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00:00.17Cle0themill can u repeat what i should do?
00:00.19andrbootabrotman how do i gets it
00:00.19CalJohnsolved.
00:00.23Wyzardandrboot: http://ipw2100.sourceforge.net
00:00.57Wyzardandrboot: Download the firmware file and put it in /usr/local/lib/firmware
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00:01.23andrbootty :)
00:01.54andrbootand that should magically work or do i need to install wireless tools :p
00:02.10Wyzardandrboot: That'll work for being able to load the ipw2100 module
00:02.21Wyzardandrboot: You'll need wireless-tools to actually connect to networks
00:02.24andrbootheh
00:02.25andrbootcool
00:02.41Wyzardandrboot: If you're using GNOME or KDE, consider using NetworkManager, which is a great frontend for managing your network connections
00:02.53andrbootoaks
00:02.56andrbootya
00:03.02andrbooti have network-manager
00:03.17Wyzardandrboot: (Install network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde, and comment out the entry for your network card(s) in /etc/network/interfaces)
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00:03.32andrbootgoing to reboot
00:03.35andrbootand se what happens :)
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00:07.43andrbootokas.. so that failed..
00:07.45andrbootis this right
00:08.47andrboothttp://pb.udderweb.com/228
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00:09.13Wyzardandrboot: No, that looks like the source code for the ipw2100 driver, not the firmware
00:09.33andrbootfrack
00:09.42andrbootokas
00:09.54Wyzardandrboot: btw, this is unrelated, but you  misspelled "leviathan" in your hostname  :-)
00:10.10andrbootlol
00:10.13andrbootthanks
00:10.20amphiWyzard: ;)
00:10.25andrbootwait.
00:10.26Wyzardandrboot: The firmware shoudl be a single file, with a .fw extension IIRC
00:10.28andrboothmm
00:10.29andrbootokas
00:10.37andrbootquick quiestoin.. which firmware do i need
00:10.39andrboothttp://ipw2100.sourceforge.net/firmware.php
00:10.41Wyzard(though I could be wrong about that)
00:11.04amphiandrboot: check your module version; modinfo ipw2100
00:11.17amphiandrboot: the site should say which fw your version needs
00:11.42WyzardLook for the "version:" line in the output from "modinfo ipw2100"
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00:12.41andrbootsrcversion:     03B95985754093392258FC4
00:12.43Wyzardnotices that there's no ipw2100 in sid's 2.6.24 on amd64, though there is an ipw2200
00:12.48Wyzardandrboot: no, "version:"
00:13.24Wyzardandrboot: You may need to scroll up past all the "alias:" lines
00:13.27andrbootversion:        git-1.2.2
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00:13.57Wyzardandrboot: That's "at or after v0.55", so you want the 1.3 firmware
00:14.02andrbootawesome :)
00:14.48PMTWorld, any thoughts on my oddities with libcwd?
00:15.02andrbootokas going to reboot and see what happens :)
00:15.03Wyzardand apparently I was wrong about it being a single .fw file -- it's a .tgz containing three .fw files
00:15.06andrbootyea
00:15.16andrbootreboots
00:15.18WyzardPut all three in /usr/local/lib/firmware
00:15.52themillPMT: what you told us is the opposite of what is shown on packages.debian.org
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00:17.29PMTthemill - I'm sorry, it is?
00:18.28PMTI see libcwd for testing and unstable, both AMD64-only, and libcwd-dev and libcwd0 only in stable, for all architectures.
00:18.34PMTMy apologies for my mistake.
00:18.43PMTIt's still the case that I don't understand why the former is true.
00:18.47themillPMT: libcwd-dev is only available for i386 on p.d.o but you said it was only amd64.... /me confused.
00:18.48_vvdcan i have a pipe that checks for exit code of previous command?
00:19.24PMTthemill - I specified unstable. On stable, it is not available for AMD64 because 64-bit support was added later.
00:19.25themillPMT: it's failing to build from source on amd64 at present (see the bugs pages)
00:19.42PMTthemill - I knew that.
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00:19.52PMTBut that's entirely irrelevant to why it's unavailable for i386 on testing and unstable.
00:20.01_vvdcan i have a pipe that is executed only if the previous command (in the pipe) was successfull?
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00:20.29Wyzard_vvd: Commands in a pipeline run concurrently so you can't have one wait for the result of the other
00:20.32ng0nwill the latest ver. of debian run on OLD machines.
00:20.39ng0nor do i need to use an old version.
00:20.41PMTng0n - define OLD.
00:20.45Penix_vvd: write some sort of shell script
00:20.47Wyzard_vvd: but you can use "command1 && command2" to run command1 and then if it didn't fail, command2 afterward
00:20.50ng0n486, 32megs ram
00:20.57Wyzard_vvd: but there's no piping of input/output between them
00:21.03ng0ni'm running a ver 1 something.
00:21.09ng0nit runs FINE.
00:21.10_vvdWyzard: ok, thx
00:21.23ng0nBUT. it won't apt-update.  obsolete.
00:21.38themillPMT: It's in non-free -- aiui packages don't get autobuilt for non-free so it's only what the maintainer uploads that is in the repo.
00:21.40ng0nis there a TINY new ver. of Debian.
00:21.53Penixng0n: how much disk space do you have?
00:21.57PMTthemill - I see. I'll ask the maintainer.
00:22.12ng0no boy.  not much ... maybe a gig
00:22.25ng0ni forget how to check it.
00:22.31Penixno problem there then
00:22.32ng0ni found this laptop in my closet.
00:22.37PMTthemill - do you have any pages I can look at for information on this, or should I just email the maintainer and ask?
00:22.53ng0nand remembered it from maybe 1980
00:23.05ng0ni was doing some packet radio with it or something.
00:23.10themillPMT: /msg dpkg mg   <== might be useful...
00:23.21Penixif it's a 486 with the specs you claim, I highly doubt it's from 1980
00:23.22Cle0how can i know my internet ip from the shell
00:23.39PenixCle0: ifconfig <interface it's running on>
00:23.42ng0nPenix: i mean that's the last time i played with it.
00:23.51Penixng0n: again, that doesn't make sense
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00:23.58ng0nit's probably circa 1996
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00:24.08Penixah, time travel. now I understand
00:24.24ng0nya ya.  crazy.  it's like finding your first motorcycle.
00:24.34ng0nyou want to ride it.  even though it's well.. junk.
00:25.00ng0nactually.. it's fun.  good keyboard on this old Toshiba T2130CT
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00:25.09PMTthemill, I don't see any notes on non-free building in there, but thanks. :)
00:25.20Zeltaso when will debian 1.0 come out
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00:25.23themillPMT: ahh... :(
00:25.26PenixZelta: go away
00:25.32Zeltalul
00:25.33ng0ni got 3 servers up, hah.
00:25.44PMTthemill - it's fine, I'll "just" bother the maintainer again. :)
00:26.26ng0nhey, tnx Penix, carry on.
00:26.42ng0n73 de ng0n
00:26.43ng0nsk
00:27.24DirkGentlywonders what Ubuntu will do after the year 3000
00:27.35ng0nhahah
00:27.45ng0ni just listened to that book.
00:27.48ng0ni love it.
00:27.55ng0ntoo bad the author checked out.
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00:28.12ng0nproves that exercise is over-rated.
00:28.27ng0nola xtr
00:29.18xtrNo habla.
00:29.22DirkGentlythe radio plays were good too
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00:39.59Zeltaso when is debian hurd coming about
00:40.05PenixZelta: please, go away
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00:40.18ZeltaI just want to know
00:40.27beardyIt's there.
00:40.28PenixZelta: google knows
00:40.41Penixand, yes, it already exists
00:40.44Zelta????
00:40.46abrotman!hurd
00:40.46dpkgfrom memory, hurd is a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net
00:41.34Wyzardwonders whether Hurd still has the 4GB limit on disk size on 32-bit processors
00:41.52PenixIIRC, no. could be horribly wrong though
00:42.22beardyCheck its install guide.
00:42.42Penixhmm. seems there are still bug reports floating around about it
00:43.03PenixL4 'ftw' anyway
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00:47.34akiohello
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00:47.52akioi have a question for lenny nvidia driver users
00:48.10Penixwell?
00:48.22akiowhen i looked for the debian way of installing it, it did not mention lenny.
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00:48.36akioinstead it was typed up for sarge or etch
00:48.49akioenvy doesnt work
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00:49.05Penix!nvidia_post_etch
00:49.06dpkghmm... nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
00:49.10akioand i don't know how to do this cleanly
00:49.20hsuhhow do i install a package from sid without moving my sources to unstable?
00:49.27Penixhsuh: you don't
00:49.35Penixhsuh: you install a backport or /msg dpkg simple sid backport
00:49.46Penix!tell hsuh about backports
00:49.53akioPenix, that will work? those commands?
00:49.55hsuhok, but.. what is there is no backport
00:49.59Penixakio: yes
00:50.10Penixhsuh: then, use the instructions in 'simple sid backport'
00:50.29hsuhah. ok. and thats because.. sid is for developers/
00:50.33hsuhtesters?
00:50.36akioPenix, thanks, that was amazingly simple
00:50.54Penixhsuh: not for production use, basically. also, not supported here
00:51.22hsuhPenix: ok, tks
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00:51.44akioPenix, what repos should i have for nvidia-kernel-source?
00:51.56akioits not in my cache
00:51.56Penix!info nvidia-kernel-source testing
00:52.14Penix...
00:52.18hsuhhow do i search the backport for pkgs?
00:52.32akioi just learned about those bots today
00:52.34amphiI thought nvidia was broken on testing
00:52.40akioit might be
00:52.42Penixhsuh: how do you search the available backports? packages.debian.org lists them
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00:52.46akioim figuring that out now
00:53.03hsuhPenix: i mean with apt-cache search or something
00:53.07amphiakio: some people have got the nvidia installer to work, I think
00:53.08hsuhbut will try
00:53.36Penixhsuh: add the repo to your sources.list and apt-get update like the instructions say, and apt-cache search like you always would
00:53.50Penixhsuh: it's just providing newer versions of the same packages
00:54.12akioPenix, you mean the one from nvidias website?
00:54.19Penixakio: what?
00:54.41akioyou said some people had the nvidia installer working
00:54.46Penixno I didn't
00:54.53Penixalthough, I use it
00:54.55akioamphi then
00:54.58akiosorry
00:55.04amphiakio: yes - I've never had an nvidia card, praise be, so YYMV
00:55.15amphiakio: what do you mean, 'then'? ;)
00:55.20akiolol
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00:55.34akioso what cards do you guys use?
00:55.37akioonboard?
00:55.38Penix!poll
00:55.38dpkg"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
00:55.42akiosorry
00:55.49Penixakio: there are others graphics chips besides nvidia's
00:55.52amphiakio: an old radeon and intel
00:55.54akiotrue
00:55.54Penixs/others/other/
00:56.06akio?
00:57.05phorce1but nvidia chipsets seem to have the best (although non-free) eature support
00:57.16phorce1s/eature/feature/
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00:57.45amphi'eature' is the right word, if what I here about mem leaks in recent drivers is true
00:57.56amphi*hear
00:59.21phorce1amphi: Whem mem leaks appear in a new release just back down to the last one without them. Still better than fighting with fglrx and finding that only about half of the listed features of the latest wiz-bang ATI card only work in Windows.
01:00.11phorce1hates the nvidia "make it work" pain in the rear process. But once it's done ...
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01:00.13amphifglrx is horrible, from what I hear
01:00.38amphimy radeon is supported by the xorg driver, luckily
01:01.03phorce1I traded a decent all-in-wonder for an nVidia 5200
01:01.04dclarkehello, my machine does not have yacc installed and it seems to be not in the build-essentials. apt-cahce search yacc reveals no yacc package.  what packages do I need to install ?
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01:01.50ChadStatHi, I'm using samba + ldap and when my instalation writes files to the disk, Its writing them as root and not the authenticated user. I look in the logs and I'm showing that samba is resolving the authenticated user to a uid = 0. When I use getent passwd the uid is the proper uid. Any idea what is going on?
01:02.35dclarkeChadStat : what modules are built into your samba ? check with smbd -b
01:02.49abrotmandclarke: bison
01:02.56dclarkeChadStat: perhaps you do not have id mapping with an rid module .. or something like that
01:03.08ChadStatpdb_ldap pdb_smbpasswd pdb_tdbsam rpc_lsa rpc_reg rpc_lsa_ds rpc_wkssvc rpc_svcctl rpc_ntsvcs rpc_net rpc_netdfs rpc_srv rpc_spoolss rpc_eventlog rpc_samr rpc_echo idmap_ldap idmap_tdb idmap_passdb idmap_nss nss_info_template auth_sam auth_unix auth_winbind auth_server auth_domain auth_builtin vfs_default vfs_posixacl
01:03.09dclarkeabrotman: very odd that I don't have that
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01:03.13phorce1What's more anoying at the moment s the fact that new(er) motherboards with SATA seem to have some problems with IDE DVD writers. I'm making about 3 coasters out of every 5 attempted burns. Write errors.
01:03.19ChadStatI'm using ldap
01:03.33abrotmandclarke: get it .. yacc .. yak .. bison ?
01:03.34dclarkeabrotman: I have my own builds of that .. but it isn't in there in /usr or /usr/bin etc
01:03.40ChadStatBut it was doing the same thing with smbpasswd and tdb..
01:04.04dclarkevesta:~# bison --version
01:04.05ChadStatThe issue is that when it interprets a users id from its getting it as uid=0, Not user = what it should be.
01:04.06dclarkebison (GNU Bison) 2.3
01:04.08dclarkeyes .. I have that
01:04.12dclarkebut no yacc
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01:05.13dclarkenever mind .. perhaps bad stuff done on my end
01:05.23abrotman$ ls -l `which yacc`
01:05.23abrotmanlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2006-09-13 19:16 /usr/bin/yacc -> /etc/alternatives/yacc
01:05.57dclarkegoes to look at wtf is going on
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01:06.34dclarkels -lapin /etc/alternatives/yacc
01:06.41dclarke439781 lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 19 2008-04-06 21:05 /etc/alternatives/yacc -> /usr/bin/bison.yacc
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01:06.46ChadStatcries
01:06.50andrbootwell.. im back :P this time for some more fun
01:06.57ricosecadaWhat is this really cool icon-bar at the buttom? http://www.ngsys.eti.br/screenshots/dl30screens/default-desktop.jpg when you move the mouse above they increase in size.
01:07.31ricosecadaI have seen shots from xfce4 and gnome, is it possible to get it for kde too?
01:07.31Penixricosecada: probably avant-window-navigator
01:07.34ChadStatThat looks like a dock, Try OSX.
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01:07.46ZeltaYeah I think it is AWN
01:07.56Zeltasudo apt-get install avant-window-navigator
01:07.59Zeltait's quite buggy though
01:08.03dclarkelooks like GNOME and nothing new
01:08.04ricosecadathanks!
01:09.46ChadStatSo uh, Any ideas with the samba thing?
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01:10.22andrbooti have a ncie shiney realtek wifi card.. (server is stlll booting..lol) umm i followed a shiney realtek/debian guide but it didn't work.. was wondering if anyone could hel;p me out again :p my card and the site link  pb.udderweb.com/229
01:10.24dclarkeChadStat: no clue .. sorry
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01:15.25andrbootany ideas?
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01:16.48tetedupethow do i find my current python directory?  I removed 2.4 before installing 2.5 and it couldn't find it in the normal /usr/bin/env location and even when I reinstalled 2.4 it couldn't find it
01:17.34jimdpkg --help could.
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01:18.22tetedupetuh, how?
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01:19.02jimby showing you what it can do with packages
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01:20.15iceswordjim, you are right
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01:20.57jimabout what? :)
01:21.27tetedupetthat doesn't help me in my problem of getting debian to see where it's installed
01:21.27stewtetedupet: /usr/lib/python2.4 or /usr/lib/python2.5 would be the directories.  /usr/bin/python2.4 or /usr/bin/python2.5 would be the binaries
01:21.37jimno?
01:21.49tetedupetor the fact that after reinstalling running the "python" command still doesn't work like it did before
01:21.56clone_locate
01:21.59iceswordhehe,i did nothing with gnu/linux unix ,debian,my major is not computer etc.........
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01:22.18stewtetedupet: what does "readlink -f $(which python)" return?
01:22.23clone_icesword, what about you minor?
01:22.23UrfinI see a connection in netstat, how can I find to which process it belongs?
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01:22.34iceswordpsychology
01:22.36abrotmanUrfin: lsof or fuser
01:22.38stewUrfin: with -p
01:22.51tetedupetreadlink: missing operand
01:22.55clone_icesword, ewww, phsychology is for wierdos with hot moms
01:23.06stewtetedupet: does /usr/bin/python exist?
01:23.09iceswordi don't understand
01:23.18tetedupetnope
01:23.34stewtetedupet: is the python package installed?
01:23.35tetedupetthere's a python2.4 ad python2.5 though
01:23.50tetedupetand*
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01:23.53clone_I heard psychology people like sex with mom
01:23.59andrboothmm
01:24.05stewclone_: please keep it on-topic
01:24.07iceswordclone_, what you mean,you insulting me
01:24.18amphiclone_: what eccentric notions you espouse
01:24.24rootlinuxusrwhat other mount file systems besides vfat and ntfs-3g are there?
01:24.25Wyzardtetedupet: /usr/bin/python is part of the python-minimal package
01:24.36rootlinuxusrtrying to rescue a 500gb drive =/
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01:24.56jimtetedupet: could you describe in what way python acts different?
01:25.00iceswordsigmond freuuud said that
01:25.13TbbWanyone know a tutorial in how to set exim4 up so i can use my own linux server to send mails with thunderbird ?
01:25.24TbbWi get errors like "relaying not permitted" and stuff
01:25.24tetedupetwhat's the command to list installed packages?
01:25.35stewtetedupet: aptitude search '~i'.
01:25.40tetedupetcant remember if i did 2.4 or 2.4-minimal
01:25.47abrotmanTbbW: use a smarthost unless you want incoming mail also
01:25.49stewtetedupet: is the 'python' package installed?
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01:26.20clone_TbbW, what do you use for mail?
01:26.32tetedupet2.4,2.4-minimal,2.5,2.5-minimal are installed
01:26.41TbbWabrotman: well i want both out and in ( and yes i suld use smarthost for outgoing )
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01:26.57TbbWclone_: at the moment dovecot for imap and exim4 for smtp
01:27.05rgrI was told earlier alsa shoudl support multiple sound sources. so I dumped pulse audio. Multiple sources do not work. If I run mplayer for example the test in gstream-properties fails. Can anyone suggest what needs tweaking to get this working?
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01:27.39Wyzardrgr: Make sure mplayer and gstreamer are both configured to use alsa
01:27.47clone_TbbW, oh you running mail server eh, I use gmail, it was easy to configure Thunderbird
01:27.49rgrWyzard: they are ..
01:27.58rgrboth work if the other is not running.
01:28.01Urfinouch, there's a connection to IRC, belonging to crond
01:28.03tetedupetshould i remove 2.4 and 2.5, keep the minimals and install python?
01:28.32Wyzardrgr: That doesn't mean they're using ALSA directly -- they could be using ALSA's OSS emulation (which has the same one-thing-at-a-time limitation as OSS)
01:28.34TbbWclone_: well i use gmail too but i got a domain i want to set up mail with
01:28.38Wyzardrgr: Run gstreamer-properties
01:28.42stewtetedupet: what are you actually trying to do?
01:28.55rgrso if it say "Alsa" then how do I know if its using "alsa" or "alsa-oss"?
01:28.57Wyzardrgr: and make sure /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf has "ao=alsa"
01:29.04rgrWyzard: it does.
01:29.06tetedupetstew: make python scripts work
01:29.09TbbWclone_: since my server been so stable the last year i'm confidente to trust it with my emails :)
01:29.21stewtetedupet: install the python package
01:29.23tetedupeti wanted to upgrade from 2.4 to 2.5.2
01:29.37clone_TbbW, do you have business, I would rather run my own email server too, but then I need to buy business internet, how much did it cost?
01:29.44tetedupetbut according to some people in the chan earlier i had to keep 2.4, so i reinstalled 2.4
01:30.00stewtetedupet: if you want your scripts to run with python2.5, install the python2.5 package and change the shebangs to #!/usr/bin/python2.5
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01:30.05Wyzardtetedupet: You can have both 2.4 and 2.5 installed at the same time
01:30.11clone_TbbW, I can't imagine stability is a problem with debian, Spam I am sure will be a pain
01:30.14Wyzardtetedupet: You're not replacing one with the other
01:30.33TbbWclone_: my isp does not block port 25 for incomming traffic, only for outgoing but they have a smtp relay that i can use to get around the port 25 block for outgoing traffic
01:30.49clone_tetedupet, thats wierd, I usually here people telling me to upgrade to 2.6 when I had 2.4, so much insistance
01:30.59tetedupetWyzard: shouldn't 2.5 be able to replace and supercede 2.4 without any problems?
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01:31.22TbbWi got sending mail from my debian server to work... and imap to work to get local mail
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01:31.25Wyzardtetedupet: I don't know whether it's fully backward-compatible or not
01:31.42Wyzardclone_: There is no Python 2.6
01:31.43clone_TbbW, hmmm, yeah, mine too, we have dynamic ip address system, but it is pretty much static, so I could set up server too, but then, if I went and bought dns, they would probably change the ip on me
01:31.45rgrWyzard: in fact I get "plugin not available" errors from gstream-properties as listed here : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-media/+bug/199577
01:32.01TbbWthe issue is for the server to accept emails from other sources then local delivery or to allow thunderbird to connect to it and send mail thru my server
01:32.09stewtetedupet: debian will be switching the default python to 2.5 in unstable sometime very soon.  it will switch in testing probably a few weeks after that.  python2.5 being the default python is a relase goal for lenny
01:32.19Wyzardrgr: Are you running Ubuntu?
01:32.27rgrno. debian lenny.
01:32.32Wyzardok
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01:33.06rgr(I dont get the crash though). I am a little confused about the sound setup now. It seems so convoluted and complex.
01:33.16Wyzardrgr: Well, I've never seen that error before, but the ALSA plugin for GStreamer is in the "gstreamer0.10-alsa" package
01:33.23clone_Wyzard, hmmm, I they said go to 2.4 for version 6, 2.4 is a decade old, they probably using python version 0.6 back then
01:33.51Wyzardclone_: Version 6 of what?
01:34.00clone_Wyzard, python of course
01:34.11clone_Wyzard, python 2.6
01:34.17Wyzardclone_: You're not making any sense...  2.4 is a version of Python; 2.6 and 6 are not
01:34.30stew2.6 is
01:34.40tetedupet2.5.2 is the latest stable
01:34.48tetedupetthey jumped to 3.0 for unstable
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01:35.06Wyzardoh, I see, there's a 2.6 in alpha
01:35.08akio_umm
01:35.10akio_wow
01:35.12clone_Wyzard, you said you want Python version 2.6 or 6 which I said accidentally, and you are punishing me for, if you go back from kernel 2.6 to kernel 2.4 you are gonna get an even older version of python, like 0.6
01:35.12TbbWso much junk to work myself thru on google lol
01:35.14Wyzardthat's not something you'd want to use though
01:35.18tetedupetoh, two alphas?
01:35.22TbbWget's another cup of coffee
01:35.25akio_i just tried to use irssi without x for the first time
01:35.32Wyzardclone_: I'm just trying to understand what you're talking about
01:35.40Wyzardclone_: Python versions have nothing to do with kernel versions either
01:35.53clone_Wyzard, getting the newer version in the newer Linux
01:35.58tetedupetwhat actually runs on python?  Ifigured everything was shell scripts
01:36.03akio_how do i set the environment variable for the GCC compiler?
01:36.05tetedupetand binaries, of course
01:36.13clone_Wyzard, newer versions of linux have newer version of all software
01:36.17Wyzardtetedupet: Well, I'm using a music player called quodlibet which is written in Python
01:36.33Wyzardclone_: The kernel is just a kernel, and doesn't "include" other software
01:36.38akio_im trying to build a kernel module but the script is too dumb to use the correct version of gcc
01:36.47Wyzardclone_: It's true that newer releases of Debian contain both newer kernels and newer versions of Python
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01:36.56akio_and i cant run the script with x running
01:36.59clone_Wyzard, forget I said anything
01:37.04Wyzardclone_: but "Linux 2.4" and "Linux 2.6" are versions of the kernel itself, which has nothing to do with Python
01:37.05real0nei want to play some rm media
01:37.20clone_realOne, ah yeah, play them baby
01:37.29real0nehow can i play it
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01:37.40real0nei have install win32codecs
01:37.40tetedupetWyzard: I meant systemwise, not third party stuff.
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01:37.51real0nebut still can't read rm media
01:38.03Wyzardtetedupet: There might be some system scripts written in Python, though I'm not sure
01:38.20Wyzardtetedupet: The Gentoo distribution's entire package manager is written in Python, I believe
01:38.30rgrWyzard: but its clearly a sharing thing since gstreamer-properties works if I dont run mplayer at the same time.
01:38.33real0nei want help to read rm media
01:38.51clone_what the command to configure exim4,
01:39.00Wyzardrgr: Does gstreamer-properties say "Plugin: ALSA - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture" for the default output?
01:39.09stewclone_: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
01:39.29clone_stew, thanks
01:39.36UrfinIs it normal to have lines "pro su[23836]: Successful su for nobody by root" in auth.log?
01:39.36rgrWyzard: stop press. I just purged and reinstalled the plugin and now it works if I start gstreamer-properties test before mplayer. Will report back after more tests.
01:39.46stewUrfin: yes
01:39.52Wyzardrgr: cool
01:39.57real0nei want help to read rm media
01:40.07rgr(but still all a bit mess :-;)
01:40.21clone_real0ne install real player
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01:40.26abrotmanwhy?
01:40.39real0nei have install win32codes
01:40.39Urfinstew: ah, ok. My box has been rooted :( and I'm curious as to how it was done.
01:40.41clone_abrotman, me?
01:40.46abrotmanreal0ne: that should be enough
01:40.51clone_my bad
01:40.52real0neyes
01:41.00rgrWyzard: sound prefs work too. What doesnt work now are my system sounds for error dialogs etc.
01:41.00real0nebut why can start rm file
01:41.04real0neabrotman
01:41.17clone_real0ne, can you play wmv files?
01:41.18real0nedebian:/home/real0ne/Desktop# ./500_01.rm
01:41.18real0nebash: ./500_01.rm: cannot execute binary file
01:41.24real0neyes
01:41.32Wyzardrgr: That's because GNOME does those through ESD, so they only work if ESD is running (stupid limitation IMO)
01:41.37abrotmanreal0ne: you have to use a player
01:41.40iceswordhehehe
01:41.41clone_real0ne, thats now how you play it, you play with media player
01:41.48rgrWyzard: so, I must install / configure what?
01:41.53icesworddrag it in a player
01:42.00Wyzardrgr: ESD itself only supports OSS output (so you'd have the problem again), but Pulse is drop-in compatible with ESD and supports ALSA output
01:42.06rgrcool. aplay now works too.
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01:42.12real0neabrotman d u mean mpalyer?
01:42.18abrotmanwhichever you want
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01:42.24clone_real0ne, do it man...play it
01:42.25rgrWyzard: oh no. I just dumped pulse becuase it stopped audio in flash working :-((((((((((((((
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01:42.35Wyzardrgr: You probably had it using OSS
01:42.42rgrWyzard: no. I didnt.
01:42.57Wyzardrgr: If you can use the gstreamer-properties test and mplayer sound at the same time, ALSA mixing is working correctly
01:43.03Wyzardrgr: so anything else that uses ALSA ought to mix too
01:43.08rgrWyzard: yes. But system sounds are not-
01:43.10clone_I have similar problem, flash have no sound, then I copy some script that allows audio to be shared, and it worked, and then I rebooted and again it doesn't work
01:43.14rgrso know I need pulse right?
01:43.22real0neabrotman don't want to help me?
01:43.25rgrs/know/now
01:43.28Wyzardrgr: so pulse, using ALSA, ought to mix with other things just fine
01:43.31abrotmanreal0ne: you're not asking questions
01:43.37rgrWyzard: it did. All except flash....
01:43.45rgr(and vlc)
01:43.50real0neok no problem
01:43.52clone_real0ne, do yo have mplayer, run it or any media player, and then open the file
01:43.56Wyzardrgr: Someone here mentioned earlier that Flash 9 uses ALSA but older versions used OSS
01:44.03rgrI have latest.
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01:44.13real0neclone_u don't understand what i need
01:44.23Wyzardrgr: Basically, as long as you stick to only things that use ALSA, you're fine
01:44.29clone_real0ne, hmmm
01:44.35abrotmanreal0ne: use a player .. open the media file from the player
01:44.35Wyzardrgr: If you run *anything* that uses the older OSS interface, it's mutually-exclusive with everything else that plays sound
01:44.49rgrWyzard: I know. I do not run any OSS.
01:44.57real0neabrotman dob't worck
01:45.03real0neabrotman don't worck
01:45.05abrotmandoes it give an error?
01:45.11Wyzardrgr: As a guess, maybe Flash 9 is still able to use OSS and it's a configuration setting or something
01:45.15rgrbrb
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01:45.40real0neabrotmanno problem
01:45.45real0nei will repare it
01:45.51real0nenow i want to sleep
01:45.53real0nethanks
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01:48.07rgrWyzard: now pulse is reinstalled should things still share if they are set to alsa or must they be set to pulse? Suddenly sharing between sounds stopped when one source was alsa server and other was "esd".
01:48.42WyzardThings using ALSA directly should share with pulse using ALSA
01:49.05rgrwell preferences/sounds dont if you set them to alsa. you have to set them to pulse.
01:49.11Wyzardunless pulse does something weird to prevent it, which I doubt
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01:51.25WyzardOne possibility that comes to mind is that pulse might be using the actual hardware sound device as its output, rather than the dmix device
01:51.59WyzardThat'd prevent mixing, since only one thing can use the actual hardware sound device (and generally it's dmix, which everything else uses)
01:52.12WyzardI don't see why that would happen, though, since dmix should be the default sound device
01:52.18Wyzardand I don't know details of configuring pulse
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02:02.40vorianhow do you change the bug title in a bug report?
02:02.48vorian(and hello)
02:02.56Nyleyou are using reportbug?
02:03.06vorianno
02:03.08Nyleuse that
02:03.10Nyle!reportbug
02:03.11dpkgmethinks reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>.  Install reportbug, then run reportbug.  Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for debian-installater bug reporting
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02:03.41Nyleand hello too
02:03.45abrotmanvorian: bugs.debian.org has the instructions to manipulate bugs
02:03.48rgrIf anyone there is using alsa in conjunction with esd or pulse, what do you have in your iceweaselrc to get sound working?
02:04.01jimthere's a mail server that responds to commands, one of which is to change the title and another of which is to send you a list of commands
02:04.24rgrcan anyone here play mplyer, system sounds and video in iceweasel at the same time?
02:04.53vorianthanks folks
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02:05.03Nyledo not use esd or pulse or arts or whatever the heck
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02:05.13Nylergr, alsa does software mixing
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02:05.14Nyle!dmix
02:05.15dpkghmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc
02:05.18rgrNyle: where did that advice come from?
02:05.33rgrwhat about esd for system sounds?
02:05.42Nyleno need for sound servers, plus esd is a pos
02:05.46Nyleits a fairly known fact
02:05.53Nylepulse is pretty good though
02:05.55Nyleime
02:05.59rgrNyle: so how do system sounds which need esd work then
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02:06.15Nylewell then they won't probably, and you're sol
02:06.26rgrNyle: so you're talking rot. Sorry and all.
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02:07.03_vvdrgr: pulseaudio-esound-compat
02:07.15akio_test
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02:07.40rgr_vvd: what about it? I have it installed.
02:07.57akio_Wyzard, do you know how to change GCC version in use?
02:08.01Nyle(I've got system sounds in kde without arts, maybe gnome/esd has something like that)
02:08.19rgrakio_: in command line, "export CC=gcc-4.1" for exampel
02:08.22_vvdrgr: for esd stuff in pulseaudio ^^)
02:09.05akio_right
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02:09.15Nylergr, only if gcc-4.1 resides in one's path, otherwise specify the /full/path.to/gcc-4.1
02:09.53akiorgr, is that how?
02:10.24akiohow can i check to see if it worked?
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02:11.02akioummmm
02:11.07akiois this live?
02:11.11Nyleddd?
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02:11.13akiook
02:11.16Nyleer.. no d
02:11.16akiocool
02:11.32Nyleakio, you want to use gcc 4.1 to compile stuff?
02:11.36rgrNyle: using debian I mever had to specify the path.
02:11.38akioyep
02:11.57akiospecifically 4.1.3
02:11.57Nylergr, clearly you've never used a system owned by someone else
02:12.00rgrcompile stuff? Wow :-; Who'd have guessed that.
02:12.16Nyleemphasis is on gcc *4.1*
02:12.20Nylenot compile.
02:12.23akiowell actually im not compiling anything
02:12.35Nyleakio, install the package, and export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1
02:12.36rgrNyle: yes. Which is required for nvidia drivers etc at the moment. It was an example.
02:12.37akioa script is
02:12.43Nyleor wherever the binary is in the package
02:12.50akioright
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02:12.59Wyzardakio: Don't use nvidia's script installer, use the packages
02:13.01akiothats exactly what im trying to accomplish
02:13.08Nyleahh nvidia
02:13.16rgrNyle: with all due respect if we had to consider that a binary was not on the path then all advice here would be a lot more convoluted.
02:13.27akiothe packages complain of nvidia-kernel something or other
02:13.32extorDoes anyone here have a linksys WRTG4GL router and compiled their own linksys kernel from the sources that linksys hands out in that 200MB download?
02:13.33akioim using lenny
02:13.42Nylergr, /ignore Nyle
02:13.43akioand i think nvidia is broken currently
02:13.54Wyzardakio: lenny currently doesn't have working nvidia packages afaik
02:14.07Wyzardakio: so you're stuck, I guess, but still, I'd avoid using nvidia's installer
02:14.15rgrakio: its easy. do ctl-alt-f1. log in as root. /etc/init-d/gdm stop. export CC=gcc-4.1 . ./NVidiainstall (or whatever it is)
02:14.35rgrWyzard: the nvidia drivers and install work well.
02:14.42rgr(well for me)
02:14.49akioso Wyzard, couldn't i just put a hold on the kernel version and everything be peachy keen?
02:15.08Wyzardakio: The lack of nvidia packages in lenny isn't because of the kernel
02:15.13akiowhen the next kernel arrives ill just redo the thing?
02:15.20Nyle!works for me
02:15.24Nyleno?
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02:15.56Wyzardakio: It's because the version in sid is built for a newer xorg and won't work with lenny's xorg, and the version in etch uses an older binary format that isn't supported by the xorg in lenny
02:16.12akiowell what i meant was i could install the nvidia driver, and not upgrade the kernel because it would break my x-server
02:16.42akioso i should either upgrade to sid, or x-server
02:16.50Nyle!dnuts
02:16.51dpkgit has been said that dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq>
02:16.55rgrakio: compiling is easy enough.
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02:17.13Wyzardrgr: What does it do with your /usr/lib/libGL.so.1?
02:17.34Wyzardrgr: the nVidia installer, that is
02:17.54akioWyzard, didn't you say earlier today that you use sid without many hiccups?
02:17.55rgrWyzard: no idea. Much as I despise people who say "works for me", it works for me ..... log in full screen. kill gnone. set CC. run installer. restart gnome.
02:18.10Wyzardrgr: Your system probably has that file already (Mesa's implementation), but nVidia provide their own implementation
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02:18.42Wyzardrgr: so they're replacing a file that belongs to a different package, and that'll cause breakage if mesa gets updated
02:18.54andrew[andrboot]Hi all.. back again :) i have managed to get my wifi card installed and debian "seeing" it.. via ndiswrapper but... it cannot scan to see anynetworks neither when i set it up in ad-hoc mode can my laptop see it.. any ideas?
02:19.13Wyzardrgr: The packaged version installs a diversion so that the replacement gets handled correctly, even in the face of mesa upgrades
02:19.29akiolike a slot
02:19.30rgrWyzard: what file? The nvidia drivers get what they needs. Just ensure you have installed the sources and set /etc/src/linux accordingly e.g  linux -> linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686. All my stuff works. opengl generally.
02:19.35akioor dummy package?
02:19.56Wyzardrgr: I know that it "works"; I'm not saying it fails to provide a working video driver
02:20.07NyleWyzard, you peddlin sid mate? ;)
02:20.15abrotmanrgr: the next time you upgrade your kernel/mesa/xorg .. your X will break
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02:20.20Nylenaughty naughty
02:20.34Wyzardrgr: but in the process it puts non-packaged stuff on your system that can cause problems later as things get upgraded (and upgrades do happen in testing)
02:20.44Wyzardoh, he left
02:20.50WyzardNyle: nah, I haven't said anything about sid
02:20.57Nyle:)
02:21.09akioWyzard, yes you did
02:21.11WyzardNyle: I'd probably recommend Ubuntu to someone who wants a reasonably-stable-but-not-Debian stable system with working 3D
02:21.17akioWyzard, earlier today
02:21.21Nylereally
02:21.40Wyzardakio: I mentioned that I run sid, and that it can be usable if you know what you're doing
02:21.46WyzardI'm not actively recommending it to people
02:21.51akiook
02:22.02NyleWyzard, that is ... there is ... 'reasonably stable' imo is unstable
02:22.20akioabout how many times a week am i going to run into an irrational problem with relatively normal use?
02:22.27Wyzardsid is "reasonably stable" to a Debian expert
02:22.35abrotmanakio: define irrational problem
02:22.38Wyzardnot to an average user
02:22.54netdaemonWyzard, i'm no expert and sid runs fine for me
02:23.15netdaemoni do know how to check debian bug reports and do work arounds
02:23.34Wyzardnetdaemon: Most of the time it does, but problems crop up from time to time that a typical "user" wouldn't be able to solve
02:23.34whoamiyaaa,for me too,my platform is x86,this machine brought in 2005
02:23.37akioirrational problem means when i check the log, doing the correct thing to remedy doesn't work
02:23.41NyleI mean that if you don't fit the 'stable' criteria, relatively stable doesn't really matter, if what matters to you is 'stability'
02:23.49Nylebut that is neither here nor there...
02:24.00Wyzardnetdaemon: I don't mean uber-l33t expert, I just mean knowing your way around the system and having some troubleshooting skills
02:24.08akiois upgrading from lenny to sid a big issue?
02:24.28abrotmanit can be
02:24.31akioi just installed lenny not too long ago, don't feel like doing another
02:24.36Wyzardakio: Generally no, though sid and lenny both change continuously so it depends
02:24.47akioright
02:25.00akioi don't have anything to lose if its a chance thing
02:25.09akiobut i would like to avoid problems if i can
02:25.15Nyleakio, you want nvidia to work right?
02:25.20Nylegot nothing to lose right?
02:25.23hermes`Hello
02:25.23akiothats why i am not installing the nvidia script
02:25.29Nyletry nvidia installers
02:25.31hermes`no
02:25.53akioi would rather things break because of testing than incorrect packaging
02:25.57netdaemonWyzard, i'd agree to that then
02:26.06Nylehermes`, hi
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02:27.03akioim going with the script i think
02:27.14Nyleakio, if you got nothing to lose, might as well
02:27.21Nyleonly loss with be time
02:27.25Nylewill*
02:27.33akio?
02:27.41Nyleyou will only lose time
02:27.43akiolosing time to what?
02:27.52Nylenevermind!
02:27.59akiotime to fix it when it breaks on an update?
02:28.08Nylebingo :)
02:28.23Wyzardakio: Well, you'd just run the script again, and magically X works again
02:28.33Wyzardwhich is the sticking-your-head-in-the-sand approach to problem-solving  :-)
02:28.57akioI'm a novice programming student
02:29.19Nyleor if it doesn't work the first time and fucks up shit and you spend hours trying to figure it out and then end up reinstalling and then getting sid and then trying again, and then knowing sid constantly updates, breaking shit again, or maybe not, or mabye, or maybe not!
02:29.23Nylewho knows...
02:29.24akioI like a challenge but I don't know what I'm getting into when it comes to using sid
02:29.41Wyzardakio: FWIW, I started using sid in my freshman year of college
02:29.45Nyleif you got time, start using sid
02:29.52Nyleyou will learn a lot
02:29.59Wyzardakio: It can be a good way to become an expert
02:30.01NyleWyzard, same here!
02:30.09akioits not like im gonna lose console access or my files destroy themselves in sid right?
02:30.21Wyzardakio: but some of the learning will be "by necessity", i.e. something broke and you need to figure out how to fix it to get your system working again
02:30.29Nylearound freshman year too, 2002
02:30.30netdaemonstarted using sid a few months ago
02:30.31Nyle1
02:30.35Wyzardakio: Not just by virtue of running sid, though it's possible to do those things in other ways
02:30.42akiowhats the best way to get to sid then?
02:30.55Wyzardonce caused massive filesystem corruption by using hdparm to set a DMA mode that the controller/driver apparently didn't support...
02:30.57whoamihuh
02:31.09Nylewhoareu
02:31.17whoamiNyle, me?
02:31.23akiobut that must have been a long time ago
02:31.28Wyzardyeah, it was
02:31.37Wyzardright around the time I started using sid, actually  :-)
02:31.41akiowow
02:31.48NyleWyzard, what did you go to school for?
02:31.54WyzardNyle: computer science
02:31.56akiowhen did ultra ata 133 come out for linux?
02:32.03NyleWyzard, and what do you do now?
02:32.08WyzardNyle: software engineer
02:32.13Nyleprogrammer?
02:32.15Wyzardyeah
02:32.19akiothats what im going for
02:32.19Nylelanguage?
02:32.25whoamiakio, sid usually means new features,new kernel,new mem management,and stable etc,also unstable
02:32.37Wyzardcurrently Java and PHP; at my previous job I did mostly C++ with a bit of Java
02:33.00akioim jumping into ruby / RoR
02:33.01NyleWyzard, I went to school for networking, philosophy, music, information security
02:33.33Nylebut I never finished anything
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02:33.40Wyzardhehe
02:33.45Nylenow I have my own business and I don't work for anyone
02:34.03akioi would like to learn C# but I don't know the industry well enough to know what to pick, they tell me to pick one that i feel comfortable in but i don't like java, i just program it with easy enough understanding
02:34.09NyleI do what I want, when I want, got nice income, dude up above smiles down on me man, the big man in the sky
02:34.12Nyle:)
02:34.15Nyleahahaah
02:34.17Wyzardakio: Well, I started college in 2000 and my computer had a built-in ATA100 controller...  I don't think ATA133 existed yet
02:34.37Nylefinally I have time which is free to do my debian thing again
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02:34.58MiescoHow come flashplayer 9's audio skips in iceweasel?
02:35.08NyleMiesco, abode?
02:35.17akioi'm about to throw in the dist-upgrade
02:35.19Nylecuz they suck/lag for me on all browsers
02:35.28akiowish me luck?
02:35.37akioor advise...
02:35.41Nylefuck luck
02:35.41Wyzardakio: Java isn't bad btw
02:35.45Nylejust go for it
02:35.53abrotmanakio: didn't we tell you not to do it?
02:35.53Wyzardakio: but don't focus on one language and pigeonhole yourself
02:36.02MiescoNyle: Yea
02:36.11Wyzardakio: Learn both Java and C#, and C++ too
02:36.15NyleMiesco, yeh me too  they lag for
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02:36.26akiohmm
02:36.31NyleMiesco, I use youtube-dl for youtube and no other flash :(
02:36.45Nyleunless i put up with system/mouse lagging when video plays
02:36.46akioi thought aptitude dist-upgrade would turn this thing into a sid machine?
02:36.52xozflash is anti energy conservation
02:36.57Nyle!sid faq
02:36.58dpkghttp://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup)
02:37.01Wyzardakio: If you've put sid sources in your sources.list, yes
02:37.02Nyleakio, ^^
02:37.06akiooh
02:37.11akiooops
02:37.15Nyleread the sid faq
02:37.18MiescoIt only skips sometimes, like only some sessions
02:37.19akiojust replace lenny with sid?
02:37.47MiescoHow do I make it use gnash?
02:37.48Nylei think Wyzard wants to personally support you when you use sid ;)
02:38.08Nyleotherwise know that it isn't officially supported here for nondevelopers
02:38.25Nyleand I'm not saying that it can break
02:38.33Nylebut I'm saying that someday it WILL break
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02:38.47Nylejust know you've been warned about sid, and now make your own decision.
02:39.04akiolol, the security lines are useless for both lenny and sid aren't they?
02:39.09Nyleyes
02:39.10MiescoWhats the deal with ooxml, did it get standardized?
02:39.15akioyes it did
02:39.17whoamiWyzard, may i ask how long it takes some noob to learn c ?
02:39.20akiothat's so messed up
02:39.26Wyzardwhoami: no idea
02:39.29abrotmanMiesco: ask them .. not us
02:39.37Wyzardwhoami: depends entirely on the person, and how you learn it
02:39.42akiobut they gave OSS a taste of their own meds
02:39.55whoamiWyzard, in general
02:39.55Nylewhat do you mean own meds?
02:40.02Nylewhat kind of a thing is that to say
02:40.05WyzardMiesco: It passed, but several countries are appealing due to irregularities in the vote
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02:40.11WyzardMiesco: so it's not a standard quite yet
02:40.32Nyleakio, of which medicine you speak of, that has been concocted by oss, of which they got a taste of
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02:40.35Nyle?
02:40.47whoamithen what about,you,wyzard,how long it took you
02:41.00akiothe main reason ooxml sucks is that office still uses parts of the markup that isn't transferable to other programs
02:41.05Nyleas a professional developer
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02:41.08`ns`debian/testing plugged my usb drive in and it isn't showing up as /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 like it usually does. is there any way to find where it is located ? or any other devices I should try ?
02:41.16Nyleit takes years and years of experience to become good at proramming
02:41.28Nyleyou have to have a desire to program, and a desire to learn
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02:41.36Nyleyou learn best practices and other good stuff along the way
02:41.44NyleI'd say 5-8 years
02:41.51Nyleunless you've been doing it since you were a kid
02:42.17Wyzardin which case the 5-8 years have just elapsed already  :-)
02:42.20akioi think that the "other" programs will have to invent a way to use the same markups that are in question
02:42.45whoamiahhhhhhh,eight,years,i could do many things in so long time,why i waste time to programming,
02:42.55NyleI been playing guitar since I Was 4
02:43.04NyleI'm now 27, I kick ass at it
02:43.08akiobut I might just be blowing hot air, and I take back my word/phrase choice
02:43.10Nylehad i been programming
02:43.15whoamiyaaaa,that needs talent
02:43.20Nyledamn.. just think about it, I would be myself a friggin pc
02:43.21Nylelol
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02:43.27MiescoNyle: Thats what im trying to view with flash, me playing guitar
02:43.29Wyzardhehe
02:43.33Nylehehe /dev/brain0
02:43.35Nylelol
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02:44.07whoamii should do something,i want to do,and like to do
02:44.10NyleMiesco, swf? or flv?
02:44.21Nylei think mplayer can do it
02:44.28Nyleif its on youtube, try youtube-dl pckage
02:44.38MiescoIts on facebook
02:44.41Nyleand yeh, adobe flash is slowly bad
02:44.46Nyleslow 'n
02:45.01Nyletry a firefox extention for video download helper
02:45.08Nyledl the video and play in mplayer
02:45.08MiescoI got it
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02:45.38MiescoI can do that, but I want it to work in my browser
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02:45.45Nyleand link me to the video i'd like to see
02:46.08NyleI have frequent browser crashes
02:46.13Miescohttp://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1004887936141   (Dont know it it will work)
02:46.14Nylei hate adobe flash
02:46.34whoamihuh?my ff never failed
02:46.40abrotmanMiesco: not public
02:46.44`ns`flash, for when you really don't care about quality  :)
02:47.20MiescoI dont want to put it on youtube, and get all the negative critizism
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02:47.39Nyle"limited time tv offer only, call NOW! its not sold in stores Jan, cuz its a piece of shit"
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02:47.55PhisbutHello people, I'm trying to install the Miro player on Lenny...
02:48.03NyleMiesco, #music
02:48.08PhisbutIt says here (http://www.getmiro.com/download/other.php) that "Miro is available for Debian lenny and sid. To install, run: apt-get install miro"
02:48.21PhisbutHowever, apt-get install miro yields "E: Couldn't find package miro"
02:48.30NylePhisbut, you have to probably add thier repository in sources.list
02:48.31akioaptitude would not dist-upgrade me
02:48.38abrotman!info miro lenny
02:48.39WyzardNo, it's in Debian's own repository
02:48.49NyleWyzard, is it
02:48.50Nylehm
02:48.56PhisbutWhere can I know which repos I need to add to my sources.list to have access to the miro package?
02:48.57Wyzardbut apparently not in lenny
02:48.58WyzardIt's in sid
02:48.58abrotman!find miro
02:49.03craigevilmiro Candidate: 1.1.2-3 in sid, no clue about testing, apt-cache search miro
02:49.10dpkgDebian Search of 'miro' (4 of 13): (/usr/share/icons/mono/scalable/actions/miror.svgz) in kde/kde-icons-mono ;; (/usr/share/icons/slick/32x32/actions/miror.png) in kde/kdeartwork-theme-icon ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-486/kernel/sound/isa/opti9xx/snd-miro.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/sound/isa/opti9xx/snd-miro.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686.
02:49.17Phisbutso their website is wrong?
02:49.22Wyzardyes
02:49.35WyzardIt could be that it's normally in lenny but was removed for some reason
02:49.38WyzardThat happens occasionally
02:49.46Nylepool/main/m/miro/miro_1.1.2-3_i386.deb
02:50.01Nyleyou could backport it
02:50.07Phisbutok, that explains it then... I thought it would be in debian-multimedia, but it's not... I guess I'll compile from source then
02:50.17NylePhisbut, backport...
02:50.24craigevil!ssb
02:50.25dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.
02:51.19Nyledebs
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02:54.11MiescoNyle: Im trying to embed it into a html page
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02:57.37Zeltawhen does Penix come out
02:57.44abrotmanhuh?
02:58.00clarkGamblelol
02:58.01NyleHAHAHAHAHAHA
02:58.09abrotmanwhy is it funny?
02:58.09Nylethat was fucking hilarious.
02:58.17abrotmanoh wait .. you're on drugs
02:58.20abrotmanZelta: why?
02:58.39Nyleand you're a prick.
02:58.39Zeltajust curious
02:58.43Nyle!seen penix
02:58.43dpkgpenix is currently on #debian (2h 38m 55s). Has said a total of 34 messages. Is idling for 1h 51m 12s, last said: 'ricosecada: probably avant-window-navigator'.
02:58.43craigevilno Nyle cant be on drugs he quit :)
02:58.50abrotmanjesus you're an idiot
02:58.56abrotmanZelta: yes .. why? he is still here
02:59.08abrotmancraigevil: that was last week
02:59.10ZeltaI need to ask him something
02:59.24abrotmanZelta: so ask him .. he'll respond if he's awake .. or you can ask all of us
02:59.59NyleZelta, next time use !seen or something and just highlight the person, people usually respond if they come around
03:00.06Zeltaok
03:00.13NyleZelta, or wait until you see him online, or maybe send him a memo
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03:01.00abrotmanZelta: no one else can answer?
03:01.05Zeltano
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03:01.27LewocoDoes anyone know a liveCD that has fdisk/openssh and is under 100MB?
03:01.29clarkGamble!seen icesword
03:01.30dpkgicesword <n=iceman@222.140.5.65> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1h 19m 36s ago, saying: 'drag it in a player'.
03:01.33abrotmanZelta: he's likely sleeping
03:01.39hikenbootgreetings all--Am I right in saying there is no scripts to create a live cd or usb bootable thumb drive from an existing debian system with hardware detection?
03:01.44MiescoHow come aptitude doesn't work sometimes, just puts the curor to the top right of the terminal and just idles till I press ctrl+c and doesn't work till I log out and log back in
03:01.56abrotmanLewoco: maybe check the distro list at lwn.net
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03:02.07abrotmanLewoco: or ask ##linux
03:02.17abrotman!info bootcd
03:02.18dpkgbootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.10 (sid), Packaged size: 70 kB, Installed size: 280 kB
03:02.19abrotmanhikenboot: ^^^^^^^
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03:15.49PenixZelta: so, what is it that only I can answer?
03:16.07akiorebooting: (crossing the fingers)
03:16.15Zeltawhen does debian 1.0 come out
03:16.35clarkGamble1.0?
03:16.36PenixZelta: about > 10 years ago
03:16.48PenixZelta: have you ever even been to debian.org?
03:16.50Zeltabut there was never a 1.0
03:16.53Zeltaonly a 1.1
03:17.05Penixyou're being stupid. go away
03:17.17dondelelcarothere was never an official 1.0, but there were cds with 1.0 on them.
03:17.53Zeltaoh okay
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03:21.45akioso everything apparently went fine
03:22.18clarkGambleakio, you have upgraded to sid,so fast
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03:22.40akiowell cat /proc/version does not say sid
03:22.47akiodoesn't say lenny either though
03:23.07`ns`debian/testing plugged my usb drive in and it isn't showing up as /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda2 like it usually does. is there any way to find where it is located ? or any other devices I should try ?
03:23.20Wyzardakio: That tells you the version of the kernel, not the version of Debian
03:23.40Wyzardakio: Try /etc/debian_version
03:23.45akioso where is debian version?
03:23.48akioo
03:24.35Penix'but that says lenny/sid!?!?!'
03:24.35akioummmm lenny/sid?
03:24.36Penixakio: well, you should know what you upgraded your system
03:24.37Penixto
03:25.05akioxorg got updated with a bunch of other stuff
03:25.25Penixthat means nothing
03:25.40Penixwhat did you put in your sources.list? an unstable line or a testing line?
03:26.08akioi replaced the word "lenny" with "sid"
03:26.11Zeltaif there was a race to see which would be release first, Duke Nukem Forever and Debian Lenny, who would win?
03:26.16Penixwell, there you go.
03:26.19akioand commented out security
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03:26.43Wyzardakio: There's no harm in leaving the security source enabled, though it probably won't help much for testing or unstable
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03:27.20Wyzardakio: I leave it enabled just in case there's a security update for some package that hasn't changed since etch was released (in which case the update would actually get installed since it's the new latest version)
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03:27.55akioso what about this makes 3d desktop easier?
03:28.00akiolol
03:28.21`ns`you have a holo screen ?  <g>
03:28.34akioyep
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03:28.48akiowell its sorta like the one from minority report
03:29.04Wyzardakio: Well, unlike etch, sid has versions of the nVidia and ATI drivers that support AIGLX, which is a prerequisite for compiz
03:29.06`ns`nice  :)
03:29.11Rusty1lsusb
03:29.12akionot quite 3d, but about an inch thick of this suspended gas that light refracts through
03:29.56akiofor some reason compiz complains that XGL isn't there
03:30.14akiomaybe reconfigure the package
03:30.19Wyzardakio: XGL is an ugly hack that was superseded by AIGLX
03:30.21`ns`I'm just glad my screen works.
03:30.25WyzardThere should be a way to tell it to use AIGLX instead
03:30.27akioi know that much
03:30.38akioi tried the wobbly windows the first time i saw itr
03:30.48akioits what got me really interested at first
03:31.17Wyzardlikes compositing but not wobbly windows
03:31.21akioright
03:31.26akiowobbly is not cool
03:31.36akioi like scale
03:31.41akiothats the main reason i use it
03:31.47akiothe expose
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03:32.50Zeltawhat about the cube :O
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03:33.40akionow i need a whitelisted driver
03:33.46WyzardI just like the added responsiveness due to programs not having to redraw themselves all the time, plus the drop shadows that make it easier to see how windows are stacked
03:34.12Wyzardand metacity now supports that, so I don't need to use compiz
03:34.49Rusty1sorry, ns perhaps the output of hwinfo , grepped well, will find your usb drive (prolly overkill)
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03:37.40akioWyzard, do you use nvidia?
03:37.46Wyzardyes
03:37.56akiowhat driver and version do you use for xorg?
03:38.02akiofor compositing
03:38.11Wyzardthe one that's packaged in sid
03:38.15akiohmm
03:38.16Wyzardwhich just got updated today, coincidentally
03:38.21Wyzardto 169.12
03:38.24akiodo you use the packaged compiz?
03:38.24hikenbootwhere can i find a deb package or an apt source for gcc-4.1.2?
03:38.38hikenbootall i can find is the source
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03:39.04Wyzardhikenboot: The gcc-4.1 package in etch is 4.1.1
03:39.09Wyzardhikenboot: Do you really need exactly 4.1.2?
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03:39.31hikenbootyes trying to build vmware server and it doesnt want any part of any other version
03:39.37Wyzardakio: No, I don't use compiz at all
03:39.45`ns`Rusty1, maybe overkill, but worth a try .... installing hwinfo right now  :)
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03:40.15Wyzardhikenboot: It warns if the current compiler is different from the one that the kernel was compiled with, but 4.1.1 is fine for that
03:40.30akiobut you are compositing?
03:40.47Wyzardakio: yes, metacity in the latest GNOME has compositing support
03:40.58akioand to turn it on?
03:40.59Wyzardakio: not as much eyecandy as compiz, but I don't really want all that anyway
03:41.09hikenbootso i get 4.1.1 from etch apt-source and i should just ignore the message?
03:41.17Wyzardakio: You have to use gconf-editor to turn it on
03:41.25Wyzardakio: /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager IIRC
03:41.36Wyzardhikenboot: Just install the gcc-4.1 package
03:41.42Wyzardhikenboot: You don't have to apt-source anything
03:42.01SerajewelKSyay, my server's syslog is filled with "eth0: Transmit error, Tx status register 82."
03:42.07Wyzardhikenboot: If "gcc -v" tells you a version other than 4.1, use "CC=gcc-4.1" when running vmware-config.pl
03:42.14SerajewelKS670MB worth of it
03:42.19Wyzardhikenboot: e.g. "CC=gcc-4.1 vmware-config.pl"
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03:42.51SteArnI've some problems with xorg. It refuses to use the video mode "1280x768". It just complains with "Not using mode "1280x768" (no mode of this name)" anyone got an idea of what it might be?
03:43.13WyzardSteArn: Like it says, it doesn't have a definition for that mode
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03:43.27SteArnAnd where's these modes defined?
03:43.40WyzardSteArn: The "1280x768" name doesn't actually tell it the pixel dimensions to use...  that's just a string that's used to look up an actual mode entry in the modes list
03:43.57akionice
03:44.00WyzardSteArn: X has built-in mode definitions for all the "standard" video modes, but to use something else you'd have to define a custom mode
03:44.12akiobut the window redraw is a little sluggish
03:44.39akioWyzard, is that normal?
03:44.59Wyzardakio: Sounds like maybe you're using the nv driver (which has no 3D acceleration) instead of the nvidia one
03:45.07akioyep
03:45.17freesbieno 3D = no ogl?
03:45.18Wyzardso you should install the nVidia driver
03:45.23Wyzardfreesbie: no, just very slow ogl
03:45.24akioi didn't see an nvidia one in the packages
03:45.32freesbiesoft ogl?
03:45.35Wyzardakio: It's in non-free...  you have to add that to your sources.list
03:45.36Wyzardfreesbie: yep
03:45.41akioah
03:45.54Wyzardakio: and if you're adding non-free, you should add contrib too
03:46.01akiook
03:46.03SteArnWyzard: Thanks... But it's weird. Worked out-of-the-box last time...
03:46.04akiowell this is cool
03:46.29akioso there is no way in hell im getting metacity to scale for me is there? because that would be ideal!
03:46.36Wyzardakio: nope, it doesn't do that yet
03:46.37SerajewelKSwhy would this be happening?
03:46.45SerajewelKSi do not notice any slowness
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03:46.50freesbieeh, debian is very old now
03:46.55Wyzardakio: Metacit's compositing consists of:  drop shadows on windows, and window previews when alt-tabbing
03:47.00Penixfreesbie: you're very wrong now
03:47.06freesbieo.o
03:47.12WyzardSteArn: is your monitor an LCD?
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03:47.33SteArnwell, a laptop monitor
03:48.00WyzardSteArn: you may be able to just omit the resolution from your xorg.conf entirely -- it'll autodetect the monitor's native resolution and use that
03:48.15WyzardSteArn: though depending on your video driver and your version of xorg, that may not work
03:48.15freesbieSteArn, do you like some modlines?
03:48.19jimfreesbie: ok... you're welcome to make your own or run anything you want...
03:48.44SerajewelKSaccording to ethtool, the interface is running half-duplex
03:48.45SteArnfreesbie: modlines == ? =P
03:48.48freesbiewhy should i do this?
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03:48.59akioWyzard, how did you know i was using gnome?
03:49.00PenixSerajewelKS: which is probably why you're getting that error
03:49.03jimbecause debian is old?
03:49.07WyzardSerajewelKS: bad cable?
03:49.09hikenbootWyzard, you are truely a wizard...thanks it still complained but it didnt error out this time
03:49.11freesbieSteArn, there are many formula on internet
03:49.12jimdon't you want to run something else?
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03:49.25PenixSerajewelKS: try forcing full duplex
03:49.26SteArnWyzard, it get's "1280x768" as native resolution, but it still uses 1024x768
03:49.48Wyzardakio: I assumed; I've never heard people talk about using compiz in KDE
03:49.58akiooh thats right
03:50.02SerajewelKSPenix: that does stop the messages
03:50.05Penixit can be used with kde
03:50.06freesbiejim, i have run too many oss
03:50.29SerajewelKSWyzard: i doubt it, more likely it's the proprietary shit switches used here, or the card itself
03:50.34jimrun one you like (you don't like debian, right? it's too old?)
03:50.39SerajewelKSPenix: how would i make this change stick between boots?
03:50.40PenixSerajewelKS: what sort of card?
03:50.44freesbiejim, there are more than a dozen of free oss
03:50.54jimrun one you like (you don't like debian, right? it's too old?)
03:50.55SerajewelKSPenix: 01:08.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] (rev 24)
03:51.03Penixheh. I was gonna ask if it was a 3com
03:51.11WyzardSerajewelKS: hmm, I used to use one of those
03:51.33SerajewelKSPenix: there are two in this box, the other is a 3c905C
03:51.34jimmaybe you don't know what you want?
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03:51.42WyzardSerajewelKS: The 'C' revision had a quirk that made 10/100 autonegotiation not work, but I used a 3c905B for several years without problems
03:51.51SerajewelKSPenix: it's facing my switch (the box is a gateway) and that interface has no issues at all
03:52.02SerajewelKSWyzard: oh, hmm
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03:52.07Penixyeah, what Wyzard said....
03:52.08SerajewelKSWyzard: maybe the C is eth0 then
03:52.25WyzardSerajewelKS: I'd have thought that'd be fixed in the driver by now, but maybe not
03:52.29Matsonis there anyone that can explain how the exim4 conf debconf update-conf mess works?
03:52.59jimask the exim4 maint
03:53.01Matsonif I edit a configureation file in /etc/exim4/conf.d/router and restart exim4 -- does it read the configureataion file there?
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03:53.05SerajewelKSanyway, how do i force eth0 into full duplex on boot, the Right Way (e.g. putting a call to ethtool in local.rc would not be preferred)
03:53.23jimhave you read the docs?
03:53.28WyzardSerajewelKS: Does it say it's using 100mbit?
03:53.32zophyclouds of oxygen
03:53.38Matsonjim: you're 0 for 2 on helpful
03:53.47jimhelp yourself
03:53.52SerajewelKSWyzard: yes
03:53.58MatsonI am.
03:53.59akioWyzard, does your sources.list say sid or unstable?
03:54.02jimnow I'm 0 for 3...
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03:54.09Matsonjim: where are the docs covering exim4 configuration?
03:54.15jimbut I'm not keeping score in that way
03:54.15WyzardSerajewelKS: hmm...  sounds like it's doing nway then, but still, based on past experience I wouldn't really trust that card
03:54.30Wyzardakio: Mine says "unstable", but it doesn't really matter which you use
03:54.30SerajewelKSnway?
03:54.30alexeimirandaNo, insert ethtool on /etc/network/interfaces
03:54.37jimmaybe google knows
03:54.38alexeimirandaup ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full autoneg off
03:54.53SerajewelKSalexeimiranda: i know what the line to use it, i just executed it
03:54.57Matsonwell, I've spent the last hour reading google and groups, and reading docs I can find
03:55.03Matsonwhich is why I'm here now
03:55.12SerajewelKSs/it/is/
03:55.13jimMatson: if you can't help yourself, your score is dropping too, don't forget that
03:55.14Matsonnad I've edit files and restarted my MTA about 10 times
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03:55.34jimyou're the one keeping score :)
03:56.01alexeimirandaOK, sorry
03:56.16SerajewelKSWyzard: nway meaning...
03:56.32akioi fat fingered my sources.list
03:56.34akiowow
03:56.35jimhave you told anyone the history of what you've done? even formed a web page with everything you've tried and for each, the result?
03:56.38WyzardSerajewelKS: NWAY is the name for the speed and duplex autonegotiation that Ethernet cards do
03:56.43akioand i copied and pasted
03:56.51SerajewelKSWyzard: ah
03:57.06jimif you've done all that work, it ought to count for something
03:57.11MatsonI'm trying to add 2 lines to my exim4 configuration
03:57.23Matsonso no, I have not created a website for my efforts
03:57.35Matsonjim, you're not someone who is helping at all
03:57.55jimno, and not intending to in the way you're thinking
03:57.58Matsonis there anyoen else who has reconfigured exim4?
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03:58.23SerajewelKS!anyone
03:58.23dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
03:58.39jimif you're not telling people the history of your problem, you're not being cooperative in asking for help
03:59.01jimaside from which you're also not acting cooperative in your attitude
03:59.04MatsonI am trying to add "local_part_suffix = +*" to my exim4 configuration
03:59.25Matsonwhen I add it to the files in /etc/exim4/conf.d/router and restart exim4
03:59.34Matsonthe MTA does not seem to change it's behavior
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03:59.51Matsonmy question is if exim reads all the files in /etc/exim4/conf.d
04:00.10Matsonor if reads some other file that is part of the dpkg-reconfigure process
04:00.49MatsonI'm a bit frustrated because I've spent an hour on this already and can't seem to get it to work
04:01.03jimreport your results from that effort.
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04:01.30mardihiya!
04:01.50Matsonwell, I added 2 lines:
04:01.51Matson<PROTECTED>
04:01.51Matson<PROTECTED>
04:01.55Matsonto this file:
04:02.05Matson300_exim4-config_real_local
04:02.15Matsonrestarted exim4
04:02.27`ns`Rusty1, didn't find anything in hwinfo, which gave me an idea. there was a problem with my last dist-upgrade I think ... it removed a lot of my loaded modules, really messed up my system. I went searching in modconf and found a few more missing ones. got my usb storage working again, and as a bonus it has my mouse wheel working again  :)
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04:02.35jimit would seem to me that just restarting would not update a configuration
04:02.35Matsontried sending mail to localuser+foo@myhost.org
04:03.00Matsonjim: and hence my initial question
04:03.20jimwhat docs have you read?
04:03.22Matsondoes exim4 read the text configuration files in /etc/exim4/conf.d?
04:03.37Matsonhttp://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.40/doc/html/FAQ_4.html#TOC164
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04:03.47Matsonhttp://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.40/doc/html/
04:03.54jimok, any debian docs?
04:04.01Matsonhttp://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.40/doc/html/FAQ_4.html
04:04.41Matsonhttp://www.exim.org/exim-html-4.40/doc/html/spec_24.html#IX1888
04:05.00lkthomasguys, can I adjust net.ipv4.tcp_wmem value on fly or my nic connection will drop ?
04:05.04jimyou might try looking in /usr/share/doc
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04:11.31Tramplkthomas: without /knowing/ the answer, I'd say you can adjust it. The value will, however, only be used for newly created sockets, not for existing one
04:11.55lkthomasI see, ok
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04:12.07lkthomasTramp: some people don't suggest to adjust it
04:12.12lkthomasTramp, what do you think
04:12.25Tramplkthomas: however, this is more an educated guess. If lives or fortune depends on it, be careful.
04:12.43lkthomasI do actually
04:12.51lkthomasthis box is iscsi target
04:12.59lkthomasit does transfer tons of large file
04:13.34Tramplkthomas: I just did it on a system of mine and no fire broke out...
04:13.49lkthomasany gain from the adjustment ?
04:14.42Tramplkthomas: no. But I didn't expect any 8)
04:14.53lkthomasLOL
04:16.15SteArnArgh! I've added a modeline but still; "Not using mode 1280x768 (no mode of this name)" What am I doing wrong?!? *bash head in keyboard*
04:16.52Tramplkthomas: It's the size of the TCP send buffer - max by default is >2MB. Looks like a lot to me.
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04:18.16Matsondoes anyoen know how to get exim4 to display or show which route is being used to deliver mail?  It seems there are a series of different routes listed in /etc/exim4/conf.d/router/* and each one is tried sequentially
04:18.38lkthomashehe ?
04:18.40lkthomasa lot ?
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04:22.02lkthomasok, this is crazy
04:22.09lkthomas[  3]  0.0-10.0 sec  99.4 MBytes  83.2 Mbits/sec
04:22.22lkthomasboth side is on gigabit ethernet, how come only got 83Mbit ?
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04:26.34Tramplkthomas: starting with bad hardware there are probably a gazillion reasons. The tcp send buffer size would not be among the first I'd look at. But then - I'm not a network guru.
04:27.20lkthomasit is running gigabit ethernet but only got 100mbit speed
04:29.07Penixgigabit switch?
04:29.11lkthomasyep
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04:31.30thesporeHi, where do i specify the system architecture for apt?  I set it up and when I try to install anything it says the package arcitecture (i386) does not match system ()
04:31.55Penixthespore: are you running a proper Debian i386 install? from official media etc.?
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04:32.13thesporeit's a LFS install
04:32.18Penixthere's your problem
04:32.28Penixyou're not using debian. you'll have to figure it out yourself
04:32.57thesporeokay, you can't just tell me how apt determines the arcitecture?
04:33.09Penixapt's not what you want to be looking at
04:33.56LewocoWhy does sshd allow me to login on the 127.0.0.1 interface but not on my LAN interface (192.168.1.64)?
04:34.48civillianCheck out ListenAddress in sshd_config
04:34.52Penixthespore: my only experience with something similar is when the GNU/kFreeBSD port underwent an ABI transition from 'freebsd-i386' to 'kfreebsd-i386', which required reinstallation
04:35.10Penixthespore: I don't think what you're trying to do is meant to be done
04:35.17civillianLewoco: else, if you've just brought up an interface, you have to restart sshd
04:35.36thesporePenix, well it's been done before (apt on LFS)
04:35.54Penixapt with LFS is a stupid idea
04:35.55aptokay, Penix
04:35.55thesporeso, apt doesn't look at a config file or anything like that to determine the system architecture
04:36.05thesporePenix, how so?
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04:36.29Penixthespore: well, where are you gonna get your packages from? Debian repos?
04:36.58Penixusing apt and all the rest with a custom LFS system is just defeating the purpose of Debian's advantages
04:37.13thesporewell yeah, it'll essentially be a debian system after this.. the only reason for LFS is that my laptop is screwy and no distro would run stable
04:37.35Lewococivillian, There is no ListenAddress specified in my sshd_config. According to the man page this should make it listen on all local addresses... which it does since ssh can connect ok, it's just refusing my password.
04:37.44Penixthespore: you mean, system won't boot any installation media?
04:38.04Penixyour system, rather
04:38.24kgoetzthere is a debian from scratch ...
04:38.35thesporePenix, no it would install debian but the kernel would freak out every 5 minutes
04:38.48Penixthespore: then installing LFS is *not* the answer
04:38.59Penixthespore: that's just making things ten times worse in the long run
04:39.00thesporewell it's up and running stable with XFCE
04:39.22Penixif a particular kernel won't boot, tell your bootloader to load an older copy
04:39.29Penixor install a working one from a live CD or something
04:39.52thesporei think the official distros try to outsmart themselves when it comes to detecting laptop hardware
04:39.58Penixthespore: you've already come here with the first of your many problems to come. imagine how much worse it'll get
04:39.58thesporeanyway the system is working 100% the way I want
04:40.13Penixthespore: then support it yourself and run it the way you want
04:40.18Penixthespore: you won't get help here though
04:40.48TrampLewoco: (a) check auth.log on the server side for messages (b) run ssh with option -vv and pastebin the output
04:40.53Penixthespore: there are many alternative methods of installation, and more importantly, proper solutions to your problem
04:40.59thesporePenix, alright i asked a simple question and you just spewed your arrogance.. i guess the way I want to do things is just inferior to your ways
04:41.09Penixhow am I being arrogant?
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04:41.17PenixI offered the slight bit of knowledge I have on the subject
04:41.35Penixthen informed you about how what you're doing is going to cause more problems than it'll fix
04:41.50Penixand that you're not using Debian, so we won't help you here, because it's off topic
04:41.52thesporePenix, I used LFS: 1) so that I could figure out where the hardware problems/kernel panics were coming from 2) for knowledge of Linux
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04:42.07thesporeapt is from debian isn't it?
04:42.11Penixthespore: ok, that's fine. know expand your knowledge of Debian by fixing the simple kernel problem
04:42.19Penixthespore: yes, it is. but it doesn't making something Debian
04:42.26Penixs/know/now/
04:42.32dondelelcarothespore: there are lots of things that are from Debian, but if you're not running Debian itself, it's not on topic here.
04:42.37Penixs/making/make/
04:42.39thesporeah, okay
04:42.43thesporethis is distro-only?
04:42.44PenixI need a chair...standing and typing sucks
04:42.48dondelelcarothespore: yes.
04:42.52thesporesorry about that
04:43.00thesporeanywhere i can ask about apt?
04:43.11thesporeoutside of the debian distro
04:43.35Penixyou should really consider taking a look at why your kernel's not booting
04:43.36thesporePenix, i think you're right though.. i should scrap dpkg+apt and go with something else
04:43.37dondelelcarothespore: you can ask on its upstream development lists or probably on the lists of the distribution that you are using
04:43.39Penixwe'll help you with that
04:43.49WormFoodis there anything better than cdparanoia for what it does? (I haven't had the need to rip a cd in years)
04:43.57dondelelcaroWormFood: not that I've found
04:44.12PenixI just ripped a CD for the first time in ages
04:44.26WormFoodthanks dondelelcaro, that is kinda what I thought I would find
04:44.40dondelelcaroWormFood: there are a bunch of tools that use cdparanoia, like jack and similar which are useful, but that's about it
04:45.04WormFoodyeah, but I prefer command line tools most of the time anyways
04:45.35dondelelcaroWormFood: jack is command line
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04:45.47dpkgupdatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep
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04:45.54WormFoodI just went through today an renamed about 2000 pictures on the command line, with a tiny script I wrote....would have taken forever to use a GUI
04:46.23Penixapt: JohnMM is 12 years old
04:46.24aptPenix: okay
04:46.54TrampWormFood: there is cdda2wav which is marked now as a transition-dummy package for icedax - not that I've tried any of them
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04:47.16WormFoodTramp, that is opposite of what I want/need
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04:47.29WormFoodI want to convert a cd to mp3s
04:47.36WormFoodto listen to on my ipod
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04:47.56TrampWormFood: but cdparanoia is a ripper, isn't it? Wasn't that your initial question?
04:48.15WormFoodyes
04:48.29WormFoodTramp, I misread what you said
04:48.37Trampah.
04:50.19WormFoodI was thinking cdparanoia would also encode to mp3s....that shows how long it has been since I used it
04:50.48WormFoodthat is what "jack" is for, eh?
04:50.58WormFoodI mean, to rip and encode with one command
04:53.00TrampWormFood: I use abcde, which is a (cli) frontend for other tools (like the one mentioned).
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04:53.53WormFoodthanks Tramp, I'll give that a shot too
04:53.55TrampI let it encode with either lame or oggenc
04:54.10WormFoodyeah, I'll be using lame
04:54.47WormFoodif I can find it
04:55.08Tramp!dmm
04:55.08dpkgmethinks dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
04:55.50WormFoodthat sounds like what I need, thanks again
04:55.58Trampnp
04:56.07sChaaahola
04:56.50WormFoodcool, they even have a repository for my part of the world :)
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05:32.00debian2_6_24_1amanyone know a place to get hd movies
05:32.36akio!poll
05:32.36dpkg"Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>
05:32.45akiolol
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05:32.56debian2_6_24_1amthats a good one
05:32.57cahootgoogle?
05:33.02dondelelcarodebian2_6_24_1am: various retailers have them; regardless, it's rather off topic here.
05:33.03debian2_6_24_1amsure
05:33.22akiodondelelcaro, hey you are a regular
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05:33.49akiowould you know what i need to do to convince my x-server to use a different driver
05:33.58dondelelcaroakio: change your X configuration
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05:34.10akiojust do a reconfigure
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05:35.16dondelelcaroakio: I don't know if the reconfigure step asks you about your driver anymore. In general, the X server should always pick the right one. However, when it does not, you'll have to add a stanza to your X configuration if reconfiguring doesn't ask you about it
05:36.05akiohmm brb
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05:36.32akionope
05:36.32Wyzardakio: Once you have nvidia-glx (the nVidia driver) installed, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and "nvidia" will be one of the driver choices
05:36.47akiodidn't get to choose
05:37.16Wyzardakio: Try "dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg"
05:37.24akioplow?
05:37.30Wyzardakio: priority low
05:37.39akiowhat does that do?
05:37.42Wyzardakio: i.e. show all questions, even the "unimportant" ones
05:37.47akioahh
05:37.49akiocool
05:37.50D0c5i5can grub boot from a usb stick as a usb flash device (not emulated) if I kickstart it from a floppy or from the same usb stick that supports fdd boot? (i want to put grub on a small fdd partition at the front of the stick, and the balance of my image on the back half of the stick)
05:38.08Wyzardakio: Normally it shows only higher-priority questions and silently uses the default for lower-priority ones
05:38.23Wyzardakio: It's configurable what priority it normally runs with (dpkg-reconfigure debconf, I think)
05:38.43akioit did the same thing
05:38.45Wyzardakio: but using -plow should get you the driver-selection menu (as well as a bunch of other questions you haven't seen before; just go with the defaults for those)
05:38.51akiomostly keyboard and locale
05:38.54Wyzardhmm
05:39.09WyzardThat's strange
05:39.25WyzardYou could also just edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change "nv" to "nvidia"
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05:40.31akiosimple as that?
05:40.43akiofor the driver section...
05:42.41Wyzardyeah
05:43.26WyzardYou've installed the nvidia-glx package, right?
05:43.27akiomy conf is extremely sparse
05:44.06akioyep
05:44.34akioi actually did it without module-assistant
05:44.42akioread the readme
05:45.00akioi made my first deb
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05:46.03GhostlyDeath|LptDamn dosfsck
05:46.39akiothe man on dpkg-reconfigure says that it would show low priority questions anyway
05:47.05Wyzardakio: with "make-kpkg modules-image", you mean?
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05:47.17akio?
05:47.25Wyzardakio: for building the kernel module
05:47.31akionope
05:47.48akioit was a readme for the source on 169
05:48.08akioi had to compile it because it was updated today and it broke nvidia-glx
05:48.13akioi think*
05:48.21Wyzardakio: ah...  that readme is pretty old
05:48.29Wyzardakio: and might be out-of-date; I'd recommend using module-assistant
05:48.37akioit had 2.6.14 for examples
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05:49.27Wyzardakio: That's over two years old
05:49.49akioi figured it would be fine since they left it there
05:50.07Wyzardakio: It might be; I don't know
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05:50.21Wyzardakio: but module-assistant is the way pretty much everyone does it these days
05:50.25heymrcan someone help me troubleshoot samba?
05:50.33Wyzardakio: so that's the way you *know* will work
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05:51.03ricosecadaThis morning when I try to start my X server with "startx" I get the error: "startx command not found"
05:51.09heymrI'm trying tho browse the shared docs on my moms computer but it says "cannot display files"
05:51.21heymrricosecada: try X
05:51.39GhostlyDeath|LptHmm
05:51.51heymr: /
05:52.03GhostlyDeath|LptUsing the "mount" command, How would I mount my FAT32 drive /dev/sdb1 to /media/b as read only?
05:52.06ricosecadaheymr, thanks!! Has that been changed?
05:52.18heymrricosecada: it worked???
05:52.37ricosecadaheymr, yes
05:52.49heymrricosecada: i don't think anything has changed. startx is clasic :P
05:52.56heymrbut X works too
05:53.07ricosecadaheymr, all I did yesterday was update the system
05:53.29heymrricosecada: it prob upgraded xorg.. but no clue about the startx thing
05:53.44heymrricosecada: if you like try alias X startx
05:53.44akiowow that program rocks
05:53.55akiotoo bad i did it the hard way
05:54.08heymrakio: wut program?
05:54.08akioit says it installed
05:54.19akiomodule-assistant
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05:54.30Wyzardricosecada: /usr/bin/startx is in the xinit package in sid's xorg, but I think it used to be in xbase-clients in older versions of xorg
05:54.36Wyzardricosecada: in case that's any help
05:54.47ricosecadaWyzard, i'll take a look
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05:55.27akiowhere are my modules?
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05:55.59Wyzardakio: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/nvidia/nvidia.ko
05:56.16akioi just used slocate
05:56.18akiowow
05:56.22akioi found it
05:56.25Wyzardakio: You don't need to load it manually though; the xorg driver loads it for you
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05:56.39akioi was just making sure it was there
05:57.05ricosecadaWyzard, thanks! somehow I must have deleted xinit
05:57.12heymrwhat is python called in the repos?
05:57.15Wyzardakio: You should also have a /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.so, which is the actual xorg driver, provided by the nvidia-glx package
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05:59.09heymrwhat is python called in the repos?
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05:59.21Wyzardheymr: "python"
05:59.30heymrwhy does nautilus say it can't show the contents of shared folder
05:59.38akioyep
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05:59.52Wyzardheymr: "python2.4" and "python2.5" for specific versions; "python" gives you /usr/bin/python as a symlink to python2.4
05:59.57heymrWyzard: dang. thats what I thought. after trying to install it it says "2 not upgraded" and quits
06:00.03akioit looks like the nvidia-glx is showing up in the init scripts
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06:00.12akioim gonna restart x again
06:00.15akiobrb
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06:00.50akionope
06:01.12Wyzardakio: nope what?
06:01.13akioi remember blacklisting works with things like this
06:01.22akiono acceleration
06:01.32akiousu. means no module load
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06:01.35akioill lsmod
06:02.25heymrdo I need libgtk1.2
06:02.25heymr?
06:02.40Wyzardheymr: Probably not, unless you have some old programs installed that need it
06:02.41heymrit says it was held back from upgrade (to lenny)
06:02.45akioit loaded a module named nvidia
06:03.01heymrWyzard: ok, so if I remove maybe I can install programs again...
06:03.10Wyzardakio: If you changed your xorg.conf to use the "nvidia" driver, and xorg started successfully, it sounds like you're using the driver
06:03.18heymror maybe python is already installed :)
06:03.20heymraha
06:03.21heymrthats it
06:03.24akiodidn't touch the xorg.conf
06:03.33akiothat thing scares the crap out of me
06:03.43akioeven though i make copies
06:03.46Wyzardakio: oh, I thought you were going to change it since dpkg-reconfigure wasn't giving you the choice of using nvidia
06:04.08Wyzardakio: You don't need to make extensive changes; just find the line that says Driver "nv" and change it to "nvidia"
06:04.08heymrakio: ah shucks, don't let it scares you :) its very friendly, has a little outline and options for devices... :) its mostly friendly
06:04.13akioi don't know of a good reference as i have dual monitors, don't know if that makes a difference
06:04.28Wyzardakio: ah, dual-monitor configuration for xorg is a bit more complicated, I think
06:04.39akiothere is no driver section
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06:04.57Wyzardat least, if you want to use the nVidia driver's own dual-monitor support (which is necessary if you want to get 3D acceleration across both monitors)
06:05.03akioonce i get the driver running properly nvidia-settings works like a dream
06:05.09WyzardIt's not a section
06:05.18akioor stanza
06:05.19WyzardIt's a line that says Driver "nv"
06:05.20akio?
06:05.24Wyzardin a Section "Device"
06:05.29ricosecadaMy desktop trash icon is missing.. how do I restore that?
06:05.45heymrakio: Hey akio, check out this arch wiki on seting up xorg: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg
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06:09.54heymrhow can I convert .ram audio to .mp3?
06:10.01heymrpossible?
06:11.08akiohttp://rafb.net/p/Nqs6Xv51.html
06:11.19akiothats what the device section looks like now
06:11.35akioim gonna restart x to see if it breaks
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06:15.14lkthomashey guys
06:15.35lkthomasI am planning to change IP on a production server, should I lower DNS TTL from 3600second  to something else ?
06:15.44yacclkthomas: yes
06:15.59lkthomaswhat is the best TTL value ?
06:16.05yacclkthomas: guess you might try to stuff the TTL with 60seconds.
06:16.05lkthomasfor temp change IP situation
06:16.12lkthomas60second, hmm
06:16.20yacclkthomas: Lower values are often not accepted by DNS servers.
06:16.44yaccAfter, you have to wait out the old TTL value, so only the new entry is in the wild
06:16.54yaccAnd then you can change it over quickly.
06:17.07yaccAnd if everything works as expected, you can reraise the TTL.
06:17.10lkthomasso the lowest is 60second ?
06:17.43yaccThink so, don't remember exactly.
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06:18.45dondelelcaroit can go lower, but the ttl is still advisory
06:19.04lkthomasdon: so 60second is ok ?
06:19.33zophy[]anyone know what driver i need to utilize the s-video input on a thinkpad a22p ?
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06:21.25lkthomasI set it to 60second then
06:21.32lkthomaswait two days and then start to change IP
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06:33.42sigp239I tried reinstalling the grub boot loader, but I got an Error 1.  Can anyone help please?
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06:35.46akioyou wouldn't know how to get the gnome-panel on the left display now would you?
06:36.08akioother than disabling the right display i can't find a way to do it
06:36.30akiowhat kills me is that i did it before in nvidia-settings but now it eludes me
06:37.46sigp239What is the procedure to reinstall grub to the MBR with the Debian Etch install CD?
06:38.00kgoetzakio: do you want it stretched or a new panel on the left? (i asume your doing dual head)
06:38.05clarkGamble!recover
06:38.05dpkgrecover is probably http://recover.sourceforge.net/
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06:38.23kgoetz!grub
06:38.23dpkgfrom memory, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub.  For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc".  To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors>
06:38.25akionot a new panel, the only panel should be on the left
06:38.33kgoetzsigp239: look at !fixmbr
06:38.42sigp239!fixmbr
06:38.43dpkgSo you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
06:38.46kgoetzakio: click and drag it
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06:39.22akioomg
06:39.29pandahi all
06:39.33akiowhat about gdm?
06:39.44akiogdm shows up on the wrong screen
06:39.51akioi had it before
06:40.03akioi want to choose which display is 0
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06:41.06sigp239kgoetz:  Why would I "grub-install /dev/hda"?  My hard drive is known by sda, not hda.
06:41.22clarkGamblehehe,then it is sda
06:41.24kgoetzbrb - at work
06:41.40jimsigp239: so it
06:41.45jimis scsi?
06:41.49civilliansigp239: sda = scsi / SATA
06:41.50sigp239no it's SATA
06:41.54civilliansd rather
06:42.00civilliansda is the first scsi disk
06:42.02civillianor sata
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06:42.29jimwell originally, the sata is using the scsi subsystem
06:43.02sigp239so I should do sda, not hda, correct?
06:44.21civilliansigp239: if you're using scsi/sata then yes.  if using older-style IDE then its hda, hdb etc
06:44.41wastedboyalright I'm supposed to help wodim to raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits, this is being done via ulimit?
06:44.54sigp239Have you seen this method http://wiki.debian.org/GrubRecover
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06:47.34wastedboyheh, there's mlock ...
06:47.48zophy[]i am really clueless about how to use the s-video input on this thinkpad
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06:50.59iamnubutnicehello everyone! :) is there a newbie way to install nvidia 3d drivers in lenny?
06:51.35simonrvniamnubutnice: /msg dpkg nvidia
06:52.57maxs_hey, sometimes when I run many applications, the mouse stops responding and the system grinds for a bit, then it may come back or be stuck indefinitely
06:52.57iamnubutnicethanks simon. but i have already tried that. i am not successful: i cannot find nvidia-kernel-source
06:53.24simonrvniamnubutnice: /msg dpkg non-free
06:53.34maxs_you guys know how I might stop that, besides scrapping this old heap?
06:55.20cammoblammomaxs_: Don't run so many apps at once?
06:55.25simonrvnadd some ram
06:55.30akioi think i am going to hand write my damn xorg.conf
06:55.35akiothis is nuts
06:55.43clone_maxs_, buy more ram
06:55.51simonrvnprobably swapping like crazy
06:56.04maxs_akio, I stole my xorg.conf from suse
06:56.19akioi have a dual monitor setup
06:56.25cammoblammomaxs_: You could try increasing or decreasing the swappiness or reconfiguring your kernel, but that won't make the problem go away, and could cause other issues too.
06:56.48clone_maxs_, why did you steal the config?
06:57.16cammoblammoI think they want it back...
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06:57.18maxs_actually, just copied the synaptics touchpad cofig
06:57.51maxs_*config.. debian didn't config it right
06:58.07R1ckif I install apache from APT, and then compile a module (mod_security) against it with apxs, what happens when the apache package is upgraded? will the module still work or with the entire server break?
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06:58.58simonrvnif the abi and api don't change, it'll work, unless libc6 changes
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07:01.41bintutis there an adobe acrobat reader for etch?
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07:02.18R1cksimonrvn: ok, thanks
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07:06.21heymri don't see hw:0,0 for playback option audacity
07:06.21bintutjelly-home: thanks
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07:06.32dimirMorning!
07:06.39heymrdimir: morning
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07:09.11heymri don't see hw:0,0 for playback option audacity
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07:13.04sigp239I tried the !fixmbr but it did not work.
07:13.39sigp239I got this error:  /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc does not have any corresponding BIOS disc.
07:13.58heymrsigp239: what are you trying to do?
07:14.11sigp239heymr:  I'm trying to reinstall grub onto my MBR
07:14.38heymrsigp239: open up a terminal and type grub
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07:14.51sigp239heymr:  I'm not in linux atm
07:14.54clarkGamblei heard it is setup hd0
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07:15.36sigp239First I installed Debian, then later I installed Vista onto another partition.  Now, I need to reinstall grub to the MBR...
07:15.52clarkGambleor try grub4dos
07:15.59clarkGambleuse it boot debian
07:16.02heymrsigp239: to reinstall grub you just type in grub though, right?
07:16.11heymrooooohh!
07:16.17heymrYou are in windozze..
07:16.21kgoetzsigp239: what command did you run to get that error?
07:16.22clarkGamblelol
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07:16.36sigp239kgoetz: The one from !fixmbr
07:16.38sigp239!fixmbr
07:16.38dpkgSo you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub"
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07:17.10sigp239kgoetz:  After the last command "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/sda && update-grub" I got that error.
07:17.20clarkGamblehere,download grub4dos,http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/
07:17.41heymrsigp239: did you jsut try getting into a grub bash thing?
07:18.06sigp239heymr: what's a grub bash thing?
07:18.13clarkGamblegrub>
07:18.19heymrsigp239: r u in busybox right
07:18.27sigp239what is busybox?
07:18.33heymrits what you go into if you run the command grub
07:18.41sigp239I can't run grub
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07:18.44sigp239I'm not in Debian
07:18.47heymrcommand not found?
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07:19.01heymrsigp239: your in the debian cd right...?
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07:19.13clarkGambleadd c:\grldr=debian to your windows's boot.ini
07:19.13sigp239I was, yes.  I went into rescue mode.
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07:19.40heymrsigp239: go download puppy linux and fix your system
07:19.44sigp239heymr: But I couldn't run grub.  It said it couldn't find it.
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07:19.53sigp239Why can't I do this from the Debian CD?
07:20.14heymrsigp239: because its busybox? I don't know why
07:20.21kgoetzwonders if the debian wiki has a grub fixing tutorial
07:20.34clarkGamblesigp239, you don't need to change your mbr.use grub4dos
07:20.37sigp239kgoetz: Yes it does, I tried it, but it didn't work either.
07:20.39ZoupHi :) how can i make DI ask user for Hostname preseed installation without dhcp is in progress ? :)
07:20.46kgoetzsigp239: :/
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07:21.01kgoetzZoup: ask for preeseed?
07:21.04sigp239kgoetz:  It says to go into rescue mode and then choose "Execute a shell in Your root partition", but there is no such option given.
07:21.09heymrsigp239: all I know is that you can do a ton of stuff with a puppy linux live cd. and fixing grub would be a peice of cake if you can mount your disks and then just get into a grub cli
07:21.35Zoupkgoetz: its a semi preseed , i like it to do anything but ip address and hostname using preseed file :)
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07:21.52simonrvnyou can do that from a debian install cd...
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07:22.03kgoetzsigp239: when you have the boot: prompt up type 'expert' - should show all available options
07:22.03heymrsimonrvn: run grub? or get into a shell
07:22.28simonrvnboth...
07:22.30kgoetzis wondering why dpkg's intstructions didnt work
07:22.37sigp239simonrvn:  Would you please inform me how to reinstall GRUB onto my MBR?
07:23.06heymrsimonrvn: yes, tell him.
07:23.07clarkGamblethinks no one knows the grub4dos thing?
07:23.11Zoupd-i netcfg/get_hostname string unassigned-hostname
07:23.20heymrclarkGamble: true
07:23.26clarkGamblehoho
07:23.28simonrvnmount your /; chroot to it; run grub-install; exit chroot; umount /; reboot
07:23.37simonrvnit's not hard
07:23.38Zoupit does only set simple string as hostname , i need to ask user for it! :)
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07:23.47heymrsigp239: once you get into grub is should be as simple as "install (hd0)" and your done
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07:23.59simonrvnoh, you might need /proc and /sys mounted, but no biggie
07:24.43clarkGamblewhy is everyone's method so different
07:24.43sigp239simonrvn: I tried that and I got this error:  /dev/scsi/host2/bus0/target0/lun0/disc does not have any corresponding BIOS disc.
07:24.43heymrsigp239: what simonrvn said
07:24.47simonrvnso?
07:24.56ma3xwhy wireless runs perfect until some time and then I have to switch to another channel to gain the same performance, hence it starts lagging (note:there aren't many wireless networks around)
07:25.13simonrvnthat's a warning, not an error
07:25.14clarkGambleheymr, would you mind have a look at it,i mean grub4dos?
07:25.17simonrvn!errors
07:25.17dpkgif you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing.  Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors
07:25.22simonrvn!error
07:25.22dpkgThe error is on line 89373
07:25.29simonrvnmeh
07:25.31Zoupkgoetz: any idea? :)
07:25.42kgoetzZoup: no, i havent used preseeds :(
07:25.55clarkGambleor anyone,i know all of you are experts
07:25.57sigp239simonrvn:  well I rebooted and grub was not there.
07:26.18kgoetzsigp239: what version of debian is this?
07:26.19heymrclarkGamble: i'm no expert
07:26.31sigp239kgoetz:  Lenny with SID nvidia drivers
07:26.36Zoupkgoetz: guess this are debconf commands , do you need any reference to check for all available debconf variables for a package ? netcfg for example ?
07:26.52heymrhow can I make audacity playback on hw:0,0 ?
07:27.04Zoupkgoetz: for example , i want to know what commands are under d-i netcfg/*
07:27.13simonrvnpeople keep calling me expert, and i say, "i'm no expert, i just know what i know"
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07:27.37simonrvnsigp239: translate into geekspeak please? what does "not there" mean?
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07:27.44kgoetzZoup: perhaps a preseeding tute will tell you how
07:28.17Zoupkgoetz: no it does not contain anything about this issue ;) Thank you :)
07:28.27kgoetzZoup: oh well :\
07:29.03sigp239simonrvn: I mean, after rebooting, there is no grub menu.  It just boots straight into Vista.
07:29.39clarkGambleor have a look at this,it is readme of grub4dos
07:29.41clarkGamblehttp://pastebin.com/m5bcdf969
07:29.56debian!pastebin
07:29.56dpkgPlease don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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07:30.06Siliciumhi there
07:30.16simonrvnyou haven't fixed the mbr then
07:30.40sigp239simonrvn: No, I have not.
07:30.51Siliciumiam try to add more than one Repos into the preseed file, can i do this or is better to create a post install script for this?
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07:31.12clarkGamblehave a look at why ntldr if vista use that too,boot linux is possible
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07:33.00kgoetzdepending on where you are using ntloader to boot debian could be illigal
07:33.09sigp239How do I get to the "Execute a shell in Your root partition" option from the Debian installer CD?
07:33.11clarkGamblewhat,illegal?
07:33.56clarkGamblekgoetz, would i be more clear,mbr(windows)>ntldr>grldr>your linux,would that be illegal
07:34.35simonrvnkgoetz: wth?
07:34.39kgoetzclarkGamble: using ntloader to boot not-microsoft products. (i dont have a reference for the legalese anymore)
07:34.53simonrvn!fuck ntloader
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07:35.09clarkGambleho?it just a binary file to binary file.okay
07:35.09simonrvnbah, they took out the factoid
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07:35.14clarkGambleit is only binary
07:35.24clarkGamblebinary will manage binary
07:35.33simonrvnwhat does it being binary have to do with its license?
07:35.34Siliciumis only illegaly when you disassamble the ntldr
07:35.51Siliciumso regularry boot another OS is not illegaly i think
07:36.07simonrvnso i guess you can't use bash because it's compiled....
07:36.16simonrvnrolls his eyes
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07:36.47lymecaI'm getting a lot of perl locale errors
07:36.55Siliciumso, you can disassamble and document the api and then another guy can code the stuff maybe :)
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07:37.05clarkGamblei know,windows=dirty word in here,i am so sorry,man,pass it ,then,just as if i didn't say it
07:37.06lymecahttp://pastebin.ca/975062
07:37.08Siliciumlymeca: perl is payne, use ruby
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07:38.28simonrvnlymeca: when installing stuff? /msg dpkg locales
07:38.30heymris ntfsfix a safe command to run?
07:38.54clarkGamblenever heard,what will it do
07:39.04lymecasimonrvn: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is not installed
07:39.07heymrclarkGamble: clears logfile and stuff
07:39.09simonrvntry `man ntfsfix'
07:39.10lymecamaybe that explains it?
07:39.15lymecaapt-get install locales?
07:39.31heymrsimonrvn: k. I want to run it on /dev/sdb*
07:39.33heymr:P
07:39.36heymrso i better
07:39.38simonrvnlymeca: so install that. default is C/POSIX
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07:40.09simonrvn!aptitude
07:40.09dpkgsomebody said aptitude was "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes).  A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get.  Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude.  See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t
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07:41.27heymrcool. now it mounts :)
07:41.51clarkGamblesigp  is gone,see what will happen
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07:44.36heymrhey I have a sarg sequirity repo in lenny dist. is that ok?
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07:44.59simonrvnno
07:45.05simonrvnuse testing security
07:45.09clarkGamblei get it,guys,that grub4dos is illegal,or some sort of dirty,is not adopted by gna,i knew now,and i know why
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07:46.36clone_man...I love debian
07:46.59clone_and yes...if possible, I would marry it
07:47.11Davieyawww, puppy love
07:47.39clone_no...this is no infactuation, it has been years now
07:47.54clone_I am committed...debian is all I want and need
07:48.09clarkGamblelol
07:48.30kgoetzsteps away from clone_
07:50.21cammoblammokgoetz: Remember, you don't have to be the furthest from clone_. Just don't be the closest!
07:50.27clarkGamblekgoetz, may i pm you
07:50.49clone_clarkGamble, sure, but don't be to much
07:51.06kgoetzcammoblammo: rofl
07:51.09clone_clarkGamble, oops, never mind
07:51.11heymrsimonrvn: what is that rep? for some reason it want to default to sarg sequirity and sarge main
07:51.11clarkGamblego way,dude
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07:51.41heymrsarge
07:52.25Tuskerheya guys... am having a problem with locales on etch... it seems to always want to set LC_ALL somewhere... but I can't find out where... i have done the usual dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales... locale-gen... etc... where is the LC_ALL being picked up from ?
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07:55.38pinto3maybe try grep LS_ALL /etc/* /etc/*/* /home/you/* /home/you/*/*
07:55.45simonrvn!testing security
07:55.45dpkgPut "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny.
07:56.11pinto3and .*'s
07:56.21clarkGamblekgoetz, sir,pm?
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07:57.07noobistanjackbauis it possible to *downgrade* from lenny to etch? *i cant install nvidia non free to advanced for me...
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07:57.36kgoetzclarkGamble: ok
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07:57.44kgoetznoobistanjackbau: no it not
07:57.46simonrvnTusker: /etc/environment
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07:57.57simonrvnnoobistanjackbau: not really no
07:58.06noobistanjackbauoh no...
07:58.21Tuskersimonrvn: i've checked that
07:58.25Tuskersimonrvn: and changed it
07:58.41simonrvncheck your ~/.profile
07:58.52Tuskeralso
07:58.54Tuskernothing there
07:58.59simonrvnafk
08:00.10clarkGamblekgoetz, you recieved me
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08:00.26heymrI got:The following packages will be REMOVED: bug-buddy{u} eog{u} esound{u} evince{u}
08:00.31heymrand more
08:00.40heymrwhat do the {u} mean?
08:01.31kgoetzclarkGamble: no, your not identified
08:01.34heymrhmm?
08:01.47clarkGambleoic,i am sorry
08:01.48heymrcan I safely upgrade even though its removing a ton of stuff
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08:02.38heymrsimonrvn: I added it to the sources.list and it updated, upgrade wants me to remove a ton of packages with "{u}" after the names
08:02.52heymrI already did a dist-upgrade
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08:04.20heymri hope this works...
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08:05.14jimyou did a dist upgrade from what to what?
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08:07.18heymrjim: i dunno i'm so confused
08:07.24heymrI thought I had an etch cd
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08:08.20heymrbut the software properties windows and sources.list was using sarge as main stable and also etch
08:08.23fx|RabBithi! is there anything licke checkinstall for etch too?
08:08.27heymrwhy two dists?
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08:08.54heymrso anyhoo I put in only lenny main and upgraded
08:09.15heymrthen now I'm adding the lenny sequirity repo and upgraded. its removing stuff too.. :/
08:09.19heymrhmm
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08:09.30kgoetzheymr: your system sounds very broken
08:09.54kgoetzheymr: change all your sources to be etch, upgrade, make sure it works stil, then if you want go to lenny
08:09.56heymrkgoetz: i know. well, it was.  seems ok now...but its like removing eog... why?
08:10.15kgoetzheymr: package resolution presumably
08:10.19heymrkgoetz: wouldn't that be like downgrading again?
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08:10.31martianixorguys, I need a different backend for burning CDs temporarily, what're the options?
08:10.34heymrits just a sequirity update though
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08:10.49heymrI allready did a dist-upgrade to lenny from etch. pretty sure things went ok
08:10.51jimheymr: one thing to notice about debian... it's easy to upgrade
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08:11.19heymrjim: well, i came from Arch.. :P a rolling release ;)
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08:11.49heymrits removing a bunch of gnome stuff for a sequirity upgrade?
08:11.53heymrso strange...
08:11.58martianixorheymr: would you try burning CDs/DVDs if you have a burner and tell me the result? thanks in advance
08:12.30heymrmartianixor: what??
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08:12.37fx|RabBitdoes anzbodz even know checkinstall_
08:12.37heymrmartianixor: why, lol
08:12.45jimwell if you upgrade to a new version at the same time you're adding the security archive, it's pretty much going to replace everything
08:12.45martianixorheymr: your system is lenny now, correct?
08:12.51heymrfx|RabBit: after make install
08:13.01heymrmartianixor: I believe so.
08:13.22jimdo you want lenny?
08:13.23martianixorheymr: did you try burning CDs/DVDs yet?
08:13.31fx|RabBitheymr: its about creating.deb packages...
08:13.47SlimeyPeteI've been burning DVDs under Lenny just fine.
08:13.54amphimartianixor: I burnt on successfully on lenny a couple of weeks ago; no problem
08:14.04amphiit's not something I do often
08:14.05heymrin sources.list I only have: this: deb http://ftp.debian.org/ lenny main contrib non-free and deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free
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08:14.13martianixoramphi: a couple of weeks that's not soon
08:14.27martianixoramphi: that's why I'm trying to make sure what the problem is, so I start troubleshooting it
08:14.54jimheymr: so if you had etch before you'd have lenny after you did that
08:15.18heymrmartianixor: burning cd's involve wodim. guis include k3b and brasero. what DE you in? gnome? kde? or openbox...:P
08:15.49heymrjim: right, but see I was confused because I had sarge repos AND etch in my sources.list by default
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08:16.30jimwhich should result in etch if you did a full upgrade
08:16.44martianixorheymr: gnome, I tried burning using gnomebaker, k3b, also from the CLI but it never works
08:17.08martianixorheymr: and I'm aware that k3b for instance is only the front-end
08:17.11amphimartianixor: what error do you get, running wodim from the command line?
08:17.14jimwhy it's never wok?
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08:17.37amphimartianixor: does it appear to work in dummy mode?
08:17.45jimwhat's wodim? something like cdrecord?
08:17.56martianixorjim: wodim is the fork
08:18.04jimof?
08:18.12martianixorjim: cdrecord http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/
08:18.15akiois there anyway i can control which monitor gdm pops up on?
08:18.17jimahh
08:18.32martianixoramphi: stupidly I didn't try dummy mode
08:18.40amphijim: it's a much more intuitive name
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08:18.48fx|RabBitso if there apparently no such thing licke checkinstall how do i make a .deb outta linux-uvc-source?
08:19.04martianixorjim: oh sorry wodim is a part of cdrkit
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08:19.12martianixorjim: cdrkit is the fork of cdrecord
08:19.24dfashi all if I generate a license on debian openssl and sign it with my own server..what must I do so that XP clients do not give out warnings about the validity of the cert on my own network...might bi OFFTOPIC ..but the XP guys wont answer anything once they hear linux
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08:20.28amphicdrkit is the fork of cdrtoos, no?
08:20.42martianixoramphi: my last position from this issue was when I read the debugging report of k3b, it said wodim: operation not permitted couldn't raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK
08:21.13amphimartianixor: you get that running wodim as root also?
08:21.20martianixoramphi: although I used /etc/security/limits.conf to raise the maximum memory lock, it didn't work
08:21.26martianixoramphi: and my user is a part of the cdrom group
08:22.17jimgotcha... thanks for the link.
08:22.26martianixoramphi: no, but I recall using wodim as root and it didn't work, now I'm retrying no harm doing that, and I'll check the dummy mode this time
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08:22.35PaloAltohello
08:22.51martianixorjim: you're very welcome if that was for me
08:22.55PaloAltoim using lynx with proxy
08:23.14PaloAltoand i want to set hosts that should not use proxy
08:23.17PaloAltohow would i do that ?
08:23.35CyorxampLo, debian uses a proprietary font for its logo, and theres even the HP logo in the main packages which is an obvious copyright - why did we make such a fuss over the firefox one?
08:24.22martianixoramphi: ah and sorry for the confusion you're right, cdrkit is the fork of cdrtools, cdrecord is part of cdrtools, cdrecord's alternative in cdrkit is wodim
08:24.23jimCyorxamp: you should file a bug and get them thinking about it
08:25.38kgoetzwhat main package has the hp logo?
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08:25.50jimso there is a cdrecord and a wodim in the package?
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08:26.33Cyorxampkgoetz: I don't use it personally but its that one for setting up the HP drivers
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08:26.54agnitiois anyone else having issues with digikam, for me it doesn't show all images in an album, and it's not always the same images that it's "forgetting", very strange
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08:27.12agnitioand it is the same for all albums
08:27.20agnitioit forgets about 5-10% of the images
08:27.30martianixoramphi: thank you so much for reminding me of dummy
08:27.37martianixors/dummy/dummy mode/
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08:27.48dondelelcaroCyorxamp: the open use logo is the only one that should be included, and it's freely modifiable
08:27.55martianixoramphi: interested in the output? so I paste it?
08:27.59jimdummy is as dummy does?
08:28.11dondelelcaroCyorxamp: anyone else's logos which are not freely modifiable shouldn't be included; if they are, file a bug.
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08:28.44kgoetzjim: ones probably a simlink
08:28.55Cyorxampdondelelcaro: Its this HPLIP thing, several HP logo's used as icons
08:29.04martianixorjim: the burner goes through the steps while the laser is turned off, useful for testing, man wodim
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08:29.42dondelelcaroCyorxamp: file bugs if the logos aren't properly licensed, then. However, there nothing stoping those logos from being actual free implementations.
08:30.05Cyorxamptheres still the issue of the main debian logo! I hardly think that'll change
08:30.12amphimartianixor: sure - I don't expect I'll have anything enlightening to say about it, though
08:30.14dondelelcaro(there may be questions about trademark, but so long as they're in the descriptive capacity, there's nothing problematic about it)
08:30.28Cyorxampmy point wasnt to get rid of these but rather to perhaps tone down the well... fanatasism on that level
08:30.47dondelelcaroCyorxamp: what about it? The person who made it had the license to the font, and we have the full line art for it
08:31.03dondelelcarothere also are a few free fonts which are work-alikes for it too.
08:31.15Cyorxampits just hypocritical compared the rest of our social contract
08:31.35dondelelcaroCyorxamp: I think you mean the DFSG, and it's not really.
08:31.35jimwhat is the license?
08:31.57amphiCyorxamp: AFAIK, it was mozilla who 'made a fuss' about their logo being used for a version patched by debian
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08:32.01dondelelcarojim: it's Expat iirc, with a trademark clause
08:32.37dondelelcaro(though the license of the open use logo has unforuntatly long been problematic)
08:32.43Cyorxampamphi: oh and I agree with them, by rebranding it is essentially making a fork - an unneeded one
08:32.58jimso Expat is the name of the font... and it's trademarked? or it's used in a trademarked logo? or both?
08:32.59martianixoramphi: http://phpfi.com/307987
08:33.10akiodondelelcaro,
08:33.12CyorxampI know this is a dark and probably over talked issue - but it won't go away so easily
08:33.14dondelelcarojim: no, the font is per-something or other
08:33.19dondelelcaro!debian logo font
08:33.19dpkgThe debian logo's font is Poppl Laudation Condensed. http://www.identifont.com/show?U5 by Friedrich Poppl.
08:33.20akioi have a really good question for you
08:33.29Cyorxamppeople are starting to think debian users are well, a little anal and out of date - more fault of ubuntu :(
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08:34.08kgoetzCyorxamp: more shame them ('people')
08:34.10jimwell they should be reminded that tested software tends to work better
08:34.11amphimartianixor: that's what you get as root?
08:34.16martianixoramphi: yes
08:34.19akioin a dual monitor setup, how does gdm figure out what monitor to display on?
08:34.23dondelelcaroCyorxamp: people are welcome to have whatever uninformed opinions they want.
08:34.28martianixoramphi: from my humble point of view, it's very strange
08:34.35amphimartianixor: "The current problem looks like a buffer underrun" would seem significant
08:34.39Cyorxampjim: oh I agree, I don't run anything but debian stable on my production machines and servers
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08:34.59dondelelcaroCyorxamp: anyway, what is the actual issue? You're just concerned what people think?
08:35.36Cyorxampsince I realised how far the FSF is going to get the 'free OS' and even debian doesn't hit the mark its just got me re-thinking all over again about how far debian really needs to go down the 'purity' route of being free
08:35.42amphimartianixor: did you try at a very low speed? buffer underrun does seem odd, unless your disk is extraordinarily slow
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08:36.24Cyorxampif some firmware isn't, our logo isn't, some other bits arn't... why not an exception for the logo of one of the most popular pieces of floss software ever - something we have now alienated
08:36.29martianixoramphi: I've set speed=8
08:36.49amphimartianixor: same with 2, or 1? ;)
08:36.53dondelelcaroCyorxamp: we don't make exceptions for things in main.
08:36.54kgoetzCyorxamp: there is a bug open about the debian logos freeness (which i belive is in spi's court atm)
08:37.13Cyorxampdondelelcaro: it's just conversation I'm passing time, not going anywhere specific
08:37.14dondelelcaroCyorxamp: things that are non-free and we can distribute we distribute in non-free.
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08:38.21byte_slavehello!
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08:38.43Cyorxampwe're already tainted as far as I can tell - already out of our depths to what we 'should be' in terms of free ness
08:39.07Cyorxampubuntu has kept itself gnu/linux - very unstable lol, but at least still technically gnu/linux
08:39.14dondelelcaroCyorxamp: tainted how?
08:39.23Cyorxampwith all the niggles I've mentioned so far
08:39.29kgoetzCyorxamp: ubuntu is far far worse then debian on hte freeness front
08:39.29dondelelcaroCyorxamp: which niggles?
08:39.32Cyorxampthe firmware thing has FSF
08:39.36Cyorxamprieled up alot
08:39.47jimCyorxamp: I'm starting to see where you're talking about here...
08:39.59CyorxampI think canonical have launched a GoBuntu without this non-source available firmware stuff
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08:40.02jimthe firmware is generally in non-free
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08:40.44kgoetzCyorxamp: so thats one of the dozen issues you've got
08:40.52jimwhen you say debian you wouldn't include non-free
08:41.01Cyorxampno of course not
08:41.03kgoetznotes also that gobuntu isnt totalyl clean yet eather
08:41.15martianixoramphi: sorry I got a phone, I'm trying now with speed=1
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08:41.35CyorxampI love the idiology of a totally clean OS in the ideal world of fairies and co-operative hardware manufacturers
08:41.48jimI got a phone too... and I'm not sorry! :)
08:42.13Cyorxampdebian however by the very nature of the work arounds it has and other bits in itself acknowledges it can't be done 'yet'
08:42.14InktjetSome CMS wise script is messing up; it makes a certain dir being chmodded to 700 after a certain time; I would like to make a cronjob for this that it chmod's the dir to 755 every 30 mins; till i found out what causes the problem, anyone knows how I could do this best?
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08:42.52mhymnhi,what is the name of the package that add database(mysql) support to apache?
08:42.56jimCyorxamp: I'm glad you're making that clear... earlier you weren't, and your statements had a tendency to pull attention
08:43.14martianixoramphi: no errors, I'll try now without -dummy
08:43.24Cyorxampaltho I hate ubuntu and what it has done by the wayward sibling and how unstable it is... i'm kinda seeing how their 'leniency' for things like the firefox logo make a little more sense
08:43.34Cyorxampunless you want an ultra ultra hippy clean OS
08:43.38Cyorxampwhich debian isn't
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08:44.13jimok, you're back to handling your statements in an unclean manner.
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08:44.36Cyorxampwell I'm chatting on the job :P
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08:44.55jimyer trolling :P
08:45.01kgoetz^^
08:45.17Cyorxampnah, just chatting - seriously folks, i wanna know how people feel about this stuff
08:45.22Cyorxampit's interesting isn't it?
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08:45.55jimyou're making statements meant to get a rise in a particular direction... this is trolling by definition
08:46.34Cyorxampoh forget it, if your going to cry witch because you can't join in calmly I'll shut up
08:46.46kgoetzCyorxamp: if your interested in knowing, i'd like debian to be completely free as well (i do some stuff with gnewsense, and watch gobuntu also)
08:46.55jimI rest my case :P
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08:48.03kgoetzjim: guilty as charged
08:48.23amphioff with his head!
08:48.26byte_slavei installed backuppc application via apt-get and i make some mistakes, and i couldn't remove it with "apt-get remove ", so i installed it, by "finding all related files | rm -rf ", now i tried to install again it but the apt-get database contain the old records, how can i delete old records?
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08:48.46jimat least off with his keyboard...
08:48.52amphimartianixor: it succeeded with -dummy at x2 or only x1 ?
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08:50.17_vvdapropos dummy, anyone has third yet? ^^)
08:50.25amphibyte_slave: what abut apt-get install --reinstall foo ?
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08:50.31deufraihi there
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08:50.53deufraiHow do I prevent logwatch to output stats about iptables logs ?
08:51.12jimdon't run it?
08:51.19byte_slaveamphi, let me try the --reinctall switch
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08:52.53pifhi, is there a way to proxy a web radio so that only one stream is fetched from the outside of my network?
08:52.57amphibyte_slave: you might want to ask the bot about confmiss
08:53.14pifeven if several sources listen to it from the inside
08:53.24byte_slaveamphi, sorry how can i ask the bot?
08:53.42Guerinpif: I believe this is possible using vlc
08:53.44amphibyte_slave: /msg dpkg confmiss
08:53.51Guerinhowever it will never be impossible to circumvent
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08:54.20Guerinpif: you'd want to poison DNS for the whole network, for instance
08:54.26byte_slaveamphi, thanks, --reinstall didn't work, i'll ask the bot
08:54.35byte_slave<PROTECTED>
08:55.05pifGuerin: that's not a problem, users would know/use the internal address
08:55.22pifis icecast usable as a webradio proxy maybe?
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08:56.14Guerinpif: oh, easy then
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08:57.01Guerinpif: ask #vlc if there is one - otherwise, ask their mailing list
08:57.13Guerini don't know anything about icecast, I'm sorry
08:57.26pifoki
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09:00.48rcbarnesIs diff smart enough to stop search two files as soon as a difference is found if it's called with -q?  If so, does it also stop recursing (and comparing) upon finding a difference within two directories when called as diff -q -r?
09:01.23LewocoI have 2 computers running debian and whenever a package gets updated each computer downloads it separately. I have a slow net connection, is there something I can do to make it only download once?
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09:02.44InktjetSome CMS wise script is messing up; it makes a certain dir being chmodded to 700 after a certain time; I would like to make a cronjob for this that it chmod's the dir to 755 every 30 mins; till i found out what causes the problem, anyone knows how I could do this best?
09:02.49kgoetzLewoco: share the cache/install a proxy
09:02.58Jabkawhat is wmaster0 interface ? (it apperead after upgrade to b43 wifi module)
09:03.12kgoetzInktjet: fix the script?
09:03.22GuerinJabka: probably your wireless card acting as a master - that is, an access point
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09:03.31Inktjetkgoetz: not an option for now; too complicated
09:03.42Inktjetcronjob should be a temp solution
09:03.48hackerlittlei need someone who can teach me how to hack shop admin and get emaillist
09:04.01kgoetzInktjet: ad a cronjob to roots cronta
09:04.14JabkaGuerin, but i have another wifi interface (wlan0) , what should i do with it (wmaster0)
09:04.14GuerinLewoco: you can use apt-proxy, apt-cacher or squid to cache packages. Either of -proxy and -cacher might be deprecated, but squid is more work
09:04.16jimhackerlittle: first learn C
09:04.33icesword咯咯lol
09:04.43Inktjethackerlittle: lol
09:04.52GuerinJabka: i'm not sure, it was a guess. I recommend posting ifconfig -a output to paster and asking here and in #wireless
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09:05.37jimor better, take MIT 6.001
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09:06.14iceswordit is a course?
09:06.23jimyeah
09:06.29hackerlittlewho can teach mwe how to hack data base
09:06.38milligan_:)
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09:06.49iceswordhackerlittle, #hack
09:06.59milligan_I was feeling a bit down.. thanks for hackerlittle .Put a smile on my face :)
09:07.08milligan_thanks for that *
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09:07.32iceswordthey will told you the world is full of holes,linux 's holes is just waiting to be found,lol
09:07.34sidgyckhackerlittle: :-)
09:08.19jimhackerlittle: install postgresql and postgresql-clients
09:08.36jimand learn to USE a database
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09:08.57Inktjethackerlittle: mailto:info@visa.com
09:09.17Inktjethackerlittle: you made my day
09:09.20Inktjethackerlittle: thanks mate
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09:10.08zyx386hi
09:10.19zyx386how can install python2.5?
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09:10.59jimyou could build it yourself into /usr/local
09:11.11jimor you could look at backports.org
09:11.42zyx386but how? i have no internet connection!
09:11.50kgoetz...
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09:11.54jimzyx386: yes you do
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09:12.01jim(guess how I know)
09:12.15zyx386jim, how can i thet
09:13.38jimif you didn't have an internet connection you wouldn't be here :)
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09:14.09zyx386jim, debian installed of another px
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09:14.15zyx386*pc
09:14.20zyx386iam with ubuntu her
09:14.23phorce1just discovered verbatim DVD's (at least this batch" suck. 16x my a$$! Burning at 8 seems fairly reliable.
09:14.29jimwhy doesn't it have internet?
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09:15.34zyx386because i use usb modem to internet
09:15.52zyx386and the software to connet, need python 2.5
09:15.53jimand...
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09:16.19zyx386i can't with ppp or gnome-ppp to internet
09:17.13jimyour choices here are still the same...
09:17.20jimyou could build it yourself into /usr/local
09:17.25jimyou could build it yourself into /usr/local
09:17.52jimyou could look at backports.org
09:18.16zyx386but i have no internet connectiom
09:18.31phorce1zyx386: So locate the python2.5 package in backports (it it exists, I haven't looked), download the .deb file to your current computer, copy ot to portable media (CD, USB stick, floppy), carry it to the other computer, dpkg -i python-whatever.deb
09:19.28phorce1You *do* have an internet connection, just not on the computer where you need the files.
09:19.43zyx386ok thanx
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09:20.54zyx386phorce1, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python&searchon=names&section=all&suite=etch-backports
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09:21.50phorce1woo-hoo! 8 DVDs burned. I'm all the way up to 30GiB free space (on a 500GiB drive)
09:22.11phorce1zyx386: I really don't know backports that well. I've not had cause to use any.
09:23.29phorce1is starting to think that the time required to move data off of the drive might be worth the $100 to just buy another big drive.
09:23.51zyx386what you talking about!!!
09:23.54zyx386hhha
09:24.12jimzyx386, go look and see
09:24.21jimbackports.org
09:24.24zyx386i found anything
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09:24.40jimoh good... so then you might find something
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09:27.07phorce1zyx386: The drive stuff -- I was talking about me, here locally. I've been using a 500GB drive as a "dumping ground" for big files I want to keep and I haven't cleaned it in a while. I was down to about 3GB free space on that drive. I am now burning DVDs of the files. It's going to take a while.
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09:29.26enoufphorce1: verbatims are usually good quality (or were), however 16x is entirely dependent on your drive and it's firmware
09:29.46enoufphorce1: but yeah, another HDD is the way to go ;-)
09:30.03jimverbatim used to be the worst
09:30.12enoufnah
09:30.19jimthat and memorex
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09:30.39hackerlittlewho can teach mwe how to hack data base
09:30.44hackerlittlewho can teach mwe how to hack data base
09:30.47enoufit's the MIT (Made in Taiwan) ones to stay far away from
09:30.53jimnow they're not bad... they've been around a long time
09:31.01azeemhackerlittle: do you have a Debian question?
09:31.09enoufMIJ (Made in Japan is the schiznitz)
09:31.27enoufTaiyo-Yuden was #1 for a while
09:31.37azeemenouf: please discuss this elsewhere
09:32.13hackerlittlewhere???
09:32.18hackerlittlei need it
09:32.19hackerlittleok
09:32.27phorce1believe it or not, the best success I ever had with write once media was with the Wal-Mart "DuraBrand" CD's. those things were indestructable. I never found out who made them (since we KNOW they were rebranded from someone) and I don't see them on the shelf anymore.
09:32.33azeemphorce1: eh, you too
09:35.21CoolColdis here any familiar with library names & symlinking?
09:35.44LagboltCoolCold, in what way do you mean?
09:36.03beardyAsk your question in a better way, or at all, and you will have great justice.
09:37.00CoolColdhttp://paste.org.ru/?77tpoz
09:37.30azeemwhat is your question?
09:37.45CoolColdi have symlink libtbbmalloc.so.2 -> libtbbmalloc.so.2.0.017
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09:38.15CoolColdbut where is symlink libtbbmalloc.so > libtbbmalloc.so.2 ?
09:38.16Cheef-Danielhi
09:38.26CoolColdand who/what should produce it?
09:38.27azeemCoolCold: in the -dev package usually
09:38.39CoolColderr
09:38.42azeemCoolCold: I suggest you read the rest of policy as well
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09:38.58CoolColddev packages is package containing sources/headers
09:39.12azeemand the symlink
09:39.13Cheef-DanielI have some troubles with my postfix/amavis/spamassassin setup
09:39.29azeemCoolCold: dev packages don't contain sources anyway
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09:40.45phorce1azeem, jim, enouf : Slight shift to be more on-topic. I think my speed issues might be the way Debian is handling the hardware on my MB. I can't use one of the GUIs that let's one drag-and-burn. Fails with write errors every time while accessing SATA and IDE at the same time to build the iso and burn it aven at 2x. Manufacturers are getting sloppy with IDE firmware now that SATA is becoming the standard. I'm building the iso's with mkisofs then burning.
09:41.01azeemphorce1: please ask the channel, not people
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09:41.11Cheef-Danielproblem is: incoming spammails gets delivered into the qurantine-dir and into the usermaildir (spam-dir). But I want them only in the maildir and not in the quarantine dir too. Do you know where to search for this?
09:41.51CoolColdazeem: well, dev package zlib1g-dev contains zlib.h, this is what i name "sources"
09:41.59azeemthat's a header
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09:44.48enoufphorce1: yeah, i agree, sloppy and crappy .. you could try various SATA/IDE settings in BIOS, (perhaps using AHCI) depending upon Chipset and Controllers (and kernel version + kernel modules), and/or look into playing with the IOSCEHED choices ..
09:45.37enoufphorce1: ATAPI messes were never truly resolved yet either .. and now they're also propogating into SATA drives, as to be expected
09:45.58CoolColdazeem: okay, i see, symlink is in dev package...but how applications can find lib when dev-package is not installed? they are compiled in some special way?
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09:46.31CoolColdis not c/c++ programmer at all
09:47.21azeemCoolCold: the dynamic linker finds it for them
09:47.49phorce1enouf: I'm looking at building a new machine soon. I suppose I'll go mostly SATA at that time. Manufacturers have removed one IDE header from current MB's. I need to but a SATA DVD burner and test simultaneous read/burn with that. I'm getting ready to upgrade my lenny to 2.6.24. Maybe I'll compile a new kernel when I do and have a look at the module options.
09:48.04azeemand the dynamic linker is looking for libtbbmalloc.so.2 anyway, because that is what's getting encoded into binaries
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09:48.13phorce1s/but a SATA/buy a SATA/
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09:50.16enoufphorce1: sure .. ok
09:50.17Cheef-Danieldo you need more informations on this?
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09:50.40solid_liqanyone ever seen an NFS mounted share only show question marks for permissions, owner, filesize, etc?
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09:51.26enoufphorce1: s/IOSCEHED choices/IOSCHED choices  as in; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/Documentation/block/switching-sched.txt
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09:52.27enoufsolid_liq: haven't seen it personally, but heard of it, mostly with samba involved, IIRC
09:52.40solid_liqno samba running
09:52.49enoufsolid_liq: IOW, iocharset= and codepage= mount options
09:52.59solid_liqI unmounted, remounted, still same
09:53.11solid_liqI restarted nfs kernel server, and remounted, still same
09:53.21enoufsolid_liq: UTF-8 on one, ISO-8859-1 on the other"?
09:53.25fx|RabBit!alias
09:53.25dpkgBash alias? Do 'help alias' and read 'man bash', also see your ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc for examples of aliases.
09:53.29solid_liqbut the directory where I most recently accessed a file doesn't have this problem
09:53.49solid_liqenouf, no, it just suddenly started doing this in the last hour or two
09:54.16enoufyikes, which FStypes on the partitions?
09:54.29enoufsolid_liq: might want to think about a fsck
09:54.33solid_liqxfs
09:54.42solid_liqno, when I ssh in, everything is fine
09:55.04solid_liqit's just over the NFS link where there's the problem somehow
09:55.05enoufi have no idea what you're talking about then
09:55.37enoufman exportfs ?
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09:56.21Blackholdhello
09:56.28Blackholdanyone knows a program to make network diagrams?
09:56.38BlackholdI found netmapr but could not install it :(
09:56.51enouf$ man -k nfs  ?
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09:57.37solid_liq?--------- ? ? ? ?                ? /home/mike/FinishedDLs/old/testfile
09:57.48solid_liqis what I see when I do an ls on most dirs
09:57.56azeemfile system corruption
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09:58.05solid_liqbut
09:58.14solid_liqif I ls it from that machine itself
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09:58.23azeemoh, didn't read scrollback
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09:58.30ShredZAny vrml iceweasel plugin package available in lenny/sid ?
09:58.30mquinsolid_liq: can you actually read the files over NFS?
09:58.31enoufsolid_liq: i've seen similar once when i mounted a SBM floppy  ;-)
09:58.33solid_liq-rw-rw-r--+ 1 root root 0 2008-04-07 02:56 ../old/testfile
09:58.49martianixoramphi: this is what I got when I tried with speed=1 http://phpfi.com/307996 provided that when I tried exactly the same with -dummy it didn't give any errors
09:59.03solid_liqmquin, not the ones with the ?'s, but the ones which were recently accessed and don't have the ?'s I can read just fine
09:59.29honkytonk_I'm looking at changing timezones and after reading the manual and linux wikis I understand that I simple update the symlink to /usr/share/zoneinfo BUT some how-to's are taling about /etc/timezone and some of /etc/localtime. Which one does what? Do I need both or just one? Is one depreciated??
09:59.35enoufsolid_liq: size of each file reported was like 9TB too O_o .. not to mention many non-existant files listed with all sorts of funky DOS exe chars
09:59.50solid_liqenouf, heh
10:00.00solid_liqenouf, well I know the files are okay
10:00.04mquinsolid_liq: sounds like your NFS mount has failed - communications / firewall problem maybe?
10:00.10mquintry remounting it
10:00.25solid_liqno firewall, I remounted it, restarted nfs and then remounted it, and still there
10:00.42enoufsolid_liq: are you sure what you are seeing as "ok" is not cached or in RAM only?
10:00.43GuerinNFS and firewall is the lose
10:00.57solid_liqbut I can play high def video over that same nfs mount (the files which were most recently accessed and show up normally)
10:00.57enoufwell
10:01.06solid_liqit's high def, too big to cache
10:01.10martianixoramphi: and now with -dummy and speed=1 it gave me same error as the first time, this is really confusing, isn't it?
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10:02.26solid_liqand I can read files in that directory that I didn't access before
10:02.34solid_liqit seems like the problem is directory specific
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10:02.54amphimartianixor: odd indeed
10:03.15martianixoramphi: buffer underrun at speed=1 !! this is very strange
10:03.24enoufsolid_liq: you realize that + in -rw-rw-r--+ 1 root root 0 2008-04-07 02:56 ../old/testfile refers to some Security control ?(like SELinux)
10:03.26martianixoramphi: besides this drive isn't that old
10:03.29amphimartianixor: dma is presumably enabled?
10:03.47solid_liqenouf, not selinux, it's an acl
10:03.56fx|RabBithumm...
10:03.57enoufsolid_liq: well, sure, ok
10:04.09enoufsolid_liq: it could very well have been selinux related
10:04.35solid_liqenouf, I set it a month or two ago to append a specific acl setting automatically to all files created in that tree
10:05.01solid_liqbasically, a permission of the account the nfs mount squashes client to
10:05.09martianixoramphi: I've just check using hdparm, and using_dma = 1 (on)
10:05.13solid_liq*clients
10:05.19martianixors/check/checked/
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10:05.51enoufgrep -i acl ./fs/Kconfig
10:06.04amphimartianixor: I'm out of ideas - a google revealed that you are not alone
10:06.33pappanzhello. i get this error with the recyclebin applet: Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session. what can it be? i've got lenny+xfce
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10:08.47martianixoramphi: yup, I'm not
10:09.23martianixoramphi: that's why I'm asking everyone about their settings and setup, may be eventually I'll figure out what's wrong and help the wodim guys
10:10.46CoolColdazeem: thanks a lot
10:11.21honkytonk_Anyone know the difference between /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime???
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10:12.16martianixoramphi: oh I've just notice that hdparm actually spitted something out !! HDIO_GETGEO failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device
10:12.16rahsputinI have laptop from where i cannot upgrade to a 2.6 kernel ( using ) sarge and want to upgrade to etch with 2.6 )  could it be because i have a ext2 fs ?
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10:13.32pappanzis there a way to have a link to the bin on the desktop and to make it similar to gnome? i don't want to press f5 everytime i need to update the desktop...
10:13.51pappanzi am talking about xfce
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10:14.24enoufpappanz: i can only guess, i don't use any DE really, nor any recyclebin .. but "ps aux | grep dbus" might show you somthing
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10:15.04enoufpappanz: /cs list #*xfce*
10:15.36enoufpappanz: also try ##linux
10:16.21emdetehi. i have two problems recently: first is my evince (2.20.2-1+b1 on unstable) seems to be unable to find something (Ctrl-F...), it searches an replies that the word couldn't be found.
10:16.53enoufhonkytonk_: man zdump ; $ ls -l /usr/share/zoneinfo/localtime
10:16.56pappanzenouf: thankyou
10:17.07Guerinemdete: BTS
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10:17.27emdetesecond is with rxvt. the original allows to activate hot-keys to change fonts on the fly (enabled in feature.h). the comment says, this is obsolete. what is the right method now?
10:17.56debianCyorxamp: I can't be done yet?
10:19.01xpointhttp://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1504 is this the latest kernel fix with secureity updates ?
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10:20.00emdeteGuerin: what do you mean - is there a bug report already or should i file one? i didn't find any
10:20.13Guerinif there isn't one, file one
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10:20.29honkytonk_enouf: Thanks, but it still doesn't tell me if I need both? I understand that I need the /etc/localtime link but why do I need the /etc/timezone file?
10:20.49enoufhonkytonk_: also "/etc/localtime" is a binary file
10:20.58emdeteGuerin: i can't believe that if this is a general problem nobody noticed. so i assume it's something with my system
10:21.11enoufer, some sort of "application/octet-stream"
10:21.24honkytonk_enouf: Yes, I know and etc/timezone is just a text entry. Why do I need the timezone file? :D
10:21.29Guerinemdete: with unstable, it would be something which came to light today, and you're the first person to notice
10:21.33enoufhonkytonk_: /etc/timezone is human readable ;-)
10:21.33debianCyorxamp: You said something about debian never geting done
10:21.46emdeteGuerin: i noticed that weeks ago
10:21.47Cyorxampdebian: No I didn't
10:22.04nix_chix0renouf, you get bommed with snow like us
10:22.04nix_chix0r?
10:22.08enoufhonkytonk_: maybe when you run date, it greps it, i don't know
10:22.12honkytonk_enouf: True, maybe its just that. I just got a little confused. :)
10:22.32honkytonk_enouf: Goodp  point...
10:22.33enoufnix_chix0r: nah, one warm day, one cold
10:22.37Guerinemdete: ok, then it might be your system.
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10:22.56nix_chix0rheh, it was 65 on saturday then we got a blizzard
10:22.57_abc_hi all
10:23.24_abc_i have a number of problems with ndiswrapper and glibc on debian 4.0 derived systems
10:23.31_abc_is this the place to ask?
10:23.37emdeteanybody any hint around rxvt?
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10:23.51_abc_i know about ndiswrapper politics. sorry about that.
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10:24.39_abc_specifically has anyone seen most str* functions fail with sigsegv ?! (strtok, strstr etc) ?
10:24.45Guerin_abc_: not really
10:25.20_abc_hm. i have implemented strtok and strstr from scratch to test my prog and they work. what gives ?!
10:25.20enoufhonkytonk_: or more likely, /etc/timezone is like for DE apps so they can display Country/City for ya ;-)
10:25.37debianCyorxamp: OK, I didnt actualy read all of it
10:25.42enoufhonkytonk_: in their little systme tray applet thingies ;-)
10:26.00honkytonk_enouf: Sounds reasonable. I just noticed that ntpdate works without the timezone file :)
10:26.07_abc_really, what could cause this c**p? I just do #include <string.h> and use strtok as usual and it sigsegvs.
10:26.24_abc_could we compare library checksums please?
10:26.32enoufhonkytonk_: when i right-click the clock, then Show Timezone > .. i see that text ;-)
10:26.52mquinhonkytonk_: the timezone is just used for display - internally the system clock uses UTC, regardless of where on the planet you are
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10:27.18honkytonk_enouf: Probable works as you said. Just to make it easy for us silly humans :)
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10:29.02ZoupHi , im looking for a way to tell apt-get to gather a package and all package that package need , download only , no matter if they are actually installed before or not
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10:29.32jimZoup: so you want a mirror
10:30.19Zoupjim: No , i had a mirror , i want to say , XXX zsh <targetdir> , and have zsh and all package that zsh need there
10:30.41jimyou could write it
10:31.04Zoupjim: so you mean there is nothing to do this right now ?
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10:31.22jimand apt-get is not designed that way
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10:31.46Zoupjim: i see , thanks :)
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10:32.04jimwhat is this for?
10:32.22_abc_could someone please take this and test it ?! it's only 270 bytes: http://www.pastebin.ca/975167
10:32.22Zoupjim: i want a custom repository on Netinstall cd to contain my own packages
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10:33.06Zoupjim: a combination of testing and stable packages + some locals
10:33.27jimcombination is not recommended
10:33.32jimit won't work
10:33.35Tuskerheya guys... I have /lib/libc6.so pointing to "libc-2.4.so" (ie, via symlink)... how to a change the symlink to point to libc-2.3.6.so, without breaking every shared library out there ?
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10:33.45aleksanteriZoup, either use stable or testing, it will otherwise break
10:33.52NIDShelpis it possible to dual boot two installations of debian?
10:33.54ZoupHow stable is testing ?
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10:34.14Ssam`how on earth do u get icons on your desktop?
10:34.21Ssam`or get a desktop manager to work
10:34.31aleksanteriSsam`, sudo apt-get install kde/gnome
10:34.39jimSsam`: pay it minimum wage and whip it a little
10:34.41Ssam`ummm i have fluxbox
10:34.42Ssam`:)
10:34.54aleksanteriah right, lol
10:34.55Ssam`lmao jim
10:35.01Zoupjim: ok , consider this as testing + locals , how can i import testing packages that locals need into repository ?
10:35.02aleksanterii dunno about fluxbox
10:35.26Ssam`i started linux a week ago and  yesterday after like 3 days of trying i installed Xorg and fluxbox with a lott on help
10:35.27Ssam`lol
10:35.33jimthere is wget, there are lots of scripting languages
10:35.40Ssam`now i cant get icons on my desktop
10:35.44Zoupjim: i thought => installing new debian by netinstall over qemu , aptitute all of my packages , get Archive of apt
10:36.01NIDShelphello :)
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10:36.18Ssam`well how do i get icons on my desktop :(
10:36.41jimwhat do these icons represent
10:36.58Ssam`i dont noe
10:37.02Ssam`i catn CD Desktop
10:37.05Ssam`there isnt a desktop
10:37.09Ssam`cant*
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10:37.37jimso you want icons and it has something to do with a dir called Desktop
10:37.51jimwhat would the icons do?
10:38.36Ssam`i guess
10:38.46Ssam`like you know desktop
10:38.52Ssam`i cant seem to download anything on my desktop
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10:39.08jimwhat things do you download?
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10:39.13Ssam`i have Xfe file manager
10:39.18jimfiles?
10:39.29aleksanterijim, no you download FIFO pipes
10:39.43jimso are you saying these icons represent files?
10:40.00Ssam`yes
10:40.11Ssam`like whne u install ubuntu you have icons on your desktop
10:40.15Ssam`shortcuts
10:40.20Ssam`when*
10:41.25Zoupwhere does apt-get saves files with download only flag (-d) ?
10:41.27jimhow did you get this Xfe
10:41.40jimsame place as without
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10:42.16Ssam`aptitude install xfe
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10:42.34Ssam`its a file manager i went to fluxbox documentation it said xfe should work fine
10:42.39SlimeyPeteZoup: /var/cache/apt/archives I think?
10:42.58ZoupSlimeyPete: its all empty
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10:43.15SlimeyPetehrm, maybe not then
10:44.06Zoupcan someone please take a look at this ? : http://phpfi.com/308006
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10:46.32Ssam`what does a desktop manager do?
10:46.53Davieymanages the desktop IIRC
10:46.58evo_:)
10:47.07Daviey<-- helpful
10:47.43Ssam`but how do i get the desktop folder?
10:47.54Ssam`i want programme shortcuts on there
10:47.55Zharfwhat's a folder?
10:48.19DavieyIt's a samba exported directory, mounted on a windows machine
10:48.30Zharfah!
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10:48.51amphiI thought 'folder' was an apple-ism
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10:50.18Ssam`ummm pardon?
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10:50.59amphiSsam`: you use gnome?
10:51.57Ssam`Fluxbox
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10:52.05Ssam`and hey again amphi
10:53.29_abc_so is anyone here using ndiswrapper wlan with debian >= 2.6.24 ?
10:53.46_abc_there is some strangeness and I'd like to compare notes
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10:54.29Siliciumhow i can create a script running after installing debian (on the fresh system)
10:54.37Siliciumautomated
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10:55.52Lewoco_!bots
10:55.52dpkgAll your bots are belong to us, or #debian-bots, or dpkg, apt, ravenbird, badgers, piggy, debhelper.  Are we not men?  If you prick us, do we not bleed?  Err... oil anyway.
10:55.52Tuskerhey guys, is there a safe way to redirect the symlink of /lib/libc6.so without breaking all shared libraries ?
10:55.52_abc_?
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10:58.55icesword!anyone
10:58.55dpkgPlease do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>
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10:59.22real0nehow can i login into irc anonyme (with Tor)?
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11:00.30_abc_real0ne, use the info on freenode.org
11:01.28bizusing grub, is there a way to override the root vfs mount options as written in fstab? there is the kernel parameter rootflags=, but its just appended to the list of options listed in fstab?!
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11:06.05bkIM a little bit confused about the day numbers in cron.. can anybody enlighten me?
11:06.20dustybinim going to cancel my ISP soon and i require a MAC code, could i find out what my MAC code is through my ADSL router?
11:06.57bkdustybin: mac code? you mean mac address?
11:07.04dustybinyes
11:07.12dustybinthe called it 'mac code..'
11:07.14dustybinthey
11:07.22bkyou want to find the mac address of the adsl router?
11:07.23Davieymigration something code
11:07.54DavieyMigration Access Code
11:08.06iceswordip addr
11:08.15dustybinnkuttler: no not mac address, when you cancel a UK ISP, and you swap for another ISP, they require a 'MAC CODE'
11:08.15iceswordor ifconfig,not sure
11:08.16bkdo you know the local ip address of the adsl router? you could do a "arp -a" but that will probbaly only give you teh mac address of the local interface. adsl routers are so different, its hard to say how you should do it
11:08.23dustybinmaybe its nothing to do with MAC addresses, im not sure
11:08.44DavieyMAC code has nothing to do with MAC address
11:08.52dustybinaye ok
11:09.06Davieydustybin: you need to contact your isp
11:09.24dustybin# MAC Is abbreviation for Migration Access Code and is 17-18 digit alphanumeric code.
11:09.28mquindustybin: the MAC code is a BT thing, nothing to do with your equipment - you'll need to get it via your ISP
11:09.35dustybinaye ok
11:09.42dustybinthanks
11:09.49Daviey( dustybin, note that many consider a mac request as request for termination - so if you change your mind, must tell them)
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11:10.05dustybinyep ok
11:10.40dustybinthe local exchange supports LLU so im going to change my service
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11:14.06Alarmhello, could someone please remind my how to avoid of installing a specific package with apt-get ? to hold it back. installing everything else except of the one i want
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11:16.04mquinAlarm: "aptitude hold <package>"
11:16.28Alarmit was another command , something with an "|" inside if i remember well
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11:19.26rocketmagnethi, does someone know if gkrellm is usable with the nvidia drivers and debian ?
11:19.34rocketmagneti get "cannot open display"
11:20.06rocketmagnetor is there a better tool for debian to show system status in the x11 background ?
11:22.02LeGreffi3Rrocketmagnet> conky is pretty popular
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11:24.59rocketmagnetLeGreffi3R: i'm currently trying it, but it looks like it can't work with double buffers on my geforce =(
11:26.06LeGreffi3Rrocketmagnet> with nv or nvidia driver?
11:26.35rocketmagnetnvidia
11:27.55rocketmagnetLeGreffi3R: also when i use own window, i get "failed to set up double buffer"
11:28.19_abc_so is anyone here using ndiswrapper wlan with debian >= 2.6.24 ? i'd like to compare notes on brokenness on laptop with powerstep
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11:32.46LeGreffi3Rrocketmagnet> try to disable it...
11:33.28LeGreffi3Rrocketmagnet> check your Xorg log to see wether he gets the double buffering
11:34.33real0nehow can i make the shell english?
11:36.06rocketmagneti think this is the $LANG environment variable
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11:37.46bizI've got a wrong mount option in addition to errors=remount-ro in /etc/fstab for my rootfs. Booting with init=/bin/sh works, however my root filesystem is mounted ro due to the wrong option in fstab. mount -o remount,rw / does not work due to the error in fstab, but its readonly. Any ideas? addind -s to mount didn't help
11:37.56idqhi! how do i start debian in CLI mode ?
11:38.05idqi don't want to boot in GUI mode
11:38.18muh2000:( xorg-video-geode does not work. screen goes black :( need help
11:38.41Kamping_Kaiseridq, boot single user, or customise the runlevel/s
11:38.50Kamping_Kaisermuh2000, "doesnt work"?
11:39.15muh2000Kamping_Kaiser: yes does not work.
11:39.16bizidq: boot with '<name of your kernel image> 2', eg. at the grub boot prompt 'debian 2' or 'linux 2' (dunno how the default label is in debian)
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11:39.51Kamping_Kaiseror select 'single user' at grub ...
11:39.53muh2000working vga driver => you will see something on the monitor.  not working vga driver => black screen :)  thus not working.
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11:43.01muh2000the geode driver package is brand new, but does not display anything :(
11:43.24muh2000(sid)
11:44.11idq<PROTECTED>
11:44.56aleksanteriidq, remove kdm/gdm
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11:49.40zyx386hi
11:50.00iceswordhi
11:50.04zyx386how can miniz xchat in notification area ?
11:50.29iceswordos,is debian?
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11:51.00iceswordzyx386, search this plugin,xtray
11:51.11zyx386ok
11:51.12iceswordnot sure about the name
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11:52.27idqaleksanteri> from where?
11:52.38iceswordzyx386, maybe it is xtray.dll
11:52.57zyx386i use debian
11:53.02zyx386.ddl is windows apli
11:53.19real0nehow can i change dhell language
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11:54.16real0nehow can i change hell language
11:54.21real0nehow can i change shell language
11:54.23real0ne:d
11:54.31iceswordwhat is hell languauge
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11:55.07real0nei mean shell
11:55.13real0nekonsole
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11:55.30mofo123anyone here could help me code a really simple spider that would get some specific text from various webpages?
11:55.34icesword!locale
11:55.34dpkglocale is probably set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers)
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11:56.01rocketmagnethow can i run 32bit applications with my 64bit debian ?
11:56.09rocketmagnetso i can install 32bit firefox to use flash
11:56.38maligoryou can run 32bit flash in 64bit iceweasel
11:56.44maligorwith nspluginwrapper
11:56.45iceswordreal0ne, what languauge
11:56.51amphimofo123: perl's libwww may be of use
11:56.58real0neicesword english
11:57.15mofo123amphi: is there some already programmed software?
11:57.20iceswordyaaa,defailt one is english,right
11:57.24icesworddefault
11:57.28rocketmagnetmaligor: what's the package name for the pluginwrapper ?
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11:57.41maligorI already said it
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11:57.51real0neicesword my language is french and i want to make it english
11:57.51maligormight only be in unstable, not sure
11:57.54rocketmagnetapt-cache search nspluginwrapper shows me nothing
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11:58.30iceswordreal0ne, sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales?
11:59.35real0neicesword no
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12:00.21iceswordreal0ne, then what is it
12:00.29real0nenothing
12:00.30real0nethanks
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12:02.44rocketmagnetshort question about the apt-get tool: when i get a screen telling me i can't install because of dependencies he can't resolve (he tells me: packagename should not be installed)
12:02.44prhgit a problem with a debian/sid box installed as a server. was fine until Friday - since then booting takes a long time - pressing enter repeatedly on the console speeds things up - it's like each line drawn on the console waits for a return ( this all before a login prompt)
12:03.00prhand sudo bash takes about thirty seconds
12:03.03prhandy ideas?
12:03.21rocketmagnetwould it hurt my system if i install them ?
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12:03.59enouf!nspluginwrapper
12:03.59dpkghmm... nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <backports.org> for etch packages.
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12:04.50DexterFhi
12:05.12|bb7|hi, i found somthing like this in a auth.log: "^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@". what does that mean?
12:05.17iceswordlol
12:05.22enoufrocketmagnet: so /msg dpkg backports.org (for etch) . or ensure contrib is in your sources.list for lenny
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12:06.11DexterFkeyboard issue on etch r3: locally in terminals @ and | don't work. german keyboard so I have to generate them with AltGr. remotely with VNC and ssh all is fine. xorg.conf thing?
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12:06.55enoufDexterF: terminal, as in Console/tty? or xterm?
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12:07.16enouf!keymap
12:07.16dpkgTo change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data".  To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x".  If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment).
12:07.18DexterFenouf: xterm, xfce-terminal and such
12:07.32cromohi. is there a way  to remove a package from installed packages list, but not remove the package itself? i.e. I want to leave the files in place but remove the information from dpkg database. I know this is not a  good thing to do, but I have such a  need
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12:08.05enoufDexterF: locale issue, (and/or) xmodmap or setxkbmap issue  - afaict
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12:08.34DexterFenouf: any idea how to narrow it down?
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12:09.19Ssam`okay how do check if my soundcard is intalled
12:09.25boltany howtos on setting up one-time passwords on ssh? I want to print out a list of one-time passwords and enter them in addition to, or instead of, my regular password.
12:09.27enoufDexterF: well, pastebin output of 'locale' and cat /etc/environment
12:09.49amphiSsam`: does lsmod | grep '^snd' show anything?
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12:10.29|bb7|hi, i found somthing like this in a auth.log: "^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@". what does that mean?
12:10.36enoufcromo: maybe remove it and use equivs
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12:11.16DexterFenouf: http://pastebin.ca/975235
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12:12.20enoufugh, likely another UTF-8 issue .. hrm
12:12.27rocketmagnetenouf: after installing the nspluginwrapper package, how can i setup iceweasle to use it
12:12.32enoufDexterF: /etc/default/locale say?
12:12.42zyx386how can i install virtualbox on debian etch?
12:12.50enoufrocketmagnet: no idea, i don't use that stuff
12:13.07DexterFzyx386: the have a deb line, iirc. add and apt.
12:13.28DexterFenouf: LANG="de_DE.UTF-8"
12:13.47Ssam`hold on amphi
12:14.00enoufDexterF: and doing a drxx and selecting correct kbd and layout?
12:14.00DexterFenouf: the locale output shows no LC_ALL entry and the LANG entry has no  "" around it - that ok?
12:14.16amphiclings to the edge of the precipice
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12:14.24DexterFenouf: drxx...?
12:14.25DexterFah!
12:14.27DexterFok :)
12:14.39zyx386DexterF, can't install with apt.get install virtualbox
12:14.59DexterFzyx386: how aobut apt-get? or aptitude, for that matter...
12:15.00Ssam`nope it dosent
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12:15.17Ssam`lol i have to download the volume control button dont i?
12:15.32amphiSsam`: try running alsaconf as root
12:16.09enoufDexterF: export LC_ALL="de_DE.UTF-8" if you want to test it out for one session/xterm  .. but mine isn't set either, but i'm using iso-something ;-) 8859-1 ?
12:16.24rocketmagnet3~
12:16.30Ssam`command not found
12:16.36Ssam`type the first one again
12:16.47Ssam`lsmod | grep '^snd
12:16.51Ssam`this?
12:16.54enoufDexterF: i also have a LANGUAGE= variable , but that might be from old/staleness
12:17.10Ssam`ahhh
12:17.12DexterFenouf:  Option          "XkbOptions"    "altwin:meta_win" <- might be the culrpit, don't have that on my other etch box
12:17.14Ssam`now it does
12:17.23rocketmagnet3~3~
12:17.59amphiSsam`: does alsamixer work?
12:18.08enoufDexterF: ok, now i'm lost ;-) but "setxkbmap de" should set the layout. .. not sure - man setxkbmap
12:18.43Ssam`well it shows something
12:18.53Ssam`not alsamixser
12:19.03enoufSsam`: /msg dpkg which driver
12:19.03Ssam`lsmod | grep '^snd`
12:19.13real0nemy konsole is french and i want to make it english
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12:19.23cy_`hello
12:19.25Ssam`lsmod | grep '^snd'
12:19.27cy_`with what version did the function "imageantialias" get into php5-gd? i'm running debian etch but it doesnot seem to have the function.. anyone else ever heard about this issue/situation?
12:19.30Ssam`this showed a bunch of stuff
12:19.35Ssam`should i use pastebin?
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12:19.40real0nemy konsole is french and i want to make it english
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12:19.45amphiSsam`: what happens if you try to run alsamixer?
12:19.57Ssam`ill tell you after i download it
12:19.59Ssam`hold on
12:19.59zyx386how can add vboxusers to my user group?
12:20.01Ssam`sorry dude
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12:20.22amphiSsam`: the 'bunch of stuff' means the kernel has loaded drivers for your card
12:20.34Ssam`oh
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12:20.40Ssam`okay thanks
12:20.44amphiSsam`: alsa-utils I think it is
12:20.44Ssam`i figured it should work
12:20.46enoufreal0ne: just konsole? or entire system?
12:20.50Ssam`what colume control should i download
12:20.56Ssam`alsamixer says no packages of this name
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12:21.19zyx386?
12:21.44amphiSsam`: alsa-utils
12:22.14real0neenouf entire system plz
12:22.36Ssam`aight thanks man
12:22.38enoufreal0ne: dpkg-reconfigure locales
12:22.44enouf!locales
12:22.44dpkgUse `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.
12:23.07enoufSsam`: also install alsa-oss
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12:23.31Ssam`you mean alsamixergui?
12:23.32Ssam`:P
12:23.41enoufthose are really optional
12:23.56Ssam`i need a gui version man :)
12:24.03enoufyou'll need OSS wrapper for any apps like FlashCrapPoopShit that use oss
12:24.07amphiSsam`: alsa-utils will do for now; you can install whatever you like later
12:24.31Ssam`whats alsa-oss?
12:24.40enoufshow
12:24.45amphiSsam`: legacy support
12:24.50enouf!tell Ssam` -about grounding
12:25.18Ssam`thanks
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12:27.47Q^how do i boot in CLI mode with DEBIAN and not in GUI mode ?
12:28.22Haris1I have 2x SCSI disks on software raid. disk1/partition1 and disk2/partition1 are md0 (raid partition1). disk2/partition2 is an ext3 partition used for squid's cache. Has anyone experienced read/write wait time or something to delay read/write time on disks that also have non-raid partitions? The disk1 and disk2 partition1 setup is raid/mirroring
12:28.32amphi!tell Q^ -about nodm
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12:29.38sidgyckq^: edit your /etc/inittab
12:29.52br1Hey, guys .. I'm using reprepro to try to manage my own repo, but I have some snags here and there .. is there a good way of listing all the packages in my repo ? Client-side or server-side ?
12:30.14Q^sidgyck> cheers
12:30.20amphisidgyck: to do what?
12:30.28enoufreally
12:30.42enoufrunlevel 1 ? duh, that's silly
12:30.54amphirunlevel 0 FTW!!11
12:31.00enouf!halt
12:31.04enouf:-P
12:31.05amphiheh
12:31.21enoufoops, i hope i didn't break dpkg though ...
12:31.25amphiQ^: listen to the bot, it speaketh sooth
12:31.32enouf!ping
12:31.33dpkgpong
12:31.34amphi!test
12:31.34dpkgTest Failed.
12:31.42amphiit's fine ;)
12:31.52enoufdpkg: wb
12:31.52dpkgthanks, enouf.  It's good to be back.
12:31.55enouf;-)
12:31.58sidgyckforget that in debian no default runlevel for CLI - sorry.
12:32.16amphi!comfort sidgyck
12:32.16dpkgThere, there, sidgyck.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
12:32.19Haris1This is one difference I'm finding
12:32.19Q^it's ok, for me with ctrl+alt+fn , and if i want to go back to graphical mode ?
12:32.23enoufHaris1: by chance, using XFS ?
12:32.32Haris1today the disk2/partition2 is not serving as squid cache_dir
12:32.42Haris1and there hasn't been a single 'page cannot be displayed' event
12:32.52enoufQ^: alt-f7 brings you back to X
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12:33.15Haris1This! is strange!
12:33.45enoufQ^: your ttys are on F1-F6, and to leave X you need the CTRL-ALT .. to switch ttys (or return to X), you only need ALT
12:34.13Q^enouf thanks
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12:34.42rocketmagnetwhen i'm using iceweasle, where can i find the path for the plugins ?
12:34.54enoufabout:plugins ?
12:35.00rocketmagneti've found /usr/share/iceweasel, but there is no plugin dir
12:35.10enouflocate plugin ?
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12:36.53rocketmagnetoh - it's in /usr/lib/iceweasle
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12:41.11pappanzhello. is there a complete list of the packages installed by debian installer when i choose desktop=xfce?
12:41.19Agiofwsthe package that includes import foo.jpg ?
12:41.24Agiofwsimagemagic ?
12:41.31Agiofwsconvert ?
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12:43.23amphiimagemagick
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12:45.32^shark_hi guys i have "aptitude purge exim4" but it still wont be removed, any ideas?
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12:46.05^shark_i want to remove exim4
12:46.14deufrai^shark_: apt-get remove --purge exim4, maybe ?
12:46.21sidgyckrocketmagnet: find / | grep libflashplayer.xpt
12:46.31suppamanweird-o I've burned a xfce debian live .iso and at boot the bootloader complaints about not having a "linux" image
12:47.17rocketmagnetsidgyck: it's not on my system
12:47.22stew^shark_: what are you going to replace exim with?
12:48.05rocketmagnet3~3~
12:48.21deufraiis still looking for infos about trimming down logwatch's iptables stats
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12:48.50Haris1deufrai: maybe decrease the log level?
12:48.57Haris1deufrai: #iptables
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12:49.12deufraiHaris1: other apps rely on that log level, wich is set to info, btw
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12:51.26RichiHa quick and easy way to find all softlinks on a system is?
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12:52.26^shark_stew: i meant to say -- looks like when i remove exim4 i have to replace it right away with postfix, because it still refused to go after "apt-get remove --purge exim4", am i right?
12:52.36blubberdiblubRichiH: find / -type l
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12:53.38stew^shark_: if you plan on replacing it with postfix, just run "aptitude install postfix" or "apt-get install postfix"
12:54.04^shark_stew: thanks man
12:54.09^shark_;)
12:54.16private_metahi. i'm trying to get file transfers with irssi to work, but i think my server blocks it. can someone tell me how to set debian up so i can get dcc connection through it?
12:54.48Funtprivate_meta are you behind nat?
12:55.07Funtor just firewall, that blocks everything
12:55.15private_metaFunt: no, it's a server in a data centre, public IP
12:55.46private_metawell, i don't know how much it blocks, i'm kindofa newb, i don't know much about iptables
12:55.49Funtso, it has fixed "real" ip, right?
12:55.54private_metazes
12:55.56private_meta*yes
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12:56.40Funtyou need to configure irssi to use port for dcc that is not blocked by servers firewall
12:57.06Funtor you can ask server admin to open some ports for you
12:57.23amphi'funt', heh
12:57.26private_metaheh... i would be the server admin >_?
12:57.30private_meta>_<
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12:57.38RichiHblubberdiblub: ta
12:57.39Funt:D
12:57.43Funtiptables -L
12:57.47Funtshowm
12:57.56sidgyckrocketmagnet: ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
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12:58.44private_metaFunt: Chain INPUT, FORWARD, OUTPUT
12:58.55Funtnothing there?
12:58.55private_metaFunt: all three on accept
12:59.08private_metatarget: propt, opt, source
12:59.10Funtthen it's probably blocked by firewall
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12:59.39Funtso ..
12:59.52Funtor you can ask FIREWALL admin to open some ports for you
13:00.17private_metathere is no other admin *hides*
13:00.55Funtthen it's not a datacenter
13:00.58Funt^^
13:01.23private_metai've got a rootserver there
13:01.37private_metawell, virtual rootserver
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13:02.54Funtthere must be a firewall
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13:03.35zyx386hi i becomm this error on virtualbox boot?
13:03.38zyx386http://pastebin.com/m6396664d
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13:04.08Funtzyx386 did you "modprobe vboxdrv" ?
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13:04.22zyx386no
13:04.37Funtheh.
13:04.42Funtread the error yourself
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13:05.40zyx386vboxdrv not found!
13:05.51Funtread it again
13:05.51zyx386FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found.
13:05.54kaluvaI filed a bugreport against a package, saying the package had incorrect debtags. The maintainer responded the package did not deliver any tags at all. Now where *do* those tags come from?
13:05.57Funt!
13:06.09riohi, i am trying to set up both ipv4 and ipv6 networking on one interface, but i am getting an error message: http://rafb.net/p/Re4KBm39.html
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13:07.06zyx386Funt, i read it und i search for virtualbox-ose-modules  but is not for etch
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13:08.11Funtzyx386 then go for etch, or compile modules yourself against your kernel
13:08.24zyx386hyow?
13:08.30zyx386*how
13:08.38fastaIs there a link to a file F, such that when F is deleted and then another file F' is also named F that the link to F is still valid? (but now points to F'?)
13:09.19fastaBy "link" I mean something like e.g. a "hard link" or a "symbolic link".
13:09.56helofasta: symbolic link... ln -s F F'
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13:10.16heloerr... ln -s F' F
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13:10.18fastahelo: never mind, the file F' was not created.
13:10.19private_metaFunt: may i query you (don't want to say that publicly)
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13:11.10Funtyeah, sure
13:11.29kaluvario: http://marc.info/?l=cipe&m=95004671814116&w=2
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13:12.18Haris1ok, seems like a bad response from SCSI hard drives
13:12.30Haris1that's causing squid to faulter, so far
13:12.49Romikhi, I'm remove section Module in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but modules always loaded, why? and how can I remode all modules in X11 (Debian Lenny)
13:13.17riokaluva: thats not really helping :/
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13:15.13riohm, this also happens if ifdown&&ifup without the inet6-part
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13:15.55zyx386what is best ftp client on debian?
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13:16.14DirkGently^ftp
13:16.26zyx386ja
13:16.28stewzyx386: define best
13:16.38zyx386filezilla?
13:16.53DirkGentlylikes filezilla
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13:17.12amphi!ftp must die
13:17.12dpkgFTP MUST DIE!  http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie
13:17.23DirkGentlysftp
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13:18.26zyx386is filezilla not API
13:18.29zyx386on debian
13:18.44Funtlftp
13:18.47zyx386aptitude install filezilla not found
13:18.53EulexAPI?
13:19.32Eulexzyx386, are you running lenny? etch and sid have it, but not lenny.
13:19.51zyx386Etch
13:20.07Eulexfilezilla is in etch
13:20.14abrotman!info filezilla etch
13:20.15zyx386who?
13:20.19dpkgfilezilla: (Port of the famous Win32 graphical FTP client), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.0~beta2-3 (etch), Packaged size: 677 kB, Installed size: 1704 kB
13:20.46zyx386yes i know but i can't install it with aptitude
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13:20.49Eulexzyx386, in this case the package name happened to be the same as the name of the application. that's not always true
13:20.54Eulex!tell zyx386 about search
13:21.04stewzyx386: show us the output of 'apt-cache policy' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
13:21.05Eulexzyx386, can you show us your sources.list?
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13:22.23suppamanis there a tool to check dos table partition ?
13:22.28zyx386stew, http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/162314/
13:22.55suppamanI've used a Benq original disk to restore original xp system on a notebook and I had already installed debian
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13:23.09suppamannow cfdisk and fdisk says "cannot seek /dev/hda"
13:23.16suppamanI'm using a live disk
13:24.20stewzyx386: you need to point at a main mirror.  right now you are only pointing at security.d.o which is only a partial repository, /msg dpkg sources.list
13:24.48zyx386???
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13:25.05DirkGentlysuppaman: what disk? ata or sata?
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13:25.22DirkGentlysata is /dev/sda
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13:25.45zyx386who is the source list
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13:25.52kaluvario: which means your problem doesn't even connect to ip6. check the routes you already have defined
13:26.07suppamanDirkGently: ata
13:26.36stewzyx386: man sources.list
13:26.45stewdpkg: tell zyx386 about sources.list
13:26.48suppamanDirkGently: I wouldn't have tried to see hda's partitions otherwise
13:27.00DirkGentlysuppaman: hmmm... actually my other Linux PC with ata is using sda
13:27.39DirkGentlyhave you tried /dev/sda?
13:27.41suppamansda is like old scsi emulation
13:27.50abrotmanno it's not
13:27.56rgrHi. After a couple of days messing with sound I'm at my wits end. I have sound "generally working" but am still unable to get all sources simultaneously. Does anyone here have all sources playing together using only ALSA? Did you get system sounds working too without having to install pulseaudio? If you did install pulseaudio does your flash sound work?
13:28.03suppamanabrotman: sry, it _looks_ like
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13:28.16abrotmansuppaman: everything is moving sdX
13:28.19zyx386that is my source list
13:28.21zyx386http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/162349/
13:28.22suppamanDirkGently: I didn't try as I can see in dmesg it's been recognized as hda
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13:28.28kaluvargr: I assume you are using ALSA drivers?
13:28.53azeemzyx386: and it's wrong, as stew explained
13:28.55abrotmansuppaman: anything that is using libata and is ATA will use sdX .. and any usb/firewire/scsi/SAS will use sdX  also
13:28.59rgrkaluva: yes.
13:29.02abrotmanIIRC anyways
13:29.09suppamanabrotman: ok but this doesn't apply here
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13:29.17suppamanthe point is how can I check/fix a partition table
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13:29.35amphisuppaman: sfdisk is quite powerful
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13:30.02smaceHello. I have just installed debian and it does not look for foreign repositories. I need to add them to /etc/apt/sources.list but I do not know what should I add there. I'm using Etch Stable.
13:30.13chrixis partman installed by default?
13:30.14zyx386azeem, what you say giv me nothing.
13:30.20chopssmace: "Foreign" repositories?
13:30.28smacechops: from the internet.
13:30.42chops!tell smace about sources.list
13:31.01kaluvargr: Try something like this as your .asoundrc: http://rafb.net/p/x4PV4v73.html
13:31.03suppamanamphi: mm it's not on elive, debian live isn't starting
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13:31.11abrotman!tell smace about mirrors
13:31.13suppamanamphi: do you know a live disk that has it for sure?
13:31.41zyx386is my source list OK?
13:31.52zyx386http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/162349/
13:31.54amphisuppaman: sysresccd.org iso has it IIRC
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13:32.06amphisuppaman: the site should have a list of what's on the iso
13:32.26chopszyx386: You should have a main etch mirror as well
13:32.41azeemzyx386: no
13:32.50azeemzyx386: why are you repeating the same question?
13:32.53zyx386azeem, and what is right?
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13:33.05chops!tell zyx386 about sources.list
13:33.10azeemzyx386: dpkg /msg'd you with information about a correct sources.list
13:33.13azeemread it and apply it
13:33.39zyx386is nothing,
13:33.45azeemeh?
13:34.00zyx386yes is nothing
13:34.14azeemplease rephrase
13:34.15chops!sources.list
13:34.15dpkgThe list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
13:34.19azeemI don't understand what you mean
13:34.24suppamanamphi: I'm getting it thx
13:34.31amphisuppaman: good luck
13:34.32chopszyx386: ^^ That
13:34.51suppamanthe point is this damn Benq disk, it recovers a 2gb partition on the disk and mirror it on what I can only hope is the first primary partition
13:34.56zyx386show my source list ist ok
13:35.02suppamanI should have run it as first, then installed debian
13:35.11zyx386deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
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13:35.17azeemzyx386: it's not
13:35.21zyx386is all what this info say
13:35.38azeemzyx386: did you not read the part about "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main"=
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13:36.09zyx386i have this in myb source list
13:36.10zyx386deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
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13:36.23azeemzyx386: you're been silenced for 10 minutes
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13:36.39azeemplease *think* about what you have and what you rneed
13:36.51azeemzyx386: do some research, read documentation, and maybe "man sources.list"
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13:38.04WandererAnyone able to mount a ramdisk on Debian testing?  I get an error that it can't find an ext2 filesystem, right after I do the "mkfs.ext2 -m0 /dev/ram0"
13:38.10abrotman!tell zyx386 about dk
13:38.13suppamanamphi: 30 minutes to go
13:39.05real0neabrotman hi plz i want to have an english shell how can i plz
13:39.21abrotmanreally?
13:39.43chopsreal0ne: Set $LANG
13:39.45real0neabrotman my konsome is french and i want it english
13:39.59abrotmanreal0ne: isn't your french better than your english?
13:39.59enoufreal0ne: didn't you fix it?
13:40.01real0nedebian:/home/real0ne# Set $LANG
13:40.01real0nebash: Set: command not found
13:40.08real0neno
13:40.11azeemreal0ne: Unix is case sensitve
13:40.18chopsreal0ne: Oh, for KDE I'm not sure; I'd assume it's somewhere in the KDE configuration
13:40.18real0nei like english because the help is english
13:40.29WandererWhat version is "Testing" now ?  Sarge/Sid?
13:40.30enoufnobody suggested that you weenie
13:40.32abrotmanreal0ne: not to be mean .. but your english isn't that good
13:40.33private_metaFunt: may i query you?
13:40.35abrotmanWanderer: lenny
13:40.43chopsreal0ne: The exact command will depend on the locales you have installed; try: export LANG=en_US.UTF-8
13:40.48Wandererabrotman: thanks
13:40.58abrotmanreal0ne: i'd think that you'd have a lot of issues reading system errors and such that are in english
13:41.08chopsreal0ne: You may have to 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to configure that locale before it'll work
13:41.14WandererAnyone know about ramdisks?
13:41.17enoufhe's been told
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13:41.26real0nechops thanks that worck now fine
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13:41.50chopsreal0ne: If you want just a single command to run in English (e.g. for pastebinning), run 'LANG=C aptitude update' (or whatever command)
13:41.50private_metaFunt: /names
13:41.52private_metaups
13:42.22real0ne!pastebin
13:42.22dpkgPlease don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe>
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13:43.52real0nechops export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 that worck very good :)
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13:44.10chopsreal0ne: That's why I recommended it :-)
13:44.19suppamanbye
13:44.46real0nethanks :)
13:44.51chopsreal0ne: np
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13:46.14Funtprivate_meta I was unidentified, so I didn't get your pm
13:46.18dustybinwho can one view the id tag information from a FLAC file?
13:46.20dustybinhow
13:46.28private_metaFunt: i didn't write any pm to you yet
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13:46.40Funtk
13:46.46azeemheh
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13:46.54zyx386hi
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13:47.05zyx386thanx azeem i fix it
13:47.11zyx386sorry
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13:48.47Wandererxkcd ftw
13:48.49GarulfoUnixhi all
13:48.57AnthroI have a quick question for anyone who uses Thunderbird/Iceape to read newsgroups. Does it support junk filtering for news?
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13:49.19GarulfoUnixi installed gnash package but when i run IceWeasel and i'm going on youtube to try out, it doesn't find the plugin :/
13:49.20zyx386can install gimp 2.4.5 on Etch?
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13:50.05abrotmannot likely
13:50.24stewGarulfoUnix: is "libgnashplugin.so" listed when you go to "about:plugins"?
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13:50.47zyx386because i want some configuration is just for gimp 2.4.5
13:51.09GarulfoUnixstew: no i don't have any entry for libgnashplugin.so
13:51.52stewGarulfoUnix: is mozilla-plugin-gnash installed?
13:52.20GarulfoUnixi don't think so. I only installed "gnash" package
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13:52.49stewGarulfoUnix: install mozilla-plugin-gnash and reload whatever youtube page you are on
13:53.17GarulfoUnixthanks stew, that's run now :]
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13:56.49smaceI am in trouble trying to edit /etc/apt/sources.list I need another editor than vi... I really cant manage to edit that file.
13:57.08chopssmace: Install nano (it's probably already installed), and use that
13:57.28dfassmace, might want to try jed
13:57.33zyx386:(
13:57.33dfasbut doesnt come ni by default
13:57.34mplexI am trying to install the bigmem kernel on etch to address 8gigs of ram, and it gets to populating /dev and freezes up, I gave it three minutes with no change, any idea what I should do or did I not wait long enough?
13:57.34chopssmace: Also, it's good to reset your $EDITOR variable (in ~/.bash_profile or similar) to nano if you don't like vi, so that Debian won't pop you into it
13:57.49zyx386can install gimp 2.4.5 on etch?
13:58.06stewzyx386: not easily.  you'd have to backport all of gtk first
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13:58.18smacechops: I was used to VIM but this VIM seems different. Pressing [INSERT] does not let me insert text :(
13:58.29zyx386eha stew thanx
13:58.31abrotmanwonders if zyx386 might enjoy ubuntu a bit more
13:58.34chopssmace: You may not have real vim installed
13:58.42Eulexzyx386, you do not want to try to backport gtk. many apps will break with newer versions of gtk than they were tested with.
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13:58.52smacechops: when I press "vi" I see VIM 7.0 version
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13:59.10chopssmace: Hm, not sure what to tell you then
13:59.26chopssmace: 'i' is how I enter insert mode in vim; never tried INSERT
13:59.29jussianyone know when Zorg will be selected as a name? .. that'd be sweet.
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13:59.56dustybinwhat tool could one use to embed album artwork onto mp3 files so my ipod can display it?
13:59.57smacectrl I
14:00.04harksmace: try running it as vim, not vi
14:00.28stewjussi: you mean Zurg, and no, nobody knows.  the name for the next testing gets picked by the release manager(s) sometime around when the current testing is freezing
14:00.29smacehark: It works fine now !!
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14:01.38smacewhy does it happen ?
14:01.39jussistew: oh it was zurg? oh well.  Yeah, I figured that nobody knew, :)
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14:02.46harksmace: read /etc/vim/vimrc.tiny
14:02.52amphidustybin: AFAIK, they're not embedded, just a single file in the directory; it would be foolish to replicate the image data in every mp3
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14:03.40dustybinhmm k
14:04.01smacehark: that confuses us. How may I solve it?
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14:04.13amphidustybin: I have no idea about ipods, but that's how it works in quodlibet, FWIW
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14:04.22dustybinaye ok
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14:05.34rocketmagnethello, does someone know why my outof the box vim from etch does not use syntax highlighting at all ?
14:05.50rocketmagnet:syntax gives me "cannot be enabled in this version"
14:05.58rocketmagnetdo i need to compile vim myself ?
14:06.00\amethystrocketmagnet:  you probably have vim-tiny rather than vim
14:06.01Eulexrocketmagnet, install vim-full
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14:06.11smacedoes aptitude already have a list of repositories somewhere?
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14:06.31rocketmagnetty
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14:08.37humboltowhat are the best mailing list managers with csv import, web interface and "german" language support?
14:09.28rgrif I instal pulseaudio you get a esdcompat program which is then linked to from /usr/bin/esd. My question is, how do I reinstall the original "esd" - pulse does not work on my machine.
14:09.32annohi. is it okay to delete /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb?
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14:10.01mquinanno: yeah "apt-get clean" will do it for you
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14:10.08annomquin: thx
14:10.11stewanno: yes, its always ok to delete any file in /var/cache (but not any directory)
14:10.59annostew: i thought so, anyway, it's better to ask before one's system breaks :)
14:11.22stewanno: certainly :)
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14:14.22rocketmagnetdo i still need ntfs-3g to make my windows partition writeable ?
14:14.58Lagboltrocketmagnet, i still use it.  kernel support blows
14:15.00stewrocketmagnet: yes
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14:15.48rocketmagnetk
14:16.36private_metaanyone here that can provide me with a good/comprehensible/easy iptables tutorial?
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14:17.32abrotman!iptables
14:17.32dpkgiptables is, like, the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes)  See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450
14:18.27private_metathanks a bunch, abrotman
14:18.54rocketmagnetstew: because debian can mount it out of the box, but as only readable
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14:20.05Lagboltrocketmagnet, use ntfs-3g
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14:20.49rocketmagnetkk
14:22.02sidgyckrocketmagnet: if you run kernel < 2.6.20, u need upgrade it first!
14:22.34stewsidgyck: why?  are you sure?
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14:23.28sidgyckstew: yes, fuse problems
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14:23.52sidgyckrun self compiled 2.6.24
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14:25.50stewthe fuse-source package only claims to need >= 2.6.9
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14:26.16\amethystfuse-source shouldn't be necessary with remotely recent kernels
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14:29.19rocketmagnetwhen i have some usb device like a harddisk plugged in, how can i find out the /dev device for /etc/fstab ?
14:29.40humboltoI have read somewhere debian will release an updated etch with the latest and greatest xen kernel. is that still right?
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14:30.29stewhumbolto: ask #debian-kernel or #debian-xen on irc.debian.org
14:30.58chopshumbolto: There's "etch and a half", which might have what you describe... in general, stable releases don't get updates except for security and fixes for very serious problems
14:31.27humboltostew: the channels you mentioned are empty!
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14:31.49humboltochops: has "etch and a half" already been released?
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14:32.23sidgyckstew: I d/l recent ntfs-3g it claims >= 2.6.20
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14:33.13chopshumbolto: I'm honestly not sure; check google
14:34.50humboltochops: found a wiki page, but not much info there. seems deserted
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14:36.59tetedupetis there a way to parse text that's returned from a command?  IE I'm trying to write a shell script to get some system info and after grepping I get a line of "model name      :  Processor type" and I only want the processor type to be returned
14:37.41chopstetedupet: One way is something like: awk '/^model name/ {print $4;}'
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14:38.31rocketmagneti've heard there is some kind of itunes for linux that's opensource, does someone know the name ?
14:38.31\amethystsed -ne 's/^model name\t*: //p' < /proc/cpuinfo
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14:38.40stewhumbolto: #debian-kernel and #debian-xen have 73 and 13 people
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14:38.50stewhumbolto: etch and a half has not yet been released
14:39.01Hilaushow can I add this header "Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by..." in the mail command?
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14:39.45\amethystrocketmagnet:  something like rhythmbox, quodlibet, or juk  maybe?
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14:39.47humboltostew: [470] #debian-kernel ##debian-kernel Forwarding to another channel
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14:40.36\amethystrocketmagnet:  banshee was another one
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14:40.49tetedupetchops: thanks.  is there a way to print everything from $4 onwards, no matter the length?
14:41.21stewhumbolto: wrong irc network.  you should be on irc.debian.org
14:41.28humboltoI see
14:41.46IanLhmm,
14:41.47stewtetedupet: you'd have to use a for loop that looped from 4 to NF
14:42.12IanLapt is ignoring repositories I added to sources.list
14:42.14humboltothought irc.debian.org is just a "mirror" or a part of the freenode network?!
14:42.20stewhumbolto: /msg dpkg oftc move
14:42.24IanLwhen I run apt-get update it ignores the ones I added.
14:42.28chopstetedupet: awk -F ': *' '/^model name/ {print $2;}'
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14:43.40randomnumberhello does anyone know what stepbill.app is for? I found it in synaptic and it sounds like a game. But it isnt there... Its not an app either - wont run in terminal
14:43.45tetedupetah, thanks
14:44.11chopsrandomnumber: apt-cache show stepbill.app
14:44.24chopsrandomnumber: Or http://packages.debian.org/etch/stepbill.app
14:44.38\amethystrocketmagnet:   some kind of GNUstep progam.  The executable is /usr/games/StepBill
14:44.52\amethystrocketmagnet:  .app in a package name almost always means GNUStep
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14:45.13\amethystIt's probably a version of XBill (squish Bill Gates before he installs Windows on all your computers)
14:45.18randomnumberoohhh thanks!
14:45.20randomnumberlol
14:45.45tetedupetThis is a port of the MacBill, which is based on xbill, source to GNUstep.
14:46.11randomnumberahahah playing it now lol thanks
14:46.45chopstetedupet: np
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14:48.24randomnumberthis is a funny game :)
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14:50.27rocketmagnet3~
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14:50.55rocketmagnetold game =)
14:51.18rocketmagnetbut still funny
14:51.20randomnumberyeah hehe
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14:52.01SamuraiDiohi
14:52.05rocketmagnetdoes someone know how to get the /dev device name of my external usb hd ?
14:52.17SlayerXProcketmagnet: dmesg
14:52.40SamuraiDiodoes someone succedded on installing a Lexmark E230 on a Debian Linux? i need help to do so..
14:52.56Penixrocketmagnet: dmesg
14:53.00Penixbah. dupe
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14:56.30abrotmanPenix: did your "fan" get a hold of you last night?
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14:57.49belibelihiiiiiiii
14:58.08Haris1well, browsing and all was working fine. Now that I added ISP2, its again, causing problems with connections
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14:58.27chopsHaris1: Do you have two gateways defined now?
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14:59.51xerophytevls
14:59.57Haris11 gateway in table main, 1 gateway in table route1, 1 gateway in route2
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15:00.13Haris1table main and route2 gateway are the same
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15:00.35Haris1I have quagga and ip route doing the routing between isp1 and isp2
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15:00.49Haris1some traffic is statically routed to isp1, all other traffic goes through isp2
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15:01.19Haris1this is also a nat/masq box
15:01.20yitz_Hi. What graphical browser can I install that will print on Gnome other than Firefox? Elinks2 doesn't seem to print and FF is crashing when I open the print dialog
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15:02.00xannHello how do I activate my new configuration when I edited /etc/network/interfaces?
15:02.04chopsHaris1: Can you pastebin your 'route -n'?
15:02.30abrotmanxann: /etc/init.d/networking restart
15:02.36chopsHaris1: I'm inclined to say that if you're setting up that complexity of routing, you've volunteered to solve problems with it on your own if anything doesn't work, but I'll take a look :-)
15:02.42abrotmanyitz_: maybe epiphany
15:03.46Penixabrotman: yeah. another waste of time
15:03.47xannthanks abrotman
15:03.54Haris1yes, I have. Other than these short random times when it doesn't answer, all services work ok
15:04.16yitz_Reinstalling epiphany-browser now... 21MB. epiphany is a bolder-dash clone game :S
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15:04.46Haris1chops: http://sial.org/pbot/30760
15:05.07Haris1browsing, vpn connections are affected by this random outage
15:05.14SerajewelKSwhy would e2fsck tell me that a partition is mounted when it is not?
15:05.18Haris1sometimes its for a few seconds, sometimes I think its for a few mins.
15:05.24Haris1Not sure, why
15:05.33SerajewelKSit's not even in /proc/mounts
15:05.39yitz_abrotman: That did the trick. Thank you.
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15:06.29chopsHaris1: Hm, I'm not sure what to tell you.  At first glance, what you've pasted looks okay to me.
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15:06.56Haris1I haven't pasted the other two routing tables yet, though
15:07.04abrotmanPenix: i figured as much
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15:07.09SerajewelKSit doesn't show up in df or mount output, or in /proc/mounts
15:07.12chopsHaris1: You can try looking at the routing table during the outages and seeing if anything's different, or running tcpdump on various systems to see what exactly is wrong when it doesn't work
15:07.18SerajewelKSbut e2fsck still claims that it's mounted... wtf?
15:07.35Haris1chops: I'm not sure what I'm looking for. That's what makes it hard
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15:07.41chopsHaris1: I'm not familiar with multiple routing tables...
15:07.59chopsHaris1: What command would you use to dump the other routing tables?
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15:08.40SerajewelKS...
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15:15.25Haris1chops: ip route list table blabla
15:16.04rocketmagnetdoes someone know how to get the user id of current user?
15:16.08rocketmagnetah - id
15:16.11rocketmagnet:P
15:16.45Lagboltwhoami
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15:20.08chopsHaris1: Okay, this is actually a good bit more powerful than I knew it was.  I have no idea how to debug malfunctioning multiple routing tables.  My advice would be "use a single routing table" :-)
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15:23.05abrotmanHaris1: you might want to ask #networking
15:23.19abrotmanthinks that routing table looks like alphabet soup
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15:25.22mutantehmm,maybe a routing protocol should create the tables instead of a human
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15:26.05ampexmutante: he said he's using quagga, right?
15:26.18mutantenot sure, i may have missed that
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15:27.58steve_appenwoo1i'm having trouble looking at an ntfs drive, hda1 and hda2 both return nothing at the ls
15:28.04rocketmagnetis there an autocompletition for bash history ?
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15:28.14petemcrocketmagnet: ctl r
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15:28.41rocketmagnetjust !?
15:28.44mutanterocketmagnet: <TAB>
15:28.48rocketmagnetah
15:29.12rocketmagnet!vim<enter> goes to the last vim command
15:30.01steve_appenwoo1did i mount improperly if my ntfs drives don't return anything at the ls?
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15:34.14xerophytevdoes anybody know what happens when i compress large file with bzip2, what happens if i lose the console access while compressing the very large file .. ?
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15:34.59SerajewelKShuh weird, linux will not detect that my palm is a palm when i try to sync.  it sees the device connect but never identifies it, and it's been working for nearly a month now.
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15:36.03my007msi am use Gnome. And web browser keep replace Icewease as default browser
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15:36.41my007mshow can i make sure Icewease well keep as my default browser
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15:37.23amphixerophytev: nothing, if you do it in screen
15:38.13xerophytevamphi: what i didn't do it in the screen .. because now i have bzip2 file but not the orginal log file .. just wondering if that complete the process
15:38.39SerajewelKSlsusb correctly identifies it though
15:38.54amphixerophytev: you'll have to try unpacking the bz2 to see, I guess; bzip2 also has an integrity checking function IIRC
15:40.23SerajewelKSand it looks like the default udev rules should match, but udev is doing nothing with it.  i don't even see a usb tty in /dev
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15:41.23randomnumbermy007s: edit preferences
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15:41.49xerophytevamphi: this .. it does has bzip2 --test
15:43.19amphixerophytev: did you try it?
15:43.21SerajewelKSsigh, this can't be that hard of a problem
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15:44.26xerophytevamphi: trying i
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15:52.22bizwhats the approx. installed base system on-disk size of a current stable system, bootstrapped with the shipped 'etch' script of debootstrap?
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15:53.06CharminTheMooseabout 150MB
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15:53.52bizthanks.
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15:56.11Martin_vWhello... I'm attempting to build my own package for freeradius, by compiling it from source using dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc. The problem is: if this package is put in my companies apt repository, the package will conflict with the freeradius package from debian, won't it?
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15:59.02Martin_vWChristoph_vW: test
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16:02.50tdnIs there a good way to automatically install security updates on a regular basis by using cron or anacron? I have looked a bit at the "unattended-upgrade" package, but it does not seem to configurable; and it does not have a man page.
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16:04.50mindfunk_wow... a lot of ppl
16:05.13mindfunk_so... I "apt-installed" gforge, and that updated a lot of stuff
16:05.15XLVtdn, why not creating a batch file with "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" and run it on desired intervals through cron
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16:05.52mindfunk_I think it  updated something that affected xscreensaver's ability to access /etc/shadow
16:06.20mindfunk_I can't "apt-get install xscreensaver" now
16:06.28mindfunk_there are broken dependencies...
16:06.34mindfunk_anyone know what to do?
16:06.52chopsmindfunk_: Can you pastebin the exact output you get from 'apt-get install xscreensaver'?
16:07.02chopsmindfunk_: And your /etc/apt/sources.list?
16:07.20mindfunk_one sec... it is on a diff machine
16:07.33mindfunk_sources is stable... but I will paste it
16:07.35tdnXLV, hmm... I would like to have it just install updates, if they can be installed without interaction. If attention is needed; I would like an e-mail about it.
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16:07.38mindfunk_brb
16:07.48chopstdn: You can subscribe to debian-security-announce
16:07.59tdnchops, I already do. Thank you :)
16:08.09chopstdn: Heh
16:08.31chopstdn: There's not a way to tell programmatically whether an update will require manual intervention before trying to install it
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16:08.57chopstdn: It's generally a lot better to install the updates by hand (though I imagine this isn't the first time you've gotten that advice)
16:08.58tdnchops, but I would like the simpler updates to be installed automatically, and then larger updates that require attention (like kernel upgrades and such) would be taken care of manually.
16:09.17chopstdn: The problem is that there's no machine-determinable definition of "simpler"
16:09.19XLVtdn, apt-get -y to get to download and install without interaction
16:09.35suwrohello - anyone know hot to reset postgre root password?
16:09.52tdnchops, I know, but there is kinda a way to tell it. It's to look at the question "levels".
16:10.00abrotmansuwro: ask #postgresql ?
16:10.12chopstdn: debconf questions are not the only things that may require input during package upgrade
16:10.13suwroabrotman: ty
16:10.16mindfunk_chops:  The following packages have unmet dependencies:
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16:10.16mindfunk_be installed
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16:10.31chopstdn: ucf is the next most common, but packages can really do anything
16:10.37chops!tell mindfunk_ about pastebin
16:10.52mindfunk_chops: a bot must have kicked me out or something
16:11.01tdnchops, I know. If configuration files are changed, I need to view the diffs and manually merge the new stuff. But this is where I would like an e-mail about it.
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16:11.18tdnchops, ucf?
16:11.29XLVtdn, and also from apt-get man page apt-get returns zero on normal operation, decimal 100 on error so you check return status of apt-get if its 0 its ok, if its 100 you "mail me@foo problem"
16:11.32tdnmindfunk_, http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste
16:11.54chops!tell tdn about ucf
16:12.05XLVtdn, just a little shell scripting thats all its needed
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16:12.39mindfunk_ok... sorry... what does pastebin do exactly?
16:12.40tdnXLV, yeah, I imagined that I needed to script my way out of it, but I thought that others might have had the same problem and made a more general solution for this.
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16:12.58NickBurnsSNLGreetings to all ...
16:12.58tdnmindfunk_, try it.
16:13.20mindfunk_tdn: I did... I got a screen with the text I pasted in it
16:13.32chopstdn: The problem is that there isn't a general solution.  The fact that you can describe exactly what you'd like to happen doesn't mean that it's possible to do that within the existing dpkg behavior :-).
16:13.40XLVtdn, and a little googleing helps too http://www.debianadmin.com/automatic-update-of-packages-using-cron-apt.html
16:13.54mindfunk_I can even download a text file with what I pasted in it...
16:13.55tdnmindfunk_, yes. And then you paste the URL here to this page containing your data.
16:14.01mindfunk_oooh
16:14.18mindfunk_chaps: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P1102.html
16:14.20XLVtdn, i searched with "automatic updates debian error mail" it was first hit
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16:14.43NickBurnsSNLJust did a 'dist-upgrade' this AM on my Lenny box, now, my uptimes are high ... I'm looking at htop and most processes are not that high
16:15.03abrotmantdn: you really shouldn't upgrade packages automatically .. the consequences could be disatrous
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16:15.29mindfunk_chops:http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P1103.html
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16:15.53mindfunk_chops:  http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P1102.html
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16:16.07chopsmindfunk_: Are you running sarge, or etch?
16:16.18mindfunk_er... I think sarge
16:16.23mindfunk_I think
16:16.29tdnabrotman, that's why I would like to only do it with "simple updates". I already to so; some of the updates that I install with apt-get upgrade require no interaction from me; and I just trust that it works correctly.
16:16.36tdnXLV, thanks.
16:16.49mindfunk_chops: I did a netinstall about 1.5 years ago
16:17.13chopsmindfunk_: Hm, your sources.list says 'stable', and stable has changed from sarge to etch.  That's one problem.
16:17.19mindfunk_haven't really updated anything since... other than when I "apt-get install gforge" on thursday
16:17.26chopsmindfunk_: The first thing to try is setting sources.list to 'sarge' where it currently says 'stable'.
16:17.35abrotmantdn: i'
16:17.43abrotmantdn: i'm not sure you or apt can differentiate
16:17.51abrotmanerm .. you can .. i don't think apt can
16:17.57mindfunk_chops: is that going to throw anything else out of whack?
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16:18.09mindfunk_chops: not sure what else gforge brought in
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16:18.30chopstdn: I've already told you about this ("The problem is that there's no machine-determinable definition of 'simpler'").
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16:18.41mindfunk_I know it made me switch from apache1 to apache2
16:18.53tdnabrotman, but somehow apt must know if it needs to ask me a question?
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16:19.07chopsmindfunk_: Depending on what else you've done, you may have a system that's halfway upgraded from sarge to etch now.  What's 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1' say?
16:19.18tdnchops, what if the definition is just "if it does not need to ask a question"?
16:20.02chopstdn: There's no way to tell that without installing the package and seeing what happens.  Packages do not contain metadata determining whether the install scripts are going to attempt to interact with the user (and anyway it depends on a lot of things, like whether certain files have been modified or what your debconf settings are).
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16:21.16mindfunk_chops: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P1104.html
16:21.29mindfunk_chops: I guess apt-get upgrade is the solution?
16:21.35chopsmindfunk_: Yes, you now have a system that's partially upgraded to etch
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16:21.59chopsmindfunk_: The best way to proceed is probably to follow the instructions for upgrading from sarge to etch (which are _not_ as simple as just apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade)
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16:22.08chops!tell mindfunk_ about sarge->etch
16:22.17mindfunk_chops: ok... thanks
16:22.29tdnchops, but if it just go ahead and tries to install the package and hits a question, it can just stop there and mail me about it? Also, if all of this could be run inside a screen, I could just SSH to the machine and attach to the screen and answer the question?
16:22.44chopsmindfunk_: You may have already done some of the steps, but it's better to go through the steps from the beginning than to try to figure out what subset of them you have to do
16:23.33chopstdn: If you don't mind particular services stopping working until you get around to shelling in a checking the screen session (and possibly being broken in random hard-to-fix ways if the system shuts down between update and shell-in-and-check), then sure
16:24.04chopsmindfunk_: Good timing, anyway -- security support for sarge ended about a week ago
16:24.49tdnchops, isn't that the same as would happen, if I were to run apt-get upgrade manually? It would hang at the same point, until I fixed the problem?
16:25.02chopstdn: It would
16:25.07chopstdn: But you'd be there to fix the problem :-)
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16:25.27mindfunk_chops: thanks
16:25.31chopsmindfunk_: np
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16:28.53tdnchops, fair enough :)
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16:29.53tdnchops, I would like to know how other people manage large numbers of servers.
16:30.04chopstdn: How many servers?
16:30.50benjamindeestdn, /join #bash
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16:31.05chopstdn: There are programs that let you batch-run particular commands via ssh on arbitrarily many hosts (and handle errors and the like by hand when they happen)
16:31.08tdnbenjamindees, I use zsh, thank you :)
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16:31.29tdnchops, 20-30 at the moment.
16:31.36chopstdn: I don't happen to know what the method of choice for people who have hundreds of servers to deal with is, but that's how I would do it if I suddenly found myself in that situation
16:31.59tdnchops, okay. I'll look into that.
16:32.14chopstdn: You might use the batched ssh client to run the update on a couple of servers, and if it turns out to ask you any questions you can look into how to batch up answering the questions or arranging for them not to need to happen
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16:33.27ludalhello all
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16:35.10mardihello ludal
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16:35.45tdnchops, I need to hire more people. ;)
16:36.02ludalmardi: you're french ?
16:36.21mardinope, american
16:36.41chopstdn: Wanted: Debian administrator, 15-20 years experience preferred.  Job description: 'aptitude dist-upgrade'. :-)
16:37.01ludaloki, I thought of tuesday in french, I mean mardi
16:37.07xsdgchops: heh
16:37.20tdnchops, hehe.
16:37.25mardiludal, yeh, that's why i like the nick mardi :p
16:37.30xsdgchops: Debian is just 15 years old, though :oP
16:37.47ludalbut we are on monday :D
16:37.51tdnxsdg, I think that was part of the joke :)
16:38.00mardiludal, hehe
16:38.23tdnxsdg, it's like those job ads that asks for people with 5+ years of Web 2.0 experience.
16:38.27benjamindeesanyone know of a graphical diff, or way to diff postsript or pdf files?
16:39.08mardiwanted dishwasher, must be experienced. (i actually saw that in a job ad once.)
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16:39.53samuelsup guys
16:40.05samuelanyone know of a decent replacement for fetchmail?
16:40.29stewsamuel: for imap or pop?
16:40.38stewsamuel: or, why do you need to replace it?
16:40.39samueleither
16:40.56samuelstew: because i find fetchmail rather slow
16:41.01samueli want to try something else
16:41.12amphislow?
16:41.14samueli use fetchmail with pop3 but either will do
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16:41.36samuelamphi: a little, sometimes
16:41.51stewsamuel: there is imapsync and offlineimap, however, if fetchmail is slow, it is probably a hardware problem, not a software problem
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16:42.06stewsamuel: like a lack of bandwidth
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16:42.58samuelstew: hmmm i doubt it, but ill look into it, my isp has blocked my computer several times for "propagating viruses"
16:43.10benjamindeesfetchmail doesn't actually do anything;  there's no way for it to be the cause of slowness.
16:43.14JAJAJQUIEN HABLA ESPAÑOL?
16:43.20azeem!es
16:43.20dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
16:43.21chops!es
16:43.25samuelthey claimed i had windows viruses in a linux pc
16:43.42JAJAJOIGAN COMO LE AGO PARA JUGAR WORMUX EN LINEA
16:43.44JAJAJ''''''
16:43.57chopssamuel: Wireless network?
16:44.00samueland the ppl in tech support for the isp didnt even know there was such a thing as linux
16:44.04SlayerXPjaja:  YOUR CAPSLOCK IS BROKEN
16:44.13chopssamuel: _That_ is not particularly unusual :-)
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16:45.13samuelchops: they should be ashamed.... its the biggest company in mexico, TELMEX, and they dont know linux even exists
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16:46.58chopssamuel: "Be angry at the sun for setting, if these things anger you."  http://www.igreens.org.uk/be_angry_at_the_sun.htm :-)
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16:48.00samuelnice
16:48.23samuelis looking up this "Robinson Jeffers"
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16:48.45benjamindeesdoes contrib accept "shareware" ?
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16:48.52azeembenjamindees: no
16:48.54samuelno
16:49.01azeembenjamindees: contrib is Free Software
16:49.01chopsbenjamindees: non-free maybe
16:49.15azeemnon-free has to be freely redistributable as well
16:49.21benjamindeesoh right non-free I meant
16:49.25azeemI don't think shareware usually is that
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16:49.50chopsI was wondering about a related thing... how likely would it be that non-free software that requires a license (e.g. perforce server) would make it into non-free?
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16:50.12chopsOr does the software need to be freely _usable_ in its redistributable form?
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16:50.25stewchops: yes, rar for instance requires a license to use and is in non-free
16:50.49chopsInteresting
16:50.54benjamindeesazeem, I thought that's what the "share" in shareware meant..
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16:51.26chopsBecause I have a lot of license-requiring software at work with binaries that are freely available (though not automatically redistributable): Perforce, JIRA, Confluence
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16:51.38chopsIt would be quite a bit easier to deal with if they were in Debian packages...
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16:54.01abrotmantdn: did you get your answer?
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16:56.12highlandHello. I have a little problem with program 'mail'. How can I attach file? Is there any parameter?
16:57.21DimmuR|awayis it possible under debian to monitor earch operation that user make on file (read/modify/delete) ?
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16:58.38azeemor inotiry
16:58.41azeemeh, inotify
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16:58.59DimmuR|awaythanks
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17:00.22strikovHi! I wanna install Deb on my desktop but it has too modern e1000E ethernet controller. Thats why lennyB1 2.6.22 kernel do not handle it. But i want to use netinst. How can i solve my problem? THANKS
17:00.41abrotman!kmuto
17:00.41dpkgFor etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
17:00.42abrotmanmaybe
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17:02.01strikovdpkg: thanks! and can you advise me smth related with lenny
17:02.01dpkgsure thing, strikov
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17:02.32Eulex!bot
17:02.32dpkgI ain't no stinkin' bot.  I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool.  Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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17:05.40pinto3is there a dpkg option to list what package a file/program came from?
17:05.53benjamindeesdpkg -S file/name
17:05.54dpkgDingos ate my file/name!
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17:06.03pinto3:)
17:06.16amphipinto3: dpkg -S <file. or apt-file search <file>
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17:06.54pinto3yeah, i knew about the search option, i was lookin for something that'd list what package the ip program came from ^ that gives me about 100 lines or more
17:07.00highlandI repeat: I have a little problem with program 'mail'. How can I attach file? Is there any parameter? Thank you.
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17:07.11Eulexpinto3, try searching for bin/ip
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17:08.08pinto3oh wow that works, thanks alot
17:08.19Eulexhrrm, bad thing it doesn't do regexes, otherwise you could've searched for bin/ip$
17:08.32Eulexthis way you still get a few false ones
17:08.47Eulexcould always tack a grep onto it, though
17:08.50Eulexpinto3, yw
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17:12.25chopsEulex: There's always apt-file seach | grep 'bin/ip$' :-)
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17:12.40Eulexchops, well, yeah
17:12.51chopsEulex: Ugly but functional
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17:13.17smharI am not connected to an ethernet router, and my ifconfig show 2 eth1 , eth1 with no IP (understandably) and and eth1:avahi with an IP. both show the same HWaddr
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17:13.29Eulexchops, hmm, but you still have to tell apt-file to search for something, a pure 'apt-file search' doesn't cut it
17:13.47chopsEulex: Right, hence the ugliness (you have to search twice)
17:14.00Eulexyeah
17:14.03chopsEulex: It's true that the command I typed is more of a 'pseudocommand' than something that actually works
17:14.25Eulexthough the second search should be much quicker, as you've already limited the search space
17:14.48rahsputinWhen is Sarge unsupported ?
17:14.53rahsputingoing to be ?
17:15.08EulexI believe security seupport ended last month. I might be wrong, though.
17:15.35stewEulex: it ends tomorrow afaik
17:15.43Eulexah
17:15.43stew!etch
17:15.43dpkgEtch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007.  Ask me about <install debian>.  Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>).
17:15.48SerajewelKSudev doesn't seem to notice when i try to hotsync my palm; it doesn't create /dev/pilot for example.  how would i diagnose this?
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17:15.50aroonii type:  sudo chown chasetoys file.yml ......... and it churns for a bit and gives me no message of error.... yet when i type ls -l ... nothing happened!
17:16.00stewEulex: yeah, its one year after etch, which is tomorrow
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17:16.20Eulexstew, knew it was around this time at least :)
17:16.21rahsputinstew: Eulex  I just made a floppy install,  and couldnt retrieve bootstap and kernel version 2.4..xxxxx
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17:18.21SerajewelKSno udev people around, i take it
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17:20.47xinguSerajewelKS: udevmonitor may be of some use
17:20.48vjoehello
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17:21.48rahsputinnow its DLing from Sweden :D
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17:27.53SerajewelKSxingu: hmm, it sees some events but it doesn't appear to match any rules
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17:28.20SerajewelKSxingu: either that or udevmonitor doesn't tell me when it does.  it sees the usb device added, though.
17:28.45xinguSerajewelKS: well, that's a start I guess
17:28.55aroonihow can i reboot my server ('reboot' seems to shut down but not cause it to automatically come back up)
17:29.13smacedebhelper repository
17:29.24xinguSerajewelKS: /etc/udev/rules.d/z90_libpisock9.rules seems relevant
17:29.39xingus/90/60/
17:29.56abrotmanarooni: that's what reboot is for
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17:30.40xinguSerajewelKS: also, /etc/udev/rules.d/udev.rules: ... SYMLINK+="pilot"
17:30.56arooniabrotman, well why isnt it working?
17:30.56SerajewelKSxingu: yes, i know, i'd expect that it would be matching that one according to lsusb output
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17:31.06xinguSerajewelKS: which seems to be a match on the ttyUSB* device as well as the product string
17:31.10smaceIn the past, I remember I had apt-setup and I could add repositories easily to my apt. Current debian version does nto come with apt-setup :(
17:31.23xinguSerajewelKS: is the ttyUSB* device getting created?
17:31.27SerajewelKSxingu: well, i don't get a ttyUSB device anymore for some reason.  i don't know if the kernel or udev is responsible for creating it.
17:31.42xinguSerajewelKS: it's just possible the kernel now uses a new name for that device
17:31.50xinguSerajewelKS: I've been bitten by that myself before
17:32.03SerajewelKSxingu: i haven't touched the kernel since yesterday, and it was working then
17:32.16xinguSerajewelKS: what does ls -alrt think in therms of newly created tty* devices?
17:32.21SerajewelKSxingu: and dmesg/syslog give no clues about the device name
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17:32.32arooniabrotman, what about sudo shutdown -r now ..... should that also work?
17:32.47SerajewelKSxingu: i don't know, what am i looking for in the output?
17:32.52tdnabrotman, well... Yes and no. I got an answer, but I did not get a solution for my problem. I think the conclusion was that there is no other way around the problem other than scripting or maybe just upgrading servers in parallel with ssh wrapper scripts that allow me to login to multiple servers at simultanously.
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17:33.11xinguSerajewelKS: ls -alrt /dev/tty* - look for something with a create date as-at your hotplug time
17:33.22abrotmanarooni: does it work as root instead of sudo ?
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17:33.38abrotmantdn: sounds icky :)
17:33.39SerajewelKSxingu: nothing recent
17:34.03tdnabrotman, yes. Do you have a better solution? :)
17:34.06xinguSerajewelKS: almost sounds like the device itself has gone to sleep and stopped responding to that usb profile; does lsusb think it's sane?
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17:34.08smaceis there a way to list debian repository available ?
17:34.17abrotmantdn: you can automate the downloading .. but not really the install
17:34.23abrotman!mirrors
17:34.23dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy>  | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/
17:34.31abrotmantdn: you oculd write bash scripts to do it maybe
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17:34.39SerajewelKSxingu: lsusb doesn't display that looks weird to me, i'll pastebin the section for the palm if you want
17:34.52tdnabrotman, yeah. I'll look into some scripting. Although I would rather avoid that.
17:35.44xinguSerajewelKS: I'm kinda hitting the end of what I can do for you, but udevmonitor is your spyglass and it's a straightforward match from usb-serial's ttyUSB chardev -> /dev/pilot symlink going on.
17:35.52xinguSerajewelKS: good luck :)
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17:36.21rahsputin!olp
17:36.21dpkgi heard olp is our lady peace
17:36.34xinguSerajewelKS: /sys might be worth a poke around too to make sure partcularly that /sys/bin/usb/... is getting populated at insert
17:36.41rahsputin!opl
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17:36.55smace!apt-setup
17:36.55dpkgapt-setup was a means of adding a Debian mirror to your APT sources. To install from a cd-rom ask me about <apt-cdrom>. apt-setup is no longer available as a .deb (usable on an installed system) in etch and later since base-config was removed (http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html). <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> can be used instead.
17:36.59rahsputin!backends
17:37.07rahsputin!backend
17:37.26SerajewelKSxingu: it's almost like the kernel just doesn't know what it is... when i sync, there is stuff in dmesg but nothing that says "hey, this is a palm" and i vaguely recall seeing that before
17:37.35rahsputinhow can i ask dpkg about backends
17:37.39SerajewelKSxingu: like the kernel doesn't know what driver to use
17:37.45xinguSerajewelKS: sounds likely; is usb-serial loaded?
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17:38.37smacemiss apt-setup :(
17:38.55SerajewelKSxingu: sure isn't
17:39.33SerajewelKSxingu: if i try to modprobe:  FATAL: Module usb_serial not found.
17:40.33xinguSerajewelKS: aah, try usbserial
17:40.56SerajewelKSxingu: that succeeded
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17:41.31Sebimorning...
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17:41.52SerajewelKSxingu: sync still goes nowhere
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17:42.07SerajewelKSxingu: i've tried resetting the palm and rebooting linux, neither work
17:42.14Sebii have a minimal problem, and i want to know, if there is a short cut to it (would also be user friendlier)...
17:42.27SerajewelKSi could test if it works on my laptop though, to rule out palm failure
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17:42.44xinguSerajewelKS: yep, and log a success case viewed through usbmonitor
17:43.00xingus/usb/udev/
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17:43.59smaceI cannot install libxml2 from my current repositories. I have tried to add some new but till now no success.
17:44.03SerajewelKSxingu: nods, few minutes to boot etc
17:44.36Sebii use lenny/sid. i have installed package libstlport4.6c2, and now i started to install openoffice 2.4. for this it wanted to install libstlport4.6ldbl. but this fails because of "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libstlport4.6ldbl_4.6.2-3.1_i386.deb (--unpack):
17:44.48smaceI need one good suggestion for repository.
17:44.49Sebi<PROTECTED>
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17:45.31Sebiwhen i tried to remove or purge libstlport4.6c2, apt won't do this
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17:46.32Sebii think, i have to de-select all the openoffice-packages, deinstall that one package, and then re-install the whole open-office-package.
17:46.48Sebibut that can't be the only way...
17:46.55craigevilSebi:
17:46.55craigevildpkg --purge libstlport4.6c2
17:46.55craigevilapt-get -f install
17:47.20n3klAnyone know how I could mount/open/view a binary firmware image I have downloaded in linux?
17:47.44zinxfirmware?  what part of it do you want to view?
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17:47.53Sebicraigevil: thanks. :-)
17:47.54SerajewelKSxingu: fuck, it's not syncing to the laptop either
17:47.59zinxit's unlikely that you can, however.. those are generally not filesystems
17:48.02Eulexn3kl, if it has a normal file system, you can mount it with -o loop
17:48.08n3klzinx: well. there should be a filesystem on it somewhere wil files I should be able to modify
17:48.11n3klEulex: tried it
17:48.11smaceI have installed apt-spy as suggested from dpkg and now my repository list is empty.
17:48.13SerajewelKSxingu: i did an aptitude upgrade recently on both, i wonder if i killed both of them...
17:48.14zinxusually they're just machine code and some headers (and sometimes, not even the headers)
17:48.23zinxn3kl: what is it a firmware for?
17:48.27Sebibut ashaming, that apt(itude) can't do such things by itself.
17:48.33n3klzinx: snom phone
17:48.33zinxn3kl: in general, it's very unlikely that there's any filesystem at all anywhere in it.
17:48.51EulexSebi, you're using software from unstable. expect some stuff to break.
17:48.56n3klzinx: so, do you know of some tools to decompile/uncompress/debuild this file?
17:49.09EvilDinhi, our company would wanna have special repository to keep out programs in binaries, so that many other clients would be able to do dimple update. How could i do repository? And how could i actually do deb install packages ?
17:49.17SerajewelKSxingu: well final test, boot windows in virtualbox, install palm desktop, and pass the device through...
17:49.21Sebihm. i think, i had a similar problem with stable, when removin postgres..
17:49.25EulexSebi, if the packages specified that they conflicted; this wouldn't happen. it's a packager's error.
17:49.27StucKman_hi all. I need to unplug a sata drive from a intel motherboard whili its running linux (the motherboard, from another disk, that is). it seems the drive will survive, but will the system? how should I turn off the disk?
17:50.09smace!dpkg installing repository
17:50.24smace!installing repository
17:50.26Sebipostgres bekame somehow "broken" as status, and i could only de-install it, when i reinstalled it, and lateron removed all packages..
17:50.30smace!repository
17:50.30dpkgwell, debian repository is a set of Debian packages organized into a predefined structure for fetching with apt-get.  A howto is available at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
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17:50.34Eulexsmace, /msg dpkg foo
17:51.01zinxn3kl: i don't think that device is likely to have some filesystem you can easily edit
17:51.03SebiEulex: i'll check for that error and tell the maintainer.
17:51.35EulexSebi, check whether the bts already has it reported, otherwise report it
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17:52.18Sebisomeone already seemed to have reportet it.. 18 hours ago.. ^^
17:52.28zinxn3kl: and i don't see many (if any) custom firmwares for it in google
17:53.11n3klzinx: I would expect, through tftp, that the firmware is updated through a series of shell commands or something.  How would it build the linux based os on the phone without a filesystem though?
17:53.36n3klzinx: I have done quite a bit of googling on teh subject as well, and have found little
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17:54.01zinxn3kl: are you sure it has Linux on it?
17:54.04Eulexn3kl, it could be an archive of some sort
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17:54.32EulexSebi, good
17:54.34n3klzinx: nearly positive.  When the phone boots it says its loading a linux kernel
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17:54.53n3klzinx: not to mention the publicity of the phone running linux
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17:55.29n3klEulex: do you think `file` on the file would reveal anythign other than "data"
17:56.01zinxn3kl: then it's probably got a filesystem somewhere in the image, you'll probably need something to unpack the firmware to its parts, though - or you'll need to know which filesystem is in use, and extract it manually.
17:56.01Eulexn3kl, perhaps, I imagine it would take less time trying than asking me :)
17:56.24zinxn3kl: and of course you'll need to rebuild the firmware image after you make changes :/
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17:56.59zinxn3kl: something on this page may help: http://www.snom.com/en/snom_source.html
17:57.30n3klEulex: sorry to have bothered you.
17:57.32zinxn3kl: note that they're only obligated to include source for GPL components, so that page may not have everything needed to run the system
17:57.54eth01zinx: they don't even have to provide the source either ;-)
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17:58.30zinxeth01: yes they do, for GPL'd stuff
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17:58.38Eulexn3kl, no no, it's ok :)
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17:58.46zinxeth01: they're distributing binaries
17:59.32zinxeth01: so they have to provide the source for said binaries, even if that's just pointing them to the [exact] source on some other site
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18:01.57Sebithanks & bye
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18:03.36stewzinx: there are many licenses for which they also have to provide source other than the GPL.  For software that is under the GPL, pointing to source on some other site is not enough to fulfill their requirements under the GPL
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18:05.10zinxstew: they're fullfilling them in any case, i was just saying there may be stuff in the firmware that they don't have to provide.
18:05.47EvilDinhi i am having problem with setting clock i set tzconfig to Europe/Ljubljana and make ntpdate pool.ntp.org but my clock is still 2h late
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18:06.20xuserEvilDin: what release?
18:06.27EvilDindebian etch
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18:06.47debianEvilDin: I am debian, how can I help you?
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18:07.07xuseroh right there is no tzconfig in sid
18:07.09EvilDindebian: how to set time ?
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18:07.15nollandebain find libnet1
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18:07.28nollandebian find livnet1
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18:07.40debiannollan: ?
18:07.49EvilDini fixed
18:07.51xuserEvilDin: try ntpdate then tzconfig
18:08.02EvilDini did another tzconfig
18:08.04EvilDinand now time is ok
18:08.04nollandebian, oh, i thought you were a bot and was trying to lurk some functions out of you
18:08.13nollandebian, sorry
18:08.34patterthe bot would be apt
18:08.53nollanpatter, ok, how does it operate? privmsg?
18:09.08nollanyea got it
18:09.16debiannollan: Sorry I coulndt do what you wanted me too.
18:09.19Eulexnollan, /msg dpkg foo
18:09.37nollandebian, no worries man
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18:09.42nollanEulex, thanks
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18:10.52kamuiI have debian installed on a device with very limited storage
18:11.13Lagboltyeah? lol
18:11.15kamuican I relink /usr to an external drive thats mounted at boot without adverse effects?
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18:11.20kamuiI wasn't done
18:11.21kamui:)
18:11.29Lagbolti know
18:11.34Lagbolti was being a dick lol
18:11.35Lagboltum
18:11.36stewkamui: yes
18:11.40Lagboltyeah
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18:11.45SerajewelKSxingu: ok this is weird
18:11.52Eulexkamui, very possible, just make sure to preserve the contents of it completely
18:11.53kamuiI just wanted to be sure that during boot before the mounting process, nothing from /usr is called
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18:12.02SerajewelKSxingu: Windows won't recognize it either:  This device cannot start. (Code 10)
18:12.13SerajewelKSxingu: well it will recgnize it as a palm
18:12.17stewkamui: no, by definition, /usr is not needed at boot
18:12.22kamuiEulex, Im going to move /usr and then do a link
18:12.31kamuiok thats great news
18:12.45stewkamui: anything that would be in /usr/bin is moved to /bin if it is needed before other partitions are mounted, for example
18:13.06SerajewelKSxingu: if i lower the bitrate on the palm it works on windows
18:13.08SerajewelKSwtf
18:13.45SerajewelKSxingu: i changed the bitrate, sync'd, it worked.  changed it back, sync'd, it worked there too...
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18:15.54SerajewelKSxingu: it still will not work on linux, however, regardless of the speed settings
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18:17.07bkkamui: maybe it would be a better idea to mount /home on the external drive
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18:17.21lymecaWhat's the way to add an Apache2 module
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18:17.31SerajewelKSlymeca: a2enmod
18:17.33stewlymeca: a2enmod modulename
18:17.34lymecaIt's in /etc/apache2/mods-available
18:17.38xinguSerajewelKS: sounds like it's on the fritz
18:17.49SerajewelKSxingu: i dunno
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18:17.55SerajewelKSxingu: it works consistently on windows
18:17.55x1250udev runs before mounting /home? I have a script in /home/user symlinked to /etc/udev/rules.d/10-local.rules, but it when booting I can't found the file. The link is working, its not broke.
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18:18.15xinguSerajewelKS: maybe try forcing it to run as usb1.1 (unload your ehci driver)
18:18.39SerajewelKSxingu: according to dmesg it's using uhci
18:18.49lymecaSerajewelKS, stew: I just enabled gnutls, now is there a simple,easy way to force the use of TLS on a given site in sites-enabled?
18:19.10SerajewelKSlymeca: check the docs
18:19.17stewx1250: yes, udev runs before mounting any filesystems
18:19.21Eulexx1250, I'd imagine that udev is among the first to start
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18:19.42SerajewelKSxingu: i might try another cradle...
18:19.48x1250Ok Eulex, thanks, that was the problem then.
18:19.58x1250stew: thanks too :$
18:19.58SerajewelKSxingu: i'm putting my money on something in the last batch of lenny updates killing it though
18:20.15xingucould be
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18:26.46cderi am trying to set up a static ip address in etch i must use a IP adress from this subnet 192.168.198.* i know that netmask will be  255.255.255.0 how do I determine what network, broadcat, and gateway will be?
18:27.51stewcder: the network would be 192.168.198.0 and broadcast would be 192.168.198.255 as they are the first and last addresses in the subnet, but you should NOT specify them,  one only needs to specify them when one is doing something non-standard
18:28.11stewcder: if you don't know your gateway address, ask your network administrator
18:28.28stew_ZeuZ_: you want to search in file names? or file contents?
18:29.02stew_ZeuZ_: do you mean "X" as a literal X character? or as a placeholder?
18:29.07stew(same for 1)
18:29.29_ZeuZ_file contents
18:29.42_ZeuZ_no, thta'sactgually the string I gotta search xD
18:29.49stew_ZeuZ_: "grep -r XXXXX1X /"
18:29.54cderstew: thanks so if i do not specify them what should i specify?
18:30.21stew_ZeuZ_: or "find / -type f -print0 | xargs grep XXXXX1X"
18:30.27stewsecond might be better
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18:30.39SerajewelKSxingu: yeah i can get it work consistently in windows.  i don't know why it wasn't working that first time but since then it's happy to talk.
18:30.54SerajewelKSxingu: now the issue is i have no idea which package to file a bug against...
18:31.02stewcder: you should just need to specify ip address, netmask, and gateway.  from the first two, broadcast and network can be determined
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18:31.16_ZeuZ_xargs: argument line too long
18:31.38kamuiworked beautifully
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18:32.07cderstew; can i get the gateway by doing netstat -nr?
18:32.14stewcder: no
18:32.18cderok
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18:33.37stewcder: well, you can get it from running netstat -nr if you have already set this up.  but i'm assuming that becuase you are asking how to set this up, you haven't yet set it up
18:33.43PsySinedoes anyone which versions of debian contain ath5k on some cd?
18:34.07stewcder: if you have to guess, .1 is a pretty likely guess, but there is no way to determine it short of trying things until they work.  and your network adminstrator should really be able to tell you
18:34.08_ZeuZ_PsySine ask packages.debian.org
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18:34.41cderstew: i am the netwok admin
18:34.43PsySine_ZeuZ_: i did, but ath5k gave me no results... maybe it's included in the kernel?
18:35.00_ZeuZ_not likely.
18:35.00cderor maybe not
18:35.15stewcder: but you don't know the ip address of your gateway?
18:35.50stewPsySine: ath5k is atheros?
18:35.57PsySine_ZeuZ_: well, "apt-cache search ath5k" gives me nothing on a computer wich has it installed
18:36.11PsySinestew: yeah it's the new all-free driver from some bsd project
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18:36.25JoshHif you have exactly 4GB of RAM and are running 32 bit debian, do you want the bigmem kernel, which supports up to 64GB, or the normal kernel, which has CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G
18:36.56enoufJoshH: -bigmem
18:37.06martian67_PsySine: no, its the next version of madwifis driver
18:37.15martian67_with a completely free HAL
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18:37.27martian67_rather than the atheros provided one madwifi has
18:37.29JoshHthat's what i thought, thanks enouf
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18:37.39_ZeuZ_PsySine: It's not a native package then
18:37.40PsySinemartian67_: it came from some bsd project but madwifi adopted it, I believe :)
18:37.46_ZeuZ_or it's provided by someone else
18:37.49enoufbsd doesn't have a all-free license
18:38.01smacegives up :(
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18:38.16pauldoois there a way to list all installed packages and which section they came from?  ie, main, contrib, non-free..
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18:38.38PsySine_ZeuZ_: i'm almost sure i've not installed it from a third party, must simply be in the kernel :)
18:38.40cderstew: at the moment i am on DHCP i am trying to do a static ip in my /etc/resolv namesers i have
18:38.40cdernameservers 192.168.198.2 *
18:39.07_ZeuZ_just grepped the sources, didn't find anything there
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18:39.35PsySineenouf: with all-free I meant it doesn't vontain unfree stuff, sorry if all-free is some well-defined other expresion...
18:39.40fifafrazerHey, I'm using debian sid with E17 as DE and Entrance as login manager, and I have a problem getting my ~/.Xresources file loaded on startup. The ~/.xsession is neither being executed on startup. I've also tried ~/.xinitrc.
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18:39.54rgrFollowing tweaks to try and get sound working properly suddenly videos from http://news.bbc.co.uk/ are showing in a pop up gxine window and not embedded as before. What do I need to do to get videos embedded again as they were before?
18:39.57cderso any subnet of 192.168.198 * will be my address
18:40.07kamuinyone know the name of the command works like tail but for executables?
18:40.16kamuieg, I want to "tail" dmesg
18:40.35pauldookamui: watch may be close enough...
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18:40.57stewPsySine: "grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Section -n installed"  will list contrib/section or non-free/section
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18:41.01PsySine_ZeuZ_: thanks :) there is a package available called madwifi-source which I used before, but not anymore... which kernel did you grep?
18:41.05stewPsySine: not you
18:41.09stewpauldoo: "grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Section -n installed"  will list contrib/section or non-free/section
18:41.18stewcder: do you have a question?
18:41.37pauldookamui: or at least dmesg, tail, and watch in some combination may work
18:42.03kamuidamn, looks like I ran out of pty's
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18:42.50kamuiwatch was it
18:42.51kamuithanks
18:42.53pauldoostew: that seems to list "utils", "libs", "x11" etc.  it doesn't show main vs contrib vs non-free
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18:43.21rgranyone? How to stop gxine being the default iceweasel video player?
18:43.26stewpauldoo: if it says contrib/$section its in contrib, if it says non-free/$section, its in non-free, otherwise its main
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18:44.00pauldoostew: the packages come out on 3 lines each, so the ones with a blank line you are saying are in main..  gotcha
18:44.28cderstew:yes you said "you should just need to specify ip address netmask and gateway from the first two? first two?
18:44.54stewcder: "first two" would be ip address and netmask
18:46.01stewpauldoo: they are listed in paris of lines, the first line is the package name, the second is the section.  if the section is 'contrib/______' the package is in contrib, if the section is 'non-free/_____' it's in non-free,  otherwise, if its just something like 'x11', its in main
18:46.37stewpauldoo: so "grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Section -n installed | grep -B1 contrib" would list packages in contrib
18:47.06stewor perhaps "grep-status -FStatus -sPackage,Section -n installed | grep -B1 contrib/"
18:47.10pauldoostew: yup.. am getting there.. :)  am trying to remove everything from contrib and non-free so I can remove them from my sources.list
18:47.27stewpauldoo: apt-cache show vrms
18:47.37cderstew: say my ip adress is 192.168.198.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 how to determine network and broadvast
18:47.43cderbroadcast
18:47.48pauldoostew: have already done that, but there are still some non-free and contrib packages installed
18:48.10\amethystaptitude search '~i(~scontrib|~snon-free)'
18:48.15smaceapt-cache knows libxml2 but I cannot aptitude install it. any idea?
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18:49.13pauldoohow can I purge a package that has already been removed?
18:49.21Eulex!purge
18:49.21dpkgi guess purge is to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs.  To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files
18:49.26valdyncder: why would you need network and broadcast too?
18:49.32stewcder: network is the bitwise and of the ip address and netmask.  broadcast address is the bitwise or of the ip address and the compliment of the netmask
18:49.42smacevaldyn: because that asks for that.
18:49.59stewcder: or just use ipcalc.  but, like i said,  you don't need to know these, just don't specify them at all and the the system calculate these defaults for you
18:49.59valdynsmace: that" ?
18:50.09kenjyI wanna do a benchmark test for apache with the ap commando, I wanna send 300 request per second, how can I do this? ab -c 300 ip ?
18:50.14pauldootells himself to RTFM
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18:50.33smacevaldyn: I would be happy by saying 201.18.17.43/29 for example. but It does not work this way.
18:51.04valdynsmace: i dont know that "it" is
18:51.16smacevi /etc/network/interfaces
18:51.30valdynsmace: you only just need the netmask there
18:51.41cderstew: ok thanks and gateway well i must guess 192.168.198.1 0r 2
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18:51.44kamuiis there a console interface like screen that does split or multiple screens?
18:52.04stewkamui: how about screen?
18:52.05abrotmanscreen ?
18:52.09\amethystkamui:  screen does that
18:52.10Eulexkamui, splitvt
18:53.11kamuiyea Im an idiot, I just started reading the screen man page C-a shift S
18:53.13kamui:)
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18:59.31kamuiI can for some lame reason only have 4 ptys, unless Im root, any idea what I botched
18:59.36cderstew: hete is netstat -nr  http://pastebin.ca/975678
18:59.47kamuiI have checked syoctl.cfg it says I can have a max of 4096 ptys
18:59.50SerajewelKSi can sync my palm with a windows box, but not with either of my lenny boxes.  it was working on both lenny boxes yesterday.  what could be wrong?
18:59.58kamuiI chmod a+rw /dev/pty*
19:00.02kamuiand still blown
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19:01.37enoufyou should have pts, iinm
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19:02.39zamuroff!tell me about linux-sound
19:02.54zamuroff!tell me about linux-sound-base
19:03.02SerajewelKS!tell zamuroff about msg the bot
19:03.09enouf$ ps aux | grep pts | wc -l
19:03.09enouf13
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19:03.34SerajewelKSenouf: don't forget to put a | grep -v grep | in there
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19:03.40cderstew: thanks for listening
19:03.44zamuroffSerajewelKS Then you tell me what the package name is...
19:03.45enoufalright, so 12 :-P
19:03.48stewcder: did you have a question?
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19:04.23cderstew: i posted the pastebin of netstat -nr
19:04.25zamuroff!tell me about alsa
19:04.32stewcder: i saw that
19:04.34SerajewelKSzamuroff: i'm not saying don't play with the bot, i'm saying /msg it
19:04.42stewcder: did you have a question related to it?
19:04.45SerajewelKSzamuroff: no need to use !tell here
19:05.06cderstew: it shows a gateway address
19:05.12stewcder: yes
19:05.17enoufSerajewelKS: heh, my little trick works with a 't' but not a 'p' $ ps aux | grep [t]ty | wc -l
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19:06.47havocologeis there a way to see with what kind of configure options something was installed ?
19:07.01cderstew: could i use that as gateway in my static setup?
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19:07.37stewcder: yes
19:07.45stewcder: assuming that your networking is working now
19:08.02cderstew: yes it is
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19:09.11havocologebecause i thought i compiled php5 with lib-gd but it looks like i did not have.
19:09.16cderstew: i would point out also that address is the only address in my /etc/resolv file
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19:09.21havocologeis it possible to install it afterwards ?
19:09.37abrotmanhavocologe: php5-gd ?
19:09.44stewhavocologe: why did you compile php5 instead of just installing it via apt-get/aptitude?
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19:09.54havocologei have php5 as fastcgi installed
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19:10.31mirakhow do I get files from https with wget or curl ? I got a truncated file here https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/sascng/attachment/wiki/DebianPackageBuild/sasc-ng_debian.3.tar.bz2
19:10.36abrotmanisn't that what php5-cgi is for?
19:11.17SerajewelKSgrr, stupid kernel
19:11.18patter'wget url' normally works
19:11.24cderstew: i want to say thankyou
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19:13.17mirakhow do I get a cgi file from wget or curl ? I got a truncated file here https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/sascng/attachment/wiki/DebianPackageBuild/sasc-ng_debian.3.tar.bz2 in fact it's the webpage html content
19:13.31abrotmanmirak: wget <url>
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19:13.32assasukassemirak curl is better if you have to grep the result
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19:13.39assasukasseotherwise wget is fine
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19:13.56mirakabrotman: I get only a html page, not the data
19:14.06patterwget also has a --continue option in case you get a partial file
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19:14.53enoufhttps == 443 (default port?)
19:15.05Siliciumhttp://www.bogons.net/pics/street-colo.jpg
19:15.16patterhttps://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/sascng/attachment/wiki/DebianPackageBuild/sasc-ng_debian.3.tar.bz2?format=raw
19:15.23patteruse that link ^^
19:15.42akiodpkg dmm
19:15.42dpkgrumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
19:15.45abrotmanmirak: uh .. it *is* a webpage
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19:16.04mirakabrotman: https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/sascng/attachment/wiki/DebianPackageBuild/sasc-ng_debian.3.tar.bz2
19:16.05patterthey're using javascript on the webpage to push the actual file,
19:16.18mirakabrotman: why can I get it with firefox for instance ,
19:16.19mirak?
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19:16.28abrotmanmirak: it's a WEBPAGE
19:16.30patterJAVASCRIPT
19:16.37enoufGRAH
19:16.48abrotmanbless you?
19:16.55assasukassehow do i check which prog is locking my soundcard
19:16.58patterjust use the direct link I posted or copy the 'if download failed' link from the page into wget
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19:17.05enoufguzundheit
19:17.41abrotmanassasukasse: lsof or fuser
19:18.00enoufi bet it's libflash
19:18.11abrotmani bet it's your mom
19:18.12assasukasseenouf: i bet too
19:18.12abrotmanruns
19:18.20pem3v78I'm having problems with laptop webcam using uvcvideo driver. skype works great while other kde apps don't. I'm using fglrx driver. Ekiga says that screen driver is unable to support any video mode. Should I enable something in Xorg ?
19:18.21enoufgrah
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19:18.57assasukasselsof | grep /dev/snd?
19:19.22mirakpatter: this works but the filename is sasc-ng_debian.3.tar.bz2?format=raw
19:19.36patterso? rename the file
19:19.44mirakpatter: lol
19:19.48patteror use the -O 'output file' option
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19:20.07mirakpatter: just wanted to know if there was another way. ok
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19:31.43assasukasseenouf: i cant see what blocks it but i was using flash when happened
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19:31.47stevenduboiswhat package should i install to have a basic X installation? xorg?
19:31.54assasukassei killed iceweasel and still no sound
19:32.04assasukasselooked for any java zombie but nothing
19:32.26abrotmanstevendubois: yes
19:32.43abrotmanassasukasse: lsof | grep dev/dsp shows ?
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19:36.25stevenduboishmm, apt-get update is stuck at 99% waiting for headers
19:36.27stevenduboisodd
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19:37.27abrotmanhit ctrl-c and do it again
19:37.33stevenduboisi did
19:37.35abrotmanand use aptitude
19:37.37stevenduboiswait
19:37.40stevenduboisits done
19:37.44stevenduboisbut that was weird
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19:39.07assasukasseabrotman: simply nothing...waits forever
19:39.37abrotmanit should only take a moment
19:40.04Ward1983erm i have a MAC adress consisting of 16 pairs :s wtf
19:40.10assasukasseabrotman: i suppose too..so i dunno what is going on
19:40.11Ward1983how can i fix that?
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19:40.18rahsputinhello, i am trying to bring up icewm via xvesa, as explained http://www.captain.at/programming/icewm-xvesa/   the only catch is that i dont boot from cd, i have debian "sarge" install. is an expirenced or interested user here that can help me set up ?
19:40.50rahsputini have installed icewm and xvesa already
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19:40.53assasukassewell i restart X
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19:41.37prolixhello debianites
19:42.19rahsputinhello
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19:42.37rahsputinhello ooooooo the debianites
19:42.56stewrahsputin: is there a reason you installed sarge and not etch?
19:43.42rahsputinlol, we had this before stew i am running a laptop that will not boot a 2.6 kernel
19:43.45prolixi installed the wrong driver/ndiswrapper combo for my intel mobile gl960 chipset.  after checking the driver vista was using, i found out there was a native driver so ndiswrapper wouldn't be necessary.  but now when i make the driver and try to ./wlan0up, i don't get any error messages, but my wireless isn't working.  do i need to uninstall the other erroneous driver+ndiswrapper and if so, is there a place where i could read how to?
19:43.58prolix2.6.18 on debian etch
19:44.15stewrahsputin: did you try an etch installer? did you try a kmuto installer?
19:44.21rahsputinyes
19:44.37rahsputinkmuto ? never heard of it  stew
19:44.37stewrahsputin: what happened with kmuto?
19:44.50stewrahsputin: /msg dpkg kmuto
19:45.02rahsputinstew: i install with floppy netinstall
19:45.14stewrahsputin: i know
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19:46.25stewrahsputin: perhaps you have a problem related to intird and should try a custom 2.6 kernel that doesn't need an initrd
19:46.30stewrahsputin: have you tried that yet?
19:47.03rahsputinstew:my hardware is old and not new
19:47.11stewrahsputin: i know
19:47.39rahsputinstew: not yet
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19:48.26rahsputinstew: i have found that my graphiccard works fine with xvesa
19:48.38rahsputinon a different dist.
19:49.55stewrahsputin: i'd recommend trying a custom 2.6 kernel to see if you can get your machine upgraded to etch
19:50.06stewrahsputin: do you need help compiling a custom kernel?
19:50.50rahsputinstew: i dont even know my graphic card
19:51.01stewrahsputin: you don't need to know
19:51.03rahsputinstew: lspci doesnt work in debiAN
19:51.07rahsputinOK
19:51.38rahsputinstew: yes i do need help to compile a custom kernel ;)
19:51.53stewrahsputin: /msg dpkg kp
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19:52.43stewrahsputin: when you run make menuconfig, you need to make sure that the drivers for your root filesystem (ext3?) and the driver for your ide card (or at least IDE generic) are compiled directly into your kernel (*) not as a module (M)
19:53.05stewrahsputin: and then you DON'T want the --initrd option to make-kpkg
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19:53.57stewrahsputin: it would be much better for you to get onto etch than to be trying to get help here with an unsupported version of debian running an xserver that isn't in debian with a window manager you compiled from source
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19:54.56benjamindeesrahsputin, what is your laptop model again?
19:55.35rahsputinstew: and if i install etch and it doesnt work again ( Toshiba Satellite 110CT / 99MHz / Pentium / 40 MB RAM )
19:55.42benjamindeesrahsputin, did you try the 'chips' video driver?
19:56.03justinvesa should work, that is what I used to use on my p1 laptop
19:56.07rahsputini mean the 2.6 kernel
19:56.18rahsputinvesa doesnt work
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19:56.26justinthough FWIW, I ran 2.4 because the pcmcia didn't work under 2.6
19:56.27stewbenjamindees: does that x server come with a chips video driver?
19:56.34benjamindeesthe vesa driver has been downgraded to 2.0-compatible cards only recently
19:56.45benjamindeesstew, *shrug*
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19:56.54kenjysome one here use debian etch like a desktop distro?
19:57.03stewkenjy: many people
19:57.05benjamindeeskenjy, sure
19:57.06fedyais there a package for asterisk 1.4?
19:57.19stewfedya: http://packages.debian.org/asterisk
19:57.46stewfedya: there is not for etch, aka stable.  if you are running etch: /msg dpkg ssb
19:57.53fedya1:1.2.13~dfsg-2etch3
19:57.55benjamindeesstew, etch has a chips driver
19:58.00rahsputinbenjamindees: i havent tried chips yet
19:58.07kenjystew: Im thinking in use it for my sister, but I don't know if debian with gnome can be a correct choice
19:58.09stewbenjamindees: he's not running etch, nor is he running xorg nor is he running xfreee
19:58.18fedyayea im running etch, how could i install an unstable one i guess
19:58.27stewfedya: /msg dpkg ssb
19:58.53kenjystew: because she wanna see movies, listten music etc ... I don't know if debian offere codecs, java etc ...
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19:59.31benjamindeesstew, well, he was running etch the last time I told him to try the chips driver...
19:59.50fedyastew: it's saying something about source, is it going to install the source package? i wanted the binar
20:00.19stewfedya: yes, you have to compile it from source, as there is no binary package for 1.4 compiled against the libraries in etch
20:00.27rahsputinbenjamindees: i have had etch twice, but it always >>froze<< after reboot ( after install
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20:00.48fedyaoh isee, how would i go about creating a deb since im about to compile it from the latest source anyway
20:01.18rahsputinbenjamindees: as long as i have a 2.4 kernel everything is ok, above that boot up freezes
20:01.22stewkenjy: debian doesn't offer non-free codecs.  debian comes with a free implementation of java, sun's java isn't included in debian (though debian distributes it separately).  debian doesn't offer any way to watch encrypted dvds
20:01.38stewdpkg: tell fedya about ssb
20:01.58kenjystew: is there a way to implement all of this in debian by my hand?
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20:02.06stewkenjy: yes
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20:02.18kenjystew: is there a alternative repository or something?
20:02.29stewkenjy: yes
20:02.32MoDaXkenjy: but /msg dpkg multimedia
20:02.57stewkenjy: you can get sun java from debian via non-free: /msg dpkg non-free
20:03.18benjamindeesrahsputin, then I suggest you start with Sarge using 2.4 and find out why 2.6 doesn't work.
20:03.26kenjystew: and firefox, flash, all the video codecs etc ... ?
20:03.35JemtGreetz. Is there some way I can determine whether an APT-GET install was successful using a command line tool? I'm building a shell script to automate a installation procedure, and I would like to generate an error in a log file when something went wrong - and maybe take action if neccessary
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20:03.42benjamindeesrahsputin, Sarge supports both;  everything since then only supports 2.6
20:03.47Jemtsuccessfully*
20:03.56MoDaXkenjy: firefox=iceweasel, flash is in non-free, w32codes is in debian-multimedia.org
20:03.58Jemtsuccessfully installed*
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20:04.35fedyastew: do i remove the sid line from sources.list when im done?
20:04.42rahsputinbenjamindees: i stops like right in the beginning of boot like after 5 lines, last 2 lines savedefaults and boot then its frozen, i've tried acpi=off and others .... but it all did work
20:04.56stewfedya: it doesn't matter.  the 'deb-src' line is only used when installing source, not when installing binaries
20:05.12kenjytnks MoDaX
20:05.16stewJemt: apt-get will exit with a non-zero status if it was not successful
20:05.39fedyai thought sid was older than etch?
20:05.43Jemtstew: Oh, nifty. Is that available using a variable or something like that ?
20:05.51stewJemt: $?
20:06.07bdilleyHi, i'm trying to setup nfs-user-server on a machine to export a directory that will be mounted on other machines. (I have to use nfs-user-server over nfs-kernel-server because i don't have control over the kernel... it's in a virtualized environment and someone else handles that).  I've setup a ton of NFS servers before... but this one is giving me problems... i have:  /home client-ip-here(rw,no_root_squash) in exports.. and all attempts to mount it
20:06.09Jemtstew: Yes, something like that
20:06.16bdilleyis there anything different/new/whatever about nfs-user-server ?
20:06.25Jemtstew: Maybe I should ask: How do I get the error code ?
20:06.26stewfedya: no, sid is 'unstable' which is where new, possibly untested software is uploaded
20:06.34stewJemt: the name of the variable is "$?"
20:06.38rahsputinIf i make a dist-upgrade to etch will i still be able to run sarge from grub
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20:06.55Jemtstew: Oh - that simple. Thanks :D
20:07.02stewJemt: for instance, compare the output of "grep -q doesntexist /etc/passwd ; echo $?" to "grep -q root /etc/passwd ; echo $?"
20:07.30stewrahsputin: no
20:07.40rahsputinARGHH
20:08.01stewrahsputin: and upgrading to etch is not as simple as 'dist-upgrade', there are many steps involved
20:08.07Jemtstew: Ah, yes - I see what you mean. This is awesome - thank you so much. Really saved my day :D
20:08.26stewJemt: you're welcome
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20:15.01smokanNågon som kan hjälpa mig med hur jag kan kolla om den hittar mitt trådlösa?
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20:15.59Eulexsmokan, #debian.se if you want to speak swedish
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20:19.16xinmingIs there a way to set a package not manuall installed please?
20:19.43JemtGreetz. Is it possible to write an IF statement on just one line in a shell script? Something like:   if [ $? != 0] apt-get install libgnomevfs2-extra --assume-yes
20:19.59Jemtxinming: "set a package not manuall" ??
20:20.14EulexJemt, if [ condition ]; then blah; fi
20:20.30EulexJemt, just replace every newline with a ;
20:20.34JemtAh, I still have to end it using fi - thanks
20:20.44bdilleyHi, i'm trying to setup nfs-user-server on a machine to export a directory that will be mounted on other machines. (I have to use nfs-user-server over nfs-kernel-server because i don't have control over the kernel... it's in a virtualized environment and someone else handles that).  I've setup a ton of NFS servers before... but this one is giving me problems... i have:  /home client-ip-here(rw,no_root_squash) in exports.. and all attempts to mount it
20:20.46bdilleyis there anything different/new/whatever about nfs-user-server ?
20:20.55jamiejacksonhow does one find out more about a package than what "apt-cache search ant-optional" yields?
20:20.57JemtEulex: Okay, that also explains my question about where to use ; :)
20:21.02xinmingJemt: eg. I ever installed gnome, which will pull in gnome-terminal, And after I try to use apt-get install gnome-terminal, there is a line which says, set gnome-terminal to be manually installed
20:21.17jamiejacksoni'm interested in "which" libraries ant-optional includes, for instance
20:21.25stewJemt: or, "command1 || command2"  <-- command2 will only get executed if command1 fails.  you can also use && if you want command2 to execute if command1 succeeds
20:21.32EulexJemt, :)
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20:22.06stewjamiejackson: "apt-cache show ant-optional" shows more.  "apt-file list ant-optional" lists all files in the package (if you have installed apt-file and run "apt-file update")
20:22.10Jemtstew: Are, great! That's exactly what I need :D
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20:22.38Jemtxinming: Okay, never tried that one before - sorry
20:23.03xinmingJemt: thanks anyway for your attention. ;-)
20:23.09Jemtxinming: :)
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20:23.42stewxlotlu: man apt-mark
20:23.50stewerr
20:23.54stewxinming: ^^^
20:24.10xlotluthank you
20:24.28rahsputinStew benjamindees  i got it runnning with xvesa and this command : Xvesa -ac -screen 1024x768x8 r & DISPLAY=:0 icewm-session
20:25.26xinmingstew: thanks, that's what I want. :-)
20:26.20xlotluwth, noacpi is not enough to disable acpi anymore?
20:26.29jamiejacksonthx, stew. that helps, but it doesn't show me much about what "options" are in ant-optional. i realize that this is not the purview of debian, but it would be useful to find even more information than apt* provides. is there some standard way to find out more details in a package, or does one have to hunt down the author for details?
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20:27.58stewjamiejackson: you can look at the source with "apt-get source packagename"
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20:29.12fedyaapt-get build-dep asterisk
20:29.14Eulexjamiejackson, /usr/share/doc/pkgname/ would perhaps be interesting
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20:29.19fedyaE: Couldn't find package libc-client2007-dev
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20:29.42fedyaor actually this is more informative: E: Build-Depends dependency for asterisk cannot be satisfied because the package libc-client2007-dev cannot be found
20:29.49Eulexfedya, attempting a simple sid backport?
20:29.50The-Shadow/usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory <> how to get those files back?
20:30.23Eulexfedya, that library isn't in etch, so you'll have to backport that one before you backport asterisk.
20:30.37fedyaEulex: yes sir, i figured i'd just use lenny source looks like it's asterisk 1.4.17 in both trees
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20:31.18stewjamiejackson: for ant-optional,  you can also just lookup what that includes at apache.org
20:31.20fedyacould i just try to satisfy the dependencies it spit out at me when i tried apt-get -b source asterisk?
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20:31.57Eulexfedya, perhaps, which are you referring to?
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20:33.06stewjamiejackson: also check /usr/share/doc/ant-optional and the ant-doc packages
20:33.12fedyahttp://pastebin.com/d1e95a93c
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20:33.51rahsputinwill i still be able to install "Sarge" packages after today stew ?
20:33.59Eulexfedya, you certainly don't need to backport all of that.
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20:34.12|Dede|I need to install "lshw" what do I need to do?
20:34.14stewfedya: you need to backport libc-client2007-dev
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20:34.21stewrahsputin: yes, but they won't be supported
20:34.26The-Shadowapt-get install lshw
20:34.32|Dede|ty
20:34.38StroggWhat module do you need loaded to get the stuff in /dev/input to work right?
20:34.42Eulex!tell |Dede| about search
20:34.42Lycurgusis there a debian subversion package?
20:34.45rahsputinstew:  great !!
20:34.51The-Shadowlenny/sid?
20:34.52StroggLycurgus: yes.. it's called subversion
20:34.53fedyaapt-get source libc-client2007-dev ?
20:34.58stewLycurgus: yes, named subversion
20:35.01stewfedya: /msg dpkg ssb
20:35.01EulexLycurgus, yes, and it's named subversion
20:35.19LycurgusStrogg, et. al: Acknowledged/Thanks.
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20:35.26The-Shadowany way to recheck the files of a package and to replace them if missing?
20:35.37abrotmancheck them fro what?
20:35.37The-Shadowsince sum jerk deteled some GCC files, cant compile :(
20:35.50stewThe-Shadow: 'debsums packagename' to check.  'aptitude reinstall packagename' to reinstall
20:35.51abrotmanThe-Shadow: you can use debsums to see which are missing .. or just reinstall gcc
20:36.05The-Shadowtried reinstalling gcc :/
20:36.15abrotmanand it errored?
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20:36.24abrotmanwhich error are you trying to fix?
20:36.34StroggI've got an X problem.. X can't see my mouse.. I have one plugged in..  running X -configure set it to /dev/input/mice, which does exist, but it still doesn't work.
20:36.36The-Shadow/usr/bin/ld: crt1.o: No such file: No such file or directory
20:36.36jamiejacksonthx stew and Eulex
20:36.59stewStrogg: how is your mouse connected?  ps2? usb?
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20:37.09Stroggstew: it's a ps2 connection
20:37.16The-ShadowE: I wasn't able to locate file for the gcc package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package
20:37.17The-Shadowaww
20:37.18EulexStrogg, try /dev/psaux
20:37.38StroggEulex: I tried that as well... no luck
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20:37.47stewStrogg: make sure the "psmouse" kernel module is loaded.  you should probably be using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" instead of X -configure
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20:38.21Stroggstew: I tried that reconfigure as well.. but it used the same result.  I didn't realize that I still needed the psmouse kernel mod.. I thought the input stuff replaced that.
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20:38.25Strogglemme give that a shot
20:38.37muh2000does bind9 have ldap support?
20:38.38|Dede|How do I send messages to another user logged in? Using bash
20:38.51stewStrogg: it used to be that you didn't need the psmouse kernel module because debian compiled into all kernels, now it doesn't
20:38.57Mazingarohi
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20:39.10Mazingaroplease is there a way to decrypt a pgp disk?
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20:39.57SerajewelKSThe-Shadow: you need to reinstall the gcc package you're using.  dpkg -l gcc\*
20:40.06SerajewelKSThe-Shadow: figure out which one you're using and reinstall that one
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20:40.32stewThe-Shadow: crt1.o comes from libc6-dev (according to dpkg -S)
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20:40.41stew|Dede|: man write
20:40.43The-Shadow4.2.1
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20:41.07stewMazingaro: with gpg --decript ?
20:41.33stewmuh2000: run "apt-cache show bind9" and see if it lists libldap in its 'Depends:" line
20:41.39stewerr decrypt*
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20:42.01The-Shadowstew:libc6-dev is already the newest version.
20:42.26muh2000stew hmm not supported :/
20:42.35stewThe-Shadow: does "/usr/lib/crt1.o" exist?
20:42.45The-Shadowno
20:42.56stewThe-Shadow: then libc6-dev needs to be reinstalled
20:43.07The-Shadowmy users access was wrongfully setup and abused :( lost some files cuzz of a jerk
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20:44.11The-Shadowaptitude reinstall devc6-dev didnt help much either :x
20:44.25stewThe-Shadow: try "aptitude resinstall libc6-dev"
20:44.32stewerr reinstall*
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20:44.48prolixhow would i find the full name of all kernels installed on debian etch?
20:44.57The-ShadowE: I wasn't able to locate file for the libc6-dev package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package.
20:45.19stewThe-Shadow: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6-dev"
20:45.52stewprolix: "aptitude search \~ilinux-image"
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20:46.02prolixstew: thanky you
20:46.08The-Shadowstew: http://revpermin.com/pastebin/view.php?id=230
20:46.34stewThe-Shadow: the problem is that you are running testing/unstable, but your sources.list is pointing to stable
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20:47.12The-Shadowit all worked fine befor,  im trying to compile the same source i compiled befor
20:47.24The-Shadownot since i got 'hacked' that i have these shit problems
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20:47.33The-Shadowalready fixed mysql, apache, user settings and some more
20:47.34pleedWhat could  be the reason that i dont get any security updates in etch anymore? i have the security repository in my sources.list
20:47.38The-Shadowgcc i the last one
20:47.48abrotmanpleed: show us your sources.list
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20:48.08prolixwhen i try: dpkg --purge --force-remove-essential kernel-image-1.6.11-4-686 i get dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove kernel-image-2.6.22-4-686 which isn't installed.
20:48.24abrotmanso what's the problem?
20:48.31prolixi don't want it to be an option in the boot menu since it won't boot
20:48.47pleedabrotman: http://nopaste.php-quake.net/23227
20:48.49abrotmanwhy do people want to force everything
20:48.55stewThe-Shadow: you are going to need to upgrade to the latest testing,  right now your sources.list is pointing at the current version of debian, which you are no longer running, you need to fix this before you'll be able to reinstall libc6-dev
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20:49.14abrotmanpleed: looks fine .. which security update aren't you getting ?
20:49.16prolixi don't have a problem coaxing it out, but i don't know how to coo a program, just yet.
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20:49.28The-Shadowwheres the sources.list? :p
20:49.34The-Shadownever uses it
20:49.35stewThe-Shadow: "man sources.list"
20:49.47pleedabrotman: i didnt get any package since a week when invoking apt-get dist-upgrade
20:49.53stewThe-Shadow: what is this machine used for?  does it expose services to the internet?
20:49.53pleedabrotman: my lists are updated
20:50.00The-Shadowits a dedi
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20:50.18abrotmanpleed: it's only going to update the packages you have installed
20:50.21abrotman!dsa
20:50.21dpkgit has been said that dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or  Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers
20:50.40stewThe-Shadow: then you should have it reinstalled.  testing is not appropriate for internet facing servers, since it is not guaranteed to be up to date security wise
20:50.55fedyaif i were to justinstall from source, there' not a way to uninstall that is there?
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20:51.08The-Shadowi know, but i like messing around with dev stuff :p
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20:51.29pleedabrotman: maybe you re right, but it was a bit strange that there was no update... i think it was more than a week
20:51.32stewpleed: check the recently released security packages at http://security.debian.org, tell us if you have any of the 4 packages installed which have been updated in the last week
20:52.09The-Shadowstew: updated sources.list by removing the #'s befor the unstable lines
20:52.10The-ShadowW: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.nl.debian.org unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nl.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
20:52.17stewThe-Shadow: you should not run unstable
20:52.31The-Shadowim not gonna resetup my server again
20:52.35stewThe-Shadow: then run testing
20:52.39abrotmanserver? unstable?
20:52.45xlotluhow do i build a package that misses debian/control (but has a control.in)?
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20:52.52pleedstew: abrotman no i havent, thanks
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20:53.07abrotmanpleed: you'd probably want to subscribe to either the DSA mailing list or RSS feed
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20:53.19pleedabrotman: i am subscribed to DSA
20:53.19The-Shadowstew: i just have 1, besides it seems to work fine so far ;o i just want gcc to work again
20:53.30prolixwould commenting the obselete kernel out in the /boot/grub/menu.lst work to take it off of the boot menu?
20:53.40abrotmanyes
20:53.40prolixand if so, what happens to the resulting extraneous data?
20:53.43stewThe-Shadow: gcc should work fine again after you have either upgraded to the current testing, or reinstalled stable
20:53.49abrotmanprolix: why odn't you just remove it
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20:54.02prolixabrotman: because i don't know how and thank you for the previous answer.
20:54.02stewprolix: have you run "update-grub"?
20:54.11prolixstew: no, i haven't
20:54.20Eulexprolix, you remove the package associated with it
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20:54.22abrotmanprolix: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image*
20:54.26stewprolix: you should.  and you shold not use '--force-___' options to dpkg
20:54.30The-Shadowit has been upgraded to most recent i could get, and it worked fine it  just has some files missing
20:54.30abrotmanprolix: remove the ones you want ..
20:54.51stewThe-Shadow: what version of libc6-dev is installed now?
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20:55.08stew!info libc6-dev testing
20:55.22The-Shadowno idea
20:55.25stewThe-Shadow: check
20:55.26prolixwhen i run update grub:  Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-4-686
20:55.29dpkglibc6-dev: (GNU C Library: Development Libraries and Header Files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2.7-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 3313 kB, Installed size: 13184 kB
20:55.36abrotmanprolix: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l linux-image* .. paste that somewhere
20:56.06prolixabrotman: i'm looking at the table now
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20:59.00msanDoes anyone know what file I need to edit so that the debian source that I got using apt-get will be a version higher then what is there in Testing already ?  This way it will not get over written at the next update ?
20:59.27abrotmanhuh?
20:59.41stewmsan: debian/changelog, the recommended way to edit it is with "dch --nmu" which will bump the version number for you.  dch is in devscripts
20:59.59msanstew:   thanks.
21:00.18stewmsan: then if you really want to prevent it from being upgraded, put the package on hold: /msg dpkg hold
21:00.31prolixdpkg -r kernel-image-2.6.22-4-686  ?
21:00.31dpkgremoves kernel-image-2.6.22-4-686 along with a pound of flesh from prolix's body, then staples prolix back up with a staple gun.
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21:00.55prolixheh
21:01.04stewprolix: as of 2.6.12, debian kernel images for linux would be named "linux-image-$version" not "kernel-image-$version"
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21:01.20prolixstew: thank you :)
21:01.36msanI'm trying to get gnus on my system, but it doesn't support emacs22 yet, so I'm building it on my own and adding that support in.
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21:02.23stewmsan: emacs22 includes gnus
21:02.32arglebarglehi, after using debian I have noticed that my sshd times out my connections after about 5 minutes of idle time. I have changes ClientAlive* and restarted SSHD. I am toggling the incorrect setting can someone help me configure SSHD so that connections never time out?.
21:02.47jaunnyconfigure is asking XML::Parser, what should i do?
21:02.53prolixthank you kind people :)
21:02.58prolixca marche
21:02.59stewarglebargle: its not sshd but some firewall (probably a NAT firewall) which is killing the connection
21:03.13stewjaunny: what are you trying to do?
21:03.17arglebarglestew: I am only using iptables
21:03.25msanstew: it does ?
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21:03.30msandoes the one handed clap
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21:03.46jaunnyXML::Parser perl module, trying to compile pitivi
21:03.47stewmsan: "M-x gnus"
21:04.09rahsputin!paste
21:04.09dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
21:04.14stewjaunny: what version of debian are you running?
21:04.33jaunnyetch, how can i know exactly
21:04.35msanwell well welll what d'ya know !! so it does.
21:05.00msanjaunny: cat /etc/debian_version
21:05.13stewjaunny: in general, perl packages for Foo::Bar would be in packages named libfoo-bar-perl or libfoo-perl
21:05.15jaunny4.0
21:05.37stewjaunny: you could also consider backporting the version of pitivi from unstable: /msg dpkg ssb
21:06.05msan4.0 is Etch.
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21:06.14msanmine just says lenny/sid
21:06.29Folk_Theoryyo people
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21:06.40xlotluany place where i can find an older kernel? they seem not to be on snapshot.debian.net
21:06.42abrotmanstew: my dad just sent me an email about going up to acadia via sloop
21:06.45Folk_Theoryis it better to use apt-get or aptitude?
21:06.51abrotmanxlotlu: they are there
21:06.53prolixdo other files depend on /etc/debian_version, or can it be modified to show the toy story character's name?
21:06.59abrotmanFolk_Theory: in most cases .. aptitude
21:07.03Folk_Theorythanks!
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21:07.49Folk_Theoryany of you ever tried debian BSD or debian GNU/HURD?
21:07.56abrotmanthere are channels for both
21:08.20stewabrotman: mine are ditching their ketch in favor of a trawler
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21:08.36abrotmana trawler? a huge power fishing boat?
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21:08.43Folk_Theoryahh right
21:08.44Folk_Theorysorry
21:09.00msanabrotman:  you wouldn't know what those channels are would you ?  I tried #debianbsd but that wasn't it.
21:09.07fedyadebian:/usr/src/zaptel-1.4.1# modprobe ztdummy <-- wouldn't i need to do insmod to make sure it's loaded after a restart?
21:09.15abrotman!debian/bsd
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21:09.17abrotmanargh
21:09.19abrotman!hurd
21:09.19dpkghurd is probably a POSIX compatible collection of servers that run on the GNU Mach microkernel, it is the core of the GNU system, see http://hurd.gnu.org, or a HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons. http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/ for Debian GNU/Hurd or /join #hurd on irc.freenode.net
21:09.31debianfedya: think so
21:09.46abrotmanmsan: the debian-bsd channel might be on irc.oftc.net
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21:10.01fedyadunno why this install guide would say to modprobe
21:10.08Folk_Theoryi found #debian-hurd on here
21:10.15abrotmanfedya: no .. use modprobe
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21:10.32fedyawhy?
21:10.39stewfedya: neither insmod nor modprobe would make it load after a reboot, and you should pretty much never be using insmod
21:10.40abrotman!insmod
21:10.41dpkgSorry, that command doesn't exist.  Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load.  NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6.  Use modprobe.  Did we mention "modprobe" yet?.  Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer
21:11.00vltHello. I'm running Debian on a NAT router. Is the Debian kernel able to send answers to packets coming in from a non-default gateway and that are DNATed to a server in the local network back to the right gateway?
21:11.10xlotluwow. my gpu fan kicked in at 125 degrees celsius
21:11.47fedyaoh geez, how do i get them to load at restart
21:12.13stewfedya: list them in /etc/modules
21:12.24fedyathx
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21:12.30debianabrotman: I have registered the nick debian
21:12.33jaunnyid did /msg dpkg backports, add sid in sources.list and did what is writen, something has been compiled, what mean install the resultant debs
21:12.57abrotmandebian: that's just silly
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21:13.04debianabrotman: Why?
21:13.42fedyathat's funny
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21:14.22prolixmy /etc/modules only has one word in it, loop.
21:14.46fedyaso does mine
21:14.53fedyai added ztdummy to the bottom of it just now
21:15.04xlotluprobably because it shows you're a ..umm.. not seasoned to everybody except the not-seasoned .. that will read your lines in awe and most likely do silly things
21:15.25stewdebian: you are inappropriately responding to people that are not intending to address you.  please stop.
21:16.02jaunnywell.. configure is working now, make, make install , pitivi => Can't find glade module
21:16.50debianstew: Sorry
21:17.24debianstew: Were you intending to adress me?
21:17.50debianSorry
21:17.53debianI was rude
21:17.59debianI apologize
21:18.04stewdebian: if you cannot tell when someone is and someone isn't, then either keep quiet or choose a new name
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21:18.56Folk_Theoryis debian a bot?
21:19.13stewFolk_Theory: no
21:19.14Folk_TheoryOMG!! Debian apologized!
21:19.17Folk_Theorydebian should never apologize
21:19.24Folk_Theorydebian does no wrong
21:20.15debianWhy does everyone think I'm a bot?
21:20.27Folk_Theorycos you failed a CAPTCHA
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21:20.38stewdebian: do you ahve a debian related question?
21:20.50xlotluit's an AI bot, but rather more A than I
21:20.56debianstew: I try to answer people with debian problems
21:21.20stewdebian: so far the only answer i have seen you try to give was an incorrect one
21:21.32debianstew: Doh
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21:26.23stalker314314what is debian's equivalent of /etc/inittab (I want to put program there, so when it quit it respawns it again)
21:26.33abrotmanstalker314314: /etc/inittab
21:26.33stalker314314i remember inittab on slackware
21:27.25stalker314314maybe it's because I have ubuntu, but I don't have /etc/inittab:/
21:27.36stewstalker314314: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu
21:27.37abrotmanstalker314314: hint .. ask #ubuntu
21:27.45stalker314314and guys from #ubuntu tells me to use session:)
21:28.04stalker314314so I thought you guys know a little bit better
21:28.13abrotmanbut it's Ubuntu .. ask them
21:28.22stalker314314ok
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21:31.36keith4is putting something into inittab ever a good idea? I've always used monit
21:31.49atixhello
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21:32.00gokhancsshi all
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21:33.16atixI have a problem with my dns addresses. where can I change them?
21:33.35abrotman/etc/resolv.conf
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21:34.13atixbut, whern I restart my pc, old configs come back.
21:34.19keith4you're using dhcp?
21:34.24atixyes
21:34.47keith4you need to futz with /etc/dhclient.conf then
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21:35.36bk__whats the tool called to autoconf x.org?
21:35.47keith4atix: you should be able to supersede the dns servers
21:35.51atixok, I should edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
21:35.58dimirbk__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xort
21:36.06dimirxserver-xorg
21:36.30keith4atix: read the man page for dhclient.conf. you can override anything you want
21:36.34keith4or prepend it
21:36.39stalker314314keith4: didn't know for monit, tnx (btw, i found what I need to do - it's all in /etc/event.d)
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21:37.14atixthanks guys.
21:37.15keith4/etc/event.d? stupid ubuntu
21:37.54bk__dimir: thanks
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21:40.55tdnI am trying to access an encrypted LUKS volume on an external USB hard drive. When I run "sudo cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda1 sdata" I get this error: "Check kernel for support for the aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 cipher spec and verify that /dev/sda1 contains at least 133 sectors. Failed to read from key storage" I think that I have the right modules loaded.
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21:41.45bk__im stilling having trouble making gutsy use my full monitor (yes i know, its gutsy, but have you been in #ubuntu?)
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21:43.21abrotmanbk__: ask #ubuntu
21:43.23tdnHow do I check what's wrong? I have Googled the error message, but only found a single bug report on Ubuntu's Launchpad, but nothing that came up with a solution.
21:43.34bk__abrotman: impossible..
21:43.47bk__rather #x.org
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21:44.08abrotmanbk__: if you persist asking here about ubuntu you will be banned
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21:44.52Tramptdn: cat /proc/crypto and check, that you have aes and sha256
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21:45.30qwengphello!
21:45.50qwengpis the following draw correct for the way i want to connect 2 phones and adsl? http://download.yousendit.com/CE32D94633CBB762
21:46.00tdnTramp, I have those. My /proc/crypto is here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1107.html
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21:46.27abrotmanqwengp: how is this a Debian question ?
21:46.44tdnTramp, I have multiple with name: aes, but I don't know if that is ok?
21:47.18qwengpor you can see here
21:47.18qwengphttp://pastebin.com/m6524bbac
21:47.23qwengpwell networking question
21:47.24qwengpwhatever
21:47.51abrotmanqwengp: then ask #networking
21:48.02Tramptdn: this should be ok, the one with the highest priority gets used in this case. Although I don't know this geode_aes module
21:48.20tdnTramp, okay. I have a geode CPU.
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21:48.35internat85does debian have a check install type thing that goes and verifies all installed packages?
21:48.44abrotmandebsums
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21:49.22tdnTramp, is that a problem?
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21:50.06Tramptdn: I have no idea, what a geode CPU is. But I don't think so.
21:50.30tdnTramp, it is a small CPU. Often used in embedded systems.
21:50.51TrampYeah. Just googled it so I don't have to die an idiot 8)
21:51.16Supaplexw/o geode, my network would suffer :p
21:51.52Supaplexhas a gedoe running his openwrt-x86 box - it's brick-proof! 8)
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21:52.33tdnSupaplex, have you tried using LUKS/cryptsetup on a geode?
21:53.34Supaplexnot in the last decade
21:53.41Tramptdn: sorry then. You appear to have the required kernel/module support. No idea what is wrong then.
21:54.31tdnTramp, okay. Each time I try to do a luksOpen there is a delay on about a few seconds after I have entered the passphrase, before I get the error.
21:54.46tdnTramp, how can I check that I have those needed 133 sectors?
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21:56.53Tramptdn: fdisk -l /dev/sda - though I have never seen this error before.
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21:58.03Tramptdn: Does "cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda1" give an error? or does it show the correct parameters for your encrypted device?
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21:59.09Zeltaso when does Debian 1.0 come out
21:59.43prolixwhat does #make install-strip do?
22:00.34Trampprolix: I'd guess it installs and strips the binaries.
22:00.47stewZelta: never, 1.1 was released in 1996
22:00.57Zeltaoh
22:01.25prolixTramp: is it recommended to strip the debugging info?
22:01.59Trampprolix: It saves a lot of space (and probably a tiny bit of loading or even runtime). And the debugging information is rarely needed
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22:02.24prolixTramp: would there ever be a circumstance where the debugging info would come in handy?
22:02.42prolixTramp: and if you decide not to answer, thank you for the answers you already gave.
22:02.49Trampprolix: Of course. In case you need to run a debugger and need the symbols
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22:03.40prolixTramp: thank you :)
22:04.10azaze[l]Hi. I have a problem with mono and debian etch. I don't know how i can to write in the path...:(
22:04.17Trampprolix: np
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22:15.05Jota-Rhi, regarding the IM Sniff, I've installed it but no logs are generated... is it necessary to install it on gateway machine?
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22:21.31wij32hey guys. ive got an old laptop and decided to stick debian on it as it was struggling with windows. Im doing a net install, just installing the base system at the moment. What do I need just to get a lightweight desktop like flux?
22:21.31damogam i the only one who has huge fonts on openoffice?
22:21.38wij32i dont tink i need kde or gnome?
22:21.41wij32think*
22:21.56wij32desktops sit on top of X is it?
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22:22.05amphiyes
22:22.33wij32does X come with base system? so il only need flux?
22:22.39wij32or i need to apt-get X?
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22:22.58themilldamog: no... there's an "interface zoom" setting hidden in the "View" section iirc that I have set to 80%.
22:24.01themilldamog: Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice.org -> View -> User Interface -> Scaling.
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22:29.44starscallingright
22:30.14starscallingso i was thinking that there should be a package that deletes all extra dir's and redoes all configs back to standard... leaving ssh in of course
22:30.25starscallingthis way i wouldnt have to reinstall so much ; ;
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22:32.13stewstarscalling: which package do you need to redo the config for?
22:32.31starscallingstew: oh i dont right now
22:32.34starscallingjust in general
22:32.44starscallingi work at a data center now, so i do a lot of deracking and installs
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22:33.23starscallinghm
22:33.46starscallingactually before i remember i canceled a package install halfway through, and had to reconfigure dpkg -a or so
22:33.56starscallingwould that go through and reconfig everything?
22:35.29damogthemill: sweet, thanks.
22:35.33themillnp
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22:38.58stewstarscalling: probably 'dpkg --configure -a' would would not reconfigure every package
22:39.12stewstarscalling: and it sounds like you don't want to just reconfigure packages but to reinstall them with confnew
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22:39.40starscallingstew: yeah thast exactly what i want
22:39.44starscallingthats
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22:40.14lerohi. i installed vim and now i can see the changelog.Debian.gz under /usr/share/doc/xxx/. How can i scroll down the "++- lines" ?
22:40.36leros/++-/+--
22:41.15stewlero: zo
22:41.30stewstarscalling: but if you really wanted to do this, why not just reinstall completely?
22:41.44starscallingstew: some servers are a real bear to install to
22:41.52stewstarscalling: why?
22:41.56starscallinghave problems booting from say usb cdrom gotta be internal
22:42.17starscallingand then sometimes we dont have a good one on hand for tha type
22:42.20starscallingscsi for instance
22:42.31starscallingplus its much more work to derack etc
22:42.51lerostew: hmm.. zless work too :) thanks.
22:43.13starscallingi'm thinking perhaps there's a package to take an inventory on install, backup confs and whatnot
22:44.31stewstarscalling: what is the difference between that and just backing up everything?
22:44.55starscallingstew: again backing up everything i might have a bit of trouble redoing it
22:45.12starscallingrestoring it
22:45.15stewstarscalling: how is what you are describing different than backing up everything?
22:45.27starscallingdoesnt need to backup all packages
22:45.31starscallingjust make list of whats installed
22:45.34starscallingand backup configs
22:45.39starscallingshould be much smaller
22:45.54stewstarscalling: cp -a /etc /somewhere/else
22:45.55wij32im trying to do netinstall in its saying "failed to dtermine codename for release" on the base install section...
22:45.57wij32any ideas?
22:46.10stewwij32: which installer are you using?
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22:46.21starscallingstew: but if its going from one dedi customer to another would also need to wipe home and restore groups
22:46.25starscallinghm
22:46.30starscallingguess shadow is in /etc...
22:46.36wij32stew: um...the one that came with the download
22:46.45stewwij32: which download?
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22:46.49wij32one sec
22:47.00starscallingbut thats a good starting place i spose....
22:47.15wij32small cd net iso
22:47.21wij32i386
22:47.30stewwij32: which version?
22:47.38stewwij32: or where did you download it from?
22:47.45wij3240r3?
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22:48.55wij32http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
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22:50.41stewstarscalling: wait are you saying that you are reclaiming a server from a customer, then trying to give it to another customer without reinstalling it from scratch?
22:51.36stewwij32: at what point in the install does it tell you this?
22:51.44wij32installing the base system
22:51.58wij32its now saying debootstrap warning, failure while config required packages
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22:52.59starscallingsigh
22:53.07starscallingi'm thinking about it here...
22:53.11stewwij32: you are using the ~150mb netinst or the ~30mb businesscard
22:53.14wij32arg! saying failing to determine codename for the release again
22:53.16wij32150mb
22:53.21starscallingi think that my idea isnt gonna work. in case of back doors and the like
22:53.28stewstarscalling: that would be a horrible idea. the first cusomer roots the subsequent customers
22:53.31starscallingguess i'll just have to put up a pxe server
22:53.44starscallingstew: exactly
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22:58.34leOnsince i've been using etch i noticed something a little different in the way network interfaces are being managed. Firstly i noticed that while having a configured box with one eth card eth0, if i switched the card (removed that one and placed another in its place), i'd started having an eth1 interface ... much like the way windows does it's device management
22:59.00stewleOn: /msg dpkg z25
22:59.56leOnyeah .. i know about the udev thing .. that's the way i've been solving the problem
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23:01.22leOnthe thing is that i've been doing some server virtualization using xen, using the already existing systems ... i.e. i'd backup the system and then deployed it with the --tar option in the virtual machine creation
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23:02.06Kamping_Kaiserso remember to blow away the relevent file before doing it. i'm sure theres other changes your making
23:02.17leOnand apparently xen gives a new mac address (unless specifying otherwise - forcing a mac add) to the VM network device each time the VM boots
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23:03.10leOnso, i've been not only using udev persistant rules on the host systems, but also on the guests systems ... which is a real pita
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23:03.45leOnisn't there any way to turn that feature off?... like, if there's only an eth device on the system, it will be eth0, period
23:03.47fairway1is there a free software in debian to fax over SIP (VoIP) ?
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23:04.32leOnfairway1: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Hylafax
23:05.17fairway1thanks
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23:06.12leOnKamping_Kaiser: so i should be cleaning out that file each time i boot the damn machine?
23:06.26leOnthat sounds a bit of a hack ...
23:07.22\amethystleOn:  remove the /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules link
23:07.25leOni see a line on /etc/udev/persistent-net-generator.rules that has to do with xen
23:07.56leOnbut for some reason in the migrated systems it's still applying the rules
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23:12.28AbortRetryFailok, i've got to ask in here too for the heck of it: Does anyone use the ATI fglrx drivers and have a dual-head setup or a rotated monitor?
23:12.34leOnwhere does udev get the SUBSYSTEM information ?
23:12.44AbortRetryFailthere's no xrandr support for rotation in fglrx, but i'm wondering if there's another way (slow is ok)
23:13.03dvsle0n: udevinfo?
23:13.19AbortRetryFailleOn: i think /sys/class/ but udevinfo will definitely work :P
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23:14.09Ssam`hey, the shutdown buttom isnt working
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23:14.43dvsacpi module installed?
23:14.53leOnwhat i'm trying to figure out i way isn't the information that it's NOW a xen subsystem
23:14.55Ssam`dont know what that is
23:15.07Ssam`apt-get install acpi?
23:15.17leOnxen hooks should have taken care of it
23:15.18dvslsmod | grep acpi
23:15.38leOns/way/why/
23:15.57Ssam`nothing shows up
23:16.10Ssam`you are talking to me right?
23:16.17leOncould be enough for a bug report if that's the problem
23:16.30AbortRetryFaille0n: did you build the xen Dom0 kernel without sysfs support?
23:16.40dvsSsam`: that's why the power button isn't working.  Try "modprobe acpi" as root
23:16.44leOnAbortRetryFail: i'm using debian packages all the way
23:16.55Ssam`okay
23:17.05AbortRetryFailis sysfs mounted?
23:17.09leOnyep
23:17.14AbortRetryFailwell that rules that out.
23:17.15Ssam`one more thing people ask me to lsmod | this and that....what is ls mod?
23:17.26amphiSsam`: man lsmod ;)
23:17.28AbortRetryFaillsmod lists loaded kernel modules.
23:17.34AbortRetryFailalso yes: man lsmod
23:17.37amphiSsam`: it lists modules loaded into the running kernel
23:17.42dvsno, pinfo lsmod ;-)
23:17.49amphiheh
23:17.54Ssam`ahhh
23:18.16Ssam`i was wondering why the computer wasnt shutting dow
23:18.17Ssam`n
23:19.10Ssam`FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device
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23:19.25leOnAbortRetryFail: the thing is that even though it's a --tar install, xen still runs the hooks to set network configurations, machine name, password, etc .. and it should change something that would allow the VM udev to be able to ignore mac address changing
23:19.28dvso_O
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23:20.22leOnSsam`: what cpu is it?
23:20.28Ssam`P4
23:20.31dvsDuron? ;-)
23:20.43leOndoesn't surprise me
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23:21.14AbortRetryFailyou're changing the mac address of the network device and you DON'T want the VM to know about it?
23:21.35leOnAbortRetryFail: no no .. i'm not changing any mac address
23:21.42amphiSsam`: you want to modprobe p4_clockmod IIRC
23:22.14leOnmy VMs access the network via vlan'ed bridges
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23:22.32AbortRetryFailok that sounds about the same as the way i had mine set up.
23:22.41Ssam`how do i memorize this for the next time i install debian......is this in the cache search when u type shutdown?
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23:22.57Ssam`FATAL: Error inserting p4_clockmod (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/p4-clockmod.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
23:23.38leOnwhat i've observed is that the VMs net devs changed their macs .. probably the bridges do also ... i actually didn't pay attention to that part
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23:24.19amphiSsam`: what does 'dmesg | tail -n10' say? don't paste it in here; pastebin if you think there are several interesting lines
23:24.35amphiSsam`: if there's one relevant line, paste it in here
23:24.43AbortRetryFailheh i wish my xen test machine wasn't in pieces on the kitchen floor :x
23:25.47Ssam`yep ill use pastebin
23:25.47\amethystleOn:  if they change in a controlled way, you might be able to use the technique from /msg dpkg forcedeth mac
23:25.47leOnthe removal of the symblink does the trick .. but i'm still thinking that it should be fixed. but didn't want to file a bug report without being sure it's a hook problem
23:25.56leOn\amethyst: it's easier to remove the rules file
23:26.00Orion_X11Perhaps this is not a debian issue, but I have had some problems with gutenprint drive. The this is that my epson stylus color 880 only works when I am connected in the internet > localhost 631. Because I think that the testing drive have got a bug.
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23:26.21Orion_X11And this does not work locally
23:26.46Orion_X11Where can I find help about this? Any channel in this server for that?
23:26.47leOni'll try to debug it better tomorrow on my xen test machine
23:26.47noppei've just installed debian testing and i have a problem with my headset. i have onboard sound, an audigy 2zs and a dvb-s card. i set up the audigy 2zs to be default and get sound just fine from the speakers, but no sound via the headset, although the settings in kmix are okay. how do i resolve this?
23:27.51Ssam`http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d29b2e80http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=d29b2e8000
23:27.55\amethystOrion_X11:  I'm not sure I understood that
23:28.10\amethystOrion_X11:  exactly when does it work and when doesn't it work, again?
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23:28.39leOnanyway thanks for pointing me out the obvious solution that i didn't want to see :)
23:29.07Orion_X11When I am root in localhost 631
23:29.28Orion_X11But does not work when I am a normal user
23:30.45\amethystOrion_X11:  could you pastebin the error message?
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23:33.08Ssam`well?
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23:36.59dvsSsam`: what does "uname -r" say?
23:37.44Orion_X11amethyst > I will, in about 2 hours because now I am updating the system. Thanks
23:38.15Orion_X11And my printer is not installed yet
23:38.53leOnwtf?
23:39.18dvs2 hours to update a system?!? 56kbps?
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23:40.09leOnto test, i just removed both the persistent-net rules generator link and the generated rules, on a system i have with only one eth device ... i rebooted and i'm still getting eth1 instead of eth0 ...
23:40.21Ssam`2.6.18-6-686
23:40.25leOnam i missing anything here?
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23:41.37leOngrep -r eth1 /etc/udev/ spits out nothing ...
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23:42.59AbortRetryFailnvidia forcedeth?
23:44.10leOn02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller
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23:44.29AbortRetryFailah
23:44.54AbortRetryFailmy nforce motherboard does the same thing, the two onboard nic's are eth1 and eth2. No idea why, i never bothered to find out.
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23:45.04AbortRetryFailanyways, i'm off!
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23:46.36AbortRetryFailjsut though of something.
23:46.59AbortRetryFailcheck /etc/udev/rules.d/xx-network-devices.rules
23:47.03AbortRetryFailta ta!
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23:48.03Orion_X11dvs: 128kbps
23:48.21dvsclose enough.
23:48.32Orion_X11dvs: I am not lucky as most people here
23:48.58Ssam`lol
23:49.06Bac9anyone know of an rsync based client-server backup system? something where I can run server as root to preserve ownership of files (I don't want to allow root login over ssh)
23:49.09Ssam`try 12 kb download
23:49.40Orion_X11Ssam`: You?
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23:49.55\amethystBac9:  you can use keys and the sshd_config setting  PermitRootLogin without-password
23:50.22Bac9\amethyst: I don't want to permit root login at all
23:50.38Bac9\amethyst: hence I need some client-server setup
23:50.43Ssam`lol yea
23:50.54Ssam`took me like 3 and half hours to download netinst
23:50.57Bac9\amethyst: my current setup isn't rsync based so it lugs the full directory over
23:51.01dvso_O
23:51.13\amethystBac9:  you can also set up the authorized_keys file to only allow particular commands, then use PermitRootLogin forced-commands-only
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23:51.49\amethystBac9:  you can also set up an rsync server
23:51.57Orion_X11dvs: You are a hero.
23:52.08dvshuh? I didn't do it! ;-)
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23:52.22Ssam`lol anyways i still cant shutdown
23:52.35dvsSsam`: does "modprobe apm" work?
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23:53.32Ssam`FATAL: Error inserting apm (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/apm.ko): No such device
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23:53.51Ssam`i have to through the terminal to reboot
23:53.56\amethystBac9: you can search the rsync manual for "STARTING AN RSYNC DAEMON"  and "CONNECTING TO AN RSYNC DAEMON"
23:54.05dvsThen I don't know what it could be.  If it isn't acpi and it's not apm, then what could it be?
23:54.11\amethystBac9:  you might want to run the daemon in a chroot for obvious reasons
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23:54.33\amethystBac9:  man rsyncd.conf  for more information
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