| 00:00.12 | jelly-home | is this #regexp-for-dummies? |
| 00:00.20 | Spec | matching 0, but not more than once? .{0,1} ? |
| 00:00.27 | jim | correct. |
| 00:00.37 | Spec | neat |
| 00:00.44 | jelly-home | except without the . |
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| 00:00.54 | Spec | oh, just {0,1} would get it? |
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| 00:01.05 | jim | would be a "quantifier" |
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| 00:01.30 | jelly-home | a{0,1} is about the same as a? |
| 00:01.30 | jim | so you can have any "regex" followed by a "quantifier" |
| 00:01.55 | jim | that matches either "a" or "": |
| 00:02.04 | jelly-home | aye |
| 00:03.16 | jim | bb... |
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| 00:06.34 | vsd | im using lenny and i cant download the headers for my kernel |
| 00:06.43 | vsd | fresh install |
| 00:06.46 | mmlj4 | lenny > etch? |
| 00:07.02 | vsd | it says it depends on kbuild but it is not installable |
| 00:07.04 | vsd | wtf. |
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| 00:08.22 | S4nD3r | I want to back to old kernel, is possible? |
| 00:08.28 | dondelelcaro | vsd: so see why kbuild isn't installable. |
| 00:08.34 | S4nD3r | Id like to have 2.6.22-k7 again... |
| 00:08.42 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: yes, just get it and install it. |
| 00:09.02 | pundi1 | where can i find the list of urls of the servers which can be put into the sources.list? |
| 00:09.20 | S4nD3r | But This do not is showed when I ask in apt-cache |
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| 00:10.31 | S4nD3r | Is this the correct mirror? deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 00:11.07 | vsd | dondelelcaro: how. |
| 00:11.36 | dondelelcaro | vsd: aptitude install kbuild; |
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| 00:12.07 | dondelelcaro | S4nD3r: that's a mirror, but if the package isn't available there, you'll have to get it from snapshot.debian.net or similar |
| 00:12.18 | dondelelcaro | doesn't know what kernel lenny is at now |
| 00:12.20 | S4nD3r | oh.... |
| 00:12.36 | S4nD3r | 2.6.24 I think |
| 00:13.21 | vsd | dondelelcaro: ...aptitude lets me install it, apt-get doesn't |
| 00:13.27 | vsd | how can this be possible |
| 00:13.48 | dondelelcaro | vsd: because aptitude has far better dependency resolution than apt-get does. |
| 00:13.58 | pgpkeys | usually because aptitude rectifies dependancies and adds them to the list. apt-get doesn't |
| 00:14.49 | dondelelcaro | there's a reason why we recommend aptitude for almost everything |
| 00:16.02 | vsd | ah ok thank you dondelelcaro |
| 00:16.06 | vsd | i'm new to debian |
| 00:16.20 | vsd | what is apt-get good for then |
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| 00:16.36 | pundi1 | same question like vsd is mine |
| 00:17.04 | Clutch | Pardon my wireless ignorance, but does the Gnome tool automatically configure WPA information, or do you use another tool to enter it? |
| 00:17.52 | vsd | where does it put the linux-headers? |
| 00:18.14 | dondelelcaro | vsd: it's primarily a demonstration of libapt; the fact that a demo of the library worked for as long as it did should tell you about the quality of the library |
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| 00:18.24 | dondelelcaro | vsd: dpkg -L is your friend... |
| 00:18.44 | phorce1 | !tell pundi1 about mirrors |
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| 00:19.33 | pundi1 | phorce1 thxx! :) i appreciate that! |
| 00:19.44 | phorce1 | still likes apt-cache seaech better than aptitude search |
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| 00:20.38 | vsd | !tell vsd about mirrors |
| 00:20.41 | vsd | lol |
| 00:20.46 | vsd | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 00:20.58 | phorce1 | pundi1: the term "mirror" as described in that factoid appears a bit misleading. It it a list of servers (mirrors) that can be used in your sources.list. Please pick ones that are close to you in the world. |
| 00:22.00 | pundi1 | phorce1 ok |
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| 00:22.29 | phorce1 | Too many options in aptitude search. I always either get nothing returned, or *WAY* too much |
| 00:23.04 | Clutch | !tell Clutch about wpa |
| 00:24.02 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: they're very different, actually. |
| 00:24.20 | dondelelcaro | aptitude search is far more powerful, but apt-cache show different things entirely |
| 00:24.50 | dondelelcaro | (about the only thing that's more powerful than aptitude search is grep-aptavail, but that's fairly complicated) |
| 00:24.52 | phorce1 | Folks, instead of using !tell to yourself you can just type '/msg dpkg <subject>'. It avoids channel clutter. !tell is generally used by others so that the factoid is only displayed to a single person but others are made aware of it's existence so they can use /msg to read it. |
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| 00:25.12 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: you can tell people who do that about self tell. ;-) |
| 00:26.43 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: I know aptitude search is much more powerful. That's my problem with it. Kind of like the fact that I will wait 10 minutes for an updatedb to run so I can use locate beore I'll spend 2 minutes crafting a 'find' command line. <grin> |
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| 00:30.59 | Tr0gd0r | what would you recommend as the "Fastest" ftp server? |
| 00:32.03 | pgpkeys | fastest is literally limited by a person's bandwidth |
| 00:32.09 | Tr0gd0r | well I have a gigabit server |
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| 00:32.17 | Tr0gd0r | I dont want it limited by the ftp daemon |
| 00:32.17 | pgpkeys | has nothing to do with the software itself |
| 00:32.25 | Tr0gd0r | because it might not be optimized |
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| 00:32.58 | pgpkeys | sniffs warez in the air |
| 00:33.03 | Tr0gd0r | pgpkeys in that case should I just proftpd? |
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| 00:33.18 | Tr0gd0r | pgpkeys no warez, just for my webhosting |
| 00:33.25 | rysiek|pl | hi guys |
| 00:33.31 | pgpkeys | proftpd ncftpd vsftpd any of them are fine |
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| 00:33.42 | pgpkeys | hell ftp is a very well understood protocol |
| 00:34.04 | rysiek|pl | ftp must die. |
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| 00:34.40 | rysiek|pl | I know it's not actually debian-specific, but I have nowhere to ask that one, so... |
| 00:35.16 | rysiek|pl | if I add a PCI-E add-on graphics card, is there a way to keep the on-board (mobo-integrated) gfx card running? |
| 00:35.34 | rysiek|pl | seems like it gets disabled and I can't seem to get over it |
| 00:35.51 | pgpkeys | i don't know of any mainboards that allow you keep the onboard enabled when you add an offboard |
| 00:36.01 | rysiek|pl | damn |
| 00:36.18 | rysiek|pl | why on earth would they disable the onboard card in such circumstances? |
| 00:36.29 | rysiek|pl | why not ask the user or, whatever, have a BIOS setting |
| 00:36.49 | pgpkeys | because that's normally the purpose of adding an offboard. and so that the system doesn't get confused on which one to initialize first |
| 00:37.16 | rysiek|pl | pgpkeys: but there is a BIOS config entry "init display first" (or similar) |
| 00:38.01 | pgpkeys | rysiek|pl: i've seen those entries, but they've never worked on any boards I've used with them. |
| 00:38.14 | rysiek|pl | yeah, that's what I get here, too |
| 00:38.16 | rysiek|pl | darn it |
| 00:38.50 | pgpkeys | basically it is saying try this one first and if it's there try that one first, if not then the other. with that entry you can change where it looks first so as to remove time from the bootup process |
| 00:38.51 | rysiek|pl | got this neat idea that adding an expansion GFX card would give me 3 screens... and now I am stuck with a useless gfx card |
| 00:38.57 | pgpkeys | that's usually how it works out |
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| 00:40.10 | phorce1 | init-display-first usually has 2 choices, PCI and AGP. That bios choice is for those who install multiple external vid cards to choose which is the primary. Not related to onboard video. |
| 00:40.14 | pgpkeys | i too used to think it meant you could have an onboard and an offboard. (not that i ever got a response from mainboard makers when I asked) |
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| 00:42.42 | rysiek|pl | ok, different question: |
| 00:43.06 | rysiek|pl | what is the easiest, quick and dirty way of checking whether or not the gfx card is dual-head |
| 00:43.21 | pgpkeys | look on the face of the card |
| 00:43.36 | phorce1 | has 5 days to find an operational machine in the piles of parts to build a temporary test DNS/web/whatever server. AT&T installs my DSL next Wednesday. 24Mb down spped and 3Mb up speed. |
| 00:43.36 | rysiek|pl | well, I have two connectors (RGB and DVI) |
| 00:43.37 | pgpkeys | does it have more than one hookup for a monitor? |
| 00:43.50 | rysiek|pl | but I know there are cards that just duplicate the output |
| 00:44.28 | rysiek|pl | phorce1: why oh why did you have to stab me in the heart ;) |
| 00:44.37 | phorce1 | rysiek|pl: what model/brand card? |
| 00:44.53 | rysiek|pl | pgpkeys: it's an integrated nVidia, gimme a sec |
| 00:45.05 | phorce1 | Fairly new MB? |
| 00:45.21 | rysiek|pl | yeah, bought a week ago |
| 00:45.27 | rysiek|pl | GF7025 exactly |
| 00:45.33 | phorce1 | If it's integrated nVidia on a fairly new board then it is dual head |
| 00:45.55 | rysiek|pl | thanks |
| 00:46.22 | rysiek|pl | meh, there *has* to be a way of enabling the integrated card when an add-on sits in the socket |
| 00:47.22 | phorce1 | rysiek|pl: Hit the gamers and overclockers forums and ask around. They're usually the ones to kick the harware and bios the hardest to make it do stuff it wasn't suposed to do. |
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| 00:47.36 | rysiek|pl | good point |
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| 00:50.08 | Akuw | i have a problem with evolution |
| 00:50.18 | rysiek|pl | lost link? |
| 00:50.27 | Akuw | The Application "evolution-2.6" has quit unexpectedly. |
| 00:50.27 | rysiek|pl | sed s/lost/missing/ |
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| 00:50.42 | Akuw | avery time i try to open |
| 00:50.46 | Akuw | every |
| 00:51.06 | Akuw | the problem could be i back the files and later i restore |
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| 00:56.09 | Akuw | ?? |
| 00:57.20 | Akuw | The Application "evolution-2.6" has quit unexpectedly. |
| 00:57.26 | Akuw | the problem could be i back the files and later i restore |
| 00:57.46 | Akuw | but i openned some times without problem |
| 00:58.39 | kraypius | anyone know why im getting this with apt-get update? Failed to fetch http://download.tuxfamily.org/upure64/dists/gutsy-upure64/Release Unable to find expected entry main-amd64/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?) |
| 00:58.39 | kraypius | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:04.38 | DustyBin | after reading this i now realise why a lot of people dont like ubuntu |
| 01:04.40 | DustyBin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth |
| 01:04.49 | DustyBin | </flamewar> |
| 01:05.10 | zinx | Ubuntu is off-topic here, fwiw. |
| 01:05.16 | DustyBin | </flamewar> <-- |
| 01:06.14 | DustyBin | "o come up with a list of names of people to hire for the project, Mr. Shuttleworth took six months of Debian mailing list archives with him" |
| 01:06.19 | engla | hey. does rhythmbox 0.11 have any issues compared to version 0.10? |
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| 01:06.38 | engla | as it is the development branch |
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| 01:07.52 | dondelelcaro | engla: you can check the bts to see if any are known |
| 01:08.17 | engla | good idea |
| 01:09.31 | rysiek|pl | Ubuntu is an old-african word meaning "I was not able to configure Debian" |
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| 01:10.01 | icesword | ahhhhh |
| 01:10.11 | icesword | how do you mean,rysiek pl |
| 01:10.19 | Monobi2 | I'm installing my second debian OS :), but I'm at the software selection window. What does the standard system software include. |
| 01:10.51 | dondelelcaro | Monobi2: everything priority standard and above. |
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| 01:11.03 | dondelelcaro | Monobi2: plus a few other bits and pieces |
| 01:11.03 | Monobi2 | dondelelcaro: hm, link to the packages ? |
| 01:11.30 | Monobi2 | I'm trying to keep everything at a min. because I only have 128 MB of RAM. |
| 01:11.43 | dondelelcaro | Monobi2: unless you know better, you want everything in standard. |
| 01:11.54 | Monobi2 | Ok. |
| 01:12.00 | dondelelcaro | (and if you know better, you don't install standard, but only choose exactly what you want) |
| 01:12.07 | icesword | Monobi2, yaaa,nope,debian will run in 76m ram,lol |
| 01:12.20 | Monobi2 | One more question, then I'll shut up. What does File server include ? |
| 01:12.32 | rysiek|pl | icesword: just a joke, a pun, playing on the Ubuntu slogan ("Ubuntu is an old-african word meaning 'towards humanity'") |
| 01:12.47 | icesword | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:12.50 | Monobi2 | http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/09/29/installing_debian.html?page=3 - only thing I can find, but doesnt look like it is for debian etch |
| 01:12.55 | rysiek|pl | icesword: ...and on the fact that ubuntu is, well, a desktop-configured Debian |
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| 01:13.06 | icesword | yep |
| 01:13.28 | icesword | let's see how you guys define ubuntu |
| 01:13.31 | icesword | !ubuntu |
| 01:13.31 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 01:13.57 | Monobi2 | dondelelcaro: ^^ |
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| 01:15.55 | dondelelcaro | Monobi2: tasksel --task-packages file-server; will tell you what's included. |
| 01:16.02 | dondelelcaro | Monobi2: you can always installs tasks later, too. |
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| 01:16.25 | dondelelcaro | (it's basically the stuff you'd expect to find on a file server, like samba, nfs, and netatalk) |
| 01:16.43 | Monobi2 | Okay, thanks |
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| 01:20.00 | engla | dondelelcaro: done a serious survey. No serious issues for rhythmbox in bts, but lots of small fixes. Looks good! :) |
| 01:24.48 | Wyzard | quodlibet is nicer than rhythmbox |
| 01:26.47 | Mantaar | xmms2 all the way ^^ |
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| 01:27.42 | Wyzard | I use audacity when I want something xmms-like |
| 01:28.16 | Wyzard | but quodlibet has *fantastic* tagging support |
| 01:28.17 | dondelelcaro | mpd! |
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| 01:28.57 | Mantaar | audacity? xmms-like is audacious, but not audacity. xmms2 is more like mpd. |
| 01:29.05 | Wyzard | oops, meant to say audacious |
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| 01:32.18 | Seb | using gnupg-agent 2.0.7 here, i was reading the man page, where it mentions you cna't put the gpg-agent socket on a remote filesystem, but my home here is NFS-mounted, and everything seems to work as expected; am I misunderstanding the man page somehow ? |
| 01:33.30 | engla | Seb: the socket is in /tmp perhaps? |
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| 01:34.36 | Seb | engla: nah, it's in ~seb/.gnupg |
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| 01:34.57 | Seb | engla: GPG_AGENT_INFO agrees, too |
| 01:35.19 | Seb | engla: /home/seb/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent: socket |
| 01:35.23 | engla | aha. ok I use seahorse-agent which is different I guess. I have no clues |
| 01:35.44 | Seb | i wonder why the man page would say that :\ |
| 01:36.00 | Seb | maybe it's just that most NFS implementations can't do sockets... |
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| 01:40.16 | rysiek|pl | gtg get some sleep - see you all |
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| 02:08.31 | Akuw | some body here know about Qemu? |
| 02:08.39 | kgoetz | !anyone |
| 02:08.39 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 02:12.01 | Akuw | i am using Qemu, but is very slow |
| 02:12.03 | patko | hello |
| 02:12.08 | Akuw | how can i run it faster ? |
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| 02:15.04 | patko | I use this command line http://pastebin.ca/971942 for getting creation time of a file and I would like to include the result in the filename, anyone knows how to do it? |
| 02:15.05 | darkskiez | Akuw: use ver 0.9.1 with a cpu with vm assist |
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| 02:18.26 | ulrik | for old versions there was a separate kernel module for qemu |
| 02:19.15 | ulrik | however on powerpc (like I have), it can only run slow |
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| 02:20.52 | Akuw | damm |
| 02:21.02 | Akuw | i run VirtualBox, and it run fast |
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| 02:28.48 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 02:38.53 | S4nD3r | Im using gnome, how to put icons on window border to minimize, maximize, close??? |
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| 03:01.58 | ej | can a md5sum mismatch error be fixed when doing apt-get update? |
| 03:02.37 | Azar | tried aptitude update instead? |
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| 03:05.25 | S4nD3r | The minimize, maximize, close icons, do not appears in my windows... Gnome is crazy. How to solve it ? |
| 03:05.41 | Azar | never used gnome |
| 03:05.48 | Azar | ask in #gnome maybe |
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| 03:06.05 | jaggy- | when I run "konquerer filepath" (like "konquerer ."), would it be possible to have it expand the left-pane's directory tree? I have to go to the location bar, where it does show the path, and hit enter for it to do so |
| 03:08.00 | slapd | i been runnin redhat, fedora, slack, caldera, bsd... this is my first with debian,,, can someone telll me how to get my wheel mouse to work? |
| 03:08.20 | Maliuta | slapd: in X? |
| 03:08.27 | Maliuta | slapd: or console? |
| 03:08.28 | slapd | i guess |
| 03:08.35 | slapd | well |
| 03:08.47 | Lewoco | I really like the 'joe' editor, but it has this idiosyncrasy that I can't figure out how to fix: Type a long line (20 chars) follow by a couple of shorter lines. Move the cursor to the *end* of the long line and press the down key. The cursor will move literally straight down one line, instead of down one line and to the end of the short line (as with every other editor). If you start typing the cursor will suddenly jump to the end of the short line before |
| 03:08.48 | Lewoco | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.55 | slapd | i am runnin deb in vmware as a guest |
| 03:09.19 | Azar | !drxx |
| 03:09.19 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 03:09.27 | Azar | slapd: for you ^^^^ |
| 03:09.37 | Maliuta | slapd: in your xorg.conf in the Section "InputDevice" for the mouse put Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 03:09.52 | Azar | Maliuta: it is not recommended to alter xorg |
| 03:10.08 | Azar | Maliuta: read up what dpkg say |
| 03:10.24 | Maliuta | Azar: like the configurator does what I want it too |
| 03:10.38 | Maliuta | Azar: and like it has access to all the options for all the modules |
| 03:10.49 | Azar | Maliuta: it does, you only have to carefully read the screens |
| 03:11.00 | slapd | oh man,,, i haint had to muck with x******.config in ten years.... it brings back old memories |
| 03:11.01 | Maliuta | bite the friggin' bullet and alter the damn thing by hand |
| 03:11.16 | Azar | then you will reconfigure xorg everytime you update/upgrade? |
| 03:11.38 | Maliuta | I hate click monkey admins, and people who are tied to others work |
| 03:11.52 | Maliuta | Azar: actually only on major number upgrade |
| 03:12.04 | slapd | i altered the damn thang too many times ,,, i guess my patience aint that wornnnnnn out |
| 03:12.21 | slapd | darn |
| 03:12.26 | Azar | slapd: if you configure xorg.conf, then you will come back everytime you upgrade to ask us why md5sum is not working |
| 03:12.47 | slapd | thatswhatimtalkin'bout |
| 03:12.49 | Azar | ... and other minor things |
| 03:12.57 | slapd | yeah that too |
| 03:13.02 | slapd | and then some |
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| 03:13.50 | Azar | slapd: on older Debian versions I usually fiddle with reconfigure screens until I figure out the right mouse settings, there are some to pick from |
| 03:14.08 | slapd | gosh... woe is me |
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| 03:18.03 | slapd | im gettin too old for this shit |
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| 03:22.34 | slapd | i typed in linus torvolds thesis that he published in dr. dobbs in '92,,,, i compiled it with zortech c++ and had a floppy with linux v0.99 beta... and it booted my gateway 386x25 ..... after that i got yggadrisyl on cd and mucked with x... ... comon ... are you tellin me i gots to do the same crap again in debiannnn? |
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| 03:23.44 | slapd | i been runnin redhat, fedora, slack, caldera, bsd... this is my first with debian,,, can someone telll me how to get my wheel mouse to work? |
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| 03:28.05 | liable | uh oh |
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| 03:32.36 | nixbox | hi all |
| 03:32.37 | nixbox | is there a program where i can draw a graph (nodes and edges) or for that matter only nodes and i can export is as x,y coordinates ? |
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| 03:40.27 | S4nD3r | how solve it ?? This shouldn't generally happen, but can usually be fixed by running "galeon-config-tool --install-schemas". |
| 03:40.36 | S4nD3r | This came when I clicked on a URL link |
| 03:42.38 | RaMoN | guys does anybody have an Evga geforce 8500 GT under debian? |
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| 03:45.46 | Maliuta | RaMoN: sorry, running dual pci-e 7300's |
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| 03:47.12 | outlawjhs | what is the best chipset to use that does not require proprietary drivers? |
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| 03:47.23 | WormFood | trident from 1995 |
| 03:47.31 | amphi | outlawjhs: currently, intel |
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| 03:47.47 | outlawjhs | any specific G33? |
| 03:48.15 | Maliuta | used to be a matrox ... I had a g550 :( |
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| 03:49.17 | Maliuta | the intel 910's are good cards ... I have not seen one that wasn't integrated though |
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| 04:18.13 | Nyle | hola boys n girls |
| 04:18.19 | sysape | im making a clean install and putting everything on the lvm except boot, is there anyway to get nanosecond timestamps in ext3 or can i convert to reiser later or something |
| 04:18.39 | Nyle | nanosec timestamps? why? |
| 04:18.50 | Nyle | !seen rahul |
| 04:18.50 | dpkg | rahul is currently on #debian (16h 42m 37s), last said: 'the program you want to run...'. |
| 04:18.57 | sysape | ext 3 only has 1 second tmiestamps right |
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| 04:19.09 | Nyle | but why 'nano' second? |
| 04:19.21 | Nyle | thats very very VERY tiny scalewise |
| 04:19.33 | Nyle | !wayttd sysape |
| 04:19.33 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, sysape? |
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| 04:21.42 | Nyle | 30 bits in 32bit feilds, 2 are 0'd out, could be used for yyyy as date, but yes, ext3 has some patches I know of that give you THAT specific of a timestamp |
| 04:21.51 | Nyle | google around, you could probably find one |
| 04:22.10 | Nyle | I wonder if debian compiles ext3 suport in the kernel with the patch or not |
| 04:22.16 | Nyle | but answer me, why nano sec? |
| 04:22.53 | Nyle | !ping |
| 04:22.53 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:22.58 | Nyle | !ext3 |
| 04:22.58 | dpkg | [ext3] the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs>, <ricerfs> and <filesystems>. |
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| 04:25.35 | Lewoco | !ricerfs |
| 04:25.35 | dpkg | from memory, ricerfs is the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See <reiserfs> for real info. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 04:25.48 | Lewoco | !reiserfs |
| 04:25.48 | dpkg | it has been said that reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 04:26.33 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 04:26.33 | dpkg | somebody said dpkgbot was Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 04:26.37 | Nyle | !msg the bot |
| 04:26.37 | dpkg | somebody said msg the bot was please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
| 04:27.17 | Nyle | im fuckin bored man |
| 04:27.26 | Nyle | I've been off my computer for like 2 or more weeks |
| 04:27.39 | Nyle | get back on and i don't find any interest in it wow |
| 04:27.47 | Nyle | i used to be addicted to my computer |
| 04:29.44 | ulrik | yeah that's a problem |
| 04:29.55 | ulrik | you mean you beat the internet |
| 04:30.02 | ulrik | read the last page |
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| 04:31.40 | WormFood | is there a way to turn off "tap to click" on my touch pad? I installed the synaptic drivers, but they disable my "clit mouse", and my middle mouse click, and I see no way to enable those with the synaptic drivers. (I don't really use my clit mouse much, but I use that middle click all the time) |
| 04:32.07 | amphi | Nyle: I just found this, which gladdened my heart (a favorite childhood book), http://caliban.mpiz-koeln.mpg.de/~stueber/haeckel/kunstformen/natur.html |
| 04:32.07 | Nyle | WormFood, I know there is i just can't remember atm |
| 04:32.10 | Nyle | amphi, ! |
| 04:32.18 | amphi | pon ;) |
| 04:32.18 | Nyle | waves |
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| 04:32.33 | Nyle | how've you been budd |
| 04:32.45 | ulrik | I have the util 'trackpad' but it's specific for macs I think |
| 04:32.54 | ulrik | at least so the man page says |
| 04:33.01 | amphi | Nyle: not too shabby, thanks - yourself? |
| 04:33.24 | WormFood | Nyle, if you happen to find it again, or remember, please /msg me, or give me info with my nick on the line (so I don't miss it, if I'm away from the computer) |
| 04:33.31 | amphi | ulrik: you can set Taptoclicktimeout to 0 or some such, google will know |
| 04:33.45 | amphi | ulrik: in xorg.conf |
| 04:34.09 | WormFood | amphi, I know how to turn off tap to click, but that wasn't my question |
| 04:34.28 | WormFood | as far as I know, the only way to turn off tap to click is to install the synaptic drivers |
| 04:34.30 | Nyle | try MaxTapTime=0 |
| 04:34.33 | Nyle | in xorg |
| 04:34.48 | WormFood | I don't need any special drivers to do that? |
| 04:34.54 | Nyle | synaptics |
| 04:34.54 | Nyle | :( |
| 04:35.26 | WormFood | yeah, but when I install those I lose my middle mouse click (yes, I have one of the few laptops with 3 mouse buttons)...AND it disables my clit mouse |
| 04:36.06 | Nyle | clit mouse? |
| 04:36.14 | amphi | Nyle: trackpoint |
| 04:36.15 | Nyle | thats a damn nice mouse ;) |
| 04:36.19 | ulrik | http://xkcd.com/243/ |
| 04:36.21 | WormFood | http://xkcd.com/243/ |
| 04:36.26 | WormFood | you beat me to it ulrik |
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| 04:36.34 | Nyle | girls say to each other, "did you double click your mouse last night" |
| 04:36.34 | Nyle | ;) |
| 04:36.35 | ulrik | :D |
| 04:37.10 | Nyle | i been using windows xp home for a month now |
| 04:37.21 | Nyle | I sold 2 servers and 4 machines |
| 04:37.28 | Nyle | i got only my desktop left now and my laptop |
| 04:37.48 | Nyle | when i move next month, i only want to have my desktop, flat panel, guitars, amps, clothes. |
| 04:38.09 | Nyle | thats it, gotta get rid of this junk i collected, im one of those people that don't throw away anything |
| 04:38.22 | Nyle | so natually after a while... |
| 04:38.22 | WormFood | Nyle, that reminds me...I forgot to put on my deodorant this morning |
| 04:38.27 | Nyle | ugh. |
| 04:38.40 | WormFood | I hope you have slightly more than "desktop, flat panel, guitars, amps, clothes." |
| 04:38.41 | Nyle | but you know some girls like that |
| 04:38.49 | Nyle | WormFood, what more could I want |
| 04:38.52 | Nyle | I got everything right there |
| 04:39.09 | Nyle | I done sold my lcd tv, dvd players, other toys and stuff |
| 04:39.20 | Nyle | I'm trying to get all these distractions out of my life so I can focus on my business |
| 04:39.29 | Nyle | i can't give up guitar though. |
| 04:40.03 | WormFood | Nyle, I tried to do that before I came to china...boy it was tough too! |
| 04:40.20 | WormFood | but I couldn't throw away my super rare antique computers |
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| 04:40.28 | Nyle | oh those I still have |
| 04:40.33 | Nyle | sparc ultra |
| 04:40.35 | WormFood | I own an "albert computer" and a "gimix computer" |
| 04:40.38 | Nyle | tandy ibm |
| 04:40.43 | WormFood | sparc isn't super rare :P |
| 04:40.44 | Nyle | herculese |
| 04:40.48 | Nyle | ZX39 |
| 04:41.03 | WormFood | I still have a 12 volt, monochrome cga monitor floating around my house |
| 04:41.05 | Nyle | amiga, c64, blah blah |
| 04:41.20 | Nyle | WormFood, so do I, yellow n black, 64kb ram ;) |
| 04:41.25 | WormFood | try to find pictures of a gimix or albert computer that I didn't take |
| 04:41.28 | Nyle | with the system |
| 04:41.44 | Nyle | I still got my first mac, lc 475 |
| 04:41.50 | WormFood | seriously, the only pictures of those 2 computers I can find on the web are pictures I personally took |
| 04:41.53 | Nyle | back from early 90s |
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| 04:42.18 | Nyle | my favorite of all times is the CompuADD laptop i got in 1992, 4mb ram, 80mb hdd, 25.33mhz cpu 386sx |
| 04:42.24 | WormFood | I have some old macs too....a 68ec040 and a ppc |
| 04:42.27 | Nyle | 2400 baud modem, man those were the days |
| 04:42.29 | Nyle | eh |
| 04:42.43 | WormFood | heh....my first modem I bought in 1985, 300 baud |
| 04:42.44 | Nyle | I was about ... 10 |
| 04:42.47 | Nyle | 9 |
| 04:42.51 | WormFood | direct connect....no auto-dial |
| 04:42.55 | Nyle | i was born in 81 |
| 04:43.02 | Nyle | you must be oooooold... grampa! |
| 04:43.04 | Nyle | hehe |
| 04:43.15 | WormFood | I had to pick up the phone, punch in the number, wait for the carrier, then push the "on line" button and hang up the phone |
| 04:43.19 | WormFood | those were the days |
| 04:43.22 | WormFood | I'm only 39 |
| 04:43.26 | Nyle | im 27 |
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| 04:43.40 | Nyle | WormFood, how does 39 feel? |
| 04:43.44 | WormFood | I bought my first modem, before I bought my first computer |
| 04:43.49 | Nyle | compared to when you were 27? |
| 04:44.03 | WormFood | it feels great! I just broke up with my 29 year old girlfriend a few days ago |
| 04:44.12 | Nyle | congradulations |
| 04:44.14 | Nyle | time for new pussy |
| 04:44.16 | WormFood | and I have women interested in me that are 25 years old |
| 04:44.16 | Nyle | yay |
| 04:44.25 | WormFood | I had 2 girlfriends |
| 04:44.31 | WormFood | I needed to get rid of one anyways |
| 04:44.42 | Nyle | I can ultimately and legally have 4 |
| 04:44.51 | Nyle | ;) |
| 04:45.00 | Nyle | s/can/will (one day) |
| 04:45.15 | Nyle | for now one is enough |
| 04:45.31 | WormFood | my 2nd gf knew about the 1st one |
| 04:45.55 | WormFood | my 1st gf wants a baby THIS YEAR! I told her at best I would have to wait several years...she was not willing, so she broke up with me |
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| 04:47.49 | WormFood | I had this one "girl" saying we wants to marry me....I call her a "girl" because she is about the same age as my daughter |
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| 04:48.26 | Nyle | Hlidskjalf |
| 04:48.39 | Nyle | damnit it i knocked over the router and pulled out the cable |
| 04:48.46 | WormFood | "shit happens" |
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| 04:49.02 | Nyle | can't stop it |
| 04:49.38 | Nyle | as i was saying |
| 04:49.44 | morbid | I can't reach my ntfs drive... I installed ntfs-3g and ntfsprogs, and I can't run ntfsprogs |
| 04:49.51 | Nyle | if you have more than 2 kids i'll personally hunt you down and kick your ass |
| 04:50.11 | Nyle | morbid, as root, fdisk -l |
| 04:50.16 | Nyle | is the ntfs partition listed? |
| 04:50.44 | morbid | yes |
| 04:50.58 | Nyle | and how are you trying to mount it? |
| 04:51.12 | morbid | I didn't try to mount it |
| 04:51.14 | morbid | :) |
| 04:51.18 | morbid | I am a new bie |
| 04:51.32 | morbid | so should I mount it? |
| 04:51.39 | Nyle | yes of course |
| 04:51.42 | Nyle | try |
| 04:51.46 | morbid | hmm |
| 04:51.56 | morbid | but I have data inside the disk... |
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| 04:52.13 | morbid | if I mount, will they be gone or? |
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| 04:52.33 | Nyle | mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/whatever /place/to/mount/to/here |
| 04:52.44 | Nyle | morbid, don't use ntfs-3g if you want data |
| 04:53.00 | Nyle | only use ntfs 3g IF and ONLY when you need to write to ntfs |
| 04:53.01 | morbid | gparted is ok? |
| 04:53.05 | Nyle | no |
| 04:53.10 | Nyle | it isn't, not now |
| 04:53.17 | Nyle | !ntfs-3g |
| 04:53.17 | dpkg | i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
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| 04:53.41 | Nyle | best thing for a newbie, is to read. Come back with specific questions |
| 04:53.46 | Nyle | becasue all you need is there in those links |
| 04:53.56 | morbid | ok |
| 04:54.00 | morbid | thanks anyway.. |
| 04:54.13 | Nyle | you want to be spoonfed? |
| 04:54.25 | Nyle | I even gave you the exact command |
| 04:54.34 | morbid | I said thank you |
| 04:54.35 | morbid | :D |
| 04:54.49 | Nyle | yw |
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| 04:55.54 | showandtell1110 | :) |
| 04:56.08 | showandtell1110 | hi |
| 04:56.10 | Nyle | hi |
| 04:56.46 | showandtell1110 | um I'm new here! |
| 04:56.57 | Nyle | !guidelines |
| 04:56.58 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
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| 04:58.07 | showandtell1110 | :( |
| 04:58.16 | Nyle | smile. |
| 04:58.31 | amphi | °_° |
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| 04:58.54 | Nyle | amphi, having fun? |
| 04:59.02 | showandtell1110 | u want me to go I don't want to piss u off ! Can I chat with u ? |
| 04:59.05 | amphi | falling alseep |
| 04:59.24 | amphi | showandtell1110: this channel is for debian support |
| 05:00.11 | Nyle | \o lo \o lo \o |
| 05:00.18 | Nyle | \o/ |
| 05:00.21 | showandtell1110 | ok sorry I'll go mwah AFFA love ya |
| 05:00.32 | Nyle | showandtell1110, ? |
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| 05:00.48 | showandtell1110 | yes ? |
| 05:00.57 | Nyle | feel free to chat |
| 05:01.07 | Nyle | about debian |
| 05:01.09 | Nyle | :) |
| 05:01.39 | showandtell1110 | ok well tell what's debian? |
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| 05:02.11 | Oktane | gah, what a nice surprise. installed etch on my spare server and ssh-keygen/ssh segfaults. it's not the hardware, the box ran openbsd perfectly fine :( |
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| 05:03.33 | showandtell1110 | ummmm anyone here from Nevada |
| 05:03.42 | brick_redux | your mom |
| 05:04.11 | showandtell1110 | be careful |
| 05:05.49 | showandtell1110 | nyle |
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| 05:07.36 | Nyle | mango juice drink and pizza |
| 05:07.37 | Nyle | mmmm |
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| 05:10.40 | azurite | anyone have any thoughts on aes vs blowfish and aes loop vs dm-crypt for disk encryption? |
| 05:13.00 | Guerin | azurite: use the default |
| 05:13.10 | azurite | i was leaning in that direction |
| 05:13.21 | azurite | not being an expert myself |
| 05:13.26 | Guerin | if you have to ask such questions, the difference won't be meaningful to you |
| 05:13.33 | azurite | of course |
| 05:13.42 | azurite | but im always curious |
| 05:13.50 | Guerin | curiosity is good |
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| 05:14.37 | liable | not for cats |
| 05:14.51 | azurite | :X |
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| 05:23.53 | jpin | Hi, i found a site on the web that has a Packages.gz on the directory, is it possible to add to sources.list for apt-get? apt-get seems to need a sub-dir with binary-i386, how can i avoid it? |
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| 06:13.27 | x1250 | what would be the best way to synchronize my desktop and laptop? I want to synchronize projects, mysql databases and documents. |
| 06:13.33 | x1250 | rsync? |
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| 06:20.44 | hoxu | x1250, that's a difficult question. I suggest you have a look at what rsync, unison and distributed version control systems can do |
| 06:21.19 | SerajewelKS | does pci probing happen before after the root pivot? |
| 06:21.40 | hoxu | x1250, I'd probably recommend using git for projects and documents |
| 06:21.42 | SerajewelKS | e.g. would that be something i'd have to tweak the initramfs for? because i've blacklisted a module and it's inexplicably loaded when i reboot |
| 06:24.21 | xingu | SerajewelKS: afaik happens kernel-side during pci bus ennumeration (automatic hotplug invoke) |
| 06:25.13 | x1250 | yeah, I was reading about unison now, but it seems it is no longer developed. I don't know about git, I'll read abou it, thanks |
| 06:25.24 | SerajewelKS | xingu: is there no way to prevent it from inserting the driver short of rming it? |
| 06:25.32 | SerajewelKS | xingu: it seriously fubars the card |
| 06:25.46 | SerajewelKS | xingu: even after removing it and inserting ndiswrapper the card doesn't work |
| 06:25.52 | x1250 | I guess I'll go with unison |
| 06:26.11 | xingu | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 06:26.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 06:26.12 | phorce1 | SerajewelKS: blacklist it in the initramfs |
| 06:27.05 | SerajewelKS | on another note, it would be great if the driver that the kernel thinks the card will work with would just, you know -- work |
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| 06:28.03 | hoxu | recommendations for recovering files from .iso? |
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| 06:28.24 | SerajewelKS | btw why would b43legacy give me two interfaces: eth2 and wlan0_rename |
| 06:28.35 | xingu | x1250: could be an application for something like ocfs2 |
| 06:28.54 | SerajewelKS | wlan0_rename seems to be the more functional of the two, in that if i try to bring it up i get errors in dmesg while the other just takes a crap |
| 06:29.18 | x1250 | xingu: I'll check that too, thanks |
| 06:29.24 | xingu | SerajewelKS: probably because your udev rules are attempting to rename the 802.3-encaps interface to something that already exists |
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| 06:30.43 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 06:30.59 | SerajewelKS | i love linux on the desktop, i really do... but wireless networking is still shit for some reason |
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| 06:31.23 | SerajewelKS | no offense to the developers |
| 06:31.26 | SerajewelKS | offence* |
| 06:31.41 | SerajewelKS | no, s was right... |
| 06:31.46 | SerajewelKS | (long day) |
| 06:33.36 | SerajewelKS | haha ndiswrapper just caused a kernel panic |
| 06:34.00 | xingu | x1250: hmm, on another drill, not sure ocfs2 support replicas (or the corner case, offline replicas) |
| 06:34.06 | Lagbolt | SerajewelKS, hey what wireless card do you have? is it a 4311? |
| 06:34.17 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: pretty sure that's the one |
| 06:34.19 | xingu | x1250: drbd does though |
| 06:34.25 | Lagbolt | i have the same card |
| 06:34.34 | Lagbolt | broadcom 4311 <-- piece of shit |
| 06:34.57 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: hp compaq nx9010? |
| 06:35.01 | Lagbolt | every kern i try to get it to work |
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| 06:35.12 | Lagbolt | hp pavillion dv2120us |
| 06:35.29 | Lagbolt | ndiswrapper works like a charm for me tho so i just quit with that b43 driver |
| 06:35.53 | SerajewelKS | xingu: where would i look to see what udev is screwing up over? there's no errors in dmesg. |
| 06:36.17 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: i did too, but new kernel in lenny so i figured i'd give the native-with-cut-fw driver another try |
| 06:36.33 | xingu | SerajewelKS: just knock out the z25 persistent net rules renaming rules; then modprobe -r / modprobe your device driver |
| 06:36.37 | SerajewelKS | plus ndiswrapper just paniced the kernel, so... |
| 06:36.42 | Lagbolt | yeah i thought the new b43 would work, i was able to get a lil response from it but it never seemed to quite work. |
| 06:36.59 | Lagbolt | there is a conflict with ndis and the new kern |
| 06:37.08 | Lagbolt | do you compile your kern or use packaged? |
| 06:37.28 | SerajewelKS | stock |
| 06:37.35 | Lagbolt | yeah, lsmod | grep ssb |
| 06:37.39 | Lagbolt | i bet that module is loaded |
| 06:37.48 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: i know ssb is there, apparently you missed that rant |
| 06:37.52 | Lagbolt | oh |
| 06:37.53 | Lagbolt | sorry |
| 06:37.54 | xingu | x1250: I think drbd (>=0.8) will actually be a _good_ fit for you, with some thought applied. |
| 06:37.54 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 06:37.58 | SerajewelKS | Lagbolt: np :) |
| 06:38.34 | Lagbolt | i feel your pain tho for sure |
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| 06:38.59 | SerajewelKS | xingu: i like the idea of persistence of interface names, i'm curious what name udev is coming up with for this card though |
| 06:39.19 | SerajewelKS | xingu: it does seem to create a defunct eth2, for some reason |
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| 06:41.07 | xingu | SerajewelKS: yes, but to diagnose, first you need to see the non-renamed device names; just comment out the existing rules and either reboot or (carefully) remove all network device drivers and then reinsert all of them |
| 06:41.36 | SerajewelKS | xingu: ok, which lines am i commenting out? |
| 06:42.45 | xingu | SerajewelKS: all of them, effectively, in the z25 persistent net rulesfile |
| 06:43.44 | SerajewelKS | xingu: can i just kill the ones that look like they match my card? |
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| 06:44.47 | SerajewelKS | xingu: if i comment them out i get a wmaster0 and a wlan0 |
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| 07:00.20 | bigmatt | is the standard debian kernel compiled with speedstep_centrino? on debian etch |
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| 07:01.19 | SerajewelKS | xingu: ping? |
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| 07:04.30 | x1250 | ok xingu, thanks, I'll look into drbd now to see if it fits, thanks again :) |
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| 07:06.20 | Haris | Hello people |
| 07:06.35 | Haris | Do we have any interface to http://cve.mitre.org/ via shell on debian? |
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| 07:06.51 | Haris | where we can check bugs/exploits/vulnerabilities and their status? |
| 07:07.10 | Haris | for example, CVE-2007-6335 |
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| 07:18.40 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: did you regenrate the initrd after blacklisting? |
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| 07:26.35 | x1250 | ntpdate does get executed at boot time? I ask because I read in /etc/default/ntpdate: NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF=yes, and then NTPSERVERS="list of servers here", that would be used only in case NTPDATE_USE_NTP_CONF is not yes. BUT as I don't have ntp package installed there is no /etc/ntp.conf. So question is, servers defined in NTPSERVERS are used? |
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| 07:50.53 | debian_41 | hi windows re install removed my frub mbr thing so is thier any automated way of having it detect and go about it that way ? |
| 07:51.10 | debian_41 | not that its hard or anything i jus never used grub only lilo |
| 07:53.20 | comsa | is there a grub install cd |
| 07:53.24 | Lagbolt | your grub? |
| 07:53.26 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 07:53.40 | Lagbolt | if you have your debian install you can fix it with rescue |
| 07:53.53 | comsa | ye thats it |
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| 07:54.06 | debian_41 | i got ot boot live cd up and chroot it |
| 07:54.15 | Lagbolt | yeah |
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| 07:54.27 | Lagbolt | it is pretty easy, i helped someone do it yesterday |
| 07:54.46 | debian_41 | why has grub become the leader and lilo left behind |
| 07:55.05 | debian_41 | lilo is pretty featureful even by grub standards today but hmm |
| 07:55.21 | Lagbolt | i havent used lilo in ages. can you tab complete in lilo? |
| 07:55.33 | debian_41 | lilo has things like boot kernel once |
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| 07:55.50 | debian_41 | so if the kernel failed it would yea next restart would boot back to normal kerenl |
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| 07:56.02 | xingu | debian_41: because grub's loader can read a filesystem while lilo can only deal with block offsets |
| 07:56.26 | debian_41 | i see sounds got a good enough reason |
| 07:56.31 | xingu | debian_41: fwiw grub has an equivalency for that |
| 07:56.41 | debian_41 | ah didnt know that |
| 07:57.04 | xingu | debian_41: see grub-reboot(8) for the next logical extention |
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| 07:58.11 | debian_41 | doesnt even need ot use it but at one time i did |
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| 08:00.43 | xingu | debian_41: lilo is also fairly x86 pc-bios specific; grub stands a better chance of working with things like openprom/openboot, efi, etc. |
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| 08:01.13 | xingu | debian_41: and finally, imho, syslinux does what lilo does better anyway |
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| 08:08.41 | distatica | Does anyone happen to know if Ekiga (or any other program for that matter) supports video conferencing with MULTIPLE users? |
| 08:09.37 | Caelum | there's this gnome meeting thing I heard about |
| 08:09.39 | distatica | I would think this would be a popular request, but I'm not finding a lot of software that does it, and the stuff I can find is all windows, and free but very restricted. |
| 08:09.43 | distatica | Ekiga |
| 08:09.51 | Caelum | oh |
| 08:09.53 | distatica | formerly gnome meeting |
| 08:10.04 | distatica | But I'm not sure if it does for 1-1 or multiple users. |
| 08:10.31 | distatica | That would be ideal, since it's windows and linux |
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| 08:10.43 | distatica | I will try it I suppose. |
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| 08:30.04 | x1250 | would there be problems if /etc/apt/apt_preferences is a symlink? |
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| 08:31.19 | blubberdiblub | x1250: not if the link points to an accessible file. but it's called /etc/apt/preferences, if i'm not mistaken ;) |
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| 08:32.08 | x1250 | ah, you're right :) thanks |
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| 08:32.28 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:32.29 | dpkg | methinks qotd102 is <]BdS[DrDefrag> i want to overclock my proliant dl580 g2 to compile the 2.6 kernel more quickly. any recommendations ? |
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| 08:35.59 | debian_41 | whats a good live cd ? |
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| 08:36.40 | debian_41 | i still got an old kubuntu lvie cd or something |
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| 08:40.04 | Lagbolt | debian_41, how about a nice debian live cd |
| 08:40.23 | tarzeau | i like the http://io.debian.net/~tar/gnustep/ Debian Live CD |
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| 08:43.25 | PleXuS | if you build your own kernel is a kbuild package still needed? |
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| 08:47.14 | Wyzard | PleXuS: It's used (together with a kernel-headers package) for compiling third-party kernel modules |
| 08:47.31 | Wyzard | PleXuS: (things like the nVidia or ATI drivers' kernel modules, for example) |
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| 09:03.49 | abchirk | anyone knows a free dictionary / translator for palm? |
| 09:04.33 | Lagbolt | nope sorry |
| 09:04.43 | Supaplex | ECHAN :p |
| 09:04.46 | abchirk | Ah hi Lagbolt :) |
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| 09:04.55 | Lagbolt | how goes it |
| 09:05.18 | abchirk | mh quite good. :) |
| 09:05.39 | Lagbolt | good deal, i am just suffering in lab all night again on a friday! yeehaw |
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| 09:07.51 | abchirk | In which lab you're working? |
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| 09:09.11 | Lagbolt | i am in physics lab, grad student |
| 09:09.16 | abchirk | Oh cool. :) |
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| 09:09.44 | mardi | hi, i'm going to install debian etch soon. |
| 09:09.46 | Lagbolt | lol 5am in lab is not cool on a weekend. |
| 09:09.53 | Lagbolt | mardi, great!! |
| 09:09.57 | mardi | :D |
| 09:10.02 | cvn | hi, i just installed vncserver from pkg, and when i used TightVNC from windows to connect to the server, it fails.. how can i solve it? |
| 09:10.13 | Lagbolt | mardi, what do you run now? |
| 09:10.22 | mardi | Lagbolt: pclinuxos |
| 09:10.36 | Lagbolt | why the switch mardi ? |
| 09:10.43 | mardi | while pclinux has been great, i'm looking for a change of view |
| 09:10.47 | Lagbolt | cvn dont have any experience with that |
| 09:10.58 | Lagbolt | well debian is great :) i convert all my friends |
| 09:11.39 | mardi | my wife just installed debian onto an old system for her mum. it seems neat so i thought i'd give it a go |
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| 09:12.20 | Lagbolt | yeah? does her mum like it? i got my old man to use it |
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| 09:12.45 | mardi | we've yet to give her the system. my wife is still tweaking it. |
| 09:12.58 | mardi | how is debian with kde? |
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| 09:13.24 | HNT | Hi, simple question : I I want to change a raid device number (eg. from /dev/md4 to /dev/md1), can I just edit mdadm.conf ? (and of course, fstab + my menu.lst) |
| 09:13.29 | Lagbolt | kde is the same on debian as it is on other distros. personally i think it is too much. i use xfce |
| 09:13.30 | HNT | and then reboot |
| 09:13.32 | Steven_elvisda | can anyone guide with sendmail? my sendmail did not work with my debian. |
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| 09:13.43 | mardi | i forsee her mum having ms installed on it with in a few weeks... |
| 09:13.47 | Supaplex | !tell Steven_elvisda -about don't work |
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| 09:14.52 | Lagbolt | HNT, not sure, my raid ID is not in mdadm.conf, you might be able to do it that way or maybe you can just use the tools |
| 09:15.01 | mardi | is xfce qt or gtk? |
| 09:15.10 | Lagbolt | gtk |
| 09:15.38 | mardi | i really like using konqueror tho, could one use that in xfce? |
| 09:15.40 | HNT | Lagbolt: any idea on how to ? using mdadm I guess ? |
| 09:15.52 | Lagbolt | well i can look at the man page lol |
| 09:16.00 | Lagbolt | let me see if i see anything interesting |
| 09:16.21 | Steven_elvisda | Supaplex: i don know what error but when i install sendmail and use it with unrealird |
| 09:16.24 | Steven_elvisda | it does not work |
| 09:16.52 | cvn | hi, i just installed vncserver from pkg, and when i used TightVNC from windows to connect to the server, it fails.. how can i solve it? |
| 09:17.13 | cahoot | mardi: yes - but will pull in kdelibs and look like athe kde-app it is |
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| 09:18.42 | mardi | so, it'd look funky? |
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| 09:19.29 | Lagbolt | HNT, i dont see anything offhand but doesnt mean you cant change it |
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| 09:19.37 | mardi | Lagbolt: what browser do you use with xfce? |
| 09:19.42 | fasta | When I boot my machine, the X server starts after seeing the nvidia logo and then a message is shown with glyphs consisting of squares and when I press 'Ok', X crashes. I didn't upgrade anything since the previous boot. |
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| 09:20.13 | HNT | Lagbolt: ok, thank you for searching |
| 09:20.17 | Lagbolt | mardi, i use iceweasel (firefox) |
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| 09:20.52 | mardi | ok, thanks for the info :) |
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| 09:22.18 | Supaplex | Steven_elvisda: if you can't describe the symptoms of the issue, we're going to have a hard time understanding it, let alone helping you solve it |
| 09:22.26 | fasta | I also tried with the nv driver. There is no difference. |
| 09:22.32 | Supaplex | Steven_elvisda: anyway, I'm off to bed. good luck. |
| 09:22.58 | fasta | The last message I get from X is: refcount is 2, should be 1 |
| 09:23.25 | Steven_elvisda | good dream Supaplex |
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| 09:25.02 | ludal | hello all |
| 09:25.20 | ludal | can somebody help me ? |
| 09:25.30 | fasta | That's odd, it only doesn't work as root. |
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| 09:25.41 | fasta | !ask |
| 09:25.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 09:26.35 | ludal | I want to know what type of installation doing, I want to install debian on a laptop with only a floppy drive and a PCMCIA netcard, How can I do ? |
| 09:27.04 | fasta | ludal: there is documentation for installing Debian. |
| 09:28.31 | RaymondX | ludal: is there any existing os already installed on the system? perhaps like windows98? |
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| 09:28.43 | icesword_ | lol |
| 09:28.54 | fasta | Fontconfig seems to be broken. |
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| 09:29.51 | icesword_ | if it is win98,you could do this,in dos prompt,type grub,you need grub4dos,search it,then you got a grub environment.there you go |
| 09:30.07 | Lagbolt | floppy eh, i have never done it from floppy but i know there are installers. have you googled around for insrtuctions? |
| 09:30.10 | ludal | Yes, I have created the Disk for the installation with Win (boot, root, net1, net2 and Cd), I booted from the boot disk, I inserted the root disk and then |
| 09:30.25 | ludal | the net disk, and an error occured |
| 09:30.56 | Lagbolt | what was the error? |
| 09:31.09 | ludal | oops, can't remember :( |
| 09:31.11 | icesword_ | yaaaaaaaa,becareful with MBR |
| 09:31.55 | Lagbolt | hmm well not much anyone can do without the error. you dont have access to a usb HD or something you could use? |
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| 09:32.27 | ludal | non, my laptop is old, it can't boot from and USB drive |
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| 09:32.40 | icesword_ | you could do something like this,before you need a blank partition,no,maybe two or more, |
| 09:32.40 | ludal | I'm trying to get the error and tell you |
| 09:32.46 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 09:32.55 | icesword_ | if it is win98,you could do this,in dos prompt,type grub,you need grub4dos,search it,then you got a grub environment.there you go |
| 09:33.32 | ludal | and... ? A grub prompt can help me to install ? |
| 09:33.33 | icesword_ | then you can download debian.iso (like) extract it to a fat32 partition,like d:\ |
| 09:33.46 | ludal | mmm, OK |
| 09:34.03 | RaymondX | ludal: better still, there's a lot of debian netinstall programs that you can download from sourceforge |
| 09:34.05 | icesword_ | you can use grub command,like root (hd0,X) |
| 09:34.10 | ludal | Instead I have a 2GB USB drive, It can help ? |
| 09:34.15 | icesword_ | kernel something |
| 09:34.25 | icesword_ | initrd something,then boot |
| 09:34.36 | ludal | RaymondX: I didn't know |
| 09:34.40 | icesword_ | if i was wrong,some plz correct me |
| 09:35.31 | Lagbolt | is that question related to floppies? i am confused lol |
| 09:35.34 | PleXuS | <Wyzard> PleXuS: It's used (together with a kernel-headers package) for compiling third-party kernel modules |
| 09:35.41 | Lagbolt | i should really learn to sleep more |
| 09:35.42 | PleXuS | Wyzard, i dont use the headers package |
| 09:35.50 | icesword_ | backup your mbr before that |
| 09:35.57 | PleXuS | Wyzard, i download the source from kernel.org :) |
| 09:36.05 | icesword_ | i mean you windows one,you must assure one os could boot |
| 09:36.41 | icesword_ | ludal, tell us te whole story |
| 09:37.00 | ludal | Lagbolt: I thought, would I be able to download the Iso Cd image, and mount it by booting from a floppy, and install it from the Iso ? |
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| 09:37.19 | Lagbolt | oh oh i see what you mean |
| 09:37.29 | icesword_ | no,even don't neeed flooppy |
| 09:37.54 | ludal | I precise that I can't boot from USB drive |
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| 09:37.58 | Lagbolt | i thought CD wasnt an option |
| 09:38.00 | icesword_ | once you got a grub prompt,you can do everything |
| 09:38.12 | ludal | (and, I'm french, excuse me for my english :) ) |
| 09:38.38 | icesword_ | no worries,i don;'t speak it either,too many words to learn |
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| 09:39.11 | Lagbolt | yeah no problems here |
| 09:39.13 | ludal | I'm not a Linux god :-) It will be hard only from grub, I'm not a n00b but not far |
| 09:39.32 | icesword_ | you download grub4dos |
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| 09:39.40 | Lagbolt | i guess my question is can grub see a usb drive if your bios wont boot it? |
| 09:39.42 | icesword_ | extract it to like c:\ |
| 09:40.16 | icesword_ | then in win98;s bootup,press esc or f 8,i think,enter dos,type grub |
| 09:40.28 | icesword_ | then you got a grub environment |
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| 09:40.33 | pippijn_ | hi all |
| 09:40.38 | RaymondX | ludal: there are lots of windows-to-linux programs you can download....so far i only saw "wubi" but it installs ubuntu instead of debian...still searching for debian installers |
| 09:40.52 | pippijn_ | why are there no ipw3945-modules for lenny anymore? |
| 09:40.53 | icesword_ | wubi sucks |
| 09:40.59 | icesword_ | god forgive me |
| 09:41.09 | icesword_ | it cannot run in that kind of machine |
| 09:41.23 | icesword_ | like ludal 's |
| 09:41.32 | Erik12 | why does the "grub loading stage1.5." take so long ? what can I do about it ? (dual boot debian/winxp) |
| 09:41.41 | Lagbolt | take long? |
| 09:41.41 | icesword_ | ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 09:41.47 | Lagbolt | Erik12, you mean the 30 second pause |
| 09:41.50 | icesword_ | where is /boot |
| 09:41.56 | icesword_ | Erik12, |
| 09:42.02 | icesword_ | is it lost |
| 09:42.04 | ludal | Ok, I'll donwload grub4dos and teel you |
| 09:42.07 | Caelum | dual booting sucks, using kvm/vmware or something |
| 09:42.15 | icesword_ | yaaaaaaaaaa |
| 09:42.25 | icesword_ | they will messup mbr |
| 09:42.29 | icesword_ | damn!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:42.38 | Erik12 | boot is NOT on separate part., if that is what you mean |
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| 09:42.48 | SidStudios | Hey |
| 09:42.56 | SidStudios | Does Debian use a newer Linux kernel than Ubuntu? |
| 09:43.06 | Erik12 | icesword_ : no , not lost |
| 09:43.07 | icesword_ | Erik12, that usually means stage 1.5 or something is lost |
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| 09:43.33 | pinto3 | maybe it's not the stable distro |
| 09:43.36 | Caelum | SidStudios: you can use any kernel you want in any distribution |
| 09:43.40 | Erik12 | icesword_: what do you mean 'lost' ? deleted ? |
| 09:43.41 | icesword_ | Erik12, google grub load error 15? |
| 09:44.03 | Lagbolt | SidStudios, depends on if you run testing/unstable etc but testing is 24 and new ubuntu is 24 when it comes out |
| 09:44.17 | SidStudios | Caelum: would you recommend using the stable debian or ubuntu 7.10? |
| 09:44.22 | icesword_ | new=unstable,no good |
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| 09:44.35 | Erik12 | Caelum: yeah, vmware is nice, but i always have issues with hardware....dvd writing etc |
| 09:44.39 | icesword_ | Erik12, what you got |
| 09:44.55 | SidStudios | Lagbolt: Do you think that Debian stable is a better idea than ubuntu 7.10? |
| 09:44.58 | Lagbolt | SidStudios, this is #debian what do you think |
| 09:45.04 | RaymondX | there it is >>>>> http://lifehacker.com/software/linux/test+drive-debian-with-easy-windows-installer-232116.php |
| 09:45.12 | pippijn | SidStudios: yes |
| 09:45.30 | Lagbolt | stable deb is a lil behind 7.10 , i would run testing. it has never done me wrong |
| 09:45.31 | dutchfish | hi can i slice image in pieces in etch gnome desktop with a graphical app? |
| 09:45.47 | SidStudios | Any specific reason? I'm coming to hate ubuntu but I have Windows Vista, it runs perfectly since I took off all the bloat, but it's annoying how Windows XP works better than it |
| 09:45.48 | icesword_ | RaymondX, wha tis trick,that guy want to install debian on a win98 machine |
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| 09:46.17 | Erik12 | icesword_: there is no error message, just a long wait. |
| 09:46.29 | icesword_ | hehehe |
| 09:46.40 | icesword_ | no,you google it.error what? |
| 09:46.46 | icesword_ | let me do it |
| 09:46.59 | SidStudios | Is there anything special about Debian which ubuntu doesn't have? |
| 09:47.00 | icesword_ | Erik12, error code is what? |
| 09:47.08 | icesword_ | hohohohoho |
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| 09:47.23 | icesword_ | !define gnu/linux |
| 09:47.26 | DeathWolf | -!- A synonym for the Linux system. In fact, GNU/Linux is the more accurate term because it makes a distinction between the kernel - Linux - and much ... |
| 09:47.27 | RaymondX | SidStudios: yes, it runs faster |
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| 09:47.30 | icesword_ | ahh,sorry, |
| 09:48.06 | icesword_ | Erik12, i need your error code |
| 09:48.37 | SidStudios | Ok |
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| 09:48.40 | SidStudios | So I'm going for Debian |
| 09:48.44 | SidStudios | Screwbuntu |
| 09:48.50 | dutchfish | SidStudios, most of us did choose debian for stability and security |
| 09:49.00 | SidStudios | Dutchfish: And you used the stable distro? |
| 09:49.03 | SidStudios | The stable release? |
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| 09:49.17 | icesword_ | !lenny |
| 09:49.17 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
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| 09:49.52 | dutchfish | SidStudios, it depends on your needs, i prefer etch, but on the newest hardware it is sometimes neccesary to run testing or even sid (drivers) |
| 09:50.29 | dutchfish | SidStudios, so tell us what your needs are ... |
| 09:50.33 | Lagbolt | SidStudios, yeah and you can run a hibrid pulling some packages from testing/sid if you want and mix it up. |
| 09:50.36 | icesword_ | yaa,etch is too old,debian ers realize this too,i think ,coz etch ---> lenny is a big jump |
| 09:50.55 | SidStudios | I have a compaq laptop with the weirdest config, which takes quite some work on ubuntu to get working right too |
| 09:51.10 | SidStudios | Broadcom Wireless, Conexant HD Audio |
| 09:51.22 | Lagbolt | i used to run SID with almost no trouble. if you are careful when you upgrade packages. testing has been basically solid for me |
| 09:51.29 | dutchfish | SidStudios, but for 80% of the hardware etch or etch with backports will do nicely |
| 09:51.32 | Lagbolt | SidStudios, broadcom :( hate it. i have a 4311 |
| 09:51.33 | SidStudios | If I'm able to fix it on Ubuntu 7.10, will I be able to fix it on etch? |
| 09:51.56 | SidStudios | Lagbolt: really? Can I add you on MSN if I'm in desperate need of help? I have the same one as you |
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| 09:53.03 | SidStudios | ? |
| 09:53.11 | SidStudios | What suddenly happened? |
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| 09:53.34 | SidStudios | :| |
| 09:53.37 | dutchfish | SidStudios, there is a miriad of docs on www.debian.org and you can use IRC too if docs dont provide an answer |
| 09:53.48 | icesword_ | dutchfish, the debian install iso is livecd or text based one |
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| 09:53.51 | dutchfish | !fish |
| 09:53.51 | dpkg | "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate. Instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, ask us which docs to read, read them, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered. |
| 09:54.27 | dutchfish | ice_nine, grpagical or text based, your choice |
| 09:54.31 | SidStudios | Hey, do you think that FreeBSD might be a better idea than Debian? |
| 09:54.45 | Caelum | freebsd is a great OS |
| 09:54.47 | pippijn | SidStudios: depends on what you use it for |
| 09:54.49 | Caelum | but this is #debian |
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| 09:54.56 | icesword_ | dutchfish, is this languauge in your older one,you got it from others,because we have the saome one too, |
| 09:54.58 | tarzeau | Caelum: there's Debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 09:55.03 | tarzeau | check #gnu-kbsd |
| 09:55.03 | Caelum | that too :) |
| 09:55.19 | icesword_ | shou zhi yi yu,bu ruo shou zhi yi yu |
| 09:55.20 | SidStudios | Caelum: For a laptop, which would you recommend more? |
| 09:55.20 | tarzeau | SidStudios: you can have a freebsd kernel with Debian and apt-get |
| 09:55.31 | tarzeau | SidStudios: how old is the laptop? and what will it be used for? |
| 09:55.32 | pippijn | SidStudios: stull depends on what you use it for |
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| 09:55.36 | dutchfish | icesword_, ? |
| 09:55.43 | icesword_ | which one |
| 09:55.44 | tarzeau | a network server? multimedia? workstation? gaming? |
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| 09:56.12 | SidStudios | tarzeau: It's about 6 months old, it has Broadcom wireless and AMD Turion X2, 2GHz, 4GB of RAM and about 128MB of Nvidia Memoery |
| 09:56.23 | SidStudios | I guess Multimedia, programming, web coding |
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| 09:56.28 | SidStudios | But not a server |
| 09:56.30 | SidStudios | I don't need LAMP |
| 09:56.35 | icesword_ | dutchfish, give a man fish "that sentence,we do have the same saying here in my languauge, |
| 09:56.44 | dutchfish | SidStudios, i would choose etch then ;) |
| 09:57.04 | tarzeau | SidStudios: debian definitely |
| 09:57.09 | dutchfish | ice_nine, ic :0 |
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| 09:57.21 | icesword_ | !tab |
| 09:57.21 | dpkg | well, tab is part of the varndean crew, slightly slimy at times though, or a very old diet soda. tabtabtab, or what reasonably intelligent irc clients will let you use to recall the nick that most recently posted something in a channel. |
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| 09:57.47 | icesword_ | dutchfish, i am not ice_nine |
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| 09:58.16 | ktwilight[m] | any clues on this http://rafb.net/p/b8YAUM39.html ? |
| 09:58.22 | dutchfish | icesword_, yup saw that too late sorry |
| 09:58.26 | ktwilight[m] | it's a dpkg parse error for a particular package |
| 09:58.29 | mardi | welp, i'm going to try to netinstall etch, wish me luck! |
| 09:58.32 | ktwilight[m] | i can't do a dpkg -l at all 'cuz of it |
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| 09:58.51 | salvin | http://galileo.dmi.unict.it/utenti/Earl/ |
| 09:59.08 | mardi | fine then... cya |
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| 09:59.43 | icesword_ | thinks debianers will ot wish you luck,lol |
| 09:59.46 | SidStudios | Do you guys think that Debian Lenny (when it's released in September) will be > Ubuntu 8.04? |
| 09:59.47 | Caelum | ktwilight[m]: try mv /var/lib/dpkg/available-old /var/lib/dpkg/available |
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| 10:00.19 | icesword_ | !tell SidStudios about ubuntu |
| 10:00.25 | phorce1 | SidStudios: apples/tomatoes |
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| 10:00.51 | icesword_ | luo bo bai cai,ge you suo ai |
| 10:00.56 | SidStudios | phorce1: No, it isn't |
| 10:01.03 | ktwilight[m] | Caelum, that works. thanks! but wouldn't that mean i'm losing all info about packages? |
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| 10:01.08 | ktwilight[m] | or at least, to the last backup |
| 10:01.15 | SidStudios | Icesword, are you from China? |
| 10:01.29 | Caelum | ktwilight[m]: that's not your installed package db |
| 10:01.38 | ktwilight[m] | what's it then? :/ |
| 10:01.52 | crashanddie | SidStudios, is IRC allowed in China? :P |
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| 10:02.05 | Caelum | ktwilight[m]: available packages, from apt-get update |
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| 10:02.23 | ktwilight[m] | oh |
| 10:02.27 | ktwilight[m] | runs apt-get update again |
| 10:02.28 | ktwilight[m] | thanks |
| 10:02.32 | SidStudios | crashanddie: I heard Wikipedia works there now :p |
| 10:02.51 | crashanddie | sweet |
| 10:03.01 | dutchfish | !why debian |
| 10:03.01 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 10:03.07 | Caelum | ktwilight[m]: /var/lib/dpkg/status is your package db |
| 10:04.03 | ktwilight[m] | Caelum, any particular reason why available is corrupted? |
| 10:04.11 | ktwilight[m] | or it's just mis-packaging? |
| 10:04.13 | Caelum | ktwilight[m]: it happes sometimes, very rarely |
| 10:04.15 | SidStudios | So would Debian etch be good enoug hfor me? |
| 10:04.20 | ktwilight[m] | ah i see |
| 10:04.37 | tarzeau | wireless world since february 1915 aha http://gnu.ethz.ch/photos/london2007more/img_5587.jpg |
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| 10:05.58 | purpleferret | SidStudios: are you a gnome user? |
| 10:06.03 | SidStudios | Yeah |
| 10:06.17 | SidStudios | I hate KDE more than I hate Mac OS X |
| 10:06.35 | crashanddie | purpleferret, I don't even see why that question should be asked, I know a lot of people who use KDE running on debian |
| 10:07.05 | RaymondX | SidStudios:tried fluxbox? |
| 10:07.06 | dutchfish | SidStudios, then i would choose etch, if this wont work out for your needs you can always upgrade to lenny easely or use backports |
| 10:07.09 | crashanddie | though, I'm a gnome user, and the base gnome installation is just awesome |
| 10:07.14 | Smoker | kde rulz ;) |
| 10:07.24 | purpleferret | crashanddie: it was asked because I desired an answer |
| 10:07.25 | crashanddie | (debian version, that is) |
| 10:07.58 | SidStudios | Does anyone here use Debian with a laptop, and does it hibernate successfully? |
| 10:08.05 | Lagbolt | yeah crashanddie , i dont think he was saying anything bad about kde lol |
| 10:08.06 | crashanddie | SidStudios, yeah, no problems |
| 10:08.06 | phorce1 | tarzeau: note the bottom left. "[Elect]ronic valves ina few years" -- I think was more than a few yaers after that issue before transistors started replacing vavles (tubes) |
| 10:08.13 | purpleferret | SidStudios: yes |
| 10:08.13 | Lagbolt | SidStudios, i hibernate and suspend |
| 10:08.18 | dutchfish | SidStudios, yes |
| 10:08.18 | tarzeau | does someone know how to "entzerren" a picture with gimp or hugin? |
| 10:08.22 | Lagbolt | works out of the box SidStudios |
| 10:08.23 | esteel | SidStudios: i do.. though funnily my desktop does not :P |
| 10:08.39 | crashanddie | tarzeau, I doubt this is the right place to ask, maybe you should try on irc.gimp.net |
| 10:08.47 | tarzeau | crashanddie: ok |
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| 10:09.09 | SidStudios | Lagbolt: Thanks |
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| 10:09.16 | SidStudios | Ubuntu's hibernate/suspend never workd |
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| 10:09.28 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 10:09.35 | crashanddie | Never had any problems with that one either |
| 10:09.42 | crashanddie | SidStudios, what make/model ? |
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| 10:10.31 | SidStudios | crashanddie: Compaq Presario V3500/V3000 series |
| 10:10.43 | SidStudios | I think it's because of the Turion X2 processor |
| 10:10.45 | PleXuS | hi all.. getting weard problem on my debian ---> /bin/sh: gcc: command not found |
| 10:10.51 | PleXuS | and Gcc is installed :| |
| 10:11.05 | Lagbolt | SidStudios, i have turion X2 |
| 10:11.11 | Lagbolt | HP |
| 10:11.15 | dutchfish | !tell PleXuS about build-essential |
| 10:11.52 | purpleferret | he just said gcc is installed |
| 10:12.04 | SidStudios | Lagbolt: I have Compaq, same thing :D |
| 10:12.12 | Lagbolt | PleXuS, what do you do to get that error |
| 10:12.15 | SidStudios | Lagbolt: Do you have M--sn ? I might need to add you for help |
| 10:12.23 | Lagbolt | PleXuS, run a script? dpkg? apt? make file what |
| 10:12.29 | SidStudios | In case my internet doesn't work |
| 10:12.39 | Lagbolt | msn eh lol |
| 10:12.50 | SidStudios | Yeah, I got muted or something the last Time I said "MSN" |
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| 10:13.05 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 10:13.31 | Lagbolt | i prefer others to M. . . s n but i do have it |
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| 10:14.57 | Lagbolt | SidStudios, if you need me and i am online i will be in here tho. if i am able to talk on m s n i will be on IRC |
| 10:15.05 | SidStudios | Ok |
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| 10:15.34 | Lagbolt | ahhhhh just another BOMBTRACK :) |
| 10:15.43 | SidStudios | Time to install debian :D |
| 10:15.49 | crashanddie | SidStudios, if it's the issue where the laptop wakes up after suspend to ram, leds pop up, and disks are churning, but the screen never wakes up, then it's a device issue |
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| 10:17.24 | PleXuS | Lagbolt, make menuconfig thats what i do |
| 10:17.56 | Lagbolt | PleXuS, what if you do "which gcc" |
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| 10:18.20 | Lagbolt | PleXuS, you installing a kernel? |
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| 10:19.17 | Lagbolt | PleXuS, and you say you have gcc installed? are you absolutly sure? "dpkg -l | grep gcc" |
| 10:19.40 | icesword_ | less /proc/version |
| 10:19.47 | crashanddie | PleXuS, did you install build-essential ? |
| 10:20.35 | icesword_ | dpkg is broken,i just !tell somebody,then dpkg told me, |
| 10:21.01 | Lagbolt | PleXuS, there is also kernel-package |
| 10:22.25 | icesword_ | that win98 guy still here? |
| 10:23.29 | Lagbolt | icesword_, i think it was ludal |
| 10:23.39 | icesword_ | yes |
| 10:23.50 | icesword_ | ludal, what you doing now |
| 10:23.58 | ludal | crying... |
| 10:24.02 | icesword_ | what |
| 10:24.07 | hoxu | !turday |
| 10:24.08 | dpkg | You are in a room crowded with gleeful lunatics and frustrated long-bearded fellows. You can see the <saturday> factoid hanging on the wall and <sunday> is lurking right around the corner. Exits: </part>, </quit> |
| 10:25.06 | ludal | I can't find any solution... It seems to be very hard to install from floppy |
| 10:25.33 | ludal | I've got a ash shell... and don't know what to do with it |
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| 10:25.45 | icesword_ | ahhhh,you feared of data loss or win98 's boot up failure? |
| 10:26.05 | ludal | no, don't mind losing Win... |
| 10:26.24 | ludal | I't the aim of the installation |
| 10:26.43 | icesword_ | yaaa,this is hd install,while debian could be installed via many manyways,just some guys keep silent |
| 10:27.11 | icesword_ | ludal, so you download that grub ,right,and you got grub> ,right? |
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| 10:28.14 | ludal | I can't have a dos prompt by pressing F8, the "command line" option is booting Win in safe mode |
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| 10:28.28 | icesword_ | what?you said it is win98 |
| 10:28.48 | ludal | Non, I didn't say that |
| 10:28.58 | icesword_ | then win version? |
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| 10:29.18 | ludal | XP |
| 10:29.23 | icesword_ | ohhhhhhh |
| 10:29.33 | icesword_ | you should tell me that earlier |
| 10:29.42 | ludal | :D sorry |
| 10:29.53 | icesword_ | like this,c:\grldr=install linux |
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| 10:30.04 | icesword_ | that grldr is in that rar file |
| 10:30.52 | icesword_ | you need to extract grldr and menu.lst to c:\ |
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| 10:31.33 | ludal | Ok, I'm booting WinXP and tell you |
| 10:32.09 | MonsieurP | you're booting what ? |
| 10:32.23 | Lagbolt | MonsieurP, lol yeah you heard right |
| 10:32.24 | ludal | the laptop I want to install debien onto |
| 10:32.29 | MonsieurP | :[ |
| 10:32.35 | ludal | debian |
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| 10:35.24 | ludal | grldr is not a know command (not an executable) |
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| 10:36.43 | icesword_ | ahhh,see above?it is c:\grldr=install linux,(which grldr is from that rar file you download,and also need menu.lst |
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| 10:37.37 | ludal | yes, I lauched a command line but grldr is not a command |
| 10:37.48 | ludal | ok, I have to go, I'll try later |
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| 10:38.14 | ludal | thanks for your help |
| 10:38.19 | icesword_ | ahhh,i am sorry,i forgot,you should add that line to boot.ini |
| 10:38.24 | icesword_ | i am sorry |
| 10:38.33 | ludal | ah, oki :D |
| 10:38.50 | ludal | no pb, I should have read the readme |
| 10:38.57 | icesword_ | yaaaa |
| 10:38.59 | icesword_ | good start |
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| 10:39.21 | cjsoftuk | Hi, Running a debian server here (Apache, PHP, CUPS etc) and I'm trying to force my USB Canon i560 printer (via CUPS) to output pages reverse order (No matter what they were sent as). Tried DefaultOutputOrder, no effect. I'm using IPP. Can anyone suggest a way of overriding outputorder on a cups server without changing the source? |
| 10:39.47 | icesword_ | qingshan, excuse me,sir,anyone here familiar with that c:\grldr=install linux trick,have a talk with me?just after root (hd0,X),how to write kernel command in that menu.lst |
| 10:40.03 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, lol that one's weird - i suppose you've tried all available settings through, right? |
| 10:40.10 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, what program(s) are you printing with? |
| 10:40.14 | Lewoco | If samba starts during the normal boot procedure, it will not be able to resolve it's own hostname (using wins). If I stop it and start again, it will be able to resolve it's own hostname just fine. Any ideas why? |
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| 10:40.38 | qingshan | sorry,i don't know |
| 10:40.41 | dante_2core | Lewoco, sounds like something's being set after samba loads at bootup |
| 10:40.53 | Lewoco | dante_2core, Yeah, but what? |
| 10:40.58 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core: The issue is that I have windows client printing huge documents (up to 60 pages) and the users don't want to shuffle the pages |
| 10:41.07 | Caelum | Lewoco: do you have an /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts ? |
| 10:41.09 | icesword_ | qingshan, i suppose you are chinese,that grub4dos is from there,(i guess) |
| 10:41.11 | cjsoftuk | Thus they want me to reverse all documents to the specific printer |
| 10:41.21 | bluesceada_ | hm anyone knows how to get network-manager working? |
| 10:41.25 | ludal | I will go, thanks, I'll probably be back :D |
| 10:41.40 | dante_2core | Lewoco, that's the question :D google for hostname setting, or maybe it's some kinda network service |
| 10:41.59 | dante_2core | Lewoco, look if in /etc/hosts, there's a line "127.0.0.1 <yourhostname>" |
| 10:42.02 | dante_2core | and if not, put one there |
| 10:42.13 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core: So the clients are WinXP PCs, with Word, etc etc. I know there's a reverse pages option there |
| 10:42.18 | cjsoftuk | but nobody wants to use it |
| 10:42.28 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, I see - uhm, printing with linux, does it work? |
| 10:42.37 | dante_2core | (not staring a flame war, just trying to locate the problem) |
| 10:43.04 | cahoot | cjsoftuk: can this be of use? http://www.cups.org/documentation.php/options.h |
| 10:43.08 | cahoot | tml |
| 10:43.23 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core: from Linux, If I use lp, it works fine from the server, but from my desktop (cups relay) it's the wrong order |
| 10:43.35 | cjsoftuk | cahoot: Been there, tried that, doesn't work, sadly! |
| 10:43.49 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, your desktop = linux, right? hmn |
| 10:44.04 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core: It would appear that CUPS can't override an OutputOrder directive from a client |
| 10:44.10 | cjsoftuk | which is what I want to do# |
| 10:44.18 | dante_2core | maybe a permission question? |
| 10:44.21 | cjsoftuk | at least, if it can do it, I don;t know how |
| 10:44.39 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core: I tried DefaultOutputOrder in the PPD, no go |
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| 10:45.04 | cjsoftuk | and the -o outputorder=reverse on lpoptions |
| 10:45.07 | Lewoco | dante_2core, Well the local machine name is not present in /etc/hosts, but I can't imagine why this would affect WINS name resolution... |
| 10:45.07 | cjsoftuk | no go |
| 10:45.25 | dante_2core | Lewoco, well it does, did for me, at least. put the line there anyway |
| 10:45.45 | qingshan | icesword_: Are you come from china? |
| 10:45.45 | Caelum | firefox is really slow with hundreds of tabs open :P |
| 10:45.55 | icesword_ | qingshan, yep |
| 10:45.55 | Lewoco | dante_2core, That's pretty wierd, but I'll try it. Thanks. |
| 10:46.04 | dante_2core | Lewoco, I know - but I had had programs working afterwords when doing that |
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| 10:46.24 | qingshan | icesword_: hehe,I am in Zhengzhou |
| 10:46.44 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core: I'm wondering if I can specify -o outputorder=reverse somewhere |
| 10:46.44 | dante_2core | women dou shuo hanyu |
| 10:46.50 | icesword_ | qingshan, ahhhh,i suppose you have baidu my ip.i am in XUCHANG |
| 10:47.07 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, supposedly in some ocnfig :D, lemme have a look where that could be. |
| 10:47.16 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core: thanks |
| 10:47.29 | icesword_ | qingshan, so you play with debian?what you do there |
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| 10:47.57 | qingshan | icesword_,I am install kubuntu |
| 10:48.16 | qingshan | icesword_,I use Gentoo and ubuntu |
| 10:48.23 | icesword_ | dante_2core, pardon.women dou shuo hanyu? |
| 10:48.51 | dante_2core | :D |
| 10:48.57 | icesword_ | ? |
| 10:48.59 | dante_2core | chinese at school in switzerland |
| 10:49.05 | qingshan | icesword_,So bad my english! |
| 10:49.23 | dante_2core | facultative subject here |
| 10:49.35 | Caelum | what time is it over there? |
| 10:49.43 | icesword_ | where |
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| 10:50.02 | Caelum | where you are |
| 10:50.13 | icesword_ | yaaaa,GMT +8 |
| 10:50.44 | qingshan | icesword_,Are you a Student? |
| 10:50.49 | icesword_ | no |
| 10:52.06 | qingshan | icesword_,Can you give me your E-Mail address?My:boltdriver@gmail.com |
| 10:52.18 | icesword_ | qingshan, why |
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| 10:52.36 | qingshan | icesword_,Study with you? |
| 10:52.38 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core: Any idea where I can add the command yet? |
| 10:52.42 | Lewoco | dante_2core, Ok, I added hostname to /etc/hosts, but nmblookup hostname still fails... |
| 10:52.48 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, not yet |
| 10:53.05 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, got backup work to do next to that here, so i'm kinda slow |
| 10:53.14 | cjsoftuk | ah right |
| 10:53.19 | icesword_ | qingshan, huh,no,you can learn here,also you could read books,books are good teacher |
| 10:53.22 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, try /etc/cups/something |
| 10:53.43 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core, cos i'm using gutenprint, there must be a command to run gutenprint somewhere |
| 10:53.47 | qingshan | icesword_,ok,i know,thanks |
| 10:54.18 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core: the PPD calls rastertogutenprint.5.0 |
| 10:54.19 | Lewoco | dante_2core, I had a look at the log.nmdb and for some reason nmdb just never adds the hostname to it's name database, but there are no error messages and it doesn't give any indication of why it doesn't... |
| 10:54.25 | cjsoftuk | for the cups filter |
| 10:55.05 | dante_2core | Lewoco, where is its name database then? |
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| 10:55.55 | Lewoco | dante_2core, I have no idea how it stores it's list of netbios names. |
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| 10:56.57 | Lewoco | Caelum, I definately have an /etc/hostname and indeed I checked that the value returned by the hostname program is correct at the time the nmdb server is started. |
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| 10:57.03 | dante_2core | Lewoco, ok I see. so, situation is like that: samba starts (with the init script) and does not know its own hostname, but if you restart it when the computer is already running it'll work |
| 10:57.13 | Lewoco | dan2, Yup. |
| 10:57.28 | dante_2core | do you need that hostname discovery to be dynamic? |
| 10:57.30 | Caelum | Lewoco: you could just change the priority of the init script... |
| 10:57.38 | dante_2core | because possibly you can specify your hostname in the samba config somewhere |
| 10:57.48 | dante_2core | Caelum, make it load later, you mean? |
| 10:57.54 | Caelum | yeah |
| 10:57.56 | Lewoco | dante_2core, I don't need anything, but I'd like it nevertheless =) |
| 10:57.59 | Caelum | update-rc.d |
| 10:58.05 | babbage | I am using LVM and RAID. My system works fine, but I want to make a rescue DVD just in case.... Where do I start? |
| 10:58.22 | dante_2core | dancek, maybe you can really specify it in the samba config |
| 10:58.28 | dante_2core | sorry |
| 10:58.30 | dante_2core | wrong nick |
| 10:58.31 | babbage | s/RAID/MD RAID-1/ |
| 10:58.41 | dante_2core | Lewoco, maybe you can really specify it in the samba config |
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| 10:59.23 | cahoot | cjsoftuk: FWIW 'lpoptions -p hp5laser -o outputorder=reverse' results in reversed print order |
| 10:59.38 | cjsoftuk | cahoot: locally only though |
| 10:59.47 | cjsoftuk | cahoot: I'm printing from a remote location |
| 11:00.07 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, so we need to change the way your printer server processes jobs from outside |
| 11:00.12 | cahoot | locally as in a LAN? then |
| 11:00.18 | cjsoftuk | yes |
| 11:00.31 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core: yes, in effect |
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| 11:00.53 | cjsoftuk | outside being outside that PC |
| 11:01.06 | cjsoftuk | if I print from any machine other than the cups server |
| 11:01.14 | cjsoftuk | I get the pages in the wrong roder |
| 11:01.47 | dante_2core | omg - anyone has an idea why the .mpd/mpd.log file takes HUGE dimensions? it's growing to gigabytes all the time |
| 11:02.05 | cjsoftuk | on my linux desktop (which prints to the print server in question, adding the DefaultOutputOrder: Reverse) |
| 11:02.08 | cjsoftuk | works |
| 11:02.17 | Lewoco | dante_2core, Well what's in the log? |
| 11:02.50 | dante_2core | Lewoco, just looked it up, it's from my script - my script which shows it's state on my LCD of the G15 keyboard looks at the state of mpd every second once |
| 11:03.01 | dante_2core | Lewoco, and mpd logs that every time with ~5 lines XD |
| 11:03.23 | dante_2core | zomg, srsly. |
| 11:03.38 | dante_2core | its state* |
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| 11:04.09 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, try'n'google for something like cups server options or alike |
| 11:04.21 | dante_2core | there must be something we can specify that changes the behaviour of external jobs |
| 11:04.28 | cjsoftuk | I'm having a stab at having a filter as a bash script |
| 11:04.39 | dante_2core | hmn k |
| 11:04.44 | cjsoftuk | that calls the real filter with extra options |
| 11:04.57 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, sounds good |
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| 11:05.20 | dante_2core | anyone knowing if it's good to make my notebook turn of its harddrive when not in use on the go? heard spinning drives up and down all the time is not good |
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| 11:07.14 | MoDaX | dante_2core: no, it's not good. and you save maximum 1W, ~0.5W on avarage, but increase risk of hdd failure |
| 11:07.29 | icesword_ | lol |
| 11:07.47 | dante_2core | MoDaX, I see - also if the drive is turned off for a longer time? - when coding / browsing code, I don't really need it being turned on |
| 11:08.24 | dante_2core | I'll get one of those SSDs these days then -. |
| 11:09.14 | MoDaX | dante_2core: if it's more than for 10min, I think it's worth it. but I hardly imagine if it's possible |
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| 11:09.34 | MoDaX | switching on/off every 10 secs will be hdd killer |
| 11:09.48 | dante_2core | MoDaX, well if I could make it not turn on without asking me, that'd be fine |
| 11:09.51 | MoDaX | not to mention annoying |
| 11:10.00 | dante_2core | I often edit like one single file |
| 11:10.25 | sin_ | hello, I installed lenny today and it seems that it tries to boot from hdx whereas I only have sdx, how can I change /proc/cmdline ? or menu.lst for grub ? (I can't cd into /boot) |
| 11:10.25 | dante_2core | saving that to a memory card plugged into the card reader while coding, and not changing anything else at the system would do the job |
| 11:10.46 | Lewoco | Caelum, You're right, if I prevent samba during boot, and start it manually, then nmblookup will work fine immediately without needing to restart it. |
| 11:10.48 | dante_2core | sin_, how far does it boot? not at all? does grub come up? |
| 11:10.49 | MoDaX | dante_2core: there is laptop-mode-tools. but use it with caution |
| 11:11.00 | dante_2core | MoDaX, I have that installed but disabled |
| 11:11.08 | dante_2core | MoDaX, as I saw that it reenables the drive all the time |
| 11:11.13 | sin_ | dante_2core, grub loads, then it uncompresses the kernel and then when it says Loading, please wait... it stops |
| 11:11.14 | Lewoco | Caelum, So it's just being started too early. There must be something wrong with the scripts or dependencies. What is the easiest way to change script order? |
| 11:11.17 | sin_ | and then I get the debian shell |
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| 11:11.25 | qubodup | hi there |
| 11:11.27 | dante_2core | sin_, you can edit the grub stuff _in_ grub |
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| 11:11.43 | Caelum | Lewoco: update--rc.d |
| 11:11.49 | sin_ | ALERT! /dev/hda1 does not exist. Dropping to a shell etc, |
| 11:11.52 | s0l5 | does anyone have a guide on how to setup snort on debian/fedora? |
| 11:11.55 | dante_2core | if you manage to get your sys to boot with those modifications, you can then go to /boot/grub/menu.lst and change stuff there |
| 11:12.00 | MoDaX | dante_2core: I think you can increase timeout in config |
| 11:12.04 | sin_ | dante_2core, alright |
| 11:12.06 | qubodup | can you tell me how to set the default gcc to 4.1? I have multiple installed, but the nvidia driver installer will only use 4.2 (which is a problem for the installer) |
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| 11:12.26 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core: I may be onto something here |
| 11:12.30 | dante_2core | MoDaX, well, I mean that I can't stop the system from getting the drive back when I accidentally try'n'do something that requires writing |
| 11:12.34 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, great, tell me |
| 11:12.42 | MoDaX | qubodup: use nvidia drivers in non-free. do not use nvidia.com drivers |
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| 11:13.11 | qubodup | MoDaX: why not? (I have problems with both =( ) |
| 11:13.12 | dante_2core | qubodup, export CC='gcc-4.1' |
| 11:13.20 | MoDaX | dante_2core: hmm, what other choice does system have? stall? |
| 11:13.21 | qubodup | thank you dante_2core |
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| 11:13.43 | dante_2core | MoDaX, yes, or not do what I told it and tell me HD not running, turn on / not do what you wanted? |
| 11:13.59 | qubodup | MoDaX: for some reason, if I have nvidia drivers set in xorg.conf, X won't start/work after reboot |
| 11:14.14 | MoDaX | qubodup: nvidia.com install will install files to random places which will be overriden by gl upgrade anyway |
| 11:14.17 | dante_2core | qubodup, module not loaded in most cases... |
| 11:14.26 | qubodup | hm |
| 11:14.27 | MoDaX | installer* |
| 11:14.30 | dante_2core | MoDaX, I know, but handling that, it'll work fine |
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| 11:14.48 | qubodup | though I'm sure I configured the one text file to load it at boot. but yes, that sounds logical |
| 11:14.49 | dante_2core | MoDaX, and I do a lot of gaming and have a necessity for twinview |
| 11:14.52 | sin_ | dante_2core, what do I have to type in grub console to change root to sda1 ? |
| 11:15.01 | qubodup | I'll try the debian way then one more time. thanks. |
| 11:15.01 | dante_2core | sin_, do you have it in front of you? |
| 11:15.11 | dante_2core | wait, i'll load a grub on my other box, brb |
| 11:15.13 | sin_ | dante_2core, yes |
| 11:15.34 | MoDaX | the debian way will not work once nvidia.com screwed up your system |
| 11:15.40 | MoDaX | ehh, he left |
| 11:15.40 | dante_2core | sin_, i'll shut down my notebook now and go into grub now... |
| 11:16.02 | dante_2core | MoDaX, well - I had pretty good experience with the prop drivers for 2 years now |
| 11:16.09 | sin_ | dante_2core, ok thx |
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| 11:16.29 | MoDaX | dante_2core: are you using unstable or testing? |
| 11:16.35 | dante_2core | unstable |
| 11:16.49 | dante_2core | well, in fact unstable and parts of testing. |
| 11:17.00 | hp | cannot startx,damn it |
| 11:17.11 | dutchfish | sin_, http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/root.html#root |
| 11:17.26 | dante_2core | sin_, you can take the entry you want to boot and press "e" |
| 11:17.39 | dante_2core | then, on the kernel line, you can press e again |
| 11:17.45 | dante_2core | change the root-thingy to what you need |
| 11:17.57 | MoDaX | then /usr/bin/libGL.so updates should break your nvidia.com driver 3D |
| 11:18.01 | dante_2core | and then press enter, and then b to boot |
| 11:18.10 | dante_2core | MoDaX, yes they do - I just reinstall the driver |
| 11:18.21 | dante_2core | MoDaX, actually, I have a script putting files back in place |
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| 11:18.39 | sin_ | dante_2core, ok done it :D thx |
| 11:18.43 | MoDaX | dante_2core: that's not what I call good thing :) |
| 11:18.45 | dante_2core | sin_, does it work? |
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| 11:19.12 | dante_2core | sin_, if it does, you need to make the changes permanent by editing /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 11:19.19 | dante_2core | now you only changed it for this one time |
| 11:19.38 | dante_2core | MoDaX, well, it's not super clean, yes, but it's nothing very messy imo |
| 11:19.48 | dante_2core | MoDaX, does the non-free thingy have twinview and full accel and all? |
| 11:19.48 | sin_ | dante_2core, yes I mounted root, now I need to mount boot so that I can use the kernel command to set it to the appropriate sda1 |
| 11:19.57 | sin_ | but I can't see how to mount boot |
| 11:19.58 | sin_ | hmm |
| 11:20.10 | dante_2core | sin_, where are you? in a shell after boot? so the system booted fine? |
| 11:20.29 | sin_ | yes in a shell in grub, I am tyring to use kernel /boot/etc root=/dev/sda1 |
| 11:20.39 | sin_ | but /boot/ does not exist because it is in a different parition and I need to mount that first |
| 11:20.41 | dante_2core | aaah you're in the grub shell |
| 11:20.56 | dante_2core | why don't you add an entry in grub, specifying all the lines and then press "b" to boot it altogether? |
| 11:21.44 | MoDaX | dante_2core: nvidia.com installer also installs useless .so or .o files which if you don't not remove manually, you will have problems with non-free drivers |
| 11:21.44 | Lewoco | Caelum, Boo yeah, I'm not really sure what winbind is, but I suspect it has something to do with netbios resolution, so I incremented the start number of samba to just after winbind, and now it resolves names straight after bootup. |
| 11:21.44 | MoDaX | dante_2core: yes |
| 11:21.44 | sin_ | aw got the boot thing |
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| 11:21.46 | dante_2core | MoDaX, well you have the installer that you can extract and look where it puts its files - so you can remove them if you need to. |
| 11:22.04 | dante_2core | MoDaX, I also have a custom kernel - that'd be a problem with non-free, right? |
| 11:22.20 | sin_ | ok so I made it boot |
| 11:22.27 | gigo | hi. I am getting this error at the end of aptitude update: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org lenny/updates Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' |
| 11:22.28 | dutchfish | i am in a need of a package to slice bitmaps in a graphical way, is there a package for this in debian etch? |
| 11:22.31 | gigo | Please help me to fix this |
| 11:22.38 | MoDaX | dante_2core: I understand. but it is not like you're going to explain all this to unexperienced user :) |
| 11:22.41 | MoDaX | dante_2core: no |
| 11:22.46 | dante_2core | gigo, standard error, there's a !dpkg trigger, dk where it is |
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| 11:23.09 | dante_2core | MoDaX, what do you mean? to the guy who was here before? |
| 11:23.14 | gigo | dante_2core: dk where it is meaning? |
| 11:23.30 | dante_2core | gigo, you need to get the key for this source from somewhere. |
| 11:23.36 | MoDaX | dante_2core: even if you don't build kernel with make-kpkg, you can use non-free w/o problems |
| 11:23.41 | MoDaX | dante_2core: yes |
| 11:23.51 | gigo | dante_2core: Where can I get it from? |
| 11:23.55 | dante_2core | gigo, aptitude repositries have keys to make sure packages are properly signed |
| 11:24.00 | dante_2core | gigo, google for the source |
| 11:24.05 | dante_2core | !dpkg gpg |
| 11:24.12 | dante_2core | !dpkg keyring |
| 11:24.19 | dante_2core | :S I don't know the darn triggers XD |
| 11:24.37 | MoDaX | !keyring |
| 11:24.37 | dpkg | [keyring] a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of debian, the public gpg keys. |
| 11:24.41 | dante_2core | MoDaX, well nvidia.com drivers worked fine for me so far and where very little of a hassle... |
| 11:24.47 | liable | \\topic |
| 11:24.54 | gigo | dante_2core: I found this: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/Release.gpg |
| 11:24.55 | dante_2core | liable, lol thanks XD |
| 11:25.06 | sin_ | dante_2core, what I do is this: root (hd0, 0) then kernel /boot/vmlinuz...etc root=/dev/sdax(which one ?) ro |
| 11:25.07 | dante_2core | gigo, read the topic :D |
| 11:25.22 | sin_ | do I have to do root also on the /dev/sdax that is used with root= later on ? |
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| 11:25.25 | gigo | oh, thanks |
| 11:25.30 | sin_ | I get kernel panic |
| 11:25.30 | sin_ | :p |
| 11:25.31 | MoDaX | dante_2core: it's your choice |
| 11:25.32 | dante_2core | sin_, yes |
| 11:25.44 | dante_2core | MoDaX, yes. but i'll look into non-free thingies too, thanks |
| 11:25.52 | dante_2core | what to do most importantly? properly remove the driver? |
| 11:25.58 | sin_ | dante_2core, how do I know which /dev/sdax is the root ? |
| 11:26.15 | dante_2core | sin_, where did you install your system to? :D |
| 11:26.15 | MoDaX | dante_2core: yes |
| 11:26.24 | sin_ | ok :p |
| 11:26.43 | dante_2core | MoDaX, I see :D i'm on holiday right now, so I have time enough to look into that stuff |
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| 11:27.10 | gigo | I did apt-get install debian-archive-keyring && apt-get update. Still I have the same problem. |
| 11:27.28 | dante_2core | gigo, you installed the program, now you need the key. i'm sure dpkg told you some more things |
| 11:28.31 | gigo | it did not tell me how to get the key and add it. I don't know much about keys, so please help. |
| 11:28.45 | dante_2core | MoDaX, and if you install nvidia-glx, what does it do kernel-module-ish? |
| 11:28.48 | dante_2core | build one? |
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| 11:29.31 | MoDaX | dante_2core: install nvidia-kernel-source; then run m-a a-i nvidia; then apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 11:29.51 | dante_2core | MoDaX, but first I need to remove the driver properly, right? |
| 11:29.55 | dante_2core | now, how do I do that. |
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| 11:30.22 | dante_2core | well, thanks, i'll look into it later, not in the mood to mess with the system right now :D |
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| 11:30.41 | MoDaX | dante_2core: see what files it installs and remove them.. also remove nvidia.ko from your kernel modules dir |
| 11:30.57 | dante_2core | fine |
| 11:31.12 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core; FInally it worjks |
| 11:31.20 | cjsoftuk | :D |
| 11:31.25 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, \o/ :D how? |
| 11:31.40 | cjsoftuk | I was being a dumb idiot |
| 11:31.51 | cjsoftuk | I forgot to SUDO the lpoptions |
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| 11:32.12 | cahoot | ubuntu? |
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| 11:32.30 | cjsoftuk | cahoot: no, I just use Sudo in preference to root |
| 11:33.12 | jpin | Hi, kde4 toolbar has crashed, i don't have a bar now, how can i restart it? (on 3.5 was kicker) |
| 11:33.21 | dante_2core | cjsoftuk, lawl :D |
| 11:33.29 | babbage | How can I make a rescue CD image which uses the same set of packages as my running system (which is up-to-date)? |
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| 11:33.41 | dante_2core | jpin, ahm... remove your .kde config dir or something, had that one too |
| 11:33.45 | cjsoftuk | dante_2core: at what, the missing sudo, or the fact I use sudo |
| 11:33.45 | dante_2core | WAIT |
| 11:33.47 | dante_2core | jpin, wait |
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| 11:33.53 | MoDaX | jpin: plasma |
| 11:33.54 | dante_2core | jpin, don'^t remove .kde! |
| 11:34.16 | dante_2core | MoDaX, yes, but plasma has a way to crash where it drops the statbar entirely - you need to re-add it in the plasma config |
| 11:34.20 | jpin | plasma doesn't seem to restart the bar |
| 11:34.30 | _ZeuZ_ | guys, for a 64bits turion x2 what runs faster? iX86 or amd64? |
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| 11:34.43 | MoDaX | _ZeuZ_: amd64 |
| 11:34.50 | jpin | dante_2core: so... without removing .kde4, how can i do it? |
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| 11:35.22 | qubodup | hi again |
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| 11:35.41 | _ZeuZ_ | .kde4 == Directory? If so, why not go inside, and remove it from the configuration text file? |
| 11:35.46 | MoDaX | jpin: try rm ~/.kde4/share/config/plasmarc |
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| 11:36.23 | MoDaX | jpin: and ~/.kde4/share/config/plasma-appletsrc |
| 11:36.30 | gigo | my vim does not understand: :syntax on command, why? |
| 11:36.36 | gigo | that was : syntax on command |
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| 11:37.24 | MoDaX | gigo: make sure you are not running tiny or basic version |
| 11:37.36 | dante_2core | gigo, :syntax=enable afaik |
| 11:37.41 | gigo | I have vim-tiny and vim-common installed |
| 11:37.45 | dante_2core | ah, rite, that'd be it too |
| 11:37.50 | gigo | how do I install full vim? |
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| 11:37.51 | MoDaX | gigo: install vim |
| 11:37.53 | qubodup | so I installed everything the debian way and restarted gdm. X won't start (only the pretty blue screen) |
| 11:37.54 | MoDaX | gigo: yes |
| 11:37.55 | mardi | hiya, i've just net installed etch. is pidgin in the official repository? |
| 11:38.10 | gigo | there is no "vim" |
| 11:38.12 | dante_2core | jpin, somewhere in .kde4 there's a config file for plasma |
| 11:38.15 | dante_2core | gigo, vim-full |
| 11:38.20 | gigo | aptitude search vim shows only "vim-common" and "vim-tiny" |
| 11:38.26 | MoDaX | !info vim |
| 11:38.31 | dpkg | vim: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:7.1.285-1 (sid), Packaged size: 728 kB, Installed size: 1436 kB |
| 11:38.41 | gigo | no vim-full present too. |
| 11:38.49 | jpin | dante_2core / MoDaX : i'm restarting plasma with: kquitapp plasma; /usr/bin/plasma |
| 11:38.52 | qubodup | !info vim-full |
| 11:38.57 | dpkg | vim-full: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor (transitional package)), section editors, is extra. Version: 1:7.1.285-1 (sid), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 11:39.00 | mardi | i did a apt-cache search pidgin and it comes up nothing. should i just use gaim then? |
| 11:39.06 | dante_2core | vim-full is a metapackage afaik |
| 11:39.07 | jpin | my statbar is not loading -- even after those 2 removals |
| 11:39.17 | gigo | But aptitude install vim-full installs 0 |
| 11:39.22 | dante_2core | jpin, remove the plasma config, find it first :D |
| 11:39.25 | gigo | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 11:39.27 | dante_2core | wait, i'll look too |
| 11:39.47 | dante_2core | gigo, aptitude search vim, what does it display? |
| 11:39.53 | MoDaX | gigo: # update-alternatives --config vim |
| 11:40.05 | gigo | i vim-common - Vi IMproved - Common files i vim-tiny - Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor |
| 11:40.07 | gigo | only two things |
| 11:40.30 | MoDaX | gigo: aptitude install vim, I'm telling you |
| 11:40.32 | gigo | There is only 1 program which provides vim (/usr/bin/vim.tiny). Nothing to configure. |
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| 11:40.48 | MoDaX | qubodup: what doess /var/log/Xorg.0.log say? |
| 11:40.49 | gigo | MoDaX: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 11:41.01 | MoDaX | gigo: are you running sid? |
| 11:41.08 | gigo | I am running Lenny |
| 11:41.14 | MoDaX | ok |
| 11:41.26 | MoDaX | !info vim lenny |
| 11:41.32 | dpkg | vim: (Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor), section editors, is optional. Version: 1:7.1-266+1 (lenny), Packaged size: 728 kB, Installed size: 1436 kB |
| 11:41.39 | MoDaX | it's there |
| 11:41.56 | MoDaX | gigo: check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:41.57 | gigo | then why is it not showing in mine. |
| 11:42.48 | gigo | (1) deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free (2) deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib |
| 11:42.58 | MoDaX | qubodup: have you built nvidia kernel module? |
| 11:43.06 | MoDaX | gigo: looks ok |
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| 11:43.32 | gigo | is it possible that in my last aptitude update, the package list was not updated completely? I have a poor internet connection. |
| 11:43.45 | qubodup | MoDaX: built? you mean via nvidia's installer? not this time, I have done it before though. |
| 11:43.49 | gigo | I installed Debian Etch today, then changed the sources.list to lenny. then aptitude update, aptitude dist-upgrade. |
| 11:44.01 | qubodup | MoDaX: failed to load libglx.so |
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| 11:44.08 | MoDaX | gigo: rerun aptitude update, wont hurt |
| 11:44.31 | gigo | ok, it is downloading stuff in Get:3 http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages [6607kB] |
| 11:44.39 | gigo | seems it was not updated completely last time. |
| 11:44.51 | MoDaX | qubodup: I see, so we have the case that nvidia.com installer screwed up your system |
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| 11:45.10 | qubodup | o_O |
| 11:45.24 | qubodup | *sight* It's the windows times all over again |
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| 11:45.45 | MoDaX | qubodup: you should have never tried nvidia.com installer |
| 11:46.07 | MoDaX | qubodup: anyway, now you need to remove left-over files |
| 11:46.19 | gigo | nvidia.com installer works fine for me |
| 11:46.48 | qubodup | MoDaX: Yeah, checking the installer's advanced options for finding out what it installs |
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| 11:47.24 | MoDaX | gigo: until next libgl1-mesa-glx update |
| 11:47.32 | qubodup | MoDaX: cool, there is a --uninstall and --sanity paramter for the installer |
| 11:47.53 | MoDaX | qubodup: once you uninstall, reinstall debian packages |
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| 11:48.02 | MoDaX | qubodup: reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx too |
| 11:48.13 | MoDaX | first |
| 11:48.31 | gigo | In my /media directory, there are many disk, disk-1, disk-2, etc. created. the USB disk is no longer attached, but I am not able to unmount them |
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| 11:48.52 | MoDaX | gigo: umount -f |
| 11:48.58 | amphi | qubodup: what branch of debian are you on? |
| 11:49.03 | hp | gigo, you using wubi? |
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| 11:49.07 | qubodup | amphi: lenny |
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| 11:49.24 | amphi | qubodup: ISTR nvidia is broken on lenny |
| 11:49.32 | gigo | hp: what is wubi? I don't know. |
| 11:49.45 | qubodup | .g ISTR |
| 11:49.54 | hp | no need to know,it is not good |
| 11:50.05 | hp | just for newbies |
| 11:50.12 | mhymn | how can I use sun java or icedtea instead of gcj in etch? |
| 11:50.15 | MoDaX | amphi: sort of, but it's possible to force it |
| 11:50.55 | amphi | MoDaX: ah - I don't use nvidia; I thought you had to downgrade xorg or some such, but perhaps that was before |
| 11:51.03 | hp | i am using lenny now,and latest,gnome version 2.22 |
| 11:51.07 | gigo | mhymn: one option is to download the sun java from java.sun.com and untar it somewhere, say /opt/jdk-foo-bar, and set JAVA_HOME=/opt/jdk-foo-bar and PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH |
| 11:51.39 | hp | gnome-about doesn't work ,i launch it in console,it didnt show up,just gave me some errors |
| 11:52.29 | dante_2core | MoDaX, I see the thing with nvidia drivers really is a problem - but it looks like it's not perfectly well with the apt drivers too... let's hope they finally open it up sometime -. |
| 11:52.42 | amphi | or nouveau... |
| 11:53.18 | dante_2core | nouveau's coming, yes :D that's pretty cool |
| 11:53.19 | amphi | the moral of the story, as ever, is "don't buy hardware that requires proprietary drivers" |
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| 11:54.43 | dante_2core | well, I admit my graphics card runs darn nice, and I have a gaming performance many would dream of |
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| 11:55.12 | dante_2core | and for the driver problem, I only had a problem I couldn't solve once, and an email to nvidia was answered within half an hour, giving me the solution |
| 11:55.45 | dante_2core | so in my experience, there's no problem - |
| 11:56.09 | dante_2core | for me at least. but I see that there are things that are problematic, alas consider non-free package drivers a better option for the general public. |
| 11:56.10 | amphi | last I heard, nvidia had partially fixed their broken texture_from_pixmap implementation, by introducing a serious memory leak into the driver |
| 11:56.20 | dante_2core | XD |
| 11:56.29 | dante_2core | you got me there. :P |
| 11:56.43 | amphi | the t_f_p had been known for over a year before that IIRC |
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| 11:56.57 | dante_2core | hmn ok |
| 11:57.00 | amphi | *t_f_p problem |
| 11:57.15 | dante_2core | well, I had the problem too - trying to run beryl 0.1.3 as the version was back then |
| 11:57.20 | dante_2core | using the beta driver fixed it, then |
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| 11:58.02 | dante_2core | but I get your point, amphi |
| 11:58.28 | dante_2core | I guess I'll still go for a nvidia card next time I upgrade... |
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| 11:58.40 | dante_2core | d-lined? |
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| 11:58.51 | amphi | as a gamer, it seems you must suffer... ;) |
| 11:58.59 | dante_2core | yes :D but as I said |
| 11:59.03 | dante_2core | didn't have to suffer that much so far |
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| 11:59.24 | dante_2core | one thing is how bad the companies support is, how far it actually hinders you in the end is the other. |
| 11:59.25 | Lewoco | In the 'joe' editor, why does the cursor move beyond the end of lines when moving up and down between lines of different lengths? Is there any way to fix this? |
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| 11:59.53 | dante_2core | amphi, and believe me, my 8800gtx granted me some serious horsepower in terms of fullhd gaming :P |
| 12:00.07 | amphi | I don't doubt it |
| 12:00.11 | visof | i installed netbsd and debian , debian is in /dev/hda7 , what should i add to grub to start debian? |
| 12:00.17 | dante_2core | especially combined with me being a fluxbox user and killing everything that uses too many ressources ;) |
| 12:00.29 | dante_2core | I'd go for console-only, if there'd be a dualscreen-getty :P |
| 12:00.36 | amphi | visof: grub calls hda7 (hd0,6) |
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| 12:01.09 | dante_2core | visof, there's excellent grub howtos out there, did you look at those already? |
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| 12:01.14 | qubodup | hm. my system appears to be fucked. |
| 12:01.35 | dante_2core | qubodup, don't think this way - I already fucked systems over so badly and they worked out again later :D |
| 12:01.40 | visof | dante_2core i tried with some , but i failed |
| 12:01.40 | dante_2core | what's the problem? nvidia not working? |
| 12:01.53 | dante_2core | visof, in what respect? can't you load the kernel? |
| 12:01.53 | qubodup | dante_2core: well allright, I'll give it another shot |
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| 12:02.00 | qubodup | no it's not that bad |
| 12:02.15 | qubodup | just screwed up dependencies, package manager cries around |
| 12:02.23 | dante_2core | qubodup, you see - I removed libc6 once (experienced users will hit me now) - THAT fucked the system |
| 12:02.33 | dante_2core | qubodup, you can't execute anything at all anymore, not even boot, nothing. |
| 12:02.45 | visof | dante_2core i added to menu.lst title Debian , root = /dev/hda7 |
| 12:02.48 | dante_2core | I had to boot a livecd and copy every single fuckin' file of that package back in place |
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| 12:03.05 | dante_2core | it's the very system I type on right now. |
| 12:03.18 | MoDaX | qubodup: fucked, why? |
| 12:03.22 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:03.22 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 12:03.22 | dante_2core | visof, want a sample entry of mine? |
| 12:03.31 | MoDaX | qubodup: just because of nvidia.com? :) |
| 12:03.48 | dante_2core | MoDaX, remove libc6, if you want to have fun :P |
| 12:03.58 | MoDaX | ohhh |
| 12:04.10 | qubodup | MoDaX: well, glx-nvidia or something like that won't uninstall |
| 12:04.13 | dante_2core | darn, I was friggin' shocked - couldn't even shutdown anymore "command not found" |
| 12:04.21 | MoDaX | qubodup: nvidia-glx |
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| 12:04.38 | qubodup | because apparantly I deleted it by uninstalling with the nvidia driver.run |
| 12:05.03 | amphi | visof: no spaces; you can also try from the grub shell, until you get it right, before editing menu.lst |
| 12:05.08 | qubodup | is there a "apt-get repair everything and make it work" command? |
| 12:05.21 | MoDaX | qubodup: apt-get -f install |
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| 12:05.43 | dante_2core | qubodup, :D that made me smile |
| 12:06.09 | qubodup | did you know that "apt-get -f install" sometimes doesn't work? |
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| 12:06.23 | MoDaX | aptitude install then |
| 12:06.43 | eve | hello |
| 12:06.43 | qubodup | For some reason sometimes the reply is "package not found" this is desasterous, if I say -f, it should do what I want =P |
| 12:07.04 | MoDaX | qubodup: run apt-get update |
| 12:07.29 | MoDaX | qubodup: if you removed libc6, nothing will work |
| 12:07.31 | dante_2core | qubodup, I use a mixture of unstable and experimental, I know that dodging dependency stuff ain't fun :D |
| 12:07.31 | eve | there appears to be an "usb0" device in my ifconfig list, which I don't need. In fact, it prevents eth0 from coming up automatically... can I remove it somehow? |
| 12:07.35 | qubodup | MoDaX: There is this strange behavior: while the installation -f of nvidia-glx, I get "update-modules is deprecated" multiple times.. |
| 12:08.35 | MoDaX | qubodup: could you tell what is your problem? you can't install nvidia-glx? |
| 12:09.08 | stew | qubodup: btw. update-modules is deprecated. update-modules is deprecated. |
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| 12:09.39 | MoDaX | qubodup: download nvidia-glx manually from http://packages.debian.org/sid/nvidia-glx |
| 12:10.07 | MoDaX | qubodup: lets start from the begining. have you removed nvidia.com driver from your system? |
| 12:10.25 | qubodup | MoDaX: yes |
| 12:10.28 | eFfeM | hi, need some advice before doing something stupid :-) I've installed debian, now I want to install X, what is the best package to install? xserver-xorg ? |
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| 12:10.47 | ArtVandalae | eFfeM, try xorg |
| 12:10.51 | qubodup | I now tried to uninstall everything via synaptic, nvidia-glx won't let me uninstall it |
| 12:10.54 | cahoot | eve: you might look into /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-persistent-network.rules and see what module gets loaded for that - then possibly blacklist the module |
| 12:10.54 | Flash_ | r, xorg I think |
| 12:11.04 | eFfeM | thanks! |
| 12:11.16 | MoDaX | qubodup: dpkg -P nvidia-glx |
| 12:11.17 | Jabka | what package responsible to change network interfaces names ? |
| 12:11.27 | ArtVandalae | Jabka, ifconfig I think |
| 12:11.28 | cahoot | !z5 |
| 12:11.47 | eve | cahoot: hmm, only eth0 is listed there |
| 12:12.06 | MoDaX | qubodup: done? |
| 12:12.11 | cahoot | eve: then I'm lost |
| 12:12.16 | martianixor | hi, guys anyone owns a "fully functional uptill this moment" CD-Writer drive, give me the software versions and the model of the writer, thanks in advance |
| 12:12.25 | eve | cahoot: thanks anyway |
| 12:12.34 | qubodup | MoDaX: error status 2, will post output in a sec |
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| 12:12.46 | Jabka | ArtVandalae , ifconfig can alter interface names? |
| 12:13.00 | ArtVandalae | yes I'm pretty sure it can |
| 12:13.01 | martianixor | I'll be trying to compare that to my configuration and setup, to figure out what's wrong |
| 12:13.26 | cahoot | Jabka: : you might look into /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-persistent-network.rules |
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| 12:14.28 | Jabka | so if i have bug with name resolving i need to report against udev ? |
| 12:15.03 | qubodup_ | MoDaX: http://rafb.net/p/HDF0v310.html |
| 12:15.52 | MoDaX | qubodup: I see. nvidia.com installer job :) |
| 12:15.58 | martianixor | or may be, those who had problems burning CDs lately, tell me |
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| 12:16.46 | qubodup_ | MoDaX: so what do I do? manual overwrite? |
| 12:17.00 | MoDaX | qubodup_: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-glx.postrm && dpkg -P nvidia-glx |
| 12:17.54 | MoDaX | qubodup_: then run aptitude install or apt-get -f install |
| 12:17.58 | qubodup_ | MoDaX: well that worked |
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| 12:18.18 | MoDaX | then aptitude reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 12:18.26 | qubodup_ | MoDaX: but you told me to first uninstall the mesa library too? |
| 12:18.50 | MoDaX | qubodup_: I told you to reinstall it once you got rid of nvidia drivers |
| 12:19.04 | martianixor | no body had problems burning CDs lately? |
| 12:19.17 | MoDaX | martianixor: like? |
| 12:19.29 | martianixor | MoDaX: OPC failed |
| 12:19.54 | qubodup_ | MoDaX: ok, aptitude reinstall did the job. |
| 12:19.54 | martianixor | MoDaX: I'm asking actually cause I'm trying to narrow the possibilities |
| 12:20.21 | MoDaX | qubodup_: ok, now install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 12:20.21 | qubodup_ | MoDaX: now I'm installing nvidia-glx + dependancies .. done |
| 12:20.39 | qubodup_ | MoDaX: done |
| 12:20.58 | MoDaX | qubodup_: nvidia-glx should not install on plain testing system with a bit of hacking :) |
| 12:21.09 | MoDaX | you got some bits from unstable then :) |
| 12:21.28 | cahoot | martianixor: running wodim from CLI? |
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| 12:21.41 | MoDaX | qubodup_: dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core | grep ii |
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| 12:21.58 | martianixor | MoDaX: if you're interested, let me know, thanks :-) |
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| 12:22.05 | MoDaX | s/with/without/ |
| 12:22.11 | qubodup_ | MoDaX: the full story is that I first did the NvidiaGraphicsDrivers instructions from the wiki, but then after boot it didn't start and I used nvidia.com instead |
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| 12:22.33 | MoDaX | martianixor: is your user in cdrom group? |
| 12:22.33 | eve | hmm, I managed to remove the usb0 device but it doesn't help... |
| 12:22.43 | qubodup_ | MoDaX: then I had to reinstall the nvidia.com driver each time I booted or it would not work O_o |
| 12:23.04 | eve | it seems that eth0 gets an IP at boot time when /etc/init.d/network is executed, but somehow when boot is complete, the IP is lost |
| 12:23.09 | qubodup_ | MoDaX: ii xserver-xorg-core 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12 X.Org X server -- core server |
| 12:23.10 | martianixor | MoDaX: Definitely |
| 12:23.11 | eve | which service, executed AFTER network, could cause this? |
| 12:23.19 | MoDaX | qubodup_: dpkg -l nvidia-glx |
| 12:23.24 | MoDaX | which version? |
| 12:23.32 | qubodup_ | 1.0.8776-4 |
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| 12:23.35 | martianixor | MoDaX: actually I tried hdparm /dev/cdrom and I got this HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 12:23.43 | MoDaX | qubodup_: oh, that one is too old |
| 12:23.46 | martianixor | so I'm running a search |
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| 12:24.05 | qubodup_ | hm, I shall download it from sid then, eh>? |
| 12:24.16 | MoDaX | qubodup_: add unstable non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:24.20 | MoDaX | qubodup_: uname -r |
| 12:24.31 | qubodup_ | 2.6.18-6-k7 |
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| 12:25.56 | MoDaX | qubodup_: consider upgrading your kernel as well |
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| 12:26.08 | MoDaX | qubodup_: but it's not necessary |
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| 12:26.31 | MoDaX | qubodup_: once you add unstable non-free to sources.list install nvidia-kernel-source |
| 12:27.21 | qubodup_ | MoDaX: I just run an update/upgrade |
| 12:27.31 | MoDaX | qubodup_: ok |
| 12:27.50 | MoDaX | qubodup_: now run m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 12:27.52 | qubodup_ | oh crap, I think I added main and not unfree |
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| 12:28.01 | qubodup_ | yepp... |
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| 12:28.24 | qubodup_ | well, whatever it'll be a sid system then |
| 12:28.38 | MoDaX | :) |
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| 12:28.59 | qubodup_ | will need some more minutes for updating =) |
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| 12:30.32 | visof | if i have "vmlinuz-2.6.18-5-686" , so the kernel is 2.6.18-5-686 ? |
| 12:30.47 | dutchfish | visof, uname -a |
| 12:30.54 | liable | yes, debians version |
| 12:31.10 | dutchfish | liable, he could have more then 1 |
| 12:33.10 | qubodup_ | Is there a sid/updates ... folder? or is the case "There Is Only Sid!"? |
| 12:33.11 | MoDaX | qubodup_: only sid |
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| 12:33.28 | visof | i'm not at Debian now |
| 12:33.28 | visof | and i want to know which kernel i use? |
| 12:33.28 | dutchfish | !ping |
| 12:33.28 | dpkg | pong |
| 12:33.28 | qubodup_ | Debian has it's own office? |
| 12:33.28 | MoDaX | qubodup_: ? |
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| 12:33.28 | Lewoco | How can I make users who attempt to access file shares with an incorrect user/password fallback to connecting anonymously instead of being bluntly refused any kind of access? |
| 12:33.44 | qubodup_ | (stupid joke based on visof's preposition use) |
| 12:34.16 | dutchfish | Lewoco, you mean by means of samba shares? |
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| 12:35.07 | Lewoco | dutchfish, No... I mean by means of any compatible client, samba or otherwise... |
| 12:35.17 | visof | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.22 | visof | is this right or not ? |
| 12:35.23 | MoDaX | visof: yes |
| 12:35.32 | visof | ok |
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| 12:35.33 | visof | thanks |
| 12:35.50 | Lewoco | dutchfish, Oops, wrong channel, meant to ask in #windows. |
| 12:35.56 | Lewoco | dutchfish, No wonder for the strange response. |
| 12:36.08 | MoDaX | heh |
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| 12:37.10 | dutchfish | mumbles something about the level of intelligence of win users |
| 12:38.04 | eFfeM | <grin> |
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| 12:38.21 | Debcool | hi |
| 12:38.24 | eFfeM | hi |
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| 12:43.45 | Phil4 | holy fuck |
| 12:43.45 | Phil4 | lol |
| 12:43.45 | MoDaX | it's not taht bad |
| 12:43.46 | MoDaX | only 110 nicks |
| 12:43.52 | Phil4 | anyway... |
| 12:43.55 | eFfeM | hi, i have just installed lenny on my eeepc, but I need python 2.5 not 2.4; can i just install python2.5 then change the symlink in /usr/bin? |
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| 12:44.03 | eFfeM | hi, i have just installed lenny on my eeepc, but I need python 2.5 not 2.4; can i just install python2.5 then change the symlink in /usr/bin? |
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| 12:44.03 | eFfeM | sorry for repeating the msg but think it got lost in the join train that followed it |
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| 12:44.04 | MoDaX | eFfeM: I think you can |
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| 12:44.06 | stew | eFfeM: its not recommended to change the symlink, but to change scripts to use "#!/usr/bin/python2.5" as the shebang if they require python2.5 |
| 12:44.37 | eFfeM | stew the issue is that I need to get pygtk installed for 2.5 |
| 12:44.39 | xingu | stew: how portable does that tend to be? |
| 12:44.49 | eFfeM | no idea how to do that |
| 12:45.03 | Phil4 | this may seem an odd question but... is it possible to add to the current bash history (of the current session, not in ~/.bash_history) without actually performing the command you're adding? |
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| 12:45.32 | stew | eFfeM: "aptitude install python-gtk2" would instaqll pygtk for 2.5 |
| 12:45.40 | xingu | closes out the books for march |
| 12:45.54 | stew | xingu: to other OSs? no idea, i don't use them |
| 12:46.18 | stew | eFfeM: python2.5 will be the default python in lenny sometime soonish. (it was supposed to change in sid a few weeks ago) |
| 12:46.29 | eFfeM | stew, thanks will do that (want to use my tux droid but their tuxgpg script requires python 2.5 and gtk for 2.5 |
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| 12:47.05 | eFfeM | couldn't get that to work on etch, so moved to lenny as there were reports it would work there |
| 12:47.37 | qubodup_1 | MoDaX: kernel seems ready, now dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 12:48.10 | MoDaX | qubodup_1: no, as of 7.3, it's barely needed |
| 12:48.49 | MoDaX | qubodup_1: just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change the driver to nvidia |
| 12:49.15 | qubodup_1 | MoDaX: ok, will restart gdm then |
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| 12:49.28 | stew | eFfeM: changing the symlink probably isn't as bad as it used to be before the transition to python-central/python-support. if changing all the shebangs isn't feasible, i'd say just go for it |
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| 12:50.05 | virgine | vcvc |
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| 12:51.04 | qubodup__ | MoDaX: ok, modprobed nvidia. X won't start. I'll take a look at the logs |
| 12:51.45 | stew | well here are the things holding up the transition to 2.5 http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=goal-python2.5;users=debian-release@lists.debian.org;pending=pending |
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| 12:52.41 | martianixor | what should the owner.group be for /dev/cdrom ? |
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| 12:53.01 | SlimeyPete | martianixor: root/root |
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| 12:55.15 | qubodup__ | MoDaX: Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure ... and that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly... |
| 12:55.15 | martianixor | MoDaX: although it's like that, I'm still getting that OPC failed problem when I try to burn |
| 12:55.15 | martianixor | MoDaX: provided that my user is in the cdrom group |
| 12:55.15 | dutchfish | how can i configure compiz to not "autoglue or autosnap" its screen to the desktop borders? i am using debian etch. |
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| 12:55.15 | MoDaX | qubodup__: dmesg shows no problems? |
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| 12:55.15 | martianixor | SlimeyPete: when was the last time you burned CDs? |
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| 12:55.16 | MoDaX | qubodup__: dmesg | grep -i nvidia |
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| 12:55.45 | SlimeyPete | martianixor: about a week ago |
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| 12:55.59 | Absolute0 | Is there any CLI pdf reader? |
| 12:56.00 | MoDaX | !info wodim lenny |
| 12:56.05 | dpkg | wodim: (command line CD/DVD writing tool), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 9:1.1.7.1-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 412 kB, Installed size: 832 kB |
| 12:56.26 | MoDaX | martianixor: try downgrading to previous version of ^^^^ |
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| 12:57.13 | Absolute0 | ? |
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| 12:59.40 | martianixor | what is it with splits ! |
| 12:59.40 | qubodup__ | MoDaX: API mismatch, client and kernel module have different versions |
| 12:59.40 | MoDaX | qubodup__: kernel is the latest, yes? |
| 12:59.41 | martianixor | MoDaX: It still needs to be solved though, know what I mean |
| 12:59.42 | MoDaX | qubodup__: 169 one |
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| 13:00.48 | martianixor | MoDaX: thanks anyway |
| 13:00.48 | martianixor | that's fast |
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| 13:00.48 | qubodup__ | MoDaX: what's the command for printing the kernel version again? |
| 13:00.49 | MoDaX | qubodup__: uname -r |
| 13:00.49 | qubodup__ | 2.6.18-6-k7 |
| 13:00.49 | MoDaX | qubodup__: reboot to 2.6.24 |
| 13:00.49 | MoDaX | if you installed it |
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| 13:01.03 | MoDaX | qubodup__: m-a a-i nvidia will not work with this kernel and sid (unless you already have headers installed) |
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| 13:01.03 | MoDaX | freenode sucks! |
| 13:01.03 | qubodup__ | MoDaX: why does it suck? |
| 13:01.04 | qubodup__ | (I heared that before but they didn't remember why) |
| 13:01.19 | MoDaX | netsplits |
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| 13:03.28 | amphi | MoDaX: did you not read your global notices? ;) |
| 13:03.28 | hoxu | is cdrecord blank=all enough to make media unreadable or should it be used multiple times? |
| 13:03.28 | MoDaX | amphi: I did |
| 13:03.28 | qubodup__ | MoDaX: there is no k7 one, should I choose 686? (my cpu is an athlon xp 2600+) |
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| 13:04.23 | MoDaX | !info linux-image-2.6-k7 |
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| 13:04.26 | martianixor | MoDaX: we have other options for a backend for burning, don't we? |
| 13:04.26 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-k7: (Linux 2.6 image on AMD K7 - transition package), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.24+13 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 13:04.34 | MoDaX | qubodup__: ^^^ |
| 13:04.37 | qubodup__ | oh |
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| 13:05.13 | MoDaX | martianixor: well, cdrdao for some cases |
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| 13:05.41 | MoDaX | qubodup__: which depends on linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 13:05.41 | martianixor | MoDaX: well from it's name, does it mean it's only for disk at once? |
| 13:05.50 | MoDaX | qubodup__: so yeah, -686 one |
| 13:06.01 | martianixor | MoDaX: is that what you meant by "for some cases"? |
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| 13:08.04 | XandriX | dpkg: error processing qpopper (--remove): |
| 13:08.04 | XandriX | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.04 | XandriX | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.04 | MoDaX | martianixor: I don't the details, but I know that it can burn cue/bin images |
| 13:08.05 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 13:08.21 | MoDaX | frell |
| 13:08.21 | qubodup__ | MoDaX: I'm installing 2.6-k7 now, is that wrong? |
| 13:08.21 | MoDaX | qubodup__: no, ok |
| 13:08.21 | qubodup__ | allright, seeya in a boot |
| 13:08.21 | MoDaX | -k7 is just a transitional package |
| 13:08.21 | martianixor | hmm ... |
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| 13:08.22 | martianixor | gnomebaker doesn't let me choose it as the backend |
| 13:08.22 | XandriX | anybody know why it refuses to remove qpopper ? |
| 13:08.22 | martianixor | CLI mode then ... |
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| 13:09.08 | MoDaX | XandriX: rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/qpopper.postrm and try again (that's a workaround) |
| 13:09.12 | zamuroff | besides alsa-source, alsa-base, alsa-utils and libasound... What does it need to be installed in order to run alsa? |
| 13:09.38 | MoDaX | !info linux-sound-base |
| 13:09.42 | dpkg | linux-sound-base: (base package for ALSA and OSS sound systems), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.16-1 (sid), Packaged size: 25 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 13:09.44 | MoDaX | zamuroff: ^^^ |
| 13:10.27 | zamuroff | ii linux-sound-base 1.0.16-1 |
| 13:10.31 | zamuroff | Already installed |
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| 13:10.51 | MoDaX | zamuroff: do you imply your sound is not working? |
| 13:11.04 | zamuroff | MoDaX: I do imply that. |
| 13:11.26 | MoDaX | zamuroff: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 13:11.33 | htmlol | try using alsamixer |
| 13:11.44 | zamuroff | htmlol: already have. |
| 13:11.53 | XandriX | thank you so much MoDaX |
| 13:12.09 | htmlol | MoDaX: why are you having him do that!? |
| 13:12.31 | MoDaX | htmlol: to know if he hears anything |
| 13:12.36 | zamuroff | htmlol: To check soundcard functioning... It does give sound. |
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| 13:13.11 | htmlol | cool....didn't know about that. hehe |
| 13:13.20 | MoDaX | zamuroff: you are using kde and lenny, aren't you? |
| 13:13.53 | zamuroff | Actually... lenny and xfce4 |
| 13:14.11 | zamuroff | But I'm running kde services though... |
| 13:14.26 | MoDaX | zamuroff: alright, so where doesn't sound work? |
| 13:14.27 | htmlol | just because I destroyed an old ubuntu install with cat /dev/urandom > / (DON'T DO THAT, PEOPLE) |
| 13:14.41 | zamuroff | MoDaX: lastfm and xmms, for instance |
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| 13:14.55 | RichoHea1ey | htmlol: what? cat/dev/urandom > /dev/dsp is not destructive |
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| 13:15.32 | htmlol | I know. I did it to / , not /dev/dsp |
| 13:15.39 | zamuroff | LOL |
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| 13:15.45 | htmlol | :D |
| 13:15.51 | blust66 | hi |
| 13:15.55 | MoDaX | zamuroff: find a .wav file (/usr/share/sounds/), try aplay /path/to/wav |
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| 13:16.15 | htmlol | it was fun to see it twitch as it died |
| 13:16.38 | MoDaX | shouldn't it fail? |
| 13:16.47 | MoDaX | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.07 | blust66 | my frst time have installed minimal base system with netinsall cd |
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| 13:17.30 | blust66 | how i can start to install some packages trough the net? |
| 13:17.38 | zamuroff | It ain't. |
| 13:17.45 | MoDaX | blust66: apt-get install or aptitude install |
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| 13:17.49 | htmlol | (it was to /dev/hda1 actually but I didn't want any curious people to do it) |
| 13:17.57 | MoDaX | zamuroff: any error? |
| 13:18.08 | zamuroff | None, AFAIK |
| 13:18.19 | MoDaX | zamuroff: just silence? |
| 13:18.35 | zamuroff | Hmmm... It does sounds. |
| 13:18.56 | zamuroff | I'll try the windows solution: reboot |
| 13:19.05 | MoDaX | zamuroff: so does aplay work? |
| 13:19.12 | zamuroff | Yes, it does. |
| 13:19.21 | xingu | hmm, beer, or coffee |
| 13:19.26 | MoDaX | then xmms alsa output should work too |
| 13:19.34 | eFfeM | hi, just installed lenny from scratch, then xfce4; now want to install firefox, but it complains that it needs iceweasel 2.0.0.12-1 and that i have 2.0.0.6-0; but apt-get install iceweasel says it is up to date |
| 13:19.38 | zamuroff | Lemme try something here. |
| 13:19.40 | eFfeM | what do i need to do ? |
| 13:20.08 | eFfeM | or is there another browser i should/could install |
| 13:20.12 | htmlol | eFfeM: iceweasel is firefox |
| 13:20.33 | eFfeM | ah, thanks! |
| 13:20.47 | MoDaX | eFfeM: check if /etc/apt/sources.list really lists lenny and you're aptitude update |
| 13:20.48 | htmlol | sure :) |
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| 13:23.51 | eFfeM | MoDaX, i;m really at lenny, reran update, still the same problem, |
| 13:24.01 | eFfeM | but using iceweasel is ok too (tnx htmlol) |
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| 13:25.42 | k-man__ | how can i install mozilla lightning with icedove? |
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| 13:29.26 | Lagbolt | prob the same way you do with thunderbird |
| 13:30.01 | dirk___ | a little bit offtopic.. but I have 3000 mails in kmail (imap) which i want to remove.... does someone knows how i can delete all the mails in gmail? |
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| 13:33.18 | Lagbolt | k-man__, http://jean-christophe.dubacq.fr/post/Lightning-05-pour-icedove |
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| 13:37.22 | dirk___ | how do I select al the mail in gmail? |
| 13:38.05 | Lagbolt | lol dude gmail is wierd |
| 13:38.34 | dirk___ | Lagbolt, very weird.... it sucks |
| 13:39.15 | Lagbolt | i barely touch it, can you even make folders? |
| 13:39.16 | dirk___ | maybe I have to forward every mail to hotmail and delete it there... |
| 13:40.52 | dirk___ | is it possible in kmail to make a new account without downloading all the existing messages (imap)? |
| 13:41.18 | AciD | one bad mailbox to an even badder, is it possible to hear that without having your ears bleeding ? :( |
| 13:41.40 | liable | hmm, why can i boot from sdb when my fstab says / is sdc? |
| 13:42.17 | AciD | liable > /boot and / are on 2 different partitions ? |
| 13:42.25 | liable | nope |
| 13:42.50 | Lagbolt | lol liable what does grub say |
| 13:43.13 | Lagbolt | if root=/dev/sdb then i have found somehow things magically work :) |
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| 13:43.21 | liable | well, heres the whole story... |
| 13:43.28 | eFfeM | and what is in your rootfsimg |
| 13:44.20 | liable | its an eeepc, so everything is a usb drive basically. during install, the main drive is sda, the usb key is sdb (the install medium) and the sd card i am installing to is sdc |
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| 13:45.08 | Lagbolt | liable, what does mount say |
| 13:45.10 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 13:45.22 | liable | lemme fucking finish |
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| 13:46.36 | qubodup | So I did a dist-upgrade, I suppose I have to recompile the driver. um, how do Ithat again? =) |
| 13:46.43 | liable | after boot, with the usb key removed, the sd card is sdb, so interactively editing its grub menu to hd1 and sdb it boots, but fstab still points to sdc.. |
| 13:47.10 | liable | why does it even find the root fs if it points sdc? |
| 13:47.58 | eFfeM | liable this also depends on what is in your initrd |
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| 13:48.44 | liable | eFfeM: i think you might be right |
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| 13:49.30 | liable | eFfeM: so after booting into the thing and rebuilding initrd, if i fail to edit fstab, it should fail.. |
| 13:49.37 | eFfeM | i've seen other cases where fstab telss somethign odd |
| 13:49.39 | liable | gives that a go |
| 13:49.40 | MoDaX | qubodup: m-a a-i nvidia |
| 13:49.54 | eFfeM | liable you can even have a look into the img |
| 13:49.58 | eFfeM | to see what is in there |
| 13:50.33 | eFfeM | i seem to recall it is a gzipped tar (or ar?) image |
| 13:50.44 | Lagbolt | i still think it has to do with grub. if it boots root=/dev/sdb1thats what it uses for root, why else would you have that line? |
| 13:51.00 | qubodup | MoDaX: would you know whether sid's development is influenced by sidux'? |
| 13:51.01 | hoxu | uh, I've got two cdrecord processes and one eject in uninterruptible sleep... any ideas on how to force the media out? :p |
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| 13:51.26 | liable | eFfeM: cpio archive these days. i dont really feel like poking around in the initrd :) |
| 13:51.36 | eFfeM | yes, cpio |
| 13:51.40 | eFfeM | that's true |
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| 13:51.52 | aoeu | just found one more reason why linux is better than windoze |
| 13:51.53 | pumpkin0 | were is the debian on ARM channel ? |
| 13:51.55 | qubodup | Because I was told that sidux mainly provides scripts for sid, so it's more handy... anyways, thx. and thx for all the help so far MoDaX =) |
| 13:51.58 | eFfeM | well, i'm not saying you should poke in it, but it might be intresting to see what the fstab in initrd says |
| 13:52.26 | aoeu | you can name folders AUX, CON, NUL, or PRN, and it doesn't gripe at you |
| 13:52.32 | liable | is rebuilding it to see if it makes boot fail |
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| 13:53.53 | eFfeM | liable, i did install today as well, but I used the same disk for the card image I used to boot and for the install |
| 13:54.02 | MoDaX | qubodup: well, once so far you've been solving upgrade from etch/lenny to sid issues. to keep nvidia driver working, you will need to run m-a a-i nvidia when 1) kernel uname -r changes, 2) there is a new release of nvidia driver |
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| 13:54.41 | liable | eFfeM: ya, i haven't really looked into this myself, as i have just been testing the actuall installer, but its an interesting problem. |
| 13:54.58 | liable | eFfeM: i think you are on the right track with the initrd |
| 13:55.29 | qubodup | MoDaX: interesting, now it won't work but both dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log won't show any trouble O_o |
| 13:56.00 | eFfeM | liable, been bitten to it myself once or twice. Learned it the hard way, best way to learn, because then it sticks |
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| 13:56.08 | MoDaX | qubodup: dmesg | grep -i nvidia shows 169 version? |
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| 13:56.57 | qubodup | MoDaX: 169.09 |
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| 13:57.38 | MoDaX | qubodup: and kernel is 2.6.24 right? and dpkg -l nvidia-glx | grep ii is 169.09 too? |
| 13:57.50 | qubodup | 2.6.24-1-686 yes |
| 13:58.07 | Lagbolt | The kernel line specifies where to find the kernel image, where to find the root filesystem, and the size of the initrd image (in kilobytes, uncompressed). |
| 13:58.38 | qubodup | MoDaX: yes, well, dpkg... shows 169.09-1 |
| 13:58.48 | MoDaX | qubodup: ok, run find /usr/lib/xorg -name nvidia_drv* |
| 13:59.01 | Lagbolt | i am sure that is why it can be wrong in fstab, i have def copied installs to other drives and booted without editin g fstab as long as grub is right |
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| 13:59.15 | MoDaX | qubodup: post output |
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| 13:59.55 | qubodup | MoDaX: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so |
| 14:00.31 | MoDaX | qubodup: what video card do you have? geforce ... ? |
| 14:00.54 | Csani | hi. how can I bypass this: "Unable to read printer database. Please ensure the "foomatic-db" package is installed properly." when running printconf? |
| 14:00.55 | qubodup | geforce 5200 fx |
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| 14:02.20 | MoDaX | qubodup: and /var/log/Xorg.0.log shows no error at all? |
| 14:02.41 | MoDaX | qubodup: try startx |
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| 14:03.13 | Csani | "foomatic-datafile -A | grep 1018" runs fine, shows printer, foomatic-cleanupdrivers doesn't find any problems |
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| 14:04.20 | Csani | so in fact, I have ensured "the foomatic-db package is installed properly." Or do I have to dosomething else as well? |
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| 14:05.03 | Csani | this is lenny/sid |
| 14:05.03 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:05.13 | Lagbolt | hi DexterF |
| 14:05.27 | DexterF | totally off topic, but an Athlon 64 LE, is that a Sempron or what does LE mean? |
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| 14:06.07 | MoDaX | low energy |
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| 14:06.32 | MoDaX | or something like that |
| 14:06.51 | DexterF | ah, right, old 90nm core but at 45W TDP |
| 14:07.11 | DexterF | there are way too many different chips out there. |
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| 14:07.26 | k-man__ | Lagbolt, thanks but thats a bit old |
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| 14:08.02 | Lagbolt | k-man__, ? what were we talking bout? |
| 14:08.02 | qubodup | MoDaX: hm. I lost my console, did I write anything after you told me to startx? |
| 14:08.14 | MoDaX | qubodup: no |
| 14:08.18 | k-man__ | Lagbolt, lightning for icedove |
| 14:08.28 | Lagbolt | ah, did you find a way to install it? |
| 14:08.34 | k-man__ | no |
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| 14:08.50 | k-man__ | Lagbolt, maybe theres a build of thunderbird for debian somewhere |
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| 14:09.07 | craigevil | ice dove =thunderbird |
| 14:09.11 | k-man__ | Lagbolt, i think the lightning extension has some kind of internal explicit thunderbird version check |
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| 14:09.22 | craigevil | iceowl=lightning |
| 14:09.36 | sll | hello! I want know if exists the possibility to develop and test applications for Iphone over linux |
| 14:09.39 | k-man__ | and it refuses to install on anything that's not thunderbird |
| 14:09.47 | k-man__ | craigevil, oh, ill try that, thanks |
| 14:09.58 | qubodup | MoDaX: /var/log/Xorg.0.log absolutely nothing.. |
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| 14:10.20 | MoDaX | qubodup: and startx? |
| 14:10.48 | MoDaX | !info iceowl-extension |
| 14:10.51 | dpkg | iceowl-extension: (Calendar Extension for Thunderbird/Icedove), section web, is optional. Version: 0.7-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1129 kB, Installed size: 4120 kB |
| 14:10.52 | MoDaX | k-man__: ^^^ |
| 14:11.21 | qubodup | MoDaX: startx made my display freeze with some mix of this bluish screen you get when x won't start and black |
| 14:11.21 | k-man__ | MoDaX, yeah, thanks, i was hoping for 0.8 |
| 14:11.54 | SidStudios | Would anyone here recommend a different Linux distro than Debian because it is faster/more advanced? I'm not talking about rip-offs like Ubuntu, but actual Distros |
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| 14:12.44 | MoDaX | SidStudios: it's #debian, wrong place to ask such question |
| 14:12.50 | qubodup | SidStudios: What do you want your distro to do? |
| 14:13.16 | grand_grunt | I got a problem with gnome resolution setting: it doesn't allow to use a better frequency than 60Hz with 1280*1024 |
| 14:13.17 | MoDaX | qubodup: startx outputs some info to console |
| 14:13.40 | grand_grunt | Any idea to add it to the user config tool |
| 14:13.42 | qubodup | MoDaX: ok, will catch it, will probably will have to restart |
| 14:13.42 | MoDaX | grand_grunt: maybe because your monitor does not support anything better? |
| 14:13.54 | qubodup | MoDaX: It did work already |
| 14:13.58 | qubodup | the first time |
| 14:14.01 | qubodup | and then with nvidia.com |
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| 14:14.26 | grand_grunt | MoDaX: maybe... I would try it anyway. |
| 14:14.28 | MoDaX | qubodup: there might still be leftovers from nvidia.com drivers |
| 14:14.33 | grand_grunt | would like* |
| 14:14.36 | MoDaX | grand_grunt: is it LCD? |
| 14:14.43 | grand_grunt | No, it's CRT |
| 14:14.47 | grand_grunt | a/away* |
| 14:14.50 | grand_grunt | Oops |
| 14:15.43 | MoDaX | grand_grunt: if you're running sid/lenny, remove all "modes" from your xorg.conf. and monitor section too |
| 14:15.55 | grand_grunt | MoDaX: running Etch |
| 14:16.00 | Lagbolt | iceowl is nice :) |
| 14:16.18 | MoDaX | grand_grunt: still, you can remove "Mode" stuff |
| 14:16.23 | MoDaX | if there is any |
| 14:16.26 | Csani | samba+cups is sucha pita :) |
| 14:17.10 | grand_grunt | MoDaX: I comment it ^^ |
| 14:17.51 | MoDaX | grand_grunt: ok, comment out ranges (Sync) in your monitor section too |
| 14:18.00 | MoDaX | if there are any |
| 14:18.15 | grand_grunt | MoDaX: should I keep "Depth" and "SubSection "Display"" stuffs? Or comment everything in Section Screen? |
| 14:18.36 | MoDaX | grand_grunt: upload your xorg.conf to pastebin.ca |
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| 14:20.30 | qubodup | MoDaX: startx produces only little input, the last line is: "XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 requests remaining. |
| 14:20.33 | grand_grunt | MoDaX: http://pastebin.ca/972517 |
| 14:20.58 | qubodup | MoDaX: that's strange, because I think that previously my display was on :3.0 or :0.3 |
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| 14:22.11 | MoDaX | grand_grunt: comment out HorizSync VertRefresh, and all subsection display |
| 14:22.12 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 14:22.18 | lkthomas | how could I install debian on qemu ? |
| 14:22.27 | MoDaX | lkthomas: apt-get install qemu |
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| 14:22.39 | lkthomas | other way around, how could I install debian on qemu |
| 14:22.40 | grand_grunt | MoDaX: thx |
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| 14:23.18 | Lagbolt | lkthomas, make virtual OS and boot it with debian cd |
| 14:23.35 | lkthomas | lag: using kvm command ? |
| 14:23.35 | MoDaX | grand_grunt: if that does not work, comment out just Mode's, leave subsections |
| 14:23.44 | lkthomas | kvm -cdrom net-inst.iso -hda debian.img -m 512 -boot d <--- this one ? |
| 14:23.49 | qubodup | MoDaX: do you know what the right column means in lsmod? |
| 14:23.57 | Lagbolt | that looks good |
| 14:24.15 | Lagbolt | i dont use qemu, tried it once a while ago. i prefer virtualbox |
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| 14:24.37 | MoDaX | qubodup: size, used by, deps |
| 14:24.47 | Lagbolt | lkthomas, that kvm line doesnt have anything for network |
| 14:24.56 | Lagbolt | lkthomas, how will netinstall cd work with that? |
| 14:24.59 | dante_2core | where does fetchmail save the mails it recieves and can I specify this somewhere? |
| 14:24.59 | RuyalarPrensi | Can I speak Turkish? |
| 14:25.26 | MoDaX | RuyalarPrensi: no, only english here please |
| 14:25.40 | lkthomas | Lag: I don't know yet |
| 14:25.44 | RuyalarPrensi | thanks MoDaX |
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| 14:26.34 | MoDaX | qubodup: could you paste to pastebin ls -l --recursive /usr/lib/xorg |
| 14:27.46 | qubodup | hmm. I'll try (hard without gui for me ^^) |
| 14:28.00 | MoDaX | !pastebin |
| 14:28.00 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 14:28.06 | MoDaX | !pastebin pipe |
| 14:28.06 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
| 14:28.15 | MoDaX | qubodup: ^^^ |
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| 14:29.51 | grand_grunt | MoDaX: runs perfetly, Thanks ! |
| 14:30.05 | RuyalarPrensi | yes thanks |
| 14:31.51 | MoDaX | qubodup: any luck? |
| 14:32.11 | qubodup | MoDaX: ya, http://pastebin.ca/972523 |
| 14:34.00 | MoDaX | qubodup: is your user in video group? |
| 14:34.20 | Deezire | How do I alias more ipadresses to one interface? |
| 14:34.58 | MoDaX | ifconfig eth0:1 xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx or ip addr add xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/bitmask dev eth0 |
| 14:35.15 | qubodup | MoDaX: Who is the user that starts x before anyone logs in? how to find out if a user is member of video group? I think I didn't touch user grouping |
| 14:35.28 | MoDaX | id |
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| 14:36.21 | MoDaX | qubodup: does vesa driver work? |
| 14:36.25 | MoDaX | or nv? |
| 14:36.26 | qubodup | MoDaX: well, my user is in the video group |
| 14:36.29 | qubodup | MoDaX: yes, both work |
| 14:36.55 | MoDaX | qubodup: ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia/ |
| 14:37.12 | MoDaX | no dangling cruft or old versions? |
| 14:38.08 | qubodup | MoDaX: I don't understand. 972527 |
| 14:39.15 | MoDaX | qubodup: ls -l /dev/nvidia* should list nvidia0 and nvidiactl |
| 14:39.23 | qubodup | dangling cruft? |
| 14:39.38 | MoDaX | I meant symlinks |
| 14:39.57 | qubodup | MoDaX: that is correct (nvidia0 and nvidiactl) |
| 14:40.17 | rdz | hi all. is there an easy way to measure the time a certain command needs to execute? |
| 14:40.32 | rdz | e.g. 'cp bla foo'? |
| 14:40.37 | nevyn | tim |
| 14:40.41 | nevyn | rdz: time |
| 14:40.44 | Deezire | MoDaX: Should have told me it removes the other adress and disconnects me from SSH. |
| 14:40.53 | rdz | nevyn, ah cool.. thanks a lot |
| 14:40.54 | Deezire | I wanted to alias another one in, not remove it and replace it. |
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| 14:41.42 | MoDaX | Deezire: the 2nd command really works. I use it myself |
| 14:41.56 | Deezire | okey |
| 14:42.58 | MoDaX | qubodup: what about ls -l /usr/lib/libnvidia-tls.so* |
| 14:43.14 | Deezire | Blargh, now i have to contact the hostingsenter. |
| 14:43.15 | rdz | how can i check, if a usb device really uses hispeed (usb 2)? |
| 14:43.30 | Lagbolt | MoDaX, is qubodup trying to get rid of nvidia? or make it work? |
| 14:43.37 | bkw | Is it possible to disable/wipe the default motd that appear at each login on etch? Just editing /etc/motd doesn't seem to be a solution. |
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| 14:44.27 | MoDaX | Lagbolt: to make it work. but he had nvidia.com drivers previously |
| 14:44.35 | Lagbolt | ah |
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| 14:44.54 | _vvd | bkw: comment out motd in /etc/pam.d/login |
| 14:45.14 | Lagbolt | MoDaX, qubodup i assume you tried the --uninstall right? |
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| 14:45.18 | russo | hi all |
| 14:45.23 | russo | i have a quick question |
| 14:45.25 | MoDaX | Lagbolt: yes |
| 14:45.27 | ma3x | what's the best 'beacon' value for wireless? |
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| 14:45.47 | Lagbolt | lol just checking. so what sort of error is there? |
| 14:45.59 | garotosopa | Hi. The battery monitor plugin stopped working on last kernel update. Does somebody know what modules I need? Is there a way to determine where the problem is? |
| 14:46.07 | bkw | _vvd: Will the /etc/motd be editable after that? right now it seem like it's overwritten everytime. |
| 14:46.08 | qubodup | MoDaX: libnvidia-tls.so.1 and libnvidia-tls.so.169.09 |
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| 14:46.29 | MoDaX | rdz: if it stops working when you rmmod ehci-hcd, then it uses usb2 |
| 14:46.36 | russo | i'm trying to edit my Asterisk init.d script so that it runs at a higher priority. I thought that all i need to do is change PARAMS="" to PARAMS="nicelevel -1"... but its not working, it says it doesn't recognize the option 1, how can i get around this? |
| 14:46.51 | rdz | MoDaX, hehe cool.. i'll try |
| 14:47.03 | _vvd | bkw: no, it will just disable any motd being displayed |
| 14:47.05 | MoDaX | rdz: # lsusb -v |
| 14:47.10 | Deezire | Hm, tried ifcofig eth0 <ip> <netmask> alias, and only go invalid argument, and the server went down. |
| 14:47.15 | MoDaX | rdz: might show this info too |
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| 14:47.27 | Deezire | s/go/got |
| 14:47.44 | clockblock | hi, i've got a problem when starting xorg. it errors out with the "I830 Vblank Pipe Setup Failed", and I read somewhere that I should downgrade the I830 driver, but I'd like a hint on how to do that, if anyone knows? |
| 14:47.55 | Lagbolt | qubodup, was that pastebin post of xorg.conf yours? |
| 14:48.02 | Deezire | ugh, i found the error |
| 14:48.06 | qubodup | Lagbolt: nope |
| 14:48.15 | _vvd | bkw: motd is generated at boottime, to dig inot it: grep -i motd /etc/init.d/* |
| 14:48.27 | Lagbolt | oh ok qubodup did you post the error from Xorg log somewhere? |
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| 14:49.14 | bkw | _vvd: I did disable it :) thanks |
| 14:49.31 | qubodup | Lagbolt: let me check |
| 14:49.35 | MoDaX | qubodup: I ran out of ideas, paste xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log as Lagbolt said |
| 14:49.37 | _vvd | bkw: np :) |
| 14:49.53 | Lagbolt | qubodup, and pastebin "dpkg -l | grep nvidia" |
| 14:50.09 | MoDaX | Lagbolt: that is fine |
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| 14:50.46 | Lagbolt | did his nvidia compile with no trouble in m-a? |
| 14:51.04 | MoDaX | yes |
| 14:51.12 | qubodup | yes |
| 14:51.14 | Lagbolt | kern module loaded with no errors? |
| 14:51.19 | MoDaX | yes |
| 14:51.26 | Lagbolt | man , this sounds wierd |
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| 14:52.21 | hetauma | can some1 help me setting up my mouse so back and forward buttons work with iceweasel and maybe nautilus ? |
| 14:52.29 | qubodup | Lagbolt: MoDaX: 972545 972546 and 972547 all on pastebin.ca |
| 14:53.15 | hetauma | here is my xorg.conf section for mouse http://www.pastebin.ca/972548 |
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| 14:53.48 | MoDaX | qubodup: try removing busid and fbdev from xorg.conf |
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| 14:54.09 | qubodup | by the way, I tried running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it screwed up my xorg.conf, had to revert it (this is a side info and not involved in not being able to run X) |
| 14:54.12 | PleXuS | is there a way to make logfile when running a new made kernel that hangs on boot ? |
| 14:54.14 | Lagbolt | yeah busid |
| 14:54.40 | eFfeM | hi, just installed lenny, installed sudo, but if I do a sudo I am not given access, how come/how to fix? |
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| 14:54.53 | gamer | Hi. I've got a problem doing NAT with a Debian box. Here's my configuration ([LaptopY] : 10.0.0.5 ---> 10.0.0.1:eth0[DebianBox]ath0:192.168.1.50 -> 192.168.1.1). I tried to do iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s 10.0.0.5/24 -d ! 10.0.0.5/24 -j SNAT --to-source 192.168.1.50 -o ath0. But it doesn't work. When I ping from the laptopY, ICMP packets reaches the Debian box via eth0 (tcpdump -i eth0 shows them) but aren't relayed via ath0 (tcpdump -i ath0 shows nothing) |
| 14:54.58 | MoDaX | qubodup: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is sort of depreciated |
| 14:54.59 | liable | eFfeM: visudo |
| 14:55.03 | qubodup | MoDaX: sbp2 and loop being loaded as modules is no problem, yes? |
| 14:55.07 | liable | eFfeM: man sudoers |
| 14:55.21 | Lagbolt | that is so wierd, xorg.0.log looks like everything should be working |
| 14:55.40 | Lagbolt | no EE |
| 14:56.00 | eFfeM | liable, i know what, it asks for the password, but does not do anything, the sudoers file says |
| 14:56.06 | qubodup | MoDaX: there is no busid and fbdev in xorg.conf |
| 14:56.07 | eFfeM | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 14:56.27 | liable | eFfeM: you need to add the user to it |
| 14:56.46 | eFfeM | isn't the line above saying everyone can become root ???? |
| 14:56.51 | MoDaX | qubodup: BusID "PCI:3:0:0" Option "UseFBDev" "true" |
| 14:56.51 | liable | no |
| 14:56.55 | eFfeM | ah ok |
| 14:56.56 | Lagbolt | BusID "PCI:3:0:0" |
| 14:57.00 | Lagbolt | lol damn you are too fast |
| 14:57.18 | qubodup | ah, you want me to comment that line out? hm ok |
| 14:57.36 | qubodup | well both |
| 14:57.37 | MoDaX | qubodup: I would also comment out Monitor section |
| 14:57.49 | eFfeM | liable, thanks, added myself that is better |
| 14:57.53 | MoDaX | qubodup: and Monitor "C19-4" in section screen |
| 14:57.59 | qubodup | ok |
| 14:58.13 | MoDaX | qubodup: Xorg will autodetect it |
| 14:58.13 | eFfeM | other q: what is the best way to manage wifi if you want to connect to multiple networks |
| 14:58.17 | qubodup | though the info is correct and probably just a name |
| 14:58.28 | qubodup | will try to restart gdm then |
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| 14:59.00 | Lagbolt | what about the "Module" section , he doesnt have one. do you need Load "glx" |
| 14:59.01 | liable | eFfeM: wpasupp or one of the network mander front ends. wpasupp has good roaming capabilities though |
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| 14:59.06 | Lagbolt | or is that just for accel? |
| 14:59.06 | clockblock | Sorry for asking again, but I thought someone should know how to do this... I've got a problem when starting xorg. it errors out with the "I830 Vblank Pipe Setup Failed", and I read somewhere that I should roll back the I830 driver to a previous, but I'd like a hint on how to do that, if anyone knows? |
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| 14:59.12 | liable | manager* |
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| 14:59.23 | qubodup | MoDaX: didn't work |
| 14:59.30 | IntuitiveNipple | Anyone know of a way to use make-kpkg with an out-of-tree build to speed up a git-bisect bug hunt? |
| 14:59.34 | Deezire | Should not ifconfig eth0 <ip> netmask <netmask> alias work? |
| 14:59.48 | Lagbolt | qubodup, what does it do? does it just go blank? or does it error out? |
| 14:59.59 | xingu | MoDaX: it's hanging initialising glx; would strongly suspect that he had some lint somewhere - a martian nvidia_drv.so, libglx.so, libGL.so, libGLcore.so or so. |
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| 15:00.18 | xingu | MoDaX: if you're really lucky he has a mesa libglx.so |
| 15:00.36 | Lagbolt | qubodup, can you purge the old stuff "dpkg -P nvidia-glx-legacy" |
| 15:00.43 | Lagbolt | and then reconfigure nvidia-glx |
| 15:01.48 | qubodup | Lagbolt: well, it tries 3times to start X, dmesg shows nothing of interest and invoce-rc.d gdm restart doesn't print anything |
| 15:01.56 | YodaYoda | clockblock: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin |
| 15:01.59 | Lagbolt | purge the legacy |
| 15:02.01 | qubodup | Lagbolt: I shouldn't have any legacy, 1sec |
| 15:02.07 | Lagbolt | it was in your pastebin |
| 15:02.18 | Lagbolt | RC <-- wasnt purged maybe something is left behind |
| 15:02.29 | qubodup | oh |
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| 15:03.00 | clockblock | YodaYoda: ah, thank you. i'll check it out |
| 15:03.02 | Lagbolt | "dpkg -P nvidia-glx-legacy" and dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx |
| 15:03.19 | qubodup | Lagbolt: purge won't do: 972553 |
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| 15:03.46 | suppaman | hello |
| 15:04.02 | Lagbolt | hmm |
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| 15:04.07 | Lagbolt | purge nvidia-glx |
| 15:04.14 | suppaman | what's a terminal emulator that refits its contents when the window is resized? |
| 15:04.16 | Lagbolt | then purge nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 15:04.18 | Lagbolt | and reinstall glx |
| 15:04.23 | Absolute0 | What's the best console emulator for X? |
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| 15:04.37 | suppaman | Absolute0: snes9x |
| 15:04.37 | Absolute0 | urxvt's buffer seems to crash a lot by me. |
| 15:04.55 | Absolute0 | suppaman: terminal emulator :P |
| 15:05.29 | xingu | suppaman: nearly all of them will generate a WINCH signal and rely on ncurses or whatever to repaint. |
| 15:05.36 | suppaman | xingu: xterm doesn't |
| 15:05.41 | qubodup | Lagbolt: 972555 |
| 15:06.48 | amphi | Absolute0: depends what you want; I find xfce4-term quite ok |
| 15:07.19 | Absolute0 | amphi: i want screen+irssi to work perfectly in it along with Terminus font |
| 15:07.27 | Lagbolt | wow |
| 15:07.30 | \amethyst | suppaman: xterm works for me |
| 15:07.49 | \amethyst | suppaman: tested by starting aptitude in xterm and resizing |
| 15:08.08 | suppaman | \amethyst: I tried with "ls" |
| 15:08.22 | suppaman | and it doesn't refit anything |
| 15:08.23 | Lagbolt | well hmm |
| 15:08.32 | MoDaX | qubodup: try commenting out subsection display too |
| 15:08.33 | \amethyst | suppaman: oh, you mean stuff that's already been printed? |
| 15:08.36 | suppaman | I mean |
| 15:08.49 | Lagbolt | qubodup, you could remove the mesa packages and see if you can purge everything then and reinstall |
| 15:08.49 | MoDaX | qubodup: I'll be back in half an hour |
| 15:08.54 | Lagbolt | pastebin dpkg -l | grep glx |
| 15:08.59 | suppaman | I use OS X's Terminal.app and found this behaviour very comfortable |
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| 15:09.27 | Lagbolt | or wait |
| 15:09.29 | qubodup | MoDaX: you mean the display? |
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| 15:09.34 | Lagbolt | instead of using dpkg do this |
| 15:09.35 | suppaman | same thing happens when using less for example but I'd like a support in terminal emulator itself |
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| 15:09.49 | xingu | suppaman: http://invisible-island.net/ncurses/ncurses.faq.html#handle_resize |
| 15:09.50 | Lagbolt | apt-get remove nvidia-glx, see if it figures out what else needs uninstalled |
| 15:09.59 | qubodup | Lagbolt: k |
| 15:09.59 | aaroncampbell | It looks like there are 21 CDs. Are all 21 needed for an install? |
| 15:10.27 | Lagbolt | qubodup, i think you need to just get all nvidia / glx progs uninstalled and purged clean and just reinstal |
| 15:10.49 | qubodup | ok, apt-get gets the same error it seems |
| 15:11.16 | Lagbolt | wtf |
| 15:11.34 | \amethyst | aaroncampbell: no, only the first CD, or even the netinst CD, is needed to install. You can fetch the other packages from the network |
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| 15:11.41 | qubodup | Lagbolt: shall i force it? |
| 15:11.47 | Lagbolt | qubodup, not yet |
| 15:12.00 | Lagbolt | qubodup, maybe you should remove all the nvidia packages, kernel module etc |
| 15:12.16 | Lagbolt | and reinstall nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 15:12.19 | qubodup | well, nvidia-glx is one of them, no? |
| 15:12.20 | xingu | Lagbolt: you're fighting [1] a missing file (libGL.so) and [2] a screwed divert (libGL.so.1.2); --force-x will be needed, with care. |
| 15:12.36 | Lagbolt | maybe it wil put the files back the way they were |
| 15:12.39 | \amethyst | suppaman: If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, rxvt seems to do what you want |
| 15:12.50 | Lagbolt | xingu, i know but i like to try other things before i force anything |
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| 15:12.59 | qubodup | Lagbolt: ok, so I should remove everything that has "nvidia" in it now? |
| 15:13.12 | \amethyst | suppaman: that is, lines longer than the number of columns are "unbroken" when you resize the window to be large enough to fit them |
| 15:13.18 | Lagbolt | qubodup, get rid of what it will let you get rid of |
| 15:13.28 | qubodup | kk |
| 15:13.31 | Lagbolt | using apt-get --purge remove if you can |
| 15:13.40 | \amethyst | suppaman: whereas xterm and gnome-terminal leaves the line broken |
| 15:13.46 | xingu | stands by his earlier assertion - rewrapping output is an application problem, not a terminal emulator problem |
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| 15:14.06 | qubodup | ok I just "aptitude remove search nvidia" hope that didn't kill me |
| 15:14.15 | \amethyst | xingu: I think the question is about programs that don't do any terminal handling |
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| 15:14.43 | \amethyst | xingu: if you print a line with 90 characters on a terminal with 80 columns, it's the terminal emulator that does the line breaking |
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| 15:15.19 | Lagbolt | qubodup, did it error out or get them uninstalled? |
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| 15:15.39 | xingu | \amethyst: the bone of contention is whether or not the terminal emulator puts the result into a buffer - which is sub-optimal in the common case (no resize) |
| 15:15.57 | qubodup | Lagbolt: didn't error, didn't uninstall =( |
| 15:16.01 | xingu | \amethyst: even a glass tty wraps lines on output |
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| 15:16.32 | \amethyst | xingu: yes, the question is whether the terminal puts it into the buffer as a single line, or as two lines |
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| 15:16.58 | xingu | \amethyst: it'd have to be a screen-proportioned buffer - ie - emulating the edit buffer of vi for example. |
| 15:17.00 | Lagbolt | qubodup, can you just do them with apt-get --purge |
| 15:17.05 | pinto3 | that'd probably take quite a bit of code to get the geometry of a shell and the size of a character and figure out how many columns are in it |
| 15:17.06 | \amethyst | xingu: huh? |
| 15:17.07 | Lagbolt | qubodup, can you just do them with apt-get --purge remove that is |
| 15:17.17 | Lagbolt | start with nvidia-kernel- and go from there |
| 15:17.17 | \amethyst | xingu: why does the scrollback buffer have to be screen-proportioned? |
| 15:17.26 | garotosopa | I try updaterc.d -f apache2 remove but it gets back when it's upgraded. How can I prevent it from starting at boot? |
| 15:17.36 | xingu | \amethyst: ok, "at least screen proportioned" |
| 15:17.38 | Lagbolt | if they error out just dpkg -P force all of them |
| 15:17.52 | xingu | \amethyst: if you add _scrollback_ into the requirement-set, it gets hairier. |
| 15:18.11 | \amethyst | xingu: anyway, rxvt does seem to do what suppaman is asking about |
| 15:18.23 | Lagbolt | i dont think anything non X / nvidia is dependent on them |
| 15:18.38 | qubodup | Lagbolt: oh, I still have the 2.6.18 kernel module installed (along with 24) |
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| 15:18.59 | Lagbolt | yeah but that shouldnt matter, it wouldnt load with the kern you are running |
| 15:19.04 | Lagbolt | you are running 24 right? |
| 15:19.09 | qubodup | ya |
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| 15:19.58 | xingu | \amethyst: rxvt doesn't, here; trivally - ls, resize to half width, resize back - half the terminal window is now blank chars. |
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| 15:21.04 | qubodup | Lagbolt: again the uninstallation error |
| 15:21.20 | Lagbolt | force them out |
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| 15:22.05 | Lagbolt | it will prob break libgl1-mesa-glx but you can remove that and reinstall it too |
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| 15:22.05 | \amethyst | xingu: when I resize to half width, the lines all re-wrap... might be some non-default setting I have |
| 15:22.05 | xingu | my apologies, I tested xterm; retesting with rxvt |
| 15:22.05 | qubodup | Lagbolt: ... I can't O_o |
| 15:22.13 | xingu | same result |
| 15:22.31 | Lagbolt | cant what? |
| 15:22.33 | qubodup | force |
| 15:22.37 | Lagbolt | really |
| 15:22.38 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 15:22.40 | qubodup | um, apt-get -f,righ? |
| 15:22.50 | Lagbolt | no |
| 15:22.52 | Akuw | in the Debian site, where is the debian ports list? |
| 15:22.53 | Lagbolt | -f is fix |
| 15:23.07 | blued | is it possible to upgrade a specific particular package? Rosegarden is hold back by my system.. I like to have it upgraded |
| 15:23.10 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.29 | Lagbolt | with a --purge |
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| 15:23.55 | xingu | \amethyst: in _curses_ apps, I get the expected result; but it's not the terminal emulator handling it there, obviously. |
| 15:23.57 | suppaman | \amethyst: rxvt doesn't seem to do that here |
| 15:24.05 | \amethyst | xingu: ah, it doesn't happen with rxvt-2.7.10 for me, but it does with urxvt |
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| 15:25.02 | suppaman | xingu: for that I should use ncurses but what if I'm just in bash? |
| 15:25.06 | Lagbolt | qubodup, i dont recall but you might have to rmmod nvidia to get kern packages to uninstall |
| 15:25.09 | suppaman | xingu: by that I mean the link you pasted |
| 15:25.35 | \amethyst | suppaman: does urxvt do it? |
| 15:25.38 | qubodup | Lagbolt: apt-get -force=yes --purge nvidia-glx results in same error |
| 15:25.48 | Lagbolt | what the hell |
| 15:25.50 | qubodup | makes sense |
| 15:25.54 | qubodup | (rmmod) |
| 15:26.07 | suppaman | \amethyst: can't find it in repo |
| 15:26.08 | qubodup | didn't help though |
| 15:26.15 | Lagbolt | qubodup, can you remove the libgl1-mesa-glx or what ever you have |
| 15:26.20 | suppaman | I'm on etch, main contrib non-free |
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| 15:26.26 | \amethyst | suppaman: package rxvt-unicode |
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| 15:26.39 | xingu | \amethyst: same result with urxvt fwiw |
| 15:26.44 | \amethyst | hmm |
| 15:26.48 | qubodup | Lagbolt: no, same error again |
| 15:26.51 | \amethyst | wonder what strange setting I have enabled |
| 15:26.58 | Lagbolt | the divert error? |
| 15:26.59 | \amethyst | urxvt isn't my normal terminal emulator |
| 15:27.22 | \amethyst | I can't seem to find anything relevant in the manual |
| 15:27.23 | qubodup | Lagbolt: without --purge it works |
| 15:27.25 | xingu | \amethyst: the _reason_ most xterms work this way is to work the other way is to require a (virt.) W x H buffer and render all output into it - and then - to render from there, again, into the visible window |
| 15:27.28 | Lagbolt | sweet |
| 15:27.30 | xingu | \amethyst: which is _slow_ |
| 15:27.35 | Lagbolt | start getting rid of it |
| 15:27.36 | suppaman | is there a (nice) icon set in etch? I've got a xterm-color-48x48 on desktop that's really ugly... |
| 15:27.41 | qubodup | Lagbolt: it seems it's uninstalling most of my X now |
| 15:27.53 | Lagbolt | thats fine, all that can be reinstalled |
| 15:27.55 | mbroeker | i am using crond right now and i want to replace it with anacron, because my box doesn't run 24/7. Now my question: do i need cron+anacron or only anacron? |
| 15:27.57 | qubodup | sure |
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| 15:28.06 | qubodup | argh |
| 15:28.08 | qubodup | error code 1 |
| 15:28.13 | qubodup | bastard |
| 15:28.26 | Lagbolt | on which package? |
| 15:28.26 | qubodup | Lagbolt: it's nvidia-glx again |
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| 15:28.31 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 15:28.49 | Lagbolt | dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-glx |
| 15:28.58 | xingu | \amethyst: it's even grosser when you consider what must happen in order to scroll the window (specifically, the common-case adding a new line at the bottom); or, to support vtxxx scrolling regions or front/back pages |
| 15:29.04 | qubodup | Lagbolt: ok, now the only problem is "can't remove blah blah" I'll just create that file and he delete it |
| 15:29.17 | suppaman | urxvt seems to |
| 15:29.18 | suppaman | nice |
| 15:29.19 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 15:29.25 | Lagbolt | just touch fileit wants to delete |
| 15:29.30 | qubodup | Lagbolt: lol, it worked |
| 15:29.32 | suppaman | now I have to make as fugly as xterm |
| 15:29.38 | Lagbolt | sweet |
| 15:29.52 | Lagbolt | so what is gone? |
| 15:29.54 | suppaman | how do I set default terminal emulator ? |
| 15:30.03 | qubodup | It said "nvidia-glx was not installed, so not removed" |
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| 15:30.28 | suppaman | !default |
| 15:30.28 | dpkg | If you don't know any better, always choose the default. |
| 15:30.30 | Lagbolt | ok so whats dpkg -l | grep nvidia and grep glx give |
| 15:30.35 | suppaman | !defaults |
| 15:30.43 | suppaman | dpkg you're a wise man |
| 15:30.48 | suppaman | or woman |
| 15:30.53 | suppaman | or bot |
| 15:31.03 | suppaman | whatever you like more to be |
| 15:31.16 | qubodup | Lagbolt: ok, no more nvidia packages that have an "i" at the beginning |
| 15:31.40 | blued | is it possible to upgrade a specific particular package? Rosegarden is hold back by my system.. I like to have it upgraded |
| 15:31.56 | \amethyst | xingu: by keeping two different buffers, one with 'logical' lines, and a smaller (maybe two-screen-high) one with physical screen lines, you could avoid most of the overhead. When the window is resized, or when it's scrolled back more than one screen, you would build a new "physical" buffer from the contents of the logical one |
| 15:32.03 | Lagbolt | cant you dpkg -P any with rc in front? |
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| 15:32.44 | suppaman | rosegarden is a midi sequencer afair |
| 15:33.12 | xingu | \amethyst: it's a little more complex than that when you throw in cursor movement, scrolling regions, and tab stop expansion |
| 15:33.13 | suppaman | how do I set default terminal emulator? |
| 15:33.21 | qubodup | Lagbolt: Lagbolt, dpkg -l still prints out the nvidia and glx stuff, want me to upload ouput? |
| 15:33.46 | Lagbolt | is it all uninstalled tho |
| 15:33.51 | qubodup | Lagbolt: what does rc mean? |
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| 15:34.06 | qubodup | Lagbolt: yes, according to aptitude |
| 15:34.06 | Lagbolt | i forget the translation but it is uninstalled but config files still can be left around |
| 15:34.13 | xingu | \amethyst: much easier and much faster in the common case to push the problem back to the application - by way of sigwinch or equivalent |
| 15:34.14 | Lagbolt | dpkg -P will eliminate it |
| 15:34.19 | qubodup | Lagbolt: will try |
| 15:34.36 | \amethyst | xingu: but that only works with terminal-aware applications |
| 15:34.53 | xingu | \amethyst: indeed. :) but there's nothing stopping you running screen inside xterm for instance. |
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| 15:35.10 | \amethyst | hm, wonder how screen deals with it |
| 15:35.16 | xingu | via curses |
| 15:35.39 | xingu | I still can't make urxvt behave this way - current sid? |
| 15:35.39 | \amethyst | xingu: no, I mean whether screen's terminal emulator behaves like xterm or like urxvt in this instance |
| 15:36.00 | xingu | \amethyst: it has a display buffer |
| 15:36.26 | \amethyst | xingu: screen does what urxvt does, it seems |
| 15:36.43 | votyakf | lu;ktioi0p70-609yueoyhg;lylyltlellwe';w'w'y'yu''t''y |
| 15:36.43 | votyakf | w |
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| 15:36.49 | xingu | \amethyst: can you get the result you describe from a straight ls output? |
| 15:36.56 | votyakf | 960j6iftooioik |
| 15:36.59 | xingu | \amethyst: bare in mind that bash is ncurses-aware... |
| 15:37.01 | qubodup | Lagbolt: ok, seems all purged |
| 15:37.06 | \amethyst | this isn't bash |
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| 15:37.12 | Lagbolt | ok so what about the mesa glx packags |
| 15:37.19 | qubodup | Lagbolt: libglu-mesa is installed |
| 15:37.25 | Lagbolt | and you said somethign about X, did you lose any of that? |
| 15:37.29 | \amethyst | xingu: yeah ls -l on my home directory produces one line that's longer than 80 characters |
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| 15:37.36 | xingu | \amethyst: my simple ls testcase is clipping urxvt as expected |
| 15:37.40 | qubodup | Lagbolt: nothing with nvidia, mesa or glx in its name left, except for glu-mesa |
| 15:37.46 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 15:37.47 | qubodup | libglu1-mesa |
| 15:37.51 | Lagbolt | what about X? |
| 15:37.52 | xingu | \amethyst: ok so that's a ls -l; try a wrapped one - just "ls" |
| 15:37.59 | Lagbolt | you said you can run X with vesa driver? |
| 15:38.00 | xingu | \amethyst: then reduce to half width, and re-expand |
| 15:38.08 | xingu | \amethyst: expected result - half a blank screen |
| 15:38.18 | \amethyst | xingu: weird |
| 15:38.26 | \amethyst | that is not the result I expect |
| 15:38.30 | qubodup | Lagbolt: apparantly not |
| 15:38.34 | \amethyst | but that is what rxvt seems to do |
| 15:38.45 | qubodup | (will startx, might have to boot) |
| 15:38.55 | qubodup | yes, X is still there |
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| 15:39.03 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 15:39.07 | xingu | \amethyst: what you're running into, I think, is that xterm and things derived from it have magic properties when the last char in the rightmost column is occupied |
| 15:39.18 | Lagbolt | now rebuild the nvidia kernel module with m-a a-i nvidia-kernel |
| 15:39.34 | xingu | \amethyst: in that specific instance each line is copied into a longer-than-line buffer which can then be rewrapped |
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| 15:39.43 | qubodup | dum-deh-dum installing |
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| 15:40.12 | xingu | \amethyst: you'll probably suffer lines falling _out_ of that (per-line) magic buffer under some boundary conditions |
| 15:40.12 | qubodup | ok done |
| 15:40.25 | xingu | \amethyst: leading to display corruption, obviously - ie - don't rely on it. |
| 15:40.26 | qubodup | Lagbolt: ^^^ |
| 15:40.40 | Lagbolt | what? |
| 15:40.45 | Lagbolt | what is ^^^ lol |
| 15:40.54 | qubodup | it's an arrow to the top |
| 15:40.59 | Lagbolt | oh |
| 15:41.00 | flixil | is a 3 eyes man |
| 15:41.00 | Lagbolt | done |
| 15:41.02 | Lagbolt | load module |
| 15:41.09 | flixil | like ^^ but in mutant-mode |
| 15:41.11 | qubodup | modprobe? |
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| 15:41.25 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 15:41.30 | xingu | \amethyst: basically, the logic kicks in iff xterm (or distant cousins) wraps a given line; otherwise, as in the "ls" example, it's _ls_ wrapping the lines |
| 15:41.44 | qubodup | cool! this time I got a response! all the other times it was silent |
| 15:41.47 | \amethyst | xingu: I know that ls without the -l does the line-wrapping itself |
| 15:41.50 | xingu | \amethyst: and again, the reason why, is that to do anything else, is slow |
| 15:41.52 | \amethyst | xingu: here's my test case: |
| 15:41.52 | Lagbolt | yeah? |
| 15:41.56 | Lagbolt | what response? |
| 15:41.58 | \amethyst | xingu: perl -e 'map { print "fnord" x $_ . "\n\n" } 10, 40' |
| 15:42.02 | xingu | \amethyst: I've now reproduced your test case |
| 15:42.05 | Lagbolt | apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 15:42.20 | \amethyst | xingu: that should print 50- and a 200-char lines of 'fnord' |
| 15:42.21 | xingu | \amethyst: set term window to something bizarre like say 80x10; ls -l; then re-expand - hey presto. |
| 15:42.34 | \amethyst | xingu: now in urxvt, resize down... both lines wrap |
| 15:42.48 | \amethyst | xingu: resize up, and they unwrap |
| 15:42.51 | qubodup | Lagbolt: um, something about "loaded this stuff" it's beyond reach now. can I scroll up/read tty-history? |
| 15:42.59 | Lagbolt | its ok |
| 15:43.01 | Lagbolt | long as it loaded |
| 15:43.07 | \amethyst | xingu: in xterm it does get cut off when you resize down and back up |
| 15:43.12 | Lagbolt | get nvidia-glx installed |
| 15:43.13 | xingu | \amethyst: this will _only_ work in the case where the line is long enough on output to trigger xterm-and-cousins linewrap |
| 15:43.40 | \amethyst | xingu: no, it happened with the 50-character line in urxvt |
| 15:43.41 | qubodup | Lagbolt: all done |
| 15:43.45 | xingu | \amethyst: in the case where the line is _shorter_ than wrap width, it won't trigger that logic, and the line won't be put into the magic per-line buffer |
| 15:43.54 | Lagbolt | try X, maybe you need to isntall the libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 15:44.02 | Lagbolt | did that get pulled back in? |
| 15:44.21 | \amethyst | xingu: try perl -e 'print "fnord" x 10 . "\n"' |
| 15:44.32 | \amethyst | xingu: then resize down to fewer than 50 columns |
| 15:44.48 | qubodup | Lagbolt: there was a warning: /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx missing LSB style header (when installing nvidia-glx) |
| 15:45.08 | xingu | \amethyst: ok; now repeat _your_ testcase, but first exit and restart urxvt |
| 15:45.17 | qubodup | Lagbolt: yes, the libgl1-mesa-glx got pulled in |
| 15:45.17 | xingu | \amethyst: :) |
| 15:45.31 | qubodup | tries x then |
| 15:45.45 | \amethyst | xingu: ah, so it happened because I had previously resized below 50 chars |
| 15:46.00 | Lagbolt | really? i have nvidia-glx in my init.d |
| 15:46.01 | suppaman | xingu: I can confirm urxvt refits lines when window is resized |
| 15:46.04 | xingu | \amethyst: precisely; it's a gnarly piece of code and I was quite drunk the last time I tried to read it. |
| 15:46.21 | xingu | \amethyst: it's full of side-effects |
| 15:46.22 | Lagbolt | oh lsb style header? no idea must goodle |
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| 15:46.40 | qubodup | Lagbolt: there is progress! I see now these characterisitc white-black background, but there are very strange vertical lines |
| 15:47.03 | \amethyst | suppaman: I can confirm that sometimes it doesn't :) |
| 15:47.04 | qubodup | Lagbolt: hell yeah! it works |
| 15:47.07 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 15:47.11 | Lagbolt | SWEEEEEEEEET |
| 15:47.15 | qubodup | =D |
| 15:47.24 | Lagbolt | i need a drink! |
| 15:47.24 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 15:47.26 | xingu | \amethyst: screen under xterm is probably the only suitable answer I can think of |
| 15:47.32 | xingu | \amethyst: or perhaps, minicom |
| 15:47.48 | xingu | ... and I'm not sure about minicom |
| 15:48.04 | qubodup | Lagbolt: ok, how do I test it? glxinfo? need to install that |
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| 15:48.20 | Lagbolt | well you can install nvidia-settings |
| 15:48.22 | Lagbolt | and run it |
| 15:48.32 | \amethyst | xingu: hrm, actually, opening a brand-new urxvt, printing 200 chars of fnord, and resizing, *doesn't* re-wrap |
| 15:48.35 | qubodup | ok |
| 15:48.35 | Lagbolt | nvidia-settings is quite nic |
| 15:48.36 | Lagbolt | e |
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| 15:49.08 | \amethyst | xingu: but if I run ls -l before doing it, it works |
| 15:49.19 | xingu | says something about side-effects |
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| 15:49.50 | \amethyst | xingu: ah, and 'reset' puts it back to the clipping behaviour |
| 15:49.56 | qubodup | Lagbolt: ok, seems to work. Now I'll reboot and we'll see if it still works. because that was the problem before, it wouldn't work after reboot |
| 15:49.56 | xingu | \amethyst: someone's probably screwed the bit that's supposed to be keeping track of whether or not the rightmost char in any onscreen line is filled |
| 15:49.58 | \amethyst | so it's some terminal setting |
| 15:50.09 | xingu | s/bit/bit of code/ |
| 15:50.09 | Lagbolt | ok well try it out |
| 15:50.13 | Lagbolt | i will be here |
| 15:50.31 | xerophyte | how can delete end of the lines using vim .. for example if i have line line one some text .. i want to remove some test ..from there to end of the line |
| 15:50.34 | xingu | \amethyst: it's probably effectively now a oneshot; clear, until the condition occurs, then set forevermore |
| 15:50.48 | xingu | (well, until the terminal state is reset anyway) |
| 15:50.53 | suppaman | xerophyte: you can use a text parser |
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| 15:51.17 | xerophyte | suppaman: got it .. its D |
| 15:51.21 | \amethyst | xingu: and print "fnord" x 80 . "\n" isn't setting that flag for some reason... hm |
| 15:51.24 | suppaman | xerophyte: ? |
| 15:51.24 | xingu | \amethyst: I used to have a good suite for provoking all these kinds of bugs :) |
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| 15:51.43 | xingu | \amethyst: is your ls -l escaping into/ out of colour mode? |
| 15:51.50 | suppaman | xerophyte: you could use sed |
| 15:52.11 | \amethyst | xingu: it was, but I also tried with ls -l | cat and it still does rewrapping |
| 15:53.06 | suppaman | mm I'm launching vncserver as user at boot time using "/sbin/start-stop-daemon -S -c suppa" but idesk isn't loading my background |
| 15:53.08 | xingu | \amethyst: try "ls -l | cat | head -3" |
| 15:53.12 | xerophyte | suppaman: thx |
| 15:53.19 | suppaman | if I start it by hands it loads it tho', what could it be? |
| 15:53.28 | suppaman | yw |
| 15:53.31 | xingu | \amethyst: the char pos at exactly W x H also has magic properties. |
| 15:53.36 | \amethyst | xingu: also, doing tput setaf 3 before, and tput sgr0 after, printing a line of fnords still leaves it in clipping mode |
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| 15:53.51 | \amethyst | xingu: AHA |
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| 15:53.55 | \amethyst | xingu: that's it I think |
| 15:54.07 | qubodup | neat, it worked |
| 15:54.46 | xingu | \amethyst: yep, it doesn't grow the buffer until the H+1'th line is created |
| 15:54.55 | xingu | \amethyst: excellent, another day, another terminal emulator quirk |
| 15:55.00 | qubodup | So let's rephrase.. "To make nvidia drivers work with your lenny installation, upgrade to sid, uninstall everything that has "nvidia" and "glx" in it, and reinstall it all again" |
| 15:55.25 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 15:55.59 | Lagbolt | i think something just got not uninstalled well enough with driver |
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| 15:56.17 | Lagbolt | glad it worked |
| 15:56.18 | qubodup | Lagbolt: well thanks for all the help |
| 15:56.26 | qubodup | is glad too |
| 15:56.26 | \amethyst | xingu: yeah, printing "fnord" x 80 just once leaves it in clipping mode, but if I repeat until there is scrolling, it's in rewrapping mode |
| 15:56.31 | xingu | \amethyst: so, to summarise; it's highly likely that urxvt is rewrapping from the scrollback buffer iff the scrollback exists; and the scrollback buffer is not instansiated until the screen scrolls. |
| 15:56.44 | Lagbolt | no prob |
| 15:56.47 | babilen | hi all. My gf managed to delete all pictures from a SD card using the camera's "delete all" function |
| 15:57.03 | babilen | do you know any problem i can use on debian to recover these pictures |
| 15:57.17 | babilen | the card has not been tampered with since the erroneus delete |
| 15:57.32 | \amethyst | xingu: yeah, the 80th column doesn't seem to be important for this behaviour---it's the 24th line |
| 15:57.36 | xingu | \amethyst: that would fit in with its requirement to be able to backscroll unicode chars which is another interesting corner case all on its own |
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| 15:57.49 | xingu | \amethyst: I bet it's actually the H+1th line that matters |
| 15:57.49 | babilen | a google search did not come up with any useful tool for linux. Is anybody aware of one? |
| 15:58.09 | Spida | babilen: take an image (without mounting) from the card (like with dd, ddrescue or so) and then use sleuthkit or autopsy |
| 15:58.10 | xingu | \amethyst: if you created an urxvt window with H=30, you'd need to hit line 31 before the scrollback buffer would be created |
| 15:58.12 | \amethyst | xingu: yeah, but only its existence, not its length |
| 15:58.17 | Lagbolt | babilen, there maybe something |
| 15:58.18 | qubodup | babilen: I would like to know of it too |
| 15:58.27 | Lagbolt | babilen, for sure if you pay lol |
| 15:58.39 | Spida | qubodup: sleuthkit, autopsy |
| 15:59.58 | babilen | Spida: thanks, i will try these tools |
| 16:00.01 | \amethyst | xingu: I like gnome-terminal's behaviour myself---it neither clips nor rewraps |
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| 16:00.18 | Lagbolt | babilen, photorec |
| 16:00.33 | Spida | babilen: autopsy is a webfrontend for sleuthkit |
| 16:00.46 | Lagbolt | babilen, http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec |
| 16:00.53 | xingu | \amethyst: I like the vt220's behaviour, it only comes in one damn dimension and it emulates it perfectly, always. :) |
| 16:00.55 | Lagbolt | looks free |
| 16:01.14 | Spida | there ist also scalpel |
| 16:01.14 | Lagbolt | for digital cams too |
| 16:01.46 | \amethyst | xingu: I thought it could do 132-column mode, too? |
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| 16:02.01 | \amethyst | xingu: or am I thinking of a later DEC terminal? |
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| 16:02.42 | xingu | \amethyst: good point; afaik it resets the char buffer completely on mode switch though. |
| 16:02.52 | \amethyst | yeah, that would make sense |
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| 16:03.09 | \amethyst | I was six years old when the VT220 was discontinued, so it's before my time |
| 16:03.11 | xingu | \amethyst: I have an uncanny suspicion it zaps scroll regions too |
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| 16:03.28 | xingu | \amethyst: ie, "that's not a problem" :) or rather "that's entirely your problem, deal" |
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| 16:05.48 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know if i can install more than one libc ? |
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| 16:06.22 | xingu | \amethyst: http://invisible-island.net/vttest/vttest.html <-- fun ways to break things. |
| 16:06.48 | Lagbolt | rocketmagnet, sure i have libc6 amd64 i686 all installed |
| 16:08.01 | MoDaX | qubodup: never ever again install nvidia.com drivers! |
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| 16:09.13 | MoDaX | qubodup: your situation is an example how they break system |
| 16:09.26 | MoDaX | qubodup: I'm glad it's solved now |
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| 16:09.50 | rocketmagnet | Lagbolt: because when i try "apt-get install build-essential" i get an error telling me i can't install this because there are packages he should not install |
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| 16:10.12 | Lagbolt | what packages did it say not to install? |
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| 16:10.24 | Lagbolt | are you running etch? |
| 16:10.27 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 16:10.36 | om | exit |
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| 16:10.44 | Lagbolt | can you pastebin what it said? |
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| 16:11.01 | rocketmagnet | i'm in text console, so i can't realy copy/paste |
| 16:11.36 | Lagbolt | oh |
| 16:11.39 | Lagbolt | um |
| 16:11.42 | rocketmagnet | he means there are dependenscies because of g++ (4:4.1.1) |
| 16:12.33 | rocketmagnet | do you think i should compile my own kernel/linux instead of using binary prebuild ones ? i only have troubles with the backporting kernel |
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| 16:13.03 | Lagbolt | depends on if you want to make major changes to kern config |
| 16:13.23 | rocketmagnet | i just need to compile kernel headers because of 3d support |
| 16:13.27 | MoDaX | pastebin pipe |
| 16:13.31 | MoDaX | !pastebin pipe |
| 16:13.31 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
| 16:13.34 | MoDaX | rocketmagnet: ^^^ |
| 16:13.46 | Haris | Guys, do we have a tool on debian that works with CVE vulnerabilities as we use reportbug for debian's own bug management system? |
| 16:14.35 | dummies_freelanc | hi need help.! i have one ram memory broken i wan use badram for new kernel and use the ram agaim. but in the moment i do make xconfig make *** n orule to make target xconfig . stop |
| 16:14.45 | dummies_freelanc | why |
| 16:14.46 | Lagbolt | 3d support? for what |
| 16:14.47 | dummies_freelanc | ? |
| 16:14.50 | Lagbolt | what are you doing? |
| 16:14.53 | bkw- | When I want to remove xscreensaver apt-get want to remove whole etc.. that's not what I want. Is it possible to remove single package? |
| 16:15.03 | rocketmagnet | blender.org |
| 16:15.27 | Lagbolt | and you dont have 3d support for what? what is your vid? |
| 16:15.29 | dummies_freelanc | help me please |
| 16:16.03 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: isn't menuconfig good enough for you? |
| 16:16.17 | dummies_freelanc | with pwd /usr/src/linuxsource-2.6.18 |
| 16:16.45 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: try qtconfig or gtkconfig |
| 16:16.49 | dummies_freelanc | not xconfig and menuconfig wrong |
| 16:17.04 | rocketmagnet | Lagbolt: but can you tell me how i can make apt-get let me install additional gcc/libc versions ? |
| 16:17.06 | dummies_freelanc | writing make qtconfig? |
| 16:17.28 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: make menuconfig or make qtconfig or make gtkconfig |
| 16:17.38 | dummies_freelanc | thanks |
| 16:18.36 | Lagbolt | rocketmagnet, you could put testing sources in your list and pull some packages in from there |
| 16:18.59 | Lagbolt | not sure tho how much that would bring in. you can set apt to prefer etch over testing and then force in some from testing that you want |
| 16:19.46 | rocketmagnet | how to tell apt-get which version to prefer ? |
| 16:20.27 | rocketmagnet | and i think i've again installed stuff from sid to etch (when installing irssi =( |
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| 16:20.51 | rocketmagnet | so i think i'll need a reinstall =( |
| 16:21.19 | rocketmagnet | does one of you know which packages i need for a full x11 gnome install ? |
| 16:21.38 | Lagbolt | put a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
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| 16:21.53 | Lagbolt | i call mine 02preferdistro |
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| 16:22.07 | Lagbolt | in that file put APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 16:22.12 | Lagbolt | or for you etch |
| 16:22.14 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 16:22.28 | rocketmagnet | can i also use "sid" instead of "testing" ? |
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| 16:22.59 | dummies_freelanc | MoDax: no working make menuconfig or make qtconfig or make gtkconfig |
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| 16:23.10 | Lagbolt | unstable sure, what ever you put in your sources |
| 16:23.13 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: error? |
| 16:23.23 | dummies_freelanc | idem wrong make *** n orule to make target xconfig . stop |
| 16:23.29 | dummies_freelanc | wrong |
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| 16:24.30 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: it's still about xconfig |
| 16:24.57 | Lagbolt | rocketmagnet, its nice and you can always do apt-cache policy packagename |
| 16:25.03 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: I told you to try `make menuconfig` |
| 16:25.08 | Lagbolt | it shows all the versions available and what is installed and prefered |
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| 16:28.56 | Lagbolt | well time to get some Z's |
| 16:28.58 | Lagbolt | later |
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| 16:29.21 | rocketmagnet | does one of you know where i can find the linux-header-2.6.23-1-amd64 ? |
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| 16:29.51 | Lagbolt | rocketmagnet, run 24 :) |
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| 16:30.07 | rocketmagnet | is this possible with my backport ? |
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| 16:30.44 | MoDaX | rocketmagnet: the place where you got your kernel from |
| 16:31.12 | MoDaX | rocketmagnet: actually 2.6.24 etchnhalt has been upload to stable today |
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| 16:31.19 | MoDaX | etchnhalf* |
| 16:31.25 | MoDaX | uploaded* |
| 16:31.35 | peterius | quote characters are showing up as blocks on console, anyone know where to fix that? |
| 16:31.38 | Lagbolt | rocketmagnet, if you are adding testing and sid sources why do you use back ports? |
| 16:31.41 | dummies_freelanc | MoDax: wrong with make menuconfig |
| 16:31.47 | dummies_freelanc | why? :( |
| 16:31.52 | MoDaX | so you won't need any backports to get 2.6.24 |
| 16:31.54 | smhar | Greetings, |
| 16:32.15 | rocketmagnet | is sid usabe state ? |
| 16:32.29 | rocketmagnet | so it does not damage my hardware ;) |
| 16:32.30 | dummies_freelanc | i use etch |
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| 16:32.42 | suppaman | usabe? |
| 16:32.44 | Lagbolt | rocketmagnet, i used sid for years but i think testing is safer and you can always pull in from sid if need be |
| 16:32.53 | dvs | seconded |
| 16:33.11 | Lagbolt | catch you later . . good luck rocketmagnet |
| 16:33.16 | dvs | except for this swapd thing that happening |
| 16:33.33 | rocketmagnet | brbr |
| 16:33.35 | rocketmagnet | brb... |
| 16:34.09 | smhar | I am still circling myself to get bridge networking working in debian. I am following this guide http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox but the fact that I know little about networking as general shows here |
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| 16:39.15 | dummies_freelanc | MoDax, ?? what i do with make xconfig |
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| 16:39.50 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: pwd |
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| 16:40.25 | dummies_freelanc | usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 16:40.49 | peterius | anyone know why my console won't display "\"" but xterm will? |
| 16:40.52 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: ls -l Makefile |
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| 16:41.28 | MoDaX | peterius: \ needs to be escaped, like \\ |
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| 16:41.39 | peterius | modax: I meant just " |
| 16:41.49 | peterius | the quotes appear as blocks |
| 16:42.12 | peterius | could my console locale be different from the xterm locale? |
| 16:42.21 | peterius | is it some setting on a console or terminfo or termcap config file somewhere? |
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| 16:42.52 | MoDaX | peterius: it's probably a font issue |
| 16:43.01 | debian | today I will contribute too the open-source comunity |
| 16:43.11 | MoDaX | peterius: /etc/console-tools/config |
| 16:43.14 | peterius | I'll believe that, but how do I fix it? what's really weird is that I have another system that was working fine, that, as far as I can tell, uses the same font |
| 16:43.20 | peterius | yes /etc/console-tools/config is identical |
| 16:43.38 | MoDaX | peterius: is locale the same? |
| 16:44.01 | peterius | well I haven't checked that on the console, but would the locale be different for xterm than for the console? I guess so... I'll brb |
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| 16:45.15 | dummies_freelanc | MoDax: dummies:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18# ls -l Makefile |
| 16:45.15 | dummies_freelanc | ls: Makefile: No such file or directory |
| 16:45.56 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: looks like your dir is empty |
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| 16:46.26 | dummies_freelanc | dummies:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18# ls |
| 16:46.26 | dummies_freelanc | block fs init Kbuild lib mm README security sound |
| 16:47.20 | dummies_freelanc | no more |
| 16:47.45 | dummies_freelanc | i dont know the struct for linux source directory |
| 16:47.55 | dummies_freelanc | this is ok? |
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| 16:49.01 | mbroeker | dummies_freelanc, dpkg -L linux-source-2.6.22 | nopaste -> http://rafb.net/p/awE5WU44.html |
| 16:49.29 | mbroeker | and after unpacking it, i have a Makefile and everything i need to build a c. kernel |
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| 16:50.35 | dummies_freelanc | ok |
| 16:50.46 | dummies_freelanc | i have kernel 2.6.18 |
| 16:51.20 | qubodup | MoDaX: no more nvidia.com I promise ^^ |
| 16:51.32 | mbroeker | dummies_freelanc, well, but the procedure is the same: install the package, untar the file /usr/src/ and it you will have a makefile |
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| 16:52.48 | dummies_freelanc | i see one wrong use tar -xvfj linux-source-2.6.22.tar.bz2 |
| 16:53.25 | dummies_freelanc | this,,.. look please |
| 16:53.27 | dummies_freelanc | dummies:/usr/src# tar -xvfj linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 |
| 16:53.27 | dummies_freelanc | tar: j: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 16:53.27 | dummies_freelanc | tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now |
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| 16:54.16 | mbroeker | thx deb* here we go. |
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| 16:54.48 | simonrvn | !tell dummies_freelanc -about paste |
| 16:55.10 | mbroeker | dummies_freelanc, use tar -xvjf with f for the file at the last position BEFORE the tar.bz2 |
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| 16:56.31 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: tar xvjf |
| 16:56.38 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: no - |
| 16:56.45 | peterius | so my locale is the same on the console as it is in xterm |
| 16:56.51 | peterius | but its not all quotes that appear as blocks, only some |
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| 16:56.58 | simonrvn | the - is optional |
| 16:56.59 | peterius | I think its 0x80? |
| 16:57.06 | dummies_freelanc | http://rafb.net/p/BBAmtZ94.html |
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| 16:57.27 | MoDaX | simonrvn: I have always had hard time getting tar working with - |
| 16:57.34 | MoDaX | don't know why |
| 16:57.36 | peterius | f after j? |
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| 16:57.54 | simonrvn | i use it when needed, most cases i don't |
| 16:58.11 | mbroeker | dummies_freelanc, tar -xvjf linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 # copy and paste it |
| 16:58.21 | dummies_freelanc | ok |
| 16:58.30 | smhar | I am still circling myself to get bridge networking working in debian. I am following this guide http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox but the fact that I know little about networking as general shows here |
| 16:58.38 | simonrvn | peterius: no, f last, it indicates to tar that you want to work on a file, and what it is |
| 16:58.54 | smhar | I still can not connect the two 'real' and 'virtual' debians |
| 16:59.12 | dummies_freelanc | yesssssss |
| 16:59.18 | dummies_freelanc | :D |
| 16:59.29 | peterius | simonrvn: that's what I'm saying |
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| 16:59.52 | niten | hi all . i'm on debian etch,and am trying to install new version of rtorrent. i apt-get remove it,remove the packages,wget the new version,but when i do apt-get install rtorrent,it just installs the older 0.6.4 one |
| 16:59.59 | niten | what am i doing wrong? |
| 17:00.06 | simonrvn | peterius: oh, ok, misunderstood then |
| 17:00.20 | peterius | simonrvn: make it up to me ;-) tell me how to fix my console |
| 17:00.56 | peterius | " are wacky |
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| 17:01.26 | simonrvn | all quotes, or just "fancy" ones? |
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| 17:01.36 | peterius | very specific quotes I think |
| 17:01.52 | peterius | like warnings in gcc output |
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| 17:02.08 | simonrvn | ` ? |
| 17:02.11 | rocketmagnet | hello again, what are the default packages i need to install to get gnome up and running ? |
| 17:02.19 | peterius | well I can't see them, but I know they're quotes |
| 17:02.25 | peterius | I would guess `, yes |
| 17:02.29 | rocketmagnet | after "apt-get install gnome" i get "can't stat /etc/X11/X" error |
| 17:02.35 | simonrvn | `foo' |
| 17:02.39 | simonrvn | how odd |
| 17:02.48 | smhar | ok.. let me make this clearer. I am not in a network. the eth and the wlan are not connected to a network. but still I want to make a local network between the host debian and the guest debian for the purposes of testing. The host does not have a dhcp server and I am not connected to a router |
| 17:02.52 | simonrvn | what's the locale? |
| 17:03.30 | peterius | en US UTF 8 |
| 17:03.38 | peterius | could it be something about the gcc locales? |
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| 17:03.57 | peterius | its a problem in the man pages |
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| 17:04.21 | peterius | I remember seeing this thing on a friend of mine's system I sshed into, annoyed the heck out of me but didn't know how to fix it |
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| 17:04.54 | MoDaX | peterius: try LANG=C echo '"' |
| 17:05.07 | simonrvn | weird, should be ok... btw, use "uxterm" and not plain "xterm" for utf-8; also, i'd suggest using: echo -e "\x1b%G" in .bashrc or something |
| 17:05.24 | peterius | modax: would that fix man pages as well? |
| 17:05.28 | peterius | oh wait, sorry |
| 17:05.29 | peterius | hold on |
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| 17:05.55 | peterius | modax: those all seem to be okay |
| 17:06.02 | peterius | but modax: its probably ` we think now |
| 17:06.04 | debian | Is etch in testing? |
| 17:06.20 | MoDaX | debian: etch is stable, lenny is testing |
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| 17:07.28 | niten | noone? :( |
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| 17:07.50 | debian | MoDaX: Do you have a reliabole source for wikipedia that says so? |
| 17:07.59 | maligor | niten, dpkg -i file.deb |
| 17:08.21 | MoDaX | debian: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/ |
| 17:08.39 | debian | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/ |
| 17:08.46 | debian | MoDaX: What version? |
| 17:08.48 | debian | 4.0? |
| 17:09.02 | Wyzard | debian: "The current stable distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version 4.0r3, codenamed etch." |
| 17:09.07 | Wyzard | debian: It's written right on that page |
| 17:09.17 | niten | maligor,then it will remove the default rtorrent in debian package? |
| 17:09.21 | Wyzard | debian: "The current testing distribution is lenny." |
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| 17:09.46 | maligor | niten, assuming it uses the same name or specified a conflict |
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| 17:10.25 | \amethyst | debian: is something on Wikipedia claiming that etch is testing? |
| 17:10.29 | niten | k,thx,i'll try it |
| 17:11.12 | debian | \amethyst: Norwegian wikipedia said etch was in testing. |
| 17:11.18 | debian | I'm correcting the error |
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| 17:11.57 | simonrvn | that was just plain old |
| 17:12.09 | simonrvn | old info |
| 17:12.17 | debian | yes |
| 17:13.13 | peterius | modax: what was the LANG=C supposed to do? |
| 17:13.22 | peterius | modax: I mean use that setting, but how can I see it without that? |
| 17:13.28 | peterius | modax: echo '`' works fine |
| 17:14.11 | MoDaX | peterius: LANG=C changes your locale for echo command |
| 17:14.16 | \amethyst | debian: Do you write nynorsk too? The nynorsk page on Debian is just a stub |
| 17:14.45 | peterius | modax: right, I get that, but like I said, I can't seem to output the funny characters |
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| 17:14.51 | peterius | modax: with or without LANG=C |
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| 17:15.07 | debian | \amethyst: U a norwegian? I have some nynorsk skills |
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| 17:15.43 | \amethyst | debian: No, I'm not Norwegian, nor do I speak the language :( |
| 17:16.28 | peterius | modax: okay, new development: xterm works, eterm and linux console do not |
| 17:17.17 | smhar | I need some guiding into the right direction |
| 17:17.31 | simonrvn | how i went about this is get console going, then x stuff. worked out better for me |
| 17:17.39 | debian | \amethyst: Nobody really speak Nynorsk, only old people. Besides, nynorsk people understand normal Norwegian |
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| 17:18.23 | simonrvn | damn, sounds endangered, like mine |
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| 17:21.54 | martianixor | MoDaX: for the problem with burning CDs I've downgraded wodim to -exec wodim -v |
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| 17:23.03 | MoDaX | martianixor: any luck? |
| 17:23.04 | martianixor | MoDaX: wodim_1.1.2-1 |
| 17:23.10 | martianixor | MoDaX: it didn't work |
| 17:23.12 | \amethyst | simonrvn: what language is that? |
| 17:23.20 | peterius | so ' do not display in TERM=linux or eterm but they do in TERM=xterm, how do I fix that? |
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| 17:23.28 | usbeer | Hi, I just full-upgrade and I lost the numeric keyboard (like a laptop)... any help? |
| 17:23.48 | martianixor | MoDaX: the same exact problem, the reason it took me too long is that I was searching, then had to stop to go out and do some other stuff |
| 17:24.08 | MoDaX | martianixor: maybe it's related to kernel upgrade? |
| 17:24.15 | martianixor | MoDaX: this is crazy to be unable to burn CDs, I got the debugging output of k3b |
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| 17:24.41 | martianixor | MoDaX: I tried the older kernel which I burned CDs while using, but it didn't work either |
| 17:24.50 | usbeer | p3rti, what is your problem man! |
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| 17:25.04 | martianixor | MoDaX: this /usr/bin/wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits. is what I got from the debugging output |
| 17:25.21 | p3rti | usbeer, why? |
| 17:25.26 | menzuma | can i use debian and ubuntu and windows and mac at the same time? |
| 17:25.33 | usbeer | p3rti, cuz u suck man! |
| 17:25.42 | Wyzard | menzuma: sure, using virtual machines or just different computers |
| 17:25.44 | p3rti | usbeer, ? |
| 17:25.45 | usbeer | p3rti, oh sorry is not you. |
| 17:25.47 | bkw- | I've package 'kde' installed which included xscreensaver. Now I want to remove the package xscreensaver alone, but apt-get want to remove whole 'kde' and other packages. Is it possible to remove the single xscreensaver package? |
| 17:25.51 | p3rti | usbeer, did you know me? |
| 17:26.23 | menzuma | vertiual omg i have only 256 mb ram |
| 17:26.23 | martianixor | MoDaX: it's very hard to believe that there's something wrong with the hardware, since It's kinda new, besides I'm using it for reading perfectly |
| 17:26.26 | usbeer | p3rti, anti-cupula right? |
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| 17:26.48 | p3rti | usbeer, mmm yes, but now i know a friend that is a hacker |
| 17:26.51 | MoDaX | martianixor: what kernel are you using? |
| 17:26.51 | p3rti | usbeer, is jk! |
| 17:26.54 | simonrvn | real name is 'L'nu; commonly known as Mi'kmaq. we have projects to teach my and younger generations the language laggin badly |
| 17:27.13 | menzuma | debain run on p3 machines ? |
| 17:27.17 | martianixor | MoDaX: 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 17:27.21 | menzuma | i never tried it :( |
| 17:27.21 | Wyzard | menzuma: yes |
| 17:27.29 | Wyzard | menzuma: 486 or better |
| 17:27.30 | MoDaX | martianixor: could you try to downgrade? |
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| 17:27.32 | martianixor | MoDaX: but like I said, I used the older ones |
| 17:27.33 | usbeer | p3rti, my keyboard becomes like a laptop... |
| 17:27.47 | craigevil | bkw-: 'kde' is a metapackage, just remove xscreensaver then reinstall any necessary packages that it may remove |
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| 17:27.49 | p3rti | usbeer, ole, voy a comer ahora pa donde doña eli |
| 17:27.50 | usbeer | p3rti, I lost the numeric part. |
| 17:27.53 | MoDaX | martianixor: has it ever worked? |
| 17:27.54 | martianixor | MoDaX: I used the older ones to try and burn just like I did before, but it didn't work |
| 17:27.57 | usbeer | p3rti, englis plz |
| 17:28.20 | p3rti | usbeer, inglish pikinglish |
| 17:28.28 | menzuma | debian download link please? |
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| 17:28.43 | martianixor | MoDaX: to be more precise I've switched to the kernel which I used to burn before, but it didn't work |
| 17:28.56 | debian | menzuma: For what? |
| 17:29.11 | menzuma | to use it |
| 17:29.15 | menzuma | for personal |
| 17:29.35 | MoDaX | martianixor: hdparm /dev/cdrom gives you errors too, doesn't it? |
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| 17:30.02 | Wyzard | menzuma: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 17:30.13 | bkw- | craigevil: that would be tons of packages. I don't know all of them |
| 17:30.19 | menzuma | debian: is it only for servers? |
| 17:30.39 | Wyzard | no, though it does lean a bit more toward server usage |
| 17:30.56 | martianixor | MoDaX: yes HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device |
| 17:31.06 | Wyzard | Ubuntu (which you mentioned) is more desktop-oriented |
| 17:31.11 | Wyzard | but Debian can certainly be used on desktops too |
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| 17:31.13 | victo- | Is there any downside to using python 2.4.5 (default package) vs 2.5.2? |
| 17:31.20 | menzuma | k i see |
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| 17:31.46 | martianixor | MoDaX: I've checked the result of ls -hl /dev/cdrom and I've found that it's root.root |
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| 17:32.01 | martianixor | MoDaX: so I've changed it to root.cdrom using chgrp |
| 17:32.20 | Wyzard | martianixor: That's because it's a symlink |
| 17:32.25 | martianixor | MoDaX: actually chgrp -hR root.cdrom /dev/cdrom |
| 17:32.30 | Wyzard | martian67_: Look at the permissions of the device it points to |
| 17:32.47 | LemensTS | i installed dhcp3-server on debian etch, have eth0 and eth1. Eth1 is the internal lan. My computers get DHCP now, great, but how do i give them internet access from eth0 that is on the debian etch server? |
| 17:32.53 | MoDaX | martianixor: paste ulimit -a |
| 17:33.00 | Wyzard | martianixor: It's normal for the /dev/cdrom link to be root:root |
| 17:33.16 | martianixor | MoDaX: ok |
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| 17:33.21 | debian | menzuma: NO, debian is great for a desktop |
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| 17:33.33 | gamer | LemensTS: You mean IP forwarding ? |
| 17:33.35 | martianixor | Wyzard: I was trying everything, I don't memorize such things you know |
| 17:33.45 | Wyzard | LemensTS: You need set up iptables rules for IP masquerading and enable IP forwarding |
| 17:34.07 | LemensTS | gamer/wyzard: ok i will google and read on that |
| 17:34.26 | MoDaX | menzuma: yeah, Debian is a very good desktop. though you might want to use testing |
| 17:34.30 | MoDaX | or unstable |
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| 17:34.46 | Wyzard | LemensTS: You can accomplish that with the "ipmasq" package, or with appropriate configuration of a general-purpose firewall package such as firehol or shorewall |
| 17:34.48 | LemensTS | ps..i tried firestarter it is more of a pain then it is good...simple..yea right |
| 17:34.57 | martianixor | MoDaX: http://pastebin.ca/972693 |
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| 17:35.13 | Wyzard | LemensTS: firehol is my firewall of choice |
| 17:35.41 | Wyzard | LemensTS: btw, you might be interested in the "dnsmasq" package, which is an integrated DHCP and DNS server meant for this sort of setup |
| 17:36.29 | gamer | LemensTS: 'iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -s x.x.x.x/netmask -d ! x.x.x.x/netmask -j SNAT --to-source [eth0_IP] -o eth0 && sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1' Could do the trick. |
| 17:36.53 | martianixor | I think you're looking at max locked memory ... |
| 17:36.55 | gamer | LemensTS: If the iptables rule doesn't work, just replace '-A' by '-D'. |
| 17:37.05 | gamer | LemensTS: To delete it and test other solutions :3 |
| 17:37.09 | MoDaX | martianixor: you're right |
| 17:37.20 | MoDaX | martianixor: didn't upping it help? |
| 17:37.23 | peterius | quote characters don't display properly on certain terms but display on others, how do I fix the terms that don't work: "linux, eterm" based on the one that does: "xterm", all locale is the same |
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| 17:37.53 | tcossuto | hey guys, feel stupid asking but how can I tell if my processor is AMD64 compatable? |
| 17:37.54 | martianixor | MoDaX: I think it would, I didn't do it yet, since it's going to be my first time doing so |
| 17:38.19 | Wyzard | peterius: I don't know about eterm, but I'm pretty sure the Linux console does not support Unicode unless you're using a framebuffer console |
| 17:38.19 | menzuma | oh my god 21 CD iso>:o |
| 17:38.19 | menzuma | it is very huge |
| 17:38.19 | menzuma | modax: it is huge |
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| 17:38.48 | gamer | tcossuto: Softwares like 'lshw' could help you. |
| 17:39.02 | Wyzard | menzuma: you don't need to download all those just to install Debian... you'd only need them all if you wanted to be able to install all packages in Debian without needing an Internet connection later |
| 17:39.08 | epsilon | no one need the 21 CDs |
| 17:39.28 | MoDaX | menzuma: you need just a first cd or netinst. you can the rest from the net |
| 17:39.37 | MoDaX | can get* |
| 17:39.42 | Wyzard | menzuma: The first CD or DVD is enough for a typical installation, and you can also get the small "netinst" CD, which just downloads packages as-needed during installation |
| 17:39.53 | menzuma | thanks |
| 17:40.02 | cloakable | epsilon: I find the 21 CDs great for conserving bandwith. |
| 17:40.15 | menzuma | modax thanks |
| 17:40.17 | peterius | wyzard: I am using a framebuffer |
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| 17:40.19 | Wyzard | tcossuto: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 17:40.21 | epsilon | dvd, local debian mirror... |
| 17:40.25 | peterius | wyzard: but its the man pages that don't display properly |
| 17:40.26 | cloakable | I bought the complete Etch set :) |
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| 17:40.44 | Wyzard | tcossuto: On an amd64 chip you'll see something like "address sizes: 36 bits physical, 48 bits virtual" |
| 17:40.51 | cloakable | epsilon: No dvd, mirroring uses up bandwith on a limited connection.. |
| 17:41.41 | maligor | Wyzard, err.. doesn't it show that in long mode only |
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| 17:41.50 | Wyzard | I download (from torrents) the DVD isos of the current release of Debian, just because I think they're a good idea to have, but I don't actually use them; I use netinst |
| 17:42.01 | Wyzard | maligor: hmm, good point -- I'm not sure |
| 17:42.24 | debian | The file metaphor has several downsides and it is known as a bottleneck of UNIX like operating systems. Is that true? |
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| 17:42.27 | Wyzard | tcossuto: It'll also show you the model name of your processor, though, and you can look that up online to see whether it's 64-bit-capable |
| 17:42.42 | maligor | I've seen that x86info shows the extended flags on the cpu's... well on my cpu anyway |
| 17:42.44 | tcossuto | badass |
| 17:42.45 | peterius | what about fonty package? could installing that help? |
| 17:43.05 | tcossuto | it's been a while since I used a computer...... is AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4800+ |
| 17:43.13 | tcossuto | quick? |
| 17:43.15 | Wyzard | tcossuto: that's AMD64 |
| 17:43.25 | martianixor | MoDaX: I've just raise it to 64, and trying |
| 17:43.27 | maligor | 4800+ is quite fast |
| 17:43.33 | martianixor | s/trying/retrying/ |
| 17:44.02 | tcossuto | thanks guys |
| 17:44.21 | martianixor | MoDaX: and failed |
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| 17:44.58 | pinto3 | i noticed the manpage for ioctl_list is a little dated - anybody up for editing it? ext3 commands for one would bhe handy |
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| 17:46.47 | octox2 | is there something wrong with me when i preferr building raid arrays to playing video games ? |
| 17:46.57 | garotosopa | How can I tell if a package has been installed manually or automatically as a dependency? |
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| 17:47.24 | martianixor | Wyzard: what's your max locked memory reading? |
| 17:48.07 | Wyzard | martianixor: unlimited |
| 17:48.22 | martianixor | Wyzard: for real? |
| 17:48.41 | martianixor | Wyzard: isn't that dangerous somehow? |
| 17:48.45 | Wyzard | According to "ulimit -a", yes |
| 17:49.10 | Wyzard | I haven't done anything to change it, so that's apparently the default |
| 17:49.11 | martianixor | insecure may be? |
| 17:49.16 | dummies_freelanc | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.18 | MoDaX | mine is 32kb |
| 17:49.20 | dummies_freelanc | look please |
| 17:49.42 | martianixor | Wyzard: your system is lenny? |
| 17:50.00 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: that is serious |
| 17:50.05 | Wyzard | A malicious program could maybe do a DoS by locking up all the RAM, but on a personal desktop that doesn't run anything I don't trust, I'm not highly concerned about that |
| 17:50.07 | dummies_freelanc | yes |
| 17:50.08 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: probably hw problem |
| 17:50.09 | Wyzard | At worst it could make me reboot |
| 17:50.13 | Wyzard | martianixor: sid |
| 17:50.29 | dummies_freelanc | not only RAm problem |
| 17:50.31 | Wyzard | martianixor: besides, I believe locking pages of RAM requires privileges |
| 17:50.32 | dummies_freelanc | ? |
| 17:50.49 | martianixor | Wyzard: yes it does |
| 17:51.24 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: RAM, yes |
| 17:51.29 | MoDaX | very likely |
| 17:51.33 | martianixor | Wyzard: and that is the same thing driving me nuts over this problem, since I know that the user is one of the cdrom group, and got the priviledges to change the max locked memory |
| 17:51.43 | Wyzard | maligor: I just checked... you're right that "address sizes" shows up in cpuinfo only when under a 64-bit kernel, but "em64t" shows up under "extended feature flags" in x86info even on a 32-bit kernel |
| 17:51.43 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: install & run memtest86+ |
| 17:51.55 | xingu | Wyzard: hmm, mine has 32KB as a limit; are you hauling in pam_limits.so in pam config? |
| 17:52.04 | dummies_freelanc | execute memtest and test 7 give me wrongs 31437 |
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| 17:52.20 | peterius | fonty didn't help |
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| 17:52.43 | xingu | Wyzard: fwiw my customised limits.conf has a single limit set (core, to 0, for all users) |
| 17:52.46 | Wyzard | xingu: /etc/pam.d/{login,ssh} both have "session required pam_limits.so" |
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| 17:52.55 | sayers | what is the advantages of server processors and server motherboards ? |
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| 17:53.09 | sayers | s/is/are |
| 17:53.14 | xqj37 | is there a channel for common administration questions? |
| 17:53.21 | MoDaX | dummies_freelanc: replace/remove it. otherwise you can't avoid such random problems |
| 17:53.46 | maligor | Wyzard, yeah, x86info seems to be the only one that reports them correctly too, the other cpu info apps I tested were a bit flaky |
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| 17:54.28 | dummies_freelanc | i no have many.. y need use one kernel with out badram sectors |
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| 17:55.36 | rocketmagnet | hello |
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| 17:56.01 | rocketmagnet | where is the path for compiling the kernel with menuconfig ? |
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| 17:56.11 | rocketmagnet | or what packages do i need ? |
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| 17:56.50 | peter_12 | what command can I use to get the system's time? |
| 17:57.08 | xingu | peter_12: date |
| 17:57.15 | peter_12 | thanks |
| 17:57.18 | facedown | Attempt #2 at trying to get my headphones to work. I have ALSA working fine with my onboard sound but when I plug in the headphones (green to green, NOT MIC thats pink) and IM 100% SURE THEY WORK FINE I can't hear anything, and the onboard sound goes null. Any ideas? Im on debian etch. Sennheiser headphones. ALSA. |
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| 17:58.26 | xingu | rocketmagnet: make-kpkg(1), specifically --config menuconfig |
| 17:58.37 | Studiosus | Is there any tool to create "snapshot" of installed packages in Debian, so one can rollback to some snapshot? |
| 17:59.01 | xingu | Studiosus: dpkg --get-selections? |
| 17:59.32 | xdr | hehe, I'm gonna get a penguin tattoo over my heart |
| 18:00.13 | Studiosus | --get-selections is just list of installed packages, how can I rollback system to state of install, say, 2 days earlier? |
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| 18:00.30 | Wyzard | Studiosus: Restore a backup? :-) |
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| 18:01.55 | dummies_freelanc | exist some kernel compilated with badram for download ? |
| 18:02.14 | Wyzard | I don't think Debian provides compiled kernels with the badram patch |
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| 18:02.31 | Wyzard | You'd have to custom-compile one |
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| 18:03.01 | omm | hello |
| 18:03.02 | Wyzard | or (preferably) just replace your defective RAM |
| 18:03.30 | victo- | I'm trying to completely remove python 2.4 so I can uninstall python 2.5 but even though I did "apt-get remove" on its packages in "dpkg -l" it still shows up there. How do I completely wipe it out? |
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| 18:04.19 | Wyzard | victo-: Removing Python 2.4 would be a bad idea since it's Debian's default, and things rely on it |
| 18:04.21 | dummies_freelanc | yes i compilated one kernel with badram but dont. make .deb segmentation fault |
| 18:04.22 | martianixor | MoDaX: when I did ulimit -l again I found out that it's still 32 |
| 18:04.34 | up365 | facedown, when you open Volume Control - Switches tab, is Headphone LFE checked? And Preferences -Headphone LFE,Headphone,&Headphone Center? |
| 18:04.46 | martianixor | MoDaX: so I changed it in /etc/security/limit.conf, is this the way to change it, or there's a command for that |
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| 18:04.52 | Wyzard | victo-: You can have both 2.4 and 2.5 installed though |
| 18:05.26 | mbroeker | martianixor, i think you need to re-login to make these settings active. |
| 18:05.58 | victo- | Wyzard: When trying to run stuff with python it still returns 2.4.5 instead of 2.5.2 even though I installed 2.5.2 over it |
| 18:06.17 | Wyzard | victo-: that's because /usr/bin/python is a symlink to python2.4 |
| 18:06.22 | Wyzard | victo-: (and you shouldn't change that) |
| 18:06.31 | Wyzard | victo-: Run it with "python2.5" |
| 18:06.31 | martianixor | mbroeker: I know, but I'm wondering if there's a command for changing such type of settings, instead of editing the file manually |
| 18:06.59 | Wyzard | victo-: You didn't install 2.5 "over" 2.4; you have them installed side-by-side as "python2.4" and "python2.5" |
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| 18:07.17 | mbroeker | martianixor, only root can set some settings to better values. users can use ulimit to change some values, but they apply only for the session |
| 18:07.18 | Wyzard | victo-: Debian's python-minimal package provides the python->python2.4 symlink because 2.4 is currently Debian's default |
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| 18:07.43 | Wyzard | victo-: At some point, Debian's default will change, and an updated version of the python-minimal package will make that symlink point to python2.5 instead |
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| 18:08.36 | mbroeker | martianixor, so try ulimit -l 64 as user: you will get a permission error |
| 18:08.55 | martianixor | mbroeker: actually I tried, and I got nothing, |
| 18:09.10 | mbroeker | martianixor, so try ulimit -l 20 works fine |
| 18:09.12 | martianixor | mbroeker: when I did ulimit -l I got the same value listed 32 |
| 18:09.45 | martianixor | mbroeker: so as root I changed the configuration file manually |
| 18:09.51 | mbroeker | martianixor, it works for me here: ulimit -l 20 is possible, 64 results in an error |
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| 18:10.20 | MoDaX | martianixor: ulimit -l efect is limited to the shell you executed the command |
| 18:10.21 | martianixor | mbroeker: well I guess cause your modifications are in the range allowed |
| 18:10.30 | mbroeker | martianixor, to minimize the administration: create a group in limits.conf |
| 18:10.39 | martianixor | mbroeker: in the range allowed for your usr |
| 18:10.39 | nass | hi all |
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| 18:10.51 | mbroeker | martianixor, yes true: i can lower the value, but i cannot increase it |
| 18:11.20 | mbroeker | and closing the shell resets the current state |
| 18:11.25 | victo- | Wyzard: so I should reinstall python2.4? |
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| 18:12.26 | martianixor | mbroeker: yeah of course, or it would've been leveraged priviledges crises |
| 18:12.39 | Wyzard | victo-: Does "dpkg -s python2.4" actually say it's not installed? |
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| 18:13.10 | victo- | well i just reinstalled it |
| 18:13.14 | victo- | 2.4-minimal |
| 18:13.25 | martianixor | MoDaX: what about modifying the limits.conf file |
| 18:13.29 | martianixor | ? |
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| 18:13.45 | nass | i have a question. What system authenticate is better? libpam-ldap or winbind for debian systems? also, there are some windows machines in the net. The authenticate server is a debian with openldap and samba server. Thank you |
| 18:13.54 | MoDaX | martianixor: I don't know. but you can check easily |
| 18:14.17 | martianixor | MoDaX: I did, and I found the change permanent |
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| 18:14.34 | MoDaX | martianixor: but did it solve cd writing problem? |
| 18:14.53 | martianixor | MoDaX: a correction it's not permanent |
| 18:15.16 | martianixor | MoDaX: I think I'll need a relogin to know that |
| 18:15.28 | MoDaX | martianixor: yes |
| 18:15.33 | martianixor | brb |
| 18:15.36 | xqj37 | hi, I want my mail server to be accessible only by foo.mail.com but not by mail.com, is /etc/hosts.allow the right way to go? |
| 18:15.52 | mbroeker | martianixor, you can create a shell script: #!/bin/bash ulimit -l 20 && $command :) |
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| 18:17.23 | martianixor | mbroeker: :-) yup thanks for the hint, my mind is extraordinarily dull lately |
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| 18:23.24 | Mantaar | mbroeker: why not just a shell function and put it in your .${SHELL}rc. That wouldn't force you to start another instance of bash everytime you fire up that program. |
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| 18:25.11 | mbroeker | Mantaar, the easiest way is an alias. But kde and gnome cannot handle it. So everytime a need to tweak custom commands, a do it this way. |
| 18:25.45 | martianixor | MoDaX: I tried again to burn, before that I made sure the max locked memory is 64 not 32, I think I'll try with unlimited, I don't think it's a wise thing to do |
| 18:26.11 | Mantaar | mbroeker: there goes another reason for not using a DE :-). Yeah, I'd do it like this in GNOME, too... |
| 18:26.16 | martianixor | like screen so much |
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| 18:28.36 | martianixor | any idea what's a Power calibration area error ! |
| 18:28.57 | HockeyInJune | May I ask questions about ssh here? |
| 18:29.05 | MoDaX | martianixor: have you tried burning dvds? |
| 18:29.09 | OBcecado | means media disc is b0rked |
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| 18:29.16 | n-iCe | hi |
| 18:29.22 | n-iCe | new debian user |
| 18:29.28 | martianixor | MoDaX: I don't even have a DVD reader |
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| 18:30.56 | susanne-- | what's the usual recommended apache log analyzer? |
| 18:31.53 | martianixor | MoDaX: only the external DVD/VCD player next to the TV |
| 18:31.55 | mbroeker | susanne--, i am using awstats. i don't like it really. but it works |
| 18:32.09 | n-iCe | how to update all my debian? |
| 18:32.44 | Mantaar | n-iCe: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, from the command line. aptitude and synaptic offer interfaces for that purpose though. |
| 18:33.31 | mbroeker | Mantaar, bye the way: whats the shortcut for upgrade and dist-upgrade in aptitude? I haven't found it since today. |
| 18:33.34 | susanne-- | mbroeker: what's your objection to it? |
| 18:33.52 | martianixor | mbroeker: same |
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| 18:34.00 | martianixor | mbroeker: aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 18:34.16 | martianixor | mbroeker: or what do you mean by shortcut? |
| 18:34.18 | n-iCe | oh |
| 18:34.19 | n-iCe | thnaks |
| 18:34.34 | n-iCe | Maakuth if i have an old debian version it will update to the newest ? |
| 18:34.37 | martianixor | mbroeker: you mean one letter key? |
| 18:34.40 | mbroeker | susanne--, a log analyzer should provide: the possibility to show which IP picked what URL at what time. AND awstats cannot do it |
| 18:35.29 | mbroeker | martianixor, yes: pressing u does an apt-get update. pressing g or U or anything does not what i want |
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| 18:36.33 | martianixor | mbroeker: tried "shift+?" ? ;-) |
| 18:36.52 | mbroeker | yes i did and pressed ctrl-c to get ridd of it |
| 18:37.25 | martianixor | mbroeker: hehe why not q? |
| 18:37.30 | mbroeker | this frontend is not familiar to me. i am using apt-get and aptitude without ncurses. |
| 18:37.33 | martianixor | mbroeker: what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 18:38.32 | mbroeker | anyway. it may work somehow, but it doesn't matter. i prefer the command-line tools i understand. |
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| 18:38.55 | martianixor | mbroeker: I prefer CLI too actually :-) |
| 18:41.25 | mbroeker | watches ghostbusters right now on a local tv station. haven't seen it for ages! |
| 18:41.52 | peterius | anyone know why apostrophe character would display on xterm but not eterm or linux console? |
| 18:41.54 | blust66 | there guy utility to change DNS to static IP ? |
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| 18:43.52 | n-iCe | how can I know if my debian is detecting my wireless usb adapter? |
| 18:44.19 | peterius | dmesg and look for usb lines? |
| 18:44.34 | MoDaX | n-iCe: iwconfig should show it then |
| 18:44.54 | n-iCe | MoDaX command not found :| |
| 18:45.06 | MoDaX | !info wireless-tools |
| 18:45.14 | dpkg | wireless-tools: (Tools for manipulating Linux Wireless Extensions), section net, is optional. Version: 29-1 (sid), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 256 kB |
| 18:45.16 | MoDaX | n-iCe: ^^^ |
| 18:45.43 | n-iCe | how much ram does debian requires? |
| 18:45.55 | Haris | !info powerdns |
| 18:46.04 | maligor | n-iCe, depends on use |
| 18:46.10 | Haris | does powerdns have the geobackend built in, in its latest model? |
| 18:46.13 | Haris | model=version |
| 18:46.28 | Haris | in the debian package |
| 18:46.53 | MoDaX | !info pdns-backend-geo |
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| 18:46.57 | dpkg | pdns-backend-geo: (geo backend for PowerDNS), section net, is extra. Version: 2.9.21-6 (sid), Packaged size: 98 kB, Installed size: 232 kB |
| 18:46.58 | MoDaX | Haris: ^^^ |
| 18:47.00 | martianixor | heheheheeeeee sense flag (not valid) |
| 18:47.26 | martianixor | even after max locked memory ulimited is set |
| 18:47.43 | MoDaX | martianixor: have you tried cdrdao? |
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| 18:48.02 | facedown | Any reason why my headphones aren't working with ALSA? But my onboard sound works fine? If I plug in headphones the sound goes null |
| 18:48.13 | n-iCe | MoDaX I can get it |
| 18:48.14 | Haris | sadly, the guys I have to install it for is on centos |
| 18:48.15 | n-iCe | can't |
| 18:48.27 | martianixor | MoDaX: not really no |
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| 18:48.46 | MoDaX | Haris: this is debian support channel |
| 18:49.12 | Haris | MoDaX: Yep, that's why I didn't ask about centos here =) |
| 18:49.54 | n-iCe | How can I enable my wireless connection? |
| 18:50.06 | n-iCe | ubuntu does it by itself :| |
| 18:50.15 | MoDaX | n-iCe: what adapter? |
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| 18:50.33 | n-iCe | MoDaX usb adapter |
| 18:50.59 | MoDaX | n-iCe: plug it, run `lsusb` as root |
| 18:51.19 | n-iCe | done |
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| 18:51.29 | blust66 | i have instal apache2 ..if i try open localhost it work but ask me firefox to save file vwgrmacz.phtml ..its a virus? |
| 18:51.32 | MoDaX | n-iCe: you should see the name |
| 18:51.33 | n-iCe | D-link Corp, says MoDaX |
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| 18:52.18 | MoDaX | n-iCe: paste dmesg | tail -n20 to pastebin.ca |
| 18:52.56 | n-iCe | the pc hasn't internet... |
| 18:53.26 | dante_2core | <20:51> < n-iCe> the pc hasn't internet... |
| 18:53.39 | dante_2core | one says "the pc doesn't have internet" |
| 18:53.49 | dante_2core | sorry, just tapped into my eye and I though i'd tell you |
| 18:54.10 | MoDaX | n-iCe: ok |
| 18:54.19 | MoDaX | n-iCe: are you running etch? |
| 18:54.28 | n-iCe | what's that :|, first time with debian |
| 18:54.39 | n-iCe | Here how do I see my wireless connections? |
| 18:54.39 | MoDaX | n-iCe: stable? |
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| 18:54.56 | MoDaX | n-iCe: you don't have required package installed |
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| 18:55.05 | n-iCe | how to install it? |
| 18:55.09 | n-iCe | isn't on the cd? |
| 18:55.19 | \amethyst | dante_2core: I haven't a clue why it's that way :) |
| 18:55.31 | MoDaX | n-iCe: it is on cd, just don't know which one |
| 18:55.46 | dante_2core | \amethyst, ? negative clauses need an auxilary verb, that's why AFAIK |
| 18:56.13 | \amethyst | dante_2core: Note the use of "haven't" in my sentence :) |
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| 18:56.19 | MoDaX | n-iCe: are you really not able to connect the box to the Internet? |
| 18:56.22 | n-iCe | ok thanks |
| 18:56.30 | n-iCe | MoDaX nope |
| 18:56.39 | MoDaX | n-iCe: via cable |
| 18:56.46 | n-iCe | There is no cable in here |
| 18:56.46 | Coke | Hi! I'm on an AMD Athlon system, I'm now running the testing 2.6.22-3-686 kernel, I tried installing and booting 2.6.24-1-686 and it failed to initialize all my IDE drives, both hda, hdb (disks) and hdc (cdrom). It ended up timing out while being "unable to send command to device" or someting similar. Did I forget to install a package? |
| 18:56.48 | dante_2core | \amethyst, it's gramatically wrong, I'm pretty sure of that |
| 18:56.49 | n-iCe | Just wireless |
| 18:56.55 | \amethyst | dante_2core: archaic, at least |
| 18:57.00 | n-iCe | I think im gonna keep ubuntu then :/ |
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| 18:57.19 | Coke | n-iCe: problem with getting new NIC's working? |
| 18:57.31 | n-iCe | what's the iwconfig on debian? |
| 18:57.34 | MoDaX | n-iCe: which cd do you have? |
| 18:57.40 | Coke | n-iCe: iwconfig |
| 18:57.46 | n-iCe | Command not foind |
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| 18:57.49 | n-iCe | found |
| 18:58.02 | Coke | n-iCe: but hey, if you're having problem with new hardware, Etch and a half provides an installer with an updated kernel. |
| 18:58.04 | syke | now that gcc 4.3 is released and on a branch, are there plans to provide a discrete gcc-4.3 package? |
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| 18:58.13 | n-iCe | Coke isn't new |
| 18:58.18 | dummies_freelanc | dpkg |
| 18:58.18 | n-iCe | ubuntu detects it and old version |
| 18:58.19 | syke | (rather than in gcc-snapshot, that is?) |
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| 18:58.31 | Coke | n-iCe: well, new is relative. the problem is you don't have support for it in the kernel, right? |
| 18:58.33 | n-iCe | Why iwconfig isn't working ? |
| 18:58.36 | dante_2core | \amethyst, in contemporary English negation almost always requires that the negative particle be attached to an auxiliary verb such as do or be. I go not is archaic; I do not go or I am not going are what the contemporary idiom requires. |
| 18:58.41 | dante_2core | ok, you pwnt me. :D |
| 18:58.51 | Coke | n-iCe: iwconfig is in /usr/sbin, only root has it in it's path by default |
| 18:58.51 | facedown | Has anyone had trouble getting headphones to work that was solved by manually installing alsa drivers? |
| 18:58.59 | MoDaX | n-iCe: which cd do you have? |
| 18:59.11 | n-iCe | MoDaX no idea the version |
| 18:59.13 | n-iCe | how to know? |
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| 18:59.26 | MoDaX | n-iCe: if you apt-get install wireless-tools, what does it say? |
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| 18:59.42 | Coke | So, anybody having IDE communication problems in testing's 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 18:59.54 | Coke | Or can help me fix mine? :) |
| 19:00.05 | dante_2core | afk |
| 19:00.06 | n-iCe | wait is asked me for the cd, let me insert it |
| 19:00.20 | MoDaX | n-iCe: cool |
| 19:00.21 | n-iCe | is debian 4.0 |
| 19:00.23 | peterius | does anyone know what the bad character square is called so that I can try to google this? |
| 19:00.24 | n-iCe | by the way |
| 19:00.27 | \amethyst | dante_2core: but 'have' is itself an auxilliary, as much as 'be' is |
| 19:00.27 | dante_2core | shower, leave a msg |
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| 19:01.09 | FordCortina | is there still an 8GB boot limit? or is that only for really old BIOS? |
| 19:01.18 | n-iCe | MoDaX now? |
| 19:01.27 | MoDaX | n-iCe: run iwconfig |
| 19:01.34 | dante_2core | \amethyst, I know, but in these cases it was the main verb, an auxilary verb alone can't be used as is, it becomes a main verb |
| 19:01.41 | n-iCe | good works, but says, no wireless extensions |
| 19:01.43 | n-iCe | :| |
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| 19:02.09 | MoDaX | n-iCe: for all interfaces? |
| 19:02.12 | dante_2core | n-iCe, you need the drivers for your wlan-card |
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| 19:02.17 | \amethyst | dante_2core: But one doesn't say "He doesn't be a programmer." |
| 19:02.17 | dante_2core | shower, leave a msg |
| 19:02.22 | dante_2core | ask MoDaX on how to get them |
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| 19:02.28 | n-iCe | MoDaX yup for all |
| 19:02.42 | \amethyst | dante_2core: I guess, however, you would say "He doesn't do anything." |
| 19:02.42 | dante_2core | shower, leave a msg |
| 19:02.43 | dante_2core | \amethyst, one also doesn't say He isn't a programmer |
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| 19:03.02 | dante_2core | \amethyst, "to be" is a weird case, that's right. |
| 19:03.17 | MoDaX | n-iCe: ok, you probably need a newer kernel |
| 19:03.20 | dummies_freelanc | look please http://paste.debian.net/102 |
| 19:03.21 | dante_2core | \amethyst, one could say "he is no programmer" |
| 19:03.23 | n-iCe | MoDaX how |
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| 19:03.41 | MoDaX | n-iCe: uname -r |
| 19:03.47 | dante_2core | \amethyst, especially the combination with the shortening isn't instead of is not, it sounds bad |
| 19:04.01 | dante_2core | \amethyst, but "he is not a programmer" doesn't sound that bad |
| 19:04.05 | n-iCe | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 19:04.11 | dante_2core | (soundsn't XD) |
| 19:04.12 | n-iCe | that's the answer |
| 19:04.35 | dummies_freelanc | MoDax: i changfe the slot the module of ram and clean the connectors with one gome and now no have problems. |
| 19:04.47 | MoDaX | n-iCe: do you have a usb flash drive? |
| 19:04.56 | n-iCe | yeah |
| 19:05.06 | dante_2core | safk now |
| 19:05.44 | dummies_freelanc | only this wrong in moment of make the .deb with badram |
| 19:06.39 | n-iCe | MoDaX should I keep ubuntu? |
| 19:07.13 | hefe | ALGEN KE ABLA ESPANIOL PORFAVOR GRATIAS |
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| 19:07.35 | flixil | hefe, #debian-es |
| 19:07.59 | MoDaX | n-iCe: sec |
| 19:08.00 | flixil | And you must say: "Alguien que able español por favor, gracias" |
| 19:08.23 | n-iCe | hable * |
| 19:08.35 | flixil | s/gracias/grácias |
| 19:08.39 | flixil | :) |
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| 19:10.35 | MoDaX | n-iCe: download ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6.24/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686_2.6.24-5~etchnhalf.1_i386.deb |
| 19:10.49 | MoDaX | copy it to flash drive |
| 19:10.55 | n-iCe | ok |
| 19:11.22 | MoDaX | and copy it to that debian machine |
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| 19:11.42 | n-iCe | ok |
| 19:12.17 | jelly-home | ooh, etch+0.5 ! |
| 19:12.18 | MoDaX | n-iCe: do you have gnome there? |
| 19:13.04 | n-iCe | I guess so |
| 19:13.35 | MoDaX | n-iCe: once you're done, ping me |
| 19:13.38 | n-iCe | it didn't detect my sound card :| |
| 19:13.48 | n-iCe | how can I update debian from the cd? |
| 19:13.56 | n-iCe | Maybe is that, I think was a light installation |
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| 19:15.03 | MoDaX | n-iCe: that newer kernel might fix all problems |
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| 19:15.12 | n-iCe | ok |
| 19:15.18 | n-iCe | just 18MB |
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| 19:15.55 | flixil | n-iCe, try at least to know which sound card do you have using the command lspci |
| 19:16.16 | MoDaX | n-iCe: while you're at it, try apt-get install network-manager-gnome |
| 19:16.25 | zophy | the gnome panel dictionary applet pops up a window without window controls, is there a way i can kill that window ? |
| 19:16.38 | n-iCe | MoDaX let me first save the file to the debian machine |
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| 19:16.45 | MoDaX | n-iCe: ok |
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| 19:17.01 | zophy | oh, nm |
| 19:17.15 | MoDaX | zophy: xkill, kill, killall |
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| 19:18.02 | zophy | clicking the panel icon hides it |
| 19:18.29 | n-iCe | Can I use my ipod as usb flash, MoDaX ? |
| 19:18.40 | MoDaX | n-iCe: I guess so |
| 19:18.43 | Akuw | hi |
| 19:19.24 | Akuw | i am making some test with grub commands, but my keymap is wrong, so i can use " = " |
| 19:19.39 | Akuw | how can i select keymap ? |
| 19:19.54 | n-iCe | modax done |
| 19:19.58 | MoDaX | Akuw: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 19:20.02 | n-iCe | now' |
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| 19:20.13 | n-iCe | I ran it there are 3 files inside what to do now? |
| 19:20.24 | MoDaX | n-iCe: open shell in that directory |
| 19:20.36 | Akuw | but, that works before i load OS ? |
| 19:20.43 | MoDaX | dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686_2.6.24-5~etchnhalf.1_i386.deb |
| 19:20.43 | dpkg | removes a kidney from modax and replaces it with linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686_2.6.24-5~etchnhalf.1_i386.deb |
| 19:20.52 | n-iCe | done, now? |
| 19:20.53 | MoDaX | haha |
| 19:21.02 | MoDaX | n-iCe: run that dpkg command |
| 19:21.17 | n-iCe | done |
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| 19:21.23 | n-iCe | is loading |
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| 19:22.14 | MoDaX | n-iCe: reboot, select 2.6.24 at boot prompt |
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| 19:22.28 | laurly | mail function in php isnt working im guessing i forgot to set something up on the server to allow it to send mails. any hints as to what im missing? |
| 19:22.41 | n-iCe | ok let me reboot |
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| 19:22.46 | MoDaX | laurly: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 19:22.55 | n-iCe | Done, rebooting |
| 19:22.59 | MoDaX | laurly: if you're using exim4 of course |
| 19:23.17 | laurly | not a clue :) this was the first time i have reinstalled the server on my own. |
| 19:23.49 | Akuw | how can i select keymap before OS kernel load ? |
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| 19:24.17 | n-iCe | MoDaX will it show me which one to select in every reboot? |
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| 19:24.44 | MoDaX | n-iCe: yes, it's auto (5 secs) |
| 19:24.53 | MoDaX | Akuw: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
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| 19:25.02 | n-iCe | MoDaX ok done, now? |
| 19:25.10 | MoDaX | n-iCe: run iwconfig |
| 19:25.14 | n-iCe | the same |
| 19:25.22 | MoDaX | uname -r |
| 19:25.42 | n-iCe | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 19:25.48 | MoDaX | n-iCe: is sound working? |
| 19:26.27 | n-iCe | wait |
| 19:26.33 | n-iCe | it detects my other wireless card |
| 19:26.57 | MoDaX | n-iCe: does iwconfig show it now? |
| 19:27.20 | MoDaX | n-iCe: an interface with wireless extensions |
| 19:27.55 | n-iCe | yes |
| 19:27.59 | n-iCe | how to enable it? |
| 19:28.03 | n-iCe | I forgot |
| 19:28.04 | MoDaX | n-iCe: good news |
| 19:28.06 | n-iCe | the eth2 |
| 19:28.16 | MoDaX | n-iCe: apt-get install network-manager-gnome |
| 19:28.35 | n-iCe | is already installed |
| 19:28.39 | MoDaX | n-iCe: cool |
| 19:28.46 | MoDaX | n-iCe: run it |
| 19:28.49 | n-iCe | ok |
| 19:28.51 | n-iCe | there is :D |
| 19:28.55 | MoDaX | n-iCe: as ordinary user |
| 19:28.59 | MoDaX | not as root |
| 19:29.00 | n-iCe | eth2 is the wireless name |
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| 19:29.27 | MoDaX | n-iCe: an icon should appear in system tray |
| 19:29.32 | dummies_freelanc | MoDax: how to change this dummies:/usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18# ls -l /usr/src/linux lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 34 2008-02-04 01:07 /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-5-k7 |
| 19:29.34 | n-iCe | I am enabling it |
| 19:29.56 | \amethyst | dummies_freelanc: ln -sf linux-source-2.6.18 /usr/src/linux |
| 19:30.09 | dummies_freelanc | thanks |
| 19:30.23 | n-iCe | it is taking time to enable it |
| 19:30.39 | MoDaX | n-iCe: does it show available networks? |
| 19:31.07 | n-iCe | Well it asked me to join my wireless info |
| 19:31.19 | MoDaX | n-iCe: ok |
| 19:31.28 | dummies_freelanc | i need waht link to linux-source |
| 19:31.38 | MoDaX | n-iCe: hopefully, network connection is good |
| 19:32.14 | n-iCe | there is a command to activate it |
| 19:32.18 | n-iCe | the eth2 how was it? |
| 19:32.57 | MoDaX | n-iCe: you should be able to active with network-manager |
| 19:33.13 | MoDaX | an app in the systray |
| 19:34.01 | MoDaX | n-iCe: it is not easy to do this via command line |
| 19:34.25 | n-iCe | I don't see the icon tray |
| 19:34.56 | Akuw | when i select Single mode in grub, what mean? |
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| 19:35.23 | MoDaX | n-iCe: open shell (ordinary user, not root) |
| 19:35.33 | MoDaX | n-iCe: run `nm-applet` |
| 19:36.17 | MoDaX | n-iCe: do you see anything? |
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| 19:36.44 | n-iCe | yeah but a cbale icon |
| 19:36.45 | n-iCe | not wireless |
| 19:36.59 | MoDaX | n-iCe: right click on it |
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| 19:37.24 | MoDaX | n-iCe: you should see a network list |
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| 19:38.11 | n-iCe | Nope |
| 19:38.20 | n-iCe | But I added a new icon to the panel, network icon |
| 19:38.26 | n-iCe | Isn't working my connection :| |
| 19:38.49 | MoDaX | n-iCe: iwlist eth2 scan |
| 19:38.51 | MoDaX | n-iCe: as root |
| 19:39.12 | MoDaX | n-iCe: does it list your network? |
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| 19:39.28 | n-iCe | Warning message |
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| 19:39.46 | MoDaX | n-iCe: try again |
| 19:39.56 | n-iCe | Warning driver for device eth2 has been compiles with version 22 of wireless extension while this program supports up to version 20 some thing may be broken... |
| 19:40.04 | n-iCe | eth2 inteface doesn't support scanning: nosuch device |
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| 19:40.20 | MoDaX | n-iCe: run iwconfig |
| 19:40.35 | MoDaX | n-iCe: which device has wireless extensions? |
| 19:40.47 | n-iCe | eth2 |
| 19:41.32 | MoDaX | hmm |
| 19:41.50 | MoDaX | ifconfig eth2 up |
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| 19:42.13 | MoDaX | n-iCe: no error? |
| 19:42.22 | n-iCe | siocsifflags, no file or directory |
| 19:43.03 | MoDaX | n-iCe: I don't get it |
| 19:43.16 | MoDaX | n-iCe: then it's not eth2 in iwconfig output |
| 19:43.16 | n-iCe | that was the error |
| 19:43.19 | n-iCe | it is |
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| 19:44.06 | MoDaX | n-iCe: ahhh, it needs firmware probably |
| 19:45.11 | n-iCe | :< |
| 19:45.18 | MoDaX | n-iCe: dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 19:45.45 | n-iCe | errors |
| 19:46.07 | MoDaX | n-iCe: what's the first word? |
| 19:46.21 | MoDaX | n-iCe: like could not find firmware? |
| 19:46.51 | n-iCe | PCI: girmaware left 0000:05:08:0 e199 interrupts enable, disablen etc... |
| 19:48.08 | MoDaX | n-iCe: dmesg | grep -i d.link |
| 19:48.38 | n-iCe | done |
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| 19:48.53 | MoDaX | n-iCe: nothing? |
| 19:48.59 | n-iCe | uhm no |
| 19:49.21 | MoDaX | n-iCe: lsusb -v | grep -e 'idProduct' -e 'idVendor' |
| 19:49.55 | n-iCe | do I need to write, ' ? |
| 19:50.05 | MoDaX | n-iCe: yes |
| 19:50.22 | n-iCe | sonw |
| 19:50.23 | n-iCe | done |
| 19:50.39 | MoDaX | n-iCe: I only need dlink related lines |
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| 19:51.16 | peterius | thanks Coke, enouf, I changed /etc/default/locale to en_US over en_US.UTF-8 and it fixed everything |
| 19:51.39 | peterius | I should have put 2 and 2 together with the "8" and the two byte apostrophe thing |
| 19:51.52 | MoDaX | n-iCe: it would help me a lot if you told me what wlan card you have |
| 19:51.53 | enouf | peterius: wow. i was .. oh nm ;-) cool |
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| 19:52.18 | enouf | peterius: you're in #debian now though ;-) |
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| 19:53.34 | n-iCe | no idea : |
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| 19:54.18 | MoDaX | n-iCe: did the last command output anything? |
| 19:54.27 | pi31415 | how is anacron normally started on debian? |
| 19:54.47 | n-iCe | MoDaX :/ I don't have time for all haha Im just gonna keep ubuntu then |
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| 19:55.14 | n-iCe | thanks for your time, thank you so much |
| 19:55.17 | peterius | waves goodbye |
| 19:55.18 | n-iCe | have an excelent day |
| 19:55.25 | n-iCe | but I need to go :| |
| 19:55.33 | MoDaX | heh |
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| 19:56.07 | MoDaX | stupid firmwares and windows centric wlan adapters |
| 19:56.12 | pi31415 | i see that /etc/init.d/anacron exists, but there is no running anacron process, and the anacron manual says "When there are no more jobs to be run, Anacron exits." |
| 19:56.25 | MoDaX | pi31415: via cron |
| 19:56.40 | MoDaX | pi31415: dpkg -L anacron |
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| 19:58.25 | pi31415 | MoDaX: i do not see anacron in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root, /etc/crontab, and nothing from grep -r anacron /etc/cron.* |
| 19:58.47 | mbroeker | its in /etc/cron.d/ |
| 19:59.10 | DirkGently | MoDaX: which wlan adapter? |
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| 19:59.17 | pi31415 | hum, someone removed /etc/cron.d/anacron from this server! |
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| 19:59.27 | pi31415 | thank you for the help |
| 19:59.47 | MoDaX | DirkGently: I don't know |
| 19:59.49 | salthog | what is the proper debian way to run iptables-restare in some kind of startup script, debian doesnt seem to like it when i change config files manually |
| 20:00.00 | salthog | i put a pre-up line in network interfaces and kde will refuse to start |
| 20:00.14 | wd | what's a good audio converter? wma mp3 to cda. |
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| 20:00.29 | salthog | likewise, i put a #comment at the end of a xorg.conf line, kde will freeze on start, gnome will freeze on logout, and i cant run some stuff in flux |
| 20:00.31 | DirkGently | MoDaX: internal? |
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| 20:01.34 | MoDaX | DirkGently: usb. but it was not my problem |
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| 20:02.06 | DirkGently | MoDaX: oh... sorry |
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| 20:02.52 | AKX | Hey... How do I change the X.Org resolution in Debian unstable? |
| 20:03.03 | AKX | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't give me the option. |
| 20:03.31 | DirkGently | I hear MS are extending XP Home support for another 2 years only for UMPCs - they're afraid Linux will get a strong foothold |
| 20:03.55 | YodaYoda | AKX: xrandr -s 1600x1200 or whatever. |
| 20:04.06 | AKX | Thanks, I'll try that, YodaYoda. |
| 20:04.23 | salthog | bangs on keyboard |
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| 20:04.55 | sysape | hehe |
| 20:05.16 | sysape | did you try adding a modeline akx |
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| 20:05.59 | AKX | I didn't dare try edit xorg.conf since it said it's autoconfigured by dexconf |
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| 20:09.12 | jelly-home | AKX: does running "xrandr" list a resolution you'd like to use? |
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| 20:09.53 | gravity | AKX: You can still edit your xorg.conf even if it was generated by dexconf |
| 20:09.54 | AKX | I'll have to start X (and KDE 4) again, hold on... |
| 20:10.14 | AKX | I'd just prefer if X didn't start at 1920x1200. ;P |
| 20:10.34 | AKX | Yeah, it does list good resolutions, jelly-home. |
| 20:11.24 | vlt | Hello. I have two PPPoE modems connected. PPPoE is PPP over Ethernet, so the modems and my NIC are talking to each other via Ethernet frames. I can see that in tcpdump for example: "00:17:0f:43:04:1c > 00:e0:7d:c0:42:cf, ethertype PPPoE S (0x8864), length 122: PPP...". How can I tell pppoe which modem (MAC address) to use for ppp0 and which for ppp1? |
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| 20:12.53 | AKX | Er... Using the KDE 4 configurator doesn't even change the resolution. It says it does, but doesn't. |
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| 20:14.09 | Inazad | hi there .. i<m trying to run vlc but i got an error oss audio output error: cannot open audio device (/dev/dsp) |
| 20:14.49 | MoDaX | AKX: kde4 is experimental |
| 20:14.54 | AKX | I know. |
| 20:15.05 | MoDaX | AKX: use xrandr |
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| 20:15.08 | AKX | But unstable's X server seems to be at fault. |
| 20:15.15 | AKX | xrandr does nothing at all either. |
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| 20:17.14 | YodaYoda | vlt: ifconfig ppp0 01:23:45:67:89:AB will set the interface to be that mac address. |
| 20:17.52 | Inazad | anyone can't help me |
| 20:18.22 | YodaYoda | Inazad: Is the user you are running it as in the audio group? |
| 20:18.48 | AKX | Ah.. Okay, it was using some magical, mystical unspecified video driver. Works now, I think. |
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| 20:19.33 | Inazad | YodaYoda, its root |
| 20:19.54 | \amethyst | YodaYoda: doesn't ifconfig want an IP address there? I'm used to ifconfig devN hw ether 00:11:22:33:44:55 |
| 20:22.46 | YodaYoda | \amethyst: Oops, yeah. |
| 20:22.55 | YodaYoda | Inazad: No idea then, sorry. |
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| 20:23.12 | Inazad | YodaYoda, I have created /dev/dsp |
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| 20:26.24 | Inazad | somebody hale already istalled Xalan ^ |
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| 20:28.57 | fbh | Hi. anyone who has expecience with nonworking pure-ftpd-mysql initd script? |
| 20:29.02 | fbh | experience* |
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| 20:30.34 | Ssam` | i cant seem to install debian it says kernal panic |
| 20:30.57 | rahul | kernAl, eh. |
| 20:31.16 | rahul | maybe you could tell us what the error was |
| 20:31.23 | rahul | or you could keep it a secret. |
| 20:31.40 | Ssam` | kernal panic - not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (9,0) |
| 20:31.42 | fbh | It did not give any error. Actually it gives no output whatsoever |
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| 20:31.57 | Ssam` | there you go laddie |
| 20:32.19 | rahul | Ssam`: this is when starting the installer? |
| 20:32.26 | Ssam` | yep |
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| 20:32.38 | Ssam` | press enter to boot then after a while this |
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| 20:32.43 | rahul | strange |
| 20:32.45 | linux_trojan | quick question: anyone know how to use a hauppagge tv tuner with ubuntu? |
| 20:32.46 | Ssam` | i am on a vbox i give u all the details |
| 20:32.52 | linux_trojan | I mean DEBIAN |
| 20:32.55 | rahul | scsi tape? |
| 20:32.56 | linux_trojan | not UBUNTU |
| 20:32.58 | Ssam` | linux_trojan try #ubuntu |
| 20:33.05 | linux_trojan | I mean debian |
| 20:33.11 | rahul | Ssam`: that's crazy... it's trying to mount a scsi tape disk as the root fs? |
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| 20:33.27 | Ssam` | i dont noe what ur sayin man. noobie |
| 20:33.27 | rahul | linux_trojan: run some tv tuner app |
| 20:33.43 | linux_trojan | do any come native with debian? |
| 20:33.45 | rahul | oh wait, st is char dev 9 |
| 20:33.55 | rahul | linux_trojan: yes. learn how to use the package management tools... |
| 20:34.15 | Ssam` | heh |
| 20:34.35 | linux_trojan | what if I am using a Hauppauge? does the type card matter? I know ATI isnt too friendly for linux |
| 20:34.46 | rahul | Ssam`: you're trying to boot the installer from RAID? |
| 20:34.54 | Ssam` | cd rom |
| 20:34.55 | rahul | Ssam`: this is making no sense whatsoever |
| 20:35.05 | Ssam` | i could try this again |
| 20:35.12 | rahul | Ssam`: the error has to do with software RAID |
| 20:35.13 | Ssam` | i could boot from the iso as well i am on a vbox |
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| 20:35.31 | Ssam` | if u want |
| 20:35.38 | linux_trojan | in another room someone was tell me about MYTHTV but that doesnt make sense if Debian already has naitive applications for this |
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| 20:35.40 | rahul | linux_trojan: udev should be loading the drivers automagically, I think |
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| 20:35.47 | dummies_freelanc | http://rafb.net/p/XvvRch22.html |
| 20:35.58 | dummies_freelanc | look please y need help for this wrong |
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| 20:36.22 | linux_trojan | sounds to me like a tv tuner in linux is just PLUG AND PLAY? |
| 20:36.35 | linux_trojan | mindless, idiot proof? |
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| 20:36.44 | rahul | linux_trojan: as long as there are drivers for it that work |
| 20:37.01 | linux_trojan | ok and how do I know that before hand? |
| 20:37.02 | rahul | and as long as your tv overlay in X is set up correctly |
| 20:37.27 | Ssam` | rahul should i boot directly from the iso on vbox? |
| 20:37.32 | Ssam` | see if the error presists? |
| 20:37.45 | rahul | Ssam`: I guess |
| 20:38.14 | Ssam` | aight hold on man |
| 20:38.25 | rahul | linux_trojan: I guess you could check www.video4linux.net |
| 20:38.38 | linux_trojan | sure why not |
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| 20:38.51 | dummies_freelanc | how to correct this wrong for compile kernel |
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| 20:43.00 | Ssam` | can u explain the error to me i am a n00b |
| 20:44.05 | dummies_freelanc | http://rafb.net/p/XvvRch22.html |
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| 20:44.37 | Ssam` | you talking to me man? |
| 20:44.38 | Ssam` | :) |
| 20:45.18 | Ssam` | rahul yaar it says that |
| 20:46.15 | Ssam` | and please append a corret "root=" boot option |
| 20:46.21 | Ssam` | correct* |
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| 20:49.56 | Ssam` | anyone? |
| 20:50.06 | Seb | Ssam`: did you compile your own kernel ? |
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| 20:50.24 | Ssam` | this is boot man |
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| 20:50.30 | Ssam` | i insert the cd and boot |
| 20:50.39 | Ssam` | havent even got there yet |
| 20:50.47 | Seb | etch official cd ? |
| 20:50.53 | Ssam` | just downloaded |
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| 20:50.56 | Ssam` | debian net inst |
| 20:51.10 | Ssam` | 40r3 |
| 20:51.12 | Ssam` | i386 |
| 20:51.22 | Ssam` | i got a p4 though |
| 20:51.38 | debian | Ssam`: Yeah, install me! |
| 20:51.56 | Ssam` | umm? |
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| 20:52.57 | Seb | Ssam`: is this a SATA cdrom ? |
| 20:53.09 | Ssam` | Pata |
| 20:53.13 | Ssam` | i think |
| 20:53.16 | Ssam` | i got 2 |
| 20:53.21 | Ssam` | ones a dvd rom and ones a cd rom |
| 20:53.28 | Ssam` | i am using a vbox to see if it will boot |
| 20:53.34 | Seb | Ssam`: vbox ? |
| 20:53.36 | Ssam` | i tried both |
| 20:53.39 | Ssam` | also an iso |
| 20:53.43 | Ssam` | virtual box |
| 20:53.48 | Seb | wdf is that ? |
| 20:54.00 | Ssam` | hrmm u dont noe what a vbox is |
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| 20:54.04 | Ssam` | umm hold on laddie |
| 20:54.13 | DirkGently | like vmware? |
| 20:54.16 | Seb | Ssam`: what I know is that's why it doesn't boot |
| 20:54.22 | Seb | Ssam`: just boot the real thing |
| 20:54.41 | Ssam` | yes vmware exactly |
| 20:55.07 | Seb | Ssam`: so as I said, boot the real thing |
| 20:55.35 | Ssam` | okay, dont know how that might help but ill boot hold on |
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| 20:56.03 | Ssam` | whats the command for isntalling X again |
| 20:56.09 | Ssam` | installing* |
| 20:56.25 | Seb | Ssam`: are you trying to boot this physical CD on your actual hardware machine, or do something else ? |
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| 20:57.03 | Ssam` | i have debian netinst |
| 20:57.04 | DirkGently | Ssam`: use an iso image if you're running a vm |
| 20:57.13 | Ssam` | yep i am DirkGently |
| 20:57.35 | DirkGently | does it work with other iso images? |
| 20:57.41 | Ssam` | yep |
| 20:57.47 | Ssam` | every other iso boots fine |
| 20:57.50 | Ssam` | except dragonfly |
| 20:57.58 | Ssam` | but i think therez something wrong with that iso |
| 20:57.59 | Ssam` | anyways |
| 20:58.01 | Ssam` | u get the point |
| 20:58.06 | DirkGently | Ssam`: which netinst file is it? |
| 20:58.13 | Ssam` | ummm |
| 20:58.15 | Ssam` | the large one |
| 20:58.21 | Ssam` | the 180 sumthing mb one |
| 20:59.31 | Ssam` | i there something i can do? |
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| 21:00.24 | DirkGently | Ssam`: i386? |
| 21:00.38 | Ssam` | yes |
| 21:00.45 | Ssam` | 159 mb |
| 21:00.49 | Ssam` | i checked |
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| 21:01.36 | Wyzard | Ssam`: What's the exact filename? |
| 21:01.43 | DirkGently | Ssam`: have you md5sum'd it? |
| 21:01.55 | Ssam` | debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:01.59 | DirkGently | Wyzard: probably debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:02.01 | Ssam` | can u md5sum on windows? |
| 21:02.13 | DirkGently | yes... google it |
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| 21:02.22 | DirkGently | I use the one from UnxUtils |
| 21:02.22 | Ssam` | aight hold on laddie |
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| 21:03.25 | DirkGently | The md5 sum should be 1df0cf02ba4213dd94b3e8bbe20cfe73 for debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:03.55 | Wyzard | I don't have the netinst iso, but FWIW, the businesscard iso boots fine in VMware Workstation 6 |
| 21:04.16 | DirkGently | Wyzard: I used netinst to build this vm |
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| 21:06.44 | facedown | what's a good program to view wvx streams? windows media |
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| 21:06.45 | facedown | im on etch |
| 21:06.46 | facedown | ?? |
| 21:07.22 | Ssam` | ummm okay done |
| 21:07.30 | Ssam` | let me verify the md5sum |
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| 21:08.27 | Ssam` | lol wherez the md5sum on debian download page? |
| 21:08.37 | DirkGently | The md5 sum should be 1df0cf02ba4213dd94b3e8bbe20cfe73 for debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 21:09.03 | Ssam` | oh boy |
| 21:09.06 | DirkGently | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
| 21:09.35 | octox2 | should my active gcc always be the same one that was used to compile my kernel ? |
| 21:09.42 | Ssam` | nope |
| 21:09.44 | Ssam` | aww man |
| 21:09.45 | Ssam` | :/ |
| 21:09.55 | DirkGently | Ssam`: dl again? |
| 21:10.05 | Ssam` | it took me 4 hours to download this |
| 21:10.08 | Ssam` | at 12 kb/s |
| 21:10.14 | DirkGently | ouch dialup? |
| 21:10.21 | Ssam` | might as well be :P |
| 21:10.23 | Ssam` | middle east |
| 21:10.23 | Ssam` | :P |
| 21:10.29 | Ssam` | is there a torrent |
| 21:10.33 | Ssam` | torrent can resume |
| 21:10.37 | DirkGently | should be |
| 21:10.49 | Ssam` | i tried to find one but cant seem to |
| 21:10.52 | Ssam` | for the net inst |
| 21:11.03 | Ssam` | i mean how many people use a netinst :P |
| 21:11.08 | Seb | curl can resume |
| 21:11.15 | Ssam` | curl? |
| 21:11.17 | Ssam` | on windows? |
| 21:11.27 | Seb | codebase is the same on anything |
| 21:11.33 | DirkGently | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 21:11.56 | Ssam` | thnks man |
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| 21:12.04 | DirkGently | np |
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| 21:12.46 | Ssam` | 98.4 |
| 21:12.56 | Ssam` | does this have x installed? |
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| 21:13.00 | Ssam` | or will i have to install x? |
| 21:13.24 | Ssam` | i just started linux dont noe much about it |
| 21:13.24 | Wyzard | Does what have X installed? |
| 21:13.31 | Ssam` | this netinst version |
| 21:13.55 | Wyzard | The netinst CD isn't a "version", it's just one of several ways to install |
| 21:14.09 | Wyzard | X stuff is optional during installation, no matter what means of installation you use |
| 21:14.10 | Ssam` | well then the netinst cd |
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| 21:14.24 | Wyzard | but the X packages aren't in that iso, so if you choose to install them, it'll involve a download |
| 21:14.30 | Ssam` | so it will prompt me? |
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| 21:14.43 | Wyzard | basically, yes |
| 21:14.50 | Ssam` | ahh kwelw |
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| 21:15.16 | Ssam` | then ill install fluxbox and for the first time have installed linux this way :) |
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| 21:17.15 | Ssam` | lol i keep typeing ls on dos to list files :P |
| 21:17.34 | DirkGently | Ssam`: with UnxUtils you can do that |
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| 21:17.52 | Ssam` | it says seeding now what is seeding |
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| 21:18.22 | Ssam` | i want to try debian because its one of the oldest and poperly documented distros |
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| 21:18.58 | Wyzard | Ssam`: That means you have the complete file and there's nothing more to download; seeding means letting others download from you |
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| 21:19.07 | DirkGently | Ssam`: I recommend doing a non-desktop install then add fluxbox after |
| 21:19.26 | Ssam` | oo kewl |
| 21:19.34 | DirkGently | the default desktop is GNOME |
| 21:19.36 | Ssam` | ill try it on fluxbox first |
| 21:19.37 | Ssam` | i mean |
| 21:19.39 | Ssam` | vbox |
| 21:19.40 | Ssam` | jeez |
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| 21:20.10 | Ssam` | how large is gnome? |
| 21:20.19 | DirkGently | huge!! |
| 21:20.22 | Ssam` | ooo |
| 21:20.31 | Ssam` | i need a teeny tiny desktop :P |
| 21:20.42 | Wyzard | XFCE would be worth considering |
| 21:20.42 | DirkGently | it took over an hour to install over the Internet |
| 21:20.55 | DirkGently | agrees with Wyzard |
| 21:20.58 | Ssam` | may be later on i can download gnome or it |
| 21:21.03 | Ssam` | ahh okay |
| 21:21.12 | Ssam` | i am on 12kb/s download |
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| 21:21.13 | Ssam` | :P |
| 21:23.25 | Ssam` | dude it worked....:D thanks man |
| 21:25.27 | DirkGently | Ssam`: already? that wasn't that slow |
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| 21:26.09 | Wyzard | He probably already had most of the file intact, so the torrent client only needed to download a small amount |
| 21:26.09 | Ssam` | nope i downloaded it to the already downloaded iso |
| 21:26.14 | Ssam` | it verified and corected |
| 21:26.20 | Ssam` | from 98.sumthing percent |
| 21:26.33 | DirkGently | ahh cool |
| 21:26.40 | Ssam` | yep Wyzard |
| 21:26.52 | Ssam` | whats the differnce b/w org and xfree86 |
| 21:26.59 | Ssam` | which is better and more used? |
| 21:27.09 | Wyzard | xfree86 is superseded by xorg |
| 21:27.10 | DirkGently | licensing |
| 21:27.38 | facedown | Any program that can handle wvx streams nicely? |
| 21:27.40 | Ssam` | but for someone like me who know zit about linux its irrelevent atm |
| 21:27.40 | DirkGently | debian dumped xfree because they buggered with the licensing |
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| 21:27.48 | Wyzard | as did most other distros |
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| 21:27.50 | Ssam` | ahh okay kewl |
| 21:27.50 | octox2 | why would some packages be kept back during the apt-get upgrade ? |
| 21:27.56 | pardus | hi all |
| 21:28.01 | pardus | good night |
| 21:28.21 | fbh | facedown: tried VLC? |
| 21:28.22 | dvs | octox2: because it's only an upgrade and not a dist-upgrade |
| 21:28.28 | Ssam` | i just need swap and linux partitoning right |
| 21:28.32 | maligor | octox2, it won't install new packages that the updated ones might depend on |
| 21:28.34 | facedown | fbh: yep.. its all glitched/blurry |
| 21:28.40 | facedown | fbh: 300K stream |
| 21:29.01 | fbh | facedown: Oh ok. VLC works fine for me though, however that's on os x but it should be same engine |
| 21:29.32 | DirkGently | Ssam`: right... give it swap == RAM |
| 21:29.46 | Ssam` | oo swap means ram |
| 21:30.04 | DirkGently | no, swap is disk |
| 21:30.09 | Wyzard | Ssam`: Swap is disk space used to compensate for not enough RAM |
| 21:30.15 | DirkGently | like Windows pagefile |
| 21:30.21 | Ssam` | ahhhhh okay |
| 21:30.25 | fbh | and is pretty damn slow :p |
| 21:30.40 | Ssam` | i dont like windows |
| 21:30.52 | Ssam` | its..well its like a big huge virus |
| 21:31.01 | fbh | Me neither. I hate it so much that I removed the windows in my house. |
| 21:31.07 | amphi | Ssam`: windows is offtopic in here ;) |
| 21:31.24 | DirkGently | Ssam`: the Install wizard is pretty helpful |
| 21:31.28 | dvs | fbh: isn't it cold? ;-) |
| 21:31.31 | Ssam` | yep |
| 21:31.35 | Ssam` | it is |
| 21:31.42 | Ssam` | thanks |
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| 21:31.47 | amphi | DirkGently: compared to aptitude? |
| 21:32.00 | Ssam` | hold on gonna install |
| 21:32.10 | DirkGently | amphi: compared to how it used to be |
| 21:32.11 | Ssam` | thanks |
| 21:32.20 | fbh | dvs: I put bricks there instead |
| 21:32.38 | dvs | to make it more secure? |
| 21:32.58 | octox2 | my kernel was compiled with gcc 4.1, but my currnet compiler is gcc4.2, should i just uninstall gcc 4.2 ? |
| 21:33.23 | DirkGently | octox2: have you got 3 |
| 21:33.29 | DirkGently | 4.1? |
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| 21:33.32 | DirkGently | as well? |
| 21:33.41 | DirkGently | s/3// |
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| 21:33.42 | octox2 | is there any reason to hae a compiler newer than the one that was used to compile th kernel ? |
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| 21:34.23 | octox2 | i need to compile a kernel module but wondered if i should just uninstall gcc 4.2 rather than selecting gcc 4.1 for this instance ? |
| 21:34.27 | DirkGently | octox2: I've got both |
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| 21:34.48 | dvs | octox2: /usr/bin/gcc is a link. Change that. |
| 21:34.57 | DirkGently | dvs: beat me to it |
| 21:35.09 | Wyzard | might not be a good idea to change that link |
| 21:35.09 | dvs | good! >-> |
| 21:35.10 | Blissex3 | octox2: newer compiler versions tend to have less bugs and sometimes a bit faster. |
| 21:35.10 | csabi | hi everyone. how can I find out which gcc version was used to compile the kernel? |
| 21:35.14 | Wyzard | If it were meant to be changed, it would use /etc/alternatives |
| 21:35.21 | octox2 | what about changing the CC environment variable to 4.1 ? |
| 21:35.26 | Wyzard | You can use CC=gcc-4.1 |
| 21:35.49 | octox2 | Wyzard: that will get reset at the next boot right ? |
| 21:36.09 | octox2 | Wyzard: not that i care, but just curious |
| 21:36.11 | Wyzard | octox2: It only takes effect in your current shell |
| 21:36.13 | DirkGently | octox2: yes |
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| 21:36.29 | octox2 | linux ROCKS |
| 21:36.31 | Wyzard | and you can even use it for just a single command, without changing any shell variables |
| 21:36.32 | octox2 | k going to try |
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| 21:37.20 | fbh | Is there any command for apt that will list all files contained in a package? |
| 21:37.25 | DirkGently | Linux ROCKS because UNIX ROCKS... |
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| 21:37.48 | octox2 | ok, i did CC=gcc-4.1 |
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| 21:38.02 | octox2 | then i did echo $CC and i get gcc-4.1 |
| 21:38.20 | fbh | nvm |
| 21:38.22 | octox2 | when i try to compile the module, it still says i am using 4.2 ? |
| 21:38.28 | DirkGently | export CC |
| 21:39.02 | octox2 | what does that do ? :) |
| 21:39.15 | Wyzard | makes the CC variable visible to programs that you run from the shell |
| 21:39.18 | Wyzard | as opposed to just the shell itself |
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| 21:39.38 | octox2 | cool |
| 21:39.45 | DirkGently | syntax can be "export CC=gcc-4.1" |
| 21:40.07 | DirkGently | or CC=gcc-4.1; export CC |
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| 21:40.21 | DirkGently | (without quotes) |
| 21:41.03 | octox2 | if i close the shell and log back in, does it show the original CC again ? |
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| 21:41.47 | tcossuto | hey guys, I've just installed debian w/ KDE. I'm wondering what the best package manager is? |
| 21:41.56 | Wyzard | octox2: yes |
| 21:42.12 | octox2 | what is the kernel source called again, i cant seem to find it |
| 21:42.21 | Wyzard | octox2: Well, more accurately, CC won't be set anymore |
| 21:42.32 | mbroeker | tcossuto, the adept manager for kde was fine but it was removed from lenny. So you need to install synaptic ( when using lenny ) |
| 21:42.53 | tcossuto | mbroeker: So what do I need to do to get one? |
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| 21:43.02 | rpc | Once i have installed a driver to NdisWrapper, how do I remove it? I need to uninstall one, and replace it with another. |
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| 21:43.25 | DirkGently | tcossuto: aptitude :) |
| 21:43.27 | mbroeker | tcossuto, aptitude install synaptic installs everything and you will get an entry in your start menü |
| 21:44.19 | tcossuto | badass. Thanks! |
| 21:45.30 | fbh | mbroeker: start menu? :P |
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| 21:45.54 | tcossuto | no, he had two dots over the u, lol |
| 21:45.55 | facedown | anyone have a clue on why my headphones with ALSA dont seem to be working? |
| 21:45.58 | facedown | onboard sound is fine |
| 21:46.01 | mbroeker | fbh, that's trivial, i am making this test now: http://www.ekg.gp.bw.schule.de/lbs/conditional/if_when.htm |
| 21:46.09 | tcossuto | they work w/ speakers but not headphones? |
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| 21:46.16 | mbroeker | i have big problems between "IF" OR "WHEN" |
| 21:46.28 | mbroeker | and i will improve now brb :) |
| 21:46.33 | Guerin | mbroeker: buy a book on formal logic |
| 21:46.51 | mbroeker | slaps his english teacher. |
| 21:47.04 | octox2 | ok, i am in lenny, and for some reason i cant install linux-headers for my kernel, and i cant find kernel-source or kernel-default? |
| 21:47.10 | octox2 | am i missing a source ? |
| 21:47.20 | octox2 | source-list * ? |
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| 21:48.53 | octox2 | linux-headers-2.6.22-3-amd64: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.22 but it is not installable |
| 21:49.04 | engla | octox2: linux-source rather than kernel-source perhaps |
| 21:49.36 | octox2 | well, i found linux-header but i cant install that either |
| 21:49.45 | fbh | mbroeker: I dont even get how to fill in the fields lol |
| 21:49.59 | engla | well perhaps you need deb-src lines in your repos config |
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| 21:50.39 | mbroeker | fbh, Dein Ergebnis ist 46%. ( which means i got 46 % out of 100 ) I have failed. |
| 21:51.27 | octox2 | ok, i found linux-source-2.6.22 , my kernel is 2.6.22-3-amd64 , is this the right source for me ? |
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| 21:52.10 | engla | yes |
| 21:52.33 | octox2 | i also need linux-tree2.6.22 right ? |
| 21:54.29 | engla | probably not. I have no idea what that is |
| 21:54.38 | engla | but its description suggests you don't need it |
| 21:55.27 | Guerin | you don't need the tree, only the source |
| 21:57.34 | octox2 | ok so now i have the source so ill try again |
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| 21:59.57 | icewalrus | noob here, i got into metacity but i cant do anything :) |
| 22:00.10 | icewalrus | only have my chat window, from fluxbox |
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| 22:00.37 | octox2 | it is still complaining that i dont have the kernel source tree for the currently running kernel arg |
| 22:01.39 | pgb | kernl-headers |
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| 22:02.18 | Guerin | octox2: solution: install and run another kernel-image and kernel-source, then boot to it |
| 22:02.29 | Guerin | but what exactly are you building? |
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| 22:02.41 | octox2 | i see now that linuheaders for my kernel are not installed |
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| 22:02.57 | octox2 | i cant install them due to a missing dependancy |
| 22:03.02 | pgb | :) |
| 22:03.09 | octox2 | Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.22 but it is not installable |
| 22:03.40 | Guerin | install a new kernel - whichever one has available headers |
| 22:03.48 | Guerin | but what are you building? |
| 22:04.11 | octox2 | nvidia kernel( i know, just install the one in the repo) |
| 22:04.44 | Guerin | you oinly need headers, not full source. And yes - install the kernel-image and kernel-headers which are currently available, and boot to that kernel |
| 22:04.56 | octox2 | well, is there a newer kernel i can use? |
| 22:05.18 | octox2 | shouldnt it install it when i do apt-get update ? |
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| 22:05.31 | Guerin | why ask me? fucking look for one. aptitude search kernel-image |
| 22:05.39 | Guerin | no, not necessarily |
| 22:06.30 | octox2 | you mean search for linux-image ? |
| 22:06.36 | Guerin | yes |
| 22:06.40 | Guerin | sorry |
| 22:06.53 | vlt | Hello. I have two PPPoE modems connected. PPPoE is PPP over Ethernet, so the modems and my NIC are talking to each other via Ethernet frames. I can see that in tcpdump for example: "00:17:0f:43:04:1c > 00:e0:7d:c0:42:cf, ethertype PPPoE S (0x8864), length 122: PPP...". How can I tell pppoe which modem (MAC address) to use for ppp0 and which for ppp1? |
| 22:07.01 | Guerin | (they used to be caLled kernel-* instead of linux-* and my brain can't remember it) |
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| 22:08.30 | octox2 | Guerin: i need to change the boot options myself right ? |
| 22:08.50 | Guerin | depends on your own case |
| 22:08.56 | octox2 | i instaled the image and the headers |
| 22:09.17 | Guerin | uwsing grub, or lilo? |
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| 22:09.39 | octox2 | i just wonder how during a kernel upgrade done automaticaly how they change all of that? |
| 22:09.43 | octox2 | grub |
| 22:09.50 | Guerin | grub it should all Just Work |
| 22:10.12 | Guerin | kernels don't necessarily upgrade authomatically, because such upgrades can be destructive in rare cases |
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| 22:11.26 | octox2 | Guerin: i just checked menu.lst and the entry for the new kernel is in there cool |
| 22:11.48 | octox2 | Guerin: i am also hoping that it made a new ram disk with my raid in it lol |
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| 22:22.45 | Pixeri | Hi |
| 22:22.56 | Pixeri | I'm creating a sw-raid1 system on my box |
| 22:23.10 | Pixeri | I'm having a bit of a problem with the mdadm |
| 22:23.18 | Pixeri | I'm not sure, how to build up the raid1-system |
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| 22:23.54 | Pixeri | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:25.30 | jelly-home | Pixeri: if you want raid1, say "raid1" |
| 22:25.43 | Pixeri | raid1 |
| 22:25.50 | Pixeri | hurr |
| 22:26.11 | jelly-home | --level=raid1, even |
| 22:26.15 | Pixeri | oh, ok |
| 22:27.11 | Pixeri | jelly-home: one thing then, lets say the sdb6 has data on it and I was planning to get sdc5 to mirror the sdb6(sdc5 is on a second hdd), does the data at sdb6 dissapear in this? |
| 22:28.24 | jelly-home | Pixeri: no idea. I'd first create with only one submirror, and then add the second |
| 22:28.46 | Pixeri | ok thanks, I need to run this all in a vps first |
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| 22:36.27 | fbh | nvm the question i asked 3 hrs ago, i got it fixed haha |
| 22:37.57 | evan_ | i had some corrupted files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ (due to power loss) and apt was being screwy so i deleted the files, but now when i try to reinstall the package apt gets confused saying that the package isn't available... is there a way to get apt to regenerate missing files in /var/lib/dpkg/info ? |
| 22:38.10 | evan_ | i tried doing apt-get clean and then apt-get update but that didn't seem to be sufficient |
| 22:38.32 | Guerin | !reinstall |
| 22:38.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 22:38.49 | Guerin | evan_: try those methods |
| 22:38.57 | Guerin | but the best way is to restore it from backup |
| 22:39.04 | evan_ | i already did reinstall |
| 22:39.04 | Guerin | if those fail, /msg dpkg lost var |
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| 22:41.45 | WolfAngel | Hi People, lovely folks of the Linux community :D |
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| 22:45.44 | diazepam | diazepam: does anyone know how to keep the timestamps on imported mail when using fetchmail? |
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| 22:46.44 | evan__ | Guerin: that lost var thing did the trick, thanks |
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| 22:49.38 | Ssam` | whats the default text abse browser included with debian |
| 22:49.53 | nightfreak_ | i want to setup multiple ip adresses on a rootserver, so i have to switch from dhcp to static configuration. when restarting the network it fails to bring up eth0 with following error: SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable. this is my interfaces configuration: http://pastebin.ca/973123 |
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| 22:53.14 | nightfreak_ | how to get a more specific error message? |
| 22:54.17 | Ssam` | lol |
| 22:54.18 | mib_y43dd5 | !fortune |
| 22:54.18 | dpkg | fortune is, like, a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement |
| 22:54.37 | peleg | sed question: I am trying to do something like " sed 's/[a-zA-Z]*\-[a-zA-Z]*/\`&\`/g' " - but instead of * using +, that is, doing " sed 's/[a-zA-Z]+\-[a-zA-Z]+/\`&\`/g' " - now it's not catching at all. do you know which variation of regex sed uses? |
| 22:54.37 | Ssam` | i got basic debian |
| 22:54.42 | Ssam` | apt-get dosent work on it |
| 22:54.44 | Ssam` | ? |
| 22:55.57 | keith- | how basic did you get? |
| 22:56.01 | azeem | !doesn't work |
| 22:56.01 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 22:56.19 | path_ | !tell Ssam` doesn't work |
| 22:56.39 | Tramp | nightfreak_: whatever the "xxx"s stand for, the gateway you set is not in this net. You will have to set a route to this gateway somehow (if it is correct at all) |
| 22:57.07 | mib_y43dd5 | !fortune |
| 22:57.07 | dpkg | well, fortune is a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement |
| 22:57.23 | HockeyInJune | Someone please remind me how to check and set my Timezone. |
| 22:57.29 | Tramp | !tell mib_y43dd5 about msg the bot |
| 22:57.38 | Ssam` | i installed debian from netinst |
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| 22:57.52 | Ssam` | and i dont noe the default text based browser |
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| 22:58.13 | DirkGently | Ssam`: lynx |
| 22:58.23 | Ssam` | hey dude i been looking for you :) |
| 22:58.31 | azeem | Ssam`: there's no default, just install one, like links, w3m or lynx |
| 22:58.41 | Ssam` | apt-get lynx? |
| 22:58.43 | DirkGently | hi Ssam` :) |
| 22:58.43 | azeem | no |
| 22:58.46 | Tramp | peleg: It uses the regexps as described in its info page |
| 22:58.55 | azeem | Ssam`: read the apt-get manpage |
| 22:59.03 | Ssam` | acha |
| 22:59.07 | nightfreak_ | Tramp: i got the gateway from netstat -rn when running the network with dhcp. its a rootserver, the provider doesn't share any information about this |
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| 22:59.45 | HockeyInJune | Someone please remind me how to check and set my Timezone. |
| 23:00.24 | whadar | I have this weird problem with the gnome login... I can't type anything except "3"! |
| 23:00.27 | peleg | Tramp: well, it says there " POSIX.2 BREs should be supported " which means nothing to me. I guess that in any regex "+" should work.. am I wrong? |
| 23:00.30 | DirkGently | HockeyInJune: tzselect? |
| 23:00.44 | streuner | !set timezone |
| 23:00.45 | Tramp | nightfreak_: why do you set something static then instead using dhcp, as your provider probably advises? If he gives you a network-setup with static addresses, he also has to give you a gateway. |
| 23:00.46 | whadar | I have also hebrew installed but the default language is english |
| 23:00.51 | streuner | hm |
| 23:01.07 | streuner | HockeyInJune: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:01.17 | streuner | !listvals timezone |
| 23:01.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'timezone' by value (2): setting time ;; timezone. |
| 23:01.23 | Ssam` | i cant find the package managers maual page |
| 23:01.33 | HockeyInJune | tzselect works fine, thnx |
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| 23:01.51 | azeem | Ssam`: man apt-get |
| 23:01.52 | DirkGently | Ssam`: man apt |
| 23:01.59 | streuner | HockeyInJune: ok |
| 23:02.00 | Tramp | peleg: you read the manpage, not the info pages. |
| 23:02.47 | Ssam` | aight thanks |
| 23:03.15 | Tramp | peleg: if you have problem with working the info-reader, try "info sed | less", then search for '\\\+' |
| 23:03.25 | peleg | Tramp: hmmm.. that's new to me. info pages? |
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| 23:03.50 | nightfreak_ | Tramp, i want to setup multiple ip adresses. not shure if this possible with dhcp |
| 23:03.54 | Tramp | peleg: yes. As noted at the very end of the manpage |
| 23:04.07 | peleg | Tramp: ok, thanks |
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| 23:04.57 | Ssam` | package w3m has no installation candidate |
| 23:05.11 | azeem | which version of Debian? |
| 23:05.17 | Ssam` | 4.0 |
| 23:05.17 | streuner | !info w3m |
| 23:05.24 | Ssam` | no x no gui |
| 23:05.24 | dpkg | w3m: (WWW browsable pager with excellent tables/frames support), section text, is standard. Version: 0.5.1-5.1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 1067 kB, Installed size: 1720 kB |
| 23:05.38 | streuner | !info w3m etch |
| 23:05.45 | dpkg | w3m: (WWW browsable pager with excellent tables/frames support), section text, is standard. Version: 0.5.1-5.1 (etch), Packaged size: 1074 kB, Installed size: 1828 kB |
| 23:06.05 | Ssam` | i dont know when i type it to install it says that |
| 23:06.06 | Tramp | nightfreak_: If you need multiple addresses, then as well your provider should be able to help you. However, my first statement still holds: the gateway you set is in a different subnet. If this subnet is directly connected, you need a route to it. |
| 23:06.08 | paxcoder | what does browsable pager mean? |
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| 23:06.50 | paxcoder | streuner? |
| 23:06.53 | amphi | paxcoder: it's a web browser that makes a decent $PAGER |
| 23:07.02 | streuner | Ssam`: it seems, that your sources.list isnt ok to me |
| 23:07.14 | Ssam` | how do i update it |
| 23:07.20 | Tramp | nightfreak_: but you cannot just "guess" your gateway, because two days ago it said so in the dhcp configuration |
| 23:07.22 | paxcoder | amphi: figured so, but what's a "$PAGER" |
| 23:07.39 | streuner | Ssam`: show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net please |
| 23:07.47 | amphi | paxcoder: less is commonly the pager; for viewing man pages and so on |
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| 23:08.02 | amphi | less(1) that is |
| 23:08.10 | paxcoder | amphi: browsable browser? wow, that's smart |
| 23:08.14 | methods | do run an access point do i have to use wifi0 vs wlan0 ? |
| 23:08.21 | DirkGently | Ssam`: did you run apt-get update? |
| 23:08.25 | paxcoder | i mean, what dpkg said |
| 23:08.46 | paxcoder | so it's like lynx or something? |
| 23:08.53 | peleg | solution: sed uses \+ instead of + for "one of more shows". |
| 23:09.00 | Ssam` | updated it :P didnt work |
| 23:09.05 | Ssam` | apt-get install w3m |
| 23:09.10 | amphi | paxcoder: it's oddly phrased, I agree |
| 23:09.24 | DirkGently | Ssam`: also, remove the cd line in sources.list (deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 20080217-11:31]/ etch contrib main) |
| 23:09.29 | paxcoder | amphi: but it's like lynx with frames right? |
| 23:09.43 | DirkGently | or whatever it is |
| 23:09.49 | amphi | it doesn't do frames; it has tabs |
| 23:09.56 | peleg | do you know, in gnome, how can I make my laptop's beep be quite? |
| 23:10.07 | Ssam` | i dont understand sorry man very newbie....sorry i know its frustrating |
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| 23:10.19 | amphi | paxcoder: well, it deals with frames by creating links to the framed pages |
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| 23:10.37 | Ssam` | ive read the manual and all |
| 23:10.43 | vlt | In pppoe's man page I found "-C ac_name" and "-S service_name". Any idea how to find out these values and in which conf file to out them? |
| 23:10.45 | paxcoder | amphi: can't you have tabs in lynx? |
| 23:10.52 | nightfreak_ | Tramp, my problem is, that i had it working with multiple ip adresses, until i restarted my machine. now only the primary ip is working |
| 23:10.53 | peleg | found out! in "sound". |
| 23:10.57 | amphi | I haven't used lynx for ages |
| 23:11.03 | vlt | *put them |
| 23:11.10 | amphi | I use w3m a lot |
| 23:11.47 | Ssam` | amphi how did u get it |
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| 23:12.17 | DirkGently | Ssam`: you get an error when you run apt-get update? or just apt-get install |
| 23:12.22 | DirkGently | ? |
| 23:12.38 | Ssam` | nope it says done |
| 23:12.55 | DirkGently | did you try lynx? |
| 23:13.05 | tarzeau | likes links2 |
| 23:13.08 | Ssam` | E: Package has no isntallation candidate |
| 23:13.09 | paxcoder | amphi: why would you use that? if I got it, it's like a graphic browser in console, right? |
| 23:13.10 | Ssam` | yep |
| 23:13.14 | Ssam` | apt-get install w3m |
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| 23:13.30 | gass | hey there |
| 23:13.47 | gass | irc.debian.org seems to be lunatic |
| 23:13.51 | paxcoder | DirkGently: I did. But I didn't use anything else |
| 23:14.00 | Tramp | nightfreak_: well, if you had it working you should do exactly, what you did to make it working before. I explained, what your problem is. So what more can I do?? |
| 23:14.49 | Ssam` | i dont have x installed just a cli |
| 23:14.56 | gass | i have the following message when i play videos in totem: http://paste.debian.net/129 |
| 23:15.08 | DirkGently | Ssam`: does lynx install? |
| 23:15.14 | gass | it is a message that Xserver got an error why badAlloc |
| 23:15.15 | Ssam` | no DirkGently |
| 23:15.21 | Ssam` | nothing installs |
| 23:15.30 | gass | and i am not able to get the source of the problem |
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| 23:15.51 | DirkGently | but apt-get update connects to the update servers okay? |
| 23:16.02 | Ssam` | yep |
| 23:16.29 | DirkGently | Ssam`: try apt-cache search w3m |
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| 23:16.46 | nightfreak_ | Tramp: you are right, but i cant remember how i got it to work. its 7 month ago since i restarted my server the last time |
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| 23:17.55 | Ssam` | its claled links |
| 23:18.07 | Ssam` | w3m returns nothing but lynx does |
| 23:18.16 | dirk_ | hi, is it possible to build a *.dev from a svn? I like to install mscore http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=109430 |
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| 23:18.25 | dirk_ | * deb |
| 23:18.26 | pompepied | hi |
| 23:18.35 | DirkGently | Ssam`: sorry.. tired |
| 23:18.41 | DirkGently | I meant links |
| 23:18.43 | pompepied | i have a problem with sshd on my debian machine |
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| 23:18.47 | Ssam` | its kewl |
| 23:19.00 | Ssam` | when i install it says the following packages have umet dependencies anyways |
| 23:19.01 | pompepied | i have installed openssh-server and openssh-client |
| 23:19.07 | Ssam` | i think i need x |
| 23:19.11 | pompepied | but i can't connect to my server |
| 23:19.18 | pompepied | -> http://pastebin.com/dfe65d27 |
| 23:19.30 | pompepied | i have the same problem with remote connexions |
| 23:19.42 | Ssam` | oo installing |
| 23:19.43 | Ssam` | yay thanks man |
| 23:20.04 | pompepied | and same problem when i try to connect on an user account. |
| 23:20.29 | DirkGently | Ssam`: if you must have X: apt-get install xfce4 |
| 23:20.34 | Ssam` | its working |
| 23:20.37 | pompepied | Can you tell me what is wrong in my config ? |
| 23:20.38 | mib_y43dd5 | !fortune |
| 23:20.38 | dpkg | fortune is, like, a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement |
| 23:20.44 | Ssam` | but thats a gui right |
| 23:20.53 | Ssam` | Xorg is an xserver |
| 23:21.00 | Ssam` | but obviously u know more about X then i do |
| 23:21.04 | DirkGently | it's a desktop, yes |
| 23:21.18 | MoDaX | pompepied: enter right passwd |
| 23:21.22 | Ssam` | dont i need an X server before i install a gui |
| 23:21.39 | Tramp | nightfreak_: check /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz - it contains examples for setting routes/gateways manually as wall as adding virtual interfaces (although using ip addr add is the preferred way to do it) |
| 23:22.18 | pompepied | i entered right password |
| 23:22.18 | pompepied | but it didn't work |
| 23:22.18 | DirkGently | it'll tell you what you need |
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| 23:22.18 | MoDaX | pompepied: run ssh with -vv |
| 23:22.18 | DirkGently | X will be one of those |
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| 23:22.30 | Ssam` | oh |
| 23:22.42 | Ssam` | so Xfce has x as well as a gui |
| 23:22.46 | Ssam` | ill install it |
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| 23:22.51 | Ssam` | how large is the file? |
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| 23:23.07 | pompepied | i will past the result on pastebin... |
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| 23:23.41 | DirkGently | Ssam`: I don't know... it'll tell you when you try to install |
| 23:23.57 | MoDaX | pompepied: try setting PasswordAuthentication no |
| 23:23.58 | Ssam` | :) |
| 23:24.02 | ericP | of dig, host and nslookup, what's trendy and hip? |
| 23:24.02 | Ssam` | ill do it now |
| 23:24.21 | pompepied | " * Sorry, your post tripped our spam filter - let us know if you think this could be improved" |
| 23:24.26 | lichgestalt | hi |
| 23:24.30 | pompepied | i already done it |
| 23:24.49 | pompepied | it ask me just 3 times the pass |
| 23:25.12 | pompepied | and tell "Permission denied (publickey,keyboard-interactive)" |
| 23:25.37 | MoDaX | pompepied: try setting PasswordAuthentication no |
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| 23:25.52 | Tramp | pompepied: (1) try a different paster (/msg dpkg paste (2) what is the message in auth.log on the server side? |
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| 23:26.36 | lichgestalt | what |
| 23:27.05 | dirk_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.08 | pompepied | MoDaX: i just explained you what it do when i set PasswordAuthentification to no |
| 23:27.19 | pompepied | with -vv : http://pastebin.ca/973185 |
| 23:27.30 | DirkGently | wanders off to bed |
| 23:27.33 | MoDaX | pompepied: check /var/log/auth.log |
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| 23:30.01 | pompepied | "sshd[1778]: PAM unable to resolve symbol: pam_sm_acct_mgmt" |
| 23:30.07 | pompepied | and "sshd[1778]: error: PAM: Module is unknown for root from localhost" |
| 23:30.08 | Ssam` | DirkGently aight night man thanks for your help seriously :) |
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| 23:33.10 | Tramp | pompepied: what version of Debian is the server running? what is the version of the openssh-server package? |
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| 23:35.12 | pompepied | openssh-server 1:4.3p2-9, debian 4.0 r0 |
| 23:35.36 | peleg | anyone here familiar with mdbtools? |
| 23:35.38 | pompepied | apt-get say i use the last version of openssh-server |
| 23:36.20 | Tramp | pompepied: and your server is running etch? |
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| 23:37.14 | Tramp | pompepied: because it says "Serveur backup2 sous Debian GNU/Linux 3.0" |
| 23:38.13 | pompepied | yes, it's my old config file |
| 23:38.17 | pompepied | i done "apt-get install libpam0g libpam-runtime libpam-modules" |
| 23:38.21 | pompepied | and it's ok :) |
| 23:38.34 | pompepied | thank you for help. |
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| 23:39.10 | pompepied | bye... |
| 23:39.13 | Tramp | thought so. |
| 23:40.46 | Ssam` | okay now i cant seem to install xfce |
| 23:40.58 | Ssam` | E broken packages |
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| 23:56.43 | Muffie | hello all |
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| 23:57.18 | Muffie | someone can tell me how can I make a mounted windows volume (trough fstab) available to all regular users? |
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| 23:58.28 | Muffie | like this, only root can write. /dev/hda5 /mnt/KarinaStuff auto users,gid=users,umask=0002,utf8=true 0 0 |
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| 23:59.59 | Ssam` | how on earth do u activate X? |
