| 00:00.00 | themill | that was stew's suggestion. I gather the 2.6.8 kernel in sarge hung on boot |
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| 00:00.11 | rahsputin | yup |
| 00:00.18 | rahsputin | rebooting |
| 00:00.25 | Tr0gd0r | whats the easiest way to install java on debian? |
| 00:00.29 | themill | but you need to be running a 2.6 kernel before going to etch |
| 00:00.30 | jim | cool :) thanks for the explanation |
| 00:00.36 | themill | !tell Tr0gd0r about install java |
| 00:01.01 | themill | jim: np... I've just been watching it go past so far... |
| 00:01.09 | rahsputin | :P it froze again |
| 00:01.27 | jim | so lspci freezes |
| 00:01.42 | rahsputin | last 2 lines savedefault |
| 00:01.45 | rahsputin | boot |
| 00:01.52 | stew | rahsputin: try adding "noacpi apm=off napic" to the kernel command line to see if you can get farther |
| 00:02.09 | jim | I wonder if it's loading the initrd and running out of ram |
| 00:02.10 | stew | and any of those other magic switches anyone can come up with |
| 00:03.17 | stew | his would be cramfs, not an initramfs |
| 00:03.39 | themill | those were the days ;) |
| 00:03.53 | rahsputin | nope |
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| 00:04.12 | HockeyInJune | Hey guys. Could you all do me a favor and point me to your favorite VPS host? |
| 00:04.32 | stew | HockeyInJune: 127.0.0.1 |
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| 00:04.39 | stew | or ::1 if you are so inclined |
| 00:04.46 | HockeyInJune | -_- |
| 00:04.51 | HockeyInJune | I know |
| 00:04.59 | HockeyInJune | but I dont have enough bandwidth |
| 00:05.03 | jim | that would be my favorite too, kinda coincidental |
| 00:05.08 | jsubl2 | anyone got iwl3945 and wep going |
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| 00:05.28 | rahsputin | ? |
| 00:05.45 | stew | jsubl2: many people |
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| 00:06.06 | jsubl2 | i get close but dhcp dont get an ip |
| 00:06.16 | jsubl2 | it assocaites with the ap |
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| 00:07.58 | rahsputin | stew: nope doesnt work |
| 00:08.20 | jim | how does yep work? |
| 00:08.38 | rahsputin | yep ? |
| 00:08.48 | jim | opposite of nope |
| 00:09.00 | rahsputin | lol |
| 00:09.02 | rahsputin | :D |
| 00:09.03 | jim | which doesn't work |
| 00:09.09 | icesword | :P |
| 00:12.35 | rrbox | is there an app or command to create an fstab update, or i have to do it manually ? |
| 00:12.55 | dondelelcaro | rrbox: do it manually is the best way |
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| 00:13.33 | rrbox | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 00:15.18 | Hypnus9 | Hi room. I'm using Debian Lenny, and I need to get ndiswrapper to work. Can anybody help me? |
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| 00:17.27 | rahsputin | when i installed sarge there in the beginning a large red debian spiral in the background... how can that be displayed and now i cannot get my graphic card reconized |
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| 00:18.15 | Hypnus9 | Rahsputin:Try this command for your graphics card- dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 00:19.59 | rahsputin | Hypnus9 that the issue, when i do that, the error message at the of the reconfigure is : pcilib: cannot open /proc/bus/pci lspci: cannot find any working access methos |
| 00:20.30 | dondelelcaro | rahsputin: uh... is this a Debian kernel? is /proc mounted? |
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| 00:21.07 | rahsputin | proc on /proc trype proc (rw) |
| 00:21.14 | aboyz | can someone help me answer one question.. |
| 00:21.21 | rahsputin | Debian Sarge |
| 00:21.22 | stew | rahsputin: are you sure this machine even has a pci bus? |
| 00:21.24 | dondelelcaro | !tell aboyz -about ask |
| 00:21.50 | rahsputin | i had Damnsmalllinux installed on it before and everything worked fine |
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| 00:22.08 | DirkGently | aboyz: is that your one question? |
| 00:22.13 | Hypnus9 | Can anyone help me get ndiswrapper to work? |
| 00:22.25 | Hypnus9 | I'm not able to modprobe it in Lenny |
| 00:22.34 | aboyz | No. i got a question. |
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| 00:24.48 | DirkGently | aboyz: I guess the answer is "no" if you don't ask it |
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| 00:26.11 | aboyz | anyone know what my boss mean when he asked me this.? I would like you to lead an initiative to get us properly whitelisted. Will you look into doing that with the key ISPs etc,? anyone know what he is talking about? thanks.. |
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| 00:26.15 | rahsputin | dondelelcaro: yes /proc is mounted |
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| 00:26.46 | dondelelcaro | aboyz: that means setting up feedback loops and all sorts of other stupid stuff with people like aol et al. |
| 00:27.13 | dondelelcaro | aboyz: if you're looking at your mail server logs, anything that gets rejected or delayed will tell you about what you need to do. |
| 00:27.16 | aboyz | dondel. humm but we are not even blacklisted |
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| 00:27.39 | aboyz | dondel. we got third parties email services |
| 00:27.45 | aboyz | so we got no control over them |
| 00:28.05 | aboyz | dondel. what kidn of stuff do we need to setup like aol? |
| 00:28.12 | aboyz | you mean setting up spf? and domain keys? |
| 00:28.17 | aboyz | stuff like that? |
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| 00:31.41 | stew | aboyz: setting up spf and domainkeys and/or dkim are things you'll need in order to setup a feedback loop. once those things are setup, you'd contact the postmaster at whichever providers like aol that you might want a feedback loop with |
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| 00:32.29 | dondelelcaro | aboyz: uh... if you've got a third party doing your e-mail, they should be responsible for setting up all of this sort of stuff, since they've got the logs |
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| 00:35.20 | rahsputin | stew: what strange is that i have usb utils installed where i dont even have usb |
| 00:38.14 | real0ne | i want to make a configuration on the sound this |
| 00:38.30 | real0ne | i have befor speackers and now i want to use headset |
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| 00:41.01 | real0ne | stew |
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| 00:43.22 | Teejay__ | anybody tried Enlightenment 17 on Debian? |
| 00:43.54 | rahsputin | real0ne: what do you want to do ? |
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| 00:44.16 | aoeu | cah hdd's survive cold weather well? |
| 00:44.28 | real0ne | i want to use a vo-ip software but he don't know my headset |
| 00:44.29 | dondelelcaro | aoeu: depends on the drive |
| 00:44.30 | aoeu | like say i'm paranoid and i want to keep some offsite backups in the woods |
| 00:44.37 | real0ne | rahsputin |
| 00:45.10 | aoeu | dondelelcaro, it's a 320GB seagate drive |
| 00:45.20 | rahsputin | real0ne: i dont understand |
| 00:45.21 | aoeu | it'll probably never experience anything below 20 fahrenheit |
| 00:45.32 | aoeu | and will be packed in silica gel |
| 00:45.32 | dondelelcaro | aoeu: so look at the specifications; it'll tell you exactly what the operation limits and the storage limits for the drive are |
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| 00:46.16 | real0ne | !tell real0ne about pastebin |
| 00:47.02 | Bushmills | aoeu: a backup which hasn't been refreshed for a while is probably no good. |
| 00:47.24 | dondelelcaro | Bushmills: depends what you're backing up |
| 00:47.50 | dondelelcaro | (there's loads of things you can back up which don't change at all) |
| 00:48.00 | aoeu | i'm backing up photos |
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| 00:48.19 | aoeu | it's a 3rd backup |
| 00:48.21 | jaggy- | any recommendations on quickcams which work under linux? |
| 00:48.23 | aoeu | er, 2nd backup |
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| 00:48.38 | aoeu | keeps 3 or more copies of everything |
| 00:48.40 | jaggy- | I happened to have gotten one (several years ago) which is one of the more difficult cams to get working (actually I can't get it to work at all).. |
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| 00:51.28 | real0ne | rahsputin http://picpaste.com/Capture.png |
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| 00:54.40 | f360c4 | brs ? |
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| 00:55.26 | rahsputin | real0ne: ? i have no idea |
| 00:55.45 | real0ne | so i want to use another sound device |
| 00:55.53 | real0ne | how can i do it |
| 00:56.07 | rahsputin | alsaconf |
| 00:56.26 | rahsputin | # alsaconf |
| 00:56.34 | rahsputin | maybe |
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| 01:00.05 | real0ne | rahsputin thanks |
| 01:00.18 | rahsputin | your welcome |
| 01:00.41 | rahsputin | real0ne: does it work now ? |
| 01:00.52 | real0ne | yes |
| 01:00.57 | rahsputin | coool |
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| 01:14.45 | Waistless | i've got a problem with the bootup screen. basically when it gets to a point in the bootup the whole screen corrupts until it starts X. this carries over to TTY making it completely unusable |
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| 01:15.37 | Waistless | i'm convinced this is because it's trying to switch to a different resolution when it loads up a conf file, because it does this in 2.6.22 but not in 2.6.24, where it changes to 1680x1050 as it boots up |
| 01:16.16 | Waistless | basically I can't use TTY in the 2.6.22 kernel. can anyone help? |
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| 01:25.29 | azurite | Waistless: edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst file entries |
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| 01:26.35 | Waistless | yea I can't see anything in there which suggests it change the resolution of bootup, i think that's in another conf file |
| 01:26.57 | azurite | you append the options to the kernel boot line |
| 01:27.35 | Waistless | ok.... |
| 01:28.09 | Waistless | you mean just get rid of those arguments ro and quiet |
| 01:28.13 | azurite | no |
| 01:28.19 | Waistless | ok... |
| 01:28.24 | azurite | you add vga=NNN |
| 01:28.37 | azurite | there is a numbering scheme to specify different resolutions |
| 01:28.42 | Waistless | ok |
| 01:29.12 | Waistless | you got a link to it? |
| 01:29.19 | theaber | Ad |
| 01:29.19 | azurite | google |
| 01:29.25 | azurite | sorry i dont have a web browser on this box |
| 01:30.36 | Waistless | k i'll try that then |
| 01:30.42 | azurite | google vga grub |
| 01:30.45 | azurite | that should find it |
| 01:30.48 | azurite | get creative :) |
| 01:31.44 | azurite | be sure you understand what youre doing before you edit menu.lst though or you will hose your system |
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| 01:33.39 | Waistless | yea |
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| 01:33.54 | Waistless | using vga-769 for 640x480, that'll be a start |
| 01:34.00 | Waistless | vga=769^ |
| 01:35.11 | Waistless | yeaaaa it works! |
| 01:35.12 | Waistless | thanks |
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| 01:35.15 | amphi | vga=0x318 for 1024x768x24bpp |
| 01:35.36 | azurite | np |
| 01:35.42 | Waistless | tty needs to be nice and big so i'll keep it that way :P |
| 01:36.08 | azurite | ya im a fan of big tty's also :) |
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| 01:44.36 | jngu1 | Anyone know why ggv might want to display everything in landscape when it isn't supposed to? |
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| 01:51.04 | jngu1 | quiet... |
| 01:51.11 | liable | mmm |
| 01:51.54 | jngu1 | anyone have any ideas on ggv? I've tried running it as a different user to make sure it isn't a user setting... but it still looks wrong. |
| 01:53.50 | liable | never used it |
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| 02:01.27 | ej | how do i see a list of all incomin connection tries on a interface |
| 02:02.51 | ej | i tried arp -a but that not showing what i expected |
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| 02:09.11 | Tramp | ej: setup iptables, add appropriate logging netfilter rules for the interface in question |
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| 02:11.55 | Jota_R | hi everybody.. i've copied the /usr/share/vim/vim70/gvimrc_example.vim file to ~/.vimrc in order to have the vi program colored, however it still doesnt show such colors... what else should I do ? |
| 02:12.59 | \amethyst | Jota_R: you want vimrc_example.vim not gvimrc_example.vim |
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| 02:13.18 | \amethyst | Jota_R: or both of them (as .vimrc and .gvimrc respectively) |
| 02:13.28 | Jota_R | hum.. let me copy this one too |
| 02:13.31 | \amethyst | Jota_R: also, make sure you have the package 'vim' installed rather than 'vim-tiny' |
| 02:13.59 | Jota_R | sure, let me do that |
| 02:16.01 | Jota_R | copied both, till doesnt work... =/ weird |
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| 02:22.42 | Inazad | someone can help me in C ? |
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| 02:23.11 | liable | Inazad: try ##c |
| 02:23.54 | \amethyst | Inazad: if it's a Unix-specific question try ##posix instead of ##c |
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| 02:27.35 | stiv2k | why is mysqld_safe taking up like 90% CPU literally all the time? |
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| 02:30.47 | n3kl | I have installed powersaved on my laptop. I have configured it, I think, correctly. When I close the lid, the machine goes on standby and when I reopen the lid, sound does not work. |
| 02:31.18 | n3kl | I am unable to unload the snd modules after that even with the -f option. Anyone know why this is or how to correct this? |
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| 02:37.10 | ej | dtwmuy12 |
| 02:37.13 | Roy_Muzz | Hi, I was just wondering if someone could remind me of the key sequence to stop a debian boot and give me CLI access. I think one of my startup scripts is not working properly and so debian never loads. Using Deb etch with a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:38.23 | dondelelcaro | Roy_Muzz: just start with single-user mode and log in. |
| 02:38.37 | dondelelcaro | Roy_Muzz: if that doesn't work, use init=/bin/bash (or similar) and fix things manually. |
| 02:39.22 | Roy_Muzz | dondelelcaro, gnome is not installed. I might try your second option. Thanks |
| 02:39.43 | dondelelcaro | Roy_Muzz: uh... what does that have to do with gnome? |
| 02:40.09 | dondelelcaro | (the answer *should* be nothing) |
| 02:40.25 | Roy_Muzz | i thouhgt single user mode was something to do with gnome. obviously not |
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| 02:42.06 | Roy_Muzz | the second option worked, thanks for the help dondelelcaro. |
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| 02:43.28 | The_Birdman | Hi guys, I have a quad core should I install debian amd64 or debian ia64 cd image please? |
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| 02:46.36 | simonrvn | !amd64 |
| 02:46.36 | dpkg | it has been said that amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
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| 02:48.36 | Roy_Muzz | dondelelcaro, now that I have CLI access, I am trying to modify some files, as root but the system claims the file is read only. I have checked the permissions and they are rw so I am assuming that my drive (/dev/hda1) has been mounted as ro. Is there a way to change this back to rw? |
| 02:49.24 | Roy_Muzz | change the mounted drive back to rw. |
| 02:49.44 | dondelelcaro | Roy_Muzz: remount it read-write. |
| 02:49.52 | n3kl | The_Birdman: server or desktop |
| 02:50.00 | dondelelcaro | Roy_Muzz: the reason why I suggested the first method is because it handles that for you. |
| 02:50.21 | The_Birdman | Roy_Muzz: it's a desktop |
| 02:50.47 | The_Birdman | I was using the i386 version but I noticed quad core can run 64 bits programs |
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| 02:51.14 | Roy_Muzz | The_Birdman, yes but is a minimal install |
| 02:51.15 | The_Birdman | So I want to use the 64 bits port to gain more performance |
| 02:51.35 | n3kl | The_Birdman: imho, amd64 debian on a desktop is a waste of time |
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| 02:51.56 | The_Birdman | n3kl: flash issues , etc? |
| 02:52.05 | Roy_Muzz | The_Birdman, I would only use amd64 with deb if it was a server |
| 02:52.12 | n3kl | The_Birdman: to start with |
| 02:52.22 | The_Birdman | ok, I'll get my i386 cd |
| 02:52.31 | Roy_Muzz | dondelelcaro, sure I will give single user mode a try then |
| 02:52.31 | n3kl | amd64 debian on a server rocks the shit, but too many dekstop functions don' |
| 02:52.36 | n3kl | t work on amd64 |
| 02:53.01 | n3kl | I hope that this is something that is going to be fixed in the next ten years, but I am not holding my breatch |
| 02:53.27 | The_Birdman | thanks guys, rebooting to start the debian install |
| 02:53.31 | Roy_Muzz | n3kl, I think it will be fixed in the nex 2 years |
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| 02:53.35 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: like what desktop functions? |
| 02:53.39 | n3kl | Roy_Muzz: I freaking hope so |
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| 02:53.55 | dondelelcaro | almost every single piece of FOSS software works just fine on amd64 |
| 02:54.01 | Roy_Muzz | we need 64 bit when using more than 4 GB of ram. Users will demand that things work |
| 02:54.25 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: specifically, lots of browser issues that I can remember, suspend issues, and certain things I tried to run would not |
| 02:54.35 | Wingard | The Java Runtim Environment is installed, but doesn't seem to be working, at all. Is there an alternative, or did I just do something very wrong? |
| 02:55.15 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: true, but not with debian |
| 02:55.18 | n3kl | etch |
| 02:55.20 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: suspend issues are hardware dependent; generally they work fine. Unless you're talking about non-FOSS browser extensions, there shouldn't be issues with it. |
| 02:55.37 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: which pieces of software? |
| 02:56.10 | n3kl | its moot because I can't remember specifically, but it was enough to make me use i386 |
| 02:56.11 | dondelelcaro | I mean, there are some problems, but almost everything that gets a bug filed about it gets fixed. It's not like amd64 is the first 64 bit architecture we have |
| 02:56.48 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: understood, but there are still things that do not work |
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| 02:57.14 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: almost all of the apps that I was having trouble with were X related, so for servers its all I run |
| 02:57.48 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: like which applications? |
| 02:58.17 | n3kl | java plugin for iceweasel I spent several hours on and could not get to work |
| 02:58.35 | dondelelcaro | heh. so that's not a FOSS applicatoin |
| 02:58.51 | n3kl | but, honestly, I know I can't make an argument because I have since gotten everything working again on i386 laptop |
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| 02:59.34 | dondelelcaro | the biggest issue are with things that are i386-only or just haven't been tested; for those few things you can run them in a 32-bit chroot if you absolutely have to use them. |
| 02:59.35 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: no, but the point is that sun has released amd64 plugin for linux like a year ago or more, how has it not been integrated into amd64 debian? |
| 02:59.46 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: but the point is native |
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| 03:00.33 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: etch was released a little under a year ago, and the plugin wasn't ready when it was released. |
| 03:00.34 | n3kl | and I am not bashing amd64 in any way, btw |
| 03:00.48 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: I could be wrong there then |
| 03:01.26 | dondelelcaro | my point is really just about the advice not to use amd64 for desktops; there's pretty much no reason not to. |
| 03:02.16 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: there are issues with flash on amd64 |
| 03:02.18 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: ok, agreed. But imho, to run an i386 chroot on an amd64 install is defeats the point of running amd64 |
| 03:02.31 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: with the proprietary flash plugin, yeah. |
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| 03:02.42 | dondelelcaro | (not with gnash that are amd64 specific, TTBOMK) |
| 03:02.44 | n3kl | I had better luck with the flash plugins |
| 03:02.45 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: where by "Issues" I mean "nspluginwrapper causes X to eat ungodly amounts of memory" |
| 03:02.55 | simonrvn | !ttbomk |
| 03:02.55 | dpkg | [ttbomk] to the best of my knowledge |
| 03:03.01 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: true, with Adobe flash |
| 03:03.05 | n3kl | xsdg: but I did notice that also |
| 03:03.26 | simonrvn | xsdg: that's true of flash on x86 also |
| 03:03.28 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: not really; it would if the i386 instruction set wasn't so crappy, though. |
| 03:03.40 | simonrvn | (eats lotsa x mem) |
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| 03:03.57 | xsdg | simonrvn: not really |
| 03:04.00 | dondelelcaro | it seems like everthing browser related eats lots of X memory |
| 03:04.06 | bangers | how do I test a .tar.gz archive? without writing the files |
| 03:04.14 | Wingard | I'm going to assume no one knows what my problem is? |
| 03:04.17 | bangers | I want to see where it's going to extract the files to |
| 03:04.22 | xsdg | simonrvn: Depending on how much I use it, I can get the X server to take 6 _gigs_ in a week or two |
| 03:04.25 | simonrvn | on my box it does. i have 256 mb ram, i notice things like that |
| 03:04.27 | bangers | if archive was ./ or /foo/bar/something |
| 03:04.32 | dondelelcaro | Wingard: your question is too vague to be answerable. |
| 03:04.35 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: its just strange. I am not a dev and I have a heavy respect for the dev cycle, so I am not complaining, but some software even when I transfered the *exact* same configs from amd64 to i386, things broke, so they both have their issues. |
| 03:05.02 | xsdg | simonrvn: yes, but it's a different order of magnitude |
| 03:05.09 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: the instruction sets are pretty different, so that's not terribly surprising. |
| 03:05.17 | n3kl | Wingard: that or nobody is paying attention |
| 03:05.20 | xsdg | simonrvn: I've never seen a memory leak as bad as this one |
| 03:05.21 | n3kl | Wingard: whats up? |
| 03:05.57 | Wingard | I installed the latest version of the Java Runtime Environment from an RPM from the java website, but Iceweasel/Epiphany etc. still think I'm missing the plugin, and no .jar files will launch. |
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| 03:06.10 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: I would still expect the same config to transfer because the software should operate the same on both platforms |
| 03:06.22 | simonrvn | xsdg: it's probably contributing to nspluginwrapper's mem issues (nsplugin... sounds like it's got even worse issues ;) |
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| 03:06.51 | n3kl | Wrappers usually suck the life out of machines anyway |
| 03:06.59 | simonrvn | Wingard: and why did you do that? |
| 03:07.18 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: in general it should, but I'd have to know which program it was that didn't to tell you whether it was a bug or not. |
| 03:07.23 | n3kl | Wingard: there are some great articles on the subject that refer you to install from the self-extracting... try that |
| 03:07.33 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: specifically vpnc |
| 03:07.51 | Wingard | And now the fun problem is, the .bin won't extract, so I can't reinstall the jre, which would probably fix the problem. |
| 03:08.06 | Wingard | curses self extracting files. |
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| 03:08.17 | simonrvn | so i guess the sun-java- packages aren't good enough or something? |
| 03:08.17 | n3kl | Wingard: why will it not extract? |
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| 03:08.43 | Wingard | Debian asks me what I want to open the .bin with. |
| 03:08.48 | simonrvn | silly people |
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| 03:09.58 | n3kl | Wingard: dood, read some docs first |
| 03:10.18 | n3kl | then try, ctrl+alt+f1, login, chmod +x file.bin && ./file.bin |
| 03:10.32 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: yeah, that shouldn't change; probably a bug or something changed about your underlying configuration. When something like that happens, though, you should file a bug. |
| 03:10.43 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: yeah, ug |
| 03:10.57 | simonrvn | !info sun-java6-jre lenny |
| 03:11.00 | dpkg | sun-java6-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 6-00-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 6175 kB, Installed size: 14144 kB |
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| 03:13.12 | simonrvn | there's a 5 too |
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| 03:13.32 | n3kl | simonrvn: whats up? |
| 03:13.49 | Wingard | !info sun-java5-jre etch |
| 03:13.49 | simonrvn | me? nothing |
| 03:13.52 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-14-1etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 7289 kB, Installed size: 15984 kB |
| 03:13.55 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 03:13.55 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 03:14.22 | LemensTS | how do i connect to my debian desktop from another computer, i have vnc4server on the debian. When i start it, it always puts it in a different session. |
| 03:14.33 | Wingard | Now if only sun-java5-jre would install. |
| 03:14.38 | Wingard | goes to yell at Sun. |
| 03:14.42 | n3kl | LemensTS: I prefer x11vnc, or try ssh |
| 03:14.57 | LemensTS | does ssh do gui? |
| 03:15.04 | n3kl | LemensTS: no |
| 03:15.16 | LemensTS | ok ill try x11vnc thanks |
| 03:15.17 | simonrvn | Wingard: need non-free in sources.list for it |
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| 03:19.40 | Wingard | How do I add non-free? I forgot exactly what to put in sources.list |
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| 03:20.59 | simonrvn | !non-free |
| 03:20.59 | dpkg | hmm... non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 03:21.30 | simonrvn | updates a factoid |
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| 03:40.12 | susanne-- | Is it generally safe to add users to group www-data? i.e., to permit them to edit files that are owned by apache, that might later be modified by the web server? thinking of things like blog themes |
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| 03:41.21 | dondelelcaro | susanne--: you just have to trust them to be able to read anything that they have permissions to; since nothing does by default, it's configuration dependent. |
| 03:42.15 | susanne-- | the only person in question really is me, i'm trying to avoid su to root every time i need to jack with my blog from the shell |
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| 03:42.45 | Dewi | susanne--: sure |
| 03:43.09 | Dewi | susanne--: but I'd avoid letting www-data write to things like your blog themes, since they are executable PHP code... |
| 03:43.45 | susanne-- | is there a way to configure default group ownership within a new directory? even if i'm in group www-data, if i touch newfile, newfile will have reguser.reggroup as owner, and www-data won't be able to handle it. |
| 03:43.46 | Dewi | susanne--: sometimes I create a group called www-root to mirror www-data and add myself to that |
| 03:43.58 | Dewi | susanne--: yeah, chmod g+s on the directory |
| 03:44.44 | Dewi | susanne--: oh, and you might need to change your umask |
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| 03:45.11 | Dewi | susanne--: a lot of the time the default seems to be 0022, you need 0002 to avoid crushing the group write bit all the time |
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| 03:45.16 | cr3 | for some reason, apt-get is returning a preconfiguration error when installing my package but dpkg works just fine. in what way might apt-get behave differently? |
| 03:45.30 | susanne-- | the problem with not letting www-data write to eg themes is that i have other users who aren't smart enough to handle the command line, but use editing functions from wordpress or other stuff |
| 03:45.49 | dondelelcaro | cr3: apt-get always tries to run configure before installing a package so you can configure them all at once. |
| 03:46.00 | kryptoz | I tried to install etch r1 in my laptop and it could not find my wired (Broadcom 59xx) or wireless (ipw3945). I tried to get the drivers and couldnt find. So thought lenny will have it (as ubuntu 7.10 works well in the same machine, thought lenny would be similar and would work) |
| 03:46.02 | Dewi | susanne--: yeah. Fortunately wordpress bows out gracefully when I lock that stuff right down |
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| 03:46.16 | susanne-- | dewi: wordpress does, but users do not. :-) |
| 03:46.19 | kryptoz | it cannot do trick still. can I get some help here please :) |
| 03:46.19 | Dewi | susanne--: but it really depends on your own paranoia level. :) |
| 03:46.40 | Dewi | susanne--: yeah, well, users deserve protection from eachother |
| 03:47.05 | susanne-- | that sorta depends on which particular users you're talking about '-) |
| 03:47.08 | Dewi | susanne--: it's not really fair that one user can paste the source of "phpshell" into that window and get a www-data shell on your machine, and then use it to do whatever they like to another user... |
| 03:47.15 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: interesting, that certainly explains it! what if the config script depends on a script within the package? |
| 03:47.35 | Dewi | susanne--: so I try to avoid letting anybody but me execute php code |
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| 03:48.00 | bluecake | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:48.25 | Dewi | susanne--: there are obviously all kinds of other ways to try to make PHP safe, but the fact that you and I have users called "www-data" indicates we're not really using those... |
| 03:48.32 | Dewi | grins. |
| 03:48.43 | susanne-- | bluecake: this is why pop3 sucks, but the general answer is yes, once you figure out where the mail is stored. |
| 03:49.11 | Dewi | bluecake: thunderbird stores all its mail in your thunderbird profile dir |
| 03:49.17 | bluecake | susanne--: pop3 is not suck, i like pop3 over imap |
| 03:49.33 | susanne-- | bluecake: then i think you're silly. i prefer imap. :-) |
| 03:49.35 | Dewi | bluecake: and apart from the indexes and stuff, it should all be mbox format, the most basic format of them all |
| 03:49.51 | bluecake | my company deletes my email, if i leave on the server too long |
| 03:49.55 | Dewi | bluecake: I have even been known to copy thunderbird data files straight onto mail servers |
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| 03:50.30 | susanne-- | bluecake: actually, i'm one to talk. i finally got so sick of the fight against spam that i just shelled to Google for their commercial gmail product and let them screw with it. i get, on average, 20k spams/day |
| 03:50.47 | Dewi | susanne--: I'm always tempted by that |
| 03:50.58 | Dewi | susanne--: but not everyone likes gmail, and their anti-spam ain't what it used to be |
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| 03:51.06 | Dewi | susanne--: although I did notice they offer IMAP now! |
| 03:51.08 | bluecake | susanne--: i have another account with imap, that one i keep, i need to access everywhere. |
| 03:51.16 | Dewi | susanne--: so I guess not liking gmail doesn't matter much anymore |
| 03:51.30 | susanne-- | dewi: their commercial service offers a 30 day free trial, $50/yr, imap, and they also offer an imap migration tool from your existing service |
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| 03:51.49 | Dewi | susanne--: how do the various imap folders sit with their "no folders" design? |
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| 03:52.45 | bluecake | Dewi: cool. i need portability with emails. like PST-files for msoft |
| 03:52.55 | susanne-- | your tags behave like folders in your imap client, although since you can't nest tags, i don't know what happens when you try to nest folders. oh yes i do, it creates multiple tags, eg, folder.sub1, folder.sub2, folder.sub3 etc |
| 03:53.07 | susanne-- | pst-files are NOT portable, but that's another argument. |
| 03:53.20 | Dewi | susanne--: what about when my mail has 2 tags? |
| 03:53.25 | Dewi | susanne--: shows up twice? |
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| 03:53.45 | bluecake | gmail still beta? i am wait for it to go into official, then i get an gmail account |
| 03:53.48 | Dewi | yeah PST files are a nightmare |
| 03:54.06 | Dewi | bluecake: that NEVER happens |
| 03:54.22 | susanne-- | i imagine it would. |
| 03:54.25 | cr3 | dondelelcaro: I wonder if the package is temporarily extracted somewhere to run the config script |
| 03:54.25 | bluecake | Dewi: but PST are too bulky |
| 03:54.53 | Dewi | bluecake: yeah |
| 03:55.27 | susanne-- | i've gotten perhaps half a dozen false negatives, which under the circumstance bothers me a lot more than the two dozen or so false positives i've gotten. |
| 03:55.58 | simonrvn | Dewi: labels end up being imap folders |
| 03:56.00 | bluecake | Dewi: i work for a small company, get boat loads of spams. which is the best email client to filter/sort all the emails, into different folder? |
| 03:56.19 | susanne-- | their spam filters may not be what they used to, but they're still fan-fucking-tastic. |
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| 03:57.00 | bluecake | susanne--: it's all tagged as spam, but all show up in the inbox. so i need to redirect them to a spam-folder |
| 03:57.21 | susanne-- | tbird will do that, just set up a filter. |
| 03:57.24 | Dewi | bluecake: thunderbird can be configured to do that |
| 03:57.39 | Dewi | susanne--: I don't think you even need a filter, it's just a junk option now |
| 03:58.10 | Dewi | oh, wait, that's when you manually mark them |
| 03:58.15 | Dewi | ignore me |
| 03:58.15 | susanne-- | any gui client will do that. oh, well i never used either filters or the junk option, before i moved to gmail, i was using procmail and spamassassin into imap. |
| 03:58.22 | bluecake | Dewi: i will pop all those bitched down =) |
| 03:58.27 | bluecake | pop3 |
| 03:59.32 | erps | Any recommendations on how to go about temporarily banning IPs that keep sending spam that gets blackholed by exim4 and aren't sending anything that actually goes through? Was hoping I could do it with fail2ban, but exim logs the ip and blackhole on separate lines... |
| 03:59.35 | susanne-- | considering the amount of time and energy i spent on spam before i migrated, the $50/yr is well worth it for me, even with gmail's drawbacks |
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| 04:00.33 | erps | and no, I don't get hardly any spam that makes it through. Instead I'm experiencing enough spam coming at my server that eventually exim4 cries "too many connections". which is inconvenient. |
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| 04:00.54 | bluecake | susanne--: gmail still beta |
| 04:01.40 | susanne-- | bluecake: so? that doesn't seem to have impacted its reliability and support over the past two years i've had accounts with it. |
| 04:01.48 | susanne-- | you're afraid of a word. |
| 04:01.53 | bluecake | speaking of spams. fucking creadit cards spams me. one guy wrote on the web, sent them trash and shit, since envolope is self stamped =) |
| 04:02.28 | bluecake | that way, the will spent time and money processing your shit |
| 04:02.33 | erps | blucake: google's beta program is equivelant to most companies gold standard system.. |
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| 04:02.52 | bluecake | erps: ok |
| 04:03.28 | erps | for example - MS' releases are generally what google would call beta [if not alpha] |
| 04:03.29 | bluecake | i think, we should fight back to REAL SPAMS, the ones you get in your real mailbox |
| 04:03.53 | erps | bluecake, pretty easy to get rid of most of those. |
| 04:03.59 | bluecake | erps: yeah, xbox360 suck, vista suck, win98 suck , tell me about it |
| 04:04.06 | susanne-- | i think spamming ought to be an offence punishable by vigilantie violence, but that's another discussion. |
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| 04:04.24 | pinto3 | isn't that how they do it in russia? |
| 04:04.31 | erps | heh, ran a group that did that from about 2000 to 2004 . . got boring after a while. |
| 04:04.40 | susanne-- | given the amount of russian spam i get, apparently not. |
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| 04:04.57 | erps | it's amazing how fast someone will stop spamming when you threaten them with a baseball bat. |
| 04:05.31 | erps | Speaking of spam .. 99% of what goes around, well, it's useless.. I mean even if I wanted to spend my money on them, it's not possible because they have nocontact information anymore.. it's just junk designed to screw up the filters. |
| 04:05.31 | bluecake | know when i get a credit card subscription, it has a "tracking number" outside the evelop. and if you sent them trash, they might be able to tell, where it came from |
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| 04:05.32 | susanne-- | i've threatened people with baseball bats. it's only when i sent guido over to introduce it to the spammer that it stopped. |
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| 04:05.37 | amphi | I get some very good spam, with interesting blank verse appended, by poets with pleasing names, like Halibut Q. Atheist |
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| 04:06.20 | erps | susanne--, there is a difference between verbal threat and actual threat. |
| 04:06.24 | erps | amphi, hehe those are fun :) |
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| 04:06.51 | bluecake | identify theft, is important, and credit card comp, should stop sending me shit |
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| 04:07.24 | pinto3 | if i had a nickel for everybody with a dying multi-billionairre uncle from over there somewhere who needed my assistance.. i'd have at least 5 bucks |
| 04:07.31 | bluecake | . |
| 04:08.30 | erps | but doesn't take care of my problem.. :\ I'm wanting to watch my exim4 mainlog for too many connection warnings - and when those occur everything that is blackholed and doesn't have a legitimate message in the last 24 hours, gets a 30 minute ip ban. |
| 04:08.41 | erps | and I'm being too damned lazy to code something to do that myself.. keep hoping to find an existing script for doing it. |
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| 04:08.57 | erps | or something I can modify easily to do it like fail2ban . . but doesn't appear to be out there. |
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| 04:09.42 | bluecake | i should adopt a 3rd world child, and they study hard, and pay me big bucks |
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| 04:11.51 | deadcat | i am also trying to use ffmpeg to record from my pwc webcam.. no luck. |
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| 04:12.44 | erps | oh look someone did the work for me |
| 04:12.47 | erps | wanders off. |
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| 04:13.58 | grilled-cheese | nice |
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| 04:15.54 | rhineheart_m | hello.. anybody in here uses ISPConfig for Debian server? |
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| 04:22.16 | muhoo | i'm looking for a butt-dog-simple, small, http server for just doing file transfers to/from mac and windoze machines without having to deal with samba, netatalk, or apache |
| 04:22.27 | muhoo | which do you recommend? webfs, thttpd, etc, which one? |
| 04:22.45 | muhoo | lighthttpd, dhttpd, webfs, thttpd... there are a few |
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| 04:24.42 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 04:36.26 | liable | Azar: working the night shift? |
| 04:36.49 | anparks | hey ive got some serious problems going on here and i can't track it down or retrace my steps fully. when i load any terminal (xterm, aterm, gnome-terminal) it blinks on in a window and then closes immediately. any ideas? |
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| 04:40.15 | Azar | hey, liable :), no vacation |
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| 04:40.33 | liable | ah, lucky you |
| 04:40.35 | Azar | man, I just got a glimpse of a Bo pic.... it was just awesome |
| 04:40.52 | liable | Bo pic? |
| 04:40.52 | Azar | http://geekyschmidt.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/debian-1.png << |
| 04:41.17 | liable | ah, heh |
| 04:41.17 | Azar | wasn't it called Bo? |
| 04:41.29 | liable | actually looks pretty good. |
| 04:41.37 | anparks | no help, anyone? |
| 04:41.42 | Azar | yep, even nicer I say than Woody |
| 04:41.58 | liable | anparks: i suspect a bug *somewhere* in gnome |
| 04:42.01 | anparks | trying sudo aptitude reinstall xterm or gnome-terminal |
| 04:42.11 | anparks | they ask me to remove nearly everything |
| 04:42.21 | anparks | its fucked up. i feel like i should just do a fresh install |
| 04:42.27 | liable | seeing as its a huge fucking bunch of software, I wouldn't know where to begin |
| 04:42.32 | Azar | anparks: aptitude will perform a cleanup, then you re-install using aptitude again |
| 04:42.58 | liable | anparks: check you dpkg log and see what was upgraded recently and backtrack from there |
| 04:43.00 | anparks | agh this sucks i just fresh installed yesterday what is up with gnome and shitty bugs? |
| 04:43.08 | anparks | everything was upgraded today |
| 04:43.09 | Azar | aptitude will remove all, then will install any packages+relatives correctly |
| 04:43.21 | cr3 | in a debian package, is there a way for the config script to call upon a script distributed with the package? |
| 04:43.30 | Azar | anparks: did you installed using apt-get or wget? |
| 04:43.35 | anparks | apt-get |
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| 04:43.54 | Azar | anparks: that why, now it chockes let aptitude do the cleanup |
| 04:44.20 | anparks | so after i let it remove things like gnome, python, etc. what do i do? |
| 04:44.45 | Azar | liable , I would guess gnome will come with python, right? |
| 04:44.57 | liable | i wouldn't let it remove them. reinstalling is unlikely to help |
| 04:44.58 | anparks | wait but its not saying it will install anything |
| 04:45.06 | Azar | anparks: there are packages that require python, so aptitude will append it |
| 04:45.12 | liable | try and track what was upgraded and downgrade said packages |
| 04:45.13 | anparks | no its not removing pythong |
| 04:45.30 | Azar | anparks: no, you will have to use "aptitude install" command |
| 04:45.37 | anparks | ok |
| 04:45.57 | anparks | fuck its uninstalling everything. back-in goes the debian cd.... |
| 04:46.18 | Azar | usually when you use apt-get to install a single package , that package is missing its dependents and can cause issues like that |
| 04:46.19 | liable | anparks: i guess this is sid? |
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| 04:46.32 | Azar | sid? |
| 04:46.33 | anparks | no its etch |
| 04:46.37 | Azar | ah ok |
| 04:46.44 | Azar | and start using aptitude from now on |
| 04:46.50 | anparks | ok |
| 04:46.57 | anparks | heres where i went wrong i think |
| 04:47.03 | anparks | i added the unstable repositories |
| 04:47.03 | liable | anparks: hmm, this shouldn't happen on etch |
| 04:47.05 | anparks | and upgraded |
| 04:47.08 | liable | ... |
| 04:47.12 | Azar | mannnnnnnn |
| 04:47.14 | anparks | i fucked up |
| 04:47.17 | Azar | don't do that again |
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| 04:47.33 | anparks | thankfully i keep all my shit fully backed up. i learn something new everytime |
| 04:47.33 | Azar | anparks: if you need a higher version of a package use backports |
| 04:47.38 | Azar | !backports |
| 04:47.38 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 04:48.00 | anparks | ah fuck i knew there was something sketchy about adding those repos |
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| 04:48.12 | anparks | oh well learn something new everyday... |
| 04:48.22 | liable | anparks: its called unstable for a reason ;) |
| 04:48.28 | anparks | hah yeah |
| 04:48.47 | anparks | i switched to debian from using ubuntu the past two years because its more stable for me |
| 04:49.01 | anparks | ironically. i guess i need to read up on aptitude |
| 04:49.03 | Azar | liable: in fact I am looking for a job, got laid-off |
| 04:49.13 | liable | Azar: bummer |
| 04:49.20 | Azar | liable: downsizing |
| 04:49.37 | Azar | from 8 people in the office only 3 are left |
| 04:49.42 | Azar | my boss leaving too |
| 04:49.47 | liable | Azar: read somewhere theres gonna be more of that coming up in your country :( |
| 04:49.49 | brick_redux | my libpam0g is resisting configuration. when it tries to restart exim it FAILED! (1) but then rather than giving me details debconf: Unable to load Debconf::Element::Dialog::Error. Failed because: Can't locate Debconf/Element/Dialog/Error.pm. i already reinstalled debconf-utils to no avail. |
| 04:49.53 | brick_redux | any ideas? |
| 04:49.56 | omry | one of my machines is acting strangely for a few months now, every once in a while something happens and it's network becomes unreachable. it's connected via a router and have a static ip. another machine with similar configuration still works correctly when this happens. the problem is resolved by restarting the network interface. any idea what could cause this? |
| 04:50.06 | Azar | liable: it keeps happening since Dec '07 |
| 04:50.57 | Azar | omry: maybe machine hardware failure? 1st thing to come to mind |
| 04:51.36 | omry | Azar, maybe - but if that is the case, how come restarting the network interface solves this? |
| 04:51.46 | Azar | was thinking about a dying net card |
| 04:51.53 | liable | omry: see if the logs say anything |
| 04:52.30 | brick_redux | kick ass, i found out by manually trying to start exim that it was missing its conffile |
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| 04:53.32 | omry | liable, syslog shows : link down, link up. link down, link up. this is on both machines. (that are connected to the same router) |
| 04:54.02 | omry | liable, however, on the machine that works I only get: Apr 3 07:35:40 main ifplugd(eth0)[18582]: Link beat detected. after link up. |
| 04:54.06 | Azar | soooo it's blinking |
| 04:54.27 | liable | omry: does the other have ifplugd installed? |
| 04:54.45 | omry | liable, no. I didn't even know the first one does until now. |
| 04:54.48 | liable | if its static, even if the link goes down and up, the connection should work again |
| 04:54.48 | omry | what is that for? |
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| 04:54.59 | liable | hotplugging daemon |
| 04:55.04 | omry | both are static. (10.0.0.1, 10.0.0.2) |
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| 04:55.34 | liable | omry: is the router also a modem? |
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| 04:55.42 | liable | see why its going down |
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| 04:56.07 | omry | liable, well, it can be. but right now it's acting as a bridge to the modem. |
| 04:56.11 | liable | why the machine doesnt bring its link back up I dont know.. |
| 04:56.36 | omry | liable, you think that hotplug thing has something to do with the success of the other machine to recover? |
| 04:56.59 | liable | omry: it shouldn't my static box works fine when the link goes up and down |
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| 05:01.04 | omry | the problematic machine is connected via the motherboard eth socket, I`ll try to use the other socket it has. |
| 05:01.22 | liable | omry: what happens if you pull the cable on it and plug back in? |
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| 05:02.34 | omry | liable, syslog shows it, but the machine is still connected. |
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| 05:03.07 | liable | omry: is everything static for it? like nameserver ? |
| 05:03.30 | liable | i cant see why it would go offline |
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| 05:03.49 | vinboy | hi |
| 05:04.06 | vinboy | is I use the testing branch of debian.. can I grab a package from the experimental? |
| 05:04.24 | omry | liable, yes. but when it happens and I try to ping the dns I get "network is unreachable". so it's probably not related to the dns. |
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| 05:05.19 | liable | omry: how long does the link go down for? whats the output of route when it happens, and does ifconfig still show an ip on the iface? |
| 05:05.48 | liable | i realise you will have to wait for it to happen again to get the info |
| 05:06.12 | deadcat | i am trying to use ffmpeg to record my X11 (entire screen) but it only give me like a small corner.. cant find what option i need.. |
| 05:06.19 | deadcat | i am also trying to use ffmpeg to record from my pwc webcam.. no luck. |
| 05:06.28 | liable | maybe the routing table gets flushed if its down for so long? (havent heard of that berfore though) |
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| 05:07.03 | xuser | what cli audio cd rippers are there? |
| 05:07.55 | omry | liable, 2 to 10 seconds, in recent event. (it went down twice in a row). the interface still showed up in ifconfig, I am not certain about the other two questions. |
| 05:08.11 | omry | I think it probably did have an IP |
| 05:09.14 | cahoot | xuser: abcde is one |
| 05:09.20 | brick_redux | any clues for apcupsd: Cannot create /var/lock/serial/LCK..ttyS0 serial port lock file: ERR=No such file or directory ? is that crazy file really supposed to exist? |
| 05:09.33 | brick_redux | or what kernel option might indicate it? |
| 05:10.28 | brick_redux | i get hits on two russian forums for this error :/ |
| 05:10.38 | brick_redux | and one japanese. heh. |
| 05:11.27 | pgpkeys | ls /var/ show a lock dir? |
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| 05:11.52 | pgpkeys | if so is there a serial dir under it? |
| 05:12.07 | brick_redux | good call, the serial one is absent |
| 05:12.24 | pgpkeys | there ya go :) |
| 05:12.37 | brick_redux | thank you :) |
| 05:12.48 | pgpkeys | welcome |
| 05:13.02 | Snadder | Anyone can recommend a p2p program which use freenet to download music? |
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| 05:14.39 | Azar | damn, liable, I don't have a video, you watch tell me how it went : http://www.fsckin.com/2008/04/01/what-happens-when-you-call-microsoft-support-to-remove-linux/ |
| 05:15.48 | jaggy- | cups shows our WinXP prit job completed, but nothing ever printed |
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| 05:17.11 | vanksi | what would be the sanest way to move a webserver from box a to box b without too much downtime? just transferring everything and then releasing the ip from the old box and configuring it to the new one? |
| 05:18.01 | streuner_ | Azar: haha |
| 05:18.08 | xuser | cahoot: k, thx. |
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| 05:19.48 | omry | liable, I just noticed that after the linkup I have: pppd[1916]: Modem hangup , pppd[1916]: Connect time 4415.5 minutes. etc. |
| 05:20.00 | liable | omry: pppd? |
| 05:20.06 | omry | liable, you think pppd could be the cause? this machine used to be connected via a modem in the past. |
| 05:20.06 | susanne-- | vanski: yeah, but you'll need to lock out changes on the old one after a certain point. |
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| 05:20.22 | liable | omry: is that an pppoe connection? |
| 05:20.31 | omry | liable, not anymore. |
| 05:20.39 | streuner_ | Azar: "Iam trying to remove Linux" - Answer: he stuck for a second "Ok.."... |
| 05:20.58 | omry | this machine pretty much had it all. adsl modem, ppptp, pppoe.. |
| 05:21.13 | Azar | streuner_: hahaha |
| 05:21.14 | liable | Azar: not really very funny, then the bastard rickrolls you |
| 05:21.15 | Azar | thanks |
| 05:21.25 | DrRelic | anyone know why I can't send a command to a program running in a detached screen? | cmd = screen -d -m -S test top | cmd = screen -S test -X q | the first one works great in starting the screen, but the second one just won't send the command to the program |
| 05:21.25 | omry | but right now it's just have a static ip and the router takes care of the connection. |
| 05:21.50 | streuner_ | Azar: it was fools day, so he knew was going on... |
| 05:21.52 | omry | btw: looked at the router logs, it restarted without any reason when this happened. |
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| 05:21.53 | liable | omry: paste your interfaces file |
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| 05:22.13 | streuner_ | s/was/whats/ |
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| 05:22.32 | omry | liable, http://yadan.net/omry/interfaces |
| 05:22.51 | Azar | damn, I will have to install the new Win box again, I am getting training classes with CDs that work only on Win.. oh well, I still keep my Debian running at least to read the news |
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| 05:23.44 | liable | omry: whats starting pppd? if its not in interfaces then something else is starting it. |
| 05:24.09 | Azar | liable: maybe spam overkill? |
| 05:24.20 | behrad | how can i disable "line-in capture" in volume control? (i click on check box and now i cant disable it) |
| 05:24.49 | omry | liable, it's not running now, this much is sure. |
| 05:24.52 | liable | Azar: pretty silly |
| 05:25.09 | liable | omry: what there a ppp0 stanza previously? |
| 05:25.30 | omry | liable, possibly, a long time ago. |
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| 05:25.43 | omry | liable, I do have ppp package installed. |
| 05:25.55 | omry | and I do have /etc/init.d/pppd-dns |
| 05:26.13 | liable | omry: unless you or a script is starting it, it shouldnt run |
| 05:26.14 | Azar | omry: this kind of thing happens to my other win box, the connection "just dies" on it but the only reason is the firewall.. once I kill the firewall, the connection goes ok |
| 05:26.43 | omry | liable, is it safe to uninstall it? |
| 05:26.44 | liable | omry: oh, what package does that belong to? pppoeconfig? try to reconfigure that package |
| 05:26.58 | omry | liable, how do I check that? |
| 05:27.18 | anarmst | Hello, I seem to be experiencing an odd problem with aptitude. when ever I try to do anything it complains that it can't locate the file for a package. |
| 05:27.20 | omry | liable, admin/ppp |
| 05:27.23 | liable | omry: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/pppd-dns |
| 05:27.25 | omry | (used auto-apt) |
| 05:27.46 | omry | liable, which disagrees with dpkg: ppp: /etc/init.d/pppd-dns |
| 05:28.02 | omry | ah. they do agree. |
| 05:28.05 | liable | ya, i get ppp too from apt-file |
| 05:28.13 | omry | it belongs to ppp. |
| 05:28.16 | DrRelic | anyone know why I can't send a command to a program running in a detached screen? | cmd = screen -d -m -S test top | cmd = screen -S test -X q | the first one works great in starting the screen, but the second one just won't send the command to the program |
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| 05:29.37 | liable | omry: that script shouldn't do anything if pppd isn't running |
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| 05:30.00 | Azar | anarmst: aptitude what? |
| 05:30.08 | anarmst | anything |
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| 05:30.12 | omry | liable, I got those in if-up.d : avahi-daemon clamav-freshclam-ifupdown mountnfs ntpdate openssh-server postfix |
| 05:30.17 | anarmst | update works |
| 05:30.19 | anarmst | nothing else |
| 05:30.31 | Azar | anarmst: you can't issue many aptitude commands... |
| 05:30.40 | Azar | is like: update, upgrade, install, remove |
| 05:30.47 | anarmst | I tried all of those |
| 05:30.58 | anarmst | they only produce the error message |
| 05:31.07 | Azar | anarmst: did you do an "upgrade" -- after --- "upgrade"? |
| 05:31.25 | Azar | err |
| 05:31.31 | Azar | damn, upgrade after update |
| 05:31.32 | anarmst | I did it once |
| 05:31.41 | anarmst | yes |
| 05:31.50 | Xenguy | Trivia question: Does anyone know what is the origin of the 'mailcap' file? (i.e. what does the name stand for?) |
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| 05:32.01 | Azar | ok so what is the problem again? |
| 05:32.10 | anarmst | I tried aptitude clean, aptitude update, and aptitude upgrade |
| 05:32.19 | anarmst | This error message appears |
| 05:32.28 | anarmst | I wasn't able to locate file for the fam package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package |
| 05:32.48 | schmirgo | hi, why is sun-java6-jre in apt when it has unmet dependencies? when running aptitude install sun-java6-jre i get sun-java6-bin as dependency but it can't be resolved. |
| 05:33.24 | Azar | uh so your root problem is an unclean source.list I guess, and an "alien" package made it and aptitude don't like it |
| 05:33.25 | anarmst | I tried dpkg -r fam, and this produced the error message Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
| 05:33.25 | anarmst | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:33.42 | jaggy- | so what's up with CUPS? I print fine locally, but from my XP system it says it prints, and CUPS shows the job has completed, but nothing ever actually prints |
| 05:33.54 | Azar | anarmst: so: aptitude remove "offending package" |
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| 05:34.12 | Azar | then aptitude install "packagename" |
| 05:34.14 | jaggy- | use the aptitude command: aptitude remove all offensive packages |
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| 05:34.28 | acxty | HI guys, I know this is not the correct place for asking this, but does someone had work with kannel? |
| 05:35.02 | Azar | jaggy-: I did not get it printing from XP to linux? |
| 05:35.31 | Tramp | DrRelic: "-X" sends screen-commands to the screen program (like opening a new Treminal, changing ACLs etc). It has nothing to do with the command running inside screen (i.e. the top you started) |
| 05:35.39 | hark | schmirgo: check the bts |
| 05:35.39 | Azar | schmirgo: package from another version maybe? |
| 05:35.40 | anarmst | aptitude remove fam produces the same error message |
| 05:35.56 | Xenguy | [solved] "The mailcap file is a configuration file for "mail capabilities," |
| 05:35.56 | Azar | anarmst: try apt-get remove fam see if it works |
| 05:36.13 | Azar | then reinstall using aptitude install fam |
| 05:36.32 | anarmst | It produces the same error |
| 05:37.45 | Azar | are your sources pointing to your debian version archive? |
| 05:37.51 | schmirgo | hark: what do you mean with bts? |
| 05:37.54 | jaggy- | Azar -- right.. I can't print from XP to linux |
| 05:37.57 | anarmst | let me check |
| 05:38.25 | hark | schmirgo: /msg dpkg bts |
| 05:38.34 | Xenguy | !tell schmirgo about bts |
| 05:38.34 | Azar | jaggy-: then there are some stuff in XP that don't fit with a Linux way of printing, maybe fonts or stuff.. |
| 05:38.42 | schmirgo | Azar: java5 would install but it's not an option for me i need 6 |
| 05:38.49 | schmirgo | thanks |
| 05:39.04 | Azar | schue: try backports maybe |
| 05:39.11 | Azar | err schmirgo |
| 05:39.34 | hark | schmirgo: what debian version? |
| 05:39.46 | DrRelic | Tramp thank you |
| 05:39.47 | anarmst | azar: yes they are |
| 05:39.56 | Tramp | yw |
| 05:39.58 | schmirgo | hark: i'm using unstable |
| 05:40.52 | streuner_ | schmirgo: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 05:41.23 | susanne-- | yeah there's your problem right there, schmirgo. |
| 05:41.36 | jaggy- | azar, interesting |
| 05:42.26 | Azar | anarmst: try aptitude remove --purge fam see if it works, damn I don't think fam should be removed tho |
| 05:43.05 | anarmst | azar: same problem |
| 05:43.22 | hark | anarmst: what's the error? |
| 05:43.23 | schmirgo | ok, that's that if debian has such long cycles... java6 is out for over a year |
| 05:43.34 | lkthomas_ | hey guys |
| 05:43.44 | lkthomas_ | my apt-get hangs here: Building dependency tree... 50% |
| 05:43.48 | anarmst | hark: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should |
| 05:43.48 | anarmst | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.49 | Azar | hark: aptitude does not like his fam... some file missing |
| 05:43.51 | susanne-- | schmirgo: that's why god created backports. |
| 05:44.14 | schmirgo | susanne--: i will give it a try, thanks |
| 05:44.17 | hark | anarmst: "dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq fam" would remove the reinstallation requirement |
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| 05:45.04 | hark | anarmst: what did you do to get this error? :) |
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| 05:45.25 | anarmst | hark: I believe that it stems from an update that went bad |
| 05:46.06 | schmirgo | susanne--: i assume i have to revert from unstable to etch to use backports or can i keep unstable? |
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| 05:46.28 | anarmst | hark: the dpkg command appears to have fixed it |
| 05:46.40 | anarmst | hark: thanks |
| 05:46.46 | Azar | schmirgo: unstable is as high as you can get in order to get newer (but not latest) packages.. |
| 05:46.46 | hark | schmirgo: it's been broken in sid for more than a week now.. you could try the older packages from sdn "/msg dpkg sdn" |
| 05:46.50 | streuner_ | schmirgo: thats not the question |
| 05:47.17 | deadcat | i am trying to use ffmpeg to record my X11 (entire screen) but it only give me like a small corner.. cant find what option i need.. |
| 05:47.18 | jaggy- | well, my printer is not supported .. Canon MP730 (multipass 730).. so I have to use bjc-8200 |
| 05:47.22 | deadcat | i am also trying to use ffmpeg to record from my pwc webcam.. no luck. |
| 05:47.45 | jaggy- | under windows there is no bjc-8200, so I was using mp730 which xp supports fine (with installed drivers from canon) |
| 05:47.55 | anarmst | deadcat: do you know if the hardware is supported by linux |
| 05:48.15 | deadcat | anarmst: ya. it used to work fine. |
| 05:48.18 | Azar | schmirgo: it takes some time for "one hour old" packages to make it to sid.... the package needs to be checked, tested, polished it takes weeks, maybe months |
| 05:48.29 | deadcat | anarmst: i got it working for years now. |
| 05:48.43 | schmirgo | streuner_: well it is a question for me. i don't know if it makes sense to stick with unstable if i can find the package in backports |
| 05:48.52 | deadcat | anarmst: but i havent play with the camera in a while and i dont know whats been updated.. |
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| 05:49.08 | testerr1 | hi |
| 05:49.16 | testerr1 | is their Xfce in the debian repo ? |
| 05:49.24 | deadcat | testerr1: yes |
| 05:49.27 | anarmst | deadcat: I don't know enough to help you any further |
| 05:49.28 | Azar | schmirgo: you could "install" Lenny and use backports from Sid there |
| 05:49.46 | testerr1 | so when i get my base systme installed what would it take ot get xfce + x installed up n working ? |
| 05:49.50 | streuner_ | schmirgo: susanne answered you about this "long release cycles..." |
| 05:50.14 | schmirgo | streuner_ ok |
| 05:50.29 | streuner_ | backports are packages for etch (ususally) |
| 05:50.53 | Azar | oh so testing does not get any? simple sid backports? |
| 05:51.08 | streuner_ | that's an exeption :-) |
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| 05:51.17 | Azar | oh I see :) |
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| 05:52.27 | yang | How can I fix locales LANGUAGE=unset LC_ALL=unset ? |
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| 05:56.04 | niru | what could be the approximate cost of a MID laptop |
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| 05:56.37 | niru | what could be the approximate cost of a MID laptop |
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| 05:57.11 | Snadder | Anyone can help me install java.. and a plugin to firefox who can handle java games? |
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| 05:59.25 | yang | niru: mid range ? |
| 05:59.40 | niru | yang, mobile internet device laptops of ASUS |
| 06:00.01 | yang | Snadder: aptitude install sun-java6-jre |
| 06:00.16 | yang | niru: like eeepc ? |
| 06:00.22 | Snadder | yang, thanks.. is that all I need to do? |
| 06:00.25 | niru | yacc, whats that |
| 06:00.33 | niru | yang, http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=480 |
| 06:01.21 | yang | niru: you have the eeepc on the right side |
| 06:01.39 | niru | yang, yes |
| 06:01.44 | niru | yang, what could be the cost |
| 06:01.47 | niru | yang, range |
| 06:02.37 | yang | niru: it costs 300 EUR here for the 4GB SSD hard drive , join #eeepc |
| 06:06.59 | pgpkeys | hits the rate exchange to figure out 300 EUR in USD |
| 06:07.26 | liable | more than the equivalent in rupees ;) |
| 06:07.33 | pgpkeys | hehe |
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| 06:14.02 | Hal9000 | i have two partitions sda3 and sdb3 which are linux raid, how do i bind them together to md3 or similar? basically i am in a recovery system, i see both raid drives but cant mount them as the fs is linux_raid_member |
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| 06:14.39 | lkthomas_ | guys |
| 06:14.40 | yang | I am looking for the right module to enable wireless on 06:0b.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05) - someone suggested ipw3945 |
| 06:14.43 | yang | or is it ipw2200 ? |
| 06:14.51 | lkthomas_ | I removed /var/lib/dpkg/status, how could I rebuild it ? |
| 06:14.53 | liable | ipw2200 |
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| 06:15.18 | yang | liable: I have ipw2200 loaded at reboot, but why I do not see any interface related to it? |
| 06:15.45 | liable | lkthomas_: --update-avail |
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| 06:15.55 | liable | yang: check dmesg. firmware installed? |
| 06:16.11 | liable | lkthomas_: erm, no. |
| 06:16.11 | streuner_ | !status-recovery |
| 06:16.11 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|xargs aptitude --schedule-only reinstall; aptitude install;; |
| 06:16.14 | liable | wrong file |
| 06:16.43 | yang | liable: this firmware - firmware-ipw3945 - Binary firmware for Intel Wireless 3945 (old style) ? |
| 06:17.06 | liable | yang: you need the ipw2200 firmware |
| 06:17.14 | liable | !ipw2200 |
| 06:17.15 | dpkg | The module is built into the kernel from etch onwards but you need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. See http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200. For sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting> |
| 06:17.18 | yang | liable: cannot find it in debian |
| 06:17.22 | liable | ^^ |
| 06:17.25 | yang | ok |
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| 06:29.58 | Caelum | how come aptitude -r still says it won't install recommends |
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| 06:31.15 | Romina | hi |
| 06:31.27 | testerr1 | hey how do i instll xfce on debain |
| 06:31.28 | Romina | does anyone use Mercury Messenger?? (the MSN client) |
| 06:31.30 | testerr1 | i have a debian base nothing more |
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| 06:35.21 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 06:37.23 | testerr1 | is xfce in the debian repo ? |
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| 06:37.36 | jim | testerr1: /msg dpkg search |
| 06:38.07 | testerr1 | assumes so |
| 06:39.07 | jim | if you like... |
| 06:39.13 | jim | or, you can find out for sure |
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| 06:39.21 | testerr1 | i checked its there |
| 06:39.25 | jim | it's your choice |
| 06:39.31 | testerr1 | think imma use lenny though newer verison |
| 06:39.35 | testerr1 | is lenny stable yet ? |
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| 06:39.36 | jim | ahh :) so you chose to find out |
| 06:40.04 | jim | what part of /msg dpkg search did you find inapplicable here? |
| 06:41.27 | testerr1 | i checked xfce is there |
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| 06:42.07 | jim | and whether lenny is stable or not... wouldn't searching also bring you that info as well? |
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| 06:42.26 | testerr1 | lol |
| 06:42.41 | jim | I see an "aha" behind that lol |
| 06:43.15 | jim | perhaps knowing the website of the debian project would help you? |
| 06:43.30 | dimir | testerr1: lenny is not stable yet |
| 06:43.57 | testerr1 | they better make it stbale soon its already getting old |
| 06:44.10 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 06:44.10 | dpkg | it has been said that build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 06:44.16 | dimir | heh |
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| 06:44.59 | jim | !qotd409 |
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| 06:45.50 | jetscreamer | !qotd0 |
| 06:45.50 | dpkg | <orangey_> has *nobody* here tried to dock a KDE icon into gnome? <orangey_> man. This is totally a karma thing. I didn't help somebody the other day when I knew the answer just because I wanted to watch a simpsons episode instead. <orangey_> I thought buddha would understand. |
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| 06:46.52 | jim | doh! |
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| 06:53.39 | niru | yang, what is the make of ASUS R70a |
| 06:54.26 | yang | the make ? |
| 06:55.37 | jim | ASUS. |
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| 07:04.41 | prolix | hello. are there any disadvantages to using an ndiswrapper for wireless connectivity? |
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| 07:05.25 | jim | it's a bit of extra code to forward calls to the windows driver |
| 07:05.33 | jaggy- | how does printing work from one system to another? It would seem the print-server, physically connected to the printer, must just send raw data from the connecting system? |
| 07:05.57 | jim | the print server is also a spooler |
| 07:05.59 | prolix | jim: thank you |
| 07:06.14 | jaggy- | yes, but doesn't it spool the raw files? |
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| 07:06.34 | jim | I guess that depends |
| 07:06.57 | jim | could you give an example of a raw file? |
| 07:07.09 | jaggy- | the reason I'm asking is because I can get the printer to print locally (linux), but my xp system doesn't print. The CUPS server shows the job and says completed (now that I'm fiddled it says "cancelled", while the log shows nothing -- then when I click to restart the job it says completed, but it still hasn't printed) |
| 07:07.27 | jaggy- | meaning, whatever the XP drivers think it is, prepare it as, and send it over as |
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| 07:07.53 | jaggy- | because XP must have local drivers to lay out the page then send it.. and it doesn't make much sense that Linux would be interpretting this data |
| 07:07.55 | jim | doesn't sound like it |
| 07:08.01 | jim | is actually connecting |
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| 07:08.51 | jaggy- | XP is connecting.. linux gets the job, shows the username it was connected as (proper user for that XP system -- and that's not a user on the local system) |
| 07:09.01 | jaggy- | it's just that the job.. goes nowhere |
| 07:09.33 | jim | so it doesn't actually get to a working printer |
| 07:10.03 | jim | maybe the print server program is misconfigurued |
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| 07:10.42 | jaggy- | it gets into the same jobs-spool where I see my test page .. it's between them.. |
| 07:10.53 | jaggy- | checking server settings |
| 07:11.04 | jim | so does it print a test page? |
| 07:11.36 | gonzaloaf | hi, why does my system lose the correct time when I reboot? |
| 07:11.55 | prolix | gonzaloaf: it hates you |
| 07:12.00 | jim | couldn't buy a watch? |
| 07:12.01 | gonzaloaf | :( |
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| 07:12.10 | gonzaloaf | I trust my debian |
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| 07:12.24 | g0rd0n | how do i rebuild an array with mdadm? |
| 07:12.25 | prolix | gonzaloaf: mine did that, too. there's a message on the bot about that, but i don't know the command. |
| 07:12.30 | jim | my debian has a first name... it's debi... |
| 07:12.35 | gonzaloaf | it it happening since I upgrade the kernel |
| 07:12.46 | gonzaloaf | is* |
| 07:13.09 | gonzaloaf | prolix, so its a bug? |
| 07:13.33 | prolix | gonzaloaf: i don't know that much to even attempt to answer that question |
| 07:13.35 | jaggy- | I can print test page locally |
| 07:13.40 | jim | why did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 07:13.47 | jaggy- | test page printed from XP system shows in local jobs as completed, but it doesn't print |
| 07:13.59 | jaggy- | dpkg time |
| 07:13.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, time is found on http://www.time.gov/, or 2008.04.03 7:13:59, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here!, or it's beer o'clock!! |
| 07:14.07 | jaggy- | dpkg hwclock |
| 07:14.08 | dpkg | from memory, hwclock is a tool used to set your hardware clock. it's packaged. |
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| 07:14.43 | prolix | jaggy-: thank you |
| 07:14.56 | jim | jaggy-: sounds like all the pieces work |
| 07:15.50 | Rat409 | night guys have fun :) |
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| 07:16.22 | bluecake | where is the config file for tac_plus, pstree says it's running |
| 07:16.26 | gonzaloaf | jim, because I like to test the new kernels |
| 07:16.42 | jim | ok, so here is a result :) |
| 07:16.47 | gonzaloaf | :( |
| 07:16.55 | jim | what's the problem? |
| 07:17.57 | gonzaloaf | I'd like to solve the problem |
| 07:17.57 | jim | step one: find out what it is |
| 07:17.59 | pgpkeys | jim: hehehe. yer mean |
| 07:18.02 | gonzaloaf | I'm doing it |
| 07:18.19 | jim | ok, well that's good |
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| 07:18.52 | gonzaloaf | nothing in the logs |
| 07:19.02 | gonzaloaf | prolix, remember the message that appear at boot? |
| 07:19.12 | jim | pgpkeys: not really... he wants less to test the kernels than to have them just work |
| 07:19.29 | prolix | gonzaloaf: i got a normal message about setting the system time |
| 07:19.51 | gonzaloaf | prolix, I got a message that tells me that it failed |
| 07:20.01 | pgpkeys | jim: i know. it was just the way you read so deadpan. found it funny. say yer mean again in a joking kind of kiddie voice :) |
| 07:20.01 | gonzaloaf | prolix, so your time changes every boot? |
| 07:20.10 | prolix | gonzaloaf: oh. then that's outside of my limited scope. |
| 07:20.17 | prolix | gonzaloaf: no, i run ntpd |
| 07:20.29 | jim | what did that message come from |
| 07:20.32 | prolix | gonzaloaf: so i guess, technically, yes, it does change at every boot. |
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| 07:21.06 | jim | it changes not just at every boot... but at every moment after that... |
| 07:21.10 | jaggy- | is the problem that I'm using linux on my desktop when I should be using windows? |
| 07:21.19 | jaggy- | please be able to say no :( |
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| 07:22.22 | prolix | jim: thanks for the sliver of knowledge |
| 07:22.45 | jim | jaggy-: well hopefully not. the thing is. when you use linux you might not get everything to work... |
| 07:23.00 | jim | same true for any other os really |
| 07:23.29 | jim | prolix: if it inspired you to think further, you're very welcome |
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| 07:24.20 | prolix | jim: :) |
| 07:24.48 | jim | if it didn't you're still very welcome; you had that choice to make |
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| 07:25.19 | prolix | jim: it definitely did, however, my knowledge base about all things computer is slight at best. |
| 07:25.39 | xoqa | in debian, how do you view the source of a program? |
| 07:26.03 | jim | prolix: is that changing? |
| 07:26.15 | jim | xoqa: first you get the source |
| 07:26.47 | jim | then you could use a pager like more, or less |
| 07:26.48 | prolix | jim: at a very rapid pace, yes it is. it's refreshing to actually have some semblance of understanding about what's going on behind the millions of flashing pixels. |
| 07:27.04 | prolix | jim: i'll always use debian now |
| 07:27.24 | xoqa | jim: is it possible to get the source of the binary that you download? |
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| 07:27.31 | jim | well you don't have to... but it's always nice to know you have that choice |
| 07:27.42 | jim | xoqa: depends on the binary |
| 07:27.59 | xoqa | mind explaining? |
| 07:28.08 | jim | if it's microsoft word, possibly not |
| 07:28.10 | zeitsofas | hello people - after installing sid and configuration xorg.conf for compiz i will become this error if i try to start compiz http://pastebin.com/m7036e948 some ideas what can be wrong ? |
| 07:28.13 | prolix | it's not a matter of force. i like the fact that debian will install on pretty much all computer architectures available |
| 07:28.18 | xoqa | jim, gotcha |
| 07:28.23 | jim | if it's any gnu tool, absolutely yes |
| 07:28.30 | xoqa | where would you get the source file? |
| 07:28.47 | jim | debian has a mechanism for tha |
| 07:28.48 | jim | t |
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| 07:29.18 | xoqa | ooh ooh, please tell me! :) |
| 07:29.24 | jim | but outside of debian, you find it from its home site, download maybe something like a compressed tarball of the source, |
| 07:29.32 | jim | unpack |
| 07:29.38 | jim | cd in there |
| 07:29.41 | jim | browse around |
| 07:29.54 | xoqa | what's the debian mechanism? |
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| 07:30.28 | jim | oh, show me one line of your sources.list starting with deb |
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| 07:31.11 | g0rd0n | root@bravo937:~# mount /dev/md1 /mnt/ |
| 07:31.11 | g0rd0n | mount: /dev/md1 is not a valid block device |
| 07:31.13 | g0rd0n | wtf is this |
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| 07:34.16 | jim | xoqa: do you know about sources.list? |
| 07:34.21 | xoqa | jim: yeha |
| 07:34.28 | xoqa | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:34.33 | xoqa | problem is, i'm on gentoo atm |
| 07:35.31 | xoqa | i've considered using debian because this install has went a lot rougher than usual |
| 07:35.39 | xoqa | error after error |
| 07:35.41 | xoqa | after error |
| 07:35.56 | jim | you might want to find out why first |
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| 07:36.23 | xoqa | i've installed gentoo about 10+ times in the past, but this one has tons of bugs |
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| 07:37.03 | jim | are you sure you want a package-based installation? |
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| 07:37.28 | xoqa | jim: like portage?.. no, not really |
| 07:37.31 | xoqa | i'm not sure |
| 07:37.51 | jim | well debian has that apt-get thing |
| 07:38.00 | xoqa | an instance of what i'm talking about: "emerge --update --deep world" gives me the error: /usr/include/curses.h:1315: error: expected ‘;’, ‘,’ or ‘)’ before ‘*’ token |
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| 07:38.31 | jim | sounds like the source got corrupted |
| 07:39.17 | xoqa | and earlier today, i had to copy "roman.py" and "roman.pyc" to /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages directory |
| 07:40.09 | jim | hmm... you should find out what's going on with your storage |
| 07:40.32 | xoqa | and now grub complains about new kernel configuration saying that the selected cylinder exceeds the maximum supported range of the bios. the /boot directory is the first partition and it only takes up 8 cylinders |
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| 07:41.17 | jim | that would probably mean it's beyond the 1024th cyl |
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| 07:41.33 | xoqa | you're probably right |
| 07:41.52 | jim | meaning the physical position of the file on the disk can't be seen by the bios |
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| 07:42.16 | xoqa | that's what an faq on the gentoo site said |
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| 07:46.28 | vampirefrog | hi. I'm trying to setup my hp all-in-one (F2180) |
| 07:46.49 | vampirefrog | i run hp-setup and it detects the printer |
| 07:47.05 | vampirefrog | but then It says error: PPD not file found.An appropriate PPD file could not be found. Please check your HPLIP install, use <i>Select Other...</i>, or download one from linuxprinting.org. |
| 07:47.16 | vampirefrog | are these ppd files in a different package? |
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| 07:49.25 | vampirefrog | ah nevermind, found it :P |
| 07:50.13 | jim | it probably just took you talking about it |
| 07:50.24 | jim | what did you find? |
| 07:50.36 | vampirefrog | there was some /usr/share stuff |
| 07:50.45 | vampirefrog | there was a ppd file for my model too |
| 07:50.46 | vampirefrog | :) |
| 07:50.53 | vampirefrog | but now it says it's having trouble with CUPS |
| 07:51.00 | jim | so you had to copy it into place? |
| 07:51.11 | vampirefrog | no, the hp-setup thing had a browse button |
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| 07:52.34 | jim | oic |
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| 07:52.40 | vampirefrog | error: Printer queue setup failed.Please restart CUPS and try again. |
| 07:52.54 | vampirefrog | i tried /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 07:52.56 | vampirefrog | is that it? |
| 07:53.15 | jim | yeah, you coud also do |
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| 07:53.28 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.30 | testerr1 | i have a debian base system so if it apt-get install xfce will it grab everything else as well ? |
| 07:53.31 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:53.52 | vampirefrog | jim: meh, the same. it starts fine, no complaints |
| 07:54.01 | jim | testerr1: should, yes... but remember x is client/server |
| 07:54.11 | jim | and xfce might be a set of clients |
| 07:54.27 | testerr1 | i dont understand |
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| 07:54.34 | testerr1 | everyone is telling me debain is not ideal for a desktop |
| 07:54.38 | testerr1 | but i want ot use it |
| 07:54.45 | jim | you can if you want to |
| 07:54.52 | vampirefrog | testerr1: so try it out :) |
| 07:54.55 | jim | and you don't have to if not |
| 07:55.05 | vampirefrog | you don't have to eat debian veggies |
| 07:55.26 | testerr1 | what is an arguemnt that its not ideal for a desktop ? |
| 07:55.27 | jim | except broccoli and zuchini |
| 07:55.38 | testerr1 | jsut seems like a standard distro without any stuff added in |
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| 07:55.54 | jim | well people think they want to try the latest thign' |
| 07:56.14 | jim | but it's not generally available right away in debian, as a package |
| 07:56.31 | testerr1 | i only run a few programs |
| 07:56.35 | jim | because debian is tested a LOT and it takes lots of time |
| 07:56.40 | liable | testerr1: debian stable is considered out of date by most desktop users |
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| 07:56.44 | sooooooooooooooo | so does anyone know of any load balancer software that automatically syncs the file system ? |
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| 07:57.04 | hark | testerr1: the metapackage is called xfce4 |
| 07:57.13 | testerr1 | i understand now but all i am using htis for is a little programming text editor and browser and yea im good |
| 07:57.20 | jelly-home | testerr1: probably what is in"/msg dpkg install x", followed by an installation of xfce4 xfce4-goodies |
| 07:57.29 | hark | testerr1: so aptitude install xfce4 xorg |
| 07:57.45 | testerr1 | how about a gdm or xdm ? |
| 07:57.50 | jim | it's there |
| 07:58.01 | agnitio | Hi, there, I was just trying out the iwl3945 driver in Lenny (kernel 2.6.24) and the module loads allright but I get no interface and a bunch of error messages in "dmesg", I think they are kill switch related but I can't seem to turn it off. I tried searching but I haven't found a solution |
| 07:58.07 | jim | those are clients too |
| 07:58.16 | jelly-home | gdm is also somewhat nicer than xdm, but doesn't really matter |
| 07:58.19 | agnitio | the error messages are the same as in here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24/+bug/205506 |
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| 07:58.23 | testerr1 | i mean do i need them ? |
| 07:58.25 | agnitio | although that guy is using ubuntu |
| 07:58.45 | jelly-home | testerr1: yes, pick one |
| 07:58.49 | jim | no, they make it so you can log in graphically |
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| 07:59.17 | testerr1 | will it automatically owrk ? |
| 07:59.21 | jim | I like having a *dm |
| 07:59.22 | testerr1 | no wierd ocnfigurations etC? |
| 07:59.28 | liable | agnitio: doesnt look related to rfkill |
| 07:59.33 | agnitio | When I try to turn off the kill switch (acpi button) I get a new message in dmesg saying that the kill switch is on |
| 07:59.33 | jim | no guarantees there :P |
| 07:59.37 | testerr1 | lol |
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| 07:59.40 | jim | who knows what you find weird |
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| 07:59.48 | testerr1 | i mean when i reformat i wont have a computer ot say the least |
| 07:59.49 | jelly-home | testerr1: no idea. try it. |
| 07:59.53 | testerr1 | wanna get this right the first time |
| 08:00.01 | agnitio | liable: I think it's a combination, because I get errors about the kill switch also |
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| 08:00.16 | jim | you're going to reformat your hd?? |
| 08:00.21 | sx|lappy | morning. I'm looking for a repo from which I could fetch firefox^Wiceweasel 3 beta whatever to install |
| 08:00.26 | hark | testerr1: don't you have a base install already? |
| 08:00.33 | agnitio | liable: also, I get this: "iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC" |
| 08:00.33 | jim | don't you want to keep some stuff? |
| 08:00.36 | testerr1 | yes |
| 08:00.44 | liable | agnitio: i need to head for a bit, put your dmesg on a paster for someone to look at. if your still here when i get back, i'll take a look |
| 08:00.45 | testerr1 | but this computer i am on i am going ot install on as well |
| 08:00.59 | agnitio | liable: thanks! |
| 08:01.01 | jim | what's they running now |
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| 08:01.26 | testerr1 | hopefully everything wil go smooth |
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| 08:01.46 | jim | -not- necessarily. |
| 08:02.28 | hark | sx|lappy: what debian version? |
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| 08:02.57 | sx|lappy | hark: testing or usable :-) |
| 08:03.00 | prolix_ | testerr1: i'm pretty much computer illiterate and i managed to grow a minimal install into a fully functional operating system in under a week's total time with help from the kind folks in this room |
| 08:03.25 | testerr1 | i know i sound new but ive been using linux since hte slackware 95 days |
| 08:03.43 | testerr1 | just not all too familiar with debian |
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| 08:04.16 | greenmanwitch | where is the binary executable for oracle stored by default? |
| 08:04.19 | agnitio | here |
| 08:04.20 | hark | sx|lappy: beta4 is in experimental, but i'd just get the archive from mozilla and use it for the time being |
| 08:04.29 | agnitio | here's my dmesg output: http://pastebin.com/d177f6643 |
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| 08:04.45 | agnitio | in it I've tried to unload/reload the iwl3945 and associated modules a few times |
| 08:04.50 | sx|lappy | hark: ah... ok, will try this |
| 08:04.54 | jelly-home | greenmanwitch: #oracle ? |
| 08:05.02 | sooooooooooooooo | so does anyone know of any load balancer software that automatically syncs the file system ? |
| 08:05.09 | greenmanwitch | jelly-home: by default.. in debian |
| 08:05.17 | hark | there is an #oracle? :O |
| 08:05.23 | jelly-home | greenmanwitch: there is no oracle ... in debian. |
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| 08:05.37 | greenmanwitch | jelly-home: :S |
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| 08:06.17 | jim | greenmanwitch: you could try getting a copy of oracle 10g and installing it |
| 08:06.36 | greenmanwitch | jim: yes, I am. Thanks |
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| 08:06.44 | testerr1 | o well hope this works |
| 08:07.03 | greenmanwitch | just that I thought it would be in apt-get but I realise now after having typed apt-get install oracle |
| 08:07.16 | jim | but debian cannot distribute oracle for legal reasons... |
| 08:07.29 | greenmanwitch | it is just that this is my first ever time booting into debian and I don't really have time to learn about it |
| 08:07.35 | jim | why oracle btw? |
| 08:07.54 | Guerin | because it's enterprise-ready |
| 08:07.58 | jim | umm :) really, good luck with that :) |
| 08:07.58 | greenmanwitch | jim: because I'm installing openbravo for a friend via ssh and he wants oracle |
| 08:08.06 | jim | oh, ok |
| 08:08.10 | greenmanwitch | jim: good luck with what? |
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| 08:08.18 | greenmanwitch | yeah, he's a linux noob :P |
| 08:08.30 | jim | not learning, and expecting things to work... best of luck there :) |
| 08:08.40 | Guerin | but somehow know enough ti dictate a choice of database to you |
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| 08:08.42 | Guerin | hmm. |
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| 08:08.43 | greenmanwitch | I'm an Arch and Gentoo guy. I'll be honest, Debian doesn't look like my kind of distro so this is new to me |
| 08:08.45 | jim | I guess you want to hire someone |
| 08:08.48 | Guerin | gets more kool-aid |
| 08:08.59 | jim | so he wants debian as well |
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| 08:09.02 | _r1_ | hi |
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| 08:09.03 | greenmanwitch | jim: hire someone? No. |
| 08:09.29 | _r1_ | there is a way to know the packages list install by a debootstrap *before* the debootstrap ? |
| 08:09.32 | greenmanwitch | jim: I will learn debian eventually as this guy is thinking of employing me to work on his linux boxes which (to my knowledge) all run debian |
| 08:09.38 | jim | welp... you might be stuck then... if you're refusing to learn, it could be you'll be totally stuck |
| 08:09.40 | greenmanwitch | jim: but just not this afternoon. I'm too busy |
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| 08:09.57 | jim | oic |
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| 08:10.17 | schemelab | Etch is using Mercurial 0.9.1 ... way old |
| 08:10.19 | Guerin | _r1_: yep. There's a list someplace. dpkg -L debootstrap, I recall it being obviously-named |
| 08:10.25 | jim | you still might have some basic stuff to figure out which if unfigured will lead you to undefined results |
| 08:10.44 | greenmanwitch | It is Linux, though, so I'm sure it won't take long to figure out. I worked out boot scripts go in /etc/init.d and apt-get install <package> installs packages |
| 08:10.57 | Guerin | greenmanwitch: debian's easy, you just have to relinquish delusions about being able to do things better than the guys who made it. |
| 08:11.34 | greenmanwitch | Guerin: I wouldn't think that. I've only been using linux for a year and 4 months. I'm no expert. |
| 08:11.53 | greenmanwitch | I know more than most newbies, though, because I'm interested. |
| 08:11.54 | Guerin | that sets you apart from most gentoo users, then ;) |
| 08:11.55 | _r1_ | Guerin: ok thanks, will see |
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| 08:12.11 | greenmanwitch | Guerin: yeah, I really don't like the gentoo community as a general rule |
| 08:12.16 | jelly-home | greenmanwitch: "/msg dpkg refcard" might be of help |
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| 08:13.11 | agnitio | sorry to be a bother, but has anyone gotten iwl3945 working in lenny, maybe I missed something, after all this is my first attempt at debian |
| 08:13.29 | greenmanwitch | Guerin: I think that's why I'm slowly moving over to Arch and Freebsd, but I love Gentoo as an OS. |
| 08:13.34 | greenmanwitch | jelly-home: thanks |
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| 08:14.14 | Guerin | i give gentoo 9 months of daily use to impress me, and all it did was teach me how to hand-hold buggy python build scripts |
| 08:14.25 | Guerin | err, s/give/gave/ |
| 08:14.42 | greenmanwitch | It isn't for everyone |
| 08:14.50 | Guerin | but I am pretty good at hand-holding scripts now, for what that's worth |
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| 08:15.03 | jim | except python handholders? |
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| 08:15.18 | greenmanwitch | and by no means perfect. Some things really annoy me. Like why boot scripts are in /etc/rc.d unlike every other distro I don't know |
| 08:15.28 | Deezire | greenmanwitch: It's just very picky who it's for! :) |
| 08:15.50 | sooooooooooooooo | so does anyone know of any load balancer software that automatically syncs the file system ? |
| 08:15.51 | greenmanwitch | and as much as I love python (my native programming language), I don't know why they would make portage in it. |
| 08:16.09 | greenmanwitch | that's almost as ridiculous as slackware package management scripts in bash :P |
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| 08:16.16 | jim | greenmanwitch: so is oracle installing on it? |
| 08:16.24 | greenmanwitch | oh, yeah |
| 08:16.27 | Guerin | i came to the conclusion that its fans overlook its flaws, like a overlooks how godawful his brother's band is |
| 08:16.51 | Guerin | greenmanwitch: heh, you used `slackware' and `package management' in the same sentence. |
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| 08:16.58 | greenmanwitch | Guerin: lol!! |
| 08:17.37 | jim | cool... |
| 08:17.46 | jim | nite folx |
| 08:17.47 | Guerin | sooooooooooooooo: #debian is probably not the best venue for such a question. |
| 08:18.12 | Guerin | i think there's a high-availability channel on freenode someplace |
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| 08:20.14 | jelly-home | there's only one where they laugh in the face of linux: #linux-ha |
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| 08:20.54 | Guerin | heh |
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| 08:22.00 | jaggy- | is there an scp mount? |
| 08:22.03 | jaggy- | like winscp |
| 08:22.16 | liable | sshfs |
| 08:22.33 | Guerin | but not quite the same |
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| 08:23.13 | Mr_O | hi |
| 08:23.14 | jaggy- | I'd prefer a filesystem format than winscp |
| 08:23.24 | xoqa | going to bed, thanks jim |
| 08:23.26 | jaggy- | installing sshfs now.. wondering how it handles file modification |
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| 08:24.00 | zophy | how can i get X video mode switching to work on my laptop ? |
| 08:24.33 | zophy | xorg.conf has multiple modes listed |
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| 08:25.08 | Mr_O | how can i tag/flag/mark a package into aptitude so that it will be ignored when i upgrade or install ? |
| 08:26.08 | Mr_O | my hosted server runs a custom linux-image-2.6.18-4-686 aptitude cannot process without errors |
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| 08:28.19 | Guerin | Mr_O: man aptitude, look for `hold'. But this can cause problems if that package id depended upon by others. |
| 08:28.40 | _joey | could someone recommend tunning setting for firefox? |
| 08:28.50 | Guerin | jaggy-: be warned, it's pretty buggy. |
| 08:28.56 | Mr_O | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:29.13 | Guerin | _r1_: why the hell would you ask #debian? Ask #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 08:29.27 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 08:29.38 | Guerin | _joey: see my misguided statement to _r1_ |
| 08:30.02 | _r1_ | :) |
| 08:30.09 | _r1_ | love, peace, ... |
| 08:30.18 | Guerin | bong hits |
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| 08:30.21 | _r1_ | (I was wondering) |
| 08:30.48 | streuner | !love Guerin |
| 08:30.48 | dpkg | makes love to Guerin, caressing Guerin's hair, whispering sweet nothings in Guerin's ear... |
| 08:30.56 | Guerin | long time |
| 08:31.04 | mhymn | hi, problem in iceweasel. please watch this video(81 KB) and if possible help me, thanks. >>"http://www.box.net/shared/zw079sx8os" |
| 08:31.31 | agnitio | oh, another question, when I tried to upgrade from etch to lenny, I ran dist-upgrade, and then, just to try, I ran dist-upgrade again, and it found more things to do |
| 08:31.32 | streuner | Just describe it, dont paste random links here, thanks. |
| 08:31.42 | agnitio | then I ran "upgrade", and it did even more |
| 08:31.48 | _r1_ | streuner: ho nice :) |
| 08:31.55 | agnitio | and I had to run it three times before it found no things to do, is that normal? |
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| 08:32.44 | Guerin | agnitio: yes. |
| 08:33.09 | agnitio | Guerin: ah, where can I read about it? I can't seem to find anything |
| 08:33.33 | Guerin | agnitio: not sure whether this is covered in the install guide, but I can assure you it's normal. |
| 08:33.38 | Guerin | !ig |
| 08:33.38 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 08:33.41 | Guerin | try there anyhow |
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| 08:36.20 | agnitio | Guerin: thanks, that's good to know |
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| 08:43.40 | agnitio | Guerin: I can't seem to find much about aptitude or apt in there at all, and I've tried the manual... does it occur because of dependancy problems that has to be fixed step by step? |
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| 08:44.09 | jaggy- | hmm.. I added an sshfs entry to fstab -- it mounts as root but won't as a normal user, saying fuse: failed to exec fusermount: Permission denied |
| 08:44.58 | Guerin | agnitio: yeah, pretty much. |
| 08:45.54 | Guerin | jaggy-: I think that's a limitation of fuse. |
| 08:46.16 | reZo | hello, i have just installed xmame, but am puzzled on how to use it to emulate a game. does anyone know or have a tutorial on how to run games (roms) in it? |
| 08:46.34 | greenmanwitch | How do I install a .deb I've downloaded? |
| 08:46.48 | reZo | greenmanwitch: dpkg -i filename.deb |
| 08:47.16 | greenmanwitch | thanks |
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| 08:50.05 | jaggy- | okay.. well it works to mount it as root, and I'm using uid=,gid= options |
| 08:50.12 | ^shark_ | hi guys -- how do i open a port, i want to open 1314 |
| 08:50.43 | jaggy- | (in fstab).. use uid #'s I think too.. names didn't work for me |
| 08:50.51 | pmv | ^shark_, you mean a socket? or connect to a listening port? or allow it on a fw? |
| 08:50.56 | jaggy- | shark, when a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port |
| 08:52.26 | ^shark_ | take a look at this >> http://pastebin.com/f19fa3c64 |
| 08:52.43 | reZo | never mind, i have xmame working perfect now |
| 08:53.05 | ^shark_ | i am trying to troubleshoot the installation of festival http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Asterisk+festival+installation |
| 08:53.38 | pmv | ^shark_, have the daemon listen on 1314 |
| 08:53.56 | pmv | assuming you do not have a strict firewall that ought to do it |
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| 08:54.25 | pmv | if there is a firewall, you have to allow traffic to pass through that port |
| 08:54.38 | pmv | ^shark_, what service is 1314 anyway? |
| 08:54.57 | pmv | it does not seem to be in /etc/services |
| 08:55.01 | chrix | trying to get a silicon image 3132 card to work in debian |
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| 08:55.09 | ^shark_ | pmv: i have no firewall. how do i make the daemon listen on 1314 |
| 08:55.20 | pmv | ^shark_, what service is this anyway? |
| 08:55.21 | chrix | can't find any driver support |
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| 08:55.35 | ^shark_ | pmv: the system reports it as an unknown service |
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| 08:55.43 | pmv | ^shark_, it is your daemon, do it yourself. check the manual for the service. |
| 08:55.55 | pmv | ^shark_, you are presenting this very vaguely |
| 08:56.06 | pmv | what is supposed to be listening there? |
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| 08:56.18 | icesword | hello |
| 08:56.21 | ^shark_ | pmv: asterisk |
| 08:56.43 | pmv | #asterisk then |
| 08:56.45 | icesword | anyone has any idea what is mysql API and unix ODBC,and how can i install them |
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| 08:56.50 | ^shark_ | pmv: okay |
| 08:56.54 | ^shark_ | pmv: thanks |
| 08:57.30 | icesword | plz,anyone. |
| 08:57.38 | pmv | icesword, the API is a programming interface, like a library for using mysql in your applications. the ODBC is a database communications layer, like a db driver. |
| 08:58.09 | icesword | pmv, then how can i install them |
| 08:58.28 | pmv | icesword, the mysql channel will help |
| 08:58.35 | pmv | icesword, what language anyway? |
| 08:58.37 | icesword | thx |
| 08:58.42 | icesword | chinese |
| 08:58.48 | icesword | for what? |
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| 09:01.16 | chrix | is the chip sil 3132 supported by debian? |
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| 09:01.37 | chrix | can only find drivers for redhat and suse |
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| 09:02.46 | xnor | Hi, my fetchmail to google returns 21263:error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE how do i fix it? |
| 09:02.56 | xnor | gmail sorry |
| 09:03.34 | DGnome | chrix: if the drivers are GPL-licensed, and the chip is not too new, your chances are good. |
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| 09:04.23 | DGnome | chrix: and it is not up to debian to support that chip, it is up to the kernel that debian runs upon |
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| 09:05.19 | yacc | xnor: <= you need to check the certificate. If it's only an unknown CA, you might be able to install the CA cert as trusted. If it's borked in some other ways, you need to make fetchmail not check the certificate. |
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| 09:06.20 | yacc | xnor: disable sslcertck |
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| 09:07.21 | darkskiez_work | right, ive a machine thats started crashing, so ive attached a serial cable to catch a panic, but how do i get the panic routed to the serial cable without rebooting the server? |
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| 09:12.41 | mbroeker | darkskiez, afaik do you need to redirect it with a special kernel line param CONSOLE=/dev/ttyS0 or whatever it is and redirection cannot be applied later. |
| 09:12.57 | Bac0n | my notify stopped working on lenny |
| 09:13.01 | Bac0n | kopete |
| 09:13.15 | Bac0n | after last update |
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| 09:13.31 | mbroeker | Bac0n, there is a bug report ;) |
| 09:13.38 | Bac0n | nice |
| 09:13.39 | Bac0n | :)= |
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| 09:14.53 | mbroeker | Bac0n, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473433 |
| 09:15.08 | Bac0n | looking on it right now :)= |
| 09:15.21 | mbroeker | the knotify.la thing affects both sounds and visual notification-events |
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| 09:17.50 | mrak | hello there |
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| 09:20.34 | mrak | i have a bit problem with dist kernel 2.6.24-1 .. if i use it on 64bit virtual mashine under vmware esx servers its freezy after 5 min uptime |
| 09:20.38 | Bac0n | mbroeker: but i dont have problem with sound .... it does flash on new messages when message window is minimized |
| 09:20.59 | mrak | anybody has any idea whats problem ? |
| 09:22.05 | murph_ | hi, using wireless_tools i get an error when bringing up my wireless interface. invalid argument for "Set Encode..." its taking my passphrase (wireless-key in /etc/network/interfaces) as the encoding. |
| 09:22.11 | mbroeker | Bac0n, flash uses the system sound( alsa ) Kopete uses the kde soundsystem ( arts or whatever you set in kcontrol ) but it doesn't play anything when you type something in the kopete window |
| 09:22.35 | mbroeker | sound works, but the notification to PLAY sounds is broken |
| 09:22.41 | murph_ | .. |
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| 09:23.01 | Bac0n | ok nice then i wait :)= |
| 09:23.26 | mbroeker | Bac0n, wanna see it? |
| 09:23.31 | toe_infection | Is there any way for me to say "mv [everything except] foo /bar" -- to move everything besides foo into /bar? Can I say it concisely -- something akin to "mv *{!foo} /bar" ... I realize that this is not correct syntax at all, but I am asking how I would say [NOT][PATTERN] in shell ... |
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| 09:23.47 | Bac0n | i read you bug report |
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| 09:24.18 | mbroeker | Bac0n, that's my msn adresse too, try it: if i write you something, you won't hear any ding-dong! |
| 09:24.27 | testerr1 | what is better for a desktop debian or ubuntu ? |
| 09:24.33 | smoke__ | hey im trying to setup my domain on my vps , do i need to configure my named/bind to get it working properly with the mail/ftp/web server? |
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| 09:24.59 | sixty6murph | hi, prob with wireless tools. setting "wireless-key mypassprase" in /etc/network/interfaces but when i try to bring it up get invalid arument for encoding. |
| 09:25.08 | smoke__ | i got my domain name server setup on my vps machine, i have a domain i bought off yahoo, do i just point the nameservers to that ip address? |
| 09:25.15 | Bac0n | hehe .... i only have flash ... no ding dong :)= |
| 09:25.16 | sixty6murph | as in behaving as i had set wireless-enc mypassphrase |
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| 09:25.52 | mbroeker | Bac0n, kopete doesn't play any sounds when you type something? |
| 09:26.10 | rahsputin | good morning |
| 09:26.30 | Bac0n | i dont have speaker on ... but i can try it |
| 09:26.41 | Bac0n | never |
| 09:27.02 | Bac0n | on headphone when playing movies |
| 09:27.06 | Bac0n | only |
| 09:27.23 | idimmu | smoke__: yes |
| 09:27.32 | mbroeker | Bac0n, so you won't notice any difference except the missing yellow bubble on the bottom :) |
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| 09:28.14 | smoke__ | idimmu, ok say if im using hazard2.org, i'd set my nameservers to the ip addresses? or would i set them as ns1.hazard2.org and ns2.hazard2.org? |
| 09:28.30 | Bac0n | the yellow bouble i have .... its when message window is minimized ... it doesnt flash |
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| 09:29.32 | Bac0n | yellow bubble apears when i dont have any message window open |
| 09:29.45 | idimmu | er ip address |
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| 09:29.54 | smoke__ | k |
| 09:30.02 | idimmu | else how'd it resolve nsX.hazard2.org?! |
| 09:30.11 | smoke__ | ah yeah |
| 09:30.13 | smoke__ | good point |
| 09:30.26 | idimmu | :p |
| 09:30.28 | mbroeker | Bac0n, ups i thing i fixed the problem so fast, i never know what i have fixed lol |
| 09:30.32 | mbroeker | think |
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| 09:31.03 | Bac0n | ok ? |
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| 09:33.25 | intx | can you reinstall debian from within debian |
| 09:33.37 | tarzeau | intx: depends, where to, but yes |
| 09:33.42 | intx | same system |
| 09:33.55 | intx | where do I go about finding out how to do it? |
| 09:33.56 | tarzeau | same system is possible, but not on the same place |
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| 09:34.02 | tarzeau | i've got some hints here: |
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| 09:34.09 | tarzeau | http://io.debian.net/~tar/gnustep/install.txt |
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| 09:41.32 | niru | In kde how can i change the panel |
| 09:41.39 | niru | which package does that |
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| 09:42.05 | testerr1 | whats the best office suite ? |
| 09:42.11 | idimmu | ms office |
| 09:42.17 | VCL | hi. what kernel version does debian sarge (3.1) use? |
| 09:42.19 | testerr1 | open office or koffice maybe theres mrore |
| 09:42.42 | idimmu | there is also gnome office and ms office under wine |
| 09:43.12 | testerr1 | gnome office ? |
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| 09:43.37 | testerr1 | ah abiword |
| 09:43.41 | testerr1 | abiword is pretty good |
| 09:43.44 | paxcoder | yeah, but i don't think ti can measure up to openoffice |
| 09:44.28 | liable | VCL: 2.6.8 or 2.4.27 sarge is no longer supported |
| 09:44.29 | testerr1 | http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.jspa |
| 09:44.31 | testerr1 | yay or nay ? |
| 09:44.53 | VCL | liable: I know sarge is no longer supported. but I must help someone who is still using sarge and he cannot upgrade |
| 09:44.59 | paxcoder | nay |
| 09:45.04 | paxcoder | it's propriatery |
| 09:45.04 | testerr1 | really? |
| 09:45.08 | testerr1 | sure? |
| 09:45.18 | paxcoder | *proprietary |
| 09:45.18 | VCL | so sarge comes with kernel 2.6 *and* 2.4? |
| 09:45.24 | VCL | which one is default? |
| 09:45.27 | paxcoder | yeah |
| 09:45.39 | VCL | I must specify a kernel version in VMWare |
| 09:45.45 | paxcoder | then find it out |
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| 09:46.02 | testerr1 | well i guess but still its free and based on ODF hehhehe |
| 09:46.07 | liable | VCL: 2.6 was default |
| 09:46.14 | paxcoder | applications-system-preferences-sys profiler and benchmark |
| 09:46.19 | paxcoder | if you have it in sarge :-) |
| 09:46.20 | petemc | for sarge? |
| 09:46.29 | VCL | thanks |
| 09:46.43 | liable | petemc: wasnt it, or is my memory failing? |
| 09:46.54 | testerr1 | paxcoder: still it might be good |
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| 09:47.04 | liable | linux26 was the boot thing wannit, so 2.4 was default |
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| 09:47.22 | paxcoder | VMware is proprietary too. what is with you people? :-/ |
| 09:47.22 | petemc | right |
| 09:47.44 | liable | VCL: sorry, 2.4 was default |
| 09:47.49 | VCL | :/ |
| 09:47.53 | VCL | *resetting VMWare* |
| 09:48.00 | paxcoder | testerr1: windows and msoffice might be good too. |
| 09:48.04 | testerr1 | i do like virtualbox |
| 09:48.18 | paxcoder | didn't try. i used only qemu |
| 09:48.21 | VCL | virtualbox never worked reliably for me |
| 09:48.23 | testerr1 | paxcoder: symphony runs on linux as well too |
| 09:48.30 | paxcoder | testerr1: so? |
| 09:48.45 | testerr1 | just cause osmehting is not GPL doesnt them bad |
| 09:49.13 | paxcoder | testerr1: i didn't say it's bad in regarding to quality. but in regarding to principle |
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| 09:49.30 | testerr1 | if you spetn that kind of money making it |
| 09:49.33 | testerr1 | would you make it free ? |
| 09:49.39 | testerr1 | i mean thats a tough decision |
| 09:49.42 | VCL | paxcoder: I don't think your BIOS is open source. might as well not use a computer at all |
| 09:49.45 | paxcoder | testerr1: didn't get you, rephrase plz |
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| 09:50.12 | paxcoder | VLC: some things just don't have an alternative. or a reasonable alternative. Like BIOS and flash |
| 09:50.13 | testerr1 | paxcoder: software development is expensive atleast be happy they are giving it away for free |
| 09:50.34 | paxcoder | testerr1: that means they could be making it free all the way (libre) |
| 09:51.00 | paxcoder | VLC: but soon as LinuxBios/OpenBios and Gnash get better, I'm switching |
| 09:51.28 | paxcoder | VLC: by better, I mean resonably usable, not better than the real thing |
| 09:52.18 | paxcoder | I don't know why you use Linux if not for the principle? Do you think you're cool if u use it? ;-) |
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| 09:52.46 | VCL | "the principle" doesn't necessary apply to everything |
| 09:52.48 | petemc | paxcoder: wtf are you talking about? |
| 09:52.50 | VCL | not everybody is a purist |
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| 09:53.11 | paxcoder | VLC: i asked why then? I don't get it |
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| 09:53.26 | paxcoder | petemc: GNU principle, you know GPL, GNU/Linux and stuff... :-P |
| 09:53.28 | VCL | pragmatism. I have to get work done, and virtualbox doesn't allow me to |
| 09:53.37 | VCL | for some reason virtualbox fscks up my keyboard |
| 09:53.39 | paxcoder | VLC: how about qemu? |
| 09:54.08 | VCL | and qemu has no good user interface. sorry but I want to spend my time using the OS in the VM, not configuring the VM itself |
| 09:54.09 | omry|work | my automated backup used all the free space on the partition. I investigated and found that clamav is using 9GB(!) on /var/lib/clamav. anyone encountered this? |
| 09:54.24 | VCL | if qemu has a UI that's as good or better than VMWare, I'll switch |
| 09:54.38 | VCL | until then, I'll stick with VMWare |
| 09:54.45 | paxcoder | VLC: that's hardly an excuse |
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| 09:54.55 | VCL | ok you tell me why it's not an excuse |
| 09:55.10 | VCL | who says it isn't an excuse? the almighty lord? |
| 09:55.15 | VCL | the judge? |
| 09:55.28 | paxcoder | VLC: because things are usually done the hard way in linux, and you still use it |
| 09:55.39 | paxcoder | so i still don't know why you use it |
| 09:56.03 | VCL | things aren't, and should be, done the hard way. that's why I use ubuntu and GUI config tools :p |
| 09:56.22 | paxcoder | VCL: oh. that explains it :-D |
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| 09:56.38 | VCL | I use linux because most things are open source, while being sufficiently easy to use to me |
| 09:56.46 | paxcoder | lemme guess: you show compiz-fusion to all your friends? XD |
| 09:56.58 | VCL | that, combined with the excellent development environment |
| 09:57.02 | VCL | and powerful tools |
| 09:57.09 | VCL | and yes I use compiz |
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| 09:57.24 | paxcoder | VCL: what dev env? haven't found a decent one on gnome yet |
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| 09:57.35 | VCL | it's called the command line :p |
| 09:57.47 | paxcoder | VCL: "from the beginning" :-) |
| 09:58.05 | paxcoder | I still don't get you, ahh... what can you do :-) |
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| 09:59.51 | VCL | the development environment is the set of commandline tools. more importantly: the set of commandline tools that work out of the box |
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| 10:00.14 | VCL | this is unlike windows, where people have to manually install visual studio (which can take half an hour depending on the size) |
| 10:00.16 | paxcoder | VCL: what editor do you use? |
| 10:00.23 | VCL | gedit and kate |
| 10:00.56 | paxcoder | VCL: kate's cool. too bad i use gnome. (yeah, i know it can run, but i get a funky feeling doing that) |
| 10:01.04 | paxcoder | VCL: i use nano |
| 10:01.23 | VCL | I just setup a clearlooks-like theme |
| 10:01.28 | VCL | so all my kde apps look similar to gnome's |
| 10:01.39 | paxcoder | hehe |
| 10:01.51 | VCL | nano... a bit limiting for me. I can't click around |
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| 10:02.14 | paxcoder | VCL: click around? |
| 10:02.24 | paxcoder | reports: just installed KDE, we got to keep an open mind right? |
| 10:02.44 | VCL | yes. I like being able to drag the scrollbar with my mouse |
| 10:02.48 | VCL | can't do that in nano |
| 10:03.02 | paxcoder | VCL: but you can scroll with a wheel |
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| 10:03.13 | VCL | and I like being able to open multiple documents in an editor, and see the list of documents directly in the GUI |
| 10:03.24 | VCL | yes but I can't see where exactly in the document I am. there is no scrollbar indicator |
| 10:03.34 | paxcoder | VCL: yeah, that one is a bit difficult :-) |
| 10:03.38 | VCL | this is particularly important when editing source files longer than 200 lines |
| 10:03.46 | paxcoder | VCL: got it, multiple tabs in bash :-) |
| 10:04.09 | violetbutt | why does the sound not play everytime? |
| 10:04.11 | VCL | I'd rather reserve bash tabs for the compiler and other tools |
| 10:04.20 | paxcoder | VCL: dunno, i always preferred command-line editing |
| 10:04.36 | paxcoder | VCL: you can open another window :-) |
| 10:04.51 | paxcoder | violetbutt: be more specific |
| 10:05.01 | VCL | I prefer to have only 2 windows (editor + commandline) so I can switch with only a single alt-tab |
| 10:05.26 | paxcoder | VCL: there's also multiple desktops :-P TAKE THAT! |
| 10:05.30 | paxcoder | hehe |
| 10:05.44 | VCL | I do, but other desktops are already reserved for IRC and web browser :p |
| 10:05.49 | paxcoder | VCL: and it's alt+shift+tab there |
| 10:05.50 | violetbutt | paxcoder I run realplayer and anouther sound app and suddenly there is only silence! |
| 10:06.21 | paxcoder | violetbutt: what other app? |
| 10:06.59 | violetbutt | paxcoder it differs |
| 10:07.10 | paxcoder | violett: rythmbox? |
| 10:07.58 | violetbutt | can anyone help me? |
| 10:08.47 | violetbutt | paxcoder no |
| 10:08.53 | paxcoder | violetbutt: really can't say |
| 10:09.01 | paxcoder | works fine here |
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| 10:11.04 | violetbutt | why does my soundsystem have so much crashes? |
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| 10:11.33 | paxcoder | what do you have, OSS, or Alsa? |
| 10:11.33 | violetbutt | I think this is a hacker who knows how to crash realplayer! |
| 10:11.35 | liable | why is your butt purple? |
| 10:11.55 | br1 | hey, guys .. I'm trying to roll my own .deb, and I must say there is definetly a learning curve .. I have a few questions, so I'll try here .. Do I need to preserve my package development environment, or can I generate that environment again just using the resulting .deb ? |
| 10:11.55 | paxcoder | violetbutt: don't be paranoid |
| 10:11.58 | liable | on second thoughts, i dont want to know ;) |
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| 10:12.45 | paxcoder | br1 asks some hard questions: wanna bet he won't get answered? |
| 10:12.53 | violetbutt | paxcoder I dont now! Im paranoid, but this happens every time I switch the sound app |
| 10:13.47 | liable | paxcoder: where did that little assumption come from? |
| 10:14.03 | violetbutt | now I have killed arts, but when I start realplayer silence |
| 10:14.11 | paxcoder | violetbutt: nobody's waiting connected, to see you wanting to play music, and then disable you. try reinstalling alsa&oss or something |
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| 10:14.35 | liable | br1: what exactly do you mean by package building environment? |
| 10:14.37 | paxcoder | liable: well, there's 813 users here. not one has offered you an answer. I'd call it experience |
| 10:14.52 | paxcoder | i mean offered br1 an answer |
| 10:15.12 | liable | paxcoder: dont forget, at any one time in #debian there are 95% idlers.. |
| 10:15.13 | br1 | liable: the directories resulting from using dh_make and editing the resulting files |
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| 10:15.55 | liable | br1: you keep that environment from the .dsc and .orig.tar.gz and other files built during the make |
| 10:16.15 | liable | br1: the diff, orig and dsc are all thats required |
| 10:16.19 | paxcoder | liable: well that's useless then. but there's still 40 users active then, and they won't budge |
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| 10:16.45 | paxcoder | *or don't know what to say |
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| 10:16.52 | liable | paxcoder: i dont get what your beef is, you expect someone to be an expert on anything thats asked at any point in time? |
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| 10:17.32 | paxcoder | liable: well that's actually what people expect coming here asking questions. it is an official channel, is it not? |
| 10:17.40 | liable | no its not |
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| 10:17.52 | liable | and anyway, its run by volunteers |
| 10:17.58 | br1 | liable: so the results I get from using debuild or dpkg-buildpackage can be used to generate the environment that resulted in those files being built ? .. Can I go from $DEB_BUILDING_DIR to .deb, .dsc and org to $DEB_BUILDING_DIR again ? |
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| 10:18.04 | paxcoder | liable: it's not that I'm aggravated or anything, I just speak from experience |
| 10:18.21 | paxcoder | liable: what's the official channel then? |
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| 10:18.28 | liable | paxcoder: its on oftc |
| 10:18.39 | paxcoder | liable: oftc? |
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| 10:18.47 | simNIX | greetings |
| 10:18.52 | paxcoder | yello |
| 10:18.55 | liable | br1: if you have the .diff .orig.tar.gz and .dsc you can rebuild with dpkg-source |
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| 10:19.10 | liable | paxcoder: irc.debian.org (oftc network) |
| 10:19.32 | paxcoder | thx |
| 10:19.39 | raphi | how do I update my menus when it uses the files in '/usr/share/applications'? a newly installed ap doesn't show up.. |
| 10:20.45 | br1 | liable: so I can do this ? 1. use dh_make, edit a lot of files and "do the right thing". 2. Generate all package files (.deb, .dsc and .org). 3. Delete the whole package-building-thingy. 4. Need to update package, so I just get those files and use dpkg-source to get package-building-thingy back ? |
| 10:20.48 | themill | liable, paxcoder: the official or otherwise status of the channels is rather ambiguous. They are both frequently claimed to be unofficial, but freenode policy indicates that channels beginning with # are official while ## are unofficial. And there are discussions on debian-* mailing list about how #debian-* should be run. (see recent storm about #d-ot on d-women, for example). |
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| 10:21.19 | violetbutt | paxcoder where from did you knew that Im paranoid? |
| 10:21.48 | br1 | violetbutt: because he knows those guys that are out to get you .. |
| 10:21.51 | paxcoder | violetbutt: you said a hacker crashes your music apps :-) |
| 10:21.57 | liable | themill: i thought this was cleared up a while ago when they made oftc? there was a shitstorm about us here being assholes, so they made the oftc channel offical. i believe debian.org mentions its official.. |
| 10:21.59 | paxcoder | br1: lol |
| 10:22.24 | liable | br1: yes, if you have those three files. |
| 10:22.48 | paxcoder | violetbutt: and they're very angry with you :-D |
| 10:23.20 | paxcoder | violetbutt: why aren't you laughing, you know we're just kidding right? :-D |
| 10:23.20 | violetbutt | paxcoder I dont talk to germans! |
| 10:23.23 | br1 | liable: okay, thank you .. since we're off to such a good start, might I ask what is the preferred method for building ? .. Should I use "debuild" or "dpkg-buildpackage" ? |
| 10:23.47 | liable | br1: either. i have been using debuild lately. |
| 10:23.47 | paxcoder | violetbutt: ok, thats dumb, but that still doesn't explain it. |
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| 10:24.11 | liable | br1: i am not that intimate with the whole process though. |
| 10:24.18 | paxcoder | violetbutt: i guess your whois lies :-P |
| 10:24.26 | themill | liable: the answer is always yes and no. It's the same ops, the same channel policy etc between the two networks. I've given up worrying about it... they're both official in an unofficial sort of way :) |
| 10:24.51 | paxcoder | liable: HA! (or not) |
| 10:24.58 | paxcoder | ;-) |
| 10:25.12 | liable | themill: agreed, but i do recall don mentioning it not long ago which reinforced that this channel isnt official. |
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| 10:25.14 | br1 | liable: okay, sounds reasonable. Thank you again, that was very helpful .. |
| 10:25.20 | liable | br1: yw |
| 10:25.48 | br1 | paxcoder: so there, #debian delivered .. ah, my faith in IRC is resurrected once again :-) |
| 10:25.58 | violetbutt | why does the bugreporting not appear when the sound crashes? |
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| 10:26.29 | paxcoder | violetbutt: what does it mean, "sound crashes"? you mean the app crashes? |
| 10:26.45 | violetbutt | paxcoder no |
| 10:27.01 | paxcoder | violetbutt: ...? |
| 10:27.29 | liable | themill: and i like this channel not being official, it kills those trolls that get on their high horse about stupid shit :) |
| 10:27.53 | paxcoder | liable: hmmm :-) |
| 10:28.05 | themill | liable: well all the idiots tend to jump on irc.debian.org which does help :) |
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| 10:28.34 | violetbutt | paxcoder sometimes realplyer ives errormessages and sometimes I start another app and I hear nothing! |
| 10:28.51 | violetbutt | I have a soundblaster vibr |
| 10:28.56 | violetbutt | +a |
| 10:29.00 | liable | themill: i gave up on that channel not long after it was born. the whole split i thought was childish.. but thats OT ;) |
| 10:29.12 | paxcoder | violetbutt: you're really speaking too little for a guy that needs help. what messages, what app, what? |
| 10:29.49 | xnor | liable: Just wait till the officialcrew does a takeover of this channel as they did to debian.se |
| 10:29.52 | paxcoder | liable: why's freenode so popular and called free anyway? (beer right?) |
| 10:30.13 | liable | xnor: the same ops run both channels. |
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| 10:30.27 | liable | paxcoder: freenode has been around forever |
| 10:30.43 | paxcoder | liable: violetbutt: same ops? it's a conspiracy! XD |
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| 10:31.04 | liable | xnor: they did that quite some time back. /msg dpkg fable |
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| 10:31.19 | violetbutt | paxcoder at the moment I have heard a youtube file and then started realplayer, and there is only silece |
| 10:31.34 | xnor | liable: Thats true |
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| 10:32.05 | paxcoder | can't anyone help violetbutt? he obviously can't mix sound (or whatever it's called, you know) |
| 10:32.33 | paxcoder | i don't know, really |
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| 10:33.14 | hoxu | !alsa checklist |
| 10:33.14 | dpkg | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 10:33.16 | paxcoder | i guess you all wouldn't help me install ATI driver, correct? o.O (blink, blink) |
| 10:33.36 | darkskiez_ | why do some packages have 'etch' in the version string, some have 'dfsg' and some have none ? |
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| 10:35.01 | paxcoder | darkskiez_: because some are for Debian ETCH, some are for Debian DFSG (totaly unstable, release date: yr 2080), and some are not packages at all XD |
| 10:35.02 | violetbutt | paxcoder you are dead! |
| 10:35.16 | violetbutt | thx hoxu |
| 10:35.19 | paxcoder | violetbutt: huh? |
| 10:35.36 | paxcoder | the bad thing is that all my bad jokes are logged XD |
| 10:36.17 | br1 | paxcoder: he is trying to tell you that you are in fact deceased .. you know, the putrid smell, the longing for brains, not being tired or hungry might all be symptoms of being a zombie, you know |
| 10:36.24 | hoxu | paxcoder, yes, we will be sending them to your ministry of acceptable humor for screening |
| 10:36.49 | themill | paxcoder: most unhelpful |
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| 10:36.57 | paxcoder | themill: lol |
| 10:37.06 | paxcoder | sry |
| 10:37.15 | themill | darkskiez_: most packages have nothing like that in the version string because they just have upstreamversion-debianrevision as their version numner. |
| 10:37.32 | hoxu | stels themill's tissue and runs away leaving him to deal with the raving lunatics |
| 10:38.06 | hoxu | +a |
| 10:38.20 | themill | darkskiez_: sometimes the source needs to be repackaged to remove junk that shouldn't be in the source tarball (like non-free fonts packaged up with X) so the source version gets a dfsg added to it to indicate that this was the sort of change made. /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 10:38.22 | paxcoder | AFK |
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| 10:39.36 | hoxu | !public away |
| 10:39.36 | dpkg | We don't care if you're 'afk' or 'having coffee' or 'doing my wife'. If we want to know, we'll /msg or /wii you. |
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| 10:40.10 | themill | darkskiez_: and sometimes a new version of a package is uploaded directly to etch as opposed to going through unstable. This happens once etch is frozen which happened shortly before release back in april last year. So packages that have etch in their version string are normally ones that have changed since etch was frozen. This can be to correct serious bugs or for security updates. |
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| 10:47.17 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:47.17 | dpkg | * Guerin/#debian goes to pick his wife up from kindy |
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| 10:48.38 | enouf | liable: fable? wtf is that crap - talk about beating around the bush and just babbling :-P |
| 10:49.22 | themill | it's called not getting to the point in order to be polite. ish. |
| 10:49.38 | liable | enouf: i dont think you were here during that period. its actually very well written if you saw what happened at the time.. |
| 10:49.48 | Raging_Hog | Groupwise cross-platform client says it takes it's time from OS. In the calendar the time of an item is regular time but in the properties it's adjusted to the daylight saving hours. Can I check if I could fix it from Debian? |
| 10:50.25 | Raging_Hog | hwclock and date show the time correct(adjusted to the daylight savings) |
| 10:50.31 | liable | enouf: go back through debstats and you'll see which ops were around then and not been seen since. |
| 10:50.40 | enouf | i like themill 's explanation better, otherwise i'll get nasty thoughts |
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| 10:51.27 | liable | the channel is a socially nicer place, as for technical skills, i dunno. |
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| 10:51.58 | enouf | i mean, whatever that drivel is could likely be applied to the Bush administration and/or any 'sect' like "wintedno weenies" ;-) |
| 10:52.05 | PiousMinion | When I do apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-'(good|bad|ugly)' ho do I prevent if from installing gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-dev as well? Not sure where I have it wrong. |
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| 10:52.47 | liable | enouf: shrug, most of use thought it summed it up well at the time. |
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| 10:53.56 | themill | PiousMinion: you don't need the -dev packages unless you are planning to compile plugins yourself |
| 10:54.09 | sixty6murph | hi, when i run wpa_supplicant -B -Dwext ...... from the shell it works fine, brings up device. when i use that as pre-up in /etc/interfaces, it doesn't? |
| 10:54.21 | itguru | I'm looking for a recommendation - I need to build an email server rather quickly, and I need it to deliver email from to different users at the same domain, to different locations - Is this possible? |
| 10:54.43 | PiousMinion | themill: I agree. I'm trying to use one command to install what I want and skip the dev and dbg packages. |
| 10:54.44 | themill | liable: aiui, #bash is a mirror of what #debian used to be like... #bash is useless to get answers from because although they might have good technical skills, they're too busy showing off to each other by trying to put down anyone who asks questions, hitting people with inappropriate botspew and telling them that they facing an "xyproblem" without trying to understand what the question really is. |
| 10:54.54 | liable | sixty6murph: you dont need to do that at all in interfaces. read /usr/share/doc/wpasupllicant/modes |
| 10:55.05 | smica | uptime |
| 10:55.07 | enouf | !interfaces |
| 10:55.07 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 10:55.08 | smica | sorry |
| 10:55.28 | hoxu | itguru, /etc/aliases maybe? |
| 10:55.52 | liable | themill: dunno, whilst i agree with your summary of #bash, i dont think debian was anywhere near as bad as that. |
| 10:56.15 | enouf | sixty6murph: i'm pretty sure you add lines to your /interfaces file |
| 10:56.21 | themill | itguru: forwarding mail is pretty trivial if you're setting it up by hand for just a few addresses. |
| 10:56.49 | sixty6murph | thanks i'll check it out. |
| 10:56.55 | itguru | hoxu: basically, bob is in the london office - mary is in the new york office - all email comes into my server, i need to forward bobs email to the email server in london, and marys to the email server in new york |
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| 10:57.32 | themill | itguru: are there actually 1000 Bob's and 1000 Mary's or are there only a couple of them to deal with. |
| 10:57.52 | themill | liable: some of the same people are involved which makes me wonder. But I wasn't here to know. |
| 10:57.53 | enouf | themill: i've seen some real winners wander into bash, lmao, asking about some garbage .. even they had no business even being near a keyboard O_o |
| 10:57.57 | itguru | themill: in the hundreds |
| 10:58.02 | enouf | even though |
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| 10:58.10 | liable | themill: i did hang in bash for a while, and the few times i did actually have questions, even twkb actually helped me without being too much of an asshole.. |
| 10:58.29 | enouf | and what an asshole that fuckwit is ;-) |
| 10:58.45 | liable | themill: greycat and mwilson are the only two i know of that were regulars that have left here. |
| 10:58.50 | enouf | </my OT> |
| 10:59.03 | hoxu | liable, where's bob2 ?!? |
| 10:59.05 | hoxu | !annoy bob2 |
| 10:59.05 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME bob2!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:59.16 | themill | heh |
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| 10:59.26 | liable | hoxu: apparently he fell in love.. so the story goes. |
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| 10:59.38 | ribasushi | hi |
| 10:59.41 | liable | bah, who changed that! |
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| 10:59.51 | liable | IT USED TO SAY, HELP ME FUXORZ! |
| 10:59.53 | hoxu | !factinfo annoy bob2 |
| 10:59.54 | dpkg | annoy bob2 -- created by sussudio <Suss@d51132d0.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Mon Feb 17 09:28:34 2003 (1872 days); last modified at Sat Mar 29 18:03:34 2003 by richih; it has been requested 51 times, last by hoxu at Thu Jan 24 10:31:55 2008. |
| 11:00.02 | hoxu | !blame RichiH |
| 11:00.03 | dpkg | blames rox and RichiH for all the evil in the world |
| 11:00.05 | ribasushi | does the debian guideline define any specific role for the adm account? |
| 11:00.13 | ribasushi | is it just a convenient umbrella for log access? |
| 11:00.17 | ribasushi | or are there other uses? |
| 11:00.31 | hoxu | ribasushi, afaik, just logfiles, try using find yourself to confirm |
| 11:00.34 | enouf | 2003? omg |
| 11:00.38 | liable | that time is not correct |
| 11:00.47 | hoxu | enouf, I think that's a lie. dpkg is a bloody liar. |
| 11:00.54 | enouf | oh, nice job hoxu |
| 11:01.13 | hoxu | what did I do now? |
| 11:01.16 | itguru | a |
| 11:01.16 | ribasushi | hoxu: I did before asking, however here is the dillema - I grant adm membership to some user, and then it turns out adm is used for something else as well |
| 11:01.23 | ribasushi | hoxu: thus my question |
| 11:01.31 | enouf | hoxu: nm, i misread, as usual :-p |
| 11:01.50 | hoxu | ribasushi, good question actually, feel free to dig it out from the docs and let us know where the purpose is carved in stone |
| 11:01.56 | enouf | admin is for reading logs |
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| 11:02.07 | itguru | themill: There are at least 400 people at each site, plus around 100 non human email addresses, like support@YYY.com etc |
| 11:02.35 | liable | dondelelcaro: whats the story with that bob2 factoid? it certainly wasnt modified back in 2003 to say help me bob2. |
| 11:02.36 | enouf | (it's main purpose or whatever) |
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| 11:03.14 | SchrodingerSloth | i need to write a script which renames all files in a directory, replacing spaces with underscores - can anyone help? |
| 11:03.15 | hoxu | liable, I smell a conspiracy. |
| 11:03.29 | hoxu | SchrodingerSloth, perl's rename |
| 11:03.37 | hoxu | SchrodingerSloth, man 1 rename |
| 11:03.38 | liable | hoxu: there is something odd with that |
| 11:03.55 | ribasushi | hoxu: yep found it http://www.linuxsecurity.com/resource_files/host_security/securing-debian-howto/ch8.en.html#s8.9 |
| 11:04.01 | SchrodingerSloth | hoxu - thanks |
| 11:04.05 | ribasushi | Members of this group can read many log files in /var/log, and can use xconsole. Historically, /var/log was /usr/adm (and later /var/adm), thus the name of the group. |
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| 11:04.27 | itguru | is pissed of with xchat for crashing on him.... again |
| 11:04.38 | liable | !best irc client |
| 11:04.38 | dpkg | from memory, irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 11:05.02 | ribasushi | liable: that's non-gui isn't it? |
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| 11:05.20 | enouf | ribasushi: /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
| 11:05.30 | liable | ribasushi: its gui if you run it in an xterm :) |
| 11:05.35 | enouf | adm Group adm is used for system monitoring tasks. Members of this group can read many log files in /var/log, and can use xconsole. Historically, /var/log was /usr/adm (and later /var/adm), thus the name of the group. HELP: Perhaps policy should state the purpose of this group so users may be safely added to it, in certainty that all they'll be able to do is read logs. Wouldn't hurt to rename it 'log' either ... |
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| 11:05.56 | ribasushi | enouf++ |
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| 11:06.23 | themill | itguru: hmmm then you're going to need a sophisticated way of determining who is on what server, aren't you. Do you have suitable information in ldap or a db? |
| 11:06.28 | SchrodingerSloth | hoxu, is this right? rename -v 's/\ /\_/g' * |
| 11:06.34 | hoxu | dpkg, adm is members of the adm group can read log files in /var/log and use xconsole, see file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
| 11:06.34 | dpkg | hoxu: okay |
| 11:07.00 | hoxu | SchrodingerSloth, no need to escape space I think, also, see the --no-act option |
| 11:07.21 | enouf | ribasushi: how did you find that before me? :-) |
| 11:07.45 | SchrodingerSloth | hoxu, ah, i missed that flag ;) thanks |
| 11:07.46 | liable | dpkg annoy bob2 =~ s/bob2/FUXORZ/ |
| 11:07.46 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'bob2', liable |
| 11:07.47 | ribasushi | enouf: wandered around in google |
| 11:08.20 | hoxu | liable, weird |
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| 11:08.35 | liable | dpkg annoy bob2 =~ s/bob2!!!!!!!!!/FUXORZ!!!!!!!!!/ |
| 11:08.36 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'bob2!!!!!!!!!', liable |
| 11:08.40 | liable | bah |
| 11:08.45 | enouf | ribasushi: i knew it was a doc on HDD, but had to issue a $ find /usr/share/doc -name "*group*" to locate it's real name, after failing with usually searching in /usr/share/doc |
| 11:09.51 | ribasushi | pets enouf |
| 11:10.16 | liable | looks the other way |
| 11:10.17 | enouf | purrs |
| 11:10.28 | hoxu | liable, figured it |
| 11:10.37 | hoxu | !factinfo CMD: annoy (.*?) |
| 11:10.38 | dpkg | cmd: annoy (.*?) -- created by Supaplex <supaplex@166-70-62-194.ip.xmission.com> at Sat Feb 23 04:12:24 2008 (40 days); it has been requested 19 times, last by themill, 42s ago. |
| 11:10.50 | liable | ah, i always forget the CMD ones |
| 11:10.53 | sixty6mu1ph | thanks again for help. sorted. |
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| 11:11.04 | ribasushi | liable: don't look away, he might bite me while noone is looking |
| 11:11.22 | ribasushi | a sneaky creature he is |
| 11:11.37 | liable | hoxu: the CMD annoy isnt the bob2 annoy |
| 11:11.46 | liable | hoxu: they are different |
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| 11:12.09 | hoxu | yup, I removed the new one... now to figure out a sinister plot to extract revenge :P |
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| 11:17.10 | liable | that annoy bob2 factoid is a bit of #debian history. It shouldnt be altered. /end rant |
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| 11:19.00 | enouf | ahh, liable , i was going to create a 'wpa{supplicant}' factoid .. both are there already :-P |
| 11:19.06 | nelf | I can print to my CUPS network printer using evince (pdf), but it doesn't come up on the openoffice print list |
| 11:19.27 | liable | enouf: eh? |
| 11:19.32 | enouf | !wpa |
| 11:19.33 | dpkg | [wpa] Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Etch and Sarge in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 11:19.41 | liable | ah |
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| 11:19.55 | liable | that file says all you need to know |
| 11:20.05 | enouf | also !wpasupplicant if you like to type O_o |
| 11:20.16 | liable | its one of the better readme i think |
| 11:20.40 | liable | s/readme/readme's/ |
| 11:20.56 | enouf | im ay read it, just for the f of it, i think it's installed for no apparent reason, except i wanted to learn about it :-P |
| 11:21.06 | enouf | s/i may/ |
| 11:21.48 | enouf | ahh, only wireless-tools is installed |
| 11:21.52 | nelf | I can't work out how to get my network printer into my printer list in openoffice (etch) - I have cupsys-bsd installed, and can print to it using evince + other apps. Am I missing something? |
| 11:21.55 | enouf | !fail me |
| 11:22.24 | enouf | !cups |
| 11:22.25 | dpkg | from memory, cups is a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup> |
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| 11:22.37 | enouf | there .. that URL ^^^ |
| 11:22.53 | enouf | localhost |
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| 11:25.36 | liable | calc prints for me |
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| 11:27.20 | nelf | enouf, liable: cups is set up just fine at that URL, it just doesn't appear in openoffice - I can print from emacs, iceweasel, evince etc etc |
| 11:27.45 | enouf | nelf: try #openoffice.org maybe ? |
| 11:28.19 | nelf | enouf: ok |
| 11:28.33 | nufun | hi, I've a little problem with notification-daemon package. when I try to upgrade my system I get an error.. |
| 11:28.40 | enouf | nelf: did you just install OOo ? |
| 11:28.55 | my007ms | while i am checking /var/log/messages i find -- MARK -- |
| 11:28.59 | my007ms | many time |
| 11:29.08 | enouf | yes, hat's your syslogd IIRC |
| 11:29.10 | my007ms | what is -- MARK -- in /var/log/messages mean ? |
| 11:29.15 | enouf | every 20min or so |
| 11:29.38 | enouf | s/hat's /that's |
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| 11:29.59 | nelf | enouf: I'm asking in #openoffice.org, but no, I've had OOo installed for quite a while |
| 11:30.08 | enouf | nelf: oh, ok |
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| 11:30.15 | my007ms | enouf, i don't have any irc service |
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| 11:30.24 | enouf | irc? |
| 11:30.40 | enouf | !iirc |
| 11:30.40 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 11:30.42 | nufun | subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status |
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| 11:31.15 | enouf | nufun: cat /etc/debian_release |
| 11:31.27 | enouf | gah |
| 11:31.32 | enouf | nufun: cat /etc/debian_version ;-) |
| 11:31.59 | my007ms | 4.0 in SPARC machine |
| 11:32.06 | nufun | enouf: i'm trying to upgrade from etch to lenny... |
| 11:32.08 | themill | !mark |
| 11:32.08 | dpkg | Basically --MARK-- is syslogd telling you it hasn't crashed. To disable the --MARK-- messages, edit /etc/default/sysklogd and change the SYSLOGD="" line to read SYSLOGD="-m 0" then run /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart. |
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| 11:32.37 | nufun | now it says lenny/sid |
| 11:33.37 | enouf | nufun: now? |
| 11:33.44 | solemnwarning | I've configured a CUPS/Samba printserver using the CUPS print driver on the windows clients |
| 11:33.53 | nufun | I've tried to reconfigure/remove/force install.. but error is still there.. |
| 11:34.07 | enouf | nufun: from etch->lenny ? |
| 11:34.11 | solemnwarning | For some reason CUPS doesn't know how many pages are in a print job from the windows machine, can anyone help me? |
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| 11:35.22 | nufun | enouf: yes.. did I do something wrong? |
| 11:35.47 | enouf | nufun: did yuo follow instructs from /msg dpg etch->lenny ? as /topic says? |
| 11:36.02 | enouf | nufun: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 11:37.27 | enouf | nufun: and upgrading isn't really bad or anything, if it's a desktop, you're pretty comfortable with linux/nix, and you follow recommendations ;-) |
| 11:37.36 | themill | nufun: that's also not the error. Please pastebin the entire log along with the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 11:38.16 | nufun | enouf: I didn't... I simple change the source-list... I thought it where enought... |
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| 11:38.26 | nufun | was |
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| 11:38.35 | ]Mster_Of_Chaos | did anyone saw codeblocks working once ? |
| 11:39.28 | ]Mster_Of_Chaos | no ? |
| 11:39.40 | enouf | nufun: /msg dpkg grounding .. you likely want a dist-upgrade and perhaps you didn't do that |
| 11:40.01 | PiousMinion | When I do apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-'(good|bad|ugly)' how do I prevent if from installing gstreamer0.10-plugins-good-dev,dbg,etc as well? Not sure where I have it wrong. |
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| 11:41.45 | enouf | huh? you can select specific versions using a '=' versionstring, IIRC |
| 11:42.12 | enouf | or do you want 'hold' ? i misunderstand maybe |
| 11:42.46 | themill | PiousMinion: please pastebin the entire output of your install session including the command you gave. |
| 11:42.49 | yang | Funny thing after reconfiguring locales i still see LANGUAGE=unset LC_ALL=unset and i keep getting those messages everytim eI upgrade |
| 11:43.07 | PiousMinion | themill: will do. |
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| 11:48.06 | PiousMinion | themill: --> http://pastebin.ca/968914 |
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| 11:49.31 | yacc | Hmm, any other page like www.apt-get.org? |
| 11:49.45 | yacc | It seems to be very very slow answering queries. |
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| 11:50.17 | enouf | yacc: like? that's not an official debian mirror |
| 11:50.20 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 11:50.44 | themill | !wayttd yacc |
| 11:50.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, yacc? |
| 11:50.48 | enouf | yang: are the correct locales installed? |
| 11:50.52 | yang | enouf: yes |
| 11:51.07 | yacc | enouf: yeah, but sid has an old version of abiword, and abiword claims that for Linux I'm supposed to get it from the distribution |
| 11:51.07 | enouf | yang: and you did dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 11:51.11 | yang | enouf: yes |
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| 11:51.39 | yacc | Basically I'm looking for somebody who has packaged abiword 2.6 ;) |
| 11:51.45 | enouf | yang: what's /etc/environment contain? |
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| 11:52.00 | themill | yacc: It's only been out for a week... give the DDs a chance! |
| 11:52.10 | yang | enouf: i just have package locales not locales-all and Using US_en_UTF8 |
| 11:52.20 | enouf | yang: my LC_ALL= is blank here -- do you have other mirrors in sources.list ? |
| 11:52.43 | enouf | yang: tried localepurge pkg? |
| 11:52.46 | yacc | themill: oh ;) Good timing for my interest <= but I have only limited fun in considering python-uno for doing my automatic edits. |
| 11:52.48 | yang | i dont have /etc/env* |
| 11:52.53 | PiousMinion | themill: Any ideas on my problem? |
| 11:52.55 | enouf | since you seem to not want all the extraneous locales |
| 11:52.56 | yacc | And AbiCommand in 2.4 is useless :( |
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| 11:53.24 | enouf | yang: cat /proc/version please |
| 11:54.14 | yang | Linux version 2.6.24-1-686 (Debian 2.6.24-4) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080114 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-19)) #1 SMP Mon Feb 11 14:37:45 UTC 2008 |
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| 11:55.42 | themill | PiousMinion: don't use the regex to install them... the regex is matching ugly and doc too (look at lines 17 to 20 of your pastebin) |
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| 11:56.32 | themill | yacc: Consider filing a wishlist bug against abiword requesting packaging of the new version. |
| 11:57.18 | PiousMinion | themill: I know it's matching them. I'm asking what the correct way of doing this with a regexp is. I'd rather spend an hour to learn the right way than take 1 minute to type it out. |
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| 12:01.26 | themill | PiousMinion: fair enough... So your real question is about apt-get regexps... (and a different person would probably have answered not me...) |
| 12:01.43 | PiousMinion | oh ok. hehe |
| 12:01.53 | themill | PiousMinion: But if you add a $ to the end of the regexp, then it matches the end of the package name and will prevent those. |
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| 12:02.05 | themill | PiousMinion: e.g. apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-'(good|bad|ugly)$' |
| 12:02.12 | PiousMinion | hmm |
| 12:02.29 | yacc | themill: it's not as bad, oowriter is already loading the document that needs patching. |
| 12:02.31 | yacc | :) |
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| 12:07.42 | visof | hello |
| 12:07.59 | visof | how can i mount fat32 partitions from debian ? |
| 12:08.51 | PiousMinion | visof: mount -t fat /dev/device /mnt/path |
| 12:09.58 | visof | fdisk -l for showing partitions don't work |
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| 12:10.07 | visof | what should i do ? |
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| 12:11.23 | PiousMinion | visof: What does "fdisk -l" show? |
| 12:11.46 | nufun | enouf: sorry, but I think I did it right.. btw I still get this error /var/lib/dpkg/info/notification-daemon.postinst: line 12: gconf-schemas: command not found |
| 12:11.46 | visof | command not found |
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| 12:12.38 | muszek | hi |
| 12:12.52 | PiousMinion | visof: you need to be root or use sudo to use fdisk |
| 12:12.59 | visof | ok |
| 12:13.19 | enouf | nufun: someone asked you to paste entire error, but you can likely get around that one issue, by placing 'exit 0' just after the shebang in that file |
| 12:13.29 | visof | PiousMinion ts working now |
| 12:13.30 | visof | thanks man |
| 12:13.32 | enouf | nufun: though that's really not the right way |
| 12:13.45 | muszek | I want to "try" to install bzr 1.3 (from sid's repository) on my sarge box (currently have 1.1 from backports). is it possible to "dry" install it, just to see if there would be any errors (and not write anything)? |
| 12:13.50 | intx | what's the default inetd package for debian? |
| 12:14.10 | muszek | I'm looking at man dpkg and can't see anything |
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| 12:14.20 | PiousMinion | visof: any time. :) |
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| 12:14.43 | gasbag | how does jackd get automatically forked when i run audacity? |
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| 12:14.56 | intx | anyone? :( |
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| 12:15.17 | intx | can someone on debian type dpkg -l | grep inetd for me please? |
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| 12:15.27 | cvn | hi i've just installed tcl8.5 into the system, how do i uninstall it? |
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| 12:15.41 | intx | cvn: using a package or manually? |
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| 12:15.54 | cvn | manually |
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| 12:16.44 | br1 | cvn: "make uninstall" in the TCL source directory ? |
| 12:16.53 | opensrcguru | intx: http://pastebin.com/m226756f7 |
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| 12:16.58 | visof | PiousMinion how can i mount them automatic ? |
| 12:17.10 | visof | add them to fstab ? |
| 12:17.15 | PiousMinion | correct |
| 12:17.16 | cvn | make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'. Stop. |
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| 12:17.20 | intx | opensrcguru: much thanks |
| 12:17.25 | visof | if yes where can i find fstab ? |
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| 12:17.57 | PiousMinion | visof: /etc/fstab use the other entries as an example and make sure there is an empty line at the end of the file. |
| 12:18.15 | visof | okay |
| 12:18.45 | br1 | cvn: a shame .. there might be some other Makefile target to remove stuff, but no guarantee such functionality is present .. |
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| 12:19.42 | br1 | cvn: there are some other tricks, like doing "make install" again through a program which records all changes made by that command .. the results from that program can then be used to remove those files from your system again. Can't remember what that app is called, though .. |
| 12:20.41 | br1 | cvn: all in all, doing a "manual install" is not recommended .. either install to a directory you can safely delete, or make a .deb package out of it .. "checkinstall" is a nice one for that, but for some reason it is not in stable .. |
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| 12:23.58 | cvn | how do i list a list of installed pkg? |
| 12:24.08 | br1 | cvn: "dpkg -l" |
| 12:25.10 | cvn | how do i uninstall a pkg? |
| 12:25.45 | hark | !tell cvn about grounding |
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| 12:26.46 | cvn | hmm okay i got it removed |
| 12:26.54 | br1 | cvn: "aptitude remove <pkg>" or "aptitude pure <pkg>" if you want to get rid of configuration files also .. |
| 12:26.57 | cvn | wasnt a debian user but trying it now =\ |
| 12:27.06 | br1 | s/pure/purge/ |
| 12:27.17 | Dabian | How do I setup exim to use SSL and authorisation for a smarthost? |
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| 12:27.40 | yang | !tell cvn about newbiedoc |
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| 12:28.06 | Dabian | \!tell yang about yin |
| 12:28.06 | cvn | yang ;) |
| 12:28.21 | cvn | \!tell Dabian to go toilet |
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| 12:28.46 | Dabian | !tell yang about yin |
| 12:28.54 | cvn | lol |
| 12:29.35 | Dabian | !tell cvn to keep quiet. |
| 12:29.45 | cvn | :p |
| 12:29.46 | liable | !beat Dabian |
| 12:29.47 | dpkg | beats Dabian with a large stick. |
| 12:29.51 | cvn | do you know what's dabian? |
| 12:29.57 | PiousMinion | !tell Dabian to stop using !tell |
| 12:30.13 | Dabian | !kill liable |
| 12:30.13 | dpkg | mangles liable with a Knoppix CD |
| 12:30.21 | paxcoder | !beat me |
| 12:30.21 | dpkg | beats paxcoder with a large stick. |
| 12:30.22 | PiousMinion | heh |
| 12:30.30 | paxcoder | okaaay |
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| 12:31.05 | Dabian | Tell me, how do I setup exim to use SSL and authorisation for a smarthost? |
| 12:31.08 | hark | Dabian: http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.etch.html |
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| 12:31.17 | Dabian | Thanks, hark. |
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| 12:32.12 | Dabian | hark: Are you saying that Exim only supports TLS, and not SSL? |
| 12:32.45 | hark | Dabian: what? |
| 12:32.46 | Dabian | oh wai |
| 12:32.47 | Dabian | t |
| 12:32.53 | Dabian | 2.2.1 |
| 12:33.04 | Dabian | but what if I dont have TLS, but only SSL? |
| 12:33.56 | hark | you lose |
| 12:35.04 | mquin | Dabian: TLS==SSL (more or less). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Sockets_Layer |
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| 12:36.06 | Dabian | Thanks mquin and hark |
| 12:37.30 | testerr1 | hey what GTK them is this http://alternativenayk.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/bluefish.png ? |
| 12:38.35 | paxcoder | looks pretty KDE-ish to me. so I wouldn't know |
| 12:39.27 | paxcoder | !microsoft |
| 12:39.27 | dpkg | from memory, microsoft is a software company based in the USA, maker of Microsoft Windows. see http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
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| 12:41.09 | Dabian | Death to Microsoft, death to all bugs! |
| 12:41.33 | paxcoder | down with proprietary software |
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| 12:42.06 | aspect | How do I create Release.gpg? I'm trying to install a box without internet access, using as a repository a local machine with etch dvd1 exported via http |
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| 12:42.22 | paxcoder | AFK |
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| 12:42.54 | aspect | alternatively, how do I create a local debian repository out of a set of DVDs? |
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| 12:44.16 | liable | lots of klines.. |
| 12:44.53 | Dabian | Ehehehe!? |
| 12:44.58 | Dabian | :) :) :) |
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| 12:46.50 | Dabian | What do I set MAIN_TLS_ENABLE to? The manual doesn't seem to have any suggestions? |
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| 12:47.31 | Dabian | Would "MAIN_TLS_ENABLE = potatoes" work? |
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| 12:47.53 | vinboy | hi |
| 12:47.53 | Dabian | Well, I guess I can try, if you guys dont remember :) |
| 12:47.57 | vinboy | is the installer any good? |
| 12:48.01 | Dabian | Hi vinboy |
| 12:48.13 | Dabian | vinboy: A real vintage. :) |
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| 12:49.26 | vinboy | ok |
| 12:49.32 | vinboy | maybe i will give it a try |
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| 12:52.14 | vinboy | what is the difference between IA-64 and AMD64? |
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| 12:52.36 | nufun | enouf: I solved by myself.. I think it would be enoght for you to tell me to try to reinstall the (supposed) missing package (it wasn't, but I dont' know why debian thought so..).. btw everything is fine now.. |
| 12:53.28 | aspect | I'm trying to install using the businesscard iso, on a box that can't get internet access but has a local server with copies of the DVDs online. It's complaining about missing Release.gpg: what I can I do to get around this? |
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| 12:54.13 | Rienzilla | hmm |
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| 12:54.48 | Rienzilla | is there a nifty trick to quickly build a debian package of a tree with some dependencies, without the need to write complete rules and dialogs and stuff? |
| 12:55.07 | Rienzilla | (or a template package tree or something) |
| 12:55.38 | enouf | nufun: yeah, well we needed to see your entire output and command to ascertain better - also apt-get install -f is another option |
| 12:55.58 | nufun | enouf: I'm not so newbie... |
| 12:56.16 | nufun | enouf: if I came here is beacouse I already tried everything.. |
| 12:56.32 | nufun | enouf: (well not everything) |
| 12:56.34 | enouf | nufun: then why not pastebin for us? |
| 12:57.08 | nufun | enouf: cause 75% of error was in italian... |
| 12:57.10 | enouf | nufun: and, what i told you would work ;-) |
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| 12:57.19 | enouf | nufun: LANG=C command .... |
| 12:57.22 | vedant | hi |
| 12:57.23 | enouf | all english ;-) |
| 12:57.40 | nufun | enouf: ok... you see? I learned something new! |
| 12:57.46 | enouf | nufun: ;-) |
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| 12:58.02 | nufun | next time i'll do it! :) |
| 12:58.10 | vedant | i am trying to setup a RAID array for the first time using the Software-RAID HOWTO, but I can't find a replacement for mkraid |
| 12:58.13 | enouf | !beer nufun |
| 12:58.13 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for nufun |
| 12:58.32 | enouf | isn't mkraid deprecated? |
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| 12:58.43 | nufun | btw I've tried apt-get - install and even dpkg --configure -a and nothing worked |
| 12:58.48 | nufun | -f |
| 12:58.53 | enouf | vedant: /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* |
| 12:59.12 | enouf | vedant: man mdadm{.conf} |
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| 12:59.44 | enouf | nufun: i meant the exit 0 trick would've worked |
| 12:59.58 | nufun | I think gconf.schemas was not where ap-get was looking for.. |
| 13:00.10 | vinboy | what is the difference between IA-64 and AMD64? |
| 13:00.11 | enouf | likely, no matter |
| 13:00.18 | enouf | !ia64 |
| 13:00.19 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. see http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64 |
| 13:00.27 | enouf | you don't want ia64 |
| 13:00.35 | nufun | ehm.. sorry.. exit 0? it means? |
| 13:00.53 | enouf | nufun: next time, if needed ;-) |
| 13:01.21 | vinboy | thanks enouf |
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| 13:01.28 | fairway1 | hi |
| 13:01.35 | fairway1 | is there addon plus for f3 beta5? |
| 13:01.35 | enouf | np |
| 13:01.45 | jugosimi | I am trying to mount a CD-ROM but debian 3.0 (2.2.20) doesn't recognize scd0 w/ ide_cs loaded |
| 13:01.55 | enouf | !woody |
| 13:01.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge". Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30. Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISO-s are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/. Ask me about <archive>. |
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| 13:02.00 | xnor | is modsecurity availiable in some packet via apt? |
| 13:02.08 | enouf | pcmcia? |
| 13:02.18 | enouf | ide_cs? |
| 13:02.33 | enouf | xnor: for apache? |
| 13:02.35 | jugosimi | yes, pcmcia, ide_cs |
| 13:02.36 | vinboy | is it easy to move from stable to testing branch? |
| 13:02.52 | xnor | enouf: apache2 |
| 13:02.57 | enouf | xnor: apt-cache search libapache | grep mod |
| 13:03.00 | enouf | xnor: apt-cache search libapache2 | grep mod |
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| 13:03.16 | enouf | !tell xnor -about search |
| 13:03.22 | Dabian | Would "MAIN_TLS_ENABLE = potatoes" work? |
| 13:04.12 | enouf | jugosimi: er, i recall only pcmcia-cs was it? as a tools pkg? now it's pcmciautils or something |
| 13:04.15 | idimmu | Dabian: MAIN_TLS_ENABLE = true |
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| 13:04.17 | idimmu | maybe |
| 13:04.20 | idimmu | is doing the same thing |
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| 13:04.47 | Dabian | idimmu: True, true, "True" or "true" ? |
| 13:04.48 | enouf | jugosimi: might you also need yenta and pcmcia modules loaded? |
| 13:05.02 | enouf | !pcmcia |
| 13:05.02 | idimmu | i doubt it matters |
| 13:05.02 | dpkg | PCMCIA is a hardware expansion technology for laptop computers. It stands for, "People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms". Ask me about <pcmcia cards>. Okay, okay, the real acronym can be found on wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCMCIA Communication is similar to PCI or ISA, but a PCMCIA or CardBus bridge has a credit-card-sized form factor, and many cards are hot-pluggable. |
| 13:05.08 | idimmu | potatos would probably work too |
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| 13:05.18 | enouf | !pcmciautils |
| 13:05.19 | idimmu | if you look in the other scripts it just checks to see if that macro exists |
| 13:05.22 | vedant | mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda /dev/sdb gives mdadm: failed to create /dev/md0 |
| 13:05.22 | idimmu | not what it's set to |
| 13:05.28 | xnor | enouf: I know how to search but often i get so many results |
| 13:05.55 | jugosimi | enouf: hm, pcmcia_core [ide_cs ds i82365] is loaded and my card recognized by cardctl also, still... |
| 13:07.06 | aspect | quick question: can anyone hear me? It'd be nice to hear an "I don't know" or even "your question is malformed" |
| 13:07.37 | idimmu | puts aspect on ignore |
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| 13:07.59 | aspect | idimmu: thanks |
| 13:08.02 | enouf | jugosimi: what's the exact command and error? |
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| 13:08.25 | idimmu | np :) |
| 13:08.27 | enouf | xnor: yes, but apt-file info is also very useful |
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| 13:09.13 | enouf | xnor: and yes, the details are in <reference> and <apt howto> how to make better searches, and also the man pages |
| 13:09.26 | enouf | it can be tricky at 1st sure |
| 13:09.48 | jugosimi | enouf: kernel doesn't recognize /dev/scd0 as a valid block device |
| 13:10.01 | my007ms | i need to install realplayer is there ready deb file > |
| 13:10.09 | enouf | jugosimi: dmesg | grep scd0? |
| 13:10.13 | enouf | jugosimi: dmesg | grep scd0 |
| 13:10.58 | jugosimi | no output |
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| 13:11.06 | enouf | jugosimi: dmesg | grep sr0 .. old names were something else .. er modprove sr_mod and scsi_mod maybe |
| 13:11.21 | enouf | so why do yoou think it's scd0 ? |
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| 13:13.24 | jugosimi | nnouf: the pcmcia/scsi script probes sr for CD-ROM, the first CD-ROM on scsi is scd0 says PCMCIA_HOWTO |
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| 13:14.25 | jugosimi | enouf: I think, it's the scsi script, I don't get to work properly. |
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| 13:14.42 | enouf | why are you using 3.0 ? |
| 13:14.53 | fairway1 | because its sexy |
| 13:15.01 | enouf | ls -l /dev/scd0 |
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| 13:15.36 | jugosimi | because my regular atapi drive failed, this laptop doesn't have ethernet, so I installed 3.0 via floppies |
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| 13:16.07 | enouf | 40MB ram total? |
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| 13:16.31 | jugosimi | even 70 |
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| 13:16.41 | enouf | so install etch ;-) |
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| 13:17.00 | jugosimi | what where how |
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| 13:17.06 | enouf | !ig |
| 13:17.06 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 13:17.18 | jugosimi | ah |
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| 13:17.46 | fairway1 | is there addon plus for firefox 3 beta5? |
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| 13:20.40 | hark | fairway1: what's "addon plus"? |
| 13:22.07 | idimmu | Dabian: |
| 13:22.10 | idimmu | root@southwark:/etc/exim4# cat exim4.conf.localmacros |
| 13:22.10 | idimmu | MAIN_TLS_ENABLE = true |
| 13:22.17 | idimmu | that got me TLS working with exim |
| 13:22.20 | idimmu | happy |
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| 13:22.30 | idimmu | still doesnt get to go home for another 4 hours |
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| 13:22.33 | idimmu | not that happy |
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| 13:22.52 | Dabian | idimmu: Thanks! :) |
| 13:23.12 | idimmu | np |
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| 13:24.00 | EEap | Hi, I've installed Debian lenny and after doing a safe-upgrade, my lilo is showing me this error Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/sda") , does anybody knows what it is? |
| 13:24.03 | jugosimi | enouf: thnx for the advice, I'll check on that thoroughly and you think "etch" recognizes pcmcia devices just like that...? |
| 13:24.40 | enouf | jugosimi: well, i hope so ;-) read the ig .. /msg dpkg dbse perhaps as well |
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| 13:25.18 | enouf | jugosimi: oh also, /msg dpkg laptop |
| 13:25.36 | Heavy-D | Hey guys, quick question. If I were to delete Squid's store.log log when Squid is stopped would it automatically create the file again? |
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| 13:26.27 | jugosimi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:27.28 | jugosimi | yes, now finally :) - I subscribed to debian-laptop |
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| 13:28.29 | enouf | jugosimi: did you get a message in private message from [dpkg] ? |
| 13:28.43 | enouf | jugosimi: one more avenue to look around at i guess http://wiki.debian.org/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=pcmcia&fullsearch=Text |
| 13:28.58 | Deezire | http://pastebin.com/m1daa098c, is this decent output from bonnei++? |
| 13:29.46 | enouf | EEap: did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 13:30.18 | enouf | EEap: you're supposed to rerun lilo prior to rebooting into newer kernel |
| 13:30.26 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 13:30.35 | jugosimi | enouf: I now have lots of opportunities to choose from ... |
| 13:30.43 | EEap | enouf, I upgraded the kernel |
| 13:30.46 | enouf | jugosimi: ok |
| 13:30.56 | enouf | \o/ |
| 13:31.25 | EEap | enouf, but, I rebooted the machine and then "Kernel panic" |
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| 13:31.44 | EEap | enouf, now I'm under chroot trying to fix it |
| 13:31.45 | enouf | EEap: you could try dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-NEW-KERNEL-version |
| 13:32.00 | EEap | enouf, let me try this |
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| 13:34.12 | yuan | I install the official driver of ati, however when I use ctrl+atl+Fx, the screen turn mass. Can someone give help me? |
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| 13:35.44 | EEap | enouf, I tried dpkg-reconfigure, but I still get the raid_setup error |
| 13:35.48 | PiousMinion | turns mass? |
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| 13:37.07 | enouf | EEap: something to do with updating LiLo ? |
| 13:37.27 | yuan | PiousMinion: I mean the screen keep blinking |
| 13:37.41 | EEap | enouf, what do you mean? |
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| 13:38.51 | enouf | EEap: you said the error was from lilo |
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| 13:39.14 | enouf | what do you mean? |
| 13:40.08 | enouf | yuan: cat /proc/cmdline |
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| 13:41.01 | EEap | enouf, my errors was from lilo, its saying that Fatal: raid_setup("/dev/sda") ...and I donno why this...I'm searching everywhere.. |
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| 13:41.20 | yuan | enouf: root=/dev/hda2 ro |
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| 13:41.54 | enouf | EEap: did you rerun LiLo prior to rebooting into new kernel? if not, perhaps you need to now reinstall lilo |
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| 13:42.04 | enouf | yuan: ok, it's not what i thought |
| 13:42.09 | Strogg | Does anyone know of a console-only live CD based of debian that'd be good for network troubleshooting? |
| 13:43.03 | enouf | yuan: grep vesafb /etc/modules, and lsmod | grep vesa , and lshal | grep driver | grep vesafb |
| 13:43.22 | yuan | enouf: I can easily switch from X to console use ctrl+alt+fx, it dose not work when I installed the driver |
| 13:43.23 | enouf | Strogg: grml.org/faq |
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| 13:44.13 | enouf | Strogg: any cd can boot into 1 / single though |
| 13:44.17 | enouf | basically |
| 13:44.29 | DanDare | Hello there, im using Debian Etch, where i can find on system the standart file containing the aliases for nodes on a computer network... Sorry if im not clear but something like the file 'host' in (cough) windows |
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| 13:44.44 | Strogg | that looks awesome.. I'll give it a shot |
| 13:44.44 | enouf | do /msg dpkg livecd (is it?) |
| 13:44.47 | stew | DanDare: /etc/hosts ? (man 5 hosts) |
| 13:44.47 | DanDare | *file 'hosts' |
| 13:45.11 | DanDare | stew yeah? thanks ! |
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| 13:46.13 | Joelio | hey guys, I'm running Lenny and I've just installed and configured Compiz.. when ever I start a nwe window (e.g. a term) it's blank.. not black |
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| 13:46.30 | PiousMinion | white? |
| 13:47.19 | enouf | did you start compiz with the --replace option? or whatever it is? |
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| 13:47.34 | enouf | to replace your current running WM |
| 13:47.39 | yuan | enouf: None of them works ... |
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| 13:47.41 | fairway1 | hark: a firefox extension |
| 13:48.03 | enouf | yuan: none of the commands i asked for? if not how are they not work |
| 13:48.15 | enouf | s/work/working |
| 13:48.24 | PiousMinion | fairway1: ? |
| 13:48.43 | enouf | yuan: maybe they returned nothing? |
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| 13:48.59 | yuan | enouf: yes, nothing echo |
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| 13:49.14 | hark | fairway1: what does it do? |
| 13:49.19 | DanDare | The file 'hosts' is by default automaticaly changed if i get the IP dinamicaly from DHCP, this defined in my /etc/network ? |
| 13:50.14 | stew | DanDare: no hosts doesn't get changed unless you change it |
| 13:50.15 | DanDare | maybe not... because i have one unrelated IP in hosts |
| 13:50.20 | DanDare | ok |
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| 13:52.02 | hark | fairway1: did you mean adblock plus? :) |
| 13:52.11 | DanDare | besides localhost i have another: '201.195.0.144 MinasAmbiente.minasambiente MinasAmbiente' in hosts but i dont remember adding it.... this minasambiente is the host where debian is installed, any clue ? |
| 13:52.32 | yuan | enouf: if I edit the xorg.cong with "driver ati", ctrl+alt+fx works fine. But it dosen't work with "fglrx" |
| 13:52.45 | DanDare | and 201.195.0.144 looks like internet external IP |
| 13:53.49 | enouf | yuan: sorry, i really don't know at this point |
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| 13:54.01 | hark | yuan: which graphics card is it? |
| 13:54.05 | enouf | !fglrx |
| 13:54.06 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati> |
| 13:54.11 | yuan | enouf: Thank you all the same ^_^ |
| 13:54.33 | milligan_ | Is changing from GNOME to XFCE going to save me a lot of space and improve performance ? |
| 13:54.41 | enouf | yuan: also, as hark is asking lspci | grep VGA |
| 13:54.42 | yuan | hark: ati xpress 200M |
| 13:54.52 | Mundus | I have this really funny problem, audio only works as root |
| 13:55.14 | yuan | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) |
| 13:55.17 | DanDare | Mundus, sounds like permission issue |
| 13:55.24 | sdiz | Mundus: add yourself to audio group |
| 13:55.26 | enouf | Mundus: does 'groups' show your user in audio group? |
| 13:55.27 | abrotman | Mundus: is your user in the audio group? |
| 13:55.32 | Mundus | abrotman: Yes |
| 13:55.40 | enouf | how about cdrom? |
| 13:55.56 | abrotman | Mundus: did you logout/login after adding yourself to the group ? |
| 13:55.57 | enouf | plugdev? depends on device i guess? |
| 13:56.00 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 13:56.01 | dpkg | well, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
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| 13:56.07 | MolePrince | Debian Etch. When I plug my cardbus usb adapter in and plug a usb device into it, I see this in dmesg. Any ideas please? usb 3-1: device not accepting address 8, error -110 |
| 13:56.27 | mick_home | hi everyone, this isn't really a debian related question - but kind of is... I'd like to have 2 hosts on different VLANs connect to one another - how do I make this happen? Do I merely just add a route? |
| 13:56.32 | Mundus | abrotman: Yes |
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| 13:56.48 | enouf | MolePrince: run udevmonitor as root and do it, get more messages |
| 13:56.48 | Mundus | Err.... groups only shows me in one group |
| 13:56.57 | enouf | bingo |
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| 13:57.23 | Mundus | But /etc/group has audio :x:username:29 |
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| 13:57.40 | enouf | MolePrince: i guess use pcmciautils to make sure that's all workung correctly 1st |
| 13:58.06 | MolePrince | enouf: udevmonitor shows nothing output when I plug in. |
| 13:58.18 | enouf | yikes |
| 13:58.40 | themill | !blame udev |
| 13:58.41 | dpkg | blames berzerka and udev for all the evil in the world |
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| 13:59.19 | MolePrince | enouf: pccardctl ident shows a 3.3v 32-bit pc card in socket 0 but info shows no product info available. |
| 13:59.26 | hark | Mundus: run "speaker-test" What's the output? |
| 13:59.26 | hark | yuan: the radeon driver supports your card, but it seems to be 2d only |
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| 13:59.51 | enouf | MolePrince: run update-pciids ? |
| 14:00.08 | tudon | how can i get a colored boot text messages . like failed in red . (im not tallking graphical boot splash) |
| 14:00.26 | MolePrince | enouf: Still no info shown. |
| 14:00.46 | enouf | MolePrince: lsmod | grep pcmcia ? |
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| 14:01.21 | MolePrince | enouf: shows pcmcia, firmware_class, pcmcia_core |
| 14:01.39 | MolePrince | As sued by orinoco_cs, hostap_cs,pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic |
| 14:02.01 | yuan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:03.26 | Mundus | I found out, the /etc/group file wasn't configured correct |
| 14:04.00 | yuan | hark: the only problem is I can not close X with ctrl+alt+backspace, I really need it sometimes... |
| 14:04.46 | tudon | nvm i found how |
| 14:04.58 | hark | yuan: with the radeon driver? |
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| 14:05.46 | yuan | hark: the radeon driver is work fine, however it can not use googlearth. |
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| 14:06.37 | Phenomene06 | hi all |
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| 14:07.29 | Phenomene06 | I search mod_php.so for debian apache2, where Can I download it ? |
| 14:08.12 | Dabian | Whats the bot called? |
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| 14:08.20 | Dabian | dpkg, download apache |
| 14:08.41 | liable | dpkg: irritate Dabian |
| 14:08.41 | dpkg | Dabian: hi every1 who uses kde plz msg me, kokotX |
| 14:08.42 | Dabian | apt apt-cache search mod_php.so |
| 14:08.45 | azeem | Dabian: the bot doesn't have the answer to all trivial questions |
| 14:08.50 | Phenomene06 | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 14:08.52 | mbroeker | Phenomene06, libapache-mod-php5 |
| 14:08.54 | Phenomene06 | I have this error |
| 14:08.55 | Dabian | azeem: We can fix that. |
| 14:08.56 | azeem | Dabian: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:08.57 | Phenomene06 | with apt |
| 14:09.04 | PiousMinion | Phenomene06: libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 14:09.08 | liable | Phenomene06: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 14:09.14 | azeem | Dabian: no, we hope users read the basic information instead |
| 14:09.20 | yuan | hark: thank your help. I will reboot my computer :-P |
| 14:09.31 | Dabian | azeem: Are you ever disappointed? |
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| 14:09.49 | Dabian | azeem: In that regard. |
| 14:09.52 | azeem | Dabian: do you have a Debian question? |
| 14:10.05 | Dabian | azeem: I have lot of them. :) |
| 14:10.20 | azeem | then maybe ask those rather than trying to start a meta-discussion here |
| 14:10.56 | Dabian | azeem: Are you suggesting I join #Debian-offtopic? |
| 14:11.24 | azeem | I suggest you ask on-topic question or join #debian-offtopic, yes |
| 14:11.45 | Phenomene06 | how can I say to apt to use the file /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 14:11.46 | Phenomene06 | ? |
| 14:11.50 | Dabian | azeem: OK, thanks for the reminder then. :) |
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| 14:12.10 | enouf | !apt.conf |
| 14:12.11 | dpkg | well, apt.conf is see man 5 apt.conf |
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| 14:16.01 | smica | uptime |
| 14:16.14 | Dabian | downtime |
| 14:16.25 | Dabian | leaves before he starts making stupid jokes again. |
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| 14:19.52 | pif | hi, how does one get java-plugin support under sid ? sun-java6-jre is not installable... |
| 14:21.05 | efaistos_ | do you know if a livecd exist with mondo on it ? |
| 14:21.20 | stew | pif: what happens when you try to install it? |
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| 14:21.22 | hark | pif: it's currently broken in sid. check the bts |
| 14:21.32 | stew | nm then |
| 14:21.38 | tudon | is there still no java icedtea for sid? |
| 14:21.57 | pif | hark: I'm looking at the BTS now, with no obvious solution, apparently |
| 14:21.57 | stew | last i looked icedtea was not legally distributable |
| 14:21.57 | themill | tudon: siyh |
| 14:22.08 | Oe_eden | why in etch with en_US.utf8 is my aptitude screen still messy with weird characters |
| 14:22.14 | stew | but i haven't looked in a while |
| 14:22.23 | themill | Oe_eden: because you're not using a good unicode font |
| 14:22.27 | tudon | i ones tried the ubuntu icedtea it works but some dependancies may conflict maybe |
| 14:22.29 | stew | Oe_eden: you are using a terminal without line drawing fonts |
| 14:22.36 | tudon | on sid |
| 14:22.46 | hark | Oe_eden: putty? |
| 14:22.52 | Oe_eden | hark: yes |
| 14:23.01 | Oe_eden | fonts are new to me |
| 14:23.11 | themill | pif: grab the package out of lenny then, or an older one of snapshots |
| 14:23.23 | pif | themill: yep, will do, thx |
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| 14:25.04 | hark | Oe_eden: you have to set the encoding to UTF-8. somewhere in the preferences on the left; have a look |
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| 14:25.31 | stew | tudon: http://lists.debian.org/debian-java/2008/03/msg00069.html |
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| 14:25.57 | Oe_eden | hark: wow! didnt know it was this easy... |
| 14:26.17 | tudon | tnx stew |
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| 14:27.08 | Oe_eden | hark: thx alot! |
| 14:27.24 | hark | Oe_eden: heh, np |
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| 14:28.31 | UrsoBranco | hi all, where can I find where should I put some java frameworks when building a package? Actually I'm doing internal stuff, just to my company, but I want to do "right thing" |
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| 14:29.23 | stew | UrsoBranco: what do you mean? by package you mean debian package? |
| 14:29.39 | UrsoBranco | stew: yes, I'm doing a package |
| 14:29.49 | UrsoBranco | that will be used internally |
| 14:30.05 | stew | UrsoBranco: and by frameworks, you mean .jars basically? |
| 14:30.05 | UrsoBranco | I'm building an entire environment to mobile programming |
| 14:30.13 | UrsoBranco | to do |
| 14:30.20 | UrsoBranco | stew: some jars |
| 14:30.33 | stew | UrsoBranco: jars would go in /usr/share/java. what else? |
| 14:30.39 | stew | UrsoBranco: you might want to read the debian java policy |
| 14:30.41 | UrsoBranco | and I'll have some apps too |
| 14:30.59 | UrsoBranco | stew: I think so, where can I found it ? |
| 14:31.13 | stew | UrsoBranco: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/java-policy/ |
| 14:31.21 | UrsoBranco | many thanks |
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| 14:32.32 | Phenomene06 | can install mod_php.so without apt-get ? |
| 14:32.43 | azeem | Phenomene06: you shouldn't |
| 14:32.57 | Phenomene06 | i have install apache2 without apt-get.. |
| 14:32.59 | Phenomene06 | so... |
| 14:33.04 | azeem | Phenomene06: why? |
| 14:33.20 | azeem | Phenomene06: if you do that, I assume you know what you're doing and can do whatever else as well |
| 14:33.22 | azeem | so no need asking us |
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| 14:33.41 | Phenomene06 | It's not me |
| 14:33.48 | Phenomene06 | It's my brother |
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| 14:34.02 | azeem | well, then what I said above applies to your brother |
| 14:34.09 | Phenomene06 | lol |
| 14:34.19 | Phenomene06 | ok thanks for your help |
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| 14:37.40 | n3kl | Is there a way to audit who is accessing nfs share from what ip? |
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| 14:44.12 | intinno | #flod |
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| 14:54.16 | Haris1 | Hello people |
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| 14:54.55 | Haris1 | I'v noticed a bug in squid3. The problem I (hopefully) was having with it -> stopped accepting connections at random times |
| 14:55.08 | Haris1 | How do I report it to debian package maintainers? |
| 14:55.13 | Haris1 | ah, I know how to do that |
| 14:55.44 | Haris1 | Has anyonme else seen that problem in debian's squid3 implementation? I'v not yet built squid 3 from its squid's tar, so I'm not sure about it yet |
| 14:56.33 | Haris1 | ..also, how do I grab the squid 2.6.x src deb, so I can manually rebuild it with a higher FD limit? |
| 14:56.33 | sdiz | Haris1: never see this bug here. |
| 14:56.54 | Haris1 | it only comes with 1024 FDs o_O |
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| 14:57.35 | sdiz | Haris1: are you sure this is squid problem, not /etc/security/limits.conf ? |
| 14:58.14 | Haris1 | sdiz: I have the default, out of the box limits.conf. In fact I don't think I had one, untill I manually created one on etch er2 |
| 14:58.19 | Haris1 | r2+ |
| 14:58.20 | sdiz | http://packages.debian.org/sid/squid , you can find the source tar ball / path on the right |
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| 14:58.52 | Haris1 | what should I check for in limits.conf? |
| 14:58.59 | Haris1 | number of simultaneous connections? |
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| 14:59.11 | engla | I have a complex network problem, on a LAN which I do not admin. It has no dhcp, MAC filtering and static IP (NAT). I get disconnected randomly (so I might drop soon perhaps), but if I disconnect the cord from the wall jack and put back in I get router and internet connection back |
| 15:00.32 | engla | it is not debian specific but I don't understand what's happening or why reconnecting the wall jack is different from reconnecting the computer jack -- it must have to do with the router detecting new connections |
| 15:01.07 | petemc | see what it says in dmesg |
| 15:01.38 | sdiz | Haris1: the "nofile" line |
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| 15:02.32 | engla | dmesg tells me nothing except for eth0 down and up again when reconnecting the cord |
| 15:03.22 | Haris1 | so far limits.conf has no settings. Everything's commented out |
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| 15:03.33 | Haris1 | ..Everything's commented+ |
| 15:04.13 | Haris1 | I despise dhcpd for this behaviour |
| 15:04.27 | Haris1 | I got a static IP from the ISP for our corporate package, just to get rid of dhcpd |
| 15:04.42 | Haris1 | The lan card would continuously be going up/down in the logs |
| 15:04.51 | Haris1 | after every interval for dhcp ip renewal |
| 15:04.55 | petemc | why would dhcpD have anythign to do with that |
| 15:05.16 | snewp | i have updated my debian sid but numlock is messed up ... LED off .. numlock work, LED on numlock doesnt work |
| 15:05.32 | Haris1 | well |
| 15:05.45 | Haris1 | as soon as I got the static IP, I saw improvement in interface uptime |
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| 15:09.46 | Acxty | Hi guys. I have a pci serial card. The problem that it is not detected. I have the windows drivers, I already try modprobe parport_serial but still nothing, is there something else I can do? |
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| 15:10.26 | simonrvn | parport_serial is for PARallel PORT |
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| 15:11.24 | Acxty | simonrvn, the card have 1 parallel and 2 serial |
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| 15:11.52 | Acxty | simonrvn, do you know one for serial ports? |
| 15:11.56 | simonrvn | should've said so ;) |
| 15:12.10 | Acxty | hehe |
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| 15:14.40 | rahsputin | Hi stew |
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| 15:15.26 | cloakable | :D |
| 15:15.34 | rahsputin | i was here yesterday with the debian sarge lspci kernel 2.4 /2.6 toshiba satellite /99MHz/40MB RAM issue |
| 15:15.40 | ia64 | exit |
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| 15:16.18 | kie27 | Greetings all, I am trying to get wireless intel3945ABG working on my laptop, have install firmware-ipw3945 and ipw3945d, but it isn't recognised. More output at http://pastebin.com/d8ec277b. Any suggestions please? |
| 15:16.19 | rahsputin | stew: well i am tring out basiclinux at the moment and it runs with xvesa... and desktop ( jwm ) works |
| 15:16.29 | rahsputin | !xvesa |
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| 15:17.18 | rahsputin | still trying to get my orinoco pcmcia up |
| 15:17.25 | chell | hey |
| 15:17.27 | chell | got a problem |
| 15:17.34 | chell | I've downloaded a current netinst image for testing |
| 15:17.36 | simonrvn | Acxty: there should be one. try modprobe -l | grep serial and see if there's one built for that kernel |
| 15:17.37 | chell | gone through partitioning |
| 15:17.46 | themill | !tell kie27 about ipw3945 |
| 15:17.48 | chell | but now it tells me that no installable kernel has been found |
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| 15:18.32 | simonrvn | was wondering when the klines would pop out ;) "thanks :)" |
| 15:18.32 | rahsputin | can i install xvesa to debian sarge and use it instead of xserver-xfree86 or xorg ? |
| 15:18.32 | chell | any ideas as to why this might be the case? |
| 15:18.32 | themill | kie27: if the modules package for your kernel doesn't exist, then you will need to compile it using module-assistant |
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| 15:19.56 | Acxty | simonrvn, This is what lspci -vv output http://dpaste.com/42925/ |
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| 15:20.12 | chell | any idea if I can fix the "no installable kernel found" error? |
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| 15:20.26 | tahacalypse | hi all |
| 15:20.27 | azeem | chell: which version of Debian? |
| 15:20.33 | chell | azeem: lenny - testing |
| 15:20.41 | azeem | chell: when does this error occur? |
| 15:20.50 | chell | azeem: right after it finished partitioning |
| 15:21.06 | chell | during installation |
| 15:21.11 | azeem | chell: which installer are you using? The daily/weekly one or beta1? |
| 15:21.18 | chell | the daily/weekly netinstaller installer |
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| 15:22.25 | chell | azeem: any ideas on how I can fix that issue? |
| 15:22.39 | azeem | use beta1 |
| 15:22.43 | chell | ok |
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| 15:22.55 | kie27 | themill: thanks, will install the needed module with the module-assistant now |
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| 15:23.25 | chell | downloading the image now... |
| 15:23.37 | hetauma | hi how can I set my mouse so that I can use back and forward buttons ? |
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| 15:29.09 | Deezire | when installing apache via apt, will apt-get install apache install version 1.x? |
| 15:30.20 | Pryon | apt-cache show apache |
| 15:31.07 | stew | Deezire: yes, and apt-get install apache2 will install 2.2 |
| 15:31.32 | Deezire | Goodie, it was just that some apache2-packages came up as depencies. |
| 15:32.04 | stew | Deezire: yes, the -utils which are shared by both |
| 15:32.20 | stew | hetauma: you'd go to about:config and change "mousewheel" settings. you'll have to google for details |
| 15:32.45 | Deezire | aha |
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| 15:33.25 | stew | and at this point apache should really be considered legacy for with odd circumstances (or lazyness) preventing their upgrade to apache2 |
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| 15:33.42 | bk | when is the stuff in cron.daily run' |
| 15:33.42 | bk | ? |
| 15:34.02 | bk | obviosuly daily, but at what time? |
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| 15:34.23 | Phisbut | bk: check /etc/crontab |
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| 15:34.43 | Phisbut | mine says 02 4 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily, so it's everyday at 4.02 AM |
| 15:35.29 | bk | mine says 25 6.. Wich means 6 o clock but the 25.. istnt the first number the mounth? |
| 15:35.37 | idimmu | minutes |
| 15:35.39 | idimmu | 6:25 am |
| 15:35.40 | stew | bk: man 5 crontab |
| 15:35.42 | idimmu | same as mine |
| 15:35.57 | bk | ah.. mixed up the m's :D |
| 15:36.48 | Phisbut | crontab is minute-hour-dayofmonth-month-dayofweek |
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| 15:37.01 | bk | i always get it mixed up |
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| 15:37.13 | bique_a | hello |
| 15:37.17 | tahacalypse | teton |
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| 15:38.42 | alex12 | hello, im trying to mount a logvol drive, that was pulled from a RAID 1 setup, when im trying to do a mount -t ext3 .it comes up with bad fs time, and when i try a fsck.ext3 it says bad superblocks ..... any tips? |
| 15:39.15 | keith4 | alex12: software raid 1? |
| 15:39.29 | alex12 | hardware ... |
| 15:39.49 | keith4 | ha |
| 15:39.50 | alex12 | but even the raid device controller, tells me i should rebuild via software |
| 15:40.11 | keith4 | what exact mount command are you running? |
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| 15:40.29 | Acxty | hey guys where can find /proc/pci on debian etch? |
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| 15:40.43 | keith4 | /proc/bus/pci |
| 15:41.36 | Acxty | keith4, I already try there but pci is a folder with two more folders 00 and 06 and ther don't have anything inside |
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| 15:42.11 | keith4 | should be stuff in 00 |
| 15:42.19 | keith4 | unless you have an unusual group of hardware |
| 15:42.34 | keith4 | Acxty: what does 'lspci' show? |
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| 15:44.23 | Acxty | everything works fine, what I want to do is to configure this http://dpaste.com/42925/ |
| 15:44.24 | alex12 | keith4, mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc2 mike/ |
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| 15:45.37 | keith4 | alex12: pastebin 'fdisk -l /dev/sdc' |
| 15:45.43 | shad0w1e | how do I obtain a default snort.conf? I deleted it, and purging/reinstalling snort does not bring it back! thanks |
| 15:46.02 | keith4 | shad0w1e: it's a feature that it won't reinstall deleted files |
| 15:46.22 | shad0w1e | can I override it for a specific package? |
| 15:46.25 | keith4 | Acxty: should be in 06 then |
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| 15:46.39 | keith4 | shad0w1e: yes... hold on |
| 15:47.01 | XTZGZoReX | What would the apt-get be for installing curses/ncurses? |
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| 15:48.08 | cloakable | o.o |
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| 15:48.24 | alex12 | keith4, http://pastebin.com/m6bb61599 |
| 15:48.25 | liable | dont give up so easy.. |
| 15:48.26 | Acxty | keith4, I have two files on /proc/bus/pci/06 |
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| 15:48.34 | Acxty | 00.0 and 08.0 |
| 15:48.38 | XTZGZoReX | What would the apt-get be for installing curses/ncurses? |
| 15:48.47 | itchi | ban party? :-p |
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| 15:48.50 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:48.53 | keith4 | Acxty: 00.0 is your device |
| 15:48.55 | stew | XTZGZoReX: menuconfig? |
| 15:49.01 | liable | libncurses5-dev |
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| 15:49.02 | XTZGZoReX | stew: Correct |
| 15:49.03 | keith4 | note how your pastebin starts with 06:00.0 ? |
| 15:49.07 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what liable said |
| 15:49.11 | XTZGZoReX | Got it |
| 15:49.12 | XTZGZoReX | thanjs |
| 15:49.15 | XTZGZoReX | err |
| 15:49.19 | XTZGZoReX | make that thanks* |
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| 15:49.35 | Acxty | keith4, thanks I know the device, but what I don't know is how to configure it |
| 15:49.46 | XTZGZoReX | lolwut |
| 15:49.50 | XTZGZoReX | psyBNC config menu is funny |
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| 15:50.20 | keith4 | Acxty: ah... and what are you expecting to do, exactly? |
| 15:50.35 | Acxty | keith4, I want to connect a gprs modem to it |
| 15:50.48 | Acxty | the card has 1 Parallel port and 2 Serial |
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| 15:51.03 | keith4 | oh, wow |
| 15:51.13 | keith4 | what are you doing in /proc/bus/pci then? |
| 15:51.29 | keith4 | you need to look for serial devices in /dev |
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| 15:53.00 | Acxty | keith4, the installation guide says something of running more /proc/pci to get some data, but the output is completely different |
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| 15:53.33 | shashan1 | hi |
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| 15:53.41 | keith4 | Acxty: when was it written? 1997? |
| 15:54.03 | Acxty | keith4, hehe, I don't really know :) |
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| 15:54.13 | \amethyst | Acxty: the format of /proc/pci has changed a *lot* since that guide was written. Now it's designed to be machine-readable rather than human-readable |
| 15:54.16 | alex12 | keith4, mount -t ext3 /dev/sdc2 mike/ |
| 15:54.20 | alex12 | keith4, http://pastebin.com/m6bb61599 |
| 15:54.29 | \amethyst | Acxty: and humans are supposed to use lspci to parse the machine-readable data |
| 15:54.40 | Tailsfan | Hello, Is there a thing that allows Debian to be installed like Wubi |
| 15:54.45 | Tailsfan | on Windows |
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| 15:55.04 | Acxty | \amethyst, hehehe |
| 15:55.05 | shad0w1e | keith4, anything? |
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| 15:55.23 | shad0w1e | google is not being my friend today.. |
| 15:55.46 | zophy[] | how can i get xvidtune to work ? |
| 15:56.00 | Acxty | supposely, after getting that information I should run something similar to this setserial /dev/ttyS2 port 0xc000 UART 16550A irq 11 Baud_base 115200 |
| 15:56.02 | Tailsfan | because I have all three of Debian's DVDs and the last time I made a partition with my Windows Partition, it corrupted my Windows Install and had to reinstall Windows |
| 15:56.04 | masus | hi all , need to setup an network printer "Lexmark T-620" on debian with thisip 192.168.1.50 can anybody give me an startpoint |
| 15:56.41 | masus | withou window manager only console :/ |
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| 15:56.56 | shashan1 | I'm trying to restart my modem using telnet (my ISP requires that I restart modem to use the *free* usage hours). I use telnet to login to the modem (telnet 192.168.1.1) and then input my username password and type "system restart" to restart the modem. |
| 15:56.57 | shashan1 | I would like to make this a corntab job. How do I pass my username and password in a single command? |
| 15:57.13 | Acxty | but the information the is there doesn't appear in lspci |
| 15:57.37 | chell | shashan1: man telnet ? |
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| 15:58.04 | stew | Acxty: like what? |
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| 15:58.32 | shashan1 | chell: I read the manual, but I could not find a way to put my username and password in one command |
| 15:58.34 | Acxty | UART, Baud_base, port |
| 15:58.48 | drwahl | if i start a screen with 'screen -S test -d -m', how would i send a command like 'echo hello world' to that screen? i am having a hard time understanding the man page |
| 15:58.58 | chell | shashan1: can't you somehow write a bash script |
| 15:59.03 | chell | that will enter your password for you |
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| 15:59.05 | keith4 | shad0w1e: i just saw someone talking about this a few days ago, and i can't remember how to do it |
| 15:59.07 | chell | and then execute that script? |
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| 15:59.18 | Kosma | shashan1: use netcat |
| 15:59.23 | keith4 | alex12: notice how the partition type is set to LVM? |
| 15:59.25 | chops | shashan1: You may need to use expect, but something like 'echo "the_username\nthe_password\nsystem restart" | telnet modem' may work |
| 15:59.30 | shad0w1e | crap. I'm about to install snort on another debian box and grab the conf dir, which is really lame... |
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| 15:59.38 | \amethyst | shashan1: you'll probably need to use expect or something like that. You *might* be able to do ( echo username; echo password; echo "system restart" ) | telnet 192.168.1.1 but I'm not certain that will work |
| 16:00.07 | shashan1 | \amethyst: Trying it now |
| 16:00.20 | jussi | don de lion - Guns Of Navarone (Best Of) - The Skatalites (x«amarok) |
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| 16:00.32 | keith4 | shad0w1e: google says it might be an arg to dpkg |
| 16:00.37 | keith4 | like "--force-remove-reinstreq" or something |
| 16:00.38 | stew | jussi: please don't do that in here |
| 16:00.43 | shad0w1e | ah |
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| 16:00.51 | shad0w1e | so I do this on the remove... |
| 16:00.52 | shad0w1e | interesting |
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| 16:01.02 | _haxi_ | anyway to do : ` echo * * * * * myjob > crontab -e` ? |
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| 16:02.21 | jussi | stampede - Guns Of Navarone (Best Of) - The Skatalites (x«amarok) |
| 16:02.27 | stew | jussi: stop |
| 16:02.42 | smhar | I am trying to create a bridged network between my debian host and debian guest. I still can not connect the two.. not even a ping... could someone look at my interfaces file in the host and comment please: http://paste.lisp.org/display/58529 |
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| 16:03.28 | shad0w1e | keith4, doesn't seem to be it.. |
| 16:03.38 | \amethyst | _haxi_: do you want to add a new job, or replace the existing jobs? |
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| 16:03.45 | _haxi_ | add new |
| 16:03.49 | _haxi_ | /etc/crontab ? |
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| 16:04.11 | keith4 | shad0w1e: tried dpkg-reconfigure? apt-get install --reinstall? |
| 16:04.12 | \amethyst | _haxi_: A user crontab or a system one? |
| 16:04.22 | _haxi_ | I want to add a job from an C++ application |
| 16:04.32 | anparks | hi all, aptitude is not able to get the DiffIndex from the etch and sarge security updates. is there a fix for this? |
| 16:04.32 | keith4 | if you get the message "not installing deleted configuration file <foo>", plug it into google |
| 16:04.37 | shad0w1e | I did apt-get -P (purge), which brought me to the configure screen |
| 16:04.45 | shad0w1e | however the file I need still isnt being restored |
| 16:04.48 | keith4 | ... sarge security updates? |
| 16:04.58 | anparks | not sarge woops |
| 16:05.04 | alex12 | keith4, how can i mount a LVM? |
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| 16:05.15 | jussi | green island - Guns Of Navarone (Best Of) - The Skatalites (x«amarok) |
| 16:05.17 | keith4 | you need to install LVM ;-) and then start it |
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| 16:05.22 | n3kl | alex12: put a filesystem on it |
| 16:05.25 | \amethyst | _haxi_: you'd get the output of crontab -l, add your own line to the end, and pass that on the stdin of crontab - |
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| 16:05.44 | anparks | i meant "Could not download all repository indexes" etc. etc. it can't download "http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release.gpg" and "http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/Release.gpg" |
| 16:06.01 | \amethyst | _haxi_: C++ is not the easiest language for this :) |
| 16:06.17 | chops | smhar: Bridged interfaces should not have their own configuration (dhcp/anything) |
| 16:06.17 | stew | _haxi_: you'd want something like: (crontab -l ; echo "* * * * * myjob") | crontab - |
| 16:06.18 | \amethyst | _haxi_: in the shell it would be something like ( crontab -l; echo '* * * * * foo' ) | crontab - |
| 16:06.19 | keith4 | n3kl: he's in a complicated situation.... if I understand correctly, he has a disk, sdc, that is half of a hardware RAID 1, and it trying to get data off of it |
| 16:06.28 | stew | \amethyst: gmta |
| 16:06.29 | chops | smhar: I wouldn't use 'all' in bridge_ports; that seems wrong to me |
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| 16:06.45 | chops | smhar: What interfaces are you trying to bridge? |
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| 16:07.00 | alex12 | keith4, i have LVM installed, this drive is from another computer that was in a raid 1, i need to mount this raid1 drivew |
| 16:07.03 | _haxi_ | nvm, I'll work around /var/spool/cron/crontabs |
| 16:07.07 | _haxi_ | thanks :] |
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| 16:07.23 | \amethyst | what's the problem? |
| 16:07.24 | \amethyst | doh |
| 16:07.25 | n3kl | keith4: I take it it has an lvm on it? |
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| 16:07.33 | keith4 | alex12: run lvscan |
| 16:07.34 | liable | bots arent giving up tonight |
| 16:07.36 | livingdaylight | is a certain version of Debian a rolling distribution? |
| 16:07.39 | n3kl | alex12: what kind of raid, hardware or software? |
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| 16:07.49 | smhar | chops: I have an eth port eth1 and a wifi wlan0, I do not know what is eth0 doing! |
| 16:07.51 | keith4 | livingdaylight: sid |
| 16:07.58 | keith4 | and lenny, sort of |
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| 16:08.22 | alex12 | keith4, done all that, i need to rename the LogVol, because its called the same as my others. |
| 16:08.27 | twobitsprite | damn, they won't stop |
| 16:08.30 | anparks | how can i re-sign my keys for the main repos? |
| 16:08.31 | liable | stew: dont mode -o yet :) |
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| 16:08.50 | esteel | hmm when inside 'screen' i can't use alt-arrowleft anyone got an idea what could cause that and how to fix it? |
| 16:08.52 | livingdaylight | keith4, cheers... that's what i thought i had heard.... So, how does sid work differently from debian stable? you can just upgrade linux kernel etc as they are released? |
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| 16:09.08 | keith4 | livingdaylight: if you have to ask, don't use sid |
| 16:09.10 | keith4 | alex12: ohhhhh |
| 16:09.20 | cusco | hi.... I have a crontab entry with a ddclient script that never seems to run :( |
| 16:09.31 | cusco | any hints how I can debug it? |
| 16:09.47 | twobitsprite | livingdaylight, sid isn't worth it unless you plan on beta testing unstable software |
| 16:09.48 | shad0w1e | keith4, I got it. There was another package snort-rules-default, which reinstalling got me back the files |
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| 16:09.58 | livingdaylight | keith4, ooops, shouldn't have asked... i'm looking for a rolling os to install. having to reinstall an os every few months get tiriing.. i rather just hit 'upgrade' you know? |
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| 16:10.11 | keith4 | livingdaylight: you might consider lenny, then |
| 16:10.16 | stew | liable: i could probably drive myself insane if i tried to deal with it. it seems like freenode is on the case :) |
| 16:10.17 | smhar | chops: This is the guide I am using: http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox |
| 16:10.24 | shad0w1e | keith4, thanks for the advice though.. |
| 16:10.28 | keith4 | alex12: I don't understand why you need to rename a logical volume... |
| 16:10.31 | chops | smhar: Okay, so don't do any IP configuration of eth1 or wlan0, and put "bridge_ports eth1 wlan0" in the br0 configuation, and set up the IP address (DHCP or what have you) in br0 |
| 16:10.31 | keith4 | just mount it somewhere else |
| 16:10.45 | chops | smhar: If you have a DHCP server on eth1 and one on wlan0... you probably don't want bridging after all :-) |
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| 16:11.07 | n3kl | cusco: where is the file "crontab" located? |
| 16:11.08 | alex12 | keith4, http://pastebin.com/m4089f2c1 |
| 16:11.13 | livingdaylight | keith4, ok, never heard of lenny... I tried Foresight Linux and Conary is very powerful for rolling forward and back! but didn't find the os experience overall like it was mature enough and ready for a desktop |
| 16:11.15 | alex12 | i need to mount /dev/sdc2 |
| 16:11.24 | alex12 | its a LVM. |
| 16:11.33 | cusco | n3kl: I used crontab -e as user root |
| 16:11.35 | cusco | I dunno |
| 16:11.36 | twobitsprite | cusco, does your cron job show up in crontab -l? |
| 16:11.41 | cusco | twobitsprite: yes |
| 16:11.49 | twobitsprite | are you sure you have it formatted right? |
| 16:11.55 | cusco | yes |
| 16:12.02 | sparr_ | my DVD+RW drive doesnt seem to like black CDRs, any tips on things i might try to make it more reasonable? |
| 16:12.16 | twobitsprite | is cron running? |
| 16:12.17 | smhar | chops: I do not have a dhcp server in this notebook. and I am not always connected to my router. sometimes I just want to connect to the guest debian while not connected to the internet |
| 16:12.22 | keith4 | alex12: you're looking at volume groups, there. you can't mount a volume group. pastebin 'lvdisplay' |
| 16:12.38 | n3kl | alex12: you don't need to mount sdc2, you need to mount an lvm partition on sdc2, right? |
| 16:12.38 | cusco | twobitsprite: crontabs for other users are working.. that is the only crontab that I have on root |
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| 16:12.47 | keith4 | alex12: ah, nevermind... i kept reading |
| 16:12.57 | chops | smhar: What is the "guest Debian"? |
| 16:13.13 | chops | smhar: The DHCP servers I was talking about were on the networks, not in the notebook. |
| 16:13.17 | cusco | twobitsprite: I will try now to call a script that keeps a log... see if any log is kept |
| 16:13.41 | chops | smhar: I don't understand why you want bridging exactly. |
| 16:13.44 | n3kl | alex12: from your post, it looks like you should be able to mount /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol0{0,1,2} and get your data |
| 16:13.47 | twobitsprite | doesn't cron default to e-mailing the user the output of a job? |
| 16:13.51 | smhar | chops: guest debian is the debian on the virtual machine. |
| 16:14.05 | n3kl | twobitsprite: yes |
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| 16:14.25 | livingdaylight | keith4, i see... lenny is the name of the next debian release.... |
| 16:14.25 | keith4 | alex12: i still don't understand what your problem is. as n3kl said, you can just mount the LVs and get at your data |
| 16:14.26 | chops | smhar: Okay, can you describe your setup exactly and tell me what you're trying to bridge and how it will solve that problem? |
| 16:14.38 | alex12 | n3kl, ACTIVE '/dev/VolGroup00/LogVol00' [39.00 GB] inherit |
| 16:14.39 | alex12 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.39 | alex12 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.43 | marckie | hi. how do i invoke ssh to use public-key authentication only? |
| 16:14.44 | alex12 | these come from sda, and sdb |
| 16:14.54 | alex12 | i need the logvols's from sdc |
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| 16:14.57 | keith4 | ah. well, you left out "pvdisplay" |
| 16:15.28 | twobitsprite | livingdaylight, in debian, you have "stable" which is the release and doesn't change except for security updates, "testing" which is what will be the next release, and is updated more often, and "sid" or "unstable" which is like the 'alpha' version of debian, kind of... |
| 16:15.30 | stew | marckie: disable Password/ChallangeResponse in sshd_config |
| 16:15.32 | keith4 | alex12: pastebin 'pvdisplay' |
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| 16:15.40 | smhar | chops: I have a notebook that I want to use to learn php and html/css.. It runs debian. I created a vm debian called server, that have LAMP setup. I want to create files in the webserver in the vm and access them from the 'real' debian |
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| 16:15.56 | keith4 | smhar: using what vm technology? |
| 16:16.04 | n3kl | alex12: what kind of raid? |
| 16:16.06 | chops | smhar: That's not got anything to do with bridging that I can see... |
| 16:16.17 | twobitsprite | livingdaylight, most people run testing unless they really need a lot of stability, like a high-volume web server or something |
| 16:16.20 | alex12 | n3kl, hardware raid |
| 16:16.20 | smhar | chops: keith4: using virtualbox |
| 16:16.24 | alex12 | n3kl, intel. |
| 16:16.26 | cycom | I think bridging the interfaces is NOT what you want to do. |
| 16:16.35 | stew | i don't think most people run testing |
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| 16:16.37 | cycom | you want a host-only network. |
| 16:16.40 | marckie | stew: any way to disable it on command line? |
| 16:17.19 | smhar | chops: currently, VB is using NAT, I can access the net directly from the vm, but 'real' and vm debians can not see each others |
| 16:17.19 | stew | marckie: dunno |
| 16:17.21 | rahsputin | is it possible to use xserver's from i.e. "slink" or "woody" running sarge 2.4.27-3-586tsc ? |
| 16:17.24 | twobitsprite | stew, er, sorry... most people who want more up-to-date software on desktops, etc |
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| 16:17.44 | cycom | smhar: again: You want host-only network if you want to be able to talk between the two without internet access |
| 16:18.03 | chops | smhar: Bridging won't help with anything if they can't talk to each other (that I can see) |
| 16:18.04 | drwahl | if i start a screen with 'screen -S test -d -m', how would i send a command like 'echo hello world' to that screen? i am having a hard time understanding the man page |
| 16:18.14 | livingdaylight | twobitsprite, right, so lenny is in testing stage and would offer a reasona ble stable os for a couple years... what happens when applicationversins get kinda old? and i wanna upgrade/update them? |
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| 16:18.27 | chops | smhar: You need to reconfigure VB so that they can at least ping each other, which I can't advise you how to do since I'm not familiar with VB. |
| 16:18.29 | smhar | Cyorxamp: I selected hostonly |
| 16:18.29 | stew | livingdaylight: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:18.48 | Cyorxamp | smhar: You did? how nice for you |
| 16:18.51 | Cyorxamp | Who are you? |
| 16:19.00 | twobitsprite | livingdaylight, yes... and to upgrade you use aptitude... |
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| 16:19.01 | cycom | Cyorxamp: he's talking to me |
| 16:19.02 | n3kl | alex12: what do you have in /dev/mapper |
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| 16:19.20 | stew | rahsputin: possibly. this is not a supported configuration though. and sarge will no longer be supported within a week's time |
| 16:19.21 | livingdaylight | sweet |
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| 16:19.45 | smhar | cycom: : I selected hostonly |
| 16:19.47 | rout3 | hey guys |
| 16:20.01 | twobitsprite | livingdaylight, when something becomes stable in sid its moved to testing (in this case, lenny) |
| 16:20.01 | livingdaylight | so, let me download this lenny |
| 16:20.06 | smhar | sorry Cyorxamp.. tab error |
| 16:20.12 | m0by | hi guyz |
| 16:20.15 | rahsputin | stew: can i run etch with a 2.4 kernel |
| 16:20.17 | m0by | can anybody help me ? |
| 16:20.31 | cycom | smhar: yeah, you generally put two nics in for that kind of setup. one hostonly, and one bridged or nat for internet access |
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| 16:20.42 | stew | rahsputin: this is not supported. some things in etch will work with a 2.4 kernel and some are known not to |
| 16:20.44 | cycom | for testing, you set all your lamp stuff to point to the hostonly nic |
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| 16:20.46 | m0by | i want to be able to view .dat files on my debbox |
| 16:21.01 | cycom | and download your updates from the internet (nat/bridge) nic |
| 16:21.03 | m0by | but i can't find the w32codecs nowhere |
| 16:21.07 | rahsputin | stew: what do you mean with not supported ? |
| 16:21.10 | m0by | is it the right package to download ? |
| 16:21.18 | twobitsprite | m0by: what is a .dat file? |
| 16:21.22 | alex12 | n3kl, http://pastebin.com/m28f6415 |
| 16:21.27 | alex12 | lots of info in thee |
| 16:21.30 | alex12 | there |
| 16:21.31 | anparks | can somebody please help me fix aptitude |
| 16:21.31 | smhar | cycom: have you seen my interface file? http://paste.lisp.org/display/58529 |
| 16:21.32 | n3kl | rahsputin: as in "its not supported", as in you are on your own. Why 2.4 anyway? |
| 16:21.38 | twobitsprite | m0by: usually .dat is an arbitrary "data" filetype and I don't think it has a specific type |
| 16:21.42 | m0by | i've copied a file from a vcd to my pc |
| 16:21.48 | anparks | it can't download the repository keys for anything including sarge |
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| 16:21.53 | stew | rahsputin: things are known to be broken with etch and 2.4. expect some things to not be working, and don't expect help with it |
| 16:22.03 | m0by | twobitsprite: i've copied them from a vcd |
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| 16:22.19 | cycom | smhar: is that file from the host os or the guest os? |
| 16:22.20 | twobitsprite | m0by: w32codecs is a debain package in the non-free repos |
| 16:22.21 | livingdaylight | i clicked on download page for testing for i386 but there are like 27cd's? |
| 16:22.25 | n3kl | alex12: whats the output of pvdisplay? |
| 16:22.29 | smhar | cycom: host |
| 16:22.47 | livingdaylight | 26 26k torrents... is there not just one torrent with the complete cd? |
| 16:23.11 | twobitsprite | livingdaylight, debian is a very large OS... and you won't need all of it.. just get the first 2 or so |
| 16:23.29 | cycom | smhar: *shrug* to be honest, I don't use virtual box because it's too much of a pain. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=346185&page=8 < that talks about how to set it up, but you might be better off just using vmware server. FAR easier to set up and use, and host only networking 'just works' |
| 16:23.30 | stew | livingdaylight: if your machine can get onto the internet with a standard debian kernel, you only need the first cd or a newinst |
| 16:23.32 | twobitsprite | the rest you will get from aptitude which downloads the individual packages that you need |
| 16:23.32 | n3kl | livingdaylight: try the "download correctly" link at the bottom of the page |
| 16:23.33 | livingdaylight | twobitsprite, but its more than 52k? |
| 16:24.03 | my007ms | i try to follow this URL http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/realplayer.htm but when i do apt-get update i get |
| 16:24.04 | my007ms | GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 16:24.11 | m0by | twobitsprite: thx a lot ;) |
| 16:24.13 | cycom | smhar: I mean, what's the point of setting up a php test lamp server if all you ever do is screw around trying to get the network working, right? |
| 16:24.18 | n3kl | livingdaylight: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 16:24.26 | anparks | is it just that http.us.debian.org is down??? |
| 16:24.44 | alex12 | n3kl, http://pastebin.com/m1dcddd6c |
| 16:24.50 | twobitsprite | anparks, seems up to me |
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| 16:24.56 | livingdaylight | n3kl, cheers... only 160k? |
| 16:25.02 | itchi | my007ms: Install debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 16:25.07 | anparks | is there a reason why i can't connect to it then? |
| 16:25.10 | smhar | cycom: I was using vmware to host windows and autocad on my debian before.. but after I found an opensource alternative I switched to VB |
| 16:25.18 | anparks | nothing will install in aptitude or synaptic |
| 16:25.37 | cycom | smhar: *shrug* I dunno what else to tell you mate :) |
| 16:25.38 | twobitsprite | anparks, what is the error? |
| 16:25.48 | anparks | it just will not connect to us.debian.org |
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| 16:25.52 | my007ms | itchi, work fine now thanks |
| 16:25.55 | anparks | ok now its working |
| 16:25.58 | itchi | anparks: http://http.us.debian.org/ just work |
| 16:26.00 | anparks | its just very very slow |
| 16:26.03 | stew | anparks: which ip address? |
| 16:26.07 | anparks | its working now |
| 16:26.14 | Deezire | anparks: try http://http.no.debian.org/ |
| 16:26.16 | anparks | im just surprised its so slow |
| 16:26.28 | stew | anparks: its 4 different ip addresses, its not likely that all 4 are down at the same time |
| 16:26.36 | anparks | theyre not down they are just slow |
| 16:26.41 | anparks | is norway's faster? lol |
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| 16:27.05 | rahsputin | stew: and is it possible to use xvesa than xeserver-xorg or xfree86 in "sarge" |
| 16:27.05 | itchi | anparks: Look for some other faster mirrors near you with ie: apt-spy |
| 16:27.08 | Deezire | Norwegian mirrors are often undercrowded. |
| 16:27.22 | stew | rahsputin: i've never heard of xvesa |
| 16:27.28 | Deezire | (due to the fact that more people live in NY than in whole of Norway) |
| 16:27.30 | livingdaylight | is there a #debian offtopic channel? |
| 16:27.31 | n3kl | alex12: so its seeing your partition table it looks like |
| 16:27.31 | rahsputin | strange |
| 16:27.38 | stew | livingdaylight: #debian-offtopic |
| 16:27.53 | livingdaylight | stew, :0 |
| 16:27.55 | smhar | cycom: you can comment on my interfaces file :-) |
| 16:28.00 | anparks | yeah im not surprised. im in new york and there are a lot of us |
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| 16:28.08 | keith4 | alex12: that should teach you to name all of your VGs "VolGroup00" ! |
| 16:28.47 | n3kl | alex12: look in /dev/VolGroup00, anything in there? |
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| 16:29.07 | bradly | How can i restart sshd? |
| 16:29.09 | n3kl | alex12: or vgdisplay /dev/VolGroup00 |
| 16:29.16 | n3kl | bradly: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 16:29.36 | ZestyKrunch | as root |
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| 16:30.44 | cycom | smhar: I don't know enough about your setup to do so well, but I can say that you really shouldn't have to muck with that to get host-only working, as far as I know. |
| 16:31.42 | n3kl | keith4: did he ever do a lvdisplay /dev/VolGroup00 |
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| 16:34.17 | t0mb0y | hi, i just installed debian lenny onto a server, trying to get lvm2 to work, and when i issue the lvcreate cmd, its giving me a incompatible libdevmapper 1.02.74 error |
| 16:34.31 | keith4 | n3kl: i don't think so |
| 16:34.54 | keith4 | but it almost looks like his problem might be that he has another LVM, spanning sda and sdb, with the same VG name |
| 16:35.00 | dutchfish | t0mb0y, did you pvcreate and what your logs tell? |
| 16:36.01 | t0mb0y | dutchfish: pvcreate worked fine, but not seeing a log file to check, no msgs in syslog |
| 16:36.12 | dutchfish | t0mb0y, ok |
| 16:36.46 | dutchfish | t0mb0y, and pvdisplay gives correct result? |
| 16:36.48 | t0mb0y | pvcreate and vgcreate worked fine, just lvcreate |
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| 16:37.15 | dutchfish | t0mb0y, what was your syntax? |
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| 16:37.29 | t0mb0y | dutchfish: yea i see my 2 drives, and vgdisplay backups works fine as well.. says i got 449.88gb vg size |
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| 16:37.36 | stew | t0mb0y: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 16:37.45 | t0mb0y | 2.6.24-1 |
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| 16:38.54 | t0mb0y | i honestly just installed the server from net install, installed ssh and then lvm2 and ran my cmds |
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| 16:40.23 | stew | t0mb0y: have you checked the bts? |
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| 16:40.35 | drwahl | is it possible to pass commands to a terminal that was opening in 'screen'? |
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| 16:40.40 | stew | t0mb0y: you realize that lenny, bein unreleased, is not recommended on servers (becuase it is known to be buggy) |
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| 16:41.58 | t0mb0y | stew: i understand, but it was only way i could get debian onto this server via a usb flash drive ;x |
| 16:42.03 | t0mb0y | stew: bts ? |
| 16:42.11 | stew | t0mb0y: why couldn't you install etch? |
| 16:42.13 | stew | !bts |
| 16:42.13 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 16:43.09 | keith4 | " but it was only way i could get debian onto this server via a usb flash drive" .... what? |
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| 16:43.20 | keith4 | i thought you said you netinst'd it? |
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| 16:43.43 | keith4 | ... you wrote the netinst image to a usb flash device? |
| 16:44.17 | bradly | How can i change a process running as root to app |
| 16:45.38 | \amethyst | bradly: you want to change the user that an existing process is running as? |
| 16:45.49 | bradly | Yeah |
| 16:45.52 | \amethyst | bradly: it's not really recommended, but you can do it with gdb (the debugger) |
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| 16:46.26 | t0mb0y | stew: err my error, i normally custom build my own kernels ;x guess had to just load dm-mod module |
| 16:48.40 | \amethyst | bradly: if you have the PID in the shell variable $pid, you can do: |
| 16:48.51 | \amethyst | bradly: gdb /proc/$pid/exe $pid |
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| 16:49.08 | joomla_user | !backports |
| 16:49.08 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 16:49.44 | \amethyst | bradly: then in gdb you'd do call setreuid(1000,1000) where 1000 is the UID of the user you want it to run as |
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| 16:49.59 | bradly | \amethyst: that's pretty nutty |
| 16:50.03 | \amethyst | bradly: then q (and answer yes) to detach gdb and let the program continue :) |
| 16:50.33 | \amethyst | bradly: it's an evil hack, and is very likely to confuse the hell out of the poor program :) |
| 16:50.55 | bradly | Ihave mongrel running as root and I want to change it to app :) |
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| 16:51.08 | \amethyst | and you can't just restart it? |
| 16:51.09 | _gAri- | hi there, where do I find php5 backports for sarge? |
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| 16:51.37 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 16:51.37 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 16:52.01 | \amethyst | _gAri-: http://packages.debian.org/sarge-backports/php5 |
| 16:52.11 | _gAri- | thanks :) |
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| 16:52.22 | \amethyst | note that sarge security support is being discontinued |
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| 16:52.36 | \amethyst | so you might want to think about upgrading soon :) |
| 16:52.48 | bradly | \amethyst: I don't have the app user password handy. I can su though |
| 16:52.56 | rahsputin | stew: Xvesa --> http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html |
| 16:53.10 | \amethyst | bradly: how do you start it normally? |
| 16:53.28 | bradly | \amethyst: that person is no longer working with us |
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| 16:54.38 | \amethyst | bradly: you can change the user's password as root, you know |
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| 16:55.09 | \amethyst | bradly: (assuming you mean the system password and not some kind of password for a third-party network service) |
| 16:55.18 | bradly | yah |
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| 16:56.40 | livingdaylight | n3kl, was there an 5dsum for that torrent? just so i can check? |
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| 16:58.47 | abrotman | livingdaylight: it shouhld be in the ISO directory? |
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| 16:59.16 | livingdaylight | abrotman, thank you ^6 |
| 16:59.23 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta1/i386/iso-cd/ .. assuming i386 .. change if it is not |
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| 17:00.12 | idimmu | it must be awesome writing about a completely subjective artform/msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 17:00.15 | idimmu | fk |
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| 17:04.46 | stew | that was like subliminal debian support |
| 17:05.17 | dclarke | aptitude updates tells me "W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca ..." how do I point to a new mirror ? Specifically http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/ ? |
| 17:05.32 | dclarke | there must be a conf file .. somewhere |
| 17:06.00 | dclarke | I think /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:07.09 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 17:07.10 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 17:07.23 | dclarke | thanks you Mr. abrotman |
| 17:07.39 | dclarke | yes .. I edited /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:07.46 | dclarke | and am running aptitide update |
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| 17:08.52 | jugosimi | I am stuck on this installation booting from floppy , trying to mount a PCMCIA cd-rom drive |
| 17:08.53 | rahsputin | :D |
| 17:09.38 | Zharf | pcmcia cdrom drive o.O |
| 17:10.49 | jugosimi | yes, Zharf, ...? |
| 17:11.48 | jugosimi | system does recognize my card |
| 17:12.22 | rahsputin | jugosimi: do a floppy install |
| 17:12.37 | jugosimi | i did |
| 17:13.15 | jugosimi | i have 2.2.20 on hda (20 floppies) |
| 17:13.23 | ranix^ | whoa wut |
| 17:13.31 | ranix^ | you should be able to get a base install with three floppies |
| 17:13.34 | mavhc | after I installed via floppy I had to install a new kernel from the network to go loads of stuff to work |
| 17:13.43 | rahsputin | 2.2 |
| 17:13.48 | rahsputin | slink ? |
| 17:14.09 | jugosimi | network is only slattach 9660 baud |
| 17:14.18 | pleed__ | Does anyone know where i can get help with when building a small mailing list on exim4 doesnt work due to "unroutable address" errors occur? |
| 17:14.20 | ranix^ | what are you installing on, a 286? |
| 17:14.52 | jugosimi | :) almost, pentium mmx |
| 17:15.08 | cloakable | heh |
| 17:15.10 | ranix^ | you have pcmcia, you're gonna want a network card |
| 17:15.31 | ranix^ | wireless 802.11b should work, or a broadcom dongle |
| 17:15.40 | jugosimi | yes, sure, but I have scsi card, why doen't dis work properly... |
| 17:15.46 | ranix^ | install with Sarge floppies if you don't have the 32 megs of ram for etch |
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| 17:15.51 | abrotman | jugosimi: use the etch installer |
| 17:16.05 | abrotman | unless you've got no RAM |
| 17:16.12 | jugosimi | i am in the install menu of the etch installer |
| 17:16.16 | chell | is there an Adobe Flash package for lenny? |
| 17:16.20 | jugosimi | I have 70 Mb ram |
| 17:16.25 | abrotman | use etch |
| 17:16.28 | ranix^ | you're fine to install etch then |
| 17:16.32 | rahsputin | jugosimi: i installed sarge with floppy ( 3 floppys ) |
| 17:16.35 | abrotman | chell: just use the one from adobe.com |
| 17:16.41 | rahsputin | on 40MB |
| 17:16.46 | chell | abrotman: will it work with epiphany? |
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| 17:16.52 | abrotman | chell: it works for me |
| 17:16.53 | ranix^ | I installed sarge on 14mb with three floppies |
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| 17:17.30 | jugosimi | ranix^: but how do I get this scsi cdrom to work to reach X finally? |
| 17:17.32 | _gAri- | what apt source should I use in order to install this? -> http://packages.debian.org/sarge-backports/php5 |
| 17:17.46 | ranix^ | jugosimi: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ? |
| 17:17.49 | ranix^ | ehr |
| 17:17.52 | abrotman | _gAri-: there are instructions at backports.org |
| 17:17.53 | ranix^ | yeah that should work |
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| 17:18.14 | jugosimi | no, the devices do not show up |
| 17:18.28 | jugosimi | I should have scd0 |
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| 17:18.53 | ranix^ | unplug it and plug it back in and see what the event log spits out |
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| 17:19.52 | chell | abrotman: any special paths I have to change for the installer |
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| 17:20.07 | deadcat | how do i use ffmpeg to record my X11 :0.0 (entire screen)? |
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| 17:20.42 | visof | i have an error when i cmpiling |
| 17:20.44 | abrotman | chell: i do it manually .. copy the libflash.so to the plugins folder for each browser I want to hve flash |
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| 17:20.50 | visof | i lose gcc or cc |
| 17:20.53 | visof | how this? |
| 17:20.54 | abrotman | should really use symlinks i suppose |
| 17:21.03 | abrotman | !b-e visof |
| 17:21.03 | dpkg | visof: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 17:21.10 | visof | checking for gcc... no |
| 17:21.11 | visof | checking for cc... no |
| 17:21.58 | chell | abrotman: any idea where epiphany puts its plugins |
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| 17:22.31 | abrotman | /usr/lib/epiphany/<version>/plugins/ |
| 17:22.33 | jugosimi | ranix^: I did unplugged and plugged the pcmcia: it was probed and the kernel registered the device... |
| 17:25.06 | jugosimi | ranix^: [ccardctl ls] my device (0) has no driver ... |
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| 17:26.23 | dworkin | i am running uptodate Lenny with KDE, using 'intel' graphics driver in xorg.conf for my i915 graphics card. when i leave my laptop idling in X after 10-15 minutes Xorg process gradually consumes more and more CPU until it has 99%. at that point the only option is to kill Xorg. often even that doesn't help, Xorg turns into a zombie. google has ppl with same problem with 'nv' driver and others, but no solution. can anyone help? |
| 17:26.53 | deadcat | no help on ffmpeg? |
| 17:27.01 | jugosimi | ranix^: ... but I have plenty of modules to chose from. |
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| 17:27.30 | hetauma | why in order to install gstreamer-plugins-bad, gnomebaker has to be removed? |
| 17:28.05 | hetauma | and is there any other way to play aac sound without the "bad" set ? |
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| 17:28.31 | \amethyst | hetauma: aptitude why-not gnomebaker |
| 17:28.57 | ranix^ | jugosimi: you're going to have to find some arcane sorcery driver for your voodoo pcmcia SCSI cd rom drive |
| 17:29.32 | ranix^ | jugosimi: you might be able to find one on apt if you chant "Arise chicken, arise!" repeatedly and sacrifice a rubber duck in effigy |
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| 17:30.55 | jugosimi | ranix^: I don't think it's that far out of the way, it should react to some common driver, if it is probed correctly, shouldn'f it? |
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| 17:31.09 | sohmestra | if I can do: date -d '10 years ago', how do I specify a date 10 years in the future? |
| 17:31.51 | sohmestra | date -d '10 years from now' doesn't work |
| 17:32.21 | rahsputin | where is the host.def file located |
| 17:32.48 | tarzeau | sohmestra: +10years ? |
| 17:33.05 | ranix^ | date -d "-10 years ago" |
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| 17:34.30 | sohmestra | thanks. both of those do the trick |
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| 17:37.36 | sorous2 | I'm usinging debian etc4 . 1.how can i restart apache? |
| 17:38.05 | diabel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.41 | sorous2 | 2. when I change network adapters connected to the pc while debian is runnig how can I change eth0 to work with the new network adapter |
| 17:38.43 | sorous2 | ? |
| 17:38.55 | stew | sorous2: "/etc/init.d/apache restart" or "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart" |
| 17:39.02 | stew | sorous2: /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 17:39.29 | sorous2 | thanks, stew |
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| 17:39.43 | jeward | I just upgraded a box from sarge to etch and need to provide SNMP on more than one interface? How do I do this? |
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| 17:41.57 | szymon_g | hi. what's the newest version of kde in debian etch r3 :? |
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| 17:43.06 | abrotman | szymon_g: packages.debian.org will know |
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| 17:43.50 | pif | what package should I install to use my box as a wifi access point? |
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| 17:45.56 | szymon_g | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:46.55 | sohmestra | pif: what have you done thus far to narrow down the possibilities? |
| 17:47.57 | Bushmills | pif, dhcpd may be a good one |
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| 17:48.27 | pif | Bushmills: simply run wlan0 in master mode and bridge it to eth0 + dhcpd ? |
| 17:48.47 | Bushmills | or dhcp-relay. if your dhcpd is somewhere else |
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| 17:49.12 | Bushmills | though i found it not trivial to make dhcp-relay to run reliably. |
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| 17:49.53 | pif | but if wlan0+eth0 are bridged then the dhcpd listening on that LAN will anwser, won't it? |
| 17:49.56 | Bushmills | bridging wlan? not sure whether that's a good idea |
| 17:50.25 | sohmestra | pif: hostapd perhaps? |
| 17:50.37 | pif | Bushmills: that it tantamount to what installing a hardware AP would do |
| 17:50.53 | pif | s/it/is |
| 17:51.13 | Bushmills | i think i'd prefer masq and iptables, with an own ip address range, and tight control on what is allowed from wlan. |
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| 17:51.56 | pif | that's reasonable, but then again wpa2 is deemed secure (?) |
| 17:52.14 | simonrvn | more secure |
| 17:53.28 | keith4 | Bushmills: i enjoy your whiskey |
| 17:53.28 | Bushmills | keith, me too :) |
| 17:54.07 | Bushmills | keith4: http://photo.forthfreak.net/drink/bushmills.jpg |
| 17:54.20 | keith4 | ... creepy |
| 17:54.35 | keith4 | i was at the bushmills facility last July |
| 17:54.40 | keith4 | but i missed the last tour ;-( |
| 17:54.42 | n3kl | hello drunkie |
| 17:54.43 | Bushmills | me too |
| 17:54.45 | Bushmills | hehe |
| 17:55.03 | Bushmills | in ...august or september |
| 17:55.18 | Bushmills | did you volunteer? |
| 17:55.21 | keith4 | pif: you can bridge wlan0 and eth0. that will, as you mentioned, emulate a hardware wireless AP |
| 17:55.24 | simonrvn | display: no data returned `http://photo.forthfreak.net/drink/bushmills.jpg'. |
| 17:55.50 | keith4 | Bushmills: nah, i didn't have time to hang around |
| 17:55.57 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 17:56.12 | keith4 | pif: it sounds like others are suggesting you emulate a wireless NAT box |
| 17:56.18 | _haxi_ | anyway to know where do the package come from? (what depot)? |
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| 17:56.34 | abrotman | apt-cache policy .. maybe |
| 17:56.37 | darkstego_ | question: is there a special group permision required to access inotify? |
| 17:57.08 | Bushmills | darkstego_: yes. well, depends on what you use for accessing it. |
| 17:57.10 | pif | keith4: exactly, but I'd rather start out simple , emulating a regular AP with WPA2 and MAC filtering, and proceed from there |
| 17:57.13 | Teltariat | How does one do firewall configuration on Debian? |
| 17:57.54 | Bushmills | darkstego_: using incron, for example, you'd add users to incron.allow |
| 17:57.56 | darkstego_ | Bushmills: I get a permission error when I set mediatomb to rescan directories depending on inotify |
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| 17:58.13 | n3kl | darkstego_: what is mediatomb? |
| 17:58.32 | darkstego_ | its a media server |
| 17:58.38 | n3kl | is it cool? |
| 17:58.41 | _haxi_ | abrotman: mh, no |
| 17:58.42 | keith4 | Teltariat: firehol is highly recommended |
| 17:58.42 | darkstego_ | UPnP |
| 17:58.43 | n3kl | I need more cool projects |
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| 17:58.48 | Teltariat | Thanks keith4 |
| 17:59.04 | keith4 | pif: is there a reason you can't just buy a netgear wg302 or similar? |
| 17:59.16 | pif | keith4: hack value :) |
| 17:59.25 | darkstego_ | its cool because you can stream media to things like PS3, which require a UPnP media server, mediatomb is basicly the only option under linux |
| 17:59.49 | keith4 | darkstego_: false |
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| 18:00.11 | darkstego_ | now I get this inotify thread caught exception, permission denied |
| 18:00.11 | keith4 | mythtv streams UPnP |
| 18:00.23 | maligor | mediatomb? |
| 18:00.26 | dserban_ | is there a way to ask a web server its capabilities? I seem to be having some trouble with some websites, and I want to know if it's my squid proxy, my iceweasel, or if my ip's blocked. |
| 18:00.28 | keith4 | in fact, the PS3 streams just fine from mythtv |
| 18:00.42 | darkstego_ | keith4: mythtv does a bit more than that. I wanted a simpler solution |
| 18:00.44 | n3kl | dserban_: not if your good |
| 18:00.46 | duff-man | is stratagus good for old machines? |
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| 18:00.57 | maligor | I tried the upnp stuff at one point and it seemed mostly an incompatible mess |
| 18:01.05 | Bushmills | duff-man: that's the game? uses opengl iirc |
| 18:01.14 | Bushmills | though i wonder whatfor |
| 18:01.19 | n3kl | keith4: you are streaming a ps3 from mythtv? |
| 18:01.22 | maligor | I don't think mediatomb was one of them however |
| 18:01.29 | keith4 | n3kl: sure |
| 18:01.38 | n3kl | dood, thats neat |
| 18:01.42 | keith4 | yes |
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| 18:01.48 | keith4 | also, the ps3 dual-boots debian |
| 18:01.56 | keith4 | if the built-in UPnP client isn't good enough |
| 18:01.59 | n3kl | I thought mythtv was cool when I looked into it, but a lot of reviews said it was unstable |
| 18:02.03 | n3kl | what is upnp? |
| 18:02.04 | dserban_ | n3kl, I doubt the ip's blocked, but it has that feeling as I can't traceroute to the offending servers. Found that I couldn't display folding.extremeoverclocking.com due to iceweasel's config (still a site bug) but I did find out why. There's one more I need to find out wth the problem is. |
| 18:02.07 | n3kl | universal plug and play? |
| 18:02.14 | n3kl | keith4: booting debian? |
| 18:02.21 | duff-man | Bushmills: my gpu can only handle with 2d on this "museum"-machine |
| 18:02.21 | n3kl | keith4: using usb mouse keyboard? |
| 18:02.27 | keith4 | yep |
| 18:02.31 | n3kl | keith4: thats neat |
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| 18:02.40 | n3kl | like, really neat |
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| 18:02.51 | keith4 | mythtv is perfectly stable. just had a new release, in fact. it's available for testing from debian-multimedia |
| 18:03.24 | Bushmills | duff-man: that game doesn't really look like it should need opengl. but iirc, it even depends on it. though screen action is relatively limited. |
| 18:03.39 | n3kl | keith4: I just might test it in a vm this weekend then |
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| 18:04.07 | maligor | Elisa just has a much nicer interface than myth |
| 18:04.14 | cloakable | heh |
| 18:04.24 | n3kl | keith4: so do you actually get the mythtv interface on the ps3 and you can slect/play music/movies to the tv? |
| 18:04.40 | keith4 | hell no |
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| 18:04.43 | keith4 | not unless I boot debian |
| 18:04.44 | rahsputin | what is /dev/tty6 |
| 18:04.56 | n3kl | keith4: Oh |
| 18:04.59 | abrotman | rahsputin: it's tty6 |
| 18:05.09 | reset | hello! if i copyed all cd of debian into a directory, how i can make repository frim it& |
| 18:05.10 | reset | ? |
| 18:05.21 | n3kl | keith4: so you have mythtv running debian that is doing the interface to the tv directly from the ps3? |
| 18:05.22 | abrotman | rahsputin: ps aux | grep getty |
| 18:05.32 | reset | to work with it with apt-get install? |
| 18:05.33 | keith4 | n3kl: ... what? |
| 18:05.51 | abrotman | reset: dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 18:06.05 | keith4 | rahsputin: tty6 is what you see if you ctrl-alt-F6 |
| 18:06.29 | rahsputin | thank you |
| 18:06.35 | reset | dpkg automatically add packages to apt? |
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| 18:07.47 | abrotman | reset: it will create a Packages file .. you still have to add it to your sources.list yourself |
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| 18:08.38 | reset | #deb file:///home/reset/distributives/01/ etch contrib main |
| 18:08.57 | abrotman | it's commented out though |
| 18:09.28 | reset | but it still say to me "unrecognized package" but find it |
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| 18:09.46 | NICK-Z | anyone knows how to kill x-server ? |
| 18:09.48 | NICK-Z | no ? |
| 18:09.58 | reset | 02 cd = / etch main and 03 the same |
| 18:10.05 | abrotman | NICK-Z: how did you start it ? |
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| 18:10.16 | abrotman | reset: you can put those all in one directory if you prefer |
| 18:10.22 | NICK-Z | grah thanks this is a good clue |
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| 18:10.51 | NICK-Z | but do you know easy way ? |
| 18:11.02 | abrotman | killall X |
| 18:11.14 | reset | oh... there are many files with same names. it is not fairy? |
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| 18:12.25 | reset | ok. i shall to use "etch contrib main" to it? |
| 18:12.40 | keith4 | NICK-Z: ctrl-alt-backspace, if you're IN x |
| 18:12.40 | wimpies | Hi all, after I have mounted a filesystem through NFS that needs to be automounted on the NFS server using autofs, and after I have umounted that FS again from NFS, the nfs-kernel-server seems to keep a lock on the automounted disk so that autofs is unable to auto unmount it. Why is the kernel server caching this ? |
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| 18:13.07 | hatezilla | whats up guys, i have a huge problem with a disk wondering if someone can help out |
| 18:13.20 | hatezilla | its going/gone bad and i'm trying to copy it over |
| 18:13.30 | hatezilla | i have it mounted, but i don't see any /home or /etc loaded |
| 18:13.43 | hatezilla | as far as i can tell there are only 3 partitions on it, with 1 major one being used for everything and 1 for swap |
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| 18:13.53 | hatezilla | just wondering where my /etc and /home dirs might have gone :( |
| 18:13.55 | keith4 | where is it mounted? |
| 18:14.04 | hatezilla | i booted from a disk |
| 18:14.10 | hatezilla | so i mounted /dev/hda1 to /old-disk |
| 18:14.12 | stew | hatezilla: /etc has to be on the same partition as / |
| 18:14.17 | hatezilla | so there's no /old-disk/etc |
| 18:14.18 | hatezilla | for instance |
| 18:14.23 | hatezilla | or /old-disk/home |
| 18:14.36 | hatezilla | /old-disk/home is pointing to 'libpamc.so.0..."? |
| 18:14.36 | keith4 | what does 'fdisk -l /dev/hda' show? |
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| 18:14.52 | n3kl | hatezilla: what is under /old-disk |
| 18:14.57 | hatezilla | want me to type it all out? |
| 18:15.00 | hatezilla | for fdisk |
| 18:15.04 | hatezilla | i can't copy :/ |
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| 18:15.07 | keith4 | any other partitions? |
| 18:15.10 | n3kl | hatezilla: perhaps that is your boot partition |
| 18:15.11 | hatezilla | 2 partitions |
| 18:15.13 | hatezilla | hda1-3 |
| 18:15.16 | hatezilla | nah |
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| 18:15.27 | hatezilla | hda1 is boot, and it has 3858066 blocks |
| 18:15.31 | hatezilla | the others are mini |
| 18:15.37 | hatezilla | one is a win95 extd partition |
| 18:15.39 | hatezilla | and a linux swap |
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| 18:15.44 | hatezilla | both around 498000 blocks |
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| 18:15.51 | stew | hatezilla: please don't hit enter so often |
| 18:16.02 | hatezilla | psh, my bad |
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| 18:16.11 | ben1597 | anyone know of a method to check what processes are hammering a hard disk? |
| 18:16.17 | keith4 | hatezilla: "win95 extd partition" can be deceiving |
| 18:16.23 | stew | hatezilla: /etc has to be on the same partition as /, so if you know which partition has / you know which partition should have /etc |
| 18:16.39 | hatezilla | stew: hda1 has /...but there's no etc there |
| 18:16.47 | hatezilla | maybe i should try mounting the win95 i guess |
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| 18:17.02 | stew | hatezilla: then your /etc/ is gone |
| 18:17.14 | Tramp | ben1597: echo "1" >/proc/sys/vm/block_dump then cat /proc/kmesg |
| 18:17.17 | stew | ben1597: "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" and watch syslog |
| 18:17.20 | deadcat | offtopic, how do i ship a laptop to someone? ups/fedex? do they give boxes? |
| 18:17.31 | ben1597 | thanks guys. |
| 18:17.34 | hatezilla | i try mounting /dev/hda2 but it gives me an error about trying to access beyond the end of the drive? |
| 18:17.54 | justin | hatezilla: you should be taking an image using dd_rescue and working off that |
| 18:18.06 | stew | hatezilla: becuase /dev/hda2 is an extended parttition, which is just a partition that contains other paritions |
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| 18:18.40 | stew | hatezilla: if you know which partition contains /, there is no reason to look anywhere else for /etc |
| 18:18.47 | hatezilla | stew: ok |
| 18:18.52 | hatezilla | so etc is fucked basically |
| 18:18.55 | hatezilla | shit |
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| 18:19.18 | keith4 | fsck *might* be able to help you... but it sounds like it's way too late for that |
| 18:19.34 | hatezilla | keith4: fsck complains about bad superblocks and garbage like that |
| 18:19.40 | hatezilla | probably too damn late |
| 18:19.46 | n3kl | hatezilla: backups man |
| 18:19.48 | n3kl | backups |
| 18:19.58 | hatezilla | n3kl: yeah i had nightly backups of my /home and svn repos and shit |
| 18:20.06 | hatezilla | i was just trying to skip reconfigging the box |
| 18:20.06 | n3kl | live and learn |
| 18:20.18 | hatezilla | i'm not a sysadmin, i'm a ui designer :p |
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| 18:20.51 | hatezilla | this shit is already taxing my brain as is :) |
| 18:21.00 | hatezilla | thanks for the help everyone though |
| 18:21.06 | hatezilla | another probably dumb question |
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| 18:21.36 | hatezilla | i have a 3dm escalade controller in the box with a raid 5 going |
| 18:21.47 | hatezilla | im thinking of moving to a shuttle pc, and trying to throw those disks in an external raid chassis |
| 18:22.07 | hatezilla | anyone know of one that i can just throw these in and it will work? or does each raid controller have its own language? |
| 18:22.45 | hatezilla | 3dm/3ware |
| 18:22.46 | n3kl | hatezilla: I am interested, where are you going to get the external chasis? |
| 18:22.46 | stew | hatezilla: you shout not expect a non-3ware raid controller to recognize your raid array, if that is what you are asking |
| 18:22.56 | hatezilla | n3kl: frys |
| 18:23.01 | hatezilla | or newegg |
| 18:23.17 | n3kl | hatezilla: I would love a link if you have one |
| 18:23.17 | hatezilla | stew: yeah thats what i was asking...ojk |
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| 18:23.49 | douglas | when i install skype no debian |
| 18:23.52 | douglas | on |
| 18:23.53 | hatezilla | n3kl: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817332013 |
| 18:23.54 | douglas | and i go to start it |
| 18:23.57 | douglas | i get a floating point exception |
| 18:23.59 | douglas | why? |
| 18:24.01 | hatezilla | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817332017 |
| 18:24.14 | stew | douglas: please don't use <enter> in place of punctuation |
| 18:24.16 | Joelito | What happen if I install debian 32 bits in a 64 bit cpu? |
| 18:24.23 | douglas | My bad stew. |
| 18:24.29 | stew | Joelito: it behaves like a 32 bit cpu |
| 18:24.33 | hatezilla | stew you're really a nazi about the return key huh :p |
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| 18:24.50 | stew | hatezilla: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 18:25.01 | douglas | When I install skype on Debian, and go to start it, I get a floating point exception. Any idea why? |
| 18:25.22 | Joelito | stew: Hi, is there a debian util that will tell me if my cpu supports 64 bits? |
| 18:25.33 | douglas | why don't you go to the mfr's website, Joelito |
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| 18:26.41 | maligor | Joelito, x86info will probably show it |
| 18:26.49 | Kolin | hey, im having a bit of a problem with my network card on debian |
| 18:26.51 | douglas | No ideas? |
| 18:26.57 | Kolin | if i do a fresh install my networ card is asigned eth2 and works correctly, eth0 is firewire and eth1 is seemingly empty |
| 18:27.08 | Kolin | if i reboot eth2 disapears |
| 18:27.15 | n3kl | Goodwins Rule! |
| 18:27.26 | Kolin | after the reboot i get eth2: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device when i do /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 18:27.50 | cusco | Kolin: there should be something wrong with its configuration in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:28.03 | n3kl | Kolin: try dmesg | grep eth and see if the devicename has changed or something |
| 18:28.10 | cusco | Kolin: try running ifconfig eth2 |
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| 18:28.43 | Kolin | only eth0 shows up when i do dmesg |
| 18:28.58 | Joelito | What happen if I install 64-bit in a 32-bit cpu? |
| 18:29.13 | Kolin | ive tried using eth0 eth1 and eth2 in /etc/networking/interface |
| 18:29.17 | maligor | Joelito, it won't work |
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| 18:29.24 | n3kl | Kolin: I think there is prob a better test than that, but its what I have used |
| 18:29.27 | cusco | Kolin: can you ifconfig eth2 |
| 18:29.30 | Kolin | cusco device not found again |
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| 18:29.49 | maligor | Joelito, I expect the installer won't boot actually :P |
| 18:29.51 | cusco | Kolin: when I run dmesg|grep eth I see "udev: renamed network interface eth0 to eth1" |
| 18:30.04 | cusco | Kolin: how many network cards have you got? |
| 18:30.10 | loopde | did something happen with mount.cifs ? i could use it fine to mount a share from server2003 but now i get permission deined error 13 from my computer and others, but works fine from some |
| 18:30.12 | Kolin | 1 |
| 18:30.30 | cusco | Kolin: ifconfig -a |
| 18:30.33 | aboyz | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.02 | n0mad | hi, debian dont recognize inteldp35dp + e6750 + nv6200pciex16..cant install |
| 18:31.02 | Kolin | hmmm, eth3 shows up in there now |
| 18:31.07 | cusco | aboyz: there is libapache2-svn |
| 18:31.11 | Bushmills | aboyz: websvn |
| 18:31.15 | stew | Kolin: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 18:31.22 | cusco | yea... |
| 18:31.43 | cusco | aboyz: there is also websvn |
| 18:31.44 | Joelito | maligor: Well..I could try that :p |
| 18:31.49 | aboyz | websvn?? |
| 18:31.58 | aboyz | is that installed on the apache side? |
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| 18:32.03 | Bushmills | requires php |
| 18:32.06 | cusco | yes.. its a set of php scripts |
| 18:32.11 | Kolin | leme give that a try stew |
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| 18:32.15 | aboyz | I see what you mean. i think that is what I want |
| 18:32.17 | aboyz | is it freee? |
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| 18:32.24 | Bushmills | yes |
| 18:32.46 | aboyz | nice!!! i think that is what i want |
| 18:33.00 | lindenle | !minix |
| 18:33.00 | dpkg | [minix] at http://www.minix3.org, or see tanenbaum v torvalds |
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| 18:36.44 | monra_ | Hello .. Does anybody know what i can do to read a specific memory location like 0x100? |
| 18:37.28 | maligor | mm... /dev/mem? |
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| 18:39.01 | monra_ | maligor: you mean me? how is /dev/mem being read. with a cat doesn't seem making sense |
| 18:39.19 | cusco | monra_: maybe apt-cache show ccmalloc |
| 18:39.24 | cusco | check if that is what you want |
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| 18:40.01 | maligor | monra_, it's a device that allows access to physical memory |
| 18:40.10 | maligor | using cat to read it doesn't make much sense |
| 18:40.30 | stew | unless your cat is smarter than the average feline |
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| 18:41.19 | maligor | you could use dd to extract a part from it maybe |
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| 18:41.36 | maligor | or a debugger tool |
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| 18:42.16 | Tramp | maligor: use od (ocatal/hex dump) to view binary data - or any other hex-editor/viewer. Though I have no idea, what you are trying to do. |
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| 18:43.17 | maligor | Tramp, you have the wrong target :) |
| 18:43.20 | Kolin | wth, my network cards mac address changes on reboot |
| 18:43.21 | n0mad | is there any live debian - taht can (or how to do fast?) boot directly from flash storage ? |
| 18:43.29 | duff-man | i heard adolf is known for saying, "Ein volk, ein reich, ein fuhrer." Now Microsoft says "One world, one web, one people." Coincidence??? |
| 18:43.34 | Tramp | maligor: sorry, right. |
| 18:43.38 | Mazingaro | I please I got a problem with 2.6.24-1 + athlon 800 + acpi... When video goes in standby I have to reset machine via ctrl + reqsys + b |
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| 18:43.55 | Tramp | monra_: use od (ocatal/hex dump) to view binary data - or any other hex-editor/viewer. Though I have no idea, what you are trying to do. |
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| 18:45.23 | aboyz | trac is the same as websvn |
| 18:45.26 | monra__ | Tramp: Now mem seems having data. i see 9 7digit-number in a row but no ideas what do they mean |
| 18:45.50 | n3kl | keith4: if you don't mind, I would like to know more about your mythtv setup. |
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| 18:45.59 | Tramp | monra_: yes. That's often the problem with hex data. |
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| 18:46.45 | keith4 | n3kl: it's pretty typical. come to #mythtv-users |
| 18:46.54 | _haxi_ | how to define what window manager I wanna use? kdm gdm etc |
| 18:47.59 | n0mad | is there any live debian - taht can boot directly from flash storage ? |
| 18:48.01 | Tramp | monra_: man od tells you, how you can change the output. Maybe od -x or od -c makes more sense. The first number is the address. But what the data means you have to know for yourself |
| 18:48.02 | abrotman | kdm/gdm are Desktop Managers |
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| 18:49.37 | monra__ | seems I will never lean what 0x100 memory location yes! :P Anyway. In my old pc i remember i found a file in /dev/ where when moving my mouse(touchpad) i saw data getting in this file ... the problem is in my new pc i cannot find this file.. i tried /dev/input/mice or mouse0 but nothing. any ideas where the file could be? |
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| 18:50.04 | maligor | abrotman, you mean display manager? |
| 18:50.16 | benjamindees | recent install of etch; somehow I have gotten libcommons-logging-java installed, which depends on either kaffe or java1-runtime or java2-runtime, without having any of those installed :-/ |
| 18:50.18 | stew | monra__: is the psmouse kernel module loaded? |
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| 18:50.43 | abrotman | maligor: yes, my brain isn't working well, not enough sleep |
| 18:50.58 | maligor | monra_, it should be /dev/input/mice, /dev/psaux is obsolete |
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| 18:51.43 | monra__ | maligor: nope neither of them. stew how can i check if a kernel module is loaded? |
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| 18:52.19 | stew | monra__: lsmod |
| 18:52.36 | abrotman | maligor: it's not really obsolete .. IIRC dev/input/mice is the conglomerate of all mice devices |
| 18:52.45 | abrotman | aggregate .. |
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| 18:52.59 | monra__ | stew: yes its loaded although used by shows only 0 |
| 18:53.01 | maligor | abrotman, well, afaik /dev/psaux was direct access to the ps2 mice |
| 18:53.29 | maligor | now it's just there so that old programs don't break... obsolete |
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| 18:53.49 | maligor | all mouse input devices should go to /dev/input/mouse* |
| 18:54.37 | abrotman | yes |
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| 18:58.18 | monra___ | here again. cat(ed) a file in /dev/ and computer collapsed |
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| 18:59.29 | Msh100 | Hello, does anyone know hot to change the place where APT-get installs applications, I have an EEEPC, and it only has a 2gb HDD so it causes a bit of trouble |
| 18:59.59 | abrotman | how is changing that going to help ? |
| 19:00.09 | Msh100 | I have a SD card in the laptop |
| 19:00.16 | Msh100 | 16gb, far more space avalible |
| 19:00.32 | chops | Msh100: Sounds like you want to reconfigure the filesystems, not apt-get |
| 19:00.51 | Eulex | Msh100, you change your partition setup. perhaps you could use raid between the internnal storage and the sd card ;) |
| 19:01.13 | Msh100 | I aint a pro at this :), could this be achieved without reformat ? |
| 19:01.23 | Eulex | with enough care: yes |
| 19:01.26 | chops | Msh100: It could |
| 19:01.36 | Eulex | but do take backup before attempting it. |
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| 19:01.47 | ricosecada | !compiz |
| 19:01.47 | dpkg | somebody said compiz was a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
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| 19:02.16 | chops | Msh100: cp -a a section of your existing 2GB HDD onto a new filesystem on the SD card, then move that section away (to ~/trash or something) and mount the SD card where that section used to be |
| 19:02.18 | Msh100 | Also, atm, I use the SD card as a symbolic link to my documents. so when i take the card out, I can still get the files on other PCs, will this remain possible ? |
| 19:02.19 | abrotman | he could mount the SD as /usr/ |
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| 19:02.24 | shad0w1e | hey fellas, I've set up snort using basically the default settings yet my logs stay at 0 bytes, in /var/log/snort. What can I possibly be missing? Thanks. |
| 19:02.31 | chops | Msh100: Do it all from single-user mode. Make backups. Be careful. |
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| 19:03.16 | chops | Msh100: If you want to put critical parts of your system on the SD card (which you'll have to do to make apt-get write files to there, in general), the laptop OS installation will no longer function properly if you take out the SD card |
| 19:03.26 | adama | Hi y'all, I have a raid1 array created with mdadm and it keeps failing. I want to scrap it entirely and go with standard /dev/sdb1 and sdc1. How do I do that properly? |
| 19:03.32 | chops | Msh100: Also, make sure the filesystem on the SD card can support Unix-style permissions (i.e. no VFAT) |
| 19:03.42 | chops | adama: How does it keep failing? |
| 19:03.45 | Msh100 | So could I move all the file system over to the SD, and just boot from the card by any chance ? |
| 19:04.12 | chops | Msh100: Probably more difficult, but possible AFAIK |
| 19:04.21 | chops | Msh100: Might be simpler that way if it's possible, yes |
| 19:04.30 | adama | chops: journal_bmap: journal block not found at offset 15372 on md0 |
| 19:04.36 | Msh100 | I know I can boot from SD, if it is setup right |
| 19:04.38 | adama | chops: Aborting journal on device md0. |
| 19:04.50 | chops | adama: What filesystem? |
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| 19:05.06 | adama | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.07 | chops | adama: You haven't been doing anything odd like mounting /dev/sdb1 separately from /dev/md0, have you? |
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| 19:05.14 | adama | chops: no |
| 19:05.19 | chops | adama: What kind of filesystem is /home using? |
| 19:05.32 | adama | chops: ext3 |
| 19:05.52 | monra___ | stew: what does it mean that my psmouse kernel module is loaded? |
| 19:05.56 | chops | adama: I've never heard of such a thing... |
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| 19:06.16 | Msh100 | chops: to boot from the SD, do I just copy all the files from /, to the SD ? |
| 19:06.29 | zinx | Msh100: no |
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| 19:06.43 | Msh100 | Hmmm, wait, that would cause a loop |
| 19:06.48 | adama | chops: do you know how to take down the array entirely with mdadm? |
| 19:07.09 | Msh100 | zinx : you know how :) ? I am a dumb ass if you could tell :D |
| 19:07.18 | chops | adama: You can revert to separate storage by removing /dev/sdc1 from the array, re-setting-up the partitions and filesystem on /dev/sdc1, copying everything from the degraded /dev/md0 to /dev/sdc1, and then destroying the array and making new storage (to be used for whatever you like) on /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:07.22 | chops | adama: Be careful. Make backups. |
| 19:07.30 | zinx | Msh100: i could figure it out if i needed to do it, but i don't know off-hand everything you need to do |
| 19:07.46 | chops | Msh100: I'm not sure how to boot from an SD card |
| 19:07.51 | Msh100 | oKay |
| 19:07.59 | Msh100 | Chops : I think I can in the boot menu actually |
| 19:08.00 | chops | Msh100: Just copying all the files will not be sufficient, though that'll be a necessary step at some point |
| 19:08.30 | Msh100 | chops : I wouldnt have a clue then lol |
| 19:08.41 | Msh100 | looks for articals on eee user |
| 19:08.51 | zinx | chops: i think most SD readers are seen as USB Mass Storage Class devices, which can be booted |
| 19:08.54 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 19:08.54 | dpkg | http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc @ irc.oftc.net |
| 19:10.34 | Msh100 | Ah! may have found an artical |
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| 19:11.24 | stew | monra___: it means that i'd expect both /dev/psmouse and /dev/input/mice to be showing activity when you move your mouse |
| 19:13.02 | monra___ | stew: hm.. maybe because i simple cat(ed) the file cat file because i now show that with just cat i don't get the changes "now" happening to the file |
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| 19:13.43 | stew | monra___: no, cat is the right file. its a character device so its just a stream of characters, its not a file that has contents |
| 19:14.07 | stew | 'cat is the right program' rather |
| 19:14.11 | _gAri- | can someone help me please how to search for all php files under a folder, and then grep in them if they have a special string than output the filename? Normally its easily made with find, but I do not find the clue how to use it right |
| 19:14.37 | stew | _gAri-: find -name \*php | xargs fgrep -l "somestring" |
| 19:15.37 | stew | _gAri-: that searched in the current directory, change "find -name..." to "find /some/other/directory -name..." to search elsewhere |
| 19:16.01 | _gAri- | I see thank you. it is recursive right? |
| 19:16.03 | monra___ | stew: i don't have a psmose file. psaux and mice don't work. maybe any other file names where mouse could be located? |
| 19:16.18 | stew | monra___: oh sorry, i meant psaux, not psmouse |
| 19:16.53 | monra___ | stew: yes psaux didn't work too. also psaux cannot be viewed from normal user. only root so i guess it couldn't be as i use mouse from normal user |
| 19:17.13 | _gAri- | stew: I get 3 answers, than a line like this: xargs: unmatched single quote; by default quotes are special to xargs unless you use the -0 option |
| 19:17.14 | stew | _gAri-: yes, it you don't want recursive, replace the find command with "echo *php" |
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| 19:17.20 | _gAri- | I got this one when I tried myself |
| 19:17.39 | stew | _gAri-: add -print0 to find and add -0 to xargs |
| 19:18.49 | ricosecada | I am trying to install compiz on testing, and I get this "xgl not present". As far as I know, there is no xgl package for Debian. How is this solved? |
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| 19:20.03 | ricosecada | I am using the native nvidia driver by the way |
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| 19:20.17 | _gAri- | stew: like this it works, thanks a lot :) |
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| 19:21.52 | abrotman | ricosecada: does nvidia support aiglx ? |
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| 19:22.04 | abrotman | what is the "native nvidia" driver? |
| 19:22.16 | ricosecada | thats the driver from the nvidia site |
| 19:22.33 | abrotman | i thought that supported aiglx now |
| 19:23.17 | zinx | the "nvidia" driver from nVidia does support aiglx |
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| 19:23.41 | zinx | i don't think the "nv" one from X.org does, however |
| 19:23.43 | chops | ricosecada: You'll get better support from Debian if you install the driver the Debian way, BTW, which is not to download it from nvidia.com (though I'm not sure if the Debian way currently works in testing) |
| 19:23.45 | hark | ricosecada: are you installing compiz which is in debian? |
| 19:23.49 | stew | ricosecada: are you using the debian package of compiz or are you trying to install compiz by some other method? |
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| 19:24.12 | ricosecada | nvidia doesn't work for testing, chops |
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| 19:24.22 | ricosecada | hark, stew, I am using compiz from debian |
| 19:24.53 | chops | ricosecada: And yet you installed it on testing? :-) |
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| 19:25.21 | ricosecada | chops, there is no nvidia package for debian testing |
| 19:25.40 | ricosecada | chops, if you want to run nvidia on testing you install the driver from nvidia.com |
| 19:25.49 | chops | ricosecada: Yes, that was what I meant by "I'm not sure if the Debian way currently works in testing" |
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| 19:26.05 | chops | ricosecada: (I was including the possibility that it had been fixed since the last time I paid attention to it) |
| 19:26.07 | hark | ricosecada: i don't think that's an error |
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| 19:26.48 | abrotman | ricosecada: that's not really what you ahve to do to get that driver .. but it's too late now i suppose |
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| 19:27.40 | sami | Anyone here any good a preseeding? I'v got an preseed that does an unattended install. But it doesn't work unless it's plugged in to the net, it has to verify the apt sources. |
| 19:27.43 | ricosecada | abrotman, I tried using the different known methods, but I was unsuccessful, so I went for the native :-) |
| 19:28.37 | [BT]JaC | hi there, when i try to run something, i get this error: [12:24] Failed (libmysqlclient.so.15: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
| 19:28.37 | [BT]JaC | gaming:~# whereis libmysqlclient.so.15 |
| 19:28.38 | [BT]JaC | libmysqlclient.so: /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.15 |
| 19:28.40 | ricosecada | hark, I was thinking the same, but when I run compiz --replace I get the "error" and the top of my windows disappear (where the button to minimize etc. resides) |
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| 19:29.47 | drwahl | is there any software that can recover files from a partition that has been overwritten? |
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| 19:30.48 | sami | Noone? |
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| 19:31.12 | hark | ricosecada: are you using compiz gnome or kde? |
| 19:31.20 | ricosecada | kde |
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| 19:32.44 | abrotman | ricosecada: well .. that was a mistake |
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| 19:34.18 | ricosecada | abrotman, I don't think so.. gonna try something else.. |
| 19:35.11 | abrotman | he doesn't think so? he'll learn .. HAHAHAHAH |
| 19:35.14 | [BT]JaC | hi there, when i try to run something, i get this error: [12:24] Failed (libmysqlclient.so.15: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
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| 19:35.16 | [BT]JaC | gaming:~# whereis libmysqlclient.so.15 |
| 19:35.20 | [BT]JaC | libmysqlclient.so: /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.15 |
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| 19:36.14 | ricosecada | Got it working now.. I had the Option "AIGLX" set to "on" instead of "true".. copy pasted from some error prone tutorial |
| 19:36.22 | levander | I've got a package that wasn't fully configured correctly on install. What's the command again to go through and configure any broken packages? I thought it was 'dpkg -a'. |
| 19:36.26 | thechef | Are java6 dependencies currently broken in sid or should java6 (jre and sdk) just install? |
| 19:36.40 | abrotman | levander: dpkg -a --configure |
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| 19:38.00 | Ward1983 | ?join #debian-arm |
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| 19:38.06 | abrotman | no? |
| 19:38.11 | levander | abrotman: thanks |
| 19:38.25 | Ward1983 | damn, any channel about the ARM distribution spicifically? |
| 19:38.26 | abrotman | thechef: it's quite likely .. it's called unstable for a reason |
| 19:38.35 | hark | on and true are both correct. anyway, aiglx is enabled by default so that doesn't make a difference at all |
| 19:38.39 | abrotman | !arm |
| 19:38.40 | dpkg | [arm] Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. |
| 19:38.52 | Ward1983 | thanx abrotman |
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| 19:40.17 | Supaplex | atleast they have tls on this ftp server. What's the closest cousin to rsync in the ftp world? |
| 19:40.27 | abrotman | thechef: does it give a reason ? |
| 19:40.34 | abrotman | Supaplex: mget * ? |
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| 19:41.08 | Supaplex | that works for up and down? |
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| 19:41.25 | abrotman | mput ? |
| 19:41.27 | abrotman | it's really not the same |
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| 19:41.34 | vekex | hui people i have a virtual machine with bridged network... i installed apache webserver and i use the real machine as the gw.. ( but i have an internet ip on the virtual machine .. not local ip ) .. I checked the output of phpinfo(); function and i discovered that the value of $_SERVER["REMOTE_ADDR"] is the gateway ip instead of client-ip ... WTF ? |
| 19:41.45 | Supaplex | I'd just assume mount it via ftpfs and throw rsync at it.... |
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| 19:42.06 | Supaplex | vekex: vmware huh? |
| 19:42.45 | vekex | yes |
| 19:42.56 | Supaplex | !vmware |
| 19:42.56 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 19:43.22 | vekex | i think is not a vmware problem |
| 19:43.47 | Supaplex | is the guest configured via dhcp? |
| 19:43.53 | vekex | no |
| 19:43.55 | vekex | static ip |
| 19:44.16 | vekex | you could see it if you want at http://www.splash-boys.com/phpinfo.php |
| 19:44.29 | vekex | the REMOTE_ADDR Value is the gw for that machinge |
| 19:44.31 | vekex | machine |
| 19:44.52 | stew | vekex: how does the gw translate addresses for the webserver? using nat? |
| 19:45.11 | vekex | i think he is not translating at all |
| 19:45.17 | vekex | i only put that as gw |
| 19:45.25 | vekex | and on the gw i didn't do anything |
| 19:45.35 | stew | vekex: how does the gateway machine know to route traffic to this webserver? |
| 19:45.35 | Supaplex | the guest ip is public? |
| 19:45.38 | abrotman | vekex: PHP is putting up the IP that nslookup returns |
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| 19:45.53 | abrotman | vekex: i'd ask #php how PHP determines that IP |
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| 19:45.57 | abrotman | erm .. ##php |
| 19:45.58 | vekex | Supaplex yes |
| 19:46.14 | [BT]JaC | abrotman any idea why a program is not locating the libmysqlclient.so.15 |
| 19:46.16 | [BT]JaC | its there... |
| 19:46.42 | vekex | stew i think because it is in the same subnet? |
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| 19:46.49 | sami | Anyone here any good a preseeding? I'v got an preseed that does an unattended install. But it doesn't work unless it's plugged in to the net, it has to verify the apt sources. |
| 19:46.54 | abrotman | [BT]JaC: use strace .. see where it's looking for it |
| 19:47.00 | [BT]JaC | strace? |
| 19:47.03 | [BT]JaC | how would i do that |
| 19:47.10 | abrotman | strace <command> |
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| 19:47.20 | Ward1983 | any lightweight window managers you can recommend? (to run on a 520Mhz xscale ARM CPU with 128MB RAM) |
| 19:47.23 | [BT]JaC | ok |
| 19:47.35 | [BT]JaC | oh |
| 19:47.39 | [BT]JaC | its a gameserver |
| 19:47.53 | abrotman | Ward1983: black/flux/openbox |
| 19:48.18 | vekex | Sme suggestion boy? |
| 19:48.21 | Supaplex | Ward1983: or flwm |
| 19:48.21 | Ward1983 | abrotman, is openbox something intirely different or also based on the other 2 ? |
| 19:48.41 | abrotman | flux/open are based on blackbox |
| 19:48.43 | Ward1983 | Supaplex, never heard that name before, will google it |
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| 19:49.06 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 19:49.07 | dpkg | it has been said that xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 19:49.10 | vekex | abrotman |
| 19:49.11 | Ward1983 | abrotman, ah ok, i allready tried fluxbox so then it might be better to try something new |
| 19:49.20 | abrotman | vekex: i'd ask #php how PHP determines that IP |
| 19:49.31 | Ward1983 | abrotman, thanx for the nice link! |
| 19:49.33 | hon | when a package is under git (upstream), and needs some debian/patches/*.diff , can we: create a new git branch, apply patches, and then from now on keep rebasing the upstream? |
| 19:49.47 | vekex | The problem is that the ssh has that ip too |
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| 19:50.47 | vekex | every service on the guest has that ip |
| 19:50.56 | vekex | and not the real ip which is communicating.. |
| 19:51.22 | stew | vekex: how did you setup the routing on the gateway? using what commands? |
| 19:51.35 | vekex | stew no routing on the gw |
| 19:51.37 | vekex | simply |
| 19:51.41 | vekex | ifconfig eth0:0 .... |
| 19:51.42 | stew | vekex: there must be |
| 19:52.02 | stew | vekex: how are packets getting routed to the webserver then? |
| 19:52.09 | stew | vekex: nat with iptables? |
| 19:52.11 | Mazingaro | I please I got a problem with 2.6.24-1 + athlon 800 + acpi... When video goes in standby I have to reset machine via ctrl + reqsys + b |
| 19:52.14 | stew | vekex: or is vmware doing it? |
| 19:52.36 | vekex | i think not |
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| 19:53.00 | stew | vekex: ask #vmware |
| 19:53.01 | vekex | http://rafb.net/p/jheF0i13.html |
| 19:53.07 | vekex | this is the routing table of router |
| 19:55.48 | Supaplex | well, vmware complicates things |
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| 19:56.18 | stew | there is NAT going on, if its not from iptables, its a vmware problem |
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| 19:58.37 | vekex | stew |
| 19:58.40 | vekex | it was a nat |
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| 19:58.52 | vekex | i flushed iptables and everything goes on |
| 19:59.00 | vekex | but it is a lot strange |
| 19:59.16 | vekex | because i was natting :80 on a unexistent ip |
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| 19:59.37 | justin | vekex: I thought you said you were bridging? |
| 19:59.44 | vekex | yes |
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| 19:59.53 | justin | vekex: it sure doesn't look like you are bridging |
| 19:59.56 | vekex | but in the past ( 1 days ago ) |
| 19:59.58 | Supaplex | EFAIL |
| 20:00.08 | vekex | i was stupid |
| 20:00.15 | vekex | and i bridged with a subnet :P |
| 20:00.30 | vekex | so the real machine was a gw for a local virtual servers |
| 20:00.33 | Supaplex | uh you bridged a layer three protocol? |
| 20:00.56 | rahsputin | what is the deb repo ( deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main ) for sarge ? |
| 20:01.11 | abrotman | rahsputin: use sarge instead of etch |
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| 20:01.40 | xqj37 | hi |
| 20:02.09 | chell | what's the IP address that means "my entire local network"? |
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| 20:02.22 | chell | I want to tell CUPS to listen to all IPs in my local network |
| 20:02.41 | xqj37 | I have problems removing a package, dpkg doesn't seem to find a file, how can force dpkg to remove it? |
| 20:02.44 | justin | chell: I don't think that is what you mean to ask how to do |
| 20:02.50 | justin | chell: what problem are you having? |
| 20:02.53 | abrotman | xqj37: paste the error somewhere |
| 20:02.58 | chell | oh |
| 20:03.03 | chell | justin: I guess I'm being stupid |
| 20:03.13 | chell | I was wondering why cups wasn't picking up my printer that's shared |
| 20:03.15 | chell | turns out |
| 20:03.21 | chell | both the server and the printer are switched off ;-) |
| 20:03.31 | chell | justin: In the CUPS Server Configuration tool |
| 20:03.33 | abrotman | chell: that usually doesn't work |
| 20:03.44 | chell | do I have to enable Hostname lookups for it to pick it up |
| 20:03.50 | chell | or can I just leave it at its defaults? |
| 20:04.05 | justin | i'd imagine defaults should work |
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| 20:04.08 | xqj37 | http://rafb.net/p/0i7LrF20.html |
| 20:04.42 | abrotman | xqj37: don't force stuff like that .. |
| 20:04.46 | abrotman | xqj37: touch /etc/courier/authdaemonrc |
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| 20:05.29 | chell | also, can I hide a menu from the K-Menu without having to delete the menu item? |
| 20:05.46 | xqj37 | is there really no other way? |
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| 20:06.31 | justin | xqj37: what's wrong with that way? |
| 20:07.29 | xqj37 | doesn't work for the next missing file http://rafb.net/p/N441Cf11.html |
| 20:07.42 | abrotman | STOP FORCING |
| 20:07.53 | abrotman | it's not going to do a damn thing .. and you obviously have screwed something up |
| 20:08.02 | xqj37 | I was nice at first |
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| 20:09.05 | stew | xqj37: you really shouldn't be using --force-anything, certainly not --force-all, from the manpage "Warning: These options are mostly intended to be used by experts only...." i'd recommend short circuiting the init script |
| 20:09.09 | [BT]JaC | abrotman, open("/usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu/i686/sse2/libmysqlclient.so.15", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 20:09.13 | [BT]JaC | thats where its looking |
| 20:09.19 | [BT]JaC | and thats where i copied the file to |
| 20:09.26 | [BT]JaC | but its still not finding it |
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| 20:09.36 | xqj37 | what about reinstalling? |
| 20:09.45 | xqj37 | and removing again |
| 20:10.09 | Eulex | xqj37, apt-get install --reinstall pkgname? |
| 20:10.16 | Absolute0 | Is apache commons a reliable framework to work with? |
| 20:10.26 | stew | xqj37: the things you are missing are conffiles, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 20:10.28 | abrotman | ask #apache |
| 20:10.47 | Absolute0 | TransformedList isn't type checked. |
| 20:10.52 | stew | xqj37: Eulex's command by itself will get you no farter (because part of reinstalling would be starting courier, which is the thing currently failing) |
| 20:10.58 | Absolute0 | And I just implemented my own version |
| 20:11.00 | [BT]JaC | abrotman any idea? |
| 20:11.11 | Absolute0 | I am thinking if it better to use their's/ |
| 20:11.23 | abrotman | [BT]JaC: what program is looking there? |
| 20:11.23 | Absolute0 | Mine is type checked. |
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| 20:11.43 | [BT]JaC | samp022svr |
| 20:11.55 | abrotman | is it in debian? |
| 20:12.06 | [BT]JaC | yes |
| 20:12.10 | [BT]JaC | its looking everywhere |
| 20:12.33 | abrotman | !find samp |
| 20:12.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'samp' (8 of 36): (/usr/bin/resample) in utils/resample ;; (/etc/gonzuirc.sample) in devel/gonzui ;; (/usr/bin/fntsample) in text/fntsample ;; (/etc/ngetty/sample.Conf) in comm/ngetty ;; (/usr/bin/esdsample) in sound/esound-clients ;; (/usr/bin/mincresample) in science/minc-tools ;; (/usr/bin/myisampack) in misc/mysql-server-5.0 ;; (/usr/bin/sasl-sample-client) in utils/sasl2-bin. |
| 20:13.00 | [BT]JaC | its a game server |
| 20:13.10 | abrotman | so it's not in debian |
| 20:13.14 | [BT]JaC | ohh no |
| 20:13.19 | [BT]JaC | sorry i mis understood |
| 20:13.34 | abrotman | i'd ask them why it's looking in goofy places |
| 20:13.48 | [BT]JaC | its looking in a lot of places |
| 20:13.52 | [BT]JaC | eg |
| 20:14.39 | justin | [BT]JaC: you have libmysqlclient15off installed? |
| 20:14.43 | [BT]JaC | yes |
| 20:15.12 | justin | then it should be finding it... what makes you think it isn't? |
| 20:15.13 | [BT]JaC | and libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 20:15.18 | xqj37 | stew: thanks, works now |
| 20:15.19 | [BT]JaC | it tell me it isnt |
| 20:15.24 | justin | it tells you what? |
| 20:15.40 | [BT]JaC | [12:56] Failed (libmysqlclient.so.15: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
| 20:15.40 | [BT]JaC | 20:56Â… [BT]JaC: ohh |
| 20:16.23 | justin | odd |
| 20:16.44 | justin | whats ldd /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so.15 say? |
| 20:16.47 | abrotman | [BT]JaC: which architecture of debian are you using? |
| 20:17.07 | [BT]JaC | etch |
| 20:17.43 | [BT]JaC | ill pastebin it |
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| 20:18.01 | [BT]JaC | http://paste2.org/p/18710 |
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| 20:18.19 | abrotman | [BT]JaC: which architecture of debian are you using? |
| 20:18.31 | [BT]JaC | architecture whats that mean |
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| 20:18.47 | abrotman | [BT]JaC: you're trying to run a 32bit game server(binary only) on a 64bit platform .. i'm not sure if that works |
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| 20:19.34 | [BT]JaC | i have it running on other servers |
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| 20:21.57 | FnordPerfect | Hi there! 'screen' has recently stopped working (for normal users) and I can't fix it. |
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| 20:22.18 | justin | FnordPerfect: ls -l /usr/bin/screen ? |
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| 20:22.38 | Supaplex | oh, so screen <don't work> |
| 20:22.46 | FnordPerfect | it just says /var/run/screen/S-<username>/24739.pts-0.<hostname>: No such file or directory |
| 20:23.11 | justin | FnordPerfect: ls -l /usr/bin/screen /var/run/screen ? |
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| 20:23.15 | justin | er, ls -ld :) |
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| 20:24.21 | FnordPerfect | justin: -rwxr-sr-x 1 root utmp 308228 2007-10-23 18:02 /usr/bin/screen |
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| 20:24.31 | FnordPerfect | drwxrwxr-x 4 root utmp 80 2008-04-03 22:07 /var/run/screen/ |
| 20:25.15 | justin | FnordPerfect: does it work if you delete /var/run/screen/S-<username> ? |
| 20:25.47 | FnordPerfect | no, makes no difference |
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| 20:28.12 | FnordPerfect | justin: what puzzles me is, I can read in 'strace screen' that /var/run/screen is supposed to be mode 777, but when I change it, screen complains that it must be 775 |
| 20:29.59 | stew | FnordPerfect: what do you see that makes you think it is supposed to be 777? |
| 20:30.24 | zinx | methinks someone doesn't understand umasks |
| 20:30.25 | Rat409 | anyone remember the link for etch-install iso w/updated kernel,was in japan iirc? |
| 20:30.38 | stew | Rat409: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 20:30.46 | Rat409 | thanks! :) |
| 20:31.02 | FnordPerfect | stew: well, I'm not a programme. but the last line of the dump says write(1, "Directory \'/var/run/screen\' must"..., 49Directory '/var/run/screen' must have mode 777. |
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| 20:32.29 | chell | if I install ntfs-3g will I automatically get rw access to an NTFS partition in KDE? |
| 20:32.38 | stew | FnordPerfect: it only needs to be 775 becuase screen is sgid utmp |
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| 20:35.27 | FnordPerfect | stew: well, ok then. I changed it back, but this didn't fix it anyway.. |
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| 20:36.17 | stew | FnordPerfect: you don't have partitions mounted as nosuid or anything, do you? |
| 20:36.19 | Supaplex | purge + reinstall ftw? |
| 20:37.54 | chell | I've got ntfs-3g installed, how can I set it to auto-mount on boot/login? |
| 20:38.12 | Supaplex | with fstab |
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| 20:38.31 | FnordPerfect | stew: umh.. you're right.. /var/run is mounted nosuid (this is kubuntu I'm on, I didn't change these fstab entries) |
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| 20:38.55 | FnordPerfect | stew: and it worked until an hour ago |
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| 20:39.06 | kim0 | Hello, whenever I do "/etc/init.d/squid start", I get "/etc/init.d/squid: line 18: /lib/lsb/init-functions: No such file or directory" Any help ? |
| 20:39.17 | chops | FnordPerfect: Please talk to Ubuntu for support for Ubuntu |
| 20:39.26 | Supaplex | FnordPerfect: maybe it's time to install debian ;) |
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| 20:39.52 | stew | kim0: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:39.56 | kim0 | sarge |
| 20:40.10 | Supaplex | wahou, time to upgrade ;) |
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| 20:40.14 | kim0 | :) |
| 20:40.15 | stew | !depends squid sarge |
| 20:40.16 | chell | Supaplex: are there any examples out there how I might do this for debian or will this work? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=598527 |
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| 20:40.22 | dpkg | squid: pre-depends on debconf (>= 1.2.9) |
| 20:40.37 | stew | kim0: what version of squid do you have installed? |
| 20:40.46 | kim0 | how do I check |
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| 20:41.10 | kim0 | sorry, I spend more time on redhat than debian :/ |
| 20:41.13 | FnordPerfect | chops: probably. I was hoping to get more competent advices here, Ubuntu is more of a desktop-distro after all.. |
| 20:41.34 | Supaplex | chell: a line like this: /dev/device /mounted/where ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 or man fstab for the glorfied details. |
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| 20:41.41 | stew | kim0: "apt-cache policy squid" will tell you in the Installed: line |
| 20:41.57 | chops | FnordPerfect: We can be as competent as anything, but if the problem you're describing doesn't exist in Debian, it's going to upset people when they discover that after 10 minutes of helping you |
| 20:42.04 | kim0 | stew: 2.5.9-10sarge2 |
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| 20:42.45 | stew | !find lib/lsb/init-functions sarge |
| 20:42.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lib/lsb/init-functions' (1): (/lib/lsb/init-functions) in misc/lsb-base. |
| 20:42.53 | chell | Supaplex: does it matter where I mount it to? |
| 20:43.03 | chell | is it /media or /mnt |
| 20:43.04 | Supaplex | generally, no |
| 20:43.12 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.14 | chell | okay |
| 20:43.33 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.33 | stew | kim0: you could install lsb-base. however it is odd that the squid init script would be calling that without depending on lsb-base (which it does in etch). makes me think that you might have the wrong init.d script |
| 20:43.58 | kim0 | perhaps the file was deleted or something |
| 20:44.03 | kim0 | I got this from another admin |
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| 20:45.12 | kim0 | lsb-base was not installed! |
| 20:45.18 | chell | Supaplex: I now get a permissions denied error |
| 20:45.20 | stew | kim0: then you got the wrong file from another admin |
| 20:45.23 | chell | Supaplex: I used your line |
| 20:45.38 | FnordPerfect | chops: well, ok, thanks. I'll try it there. I was hoping both distros would be similar enough under the hood. bye |
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| 20:45.47 | kim0 | stew: You suggest I reinstall squid from sarge repos ? |
| 20:46.04 | kim0 | stew: but squid's version says sarge |
| 20:46.08 | stew | kim0: if it works with lsb-base you might as well leave it for now |
| 20:46.15 | kim0 | ah ok |
| 20:46.23 | stew | kim0: you should upgrade to etch. support for sarge ends in less than a week |
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| 20:47.08 | kim0 | This server will be re-installed yes |
| 20:47.18 | chell | how do I view the output of that boot thing again? |
| 20:47.19 | kim0 | I just need to get some stuff off of it |
| 20:47.30 | kim0 | mmm ... how do I change mirrors |
| 20:47.40 | kim0 | apt-get is stalling on ftp://ftp.uk.debian.org |
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| 20:48.40 | subsume|work | Does anyone know if http://www.sphinxsearch.com/downloads.html is available via apt? |
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| 20:49.18 | stew | kim0: edit /etc/apt/sources.list ; (man sources.list) make sure your sources are pointing at 'sarge' not 'stable' |
| 20:49.35 | stew | kim0: you should use http://ftp.uk.debian.org unless you have a good reason for using ftp: instead |
| 20:49.45 | kim0 | okie thanks :) |
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| 20:50.04 | stew | kim0: and '/msg dpkg mirrors' for a list of alternate mirrors |
| 20:50.13 | kim0 | perfect |
| 20:50.18 | kim0 | loves bots :) |
| 20:50.24 | stew | !love kim0 |
| 20:50.24 | dpkg | makes love to kim0, caressing kim0's hair, whispering sweet nothings in kim0's ear... |
| 20:50.55 | kim0 | oh .. that almost turned me on :) |
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| 20:52.51 | kim0 | perfect .. lsb-base got squid up .. off for testing it |
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| 20:53.10 | kim0 | apt-get is a speed daemon ... yum is a slow turtle |
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| 20:53.29 | stew | aptitude is somehwere in the middle but smarter than both |
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| 20:55.36 | abrotman | stew is a bot? |
| 20:55.41 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:55.53 | kim0 | hehe |
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| 20:56.13 | kim0 | mmm .. how do I test squid is functional! Debian tools seem to ignore HTTP_PROXY ?! |
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| 20:57.00 | blubberdiblub | w3m should honor the env variables |
| 20:57.01 | justin | kim0: it's http_proxy |
| 20:57.17 | kim0 | oops .. testing |
| 20:57.32 | kim0 | what's w3m |
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| 20:57.37 | wuxia | how do I unp;ack a *.deb? (not install it ... I wnat to unpack it / modify it / repack it) |
| 20:57.52 | justin | wuxia: ar, tar |
| 20:57.55 | blubberdiblub | kim0: w3m is a text mode browser |
| 20:57.59 | wuxia | a *.deb is just a *.tar file ? |
| 20:58.03 | stew | wuxia: man dpkg-deb |
| 20:58.09 | kim0 | ah .. as in elinks .. ok |
| 20:58.24 | stew | wuxia: its a .ar archive with multiple .tars but you should use higher level tools like dpkg or dpkg-deb |
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| 20:58.42 | kim0 | w3b should have been much cooler than w3m :) lame |
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| 21:00.26 | wuxia | dpkg-deb: failed to open package info file `tst//DEBIAN/control' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 21:00.33 | wuxia | this is after doing a dpkgdeb -x blah.dev tst |
| 21:00.36 | blubberdiblub | kim0: well, the 3 is not meant as in leet-speek. it means to repeat the w that many times |
| 21:00.45 | wuxia | and the trying to packagage it back up tiwht dpkg-deb -b |
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| 21:01.00 | kim0 | blubberdiblub: and the m |
| 21:01.14 | suwro | hello |
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| 21:01.38 | blubberdiblub | kim0: multilingual, maybe. but i'm just guessing |
| 21:01.53 | kim0 | blubberdiblub: is it more advanced than elinks |
| 21:01.55 | stew | kim0: m == miru |
| 21:02.16 | blubberdiblub | kim0: it is different :) |
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| 21:02.33 | stew | kim0: it means "see the www" in japanese, it was written originally as a japanese text based browser |
| 21:02.37 | suwro | i need a little help on bash script - I want to parse a log - but date lower than 10 has 2 spaces instead one on date - I've tried DATE=$(date +"%b %e") but the result has only one space... can somebody please guide me? |
| 21:03.22 | kim0 | stew: Thanks :) |
| 21:03.22 | suwro | date lower than 10 - what I mean is day lower than 10 - 1-9 has 2 spaces between month and day. |
| 21:03.52 | suwro | /j# bash |
| 21:03.54 | suwro | oops |
| 21:05.06 | stew | !w3m |
| 21:05.07 | dpkg | [w3m] don't use w3m on powerpc, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/debian-security-announce-2001/msg00087.html (DSA 081-2) |
| 21:05.13 | stew | that's a little out-dated |
| 21:05.41 | subsume|work | is checkinstall not available in later versions of debian? |
| 21:06.27 | stew | !no w3m is an advanced text based web browser that supports mouse clicks, tabbed browsing, image rendering, ssl. w3m stands for "see the www" in japanese. when you pronounce w3m, it doesn't rhyme with "pteranodon". |
| 21:06.27 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 21:07.43 | Eulex | subsume|work, it's available in testing and unstable, but not in etch |
| 21:07.56 | subsume|work | Eulex: hmm... have something calling for it. |
| 21:08.08 | DirkGently | stew: how do you pronounce w3m TO sound like 'pterandodon'? |
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| 21:08.13 | Eulex | subsume|work, what? |
| 21:08.15 | DirkGently | -d |
| 21:08.21 | subsume|work | Eulex: http://sphinxsearch.com/wiki/doku.php?id=sphinx_on_debian_gnu_linux |
| 21:08.39 | stew | DirkGently: you do NOT, please see the faq: http://www.w3m.org/FAQ.html#general |
| 21:08.59 | amphi | heh |
| 21:09.08 | Eulex | !tell subsume|work about backport |
| 21:09.59 | subsume|work | Eulex: I'm not really sure what to do with that info. It doesn't seem to be available on apt |
| 21:10.15 | Eulex | subsume|work, so backport it, or find a backport of it |
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| 21:10.27 | DirkGently | stew: why not say "it doesn't sound like brontosaurus"? seems superfluous |
| 21:10.41 | subsume|work | DirkGently: don't let them toy with you anymore =) |
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| 21:11.12 | stew | DirkGently: well, whether or not it is pronouced like a brontosaurus is aparantly not a frequently asked question |
| 21:11.43 | jelly-home | stew: he's taking a holistic perspective. |
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| 21:12.33 | DirkGently | I'm wondering who thinks it would rhyme with pteranodon. lol |
| 21:12.46 | chell | right I'd better get going... thanks for all the help... bye |
| 21:13.10 | DirkGently | wwwm doesn't... double-u-three-em doesn't |
| 21:13.31 | stew | DirkGently: correct. now you are getting it |
| 21:13.36 | jelly-home | DirkGently: this is an upstream issue, not debian's |
| 21:13.54 | hark | DirkGently: brontosaurus is deprecated, it's apatosaurus now ;) |
| 21:14.05 | DirkGently | hark: lol |
| 21:14.30 | DirkGently | is that because Adam got it wrong when he named it? |
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| 21:17.28 | kim0 | mm .. we're suspecting our ISP is constricting our server's bandwidth. Someone suggested I do a "bandwidth monitor" tool, that can on-demand measure our current download speed, that people can monitor over a web-browser or MRTG. Personally, I have no clue what to do :) any ideas ? |
| 21:18.04 | DirkGently | kim0: are you using bittorrent or other p2p? |
| 21:18.18 | abrotman | kim0: depending on your ISP, they have tools to track(you just request a login) |
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| 21:19.27 | kim0 | I was thinking something that downloads some files from Google perhaps, and measure the actual download speed |
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| 21:19.45 | abrotman | kim0: google "bandwidth test" |
| 21:19.47 | DirkGently | you can check at speedtest.net |
| 21:20.15 | kim0 | I hope some text mode browser can handle that :) |
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| 21:20.24 | subsume|work | thanks. |
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| 21:21.18 | DirkGently | what is with everyone wanting to use text mode all the time? |
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| 21:21.47 | DirkGently | I love the console, but I live in the GUI |
| 21:22.08 | kim0 | it's a server .. this is something that needs to be automated somehow |
| 21:22.15 | amphi | I use X much of the time, but mostly I'm in a term in any case |
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| 21:22.43 | DirkGently | amphi: me too.. I only use vi to edit files |
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| 21:23.11 | kim0 | speedtest.net is seriously cool ;) |
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| 21:23.50 | DirkGently | kim0: I use it all the time whenever I suspect Virgin's restricted my bandwidth |
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| 21:25.16 | my007ms | why some use ubuntu and not debian ? |
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| 21:25.27 | Pinaraf | Hi |
| 21:25.50 | Pinaraf | I need OpenSSH >= 4.4p1 on my debian stable server, what is the cleanest way to get it ? |
| 21:25.55 | Pinaraf | I didn't find it in the backports |
| 21:26.08 | mavhc | DirkGently: if you dl at max speed from 4pm you get limited for 5 hours, but get to dl more than if you try to keep within the limits |
| 21:26.09 | Bushmills | my007ms: some want latest drivers but are discouraged from using sid |
| 21:26.27 | Pinaraf | and the debian testing & sid are depending on libc6 2.7 so I can't install them directly |
| 21:26.38 | ttyS1 | I'm trying to run vsftpd with iptables enables. I'm able to stablish an ftp connection but it wont list the files. I know there is a package that needs to be installed to correct this. Does any one know what package that is |
| 21:26.45 | kim0 | any ideas how to automate testing with speedtest.net ?! |
| 21:26.48 | Supaplex | !tell pinaraf -about simple sid backport |
| 21:26.58 | DirkGently | mavhc: I used to play online games a lot... really hit my lag time |
| 21:26.58 | my007ms | Bushmills, so every thing valid in debian is valid in ubuntu. |
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| 21:27.08 | Bushmills | my007ms: no |
| 21:27.13 | Pinaraf | Supaplex: thanks |
| 21:27.16 | Supaplex | ttyS1: don't forget connection tracking |
| 21:27.39 | mavhc | DirkGently: most annoying part is having to change the BT upload speed |
| 21:28.08 | DirkGently | my007ms: Ubuntu developers tweak the unstable stuff to get it to work with Ubuntu |
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| 21:28.48 | tahacalypse | hi all |
| 21:28.56 | tahacalypse | I have some questions about Xen |
| 21:29.13 | tahacalypse | I'm using a kernel grsec on 2.6.19 |
| 21:29.24 | tahacalypse | and I want to patch it with Xen |
| 21:29.30 | DirkGently | I have problems with Ubuntu.. they tweak stuff that doesn't need tweaking |
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| 21:29.34 | tahacalypse | it is possible ? |
| 21:29.43 | tahacalypse | with the kernel version 2.6.19 ? |
| 21:29.44 | ttyS1 | Supaplex: do I have to use something like this? modprobe ip_conntrack_ftp ports=21,50021 |
| 21:30.02 | Supaplex | ttyS1: no, more like iptables -m something .... |
| 21:30.49 | my007ms | DirkGently, i am newly switch to debian from from redhat/fedora but i face the problem that debian have quit old stuff. there is some advice me to use testing version but i am not sure if i need to end up with broken system :) |
| 21:30.55 | ttyS1 | hum |
| 21:31.30 | chops | my007ms: What newer stuff do you need? You can always install backports on a stable system |
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| 21:31.49 | my007ms | chops, Gnome for example |
| 21:31.49 | DirkGently | my007ms: you won't have many problems with testing |
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| 21:32.00 | chops | my007ms: What out of the newer gnome do you need? |
| 21:32.06 | DirkGently | I've not come across any |
| 21:32.21 | chops | my007ms: Or is this "need" in the sense of "But I NEED a cookie! RIGHT NOW!" :-) |
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| 21:32.38 | my007ms | chops, it's very small thing but i really use it much mini-commander :D |
| 21:32.52 | kim0 | Is it possible to write some script that provides data over snmp ? |
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| 21:33.34 | my007ms | chops, look like i need cookie! hehe |
| 21:34.15 | my007ms | chops, xchat i need to minimize it in try and alarm stuff |
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| 21:34.38 | smokan | Is it hard to install debian(from ubuntu) witout cd? |
| 21:35.10 | b1f30 | hey all - i'm trying to do 'aptitude install mail-server' but i keep getting errors 'hostname: Uknown host' |
| 21:35.11 | FelipeSouza | Can i do the popularity-contest only send the installed packages, and not the access times of them? How? My filesystem is mounted as noatime, and popcon will be receiving wrong results if i activated it. |
| 21:35.45 | kim0 | b1f30: give the machine a correct hostname pointed to by DNS (possibly as an MX as well) |
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| 21:36.16 | b1f30 | kim0: this is just a debian box using dhcp - hostname boggle |
| 21:36.17 | my007ms | where can i search backports deb |
| 21:36.47 | kim0 | b1f30: how do you suspect a mail server would work on a dhcp workstation |
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| 21:36.52 | chops | my007ms: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages |
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| 21:37.00 | b1f30 | kim0: it's for local delivery only |
| 21:37.05 | chops | my007ms: For some reason it doesn't like searching for 'gnome', which is what I'm currently doing |
| 21:37.08 | kim0 | oh! |
| 21:37.10 | embkas | I want to install kernel 2.6.24 - can anyone tell me how I do that? |
| 21:37.19 | b1f30 | :-) |
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| 21:37.30 | kim0 | b1f30: does the command "hostname" return localhost ? |
| 21:37.36 | b1f30 | kim0: no - boggle |
| 21:38.01 | kim0 | b1f30: is localhost found at /etc/hosts besides 127.0.0.1 |
| 21:38.11 | b1f30 | kim0: no |
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| 21:38.18 | kim0 | that's usually bad |
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| 21:38.28 | Decepticon | what is a reason debian people will give me that debian > ubuntu? |
| 21:38.32 | TuxCrafter | hi everybody |
| 21:38.46 | FelipeSouza | embkas, it doesn't appears to have the image in repository, so: install the package linux-source-2.6.24 and build it |
| 21:39.00 | FelipeSouza | embkas: but doesn't remove your old kernel |
| 21:39.02 | chops | !tell Decepticon about why debian |
| 21:39.07 | b1f30 | Decepticon: debian is the workhorse - ubuntu is the red-headed stepchild ;-) |
| 21:39.10 | chops | !start a distro war |
| 21:39.11 | dpkg | Ubuntu is an ancient African word meaning 'I can't configure Debian'. |
| 21:39.16 | Decepticon | who doesnt like gingers |
| 21:39.21 | Decepticon | hahaa |
| 21:39.29 | TuxCrafter | is there an easy whey to see if an user user can run a program with sudo rights without needing a password |
| 21:40.33 | embkas | FelipeSouza: does it remove my old kernel? |
| 21:40.45 | chops | my007ms: mini-commander is Copyright (C) 1998... what version of Debian stable are you using that's older than that? :-) |
| 21:40.49 | chops | my007ms: Or am I missing something? |
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| 21:41.20 | FelipeSouza | embkas: no, it doesn't, you can have both |
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| 21:41.29 | sandman | Anyone know why GNOME's CPU scaling applet would tell me it's not supported on my system, when yet I know that it is? |
| 21:41.48 | sandman | The proper /proc files are there, too. |
| 21:41.50 | my007ms | chops, /etc/debian_version 4.o |
| 21:42.15 | embkas | FelipeSouza: ok, thanks |
| 21:42.31 | hark | sandman: what's the exact message? |
| 21:42.40 | Bushmills | my007ms: there is also EtchAndAHalf, which supposedly takes also care of more recent gnome for etch, among others. |
| 21:43.03 | Bushmills | but i have no idea how far progressed that project is. |
| 21:43.07 | FelipeSouza | embkas: nop |
| 21:43.13 | my007ms | chops, when i right click in panel and add to panel i can not find it there |
| 21:44.12 | my007ms | Bushmills, from the start and i face problem with gnome. if i use aptitude with any case it's remove Gnome i have to use apt-get all the time |
| 21:44.29 | FelipeSouza | my007ms: i'm not pretty sure, but i think if you add it to panel, and call it from terminal, the error messages will go to terminal |
| 21:44.42 | Bushmills | my007ms: have you discovered dselect yet? |
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| 21:45.16 | chops | my007ms: I don't see any files with mini-commander in the name (beyond some themes icons) either in etch or sid... do you know that mini-commander is included in more recent versions of gnome in Debian? |
| 21:45.18 | my007ms | Bushmills, no |
| 21:45.53 | chops | my007ms: What version of Debian do you run? Did you upgrade from an earlier version, or do a fresh install? |
| 21:46.03 | my007ms | chops, no was use it in fedora core 6 which is old now but it's have more newer version form Gnome |
| 21:46.18 | my007ms | chops, now i use debian 4.0 |
| 21:46.21 | sandman | Why is it that when I prelink a binary, then strip it, then prelink -u it, it gives me this error message?: /usr/sbin/prelink.bin: ./civclient: Section .interp created after prelinking |
| 21:46.37 | my007ms | chops, it's fresh install |
| 21:47.11 | chops | my007ms: Can you pastebin the exact command you run and the full output of aptitude when aptitude tries to uninstall gnome? |
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| 21:48.21 | chops | my007ms: I don't know what's going on with mini-commander. I wouldn't automatically assume that the problem is that etch is too old to include it, though; it's been in gnome for apparently quite some time AFAICT |
| 21:49.47 | my007ms | chops, now it's not try to remove full gnome. but it's try to remove for example gnome-system-tools |
| 21:49.55 | my007ms | Building tag database... Done |
| 21:49.55 | my007ms | The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: |
| 21:49.55 | my007ms | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:50.01 | chops | my007ms: Not paste |
| 21:50.03 | chops | my007ms: pastebin |
| 21:50.06 | chops | !tell my007ms about pastebin |
| 21:50.28 | chops | my007ms: Is that the full output? Those four packages are being removed? |
| 21:50.54 | my007ms | i will pastebin full output now |
| 21:51.28 | my007ms | chops, http://pastebin.ca/970209 |
| 21:51.45 | my007ms | yesterday it was try to remove full Gnome |
| 21:52.04 | amphi | how discerning of it |
| 21:52.07 | my007ms | i don't know what is happen today it's try to remove only gnome-system-tools |
| 21:52.21 | chops | my007ms: You can answer that Y/n prompt with: +gnome-system-tools +unzip +zip |
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| 21:52.28 | chops | my007ms: ... if you'd rather keep those packages installed |
| 21:52.32 | streuner | <some IP> - - [03/Apr/2008:23:45:49 +0200] "GET <some file> HTTP/1.1" 200 44 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; de-AT; rv:1.7.7)" |
| 21:52.45 | chops | streuner: Nice |
| 21:52.49 | streuner | Wth use Warp nowadys? |
| 21:52.49 | amphi | streuner: heheh |
| 21:53.05 | chops | streuner: Whoever it is, they don't give up easily :-) |
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| 21:53.12 | themill | streuner: nice |
| 21:53.15 | streuner | chops: hehe :-) |
| 21:53.24 | my007ms | chops, do u have mini-command in applet list when u try to add it in panel ? |
| 21:53.54 | chops | my007ms: (a) I don't use gnome (b) I'm presently on a Windows machine at work, not my Debian machine at home |
| 21:54.53 | rakeleer | So, I'm trying to colorize some logs created by php's fopen/fwrite process. This 4.2gb file is a couple of years old. The beginning of the file parses fine with things like loco and lwatch, but toward the end of the file, it does not. It's the weirdest thing. Using tail > newfile, it still doesn't parse. cat newfile|loco gets me zero output. But if I do the same with head > newfile; cat newfle|loco it parses fine. Vim with :set list shows no diff |
| 21:54.58 | streuner | chops: could be a fake too... (privoxy for example) |
| 21:55.21 | chops | streuner: Yeah, with someone with an odd sense of humor |
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| 21:55.40 | streuner | chops: well, some people still use it |
| 21:56.09 | my007ms | chops, thanks for ur time :) |
| 21:56.28 | chops | my007ms: Considering Fedora Core 6 was apparently released in 2006-10, and etch in 2007-04, I'm inclined to doubt that the problem is that etch is too old to support what you're doing |
| 21:56.33 | Supaplex | rakeleer: try split, chop the problem down into smaller pieces |
| 21:56.37 | chops | my007ms: np |
| 21:56.44 | Orion_X11 | Could you try to load this page > http://www.emtu.sp.gov.br/ I've tried to load it for some days now and I can't. Is there any problem with my connection or any blockage in this site or it does not accept Linux? |
| 21:56.45 | Bushmills | i'm busy on a project which is also compiled to OS/2. one of the co-devs is OS/2 user. |
| 21:57.07 | rakeleer | Supaplex: That would be very different than tail or head to copy into different files? |
| 21:57.13 | streuner | chops: i personally used Warp with a 486/66 or such, its was just too slow with 8 MB RAM, nowadays it would be plenty of Gigs |
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| 21:57.21 | Bushmills | i suppose he likes Presentation Manager |
| 21:57.22 | my007ms | chops, but if fact my fedora have newer version from Gnome :( but it's not that big problem |
| 21:57.55 | Supaplex | rakeleer: if you're reinventing split, now's the time to read up on it. (small, easy to grok. man split) |
| 21:58.01 | my007ms | chops, i am need to use something new i am use Linux for so many years now and feel shame coz i never deal with any deb system :) |
| 21:58.25 | rakeleer | Supaplex I didn't want to molest the continuing log. |
| 21:58.43 | Bushmills | my007ms: i suppose you know about stable, testing, unstable? |
| 21:58.46 | rakeleer | Supaplex: I've stopped the process writing to it, I'll see if that does anything different. |
| 21:59.00 | Bushmills | or, etch, lenny and sid, as we have them now |
| 21:59.07 | my007ms | Bushmills, yes |
| 21:59.08 | Supaplex | rakeleer: you can split it out as a copy |
| 21:59.22 | smoke_ | anyone here familiar setting up their nameserver for a registered domain? |
| 22:00.00 | rakeleer | Supaplex: No, same results as copy pieces of the file, as expected. Thanks, though. |
| 22:00.01 | my007ms | Bushmills, thinking abut lenny but not sure how much stable it will be i don't need to use fully testing system |
| 22:00.13 | Bushmills | my007ms: debian is free including freedom of choice what version one uses. even if the channel doesn't seem to approve :) |
| 22:00.29 | my007ms | hehehe |
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| 22:00.49 | Bushmills | my007ms: lenny is usually pretty much without problems. |
| 22:00.53 | my007ms | up till now i am happy with debian much ;) |
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| 22:02.13 | Bushmills | but there are updates, frequently. which makes lenny less suited for officeplace, for example. or servers. those environment where one wants a machine to simply run. |
| 22:02.25 | my007ms | Bushmills, sure u miss some rpm command but this coz i was used to with time i am sure i will be more familiar with deb plus i think debian developing environment is more organize |
| 22:02.44 | Bushmills | but for a home user desktop system i'd say lenny is quite suited. |
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| 22:03.34 | Bushmills | you're not suffering losses in the millions when a package doesn't work for limited time |
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| 22:03.48 | my007ms | Bushmills, what irc client u use if u not mind ? |
| 22:04.07 | Bushmills | right now .. pidgin |
| 22:04.20 | Bushmills | not specifically an IRC client |
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| 22:04.44 | Bushmills | multi protocol instant messenger |
| 22:04.48 | themill | Bushmills: recommending lenny to an obviously inexperienced and struggling user is not something that we normally do. |
| 22:04.50 | my007ms | :) i need any one can be minimize in try as this version from xchat don't :D |
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| 22:05.14 | Bushmills | themill: i know. but my007ms is not new to linux. just to debian |
| 22:05.25 | my007ms | yes |
| 22:05.42 | my007ms | i work as full time Linux admin/developing |
| 22:05.55 | my007ms | LPI level tow and RHCE |
| 22:06.28 | themill | ok, fair call then... just know that testing is a moving target and that it's a pain in the arse when something that worked yesterday stops working tomorrow because the format of the config file changed or something. |
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| 22:07.28 | my007ms | Bushmills, when u have time give Fedora try u will lose noting ;) |
| 22:07.32 | Bushmills | !meta |
| 22:07.50 | Bushmills | !ask > smoke_ |
| 22:08.06 | themill | !tell smoke_ about ask |
| 22:08.29 | Bushmills | thanks |
| 22:08.32 | themill | Bushmills: that syntax doesn't work on dpkg :) |
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| 22:10.01 | Tailsfan | Is there a installer for Debian that installs in a disk image like Ubuntu's Wubi |
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| 22:10.26 | b1f30 | what's a wubi - is it a precious gem owned by elmer fudd? |
| 22:10.42 | Msh100 | Windows ubuntu installer |
| 22:10.43 | Tailsfan | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wubi |
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| 22:11.28 | themill | It's nice until it breaks and you lose everything.... Good for trying ubuntu out but not good for keeping your precious documents within it. |
| 22:11.58 | Tailsfan | Well, I'm not that good with partitioning, the last time I did that I messed up my Windows Partition |
| 22:11.58 | ringo999 | something went wrong with my apache2 instalation using aptitude: i get the message that /etc/apache2/apache2.conf could not be found. What to do, how to reinstall from scratch so conf files are recreated? (already tried uninstall/purge -> install) |
| 22:12.17 | chops | my007ms: All I'm telling you is that I do not believe that a newer version of Debian will necessarily solve your problem with mini-commander |
| 22:12.29 | Tailsfan | and all my important stuff is in my Windows Side |
| 22:12.44 | themill | !tell ringo999 about confmiss |
| 22:13.09 | b1f30 | testing |
| 22:13.13 | chops | my007ms: If you really feel that you want a newer version, then you can install testing and accept the increased difficulty... but if you still don't have mini-commander, you should not upgrade to sid and then experimental :-) |
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| 22:13.45 | vvd | where can i check if a package is planned to be added for lenny? |
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| 22:13.59 | vvd | supported |
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| 22:14.06 | vvd | default |
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| 22:14.30 | vvd | nm, doesnt matter :P |
| 22:14.39 | themill | vvd: packages.debian.org has links "developer information" |
| 22:14.50 | vvd | meta tracker is very cool |
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| 22:15.06 | vvd | lenny should enable that one per default imo |
| 22:15.44 | vvd | i should write a "a package per day" story about it :) |
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| 22:16.16 | themill | vvd: do so! You'll make the debaday people very happy |
| 22:17.26 | vvd | themill: hehe, ill think about it |
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| 22:18.20 | ricosecada | !xwinwrap |
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| 22:20.03 | ricosecada | I am trying to figure out, how to get this really cool matrix thing going for compiz.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=kYgV2GlsufI |
| 22:20.19 | DexterF | hi |
| 22:21.56 | DexterF | ricosecada: ok, admitted. this is cool. |
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| 22:22.12 | DexterF | actually this moment I'm trying to figure how to install compiz on etch/kde at all. |
| 22:22.37 | DexterF | ati+3d are working. (so one likes to call fglrx "working"...) |
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| 22:22.56 | Supaplex | !compiz |
| 22:22.56 | dpkg | i guess compiz is a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 22:23.43 | DexterF | already had a look there but it doesn't really provide much useful info. I'm looking for a deb line for sources and a howto, to be honest. |
| 22:24.10 | craigevil | DexterF: what release are you running? |
| 22:24.17 | DexterF | craigevil: etch |
| 22:24.22 | DexterF | r3, precisely |
| 22:24.22 | ricosecada | DexterF, I just installed it on testing |
| 22:25.30 | DexterF | ricosecada: from src or debs? |
| 22:26.15 | my007ms | Bushmills, have stable version ? |
| 22:26.30 | vvd | is there a "pixelerror" test application for TFTs? |
| 22:26.38 | my007ms | chops, i am try to make sure it's not my wrong first ;) |
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| 22:27.19 | DexterF | vvd: somehow generate a red, blue, green and white screen and take a close look. basically all you can do. |
| 22:27.42 | ricosecada | DexterF, from debs |
| 22:28.04 | DexterF | ricosecada: ah, there are debs in testing. well, I'll check backports else it's gcc time |
| 22:28.05 | amphi | vvd: you can do it easily yourself; just make your screen 0x000000, 0xffffff, 0xff0000, 0x00ff00, and 0x0000ff in succession, and you should see any stuck or dead pixels |
| 22:29.08 | vvd | DexterF, amphi: somehow? |
| 22:29.20 | vvd | made a script for that? |
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| 22:29.30 | chops | vvd: xsetroot perhaps? |
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| 22:29.34 | vvd | hmm |
| 22:29.39 | vvd | :> |
| 22:29.48 | DexterF | vvd: well, dunno. make some gifs, encode them to a vid and play them with mplayer fullscreen :) |
| 22:29.52 | phatmonkey | where's xen-linux-system gone from lenny? http://wiki.debian.org/Xen seems to imply it's there |
| 22:29.58 | chops | DexterF: No no no |
| 22:30.06 | DexterF | chops: too easy? |
| 22:30.30 | chops | DexterF: xsetroot |
| 22:31.21 | DexterF | chops: oh, ok. |
| 22:31.30 | DexterF | too easy ;) |
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| 22:33.57 | adama | # mdadm /dev/md0 --remove /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:33.57 | adama | mdadm: hot remove failed for /dev/sdb1: Device or resource busy |
| 22:34.22 | adama | I don't see how it is busy though |
| 22:34.35 | adama | md0 is unmounted, lsof shows nothing |
| 22:35.17 | chops | adama: Maybe stop the array? (I'm a bit rusty on mdadm) |
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| 22:36.04 | chops | adama: Oh, you may need to fail the device first |
| 22:36.05 | adama | I did 'mdadm /dev/md0 --stop' and it didn't say anything, still same result for the --remove |
| 22:36.18 | adama | chops: fail the device? |
| 22:36.24 | chops | adama: mdadm -f |
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| 22:36.44 | chops | adama: See man mdadm ("To remove an active device, it must be marked as faulty first.") |
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| 22:37.18 | adama | ahhhha it worked I think |
| 22:37.25 | adama | mdadm: hot removed /dev/sdb1 |
| 22:37.45 | chops | adama: Rockin' |
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| 22:40.38 | thechef | How can I delete a pending printing job, that I didn't start? |
| 22:41.01 | thechef | that someone else started |
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| 22:42.00 | grilled-cheese | thechef, have you tried going into the cups web interface? |
| 22:42.09 | themill | thechef: if you log in to the cups admin page as root you can do that (http://localhost:631/admin). Alternatively "man cancel" and run it as root |
| 22:42.10 | Bushmills | tried lprm ? |
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| 22:47.18 | thechef | grilled-cheese: i thanks, i could cancel them through the webpage |
| 22:47.21 | thechef | but there is a problem |
| 22:47.24 | thechef | it's still printing |
| 22:47.59 | Bushmills | printer buffer. not affected by canceling the task. task may be gone from the spooler already |
| 22:48.02 | themill | thechef: the bits that have already been sent to the printer will probably keep coming |
| 22:48.28 | thechef | These are thousands of pages |
| 22:48.29 | grilled-cheese | thechef, try turning on and off the printer |
| 22:48.33 | thechef | okay |
| 22:48.35 | thechef | thanks |
| 22:48.37 | grilled-cheese | that should clear the buffer |
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| 22:55.02 | jpieper | I just upgraded to xorg 7.3 and can't figure out how to preserve my xrandr settings across xserver restarts! Do I need to create a script to run them at startup, or is there some better way? |
| 22:55.41 | gravity | jpieper: Check the xorg.conf manpage |
| 22:56.03 | gravity | jpieper: It explains how to make some settings stick, although having a script run xrandr works also |
| 22:56.17 | jpieper | Thanks. |
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| 22:59.06 | Alam_Debian | how do I append a file with the context of an another file from a shell? |
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| 23:00.05 | x1250 | Hi guys, any easy way to change the default key binding for loading the home page in firefox? I want to change the default ALT+Home |
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| 23:00.15 | adama | Alam_Debian: cat file2 >> file1 |
| 23:00.41 | Alam_Debian | just like Dos... DOH |
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| 23:01.12 | adama | shugs |
| 23:01.17 | adama | ...dos? |
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| 23:02.44 | zaaaassss | can i ask ...whats the name of the utility for wifi that ends with EG ? |
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| 23:03.11 | zaaaassss | NG, that is |
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| 23:03.35 | adama | linux-wlan-ng |
| 23:03.46 | adama | or aircrack-ng |
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| 23:03.58 | zaaaassss | thanks |
| 23:04.01 | adama | according to 'apt-cache search wireless |grep ng' :) |
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| 23:09.48 | S4nD3r | how to add a user in a specific group? |
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| 23:10.27 | S4nD3r | Id like to add a user in video group!!!!! |
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| 23:11.11 | S4nD3r | ?? |
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| 23:11.21 | vvd | adduser S4nD3r video |
| 23:11.59 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 23:12.00 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 23:12.05 | vvd | np :D |
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| 23:13.42 | hsuh | hi! i'm a debian newbie.. anyone has got ccgo installed? |
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| 23:19.00 | Decepticon | how can i backup my ~ dir, i have a ~/.wine folder that is very big and not want to include it in any manner or form (in calculating size or anything) in the backup process |
| 23:19.00 | ricosecada | If I want to make a recording of my screen while doing some stuff, what tool are the best to record with? |
| 23:19.00 | Decepticon | crap, i said folder |
| 23:19.05 | vvd | lol |
| 23:19.24 | Decepticon | i gave myself away pretty good |
| 23:19.35 | hsuh | Decepticon: recordmysession worked for me... |
| 23:19.47 | Decepticon | maybe ricosecada would want that |
| 23:19.50 | hsuh | or recordmydesktop |
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| 23:20.18 | hsuh | Decepticon: use git, and ignore .wine |
| 23:20.27 | ben_goodger | hello |
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| 23:21.03 | ricosecada | thanks! |
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| 23:21.31 | Decepticon | hsuh, git sounds like mc, just a file browser? |
| 23:21.32 | ben_goodger | all sound has suddenly disappeared [lenny], except for pidgin. fiddling with the default output device in gnome's preferences fixes it for rhythmbox. flash player remains problematic. any ideas? |
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| 23:21.44 | hsuh | no, a dvcs.. like bzr, hg |
| 23:21.57 | Decepticon | alright thanks ill check it out |
| 23:21.58 | peppe | ricosecada: istanbul, xvidcap, ffmpeg... there are many X screencaster |
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| 23:23.06 | ricosecada | peppe, thanks! |
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| 23:23.23 | peppe | Decepticon: can't you just copy your files and exclude those data you don't want to backup? tar --exclude etc. |
| 23:23.53 | Decepticon | i tried that, for some reason tar still decides to run through ~/.wine and tries to calculate size or something for whatever reason. im not sure |
| 23:24.04 | Decepticon | but it takes too long, and im positive it is because tar is going into .wine |
| 23:24.14 | Decepticon | even though i specified tar --exclude /home/decepticon/.wine |
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| 23:24.40 | Decepticon | i have a recursive dir in there i think, which may be cause for concern |
| 23:24.53 | hsuh | what about using find ? |
| 23:25.36 | smoke_ | what is easier to setup sendmail or postfix? |
| 23:25.45 | dvs | smoke_: postfix |
| 23:25.56 | Guerin | no question |
| 23:25.57 | dvs | or should I say "not sendmail" |
| 23:25.58 | Decepticon | hsuh and how would i exclude /home/decepticon/.wine from find? |
| 23:26.06 | Guerin | Decepticon: tar should work. |
| 23:26.36 | smoke_ | if i use postfix i have to stop sendmail service and remove it from the default config ? |
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| 23:27.06 | Guerin | smoke_: if you install postfix, debian will automatically remove sendmail |
| 23:27.08 | smoke_ | sorry really new to this, i got sendmail working but its giving me problems receving email from an external source, im thinking its my mx record on my dns server but i can't confirm it |
| 23:27.15 | smoke_ | Guerin, ah ok cool |
| 23:27.15 | hsuh | Decepticon: use grep maybe.. |
| 23:27.30 | hsuh | negated syntax, don't remember |
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| 23:27.55 | hsuh | -v |
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| 23:28.25 | ahyuwhiye | so this day i tryed out the this hype thing debian linux, -- all I can say is that i am fed up with it, i will stick with my good old GNUbuntu |
| 23:28.27 | simNIX | smoke; if you say problem recievind from external I wonder if you port forwarded smtp ? |
| 23:28.36 | ahyuwhiye | stick to* |
| 23:28.39 | Matson | does anyone know of a console utility that will make torrent files that supports mutiple trackers? I have installed the bittorrent package (5.0.9) and it has "maketorrent-console" BUT it does not seem to support mutiple trackers |
| 23:28.55 | smoke_ | well, i havent set up the smtp side yet, i didnt bother setting up the auth login stuff |
| 23:28.56 | Matson | I'm runnign debian etch |
| 23:29.04 | smoke_ | can't i just receive the email with "mail" thru ssh? |
| 23:29.24 | cesar_CR | hello guys, I am traying to burn an ISO image, and I get this error... :-( unable to WRITE@LBA=0h: Input/output error... any ideas, I am runnign etch |
| 23:29.42 | Guerin | smoke_: err, wtf? |
| 23:30.14 | dondelelcaro | cesar_CR: that usually means that the media is bad or something else bad happened with the burn |
| 23:30.14 | peppe | cesar_CR: are you sure your cd burner works correctly? if so, try upgrading, maybe it is fixed in a later kernel/wodim version |
| 23:30.19 | Guerin | if all you want to do is set up a relay, use nullmailer or something |
| 23:30.20 | simNIX | smoke; if I'd send a mail to you@yourdomain dns would tell what smtp server to contact ... |
| 23:30.35 | hsuh | Decepticon: http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/lpt/20_08.html |
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| 23:30.53 | smoke_ | hmmm |
| 23:30.57 | smoke_ | maybe im approching this all wrong |
| 23:31.06 | smoke_ | i have a domain registered at yahoo.com |
| 23:31.08 | Guerin | !mail tutorial |
| 23:31.09 | dpkg | i guess mail tutorial is at http://wooledge.org/~greg/mail.html |
| 23:31.12 | smoke_ | thanks |
| 23:31.18 | Guerin | smoke_: read that and get back to us |
| 23:31.19 | cesar_CR | It burns good in win$ |
| 23:31.26 | smoke_ | Guerin, thx i neded this |
| 23:31.30 | simNIX | smoke; does that domain point to your Inet ip ? |
| 23:31.31 | Guerin | mail is hard |
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| 23:31.35 | smoke_ | yeah ... like |
| 23:31.36 | cesar_CR | but over debian nop |
| 23:31.39 | smoke_ | well , this is the thing |
| 23:31.41 | Guerin | or not so much hard as, ... technical |
| 23:31.43 | Akuw | is there some tools to test ram memory and hard disks ? |
| 23:31.51 | smoke_ | i switched my hosting service to a vps |
| 23:32.05 | smoke_ | i have everything setup on the vps the webserver/mysql database and ftp, im trying to get the mail stuff setup now |
| 23:32.09 | Guerin | Akuw: yes. for ram, memtest86+, for drives, badblocks |
| 23:32.12 | amphi | Akuw: smartctl can run disk diagnostics |
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| 23:32.28 | jetx | !info memtest |
| 23:32.31 | Akuw | ok, all that run from cd at boot time i guest ? |
| 23:32.34 | jetx | nm |
| 23:32.44 | smoke_ | so far i got the dns zone config setup, bind is running good (im thinking), and now im running into the problem with the mail thing, but im gonna look at this mail tutorial and get back to you guys :) |
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| 23:34.42 | simNIX | smoke; if you dont have a smtp port of your mail server mapped to the ip pointed to for mail in dns you can't recieve mail for that domain ... |
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| 23:35.41 | smoke_ | ah so i must setup my smtp server before i can accept mail from another host , damn im stupid |
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| 23:37.57 | amphi | Akuw: smartctl you can run when you like; memtest86 needs to be booted |
| 23:38.29 | amphi | Akuw: the sysresccd.org iso is useful IMHO, it has many such tools |
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| 23:41.22 | DexterF | can one still say that debian/testing is more stable than other distro's final releases? |
| 23:42.52 | dvs | DexterF: definitely |
| 23:43.42 | DexterF | all I wanted to hear :) |
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| 23:51.12 | S4nD3r | How to install my USB webcam?? can't open /dev/video0: No such file or directory v4l-conf had some trouble, trying to continue anyway |
| 23:51.18 | S4nD3r | v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory |
| 23:51.24 | S4nD3r | v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory |
| 23:51.28 | S4nD3r | v4l: open /dev/video0: No such file or directory |
| 23:51.33 | S4nD3r | no video grabber device available |
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| 23:51.39 | S4nD3r | Those are error messages |
| 23:51.42 | Guerin | smoke_: don't fucking paste |
| 23:51.44 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:51.46 | Guerin | S4nD3r: |
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| 23:51.58 | Guerin | S4nD3r: ask in a v4l channel |
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| 23:52.29 | smoke_ | S4nD3r, you probbaly dont have v4l installed in your kernel |
| 23:52.44 | S4nD3r | oh |
| 23:52.59 | S4nD3r | It was working until last upgrade. |
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| 23:54.15 | S4nD3r | how to install this v4l in kernel? |
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| 23:54.45 | S4nD3r | is this one !!! ok gspca-source |
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| 23:55.35 | S4nD3r | gspca-modules-2.6-k7 is already the newest version. |
| 23:56.35 | S4nD3r | What to do then? |
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| 23:59.48 | cast__ | this is a bit frustrating, flash doesn't have sound anymore. though i can still play music in mplayer fine, and cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp works fine, flash won't :< |
