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| 00:01.42 | Ssam` | can i aptitude acpid? |
| 00:01.55 | dvs | !info acpid stable |
| 00:01.58 | dpkg | acpid: (Utilities for using ACPI power management), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-5 (etch), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 176 kB |
| 00:02.04 | dvs | y not? |
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| 00:02.29 | Ssam` | lol i dont noe i started linux like a week ago ur the expert :P |
| 00:02.46 | mxi | hi, the /etc/mtab has permission 644. is it ok to reset the perm to 600? |
| 00:03.01 | Ssam` | i learned so much |
| 00:04.40 | Ssam` | also how do u change ur desktop enviorment from xfce to fluxbox? |
| 00:04.53 | Ssam` | i know how to change it from fluxto xfce |
| 00:05.03 | Ssam` | stopx? |
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| 00:05.51 | curii | just one small question.... "does 'taskset' start counting at cpu0 or cpu1 ? |
| 00:05.53 | Bac9 | \amethyst: thank you for the idea |
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| 00:07.26 | Zemus | HOLEH SHIAT |
| 00:07.30 | Zemus | I have been unbanned! |
| 00:07.32 | Zemus | When did that happen?! |
| 00:07.39 | Zemus | Ops! |
| 00:07.47 | Ssam` | probably while u were away |
| 00:07.47 | Ssam` | :P |
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| 00:08.00 | Zemus | Hmm... This is a distinct possibility. |
| 00:08.06 | Zemus | Who's on staff right now? |
| 00:08.09 | Ssam` | heh |
| 00:08.32 | Ssam` | ummm i dont noe i drop in like 6 times a day to ask about troubles here |
| 00:08.38 | Ssam` | i am pretty sure there annoyed at me |
| 00:08.38 | Ssam` | :P |
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| 00:09.22 | TromBoeZoe | !paste |
| 00:09.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 00:10.41 | Ssam` | me? |
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| 00:14.32 | Zemus | Hey TromBoeZoe, hold still. |
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| 00:15.17 | Zemus | pulls his pants down, spreads his ass cheeks, and takes a great lumpy dump into TromBoeZoe's mouth |
| 00:15.33 | Zemus | Ah. There we are. Now you'll never have to correct anyone again. You'll be too busy pulling shit out of your mouth. ^.6 |
| 00:15.37 | Zemus | Here, let me help you with that. |
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| 00:16.54 | dvs | My graphics are broke. ;-) |
| 00:17.43 | dvs | heh |
| 00:17.51 | Ssam` | heh |
| 00:17.59 | dvs | I scared him away. |
| 00:18.05 | Ssam` | dvs: id love to helpo if i knew how |
| 00:18.07 | Ssam` | lol |
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| 00:18.10 | Ssam` | :P |
| 00:18.18 | dvs | Aw, he's back. |
| 00:18.28 | Ssam` | me? |
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| 00:18.32 | dvs | no |
| 00:18.38 | TromBoeZoe | Zemus |
| 00:18.38 | Ssam` | lol |
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| 00:18.49 | TromBoeZoe | Zemus, what was that about ? |
| 00:18.51 | Ssam` | ugh why cant i reboot |
| 00:18.53 | Ssam` | jeewiz |
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| 00:19.37 | TromBoeZoe | Zemus, what was that about ??? |
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| 00:19.41 | TromBoeZoe | Zemus, what was that about ??? |
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| 00:20.35 | martman | quick question - anyone see why this wont give me a 1MB file? |
| 00:20.35 | martman | dd if=/dev/random of=1.txt bs=1MB count=1 |
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| 00:20.39 | Ssam` | i think the lads trying to flood the channel by the continious joining and leacing |
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| 00:21.20 | dvs | ban him! |
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| 00:21.43 | \amethyst | martman: because /dev/random is rate-limited, and won't give you 1MB in a single read anyway |
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| 00:21.58 | dvs | waits for an op |
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| 00:22.06 | Ssam` | lol this is amusing |
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| 00:22.08 | azeem | dvs: he's +q |
| 00:22.14 | dvs | uh oh |
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| 00:22.27 | Ssam` | anyone got bots |
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| 00:22.38 | dvs | der you go. |
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| 00:22.50 | Ssam` | whats a +q |
| 00:22.58 | dvs | QUIET!!!! |
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| 00:23.07 | Ssam` | acpid wont download |
| 00:23.15 | Ssam` | arghhh! |
| 00:23.19 | martman | \\amethyst happen to know how much i can get from /dev/random at once |
| 00:23.21 | dvs | y not? |
| 00:23.29 | Ssam` | i dont noe it says 0kb |
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| 00:23.39 | martman | heh, didnt even know slash was other way... |
| 00:23.40 | Zemus | takes a shit into dvs's mouth |
| 00:23.42 | Zemus | ahh~ |
| 00:23.51 | dvs | oh...op? |
| 00:23.56 | Zemus | dvs, you are devilishly kinky... |
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| 00:23.58 | Ssam` | how do u hide ur ip |
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| 00:24.14 | TromBoeZoe | martmann what about dd if=/dev/random of=1.txt bs=1000 count=1 |
| 00:24.32 | azeem | Ssam`: please keep it on topic |
| 00:24.47 | Ssam` | ugh fine man...why cant i get a shutdown option |
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| 00:25.21 | dvs | Ssam`: not sure. Is it enabled in the BIOS? |
| 00:25.25 | amphi | Ssam`: it won't shutdown if you do 'shutdown -h now' as root, in a term? |
| 00:25.31 | dvs | That shouldn't make a difference though. |
| 00:25.32 | Ssam` | nope |
| 00:25.32 | martman | TromBoeZoe du -h still says its 4k |
| 00:25.34 | Ssam` | dude i tried |
| 00:25.36 | Ssam` | :( |
| 00:25.47 | \amethyst | martman: not very much without blocking. if you need large amounts of random data, it's much better to use /dev/urandom |
| 00:25.58 | Ssam` | p4 is a i686 right? |
| 00:26.05 | dvs | yup |
| 00:26.14 | Ssam` | amphi: i cant even seem to download acpi! |
| 00:26.28 | amphi | Ssam`: what happens when you try to shutdown from a term? |
| 00:26.50 | martman | yay, more random data, almost a meg |
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| 00:26.54 | martman | but still not a meg |
| 00:26.57 | martman | (984k) |
| 00:27.00 | Ssam` | it gives me options |
| 00:27.05 | Ssam` | like syntax |
| 00:27.08 | \amethyst | martman: do you mean a meg as in 1024*1024 bytes? |
| 00:27.23 | dvs | \amethyst: is there any other? ;-) |
| 00:27.23 | martman | \amethyst yeah |
| 00:27.39 | azeem | Ssam`: so read the shutdown manpage |
| 00:27.48 | martman | well, there are megabits too |
| 00:27.49 | \amethyst | martman: then use M instead of MB |
| 00:27.55 | martman | like what drive are measured in |
| 00:28.04 | martman | aaah |
| 00:28.04 | martman | thanks |
| 00:28.06 | Ssam` | its not helping |
| 00:28.12 | Ssam` | dont you think i did that already |
| 00:28.23 | dvs | MiB are the only real measurements. |
| 00:28.27 | azeem | Ssam`: what command did you run? |
| 00:28.31 | \amethyst | martman: MiB is also a valid abbreviation, but not mentioned in the manpage |
| 00:28.43 | Ssam` | even when i click on the gui it gives me a log out option reboot and shutdown are unclickable |
| 00:28.50 | Ssam` | though i am able to reboot through terminal |
| 00:29.17 | dvs | Ssam`: are you logged in as root by chance? |
| 00:29.23 | quad3d-dbi | anyone have problems with portmap going away from time to time? |
| 00:29.30 | Ssam` | nope |
| 00:29.35 | Ssam` | user |
| 00:29.39 | Ssam` | should i log in as root |
| 00:29.41 | Ssam` | ? |
| 00:29.48 | dvs | Ssam`: no |
| 00:29.54 | Ssam` | i dont think you can join debian as root |
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| 00:30.14 | dvs | Ssam`: you can but we'll hack you. ;-) |
| 00:30.27 | rgr | could anyone suggest why I only see xine as an option for output engines in amarok on debian lenny? |
| 00:30.48 | dmilith | it should be +b for *!root@* |
| 00:30.57 | dmilith | um |
| 00:31.03 | dmilith | *!*root@* |
| 00:31.12 | Ssam` | lol |
| 00:31.14 | dmilith | ;} some people doesn't use identd |
| 00:31.23 | Ssam` | ull hack a 12 kb/s connection? |
| 00:31.24 | Ssam` | lol |
| 00:31.38 | Ssam` | wouldent u be like....for the love of God hurry! |
| 00:31.52 | dmilith | Ssam`: why not? ;} if You have good porn.. |
| 00:31.53 | dmilith | ^^ |
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| 00:32.16 | Ssam` | lol.....ever tried watching porn in links |
| 00:32.17 | Ssam` | ? |
| 00:32.18 | Ssam` | lol |
| 00:32.28 | Ssam` | its like cosmopolitan |
| 00:32.43 | dmilith | ... |
| 00:32.49 | dmilith | i was joking dude.. |
| 00:32.54 | Ssam` | me to |
| 00:32.55 | Ssam` | lol |
| 00:32.56 | Ssam` | duh |
| 00:32.57 | themill | !ot |
| 00:32.57 | dpkg | i heard ot is Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 00:33.10 | dmilith | themill: :} agreed |
| 00:33.17 | Ssam` | nods! |
| 00:33.22 | Ssam` | anyways |
| 00:33.27 | Ssam` | my shutdown thingy |
| 00:33.50 | Ssam` | i dont have an inittab |
| 00:33.55 | Ssam` | could that be it? |
| 00:34.42 | themill | !tell Ssam` about enter |
| 00:35.08 | Ssam` | Severe ADHD |
| 00:35.37 | dmilith | did anyone try linphone? did anyone know examples of it's API usage? |
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| 00:37.24 | amphi | Ssam`: you have no /etc/inittab? |
| 00:37.40 | dmilith | lmao? |
| 00:37.47 | dmilith | how it could be possible? |
| 00:38.00 | amphi | it can be possible |
| 00:38.04 | dmilith | without this file there's no way to pass through init |
| 00:38.20 | amphi | Ssam`: what branch of debian are you using? |
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| 00:38.24 | Ssam` | oo i do ....probably typed it wrong the first time |
| 00:38.31 | Ssam` | Debian? |
| 00:39.12 | Ssam` | also id like to login in X |
| 00:39.22 | amphi | Ssam`: yes, debian - etch, lenny? |
| 00:39.33 | amphi | Ssam`: ok |
| 00:39.40 | Ssam` | you lost me....i think etch |
| 00:39.52 | Ssam` | the latest one i downloaded like 3 days ago |
| 00:40.01 | amphi | dmilith: I think ubuntu now uses some other system - thus my suspicions were aroused ;) |
| 00:40.14 | dvs | Ssam`: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:40.16 | amphi | Ssam`: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:40.19 | amphi | heh |
| 00:40.24 | dvs | amphi: liar! |
| 00:40.34 | Ssam` | 4.0 |
| 00:40.39 | maxs_ | I need to know how to find out if my debian install will automount a usb harddrive |
| 00:40.39 | dvs | etch |
| 00:40.45 | Ssam` | you could have asked met hat mate |
| 00:40.46 | dvs | etch |
| 00:41.09 | Ssam` | so no logical explaination of why i cant shutdown |
| 00:41.11 | amphi | maxs_: why wouldn't it? |
| 00:41.24 | dvs | Ssam`: besides the BIOS possibility, no |
| 00:41.39 | Ssam` | well i am able to shutdown on windows |
| 00:41.50 | amphi | Ssam`: what do you mean, can't shut down? it doesn't power off? or the shutdown aborts? |
| 00:41.56 | dmilith | amphi: i'm using runit.. it's interesting too |
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| 00:42.04 | Ssam` | no shutdown option |
| 00:42.08 | dvs | amphi: power button doesn't work |
| 00:42.16 | Ssam` | u click shutdown it gives me a logout option the other two are unclickable |
| 00:42.18 | Ssam` | Xfce |
| 00:43.04 | amphi | Ssam`: what about doing (as root), 'shutdown -h now' ? |
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| 00:43.43 | Ssam` | nope it gives me syntax |
| 00:43.45 | Ssam` | i can reboot |
| 00:44.23 | cafuego | What exact command are you running when it gives you the Syntax message? |
| 00:44.30 | Ssam` | though i can only do it through terminal and i cant seem to download acpi |
| 00:44.34 | rgr | I am experimenting with gxine. Why would its volume control be modifying the master volume and killing all other simultaneous sounds? |
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| 00:44.52 | Ssam` | shudown -h i tried all the other options as well |
| 00:45.06 | cafuego | 'showdown -h' is indeed now valid. |
| 00:45.12 | arooni | anyonme familiar with resolvconf ? what interfaces do i want to apply it to? |
| 00:45.14 | cafuego | 'shutdown -h now' would be |
| 00:45.26 | cafuego | s/now valid/not valid/ |
| 00:45.27 | Ssam` | ill try |
| 00:45.34 | Ssam` | if i disconnect you know it worked |
| 00:45.40 | cafuego | knows it works |
| 00:46.02 | amphi | heh |
| 00:46.10 | dvs | I didn't work. ;-) |
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| 00:46.50 | cafuego | puts a 1 in the inability-to-read-manpage column |
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| 00:48.20 | maxs_ | amphi, I've got a failing external harddrive and I don't want to turn it on without knowing I'll be able to try to get data off of it.. I don't know where in /dev it would get put to in the first place |
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| 00:48.26 | Ssam` | you just know that worked |
| 00:48.38 | amphi | of course |
| 00:48.47 | cafuego | I knew it work work even before you tried it. |
| 00:48.48 | Ssam` | so why can i only shutdown as root |
| 00:48.58 | cafuego | Ssam`: Becase that's how it works. |
| 00:49.01 | amphi | maxs_: /dev/sdX |
| 00:49.03 | Ssam` | and why dont i get that option in the gui |
| 00:49.24 | cafuego | How are you starting X? |
| 00:49.28 | cafuego | via 'startx' ? |
| 00:49.30 | Ssam` | startx |
| 00:49.41 | amphi | maxs_: if you tail the log as you plug it in, you'll see what device it is |
| 00:49.45 | Ssam` | yea i want it to start thought like a gui login |
| 00:49.48 | cafuego | Yah, it'll do it if you run from xdm or gdm or kdm |
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| 00:50.01 | Ssam` | okay you lost me mate! |
| 00:50.13 | amphi | Ssam`: install xdm |
| 00:50.15 | cafuego | install gdm, login using gdm, magic shutdown item |
| 00:50.23 | Ssam` | oh okay |
| 00:50.45 | dvs | no, kdm. ;-) |
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| 00:50.59 | Bac9 | \amethyst: what's the package name for the rsync server? I can't seem to find it |
| 00:51.16 | \amethyst | Bac9: it's a special mode of rsync |
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| 00:51.35 | rgr | running xine (and xine only) all faces seem to be a purpley tinge any ideas? |
| 00:51.35 | Ssam` | i am on Xfce so XDM? |
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| 00:52.04 | Ssam` | what if i want to change my gui |
| 00:52.08 | \amethyst | Bac9: man rsyncd.conf will give you more information on how to configure the daemon |
| 00:52.20 | Ssam` | you can have two guis right? |
| 00:52.27 | cafuego | then you change the gui, it has nothing to do with the display manager |
| 00:52.58 | maxs_ | amhi, lemme try to remember.. tail -f follows the end of a file as it's appended to.. but which is the apropriate log? |
| 00:52.58 | Ssam` | like i have fluxbox on this as well but when i clicked Xfce i cant seem to get back to fluxbox |
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| 00:53.27 | Ssam` | initx only lets me on fluxbox till the Xterm is open |
| 00:53.57 | \amethyst | Bac9: set up an /etc/rsyncd.conf file, then /etc/default/rsync to say RSYNC_ENABLE=true (or set it up with inetd, your choice) |
| 00:54.30 | \amethyst | Bac9: in the rsyncd.conf you can configure the network settings, whether to chroot, the user to run as, and so on |
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| 00:55.53 | \amethyst | Bac9: also, you might want to look at the --fake-super command-line option ("fake super" in rsyncd.conf). It lets you store ownership and permissions without being root |
| 00:56.07 | Ssam` | hold on ill reboot login through xdm |
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| 00:56.59 | \amethyst | Bac9: I think that needs extended attribute support on the server's filesystem |
| 00:57.28 | \amethyst | Bac9: but ext3 and XFS, at least, have supported that for a while (at least, with the right mount options) |
| 00:57.55 | arooni | help! who knows how to do static configuration of networking? i've edited /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail ........ and ran: sudo resolvconf -u ... and the changes show up in /etc/resolve.conf ..... BUT, i can't make any outgoing requests! what am i doing wrong??? |
| 00:58.08 | wij32 | in the guide it says "genkernel all" will take a while...how long do you think? like an hour? |
| 00:58.17 | Bac9 | \amethyst: oh, it's in rsync package with the client |
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| 00:58.34 | raj__ | yeah dsl, amirite |
| 00:59.25 | rgr | how to discover which files were installed in a debian package from the command line? |
| 00:59.30 | Bac9 | \amethyst: thank you |
| 00:59.55 | \amethyst | Bac9: it is in fact the same binary as the client :) |
| 00:59.57 | azeem | rgr: dpkg -L <package> |
| 01:00.18 | rgr | thanks |
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| 01:00.40 | arooni | anyone? can someone please help me to enable dhcp? |
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| 01:01.03 | luquee | exist similar interface in debian to smit backup |
| 01:01.08 | luquee | in aix |
| 01:01.13 | cafuego | what? |
| 01:01.23 | cafuego | Can you repeat that in english? |
| 01:01.46 | Caelum | smit is the sysadmin tool in aix |
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| 01:02.15 | cafuego | Oh, a pretty ncurses thing or somesuch? |
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| 01:02.54 | arooni | my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastie.caboo.se/176939 ... what should i do to enable dhcp? simply change: iface eth0 inet dhcp? |
| 01:03.20 | rgr | holy cow. the start of the esd daemon is hard coded in gnome-session! |
| 01:03.32 | jim | you also need a dhcp client installed |
| 01:03.38 | cafuego | arooni: yes |
| 01:03.54 | arooni | cafuego, anyh other changes i need? |
| 01:03.59 | jim | you also need a dhcp client installed |
| 01:04.02 | Caelum | yup |
| 01:04.09 | arooni | jim, how do i get one of those? |
| 01:04.11 | luquee | There some way of generating a similar backup operating system style aix smit mksysb |
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| 01:04.23 | jim | well you might already have one |
| 01:04.33 | arooni | jim, ok how can i check |
| 01:04.42 | jim | try your net |
| 01:04.44 | Tramp | arooni: and don't ask stuff simultanously in different channels |
| 01:04.56 | arooni | Tramp, folks in here weren't answering |
| 01:04.57 | jim | you've made that change in the file right? |
| 01:05.01 | arooni | jim, yes |
| 01:05.15 | jim | ok, then save the file, exit and try: |
| 01:05.21 | jim | ifdown eth0 |
| 01:05.26 | jim | ifup eth0 |
| 01:05.34 | cafuego | luquee: unless you tell us what smit backup does, we relly can't say |
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| 01:05.57 | jim | what's one or two things that says when you do it? |
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| 01:06.04 | arooni | jim, how long should sudo ifdown eth0 take? |
| 01:06.04 | arooni | its taking a bit |
| 01:06.32 | arooni | jim, sudo ifdown eth0 still istn working |
| 01:06.38 | jim | it's waiting for the dhcp client to come down (which there isn't one) |
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| 01:06.55 | jim | what was in the file before? |
| 01:07.06 | arooni | my /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastie.caboo.se/176939 |
| 01:07.15 | luquee | :es poder generar un backup booteable en un cd o un tape para poder recuperar el sistema de forma rapida Is able to generate a backup booteable in a CD or a tape to recover the system prompt |
| 01:07.15 | luquee | sorry |
| 01:07.15 | luquee | Is able to generate a backup booteable in a CD or a tape to recover the system prompt |
| 01:07.45 | jim | arooni: ok, stop the ifdown (ctrl-c) |
| 01:07.53 | jim | then restore the file to what it was |
| 01:07.54 | cafuego | luquee: I think there are tools that can create a bootable cd |
| 01:07.59 | jim | then do ifdown eth0 |
| 01:08.10 | arooni | jim, ok ctrl + c doesnt seem to work |
| 01:08.13 | arooni | looks frozen? |
| 01:08.35 | jim | hmm |
| 01:08.37 | arooni | hah great; now i cant ssh in either |
| 01:08.45 | arooni | i guess time to reboot server? |
| 01:08.54 | arooni | via control panel |
| 01:08.55 | jim | is the server local? |
| 01:09.02 | arooni | nope; vps in datacetner |
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| 01:09.18 | jim | ohgawd... yeah, try a reboot |
| 01:09.18 | Ssam` | still dont get the shutdown |
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| 01:09.24 | jim | why dhcp btw? |
| 01:09.40 | jim | btw, the ifdown worked... |
| 01:09.50 | Ssam` | me? |
| 01:09.53 | arooni | jim, earlier i asked: help! who knows how to do static configuration of networking? i've edited /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/tail ........ and ran: sudo resolvconf -u ... and the changes show up in /etc/resolve.conf ..... BUT, i can't make any outgoing requests! what am i doing wrong??? |
| 01:09.57 | jim | you didn't tell me you were using the network to take down the network :) |
| 01:10.07 | cafuego | luquee: But I cannot remember what the utility is |
| 01:10.37 | jim | why dhcp? |
| 01:10.57 | arooni | jim, because i couldnt get static configuration to work right |
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| 01:11.14 | arooni | i did the right things to get it working (See earlier q) but it wasnt |
| 01:11.15 | Ssam` | my shutdown options still wont light up |
| 01:11.21 | jim | it will be necessary to have a dhcp server somewhere in the data center |
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| 01:11.27 | arooni | jim, there is one |
| 01:11.37 | luquee | I can please indicate some tools is to avoid having to re-install and configure a server if you have a disaster and boot with a DVD or tape backup |
| 01:11.43 | jim | has your network admin for the data center said you should use dhcp? |
| 01:12.12 | arooni | jim, yes we can ; encouraged for noobs |
| 01:12.17 | arooni | static is better if you know what you're doing |
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| 01:12.21 | cafuego | luquee: partimage would be a start I think. |
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| 01:12.49 | jim | let's restore the static setup |
| 01:12.53 | cafuego | statis is also better for when the dhcp server dies |
| 01:13.08 | arooni | jim, ok sounds great; id rather use static but even after getting /etc/resolve.conf right it wasnt working |
| 01:13.17 | arooni | ok so i have the old static config i saved |
| 01:13.26 | arooni | and reverted back to it; what should i do next? |
| 01:13.56 | jim | so you were on dhcp a moment ago after rebooting? |
| 01:14.07 | luquee | thanks cafuego |
| 01:14.17 | arooni | jim, yes. i changed to dhcp .. then you told me to: sudo ifconfig eth0 down |
| 01:14.31 | arooni | jim, then that failed ... so i rebooted the server and looged in, reverting to old static setup |
| 01:14.41 | jim | it actually didn't fail |
| 01:14.48 | jim | it took the machine off the net |
| 01:14.58 | jim | very effectively I might add |
| 01:15.05 | arooni | nice |
| 01:15.24 | jim | what you can try is this: |
| 01:15.27 | cafuego | trashes a few Gb of backups |
| 01:15.38 | arooni | how i reverted /etc/network/interfaces back to old version; and ran: sudo ifconfig eth0 down; sudo ifconfig eth0 up; |
| 01:15.43 | Ssam` | cafuego: i still cant shutdown via GUI i installed XDM and logged in via it |
| 01:15.46 | jim | (ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0) |
| 01:15.55 | jim | notice parens and ; |
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| 01:16.07 | jim | if that doesn't work reboot. |
| 01:16.08 | arooni | jim, you mean no parens and ; ? |
| 01:16.24 | cafuego | arooni: running 'ifconfig eth0 up' does not do anyting useful - not assign end IP, not run dhclient. |
| 01:16.46 | arooni | heh ok thanks cafuego |
| 01:17.13 | jim | arooni: type the line exactly as you see it, with parens, with ; |
| 01:17.37 | arooni | jim, ok this is good; now i can at least ssh in |
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| 01:17.59 | arooni | but still... when i try to telnet to an address i get: telnet: could not resolve smtp.gmail.com/587: Temporary failure in name resolution |
| 01:18.05 | jim | do you have resolvconf installed on that box |
| 01:18.17 | arooni | jim, yup |
| 01:18.21 | jim | ok |
| 01:18.34 | arooni | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:19.11 | jim | nono, don't edit any of that stuff |
| 01:19.14 | maxs_ | which /var/log file would get notification of mount/unmounts? kern.log shows me the kernel doing housekeeping on the drive device, when I mount it, but unmounting it shows nothing |
| 01:19.19 | hikimbo | isnt unbelievable that damn small linux and openbsd can detct and let me configure my usb internet modem and debian cant? |
| 01:19.20 | jim | you don't need to change that at all |
| 01:19.26 | arooni | jim, ok ... i must have mis-read the man page |
| 01:19.28 | infinity0 | what does the K / S stuff mean in /etc/rc*.d// |
| 01:19.32 | infinity0 | ?* |
| 01:19.44 | arooni | jim, i am assigned 3 dns servers by my hosting company |
| 01:19.50 | arooni | jim, i was trying to input those |
| 01:20.09 | jim | I recommend you install a caching-only name server and use that |
| 01:20.20 | arooni | jim, i'm down with doing that but i dont know how |
| 01:20.29 | jim | apt-get install bind9 |
| 01:20.32 | jim | is one way |
| 01:20.52 | maxs_ | hikimbo: it's possible that the base configurations of the systems are diferent, no matter what their ultimate power are |
| 01:21.26 | arooni | jim how much extra hard drive space./memory does this take |
| 01:21.32 | maxs_ | it's probably a simple piece of script you're asking for |
| 01:21.43 | arooni | jim, because i cant make outoging requests i cant run sudo apt-get install |
| 01:21.45 | jim | it should tell you when you run that command |
| 01:22.00 | arooni | jim, doesnt tell you cpu / memory concerns |
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| 01:22.06 | cafuego | arooni: Is there any particular reason you need to run a DNS server? Doesn't the hoster have one available? |
| 01:22.22 | jim | probably the documentation/man page will |
| 01:22.24 | arooni | cafuego, yes they do |
| 01:22.25 | Ssam` | or not i gtg ill bbl |
| 01:22.26 | Ssam` | bye |
| 01:22.27 | jim | I have no idea |
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| 01:22.44 | cafuego | arooni: So why not point /etc/resolv.conf at that? |
| 01:22.47 | arooni | cafuego, i just want to be able to make outgoing requests |
| 01:22.55 | arooni | cafuego, i did |
| 01:23.17 | arooni | cafuego, they give you 3 dns name servers; all of which are in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:23.19 | cafuego | What do you mean by making outgoing requests? |
| 01:23.21 | jim | in your interfaces file |
| 01:23.23 | cafuego | nods |
| 01:23.38 | arooni | cafuego, outgoing requests: telnetting, sudo apt-get update, etc... |
| 01:23.38 | jim | you put: dns-nameservers <ip> |
| 01:23.52 | cafuego | arooni: So the DNS servers they gave you don't work? Or what... |
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| 01:24.02 | arooni | cafuego, no i'm sure they do because they worked a bit ago? |
| 01:24.19 | cafuego | Any chance they don't work now because of firewalling? |
| 01:24.35 | cafuego | Just seems odd they'd suddenly stop |
| 01:24.36 | arooni | cafuego, i didnt change my firewall setup between when i tested it 6 hours ago and now |
| 01:24.47 | hikenboot | greetings I would like to configure a setup like this DomU-Run GDM-Run Fluxbox-Run nothing but terminal or firefox. I have setup vncserver but in Dom0 I get nothing but a blank grey screen when I execute vncviewer...is there any directions for doing somthing like this? |
| 01:24.50 | arooni | jim, you'res aying i need to edit /etc/network/interfaces to make it work? |
| 01:24.57 | jim | yes |
| 01:24.58 | cafuego | arooni: Can you do a direct request to one to test it? |
| 01:25.09 | arooni | cafuego, sure if i knew what you meant by direct request |
| 01:25.20 | cafuego | host somehostname dns.ip.address |
| 01:25.43 | cafuego | arooni: that uses the `host' tool to directly query the specified dns server |
| 01:26.07 | cafuego | or `dig somehostname @some.dns.addy' |
| 01:26.08 | arooni | cafuego, i dont have the host tool installed |
| 01:26.17 | cafuego | Ah, that would make it tricky, yes. |
| 01:26.22 | PhrkOnLsh | has anyone had any trouble with kernel 2.6.22-3-486? I just updated to it using apt-get and it borks repeatedly during boot |
| 01:26.22 | arooni | cafuego, and i cant install it currentlY :( |
| 01:26.28 | jim | why won't they let you use apt-get? |
| 01:26.40 | arooni | ok so what should i changeto my : http://pastie.caboo.se/176939 ... to make it work with the 3 dns name servers? |
| 01:26.45 | cafuego | jim: I iamgine the archive won't resolve |
| 01:26.48 | arooni | jim, they would if the damn networking statck will work |
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| 01:27.37 | uski | gs[6677]: segfault at bf62fa22 eip 08144d40 esp bfbb86c0 error 4 |
| 01:27.44 | uski | does that mean it's time to submit a bug report against ghostscript ? |
| 01:27.59 | uski | how can i generate a useful backtrace ? the process is started by cups when i attempt to print something |
| 01:28.01 | cafuego | uski: Maybe. Is your ram OK? |
| 01:28.10 | jim | arooni try this: ping 216.109.112.135 |
| 01:28.19 | jim | from the remote |
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| 01:28.25 | arooni | jim, ok its pinging ok it seems |
| 01:28.30 | uski | cafuego, i hope so, but i'll run a memtest to be sure - i never had any problem though, so it's probably not the RAM |
| 01:28.39 | jim | so the networking stack is working. |
| 01:28.40 | rgr | does anyone know of an interface to beagle search index where I can delete found files? |
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| 01:28.46 | arooni | jim, right but the dns is not |
| 01:28.58 | cafuego | arooni: Can you paste your resolv.conf? |
| 01:29.01 | Tramp | arooni: if you use static conf, you edit /etc/resolv.conf directly, putting in the nameservers your hoster gave you. If you use dhcp, it will adapt your resolv.conf appropriately. In /no/ case will you need the resolvconf-package. So your first step may be, to remove the resolvconf package to make sure it does not interfere with your efforts |
| 01:29.41 | Tramp | imho both resolvconf and nscd create more problems than they solve. |
| 01:29.44 | arooni | cafuego, my resolv.conf http://pastie.caboo.se/176950 |
| 01:29.59 | cafuego | Ok, I see the problem. |
| 01:30.13 | arooni | Tramp, i used resolvconf -u to update this file |
| 01:30.16 | cafuego | arooni: The syntax is incorrect, you need to have lines like "nameserver 12.96.160.115" |
| 01:30.17 | arooni | cafuego, awesome |
| 01:30.19 | cafuego | Not just the IP |
| 01:30.21 | arooni | ah ha! |
| 01:30.31 | arooni | i was told in another channel just the ip is ok |
| 01:30.36 | arooni | bad advice |
| 01:30.45 | cafuego | They lied and/or didn't know what they were talking about. |
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| 01:30.48 | raj__ | yaw. its raj |
| 01:30.58 | jim | where? |
| 01:30.59 | PhrkOnLsh | has anyone had any trouble with kernel 2.6.22-3-486? I just updated to it using apt-get and it borks repeatedly during boot |
| 01:31.12 | cafuego | PhrkOnLsh: borks how? |
| 01:31.22 | arooni | zomg it works now! |
| 01:31.29 | arooni | you guys/gals all rock! |
| 01:31.29 | PhrkOnLsh | it hangs, it fails to start x, it fails to load forcedeth |
| 01:31.34 | jim | now try your apt-get |
| 01:31.45 | PhrkOnLsh | etc etc |
| 01:31.47 | cafuego | PhrkOnLsh: Does it print any errors along the way? |
| 01:31.48 | PhrkOnLsh | just utter chaos |
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| 01:31.57 | jim | try apt-get update |
| 01:32.07 | PhrkOnLsh | no, cafuego, it looks just like my normal boot, 'xept nothing works |
| 01:32.39 | PhrkOnLsh | it'll boot if i hit return everytime it hangs but, as said, no x, no noting really |
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| 01:33.23 | cafuego | PhrkOnLsh: Offhand, boot the old one... and remove it. Is 2.6.24-1 any better? |
| 01:33.37 | PhrkOnLsh | remove which? the old or .22-3? |
| 01:33.43 | cafuego | .22-3 |
| 01:33.51 | cafuego | don't remove the one that works :-) |
| 01:33.55 | PhrkOnLsh | do I need to build 2.6.24-1 myself or is it in apt? |
| 01:33.58 | PhrkOnLsh | ok ;) |
| 01:34.02 | PhrkOnLsh | just checking cafuego :) |
| 01:34.06 | cafuego | Should be in apt if you're on lenny |
| 01:34.10 | PhrkOnLsh | ok |
| 01:34.13 | PhrkOnLsh | sec |
| 01:34.19 | PhrkOnLsh | I'm on the good kernel on the box atm :) |
| 01:34.25 | cafuego | PhrkOnLsh: Any chance /boot is full so you have an incomplete initrd image btw? |
| 01:34.45 | PhrkOnLsh | cafuego: |
| 01:34.54 | PhrkOnLsh | cafuego: nah it's got like 1.6 GB left on drive |
| 01:35.07 | cafuego | 'k |
| 01:35.09 | jim | enteritis |
| 01:35.46 | PhrkOnLsh | getting image... |
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| 01:38.50 | PhrkOnLsh | rebooting, brb |
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| 01:40.46 | raj__ | aw damn, hi |
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| 01:43.18 | luquee | One knows any command similar to mksysb in aix operate in linux |
| 01:46.39 | jim | luquee: so you're talking about a command familiar to people in linux that you want for aix? |
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| 01:50.09 | PhrkOnLsh | cafuego: nope, it shititself too |
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| 02:04.16 | PhrkOnLsh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/155278 |
| 02:04.23 | PhrkOnLsh | looks like this is kinda widespread :( |
| 02:04.35 | PhrkOnLsh | but a few folks I know have a .24-1 working |
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| 02:05.20 | flyinprogramer | alright |
| 02:05.40 | flyinprogramer | how might i go about mounting an HFS+ volume that i just plugged into my machine running debian... |
| 02:06.00 | flyinprogramer | its through a USB adaptor. USB - 2.5" hard drive |
| 02:06.01 | cafuego | mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 02:06.12 | cafuego | repalce sdb1 and mnt as required |
| 02:06.14 | flyinprogramer | its it built in auto magically like that ? |
| 02:06.31 | flyinprogramer | like HFS+ is built in ? |
| 02:06.33 | cafuego | PhrkOnLsh: That looks like Ubuntu bugs |
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| 02:06.38 | cafuego | flyinprogramer: yep |
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| 02:06.42 | weiles | hi |
| 02:06.44 | flyinprogramer | I LOVE LINX |
| 02:06.47 | flyinprogramer | *LINUX |
| 02:06.51 | weiles | me too |
| 02:06.54 | PhrkOnLsh | cafuego: it's looking like it's the same on others too |
| 02:06.58 | weiles | i have a stupid problem |
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| 02:07.23 | weiles | i am trying to install xp on a new partition, but the cd does not boot, although it boots in qemu |
| 02:07.31 | PhrkOnLsh | xen, sb1, amd64 etc etc |
| 02:07.31 | cafuego | flyinprogramer: Well, it may mount read-only depending on your kernel cfg. |
| 02:07.38 | weiles | it boots with a virtual drive, e.g. hda.img |
| 02:07.48 | weiles | but it does not as a real cd |
| 02:07.54 | flyinprogramer | cafuego, that's fine, i just need to copy stuff off the drive |
| 02:08.17 | flyinprogramer | cafuego, how might i go about figuring out what to replace "sdb1" with ? |
| 02:08.21 | weiles | and it does not boot (it hangs after first initialization) with: qemu -cdrom winxp.iso -hda /dev/sda |
| 02:08.21 | PhrkOnLsh | weiles: have you tried ##windows? |
| 02:08.32 | cafuego | flyinprogramer: `dmesg' should have printed some info when you plugged the disk in. |
| 02:08.43 | weiles | PhrkOnLsh, well, wait for the question... |
| 02:08.45 | flyinprogramer | crap - where are the logs for it ? |
| 02:08.57 | cafuego | flyinprogramer: run `dmesg' |
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| 02:09.00 | flyinprogramer | haha |
| 02:09.01 | flyinprogramer | okey |
| 02:09.16 | cafuego | Where is my stapler? |
| 02:09.27 | Nyle | swingline stapler |
| 02:09.32 | Nyle | I think milton has it. |
| 02:09.36 | weiles | know could it be that the partition table stops windows from booting, since i have sda1, sda2 (logical) and after that the space for the primary partition for windows |
| 02:09.55 | cafuego | milton! gimme my stapler! |
| 02:10.05 | Nyle | cafuego, you know office space right? |
| 02:10.11 | cafuego | Nyle: aye |
| 02:10.13 | Nyle | word |
| 02:10.18 | weiles | i mean is it maybe a problem with the logical volume in the partition table or my lvm volume group inside it? i have had xp installed on this setup already |
| 02:10.37 | kamui | damn this screen issue is killing me |
| 02:10.43 | Nyle | what screen issue? |
| 02:10.56 | cafuego | PhrkOnLsh: Is your entire system on lenny? |
| 02:10.57 | kamui | screen command can only create 4 ptys on my linkstation |
| 02:11.03 | PhrkOnLsh | cafuego: yeah |
| 02:11.11 | cafuego | Ok, so it's not udev oddity |
| 02:11.16 | PhrkOnLsh | er, you mean am I dual booting? |
| 02:11.25 | weiles | PhrkOnLsh, i guess that this is not debian specific, but since only my partition scheme of linux has changed inbetween, i guess it has sth. to do with it |
| 02:11.25 | kamui | I don't know why, though, I edited the config file for pty's based on the reading I was doing today, but it wont let me make more than 4 |
| 02:11.30 | kamui | and I should be able to make 4096 |
| 02:11.35 | Nyle | you type too fast |
| 02:11.37 | Nyle | slow down |
| 02:11.42 | PhrkOnLsh | I dual boot, WinVista (which currently doesn't boot ;) lenny and a stock etch holding my grub |
| 02:11.47 | kamui | lol :) |
| 02:12.42 | flyinprogramer | hmmm |
| 02:12.58 | flyinprogramer | what if i need to repair a HFS+ partition |
| 02:13.03 | flyinprogramer | it said write protection was off |
| 02:13.15 | cafuego | flyinprogramer: Then you need commercial utils on a Mac. |
| 02:13.16 | flyinprogramer | in the dmesg, so i assume i can write to the drive |
| 02:13.19 | flyinprogramer | damn |
| 02:13.32 | flyinprogramer | now i need my admins at the school to do what i tell them to do, and not ask questions |
| 02:13.47 | cafuego | flyinprogramer: I recommend DiskWarrior |
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| 02:14.19 | cafuego | Though perhaps the bundled tools in OSX suck less these days, I dunno |
| 02:14.47 | hikenboot | greetings I would like to configure a setup like this DomU-Run GDM-Run Fluxbox-Run nothing but terminal or firefox. I have setup vncserver but in Dom0 I get nothing but a blank grey screen when I execute vncviewer...is there any directions for doing somthing like this? |
| 02:14.50 | flyinprogramer | yah, Disk Util might be able to do it |
| 02:15.03 | flyinprogramer | gah |
| 02:15.06 | flyinprogramer | i mount the partition |
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| 02:15.17 | flyinprogramer | and it said that there's an input/output error |
| 02:15.21 | flyinprogramer | when i list it |
| 02:15.29 | cafuego | hikenboot: You'll need to actually tell VNC to run a terminal or window manager is that's what you want |
| 02:15.47 | flyinprogramer | mount -t hfsplus /dev/sda3 /mnt |
| 02:15.47 | flyinprogramer | ; ls /mnt/; ls: reading directory /mnt/: Input/output error |
| 02:15.50 | flyinprogramer | grrr |
| 02:15.53 | flyinprogramer | suggestions ? |
| 02:16.32 | cafuego | DiskWarriro ;-) |
| 02:16.36 | flyinprogramer | okey |
| 02:16.41 | flyinprogramer | i'll obtain a copy tonight |
| 02:16.42 | flyinprogramer | he he |
| 02:16.47 | flyinprogramer | not that we condone that at all |
| 02:16.51 | flyinprogramer | 1 time use |
| 02:16.57 | cafuego | puts cheese in his ears and sings "LALALALA" |
| 02:16.59 | jim | flyinprogramer: please take something for your enteritis! |
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| 02:17.15 | flyinprogramer | hahaha |
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| 02:17.34 | kamui | damn, apparently I cant create xterms either, this is rediculous |
| 02:17.42 | flyinprogramer | only $100 savings |
| 02:17.42 | flyinprogramer | ope |
| 02:17.58 | cafuego | hikenboot: mkdir .vnc && echo -e "x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title \"$VNCDESKTOP Desktop\" &\nx-window-manager &" > .vnc/xstartup |
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| 02:18.17 | hikenboot | http://pastebin.ca/976325 |
| 02:18.57 | ftp3 | hey.. I need to get debian to see my onboard intel 82566dm lan card... googling, i see i need kernel linux-2.6-2.6.18 or newer.. (i am x64).. i plugged in a 3com card, so I have lan for now.. anyone know a site or something to help me quickly resolve this? |
| 02:18.58 | cafuego | hikenboot: yeah, hat *should* run stuff. if not, check th error log |
| 02:19.07 | hikenboot | what is the nx-window-manger do |
| 02:19.19 | cafuego | hikenboot: that's \n x-window-manager |
| 02:19.42 | cafuego | but yours looks fine |
| 02:19.55 | hikenboot | which error log do you suggest I find no errors but am not sure if i am looking in the right place |
| 02:20.07 | cafuego | is there an ~/.xsession-errors ? |
| 02:20.27 | PhrkOnLsh | so, it looks as if I'm SOL regarding 2.6.24-1? |
| 02:20.32 | cafuego | or a log file in the .vnc dir? |
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| 02:21.41 | dirkson | Heyo all. My debian is currently set to install things from the CD, and ONLY the cd. How do I fix that? |
| 02:21.50 | stew | dirkson: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 02:21.55 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: what exactly is the problem? |
| 02:21.56 | hikenboot | http://pastebin.ca/976331 |
| 02:22.04 | Nyle | stew, hi |
| 02:22.23 | PhrkOnLsh | stew: kernel 2.6.24-1 hangs during boot |
| 02:22.29 | PhrkOnLsh | same per .22-3 |
| 02:22.50 | dirkson | stew: It didn't understand that |
| 02:22.57 | PhrkOnLsh | hangs continually, only boots if I hit enter a bunch of times |
| 02:23.07 | stew | dirkson: which part? |
| 02:23.08 | PhrkOnLsh | dirkson: just type that into channel. |
| 02:23.15 | stew | dpkg: tell dirkson about sources.list |
| 02:23.18 | PhrkOnLsh | dirkson: as a /msg command |
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| 02:24.01 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: a lot of people have mentioned the same. check the bts for the kernel package and for the initrd creator |
| 02:24.09 | dirkson | Stew thanks |
| 02:24.28 | PhrkOnLsh | bts? sory |
| 02:24.31 | PhrkOnLsh | sorry |
| 02:24.51 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: /msg dpkg bts |
| 02:24.56 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: what version of debian are you running? |
| 02:25.09 | PhrkOnLsh | stew: lenny |
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| 02:26.44 | PhrkOnLsh | I'm gonna grab some eats.. bbl |
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| 02:28.17 | enouf | Nyle: sup |
| 02:28.22 | hikenboot | cafuego, I figured it out it was locks I am not sure how I make it so users kill the xvncviewer session without clicking on the X I wonder if there is a way to remove the X so they have to use the shutdown menu option |
| 02:28.48 | Nyle | enouf, I can remember things now |
| 02:29.10 | enouf | better meds? :-P |
| 02:29.12 | Nyle | enouf, its nice to know my car keys are in my pocket now instead of searching for an hour |
| 02:29.21 | enouf | ;-) |
| 02:29.33 | hikenboot | still have a problem firefox doesnt start it flashes on the screen somthing I cant see and then disappears |
| 02:29.40 | Nyle | iceweasel |
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| 02:29.54 | Nyle | unless you downloaded firefox itself |
| 02:30.10 | Nyle | hikenboot, launch it in console and see the output |
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| 02:32.21 | enouf | how do i also get command output (say cat /proc/partitions) into a file along with the cmdline itself? echo -e "\n\ncat /proc/partitions\n\n" > file.txt writes the cmdline to file fine (with some nice spacing), but how to also put into the file, the output of the command? |
| 02:32.38 | kgoetz | enouf: tee |
| 02:32.49 | enouf | ahhh |
| 02:32.57 | hikenboot | Nyle thanks I didnt even know I had installed a console into the basic xdesktop |
| 02:32.59 | enouf | let me try .. thanls |
| 02:33.07 | enouf | thanks even kgoetz |
| 02:33.20 | kgoetz | np |
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| 02:39.45 | PhrkOnLsh | well, bts doesnt haveanything on my kernel o.O |
| 02:40.01 | PhrkOnLsh | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=kernel-image-2.6.24-1-486-di;dist=unstable |
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| 02:43.35 | enouf | kgoetz: heh, couldn't get tee to do it, but this does it (i forgot all about stringing commands, do'h) $ echo -e "\n\ncat /proc/partitions\n\n" > /tmp/FOO.txt ; cat /proc/partitions >> /tmp/FOO.txt |
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| 02:44.21 | Absolute0 | Is there any quick way to remove all packages but the base ones? |
| 02:44.31 | PhrkOnLsh | reinstall from base? |
| 02:44.48 | dirkson | Hey all. What SHOULD /etc/apt/sources.list look like? (Assuming etch) |
| 02:44.58 | enouf | !sources.list |
| 02:44.58 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 02:47.03 | PhrkOnLsh | I guess that's what I should do... :( |
| 02:47.23 | PhrkOnLsh | just install a base debian and config with latest kde3, etc |
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| 02:48.23 | dirkson | enouf: Well, it seems that isn't my problem them : ) |
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| 02:50.55 | dirkson | Hey all! apt-get install Anything doesn't work. What could potentially be going on here? |
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| 02:51.32 | PhrkOnLsh | Anything isn't a package? |
| 02:51.34 | PhrkOnLsh | hides |
| 02:51.36 | enouf | dirkson: pastebin entire output .. got a network conn? |
| 02:52.18 | dirkson | No, nevermind, I fixed it |
| 02:52.22 | dirkson | Too much stuff going on O.O |
| 02:52.32 | streuner | heh |
| 02:53.03 | enouf | see? we help you help yourself ;-0 |
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| 02:53.33 | doublehp | is there a CLI way in X to set NumLock ? |
| 02:54.17 | streuner | !info numlockx |
| 02:54.24 | dpkg | numlockx: (enable NumLock in X11 sessions), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 88 kB |
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| 02:55.18 | curtmack | I should know this, but how do I force dpkg to ignore dependency errors? |
| 02:55.44 | curtmack | I had to install one of the dependent packages manually, don't ask, loooooong story |
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| 02:56.30 | cafuego | --force-depends |
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| 02:57.18 | doublehp | thx |
| 02:57.21 | wilsonicus | hey whenever I close my laptop all network connections are closed (power management I assume) I want to be able to close the lid and have it run as if the box is still open. It is an Apple g4 tibook. Any ideas? |
| 02:57.43 | streuner | that sounds like a case like bobbitt ;-) |
| 02:57.44 | curtmack | thanks |
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| 02:59.08 | Wyzard | wilsonicus: I don't have much experience with the various types of Apple laptops, but a friend of mine used to have a Powerbook that would do that, and there was apparently no way to prevent it from doing so |
| 02:59.34 | wilsonicus | well that blows |
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| 02:59.45 | wilsonicus | I have come to hate apple |
| 02:59.50 | Wyzard | wilsonicus: He looked for info online and found that the laptop actually needed the keyboard open to the air for cooling purposes, and would overheat if it kept running with the lid closed |
| 02:59.59 | Wyzard | wilsonicus: or something like that |
| 03:00.03 | wilsonicus | after owning a G5 and a G4 |
| 03:00.08 | wilsonicus | ah that makes sense |
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| 03:00.23 | wilsonicus | thanks maing |
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| 03:12.56 | RyanRyan52 | I want a list of all of my mailman lists. How can I get that? |
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| 03:15.16 | stew | RyanRyan52: list_lists |
| 03:15.52 | RyanRyan52 | huh? whats the full URL? |
| 03:16.09 | stew | RyanRyan52: /usr/sbin/list_lists |
| 03:16.24 | awesomess3 | Anyone want to join my game server? It's netmaze. apt-get install netmaze and then join my game: netmaze -texture -server 72.160.104.52 -name YourName |
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| 03:16.30 | RyanRyan52 | oh...I was thinking the web GUI...that works better though. thanks. |
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| 03:16.50 | stew | awesomess3: wrong channel |
| 03:16.54 | awesomess3 | I'm thinking about playing WoW...but I don't want to install 3GB.. |
| 03:17.06 | awesomess3 | stew: is there a gaming channel? |
| 03:17.51 | stew | awesomess3: i don't know. try #defocus |
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| 03:18.54 | mactimes | Hi. I'm having trouble trying to format partitions on a new sata disk. I'm able to create new partitions, etc. but I can't format it with mkfs.ext3. Already looked around and googled for it, but the only match I found for the same issue didn't have a solution. |
| 03:19.13 | stew | mactimes: why can't you format? |
| 03:19.25 | mactimes | Here is the error message if anyone can help: "/dev/sdb1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!" |
| 03:19.52 | enouf | being used as swap from a livcd? |
| 03:20.04 | mactimes | Sure not. |
| 03:20.19 | mactimes | It's a new server. |
| 03:20.25 | mactimes | Installed a week ago. |
| 03:20.32 | enouf | installed what? |
| 03:21.04 | mactimes | It has 3 sata disks, all are exactly the same model, bought all together. |
| 03:21.47 | Supaplex | and with the mtbf, they could all go in a few days of each other too! how fun is that? |
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| 03:22.07 | dondelelcaro | Supaplex: so long as they're not the same batch, it shouldn't be a big deal |
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| 03:22.24 | dondelelcaro | (any good systems integrator will pull drives from different batches for a machine) |
| 03:22.42 | Supaplex | yup. that's why I mention it. :) |
| 03:23.13 | mactimes | enouf: Running Ubuntu Server, but it doesn't seem to be Ubuntu specific issue. |
| 03:23.39 | enouf | mactimes: try ##linux and #ubuntu please |
| 03:23.42 | dondelelcaro | mactimes: it may not be, but this is #debian. |
| 03:23.54 | mactimes | enouf: Already tried. |
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| 03:24.07 | dondelelcaro | mactimes: try their forums, then. |
| 03:24.58 | mactimes | dondelelcaro: Sorry for disturbing. Just making a question related to disks, not distro-specific issue. |
| 03:26.25 | Lagbolt | mactimes, if the error is "in use by system" it sounds like you are trying to format the root drive |
| 03:26.28 | dondelelcaro | mactimes: no problem; this is just a distribution specific channel, so if you're not using Debian, even general questions aren't on topic here. |
| 03:26.49 | dondelelcaro | (anyone who wants to help mactimes is free to do it in /msg or on ##linux or #ubuntu) |
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| 03:28.21 | mactimes | dondelelcaro: Right. Don't need to be rude, pal. Just came here to ask because debian users seem to have further knowledge regarding system problems instead of GUI problems. Don't bother anymore, already leaving. GL> |
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| 03:33.44 | wilsonicus | is there any reason that the basic stuff needed to write C/C++ code is not included? |
| 03:33.47 | wilsonicus | err |
| 03:34.04 | Akuw | i need to use a bash to do the following |
| 03:34.12 | Akuw | i have this xml file |
| 03:34.18 | streuner | wilsonicus: in essential? |
| 03:34.32 | Akuw | <file>pic01.jpg</file> ..... and so on |
| 03:34.40 | streuner | why it should be, some people just dont need to compile |
| 03:34.49 | stew | wilsonicus: yes. its not necessary in most cases. if you need it, install the build-essential package |
| 03:35.08 | streuner | stew: are you an echo? |
| 03:35.10 | Akuw | so i need to make ls and put all pic.jpg creating one <file> pic.jpg </file> |
| 03:35.34 | Akuw | hhow can i save each name file in a var ? |
| 03:35.46 | wilsonicus | streuner: well shouldn't the world conform to my will? |
| 03:36.03 | wilsonicus | streuner: thanks for reminding me how self-interested and selfish I am |
| 03:36.11 | wilsonicus | I think I needed an ego blast |
| 03:36.19 | streuner | heh |
| 03:36.37 | \amethyst | Akuw: I didn't understand the second part ("put all pic.jpg creating one <file> pic.jpg </file>") |
| 03:36.40 | Akuw | $var1 = pic01.jpg var2 = pic02.jpg |
| 03:36.57 | \amethyst | Akuw: from the XML file or from the current directory? |
| 03:37.02 | Akuw | so i can create the xml file with each file name into |
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| 03:37.07 | Akuw | current dir |
| 03:37.14 | \amethyst | Akuw: oh, you're creating the XML file? |
| 03:37.19 | Akuw | yeah |
| 03:37.24 | \amethyst | Akuw: then you can use something like files=(*) |
| 03:37.39 | \amethyst | Akuw: and refer to them as ${files[0]} ${files[1]} etc |
| 03:37.49 | \amethyst | Akuw: ${#files} would be the number of files |
| 03:38.03 | Akuw | hummm |
| 03:38.04 | \amethyst | Akuw: err, that should be file=(pic*.jpg) probably |
| 03:38.05 | Akuw | let me see |
| 03:38.31 | Akuw | but how can i create the loop? |
| 03:38.45 | \amethyst | Akuw: oh, that's much easier, and you don't even need the array |
| 03:38.49 | Akuw | the final part is > file.xml |
| 03:39.15 | \amethyst | Akuw: for file in *.jpg; do echo "<file>$file</file>"; done > file.xml |
| 03:39.31 | \amethyst | Akuw: though presumably you'd have a root element, so |
| 03:39.58 | \amethyst | Akuw: { echo "<file-list>"; for file in *.jpg; do echo " <file>$file</file>"; done; echo "</file-list>"; } > file.xml |
| 03:40.03 | Akuw | hummm |
| 03:40.06 | Akuw | that works |
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| 03:41.37 | Akuw | thanks \amethyst |
| 03:41.42 | SerajewelKS | wow, debian-user butchers text attachments... |
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| 03:42.08 | SerajewelKS | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/04/msg00767.html |
| 03:42.16 | SerajewelKS | all that crap at the end is three attachments |
| 03:42.35 | SerajewelKS | and if anyone wants to respond to that message here i'd appreciate that too, i've been fighting this all day |
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| 03:47.55 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: it went to the list fine, it's just displayed in the archive software like that because just having the base-64 attachment would be useless. |
| 03:48.30 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: nod, i know it was delivered fine, but i was expecting it to either put headers in for each attachment or link to them separately |
| 03:49.02 | SerajewelKS | (meaning delivered to subscribers fine, but messed up in the archives) |
| 03:49.49 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: that's just the list archive software doing that; it defaults to displaying text/plain attachments inline |
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| 03:50.36 | dondelelcaro | probably could be a wishlist bug filed against lists.debian.org, but I'm personally not rushing out to file (or fix it) |
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| 03:57.09 | Lagbolt | what is the pastebin for images? |
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| 03:58.43 | Supaplex | !picpaste |
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| 04:01.22 | GhostlyDeath | What would happen if I put a disk label on a floppy? |
| 04:01.32 | aoeuid | does anyone know if libdpstk is in debian? |
| 04:01.50 | aoeuid | I'm trying to use a binary supposedly for debian and it's complaining that it can't find that file |
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| 04:02.21 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath: it'd be a lot easier to identify |
| 04:02.32 | Supaplex | aoeuid: it's not in etch, according to apt-file |
| 04:02.58 | aoeuid | the page says it was for sarge |
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| 04:03.05 | GhostlyDeath | SerajewelKS: I put a GPT disk label on the floppy, used gparted |
| 04:03.08 | dondelelcaro | aoeuid: packages.debian.org knows where it is |
| 04:03.15 | GhostlyDeath | The drive now has -512B of capacity |
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| 04:03.20 | dondelelcaro | aoeuid: that is, if it exists in Debian at all) |
| 04:03.33 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath: guess you figured out what happens then :) |
| 04:03.44 | GhostlyDeath | now for MSDOS disklabel |
| 04:04.17 | GhostlyDeath | now to erase the floppy |
| 04:04.37 | inazad | Its long to install Debian ? which version is the stable one ? |
| 04:04.58 | Supaplex | etch |
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| 04:05.17 | dondelelcaro | inazad: it can be installed in under 20 minutes; how long it actually takes depends on you, though. |
| 04:05.20 | Supaplex | depending on your hardware+internet connection, it's not very long |
| 04:05.41 | inazad | 2.6 ghz with 512 mo RAM |
| 04:05.52 | inazad | how much CD does it take ? |
| 04:06.14 | dondelelcaro | inazad: if you get them all, somewhere around 13, but you only need a 150M cd. |
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| 04:06.40 | inazad | ok |
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| 04:07.02 | inazad | do we have to install a X server or it comes with already installed WM like KDE or GNOME ? |
| 04:08.06 | streuner | just read i-g (install-guide), if you have problems ask here then |
| 04:08.13 | streuner | !Ig |
| 04:08.13 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
| 04:10.08 | GhostlyDeath | I don't think it was a smart idea to "cat /dev/fd0" |
| 04:10.25 | SerajewelKS | GhostlyDeath: try xxd instead |
| 04:11.00 | GhostlyDeath | It's basically all f6 |
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| 04:11.57 | johnf | is there any easy way to build amd64 packages on an i386 server? |
| 04:13.42 | wilsonicus | Hey what is the format specifier for double? |
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| 04:14.34 | Akuw | the files in /tmp ? i can delete all ? |
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| 04:16.21 | wilsonicus | I found it |
| 04:16.42 | wilsonicus | sorry wrong channel |
| 04:16.49 | wilsonicus | I have another query though |
| 04:17.08 | wilsonicus | â%lfâ expects type âdouble *â, Why does the output come out with those strange a's |
| 04:17.31 | \amethyst | Akuw: some of them might be in use, then it wouldn't be safe |
| 04:18.02 | \amethyst | Akuw: there is a script (/etc/init.d/mountall-bootclean.sh) that cleans it up at boot, though |
| 04:18.24 | \amethyst | wilsonicus: probably because GCC thinks you want UTF-8 output, but your terminal is expecting Latin-1 |
| 04:18.39 | wilsonicus | ahh ok |
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| 04:18.48 | wilsonicus | that will teach me to ignore locales |
| 04:18.54 | \amethyst | wilsonicus: :) |
| 04:19.01 | \amethyst | wilsonicus: what terminal/terminal emulator? |
| 04:19.08 | \amethyst | s/terminal\/// |
| 04:19.52 | wilsonicus | putty |
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| 04:20.21 | \amethyst | wilsonicus: go to Configure session, select Translation on the left, and choose UTF-8 in the drop-down menu |
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| 04:20.38 | wilsonicus | yeah I fixed it |
| 04:20.39 | \amethyst | wilsonicus: you might save the session (or even the default) so you don't have to keep doing that |
| 04:20.45 | Akuw | \amethyst: but, that script clean all when i restart ? |
| 04:20.46 | wilsonicus | thanks yo |
| 04:22.41 | \amethyst | Akuw: (actually, I guess it's really /lib/init/bootclearn that does it). It removes (on boot) all files more than a certain number of days old |
| 04:23.00 | Akuw | hummmm, ok |
| 04:23.49 | \amethyst | Akuw: the default is zero days, so it removes (almost) everything |
| 04:24.17 | \amethyst | Akuw: certain administrative files, like 'quota.user' and 'lost+found', aren't removed if they exist, but almost everything else is |
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| 04:26.30 | mardi | hi all, i'm trying to get xfce to auto login with debian lenny. do I add the init script to rc2.d? |
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| 04:29.20 | peterS | hmmm I think Kansas just pwned the NCAA. go us. |
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| 04:30.37 | Penix | I caught the end of it |
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| 04:30.56 | Penix | kansas' 3ptr in the last few seconds was pretty cool |
| 04:30.56 | bloo | So, after a dist-upgrade some packages are still held back; why? |
| 04:31.15 | SerajewelKS | bloo: because you marked them hold? |
| 04:31.29 | Penix | of the 2nd half that is... |
| 04:31.56 | bloo | SerajewelKS, well, I've checked in synaptic as well and didn't see anything different. How would once fix that? |
| 04:31.57 | peterS | I actually didn't watch it, I'm not much of a sports fan. but I did google news it just to find out |
| 04:32.51 | Penix | I hooked up my sports channel package again recently to watch some NBA. been getting in to the NCAA more though |
| 04:33.00 | bloo | I'd imagine the "unhold" command? |
| 04:33.29 | SerajewelKS | bloo: or they depend on packages you don't have available (e.g. things that need to be build) |
| 04:33.34 | Penix | gotta love espn for us neglected .au viewers |
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| 04:33.39 | SerajewelKS | bloo: aptitude would tell you why they were being held |
| 04:33.52 | peterS | Penix: heh - I was gonna say, I thought you were down under - but you watch US basketball |
| 04:33.54 | SerajewelKS | is web.archive.org down for anyone else? |
| 04:33.55 | peterS | ? |
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| 04:35.04 | Penix | I've always had a general interest in basketball, but I've aquired the top 3 NBA games for my Dreamcast recently |
| 04:35.09 | Penix | so I've got it on the brain :) |
| 04:35.13 | peterS | hehe |
| 04:35.17 | arooni | go KU! |
| 04:35.19 | arooni | ku won ! |
| 04:35.32 | arooni | is from kansas |
| 04:35.44 | peterS | arooni: "pwned the ncaa" is I think the correct term |
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| 04:35.47 | mardi | kansas won what? |
| 04:35.50 | bloo | SerajewelKS, all they say is "The following packages were kept back" |
| 04:36.01 | arooni | mardi, ncaa division 1 basketball championship |
| 04:36.03 | Penix | mardi: NCAA championship |
| 04:36.06 | mardi | oh |
| 04:36.25 | Penix | wonder what happened to ole miss... |
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| 04:37.18 | peterS | arooni: my family is mostly k-state people. but I do have a sister goin' to school in lawrence, so I guess it's ok to wave the flag |
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| 04:37.35 | haxality | hi I was wondering how to add a script to run on login |
| 04:37.39 | arooni | peterS, awesome... i'm from lawrence.. spent 18 of my first years there |
| 04:37.41 | SerajewelKS | bloo: in aptitude? |
| 04:37.43 | bloo | SerajewelKS, and none of them are on "hold" |
| 04:37.54 | bloo | SerajewelKS, "aptitude upgrade" |
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| 04:38.08 | soblue | When I create a tar archive, do I have to set file permissions to allow others to read/write? (I want to send somebody else a program I'm working on, which I haven't had occasion to do until now.) |
| 04:38.18 | SerajewelKS | bloo: run aptitude and hit "U" and then "g" |
| 04:38.42 | bloo | SerajewelKS, I'm an aptitude nub I'm used to apt-get :P Sorry |
| 04:38.47 | bloo | I'll do that now. |
| 04:38.51 | SerajewelKS | bloo: np |
| 04:39.06 | peterS | soblue: the tarball will have permissions in it, but whoever unpacks it will generally end up owning all the files in their copy of the directory tree, so the permissions don't matter all that much for your purpose |
| 04:39.20 | bloo | SerajewelKS, just tells me that I've chosen not to upgrade them v.v |
| 04:39.22 | soblue | peterS: Thank you. :) |
| 04:39.52 | SerajewelKS | bloo: move the cursor to one and hit "+" -- what happens? |
| 04:40.28 | bloo | SerajewelKS, gotta find them first, I don't see them i nthe list :P |
| 04:42.44 | SerajewelKS | bloo: if you hit "g" you should get a page of stuff it wants to do |
| 04:43.06 | SerajewelKS | bloo: and use "/" to open a search window |
| 04:44.09 | bloo | SerajewelKS, yeah, doing that, it wants to remove quite a bit of stuff and still hold back all the others. When I search for the held back packages I can only see one of them |
| 04:44.53 | SerajewelKS | bloo: it should have a header above the packages it is holding saying "Held back because ..." or somesuch |
| 04:45.04 | RyanRyan52 | How hot should my laptop get when its doing lots of floating point math? cause I replaced my keyboard and I could swear the fan doesn't work anymore. |
| 04:45.31 | SerajewelKS | RyanRyan52: the FPU is one of the hottest parts of the CPU |
| 04:45.48 | RyanRyan52 | I know. Thats why I am using that for my test. |
| 04:46.02 | SerajewelKS | ah, well i dunno exactly :) |
| 04:46.18 | SerajewelKS | on my desktop using the FPU raises the core temps a few C, but not much |
| 04:46.27 | SerajewelKS | granted it's a desktop with quite a few fans |
| 04:46.29 | noppe | how do you set up synaptic so a normal user with sudo priviledges can use it? |
| 04:46.47 | SerajewelKS | noppe: you have them type "sudo synaptic" |
| 04:47.00 | zinx | or gksu synaptic |
| 04:47.10 | zinx | (or whatever kde's sudo thing is) |
| 04:47.25 | SerajewelKS | zinx: gksu checks sudo first? |
| 04:47.34 | zinx | SerajewelKS: checks? |
| 04:47.46 | SerajewelKS | zinx: we're talking sudo, not su |
| 04:48.15 | zinx | SerajewelKS: so use --sudo-mode or gksudo (same program) |
| 04:48.18 | bloo | SerajewelKS, apparently the package requires something I don't have. |
| 04:48.19 | bloo | Thanks. |
| 04:48.31 | SerajewelKS | bloo: np, you might check to see if it's something you have to build |
| 04:48.31 | noppe | kdesu and gksu both claim wrong password |
| 04:48.34 | RyanRyan52 | It gets up to about 60 degrees C and then I kill it...but it will still rise more. Should I be worried? cause all of this time the fan is not running. |
| 04:48.47 | SerajewelKS | RyanRyan52: yeah that's probably not good |
| 04:48.59 | zinx | noppe: gksudo / gksu -S want the user password by default in Debian, not the root one |
| 04:49.01 | SerajewelKS | RyanRyan52: my desktop hits ~55C when it's under heavy FPU load |
| 04:49.15 | RyanRyan52 | oh, nvm. I let it get up to 67 and then the fan started and now its down to 60 and going down. |
| 04:49.32 | zinx | noppe: and "wrong password" probably means "couldn't verify you" - could be for any number of reasons, not just the password. |
| 04:49.33 | RyanRyan52 | My desktop gets up to 70....I should not build my own computers :P |
| 04:49.43 | SerajewelKS | RyanRyan52: ah. check the BIOS and see if there is a threshold you can set, and turn it down a bit. |
| 04:49.56 | RyanRyan52 | theres literaly nothing in the bios. |
| 04:50.06 | SerajewelKS | RyanRyan52: note that 80C is generally considered to be the highest safe temp, higher is pushing it |
| 04:50.10 | SerajewelKS | so 67 is fine |
| 04:50.29 | RyanRyan52 | SerajewelKS: cool, thanks! |
| 04:50.34 | SerajewelKS | still running at 80C isn't great |
| 04:50.36 | zinx | safe temperature varies by CPU |
| 04:50.44 | SerajewelKS | this is true |
| 04:50.51 | zinx | older CPUs will have long crashed before they hit 80C |
| 04:51.04 | SerajewelKS | RyanRyan52: the chipset may allow you to tweak the fan speeds too |
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| 04:51.09 | noppe | zinx: okay, with -S it works, thanks. |
| 04:51.11 | SerajewelKS | RyanRyan52: with a userland utility |
| 04:51.43 | RyanRyan52 | anybody know what that would be called? |
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| 04:52.18 | SerajewelKS | RyanRyan52: apt-cache search fan speed ? |
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| 04:52.31 | RyanRyan52 | ok. |
| 04:53.00 | SerajewelKS | i recall seeing something in aptitude about that recently but don't remember its name |
| 04:54.44 | SerajewelKS | has anything changed in lenny recently that would cause the kernel to not recognize a palm? |
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| 05:07.06 | b00bhunter | *** nirupama.. ever searched freshmeat o sourceforge |
| 05:07.23 | SerajewelKS | nirupama: yes. record video from webcam. attach video to email. |
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| 05:14.45 | jordanb | So on this new insall of debian I don't have the adobe-courier fonts. |
| 05:15.17 | jordanb | I have another machine with them on it, so I'm trying to figure out if I can't figure out what package it got them from. |
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| 05:16.42 | Funt | jordanb man dpkg |
| 05:16.50 | Funt | dpkg -S|--search <pattern> ... find package(s) owning file(s) |
| 05:17.11 | jordanb | Ok cowboy what's the file name for adobe courier fonts? |
| 05:17.27 | peterS | that's an excellent question |
| 05:17.49 | Funt | /usr/share/fonts/... |
| 05:17.49 | enouf | dlocate adobe | grep courier |
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| 05:18.00 | enouf | dlocate adobe | grep font |
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| 05:18.32 | Funt | ah, yes, slocate is installed by default in debian |
| 05:18.44 | Funt | forgot 'bout that |
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| 05:19.01 | enouf | Alan.. is that you? :-O |
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| 05:19.40 | enouf | </lame candid camera reference> |
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| 05:20.11 | enouf | (oh i think there's a t in his surname) |
| 05:20.18 | enouf | er d |
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| 05:26.31 | wilsonicus | hey |
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| 05:26.48 | wilsonicus | you guys should see some of the stuff this Zhivago guy says in #c |
| 05:26.50 | wilsonicus | it is hilarious |
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| 05:30.03 | echo-area | hi, how to change keyboard layout system-widely in terminal? Thanks |
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| 05:30.19 | echo-area | for console |
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| 05:42.14 | SerajewelKS | is there a way for an application to request to be notified when a particular device is plugged (with udev) |
| 05:42.20 | simonrvn | ok, i expect it being dead in here at this time of night, but *this* dead? *sigh* |
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| 05:42.42 | cafuego | yeah well sorry, but i *did* have beans last night |
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| 05:43.09 | simonrvn | i thought it was my beans, ok |
| 05:43.49 | simonrvn | hello mr. cafuego |
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| 05:44.40 | cafuego | SerajewelKS: You can do it the other waya round, and have udev notify the app whether it likes it or not, i think. unless you use dbus maybe. |
| 05:44.50 | cafuego | hello ms simonrvn |
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| 05:49.17 | cafuego | maybe it's finally happened and people are running off to #hurd |
| 05:49.40 | kgoetz | heh |
| 05:52.15 | pinto3 | it sounds like a pretty neat project, i'm not experienced enough to use it yet :( |
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| 05:54.19 | cafuego | pinto3: TRAITOR! |
| 05:55.34 | pinto3 | lol, rest assured, i would have debian longside my hurd and lfs |
| 05:55.51 | kgoetz | pinto3: there is a debian GNU/Hurd |
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| 05:59.14 | Penix | pinto3: try out Debian GNU/kFreBSD |
| 05:59.28 | Penix | FreeBSD even |
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| 06:00.21 | pinto3 | I think I will one day, still getting used to the basics |
| 06:00.56 | pinto3 | It's good to see so many options available :) |
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| 06:05.46 | echo-area | is "The Debian Maintenance HOWTO" offical or not? Thanks |
| 06:06.12 | gg | it seems my resolution is broken,i open up screen resolution from the system menu,but there is none options there,the choices are dark,no choice for me to choose.how to make it recognize my graphic card? |
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| 06:06.52 | dondelelcaro | echo-area: which one? |
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| 06:07.27 | echo-area | dondelelcaro: http://www.infodrom.org/Debian/doc/maint/index.html |
| 06:07.40 | dondelelcaro | echo-area: very little documentation for Debian is "official"; that said, the age matters far more than the official status |
| 06:08.05 | dondelelcaro | echo-area: it's by joey, so it's probably reasonable |
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| 06:08.15 | echo-area | ok, thanks |
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| 06:08.18 | dondelelcaro | echo-area: though it's likely a bit out of date |
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| 06:09.14 | echo-area | dondelelcaro: sure, in sec 5.2 it mentioned /etc/kbd/default.kmap.gz, but I can't find it |
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| 06:11.21 | gg | guys,plz give a command to change my resolution,system>screen resolution doesn't work,coz there is no choice there,all buttons are dark,i cannot choose 1024X768 there,thx |
| 06:11.27 | dondelelcaro | echo-area: well, that's old; it's /etc/console/bootime.kmap.gz; but you shouldn't need to muck with it. loadkeys and install-keymap is what you want to touch. |
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| 06:11.48 | dondelelcaro | gg: xranr or ctrl-alt-+/- are what you use. |
| 06:11.53 | dondelelcaro | gg: xvidtune -next; may also help |
| 06:12.15 | dondelelcaro | !keymap |
| 06:12.15 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment). |
| 06:12.42 | gg | dondelelcaro, thx,i will try |
| 06:12.44 | echo-area | dondelelcaro: I want to replace that with the dvorak layout, is that not recommended? |
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| 06:14.03 | dondelelcaro | !dvorak |
| 06:14.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dvorak is for typing better than <qwerty> :P, or the coolest layout ever, or at http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/, or <grub dvorak> |
| 06:14.12 | dondelelcaro | hrm... looks like the factoid isn't there. |
| 06:14.27 | dondelelcaro | echo-area: anyway, yes, that's how you select a dvorak layout if your keyboard isn't automatically remapped that way. |
| 06:14.36 | dondelelcaro | (my keyboard is, but it's very odd) |
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| 06:16.09 | echo-area | dondelelcaro: thanks for the information. I'm going to do the replacement. |
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| 06:17.31 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: which number is it on weirdasskeyboardporn.com ? |
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| 06:18.29 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: that doesn't resolve |
| 06:19.12 | cafuego | imagines it will by this time tomorrow |
| 06:19.57 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/don_lab/020_lab_desk_10232003.jpg is an old picture of it, though. |
| 06:20.13 | cafuego | aiyee |
| 06:20.34 | cafuego | i get rsi just looking at that... |
| 06:20.55 | jelly-home | > dvorak is for typing better than <qwerty> :P, ... but apparently not for grammar. |
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| 06:21.22 | cafuego | better for typing - in english |
| 06:21.38 | cafuego | possibly not so much for other languages |
| 06:22.09 | dondelelcaro | yeah; most other languages have their own layouts though... |
| 06:22.18 | dondelelcaro | like fgGIod or whatever that thing is |
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| 06:22.23 | cafuego | heh |
| 06:22.43 | cafuego | stabs his mouse for refusing to charg |
| 06:22.54 | cafuego | e |
| 06:23.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | Hey, I'm pretty new to Linux, I understand conceptually how apt works, but I can't figure out where I can find new repositories... I can't find the packages I need (rtorrent is a really old version, I'd like to make a deb of the latest version with checkinstall) |
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| 06:23.28 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is there some kind of repository list somewhere? |
| 06:23.51 | Penix | Blast_Hardcheese: its determined by the branch/version of debian you're using |
| 06:24.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | Latest etch |
| 06:24.17 | Penix | Blast_Hardcheese: then you get the packages that were released with etch |
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| 06:24.23 | gg | dondelelcaro, i don't understand you first sentence,xranr is not a command,and ctrl+alt.....means what |
| 06:24.25 | Penix | Blast_Hardcheese: if you want newer versions, you can use backports |
| 06:24.34 | Penix | gg: probably meant xrandr |
| 06:24.44 | gg | ahhhh |
| 06:25.05 | Penix | !tell Blast_Hardcheese about backports |
| 06:25.40 | cafuego | or use my rtorrent packages |
| 06:26.31 | Blast_Hardcheese | I thought I had the latest version of debian |
| 06:26.40 | cafuego | Yes, you do. |
| 06:26.45 | kgoetz | you do have the latest stable release |
| 06:27.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | Ah, so they'd be backports from the unstable releases |
| 06:27.13 | cafuego | However, the latest version of debian does not include the l;atest versions of all packages it contains. Rather, it includes what was stable at time of release. |
| 06:27.15 | dondelelcaro | testing usually |
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| 06:27.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | I see |
| 06:27.57 | cafuego | These may or may not work on etch: http://debian.cafuego.net/dists/gutsy-cafuego/rtorrent/ |
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| 06:28.49 | kgoetz | cafuego: i'd guess not meself |
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| 06:29.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | cafuego: Thanks, I think I'm going to make my own deb just to get the hang of it |
| 06:29.29 | gg | dondelelcaro, and Penix ,this is xrandr 's output,screen0.from 1920X1440>320X200,but only,800X600 and 640X480 get a 61.0,others are 0.0,maybe means the refresh (hz).what i do next |
| 06:29.42 | kgoetz | !tell Blast_Hardcheese about ssb |
| 06:30.03 | gg | and current is 1920X1440 |
| 06:30.10 | Blast_Hardcheese | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 06:30.29 | gg | there is guide there,first apt-key add |
| 06:30.46 | Blast_Hardcheese | Ah, it says nothing about that... http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 06:30.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | Oh, I missed the etch section |
| 06:31.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | My apologies |
| 06:32.00 | dondelelcaro | gg: so use xrandr --mode; man xrandr; for details. |
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| 06:32.13 | gg | dondelelcaro, k.thx |
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| 06:34.56 | gg | dondelelcaro, sir ,i want 1024X768,but the refresh is 0hz,so i cannot use it..:( |
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| 06:36.14 | dondelelcaro | gg: then that mode may not be supported by your monitor or your X configuration isn't set up to use it properly |
| 06:37.12 | gg | shall i do something about xorg.conf |
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| 06:45.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | building debs is insane |
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| 06:45.30 | XoX | why do they say write order isn't important?? |
| 06:45.39 | XoX | in Documentation/block/barrier.txt |
| 06:45.57 | echo-area | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
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| 06:49.34 | pinto3 | that probably keeps the quality of the software higher :) |
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| 06:59.58 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:59.59 | dpkg | <TCossuto> is p2p still active? Does debian support p2p? |
| 07:01.21 | Hoxzer | is confused |
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| 07:12.05 | andrew[andrboot] | Hi guys, semi dumb questino.. i am running debian lenny, i am wondering how to get the kernel sources? |
| 07:12.37 | Mantaar | andrew[andrboot]: install the linux-headers package corresponding to your kernel version |
| 07:12.43 | andrew[andrboot] | tries |
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| 07:13.34 | andrew[andrboot] | thanks :)_ |
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| 07:14.04 | Mantaar | np ;-) |
| 07:14.34 | andrew[andrboot] | stupid ati |
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| 07:22.32 | Supaplex | tries apt-get install --reinstall bankaccount only to see the same disappointing balances *sniff* |
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| 07:34.11 | Obligatory | guess not... |
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| 07:38.04 | BendOver | hello, is there a way to set up my 2gb secure digital partiton as my swap memory? and will this increase at all my performance? |
| 07:39.20 | Funt | no |
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| 07:40.24 | BendOver | and what can do with it to improve my system? |
| 07:40.43 | BendOver | maybe run something in particular from it? |
| 07:40.47 | Funt | nothing, i'm afraid |
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| 07:41.08 | BendOver | not even run linux entirely from it? |
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| 07:41.24 | Obligatory | BendOver, what's a " secure digital partition"? Is it like a regular partition, but encrypted from the HD bios? |
| 07:41.25 | Funt | you can, but it's much slower than optical drive |
| 07:41.55 | Funt | magnetic, i mean, sry |
| 07:42.31 | BendOver | lol secure digital drive partition, as in an sd card |
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| 07:42.39 | BendOver | sorry |
| 07:43.03 | Obligatory | you mean a USB jumber drive? |
| 07:43.13 | XoX | dosen't write barrier keeps writes in order? |
| 07:43.15 | BendOver | no |
| 07:43.19 | XoX | why do they say it isn't important |
| 07:43.24 | BendOver | my computer has a sd card reader |
| 07:43.35 | Obligatory | Oh, well I'll look up 'sd'... |
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| 07:43.42 | Funt | SD cards are slow |
| 07:43.45 | Funt | so... |
| 07:43.47 | BendOver | oh ok |
| 07:43.55 | BendOver | storage then :/ |
| 07:44.09 | Funt | yeah, and it has a life-cycle |
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| 07:44.25 | Funt | so - storage only |
| 07:44.37 | BendOver | 3 bucks each |
| 07:44.38 | BendOver | i got 3 |
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| 07:44.47 | BendOver | and 1 usd shipping |
| 07:44.49 | Funt | u can also make a live SD |
| 07:44.51 | Funt | ^^ |
| 07:44.55 | BendOver | live sd? |
| 07:45.06 | Funt | like livecd or liveusb |
| 07:45.08 | Funt | but on SD card |
| 07:45.17 | Funt | if your bios supports booting from it |
| 07:45.24 | BendOver | yeah |
| 07:45.27 | BendOver | would that run faster? |
| 07:45.48 | Funt | maybe |
| 07:45.53 | Funt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card |
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| 07:46.00 | Serajewe1KS | faster than what? |
| 07:46.05 | Funt | check the speed of your SD car |
| 07:46.05 | Funt | d |
| 07:46.08 | BendOver | ata 100 |
| 07:46.10 | BendOver | i think |
| 07:46.22 | Funt | if it is 133x, it will be faster than any livecd |
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| 07:47.34 | Obligatory | Hmm, this says up to 20MB/s : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital_card#Speeds |
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| 07:47.43 | SerajewelKS | faster than what? |
| 07:47.56 | BendOver | how do i check? |
| 07:48.23 | Funt | BendOver straightforward |
| 07:48.28 | Obligatory | 20MB a second is faster than my HDs... (which are old) |
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| 07:49.22 | BendOver | hdparm -tT helped |
| 07:49.31 | BendOver | my hard drive is way faster |
| 07:49.45 | BendOver | 2x cache reads |
| 07:50.00 | BendOver | 11x buffered disk reads |
| 07:50.19 | BendOver | mmc did 8mb in 3 seconds heh |
| 07:50.23 | BendOver | so no nevermind |
| 07:50.42 | Obligatory | What about cache misses & head seeks? I'd think SD would win there. |
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| 07:51.19 | bayram_ | türkçe bilen varmı |
| 07:51.24 | bayram_ | bir problemim var |
| 07:51.28 | BendOver | Obligatory: how do i check that? |
| 07:51.45 | mc | my sd card hit 7.23MB/sec :P |
| 07:52.29 | BendOver | mine did 8 |
| 07:52.40 | BendOver | sorry |
| 07:52.42 | BendOver | 2.65 |
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| 07:53.18 | mc | apparently my sd card is cooler than yours.. that's quite the difference |
| 07:53.32 | Obligatory | BendOver, some general HD benchmark suite I guess. Debian has some package called 'bonnie++' a " Hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite." but I've never tried it. |
| 07:53.59 | SerajewelKS | BendOver: what about getting more RAM? |
| 07:53.59 | BendOver | mc: or maybe my sd card reader is misconfigured |
| 07:54.05 | maligor | 17.69 MB/sec, this is a CF tho :P |
| 07:54.08 | BendOver | i have 2 gb ram, max |
| 07:54.17 | BendOver | its a laptop |
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| 07:54.25 | mc | possible |
| 07:54.29 | SerajewelKS | what are you doing, video editing? |
| 07:54.39 | BendOver | SerajewelKS: no, running vmware |
| 07:55.37 | SerajewelKS | you should be able to shove a 1gb allocation to a VM and still run comfortably |
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| 07:55.53 | BendOver | SerajewelKS: I run 2 |
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| 07:56.27 | SerajewelKS | O_o |
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| 07:56.37 | BendOver | i give 650 each |
| 07:56.45 | SerajewelKS | on a laptop? |
| 07:56.47 | BendOver | yeah |
| 07:56.55 | SerajewelKS | boggles |
| 07:56.57 | BendOver | dual 2 core |
| 07:57.04 | Obligatory | hdparm on my hda gives 26M/S buffered, but that's probably consecutive data, which is not always a given. |
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| 07:57.11 | gg | run debian sid in 76 m ram,lol |
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| 07:58.15 | Obligatory | Another disk benchmark package is 'iozone3'... |
| 07:58.39 | BendOver | ill try that and bonnie |
| 07:58.51 | BendOver | but it seems to be slow by just transfering files |
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| 07:59.13 | vlt | Hello. I'm running Debian on a NAT router. Is the Debian kernel able to send answers to packets coming in from a non-default gateway and that are DNATed to a server in the local network back to the correct gateway? |
| 07:59.19 | SerajewelKS | transferring files from where to where? |
| 07:59.59 | SerajewelKS | vlt: not unless you SNAT too |
| 08:00.13 | BendOver | copy/pasting a file to hd is faster than to sd card |
| 08:00.30 | SerajewelKS | BendOver: copy/pasting *from where*? |
| 08:01.04 | ronr | what debian architecture cd is best for an intel duo core (I want to end up with an unstable system)? |
| 08:01.25 | BendOver | cp /file/disk/b /file/from/disk/a then from hd from mmc to mmc |
| 08:01.29 | vlt | SerajewelKS: And set the source IP to what? The router's? |
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| 08:02.15 | SerajewelKS | vlt: i mean the non-default gateway would need to SNAT to its own address so your router knows where to send the packets back |
| 08:02.18 | jelly-home | BendOver: hopefully your sd (mmc?) is not mounted with "sync" option |
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| 08:02.35 | BendOver | jelly-home: its called mmc on /dev/mmc |
| 08:02.46 | SerajewelKS | BendOver: logically. from what device to what device. no paths. |
| 08:02.58 | BendOver | from within each |
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| 08:03.04 | BendOver | just creating a new file |
| 08:03.07 | SerajewelKS | plonk |
| 08:03.14 | Obligatory | BendOver, oh, and the 'pv' and 'buffer' packages are great for measuring pipe transfer speeds. Shoulda mentioned those first... |
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| 08:03.27 | SerajewelKS | you said copying to HD is slower than copying to SD |
| 08:03.33 | SerajewelKS | copying FROM WHERE in each case? |
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| 08:03.35 | BendOver | no other way around |
| 08:03.45 | saintiss | hi all |
| 08:03.46 | BendOver | from within each one on another folder |
| 08:03.52 | saintiss | does anyone use gmail with kmail? |
| 08:04.00 | BendOver | sda to sda and mmc to mmc |
| 08:04.01 | SerajewelKS | BendOver: ok, that's not an accurate measure then |
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| 08:04.06 | saintiss | I seem to have the problem that mails keep disappearing from my inbox into "All Mail" |
| 08:04.13 | saintiss | if I move them back, they won't stay |
| 08:04.22 | SerajewelKS | saintiss: tell gmail not to archive when you fetch mail |
| 08:04.35 | Obligatory | BendOver, I'm curious what you get if you do something like 'buffer -S 1M filename | wc -c' |
| 08:04.40 | SerajewelKS | BendOver: because you're reading from the same device you are writing to |
| 08:04.48 | Obligatory | (just a read, no write) |
| 08:05.17 | yuanhao | who know where to down load matlab for linux? |
| 08:05.26 | gg | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439858,linux torvalds |
| 08:05.27 | saintiss | SerajewelKS, it does not... the problem just occured when upgrading to kmail 3.5.9 |
| 08:05.34 | SerajewelKS | BendOver: 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=somefile bs=1024 count=$((1024*1024))' if you want to test write speeds |
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| 08:05.44 | saintiss | SerajewelKS, i.e. if I use the web interface, I don't have the problem |
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| 08:06.38 | SerajewelKS | saintiss: you mean on <http://mail.google.com/mail/#settings/fwdandpop> the setting 2 under POP Download is "keep in inbox?" |
| 08:07.02 | BendOver | Obligatory: i got too many arguments |
| 08:07.15 | Obligatory | Wups, shoulda been : 'buffer -S 1M -i filename | wc -c' |
| 08:07.29 | ronr | is an intel duo core em64t? (can I use the amd64 distro?) |
| 08:07.39 | Obligatory | Piping it to '/dev/null' is good too. |
| 08:07.49 | saintiss | SerajewelKS, indeed... and btw, I'm using IMAP, not POP |
| 08:08.15 | BendOver | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.15 | BendOver | 245096448 |
| 08:08.25 | BendOver | got that Obligatory |
| 08:09.30 | maligor | ronr, most of them are |
| 08:09.43 | maligor | I think there were a few models that weren't |
| 08:09.48 | Dave2 | Core Duo isn't 64 bit |
| 08:09.51 | zrin | on a new etch box with 6x750GB hdd in raid5, raid performace suddenly dropped to 6 MB/s ... panic is getting me ... help! |
| 08:09.53 | Dave2 | Core 2 Duo is |
| 08:10.05 | Dave2 | types this from a Core Duo box. |
| 08:10.23 | Obligatory | Then you compare that to stuff like 'buffer -S 1M -i /dev/hda -o /dev/null' |
| 08:10.40 | maligor | I'd just remembering there being two core 2 duo models that weren't |
| 08:10.55 | maligor | in the mobile chips, but I could be wrong |
| 08:11.12 | mc | seems like the very first core 2 duos weren't 64 bit yeah |
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| 08:12.05 | ronr | Dave2 / maligor: how do I check (it's a new laptop with 'that os' pre-installed) |
| 08:12.11 | Obligatory | All consecutive reads tho... |
| 08:12.31 | BendOver | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.37 | maligor | ronr, cpu-z probably |
| 08:12.41 | BendOver | got that from /dev/sda |
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| 08:13.31 | SerajewelKS | saintiss: ahh, no clue then |
| 08:13.35 | mc | ronr: maligor wins, use cpu-z |
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| 08:14.04 | Obligatory | BendOver, 'sda' is your SD drive? |
| 08:14.42 | ronr | thx |
| 08:15.06 | BendOver | no my hard drive |
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| 08:15.44 | Obligatory | (I forgot to mention, just hit 'Ctrl-C' after the speed peaks.) |
| 08:16.04 | BendOver | sd drive is /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 08:16.31 | BendOver | i tried running the buffer -S 1m -i with files in both places |
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| 08:17.04 | vlt | SerajewelKS: Could you have a look at the following setup please and tell me how to make servers in 192.168.1.0 answer packets coming in from the router's eth0 (iptables rules 5, 6 and 8, for example)? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/38641/ |
| 08:17.42 | vlt | SerajewelKS: They actually answer but the router sends the answers out through ppp0 instead of eth0. |
| 08:17.50 | Obligatory | BendOver, well that'd give you r/w throughput... |
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| 08:18.36 | dimir | Morn! |
| 08:18.52 | vlt | SerajewelKS: While packets to the router are sent back correctly since I created the "from 192.168.178.20§ rule for iproute2. |
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| 08:21.00 | Obligatory | Hmm, that 'iozone3' is complicated... |
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| 08:25.00 | SerajewelKS | vlt: the router itself should know how to get the packets back |
| 08:25.10 | ma3x | do I use the same chainloader of winxp for win vista when booting? |
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| 08:26.17 | The-Shadow | bah how to download from an SVN thing? |
| 08:26.18 | SerajewelKS | vlt: assuming that ROUTER is one box, and at least one of eth0/ppp0 has a functional subnet mask (e.g. not 255.255.255.255 or somesuch crap) it should Just Work |
| 08:26.53 | SerajewelKS | vlt: but since they don't appear to, some more wizardly will be needed |
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| 08:28.55 | The-Shadow | ? |
| 08:29.08 | SerajewelKS | vlt: maybe you can use -j CONNMARK (man iptables) to mark the connections that come in on eth0 and specify where they go with a -m connmark --mark ... rule |
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| 08:33.08 | Obligatory | Gotta flee... |
| 08:33.10 | Penix | ma3x_: yes |
| 08:33.16 | The-Shadow | k,fine ignore it *goes bak to manual* |
| 08:33.17 | Penix | The-Shadow: what? |
| 08:33.19 | ma3x_ | Penix, thanks |
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| 08:33.45 | Snadder | When I do: apt-get install libxine-dev I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libxine-dev: Depends: libxine1 (= 1.1.2+dfsg-6) but 1.1.8-1etch1 is to be installed E: Broken packages |
| 08:33.49 | The-Shadow | downloading from a repository |
| 08:33.59 | Penix | The-Shadow: checkout a copy of something from a subversion repo? |
| 08:34.00 | The-Shadow | easy system but HARD to use if nowhere a syntax can be found |
| 08:34.08 | Penix | The-Shadow: 'svn help' |
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| 08:34.17 | The-Shadow | i did that, helps like nothing |
| 08:34.25 | Penix | because you didn't read it obviously |
| 08:34.47 | Penix | The-Shadow: svn co svn://blah/whatever/something/trunkperhaps <where you want it> |
| 08:34.54 | Snadder | I have etch |
| 08:35.04 | Penix | The-Shadow: or svn+ssh:// or http:// |
| 08:35.56 | The-Shadow | cool thx Penix, more help then that svn --help |
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| 08:37.26 | Penix | The-Shadow: because it's 'svn help' not 'svn --help' |
| 08:37.39 | Penix | svn help <something> |
| 08:38.19 | Snadder | apt-get update: gives ... 99% [Connecting to wine.budgetdedicated.com (88.159.206.7)].. it just hangs.. why is that? |
| 08:38.43 | The-Shadow | i had the help, gaveme a bunch of commands and stuff about directories and scuh |
| 08:39.06 | The-Shadow | but doesnt help me much, i need examples befor i can use it x/ |
| 08:39.29 | vlt | SerajewelKS: Thank you, I'll have a look at CONNMARK. So the setup looks ok for you? Yes, the router is one Debian Etch box. I pasted all of the config but left out some tun devices (which should not interfere here). And yes, it doesn't work: I can see packets on the https server 192.168.1.1 coming in through the router's eth0. The server answers to the (external) source IP and the router sends that packet out through the default gw ppp0. Any further options f |
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| 08:50.03 | Snadder | Where do I issue a bug report on libxine-dev? |
| 08:50.09 | Snadder | on the debian etch package |
| 08:50.29 | Penix | Snadder: /msg dpkg report bug |
| 08:50.38 | Snadder | It says "Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed." |
| 08:50.43 | Snadder | Ok.. thanks |
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| 08:51.46 | Snadder | Maybe someone with debian etch could try installing libxine-dev.. to see if its actually a bug? |
| 08:51.59 | XoX | is it possible to do software raid1 with more than 2 discs |
| 08:52.01 | XoX | disks |
| 08:52.08 | Snadder | ..or if its just my installation which is fucked up |
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| 08:53.39 | sep | XoX, try it ? i belive the 3rd disk will be hotspare |
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| 08:55.09 | chlam | . |
| 08:55.24 | chlam | there is no operating system on my PC..i have a live cd, and only one cd-rom |
| 08:55.29 | chlam | how can i install debian? |
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| 08:55.38 | tarzeau | chlam: using (c)debootstrap? |
| 08:55.43 | chlam | uhh, i've heard of this goodbye-windows thing that lets you install debian without a cd |
| 08:55.46 | chlam | uhh, i don't know what that is |
| 08:55.59 | tarzeau | chlam: check the webpage of it |
| 08:56.05 | chlam | of what |
| 08:56.18 | tarzeau | chlam: http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 08:56.28 | tarzeau | it only works if you have windows |
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| 08:56.50 | chlam | that's what i was gonna ask |
| 08:56.55 | chlam | what's this .tar.gz, though |
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| 08:57.11 | chlam | http://goodbye-windows.com/downloads/debian/source/debian-win32-installer-loader_svn-20070511.tar.gz |
| 08:57.23 | chlam | you have to have it on an NTFS partition? |
| 08:58.23 | tarzeau | chlam: no you use the .exe file on windows |
| 08:58.59 | chlam | :< |
| 08:59.09 | zophy | yeah, i see the lenny debian installer CD will run in windows |
| 08:59.28 | chlam | okay well |
| 08:59.43 | chlam | so there's no way for me to install debian on a computer with no operating system |
| 08:59.44 | chlam | ? |
| 08:59.47 | chlam | and using a livecd |
| 09:00.00 | tarzeau | chlam: no |
| 09:00.05 | chlam | i couldn't download the .iso while using the livecd? then like create a partition and install it |
| 09:00.07 | chlam | psht |
| 09:00.07 | zophy | you can install knoppix that way |
| 09:00.10 | tarzeau | chlam: which live cd is it? |
| 09:00.12 | zophy | it's debian based |
| 09:00.23 | tarzeau | zophy: he CAN install debian, using debootstrap |
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| 09:00.42 | tarzeau | chlam: i've got a small howto here: http://io.debian.net/~tar/gnustep/install.txt |
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| 09:01.02 | zophy | of course |
| 09:01.46 | SerajewelKS | xingu: you here? |
| 09:02.26 | chlam | tarzeau, can't get there |
| 09:02.34 | zophy | ahhhh |
| 09:02.39 | tarzeau | chlam: why not? |
| 09:02.47 | chlam | uhh, page not fount |
| 09:02.51 | chlam | or cannot find server, rather |
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| 09:03.12 | tarzeau | chlam: your dns is broken? |
| 09:03.16 | zophy | i just loaded it |
| 09:03.23 | chlam | maybe. |
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| 09:03.52 | chlam | okay what about |
| 09:03.56 | chlam | debian breezy badger and sata.i ? |
| 09:05.08 | RichiH | what encoding is this and how can i decode it? =?UTF-8?B?VWxpIFN077+9cms=?= |
| 09:05.19 | tarzeau | chlam: there is no debian breezy badger |
| 09:05.24 | tarzeau | chlam: that's ubuntu |
| 09:05.29 | chlam | sorry, that's what i meant |
| 09:05.29 | tarzeau | !ubuntu |
| 09:05.29 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 09:05.31 | tarzeau | !based on |
| 09:05.31 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 09:05.35 | chlam | yep, going there now |
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| 09:06.40 | chlam | okay my bad |
| 09:06.43 | chlam | it's like debian 3.1 |
| 09:07.26 | zophy | tarzeau, is knoppix respected here ? |
| 09:07.38 | tarzeau | zophy: it's off-topic |
| 09:07.40 | tarzeau | !knoppix |
| 09:07.40 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ unofficial: http://Debian-knoppix.alioth.Debian.org/ <Debian-live> is the Debian equiv for publishing live systems. |
| 09:07.41 | jelly-home | RichiH: perl -MMIME::Base64 -e 'print decode_base64("VWxpIFN077+9cms=")' |
| 09:08.00 | RichiH | jelly-home: ta |
| 09:08.11 | Guerin | you mean people still use knoppix? |
| 09:08.26 | Guerin | 2002 wants its distro back |
| 09:08.47 | jelly-home | Guerin: you mean people still use debian? |
| 09:08.51 | RichiH | jelly: it looks to me as if the umlaut in the name was _not_ utf8? |
| 09:09.08 | Guerin | jelly-home: amazing, innit? |
| 09:09.16 | jelly-home | RichiH: I have no idea what's encoded in there! :-) |
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| 09:10.44 | RichiH | jelly-home: try perl -MMIME::Base64 -e 'print decode_base64("VWxpIFN077+9cms=")' on your command line |
| 09:10.47 | RichiH | ;) |
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| 09:14.07 | jelly-home | RichiH: it's weird. I've no idea whether MIME does some preparsing before decoding |
| 09:14.37 | zophy | yes, i used debootstrap on an old laptop with a bad cdrom drive, saved the day for that one |
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| 09:15.44 | akatsuki | hi.. seems that innitab was change for something call upstart? |
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| 09:16.12 | akatsuki | i wanted to edit the inittab file in the etc directory |
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| 09:16.58 | akatsuki | i dont know anything about upstart.. how can i edit it with text editor |
| 09:17.13 | Guerin | if you don't know anything about it, why are you using it? |
| 09:17.30 | akatsuki | i want to free up memory |
| 09:17.45 | RichiH | jelly-home: yah, if i take endianness into account, i arrive in the chinese namepsace.. |
| 09:17.46 | akatsuki | disabling some virtual consoles that i dont use at ll |
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| 09:18.08 | Guerin | akatsuki: that won't free up any meaningful amount of anything |
| 09:18.11 | zophy | but you can always put the drive in another computer and install linux on it with a generic kernel, windows will install the specific kernel etc. it needs for the actual hardware and won't boot on different hardware unlike linux' |
| 09:18.30 | Guerin | akatsuki: i recommend sticking with the tried and true until you know enough to support your own follies. |
| 09:18.40 | ma3x | why debian installer does not recognize the windows vista partition, but it lists the whole hd as empty |
| 09:18.47 | Guerin | because ain't nobody in here going to support 'em for you |
| 09:19.08 | Guerin | !htfswk ma3x |
| 09:19.08 | dpkg | ma3x: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 09:20.02 | Guerin | ma3x: you could as well ask microsoft why its OSen nuke the MBR by default, without asking - it's just so. |
| 09:20.19 | ma3x | well debian recognizes windows partitions 98,2k,xp ... |
| 09:20.25 | Guerin | so? |
| 09:20.35 | zophy | ma3x, the testing debian installer handled my winxp partition excellently, it even setup a boot selection for it in grub |
| 09:20.38 | ma3x | so why not vista? |
| 09:20.42 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: you are either using bitlocker or the fuxx0red "dynamic drives" |
| 09:20.46 | ma3x | zophy, xp yes, vista no |
| 09:20.47 | Guerin | vista is different |
| 09:21.01 | ma3x | SerajewelKS, what's bitblocker? |
| 09:21.02 | SerajewelKS | which are probably default in vista now |
| 09:21.09 | SerajewelKS | ma3x: bitlocker, google it |
| 09:21.17 | ma3x | i have AHCI, i disabled it in bios |
| 09:21.18 | ma3x | still no go |
| 09:21.28 | Guerin | it's vista's built-in data encryption |
| 09:21.37 | Guerin | if you don't know what it is, ask microsoft - not us |
| 09:21.39 | port7 | don't bother with vista, windows 7 will be out later this year |
| 09:21.43 | port7 | or early nex |
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| 09:22.04 | Guerin | don't bother with vista, debian has been better for years anyway |
| 09:22.07 | port7 | heh |
| 09:22.11 | zophy | i'll wait for the windows 7 and not use linux |
| 09:22.16 | ma3x | well you need os for some applications ... |
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| 09:22.24 | ma3x | not every user can handle linux |
| 09:22.28 | port7 | dont bother with vista coz it sucks donkey balls |
| 09:22.31 | SerajewelKS | so use xp |
| 09:22.33 | Guerin | ma3x: solution: stop needing said applications |
| 09:22.38 | port7 | likes win2000 |
| 09:22.52 | maligor | weren't they going for subscription model |
| 09:23.07 | Guerin | in any case, MS and its shitty OSen is offtopic |
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| 09:23.22 | Guerin | take it to #awwmyputerisbroke |
| 09:23.33 | zophy | Guerin, right, a serious noise factor |
| 09:23.49 | ma3x | i find vista great |
| 09:23.52 | ma3x | debian too |
| 09:23.57 | Guerin | find it great elsewhere |
| 09:24.28 | ma3x | well thing is they develop far too many apps/games for windows than for any other os |
| 09:24.39 | zophy | we could talk about what i need to do to use the s-video input on this thinkpad ? |
| 09:24.41 | ma3x | so if the world's gonna switch to linux, it will take some time |
| 09:24.51 | jugglinx | just games, i will say |
| 09:24.53 | ma3x | the newbies can't handle linux |
| 09:25.03 | ma3x | it requires a lot time to learn stuff |
| 09:25.11 | chlam | uhh |
| 09:25.14 | port7 | easy mode on the eeepc is good for newbies |
| 09:25.16 | Guerin | ma3x: that's just like saying `learner drivers need automatic transmission' - patently bullshit |
| 09:25.19 | chlam | not with comercialized software like fedora and redhat |
| 09:25.26 | chlam | it's incredibly simple |
| 09:25.32 | sep | ma3x, the newbies can handle linux just fine. it's the i only know windows and i am afraid of new things that can't handle linux. but that problem solves itself in a few decades |
| 09:25.49 | ma3x | Guerin, come on! car driving's not that difficult as linux |
| 09:26.08 | ma3x | a newbie would want to open office tools, print .... |
| 09:26.17 | zophy | is walmart still selling linux pc's ? |
| 09:26.25 | ma3x | they have no clue in setting up printing servers .... |
| 09:26.34 | Guerin | ma3x: you fail |
| 09:26.35 | ma3x | in windows it's fairly easy |
| 09:26.37 | beardy | Geez.. not that again.. |
| 09:26.56 | chlam | ma3x, i just told you |
| 09:26.57 | beardy | If the idiot can't do it, or doesn't want to learn, then go away. |
| 09:27.18 | ma3x | dude im telling you about newbies |
| 09:27.24 | Guerin | stop |
| 09:27.28 | ma3x | go tell someone that uses windows just to check their email ..... |
| 09:27.29 | Guerin | go to #whogivesafuck |
| 09:27.53 | beardy | Yes, give them a terminal and teach them to read. Bye now. |
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| 09:29.12 | zophy | why doesn't iceweasel have a google search bos |
| 09:29.16 | zophy | why doesn't iceweasel have a google search bosx |
| 09:29.22 | zophy | why doesn't iceweasel have a google search box |
| 09:29.24 | sep | zophy, mine does |
| 09:29.28 | zophy | hmm |
| 09:29.34 | Guerin | because you can search from the title bar |
| 09:29.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | as dones mine |
| 09:29.35 | Guerin | err |
| 09:29.39 | Guerin | address bar |
| 09:31.00 | zophy | =that does work |
| 09:31.28 | sep | zophy, you have perhaps removed it in about:config somewhere ? try a fresh profile if all else fail |
| 09:32.26 | ma3x | what live cd is good to boot from and install stuff toram? |
| 09:32.53 | Guerin | ask ##linux |
| 09:32.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | ... debian-live? |
| 09:33.02 | ma3x | yeah |
| 09:33.05 | ma3x | cause knoppix sucks |
| 09:33.25 | ma3x | doesn't recognize my hard drive even |
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| 09:33.58 | aspWork | can anybody recommend a disk benchmark tool under debian? i want to bench read/write speeds to a usb stick |
| 09:34.13 | aspWork | apart from doing it manualy via cp and a date that is :) |
| 09:34.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | perhaps iostat |
| 09:34.55 | aspWork | ill give it a try, thnx |
| 09:35.02 | ma3x | Guerin, how was the trip to korea? |
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| 09:35.37 | zophy | i like the 3.x version of knoppix |
| 09:36.08 | zophy | Kamping_Kaiser, where is this debian-live ? |
| 09:36.19 | Guerin | ma3x: i haven't been back. |
| 09:36.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | zophy, live.debian.net iirc |
| 09:36.37 | ma3x | Guerin, but what impression did you get over there? |
| 09:36.45 | zophy | thanks |
| 09:36.55 | Guerin | ma3x: `this place is complicated' |
| 09:37.04 | ma3x | Guerin, why? |
| 09:37.14 | ma3x | Guerin, to me it seemed like it's very separate world from the one in europe |
| 09:37.30 | Guerin | well, I can't comment on that since I've never been to europe |
| 09:37.43 | ma3x | well compared to the usa? |
| 09:37.57 | Guerin | never been there either |
| 09:38.12 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 09:38.12 | dpkg | hmm... qotd142 is <greycat> BIG FUCKING HUGE MISTAKE telling me you have gcc 4.0 and that you can't fucking read the FAQ. |
| 09:38.13 | ma3x | where you from? |
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| 09:38.32 | jugglinx | i heard that they dont have mobile phones until recently and they even got a "death" if they got caughed talking by mobile, it s that true, guerin? |
| 09:39.11 | ma3x | lol |
| 09:39.11 | ma3x | who |
| 09:39.15 | zophy | ha |
| 09:39.45 | mc | got a death? i hope that's a translation problem :O |
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| 09:40.20 | jugglinx | yep, english isnt my first language |
| 09:41.17 | Guerin | jugglinx: welcome to our humble planet, o great visitor from the planet bonghit |
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| 09:41.44 | ma3x | lol |
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| 09:41.49 | ma3x | i didnt mean it that way |
| 09:41.53 | Guerin | the republic of korea has more mobile phones per capita than any other country in the world |
| 09:42.05 | ma3x | separate world as 'they don't care for the rest of the world much' |
| 09:42.34 | ma3x | they have their gadgets and electronic stuff |
| 09:42.48 | ma3x | true, they don't even have sim cards |
| 09:43.00 | ma3x | you can't use their phones elsewhere |
| 09:43.06 | Guerin | of course you canb |
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| 09:43.15 | ma3x | no way |
| 09:43.21 | ma3x | the number is integrated |
| 09:43.27 | ma3x | there is no slot for sim |
| 09:43.28 | jugglinx | Guerin, that s why i asked, i try to not believe all that tv says ... hehe |
| 09:43.38 | Guerin | ma3x: don't mean a thing |
| 09:43.45 | ma3x | jugglinx, the north is poor |
| 09:43.48 | mike1o | Guerin, italy is secondo |
| 09:44.06 | ma3x | Guerin, man were you to a cell phone shop in s.korea? |
| 09:44.11 | mike1o | in terms of phones per capita |
| 09:44.14 | ma3x | what the hell are you arguing if you weren't? |
| 09:44.22 | mc | ma3x: quit being ignorant |
| 09:44.30 | ma3x | mike1o, huge buildings samsung everywhere |
| 09:44.32 | mc | the entire cdma network in north america lacks a sim card |
| 09:44.39 | mc | doesn't mean you can't change phones |
| 09:44.45 | jugglinx | in argentina we didnt had sims until some years and we used to talk anywehre anyways, ma3x |
| 09:44.54 | Guerin | ma3x: i lived there for three years. Until a few months ago I was still using a korean phone. |
| 09:45.02 | ma3x | well in europe you need a sim card |
| 09:45.05 | Guerin | no |
| 09:45.06 | berzerka | i get ~25Mb/s with hdparm -t, and the cpu is used 100% during the test. i suspect that dma is not enabled. how can i query that, for a sata drive? |
| 09:45.11 | mike1o | ma3x, i guess they're cheap too |
| 09:45.17 | jugglinx | Guerin, in south or north korea? |
| 09:45.20 | ma3x | mike1o, almost free |
| 09:45.28 | ma3x | in france they're expensive - 40 euro |
| 09:45.29 | sep | aspWork, bonnie8++?) |
| 09:45.32 | ma3x | crazy bastards!! |
| 09:45.33 | mike1o | are u there now? |
| 09:45.33 | Guerin | on some GSM networks you need a sim card - there are other mobile technologies, it might shock you to know |
| 09:45.40 | ma3x | yea |
| 09:45.49 | Guerin | jugglinx: nobody really goes to the north |
| 09:45.54 | mc | haha |
| 09:46.16 | ma3x | Guerin, there isn't much cdma in the bigger part of europe |
| 09:46.39 | Guerin | ma3x: why are you telling me this irrelevant shit? |
| 09:46.42 | ma3x | i go to the north |
| 09:46.43 | aspWork | sep, ill give it a try, thnx |
| 09:46.49 | ma3x | i explore missiles |
| 09:46.53 | Guerin | yeah |
| 09:46.55 | ma3x | sends guerin a missile |
| 09:46.58 | jugglinx | Guerin, i understand... i was talking about the north... there isnt cell phones in the north korea? |
| 09:47.00 | Guerin | and I'm John Holmes |
| 09:47.06 | ma3x | haha |
| 09:47.08 | ma3x | whoever that is |
| 09:47.12 | sChaaa | hola |
| 09:47.22 | Guerin | jugglinx: how should I know? I've never been there. |
| 09:47.25 | ma3x | jugglinx, people have barely to eat |
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| 09:48.50 | ma3x | Guerin, you're george bush |
| 09:49.11 | mc | ma3x: you're an annoying little fella, aren't you? |
| 09:49.24 | ma3x | mc wouldn't say so |
| 09:49.30 | Guerin | i think the word `twat' is springing to mind |
| 09:49.44 | mc | also applies, yes |
| 09:50.11 | ma3x | twwhat? |
| 09:50.50 | ma3x | don't make me nuke :p |
| 09:50.53 | mc | sphincter says what |
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| 09:51.51 | ma3x | anyway, why debian installer doesn't recognize ahci enabled systems? |
| 09:51.54 | mc | apparently you also possess a sandy vagina |
| 09:51.57 | ma3x | (hard disks) |
| 09:52.11 | ma3x | mc shut up |
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| 09:52.28 | sep | my idea was that modprobe psmouse resetafter=5 would reset my mouse protocol periodically... but i still need to remove and reload the psmouse module when the mousewheel goes haywire (when swapping around on the kvm) |
| 09:52.29 | zophy | do they have beef cattle in the north ? |
| 09:52.38 | zophy | and tomatoes ? |
| 09:52.43 | sep | anyone else have a clue to how one can make the mousewheeel behave better |
| 09:52.46 | zophy | gotta have tomatoes |
| 09:52.53 | mc | tomatoes are delicious |
| 09:53.08 | mc | ma3x: being an ass hat is no way to get answers |
| 09:53.10 | zophy | i want to make tomato wine |
| 09:53.19 | mike1o | ma3x, can u send a couple of phones over here? |
| 09:53.36 | mc | tomato wine... interesting concept |
| 09:53.36 | zophy | mike1o, where are you ? |
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| 09:53.45 | mike1o | italy |
| 09:54.02 | zophy | nice country |
| 09:54.09 | mooper | hi, we are trying to work out a really cost effective way of doing lustre maybe using iscsi instead of fibre to connect the oss's with the ost's has anyone had any experiance of doing this? |
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| 09:55.24 | ma3x | mc i'm not being an ass |
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| 09:55.38 | ma3x | mike1o, they're not so cheap |
| 09:55.44 | ma3x | im not in s.korea right now |
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| 09:56.18 | mike1o | ma3x, here they're going nuts about those phones |
| 09:57.54 | ma3x | who? |
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| 09:58.32 | mike1o | ma3x, italians :) |
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| 09:59.27 | mike1o | even small children use them |
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| 10:02.21 | ma3x | mike1o, you can't use them there, I think italy uses sim cards only |
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| 10:03.02 | mike1o | ma3x, that's right |
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| 10:11.48 | Ace2016 | HI all |
| 10:11.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | evening |
| 10:12.16 | Ace2016 | i have a raid1 and a raid0, how do i get info on which partitions are involved and which raid they use |
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| 10:15.32 | SlayerXP | Ace2016: software or hardware raid? |
| 10:15.45 | sep | ace2001ac, assuming you mean md since you ask here so cat /proc/mdstat |
| 10:16.13 | Ace2016 | software raid with mdadm |
| 10:16.38 | Ace2016 | cat /proc/mdstat thats what i wanted |
| 10:16.51 | bayer | i have a machine with 2 interfaces on 2 different networks. pinging the first ip on eth0 works just fine, but eth1 doesnt respond. a tcpdump on eth1 reveals that there are icmp echo requests, but no replys are sent back |
| 10:17.43 | SerajewelKS | bayer: and you can confirm that the network on eth1 is working? have you tried using another box or swapping the cables between the two cards (assuming a dynamic setup) |
| 10:18.05 | bayer | SerajewelKS, yes, i can ping the gateway on eth1 |
| 10:18.25 | SerajewelKS | bayer: in your current configuration? |
| 10:18.31 | bayer | yes |
| 10:18.32 | sep | bayer, iptables blocking incoming icmp ? |
| 10:18.49 | bayer | sep, no - iptables are wide open |
| 10:18.56 | SerajewelKS | bayer: then the gateway may be blocking pongs |
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| 10:19.28 | bayer | SerajewelKS, then at least tcpdump would show the replys |
| 10:19.50 | SerajewelKS | bayer: are you running the tcpdump on the box serving as your gateway on eth1? |
| 10:20.36 | Silicium | anyone know in which function of debootstrap the Releasefile scan is? |
| 10:20.51 | Silicium | iam try to debug E: Invalid Release file, no valid components |
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| 10:21.22 | bayer | SerajewelKS, no i didnt try tcpdump on the gateway, as it seems not to make any sense because there are no replys on the machine with the 2 interfaces (called hikoukai) |
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| 10:21.40 | SerajewelKS | bayer: i thought you said you could ping the gateway? |
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| 10:22.19 | bayer | SerajewelKS, yes thats possible, |
| 10:22.32 | SerajewelKS | bayer: ok, so eth1 is working then, is it not? |
| 10:23.15 | bayer | SerajewelKS, yes, only for outgoing pings - but ingoing pings seem to get lost somehow |
| 10:23.45 | cafuego | bayer: maybe a dumb question, but id you enable ip forwarding? |
| 10:24.17 | bayer | cafuego, yes i did |
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| 10:24.26 | cafuego | sysctl net.ipv4.ip_forward returns 1? |
| 10:24.37 | SerajewelKS | bayer: ok, so if you ping the gateway then it responds, or you see the ping go out and it doesn't respond? |
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| 10:26.31 | bayer | SerajewelKS, pinging the gateway works just fine. but pinging hikoukai (the machine with the 2 interfaces) and running tcpdump on eth1 on hikoukai shows the incoming icmp echo requests, but no replys |
| 10:26.56 | SerajewelKS | ok woah, slow down |
| 10:27.08 | bayer | sorry :) |
| 10:27.17 | SerajewelKS | name all of the boxen, and say WHO is pinging, not just WHAT is being pinged |
| 10:27.35 | bayer | gateway is keiei |
| 10:27.54 | bayer | the machine with the 2 interfaces is hikoukai |
| 10:27.55 | SerajewelKS | gateway for hikoukai eth1? |
| 10:28.01 | bayer | yes |
| 10:28.24 | bayer | eth0 on hikoukai works just fine, no problem there |
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| 10:29.16 | bayer | ping from hikoukai to keiei is no problem |
| 10:30.01 | bayer | pinging hikoukai from any machine gives no response |
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| 10:30.12 | bayer | so i thought this might be because of some routing problem |
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| 10:30.24 | SerajewelKS | any machine from either interface? |
| 10:30.43 | bayer | no, only eth1 |
| 10:30.48 | SerajewelKS | ok |
| 10:30.54 | bayer | eth0 works just fine |
| 10:31.01 | SerajewelKS | try running tcpdump on eth0 as well, see if the reply is going out there |
| 10:31.21 | SerajewelKS | i don't know why it would, but worth a shot |
| 10:31.36 | SerajewelKS | also i'd double-check to make sure that something isn't causing the pings to be ignored |
| 10:31.48 | SerajewelKS | also try taking eth0 down and pinging |
| 10:32.08 | bayer | i already did tcpdump on eth0, no replys there |
| 10:32.21 | bayer | (not for incoming requests on eth1) |
| 10:32.41 | bayer | taking down eth0 makes eth1 work |
| 10:33.02 | bayer | wtf? |
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| 10:34.42 | SerajewelKS | yeah, fun |
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| 10:35.12 | SerajewelKS | at least now you know what to google :) |
| 10:35.15 | SerajewelKS | i need to get some sleep |
| 10:35.29 | bayer | just one more question |
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| 10:35.56 | bayer | what else besides the iptables could cause pings to be ignored? |
| 10:36.03 | SerajewelKS | well |
| 10:36.08 | SerajewelKS | in this situation, eth0 apparently |
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| 10:36.16 | Funt | bayer outside firewall |
| 10:36.18 | Funt | ? |
| 10:36.25 | bayer | no, on that machine |
| 10:36.30 | SerajewelKS | Funt: no, when he drops eth0 it works fine |
| 10:36.46 | Funt | it could be hardware related |
| 10:37.04 | SerajewelKS | bayer: i'm not sure why that would be giving you grief. i suggest googling something about two interfaces default gateway ping no response |
| 10:37.05 | Funt | try if it works on livecd |
| 10:37.32 | SerajewelKS | livecd will not help with a routing issue |
| 10:38.11 | Funt | if it is really a routing issue |
| 10:38.14 | bayer | SerajewelKS, well thanks anyway, i'm gonna google that problem |
| 10:38.24 | jelly | RichiH: for some reason I think Uli with a bad umlaut is more probable than bigendian chinese |
| 10:38.59 | SerajewelKS | Funt: if hardware causes pings to be ignored when two interfaces are up, but not when only one is up, i'd be very surprised |
| 10:39.08 | SerajewelKS | anyway, i'm going to bed |
| 10:39.38 | bayer | SerajewelKS, sleep well, and thanks! |
| 10:39.51 | SerajewelKS | bayer: np, night, good luck |
| 10:40.02 | dustybin | anybody know of a tool what can go through my entire FLAC collection, transcode everything into mp3s and save them somewhere else? |
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| 10:40.24 | SerajewelKS | dustybin: find -exec |
| 10:41.32 | dustybin | SerajewelKS: find /path/to/flac -name "*.flac" -exec /path/to/script/flac2mp3.sh {} \; |
| 10:41.51 | SerajewelKS | nods |
| 10:41.53 | dustybin | that will save all the mp3s in the same place i execute that ^^ |
| 10:42.13 | SerajewelKS | dustybin: not if you tweak the path inside the script- |
| 10:42.52 | SerajewelKS | dustybin: your $1 will be something like "./foo/bar/baz.flac" |
| 10:43.03 | dustybin | SerajewelKS: at the moment i have all my flac albums in dirs, ideally id like the whole structure to be exactly the same |
| 10:43.40 | SerajewelKS | dustybin: MP3_DEST="/location/of/mp3s/$1" |
| 10:44.19 | SerajewelKS | dustybin: then you just do this first: mkdir -p "$(dirname "$MP3_DEST")" |
| 10:44.49 | dustybin | yep thats exactly what i need |
| 10:44.55 | SerajewelKS | and to tweak the filename |
| 10:44.56 | dustybin | here is the script im using: flac2mp3.sh |
| 10:44.59 | dustybin | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2530 |
| 10:45.29 | SerajewelKS | MP3_DEST="/location/of/mp3s/$(basename "$1").mp3" |
| 10:45.48 | SerajewelKS | erm |
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| 10:46.09 | SerajewelKS | MP3_DEST="/location/of/mp3s/$(dirname "$1")/$(basename "$1").mp3" |
| 10:46.53 | raju | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.57 | SerajewelKS | that will give you the new path and change .flac to .mp3, then use the same mkdir line to create the directory structure prior to encoding |
| 10:47.01 | SerajewelKS | anyway i really do need to go to bed |
| 10:47.33 | dustybin | thans |
| 10:47.35 | dustybin | thanks |
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| 10:48.51 | apoorv_ | Hello guys, i am having issue with one of the PCI card on my desktop. Iget this error in my dmesg "ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:02:02.0 disabled Yamaha DS-1" "PCI: probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -16", and when i do aplay -l i get this "aplay: device_list:207: no soundcards found...". I have modules for yamaha "snd-ymfpci" loaded. Tried compiling latest alsa from their website. |
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| 10:50.08 | apoorv_ | Guys, i am having no sound. PLease help |
| 10:50.35 | apoorv_ | I have tried three distros, all of them are having same issue. Ubuntu, Linux Mint, RIP linux |
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| 10:51.09 | suwro | !metisse |
| 10:51.18 | suwro | hello |
| 10:51.40 | suwro | anyone know how to install metisse on debian lenny/sid ? |
| 10:51.49 | suwro | /# sidux |
| 10:51.52 | suwro | oops |
| 10:52.11 | cafuego | !info metisse |
| 10:52.17 | suwro | thank you |
| 10:52.17 | stew | apoorv_: ask #alsa |
| 10:52.28 | suwro | !info metisse |
| 10:52.30 | vorsprung | apoorv_, maybe you are using the wrong driver |
| 10:52.31 | cskts | apt-get alsa-utils alsa-base |
| 10:52.36 | apoorv_ | stew: that room is dead. |
| 10:52.40 | suwro | Package 'metisse' does not exist |
| 10:52.47 | ringo999 | hi, im thinking about setting up a debian based fileserver for a small home lan of wbox. I want to use gigabit ethernet, and have automatic backup (rsync) run on the server. Question: are there any problems using gigabit ethernet with debian? What filesystem should I use on the fileserver, fat32, or is ext just fine? |
| 10:53.01 | stew | apoorv_: what do you mean? |
| 10:53.39 | cafuego | ringo999: use ext3 or xfs; most Gbit cards are fine these days. |
| 10:53.40 | suwro | ringo999: no problem with kern 2.6.x - if i remember good gigabit support in kernel was added way ago |
| 10:53.41 | sep | ringo999, use ext3 |
| 10:53.47 | apoorv_ | Well , i have Yamaha Corporation YMF-724F [DS-1 Audio Controller] according to lspci, and have loaded snd-ymfpci. |
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| 10:53.57 | suwro | nobody has metisse? |
| 10:53.58 | cafuego | ringo999: What OS do the clients run? Linux? Windows? |
| 10:54.09 | apoorv_ | stew: tried to tak for help there, nobody have responded yet. |
| 10:54.13 | cafuego | suwro: obviously not |
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| 10:54.19 | suwro | darn |
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| 10:54.54 | vorsprung | denny and you answered "it's a slut" |
| 10:55.08 | apoorv_ | stew,vorsprung: can this be the cause "Yamaha DS-1 PCI: probe of 0000:02:02.0 failed with error -16" |
| 10:55.13 | apoorv_ | that was in dmesg |
| 10:55.21 | stew | apoorv_: yes |
| 10:55.53 | apoorv_ | So what can i do about it, can i start with some kernel boot option, which may fix it ? |
| 10:56.34 | apoorv_ | stew: i have this too in dmesg "ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:02:02.0 disabled" |
| 10:57.10 | raju | i want to detect my smart card in laptop how |
| 10:57.44 | apoorv_ | somewhere , after googling this issue a lot, i got this kernel boot option "pci=nommconf" , is this going to help ? |
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| 10:58.27 | cafuego | why don't you try it |
| 10:58.29 | AJUYH | how can i run x-mplayer2 videos embeded on firefox? :/ |
| 10:58.31 | cedric3 | hi i want to install nfs4 on etch is it possible ? |
| 10:58.32 | Decepticon | nom nom nom conf |
| 10:59.05 | apoorv_ | cafuego: i will try this now. |
| 10:59.08 | liable | gah, wpasupplicant is spamming my logs |
| 10:59.19 | apoorv_ | i have already tried acpi=off and acpi=ht |
| 10:59.32 | apoorv_ | OK, I will be back. :) |
| 11:01.27 | cafuego | ouchies goes the laptop |
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| 11:02.58 | sChaaa | FREE TIBET |
| 11:03.09 | ringo999 | cafuego: windows x64 |
| 11:03.34 | cafuego | ringo999: No, thankyou. |
| 11:03.38 | vorsprung | sChaaa, ....with new Olympic sized snack cakes |
| 11:04.03 | cafuego | EXECUTE SPAMMERS |
| 11:04.09 | ringo999 | cafuego: ? |
| 11:04.16 | cafuego | ringo999: Oh sorry :-) |
| 11:04.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | cafuego, good idea |
| 11:04.40 | cafuego | ringo999: i'd forgotten I asked you a question, looked rather non sequitor. |
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| 11:04.59 | cafuego | ringo999: Just a samba box then - go ext3 |
| 11:05.07 | humbolto | is there a top for hdd access? where I can see which app is causing all this HDD IO? |
| 11:05.09 | ringo999 | cafuego: no problem, thanks for helping. cool ;-) |
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| 11:05.52 | vorsprung | humbolto, hmmm top or ps + lsof maybe? |
| 11:06.08 | raju | i want to detect my smart card in laptop how |
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| 11:07.25 | stew | sChaaa: please keep it on-topic. do you have a debian related quesiton? |
| 11:07.45 | stew | humbolto: "echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump" and watch syslog |
| 11:08.04 | cafuego | off to be monkey |
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| 11:08.42 | icesword | ? |
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| 11:09.33 | humbolto | stew: is that really the only way to do this? by watching logs? there must be a io-top or something! isn't powertop doing something like that? |
| 11:10.30 | stew | humbolto: i dont' know. powertop is doing something like that, but not at all for io |
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| 11:12.26 | RichiH | jelly: you are so boring |
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| 11:17.25 | reto_ | heya |
| 11:17.31 | reto_ | is there a D compiler for debian? |
| 11:17.38 | reto_ | can't find a package |
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| 11:18.37 | suppaman | during install I've skipped networks repositories mirror and now I've got just deb cdrom: entry in sources.list |
| 11:18.51 | suppaman | can I call a setup for apt mirrors ? |
| 11:19.13 | icesword | !apt-spy |
| 11:19.13 | dpkg | i heard apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
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| 11:20.02 | cder | stew: you were giving me some idea yesterday about static ip i tried this setup, but still not quite correct debian:/home/andy# nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:20.02 | cder | debian:/home/andy# /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:20.02 | cder | Reconfiguring network interfaces...SIOCDELRT: No such process |
| 11:20.02 | cder | SIOCADDRT: Network is unreachable |
| 11:20.02 | cder | Failed to bring up eth0. |
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| 11:20.03 | qoreqyas | reto_: gdc |
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| 11:20.19 | reto_ | qoreqyas: hmm.. okay |
| 11:20.45 | reto_ | qoreqyas: ah it's in testing :) that explains it :) |
| 11:20.50 | suppaman | I used dselect but it hadn't a list of mirrors, is there such a setup tool? |
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| 11:21.09 | cder | i was i kicked out? |
| 11:21.23 | cder | debhelper? |
| 11:21.24 | suppaman | you were you |
| 11:21.32 | icesword | hehe |
| 11:21.36 | suppaman | pasteflood |
| 11:21.41 | icesword | this is debian,not ubuntu |
| 11:21.47 | cder | no it was a url |
| 11:21.57 | stew | !tell cder about paste |
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| 11:22.07 | cder | yes i know its not ubuntu |
| 11:22.16 | stew | suppaman: there is no setup tool, editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:23.08 | cder | stew you were makeing suggestions yesterday about a staic ip |
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| 11:24.16 | cder | stew: here is the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/976696 |
| 11:24.21 | mAyDaY | using Etch - does anyone know why (and how to change) the keyboard scheme on the login screen is different from the one used/setuped after the login ? |
| 11:24.51 | suppaman | stew: that's what I did, I meant it there's some app that prompt for a list of mirrors, I just copied it by hand from another debian box but was just curious about |
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| 11:27.01 | suppaman | is there an interfaces configurator too or do I have to edit /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 11:27.13 | stew | cder: as I said several times yesterday, you shouldn't specify network and broadcast, though they aren't the problem right now. the problem right now is that your gateway isn't in your subnet. |
| 11:27.52 | stew | suppaman: there is no such tool. there used to be apt-setup, but it is no longer offerred as a standalone application. there are netselect-apt and apt-spy which will test a bunch of mirrors and choose one for you |
| 11:29.21 | suppaman | stew: ah I see |
| 11:29.30 | suppaman | so that !apt-spy was for me after all |
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| 11:30.18 | Lagbolt | suppaman, there are tools that can configure your network, wired and wireless but not sure what you mean by editing interfaces. if you are talking basic networking or something more complicated |
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| 11:31.18 | suppaman | Lagbolt: nothing complicate, during install I didn't configure the ethernet interface (static) so now I wondered if there was an app to configure it as the installer would have done |
| 11:31.30 | suppaman | I'll just drop a static entry into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:31.49 | Lagbolt | there is a network gui that you can setup static |
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| 11:32.26 | cder | stew: ok at first i did not specify as you suggested but got an error message because they were not present |
| 11:32.43 | suppaman | Lagbolt: I've still not installed xorg |
| 11:32.51 | stew | cder: what error message did you get? |
| 11:32.57 | Lagbolt | ah well no gui then lol |
| 11:32.58 | suppaman | Lagbolt: or did you mean ncurses by "gui" ? |
| 11:33.26 | suppaman | another one: is there an xfce display manager? i.e. a gdm equivalent ? |
| 11:34.00 | stew | suppaman: no |
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| 11:35.00 | Lagbolt | display manager? |
| 11:35.04 | Lagbolt | you mean window manager? |
| 11:35.10 | suppaman | I don't |
| 11:35.22 | Lagbolt | xfce is a desktop env like gnome is |
| 11:35.23 | suppaman | gdm - GNOME Display Manager |
| 11:35.25 | stew | Lagbolt: he means display manager |
| 11:35.29 | Lagbolt | oh oh |
| 11:35.30 | Lagbolt | gotcha |
| 11:35.31 | suppaman | sure |
| 11:35.32 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 11:35.33 | mAyDaY | does anyone have experience with ati prop. drivers under etch? |
| 11:35.40 | Lagbolt | nope |
| 11:35.46 | Lagbolt | xdm kdm and gdm i think is it |
| 11:35.46 | stew | mAyDaY: lots of people. just ask your real question |
| 11:36.07 | mAyDaY | got radeon 9200 and using Etch |
| 11:36.27 | Lagbolt | hmm what is ldm |
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| 11:36.34 | mAyDaY | ati site provides 8.28 driver version for that configuration (9200 + linux_x86) |
| 11:36.43 | stew | "apt-cache showpkg x-display-manager" gives the full list of display managers in the "Reverse Provides" section |
| 11:36.45 | stew | mAyDaY: why would you use a non-free driver for that card? |
| 11:36.45 | themill | mAyDaY: both the free radeon driver and the non-free fglrx driver in etch support that chipset quite well. |
| 11:36.49 | Lagbolt | oh cool |
| 11:37.03 | mAyDaY | stew: it's known to be a bit faster |
| 11:37.21 | mAyDaY | btw. the problem is the following - after building the packages |
| 11:37.30 | mAyDaY | (--buildpkg Debian/etch) |
| 11:37.51 | mAyDaY | the main package, fglrx-driver....deb has a dependency problem |
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| 11:37.58 | mAyDaY | it's depending on xserver-xorg << 1.7.0.99 |
| 11:38.07 | mAyDaY | and Etch is running 1.7.1.13 (or 19) |
| 11:38.25 | themill | mAyDaY: in my experience on that chipset, the speed difference was minimal between the etch radeon driver and fglrx |
| 11:38.59 | mAyDaY | etch radeon driver as in "ati" or "radeon" ? (in xorg.conf) |
| 11:39.22 | stew | mAyDaY: either. if you select ati, it automatically would detect and switch to radeon |
| 11:39.23 | themill | either (they are the same) |
| 11:39.32 | mAyDaY | oh,... |
| 11:39.53 | mAyDaY | well, yesterday i tryed to give beryl a shot with the etch's radeon default drivers |
| 11:40.01 | mAyDaY | and it freezes on running it |
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| 11:40.34 | suppaman | what are sources.list security update entries for etch? |
| 11:40.37 | mAyDaY | so, it's probably not driver related? |
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| 11:40.58 | themill | mAyDaY: something tells me that with a card of that vintage, you probably don't want to have things like beryl running anyway. |
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| 11:41.06 | the_giver | anyone here know if its possible to use finch in screen.. but in turn also tie in the graphical GUI of pidgin to the finch session running inside of ur screen session (so they are always "insynch" and not so pidging just asks finch for info... ) |
| 11:41.18 | stew | suppaman: "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" |
| 11:41.21 | mAyDaY | themill: well, i can't know until i try :o) |
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| 11:42.08 | raj__ | hey i'm on some wireless atm |
| 11:42.16 | themill | suppaman: you can add "contrib non-free" to that as there are occasionally security updates for them too. |
| 11:42.39 | suppaman | thx |
| 11:42.42 | stew | themill: there are? |
| 11:43.05 | mAyDaY | is it a good idea to use backports packages? |
| 11:43.06 | themill | stew: there haven't been for a while, but there was talk about pushing a java5 update out through security |
| 11:43.47 | Akuw | is there any good guide to secure debian? |
| 11:44.09 | themill | stew: and while non-free is hard to provide security support for, there is no reason why contrib shouldn't have security support. (the etch installer includes contrib in the security line by default) |
| 11:44.14 | themill | !tell Akuw about securing debian |
| 11:44.15 | sep | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:45.06 | suppaman | mm aptitude from etch doesn't have safe-upgrade, is it normal? |
| 11:45.12 | suppaman | and can I run upgrade ? |
| 11:45.19 | themill | suppaman: that's a feature from lenny |
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| 11:45.45 | Ssam` | lol i still cant login |
| 11:45.51 | Ssam` | i mean shutdown |
| 11:45.51 | Ssam` | jeewiz |
| 11:46.00 | raj__ | Ssam`: Do you mean why you "can't"? |
| 11:46.11 | Ssam` | ummm Xfce u click shutdown |
| 11:46.24 | _mrstocks | Hi i have a Sony Vaio PCG 351M, but there is no cdrom or floppy ... i plugged in a usb floppy but i cant get it to boot of one.. any ideas ? |
| 11:46.26 | Ssam` | and the option for shutdown and reboot is unclickable |
| 11:46.36 | Ssam` | further more......only root can shutdown through terminal |
| 11:47.04 | themill | stew: of course including "contrib" in security but not in the mirror line means that people can accidentally pick up non-free software should there be something from security. |
| 11:47.31 | avtobiff | _mrstocks, use pxeboot |
| 11:47.42 | _mrstocks | of a netwrok ? |
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| 11:47.55 | themill | Ssam`: how do you start xfce? |
| 11:47.56 | ronr | is it a known issue that kde4 from experimental is currently uninstallable? |
| 11:48.04 | raj__ | themill: why so many activists get up in arms over the seal cull is a mystery to me |
| 11:48.22 | themill | !tell ronr about kde4 |
| 11:49.03 | cder | stew: ok i changed the gateway and missed out the lines as suggested here is resulthttp://pastebin.ca/976724 |
| 11:49.07 | stew | themill: i honestly didn't know security supported anything but main. i do see updates now |
| 11:49.07 | Ssam` | through a display manager |
| 11:49.13 | wald0 | I have a laptop that uses 'hermes' wifi driver, actually i see it in the blacklist ( /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ) because is replaced by prism/hostap driver(s), but i have tried hostap, prism2*, prism54, and no one give me internet except the blacklisted hermes |
| 11:49.15 | themill | raj__: Do you have a debian-related question? |
| 11:49.16 | Ssam` | Xdm |
| 11:49.23 | raj__ | themill: you betcha |
| 11:49.39 | _mrstocks | Can i install debian.. inside mandrake ? without root ? ;) |
| 11:49.55 | stew | cder: is dhclient running? how did you restart the network? |
| 11:49.55 | Ssam` | cna u run Gdm on Xfce i mean Gdm has options start X session and all |
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| 11:50.03 | Mantaar | _mrstocks: you CAN make a chroot. But that dosen't seem to make sense. |
| 11:50.35 | _mrstocks | Mantaar n ah i just want to kick it off to install it i doubt the hardware will be supported anyway |
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| 11:50.47 | Mantaar | _mrstocks: forget it - I was talking nonsense, you need root for chroot, AFAICT right now. |
| 11:51.13 | cder | stew: /etc/init.d/networking restart the addrwess you see in ifconfig is the same as before |
| 11:51.32 | stew | cder: is dhclient running? |
| 11:51.58 | Ssam` | well why cant i shutdown when i am not root |
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| 11:52.03 | stew | _mrstocks: you can install debian using debootstrap, however actually using it might be hard without root |
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| 11:52.10 | _mrstocks | can u hack brub to make it book from a cd? |
| 11:52.13 | _mrstocks | grub* |
| 11:52.52 | stew | Ssam`: becuase that would lessen the security of the system |
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| 11:53.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | _mrstocks, you could, but i'm not sure why you would |
| 11:53.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | strictly ti doesnt need hacking |
| 11:53.34 | _mrstocks | install something |
| 11:53.48 | icesword | Kamping_Kaiser, hi,there |
| 11:53.50 | Ssam` | shutdown? |
| 11:53.56 | stew | _mrstocks: why don't you get the help of the system administrator? |
| 11:53.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | icesword, evening |
| 11:54.01 | mAyDaY | using Etch - does anyone know why (and how to change) the keyboard scheme on the login screen is different from the one used/setuped after the login ? |
| 11:54.03 | Ssam` | okay how do i undo it |
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| 11:54.23 | icesword | Kamping_Kaiser, so you from au or ?uaaa,it is evening here |
| 11:54.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | icesword, AU |
| 11:54.45 | icesword | oic |
| 11:54.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | technically its night ;) |
| 11:55.06 | icesword | technically? |
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| 11:55.14 | _mrstocks | stew because i am the system admin, but the pc has mandrake, i don't have the root password and it wont boot from a usb floopy |
| 11:55.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | ^^ myt time |
| 11:55.31 | cder | stew: i cannot see it in ps -aux |
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| 11:56.08 | mAyDaY | another thing - is it possible to install debian without the all extra software thats gnome-desktop depending on? <3 |
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| 11:56.45 | icesword | lol? |
| 11:56.57 | stew | mAyDaY: yes, but not selecting "Desktop" while installing |
| 11:57.26 | mAyDaY | ok, and then? which pack to install from shell? |
| 11:57.41 | _mrstocks | debian-base |
| 11:57.56 | stew | mAyDaY: for what? |
| 11:58.02 | mAyDaY | for a gnome desktop |
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| 11:58.45 | stew | mAyDaY: aptitude install xorg ; and "/msg dpkg install gnome" for options installing gnome with less than the full desktop |
| 11:59.09 | _mrstocks | uhm in grub how do i tell it to enter the floppy and run it ? |
| 11:59.13 | mAyDaY | thnx! |
| 11:59.21 | raj__ | mAyDaY: ) |
| 12:01.09 | mAyDaY | btw. does anyone have experience here with authentication via ldap ? |
| 12:02.01 | stew | mAyDaY: assume yes and ask your real question |
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| 12:02.27 | mAyDaY | it's not a problematic question, more of a experience question |
| 12:02.32 | suppaman | bye |
| 12:03.25 | stew | mAyDaY: the chances are excellent that at least one of the 800 people here has experience authenticating via ldap |
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| 12:03.49 | mAyDaY | but how r the chances that at least 20 people of the 800 people here are present? :p |
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| 12:04.21 | icesword | hehee |
| 12:04.21 | stew | mAyDaY: conducting polls isn't something we condone |
| 12:04.29 | Mantaar | _mrstocks: you could try to use a liveCD. Or, if all else fails, take the hard drive and put that thing in another computer (where you have root) and chroot into it. |
| 12:04.31 | _mrstocks | i didn't ansedr such a generic question |
| 12:05.01 | Mantaar | _mrstocks: but I would really just try to boot into single user mode using grub (try init=/bin/sh or busybox or so) |
| 12:05.25 | _mrstocks | Mantaarn heh it wont boot from a cd or floopy ... and check it you, its a sony vaio pcg-351M |
| 12:05.46 | _mrstocks | 400gramms, 10" screen ... for about 2cm thik |
| 12:05.59 | engla | what happened with aptitude or the 2.6.24 kernel? before I had 2.6.22. Now when I run aptitude at the cli it's as if it sucked a lot of cpu power just to start -- making rhythmbox skip. New linux scheduling at fault? |
| 12:06.02 | _mrstocks | i do'nt think ill take the hd out ;) |
| 12:08.04 | vins | Hi I try to install my 4965agn wifi card on a debian lenny (testing) it seems to be recognized (ifconfig and iwconfig) but I can't access the web |
| 12:08.18 | vins | do you have an idea by any chance :) ? |
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| 12:10.09 | Mantaar | _mrstocks: then try booting with init=/bin/busybox or sh. Or, if it's an old kernel, you cold try to use some sort of exploit. |
| 12:10.14 | Knight_Lord | What could make a USB stick busy while not showing up in lsof? |
| 12:11.05 | cder | stew: i cannot seem to see dhclint ?http://patebin.ca/976744 |
| 12:11.19 | stew | cder: is network manager running? |
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| 12:11.56 | cder | stew: yes if you look at the last entry in the pastebin i just sent |
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| 12:14.09 | le_tresorier | hi. i have problem with debian testing : apt-get install python_support fails. |
| 12:14.15 | le_tresorier | dpkg -x python-support_0.7.7_all.deb us |
| 12:14.15 | le_tresorier | tar: Skipping to next header |
| 12:14.15 | le_tresorier | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 12:14.15 | le_tresorier | dpkg-deb: subprocess tar returned error exit status 2 |
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| 12:14.45 | le_tresorier | sorry i though that four line wouldn't fllod. |
| 12:15.27 | le_tresorier | for me it looks like python-support_0.7.7_all.deb is borken or either my dpkg , my gzip or my tar have problems |
| 12:16.16 | stew | cder: do you intend to use network manager to manage your interface? |
| 12:16.18 | le_tresorier | data.tar.gz of this python-support_0.7.7_all.deb is broken. |
| 12:16.45 | stew | le_tresorier: delete and re-download it |
| 12:16.57 | le_tresorier | stew: done twenty times. |
| 12:17.36 | le_tresorier | stew: if i do a wget http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/p/python-support/python-support_0.7.7_all.deb i get same error |
| 12:17.44 | le_tresorier | and on different mirrors too. |
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| 12:18.03 | le_tresorier | i asked to a friend to do it on his own computer and it failed too. |
| 12:18.36 | cder | stew: sorry the dhclint is running |
| 12:18.56 | stew | cder: kill it if you want to use a static ip |
| 12:19.03 | stew | le_tresorier: it works here, just upgraded from 0.7.6 |
| 12:19.08 | stew | le_tresorier: bdbfd518843ab1fe5464d621415c013d /var/cache/apt/archives/python-support_0.7.7_all.deb |
| 12:19.51 | cder | stew: ok then run /etc/init.d/networking restart again? |
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| 12:20.27 | stew | cder: sure. and make sure network-manager isn't trying to manage it |
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| 12:20.55 | cder | stew: at if it is? |
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| 12:21.14 | le_tresorier | stew: bdbfd518843ab1fe5464d621415c013d stands for sha1, md5 or what ? |
| 12:21.45 | cder | stew: and if network manager is trying to manage it? |
| 12:21.47 | stew | le_tresorier: md5sum |
| 12:21.54 | le_tresorier | uhm... |
| 12:21.55 | stew | cder: restart network-manager, i guess |
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| 12:22.18 | le_tresorier | md5sum python-support_0.7.7_all.deb : f0b63ed5dbb5c34daed03c1159e41cd0 python-support_0.7.7_all.deb |
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| 12:22.41 | stew | le_tresorier: then your download was either incomplete or damaged |
| 12:23.24 | le_tresorier | stew: i did it five times, and now this download is ok... this is very worrying |
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| 12:24.35 | codemasters | hi guys i have downloaded artistX |
| 12:24.42 | codemasters | Dvd |
| 12:24.53 | codemasters | i liked the GUI very much |
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| 12:25.22 | le_tresorier | stew: thanks for hint, surprising thingws is that multiple downlaods were wrong and same with friends... |
| 12:25.53 | flami | Hi, I am running lenny, Kaffeine is behaving quite strangely ... 1st : I can only access the xine settings when im playing a movie , or else it will crash. when i select a video driver that is not working it gives an error message, when i click "Ok" it crashes. when i click he stop button kaffeine crashes too. The thing all these crashes have in common is that i get nearly infinite amouts of " audio_alsa_out: snd_mixer_handle_events(): Bad file descriptor" . |
| 12:25.53 | flami | anyone got an idea whats wrong ? |
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| 12:27.20 | stew | le_tresorier: yes, that is supprising. i just ran "wget http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/p/python-support/python-support_0.7.7_all.deb -O- | md5sum -" and got "bdbfd518843ab1fe5464d621415c013d -" as expected, which matches the md5sum in the Packages file for my mirror |
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| 12:28.02 | strikov | Hi! After every apt-get calling i get Setting up coreutils (6.10-3) ... |
| 12:28.02 | strikov | install-info: No dir file specified; try --help for more information. |
| 12:28.02 | strikov | dpkg: error processing coreutils (--configure): |
| 12:28.03 | strikov | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.03 | strikov | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 12:28.03 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 12:28.33 | themill | !tell strikov about paste |
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| 12:29.08 | cder | stew: what happens is i kill dhclint run /etc/init.d/networking restart it diconnects reconnects and dhclint has established a new pid |
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| 12:30.16 | strikov | Every apt-get calling returns me coreutils error :( http://paste.debian.net/313 Help please |
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| 12:30.44 | dustybin | anybody know a command line tool what can embed album artwork into a mp3 ? |
| 12:30.44 | stew | cder: show us the entire contents of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:30.54 | ronr | I lost my connection, so retry: is it possible to assign users different homedirs (I got a laptop and I'd like to use my nfs mounted homedir if I'm in the office, but that one won't be able when I'm somewhere else) |
| 12:31.11 | themill | le_tresorier: what's the output of "file" on that deb package? Have you looked inside the file (e.g. is it actually a 404 error message or similar) |
| 12:32.01 | stew | strikov: what version of the 'dpkg' package is installed? |
| 12:32.22 | le_tresorier | themill: good point, i will see if error occurs again ( i did clean ) and checkl |
| 12:32.36 | strikov | stew: 1.14.16.6 |
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| 12:34.35 | wij32 | hey guys, im doing a debian net install...its an old laptop so i want it lightweight, if i choose not to install desktop environment, is it easy enough to get fluxbox on afterwards? |
| 12:34.43 | le_tresorier | themill: strange end part is filled with zeros. |
| 12:34.47 | wij32 | or should i install the desktop environment then delete gnome and kde? |
| 12:35.03 | stew | strikov: dunno then, check the bts for both packages |
| 12:36.21 | stew | wij32: just "aptitude install xorg fluxbox" |
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| 12:36.32 | cder | stew: http://pastebin.ca/976766 |
| 12:37.08 | wij32 | ah cool, so i wont choose desktop environment then :-) ivr heard fluxbox is nice and small? |
| 12:37.11 | wij32 | il take a look now |
| 12:37.14 | stew | cder: if that is the interfaces file you had when you last restarted networking without dhclient was running, i see no reason that another would be started |
| 12:37.41 | le_tresorier | stew: http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/python-support/python-support_0.7.7_all.deb, this seems to be a french mirror problem |
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| 12:37.59 | stew | wij32: if you later decide you want more stuff you might have gotten with the desktop task, you can run "tasksel --task-packages desktop" to see what packages you would have gotten choosing 'desktop' |
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| 12:38.19 | wij32 | ah right |
| 12:38.20 | wij32 | thanks |
| 12:38.47 | stew | le_tresorier: yes, but that problem doesn't exist on ftp.debian.org which you said you also tried. |
| 12:39.01 | cder | stew: it was running then i killed it with kill -9 pid number and restarted networking |
| 12:39.59 | le_tresorier | stew: now i am less sure since i used wget that rename file when conflicting to .1 .2 ... and i may have not looked the right one... |
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| 12:43.13 | cder | stew: i wonder ifs in anyway connected to /etc/resolv.conf as that file has the same ip as my gateway |
| 12:43.26 | stew | cder: its not |
| 12:43.38 | cder | stew; ok |
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| 12:45.26 | cder | stew: is there another way to stop dhclint from starting other than kill -9? |
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| 12:47.08 | stew | cder: kill -9 isn't a way to stop it from starting. i don't know what would be causing it to start other than having dhcp configured in your interfaces file. does dhclient have a ppid? |
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| 12:49.29 | _plouf_ | hi |
| 12:49.59 | _plouf_ | is it possible to see if a protocol is open ? |
| 12:50.16 | stew | _plouf_: what do you mean? |
| 12:50.41 | _plouf_ | I need to check if IP protocol 50 is firewalled |
| 12:50.48 | _plouf_ | (ipsec) |
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| 12:51.56 | _plouf_ | my isp say it's not but for me it's blocked |
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| 12:52.10 | _plouf_ | and I would like to check |
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| 12:54.32 | stew | _plouf_: try sending proto=50 packets using hping and see if they show up on the other side by running tcpdump? |
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| 12:54.53 | Ssam` | how do i manage users and groups? |
| 12:54.56 | Ssam` | in gui? |
| 12:55.00 | _plouf_ | hum |
| 12:55.15 | _plouf_ | not a bad idea stew |
| 12:55.19 | _plouf_ | will try |
| 12:55.24 | cder | stew: here is the line http://pastebin.ca/976785 |
| 12:55.32 | _plouf_ | thanks for you help |
| 12:55.47 | Ssam` | i mean in ubuntu on setting there was an app called users and management....is there something like this on debian |
| 12:56.00 | dv_ | hmm |
| 12:56.09 | dv_ | does nfs user server still use /etc/exports ? |
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| 12:56.52 | YodaYoda | Ssam`: Control Centre -> System Administration -> User Management. |
| 12:57.02 | Ssam` | am on Xfce |
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| 12:58.29 | stew | cder: you can check the ppid with "ps -O%P 4675" |
| 12:59.00 | wij32 | how to i make sure my sources.list gets from contrib non-free also? just add the line under main? |
| 12:59.41 | wij32 | so: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 13:00.33 | stew | wij32: correct |
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| 13:01.07 | strikov | stew: `dunno`? |
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| 13:01.29 | Ssam` | why isnt there a users and groups management in my systems tab? |
| 13:01.33 | Ssam` | do i need to install it |
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| 13:01.52 | k-man | how can i customise the gnome panel clock date and time format? |
| 13:02.01 | Ssam` | gtg ill bbl |
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| 13:03.02 | stew | strikov: sorry, by that I meant "I don't know" |
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| 13:03.59 | strikov | stew: oh, i see :) thanks |
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| 13:06.19 | cder | STEW: CAN YOU GIVE ME THAT PS COMMAND AGAIN |
| 13:06.25 | cder | sorry |
| 13:07.58 | RichiH | on a hunch, ps aux or ps faux? |
| 13:08.01 | RichiH | cder: ? |
| 13:08.09 | dv_ | nfs is so damn hard to get to run |
| 13:08.18 | raj__ | dv_: which would be the function's declaration? "void readnames ( char **names ) {}" ?? |
| 13:08.45 | dv_ | ?! |
| 13:08.53 | raj__ | dv_: which would be the function's declaration? "void readnames ( char **names ) {}" ?? |
| 13:08.58 | dv_ | what function? |
| 13:09.16 | cder | stew: i think it was ps -0%P 4675? |
| 13:09.18 | dv_ | what are you talking about? |
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| 13:10.39 | stew | cder: yes |
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| 13:12.47 | ArtVandalae | dv_, if this is a programming question, the following would be the function declaration: "void readnames ( char **names )" <-- it defines the function "prototype", the return type, function name, and arguments. |
| 13:13.24 | dv_ | N F S |
| 13:13.26 | cder | stew: i am geting the useage of ps for that command |
| 13:13.28 | dv_ | Network file systgem |
| 13:14.58 | cder | stew: ie its not correct |
| 13:15.09 | themill | raj__: please either ask debian-related questions or be silent. |
| 13:15.24 | raj__ | themill: k, everyone agree and lets go of him at all. "Can I borrow your car, because you'd be amazed what you dont want me? |
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| 13:15.47 | stew | cder: that is a capital-o not a zero |
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| 13:17.48 | RichiH | can i tie a ssh key to a specific source address? |
| 13:18.00 | RichiH | i.e. you are only allowed to use key foo from host bar |
| 13:19.11 | themill | RichiH: yes. Something like this is handy: from="192.168.100.1",no-port-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding,no-agent-forwarding,no-pty,command="....." ssh-rsa AAAAB3N... |
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| 13:19.55 | cder | stew:http://pastebin.ca/ 976825 |
| 13:19.56 | RichiH | themill: ok, i will poke the manpages |
| 13:19.57 | themill | RichiH: (i.e. prefix those commands to the key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys) |
| 13:20.15 | stew | cder: what does "ps 2557" return? |
| 13:20.33 | RichiH | themill: oh! |
| 13:22.59 | cder | stew: address 192.168.198.100 |
| 13:22.59 | cder | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:23.10 | cder | sorry |
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| 13:26.01 | cder | stew: http://pastebin.ca/976832 |
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| 13:29.39 | wij32 | i have used apt-get to install kismet, where can i find the config file? if its not in /usr/local/etc/ ? |
| 13:30.02 | stew | cder: i don't know what that is. i think it might be related to network-manager. try stopping network-manager and dhcdbd and make sure dhclient isn't running before restarting networking |
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| 13:30.39 | stew | wij32: debian packages never touch /usr/local. any config related to debian packages would be somewhere in /etc. if not /etc/kismet.conf then try /etc/kismet/* |
| 13:30.39 | cder | stew: stopping mean kill? |
| 13:30.48 | stew | cder: no, i mean /etc/init.d/foo stop |
| 13:30.57 | cder | stew: ok |
| 13:31.00 | wij32 | thanks stew |
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| 13:31.44 | cder | stew: dhclint kill that or stop it |
| 13:31.54 | chuckkh | is there a debian package providing OSC or liblo bindings for Python? |
| 13:32.35 | chuckkh | I'm searching for pyliblo, but if there's something else I'm not picky, and I'll compile it if necessary |
| 13:32.37 | stew | cder: i would expect dhclient to be stopped when you stop dhcdbd. if not, kill it with "kill dhclient" |
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| 13:36.24 | stew | chuckkh: find the name of the debian package providing liblo with "apt-cache -n search liblo", then find package which depend on that package with "apt-cache rdepends packagename" and see if it lists any python packages |
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| 13:38.27 | mardi | hello debianers |
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| 13:42.01 | chuckkh | stew: ah, thanks |
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| 13:44.33 | cder | stew: i am trying /etc/init.d/foo (the correct name) stop but no such file or directory |
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| 13:45.02 | abrotman | what is "foo" .. and does it exist and is it executable ? |
| 13:45.09 | stew | cder: i meant for you to substitude 'network-manager' and 'dhcdbd' for 'foo' |
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| 13:45.26 | cder | stew; yes i know |
| 13:45.42 | stew | cder: what exact comand did you run? |
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| 13:46.00 | \amethyst | cder: and /etc/init.d/foo exists? what does its first line say? (something like #! /some/program) |
| 13:46.27 | cder | stew: /etc/init.d/network-manager stop |
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| 13:46.53 | stew | cder: i don't know then. |
| 13:47.35 | abrotman | does it actually exist? |
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| 13:53.56 | Joelito | anyone know a good IDE with code completation to use with python-gtk? |
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| 14:00.39 | cder | stew: i think i did it i killed the three process and did restart internet works and ifcinfig shows the new address |
| 14:00.51 | cder | ifconfig |
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| 14:02.10 | cder | stew: the onlt thing that i did not kill was networkmanager dispatcher |
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| 14:02.44 | cder | stew: how to test its static |
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| 14:06.35 | pif | hi, anyone know how to configure access to a DRAC/4 card on a Dell server with ipmitool? |
| 14:06.50 | pif | or should I use the bios interface? |
| 14:07.25 | cder | stew: i hope everytime i reboot i do not have to go through a big process |
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| 14:09.57 | ^shark_ | hi -- i used this tutorial to setup my mail server >> http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ but now i am getting this error >> http://pastebin.com/m752ddf79. Any ideas why i am seeing this message? |
| 14:11.33 | BREAKIT | anyone here that know anything about ndiswrapper? |
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| 14:11.42 | stew | !ndiswrapper |
| 14:11.42 | dpkg | [ndiswrapper] a way to wrap Windows drivers so that they can be used on Linux (x86 or x86-64 only). If there is a Linux driver for your card, first consider that instead; if there isn't, ask me about <ndiswrapper one-liner> to set up NDISwrapper. #ndiswrapper @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:11.43 | sinizzl | hi there |
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| 14:12.53 | sinizzl | my debian computer has an intel onboard 1Gbit chip. i've connected a windows XP machine to it that has a gigabit ethernet port too. however, windows xp is telling me that teh bandwith is only 100mbps instead of 1gbps. is there a setting in debian i can change so that it's actually 1 gigabit? |
| 14:13.45 | abrotman | sinizzl: ethtool or mii-tool |
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| 14:14.31 | sinizzl | it's telling me supported link modes are: 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full <- that's not tru!!! |
| 14:14.41 | BREAKIT | well. I have ndis installed and mounted the cd with the driver. when i run ndiswrapper -i driver.inf it seems like everything went ok. BUT when i check the installed driver it says "invalid driver" |
| 14:15.22 | abrotman | sinizzl: it might be for that driver version |
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| 14:15.38 | sinizzl | hmmm |
| 14:15.45 | sinizzl | i use debian etch :( |
| 14:15.57 | abrotman | with 2.6.18 ? |
| 14:16.02 | sinizzl | yes |
| 14:16.37 | abrotman | sinizzl: if you want to try .. there is a 2.6.24 at backports.org |
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| 14:16.43 | sinizzl | naw |
| 14:16.46 | sinizzl | don't want to screw with it |
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| 14:16.58 | sinizzl | i'm having enough troubles with my windows box already |
| 14:17.07 | abrotman | windows isn't debian? :) |
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| 14:17.17 | sinizzl | i know :D |
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| 14:17.38 | sinizzl | why is apt-get install telling me teh following: 99% [Connecting to wine.budgetdedicated.com (88.159.206.7)] <- i haven't got that in my sources.list |
| 14:17.43 | sinizzl | err, apt-get update |
| 14:18.00 | abrotman | paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 14:18.48 | sinizzl | http://rafb.net/p/DrDhK153.html |
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| 14:23.11 | gusnan | Where do I look for packages that are intended to be packaged in Debian? Found the Asunder cdripper, and quite like it... |
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| 14:23.37 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 14:23.37 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 14:24.00 | gusnan | abrotman, thanks! |
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| 14:26.58 | stew | sinizzl: how about /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* ? |
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| 14:31.11 | debian | What is the name of the smb browser program? |
| 14:31.34 | qoreqyas | smbclient |
| 14:31.40 | mquin | linneighborhood is one |
| 14:31.49 | debian | qoreqyas: No |
| 14:31.54 | debian | the other one |
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| 14:32.00 | debian | smb2k or something |
| 14:32.14 | qoreqyas | smb4k |
| 14:32.17 | abrotman | debian: you really should find another nick |
| 14:32.18 | qoreqyas | apt-cache search samba browser |
| 14:32.56 | debian | abrotman: Why? I have registered it! |
| 14:33.41 | abrotman | why not /nick help ? |
| 14:33.45 | abrotman | i mean .. it's just as silly |
| 14:34.37 | debian | I dont think so |
| 14:34.56 | themill | debian: except that you'll get a nick highlight everytime we talk about something that's not related to you... |
| 14:35.29 | stew | debian: we'd ask you not to use the nick, becuase as you have already seen, it causes confusion to people in this channel seeking help |
| 14:35.37 | stew | debian: aptitude search \~Gprotocol::smb |
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| 14:36.35 | debian | I found the name it was smb4k |
| 14:36.47 | abrotman | they told you that |
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| 14:37.57 | debian | Yes |
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| 14:40.11 | debian | abrotman: Is the nick gentoo free? |
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| 14:41.21 | stew | debian: what does that mean? is that somehow relevant, or is it just meant to be antagonistic? |
| 14:41.26 | sinizzl | lol |
| 14:41.30 | sinizzl | obvious troll is obvious |
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| 14:42.35 | debian | stew: Just askin |
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| 14:42.49 | stew | debian: what? |
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| 14:43.27 | debian | If it was free, I was asked to change nick, so I wondered if gentoo was available. |
| 14:43.48 | Penix | which is just as stupid |
| 14:43.57 | abrotman | why don't you pick a nick that isn't a common word in a tech support channel |
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| 14:44.01 | abrotman | like your name |
| 14:44.18 | \amethyst | abrotman: according to /whois, debian *is* eir name :) |
| 14:44.26 | abrotman | \amethyst: you know what i mean! |
| 14:44.46 | stew | debian: please at least keep your questions on-topic |
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| 14:45.28 | stew | debian: if you are having trouble determining what nicks are available, "/msg nickserv help" or ask in #freenode |
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| 14:45.36 | debian | \amethyst: eir name? |
| 14:45.53 | debian | stew: ok |
| 14:46.38 | \amethyst | debian: a gender-neutral version of 'his', or singular 'their' |
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| 14:47.29 | \amethyst | I guess I could have just said 'their name', and everyone who doesn't like singular 'they' can go to hell |
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| 14:52.02 | abrotman | heh |
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| 14:53.40 | SzArAk | i've instaled vserver on debian testing host. installed testing guest as well. i want both appear in lan as separate machines, with it's own ip's. host is 192.25.0.2, guest 192.25.0.3 (in both ifconfig shows correct adresses). |
| 14:54.14 | SzArAk | i've installed ssh on guest, but when i connect to 192.25.0.3 i connect to guest instead of host |
| 14:55.04 | SzArAk | but when i log in any other computer in lan from guest, it is visible as .3 - as i want. |
| 14:55.35 | SzArAk | how can i make daemons in guest availible under 192.25.0.3 ? any ideas on what am i doing wrong? |
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| 14:56.44 | SzArAk | i didn't changed anything in networking setting. it was setted up after vserver name build |
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| 15:00.24 | foobar | hi, does anyone know the meaning of the asterisk * flag in the second column of the shadow file mean? |
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| 15:01.48 | mquin | foobar: it means the account has no password set |
| 15:02.09 | |Dede| | is there a way I can see in what type of DIMM the RAM on my debian server is installed? (terminal command) |
| 15:02.34 | foobar | mquin, is it (*) the same as space( ) ? |
| 15:03.12 | foobar | mquin: testuser:*:12345 |
| 15:03.18 | foobar | mquin: testuser: :12345 |
| 15:03.23 | foobar | mquin: testuser:!:12345 |
| 15:03.29 | foobar | mquin: testuser:x:12345 |
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| 15:04.19 | \amethyst | mquin: anything that isn't empty and isn't a valid crypt output means they can't log in |
| 15:04.29 | stew | foobar: man 5 shadow |
| 15:04.34 | stew | |Dede|: try dmidecode |
| 15:04.51 | mquin | foobar: what \amethyst said |
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| 15:05.28 | \amethyst | mquin: 'valid crypt output' means either 13 characters, or something like $1$8chars$22chars for MD5-based passwords |
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| 15:06.11 | mquin | \amethyst: it was foobar's question, not mine |
| 15:06.16 | \amethyst | doh |
| 15:06.17 | \amethyst | dorry |
| 15:06.20 | mquin | :) |
| 15:06.29 | foobar | thanks |
| 15:06.55 | \amethyst | foobar: man 5 shadow as stew said, and maybe also man 3 crypt (for which you'll need the manpages-dev package) |
| 15:06.57 | cast | i'm using an asshat isp with offpeak/onpeak datalimits, so wanting to max out the offpeak [from 2am-midday], i've before i went to bed been running sleep 2h; rtorrent *.torrent in one terminal and sleep 10h; pkill rtorrent. my question is is there already a tool to run a command for a selected amount of time then kill it? rather than my sleep;pkill combo |
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| 15:08.25 | jelly | cast: trickle and cron? |
| 15:08.47 | abrotman | i don't think he needs trickle ? |
| 15:09.02 | cast | he does not |
| 15:09.29 | jelly | oh, "timeout" then |
| 15:09.33 | cast | hmm |
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| 15:09.52 | jelly | serves me right for not reading the question |
| 15:09.59 | cast | timeout does it :) |
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| 15:11.34 | abrotman | doesn't get why midday is offpeak .. but whatever |
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| 15:11.47 | efaistos_ | mod_dav_svn by default allow just read-only access ? |
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| 15:12.44 | dcnoye | where do I search for deb packages ? |
| 15:12.58 | abrotman | dcnoye: apt-cache search |
| 15:13.02 | abrotman | !search |
| 15:13.02 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 15:13.40 | SlayerXP | efaistos_: it doesn't configure itself, see the svn book for an example minimal working apache config |
| 15:13.45 | dcnoye | ah, thanks http://packages.debian.org is what i was looking for |
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| 15:18.09 | havacci | I need help.. i have to add my user to loggin in the NIS server.. how I do this ? |
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| 15:20.17 | havacci | i already add my username in adduser |
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| 15:20.52 | havacci | but until now i haven't sucess |
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| 15:20.55 | havacci | =/ |
| 15:21.19 | \amethyst | havacci: you did adduser on the NIS server? |
| 15:21.25 | suppaman | I've upgraded etch and now ethernet doesn't work anymore |
| 15:21.36 | havacci | yes |
| 15:21.46 | suppaman | module is 8139too it's not echoing anything when the ethernet cable is plugged/unplugged |
| 15:21.58 | \amethyst | havacci: then you just need to ypbuild to rebuild the maps from the passwd and group files |
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| 15:22.11 | suppaman | and MAC address is 64 bit and this is somewhat strange |
| 15:22.39 | havacci | in the local server i can connect ... |
| 15:22.49 | havacci | *loggin |
| 15:23.00 | \amethyst | havacci: http://uw713doc.sco.com/en/NET_nis/nisT.user_adding.html |
| 15:23.01 | havacci | ooh thanks \amethyst |
| 15:23.08 | havacci | i don't try that |
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| 15:24.11 | havacci | in there don't have a 'ypbuild' command |
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| 15:26.05 | deadcat | what the f is this: Xlib: Maximum number of clients reached |
| 15:26.08 | havacci | thanks \amethyst |
| 15:26.11 | havacci | see you |
| 15:26.12 | havacci | xD |
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| 15:27.30 | abrotman | deadcat: you have reached the end of the internet, please go back and start again |
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| 15:28.11 | opensrcguru | now thats good humor. |
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| 15:28.14 | deadcat | abrotman: is that mean no porn for me? )= |
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| 15:28.25 | suppaman | I think there's some dependecy problem in etch |
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| 15:28.34 | deadcat | i am using sid |
| 15:28.36 | suppaman | I installed xfce4 without having xorg |
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| 15:28.59 | abrotman | suppaman: that's normal .. some people use remote X |
| 15:29.45 | suppaman | ah ok |
| 15:29.54 | suppaman | any hint about the ethernet problem ?= |
| 15:30.02 | suppaman | is a 64 bit mac address regular nowadays? |
| 15:30.03 | dworkin | is there a nice way of NOT having certain services automatically start after each reboot? (like sshd, nfs, hddtemp) a nice standard way, not removing scripts from /etc/init.d/ |
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| 15:30.25 | opensrcguru | dworkin: sysv-rc-conf is nice. |
| 15:30.32 | foobar | \amethyst: found some useful info here http://nixforums.org/about31229.html |
| 15:30.35 | Nwallins|home | I'm having trouble with a new system -- etch. two SATA drives, raid-1 w/ mdadm. they boot fine when they're the only drives in the system. I added an IDE drive, and it looks like the IDE drive is first to boot, despite removing it from the BIOS boot list |
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| 15:31.08 | Nwallins|home | does adding drives to a system change the (hd0,1) designations in menu.lst? |
| 15:31.16 | stiller | hello |
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| 15:31.41 | stiller | is there a way to make reboot instead of shutdown -h or halt? |
| 15:31.42 | abrotman | Nwallins|home: it certainly can |
| 15:31.50 | abrotman | stiller: 'reboot' ? |
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| 15:32.10 | stiller | soory halt |
| 15:32.12 | Dantix | how should be the way to boot a box directly to graphical application without show the windows manager desktop? |
| 15:32.17 | stiller | aaaahh.. |
| 15:32.31 | visof | i have probel with the sound at Debian , it's working for a while then stop , what should i do? |
| 15:32.39 | stiller | i mean i need to prevent system power off with shutdown -h or halt |
| 15:32.46 | Nwallins|home | abrotman: do you figure it's a BIOS bug? basically if I halt the machine, add an IDE drive, and reboot, I just get a blinking cursor after POST |
| 15:32.50 | dworkin | opensrcguru, thank you, it looks very nice |
| 15:32.57 | Nwallins|home | abrotman: a BIOS bug, since the IDE drive is not in the boot list |
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| 15:33.40 | opensrcguru | stiller: init <runlevel number> works as well. in your case, replace runlevel with the number 6. see 'man 8 init' init for more info. |
| 15:34.20 | stiller | opensrcguru: then what? init6 will never power off? |
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| 15:35.07 | opensrcguru | stiller: 'init 0' powers the machine off |
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| 15:35.32 | opensrcguru | stiller: 'init 6' reboots |
| 15:36.05 | hotdog003 | How might I remove a broken package? Thanks to a mishap with "alien --scripts", the vmware workstation 6.5 beta package won't remove from my system even with 'dpkg -P --force-reinstreq' |
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| 15:36.25 | \amethyst | !bad |
| 15:36.26 | dpkg | bad is, like, Bay Area Debian, or what I am, and you know it! |
| 15:36.28 | \amethyst | hm |
| 15:36.39 | stew | hotdog003: fix the broken package, then remove it with 'dpkr -r pacakgename' |
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| 15:36.43 | \amethyst | hotdog003: could you pastebin the error that you get when you try dpkg -P |
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| 15:37.14 | \amethyst | hotdog003: probably there's an error in the prerm or postrm script and you'll have to either fix it, or disable that script |
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| 15:37.22 | stiller | opensrcguru: i have similar effect in runlevel 3 (halt or shutdown -h reboot the server) i dunno how to reproduce it |
| 15:37.28 | stiller | opensrcguru: what to dig? |
| 15:37.32 | hotdog003 | http://debian.pastebin.com/m1e1abc75 |
| 15:38.00 | ragbrai | Im was looking for permission to w/r in /tmp directory for tomcat service, and I found that /tmp directory have permission "rwxrwxrwt", what does "t" means? |
| 15:38.27 | stew | hotdog003: there is a bug in /var/lib/dpkg/info/vmwareworkstation.postrm |
| 15:38.53 | stew | ragbrai: http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 15:39.04 | ragbrai | thank you stew |
| 15:39.33 | mquin | ragbrai: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_bit |
| 15:39.39 | opensrcguru | stiller: to reiterate. in runlevel 3, you issue a 'halt' or 'shutdown -h' and the machine reboots? |
| 15:39.59 | stiller | opensrcguru: exactly |
| 15:40.15 | ragbrai | mquin, thank you. |
| 15:40.17 | hotdog003 | Hey, thanks, stew and \amethyst. |
| 15:40.26 | hotdog003 | I didn't know that was where we keep all the scripts. |
| 15:40.32 | hotdog003 | Fixed and purged! ^_^ |
| 15:41.02 | stiller | opensrcguru: so the server never mistakenly shuts down from ssh f.e. |
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| 15:41.32 | Dantix | how should be the way to boot a box directly to graphical application without show the windows manager desktop? |
| 15:41.33 | stiller | opensrcguru: so i need to reproduce same thing but dunno what to dig |
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| 15:41.55 | stew | Dantix: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 15:42.00 | SzArAk | anyone can help with linux vserver networking on debian? i asked longer question at 15:53 GMT :) :P |
| 15:42.02 | suppaman | I'm gonna do a bad thing |
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| 15:42.18 | suppaman | I'll reinstall from zero rather than try to solve the problem |
| 15:42.34 | suppaman | but time is valuable now |
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| 15:42.49 | pif | hi, where can I obtain a packaged "racadm" dell utility ? |
| 15:42.50 | opensrcguru | stiller: do the init commands have the same result? |
| 15:43.13 | Dantix | stew: thanks |
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| 15:44.25 | stiller | opensrcguru: which commands? sorry for misunderstanding |
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| 15:44.41 | opensrcguru | stiller: have you tried 'init 0' |
| 15:44.42 | SzArAk | i've got problem with networking in linux vserver. when i connect from guest, it's visible correctly with it's own ip i gave him. when i try to connect to guest system from any other system in the same network i get connected with host instead of guest. any clue what could be wrong? |
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| 15:45.29 | stiller | nope.. why do i have to? :) i have no problems with init commands. i need to disable system's power off.. |
| 15:45.32 | stiller | opensrcguru: ^ |
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| 15:45.42 | opensrcguru | oh |
| 15:46.03 | konadr_ | whats the equivalent of redhat kickstart in debian? |
| 15:46.06 | opensrcguru | stiller: i thought the issues was it wouldnt poweroff ;) |
| 15:46.09 | opensrcguru | ha |
| 15:46.20 | shri | can i use complete function in interrupt context to trigger/wake up a kernel thread |
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| 15:46.53 | stiller | opensrcguru: i wanna prevent system power off from cli by shutdown -h or halt |
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| 15:47.26 | stiller | opensrcguru: i've seen a solution somewhere and have no idea where and what the solution was about |
| 15:48.16 | opensrcguru | stiller: hrmm. |
| 15:48.24 | \amethyst | stiller: I can't really test right now, but does commenting out the l0 and l6 lines in /etc/inittab work ? |
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| 15:48.59 | \amethyst | stiller: you'll need to do init q to reread inittab |
| 15:49.51 | cast | hmm, pkill says it sends the SIGTERM signal, which isn't listed in the kill manpage, is that the same as KILL [9]? |
| 15:50.34 | \amethyst | cast: no it's not |
| 15:50.41 | suppaman | konadr_: what's kickstart? |
| 15:50.42 | \amethyst | cast: man 7 signal |
| 15:50.42 | liable | kill 6 innit? |
| 15:50.55 | suppaman | and wasn't kickstart an Amiga thing at all? |
| 15:50.56 | \amethyst | TERM is 15 usually |
| 15:51.22 | \amethyst | actually, TERM is specified to be 15 by the standard |
| 15:51.27 | konadr_ | it is a system that allows you to install multiple systems from one general config file suppaman a lot like autoyast in suse |
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| 15:52.15 | suppaman | konadr_: I can't figure it out |
| 15:52.26 | stew | konadr_: /msg dpkg fai ; /msg dpkg preseed |
| 15:52.28 | \amethyst | konadr_: maybe some combination of debootstrap and pre-seeding |
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| 15:52.37 | stiller | opensrcguru: \amethyst: i have the stuff working on the server and don't wanna test it there. i have ma another debian but cannot reproduce it there.. l0 and l6 looks (on the server) pretty standart: 0:wait:/etc/init.d/rc 0 (and 6 for 0 at l6) |
| 15:52.57 | \amethyst | stiller: right, that's what runs the rc0.d scripts |
| 15:53.12 | stiller | \amethyst: so what do i have to check? |
| 15:53.13 | \amethyst | stiller: the last of which halts the computer |
| 15:53.21 | benjamindees | is there any program besides qcad that distinguishes between ledger and tabloid paper sizes? (since they're the same size, just rotated) |
| 15:53.29 | suppaman | oh my, etch installer is taking forever to delete data on an ext3 partition |
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| 15:53.42 | \amethyst | stiller: try shutdown -h now |
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| 15:53.54 | stiller | \amethyst: no on server... :) pls |
| 15:54.04 | stiller | \amethyst: not now... anyway... |
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| 15:54.35 | stiller | \amethyst: i've done this mistakenly once or twice and it rebooted |
| 15:54.38 | stiller | promise |
| 15:55.00 | konadr_ | thanks \amethyst and stew |
| 15:55.04 | \amethyst | stiller: shutdown -h 60 then |
| 15:55.20 | \amethyst | stiller: 60 minutes should be plenty of time to press ctrl-c and cancel the shutdown :) |
| 15:55.26 | \amethyst | actually though |
| 15:55.33 | stiller | in \rc0.d\S90halt nothing suspicious... everything looks ok |
| 15:55.37 | stiller | \amethyst: ^ |
| 15:55.49 | \amethyst | stiller: there isn't a line that does halt -f |
| 15:55.50 | \amethyst | ? |
| 15:56.11 | \amethyst | stiller: that's the other thing, even if those runlevels are disabled, root can still call halt -f and force a halt |
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| 15:56.31 | Nyle | HI |
| 15:56.34 | Nyle | hi |
| 15:56.37 | suppaman | xorg should automagically configure itself, shouldn't it ? |
| 15:56.44 | Nyle | suppaman, no it shouldn't. |
| 15:56.50 | Nyle | !drxx |
| 15:56.50 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 15:56.56 | usser | nothing configures itself |
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| 15:58.10 | stew | awesome, do we get to start ditching xfree factoids today? :) |
| 15:58.15 | stiller | \amethyst: first... what do you expect me to see after "shutdown -h 60" second: yeah... there (in rc0.d/S90halt) last two lines are: halt -d -f -i $poweroff $hddown \ : exit 0 |
| 15:58.18 | aawd | should crontab have read/write permission to /var/spool/cron/crontabs/user? |
| 15:58.35 | aawd | because after I updated I cant do crontab -l, it just complains about permission |
| 15:58.51 | \amethyst | stiller: hm, actually, the 60 thing won't help find out if it works anyway |
| 15:59.04 | stiller | \amethyst: think so :) |
| 15:59.13 | stew | aawd: what does "ls -l /usr/bin/crontab" return? |
| 15:59.14 | \amethyst | stiller: since it won't find out that runlevel 0 does nothing until *after* the 60 minutes are up :) |
| 15:59.36 | aawd | stew: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26924 Mar 14 01:28 /usr/bin/crontab |
| 15:59.42 | suppaman | Nyle: bad, bad xorg... |
| 15:59.59 | stew | aawd: yeah, that should be sgid and should be owned by root:crontab |
| 16:00.29 | suppaman | Nyle: as I'm installing etch just now shouldn't configure phase be run at this stage? |
| 16:00.30 | aawd | ah, so I change the grp to crontab then? |
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| 16:00.45 | stew | aawd: yes, and make it g+s |
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| 16:01.21 | stiller | \amethyst: here seems to be the solution in S90halt: |
| 16:01.22 | stiller | == |
| 16:01.24 | stiller | # If INIT_HALT=HALT don't poweroff. |
| 16:01.25 | stiller | poweroff="-p" |
| 16:01.27 | stiller | if [ "$INIT_HALT" = "HALT" ] |
| 16:01.29 | stiller | then |
| 16:01.30 | stiller | poweroff="" |
| 16:01.32 | stiller | fi |
| 16:01.33 | stiller | halt -d -f -i $poweroff $hddown |
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| 16:01.35 | stiller | : exit 0 |
| 16:01.36 | stiller | sorry for flooding |
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| 16:01.43 | stew | aawd: i would be curious as to how this got the wrong permissions/ownership in the first place |
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| 16:02.13 | stiller | \amethyst: or may be not :( |
| 16:02.44 | stiller | \amethyst: sorry.. there is nothing special in it... |
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| 16:02.57 | aawd | stew: good question |
| 16:03.56 | clusty_ | is there a way to find out all assigned IPs on the local network? |
| 16:04.09 | clusty_ | from one of the PCs |
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| 16:04.50 | opensrcguru | clusty_: nmap -v -sP > nmap.out |
| 16:05.06 | opensrcguru | clusty_: that is, if the machines are pingable |
| 16:05.20 | Dave_is_sexy | Hi all. If my computer is connected to another via a crossover cable, how on earth can i ftp to it if I don't know it's IP. There must be a way right? |
| 16:05.33 | clusty_ | opensrcguru, thanks. guess they are |
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| 16:06.48 | opensrcguru | Dave_is_sexy: if you can attache a xover cable, why can you find out its IP? |
| 16:06.57 | clusty_ | opensrcguru, and how to I specify all machines 192.168.178.XXX ? |
| 16:07.09 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: you can't ftp to it without knowing its ip address |
| 16:07.36 | Dave_is_sexy | :( |
| 16:07.39 | stew | clusty_: there is no way to find out all assigned IPs on the local network from anywhere but the machine doing the assigning |
| 16:07.54 | Dave_is_sexy | :(:( |
| 16:07.56 | opensrcguru | clusty_: nmap -v -sP 192.168.178.xxx/xx > nmap.out |
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| 16:08.17 | Dave_is_sexy | what about "ping every ip" and then i'll get it eventually |
| 16:08.22 | dcnoye | how do i go about getting the original source for a package.. ? looking for svn-buildpackage 6.23 source and not finding ... |
| 16:08.33 | benjamindees | Dave_is_sexy, if they respond |
| 16:08.43 | Dave_is_sexy | it will, it's next to me |
| 16:08.54 | Dave_is_sexy | it just has no monitor or input devices |
| 16:09.11 | Dave_is_sexy | and this one is a laptop, so... :( |
| 16:09.18 | opensrcguru | Dave_is_sexy: tcpdump on that interaface and investigate the output for hints.....that 'may' get you there depending on how chatty the other interface is. |
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| 16:09.34 | \amethyst | dcnoye: apt-get source svn-buildpackage (assuming your sources.list has a deb-src entry for lenny or sid) |
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| 16:10.08 | benjamindees | Dave_is_sexy, try arp |
| 16:10.12 | dcnoye | thanks dude ! |
| 16:10.16 | \amethyst | dcnoye: or go to http://packages.debian.org/sid/svn-buildpackage and get the .tar.gz and .dsc from the "Links" box on the RHS |
| 16:10.24 | opensrcguru | Dave_is_sexy: sometimes the manual method is the best. grab a monitor/kbd and login ;) |
| 16:10.41 | Dave_is_sexy | I would if I had one |
| 16:10.58 | opensrcguru | Dave_is_sexy: is serial console setup? |
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| 16:11.21 | Dave_is_sexy | not sure. I know that it's running an ftp server |
| 16:11.36 | stew | Dave_is_sexy: try tcpdump and see if you see the other machine sending any packets. try 'arp -a' |
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| 16:12.21 | clusty_ | opensrcguru, got it. thanks |
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| 16:13.15 | opensrcguru | clusty_: glad to help. |
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| 16:13.43 | |Dede| | is there an option to message all roots if a ssh login fails (so they might be warned)? |
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| 16:14.10 | clusty_ | |Dede|, try fail2ban |
| 16:14.17 | benjamindees | there is a serious versioning problem going on with the qcad package |
| 16:14.32 | clusty_ | |Dede|, it scans /var/log/auth for FAILS |
| 16:14.43 | clusty_ | it can even add iptables bans |
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| 16:15.23 | benjamindees | the maintainer seems to be adding new digits instead of incrementing the last one |
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| 16:15.36 | abrotman | benjamindees: such as? |
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| 16:16.33 | benjamindees | abrotman, 2.0.5.0-1-2.1 |
| 16:16.50 | benjamindees | that's just not right |
| 16:17.02 | stew | benjamindees: yes it is |
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| 16:17.21 | abrotman | benjamindees: sure it is |
| 16:17.50 | benjamindees | the version hasn't changed since sarge; it doesn't need seven digits |
| 16:17.56 | stew | the upstream version is 2.0.5.0-1. the debian maintainer has released two versions of the debian package, "2.0.5.0-1-1" and "2.0.5.0-1-2". then there was a non-maintainer upload of the "2.0.5.0-1-2" package, which was 2.0.5.0-1-2.1 |
| 16:18.22 | stew | benjamindees: when the upstream version has 5 digits, there really isn't a choice |
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| 16:19.09 | dc2447 | If I have a server running sarge and I can't upgrade it to etch - by leaving the sources.list pointing to stable will that mean apt will try and install etch packages on a sarge system as etch is now stable? |
| 16:19.36 | stew | dc2447: yes, you should point them at 'sarge' instead until you are ready to upgrade to etch |
| 16:19.41 | stew | dc2447: why can't you upgrade it to etch? |
| 16:19.54 | stew | dc2447: (note that sarge is no longer supported, and will no longer be getting security patches) |
| 16:20.07 | dc2447 | stew: I can't upgrade to etch because there is too many of these servers |
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| 16:21.09 | dc2447 | one final question - what about backports - they only seem to support etch - |
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| 16:21.36 | benjamindees | dc2447, there are sarge-backports |
| 16:21.51 | stew | dc2447: they support sarge for now, but expect support for sarge to be dropped |
| 16:22.08 | dc2447 | stew: I'm getting off srage by the end of the month |
| 16:22.23 | \amethyst | created with cat? |
| 16:22.24 | Dave_is_sexy | *goes to connect pc to television* |
| 16:22.25 | \amethyst | doh |
| 16:22.37 | |Dede| | clusty_: Do you know how I can make it message all roots/users? |
| 16:22.42 | benjamindees | is going to sarge rehab |
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| 16:23.18 | dc2447 | so can someone show me the sarge backports url? I an trying: deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free but get 404 |
| 16:23.44 | moshii | Is is possible to configure adduser to add user ids >1000 to an LDAP directory, in a nice Debian(TM) way? |
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| 16:24.51 | stew | dc2447: that one is correct |
| 16:25.05 | dc2447 | stew: that 404s for me - odd |
| 16:25.55 | stew | dc2447: not for me |
| 16:26.15 | codazoda | Since installing a kerberos ticket, ssh always takes a long time. When I debug, it pauses before "Server not found in Kerberos database". Any way to get it to stop checking for a ticket on certain domains? |
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| 16:26.41 | adama | !pastebin |
| 16:26.41 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 16:27.42 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.48 | cast | i mean, night! |
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| 16:27.54 | dc2447 | stew: thanks |
| 16:28.54 | codazoda | There's a -k option that disables GSSAPI, but that didn't change the behavior and error. |
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| 16:30.11 | adama | dpkg is breaking stuff :( http://pastebin.ca/977058 |
| 16:30.32 | aboyz | hi, i'm using smartsvn. is there a way to revert back to a differnet revision? anyone know a way to do this? Say I commit something say revision 4, and i want to revert back to revision 3. how would i do that? anyone know I don't see that option. anywhere?? |
| 16:30.37 | abrotman | adama: use aptitude |
| 16:30.46 | abrotman | !tell adama about overwrite |
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| 16:33.30 | dc2447 | aboyz: check out version 3 - check in over version 4 |
| 16:33.47 | |Dede| | does fail2ban have an own IRC channel? |
| 16:33.50 | benjamindees | haha this is hilariously screwed up. I print from qcad, selecting "portrait" and "ledger", to a .ps file. I open it in evince. It's sideways. I print it with lp -o "PageSize=11x17 landscape" and it turns out fine :D |
| 16:33.50 | adama | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 16:34.06 | stew | adama: welcome to unstable |
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| 16:34.32 | aboyz | dc2447. how do you check out version 3? |
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| 16:38.38 | The-Shadow | what is good remote desktop software where your server does not need a GFX for? |
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| 16:39.36 | usser | The-Shadow: ssh |
| 16:39.49 | The-Shadow | heh, i meant with a GUI :P |
| 16:40.06 | stew | The-Shadow: why would you want to run a gui on a remote server? |
| 16:40.12 | usser | The-Shadow: oh what's gfx then? graphics card? |
| 16:40.39 | The-Shadow | tried x-window but its nagging because there's no GFX |
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| 16:41.30 | The-Shadow | stew: just like to do more then just use ssh :P |
| 16:41.38 | The-Shadow | not only for me but also for my users |
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| 16:42.03 | stew | The-Shadow: what kind of things do you want to use the server for that require a gui? |
| 16:42.40 | The-Shadow | drag-drop, and just reading files normally instead of vi/nano and w/e |
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| 16:43.14 | JoshL | The-Shadow: KDE with KIO will let you drag/drop etc. using your local X and a remote SFTP site. |
| 16:43.20 | dutchfish | !gedit |
| 16:43.27 | JoshL | The-Shadow: (including editing files, etc. as though they were local) |
| 16:43.33 | The-Shadow | and that will work without a GFX? |
| 16:43.59 | JoshL | The-Shadow: You would run KDE locally and then the server wouldn't need any graphical environment. (Generally speaking, servers shouldn't have X installed anyway) |
| 16:44.07 | dutchfish | without a desktop use mc |
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| 16:44.14 | benjamindees | The-Shadow, with X11, you run the 'server' on the computer with the display and the client on the computer without the display |
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| 16:44.57 | The-Shadow | cool, lemme have a look |
| 16:45.03 | benjamindees | or there is probably a vnc server that will work |
| 16:45.15 | JoshL | benjamindees: Isn't that the other way around? The client has to display the stuff that the server is putting out.... |
| 16:45.15 | dutchfish | vnc is not secure |
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| 16:45.23 | dutchfish | only when tunneled |
| 16:45.24 | JoshL | VNC tunneled over SSH |
| 16:45.43 | grendal_prime | i need to set up a user account so someone ca just view some data securly. I have set up a standard user account and set the permissions so they can only view and execute in there home dir...is there something i can do to limit there access even more? |
| 16:45.58 | JoshL | grendal: Google for "ssh chroot" |
| 16:46.14 | dutchfish | grendal_prime, chroot shell |
| 16:46.15 | grendal_prime | they have bin bash account..can i limit that to something else? |
| 16:46.18 | stew | JoshL: no, the server display's stuff that the clients request to be displayed |
| 16:46.41 | JoshL | stew: Ah. And to think I've been using the terminology backward in that regard for years ;) |
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| 16:46.51 | benjamindees | JoshL, the server provides access to a shared resource; that resource is the display hardware |
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| 16:47.06 | stew | JoshL: with x, the server is a 'display server', which typically has a montor, keyboard, mouse |
| 16:47.24 | Griz | Hey Gang. Which package does xorgconfig and xorgcfg live in?? |
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| 16:47.41 | JoshL | Makes sense now.. was just looking at the way the TCP side of X works and thinking of client/server in that respect rather than the "X way" of looking at things |
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| 16:48.22 | The-Shadow | !tell me kde |
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| 16:48.35 | The-Shadow | !tell kde |
| 16:48.40 | stew | JoshL: it the same that way. the x client connects to the x server by initiating a tcp connection just like any other client would connect to any other server |
| 16:48.44 | The-Shadow | !tell The-Shadow kde |
| 16:48.45 | stew | The-Shadow: "/msg dpkg kde" |
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| 16:49.12 | JoshL | Right - but you will have multiple machines (users) connecting to the one device with the system he is trying to access |
| 16:49.47 | stew | JoshL: yes, the one with the display hardware, the server, which is (sometimes) exposing the server as a listening tcp socket |
| 16:49.59 | JoshL | stew: Yep..we're on the same page now..I just misspoke ;) |
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| 16:52.13 | benjamindees | what is the best postscript viewer in etch? |
| 16:53.03 | SerajewelKS | !best |
| 16:53.03 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:53.04 | Griz | Can anyone here tell me which package xorgconfig and xorgcfg live in?? |
| 16:53.23 | The-Shadow | JoshH: thing works from windows client to KDE/KIO on server/ |
| 16:53.24 | The-Shadow | ? |
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| 16:53.35 | benjamindees | sigh, s/best/most accurate/ |
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| 16:58.25 | |Dede| | Is here anybody experienced with fail2ban? |
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| 16:59.35 | stew | |Dede|: many people, just ask your real question |
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| 17:00.23 | |Dede| | action: sendmail-whois-lines[name=SSH, dest=me@mail.com (...) <- is that my internal unix address? |
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| 17:00.38 | |Dede| | Like if I did "mail user"? |
| 17:00.41 | ferretsrule | How do I get apt-get to reinstall apache2? I messed something up and ran the command to remove it and then reinstalled it, but the error was still there so I deleted /etc/apache2 to see if it would just recreate that directory but it doesn't. |
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| 17:01.19 | robf | how can I kill a proc, that is unkillable (yes I know the silly sound of my question) state D/S/L (unint sleep, locked, etc) kill is ignored, etc... |
| 17:01.24 | stew | ferretsrule: the config files are owned by apache2.2-common ; youd have to reinstall that with confmiss: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 17:01.33 | JoshL | robf: Hvae you tried kill -9 <pid> |
| 17:01.37 | robf | is there anyway to just subjugate a process and have the kernal just destroy it? |
| 17:01.39 | ferretsrule | ok, thanks. |
| 17:01.39 | robf | yes |
| 17:01.39 | stew | robf: wait for the IO it is waiting on to complete |
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| 17:01.45 | robf | it'll never complete ;) |
| 17:01.50 | Griz | Okay, since that initial question got such resounding results, is there a graphical configurator for setting up X11, within Debian? |
| 17:01.52 | stew | robf: it will never be killed then |
| 17:02.12 | stew | Griz: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 17:02.20 | SilverDawn | wouldnt X -configure work too |
| 17:02.22 | robf | here's the case, proc 1 has some forks, 2 / 3 / 4 , 2 & 3 died, both just kinda hanging defunct so proc 1 is just hangin... |
| 17:02.23 | SilverDawn | lol |
| 17:02.33 | robf | stew: thats my question |
| 17:02.40 | robf | stew: so this will require a reboot. |
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| 17:03.07 | robf | stew: just seems so atypical of linux :p to say no... although often a yes answer may be more difficult than not to coax out, never heard simply "no"..... |
| 17:03.08 | |messiah| | I have java --version: SableVM version 1.13 that version of java, I want to know how can I update it to JAVA 1.5 of sun? I have to remove this and replace it? |
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| 17:03.20 | robf | it's a prod, box so rebooting is kinda.... eh not the best thing in the world |
| 17:03.28 | |Dede| | action: sendmail-whois-lines[name=SSH, dest=me@mail.com (...) <- is that my internal unix address? like if I used "mail user" |
| 17:03.31 | richcollins | Why is aptitude trying to install nginx when I aptitude install ruby? |
| 17:03.32 | richcollins | http://pastie.caboo.se/177315 |
| 17:03.35 | stew | robf: why do you care if these processes exist if they are not doing anything? |
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| 17:03.59 | robf | stew: well... the thing is, its chewing ram and pretty quickly. |
| 17:04.05 | robf | stew: bout 1% per 5 min, |
| 17:04.25 | robf | stew: so it's either reboot, or risk a panic which means I'll have to call the DC and get them to deal with it, more downtime etc... |
| 17:04.25 | stew | robf: if its allocating more memory it must not be in the D state |
| 17:05.44 | robf | stew: well ONE of the processes is, |
| 17:05.45 | stew | richcollins: nginx is partially installed and is trying to finish the install, it has nothing to do with ruby |
| 17:05.53 | robf | stew: it's asterisk so god knows what all the thing is doing... heh |
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| 17:06.08 | richcollins | stew: Is there a way to tell aptitude to stop trying to install it? |
| 17:06.20 | robf | stew: but it's in state D, so it says, and it's def alloc' mem... |
| 17:06.39 | hikenboot | how do i tell which windows manager is being used I thought I installed fluxbox but I suspect I might be mistaken |
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| 17:08.24 | richcollins | stew: After I stopped nginx and installed it worked |
| 17:08.37 | stew | richcollins: apttiude remove nginx ; but that might require you actually getting it installed first. you might have to debug why the init script is failing, or at least short circuit it. "bash -x /etc/init.d/nginx start" might tell you why it is failing. you also might try running "/etc/init.d/nginx stop" first |
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| 17:08.42 | stew | oh, heh |
| 17:08.53 | richcollins | stew: I did aptitude upgrade ruby |
| 17:09.01 | richcollins | I didn't understand that it upgraded everything :( |
| 17:09.10 | Griz | stew, Thank You. Just got back to the keyboard. |
| 17:09.16 | richcollins | It was trying to start nginx when it was already running |
| 17:09.25 | richcollins | so I just stopped it and did the install again |
| 17:09.26 | stew | richcollins: "aptitude upgrade" means upgrade everything upgradable. if you only want to upgrade ruby, you want "aptitude install ruby" |
| 17:09.43 | sidgyck | ppl anybody know how I can build local mirror on Debian? |
| 17:09.48 | richcollins | hopefully all the features that I am using on everything I upgraded are forward compatible |
| 17:09.50 | stew | sidgyck: /msg dpkg repository |
| 17:10.01 | richcollins | man why is everything so out of date :( |
| 17:10.08 | richcollins | ruby 1.8.5 is OLD |
| 17:10.18 | stew | sidgyck: wait, do you mean a local mirror of all debian packages? or a few local packages? |
| 17:10.27 | |messiah| | I have java --version: SableVM version 1.13 that version of java, I want to know how can I update it to JAVA 1.5 of sun? I have to remove this and replace it? |
| 17:10.37 | richcollins | This is the problem with package managers, you always end up leaving them anyway |
| 17:10.54 | sidgyck | stew: all debian packages. |
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| 17:12.14 | stew | sidgyck: then look at the apt-mirror package |
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| 17:12.34 | richcollins | Is there a best practice for installing from source for some binaries but staying within apt for others? |
| 17:12.42 | sidgyck | stew: hold on. |
| 17:12.50 | robf | stew: so that's that, reboot is final I suppose... just thought perhaps there was some special kernel just dump this process off the bridge command ;p |
| 17:12.57 | stew | richcollins: 1.8.5 was not old when the current version of debian was frozen (in 2006) |
| 17:13.10 | stew | robf: i dont' know of any way |
| 17:13.13 | benjamindees | richcollins, put locally-build things in /usr/local |
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| 17:13.49 | stew | richcollins: the best practice is to use backports: /msg dpkg backport |
| 17:14.04 | richcollins | stew: "frozen" is the problem. We are writing software not constructing a high rise |
| 17:14.08 | richcollins | nothing should ever be frozen |
| 17:14.21 | richcollins | stew: ok thanks |
| 17:14.34 | sepisultrum | Hi there, I'd like to install ruby-1.8._6_ on a debian stable, what's the best method to do this? |
| 17:14.41 | richcollins | lol |
| 17:14.48 | stew | |messiah|: you don't have to remove sable, you can have multiple implementations of java installed and switch between them with "update-alternatives --config java" and "update-alternatives --config javac" |
| 17:14.50 | benjamindees | richcollins, you say that as though you presume it will never be done :p |
| 17:15.19 | richcollins | benjamindees: exactly |
| 17:15.39 | stew | richcollins: if you are writing software to target debian servers, you should be targetting the ruby in debian. if you are writing software to target the next release of debian, you should be developing on debian 'testing' |
| 17:15.45 | |messiah| | ohh ok stew and from there I can choose what version I want to run? |
| 17:16.10 | stew | |messiah|: 'update-alternatives --config java' |
| 17:16.23 | |messiah| | ok thanks! |
| 17:16.34 | stew | |messiah|: if you need to install the sun version of java, it is available from debian in 'non-free': /msg dpkg non-free |
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| 17:17.36 | |messiah| | yes stew I am downloading that version |
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| 17:17.41 | |messiah| | the sun version |
| 17:17.48 | |messiah| | but I had installed other version |
| 17:17.57 | |messiah| | I will try to remove it the old version |
| 17:18.06 | richcollins | stew: I want to target my users, not an operating system. I want to use whatever features are needed to deliver them what they want. |
| 17:18.22 | richcollins | anyway I will just leave the package manager and hope for the best (as usual) |
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| 17:18.56 | sidgyck | stew: I need to compare 2 or more package sources and fetch from newer source. (sorry for bad english) |
| 17:18.57 | richcollins | at any rate |
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| 17:19.06 | richcollins | thanks for the advice about apt |
| 17:19.15 | benjamindees | richcollins, learn to build debian packages or use whatever other package manager you'd like. |
| 17:19.16 | stew | sidgyck: apt does this automatically |
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| 17:20.24 | richcollins | benjamindees: I would like a package manager that tracks the latest stable releases of all of the dependencies and targets |
| 17:20.30 | richcollins | and always uses them by default |
| 17:20.40 | richcollins | I will work out any incompatibilities |
| 17:20.40 | stew | richcollins: then debian is not the distro for you |
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| 17:20.55 | sidgyck | stew: thanks a lot. |
| 17:20.57 | richcollins | the power of the package manager (IMO) is tracking of dependencies |
| 17:21.07 | richcollins | stew: Is there a distro you would recommend for that approach? |
| 17:21.11 | stew | richcollins: no |
| 17:21.14 | richcollins | heh |
| 17:21.36 | benjamindees | does slackware have a package manager? |
| 17:21.41 | richcollins | Maybe I should rephrase, is there a distro in existence that takes that approach? |
| 17:21.43 | stew | richcollins: one might exist. i have no idea. i only pay attention to debian. perhaps ask ##linux |
| 17:21.53 | richcollins | ok |
| 17:21.59 | delcoyote | hi |
| 17:22.05 | richcollins | too late for me this time anyway |
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| 17:22.27 | benjamindees | richcollins, slackware, perhaps gentoo; but this is not a recommendation |
| 17:22.48 | richcollins | benjamindees: I didn't say I want to compile from source every time |
| 17:23.04 | benjamindees | richcollins, I didn't say you had to |
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| 17:24.47 | benjamindees | richcollins, except, you'll find that you *will* have to do a lot of compiling in order to follow your ideal package upgrade philosophy ;) |
| 17:25.11 | richcollins | benjamindees: Because there won't be x86 binary releases? |
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| 17:25.17 | richcollins | or I will have to change compilation flags |
| 17:25.32 | benjamindees | richcollins, both of those distros have binary packages; but this is offtopic... |
| 17:25.38 | richcollins | k |
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| 17:30.16 | themill | richcollins: just remember that "stable" also relates to integration of different packages and libraries not just which version marked as "stable" by upstream. Sometimes "stable" from upstream isn't that stable either (see wxwidgets or kde4 for examples). The debian sid/testing/stable mechanism also protects you from that. |
| 17:30.27 | |Dede| | is there a way to send broadcast messages? (as root) |
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| 17:31.08 | stew | |Dede|: echo "message" | wall |
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| 17:31.36 | |Dede| | thanks |
| 17:31.37 | RoyalKnight | is there any usage-difference between webdav and samba on windows? so can webdav-shares be used as a "normal" harddrive, like samba-shares? |
| 17:31.40 | stew | |Dede|: if you are trying to notify everyone of a login failure, you can just put "auth.* *" into /etc/syslog.conf and /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
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| 17:33.25 | |Dede| | stew: Is there a way to test fail2ban? (the email notification etc.) |
| 17:33.42 | rahul | fail logging in repeatedly |
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| 17:34.07 | |Dede| | so it bans me? :p |
| 17:34.11 | rahul | exactly |
| 17:34.20 | |Dede| | im more thinking of something built-in |
| 17:34.27 | |Dede| | but if that isnt available... |
| 17:34.27 | stew | |Dede|: you can test the regex with fail2ban-regex, i don't know a way to test the actions |
| 17:34.55 | chris_hat_irc | hello, I need a light application server. Should not take more than 5mb in sleep mode. Is there a better option than tomcat? |
| 17:34.58 | themill | /me normally tests fail2ban by failing from in via another host |
| 17:34.58 | rahul | use someone else's machine |
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| 17:35.09 | themill | fails |
| 17:35.11 | themill | *sigh* |
| 17:35.12 | rahul | one that doesn't need access to yours |
| 17:35.14 | rahul | heh |
| 17:35.16 | rahul | themill: nice. |
| 17:35.31 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.14 | themill | |Dede|: if you fail from another host you can see if the rule is in place using iptables -L and then delete it straight away if it worked, thus restoring access. |
| 17:36.38 | |Dede| | how can I use another host |
| 17:36.43 | stew | chris_hat_irc: jetty would be lighter than tomcat |
| 17:36.55 | rahul | |Dede|: uh, log into it |
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| 17:37.02 | rahul | erm login to it |
| 17:37.07 | stew | although, hmm, jetty isn't in debian |
| 17:37.15 | PrinceAMD | hi guys can someone tell me where i can find the source code for /bin/su ? |
| 17:37.30 | |Dede| | doesnt it ban my IP |
| 17:37.40 | stew | PrinceAMD: apt-get source login |
| 17:37.50 | |Dede| | themill: doesnt it ban my IP |
| 17:37.50 | chris_hat_irc | stew: But there isn't a stable package for jetty? |
| 17:37.54 | themill | |Dede|: you could just post here "my IP address is this and my root password is that" and see if it works.... |
| 17:38.08 | stew | chris_hat_irc: aparantly not |
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| 17:38.26 | stew | chris_hat_irc: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:39.29 | |Dede| | can I PM you and let you try logging in (with wrong Pw, of course) |
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| 17:40.58 | rahul | Login: root |
| 17:41.01 | rahul | Password: that |
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| 17:48.10 | meglaw | how do i start programs in my currently logged in X sesson? like 'vlc -f http cool-move.avi' |
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| 17:48.59 | JoshL | meglaw: You can set the DISPLAY variable to dictate which X session clients connect to. |
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| 17:49.17 | |Dede| | themill: Can I pm you? so you can try to do some fail ssh connects? |
| 17:49.24 | abrotman | |Dede|: try it yourself ? |
| 17:49.34 | vekexasia | hi people.. could someone helps me with snmpd ? I can't list all the interfaces available on the server... Could someone help me please? |
| 17:49.50 | |Dede| | abrotman: I cannot ban myself |
| 17:49.58 | abrotman | |Dede|: sure you can |
| 17:50.08 | |Dede| | abrotman: How would I unban? |
| 17:50.31 | vekexasia | Someone could help me? I'm going to be crazy |
| 17:51.12 | PrinceAMD | stew, i did apt-get source login and it downloaded a tar.gz file where is this file located |
| 17:51.56 | stew | PrinceAMD: in the directory where you ran the command. it have also unpacked and patched the source into a subdirectory of the current directory |
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| 17:52.25 | PrinceAMD | ahh thanks stew |
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| 17:53.39 | giantmidget | to get a basic xserver, do i need everything pulled in by the xorg metapackage? |
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| 17:54.31 | |Dede| | How can you unban an IP/host that Fail2Ban has banned? |
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| 17:54.43 | drcodew343 | I have qustion , I want to backup linux into image and then able to mount it so I will be able to copy files, any idea? |
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| 17:55.02 | stew | giantmidget: no, you don't need, for instance, every video driver |
| 17:55.17 | Flinx | Hi! Can somebody help me with upgrading xserver-xorg* packages from sid. I created file /etc/apt/preferences, but i'm not sure if i did all properly... Here is my preferences file http://pastebin.com/m3e707448 |
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| 17:55.36 | stew | Flinx: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:56.03 | Flinx | etch 4 |
| 17:56.11 | giantmidget | stew: thank. can you point me to some info on how to get just the packages i need? |
| 17:56.14 | Flinx | stew: I use etch 4 |
| 17:56.17 | stew | Flinx: you should not mix stable and unstable. |
| 17:56.36 | stew | Flinx: (or stable and testing). "/msg dpkb backports" however, i don't know that a backport of xorg is available |
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| 17:57.15 | stew | Flinx: err "/msg dpkg backports" |
| 17:57.45 | Flinx | Flinx: The problem is Xorg hangs. People reccomends to use Xorg from sid. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=456428 |
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| 17:58.38 | giantmidget | let me rephrase my question: if i get xserver-xorg plus the driver package for my card, would that suffice? |
| 17:59.03 | stew | giantmidget: "aptitude isntall xserver-xorg xbase-clients xfonts-base xserver-xorg-video-$driver" where $driver is the video driver you wish to use. if you wish to use a keybaord, add "xserver-xorg-input-kbd" if you wish to use a mouse, add "xserver-xorg-input-mouse" |
| 18:00.14 | stew | Flinx: that bug is dealing with a bug that is stated to not exist in etch, so it doesn't apply to you |
| 18:00.22 | stew | Flinx: which driver are you using? |
| 18:00.56 | Flinx | stew: nvidia-glx-legacy |
| 18:01.07 | giantmidget | stew: thank you very much |
| 18:01.12 | stew | Flinx: that is very likely to be the problem. does it crash with 'nv"? |
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| 18:02.14 | Flinx | stew: We never tested it with nv. Should i try? |
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| 18:02.43 | Flinx | stew: So, we should just change nvidia to nv in xorg.conf? |
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| 18:03.40 | stew | Flinx: yes, or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
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| 18:08.16 | harmattan | Hi people. Anybody else having problems with iceweasel in testing? |
| 18:08.44 | harmattan | The whole machine freezes when using it. |
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| 18:09.00 | giantmidget | dumb question again... any ideas how i could detect what video card i have? (this is a friend's box :D ) any ideas? |
| 18:09.11 | benjamindees | giantmidget, lspci |
| 18:09.11 | harmattan | Only reset button works :-( |
| 18:09.47 | benjamindees | harmattan, are you using a flash plugin? |
| 18:09.55 | event_horizon | giantmidget: open the box and google the code printed on the graphics chip? |
| 18:09.58 | giantmidget | benjamindees: thanks. i'm off to man lspci, then |
| 18:10.14 | harmattan | benjamindees: I am afraid so |
| 18:10.23 | benjamindees | giantmidget, just run 'lspci' and look for something that looks like a video chipset |
| 18:10.30 | giantmidget | event_horizon: it has onboard graphics :) |
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| 18:10.47 | fale | hi |
| 18:10.54 | giantmidget | benjamindees: ok, i'll do just that then. thanks again :) |
| 18:11.19 | fale | I know that there is a way to create a configuration file to be called in the beginning of the installation. where I can find more info about it? |
| 18:11.27 | Flinx | stew: Trying now to use nv driver, but how to upgrade single package with it's dependencies from sid? |
| 18:11.59 | Flinx | stew: is this preferences file ok? http://pastebin.com/m3e707448 |
| 18:12.10 | stew | Flinx: you should not install packages from sid onto stable |
| 18:12.34 | stew | Flinx: no that preferences file is not ok for stable |
| 18:12.58 | benjamindees | Flinx, x11 drivers are generally not interchangeable between versions |
| 18:13.23 | stew | Flinx: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 18:13.29 | stew | Flinx: no, nevermind that |
| 18:13.34 | stew | fale: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 18:13.52 | fale | stew: thx |
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| 18:15.40 | Flinx | stew, benjamindees : thanks |
| 18:15.55 | Ssam` | i need a grpahical user and group management tools |
| 18:16.07 | stew | Ssam`: why do they need to be graphical? |
| 18:16.19 | Ssam` | its easier? |
| 18:16.27 | Ssam` | like the ones on ubuntu |
| 18:16.38 | Ssam` | or you could teach me how to enable shutdown and reboot while user |
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| 18:18.17 | giantmidget | "enable shutdown" by editing the sudoers file? or what do you mean? |
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| 18:19.21 | dexxx | debian has drivers for usb intenet modems? |
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| 18:20.08 | stew | Ssam`: installing sudo and adding the users to sudoers would be the typically way to do this afaik |
| 18:20.14 | abrotman | dexxx: i'm sure some of them |
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| 18:21.20 | ricosecada | What group does a user need to belong to in order to be able to use a USB scanner? At the current moment one has to become root to access the scanner. |
| 18:21.47 | stew | ricosecada: typically the scanner group |
| 18:22.07 | stew | ricosecada: which you should be able to verify by loooking at what group owns the entry in /dev/ |
| 18:22.55 | ricosecada | stew, thank you very much! |
| 18:23.04 | dexxx | abrotman the thing is when i first installed it, the installation manager couldnt connect to the internet, and i was connected but with a usb modem, so it didnt recognized it, does that mean that is not suppoprted, or maybe i just have to install it connected trough ethernet and then see if i can configure the usb modem |
| 18:23.05 | Ssam` | but i dont want to issue users root passwods |
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| 18:23.28 | stew | Ssam`: certainly not, you should just give them access via sudo |
| 18:23.36 | Ssam` | secondly i cant seem to install .deb softwares |
| 18:23.42 | stew | Ssam`: why not? |
| 18:23.46 | Ssam` | i dont understand |
| 18:23.50 | Ssam` | dont know |
| 18:23.56 | Ssam` | depenency issues |
| 18:23.59 | stew | Ssam`: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:24.03 | abrotman | dexxx: means it's not supported in the default kernel .. do you know which driver makes the modem work ? |
| 18:24.04 | Ssam` | how old is yahoo messenger for unix? |
| 18:24.15 | abrotman | use gaim/pidgin |
| 18:24.22 | Ssam` | how do i install sudo |
| 18:24.29 | stew | Ssam`: aptitude install sudo |
| 18:24.46 | Ssam` | whats that tool in ubuntu? |
| 18:24.52 | Ssam` | its very easy to manure |
| 18:24.57 | stew | Ssam`: ask #ubuntu |
| 18:25.02 | Ssam` | good idea |
| 18:25.21 | dexxx | ehm, it works in openbsd, ubuntu and damn small linux, but i dont know wich kernels those have |
| 18:25.24 | Ssam` | and i dont noe why i cant install .deb files |
| 18:25.34 | Ssam` | it never satisfies the dependency issues |
| 18:26.07 | _haxi_ | damn. |
| 18:26.25 | _haxi_ | firefox, sometimes segfault when I open a simple link |
| 18:26.41 | Ssam` | not fire fox...ice weasel |
| 18:26.42 | _haxi_ | by clickin' with left button |
| 18:26.50 | Ssam` | lol for some odd reason its ice weasel now |
| 18:26.55 | _haxi_ | yes |
| 18:27.00 | _haxi_ | but it's the same, you know ;) |
| 18:27.10 | WormFood | is there software already written that will find duplicate files and make hard links to the dupes (after deleting them of course)....sorta like "fdupes", but instead of just deleting the duplicates, hard link them too? I have over 10,000 duplicate files that need to be hard linked (with different names), so doing it by hand is out of the question. |
| 18:27.50 | dexxx | abrotman: it worked in openbsd, ubuntu and damn small linux, but i dont know wich kernels were those |
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| 18:28.34 | _haxi_ | well, if I open these links with leftbutton(same window), iceweasel segfault. But If I open them in a new window, or even in a new tab, no segfault, any idea? |
| 18:28.43 | Ssam` | so Stew i want users to have a shutdown option when they click the quit button |
| 18:28.53 | Ssam` | but shut down is limited is root for some reason |
| 18:29.07 | stew | Ssam`: if you want help with your problem installing .deb files, show us the command you are running and the errors you get |
| 18:29.15 | stew | Ssam`: i don't know what button you are talking about |
| 18:29.38 | Ssam` | you know in the gui ....u click menu and then quit |
| 18:29.44 | stew | Ssam`: no, i don't know |
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| 18:30.33 | Ssam` | you dont have a quit button in the menu? |
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| 18:30.39 | stew | Ssam`: i don't have a menu |
| 18:30.40 | Ssam` | i am using Xfce |
| 18:30.44 | stew | i am not |
| 18:30.48 | Ssam` | oooo |
| 18:30.54 | Ssam` | k then |
| 18:31.34 | Ssam` | hold on laddie |
| 18:31.41 | |Dede| | How can you unban an IP/host that Fail2Ban has banned? |
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| 18:33.45 | WormFood | I guess I'll end up writing my own software to deal with linking these files |
| 18:33.55 | stew | |Dede|: "iptables -F fail2ban-ssh ; iptables -A fail2ban-ssh -j RETURN" would unban everybody that was banned because of ssh failures |
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| 18:34.28 | abrotman | dexxx: you'd at least have to know the driver .. try google .. find the driver .. IIRC most are speedtouch |
| 18:35.25 | Flinx | stew: Is there a way to replace Xorg with XFree86? |
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| 18:35.53 | abrotman | Flinx: you really don't want to .. XF86 is basically dead |
| 18:35.53 | stew | Flinx: not an easy one. why would you want to? |
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| 18:36.41 | dexxx | abrotman im using openbsd atm, here its called cdce0, dont know if its the same driver everywhere, or atleast if its called the same |
| 18:36.51 | giantmidget | Ssam`: google for xfce sudoers shutdown. it pops up a result from dilettante.wordpress.com, that looks like it has the answer. i'd tell you the exact address but i don't have an xserver right now... |
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| 18:37.12 | Flinx | stew: Because i configuring multiseat based on linux-vserver ( http://linux-vserver.org ). Xorg hangs randomly. strace returns gettimeofday() calls in loop. |
| 18:37.28 | hjb | Hi. I have some trouble to remove "mbmon" from my machine: http://paste.debian.net/339 |
| 18:37.32 | Ssam` | ahh... giantmidget thanks man |
| 18:37.48 | Flinx | stew: When Xorg hangs is eating 100% CPU |
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| 18:37.56 | hjb | I've changed the motherboeard and now mbmon doesn't work anymore |
| 18:38.00 | Ssam` | also why isnt there a flash for debian? |
| 18:38.03 | hjb | but removing doesn't either :-) |
| 18:38.08 | Ssam` | therz one for rpms |
| 18:38.08 | geek00 | Are networking questions allowed here? |
| 18:38.10 | Ssam` | but not debs |
| 18:38.10 | stew | Flinx: if its calling gettimeofday repeatedly, you are probably looking at the wrong pid. which driver are you using? |
| 18:38.16 | Flinx | stew: keyboard not working, mouse is working, but windows are not responding |
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| 18:38.22 | giantmidget | Ssam`: what for? |
| 18:38.27 | Ssam` | Youtube |
| 18:38.32 | Ssam` | i been trying to play that |
| 18:38.35 | stew | geek00: if they are debian related |
| 18:38.45 | suppaman | this is kinda funny |
| 18:38.46 | Flinx | stew: i use "strace -p `pidof X`" |
| 18:38.53 | abrotman | dexxx: i highly doubt the driver in obsd is the same as linux .. maybe try an `lsusb` to get the usbID |
| 18:38.54 | suppaman | I installed etch from the same cd twice in a row |
| 18:38.56 | stew | Ssam`: there is gnash. flash from adobe isn't in debian becuase it is non-free |
| 18:39.12 | suppaman | first time it installed grub (eth unplugged), second time it installed lilo (eth plugged) |
| 18:39.13 | Ssam` | ill take it |
| 18:39.15 | stew | Flinx: you probably want at least -f as well |
| 18:39.19 | Ssam` | aptitude install gnash? |
| 18:39.23 | ApEtc | clear |
| 18:39.27 | stew | Ssam`: yes |
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| 18:40.14 | stew | Ssam`: you'd have to get it from backports.org if you are on etch, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 18:40.22 | Ssam` | thanks...sorry though i started linux not too long ago read the manual but obviously its not all the answers |
| 18:40.36 | hjb | Noone? I've tried using "-f" parameter with aptitude, but even that didn't work :-/ |
| 18:40.39 | The-Shadow | anyone here has setup a Free NX? |
| 18:40.59 | lunk | i did, but years ago shadow, and on a gentoo box |
| 18:41.00 | lunk | :/ |
| 18:41.31 | The-Shadow | the readme wants me to change ssh port, but i dont want to SSH with it >.> |
| 18:41.44 | stew | hjb: you either need to debug the init script or short circuit it (by doing something like putting 'exit 0' so that it will exit with success no matter what) |
| 18:42.11 | Ssam` | thanks |
| 18:42.17 | stew | hjb: what version of mbmon is this? |
| 18:42.19 | Ssam` | i found the graphical deb installer its called Gdebi |
| 18:42.23 | Ssam` | gdebi* |
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| 18:43.36 | dexxx | abrotman "cdce0 at uhub1" dont know much about linux, but i guess the probabilities are that uhub1 is the same there |
| 18:43.45 | Ssam` | how old is yahoo messenger for linux? |
| 18:43.51 | hjb | stew Version: 2.05-5 |
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| 18:44.24 | Ssam` | can it be installed on 4.0? |
| 18:44.43 | hjb | stew I'll short-circuit it. No time to debug it right now :-(# |
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| 18:46.13 | hjb | stew Short-circuiting it worked well. Is this truly the only way to handle those cases? |
| 18:46.54 | hjb | stew I guessed a "force" parameter to aptitude would ignore that |
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| 18:47.37 | stew | hjb: which force parameter? |
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| 18:48.01 | valdyn | hjb: short-circuiting this is plain evil, fortunetely it still "works ok" usually |
| 18:48.02 | hjb | stew -f Aggressively try to fix broken packages. |
| 18:48.17 | stew | hjb: that isn't force, that is fix |
| 18:48.28 | Flinx | stew: Driver... still nvidia-glx-legacy. Just tried to use nv, but X server can't start. |
| 18:48.36 | stew | hjb: it is not the only way. you can also fix the broken init script |
| 18:48.38 | hjb | stew ohh, ok. What's "force" ,then? |
| 18:48.44 | stew | Flinx: why can't the x server start? |
| 18:48.49 | hjb | stew right :-) |
| 18:49.07 | hjb | stew but that need a) knowledge and b) time |
| 18:49.08 | stew | hjb: there isn't one. there are some dpkg --force options, but those should not be used except in extreme cases, and there isn't one that would have helped you here |
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| 18:49.31 | Flinx | stew: (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 18:49.47 | giantmidget | ive heard that xserver doesnt need an xorg.conf file in order to work. is that true? |
| 18:49.54 | Flinx | stew: i have no nv driver installed? How to install it? |
| 18:50.01 | hjb | stew Do you think i should submit a bug report for this? |
| 18:50.11 | hjb | stew against mbmon? |
| 18:50.30 | valdyn | Flinx: "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-nv | tail -1" |
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| 18:50.55 | stew | hjb: if one doesn't already exist, you probably should, though you might test to see if it was broken with the current version |
| 18:50.56 | abrotman | giantmidget: in most cases, it will probe and get the correct values |
| 18:50.57 | Flinx | ii xserver-xorg-video-nv 1.2.0-3 X.Org X server -- NV display driver |
| 18:51.03 | Flinx | stew: ii xserver-xorg-video-nv 1.2.0-3 X.Org X server -- NV display driver |
| 18:51.11 | dustybin | will kde4.x be in the release after lenny? |
| 18:51.14 | stew | Flinx: then you have the nm driver isntalled |
| 18:51.19 | hjb | stew Ok, i'll do so. |
| 18:51.31 | stew | Flinx: have you tried running "dpkg-reconigure xserver-xorg" ? |
| 18:51.35 | valdyn | Flinx: your error message talked about NVIDIA, not nv |
| 18:51.39 | hjb | put this thingy on it's todo-list :-D |
| 18:51.44 | stew | dustybin: there is no way of knowing |
| 18:51.49 | Flinx | stew: Ok, will try |
| 18:51.49 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 18:51.53 | valdyn | Flinx: and nv doesnt have accelerated gl(x) either way |
| 18:52.07 | stew | Flinx: kde8.x could be in the version after lenny |
| 18:52.19 | dustybin | jeeze |
| 18:52.39 | dustybin | wonders what toy story character the release after lenny will be called.. |
| 18:52.46 | valdyn | !lenny+1 |
| 18:52.50 | valdyn | mm |
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| 18:52.53 | dustybin | :-O |
| 18:53.14 | abrotman | dustybin: hasn't been decided yet |
| 18:53.24 | stew | rc buggy! |
| 18:53.49 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:54.00 | Flinx | stew: Yes, i know. But we just testing where is problem: drivers or something else. Finally i should use drivers with gl(x) support |
| 18:54.06 | abrotman | stew: aren't you excited? Red Sox home opener! |
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| 18:54.23 | Ssam` | !debian |
| 18:54.23 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 18:54.24 | stew | abrotman: yes? |
| 18:54.32 | abrotman | stew: try to contain your excitment :) |
| 18:55.05 | stew | Flinx: well if you need glx, then you need to use nvidia. if the bug is in the nvidia driver, you are likely going to be out of luck |
| 18:55.41 | The-Shadow | how to make a public key in my ~/.ssh/ folder? |
| 18:55.54 | stew | The-Shadow: man ssh-keygen |
| 18:56.04 | Flinx | stew: I spent 8 months with trying to mae it stable. But still have no success. :( |
| 18:56.25 | The-Shadow | stew: i just give /home/user/ as folder? |
| 18:56.31 | The-Shadow | or /home/user/.ssh? |
| 18:56.32 | valdyn | !folder |
| 18:56.32 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 18:56.36 | valdyn | wtf |
| 18:56.37 | stew | The-Shadow: no |
| 18:57.01 | dustybin | what does unstable mean? does it mean it crashes? or does it mean something is missing depedencies? |
| 18:57.06 | dustybin | breaking something? |
| 18:57.11 | stew | dustybin: it means changing constantly |
| 18:57.20 | dustybin | ok |
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| 18:57.25 | The-Shadow | stew: change 'Enter file in which to save the key (/root/.ssh/id_rsa):' with '/home/user/.ssh/id_rsa' ? |
| 18:57.27 | stew | dustybin: opposite of stable meaning not moving |
| 18:57.36 | dustybin | i see |
| 18:57.38 | valdyn | dustybin: i.e. constantly new bugs and fixes as opposed to same bugs and no fixes in stable |
| 18:57.46 | dustybin | unstable = stuff has changed |
| 18:57.54 | stew | The-Shadow: you should run it as "user" not root if you are trying to generate a key for user |
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| 18:58.09 | The-Shadow | ah k, i'll try that thx |
| 18:58.19 | valdyn | ops |
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| 18:58.37 | dustybin | are there a core team of debian coders what sort out the bugs? |
| 18:58.42 | valdyn | dustybin: maybe he didnt notice you were talking to him either |
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| 18:59.15 | stew | dustybin: no, lots and lots of people fix bugs. you can help too |
| 18:59.19 | valdyn | dustybin: theres no team in that sense, some developers just spend more time on it than others, more or less randomly |
| 18:59.23 | dustybin | :-O |
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| 19:00.01 | dustybin | imagine everyone decided, i cant be bothered to fix anymore bugs, what would happen? |
| 19:00.14 | valdyn | dustybin: an nmu |
| 19:00.17 | abrotman | dustybin: it would be called Windows |
| 19:00.23 | dustybin | :-O |
| 19:00.40 | stew | dustybin: if everybody stopped fixing bugs, sarge would be the last debian release |
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| 19:00.47 | stew | err etch |
| 19:00.50 | valdyn | dustybin: packages only dont get fixed if no debian dev cares about the package, not if only the mainly responsible dev quits |
| 19:01.14 | stew | non-developers can certainly fix bugs |
| 19:01.40 | dustybin | does debian have a big svn server for fixing bugs? |
| 19:01.49 | valdyn | they just need a dev to upload it, or somesuch, i dont know the details |
| 19:02.10 | valdyn | dustybin: no |
| 19:02.11 | The-Shadow | stew: so i ahve to change the RSA private key in the client to whats in id_rsa? |
| 19:02.18 | wij32 | how do you become a debian devloper? |
| 19:02.20 | meglaw | why can nobody awnser me. :( |
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| 19:02.36 | valdyn | !tell meglaw -about ask |
| 19:03.00 | The-Shadow | lol meglaw get used to it :P sometimes takes half a day befor someone might answer your question :P xD |
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| 19:03.15 | kantlivelon1 | anyone know why when i start X my mouse event disappears? |
| 19:03.45 | dustybin | kantlivelon1: the cat got it? |
| 19:03.50 | stew | dustybin: some packages are kept in svn, some in git some in bzr some are not in VCs, if they have a publicly available source code repository, it should be shown in a header in the control file |
| 19:03.53 | kantlivelon1 | dustybin: ... |
| 19:04.06 | stew | The-Shadow: what? where? |
| 19:04.23 | dustybin | stew: aye ok |
| 19:04.38 | dustybin | i think kernel is git |
| 19:04.44 | The-Shadow | stew: the rsa key generated by ssh-keygen, i have to put that ID in the client what i connect with (this case Free NX) |
| 19:04.46 | stew | meglaw: somebody did answer you |
| 19:04.47 | The-Shadow | ? |
| 19:05.08 | stew | The-Shadow: i dont' know anything about freenx |
| 19:05.21 | dustybin | how does debian know about new tools/software entering the GPL world? |
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| 19:05.42 | The-Shadow | stew: its not that, its the SSH RSA key that i'm having probs with now, heh |
| 19:05.54 | stew | dustybin: somebody files an RFP or an ITP, /msg dpkg rfp ; /msg dpkg itp ; /msg dpkg wnpp |
| 19:06.01 | dustybin | ok |
| 19:06.05 | valdyn | dustybin: you can file a bug report reporting just that, the existance of a new package and your wish to package it |
| 19:06.13 | dustybin | ok |
| 19:06.22 | valdyn | dustybin: or that you wish that someone does it |
| 19:06.24 | valdyn | !itp |
| 19:06.24 | dpkg | from memory, itp is Intent To Package |
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| 19:07.28 | valdyn | dustybin: debian has like no central control instance, its just all controlled by "law", the policy, which gives some nice and some annoying artifacts |
| 19:07.51 | stew | !itp is also a bug which is filed against the <wnpp> pseudo-package which indicates that someone is working on packaging a piece of software for debian. This is done to avoid the duplication of work. |
| 19:07.51 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 19:10.41 | dustybin | you can download sourcode for all the debian packages? does that mean, instead of downloading the binary, you could download and compile the source code in a debian offical way but add extra compile options like gentoo? |
| 19:10.46 | |Dede| | stew: Is there a way to notify more than 1 user via mail (fail2ban) when it bans a user |
| 19:10.58 | valdyn | dustybin: yea |
| 19:10.59 | stew | dustybin: yes, /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 19:11.06 | dustybin | aye excellent |
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| 19:11.41 | valdyn | dustybin: its only a theoretical possibility, it doesnt practically work in a convenient way, except for compiling few specific package(s) |
| 19:11.54 | dustybin | ok |
| 19:11.56 | stew | |Dede|: i don't know. you could always mail to an alias configured in /etc/aliases to send to more than one address (man 5 aliases) |
| 19:12.19 | ledet | dustybin: also you need to consider "why?" |
| 19:12.57 | stiv2k | can anyone describe how exactly the logical and bitwise shift operators work in C |
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| 19:13.27 | valdyn | stiv2k: OT? |
| 19:13.33 | stiv2k | valdyn: slightly |
| 19:13.39 | dustybin | ledet: mythtv is a fine example, there are lots and lots of options at compile time |
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| 19:14.03 | dustybin | it would be unpractical to make a binary of all the different kind of options |
| 19:14.04 | valdyn | stiv2k: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_shift |
| 19:14.20 | stiv2k | valdyn: I wonder why i didnt just look that up myself |
| 19:14.51 | ledet | dustybin: I'm not telling you not to do it... just telling you to consider why you want to do it. As long as you think you have a very good reason for doing it, then you've justified putting extra time and effort into it to yourself :) |
| 19:15.08 | abrotman | stiv2k: why bother when you can use #debian to do your research for you :) |
| 19:15.14 | stiv2k | abrotman: rofl |
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| 19:15.48 | ledet | dustybin: and yes, there are many good reasons for compiling your own software... some of them are because of silly things (out of your control) mostly though |
| 19:16.04 | |Dede| | stew; How would I add that? two mail addresses |
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| 19:16.24 | stew | |Dede|: did you see my last response to you? |
| 19:16.39 | |Dede| | yes, i mean how would I add that to aliases |
| 19:16.40 | dustybin | ledet: binaries give you roughly what most people want, but sometimes you might been extra options |
| 19:17.30 | stiv2k | valdyn: oddly enough, that page says C only has logical shift >>, however my professor was saying we can use the 'bitwise' shift operator '>' |
| 19:17.31 | stew | |Dede|: with an editor |
| 19:17.32 | ledet | dustybin: if the software has a decent architecture, these options should be available at runtime... |
| 19:17.38 | dustybin | ok |
| 19:17.38 | ledet | dustybin: for most options anyway |
| 19:17.49 | stew | |Dede|: and, of course, using newaliases |
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| 19:17.53 | dustybin | maybe gentoo is for ricers after all :P |
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| 19:18.34 | hjb | Hi. How do i prevent apache2 from starting at boot time? |
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| 19:18.57 | hjb | I've tried 'update-rc.d apache2 stop 20 2 3 4 5 .' (from update-rc.d manpage) |
| 19:18.59 | |Dede| | stew: How can I add two addresses now only one, because I don't know how to do that |
| 19:19.02 | dustybin | another fine example is free type, debian etch by default doesnt have the sub pixel hinting options turned on in the binary |
| 19:19.21 | valdyn | stiv2k: > isnt a shift in C |
| 19:19.22 | hjb | But that didn't work out the way i've expected: 'System startup links for /etc/init.d/apache2 already exist.' |
| 19:19.28 | valdyn | stiv2k: im not sure what your prof means |
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| 19:19.43 | stiv2k | valdyn: i'll have to ask about it |
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| 19:19.51 | stiv2k | it was actually my TA, not the prof |
| 19:20.07 | hjb | Problem is that i've setted up apache2 + ssl and my server certificate is passphrase-protected |
| 19:20.10 | stew | |Dede|: did you look at the manpage? |
| 19:20.24 | hjb | So, boot hangs waiting for me to enter the passphrase :-) |
| 19:20.24 | |Dede| | man aliases? |
| 19:20.26 | valdyn | stiv2k: "(unsigned int) x <<= 1" will always be bitwise and arithmetic at the same time. |
| 19:20.28 | stew | hjb: update-rc.d -f apache2 remove |
| 19:20.35 | stew | |Dede|: yes |
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| 19:20.47 | feld | does debian not have/use agetty? |
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| 19:20.55 | SPF | my debian doesnt remember my sound settings. I tried alsamixer and kmix |
| 19:20.57 | stiv2k | valdyn: say you are dealing with numbers in two's complement form |
| 19:21.03 | hjb | stew I understand that this command is only to use after package has been removed? |
| 19:21.11 | stiv2k | valdyn: and you need to shift with respect to the sign bit |
| 19:21.16 | |Dede| | stew: No manual entry for aliases |
| 19:21.21 | hjb | stew i.e. only in the packages post-removal script |
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| 19:21.41 | stew | hjb: what makes you think that? |
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| 19:21.50 | hjb | stew the man-page |
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| 19:22.17 | hjb | stew "The script must have been deleted already. If the script is still present |
| 19:22.17 | hjb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.02 | stew | hjb: which is why i specified -f |
| 19:23.10 | stew | |Dede|: which MTA do you use? |
| 19:23.11 | hjb | stew But, reading about '-f' it makes sense |
| 19:23.28 | stew | hjb: or look at "Example of disabling a service" |
| 19:23.34 | hjb | stew Right :-) Manpage is a little bit misleading about this, i guess. |
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| 19:23.41 | j-b | hello. |
| 19:23.53 | |Dede| | stew: The build-in I think (When you type "mail") |
| 19:24.00 | j-b | How do I force apt or aptitude to NOT repair a broken package . |
| 19:24.03 | stew | |Dede|: try "man etc-aliases" |
| 19:24.04 | hjb | stew after switching from slackware to debian, i.e. from doing everything the "manual" way to using some tools for everything |
| 19:24.11 | valdyn | stiv2k: *2^n or /2^n |
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| 19:24.21 | stew | j-b: remove it |
| 19:24.25 | hjb | stew I'm always concerned about doing things the "debian-way" |
| 19:24.37 | j-b | stew: without removing it |
| 19:24.44 | hjb | stew but this "debian-way" is sometimes hard to figure out ;-) |
| 19:24.47 | stew | j-b: why would you want a broken package? |
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| 19:24.57 | j-b | stew: becausse it is skype ? |
| 19:25.00 | stew | hjb: there is also rcconf or sysv-rc-conf or something |
| 19:25.10 | stiv2k | valdyn: hm |
| 19:25.14 | stew | j-b: why do you want skype to be broken on your system? |
| 19:25.15 | j-b | stew: and it doesn't install without forcing the dependencies |
| 19:25.21 | valdyn | stiv2k: but you cant shift negative numbers that way |
| 19:25.31 | ragbrai | Im trying to run tomcat as a different user (tomcat) and not root.. so, I chown the catalina_home to tomcat-user, the try to run the service.. I can't cuz I dont have permission to logs (I change that) but logs comes from a simbolic link in /var/lib/tomcat5.5.. is fine to run tomcat as a root service? |
| 19:25.32 | valdyn | stiv2k: at least not portably |
| 19:25.36 | j-b | stew: it is not broken, it depends on a pakage that was renamed |
| 19:25.46 | stew | j-b: which package? |
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| 19:26.08 | stew | j-b: you should probably find a package of skype that was built for your version of debian |
| 19:26.26 | j-b | stew: libqt4-core, who moved to libqtcore4 |
| 19:27.34 | hjb | stew ok, i see. But rcconf is only a front-end to update-rc.d, so i'll just use the plain thing |
| 19:27.35 | j-b | stew: no skype is built for sid |
| 19:27.35 | hjb | stew thanks for your help so far |
| 19:27.35 | j-b | especially with experimental packages |
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| 19:28.19 | stew | j-b: the best thing to do is to find a skype package which isn't broken then. the next best is to fix it to have the right dependencies. failing those two, use equivs |
| 19:28.26 | SPF | When I reboot my debian, the sound settings are reset to zero. How can I auto reload those settings? |
| 19:28.37 | stew | SPF: alsactl store |
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| 19:29.01 | SPF | !dpkg alsactl |
| 19:29.10 | stew | SPF: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:29.15 | cusco | stew: what if we don't have alsatools installed? |
| 19:29.19 | SPF | find in which package it is |
| 19:29.25 | stew | SPF: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 19:29.26 | cusco | is tehre any other way? |
| 19:29.30 | j-b | stew: 1/ skype ain't opensource, so I doubt 2/ same. it doesn't understand the renmaing of the package and it does work witout any issue |
| 19:29.31 | stew | cusco: what is alsatools? |
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| 19:29.36 | cusco | alsa-tools |
| 19:29.42 | valdyn | SPF: aptitude install linux-sound-base |
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| 19:29.56 | stew | j-b: you don't need it to be opensource to fix the packaging |
| 19:30.12 | cusco | stew: I said alsatools thinking you would understand I meant the alsa-tools package |
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| 19:30.16 | hjb | Anyone knows why udev, by default, permanently relates mac-adresses to network device names? |
| 19:30.18 | _haxi_ | what's the wget argument to d/l all files from a directory? |
| 19:30.19 | cusco | that brings alsactl |
| 19:30.22 | SPF | -bash: alsactl: command not found |
| 19:30.28 | cusco | SPF: install alsa-tools |
| 19:30.28 | SPF | after installing sound base |
| 19:30.30 | Flashtek | has a question related to a broken Debian box... |
| 19:30.35 | hjb | I guess that's not useful at all |
| 19:30.35 | stew | SPF: isntall alsa-utils |
| 19:30.42 | cusco | utils? |
| 19:30.46 | xingu | hjb: so that a given physical device has a stable interface name |
| 19:30.49 | Flashtek | I have a system that someone used "cp -R" to perform what they called a "backup" |
| 19:30.52 | cusco | oops |
| 19:30.59 | cusco | maybe that was what I meant |
| 19:31.07 | Flashtek | only, the permissions on the files have not been retained (surprise surprise) |
| 19:31.09 | dustybin | goes to eat some food 'the offical debian way' |
| 19:31.20 | j-b | stew: oh, I didn't know that I could fix the deb manually... Many thanks |
| 19:31.23 | Flashtek | can i use dpkg in some way to repair the permissions/owner/group info ? |
| 19:31.25 | SPF | stew: thx, alsa-utils contains alsactl |
| 19:31.51 | stew | Flashtek: aptitude reinstall packagename |
| 19:31.52 | hjb | xingu Isn't that handled by the order in which the device drivers are loaded? |
| 19:31.59 | Flashtek | stew: for every package ? |
| 19:32.09 | stew | Flashtek: every pacakge that you need to fix the permissions of |
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| 19:32.17 | valdyn | hjb: the order is not fixed |
| 19:32.18 | xingu | hjb: the order is not consistent across reboots |
| 19:32.31 | Flashtek | stew: yep, they backed up / |
| 19:32.40 | stew | Flashtek: then yes, every package |
| 19:32.49 | stew | Flashtek: "aptitude reinstall \~i" |
| 19:33.00 | hikenboot | anyone know if there is directions somewhere for running on debian a minimal xfce just to run firefox/iceweasel |
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| 19:33.21 | hjb | valdyn xingu Boh, ok. I'd had some hard time to find out why, after changing my NIC, my eth0 disapperead and was renamed to eth1 |
| 19:33.31 | |Dede| | stew: thanks |
| 19:33.57 | hjb | valdyn xingu btw. why isn't that order fixed? |
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| 19:34.36 | stew | hjb: what order should it be? |
| 19:34.40 | valdyn | hjb: wrong question. Question is "why make it fixed" |
| 19:34.48 | ma3x | i have intel core 2 duo with ahci (advanced host controller interface) on the hard disk. I already have windows vista and an existing ext3 partition. I just downloaded etch newest installer and i boot and the partitioner recognizes my hard disk but doesn't list the partitions on it. any ideas/suggestions? |
| 19:34.57 | valdyn | hjb: theres intentionally no effort being made to make it fixed. |
| 19:35.11 | ragbrai | have someone here run tomcat as a different user not root in Debian??? |
| 19:35.34 | valdyn | hjb: so it may be randomly fixed or not, important is that kernel developers dont care |
| 19:35.52 | SPF | stew: thx, sound settings are now preserved on reboot |
| 19:36.28 | hjb | valdyn Yes, true. And regarding e.g. USB adapters or something where the bus topologie and position of the device changes, it makes sense :-/ |
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| 19:36.52 | hjb | valdyn but in case a device completely disappers, i think the mapping should be removed |
| 19:36.58 | valdyn | hjb: and most things are getting hotpluggable, cpu, ram, disks, most things |
| 19:37.35 | stew | hjb: no, i don't want it to completely remove the mapping just becuase i booted without my usb device plugged in |
| 19:37.42 | valdyn | hjb: you can talk to the udev developer about that, but he will probably just tell you to write your own udev rule for that |
| 19:38.01 | stew | if you mean the debian udev maintainer, he'll probably just belittle you |
| 19:38.03 | hjb | valdyn I think so, too |
| 19:38.26 | hjb | valdyn They even redirect user question to distribution maintainers :-) |
| 19:38.30 | Flashtek | stew: looks like it's going to be 'fun' fixing this one... |
| 19:38.38 | ma3x | can anyone answer please? |
| 19:38.38 | Flashtek | stew: thanks for the pointer though :-) |
| 19:38.56 | valdyn | hjb: sure for stuff like that. Those scripts are really up to each distro |
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| 19:40.02 | hjb | valdyn Makes sense. After all, i just wanted to remarked that it puzzled me a lot to find my device renamed after exchanging the NIC |
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| 19:40.13 | hjb | valdyn This should be at least some kind of documented |
| 19:40.18 | valdyn | hjb: it gets pretty complicated once you have more than 1 nic and debian is supposed to know what you want to happen in each case of removal / addition of a device |
| 19:40.37 | stew | hjb: no you DIDN'T find you deviced renamed after exchanging the NIC, that was the point! :) |
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| 19:41.00 | hjb | valdyn Just a line like "This get's renamed because there's already another NIC mapped to this network device name" after the "udev renamed eth0 to eth1" would be enought |
| 19:41.13 | ma3x | anyone? |
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| 19:41.32 | valdyn | hjb: i think you're only being confused by this because you are used to the old behaviour |
| 19:41.40 | hjb | stew :-) if you put it this way! |
| 19:41.40 | stew | hjb: file a wishlist bug against udev |
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| 19:42.00 | valdyn | hjb: new device = new name would seem perfectly obvious |
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| 19:42.44 | ma3x | stew, can you tell me why the install cd of debian doesnt detect my ext3 and vista (ntfs) partition? |
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| 19:42.54 | stew | ma3x: no |
| 19:42.58 | ma3x | note: i have tried with and without ahci (disabled it in bios) |
| 19:42.59 | hjb | valdyn Hmm. I'm more used to 1 NIC = eth0, 2 NICS = eth0, eth1 ... (whatever order) |
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| 19:43.04 | ma3x | that's pretty stupid, I can't install debian now |
| 19:43.08 | valdyn | ma3x: why do you think the controller is "detected" |
| 19:43.09 | hjb | valdyn That's more obious |
| 19:43.16 | hjb | +x |
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| 19:43.19 | hjb | +v |
| 19:43.21 | hjb | damn |
| 19:43.24 | ma3x | valdyn, what controller? |
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| 19:43.32 | valdyn | ma3x: you disk controller |
| 19:43.41 | ma3x | valdyn, ahci? I disabled it in the bios (even that way still doesn't show the partitions) |
| 19:43.48 | valdyn | ma3x: well, your disk then if you think your disk was detected. |
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| 19:44.02 | valdyn | ma3x: i didnt ask for that |
| 19:44.04 | ma3x | valdyn, the disk is detected |
| 19:44.08 | ma3x | but not the partitions on it |
| 19:44.08 | stew | hjb: yeah, but when people upgrade their kernels on their remote machines, only to have them reboot and decide that eth0 is now firewire isntead of their 100bt card, it's also not good |
| 19:44.13 | valdyn | ma3x: HOW are you noticing that its detected? |
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| 19:44.26 | ma3x | valdyn, because i see the 120gb and brand name |
| 19:44.34 | valdyn | ma3x: where do you see it? |
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| 19:44.48 | ma3x | valdyn, when i select manually partition |
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| 19:45.02 | ma3x | in parted or fdisk ( or whatever the debian installer uses) |
| 19:45.32 | hjb | stew :-) Remote, yeah. That's where those things are really troublesome |
| 19:45.35 | stew | ma3x: how do you get fdisk to tell you a brand name? |
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| 19:46.13 | ma3x | stew, I'm not sure if it's fdisk |
| 19:46.19 | hjb | stew I think i'll just file that wishlist bug and see what comes out. Another line of log output should makes things much clearer, |
| 19:46.22 | ma3x | you know better than me what the debian install cd uses |
| 19:46.23 | pgb | dmesg |
| 19:47.08 | valdyn | hjb: wouldnt the general hint that udev is responsible for device naming be more useful? |
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| 19:48.16 | ma3x | damnit |
| 19:48.23 | ma3x | in this channel noone wants to help |
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| 19:48.31 | ma3x | it wasn't like this before |
| 19:48.44 | hjb | valdyn That hint is already included in the current log line "udev renamed eth0 to eth1" |
| 19:49.09 | hjb | valdyn What i have needed would have been a pointer to where this is configured |
| 19:49.15 | stew | hjb: actually that messages is already there |
| 19:49.28 | hjb | valdyn like "look at /etc/udev/rules.d/network.names" |
| 19:49.31 | stew | /var/log/syslog.2.gz:Apr 4 20:08:15 tang kernel: udev: renamed network interface eth1 to wl |
| 19:49.34 | stew | an0 |
| 19:49.52 | hjb | stew Exectly this message didn't help me at all |
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| 19:50.09 | stew | hjb: what message are you hoping to see? |
| 19:50.37 | adama | hi, how do I mark a package to NOT ever be updated by apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:50.45 | stew | hjb: you said ""udev renamed eth0 to eth1" would be enought". this seems to be exactly that |
| 19:50.48 | valdyn | !pinning |
| 19:50.48 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 19:50.52 | valdyn | adama: ^^ |
| 19:50.56 | stew | adama: /msg dpkg hold |
| 19:50.59 | hjb | stew In addition to that message: "according to mappings in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules" |
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| 19:51.30 | valdyn | that would so flood my logs |
| 19:51.44 | hjb | stew No, i said that it is NOT enough |
| 19:51.48 | valdyn | i mean, udev isnt the only system component that is not totally straightforward to understand |
| 19:51.53 | stew | hjb: it seems like the message there should be enough to get you to 'man udev' which is enough to get you to /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 19:52.22 | hjb | valdyn That would flood your log? It only happens once, at boot time |
| 19:52.23 | stew | i misread "would be enought" as "would be enough" i guess |
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| 19:52.54 | adama | excellent. Now it says it has been kept back |
| 19:53.01 | valdyn | hjb: making this idea a general policy would do that |
| 19:53.18 | hjb | stew Yeah, but try a /persistent in man udev |
| 19:53.33 | hjb | stew Nothing mentioned about persistend device naming in there |
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| 19:53.45 | valdyn | hjb: "blocking incoming packet on port 12304 because of your settings in your firestart.conf" ;) |
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| 19:54.17 | hjb | valdyn That would be ok, true. But right now, i think it isnt. Do you think most users are aware of this? Is it mentioned in the debian-reference? |
| 19:54.35 | hjb | valdyn Oh.. more general :-) |
| 19:54.37 | valdyn | hjb: i think most users dont care |
| 19:54.57 | TbbW | i tryed to change from exim4 to postfix... but i get this error when it tryes to start postfix... |
| 19:54.58 | hjb | valdyn I dind't either. |
| 19:54.59 | TbbW | Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixpostfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/postfix-script: No such file or directory |
| 19:55.06 | valdyn | hjb: i.e. they might notice and ask here how to set up a nic in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:55.08 | hjb | valdyn Until i've switched my NIC |
| 19:55.10 | hjb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.11 | ErikRose | dpkg makes a .dpkg-new on update when somebody's edited a conffile. Are there any other situations when this happens? |
| 19:55.12 | dpkg | that's too long, ErikRose |
| 19:55.25 | ErikRose | I wasn't talking to you. ;-) |
| 19:55.29 | TbbW | anyone know how to fix this ? |
| 19:55.50 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know where to put the equivalent option to pppoe's "-C ac_name" in a /etc/ppp/peers/... conf file for pppd? I want it to connect only to a specific access concentrator. |
| 19:55.56 | valdyn | !confmiss |
| 19:55.56 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 19:56.00 | valdyn | TbbW: ^^^ |
| 19:56.07 | hjb | valdyn How can they access the net to ask here when their network isn't working anymore? ;-) |
| 19:56.10 | stew | hjb: i don't think that the udev manpage should mention this stuff. but it at least would tell you where to look for the settings |
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| 19:56.22 | valdyn | hjb: from the windows installation |
| 19:56.37 | TbbW | valdyn: thanks i'll try that :) |
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| 19:57.01 | valdyn | hjb: you're defenitely right though that this should be somewhere in the debian reference |
| 19:57.05 | hjb | stew True, at least that's the way i get to it. Then i've seen that persistend.net file in their and voila... finally figured it out. But the poit is: it isn't documented anywhere :/ |
| 19:57.21 | valdyn | hjb: like alot of other things |
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| 19:57.52 | hjb | valdyn yes, a lot :-/ |
| 19:57.58 | valdyn | hjb: unfortunately |
| 19:58.01 | TbbW | valdyn: it did not help... got same error :/ |
| 19:58.03 | stew | hjb: yes it is, its documented in NEWS.Debian and in README.Debian |
| 19:58.23 | valdyn | TbbW: how do you know that you reinstall the right package with <confmiss> ? |
| 19:58.52 | hjb | stew :-O |
| 19:58.58 | hjb | stew true |
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| 19:59.27 | hjb | stew You're my hero... Why didn't i look at them before |
| 19:59.28 | valdyn | TbbW: oh and show the command you used, his is not to easy to mess up. |
| 19:59.30 | TbbW | valdyn: because postfix is the one causing the issues... so i changed <packagename> to "postfix" ( without the quotes ) |
| 19:59.46 | TbbW | i used: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install postfix; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall postfix; |
| 19:59.58 | TbbW | wops lol |
| 20:00.05 | TbbW | "or using" lol |
| 20:00.10 | hjb | Sorry for my rants about undocumented stuff then :-D |
| 20:00.47 | valdyn | TbbW: pasting from what dpkg said is not useful |
| 20:01.01 | valdyn | TbbW: it defenitely wont show your typos |
| 20:01.07 | stew | TbbW: yeah, those files are not conffiles in the postfix package, you can find their originals in /usr/shre/postfix |
| 20:01.29 | valdyn | ah, but even then reinstall would have fixed it |
| 20:01.32 | stew | no |
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| 20:01.36 | valdyn | no? |
| 20:02.02 | valdyn | umm |
| 20:02.05 | TbbW | mjeah but dpkg and /etc/init.d/postfix start says: |
| 20:02.05 | stew | wait, i'm not sure |
| 20:02.13 | TbbW | postfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/postfix-script: No such file or directory |
| 20:02.19 | stew | valdyn: it depends on the debconf settings |
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| 20:02.49 | valdyn | stew: postfix beinga file in the postfix package would e reinstall in a postfix reinstall |
| 20:02.58 | valdyn | wth, so many typos |
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| 20:03.43 | UserReg_CL | helpme please... dhcpd not work... eth1: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 <-- is ok? |
| 20:04.00 | stew | TbbW: postfix-script is actually a conffile so force-confmiss should replace it |
| 20:04.35 | valdyn | TbbW: you had a typo in your command, but you didnt show us that command, so we cant see the typo |
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| 20:05.24 | valdyn | UserReg_CL: it means that the ethernet link is up, dhcp is a level higher |
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| 20:06.16 | _haxi_ | mh, how can I fix the "cannot set the system clock" @ boot? |
| 20:06.26 | TbbW | fist one i tryed(failed): apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install postfix; |
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| 20:07.02 | stew | TbbW: what do you mean by "(failed)"? |
| 20:07.25 | TbbW | second one(failed): aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall postfix; |
| 20:07.49 | TbbW | stew: lemme paste it somewhere and give you link |
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| 20:08.38 | TbbW | stew: http://www.nopaste.com/p/agqw8I8ly |
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| 20:10.13 | valdyn | TbbW: you can use the file from postfix-doc: /usr/share/doc/postfix-doc/examples/postfix-script.gz |
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| 20:10.37 | valdyn | TbbW: reinstall isnt working because the installation scripts are failing due to the missing postfix-script |
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| 20:10.37 | stew | don't know why confmiss wouldn't replace it |
| 20:11.18 | alexandroos | hello, my pc just freezes from time to time and I get this error : hda (that is my dvd writer) not ready for command. I can do nothing but hard reset. could u help me? |
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| 20:12.34 | valdyn | alexandroos: "lspci | grep IDE", paste the output if its just one line |
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| 20:13.39 | valdyn | alexandroos: and you should verify cabling to / fro that dvd driver, if you are sufficiently familiar with hardware |
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| 20:13.52 | valdyn | s/driver/drive/ |
| 20:14.07 | alexandroos | valdyn, 02:00.1 IDE interface: JMicron Technologies, Inc. JMicron 20360/20363 AHCI Controller (rev 02) |
| 20:14.27 | GarulfoUnix | Someone know how to register a channel on Freenode ? |
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| 20:14.47 | EdgarB4_G | Any heartbeat & ocfs gurus out there? Need help. I've been trying to set up a 2node cluster for a whole weekend. Got to the point where i can see each node individually up but not started in the same cluster. Any help would be appreciated. Plz pm.Cheers |
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| 20:15.16 | kdubois | if i have a package i installed with apt-get, how can i tell where the files it put on my system are? |
| 20:15.18 | stew | GarulfoUnix: "/msg chanserv help register" please direct future freenode related questions to #freenode |
| 20:15.26 | stew | kdubois: dpkg -L packagename |
| 20:15.35 | kdubois | thanks stew |
| 20:15.48 | alexandroos | valdyn, i already checked that, the dvd write is attached to the first ide channel, no other drivers attached to it |
| 20:15.56 | stew | EdgarB4_G: ask #linux-ha |
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| 20:16.05 | EdgarB4_G | coo.Thanks stew |
| 20:16.20 | valdyn | alexandroos: this looks like a sata controller ( ahci ), im not familar with that one having an ide bridge |
| 20:16.38 | TbbW | ugh... now there are more errors :/ |
| 20:16.41 | valdyn | alexandroos: any unkown devices i "lscpi" ? |
| 20:16.53 | chops | !tell TbbW about wtem |
| 20:16.58 | TbbW | http://www.nopaste.com/p/ap54QPnJR <- dont know where to get "postfix-files" :/ |
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| 20:18.33 | alexandroos | valdyn, no unknown devices in lspci |
| 20:19.49 | alexandroos | valdyn, do i have to enable ahci by bios? |
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| 20:21.11 | sercik | hi! someone can help me to use command setkeycodes? |
| 20:21.31 | valdyn | alexandroos: you should have your controller set to ahci yea |
| 20:21.33 | sercik | i know synopsys but i don't want to assign a keycode already used |
| 20:21.56 | valdyn | alexandroos: i cant tell you defenitely if your kernel will still support your controller, but still ahci is probably the best driver |
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| 20:22.59 | alinux-lb22 | hi all how should I edit my fstab entry for a smb share so that files created in that mount dir are owned by the users who create them not by root ? |
| 20:23.21 | alinux-lb22 | hi all how should I edit my fstab entry for a smb share so that files created in that mount dir are owned by the users who create them not by root ? |
| 20:23.23 | chops | alinux-lb22: Add the uid= option IIRC |
| 20:23.24 | alexandroos | valdyn, it is currently set as IDE . I mean Sata configuration is set to ide instead of AHCI. I'll switch to AHCI |
| 20:23.31 | alinux-lb22 | sorry double post |
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| 20:23.47 | valdyn | alexandroos: yep |
| 20:23.57 | sercik | with id command you can know user gid |
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| 20:25.18 | alexandroos | valdyn, what's the difference between ahci and ide mode? |
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| 20:33.11 | valdyn | alexandroos: i dont know the technical details, ahci is a modern standard implemented for many different disk controllers and the linux driver should be the most used and best quality |
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| 20:33.37 | valdyn | !ahci |
| 20:33.37 | dpkg | ahci is probably Advanced Host Controller Interface |
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| 20:33.53 | alexandroos | thank you valdyn |
| 20:34.27 | TbbW | anyone know a diffrent #debian channel exept on freenode and efnet that may be able to help me with this post fix issue i pasted an link to a few min ago? :/ |
| 20:34.35 | bed_deb | what's the user that run (default) tomcat? |
| 20:34.39 | TbbW | postfix* |
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| 20:34.51 | dexxx | !leet |
| 20:34.51 | dpkg | /me is leet cos he can start lines with a / |
| 20:34.57 | dexxx | lol |
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| 20:35.51 | stew | TbbW: have you tried saving your config, purging postfix, then reinstalling? |
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| 20:36.28 | TbbW | stew: apt wont let me purge postfix |
| 20:36.39 | stew | TbbW: why not? |
| 20:36.54 | TbbW | dependancys |
| 20:37.03 | stew | TbbW: show me |
| 20:37.04 | TbbW | i did reinstall exim4 doh |
| 20:37.18 | stew | TbbW: if exim4 is installed, then it really shouldn't mind you purgin postfix |
| 20:37.48 | TbbW | but when i install exim4 it automaticly removes postfix... exept without the --purge |
| 20:38.29 | stew | TbbW: yes, then you can purge it after exim4 is installed |
| 20:38.39 | TbbW | ah, i'll try that |
| 20:39.05 | stew | TbbW: i don't think apt-get would let you, but "aptitude purge postfix" or "dpkg --purge postfix" would |
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| 20:43.11 | TbbW | stew: holy s... that worked :D |
| 20:43.26 | TbbW | thanks so much stew!! :D |
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| 20:45.33 | curtmack | Okay, you know how, when you run the Debian installer, it preconfigures all of your devices? |
| 20:45.56 | curtmack | Is there a way to do that again without reinstalling Debian? I transferred the hard drive to another computer |
| 20:46.14 | zshzn | wow, I totally read your nick as "cuntmack". that r wraps over too easily |
| 20:47.08 | stew | curtmack: what devices do you need to to detect/configure? |
| 20:48.05 | curtmack | well, everything works, but there's some leftover configuration that gives me errors (i.e. all the configuration for my old wifi card) and I'm too lazy to go through and change everything by hand |
| 20:48.28 | stew | curtmack: there is no way to do what you want to do |
| 20:48.33 | curtmack | okay then |
| 20:48.34 | curtmack | thanks |
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| 20:58.27 | alexandroos | bye all |
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| 21:00.00 | noppe | i have a little problem with shutdown/reboot. lenny hangs almost every single time. it seems like it logs out of kde/gnome normally, but then hangs with just a black screen. what might cause this? |
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| 21:01.39 | curtmack | can you switch to a different VT? |
| 21:02.00 | dclarke | q: if I ask a ubuntu question .. do I get nuked here ?? |
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| 21:02.09 | noppe | me? yes, i can. |
| 21:02.09 | dclarke | braces self |
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| 21:02.44 | rahul | !penixstrike dclarke |
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| 21:02.44 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking dclarke to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 21:02.51 | dclarke | how do I start X so I can login via xfce or GNOME ? |
| 21:02.52 | rahul | you asked an ubuntu question. |
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| 21:02.59 | jelly-home | dclarke: depends on the general mood |
| 21:03.08 | rahul | dclarke: if it's like debian, you install xdm |
| 21:03.16 | jelly-home | dclarke: or gdm |
| 21:03.22 | p3rti | how i make that chanserv join my registered room? |
| 21:03.25 | rahul | dclarke: if it's not, you deserve the confusion that results |
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| 21:03.42 | dclarke | hrmm .. okay .. I need to install VMware Workstation and those wonks say that Debian etch is not supported but ubuntu is .. so I went with ubuntu 7.10 and now here I sit .. broken hearted |
| 21:03.44 | \amethyst | p3rti: try asking in #freenode maybe |
| 21:03.51 | phz | In Sid (yes, I know it's not supported :-) ), does anyone know why APT wants to install a load of new packages on a dist-upgrade? Apparently the complete emacs-suite is going to be installed |
| 21:03.56 | jelly-home | but that other os would have gdm and gnome installed by default |
| 21:03.59 | rahul | p3rti: it's pretty obvious in the help from chanserv... |
| 21:04.01 | abrotman | dclarke: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:04.14 | rahul | phz: use aptitude and look at the reverse depends |
| 21:04.19 | dclarke | abrotman : I don't like the ubuntu .. never did |
| 21:04.28 | abrotman | dclarke: then don't use it |
| 21:04.29 | rahul | dclarke: if you don't like it, don't tell us |
| 21:04.34 | dclarke | but .. I guess VMware has forced me here |
| 21:04.37 | abrotman | no it hasn't |
| 21:04.40 | rahul | uh |
| 21:04.42 | dclarke | no ? |
| 21:04.44 | rahul | no. |
| 21:04.50 | rahul | what ARE you smoking? |
| 21:04.51 | dclarke | VMware Workstation 6 will run on etch ? |
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| 21:05.04 | abrotman | dclarke: what are the requirements? |
| 21:05.16 | dclarke | because their docs and their tech support people say no .. it won't |
| 21:05.44 | abrotman | dclarke: you could install etch in the vmware .. then install vmware in your etch in your vmware |
| 21:05.53 | dclarke | requirements .. are fuzzy. They want SUSE or Red Hat EL5 or RHEL4 or Ubuntu 7.04 and 7.10 is now supported |
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| 21:06.09 | abrotman | dclarke: did you ask #vmware? |
| 21:06.35 | curtmack | does installing ubuntu packages on a debian computer blow up the world? |
| 21:06.36 | dclarke | good idea .. never figured I could. I do have a platinium support contract and so I called them up .. they said no to debian |
| 21:06.50 | curtmack | or my computer for that matter? |
| 21:06.54 | rahul | then use virtualization software that works for you |
| 21:07.04 | dclarke | no .. it has to be VMware |
| 21:07.04 | rahul | there are a dozen different pacakges available |
| 21:07.05 | abrotman | curtmack: no one will support you if you can get it to work |
| 21:07.22 | dclarke | it *has* to be a supported and recognized commercial solution |
| 21:07.22 | rahul | dclarke: if it has to be vmware, then you have a really crack-headed application |
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| 21:07.39 | Nyle | oy |
| 21:07.42 | rahul | yo |
| 21:07.44 | rahul | hey |
| 21:07.45 | rahul | hrm |
| 21:07.51 | dclarke | rahul : do you live in the real world ? people don't install anything in corporations unless it has support contracts |
| 21:07.59 | abrotman | dclarke: like debian ? |
| 21:08.00 | rahul | dclarke: you're not gettinga support contract |
| 21:08.05 | benjamindees | zing |
| 21:08.08 | Nyle | oooh |
| 21:08.10 | Nyle | BURN |
| 21:08.15 | dniel | Which important enterprise uses Linux debian in yours servers? |
| 21:08.15 | dclarke | what ? |
| 21:08.15 | rahul | dclarke: and we create our own support contracts |
| 21:08.35 | dclarke | geez .. this is what I get ... okay .. back to Vista |
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| 21:08.42 | rahul | dclarke: are you not allowed to use gcc either? |
| 21:08.44 | rahul | haha |
| 21:08.46 | rahul | \o/ |
| 21:08.52 | benjamindees | dniel, EDS |
| 21:09.06 | rahul | dniel: HP |
| 21:09.17 | abrotman | ibm will if you pay them enough |
| 21:10.19 | dniel | benjamindees and rahul: thaks! |
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| 21:13.51 | benjamindees | I'm pretty sure BP does as well. |
| 21:13.58 | DanglyBits | Will No Machines NX work under Lenny? |
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| 21:14.23 | dniel | because I have a friend and he says that the important enteprise uses Suse and RedHat. I wanna show him that debian besides is used in a lot of enterprise |
| 21:14.50 | Decepticon_ | how can i tell X to resend video signal to my TV (my only monitor is my TV), right now i am seeing a blue screen on my TV indicating no signal. I want X to do this without restarting itself and killing all my processes |
| 21:15.39 | stew | Decepticon_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:15.44 | Decepticon_ | i am debian etch |
| 21:15.57 | stew | Decepticon_: which driver are you using? |
| 21:16.02 | Decepticon_ | i do not know |
| 21:16.24 | curtmack | look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 21:16.36 | DanglyBits | back to my question...what can i use for remote viewing of a lenny system from a windozz xp system? |
| 21:16.40 | stew | Decepticon_: X in general wouldn't have that capability in etch. it would require xrandr 1.2 or better which is only in testing/unstable. you'd have to find some tool specific to whichever video driver you are using |
| 21:16.48 | abrotman | DanglyBits: X or CLI ? |
| 21:16.58 | DanglyBits | X |
| 21:16.59 | benjamindees | Decepticon, what video chipset? |
| 21:17.08 | abrotman | VNC or RDP are probably the easiest to get giong |
| 21:17.16 | Decepticon_ | i am using a GeForce FX 5500 with TV out |
| 21:17.32 | DanglyBits | abrotman: what about freenx? |
| 21:17.37 | Decepticon_ | im not sure what to look for in /etc/X11/xorg.conf about drivers |
| 21:17.38 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 21:17.57 | curtmack | never mind then |
| 21:17.58 | dniel | returns in a few minutes |
| 21:17.59 | Decepticon_ | nvidia |
| 21:18.10 | Decepticon_ | i see what you mean now, im using the nvidia drivers |
| 21:18.21 | Decepticon_ | i got them installed via nvidia's website |
| 21:18.26 | curtmack | yeah |
| 21:18.41 | DanglyBits | abrotman: is that vnc4server? |
| 21:18.47 | curtmack | it's probably like stew said |
| 21:19.01 | curtmack | see if nvidia has any guides or instructions on how to enable TV out using their drivers |
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| 21:19.35 | abrotman | DanglyBits: look around and read the description |
| 21:19.38 | Decepticon_ | curtmack: ive already enabled TV out (by looking at instructions on ubuntuforums.org) the problem is that it seems to have idled out and now there is no signal |
| 21:20.00 | Decepticon_ | curtmack: it is as if a monitor was turned off due to power saving... and you have no way of turning it back on |
| 21:20.01 | stew | Decepticon_: check the physical connections |
| 21:20.31 | stew | Decepticon_: also try "xset -dpms" |
| 21:20.48 | Decepticon_ | that did it! |
| 21:20.57 | Decepticon_ | amazing! |
| 21:21.08 | Decepticon_ | thank you stew |
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| 21:22.16 | Decepticon_ | stew: that seems to disable energystar features, i take it this is a permanent setting from now on? |
| 21:22.26 | Decepticon_ | unless i do xset +dpms |
| 21:22.28 | abrotman | !dpms |
| 21:22.29 | dpkg | i heard dpms is know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 21:23.16 | stew | Decepticon_: or until you restart x |
| 21:23.43 | Decepticon_ | so what is a permenent soltuion? to remove all instances of DPMS from xorg.conf? |
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| 21:24.00 | stew | Decepticon_: to explicitly set it to "off" in xorg.conf |
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| 21:24.55 | daishi | Is it possible to install debian on a USB key without already having a debian installation? Every guide I've been able to find requires that linux already be installed, but I just want to install it off the cd. |
| 21:25.07 | rcbarnes | I asked dpkg search, but it didn't seem to say. Is there a way (besides searching google "debian package foo.1.so") to find which package will provide a missing file foo.1.so? |
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| 21:26.04 | abrotman | rcbarnes: apt-file |
| 21:26.11 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 21:26.11 | dpkg | usb install is probably Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 21:26.15 | abrotman | !tell rcbarnes about apt-file |
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| 21:27.46 | daishi | abrotman: Those all require that I have linux installed already. Doesn't debian have something like DSL's installer that doesn't require a linux installation already be there? |
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| 21:28.01 | abrotman | i believe you can use cygwin |
| 21:28.05 | abrotman | or try co-linux |
| 21:28.11 | Supaplex | !goodbye-windows.com |
| 21:28.11 | dpkg | http://www.goodbye-windows.com/debian/ will install Debian side-by-side with an existing win32/64 system (see site for ongoing compatibility). It can be non-destructive if you follow directions, or if you want, just replace that evil non-free OS all together. Supaplex is the webmaster (for site issues) See site for all FAQ. on freenode #goodbye-windows.com |
| 21:28.18 | rcbarnes | abrotman: Sorry to waste channel space with my question. I apparently misunderstood what apt-file did from /msg dpkg search. :-/ |
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| 21:28.31 | rcbarnes | goes off to instal apt-file and read the manpage... |
| 21:28.35 | abrotman | rcbarnes: make sense now ? |
| 21:28.48 | stew | daishi: you should be able to install onto a usb drive just like any other hard drive |
| 21:28.58 | abrotman | rcbarnes: short answer .. `aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search foo.1.bar` |
| 21:28.59 | rcbarnes | I was apologizing for asking a question that had already apparently been answered by dpkg. |
| 21:29.07 | niten | hi all. will ubuntu .deb packages install properly on debian etch? i need an older version of wine,and can't find it for debian ,just for ubuntu |
| 21:29.22 | Supaplex | !tell niten -about snapshots |
| 21:29.29 | rcbarnes | abrotman: Oh, I know how to install it, and I'll read the manpage. Thanks, though. |
| 21:29.43 | abrotman | niten: it's not recommended and no one will help you clean up the mess |
| 21:29.49 | Supaplex | niten: short answer, no. long answer, /msg dpkg bobbitt |
| 21:29.52 | stew | niten: you should not install pacakges from another distro. if you can find them on sdn (/msg dpkg sdn) you can "backport" them from ubuntu: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 21:30.05 | stew | ^can^can't |
| 21:30.13 | niten | :D |
| 21:30.40 | Supaplex | I don't even suggest backporting them from ubuntu. Too many fscked up mishaps from them here... |
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| 21:31.47 | chops | niten: Why not just backport an older Debian package if you're going to go that route? |
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| 21:32.18 | Supaplex | niten: and if it's a regerssion issue, let winehq know too |
| 21:32.43 | niten | yeah,i told them |
| 21:32.48 | daishi | stew: but will it constantly read/write to the drive (thus aging it) or create a ramdisk? |
| 21:33.00 | niten | they said they improve,and in the process they break some stuff :D |
| 21:33.01 | WickedMetalHead | Hm, is there any reason to use LVM on a Software Raid5 since Mdadm can expand a raid by adding another disk without data loss? |
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| 21:33.21 | stew | daishi: it will treat it like any other hard drive until you start configuring things otherwise |
| 21:33.30 | stew | daishi: meaning that it will write to it often |
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| 21:34.15 | abrotman | WickedMetalHead: if you need to change partition sizes? |
| 21:34.29 | stew | you can do that without lvm |
| 21:34.52 | stew | WickedMetalHead: if you need to span multiple arrays, if you want to be able to move off an array while online, if you want to take snapshots |
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| 21:38.20 | vat | havin' trouble with kerberos |
| 21:39.22 | vat | HELP!! |
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| 21:40.03 | stew | vat: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 21:40.14 | nse | hehe |
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| 21:40.29 | niten | thx guys,i'll try sth .cheers |
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| 21:40.40 | nse | fine. :) |
| 21:40.46 | vat | stew: I am having trouble with krb5-admin-server |
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| 21:40.55 | stew | vat: if you have a quesiton, just ask it |
| 21:41.15 | vat | stew: I am having trouble with krb5-admin-server |
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| 21:42.00 | vat | I am having trouble with krb5-admin-server |
| 21:42.09 | stew | vat: sorry to hear that. do you have a question related to krb5-admin-server? if so, you should just ask it. |
| 21:42.28 | vat | stew: yes. |
| 21:42.37 | chops | vat: Oh, I happen to know the solution to that! <engages mind reading> You wrote a 5 where you should have written 7. Have a nice day! |
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| 21:43.23 | vat | I am having trouble with krb5-admin-server. may I have some help? |
| 21:43.30 | niten | rofl |
| 21:43.49 | chops | !ask to ask |
| 21:43.49 | dpkg | Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>. |
| 21:44.19 | vat | about <ask> |
| 21:44.27 | chops | !tell vat about ask |
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| 21:46.34 | jelly-home | troll detector is at yellow |
| 21:46.35 | chops | Well, that was fun |
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| 21:53.45 | netdu1 | my debian-based-distro boot into read only file system, how do I fix this? |
| 21:54.19 | stew | netdu1: ask a channel specific to your debian-based-distro |
| 21:54.24 | chops | netdu1: (a) Debian-based? (b) All Linux distros generally boot into a read-only FS, and then remount it read-write partway through boot |
| 21:54.26 | amphi | netdu1: remount rw, eg mount / -o remount,rw |
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| 21:54.50 | netdu1 | stew: MY debian-based-distro people are not that smart as YOU are |
| 21:55.00 | stew | netdu1: perhaps you should use debian then |
| 21:55.15 | stew | !they don't know |
| 21:55.15 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 21:55.15 | netdu1 | amphi: thanks, gonna try that |
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| 21:56.58 | netdu1 | stew: see how amphi fast answered my question? that's smartness and it is opinion not insult |
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| 21:59.28 | stew | netdu1: your questions, however are off-topic in this channel nonetheless |
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| 22:02.09 | benjamindees | is it correct to assume that aptitude keeps track of packages I implicitly install using apt? |
| 22:02.29 | benjamindees | or dpkg for that matter |
| 22:02.44 | curtmack | yes |
| 22:02.47 | cafuego | benjamindees: depends on the version i think so, these days... though not necessarily dpkg. |
| 22:03.00 | benjamindees | for use when removing unwanted dependencies |
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| 22:05.19 | stew | benjamindees: no, apt-get and aptitude have separate databases, afaik |
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| 22:05.38 | stew | benjamindees: at least, using apt-mark markauto doesn't mark pacakges as auto in aptitude |
| 22:05.47 | netdu1 | stew: ok! let both go to THAT channel and ask the same question, if someone helped me right I would buy you beers every time we meet... for life |
| 22:06.24 | stew | if i had a way to collect all the beers i've been promised on irc i'd be drunk for life |
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| 22:06.50 | netdu1 | so you never been to conf. |
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| 22:07.24 | benjamindees | if only we used IPoAC maybe you could do that |
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| 22:07.38 | DirkGently | stew: you could be come the provider of free as in free beer |
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| 22:19.03 | kaffien | i just installed proftpd yet i cannot get it to allow root to login |
| 22:19.07 | kaffien | is root denied by default? |
| 22:19.17 | benkong2 | hello all |
| 22:19.37 | benkong2 | how can install sid wordpress 2.5 in a lenny debian install |
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| 22:21.29 | DirkGently | kaffien: yes... standard policy |
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| 22:22.29 | stew | kaffien: yes, you should think twice about using FTP, and you should think many more times before enabling root logins via FTP, as it would involve your root password going over the network unencrypted |
| 22:22.39 | DirkGently | kaffien: type /msg dpkg ftp |
| 22:22.56 | stew | benkong2: /msg dpkg quick lenny/sid mix |
| 22:23.12 | benkong2 | thanks stew |
| 22:23.33 | DirkGently | I don't even ssh using root |
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| 22:24.13 | wica_ | hello, how can a get a list of files which are install by package X ? |
| 22:24.23 | stew | wica_: dpkg -L packagename |
| 22:25.07 | wica_ | stew: Thnx, maybe you can tell me also how I can get a list of packages that are installed ? |
| 22:25.18 | stew | wica_: aptitude search '~i' |
| 22:25.38 | wica_ | nice |
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| 22:25.45 | SRabbelier | stew: why search for '~i'? can you explain |
| 22:25.56 | stew | SRabbelier: ~i means 'installed' |
| 22:26.05 | wica_ | SO now I know 4 command :) |
| 22:26.05 | wica_ | thnx |
| 22:26.13 | SRabbelier | stew ah, makes sense then :) |
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| 22:31.56 | Supaplex | what should I use to install a 32bit iceweasel side-by-side my existing 64bit one? I'm using all 64bit on amd64 at present. |
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| 22:32.11 | kaffien | problem solved thanks everyone |
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| 22:32.46 | stew | Supaplex: use debootstrap to install a 32-bit chroot? |
| 22:33.19 | Supaplex | I thought about that, but isn't there a non chroot/vserver/etc option for this? |
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| 22:34.09 | stew | Supaplex: install another computer right next to the 64 bit one so that they can truely be 'side-by-side' :) |
| 22:34.18 | Supaplex | meh |
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| 22:40.08 | DrkShadow | are the amd64 cd's usable on intel 64-bit procs? |
| 22:40.15 | WickedMetalHead | don't think so |
| 22:40.23 | WickedMetalHead | think you need an ia64, but i might be wrong |
| 22:40.32 | DrkShadow | ia64 is itanium... |
| 22:40.34 | SRabbelier | gah, my lappie won't talk to my AP at home anymore since I switched to the latest kernel (resulting in rebuliding madwifi etc) :( |
| 22:40.45 | WickedMetalHead | er |
| 22:40.45 | WickedMetalHead | hm |
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| 22:41.01 | DrkShadow | and x86-64 isn't ia64 that I know of.. but there'ss no x86_64 listed |
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| 22:41.16 | billybobo231 | i think AMD64 are ok for Intel64, since AMD created the platform. Like Inter32 can run on an AMD32 processor, since Intel created that platform. |
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| 22:42.43 | WickedMetalHead | The goal is to support both 32bit- and 64bit-userland on this architecture. This port supports AMD's 64-bit Opteron, Athlon and Sempron processors, and Intel's processors with EM64T support, including the Pentium D and various Xeon and Core2 series. |
| 22:42.43 | DrkShadow | right. that's correct :-) thanks |
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| 22:42.59 | WickedMetalHead | for amd64 |
| 22:43.42 | WickedMetalHead | hm maybe one of you folks will know this... i just created a raid5 with mdadm, is it usual for the 3rd device to be listed as State "spare rebuilding", will it switch over to be active once the array is done building? or did i mess something up (this is a raid5 with 3 drives, no spares) |
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| 22:50.34 | zo_orki | is there any possibility to run debian on a notebook without wasting all the energy (sorry for my englisch, i'm no native)? I was told, that windows recognizes when running on a notebook and decreases the MHz if the processor is not used 100%. How does it work on debian? |
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| 22:51.40 | themill | !power saving |
| 22:51.40 | dpkg | [power saving] http://www.lesswatts.org/ http://www.linux.com/base/ldp/howto/Ecology-HOWTO/ecology-howto-appendix-a-3.html, or ask me about <powertop> |
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| 22:52.01 | themill | hmm.... that's a bit useless. |
| 22:52.28 | Jeed | hi, why doesnt lilo or grub install on amd64 net inst >.< ive asked in -amd64 |
| 22:54.36 | cafuego | zo_orki: Debian has been doing that for more years than I can count. |
| 22:54.40 | qoreqyas | Jeed: pls be a bit more precise, error message? |
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| 22:55.18 | cafuego | zo_orki: But as opposed to some windows tools, it does not lie about the speed it makes the CPU run at. |
| 22:55.19 | zo_orki | so i won't have any problems? |
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| 22:55.23 | cafuego | zo_orki: nope |
| 22:55.32 | zo_orki | thx |
| 22:55.39 | themill | zo_orki: There are lots of tools to do it. You can prod around in /sys to set the governor etc manually. I use kpowersave for a nice gui for it. |
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| 22:55.59 | zo_orki | do i have to configure or change anything or ist it automatically arranged? |
| 22:56.11 | themill | dpkg: power saving is also <kpowersave> |
| 22:56.11 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 22:56.14 | damog | amarok refuses to play m4u Å©_Å© |
| 22:56.15 | Jeed | qoreqyas, on the install it just did grub-install fatal error, and lilo it said nothing and finished the install, but trying to boot from any of the hdds i just got grub error 15, i then tried rescue mode, shell'ed into the / and tried grub, grub-install lilo etc and no luck :/ lilo wouldnt do it because of me being chrooted and not having proper /proc and stuff, and grub couldnt read stage1 |
| 22:56.16 | cafuego | zo_orki: install powernowd and off it goes |
| 22:56.35 | stew | zo_orki: you might also look at installing the laptop-mode package |
| 22:57.04 | zo_orki | where are the differrences beetween powernowd, laptio-mode package and kpowersave? |
| 22:57.05 | stew | zo_orki: and you might want to install and run powertop |
| 22:57.32 | cafuego | zo_orki: they are all more or less interfaces to acpi, to switch cpu speeds. |
| 22:57.57 | stew | zo_orki: laptop-mode effects spinning down of hard disks to save power |
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| 22:58.16 | zo_orki | cafuego: so i need just one of them? |
| 22:58.25 | cafuego | Note, probably do not use laptop-mode if you have an SSD device |
| 22:58.39 | stew | cafuego: i don't want me SSD to spin |
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| 22:59.12 | qoreqyas | Jeed: mount --bind /proc to your jail |
| 22:59.12 | cafuego | zo_orki: pretty much., I tend to use powernowd and laptop mode... and Gnome has a widge, which I iamgine kpowersave is for KDE. |
| 22:59.48 | Jeed | qoreqyas, that wasnt the only problem lilo gave, but ok ill do that and get back with the next error |
| 23:00.24 | zo_orki | does kpowersave manages the work of laptop-mode, too? |
| 23:00.39 | qoreqyas | Jeed: and /dev ! |
| 23:00.58 | Jeed | i think it gave me a static /dev |
| 23:01.04 | Jeed | booting back into rescue now |
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| 23:03.23 | Jeed | ok 'Warning /dev/sda is not on the first disk' 'added linux *' 'skipping /vmliuz.old' |
| 23:03.45 | Jeed | im so used to dealing with grub, so i know nothing about lilo |
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| 23:03.56 | cafuego | why not use grub then? |
| 23:04.07 | Jeed | cafuego, it doesnt work :/ |
| 23:04.08 | themill | dpkg: power saving is also <laptop mode> and <powernowd> |
| 23:04.08 | dpkg | okay, themill |
| 23:04.35 | cafuego | dpkg: power saving is also hugging trees and not using gentoo |
| 23:04.36 | dpkg | cafuego: okay |
| 23:04.46 | themill | :) |
| 23:05.13 | cafuego | though admittedly the trees might be happier with extra CO2 |
| 23:05.29 | zo_orki | thank you very much |
| 23:06.00 | themill | and they like the warmth... |
| 23:06.23 | Jeed | hmm, even though lilo *said* it installed, grub error 15 |
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| 23:06.33 | cafuego | heh |
| 23:07.00 | Jeed | could have written the bootloader sequence in pure binary myself by now :/ |
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| 23:19.55 | sercik | i need a little help with keycodes, someone can assist me? |
| 23:19.56 | sercik | i have created a script, and added to rc.local, that execute this command setkeycodes e059 125 |
| 23:19.56 | sercik | but if i use xev and press that key xev output tell keycode 115 why? |
| 23:19.56 | sercik | Probably xev and setkeycodes don't use the same system?? for example first decimal and second esadecimal ?? |
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| 23:20.29 | sercik | i have created a script, and added to rc.local, that execute this command setkeycodes e059 125 |
| 23:20.34 | sercik | but if i use xev and press that key xev output tell keycode 115 why? |
| 23:20.38 | sercik | Probably xev and setkeycodes don't use the same system?? for example first decimal and second esadecimal ?? |
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| 23:21.47 | dondelelcaro | sercik: setkeycodes is oly for console; it has nothing to do with X. |
| 23:22.04 | sercik | hi dondelelcaro |
| 23:22.13 | sercik | but it works |
| 23:22.21 | sercik | also if keycode is not the same |
| 23:22.34 | sercik | i wnt to use xbindkeys however |
| 23:23.10 | dondelelcaro | sercik: if you want to change keymappings in X, use xmodmap or similar. Also, try not to overuse enter in here. |
| 23:23.27 | curtmack | How do I set the working directory for a .desktop launcher? |
| 23:23.27 | sercik | okok sorry |
| 23:23.47 | sercik | but you are able to reply to my question? |
| 23:24.39 | dondelelcaro | sercik: what about it? If you want to move keys around in X, use xmodmap. |
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| 23:25.36 | sercik | my question is xev keycode are different that keycode assigned with setkeycodes command? |
| 23:25.55 | dondelelcaro | sercik: yes, they are. man setkeycodes; |
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| 23:26.33 | sercik | how it is possible that i do setkeycodes e059 125 and thwn xev give another code?? |
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| 23:26.48 | dondelelcaro | sercik: because they don't use the same mechanisms at all. |
| 23:26.56 | sercik | ah! |
| 23:27.42 | sercik | i have used setkeycodes because of a dmesg output that tell me to use setkeycodes |
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| 23:27.45 | dondelelcaro | setkeycodes is proper for changing the assignment of the keys in consoles. |
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| 23:28.22 | sercik | and if the key is not recognized? |
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| 23:28.46 | sercik | how can i set correctly? not with setkeycodes? i have followed dmesg output |
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| 23:29.10 | dondelelcaro | if it's not seen by xev, then you have to do other machinations |
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| 23:30.43 | dmilith | test |
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| 23:30.46 | sercik | if i use setkeycodes then xev see it |
| 23:31.29 | stevendubois | im tring to get my wifi card to work and the wiki article says "Note: the current stable madwifi debian package (0.9.2+r1842.20061207-2etch1) isn't compatible with the latest stable kernel versions (2.6.22.1) -- use madwifi-source from Debian testing. |
| 23:31.41 | stevendubois | should i add testing and then do apt-get update? |
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| 23:32.23 | sercik | doesn't seem a secure choice |
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| 23:32.51 | dmilith | !lenny |
| 23:32.52 | dpkg | i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
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| 23:33.09 | jchamm | Any particular reason a new install of Etch (apt-get updated, etc) would have unmet dependencies trying to /usr/bin/apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-gd php5-mysql php5-mcrypt php5-imap php5-tidy php5-cli php-pear ? Help? |
| 23:33.34 | themill | !tell jchamm about bat |
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| 23:34.11 | jchamm | Thanks themill. |
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| 23:35.07 | stevendubois | i dont want to upgrade to lenny, i would like to use a testing package. is that possible? |
| 23:35.39 | jchamm | To clarify: http://paste.debian.net/plain/350 |
| 23:35.45 | themill | stevendubois: not usually. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 23:37.12 | themill | jchamm: can you please pastebin your sources.list too? |
| 23:37.12 | jchamm | Any particular reason a new install of Etch (apt-get updated, etc) would have unmet dependencies trying to /usr/bin/apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-gd php5-mysql php5-mcrypt php5-imap php5-tidy php5-cli php-pear ? http://paste.debian.net/plain/350 Help? |
| 23:37.18 | jchamm | themill: Yes. |
| 23:37.54 | jchamm | http://paste.debian.net/plain/351 |
| 23:38.20 | themill | jchamm: you don't have a mirror in your sources.list, only the line for security updates |
| 23:38.25 | jchamm | Oh. |
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| 23:38.51 | jchamm | Thanks themill. I'll look around for an appropriate repository. It's been awhile since I've debianed. ;) |
| 23:38.59 | themill | !tell jchamm about mirrors |
| 23:39.48 | themill | jchamm: you need a line that looks like: deb http://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 23:40.09 | themill | jchamm: You can just stick your country code in for XX, or look on the mirrors list for a closer mirror. |
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| 23:46.46 | stevendubois | i'm having a minor problem with synaptics | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=25829 |
| 23:48.04 | themill | stevendubois: istr that setting HorizScrollDelta to 0 turns off horizontal scrolling. |
| 23:48.21 | jchamm | Thanks themill! |
| 23:48.30 | themill | np |
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| 23:49.33 | Dantix | hi all, is ti possible to boot from a wireless network adapter? |
| 23:49.44 | Dantix | *it |
| 23:50.12 | dondelelcaro | Dantix: depends on the adapter |
| 23:50.39 | dondelelcaro | (there's nothing intrinsic which keeps you from doing it, though it'd be a rare adapter which actually supported it properly) |
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| 23:51.39 | Dantix | dondelelcaro: do you know someone to tell me, so I can start investigating? |
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| 23:54.13 | Dantix | thanks anyway |
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| 23:59.44 | jkitchen | anyone here ever implemented an ldap based authentication scheme? I'm having some issues figuring out how to do something I want to do :\ |
