got married on april fools day |
| 10:41.39 | davedorm | makes a divorce easier, I guess... |
| 10:41.57 | pmv | bozza, you can do that too, but you should be careful it refers to the right config and kernels |
| 10:42.00 | davedorm | just claim to the judge it was an april fools |
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| 10:42.08 | geggam | yes... i was sort of kidding when i said to do it then... ive had some fun with it ... her dad about shot me when i told him we really didnt get married but i still enjoyed the honeymoon |
| 10:42.24 | davedorm | good times |
| 10:42.55 | ringo999 | hi. when trying to startx, I get the message "X: user not authorized to run the X server... xinit no such process errno 3". what to do? |
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| 10:43.07 | bozza | pmy: ni dont understand why its complicated ... when installing linux it sorts itself out .. cant it do the same here |
| 10:43.08 | geggam | install X ? |
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| 10:43.36 | ringo999 | geggam: it is installed, using root i can starx |
| 10:43.42 | ringo999 | startx |
| 10:43.46 | bozza | i used to run osx linux and windows ,, all in one .. and that was a mission in itself .. i hope this wont be |
| 10:43.59 | phorce1 | davedorm: So did I. Be married 17 years tomorrow. Of course, we discovered we didn't get along very well after 8 so we've been separated for 8.5 of those years. |
| 10:44.01 | pmv | bozza, yes you can install grub |
| 10:44.06 | pmv | from the cd |
| 10:44.18 | bozza | wil it sort itself out though ? |
| 10:44.23 | geggam | ringo999, is it a server or would you like a gui to greet you when you boot up ? |
| 10:44.28 | bozza | will it find windows and linux |
| 10:44.41 | pmv | bozza, the trouble is that grub uses information in /boot |
| 10:44.45 | pmv | which is in your linux partition |
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| 10:45.20 | bozza | so i dont see why that is a problem ? |
| 10:45.53 | pmv | bozza, the grub you install in the mbr has to refer to the linux partition |
| 10:46.03 | pmv | bozza, how does it know which the linux partition is |
| 10:46.20 | pmv | !grub |
| 10:46.20 | dpkg | well, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors> |
| 10:46.31 | bozza | well i guess its the only ext3 one |
| 10:46.40 | bozza | cant be any other one ,, can it ? |
| 10:46.41 | pmv | bozza, in all likelihood it will be fine, but read and understand the process anyway |
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| 10:46.44 | pmv | just in case |
| 10:47.04 | bozza | ok :D |
| 10:47.24 | bozza | thanks pmy |
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| 10:53.13 | bozza | do i install grub with sudo apt-get grub |
| 10:53.30 | bozza | sudo apt-get install grub even |
| 10:53.34 | bozza | or grub2? |
| 10:54.51 | ringo999 | geggam: i just want xserver with kde to start |
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| 10:57.16 | wuseldusel_ | juk says: "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libartskde.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZTv0_n56_N4Arts14StdSynthModule11autoSuspendEv" what can i do? |
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| 10:57.59 | n0mad | hi how to check is it AGPGART loaded in the kernel ? |
| 10:59.13 | geggam | ringo999, apt-get install kdm |
| 10:59.24 | pmv | n0mad, check your kern conf |
| 10:59.30 | geggam | your permissions issue should be resolved automagically |
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| 11:02.16 | Bozza | hey i am back ,, ok i am still having problems getting gtub to work |
| 11:03.28 | Bozza | ping |
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| 11:05.06 | LinuxHelp | How can I check SSH login history? |
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| 11:05.37 | petemc | LinuxHelp: you can read auth.log, or use last, lastlog etc |
| 11:05.54 | petemc | erm, not so much lastlog |
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| 11:06.34 | n0mad | pmv, isnt lsmod not so imformative ? |
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| 11:09.23 | LinuxHelp | Ok I got the time of login and logoff, but how do I check what address it came from? |
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| 11:09.58 | petemc | LinuxHelp: last -a |
| 11:10.01 | SchrodingerSloth | anyone on here got any experience of LinuxMCE? |
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| 11:11.47 | maligor | what does that have to do with debian? |
| 11:12.51 | KU0N | Is there any driver needed to use a touchscreen? (http://www.ieiworld.com/en/product_IPC.asp?model=AFL-07A-LX) |
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| 11:13.13 | KU0N | I mean, added to the built in ones. |
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| 11:19.59 | chairmeleon | hey :) does anyone know where to find cd/netinst images for Debian 2.0/hamm? |
| 11:20.11 | liable | !archive |
| 11:20.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Maybe: http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive or even http://snapshot.debian.net, or http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 11:20.40 | liable | likely to be floppies, not cd's |
| 11:21.20 | chairmeleon | ahh, no I can see the old release announcement, and they sure mention CDs. But the archives seem to contain packages only |
| 11:21.56 | liable | archive.debian.org should have images |
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| 11:28.47 | cafuego | jelly-home: yes |
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| 11:33.33 | johndoevodka | whats the best tool to convert mp3's to wav's ? |
| 11:33.46 | davedorm | Audacity |
| 11:33.48 | davedorm | :) |
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| 11:34.15 | johndoevodka | there exists audacity for linux too? |
| 11:34.30 | johndoevodka | wow |
| 11:34.32 | johndoevodka | thanks man |
| 11:34.34 | davedorm | of course :) but there are probably a host of other command line tools, too |
| 11:34.42 | davedorm | but that's what I use |
| 11:34.45 | rage | Hello, I'm trying to move my Debian installation to a new partition, however grub is still getting its menu.1st from the old partition, how do I tweak grub to get it from /dev/hda1 not /dev/hda3 |
| 11:34.45 | johndoevodka | yep, ive already found lame and mpg123 |
| 11:35.29 | jelly | cafuego: uh, my logs are on the machine at home, what was that yes in response to? |
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| 11:36.07 | MoDaX | rage: edit for ## kopt line in /boot/grub/menu.list. then run update-grub |
| 11:36.15 | MoDaX | s/for// |
| 11:38.02 | StarkD | how do you force a CD to eject? I watched a DVD and can't get out |
| 11:38.43 | rage | umount /dev/cdrom && eject /dev/cdrom |
| 11:38.48 | MoDaX | StarkD: install eject and run `eject /dev/cdrom` |
| 11:39.20 | StarkD | MoDaX: thanks! |
| 11:39.27 | StarkD | that was easy :) |
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| 11:43.51 | vy | Hi! `dot' of movitz SegFaults (regardless of the -Txxx parameter) when I try to run it over a file. Backtracing shows that dot_concentrate() causes a SIGSEGV. Any ideas? (.dot file is relatively big, 608K.) |
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| 11:57.35 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 11:57.35 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd138 is <PerfDave> tkooda: SO READ THE FUCKING MANUAL FOR THE FUCKING THING YOU'RE FUCKING WELL UPGRADING TO, YOU FUCKING MORON! |
| 11:57.45 | enouf | wow.. |
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| 12:01.20 | Haris1 | well |
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| 12:04.10 | cafuego | jelly: 17:39 #debian: < jelly-home> cafuego: did it have a bottle opener? |
| 12:04.12 | Haris1 | My problem with the debian box not accepting connections is still there |
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| 12:05.59 | enouf | ok folks, here's some Homework for ya; Smoke a nice Fat Spliff, then read this http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/640746 O_o |
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| 12:09.15 | beni- | hi. is it possible to install xen 3.1 (not 3.0) with apt-get (i'm using debian 4.0)? |
| 12:11.23 | petemc | beni-: there should be a backport |
| 12:11.42 | petemc | of the hypervisor at least, not sure if theres a kernel image |
| 12:11.55 | beni- | hm why backport? |
| 12:12.05 | petemc | etch doesnt get new software |
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| 12:12.27 | rage | backport from unstable or testing |
| 12:12.41 | petemc | im talking about backports.org |
| 12:12.48 | rage | ahhh, nm |
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| 12:13.36 | beni- | ah ok. so i'd need to ad backports to sources.list, and could then get xen from there |
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| 12:14.28 | beni- | hm backport doens't have xen 3.1 kernel. that means i have to take the 3.0 kernel from normal debian repos, right? |
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| 12:15.06 | petemc | or build your own, or perhaps use the fedora kernel |
| 12:15.08 | mosty | i have some old sarge machines that i cannot currently update to etch, but need to fix a timezone/daylight savings error. can i copy /usr/share/zoneinfo/Australia/Melbourne from an etch machine to a sarge machine safely? |
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| 12:15.51 | cedric3 | hi i want to install system-config-printer but i cant there are not debian package :( |
| 12:15.56 | rage | MoDaX: Are you still about? |
| 12:16.39 | MoDaX | rage: yes |
| 12:16.39 | cedric3 | i found this system-config-printer_0.7.81-2_all.deb but it depends to python-cups (>= 1.9.27) but i am not found this package |
| 12:16.44 | enouf | mosty: IIRC, there was a bit of a bug wuth Aussie/NZ timezone stuff? |
| 12:16.49 | enouf | mosty: check BTS |
| 12:17.05 | mosty | enouf, yes- a fix exist for etch, but not for sarge |
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| 12:17.14 | rage | No sucess, still pulls menu.lst from /dev/hda3 not /dev/hda1 |
| 12:17.50 | rage | even tried booting from a live cd, mounting /dev/hda1, chrooting to it, and then running update-grub |
| 12:17.50 | enouf | mosty: well, IINM, the tz stuff got merged more into libc6 with Etch over Sarge and base-config was removed as a user config option ?? something weid like that |
| 12:18.00 | rage | :-/ |
| 12:18.14 | enouf | mosty: "/msg dpkg dbse" see if any of those URL mention anything about it |
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| 12:18.45 | MoDaX | rage: edit the line starting with ## kopt= |
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| 12:19.19 | cedric3 | nobody have any idea? |
| 12:19.23 | rage | kopt=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 12:19.54 | rage | sorry, kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro |
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| 12:20.09 | mosty | rage, well all my etch machines have the correct time, it's just the sarge machines that i still have floating around that are wrong. i was wondering if it was possible to just copy the Melbourne files from tzdata to sarge- would that fix it? |
| 12:20.11 | x-demon | how i can make my own deb repos? |
| 12:20.21 | enouf | mosty: you could also "/msg dpkg set the time" and some of these --> Factoid search of 'tzconfig' by value (6): est ;; dst change ;; timezone ;; ntp ;; set time ;; setting time. |
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| 12:20.29 | enouf | rage: do not remove the leading # |
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| 12:20.38 | rage | I didnt |
| 12:20.48 | rage | as per the instructions in the file |
| 12:21.02 | MoDaX | rage: and how does kernel line look like? |
| 12:21.27 | enouf | rage: oh, yeah, well, go into BIOS and reorder the HDD boot priority - oh.. same HDD? then maybe reinstall grub to MBR |
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| 12:21.51 | enouf | rage: what's #groot= say? |
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| 12:22.12 | rage | You'll have to forgive any typos as I lack copy and paste at present, but root(hd0,0) and kernel /boot/ect ect root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 12:22.23 | rage | enouf groot is hd0,0 |
| 12:22.28 | rage | hda3 is hd0,2 |
| 12:22.30 | enouf | that's hda1 |
| 12:22.33 | enouf | alter that |
| 12:22.34 | rage | indeed |
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| 12:22.42 | rage | na, i want it to be hda1 |
| 12:22.47 | enouf | oh |
| 12:22.53 | rage | its current getting its info from hda3 |
| 12:22.54 | rage | :-/ |
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| 12:23.01 | rage | no idea how, some sort of magic |
| 12:23.17 | enouf | rage: check device.map |
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| 12:23.42 | rage | (hd0) /dev/hda |
| 12:23.50 | rage | Only one hdd |
| 12:24.13 | MoDaX | rage: you want it to be hda1 and it's hda1 as you pasted above |
| 12:24.29 | MoDaX | what's the problem? |
| 12:24.46 | rage | I've confirmed its getting its menu from the wrong spot, if I delete anything from hda3 or run grub and hide (hd0,2) I get a error 17 |
| 12:25.07 | MoDaX | rage: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 12:25.15 | rage | oh and as a added weirdness when it starts up it picks hda3 as the root file system |
| 12:25.21 | cedric3 | who can tell me what is the best software to install printer ? |
| 12:25.24 | rage | and yes, I've updated /etc/fstab |
| 12:25.33 | rage | okay |
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| 12:25.54 | enouf | oh, right .. ok, so, maybe reinstall grub into MBR now (or run update-grub - check /etc/kernel-img.conf that there exists this line; postrm_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub), |
| 12:26.10 | enouf | gah, wrong line, my bad |
| 12:26.36 | enouf | postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub <-- i meant that, but that's primarily for new kernel installs |
| 12:26.37 | rage | reinstalled grub, rebooting |
| 12:27.21 | rage | I think that may have worked, fsck has just decided it needs to update |
| 12:28.07 | rage | s/update/do a check/ |
| 12:28.28 | enouf | there have been changes concerning that above; $ locate grub | grep doc will list Changelogs and READMEs you should read |
| 12:29.02 | enouf | NEWs and whatnot |
| 12:29.06 | rage | okay |
| 12:29.42 | x-demon | how i can make my own deb repos? |
| 12:29.48 | my007ms | i need upgrade my xchat to be 2.8 |
| 12:30.02 | my007ms | apt-get have last one 2.6 |
| 12:30.04 | rage | I must research how to disable fsck lovely 30 mount check |
| 12:30.37 | enouf | rage: man tune2fs (for ext2/3) ,and man fstab, IIRC |
| 12:30.45 | rage | ah, ta |
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| 12:32.17 | enouf | my007ms: /msg dpkg backports , but if you are running etch and need something from sid only, that's a 'nono', and may cause many more conflicts (dependency issues) than backporting from testing only |
| 12:32.37 | rage | failure |
| 12:32.48 | rage | still getting its menu.lst from hda3 |
| 12:33.36 | enouf | x-demon: apt-ftparchive? apt-zip* ?, apt-<something> (i forget) should suffice for a small mirror/repository you can pull from |
| 12:34.12 | x-demon | enouf, go PM |
| 12:34.13 | enouf | rage: something's amuck, more info needed |
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| 12:34.57 | rage | absolutely |
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| 12:35.18 | rage | I can paste my entire menu.lst onto paste bin perhaps |
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| 12:35.58 | enouf | x-demon: please don't PM me, no need ;-) |
| 12:36.20 | rage | Just one moment, rebooting the system |
| 12:36.21 | enouf | x-demon: /msg dpkg selftell , then use that resource and locate info of what you need |
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| 12:38.54 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to install debian on a USB stick and then boot from it using just grub or lilo? |
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| 12:41.59 | rage | enouf: http://pastebin.com/m4c391749 |
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| 12:43.39 | rage | oh by the way, the windows one no longer exists, just ignore that, I must delete it |
| 12:43.56 | lunaphyte_ | what is the difference between hwclock.sh and hwclockfirst.sh? |
| 12:44.36 | rage | one of the reasons I'm shifting the drives around is because I've dumped windows and I want to absorb some of the left over space |
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| 12:46.13 | rage | once I have enough space I'll do an update :-) only 200mb is left on hda3 |
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| 12:47.29 | enouf | rage: comment out lines 67 - 71 , and/or move it way down to bottom where your MacOSX is |
| 12:47.53 | rage | okay |
| 12:48.06 | rage | I can just delete them, no longer needed |
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| 12:48.27 | enouf | you've obviously ben playing with other bootloaders and such, oh well - i'm stumped at this point though - something silly i'm overlooking, or can't think of atm |
| 12:48.48 | rage | Indeed, I'm rather confused |
| 12:48.56 | soa2ii | Hi there. How do I just install java6 on my debian etch system? Is there smth like package.keywords in gentoo? |
| 12:49.02 | rage | I've done this on other systems, I figured it was something small and silly as well :-/ |
| 12:49.50 | rage | evidently not |
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| 12:50.40 | themill | !tell soa2ii about install java |
| 12:50.57 | rage | chroot /mnt/newdrive >> ~/.bashrc ? |
| 12:51.04 | soa2ii | themill: What? |
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| 12:51.17 | rage | smirks |
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| 12:51.59 | themill | soa2ii: check the msg from dpkg |
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| 12:52.05 | __kladizkov | I didnt' know that glipper moved to a gnome.Applet...i was wondering from february why my glipper disappeared... |
| 12:52.24 | __kladizkov | all of a sudden... |
| 12:52.26 | soa2ii | themill: Yeah... but aptitude search java | grep sun just shows me Java 5 |
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| 12:53.04 | themill | soa2ii: java6 is on backports.org. (that used to be in that factoid.. will edit it... again). /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 12:53.53 | Igo1 | hallo |
| 12:53.54 | soa2ii | themill: Right... and if I put backports in my sources.list, ALL packages will be updated... won't they? |
| 12:54.18 | themill | soa2ii: not if you use pinning for them as described on the website. |
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| 12:54.38 | themill | soa2ii: With pinning in place, you can just aptitude install sun-java6-jdk (or whatever bit you need) |
| 12:54.38 | soa2ii | themill: I will see. |
| 12:55.16 | Igo1 | i need help xD |
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| 12:56.19 | Igo1 | could any1 help me? o.o |
| 12:56.21 | themill | !just ask |
| 12:56.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:56.40 | Igo1 | i'm a totally newbe concerning linux, i use debian for 2 month now... and now i'm not able to start gaim anymore |
| 12:57.04 | Igo1 | i tryed to reinstall but without succes o.o |
| 12:57.11 | Penix | Igo1: why can't you start it? what errors does it give you when you run it from a terminal? |
| 12:57.21 | Igo1 | no error |
| 12:57.28 | Penix | what does it do then? |
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| 12:57.51 | Penix | Igo1: and what did you do/change that broke it? |
| 12:57.53 | WormFood | does anyone else have problems with pidgin when using scim? After a few times of using scim, it won't let me type anything else, but the menus still work (from hitting <alt>C) and stuff like that |
| 12:58.02 | Igo1 | if i start it, the processor usage gets 100% and a blanc field appears in the pannel (where usually the gaim symbol is) |
| 12:58.04 | Penix | WormFood: #pidgin |
| 12:58.12 | WormFood | its on debian Penix |
| 12:58.28 | Penix | WormFood: so? #pidgin will still know more |
| 12:58.53 | Igo1 | i'm using gaim? |
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| 12:59.14 | Penix | Igo1: what happens when you right click on the 'blanc field'? |
| 12:59.17 | jaggy- | how do I get sourcecode packages using aptitude? |
| 12:59.24 | dimir | Igo1: remove package gaim and install package pidgin |
| 12:59.31 | dimir | Igo1: do you know how to do it? |
| 12:59.34 | Penix | jaggy-: same way you do with apt-get, aptitude source <package> |
| 12:59.38 | jaggy- | thanks |
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| 12:59.44 | Igo1 | i'm not using lenny cuz of n'vidia kernel |
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| 13:00.01 | jaggy- | it doesn't work |
| 13:00.22 | Penix | jaggy-: do you have a deb-src line in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 13:00.29 | jaggy- | apt-get source works |
| 13:00.36 | dimir | Igo1: Oh, I see. |
| 13:00.53 | jaggy- | which is fine for this as there are no auto-dependencies |
| 13:01.09 | Penix | hmm. yeah, doesn't seem to be a source function. spose it makes sense |
| 13:01.11 | jaggy- | can I go through and mark packages as "auto-installed"? |
| 13:01.26 | Penix | eh? |
| 13:01.31 | jaggy- | I installed a lot of stuff which I'd love to be managed well |
| 13:01.35 | dimir | I could suggest trying strace to Igo1 but now to thing he only is with penguin for 2 months... |
| 13:01.44 | jaggy- | and I did it before knowing about "aptitude" (specifically)'s better managing methods |
| 13:01.59 | Igo1 | sometimes the same problem is with a-mule.. but after restarting the machine a-mule works again... |
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| 13:02.08 | jaggy- | what's lgo having a problem with? |
| 13:02.24 | Penix | jaggy-: 'auto-installed' as in, install all recommended/suggested packages? |
| 13:02.24 | Igo1 | gaim |
| 13:02.44 | jaggy- | Penix, yeah.. all the stuff that came along with all the stuff I was merely testing out :) |
| 13:02.51 | jaggy- | igo, what's wrong with gaim? |
| 13:02.58 | jaggy- | switch to pidgin if you can.. but what's the problem? |
| 13:03.14 | Penix | jaggy-: if you mean you want to remove uneeded dependencies from packages you've removed, aptitude does that |
| 13:03.15 | jaggy- | dimir, ie. what's the prob that he might need strace? |
| 13:03.25 | Penix | pidgin isn't in etch. etch has what is technically pidgin |
| 13:03.48 | Igo1 | i'm not able tu run it! if i start it the processor usage gets 100% and nothing happens ... and pidgin is not avileable cuz im not using the lenny packages |
| 13:03.54 | jaggy- | Penix, so even if they weren't installed with aptitude it tracks if they don't have dependencies? |
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| 13:04.11 | Penix | Igo1: have you even tried running it from a terminal? we can't help you without some sort of error |
| 13:04.12 | dimir | jaggy-: ever heard of backports? |
| 13:04.48 | Igo1 | there is nothing gonna happen there.. the terminal says nothing |
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| 13:05.01 | dimir | oops, sorry that was for Igo1 |
| 13:05.07 | Penix | Igo1: but does it exit back to a shell prompt or just keep running? |
| 13:05.08 | dimir | igo1: ever heard of backports? |
| 13:05.21 | Penix | forget backports. gaim was *supposed* to have been working before |
| 13:05.26 | Igo1 | no.. as i said, i'm totally newbe :-[ |
| 13:05.27 | jaggy- | yeah.. backports are.. packages being created for "older" versions of the OS |
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| 13:05.41 | jaggy- | I went with etch when I installed a month ago.. was that a mistake? |
| 13:05.50 | Penix | jaggy-: no. not at all |
| 13:05.53 | jaggy- | I thought I was going with a "stable" ie non-beta system |
| 13:05.56 | Penix | jaggy-: it's the supported stable release |
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| 13:06.05 | fireba11 | jaggy- : that's correct |
| 13:06.09 | Igo1 | the terminal keeps blank after that |
| 13:06.12 | dimir | Igo1: backports have pidgin, you might try that: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php it's all there, how to add the repository and how to use it. |
| 13:06.28 | Penix | Igo1: blank how? it doesn't return to a prompt after you run 'gaim'? |
| 13:06.30 | jaggy- | but.. why use strace on gaim? |
| 13:06.40 | Penix | jaggy-: to find out why it's crashing (if it is) |
| 13:06.40 | Igo1 | but why is it now?? it worked abaout 4 weeks without problems o.o |
| 13:06.44 | dimir | jaggy-: to see what is eating all the resources. |
| 13:06.56 | jaggy- | gaim begins to suck up memory |
| 13:07.02 | Penix | Igo1: we don't know. answer our questions and do as we ask and we might be able to help |
| 13:07.29 | Igo1 | okay :). then i'll try the stuff with the backports |
| 13:07.33 | Penix | *sigh* |
| 13:07.37 | dimir | Igo1: thirst thing you can try is starting it from console and see if it sends any useful messages out. |
| 13:07.41 | Penix | don't know why I bother. friggin sundays |
| 13:07.45 | becki | but why should he use pidgin? pidgin would be in stable instead of gaim if gaim would have such problems pidgin doesn't have, or not? |
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| 13:08.07 | dimir | s/thirst/first/ :-D |
| 13:08.16 | jaggy- | gaim is really old by this time |
| 13:08.29 | Igo1 | the console stays blank after that |
| 13:08.30 | Eulex | becki, not necessarily |
| 13:08.40 | dimir | Igo1: try: strace gaim |
| 13:09.03 | dimir | Igo1: if strace command not available, install it. |
| 13:09.22 | Igo1 | it's available.. |
| 13:09.32 | Igo1 | i think.. he writes a lott o.o |
| 13:09.38 | dimir | Igo1: it will output a lot of things, so you might want to output it to a file instead with: strace gaim >gaim.log 2>&1 |
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| 13:10.22 | dimir | Igo1: you can paste some relevant part of output out on pastebin.com . |
| 13:10.24 | wfq | hi guys |
| 13:10.26 | dimir | And give us the link. |
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| 13:10.31 | dimir | hoi wfq |
| 13:11.22 | Igo1 | if i'm typing "strace gaim >gaim.log 2>&1" nothing happens |
| 13:11.38 | dimir | ye, all output goes to gaim.log file in current directory. |
| 13:11.41 | dimir | Just wait. |
| 13:11.48 | Xilent | strace -o debug.log xyz |
| 13:11.51 | Igo1 | but the cpu is at 100% again |
| 13:11.57 | dimir | And when things start to ge bad you can Ctrl+C. |
| 13:11.59 | wfq | in theory for keeping running a daemon without taking the console, it should be launched "daemon &"? |
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| 13:12.30 | pmv | wfq, that puts the process in background, but usually services should be started cleanly with an init.d script |
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| 13:12.50 | dimir | wfq: ye. You might want to 'disown' it also to detach it from terminal completely. |
| 13:13.34 | wfq | pmw yes but I need to write an skeleton for it, |
| 13:13.45 | sami | I just created an install cd with my own repository and added a preseed for an unattended install. When i boot the damned thing is work til it checks Release. "Error reading release file "unable to determine distribution"" |
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| 13:14.13 | wfq | dimir, in my case it still 'owning' the terminal, I mean the shell is not available any more |
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| 13:14.50 | dimir | wfq: you may want to try: nohup thing & |
| 13:15.09 | Igo1 | there#s still nothing happening and if i wait much longer my cpu will melt down o.O |
| 13:15.22 | pmv | wfq, you mean it still outputs to the terminal? |
| 13:15.43 | wfq | pmw, yes it is... |
| 13:15.46 | dimir | Igo1: did the file gaim.log appear in your directory? |
| 13:15.54 | pmv | wfq, or do you mean that the terminal actually waits on it, and you cannot use the terminal normally? |
| 13:15.55 | becki | type 'cat gaim.log' in another terminal, you'll see there is the output, so you could kill gaim and read through the log |
| 13:16.19 | Igo1 | there's a file called gaim.log.. yes |
| 13:16.31 | wfq | pmw. the latter though dimir's solution it seems to work |
| 13:16.44 | pmv | wfq, even when you do &? |
| 13:16.49 | pmv | wfq, show actual command |
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| 13:17.37 | dimir | wfq: beware, it will create output to the nohup.out :-P |
| 13:17.40 | wfq | pmw, mongrel_rails start & |
| 13:18.10 | dimir | wfq: I don't know what exactly you are doing but if you intend to use nohup, make sure you read it's man page. |
| 13:18.36 | dimir | wfq: if you don't care about the output you can send it to /dev/null . |
| 13:18.52 | wfq | dimir, ok. Thanks. |
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| 13:19.46 | aNOOBisa | can anybody tell me what the sid distri stands for? |
| 13:19.48 | Igo1 | the logfile is confusing o.o |
| 13:20.14 | aNOOBisa | I am just installing sidux |
| 13:20.47 | becki | aNOOBisa, sid stands for "sid is dangerous" and/or "still in develpment" |
| 13:20.56 | aNOOBisa | I see |
| 13:21.02 | becki | its unstable |
| 13:21.27 | hark | !sid |
| 13:21.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 13:21.33 | WormFood | aNOOBisa, the different branches of debian are named after characters in the movie "toy story" |
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| 13:22.01 | aNOOBisa | tada |
| 13:22.02 | aNOOBisa | thanks |
| 13:22.10 | WormFood | I don't call it "unstable"...I call it "unusable" |
| 13:22.13 | WormFood | heed the warning |
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| 13:22.21 | aNOOBisa | hehe |
| 13:22.27 | WormFood | if you don't want to fix your system every time you upgrade, don't run sid |
| 13:22.29 | aNOOBisa | well it won't hurt |
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| 13:22.32 | aNOOBisa | muuuch |
| 13:22.38 | WormFood | trust me...I know...I run sid |
| 13:22.48 | aNOOBisa | well I am just trying itout |
| 13:22.53 | aNOOBisa | on a vm |
| 13:22.56 | WormFood | http://www.pixar.com/featurefilms/ts/chars_pop9.html |
| 13:23.03 | aNOOBisa | so it won't hurt muuuch |
| 13:23.03 | WormFood | aNOOBisa, look at that url for sid |
| 13:23.11 | aNOOBisa | okay thanks |
| 13:23.27 | aNOOBisa | oh its that mean kid |
| 13:23.39 | WormFood | has never seen the movie |
| 13:23.47 | kryptoz | hi all |
| 13:24.20 | WormFood | good evening kryptoz |
| 13:24.29 | kryptoz | I installed debian on my laptop (dell) and it doesnt detect my network device ( Broadcom). I see it in the lspci, but drivers are not there |
| 13:24.57 | kryptoz | I went to broadcom site and downloaded a tgz which they say is the driver source. as per the readme.txt, i did a make and it doesnt.. |
| 13:25.02 | dimir | Igo1: paste it to pastebin.com |
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| 13:25.19 | kryptoz | can anyone help me with this network trouble please ? |
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| 13:25.33 | becki | kryptoz, AFAIK you need a firmware to use you broadcom. its a wireless cars? |
| 13:25.35 | becki | dard* |
| 13:25.38 | becki | card* |
| 13:25.40 | becki | sry |
| 13:26.05 | kryptoz | its not wireless.. its the wired .. |
| 13:26.12 | hark | kryptoz: does "ifconfig -a" show the interface? |
| 13:26.14 | WormFood | kryptoz, what does dmesg or your log file say about it? |
| 13:26.15 | rcbarnes | Is there a way to get the mime-type from a file using just the file, say from the magic numbers + extension? |
| 13:26.25 | kryptoz | hark: no it doesnt |
| 13:26.38 | Igo1 | now i posted the log on pastebin.com |
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| 13:26.45 | WormFood | rcbarnes, this is not windows, the extensions don't mean crap on a linux system |
| 13:26.51 | hark | kryptoz: what does lspci -n |grep 0200 give? |
| 13:26.52 | amphi | rcbarnes: you can perhaps do something with file(1) |
| 13:27.11 | my007ms | why firefox is use under Iceweasel name in debian |
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| 13:27.34 | pmv | !iceweasel |
| 13:27.34 | dpkg | iceweasel is probably the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 13:27.45 | kryptoz | dmesg, shows the broadcom device but no errors no info also ... |
| 13:27.52 | joltcan | my007ms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel |
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| 13:28.12 | hark | rcbarnes: "gnomevfs-info foo" if you have it |
| 13:28.38 | rcbarnes | WormFood: Yes, but, for example, odt and zip both have the same magic numbers. I'm not an idiot. |
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| 13:28.52 | soa2ii_ | How can I automatically install unstable dependencies from a pinned software? |
| 13:29.04 | soa2ii_ | aptitude --target unstable install sun-java6-jdk |
| 13:29.10 | soa2ii_ | Does not work. |
| 13:29.17 | WormFood | rcbarnes, but you can still never rely on the extension....even on a winblows system |
| 13:29.19 | rahsputin | Hello, i have a NEC Model: UF0002 USB Floppy Drive. mount and lsusb: http://rafb.net/p/JWfV3i34.html how do i get it started or is it not supported ? |
| 13:29.26 | hark | soa2ii_: install from backports instead |
| 13:29.40 | rcbarnes | amphi: I didn't think file would do it, but you're right. |
| 13:29.47 | soa2ii_ | hark: I've put unstable in my sources.list |
| 13:29.48 | rcbarnes | hark: I don't have it :-P, but thanks. |
| 13:29.59 | soa2ii_ | and some pinning in my preferences |
| 13:30.23 | soa2ii_ | stable is still the normal system... i just want java 6 from unstable |
| 13:31.00 | my007ms | sorry i was use to install java from rpm |
| 13:31.07 | rcbarnes | WormFood: Agreed. |
| 13:31.15 | my007ms | can someone guide me to good URL how to install Java in debian |
| 13:31.27 | my007ms | !java |
| 13:31.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 13:31.31 | WormFood | my007ms, sun.com? |
| 13:31.36 | hark | my007ms: /msg dpkg install java |
| 13:31.37 | aNOOBisa | which version |
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| 13:31.51 | rahsputin | !tell my007ms | java |
| 13:32.02 | aNOOBisa | get non-free in your sources list my007 |
| 13:32.15 | aNOOBisa | and search for apt-get sun-java5 |
| 13:32.23 | rahsputin | install ^^^ |
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| 13:32.35 | rahsputin | search show ^^^^ |
| 13:32.41 | rahsputin | Hello, i have a NEC Model: UF0002 USB Floppy Drive. mount and lsusb: http://rafb.net/p/JWfV3i34.html how do i get it started or is it not supported ? |
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| 13:32.50 | aNOOBisa | well first search for the version you want |
| 13:33.16 | aNOOBisa | my007 do you want jdk |
| 13:33.26 | aNOOBisa | or jre |
| 13:33.26 | rahsputin | jre |
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| 13:34.01 | aNOOBisa | aptitude install sun-java5-jre |
| 13:34.18 | dmilith | 6 should be faster |
| 13:34.32 | erik__ | I have a dual boot system with etch2 and WinXP. Durint boot, the system spends a lot of time waiting, probably checking out the XP disk. Here is a portion of GRUB's menu.lst: http://pastebin.com/d3ab089cb. Can I speed up with 'rootnoverify' somewhere in menu.lst ? if so , where ? |
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| 13:36.32 | my007ms | aNOOBisa i need to make Java apps work in firefox/Iceweasel |
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| 13:37.00 | rahsputin | Hello, i have a NEC Model: UF0002 USB Floppy Drive. mount and lsusb: http://rafb.net/p/JWfV3i34.html |
| 13:37.12 | rahsputin | how do i get it to mount ? |
| 13:37.12 | my007ms | so do i need jre or jdk |
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| 13:37.23 | rahsputin | jre |
| 13:37.54 | aNOOBisa | need jre my007 |
| 13:38.58 | my007ms | i install it now do i will have to install plugin or something |
| 13:39.24 | aNOOBisa | it should be okaz |
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| 13:39.31 | my007ms | there is sun-java5-jre-plugin |
| 13:39.44 | aNOOBisa | mhh pligin for what |
| 13:40.30 | my007ms | i don't know i see it when i do apt-cache search java |
| 13:40.59 | aNOOBisa | i just found a site that recommended it |
| 13:42.02 | abrotman | my007ms: the sun-java5-jre-plugin should work with iceweasel |
| 13:42.15 | n0mad | can somebody help alitle bit with conky cfg ? canot make hds read writes - to show http://pastebin.com/d706913f (and at all those diskio_r*w not works), ? |
| 13:42.34 | abrotman | rahsputin: usb mass storage device .. not sure if you need anything else .. can you install usbmgr ? |
| 13:42.37 | my007ms | abrotman there is only sun-java5-plugin not sun-java5-jre-plugin |
| 13:42.52 | abrotman | my007ms: do you have contrib and non-free sources in your sources.list? |
| 13:43.09 | rahsputin | abrotman, i'll check |
| 13:44.18 | my007ms | abrotman i have only this 2 line |
| 13:44.19 | my007ms | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 13:44.19 | my007ms | deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free |
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| 13:44.45 | aNOOBisa | just get the java-plugin |
| 13:44.56 | abrotman | my007ms: that shuld be enough ... `aptitude update && aptitude search java5` |
| 13:45.14 | abrotman | !depends sun-java5-plugin |
| 13:45.18 | abrotman | !depends sun-java5-plugin etch |
| 13:45.20 | dpkg | sun-java5-plugin: depends on libasound2, libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxp6, libxt6, libxtst6, sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-15-1), xulrunner-1.9 |
| 13:45.21 | dpkg | sun-java5-plugin: depends on libasound2, libx11-6, libxext6, libxi6, libxp6, libxt6, libxtst6, sun-java5-bin (= 1.5.0-14-1etch1), mozilla-firefox | mozilla-snapshot | firefox | iceweasel | mozilla-firefox | iceape-browser | mozilla-browser | epiphany-browser | galeon | konqueror | midbrowser | xulrunner |
| 13:45.28 | rahsputin | abrotman, ok hab installiert |
| 13:45.34 | abrotman | hab? |
| 13:45.40 | rahsputin | s |
| 13:45.43 | aNOOBisa | german |
| 13:45.43 | abrotman | rahsputin: try to unplug/replug the device |
| 13:45.45 | aNOOBisa | :) |
| 13:45.51 | aNOOBisa | for I have installed it |
| 13:46.21 | rahsputin | abrotman, sorry bout that ;) ... i just install usbmgr |
| 13:46.34 | my007ms | Oops i see it's remove much things now |
| 13:46.38 | ampex | anyone know what /etc/shadow- is? is it a backup of /etc/shadow ? |
| 13:46.39 | rahsputin | unpluged/repluged |
| 13:46.57 | abrotman | rahsputin: check dmesg to see if it said anything new |
| 13:47.01 | abrotman | ampex: i believe so |
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| 13:48.46 | aNOOBisa | what did it remove my007 |
| 13:49.11 | aNOOBisa | Saibot13 |
| 13:49.13 | my007ms | aNOOBisa http://rafb.net/p/3vNr4112.html |
| 13:49.26 | my007ms | when i install sun-java5 |
| 13:49.29 | aNOOBisa | are you here? |
| 13:49.35 | my007ms | i find it's start remove all this |
| 13:49.39 | my007ms | why this happen |
| 13:49.46 | rahsputin | abrotman, dmesg : http://rafb.net/p/FfvNHr76.html |
| 13:49.58 | rahsputin | all the way at the bottom it is |
| 13:50.05 | abrotman | rahsputin: so your floppy is /dev/sda |
| 13:50.08 | aNOOBisa | you uninstalled gnome |
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| 13:50.35 | rahsputin | cool, thanks ;) |
| 13:50.40 | aNOOBisa | might have been that you had a previous apt command that you didn't want to execute |
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| 13:50.50 | rahsputin | abrotman, ;) |
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| 13:50.58 | Daveman | Good morning, abrotman :) |
| 13:51.02 | my007ms | aNOOBisa i don't all i do was aptitude install sun-java5 |
| 13:51.03 | abrotman | HI DAVEMAN! |
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| 13:51.11 | aNOOBisa | you sure |
| 13:51.12 | aNOOBisa | ? |
| 13:51.14 | my007ms | yes i was use apt-get |
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| 13:51.38 | aNOOBisa | it prolly also told you that there were some packages that needed to be removed additionally |
| 13:51.44 | aNOOBisa | and you said yes |
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| 13:52.05 | my007ms | and why java need to remove zip for example |
| 13:52.35 | aNOOBisa | It does not need to remove zip |
| 13:52.36 | grand_grunt | Mhh.. does somebody knows if the M$ "Open XML" is a ISO now? |
| 13:52.40 | aNOOBisa | it was a mistake on zour side |
| 13:52.43 | aNOOBisa | your side |
| 13:52.45 | grand_grunt | I can't find out the info |
| 13:52.56 | aNOOBisa | you didn't want to remove gnome |
| 13:52.59 | aNOOBisa | did you |
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| 13:53.13 | aNOOBisa | or are you using kde or just comand line |
| 13:53.13 | my007ms | no |
| 13:53.22 | my007ms | just command line |
| 13:53.33 | abrotman | !enter |
| 13:53.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 13:53.44 | abrotman | grand_grunt: probably better to check the news websites than dorks on IRC :) |
| 13:53.50 | aNOOBisa | what exactly do you want to do 007 |
| 13:53.52 | Neeesat | Can someone help please? I want to call a script in a debain PC from the command line of a deferent PC in the network without the need of a password. |
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| 13:54.26 | grand_grunt | abrotman: I have checked on websites |
| 13:54.31 | abrotman | Neeesat: use keys |
| 13:54.33 | grand_grunt | And saw many FUD |
| 13:54.33 | my007ms | aNOOBisa i think java now installed. but i can not understand why it's remove gnome |
| 13:54.46 | abrotman | my007ms: aptitude install gnome |
| 13:54.52 | aNOOBisa | thats aptitude |
| 13:54.56 | abrotman | my007ms: you should likely be using aptitude .. not apt-get |
| 13:54.57 | my007ms | ops aNOOBisa i do reboot and now i have only command line :( |
| 13:55.12 | aNOOBisa | well gnome is gone |
| 13:55.14 | Neeesat | Keys? |
| 13:55.18 | aNOOBisa | you deinstalled it |
| 13:55.22 | abrotman | Neeesat: google "ssh keys" |
| 13:55.30 | my007ms | abrotman i was use apt-get all the time. i use aptitude only once when i install java |
| 13:55.32 | abrotman | my007ms: aptitude install gnome xorg gdm |
| 13:55.40 | aNOOBisa | aptitude install gnome would bring it back |
| 13:55.43 | abrotman | my007ms: right .. use aptitude from now on unless you have a better reason |
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| 13:56.02 | abrotman | my007ms: aptitude install gnome xorg gdm |
| 13:56.08 | aNOOBisa | abrot |
| 13:56.14 | abrotman | i have a whole name |
| 13:56.30 | aNOOBisa | excusee abrotman |
| 13:56.51 | aNOOBisa | what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude |
| 13:56.54 | my007ms | so from now and up i have to use aptitude OR apt-get. I can not use both in the same time right ? |
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| 13:57.09 | abrotman | aNOOBisa: quite a bit |
| 13:57.18 | aNOOBisa | well that is why I am asking |
| 13:57.20 | aNOOBisa | :) |
| 13:57.29 | aNOOBisa | I asume that it is quite a bit |
| 13:57.33 | grick | hi people, is it possible to run some process with a fixed group id? If yes, is it possible from /etc/crontab? |
| 13:57.35 | abrotman | my007ms: use aptitude in almost all cases .. it will be rare that you will use apt-get now |
| 13:57.40 | abrotman | aNOOBisa: lay off the enter key |
| 13:57.52 | abrotman | !tell aNOOBisa about why aptitude |
| 13:58.05 | aNOOBisa | k |
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| 13:58.47 | abrotman | grick: the default group id ? |
| 13:58.55 | my007ms | abrotman oki i my problem is over but do u mind explain why when i use aptitude after i was use apt-get it's remove gnome |
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| 14:00.11 | grick | abrotman: a group choosed by me, but i can misunderstand the very meaning of process group |
| 14:00.21 | babilen | my007ms: one major difference between apt-get and aptitude is how they deal with package dependencies. aptitude removes (automatically installed) packages if you deinstall the last package that depends on them |
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| 14:01.28 | kryptoz | I have a broadcom 57xx ethernet and Inter/Pro wireless 3945 .. installed debian etch and both are not working .. can anyone help me get any one of this up ? |
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| 14:02.13 | helo | is this a laptop? |
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| 14:02.39 | kryptoz | yeah this is a laptop .. |
| 14:02.41 | jaggy- | bbl |
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| 14:03.09 | my007ms | thanks babilen |
| 14:03.16 | kryptoz | I just screwed my windows partition and the display is 800x600, no network works :( |
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| 14:03.33 | vvd | grick: you can change group for a cmd with "sg <group> -c cmd" |
| 14:04.08 | abrotman | !tell kryptoz about kmuto |
| 14:04.27 | abrotman | !tell my007ms about why aptitude |
| 14:05.44 | aNOOBisa | how do I use the "dpkg"-bot for communication in this irc chat abrotman |
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| 14:06.49 | abrotman | !tell aNOOBisa about help |
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| 14:07.18 | aNOOBisa | just did exactly that ;) |
| 14:07.23 | biotrox | what is the difference between debian and ubuntu...? |
| 14:07.30 | biotrox | which is more powerful..? |
| 14:07.31 | abrotman | biotrox: ask #ubuntu |
| 14:07.36 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 14:07.36 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 14:07.37 | eth01 | !ubuntu |
| 14:07.37 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 14:07.56 | biotrox | if i want to develop zimbra.. |
| 14:08.04 | biotrox | debian is stable enough..? |
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| 14:08.36 | abrotman | biotrox: i'd ask the zimbra people |
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| 14:09.12 | biotrox | well i want to know debian user think about zimbra as mail server on debian |
| 14:09.19 | biotrox | can't do that here..? |
| 14:09.34 | abrotman | i'm sure it's fine, but zimbra isn't in debian |
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| 14:10.05 | cusco | hi... Im having a few problems with cdrom... |
| 14:10.09 | grick | vvd: thank you. i have to use this also in crontab? You know some way to make this runtime group change permanent? |
| 14:10.09 | biotrox | i am interested in debian.. that's why i came to this channel |
| 14:10.36 | biotrox | and i want to know about compatibility in the server software |
| 14:10.44 | abrotman | biotrox: i know people that use zimbra on etch, but that's all i can really say |
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| 14:11.11 | biotrox | hmm so user in here use debian for..? and with what,...? if i may know.. :P |
| 14:11.20 | cusco | http://rafb.net/p/CHssau69.html this is dmesg output and eject output |
| 14:11.57 | biotrox | and i want to know what is the main reason people in here use debian |
| 14:12.00 | abrotman | biotrox: tons of stuff .. |
| 14:12.07 | biotrox | such as..? |
| 14:12.16 | abrotman | biotrox: i use it on servers, workstations, and laptops |
| 14:12.24 | vvd | grick: for all crontabs in /etc/cron.* ? |
| 14:12.26 | nkuttler | debian - the universal os |
| 14:12.28 | kryptoz | abrotman: thank you for that link.. but that means again I have to download a package.. unfortunately I am on a dialup now.. is there any other way to get either (bcm/tg3) or ipw to work ? |
| 14:12.42 | biotrox | abrotman, what kind of server did you deploy..? |
| 14:12.42 | cusco | biotrox: for me... it works with very little thinkering |
| 14:12.50 | abrotman | kryptoz: you could download the ISO from windows? |
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| 14:12.57 | abrotman | biotrox: many different ones |
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| 14:13.11 | kryptoz | I have a dial up right now. it will take ages :( is there any other way ? |
| 14:13.16 | grick | vvd: only for single lines in /etc/crontab (such as the crontab user specification) |
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| 14:13.27 | biotrox | if i want to build mail server what software do you suggest..? |
| 14:13.33 | biotrox | in debian of course |
| 14:13.34 | abrotman | kryptoz: how did you get the etch ISO to start with? |
| 14:13.50 | abrotman | biotrox: depends on the goals of the mail server. I use postfix/cyrus |
| 14:13.57 | biotrox | ooo |
| 14:13.59 | kryptoz | it was downloaded at office.. and i took it |
| 14:14.05 | biotrox | u use cacti to abrotman..? |
| 14:14.17 | kryptoz | right now I am at home.. |
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| 14:14.24 | kryptoz | with only dialup... |
| 14:14.25 | abrotman | biotrox: i could if i wanted to i suppose |
| 14:14.33 | biotrox | sorry if i ask a lot of question.. |
| 14:14.42 | biotrox | i just need many information |
| 14:14.51 | biotrox | i'm reviewing what i want to use |
| 14:14.52 | vvd | grick: newgrp maybe |
| 14:14.54 | abrotman | kryptoz: you can add backports.org to your sources.list and download a new kernel over dialup (if your dialup works in linux, or we can tell you how to do it in windows) |
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| 14:15.25 | biotrox | how about if i want to build vpn server.. |
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| 14:15.40 | biotrox | what software should i use in debian..? and what version of debian..? |
| 14:15.40 | abrotman | there is openvpn |
| 14:15.45 | abrotman | !info openvpn etch |
| 14:15.48 | dpkg | openvpn: (Virtual Private Network daemon), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0.9-4etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 329 kB, Installed size: 896 kB |
| 14:15.50 | kryptoz | it doesnt work in the laptop, in my friends computer it works |
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| 14:16.05 | biotrox | oke.. how about the CA..? |
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| 14:16.18 | abrotman | kryptoz: you could go to backports.org and download the linux-image that is appropriate for your laptop |
| 14:16.21 | biotrox | is it included in openvpn..? |
| 14:16.21 | kryptoz | so if I can download something (small - like the tg3 source) and copy to mine |
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| 14:16.35 | abrotman | biotrox: you'd read the openvpn documentation |
| 14:16.39 | kryptoz | abrotman: thank you let me check the site |
| 14:16.42 | biotrox | k |
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| 14:17.10 | biotrox | what should i use for building proxy..? squid ..? |
| 14:17.25 | biotrox | abrotman, sorry for the trouble .. |
| 14:17.36 | biotrox | please bare with me for a moment |
| 14:17.38 | biotrox | :D |
| 14:18.04 | biotrox | can't i use iproute2 in debian..? |
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| 14:19.57 | pmv | bare with you :) |
| 14:20.16 | joltcan | biotrox: apt-get install iproute |
| 14:20.18 | abrotman | biotrox: yes you can |
| 14:20.55 | biotrox | ooooo oke |
| 14:21.14 | biotrox | is it the same like fedora, mandriva, ubuntu, etc..? the setting i mean.. |
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| 14:21.28 | abrotman | probably pretty close |
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| 14:22.53 | cusco | please.... I having troubles with cdrom.. not sure what! will somebody read the dmesg output? -- http://rafb.net/p/CHssau69.html |
| 14:23.01 | sami | I just created an install cd with my own repository and added a preseed for an unattended install. When i boot the damned thing is work til it checks Release. "Error reading release file "unable to determine distribution"" |
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| 14:23.40 | cusco | the error seems to be self explanatory sami :p |
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| 14:24.18 | sami | cusco: I'v been on this thing since 9 this morning. |
| 14:24.46 | sami | cusco: Give me a hint :) |
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| 14:25.12 | aNOOBisa | try different device |
| 14:25.29 | fireba11 | hi .. i'm considdering of using a dnsbl for my exim4 .. can someone point me to a good how-to ? want to only add some extra headers for testing for now .. |
| 14:26.16 | debian | biotrox: I'm stable:P |
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| 14:26.29 | biotrox | owh... |
| 14:26.32 | biotrox | debian can talk |
| 14:26.34 | biotrox | :D |
| 14:26.37 | biotrox | cool |
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| 14:27.28 | cusco | sami: sorry I never set my own mirror but it looks like you haven't set the dist - etch sarge lenny ... |
| 14:28.45 | cusco | sami: that is probably on the release file |
| 14:28.55 | sami | cusco: In which file? Release is a self generative file from apt-ftparchive |
| 14:30.54 | debian | biotrox: Stable enouf for what? |
| 14:30.54 | cusco | sorry sami I dunno then... perhaps take a look at what apt-ftparchive generates.. |
| 14:31.00 | abrotman | cusco: bad cable or dying drive? |
| 14:31.04 | enouf | ? |
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| 14:31.14 | biotrox | stable enough for server |
| 14:31.36 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:31.39 | biotrox | i've heard that debian is more powerfull then any distro in the world, is it too much.. |
| 14:31.41 | biotrox | :P |
| 14:32.16 | debian | biotrox: Stable enouf for what? |
| 14:32.22 | _haxi_ | is there a console command who can give many infos about a .mp3 file? |
| 14:32.24 | debian | Sorry |
| 14:32.24 | hoxu | still does not correct your typing mistakes though |
| 14:32.30 | Enfi|ade | debian is so powerful that it may cause your server to spontaneously combust |
| 14:32.47 | enouf | no worries |
| 14:32.58 | abrotman | _haxi_: many |
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| 14:33.07 | biotrox | :P |
| 14:33.10 | biotrox | really... |
| 14:33.15 | _haxi_ | ok tell me one of them, I want a simple thing |
| 14:33.17 | biotrox | combust till explode..? |
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| 14:33.43 | _haxi_ | except `file` |
| 14:33.53 | petemc | why not file? |
| 14:33.59 | biotrox | heheh I've gone to debian.org |
| 14:33.59 | Neeesat | abrotman: thanks man. ssh keys did the trick |
| 14:34.07 | biotrox | it's so big |
| 14:34.11 | biotrox | 21 CD |
| 14:34.14 | biotrox | hehehe |
| 14:34.22 | enouf | heh; > So we could do: > > config foo > tristate "do you want foo?" > depends on USB && BAR > module > obj-$(CONFIG_FOO) += foo.o > foo-y := file1.o file2.o > help > foo will allow you to explode your PC |
| 14:34.33 | biotrox | + update 4 CDs |
| 14:34.37 | biotrox | 25 CD |
| 14:34.44 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 14:34.44 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 14:34.48 | biotrox | how am i gonna donlod them all...? |
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| 14:35.06 | biotrox | buy one ... |
| 14:35.11 | biotrox | not enough money |
| 14:35.12 | biotrox | :P |
| 14:35.20 | joltcan | biotrox: download the netinstal (150MB) and just install the stuff you need |
| 14:35.31 | biotrox | netinstall..? |
| 14:35.36 | _haxi_ | petemc: I want the length |
| 14:35.36 | biotrox | just an image |
| 14:35.42 | biotrox | basic.. image..? |
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| 14:36.38 | joltcan | biotrox: Ok. So the first thing you should do is to head over to debian.org and read the official installation. We don't want to go through everything here when it is already written down. |
| 14:37.48 | biotrox | oke oke |
| 14:37.53 | biotrox | thanks all |
| 14:38.15 | biotrox | need some guidance when i use debian |
| 14:38.17 | biotrox | :P |
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| 14:39.26 | joltcan | biotrox: We understand that. We are all children in the beginning. But read the documentation for initial guidance |
| 14:39.56 | biotrox | but i'm no children |
| 14:40.00 | biotrox | i'm just a baby |
| 14:40.03 | biotrox | :D |
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| 14:52.35 | alesan | hi what is the recommended way to keep track of the time from the internet and be a local time server for the LAN? |
| 14:52.35 | alesan | what should I install? |
| 14:52.51 | enouf | ntp ? |
| 14:53.02 | enouf | ntpserver? |
| 14:53.14 | Flash_ | ntp |
| 14:53.19 | k-man__ | ntp |
| 14:53.27 | enouf | !ntp |
| 14:53.27 | dpkg | from memory, ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 14:53.28 | biotrox | thanks for the tip guys |
| 14:53.32 | biotrox | c u |
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| 14:59.10 | alesan | thanks |
| 14:59.10 | alesan | where do I set the global timezone. In my system there is no tzconfig |
| 14:59.17 | alesan | is it enough to write it into /etc/timezone? |
| 14:59.26 | abhi | is it possible to add face recognition to gdk ( gnome login manager)? |
| 14:59.36 | pmv | anything is possible |
| 14:59.43 | pmv | given enough time and money |
| 14:59.46 | abhi | how to do this. |
| 15:00.06 | pmv | time and money :) |
| 15:00.18 | abhi | no no. is it available right now or not.. |
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| 15:00.43 | pmv | not something I have heard of |
| 15:00.52 | alesan | face recognition?? |
| 15:00.57 | abhi | yes |
| 15:01.17 | alesan | the one they used in mission: impossible 2 when they entered the tunnel with a helicopter? |
| 15:01.19 | abhi | anything about finger recognition. |
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| 15:01.46 | alesan | the fingerprint reader that comes with thinkpads works quite well with gdm afaik |
| 15:02.01 | pmv | yeah |
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| 15:02.10 | abhi | what |
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| 15:02.32 | abhi | ok |
| 15:02.41 | pmv | alesan, would you know if they use firmware, or some pam module for that? |
| 15:02.44 | abhi | what about lenovo .. |
| 15:02.57 | cedric3 | hi i want to install python-cups 1.9.27 but i can't found nobody can tell me if there are this package for debian etch thanks |
| 15:03.02 | alesan | it is a pam module for what I remember. |
| 15:03.03 | pmv | abhi, yes, this feature is pretty much standard on lenovo thinkpads |
| 15:03.23 | pmv | alesan, wow, blob or they actually give the code? |
| 15:03.49 | pmv | cus I imagine they would have to store fingerprint profiles somewhere |
| 15:03.52 | alesan | all thinkpads have 100% GPL drivers, *if I am not mistaken* |
| 15:03.54 | abhi | pmv: i am talking about lenovos face recognition. |
| 15:04.08 | pmv | abhi, and I am talking about fingerprint recognition |
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| 15:04.29 | pmv | and I have not heard of face recognition on consumer laptops |
| 15:04.38 | pmv | at least not for security |
| 15:04.39 | abhi | yeh that is supported. as told by alesan |
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| 15:05.08 | pmv | he is also talking about fingerprint recognition |
| 15:05.12 | abhi | pmv: yeh one model of lenovo have that |
| 15:05.21 | abhi | that is face.. |
| 15:05.22 | pmv | okay |
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| 15:05.53 | quentusrex | Hello |
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| 15:06.19 | abrotman | abhi: thinkwiki.org talks about the fingerprinter scanner |
| 15:06.43 | quentusrex | Is anyone here good with network layouts? |
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| 15:06.51 | abhi | abrotman, : ok |
| 15:06.58 | quentusrex | I'm trying to find out if there is a better way to layout a particular network. |
| 15:07.10 | pmv | quentusrex, just ask |
| 15:07.30 | cedric3 | nobody have any idea? |
| 15:08.09 | cahoot | !idea |
| 15:08.09 | dpkg | idea is probably meaning you don't know. |
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| 15:08.46 | quentusrex | Alright, I have two openvpn servers that will have remote clients vpn into them and offer a live data stream. I also have a router with a public internet ip that will be used with an apache reverse proxy and a cluster of 'data out stream servers' to stream the live data out to the internet. |
| 15:08.51 | cedric3 | i want to install a system-config-printer_0.7.81-2_all.deb but actually i can't i search a solution thanks;) |
| 15:08.59 | quentusrex | All my servers have two networking ports. |
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| 15:09.06 | abhi | I am looking for buying a laptop. which company laptops supports linux better? |
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| 15:09.15 | quentusrex | How can I get the data streams from the openvpn servers to the clusters? |
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| 15:09.59 | quentusrex | Should I have one port on the openvpn servers to the public static ip, and the other port to a private internal router, that is also attached to one of the ports for all of the clustered computers??? |
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| 15:10.16 | Jygzygyzel | abhi google for "linux laptop" |
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| 15:10.33 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 15:10.33 | dpkg | it has been said that laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 15:10.49 | cahoot | abhi: if you just look for a random opinion I'd say lenovo |
| 15:11.06 | Jygzygyzel | asus |
| 15:11.15 | petemc | apple |
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| 15:11.21 | Jygzygyzel | microsoft |
| 15:11.27 | abrotman | petemc: i'd disagree |
| 15:11.32 | pmv | thinkpads |
| 15:11.39 | abrotman | defintely with the old PPC laptops |
| 15:11.49 | chops | So I'm trying to get libapache2-mod-php5 working on etch... I followed the instructions at step 11 of http://dan.drydog.com/apache2php.html (though not of course the stuff about compiling by hand), but still apache wants to send me the .php source to download instead of interpreting it for me. |
| 15:11.50 | petemc | abrotman: thats your prerogative |
| 15:11.55 | chops | Anyone have advice? |
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| 15:12.03 | abrotman | petemc: i haven't seen anyone try on the new intel macbooks |
| 15:12.12 | abhi | I thinkpad have open sourced its drivers. |
| 15:12.12 | abrotman | first hand i mean |
| 15:12.17 | abrotman | abhi: not all of them |
| 15:13.36 | abhi | ok |
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| 15:14.02 | abrotman | petemc: as long as you don't recommend the "D" brand .. it's okay :) |
| 15:14.08 | petemc | :) |
| 15:14.26 | petemc | abrotman: i didnt even see the question, thought it was a general "whats best" |
| 15:14.42 | petemc | for linux support its not apple, but they're nice laptops none the less |
| 15:14.49 | pmv | haha |
| 15:15.13 | cahoot | nice wasn't the issue |
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| 15:15.47 | petemc | who doesnt factor in nice |
| 15:16.48 | cahoot | the weapons industry? |
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| 15:19.54 | cromag | if i have installed openVPN on a debian box, is it then possible for me to use this vpn for all trafic fra a, say, an xp box ? |
| 15:20.01 | cromag | fra=from |
| 15:20.21 | pqek | I just configured mod_chroot for apache.. is there a way to check how is it working? |
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| 15:24.20 | abhi | when I try to install package using gdebi it is not able to download the dependecy from net. how to solve this problem? |
| 15:24.43 | abrotman | abhi: paste the output in a pastebin |
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| 15:25.50 | abhi | abrotman, it shows installation failed use apt-get install -f to fix the errors. after doing this package is installed. |
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| 15:28.33 | Airbottle | !tell me about nvidia |
| 15:28.51 | abrotman | !tell Airbottle about selftell |
| 15:29.30 | Airbottle | oh :o ok |
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| 15:32.37 | jair | guys, it is possible for me to migrate a linux system from a LVM type of disk to a regular ext3 partitioned disk? |
| 15:32.45 | petemc | of course |
| 15:32.59 | jair | so what i will need to rsync? "/" |
| 15:33.10 | jair | edit the fstab? |
| 15:33.16 | jair | edit "/proc"? |
| 15:33.22 | petemc | you dont edit proc |
| 15:33.44 | jair | is there a document I can foloow and try to understand? |
| 15:34.26 | petemc | i dont know of any off the top of my head, but undoubtedly |
| 15:34.29 | jair | I have a system running on a vmware workstation, someone configured with 10 disks 2GB, don't ask me why... :( |
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| 15:34.51 | jair | I know it can be done, they later install grub on the MBR |
| 15:35.03 | jair | if I want to boot with grub |
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| 15:38.04 | hudu | noobQ: why can't I mount my SanDisk digital autio player? It says, 'Unable to mount the selected volume. mount: i could not determine the filesystem type, none was specified' |
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| 15:40.34 | Iraklis | hi |
| 15:40.50 | Iraklis | where can i download the debian unstable netinst???? |
| 15:41.04 | pmv | !!!! |
| 15:41.05 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 15:41.10 | pmv | !netinst |
| 15:41.10 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso> |
| 15:41.35 | epsilon | don't think there is a unstable netinst |
| 15:41.49 | epsilon | grab the testing netinst and upgrade to unsbatle |
| 15:42.11 | Iraklis | i have the etc netinst |
| 15:42.48 | Iraklis | its good idea to install the basic etc and then run dist upgrade and after that install the other packages???? |
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| 15:43.50 | epsilon | etc? |
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| 15:44.09 | nkuttler | Iraklis: better install all you need and dist-upgrade then. less worrying about broken packages |
| 15:44.23 | epsilon | install the minimal system with netinstall, then add unstable in sources.list and go for it |
| 15:44.39 | Iraklis | epsilon thats what i think |
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| 15:45.21 | Iraklis | nkuttler do you think its better to do it by this way (etc and then sid repos)?? |
| 15:45.27 | epsilon | or if you don't want full unstable system, use debootstrap |
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| 15:47.57 | Iraklis | thanks a lot ! |
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| 15:52.53 | merle | is there a particular channel for RAID troubleshooting? the obvious was empty... |
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| 15:54.24 | holycow | hi guys |
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| 15:54.55 | holycow | for a particular user i need to have a few binaries such that they can only be run by inputing a password |
| 15:55.17 | merle | holycow: sudo |
| 15:55.34 | holycow | sudo gives root priviledges |
| 15:55.36 | merle | though the risk of them then using sudo bash is around |
| 15:55.42 | holycow | i don't want to run the browser as root tho |
| 15:56.15 | merle | if it doesn't already require root privileges, why can they not access it? |
| 15:56.27 | holycow | because we don't want them to basically |
| 15:56.32 | holycow | its arbitrary but required |
| 15:56.38 | merle | but then you DO |
| 15:56.44 | holycow | no, WE DON'T |
| 15:56.45 | holycow | :) |
| 15:56.49 | holycow | here is what we want |
| 15:56.55 | hoxu | holycow, inputting password - whose password? |
| 15:57.01 | merle | I heard what you want; it is inane |
| 15:57.09 | holycow | no its not |
| 15:57.13 | merle | yes, yes it is |
| 15:57.17 | holycow | if you will let me explain you will see |
| 15:57.24 | holycow | its a publicly accessible terminal |
| 15:57.25 | merle | I already see, I have my contacts in! |
| 15:57.34 | holycow | basically having multiple logins to desktops isn't an option |
| 15:57.55 | my007ms | how i can add command line in gnome Panel |
| 15:57.57 | my007ms | so i can quick run whatever command i need |
| 15:58.21 | holycow | so one desktop for all basically the idea is that everyone gets all the default apps but there is a user or two that would like to be able to run firefox or similar but require a password prompt |
| 15:58.25 | hoxu | my007ms, ##gnome |
| 15:58.34 | holycow | the ideal way is of course individual restricted accounts |
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| 15:58.43 | abrotman | my007ms: it's minicommander or deskbar |
| 15:58.46 | merle | holycow: so make firefox available to a special user/group and have those users su to that user/group |
| 15:58.49 | merle | voila |
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| 15:59.12 | pqek | have someone idea why is not mod_security (apache) in testing? |
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| 15:59.20 | holycow | how can this be done via clicky icons? |
| 15:59.33 | holycow | i guess i will haveto script that |
| 15:59.36 | LjL | holycow: gksu(do) / kdesu(do)? |
| 15:59.40 | merle | holycow: make a shortcut with su -c |
| 15:59.44 | hoxu | LjL, bleh, beat me :p |
| 15:59.48 | holycow | doh! |
| 15:59.49 | holycow | simple |
| 15:59.51 | holycow | good enough |
| 15:59.54 | merle | holycow: LjL's solution is nicer |
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| 16:01.25 | LjL | holycow, sudo is not only for running as root. you can configure it in just about every possible way, and let a user change into another user that is not root. man sudoers |
| 16:01.38 | holycow | as i'm googling, indeed |
| 16:01.48 | cromag | (repreated) - if i have installed openVPN on a debian box, is it then possible for me to use this vpn for all trafic from a, say, an xp box ? |
| 16:01.50 | holycow | #debian, the fastest support channel ever |
| 16:01.57 | pmv | !su |
| 16:01.57 | dpkg | Password: |
| 16:02.00 | holycow | LjL: and all, thank you! |
| 16:02.02 | pmv | bah |
| 16:02.09 | pmv | su == switch user |
| 16:02.20 | pmv | sudo == switch user and do |
| 16:02.22 | sepski | cromag, yeas by redirecting the default route thru the vpn, (its in the config example) |
| 16:02.48 | cromag | ah thanks. |
| 16:03.34 | merle | I like how I said sudo in the first place but NOOO I was wrong and couldn't see the problem and now I am just "others" |
| 16:03.38 | merle | ;) |
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| 16:03.52 | LjL | holycow: do it the right way, though, i.e. by actually setting up sudoers in such a way that *only* what you want is allowed, and getting root is *not* allowed, or otherwise you *will* have wannabe hackers getting root, even if you put some "gksudo -u username blah" in the icon |
| 16:04.35 | LjL | merle, well, you didn't respond with "but that's not necessarily true" to the "sudo gives root privileges" rebuttal :) |
| 16:05.00 | hoxu | holycow, or don't bother at all, physical terminal access = root ;) |
| 16:05.26 | hoxu | unless, of course, you are a BOFH, in which case you'll set some evil death traps for the unwary crackers :P |
| 16:05.53 | merle | LjL: too true :P |
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| 16:06.25 | pqek | Have some idea why mod-security (apache2) is not on etch & testing? |
| 16:06.31 | hoxu | what was that dd clone that was capable of ripping broken media (will continue on errors)? |
| 16:07.06 | merle | holycow: dd can continue on errors |
| 16:07.08 | merle | errr |
| 16:07.12 | merle | hoxu even |
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| 16:07.25 | merle | hoxu: but... there is a special script thing that wraps it let me see if I can find.. |
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| 16:07.34 | holycow | hoxu: what do you mean ... ? |
| 16:07.38 | merle | hoxu: also, reading backwards can help pass errors too |
| 16:07.39 | hoxu | it can, really? |
| 16:07.42 | holycow | terminal access means nothing for a restricted user |
| 16:07.48 | holycow | no? |
| 16:07.59 | merle | holycow: localaccess means EVERYTHING |
| 16:08.00 | holycow | oh you mean physical access to box |
| 16:08.05 | holycow | thats different |
| 16:08.07 | hoxu | holycow, I mean I hope you have the hardware side secured too :) |
| 16:08.11 | holycow | indeed :) |
| 16:08.36 | hoxu | I recommend going for the death traps + camera with automatic upload to youtube |
| 16:08.52 | holycow | hoxu, merle good points *nod* |
| 16:09.10 | hoxu | merle, well, dd has "noerror" option, but iirc, that's not enough |
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| 16:09.25 | holycow | LjL: oh good point |
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| 16:09.38 | holycow | LjL: right, remove all perms except for apps we want for that user |
| 16:09.40 | holycow | indeed |
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| 16:10.43 | merle | hoxu: the wrapper is called ddrescue or possibly dd_rescue |
| 16:10.44 | merle | enjoy |
| 16:11.01 | hoxu | package is ddrescue indeed, thanks |
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| 16:11.26 | merle | no problem |
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| 16:12.52 | pqek | In case someone is interested.. there is not "libapache2-mod-security" on etch and testing.. ( thumbs & barefoot from apache told me to notify.) |
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| 16:14.54 | ktwilight | hm, what was the command that allows me to view which packages were last upgraded? |
| 16:14.54 | ktwilight | can't seem to find it in man apt-get|aptitude |
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| 16:15.47 | hoxu | ktwilight, /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 16:16.06 | ktwilight | :/ |
| 16:16.10 | ktwilight | hoxu, cool, missed that :) thanks! |
| 16:16.23 | merle | anyone have a pointer to a raid specific channel? failing that, anyone know how to find a raid array I seemed to have lost after updating kernel this weekend? :D |
| 16:16.53 | keith4 | fdisk -l ? |
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| 16:20.08 | merle | hmmm, well, the devices are there but fdisk says they do not contain a valid partition table |
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| 16:22.59 | keith4 | merle: which devices? |
| 16:23.03 | Ravn | anyone know latex here? I got the strangest problem: My eps-figures get rotated and mirrored and placed wrong in my code. What might this be? The code is completely minimalistic, containing nothing but a figure and \usepackage{graphicx}... |
| 16:23.07 | merle | I've also tried to set DEVICE in mdadm.conf and do an mdadm --scan but it exits instantly with no output so I am guessing it is not scanning |
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| 16:23.38 | sinizzl | hi there... i want to set up a dhcp server on eth2. when i try to start it it gives me this: "Please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment to which interface eth2 is attached." any ideas? |
| 16:23.39 | keith4 | merle: pastebin the output of fdisk -l |
| 16:23.50 | merle | keith4: they are sata drives; OS is on LVM on /dev/sda and then /dev/sdb to /dev/sdd are RAIDED |
| 16:24.24 | keith4 | merle: so, you didn't partition sdb and sdd? and raid sdb1 and sdd1 ? |
| 16:24.37 | hoxu | sinizzl, for starters, you could try searching the manpage for "subnet" :P |
| 16:24.43 | keith4 | sinizzl: that means that your dhcp conf doesn't have an entry for the network that eth2 is part of |
| 16:24.49 | merle | I manually built this array a couple of months ago and I recall partitioning it so I don't know what is going on :S |
| 16:25.10 | merle | I updated the box this weekend and when I brought it back up from reboot it lost the raid array :S |
| 16:25.15 | sinizzl | keith4: it does not. any idea how this entry should look like? |
| 16:25.21 | merle | also is any of this /dev/dm stuff relevent? I've never heard of this device |
| 16:25.30 | keith4 | sinizzl: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:25.50 | x423 | I've got an issue here after adding repos to my sources.list I attempted to update and I got: http://rafb.net/p/7UOBZT32.html |
| 16:26.10 | keith4 | x423 you need to increase the memory allocation for apt |
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| 16:26.22 | x423 | keith4: how do I go about doing that? |
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| 16:26.40 | keith4 | x423: in /etc/apt/apt.conf, APT::Cache-Limit |
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| 16:26.55 | merle | http://pastebin.ca/964843 <<< teh fdisk output |
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| 16:27.15 | sinizzl | keith4: http://rafb.net/p/s1yfjg41.html |
| 16:27.26 | adrian15 | [OT] Hello. Does anyone of you have download knoppix 5.3.1? I just need the knoppix-cheatcodes.txt file and a ls -lR output. Thank you. |
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| 16:27.51 | keith4 | sinizzl: you want to serve dhcp leases on 192.168.2.0/24 ? |
| 16:28.07 | x423 | keith4: hmm I don't seem to have that on my system, for me thre is only /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ and there is no apt.conf in that dir. |
| 16:28.08 | sinizzl | keith4: yessir. |
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| 16:28.25 | keith4 | sinizzl: now pastebin your dhcpd.conf |
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| 16:28.45 | merle | what could cause the partition table to disappear? I dont think I could have made the RAID in the first place without partitioning... also I get the sinking feeling to recover I might have to remember how it was partitioned |
| 16:28.46 | keith4 | x423: create apt.conf, then. I think. or google APT::Cache-Limit |
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| 16:28.59 | nkuttler | x423: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 16:29.04 | merle | oh shit |
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| 16:29.07 | merle | :S |
| 16:29.08 | x423 | lol |
| 16:29.36 | keith4 | merle: make sure the raid modules are loaded? i dunno |
| 16:29.38 | hoxu | every 60 secs I get "SRC=172.30.162.86 DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x10 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=36517 PROTO=2" in my firewall log, any clue what this is from and for what purpose? IP addy seems to be reserved IANA address and google doesn't say much |
| 16:29.50 | merle | keith4: yes, next step indeed |
| 16:29.55 | sinizzl | keith4: i only pasted teh uncommented lines: http://rafb.net/p/z99t8q54.html |
| 16:30.31 | keith4 | merle: what raid devices are you expecting to see? |
| 16:30.33 | enouf | adrian15: stop moaning in here too |
| 16:30.42 | adrian15 | enouf: ok |
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| 16:30.52 | sinizzl | lol |
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| 16:31.22 | merle | keith4: I am expecting to see /dev/md0 and the oh shit was because I think when I made this (twas my first time) I just raided the devices together so it is possible there is no partition table |
| 16:31.48 | keith4 | yah, you don't technically need to partition them |
| 16:31.50 | keith4 | which is confusing |
| 16:32.01 | keith4 | i think that mdadm will not auto-find them, then |
| 16:32.05 | merle | ah |
| 16:32.08 | keith4 | because it looks for partitions of type "linux raid" |
| 16:32.11 | merle | so I am not technically, screwed then |
| 16:32.13 | keith4 | i *think* |
| 16:32.17 | merle | no, it makes sense |
| 16:32.33 | merle | when I was making it in the first place I was in here and I was told it was fine the way I did it |
| 16:32.36 | merle | so I think you are correct |
| 16:32.41 | keith4 | so you probably have to futz with mdadm.conf and explicitly tell it how to find the raid |
| 16:32.55 | merle | hmm, so more or less I just have to add the devices into the config by hand? |
| 16:33.21 | x423 | keith4: same thing. |
| 16:33.22 | keith4 | sinizzl: you have a typo in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:33.47 | keith4 | !tell x423 about dynamic mmap |
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| 16:34.26 | keith4 | sinizzl: address has 2 "d"s in it |
| 16:34.31 | sinizzl | keith4: indeed |
| 16:34.35 | sinizzl | keith4: not in german :D |
| 16:34.41 | keith4 | so, I bet eth2 didn't come up |
| 16:34.46 | keith4 | which is why dhcpd is bitching |
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| 16:35.41 | keith4 | merle: if you look at mdadm.conf, see what DEVICES is set to |
| 16:35.53 | keith4 | mine is "partitions", which causes it to look for "linux auto raid" partitions |
| 16:36.01 | keith4 | you probably need to list your drives |
| 16:36.26 | Orion_X11 | Hi, I am trying to burn a dvd, but it asks me to insert a double layer dvd. The original is 7.1 gb and the other (blank) is 4.4. So how to burn it? |
| 16:36.45 | enouf | split? |
| 16:36.56 | enouf | or get a DL dvd |
| 16:37.00 | keith4 | ha |
| 16:37.03 | enouf | or shrink it |
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| 16:37.24 | maligor | or compress it with lzip |
| 16:37.38 | merle | keith4: it was partitions... I added each device with an asterisk to scan as per some tutorial on the interwebs but I think in this case that will fail for lack of partitions |
| 16:37.45 | enouf | i bet it's already highly compressed |
| 16:37.59 | maligor | lzip works on any data since it's lossy |
| 16:38.03 | Orion_X11 | maligor: it is a film. |
| 16:38.23 | enouf | video+audio usually is |
| 16:38.23 | maligor | the usefulness of lossy data compression is questionable however :P |
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| 16:38.31 | x423 | keith4: its the same thing whatever I do : |
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| 16:38.55 | Orion_X11 | maligor: If i compress it, will it work? |
| 16:38.56 | enouf | http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/DVD9_to_DVD5_guide one way |
| 16:39.01 | keith4 | x423: this isn't a negotiation. that is the way to fix your problem. |
| 16:39.24 | enouf | or bloat up your system with wine + dvdshrink |
| 16:39.51 | maligor | Orion_X11, no |
| 16:40.00 | maligor | video doesn't compress too well |
| 16:40.00 | enouf | or see if k9copy, dvd:rip , dvdauthor, or any of the other tools do it |
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| 16:40.13 | maligor | except for raw video |
| 16:40.20 | x423 | keith4: perhaps the repos I have put in are wrong. |
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| 16:41.05 | merle | keith4: in theory and assuming I simply added each device in the first place, if I just recreate the md device through mdadm it should just start rebuilding the array and not touch any data, yes? |
| 16:41.39 | x423 | As soon as I took out "unstable" everything works fine. |
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| 16:45.34 | Eulex | hello, I'm having problems with my time zone config in testing |
| 16:45.43 | merle | tzconfig ? |
| 16:46.36 | Eulex | ah wait, I believe I know the problem |
| 16:47.47 | Eulex | hmm, but wait. I saw that tzconfig wasn't in testing, but tzselect was there. it doesn't seem to be able to update the systemwide timezone though |
| 16:48.46 | cahoot | not using utc? |
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| 16:49.01 | Eulex | but that wasn't the problem really. my timezone was set correctly, but the system clock was set incorrectly |
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| 16:52.21 | enouf | do /msg dpkg set the time ? |
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| 16:57.05 | Seb | hi y'all |
| 16:57.20 | Seb | any way to convert an md-based RAID-1 to a RAID-0 ? |
| 16:58.12 | sepski | Seb, backup data -> break the md -> create a new md as raid0 -> mkfs -> restore data |
| 16:58.51 | Seb | sepski: hmmm |
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| 16:59.03 | Seb | sepski: it's used as / right now which make it more difficult |
| 16:59.10 | p3rti | hi |
| 16:59.21 | Seb | makes* |
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| 16:59.45 | glen2 | Hello. |
| 17:00.06 | p3rti | i have a connection to my vnc server, but it doesnt have any default window manager, it execute the X server but dont load gnome, kde,etc... how can i execute a command from vnc like xterm? |
| 17:00.10 | glen2 | I want to reinstall the default configuration files for a package, how do I do that? |
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| 17:00.34 | sepski | Seb, yes |
| 17:00.43 | sepski | !confmiss |
| 17:00.44 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 17:04.16 | FordCortina | how do i match "." with globs? |
| 17:04.37 | zinx | if you really mean 'glob', with a . |
| 17:05.01 | zinx | ?, *, and [] are special in globs.. some shells provide some extended stuff as well, but i know of none that alter . |
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| 17:07.04 | Eulex | FordCortina, I believe you want to turn off displaying of files inside the directory |
| 17:07.08 | Eulex | FordCortina, ls -ald . |
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| 17:08.00 | FordCortina | Eulex: what i want to do is catch files starting with .# in my hgignore |
| 17:08.04 | p3rti | i have a connection to my vnc server, but it doesnt have any default window manager, it execute the X server but dont load gnome, kde,etc... how can i execute a command from vnc like xterm? |
| 17:08.24 | simonrvn | people are weird sometimes |
| 17:09.28 | streuner | sometimes? |
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| 17:09.47 | FordCortina | i think i got it with putting "[." in my glob |
| 17:09.49 | Eulex | FordCortina, alex@zerolextop:~$ mkdir .#blah alex@zerolextop:~$ ls -ald .#* drwxr-xr-x 2 alex alex 4096 31 mar 20.08 .#blah |
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| 17:10.12 | keith4 | p3rti: you can't. but if you login using ssh, as the same user, you should be able to start an xterm |
| 17:10.17 | keith4 | you might need to fiddle with xhost |
| 17:10.34 | simonrvn | xauth |
| 17:10.39 | simonrvn | !xhost |
| 17:10.39 | dpkg | it has been said that xhost is EVIL! Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie>, or read /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz before even thinking about using the "xhost" command. Ask me about <sshx>, or <nolisten> if you're mule-headed, or "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost" will tell you "xhost, a very dangerous program that you should never use" You should use ssh x11 forwarding instead. Use <sux> instead of su |
| 17:10.53 | simonrvn | xhost should die |
| 17:11.05 | Eulex | !kill xhost |
| 17:11.05 | dpkg | crushes xhost with a large trout |
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| 17:11.32 | keith4 | yah, xauth |
| 17:11.34 | keith4 | that's what i meant |
| 17:11.50 | FordCortina | Eulex: ah, it works your way now |
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| 17:16.32 | Crissi | hello |
| 17:16.38 | Crissi | i need help |
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| 17:16.47 | cusco | then ask |
| 17:16.51 | Crissi | i have python2.3 running on etch |
| 17:16.52 | cusco | what you have to ask |
| 17:16.56 | Crissi | now i got sometimes: |
| 17:17.00 | simonrvn | you know the drill, you've been here before |
| 17:17.03 | Crissi | *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid next size (fast): 0xa742f780 *** |
| 17:17.03 | Crissi | ------ |
| 17:17.03 | Crissi | 2008-03-31T19:16:12 ERROR(200) zdaemon Process 8569 terminated by signal SIGABRT(6) |
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| 17:17.18 | simonrvn | including not pasting... |
| 17:17.26 | Crissi | how i can prevent the glibc detecion |
| 17:17.28 | Crissi | ? |
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| 17:22.07 | pabs3 | hi all, just want to advertise my Debian user survey: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/03/msg02475.html |
| 17:22.29 | Maulkin | kicks pabs3 for spamming :) |
| 17:22.44 | pabs3 | :) |
| 17:22.49 | abrotman | thinks pabs3 just violated some DD constraint |
| 17:23.00 | hoxu | !marry abrotman and Maulkin |
| 17:23.00 | dpkg | abrotman, do you take Maulkin to be your lawfully wedded spouse? Maulkin, do you take abrotman? Cool. Kiss or something. |
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| 17:23.08 | Maulkin | ... |
| 17:23.25 | abrotman | pa bah he left |
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| 17:23.43 | simonrvn | !lart pabs3 for spamming |
| 17:23.43 | dpkg | strangles pabs3 with a doohicky mouse cord for spamming |
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| 17:26.08 | nomisery | hi, since i installed a recent lenny update, my laptop screen darkens automaticaly after a few seconds of inactivity. this is pretty anoying. has anyone an idea what causes it, and how i can disable it? |
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| 17:34.49 | SiftinDotCom | Good Morning folks, I was dissecting a makefile, where I came across this usage. can anyone tell me how to use $$. |
| 17:34.50 | SiftinDotCom | BASE=$$($(GETPWD)) |
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| 17:35.16 | SiftinDotCom | I tried searching in makefile docs but found nothing relevant |
| 17:35.28 | Crissi | what i can do if a program was terminated by glibc detected? |
| 17:35.30 | simonrvn | escapes the $ ? (guessing) |
| 17:35.38 | simonrvn | Crissi: it's a bug |
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| 17:36.02 | keith4 | nomisery: that sounds like an acpi "feature" |
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| 17:36.34 | abrotman | SiftinDotCom: likely your CWD |
| 17:36.34 | Xteven | hello world |
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| 17:36.40 | nomisery | keith4: was half as evil than i thought. solved it :) |
| 17:36.40 | merle | ah ha1 |
| 17:36.42 | merle | ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5 num-devices=3 UUID=208fb127:fb90fe86:cb49f1f7:a788b156 |
| 17:36.48 | merle | yay so mdadm can find it |
| 17:36.50 | simonrvn | Crissi: libc6 killed the process with that signal (SIGABRT, abort) due to the free(): invalid next size (fast), at that address (0xa742f780) |
| 17:36.51 | Crissi | simonrvn: under sarge all runs fine |
| 17:36.52 | merle | the question is now how to restore it |
| 17:37.09 | Crissi | after update my python2.3 crashes sometimes |
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| 17:37.39 | simonrvn | 2.4 is recommended now anyway |
| 17:37.41 | Xteven | if I want to fix a bug in a debian package and submit the patch, should I fix it in unstable ? or do I need to do it some other way ? |
| 17:37.53 | simonrvn | (IIRC; correct me if i'm wrong, anyone) |
| 17:38.06 | keith4 | !bts |
| 17:38.06 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 17:38.09 | stew | !info python stable |
| 17:38.10 | abrotman | Xteven: you can create your patch against the unstable sources and submit it via the BTS |
| 17:38.14 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.4.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 608 kB |
| 17:38.27 | SiftinDotCom | abrotman, sorry, but I dont know abt CWD. I will search now |
| 17:38.37 | abrotman | SiftinDotCom: echo $PWD |
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| 17:38.44 | SiftinDotCom | ahh |
| 17:39.25 | paxed | updating my box, i'm greeted with the blue text-menu which pops up whenever a file being updated has been modified locally. this menu does not behave as it should, which package does it belong to so i can report the faulty behaviour as a bug? (debian testing) |
| 17:39.36 | Xteven | abrotman: ok thx |
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| 17:39.49 | SiftinDotCom | abrotman, any reason for this type of usage. |
| 17:40.03 | abrotman | no idea .. ask the author |
| 17:40.15 | lynucs | hello! |
| 17:40.18 | SiftinDotCom | ok |
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| 17:40.20 | lynucs | :) |
| 17:40.20 | SiftinDotCom | thanks |
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| 17:41.41 | vedant_ | hi |
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| 17:42.42 | stew | paxed: dpkg |
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| 17:42.53 | stew | paxed: or ucf, depending on the package |
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| 17:43.09 | vedant | i am trying to download debian testing cds from http, but the mirror cdimage.debian.org gives 404 errors. how do i work around it? |
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| 17:43.33 | vedant | the mirror cdimage.debian.org *redirects to* :P |
| 17:43.34 | UserReg_CL | hi... helpme please.. .i am downlaod and patched iptables and need make ona package *.deb .. |
| 17:44.10 | NickBurnsSNL | greetings to all .... |
| 17:44.16 | stew | vedant: if you are trying to get dailies, try a weekly, or vice versa. or wait. or use a stable isntaller |
| 17:44.43 | simonrvn | stew: heh for a second there i thought you said "day lilies" |
| 17:45.09 | stew | yeah, unfortunately its still early in the spring for day lillies to be in bloom |
| 17:45.17 | Airbottle | hey, i'm on etch, clean install, i asked dpkg how to install java and i installed this: sun-java6-plugin, now, i restart iceweasel to verify the installation on the java website, but there iceweasen says that i need to install jre |
| 17:45.22 | NickBurnsSNL | vedant: or, possibley use ftp to another mirror? |
| 17:45.24 | stew | UserReg_CL: bump the changelog with "dch --nmu" so the version number of the package is different than the one you patched. /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 17:45.30 | paxed | stew: ah, thanks. |
| 17:45.42 | Airbottle | is sun-java6-plugin something other than jre? |
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| 17:46.01 | stew | paxed: if it is ucf, you'll see ucf in the postinst. if its just standard handling of a conffile then its dpkg |
| 17:46.03 | simonrvn | it's the browser plugin, as the name suggests |
| 17:46.13 | stew | NickBurnsSNL: they aren't mirrored afaik |
| 17:46.23 | UserReg_CL | stew: Thank |
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| 17:46.50 | Airbottle | i downloaded the .bin file for java6 on their website, but it says something about a wrong gcc or something, |
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| 17:46.58 | NickBurnsSNL | stew: I see .. well, my other idea is use http://technocrat.net/d/2007/5/22/20328 (Netselect) or maybe I'm missing something here |
| 17:47.01 | abrotman | !tell Airbottle about install java |
| 17:47.19 | merle | w00t!!! |
| 17:47.31 | NickBurnsSNL | actually this link is better: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2007/05/using-netselect-apt-tip-to-select.html |
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| 17:47.49 | merle | keith4: if you care; thanks! I got it reassembled; once I found the UUID it was a simple matter of --assemble /dev/md0 -u UUID |
| 17:47.50 | stew | NickBurnsSNL: he's looking for an installer. not a repository |
| 17:47.52 | merle | :) |
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| 17:48.07 | NickBurnsSNL | ah .. oops, sorry, I just sorta jump'd in ;) |
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| 17:48.42 | UserReg_CL | stew: then cd iptables |
| 17:49.04 | stew | eh? |
| 17:49.18 | NickBurnsSNL | OK, my issue is, does anyone know if debfoster will ever make it into lenny/testing? |
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| 17:50.41 | UserReg_CL | iptables-1.4.0# dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot not work |
| 17:51.04 | stew | UserReg_CL: be more specific |
| 17:51.16 | stew | NickBurnsSNL: after http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=448501 is fixed |
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| 17:52.27 | NickBurnsSNL | got it .. I'll subscribe to that feed to watch it. Thanks |
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| 17:52.39 | UserReg_CL | stew: change to directory: cd ./iptables-1.4.0 and run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" and not work |
| 17:52.59 | stew | NickBurnsSNL: if you want to subscribe to the package, do it here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/debfoster |
| 17:53.17 | stew | UserReg_CL: do you get an error? |
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| 17:53.29 | stew | UserReg_CL: show us the actual output of the command ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:53.51 | UserReg_CL | thanks "pastebin" ? |
| 17:54.12 | stew | dpkg: tell UserReg_CL about pastebin |
| 17:54.22 | rgr | any idea how I can set up iceweasel in debian so that when I click a wav file link it just plays it rather than switching to a full screen page mplayer plugin? |
| 17:54.51 | benjamindees | I believe firefox uses /etc/mime.types |
| 17:55.00 | abrotman | rgr: there is an mplayer-firefox plugin |
| 17:55.11 | abrotman | also a totem one too |
| 17:55.24 | rgr | so I just install it synaptic? |
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| 17:55.45 | vedant | NickBurnsSNL: I couldn't find a FTP mirror which has testing? |
| 17:55.49 | rgr | I am using a sound server (pulse) will that make any differece? |
| 17:56.10 | stew | vedant: i dont' believe it is mirrored |
| 17:56.20 | stew | the installer that is |
| 17:56.26 | rgr | abrotman: when I say full screen I mean in iceweasel - it goes to a new page (all black) and then plays the wav. |
| 17:56.38 | benjamindees | is there a way to temporarily disable cd sources in apt without having it delete the indices? |
| 17:56.40 | UserReg_CL | stew: http://pastebin.ca/964949 |
| 17:56.43 | abrotman | rgr: i know what you mean |
| 17:56.44 | vedant | i meant the testing cds |
| 17:57.05 | abrotman | rgr: it also depends on how the web page is coded |
| 17:57.11 | vedant | mirrors of these, to be precise: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 17:57.12 | keith4 | merle: congratulations! i hope you save that GUID this time... |
| 17:57.17 | stew | UserReg_CL: how did you download / unpack the source? |
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| 17:58.06 | UserReg_CL | stew: correct... I am download source iptables and apliqued patch: Layer-7, IMQ, ESFQ |
| 17:58.06 | stew | UserReg_CL: are you using the source of the debian package or the upstream source? |
| 17:58.17 | stew | UserReg_CL: where did you download the source from ? |
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| 17:58.27 | yang | I have the following partition setup, could someone check if its ok, and will save the windows installation - http://openpaste.org/en/5882/ |
| 17:58.33 | UserReg_CL | stew: from oficial site |
| 17:58.33 | rgr | so can anyone suggest what I need to do to stop iceweasel moving to a new page? mime types or a plugin? |
| 17:58.59 | UserReg_CL | netfilter.org |
| 17:59.12 | stew | rgr: you mean it is plaining inside of an iceweasel window? |
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| 17:59.36 | stew | UserReg_CL: is there a reason you are using the upstream sources instead of the source of the debian package? |
| 17:59.41 | stew | !tell root____1 about root |
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| 18:00.42 | wd | do i need samba installed to mount a samba linux box? |
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| 18:00.51 | stew | yang: try #windows |
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| 18:01.06 | yang | stew: I am trying to install debian over it |
| 18:01.18 | stew | yang: what trouble are you having installing debian? |
| 18:01.37 | yang | stew: trying to perserve the windows installation, with current debian installer setup |
| 18:01.40 | benjamindees | wd, you need smbclient |
| 18:01.48 | rgr | stew: when I click a wav it changes to a new browser page (all black) with a play icon in the middle and then plays it. I want it just to play e.g imagine an online laguage course or dict like Leo which wav files by examples. |
| 18:01.55 | stew | yang: your partition table will work fine for debian. i don't know if it will work for windows, ask #windows about that |
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| 18:01.57 | UserReg_CL | stew: for use with QoS and for imq site |
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| 18:02.11 | stew | rgr: you'd have to change the html of the page |
| 18:02.16 | wd | benjamindees: do i apt-get smbclient or samba? |
| 18:02.24 | wd | benjamindees: samba will have client right? |
| 18:02.28 | NickBurnsSNL | stew: thanks for bug/subscribe info(I was away for a minute) |
| 18:02.34 | benjamindees | wd, er, you need the 'smbfs' package rather |
| 18:02.42 | benjamindees | wd, apt-get install smbfs |
| 18:02.45 | rgr | this doesnt happen in ie :( The html doesnt tell it to launch a new window its just an http wav link. |
| 18:02.46 | Dodek | hey, i'm using lenny. the sbcl version in it is too old, so i'd like to use the one from sid. is it possible to install only sbcl via apt-get and not the rest of packages? |
| 18:02.47 | wd | benjamindees: ok |
| 18:02.49 | wd | benjamindees: t |
| 18:02.50 | NickBurnsSNL | stew: also, is Testing only attained via apt-get dist-upgrade? I didn't know there was an install .. |
| 18:02.54 | wd | benjamindees: ty |
| 18:02.56 | stew | UserReg_CL: why are you patching the upstream sources instead of the debian sources? is what you are doing impossible to do with the debian sources? |
| 18:02.56 | havocologe | is it possible to see at what time a networking interface has entered promiscous mode ? |
| 18:03.20 | stew | NickBurnsSNL: there is a beta release of the installer which installs lenny directly |
| 18:03.21 | UserReg_CL | stew: is for use personal |
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| 18:03.34 | stew | havocologe: "ifcnofig -a" would show "PROMISC" |
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| 18:03.55 | stew | UserReg_CL: are you having trouble understanding the questions I'm asking you? |
| 18:04.00 | NickBurnsSNL | stew: I see ... |
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| 18:04.50 | UserReg_CL | i am use this manual: http://wiki.nix.hu/cgi-bin/twiki/view/IMQ/HowToInstall#Setting_up_IMQ |
| 18:04.55 | abrotman | havocologe: in the syslogs perhaps |
| 18:05.31 | stew | oh, what time. i missed that part |
| 18:05.49 | stew | havocologe: nevermind me |
| 18:05.59 | yang | stew: well if i write grub to MBR, then it will give the options to boot either linux or windows right? following the http://openpaste.org/en/5882/ partition table |
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| 18:06.34 | benjamindees | rgr, grep x-wav /etc/mailcap |
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| 18:07.07 | stew | yang: if grub is configued that way, sure. there are example configurations that include booting windows in /usr/share/doc/grub/examples |
| 18:07.27 | Jygzygyzel | how do i see whats taking all my bandwidth? |
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| 18:08.11 | abrotman | Jygzygyzel: ntop or jnettop |
| 18:08.24 | stew | or iptraf |
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| 18:08.46 | wd | abrotman: hello got debian install on my other box.. going smoothe. :) |
| 18:09.03 | abrotman | yay |
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| 18:09.21 | wd | benjamindees: jus installed samba common and client.. connection super. thanks. |
| 18:09.24 | rgr | benjamindees: there are about 12 entries for x-wav. How does iceweasel choose one? |
| 18:09.46 | wd | abrotman: kinda miss all that compiling (gentoo).. lol |
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| 18:10.01 | wd | just teasing abrotman. |
| 18:10.20 | stew | rgr: it doens't use this file, it uses your settings in the Content tab under "File Types" |
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| 18:10.48 | benjamindees | rgr, likely the first or last |
| 18:10.54 | stew | rgr: Edit -> Preferences -> Content -> File Types -> Manage |
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| 18:11.43 | wd | abrotman: you were right.. don't notice any drastic performance change vs using gentoo on same box. darn-it. what was the use then? cflags and "USE"? crap. |
| 18:11.57 | abrotman | wd: we have no idea .. we don't use it :) |
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| 18:13.12 | stew | benjamindees: i don't believe it is likely that iceweasel is using /etc/mailcap to decide which browser plugin to use |
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| 18:13.38 | enouf | about:plugins ? |
| 18:13.42 | benjamindees | stew, it's been a while but I don't recall ever having any luck using the method you suggest. |
| 18:14.25 | stew | benjamindees: any luck doing what? |
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| 18:14.47 | benjamindees | stew, edit -> preferences, etc... |
| 18:15.02 | stew | benjamindees: /etc/mailcap is for standalone programs, not for embeded browser plugins |
| 18:15.14 | rgr | stew: thanks. I changed it to esdplay and works fine - no need to rewrite their html ... :-; |
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| 18:17.16 | benjamindees | stew, on debian, at least... |
| 18:17.27 | benjamindees | s/debian/recent versions of/ |
| 18:17.51 | rgr | benjamindees: works fine on Lenny. I upgraded to pulseaudio recently so multiple sound sources work fine to. The advice about rewriting the html etc from abrotman was wrong. |
| 18:17.53 | Dodek | nobody answered me, so i guess i'll repeat my question. i'm using lenny. the sbcl version in it is too old, so i'd like to use the one from sid. is it possible to install only sbcl via apt-get and not the rest of packages? |
| 18:17.56 | lynucs | can anyone tell me why dvd-ram device fails to burn anything on a normal dvd under debian etch?? might there be any kernel modules needed to use dvd-ram device for burning normal dvd's? |
| 18:18.00 | rgr | thanks guys. was a big help. |
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| 18:18.06 | stew | benjamindees: are you implying that there exists some os where firefox/iceweasel browser plugins are configured in /etc/mailcap? |
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| 18:18.21 | abrotman | i didn't want him to rewrite html .. but whatever |
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| 18:18.59 | pgpkeys | Dodek: do not mix unstable with stable or testing. you can see if backports has a newer package available but do NOT mix unstable with your install. it can and usually does lead to problems that become VERY difficult to fix |
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| 18:19.11 | stew | Dodek: /msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix |
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| 18:19.19 | benjamindees | stew, no |
| 18:19.22 | lontra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:19.27 | stew | Dodek: you can ignore pgpkeys, he's wrong |
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| 18:19.57 | Solarion | what is in charge of rotating /var/log/syslog? |
| 18:20.05 | pgpkeys | uhh stew it usually does cause issues. you can say I'm wrong all you want |
| 18:20.05 | stew | Solarion: /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 18:20.11 | Dodek | i guess i'll try the backporst. could anyone point me to a proper line for sources.list ? |
| 18:20.12 | abrotman | Solarion: /etc/cron.daily .. too slow |
| 18:20.36 | sami | I created an install cd today with a preseed for unattained installation and an own repository. When i boot it, it all work's just fine until it says "The CD-ROM does not seem to contain a valid "Release" file |
| 18:20.37 | stew | pgpkeys: mixing stable and {testing,unstable} is a problem, mixing testing and unstable is not generally a problem |
| 18:20.43 | Solarion | stew: why that instead of logrotate? |
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| 18:21.10 | stew | Solarion: so that when you change /etc/syslog.conf you don't have to change logrotate |
| 18:21.13 | enouf | lynucs: you've been at this a few days now, have you tried various blank media brands and types? How about burning a standard premade OS ISO ? |
| 18:21.26 | Crypticfortune | anybody very familiar with autofs? a bunch of our boxes mount their home directories via autofs over nfs, but sometimes (like now) autofs seems to stop responding. it's mounted nfs3 soft. i can't /etc/init.d/autofs stop it, or kill the process. lsof says that nothing but autofs is using that directory.... any ideas? |
| 18:21.41 | Solarion | stew: seems like you could hack logrotate to do it |
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| 18:21.50 | stew | Solarion: go for it |
| 18:21.54 | Solarion | heh |
| 18:21.58 | abrotman | Solarion: you wouldn't have to hack it .. but then you'd have two programs doing it |
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| 18:22.02 | Solarion | stew: whining at you is much easier. :) |
| 18:22.08 | lynucs | enouf: ok, i'll try my dvd-rw now+ |
| 18:22.22 | lynucs | enouf: with debian netinstall would be ok? |
| 18:22.27 | lufthanza | how do I add /opt/es to the list of files like /usr/local/bin? |
| 18:22.36 | enouf | lynucs: sure once you verify the md5sum |
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| 18:22.55 | enouf | (or shaXXX whatever) |
| 18:22.56 | lynucs | okay |
| 18:22.57 | pgpkeys | lufthanza: edit your ~/.profile .bash_profile or the global profile's PATH |
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| 18:23.11 | Solarion | maybe the better solution is for logrotate to go into savelog |
| 18:23.13 | pgpkeys | (the file to edit in ~/ depends on your shell) |
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| 18:24.30 | Solarion | stew: am I missing it, or is there no way for savelog to email the last log file first? |
| 18:25.16 | stew | Solarion: i don't know |
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| 18:25.36 | Solarion | I suppose you can hack the syskogd cron.daily file to do it. |
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| 18:26.28 | hetauma | any ideas why filezilla is not on lenny repos while it is on both etch and sid ? |
| 18:26.37 | pavel123 | hi everybody, I was wondering if it would be possible to install debian from another system only booting from network (no floppy, no cd) |
| 18:26.39 | abrotman | !why is lenny not in testing |
| 18:26.39 | dpkg | lenny is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=lenny |
| 18:26.41 | abrotman | jeez |
| 18:26.46 | abrotman | !why is filezilla not in testing |
| 18:26.46 | dpkg | filezilla is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=filezilla |
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| 18:28.29 | benjamindees | pavel123, I believe you can using PXE |
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| 18:29.53 | Seb | what's the name of that application that combines all the functionalities of apt-get/apt-cache/etc ? |
| 18:29.58 | lynucs | enouf: cdrecord dev=/dev/cdrom blank=disk tells me "Error: this media does not support blanking, ignoring. |
| 18:30.01 | lynucs | This drive or media does not support the 'BLANK media' command |
| 18:30.03 | lynucs | but that is not true |
| 18:30.05 | Seb | the one you can install|remove|search etc |
| 18:30.06 | lynucs | wodim: Cannot blank disk, aborting. |
| 18:30.15 | lynucs | something strange is with the drive under debian... |
| 18:30.18 | lynucs | wonders |
| 18:30.22 | benjamindees | Seb, aptitude? synaptic? |
| 18:30.27 | Seb | nah |
| 18:30.32 | stew | gdebi? |
| 18:30.38 | wd | abrotman: ok, i have shockwave flash in my iceweasel about: but i went to disney to test and it saye i nee adobe flash isn't this the same? |
| 18:30.45 | Seb | some sort of wrapper for all those |
| 18:30.49 | Seb | so you don't have to wonder if source is in aptitude or in apt-get, or what command provides "search", etc |
| 18:31.02 | abrotman | wd: how did oyu install flash ? |
| 18:31.13 | wd | abrotman: synaptic |
| 18:31.19 | enouf | lynucs: cdrecord for a DVD? |
| 18:31.29 | abrotman | wd: so which version of flash is it ? |
| 18:31.29 | Seb | it's a command line application, but I can't for the life of me remember its name |
| 18:31.38 | wd | abrotman: i also did the java install from the newbies doc and nada. |
| 18:31.38 | abrotman | Seb: aptitude |
| 18:31.44 | Seb | abrotman: no |
| 18:31.47 | enouf | lynucs: you're being specific but not specific enough |
| 18:31.47 | abrotman | Seb: yes |
| 18:31.50 | Seb | abrotman: aptitude doesn't have source for instance |
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| 18:31.59 | lynucs | enouf: dvdrecord fails too |
| 18:32.03 | benjamindees | Seb, is this for downloading dependencies when compiling? |
| 18:32.04 | abrotman | Seb: use apt-cache search to find it ? |
| 18:32.05 | enouf | lynucs: why would you want to blank a blank media? |
| 18:32.12 | Seb | abrotman: dude, i'm talking about a wrapper around apt-cache|apt-get|aptitude etc |
| 18:32.13 | enouf | lynucs: what is dvdrecord? |
| 18:32.18 | Seb | abrotman: i did, no luck so far |
| 18:32.28 | lynucs | enouf: it's a fork of cdrecord fotr dvd-r |
| 18:32.39 | enouf | i use wodim and growisofs and the 3 dvd+rw-<VAR> tools |
| 18:32.42 | wd | abrotman: Flash Movie player Version 0.4.12 compatible with Shockwave Flash 4.0 |
| 18:32.44 | Seb | benjamindees: nah, i want to alias apt-get to taht command, so i can simply do apt-get search, for instance, without having to remember to do apt-cache, and so on and so on |
| 18:32.52 | abrotman | wd: no .. tha'ts not it |
| 18:32.54 | abrotman | !tell wd about flash |
| 18:33.07 | enouf | lynucs: it's not in debian, i can't help really ... not here anyway |
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| 18:33.15 | stew | enouf: yes it is |
| 18:33.25 | enouf | stew: part of cdrkit? |
| 18:33.35 | lynucs | enouf: okay |
| 18:33.36 | enouf | never heard of it |
| 18:33.37 | stew | enouf: apt-file search bin/dvdrecord |
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| 18:33.52 | Seb | aaaah, wajig |
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| 18:34.17 | lynucs | enouf: btw it wasn't a blank medie. it was a rewriteable dvd :) |
| 18:34.24 | enouf | he said it was a fork of cdrecord, wodim/genisoimage/icedax/cdrkit i know about |
| 18:34.31 | tweaked | can anyone help me with postfix and debain getting an error for it not able to open /etc/sasldb2 here is log http://pastebin.com/d599c26ed |
| 18:34.57 | abrotman | tweaked: your main.cf might be useful |
| 18:35.02 | enouf | and dvd+rw-tools .. and others, oh well |
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| 18:35.12 | tweaked | sec |
| 18:35.15 | Seb | benjamindees, abrotman: so, "wajig", in case you're interested :) |
| 18:35.29 | abrotman | Seb: oh yeah .. i think you're the only person using that :) |
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| 18:35.41 | Seb | abrotman: "about to use that" heh |
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| 18:35.48 | tweaked | http://pastebin.com/d5cb6ad99 |
| 18:35.51 | wd | abrotman: ty i'm there. |
| 18:36.02 | tweaked | there is dovecot conf on the top postfix conf on the bottom |
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| 18:36.36 | abrotman | tweaked: okay .. so you're trying to use tls .. but you have no sasldb2 .. |
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| 18:36.45 | enouf | "so, i'd like to burn a CD, i think i'll try xmms" |
| 18:36.55 | tweaked | the sasldb2 is there |
| 18:37.09 | abrotman | tweaked: it's outside the postfix chroot though |
| 18:37.12 | tweaked | just cant open it im guessing becaouse of chroot issues |
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| 18:37.35 | MolePrince | Is there any sort of RAID automounter setup that could be used with udev? Eg if I have an exernal USB drive RAID or such that it would recognize and mount that when plugged in? |
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| 18:37.44 | tweaked | so do i have to move the sasldb2 file to a different folder? |
| 18:38.02 | wd | abrotman: Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 18:38.11 | abrotman | wd: TBH .. i just get it from adobe.com |
| 18:38.25 | abrotman | tweaked: i think i took postfix out of the chroot to get around that ... |
| 18:38.26 | wd | TBH? |
| 18:38.29 | abrotman | !tbh |
| 18:38.29 | dpkg | To Be Honest |
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| 18:38.48 | tweaked | how do i do that? |
| 18:39.07 | wd | abrotman: you dl the tar.gz or convert the rpm? |
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| 18:39.14 | abrotman | tweaked: or maybe i copy it in .. let me see |
| 18:39.17 | benjamindees | is there a package yet that fixes the stupid debian sub menus in gnome/kde? |
| 18:39.19 | abrotman | wd: tar.gz |
| 18:39.23 | wd | abrotman: ok |
| 18:39.31 | pavel123 | benjamindees, it seems not so easy... but I'll try! thanks a lot! |
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| 18:39.56 | benjamindees | pavel123, yeah I'll bet it's not easy; which is why I've never done it. |
| 18:40.21 | benjamindees | spent two days fiddling around with an external dvd drive instead of attempting a network boot last week |
| 18:40.24 | zxcx | im rhel guy, please, tell me, somebody tell me, what is with /boot/grub/menu.lst editing, to pass options to kernel at boot up, when i edit defoptions line and do update-grub it overwrites that file. How can i do it? (I don't wan't to add options to kernel line, because it's selinux i have to be sure that it will be always on, even after update) |
| 18:40.37 | pavel123 | benjamindees, nor do I, I guess.. |
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| 18:41.10 | pavel123 | i'm going to find an usb stick... |
| 18:41.12 | abrotman | tweaked: not sure how, but my sasldb2 gets copied to /var/cache/postfix/etc/sasldb2 .. do you want me to keep looking ? |
| 18:41.19 | beardy | zxcx: Thanks for your honesty. Ask in #rhel |
| 18:41.33 | tweaked | probably is a ln |
| 18:41.37 | abrotman | tweaked: no |
| 18:41.43 | benjamindees | zxcx, make a new entry (or copy one) outside of the AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 18:41.47 | stew | zxcx: edit the "# kopt=" line, which is read by update-grub, and propagated to all of the kernels |
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| 18:41.51 | zxcx | beardy you dint understand, im rhel guy, but i have many debians and want to change it |
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| 18:42.10 | benjamindees | or what stew said :) |
| 18:42.18 | beardy | zxcx: Ok, listen to stew. |
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| 18:42.24 | pavel123 | thanks! see you! |
| 18:42.30 | tweaked | im using this to go by http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-mail-server-setup-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-squirrel-mail.html |
| 18:42.33 | xerophytev | does anybody know which java version include MySQL Connector/J 5.1.6 ? |
| 18:42.34 | stew | zxcx: if you don't want this to be on EVERY kernel, add a "# kopt_2_6_18=" or whatever version (read the surrounding comments) |
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| 18:42.44 | stew | zxcx: note that the leading '#' is REQUIRED, don't remove it |
| 18:42.55 | FearedBliss | hey does anyone know how i can get wpa enabled on debian ( original airport - orinoco chipset ) , without recompiling the kernel ? |
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| 18:43.07 | abrotman | tweaked: yes . i'll admit it's odd |
| 18:43.14 | zxcx | oh, i've alwayas edited off # |
| 18:43.16 | zxcx | thanks |
| 18:43.22 | tweaked | yeah im lost not sure what else to do |
| 18:43.43 | abrotman | tweaked: have you tried adding a passwd to the sasldb yet? |
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| 18:43.58 | tweaked | no |
| 18:44.04 | enouf | ## DO NOT UNCOMMENT THEM, Just edit them to your needs |
| 18:44.05 | abrotman | try it .. see what happens |
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| 18:44.42 | abrotman | tweaked: apparently last time i added a password .. it changed both |
| 18:45.03 | FearedBliss | hey does anyone know how i can get wpa enabled on debian ( original airport - orinoco chipset ) , without recompiling the kernel ? |
| 18:45.20 | tweaked | i dont have a sasldb user |
| 18:45.24 | tweaked | i use a postfix user |
| 18:45.44 | abrotman | FearedBliss: not all cards support wpa |
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| 18:46.04 | FearedBliss | i know my card supports wpa because in ubuntu 8.04 a6 wpa was working fine |
| 18:46.18 | FearedBliss | i installed debian 4.0r3 and only wep is working |
| 18:46.23 | FearedBliss | i also changed repos to sid |
| 18:46.27 | FearedBliss | for more recent packages |
| 18:47.10 | linkslice | what's a transition package? |
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| 18:47.16 | linkslice | http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6-em64t-p4-smp |
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| 18:47.35 | tweaked | abrotman: not sure hot to do that i dint have a sasldb user |
| 18:47.41 | abrotman | linkslice: it's a package that requires another package to ensure a smooth transition from an earlier version of debian |
| 18:47.45 | abrotman | tweaked: as root ? |
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| 18:47.52 | tweaked | yes |
| 18:48.36 | linkslice | abrotman, ah ok, I installed the standard etch with a 686 kernel but I have dual Xeon, would it be safe to update to this kernel? |
| 18:48.42 | linkslice | or would I break userland? |
| 18:49.05 | pingouin | a dual Xeon...nice |
| 18:49.13 | AEX | hi i cant create a software raid1 on the debian installation, can anyone help? |
| 18:49.25 | abrotman | linkslice: i doubt it .. but in etch you probably want linux-image-2.6-amd64 or linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 18:50.11 | linkslice | abrotman, yeah i'm running 686 currently but the client wants the 64-bit version |
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| 18:50.26 | unsolo | omg my file system seems blown |
| 18:50.35 | linkslice | amd64 would run Xeon cpu's in 64-bit mode? |
| 18:50.36 | unsolo | i cant do man pages out of diskspace |
| 18:50.49 | unsolo | i have 5 gigs free on / |
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| 18:51.37 | benjamindees | unsolo, some space is reserved for root |
| 18:51.39 | pzn | where to get lenny netinst cd image? |
| 18:51.41 | pgpkeys | how big is the drive totally? |
| 18:51.53 | abrotman | linkslice: yes |
| 18:52.02 | pgpkeys | some space (3% iirc) is reserved for root which you can adjust using tune2fs |
| 18:52.09 | abrotman | pzn: debian.org/devel/debian-installer .. if they're there this week |
| 18:52.16 | abrotman | it's 5% by default |
| 18:53.11 | pgpkeys | cool, always good to be reminded :) |
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| 18:53.48 | unsolo | benjamindees: its a 20 gig drive |
| 18:53.57 | unsolo | seems my /var/cache is whats blown |
| 18:54.03 | Solarion | stew: thanks |
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| 18:54.34 | pzn | abrotman, ok, it is there... downloading... |
| 18:54.44 | wd | abrotman: i have two flash plugin now how do i del the first one the synaptic one? |
| 18:54.58 | abrotman | wd: they're different things. . don't worry about it |
| 18:55.34 | FearedBliss | how come my nm-applet doesnt work ? |
| 18:55.41 | FearedBliss | i downloaded network-manager-gnome |
| 18:56.04 | FearedBliss | it says "Warning: could not acquire its service : nma_dbus_init(); |
| 18:56.22 | zxcx | thank you for tip, now custom options passed to kernel are working |
| 18:56.50 | unsolo | to be more specific its /var/cache/apace2/thats so full it cannot even be ls ed.. |
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| 18:57.17 | wd | abrotman: ok, went to test at disney and still error about needing flash, do i have to update flash in browser? |
| 18:57.28 | abrotman | wd: you do need to restart the browser |
| 18:57.40 | stew | generally you don't |
| 18:58.01 | wd | abrotman: i did |
| 18:58.16 | stew | these days a browser restart isn't necessary anyway |
| 18:58.20 | wd | abrotman: i'll do it again. |
| 18:58.29 | wd | stew: oh |
| 18:58.45 | stew | wd: check "about:plugins" and see if the version of flash you are expecting is found there |
| 18:58.46 | abrotman | i thought it still was .. but i don't mess with plugins that much |
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| 18:58.55 | stew | hasn't been for a few years |
| 19:00.14 | wd | stew: here's the first one from earlier install using synaptic: |
| 19:00.17 | wd | stew: ile name: libflash-mozplugin.so |
| 19:00.18 | wd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.33 | wd | stew: new install using adobe: |
| 19:00.44 | wd | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:00.45 | wd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:00.58 | Eulex | 4.0???? |
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| 19:01.43 | wd | Eulex: yes i used synaptic to install flash earlier.. i was told to use adobe's so now i have two entries in about: |
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| 19:02.38 | Eulex | hrrrmm well, basically, (1) the one in etch shouldn't work, and (2) if it did work you'd get 7.0... |
| 19:03.29 | tweaked | abrotman: i solved that problem but now im getting this http://pastebin.com/d78fbb244 |
| 19:03.53 | Eulex | ah wait |
| 19:04.10 | Eulex | libflash-mozplugin is the gpl library (which you do not want) |
| 19:04.24 | Eulex | it's not the one from adobe |
| 19:04.37 | wd | Eulex: right? how do i take out? |
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| 19:04.51 | Eulex | wd, I'd imagine that you'd uninstall it... |
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| 19:04.58 | wd | Eulex: oh, go back to synaptic and uncheck it huh? |
| 19:05.03 | Eulex | yeah |
| 19:05.07 | wd | Eulex: ok |
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| 19:05.23 | abrotman | tweaked: looks like something is trying to use SASL auth and failing |
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| 19:05.42 | abrotman | tweaked: the postfix docs have a bunch of stuff about using sasl and tls etc |
| 19:05.46 | tweaked | yeah im trying to connect from outlook |
| 19:06.17 | Seb | is there any way to do this in one query: select count(*)::float / (select count(*) from table) from table where field='this'; ? |
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| 19:07.02 | abrotman | Seb: ask #sql |
| 19:07.27 | Eulex | Seb, I'd imagine that you could do it with joins |
| 19:07.27 | Seb | oh |
| 19:07.30 | Seb | wrong chan, sorry |
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| 19:10.27 | FearedBliss | whats the point of using apt-get when aptitude is better |
| 19:10.28 | FearedBliss | ? |
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| 19:11.05 | stew | FearedBliss: there isn't one |
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| 19:11.23 | FearedBliss | i still see people using apt-get within tutorials and scripts |
| 19:11.31 | abrotman | FearedBliss: outdated or ignorant |
| 19:11.39 | FearedBliss | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=740792 |
| 19:11.40 | FearedBliss | lol |
| 19:11.42 | FearedBliss | 8 hours ago |
| 19:11.43 | FearedBliss | lol |
| 19:11.44 | markvandenborr1 | I have a machine I use to distribute internet access to my house mates |
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| 19:11.56 | markvandenborr1 | well, at least, that's the plan |
| 19:12.06 | markvandenborr1 | there seems to be a mysterious bug with ipmasq |
| 19:12.41 | markvandenborr1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:12.50 | markvandenborr1 | just ipmasq will also run fine |
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| 19:14.06 | lufthanza | what environment variable to i change to add /opt/es to the list of folders containing binaries? |
| 19:14.06 | FearedBliss | is "sudo aptitude purge kdm" enough or do i need to do "sudo aptitude --purge remove kdm" .. i dont see a point to the latter since the definition in aptitude --help says purge does the same and more as remove |
| 19:14.06 | markvandenborr1 | but - get this - when I reboot, it won't properly start ipmasq |
| 19:14.06 | abrotman | FearedBliss: are you using ubuntu or debian ? |
| 19:14.14 | markvandenborr1 | even if it says it has done so when I enable logging to /var/log/boot |
| 19:14.17 | abrotman | markvandenborr1: check the syslog/messages |
| 19:14.28 | FearedBliss | debian sid |
| 19:14.35 | lufthanza | how do I add /opt/es to $path permenantly? |
| 19:14.43 | FearedBliss | i use ubuntu on x86 boxes |
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| 19:15.11 | abrotman | you're using sid .. and you don't know how to remove packages? |
| 19:15.19 | FearedBliss | did you read what i said ? |
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| 19:15.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 19:15.52 | FearedBliss | you didnt read it correctly then.. |
| 19:15.56 | abrotman | yes, i did |
| 19:16.06 | FearedBliss | no you didnt, if you did you wouldnt state what you said |
| 19:16.18 | abrotman | okay, then go back and read your man page again |
| 19:16.21 | jelly-home | FearedBliss: one of the alternatives doesn't seem to be supported by manual at all |
| 19:16.21 | FearedBliss | obviously if i said the correct command to remove packages, i know how to remove |
| 19:16.45 | FearedBliss | jelly-home: weird.. --purge remove , remove , and purge work correctly in debian |
| 19:17.08 | FearedBliss | my question was is it neccessary to write --purge remove when you can get the same out of purge |
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| 19:17.22 | Eulex | FearedBliss, are you sure that aptitude --purge remove is actually doing a purge? |
| 19:17.38 | FearedBliss | Eulex : it says {p} next to packages as well |
| 19:17.53 | Eulex | ok |
| 19:18.01 | Eulex | I guess it's undocumented in the manpage then |
| 19:18.11 | FearedBliss | yea |
| 19:18.18 | abrotman | FearedBliss: do you understand what is leftover when you leave out the purge? |
| 19:18.26 | FearedBliss | i just do "purge" since i get the same benefit as "--purge remove" |
| 19:18.30 | FearedBliss | yes |
| 19:18.33 | FearedBliss | configuration files |
| 19:18.44 | FearedBliss | but you can just do purge and purge will delete configuration files and packages |
| 19:18.56 | markvandenborr1 | abrotman: thx for the suggestion |
| 19:18.58 | abrotman | so if purge and "--purge remove" are the same .. what's your question ? |
| 19:19.11 | FearedBliss | just confirming that |
| 19:19.13 | markvandenborr1 | I've looked at syslog before |
| 19:19.24 | markvandenborr1 | and your reminder made me do it again |
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| 19:19.43 | markvandenborr1 | hadn't done it after adding ipmasq to /etc/rc.local |
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| 19:20.00 | abrotman | doing what? |
| 19:20.03 | abrotman | nevermind .. |
| 19:20.11 | markvandenborr1 | I discovered a typo of mine (/usr/bin/ipmasq instead of /usr/sbin/ipmasq) |
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| 19:20.23 | markvandenborr1 | but there probably is a bug |
| 19:21.13 | markvandenborr1 | in the default system, even if I have things working now using this gross hack |
| 19:21.24 | unsolo | to delete all files in a folder thats just tooo large will |
| 19:21.30 | unsolo | rm -rf | find . -type f work ? |
| 19:21.35 | Airbottle | whats the easiest way to set HDD-standby-times with hdparm on startup? |
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| 19:22.06 | abrotman | unsolo: uh ... no |
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| 19:22.10 | unsolo | hnmm |
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| 19:22.19 | unsolo | abrotman: reverse ? |
| 19:22.27 | markvandenborr1 | abrotman: ipmasq refuses to start when calling it the usual way from the correct place in the init scripts |
| 19:22.38 | amphi | Airbottle: /etc/default/hdparm I would think |
| 19:22.54 | abrotman | unsolo: you want to start with man find .. make sure you're getting the list of files you want first |
| 19:23.01 | abrotman | markvandenborr1: errors? |
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| 19:23.10 | unsolo | abrotman: i want every single file under that folder. |
| 19:23.15 | unsolo | deleted |
| 19:23.22 | unsolo | rm -rf cant take it its to many files |
| 19:23.34 | lufthanza | would anyone help me alter my path? |
| 19:23.35 | gladideg | I need help to add my script to startup on my debian installation... I've added the script to init.d, and now what? |
| 19:23.57 | Airbottle | ok, thanks amphi |
| 19:24.16 | Tramp | unsolo: check the "--exec/--execdir" option in man find. Try with "ls" first, then change to "rm". |
| 19:24.16 | Eulex | unsolo, rather, the globbing produces a too large file list. if its acceptable to remove the directory too, you can just rm -rf the directory. |
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| 19:24.55 | stelica | Hello, I'm trying to mount root as ext2 instead of ext3. Modifying /etc/fstab was of no use, it still mounts as ext3. This is a remote system and I can't go offline for a tune2fs -O ^has_journal . Any ideas ? |
| 19:24.58 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 19:24.58 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 19:25.05 | markvandenborr1 | abrotman: that's the strange thing: it _says_ ipmasq has started |
| 19:25.17 | markvandenborr1 | but it seems it hasn't |
| 19:25.30 | FearedBliss | where is the file where i can edit what starts up at boot time ? |
| 19:25.41 | FearedBliss | my /etc/rc.local has nothing but exit 0 |
| 19:26.13 | markvandenborr1 | so unless I start the ipmasq init script manually, I have no internet connectivity on the machine, nor of course on anything behind it |
| 19:26.32 | gladideg | dpkg, ok. I have a init script, that points to the script in /usr/local/sbin/, I'v tried updating with update-rc.d, but I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. It says my command is not correct |
| 19:26.32 | dpkg | gladideg: I think you lost me on that one |
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| 19:26.42 | Eulex | !bot |
| 19:26.42 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:26.45 | markvandenborr1 | abrotman: the stuff is in /etc/rcblah.d |
| 19:26.57 | markvandenborr1 | the symlinks to /etc/init.d are there |
| 19:27.01 | stew | gladideg: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:27.01 | enouf | FearedBliss: it's read by /etc/init.d/rc.local, iirc |
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| 19:27.09 | FearedBliss | enouf, thanks |
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| 19:27.17 | gladideg | stew, ok thank you |
| 19:27.21 | markvandenborr1 | it's just been verified by a friend of mine who is a dd |
| 19:27.28 | markvandenborr1 | strange |
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| 19:28.15 | FearedBliss | thing is i installed splashy, and it works great, but the problem is that after splashy boots my x doesnt start automatically. i have to manually login and startx |
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| 19:28.49 | enouf | FearedBliss: using a DM? |
| 19:28.50 | Justin | stelica: you could run the tune2fs command from an initscript before the root filesytem is mounted read write |
| 19:28.53 | gladideg | http://rafb.net/p/11oYJB18.html <- |
| 19:28.59 | unsolo | Eulex: ? how |
| 19:29.08 | unsolo | using rm -rf |
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| 19:29.11 | FearedBliss | enouf, yea gdm. gdm works but atm splashy is doing something that doesnt let gdm start |
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| 19:29.31 | Eulex | unsolo, umh.... rm -rf /path/to/directory? |
| 19:29.31 | stelica | Justin: this is etch ; what is the exact initscript I should modify ? |
| 19:29.39 | enouf | no idea then .. except, maybe |
| 19:29.43 | unsolo | Eulex: it crashes |
| 19:29.46 | enouf | !xsession |
| 19:29.46 | dpkg | [xsession] ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
| 19:29.54 | Eulex | unsolo, oh, was assuming that you did r |
| 19:30.00 | Eulex | unsolo, oh, was assuming that you did rm -rf * inside the directory |
| 19:30.06 | Justin | stelica: checkroot, probably |
| 19:30.17 | yang | I am wondering where in kde can i control/disable double click option for my touchpad ? |
| 19:30.28 | stelica | Justin: thanks, I'll try that |
| 19:30.28 | FearedBliss | there we go. enouf, gdm automatically fixed itself :O |
| 19:30.41 | enouf | heh |
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| 19:31.04 | gladideg | http://rafb.net/p/11oYJB18.html <- the init.d thing |
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| 19:31.51 | ElectroAce | Hello |
| 19:31.59 | ElectroAce | dows anyone here |
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| 19:32.08 | ElectroAce | could give me obe chell |
| 19:32.10 | ElectroAce | Pleese |
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| 19:33.02 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 19:35.08 | enouf | yang: tried #debian-kde? |
| 19:35.37 | abrotman | ElectroAce: do NOT msg me |
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| 19:35.41 | stew | ElectroAce: a what? is that a debian related question? |
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| 19:36.17 | abrotman | stew: oh .. a shell .. i think |
| 19:36.19 | rahsputin | hi |
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| 19:36.43 | enouf | unsolo: is it complaining about command list argument too long? (or similar) .. try find /path/to/dir -exec rm {} + (<--replace rm with echo 1st to test) |
| 19:37.53 | ElectroAce | stew : UNIX shell for psyBNCs I need |
| 19:38.02 | ElectroAce | Could anyone give me that |
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| 19:38.30 | stew | ElectroAce: this is a debian support channel. if you don't have any debian support related questions. please move on. |
| 19:38.32 | abrotman | ElectroAce: no .. this is not the channel for that |
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| 19:38.51 | rahsputin | i installed debian with floppy base-system to an old toshiba satellite 110CT 40MB RAM , when i boot it shows only this : booting 'Debian GNU... kernel 2.6.18-6-486 root (hd0,0) and so on and end ( freezes ) at this line savedefault |
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| 19:40.25 | enouf | rahsputin: might you need to pass the lowmem= option to kernel at boot? (or appended in /boot/grub/menu.lst to your kernel line) |
| 19:40.33 | Acxty | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.58 | enouf | rahsputin: the installation guide section 5.x.x.x Boot Parameters has info, IIRC |
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| 19:41.30 | rahsputin | ok, i'll check it out , thanx ;) |
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| 19:42.21 | Osax | Hey guyz |
| 19:43.31 | Osax | I have recovered a crashed mysql db on etch, what password should I use for debian-sys-maint user for mysql? Please |
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| 19:43.58 | stew | Osax: it doesn't matter what password you use, as long as it matches the password in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 19:44.54 | Osax | Thanks a million! :) |
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| 19:46.35 | Airian | Hi, I'm creating a Debian-based OS called AirOS, and I am currently stuck, for the fact that we need more developers. I know, this may be a bit off-topic, but is anyone here interested in helping? |
| 19:47.43 | stew | Airian: why would you create a debian-based os instead of just contributing changes to debian? |
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| 19:48.30 | davi | Airian, Have you money to offer? |
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| 19:49.15 | Airian | OK, I see that no-one is actually interested in making a good, lightweight system with the reward being a good, lightweight system! |
| 19:49.39 | davi | Airian, Debian is already a good, lightweight system |
| 19:49.58 | enouf | rahsputin: it actually 6.2 Components Introduction http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s02.html.en generally mentioned on/for the installer - i can't find any generic lowmem kernel parameter, 40MB might not be enough (you'll definitely need swap - but perhaps etch is just a wee bit much for that machine - i thought i recall conversations about somewhere between 48-64MB minimum) |
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| 19:50.34 | Airian | I am not saying that Debian is NOT a lightweight or good system, I'm saying I want something MORE lightweight. |
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| 19:51.24 | davi | Airian, you could help to improve debian, and forget about flagging a new distro with your name |
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| 19:51.52 | rahsputin | enouf, when i installed, it notified me of my low mem. and switch automatically to low-mem mode.... hmm |
| 19:51.57 | crow | anyone know where I can find a reiser4 enabled deb installer? |
| 19:52.05 | Airian | Steven would kill me if I did that, davi. |
| 19:52.06 | up365 | Airian, name something for example that is "heavy" in debian |
| 19:52.10 | abrotman | is reiser4 even in the mainstream kernel yet? |
| 19:52.19 | crow | abrotman: nope |
| 19:52.38 | pgpkeys | shudders at the thought of reiser anything |
| 19:52.44 | rahsputin | enouf, the thing has 40 MB Max. lol |
| 19:52.44 | streuner | if its not in unstable, you are out of luck |
| 19:52.46 | crow | abrotman: the reiser4sprogs are in sid, tho |
| 19:52.47 | davi | Airian, who is Steven? Why would kill you? |
| 19:52.52 | abrotman | crow: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
| 19:52.56 | Airian | first of all, Debian is KDE, one of the heaviest X Windows environments out there. |
| 19:53.06 | aleksanteri | Airian, debian is NOT kde. |
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| 19:53.16 | pgpkeys | debian is whatever you install |
| 19:53.28 | enouf | rahsputin: i see .. makes sense, but perhaps you have an initrd issue? i'm trying to ascertain exactly where it's freezing .. |
| 19:53.29 | davi | Airian, Debian is Gnome, KDE, XFE a lot more |
| 19:53.46 | enouf | rahsputin: seems like right as the kernel tries to load |
| 19:53.48 | abrotman | Airian: you're so wrong! |
| 19:53.50 | aleksanteri | and i don't think kde is the heaviest out there :/ |
| 19:53.55 | Airian | i know that. but my system i didnt tell it to install KDE, and it did during the install (This is 4.0 R3) |
| 19:53.56 | stew | crow: we'd strongly encourage you to not use reiserfs. more people come in here looking for help with broken reiserfs filesystems than all other filesystems combined. by a lot |
| 19:54.12 | aleksanteri | Airian, doesn't change the fact that debian is not kde. |
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| 19:54.16 | Airian | I said ONE of the heaviest. The heaviest is Looking Glass. |
| 19:54.25 | stew | Airian: do you need help removing kde? |
| 19:54.35 | rahsputin | enouf, one , i'll boot it real quick and write and paste the lines, can take 4-5 minutes |
| 19:54.36 | crow | stew: I'm a linux-deb freak, so... |
| 19:54.49 | Airian | No, I am running XFCE for the fact that I'm pretty much using AirOS currently. |
| 19:54.55 | crow | stew: but, thanks |
| 19:55.07 | Airian | stew: what crow said. |
| 19:55.17 | stew | Airian: what about it? |
| 19:55.36 | Airian | I meant I say the same thing he said! |
| 19:55.42 | Airian | "but, thanks." |
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| 19:56.24 | becki | how can is allow java applets in my iceweasel to access network? |
| 19:56.57 | Airian | Give me one example of something graphical i could do for Debian and I might think about cancelling AirOS |
| 19:57.11 | Airian | Because I am.. super graphical designer man! |
| 19:57.27 | stew | becki: edit lib/security/java.policy in your jre's directory |
| 19:57.42 | enouf | combine the best of links2 + dillo into and keep it small |
| 19:57.43 | davi | Airian, Improve kdm or gdm? |
| 19:58.09 | enouf | s/into/into one |
| 19:58.15 | davi | Airian, draw a new cool default background? |
| 19:58.23 | stew | Airian: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDesktopArtwork |
| 19:58.50 | Airian | I'll try the Background one first. I am not familiar with KDM or GDM's tar data tree. |
| 19:59.00 | trpr | there are lots of projects that need assistance. i think its frustrating how everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. create a new distro that will just die from lack of support, for example |
| 19:59.13 | enouf | screw DMs do something useful |
| 19:59.15 | davi | Airian, the gnuherds.org project have very odd icons |
| 19:59.16 | enouf | :-) |
| 19:59.23 | rahsputin | enouf, http://rafb.net/p/3alOfH46.html |
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| 20:00.04 | Cle0 | i when i use aptitude install i have this message u should download 0o d'archives. |
| 20:00.27 | stew | Cle0: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:00.47 | rahsputin | enouf, forgot the top line: Booting 'Debian GNU/LINUX, kernel 2.6.18-6-486 ;) |
| 20:01.19 | Airian | :-X to GIMP / Inkscape to draw Debian wallpapers!!!! |
| 20:01.44 | becki | stew, where is my jre's directory? |
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| 20:02.10 | stew | becki: somewhere in /usr/lib/jvm (assuming you installed it using debian packages) |
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| 20:02.21 | becki | thx |
| 20:02.57 | enouf | rahsputin: yeah., kinda looks like what i thought - you might as in #debian-boot on oftc.net .. or email them about it, give all the info you gave me, and let them know exactly how you installed .. sorry, but seems like a memory issue - do "/msg dpkg dbse" follow URLs and read about the diffs, and perhaps hit wiki.debian.org |
| 20:03.17 | Cle0 | stew http://rafb.net/p/sgwQbh16.html |
| 20:03.22 | Cle0 | http://rafb.net/p/sgwQbh16.html |
| 20:04.03 | becki | stew, and what should i write in that file? |
| 20:04.06 | enouf | rahsputin: a small typo too at line 3 --> kernel /boot/vmlinut-2.6.18-6--486 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
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| 20:04.29 | rahsputin | lol ;) thanx |
| 20:05.14 | stew | becki: i dont' know off the top of my head. google for "java.policy applet network" |
| 20:05.36 | stew | Cle0: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy lokkit" ? |
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| 20:06.58 | Cle0 | stew http://rafb.net/p/QscHbg88.html |
| 20:07.13 | Cle0 | but i have this problem with more packages |
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| 20:07.25 | Cle0 | not only lokkit |
| 20:07.53 | stew | Cle0: i dont' see a problem. you are asking it to install a pacakge that is already installed and fully up to date, so it doesn't ahve anything to do |
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| 20:08.13 | Cle0 | ok:) |
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| 20:10.03 | thecruftyprogram | Debian at Home for Family Use: feasible? |
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| 20:10.28 | maligor | why wouldn't it be |
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| 20:10.35 | bony | there is a script which has some problems with it i am unable to figure out what went wrong with this script can any one fix it? http://swechabox.selfip.org/~bhuvan/rm2mp3 |
| 20:10.43 | thecruftyprogram | lol just wondered if any one had tried that scenario |
| 20:11.07 | maligor | just lock down the desktop so they don't accidentally mess it |
| 20:11.23 | thecruftyprogram | k, thanks |
| 20:11.28 | maligor | unless they want to mess with it |
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| 20:11.40 | maligor | personally I can't stand the default desktop configurations |
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| 20:12.30 | thecruftyprogram | naw, this would be file services / backup services... the spouse wants the kids to have windumpster educational programs, and I don't think it's up to running a wine session over X to a thin client |
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| 20:14.38 | thecruftyprogram | not that you couldn't, it's just that alot of the educraptastic software for Winblows has a bunch of ActiveX junk in it...I think it will drag severely as it attempts to push those as X11 updates across the network |
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| 20:15.14 | yang | How can I disable "click on touch" in Synaptics touchpad device ? |
| 20:15.17 | aliredo | heyyy |
| 20:15.33 | aliredo | http://sportscentre.forumotion.com/ join this site and u will make u an admin!!!! |
| 20:15.45 | maligor | thecruftyprogram, heh, debian would work fine for that too |
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| 20:15.57 | maligor | assuming you know how to configure 'file services' |
| 20:15.59 | aliredo | http://sportscentre.forumotion.com/ and become a mod |
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| 20:16.06 | aliredo | http://sportscentre.forumotion.com/ |
| 20:16.07 | thecruftyprogram | and as you can guess, I'm not wild about the idea of having to dole out $$ for boxes for the kids just to run that |
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| 20:16.49 | thecruftyprogram | you think that I could have a nice beefy server support Win32 educational software via WINE, exported as X11 over a 802.11g link? |
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| 20:18.45 | thecruftyprogram | seriously - do you think it will work, or will it lag something awful? |
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| 20:21.20 | testga22 | http://pastebin.com/d5a49982c <- wht is this not starting up at boot? <- checked with update-rc.d, and it says system links allready exists... ie. added to init.d and update-rc.d is runned |
| 20:22.00 | testga22 | is it because it's in /usr/local/ ? |
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| 20:23.58 | stew | testga22: is the file in init.d executable? is /usr/local/sbin/streamingadminserver.pl executable? do you really want to call that script the same way for start as stop? |
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| 20:25.26 | testga22 | stew, thank you for your questions... the file ..*.pl is executable, and it's not nescesary to be able to stop it, for now... I will check init.d right now |
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| 20:26.08 | testga22 | stew, it's in /etc/init.d/ yep |
| 20:26.24 | Bushmills | maybe you try to start it before network has been started, and it balks on not having network. just add some echo statements, redirect output to /tmp/yourchoice, to confirm that your init.d script is executed. |
| 20:26.39 | testga22 | yep, I'll give that a try. |
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| 20:27.05 | Bushmills | also, execute it late. S97 or so |
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| 20:28.27 | stew | testga22: does it do what you expect when you directly run "/etc/init.d/whatever start"? |
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| 20:30.28 | abrotman | Airian: there is a debian art team .. they might need help on other items |
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| 20:32.19 | testga22 | stew, not really... it echo's that it failed to start the progam, and that the port is used by another program, and that the program allready may be running,.. which it's not .. in other words, it actually starts the script... I'll try add PERL before the path to the script and see if it works |
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| 20:33.00 | stew | testga22: if its getting far enough to tell you that the port is used, you don't need to change the way you are calling the script |
| 20:33.07 | embkas | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:33.43 | testga22 | stew, ok hmm .. it's kind of strange |
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| 20:34.32 | abrotman | embkas: probably look at the CUPS documentation |
| 20:34.54 | stew | testga22: is the fact that the port is in use an indication that it was actually started at boot? |
| 20:35.09 | stew | testga22: how did you determine that it wasn't starting at boot? |
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| 20:35.20 | testga22 | stew, checked the processes |
| 20:35.23 | testga22 | ps -e |
| 20:35.29 | stew | testga22: is it started now? |
| 20:35.45 | testga22 | yes it starts manully with /etc/init.d/ blah, but not on boot |
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| 20:36.14 | stew | < stew> testga22: does it do what you expect when you directly run "/etc/init.d/whatever start"? < testga22> stew, not really |
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| 20:36.57 | testga22 | stew, true... but I was pointing to the erros it outputted |
| 20:37.15 | stew | testga22: so it outputs errors, but starts anyway? |
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| 20:37.24 | testga22 | stew, yes |
| 20:37.55 | testga22 | like now, just rebooted... I do ps aux and the process is not there |
| 20:38.07 | stew | testga22: what port is it trying to bind to? |
| 20:38.14 | stew | testga22: what is this software exactly? |
| 20:38.27 | testga22 | stew, it's an Open Source streaming server, by Apple. |
| 20:38.47 | testga22 | it works very well, but as you probably see, I just have problems making it boot on startup |
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| 20:38.57 | stew | testga22: what port does it try to bind to? |
| 20:39.23 | testga22 | though, running /etc/init.d/blah works, and is fine for me |
| 20:39.26 | testga22 | port is 1220 |
| 20:39.39 | stew | testga22: is anything bound to port 1220 now? |
| 20:39.39 | testga22 | but it won't run that cmd on startup somehow |
| 20:39.46 | testga22 | what is the command for tht? |
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| 20:40.56 | stew | testga22: lsof -i :1220 -n |
| 20:41.05 | Tramp | testga22: lsof -ni tcp:1220 |
| 20:41.27 | testga22 | command not found |
| 20:41.37 | shib | does anyone know when possible debian willbe updating it's gtk to a semi-recent version (2.10+)? |
| 20:41.46 | testga22 | installing it now |
| 20:41.46 | Tramp | sry, stew is right. |
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| 20:43.10 | testga22 | stew, nothing is bound to 1220 according to lsof |
| 20:43.37 | stew | testga22: please run the init script manually, and show us the output: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:43.46 | stew | !info libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 20:43.50 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.12.9-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2014 kB, Installed size: 4960 kB |
| 20:44.22 | jmpp_ | greets! |
| 20:44.29 | stew | shib: are you asking about etch, the current debian stable? or the next version of debian? or what? |
| 20:44.36 | jmpp_ | I have a problem with iptables and server reboot |
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| 20:44.52 | shib | little of both... debian stable being updated, or what the next release will ship with |
| 20:44.55 | jmpp_ | I've read the init.d iptables script is deprecated, right...? |
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| 20:45.31 | stew | shib: debian stable is never updated once it is released. |
| 20:45.37 | \amethyst | shib: etch will have 2.8 forever. Lenny has 2.12, and will have at least 2.12 when it is released as the next stable |
| 20:45.40 | jmpp_ | but then, the other method is /etc/network/if-up.d, but for me that's an empty dir, nothing in it |
| 20:45.41 | stew | shib: the next stable release of debian (codenamed lenny) will have 2.12 or better |
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| 20:46.00 | shib | when is lenny scheduled for release? |
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| 20:46.21 | jmpp_ | and there's no symlink for iptables in any of the /etc/rc*.d dirs |
| 20:46.27 | stew | shib: as soon as it has no release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical ; debian doesn't schedule them, they are released when they are ready |
| 20:46.38 | shib | (basically, is it worth it to update gtk in etch, or wait for lenny) |
| 20:46.47 | jmpp_ | so I'm wondering what's actually starting iptables (a sarge 3.1 box), because it's picking up the wrong set of rles |
| 20:46.50 | jmpp_ | *rules |
| 20:46.50 | shib | stew: neat system |
| 20:46.53 | voltarw | hey |
| 20:47.40 | \amethyst | shib: I'd recommend waiting for lenny; if you really need the new version, you could try to create a backport (/msg dpkg simple sid backport), but that's for advanced users |
| 20:47.45 | jmpp_ | my rules work just fine, and I saved them as the "active" set in /var/lib/iptables through /etc/init.d/iptables, but they're not being picked up upon server reboot |
| 20:48.01 | testga22 | stew, it doesn't output any errors anymore... don't ask me why... if I run it directly now /etc/init.d/darwinstreamingserver, it startsup perfectly and binds to port 1220 |
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| 20:48.08 | Ozux | hi, I installed wine and wine installed msttfont package that started to download fonts from Internet, I don't like this fonts on my system and I pressed Ctrl+C, and then I removed (purged) wine and mssttfonts but after each apt-get install it steal start downloading this fonts, how Can I disable this? |
| 20:48.27 | minerale | is there a backport of the latest version of lighttpd? |
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| 20:48.45 | stew | minerale: http://packages.debian.org/lighttpd |
| 20:49.10 | testga22 | stew, so the issue is... why doesn't the /etc/init.d/darwin... load onstartup.. |
| 20:49.30 | wartolw | hi, I'm looking for a MMO to play in debian. wine or native |
| 20:50.01 | \amethyst | minerale: there is a 1.4.19 backport, according to the link stew gave |
| 20:50.26 | shib | \amethyst: ifI backport 2.12, does that break my current gtk programs? |
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| 20:51.34 | minerale | \amethyst: I was looking for a 1.5 backport (where they introduced ajp). I compiled it in my system and linkjacked the 1.4 binary to point to 1.5. but the init scripts don't seem to work |
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| 20:51.46 | jmpp_ | anyone...? how's iptables started at boot time on debian sarge 3.1 if there's nothing in /etc/network/if-up.d and no symlink to the /etc/init.d/iptables script in any of the /etc/rc*.d directories....? |
| 20:51.49 | stew | testga22: which symlink in /etc/rc?.d are you expecting to run it? |
| 20:51.57 | minerale | \amethyst: more specifically, it seems to ignore the init script |
| 20:51.59 | jmpp_ | iptables is somehow starting with the wrong rule set |
| 20:52.22 | minerale | \amethyst: more specifically, it seems to ignore the init script's "daemon pid file" so it never writes out the current pid file* |
| 20:52.24 | stew | jmpp_: by an up or pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces? /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh? |
| 20:52.25 | jmpp_ | not the ones I saved as the "active" set through /etc/init.d/iptables |
| 20:52.30 | \amethyst | minerale: AFAIK there isn't a debian package for 1.5... perhaps the startup commands have changed? |
| 20:52.38 | testga22 | stew, I don't understand. |
| 20:52.38 | jmpp_ | stew: let me check |
| 20:52.41 | stew | jmpp_: note that you should be upgrading to etch. security support for sarge is ending in april |
| 20:53.01 | jmpp_ | stew: noted, thanks |
| 20:53.03 | stew | testga22: did you create a symlink to the init.d script somewhere in /etc/rc2.d or some similar directory? |
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| 20:53.19 | embkas | cups documentation doesn't seem to give a solution on ho to share a usb printer in a private network - are there anyone who can point me to a howto or lead me through it? |
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| 20:53.48 | testga22 | stew, no I didn't. Should I? |
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| 20:54.56 | stew | testga22: yes. we'd recommend using update-rc.d to create them |
| 20:55.08 | testga22 | stew, yep 've runned update-rc.d |
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| 20:55.38 | testga22 | stew, # update-rc.d darwinstreamingserver defaults |
| 20:55.43 | testga22 | that is what I ran |
| 20:56.03 | stew | testga22: does /etc/rc2.d/S20darwinstreamingserver exist? |
| 20:56.10 | \amethyst | shib: As long as they don't depend on 2.8 specifically, they should be fine |
| 20:56.11 | stew | testga22: (or something similar) |
| 20:56.20 | testga22 | stew, yes but it starts with S99 |
| 20:56.55 | \amethyst | shib: most packages that depend on gtk would have either an unversioned dependency, or a versioned dependency like libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.x) |
| 20:57.02 | Seb | is there any performance benefit at all in doing RAID-0 over 2 partitions of the same physical disk ? |
| 20:57.08 | stew | testga22: what does "file $(readlink -f /etc/nologin)" return? |
| 20:57.12 | enouf | you need a special kernel module for that testga22 ? |
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| 20:57.32 | stew | Seb: there is a performance degradation |
| 20:57.41 | \amethyst | shib: those will still work with the new one. However, if a package you use depends on libgtk2.0-0 (= 2.8.x) or (< 2.12) then you might have a problem |
| 20:57.46 | enouf | (i have no idea what a darwinstreamingserver is) |
| 20:57.50 | Seb | stew: heh k |
| 20:58.13 | testga22 | enouf, it a RTSP streaming server |
| 20:58.18 | testga22 | opensource project from Apple |
| 20:58.32 | \amethyst | minerale: you might try getting the debian source package for 1.4.19, and merging the diffs into the 1.5 source |
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| 20:58.50 | testga22 | stew, it doesn't do anything, new line with only : > |
| 20:58.56 | un0p | Does anyone know of a debconf option to some package to have each user's home directory's permissions set very restrictive - i remember seeing it somewhere once, can't remember where that was now. |
| 20:59.00 | stew | testga22: what version of debian is this? |
| 20:59.01 | lindenle | what is a .S file |
| 20:59.07 | \amethyst | minerale: it would probably be a pain, depending on how much has changed in 1.5, but it's possible. Presumably that's what the maintainer will be doing at some point |
| 20:59.08 | jmpp_ | stew: no up or pre-up line in /etc/network/interfaces and nothing related to iptables in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 20:59.09 | lindenle | in the kerenel code |
| 20:59.15 | jmpp_ | is confused |
| 21:00.00 | jmpp_ | stew: and I issue "dpkg-reconfigure iptables" in hope I can regain some control... but no questions are asked, nothing seems to happen |
| 21:00.05 | testga22 | stew, Debian 4.1.1-21 |
| 21:00.06 | jmpp_ | where I could be going wrong? |
| 21:00.16 | stew | testga22: what is that? |
| 21:00.21 | stew | testga22: where did you get that number? |
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| 21:00.29 | testga22 | cat /proc/version |
| 21:00.38 | testga22 | 2.6.18.8-xen-vs2.2 |
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| 21:01.14 | stew | testga22: what version of libc6 is installed? |
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| 21:02.24 | testga22 | stew, I'm not so skilled with linux yet, can you please tell me how to see the version of libc6? |
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| 21:03.01 | stew | testga22: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 21:03.18 | testga22 | stew, 2.3.6.ds1-13et |
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| 21:03.51 | jmpp_ | I guess I could ask, instead: what's the recommended way for starting iptables with a defined ruleset? |
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| 21:04.34 | testga22 | Other scripts run just fine at startup (apache/mysql) etc, but this needs to be started manually... it's strange for me that it should be dependent on kernel or libraries.. ? |
| 21:05.28 | Shadow_mil | does hosts.deny block dns lookup on host names? |
| 21:06.15 | shib | E: Build-Depends dependency for gtk+2.0 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package gnome-pkg-tools can satisfy version requirements |
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| 21:06.34 | shib | is trying to backport gtk... i have a dep-src line in my source |
| 21:06.52 | shib | following dpkg's instructions |
| 21:07.16 | stew | testga22: i'd suggest having your script log to a file. maybe something like "/usr/local/sbin/streamingadminserver.pl > /tmp/streamingserver.out 2>&1" and check the contents of /tmp/streamingserver.out after login. or enable boot logging: /msg dpkg bootlog |
| 21:07.45 | stew | shib: then you have to backport gnome-pkg-tools first, then continue |
| 21:08.05 | stew | testga22: its not dependent or kernel or libraries, since it works after boot |
| 21:08.19 | enouf | lindenle: Setup (or System) ? ... review a few like linux/arch/x86_64/boot/bootsect.S and linux/arch/x86_64/boot/setup.S |
| 21:08.26 | shib | stew: thx |
| 21:08.29 | testga22 | stew, I'll give it a try asap |
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| 21:08.42 | lindenle | enouf: Where could i look up the syntax? |
| 21:09.02 | enouf | lindenle: well, that's either C or ASM, iinm |
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| 21:09.16 | lindenle | !asm |
| 21:09.17 | dpkg | [asm] a sweet system-level programming language, or linuxasm.org, or <-- LinuxAssembly.org instead |
| 21:09.23 | lindenle | ok |
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| 21:09.55 | enouf | lindenle: i think a lot of ASM has been replaced recently for .24 ? |
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| 21:10.12 | lindenle | im looking at 1.2.4 running on a micro-controller |
| 21:10.19 | lindenle | trying to change the clock speed |
| 21:10.43 | enouf | inazad: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_23#head-0355e857d2c4c3c42e654cbfa653e671473fd1a1 |
| 21:10.49 | enouf | lindenle: i mean |
| 21:11.06 | ofx | Hi all |
| 21:12.03 | ofx | guys, can anybody tell me where can i download an unstable installation cd, since i have a new machine with some new hardware that stable version doesnt support |
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| 21:13.02 | phycho | hey guys, i dont suppose anyone happens to know a half-decent console terminal client for me to configure my switch? |
| 21:13.07 | stew | ofx: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 21:14.31 | abrotman | phycho: minicom or kermit |
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| 21:14.37 | phycho | k |
| 21:14.44 | phycho | ty |
| 21:14.47 | enouf | or gtkterm phycho |
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| 21:15.22 | abrotman | enouf: console ? |
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| 21:15.40 | enouf | oh, my bad |
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| 21:17.10 | testga22 | stew, does runlevel have anything to do with the issue with startup scripts? |
| 21:17.55 | stew | testga22: yes, when you enter runlevel X, the scripts in /etc/rcX.d are run. by default. debian boots to runlevel 2 |
| 21:18.26 | testga22 | ah ok |
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| 21:26.53 | shib | can I leave this deb-src line in my sources.list afterwards? who's repo gets priority when say (for example) I do apt-get instal nmap? |
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| 21:27.00 | shib | but spell it right |
| 21:27.09 | grendal_prime | ive mounted two machines and im trying to rsync a file from one machne to another...i keep getting an error about file to large.."File too large (27)" to be exact. Im trying to determin if its a smb client problem or an rsync problem. The file is just over 2 gigs |
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| 21:27.44 | avtobiff | shib, it is prioritized in order of occurance in sources.list. and may /etc/apt/apt.conf if you have one of those or may something else if you use apt-pinning. |
| 21:27.52 | avtobiff | errr... maybe |
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| 21:27.55 | avtobiff | not may |
| 21:28.29 | stew | shib: deb-src lines are not involved when you run "apt-get install", only when you run "apt-get source" or "apt-get build-dep" |
| 21:28.29 | wam__ | Do you guys think that would be a usable piece of software? Something that calls all scripts in every user's $HOME/rc.d directory with parameter "start" when system starts up and in reverse order with parameter "stop" when system shuts down AS the user in who`s home the script lies? |
| 21:28.29 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 21:28.29 | dpkg | <Aleric> pumpkin0: I noticed that there are a LOT of capacitor on the the motherbord of 1200 micro Farad (6.3 V), that ALL have 'burst open' ;) .. stuff is coming out of it. I now think that it might be a reason for at least extra instability. |
| 21:28.46 | abrotman | wam__: that's what the K is for |
| 21:29.03 | abrotman | wam__: and users have crontabs that they can use @reboot |
| 21:29.04 | enouf | un0p: are you sure you're referring to debconf? or do you mean a specific pkg? like rbash, scponlyc, et al? |
| 21:29.05 | wam__ | abrotman: K? |
| 21:29.35 | wam__ | abrotman: you mean script name prefix K? |
| 21:29.42 | hudu | help a noob? How can I mount this device? ... 'mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt -o ro' gives me 'mount: you must specify the filesystem type' ... 'fdisk -l' gives me '/dev/sda1 * 1 1956 500720+ 6 FAT16' |
| 21:30.01 | enouf | wam__: /msg dpkg file-rc |
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| 21:30.16 | shib | stew: I use build-dep from time to time... in that case it reads top down first hit sort of method? or offer both versions if that's the case |
| 21:30.31 | stew | hudu: ro would go in the options column, not at the end with -o |
| 21:30.36 | blizzow | Anyone here running a .6.x version of compiz on etch? |
| 21:30.38 | abrotman | wam__: look in /etc/rc6.d/ |
| 21:30.40 | wam__ | abrotman: and what about shutdown and startup? |
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| 21:31.01 | Rat409 | s=start k=kill |
| 21:31.02 | stew | shib: it uses the available source package with the greatest version number |
| 21:31.31 | enouf | grendal_prime: did you try with cifs instead of smbfs? |
| 21:31.36 | grendal_prime | i guess what i need is a way to make sure large file support is enabled |
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| 21:31.54 | enouf | grendal_prime: is one of the partitions fat32 ? |
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| 21:32.18 | hudu | stew: should it be 'mount -t ro auto /dev/sda1 /mnt -o'? |
| 21:32.30 | shib | stew: thanks again :) |
| 21:32.32 | wam__ | abrotman: enouf: To be clear: My use-case is that all users have several services to start/stop on system startup and shutdown. I developed a solution for this and I just wanted to ask if this is worth the effort to release and maintain it. |
| 21:32.32 | stew | hudu: oh jeez. ignore me. i'm confused |
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| 21:32.35 | \amethyst | wam__: you could put something like su "$USER" -c 'run-parts -a start "$HOME/rc.d"' in rc.local or a custom init script |
| 21:32.54 | \amethyst | wam__: oh, you already have it implemented, my bad |
| 21:32.57 | stew | hudu: do you know what filesystem type is on that partition? |
| 21:33.30 | XLV | is it possible to partition a linux software raid5 array? i need to partition it, so i can make 20GB of it /, the rest space for lvm.. or should i wait for raid5 to finish building? |
| 21:33.31 | hudu | stew: the filesystem on the device I'm trying to mount? It appears to be FAT16 |
| 21:33.37 | wam__ | \amethyst: yeah ;) It's python - that would have been the other question: Is a python script portable enough ;) |
| 21:33.44 | stew | hudu: that's the partition type, not the filesystem type |
| 21:34.00 | abrotman | wam__: yes, but you still could have used init scripts .. but you could certainly just dump it to freshmeat and never touch it again :) |
| 21:34.00 | stew | hudu: what does "file -s /dev/sda1" return? |
| 21:34.01 | grendal_prime | enouf: im pretty sure these are both ntfs..well let me explain this way.. im copying from a netapps filer..(cifs) server to another netapps filer. We dont have nfs lisc so we run the cifs server on both of them.. I was basically just mounting the two files onto one etch box vie smb. then running rsync to keep them uptodate. |
| 21:34.14 | Rat409 | hudu: try mount -t vfat |
| 21:34.23 | wam__ | abrotman: well, that's how I NOT want it :) |
| 21:34.37 | grendal_prime | it works on files smaller than 2 gigs. |
| 21:34.38 | \amethyst | wam__: well, you can't rely on python being around too early in boot (since it's in /usr) |
| 21:34.51 | grendal_prime | should i just mount the cifs servers directly? |
| 21:34.52 | hudu | stew: sorry, I'm an ignorant noob ... I'll try 'file -s /dev/sda1' and then if that dowsn't work, I'll try 'mount -t vfat' |
| 21:34.52 | \amethyst | wam__: and it's not a required package in debian |
| 21:34.54 | wam__ | \amethyst: right. After mounting it should be there. |
| 21:35.00 | wam__ | \amethyst: good point |
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| 21:35.18 | \amethyst | wam__: but as long as you run your stuff from rc2 instead of rcS, and depend on python, you should be fine |
| 21:35.23 | enouf | grendal_prime: well, it's either a) a fat32 FS limitation, or b) smbfs limitation, .. afaict |
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| 21:35.42 | XLV | fat32 cant see files>2GB thats for sure |
| 21:35.52 | wam__ | \amethyst: more like rc2, rc6, rc0 |
| 21:35.59 | enouf | XLV: NTFS can see up to 4GB on Fat32 |
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| 21:36.10 | wam__ | \amethyst: but i got your point. thanks |
| 21:36.17 | stew | enouf: ntfs sees files on fat32? |
| 21:36.18 | enouf | i should say NT5.0 and up |
| 21:36.29 | XLV | enouf, oh yeah, my bad... files > 4GB i meant |
| 21:36.32 | enouf | stew: ofcourse |
| 21:36.36 | XLV | dvd isos eg |
| 21:36.42 | stew | enouf: what does ntfs have to do with fat32? |
| 21:36.52 | enouf | XLV: legacy win98 and such is a 2GB limit |
| 21:37.38 | XLV | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems#Limits |
| 21:37.41 | abrotman | \amethyst: but it is a "standard" |
| 21:37.57 | XLV | max file size 4GB for fat32 |
| 21:38.29 | enouf | stew: i corrected myself meaning the ntoskernel or whatever ... ofcourse FS don't read FSs, ...but i guess i initially said it wrong |
| 21:38.39 | linkslice | i installed proftpd, and picked inetd mode, but now I want to use standalone, how do I get back into the confuration part where I picked that? |
| 21:39.11 | maligor | exFAT would be 'better', but I'm waiting for WouldYouDieAlreadyFAT from Microsoft |
| 21:39.21 | shib | E: Build-Depends dependency for glib2.0 cannot be satisfied because the package not+linux-gnu cannot be found |
| 21:39.25 | shib | wtf |
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| 21:39.54 | XLV | maligor, if its going to be incompatible with current *nix fat32 implementations, why not use ntfs and ntfs-3g? |
| 21:40.02 | maligor | it is |
| 21:40.22 | hudu | omg, thx stew and Rat409: 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /media/usb0' worked :-) |
| 21:40.22 | XLV | now if MS was willing to release all details of exfat it may have a reason of existance, or even acceptance |
| 21:40.39 | maligor | exFAT will probably eventually replace FAT32 on flash |
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| 21:41.06 | abrotman | linkslice: dpkg-reconfigure proftpd |
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| 21:41.26 | osmosis | doesnt debian have a cron job or an init script that automatically does and ANALYZE on mysql at startup or sometime ? |
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| 21:43.08 | enouf | stew: i meant to say version 5.0 as in win2000 and up (of which 4GB is the limit) - NT4.x and earlier versions aren't "compatible" with fat32 at all (as far as sharing), but with fat16 they are/were -- NT5.1 (XP) allowed for creation of fat32 partitions during installation, but at a 32GB (pseudo) partition size limit, since it fat32 partition limit is 2TB (theoretical), but it would shit itself horribly before even coming close |
| 21:43.33 | toad_ | any ideas why my perl is broken?: Can't call method "scheme" on an undefined value at /usr/share/perl5/HTTP/Cookies.pm line 44. |
| 21:43.35 | abrotman | 4GB isn't the limit IIRC |
| 21:43.37 | enouf | Legacy win95/98/ME versions, their fat32 filesize limit is 2GB |
| 21:43.52 | enouf | filesize abrotman |
| 21:43.55 | XLV | is it possible to partition a linux software raid5 array? i need to partition it, so i can make 20GB of it /, the rest space for lvm.. or should i wait for raid5 to finish building? |
| 21:44.13 | shib | abrotman: it's not... windows has a limit, the fs doesn't. i formatted a TB drive with fat32 the other day |
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| 21:44.37 | enouf | see some confusion also stems from fat16 partition size limit is also 2GB |
| 21:44.44 | shib | yep |
| 21:44.52 | \amethyst | shib: max filesystem size != max file size |
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| 21:45.02 | XLV | shib, windows XP installer has a limit, it wont allow you to create a fat32 partition >32GB, but if its made before the xp installer, by some other util, it can use it |
| 21:45.05 | shib | oh, did someone say filesize? |
| 21:45.13 | enouf | XLV: yes |
| 21:45.25 | rahsputin | How do i write 1.72MB to a 1.44MB floppy ? |
| 21:45.31 | shib | two floppies? |
| 21:45.32 | \amethyst | shib: < XLV> max file size 4GB for fat32 |
| 21:45.32 | abrotman | compression! |
| 21:45.41 | maligor | mm.. smartdsk? |
| 21:45.46 | rahsputin | UmM |
| 21:45.47 | maligor | *cough* |
| 21:46.06 | Rat409 | dd if=bla of=.dev/fd0 bs=2880 bla |
| 21:46.23 | Rat409 | /dev/fd0 |
| 21:46.27 | enouf | grendal_prime: after all of that, you better have resolved this :-P |
| 21:46.35 | rahsputin | 2880 ? |
| 21:46.36 | \amethyst | rahsputin: first use superformat (package fdutils) to format it to 1.72MB |
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| 21:47.05 | \amethyst | rahsputin: you need to do a low-level format, so dd is not sufficient |
| 21:47.20 | maligor | \amethyst, black floppydisk magic eh, I had forgotten about that stuff |
| 21:47.56 | grendal_prime | damn enouf im off lookign to see if i can rsync directly from the cifs server..came back and was like...woooow...im trying to read it all now hehehe |
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| 21:48.24 | enouf | grendal_prime: just replace smbfs with cifs in your mount option, no? |
| 21:48.36 | grendal_prime | hope so |
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| 21:48.49 | rahsputin | \amethyst, installing |
| 21:48.52 | XLV | enouf, that yes was about the raid5 array partitioning? cause atm debian installer doesnt let me.. 4r3 |
| 21:48.55 | \amethyst | rahsputin: 2880 requires a different medium, and a better floppy drive. I don't think it was ever supported all that widely. But if your hardware and media can do it, superformat can do that |
| 21:49.19 | abrotman | yay IBM goofy stuff! |
| 21:49.24 | Rat409 | wouldn't fdformat -n=2880 work? i forget? |
| 21:49.29 | XLV | enouf, i remember i have done it somehow in the previous server installation.. maybe it needs for raid5 array to finish buiding |
| 21:49.30 | enouf | XLV: oh, no i meant your 32GB thingy analysis statement and such |
| 21:49.36 | FearedBliss | network-manager-gnome doesnt start up, any idea why ? |
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| 21:49.43 | debian | hei |
| 21:50.02 | enouf | XLV: reading your question now ;-) |
| 21:50.05 | \amethyst | rahsputin: if you format something over-capacity (1720 KiB on a 1440 MiB disk), there is chance that other models of floppy drives will have problems reading them |
| 21:50.20 | \amethyst | rahsputin: or even other floppy drives of the same model... depends on alignment of the heads, etc |
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| 21:50.28 | \amethyst | s/heads/head/ |
| 21:50.33 | rahsputin | \amethyst, its 1722 :) |
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| 21:50.57 | enouf | XLV: you can set up raid arrays using partitions, is that what you mean? |
| 21:51.30 | rahsputin | \amethyst, drive is NEC USB but the machine its goin in to is a Toshiba Satellite 110CT ;) |
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| 21:52.00 | enouf | XLV: i know there's docs about it. see /usr/share/doc/mdadm and the assorted related man pages |
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| 21:52.59 | f00li5h | how do I adjust a time zone to account for whatever australia have done to DST this year? |
| 21:53.09 | XLV | enouf, no i mean i created a raid5 array, now i need to partition it, make 20GB of it /, the rest space for LVM |
| 21:53.43 | XLV | enouf, i dont remember if in previous installation i had created a separate raid5 array for /, or had partition it |
| 21:53.49 | abrotman | f00li5h: there should have been an update |
| 21:53.57 | f00li5h | an update to what? |
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| 21:54.05 | abrotman | your timezone junk |
| 21:54.11 | f00li5h | and where do i get it? |
| 21:54.12 | abrotman | votes for Swatch Internet Time! |
| 21:54.22 | abrotman | f00li5h: show us your sources.list .. use a pastebin |
| 21:54.24 | un0p | f00li5h, perhaps - dpkg-reconfigure -plow tzdata |
| 21:54.31 | FearedBliss | would "echo 0x61 > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button2_keycode" be permanent ? |
| 21:54.35 | opensrcguru | seconds abrotman's vote |
| 21:54.45 | enouf | XLV: pretty sure you setup the partitions prior to asssembling the array |
| 21:54.52 | amphi | FearedBliss: no |
| 21:55.04 | XLV | enouf, yeah, but i dont mean that, i want to partition the actual array |
| 21:55.10 | amphi | FearedBliss: you could add it to /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 21:55.11 | FearedBliss | amphi, how can i set keybindings to be permanent , i heard of xmodmap |
| 21:55.15 | opensrcguru | f00li5h: do mean to ask how to set your timezone? |
| 21:55.22 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 21:55.22 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 21:55.44 | XLV | enouf, its 4x250GB raid5.. ~ 730GB i want 20GB of that to go to /, the rest for lvm, cause iirc / on lvm is a no-no |
| 21:55.48 | enouf | XLV: oh so you don't want to give entire space over to LVM? |
| 21:55.51 | f00li5h | http://sial.org/pbot/30689 |
| 21:55.57 | XLV | enouf, yeah |
| 21:56.17 | FearedBliss | amphi, so how would i arrange that in /etc/sysctl.conf ? |
| 21:56.18 | f00li5h | opensrcguru: no, 'tis set, but there were changes to DST |
| 21:56.31 | f00li5h | abrotman: http://sial.org/pbot/30689 |
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| 21:56.45 | stew | f00li5h: what version of tzdata is installed? |
| 21:56.47 | un0p | f00li5h, should just be able to update via ntp |
| 21:57.08 | enouf | XLV: i'm not certain at all, but maybe just keep the VG you create with LVM less 20GB total size? |
| 21:57.15 | w3rd_ | hey guys. just updated snort, but the system still points to the older version how do i change? |
| 21:57.20 | f00li5h | stew: Version: 2007b-1 |
| 21:57.37 | FearedBliss | i think im going to use xmodmap and make x start with it |
| 21:57.40 | f00li5h | un0p: that won't fix it, because the timezone has the wrong offset in it |
| 21:57.56 | enouf | XLV: i mean, i would've thought you setup a 20GB / prior to even creating the array .. but |
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| 21:58.33 | un0p | f00li5h, follow the bots instructions -- and you should be ok |
| 21:58.34 | stew | f00li5h: yikes that is old. what version of debian are you running? |
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| 21:58.52 | f00li5h | stew: old, likely |
| 21:59.11 | f00li5h | un0p: which instructions? |
| 21:59.14 | stew | oh its etch |
| 21:59.19 | stew | f00li5h: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 21:59.27 | abrotman | might need a dist-upgrade |
| 21:59.29 | f00li5h | aptitude... i see |
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| 21:59.39 | XLV | enouf, well, exact config is like this, 4 hdds 250GB each... all hdds have 3 partitions, 256MB for boot, 2GB for swap, and rest for raid5. now i create a raid1 for boot with 2 spares, a raid1 for swap with 2 spares, and a raid5.. in the raid5, i want to slice it to 20GB for root, the rest for lvm |
| 21:59.41 | un0p | f00li5h, dpkg's instructions up there - !set the time |
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| 21:59.49 | stew | un0p: he needs to upgrade first |
| 22:00.05 | f00li5h | but i don't want to set the time, i want to adjust the timezone |
| 22:00.15 | enouf | XLV: dude, you lost me ;-) |
| 22:00.17 | Tramp | XLV: to my knowledge, you cannot partition an arbitrary block-device. Partitioning is an operation applied to a physical disk. |
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| 22:00.32 | stew | f00li5h: upgrade so you have the latest tzdata (and whatever security fixes you are missing), then run "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" |
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| 22:00.48 | XLV | Tramp, ok.. i will wait for raid5 to finish building, if it still doesnt let me, i will create a separate raid5 for root |
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| 22:01.05 | Tramp | XLV: and / on LVM is no problem (even encrypted). You just need the right early user space (initramfs). |
| 22:01.07 | tonyrad | hello |
| 22:01.37 | enouf | XLV: but that "all hdds have 3 partitions" statement sure seems like the kind of partition{ing} you desire was already done |
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| 22:02.39 | f00li5h | woo, patchies |
| 22:02.42 | tonyrad | I've got a problem with my screen resolution.. My only options are 320 X 240 or 640 x 480... I know at one point I used to have it set to 1024 x 768... I have no idea what is wrong though.. :( |
| 22:02.59 | stew | tonyrad: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 22:05.38 | enouf | XLV: i see now what you did, yeah /boot and /swap is basically 1/3 the space (though raid1) - yet each physical disk atleast has their own /boot and /swap |
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| 22:06.07 | shib | what is the package not+linux-gnu for? |
| 22:06.32 | enouf | XLV: oh, you said 4HDD, my bad, then nm .. |
| 22:06.54 | XLV | Tramp, i just want to be able to upgrade easily.. its a home file server, some robustness desired... you reckon i would be ok using lvm for root even? |
| 22:07.16 | XLV | Tramp, i suppose 4r3 installer is smart enough to use proper initrd to include initramfs |
| 22:07.17 | enouf | that's really quite a convoluted and silly setup, but that's just my crappy opinion ;-) |
| 22:07.36 | XLV | enouf, all recommendations are welcomed ;-) |
| 22:07.46 | enouf | shushes |
| 22:07.47 | tonyrad | Do I need to restart any services after? |
| 22:07.52 | XLV | now thats being setup, cause afterwards... |
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| 22:09.24 | laurly | how do i check the time on the server? |
| 22:09.31 | pgpkeys | date |
| 22:10.04 | Tramp | XLV: Well. if the installer can do it is beyond my knowledge. But imho LVM is both robust and flexible. I don't use RAID though. |
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| 22:10.26 | laurly | hmm servers confused Tue Apr 1 01:45:10 CEST 2008 |
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| 22:10.30 | fantomas | Hi. Sry for asking here, can't get an answer or #networking - is Linux aware of TOS by default or I need to change qdisc from pfifo_fast to prio to get it working? I need to prioretize traffic |
| 22:10.33 | laurly | that times way off |
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| 22:11.08 | Tramp | XLV: Why you put swap on raid1 though is unclear to me. However, since it's just a few GB, it does not really matter |
| 22:11.10 | enouf | XLV: you've read file:///usr/share/doc/mdadm/RAID5_versus_RAID10.txt.gz ? |
| 22:11.19 | fantomas | And is simple changing to prio qdisc is enough for get traffic managed? |
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| 22:12.09 | pgpkeys | you can use ntpdate time.nist.gov to fix it |
| 22:13.11 | stew | shib: i believe it is a virtual package that is provided on non-linux ports when linux-kernel-headers or linux-libc-dev can't be provided |
| 22:13.46 | \amethyst | XLV: raid1 does have slower writes, so it might not be the best for swap |
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| 22:14.10 | Tramp | XLV: actually I think it would be better to not put the swap on raid but use the two partitions both as swap |
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| 22:15.38 | tonyrad | Thanks Stew, I got it now |
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| 22:16.17 | XLV | Tramp, cause i heard that if a hdd dies, then if you remove the hdd and reboot, it may fail to boot, i know that kernel does a form or stripping on multiple swap partitions.. that may be also wrong... |
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| 22:17.02 | Tramp | XLV: ? between reboots swap is irrelevant (unless you suspend to disk and use the swap for this) |
| 22:17.23 | XLV | Tramp, yeah, now that i think of it, that may be relevant to hot swapping |
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| 22:17.37 | XLV | which i wont use anyhow |
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| 22:18.01 | Tramp | XLV: well, that's a different matter. In this case you'd probably have to "swapoff" first, hotswap and "swapon" later. |
| 22:18.06 | f00li5h | this update insists that i must reboot -_- |
| 22:18.40 | XLV | offcourse all hdds being sata, hotswapping is a possibility |
| 22:18.46 | Tramp | XLV: i.e. your hotswap-process would be more complicated - but that's just a guess on my side. |
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| 22:20.06 | XLV | Tramp, if you dont use raid1 on swap, but just different separate swap partitions, since kernel does a form of raid0 - stripping on separate swap partitions, if you do so, stuff that may have been on the removed hdd's swap partition will be lost... using raid1 with spares, it doesnt |
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| 22:22.21 | enouf | how about just have loads of RAM ;-) (and set {u}limits, overcommit_{accounting|ratio} etc) |
| 22:22.34 | XLV | enouf, 2GB |
| 22:22.53 | enouf | (and no swap) .. oh, not quite .. depending |
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| 22:22.57 | Tramp | XLV: hmm. That's a point. So if hotswapping is relevant for you (and you want to avoid the "swapoff/swapon") then swap on raid1 may make sense. I personally doubt it's worth it, but it's your call 8) |
| 22:23.02 | XLV | i didnt mention also that i dont use all 4 partitions of boot and swap... i set two of them active, and two spares |
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| 22:23.29 | XLV | so if one hdd dies, if its one of the spares, boot and swap wont feel a thing |
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| 22:23.40 | XLV | if its not, they'll use one of the sapres |
| 22:24.26 | XLV | its complicated, i know... but i want to avoid nvidia dm raid.. i heard horror stories about it, even on linux |
| 22:24.46 | f00li5h | damn, another recommendation for restarting my machine |
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| 22:26.53 | enouf | XLV: see here's my thing, (why not just forget about LVM, unless you have some sort of limits to users you will use that for) ... and use the 4HDDs in a raid10, but paritioned (2 to 3 maybe) prior with atleast a /boot on each disk .. then when you need to expand you add another pair of disks ? |
| 22:27.38 | enouf | just not certain about how easily that's done (adding disks to expand the array) |
| 22:27.40 | rahsputin | my USB floppy Device is mounted to /dev/sda ... is there a way to change that point to /dev/fd0 ? |
| 22:28.16 | ymorin | ln -s ? |
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| 22:29.01 | XLV | enouf, that way you lose too much hdd space... now i have 680GB of raid5 with lvm on top... and i can add another hdd to expand that raid5, and the lvm on top of it |
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| 22:29.21 | rahsputin | ? was that for me ymorin ? if so $ ln: missing file operand |
| 22:29.37 | XLV | enouf, if i did it your way, i lose 2 hdds capacity, and i would get less than 500GB.. 450GB probably |
| 22:29.39 | enouf | hrm, perhaps, but consider performance and/or recovery benefits |
| 22:30.06 | XLV | enouf, athlon64 3500/2GB running mostly that raid5 array |
| 22:30.20 | enouf | XLV: you're correct, but in todays teerms that diff is not much at all |
| 22:30.21 | f00li5h | stew++ un0p++ # my date is up to date ^_^ |
| 22:30.45 | XLV | enouf, on the previous setup, i had an athlon xp 1800/ 768MB ram, with three 160GB hdd, and it could saturate gbit.. and cpu was low |
| 22:31.05 | enouf | softraid 5 ? |
| 22:31.15 | XLV | enouf, and hdds were ide, but fortunately each on its ide channel alone, as master |
| 22:31.19 | XLV | enouf, yeah |
| 22:31.24 | enouf | yep |
| 22:31.42 | grendal_prime | thanks for the cifs hint..im running it now we shall see. |
| 22:31.46 | grendal_prime | we shall see |
| 22:31.58 | TehUni | how does softraid 5 tend to perform, just out of curiosity? going to setup a raid5 or raid10 array this week w/ mdadm |
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| 22:34.10 | XLV | TehUni, well, in my case, on the previous setup i mentioned, i was getting 130MB/s on hdparm write tests... and once i setup a raid5 on some other pc so it could receive as fast, it saturated the gbit connection.. 80-90MB/s |
| 22:34.24 | TehUni | XLV: how many hdds? |
| 22:34.34 | XLV | TehUni, 3x160GB ide 7200rpm |
| 22:34.36 | SiftinDotCom | I have a requirement of compiling linux apps on windows, without using cygwin. Is there any pre-packaged toolchain/header/libraries available that I can use to do bare minimum compilation |
| 22:34.51 | TehUni | XLV: speed increases with disks, right? i'll have 5 in the array |
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| 22:35.40 | XLV | TehUni, yeah. with five modern sata, if cpu can handle it, i expect it to ~200MB/s |
| 22:36.08 | enouf | XLV: http://scotgate.org/?p=107 afaict you don't need LVM to grow the array (5/6/10 whatever) just add, fsck and resize2fs.. hrm |
| 22:36.23 | XLV | TehUni, write to /dev/null a file and time it |
| 22:36.32 | TehUni | nice! :) quad xeon pretty much sitting idle as it is. probably 1 disk will be hotspare though |
| 22:36.51 | TehUni | XLV: was just concerned about software overhead. glad to see there's not much slowdown |
| 22:36.53 | XLV | TehUni, yeah, you're covered from cpu's factor ;-) |
| 22:36.56 | TehUni | thanks for the encouragement :) |
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| 22:37.15 | asn | I'm trying to get debconf to generate a functional xorg.conf in my Lenny, but all I get is a xorg.conf with most sections nearly-empty, without a base-layout and without the options I selected in the ncurses wizard. A friend of mine, that dist-upgraded to sid today, tried generating a xorg.conf, too, and he got the same problem too. In the end, we did it with ol'-good 'X --configure' but I would like to do with debconf. |
| 22:37.45 | stew | asn: why are those blank sections a problem? |
| 22:38.01 | asn | *without a ServerLayout |
| 22:38.35 | XLV | enouf, nice.. i read somewhere that new kernels could grow raid5.. but lvm has other advantages also.. snapshots, logical partitioning on the fly, resize/regrow just as easily |
| 22:38.44 | asn | stew: lemme give you a sample xorg.conf |
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| 22:39.34 | asn | stew: http://pastebin.ca/965338 |
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| 22:39.56 | enouf | XLV: sure, your call ;-) |
| 22:39.59 | stew | asn: what is the problem with this xorg.conf? |
| 22:40.14 | stew | asn: if you want to add a serverlayout section, feel free. it should be unnecessary for most people |
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| 22:40.29 | asn | stew: the error I'm getting is "no screens found" complaining about "Default Screen" |
| 22:40.57 | asn | stew: still, where are the keyboard options/horizontal frequency value/etc.? |
| 22:41.01 | stew | asn: put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log somwhere we can see it |
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| 22:41.35 | stew | asn: what do you mean by "wher are the..." they aren't anywhere, so you are using default / detected values |
| 22:42.02 | asn | stew: shouldn't they be in the config file since I manually selected them in the debconf wizard? |
| 22:42.04 | stew | asn: and the values that are being detected should appear in the log. if the detected values don't work you can override them in the Monitor secteion |
| 22:42.37 | stew | asn: if you manually selected them, they should be. if you left everything in debconf as the default value, they shouldn't be |
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| 22:43.56 | Techie-Micheal | Would the CD1 ISO be enough to setup a base system that would be without internet access? I have the netinst ISO, but since I don't have internet access for the given machine, I can't use it. |
| 22:44.24 | stew | Techie-Micheal: yes. and a netinst ISO is also enough to setup a base system that is without internet access |
| 22:44.36 | enouf | yeah, i thought so too |
| 22:44.58 | enouf | (netinstall enough for base without inet) |
| 22:45.17 | asn | stew: specifically, I tried chaning the horizontal/vertical frequency rates to other values than the default ones and the xorg.conf remains the same |
| 22:45.26 | Techie-Micheal | stew: Is it? I tried the other day and I had a half-working system. :P I guess I missed something. |
| 22:45.49 | Techie-Micheal | I can get packages to it, just have to do it manually. :P |
| 22:46.03 | XLV | Techie-Micheal, there is also the dvd |
| 22:46.19 | stew | asn: then file a bug: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 22:46.31 | Techie-Micheal | XLV: I don't have a DVD to burn to. :( |
| 22:48.44 | asn | stew: I see, thank you |
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| 22:50.09 | XLV | Techie-Micheal, if you have some other pc, you can mount it there, and feed the packages through network |
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| 22:54.23 | stew | Techie-Micheal: can you describe what you mean by "half-working"? |
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| 23:01.23 | UserReg_CL | hi... one question.. I am update kernel... at 2.6.24 .. need change repositories ? |
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| 23:05.21 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:05.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 23:07.18 | E-bola | What is this new thing im seeing: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/spamassassin ? etch-backports? |
| 23:07.25 | E-bola | is it a new apt target i can use? |
| 23:07.30 | stew | E-bola: /msg dpkg backports |
| 23:07.34 | abrotman | !tell E-bola about bpo |
| 23:07.39 | peppe | hi, does anyone know some free (as in speech) application, or howto to set up one, for digital signage? |
| 23:07.52 | stew | peppe: what do you mean by "signage"? |
| 23:08.02 | peppe | stew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signage |
| 23:08.14 | E-bola | Well i know what backports is |
| 23:08.27 | E-bola | but isnt it new that its listed on debian.org ? |
| 23:08.41 | stew | E-bola: it wasn't listed on debian.org until recently |
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| 23:08.51 | E-bola | thanks thats all i needed to know |
| 23:09.09 | stew | E-bola: it is NOT an official or supported place to get packages |
| 23:09.33 | E-bola | I just need it for spamassassin |
| 23:09.37 | peppe | stew: exactly that, public tv monitors that display info etc. |
| 23:09.45 | dondelelcaro | E-bola: spamassassin is in volatile, not backports.org |
| 23:09.47 | E-bola | if ever there was a package to be put quicker into stable it woudl be spamassassin hehe |
| 23:09.56 | E-bola | dondelelcaro: newest spamassassin isnt |
| 23:10.02 | E-bola | volatile has 3.2.3 |
| 23:11.14 | dondelelcaro | E-bola: it recently went into testing; it'll probably be uploaded shortly, but if you want it faster, by sgran or someone else a beer. |
| 23:11.33 | dondelelcaro | (or use backports.org) |
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| 23:12.17 | E-bola | i think its a good idea that backports was added btw |
| 23:12.22 | E-bola | gives a nicer overview of your options |
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| 23:12.26 | E-bola | kudos to whoever thought of that |
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| 23:14.02 | lunaphyte | i want to install dovecot, to experiment with it, but i already have courier installed. apt complains there is a conflict and insists it has to remove courier to install dovecot. how can i see what exactly it perceives as the conflict? (i know they can't run at the same time, but i'm not concerned with that, and if there's no other more fundamental conflict (libraries, etc.) then is it really a problem to have both pac |
| 23:14.02 | Malawar | is there a way to tell which package a certain file belongs to? |
| 23:14.27 | dondelelcaro | Malawar: dpkg -S path/to/file |
| 23:14.40 | amphi | Malawar: dpkg -S or apt-file search |
| 23:14.46 | Malawar | ah, thanks :P |
| 23:15.05 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: because they both want to use imap and/or pops; that's the primary problem. |
| 23:15.14 | nevyn | lunaphyte: they conflict in the same way that sendmail and postfix conflict |
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| 23:15.26 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: if you just want to look at the documentation and similar, it's all available online |
| 23:15.42 | dondelelcaro | (also, unless you've got an unusual setup, it should just be a drop in replacement) |
| 23:15.53 | lunaphyte | so simply from a "you can't run both these processes at the same time because they use the same ports" perspective? |
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| 23:16.09 | nevyn | lunaphyte: more from a both provide imap-server perspective |
| 23:16.13 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: right; the techincal reason is because they both Provide and Conflicts: imap-server and pop-server |
| 23:16.29 | dondelelcaro | s/pop/pop3/ |
| 23:16.41 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: i plan on getting it configured and trying it out, i just wanted to be able to take my time and still have courier there in the meantime. |
| 23:17.17 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: ah; I'd actually just install the dovecot-common package then and configure it |
| 23:17.46 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: when you're ready to go, you can install the actual servers and remove courier |
| 23:17.54 | lunaphyte | if i know that in the not too distant future i'll either be getting rid of courier or getting rid of dovecot, can i tell apt to stop bugging me and just install it? |
| 23:17.56 | lunaphyte | hmm. |
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| 23:18.31 | dondelelcaro | and if you want to switch back and forth, it's just a matter of removing one and installing the other |
| 23:18.56 | lunaphyte | yeah, i suppose, that just seems like it shouldn't be necessary... |
| 23:19.34 | lunaphyte | i understand the logic, from a "make it simple" perspective, but it just seems kind of silly that i couldn't have both on there if i wanted. |
| 23:19.35 | dondelelcaro | it's necessary because having them both installed would produce undefined results, since they both automatically start up on that port. |
| 23:19.57 | dondelelcaro | (and there's never any real reason to have them both installed) |
| 23:19.58 | FearedBliss | if anyone needs keycodes for xmodmap its at my blog |
| 23:20.07 | lunaphyte | by default, sure, but easily adjusted though. |
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| 23:20.14 | nkuttler | lunaphyte: try dpkg --force-help |
| 23:20.16 | lunaphyte | i think my reason is real. :p |
| 23:20.56 | libervisco | Hi, did anyone else had a "Use sub-pixel hinting" option shaded in KDE font configuration? |
| 23:20.57 | omar | is there a way to get xscreensaver to show a button to start a new session when the session is locked ? |
| 23:21.16 | abrotman | i thought it did that automagically |
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| 23:21.50 | dondelelcaro | ugh. using force is totally broken. |
| 23:22.07 | dondelelcaro | if you actually must have both installed, then you unpack them, fix the provides/conflicts, and install them. |
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| 23:23.00 | lunaphyte | what documentation can i refer to regarding provides/conflicts? |
| 23:23.02 | FearedBliss | UncleJohn, yes i am the real fearedbliss |
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| 23:23.30 | FearedBliss | wrong chat |
| 23:23.32 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: policy has them; otherwise it's pretty obvious |
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| 23:24.10 | amphi | FearedBliss: thank ghod - I had thought you were an imposter |
| 23:24.16 | FearedBliss | lol |
| 23:24.21 | enouf | dondelelcaro: how about just compiling one and throwing it into /usr/local ? (or even /opt ?) .. or is that just more foolish? |
| 23:25.08 | enouf | amphi: i got skeered there too for a minute :-p |
| 23:25.19 | amphi | enouf: a close shave, eh? ;) |
| 23:25.28 | lunaphyte | yeah, i know i can always just go build it myself... i use debian though.... ;) |
| 23:25.39 | kspath | debian++ |
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| 23:26.04 | enouf | i didn't say don't use debian source ;-) |
| 23:26.14 | lunaphyte | enouf: hmm, that's true. |
| 23:26.19 | alesan | hi, I habe a "daemon" script that must be running all the time. What is the recomended way to do so? put it into /etc/inittab ?? |
| 23:26.26 | dondelelcaro | enouf: total waste of time |
| 23:26.34 | lunaphyte | message like this are always nice to see when installing a package " adduser: Warning: The home directory `/usr/lib/dovecot' does not belong to the user you are currently creating." |
| 23:26.37 | enouf | dondelelcaro: ok then ;-) |
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| 23:27.24 | dondelelcaro | enouf: you can pretty much just dpkg-deb -x foo{.deb,}; dpkg-deb -e foo/DEBIAN; munge foo/DEBIAN/control; dpkg-deb -b foo; dpkg -i foo.deb; and be done with it. ;-) |
| 23:27.38 | FearedBliss | lol wow another irc chat mixed up what i said about me having keycodes for Xmodmap |
| 23:27.44 | FearedBliss | they thought I meant serial numbers |
| 23:27.44 | FearedBliss | lol |
| 23:27.48 | lunaphyte | scribbles. |
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| 23:28.24 | FearedBliss | anyways i said earlier |
| 23:28.28 | FearedBliss | my nm-applet doesnt work |
| 23:28.30 | FearedBliss | why ? |
| 23:28.38 | FearedBliss | it says service not found |
| 23:29.12 | lunaphyte | hmm, i thought i could download the package with apt-get -d install dovecot-imapd, but it still says it's going to remove courier. |
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| 23:29.35 | enouf | dondelelcaro: nice, heh ;-) |
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| 23:30.30 | Wingard | What's the command to launch the KDE control panel? |
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| 23:30.44 | TehUni | kcontrol |
| 23:30.47 | Wingard | Thanks. |
| 23:30.58 | lunaphyte | i guess i can use curl to fetch the package file via it's url - is there a way i can fetch it just by package name? |
| 23:31.38 | enouf | hrm, i seem to have backed myself into a simple but perplexing dichotomy .. |
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| 23:32.10 | lunaphyte | enouf: i say go ahead and just cut it off. |
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| 23:35.31 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: you want aptitude download foo; apt-get -d only does the download phase of the installation. |
| 23:35.39 | MaZe_Pallas | yo, great elders of the ancient stars, anyone know of a dpkg version of "rpm -Vav" ? |
| 23:35.56 | dondelelcaro | MaZe_Pallas: if you tell us what that does, we may. |
| 23:36.36 | MaZe_Pallas | compares files on disk against installed package manifests listing files which pass/fail checksum / ownership / group membership / permissions / timestamp / etc |
| 23:36.43 | dondelelcaro | !debsums |
| 23:36.43 | dpkg | somebody said debsums was a package that will check a package's files against their checksums. The "-a" argument will cause it to check config files. |
| 23:37.05 | MaZe_Pallas | thanks |
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| 23:41.09 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: thanks, i'm looking at the control file now - since i'm going behind apt's back at this point, are the values i use for Replaces: and Provides: arbitrary? |
| 23:41.36 | lunaphyte | e.g. dovecot-imap-server (or something)? |
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| 23:45.19 | Wingard | Anyone know how to save a file from Nano? |
| 23:45.47 | streuner | CTRL O |
| 23:45.59 | streuner | CTRL X would do the same and quit nano |
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| 23:46.26 | Wingard | Thanks. |
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| 23:50.44 | E-bola | Is there something wrong with cpan? the perl shell doesnt wanna install any modules on my new debian box |
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| 23:52.38 | abrotman | E-bola: you should probably use dh-make-perl anyways |
| 23:53.07 | nkuttler | E-bola: or tell us the error message... |
| 23:53.15 | abrotman | crazy talk! |
| 23:53.19 | E-bola | it worked now |
| 23:53.20 | nkuttler | meh |
| 23:53.26 | E-bola | just it took forever to get the new cpan.pm |
| 23:53.39 | E-bola | abrotman: ya i prolly should... |
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| 23:53.52 | E-bola | hehe ive had problems with debian perl modules mixed with manual cpan installs |
| 23:53.53 | E-bola | but.... |
| 23:55.07 | abrotman | E-bola: you should probably use dh-make-perl anyways |
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| 23:56.08 | ReKlipz | I'm trying to setup debian with a RAID0, and a usb stick |
| 23:56.09 | E-bola | abrotman: for a stupid guy like me, could you outline what the advantages of using dh-make-perl is? |
| 23:56.33 | ReKlipz | i'm partition the usb stick as ext3 with /boot, and / on the raid |
| 23:56.53 | ReKlipz | will this work properly? |
| 23:56.56 | abrotman | E-bola: it works with debian .. instead of off in its own little world |
| 23:57.55 | E-bola | what do you mean it works with debian? |
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| 23:58.39 | E-bola | using cpan to handle the modules means u will get notified of updates |
| 23:58.54 | E-bola | which you wont if you make your own packages (atleast not notified by any package manager) |
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