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| 00:01.04 | AbsintheSyringe | my kde-network-manager doesnt show up on debian stable, on testing I never noticed this ... any suggestions? |
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| 00:01.58 | Ssam` | are u sure ur network is working propely atm? |
| 00:01.59 | facedown | im on debian etch.. alsa works fine on speakers.. but doesnt work when i plug in headphones.. any reason it wouldn't? mm |
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| 00:02.28 | AbsintheSyringe | Ssam`, positive, it's quite strange |
| 00:03.04 | AbsintheSyringe | facedown, try settings up the inputs, play around with different options in it |
| 00:03.25 | facedown | setting up the inputs? |
| 00:03.26 | facedown | huh |
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| 00:03.59 | AbsintheSyringe | yea, besides "pcm" "master" you should see "inputs" and such |
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| 00:05.36 | cafuego | lights a small fire in the pile of used tyres in the far corner |
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| 00:09.13 | facedown | AbsintheSyringe: nope i dont |
| 00:09.20 | facedown | AbsintheSyringe: i just see pcm, master and capture |
| 00:09.30 | facedown | AbsintheSyringe: also, alsactl does nothing.. i thought i had it |
| 00:09.46 | facedown | as in, alsactl --version says like theres no thing called alsactl |
| 00:10.06 | AbsintheSyringe | facedown, on kde there's this kmix and you can see "additional" fileds in it ... |
| 00:10.16 | facedown | im on gnome |
| 00:11.01 | facedown | this is for alsamixer, right? |
| 00:11.07 | facedown | i have 1.0.0.13 |
| 00:11.10 | facedown | err, 1.0.13 |
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| 00:33.29 | lontra | how can i format my usb flashdrive with dd so that it's empty and can be used by windows, mac, and linux? |
| 00:33.41 | lontra | i.e. how could i restore it to factory defaults essentially |
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| 00:36.35 | Lewoco | Well this sucks. I just did an update using aptitude and now lots of my programs segfault when I try to run them. Is there an easy way to fix this? |
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| 00:37.45 | mbroeker | Lewoco, first thing: look into /var/log/dpkg.log for the responsible packages. |
| 00:38.12 | kgoetz | Lewoco: lenny/sid? |
| 00:38.19 | Lewoco | unstable |
| 00:38.22 | kgoetz | lontra: format it fat[16,32] |
| 00:38.38 | kgoetz | glibc probably got upgraded. you can keep both parts |
| 00:38.57 | Lewoco | kgoetz, I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 00:39.23 | Lewoco | mbroeker, There's squillions of packages listed there, and nothing clearly stands out as being an error... What am I looking for? |
| 00:39.34 | kgoetz | Lewoco: start by installing apt-listbugs next time |
| 00:39.47 | mbroeker | for the last package updates |
| 00:39.49 | kgoetz | Lewoco: i mean that your running unstable. unstable broke. its your problem |
| 00:40.00 | kgoetz | !sid |
| 00:40.00 | dpkg | hmm... sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 00:40.27 | icesword | unstable main contrib non-free |
| 00:40.38 | kgoetz | icesword: ? |
| 00:40.47 | icesword | nothng |
| 00:41.00 | kgoetz | :) |
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| 00:41.20 | netdaemon | lol |
| 00:41.27 | mbroeker | Lewoco, grep "2008-04-05" /var/log/dpkg.log | grep installed |
| 00:41.27 | netdaemon | i should run an update to see if anything of mine breaks |
| 00:41.30 | netdaemon | runs sid also |
| 00:41.31 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 00:41.33 | netdaemon | fun stuff |
| 00:41.50 | kgoetz | <3 apt-listbugs |
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| 00:42.02 | netdaemon | i keep testing enabled |
| 00:42.14 | netdaemon | so i can *usually* roll my packages back to a working version |
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| 00:42.40 | Lewoco | mbroeker, 162 packages... |
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| 00:43.00 | kgoetz | experiments with popbugs |
| 00:43.27 | catzilla | what's the easiest way to automatically disable linux extensions for cifs? |
| 00:44.12 | kgoetz | linux doesnt do stuff with cifs. samba does |
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| 00:44.29 | catzilla | ? |
| 00:44.32 | Hailsematary | hi to all |
| 00:44.35 | catzilla | ok |
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| 00:44.42 | Hailsematary | I wanna ask a question about package signing |
| 00:44.43 | Hailsematary | anyone interested? |
| 00:44.53 | kgoetz | Hailsematary: perhaps #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 00:45.07 | Hailsematary | hmm thanx kgoetz |
| 00:45.12 | kgoetz | Hailsematary: np |
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| 00:45.15 | Hailsematary | and btw what does oftc mean? |
| 00:45.25 | kgoetz | dpkg: mentors |
| 00:45.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 00:45.28 | Maulkin | www.oftc.org |
| 00:45.31 | Maulkin | !oftc |
| 00:45.31 | dpkg | i guess oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 00:45.35 | kgoetz | Hailsematary: its the irc network |
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| 00:46.10 | Hailsematary | thanks kgoetz ;) |
| 00:46.17 | kgoetz | np |
| 00:46.21 | mbroeker | Lewoco, a few month ago i had big problems with libc6-i686. I removed the "accelerated" part and everything worked again. After rebooting, i reinstalled libc6-i686 and that worked too. |
| 00:46.33 | Hailsematary | I mean what is the long name of this abbreviation? =) |
| 00:46.39 | Hailsematary | I'm just curious about it =) |
| 00:47.00 | kgoetz | Hailsematary: ilook at the factoid Maulkin gavce you just after min |
| 00:47.02 | kgoetz | *mine |
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| 00:47.28 | Hailsematary | oke thanks |
| 00:47.36 | Hailsematary | haha I see |
| 00:47.38 | Hailsematary | sorry |
| 00:47.42 | Hailsematary | I didn't see it ;) |
| 00:47.48 | kgoetz | :) |
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| 00:48.33 | Lewoco | mbroeker, What do you mean by the 'accelerated part'? |
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| 00:49.48 | mbroeker | Lewoco, libc6-i686 is a special addon to the std-libc. It uses optimizations for i686 processors like my amd sempron. I think, that you will have a similar package, maybe libc6-*** Ok? |
| 00:49.59 | Lewoco | mbroeker, Yes I do. |
| 00:50.15 | mbroeker | and it is safe to remove it temporarly |
| 00:50.23 | Unitux | !gmp |
| 00:50.23 | dpkg | No, you fuck-wit, it's gpm. |
| 00:50.53 | kgoetz | lol |
| 00:50.57 | amphi | haha |
| 00:51.11 | Lewoco | mbroeker, Ok, I purged it and am rebooting. |
| 00:51.24 | Unitux | !gpm |
| 00:51.24 | dpkg | i guess gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 00:51.54 | Unitux | nope, wrong one |
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| 00:52.10 | kgoetz | Unitux: what are you after? |
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| 00:52.22 | amphi | Unitux: gdm? ;) |
| 00:52.31 | Lewoco | mbroeker, Nope, I still get segfaults. |
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| 00:52.56 | mbroeker | can you paste a segfaulting application and paste it ? |
| 00:53.02 | mbroeker | Lewoco, ^^ |
| 00:53.09 | craigevil | shouldnt that read the other way around? gpm is so you have mouse without X |
| 00:53.33 | mbroeker | Lewoco, can you strace a segfaulting app and paste it to rafb.net for example. |
| 00:53.36 | Unitux | found it.. its GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library |
| 00:53.43 | Unitux | so its GMP |
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| 00:56.23 | Lewoco | mbroeker, http://rafb.net/p/NfdLHI21.html |
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| 00:57.00 | Lewoco | mbroeker, I've been having trouble with sudo. There's the log for 'strace sudo true &> /tmp/sudo.log'. |
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| 00:57.44 | mbroeker | Lewoco, ls -al /usr/bin/sudo |
| 00:57.59 | mbroeker | it must be: -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 107004 19. Feb 03:21 /usr/bin/sudo |
| 00:58.12 | kgoetz | sounds simliar to the glibc issue that broke ubuntu a few weeks back |
| 00:59.20 | Lewoco | mbroeker, Yes the permissions are identical. |
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| 01:00.11 | Lewoco | mbroeker, The size of my sudo is 109372 which is a little bigger than yours. |
| 01:00.24 | Lewoco | mbroeker, Not sure if that's a problem... |
| 01:00.31 | mbroeker | Lewoco, sorry: strace must be setuid root to strace sudo :) |
| 01:00.46 | mbroeker | so strace a process which doesn't require root privs |
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| 01:05.31 | mbroeker | the size doesn't really matter. I am using lenny. |
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| 01:07.26 | spyroboy | Uhmmm.. |
| 01:07.43 | spyroboy | Don't ask, but how can I restore my /etc/groups file if it gets removed by accident? |
| 01:08.07 | zinx | if you mean /etc/group, use /etc/group- |
| 01:08.11 | spyroboy | (I used gnome's user/group manager, and for some reason, it cleared the ENTIRE file.. /etc/groups- is also dead.) |
| 01:08.16 | mbroeker | debian has an update in /var/lib/some/where i think lemme check |
| 01:08.25 | zinx | you're in trouble if both group and group- are gone |
| 01:08.27 | spyroboy | that thing changed both. |
| 01:08.29 | kgoetz | spyroboy: /var/backups/group.bak |
| 01:08.43 | spyroboy | phew kgoetz |
| 01:08.47 | spyroboy | thanks |
| 01:08.51 | spyroboy | saved my arse. |
| 01:08.57 | kgoetz | heh. np |
| 01:09.07 | mbroeker | yes it is there. |
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| 01:10.39 | spyroboy | that's the last time I'm using gui management.. |
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| 01:11.01 | kgoetz | gnomes user/group admin tool blows |
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| 01:11.13 | kgoetz | its buggy as fek |
| 01:11.22 | icesword | how could i know if was using lenny or unstable? |
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| 01:11.36 | zinx | icesword: browse /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:11.39 | Lewoco | mbroeker, I can't find any other apps that segfault anymore except sudo. |
| 01:11.56 | mbroeker | Lewoco, so purge sudo |
| 01:12.17 | mbroeker | and try to install it again. |
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| 01:12.21 | icesword | yaaaa,i have unstable main contrib non-free,sid main contrib non-free,in ftp.us.debian.org/80 |
| 01:12.34 | zinx | icesword: that's unstable (sid) |
| 01:12.49 | jim | icesword: and you're thinking that's something you'd be able to handle by yourself? |
| 01:12.50 | icesword | yaaaa,okay |
| 01:13.00 | icesword | jim, ?mean what |
| 01:13.12 | jim | unstable == hard. |
| 01:13.24 | jim | unstable == bugs YOU might have to FIX. |
| 01:13.36 | jim | can you handle that? |
| 01:13.39 | Hoxzer | Unstable is a good way to fuck your brains |
| 01:13.39 | kgoetz | unstable == sudo breaking ;) |
| 01:13.44 | icesword | no,hard ,hehehe,i have many oses,one dies,i use another |
| 01:13.50 | Hoxzer | Constant bugs can make people crazy |
| 01:14.05 | Lewoco | mbroeker, I purged it and reinstalled it, but it still segfaults. |
| 01:14.25 | kgoetz | Lewoco: wait for it to get fixed |
| 01:14.27 | mbroeker | try ldd /usr/bin/sudo, Lewoco mine looks like this http://rafb.net/p/EnBBkj23.html |
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| 01:16.10 | jim | Lewoco: so you're asking questions here about unstable... I'm not being authoritative in any way, and I don't see a problem anyway... and, some problems that come up, you yourself might be the first one to see it... |
| 01:16.20 | icesword | jim, what release you use |
| 01:16.22 | jim | maybe someone can help with that, maybe not |
| 01:16.27 | jim | etch. |
| 01:16.32 | Lewoco | mbroeker, http://rafb.net/p/CLJoVr88.html |
| 01:16.52 | icesword | jim, as your desktop or server or something? |
| 01:17.01 | jim | as both in one machine. |
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| 01:17.36 | jim | it's a server, it's a desktop, it's storage, it's a dev machine, it burns cds, plays and records music. |
| 01:17.40 | jim | all at the same time. |
| 01:17.46 | mbroeker | Lewoco, 2 reasons: pam is broken or your libc+charset is broken. |
| 01:17.51 | jim | and it stays working, for years. |
| 01:18.18 | icesword | jim, i see,but it is sort of old.i mean the display effect,xorg is too old ,it is ugly |
| 01:18.23 | netdaemon | is is possible to make iceweasel open links in a new tab, rather than a new window? |
| 01:18.24 | zinx | mbroeker: he could also have gotten rooted |
| 01:18.31 | jim | icesword: so what? |
| 01:18.32 | Lewoco | mbroeker, Wow, how can you tell all that from the ldd? |
| 01:18.41 | jim | you can't use old software? |
| 01:18.55 | icesword | jim, nothing,if you like it,no one cares |
| 01:19.03 | mbroeker | i don't think that sudo itself is broken. the rest indicates libc or pam issues, Lewoco |
| 01:19.23 | jim | icesword: typically older software works better. |
| 01:19.24 | SerajewelKS | netdaemon: yes, it's in preferences |
| 01:19.40 | icesword | jim, yaaaaa |
| 01:19.41 | netdaemon | SerajewelKS, hrm...didn't see it, i'll look a bit closer |
| 01:19.43 | Lewoco | mbroeker, sendmail just segfaulted. |
| 01:19.54 | jim | icesword: it |
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| 01:19.57 | jim | err |
| 01:19.57 | netdaemon | SerajewelKS, i'm speaking from within the browser, not links from external applications |
| 01:20.02 | SerajewelKS | netdaemon: it's the first option on the tabs pane |
| 01:20.07 | mbroeker | so strace the sendmail stuff |
| 01:20.24 | netdaemon | SerajewelKS, thats already marked =\ |
| 01:21.00 | SerajewelKS | netdaemon: if it's javascript that explicitly requests a new window, rather than a link than target="_blank" then there's nothing you can do about that |
| 01:21.00 | jeffwheeler | If I want to plainly access an SSH (or AFP, I don't care) as a folder, is the best way to mount it through sshfs, or is there something more correct? FUSE seems gross to me, and I always feel like I'm cheating, and I should be using HAL or something. |
| 01:21.09 | icesword | jim, but wouldn' t you agree that etch----> lenny,is a big jump? |
| 01:21.10 | jim | icesword: it's more thoroughly tested, it works with other packages, most packages work together correctly (you're not waiting for some maint to upload something that he's not going to because he has some objection to what another maint is doing, etc etc... |
| 01:21.15 | jim | sure |
| 01:21.22 | jim | and my stuff still works better |
| 01:21.31 | icesword | yes |
| 01:21.41 | Lewoco | mbroeker, http://rafb.net/p/D91qal90.html |
| 01:21.42 | jim | I'm guessing you don't do much with basic unix |
| 01:21.52 | netdaemon | SerajewelKS, ah well, i'm just trying to get iceweasel to emulate what konqueror can do |
| 01:22.01 | icesword | linux s good,no need to reinstall,no worries of virus,no need to clean trash |
| 01:22.02 | SerajewelKS | netdaemon: there may be an addon for that |
| 01:22.03 | jeffwheeler | From Googling, all guides about my question use sshfs; yuck. |
| 01:22.04 | jim | I'll even guess you don't do anything with it |
| 01:22.21 | icesword | jim, what you mean |
| 01:22.29 | jim | I do, and in my experience basic unix does not change hardly at all |
| 01:22.42 | jeffwheeler | Oh, it looks like there might be mount_afp available; that'll be perfect. |
| 01:22.45 | icesword | jim, i am learning it |
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| 01:24.43 | StPatrick | Anyone here feel up to a serious Linux Challenge? |
| 01:24.46 | jeffwheeler | Err, nevermind; there's no package that provides mount_afp on Debian. |
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| 01:25.19 | StPatrick | Anyone? |
| 01:25.25 | beardy | !ask |
| 01:25.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 01:25.27 | beardy | !anyone |
| 01:25.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 01:25.30 | netdaemon | SerajewelKS, i think i found my answer i about:config |
| 01:25.52 | netdaemon | browser.link.open_newwindow.restriction: 0 |
| 01:25.55 | jim | icesword: I'm just saying it really doesn't matter... in fact the whole of x window system is and always has been a side point... there's no real connection between x and unix, or x clients and unix other than unix/linux runs it... |
| 01:25.56 | beardy | If it's not Debian or very kernel specific try ##linux. |
| 01:26.24 | icesword | jim, see,you are an expert |
| 01:26.24 | StPatrick | beardy, You know.. There's a reason Im asking if anyone wants to take on a challenge..... |
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| 01:26.34 | StPatrick | beardy, And now just asking my question. |
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| 01:26.45 | netdaemon | didn't work =( |
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| 01:26.52 | jim | StPatrick: sounds like you need some work done |
| 01:27.04 | beardy | If you pay, lets hear it. |
| 01:27.05 | sabooky | new to debian, matter of fact i just installed debian for the first time in virtual box (finished the install 5-10 min ago), quick question... aptitude or apt-get? what should i be looking at? |
| 01:27.07 | StPatrick | jim, I need a miracle :( |
| 01:27.19 | netdaemon | sabooky, aptitude is prefered |
| 01:27.30 | jim | how much of a miracle (as measured in dollars)? |
| 01:27.33 | beardy | sabooky: aptitude |
| 01:27.56 | sabooky | netdaemon: thanks, i was in the archlinux forums and they got in a debate over it. so came to the source :) |
| 01:28.25 | beardy | sabooky: Aptitude can be run both interactively with a text user interface, and be used as apt-get, as in 'aptitude install package' and so on. |
| 01:28.25 | jim | sabooky: originally apt-get was written to be a test of the apt libs |
| 01:28.39 | jim | but we demanded to try it |
| 01:28.44 | StPatrick | jim, The free kind.. you know.. The Serious freakin miracles.... |
| 01:28.53 | sabooky | so far, debian looks like a very solid distro.. like the feel of it so far. I'll have a much better idea next week though |
| 01:28.55 | StPatrick | jim, I need wireless working on my laptop, in Ubuntu |
| 01:28.57 | jim | oh, ok, thanks for the info |
| 01:29.14 | sabooky | thanks, will be back with more questions probably :) |
| 01:29.19 | mbroeker | Lewoco, i have tried to compare your results, but i am using the sendmail from postfix on my machine. So i cannot tell you which cmd segfaults in the strace. Try to find somebody who can give you this information. |
| 01:29.19 | beardy | StPatrick: I told you for your own good. Ah, and then, ask #ubuntu already. |
| 01:29.51 | StPatrick | beardy, Oh I am, Im in there, they reccomended I also Ask here. |
| 01:30.00 | beardy | StPatrick: Tell them to stop doing that. |
| 01:30.15 | c0ldfusion | lol |
| 01:30.24 | StPatrick | beardy, Dont worry, when I tell that channel how you guys treated me, no one will want to come here. |
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| 01:30.35 | beardy | That's nice. |
| 01:30.37 | beardy | !customer |
| 01:30.37 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 01:30.41 | jim | they did? let them know we're aware of that, and ask them if they'd like us to send some folks to their channel to ask |
| 01:30.43 | c0ldfusion | lol |
| 01:30.47 | beardy | I don't believe him though. |
| 01:30.58 | icesword | lol |
| 01:31.00 | jim | let's go there and ask |
| 01:31.07 | beardy | Let's.. not. |
| 01:31.42 | mbroeker | Lewoco, but i tried this: sudo true >log.txt as root. You can compare that with yours |
| 01:31.46 | mbroeker | Lewoco, http://rafb.net/p/ociqvs98.html |
| 01:32.36 | beardy | You can't both have the cake and eat, and so on. I was even polite. |
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| 01:35.00 | icesword | c0ldfusion, lol |
| 01:35.55 | jim | beardy: I don't believe him either, now... when I asked, he replied saying the guy left |
| 01:36.02 | TCossuto | hey all, I have the debian w/ KDE version installed. I also have a GeForce 7300 GS. What would it take to install the proper drivers? Some things are blury, and the resiolution is poor. It's already at max settings in the control pannel. |
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| 01:38.53 | Zelta | where would I go for Debian GNU/Hurd? |
| 01:39.05 | kgoetz | Zelta: debian.org/ports |
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| 01:41.13 | charzero | How do I save settings in proc? e.g. echo "1" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 01:41.22 | TCossuto | anybody on the geforce drivers? |
| 01:41.25 | amphi | Zelta: see http://kerneltrap.org/node/15770 perhaps |
| 01:41.32 | amphi | charzero: /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 01:41.58 | charzero | amphi: Thanks. |
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| 01:42.56 | jeffwheeler | What are the standard permissions on /mnt? I think I might have screwed mine up. |
| 01:42.57 | DigitalKiwi | if ubuntu is debian then why is there ubuntu? |
| 01:43.04 | facedown | .. |
| 01:43.08 | facedown | lol. |
| 01:43.14 | jeffwheeler | DigitalKiwi: it isn't Debian; it's derived from Debian |
| 01:43.26 | kgoetz | jeffwheeler: root:root, 755 probably |
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| 01:43.34 | jeffwheeler | kgoetz: thanks |
| 01:43.39 | kgoetz | jeffwheeler: np |
| 01:43.56 | sabooky | aptitude search <pkg> how do i see what version those packages are? (more detailed output) |
| 01:44.41 | amphi | sabooky: aptitude show <pkg> |
| 01:44.54 | Xenguy | !rsnapshot |
| 01:45.09 | Xenguy | OK then |
| 01:45.59 | sabooky | amphi: thank you.. umm can you point me to a good aptitude guide, don't wanna bother this channel every few minutes, and don't wanna read through every option in the manpage if there's a shorter/"to the point" guide |
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| 01:47.04 | icesword | sabooky, /msg dpkg aptitude |
| 01:47.12 | enouf | sabooky: try aptitude-doc-en |
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| 01:47.45 | enouf | hrm, maybe refcard can help too |
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| 01:48.35 | peter_12 | I'm trying to set the hostname of my Etch box. I do "hostname foo.com" but that doesn't seem to affect /etc/hostname |
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| 01:49.44 | peter_12 | I'm trying to change the hostname of my Etch box. When I do "hostname foo.com" it doesn't change /etc/hostname |
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| 01:52.00 | liable | peter_12: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 01:52.55 | peter_12 | liable: what does that mean? |
| 01:53.34 | liable | peter_12: dpkg is the channel bot, it you type that in your client, it will tell you how to set your hostname properly. |
| 01:53.49 | peter_12 | dbkg hostname |
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| 01:53.56 | icesword | hehe |
| 01:54.01 | enouf | fail |
| 01:54.15 | peter_12 | ahh. got it |
| 01:54.21 | icesword | !hostname > peter_12 |
| 01:55.00 | liable | eh, does that actually work? |
| 01:55.13 | icesword | i am not sure |
| 01:56.48 | icesword | !huh > icesword |
| 01:57.33 | icesword | !hehe > icesword |
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| 01:57.36 | c0ldfusion | lol |
| 01:57.53 | icesword | it doesn't work,not |
| 01:57.56 | linux_user400354 | why is lvm service turned off by default if i use it? |
| 01:58.02 | linux_user400354 | i mean i have lvm |
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| 02:03.24 | linux_user400354 | on a debian etch machine, i am using lvm, but i checked the services running and the lvm service is disabled and not running. why is this? and when does it need to be ran? |
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| 02:04.05 | simonrvn | suggests reading the script to understand |
| 02:06.23 | facedown | How come I don't have alsactl ? |
| 02:06.31 | facedown | I downloaded all the alsa packages I saw in aptitude |
| 02:06.40 | facedown | the command alsactl doesnt get me anything |
| 02:06.53 | facedown | DOH.. i wasnt root |
| 02:06.59 | facedown | 1.0.13 |
| 02:07.45 | simonrvn | *cough* PATH env var *cough* |
| 02:07.47 | Tramp | hmm. dpkgs help says "Usage: listkeys <regex>", but I think it uses wildcard-matches, not regexps |
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| 02:08.04 | facedown | someone wanna help me get headphone jack to work with alsa? |
| 02:08.07 | facedown | my onboard/speakers work fine |
| 02:08.12 | facedown | again i have 1.0.13 |
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| 02:09.03 | simonrvn | Tramp: it does say that, though i haven't tried actual regexp, just globbing |
| 02:09.56 | Tramp | !listkeys .*beep.* |
| 02:09.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of '.*beep.*' by key returned no results. |
| 02:10.02 | Tramp | !listkeys *beep* |
| 02:10.03 | dpkg | Factoid search of '*beep*' by key (8): #debian beep ;; shell beep ;; beep ;; make ferret beep ;; _default beep ;; [beep] ;; _default shell beep ;; bios beep codes. |
| 02:10.54 | ferret | oh ffs |
| 02:11.00 | simonrvn | :/. too bad |
| 02:11.01 | Tramp | just a minor point in the help-function though. |
| 02:11.12 | simonrvn | @comfort ferret |
| 02:11.15 | ravenbird | There, there, ferret. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:11.19 | ferret | !confuse simonrvn |
| 02:11.19 | dpkg | Yes, what was our badger yesterday, simonrvn? shirts of the monarchy of swaziland with extra crabpaste |
| 02:11.28 | simonrvn | Tramp: thanks. could you file a report in the tracker at sf? |
| 02:11.37 | simonrvn | infobot |
| 02:11.45 | Tramp | sure. will do. |
| 02:11.45 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 02:11.57 | simonrvn | ferret: :) |
| 02:12.08 | ferret | I can't believe there's a factoid whose sole purpose is to make me beep. ._. |
| 02:12.13 | ferret | What did I ever do to deserve that? |
| 02:12.23 | simonrvn | shrugs |
| 02:12.30 | simonrvn | factinfo make ferret beep |
| 02:12.33 | simonrvn | !factinfo make ferret beep |
| 02:12.33 | dpkg | make ferret beep -- created by sussudio <suss@sussudio.registered> at Wed Jul 7 06:35:59 2004 (1368 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by resiak at Thu May 26 16:31:52 2005. |
| 02:12.47 | simonrvn | there's the culprit =) |
| 02:12.48 | ferret | Oh, it would be him. |
| 02:13.20 | simonrvn | wow, that was a while ago.... 4 years |
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| 02:13.48 | ferret | Yeah, I used to help out in here back then. ;p |
| 02:14.13 | simonrvn | remembers |
| 02:14.19 | ferret | I don't have root access to a box with debian on it any more though, so I tend not to say much in here any more. |
| 02:14.32 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 02:15.14 | ferret | My webserver, main shell, and backup shell are all debian though ;p |
| 02:15.21 | simonrvn | oh man, really bad eh, i just said IRL "you already upfuckingdated" |
| 02:15.33 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 02:21.19 | simonrvn | ferret: aaaand, debian's stability: "...22:20:48 up 50 days..." :) |
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| 02:24.12 | MrKeuner | hi, is there a way to see when a deb package was installed on the system? |
| 02:24.48 | enouf | dpkg.log |
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| 02:26.19 | noxcape | i'm wondering if debian is the right choice for me. I essentially want to have a file server. I'd like to run a ftpd on it, but also share network drives (with 2 windows machines) |
| 02:26.22 | MrKeuner | enouf: thank you |
| 02:26.45 | noxcape | i have fedora on it now, and almost have it completely set up except i cant access the files in the network drives thru ftp, i can open the folder (after mounted) but can't access |
| 02:27.24 | Snadder | Is there a way of automaticly identify to an ssh identity file when you log into an account trough ssh? |
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| 02:29.45 | MrKeuner | noxcape: that's not a distribution related problem, you can look into other ftp daemons if you do not want to swith from fedore |
| 02:30.16 | Ankman | morning |
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| 02:31.50 | MrKeuner | Snadder: you don't want to enter password? |
| 02:32.24 | enouf | MrKeuner: np ;-) |
| 02:33.34 | Snadder | MrKeuner, I want to enter a password.. but I want the two commands.. ssh-agent /bin/bash and ssh-add to be executed automaticly when I log in.. |
| 02:34.10 | Snadder | After I log in. |
| 02:34.35 | MrKeuner | Snadder: ah, then I cannot be of help, did you try #openssh ? |
| 02:34.44 | Snadder | no.. thanks. |
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| 02:47.08 | SerajewelKS | netdaemon: i think that just prevents javascript from opening windows, it doesn't make them into tabs |
| 02:47.33 | netdaemon | hm |
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| 02:51.06 | sabooky | I notice my debian install (lenny) has python 2.4, i looked at packages.debian.org and can't seem to find python 2.5 in there... am I missing something? (first time using debian) |
| 02:51.50 | sabooky | python 2.5 is kind of old, so either debian moves really slow, or I'm looking in the wrong place |
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| 02:53.18 | netdaemon | did you search for python2.5? |
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| 02:56.50 | sabooky | netdaemon: i searched: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 02:57.22 | sabooky | testing and unstable just change from -2 to -6 but still 2.4.4 |
| 02:57.31 | netdaemon | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/python2.5 |
| 02:57.38 | Orion_X11 | I have had problem for accessing some webpages like: http://compre.voegol.com.br/compre_brasil.asp and www.emtu.gov.br Why is this happening? I use to access them before. Could you try to access them? Is it a browser problem? |
| 02:58.53 | sabooky | netdaemon: oh. hmm.. thanks |
| 02:59.00 | Orion_X11 | a local computer problem or a server problem? |
| 02:59.41 | netdaemon | Orion_X11, i can't get to them either |
| 03:00.00 | vvd | Orion_X11: me neither ^^) |
| 03:00.04 | Orion_X11 | Have you tried them both? |
| 03:00.08 | netdaemon | yes |
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| 03:03.15 | Orion_X11 | Why is that some people who use windows can load them? Do you think that it is possible that they have put a blocker there against linux? |
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| 03:05.50 | zinx | Orion_X11: try faking your user-agent |
| 03:06.15 | Orion_X11 | How do I do it? |
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| 03:07.35 | rcbarnes | So I want to verify that an .iso wrote perfectly to disk. If I try to do a diff /dev/dvd file.iso (or md5sum /dev/dvd file.iso), I get read errors. What's a "right" way to do such a check? |
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| 03:08.26 | zinx | rcbarnes: dd if=/dev/dvd bs=2048 count=SizeOfFile.IsoDividedBy2048 | md5sum - |
| 03:09.01 | zinx | rcbarnes: if you don't like that.. well, blame DVD for being silly :P |
| 03:09.46 | noxcape | whats a good ftpd to use if i want to make available shared samba folders from the network |
| 03:10.15 | zinx | ftpd has nothing to do with samba fwiw |
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| 03:11.29 | rcbarnes | zinx: Hm. How would be the best way to compute the `SizeOfFile.IsoDividedBy2048'? |
| 03:11.36 | rcbarnes | something like du? |
| 03:11.46 | zinx | rcbarnes: use ls -l or such |
| 03:12.02 | zinx | rcbarnes: du may give the on-disk size rather than the file's size |
| 03:12.04 | rcbarnes | zinx: ls. silly me. I should have thought of that before su... |
| 03:12.10 | rcbarnes | yeah |
| 03:12.24 | sabooky | another aptitude question. aptitude install python2.5 is asking me for the debian cd.. how do i tell it to just download the packages? |
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| 03:14.05 | zinx | sabooky: remove the cdrom source from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:15.15 | efaistos_ | wheere can i check the level of the battery of a laptop ? what's the file to check ... |
| 03:16.36 | sabooky | zinx: thank you, that worked great. can you point me somewhere to get basic info like that bout debian |
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| 03:17.05 | sabooky | zinx: I'm planning to give debian a run for 1 week to see if I like it more then freebsd (to replace my server) |
| 03:17.28 | enouf | rcbarnes: growisofs has a wrvfy option |
| 03:17.54 | rcbarnes | enouf: Oh? I'm using wodim |
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| 03:18.25 | enouf | rcbarnes: yes, the flag is -use-the-force-luke=wrvfy |
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| 03:18.37 | enouf | one second |
| 03:18.39 | rcbarnes | enouf: ah, cool |
| 03:19.00 | rcbarnes | that's not in the man page... |
| 03:19.02 | rcbarnes | :-P |
| 03:19.02 | enouf | yep --> -use-the-force-luke=wrvfy |
| 03:19.20 | enouf | no it's not, no -use-the-force-luke options are listed, but mentioned |
| 03:19.32 | rcbarnes | enouf: how 'come they're not? |
| 03:19.46 | enouf | it's explained there ;-) |
| 03:19.52 | enouf | file a wishlist bug |
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| 03:21.16 | sabooky | can anyone point me to a good source of debian documenation? (basic things like setting up aptitude, and things like that) |
| 03:22.37 | ftp3 | hey.. you guys have any suggestions for an external sata raid array (~2T) that I can mount over the network? most of the ones i am finding want to use esata and I need to connect it to 6 computers |
| 03:22.44 | enouf | !grounding |
| 03:22.44 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 03:22.52 | enouf | sabooky: ^^^^ |
| 03:22.57 | rcbarnes | enouf: well, thanks for the info! I'm definitely writing a zsh wrapper function so I don't lose that option! |
| 03:23.19 | enouf | rcbarnes: google "use-the-force-luke growisofs" |
| 03:23.22 | sabooky | enouf: thank you |
| 03:23.31 | enouf | np |
| 03:23.34 | rcbarnes | enouf: thanks, I shall. |
| 03:23.38 | enouf | np |
| 03:24.07 | sabooky | enouf: wow the debian reference is HUGE.. perfect :) |
| 03:25.12 | extor | Who has third party firmware installed on their linksys router? I saw a video and the guy scared me..he said if I fuckup with the firmware..I can fry the router and void it's warranty |
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| 03:28.39 | enouf | rcbarnes: fwiw, there's also "isovfy" in the genisoimage pkg, man isovfy |
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| 03:29.19 | kenboo | what package has bsd make? |
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| 03:29.34 | enouf | rcbarnes: and then there's readcd, and readom |
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| 03:31.38 | kenboo | uh I remember now. it's pmake |
| 03:32.10 | sabooky | enouf: i notice in there it mentiones the apt howto.. is there an aptitude howto? (since that's what people here recommended) |
| 03:32.33 | enouf | (for those cases where the burns are already done, or to verify just an iso itself) |
| 03:33.03 | enouf | sabooky: well, i think i told you maybe try the "aptitude-doc-en" earlier then |
| 03:33.22 | sabooky | enouf: u did.. wasn't sure how to use that, installed it.. |
| 03:33.50 | enouf | sabooky: dpkg -L aptitude-doc-en | less |
| 03:34.01 | rcbarnes | enouf: does growisofs return an error code if verification fails (so I can do something like genisofs ... && rm image.iso)? |
| 03:34.05 | Rusty1 | extor: there's a few firmwares out there for wrt54 , http://openwrt.org/ for one, and yes you can brick your router - in any case it's not a debian related thing |
| 03:34.20 | sabooky | enouf: thanks. |
| 03:34.41 | enouf | rcbarnes: hrm, not sure |
| 03:34.52 | extor | So debian does not have a project for embedded devices? |
| 03:35.04 | enouf | rcbarnes: i'm sure it'll tell you if it fails |
| 03:35.22 | rcbarnes | Yeah, but the exit code is what helps me :-P |
| 03:35.50 | enouf | rcbarnes: do you know bash and c well? |
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| 03:36.37 | rcbarnes | enouf: Yeah. |
| 03:37.18 | enouf | rcbarnes: have at the source then perhaps ;-) http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/tools/growisofs.c |
| 03:38.09 | Rusty1 | http://www.emdebian.org/ extor there is , but not AFAIK specifically for wrt as such |
| 03:38.10 | enouf | rcbarnes: not sure how current or whatever that url is, so maybe grab the deb-src |
| 03:38.39 | enouf | there's dd-wrt out there |
| 03:39.20 | enouf | (not official i guess, .. i don't know) |
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| 03:40.15 | Perhaps_ | Hi, I'm trying to load the tun driver and have the /dev/net/tap device created at boot time, but I'm not sure how to do it.... ideas anyone? thanks. |
| 03:40.18 | extor | shhhh...all non debian topics are blasphemy |
| 03:40.19 | rcbarnes | enouf: thanks. I'll get to test my C-reading, now. |
| 03:41.24 | Perhaps_ | is there something special I need to put in /etc/modules to get /dev/net/tap created at boot time? |
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| 03:43.43 | Perhaps_ | no ideas :( |
| 03:45.51 | enouf | Perhaps_: i guess udev would create it, like every other /dev/ node |
| 03:45.51 | Lewoco | Perhaps_, Just dump the command in /etc/rc.local. |
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| 03:46.53 | enouf | Perhaps_: any needed modules (not already loaded) go into /etc/modules though, so yes |
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| 03:47.31 | enouf | (not already loaded automatically already) |
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| 03:47.52 | Perhaps_ | cool, i'll put tun in /etc/modules |
| 03:48.05 | Perhaps_ | but any ideas why /dev/net/tap doesn't get created |
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| 03:48.58 | Perhaps_ | when I load tun with modprobe I still need to mknod /dev/net/tap... is there any way to make that thing stay there after a reboot |
| 03:49.44 | enouf | Perhaps_: yes, mknod isn't used anymore, cd /dev/; sh ./MAKEDEV |
| 03:50.04 | enouf | or run udevtrigger --verbose perhaps too |
| 03:50.46 | Perhaps_ | cool, i'll give taht a shot |
| 03:51.17 | enouf | at worst, you might need to end up creating a udev rule for it |
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| 03:53.29 | Perhaps_ | putting mknod in rc.local seems easier :) |
| 03:53.35 | Perhaps_ | easier to understand for me anyway |
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| 03:54.53 | enouf | Perhaps_: the files that appear related would be /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and /etc/udev/persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 03:55.22 | enouf | but $ rgrep -l net /etc/udev/ to see all hits |
| 03:55.36 | Perhaps_ | cool, thanks |
| 03:57.10 | jim | is udev in etch? |
| 03:57.19 | liable | yes |
| 03:57.21 | enouf | sure jim |
| 03:57.48 | jim | so that's why it waits for /dev to be populated, etc |
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| 03:58.28 | enouf | sarge was both, depending |
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| 03:58.38 | enouf | jim: indeed |
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| 04:01.33 | enouf | jim: fwiw ; http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ |
| 04:01.58 | enouf | note 4. |
| 04:04.00 | jim | got it, thanks |
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| 04:14.18 | IanL | hey, all. I have an issue where Japanese input stops working randomly in gtk+ applications. Restarting the application seems to fix it, rightclicking on a text box and selecting the SCIM input method the problem goes away permanently but I can't do that for some applications like firefox. |
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| 04:16.02 | IanL | I run lenny and I tried getting it to use the SCIM immodule by default but it seems to not really work. Currently no matter what I do if I right click on a text box in a GTK application it always has "System" selected by default. Even if I set the GTK_IM_MODULE environment variable. |
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| 04:19.22 | cjzjm100 | How long does the debian spend to put out a new release? |
| 04:19.53 | jeffwheeler | Forever. |
| 04:20.17 | Zelta | It takes so long because the quality of each release is stupendous |
| 04:21.01 | WormFood | IanL, I have the same problem too. Firefox is not a GTK application, so it does not have the input method...does firefox quit accepting input too (I never had that problem before) |
| 04:21.02 | ArtVandalae | agreed |
| 04:21.38 | ArtVandalae | IanL, this doesn't solve the issue. But have you considered Epiphany, it (currently) uses Gecko (the web rendering engine Firefox uses) |
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| 04:22.29 | IanL | WormFood: yes |
| 04:22.34 | ArtVandalae | And it's the official GNOME web browser. But there's talk that it might be moving to Webkit in GNOME 2.24 or 2.26 |
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| 04:22.48 | IanL | WormFood: Firefox isn't a gnome application but it uses GTK |
| 04:23.15 | IanL | WormFood: I used to be able to set GTK_IM_MODULE to be able to change the input module for firefox |
| 04:23.21 | jeffwheeler | ArtVandalae: more than "talk" now; it's pretty much decided as far as I know. |
| 04:23.39 | ArtVandalae | jeffwheeler, great news then :) |
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| 04:23.55 | jeffwheeler | ArtVandalae: agreed; webkit is great. |
| 04:24.10 | WormFood | pidgin quits accepting input for me all the time, but like you said, change the input method to scim and the problem goes away |
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| 04:24.28 | IanL | yup, |
| 04:24.48 | IanL | It feels like it happens in some programs more than others. |
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| 04:25.22 | IanL | and sometimes it might take hours for it to happen other times I can't even type one character without changing the IM method to SCIM |
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| 04:26.43 | IanL | I have the same problem in Java applications and though they wouldn't have anything to do with gtk, it makes me think that it's an XIM issue. |
| 04:26.56 | WormFood | yeah, it seems pretty random...first time it happened to me I had been using it for hours with no problems...restarted my app, and it happens in 5 minutes |
| 04:27.01 | IanL | since by default gtk kind of does this xim-> scim thing |
| 04:27.17 | WormFood | it sure is frustrating tho, ain't it? |
| 04:27.22 | IanL | absolutely |
| 04:27.56 | WormFood | its bad enough when it quits working, but when you can't change it at all, it makes me feel like I'm running winblows |
| 04:28.03 | IanL | especially for apps that don't have that menu. |
| 04:28.07 | WormFood | right |
| 04:28.37 | Wyzard | Has anyone successfully used the ISC DHCP suite's "omshell" tool with dhcpd or dhclient? |
| 04:28.40 | IanL | I'm kind of curious what this "System" thing is in the input menu. |
| 04:28.46 | IanL | I don't remember it being there before. |
| 04:28.46 | Wyzard | I'm trying to figure out how to get dhclient to actually accept connections from omshell |
| 04:28.50 | WormFood | fortunately I haven't experienced that problem with firefox/icemonkey/whatever yet, but I'm sure because you said something, it will quit working every 10 minutes now |
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| 04:29.20 | IanL | And i used to be able to use GTK_IM_MODULE to change the default IM module but it doesn't seem to change from "System" |
| 04:29.21 | WormFood | hey icesword, how are you doing today? |
| 04:29.42 | WormFood | icesword, do you use scim? |
| 04:29.46 | icesword | WormFood, yaaa,heeh,i just had lunch,now i am full.lol |
| 04:29.56 | WormFood | I just got done eating lunch too ;) |
| 04:30.04 | icesword | WormFood, er,em,it is fcitx input method |
| 04:30.46 | IanL | where do you guys live? |
| 04:30.51 | WormFood | IanL, I just tried running pidgin after changinge the GTK_IM_MODULE, and it also does not change for me (stuck on 'system') |
| 04:31.00 | WormFood | icesword, and myself are in china |
| 04:31.01 | IanL | yah, |
| 04:31.09 | IanL | I don't know what that is, |
| 04:31.28 | WormFood | I'm in æ·±å³ ;) |
| 04:32.12 | IanL | Is that China? |
| 04:32.18 | WormFood | at least, I'm in æ·±å³ (shenzhen) right now, I was in å¹¿å· (guangzhou) a few days ago ;) |
| 04:32.25 | IanL | Ok cool, |
| 04:32.25 | icesword | WormFood, i know,æ¨æ¥è¯¢çIPï¼219.134.136.239 æ¥èªï¼å¹¿ä¸çæ·±å³å¸ æ¤æ°æ®ç±ip138æä¾ |
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| 04:32.53 | WormFood | icesword, I can only understand about 1/2 of that line ;) |
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| 04:33.34 | icesword | hehe,it means that ip you checked is from guang dong province ,shen zhen city |
| 04:34.02 | icesword | WormFood, you know baidu?baidu your ip there? |
| 04:34.18 | WormFood | yes, I know baidu |
| 04:34.24 | IanL | who doesn't? |
| 04:34.26 | IanL | ;) |
| 04:34.36 | WormFood | icesword, that is about all I can read of that line |
| 04:35.13 | WormFood | the scim faq does not seem to be of any help either |
| 04:35.21 | IanL | nods, |
| 04:35.35 | icesword | WormFood, what is wrong |
| 04:36.17 | IanL | I tried changing my /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/scim file to try and fix it but that didn't seem to work either. |
| 04:36.40 | WormFood | icesword, we can't seem to get scim to default to being the input module, it always defaults to "system", and some apps (firefox) do not let us change it |
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| 04:38.11 | icesword | i am not sure,i use fcitx which is only for chinese ipput.it auto lanch follow the system boot |
| 04:38.46 | cjzjm100 | i want to know how long i can receive the update support and i am using the stable release.What about the testing release and the unstable one? |
| 04:39.23 | WormFood | icesword, that is great for us, but it does not help IanL at all, because he is trying to input japanese |
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| 04:39.53 | icesword | ahhhhhh, |
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| 04:48.16 | WormFood | IanL, I don't know. I can't figure it out. I googled my ass off, and I still can't find any useful information :( |
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| 04:51.38 | jim | you now have no ass?! |
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| 04:52.05 | WormFood | correct...it ran away |
| 04:52.12 | WormFood | too much googling |
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| 04:54.19 | jim | cjzjm100: support is not provided like a warranty... ask, learn about stuff, get to not needing support... |
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| 04:56.22 | WormFood | I give up, I'll try to figure it out later |
| 04:56.32 | WormFood | this is too much like work |
| 04:58.24 | IanL | WormFood: the only thing I could really find was: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11040 |
| 04:58.41 | IanL | it does happen on my ubuntu machine as well, |
| 04:58.51 | IanL | for the record ;) |
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| 05:09.46 | hhMish_ | How do I install dpkg & apt-get back on system on which it was erased or never installed ? |
| 05:11.48 | azurite | interesting question |
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| 05:12.14 | azurite | would imagine you must install from source |
| 05:16.07 | debian2_6_24_1am | any ideas on madwifi atheros ar5007 googled around and not much hope |
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| 05:50.43 | hhMish_ | What is difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap ? |
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| 05:50.52 | cjzjm100 | are there any official update for 3.1 after the 4.0 released? |
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| 05:53.33 | hoxu | cjzjm100, security updates are made one year after newer stable release I think |
| 05:53.53 | hoxu | !release history |
| 05:53.53 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 05:54.31 | hoxu | cjzjm100, that'd make sarge unsupported starting this month |
| 05:54.45 | hoxu | cjzjm100, http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan |
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| 05:55.32 | Zelta | what comes after lenny? |
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| 05:56.10 | hhMish_ | maggy |
| 05:57.06 | hoxu | really? |
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| 06:00.47 | riverrun | what character was lenny? |
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| 06:02.07 | |seb| | how do regex w/ grep to find lines that START with a number?... grep -E "^\d" foo isn't working |
| 06:02.55 | hoxu | |seb|, '\d' is not understood by grep, that's a perl extension to regex |
| 06:03.16 | |seb| | it is? yikes...i've seen \d mentioned in lots of places..that bites sorry |
| 06:03.24 | hoxu | hmm |
| 06:03.57 | |seb| | hoxu: you are right |
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| 06:04.24 | |seb| | hoxu: http://www.ilovejackdaniels.com/cheat-sheets/regular-expressions-cheat-sheet/ <-- a cheat sheet that mentions \d errrrr |
| 06:04.38 | TCossuto | is p2p still active? Does debian support p2p? |
| 06:04.57 | |seb| | TCossuto: what do you mean? |
| 06:05.17 | |seb| | TCossuto: debian is an OS...p2p is something else |
| 06:05.43 | hoxu | |seb|, place your trust in "man 1 grep", it's right |
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| 06:06.06 | |seb| | hoxu: i believe you |
| 06:06.09 | cjzjm100 | hoxu,so i can get the security updates until next year,right? |
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| 06:06.29 | hoxu | cjzjm100, for what? |
| 06:06.32 | cjzjm100 | hoxu,so i can get the security updates until next year,right? |
| 06:06.46 | Lagbolt | hoxu, try grep "^[1234567890]" |
| 06:06.48 | streuner | riverrun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_story |
| 06:06.51 | hoxu | cjzjm100, repeating an ambiguous question won't make it less ambiguous |
| 06:06.59 | cjzjm100 | for 3.1 |
| 06:07.09 | hoxu | cjzjm100, no, /msg dpkg lifespan, and read it again |
| 06:07.40 | cjzjm100 | ok |
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| 06:08.46 | andrew[andrboot] | Hi; i seem to be having a problem with my debian box.. i have 1.5gb of ram in it ( reported in the bois) yet Debian is only picking up around 885.54MB.. I am running "sid" 100% uptodate.. any ideas? |
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| 06:09.34 | Lagbolt | andrew[andrboot], what kernel are you running? |
| 06:09.47 | andrew[andrboot] | 2.6.18-5-486 |
| 06:10.26 | adama_ | Hello, I added a hard drive and now Grub says Error 22. |
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| 06:10.40 | Lagbolt | 486? i dont know if that has mem support for more than 1MB |
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| 06:10.47 | andrew[andrboot] | hold on |
| 06:10.49 | andrew[andrboot] | lemme double check |
| 06:10.50 | andrew[andrboot] | lol |
| 06:10.51 | Lagbolt | might need to upgrade to 686 |
| 06:11.00 | andrew[andrboot] | frack yea it is a 486 |
| 06:11.00 | andrew[andrboot] | lol |
| 06:11.04 | andrew[andrboot] | pos install |
| 06:11.21 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 06:11.27 | andrew[andrboot] | soo @ Lagbolt how do i get the 686 kernel safely |
| 06:11.42 | Nyle | install it |
| 06:11.48 | Lagbolt | safely? what is your arch? do you have intel or amd |
| 06:11.59 | Lagbolt | cause i think they still have k7 back in 18 kern |
| 06:12.22 | Nyle | search linux-image|grep 686 |
| 06:12.32 | andrew[andrboot] | i have an amd 2500+ xp |
| 06:12.37 | TCossuto | hoxu: I mean is there a p2p client for debian? |
| 06:12.41 | Lagbolt | apt-get install linux-image-k7 |
| 06:12.50 | hoxu | TCossuto, that question does not make sense |
| 06:12.56 | andrew[andrboot] | okas :) doing now |
| 06:12.58 | hoxu | TCossuto, do you know what "P2P" stands for? |
| 06:12.58 | Nyle | TCossuto, many |
| 06:13.17 | Nyle | TCossuto, torrent, donkey, gnutella, DC |
| 06:13.29 | Nyle | blahblahblah you name it, we have it packaged |
| 06:13.44 | Nyle | !p2p |
| 06:13.44 | dpkg | methinks p2p is peer to peer. Power to the People |
| 06:13.52 | Lagbolt | andrew[andrboot], actually, does anyone know? i havent used 18 kern in forever. is mem support for 1-4GB on in that or do you have to install the smp kern? |
| 06:13.56 | Nyle | go check out zeropaid.com or something |
| 06:14.30 | andrew[andrboot] | im actually running etch not sid.. my brain wasn't worky |
| 06:14.47 | TCossuto | what in your opinion is the best |
| 06:14.48 | Lagbolt | i think the 24 kern is in etch now? |
| 06:14.58 | Lagbolt | andrew[andrboot], apt-cache search linux-image |
| 06:15.01 | andrew[andrboot] | ok |
| 06:15.01 | Lagbolt | see what is available |
| 06:15.22 | hoxu | TCossuto, best for what? I think you should read the wikipedia articles about P2P for starters :) |
| 06:15.37 | andrew[andrboot] | Lagbolt http://www.pb.udderweb.com/226 |
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| 06:15.54 | TCossuto | will do. Thanks alot!@ |
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| 06:17.06 | Lagbolt | andrew[andrboot], well k7 is your arch but not sure in 18 if higher mem is supported. try it , if not use the 686-bigmem |
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| 06:17.19 | andrew[andrboot] | okas |
| 06:17.19 | L7 | !do write -c clipboard on 1:TEXT:*:#: $(if ($nick == JunkYard) clipboard $!1- | msg # $!cb,) |
| 06:17.19 | dpkg | does write -c clipboard on 1:TEXT:*:#: $if ($nick == JunkYard) clipboard $!1- |
| 06:17.23 | kgoetz | why is it that http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/debian/main.html has bugs that were closed (_ moths ago ? |
| 06:17.23 | L7 | !do write -c clipboard on 1:TEXT:*:#: $(if ($nick == JunkYard) clipboard $!1- | msg # $!cb,) |
| 06:17.46 | Lagbolt | hmm no big mem is for 4-64GB of ram, just try k7 |
| 06:17.49 | andrew[andrboot] | Lagbolt will that automatically configure grub n stuff? |
| 06:18.01 | Lagbolt | yeah it sure will |
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| 06:18.08 | Nyle | postinst script takes care of it |
| 06:18.09 | andrew[andrboot] | okas :) |
| 06:18.17 | andrew[andrboot] | grabbing the kernel now |
| 06:18.19 | Lagbolt | you will see it configure grub in the output |
| 06:18.40 | Nyle | i can't sleep |
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| 06:19.12 | Lagbolt | Nyle, why not? |
| 06:19.12 | L7 | sdfdffsdfsdffdsf |
| 06:19.13 | Nyle | !sleep |
| 06:19.14 | dpkg | sleep is, like, For wimpy organic beings. Or, sleep is probably a poor substitute for coffee or for mortals or for the weak or the glory of the cowards and the un-caffeinateds. :-) or the activity of choice for the intelligent person or time which could be spent hacking the planet.. or .. whatever .. ZZzzzz ... fsck: warning: /dev/brain has gone countless hours without being checked. Check forced. zZZzzzz... *zonk* |
| 06:19.14 | L7 | sdfdffsdfsdffdsf |
| 06:19.21 | Lagbolt | i cant sleep but i slept all day lol |
| 06:20.02 | Nyle | !nickometer L7 |
| 06:20.03 | dpkg | 'L7' is 15.000% lame, nyle |
| 06:20.08 | Nyle | hah |
| 06:20.15 | Nyle | lamer |
| 06:20.22 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 06:21.34 | andrew[andrboot] | oaks Lagbolt gonna reboot it now see what breaks :) bl |
| 06:21.35 | andrew[andrboot] | *bbs |
| 06:21.42 | Lagbolt | nothing will |
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| 06:23.49 | Nyle | !nickometer Lagbolt |
| 06:23.50 | dpkg | 'Lagbolt' is 0.000% lame, nyle |
| 06:24.11 | Nyle | !nickometer dpkg |
| 06:24.12 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, nyle |
| 06:24.13 | Lagbolt | lol Nyle |
| 06:24.28 | Nyle | im freakin bored, can't sleep, and im not intoxicated |
| 06:24.31 | Lagbolt | !nickometer b52 |
| 06:24.33 | dpkg | 'b52' is 22.000% lame, lagbolt |
| 06:24.42 | TCossuto | also, is my geforce 7200gs supported by KDE/debian? |
| 06:24.43 | Lagbolt | hmm i would like to see the code for nickometer |
| 06:24.55 | Nyle | yes |
| 06:25.09 | Nyle | nv for oss drivers and nvidia for 3d |
| 06:25.27 | jim | !nickometer 22.000%lame |
| 06:25.29 | Nyle | oss == 2d only, no twinview, some bugs |
| 06:25.29 | dpkg | '22.000%lame' is 98.300% lame, jim |
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| 06:25.40 | jim | wow :) |
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| 06:26.06 | TCossuto | is that standard, or do I need to install nv/nvidia? |
| 06:26.28 | jim | you would need to install the driver |
| 06:26.31 | Nyle | !nvidia |
| 06:26.31 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 06:26.38 | Nyle | !nv |
| 06:26.38 | dpkg | nv is, like, the X4's free video-driver for cards from nVidia (Like the TNT2 or gForce), the cursed (non-free) one is nvidia, or nv does not support 3D acceleration with DRI and/or GLX, or however nvidia's drivers do that |
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| 06:26.49 | andrew[andrboot] | Lagbolt thank you very much for your help :) |
| 06:26.53 | andrew[andrboot] | worked like a charm |
| 06:26.58 | Lagbolt | no prob andrew[andrboot] |
| 06:27.01 | Nyle | !nickometer andrew[andrboot] |
| 06:27.02 | dpkg | 'andrew[andrboot]' is 10.000% lame, nyle |
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| 06:29.43 | Lagbolt | hmm i cant recall . .. anyone know what i have to disable in order to disable sonics silicon (ssb module) in kern |
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| 06:39.51 | TCossuto | how do I install wine? Is there a package for it? |
| 06:40.03 | TCossuto | !wine |
| 06:40.03 | dpkg | it has been said that wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 06:40.15 | TCossuto | sweet |
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| 06:40.31 | TCossuto | !suckmycock |
| 06:40.36 | TCossuto | !please |
| 06:40.36 | dpkg | Do I look like an information bitch, tcossuto? |
| 06:40.38 | Hoxzer | :) I'm personally using on compiled from gitt. Debs are sometimes late |
| 06:40.54 | Hoxzer | *git |
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| 06:43.58 | TCossuto | !gopher |
| 06:43.58 | dpkg | i heard gopher is a distributed document search and retrieval protocal or rfc 1436 |
| 06:44.07 | SerajewelKS | !tell TCossuto about msg the bot |
| 06:45.12 | TCossuto | like the backroom of a strip club! |
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| 06:48.24 | SerajewelKS | uhm, sure |
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| 06:53.26 | xingu | hm, snow |
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| 07:19.35 | eps | why is filing a bug under debian so hard? |
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| 07:20.27 | Baloo | It's not. |
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| 07:20.33 | Baloo | Just install reportbut. |
| 07:20.36 | Baloo | reportbug |
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| 07:21.09 | eps | yes it is, the standard these days is a web form, not an email or some overly complicated joke of a command line client with no step by step instructions |
| 07:21.12 | jim | reportbutt! |
| 07:21.36 | eps | all I want to point out is that tkgate has an incorrectly located file, not land on the moon |
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| 07:22.03 | Baloo | eps: If you want lame Windows Error Reporting, you know where to find it. |
| 07:22.05 | jim | if you don't land, you'll be in space... |
| 07:23.12 | eps | Baloo, nice troll there |
| 07:23.12 | Baloo | Email isn't going away anytime soon, this web forum crap thing is a horrible fad. |
| 07:23.12 | eps | indeed, a fad for at least five or six years now |
| 07:23.12 | eps | should we label linux a fad also? |
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| 07:23.26 | Baloo | Takes a troll to know a troll, I guess. |
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| 07:23.53 | eps | oh I'm stunned with your wit |
| 07:24.11 | jim | live to troll! troll to live! |
| 07:24.21 | Baloo | BBSs were a fad, too, and that lasted about 15 years. |
| 07:24.52 | eps | so we can include world war 2 as a fad right? |
| 07:24.55 | jim | linux is a much more flexible useful fad |
| 07:25.13 | jim | that may be a fad... but all of this is fud |
| 07:25.34 | eps | guess that is why people avoid debian, all the trolls and all |
| 07:25.49 | jim | and then there's you here :) |
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| 07:25.59 | SerajewelKS | eps: the command line client is relatively easy to use, and so is the email interface |
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| 07:26.17 | SerajewelKS | eps: since you're on IRC i assume you're of the intelligence required to use said mechanisms |
| 07:26.23 | xingu | "patches welcome" |
| 07:26.26 | Baloo | eps: You're the one trolling and I kind of regret falling for it. |
| 07:26.32 | eps | SerajewelKS, I'm doing an email now, just didn't want to leave my work and put in effort to file a simple bug |
| 07:26.55 | eps | Baloo, you started the trolling, I was pointing out what I consider a serious flaw |
| 07:27.01 | Baloo | Give me a break, email is real lowest common denominator and has been for 40 years. |
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| 07:27.11 | eps | Baloo, I thought web was the fad? |
| 07:27.14 | SerajewelKS | eps: it sounds more like you are whining to me |
| 07:27.17 | xingu | _40_ ? |
| 07:27.22 | Baloo | If you can't handle email, something is severely wrong with you. |
| 07:27.52 | eps | SerajewelKS, of course I am, this is a lot of effort to say a file is in the wrong place, compared to say the 1 minute it takes to file a bug under gnome or wine or others |
| 07:27.52 | Baloo | xingu: In the arpa/internet world, yes, xingu, 40. |
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| 07:28.05 | engla | debian itself loves email, which is noticable from how everything works (bugs, notifications). I like it more and more.. |
| 07:28.10 | jim | eps: a simple, short, polite conversation with the maint before filing a bug -might- be welcomed by said maint in place of filing a bug where it's unnecessary |
| 07:28.16 | cvn | hi i'm trying to install debian on the server, but i got this error in the logfile: http://pastebin.com/d1a9c24ea how can i solve it? |
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| 07:28.47 | xingu | Baloo: if you claimed 30, I might believe it |
| 07:28.56 | cvn | oops, wrong question |
| 07:28.58 | eps | jim, the bug page is maintained by the debian qa team, my assumption is that is a big group so it would be easier just to file a bug against the app |
| 07:29.02 | SerajewelKS | eps: personally i don't find sending emails all that difficult, but ok |
| 07:29.08 | eps | should I be posting this to the qa group instead? |
| 07:29.16 | Baloo | xingu: Email's been around since the late 60s... |
| 07:29.23 | cvn | i'm trying to install VNCserver on the debian server, but i got this error which doesnt allow me to run vncserver: http://pastebin.com/d1a9c24ea how can i solve it? |
| 07:29.27 | eps | SerajewelKS, you don't have 5 hours left to finish a microchip design :P |
| 07:29.40 | eps | (it is a nice distraction though!) |
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| 07:29.44 | jim | eps: hm, if it's owned by qa, that's special somehow... orphaned? |
| 07:29.47 | ArtVandalae | cvn, what command are you executing/ |
| 07:29.51 | SerajewelKS | eps: so file it later, we're not in a rush |
| 07:29.53 | cvn | "vncserver" |
| 07:29.54 | eps | jim, it may be |
| 07:29.58 | xingu | Baloo: the earliest one I can remember is sndmsg/readmail, and they were most definitely 70's |
| 07:30.03 | ArtVandalae | cvn, try: Xvnc :1 |
| 07:30.04 | eps | SerajewelKS, already started writing the email |
| 07:30.19 | SerajewelKS | gives up |
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| 07:30.44 | cvn | hmm more errors now, gotta paste on pastebin, 1 min |
| 07:30.58 | aleksanteri | "Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/z/zoo/zoo_2.10-20_i386.deb 404 Not Found" not promising :/ |
| 07:31.15 | cvn | ArtVandalae , http://pastebin.com/d237dc2b7 |
| 07:31.15 | Baloo | xingu: AT&T unix had mail facilities dating back to 1968, IIRC. |
| 07:31.30 | jim | zoos mostly has lotsa animals anyway |
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| 07:31.59 | jim | aleksanteri: try aptitude update |
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| 07:32.03 | Baloo | Wow, didn't realize there were many zoo archives floating around. |
| 07:32.05 | xingu | Baloo: if you can find me either a cite for ray tomlinson pre 1970 or anyone else predating _his_ work, I'll take it on spec |
| 07:32.06 | CalebRipley | cvn, maybe this helps you: http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1344 |
| 07:32.19 | ArtVandalae | cvn, I'm just wondering if Xvn relies on xorg (or at least parts of it) |
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| 07:32.35 | aleksanteri | jim, ah right, the repos are constantly changing on lenny.. forgot >.< |
| 07:32.51 | aleksanteri | slaps himself |
| 07:33.07 | Baloo | xingu: MIT on CTSS in 1961. http://www.multicians.org/thvv/mail-history.html |
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| 07:33.56 | eps | bug filed |
| 07:34.15 | xingu | Baloo: that's cheating, but ok. :) |
| 07:34.33 | jim | reply: "This is the QA team... how wouldja like to maintain a package?" |
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| 07:35.05 | Baloo | I don't think so... wherever implemented, email has been the de-facto standard for asyncrhonous messaging. |
| 07:35.49 | eps | jim, I use this app often enough I probably would, I believe there is another bug with BCD to 74210 converters, though that may be upstream |
| 07:36.01 | eps | but don't tell them that :P |
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| 07:37.26 | linux_user400354 | i tried to add a drive partition to an existing lvm and i dont see the extra space from it. http://rafb.net/p/eQ29id80.html |
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| 07:39.40 | cvn | ArtVandalae , what do u mean by that? |
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| 07:40.30 | Lagbolt | linux_user400354, did you expand it? |
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| 07:40.36 | Lagbolt | or just add the drive |
| 07:40.51 | Lagbolt | you have to add the drive , extend it and grow the fs |
| 07:41.14 | linux_user400354 | so i just need to use ext2online and grow the root filesystem now? |
| 07:41.21 | ArtVandalae | Xvn creates a "dummy" Xserver, that isn't linked to any physical keyboard/mouse/monitor. I'm guessing however, because it's an Xserver, that it still needs certain things, like fonts |
| 07:41.28 | ArtVandalae | sorry cvn, that was directed to you |
| 07:41.32 | Lagbolt | depends did you epand it after you added |
| 07:42.29 | Lagbolt | for example. . . pvcreate then vgextend and also did you use a logical volume? if so you have to lvextend or what ever |
| 07:42.37 | linux_user400354 | do you see my pastebin? |
| 07:43.11 | Lagbolt | no lol . . i was working |
| 07:43.12 | cvn | ArtVandalae , i looked at the server, there is no X11 font's.. how do i install the fonts? |
| 07:43.13 | Lagbolt | let me scroll up |
| 07:43.34 | Lagbolt | yup :) just grow the fs |
| 07:43.38 | linux_user400354 | http://rafb.net/p/eQ29id80.html |
| 07:44.02 | Lagbolt | might look and see that what you did worked tho |
| 07:44.07 | Lagbolt | lvdisplay or something |
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| 07:44.49 | Lagbolt | but looks like all you havent done is resize the filesystem |
| 07:44.54 | linux_user400354 | lvdsiplay http://rafb.net/p/e3LzoI90.html |
| 07:45.03 | linux_user400354 | okay, and i must do that from a live cd right? |
| 07:45.18 | linux_user400354 | because its the / partition |
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| 07:45.50 | linux_user400354 | nvm i think ext2online doesnt require umounting |
| 07:46.13 | Lagbolt | prob safer with live cd but if you dont have to unmount might be ok |
| 07:46.28 | mardi | hi, i'm having an issue getting wine 9.44.1 from backports. anyone have experience with this? |
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| 07:46.50 | linux_user400354 | whats the error? |
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| 07:47.00 | max_ | you guys, I've installed debian on my toshiba laptop, and I'm experiencing problems with the trackpad and more importantly the wireless networking |
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| 07:47.10 | Baloo | mardi: i'm sorry, could you be a little more vague? I almost understood what you're having trouble with. |
| 07:47.14 | Baloo | :o) |
| 07:47.27 | mardi | sorry, i'm trying not to write a book about it :p |
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| 07:47.43 | max_ | I'm here in my suse backup desktop, and I have acess to config files and stuff |
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| 07:48.15 | mardi | ok, when i try to install 9.44.1 it says: Depends: libwine (=0.9.44-1~bpo40+1) but 0.9.25-2.1 is to be installed" |
| 07:48.17 | XoX | how come when running /etc/init.d/squid start directly vs invoke-rc.d squid start , creates /var/spool/squid/swap.state with root.root ownership while with invoke it creates it with the right squid user.group ownership |
| 07:48.22 | linux_user400354 | max, did you try loading a windows driver with ndiswrapper? |
| 07:48.27 | max_ | but I can't seem to get my wireless adapter (ipw2200) working |
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| 07:49.10 | max_ | I could try that but there seems to be kernel module for my wireless card |
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| 07:49.21 | Baloo | mardi: Aaah. Blow away wine and libwine and anything that depends on either and then install wine again. |
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| 07:49.23 | mardi | when i turn off all the repos except back ports it complains that it's missing libwine-gphoto2 and libwine-print |
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| 07:49.25 | Lagbolt | max_, what is your wirelesscard? |
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| 07:49.48 | amphi | !tell max_ about ipw2200 |
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| 07:49.59 | linux_user400354 | max if its not supported at all, you could get a seperate usb network adapter. mine is small and around 10 dollars but that was a xmas special. |
| 07:50.37 | mardi | Baloo, right not nothing wine related is installed, same errors |
| 07:50.42 | amphi | max_: have you installed the firmware? |
| 07:51.29 | Baloo | mardi: Select the specific version to be installed in aptitude? |
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| 07:51.52 | Coke | Hi! How can I find out what version of ALSA is in the Debian testing 2.6.22 kernel? |
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| 07:52.13 | jim | get the debian testing 2.6.22 kernel source |
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| 07:52.44 | jim | find the alsa sources and look at one, or look at a readme in that dir |
| 07:52.46 | mardi | i'm using synaptic, i tried 'force version' and it didn't mark it to install |
| 07:52.52 | max_ | amphi, I didn't know about that |
| 07:52.57 | mardi | Baloo, i'm using synaptic, i tried 'force version' and it didn't mark it to install |
| 07:52.57 | Coke | jim: bleh. hoped there was some neet way to get around that. :) |
| 07:52.59 | Baloo | mardi: Of libwine? |
| 07:53.10 | mardi | Baloo, ooh ok, one tic |
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| 07:53.22 | jim | you gotta try the notneet way at least once in your life... |
| 07:53.49 | jim | who knows, maybe you'll build a kernel from thos sources anyway |
| 07:54.12 | Coke | jim: I like the stock kernel, just have a nasty bug in the ALSA ice1712 midi drivers |
| 07:54.13 | mardi | Baloo, ok, i forced version of libwine to 9.44.1, installing it now |
| 07:54.18 | jim | kill two birds with the download of one first-bird shooter |
| 07:54.35 | jim | have you researched it |
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| 07:55.04 | Coke | jim: can't find any readme's under sound |
| 07:55.33 | jim | hmm how would you know the version... |
| 07:55.36 | Coke | Ah, alsa 1.0.10 |
| 07:55.40 | Baloo | mardi: with wine dependencies, 9 out of 10 times it's libwine or something that stinks of libwine. |
| 07:55.42 | Coke | under documentation |
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| 07:56.06 | mardi | Baloo, ok, now it's letting me force version on wine too, thanks much! |
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| 07:56.17 | Baloo | np |
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| 07:56.41 | Baloo | Good luck with whatever program you're stuck emulating once you get wine upgraded. |
| 07:56.56 | mardi | WoW :p |
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| 07:58.07 | Baloo | Right now, the only things I use Wine for are the Half Life franchise (I've collected the whole set so far thanks to a half life anthology and the orange box)... |
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| 07:58.31 | Baloo | ...Auran Trainz, and the Grand Theft Auto franchise (at least the PC platform ones) |
| 07:58.39 | ArtVandalae | Do they all work? |
| 07:58.52 | Baloo | Umm, if they didn't, would I be playing them? |
| 07:59.30 | Baloo | Wine kicks ass. |
| 08:00.13 | Baloo | It's the ultimate answer to the "But I need Windows for x" whiners. |
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| 08:01.09 | riverrun | and if you *really* need windows for something, there's always VirtualBox ;) |
| 08:01.29 | Baloo | Yes, there is that. |
| 08:01.43 | mardi | winecfg works, now to transfer WoW over and see what happens! |
| 08:02.05 | Baloo | Speaking of which, what is the Virtualbox way of getting a virtual machine directly on the network like in vmware? |
| 08:02.07 | Dewi | Baloo: how's the direct3d in Wine? |
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| 08:02.34 | ArtVandalae | I've never had any luck with Wine. Nothing ever works. But I only occasionally use it, when I have that gaming itch to scratch, which isn't very often. |
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| 08:03.26 | Baloo | dewi: DX9 stuff works well enough...I mean, I am playing HL2 and Portal on an ancient machine with wine... |
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| 08:03.48 | Baloo | 1.7GHz with a 256MB nvidia FX5500 |
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| 08:05.15 | Baloo | Not a spectacular gaming rig by any standard, but it's running 22-40 frames at 640x480 and 18-25 at 1280x1024 |
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| 08:05.35 | Dewi | Baloo: yah but does it support all the effects etc? |
| 08:05.45 | Baloo | Dewi: Yes. |
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| 08:06.05 | Dewi | Baloo: is it a d3d reimplementation or the MS DLLs and vid drivers sort of hack-mounted ? |
| 08:06.14 | Baloo | Dewi: As far as I can tell. I've never played most of my games on Windows, so I wouldn't know the difference on the minor stuff. |
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| 08:06.23 | Baloo | Reimplementation. |
| 08:07.07 | Dewi | Baloo: not wanting to reboot for the occasional game or movie is the only reason I'm still running windows on all my machines with monitors |
| 08:07.27 | Baloo | Dewi: And the LORD said, "Screw that!" |
| 08:07.34 | Dewi | I tried vmware recently but the video performance (at least in the free Server edition) isn't up to scratch |
| 08:07.50 | Dewi | just dragging windows around was slow |
| 08:08.04 | Dewi | I think Workstation might be significantly better in that area though.. |
| 08:08.07 | Baloo | Yeah, VMware sucks. Virtualbox is where it's at if you need full Windows. |
| 08:08.31 | Baloo | Wine for DirectX, Virtualbox for whatever you can't work out in Wine... |
| 08:09.09 | XoX | virtualbox is zlow |
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| 08:09.21 | Baloo | The only thing I can think of for virtualbox is TiVo Desktop, and I'm not sure I understand how to set up a tap so the virtual machine can get on the LAN. |
| 08:09.42 | Baloo | XoX: Virtualbox blows the doors off VMWare, though. |
| 08:10.08 | Baloo | And Virtualbox has an open source edition, VMWare doesn't. |
| 08:10.33 | Baloo | Which is probably why Virtualbox and bochs are the Debian way, and not VMware. |
| 08:11.05 | Baloo | Though bochs is far from user friendly... |
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| 08:23.54 | icesword | WormFood, hiya |
| 08:24.15 | WormFood | hey icesword |
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| 08:24.32 | icesword | WormFood, so you are at work now? |
| 08:24.50 | WormFood | no, I don't have a job here yet...i'm looking for a job |
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| 08:25.35 | icesword | WormFood, yaaaa,not hard for your ability,but languaugeãããã |
| 08:26.05 | WormFood | yes, I'm finding that not speaking the language hurts me trying to find a job with my technical skills |
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| 08:26.39 | XoX | communicate with code |
| 08:26.48 | icesword | WormFood, åï¼ä¸å½äººå¤å |
| 08:26.54 | icesword | ahhhh,sorry |
| 08:27.11 | icesword | i mean there are so much people there,finding a job needs time |
| 08:27.29 | XoX | if true ;then $$$ -> me , else >/dev/null |
| 08:27.35 | WormFood | icesword, I understood all of that except 2 characters (the first and last ones) |
| 08:27.36 | XoX | something like that |
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| 08:27.44 | laurly | woot set up postfix email works on the server now :) this is to much fun. |
| 08:27.50 | icesword | hehehee |
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| 08:27.56 | XoX | cat /dev/zero |
| 08:29.04 | WormFood | XoX, it is hard to find a job in a foreign country when you don't speak the language....I can teach english, but I'd rather do computer stuff |
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| 08:29.26 | icesword | WormFood, first one means,sighs,last one is only a follow ,no meaning |
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| 08:30.25 | amphi | WormFood: living somewhere where you can't speak is no fun at all, IMHO |
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| 08:30.40 | WormFood | no fun at all? its a blast! |
| 08:31.14 | WormFood | lots of people here speak english...just not great english |
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| 08:31.37 | WormFood | we call it "chinglish" |
| 08:31.46 | icesword | hahahahha,lol |
| 08:31.52 | Baloo | WormFood: Heck, I speak English natively and I still butcher the language now and then. |
| 08:32.14 | Obligatory | System upgrade, the mobo's NIC, a Broadcom BCM4401 keeps flashing the LAN's switch. And the flashes don't show up in 'wireshark' . Odd... |
| 08:32.24 | icesword | it borrow words from others,and vocabulary is huge |
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| 08:32.35 | WormFood | indeed |
| 08:32.59 | Obligatory | Anybody use a Broadcom NIC? |
| 08:33.03 | Baloo | It also doesn't help that there is no fixed usage for words. |
| 08:33.04 | WormFood | I think english has more words from other languages, than any other language. |
| 08:33.11 | Baloo | You can verb damn near any noun. |
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| 08:33.18 | WormFood | look up the definition of the word "well" |
| 08:33.29 | zophy | hi |
| 08:33.39 | WormFood | many of my friends thinks "well" = "good", but that is only true as a state of being |
| 08:34.01 | WormFood | I'd say something, and they'd say "well", and I'm waiting for them to follow it up |
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| 08:34.29 | icesword | hehehe |
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| 08:34.44 | zophy | english might be the progenitor of all other languages |
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| 08:35.21 | cahoot | Obligatory: you stand a better chance if you put a real question |
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| 08:36.17 | Obligatory | cahoot, yeah well this NIC is doing something I've not seen. I'm not sure what to ask. |
| 08:36.37 | cahoot | too bad |
| 08:36.42 | zophy | ask for eternal life |
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| 08:37.01 | sysape | has anyone here ever used gift? |
| 08:37.12 | Obligatory | cahoot, offhand are you good with NIC hardware? |
| 08:37.13 | cahoot | probably |
| 08:37.18 | sysape | i cant get it to conenct to any of the networks |
| 08:37.32 | sysape | none of the network plugins will connect |
| 08:37.43 | cahoot | err - Obligatory not really |
| 08:37.46 | sysape | they all just say connecting, im running apollon as the frontend |
| 08:37.49 | Obligatory | cahoot, argh. |
| 08:38.07 | sysape | i never hvae got gift to work on linux or win, i must jsut be missing something |
| 08:38.27 | minidev | hi how can i show all installed packets via apt-get? |
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| 08:38.27 | minidev | something like apt-get -list > apt.txt |
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| 08:38.43 | sysape | and yes i read the config file and changed the trip setting to non zero (to make sure i read it) |
| 08:38.59 | xingu | can someone running a sid/lenny/etch kernel let me know what lsmod | grep rtc-cmos says ? |
| 08:39.23 | cahoot | minidev: dpkg -l | grep ^ii ? |
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| 08:40.06 | Cobra| | xingu: says nothing on etch |
| 08:40.09 | minidev | thanks =) |
| 08:40.15 | xingu | Cobra|: ta; and ... grep rtc_cmos ? |
| 08:40.55 | Cobra| | nothing, but grep rtc gives "rtc 12952 1 snd_rtctimer" |
| 08:41.39 | Obligatory | Details: the NIC is hooked to my LAN's switch. The switch has little lights which usually flash according to how much data is moving. A 'gkrellm' or other graph of 'eth0' matches that flashing normally. But this NIC flashes the switch about 10 times a second, without any apparent 'eth0' effects. |
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| 08:41.56 | xingu | Cobra|: thanks; this tells me that the (etch) kernel has legacy plus (new) platform driver enabled - which is an interesting state of affairs |
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| 08:42.41 | Obligatory | xingu, my 'sid' gets nothing for 'lsmod | grep rtc-cmos' |
| 08:42.58 | xingu | Obligatory: and likewise I bet for rtc_cmos |
| 08:43.05 | fabrice_ | hi, my debian does not start, it keeps stoping at various steps, could you please help me ? |
| 08:43.08 | xingu | Obligatory: cheers, again helpful, but that's probably me done. |
| 08:43.52 | Obligatory | fabrice_, stops while booting? |
| 08:44.03 | fabrice_ | Obligatory: exactly |
| 08:44.11 | fabrice_ | so i'm writing from suse |
| 08:44.32 | Obligatory | fabrice_, so does it get to the kernel messages, or does it stop before that? |
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| 08:45.51 | fabrice_ | Obligatory : it does a bit, but stops at various steps |
| 08:46.13 | Obligatory | fabrice_, stops as in pauses, or hangs completely? |
| 08:47.04 | fabrice_ | Obligatory: a pause that's not normal , like more than 15 minutes if i leave the pc alone |
| 08:47.33 | fabrice_ | last time it took me sthg like 15 times to start untill the desktop |
| 08:47.52 | Obligatory | fabrice_, interesting. Does the system boot OK from a typical bootCD, like knoppix, mepis, puppy, DSL, etc.? |
| 08:48.29 | cahoot | fabrice_: '15 starts' is that 15 reboots or what? |
| 08:48.40 | fabrice_ | i have not tried this before , but i guess so i had zenwalk on this pc with xfce and it did smoothly ;) |
| 08:49.54 | fabrice_ | cahoot: yes, when you wait more than 1/2 hour to start the pc , you then reboot ;) |
| 08:50.30 | cahoot | laptop? |
| 08:50.37 | Obligatory | fabrice_, what sort of hardware, i.e. CPU, memory, laptop....? |
| 08:50.51 | fabrice_ | when i reach the desktop (kde) it then runs smoothly, but the pb is to reach the desktop |
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| 08:51.41 | cahoot | fabrice_: reminds me of my HP laptop |
| 08:51.51 | fabrice_ | Obligatory: an amd athlon, memory i'm not sure exactly in fact, desktop pc, an old one i boosted with a bit of memory and a new hard disk |
| 08:52.12 | Obligatory | fabrice_, not overclocked? |
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| 08:52.22 | fabrice_ | let me look a bit, i'll give you the msgs i've got |
| 08:52.35 | xingu | Obligatory, Cobra|: fyi the (debian-current) state of affairs lead to a report of usb related suspend/resume failures in 2.6.25-rc7 |
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| 08:53.48 | fabrice_ | Obligatory: over what ? ;) nope , not overclocked at all, just the simple debian with kde install from scratch |
| 08:54.25 | fabrice_ | . loading cpufreq kernel modules , then it keeps there for ....way too long, can reach 1/2h or more |
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| 08:54.31 | Obligatory | fabrice_, OK, desktop or laptop? |
| 08:54.56 | Obligatory | Sorry you said desktop. |
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| 08:55.19 | fabrice_ | desktop / ppdev , same problem ; loading hald same problem |
| 08:55.33 | cahoot | fabrice_: could try to add acpi=off to the kernel line in grub |
| 08:56.12 | fabrice_ | what's the use of acpi ? |
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| 08:56.35 | cahoot | powersaving and such (for laptops mostly) |
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| 08:56.43 | fabrice_ | is acpi linked with cpufreq ? |
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| 08:57.22 | fabrice_ | it looks like there ain't no cpufreq kernel module loaded, is this ok ? |
| 08:57.31 | Obligatory | fabrice_, well if it helps, I've been running an Athlon for a while and it works OK -- but I do recall that it was balky before I installed some CPU cooler. And if the CPU cooler was misconfigured, it hung the system. |
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| 08:58.09 | fabrice_ | Obligatory: this pc makes a lot of noise, do you think it's too hot ? |
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| 08:58.39 | fabrice_ | Obligatory: what kind of cooler did you use ? |
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| 08:58.45 | Obligatory | fabrice_, dunno. What it's theremometer say? |
| 08:59.10 | Obligatory | fabrice_, re my cooler type, I'll look it up now... |
| 08:59.15 | _joey | when new distro comes out, how do you upgrade to a new distro? |
| 08:59.18 | fabrice_ | Obligatory: where is the thermometer when you can't load ? in the bios ? whats a normal temp ? |
| 09:00.11 | fabrice_ | what's that yvonne keeping coming and leaving the chan ? |
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| 09:00.30 | suppaman | hello |
| 09:00.34 | cahoot | a fickle woman? |
| 09:00.51 | fabrice_ | hi Yvonne :) |
| 09:00.59 | Obligatory | fabrice_, well yes, most BIOSes have temp readings. Normal depends on your CPU, which the BIOS shouldl also describe. |
| 09:01.12 | xingu | cahoot: acpi is kind-of intrinsically interwoven with bus, cpu, and memory topology/ enumeration now - as well as - handling smi errors (via EC) |
| 09:01.16 | fabrice_ | amd ahtlon xp i think |
| 09:01.26 | suppaman | I'm trying to build a module using m-a, it asks to install linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 but there's no such package even if I'm using exactly that kernel package |
| 09:01.42 | suppaman | any hint? |
| 09:01.45 | xingu | cahoot: it's not really optional on modern-ish (say post ich6 or so) hardware |
| 09:01.48 | fabrice_ | bye Yvonne ;) |
| 09:02.00 | Obligatory | fabrice_, that's a start, but you need to find out exactly what it is. |
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| 09:02.05 | cahoot | xingu: he says it's old hw |
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| 09:02.11 | Obligatory | (the CPU I mean) |
| 09:02.24 | xingu | cahoot: yep - not contradicting your troubleshooting, but just fyi |
| 09:02.29 | fabrice_ | how can i have the details , make it talk to me ;) |
| 09:02.45 | Obligatory | fabrice_, can you get into the BIOS setup? |
| 09:02.47 | cahoot | xingu: ok - my knowledge is scetchy at best ;) |
| 09:02.59 | fabrice_ | Obligatory: i can try i guess, yes |
| 09:03.24 | fabrice_ | i'll read what the bios says |
| 09:03.47 | Obligatory | Lotsa details there. (Too much) but just get the CPU type, and the temp if possible. |
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| 09:03.57 | fabrice_ | but how does it changes the cooler choice ? |
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| 09:04.07 | Obligatory | details first. |
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| 09:04.25 | fabrice_ | ok, i'll be back / thanks |
| 09:04.25 | xingu | cahoot: in fact there's some hardware out there (notioriously some athlon stuff) that'll cook itself quite happily if you don't kickstart the thermal overload bits, which happens after parsing the relevant aml and kicking the powernow bits. |
| 09:04.29 | suppaman | xingu: ich6? |
| 09:04.38 | xingu | suppaman: intel controller hub |
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| 09:05.04 | xingu | s/intel/io/ |
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| 09:05.33 | suppaman | is 6 release number? |
| 09:05.33 | cahoot | xingu: so acpi=off can be a very bad advice? |
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| 09:06.35 | xingu | cahoot: it can be yes; rule of thumb I'd use is - older than ich6 (say circa 2004-5)? then fine, valid troubleshooting step; otherwise, go hunting the newest bios image |
| 09:06.50 | Obligatory | Gotta run, bye all... |
| 09:06.50 | cahoot | xingu: ok - noted |
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| 09:07.37 | xingu | suppaman: generational number; it's where the intel pci design went after saturn/bx/mx/zx |
| 09:07.53 | xingu | suppaman: and in this wonderful post-ahci world, it's even almost clean - ish. |
| 09:08.03 | suppaman | saturn? |
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| 09:08.44 | suppaman | I've got an asus p2b it's an i440bx chipset |
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| 09:09.09 | suppaman | xingu: still running my debian system |
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| 09:09.29 | andriijas | what package do i find exportfs in? |
| 09:09.51 | xingu | suppaman: my first linux box was a saturn (82420 tx? hazy memory) chipset, bugs and all. |
| 09:09.53 | jim | !find exportfs |
| 09:10.00 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'exportfs' (4 of 14): (/usr/sbin/exportfs) in net/nfs-kernel-server ;; (/usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.24/kernel/fs/exportfs/exportfs.ko) in misc/user-mode-linux ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-486/kernel/fs/exportfs/exportfs.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/fs/exportfs/exportfs.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686. |
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| 09:10.32 | xingu | suppaman: back in the days when PCI cards still had jumper blocks to specify A|B|C|D interrupt, and another for edge or level triggered :) |
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| 09:10.57 | suppaman | xingu: don't they have it anymore?!? |
| 09:11.02 | suppaman | :-) |
| 09:11.15 | andriijas | jim: so it shouldnt be needed for nfs-user-server? |
| 09:11.40 | suppaman | I've recently dropped the ISA ethernet card in favor of a 5⬠pci |
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| 09:11.43 | xingu | actually I tell a lie, I had a 386sx25 board before that, no localbus nonsense, just pc-at |
| 09:11.58 | suppaman | xingu: well recently, say an year and half ago |
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| 09:12.18 | jim | andriijas: dunno |
| 09:12.52 | suppaman | xingu: what could be possibly wrong with my config? I can't find headers for my actual kernel |
| 09:12.53 | xingu | suppaman: take a tip, every time you get an order of magnitude more memory bus on the third iteration of a successful design, upgrade. :) |
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| 09:13.01 | suppaman | I'm on lenny/sid |
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| 09:13.24 | xingu | suppaman: that should leave you with a 6-7y upgrade cycle :) |
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| 09:13.59 | erlingre | do you think it is possible to boot Debian from a CD and keep /, /usr, etc on a USB2 hdd? I want to use a laptop with Debian, but avoid touching anything on the internal HD. |
| 09:14.09 | suppaman | xingu: I'm trying to upgrade just now, with this http://www.intel.com/products/motherboard/D201GLY2/index.htm |
| 09:14.19 | WormFood | erlingre, try knoppix |
| 09:14.24 | suppaman | erlingre: I think it is |
| 09:14.29 | WormFood | it is debian based |
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| 09:14.41 | suppaman | WormFood: why not Debian Live ? |
| 09:14.51 | xingu | suppaman: ok wrt your headers problem - "you'll get that" with lenny; sometimes your kernel just has no headers package... |
| 09:14.52 | suppaman | WormFood: I'm asking as I just downloaded it |
| 09:15.05 | suppaman | xingu: I'm thinking about going back to etch |
| 09:15.07 | WormFood | suppaman, I never tried debian live |
| 09:15.28 | suppaman | WormFood: well me neither, again that's why I asked why |
| 09:15.31 | erlingre | Knoppix / Debian live is ok, but I want something as close to a a disk (usb HD) based distro as possible |
| 09:15.44 | WormFood | also, knoppix isn't anal about not including packages because they don't like the license |
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| 09:16.03 | suppaman | lol |
| 09:16.22 | suppaman | erlingre: can't you just install it onto the usb hd ? |
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| 09:17.06 | suppaman | xingu: seen the intel link? |
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| 09:17.18 | erlingre | suppaman, probably, but I'm not sure if I'm able to boot from the usb hd, but If not, I can probably just create a bootable cd with the necessary files after the install |
| 09:17.26 | suppaman | I'm pretty much interested in a mini-itx system that has anyway plenty of power |
| 09:17.37 | xingu | suppaman: package seems to exist - http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686_2.6.22-6.lenny1_i386.deb |
| 09:17.54 | suppaman | erlingre: I see, or you could use a usb pen |
| 09:18.21 | erlingre | suppaman, yes |
| 09:18.23 | suppaman | xingu: I wonder why damn apt isn't finding it |
| 09:18.37 | WormFood | I have found that many machines, even newer ones, won't boot properly from usb...I have linux on a usb drive, but very few machines I've found will actually boot it |
| 09:18.48 | xingu | suppaman: not in the packages file yet? whatever, just grab and dpkg -i for now should be safe enough. |
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| 09:18.51 | suppaman | erlingre: I'm pretty sure you can, don't know how exactly as I've never much fiddled with rd and I think you'll need one |
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| 09:18.52 | dnanar | hi ! |
| 09:18.57 | dnanar | i have a small question please about vga mode/grub : actually on boot, when i say to grub to boot with the vga mode number 791 (vga=791) it boots the system with 1024*768. However my screen accept resolution 1680*1050/ Do you know if it is possible to say to grub to boot with this weird resolution please ? |
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| 09:19.33 | suppaman | I'm safe-upgrading everything now |
| 09:19.57 | ArtVanda1ae | hi guys, I'm installing etch. I've been prompted for what environments/systems I want to install. Where can I get an overview of what each of these packages installs. e.g. Desktop environment, Standard system, Printer server (duh), Web server (duh), etc |
| 09:20.23 | Lagbolt | desktop env is Gnome |
| 09:20.25 | xingu | dnanar: not afaik (there's no VESA mode number for it) |
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| 09:20.42 | Lagbolt | standard system is base sys needed to function, no X no desktop |
| 09:21.09 | jim | standard system is all of base, all of required, all of standard |
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| 09:21.30 | dnanar | xingu: erf ok |
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| 09:21.44 | jim | and usually standard system includes things like compilers |
| 09:21.55 | ArtVanda1ae | oh that's good to know |
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| 09:22.32 | jim | Yvonne is having a lot of problems staying connected |
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| 09:24.18 | Lagbolt | ArtVanda1ae, do you know where i could get some good linoleum lol |
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| 09:27.08 | WormFood | jim, Yvonne is only having problems staying connected due to their excess flooding |
| 09:27.19 | Rhie | hi.. |
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| 09:28.00 | BleSS | hi! is possible delete characters using hexadecimal notation? |
| 09:28.03 | BleSS | I've a text file that has been inserted with 0x00 after of each character |
| 09:28.08 | DirkGently | looks like she's attacking someone or being attacked |
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| 09:28.58 | Phil4 | what would cause this and how can I stop it as it's preventing me using apt: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=965 |
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| 09:29.21 | suppaman | BleSS: use tr |
| 09:29.47 | jim | Phil4 install a downloaded .deb of the same version you have |
| 09:29.53 | suppaman | BleSS: but that seems a 16bit encoding, you could just use iconv |
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| 09:29.57 | Phil4 | ok |
| 09:30.18 | suppaman | There are now 2 updates [-18]. |
| 09:30.23 | suppaman | There are now 0 updates [-2]. |
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| 09:30.32 | suppaman | what are those negative numbers? |
| 09:30.42 | suppaman | or better what do they mean? |
| 09:30.50 | suppaman | I've runs aptitude safe-upgrade twice in a row |
| 09:30.53 | suppaman | run* |
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| 09:31.00 | jim | what can cause that? very bad inconsistant state causers! |
| 09:31.54 | Phil4 | jim: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=966 |
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| 09:36.51 | suppaman | xingu: http://pastebin.com/m2da86cd5 |
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| 09:37.12 | zophy | i don;t want to use windows vista |
| 09:37.21 | suppaman | zophy: then don't |
| 09:37.52 | zophy | is there a opensource winxp ? |
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| 09:38.04 | suppaman | no |
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| 09:38.19 | suppaman | but you could workaround your needs |
| 09:38.25 | suppaman | zophy: there's reactos tho' |
| 09:38.48 | zophy | reactos ? |
| 09:38.57 | suppaman | you wrote it |
| 09:39.11 | zophy | sunds like a breakfast cereal |
| 09:39.11 | Mantaar | suppaman: no way someone who doesn't know about reactOS anyways would be able to cope with reactOS |
| 09:39.52 | suppaman | Mantaar: well even asking for opensource xp isn't that proof of wiseness |
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| 09:40.19 | Mantaar | zophy: the O and the S at the end are not pronounced as a suffix, but rather as two seperate letters. Then it sounds nicer ;-) |
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| 09:40.35 | Mantaar | suppaman: you don't need to be wise to operate a system. |
| 09:41.02 | xingu | suppaman: so you seem to need http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-headers-2.6.22-3_2.6.22-6.lenny1_i386.deb in addition - just follow this through iteratively |
| 09:41.03 | BleSS | suppaman: I tried with *tr -d $'\0'* but I get *Only one string may be given when deleting without squeezing repeats.* |
| 09:41.42 | zophy | r-eekt-oh-sis |
| 09:41.56 | zophy | ah i get it |
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| 09:42.10 | suppaman | BleSS: what is the $ for ? |
| 09:42.12 | zophy | like a disease |
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| 09:43.56 | BleSS | suppaman: to make bash change \0 to literal null. |
| 09:44.10 | suppaman | BleSS: you need to use octal codes |
| 09:44.34 | suppaman | no need to change anything |
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| 09:45.12 | fabrice_ | does someone know why my pc does not start ? system temp is 24°c and cpu temp between 37 and 48°c |
| 09:45.24 | fabrice_ | is this ok? |
| 09:45.28 | clone_ | I heard they sell debian computers at Walmart |
| 09:46.07 | icesword | fabrice_, hehee,okay |
| 09:46.24 | XoX | fabrice_: your computer does not like you |
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| 09:46.51 | fabrice_ | XoX: don't you think so :D |
| 09:46.55 | zophy | clone_, but bthey are all sold out |
| 09:47.07 | maligor | fabrice_, heh, does it post? |
| 09:47.23 | fabrice_ | maligor: post ? |
| 09:47.29 | maligor | fabrice_, the beep on system startup |
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| 09:47.40 | zophy | power on self test |
| 09:47.58 | fabrice_ | it never does beep |
| 09:48.11 | maligor | well, does it get to the bios? |
| 09:48.27 | zophy | plug it ibto the wall socket |
| 09:48.37 | fabrice_ | maligor: i got the temp from there ;) |
| 09:48.44 | maligor | oh, then it does post :P |
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| 09:48.48 | clone_ | I hate walmart, but this makes me like them, not to meantion, I went to brick and saw the cheapest recliner for $250, then went at bought from Walmart for $100 |
| 09:48.53 | maligor | if it crashes on loading the os, you should run memtest86 |
| 09:49.41 | maligor | cheapest usually is _cheap_ |
| 09:49.41 | fabrice_ | it stops at loading cpufreq kernel modules |
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| 09:50.03 | fabrice_ | or loading hald or ppedev |
| 09:50.12 | maligor | desktop is it? |
| 09:50.35 | fabrice_ | yes |
| 09:50.38 | yang | I am trying to configure GPRS over bluettoh, i keep getting wrong PIN error... |
| 09:50.58 | fabrice_ | i disabled acpi from bios, but nothing better after that |
| 09:51.00 | suppaman | zophy: aren't they amd geode pc ? |
| 09:51.03 | maligor | fabrice_, does it boot other os's? |
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| 09:51.30 | fabrice_ | maligor: single boot debian is ko , but single booting others is ok |
| 09:52.01 | suppaman | xingu: I'm getting No candidate version found for linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 |
| 09:52.10 | suppaman | and the .deb didn't install |
| 09:52.24 | maligor | fabrice_: if it can boot cdroms, and you have a burner available, I recommend burning a memtest86 iso and running it |
| 09:52.28 | sooooooooooooooo | how do i stop and close x-windows kde ? its too slow on my system, and want to run cmd mode only |
| 09:52.36 | maligor | fabrice_, faulty memory modules can cause issues like that |
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| 09:52.51 | maligor | and it's not very rare either |
| 09:52.53 | ArtVanda1ae | clone_, the reason it's so cheap is because it's made for $3, for $7 worth of materials... Walmart is evil :) |
| 09:52.54 | cahoot | sooooooooooooooo: try /msg dpkg nodm |
| 09:53.02 | fabrice_ | i know , but did not test yetn how long shall this test be ? |
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| 09:53.06 | suppaman | sooooooooooooooo: x-windows and kde are unrelated, probably you can just change your default runlevel |
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| 09:53.27 | maligor | fabrice_, it depends on the memory size and speed I guess |
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| 09:53.34 | clone_ | ArtVanda1ae, I know they are evil, thats for sure, they get everything for free, they are slave masters |
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| 09:53.38 | maligor | I've never timed it really |
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| 09:53.45 | fabrice_ | maligor: i'll try this |
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| 09:54.00 | suppaman | http://pastebin.com/m25bc0b0c |
| 09:54.23 | maligor | fabrice_, I expect you'd see the errors fairly quickly if the issues prevent you from booting |
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| 09:54.38 | fabrice_ | maligor : ok |
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| 09:54.49 | fabrice_ | thanks |
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| 09:56.12 | simonrvn | meh. flood join? |
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| 09:56.39 | simonrvn | ah, bots... |
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| 09:57.16 | yang | I am trying to configure GPRS over bluettoh, i keep getting wrong PIN error...hcid[4910]: pin_code_request (sba=00:02:C7:E5:FF:77, dba=00:18:C5:DD:24:AF) |
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| 09:57.35 | dimir | Morning! |
| 09:57.43 | WormFood | ugh! what is the dpkg command to find out what file belongs to a particular package? |
| 09:57.49 | XoX | how come when running /etc/init.d/squid start directly vs invoke-rc.d squid start , creates /var/spool/squid/swap.state with root.root ownership while with invoke it creates it with the right squid user.group ownership |
| 09:57.52 | kgoetz | makes sacrifice to apropriate deighty for bot destruction |
| 09:57.59 | cammoblammo | dpkg -S, IIRC |
| 09:58.02 | kgoetz | WormFood: dpkg -S |
| 09:58.05 | WormFood | thanks |
| 09:58.07 | cammoblammo | Or apt-file |
| 09:58.14 | kgoetz | dimir: :) |
| 09:58.40 | kgoetz | XoX: sounds like a bug |
| 09:58.52 | kgoetz | cammoblammo: apt-file isnt really a dpkg function 9its not even stock) |
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| 09:59.51 | cammoblammo | kgoetz: That's true, but I always feel like I'm going to break something if I use a dpkg command. |
| 10:00.33 | kgoetz | cammoblammo: curse, we arnt doig our job! you should feel like you'll reak everything ;) |
| 10:01.06 | cammoblammo | kgoetz: I get that feeling often... |
| 10:01.19 | sooooooooooooooo | ok, a samba question. i have /var/www/html, i want all users to be able to read and write there, but i want them to write as user apache, is this possible? if so how |
| 10:01.31 | XoX | kgoetz: it isn't a bug |
| 10:01.51 | simonrvn | no; use groups instead |
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| 10:02.13 | Phil4 | sooooooooooooooo, not unless they log in to samba as apache |
| 10:02.16 | Phil4 | but that'd be silly |
| 10:02.33 | Mantaar | sooooooooooooooo: hmm... I see several possibilities... run smbd as apache-user, or use crond or icrond. |
| 10:02.45 | Mantaar | I'd prefer icrond |
| 10:03.04 | kgoetz | sooooooooooooooo: why is writing as apache so important? |
| 10:04.24 | simonrvn | using a new group would be better... |
| 10:04.42 | laurly | sooooooooooooooo you want the files owned by apache still? |
| 10:04.50 | Phil4 | sooooooooooooooo, best bet would be to chown/chmod the dir apache-user:new-group/770 and add all users who need to SMB write to it to new-group |
| 10:06.25 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 10:06.59 | simonrvn | setgid the parent dir, so everything inherits the group |
| 10:07.21 | ma3x | hello, any idea why my wireless decreases in speed/performance until I switch to a new channel? |
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| 10:08.09 | kgoetz | ma3x: noisy channel? |
| 10:08.47 | ma3x | kgoetz, I use my cell phone to talk a little but when I hang up it's still slow |
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| 10:09.06 | ma3x | shouldn't it be fast again when there's no noise? |
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| 10:09.49 | kgoetz | ma3x: i doubt your phone is on the same channel/bandwidth as your wifi. |
| 10:10.04 | simonrvn | OT: http://i29.tinypic.com/10gidzr.jpg # priceless. hastalavista source code ;p |
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| 10:10.15 | kgoetz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.31 | ma3x | welll if not the phone, then there aren't many wireless networks around (only 4-5) which run on a different channel |
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| 10:15.21 | suppaman | I think I'm gonna reinstalling debian |
| 10:15.27 | suppaman | and keeping etch |
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| 10:16.30 | clone_ | man...I installed calcoo, but I can't even see the number or anything, the color are bad |
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| 10:21.44 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it neccessary to install a scanner if it is supported by xSane? Will it be available using Gimp when connected to the PC? (I'm considering buying a supported scanner you see) |
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| 10:21.50 | untitled | hi! Anyone using pure-ftpd here? |
| 10:22.01 | Jemt | untitled: Just ask the actual question :) |
| 10:22.15 | cder | just chaged /etc/network/interfaces to static when restarted got reconfiguring network interfaces SIOCDELERT no such process? |
| 10:22.16 | mazzanet | ok here's a curious one |
| 10:22.18 | untitled | I start it like that 'pure-ftpd -4 -A -B -M -e -U 022:022 -p 50000:51000' (anonymous only mode) but it doesn't allow logins |
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| 10:22.27 | mazzanet | i run lenny |
| 10:22.33 | cahoot | Jemt: what do you mean by 'install scanner' ? |
| 10:22.36 | mazzanet | and i need to install a single package from sid |
| 10:22.50 | Jemt | cahoot: Software install - like we do when installing printers using CUPS |
| 10:22.51 | clone_ | anyone use calcoo, I can't see anything, the colors of not right |
| 10:23.09 | Jemt | cahoot: Some sort of fiddling with software, modules, wizards or what ever :) |
| 10:23.22 | cahoot | Jemt: usb scanners are just picked up |
| 10:23.33 | Jemt | cahoot: Very nice - thank you :) |
| 10:23.40 | cahoot | Jemt: by Epson |
| 10:23.51 | untitled | mazzanet, in /etc/apt/atp.conf this string: APT::Default-Release testing; then apt-get update and apt-get -t sid install package |
| 10:23.53 | cahoot | err buy |
| 10:23.58 | untitled | mazzanet, somethig like that)) |
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| 10:24.11 | Jemt | cahoot: Ah, okay - made more sense :) |
| 10:24.27 | Jemt | cahoot: Thanks for the advise :) |
| 10:24.29 | embkas | I'd like to install new fonts in my debian etch - do ypu know about o nice howto= |
| 10:24.33 | mazzanet | untitled: cheers! |
| 10:24.38 | cahoot | Jemt: if you plan more advanced scanning take a look at Vuescan |
| 10:24.54 | Jemt | cahoot: I don't. I just need a scanner for images and documents :) |
| 10:24.55 | untitled | mazzanet, it's /etc/apt/apt.conf, not atp :D |
| 10:24.59 | mazzanet | :P |
| 10:24.59 | clone_ | I guess it has to do with my theme maybe cause I have same thing with my calendar |
| 10:25.36 | cahoot | Jemt: also one wants to be member of scanner group |
| 10:25.46 | cder | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:26.05 | Jemt | cahoot: Yes, good thing you mentioned it :) |
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| 10:30.45 | embkas | I have msttcorefonts, but I'm still looking for other fonts, in order to make same publications in Scribus as in MS Publisher. Do you know how to install additional fonts? |
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| 10:31.15 | mazzanet | untitled: i don't have an apt.conf |
| 10:31.20 | cahoot | how to install or where to get? |
| 10:31.41 | ArtVanda1ae | maybe sources.list? |
| 10:31.54 | untitled | mazzanet, create one |
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| 10:32.07 | mazzanet | ok. |
| 10:32.20 | cahoot | embkas: how to install or where to get? |
| 10:32.42 | kgoetz | embkas: theres a number of ways to install them |
| 10:32.53 | Deezire | You can write it your-self. |
| 10:33.11 | mazzanet | untitled: yay. ta |
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| 10:33.35 | liable | yikes |
| 10:33.35 | Deezire | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cAs1YBELmA |
| 10:33.46 | Deezire | Jesus chirst, best youtube video uploaded, ever. |
| 10:33.51 | Deezire | (nerdy) |
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| 10:34.38 | Lagbolt | Deezire, the math dude |
| 10:34.50 | embkas | cahoot: both - howto and where -haven't done it before, because I haven't missed any fonts - suddenly I do :-) |
| 10:35.10 | Lagbolt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx5KDyvlG3Q |
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| 10:36.08 | untitled | so, any pure-ftpd users? |
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| 10:37.49 | cahoot | embkas: ttf fonts can be placed in ~/.fonts or under /usr/share/fonts - fc-cache -fv should update the availability |
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| 10:38.39 | cahoot | embkas: I suppose google can help wrt free fonts |
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| 10:46.57 | mazzanet | how can i prevent a packaged from being installed, ever? |
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| 10:47.43 | streuner | !hold |
| 10:47.43 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
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| 10:47.53 | cder | if i do not set the hostname in /etc/hosts what may happen? |
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| 10:48.33 | cder | static ip configured ok along with /etc/resolv/conf |
| 10:48.37 | Ssam` | hey |
| 10:48.46 | Ssam` | i am unable to install anX window manager |
| 10:48.50 | Ssam` | any* |
| 10:49.01 | azeem | !ask |
| 10:49.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:49.07 | Ssam` | it says Xfce has unmet dependencies can anyone tell me what i am doing wrong |
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| 10:49.16 | azeem | Ssam`: which version of Debian? |
| 10:49.23 | Ssam` | 4.0 |
| 10:49.35 | cder | liable: how are things? |
| 10:49.37 | ma3x | does wireless use 1 or 2 antennas for data transfer to 1 client only? |
| 10:49.45 | azeem | Ssam`: put the full output of the command you're running on a pastebin |
| 10:49.48 | Ssam` | i apt-cache search X0rg it gives me a list of thing i installed xnest |
| 10:49.48 | azeem | !paste |
| 10:49.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 10:50.09 | azeem | Ssam`: xnest is not for running a primary X server |
| 10:50.10 | cder | o yes its sunday its a free for all day i see |
| 10:50.22 | azeem | Ssam`: any reason you didn't just install one of the desktop tasks? |
| 10:50.29 | Ssam` | which package should i downlaod |
| 10:50.43 | azeem | Ssam`: run "tasksel" as root |
| 10:50.59 | Ssam` | it didnt ask me to install a desktop task |
| 10:51.09 | azeem | it does |
| 10:51.14 | azeem | maybe you overlooked it |
| 10:51.17 | Ssam` | it didnt |
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| 10:51.21 | Ssam` | no seriously it didnt |
| 10:51.24 | Ssam` | or i would have |
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| 10:51.32 | azeem | Ssam`: dude, are you going to tell us how the installer works? |
| 10:51.40 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 10:51.42 | azeem | you installed via netinst, right? |
| 10:51.46 | Ssam` | yes |
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| 10:51.48 | mquin | ma3x: just the 1 - the base station flips operation to the antenna thats' recvieving the strongest signal |
| 10:51.56 | mquin | ma3x: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antenna_diversity |
| 10:51.57 | azeem | Ssam`: so stop argueing and run tasksel |
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| 10:52.22 | Ssam` | OKAY NOW WHAT |
| 10:52.25 | Ssam` | soz |
| 10:52.28 | Ssam` | about the caps |
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| 10:52.35 | azeem | select one of the desktop tasks |
| 10:52.37 | ma3x | mquin, is it better to set 1 antenna for tx and one for rx or both on one antenna? |
| 10:53.05 | Ssam` | therez 5 there printer DNS SQL Laptop Manually |
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| 10:53.21 | dutchfish | my wlan on my laptop let me connect but i can not authorize with WPA. (Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)) on debian lenny i386. How to install WPA driver? |
| 10:53.25 | azeem | what about "Desktop environment"? |
| 10:53.36 | Ssam` | nope |
| 10:53.39 | azeem | wtf |
| 10:53.44 | Ssam` | i could take a snapshot of it |
| 10:53.55 | azeem | Ssam`: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 10:54.17 | mquin | ma3x: if the unit can do diversity operation then that's the best option, so it can pick the best one depending on where the other station is |
| 10:54.37 | Ssam` | no packages found matching lubc6 |
| 10:54.44 | azeem | then don't typo it |
| 10:54.49 | manju29 | when i type #apt-get install dh_make its saying Package dh-make is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 10:54.50 | manju29 | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 10:54.50 | manju29 | is only available from another source |
| 10:54.50 | manju29 | E: Package dh-make has no installation candidate |
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| 10:55.54 | Ssam` | wow |
| 10:55.58 | Ssam` | thats a suggestion |
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| 10:56.10 | mazzanet | streuner: this particular package is a dependency for another package |
| 10:56.20 | mazzanet | streuner: and i want to prevent it being installed |
| 10:56.28 | Ssam` | so i dont have x installed? |
| 10:56.31 | azeem | Ssam`: I told you to to query for libc6, and you apparently queried for lubc6 |
| 10:56.49 | azeem | Ssam`: please start answering questions conclusively before asking new ones |
| 10:57.07 | Ssam` | ii libc6 |
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| 10:57.14 | azeem | that's not the whole line |
| 10:57.22 | Ssam` | hold on |
| 10:57.25 | embkas | I thought it was posible to open konquerror as superuser from within KDE - how do I do that |
| 10:57.33 | manju29 | when i run #apt-get install dh_make its saying no installation candidate...wat sources i shd add in my sources.list |
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| 10:57.49 | azeem | manju29: it's dh-make, not dh_make |
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| 10:58.12 | Ssam` | ii libc6 2.3.6.dsl-13etch5 GNU C librairy: Shared Libraries |
| 10:58.15 | azeem | ok |
| 10:58.27 | dutchfish | my wlan on my laptop let me connect but i can not authorize with WPA. (Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)) on debian lenny i386. How to install WPA driver? or does this card (802.1b) not support WPA? |
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| 10:58.54 | Mantaar | dutchfish: did you try to use wpa_supplicant? |
| 10:59.07 | manju29 | azeem, i tried dh-make also ....its displaying t same error |
| 10:59.08 | dante_2core | dutchfish, try wpa_supplicant |
| 10:59.09 | dante_2core | lawl |
| 10:59.11 | Ssam` | can you tell what i did wrong so i dont do it again |
| 10:59.12 | dante_2core | darn, too slow XD |
| 10:59.17 | dutchfish | Mantaar, you mean in wifi-radar driver option? |
| 10:59.25 | manju29 | i am using lenny |
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| 10:59.51 | dante_2core | dutchfish, no, wp_supplicant is a standalone program handling wpa encryptions, you can start it independantly and then connect to your network normally as if it was not encrypted |
| 11:00.03 | Mantaar | dutchfish: no. To use wifi in plain mode and WEP, you don't need an extra program. Put for WPA you need a supplicant. apt-get install wpa_uspplicant. |
| 11:00.06 | dante_2core | dutchfish, I use that on my notebook all the time, it works flawlessly |
| 11:00.45 | dutchfish | dante_2core, its not in the repo or did i mistype wpa_supplicant ... |
| 11:00.52 | dante_2core | dutchfish, read the manual pretty well before giving up, it's kinda complicated to start off with ;) but as soon as it works, it's a piece of cake |
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| 11:00.59 | dante_2core | dutchfish, wait, i'll look what it's called |
| 11:01.12 | dante_2core | dutchfish, wpasupplicant |
| 11:01.14 | dutchfish | dante_2core, thumbs up! thank you very much |
| 11:01.21 | Ssam` | or dont i gtg....ill be back in 6-8 hours |
| 11:01.22 | Ssam` | bye |
| 11:01.33 | dante_2core | dutchfish, no problem, if you get stuck configuring it, ask |
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| 11:01.46 | dutchfish | dante_2core, its already installed |
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| 11:02.12 | dante_2core | then you need to configure and run it, read its manpage, afaik that one's pretty good |
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| 11:02.41 | dante_2core | dutchfish, the command to run it is wpa_supplicant, even if the package's name is wpasupplicant, that might be worth knowing :D |
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| 11:04.05 | manju29 | I get t following error" Package fakeroot has no installation candidate" what does this error mean?? |
| 11:04.13 | rgr | Hi. My amarok installation has suddenly reported it can not talk to klauncher. What should I do to locate the problem? |
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| 11:05.05 | dutchfish | dante_2core, wpagui? |
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| 11:06.05 | dirk_ | Hi, can somebody help me building a package? I've downloaded mscore from svn, cd /mscore and svn up... |
| 11:06.09 | dustybin | why does fail2ban keep on restarting itself on my debian box? |
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| 11:07.18 | dustybin | dirk_: ./configure make make install |
| 11:07.36 | dirk_ | dustybin, I'd like to build a *.deb |
| 11:07.38 | znh | my laptop's screen disables itselfs (stripes and such) when tridentfb is loaded. Any method to prevent it loading? I tried blacking, rmmod and such, no effect. I'm pretty sure the screen is working normal and it's tridentfb |
| 11:07.56 | linux_user400354 | i have debian in lvm several partitions. / ran out of space. in order to add more space, i need to install ext2resize (if thats the package with ext2online) and increase the size of the logical volume from the partition i added. when i remove applications to make space, / is still at 100%. what can i do? |
| 11:09.00 | xingu | znh: possibly, fbcon=tridentfb:off as a boot arg |
| 11:09.08 | znh | xingu, i'll try that |
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| 11:09.31 | Lagbolt | linux_user400354, why not just use a live cd :) |
| 11:09.52 | linux_user400354 | because the logical volumes are encrypted. a live cd cant read them. |
| 11:09.57 | Lagbolt | ah gotcha |
| 11:10.20 | Lagbolt | well what is the space issue? no space left for var? how many partitions are u using? |
| 11:10.30 | Lagbolt | are u running debian? |
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| 11:10.57 | embkas | cahoot: tahnks for helping me out with fonts :-) |
| 11:11.11 | linux_user400354 | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 (etch) Release: 4.0 Codename: etch |
| 11:11.19 | Lagbolt | linux_user400354, you prob have a bunch of space being used by logs and apt cache |
| 11:11.24 | Lagbolt | linux_user400354, apt-get clean |
| 11:11.29 | Lagbolt | that might help |
| 11:11.33 | znh | xingu, still being loaded |
| 11:11.37 | dante_2core | dutchfish, I don't know wpagui |
| 11:11.43 | linux_user400354 | i have done that |
| 11:11.47 | Lagbolt | and in /var/log there are a lot of log files that are rotated .1 .2 .3 .4 .5 etc |
| 11:11.49 | dante_2core | dutchfish, but could be that it's useful - I'm more of a CLI guy anyway |
| 11:11.51 | Lagbolt | can delete old logs |
| 11:11.59 | dirk_ | I try to build a package (deb from svn), i did dh_make --createorig, now I've to choose single binary/ multiple binary/ library / kernel module or cdbs... |
| 11:12.11 | linux_user400354 | logs in var are in a separate place i think |
| 11:12.19 | dirk_ | what do I have to choose... I can use assistence |
| 11:12.37 | dutchfish | dante_2core, ok, can i manually setup the conf for wpa_supplicant i only found ifupdown.sh and functions.sh, where should it be located? |
| 11:12.57 | Lagbolt | well do you only have 1 kernel installed? if yo have some older kernels that you are not using uninstall and purge them |
| 11:13.05 | dante_2core | dutchfish, wait i'll look |
| 11:13.05 | Lagbolt | if you have any compiled src packages make clean them |
| 11:13.37 | Lagbolt | maybe there are some packages you can uninstall temporarrily and reinstall later like openoffice |
| 11:13.42 | YodaYoda | linux_user400354: Why not just install it to a different partition than / ? |
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| 11:14.04 | dante_2core | dutchfish, there's none around for me too, I wrote one and start wpa_supplicant explicitly with it now, wait a sec |
| 11:14.11 | manju29 | exit |
| 11:14.14 | dutchfish | dante_2core, i am connected through hostapd |
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| 11:14.26 | dante_2core | dutchfish, I don't know that :S |
| 11:14.44 | dutchfish | dante_2core, the link is physically up |
| 11:14.58 | dante_2core | dutchfish, you mean you are hardwired? :D |
| 11:15.09 | znh | how can I prevent tridentfb from being loaded? blacklisting does not effect it |
| 11:15.23 | dutchfish | dante_2core, no by air (iwconfig) it shows link status |
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| 11:15.45 | dirk_ | can somebody help me with the next step to build a package? http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 11:15.53 | dutchfish | dante_2core, but it wont give me ip by dhcp because no encryption |
| 11:16.19 | dante_2core | dutchfish, yes, that's normal. I just pastebinned my config: |
| 11:16.26 | dante_2core | pastebin.com/m22a78c2b |
| 11:16.27 | dutchfish | dante_2core, cool |
| 11:16.37 | dante_2core | oh wait |
| 11:16.44 | dante_2core | wrong number |
| 11:16.54 | dante_2core | pastebin.com/m22a89c2b |
| 11:17.30 | dante_2core | dutchfish, now you change that to your needs, save it somewhere and then do "wpa_supplicant -c/path/to/config" |
| 11:17.51 | dante_2core | dutchfish, you may need to add some options for driver etc to the config too, read the manpage for that |
| 11:18.10 | dutchfish | dante_2core, ist it /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf ? |
| 11:18.43 | dante_2core | dutchfish, can be, the standard is said in the manpage, but it doesn't really depend |
| 11:18.56 | dutchfish | dante_2core, ok ill try |
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| 11:19.00 | dante_2core | if you place it elsewhere you can just start wpa_supplicant with the -c option |
| 11:19.03 | dante_2core | k, good luck |
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| 11:22.17 | dirk_ | can somebody help me with the next step to build a package? http://paste.debian.net/ |
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| 11:23.30 | dante_2core | znh, that's a module, right? |
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| 11:24.08 | dante_2core | dirk_, no, sorry, no idea about that myself |
| 11:24.29 | dirk_ | dante_2core, ok, thanks anyway |
| 11:24.36 | dirk_ | someone else? |
| 11:24.39 | dante_2core | dirk_, are you following some kind of howto? |
| 11:25.06 | dirk_ | not really one, but I try to learn from how other did it... |
| 11:25.15 | dante_2core | (and dirk_, your link to pastebin does not show anything) |
| 11:25.24 | dante_2core | it's just a link to the main page, what entry do you mean? |
| 11:25.56 | dirk_ | http://paste.debian.net/144 ah sorry |
| 11:26.05 | dutchfish | dante_2core, maybe i misunderstood but wpa_supplicant -c/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf gives me helpmenu ... |
| 11:26.31 | dante_2core | dutchfish, what helpmenu? |
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| 11:26.41 | dutchfish | dante_2core, of wpa_supplicant |
| 11:26.59 | dante_2core | hmn then add a space between -c and the config file name |
| 11:27.00 | dutchfish | dante_2core, do i need to give more params? |
| 11:27.05 | dante_2core | they changed syntax as it looks |
| 11:27.19 | dutchfish | dante_2core, no thats not it |
| 11:27.21 | dante_2core | dutchfish, paste the config, i'll tell you what you need to add as parameters |
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| 11:27.33 | dante_2core | (you don't need to put the password in :P |
| 11:28.07 | dutchfish | dante_2core, its not that either, but how dus this wpa_supplicant knows wich interface i am trying to config? |
| 11:28.11 | dante_2core | dirk_, looks like you need to go into debian/ now and see what's there |
| 11:28.33 | dante_2core | dutchfish, that's what I meant: you can place all those things in the config, but if you don't, you need to specify them when starting it |
| 11:28.49 | dutchfish | dante_2core, ah |
| 11:29.08 | dante_2core | dutchfish, i.e. my startup is: "wpa_supplicant -Dwext -ieth2 -c/configpath -B" |
| 11:29.54 | dutchfish | dante_2core, iwconfig shows 2 interfaces up eth1 and wlan0_rename wich one? |
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| 11:30.14 | dante_2core | dutchfish, try eth1, if it doesn't work try wlan0_rename, but i'd say it's eth1 |
| 11:30.21 | dirk_ | dante_2core, yeah seems that I have to change a directory somewhere.... |
| 11:30.33 | dante_2core | dirk_, the thing with $DESTDIR? |
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| 11:31.10 | dante_2core | dirk_, that is in the makefile, somewhere there should be a place where the makefile puts its files |
| 11:31.17 | dirk_ | dante_2core, yes... destination dir? |
| 11:31.28 | dante_2core | dirk_, I'm not familiar with the whole maketools stuff... |
| 11:31.31 | dante_2core | dirk_, try :D |
| 11:31.38 | dirk_ | ok.... |
| 11:31.40 | dante_2core | just make sure you don't overwrite stuff that's important |
| 11:32.00 | dante_2core | dirk_, you better google around a bit first - I don't know enough about that stuff |
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| 11:32.22 | dutchfish | dante_2core, eth1 -> NO SUCH DEVICE, wlan0_rename -> ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Invalid argument & Association request to the driver failed |
| 11:32.31 | dante_2core | zomg |
| 11:32.47 | dante_2core | dutchfish, but your drivers for the wlan card are properly loaded? |
| 11:32.58 | dante_2core | dutchfish, and you did not take -Dwext but -D<thedriveryouneed>, right? |
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| 11:33.13 | dutchfish | dante_2core, yup, and i can connect to other wlans through WEP 128 bits keys |
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| 11:33.37 | dante_2core | dutchfish, then you might need to turn off WEP for the device to be used first |
| 11:33.37 | dutchfish | dante_2core, i try that sec |
| 11:33.48 | dante_2core | dutchfish, -Dwext is for intel chips |
| 11:33.51 | dutchfish | dante_2core, that i did |
| 11:34.05 | dutchfish | dante_2core, so i gues hostap for prism 2.5 |
| 11:34.15 | dante_2core | if the manpage says so :D |
| 11:34.30 | dante_2core | yes, hostap. |
| 11:34.46 | dante_2core | and what's the device you usually connect with? |
| 11:34.49 | dante_2core | eth1 i guess? |
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| 11:35.31 | dutchfish | dante_2core, ioctl[PRISM2_IOCTL_PRISM2_PARAM]: No such device |
| 11:35.54 | Orion_X11 | I have tried to access this page for nearly one week now and I cannot. People who are using win do. I am embarrassed because of this. What could it be? > http://www.emtu.sp.gov.br/ |
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| 11:36.56 | Orion_X11 | And I need to access it. Because someone here needs to get his email from that company |
| 11:37.33 | znh | how can I prevent tridentfb from being loaded? blacklisting does not effect it |
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| 11:38.22 | dutchfish | dante_2core, what kernel you are using on this wireless box? |
| 11:38.31 | dante_2core | dutchfish, custo |
| 11:38.36 | dante_2core | ah, not anymore |
| 11:38.39 | dante_2core | 2.6.24 |
| 11:38.45 | dutchfish | dante_2core, 2.6.24 based? |
| 11:38.49 | dante_2core | 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 11:38.50 | dutchfish | dante_2core, ok, me too |
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| 11:39.19 | Danielss89 | hi.. |
| 11:39.38 | dante_2core | dutchfish, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=200918 <- look at that |
| 11:39.40 | Danielss89 | i want to rename a folder each night, to a name and the date |
| 11:39.43 | dante_2core | dutchfish, could be some help |
| 11:39.58 | Danielss89 | i know i can use mv /dir /dir_old |
| 11:40.10 | Danielss89 | but how do i get the date in the name? |
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| 11:40.30 | dante_2core | Danielss89, why do you move the folder? |
| 11:40.33 | dante_2core | you can use rename |
| 11:40.38 | dutchfish | dante_2core, same except pair= command, gone try that because the AP is WPA/WPA2 |
| 11:40.57 | dante_2core | dutchfish, I meant that the other modules were loaded and prevented the chip from being used |
| 11:41.14 | dante_2core | Danielss89, but you can do that with a bashscript pretty easily |
| 11:41.14 | Danielss89 | dante_2core i use mysqlhotcopy to backup my database, but i want to keep backup from the last 14 days.. |
| 11:41.36 | dutchfish | dante_2core, yes overlooked that, the same problem as me |
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| 11:42.18 | dante_2core | Danielss89, wait I'll assemble a command for you :D |
| 11:42.24 | dante_2core | (need to read the date manpage all the time XD |
| 11:42.26 | Danielss89 | nice.. thx dante_2core |
| 11:42.35 | XoX | how does the kernel know what interface name give a specific NIC? |
| 11:42.47 | Danielss89 | can you do so that it delete the folders older than 14 days to? dante_2core? |
| 11:43.49 | dutchfish | dante_2core, ENABLES=0 and blacklisting the orinoco but not the hermes drivers did the trick its connected now, thank you very much! |
| 11:44.02 | dante_2core | dutchfish, you're welcome :D |
| 11:44.25 | dante_2core | Danielss89, to move the folder you can do: mv /dir "/dir-$(date +%d_%m_%y-%H:%M)" |
| 11:44.40 | dante_2core | this makes a foldername like /dir-06_04_08-13:42 |
| 11:44.42 | dante_2core | if oyu want that |
| 11:44.44 | dante_2core | oyu* |
| 11:44.45 | dante_2core | you* |
| 11:44.46 | Neonkoala | Anyone know of something that monitors a directory and automatically encodes video files dropped into it like for an ipod or something for a headless server? |
| 11:44.47 | dutchfish | dante_2core, somehow the hermes drivers are involved (but should not) this could be a kernel issue ... mmmm |
| 11:44.57 | dante_2core | dutchfish, yes, I wondered about that too... |
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| 11:45.13 | dirk_ | maybe somebody is awake now and can help me to progress building a package? http://paste.debian.net/144 |
| 11:45.19 | dante_2core | Danielss89, to remove folders older than two weeks I'd write a cronjob, actually |
| 11:45.54 | dutchfish | dante_2core, but i am not complaining, because it works now and not in "the other os, wich i dont want to mention" :) |
| 11:46.07 | Danielss89 | ok.. i will make php do it.. i know how to do it in that language :) |
| 11:46.37 | dante_2core | dutchfish, :D |
| 11:46.47 | dante_2core | Danielss89, :D |
| 11:46.49 | dante_2core | bbs, gettin' food |
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| 11:47.50 | dante_2core | dutchfish, re, you could somehow blacklist the modules that are not needed, but I heard that sometimes won't wrok |
| 11:47.53 | dante_2core | work* |
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| 11:48.08 | dutchfish | dante_2core, i did with the orinoco and that solved it |
| 11:48.22 | bkw- | mod_auth_digest doesn't seem to be available on my etch installation, do I need any extra package to get that module? |
| 11:48.26 | dante_2core | I usually do hacks for things like that, for example move the actual module file to another name so it can't be loaded anyway :D |
| 11:48.33 | bkw- | (apache2 module) |
| 11:48.45 | dante_2core | bkw-, shouldn't it come with apache then? |
| 11:49.18 | dutchfish | dante_2core, i just removed it :) |
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| 11:49.19 | bkw- | I've installed apache2.2-common |
| 11:49.43 | dante_2core | dutchfish, better move things to different places than delete them, in case you need them sometime :) |
| 11:49.45 | dutchfish | dante_2core, dont need it on this laptop anyway |
| 11:50.02 | dante_2core | well then... still, move files, don't remove them, general advice. |
| 11:50.13 | dutchfish | dante_2core, thats why its called "tetsing" |
| 11:50.17 | dante_2core | but I'm glad it works now :D |
| 11:50.23 | dutchfish | s/tetsing/testing |
| 11:50.49 | dante_2core | bkw-, I don't have that module too, I'll see where it comes from |
| 11:51.29 | dutchfish | dante_2core, soon the master mode is coming back in 2.6.25 for prism cards, that would be nice too |
| 11:51.54 | bkw- | apache2.2-common: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_auth_digest.so seem to exist |
| 11:51.54 | dante_2core | bkw-, look at the libapache2-mod-* packages, maybe something for you is there |
| 11:52.57 | znh | how can I unload a module that is in use? I don't care that things can be broken that way |
| 11:52.59 | dante_2core | bkw-, well is it a kernel module or an apache module? |
| 11:53.04 | dante_2core | znh, force it |
| 11:53.14 | znh | dante_2core, modprobe -f won't work |
| 11:53.49 | dutchfish | !a2enmod |
| 11:53.49 | dpkg | a2enmod enables or disables an apache2 module |
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| 11:54.27 | dante_2core | znh, try rmmod -f, but don't kill me if that breaks things |
| 11:55.04 | dutchfish | no, use a2enmomd and a2dismod for apache2 modules |
| 11:55.07 | znh | dante_2core, no worries :') |
| 11:55.15 | dante_2core | :D |
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| 11:55.46 | dante_2core | dutchfish, znh is messing with kernel stuff, bkw- is messing with apache stuff :D |
| 11:55.59 | dutchfish | oops, ok |
| 11:56.09 | bkw- | auth_digest is mod_auth_digest. |
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| 11:56.49 | znh | dante_2core, even -f won't work |
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| 11:57.35 | s0u][ight | hello i can't find php5-ffmpeg can someone help me? |
| 11:58.00 | dutchfish | dante_2core, do you know by accident how to make gnome-session -> startup programs on/off state persistant? (i have some homebrew scriptlets for wlan AP's) |
| 11:59.13 | znh | dante_2core, the thing is. Tridentfb causes my screen to stripe and unresponding. I can't get it unloaded, even not with 'nofb' in my boot options |
| 11:59.24 | xoz | znh: rename it to somethinge... |
| 11:59.35 | znh | xoz, good idea |
| 11:59.50 | dante_2core | dutchfish, i'll look into it |
| 11:59.53 | xoz | znh: just hunt the module file. i do this because i have same problem |
| 12:00.00 | dante_2core | xoz, :D that's my kinda style :D |
| 12:00.23 | dante_2core | it ain't really clean-debian-wise, but it works without any hassles |
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| 12:00.40 | dante_2core | but if you're not completely sure you never ever need the file again, just move it to some other place as backup |
| 12:00.44 | dutchfish | s0u][ight, looked in gallery2 ? |
| 12:01.15 | dante_2core | dutchfish, you want to make programs start automagically? |
| 12:01.27 | dante_2core | dutchfish, are there ones that load and you don't want them to or they don't load and you want them to? |
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| 12:01.32 | s0u][ight | how do i install downloaded .deb files? |
| 12:01.32 | dutchfish | dante_2core, yes, but only after gnome started |
| 12:01.44 | dutchfish | s0u][ight, usr/share/gallery2/modules/ffmpeg/test/phpunit/FfmpegToolkitTest.class |
| 12:01.56 | znh | you're all heros, xoz, dante_2core. :')! |
| 12:02.13 | xoz | so much with autoloading stuffs... idiot proof process is sometimes idiotic too. |
| 12:02.16 | s0u][ight | so u guys are leggends? |
| 12:02.16 | dutchfish | s0u][ight, aptitude install foo |
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| 12:02.22 | dante_2core | znh, :D |
| 12:02.25 | nkuttler | s0u][ight: man dpkg |
| 12:03.07 | dante_2core | dutchfish, wait, i'll start gnome in a sec... |
| 12:03.11 | xoz | znh: just make sure to repeat the process everytime you upgrade the kernel |
| 12:03.16 | s0u][ight | i got a .deb file and want to install it so the command will be |
| 12:03.20 | s0u][ight | dpkg ... |
| 12:03.20 | dpkg | i guess ... is http://strugglers.net/rants/dots%20:(.php |
| 12:03.27 | xoz | dpkg -i |
| 12:03.34 | chtp | hi folks. which is the most simple ftp server? i'm only sharing one file (readable and writable). |
| 12:03.47 | dante_2core | chtp, aptitude search ftp |
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| 12:03.57 | dante_2core | chtp, aptitude search ftp | grep simple :D |
| 12:03.59 | dutchfish | chtp, on the net or in a lan? |
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| 12:04.36 | chtp | dutchfish: lan |
| 12:04.59 | dutchfish | chtp, ftpd |
| 12:05.48 | chtp | dutchfish: ok, thx for info |
| 12:06.13 | dutchfish | chtp, but dont use it on the net, then choose vsftpd |
| 12:06.52 | dante_2core | dutchfish, it's in system->prefs->sessions |
| 12:06.56 | dante_2core | there you have startup programs |
| 12:07.02 | s0u][ight | hello got a problem i want to install php5-ffmpeg but can't find the pacakge with apt-chache |
| 12:07.18 | chtp | dutchfish: ok |
| 12:07.27 | dutchfish | dante_2core, yes, but those or not persistant when i relog |
| 12:07.33 | dante_2core | s0u][ight, I have that here |
| 12:07.44 | dante_2core | dutchfish, are they not? not good ^^ |
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| 12:07.49 | dutchfish | dante_2core, at least not the on/off state |
| 12:08.05 | s0u][ight | dante_2core didn't understand u |
| 12:08.05 | dante_2core | dutchfish, i'll try and put one or two on and then relog and see if it works here |
| 12:08.22 | dante_2core | s0u][ight, apt-cache search php5-ffmpeg returns the package for me, means my repo has it |
| 12:08.34 | s0u][ight | hmmm |
| 12:08.46 | nkuttler | s0u][ight: /msg dpkg backports, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 12:09.31 | s0u][ight | nkuttler i don't understand anything about backports :( |
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| 12:09.53 | dante_2core | dutchfish, works here... |
| 12:10.07 | nkuttler | s0u][ight: well, that's why you should read what the bot tells you |
| 12:10.18 | s0u][ight | did that a while ago |
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| 12:10.39 | dutchfish | dante_2core, strange, where cna i find those config files for autostart within session-manager? |
| 12:10.44 | nkuttler | s0u][ight: there are instructions at backports.org and apt-get.org |
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| 12:11.11 | dante_2core | dutchfish, ouf, that'd be some kinda gnomeish thingy, i'll have a look |
| 12:11.50 | dutchfish | dante_2core, no need i will figure that out, but thnaks! |
| 12:12.08 | dante_2core | :D no problem |
| 12:12.17 | dante_2core | it's likely some kinda gconf stuff |
| 12:12.19 | s0u][ight | dante_2core can u pastebin ur repos? |
| 12:12.34 | dante_2core | s0u][ight, oh you don't want that |
| 12:12.43 | dante_2core | 1. I have a mixture of testing, unstable and experimental |
| 12:13.00 | dante_2core | 2. my sources are a bitch - you need over 9000 hours of dependancy dodgeing to make them work XD |
| 12:13.07 | dante_2core | paste yours, I'll tell you whats missing |
| 12:13.07 | dante_2core | o? |
| 12:13.09 | dante_2core | ok*? |
| 12:13.16 | s0u][ight | sec. |
| 12:13.21 | Lagbolt | dante_2core, wow experimental too eh lol |
| 12:13.59 | dutchfish | dante_2core, foudn it: ~/.gnome2/session |
| 12:14.07 | dante_2core | Lagbolt, :D only some packages |
| 12:14.11 | dante_2core | dutchfish, oh great, thanks |
| 12:14.37 | s0u][ight | http://pastebin.com/m614a0717 |
| 12:14.41 | s0u][ight | here u are |
| 12:14.45 | dante_2core | thanks |
| 12:14.56 | dante_2core | dutchfish, how do I figure out which repo a package is from? |
| 12:15.52 | ac3 | Hi, i´m trying to boot my workstations from an nfs server, but i always get a kernel panic, just as described on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/181258 |
| 12:16.13 | dutchfish | !policy |
| 12:16.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, policy is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. |
| 12:16.20 | dutchfish | no thats not it |
| 12:16.24 | Lagbolt | apt-cache policy will do it |
| 12:16.30 | dutchfish | apt-cache policy foo |
| 12:16.41 | dante_2core | aaah ok |
| 12:17.26 | dante_2core | !etch |
| 12:17.26 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 12:17.27 | dutchfish | s0d0, your sources.list contains errors mind the "\" |
| 12:17.31 | dante_2core | !unstable |
| 12:17.31 | dpkg | [unstable] the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
| 12:17.39 | dante_2core | oh,darn |
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| 12:17.50 | dante_2core | s0u][ight, I am on unstable, that's why I have it I guess |
| 12:17.55 | dante_2core | !package |
| 12:17.59 | dante_2core | !dpkg php5-ffmpeg |
| 12:18.15 | dante_2core | !php5-ffmpeg |
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| 12:18.25 | dutchfish | !info php5-ffmpeg |
| 12:18.26 | dante_2core | -.- someone help me with the triggers -.- |
| 12:18.30 | dpkg | php5-ffmpeg: (ffmpeg support for php5), section web, is optional. Version: 0.5.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
| 12:18.40 | dante_2core | !info php5-ffmpeg etch |
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| 12:18.49 | dutchfish | dante_2core, nope |
| 12:18.52 | dante_2core | not in etch |
| 12:18.54 | dante_2core | well then |
| 12:19.09 | dante_2core | s0u][ight, I don't know what to do, you may need backports for that, I am on unstable, that's why I have it. |
| 12:19.36 | s0u][ight | damn =( |
| 12:19.48 | s0u][ight | i realy need it and can't compile from source code :( |
| 12:20.02 | hikenboot | good morning all---I am wondering if anyone can point me thru the process of taking a simple debootrstrap debain install to the point where I install users and groups. I would like to do this right the first time...thanks for your help |
| 12:20.30 | dutchfish | hikenboot, its quiet simple |
| 12:20.33 | dante_2core | s0u][ight, then you need to go into backports |
| 12:20.52 | hikenboot | I am trying to create a minimalistic domU install thats just enough to run a firefox browser |
| 12:21.27 | dutchfish | hikenboot, just dbootstrap with the right commandline options look into the man page for that |
| 12:22.10 | rage | Is there anyway to disable a laptops keyboard yet keep connected usb keyboards enabled? |
| 12:22.12 | hikenboot | so your saying i should have already created the user thru the deboosrap setup? useradd wouldnt be sufficient? |
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| 12:23.30 | rage | Short of grabbing a screw driver and wire cutters :-/ |
| 12:24.10 | dutchfish | hikenboot, if you use debootstrap with the right role (desktop) its will install a near complete desktop system, or go by the default and install gdm and windowmanager and apps later |
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| 12:24.22 | dante_2core | rage, yes, change the xorg.conf to usb keyboard |
| 12:24.50 | dutchfish | hikenboot, http://www.option-c.com/xwiki/Create_a_Debian_VM_with_debootstrap |
| 12:25.30 | xand | hmm |
| 12:25.44 | dutchfish | hikenboot, if you new to this and want to use qemu, just install qemumanager too, it has a nice graphical interface to gide you through |
| 12:25.47 | rage | Its using the kbd driver with a couple of options, corekeyboard pc104 ect |
| 12:25.53 | xand | to install debian on my ultra1, I have to manually "modprobe esp" instead of letting the installer program do it :| |
| 12:26.05 | rage | However there is only one keyboard entry listed in xorg.conf |
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| 12:26.21 | hikenboot | doesnt installing debian desktop or xfce destop make it larger than is possible by some slimmed down version of xwindows just enough to run a firefox browser. In this case I am trying to get my vm to run in as little as possible space |
| 12:27.23 | dutchfish | hikenboot, then go the manual (hard) way and install with no rules, this takes about 1.5 G |
| 12:27.26 | hikenboot | this is to become a safe-browser appliance for accessing the internet only to sandbox the browser from the rest of the system |
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| 12:27.32 | SpookyET | hi |
| 12:27.47 | dutchfish | hikenboot, yes you can do that |
| 12:28.08 | dutchfish | hikenboot, i did |
| 12:28.20 | hikenboot | 1.5 gig! holly cow...how do they get DSL to run in such a small space its only 80 meg |
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| 12:28.48 | dutchfish | hikenboot, i believe there are already VM images in the net with debian premade .. |
| 12:29.16 | dutchfish | hikenboot, DSL |
| 12:29.26 | hikenboot | Damn small linux |
| 12:29.56 | dutchfish | hikenboot, http://damnsmalllinux.org/packages.html |
| 12:30.01 | SpookyET | How do you download http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/dl.php?id=648 with wget? It gets 404, but works in firefox. |
| 12:30.06 | ac3 | Hi, i´m trying to boot my workstations from an nfs server, but i always get a kernel panic, just as described on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/181258 |
| 12:31.04 | dutchfish | hikenboot, with that 1.5G i have a full blow debian gnome desktop (wich i prefer) |
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| 12:32.31 | dutchfish | hikenboot, wich i boot with PXE |
| 12:32.54 | dutchfish | hikenboot, and is reverted on every boot |
| 12:32.58 | hikenboot | I have created a minimalistic debian install with XFCE which is my favorite desktop for Dom0 I am trying to remaster this so it boots from flash eventually (the dom0 and the safe-browser from a readonly flash install and the other vm's hardware emulated including a windows xp install |
| 12:33.34 | dutchfish | hikenboot, you might want to delve into debianlive methods |
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| 12:34.18 | dutchfish | hikenboot, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/ |
| 12:34.47 | dutchfish | hikenboot, its a very convinient way to build such envirenments |
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| 12:35.34 | dutchfish | hikenboot, and works nicely along with qemu or others |
| 12:36.09 | hikenboot | oh so my original idea of building the system from scratch and then running the debian to live cd scripts wouldnt be the best way |
| 12:36.42 | dutchfish | hikenboot, only if you think you can do better (squzing to last bits out) wich already other shave done |
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| 12:37.15 | dutchfish | hikenboot, you can always do it that way if those are not satisfying |
| 12:37.17 | hikenboot | oh damn I hate to here that I have done so much work so far... |
| 12:37.29 | dutchfish | hikenboot, but debianlive is very adaptable |
| 12:37.49 | hikenboot | so to get it straight you build it in a qemu install? |
| 12:37.55 | dutchfish | hikenboot, yes i know (google is your friend) ;) |
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| 12:38.29 | dutchfish | hikenboot, no, you build it with devianlive and run it in your favorite VM, maybe qemu or virtualbox or whatever |
| 12:38.53 | hikenboot | ah you mean as a way to test it |
| 12:38.56 | hikenboot | I see |
| 12:38.59 | dutchfish | hikenboot, and when finished you make it usb bootbale or use PXE or whatever |
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| 12:39.55 | dutchfish | hikenboot, you can even make COW with qemu to tweak it afterwards |
| 12:41.32 | dutchfish | hikenboot, debianlive is more or less a frontend (non graphical) for debootstrap with many many features |
| 12:41.34 | hikenboot | I guess I should read all of debian live page you gave me before proceeding...anywhere else I should also look? |
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| 12:42.19 | dutchfish | hikenboot, the wiki has already many links for subparts and scissertailing, you will do fine, have fun! |
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| 12:43.53 | hikenboot | thanks dutchfish |
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| 12:43.58 | dutchfish | yw |
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| 12:48.43 | tux_mind | hello |
| 12:49.38 | tux_mind | i've got a problem with my new compiled kernel at boottime i've got this message :" modprobe fatal error module raid0 not found" |
| 12:50.15 | Jemt | tux_mind: do 'cat /etc/modules' |
| 12:50.26 | Jemt | tux_mind: Does it contain a line with 'raid0' ? |
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| 12:50.32 | Eulex | apparently you didn't compile in raid support, and you've told it to automatically load raid0 |
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| 12:50.47 | Jemt | tux_mind: Ah, never mind |
| 12:50.49 | cahoot | or a not available module |
| 12:51.13 | tux_mind | Jemt : no |
| 12:51.16 | cahoot | due to missing initrd? |
| 12:51.44 | tux_mind | initrd is present and i've selected all the options with raid in menuconfig |
| 12:52.48 | tux_mind | here is the passage of .config with "raid" : http://pastebin.com/m10fe121f |
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| 12:54.20 | cahoot | so it isn't a module at all |
| 12:54.23 | tetedupet | Why doesn't a command like "df -h | echo" work? |
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| 12:55.08 | rage | tetedupet: "df -h | cat" |
| 12:55.10 | cammoblammo | tetedupet: It does. It just doesn't do what you want it to! |
| 12:55.20 | tarzeau | tetedupet: what would you expect from it? |
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| 12:55.42 | tux_mind | cahoot : i don't understand you |
| 12:55.48 | tetedupet | tarzeau: Well I'm trying to filter some stuff from another command and then have it echo the filtered text |
| 12:56.10 | tarzeau | tetedupet: maybe if you show your input, all your commands and the expected output, someone can help |
| 12:56.16 | tetedupet | rage: thanks for the help |
| 12:56.23 | rage | Thats okay |
| 12:56.35 | rage | I should point out that something | cat is entirely pointless |
| 12:56.41 | rage | you can drop the cat all together |
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| 12:56.45 | cahoot | tux_mind: looks like CONFIG_MD_RAID0=y - i e built statically into kernel - not as a separate module |
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| 12:57.17 | tux_mind | yes it should be build as a module ? |
| 12:57.43 | cahoot | no but the msg might be just informational |
| 12:57.52 | tux_mind | ok |
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| 12:59.36 | tux_mind | i don't have any idea, i look into the /lib/modules/mynewkernel/ and i didn't see anything related to raid |
| 13:00.48 | tux_mind | otherwise in the /lib/modules/mycurrentkernel there are some files like : raid_class.ko |
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| 13:03.10 | my007ms | i am trying to update to lenny |
| 13:03.15 | my007ms | and i keep get this error |
| 13:03.16 | my007ms | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2) |
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| 13:04.10 | dutchfish | my007ms, what repo are you using? |
| 13:05.20 | my007ms | dutchfish, how can i know ? from /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 13:05.36 | dutchfish | my007ms, it could be a broken cache, yes, /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:06.13 | my007ms | dutchfish, http://rafb.net/p/RVehfC61.html |
| 13:06.19 | my007ms | this is my sources.list |
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| 13:06.43 | my007ms | i follow this URL http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/06/how-to-upgrade-from-etch-to-lenny/ |
| 13:07.59 | dutchfish | my007ms, you are using aptitude or apt-get? you should use aptitude |
| 13:08.19 | dutchfish | !aptitude |
| 13:08.19 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 13:08.38 | dante_2core | tetedupet, grep is the key |
| 13:08.45 | my007ms | what is aptitude command the eq apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 13:09.04 | dante_2core | aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 13:09.21 | dutchfish | my007ms, the same like aptitude update && aptitude upgrade && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 13:10.09 | dutchfish | my007ms, but maybe you would like to clean the cache first with apt-get clean before .. |
| 13:10.25 | tux_mind | did you any place where i can find support for my raid problem ? |
| 13:10.26 | suppaman | ok I'm gonna wiping the system and install etch |
| 13:10.30 | tux_mind | *know |
| 13:11.53 | my007ms | dutchfish, http://rafb.net/p/bp6WNl74.html problem go even more bad :( |
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| 13:12.48 | dutchfish | my007ms, run aptitude update again, you did clean the cache first? |
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| 13:14.13 | TCossuto | !flash |
| 13:14.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> for a free implementation or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 13:14.58 | dutchfish | my007ms, oh wait you need to disable line 8 in sources.list (duplicate) |
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| 13:15.14 | dutchfish | my007ms, and line 10 too |
| 13:15.29 | my007ms | 8 ,10 remove ? |
| 13:15.55 | dutchfish | my007ms, no, put a # in front |
| 13:16.16 | dutchfish | my007ms, after that rerun aptitude update |
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| 13:21.43 | suppaman | damn, etch install cd has bad sectors |
| 13:22.17 | my007ms | dutchfish, problem is gone |
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| 13:22.23 | dutchfish | my007ms, when you are done dont forget to enable line 10 again (only that line not line 8) and aptitude update && aptitude upgrade to get it in sync with sec fixes |
| 13:22.26 | my007ms | dutchfish, i don't need this tow line ? |
| 13:23.29 | dutchfish | my007ms, line 8 is faulty |
| 13:24.06 | dutchfish | my007ms, because it a duplicat of line 3 |
| 13:24.21 | my007ms | :) thanks dutchfish |
| 13:24.25 | dutchfish | yw |
| 13:24.35 | my007ms | now i will aptitude upgrade |
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| 13:29.05 | dutchfish | suppaman, i burn my install cd on lowest speed that helps ;) |
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| 13:33.03 | suppaman | dutchfish: sure, but I think it's a reader/cd problem as I used same disk with no problem on another computer |
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| 13:34.16 | dutchfish | suppaman, ic |
| 13:34.23 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:34.51 | dutchfish | Lagbolt, its easy going atm yes |
| 13:34.57 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 13:34.57 | dpkg | <twiggz> who cares...dont pick a dictionary pass and its secure. |
| 13:35.24 | Lagbolt | words of wisdon lol |
| 13:35.25 | dutchfish | !sunday |
| 13:35.25 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 13:35.46 | Lagbolt | is it sunday already |
| 13:35.52 | Lagbolt | time flies when your . . . |
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| 13:43.09 | Quibus | Hi |
| 13:43.27 | Quibus | For some reason, xscreensaver's daemon isn't automatically started anymore... What could be wrong? |
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| 13:45.20 | Ikarus | Just drop it in your .xsession ? |
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| 13:46.44 | Quibus | Ikarus: why did it work before then? I don't have an .xsession |
| 13:47.19 | Ikarus | Quibus: probably some autolauncher stuff in your desktop enviroment |
| 13:47.21 | Quibus | (Never had one either) |
| 13:47.41 | Quibus | I've been running GNOME for ages, but I didn't have to put it in my autolancher settings there before |
| 13:47.59 | Ikarus | well, I'd drop it in the GNOME autolauncer mess then |
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| 13:48.29 | dutchfish | Quibus, did you check configuration -> sessions -> autostart? |
| 13:48.52 | Quibus | dutchfish: I never put it there before, I'm quite sure. And it has worked always |
| 13:49.29 | WormFood | is there some way to universally turn off F1 bringing up help in gnome? |
| 13:49.31 | suppaman | I'm having some strange issue, the computer freezes, could it be due to the fact I upgraded kernel but not modules built with m-a? |
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| 13:50.48 | WormFood | if I want the god damn help screen, I'll open it from the fuckin' menu....I'm so sick of hitting <esc> a few times, only to find out I really hit F1, and have 1/2 dozen help screens there. This isn't fuckin' windows, I don't want it to act like windows. |
| 13:50.48 | dutchfish | suppaman, if this is a kernel from debian repos it should not |
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| 13:51.21 | suppaman | it is |
| 13:51.33 | suppaman | that's why i wanted to switch back to etch |
| 13:51.52 | dutchfish | suppaman, where it hangs, directly after grub after grub? |
| 13:51.55 | suppaman | I upgraded to 2.6.22-3-686 but couldn't build modules as headers package is broken |
| 13:52.04 | suppaman | dutchfish: no it freezes randomly when using it |
| 13:52.07 | DirkGently | /me was just about to ask how one knows when ntp is working then saw: |
| 13:52.08 | DirkGently | [2008-04-06 14:49] <Quibus> Ikarus: why did it work before then? I don't have an .xsession |
| 13:52.08 | DirkGently | [2008-04-06 14:47] <Ikarus> Quibus: probably some autolauncher stuff in your desktop enviroment |
| 13:52.08 | suppaman | this sounds bad |
| 13:52.21 | dutchfish | suppaman, lenny or backports on etch? |
| 13:52.35 | suppaman | dutchfish: what am I running? |
| 13:52.45 | dutchfish | suppaman, yes |
| 13:52.48 | suppaman | lenny |
| 13:52.51 | WormFood | suppaman, it sounds like you have hardware problems to me |
| 13:53.01 | Quibus | DirkGently: ? |
| 13:53.14 | dutchfish | suppaman, yes, you could run memcheck first |
| 13:53.21 | Quibus | DirkGently: ah, the timestamps |
| 13:53.24 | suppaman | WormFood: I fear that |
| 13:53.26 | DirkGently | Quibus: the timestamps went back :) |
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| 13:54.07 | WormFood | suppaman, I like to use knoppix to help feel out hardware problems, because that rules out hard drive issues (of course it does not rule out cd-rom drive issues) |
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| 13:55.49 | dutchfish | suppaman, do you still have the old kernel, and do problem also appear if you boot into that? |
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| 13:56.24 | suppaman | dutchfish: I couldn't check this as I've just plugged the monitor |
| 13:56.30 | suppaman | can't find memcheck tho' |
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| 13:57.08 | Ward1983 | whats the best way to look what kernel version i have? |
| 13:57.14 | dutchfish | suppaman, memtest86+ |
| 13:57.14 | Ward1983 | with commandline |
| 13:57.18 | rage | uname -r |
| 13:57.18 | suppaman | Ward1983: uname |
| 13:57.35 | Ward1983 | suppaman, thanx |
| 13:57.45 | dutchfish | suppaman, if you installed it, it will appear in grub boot options |
| 13:58.57 | suppaman | dutchfish: sure but since it's mainly a monitorless and keyboardless box I couldn't check older kernel |
| 13:59.16 | dutchfish | suppaman, ic |
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| 13:59.27 | suppaman | anyway it happened since I safe-upgraded a couple days |
| 13:59.45 | suppaman | days ago* |
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| 14:00.41 | Ward1983 | suppaman, if you can SSH you could just edit the brub config to autoboot the old kernel? (allthough im not sure what you want to do i didnt read the question, came in too late) |
| 14:00.57 | Ward1983 | that would just be a temporary solution though |
| 14:00.59 | Ward1983 | messy |
| 14:01.10 | dutchfish | suppaman, you can remotely choose old kernel by means of default [number of line to boot] like default 1 in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:01.21 | dutchfish | suppaman, and then reboot |
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| 14:01.39 | Ward1983 | :) |
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| 14:01.48 | dutchfish | ... too late |
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| 14:02.37 | Ward1983 | yours was better explained and had the file location in there :) |
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| 14:03.02 | dutchfish | suppaman, but if you want to diagnose hardware problems like memcheck, its easier with your monitor connected |
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| 14:03.06 | suppaman | no I had to plug the monitor to understand what was happening, I tought it was a NIC problem |
| 14:03.13 | suppaman | true |
| 14:03.49 | dutchfish | suppaman, another reason might be a quircky bios |
| 14:05.16 | suppaman | urxvt is loading /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash, do I have to set a $SHELL in profile or what? |
| 14:05.50 | dutchfish | suppaman, no, /bin/sh is linked already to /bin/bash |
| 14:06.15 | dutchfish | suppaman, or at least should be |
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| 14:07.25 | suppaman | dutchfish: it is but it behaves differently if invoked as sh |
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| 14:07.38 | suppaman | dutchfish: I can easily see as my bashrc isn't processed |
| 14:07.46 | ldiamond | Is there a way to have a keyword point to a URL in a console? |
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| 14:07.48 | dutchfish | suppaman, of coarse not |
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| 14:08.02 | ldiamond | I want to do SVN update, but I dont want to have to type the entire url every time |
| 14:08.08 | dutchfish | suppaman, and it shouldnt |
| 14:08.22 | suppaman | ok I'v elinked .shrc to .bashrc :-p |
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| 14:08.34 | dutchfish | !hit suppaman |
| 14:08.34 | dpkg | kicks suppaman. |
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| 14:10.00 | suppaman | btw I can't use memtest86+ as I don't have a floppy reader |
| 14:10.08 | ldiamond | you still can |
| 14:10.11 | ldiamond | make a CD |
| 14:10.17 | suppaman | this is a mess |
| 14:10.18 | ldiamond | or even boot from a usb key |
| 14:10.20 | dutchfish | suppaman, hugh, you dont need floppy for that |
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| 14:10.46 | Eulex | suppaman, or just install the memtest86+ package; it will automatically put a boot entry into your grub menu |
| 14:10.46 | suppaman | I just read apt-cache info for memtest86+ |
| 14:10.55 | suppaman | ah nice |
| 14:11.07 | ldiamond | or use knopix |
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| 14:11.14 | ldiamond | or most bootable lin cd |
| 14:11.17 | dutchfish | suppaman, its also on your nice "working" installer cd, ready to run |
| 14:11.30 | ldiamond | or ultimate boot disk |
| 14:11.46 | dutchfish | :) |
| 14:11.57 | ldiamond | any1 know how I can make a keyword mean a URL in debian? |
| 14:12.09 | ldiamond | for example: svn checkout mySVN |
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| 14:12.26 | dutchfish | ldiamond, in bash script? |
| 14:12.28 | ldiamond | would actually mean: svn checkout http://svn.mysvn.com |
| 14:12.28 | Eulex | ldiamond, that's shell-specific |
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| 14:13.12 | ldiamond | well, im a lin newb so enlighten me |
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| 14:13.21 | dutchfish | ldiamond, or export a var? |
| 14:13.39 | ldiamond | I dunno |
| 14:13.48 | ldiamond | as long as it stays valid after I close consols |
| 14:14.06 | ldiamond | I used to do something like that in centos |
| 14:14.08 | ldiamond | dont remember how |
| 14:14.19 | dutchfish | ldiamond, make a EXPORT clause in your users .bashrc |
| 14:14.22 | Eulex | ldiamond, no method will; you will need to put it into a script so it is reset for every new shell |
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| 14:17.30 | dutchfish | ldiamond, if you need it systemwide delve into /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 14:19.31 | rocketmagnet | hello, can someone tell me how to unload certain modules at startup ? so for example pcspkr is not loaded on startup |
| 14:20.08 | dutchfish | rocketmagnet, modprobe to test/add rmmod to remove |
| 14:20.15 | \amethyst | !blacklist |
| 14:20.15 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 14:20.51 | \amethyst | rather than unloading them, that causes them to not be loaded in the first place |
| 14:21.03 | suppaman | I'm still wondering about wiping the system and installing etch |
| 14:21.03 | dutchfish | \amethyst, yes, you are right |
| 14:21.04 | HockeyInJune | I cannot find mod_logio for apache2, it is not in /usr/lib/apache2/modules. Where can I find it? |
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| 14:22.09 | dutchfish | HockeyInJune, apache2-doc: usr/share/doc/apache2-doc/manual/mod/mod_logio.html |
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| 14:23.03 | HockeyInJune | dutchfish, I read that, I am looking for the module |
| 14:23.24 | \amethyst | HockeyInJune: apache2 -l |
| 14:23.29 | \amethyst | HockeyInJune: it's compiled-in |
| 14:23.45 | dutchfish | HockeyInJune, http://www.ducea.com/2006/05/30/debian-apache2-modules-appendix-1-statically-build-in-modules/ |
| 14:23.56 | \amethyst | dutchfish: hah, I found the same page :) |
| 14:23.57 | HockeyInJune | Doh |
| 14:24.03 | HockeyInJune | cant believe it.. |
| 14:24.07 | hollunder | HI, I got a little license question. Which licenses are suitable for soundfonts and count as 'free' by debian definition? |
| 14:24.13 | dutchfish | \amethyst, :) |
| 14:24.20 | HockeyInJune | So, I dont have to do anything, it will just work right? |
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| 14:24.32 | dutchfish | HockeyInJune, basically yes |
| 14:24.43 | HockeyInJune | Thank you |
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| 14:25.42 | Quibus | !xscreensaver |
| 14:25.42 | dpkg | xscreensaver is probably at http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/ |
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| 14:26.27 | ldiamond | I tried adding a var in .bashrc, but it doesnt do much |
| 14:26.29 | dutchfish | hollunder, if it is your own material, you would consider it to release it under GPL, thats free as in bear |
| 14:26.55 | WormFood | how in the fuck do I tell which version of gawk is installed? -v, -V and --version does not do it |
| 14:26.59 | hollunder | it works for soundfonts too (which are essentially audio samples) |
| 14:27.10 | dutchfish | !tel WormFood about which |
| 14:27.25 | dutchfish | !tell WormFood about which |
| 14:27.43 | \amethyst | WormFood: gawk -W version |
| 14:27.49 | ldiamond | I want to be able to do svn checkout mySVN. How do I do that? (automatically replaces mySVN by the address) |
| 14:28.09 | dutchfish | ldiamond, i laready explained that |
| 14:28.10 | WormFood | thanks \amethyst |
| 14:28.21 | ldiamond | I just added it to .bashrc and it did nothing |
| 14:28.46 | dutchfish | ldiamond, you logged in and out to get it active? |
| 14:29.02 | ldiamond | what... I have to log out..? |
| 14:29.09 | ulrik__ | just start a new shell.. |
| 14:29.12 | dutchfish | ldiamond, its invoked on login |
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| 14:29.14 | ldiamond | I did that |
| 14:29.20 | ldiamond | wow, thats sad. |
| 14:29.30 | dutchfish | ldiamond, yes, or start a new shell |
| 14:29.32 | Quibus | or do source .bashrc |
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| 14:30.03 | ulrik__ | ldiamond: so you have mySVN="sumthing"; export $mySVN; then you use svn update $mySVN? |
| 14:30.04 | WormFood | ugh! no wonder what I wanted to do wouldn't work....it installed mawk instead of gawk |
| 14:30.10 | ldiamond | I started a new shell, didnt work |
| 14:30.13 | garotosopa | The current linux-kbuild on lenny is 2.6.24. How can I get linux-kbuild-2.6.22 from the repositories? |
| 14:30.16 | ulrik__ | oops export mySVN |
| 14:30.25 | dutchfish | ldiamond, what is your export clause? |
| 14:30.39 | ldiamond | I have no idea what an export clause is |
| 14:30.44 | ldiamond | as I said, im a lin newb |
| 14:30.47 | Quibus | ldiamond: what did you put in .bashrc? |
| 14:31.04 | ldiamond | mySVN = watevermysvnis |
| 14:31.13 | ulrik__ | ldiamond: as you see you can't automatically replace mySVn, you have to reference variables like that with a dollar ($) sign |
| 14:31.13 | \amethyst | ldiamond: no spaces around the = |
| 14:31.15 | Quibus | OK, replace with: |
| 14:31.22 | Quibus | export mySVN=whatevermysvnis |
| 14:31.30 | WormFood | what is so special about mawk that debian decided to use that instead of gawk? |
| 14:31.33 | \amethyst | it doesn't need to be exported, but it doesn't hurt |
| 14:31.41 | Quibus | and use like: svn co $mySVN |
| 14:31.42 | dutchfish | ldiamond, export PS1='myplaystation' like that |
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| 14:32.14 | \amethyst | WormFood: it has both |
| 14:32.21 | Quibus | WormFood: sudo aptitude install gawk |
| 14:32.37 | \amethyst | WormFood: you might try update-alternatives --config awk (as root) to chose which program you want 'awk' to be (gawk or mawk) |
| 14:32.56 | WormFood | it does not include gawk by default...I AM installing it....I was just curious as to why it installed mawk as a default instead |
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| 14:33.02 | vjoe | hey |
| 14:33.09 | ldiamond | works with the export thing |
| 14:33.10 | ldiamond | ty< |
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| 14:33.14 | hollunder | thanks dutchfish, I was wondering about the cc licenses but it looks like they are all not approved. |
| 14:33.17 | vjoe | when will the forum be back? |
| 14:33.37 | \amethyst | WormFood: because mawk is about 10% the size of gawk, probably |
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| 14:33.43 | dutchfish | hollunder, best bet is go by GPL |
| 14:33.55 | hollunder | ok, thanks |
| 14:33.59 | WormFood | but mawk lacks functionality I need |
| 14:34.00 | \amethyst | WormFood: 225 KiB as opposed to 2011 KiB |
| 14:34.02 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 14:34.03 | dpkg | it has been said that debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 14:34.12 | Quibus | WormFood: in those cases, just install gawk :P |
| 14:34.26 | rocketmagnet | when i'm using the native nvidia drivers, is there a tool to setup display settings ? |
| 14:34.38 | WormFood | that figures....save a few meg on a desktop system.....I can understand if it was embedded, but come on, that is just silly |
| 14:34.38 | ldiamond | isnt there a command to reinitialise the shell? |
| 14:34.41 | tetedupet | rage: well I have about 10 commands piping into each other/j perl |
| 14:34.43 | tetedupet | oops |
| 14:34.46 | Quibus | !tell rocketmagnet about nvidia |
| 14:34.51 | \amethyst | ldiamond: what do you mean by 'reinitialize'? |
| 14:34.58 | ldiamond | I remember in centos when I changed a var I was able to make it active without starting a new shell |
| 14:35.13 | \amethyst | ldiamond: you could source your .bashrc again: . .bashrc |
| 14:35.15 | WormFood | just removed mawk |
| 14:35.32 | \amethyst | you're allowed to remove mawk? |
| 14:35.48 | \amethyst | I thought it was Priority: required |
| 14:35.52 | dutchfish | ldiamond, you can invoke export on the commandline, but your q was to make it persistant |
| 14:36.09 | Quibus | \amethyst: it is |
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| 14:36.18 | Haris | Hello people |
| 14:36.23 | ldiamond | dutchfish, I think amethys answered me. In centos, I did source .wateverthefileis |
| 14:36.24 | WormFood | it is required, but I replaced it with gawk |
| 14:36.31 | Quibus | description of mawk also says: Mawk is smaller and much faster than gawk. It has some compile-time limits such as NF = 32767 and sprintf buffer = 1020. |
| 14:36.34 | WormFood | some version of awk is required |
| 14:37.16 | WormFood | Quibus, if it had the features I needed, I wouldn't be replacing it with gawk :P |
| 14:37.42 | dutchfish | \amethyst, source .bashrc again that works? wow really learned something new |
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| 14:38.36 | ldiamond | well |
| 14:38.41 | ldiamond | he said . .bashrc |
| 14:38.51 | ldiamond | i guess thats the equivalent to source in centos |
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| 14:39.57 | enouf | . == source |
| 14:39.59 | ldiamond | Is there a way to make a shell not case-sensitive |
| 14:40.02 | dutchfish | \amethyst, i am confused know |
| 14:40.18 | enouf | use windows |
| 14:40.20 | dutchfish | enouf, just . or . .bashrc |
| 14:40.27 | ldiamond | I use windows. |
| 14:40.36 | ldiamond | but I have to run a lin VM for work |
| 14:40.38 | Quibus | ldiamond: in such things there is no difference between distros |
| 14:40.46 | enouf | dutchfish: ". filenamerc", or "source filenamerc" |
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| 14:41.01 | enouf | dutchfish: ". .filenamerc", or "source .filenamerc" as well |
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| 14:41.20 | ldiamond | no way to make this thing not case-sensitive? |
| 14:41.29 | dutchfish | enouf, and then echo $PARAM should work (without relogging) |
| 14:41.32 | Quibus | ldiamond: you can't as the files are case sensitive |
| 14:41.40 | dutchfish | enouf, nope |
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| 14:41.50 | ldiamond | well, I'd gladly make the file case-insensitive |
| 14:41.55 | ldiamond | files*< |
| 14:42.11 | enouf | no |
| 14:42.13 | Quibus | ldiamond: it depends on the filesystem, but all usual filesystems are case sensitive. Live with it and use the TAB key |
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| 14:42.30 | enouf | dutchfish: you might want export PARAM= |
| 14:42.54 | WormFood | Quibus, I guess fat is unusual |
| 14:43.02 | Quibus | WormFood: very |
| 14:43.04 | ldiamond | dutchfish, it worked fine with me |
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| 14:43.14 | lord_rob | Hi ! My keyboard doesn't work anymore with X on my my second Sid box. If I remember correctly, there was a bug recently about that, do anyone know about it ? |
| 14:43.23 | dutchfish | enouf, yes, but my q is: if i add an export statement in .bashrc does it become active without relogging with . or source? apparently not |
| 14:43.37 | WormFood | lord_rob, are you using software like scim with it? |
| 14:43.48 | enouf | dutchfish: export makes it active for that session/pts |
| 14:43.56 | lord_rob | WormFood: lemme check |
| 14:44.00 | WormFood | dutchfish, just type "exec bash" |
| 14:44.04 | dutchfish | enouf, export on the commandline yes |
| 14:44.06 | enouf | dutchfish: not in the file, at the shell prompt |
| 14:44.11 | enouf | yes |
| 14:44.11 | WormFood | lord_rob, if you have to check, then you are probably not using it |
| 14:44.15 | dutchfish | WormFood, thats the 1 i was looking for |
| 14:44.21 | \amethyst | just modifying .bashrc doesn't change anything until you start a new shell, or source it |
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| 14:44.25 | dutchfish | WormFood, thnak you sir |
| 14:44.25 | ldiamond | Whats the name of that console with several shells (tabbed) and a few features? |
| 14:44.25 | garotosopa | How can I get linux-kbuild-2.6.22 ? Current version on lenny is linux-kbuild-2.6.24 |
| 14:44.32 | ldiamond | all I remember is it has a really weird name |
| 14:44.41 | ldiamond | the one for gnome |
| 14:44.47 | \amethyst | ldiamond: gnome-terminal ? |
| 14:44.54 | ldiamond | humm |
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| 14:44.58 | WormFood | dutchfish, technically that starts a new instance of bash, but it kills the old instance ;) |
| 14:45.00 | lord_rob | WormFood: right I don't use it |
| 14:45.01 | \amethyst | it supports tabs anyway |
| 14:45.02 | ldiamond | well thats not the one I was talking about |
| 14:45.13 | suppaman | bye |
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| 14:45.25 | dutchfish | WormFood, did not work either .... this is annoying |
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| 14:45.38 | ldiamond | well, the one I'm looking for allowed to switch tabs with alt and arrows |
| 14:45.41 | ldiamond | things like that |
| 14:45.43 | enouf | if you place it in ~/.bashrc , then you need to source that file, so it's reread .. not all (shell) changes are able to be applied that way, for ex; if you add yourself to a new group - but then there's the newgrp coomand |
| 14:46.24 | enouf | but right, . and source do not mean exec |
| 14:46.32 | dutchfish | enouf, i only need it for export clauses (because i always hassling with distcc and cmake changes) |
| 14:46.38 | WormFood | dutchfish, try "exec su - <your user name>" |
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| 14:47.06 | WormFood | and don't mistype the password ;) |
| 14:47.09 | WormFood | if you're not root |
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| 14:47.16 | dutchfish | WormFood, excellent! yup that one really works! |
| 14:47.23 | \amethyst | ldiamond: I think the default in gnome-terminal is something like ctrl-<pageup/pagedown>, but in Edit -> Keyboard Shortcuts you can change that |
| 14:47.48 | enouf | welp, i came late again, oh well :-P |
| 14:47.49 | \amethyst | err |
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| 14:48.40 | WormFood | dutchfish, if you want to be able to "exit" and get to your old shell, then omit the "exec" part....but if you want to replace your current shell, with the new one, then use "exex" |
| 14:48.50 | WormFood | er, "exec" |
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| 14:49.53 | dutchfish | WormFood, yes, thank you again! |
| 14:50.19 | WormFood | glad I could help |
| 14:50.24 | dutchfish | WormFood, nice trick, saves me the hassle of relogging a few times |
| 14:50.29 | WormFood | yup |
| 14:51.04 | dutchfish | WormFood, specially if some distcc hosts are not up or i want to change the order of load |
| 14:52.11 | WormFood | one of my coworkers was alway anal about locking his x session when he walked away from his desktop machine....I told him I could get past his password, because he logins to a console, then runs "startx"....after I told him what to do to bypass his screen lock, I taught him to do "exec startx" to make my "trick" not work to bypass his screen lock ;) |
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| 14:53.06 | \amethyst | WormFood: some screen lockers disable Ctrl-Alt-F<N> |
| 14:53.25 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.43 | muddd | Is it true that i dont really need the K7 kernel, the i686 will do just fine? |
| 14:53.55 | dutchfish | WormFood, gnome-lock does handle this nicely ... pffuuuy ... but good to know |
| 14:54.00 | WormFood | it was still funny to see the look on his face when I told him what to type to get past it, and he thought he was being real secure |
| 14:54.17 | \amethyst | muddd: correct |
| 14:54.30 | muddd | ok ditching it then thx |
| 14:54.44 | muddd | lenny put me on the 686 and i can't really tell the diff |
| 14:54.48 | \amethyst | muddd: the k7 kernel was recently removed from unstable, because it wasn't appreciably faster than the i686 kernel |
| 14:55.00 | muddd | ah i see |
| 14:55.10 | muddd | sweeet |
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| 14:56.22 | lord_rob | how do I kill a running X server from a tty ? |
| 14:56.52 | Lagbolt | lord_rob, do you run gdm or kdm? |
| 14:57.01 | lord_rob | xdm |
| 14:57.03 | WormFood | try "killall Xorg" |
| 14:57.08 | lord_rob | but I could change |
| 14:57.18 | Lagbolt | killall X |
| 14:57.22 | Cobra^^ | /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 14:57.24 | Lagbolt | lord_rob, debian? |
| 14:57.27 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 14:57.33 | WormFood | X is just a symlink, IIRC |
| 14:57.38 | Lagbolt | yeah Cobra^^ has it |
| 14:57.55 | Lagbolt | oops forgot which room i was in . . |
| 14:58.05 | WormFood | yeah, you forgot you are in IRC too |
| 14:58.05 | \amethyst | WormFood: here at least it shows up as 'X' in the process list though |
| 14:58.11 | WormFood | this is a channel, not a "room" |
| 14:58.11 | lord_rob | Lagbolt: yes actually yes :) |
| 14:58.19 | \amethyst | WormFood: pgrep Xorg doesn't show anything for me, while pgrep X does |
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| 14:58.37 | WormFood | well, I suppose different X servers have different binary names |
| 14:58.52 | WormFood | so I doubt there is one command line to fit all cases, in this case |
| 14:59.00 | lord_rob | killall Xorg restarts the server |
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| 14:59.15 | \amethyst | lord_rob: then you need to stop xdm first |
| 14:59.27 | WormFood | lord_rob, Xorg does not restart on its own |
| 14:59.30 | \amethyst | lord_rob: /etc/init.d/xdm stop as Cobra^^ suggested |
| 14:59.35 | lord_rob | ah yes right |
| 14:59.39 | WormFood | it is restarting because there something else restarting it when it stops |
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| 15:01.18 | suppaman | hi |
| 15:01.25 | suppaman | I'm on the debian box now |
| 15:01.33 | suppaman | btw this video card is broken |
| 15:01.34 | Lagbolt | sup suppaman |
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| 15:01.55 | dutchfish | ouch .. |
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| 15:02.24 | suppaman | can you suggest me a font for urxvt ? |
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| 15:03.07 | \amethyst | suppaman: DejaVu Sans Mono |
| 15:03.22 | fasta | How can I set my resolution in a shell script? |
| 15:03.39 | fasta | I mean the frequency. |
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| 15:04.22 | suppaman | fasta: can you explain further ? |
| 15:04.29 | \amethyst | fasta: xrandr --refresh 75 *if* X knows that a 75-Hz refresh rate is possible |
| 15:04.35 | fasta | suppaman: the refresh rate of my monitor. |
| 15:04.42 | fasta | \amethyst: thanks |
| 15:04.49 | \amethyst | fasta: do xrandr by itself to get a list of the modes it knows about |
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| 15:06.07 | GarulfoUnix | Hi everybody, i've a Intel Core 2 Duo and on this page : http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ , i'm wondering if i must have ia64 or amd64. Which do you recommand me ? |
| 15:06.11 | suppaman | \amethyst: you were the one using urxvt yesterday right? |
| 15:06.14 | \amethyst | suppaman: it would be specified with something like Rxvt*font: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:size=14 |
| 15:06.22 | XLV | GarulfoUnix, amd64 |
| 15:06.24 | \amethyst | suppaman: yes, but I don't normally use it |
| 15:06.33 | fasta | Intel Core 2 Duo is 32 bits, right? |
| 15:06.38 | enouf | no |
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| 15:06.40 | GarulfoUnix | fasta: no 64 bits |
| 15:06.42 | XLV | GarulfoUnix, ia64 is for itaniums which arent x86 compatible |
| 15:06.44 | GarulfoUnix | but compatible with 32 |
| 15:06.49 | enouf | right |
| 15:06.49 | GarulfoUnix | ha ok |
| 15:06.52 | suppaman | \amethyst: that line is for Xdefaults isn't it ? |
| 15:06.54 | GarulfoUnix | thanks XLV :] |
| 15:06.54 | \amethyst | suppaman: I like DejaVu Sans Mono because it's readable (based on Bitstream Vera Sans Mono), but has a lot more characters |
| 15:06.56 | XLV | c2d is 64bit alright |
| 15:06.57 | \amethyst | suppaman: yes. |
| 15:07.04 | XLV | core duo wasnt |
| 15:07.10 | fasta | Ok, there was one that was 32 bits. Maybe the Core Duo. |
| 15:07.21 | \amethyst | suppaman: it might need to be URxvt*font if you start it as 'urxvt' |
| 15:07.22 | suppaman | \amethyst: do you know how can I choose default shell too without setting $SHELL ? |
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| 15:07.35 | enouf | yeah the T-2xxx and earlier ones, iirc |
| 15:07.42 | suppaman | \amethyst: I'd like everything bigger that default as I'm at 1280x1024 on a 17" |
| 15:08.00 | \amethyst | suppaman: chsh is the normal way to change your login shell |
| 15:08.15 | \amethyst | suppaman: or do you mean change the shell only for rxvt ? |
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| 15:08.34 | Deezire | T2xxx is 32-bits, and not core2duo. |
| 15:08.34 | suppaman | the latter |
| 15:08.59 | \amethyst | suppaman: there is no way (other than $SHELL) to set the default, but of course you can do urxvt -e zsh |
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| 15:09.14 | enouf | intel need a spanking .. for horrid nomenclature ;-) |
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| 15:09.37 | suppaman | \amethyst: I tought about setting a default, I'm using an idesk's icon with x-terminal-emulator |
| 15:10.37 | fasta | As if AMD has good names: a 6000+ suggests it is 3 times faster than a 2000+. |
| 15:10.49 | fasta | I highly doubt that it is. |
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| 15:11.06 | suppaman | how nice, font size 18 :-) |
| 15:11.46 | akio | how unstable is lenny? |
| 15:12.03 | akio | for desktop and development? |
| 15:12.09 | heymr | just switched from arch to debian. i need wireless and 1280x768 resolution. I would like to use intel driver, not i810. I need ipw2200 firmware for my Intel 2200 PRO/Wireless card. |
| 15:12.18 | suppaman | akio: fairly |
| 15:12.25 | akio | i just want to use it as a personal webserver, workstation, and dev environment |
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| 15:12.44 | heymr | any ideas? |
| 15:12.46 | suppaman | akio: but I think it's mainly a thing of packages management rather than app not working |
| 15:12.57 | heymr | i already have non-free and contrib in my sources.list |
| 15:13.00 | akio | what do you mean? |
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| 15:13.45 | suppaman | akio: I use lenny, I've upgraded kernel to 2.6.22-3-686 and there's no corrispondent headers package, it is in list but won't install |
| 15:13.49 | akio | i want to go to lenny for the compiz-fusion updated packages |
| 15:13.53 | hark | heymr: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 15:13.55 | suppaman | no big deal tho', I can live with it |
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| 15:14.02 | akio | im done trying to get it to work smoothly on etch |
| 15:14.25 | hark | suppaman: 2.6.24 is the latest kernel in lenny |
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| 15:14.38 | kqrl | i connected a hdd i found in one of my shelves to see what it contained, as i wanted to use it as a play-with-hdd... it couldn't boot, i supposed it was a hdd i've been using as backup earlier (a LOT earlier, it totalled 8 gigs :))... i started a livecd and checked it, and saw i've been using it as a windows xp and windows 98 disk too boot from, (but now it couldn't boot)... then i installed linux to play around, but still it couldn't |
| 15:14.39 | kqrl | boot... i tried a lot of different installation options and i tried reinstalling grub.. still no difference... therefore i made the conclusion the MBR is fucked up... my dad did not have much to come with, and this friend of mine suggested a low-level formatting... that is where i am right now :) how to do a low-level formatting? |
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| 15:14.53 | heymr | hark: oky |
| 15:15.00 | suppaman | \amethyst: actually I solved linking ~/.shrc to ~/.bashrc but I'd like to have just bash as default shell in a "right" way |
| 15:15.08 | suppaman | hark: come tell to apt on this boxc |
| 15:15.09 | suppaman | box* |
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| 15:15.32 | akio | kqrl: might want to try fixmbr and fixboot |
| 15:15.55 | \amethyst | suppaman: the 'right' way is chsh but that affects all your terminal emulators, console logins, etc, not just rxvt |
| 15:16.03 | akio | and if you can plug it in and see it you can read it with any late livecd |
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| 15:16.15 | suppaman | \amethyst: I think my login shell is already bash |
| 15:16.22 | suppaman | but let me check |
| 15:16.27 | \amethyst | suppaman: so what's the problem again? |
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| 15:16.34 | \amethyst | suppaman: rxvt gives you a different shell? |
| 15:17.05 | suppaman | \amethyst: it starts with sh and therefore my bashrc isn't processed (aliases, paths, prompt) |
| 15:17.13 | xand | hmm, my computer's clock is 40 years slow :( |
| 15:17.20 | akio | kqrl: google is your only friend, this is debian |
| 15:17.23 | suppaman | \amethyst: my login shell is bash afaics |
| 15:17.36 | suppaman | akio: dpkg is a good friend too, imho |
| 15:17.44 | suppaman | dpkg: hey |
| 15:17.55 | \amethyst | suppaman: what does getent passwd suppa | cut -d: -f7 say? |
| 15:18.03 | kqrl | akio: xD well thanks for the help so far :) |
| 15:18.10 | HockeyInJune | I run "apache2ctl start" and Apache fails. I am left with this error log http://pastebin.com/m62ac682a . Could someone please decipher and explain, and possibly give a solution? |
| 15:18.12 | suppaman | \amethyst: I just greppe passwd, isn't that enough? |
| 15:18.19 | akio | kqrl: did you see fixmbr and fixboot |
| 15:18.19 | \amethyst | suppaman: oh, okay |
| 15:18.19 | suppaman | :-) |
| 15:18.25 | suppaman | grepped* |
| 15:18.25 | \amethyst | suppaman: what does echo $SHELL say? |
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| 15:18.56 | enouf | amd needs a spanking too |
| 15:19.02 | kqrl | akio: yes, i'm looking them up atm :) |
| 15:19.07 | heymr | hark: thanks man! :) |
| 15:19.20 | heymr | so dpkg will help wth 915resolution to i guess |
| 15:20.07 | suppaman | I should clean the system, I fear about running debfoster |
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| 15:20.30 | akio | what kind of bot is dpkg? |
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| 15:20.42 | enouf | deborphan |
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| 15:21.34 | akio | is there a way to reverse apt-gets based on usage? |
| 15:21.38 | dpkg | privet |
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| 15:21.53 | asg | akio: dpkg is a blootbot |
| 15:22.12 | akio | unfamiliar with those |
| 15:22.20 | asg | akio: /msg dpkg blootbot |
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| 15:22.50 | dacs | good morning all |
| 15:23.45 | akio | lmao, apparently it's a chimp |
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| 15:24.06 | akio | asked it what kind of bot it was, it told me it was a chimp |
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| 15:24.11 | Danielss89 | Hi... i use php's shell_exec command to backup mysql with debians mysqlhotcopy... but it says i dont have permission Cannot open dir '/var/lib/mysql/potterskolen': Permission denied at /usr/bin/mysqlhotcopy line 295.... can i somehow log in as another user than www-data or should i chown all the mysql files to www-data?? |
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| 15:24.42 | asg | Danielss89: you might look at granting the privileges necessary via sudo |
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| 15:25.23 | \amethyst | Danielss89: set up sudo so that user www-data can become user mysql solely for running mysqlhotcopy with the appropriate arguments |
| 15:25.37 | dacs | hi... i am working on a website www.name.org, when i traceroute i get hostname unknow , but i can still access it |
| 15:25.40 | \amethyst | Danielss89: then run sudo mysqlhotcopy instead of just mysqlhotcopy |
| 15:26.00 | suppaman | lol |
| 15:26.03 | suppaman | pornview |
| 15:26.26 | dacs | suppaman: nope it is acually the oppiset . it is a church site |
| 15:26.28 | suppaman | I searched for image viewer in repo and there's pornview, pretty self explicative I have to say |
| 15:26.42 | suppaman | dacs: no I'm talking about the package |
| 15:26.56 | dacs | suppaman: lol |
| 15:27.24 | dacs | could that be something with CPANEL |
| 15:27.26 | suppaman | what happened to xv ? |
| 15:27.51 | amphi | pornview is gtk1, not great |
| 15:28.07 | suppaman | installing qiv |
| 15:28.17 | amphi | what happened to gqview in testing *sniff* ? |
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| 15:29.52 | manju29 | when i run #apt-get install dh-make its displaying me pkg dh-make has no installation candidate. |
| 15:30.13 | manju29 | it is available from other sources.....wats this meaning ?? |
| 15:30.14 | azeem | manju29: what does "apt-cache policy dh-make" say? |
| 15:30.24 | cusco | hi |
| 15:30.38 | cusco | I have a friend asking me how to install mod_logio (apache) on debian |
| 15:30.42 | suppaman | azeem: policy is to see what repository has what package, right? |
| 15:30.49 | manju29 | azeem, its saying E: Invalid operation polict |
| 15:30.57 | suppaman | manju29: and it's right |
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| 15:31.01 | suppaman | policy |
| 15:31.08 | cusco | manju29: policy not polict |
| 15:31.20 | dacs_ | i hit ctrl+Z by mistake while i was in irrsi which cause to stop the application, now when i tried to logback in i got that my nickname is in use |
| 15:31.20 | suppaman | polict bureau |
| 15:31.22 | Danielss89 | hmm \amethyst what is the syntax in the sudoers file? |
| 15:31.25 | azeem | manju29: did I write polict? |
| 15:31.27 | manju29 | dh-make: |
| 15:31.27 | manju29 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.27 | manju29 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.27 | manju29 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:31.35 | Danielss89 | i cant seem to find the right syntax |
| 15:31.38 | amphi | Danielss89: fg irssi |
| 15:31.47 | suppaman | dacs: use fg to put it to front or kill it |
| 15:31.48 | amphi | Danielss89: ETAB |
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| 15:31.53 | suppaman | dacs: try "jobs" too |
| 15:31.56 | manju29 | sorry........ |
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| 15:32.05 | Danielss89 | amphi uhm? |
| 15:32.05 | amphi | dacs_: use fg to foreground irssi again |
| 15:32.09 | \amethyst | manju29: could you pastebin your sources.list |
| 15:32.14 | amphi | Danielss89: misfire |
| 15:32.18 | Danielss89 | ahh ok.. |
| 15:32.20 | manju29 | k...i ll |
| 15:32.29 | suppaman | do you guys use system monitors |
| 15:32.30 | suppaman | ? |
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| 15:32.36 | amphi | gkrellm |
| 15:33.03 | vlt | Hello. I have two "external" internet connections: ppp0 (using PPPoE) and a router on eth0. The default route is set to ppp0. How can I tell the kernel to send answers to IP packets coming in via eth0 via eth0 too. At the moment it's using default route ppp0. |
| 15:33.10 | \amethyst | Danielss89: something like www-date ALL=(mysql) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/mysqlhotcopy |
| 15:33.19 | dacs | wow , that confirm that i am a dumy ...lol |
| 15:33.25 | amphi | heh |
| 15:33.31 | dacs | thank you guys ,heheh |
| 15:33.36 | kiko_ | How can I know what compile options were used in package? |
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| 15:34.07 | manju29 | i pasted my sources.list here http://pastebin.com/mcde0f12 |
| 15:34.14 | \amethyst | kiko_: you could look in the source package, or see if the program provides some way of displaying that. What package are you wondering about |
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| 15:34.59 | akio | suppaman: do you know if there is a way to reverse package installations? |
| 15:35.00 | kiko_ | \amethyst: right now, SBCL. i'd like to know if it compiled with thread support or not. |
| 15:35.16 | pi31415 | I am missing /etc/cron.d/anacron. If I uninstall and reinstall the anacron package, the file is still missing. |
| 15:35.19 | suppaman | akio: "reverse installations" as in removing? |
| 15:35.31 | akio | removing, but based on usage |
| 15:35.34 | akio | like |
| 15:35.59 | akio | lets say i want to remove all the packages i've installed the past few days |
| 15:35.59 | XLV | pi31415, try purge uninstall |
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| 15:36.31 | kiko_ | \amethyst: gonna check source package. thanks! |
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| 15:37.08 | XLV | pi31415, cause normal uninstall leaves config files in place, so if you reinstall package later config is kept, so i guess that in your case, it doesnt install any new config files, for not to overwrite config files already there |
| 15:37.29 | pi31415 | i will try purging |
| 15:37.50 | akio | XLV: do you know what i'm saying? |
| 15:38.42 | nekostar | !exprimental |
| 15:39.16 | XLV | akio, no, dont know of any program to search installed base and find ( and then handles ) packages from a given date and afterwards |
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| 15:39.30 | manju29 | azeem, did u check my sources.list?? |
| 15:39.35 | basti_ | apt always returns "E: Wow, you exceeded the number of descriptions this APT is capable of. |
| 15:39.35 | apt | basti_: I think you lost me on that one |
| 15:39.41 | basti_ | o.0 |
| 15:39.50 | basti_ | i can't do anything meaningful now |
| 15:39.51 | manju29 | azeem, can u tell me why i got tat error?? |
| 15:39.57 | akio | do you know of anything i could do to keep track of them, and maybe do it a little easier than manual package removal? |
| 15:40.32 | Wyzard | akio: aptitude keeps logs (in /var/log/aptitude) of what it installed an uninstalled... if you use that, you could look at the log to see what you installed back to a recent date |
| 15:40.51 | akio | so the logs keep the date in there too? |
| 15:41.04 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 15:41.12 | akio | i'm almost positive someone has written a script to do exactly what i want |
| 15:41.33 | akio | there has to be |
| 15:41.58 | akio | or does that sound like the "wrong way" to do something.... |
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| 15:42.06 | Wyzard | It sounds like an unusual thing to do |
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| 15:42.50 | akio | well, when i used windows, i would use virtual layers or virtual machines to test applications out before i let them install on my main machine |
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| 15:42.56 | heymr | yay! wireless works! :] |
| 15:43.16 | Wyzard | "virtual layers"? |
| 15:43.16 | heymr | now for screen resolution |
| 15:43.20 | akio | of course the packages in the repos are much cleaner |
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| 15:44.10 | akio | virtual layers are just a log of what a certain application has done to your system, you can turn them on and off to make the changes appear or disappear |
| 15:44.10 | Wyzard | afaik Windows doesn't have any features for virtualizing software installation so you can roll back to an earlier state |
| 15:44.12 | heymr | hark: what wast the bots name? |
| 15:44.18 | heymr | dpkg: oh |
| 15:44.18 | dpkg | methinks oh is the admin of linux.Box.sk |
| 15:44.22 | akio | it doesnt |
| 15:44.35 | akio | vista has virtual store but that is a nightmare |
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| 15:44.54 | akio | it virtualizes incompatible software |
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| 15:45.35 | akio | but the idea is to test out applications without having them stay on your system |
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| 15:46.08 | Wyzard | The idea makes sense, and virtual machines (e.g. in VMware) are certainly a good way to accomplish that |
| 15:46.20 | Wyzard | I'm just wondering about this "virtual layers" thing that you say you used in Windows |
| 15:46.21 | akio | that way when im searching through all my files i don't get confused as to what is supposed to be there originally |
| 15:46.52 | akio | check out Altiris software virtualization |
| 15:47.09 | akio | one of my preofessors works at Symantec |
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| 15:47.35 | Wyzard | interesting |
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| 15:47.39 | Wanderer | anyone have a problem where a debian stable box can't rsync a file from ubuntu gutsy box? |
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| 15:47.43 | Wyzard | I don't know of any products like that for Linux though |
| 15:47.43 | Wanderer | when I rsync a file from ubuntu to debian, initiated from debian, I get this: |
| 15:47.45 | Wanderer | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] |
| 15:47.49 | Wanderer | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(600) [receiver=3.0.0] |
| 15:48.02 | akio | also look at vista virtual store, its a good idea but it seriously screws up things |
| 15:48.09 | \amethyst | Wanderer: does your .bashrc on the ubuntu box print anything to the screen? |
| 15:48.09 | heymr | k, so how can I get 1280x768 resolution working with my Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device? |
| 15:48.20 | akio | there has to be |
| 15:48.24 | \amethyst | Wanderer: that can confuse programs like scp and rsync sometimes |
| 15:48.28 | akio | like a snapshot tool |
| 15:48.29 | Wanderer | \amethyst: adon't think so |
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| 15:48.37 | Wanderer | scp works fine, just rsync is broken, I'll verify |
| 15:48.39 | Wyzard | heymr: 915resolution |
| 15:48.58 | heymr | Wyzard: not 855resolution? |
| 15:49.04 | akio | 1280x768? |
| 15:49.10 | akio | that sounds wrong |
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| 15:49.17 | heymr | Wyzard: cuz i tried 915resolution |
| 15:49.23 | akio | don't you mean 1280x800? |
| 15:49.25 | heymr | akio: its correct. trust me ;) |
| 15:49.28 | Wyzard | heymr: no such package, but 915resolution claims to support the 855 |
| 15:49.29 | Wanderer | ssh I get the motd and "WinSCP: this is end-of-file:0" |
| 15:49.37 | heymr | akio: sony vaio here. |
| 15:49.39 | Wanderer | the remote system is set up scponlyc as the shell |
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| 15:50.03 | heymr | Wyzard: i have the package in synaptic... i have some extra repos though |
| 15:50.13 | Wyzard | Wanderer: sounds like scponly is the reason, then |
| 15:50.17 | Wyzard | Wanderer: rsync isn't scp |
| 15:50.26 | akio | i have a 945gm |
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| 15:50.42 | Wanderer | I need a way to lock users out so they can't get in, just rsync |
| 15:50.46 | basti_ | i still got a problem with " Wow, you exceeded the number of descriptions this APT is capable of." on testing - googling didnt help, neither did manual installation of a newer apt |
| 15:50.46 | Ward1983 | im running debian on my pda and i want to make a backup of my complete system, so i can just copy it back to the memorycard if something goes wrong after fiddling around |
| 15:50.47 | Wanderer | well, just rsync and ssh |
| 15:50.51 | Wyzard | heymr: I think there used to be an 855resolution package, but it doesn't seem to exist in etch |
| 15:50.53 | Ward1983 | what would be the best way to do that? |
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| 15:50.54 | basti_ | any help would be appreciated |
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| 15:51.09 | Wanderer | and rsync/scp need to be chrooted |
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| 15:51.17 | akio | heymr: what kind of de? |
| 15:51.27 | Ward1983 | Wanderer, that soundsl ike chinese to me |
| 15:51.35 | Ward1983 | i only know ssh |
| 15:51.37 | Wanderer | on a debian to debian i've been able to rsync using scponly before |
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| 15:51.40 | Ward1983 | from the stuff you said |
| 15:52.44 | Ward1983 | Wanderer, i jsut would like to copy every file on my partition, so i can just move them back, but i dont have the rights for the files on my other machine, how do i tell the desktop the password so it can copy the files? |
| 15:52.56 | Ward1983 | by the way my desktop runs ubuntu and the pda is running debian |
| 15:53.11 | Wanderer | WormFood: I think we're on different topics, let me read what you were saying |
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| 15:53.21 | heymr | Wyzard: oh ok |
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| 15:53.31 | Wyzard | Ward1983: You don't know the password for your account on your PDA? |
| 15:53.43 | heymr | Wyzard: k, i put what i needed in /etc/defaults/915resolution |
| 15:53.49 | Wanderer | yeah, without the account/passwd, you can't overwrite the files |
| 15:53.50 | akio2 | how do i ghost my name again? |
| 15:53.50 | heymr | akio: Gnome |
| 15:53.51 | Ward1983 | Wyzard, offcourse i do lol |
| 15:53.55 | Wanderer | basically you need the root pw for the remote machine |
| 15:54.10 | akio2 | ah |
| 15:54.17 | Ward1983 | Wyzard, i put my sd card into my desktop, i want to copy the files, i have no rights, i know my paszssoword but cant tell the pc |
| 15:54.24 | Wanderer | so you want to : rsync -av root@remote_machine:/ /home/<me>/remote_machine/ |
| 15:54.28 | Ward1983 | how do i GIVE it to the PC so it can copy the files |
| 15:54.35 | akio | ok |
| 15:54.44 | Wanderer | that will copy all the files from the remote machine into the path "/home/<me>/remote_machine/" |
| 15:54.48 | Ward1983 | Wanderer, but i want ALL files not just the home dit |
| 15:54.50 | Ward1983 | dir |
| 15:55.18 | danand | Ward1983 - why not just use dd to create an image of the disk? |
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| 15:55.27 | Ward1983 | aaaah oops sorry, i read wrong, the line broke because of my window size |
| 15:55.35 | akio | heymr: have you tried reconfiguring xserver? |
| 15:55.48 | Ward1983 | danand, hmmm that sounds effective, might take a while on pda though |
| 15:56.03 | danand | Ward1983 - how big is the disk? |
| 15:56.16 | Ward1983 | danand, not so lqrge but its a PDAm its just slow :) |
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| 15:56.21 | Ward1983 | a few 100MB |
| 15:57.01 | danand | Ward1983 - that shouldn't take _too_ long :) |
| 15:57.23 | Wanderer | Ward1983: my command will copy everything from the root directory "/" on the remote machine to your home/remote_machine on the local machine |
| 15:57.27 | Wanderer | you need the root pw though |
| 15:57.29 | akio | heymr: what was that resolution again? and chipset? |
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| 15:58.21 | Ward1983 | Wanderer, still the image is just a nicer way to do it IMO |
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| 15:59.48 | Wanderer | Ward1983: how are you going to image one machine to another? |
| 16:00.07 | Ward1983 | Wanderer, i image it to itself en then copy the image... |
| 16:00.35 | akio | Wyzard: check out flyback-project |
| 16:00.36 | heymr | akio: sorry, just noticed my touchpad is slooow, was fixing xorg with synaptics options |
| 16:00.45 | akio | k |
| 16:01.10 | akio | sounds like your res option is not available in x or de? |
| 16:01.18 | akio | gnome* |
| 16:01.19 | Wyzard | Ward1983: You can't make a disk image of something to itself |
| 16:01.23 | Ward1983 | Wanderer, ill do both, so i know both ways :) |
| 16:01.25 | heymr | akio: chipset= 855gm, resolution= 1280x768, i would rather not use 915resolution patch. in ARchLinux I just used the xorg "intel" driver |
| 16:01.31 | hermes` | yo |
| 16:01.33 | Ward1983 | Wyzard, yes i can |
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| 16:01.47 | Ward1983 | Wyzard, i have another card slot lol |
| 16:01.50 | Wyzard | ah |
| 16:01.53 | akio | why not 915? |
| 16:01.55 | hermes` | I'll find out |
| 16:01.59 | heymr | akio: xorg.conf read 1280x768, but i have black bars on the sies of my screen |
| 16:02.04 | akio | are you using intel driver? |
| 16:02.33 | heymr | akio: well yes, but its called i810. this is outdated and should be replaced by "intel" (in arch) |
| 16:02.50 | Wyzard | heymr: The "intel" driver isn't in etch |
| 16:02.51 | akio | are you using etch? |
| 16:02.54 | Wanderer | hah |
| 16:02.56 | Wanderer | NICE |
| 16:03.03 | Wyzard | heymr: testing/unstable have the newer xorg with the intel driver |
| 16:03.18 | Wanderer | sorry, wrong channeel |
| 16:03.38 | akio | unfortunately heymr you will need to search for a backport or upgrade |
| 16:03.56 | heymr | Wyzard: i'm sorry, how do I enable testing? everything was so simple in Arch :P. to I add testing in the source list or is it a whole nother repo? |
| 16:04.18 | akio | its best to reinstall as lenny |
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| 16:04.25 | Wyzard | heymr: Change "stable" or "etch" in sources.list to "testing" or "lenny" |
| 16:04.34 | Wyzard | heymr: then apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:04.46 | heymr | Wyzard: hmm, ok |
| 16:04.47 | akio | soo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:05.01 | heymr | akio: lol ;) i've edited it before |
| 16:05.02 | akio | have to do it as root |
| 16:05.20 | heymr | wow, a dist-upgrade, huh? |
| 16:05.22 | heymr | so i am using etch |
| 16:05.30 | heymr | lenny is testing and is coming out soon...? |
| 16:05.38 | akio | im so happy i know what im doing its embarrassing |
| 16:05.47 | danand | Monk-e - gravity pulls to the center of the mass... centrifugal forces cause the earth to bulge slightly at the equator |
| 16:05.48 | Eulex_ | well, perhaps not soon, but lenny will be the next stable |
| 16:05.52 | Wyzard | heymr: and be aware that you're moving away from the officially-supported release (but if you're used to Arch this isn't really any different) |
| 16:05.52 | danand | oops |
| 16:06.14 | heymr | Wyzard: yeah ;) |
| 16:06.17 | Wyzard | heymr: lenny is testing, but it isn't close to being released afaik |
| 16:06.19 | akio | im doing the same thing heymr, i want newer packages for compiz-fusion |
| 16:06.19 | Eulex_ | heymr, it's set for sept 2008 |
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| 16:06.47 | heymr | akio: if you like cutting edge check out arch bro |
| 16:06.58 | akio | i don't like cutting edge |
| 16:07.03 | heymr | Eulex_: lenny is huh? |
| 16:07.04 | heymr | ok |
| 16:07.10 | akio | it goes against me learning the right way to do things |
| 16:07.10 | Wyzard | heymr: If you like cutting-edge, there's also "unstable" (aka "sid") |
| 16:07.11 | Eulex_ | heymr, yeah |
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| 16:07.22 | heymr | akio: oh sorry. how about, simple, stable fast AND cutting edge ;) |
| 16:07.30 | akio | i keep breaking things and i get frustrated |
| 16:07.31 | Wyzard | heymr: New packages go into unstable, and move to testing after a period of time (a few days) without any major bugs being found |
| 16:07.39 | akio | i push it |
| 16:07.42 | akio | too hard |
| 16:07.52 | Eulex_ | heymr, "cutting edge" and "simple and stable" do not match. |
| 16:07.56 | Eulex_ | *mix |
| 16:07.58 | Wyzard | heymr: Despite the name, it's pretty usable for a personal system if you know what you're doing -- I've been running unstable for years |
| 16:08.05 | roxazer | how can i do so my hostame becomes somethin.something.com instead of something@something ? |
| 16:08.06 | akio | i start recompiling things until my kernel panics |
| 16:08.15 | heymr | Eulex_: how so? |
| 16:08.20 | heymr | :P |
| 16:08.25 | heymr | lets start a flam war!! |
| 16:08.27 | heymr | woohoo |
| 16:08.32 | heymr | *flame |
| 16:08.37 | akio | careful |
| 16:08.55 | akio | i like penguins |
| 16:08.59 | heymr | Wyzard: your talking about sid or lenny? |
| 16:09.04 | heymr | haha, right on |
| 16:09.07 | Eulex_ | heymr, because that means that the software has not been thoroughly tested. |
| 16:09.26 | Wyzard | heymr: sid |
| 16:09.41 | heymr | Eulex_: ah yes, and debian devs take forever to put things in the repos, testing, testing, testing.... |
| 16:09.42 | akio | Wyzard: you run sid without issues? |
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| 16:10.07 | XLV | heymr, you could try unstable, or some other distrib based on deb ( eg ubuntu ) that places faster newer versions into stable |
| 16:10.08 | akio | what do you mean know what you are doing? |
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| 16:10.22 | Wyzard | akio: Issues come up occasionally, but on the whole it's OK |
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| 16:10.31 | Eulex_ | heymr, which makes it stable. they don't take forever to put it into the repos though; stuff is usually available from unstable pretty quickly. for stable: not so. |
| 16:10.43 | Eulex_ | heymr, anyway, I'd avoid sid if I was new to debian |
| 16:10.47 | akio | what kind of issues have you had? |
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| 16:11.04 | Wyzard | akio: basically, being experienced enough to deal with problems when they do arise |
| 16:11.09 | akio | debian is dead simple |
| 16:11.11 | manju29 | azeem, did u check my sources.list ??? |
| 16:11.20 | azeem | yeah, it's wrong |
| 16:11.28 | azeem | you don't have a general stable line |
| 16:11.36 | Lagbolt | i dont know about avoiding it. . . it depends on the person. i hated stable when i started, everything was old. as long as you have time and dont mind google search from time to time sid was never tha tbad for me |
| 16:11.42 | Eulex_ | !sid |
| 16:11.42 | dpkg | well, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 16:11.43 | heymr | Eulex_: ok, no sid for me. so why is there sidux? |
| 16:11.46 | Wyzard | akio: For example, I use full-disk encryption, and a few months ago there was a bug in mkinitramfs which produced broken initramfs images |
| 16:11.49 | akio | Wyzard: i mean like what, i'm not nearly experienced enough to say that i know what the hell i'm doing |
| 16:12.00 | akio | ahh |
| 16:12.02 | akio | ok |
| 16:12.03 | Wyzard | akio: My initramfs got replaced with a non-working one due to a kernel upgrade |
| 16:12.03 | Eulex_ | heymr, no idea, but it's not part of debian. |
| 16:12.13 | heymr | Eulex_: I totally agree ;) thats whay i switched. for the stability |
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| 16:12.19 | PSyKO | hi all |
| 16:12.23 | PSyKO | someone got asus eee pc? |
| 16:12.23 | heymr | Eulex_: yeah. its a live cd |
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| 16:12.35 | Wyzard | akio: and I didn't discover this fact until I rebooted (weeks later) and the initramfs didn't work |
| 16:12.37 | heymr | PSyKO: google has one with debian running on it |
| 16:12.52 | akio | with disk encryption, do you have a hardware assisted one? |
| 16:13.22 | Wyzard | akio: By that point the mkinitramfs bug had already been fixed, but I needed to generate a new working initramfs with it... so I had to boot from a CD (I used an Ubuntu liveCD), manually unlock and mount my encrypted Debian installation, chroot to it, and run mkinitramfs |
| 16:13.27 | Eulex_ | heymr, debian doesn't have any official live-cd yet, but there's one being worked on. |
| 16:13.41 | Wyzard | akio: Being able to deal with things like that are what I mean by "know what you're doing" |
| 16:13.42 | Nyle | buckethead0, unofficial ones are a plenty |
| 16:13.45 | Nyle | hi |
| 16:13.52 | XLV | heymr, sidux is debian unstable a little more polished maybe, but i wouldnt count on it |
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| 16:14.00 | akio | i have only chrooted for one purpose |
| 16:14.02 | manju29 | can any1 tell me in what repository dh-make is in debian?? |
| 16:14.03 | heymr | XLV: oky |
| 16:14.07 | akio | to install gentoo |
| 16:14.08 | Nyle | manju29, main |
| 16:14.11 | heymr | Eulex_: thats cool :) |
| 16:14.15 | akio | and that was nough for me |
| 16:14.17 | azeem | manju29: 18:09 < azeem> yeah, it's wrong |
| 16:14.20 | Nyle | !info dh-make |
| 16:14.23 | dpkg | dh-make: (tool that converts source archives into Debian package source), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.44 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 352 kB |
| 16:14.29 | azeem | Nyle: the issue is well understood |
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| 16:14.41 | Nyle | azeem, hi |
| 16:14.44 | Nyle | which issue? |
| 16:14.51 | heymr | Eulex_: fyi, my wireless card seems to work better in debian dude ;) |
| 16:14.52 | azeem | the dh-make issue |
| 16:14.57 | heymr | more STABLE |
| 16:14.59 | Nyle | I've no idea mate |
| 16:15.06 | azeem | that's why I'm telling |
| 16:15.07 | manju29 | then when i say #apt-get install dh-make its saying there is no installation candidate for dh-make |
| 16:15.07 | azeem | you |
| 16:15.12 | Nyle | I have not been into debian for a few weeks now, I have not even used a pc :) |
| 16:15.16 | azeem | manju29: because your sources.list is WRONG |
| 16:15.17 | Nyle | thanks |
| 16:15.20 | Eulex_ | heymr, stable makes a great server os. for a home desktop os, I'd recommdn playing with stable until you know your way around, then try testing (which imho makes a great home desktop os and breaks far less often than unstable; however some packages are currently not available) |
| 16:15.20 | manju29 | y is it saying like tat |
| 16:15.22 | akio | someone once told me that he doesn't even use a initramfs |
| 16:15.23 | azeem | manju29: please pay attention to what people tell you |
| 16:15.35 | manju29 | can u provide me t correct sources list |
| 16:15.51 | azeem | manju29: replace unstable with stable on that line about octave and run apt-get update |
| 16:16.05 | manju29 | azeem, thanks...... |
| 16:16.07 | akio | Wyzard: do you have hardware assisted encryption? |
| 16:16.10 | Wyzard | akio: On many systems it's not strictly necessary, but Debian's packaged kernels are built to require one so that they don't have to compile lots of drivers into the kernel itself |
| 16:16.11 | Nyle | manju29, /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 16:16.30 | Nyle | azeem, btw, what happened with dh-make anyway? |
| 16:16.30 | akio | i have also heard that software encryption is slow |
| 16:16.34 | Wyzard | akio: It's necessary for full-disk encryption, though, as well as root-on-RAID or root-on-LVM |
| 16:16.36 | azeem | Nyle: nothing |
| 16:16.44 | Nyle | alright then :) |
| 16:16.45 | Eulex_ | manju29, what do you need dh-make for? |
| 16:16.52 | azeem | manju29 just has a wrong sources.list |
| 16:16.56 | Wyzard | akio: It's not that slow |
| 16:16.56 | Nyle | ahhh |
| 16:17.07 | manju29 | i am trying 2 create deb pkg for t app i created...... |
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| 16:17.15 | Nyle | manju29, you created an app? |
| 16:17.22 | heymr | Eulex_: it was my first linux distro..back when i was like 15 or something. we installed samba and had a hey day. ping IP's was the funnest stuff. |
| 16:17.24 | Nyle | manju29, what does it do? |
| 16:17.31 | heymr | *hay day |
| 16:17.35 | akio | so i guess that is one reason why debian usu boots faster? |
| 16:17.45 | Wyzard | akio: What is? |
| 16:17.46 | manju29 | i used pygtk and created a gui for octave...... |
| 16:17.58 | akio | the drivers aren't loaded into the kernel |
| 16:18.04 | manju29 | but its in its initial stages...... |
| 16:18.04 | heymr | ok, so in sources.list I should have deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free ? |
| 16:18.05 | Nyle | manju29, oh ok, what is octave? a music app? |
| 16:18.07 | akio | ALL of them |
| 16:18.12 | azeem | Nyle: FGI |
| 16:18.14 | Wyzard | akio: I don't think that makes a significant difference in boot time |
| 16:18.20 | Nyle | azeem, lazy |
| 16:18.21 | Nyle | :( |
| 16:18.23 | azeem | Nyle: it's math |
| 16:18.30 | amphi | akio: they aren't on any distro |
| 16:18.35 | Nyle | oh thought you meant 'fucking google it' fgi |
| 16:18.35 | manju29 | no its a tool for solving complex mathematical operations |
| 16:18.37 | Wyzard | akio: And Debian isn't unique in using initramfs to avoid having to build all the drivers into the kernel... pretty much all distros do that |
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| 16:18.39 | akio | what i mean is fedora boots last forever by default |
| 16:18.44 | azeem | Nyle: I did, but then I told you anyway |
| 16:18.48 | Nyle | heh ok |
| 16:18.48 | akio | why? |
| 16:18.52 | manju29 | its an alternative for MATLAB |
| 16:18.57 | heymr | now I have etch sarge and lenny in my aources.list...er..is that bad? |
| 16:18.58 | Wyzard | akio: That's because Fedora runs a lot of services by default |
| 16:19.02 | manju29 | i hope u all kw abt matlab |
| 16:19.10 | akio | yeah |
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| 16:19.12 | azeem | manju29: it's proprietary software |
| 16:19.12 | Nyle | I try not to know |
| 16:19.32 | heymr | yayaya? is ok? |
| 16:19.34 | Wyzard | heymr: That's harmless... apt will automatically use the newest available version of a package (e.g. the lenny one) |
| 16:19.35 | Nyle | I fought my college about online math classes and users must have windows in order to use it |
| 16:19.36 | heymr | :d |
| 16:19.44 | Eulex_ | heymr, not really, just be aware that apt-get will install stuff from lenny by default and that upgrades will be to lenny. |
| 16:19.44 | XLV | manju29, http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide |
| 16:19.46 | heymr | Wyzard: k thnx |
| 16:19.48 | Nyle | I didn' thave windows, and thier damn active x bullshit don't work on deb |
| 16:19.59 | heymr | Wyzard: should I add testing to one of them? |
| 16:20.14 | Wyzard | heymr: "testing" and "lenny" are the same thing currently |
| 16:20.17 | Eulex_ | heymr, lenny is the current testing |
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| 16:20.22 | akio | is there an easy gui for samba in debian? |
| 16:20.29 | Nyle | akio, not at all |
| 16:20.37 | Wyzard | heymr: When lenny is released later this year, "lenny" will continue to be lenny and "testing" will be whatever comes after lenny |
| 16:20.41 | heymr | so I could just add testing to my arge repo |
| 16:20.43 | Eulex_ | akio, accessing? configuring the server? or what? |
| 16:20.44 | Nyle | akio, best to use the editor of text and edit the file of /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 16:20.47 | akio | fedora it works and im an idiot |
| 16:20.59 | Wyzard | heymr: It's up to you whether you want to continue running testing at that point, or stick with the now-stable lenny release |
| 16:21.00 | akio | is that mountpoints? |
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| 16:21.16 | Nyle | editor of text |
| 16:21.21 | Nyle | god im on crack, text editor |
| 16:21.24 | Eulex_ | akio, so, you mean to mount it? |
| 16:21.31 | akio | not necessarily |
| 16:21.35 | amphi | Nyle: hehe |
| 16:21.38 | Nyle | amphi, hi |
| 16:21.38 | akio | never been in smb.conf |
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| 16:21.49 | vchrizz | hi, ive got a sata disk at /dev/sda and when i plug in my usb-stick storage, usually i access it via /dev/sda, but since i got sata disk, i dont know which device it gets? |
| 16:21.57 | Eulex_ | akio, both konqueror and nautilus have ways of reading a samba share. |
| 16:22.04 | Miesco | Whats the latest kernel release for lenny? |
| 16:22.09 | Nyle | kde has samba configuration utils |
| 16:22.10 | akio | what about thunar? |
| 16:22.10 | Eulex_ | akio, uh, smb.conf is for the server, you wanted just to access a share, right? |
| 16:22.14 | Nyle | try smb4k |
| 16:22.20 | Nyle | as a clientside smb |
| 16:22.20 | akio | correct |
| 16:22.21 | Eulex_ | akio, it can access them if you mount it. |
| 16:22.22 | amphi | vchrizz: look in your log; sdb probably |
| 16:22.28 | Nyle | smb:// |
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| 16:22.38 | Eulex_ | akio, I'd recommend smbfs |
| 16:22.55 | Nyle | Eulex_, smb4k is a gui for samba clients in kde |
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| 16:23.04 | akio | that with dependencies gives me samba access? |
| 16:23.05 | Nyle | it can use smbfs and mount too |
| 16:23.06 | Stroganoff | any idea why xdm is quite broken in ubuntu hardy (upcoming release?) |
| 16:23.13 | manju29 | azeem,yes matlab is proprietary software........octave is an alternative for matlab in free sw domain |
| 16:23.17 | Nyle | Stroganoff, ask #ubuntu |
| 16:23.18 | vchrizz | amphi: tried that already, even sdc and sdd .. i see it in lsusb -v but i dont see through which devicename i can access it..? |
| 16:23.19 | Wyzard | Stroganoff: Ask #ubuntu |
| 16:23.21 | amphi | Stroganoff: ECHAN |
| 16:23.22 | Eulex_ | Nyle, ok, but he wanted to access them with thunar |
| 16:23.27 | Eulex_ | akio, yes. |
| 16:23.27 | Stroganoff | yeah give it to me |
| 16:23.31 | Nyle | Eulex_, that probably won't happen |
| 16:23.34 | Stroganoff | wouldn't have guessed THAT |
| 16:23.39 | Nyle | thunar is not yet completed |
| 16:23.45 | akio | nope, but i love it |
| 16:23.50 | Eulex_ | Nyle, uh, it is happening. if you mount it. |
| 16:23.52 | amphi | vchrizz: do tail -f /var/log/syslog and then insert it |
| 16:23.56 | Wyzard | Stroganoff: Well, as an actual answer to your question, no, we don't know |
| 16:23.58 | akio | it makes so much sense to me because it's simple |
| 16:24.04 | Nyle | Eulex_, no I meant it is n't as sophisticated as konq |
| 16:24.05 | zinx | ugh wtf |
| 16:24.12 | akio | when i first saw a full KDE I almost choked |
| 16:24.15 | Nyle | Eulex_, smb:// etc. didn't work in thunart last i checked |
| 16:24.21 | Eulex_ | Nyle, right. |
| 16:24.34 | vchrizz | amphi: these are the only two lines from syslog: |
| 16:24.34 | Akuw | i am trying to install an app, but i get this error ----> configure: error: *** zlib missing - please install first or check config.log *** |
| 16:24.37 | vchrizz | Apr 6 18:08:27 kate kernel: [661619.996581] usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 |
| 16:24.37 | vchrizz | Apr 6 18:08:27 kate kernel: [661620.114531] usb 1-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 16:24.40 | Eulex_ | Nyle, but you don't need that to access an smb share. |
| 16:24.43 | azeem | Akuw: which app? |
| 16:24.54 | Nyle | Eulex_, I know that, but does akio ? |
| 16:25.04 | akio | I don't |
| 16:25.05 | Akuw | vnc2swf |
| 16:25.24 | Eulex_ | heh, well |
| 16:25.30 | vchrizz | amphi: dmesg shows: |
| 16:25.33 | akio | i actually can't follow your discourse completely |
| 16:25.34 | vchrizz | [661619.996581] usb 1-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 |
| 16:25.34 | vchrizz | [661620.114531] usb 1-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 16:25.38 | amphi | vchrizz: /var/log/messages has anything>? |
| 16:25.42 | Nyle | start over |
| 16:25.43 | enouf | ubuntu! |
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| 16:25.45 | heymr | akio: could you do me a favor and pastebin your source.list? :P |
| 16:25.48 | Nyle | !wayttd akio |
| 16:25.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, akio? |
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| 16:26.05 | akio | its the default etch |
| 16:26.05 | Eulex_ | akio, smbfs enables you to mount all available smb shares into a directory. you can then access them through that directory. |
| 16:26.10 | wolfsbane | Ok, so I have sablevm....what exactly is that doing? |
| 16:26.12 | vchrizz | amphi: /var/log/messages shows the same two lines like syslog |
| 16:26.15 | heymr | i'm getting all these errors after apt-get updat |
| 16:26.24 | azeem | Akuw: is this from http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/vnc2swf/pyvnc2swf.html ? |
| 16:26.29 | Eulex_ | akio, you won't be able to do smb://blah with it, though |
| 16:26.35 | Nyle | heymr, /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 16:26.38 | akio | cool |
| 16:26.44 | heymr | Nyle: k |
| 16:26.45 | Akuw | from here http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/#downloading |
| 16:26.53 | amphi | vchrizz: usb_storage module is loaded? |
| 16:27.08 | deadcat | how do i get a random number in a function for bash? |
| 16:27.22 | vchrizz | amphi: i can remember when i used more than 8disks, i had to use mknod to create the device.. maybe i need that now too? |
| 16:27.27 | intr80_ | Anybody know how to find out what the negotiataed speed of my network? |
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| 16:27.37 | azeem | Akuw: the python or the C version? |
| 16:27.47 | Akuw | C |
| 16:27.52 | azeem | Akuw: the python version is available in debian testing, you can backport it to stable |
| 16:27.55 | akio | so konq and naut understand smb:\ or whatever and thunar doesn't |
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| 16:28.03 | Akuw | hummmm |
| 16:28.10 | Akuw | what repo i need to use? |
| 16:28.12 | amphi | vchrizz: udev should deal with it IMHO; I've never had close to eight disks |
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| 16:28.20 | azeem | Akuw: are you running stable? |
| 16:28.28 | akio | so i would use smbfs "commands" then they would appear in a folder |
| 16:28.29 | Akuw | etch 4.0 |
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| 16:28.33 | vchrizz | amphi: oh, what a shame... got selfcompiled kernel and forgot whole usb support :P |
| 16:28.34 | azeem | so yes |
| 16:28.38 | Akuw | r3 |
| 16:28.44 | amphi | vchrizz: ah ;) |
| 16:28.56 | azeem | Akuw: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 16:29.07 | amphi | a hand-sloptimized kernel ;) |
| 16:29.11 | vchrizz | amphi: just wondering why lsmod | grep usb nothing shows... ;) |
| 16:29.49 | vchrizz | well, thanks for your help though, gotta reconfigure my kernel ;) |
| 16:30.04 | heymr | gosh |
| 16:30.06 | Akuw | what is the uri to sid? |
| 16:30.07 | heymr | a lotta errors |
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| 16:31.31 | Eulex_ | Akuw, there is no 'one uri', you should pick a mirror that is near to you. |
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| 16:32.09 | heymr | what is the current stable version, etch? |
| 16:32.33 | heymr | nm |
| 16:32.36 | heymr | sarge |
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| 16:32.54 | Eulex_ | heymr, eh, no, it's etch. |
| 16:33.03 | Eulex_ | sarge is oldstable. |
| 16:33.11 | heymr | Eulex_: ok |
| 16:33.15 | heymr | Eulex_: so... |
| 16:33.22 | heymr | I need to do a dist upgrade |
| 16:33.30 | azeem | you need to read the release notes |
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| 16:33.38 | Eulex_ | heymr, from sarge to etch? |
| 16:33.44 | heymr | Eulex_: yes |
| 16:33.58 | Akuw | the stable is Etch |
| 16:33.58 | Symbi0nt | I'm using Putty to get access to my debian shell. It seems that my shell is using UTF8 for output and (maybe) putty displays it wrong. Can someone give me a hint how to correct this? |
| 16:34.02 | Eulex_ | heymr, as azeem said, read the release notes, they detail it |
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| 16:34.24 | \amethyst | Symbi0nt: go into the putty options, Translation, and select UTF-8 there |
| 16:34.26 | heymr | Eulex_: ok |
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| 16:34.42 | akio | Nyle: is there a way to browse shares? |
| 16:34.53 | Symbi0nt | \amethyst thank you |
| 16:35.15 | Eulex_ | heymr, for sarge->etch, it's unfortunately not just a simple apt-get dist-upgrade. but the release notes have step-to-step instructions. |
| 16:35.18 | heymr | so I can have testing in etch |
| 16:35.27 | azeem | heymr: that doesn't make sense |
| 16:35.27 | heymr | Eulex_: crap |
| 16:35.33 | azeem | heymr: what |
| 16:35.47 | azeem | upgrade to etch first, ask further questions when you've finished |
| 16:35.58 | heymr | azeem: oky :) |
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| 16:36.06 | heymr | sorry everyone! |
| 16:36.16 | Eulex_ | heymr, if you want to go from sarge to lenny, you'll first have to upgrade from sarge to etch, then from etch to lenny. |
| 16:36.19 | heymr | man... i guess the cd was old |
| 16:36.27 | heymr | Eulex_: yup |
| 16:36.28 | heymr | ok |
| 16:36.35 | facedown | how can i upgrade my alsa drivers? i already have 1.0.12rc1 installed but i need 1.0.16 and im fairly new |
| 16:36.37 | facedown | im on debiain etch |
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| 16:36.50 | facedown | if i do apt-get or aptitude it says i have the newest version but its from 2006.. alsa drivers |
| 16:36.58 | wolfsbane | I'm trying to install LimeWire, b ut it has several dependencies for Java and I can't figur out how to get them. |
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| 16:37.04 | Eulex_ | heymr, your problem was the i810 driver, right? I'd suggest checking whether it works on etch when you've upgraded to it. |
| 16:37.14 | Eulex_ | !tell wolfsbane about java |
| 16:37.17 | heymr | Eulex_: okay. |
| 16:37.34 | akio | use frostwire instead |
| 16:37.42 | wolfsbane | frostwire? |
| 16:37.43 | Stroganoff | whats the bash command to find out which distro i'm using? |
| 16:37.50 | akio | yep |
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| 16:37.59 | wolfsbane | where do I get it from? |
| 16:38.00 | akio | same devs |
| 16:38.04 | akio | google |
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| 16:38.12 | akio | it might be in repo |
| 16:38.13 | Eulex_ | !tell Stroganoff about version |
| 16:38.16 | Absolute0 | Is it possible to make 'find' find all files of the same type? |
| 16:38.30 | Absolute0 | ie: images would search for *jpg *png etc. |
| 16:38.45 | Absolute0 | -type only has files/dirs and the like |
| 16:38.52 | Eulex_ | Absolute0, -iname "*.jpg"? |
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| 16:39.14 | Eulex_ | there's a way of combining several -iname too, but I don't remember it |
| 16:39.18 | Absolute0 | Eulex_: I want all types of images not just one. |
| 16:39.20 | akio | wolfsbane: they have debs |
| 16:39.27 | Eulex_ | Absolute0, define 'image' |
| 16:39.30 | wolfsbane | sweet |
| 16:39.36 | azeem | akio: who is "they"? |
| 16:39.41 | Absolute0 | Eulex_: something that gimp can open :) |
| 16:39.44 | akio | the frostwire devs |
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| 16:39.58 | azeem | akio: please don't recommend random 3rd party repositories to users |
| 16:40.05 | akio | ok |
| 16:40.17 | akio | he was trying to install limewire and java |
| 16:40.23 | Symbi0nt | when I set up an ftp and a user and they shall have acces r/w to an directory who needs what right to do so? does the directory needs the group of the ftp deamon or the user? |
| 16:40.37 | akio | frostwire was made by the limewire devs and they made debs for it |
| 16:40.47 | Eulex_ | Absolute0, is something that has the 'wrong' file extension from what it should an image? :) but anyway, there's no 'simple automated' way from the command line, you'll have to do it yourself. |
| 16:41.04 | BadRobot | hi there |
| 16:41.19 | facedown | anyone? how to upgrade alsa drivers if i have old version installed? |
| 16:41.23 | Absolute0 | Eulex_: I just want grap some images for this program that I am writing and I have no clue where too look for them. |
| 16:41.24 | akio | and it wasn't a repository |
| 16:42.01 | Eulex_ | Absolute0, what kind of image? |
| 16:42.03 | BadRobot | i need some help to install Debian,i have other distro on my HDD,i have a separated /home partition,and a partition for / mount point.So how do i install Debian w/o touching my /home? |
| 16:42.24 | wolfsbane | wow, frostwire was so easy to install |
| 16:42.26 | Eulex_ | BadRobot, you tell the installer to not do so. |
| 16:42.28 | azeem | BadRobot: write down which partition your /home is on, and don't let d-i touch it during install |
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| 16:42.56 | akio | wolfsbane: it looks like you will still need java |
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| 16:43.01 | TCossuto | !nvidia |
| 16:43.01 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 16:43.03 | Eulex_ | BadRobot, you can make debian use the same /home partition, or create a new one; whichever you want. |
| 16:43.09 | wolfsbane | It installed without it |
| 16:43.19 | akio | cool |
| 16:43.20 | Eulex_ | wolfsbane, so? |
| 16:43.20 | Absolute0 | Eulex_: If I knew then my question would be pointless. Woudln't it? :) |
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| 16:44.13 | Eulex_ | Absolute0, I'd suggest looking in /usr/share/icons and /usr/share/pixmaps, as I assume that you need icons? |
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| 16:45.35 | BadRobot | yep,Eulex that what i mean,i which to use the same partition,so is it possible? |
| 16:45.40 | BadRobot | how do i do that? |
| 16:45.57 | Eulex_ | BadRobot, you tell the installer to do so in the partitioner. :) |
| 16:46.00 | BadRobot | *sorry i mean = I wish |
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| 16:47.20 | Eulex_ | BadRobot, note that you'll have to choose 'custom' or whatever the option is named when you're at the partition step; that is, you do not want it to partition it for you. |
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| 16:47.53 | facedown | uhm. is linux-source-2.6.18 necessary to run debian? |
| 16:48.00 | Eulex_ | uh, no? |
| 16:48.02 | facedown | or kernel-package? |
| 16:48.16 | facedown | some package just uninstalled those |
| 16:48.36 | Wyzard | facedown: Those are used for compiling custom kernels |
| 16:48.43 | facedown | ah |
| 16:48.52 | facedown | whats the right way to uninstall something? |
| 16:48.56 | facedown | via aptitude? |
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| 16:49.02 | facedown | if i installed it from aptitude that is |
| 16:49.08 | Wyzard | facedown: aptitude remove foo |
| 16:49.14 | facedown | i got rid of alsa and im gonna try installing it from source |
| 16:49.25 | Wyzard | facedown: or in aptitude's interactive mode, highlight it and press '-' (for remove) or '_' (for purge) |
| 16:49.31 | facedown | yeah thats what i did the - |
| 16:49.34 | Wyzard | facedown: alsa isn't a program |
| 16:49.35 | Eulex_ | facedown, uh, why? |
| 16:49.40 | Wyzard | facedown: What exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| 16:49.40 | facedown | because it had old drivers |
| 16:49.52 | facedown | and i didnt know how to update them single handedly |
| 16:49.56 | Eulex_ | facedown, the alsa drivers are part of your kernel. |
| 16:50.11 | facedown | hm |
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| 16:50.31 | Eulex_ | facedown, you _could_ replace the ones in your current kernel, but you'd probably be much better off just getting a newer kernel. |
| 16:50.38 | facedown | is that hard to do? |
| 16:50.55 | facedown | is it equivalent to a reformat? |
| 16:50.56 | akio | Wyzard: is there a problem interchanging apt-get and aptitude? |
| 16:50.57 | Eulex_ | facedown, backports.org has a 2.6.22 kernel for etch x86. |
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| 16:51.08 | facedown | what command can i use to update it? |
| 16:51.09 | Eulex_ | facedown, it's equivalent to installing another package. |
| 16:51.13 | facedown | oh |
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| 16:51.26 | Wyzard | akio: Not really, but etch's version of apt-get doesn't support the "auto" flags that aptitude does |
| 16:51.27 | Eulex_ | facedown, read the instructions at backports.org. |
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| 16:51.37 | facedown | i have backports in my sources.list |
| 16:51.37 | akio | auto... |
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| 16:51.40 | facedown | so ilil try aptitude |
| 16:51.40 | basti_ | how can i tell apt-get to install only a package given on the CL |
| 16:51.41 | basti_ | ? |
| 16:52.03 | Eulex_ | basti_, uh, you mean to not install dependencies? |
| 16:52.10 | Eulex_ | you don't do that. |
| 16:52.10 | wolfsbane | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.20 | basti_ | no i mean |
| 16:52.25 | facedown | how can i see the current version of my kernel? |
| 16:52.29 | basti_ | i did an "apt-get upgrade" |
| 16:52.29 | qubodup | hey there, I want to install sun-java5-plugin, but it depends on xulrunner-1.9 but there is only xulrunner. what do I do in those cases? I'm using sid. |
| 16:52.31 | Eulex_ | facedown, uname -ar |
| 16:52.32 | Deezire | apt-get install <package> |
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| 16:52.39 | facedown | 2.6.18-6 mm |
| 16:52.53 | facedown | so what would th ename be of what package i want to ge then? |
| 16:52.59 | facedown | i see linux-image-2.6 |
| 16:53.08 | vjoe | hey |
| 16:53.11 | Eulex_ | qubodup, where did you find that package? |
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| 16:53.25 | vjoe | i want to download virtualbox from the virtualbox repository and not from the debian's repositor |
| 16:53.28 | vjoe | how can I do it |
| 16:53.31 | qubodup | Eulex_: well in the sid repo |
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| 16:53.40 | qubodup | nothing external |
| 16:53.41 | Eulex_ | qubodup, and you're on sid? |
| 16:53.42 | basti_ | apt-get upgrade broke /var/lib/dpkg status |
| 16:53.45 | qubodup | yes |
| 16:53.45 | facedown | linux-image-2.6.22-4-486 .. is this what i want to get? |
| 16:54.04 | basti_ | the .old backup of that file doesnt help either |
| 16:54.17 | Deezire | facedown: Preferrably 686, if you have a ~new system. |
| 16:54.25 | Eulex_ | qubodup, it appears to be broken, yes. you get to keep the pieces, though. file a bug report. |
| 16:54.27 | basti_ | now i'm trying to somehow circumnavigate that by recompiling APT with a different constant somewhere or something |
| 16:54.29 | facedown | mine is a lenovo laptop made this year |
| 16:54.46 | qubodup | Eulex_: Eulex_ Also can't install sun-java6 stuff |
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| 16:54.57 | qubodup | Eulex_: where to fill report for sid? |
| 16:55.00 | hark | qubodup: it's broken in sid, check the bts |
| 16:55.07 | facedown | how should i know if i need 486 or 686? |
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| 16:55.17 | qubodup | hark: bts? |
| 16:55.21 | Deezire | facedown: linux-image-2.6.22-4-686 then. |
| 16:55.27 | Eulex_ | !btssmite qubodup |
| 16:55.27 | dpkg | beats qubodup around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if qubodup is running Unstable |
| 16:55.37 | basti_ | http://pastebin.com/d607f4dcd |
| 16:55.40 | Eulex_ | qubodup, you should know that if you're running sid. |
| 16:55.41 | facedown | Deezire: why not 486? |
| 16:55.54 | facedown | Deezire: it says x86.. i think i need that |
| 16:56.01 | basti_ | now i need to install some packages to recompile apt |
| 16:56.01 | facedown | 686 only says pentium |
| 16:56.05 | qubodup | Eulex_: running sid was a result of fixing nvidia problems |
| 16:56.09 | Eulex_ | facedown, if your box isn't an ancient 486 or pentium 1, you should run a 686 kernel. |
| 16:56.33 | Deezire | 686 is still x86. |
| 16:56.33 | basti_ | if i, however, replace status with an empty file, apt runs, but it can't install the some 100 packets from "upgrade" |
| 16:56.44 | Eulex_ | qubodup, you could have installed the nvidia drivers on an older version of debian, and it should have worked. |
| 16:56.46 | facedown | .. here i go |
| 16:56.54 | basti_ | which are somehow hung in apt-get. |
| 16:57.01 | basti_ | how do i get rid of a broken update? |
| 16:57.04 | Deezire | facedown: upgrading kernel is very straight forward in debian. |
| 16:57.10 | facedown | its 40% now |
| 16:57.20 | Deezire | basti_: nano /etc/apt/souces.list |
| 16:57.25 | Wyzard | facedown: The -486 kernel will work, but it's not optimal... it's the catch-all generic build that works even on very old processors |
| 16:57.40 | Wyzard | facedown: The -686 build is more efficient on newer processors |
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| 16:58.01 | Deezire | Pretty much every system build from 2000 and out is 686 compatible. |
| 16:58.01 | Eulex_ | basti_, you'll have to recreate your status file somehow. if you cannot fully; at least get yourself one with the base packages set to be installed. |
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| 16:58.03 | hark | basti_: why are you touching the status file? |
| 16:58.20 | Eulex_ | facedown, the -686 also supports more ram than -486 |
| 16:58.26 | vjoe | i want to download virtualbox from the virtualbox repository and not from the debian's repository, how can I do it? |
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| 16:58.43 | Deezire | vjoe: Consult #vbox |
| 16:58.47 | basti_ | hark: because apt-get breaks with "E: Wow, you exceeded the number of descriptions this APT is capable of." |
| 16:58.49 | facedown | wow.. that was quick |
| 16:58.52 | facedown | upgrading my os in 2 mins |
| 16:59.10 | Wyzard | facedown: Your kernel is not your entire OS :-) |
| 16:59.12 | Deezire | You will learn to love debian, facedown. |
| 16:59.13 | vjoe | Deezire, it's not a doubt about vbox, its about apt-get |
| 16:59.14 | vjoe | err |
| 16:59.37 | Deezire | vjoe: If you ask the guys at #vbox, they will tell you how to compile from source. |
| 16:59.57 | basti_ | Deezire: i took a few sources out of there, and it works again now |
| 17:00.03 | vjoe | i prefer to add the repos, it's easier too keep the software up to date |
| 17:00.04 | vjoe | :| |
| 17:00.13 | akio | what is vbox? |
| 17:00.19 | Deezire | basti_: Do a apt-get update, of you've updated sources.list. |
| 17:00.22 | Deezire | akio: virtualbox.org |
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| 17:00.27 | Eulex_ | vjoe, it's easier to break your system, too. |
| 17:00.33 | facedown | uname -ar says i still have 2.6.18 - guess i need to restart? |
| 17:00.34 | basti_ | Deezire: already done. thanks for the hint. |
| 17:00.41 | plukazz | i think in vbox web page there is a repository |
| 17:00.41 | Eulex_ | facedown, yes. |
| 17:00.41 | basti_ | Deezire: it seems to be fine now again. |
| 17:00.46 | Deezire | basti_: Good :) |
| 17:01.25 | Eulex_ | basti_, note that if you've got packages installed that dpkg doesn't know about, you WILL get problems installing some packages. |
| 17:01.27 | Deezire | Pretty much all stable packages for debian is very outdated, but they are secure and *very* stable, and easily upgradable via apt. |
| 17:02.01 | akio | holy crap vbox kicks |
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| 17:02.45 | Deezire | vbox is the shit for desktop virtualization. |
| 17:02.49 | Deezire | For servers use Xen. |
| 17:02.59 | Deezire | (last one needs modified kernel.) |
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| 17:03.10 | GregoryA | hi |
| 17:03.18 | hark | basti_: that shouldn't have to do anything with the status file, you shouldn't mess with it :) |
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| 17:03.33 | Deezire | hark: status-file? |
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| 17:03.50 | hark | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:03.59 | Deezire | aha |
| 17:04.13 | Eulex_ | basti_, http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-database-rebuild.html |
| 17:04.17 | Deezire | You should not touch so much outside of /etc, to be sure. |
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| 17:06.36 | hark | another one is /msg dpkg status-recovery |
| 17:06.40 | heymr | ok. how can I fix my broken packages and start fresh with sources.list? |
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| 17:06.47 | Eulex_ | basti_, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474587 has another solution |
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| 17:07.18 | heymr | Eulex_: how do I fix broken package? |
| 17:07.35 | Deezire | heymr: Never -ever- install testing/unstable packages, that's how you don't get a problem in the first place. :p |
| 17:07.45 | Eulex_ | heymr, define 'broken package' |
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| 17:08.06 | heymr | Eulex_: I'll pastebin my error. one mo |
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| 17:09.40 | rgr | Would anyone here like to take the challenge to help me getting audio working from iceweasel in debian lenny while showing youtube videos? |
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| 17:10.15 | rgr | Deezire: and if you dont you might have half your other stuff broken. One has to consider the trade off. |
| 17:10.25 | heymr | rgr: alsamxier...? |
| 17:10.35 | Eulex_ | rgr, using the flash 9.0 plugin? |
| 17:10.37 | rgr | heymr: what about it? |
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| 17:10.53 | rgr | Eulex_: I think I am yes. How can I tell which version? |
| 17:11.15 | Eulex_ | rgr, about:plugins |
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| 17:11.25 | heymr | rgr: did you check it out? |
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| 17:11.43 | rgr | heymr: yes. Why? other sounds are working fine. |
| 17:11.45 | heymr | Eulex_: dang it. i did not install pastebin |
| 17:11.51 | heymr | rgr: oh ok :D |
| 17:11.51 | rgr | Eulex_: yes. Flash 9. |
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| 17:12.12 | rgr | youtube uses flash then? |
| 17:12.39 | Wyzard | Anyone know offhand if it's possible / practical to convert a Firefox plugin to an Epiphany plugin? |
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| 17:12.41 | heymr | would someone be so kind as to pastebin there sources.list (if they have a clean one) |
| 17:12.46 | Eulex_ | rgr, yes, and flash 9 uses alsa, so getting sound working in it shouldn't be more than having alsa working and not having some application that is using oss and blocking your audio device. |
| 17:13.11 | heymr | Eulex_: E: Error occurred while processing emacs22-nox (NewVersion1) |
| 17:13.12 | heymr | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_testing_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 17:14.19 | Eulex_ | heymr, hrrm, odd, no idea actually. perhaps comment your security.debian.org line for now and reenable it later? |
| 17:14.32 | heymr | Eulex_: will try that |
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| 17:14.49 | rgr | Eulex_: aargh. This is looking bad. I had tried to use pulseaudio for a while with some success. At least more than one app can now use the sound card. But flash is hosed after I gave up getting it working perfectly. |
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| 17:15.11 | hark | Wyzard: ha ;) |
| 17:15.50 | Eulex_ | rgr, as long as you use alsa, you shouldn't need to do anything to enable several apps to use the sound card at once. alsa does software mixing. |
| 17:15.53 | hark | rgr: if you're using pulseaudio you need a compat package to play flash |
| 17:16.19 | rgr | alsa is compat. It reroutes to pulse. |
| 17:16.26 | rgr | or they say it is. |
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| 17:16.36 | Eulex_ | ? |
| 17:16.37 | rgr | Eulex_: using which saemon? esd? |
| 17:16.45 | rgr | s/saemon/daemon |
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| 17:16.48 | rgr | :) |
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| 17:17.01 | Eulex_ | rgr, not using any daemon at all. it does it by itself. |
| 17:17.08 | heymr | Eulex_: ok. trying... |
| 17:17.15 | rgr | Eulex_: not on my machine it didn't. |
| 17:17.42 | rgr | hence I moved to pulse since ubuntu and some others are moving to it for default |
| 17:17.50 | Eulex_ | rgr, note that this will not apply if an app is trying to use alsa through the oss compatibility layer. |
| 17:18.08 | heymr | can I tell etch to just redo my sources.list |
| 17:18.12 | Eulex_ | all apps need to use alsa through the main alsa api |
| 17:18.12 | heymr | i really messed it up |
| 17:18.24 | rgr | Eulex_: I read that somewhere too. Ye gods - what an unmitagted hellish mess the sound systems are. |
| 17:18.35 | rgr | thanks anyway guys. Back to google for me. |
| 17:18.35 | hark | rgr: flashplugin-nonfree-pulse is the package |
| 17:18.38 | heymr | Eulex_: can I tell etch to just redo my sources.list |
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| 17:18.58 | Eulex_ | rgr, yes, and oss really should be deprecated completely by now and not used by anything by default. |
| 17:19.04 | Eulex_ | heymr, no |
| 17:19.18 | xingu | rgr: old (<9) versions of flashplayer use oss; however you can teach them to play nice by running them with the aoss wrapper via /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc:ICEWEASEL_DSP |
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| 17:19.33 | rgr | xingu: I use 9. |
| 17:19.38 | xingu | rgr: current versions of flashplayer are alsa native |
| 17:19.41 | rgr | hark: that was already installed. |
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| 17:19.57 | Wyzard | rgr: The "hellish mess" you refer to is simply "ALSA is the way everything should be doing sound stuff, but there's backward-compatibility support for OSS, with limitations, for old software that still needs it" |
| 17:20.06 | xingu | rgr: the alsa soft mixing has been a default since I forget, but long enough ago and just works seamlessly - no sound daemon required |
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| 17:20.29 | Eulex_ | heymr, deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ etch main is about all you need for starters; take that and build on it |
| 17:20.33 | heymr | maan..jack doesn't work either |
| 17:20.34 | rgr | Wyzard: actually no. That hellish mess is a whole bunch of competing sound servers and howtos which step on each others feet. |
| 17:20.35 | xingu | rgr: would take a guess at alsa 1.0.14, maybe |
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| 17:20.43 | rgr | xingu: unfortunately not with my hw for some reason. |
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| 17:20.49 | rgr | anyway. aprpeciate the pointers. |
| 17:20.50 | xingu | rgr: it's hw independant |
| 17:20.50 | heymr | Eulex_: k |
| 17:20.52 | Eulex_ | rgr, right, sound servers are hell. don't use them. |
| 17:21.06 | xingu | rgr: it's _soft_ mixing, it happens as a layer above the hardware |
| 17:21.11 | Wyzard | rgr: Assuming you're using the ALSA build of pulseaudio, it shouldn't step on the feet of anything -- it can work together with other things using ALSA directly |
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| 17:21.20 | Eulex_ | xingu, dmix is software mixing. hardware independent. |
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| 17:21.36 | rgr | Eulex_: no need to be defensive. I have been trying to get multiple sources working for ages. It did not work with Also. Pulse works with everything except flash now. Its hard work trycking down the correct information. |
| 17:21.43 | xingu | Eulex_: yes, that's wht I'm talking about |
| 17:21.54 | heymr | Eulex_: yay no errors! yet... so: 1 not fully installed or removed. |
| 17:21.55 | Eulex_ | xingu, oh, sorry, misdirected |
| 17:21.57 | hark | rgr: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/flashplugin-nonfree-pulse_0.1~000.html |
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| 17:22.12 | xingu | rgr: I gave up on pulse the minute I realised it couldn't handle the trivial case (one source two sinks) keeping both sinks in phase with each other |
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| 17:22.50 | heymr | Eulex_: ok, so it wants me to go download java doc. can I canle every installing that? |
| 17:22.56 | heymr | just remove? |
| 17:22.58 | Wyzard | xingu: That's not entirely pulse's fault |
| 17:23.26 | xingu | Wyzard: it doesn't do what it says on the tin, and that is pulse's fault. :) |
| 17:23.32 | hark | Wyzard: why use epiphany when you can use iceweasel? ;) |
| 17:23.51 | Wyzard | xingu: It's mentioned in an FAQ somewhere that you can't effectively use multiple soundcards as if they were a single multi-channel soundcard, because they have separate clock oscillators and will drift out of sync on their own |
| 17:23.51 | heymr | okyday. i think i'll live |
| 17:24.02 | Wyzard | hark: because I prefer epiphany, and it's the native GNOME browser |
| 17:24.04 | Eulex_ | heymr, I believe you can cancel that, yes, and then remove it after this step. |
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| 17:24.16 | xingu | Wyzard: pah, ntp gets its phase error down to 10^-19 - it's a solvable problem |
| 17:24.18 | Eulex_ | Wyzard, gecko is hardly native gnome :) |
| 17:24.23 | heymr | Eulex_: ok. no more errors. now what shoulod I add to sources.list |
| 17:24.34 | heymr | i am in israel |
| 17:24.44 | heymr | il. something? |
| 17:24.48 | Wyzard | Eulex_: Sure, but the rest of it is (and they're apparently planning on dropping Gecko support and moving to WebKit only) |
| 17:24.57 | azeem | !mirrors |
| 17:24.57 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 17:25.01 | azeem | heymr: ^^ |
| 17:25.06 | Eulex_ | heymr, ah, /smack-self, that was a swedish apt source. look at the mirror list above. |
| 17:25.13 | Jemt | Greetz. Can someone help me get Nautilus working with Samba? Normally it is possible to write smb://user@192.168.1.30/share but it dosn't work - I get this error : 'Could not open location 'smb://jemt@192.168.1.2/documents/ - Details: The default action does not support this protocol.' |
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| 17:25.19 | Eulex_ | heymr, you probably want etch security too. |
| 17:25.25 | hark | Wyzard: have you tried the latest beta, imo gets the best features of epiphany- the bookmarks, address bar and performance.. |
| 17:25.38 | Eulex_ | heymr, deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 17:25.48 | Eulex_ | Wyzard, they are. |
| 17:26.38 | xingu | Wyzard: you're right in that it's not entirely pulse's problem, that project needs to work a little deeper with the alsa guys to build in a pll similar to the kernel "ntp" pll/regulator |
| 17:27.04 | Wyzard | hark: tried it briefly (it's in the Ubuntu 8.04 beta which I installed on another machine yesterday) and it's not bad, but I'd rather stick with the native GNOME browser |
| 17:27.06 | Eulex_ | Jemt, libgnomevfs2-extra |
| 17:27.22 | Eulex_ | ... but you should already have that |
| 17:27.23 | Wyzard | hark: which does things like integrate with NetworkManager to automatically set "offline" mode when the machine isn't connected to a network |
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| 17:27.45 | Jemt | Eulex_: I didn't |
| 17:27.55 | Jemt | Eulex_: Shouldn't Nautilus depend on it ? |
| 17:28.08 | Eulex_ | Jemt, perhaps wasn't a dep of nautilus in etch then; it is in testing |
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| 17:28.21 | Jemt | Eulex_: Okay. Thank you :) |
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| 17:28.29 | Shadow_mil | I need to install the new Intel driver, is there a repo with it in it? |
| 17:28.44 | Jemt | Eulex_: Yes, that worked :D |
| 17:28.52 | Wyzard | Shadow_mil: backports.org might have it, but it's probably only available with the newer xorg in testing |
| 17:29.05 | Eulex_ | Jemt, yw |
| 17:29.33 | heymr | whats ftp2? |
| 17:29.40 | xingu | Eulex_: fyi dmix has been default-on since alsa-1.0.9rc2 |
| 17:30.05 | Shadow_mil | Wyzard, I need it to get full support of my graphics card |
| 17:30.09 | hark | Wyzard: yeah, it's in debian too (experimental actually), i like epiphany too but it's the extensions :) |
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| 17:30.36 | Eulex_ | xingu, right; since before etch. |
| 17:30.50 | hark | also like the fact that you don't need to restart the browser as well to add/change them |
| 17:30.56 | Wyzard | Shadow_mil: If you just need it to use your LCD's native resolution, 915resolution may be able to help with that |
| 17:31.54 | Shadow_mil | ok Ill try it |
| 17:31.56 | Shadow_mil | brb |
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| 17:32.32 | heymr | oh yeah :) nano made a backup of my sources.list |
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| 17:33.05 | Shadow_mil | Wyzard, Ill be damn, it worked! |
| 17:33.43 | heymr | can't I just do X -configure as root instead of all this dpkg stuff? |
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| 17:34.48 | Eulex_ | !tell heymr about drxx |
| 17:35.11 | Eulex_ | that's the way to reconfigure X. |
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| 17:38.35 | facedown | hey. i've updated my kernel but madwifi doesn't work because the modules were for my previous kernel -- any tips? i just uninstalled from aptitude using the '-' |
| 17:39.04 | simonrvn | rebuild those modules... |
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| 17:39.20 | facedown | ive reinstalled them |
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| 17:41.23 | facedown | i did m-a a-i madwifi |
| 17:41.33 | facedown | it fails and says.. 'checking kernel config.. FAILED' |
| 17:41.39 | facedown | 'please enable wireless extensions' |
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| 17:41.59 | Doug52392 | Hi |
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| 17:43.12 | Doug52392 | I want to try to install Debian again (I tried installing it a few months ago, but it screwed up writing to the MBR so GRUB didn't work, so I installed Fedora), can I use the GRUB I currently have installed and set the Debian installer not to touch the boot record or create any boot partitions? |
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| 17:45.32 | Doug52392 | Anyone? |
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| 17:46.03 | real0ne | i want to know more about sharinf docs on debian |
| 17:48.01 | Baloo | Doug52392: Why bother installing a boot loader in Debian if you're going to use Fedora's? |
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| 17:48.17 | Doug52392 | How do I not install the bootloader? |
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| 17:48.40 | Baloo | Doug52392: In aptitude or your favorite package manager, uninstall grub or lilo or whatever bootloader you have installed. |
| 17:48.48 | Baloo | Doug52392: Just make sure you really can boot into Fedora first. |
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| 17:49.17 | Doug52392 | I don't want Debian to install a bootloader. |
| 17:49.36 | Baloo | Do you have Debian installed already? |
| 17:49.40 | Doug52392 | no |
| 17:49.49 | Baloo | OK, then don't install a bootloader. |
| 17:50.13 | Wyzard | Doug52392: It's an optional step in the installation |
| 17:50.19 | Wyzard | Doug52392: Just say no when it asks about installing GRUB |
| 17:50.37 | Baloo | Wyzard: Heh, you're name kind of reminds me of that Wwwyzzerdd character on Aqua Teen Hungerforce. |
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| 17:50.56 | Wyzard | Baloo: never heard of that character (though I've only watched that show once) |
| 17:51.13 | sidgyck | Doug52392: when install Debian d-i has an option not to install bootloader isn't it? |
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| 17:51.42 | peterius | anyone know what package has the standard c library docs? |
| 17:51.49 | Baloo | Wyzard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfection |
| 17:51.53 | facedown | anyone know why Wireless extensions are disabled ? |
| 17:52.21 | sidgyck | peterious: glibc-docs? |
| 17:52.29 | facedown | ? |
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| 17:52.46 | Baloo | facedown: What are you calling wireless extensions? |
| 17:53.00 | facedown | m-a a-i madwifi |
| 17:53.05 | facedown | and then madwifi complains |
| 17:53.15 | facedown | Checking kernel configuration... FAILED |
| 17:53.19 | facedown | 'Please enable wireless extensions' |
| 17:53.27 | Baloo | Did you compile your own kernel? |
| 17:53.32 | facedown | no |
| 17:53.37 | facedown | i updated it |
| 17:53.38 | Baloo | It's probably a bug. |
| 17:53.40 | facedown | via aptitude |
| 17:53.45 | Baloo | tell facedown about reportbug |
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| 17:53.52 | facedown | `tell facedown about reportbug |
| 17:53.53 | Eulex_ | facedown, that's with the 2.6.22-686 kernel from backports? I'd assume that the madwifi source is just to old to recognize it. |
| 17:53.57 | facedown | uhh.. |
| 17:53.59 | facedown | yeah |
| 17:54.02 | Eulex_ | !tell facedown about selftell |
| 17:54.16 | facedown | 2.6.22-686 im pretty sure |
| 17:54.18 | Doug52392 | So I should still boot into Fedora's GRUB if I don't install the bootloader> |
| 17:54.19 | facedown | uname -ar ? |
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| 17:54.35 | Baloo | Doug52392: Yes |
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| 17:54.38 | facedown | 2.6.22-4 686 |
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| 17:54.50 | peterius | yeah sidgyck, thanks |
| 17:54.50 | Doug52392 | At what point in the installer does it ask to install GRUB? |
| 17:54.52 | facedown | Eulex_: any suggestions? use updated madwifi then? |
| 17:54.59 | Eulex_ | facedown, yes. |
| 17:55.00 | Doug52392 | I'm going to use the netinstaller |
| 17:55.04 | sigp239 | What do you think of the Arch linux distro? |
| 17:55.05 | facedown | err, how again? get the .deb ? |
| 17:55.09 | Jemt | How do I get the available space on the root partition as a number of bytes, KB, MB or what ever? Just a number, so "df -h" won't do unfortunately |
| 17:55.14 | facedown | uninstall first though from aptititude, right? |
| 17:55.31 | Eulex_ | !tell facedown about simple sid backport |
| 17:55.41 | Eulex_ | facedown, backport the madwifi-source package. |
| 17:55.41 | facedown | i have sid now? |
| 17:55.59 | Wyzard | Baloo: Oddly enough, although I've only ever watched ATHF once, that's the episode I saw |
| 17:56.00 | Baloo | Eulex_: I get the feeling that might be beyond him. |
| 17:56.05 | Wyzard | Baloo: but all I remembered about it was the popups |
| 17:56.06 | Eulex_ | facedown, no, that's why you need to backport it. |
| 17:56.08 | facedown | oh |
| 17:56.09 | xand | Jemt: the statfs() call c.c |
| 17:56.18 | Baloo | Wyzard: Heh |
| 17:56.51 | Jemt | xand: Sounds like a function, not a program (?) |
| 17:57.04 | sigp239 | What do you think of the Arch linux distro? |
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| 17:57.15 | xand | Jemt: it is |
| 17:57.32 | Jemt | xand: How do I use it in a shell then ? |
| 17:57.32 | xand | Jemt: df | awk |
| 17:57.36 | peterius | sidgyck: actually it says something about glibc-doc-reference that doesn't exist |
| 17:57.58 | Jemt | xand: df | awk dosn't give anything |
| 17:58.03 | Eulex_ | facedown, I took a little more closer look at it, and the .deb for madwifi-source from unstable will probably work just well, so you could try that before you try a backport. |
| 17:58.10 | facedown | Hmmmm |
| 17:58.13 | xand | Jemt: df / | tail -1 | awk '{print $3}' |
| 17:58.24 | Doug52392 | So what point in the netinstaller does it ask to install GRUB? |
| 17:58.30 | facedown | ok. so i'll uninstall it first then get madwifi-source |
| 17:58.42 | Eulex_ | Doug52392, pretty late. |
| 17:58.42 | peterius | facedown: what kind of wireless card? |
| 17:58.45 | Jemt | xand: Wow, actually returned a number :D |
| 17:58.47 | facedown | intel something something |
| 17:58.55 | Jemt | xand: Awesome! |
| 17:58.59 | facedown | it worked in previous kernel |
| 17:59.03 | peterius | facedown: is it an ath chip or whatever? |
| 17:59.06 | facedown | i think so yeah |
| 17:59.11 | facedown | i had ath_pci workin before |
| 17:59.15 | peterius | facedown: well if it worked in a previous kernel, nm |
| 17:59.16 | Doug52392 | Is it easy to get my Linksys WMP54G v4.1 wireless card with the RaLink RT61 chipset working? |
| 17:59.17 | facedown | i removed my madwifi |
| 17:59.39 | peterius | facedown: I've got some fancy wireless card that isn't fully supported by madwifi or kernel so I use ndiswrapper with the windows drivers and it works fine |
| 17:59.40 | Jemt | xand: But will the root partition always be the first item in the list (df) ? |
| 17:59.42 | Baloo | Doug52392: Have you checked the Linux Hardware Compatability HOWTO? |
| 17:59.53 | sidgyck | peterius: add repository in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:00.03 | xand | Jemt: that command gets the last line of df /... / = root partition |
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| 18:00.18 | Wyzard | Doug52392: I'm pretty sure I've heard that Ralink wireless hardware is supported by Linux, though I have no experience with it myself |
| 18:00.18 | peterius | sidgyck: what repository? |
| 18:00.23 | Jemt | xand: But I got several mount point that contain slash (/( |
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| 18:00.34 | xand | Jemt: "df /" is just / |
| 18:00.39 | Doug52392 | I know my card will not work after installing Debian, it doesn't work on any other distro after some tinkering with either ndiswrapper or those custom drivers. |
| 18:00.51 | xand | compare the output of "df" and "df /". |
| 18:00.58 | Jemt | xand: Ah, of cause |
| 18:00.59 | heymr | jack fails: ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory |
| 18:00.59 | Wyzard | Doug52392: It might require getting an additional driver from somewhere |
| 18:01.01 | sidgyck | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 18:01.05 | heymr | any ideas? |
| 18:01.23 | peterius | sidgyck... well I have repositories in my sources.list |
| 18:01.23 | Jemt | xand: I missed the slash in your example - sorry :) |
| 18:01.29 | Doug52392 | So since I'm not going to need a /boot partition, I only need to make 1 more partition during the install? |
| 18:01.29 | facedown | Eulex_: how do i backport madwifi? i think i have deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free in sources.list |
| 18:01.39 | peterius | sidgyck: you're saying they don't all have the libc docs? |
| 18:01.55 | facedown | how can i check what kernel i have? |
| 18:01.57 | peterius | sidgyck: that seems so ridiculously essential |
| 18:02.00 | Wyzard | facedown: uname -r |
| 18:02.10 | facedown | doesnt say etch or sid |
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| 18:02.14 | facedown | 2.6.22-4 |
| 18:02.16 | amphi | Doug52392: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page may be of interest |
| 18:02.26 | Wyzard | facedown: etch and sid aren't kernels |
| 18:02.31 | Eulex_ | heymr, it wants a midi sequencer device. there's a program that emulates it in software; it's named timidity or similar I believe |
| 18:02.32 | facedown | well |
| 18:02.40 | facedown | how can i check what i have |
| 18:02.47 | facedown | etch or sid |
| 18:02.53 | facedown | oh i get it |
| 18:02.58 | facedown | i still have etch |
| 18:02.58 | Wyzard | facedown: You can look at your sources.list and see where it's set to get packages from |
| 18:03.17 | facedown | Wyzard: yeah its etch.. and i have the backports.org/debian listed |
| 18:03.19 | Eulex_ | facedown, backports.org has existant backports that debian developers made. backporting madwifi-source is about doing this yourself. |
| 18:03.24 | facedown | hmm |
| 18:03.34 | facedown | you said use the unstable first or try to |
| 18:03.36 | facedown | how can i do that? |
| 18:03.41 | Eulex_ | you download the .deb |
| 18:03.44 | Eulex_ | and dpkg -i it |
| 18:04.07 | facedown | the .tar.gz or .deb? |
| 18:04.12 | Eulex_ | the .deb |
| 18:04.20 | Eulex_ | it's a simple package containing the source, so it should work well on etch, even though it's not backported. |
| 18:04.28 | sigp239 | What do you think of the Arch linux distro? |
| 18:04.33 | Doug52392 | And since I'm not installing GRUB, I only need to create 1 new partition for Linxu? |
| 18:04.35 | Doug52392 | *Linux |
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| 18:04.53 | Eulex_ | sigp239, #debian believes that #debian > * ;) |
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| 18:05.09 | Eulex_ | debian > * |
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| 18:05.35 | Eulex_ | Doug52392, that hasn't got much to do with whether you're installing grub or not. |
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| 18:05.40 | heymr | Eulex_: timidity... ok, got it |
| 18:05.58 | peterius | sidgyck: it keeps saying glibc-doc-reference has no installation candidate, referenced by another package |
| 18:06.07 | peterius | where do I get the libc man pages? |
| 18:06.34 | Wyzard | peterius: manpages-dev is probably what you're looking for |
| 18:06.56 | facedown | i can only find the .deb for sid |
| 18:06.57 | Eulex_ | petemc, it's in non-free |
| 18:07.39 | heymr | how do I take back the 915resolution patch? uninstall it..? |
| 18:07.50 | peterius | wyzard: I installed it but it doesn't have them |
| 18:08.03 | sidgyck | peterius: glibc-doc and glibc-referrence depends on each other. try to install manpage-dev |
| 18:08.03 | Eulex_ | facedown, I believe that's what you needed too, right? |
| 18:08.06 | heymr | what repo is pidgin IM in?? |
| 18:08.06 | Wyzard | heymr: It's not a "patch"... just uninstall the package |
| 18:08.13 | heymr | Wyzard: oh ok |
| 18:08.15 | Eulex_ | peterius, it's in non-free. |
| 18:08.22 | peterius | sidgyck: I thought the pkg management was all about the dependencies |
| 18:08.27 | facedown | Eulex_: ? |
| 18:08.28 | Eulex_ | heymr, etch has gaim |
| 18:08.33 | peterius | eulex_: gnu isn't free? |
| 18:08.42 | Eulex_ | facedown, look up gfdl. |
| 18:08.52 | facedown | why gfdl.. havent heard it ever |
| 18:08.55 | facedown | heard of it |
| 18:09.01 | Wyzard | GNU Free Documentation License |
| 18:09.03 | Eulex_ | emh, sorry |
| 18:09.03 | peterius | glic-doc-reference still doesn't exist after installing manpages-dev |
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| 18:09.07 | sidgyck | peterious: add non-free to your sorces.list |
| 18:09.11 | Eulex_ | peterius, look up gfdl |
| 18:09.16 | Eulex_ | !tell peterius about gfdl |
| 18:09.17 | peterius | its really non-free? |
| 18:09.34 | peterius | that would explain why its so difficult to get such a simple thing |
| 18:09.36 | Wyzard | peterius: It allows some optional clauses which don't meet the DFSG |
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| 18:09.56 | Wyzard | peterius: so *some* GFDL documentation is non-free by Debian standards |
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| 18:10.13 | SexyGirL | #ChatworLD |
| 18:10.15 | SexyGirL | #ChatworLD |
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| 18:10.44 | \amethyst | in particular, most of the FSF's documentation, because it generally include invariant, front-cover, and/or back-cover text |
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| 18:10.56 | sidgyck | peterious: i have a string deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main non-free and all works fine for me. |
| 18:11.19 | sidgyck | run Debian Etch r3 |
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| 18:11.39 | peterius | sidgyck: okay, so I got glibc-doc-reference now, but I still don't have the man pages for, example "printf" |
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| 18:12.54 | Wyzard | peterius: that's in manpages-dev |
| 18:12.59 | anirban | Hi |
| 18:13.10 | peterius | wyzard: I installed that before adding non-free, are there two different manpages-dev? |
| 18:13.28 | Wyzard | peterius: No, only one, and it's free |
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| 18:13.43 | peterius | wyzard: does debian not... update the manpath or something? |
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| 18:13.47 | anirban | I am trying to download latest netinstall CD iso for Lenny but download rate is very slow |
| 18:14.01 | Eulex_ | anirban, get the etch one. |
| 18:14.04 | peterius | wyzard: I mean you're right, manpages-dev seems like what I want but its installed and... |
| 18:14.08 | anirban | and most of the time it stalls is there any good mirror url |
| 18:14.24 | Eulex_ | anirban, install etch & upgrade to lenny |
| 18:14.39 | anirban | Hum.. then I have to do the upgrade again |
| 18:14.45 | Wyzard | peterius: Does /usr/share/man/man3/printf.3.gz exist on your system? |
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| 18:15.06 | Ssam` | can anyone help me install x its not there for some reason |
| 18:15.21 | peterius | wyzard: oh, I guess apropos doesn't update automatically |
| 18:15.28 | varney | hi. after aptitude install phpmyadmin, why can't i access it at http(s)://myserverip/phpmyamin ? |
| 18:15.30 | peterius | wyzard: thanks |
| 18:15.34 | sigp239 | Can I install arch into a file on my windows partition (ala Ubuntu)? Or does arch have a live CD I can check out? |
| 18:15.38 | Eulex_ | anirban, if you just install a base system, the upgrade will not be great. and using a stable installer is much better than using any beta one. |
| 18:15.52 | Eulex_ | sigp239, #arch, please |
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| 18:16.06 | Eulex_ | !tell Ssam` about install x |
| 18:16.25 | sigp239 | Eulex_: Okay sorry. I'm just wondering what is the difference between Arch and Debian? |
| 18:16.30 | Zharf | hm |
| 18:16.34 | varney | do i have to manually add a phpmyadmin alias into apache config? |
| 18:16.47 | Wyzard | sigp239: completely different, unrelated distributions |
| 18:16.49 | anirban | I do not get the latest software in Etch |
| 18:16.52 | Eulex_ | sigp239, they are different distributions. assembled in different ways and with different goals. |
| 18:16.58 | sidgyck | Ssam: aptitude install xorg |
| 18:17.02 | Zharf | sun-java6-jre depends on sun-java6-bin 6-05-1 but only 6-04-2 is available :< |
| 18:17.12 | Ssam` | okay |
| 18:17.19 | anirban | and since I shall install in my my home machine testing version is okay |
| 18:17.24 | sigp239 | Wyzard;Eulex_: Well what is a summary of the most important way they are different? |
| 18:17.24 | Eulex_ | anirban, right, which is why you can upgrade to lenny |
| 18:17.28 | anirban | I can live with some bugs |
| 18:17.32 | anirban | okay |
| 18:17.33 | Ssam` | so it dosent work with apt-get install xserver-xorg-core |
| 18:17.34 | Ssam` | ? |
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| 18:17.36 | Ssam` | thanks |
| 18:17.37 | Wyzard | anirban: correct -- etch is "frozen in time" at the date when it was released, aside from updates for critical fixes such as security flaws |
| 18:17.57 | Eulex_ | Ssam`, that's not really enough for getting a gui |
| 18:18.02 | anirban | okay |
| 18:18.08 | anirban | I shall down load it |
| 18:18.11 | Ssam` | thanks |
| 18:18.19 | Ssam` | i need x org so i can isntall fluxbox |
| 18:18.20 | Wyzard | sigp239: different package managers, different system-wide configuration, different installers, developed and supported by different groups of people |
| 18:18.21 | anirban | or may be if I search my attic I can get the DVD also |
| 18:18.30 | craigevil | Zharf: java has been like that for a couple of weeks now |
| 18:18.31 | anirban | yeah Ssam |
| 18:18.43 | anirban | windows manager is not dependant on xorg |
| 18:18.45 | Zharf | craigevil, could I somehow force the install anyway? :> |
| 18:18.46 | Eulex_ | anirban, I'd recommend the netinstall; it's 130mb. |
| 18:19.10 | Eulex_ | oh wait, probably a little more for etch, but still not much, ~180mb |
| 18:19.11 | anirban | yeah I shall try that ofcourse |
| 18:19.20 | Wyzard | sigp239: As with any Linux distribution, the actual software packages (the kernel, shell, compiler, xorg, browsers, etc.) are the same, but the process of compiling them and assembling them into a complete working system is completely different |
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| 18:19.37 | craigevil | Zharf: i would install sun-java5 from testing, 6 has been broken in sid for at least 2 weeks |
| 18:19.50 | anirban | I have 256 KBPS line a DVD will take 2 days and 1 cd will take 5 hours so I shall prefer the netinstall |
| 18:20.01 | Wyzard | craigevil: I'm running sid with Java 6 and Azureus works fine... |
| 18:20.09 | Ssam` | it says package contains 2 dev and core |
| 18:20.11 | Ssam` | which should i install |
| 18:20.23 | craigevil | Wyzard: yes it works if you already had it installed, the upgrade path has been frakked |
| 18:20.26 | Wyzard | ah |
| 18:20.51 | Eulex_ | anirban, with a netinstall you only download what you need. the cd itself contains a base system; the rest is downloaded from the net. |
| 18:20.53 | Zharf | I just removed sun-java5 because I wanted to see if java6 ran any better... the funny thing is that java6 on my laptop (600MHz, 192MB memory) runs just fine and on my desktop (1.1GHz, 512MB memory) it's like 10 times slower than on the laptop :) |
| 18:21.11 | craigevil | sun-java6-jre depends on sun-java6-bin 6-05-1 but only 6-04-2 is available < has been that way for at least 2 weeks |
| 18:21.22 | sidgyck | ssam: install core if you not planning to develop |
| 18:21.27 | varney | anyone? |
| 18:21.37 | wolfsbane | Or! Dont use Java at all. |
| 18:21.44 | Ssam` | it says unable to resolve dependencies |
| 18:21.55 | Zharf | wolfsbane, I can't play Go on KGS if I don't |
| 18:22.04 | wolfsbane | ouch |
| 18:22.12 | sidgyck | ssam: use synaptic |
| 18:22.19 | Eulex_ | Ssam`, can you hand us the exact error in a pastebin? oh, and what debian release are you using? |
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| 18:22.33 | wolfsbane | What makes Debian the best flavor? |
| 18:22.34 | Ssam` | netinst 4.0 |
| 18:22.37 | Wyzard | Java isn't bad |
| 18:22.40 | Zharf | wolfsbane, yeah, stupid closed protocols |
| 18:22.44 | Wyzard | and it's in the process of being made free |
| 18:22.54 | Ssam` | the exact error hold on ill try |
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| 18:23.06 | wolfsbane | Yeah, I wrestled with Java for a while trying to get Limewire.... then I discovered Frostwire |
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| 18:23.28 | Zharf | Wyzard, I don't really care about "free" or "non-free", it's just that java requires way too much system resources than I have to offer |
| 18:23.32 | Ssam` | its too big can i take a snapshot and paste from imageshack? |
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| 18:24.19 | sidgyck | zharf: install java from Sun. |
| 18:24.40 | Wyzard | better to stick with packages |
| 18:24.41 | Zharf | sidgyck, duh, if you had read the conversation you would've noticed that I said that I use sun-java5 |
| 18:25.15 | amphi | Ssam`: picpaste.com is better |
| 18:25.37 | Zharf | sidgyck, oh, if you meant to install java6 from sun site then I'm sorry that I misunderstood you |
| 18:26.04 | sidgyck | zharf: yes I mean site. |
| 18:26.18 | Zharf | nah, I'll just wait for someone to fix it in sid |
| 18:27.33 | sidgyck | zharf: I've installed java1.6 from http://java.sun.com and it works fine for me (1GHz Celeron) |
| 18:28.30 | Wyzard | sidgyck: yeah, but you lose the benefits of packaged software that way -- no automated install/upgrade, doesn't satisfy dependencies, etc. |
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| 18:28.42 | Zharf | sidgyck, I'm sure it does, your box probably doesn't have hardware problems either :) |
| 18:28.46 | Ssam` | http://picpaste.com/untitled.JPG |
| 18:29.13 | Jemt | Is it possible to do a simple calculation in a terminal ? 10+5 |
| 18:29.30 | blubberdiblub | Jemt: yes, with bc or dc |
| 18:29.33 | Ssam` | youd have to write a shell script |
| 18:29.37 | Eulex_ | Ssam`, can you please show us your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 18:29.42 | Wyzard | Jemt: echo $((10+5)) |
| 18:30.05 | Ssam` | Eulex_ cat /etc/apt/sources.list ??? |
| 18:30.05 | Jemt | Ah, thanks ! :) |
| 18:30.08 | Ssam` | i ma newbie sorry |
| 18:30.23 | Eulex_ | Ssam`, or nano. |
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| 18:32.32 | Ssam` | http://picpaste.com/untitled.JPG |
| 18:32.46 | Ssam` | i went with cat hope thats not a problem |
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| 18:33.24 | Eulex_ | Ssam`, you only have sources for the packages that are on the netinst and in the etch updates. not the pure etch packages. |
| 18:33.38 | Ssam` | ooo |
| 18:33.41 | vlt | Hello. How do I add a new routing table to /etc/iproute2/rt_tables? |
| 18:33.46 | Ssam` | how do i correct that? |
| 18:33.53 | Ward1983 | how do i add the contrib and non-free repos? |
| 18:34.08 | Eulex_ | !tell Ward1983 about non-free |
| 18:34.21 | Ssam` | good thing i did this first on vbox |
| 18:34.45 | Ward1983 | how do i add the contrib repo? |
| 18:34.50 | Ward1983 | Eulex_, thanx |
| 18:34.56 | Eulex_ | !contrib sources |
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| 18:35.20 | Eulex_ | Ward1983, as you add non-free sources, but you also add 'contrib' (without quotes) |
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| 18:35.32 | Eulex_ | Ssam`, you need a line like deb http://mirror/debian etch main contrib |
| 18:35.39 | Eulex_ | !tell Ssam` about mirrors |
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| 18:35.58 | Ssam` | Eulex_ i just started with linux like a week ago |
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| 18:36.03 | Ward1983 | !contrib sources |
| 18:36.10 | Eulex_ | Ssam`, where you choose your mirror yourself, but pick one close to you |
| 18:36.23 | Eulex_ | !tell Ward1983 about non-free sources |
| 18:36.29 | Ward1983 | thanx |
| 18:36.40 | Ssam` | how do i change a mirror |
| 18:36.44 | sidgyck | ward1983: ssam add line deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:36.51 | Eulex_ | Ssam`, change? |
| 18:36.51 | sidgyck | ssam add line deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free to your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:37.05 | Eulex_ | sidgyck, no, he should be using a mirror |
| 18:37.08 | Ward1983 | Eulex_, sidgyck, nice i know that from iubuntu :) |
| 18:37.11 | smhar | anyone here running virtualbox on debian using bridged networking .. I had a long two days of reading with no result.. |
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| 18:38.05 | Eulex_ | Ssam`, it usually goes like above, but you should be using http://ftp.cc.debian.org/debian where cc is the country code of your country; check so there exists a mirror for your country, otherwise use the one closest to you |
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| 18:38.17 | FinZor | anyone know this site ? i seen it on a fourm, it's a torrent site.. |
| 18:38.18 | FinZor | http://www.freethescene.net/ |
| 18:38.20 | Ssam` | yes but where do i put this link? |
| 18:38.32 | Ssam` | should i nano /etc/at/sources.list? |
| 18:38.36 | Eulex_ | Ssam`, yes. |
| 18:38.52 | Ssam` | then remove the links there |
| 18:38.58 | Ssam` | and add a valid mirror? |
| 18:39.01 | Ssam` | then i am done |
| 18:39.05 | Eulex_ | Ssam`, umh, you can comment the cd one |
| 18:39.13 | Eulex_ | Ssam`, but keep the security one |
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| 18:39.29 | Ssam` | aight thanks i gtg for a bitt ill brb |
| 18:39.38 | FinZor | http://www.freethescene.net/ |
| 18:39.39 | FinZor | http://www.freethescene.net/ |
| 18:39.40 | FinZor | http://www.freethescene.net/ |
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| 18:40.10 | sidgyck | ward1983: ubuntu has a separate channel |
| 18:40.11 | dalcio | boa tarde.... |
| 18:40.39 | Ward1983 | sidgyck, i said: i know this from ubuntu, did i say i use it??? |
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| 18:41.13 | Ward1983 | i use it on my laptop and desktop but not on my pda, my pda runs debian |
| 18:41.29 | Ward1983 | i'm sorry if im not allowed to like both |
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| 18:42.16 | Ergo^ | hello |
| 18:42.39 | Ergo^ | does anyone here can point me to a good hosting panel solution for debian system ? |
| 18:42.42 | wolfsbane | What is the best flavor of nix out there? |
| 18:43.08 | sidgyck | walfsbane: www.distrowatch.com |
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| 18:43.15 | lvh | hello :) |
| 18:43.35 | sidgyck | lvh: hi |
| 18:43.35 | lvh | Is it possible to install debs for i386 on amd64 the "right" ie non-ugly way? |
| 18:43.48 | Wyzard | lvh: not that I know of |
| 18:43.51 | Ergo^ | ive tried DTC thingie from lennys repos but i dont trust that :/ |
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| 18:44.26 | lvh | Wyzard: okay. Is there intense badness involved with forcing it to install anyway (the binaries that end up being installed work) |
| 18:44.42 | lvh | besides the obvious "yes, you're forcing it to install even though it doesn't want to" |
| 18:44.47 | Wyzard | lvh: I'd consider it a bad idea... why do you want to do that anyway? |
| 18:44.52 | lvh | Wyzard: skype. |
| 18:44.59 | Wyzard | ah |
| 18:45.14 | Wyzard | There's no 64-bit build of it? |
| 18:45.26 | lvh | I'm beginning to think installing a proper amd64 was a bad idea. Everything propietary dies. |
| 18:45.48 | Wyzard | lvh: I'm running amd64 and the only compatibility issues I've encountered have been with non-free software |
| 18:45.57 | Wyzard | lvh: like the lack of 64-bit Flash or the browser plugin for Java |
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| 18:46.07 | lvh | Wyzard: no. There's an i386 tarball with static binaries (or at least, "everything included") |
| 18:46.15 | lvh | Wyzard: have you managed to fix java? I got flash working. |
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| 18:46.29 | Wyzard | but it's getting better -- the Debian wrapper for Google Earth now works (even though the app is 32-bit) and VMware now has a native 64-bit build |
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| 18:46.44 | lvh | GCJ Web Browser Plugin does not work whatsoever, even trivial java applets make my browser crash |
| 18:46.46 | Wyzard | lvh: I don't really care much about the Flash or Java browser plugins |
| 18:46.57 | Wyzard | lvh: and standalone Java (e.g. for Eclipse and Azureus) works fine |
| 18:46.58 | lvh | I use npwrapper :-) |
| 18:47.16 | lvh | Wyzard: unfortunately my professors like to use java applets for *everything* |
| 18:47.27 | lvh | Wyzard: oh, yes, it's a paragraph of text! LETS USE A FRIGGIN JAVA APPLET |
| 18:47.31 | lvh | -.- |
| 18:47.42 | Wyzard | lvh: sid has a 64-bit flashplugin-nonfree that uses nspluginwrapper, but it works only intermittently |
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| 18:47.55 | lvh | Okay, that's a bit exaggerated, but its ok. |
| 18:47.58 | Wyzard | lvh: I have it installed, but I haven't bothered looking into why it doesn't work right |
| 18:48.02 | lvh | Wyzard: I've indeed seen the same flaky behaviour |
| 18:48.44 | Ergo^ | is there anyone here that has a hosting administration experience ? im loogink for a control panel that would be usable with debian |
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| 18:49.03 | lvh | Ergo^: yes, and no |
| 18:49.14 | Jemt | Hm, how do i compare two numbers in a Shell Script? if [numOne<numTwo]; then bla bla fi |
| 18:49.18 | DA_Desktop | Hello. I'm running Debian on my laptop, and am using the LUKS whole disk encryption provided by Debian's installer. When I get past the password-entering part, it says ( ; denotes new line): key slot 0 unlocked.;Command successful;/scripts/local-top/cryptroot: 1: sed: not found; No volume groups found; /scripts/local-top/cryptroot: 1: cannot open /dev/mapper/Liberty-root: No such file; Done.; Begin: Waiting for root file system... |
| 18:49.18 | lvh | Ergo^: I have hosting experience, but I did everything with ssh and gratitous use of perl |
| 18:49.20 | Jemt | This dosn't work |
| 18:49.25 | DA_Desktop | And that's where it stops |
| 18:49.29 | DA_Desktop | nothing further happens there |
| 18:49.52 | lvh | sed: not found, thats interesting |
| 18:50.13 | Dark_Apostrophe | I think this was after I did some upgrades in synaptic |
| 18:50.29 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: Are you using LVM too? |
| 18:50.33 | Ergo^ | lvh: im getting a debian VPS and would use a control panel for it - but right now i got something thats called DTC panel i took a look and discovered that every account for clients is owned by the same user and grpup - im not expert but that should be a security risk ? |
| 18:50.35 | lvh | I have no experience with luks, but I don't understand where its planning to find sed before mounting the root fs. Can't help you there, sorry. |
| 18:50.41 | Dark_Apostrophe | Wyzard: No idea |
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| 18:50.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, now it just popped something else out: |
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| 18:51.07 | lvh | Ergo^: possibly, I have not done a code audit of DTCpanel :-) |
| 18:51.22 | lvh | Ergo^: what is this user? as long as its not unprivileged and the user has no home directory, I don't see the problem |
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| 18:51.35 | lvh | Ergo^: also make sure that users login shell is /bin/false and you do passwd -f user |
| 18:51.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | ALERT§ /dev/mapper/Liberty-root does not exist. Dropping to a shell! Check your root= boot argument (cat /proc/cmdline); Check for missing modules (cat /proc/modules), or device files (ls /dev). (initramfs) |
| 18:51.58 | lvh | Ergo^: sorry, passwd -l |
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| 18:52.10 | lvh | Hmm.. Where did my brain chatch passwd -f... bsd? |
| 18:52.12 | Ergo^ | well you have /var/www/sites - all the files reside there and if they belong to the same user i think i can get php to read other folks files right ? |
| 18:52.14 | lvh | doesnt matter :) |
| 18:52.19 | xingu | Jemt: if [ $x -lt $y ] ... |
| 18:52.28 | xingu | Jemt: see "help test" in bash |
| 18:52.28 | lvh | Ergo^: depends what user DTCpanel runs under |
| 18:52.38 | Ergo^ | user DTC ;-) |
| 18:52.55 | Ergo^ | its not a permanent daemon i guess |
| 18:52.58 | Ergo^ | its all php |
| 18:52.59 | Jemt | xingu: Okay. But it still dosn't work - don't I need 'then' and 'fi' at the ending ? |
| 18:53.08 | Dark_Apostrophe | So what do I do now? |
| 18:53.10 | lvh | Ergo^: then I don't see the security risk, unless everything recursively in your /var/www/sites is owned by DTC |
| 18:53.20 | Jemt | xingu: Something like if [$available -gt $spacereq] \necho "Yes"\nfi |
| 18:53.25 | lvh | Ergo^: sounds like something iffy with loads of system()s |
| 18:53.41 | Jemt | xingu: Ah, with "; then" after the ] |
| 18:53.43 | xingu | Jemt: so here's a fragment: [ $available -gt $spacereq ] && { echo "yes"; } |
| 18:53.51 | lvh | The site LOOKS professional though (that was my 10 second audit -- you owe me five kilodollars) |
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| 18:54.55 | Jemt | xingu: I get: Unexpected end of file |
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| 18:55.07 | lvh | As long as it's running as a separate user named DTC, and it never wants to log in as that user (set shell to /bin/false, and passwd -l DTC), there should be no security risk even if the code is horrible |
| 18:55.24 | lvh | If it has/requires database access, there are of course no guarantees that you cant sneak any SQL in. |
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| 18:56.17 | Jemt | xingu: This is what I want: http://pastebin.ca/974332 |
| 18:56.22 | lvh | I'm an Astaro person. It works nicely if you can live with the Astaro folks ^^ |
| 18:56.29 | Jemt | xingu: This is what I get: ./update.sh: line 8: [3588964: command not found |
| 18:56.32 | Ergo^ | lvh: im not talking about fiddling on the machine with ssh access |
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| 18:56.54 | Ergo^ | im not sure how the filesystem permission work |
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| 18:57.11 | Ergo^ | but if user a has his sites in : /var/www/blabla/bla/html |
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| 18:57.31 | lvh | Ergo^: wait, what is /var/www/sites for? everything that belongs to *you* and your hosting infrastructure?\ |
| 18:57.37 | xingu | Jemt: add in the missing spaces; ... [ $available -gt $spacereq ] ... |
| 18:57.42 | Ergo^ | and user b has his sites in : /var/bla/bla/userb/html |
| 18:57.48 | Jemt | xingu: Ah! |
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| 18:58.06 | Ergo^ | that can i use php to read a file in other users dir ? |
| 18:58.26 | lvh | Ergo^: yes, but only in the sense that "a browser" could just the same |
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| 18:59.07 | Jemt | xingu: Now I get "./update.sh: line 8: [: 3588996: unary operator expected" |
| 18:59.08 | lvh | Ergo^: you could give all your users separate shell accounts. This is, in my opinion, a good idea. |
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| 18:59.34 | suppa_ | hi |
| 18:59.44 | lvh | Ergo^: it sounds like a lot of work, but putting your users in a chroot jail of their home directory is a helluva lot simpler than checking if all holes are plugged :) |
| 19:00.03 | suppa_ | I'm using metacity as wm but I don't really know how to end the X session without a root menu |
| 19:00.10 | lvh | Ergo^: also, I have no idea what FTP client you plan on using, but that might make matters simpler for you as well. |
| 19:00.16 | suppa_ | any hint, ctrl-alt-backspace apart? |
| 19:00.18 | lvh | Ergo^: s/client/server |
| 19:00.35 | lvh | suppa_: killall X? |
| 19:01.00 | Ergo^ | lvh: its not the same as using browser |
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| 19:01.19 | sidgyck | suppa_: add shutdown applet to the panel. |
| 19:01.21 | lvh | Ergo^: it is, if you configure your server correctly. |
| 19:01.36 | Ergo^ | i can for example read the file on disk that has passwords stored in it if both of dirs are owned by the same user |
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| 19:01.47 | lvh | Ergo^: because you wont be able to use direct file access, you would go over http |
| 19:01.47 | Ergo^ | lets not get into ssh, ftp etc. |
| 19:01.47 | hark | suppa_: gnome-session-save --silent --kill |
| 19:01.56 | lvh | Ergo^: okay. |
| 19:01.56 | Ergo^ | ? |
| 19:02.06 | Ergo^ | well all users have php |
| 19:02.19 | lvh | Ergo^: if your server is configured correctly your users won't be able to read each others files directly from disk, not even with php. |
| 19:02.32 | Ergo^ | so i can do something like echo file_read_contents('/path/to/file'); |
| 19:02.45 | lvh | Ergo^: the braindead easy way to do this, in my opinion, is to give all your users proper shell accounts that are chrooted, and use file permissions accordingly |
| 19:02.48 | suppa_ | hark: I don't have gnome installed |
| 19:03.04 | Ergo^ | lvh: correct but i always thought that every "site" is in diffrenet dir owned by someone else |
| 19:03.12 | lvh | Ergo^: that way, even if they manage to break out of your chroot jail, you and your other client's data is secure, and they would need to somehow gain root access. |
| 19:03.15 | suppa_ | sidgyck: isn't shutdown a bit too much? |
| 19:03.18 | lvh | Ergo^: not neccesairly, but that is the best idea |
| 19:03.21 | hark | suppa_: you're really using metacity? |
| 19:03.24 | suppa_ | I am |
| 19:03.31 | lvh | suppa_: killall metacity |
| 19:03.34 | lvh | :) |
| 19:03.44 | suppa_ | lvh: I'd like a "gentle" way |
| 19:03.46 | lvh | If there's nothing keeping your X open it'll fall down like a house of cards :) |
| 19:04.10 | lvh | suppa_: use SIGKILL instead of SIGTERM -- that way the process will die so quickly it won't feel any pain. Is that gentle enough? |
| 19:04.12 | sidgyck | suppa_: sorry, log out applet. |
| 19:04.21 | suppa_ | lvh: I mean I could unplug the power chord too |
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| 19:04.31 | suppa_ | sidgyck: I'm searching apt-cache but can't found it |
| 19:04.47 | suppa_ | lvh|petp: but that doesn't sound right |
| 19:04.54 | lvh|petp | people for the ethical treatment of processes, if you hadn't guess. Bring on SIGEUTHANASIA |
| 19:05.00 | lvh|petp | guessed* |
| 19:05.08 | Ergo^ | so back to my quesiton - did anyone else used some hosting control panel for debian ? |
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| 19:05.36 | suppa_ | have to gently kill X now |
| 19:05.40 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: If by hosting control you mean "handle my dns stuff", yes, hacked one up myself that should never see the light of day. |
| 19:06.02 | lvh|petp | could someone explain why you would want to gently kill X? |
| 19:06.44 | lvh|petp | Killing me softly with SIGSONG? |
| 19:07.36 | sidgyck | suppa: try aptitude install gnome-applets |
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| 19:08.43 | Ergo^ | lvh|petp: yes i mean , handle dns, ftp , databases etc. |
| 19:08.58 | Ergo^ | for some reason its very hard to go with a hosting panel and debian |
| 19:09.01 | varney | after i have run aptitude install phpmyadmin, where do you normally access it? i can't find it... |
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| 19:09.11 | Ergo^ | most solutions are for red hat based systems |
| 19:09.15 | Ergo^ | centos etc |
| 19:09.21 | Ssam` | okay i added http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:09.29 | Ssam` | and still not working |
| 19:09.47 | varney | Ssam`: did you put debian before it |
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| 19:09.52 | Ssam` | deb |
| 19:09.55 | Ssam` | yes |
| 19:10.00 | varney | k |
| 19:10.02 | Ssam` | should i have an # |
| 19:10.03 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: I've had good luck with Astaro Security Linux in that respect. It's a specialised distro for firewalls and similar devices. |
| 19:10.04 | Ssam` | before that too |
| 19:10.06 | varney | NO |
| 19:10.11 | varney | that's comments it out |
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| 19:10.24 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: not that it couldnt be done with debian -- DTC looks like a good piece of software -- but, I just dont have any experience on the subject. |
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| 19:11.01 | Ssam` | can i paste my nano on pastepic and show u |
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| 19:12.52 | Ssam` | http://picpaste.com/untitled.JPG |
| 19:13.02 | Ssam` | is this correct |
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| 19:14.47 | varney | Ssam`: looks ok, but comment out the cdrom one |
| 19:15.16 | Ssam` | i dont know how to do that sorry i just started linux like a week ago |
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| 19:15.27 | Ssam` | lol i read a book! lol |
| 19:15.31 | suppaman | back |
| 19:15.34 | varney | just put # before the cdrom one |
| 19:15.39 | XLV | anyone here uses some usb ups with nut? |
| 19:16.39 | Ssam` | okie dokie |
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| 19:18.09 | Legality | hi |
| 19:18.31 | Legality | lets say we use sw-raid1 on our servers, the first hdd crashes, can we use the second hdd to boot the server up and run it normally? |
| 19:18.40 | Wyzard | XLV: I haven't used nut, but I use apcupsd |
| 19:18.53 | xpoint | can one give me pointer for how to get 2.6.18-4-686 kernel upgraded ? |
| 19:18.59 | lvh|petp | Legality: which sw-raid1? |
| 19:19.09 | Legality | or wait a minute, since the md is build using 2 partitions, 1 on each hdd.. Will the first hdd crash even affect the server at all? |
| 19:19.19 | Legality | lvh|petp: mdadm? not sure what you mean :9 |
| 19:19.21 | lvh|petp | Legality: linux software raid (md) devices where you do NOT USE RAIDTOOLS but stick to mdadm? yes. |
| 19:19.27 | Legality | mdadm |
| 19:19.28 | Legality | yea |
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| 19:19.32 | Wyzard | Legality: Your bootloader is in the boot sector of the first disk, not part of any partition |
| 19:19.33 | XLV | Wyzard, i got an OEM ups, i suppose it uses megatec driver, but its usb... how to determine what to add on option port on usb.conf? |
| 19:19.34 | fas3r | hello |
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| 19:19.41 | sidgyck | xpoint: d/l from www.kernel.org/ and recompile |
| 19:19.46 | Wyzard | Legality: though I suppose you could install it on the second disk too |
| 19:20.07 | Ssam` | okay now i get some weird error on apt-cache search |
| 19:20.14 | fas3r | it's possible to test cron file ? |
| 19:20.33 | lvh|petp | Legality: then, yes. md will automatically try to make an array -- suppose the second disk fails it will create a degraded (not as bad as it sounds and not as bad as it is with raid5), let you boot normally. However it is recommended to cease production use immediately of course :) |
| 19:20.57 | Legality | lvh|petp: but lets say the first disk fails? |
| 19:21.07 | Legality | will it automaticly try to use the second hdd? |
| 19:21.08 | xpoint | sidgyck, okay no way to this whit apt-get upgrade ? |
| 19:21.50 | lvh|petp | Legality: md will try to "make" the md device with whatever means neccesary |
| 19:21.55 | fas3r | if you prefer execute it .. |
| 19:22.07 | sidgyck | xpoint: try to add sid-src repos |
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| 19:22.43 | lvh|petp | Legality: The only thing it will not do is automatically regenerate a raid 5 array |
| 19:22.45 | Ssam` | http://picpaste.com/apt-cache_search_xorg.JPG |
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| 19:22.59 | lvh|petp | Legality: what filesystem will be raid1? |
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| 19:23.11 | xpoint | sidgyck, where is the homepage for them, i ned to show it to my friend that dont know as much as me running gentoo |
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| 19:23.21 | Jemt | Argh, why does the following line in a shell script result in the following error? if [ $available -gt $spacereq ] # error: unary operator expected. I am positive the variables contain numbers - I've tried to echo them both. Suggestions ? |
| 19:24.34 | cder | is there a vnc terminal in etch by default? |
| 19:24.34 | Legality | lvh|petp: ext3 |
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| 19:24.34 | lvh|petp | Legality: my bad. I meant to say: where will the md device be mounted? |
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| 19:24.43 | sidgyck | xpoint: cat deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian sid main unstable > /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 19:25.27 | xpoint | sidgyck, thanks |
| 19:25.44 | Ssam` | can anyone tell me why http://picpaste.com/apt-cache_search_xorg.JPG error is present |
| 19:26.09 | sidgyck | xpoint: good luck to your friend. |
| 19:26.20 | Legality | lvh|petp: say / ? |
| 19:26.20 | esmm | Hi, I want to install debian on an old laptop without usb, without floppy and without a cdrom drive. The bios does not support net-boot. Currently there's some old Windows on there, and I'm able to access the internet with it. I'm searching for ways to install debian right from windows (any loadlin approach..). This is my problem now: |
| 19:26.23 | Administrator | Ssam`, do you get the same error after a "apt-get update" ? |
| 19:26.35 | Legality | lvh|petp: for example md1 is swap and md2 is / |
| 19:26.42 | Ssam` | hold on man |
| 19:26.49 | Legality | so then the second hdd is also bootable because / includes /boot? |
| 19:27.14 | Ssam` | Administrator i didnt update skipped my mind thanks |
| 19:27.18 | lvh|petp | Legality: I would personally not use raid for a root fs if using md, but that sprobably just personal paranoia and has no real technical foundation. |
| 19:27.19 | xpoint | sidgyck, np :-) |
| 19:27.27 | Administrator | Ssam`, np. :) |
| 19:27.27 | varney | hey, when i try to access my server via ip, e.g. http://myserverip/ it works ok, but via ssl https://myserverip/ it isn't working even though ssl is enabled - any ideas? |
| 19:27.35 | Administrator | grr, shoddy client |
| 19:27.38 | Wyzard | Legality: /boot isn't all that's needed for booting |
| 19:27.49 | Wyzard | Legality: There's also the bootloader itself (e.g. GRUB) which lives in the MBR |
| 19:27.54 | esmm | the old machine has 32M of memory, when I try to loadlin using the goodbye-microsoft.com installer, I get 'Less than 4MB of memory -- System halted'. Any ideas? |
| 19:27.57 | Legality | MBR? |
| 19:27.59 | Legality | !MBR |
| 19:28.00 | dpkg | hmm... mbr is the Master Boot Record, the first bit of code loaded from the hard drive when a PC boots. to install a clean MBR (e.g. to get rid of lilo if it is in the mbr) from DOS one can run "fdisk /mbr"; from linux "install-mbr /dev/hda", or ask me about <fixmbr> |
| 19:28.15 | Legality | ok |
| 19:28.21 | Wyzard | It's not part of any partition |
| 19:28.42 | Wyzard | so if you make a RAID array of partitions, the MBR is not part of the array |
| 19:28.43 | Legality | darny, so after the first hdd has crashed, how will I get the system running with the second hdd? |
| 19:28.47 | Legality | yea |
| 19:29.03 | Wyzard | You could install GRUB in the second drive's MBR |
| 19:29.14 | Wyzard | either beforehand, or after the crash by using a liveCD or something |
| 19:29.15 | esmm | .. so is there a way to boot the debian installer using the Windows boot loader? |
| 19:29.23 | Frosty- | Windows Server 2003 share. From W2K3 -> Vista >30MByte/s. From W2K3 > Debian (cifs mount), 3MByte/sec ... what can I do? |
| 19:29.34 | lvh|petp | Legality: normally, md will try its hardest to make the md device. However, if it's your root device, you're a bit stuck in catch 22 (but it might still work) |
| 19:29.43 | lvh|petp | Legality: this is why I keep raid for /var/www et al |
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| 19:30.08 | Wyzard | lvh|petp: Root-on-RAID is handled with an initramfs |
| 19:30.31 | Legality | lvh|petp: you don't raid your / at all? |
| 19:30.35 | lvh|petp | Wyzard: right. I don't use initrd and I don't use root-on-raid, so you're probably right. |
| 19:30.39 | lvh|petp | Legality: no. |
| 19:30.40 | lvh|petp | Legality: why would you? |
| 19:30.41 | Wyzard | Legality: Actually, your /boot has to be a plain partition too, not part of the RAID array, unless you're using GRUB2 (which is packaged in unstable, but not in etch, and it's not "finished" yet) |
| 19:30.56 | lvh|petp | Legality: sec, allow me to ask a different question |
| 19:31.02 | Legality | ok |
| 19:31.03 | lvh|petp | Legality: what is this box going to do? |
| 19:31.07 | Wyzard | lvh|petp: I have root-on-LVM-on-crypt-on-RAID5 and it works fine |
| 19:31.07 | Legality | shared hosting |
| 19:31.34 | lvh|petp | Legality: okay. How many disks do you plan to use in said box? |
| 19:31.37 | Legality | 2 |
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| 19:32.55 | Frosty- | Wyzard, my /boot is a raid1, /dev/md0, and I'm using grub 0.97 |
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| 19:33.12 | Frosty- | but I have to add grub to each drive manually |
| 19:33.18 | Legality | The thing what I'm trying to figure out is what to do when the first hdd crashes.. Do I just wait until the first hdd is replaced and try to readd the array and overwrite the first hdd with the second hdd's data and the system will be back to normal or can I use the second hdd to run the server until the first hdd is replaced |
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| 19:33.44 | Wyzard | Frosty-: hmm... good point; I guess on raid1 it's OK, as an exception because that doesn't do any striping |
| 19:33.55 | Frosty- | ah true, striping is the key |
| 19:34.14 | lvh|petp | Legality: in my case, and im speaking from experience |
| 19:34.17 | Wyzard | Legality: You can use the second disk to run the system (with the array in degraded mode, only 1 of 2 disks present) *if* you arrange to make the second disk bootable |
| 19:34.28 | lvh|petp | Legality: I have /var/www on 2 disks raid1, nothing else on the dsisk for the record |
| 19:34.30 | Wyzard | Legality: which should just consist of putting GRUB on it |
| 19:34.51 | lvh|petp | Legality: my second drive failed, mdadm complained loudly, but the system suffered no downtime |
| 19:35.10 | Wyzard | Legality: (As Frosty- pointed out, you can disregard what I said about /boot not working on RAID since you're using RAID-1) |
| 19:35.11 | Legality | yea but it's just the second hdd, I'm trying to figure out what to do if the first hdd fails |
| 19:35.14 | lvh|petp | Legality: I tried rebooting the system just for kicks, and again, it booted but not without complaining loudly |
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| 19:35.45 | cder | how toopen a vnc terminal in etch |
| 19:35.57 | cder | tightvnc? |
| 19:36.02 | Ssam` | how big is xorg? |
| 19:36.09 | Ssam` | it says 53 mb |
| 19:36.30 | Legality | Wyzard: Lets say the first hdd crashes and the system goes down. I can reboot the box to a rescue mode(network boot) and mount the disks, what changes would I need to do to the second hdd or to the system? I'm not actually even sure how to install the grub to the second hdd via the network boot :/ |
| 19:36.52 | Legality | Wyzard: I would have only remote access |
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| 19:37.41 | Wyzard | Legality: If the first disk crashes, can you assume that it will be removed and the BIOS will automatically try to boot from the remaining one? |
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| 19:38.26 | Legality | removed physically? I guess the BIOS would still try to boot the first hdd |
| 19:38.41 | Legality | so I would need a console access to the server to access the BIOS? |
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| 19:39.04 | Wyzard | Most BIOSes will try to boot the first disk that's actually present in the system |
| 19:39.13 | Wyzard | so removing the failed "first" disk would make the "second" one the new "first" |
| 19:39.22 | Legality | yea, I would not be able to remove the first disc |
| 19:39.25 | Wyzard | but it depends on your system |
| 19:39.33 | Legality | hmm.. |
| 19:39.37 | Wyzard | then your first problem is the BIOS |
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| 19:39.47 | Legality | does BIOS come first, then grub/lilo? |
| 19:40.02 | Wyzard | You can put GRUB on the second disk so that Debian will boot successfully if the BIOS tries to boot from that disk |
| 19:40.10 | Wyzard | but it's up to the BIOS what disk it tries to boot from |
| 19:40.11 | Wyzard | yes |
| 19:40.29 | Wyzard | The BIOS chooses a disk to boot from, reads its first sector (the MBR) into RAM, and runs it |
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| 19:40.38 | Legality | Wyzard: how can I install grub to the second hdd if it's already added to the array with the first hdd? |
| 19:40.50 | Wyzard | The MBR contains GRUB or LILO, which loads the kernel from elsewhere on the disk and starts that running |
| 19:40.57 | Legality | ok |
| 19:41.11 | Wyzard | You can still access the raw disks, e.g. /dev/sda and /dev/sdb |
| 19:41.26 | Wyzard | You'd put GRUB in the MBR of /dev/sdb (assuming that's the device name for your second disk) |
| 19:41.32 | Wyzard | or maybe /dev/hdb (if you're using IDE disks) |
| 19:41.45 | Legality | btw... If I mounted /dev/sdb, would I see the data I have in sda? |
| 19:42.06 | Wyzard | yes, because it's mirrored on both |
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| 19:42.32 | Legality | intresting |
| 19:42.37 | peterius | I think both dbus and pcmcia/network are running dhcp clients, which one do I turn off and how? |
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| 19:43.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | ./etqw.x86: error while loading shared libraries: libx86.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:43.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone please help me out with this problem? |
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| 19:43.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can find the file: |
| 19:43.56 | Legality | I still need to learn the basic commands of mdadm, I'm not sure how to add raid1 arrays etc. I guess the command is something like this: mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --level=raid1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 19:43.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | darkapostrophe@Shadowfax:~$ locate libx86.s |
| 19:43.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | /lib/libx86.so.1 |
| 19:44.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | But apparently, ETQW can't :/ |
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| 19:44.17 | Legality | Wyzard: just a check up, does that command look correct when I'm trying to add sdb1 to mirror sda1? |
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| 19:45.00 | peterius | dark_apostrophe: try looking in ldconfig -v output for the library |
| 19:45.27 | Wyzard | That looks right, but if you were previously using /dev/sda1 directly, you also have to change things like your /etc/fstab and GRUB configuration to use /dev/md0 instead |
| 19:45.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | peterius: The only mention is: libx86.so.1 -> libx86.so.1 |
| 19:46.07 | pundi1 | i have to downgrade my libc6. when i do this by aptitude it says: 'rating score - 960.' what exactly does that mean? where can i get more infos on apititude? |
| 19:46.08 | dniel | How I can do a downgrade of a package in debian? |
| 19:46.26 | peterius | could the library be a dead link? |
| 19:46.46 | Legality | Wyzard: what about if I was using lilo? |
| 19:47.02 | pundi1 | dniel: i am trying to downgrade by: 'aptitude install package-name=old_version |
| 19:47.06 | pundi1 | ' |
| 19:47.52 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: what's uname -m ? |
| 19:47.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | peterius: It seems to contain some data: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 216936 2008-02-09 20:55 libx86.so. |
| 19:47.56 | Wyzard | Legality: then you'd update the config for that instead, but you shouldn't really use LILO |
| 19:48.02 | dniel | pundi1: and does it works? |
| 19:48.04 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: x86_64 |
| 19:48.09 | peterius | but some particular app can't find it? |
| 19:48.19 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: But the game has worked fine before. |
| 19:48.20 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: suggest that the problem is that the binary is ia32 in that case... |
| 19:48.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | I know that it's a 32-bit game, but it's worked fine before... |
| 19:48.47 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: your /lib/libx86.so.1 will be x86_64; were you running it in a chroot before? |
| 19:48.51 | pundi1 | dniel: yes. it works. but it is 'dangerous' as it has to downgrade all depending packages also. i have not done it yet and i am here before i do that |
| 19:49.12 | peterius | I think dbus and pcmia/network are both running dhcp clients, anyone know how to handle this? |
| 19:49.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: No |
| 19:49.29 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: has ia32-libs become uninstalled? |
| 19:49.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: let me check.. |
| 19:49.41 | dniel | pundi1: ok... thanks! |
| 19:49.45 | dniel | :) |
| 19:49.58 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: nope |
| 19:50.24 | pundi1 | dniel the syntax is: 'aptitude install <packagename>=<old version number>' |
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| 19:51.13 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: anyway, that's the fault description, an x86_64 shared object is no use to an x86 binary |
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| 19:51.28 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: But how come it worked before, then? :/ |
| 19:51.45 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: as to (where the ia32 libx86-1 has gone|why it's started needing libx86.so.1 now), I don't know. |
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| 19:51.50 | dniel | pundi1: I have a problem with the last upgrade. My kde system songs doesn't work now :( |
| 19:52.05 | xingu | Dark_Apostrophe: debugging both the bracketed terms is the next-step though, that much I do know. |
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| 19:52.30 | white_eagle | how can I setup a file to have 644 permissions? |
| 19:52.37 | peterius | chmod 644 file |
| 19:52.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | xingu: Hmm, maybe I could download the 32-bit package, extract the file and stick it into /lib32? |
| 19:52.54 | white_eagle | ... |
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| 19:53.20 | dniel | Now I'm using Debian Lenny for Desktop. Is Ubuntu better than debian for that? |
| 19:53.28 | pundi1 | dniel i know about nothing about kde. sorry. i did not even know that there are kde system songs |
| 19:53.47 | simonrvn | white_eagle: info chmod |
| 19:53.51 | pundi1 | dniel: ubuntu is supposed to be a distribution which is more for the 'common people' |
| 19:53.53 | cusco | hello |
| 19:54.00 | white_eagle | simonrvn: thanks |
| 19:54.09 | Legality | oen more question... What if my first hdd crashes and it's replaced. How can I bring the data from the second hdd to the first one? |
| 19:54.19 | white_eagle | that solves the prob |
| 19:54.20 | amphi | !better |
| 19:54.20 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 19:54.24 | cusco | this is what my dmesg shows (i/o errors on my sata dvd drive) - http://rafb.net/p/JSvYRX41.html |
| 19:54.28 | dniel | pundi1: hahaha I am not a common people! :) |
| 19:54.38 | Legality | and can I bring the data from the second hdd to the first one if the system is booted via the first hdd and the raid is / |
| 19:54.40 | cusco | but the drive works just fine under windows... |
| 19:54.42 | cusco | so... |
| 19:54.51 | pundi1 | amphi thx!:) |
| 19:54.51 | cusco | I found this http://mjg59.livejournal.com/84786.html |
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| 19:55.34 | cusco | saying that ICH8 is a bit different from ICH7 and there is a patch for teh 2.6.24 kernel |
| 19:55.48 | cusco | I would like to report this to debian so it could be fixed |
| 19:55.57 | dniel | but lenny works very good! |
| 19:55.58 | cusco | should I fill abug report? regarding what package? |
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| 19:56.45 | pundi1 | dniel lenny is not out yet :S |
| 19:57.01 | amphi | dniel: yes, it works fine here |
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| 19:57.43 | pundi1 | amphi can u tell me where i can learn about aptitude and its rating score ? |
| 19:57.58 | amphi | the aptitude docs? |
| 19:58.22 | dniel | pundi1 and amphi : It has only this problem. When you upgrade, it would damage, because some package are in beta mode |
| 19:58.40 | pundi1 | specifically the rating score... is -960 high? |
| 19:58.44 | pundi1 | is it dangerous? |
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| 19:59.06 | dniel | pundi1 and amphi: my english isn't good because I'm not a english man |
| 19:59.18 | dniel | pundi1: i'm from argentina |
| 19:59.44 | debian | Can I tun debian in qemu? |
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| 19:59.50 | debian | s/tun/run |
| 19:59.56 | cusco | yes |
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| 20:00.23 | Ssam` | okay now i cant seem to install x |
| 20:00.34 | pundi1 | dniel i can understand you fine :) |
| 20:00.37 | Fabio_Como | I have a english debian, but on that I run php scripts that should print out "italian dates", so I need to install the italian locale.. but I don't want my debian in italian.. i just want to use the italian locale in php scripts.. any idea? thanks |
| 20:00.44 | Fabio_Como | I already installed "locales" packages. |
| 20:00.46 | Ssam` | i mean start x |
| 20:00.47 | pundi1 | dniel dont worry about the english |
| 20:00.50 | Ssam` | it says fatal error |
| 20:00.56 | debian | cusco: Same command as in running reactos? |
| 20:01.06 | dniel | pundi1: thanks! :) |
| 20:01.08 | cusco | I dunno what reactos is |
| 20:01.19 | debian | Can qemu install debian? |
| 20:01.25 | debian | Or just run livecd? |
| 20:01.54 | sidgyck | cusco: www.reactos.org |
| 20:02.11 | debian | cusco: Can it install debian? |
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| 20:03.04 | suppaman | Fabio_Como: I think that's a matter of php functions |
| 20:03.07 | pundi1 | amphi yes the aptitude docs. i am at utter loss here :S |
| 20:03.10 | dniel | pundi1: in this channel are there any developer of debian? |
| 20:03.29 | Fabio_Como | suppaman: they use system locales.. |
| 20:03.32 | amphi | pundi1: I haven't read them either ;) |
| 20:03.36 | pundi1 | dniel i am myself just a guest here |
| 20:03.42 | Fabio_Como | suppaman: i executed #dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:03.42 | debian | I want to run debian in virtualization |
| 20:03.46 | suppaman | I think this is the most reactos-talkative day in the year |
| 20:03.49 | Fabio_Como | i hope to have done the right thing.. |
| 20:03.49 | pundi1 | amphi where are they? |
| 20:03.54 | Ssam` | can anyone help me when i type startx it says fatal error |
| 20:04.18 | pundi1 | amphi except the man-page |
| 20:04.22 | amphi | pundi1: aptitude install aptitude-doc-en (or whatever lang) |
| 20:04.26 | suppaman | Ssam`: probably many can, it depends on the actual error tho' |
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| 20:04.47 | dniel | debian: are you a developer of debian proyect? |
| 20:04.57 | Ssam` | well i just installed xorg-core |
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| 20:05.04 | sidgyck | ssam: show the xorg output to me. |
| 20:05.05 | pundi1 | amphi nice! ic. however, are they not to be read on the web too? |
| 20:05.13 | Ssam` | it installed and when i type startx it says |
| 20:05.14 | Ssam` | hold on |
| 20:05.18 | amphi | pundi1: probably |
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| 20:06.23 | Fabio_Como | what's the default locale on debian ? en_US or en_UK or something else? thanks |
| 20:06.26 | debian | dniel: Not really, what do you need help with? |
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| 20:07.33 | Ssam` | http://picpaste.com/xorg-core.JPG |
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| 20:08.17 | pundi1 | debian hm since dniel is silent ... my question is if a package downgrade with aptitude is dangerous if its score is -960 |
| 20:08.26 | zinx | !fixed |
| 20:08.26 | dpkg | somebody said fixed font was if X is complaining about "finding font 'fixed'" you don't have the xfonts-base package. usually this means you want to "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 20:09.44 | sidgyck | ssam: did you install fonts? |
| 20:10.00 | dniel | debian: Nop, I don't have any problem. I'm from argentina and I'm using this operative system. I wanna know a developer of debian. I wanna give my congratulation about this operative system |
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| 20:10.03 | Ssam` | i dont noe i just typed apt-get install xserver-xorg-core |
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| 20:10.10 | Jemt | How do i check which number is greater than the other in a shell script ? if [ $num -gt $numm ] then \n echo "yes" \n fi # results in "Unary operator expected" |
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| 20:11.13 | themill | Jemt: either $num or $numm is unset at the time of comparison |
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| 20:11.37 | sfire||mouse | Jemt: if [[ 2 -gt 1 ]]; then echo 1; fi |
| 20:11.39 | suppaman | Fabio_Como: can't help sry |
| 20:11.42 | themill | Jemt: so you effectively have "if [ -gt 7 ] ..." (say) |
| 20:11.54 | Jemt | I'm able to echo both variables |
| 20:11.58 | Jemt | sfire||mouse: Yes, that works |
| 20:12.08 | debian | dniel: Ok... |
| 20:12.11 | peterius | does dbus run its on dhcp client? |
| 20:12.18 | suppaman | can I zoom to fit using xsetbg? |
| 20:12.45 | Wyzard | peterius: no |
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| 20:12.58 | Jemt | My Shell Script that dosn't work : http://pastebin.ca/974451 |
| 20:13.05 | suppaman | ah -fullscreen :-p |
| 20:13.05 | Wyzard | peterius: though NetworkManager utilizes a service called "dhcdbd", which is a dbus frontend to dhclient |
| 20:13.09 | sidgyck | ssam: try to install libxfont1 |
| 20:13.10 | peterius | wyzard: well it does something with dhcp though right? like offers configuration stuff? |
| 20:13.28 | Wyzard | peterius: dbus doesn't "do" anything by itself; it just lets programs communicate with each other |
| 20:13.28 | peterius | wyzard: okay, that's it, well I have dhclient running as well, I'd rather get rid of the network manager really... anything I should know? |
| 20:13.48 | Wyzard | peterius: Uninstall network-manager if you don't want it |
| 20:14.00 | peterius | wyzard: yeah I know what dbus does I just didn't know whether it was related to some other dhclient |
| 20:14.07 | peterius | wyzard: what does network manager do? |
| 20:14.09 | sidgyck | ssam: and xorg-server (if not already installed) |
| 20:14.12 | Wyzard | peterius: though it automatically ignores any interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces, so having it installed should be harmless even if you aren't using it |
| 20:14.14 | Ssam` | apt-get install libxfont1 |
| 20:14.27 | peterius | wyzard: well there's two dhcp clients running on my system |
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| 20:14.36 | zmitya | hi all |
| 20:14.36 | Wyzard | peterius: It configures wired and wireless interfaces based on availability (i.e. plug in a cable and it brings up the interface) |
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| 20:14.56 | peterius | that's it? |
| 20:14.56 | zmitya | guys, what do I miss if I can't set up the default locale ? |
| 20:15.01 | zmitya | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:15.04 | sidgyck | ssam: aptitude istall libxfont1 |
| 20:15.11 | Wyzard | peterius: It has frontends for GNOME and KDE that let you choose available wireless networks, prompt for a password if necessary, and enable/disable networking overall |
| 20:15.19 | zmitya | select hu_HU, than exit, login again and the locale is still posix |
| 20:15.26 | Ssam` | whats the differnece b/w aptitude install and apt-get install |
| 20:15.40 | peterius | and network manager is running its on dhclient? |
| 20:15.41 | suppaman | Wyzard: I found it unusable |
| 20:15.49 | Wyzard | suppaman: How so? |
| 20:16.09 | peterius | *own |
| 20:16.10 | suppaman | Wyzard: it wasn't consistant with interfaces in /etc/networks |
| 20:16.20 | suppaman | Wyzard: or maybe with gnome network configurator, can't remember now |
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| 20:16.32 | Wyzard | suppaman: It only manages interfaces that *aren't* configured in /etc/networking/interfaces |
| 20:16.38 | suppaman | Wyzard: I see |
| 20:16.52 | Wyzard | suppaman: so that it doesn't take over things that you already have configured that way |
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| 20:17.18 | Ssam` | didnt work |
| 20:17.22 | Ssam` | and xorg is already installed |
| 20:17.23 | NewMonarch | Hey, how come I can't get the latest version of imagemagick by using aptitude install? |
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| 20:18.19 | Ssam` | i installed xorg-core myself |
| 20:18.25 | Ssam` | using apt-get though |
| 20:18.37 | peterius | wyzard: you said dhcdbd was a dbus front end to dhclient, presumably so that the network manager can access it through dbus, is that correct? |
| 20:18.44 | Wyzard | correct |
| 20:19.22 | peterius | wyzard: but the network manager is supposed to know when dhclient is already running and not start one? |
| 20:19.49 | sidgyck | ssam: use aptitude it install dependencies too. |
| 20:19.54 | Wyzard | peterius: I think it starts its own |
| 20:20.09 | Wyzard | peterius: The dhclient process running on my system has "-e dhc_dbus=31" on its command line |
| 20:20.44 | peterius | wyzard: well my issue is that upon shutdown, there's a dhclient, presumably the one with "dhc_dbus" that has to be killed by the TERM signal, not by any script |
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| 20:21.31 | Wyzard | peterius: How do you know it's the dhcdbd one and not the other one? |
| 20:21.42 | peterius | wyzard: I don't know anything |
| 20:22.04 | sidgyck | ssam: aptitude install xfonts-base |
| 20:22.10 | peterius | wyzard: I'm suspicious of dbus |
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| 20:22.41 | peterius | wyzard: I'd rather have a library that wraps standard IPC calls then a daemon |
| 20:23.07 | Frosty- | copying files from a mounted cifs share (on a win2003 server), I gave 40MByte/sec write, and 3MByte/sec read, what gives :( |
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| 20:23.24 | Wyzard | peterius: dhclient itself has a remote-management interface built into it, called "omapi" |
| 20:23.36 | Wyzard | peterius: and there's an "omshell" program you can use to interact with it |
| 20:23.45 | peterius | wyzard: ick, is there a conf option to disable it? |
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| 20:24.14 | Wyzard | peterius: but that's based on establishing a socket connection to the daemon; dhcdbd just adapts it to an interface that's more convenient to use from other software |
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| 20:25.00 | Wyzard | peterius: What's wrong with the DHCP client being made into a system service on a messaging bus? |
| 20:25.26 | Flotto | what can i do if my dhclient told me: SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable? |
| 20:25.29 | peterius | wyzard: the system already has "messaging buses", dbus is unnecessary |
| 20:25.49 | Wyzard | peterius: like what? |
| 20:25.52 | peterius | wyzard: but everything uses it so I guess I have to keep it |
| 20:25.54 | ed_ | does anyone know of a simple guide for creating deb packages? |
| 20:25.58 | ed_ | something short |
| 20:26.17 | peterius | wyzard: standard IPC |
| 20:26.25 | peterius | wyzard: localhost sockets |
| 20:26.27 | Ssam` | ed_ google is your friend |
| 20:27.01 | suppaman | bye |
| 20:27.01 | Wyzard | peterius: Sockets are a low-level interface that require each program using them to define its own message format and encode/decode logic |
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| 20:27.08 | peterius | wyzard: I mean whatever, I can't really avoid dbus, but how can I fix this dhclient issue? how would you suggest diagnosing it? |
| 20:27.21 | peterius | wyzard: each program has to define its own message format/encode logic anyway |
| 20:27.38 | Wyzard | peterius: not really; dbus defines a set of data types and provides marshalling for them |
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| 20:27.57 | peterius | wyzard: my objection is to dbus as a daemon and not as a library |
| 20:28.30 | Wyzard | peterius: and also provides facilities for "discovering" services on the bus (e.g. Epiphany's RSS extension just looks for a certain dbus interface to add RSS feeds, and will work with any RSS reader which implements that interface) |
| 20:29.06 | Wyzard | peterius: btw, the dhclient run by dhcdbd isn't running as a daemon; it's running as a normal child process of dhcdbd |
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| 20:29.42 | peterius | wyzard: well I seem to only have the one dhclient as well as dhcdbd, so what do you thinks keeping it from exiting with the other daemons? |
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| 20:30.04 | orgeat | Hi, I'm looking for the log file with all the startup warnings |
| 20:30.41 | amphi | orgeat: /var/log/dmesg ? |
| 20:30.55 | Wyzard | peterius: I thought you said you had two dhclients running? |
| 20:31.00 | peterius | wyzard: as for service discovery, I guess I can see how that might be neat but... it just seems like its... overkill or something |
| 20:31.12 | peterius | wyzard: I thought that dhcdbd was a dhclient for dbus |
| 20:31.19 | Wyzard | ah |
| 20:31.37 | Wyzard | peterius: I dunno then... I've never seen that happen with my dhclient |
| 20:31.47 | orgeat | oh yes seems to be |
| 20:31.53 | peterius | wyzard: it seems like there aren't that many services on the same system that need to be "discovered", either its there or its not |
| 20:31.59 | orgeat | amphi; thank you |
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| 20:32.21 | peterius | wyzard: I guess I'll figure it out eventually |
| 20:32.26 | fas3r | how to search text in file but in directory ? |
| 20:33.16 | Wyzard | peterius: It's used by e.g. HAL for notifying interested clients of hardware changes |
| 20:33.18 | cusco | find /some/dir -name "some.picture.png" |
| 20:33.36 | peterius | wyzard: that's another thing I don't like, HAL, that's like the windows HAL... that stuff should be within the kernel |
| 20:33.41 | Ssam` | didnt work |
| 20:33.44 | Ssam` | X still not starting |
| 20:33.47 | Ssam` | ill paste a pic |
| 20:33.54 | peterius | wyzard: all these extraneous systems, its just another thing to go wrong, another thing to update and maintain |
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| 20:34.13 | Wyzard | peterius: In GNOME, the Epiphany browser uses NetworkManager's dbus service to be notified when the machine connects or disconnects from a network, to automatically enable/disable "work offline" mode |
| 20:34.36 | peterius | wyzard: that could be done in other ways |
| 20:34.40 | Wyzard | peterius: HAL isn't drivers, it's just an interface for enumerating what hardware is in the system |
| 20:34.42 | sidgyck | ssam: show it to me. |
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| 20:35.00 | Ssam` | okie |
| 20:35.07 | fas3r | cusco: sorry i need to find text containt in file but i don't know the name of this file but i know the directory |
| 20:35.14 | peterius | wyzard: I mean checking if your ethernet cable is plugged in hardly requires a daemon to be running |
| 20:35.14 | Wyzard | peterius: sure, it could, but why build lots of app-specific interaction mechanisms and reinvent the wheel a bunch of times? |
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| 20:35.18 | Ssam` | why do u think x wont install though did i do sumthing wrong? |
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| 20:35.33 | peterius | wyzard: but that's the thing, I don't think there's lots of app-specific interfaces |
| 20:35.42 | Wyzard | peterius: right, but a web browser has no business examining hardware details |
| 20:35.48 | Ssam` | should i have aptitude installed Xorg rahter than apt-get install xserver-xorg-core? |
| 20:36.07 | fas3r | i know it's possible with grep but i don't remember the command |
| 20:36.09 | Wyzard | peterius: A web browser shouldn't have to contain platform-specific code for determining whether the system currently has an IP address and a default route and a cable is plugged in |
| 20:36.32 | Ssam` | http://picpaste.com/xmanager.bmp |
| 20:36.33 | Wyzard | peterius: so it listens for a dbus service to say "we are now on the network" and "we are now off the network", because that's all it cares about |
| 20:36.41 | peterius | wyzard: automatically going into "workoffline" mode doesn't seem that useful... I mean can't it just open a socket connection and if it fails "automatically go into offline mode? |
| 20:36.49 | sidgyck | ssam: aptitude installs package and all dependencies. after that all must work fine. |
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| 20:37.33 | peterius | wyzard: the thing is, the kernel is already an "interface" to the hardware". why have HAL, dbus, network manager all on top of that, the programmer still has to learn a new interface, still has to use specific calls t ocheck for things... |
| 20:37.37 | sidgyck | ssam: install window manager. |
| 20:37.55 | sidgyck | ssam: like windowmaker or fluxbox |
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| 20:38.06 | Wyzard | peterius: "work offline" mode means "load stuff from cache and don't try to establish any network connections"... the point is to avoid trying to make socket connections and having to wait for them to time out |
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| 20:38.23 | Ssam` | oh |
| 20:38.27 | Wyzard | peterius: Have you ever run hal-device-manager? |
| 20:38.36 | amphi | Ssam`: it's better to post png or jpeg images, that are viewable in the browser |
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| 20:38.46 | Ssam` | sidgyck aptitude said xorg server was 53 mb |
| 20:38.59 | sidgyck | ssam: and? |
| 20:39.01 | Ssam` | at 12kb/sec |
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| 20:39.08 | Ssam` | it would take me a few hours |
| 20:39.08 | peterius | wyzard: well then basically you're saying that all these layers of indirection are for supporting things that the kernel doesn't but that can't be added to the kernel because they would break some legacy conformity? |
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| 20:39.23 | Ssam` | well may be more |
| 20:39.25 | withproblems | hi |
| 20:39.25 | DrNoboto | so... what would you do if your /usr partition got junked? |
| 20:39.34 | Wyzard | peterius: No, they just don't belong in the kernel |
| 20:39.39 | peterius | wyzard: I have not run hal-device-manager |
| 20:39.43 | sidgyck | ssam: oh. don't you have any CDs? |
| 20:39.51 | Wyzard | peterius: Install and run hal-device-manager, or gnome-device-manager, and look through it |
| 20:39.59 | Ssam` | and yea sorry about the bmp |
| 20:40.03 | peterius | wyzard: what for? |
| 20:40.11 | Wyzard | peterius: to see what sort of information it provides |
| 20:40.17 | Ssam` | so there |
| 20:40.29 | Wyzard | peterius: because you're arguing against HAL while having apparently no idea what it actually *does* |
| 20:40.31 | withproblems | i have a little problem, i had to change my partition number where is installed the root filesystem, i change the number on fstab and on grub menu file, but when i try to load again it say "waiting for root filesystem" or something like that. |
| 20:40.34 | peterius | wyzard: even if they don't belong in the kernel, all these different daemons are still overkill, have a library to wrap the kernel functions and provide high level interfaces for apps |
| 20:40.43 | Ssam` | :P |
| 20:40.45 | withproblems | what other file do i have to change to my debian boot right |
| 20:40.49 | DrNoboto | or in other words, how would one install a package manager using only the tools in /bin...? |
| 20:40.59 | withproblems | im using debian sid. |
| 20:41.01 | xinming_ | When we use apt-get install blabla, At last, It will say "blabla" is set to be manually installed, How do I make blabla to not be manuall installed? As I've installed gnome, which will automatically pull in gnome-terminal. So, In this case, I don't want gnome-terminal to be set as manually installed |
| 20:41.17 | Ssam` | sidgyck u got the ctcp? |
| 20:41.37 | peterius | wyzard: hardware abstraction layer... that's all I need to know, its useless ;-) |
| 20:41.38 | sidgyck | ssam: yes, cool! |
| 20:41.51 | Ssam` | so you got any idea |
| 20:41.52 | peterius | wyzard: the kernel is a hardware abstraction layer |
| 20:42.02 | Ssam` | this is just a vbox i installed it on |
| 20:42.16 | Wyzard | peterius: Again, you don't know what HAL actually does |
| 20:42.21 | Ssam` | i thought id practice on this before i actually install it on a hard disk |
| 20:42.23 | peterius | wyzard: enlighten me |
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| 20:42.40 | sidgyck | ssam: I got idea |
| 20:42.44 | Wyzard | peterius: It provides a higher-level (and non-Linux-specific) interface with significant additional functionality beyond the kernel's hardware interfaces |
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| 20:42.56 | peterius | well then I do know what it does |
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| 20:43.13 | Ssam` | no sidgyck i meant like any ideas on how i should install it on the hard drive? |
| 20:43.35 | Ssam` | aptitude xorg? or is there another smaller X server that could be of use |
| 20:43.43 | Wyzard | peterius: Based on configurable rules it can associate various properties with specific devices to tell other software how to behave |
| 20:43.46 | peterius | wyzard: that could be done with a library and non-linux-specific is only as good as the other platforms that adopt it, all the more reason to have a library rather than a daemon to simplify matters if such interfaces are really needed |
| 20:44.05 | sidgyck | ssam: xfree? |
| 20:44.13 | Ssam` | is xfree smaller? |
| 20:44.33 | Wyzard | peterius: For example, all USB storage devices are flagged as "removable media", and the GNOME automounter (which is a client of HAL) automatically mounts them when they're plugged in |
| 20:44.37 | sidgyck | ssam: it's older so may be |
| 20:44.38 | withproblems | nobody can help me? :( |
| 20:44.58 | Ssam` | haha |
| 20:44.59 | Wyzard | peterius: I have an eSATA hard drive that I use for backups, and which I connect and disconnect periodically |
| 20:45.16 | Ssam` | umm what did i do wrong when i installed the xorg core? |
| 20:45.20 | peterius | wyzard: what I object to is the philosophy of adding more and more complex systems that's more to maintain and more to break |
| 20:45.23 | pundi1 | Wyzard please help me, i am desperately looking for info about downgrading a package with aptitude; i know how to do it,but i am not sure if i should do it as the score of that downgrade is -960 and several othe packages affected |
| 20:45.24 | Ssam` | should i have gone with xorg dev? |
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| 20:45.34 | Ssam` | i am sorry i started linux like a week ago |
| 20:45.37 | Wyzard | peterius: SATA disks are normally not considered "removable", but I wrote a rule for HAL to consider this particular drive "removable" based on its serial number, so GNOME can auto-mount it when I plug it in |
| 20:45.46 | amphi | Ssam`: you only need -dev packages if you compile something yourself |
| 20:45.46 | Wyzard | peterius: That sort of thing is useful, and wouldn't belong in the kernel |
| 20:45.52 | sidgyck | withproblems: did you change kernel root= param accordingly? |
| 20:45.53 | Ssam` | ahhh |
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| 20:46.08 | Ssam` | but xorg-core wasnt starting X |
| 20:46.10 | peterius | wyzard: no they wouldn't belong in the kernel but they're very specific things and they don't justify 4 different daemons |
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| 20:46.26 | Ssam` | i should isntall xorg-core then xbase-fonts |
| 20:46.27 | withproblems | sidgyck: i saw... right now.. sorry stupid issue |
| 20:46.27 | Wyzard | peterius: the reason HAL is a daemon is because it listens for changes to hardware (i.e. hotplugging stuff) and sends notifications to anything listening for the event |
| 20:46.32 | withproblems | sidgyck: thanks a lot |
| 20:46.41 | Wyzard | peterius: as opposed to having a bunch of different processes all individually monitoring hardware directly |
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| 20:46.46 | sidgyck | withproblems: np :-) |
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| 20:47.03 | peterius | wyzard: I understand that, but part of the kernel's responsibilities are scheduling IO and callbacks |
| 20:47.29 | Ssam` | anyways how may i install fluxbox? |
| 20:47.34 | Ssam` | aptitude install fluxbox? |
| 20:47.34 | peterius | wyzard: its overkill because its too many different systems offering their own abstractions and interfaces |
| 20:47.44 | Wyzard | peterius: The HAL daemon also actually implements actions like "mount volume", again so that individual apps (like the GNOME automounter) can be isolated from platform-specific details |
| 20:47.50 | DexTerDDIT | please can someone tell me how can i add resolutions to my x ?? |
| 20:47.54 | sidgyck | ssam: yes |
| 20:48.20 | Ssam` | lol it gives me options and says this aptitude does not have super cow powers |
| 20:48.22 | Ssam` | lol thats funny |
| 20:48.23 | Ssam` | lmao |
| 20:48.32 | peterius | wyzard: you can give me this list of specific features that could easily be accomplished in other ways but its not going to make me believe that the development philosophy is generally skewed towards complexity and bells and whistles rather than elegance and maintainability |
| 20:48.55 | peterius | or rather that its not skewed |
| 20:49.03 | sidgyck | ssam: sudo aptitude install fluxbox |
| 20:49.29 | peterius | wyzard: ugh, I'm sorry, I always get into these meaningless arguments |
| 20:49.39 | peterius | wyzard: thanks for the dhclient advice |
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| 20:49.41 | Ssam` | i like fluxbox its like 1 mb |
| 20:49.54 | Ssam` | lol how large is xfce |
| 20:50.41 | sidgyck | ssam: xfce depends on gtk, that why it's bigger. |
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| 20:51.31 | tvynr | Anyone have a moment to point me in the right direction as to why my BIND9 server isn't always recursing properly? |
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| 20:51.43 | Ssam` | yay fluxbox isntalled |
| 20:51.49 | Ssam` | i finally installed x and gui on debian |
| 20:51.56 | Ssam` | on my own |
| 20:52.01 | tvynr | :) |
| 20:52.04 | Ssam` | well with a lott of help like 5 days of help |
| 20:52.12 | Ssam` | :) |
| 20:52.14 | Wyzard | peterius: You're talking as if this approach involves lots of daemons and bloat, but hald consumes about 4MB of RAM (3.1MB of which is shareable) and negligible CPU |
| 20:52.21 | Ssam` | sidgyck thank you man |
| 20:52.46 | sidgyck | ssam: good luck |
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| 20:53.20 | orgeat | Hi, My printing server localhost:631 is not correctly configured, where should I configure it ? |
| 20:53.34 | Wyzard | peterius: The development philosophy is "skewed" toward higher-level interfaces that support a broad range of functionality in a unified way, rather than a bunch of specific interfaces for specific tasks (like checking whether the machine is on the network or handling a plugged-in USB flash drive) |
| 20:53.37 | peterius | wyzard: its not the specific size or memory usage, its that its one more thing that needs to be audited for security, one more thing that can conflict with other systems, one more interface to learn for the programmer... they're not going to stop with dbus and hal, a couple years from now, there will be four more systems that run on top of dbus and hal |
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| 20:54.23 | tvynr | nvm, found it... I didn't have anything in "forwarders" in named.conf.options |
| 20:54.29 | Ssam` | thank you |
| 20:54.30 | peterius | wyzard: by definition you can't really spuport a broad range of functionality in a unified way, it has to be a specific way because you're doing specific things, you're checking for a particular flag on a particular piece of hardware, or whatever |
| 20:54.36 | peterius | wyzard: I should go, cya |
| 20:54.36 | Ssam` | now ill install it on a hdd |
| 20:54.47 | Wyzard | peterius: I'd rather have those four more things run on top of dbus and hal than have them go straight to platform-specific details, even through a library... it's that many *less* things that need to be audited for security if most of the functionality is centralized in one daemon |
| 20:55.06 | peterius | the kernel hides most platform specific details and the hardware IS platform spceific |
| 20:55.13 | Wyzard | peterius: You still haven't even looked at hal-device-manager... take a look at its device tree and the set of properties it associates with devices |
| 20:55.36 | peterius | I've seen a dozen device trees on a dozen different systems, I know what they look like |
| 20:55.53 | Wyzard | peterius: and imagine writing an app that you want to use on both Linux and BSD, where everything in /dev has a different name and often works in slightly different ways |
| 20:56.24 | peterius | wyzard: again, I would argue that a library would suffice |
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| 20:56.37 | Wyzard | peterius: A library would meet some of the needs, but not all |
| 20:56.44 | ed_ | Wyzard: you'd have trouble porting to solaris/hpux/aix if you access /dev directly |
| 20:56.45 | Agiofws | hey is there a tool to see how many clients are conneted to your access Point ? |
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| 20:56.59 | Wyzard | ed_: That's my point; HAL abstracts that away |
| 20:57.09 | Ergo^ | lvh|petp: ive just tested the panel that is avaialbe in lennys repo - i can read "other users" files - that thing should be removed from debians repos :/ |
| 20:57.10 | ed_ | Wyzard: libraries generally do |
| 20:57.25 | ed_ | Agiofws: look at the ethernet layer. it's not accurate but it's close |
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| 20:57.33 | amphi | Ergo^: panel? |
| 20:57.34 | valdyn | ed_: you even have problems porting to different linux kernels if you use /dev/ directly |
| 20:57.42 | Ergo^ | amphi: DTC hosting panel |
| 20:57.48 | Agiofws | ed_, is there a tool ? |
| 20:57.54 | amphi | ah |
| 20:57.56 | ed_ | Agiofws: tcpdump |
| 20:58.06 | Agiofws | you grep what ? |
| 20:58.26 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: are you sure the DTC manual doesnt tell you that it shouldnt be used unless you give each user a separate shell account? |
| 20:58.34 | Ergo^ | had a VPS set up by my hosting company, it appears that everything is owned by one user , and the "restrictions" are done by ftp account |
| 20:58.46 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: I do that anyway, worst case scenario you dont want them to log in, thats no problem: set shell to /bin/false |
| 20:58.51 | ed_ | Agiofws: hey is there a tool to see how many clients are conneted to your access Point ? <- use tcpdump to watch the traffic, something like tcpdump -neXti wlan0 -s 1500 'arp' |
| 20:59.04 | Ergo^ | lvh|petp: $xxx = file_get_contents('/var/www/sites/interhol.pl/interhol.pl/subdomains/www/html/nautilus-debug-log.txt'); - if i can do that successfully - there is no security at all |
| 20:59.42 | orgeat | Could someone help me in configuring CUPS, localhost:631 is unreachable |
| 20:59.43 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: do you let each user run php as their own user or does php have its own separate user? |
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| 21:00.32 | Ergo^ | lvh|petp: im a linux newbie but i guess apache owns everything ? |
| 21:01.29 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: apache? wtf? how about www-data |
| 21:01.41 | Ergo^ | www-data maybe |
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| 21:01.55 | Strang3love | hello |
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| 21:01.57 | Ergo^ | php is not sparate user i guess |
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| 21:02.05 | Strang3love | can someone help me with a dependency issue? |
| 21:02.29 | abrotman | Strang3love: we need more info |
| 21:02.31 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: i let all users run php as their own user, this works well in my experience. Each shell account is locked down anyway. |
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| 21:02.58 | Ergo^ | lvh|petp: there are not shell accounts available to hosting packages |
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| 21:03.06 | dante_atyan | hello guys :D |
| 21:03.08 | Ergo^ | only ftp , http access |
| 21:03.18 | Ergo^ | im launching a virtual machine on my pc to confirm there is some fckp done by my hosting companies admin - but its very unlikly.... |
| 21:03.20 | Teoz | hey all. I have a headless server and configure everything on it through ssh. I made a script to set iptables at startup and in theory all is fine. when i execute the scrip manually to test it, I get /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
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| 21:03.33 | dante_atyan | MoDaX: you there? |
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| 21:03.47 | Strang3love | i run apt-get -f install and dpkg fails trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/evas/modules/engines/buffer/linux-gnu-i486/module.so', which is also in package libevas0-engine-buffer |
| 21:03.50 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: thats not my point, if you make separate users for them as if they were shell accounts |
| 21:03.54 | WaffleMatt | Teoz, Are there windows style line endings in that file? |
| 21:03.57 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: that makes a lot of your administration simpler |
| 21:04.10 | dante_atyan | MoDaX: I'm at a friend's house, fixing stuff |
| 21:04.12 | Ergo^ | lvh|petp: i thought so too |
| 21:04.34 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: also if you want to disable shell login simply set shell to /bin/false and their password to something unusable (unless your ftp server of choice fetches passwords out of shadow) |
| 21:04.34 | Ergo^ | and thought things like cpanel go with that approach too |
| 21:04.34 | Teoz | WaffleMatt: it may be so, i think i built the file in word or notepad under windows and then loaded through samba on the linux box |
| 21:04.51 | dante_atyan | MoDaX: nm, afk again, fixing stuff ^^ bai |
| 21:04.58 | rking | i am using hplip to detect a parallel port printer, but hp-setup says "0 devices found on parallel port" - how can i diagnose the connection? (e.g., can i `cat` to/from /dev/something?) |
| 21:05.05 | Teoz | WaffleMatt: will that problem dissapear if I just write the script through ssh (by using nano to create new file and such) |
| 21:05.05 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: no idea, I did everything by myself so I know whats happening . It might be unconventional, but it works (and it's not production anymore anyway) |
| 21:05.08 | MoDaX | lol |
| 21:05.15 | WaffleMatt | Teoz, I think so. |
| 21:05.27 | Teoz | WaffleMatt: I will try that and will be back to report failure! |
| 21:05.37 | rking | basically, i want something like lsusb but for the parport |
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| 21:05.57 | rking | hrmm... lsdev shows parport0 3 7 0378-037a 0778-077a |
| 21:06.22 | rking | (but it also shows that if i disconnect the printer) |
| 21:06.53 | Strang3love | im having a dependency issue is someone can help http://pastebin.com/d79100034 |
| 21:07.06 | Ergo^ | lvh|petp: i way too inexperienced to administrate anything more than a desktop machine - tho the DTC panel seems to have problems |
| 21:07.55 | pundi1 | somebody can tell me why nobody talks with me about putting package dependencies in order by aptitude install package-old-version-number; which means downgrading one package? |
| 21:08.06 | Quibus | good night |
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| 21:08.32 | rking | Strang3love: you could try installing with dpkg and --force<something> |
| 21:08.39 | lvh|petp | Ergo^: I haven't used it, so I couldn't say anything sensible about it |
| 21:08.46 | abrotman | Strang3love: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:09.04 | Strang3love | would ubuntu know more then you guys? |
| 21:09.17 | abrotman | Strang3love: you're using ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu |
| 21:09.26 | Teoz | WaffleMatt: yeah that did it right! writing my script through nano via SSH took out any annyong notepad add-ins to the text. thanks a bunch ! |
| 21:09.29 | Ergo^ | lvh|petp: on my own test virtualbox debian new folders are owned by www-data |
| 21:09.36 | Strang3love | which is debian is it not? |
| 21:09.46 | abrotman | no ubuntu is NOT debian |
| 21:09.48 | TheOnly | no it is not |
| 21:09.57 | Teoz | whats the main differences^ |
| 21:09.59 | Teoz | ? |
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| 21:10.02 | Teoz | what are * |
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| 21:10.03 | TheOnly | it's only based on debian and sucks hard |
| 21:10.05 | vjoe | hello, anyone from the uk? |
| 21:10.17 | abrotman | vjoe: lots of people, why? |
| 21:10.19 | vjoe | i have a doubt about a term and I know nobody from the UK to ask to |
| 21:10.20 | vjoe | :s |
| 21:10.22 | WaffleMatt | Teoz, the ^M is the extra character introduced in windows-style line endings. |
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| 21:10.27 | DrNoboto | it sucks pretty hard, but it's way better at autodetecting hardware configurations |
| 21:10.30 | bulio| | lets say I create a separate /home partition in ubuntu server, and Ubuntu crashes |
| 21:10.38 | TheOnly | vjoe, what is it? |
| 21:10.38 | bulio| | will I still be able to recover the /home data by say, deleting the ubuntu install and installing debian? |
| 21:10.44 | abrotman | vjoe: do NOT msg me |
| 21:10.47 | WaffleMatt | Yes bulio| |
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| 21:10.52 | vjoe | :s |
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| 21:11.01 | WaffleMatt | You can install debian and leave the /home partition untouched |
| 21:11.08 | abrotman | vjoe: this is a support channel, maybe ask #defocus |
| 21:11.10 | vjoe | well, what is the difference between a post graduate course and a under graduate at an university? |
| 21:11.10 | bulio| | WaffleMatt: I just mount the old /home partition? |
| 21:11.19 | vjoe | i'm trying to join a UK University |
| 21:11.21 | WaffleMatt | bulio|, yes. |
| 21:11.23 | lvh|petp | Ubuntu is based off of debian like so many other clones. However, by now the package repos have diverged so significantly that they deserve their own channel. |
| 21:11.23 | rgr | is there a way to determine what might be installed from a certain repository? e.g what is installed from "unstable"? |
| 21:11.28 | bulio| | perfect, thanks |
| 21:11.31 | vjoe | but I know nothing about their learning system |
| 21:11.34 | vjoe | sorry for the offtopic |
| 21:11.42 | DrNoboto | post graduate means like phd level |
| 21:11.45 | abrotman | vjoe: so ask #defocus .. it's a social channel for the network |
| 21:11.46 | DrNoboto | undergraduate are basic level |
| 21:11.50 | WaffleMatt | bulio|, make sure you choose "manual partitioning" during the install. Choose the correct partition as /home, choose "do not format" or similar. |
| 21:12.07 | bulio| | ok, perfecty |
| 21:12.09 | bulio| | *perfect |
| 21:12.10 | vjoe | DrNoboto, a Software Engineer course would be which one? |
| 21:12.10 | bulio| | thanks |
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| 21:12.21 | TheOnly | vjoe, both |
| 21:12.31 | TheOnly | depends on the degree you want to take |
| 21:12.32 | Ergo^ | hmm.... on my own machine DTC panel creates everything , dirs etc owned by www-data - so i guess that can be readble by everyone too ? ie php can reach all things owned by www-data correct ? |
| 21:12.34 | vjoe | but I have to take the under first, right? |
| 21:12.41 | TheOnly | yes |
| 21:12.48 | DrNoboto | unless you have an undergraduate degree in something related already |
| 21:12.48 | vjoe | ok, thank you |
| 21:12.56 | TheOnly | if you've just finished your secondary education you need to do undergraduate first |
| 21:12.57 | vjoe | yes, thank you |
| 21:13.08 | vjoe | I'm finishing this year |
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| 21:13.13 | vjoe | I want to leave my country |
| 21:13.23 | DrNoboto | what country is that? |
| 21:13.26 | vjoe | Portugal |
| 21:13.27 | bulio| | any have any idea if a 10GB / partition is large enough for a minimal ubuntu LAMP server install? |
| 21:13.29 | lvh|petp | pt |
| 21:13.35 | abrotman | bulio|: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:13.38 | DrNoboto | ah, my girlfriend's twin sister lives there |
| 21:13.39 | Strang3love | so basically even if its based on debian, if it is in anyway associated with ubuntu then its out of your league? and the people at #ubuntu are the only ones with enough know-how to assist with a synaptic dependency issue? |
| 21:13.41 | amphi | vjoe: what's wrong with .pt? |
| 21:13.43 | DrNoboto | maeira |
| 21:13.46 | TheOnly | i'm headed for the UK too |
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| 21:13.54 | DrNoboto | +d |
| 21:13.55 | zyx386 | hi |
| 21:13.59 | TheOnly | already admitted in the university of edinburgh |
| 21:14.04 | abrotman | Strang3love: no .. #debian does NOT support debian-based distros |
| 21:14.05 | rgr | how to determine what sw is installed from unstable? |
| 21:14.10 | zyx386 | how can i install Vodafone Mobile |
| 21:14.11 | zyx386 | Connect Card driver |
| 21:14.11 | zyx386 | for Linux on debian etch? |
| 21:14.13 | vjoe | amphi, bad government |
| 21:14.13 | abrotman | rgr: you can try apt-cache policy |
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| 21:14.18 | zamuro | !tell Strang3love about ubuntu |
| 21:14.20 | abrotman | !ot |
| 21:14.20 | dpkg | [ot] Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 21:14.24 | vjoe | lots of unemployment |
| 21:14.28 | rgr | vjoe: please go away with this noise. |
| 21:14.28 | wfq | hi guys |
| 21:14.33 | amphi | vjoe: that seems to be a fairly universal problem |
| 21:14.35 | vjoe | ok ok, sorry |
| 21:14.40 | zyx386 | i need it |
| 21:14.46 | Ergo^ | lvh|petp: if something is owned by www-data, and php is running as apache module i think that everytihg can be read by php as ling as its owned by www-data ? |
| 21:14.48 | amphi | rgr: sorry, I asked him |
| 21:14.58 | rgr | just cant see responses :-; |
| 21:15.15 | amphi | rgr: you're right, it was quite offtopic |
| 21:15.28 | zyx386 | can i that??? |
| 21:15.29 | wfq | I am trying to firure out why I can not watch movies in my debian lenny with mplayer but I can certainly hear the sound. I am getting this error: Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device |
| 21:15.46 | wfq | anyone has a clue that I could follow please? |
| 21:16.03 | abrotman | wfq: tried another player like xine or totem? |
| 21:16.15 | TheOnly | have you installed the windows codec pack? |
| 21:16.29 | TheOnly | i'm running on lenny and compiled the latest mplayer with no issues |
| 21:16.32 | wfq | TheONly, yes, I installed w32codec |
| 21:16.43 | amphi | wfq: what -vo are you using? did you try -vo xv and -vo x11 ? |
| 21:16.48 | zyx386 | can everyone help?? |
| 21:17.15 | TheOnly | odd.. do you use the precompiled package from the apt repositories? |
| 21:17.20 | wfq | amphi, I just installed mplayer and w32codec and i did not modify anything so I have no idea to be honest |
| 21:17.22 | amphi | everyone? ;) |
| 21:17.29 | wfq | TheOnly, yes |
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| 21:17.48 | abrotman | wfq: try xine/totem/vlc .. see if you get a different error |
| 21:17.51 | TheOnly | doh :( sorry, I usually compile most of my applications |
| 21:18.00 | amphi | wfq: try specifying the output driver; mplayer -vo xv whatever or mplayer -vo x11 whatever |
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| 21:19.33 | TheOnly | by the way, anyone having lenny and a working copy of lsb_release? |
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| 21:19.51 | TheOnly | mine shows Debian Unknown (n/a), and I want to make sure before submitting a bug report |
| 21:20.24 | rgr | abrotman: how do you see apt-cache policy helping? |
| 21:20.35 | abrotman | rgr: paste the output in a pastebin |
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| 21:21.08 | zyx386 | can every one help me??? i have problem with mobile card instalation on debian? |
| 21:21.15 | rgr | abrotman: I know my policy. I have pinning in place. What I want to know is how to find out IF any apps from unstable are installed. |
| 21:21.44 | abrotman | rgr: i think you meant *any* ... and no, there is no easy way .. apt-cache policy would be for a single package |
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| 21:22.48 | wfq | abrotman, you're right. With vlc is working perfectly |
| 21:23.12 | abrotman | wfq: did you try as amphi suggested and specifying -vo x11 or -vo xv ? |
| 21:23.42 | wfq | abrotman, no. I did the easiest but I will try right now |
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| 21:25.21 | wfq | in the preferences, video, the configure driver remains disable whatever I choose, I am going to try from console |
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| 21:30.47 | zyx386 | how can install vodafone driver for linux on debian etch? |
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| 21:31.02 | abrotman | zyx386: have you asked google? do you know which chipset? do you have any information that is useful? |
| 21:31.30 | zyx386 | abrotman, yes i search in google and fount anything |
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| 21:31.48 | zyx386 | the Debian etch is with python 2.4 |
| 21:32.06 | zyx386 | and the software is with python 2.5 |
| 21:32.21 | zyx386 | can install on ubuntu but on debian not |
| 21:33.16 | abrotman | etch has python 2.5 if you install it |
| 21:33.41 | zyx386 | no is with python 2.5 |
| 21:33.45 | zyx386 | sorry 2.4 |
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| 21:35.06 | Scurz | hello |
| 21:35.19 | SpyToreX | hii |
| 21:35.22 | rking | by the way - my printer problems are non-existent (the hplip installer was just lying when it said it was having troubles) |
| 21:36.15 | Scurz | When I do "ping google.fr" => ping: unknown host google.fr ; so, problem of DNS, but my resolv.conf is good http://paste.debian.net/ any ideas? |
| 21:36.29 | zyx386 | abrotman, show in debian package is with python 2.4.4-2 |
| 21:36.34 | Scurz | (sure, I can ping any ip) |
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| 21:37.33 | clone_ | I tried lots of linux software out for fun, like graphics, development, device drivers, ... how would I include that on my resume? |
| 21:37.59 | abrotman | Scurz: try a public DNS server .. like `nslookup www.google.com <IP of public server> |
| 21:37.59 | clone_ | So corel was trying to get into the linux game but gave up and sold it off |
| 21:38.31 | Agiofws | hello |
| 21:39.06 | clone_ | would it be considered software testing? |
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| 21:39.32 | Agiofws | this guy is asking if WHEN he sets up his distro and tweaks it out is there a way to make a bootable dvd of the current tweaked distro ? |
| 21:39.33 | clone_ | I don't know what is going on in the real world outside my bedroom, I heard there is a war |
| 21:39.33 | abrotman | clone_: unless you're actually trying to get a job using one of those software packages .. i'm not sure it's relevant |
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| 21:39.42 | abrotman | clone_: keep it on topic .. |
| 21:39.49 | Scurz | abrotman: ";; connection timed out; no servers could be reached" |
| 21:39.53 | abrotman | Scurz: did you try a public DNS server? |
| 21:40.18 | Scurz | yes, I did |
| 21:40.26 | Scurz | slookup www.google.com 209.85.135.99 |
| 21:40.28 | Scurz | nslookup www.google.com 209.85.135.99 |
| 21:40.29 | abrotman | Scurz: like ... `nslookup www.google.com 208.67.222.222" |
| 21:40.39 | abrotman | or use host |
| 21:41.17 | Scurz | abrotman: same error with host |
| 21:41.54 | Scurz | abrotman: for using dns, we just need the dnsutils package? |
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| 21:42.23 | abrotman | should be enough |
| 21:42.36 | Scurz | okay |
| 21:43.01 | Scurz | so, i don't understand why I can't ping google.com for example... |
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| 21:43.39 | abrotman | Scurz: firewall ? |
| 21:43.42 | clone_ | Scurz, usually when I can't ping, I take that as proof I am not connected to internet |
| 21:43.43 | Scurz | no |
| 21:44.16 | clone_ | but then I am sure you know that |
| 21:45.02 | Scurz | yes |
| 21:45.18 | abrotman | Scurz: any other hosts on the same network ? |
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| 21:45.35 | Scurz | abrotman: you mean, any other computers? |
| 21:45.46 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:46.11 | Scurz | yes, there are 2 computers on the same network |
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| 21:46.15 | Scurz | and they have no problem of DNS |
| 21:46.25 | abrotman | are they linux or windows? |
| 21:46.31 | Scurz | debian |
| 21:46.53 | abrotman | Scurz: but you can ping by IP ? |
| 21:47.31 | Scurz | abrotman: on which computer ? on the other computers? |
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| 21:47.48 | Tramp | Scurz: what is in your resolv.conf? What is the output of "dig +qr +showsearch www.google.com"? |
| 21:47.55 | abrotman | Scurz: any? all? |
| 21:48.00 | abrotman | Scurz: the broken machine |
| 21:48.06 | abrotman | Tramp: he pasted the contents already |
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| 21:48.25 | Scurz | abrotman: on the other computers, I can ping by ip (and google.com), and on the broken machine, I can't |
| 21:48.37 | abrotman | Scurz: you can't even ping by IP? |
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| 21:48.52 | abrotman | Scurz: is your network/route setup correctly? |
| 21:49.01 | Scurz | abrotman: no, I can't |
| 21:49.12 | Scurz | abrotman: apparently not |
| 21:49.52 | Tramp | abrotman: hmm. [23:36:19] <Scurz> When I do "ping google.fr" => ping: unknown host google.fr ; so, problem of DNS, but my resolv.conf is good http://paste.debian.net/ any ideas? - either my IRC client is broken or there is no URL |
| 21:50.26 | abrotman | Tramp: oh .. sorry .. when he pasted he was the newest "anonymous" |
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| 21:50.34 | Scurz | abrotman: I can just ping in the local network (192.168.*.*) |
| 21:50.36 | abrotman | Scurz: is it DHCP ? |
| 21:50.36 | Tramp | [23:36:39] <Scurz> (sure, I can ping any ip) <--- now what exactly is true?? |
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| 21:50.51 | Scurz | Tramp: sorry :) |
| 21:51.00 | babbage | This is an embarrasing question.... I've used Debian continuously since about 2000. But I've only ever installed it on my machine twice. |
| 21:51.07 | Scurz | Tramp: http://paste.debian.net/181 |
| 21:51.21 | babbage | If I download anetinst image, can I use it as a resue disk for my LVM and MD based system? |
| 21:51.43 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 21:51.43 | dpkg | hmm... rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 21:51.46 | Tramp | Scurz: as abrotman said, check your routing |
| 21:51.47 | Scurz | abrotman: no, static |
| 21:51.52 | babbage | s/anetinst/a netinst/; s/resue/rescue/ |
| 21:51.59 | Scurz | Tramp: how ? |
| 21:52.00 | themill | babbage: your install experience is pretty common (that's why I object to the distro "reviews" that spend all their time on the installer... seriously.. how often are you going to install something that is working?) |
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| 21:52.14 | Tramp | Scurz: If you can ping local but not ouside, your default-gateway is most likely not set -- netstat -nr |
| 21:52.16 | Tramp | sorry |
| 21:52.24 | abrotman | Scurz: double check all your network settings .. /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:52.47 | Scurz | Tramp: http://paste.debian.net/183 |
| 21:52.48 | ghoul2083 | how do set the nameserver using ifconfig for dns lookup |
| 21:52.50 | ghoul2083 | ? |
| 21:52.58 | Tramp | Scurz: check netstat -nr for a default-gateway first. |
| 21:53.06 | Tramp | you have no default gateway |
| 21:53.21 | Scurz | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/184 |
| 21:53.40 | abrotman | Scurz: is gateway 192.168.1.1 your real gatway? |
| 21:54.01 | Scurz | abrotman: yes |
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| 21:54.13 | themill | ghoul2083: you don't. You can put it in /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/resolv.conf (or use the resolvconf package) |
| 21:54.19 | phaidros | ghoul2083: ifconfig cannot set nameserver, look into /etc/reslov.conf |
| 21:54.26 | admin_ | anyone know of one of those like, 3D landscaping open source programs? |
| 21:54.40 | abrotman | admin_: there are CAD programs |
| 21:54.47 | admin_ | hmm |
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| 21:54.59 | admin_ | abrotman: can you give me a name? |
| 21:55.03 | Tramp | Scurz: run "ifdown eth1; ifup eth1" See if this fixes your problem |
| 21:55.06 | phaidros | admin_: do you mean 3d online world? 3d modeling? cad? |
| 21:55.08 | themill | admin_: have you had a look on freshmeat or on sf.net? |
| 21:55.11 | abrotman | admin_: freshmeat.net is a good place to look |
| 21:55.18 | admin_ | ok, thanks abrotman , themill |
| 21:55.28 | admin_ | phaidros: well, something like landscape design |
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| 21:55.36 | admin_ | placement of plants, stuff like that in 3D |
| 21:55.53 | Scurz | Tramp: oh, strange http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 21:55.58 | phaidros | admin_: not my area, I'd go for blender there first .. |
| 21:55.59 | Scurz | oops http://paste.debian.net/185 |
| 21:56.01 | ghoul2083 | thanks |
| 21:56.09 | admin_ | heh, blender's too hardcore for me :P |
| 21:56.17 | phaidros | hehe |
| 21:57.05 | Tramp | Scurz: so you configured it manually somehow earlier. No worries. The ifup ran. Has the situation changed? |
| 21:57.30 | Scurz | Tramp: no |
| 21:58.02 | Tramp | Scurz: is the netstat -nr output still the same? |
| 21:58.05 | Flotto | what can i do if my dhclient dont want to work after recovering a backup? |
| 21:58.28 | Scurz | Tramp: yes, it is |
| 21:58.58 | Tramp | Scurz: ok. Manually add the gateway with "route add default gw 192.168.1.1" |
| 21:59.19 | phaidros | Scurz: do you get IP and nameserver via DHCP? and no default gateway is set? is that your problem? |
| 21:59.23 | Scurz | Tramp: great, that works ! |
| 21:59.26 | Tramp | phaidros: no. |
| 21:59.29 | phaidros | ok |
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| 21:59.45 | Scurz | Tramp: thank you very much ! |
| 21:59.54 | Tramp | Scurz: I don't know, why the ifup earlier did not work. Do you reboot this machine from time to time? |
| 21:59.59 | Scurz | abrotman: thank you very much ;) |
| 22:00.10 | Scurz | Tramp: yes |
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| 22:00.40 | Tramp | Scurz: ok. Then check after the next reboot, that the configuration is ok (remember the netstat -nr command and how it should look like) |
| 22:01.12 | lunaphyte | how do i get rid of the S in these permissions? drwx--S--- 0700 isn't doing it. |
| 22:01.22 | Scurz | Tramp: okay, I'll to it after the next reboot. |
| 22:01.27 | Tramp | Scurz: If it does not work after the next reboot, you may have to ask back. But it should be ok. Your interfaces file looks ok. |
| 22:01.38 | Scurz | Tramp: okay, well |
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| 22:02.19 | Flotto | Tramp, if got a similiar problem but he alway told me network unrechable :( |
| 22:02.36 | Flotto | *i have |
| 22:03.32 | Tramp | Flotto: Do you have an interface? What is the output of "ifonfig <interface>"? |
| 22:04.02 | Flotto | yeah i have an interface up and if im booting with the rescue system everything works fine |
| 22:04.43 | Flotto | Tramp, my dhclient returns SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 22:05.18 | Flotto | Tramp, http://pastebin.com/da3783f2 |
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| 22:07.46 | Tramp | Flotto: well. The pastebin is the situation "now" when everything works, right? |
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| 22:08.38 | Flotto | Tramp, no thats the situation where network unreachable. but there is no difference if it works or no difference i can see |
| 22:09.11 | Flotto | with dhclient output: http://pastebin.com/d4bd4eee8 |
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| 22:10.28 | Tramp | Flotto: no idea, where this error comes from. But everything looks fine to me. What exactly is your problem? |
| 22:10.35 | Nurulwai | Are there any disadvantages to having the SMP kernel on a computer with only a single cpu/core? |
| 22:10.59 | Wyzard | Nurulwai: Potentially slightly less performance, but I think that's minimal on current kernels |
| 22:11.24 | vvd | wasnt smp and non smp the same nowadays, eg, detected at runtime? |
| 22:11.48 | vvd | do we have smp kernels? ^^) *check |
| 22:11.48 | Flotto | Tramp, with this configuration the network is unreachable and no one can connect |
| 22:11.50 | themill | vvd: correct, for 686 kernels (not 486 though) |
| 22:11.57 | Wyzard | If the kernel is SMP-enabled, it detects at startup whether the SMP functionality is actually needed, and disables it if not |
| 22:12.32 | Wyzard | which is why the performance difference should be minimal, and why all Debian's standard kernels are SMP-enabled now |
| 22:12.47 | Wyzard | It's possible to build a kernel without SMP support, but not really much need for that |
| 22:13.25 | Nurulwai | Fairy nuff. I'm a spaz and only just spotted the 'SMP' bit under uname. Figured being that it was the one installed by default there wouldn't be any harm in, but figured I may as well ask anyway. |
| 22:13.29 | Nurulwai | ta for the info. |
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| 22:14.51 | Tramp | Flotto: ah. I see. your network-configuration is not ok. Who is running this dhcp Server? |
| 22:15.21 | Flotto | my server provider |
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| 22:16.02 | Tramp | Flotto: or maybe it is. Is this a virtual hosted server? |
| 22:16.07 | Flotto | no |
| 22:16.11 | themill | I ran "shutdown -Fr now" but there is no evidence (in dmesg) of the fsck having run and a couple of partitions still seem to have errors if I run fsck in ro mode. What have I missed? (remote server running etch, only ssh access, no serial console) |
| 22:16.55 | Flotto | Tramp, its an normal rootserver and i just recovered the backup and now i cant use the network |
| 22:17.08 | Cle0 | i have donwload one rource file and when make configure i have this message configure: error: libcurl curl-config was not found in PATH |
| 22:18.10 | abrotman | Cle0: apt-cache search curl dev |
| 22:18.24 | themill | Cle0: it's in the libcurl3-gnutls-dev and libcurl3-openssl-dev packages |
| 22:18.54 | Cle0 | i musst install it? |
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| 22:19.49 | themill | Cle0: well if you need it and it's not installed, that that is the traditional approach, yes |
| 22:19.57 | abrotman | Cle0: what are you compiling? |
| 22:20.11 | Cle0 | nepenthes |
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| 22:20.40 | Tramp | Flotto: well. I think the IP config is ok for a customer with a single IP address. However, in this case you need a route to reach the gateway. It looks as if you lack this. Can you pastebin netstat -rn - this route should be set through dhcp as well though. |
| 22:21.15 | Flotto | Tramp, there is no route set |
| 22:21.21 | Cle0 | abrotman |
| 22:21.42 | abrotman | okay .. |
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| 22:22.13 | Tramp | Flotto: then there is a problem with the dhcp setup. The server must be told, that the gateway is directly connected. |
| 22:22.44 | Tramp | Flotto: is there also no gateway set? |
| 22:23.07 | Flotto | Tramp, how to check this? |
| 22:23.17 | Tramp | Flotto: netstat -nr |
| 22:23.35 | Tramp | or ip route show |
| 22:23.38 | Flotto | Tramp, there is only the head output |
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| 22:24.13 | Flotto | Tramp, Kernel IP Routentabelle |
| 22:24.13 | Flotto | Ziel Router Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 22:25.07 | Flotto | Tramp, and if i want to add a default gw i get an SIOCADDRT: Network unreachable |
| 22:25.34 | Tramp | Flotto: well. Then there is a dhcp problem. Without knowing what the gateway is, there is no way to fix this. - yes, because first the metric 0 route is needed. |
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| 22:26.19 | Flotto | Tramp, i know the ip of the gateway if this can help |
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| 22:26.43 | Tramp | Flotto: well, of course 8) |
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| 22:27.34 | Tramp | Flotto: in this case, do "route add <ip> dev eth0" followed by "route add default gw <ip>" |
| 22:27.48 | Tramp | Flotto: then ping the IP |
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| 22:28.42 | Flotto | Tramp, uh thx a lot |
| 22:28.58 | Flotto | i always tried only the second command |
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| 22:29.27 | Tramp | Flotto: but the fun stuff about dhcp is, that the gateway may change. So IMHO you should contact your provider concerning this routing issus |
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| 22:30.00 | Tramp | yeah. Your server is pingable now. |
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| 22:30.29 | Flotto | Tramp, if i restart the server the gw is still set? |
| 22:30.57 | Tramp | Flotto: no. This is not persistent. It should be sent over dhcp, as I mentioned before |
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| 22:33.01 | gonzaloaf | hi, how do I set up the password of the samba user to share directories? |
| 22:33.15 | amphi | !samba |
| 22:33.15 | dpkg | methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html), or #samba on irc.freenode.net, or <samba etch5> |
| 22:33.18 | peleg | sed question: I know how to insert a line above a line that matches a regexp; how can I insert a line in the head of the file, that is, above the first line, no matter what is there? |
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| 22:33.54 | peleg | (no need necessarily to use sed for that - if you know other solution, like >> but different, it's ok with me.. :-) ) |
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| 22:35.10 | Flotto | Tramp, ok so ill contact my provider tomorrow morning. thx a lot and wish you a good night or day or what you ever have now :) |
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| 22:35.34 | Tramp | Flotto: np, cu. |
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| 22:36.08 | abrotman | peleg: #sed would be better |
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| 22:37.46 | chaataka | hi there, how can i grep a cyrillic string from a file? and why is it not working after all? |
| 22:37.47 | Tramp | peleg: '1ifoo' should insert "foo" as line 1 |
| 22:38.06 | themill | peleg: lots of seddy goodies: http://sed.sourceforge.net/grabbag/scripts/ |
| 22:38.23 | abrotman | !sed tutorial |
| 22:38.26 | abrotman | what? |
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| 22:42.24 | babbage | What DVD image would make a good rescue disk? |
| 22:42.38 | babbage | (Obviously I am looking for a jigdo file) |
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| 22:50.27 | Ssam` | lol ummm.......well when i click on shell in debian nothing happend |
| 22:50.34 | Ssam` | infact when u click on anything nothing opens up |
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| 22:51.12 | abrotman | on shell ? |
| 22:51.16 | abrotman | what is supposed to happen? |
| 22:52.18 | Ssam` | well when i right click it lists options right...i have fluxbox |
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| 22:52.34 | Ssam` | when u click on bash or ssh or even reconfigure nothing happens |
| 22:52.39 | Ssam` | literally nothing |
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| 22:52.54 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense .. what are you expecting to happen? |
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| 22:53.45 | Ssam` | ummm...well to open the terminal? |
| 22:53.54 | Ssam` | no matter what u click nothing happens |
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| 22:54.08 | Ssam` | if u clicked the terminal bash it wouldent open |
| 22:54.09 | themill | Ssam`: what are you clicking on? Where? In what sort of window? |
| 22:54.15 | Ssam` | fluxbox |
| 22:54.23 | Ssam` | bash |
| 22:54.26 | Ssam` | or sh |
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| 22:54.38 | Ssam` | unless u click exit then the window shuts |
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| 22:55.39 | Ssam` | ill uninstall fluxbox |
| 22:55.56 | Ssam` | do u need xorg or anything for Xfce? |
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| 22:57.01 | Sam__ | hello |
| 22:57.17 | Ssam` | brazil? |
| 22:57.27 | Sam__ | Ssam`: yes |
| 22:57.32 | Ssam` | kewl |
| 22:58.03 | Sam__ | I have just updated my kernel, but now initrd can't seem to find the partition where the root fs lies... can anyone point me to the right direction? |
| 22:58.15 | Sam__ | (using debian 4.0, kernel 2.6.24.4) |
| 22:58.18 | babbage | "df -h /" |
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| 22:58.39 | WaffleMatt | Check the root= option you're passing on the kernel command line in your bootloader Sam__ |
| 22:58.45 | Sam__ | babbage: yes, problem is during boot the initrd cannot access /dev/sda5 |
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| 22:58.56 | Wyzard | Sam__: 2.6.24 isn't in etch... where did you install it from? |
| 22:59.14 | Sam__ | Wyzard: downloaded from kernel.org |
| 22:59.20 | Wyzard | Sam__: and custom-compiled? |
| 22:59.21 | babbage | Sam__: Can you access the filesystem from GRUB? |
| 22:59.29 | Wyzard | Sam__: And where did you get the initrd from? |
| 22:59.40 | Sam__ | yes, I did it the same way for my old kernel... 2.6.14 |
| 23:00.12 | Sam__ | Wyzard: initrd was called from dpkg after I did make-kpkg kernel-image |
| 23:00.15 | Baloo | tell ssam` about aolism |
| 23:00.15 | Wyzard | Sam__: 2.6.14 isn't in etch either (and it's older than the one in etch) |
| 23:00.26 | Wyzard | Sam__: OK, so you used make-kpkg |
| 23:00.33 | Wyzard | Sam__: Did you forget the "--initrd" option? |
| 23:00.36 | babbage | If GRUB can see the partition but the kernel cannot, it's likely that your kernel lacks support for something needed to see your disk, or the HBA detection order has changed, making some other disk /dev/sda |
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| 23:00.55 | Wyzard | Sam__: i.e. you might not actually have an initrd |
| 23:01.01 | Sam__ | Wyzard: don't think so... let me check bash history |
| 23:02.03 | Sam__ | Wyzard: here's the cmd - make-kpkg --initrd -rev amd64.printer kernel_image |
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| 23:02.41 | findme | is there flash development for linux |
| 23:02.52 | Sam__ | babbage: true, but the module for accessing the disk is in the initrd... I just don't know if it is being loaded |
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| 23:03.43 | abrotman | findme: there is gnash |
| 23:03.47 | Wyzard | Sam__: OK, that looks right (though the "-rev amd64" shouldn't be necessary) |
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| 23:03.51 | abrotman | findme: oh .. you want a flash development tool? |
| 23:04.11 | Sam__ | I guess it would be sr_mod? |
| 23:04.21 | findme | abrotman, yes please |
| 23:04.28 | abrotman | yes please which? |
| 23:04.33 | Sam__ | (the module for driving the disk) |
| 23:04.37 | Wyzard | Sam__: If you're coming from 2.6.14 then it could be as babbage suggested, that your IDE controller now uses a libata-based driver, so your disks are /dev/sd* instead of /dev/hd* |
| 23:04.45 | findme | a development tool to start generating content |
| 23:04.48 | Wyzard | Sam__: sr_mod is for SCSI CD-ROM drives |
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| 23:05.14 | findme | to generate eye candy |
| 23:05.18 | enouf | or usb connected ones |
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| 23:05.24 | Sam__ | Wyzard: ok, so if I tell GRUB to mount the root fs on /dev/sd*, it would work? |
| 23:05.37 | Wyzard | Sam__: If that's the reason, then yes, that'd be the fix |
| 23:05.38 | abrotman | findme: apt-cache search swf .. look at the results |
| 23:05.48 | Baloo | enouf: Actually, any not-PATA drive. |
| 23:06.03 | Baloo | enouf: Firewire drives use sd/sr names as well. |
| 23:06.17 | Ssam` | okay i got it....how do i make the window managers menu? |
| 23:06.29 | Wyzard | Baloo: and so do PATA drives connected to controllers that now have libata-based drivers |
| 23:06.35 | Sam__ | Wyzard: wait, the old kernel (2.6.14) already used /dev/sda5 as the root partition. |
| 23:06.49 | Wyzard | The SCSI subsystem is pretty much the generic storage subsystem now, and the only thing that doesn't use it is the legacy IDE subsystem |
| 23:06.50 | Baloo | Really? Wow. |
| 23:07.06 | enouf | drive name is not the issue, or shouldn't be |
| 23:07.12 | Wyzard | Baloo: libata is used mainly by drivers for SATA controllers, but there are some for PATA controllers too |
| 23:07.44 | findme | abrotman, thanks |
| 23:09.28 | Sam__ | ok, now I got really confused. It seems like the --initrd bit wouldn't be necessary at all, since the old kernel did not have a initrd line on Grub's menu.lst |
| 23:09.31 | peppe | findme: salasaga? |
| 23:09.51 | Sam__ | does this make sense to you? |
| 23:10.00 | Wyzard | Sam__: Maybe the old kernel had the drivers compiled in statically and didn't use an initrd |
| 23:10.17 | findme | peppe, thanks |
| 23:10.18 | Wyzard | Sam__: but if you don't have an initrd line in your grub configuration, maybe your new one isn't being loaded |
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| 23:10.33 | Sam__ | Wyzard: hmm... makes sense. But I imported the configuration from the old kernel into the new one. |
| 23:10.58 | Wyzard | Sam__: What driver does your disk controller use? |
| 23:11.19 | shri | i am facing a problem, when i reboot my system I get the message "Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format" |
| 23:12.11 | Sam__ | Wyzard: I don't know. Can you tell me how to find out? |
| 23:12.17 | enouf | wrong arch? |
| 23:12.19 | Sam__ | here's my menu.lst |
| 23:12.22 | Sam__ | http://pastebin.com/d6645ad74 |
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| 23:13.09 | Wyzard | Sam__: Did you compile that 2.6.14? |
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| 23:13.24 | Sam__ | yes |
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| 23:13.46 | Wyzard | Sam__: You would've had to select drivers for your disk controller, then |
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| 23:16.06 | Sam__ | Wyzard: I will double check, but I believe I did not change those settings. |
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| 23:21.20 | Wyzard | Sam__: You built a custom kernel but didn't configure what drivers to put in it? |
| 23:21.23 | Sam__ | Wyzard: you are right. There's this SCSI_SATA option that has been removed from kernel 2.6.24 |
| 23:21.26 | Wyzard | Sam__: It probably includes a lot more than you need |
| 23:21.45 | Wyzard | Sam__: I was about to say, it might be a case of a driver that was in 2.6.14 but removed in later kernels (superseded by something else) |
| 23:21.52 | Sam__ | Wyzard: that is also true... |
| 23:21.54 | Wyzard | but taking a step back, why are you building a custom kernel anyway? |
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| 23:22.07 | Wyzard | It's generally not necessary, especially if you're not actually customizing it |
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| 23:22.33 | Sam__ | Wyzard: that was the only way I could get my sound card to work under Linux |
| 23:22.43 | Sam__ | and now I am trying to install a USB printer |
| 23:23.14 | Sam__ | found out that I did not have the USB printer support compiled (neither in the kernel nor as a module) |
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| 23:24.20 | ice63 | Sam__: did you install printconf ? |
| 23:24.22 | Wyzard | Sam__: Debian's stock kernels include pretty much all the available drivers, as modules |
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| 23:25.06 | Wyzard | Sam__: Unless you know you need something specific that you know is not in Debian's kernel, custom-compiling one is likely to create more problems for you, not less |
| 23:25.14 | Sam__ | ice63: no, you're the first to tell me that exists... :) |
| 23:25.16 | vile_maxim | Anyone so happen to know how to get to the root of a Snap Server? Trying to get the passwd shadow and smb.conf |
| 23:25.38 | ice63 | :) |
| 23:26.08 | ice63 | thats i install my hp printer |
| 23:26.36 | ice63 | how |
| 23:26.40 | ice63 | lol |
| 23:26.45 | abrotman | vile_maxim: ask them .. |
| 23:26.45 | dondelelcaro | (and if you find a driver that should be built but isn't, please file a wishlist bug asking for it to be built) |
| 23:26.47 | PhrkOnLsh | vile_maxim: open up a shell on your computer |
| 23:27.37 | vile_maxim | abrotman: they don't seem to be that opened |
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| 23:27.54 | abrotman | vile_maxim: and we're supposed to know what the password is? |
| 23:27.55 | Sam__ | Wyzard: I believe you. It's just that my past experience showed that custom-compiled kernels do solve a couple of issues |
| 23:28.00 | vile_maxim | PhrkOnLsh: errr... I'm guessing you don't understand my question, but thanks for trying. |
| 23:28.28 | Sam__ | Wyzard: this time I got stuck and couldn't find guidance in any documentation or the web |
| 23:29.02 | vile_maxim | abrotman: no I'm trying to migrate a snapserver to a debian server... which is based on BSD I think. Anyway, no video or serial connection. Only a web interface. |
| 23:29.04 | Wyzard | Sam__: What type of sound card do you have that wasn't supported by Debian's kernel? |
| 23:29.37 | abrotman | vile_maxim: i'd ask google .. you're going to have to get a shell somehow |
| 23:29.45 | vile_maxim | abrotman: I was just hopping someone else had dealings with one of these thing before. |
| 23:30.06 | abrotman | vile_maxim: maybe ##linux ? no idea |
| 23:30.10 | Sam__ | Wyzard: ALi Corporation M5455 |
| 23:30.23 | Wyzard | Sam__: and was it maybe just that Debian had an older kernel (such as sarge's 2.6.8 or 2.4.x) that predated the driver? |
| 23:30.24 | vile_maxim | abrotman: trust me #debian was not my first try... just shooting in the dark I guess |
| 23:31.10 | Sam__ | Wyzard: that may very well be. This machine has been running Debian since 2003 I believe |
| 23:31.39 | Wyzard | Sam__: so that one's a non-issue now |
| 23:32.00 | Wyzard | Sam__: (looks like that card uses the snd-intel8x0 driver, which is definitely in Debian's current kernels) |
| 23:33.03 | Wyzard | Sam__: As for your USB printing issue now, building a custom kernel for a vague reason like "it can solve some problems" often leads to accidentally leaving out drivers that you didn't know you needed, creating problems |
| 23:33.12 | PhrkOnLsh | vile_maxim: see, shell :) |
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| 23:33.35 | LassieTheBrave | So I did a fresh lenny install today and I seem to be missing som of those nifty extra tab-completition features I've gotten used to (like tab completing commands arguments and apt-get packages...) anyone care to tell me what package they were in? |
| 23:33.57 | abrotman | is there a bash-completion package yet? |
| 23:34.03 | themill | there is |
| 23:34.11 | abrotman | guess that's his answer |
| 23:34.21 | themill | !info bash-completion lenny |
| 23:34.25 | dpkg | bash-completion: (programmable completion for the bash shell), section shells, is standard. Version: 20060301-4 (lenny), Packaged size: 120 kB, Installed size: 464 kB |
| 23:34.27 | Sam__ | Wyzard: like it just happened. would you suggest that I roll back to a Debian stock kernel, then? |
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| 23:34.29 | Wyzard | Sam__: and if you just build the default configuration without actually doing any customization, you're likely to get a kernel full of compiled-in drivers for hardware you don't have, which is a waste of RAM when loaded |
| 23:34.36 | Wyzard | Sam__: That'd probably be the best thing to do |
| 23:34.51 | themill | LassieTheBrave: ". /etc/bash_completion" (or uncomment that from your bash startup files) |
| 23:34.56 | LassieTheBrave | abrotman: awesome. Thank you... |
| 23:35.15 | LassieTheBrave | themill: thx |
| 23:35.16 | Wyzard | Sam__: Debian (and most other distributions) provide kernels with basically all the drivers built as modules, so everything is supported, but only the drivers your system actually needs get loaded into memory |
| 23:36.02 | Sam__ | Wyzard: I see your point. |
| 23:36.04 | Wyzard | Sam__: and if you really need a newer kernel (e.g. you have some hardware that's not supported by etch's 2.6.18), you can get backports of newer kernel packages (e.g. sid has 2.6.24 packaged right now) |
| 23:36.40 | Sam__ | Wyzard: are there any significant improvements that would justify upgrading to a newer kernel? |
| 23:36.55 | Sam__ | (other than trying to solve these hardware issues) |
| 23:37.05 | Wyzard | Sam__: Nothing compelling in general |
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| 23:37.53 | Wyzard | Sam__: There are incremental improvements and some new features, but not stuff you're likely to really need |
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| 23:38.14 | Sam__ | ok. let me go back to the drawing board for a while and try to fix these things. |
| 23:39.26 | devicenull_ | hey, does anyone use plesk with debian? If so, how well is it supported? |
| 23:39.54 | abrotman | devicenull_: it's not in debian |
| 23:40.00 | Sam__ | Wyzard: I am really not that enthusiastic on custom-compiling kernels for vague reasons... but I couldn't find a way to have the box recognize the printer |
| 23:40.05 | abrotman | ask #plesk |
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| 23:40.39 | Wyzard | Sam__: I have a USB printer (an HP LaserJet 1300) and it was recognized just by plugging it in |
| 23:41.04 | Wyzard | Sam__: To actually print with it, I had to set it up in CUPS, of course, but that's unrelated to the kernel |
| 23:41.40 | Sam__ | Wyzard: right! my printer was recognized by lsusb, but CUPS would not allow me to set it up in the usb port |
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| 23:42.13 | Sam__ | Wyzard: it did not give me any usb option when configuring the printer |
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| 23:47.32 | PMT | World, I recently tried to use libcwd-dev on my i386 sid machine, and found it unavailable. Looking at its page on packages.debian.org, I found that it is available, but for some reason, packages only exist for AMD64, despite the fact that every architecture is labeled as valid in the dsc. |
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| 23:48.20 | Cle0 | how can convert my stable version to u nstable |
| 23:48.25 | Cle0 | unstable |
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| 23:48.58 | PMT | Cle0 - do you want to switch your stable machine from using stable to unstable? |
| 23:49.12 | PMT | Or do you just want one or more packages from unstable and their dependencies? |
| 23:49.38 | Cle0 | so i want to convert all my stable machine to unstable |
| 23:49.40 | Cle0 | PMT |
| 23:49.48 | Cle0 | if it is possible |
| 23:50.31 | themill | Cle0: Our usual respose is this: if you have to ask how to do it, you shouldn't be running unstable. |
| 23:50.42 | Cle0 | that what i want |
| 23:51.16 | Cle0 | i have one old package and i want to update it |
| 23:52.18 | abrotman | good .. go learn how to do it |
| 23:52.39 | themill | Cle0: if you only want one package, then don't move your entire system to unstable. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 23:53.18 | Cle0 | aha |
| 23:53.20 | Cle0 | ok |
| 23:53.51 | Cle0 | themill how can i do it |
| 23:54.00 | Cle0 | themill |
| 23:54.20 | abrotman | !tell Cle0 about grounding |
| 23:54.34 | CalJohn | I'm trying to write a script to create a backup of my home directory. However, tar's --exclude doesn't seem to accept my regex, which is "*.mozilla*Cache*|*.comix*library*|*.comix*thumbnails*". I need this regex to prevent a bunch of caches from sending the size of the archive sky high. How should I do the regex instead? |
| 23:54.49 | Cle0 | themill i'm not a debian beginner |
| 23:54.57 | Cle0 | i worck with debian a long time |
| 23:55.57 | abrotman | apparently not |
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| 23:57.25 | Cle0 | abrotman yes i'm not |
| 23:57.41 | abrotman | Cle0: then you'd know how to use unstable .. you do not .. please don't do it |
| 23:57.45 | sdubois92 | I have been having loads of problems getting my Atheros wifi card to work with madwifi |
| 23:57.51 | sdubois92 | and i had it working before my reinstall |
| 23:58.08 | sdubois92 | I am following the directions on the Debian wiki for Macbook |
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| 23:58.14 | Cle0 | abrotman can u help me to update one package? |
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| 23:58.24 | abrotman | themill already told you what to do |
| 23:58.38 | abrotman | !tell sdubois92 about madwifi install |
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| 23:59.09 | andrboot | Hi; i seem to be having a problem with my intel 2100 wifi card...http://pb.udderweb.com/227 seems to be what i am getting on boot up |
| 23:59.11 | andrboot | any ideaS? |
| 23:59.39 | abrotman | andrboot: your firmware is missing |
| 23:59.54 | themill | Cle0: please don't msg me. Stay in the channel. |
