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| 00:00.29 | simonrvn | many people have.... |
| 00:00.33 | jkitchen | basically, I have some solaris fileservers, and debian (etch and sarge, but just etch for now) clients who are mounting the solaris machines with nfs. I need idmapd and solaris' mapid running and so they agree on uid/username mappings on both ends. |
| 00:00.40 | simonrvn | ask in #ldap |
| 00:00.45 | jkitchen | ok |
| 00:00.51 | jkitchen | will do, thanks :) |
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| 00:05.46 | SJr|NBook | Hmmmmm I have qpopper installed on my debian machine using inetd, and for some reason it has stopped working. When I try to telnet to port 110, it just dies right away, any ideas? |
| 00:07.00 | cafuego | Your syslog is yor friend |
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| 00:08.20 | SJr|NBook | nothing |
| 00:08.29 | MrProper_ | ... |
| 00:08.43 | SJr|NBook | indeed |
| 00:08.52 | SJr|NBook | Oh I'm a moron |
| 00:08.52 | MrProper_ | what log file did you check? |
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| 00:09.13 | SJr|NBook | the right syslog, I'm connecting via SSH tunnel and the port is closed locally |
| 00:09.57 | SJr|NBook | wierd it's just 110 that's closed now |
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| 00:11.06 | SJr|NBook | theoretically when I run in.qpopper I should get a pop3 console shouldn't I? |
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| 00:12.21 | daedra | I have this external usb NTFS drive that mounts in /media - how do I make it mount writeable in /mnt ? |
| 00:12.37 | Joelito | Hi all: I need to create some crosswords, any clue about what package should I download? |
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| 00:13.26 | SJr|NBook | How do I restart inetd? |
| 00:13.48 | simonrvn | using the init script for it |
| 00:13.59 | SJr|NBook | there doesn't seem to be one |
| 00:14.05 | procdaemon | daedra: you probably want to edit your fstab, make sure to use ntfs-3g if you want to write to it |
| 00:14.07 | SJr|NBook | I thought there was one |
| 00:14.23 | azurite | SJr|NBook: kill -HUP `cat /var/run/inetd.pd` |
| 00:14.44 | daedra | procdaemon: thanks |
| 00:14.47 | simonrvn | i'm sure there is... |
| 00:14.51 | SJr|NBook | and then? |
| 00:14.58 | azurite | SJr|NBook: and thats it .. that restarts inetd |
| 00:15.02 | daedra | procdaemon: oh btw, do you have a sample fstab entry in pastebin? |
| 00:15.06 | SJr|NBook | Oh whoops |
| 00:15.08 | SJr|NBook | I forgot the HUP |
| 00:15.14 | azurite | :( |
| 00:15.16 | Tramp | SJr|NBook: openbsd-inetd |
| 00:15.17 | daedra | i don't know how I'd use ntfs-3g |
| 00:15.22 | azurite | thats important otherwise you just killed inetd |
| 00:15.32 | SJr|NBook | when did it change to openbsd-inetd? |
| 00:15.59 | Nyle | daedra |
| 00:16.05 | Nyle | aedra |
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| 00:16.09 | Tramp | Is this a quiz? Do I get extra points for answering the bounus question? |
| 00:16.15 | simonrvn | just before ethch release |
| 00:16.21 | SJr|NBook | No, I'm just curious |
| 00:16.21 | Nyle | Tramp, sure you do apparantly |
| 00:16.29 | SJr|NBook | I don't think it was always that |
| 00:16.31 | Nyle | simonrvn, *wave* |
| 00:16.34 | procdaemon | daedra: look at /etc/fstab, as for ntfs-3g this might help http://technowizah.com/2006/11/debian-how-to-writing-to-ntfs.html |
| 00:16.43 | simonrvn | etch |
| 00:16.43 | simonrvn | traonly in our minds ;) |
| 00:16.46 | Nyle | !ntfs-3g |
| 00:16.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
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| 00:17.45 | Tramp | thought so |
| 00:18.13 | cafuego | Probably when it also changed to openbsd-netcat |
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| 00:18.37 | ffm | Hello, I have python-mysqld installed, as well as python2.4 and 2.5. For some reason, i'm not able to import the first module in 2.5 but can in 2.4. Can I fix this sans source compiliation? |
| 00:18.38 | SJr|NBook | those openbsd buggers |
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| 00:19.03 | SJr|NBook | ffm you could edit the files directly with a hex editor |
| 00:19.10 | SJr|NBook | and your favorite debugger |
| 00:19.13 | ffm | SJr|NBook: !helpful. |
| 00:19.29 | SJr|NBook | Was I suppose to see something with that? |
| 00:19.30 | SJr|NBook | Hmmm |
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| 00:19.36 | ffm | SJr|NBook: No. |
| 00:19.39 | SJr|NBook | Did you originally compile it from source? |
| 00:19.50 | ffm | SJr|NBook: !helpful == not helpful |
| 00:19.54 | ffm | SJr|NBook: No. |
| 00:19.55 | SJr|NBook | OH I see |
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| 00:20.23 | SJr|NBook | I thought it was like one of those things like !ntfs-3g |
| 00:20.28 | SJr|NBook | That makes sense though |
| 00:20.52 | ffm | strongarm: No, I didn't. |
| 00:21.02 | ffm | s/ strongarm / SJr|NBook / |
| 00:21.15 | SJr|NBook | Did you try updating the packages? |
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| 00:21.27 | ffm | SJr|NBook: Updating? What's that? </sarc> |
| 00:21.51 | SJr|NBook | I'm not a python guy, so I can't really say anything beyond that, you might want to try in #python if there is such a channel |
| 00:21.55 | ffm | SJr|NBook: i'm not the sysop, I need to be able to distil this down to something simplu. |
| 00:22.02 | ffm | SJr|NBook: There is AAMOF. |
| 00:22.09 | SJr|NBook | !aamof |
| 00:22.26 | SJr|NBook | hmmmm |
| 00:22.28 | ffm | SJr|NBook: OTOH, however... |
| 00:22.35 | SJr|NBook | Oh I know that one |
| 00:22.49 | ffm | SJr|NBook: Yes, you do. You also know http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=AAMOF |
| 00:22.50 | SJr|NBook | Hmmmm |
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| 00:23.01 | SJr|NBook | Actually I go right to the source: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=aamof |
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| 00:26.21 | xlotlu | does hwinfo "cache" some sort of data about the attached monitors? |
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| 00:27.18 | DrkShadow | so.. uhm.. "apt-get install kernel-source" gives me an error.. is it supposed to?.. kernel-source doesn't show in apt-cache.. |
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| 00:27.46 | xlotlu | DrkShadow: linux-source |
| 00:28.15 | xlotlu | DrkShadow: more precisely linux-source-2.6.something |
| 00:28.16 | DrkShadow | thanks :-) (oddly, it says that kernel-source is referenced but not found when I try to install it) |
| 00:28.48 | xlotlu | yeah, i think they totally got rid of kernel-* packages at etch |
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| 00:30.13 | stew | ask of 2.6.12 they got renamed kernel-* to linux-* as we now have viable non-linux kenrels |
| 00:30.52 | xlotlu | we do? |
| 00:31.09 | stew | yes, freebsd and hurd |
| 00:31.57 | xlotlu | you said viable :) |
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| 00:32.09 | stew | freebsd is |
| 00:32.13 | xlotlu | dunno about the freebsd state though |
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| 00:34.09 | xlotlu | i clearly remember hwinfo --framebuffer returning a mode for my laptop's 1680x1050.. but now it doesn't |
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| 00:34.26 | DrkShadow | yeah, saw the freebsd 5.4 kernel.. |
| 00:34.38 | DrkShadow | does freebsd still support that? :-) |
| 00:34.50 | xlotlu | and hwinfo --vbe shows contradictory info with a monitor that is not attached anymore, and with a 1680x1050 mode |
| 00:35.53 | xlotlu | DrkShadow: afaik they were to make kfreebsd an official port |
| 00:36.50 | DrkShadow | ya know.. I'd very much like that.. the linux kernel just sucks for me most of the time. Mostly memory management, but its memory management is so bad it will take my whole box down (gentoo, at least) |
| 00:37.01 | cafuego | you have a screen that actually reports the correct resolutions? |
| 00:37.40 | xlotlu | cafuego: that was for me? |
| 00:37.44 | enouf | xlotlu: tried vbetool from dmidecode pkg? |
| 00:37.59 | cafuego | DrkShadow: I suggest perhaps you're doing something wrong, rather then the linux vm susystem sucking for you specifically and not really anyone else <heh> |
| 00:38.05 | cafuego | xlotlu: yah :-) |
| 00:38.16 | enouf | maybe you wanted, hwinfo --monitor |
| 00:38.32 | icesword | my resolution is broken,how to rewrite xorg.conf with xorg.conf.old.0 which i know maybe is right one? |
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| 00:39.17 | xlotlu | enouf: i only did vbetool vbemode get.. that didn't tell me much |
| 00:39.22 | DrkShadow | cafuego: if I start two sessions of Firefox, that is, two different profiles, and open 100 tabs in each, my machine will be completely unusable within 3 days. (That is, so locked solid that I can't get to a TTY; let it sit over night, exact same when I wake up in the morning; ssh doesn't respond, etc.) If I only ever use 1 session, it's fine. |
| 00:39.28 | DrkShadow | it's 100% reproduceable |
| 00:39.32 | enouf | drxx makes a nice backup file with date/time appeneded to name |
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| 00:39.39 | cafuego | DrkShadow: So firefox sucks. |
| 00:39.51 | stew | DrkShadow: yeah, this is a known problem with firefox |
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| 00:40.01 | cafuego | Surely that has nothing to do with the kernel? |
| 00:40.04 | DrkShadow | cafuego: and in sucking exposes quite a significant problem with the kernel. |
| 00:40.05 | enouf | xlotlu: i never had to mess with vbe fortunately |
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| 00:40.22 | DrkShadow | the machine should _NEVER_ completely freeze because of a non-root user app. |
| 00:40.32 | cafuego | DrkShadow: Did you give it a few Gb of swap or something? |
| 00:40.37 | stew | DrkShadow: completely freeze? or get REALLY slow? |
| 00:40.40 | icesword | my resolution is broken,how to rewrite xorg.conf with xorg.conf.old.0 which i know maybe is right one? |
| 00:40.46 | DrkShadow | cafuego: 4GB physical, 2GB swap |
| 00:40.49 | DrkShadow | stew: read up. |
| 00:41.07 | cafuego | DrkShadow: And how quick do you think it can swap out 2GB of stuff? <heh> |
| 00:41.17 | enouf | DrkShadow: adjust your /proc/sys/vm/your overcommit_* settings |
| 00:41.18 | DrkShadow | cafuego: ? |
| 00:41.23 | enouf | gah |
| 00:41.35 | stew | DrkShadow: and magic sys-req can't save it? |
| 00:41.36 | enouf | DrkShadow: adjust your /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_* settings i meant ;-) |
| 00:41.46 | chiasl | any1 know how to test speed for raid? |
| 00:41.55 | enouf | bonnie++ |
| 00:41.57 | stew | chiasl: try bonnie++ |
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| 00:42.06 | DrkShadow | stew: it might be able to sync for me, but I can't get to a console. Magic sysrq has never succeeded in removing X. |
| 00:42.07 | chiasl | thx |
| 00:42.21 | DrkShadow | enouf: I'll definitely look into those settings -- haven't heard of them before. |
| 00:42.22 | stew | DrkShadow: never? |
| 00:42.54 | icesword | my resolution is broken,how to rewrite xorg.conf with xorg.conf.old.0 which i know maybe is right one? |
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| 00:43.10 | cafuego | See also /proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 00:43.14 | DrkShadow | stew: on multiple computers, the magic sysrq has never succeeded in killing X in such a way that I can see the console again. Not one time. |
| 00:43.20 | cafuego | and make sure oom_adj on your sshd is set to -17 |
| 00:43.44 | stew | DrkShadow: then something else is wrong that has nothing to do with memory management |
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| 00:44.17 | DrkShadow | stew: it's memory management. It slows down, and I look, and oh shit.. physical ram is full, so is swap, and within minutes it's locked. |
| 00:44.33 | DrkShadow | network stops responding to pings after a bit. If I don't let it run out of mem, no problem. |
| 00:44.34 | cafuego | it's firefox eating 4GB+ of ram and swap. You might kill it, but th box would STILL need to move 2GB of data back from swap into ram. THis takes AGES and th box is not responsive in the mean time. |
| 00:44.57 | DrkShadow | cafuego: I can't kill it; the box is frozen. |
| 00:45.02 | abrotman | FF sucks .. news at 11 |
| 00:45.05 | DrkShadow | and the HD shows no activity. |
| 00:45.09 | icesword | my resolution is broken,how to rewrite xorg.conf with xorg.conf.old.0 which i know maybe is right one? |
| 00:45.20 | stew | DrkShadow: then i'd test the memory for physical problems with memtest86+ |
| 00:45.21 | enouf | DrkShadow: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt (search page for overcommit) and /Documentation/vm/overcommit-accounting |
| 00:45.21 | cafuego | DrkShadow: Prolly oom-killer did sopme magic thang then. |
| 00:46.09 | cafuego | I've certainly had oddness with 1GB of swap being used and the sysload being 100+, but the box *has* come back |
| 00:46.22 | DrkShadow | cafuego: I have no such processes that I'm aware of; I feel like it should be a kernel thing when malloc fails. Even so... the system should _never_ be frozen by a non-root-user app. |
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| 00:46.37 | abrotman | i doubt it was frozen |
| 00:46.49 | icesword | then how to reconfigure my graphic card? |
| 00:46.54 | stew | DrkShadow: yes, and if it was really frozen, i'd question the hardware as quickly as the software |
| 00:46.59 | dacs | since i changed my ISP i was not able to ssh to my box, after getting usr name and password from them, i was able to set thier modem to bridge mode. i tested today from work and i was able to see my box , login. But when i tried to connect to irc using irssi, i get " !irc.freenode.net *** Found your hostname" and "!irc.freenode.net *** No identd (auth) response" but thats it and after a while it will not respond. and help please or suggestions |
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| 00:47.17 | tonyb486 | WARNING: erroneous pipeline: no element "ffmpegcolorspace" |
| 00:47.21 | kgoetz | will dpkg (the bot) tell me a packages dependancies? |
| 00:47.24 | tonyb486 | What package do I need for that gstreamer plugin |
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| 00:47.33 | abrotman | kgoetz: yes .. but so does apt-cache and packages.debian.org |
| 00:47.35 | stew | kgoetz: /msg dpkg depends packagename |
| 00:47.37 | cafuego | DrkShadow: On a normal box the system would indeed never freeze - even if it runs out of ram. The fact your appears to means there is something else going on. |
| 00:47.38 | DrkShadow | stew: I've done that. Considering it's 100% reproduceable, on demand, on multiple computers with wildly different hardware (notebook vs dual processor server), I've ruled the hardware out. I've tested it, too. |
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| 00:47.59 | kgoetz | abrotman: i'm wondering about a package in sid :) |
| 00:48.02 | kgoetz | stew: thanks |
| 00:48.08 | stew | DrkShadow: how do i reproduce it on my machine? |
| 00:48.11 | cafuego | I assume you've filed a bug report then? :-) |
| 00:48.12 | DrkShadow | The only thing is how X works might cause a bit of a problem -- doesn't it go suid by default, to access video hardware? |
| 00:48.12 | abrotman | kgoetz: packages.debian.org can still do it |
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| 00:48.28 | DrkShadow | stew: make two firefox profiles, open ~100 tabs in each (to valid pages), and give it a couple days. |
| 00:48.39 | stew | DrkShadow: i do that all the time |
| 00:48.43 | DrkShadow | goes back to setting up DRBD |
| 00:48.47 | stew | well i don't use two proviles all the time |
| 00:48.52 | stew | i have to profiles though |
| 00:48.55 | icesword | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.06 | Pawbie | Debian install reported 666 files, and then failed... |
| 00:49.07 | stew | i leave firefox running for weeks at a time and regularly open 100 tabs |
| 00:49.25 | cafuego | Pawbie: It's possessed. |
| 00:49.29 | dacs | Pawbie: because "666" is the devil number thats why |
| 00:49.31 | dacs | lol |
| 00:49.34 | Pawbie | :( |
| 00:49.40 | icesword | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.43 | Pawbie | ...satan pwns my lenovo... |
| 00:50.01 | cafuego | thinks firefox gets wonky at ~20 tabs and thus never opens more. |
| 00:50.12 | cafuego | Oddly, I have no problems with locking up. |
| 00:50.41 | icesword | f |
| 00:50.46 | Pawbie | All this talk about tabs... I can't open more than 4, cos A) I'm paranoid, B) wtf do you do with 20 tabs? |
| 00:50.47 | stew | i think that in february, my ps was still showing firefox as starting in 2007 |
| 00:50.51 | cafuego | !xcfg |
| 00:50.51 | dpkg | [xcfg] on Sarge, run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86'. On Etch, run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'. |
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| 00:51.00 | dacs | since i changed my ISP i was not able to ssh to my box, after getting usr name and password from them, i was able to set thier modem to bridge mode. i tested today from work and i was able to see my box , login. But when i tried to connect to irc using irssi, i get " !irc.freenode.net *** Found your hostname" and "!irc.freenode.net *** No identd (auth) response" but thats it and after a while it will not respond. and help please or suggestions |
| 00:51.06 | cafuego | Pawbie: webmin |
| 00:51.12 | cafuego | runs and hides |
| 00:51.21 | WaffleMatt | my firefox profile is horrible :-p Same one since 0.7 or so, and lots of extensions and hax mean regular crashes, lockups, slowdowns, and huge gobs of ram being used. |
| 00:51.29 | WaffleMatt | I've decided to make a new profile for firefox 3 :-p |
| 00:51.32 | kgoetz | fires at cafuego |
| 00:51.39 | icesword | cafuego, you seems is responding to me,but that one don't let me change my resolution? |
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| 00:51.46 | stew | yeah, i never use extensions |
| 00:51.56 | deepr | hi all |
| 00:51.57 | WaffleMatt | There's some pretty piss poor extensions out there |
| 00:51.58 | deepr | will "screen netstat -c >> list.txt" will work on background? |
| 00:51.59 | Pawbie | cafuego: oic. |
| 00:52.05 | stew | i have gnash running from time to time, but "killall gtk-gnash" is the only application launcher i have in my gui |
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| 00:53.17 | WaffleMatt | icesword, you can choose what resolutions are available with that, and use xrandr (or some other tool) to switch resolutions. |
| 00:53.35 | icesword | :( |
| 00:54.14 | WaffleMatt | If using kde, try "krandrtray". I'm not familiar enough with other desktops to give other hints. |
| 00:55.02 | icesword | it is gnome |
| 00:55.25 | icesword | i want 1024x768 70hz |
| 00:56.01 | icesword | now is 1920x1440,0hz |
| 00:56.25 | stew | i recomment more hz |
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| 00:58.13 | asn | Is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg not making a functional xorg.conf my own problem, or it a known bug? |
| 00:58.27 | icesword | how how how?how to reconfigure my g card?i opened up screen resulition ,there are no choice in there,all buttons are dark,cannot use and choose |
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| 01:00.17 | dacs | can you guys see my typing ...or i ran out of ink here??!!! |
| 01:00.23 | evan2 | is there a package that has the bsd userland (i.e. the bsd equivalent of gnu coreutils)? |
| 01:01.17 | abrotman | asn: define not fuctional ? |
| 01:01.34 | abrotman | evan2: apt-cache search bsd utils ? |
| 01:01.36 | stew | abrotman: sits on the couch all day |
| 01:01.46 | asn | abrotman: it creates a nearly-empty xorg.conf with no signs of the configurations I selected that gives me a "No screens found error message" |
| 01:01.47 | abrotman | stew: what did you do today? :) |
| 01:02.02 | abrotman | asn: someone else was talking about that last week |
| 01:02.03 | WaffleMatt | I kept hitting <esc> :wq in kwrite and being confused as to what was going on. |
| 01:02.18 | abrotman | stew: at least your client didn't keep you on-site until after the sox game started! |
| 01:02.22 | stew | abrotman: wrestled with / vs \ vs \\ vs \\\\ in perl scripts calling audio converters in windows |
| 01:02.28 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:02.33 | icesword | asn, same here,same probleam |
| 01:02.49 | evan2 | abrotman: bsdutils is just a couple of programs |
| 01:02.50 | evan2 | 5 |
| 01:03.02 | abrotman | evan2: are you saying that's not good enough ? |
| 01:03.08 | evan2 | that's not the userland |
| 01:03.11 | stew | abrotman: actually had an audio converter today that would work with //servername/share/path in the source file, but needed \\\\servername\\share\path in the destination file |
| 01:03.20 | asn | icesword: I see |
| 01:03.26 | icesword | plz give a command to to reconfigure my graphic card and rebuild my xorg.conf |
| 01:03.29 | abrotman | stew: that seems .. illogical |
| 01:03.33 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 01:03.33 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about <xmd5sum> if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 01:03.48 | abrotman | evan2: i think you want debian/bsd |
| 01:04.03 | icesword | IT DOESN'T WORK! |
| 01:04.22 | abrotman | icesword: are you running sid? |
| 01:04.28 | evan2 | i want to do some timings on bsd userland programs vs gnu (e.g. bsd sed vs gnu sed) for some log processing scripts i have |
| 01:04.42 | WaffleMatt | Rather random question: Is there a way I can background a process (IE, ctrl-Z) and bring it to foreground somewhere else, say on another VT. |
| 01:04.54 | icesword | abrotman, yaaa,no,it is testing.lenny |
| 01:05.02 | abrotman | icesword: and you've checked the BTS? |
| 01:05.14 | icesword | abrotman, i am sorrry.what is bts |
| 01:05.20 | abrotman | WaffleMatt: retty ? |
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| 01:05.29 | abrotman | stops helping icesword |
| 01:05.44 | WaffleMatt | abrotman, thats exactly what I want. Thanks! |
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| 01:08.26 | mne | hi guys. how can i reset a USB device (disk) ? |
| 01:08.51 | Pawbie | Reset? |
| 01:09.22 | amphi | mne: unplug it and plug it in? |
| 01:09.32 | abrotman | modprobe -r .. modprobe ? |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | Pawbie: reset is a shell builtin iirc |
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| 01:09.48 | mne | well, i would like to unplug but. unfortunately, i don't have access to the server. |
| 01:10.01 | Pawbie | abrotman: er, I meant, what did he mean by reset? ;) |
| 01:10.08 | stew | reset is /usr/bin/reset |
| 01:10.18 | mne | also, i can't remove and reinsert the driver module since the module is used by other devices as well |
| 01:10.30 | Pawbie | mne: umount/mount ? |
| 01:10.36 | mne | it is not mounted |
| 01:11.32 | Pawbie | mne: Call someone nearby to [un]plug ? |
| 01:11.38 | mne | lsusb shows the device. And the kernel log shows some errors. Usually it works if i unplug the device. However, as I said, I currently have no physical access to the machine |
| 01:12.35 | mne | Is there no way to "emulate" unplugging of a removable device ? What about udev ? |
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| 01:25.05 | icesword | abrotman, http://i27.tinypic.com/mlmryc.png |
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| 01:25.13 | icesword | abrotman, that is my debian box |
| 01:25.18 | abrotman | doing what? |
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| 01:25.47 | icesword | abrotman, picture of my debianbox |
| 01:25.50 | mohamed_ | hello all, what is command that i can see running services and in which level ? |
| 01:25.53 | abrotman | yay? |
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| 01:26.13 | icesword | abrotman, yay?what |
| 01:26.21 | abrotman | good for you |
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| 01:26.43 | icesword | abrotman, :( |
| 01:27.12 | icesword | abrotman, you are happy now? |
| 01:27.44 | abrotman | icesword: you need a better hobby .. pissing me off isn't a good one |
| 01:27.52 | nse | Be happy! :) |
| 01:28.13 | icesword | abrotman, what you mean>pissing me off |
| 01:28.19 | amphi | icesword: that's your display? |
| 01:28.23 | abrotman | mohamed_: there isn't a single tool in debian like there is in RH |
| 01:28.24 | icesword | yes |
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| 01:29.36 | mohamed_ | thx abrotman , i can't remember something i sed sometime ago that one can check uncheck a service in runlevel, i try to rememver its name :) |
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| 01:29.50 | abrotman | mohamed_: rcconf or update-rc.d |
| 01:29.57 | beardy | !runlevel |
| 01:29.57 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 01:29.58 | abrotman | mohamed_: there is a GUI tool also |
| 01:30.07 | beardy | !runlevels |
| 01:30.07 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 01:30.19 | mohamed_ | abrotman, i odn't have GUI it is server |
| 01:30.22 | abrotman | beardy: that was great! |
| 01:30.35 | abrotman | mohamed_: i think rcconf was what it was .. now i believe all you have is update-rc.d |
| 01:30.40 | beardy | Fuck it then, either way, runlevels are not cared about, but someone destroyed the factoid. |
| 01:30.48 | nse | everybody got that something out on debian! |
| 01:31.05 | mohamed_ | thx abrotman |
| 01:31.16 | abrotman | mohamed_: you're on etch right ? |
| 01:31.18 | amphi | icesword: what card and driver? |
| 01:31.25 | mohamed_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.35 | abrotman | !info rcconf etch |
| 01:31.41 | dpkg | rcconf: (Debian Runlevel configuration tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.19 (etch), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
| 01:31.46 | abrotman | oh .. it is in etch |
| 01:31.51 | mohamed_ | :) |
| 01:31.56 | beardy | !uptade-rc.d |
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| 01:32.03 | beardy | !update-rc.d |
| 01:32.03 | dpkg | update-rc.d is, like, used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
| 01:32.16 | abrotman | !uptard-beardy |
| 01:32.16 | abrotman | :) |
| 01:32.17 | dacs | how can i stop irssi from highlighting yellow everytime some one type the word "Nick" |
| 01:32.20 | icesword | amphi, it is intel ,i guess |
| 01:32.27 | beardy | Thank you. |
| 01:32.28 | abrotman | dacs: look at the irssi configs |
| 01:32.36 | icesword | amphi, shall i paste my xorg.conf |
| 01:32.55 | dacs | ?? |
| 01:33.10 | amphi | icesword: you guess? |
| 01:33.22 | icesword | k |
| 01:33.31 | abrotman | dacs: ask #irssi |
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| 01:34.40 | dacs | abrotman: i asked irssi and he said he doesn't know |
| 01:34.42 | dacs | :P |
| 01:35.01 | kgoetz | larts dacs :p |
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| 01:35.22 | Ssam` | i still cant shutdown as user |
| 01:35.33 | Ssam` | click i click quit i can only logg out jeez |
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| 01:35.56 | amphi | Ssam`: you can't shutdown from the login screen? |
| 01:36.10 | Ssam` | well the login screen yes |
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| 01:36.24 | Ssam` | but not from here |
| 01:36.31 | Ssam` | how do i change user preferences |
| 01:36.57 | kgoetz | !tell Ssam` about enter |
| 01:37.00 | Ssam` | like is there a graphical users and groups management? |
| 01:37.36 | enouf | each DE has one |
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| 01:37.58 | Ssam` | De? |
| 01:38.32 | enouf | desktop environment |
| 01:38.51 | amphi | Ssam`: logout & shutdown is not good enough? |
| 01:38.52 | abrotman | icesword: do NOT msg me |
| 01:39.34 | Ssam` | well when i click quit as user all i get is the log out option |
| 01:39.38 | icesword | abrotman, k |
| 01:39.41 | Ssam` | shut down isnt there nor is reboot |
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| 01:40.03 | enouf | speaking of which, this sucks, i added myself to a group (in an xterm) and for it to "take", i have to close out the entire DE session, and log back in, closing out xterm isn't enough, nor is sourcing ~/.bash* |
| 01:40.20 | Ssam` | how do you manager users and groups in debian......and their privilages? |
| 01:41.02 | enouf | Ssam`: in kde, in kcontrol you can enable which options are there upon logout |
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| 01:41.27 | enouf | Ssam`: so long as you have no weirdo PM issues |
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| 01:41.44 | Ssam` | well i know there are graphical users and group management options....i seen them in ubuntu but not debian |
| 01:41.50 | enouf | !permissions |
| 01:41.50 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 01:42.24 | Ssam` | by the way i am on XFCE |
| 01:42.28 | enouf | Ssam`: you're blind, or you didn't install it |
| 01:42.32 | Penix | Ssam`: that's why then |
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| 01:42.43 | Penix | Ssam`: the User/Group management thing you're talking about is a Gnome tool |
| 01:42.54 | enouf | kde has one as well |
| 01:42.56 | Ssam` | oh |
| 01:43.01 | Ssam` | but not XFCE |
| 01:43.03 | Pawbie | What's the name of the deb package with the latest nvidia drivers? |
| 01:43.11 | Ssam` | way to be assumptive enouf |
| 01:43.12 | enouf | did you use XFCE on ubuntu? |
| 01:43.18 | Ssam` | Gnome |
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| 01:43.27 | enouf | Ssam`: so, way to be misleading |
| 01:43.35 | enouf | asshole |
| 01:43.37 | Ssam` | Xfce is 500 mb i can download that at 12kb |
| 01:43.47 | procdaemon | lets try to be friends here |
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| 01:44.04 | Penix | procdaemon: quiet, you |
| 01:44.19 | procdaemon | Penix: calm down |
| 01:44.28 | Lewoco | During system startup, what does "Being: Waiting for root file system..." do and why does it take so long to complete? |
| 01:44.33 | Ssam` | lol yea good swear....that will help the assumptions |
| 01:44.35 | Lewoco | Begin* |
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| 01:44.59 | abrotman | is Ssam` using ubuntu or debian? |
| 01:45.07 | Ssam` | debian |
| 01:45.17 | Penix | Ssam`: short answer: man adduser, usermod etc. |
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| 01:45.22 | prolix | why is a sudoers list unacceptable? |
| 01:45.24 | amphi | Ssam`: 'buttumptions' |
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| 01:46.00 | Ssam` | or install Gnome and the control center? |
| 01:46.10 | Penix | obviously |
| 01:46.17 | Ssam` | aight? |
| 01:46.23 | Ssam` | buttumptions? |
| 01:46.23 | Penix | word |
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| 01:47.10 | Ssam` | quite odd.. |
| 01:47.11 | Ssam` | later |
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| 01:47.46 | Penix | it's a perfectly cromulant word |
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| 01:48.12 | Akuw | i have problems to run ooffice |
| 01:48.29 | Penix | that's nice. anything else you'd like to add? |
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| 01:48.48 | Akuw | when i try to run, appear splash screen, but the app no open |
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| 01:49.01 | Penix | Akuw: what errors does it give when run from a terminal? |
| 01:49.25 | Penix | Akuw: and which app are you using? |
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| 01:49.46 | Akuw | Write |
| 01:49.55 | Akuw | i just have to kill |
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| 01:55.22 | DrkShadow | ok, so I need the kernel's .config, and I've installed linux-kernel and linux-kernel-headers.. but all I get is a tarball in /usr/src. Do I need to install something else or do something else to get the .config? |
| 01:56.10 | squisher | DrkShadow, is this for a stock debian kernel? |
| 01:56.15 | DrkShadow | yep. |
| 01:56.26 | squisher | DrkShadow, it should be in /boot/ |
| 01:56.34 | abrotman | DrkShadow: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 01:56.37 | pinto3 | or /proc/config.gz |
| 01:56.45 | DrkShadow | I'm compiling a module |
| 01:56.50 | DrkShadow | ok... /proc. thx :-) |
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| 01:57.11 | squisher | pinto3, my debian kernel doesn't have the /proc entry :) But I do have /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 01:57.33 | pinto3 | ah, i don't do much compiling myself - i just remembered someone pointing that out once :) |
| 01:57.57 | squisher | pinto3, it _can_ be there, that's correct, but the debian kernel doesn't seem to be compiled with that option |
| 01:58.22 | DrkShadow | ah.. |
| 01:58.56 | DrkShadow | I suppose I wanted a piece of a kernel tree with all the patches, .config, and kernel headers generated appropriately ;-) |
| 01:59.38 | squisher | DrkShadow, the .config is where I told you, for the rest I look for linux-tree |
| 01:59.55 | squisher | s/I // |
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| 02:00.43 | DrkShadow | after substitution: 'DrkShadow, the .config is where told you, for the rest I look for linux-tree' -- rule: don't attempt to use regular expression substitution on IRC; it doesn't work and it makes no sense. |
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| 02:01.12 | abrotman | DrkShadow: which module? |
| 02:01.22 | squisher | DrkShadow, I like it, so there ;-) |
| 02:01.48 | enouf | that's no stock debian kernel |
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| 02:02.06 | DrkShadow | abrot: the latest drbd |
| 02:05.07 | Pawbie | yay, X came back. |
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| 02:09.24 | Akuw | i have problems to run ooffice, when i try to run, appear splash screen, but the Write no open |
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| 02:12.26 | Pawbie | hm |
| 02:12.37 | Pawbie | What does, "EDID For IBM Contradicts itself" in Xorg.log mean? |
| 02:13.31 | kgoetz | Akuw: 20 minutes ago you were asked for more information |
| 02:13.38 | kgoetz | 11:19 < Penix> Akuw: what errors does it give when run from a terminal? |
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| 02:13.46 | Akuw | wait |
| 02:13.55 | kgoetz | s/20/15 |
| 02:14.05 | Akuw | no error |
| 02:14.41 | rcbarnes | If it use checkinstall to install, say inkscape, will aptitude eventually install a new inkscape if a higher version becomes available in the repos.? |
| 02:15.16 | shmho | Um, I'm using debian unstable for desktop for several years, and today, system's root partition is full(100%). What is the smart way to solve this? I can move some directories(like /usr or /var or something) or install new distribution or remove some not used debian packages, but I don't know what's good way. |
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| 02:16.05 | squisher | rcbarnes, if inkscape is also in the offical repo, then I think yes |
| 02:16.18 | dclarke | pardon me .. am having a truely miserable day .. I apologize for any outbursts .. and am going to install Debian ether on my new AMD Opteron based machine here |
| 02:16.23 | craigevil | shmho: try apt-get clean |
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| 02:16.36 | dclarke | debian etch is what I meant |
| 02:16.55 | dclarke | so then .. off I go to download and burn ... wish me luck |
| 02:17.03 | shmho | craigevil: ah, thankyou. That's the one of smart way, I think :) |
| 02:17.20 | stew | shmho: moving directories and uninstalling packages are good ideas also |
| 02:17.23 | stew | shmho: you might run debfoster |
| 02:17.24 | rcbarnes | squisher: Cool. Thanks. |
| 02:17.48 | craigevil | shmho: apt-get clean, deborphan, debfoster |
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| 02:18.48 | shmho | stew, craigevil / thankyou. I'll try debfoster and more. |
| 02:19.27 | htmlol | craigevil! it's thaycs of #sidux! :D |
| 02:19.46 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 02:29.39 | mohamed_ | abrotman, i find the command it is sysv-rc-conf |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | not rcconf ? |
| 02:30.25 | mohamed_ | rcconf working but the other give u simple interface to control which runlevel u can enable |
| 02:30.32 | mohamed_ | sysv-rc-conf |
| 02:30.50 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:33.31 | squisher | Has anyone here using mplayer ever noticed an 1-2 seconds delay before the movie starts playing? |
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| 02:35.03 | dondelelcaro | squisher: it buffers for a bit |
| 02:35.16 | dondelelcaro | (the slower your media, the longer it takes) |
| 02:35.28 | squisher | dondelelcaro, sure, but it can't be that long for local hdd, can it? |
| 02:35.41 | dondelelcaro | squisher: 1-2 seconds is hardly any time at all |
| 02:35.43 | squisher | plus, when I CTRL-C when it hangs, it'll start playing immediately :-\ |
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| 02:35.57 | squisher | and it didn't used to do this until a couple of weeks back |
| 02:36.13 | dondelelcaro | squisher: well, strace it you think it's doing diferently. |
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| 02:36.33 | squisher | dondelelcaro, I did already... it hangs on a clone(); waitpid(); --> http://pastebin.com/d551e7f04 |
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| 02:37.14 | dondelelcaro | squisher: add a -f or two |
| 02:37.47 | dondelelcaro | (since it's probably forking to exec some command and waiting for it to return |
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| 02:37.50 | googlah | hello guys. running a critical server, and after 69 days i made a reboot, but now it stops after grub, and let me into (initramfs). cant do nothing. please, any ideas? |
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| 02:38.38 | squisher | dondelelcaro, ah, never used strace -f before... thanks for the tip |
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| 02:39.00 | DrkShadow | how do I update my apt sources? some of them weren't installed cause the network config didn't go properly.. |
| 02:39.10 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:39.10 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 02:39.13 | googlah | /dev/disk/by-uuid/edfc39ca-e61a-47c5-af5a-39d60685c595 does not exist. anything to do? |
| 02:39.41 | DrkShadow | egh, whowever thought of using UUID's to specify boot disks should be shot. |
| 02:40.27 | DrkShadow | ohh, I get it.. |
| 02:40.40 | squisher | dondelelcaro, hmm, so it is looking for /tmp/.ICE-unix/dcop5671-1205371633 and can't find it (see http://pastebin.com/m341c6754 ) |
| 02:40.40 | dondelelcaro | googlah: what is the precise error that it is giving you? |
| 02:40.44 | googlah | yeah, apparently it can't find the damn disk/partitions. so now the system won't start and lots of websites is down |
| 02:41.04 | dondelelcaro | googlah: most likely you need to fix your root= option or similar. |
| 02:41.19 | dondelelcaro | (but without seeing the precise option it's difficult to tell) |
| 02:41.24 | dondelelcaro | s/option/error/ |
| 02:42.06 | googlah | dondelelcaro: /init: /init: 158: /bin/sleep: not found. (100 lines of that) then ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/edfc39ca-e61a-47c5-af5a-39d60685c595 does not exist. |
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| 02:42.26 | googlah | recovery mode is the same. (in grub menu) |
| 02:42.41 | squisher | dondelelcaro, hmm, so dcop is mostly used by kde it seems, but I'm not running kde and the mplayer man page doesn't mention it either |
| 02:43.29 | dondelelcaro | googlah: right; what's the full kernel command line that you've got? |
| 02:43.29 | googlah | it doesn't know where to boot from. can i modify this in some way? |
| 02:43.39 | rcbarnes | To generalize my previous question, will packages installed by dpkg -i $PACKAGE.deb be upgraded when a repo listed in /etc/apt/sources.list gets a newer (higher-version-numbered) version than the one in $PACKAGE.deb? |
| 02:43.42 | dondelelcaro | googlah: if you hit e on the grub entry that is failing, you can see it. |
| 02:43.47 | dondelelcaro | rcbarnes: yes. |
| 02:43.56 | rcbarnes | dondelelcaro: Perfect. Thanks. |
| 02:44.39 | dondelelcaro | (well, in general; if its status is hold, no, and otherwise it'll follow the prority is the complete answer.) |
| 02:45.11 | abrotman | rcbarnes: yes, but you asked about using checkinstall |
| 02:45.42 | rcbarnes | abrotman: True, I was looking for the general answer for dpkg in the second question. :-D |
| 02:45.47 | abrotman | ok |
| 02:46.08 | googlah | dondelelcaro: when i hit e, i can choose from 4 lines. it says: root (hd0,0), kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-14-server root=UUID=edfc39ca-e61a-47c5, then initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6-22-14-server then quiet |
| 02:46.37 | dondelelcaro | googlah: yeah, change the root= option to be /dev/hdwhateveriscorrect |
| 02:46.48 | dondelelcaro | googlah: you'll just hit e on it to edit that line, then b to boot. |
| 02:47.07 | rcbarnes | abrotman: Thanks, though. dondelelcaro: I was assuming that apt is up-to-date, there are no holds on packages, etc. :-D |
| 02:47.14 | googlah | okay, so i cant mess anything else up, than what is already messed up? |
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| 02:47.34 | dondelelcaro | googlah: once you've got the right root= option, fix your /boot/grub/menu.lst; specifically the commented out root= bits near the top. |
| 02:47.40 | dondelelcaro | googlah: right; this is just to get you booting. |
| 02:48.22 | googlah | so, i edit the current root (hd0,0) to like root /dev/hda1 ? |
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| 02:48.46 | googlah | or just /dev/hda1 in one line? |
| 02:49.20 | gaoka | is debian dead? |
| 02:49.24 | squisher | dondelelcaro, just FYI, it was caused by some dead ~/.DCOP_* files that were lying around... I deleted them, now it's back to normal. Thanks again for the strace -f hint :-) |
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| 02:50.22 | gaoka | debian popularity is going down and down. |
| 02:50.31 | abrotman | gaoka: please go elsewhere to troll |
| 02:50.56 | gaoka | this is not a troll, its a cry of desperation. |
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| 02:51.35 | rcbarnes | gaoka: No project with over 800 users in the relevant irc channel is dead. :-D |
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| 02:51.43 | gaoka | is there any good reason left for using debian? |
| 02:52.03 | cafuego | there aren't 800 users on oftc though, which is where the relevant channel is ;-) |
| 02:52.09 | gaoka | rcbarnes: many of them are trolls. |
| 02:52.11 | cafuego | gaoka: no, you should switch to Gentoo. |
| 02:52.33 | gaoka | cafuego: why do u recommend gentoo? |
| 02:52.45 | cafuego | If you went there, you wouldn't be here. |
| 02:52.46 | rcbarnes | cafuego: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. As a previously Gentoo user, I find that response superb. |
| 02:52.59 | gaoka | why not ubuntu? |
| 02:53.04 | cafuego | Whatever. |
| 02:53.14 | googlah | changing the line in grub just gives me error. |
| 02:53.36 | gaoka | in what way does debian stand out from the other distros? |
| 02:53.42 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 02:53.42 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 02:53.52 | dondelelcaro | gaoka: use whatever you want, but distribution advocacy is rather off topic here. |
| 02:54.25 | gaoka | dondelelcaro: this is not distrbution advocacy, its debian advocacy. |
| 02:54.39 | abrotman | gaoka: so install debian and try it .. then you can advocate it |
| 02:54.52 | gaoka | abrotman: i need to be convinced. |
| 02:54.55 | cafuego | gaoka: This is a support channel, not an advocacy channel. |
| 02:54.57 | Pawbie | hm |
| 02:55.07 | dondelelcaro | gaoka: why? try it out and convince yourself |
| 02:55.08 | cafuego | And we're not interested in convincing you. |
| 02:55.09 | Pawbie | I only get sound if I'm making another sound (ie if I hold backspace in terminal). |
| 02:55.19 | gaoka | cafuego: i need moral support before i install debian. |
| 02:55.43 | abrotman | no morals here ... |
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| 02:56.00 | cafuego | gaoka: That's nice. I doubt you'll find it here, though. |
| 02:56.03 | gaoka | no morals in debian? only immorals? |
| 02:56.08 | Pawbie | gaoka: If you install debian, the Ubuntu kids will think you're cool. |
| 02:56.11 | abrotman | gaoka: either install debian or go away |
| 02:56.23 | abrotman | !tell gaoka about d-i |
| 02:56.24 | abrotman | !tell gaoka about ig |
| 02:56.46 | Nyle | it is futile... |
| 02:56.52 | cafuego | feudal? |
| 02:57.03 | Nyle | why not |
| 02:57.30 | Nyle | I thought they were talking about mortals and immortals for a sec when I glanced |
| 02:58.19 | cafuego | yells "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE" and decapitates Nyle |
| 02:58.32 | cafuego | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.40 | Nyle | you wish it were that easy ;) |
| 02:58.55 | gaoka | people here sucks. they are immoral, they can't reason. |
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| 02:59.13 | cafuego | gaoka: And you're still trolling. Go do it elsewhere. |
| 02:59.21 | Pawbie | Any ideas on the sound? alsa modules are loaded, debian etch, thinkpad t61. |
| 02:59.40 | dondelelcaro | Pawbie: that's kind of unusual, because the terminal bell is usually separate from the normal sound output |
| 02:59.49 | Pawbie | gterm |
| 02:59.59 | cafuego | Is there a John Cleese style argument channel here that we can send these guys to? |
| 03:00.10 | abrotman | #trivia ? |
| 03:00.14 | enouf | seen thinkwiki.org? |
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| 03:01.12 | Pawbie | dondelelcaro: If I ding the terminal bell, I get no noise. If I load mpg123 up in the background, I get no sound. If I do both, I can hear the mpg123 output. |
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| 03:01.45 | mhiku | how to configure apt-get to update my system but using my user profile not the system? |
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| 03:02.10 | abrotman | mhiku: why? |
| 03:02.37 | squisher | what's the difference between a user and a system profile? |
| 03:03.04 | Nyle | users shouldn't be allowed to have config to critical system management components through thier $HOME/. |
| 03:03.07 | enouf | what's a profile? |
| 03:03.09 | Nyle | if that is what you mean to do |
| 03:03.35 | mhiku | example: default lookaround is /var/lib/apt/lists/lock, changing that directory to $HOME |
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| 03:03.57 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:04.16 | squisher | I guess he wants to install packages w/o being root |
| 03:04.27 | mhiku | yes, i know its possible |
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| 03:07.50 | mhiku | to be able to configure apt-get and dpkg to use $HOME not the default system. i know its possible, please help me |
| 03:07.57 | blizzow | anyone here know if pydns is available for python2.5? There is a strange backport I've seen that works for sarge, but I'm looking to run it on etch with python 2.5 |
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| 03:08.25 | squisher | mhiku, sorry, don't know |
| 03:08.39 | dryrot | i am running debian. i am in Los Angeles. my tzdata says i am in los angeles. after ntpdate, my time is Pacific (good). i tail daemon.log and mysql seems to think its Eastern Standard Time. what is going on? |
| 03:09.10 | xuser | can office outlook email be imported to a linux mail client? |
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| 03:10.05 | blizzow | xuser: yes, you can use thunderbird to import outlook pst files. |
| 03:10.18 | xuser | dryrot: run tzconfig? |
| 03:10.26 | xuser | blizzow: ah kk |
| 03:10.42 | xuser | I'll see how it goes |
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| 03:12.56 | dryrot | xuser: http://pastebin.com/m404ee15c |
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| 03:15.16 | Cheef-Daniel | hi |
| 03:15.51 | Cheef-Daniel | need a little help with my amavisd-new configuration |
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| 03:18.10 | Cheef-Daniel | the spam mails are moved everytime into the quarantine directory and sometimes into the spamfolder of the maildir. Why? i cant find out whats going wrong here |
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| 03:19.37 | max | good evening |
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| 03:23.29 | Cheef-Daniel | I used this howto and it worked a time fine, but sth must be changed. (http://www.marlow.dk/site.php/tech/postfix) |
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| 03:28.31 | Rusty1 | Cheef-Daniel: prolly get more help at #amavis, #spamassassin, #postfix, #clamav etc |
| 03:28.31 | max | Hey, I've got a question about NetworkManager |
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| 03:28.32 | Cheef-Daniel | thx Rustyl |
| 03:28.58 | max | it finds wireless networks and seems to log onto them (according to the network-manager-kde applet), but it doesn't apply for a dhcp lease |
| 03:30.17 | max | .. I've been doing dhcp renews manually by disabling/enabling the adapter from the kde control center network setting.. I'm so ashamed, what should I be telling my commandline/ |
| 03:30.18 | max | ? |
| 03:31.09 | Rusty1 | max paste the output of iwconfig somewhere |
| 03:32.00 | mhiku | where can i download the latest dpkg and compile it using ./configure and make && make install ?? |
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| 03:35.11 | max | http://pastie.caboo.se/177675 |
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| 03:36.45 | max | rusty, is it a misconfiguration of NetworkManager? |
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| 03:38.01 | stew | mhiku: why would you want to? |
| 03:38.06 | blizzow | how should I upgrade my python to 2.5 in etch? |
| 03:39.08 | stew | blizzow: if you install the python2.5 package, you can run python as "python2.5" and you can use "#!/usr/bin/python2.5" as the shebang for scripts that require 2.5 |
| 03:39.39 | Rusty1 | max now the output of ifconfig (paste) |
| 03:42.47 | blizzow | stew, will it kill anything if I change the /usr/bin/python symbolic link to point to py2.5? |
| 03:43.03 | squisher | blizzow, look at update-alternatives before you do that :) |
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| 03:44.27 | squisher | hmm, python is not managed by update-alternatives, I wonder why |
| 03:44.40 | max | rusty, note, turning the conection on and off with the graphical kde control center has given me a valid ip for this network (it's how I'm chatting to y'all): http://pastie.caboo.se/177681 |
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| 03:45.38 | max | I don't understand why that would give me an adress, while doing ifconfig eth2 down;ifconfig eth2 up does not |
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| 03:45.40 | rcbarnes | If I'm running lenny, should I have "deb [...] etch" lines that mirror each of my "deb [...] lenny" lines, or is it just a false rumor that lenny might be missing packages that were in etch? |
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| 03:47.12 | Rusty1 | max with rare exception, i've had to do exactly what you've done - more often having to manually invoke dhclient ethx |
| 03:47.23 | enouf | ./.kde/share/config/kwifimanagerrc ? |
| 03:48.17 | Filled-Void | Hi all, Ive been wanting to try out Debian for some time. Ive checked out the FAQ and the pages about why you shouldn't be installing Sid and I understand that. But is it the same case for Lenny as well? Should I install Etch? The reason I would prefer to try Lenny is I was hoping I wouldnt have to download alot of packages to be update (Im on an internet connection which has a certain data transfer limit) . Any suggestions would be appreciat |
| 03:48.18 | Filled-Void | ed |
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| 03:48.47 | max | Filled-Void, i'd go with ubuntu then |
| 03:48.55 | squisher | Filled-Void, if you _don't_ want to do too many updates, then I'd highly recommend etch :) |
| 03:49.08 | Lewoco | So the .deb files are in 'pool'. What is the extension for deb-src and where do they reside on mirrors? |
| 03:49.16 | Filled-Void | max, Im on Ubuntu and do to personal reasons I think Id prefer to change :x |
| 03:49.42 | squisher | Filled-Void, etch is stable, which means only security updates AFAIK -- how can it get any better for your bandwidth limit than that? |
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| 03:49.53 | max | Filled-Void, I'm new on deb, changed from ubuntu for personal reasons too :) |
| 03:50.00 | Filled-Void | squisher, Oh ok. Could I update all my packages to the current versions in Etch itself then ? |
| 03:50.04 | rcbarnes | I ask because the iceweasel package in etch is 2.0.0.13, but lenny is 2.0.0.12, which makes me think that the newer etch one doesn't play nice (as evidenced by my constant iceweasel crashes). |
| 03:50.17 | squisher | Filled-Void, I'm not sure what you mean |
| 03:50.28 | max | Filled-Void, I don't think you can do that from ubuntu if that's what you mean |
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| 03:51.22 | Filled-Void | squisher, Example distrowatch shows that Etch has OOo 2.0.4 and I believe the current version is 2.4.0 |
| 03:51.42 | Filled-Void | max, I plan on reinstalling the whole thing :) |
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| 03:52.14 | squisher | Filled-Void, well, that is sometimes not so easy, but I think you should look into backports, they can help sometimes to get a more up-to-date system |
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| 03:53.21 | max | squisher, should I pin the backports repository to have higher priority that etch, and then do a full update |
| 03:53.23 | max | ? |
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| 03:53.35 | Filled-Void | squisher, Thank you I will check that out. I wanted to confirm that I could upgrade packages to current versions before I start installing it. Although the only package I care about to that extent is Ooo . I sort of write alot :| |
| 03:53.48 | max | it feels like it may be foolish to do so |
| 03:54.07 | f00li5h | meow |
| 03:54.14 | Dummies_freelanc | http://rafb.net/p/Zd1UCB40.html |
| 03:54.22 | max | kitty! |
| 03:54.50 | Dummies_freelanc | i have one wrong when i run kernel con badram . .ERROR 15 press key |
| 03:54.57 | Akuw | if i install X alone, i can do nothing, so i need Window Manager right? |
| 03:55.11 | Akuw | i mean if i install Xorg alone |
| 03:55.35 | max | I think if you only have xorg you can still create windows |
| 03:55.38 | f00li5h | =^_^= |
| 03:55.47 | Akuw | how? |
| 03:56.22 | max | xorg has an init file that defines apps to ru when it starts, it just gives you a root window and stuff like xterm is run from that script and put into subwindows of the root |
| 03:57.06 | max | catch is, there are window decorations or anything, you need to interact with the x-server directly to move/resize windows |
| 03:57.44 | enouf | buttons/borders title and status bars |
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| 03:58.19 | max | there aren't any decorations, I meant to say |
| 03:58.25 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Hey! What's up? |
| 03:59.32 | mactimes | Lagbolt: I decided to install debian in a vmware to try the mirroring thing and see if it works. |
| 03:59.58 | max | but you see, Akuw, drawing basic rectangular windows is basically the job of the xserv.. windows managers just tell it what all to draw as far as windows decorations, menus, title bars, etc. |
| 04:00.55 | Lagbolt | hey mactimes |
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| 04:01.08 | twobitsprite | hey |
| 04:01.10 | max | so, hehe, if you're in gentoo and you built xorg, rejoice, you now have a space with a mousecursor, just run xinit |
| 04:01.14 | Lagbolt | yeah? the raid1? |
| 04:01.20 | mactimes | Lagbolt: :-) |
| 04:01.23 | Lagbolt | can you boot to both no prob? |
| 04:01.45 | mactimes | Lagbolt: I'm about to install it following that tutorial you sent me |
| 04:01.47 | twobitsprite | just out of curiousity, would something like Eve Online be the kind of thing that would be put in non-free repos? The software is free to download and they have .deb files... |
| 04:01.57 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Just finished downloading deb cd 1 |
| 04:02.09 | max | twobitsprite, that's not free software |
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| 04:02.24 | Lagbolt | did you use the tutorial in vmware or the installer? |
| 04:02.28 | twobitsprite | max: I thought that was the point of the non-free section? |
| 04:02.37 | max | oo, wait, duh.. |
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| 04:02.51 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: depends on whether we can legally distribute it and whether someone wants to package it |
| 04:03.00 | mactimes | Lagbolt: No, no. You didn't get it. I just installed VMware Server and I'm about to install it following that tutorial to see if it works. |
| 04:03.09 | max | but yeah, nonfree doesn't actally have much great stuff |
| 04:03.22 | Lagbolt | oh oh gotcha |
| 04:03.28 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Didn't have time to test earlier. Had a lot of work today with customers. ^^ |
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| 04:04.05 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro, hmm... not sure... what about doing something like the ms fonts package? where it just downloads a script that fetches the files from microsoft's website? |
| 04:04.06 | Lagbolt | make sure to read the comments . . .there was a problem some people had. you need to make sure you rebuild initramfs |
| 04:04.24 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: that can be done too, but installers are kind of frowned upon |
| 04:04.32 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Do you think I can test it with 512 MB RAM? |
| 04:04.48 | twobitsprite | dondelelcaro, what do you mean? |
| 04:04.57 | Lagbolt | mactimes, sure |
| 04:05.09 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Hummm. I'll give it a try now, then. |
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| 04:05.34 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: any time you have to download software from somewhere you're making inclusion in Debian and the packaging less useful |
| 04:06.05 | twobitsprite | ok, I see what you mean |
| 04:06.05 | dondelelcaro | twobitsprite: I know I personaly wouldn't sponsor such a package ('course, I generally won't sponsor non-free anyway) but someone may find it ok |
| 04:06.20 | pinto3 | does anybody know what getconf uses the -v flag for? i can use constants with it fine but that -v flag bugs me :p |
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| 04:07.46 | pinto3 | i mean i RTFM and checked on the sus guide for an example of using it, but i don't know what the -v argument is supposed to be |
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| 04:08.48 | dondelelcaro | pinto3: I don't think it needs to be set unless what the variables are change in posix versions |
| 04:09.27 | pinto3 | i noticed it works fine for all queries, but i tried with various combinations of numbers and letters with no luck |
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| 04:10.15 | max | you guys, where's a good place to get super nice debian-oriented icons/bootsplashes/kdm themes/panel applets, etc.? |
| 04:10.22 | pinto3 | alright, no biggie, i'll look into it more when i need to |
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| 04:11.27 | dondelelcaro | pinto3: UTSL? |
| 04:12.12 | pinto3 | never seen that one before :) |
| 04:13.38 | pinto3 | oh lol, yeah I should one day |
| 04:14.48 | Rusty1 | http://www.kde-look.org/ http://www.gnome-look.org/ http://netdragon.sourceforge.net/ssuperkaramba.html << max |
| 04:15.13 | max | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.20 | Rusty1 | np |
| 04:15.38 | max | the dhclient ethx trick worked |
| 04:16.11 | Rusty1 | :- |
| 04:16.37 | max | I think I could put it into the networkmanager up/down script |
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| 04:27.27 | Lewoco | Why is is not possible to update dec-src from volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile? |
| 04:27.40 | Lewoco | I can do ordinary 'deb' updates just fine. |
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| 04:29.12 | Lewoco | The files at http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/stable/volatile/main/source/* exist... Is there something else I need to be able to do deb-src updates? |
| 04:30.56 | xlotlu | any idea if set default=saved works with grub2? |
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| 04:32.33 | Lewoco | Is there some way to get aptitude to show the full path to files that it tries to download instead of fairly useless elided versions? |
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| 04:33.12 | andrew[andrboot] | Hi all.. i just added a shiney tv tuner card my debian box.. and now alsa is picking up the tv card as the "sound" (well the sound bit anyway) and not using my onboard sound.. which was working perfectly before hand .. any ideas? i am running etch |
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| 04:36.28 | xlotlu | andrew[andrboot]: you can set in /etc/modprobe.d/something options your_tv_tuner_module index=-2 |
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| 04:37.46 | andrew[andrboot] | ls |
| 04:37.48 | andrew[andrboot] | shite |
| 04:37.55 | xlotlu | andrew[andrboot]: if that tv tuner shouldn't be supposed to ever be the primary "sound card", you could do it right in alsa-base and submit a patch |
| 04:38.02 | andrew[andrboot] | @ xlotlu in "sound" only my onboard is there |
| 04:38.03 | ravenbird | okay, andrew[andrboot] |
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| 04:38.22 | andrew[andrboot] | and i did alsaconf and it only picked up my onboard and "configed" it.. yet when i run alsamixer it picks up the tv tuner' |
| 04:39.27 | andrew[andrboot] | xlotlu: okokas xlotlu |
| 04:39.32 | andrew[andrboot] | so i cat'df my alsab-ase |
| 04:39.34 | andrew[andrboot] | they are all on -2 |
| 04:39.45 | xlotlu | andrew[andrboot]: each sound card gets an index automatically unless specified otherwise. and you can switch between cards by using the "default" entry |
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| 04:40.02 | andrew[andrboot] | hmm |
| 04:40.04 | xlotlu | where "default" normally points to the first soundcard |
| 04:40.30 | andrew[andrboot] | is that in alsa-base? |
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| 04:41.35 | pinto3 | well it seems it had to do with the size of long/pointer/offset objects, i guess if they can vary on a system you'd find out the values of other constants based on them |
| 04:41.51 | pinto3 | for the -v option, checked the source what i understood of it :) |
| 04:41.59 | xlotlu | that's a set of alsa rules that goes in asoundrc: defaults.*.card 0 |
| 04:42.51 | xlotlu | andrew[andrboot]: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base is a set of rules for the kernel to modprobe the kernel modules. look at the end of it and add index -2 for your tuner module |
| 04:44.06 | andrew[andrboot] | xlotlu how do i know wtf my tuner card is |
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| 04:45.03 | xlotlu | andrew[andrboot]: you do lsmod|grep snd and take an educated (wild?) guess |
| 04:45.38 | andrew[andrboot] | woo |
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| 04:47.07 | xlotlu | andrew[andrboot]: somethign to make that list prettier: lsmod | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | grep snd_ | grep -v '_oss' |
| 04:47.13 | Waistless | hey, i've got some kind of strange dependency problem when I try to use the nvidia installer to install my drivers, i've never come across this before... |
| 04:47.44 | Waistless | when I try to install it on 2.6.24, it needs gcc-4.1 and gcc right? |
| 04:48.07 | andrew[andrboot] | GAH |
| 04:48.09 | streuner | no |
| 04:48.09 | andrew[andrboot] | got nothing |
| 04:48.14 | Waistless | gcc-4.1 will install but when I try to install gcc it needs gcc-4.2 which overrides 4.1 |
| 04:48.37 | streuner | Waistless: show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 04:48.49 | Waistless | ok... |
| 04:49.23 | Waistless | but yea.. the nvidia installer won't compile on gcc-4.2 :( |
| 04:50.28 | andrew[andrboot] | i r hopeless.. xlotlu http://pb.udderweb.com/239 can you make sense of that @ all? |
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| 04:51.45 | Waistless | paste.debian.net/362 |
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| 04:51.59 | Waistless | http://paste.debian.net/362 |
| 04:53.11 | streuner | interesting, debian-multimedia on a official mirror? |
| 04:53.24 | streuner | Waistless: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 04:53.43 | streuner | (use only official mirrors) |
| 04:54.32 | Waistless | so you want me to try and remove debian-multimedia? ok... |
| 04:54.58 | streuner | _ONE_ line for unstable is enough |
| 04:54.59 | max | wow, kde4 is pretty looking |
| 04:55.15 | chic1 | hey, does anyone know how to time execution with pipes? |
| 04:56.03 | max | as in see how long it takes to execute something? |
| 04:56.23 | chic1 | yeah, i don't think 'time cmd1 | cmd2' works |
| 04:56.32 | chic1 | or does it? |
| 04:56.39 | slaytanic | time "your | mom" |
| 04:56.43 | cafuego | time (cmd 1 | cmd2) should |
| 04:56.50 | Waistless | streuner: that doesn't solve my problem, gcc still depends on gcc-4.2 |
| 04:56.50 | chic1 | ok that's easy |
| 04:56.55 | chic1 | ty |
| 04:57.09 | Jygzygyzel | my system keeps crashing |
| 04:57.09 | max | cafuego, for some reason that astounds me :D |
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| 04:57.12 | Jygzygyzel | it just freezes |
| 04:57.19 | Jygzygyzel | where can i see the error logs? |
| 04:57.29 | streuner | Waistless: /msg dpkg gcc |
| 04:57.35 | andrew[andrboot] | xlotlu: ? |
| 04:57.36 | chic1 | max, is it because subshell is slower? |
| 04:57.38 | akatsuki | why debian does not recognize my lcd monitor |
| 04:57.42 | akatsuki | ? |
| 04:57.58 | max | jyg, the logs are in /var/log |
| 04:58.23 | Jygzygyzel | max what logs do i want? |
| 04:58.36 | max | jyg, find the log you need, do tail -f /dev/kern.log for example |
| 04:59.36 | max | actually you'll have to put sudo in front of that |
| 05:00.14 | akatsuki | why does debian do not recognize my monitor? |
| 05:00.18 | max | so type "sudo tail -f /var/log/" and then press the tab button to see what possible logs you might look at, and check them out one by one |
| 05:00.20 | akatsuki | im using vga |
| 05:00.51 | streuner | akatsuki: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 05:01.30 | chic1 | actually time "your | mom" doesnt work, but the subshell does |
| 05:02.12 | akatsuki | ii libc6 2.6.1-1ubuntu10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 05:04.47 | streuner | akatsuki: go away |
| 05:05.23 | akatsuki | but ubuntu works with debian u guys cant help me? |
| 05:05.31 | akatsuki | ubuntu guys cant help me |
| 05:05.35 | akatsuki | thats why i come here |
| 05:06.10 | akatsuki | oh sorry i just read the message on the top |
| 05:06.15 | streuner | akatsuki: this channel is for Debian Support only, we only support Debian. Other stuff isnt On-Topic here |
| 05:06.26 | akatsuki | ok sorry |
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| 05:09.33 | max | what are the advantages of using debian sid? |
| 05:09.56 | streuner | lots of headaches and latest software |
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| 05:10.11 | Jygzygyzel | how do i know what i am using? |
| 05:10.17 | streuner | /msg sid faq |
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| 05:10.25 | max | so basically you'd get to see shinier/buggier software on your desktop? |
| 05:10.38 | Jygzygyzel | yea! |
| 05:10.44 | streuner | max: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 05:10.47 | streuner | and read that |
| 05:10.58 | max | I love dpkg, I really should have asked him first :D |
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| 05:11.22 | Jygzygyzel | i remember when debian stable used to have KDE 2.2.2 |
| 05:11.40 | Jygzygyzel | then i went to testing and i got KDE 3.2 |
| 05:11.49 | Jygzygyzel | it was like O.O |
| 05:11.50 | streuner | !info konqueror woody |
| 05:12.11 | Jygzygyzel | !sid faq |
| 05:12.11 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 05:12.12 | max | jyg, I see that kde 4 is in sid and experimental |
| 05:12.33 | max | and I'm interested in giving it a tray |
| 05:12.51 | streuner | Was that potato? |
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| 05:13.07 | streuner | (KDE 2.2.2 in Debian) |
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| 05:13.46 | Jygzygyzel | yea prolly |
| 05:13.51 | streuner | max: if you have to ask about unstable (sid) you shouldn't use experiemental packages |
| 05:14.39 | streuner | experimenal packages are the playground of DDs |
| 05:14.56 | streuner | they could work or just not |
| 05:15.35 | max | eh, I didn't have to ask, I've got a schroot envinronment in a subirectory with debootstrapped experimental on it |
| 05:15.49 | max | I've been trying to get kde4 working on it, but with no luck |
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| 05:17.19 | max | I think sid is for folks who enjoy a challenge, I'm not going to try running it untill I can debug application code and fix bugs |
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| 05:17.34 | Lagbolt | lol max dude it is not that bad |
| 05:17.37 | WormFood | I don't call sid "unusable" for nothing ;) |
| 05:18.05 | WormFood | I'm warning you....be prepared to fix something every time you update it |
| 05:18.11 | Lagbolt | i used sid for years. long as you dont do anything foolish like apt-get distup when it wants to remove stuff you like |
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| 05:18.36 | andrew[andrboot] | hi guys.. im sll having that issue with the sound card.. the lsmod | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | grep snd_ | grep -v '_oss'command doesn't give me much to work with. |
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| 05:19.03 | chickamade | nick chick |
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| 05:19.29 | Lagbolt | arg sid bashers |
| 05:20.41 | streuner | andrew[andrboot]: what kind of problem is that? |
| 05:21.02 | andrew[andrboot] | rofl.. my problem is that alsa is picking up my tv tuner card instead of my onboard sound |
| 05:21.08 | andrew[andrboot] | they are both are listed in the lspci |
| 05:21.10 | WormFood | Lagbolt, I'm not bashing sid...I love sid....if it wasn't for sid, my computing life would be boring |
| 05:21.13 | andrew[andrboot] | http://pb.udderweb.com/239 |
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| 05:21.29 | WormFood | goes to "work" |
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| 05:23.11 | Lagbolt | :) sweet. "love sid" i want that on a t-shirt! i guess if you want to run KDE sid might be more troublesome but i find that i get more of a headache searching through kde configuration menus than i ever would fixing a bug lol |
| 05:23.57 | Lagbolt | so many packages to watch for dependencies and what not. |
| 05:24.19 | andrew[andrboot] | streuner its a problem that is causing my conflict.. because i have no idea how to solve it.. though xlotlu did attempt to help me out |
| 05:25.27 | streuner | lspci -v | grep -i audio |
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| 05:26.29 | xerophyte | does anybody use python here if so how can i add debian /usr/share/python-support directory to python search path permanantenly ? |
| 05:26.30 | Lagbolt | mactimes, hows it going? |
| 05:26.30 | andrew[andrboot] | http://pb.udderweb.com/240 |
| 05:27.08 | cahoot | run asoundconf and make the soundcard default? |
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| 05:27.26 | andrew[andrboot] | yea thats the first thing i found |
| 05:27.29 | andrew[andrboot] | it only picks up my onbard |
| 05:27.33 | andrew[andrboot] | and it stll doesn't change stuff |
| 05:27.56 | max | Lagbolt: I ran away from gnome because there was a config bug that I just couldn't get rid of, and it was making me miserable |
| 05:28.09 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Playing around with RAID setup. |
| 05:28.16 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Will start installation now. |
| 05:28.32 | max | .. but I'm missing it, thinking of acquiring upstream gnome and hoping the problem is fixed |
| 05:28.34 | Lagbolt | max, conflicts blow. what do you run now? |
| 05:28.35 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Now creating file systems. |
| 05:29.12 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Ubuntu setup, as far as I can remember, is very similar to this. :-) |
| 05:29.26 | Lagbolt | lol are using the gui installer? |
| 05:29.30 | max | logbolt, i'm on a few day old install of etch, from the kde install cd.. was coming from ubuntu |
| 05:29.39 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Text based GUI installer. |
| 05:30.00 | andrew[andrboot] | hmm |
| 05:30.03 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 05:30.03 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 05:30.06 | Lagbolt | ah, max how you like etch? it is just getting old!! |
| 05:30.08 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Ubuntu Server has a text-based gui installer too. |
| 05:30.29 | Lagbolt | yeah, i love the text based installer :) |
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| 05:30.54 | Lagbolt | i HATE mice :) if i can minimize the amount of time my hand leaves the keyboard i am happy |
| 05:30.56 | max | lagbolt, I have to say it feels a little aged and doesn't like my hardware too much |
| 05:31.49 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Same here. :-) |
| 05:31.54 | Lagbolt | max, testing is better for hardware. ubuntu is coming from unstable packages so it is def more current and they compile more hardware support |
| 05:32.35 | Lagbolt | max, have you looked at using backports? |
| 05:33.02 | mactimes | Lagbolt: As far as I can see from VMware interface, RAID is working. |
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| 05:33.24 | mactimes | Lagbolt: I can see it writing onto both disks. |
| 05:33.33 | max | it's wierd, superkaramba version in backports is 0.40, and on their website they just triumphantly release 0.3something |
| 05:33.39 | Lagbolt | is it installing base? |
| 05:34.01 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Currently installing core packages |
| 05:34.09 | Lagbolt | max, a release is always older than the "current version" lol |
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| 05:34.17 | Lagbolt | depending on your definition of current |
| 05:34.28 | max | oo, svn action? |
| 05:34.50 | mactimes | Lagbolt: I'll try removing one disk and check its behavior once it is finished. |
| 05:34.53 | Lagbolt | backports is taking newer "unstable" progs and compiling against the etch libs so you can run them |
| 05:36.00 | max | I should talk to dpkg about testing, it seems I might like to try and upgrade |
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| 05:36.37 | streuner | you should better listen what dpkg told you :-) |
| 05:37.02 | streuner | but so far you just ignored the bot... |
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| 05:37.45 | Lagbolt | max :) testing is WAY better than etch in my book |
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| 05:38.42 | Lagbolt | max personally i think putting sources from testing and sid is the way to go :) then you can draw in what you like |
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| 05:42.21 | max | amazing! |
| 05:42.49 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 05:42.50 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 05:43.39 | Dewi | winces. |
| 05:43.58 | Dewi | Worst factoid ever... and yet... people still do need to learn that lesson. |
| 05:44.24 | max | I've got a base debian unstable install in a schroot, and I'm running it now, I've got a kde4 desktop going on on display :1, I'm here in display :0, in kde 3.5 in my etch system :D |
| 05:44.34 | streuner | Some of the best factoids ever, because some people otherwise DO NOT learn |
| 05:44.35 | \amethyst | Dewi: 'bad package management will castrate you' |
| 05:44.40 | Dewi | debian should put a more "official" face on backports |
| 05:45.06 | \amethyst | Dewi: the integration into pdo is a good start |
| 05:45.09 | Dewi | testing is right there on debian.org so I guess it's natural everyone reaches for that when they need *one* package not in stable |
| 05:45.19 | streuner | Dewi: its pretty open already :-) |
| 05:45.32 | Dewi | streuner: ? |
| 05:45.49 | streuner | Dewi: bpo is in pdo already |
| 05:46.12 | Dewi | well, yeah, but in a way that confuses me |
| 05:46.34 | lymeca | Is mod_ssl for Apache2 even in lenny? |
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| 05:46.40 | lymeca | I have mod_gnutls |
| 05:46.45 | Dewi | I normally enter pdo from here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 05:46.48 | Dewi | and backports are not mentioned |
| 05:46.51 | Dewi | or available in the search |
| 05:47.12 | lymeca | I want to encrypt every page and mod_ssl has this directive called sslrequiressl which does it and I don't know if there's a comparable directive for gnutls |
| 05:47.28 | Dewi | (that page is where p.d.o redirects to) |
| 05:47.55 | Lagbolt | lol max way to go |
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| 05:48.17 | Dewi | and the default search criteria is "stable" |
| 05:48.33 | Dewi | which filters out the backports |
| 05:48.54 | Dewi | even though if you're a stable user, backports might be what you were looking for |
| 05:49.05 | Dewi | only the most unrestricted search returns them |
| 05:49.28 | Dewi | and I almost never do them because of the spam |
| 05:49.54 | Dewi | so yeah, I was aware backports were in there now, but they could have been there forever for all I know, I might never have found them! |
| 05:50.58 | streuner | Dewi: tried #debian-www (OFTC) yet? |
| 05:51.21 | Dewi | streuner: didn't know that existed either. :) I'll check it out |
| 05:52.01 | Dewi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.08 | Dewi | (I have an alias for that now) |
| 05:52.10 | Dewi | grins. |
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| 06:04.13 | Lewoco | How do I prevent aptitude from wasting it's time trying to get internationalized versions of package lists such as?: http://127.0.0.1 stable/main Translation-en_AU |
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| 06:14.51 | max | friends, is it really true that gentoo is slowly beginning to fail as a whole? |
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| 06:17.08 | vinboy | hi |
| 06:17.11 | vinboy | i logged in as a normal user |
| 06:17.16 | max | yay |
| 06:17.23 | max | I usually do |
| 06:17.31 | vinboy | after I launched a terminal, i type su to become root |
| 06:17.38 | vinboy | but i can't run kate editor |
| 06:17.53 | vinboy | any idea? |
| 06:17.56 | max | type sudo kate |
| 06:17.57 | nevyn | that's right |
| 06:18.26 | nevyn | vinboy: because root can't connect to "your" xserver |
| 06:18.33 | max | it seems to be something to do with the xserver |
| 06:18.34 | max | ah, |
| 06:18.52 | maligor | yeah, it's to keep the pesky roots away |
| 06:19.41 | Lewoco | Is there any way to prevent apt-cacher from randomly connecting to upstream hosts if it can't find what it's looking for in the specified host? |
| 06:20.08 | Lewoco | If the stuff isn't on the upstream host that I specify I just want it to report an error... |
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| 06:25.05 | max | hmm |
| 06:25.25 | vinboy | nevyn: oh ic.. is there anything i can do about it? |
| 06:25.47 | max | wierd thing, aptitude was all garbled, had to apt-get purge aptitude&&apt-get install aptitude |
| 06:26.10 | max | in general, is there any way to prevent a debian system from getting package corruption/bloat? |
| 06:27.00 | Jyzygzy- | i have a directory full of .tar.gz |
| 06:27.09 | Jyzygzy- | can i open them all at once? |
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| 06:27.34 | max | Jyzygzy-: like kate ./*.tgz ? |
| 06:27.50 | Jyzygzy- | like i mean untar |
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| 06:28.00 | vinboy | how can I allow root to run kate from my normal user account? |
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| 06:28.10 | max | vinboy! |
| 06:28.15 | vinboy | yes? |
| 06:28.52 | max | we told you... you need to run 'sudo kate' and if you don't have sudo you need to apt-get install sudo |
| 06:29.07 | vinboy | oh sorry. i missed that |
| 06:29.08 | sep | vinboy, sudo or sux (become su with X forwarding) or just ssh -X root@localhost |
| 06:29.38 | max | fancy |
| 06:30.07 | lastnode | why use kate anyway? |
| 06:30.12 | lastnode | real men use vim :/ |
| 06:30.21 | maligor | real men use ed |
| 06:30.48 | sep | real men wiggle a magnet over the platters |
| 06:30.54 | maligor | actually to be serious, nano is fine too |
| 06:31.03 | maligor | it's quite simple for the beginner |
| 06:31.16 | lastnode | nano is a good editor |
| 06:31.19 | sep | vim with syntax is just sweet |
| 06:31.24 | max | vim is like "wtf" for the beginning |
| 06:31.28 | lastnode | if your mommy still feeds you dinner |
| 06:31.43 | max | what of it's she's a good cook |
| 06:31.47 | maligor | max, eh... don't go mixing ed with vim |
| 06:31.54 | maligor | ed is "wtf" :P |
| 06:32.15 | civillian | jed is also good |
| 06:32.43 | max | what family of text editors do those come from? |
| 06:32.44 | lastnode | vim is teh bomb. |
| 06:32.48 | lastnode | someday vim will have my babies |
| 06:33.15 | pinto3 | there's over 1000000 lines of help files in my vim doc directory o_0 |
| 06:33.50 | pinto3 | it is my favourite though, as complex as it seems |
| 06:33.52 | lastnode | http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed.msg.html <-- haha |
| 06:34.26 | max | I'd like to set up an emacs environment for coding |
| 06:34.28 | maligor | lastnode, yes, that's what happens if you try it without knowing how to use it :P |
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| 06:35.13 | max | pinto, does vim allow you to run scripts and plugins? |
| 06:35.39 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:35.49 | max | hehe, I'm just learning how to turn on syntax highlighting |
| 06:36.16 | max | vim + syntax highlighting + actually learning some of the text editing commands... that seems like it'd be pretty plush |
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| 06:37.16 | sep | max read /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 06:37.45 | lastnode | max: vim will make you dinner if you ask it right |
| 06:37.47 | max | it would be an option in an rc file wouldn't ot :D |
| 06:39.27 | max | I think if I got into lisp at all I'd better get experienced with emacs |
| 06:39.58 | lastnode | 0.o |
| 06:40.20 | lastnode | if you wanted to get RSI you'd be more interested in emacs |
| 06:40.27 | max | RSI? |
| 06:43.21 | lastnode | max: http://bash.org/?632087 |
| 06:43.49 | lastnode | max: http://bash.org/?229321 |
| 06:44.14 | lastnode | max: http://bash.org/?658085 |
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| 06:44.17 | lastnode | you get the idea :) |
| 06:44.18 | szymon_g | hi |
| 06:44.22 | max | hah |
| 06:44.23 | lastnode | hi szymon_g |
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| 06:45.02 | szymon_g | ekhm, could anyone tell me what kind of package-managing was used in pre-historic debian (before 1998, 2.1 slink)? |
| 06:45.17 | nevyn | vinboy: yes there are several options |
| 06:45.38 | max | lastnode, it amazing how utterly useless and incomprehensible a *nix system seems to an inexperienced person |
| 06:45.55 | Baloo | http://bash.org/?440169 |
| 06:46.01 | dondelelcaro | szymon_g: dpkg and dselect |
| 06:46.09 | nevyn | there is a wrapper called su-to-root that's ugly as sin but supports handling Xauth details via various wrappers that may be availible on your system |
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| 06:46.19 | dondelelcaro | !sux |
| 06:46.19 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as root. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <gksu>. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>. |
| 06:46.21 | andrboot | Hi al.. wonder how the hell i fix this http://pb.udderweb.com/245 |
| 06:46.35 | Baloo | max: Tell that to Steve Jobs. He's been selling NeXT Cubes and OSX boxen running unix to total idiots for decades. |
| 06:47.04 | szymon_g | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 06:47.21 | dondelelcaro | andrboot: you pass the proper card= option for your card when you call modprobe |
| 06:47.32 | andrboot | so dondelelcaro how would i do that :p |
| 06:47.43 | max | baloo, osx for what it is is almost tempting to me, it's so plush... luckily it also makes me want to puke |
| 06:47.53 | dondelelcaro | andrboot: modprobe cx88 card=foonum; FE. |
| 06:48.04 | andrboot | gheh |
| 06:48.08 | max | but I meant the world of the ascii command line |
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| 06:48.24 | Baloo | max: Linux running KDE3.x is MacOS if MacOS made it a little easier to pop the training wheels off. |
| 06:48.29 | andrboot | dondelelcaro i get fatel module cx88 not found |
| 06:48.53 | szymon_g | bye |
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| 06:49.02 | max | baloo, its exactly that seperation from the unixy godness at the center of osx that I despise :D |
| 06:49.29 | dondelelcaro | andrboot: it's cx8xx, actually. |
| 06:49.30 | Baloo | max: I find it painful for extended use outside an academic environment. |
| 06:49.34 | andrboot | heh |
| 06:49.35 | Baloo | Anyrate, sleeptime. |
| 06:49.36 | lastnode | hates supposedly FOSS people who say OSX is teh awesome because darwin is open |
| 06:49.52 | dondelelcaro | OS X isn't on topic here, folks |
| 06:49.53 | andrboot | dondelelcaro still flails |
| 06:49.56 | Jyzygzy- | what is G/C Temp: |
| 06:50.17 | max | yeah, sorry to dwell on it |
| 06:50.44 | dondelelcaro | andrboot: with what error? What version of the kenrel are you running? what dpkg -L linux-image-$(uname -r)|grep cx; output? |
| 06:51.34 | dondelelcaro | andrboot: you may also want to search google with your precise card info; someone may already know of the incantation needed. |
| 06:51.48 | andrboot | yea im sorta getting there |
| 06:51.52 | andrboot | something with modules not being loaded |
| 06:52.16 | andrboot | and having to "recompile" kernels.. which is why i siwtch to debian so i dni't have to :p lol. i take it module assistant works well? |
| 06:52.20 | lastnode | what card is this again? |
| 06:52.35 | andrboot | This is a Leadtek, Winfast DTV2000H |
| 06:52.45 | andrboot | http://pb.udderweb.com/246 |
| 06:52.54 | enouf | modprobe -l | grep cx8 ? |
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| 06:54.31 | andrboot | http://pb.udderweb.com/247 @ encryptz |
| 06:54.33 | andrboot | * enouf |
| 06:54.34 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/Documentation/video4linux/CARDLIST.bttv#L35 |
| 06:55.19 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/Documentation/video4linux/CARDLIST.cx88#L9 <-- better |
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| 06:55.35 | andrboot | enouf what about it? |
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| 06:55.46 | andrboot | i get that output in my dmesg :p |
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| 06:57.27 | dryrot | so my local time is midnight. it says midnight when i do 'date'. it says midnight when i ntpdate. but everything being written to my daemon.log says 3AM. what could be wrong ? |
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| 07:01.26 | pinto3 | maybe it only runs at 3 as a background process |
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| 07:01.55 | yang | Are talk/talkd supposed to work properly ? |
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| 07:03.20 | enouf | $ while read line; do modinfo $line; printf "\n"; done < <(modprobe -l | grep cx8) |
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| 07:06.35 | andrboot | so.... anyone able to help me get http://pb.udderweb.com/245 fixed? seems to have gotten nowere in here :p |
| 07:06.36 | andrboot | l;ol |
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| 07:12.02 | dryrot | there's a ytalk plugin for pidgin |
| 07:12.46 | andrboot | GAH |
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| 07:17.33 | DawnLight | a friend gives me apache web hosting and a shell account in his rented VPS account service. he gives me a subdomain which reads from /home/dawn/public_html as the web root. what is the best way to give write permissions to apache for that directory? |
| 07:19.03 | kgoetz | DawnLight: chgrp it to www-data perhaps |
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| 07:19.27 | DawnLight | kgoetz: i can't do that because i'm not root |
| 07:19.57 | DawnLight | i am thinking of adding www-data to dawn group |
| 07:19.58 | kgoetz | DawnLight: ask your mate to do it for you. |
| 07:19.59 | tengulre11 | how to using awk get a process 's cpu using information with top command? |
| 07:20.25 | kgoetz | tengulre11: what cpu info do you want? top is probably not th best place to get it |
| 07:21.03 | DawnLight | tengulre11: cat /proc/cpuinfo perhaps |
| 07:21.48 | kgoetz | DawnLight: ask to get owndership of your home directory/webroot too. doign stuff without it will be anoying |
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| 07:24.22 | DawnLight | kgoetz: i have a shell account with ownership of those |
| 07:24.42 | kgoetz | DawnLight: then you change it ... |
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| 07:26.13 | extor | I want to clone one of my web servers onto a VMWare machine. Is there a way to check exactly which debian packages are installed on the server so that I can quickly install the exact same .debs on the vmware clone? |
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| 07:27.06 | kgoetz | extor: dpkg -L or dpkg --get-selections |
| 07:27.11 | kgoetz | s/L/l |
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| 07:27.17 | the_sniff | 3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 108 108 024 Pre-fail Always - 187 (Average 183) |
| 07:27.23 | the_sniff | this is from smartctl |
| 07:27.30 | extor | I like dpkg -L better for some reason |
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| 07:27.37 | the_sniff | does this mean my disk is nearly dead? |
| 07:27.56 | extor | Is there any way I can put all those debs into the "to do list" of apt? |
| 07:28.43 | maligor | a bit of awk magic I guess? |
| 07:29.00 | xlotlu | ... | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | xargs echo |
| 07:29.01 | sysadm | I have a fresh install of etch and I was looking for the kernel headers that match the running kernel. dpkg -l '*kernel*' tells me that the heads are 2.6.18-7 but that does not match the kernel. Is there a way to get the correct 2.6.18-6 version ? |
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| 07:29.40 | xlotlu | extor: but if you want to clone it, then clone it... replicate the mbr with sfdisk, and dd the partitions |
| 07:30.05 | sep | sysadm, uname -r and install the headers package that match that |
| 07:30.17 | michal_ | is it possible to use locate instead of find alongside tar if the locate results have spaces in them? |
| 07:30.22 | sysadm | 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
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| 07:30.39 | sysadm | so use dpkg -l '*headers*' to locate the correct headers ? |
| 07:30.54 | extor | considers the complete clone minus /home |
| 07:30.55 | xlotlu | i wonder what grub2's equivalent of savedefault is .. |
| 07:31.00 | extor | thinks the idea is plausible |
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| 07:31.04 | sep | sysadm, no apt-cache search linux-headers |
| 07:31.10 | sysadm | ahhh |
| 07:31.14 | sysadm | didn't know that |
| 07:31.18 | sysadm | one sec |
| 07:31.21 | sep | sysadm, dpkg only list packages you have allready installed |
| 07:31.28 | michal_ | i can't seem to find a way to get tar to parse the results of locate without falling over on spaes |
| 07:31.40 | max | hey, I remember a command for splitting a terminal into upper and lower halves, and running two subterminals in one window |
| 07:31.43 | sep | sysadm, then install your package with aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 07:31.51 | max | or is that just a mode in emacs |
| 07:31.56 | sysadm | nifty |
| 07:32.00 | max | eerr, vim* |
| 07:32.01 | sysadm | found linux-headers-2.6.18-6-amd64 - Header files for Linux 2.6.18 on AMD64 |
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| 07:32.08 | sep | max screen perhaps ? |
| 07:32.24 | sep | sysadm, just install it with aptitude |
| 07:32.34 | xlotlu | extor: you can dd if=/dev/hda0 | nc another.machine port -- and on the other machine a nc -l port | dd of=/dev/hda0 ... and throw in a gzip there too... and what not :) |
| 07:32.36 | sysadm | oops |
| 07:32.52 | sysadm | I used apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 07:33.07 | extor | wonders what happens if the | nc stream gets corrupted along the way |
| 07:33.34 | xlotlu | extor: pipe it through a ssh tunnel :P |
| 07:33.49 | extor | also wonders how on earth you gzip a stream |
| 07:33.49 | sysadm | hrmmm .. there is nothing in /usr/src/linux/include |
| 07:34.10 | sep | sysadm, works too, but aptitude have been recomended as the default package tool since etch release |
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| 07:34.21 | michal_ | locate is useless :/ you can't pipe the results to anything f there are spaces :/ |
| 07:34.22 | the_sniff | Anyone? |
| 07:34.26 | sysadm | sep : thanks .. I'll start using that |
| 07:34.37 | sysadm | sep : found them ! in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 07:35.57 | sysadm | damn .. VMware Workstation will not install ... it claims that "What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-amd64" |
| 07:36.20 | sysadm | that .. isn't good enoug hbecause it does not have a linux subdirectory |
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| 07:36.37 | max | sep, it's really fun to think about the implementations of old programs, and enjoy how amazing they still are |
| 07:37.21 | sep | sysadm, there is a package in debian called vmware-packages that contain a script.. the script can make a .deb out of a vmware tarball |
| 07:37.42 | sysadm | ahhh |
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| 07:37.53 | sysadm | well .. I guess I better kill this process |
| 07:37.59 | sysadm | its driving me nuts |
| 07:38.34 | sysadm | apt-cache search vmware does not agree |
| 07:39.27 | max | hrm |
| 07:39.42 | sep | might be in lenny only |
| 07:40.02 | sysadm | damn |
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| 07:40.32 | sysadm | and the installer from VMware will not install because it can not find the headers in the correct .. flavour to put it mildly |
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| 07:40.58 | sysadm | it claims that the header dir does not contain the file "linux/version.h" as expected |
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| 07:42.21 | sysadm | nevermind .. found the prob |
| 07:42.28 | sep | sysadm, they are in /usr/srv/linux-image-*/include/ |
| 07:42.35 | sysadm | path needed is /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-amd64/include |
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| 07:42.46 | sysadm | yep yep |
| 07:42.52 | sysadm | that makes vmware happy |
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| 07:43.58 | max | hey, would you guys submit bash history logs to a project that aims to datamine an understanding of how people use bash, so that it can create interactive bash/linux lessons for people of varying skill? |
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| 07:45.34 | max | It'd take a lot of doing, but I think it is possible to datamine code and tell what is beautiful code |
| 07:45.34 | sysadm | what ? |
| 07:45.52 | sysadm | max : man .. I have no clue *what* you are saying |
| 07:46.18 | max | alright, should I explain a little of where it's coming from? |
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| 07:47.06 | the_sniff | how can i add a directory to a tar so when i add /var/lib/mysql it would only have "mysql" in it? and not the /var/lib/mysql blah blah? |
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| 07:47.49 | max | the sniff, i think we both need to restructure our questions a little |
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| 07:48.36 | max | ah |
| 07:49.19 | Lewoco | What is the difference between the 'linux-kernel-headers' and 'linux-headers-*' packages? |
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| 07:49.30 | sysadm | sep : just feedback .. all of the kernel modules for vmware built neatly, for NAT, DHCP, vm-monitor Bridged networking and the whole nine yards |
| 07:49.59 | Lewoco | 'linux-headers-*' are numbered in the same fashion as the kernel which leads me to believe that they are also some sort of kernel headers... |
| 07:50.05 | jelly-home | max: but history != code |
| 07:50.16 | the_sniff | max meh? |
| 07:51.39 | jelly-home | the_sniff: (cd /var/lib; tar cf[...options] /path/to/tar mysql) ;-) |
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| 07:52.06 | the_sniff | jelly no other way? |
| 07:52.21 | the_sniff | i scared of stepping in /var/lib last time i killed a server :p |
| 07:52.34 | the_sniff | http://rafb.net/p/wpGBqB97.html |
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| 07:52.49 | doenner | I want to set up my Debian system so I can remotely choose from my files and stream them. Can anyone point me in the right direction, please? |
| 07:53.13 | the_sniff | http://rafb.net/p/wpGBqB97.html this is smartctl output, how is that possible? i get this device doesn't support smart but when i -H it says ok |
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| 07:53.23 | L|NUX | hello can some one tell me how can i remove package by ignoring dependecies ? |
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| 07:54.39 | jelly-home | the_sniff: from TFM: For SATA disks accessed with libata, use "/dev/sd[a-z]" and append "-d ata". |
| 07:54.46 | L|NUX | any one ? |
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| 07:56.20 | raju | why smart card is not detecting in my laptop |
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| 07:57.08 | jelly-home | L|NUX: you can find various --force-* options in dpkg's manual, but a) it will break apt and aptitude unless you satisfy that dependency in some other way, and b) your line begs for question: why, what package are you trying to remove? |
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| 07:57.38 | the_sniff | jelly-home thanks :P |
| 07:57.59 | the_sniff | 7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000f 084 060 030 Pre-fail Always - 235405014 |
| 07:58.01 | the_sniff | how bad is this? lol |
| 07:58.18 | L|NUX | well i have installed apache2 |
| 07:58.24 | L|NUX | btu i could not able to fine apache2.conf |
| 07:58.25 | L|NUX | :( |
| 07:58.26 | jelly-home | wonders how to interpret a thank you not accompanied by a tongue stuck out |
| 07:58.38 | jelly-home | note* |
| 07:58.43 | L|NUX | thats why i am removed apache2.2-common and reinstalling it |
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| 07:58.54 | the_sniff | jelly-home: how bad is what i pasted? |
| 07:58.58 | jelly-home | !tell L|NUX -about confmiss |
| 07:59.17 | tengulre11 | how to sort all cpu percent of httpd? |
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| 08:01.19 | jelly-home | L|NUX: if you don't care or don't have previous configuration, you can purge the package supposed to contain dpkg -S /etc/apache2/apache2.conf and install it again (apache2.2-common). Just removing it won't be enough. |
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| 08:01.59 | maligor | "libx11-xcb1: Depends: libx11-6 but it is not going to be installed" -- "libx11-6 is already the newest version." ... duh? |
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| 08:02.33 | L|NUX | jelly-home : how can i re-install it |
| 08:02.36 | L|NUX | as i am using apt-get |
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| 08:02.44 | max | jelly-home, it just occured to me that bash history would provide a lot of insight into operating sytem usage |
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| 08:03.50 | ronr | how can I let my homedir depend on whether or not a nfs mount is mounted? (if the nfs is mounted, I want /home/users/ronr and if it's not I want /home/ronr) |
| 08:04.18 | jelly-home | L|NUX: just the usual way. |
| 08:04.25 | fotoflo | hey all, has anyone used hypericHQ here? |
| 08:04.29 | L|NUX | got it |
| 08:04.30 | L|NUX | :) |
| 08:04.31 | L|NUX | thanks |
| 08:04.55 | max | so it wouldn't be so much a discovery of beautiful code, as it would be composing a dictionary of frequently used idioms |
| 08:04.55 | the_sniff | i wonder why people always ignore me lol |
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| 08:06.12 | jelly-home | the_sniff: because they cannot, or don't want to, answer your question |
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| 08:07.24 | raju | anyone tell me how to use the smart card in my laptop |
| 08:07.45 | the_sniff | it's not that difficult |
| 08:07.50 | the_sniff | :o |
| 08:07.53 | raju | i saw dmesg there is any info related to smartcard |
| 08:08.14 | jelly-home | the_sniff: how do you KNOW how difficult it is? |
| 08:08.38 | Agiofws | hi guys |
| 08:08.46 | the_sniff | because i KNOW it simply requiers prior knowledge :p |
| 08:08.50 | Agiofws | what codecs should i install in debian to get this to play |
| 08:08.52 | Agiofws | Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/codecs/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
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| 08:10.03 | ganes | tell me how to use the smart card in my laptop |
| 08:10.13 | Cyorxamp | Is there/was there a bug in network-admin where it couldn't save DNS settings to resolv.conf properly? |
| 08:10.14 | the_sniff | jelly-home: thing is i know it's considered bad, but i want to know how bad since -H says "OK" |
| 08:10.37 | jelly-home | the_sniff: well, I for one would't deprive you of acquiring the knowledge of what that particular SMART attribute means |
| 08:11.04 | jelly-home | the_sniff: how do you know it's bad? |
| 08:11.21 | the_sniff | since it's higher than the "WORST" value? lol |
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| 08:11.40 | ronr | some more info regarding my previous question: I got a laptop and when I'm in the office (or home with VPN) I can login using LDAP and get my homedir with a nfs mount, however, I do want some homedir when on the road (I already tried ldap compat for passwd in nsswitch.conf but it keeps getting my homedir from /etc/passwd even when I can access ldap), anyone any idea what I'm doing wrong here? |
| 08:11.48 | the_sniff | and not just higher |
| 08:11.51 | jelly-home | the_sniff: "worst" means "worst ever recorded n this device" |
| 08:11.59 | fotoflo | hey, has anyone used hyperic |
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| 08:12.01 | the_sniff | about a million times higher if |
| 08:12.21 | the_sniff | jelly-home really? i always thought it's the worst recommended |
| 08:12.24 | fotoflo | im curious about it |
| 08:12.26 | the_sniff | and that RAW means the devices :s |
| 08:14.09 | Agiofws | could someone tell me what codecs i shoul get to get this to play on linux |
| 08:14.11 | Agiofws | Win32 LoadLibrary failed to load: avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/codecs/avisynth.dll, /usr/lib/win32/avisynth.dll, /usr/local/lib/win32/avisynth.dll |
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| 08:15.50 | L|NUX | any one have any idea about this |
| 08:15.51 | L|NUX | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 08:15.54 | the_sniff | jelly-home so i'm ok with what it looks? |
| 08:16.05 | jelly-home | the_sniff: to my best knowledge, value = current value; worst = worst ever seen; threshold = the value it below which it shouldn't fall. All the Pre-fail attributes have a threshold of some sort, and smartctl will display FAILING_NOW in the WHEN_FAILED column if the threshold is croseed. "Raw value" doesn't mean anything unless you're the drive manufacturer and know how to parse it. |
| 08:16.26 | jelly-home | the_sniff: I might be very wrong, though. giyf. |
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| 08:16.30 | ronr | dpkg: find avisynth.dll |
| 08:16.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'avisynth.dll' returned no results. |
| 08:16.58 | ronr | Agiofws: appears not to be in debian |
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| 08:17.21 | jelly-home | !w32codecs |
| 08:17.21 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
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| 08:17.32 | the_sniff | jelly-home: oh, ok thank you |
| 08:18.35 | mrak | hello there |
| 08:18.53 | Agiofws | can anyone play this with mplayer ? |
| 08:18.54 | Agiofws | mplayer -playlist http://www.amazon.com/gp/music/wma-pop-up/B000005OMF001003/ref=mu_sam_wma_001_003 |
| 08:19.04 | mrak | i have a question ... where i can build swapfile in directory structure |
| 08:19.23 | mrak | to root or to /var |
| 08:19.35 | Cyorxamp | On network-admin stuff on the DNS tab doesn't save to resolv.conf (DNS Servers, and Search Domains)... it keeps reverting to my default gateways and domain probably over dhcp... I have to keep manually editing resolv.conf... is there a fix for this? |
| 08:19.39 | malifal_ | hello all, when I su - to root and type xterm i get this error "xterm Xt error: Can't open display: %s" and "xterm: DISPLAY is not set" how can i fix this? i've noticed that when i do su without the dash it works normally |
| 08:20.11 | L|NUX | jelly-home : can you help me with thsi |
| 08:20.14 | L|NUX | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 08:20.58 | jelly-home | L|NUX: I can't right now, please ask the whole channel. |
| 08:21.12 | L|NUX | ok |
| 08:21.13 | L|NUX | sir |
| 08:21.14 | L|NUX | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.22 | L|NUX | can some one else help me with this |
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| 08:24.37 | jelly-home | Agiofws: mplayer gets a chunk of html code, tries to play that and fails. The error message referring to a dll is just a red herring. |
| 08:24.50 | Agiofws | ok thanks |
| 08:24.55 | Agiofws | its the server side |
| 08:25.14 | Agiofws | anyway no worries they were just samples i guess |
| 08:25.34 | jelly-home | could be. Or mplayer doesn't ask in the same way MS media player would. |
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| 08:26.27 | jelly-home | if you have a choice of realplayer samples as well, you can try those |
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| 08:31.00 | Meh | Im getting this error anyone have any idea whats causing it or how i can fix it? "Failed binding to 0.0.0.0, port 21: address already in use |
| 08:31.24 | Meh | Thats in regard to proftpd |
| 08:31.59 | sercik | i need a software that print message on screen like a osd. someone can help me? |
| 08:32.35 | BenC` | Meh: that means you already have another software bind to port 21, maybe another instance of proftpd running? |
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| 08:32.58 | crow | try netstat -ant|grep 21 |
| 08:34.03 | Meh | I think i only have one copy running how could i figure out what else it bound to it? |
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| 08:34.43 | Meh | crow: the result was : tcp 0 0 0,0,0,0:21 0,0,0,0:* LISTEN |
| 08:35.00 | grml | Meh: try netstat -antp | grep 21 |
| 08:35.12 | sercik | for example i have a key on my keyboard that disable touchpad and it works but i like to see a message on screen that tells touchpad enable or touchpad disable |
| 08:35.18 | Belzeboss | what's a multiple of the word "index"? |
| 08:35.23 | Belzeboss | indecies? |
| 08:35.27 | Belzeboss | indexes? |
| 08:35.47 | Meh | grml my result was tcp 0 0 0,0,0,0:21 0,0,0,0:* LISTEN |
| 08:35.56 | Penix | sercik: 'hotkeys' offers an OSD. there's another too IIRC |
| 08:36.09 | sercik | hi Penix |
| 08:36.26 | malifal_ | malifal: just install sux, apt-get install sux |
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| 08:36.38 | Belzeboss | дÑÐ°Ñ ÑгÑб нÑÑÑ |
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| 08:36.42 | Belzeboss | life sux, yeah |
| 08:37.07 | shivamib | LOL |
| 08:37.35 | sercik | i have done apt-get install hotkeys and in its dependencies there is libxosd2 |
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| 08:37.41 | Penix | Belzeboss: indices btw |
| 08:37.41 | crow | Meh, kill the daemon that use port 21 and start propftd |
| 08:37.42 | sercik | it seems that you are right |
| 08:37.44 | max | it's perfecly okay if I gank the firefox icon and it it to replace iceweasel's right? |
| 08:38.06 | Meh | Crow: Kill the what?? |
| 08:38.11 | Penix | max: if you mean, will it cause problems if you do, then, no, it won't. go ahead |
| 08:38.15 | sercik | Penix: hotkeys is an alternative to xbindkeys? |
| 08:38.23 | Penix | sercik: *shrug* |
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| 08:38.53 | grml | Meh: where's the process name? try as root: netstat -antp | grep 21 |
| 08:38.59 | andrboot | Hey all.. i am wondering how to get a new kernel then 2.6.18-6-k7 on etch |
| 08:39.00 | Penix | sercik: basic CLI X hotkey config tool. used to use it for years |
| 08:39.08 | crow | netstat -antp |
| 08:39.23 | crow | or lsof -i |
| 08:39.24 | Penix | andrboot: you don't. you'll need a backport |
| 08:39.29 | Penix | andrboot: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 08:39.39 | andrboot | @ Penix safe option? or is dangours lol |
| 08:39.40 | sercik | for now i have configured xbindkeys to use some extra keys onmy keyboard.. how can i switch to hotkeys^ |
| 08:39.41 | ravenbird | andrboot: okay |
| 08:39.51 | Penix | andrboot: well, what other options do you have? etch only have 2.6.18 |
| 08:39.56 | Penix | s/have/has/ |
| 08:40.00 | andrboot | fair enough |
| 08:40.01 | Penix | andrboot: and, yes, it's safe |
| 08:40.06 | andrboot | sweet |
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| 08:42.50 | Meh | ok, i got this: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1980/inetd |
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| 08:43.16 | Penix | there you go then |
| 08:43.33 | Penix | inetd has been configured to listen for ftp connections |
| 08:44.03 | Meh | can i just kill inetd? |
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| 08:44.10 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 08:44.13 | Penix | depends |
| 08:44.19 | Penix | Meh: do you need it for anything else? |
| 08:44.35 | Meh | to be quite honest im not sure :o what else would i need it for? |
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| 08:44.58 | uzbek | i have broken packages, and now when i want to install new programs it is complaining about unmet dependency of some broker packages, how can i solve this problem? |
| 08:45.17 | uzbek | *some broken packages |
| 08:45.18 | the_sniff | how do i add a public key to myself? |
| 08:45.27 | Penix | the_sniff: is this apt related? |
| 08:45.39 | the_sniff | no |
| 08:45.42 | Penix | the_sniff: or do you mean, import someone's public gpg key in to yours? |
| 08:45.44 | the_sniff | i mean where do i put the key |
| 08:45.49 | the_sniff | ssh public key |
| 08:45.52 | Penix | oh |
| 08:46.09 | the_sniff | in my home dir? |
| 08:46.49 | Penix | ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 08:47.21 | uzbek | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 08:47.56 | Penix | uzbek: run apt-get -f install like it tells you then |
| 08:48.07 | Penix | and the broken package(s) should be removed |
| 08:48.30 | uzbek | Penix, but i don't like to install it, i just wonna remove it |
| 08:48.36 | Penix | *sigh* |
| 08:48.38 | Penix | uzbek: just do it |
| 08:48.45 | Penix | uzbek: it doesn't install anything |
| 08:48.47 | andrboot | Penix so.. i have the backports installed.. yet.. to install a new kernel.. how the fsck do i do that :p |
| 08:48.49 | uzbek | Penix, ok |
| 08:48.51 | uzbek | :) |
| 08:48.59 | Penix | andrboot: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 08:49.03 | andrboot | ty |
| 08:49.04 | Penix | andrboot: IIRC there's a 2.6.22 package |
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| 08:49.10 | andrboot | awesome |
| 08:49.17 | andrboot | i didn't think it was that easy but ookas |
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| 08:50.06 | shivamib | super cow powers indeed |
| 08:50.32 | the_sniff | Penix how do i add it to the known hosts? |
| 08:50.50 | andrboot | Penix should i assume if i grab the headers as well it will automatically change the "linux" syslink in the src folder? |
| 08:51.45 | Penix | andrboot: it should, if the existing 2.6.18 headers package is already doing that |
| 08:51.54 | andrboot | kk |
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| 08:52.41 | Penix | the_sniff: are you trying to add a public key to a server to use it for authentication? |
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| 08:53.02 | Penix | the_sniff: man ssh-copy-id |
| 08:53.04 | prolix | oops |
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| 08:53.48 | Meh | Guys how can i bind proftpd to localhost and not to 0.0.0.0 |
| 08:54.04 | Penix | the_sniff: or copy/paste the contents of ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub in to the server's ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 08:54.07 | the_sniff | Penix no, i want to login to the server from another one |
| 08:54.31 | the_sniff | the server im trying to login to has the key |
| 08:54.36 | the_sniff | where do i put the private key? |
| 08:54.58 | Penix | Meh: by configuring proftpd's config file the way you want it. |
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| 08:56.25 | Penix | the_sniff: you leave it in ~/.ssh on the system you're sshing from |
| 08:56.27 | the_sniff | can't i use an existing private key and move it to the server im using to login? |
| 08:56.37 | the_sniff | case it doesn't work |
| 08:56.57 | Penix | still trying to figure out what you're doing. |
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| 08:57.06 | the_sniff | eeeeehhhhh |
| 08:57.11 | Penix | the_sniff: are you ssh'ing to a server that expects a different key from the new client you're connecting from? |
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| 08:57.13 | the_sniff | i want to login to a server from another one |
| 08:57.22 | jaybe | hi all |
| 08:57.30 | the_sniff | it expects a key im using on my desktop |
| 08:57.36 | Penix | the_sniff: your *public* key |
| 08:57.37 | the_sniff | im trying to use the same private key |
| 08:57.57 | the_sniff | the public one is in remote:~/.ssh/authorized_keys2 |
| 08:58.11 | Penix | you don't copy your private key anywhere |
| 08:58.20 | the_sniff | so how do i do it? |
| 08:58.31 | jaybe | I have a daemon which I need to watch and restart if it fails, can anyone suggest an elegant way? |
| 08:58.52 | andrboot | Penix time to see if you were right about "easiness" lol |
| 08:58.54 | shivamib | monit |
| 08:58.58 | rvalles | copy the public key of your source machine into authorized_keys of the destination one |
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| 08:59.03 | Penix | the_sniff: if you want to ssh to a server and do public key authentication (which is what it seems you're trying to do), you configure ssh to allow it, then copy your *public* key to the server |
| 08:59.03 | pngwn | 1 |
| 08:59.31 | Penix | the_sniff: which is something like ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub |
| 08:59.39 | Penix | the_sniff: your private key it meant to remain private |
| 08:59.42 | Penix | s/it/is/ |
| 08:59.47 | the_sniff | this is what i did |
| 08:59.55 | the_sniff | and the public is in "authorized keys" |
| 08:59.55 | Penix | the_sniff: so, what happens? what does it tell you? |
| 08:59.59 | Maliuta | Penix: oh, and make sure it's in the right file (which will depend on the sshd config) |
| 09:00.06 | the_sniff | Permission denied (publickey). |
| 09:00.13 | the_sniff | im trying scp btw |
| 09:00.52 | Penix | the_sniff: and you have the following in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config? |
| 09:00.52 | Penix | PubkeyAuthentication yes |
| 09:00.53 | Penix | AuthorizedKeysFile .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 09:01.07 | Penix | and restarted sshd? |
| 09:01.20 | berzerka | at some point in time, i set the locale settings to en_US.UTF-8. i want to change this to en_US.iso8859-1 now. how can i do this? i think there was something like dpkg-reconfigure locales or such. |
| 09:01.24 | the_sniff | look, keys work from my desktop :E |
| 09:01.31 | Penix | berzerka: you answered your own question |
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| 09:02.17 | berzerka | Penix: hah, i don't believe it. its really locales. i tried locale, and was no longer sure. thanks ;) |
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| 09:02.53 | max | is there a commandline call that can return a list matched by a package search against your apt-get repositories? |
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| 09:03.24 | Maliuta | apt-cache search? |
| 09:03.32 | Penix | with some grep thrown in? |
| 09:03.44 | Penix | or maybe I overestimated ;) |
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| 09:04.09 | Lagbolt | mactimes, you still out there? how things goin |
| 09:04.18 | Maliuta | Penix: grep might be a little advanced for some |
| 09:04.34 | Penix | hence my last statement |
| 09:04.47 | Maliuta | Penix: actually ls might be too advanced for the click monkeys today |
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| 09:05.16 | Maliuta | shakes his head at what passes for "computer literacy" |
| 09:05.17 | Penix | I can haz dirctory l1sting? |
| 09:05.23 | mrglinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.55 | Maliuta | Penix: glob is teH sheznit |
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| 09:06.10 | shivamib | LMAO |
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| 09:08.23 | Penix | mrglinux: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 09:09.13 | Math^ | hello, what do I have to type in to refresh my newly installed fonts? |
| 09:09.34 | Lewoco_ | Where are the scripts that control which modules linux loads at startup? |
| 09:09.48 | Penix | Lewoco_: put the driver name in /etc/modules |
| 09:09.58 | Penix | Lewoco_: or use something like modconf |
| 09:10.00 | Lewoco_ | Penix, The module in question is not listed in that file. |
| 09:10.08 | Penix | Lewoco_: yes? and? |
| 09:10.10 | mrglinux | Penix yes but i get this http://phpfi.com/308529 |
| 09:10.15 | Penix | Lewoco_: add it then if you want it to load at boot |
| 09:10.50 | Penix | mrglinux: read the error |
| 09:10.59 | Lewoco_ | Penix, Well there must be some other script, since one particular module is being loaded at startup and I don't want it to be. |
| 09:11.12 | mrglinux | Penix instal locales? |
| 09:11.17 | Penix | mrglinux: bingo |
| 09:12.00 | Penix | Lewoco_: you can blacklist it |
| 09:12.17 | Penix | Lewoco_: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 09:12.22 | Lewoco_ | Penix, What I would like to have a look at is the scripts that load the modules at startup... |
| 09:12.42 | Meh | Penix: My server is stand alone and inetd is looking at port 21 instead of proftpd, im in the proftpd config file rignt now but what do i change to fix it? |
| 09:13.03 | Penix | Meh: find the line that specifies which interface and/or address to listen on |
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| 09:13.28 | Penix | Meh: there's probably config info in 'man proftpd' |
| 09:13.37 | Penix | Meh: and tell inetd to stop listening on 21 |
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| 09:14.01 | Penix | Meh: it's probably listening on * instead of 127.0.0.1 or localhost |
| 09:15.23 | Penix | Lewoco_: btw, the module-init-tools package and /etc/modprobe.d is probably what you want AFAIK |
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| 09:18.07 | Meh | Penix: Im having trouble finding any numbers at all, or *'s let alone where it would specify which interface and/or address to listen in on... i see DenyFilter \*.*/ if that helps?? |
| 09:18.32 | mrglinux | Penix i select all language.. doesn't have any probelm? |
| 09:19.08 | Penix | mrglinux: well, do you speak all of those languages? are you gonna use them? |
| 09:19.27 | Penix | mrglinux: if the errors you were receiving were about en_US UTF-8 or something, then enable that |
| 09:20.06 | Penix | Meh: Bind 127.0.0.1 |
| 09:20.15 | Penix | Meh: but google would've told you that, of course |
| 09:20.57 | mrglinux | Penix i dont use all but it doesn't have problem to select all? ( it has a choice for all and is esy to select this :P) |
| 09:21.01 | Math^ | already got it "fc-cache -rv" |
| 09:21.06 | Math^ | thnx anyway |
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| 09:21.42 | Penix | ffs. how lazy can you get... |
| 09:22.11 | the_sniff | GOD DAMN SSH |
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| 09:23.00 | mrglinux | Penix what is that? languge for perl? or database? |
| 09:23.10 | Penix | mrglinux: for your whole system |
| 09:24.19 | mrglinux | Penix now can it support all language..is get more space ( for select all)? |
| 09:24.33 | the_sniff | ssh bbb.com -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 09:24.33 | the_sniff | Permission denied (publickey). |
| 09:24.39 | the_sniff | why dont this work :( |
| 09:24.40 | the_sniff | oh wait |
| 09:24.46 | Penix | mrglinux: it's generating extra files, yes |
| 09:25.00 | the_sniff | haaaaahhhh lol i used the wrong user :() |
| 09:25.18 | mrglinux | Penix how much space do u think? |
| 09:25.50 | Penix | mrglinux: just enable the english one ffs. you've just wasted more time and energy asking me about it than you would have by possibly disabling ones you don't need |
| 09:26.24 | mrglinux | Penix ok |
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| 09:27.51 | max | hmm |
| 09:28.39 | zamba | i need a tool to view dwg files |
| 09:28.53 | Lagbolt | dwg eh |
| 09:28.56 | max | autocad files? |
| 09:28.58 | zamba | yeah |
| 09:29.09 | Penix | zamba: google comes up with loads of related info |
| 09:29.10 | Lagbolt | http://lx-viewer.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:29.15 | Penix | like that one |
| 09:29.15 | Lagbolt | yeah |
| 09:29.18 | Lagbolt | GOOOOOOOOOGLE |
| 09:29.24 | Lagbolt | takes like 1.2 seconds |
| 09:29.25 | zamba | Lagbolt: i found that, yeah, but no deb package for it |
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| 09:29.32 | Lagbolt | well you can make a deb package for it |
| 09:29.39 | Lagbolt | compile it |
| 09:29.41 | Lagbolt | and use checkinstall |
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| 09:32.50 | Agiofws | any one suggest a screen capture for linux please ? |
| 09:33.13 | Lagbolt | zamba, not everything is packaged for debian. if it is in debian you can search packages.debian.org or if you want to see if some other repo has it check apt-get.org |
| 09:33.45 | shivamib | print screen key on your keyboard? |
| 09:34.42 | Agiofws | shivamib, .... video scrn capt |
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| 09:35.57 | icesword | with root activated and has password mean good or bad? |
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| 09:37.19 | makdaknife | hi... I've got a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ and I don't want to run a 64-bit system... which kernel should I use to support SMP? |
| 09:37.30 | Lagbolt | makdaknife, can use i686 |
| 09:37.34 | lkthomas | hey guys, is it possible to aggreate two iscsi box into one LUN ? |
| 09:37.41 | makdaknife | Lagbolt: thanks |
| 09:37.43 | Lagbolt | or k7 |
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| 09:37.53 | Lagbolt | are you running stable? |
| 09:38.36 | ktwilight | he's running on lenny |
| 09:38.54 | Lagbolt | i think k7 is gone in lenny, run i686 |
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| 09:38.58 | ktwilight | makdaknife, Linux MX4 2.6.22-3-486 #1 Mon Nov 12 07:53:08 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 09:39.14 | ktwilight | he has a i686 |
| 09:39.15 | makdaknife | ktwilight: thanks ;-) |
| 09:39.22 | ktwilight | ;) |
| 09:39.36 | Jyzygzy- | the tty:s have somekind of screen saver o.o |
| 09:39.39 | makdaknife | Lagbolt: looks like k7 is still there... but will go with i686 anyway |
| 09:39.49 | Jyzygzy- | you don't do anything in them and it stopts seding signal to the monitor |
| 09:40.03 | Jyzygzy- | like if you have TTY1 open and it idles enough |
| 09:40.06 | Jyzygzy- | the picture disaperes |
| 09:40.19 | Jyzygzy- | why is that? |
| 09:40.45 | Lagbolt | oh actually i think k7 is a metapackage now to 686 |
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| 09:42.57 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 09:43.03 | Ace2016 | quick question |
| 09:43.05 | Ace2016 | whats the fastest/easiest way to install debian sid? |
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| 09:44.35 | JonkoPA | hi, i want to make this joke with my friend where I send anonymous e-mails to him. What program can do that? |
| 09:44.45 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.53 | max | is there a tool what helps you keep track of and add to a lot of random notes and references in your reasearch? |
| 09:45.23 | Ace2016 | Agiofws: ksnapshot |
| 09:45.43 | Lagbolt | scrot caps screen well too |
| 09:45.56 | Agiofws | got xvidcap and gvidcap. |
| 09:46.26 | nirupama | I want to start xbindkeys as soon as login |
| 09:46.28 | Ace2016 | oh video capture |
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| 09:46.33 | Lagbolt | oo is gvidcap good? |
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| 09:46.36 | Ace2016 | nirupama: what desktop? kde or gnome? |
| 09:46.39 | Lagbolt | xvidcap dies on me a lot |
| 09:46.43 | nirupama | Ace2016, gnome |
| 09:46.55 | Ace2016 | ah, i use kde, guess i can't help |
| 09:47.02 | nirupama | Ace2016, I added that in a file saved it in /etc/init.d/ |
| 09:47.06 | Ace2016 | it should be easy to find in google |
| 09:47.20 | nirupama | Ace2016, and created a link in /etc/rc2.d/S20x |
| 09:47.34 | nirupama | any body hete |
| 09:47.35 | nirupama | any body here |
| 09:47.39 | Ace2016 | why init.d, it starts too early there |
| 09:48.31 | nirupama | Ace2016, then |
| 09:48.33 | Ace2016 | nirupama: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Autostart_Programs |
| 09:49.01 | nirupama | Ace2016, can i add that to /etc/rc.local |
| 09:49.11 | Ace2016 | why? |
| 09:49.19 | nirupama | Ace2016, what does rc.local do |
| 09:49.31 | nirupama | Ace2016,I find only exit 0 |
| 09:49.58 | nirupama | Ace2016, xbindkeys is just a command that i want to run before login |
| 09:50.02 | Ace2016 | have a read of the runlevels http://www.linux.com/feature/114107 |
| 09:50.08 | Ace2016 | before login? |
| 09:50.12 | nirupama | Ace2016, that will activate my rotation of screen |
| 09:50.17 | Ace2016 | so you want the shortcuts to be available at the login screen? |
| 09:50.30 | Ace2016 | you want them after you login, not before |
| 09:50.54 | nirupama | Ace2016, what ever it may be that command should run and I will be able to use a button |
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| 09:51.45 | Ace2016 | ok just use the method in the gentoo link to make a startup program, when you're at the desktop those buttons will work |
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| 09:52.50 | Snadder | Anyone know why sendmail is hanging on bootup? |
| 09:52.53 | icesword | Ace2016, why should you use sid |
| 09:52.59 | Snadder | Takes alot time to reboot the box because of that |
| 09:53.20 | icesword | what error,snadder |
| 09:53.43 | Snadder | I'm not sure.. someone else booted the box :-\ |
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| 09:53.53 | Ace2016 | icesword: all the latest stuff, its always been stable for me and its easier to compile stuff from svn because sid has the latest deps |
| 09:54.13 | Snadder | I'll ask when I call him next time.. if it hasnt come up in some time. |
| 09:54.30 | JonkoPA | hi, i want to make this joke with my friend where I send anonymous e-mails to him. What program can do that?? |
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| 09:54.49 | Daviey | JonkoPA: telnet |
| 09:54.58 | icesword | lol |
| 09:55.09 | icesword | it is just "neo,wake up" |
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| 09:55.29 | JonkoPA | Daviey, how then? Isn't there a easy to use script? |
| 09:55.44 | Daviey | JonkoPA: yeah, sendmail |
| 09:56.11 | shivamib | lmao |
| 09:56.30 | JonkoPA | goes with the flow |
| 09:56.33 | JonkoPA | lols to |
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| 09:57.04 | shivamib | _focus_, neo |
| 09:57.16 | cedric3 | hi all i want to install wifi but on debian are there any tool graphical to add my wifi and configure thanks |
| 09:57.18 | shivamib | ^^ here, i correct it for you :) |
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| 09:57.56 | icesword | shivamib, |
| 09:58.06 | JonkoPA | Daveman, could you tell me more about this anonymous mail concept? |
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| 09:58.56 | shivamib | senses a moment of *truth* |
| 09:59.06 | cedric3 | nobody have any idea? |
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| 09:59.38 | byte_slave | Hello everyone! |
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| 10:08.15 | Joelio | Is this the right room for Lenny talk? |
| 10:08.33 | grul | if someone says they're using "the default terminal in debian", which terminal would they mean? |
| 10:08.35 | Dewi | Joelio: pretty much |
| 10:08.41 | grul | i'm assuming they did a desktop installation |
| 10:08.52 | shivamib | xterm? |
| 10:08.58 | macx | grul, that's bash |
| 10:09.00 | Dewi | grul: gnometerm? |
| 10:09.07 | Dewi | macx: bash is a shell not a terminal |
| 10:09.17 | grul | my guess would be gnome-terminal, but i really have no idea |
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| 10:09.39 | liable | i doubt you could really say theres a default term |
| 10:09.40 | Joelio | Cool, I've just setup Lenny and have now got my ipw3945 wireless card recognised.. but it's not coming up within network-manager (the icon in the top right system tray).. it's just the wired / vpn connections.. any ideas? |
| 10:09.45 | Dewi | grul: as you say it depends if it's a "desktop" installation and which desktop environment it is |
| 10:10.02 | Dewi | grul: but from memory the desktop task sets up gnome doesn't it? |
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| 10:10.11 | Dewi | so that's probably as default as it gets |
| 10:10.13 | grul | yeah, i thought so |
| 10:10.20 | macx | when you press ctrl-alt-f2, what is the terminal software there |
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| 10:10.30 | ribasushi | yo |
| 10:10.31 | Dewi | macx: "linux" |
| 10:10.42 | macx | seems pretty standard |
| 10:10.45 | Dewi | macx: or "linux text console" |
| 10:10.52 | ribasushi | ntfs-3g problem: if I do `mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sde1 /mnt0` |
| 10:11.00 | shivamib | curious |
| 10:11.01 | ribasushi | I simply get: ntfs-3g-mount: mount failed: Invalid argument |
| 10:11.08 | Dewi | macx: I've never heard anyone name it particularly well :) |
| 10:11.13 | ribasushi | adding -o debug does not change anything |
| 10:11.17 | grul | ribasushi, have you tried -v |
| 10:11.20 | ribasushi | how do I start debugging this? |
| 10:11.35 | ribasushi | grul; same single line output |
| 10:11.38 | grul | :( |
| 10:12.02 | macx | Dewi, it must be some terminal emulator still, probably a process of root though? |
| 10:12.11 | macx | root's* |
| 10:13.04 | Dewi | macx: at a guess I'd say they belong to the kernel |
| 10:13.10 | ribasushi | and the kernel ntfs driver mounts the same partition just fine |
| 10:13.11 | Dewi | macx: but I don't really know |
| 10:13.16 | byte_slave | I just added a new ATA disk to an existing debian etch installation, and the system doesn't boot properly and i can't access tty |
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| 10:13.36 | Dewi | macx: the emulation is much the same as what xterm offers |
| 10:13.49 | Dewi | macx: but no unicode |
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| 10:20.10 | cedric3 | i want to install ipw2200 but i cant are there a graphical tool to configure that? |
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| 10:34.03 | petemc | andy5635353: rsync |
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| 10:35.50 | andy5635353 | thxs |
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| 10:38.10 | nirupama | I have a hp comapq tc4200 |
| 10:38.12 | nirupama | laptop |
| 10:38.26 | Guerin | nice to know |
| 10:38.32 | Guerin | we care, really |
| 10:38.34 | nirupama | and In that Q ,rotation and ink displays are not working |
| 10:38.51 | nirupama | how to make them to work with stylus |
| 10:38.58 | Dewi | blinks. |
| 10:39.33 | Dewi | nirupama: What's Q? |
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| 10:39.56 | Dewi | (please don't tell me I'm solving for Q) |
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| 10:41.31 | _gAri- | hi there, I need to achieve an ssh tunneling through my server to another server, which requires a valid ssh user on my server. I need to achive the tunneling but I would like to restrict the user to even dirlist my server. what would be a working way to make this? |
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| 10:42.37 | nirupama | Dewi, its Q menu |
| 10:42.41 | sep | _gAri-, read about erstricted shell |
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| 10:43.48 | jelly | is there a quick way to allocate a large, non-sparse file on ext3? |
| 10:46.13 | shodges | hey everyone, i've hit a problem with apt, we have an old file server running Debian Sarge, unfortunately the dpkg-db is in a bit of a mess from years of abuse... |
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| 10:47.09 | msn | try rebuilding the db? |
| 10:47.16 | d_anny | what is the reason that causes compilation in debianlinux is much faster compare to using cygwin in windows ? |
| 10:47.17 | shodges | I'm getting unmet dependencies after trying to install vim-full (which seems to have been a mistake!), the error I'm getting is here: http://www.pastebin.org/28519 |
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| 10:48.18 | shodges | msn, how do you rebuild the db? |
| 10:49.07 | msn | d_anny: coz the libraries in cygwin arent native but ported? |
| 10:49.16 | Mantaar | damn. NFS mount broken, but I can't umount: device or resource busy. lsof, ls, fuser stall. can't see anything suspcious in ps ax. Help! |
| 10:49.49 | d_anny | msn: u mean is not original ? |
| 10:50.26 | shivamib | d_anny: yes |
| 10:50.37 | d_anny | msn: so what will it affect ? in term of pocessor speed ,downloading or etc ? |
| 10:52.07 | Lagbolt | Mantaar, more details . . . you have nfs mounted and cant unmout? |
| 10:52.19 | Lagbolt | did the mount go stale? |
| 10:52.36 | Mantaar | Lagbolt: exactly. |
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| 10:52.46 | TuxCrafter | hi guys |
| 10:52.52 | TuxCrafter | i got a bug in sid |
| 10:52.54 | TuxCrafter | totem-xine: Depends: libtotem-plparser10 (>= 2.21.92) but it is not going to be installed |
| 10:52.57 | Mantaar | stale mount, umount can't connect to server, -f doesn't work... |
| 10:53.03 | byte_slave | I just added a new ATA hard disk to an existing debian etch installation, and the system doesn't boot properly and i can't access tty, any ideas about how should i do i get the new harddisk installed and system boots normnally? |
| 10:53.05 | Lagbolt | do you have any xterms or progs open that are browsing that folder or trying to save a file there? |
| 10:53.18 | TuxCrafter | what is the correct way to see if this is already reported |
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| 10:54.30 | Mantaar | Lagbolt: no. That was the first thing I checked. |
| 10:54.43 | JonkoPA | How can I use sendmail to use a remote smtp server when sending e-mails? |
| 10:54.43 | msn | d_anny: sorry i am not the right person to comment i never used cygwin much the only time i ran it i found it slower than my ubuntu |
| 10:54.57 | Mantaar | problem is: there *are* some stale fuser and lsof processes munching on that directory, because I was trying to find out what went there. |
| 10:55.21 | Mantaar | ... and some ls'. But I can't kill them now (usual problem with nfs...) |
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| 10:55.38 | Lagbolt | cant kill them? |
| 10:55.44 | Mantaar | no. |
| 10:55.56 | Lagbolt | what fuser stuff is there? |
| 10:55.56 | Mantaar | kill returns nothing, but the processes stay alive |
| 10:55.57 | msn | Lagbolt: nfs process go into non killable zombies if nfs disconnects |
| 10:56.17 | Lagbolt | ug defnct |
| 10:56.19 | msn | you have to remount the fs to even kill them |
| 10:56.34 | shivamib | kill it with fire |
| 10:57.14 | Mantaar | no fire will help. not even - |
| 10:57.17 | Mantaar | -9 |
| 10:57.19 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 10:57.28 | TuxCrafter | bug solved |
| 10:58.04 | Mantaar | darn.. The only good thing is that I just finished fscking the nfsd-exported file system and can reexport that stuff. |
| 10:58.09 | Lagbolt | Mantaar, how long have lsof stuff been munching? |
| 10:58.12 | Mantaar | ... let's see if it works. |
| 10:58.19 | Mantaar | Lagbolt: about... 10 minutes? |
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| 10:58.33 | Lagbolt | hmm i would think things timeout and die before then. stupid nfs |
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| 10:59.56 | Mantaar | Yeah. There was some talk on kernelTrap that they actually tried to address a few of those issues, but it unfortunately that doesn't seem to have worked... |
| 11:00.01 | Mantaar | at least not in my case. |
| 11:00.05 | macx | friends, help! how can I fix this: http://pastie.caboo.se/177829 |
| 11:00.42 | Lagbolt | cant force unmount? |
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| 11:00.50 | mrAZ | why would somebody want Switching from ipw3945 to iwl3945 ? |
| 11:00.55 | Mantaar | macx: do you have enough space on /var? try df -h /var |
| 11:00.58 | Lagbolt | Mantaar, unmount -f |
| 11:01.01 | Lagbolt | umount that is |
| 11:01.12 | Mantaar | yeah. Was about the first thing I tried ;-) |
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| 11:01.33 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 11:01.41 | Lagbolt | just covering the bases |
| 11:01.43 | shodges | msn, I've tried "sudo dpkg --clear-avail && sudo apt-get update", but it hasn't made a difference, i still get the unmet dependencies |
| 11:01.49 | Mantaar | ok, I'll try to remount that stuff... |
| 11:02.03 | macx | mantar, var is on my main drive and show that I have 9 .8 gigs free |
| 11:02.55 | Mantaar | phew. Problem solved - well. At least the symptom. I still don't have a clue what to do when nfs goes AWOL, but at least I can access my ${HOME} again... :-\ |
| 11:03.17 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 11:03.36 | Lagbolt | your home is nfs mounted? |
| 11:03.41 | Mantaar | macx: damn. Try to apt-get clean? |
| 11:04.16 | Mantaar | Lagbolt: no, but it contained an nfs-mounted dir. that would suffice to let every ls on ${HOME} join the lich king... |
| 11:04.21 | Lagbolt | ah |
| 11:04.22 | Lagbolt | gotcha |
| 11:04.41 | shivamib | ouch! |
| 11:05.16 | Lagbolt | i like to keep mounts out of my home just for that reason :) |
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| 11:05.54 | Mantaar | yeah. Big ouch. I didn't think that thing would go stale since it's on my home network. But the ext3 over at my server showed some inconsistencies and I took it down for fscking it... |
| 11:06.04 | Lagbolt | the genius' here decided that our lab linux boxes needed their home DIR mounted nfs. let me tell you how awesome it is when net fucks up while i am data taking |
| 11:06.42 | Mantaar | hehe. Same at *our* lab, except it's an afs mount, IIRC. Still great when this flaky sun sparc machine goes down the drain... |
| 11:06.56 | Mantaar | not to mention they still use debian sarge... -.- |
| 11:07.16 | Lagbolt | lol SAME sarge bull shit here too |
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| 11:07.52 | Lagbolt | i finally got a data taking user installed that is mounted local, i m lucky my advisor is way over their heads |
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| 11:09.40 | Mantaar | lol. |
| 11:10.19 | Mantaar | but really, that stuff should be fixed at kernel level, if you ask me. IANAKDev, though... |
| 11:10.42 | shivamib | RSEIUB |
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| 11:16.22 | biz | is there some resource where I can get the mkisofs command line used to create the latest stable debian netinst boot CD? |
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| 11:17.51 | sep | biz, ask in #debian-boot on oftc |
| 11:18.20 | shodges | Hey can anyone point me in the right direction for fixing this dependency error? http://www.pastebin.org/28519 |
| 11:19.09 | idimmu | have you tried using -f ? |
| 11:20.13 | shodges | idimmu, yes - i always get the same error unless i try to install "python" - when i get "python depends on python2.3, which has no installable candidate" |
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| 11:22.07 | shodges | whatever it is i've done, it seems to have removed /usr/bin/python from the machine, which was there before :S |
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| 11:23.07 | idimmu | are you running unstable? |
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| 11:26.43 | shodges | idimmu, stable - with some extra repos in the sources.list. It's a shared server so I'm not sure what those repos are doing |
| 11:27.11 | shodges | probably have one purpose: to mess up my day |
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| 11:27.38 | idimmu | heh |
| 11:28.01 | shodges | I managed to pull the deleted packages from the logs: python2.3-iconvcodec, python2.3-numeric, python2.3-subversion, python2.3 |
| 11:31.21 | chtp | hi folks. which company produces really good kvm-ip switches? |
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| 11:32.18 | mquin | chtp: Avocent |
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| 11:32.38 | mquin | we use a HP branded version of them, great little boxes |
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| 11:38.46 | crow | how to start kde? /etc/init.d/kdm start , there is nothing |
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| 11:38.49 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 11:39.03 | Haris1 | I'm getting this in log when running sysctl -a -> Apr 9 16:20:35 sglhrcvs kernel: process `sysctl' is using deprecated sysctl (syscall) net.ipv6.neigh.eth2.base_reachable_time; Use net.ipv6.neigh.eth2.base_reachable_time_ms instead. |
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| 11:41.04 | crow | how to disable ipv6 ? |
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| 11:41.49 | crow | anybody ? |
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| 11:42.14 | joltcan | crow: search for "disable ipv6 debian" on google |
| 11:42.45 | joltcan | crow: or at debian-administration.org |
| 11:44.24 | crow | o, rmmod ipv6 |
| 11:44.49 | Mantaar | crow: also put it in your module blacklist, so it won't get loaded on next bootup |
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| 11:45.41 | crow | thank u, i see |
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| 11:46.40 | Mantaar | *hilarious* I just restarted /etc/init.d/networking on a remote machine using ssh and the connection lived it through. Still up. <3 linux |
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| 11:48.09 | Haris1 | Mantaar: That's nothing new |
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| 11:48.53 | Mantaar | Haris1: it was to me. I was all trembling and shanking because I thought I'd risk losing the remote machine's connectivity and have to walk over to fix it. |
| 11:49.12 | Mantaar | ... just a random expression of joy, nothing serious ;-) |
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| 11:50.49 | Whisper | is it possible to apt-get blowfish support for irssi? |
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| 11:52.08 | crow | Mantaar, I also find the result, connection is alive |
| 11:52.56 | crow | anyone can explain the reason? |
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| 11:53.36 | Lagbolt | what are you doing crow? |
| 11:53.57 | crow | I just restarted /etc/init.d/networking on a remote machine using ssh and the connection lived it through. Still up |
| 11:54.23 | Lagbolt | oh you didnt lose the ssh? |
| 11:54.28 | crow | yes |
| 11:54.38 | crow | but why ? |
| 11:54.54 | Lagbolt | i would wager to guess that is because the speed at which it reaquires the same address is quicker than the time it takes for your ssh to time out |
| 11:55.01 | Lagbolt | but dont quote me on that |
| 11:55.02 | themill | ssh is resilient to short outages providing you don't have some of the "keepalive" options turned on. |
| 11:55.13 | shivamib | thank god! |
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| 11:55.38 | themill | You can often suspend a laptop and then turn it back on a little later and have ssh connections live through that, providing of course that your IP didn't change in the process. |
| 11:56.05 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 11:56.12 | Lagbolt | that is pretty sweet |
| 11:56.13 | crow | also sftp ? |
| 11:56.19 | themill | of course |
| 11:56.22 | makdaknife | themill: crikey... I've never seen that sort of persistence |
| 11:57.03 | crow | if I just copy files by scp and then restart network, what happened? |
| 11:57.06 | Mantaar | makdaknife: you have to make sure that *you* (the client machine) don't change IPs either... |
| 11:57.09 | themill | makdaknife: it depends on how long you suspend for and if ssh notices that the connection was broken. |
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| 11:58.37 | crow | when you copy file using scp , another user restart network, is scp broken ? |
| 11:58.51 | themill | makdaknife: if you have short ServerAliveInterval or TCPKeepAlive turned on then it might notice that you're gone away. |
| 11:58.52 | Mantaar | crow: try it ;-) |
| 11:58.59 | themill | crow: shouldn't do. |
| 11:59.37 | themill | crow: as long as IP addresses don't change and networking modules are removed then reinserted in the kernel. |
| 12:00.04 | makdaknife | themill: ah... generally I have TCPKeepAlive enabled... I'll try disabling... interesting |
| 12:01.20 | themill | makdaknife: You can still get it to work with that enabled (it's the default)... I've seen it a few times where I've been ssh'd onto mrs themill's laptop and she suspended it on me. After waking it back up and I could just continue ;) |
| 12:01.30 | streuner | What's the default IM in GNOME? |
| 12:02.01 | crow | yes, scp will be still work after network restart |
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| 12:04.16 | Mantaar | streuner: pidgin. |
| 12:04.34 | flyingparchment | how do i prevent slapd from starting automatically? (i removed the S script, but i just upgraded the package, and the postinst script restarted it) |
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| 12:05.22 | themill | flyingparchment: rename the S script to a K script and updates won't reinstall the script. Or use update-rc.d to change it. |
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| 12:05.37 | flyingparchment | themill: that's what i did. but when i upgraded the package, the postinst script still restarted it |
| 12:05.43 | themill | :( |
| 12:06.19 | themill | flyingparchment: (you said "removed" not "renamed" or "moved" so I assumed that you had fallen into that trap) |
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| 12:08.33 | streuner | Mantaar: are you able to verify this via a tasklist or such? |
| 12:09.44 | shodges | i think i've worked out my apt woes, at some point apt wanted to upgrade python. so it removed the old version and attempted to install the new one... |
| 12:10.15 | shodges | the new one wanted to stop mailman first, so it tries, but mailmanctl needs python to work... |
| 12:11.04 | shodges | obv /usr/bin/python was missing, so mailmanctl fails, and the whole process fails half way through :S |
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| 12:11.49 | shodges | so i need to work out some way to install python, but ignore the rule about stopping mailman... any ideas anyone? |
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| 12:13.10 | shodges | this is the rule that fails: "Stopping Mailman master qrunner: mailmanctl/etc/init.d/mailman: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl: /usr/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory" |
| 12:13.10 | streuner | Mantaar: apt-cache show gnome-fifth-toe, Depends: pidgin first item, so it should be default |
| 12:13.13 | cder | stew: its still working |
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| 12:14.09 | themill | shodges: are you running etch or sarge? cat /etc/debian_version ; dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 12:15.13 | shodges | well sources.list claims sarge... your command states "4.0" |
| 12:15.17 | cder | stew: it it worth amending the /etc/hosts file with static ip address then something like serv1. example.com as the name |
| 12:15.34 | themill | shodges: can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 12:15.42 | shodges | themill, sure, one sec |
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| 12:16.55 | shodges | themill, http://www.pastebin.org/28533 |
| 12:17.38 | themill | shodges: you have "stable" in there but etch is stable not sarge. (You also have "sarge" in one line). |
| 12:17.45 | themill | shodges: Is this a box that's been around for a while? |
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| 12:18.28 | themill | shodges: And have you need doing apt-get update; apt-get upgrade on it to pick up security updates from time to time? |
| 12:18.40 | shodges | themill, sorry yeah your right. the box is quite old, about 2 years maybe... |
| 12:18.44 | grub_ | where do i store new fonts? |
| 12:19.13 | shodges | it's also shared across multiple admins, so lots of system changes have gone on over time |
| 12:19.24 | themill | shodges: then you probably have a mixture of sarge and etch at present. The only way out of your mess is going to be to upgrade it to etch properly. |
| 12:19.32 | themill | ravenbird: sarge->etch |
| 12:19.32 | ravenbird | (Sarge too old for you already? Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch', and replace the security.debian.org line by a testing security line (ask me about testing security). Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then subscribe to d-d-a (/msg ravenbird d-d-a) |
| 12:19.41 | shivamib | it sucks when that happens |
| 12:19.53 | themill | bah... that factoids old. |
| 12:19.54 | Mantaar | streuner: no, I'm not using GNOME, so I just think that this is what distros mostly put into GNOME to provide IM functionality |
| 12:20.06 | azeem | ravenbird isn't maintained as much as dpkg I guess |
| 12:20.06 | ravenbird | azeem: I give up, what is it? |
| 12:20.42 | themill | azeem: no, it's not. simonrvn says that it has ldap factoids in there that are only in ravenbird but not in dpkg which makes it hard to sync. |
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| 12:20.53 | streuner | themill: aptitude is a backup of dpkg |
| 12:20.55 | themill | shodges: sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support for sarge ends on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). |
| 12:21.04 | themill | streuner: except that it's not online either |
| 12:21.08 | streuner | themill: ravenbird isnt, IIRC |
| 12:21.11 | streuner | AFAIK |
| 12:21.25 | streuner | dpkg, hi |
| 12:21.27 | streuner | hm |
| 12:21.37 | shivamib | !bot |
| 12:21.38 | themill | simonrvn: any chance that we can come up with a way of syncing up ravenbird's db? |
| 12:21.43 | streuner | well, we need to do it by hand then |
| 12:21.43 | cder | stew: |
| 12:21.43 | cder | then run echo server1.example.com > /etc/hostname |
| 12:22.13 | grub_ | where do i store new fonts? anyone knows? |
| 12:22.20 | cder | -F /etc/hostname --would this be ok? |
| 12:22.33 | streuner | there is sussudio's bot, which is mostly up-to-date too |
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| 12:23.01 | themill | grub_: dpkg says: To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
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| 12:23.17 | shodges | themill, ok thanks. What I'll probably do is try and fix what i've broken for now - even if it means compiling python manually - and plan for a clean reinstall of the server over the weekend... |
| 12:23.50 | shodges | i think the random repos have installed some dodgy packages, and upgrading to etch will probably blow up because of them |
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| 12:23.55 | grub_ | i see ty themill |
| 12:24.10 | themill | shodges: yes, that can also be a problem. |
| 12:24.16 | themill | grub_: np |
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| 12:28.10 | cedric3 | hi i want to use the wifi but it not work i use ipw2200 driver i install the pakage and i download the firmware i can see the list of ssid but i can't connected |
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| 12:28.46 | shodges | themill, thanks a lot for your help, i think i'll be ok from here on |
| 12:29.10 | Haris1 | hmm |
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| 12:32.43 | cedric3 | nobody can help me ? |
| 12:33.18 | themill | shodges: no worries. Have fun :) |
| 12:34.05 | themill | cedric3: can you pastebin the output of "iwconfig" and "ifconfig -a" for us? |
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| 12:42.24 | rocketmagnet | hi |
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| 12:42.33 | grub_ | hi |
| 12:42.52 | Legality | hey, when creating a new raid-array with mdadm, does the partitions involved need to be *not* mounted? |
| 12:43.28 | rocketmagnet | i have a strange problem, when i install the nvidia drivers for my geforce i can run x with full hardware support, but on the next start the settings seems to be broken - because x11 gives me an IO error =( |
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| 12:43.45 | rocketmagnet | when i install the driver again it's working |
| 12:44.00 | rocketmagnet | but it's more than stupid to install the driver everytime on startup... |
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| 12:44.13 | rocketmagnet | has someone an idea ? |
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| 12:46.04 | Lagbolt | rocketmagnet, still here? |
| 12:46.34 | shivamib | lol |
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| 12:47.07 | rocketmagnet | Lagbolt: yes |
| 12:48.22 | rocketmagnet | Lagbolt: the "funny" thing is it works after installing, but as soon as i restart i get an IO error at startup |
| 12:48.25 | Lagbolt | so you have to install X each time you start X |
| 12:48.29 | Lagbolt | hmm |
| 12:48.33 | Lagbolt | how did yo install the drivers? |
| 12:48.36 | rocketmagnet | the nvidia driver |
| 12:48.39 | Lagbolt | from nvidia page or debian way |
| 12:48.43 | rocketmagnet | nvidia |
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| 12:48.53 | cedric3 | themill : i stop the service hotplug and use ifup eth1 and now it work but it very strange no ? |
| 12:48.59 | Lagbolt | why not the debian way? :) |
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| 12:49.05 | rocketmagnet | x also starts with 1280x1024 and 85 hz |
| 12:49.12 | rocketmagnet | i need full 3d support |
| 12:49.28 | Lagbolt | what driver did you install . . . version |
| 12:49.36 | rocketmagnet | 196.12 i think |
| 12:49.48 | Lagbolt | and 169.09 is no good? |
| 12:49.54 | rocketmagnet | yes |
| 12:49.55 | themill | cedric3: You either need to use a network connection manager like network-manager-kde (or network-manager-gnome) or, if you have them installed, you need to disable them by configuring the device in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:50.02 | rocketmagnet | why using older one ? |
| 12:50.06 | Lagbolt | yes it is no good? |
| 12:50.10 | Lagbolt | does it support your card? |
| 12:50.27 | themill | cedric3: I would guess that hotplug was sending plugin notifications to networkmanager which was then trying to configure your device. |
| 12:50.34 | cedric3 | themill : i think it's very strange because hotplug work for devise not wifi no ? |
| 12:50.36 | rocketmagnet | hmm, my problem here is that it all works - until i restart |
| 12:50.42 | Lagbolt | i know that rocketmagnet |
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| 12:50.48 | Lagbolt | just saying the driver in unstable is .9 |
| 12:50.51 | rocketmagnet | what can cause such a problem ? is this listet in the nvidia FAQ ? |
| 12:50.52 | Lagbolt | or testing |
| 12:50.56 | themill | continues his practice of making wild but usually correct assertions |
| 12:51.05 | Lagbolt | so if it supports your card you should install that way |
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| 12:51.10 | Lagbolt | are you running etch? |
| 12:51.11 | Lagbolt | testing? |
| 12:51.38 | rocketmagnet | etch backport |
| 12:52.17 | Lagbolt | when it fails do you know the error? |
| 12:52.17 | Legality | i just did it |
| 12:52.44 | rocketmagnet | Lagbolt: where do i find the xorg logs so i can show you error message |
| 12:52.45 | rocketmagnet | ? |
| 12:52.53 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:54.34 | Lagbolt | rocketmagnet, have you ever had the debian nvidia driver installed or just the nvidia page one? |
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| 12:55.13 | Legality | does partitions need to be unmounted before they can be added to raid1 array? |
| 12:55.47 | jelly | !test |
| 12:55.47 | rocketmagnet | Lagbolt: maybe i've mixed with the package nvidia-glx |
| 12:55.48 | stse | Does anyone know a program part of Debian which I can use to check the load of a server remote without having an account? |
| 12:55.58 | jelly | dpkg: do you hate me? |
| 12:55.58 | Lagbolt | you have to remove that |
| 12:56.09 | Lagbolt | rocketmagnet, you have to either use debian or no |
| 12:56.12 | tarzeau | stse: ruptime |
| 12:56.12 | azeem | dpkg is down |
| 12:56.23 | grub_ | yeah :/ |
| 12:56.23 | tarzeau | stse: only for local network, remote |
| 12:56.26 | Lagbolt | so if you use nvidia page drivers you ahve to get rid of all remnants of debian nvidia |
| 12:56.41 | jelly-hmms | azeem: oh. what's apt's shortcut character? |
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| 12:56.56 | Lagbolt | you do NOT want the nvidia-glx package installed along with nvidia page drivers! |
| 12:57.02 | Lagbolt | you have to remove and purge it |
| 12:57.20 | Lagbolt | if you google "nvidia driver kernel reinstall everytime restart" you will see lots of people with similar problems |
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| 12:57.22 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 12:57.35 | rocketmagnet | Lagbolt: when i try to apt-get remove xserver-xorg-video-nv he allso want's to remove xserver-xorg-video-all =( |
| 12:57.44 | azeem | !hi |
| 12:57.50 | stew | &bot |
| 12:57.51 | aptitude | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 12:58.01 | azeem | stew: maybe aptitude could mention its trigger char in the welcome message |
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| 12:59.06 | rocketmagnet | Lagbolt: is it a good idea to remove those packages ? |
| 12:59.07 | Lagbolt | woah!! not that dude |
| 12:59.12 | rocketmagnet | hehe =) |
| 12:59.18 | stse | tarzeau: well, I have a gateway between the two machines, so if this is a broadcast solution, I can't use it. |
| 12:59.18 | Lagbolt | do this |
| 12:59.23 | Lagbolt | dpkg -l | grep nvidia |
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| 12:59.41 | Lagbolt | do you have nvidia-kernel-anything |
| 12:59.44 | Lagbolt | or nvidia-glx |
| 13:00.03 | rocketmagnet | yes, nvidia-kernel-something =) |
| 13:00.10 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 13:00.27 | Lagbolt | everytime you restart . . /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx and kernel will fuck up your links :) |
| 13:00.32 | Lagbolt | do you have nvidia-glx? |
| 13:00.36 | rocketmagnet | and XFree86 4.x Driver |
| 13:00.41 | rocketmagnet | not anymore |
| 13:00.48 | stew | azeem: ok, it should next time |
| 13:00.53 | Lagbolt | not anymore? |
| 13:00.54 | azeem | thx |
| 13:00.57 | Lagbolt | oh ok |
| 13:01.04 | rocketmagnet | i've apt-get remove nvidia-glx |
| 13:01.05 | Lagbolt | so no nvidia anything . . . nv is fine |
| 13:01.17 | Lagbolt | also do this "dpkg -P nvidia-glx |
| 13:01.23 | rocketmagnet | ok, so i'm going to remove those packages |
| 13:01.38 | Lagbolt | yup |
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| 13:01.58 | stse | tarzeau: hm, according to the manpage ruptime uses the rwho database, so it is using broadcasts. |
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| 13:02.36 | tarzeau | stse: yes so what? |
| 13:02.37 | rocketmagnet | Lagbolt: what's with the XFree86 binary driver ? |
| 13:02.39 | rocketmagnet | also remove ? |
| 13:02.52 | tarzeau | stse: ah you wanted something like nmap -O ? |
| 13:03.02 | Legality | md1 : active raid1 sda2[2](F) sdb2[1] |
| 13:03.02 | Legality | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:03.10 | themill | aptitude: wb |
| 13:03.10 | Lagbolt | rocketmagnet, you talking about "nv"? |
| 13:03.10 | aptitude | thanks, themill. It's good to be back. |
| 13:03.12 | themill | stew: thanks |
| 13:03.22 | Legality | just to get confirmation, sda2 is effed up right? |
| 13:03.40 | themill | stew: any chance of getting aptitude to join oftc too? |
| 13:03.55 | cedric3 | themill : ok i try with network-manager-kde now |
| 13:04.01 | rocketmagnet | Lagbolt: have no idea, the output of dpkg -l | grep nvidia showed also driver for XFree86, no idea if they are related |
| 13:04.12 | Lagbolt | can you pastebin the output of that please |
| 13:04.23 | rocketmagnet | console at the moment =) |
| 13:04.27 | stse | tarzeau: as I told you, there is a gateway between the hosts, so I can't use broadcasts. And I don't want an OS detection. I want to give some users the possibility to control the load of a server without giving them shell access. |
| 13:04.32 | Lagbolt | can you tell me the package name |
| 13:05.23 | rocketmagnet | oh - it's the nvidia-glx one |
| 13:05.34 | Lagbolt | dpkg -P nvidia-glx |
| 13:05.35 | Lagbolt | do that |
| 13:05.37 | tarzeau | stse: nmap -O also figures the uptime, sometimes |
| 13:05.43 | rocketmagnet | ok, so now i try reinstall and come back |
| 13:05.52 | tarzeau | stse: says: Uptime 21.244 days (since Wed Mar 19 08:14:24 2008) to me |
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| 13:05.56 | Lagbolt | ok |
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| 13:06.38 | rocketmagnet | Lagbolt: thanks for now, i try reinstall and reboot |
| 13:06.40 | rocketmagnet | brb |
| 13:06.47 | stse | tarzeau: and which ports do I need for this to work? |
| 13:07.02 | hudu | help a noob? Is there an 'aptitude install' for reading PDF's ... I have done the contrib and non-free in my sources.list |
| 13:07.16 | tarzeau | stse: nothing special |
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| 13:07.43 | tarzeau | stse: well you could do something like the cowdaemon that just outputs the uptime data, or put that into a cgi |
| 13:08.03 | tarzeau | stse: you can choose the port for both (tcp, any port) |
| 13:08.14 | tarzeau | stse: the one over inetd, can be checked with telnet, the other with any browser |
| 13:09.22 | stew | hudu: evince or xpdf |
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| 13:09.48 | themill | @tell hudu about multiple ask |
| 13:09.55 | stew | themill: i'm firewalled from one of the oftc ips and I can't be arsed |
| 13:09.56 | stse | tarzeau: hm, cowdaemon is in which package? |
| 13:10.10 | stse | tarzeau: I can't find it with apt-cache search |
| 13:10.23 | themill | stew: fair enough! |
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| 13:11.46 | rocketmagnet | thx Lagbolt !! |
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| 13:11.56 | rocketmagnet | it's working now |
| 13:12.28 | rocketmagnet | the dpkg -P is what ? it tries to remove it completely (the package passed as argument) ? |
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| 13:13.33 | Lagbolt | no prob |
| 13:13.36 | Lagbolt | purge!! |
| 13:13.42 | Lagbolt | apt-get --purge remove works too |
| 13:13.52 | Lagbolt | if you dont purge some conf files get left behind |
| 13:14.55 | shivamib | lol |
| 13:15.03 | stew | not some but all |
| 13:15.04 | shivamib | mike durant, we wont leave you behind! |
| 13:15.20 | shivamib | (for a good analogy) |
| 13:15.50 | rocketmagnet | Lagbolt: another thing is that i've a few kernel-images that i'm not using, to you know how to remove them over apt-get ? |
| 13:16.22 | stew | rocketmagnet: 'apt-get remove packagename' just like any other package |
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| 13:17.08 | rocketmagnet | stew: but i have no idea how they are called |
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| 13:17.51 | cusco | rocketmagnet: dpkg -l|grep -i linux-image |
| 13:17.52 | Lagbolt | dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 13:17.55 | Lagbolt | lol nice cusco |
| 13:18.00 | cusco | hah |
| 13:18.06 | Lagbolt | i owe you a beer lol |
| 13:18.23 | rocketmagnet | cusco: ty |
| 13:18.25 | cusco | lol... was your nick not Lag bolt |
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| 13:18.34 | cusco | you would have answered first :p |
| 13:18.42 | Lagbolt | true true |
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| 13:19.40 | BREAKIT | ey people, i was thinkin after i read a thing haha. it was about my WLAN-card and the kernel. it says that in the later kernel my card is supported. and update kernel can't hurt even thou it's not supported and meanwhile i learn how to update kernel? or maybe i'm just thinkin to much. |
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| 13:20.45 | stew | was that a wierd way of saying, "how do i upgrade my kernel?" ? |
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| 13:23.00 | Nyle | hi stew |
| 13:23.08 | Nyle | whats kickin'? |
| 13:23.33 | BREAKIT | well, yeah |
| 13:24.28 | Nyle | stew, msg |
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| 13:28.07 | cusco | BREAKIT: what wifi card have you got? chipset? |
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| 13:29.38 | BREAKIT | dell broadcom 1390 and everything else is just ATI and AMD64. |
| 13:29.58 | Nyle | infamous bcm |
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| 13:31.06 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
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| 13:31.52 | themill | abrotman: fail. aptitude and ravenbird are here though |
| 13:31.53 | krypto | what's the reason why debian releases are named from the characters of toy story? |
| 13:32.01 | BREAKIT | yeah. I got tired of all the howto and was thinking about the kernel. |
| 13:32.04 | abrotman | themill: i figured it was dead .. anyone ping don ? |
| 13:32.05 | krypto | why not the xmen? power rangers? |
| 13:32.17 | nerdsquad3210 | manga |
| 13:32.25 | abrotman | krypto: that's just what they decided to use .. and Power Rangers are utter shit |
| 13:32.41 | nerdsquad3210 | ghost in a shell |
| 13:32.46 | themill | abrotman: nfi. Not that I've seen, but dpkg is missing from both here and oftc and has been since I jumped on this morning. |
| 13:32.46 | abrotman | That's like asking why Optimus Prime didn't roll with the GoBots |
| 13:33.14 | shivamib | Lol |
| 13:33.17 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dpkg is non-responsive |
| 13:33.18 | krypto | lol |
| 13:33.30 | shivamib | i'm sorry, could you do the car analogy? |
| 13:33.31 | cusco | BREAKIT: I just read that the bcm43xx driver supports your dell broadcom 1390 card |
| 13:33.36 | abrotman | i did |
| 13:33.41 | shivamib | oh |
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| 13:33.58 | nerdsquad3210 | what about wesnoth |
| 13:34.14 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: do you have a debian question? |
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| 13:34.25 | maard | hi. how can i use postgresql 7 and 8 at the same time on debian? |
| 13:34.37 | abrotman | maard: you just install them both ? |
| 13:34.39 | nerdsquad3210 | yes i make krypto question my own |
| 13:34.39 | maard | and how to set 'default' server? |
| 13:34.41 | Nyle | power rangers? |
| 13:34.48 | Nyle | wtf is the matter with you |
| 13:34.49 | maard | abrotman: yes |
| 13:34.51 | jeed | hi, where can you get the gcc-4.1-multilib package? |
| 13:35.04 | abrotman | maard: so what's the problem? |
| 13:35.17 | Nyle | go go flower rangers |
| 13:35.19 | nerdsquad3210 | at least we got trolls in debian irc channels |
| 13:35.27 | maard | abrotman: by default i connect ot 7. how can i connect (via psql) to another? |
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| 13:35.37 | abrotman | maard: oh .. you mean with psql ? |
| 13:35.52 | Nyle | thats not trolling, its a legit question to which the answer is... because they chose toy story, no one knows why, just accept it |
| 13:35.58 | maard | abrotman: psql and scripts |
| 13:35.59 | BREAKIT | cusco: Yeah, i know. And i read bcm43xx is "a part of" a newer kernel then the one i have right now. so thats what i am thinkin, update the kernel. i dunno, am i wrong here? |
| 13:36.10 | shivamib | aren't they on different ports? |
| 13:36.12 | Nyle | BREAKIT, its been supported for a while now actually |
| 13:36.22 | Nyle | BREAKIT, you mean new as in the latest kernel release? |
| 13:36.30 | nerdsquad3210 | toys often break |
| 13:36.31 | cusco | BREAKIT: that means that bcm43xx is included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2 - try modprobe bcm43xx |
| 13:36.32 | abrotman | maard: via sockets? maybe you have to name the socket? can you specify a psql version ? |
| 13:36.33 | Nyle | where did you read this? |
| 13:36.35 | yacc | How does one detect the "speed" an USB device is using? |
| 13:36.41 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: if you don't have a Debian question, be quiet |
| 13:36.42 | cusco | BREAKIT: what kernel have you got? |
| 13:36.47 | yacc | E.g. if a USB2 device is really using 480mbit/s? |
| 13:36.54 | Nyle | no |
| 13:37.01 | Nyle | it can theoretically |
| 13:37.02 | abrotman | USB2 is 400 |
| 13:37.09 | Songtao | How to get DIRs with sftp get command? |
| 13:37.19 | abrotman | oh .. no it's 480 .. ignore me |
| 13:37.20 | nerdsquad3210 | abrotman: why are you picking on me ? discrimination ? |
| 13:37.30 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: just be quiet |
| 13:37.30 | maard | abrotman: 7.4 and 8.1 |
| 13:37.31 | maard | by default it's 7.4, but how can i 'switch' to 8? |
| 13:37.34 | Nyle | 12/480 |
| 13:37.38 | Nyle | thats a huge leap |
| 13:37.42 | nerdsquad3210 | just because im a lil girl dosent give you the right... |
| 13:37.44 | maard | abrotman: like 'update-alternatives' or something |
| 13:38.10 | yacc | abrotman: more important is how do I detect which speed is being used |
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| 13:38.46 | abrotman | maard: ls -l `which psql` .. i'm not sure if that's useful or not |
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| 13:39.18 | BREAKIT | cusco: i dont get enything from typing in modprobe bcm43xx. and yes, i mean the latest release. and the kernel is 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 13:39.36 | maard | abrotman: i'm interested in how can i make another version to start on system boot, etc |
| 13:39.54 | abrotman | maard: do you need to have them both installed? |
| 13:40.47 | nerdsquad3210 | im using testing debian version 8.04 |
| 13:40.58 | abrotman | nerdsquad3210: go to #ubuntu |
| 13:41.11 | nerdsquad3210 | :=) |
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| 13:42.10 | Nyle | it must be loaded sep |
| 13:42.12 | abrotman | maard: use update-rc.d to have 7.4 not start .. and 8.1 to start ? |
| 13:42.13 | Nyle | !bcm43xx |
| 13:42.29 | Nyle | deprecated maybe? b43xx? |
| 13:42.36 | Nyle | oh no bot |
| 13:42.40 | Nyle | doh |
| 13:42.46 | Nyle | ~bcm43xx |
| 13:42.55 | Nyle | aptitude, hi |
| 13:42.55 | aptitude | que tal, nyle |
| 13:43.01 | Nyle | &bcm43xx |
| 13:43.01 | aptitude | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images. |
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| 13:43.22 | abrotman | heh .. disabled .. cute |
| 13:43.46 | cusco | from 2.6.24 |
| 13:43.56 | cusco | he has 2.6.18 |
| 13:44.05 | abrotman | i'm just saying! |
| 13:44.08 | Nyle | ahh b43legacy |
| 13:44.12 | cusco | BREAKIT: after the modprobe, what does dmesg say? |
| 13:44.25 | Nyle | cusco, has he loaded the firmware yet? |
| 13:44.42 | nerdsquad3210 | !pita |
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| 13:44.54 | cusco | byebye |
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| 13:44.58 | Nyle | nerdsquad3210, do you have a debian related question? |
| 13:45.06 | BREAKIT | the modprobe says nothing |
| 13:45.13 | Nyle | good |
| 13:45.18 | cusco | BREAKIT: that means the module was loaded |
| 13:45.24 | cusco | BREAKIT: dmesg|tail |
| 13:45.40 | maard | abrotman: thanks, i didn't know about update-rc.d |
| 13:45.48 | cusco | do you read anything regarding a eth1 or something? |
| 13:45.55 | abrotman | maard: i'd also check the docs in /usr/share/postgresql* |
| 13:46.55 | abrotman | cusco: did the module get removed first? |
| 13:47.22 | BREAKIT | it says something about ieee80211 |
| 13:47.29 | BREAKIT | nothing about eth1 |
| 13:47.42 | Nyle | afaik that stack is enabled in default stock kernels |
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| 13:48.03 | Nyle | should be anyway... but what does it say about it? |
| 13:48.03 | cusco | I don't know... I could only guess it wasn't loaded |
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| 13:48.41 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 13:49.02 | Nyle | hi |
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| 13:49.15 | cusco | BREAKIT: can you paste the dmesg output in the pastebin? |
| 13:49.17 | wfq | I've installed mozilla-thunderbird in my machine. Does any of you know how the binary is called? I can not find as mozilla-thunderbid in /usr/bin |
| 13:49.33 | abrotman | wfq: you want to install 'icedove' |
| 13:49.44 | Nyle | !iceape |
| 13:49.49 | Nyle | ;goida;oid;lkfja; |
| 13:49.51 | Nyle | fucking bot |
| 13:50.10 | Nyle | anyway so weasel, ape, never heard of dove before |
| 13:50.13 | wfq | it looks like dpkg does not work |
| 13:50.15 | wfq | for that |
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| 13:50.23 | Nyle | use aptitude, trigger & |
| 13:50.24 | Nyle | &hi |
| 13:50.24 | aptitude | hello, nyle |
| 13:50.37 | wfq | hi |
| 13:50.41 | cusco | hi |
| 13:50.44 | wfq | trigger? what's that |
| 13:50.47 | Nyle | nm |
| 13:51.03 | wfq | I will install icedove |
| 13:51.08 | cusco | :)) |
| 13:51.13 | garaguas | how can i see the automatic time help here? |
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| 13:51.17 | BREAKIT | cusco: pastebin? |
| 13:51.21 | Nyle | cusco, thats a mighty big smile ;) |
| 13:51.26 | cusco | BREAKIT: http://rafb.net/paste |
| 13:51.33 | Nyle | garaguas, automatic time |
| 13:51.34 | Nyle | ? |
| 13:51.49 | Nyle | you man 'man date' |
| 13:51.56 | garaguas | yes, something like ~time |
| 13:51.59 | cusco | BREAKIT: don't forget to return your paste URL |
| 13:52.01 | Nyle | mean* |
| 13:52.15 | garaguas | and you get here in chat a help to configure ti |
| 13:52.23 | Nyle | you mean time stamp? |
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| 13:52.35 | Nyle | when you chat so you see time for each line when it was said? |
| 13:52.41 | Nyle | check your irc client configuration |
| 13:52.59 | BREAKIT | http://rafb.net/p/Y95fOO88.html |
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| 13:53.21 | garaguas | no, sorry for my bad explanation, i want to reconfigure the utc date in my debian |
| 13:53.30 | Nyle | sigh |
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| 13:53.37 | Nyle | &utc |
| 13:53.37 | aptitude | [utc] Coordinated Universal Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utc ; In /etc/default/rcS set UTC appropriately, then run # invoke-rc.d hwclock.sh restart |
| 13:55.22 | garaguas | and time ago i've asked here about and somebody made an "automatic call" for an explanation about date configuration in debian |
| 13:55.38 | Nyle | garaguas, man date explains it all |
| 13:55.39 | garaguas | something like date? |
| 13:55.40 | Nyle | :) |
| 13:55.49 | Nyle | you got it |
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| 13:56.24 | garaguas | jeje, yes i know, but i've solved my problem very quick with that and wanted to find it again |
| 13:56.31 | garaguas | anyway, no problem |
| 13:56.38 | Nyle | to configure date? |
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| 13:56.55 | Romik | hi, why I have old version (3.0.0 beta2) of FileZilla in my debian lenny ? |
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| 13:57.10 | Nyle | filezilla is only for windows afaik. |
| 13:57.17 | abrotman | Romik: is'nt the same version in sid also ? packages.debian.org/filezilla |
| 13:57.30 | Nyle | unless im like under some friggin rock |
| 13:57.33 | Romik | thanks |
| 13:57.41 | multi_io | what is the current state-of-the-art WLAN stack in Linux? MAC80211? |
| 13:57.43 | Nyle | filezilla isn't it a gui windows xp ftp client? |
| 13:57.53 | garaguas | Nyle: yes, my bios is with Local time but debian take it like UTC |
| 13:58.11 | abrotman | Romik: i have no idea why the one from experimental hasn't migrated .. one would guess bad bugs |
| 13:58.53 | Nyle | whowh when did they have it for linux and mac now too |
| 13:59.34 | jerome | hi there, I have some xen images I'd like to move to kvm. I build these images using the debian tools, so that they're not bootable (the kernel itself was stored on dom0). Any idea how I could just make those images bootable ? I was thinking of qemu'ing the image and a standard debian cd, then chroot'ing to the image and installing the kernel/bootloader from there. Any idea for a better alternative ? |
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| 14:00.10 | Cripps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.16 | themill | Nyle: filezilla has been around for linux for a while. Newer versions were kept out of debian due to a lack of wxwidgets2.8 though. |
| 14:00.32 | abrotman | oh yeah .. i forgot about that pile of tardery |
| 14:00.35 | Nyle | themill, I use nc |
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| 14:00.50 | themill | aptitude: why is filezilla not in testing |
| 14:00.50 | aptitude | filezilla is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=filezilla |
| 14:00.58 | themill | Romik: ^^ |
| 14:01.06 | Nyle | themill, I used filezilla on windows a very long time ago and I don't think I saw any ports at all except widnows native version first |
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| 14:01.23 | justin | jerome: you can boot the disk image+kernel with qemu. no need for a cd |
| 14:01.35 | Nyle | I am not sure but I think it was released for windows originally maybe, I could be dead wrong |
| 14:01.35 | Cripps | how do I install fonts for java to use? I've tried copying the *.ttf files to the /usr/lib/jvm/java/jre/lib/fonts/ directory, but to no avail. Any other ideas? |
| 14:01.37 | abrotman | themill: that's not really going to help |
| 14:01.52 | themill | abrotman: why not? |
| 14:01.52 | utab | I did not know where to ask this question, from gdb 6.8 on debian I am getting .../start.S could not be found error, before I ran into the same problem, I know it is related to glibc but for the moment I could not solve it can someone shed some light |
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| 14:02.02 | abrotman | !info filezilla sid |
| 14:02.04 | abrotman | !info filezilla lenny |
| 14:02.10 | Nyle | dpkg, wb |
| 14:02.10 | abrotman | argh .. |
| 14:02.13 | Nyle | no |
| 14:02.18 | themill | abrotman: it's not in lenny because it's got bugs |
| 14:02.41 | Nyle | lysol |
| 14:02.52 | abrotman | themill: bah .. it was in lenny a few weeks ago i thought |
| 14:03.06 | themill | abrotman: http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/filezilla/news/20080114T233913Z.html |
| 14:03.10 | abrotman | yeah .. i saw |
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| 14:03.24 | cusco | BREAKIT: sorry I wsn't here |
| 14:03.37 | cusco | BREAKIT: I guess you will need to install the bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 14:03.44 | Nyle | what is the highest compression format using open source tools? |
| 14:03.53 | cusco | b7zip |
| 14:03.57 | Nyle | for non text tiles |
| 14:03.58 | Nyle | files* |
| 14:04.07 | Nyle | b7zip? |
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| 14:04.15 | Nyle | I've never heard of that one |
| 14:04.18 | cusco | p7zip rather |
| 14:04.21 | Nyle | oh |
| 14:04.26 | Nyle | just regular old 7z |
| 14:05.17 | BREAKIT | cusco: yeah. well. i guess there's a howto on google |
| 14:05.24 | themill | abrotman: I'm actually not sure why it's not in testing as the bugs are closed. |
| 14:05.36 | abrotman | ask the maintainer? |
| 14:05.42 | Nyle | themill, needs time by main |
| 14:05.45 | Nyle | t |
| 14:05.53 | Nyle | depending on when the bugs were closed |
| 14:05.55 | jerome | justin: I don't have the original kernel anymore and it seems unhappy with newer kernels |
| 14:06.03 | abrotman | themill: or append the bug ? |
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| 14:06.04 | Nyle | it would take some time, depending on if the maint had time |
| 14:06.08 | themill | Nyle: 6 weeks ago |
| 14:06.23 | cusco | BREAKIT: I just had a look at http://wiki.debian.org/?action=fullsearch&value=bcm43xx |
| 14:06.33 | Nyle | there must be another reason unless the maint has no time |
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| 14:07.05 | jesperj | I'm going to build an encrypted fileserver with mirrored discs in raid 1 (so the data is safe if one disc fails) for backups, that I will connect to the LAN when I want to access it. I guess this could be called a NAS. I would like some tips on how to approach it. Since I prefer Debian as a distribution I wonder if It would be good for this application and also if anyone know some guides online on how to do this on Debian? |
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| 14:07.12 | themill | bah... it's marked as "done" not "closed" -- it's only fixed in experimental not in sid |
| 14:07.24 | Nyle | themill, told ya |
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| 14:07.43 | abrotman | themill: yay no filezilla! |
| 14:08.01 | abrotman | doesn't remember what ever happened with the wx2.8 stuff |
| 14:08.25 | cusco | themill: did you want filezilla for its ssl capable authentication? |
| 14:08.26 | themill | no, I was surprised to see it in sid.... there seems to be a wx packaging team now. |
| 14:08.42 | themill | cusco: no, someone else was asking about filezilla in lenny |
| 14:08.48 | cusco | ok |
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| 14:09.48 | Nyle | nctfp ftw |
| 14:09.53 | Nyle | tfp |
| 14:09.55 | Nyle | fuck... ftp |
| 14:10.08 | abrotman | themill: you mean they hijacked it from ron ? |
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| 14:10.38 | themill | abrotman: no, ron packaged it himself it seems. (I was looking at the package from wx upstream) |
| 14:11.19 | abrotman | themill: only took what .. a year? |
| 14:11.22 | yacc | Any idea how to check what speed an USB device uses? |
| 14:11.42 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 14:11.47 | abrotman | aptitude: whats my hardware |
| 14:11.48 | aptitude | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 14:12.00 | xuser | Nyle: sftp ftw ;) |
| 14:12.10 | Nyle | sure why not |
| 14:12.17 | Nyle | use what you like, thats the beauty of choice! |
| 14:12.19 | Nyle | ;) |
| 14:12.55 | Nyle | is there like a iostat for umm usb |
| 14:13.05 | Nyle | find out usb i/o stats somehow? |
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| 14:13.19 | Nyle | poll the controller driver or something I dunno |
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| 14:14.03 | Nyle | basically benchmarking several products on usb2.0 and wanted to check transfer rates but not as reported by file manager utils |
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| 14:14.21 | Nyle | anything lolevel? |
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| 14:15.37 | Penix | argh. I just last night convinced myself yet again that an EeePC isn't worth it. now I've got a spare bit of money that could cover 90% of the cost... |
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| 14:15.47 | Penix | temptations... |
| 14:16.06 | Nyle | so is there something |
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| 14:16.14 | bokbaard | think about it 2 more nights, then buy it |
| 14:16.16 | Nyle | I can't find anything on google, please advise |
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| 14:16.34 | abrotman | Penix: sell your kidney to cover the rest! |
| 14:16.44 | Penix | why not? got two of 'em |
| 14:16.45 | Nyle | don't talk about kidneys and selling |
| 14:16.48 | Nyle | it will piss off wols |
| 14:16.55 | spikeb | get an eeepc |
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| 14:17.04 | abrotman | Penix: i had to convince myself that buying a new laptop wasn't really worth it .. it's hard to justify upgrading a 2.4Ghz thinkpad |
| 14:17.06 | spikeb | or some other linux friendly ultramobile |
| 14:17.14 | Nyle | you shall forever be labled immoral and cruel or some such bullshit |
| 14:17.28 | Penix | abrotman: I've still never owned a laptop. had way too many desktop boxes over the years |
| 14:17.40 | Penix | abrotman: I use little keyboards too, so I'd bee fairly used to the size |
| 14:17.43 | Nyle | Penix, you are not serious. |
| 14:17.43 | abrotman | Penix: i sold numerous machines and bought a laptop |
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| 14:17.50 | themill | abrotman: well... for the "it's a buggy piece of shit that shouldn't even be in sid", it doesn't have a single bug against it in the bts after 6 weeks. And it looks like it's just an upload of the ubuntu package from their maintainer but it still has ron in the maintainer field. |
| 14:17.52 | Nyle | Penix, you can't be serious |
| 14:17.56 | abrotman | wishes he'd have kept the SGI |
| 14:17.59 | Penix | abrotman: that's why I'm planning to do with the eeepc |
| 14:18.02 | Penix | Nyle: eh? |
| 14:18.09 | Nyle | Penix, never owned a laptop? |
| 14:18.16 | Penix | Nyle: nope |
| 14:18.17 | Nyle | I'm just amazed is all :) |
| 14:18.20 | jesperj | Does anyone know a guide to make a NAS with disc encryption and mirror raid with Debian? |
| 14:18.21 | Nyle | wow man |
| 14:18.21 | Penix | always meant to get around to it |
| 14:18.28 | Nyle | hehe |
| 14:18.40 | abrotman | themill: if it works .. yay? .. maybe file a bug to see if the filezilla from exp can be moved to sid now? |
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| 14:18.53 | Nyle | Penix, wow man thats an accomplishment |
| 14:18.56 | abrotman | jesperj: the regular install guide |
| 14:19.06 | themill | abrotman: wx2.8 isn't in sid yet though |
| 14:19.20 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:19.29 | abrotman | freaking should be |
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| 14:19.31 | Nyle | Penix, not only is a laptop very very convenient, especially a capable/linux compatible one |
| 14:19.32 | SpookyET | hi |
| 14:19.37 | SpookyET | I'm having trouble creating a deb package. I'm coming from 3 months of pacman, which is grandma is. dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - bcwipe-1.7 and bcwipe |
| 14:19.45 | Penix | Nyle: obviously |
| 14:19.46 | Nyle | Penix, as well as being a fasion statement in some parts of the world |
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| 14:19.55 | Nyle | Penix, like cell phones |
| 14:20.00 | Penix | Nyle: I've got my Linux equipped iPaq. that got me hooked on portable stuff |
| 14:20.00 | spikeb | SpookyET, specify only one of those values |
| 14:20.01 | Penix | and my DS |
| 14:20.06 | spikeb | Penix, cool :) |
| 14:20.11 | xlotlu | is there a way to detect in the template if a date's year is in the future, or i'll have to go for the view? |
| 14:20.11 | Joelio | I'm having an issue installing flash on AMD64 lenny... nspluginwrapper -i ~/.mozilla/firefox/libflashplayer.so |
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| 14:20.15 | Joelio | /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 14:20.17 | Joelio | nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /home/joel/.mozilla/firefox/libflashplayer.so |
| 14:20.23 | Nyle | Penix, I am looking for a hand held device that can run linux and other apps |
| 14:20.26 | xlotlu | errm, wong channel |
| 14:20.27 | SpookyET | spikeb: clarify. where? |
| 14:20.36 | Nyle | been searching linux-mobile etc. etc. |
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| 14:20.50 | jeed | Nyle, pay for a guy to run after you with a desktop in a trolley and an extension cable |
| 14:20.58 | spikeb | SpookyET, not a clue. where ever they are specified together, perhaps |
| 14:21.10 | Nyle | gps, email, phone, mp3, video player, browser, runs linux |
| 14:21.10 | Penix | Nyle: I wouldn't mind getting an N800 or N810 once they become cheaper and easier available down under |
| 14:21.12 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 14:21.15 | jesperj | abrotman: Ok :) Which one is better oop-AES or dm-crypt? Or are they very similiar? |
| 14:21.15 | abrotman | aptitude: mentors |
| 14:21.16 | aptitude | [mentors] the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 14:21.20 | Nyle | thats what I require |
| 14:21.20 | abrotman | jesperj: NFC |
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| 14:21.36 | SpookyET | spikeb: I have bcwipe 1.7 everywhere in the debian folder. |
| 14:21.53 | spikeb | hmm |
| 14:21.55 | themill | remaps abrotman's keyboard so that ! produces & |
| 14:22.07 | spikeb | SpookyET, well, the obvious was the extent of my knowledge, sorry. |
| 14:22.09 | Nyle | remap his brain |
| 14:22.11 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 14:22.25 | jesperj | abrotman: The install guide ch07s02 mentioned loop-AES and dm-crypt, not NFC... |
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| 14:24.11 | abrotman | aptitude: nfc |
| 14:24.12 | aptitude | hmm... nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 14:25.05 | jesperj | ok |
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| 14:25.59 | vorsprung | tea that's a good idea |
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| 14:30.17 | strummula | hello |
| 14:30.37 | makdaknife | hi |
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| 14:30.58 | strummula | i'm searching for a nms software like nagios but for remote monitoring. |
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| 14:31.09 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
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| 14:31.34 | Ace2016 | Hey what happened to wols? he disappeared |
| 14:31.44 | makdaknife | strummula: i thought nagios could do remote monitoring... |
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| 14:34.49 | Ace2016 | !seen wols |
| 14:34.52 | Ace2016 | !seen wols_ |
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| 14:34.59 | Ace2016 | So has anyone seen wols |
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| 14:35.36 | themill | not for a while |
| 14:35.49 | Ace2016 | he completely disappeared |
| 14:36.33 | themill | smart chap |
| 14:36.35 | strummula | is wols your pusher? |
| 14:36.41 | Ace2016 | pusher? |
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| 14:37.03 | Ace2016 | no i'm wondering what happened to him, he just disappeared |
| 14:37.10 | strummula | don't mind |
| 14:37.12 | Ace2016 | plus he helps everyone and seems to know lots |
| 14:37.21 | Ace2016 | strummula: are you wols in disguise? |
| 14:37.28 | Ace2016 | knows :D |
| 14:37.30 | strummula | ghgh nope |
| 14:37.42 | Ace2016 | wtf i can't change my nick to wols |
| 14:37.48 | Ace2016 | so he's here on freenode |
| 14:37.59 | wols_ | i'll be the other wols then |
| 14:38.06 | azeem | what |
| 14:38.09 | cusco | why? |
| 14:38.12 | azeem | wols_: please keep it on topic |
| 14:38.28 | wols_ | so that wols will see someone using his nick |
| 14:38.32 | wols_ | ok i'll stay on topic |
| 14:38.39 | wols_ | but there isn't anyone saying anything |
| 14:38.39 | azeem | wols_: that's stupid |
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| 14:38.48 | azeem | wols_: please change your nick back |
| 14:38.50 | wols_ | azeem: but it would take the real wols to kick me |
| 14:38.58 | wols_ | well ghost kick me |
| 14:39.10 | azeem | wols_: and? |
| 14:39.19 | wols_ | so i know wols exists duh |
| 14:39.25 | azeem | wols_: you're sort of stealing his identiy |
| 14:39.29 | strummula | whois wols |
| 14:39.31 | wols_ | nope |
| 14:39.37 | wols_ | whois wols |
| 14:39.37 | azeem | wols_: if you're not malicious, please change your nick |
| 14:39.37 | themill | wols_: don't be a loser |
| 14:39.38 | d_anny | anyone knows what fork () and cow semantics is ? |
| 14:39.55 | wols_ | ok ok i won't say anything from now on |
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| 14:40.22 | themill | @moo |
| 14:40.23 | ravenbird | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 14:40.25 | Ace2016 | ok maybe there is a better way |
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| 14:40.38 | themill | d_anny: ^^ that sort of cow? |
| 14:40.43 | simonrvn | dpkg dided again? |
| 14:40.47 | azeem | yes |
| 14:40.49 | simonrvn | died* |
| 14:40.51 | d_anny | nope ...... |
| 14:40.54 | simonrvn | :/ |
| 14:40.55 | azeem | Ace2016: please worry about your own problems - people come and go all the time |
| 14:41.10 | Ace2016 | yea but wols has been here forever |
| 14:41.17 | zamba | how can i easily combine to nics into one? |
| 14:41.19 | d_anny | it is said fork() in cygwin does not use cow semantics ... that's why it takes so long to compile stuff in windows |
| 14:41.21 | Ace2016 | thinks azeem is wols in disguise |
| 14:41.28 | Ace2016 | o_o |
| 14:41.32 | simonrvn | i've been "hand syncing" |
| 14:41.36 | azeem | Ace2016: do you have a Debian question? |
| 14:41.44 | Ace2016 | thats what wols would say |
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| 14:42.03 | azeem | Ace2016: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic |
| 14:42.14 | azeem | please be more signal and less noise in the future |
| 14:42.21 | themill | simonrvn: ewww. Sounds unpleasant, particularly with the reasonable amount of turnover in the factoids. |
| 14:42.29 | themill | simonrvn: Can we come up with something better? |
| 14:42.33 | simonrvn | yeh... |
| 14:42.39 | snacky | if wols were here, he'd have put a stop to this off-topic talk immediately |
| 14:42.58 | simonrvn | easiest i can think of of diffing the sql |
| 14:43.09 | simonrvn | s,of of,of is, |
| 14:43.11 | azeem | well, there's aptitude as dpkg backup |
| 14:43.30 | themill | azeem: only when it's actually here. ravenbird tends to be here more than aptitude. |
| 14:43.35 | SpookyET | I'm having trouble creating a deb package. dpkg-source: error: source package has two conflicting values - bcwipe-1.7 and bcwipe. I've checked. I see bcwipe-1.7 everywhere. |
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| 14:43.53 | azeem | SpookyET: check bot changelog and control |
| 14:43.56 | azeem | both* |
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| 14:44.23 | themill | simonrvn: any chance of getting ravenbird on oftc? even with out of date-ish factoids it's probably better than no bots there. |
| 14:44.37 | simonrvn | yeh, mo' |
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| 14:45.22 | SpookyET | azeem. I did. |
| 14:45.32 | craigevil | what happend to dpkg on oftc? |
| 14:46.03 | themill | craigevil: dpkg gone walkies |
| 14:46.11 | SpookyET | azeem: Source: bcwipe-1.7 Package: bcwipe-1.7 and in changelong bcwipe (1.7-4) gutsy; urgency=low |
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| 14:48.45 | azeem | SpookyET: so there you go |
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| 14:49.03 | azeem | changelog has bcwipe and control has bcwipe-1.7 |
| 14:49.20 | azeem | SpookyET: and btw, this is channel is not for Ubuntu development, please ask in #ubuntu-motu |
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| 14:50.08 | SpookyET | azeem: I'm just trying to learn how make debs. I found a nice tutorial on the ubuntu forums |
| 14:50.14 | SpookyET | copy paste |
| 14:50.23 | azeem | apparently wrong |
| 14:50.42 | themill | & nmg |
| 14:50.42 | aptitude | nmg is probably Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/, or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 14:50.44 | BREAKIT | how can i check if bcm43xx-fwcutter is installed right? |
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| 14:50.56 | azeem | SpookyET: you're encoding the version into the package name |
| 14:50.59 | Teltariat | Hey folks, quick question |
| 14:51.01 | azeem | in control |
| 14:51.14 | ^shark_ | !rndc |
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| 14:52.45 | SpookyET | So, I should change Source and Package to bcwipe from bcwipe-1.7? |
| 14:53.03 | magowiz | How can I install debian etch and use 2 hard disk as / mountpoint using lvm ? Is it possible using debian installer ? |
| 14:53.17 | stew | magowiz: yes and yes |
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| 14:53.55 | ^shark_ | i am having trouble restarting bind, i am told its because of rndc, my rndc is very unstable, at times it won't stop my bind when i ask it to. |
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| 14:54.09 | steven__ | What is the name of a kernel with smp support in lenny? |
| 14:54.17 | chops | ^shark_: Checked the BTS? |
| 14:54.24 | abrotman | steven__: almost all have SMP by default |
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| 14:54.49 | steven__ | abrotman: not the one off of testing cd |
| 14:54.56 | mirco | Has someone in here experience with the kolab packages from edge |
| 14:55.02 | bfremon | Hi all |
| 14:55.12 | abrotman | steven__: that's a -486 .. the -686 has SMP |
| 14:55.32 | bfremon | is anyone know in which package the X randr extension sits ? |
| 14:55.38 | ^shark_ | chops: i am actually a newbie so i wouldnt know what you actually mean! how do you suppose i check this BTS on my machine? |
| 14:55.39 | steven__ | abrotman: Is realtime speed up gaming / audio recording much ? |
| 14:55.51 | abrotman | for SMP it might .. depending on the software |
| 14:55.51 | magowiz | stew , I tried partitioning manually : I created a 250mb partition for /boot (primary with ext3) and the rest of the first hd as lvm , on the 2nd hd I used the entire partition as lvm , I created a group named "root" and I've assigned the two lvm physical volume to root group, but now How can I tell the installer that it should use the lvm "root" group to mount / ? |
| 14:56.00 | chops | !tell ^shark_ about bts |
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| 14:56.05 | chops | ^shark_: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:56.16 | ^shark_ | i am running etch |
| 14:56.23 | magowiz | stew , I tried partitioning manually : I created a 250mb partition for /boot (primary with ext3) and the rest of the first hd as lvm , |
| 14:56.27 | magowiz | on the 2nd hd I used the entire partition as lvm , I created a group named "root" and I've assigned the two lvm physical volume to root group, but now How can I tell the installer that it should use the lvm "root" group to mount / ? |
| 14:56.28 | ^shark_ | kernel 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 14:57.03 | chops | ^shark_: I'd be surprised if the etch bind was actually unstable... can you describe your problem in a good bit of detail (for example using pastebin to show a session where bind is malfunctioning)? |
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| 14:57.11 | stew | magowiz: after you have finished making the changes to lvm and commit them, you should be able to assign a mount point to that lv in the partitioner |
| 14:57.58 | magowiz | stew, I tried this thing 3/4 times but I still not understand how to do this. |
| 14:58.30 | stew | magowiz: you have created a vg, have you created a lv? |
| 14:58.37 | jesperj | Would a NAS made with Debian work for Windows users also to store their data on and read from? |
| 14:58.53 | abrotman | jesperj: if it speaks a protocol windows understands |
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| 14:59.25 | magowiz | stew, there are two lv , the rest of the first hd, and all the second disk, one vg named "root" that contains all those two volumes |
| 15:00.13 | ^shark_ | chops: at the moment its working fine. But sometimes it won't work at all. I just wanted to know what might cause this and how i can solve the problem |
| 15:00.18 | stew | magowiz: "the rest of the first hd, and all the second disk". those are PVs not LVs |
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| 15:00.37 | magowiz | ah... |
| 15:00.41 | ^shark_ | chops: the first time it misbehaved i created a new key and it starting working properly but it still is unstable at times |
| 15:01.00 | chops | ^shark_: What does it do that makes you describe it as unstable? Seg fault? |
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| 15:01.49 | Decepticon | what can i use to start a program up at bootup/startup with my user privs (like sshd would start up) |
| 15:02.17 | abrotman | Decepticon: /msg dpkg run at startup |
| 15:02.35 | stew | Decepticon: sshd starts up as root not user, but, in general, use start-stop-daemon |
| 15:02.46 | Decepticon | dpkg doesnt seem to be replying to me |
| 15:03.01 | Decepticon | yes i want to use a non-root user to start this process |
| 15:03.32 | ^shark_ | chops: it says "bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused failed! " when i /etc/init.d/bind9 restart and shortly afterwards it starts bind properly |
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| 15:03.43 | stew | Decepticon: start-stop-daemon will drop priveleges before starting the daemon if you ask it to |
| 15:03.44 | jesperj | abrotman: NFS perhaps? So it does not rely on the filesystem? I am planning on installing CryptoBox on top of Debian Etch ( cryptobox.org ). The site says "cryptsetup with LUKS support" "Once you openend an encrypted volume through the web frontend of the CryptoNAS you can access the volume's data within your local network via Samba Shares""The CryptoNAS-Server package will smoothly integrate into your existing fileserver. It provides mount points which |
| 15:03.45 | jesperj | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:03.47 | chops | ^shark_: Anything interesting in the logs? |
| 15:03.56 | jesperj | Can someone explain this? |
| 15:04.03 | abrotman | jesperj: i'd probably use samba .. but Windows does have an NFS client |
| 15:04.04 | chops | ^shark_: Does the process still exist when the connections are getting refused? |
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| 15:04.36 | chops | ^shark_: Does compilation work properly on the machine? Have you run a memory test? |
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| 15:06.02 | magowiz | stew, you are right I didn't create a lv , now I created one and give name "root", I also set this lv to / mountpoint. I should use this system as a webserver, what filesystem is better ? is ext3 good for this ? |
| 15:06.20 | stew | magowiz: when in doubt, use ext3 |
| 15:06.25 | chops | jesperj: That's really a cryptobox question, not a Debian question. That said, "you can access the volume's data within your local network via Samba Shares" implies that it will work properly from Windows. |
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| 15:07.07 | ^shark_ | chops: this machine is on vmware player, if it is about memory then i can understand. I have not seen anything in the logs for now that is worth checking out, and i have not dome any memory tests, i dont't even know how!!;) |
| 15:07.14 | magowiz | stew, ok thank you very much, I'm a noob on lvm and in debian in general :) |
| 15:08.01 | ^shark_ | chops: my dig is working well too |
| 15:08.05 | jesperj | Is there something similar that is more tightly integrated with Debian than CryptoBox that is close to it's ease of use? |
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| 15:08.25 | stew | magowiz: you're welcome |
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| 15:08.40 | chops | ^shark_: You can turn up bind's logging level and watch for refused connections, then when you see a refused connection try to find something in the log that gets put there at about the same time; that may lend you a clue. |
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| 15:11.01 | ^shark_ | chops: okay let me see how i can do that, i will get back to you soon ;) |
| 15:11.08 | chops | ^shark_: k |
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| 15:12.24 | magowiz | stew, If I have 100mb circa of ram, what size I should use for swap ? 200mb (twice the ram )? |
| 15:13.04 | abrotman | magowiz: most likely .. if not a little more .. depends what the machine will be doing |
| 15:13.17 | abrotman | (and how much HDD space you have) |
| 15:13.53 | Decepticon | stew how would start-stop-daemon help me run something at startup |
| 15:14.12 | Decepticon | stew i would put @reboot <my start-stop-daemon command> into my crontab? |
| 15:14.22 | magowiz | abrotman, I have (with 2 hd) 8gb of disk space and I will use this machine as a local web-server (for testing my websites before uploading to my real host) |
| 15:14.37 | abrotman | i'd guess 200MB should be fine |
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| 15:14.41 | stew | Decepticon: you'd use it in a script in /etc/init.d. it would be the thing that would drop root privileges for you |
| 15:14.46 | magowiz | abrotman, thanks |
| 15:14.53 | bfremon | hi everyone |
| 15:14.55 | stew | Decepticon: read /etc/init.d/README and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 15:15.05 | abrotman | magowiz: you could also use a swapfile if that's easier |
| 15:15.44 | bfremon | is anyone know how i can determine if the RandR extension of xorg is loaded ? |
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| 15:16.21 | abrotman | the X log is one place |
| 15:16.23 | bfremon | I tried to load it in xorg.conf after installing all the randr packages from unstable, but i have no luck using xrandr |
| 15:16.28 | abrotman | or maybe just try to run xrandr ? |
| 15:16.35 | chops | bfremon: What does xrandr say? |
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| 15:17.07 | chops | bfremon: xrandr -v should be an easy way of checking whether the extension is loaded |
| 15:17.30 | bfremon | chops: Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1280 x 800, maximum 1280 x 800 default connected 1280x800+0+0 0mm x 0mm and after it lists my resolution. |
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| 15:18.05 | chops | bfremon: Sounds like the extension is loaded. What do you mean you have no luck? What do you do and what happens? |
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| 15:18.50 | bfremon | I can not see my DVI output. I'm unable to change any resolution on my lapto LCD screen, nor to control the DVI output... |
| 15:19.03 | chops | bfremon: What X driver? |
| 15:19.07 | magowiz | abrotman, I read somewhere that it's better to place the swap partition at the beginning of a disk, is it right to do so? In this case I will place the swap at the beginning of the second disk |
| 15:19.08 | chops | bfremon: And what version of Debian? |
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| 15:19.22 | bfremon | the xserver-xorg-video-intel one. |
| 15:19.30 | bfremon | chops: unstable |
| 15:19.32 | abrotman | magowiz: it's a test box .. doubt you'll notice that much |
| 15:19.38 | chops | magowiz: Personally I've never found it worth the hassle to use anything other than a swap file |
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| 15:20.24 | stew | hibernate is one reason to use a swap partition |
| 15:20.50 | chops | bfremon: I think you want to set the output in xorg.conf (at least to start to get it working) rather than using xrandr. FWIW the intel driver in unstable is all sorts of broken for me as far as VGA/DVI/LVDS display; it might be worth filing a bug with upstream |
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| 15:21.38 | dexxx | i have debian etch cd atm, if i install it without X and desktopa manager, and then i edit the sources.list changing etch for lenny, i would get a succesfull update right? |
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| 15:21.56 | bfremon | chops: do you think i should downgrade to i810 ? And it's true that with compiz, i had a few random crashes, who totally frozes my computer. |
| 15:21.59 | abrotman | !tell dexxx about etch->lenny |
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| 15:22.03 | abrotman | dexxx: and yes, that should work |
| 15:22.23 | varney | hey. i set up fluxbox and via vnc i am trying to start the bash shell from within, but when i click on it nothing happens...any ideas what's wrong? |
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| 15:22.32 | chops | bfremon: You can read https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11368#c38 for how to set up the monitor outputs in xorg.conf (though that describes how to use VGA instead of LVDS, it should be easy to reverse it to use LVDS instead of DVI) |
| 15:23.11 | bfremon | chops: and i also previously tried to use a clone/xinerama setup with this driver (the old way), and i was unable to get over the native resolution of 1280x800. But i'll try your howto, thanks. |
| 15:23.27 | chops | bfremon: You'll note that the last resolution of that bug is that the upstream developers are claiming that my X server setting 58x160 DPI must be my monitor's fault for not sending any EDID information |
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| 15:24.13 | chops | bfremon: I would file an upstream bug about any behavior that's causing you trouble, but don't hold your breath for it to be fixed (and FWIW the i810 driver recently stopped working for me as well because it's not being kept in sync with core server changes now that the intel driver is the official solution) |
| 15:24.16 | chops | bfremon: Not that I am bitter |
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| 15:24.45 | anirban | Hi I am trying to install debian |
| 15:24.49 | lenin | I had a question |
| 15:24.54 | anirban | but getting DMA time out |
| 15:25.07 | anirban | I think I should disable the DMA? |
| 15:25.13 | chops | bfremon: But certainly filing a bug is the first step towards getting it fixed |
| 15:25.44 | anirban | and it should be installgui dma=nodma in kernel parameter |
| 15:25.52 | lenin | I want to speak with my russian friend but I can not read his messages |
| 15:25.59 | lenin | what I must to do? |
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| 15:26.24 | abrotman | speak to him in polish? |
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| 15:26.33 | lenin | nop |
| 15:26.42 | lenin | I want speak to him in russian |
| 15:26.51 | lenin | I changed keybord |
| 15:26.51 | abrotman | lenin: dpkg-reconfigure locales .. generate russian locales |
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| 15:27.17 | ^shark_ | chops: any nice tutorial that you may have on logging bind, like what files to use, so far i have only managed to find this info >> http://www.unix.org.ua/orelly/networking_2ndEd/dns/ch07_05.htm |
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| 15:27.43 | anirban | I have 4 GB of RAM how much should I set for swap |
| 15:27.54 | sigma_ | how do you use the package clamav-getfiles to generate a deb file? |
| 15:28.26 | chops | ^shark_: Sorry, I don't know one offhand. I could search for one on your behalf and then tell you what I found, but that wouldn't be right :-). |
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| 15:29.16 | ^shark_ | chops: i understand ;) atleast can you tell me what file i can use |
| 15:29.24 | chops | ^shark_: I don't know; I haven't run bind in many years |
| 15:29.48 | ^shark_ | chops: okay let me try to find something on the net and docs |
| 15:29.59 | lenin | Generation complete. |
| 15:30.15 | lenin | could you type me something in russia? cuz my friend log out |
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| 15:32.35 | Mantaar | ÐÑивеÑ! |
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| 15:33.16 | lenin | works |
| 15:33.21 | lenin | and me |
| 15:33.34 | lenin | ÐдÑаÑÑвÑй! |
| 15:33.39 | lenin | DOne? |
| 15:33.52 | Mantaar | Ñ
аÑаÑо! :-) |
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| 15:34.09 | lenin | ;) |
| 15:34.11 | lenin | thnks |
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| 15:34.35 | lenin | how do you know that must I you dpkg**** |
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| 15:34.45 | lenin | I change only locale.gen |
| 15:34.50 | ugu | hello. 1.4.13-4etch7 |
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| 15:35.23 | ugu | oops, the \n.. how do I downgrade from lighttpd 1.4.13-4etch6 to 1.4.13-4etch7 (which doesn't work with ssl)? |
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| 15:36.11 | stew | ugu: that is an upgrade, not a downgrade |
| 15:36.24 | dc2447 | I just upgraded to etch from sarge - now mysql runs with multiple processes rather than a single process and multiple threads - is this because I have borked glibc and it doesn't support NPTL? Any clues? |
| 15:36.34 | Lagbolt | sarge |
| 15:36.36 | Lagbolt | wow |
| 15:36.57 | ugu | stew: I meant 7->6 (today is a busy day..) ;) |
| 15:37.06 | chops | dc2447: How might you have borked glibc? |
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| 15:37.15 | chops | dc2447: My mysql runs in a single process it looks like, FWIW |
| 15:37.30 | stew | ugu: have you checked the bts? are you sure it no longer works with ssl? |
| 15:37.47 | ugu | stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474951 |
| 15:38.33 | stew | ugu: does "apt-cache policy lighttpd" list etch6 as an available version? |
| 15:38.33 | dc2447 | chops: mysqld was running as a single processes with multiple threads - now we have multiple processes after we upgraded to etch |
| 15:38.54 | chops | dc2447: Right, but how would you have botched glibc? |
| 15:38.55 | efaistos_ | did someone alreadyu configure drac cards on poweredge 2850 |
| 15:38.57 | efaistos_ | ? |
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| 15:39.17 | SlayerXP | efaistos_: without a doubt |
| 15:39.32 | ugu | stew: stew 1.4.13-4etch4 is the most recent, but I guess it could be available in a mirror, no? |
| 15:39.33 | dc2447 | chops: is what supoport threading right? A glibc without threading support would result in processes rather than threads? Guessing reaaly? |
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| 15:39.53 | chops | dc2447: That doesn't sound like a good theory to me |
| 15:40.09 | dc2447 | chops: I'm all ears for better ones |
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| 15:40.28 | chops | dc2447: How many processes are running? Is anything else wrong, or does it just worry you? |
| 15:41.11 | dc2447 | chops: 80 processes - yes that worries me |
| 15:41.21 | dc2447 | none of my other mysqld servers do this |
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| 15:41.51 | Teltariat | How do I do set up routing configuration in Debian? |
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| 15:42.18 | ugu | stew: is it okay to install the previous version with dpkg -i from /var/cache/apt/archives? will apt upgrade to 1.4.13-4etch8 nicely later? |
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| 15:42.29 | chops | dc2447: Huh, I'm not sure what to tell you. Mine doesn't do that, but it's not under any significant load. I think it's pretty unlikely that the upgrade just magically went wrong in that way if you did the upgrade correctly. |
| 15:42.43 | chops | dc2447: My pstree -pl shows several processes, but ps -Af shows just a single process |
| 15:42.52 | chops | dc2447: So I'm guessing it's running threaded here |
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| 15:43.21 | dc2447 | chops: for sure - mI have lots of other mysql servers running threaded and have never seen a problem |
| 15:43.23 | chops | dc2447: You might check the mysql logs and/or the documentation (see if it's possible to configure it to run in those different modes, and if so how to do so) |
| 15:43.41 | chops | dc2447: You can also investigate to see if those processes are parented by init or zombies or something else suspicious-looking |
| 15:43.41 | dc2447 | chops: thanks - been there - will go back |
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| 15:45.01 | Brick | I'm having some strange problem with my cron. It's executing some commands correctly, but others are not executed. Like I have this in my cron (http://www.pastebin.be/10332), but it's never executed. A command that is set to run * * * * * is run correctly every minute. |
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| 15:51.32 | monstar-x | error: 'Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)' |
| 15:51.37 | monstar-x | Has someone an idea? |
| 15:51.57 | dc2447 | the password is wrong :) |
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| 15:52.23 | monstar-x | issent wrong i set it 10 seconds bevor |
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| 15:53.06 | monstar-x | mysqladmin -u root password yourrootsqlpassword |
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| 15:55.52 | stew | monstar-x: (using password: NO) means there is a password set but you aren't using one |
| 15:55.58 | stew | monstar-x: what command gave you that error? |
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| 15:56.33 | stew | monstar-x: most likely whatever command you are using just needs a '-p' meaning "prompt me for a password" |
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| 15:57.04 | monstar-x | stew: mysqladmin -h 87.230.15.17 -u root password mypassword , i try this one |
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| 15:57.30 | stew | monstar-x: you need to use -p, not 'password' |
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| 15:58.14 | monstar-x | stew: bad tutorial :-) |
| 15:58.36 | monstar-x | stew: thank you, u know a good mysql fresh install tutorial? |
| 15:59.08 | makdaknife | any good sysadmin types based in london and looking for a job? |
| 16:00.02 | Lagbolt | lol can you move to london? :-p |
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| 16:00.19 | stew | monstar-x: no, sorry |
| 16:00.51 | Lagbolt | monstar-x, like an intro tutorial?there are prob hundreds if you google |
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| 16:01.30 | monstar-x | Lagbolt: just need 1, one good ^^ |
| 16:01.37 | makdaknife | Lagbolt: if you want to... you'll have to hurry though... :-) |
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| 16:01.50 | Lagbolt | monstar-x, something like thi? |
| 16:01.52 | Lagbolt | http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch34_:_Basic_MySQL_Configuration |
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| 16:02.02 | Lagbolt | hurry? desperate? |
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| 16:02.58 | makdaknife | Lagbolt: heh... well.... |
| 16:03.02 | makdaknife | blushes |
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| 16:04.18 | Lagbolt | lol makdaknife well i am finishing up my ph D so not sure i can run off |
| 16:04.30 | steven | is dpkg not alive ? |
| 16:04.33 | rgl | hi. for instaling debian minimal I just need the first cd, correct? |
| 16:04.34 | abrotman | phds can use lol ? |
| 16:04.41 | abrotman | rgl: yes .. or the netinst |
| 16:04.45 | abrotman | steven: dpkg is dead |
| 16:04.52 | monstar-x | Lagbolt: thanks looks good |
| 16:04.54 | abrotman | steven: try aptitude instead |
| 16:04.54 | rgl | abrotman, thx! |
| 16:05.04 | Lagbolt | no prob monstar-x |
| 16:05.15 | steven | I mean the bot :) |
| 16:05.17 | Daveman | :) |
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| 16:05.23 | abrotman | steven: yes .. i know |
| 16:05.25 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 16:05.27 | abrotman | aptitude: hi |
| 16:05.28 | aptitude | niihau |
| 16:05.34 | rgl | abrotman, what do you men that dpkg is dead? |
| 16:05.38 | steven | aptitude didn't say hi bacdk :( |
| 16:05.39 | Daveman | aww |
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| 16:05.41 | Daveman | pook dpkg :( |
| 16:05.42 | rgl | err s,men,mean |
| 16:05.48 | abrotman | rgl: dpkg is a channel bot |
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| 16:05.57 | Daveman | R.I.P. ? |
| 16:05.59 | rgl | abrotman, ah that dpkg heeh |
| 16:06.03 | abrotman | Daveman: vacation |
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| 16:06.07 | Daveman | Ah :D |
| 16:06.21 | abrotman | i'm guessing until don can restart him |
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| 16:08.49 | peleg | what shell jpeg compressor do you know? |
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| 16:09.18 | abrotman | compress from/to what? |
| 16:09.19 | peleg | compressor + resizer |
| 16:09.30 | abrotman | imagemagick can resize |
| 16:09.32 | peleg | jpeg->jpeg, resize + compress to different quality |
| 16:09.32 | cahoot | convert? |
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| 16:09.42 | stew | peleg: mogrify from imagemagick |
| 16:09.48 | peleg | imagemagick. ok, thanks! |
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| 16:10.01 | peleg | stew: what is "mogrify"? |
| 16:10.24 | R1n0 | modify? |
| 16:10.36 | stew | peleg: a commandline tool in the imagemagick package that can do everything you are asking |
| 16:10.37 | cahoot | mogrify |
| 16:10.50 | peleg | cool, thanks! |
| 16:10.52 | rgl | is the glibc from debian stable modified to work with xen? |
| 16:11.28 | azeem | rgl: there's a libc6-xen for i386 |
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| 16:12.59 | dexxx | is dpkg down? :( |
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| 16:13.26 | stew | dexxx: the bot is, yes |
| 16:13.30 | mofino | Is there a simple way to purge unused library packages? |
| 16:13.39 | rgl | azeem: thx. though, I don't find the amd64 version in the repo :/ |
| 16:13.39 | SlayerXP | mofino: deborphan |
| 16:13.41 | stew | mofino: deborphan or debfoster |
| 16:13.48 | mofino | Thanks much! |
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| 16:16.49 | raj__ | hey i'm on some wireless atm |
| 16:17.07 | azeem | rgl: "for i386" |
| 16:17.21 | azeem | rgl: maybe there's no issue with the default libc6 and xen on amd64 |
| 16:17.23 | mofino | Nice, deborphan is slick. |
| 16:17.24 | azeem | dunno |
| 16:17.32 | mofino | deborphan |xargs dpkg -P |
| 16:17.34 | mofino | DONE |
| 16:17.35 | mofino | Thanks again. |
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| 16:19.21 | rgl | azeem: I see. thx. |
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| 16:20.47 | dexxx | abrotman, i remember you told me to check the kernel version that supports my usb internet modem, im going to boot damn small linux from my flash atm, how can i see wich kernel dsl is using? |
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| 16:22.10 | abrotman | dexxx: i told you to check the module that drives the device |
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| 16:22.28 | abrotman | dexxx: google might also be able to help |
| 16:22.57 | stew | dexxx: "uname -r" would tell you the kernel version |
| 16:23.10 | stew | dexxx: 'lsmod' would get you a list of kernel modules that are currently loaded |
| 16:23.12 | dexxx | abrotman believe me its the weirdest modem ever :), what i typein terminal to see the module? im very noob in linux |
| 16:23.25 | dexxx | stew ok i see |
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| 16:24.05 | BREAKIT | i just installed my WLAN using ndiswrapper. and reboot. SO now i can't start debian becouse the xorg has some problem: "fatal server error" |
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| 16:24.32 | dclarke | I have installed ubuntu 7.10 twice yesterday .. then finally installed etch .. everything "just works"(tm) |
| 16:24.38 | Lagbolt | hard to believe ndiswrapper broke X |
| 16:24.43 | stew | BREAKIT: it should tell you the source of the error, like "no screens found" or "no core pointer" |
| 16:24.45 | Lagbolt | what is in xorg log |
| 16:25.19 | dclarke | however ... VMware Workstation is having issues .. wondering what to do about that. it claims error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:25.22 | raj__ | actually i think its u whose lame |
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| 16:25.48 | simonrvn | sighs |
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| 16:26.27 | dclarke | how does one use dpkg etc to locate libX11.so.6 ?? |
| 16:26.38 | stew | dclarke: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 16:26.53 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.57 | dclarke | ? |
| 16:27.05 | stew | dclarke: actually, dpkg is missing, /msg aptitude apt-file |
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| 16:27.37 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:27.48 | stew | dclarke: without the leading space |
| 16:27.50 | Daveman | /msg aptitude for a good time |
| 16:27.50 | dclarke | hrmm .. that does not much |
| 16:27.56 | simonrvn | remove your prefixed space |
| 16:28.01 | dclarke | did that |
| 16:28.02 | stew | aptitude: tell dclarke about apt-file |
| 16:28.04 | dclarke | got nada |
| 16:28.05 | raj__ | simonrvn: well ok |
| 16:28.26 | BREAKIT | lagbolt: well, is it something special in the xorg i should be looking at? the screen before said something about framebuffer |
| 16:28.29 | ks | afternoon to all debianists |
| 16:28.35 | dclarke | actaully .. I got a one line response ... |
| 16:28.43 | dclarke | >aptitude< apt-file |
| 16:28.48 | dclarke | is all I saw |
| 16:28.50 | raj__ | actually i think its u whose lame |
| 16:28.56 | simonrvn | raj__: do you have a debian question? |
| 16:28.58 | stew | raj__: do you have a debian related question |
| 16:29.03 | raj__ | simonrvn: it's hard to be sure |
| 16:29.07 | simonrvn | "who's" |
| 16:29.19 | raj__ | stew: The whole question of whether a submarine can swim." - Edsger W |
| 16:29.20 | stew | raj__: unless you have a debian related question, please either move on, or keep quiet |
| 16:29.27 | simonrvn | i can walk perfectly fine |
| 16:29.35 | raj__ | stew: debian doesnt have to wait for the fast-thinkers back home for teh first time in a free ide for php, i'm in kubuntu |
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| 16:29.58 | ks | how do I setup networking so that it acquires dhcp lease automatically when I add new network device, currently it appears as eth1 ? |
| 16:30.06 | stew | raj__: what? if you are looking for help with kubuntu, ask in #kubuntu, not here |
| 16:30.09 | dclarke | looks for the trap door kick switch for this raj dude |
| 16:30.22 | raj__ | stew: |
| 16:30.33 | stew | dclarke: install apt-file and run apt-file update ; apt-file search filename |
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| 16:30.51 | simonrvn | raj__: i'd suggest counselling |
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| 16:31.01 | dclarke | aptitude install apt-file is running |
| 16:31.02 | aptitude | ...but install apt-file is already something else... |
| 16:31.06 | raj__ | simonrvn: though the same event, he thought; they'd leave traces of physical maturity conspire to put on that field, I get the non-free files, but they won't pay. Standing there in a vacuum; we're part of the cage they're locked inside |
| 16:31.13 | themill | aptitude: shut up |
| 16:31.14 | aptitude | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 16:31.15 | dclarke | done |
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| 16:31.42 | stew | raj__: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic. in the future, please try to stay on-topic |
| 16:31.44 | Daveman | ;p |
| 16:31.48 | simonrvn | @apt-file |
| 16:31.49 | ravenbird | somebody said apt-file was util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo |
| 16:32.24 | simonrvn | \o/ stew |
| 16:32.29 | dclarke | is in awe at the power that simonrvn welds ... with authority. The raven is kinda cool too |
| 16:32.43 | simonrvn | eh? |
| 16:32.43 | ApEtc | nevermore |
| 16:32.52 | damog | gives channel operator from hell to stew |
| 16:32.52 | dclarke | er ... or stew |
| 16:32.56 | simonrvn | ApEtc: :) |
| 16:32.59 | Daveman | stew, shouldn't the channel topic be changed accordingly then, with the recent departure of dpkg, to avoid further confusion and senseless questions? |
| 16:33.20 | azeem | Daveman: it's temporary |
| 16:33.23 | azeem | nothing to panic |
| 16:33.32 | Daveman | Acknowledged. |
| 16:33.34 | themill | &tell xenosoz_ about root |
| 16:33.41 | simonrvn | oh i should switch the @ to ! until dpkg is back, oh, aptitude's on !, right? so never mind |
| 16:33.43 | dclarke | I'm sorry for the senseless questions .. I though that missing libX11.so.6 was a pretty serious condition |
| 16:33.50 | azeem | simonrvn: aptitude's on & |
| 16:33.53 | azeem | &bot |
| 16:33.54 | aptitude | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 16:33.58 | simonrvn | dclarke: not really |
| 16:34.05 | Daveman | ah |
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| 16:34.16 | simonrvn | so, aptitude on ! or my bot? |
| 16:34.20 | dclarke | well ... VMware Workstation 6.0.3 build-80004 wants it |
| 16:34.22 | azeem | simonrvn: none, I'd say |
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| 16:34.56 | themill | simonrvn: even abrotman's worked out not to use ! for the moment.... ;) |
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| 16:35.43 | simonrvn | cool, was proposing to avoid/minimise confusion |
| 16:36.33 | BREAKIT | how can i set a framebuffer in textmode, failsafe, whatever it is? |
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| 16:37.07 | simonrvn | load the appropriate *fb module/ have it built-in |
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| 16:37.56 | dclarke | why does any invocation of aptitude update ( and its brethern ) require that I re-insert the Debian install CD1 ? It asks for "Put CDROM labeled [Debian_GNU/Linux_4.0_r3__Etch__-_Official_amd64_CD_Binary-1_20080217-12:35] in the cdrom device" |
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| 16:38.01 | BREAKIT | simonrvn: sooo how do i do that? |
| 16:38.23 | simonrvn | man modprobe; lspci |
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| 16:38.36 | cahoot | dclarke: your sources.list points to cd |
| 16:38.45 | simonrvn | dclarke: comment out the cd source in sources.list |
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| 16:39.14 | DanglyBits | i want to install wordpress 2.5 and am using lenny..wordpress 2.5 is in sid how do i get that into lenny? |
| 16:39.32 | dclarke | thank you |
| 16:39.37 | cmanns_2 | Download wordpress from the website lol |
| 16:39.42 | ks | any good tutorial on debian networking ? |
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| 16:40.05 | Caelum | ks: man interfaces |
| 16:40.43 | dexxx | debian has vim? i mean to edit text from console |
| 16:41.18 | themill | dexxx: no, in debian we just use ed directly. It's much more hardcore. |
| 16:41.31 | maligor | it's probably take days to list all the console text editors debian has |
| 16:41.42 | chops | themill: I just use dd with offsets |
| 16:41.52 | themill | & win chops |
| 16:41.52 | aptitude | Congratulations, chops! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
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| 16:42.28 | dexxx | nobody really answered my question. does it have it or no? |
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| 16:42.35 | DanglyBits | what repos are used for unstable (sid) ? |
| 16:42.35 | cmanns_2 | of course |
| 16:42.38 | chops | dexxx: Yes, Debian has vim |
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| 16:43.13 | Lagbolt | dexxx, learn to use "apt-cache search" or get synaptics or something |
| 16:43.38 | idimmu | i thought debian no longer included vim because emacs is officially better :x |
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| 16:44.13 | Udaya | can ne 1 tell me how to connect internet in debian os |
| 16:44.17 | Lagbolt | emacs can blow me |
| 16:44.18 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 16:44.28 | peleg | after building myself the ffmpeg, it seems that I have a bug in dvd-slideshow; in the end, after processing everything, it writes "ffmpeg: error while loading shared libraries: libswscale.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" and "ERROR during ffmpeg execution!" |
| 16:44.33 | Lagbolt | i use vi bindings at command line :) |
| 16:44.46 | Lagbolt | my hands never have to leave the home row and i love i |
| 16:44.46 | Lagbolt | t |
| 16:44.51 | ks | Caelum: thanks |
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| 16:45.26 | peleg | this is the first binary file I have ever built; can you give me a direction to where to look for that shared lib? |
| 16:45.45 | chops | & search |
| 16:45.45 | aptitude | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 16:45.52 | makdaknife | slaps idimmu round the head - flambaiting troll! |
| 16:46.01 | chops | peleg: Also, why build it yourself instead of using the Debian package? |
| 16:46.17 | peleg | because it didn't have all the formats available. |
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| 16:46.23 | peleg | that's what #ffmpeg recommended. |
| 16:46.31 | peleg | so I removed ffmpeg, and built it. |
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| 16:46.45 | peleg | (dvd-slideshow worked well before...) |
| 16:46.51 | chops | peleg: Hm... unless it's a patent issue, I would expect that the Debian package would have everything (and that if it doesn't it's worth a bug report) |
| 16:47.00 | peleg | ok |
| 16:47.16 | chops | peleg: It might be in a different package, of course. Also, I'm not really familiar with ffmpeg. What format is it missing? |
| 16:47.17 | peleg | maybe I should do something like aptitude install ffmpeg-fulll or such? |
| 16:47.25 | peleg | x264 |
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| 16:47.32 | peleg | libx264 actually |
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| 16:47.35 | peleg | and libtheora |
| 16:48.12 | chops | peleg: Did you install those libraries? |
| 16:48.13 | ks | can I use allow-hotplug eth0 eth1 or it should be two lines ? |
| 16:48.40 | peleg | chops: yes |
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| 16:48.57 | leOn | hmm .. guys ... is there any way to use apt-get to get a certain package and it's dependencies but no to install them, but rather save the .deb files ? |
| 16:49.05 | Caelum | ks: that should work |
| 16:49.06 | themill | peleg: 264 stuff is on debian-multimedia.org |
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| 16:49.18 | peleg | themill: what do you mean? |
| 16:49.22 | chops | leOn: aptitude download |
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| 16:49.37 | ks | Caelum: thanks |
| 16:49.41 | themill | &tell peleg about dmm |
| 16:49.52 | chops | leOn: See also apt-offline |
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| 16:50.16 | peleg | oh, thanks! |
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| 16:50.38 | chops | peleg: Theora stuff I'm surprised by; if it really doesn't work in the Debian packages, I think that's a bug |
| 16:51.01 | leOn | chops: thanks |
| 16:51.09 | chops | leOn: np |
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| 16:51.20 | benjamindees | does it sound normal for gawk in debian to have a limit on the maximum number of fields in a record? |
| 16:51.53 | chops | peleg: FWIW, you can get x264 support by building the package locally with DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=risky |
| 16:51.55 | grul | how do i check how much memory is in use? free tells me that 400MB is used, which I find hard to believe, since I'm not running any programs other than fluxbox |
| 16:51.56 | peleg | chops: ok; the issue is different now, though. even now, after removing and installing with aptitude install ffmpeg, and aptitude install dvd-slideshow, I get "fmpeg: error while loading shared libraries: libswscale.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory". Maybe I should hash -r or so? |
| 16:52.00 | chops | peleg: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=432170 |
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| 16:52.19 | chops | peleg: Check with debsums; it's possible that a file in some ffmpeg dependency has been overwritten |
| 16:52.25 | benjamindees | I'm getting this error: "awk: program limit exceeded: maximum number of fields size=32767" |
| 16:52.42 | chops | peleg: This is a good reason not to install using 'make install' (see GNU stow and checkinstall for better ways to handle tarball compilations) |
| 16:52.47 | themill | &tell grul about free memory |
| 16:52.58 | benjamindees | but searching the gawk sources seems to indicate this is a "VMS specific kludge" |
| 16:53.13 | peleg | chops: but I thought that aptitude remove should undo all of what I did with make install ... |
| 16:53.29 | themill | benjamindees: do you seriously have more than 32767 records in a line? |
| 16:53.31 | chops | peleg: Not if make install overwrote something that's in a different package in Debian (e.g. libswscale1d) |
| 16:53.49 | leOn | chops: aptitude is doing part of what i want, but apparently it won't handle the download of dependencies as well ... |
| 16:53.53 | chops | peleg: There's no telling what 'make install' will decide to do or how to reverse it |
| 16:53.54 | grul | themill, thanks |
| 16:53.54 | themill | peleg: aptitude can only undo what you did with aptitude. If you installed with make install then aptitude can't do anything about it |
| 16:54.20 | themill | grul: no worries |
| 16:54.23 | peleg | ok, good to know... |
| 16:54.25 | peleg | thanks. |
| 16:54.32 | benjamindees | eww, mawk... heh nevermind |
| 16:54.45 | chops | leOn: See apt-offline, or use apt-rdepends to list all the dependencies and then run 'aptitude download' for all those packages |
| 16:54.55 | chops | leOn: ... is my advice |
| 16:55.05 | benjamindees | themill, yeah I use awk to parse DXF files |
| 16:55.30 | themill | benjamindees: dxf as in autocad drawings? |
| 16:55.40 | benjamindees | yep |
| 16:55.44 | chops | benjamindees: "Doctor, it hurts when I do this..." :-) |
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| 16:56.11 | leOn | think i'll try apt-rdepends for that ... basically i'm trying to be able to download a certain package and deps so i can populate a chroot environment using dpkg -x |
| 16:56.20 | paq7512 | how do i mount an .iso, without burning? |
| 16:56.27 | chops | leOn: Checked debootstrap? |
| 16:56.32 | enouf | paq7512: -o loop |
| 16:56.42 | benjamindees | paq7512, mount -oloop file.iso /mnt/loop |
| 16:56.48 | chops | leOn: That's able to do everything I can imagine not being handlable via running aptitude inside the chroot |
| 16:56.50 | themill | I thought they were a binary thingy.... evidently not. You crazy bastard. Surely there's a better way? |
| 16:57.06 | enouf | paq7512: lsmod | grep loop - if not there, modprobe loop |
| 16:57.29 | enouf | paq7512: add loop to /etc/modules if you want it there every boot |
| 16:58.15 | paq7512 | ty guyes |
| 16:58.18 | paq7512 | guys |
| 16:58.19 | benjamindees | themill, they're ascii text. and awk is a great way :p |
| 16:58.20 | enouf | leOn: erm, depends maybe, rdepends? not |
| 16:58.44 | chops | enouf: The apt-rdepends program can compute both forward and reverse dependencies |
| 16:58.48 | peleg | chos: what debsums should tell me about it? |
| 16:58.50 | leOn | chops: debbootstrap is a killer for what i want, since it's only a partial chroot ... for use with suphp only |
| 16:58.52 | themill | benjamindees: yeah.... I just peeked inside a few of my drawings. Yuck is still the word for it. |
| 16:59.03 | enouf | chops: well, who needs reverse? :-) |
| 16:59.26 | chops | peleg: It'll tell you which of your packages have files in them that may have been overwritten by 'make install' |
| 16:59.33 | themill | benjamindees: What are you trying to extract out of them? |
| 17:00.32 | benjamindees | themill, all sorts of interesting stuff :D |
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| 17:00.58 | peleg | chops: well, all I see is "no md5sums for XXX" and so, + a list of OKs. what should I learn from that? |
| 17:01.09 | themill | benjamindees: I'm just thinking that there are libraries already set up to parse the dxf files that might help you. apt-cache search dxf |
| 17:01.14 | abrotman | dexxx: did you find it ? |
| 17:01.28 | benjamindees | themill, I index them for searching; I quality-check drawing and revision numbers; currently I'm checking for page sizes. |
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| 17:02.13 | chops | peleg: Which packages are missing md5sums? Try sudo debsums -g to regenerate them |
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| 17:02.26 | benjamindees | themill, so I can automate drawing printing and pdf conversion. |
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| 17:02.56 | leOn | apt-rdepends imagemagick|grep Depends|awk '{print $2}'|sort|uniq does it just nice :) |
| 17:02.59 | peleg | chops: ok |
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| 17:03.24 | themill | benjamindees: hmmm.... lucky you. I presume you're changing the record separator in order to get the "too many fields in one record" error? |
| 17:03.27 | ErikRose | Does it strike anyone else as kinda nasty to package default contents in a config dir, e.g. for a package to stick something in its conf.d (or similar) by default? |
| 17:03.50 | chops | ErikRose: That doesn't strike me as nasty. Why would it be? |
| 17:03.53 | abrotman | ErikRose: seems fine |
| 17:03.54 | nyk2005 | I have a fresh install of phppgadmin and I can't login with the user that works when using psql on the command line. What can be the problem here? I checked the howto and made the changes to the config in etc, but still no success |
| 17:03.58 | ErikRose | It causes specific practical problems for me, but I'm just wondering if it gives anyone else the heebie jeebies. |
| 17:04.05 | abrotman | ErikRose: as long as they are reasonable defaults |
| 17:04.13 | ErikRose | chops, abrotman: Thanks. |
| 17:04.13 | stew | ErikRose: it depends on the particular application |
| 17:04.21 | peleg | chops: still, for now - what specifically should I look for? |
| 17:04.27 | ErikRose | I'm doing some heebiejeebie-ish things myself. ;-) |
| 17:04.29 | dryrot | how do i specify 'anywhere' in iptables ? |
| 17:04.50 | benjamindees | themill, yes; I normally use the ' 0' group code as a record separator |
| 17:04.59 | stew | dryrot: by not specifying anything more specific |
| 17:05.01 | xingu | ErikRose: it's not such poor form to self-document the compiled-in defaults (in commented-out config file settings), either |
| 17:05.04 | ErikRose | I'm doing config packages, something like http://debathena.mit.edu/config-packages/, and that framework in particular handles situations like this awkwardly. |
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| 17:05.23 | ErikRose | xingu: I certainly have no problem with that. I like it. |
| 17:05.47 | ErikRose | So I'll do the diverts myself and accept the resulting flames. º |
| 17:05.53 | themill | benjamindees: I'm thinking you're heading towards a little bit of perl to do this, where you can process the file without such limitations. |
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| 17:06.09 | abrotman | ErikRose: spend the afternoon at Otto's .. after that .. who cares! |
| 17:06.30 | ErikRose | abrotman: Are you from State College? We have an Ottos where it |
| 17:06.35 | ErikRose | 's pleasant to spend an afternoon... |
| 17:06.58 | peleg | chops: I get "-bash: sudo: command not found" |
| 17:06.59 | abrotman | ErikRose: i went to school there, lived there for awhile .. i miss DP Dough :) |
| 17:07.00 | dryrot | stew: thank you, that worked |
| 17:07.06 | ErikRose | One of the top microbreweries in the nation, they tell me |
| 17:07.21 | ErikRose | Heh! That's pretty neat. I always enjoy your cluefulness here. :-) |
| 17:07.36 | abrotman | ErikRose: it's okay .. but i haven't been there in ages .. so it's hard to compare |
| 17:07.55 | ErikRose | I'm no beer connoiseur, but I like the menu. |
| 17:08.05 | SpookyET | I've made my first deb. That was freaking complicated compared to pacman packages. |
| 17:08.06 | abrotman | menu? food? in a brewery? :) |
| 17:08.17 | ErikRose | Yeah, actually. |
| 17:08.22 | abrotman | i'm kidding |
| 17:08.30 | ErikRose | GOod beer and good eats |
| 17:08.37 | peleg | chops? |
| 17:08.38 | ErikRose | Some of the best steak in town, truth be told |
| 17:08.51 | benjamindees | themill, I installed gawk so I'm set now :) |
| 17:08.55 | chops | peleg: Well, if you don't have sudo, just run as root, sorry |
| 17:09.04 | abrotman | ErikRose: it's been so long since i went to school there .. the Kenny Rogers Roasters was still there |
| 17:09.12 | chops | peleg: I don't know what to tell you to look for specifically |
| 17:09.20 | ErikRose | Boy, I think that was gone before I arrived, and I've been here 8 years. |
| 17:09.23 | Cromag | abrotman: in copenhagen we have a place called "the brewery" where you can get Kobe meat and stuff.. |
| 17:09.27 | themill | benjamindees: ahh....very good |
| 17:09.33 | peleg | chops: ok, thanks |
| 17:09.44 | chops | peleg: I don't know what 'make install' might have done any more than you do :-) |
| 17:09.50 | Cromag | abrotman: and ofcourse ordinary steaks and loads of beer. |
| 17:09.59 | enouf | likes hand rubbed |
| 17:10.28 | abrotman | ErikRose: i also remember when you could drive all the way from Park Ave to College Ave on Univeristy Dr, which last time i was up is closed down except for buses or something |
| 17:10.37 | Cromag | does not like wallet afterwards.. |
| 17:10.37 | abrotman | is old |
| 17:10.48 | abrotman | oh wait .. not university |
| 17:11.00 | abrotman | Shortlidge |
| 17:11.18 | Cromag | oh well, off |
| 17:11.28 | ^shark_ | chops: i enabled logging and turned on debugging level to 1 and returned nothing thus makes me think everything is okay |
| 17:11.36 | ErikRose | abrotman: Aye, they made Shortlidge pretty much useless now. THey hate cars here. |
| 17:11.39 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:11.41 | ErikRose | Ironically, they keep expanding campus. |
| 17:12.00 | abrotman | i have an old friend that works for the computing services people |
| 17:12.09 | ErikRose | I wonder if I know him/her/it. |
| 17:12.11 | abrotman | CAC .. or whatever ti's called |
| 17:12.12 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 17:12.15 | abrotman | ErikRose: sielge ? |
| 17:12.16 | ^shark_ | chops: i had my rndc.key included in my named.conf.options and later changed it to named.conf, so far everything seeems okay but i dont know if this will last |
| 17:12.18 | ErikRose | It's called CLC this week. |
| 17:12.18 | abrotman | erm .. seigle |
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| 17:12.35 | raj__ | hey i'm on some wireless atm |
| 17:12.48 | abrotman | i thought he was banned? |
| 17:12.57 | ErikRose | I only see two seigles here but recognize neither. |
| 17:12.58 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 17:13.05 | abrotman | ErikRose: i misspelled it the first time |
| 17:13.13 | abrotman | oh .. yes .. |
| 17:13.18 | abrotman | oh .. it is 'ie' |
| 17:13.20 | abrotman | darn it |
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| 17:13.22 | ErikRose | aha |
| 17:13.23 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 17:13.42 | ErikRose | Actually, that does ring a bell. |
| 17:14.20 | abrotman | ErikRose: he says he stays away from "weblion" whatever that is :) |
| 17:14.21 | ErikRose | Ah yes, I've correponded with him about the central backup service. |
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| 17:14.29 | ErikRose | Does he now? :-) |
| 17:14.35 | abrotman | so he says |
| 17:14.36 | ErikRose | *rowr* |
| 17:14.45 | abrotman | dirty junior! |
| 17:14.46 | SamuraiDio | i have a 064e:a101 Suyin Corp. Camera on my Acer Notebook, it seens that i have two options to use it: gspca or linux-uvc. anyone has some idea on with one is better? |
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| 17:15.28 | abrotman | ErikRose: there used to be a DD there .. but i think he's gone now |
| 17:15.44 | ErikRose | A DD? |
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| 17:15.51 | abrotman | &dd |
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| 17:15.52 | aptitude | hmm... dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 17:16.04 | ErikRose | oho |
| 17:16.45 | ErikRose | There might still be, but I probably wouldn't be aware of it. |
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| 17:17.27 | ErikRose | I tend to hide out in my batcave and publish stuff on our wiki, so unless they read it, we wouldn't have connected. |
| 17:17.39 | abrotman | back when the Pond building was home to CSE stuff, full of Sun boxen and VLSI diagrams |
| 17:17.40 | ErikRose | needs to hire a publicist. |
| 17:17.56 | ErikRose | I heard Pond wasn't CSE anymore. I was shocke. |
| 17:17.57 | ErikRose | d |
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| 17:21.09 | makdaknife | cheers! Home time... woot... |
| 17:21.15 | makdaknife | bye everyone |
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| 17:22.17 | ErikRose | leafs through Inside Macintosh Volume III and feels nostalgic. |
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| 17:23.06 | ErikRose | I kinda miss those big paramblockrecs, in a masochistic way. :-) |
| 17:23.09 | pjv | what can i use to convert xvid files to an avi file? |
| 17:23.25 | Lagbolt | lol xvid is codec avi is container |
| 17:23.31 | enouf | xvid == codec, avi == container ? |
| 17:23.31 | Lagbolt | what do you mean pjv |
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| 17:24.33 | pjv | oh i see |
| 17:25.09 | Ergo^ | did lenny reach beta 1 status ? or not |
| 17:25.11 | ErikRose | Gotta love a line that begins: echo "*** OMINOUS WARNING ***: |
| 17:25.29 | chops | Ergo^: I don't think Debian has "beta" status... |
| 17:25.45 | pjv | Lagbolt: so then i would need a converter to mpeg 4? what would you suggest? |
| 17:25.53 | Ergo^ | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2008/20080317 |
| 17:25.57 | stew | Ergo^: the installer did, but not the rest |
| 17:25.59 | themill | Ergo^: beta1 of the installer was releaded |
| 17:26.08 | themill | yeah... what stew said |
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| 17:26.15 | Ergo^ | k got wrong what it means :P |
| 17:26.16 | stew | what themill said |
| 17:26.21 | keith4 | can I go from unstable to lenny? |
| 17:26.23 | kaffien | does webmin exist for debian? |
| 17:26.27 | kaffien | or do i have to get a binary for it? |
| 17:26.29 | keith4 | webmin sucks |
| 17:26.31 | themill | &webmin |
| 17:26.31 | aptitude | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 17:26.33 | keith4 | but it exists |
| 17:26.40 | sepski | !downgrade |
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| 17:27.00 | stew | keith4: there isn't an automated way to downgrade |
| 17:27.01 | kaffien | hahaha ok |
| 17:27.08 | Ergo^ | heh - webmin maybe sucks - but that thingie DTC - suck even more |
| 17:27.17 | Ergo^ | and its in lennys repos |
| 17:27.27 | kaffien | ok hows about something i can use to configure apache with a gui for managment |
| 17:27.29 | keith4 | stew: so if someone changed sources to unstable, and ran 'apt-get update'... it's too late? |
| 17:27.32 | keith4 | no going back? |
| 17:27.41 | Ergo^ | kaffen ispCP - omega - seems good |
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| 17:27.55 | Ergo^ | it installs on lenny end etch without problems |
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| 17:28.02 | stew | keith4: one could point their repositories back to lenny and either wait and hope that eventually newer packages make it onto lenny, or one could try downgrading packages by hand |
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| 17:28.28 | keith4 | stew: ok, thanks |
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| 17:28.38 | chops | keith4: apt-get update is easy to reverse. apt-get upgrade, not so much. |
| 17:28.46 | Ergo^ | errr ... dpkg doesnt want to talk to me :/ |
| 17:28.54 | chops | Ergo^: dpkg is offline |
| 17:28.58 | stew | Ergo^: use aptitude instead |
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| 17:29.16 | Ergo^ | thx ;P |
| 17:29.19 | keith4 | chops: how does one reverse apt-get update? |
| 17:29.33 | chops | keith4: Just edit the sources.list back to lenny and run 'apt-get update' again |
| 17:29.36 | kaffien | Ergo^ where can i get it? |
| 17:29.58 | keith4 | chops: yah, tried that... still seems to have package info from sid |
| 17:30.11 | Ergo^ | kaffien: http://isp-control.net/ - here google would know that |
| 17:30.47 | chops | keith4: What does 'apt-cache policy libc6' say? Use pastebin |
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| 17:31.15 | peleg | chops: I have done "make uninstall" and everything is back to place; though, now - again - I don't have libtheora. |
| 17:31.34 | keith4 | chops: http://pastebin.ca/978552 |
| 17:31.47 | extor | Are there any command line video splitters, that I can use to split a huge AVI file into like 10 little avis, entirely on a shell without a gui? |
| 17:31.49 | stew | keith4: which package info seems to be from sid? |
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| 17:31.57 | chops | peleg: I would file a wishlist bug against the ffmpeg package, then; I don't know of a reason why it wouldn't link with libtheora if it's available |
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| 17:32.12 | peleg | chops: ok, thanks. |
| 17:32.19 | kaffien | Ergo^ any paricular date i should get for this program? theres no 'head' version just daily builds |
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| 17:32.36 | keith4 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/978554 |
| 17:32.43 | Ergo^ | kaffein get latest RC - not nightly |
| 17:32.47 | keith4 | depends on stuff that's in sid, it seems |
| 17:32.58 | tarzeau | extor: mpgtx? |
| 17:32.58 | chops | keith4: Well, sorry, that didn't help... sec |
| 17:33.11 | keith4 | chops: http://pastebin.ca/978554 |
| 17:33.25 | extor | avi |
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| 17:33.43 | stew | keith4: no, that stuff is in lenny |
| 17:33.46 | keith4 | for example, the version of ekiga in lenny seems to be " 2.0.11-2" |
| 17:34.00 | keith4 | but gnome-desktop environment is demanding .... wtf? |
| 17:34.04 | keith4 | wait |
| 17:34.11 | chops | keith4: Can I see your sources.list? |
| 17:34.16 | keith4 | sure |
| 17:34.18 | keith4 | standby |
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| 17:34.30 | chops | keith4: Also, what's 'apt-cache policy gnome-desktop-environment' say? |
| 17:34.40 | stew | keith4: yes, 2.0.11-2 is in lenny, and it says "ekiga (>= 2.0.11)". and 2.0.11-2 >= 2.0.11 |
| 17:34.53 | stew | g-d-e is the same version in sid an lenny anyway |
| 17:35.15 | keith4 | chops: http://pastebin.ca/978557 |
| 17:35.25 | keith4 | stew: yah, i just realized that, as i was pasting it |
| 17:35.29 | PsySine | any suggestions what to do when debian installation can't find one's cd-rom? |
| 17:35.44 | stew | keith4: you might try "aptitude install ekiga" and see why it doean't want to install it |
| 17:35.54 | benjamindees | PsySine, boot from floppy |
| 17:35.56 | PsySine | it on an old laptop 120MHz/32MB/windows 95 |
| 17:35.56 | stew | PsySine: how is the cdrom connected? |
| 17:36.00 | keith4 | chops: http://pastebin.ca/978558 sources.list |
| 17:36.14 | PsySine | benjamindees: there is no floppy drive :( |
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| 17:36.44 | PsySine | stew: i don't know actually. it some drive that can be replaced with a floppy drive is all I know |
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| 17:37.01 | chops | keith4: What happens if you use ftp.us.debian.org instead of the apt-cacher mirror? |
| 17:37.12 | keith4 | chops: good question |
| 17:37.17 | bluequijote | @clima santiago, chile |
| 17:37.20 | keith4 | the problem seems to be with evolution-data-server |
| 17:37.22 | keith4 | http://pastebin.ca/978561 |
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| 17:37.36 | raj__ | hey i'm on some wireless atm |
| 17:37.39 | benjamindees | PsySine, sometimes on old laptops you just have to remove the hard drive and install elsewhere |
| 17:37.42 | PsySine | i managed to get the installation going nly with grub4dos+copying vmlinuz+initrd.gz to hdd |
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| 17:38.16 | stew | raj__: do you have a debian related question? |
| 17:38.29 | PsySine | benjamindees: the connector to the hdd is non-standard :( |
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| 17:38.50 | benjamindees | PsySine, I doubt that |
| 17:39.02 | UserReg_CL | hi... please .. need install vlan |
| 17:39.10 | abrotman | !es |
| 17:39.14 | abrotman | &es |
| 17:39.14 | aptitude | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:39.42 | chops | keith4: 2.22.0-2 is a sid package... can you take apt-cacher out of sources.list, and pastebin the full output of 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update; aptitude install evolution-data-server'? |
| 17:39.58 | chops | keith4: (gtg soon, BTW, sorry) |
| 17:40.00 | keith4 | yah, hold on. autoremoving old crap |
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| 17:40.10 | keith4 | chops: not a problem |
| 17:40.11 | stew | chops: it is also a lenny package |
| 17:40.11 | PsySine | benjamindees: ok i'm not sure actually, but at least the hdd is twice as thick as ordinary laptop hdd:s so I cant put it in my other laptop anyway |
| 17:40.30 | keith4 | PsySine: get a USB kit for that |
| 17:40.40 | chops | stew: It it? http://packages.debian.org/lenny/evolution-data-server |
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| 17:40.51 | stew | chops: sorry i thought we were still talking about g-d-e |
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| 17:41.13 | PsySine | keith4: i want to try other options first :) |
| 17:41.27 | raj__ | stew: what |
| 17:41.37 | keith4 | chops: whoops! stopped NetworkManager. that's it for now! |
| 17:41.42 | benjamindees | PsySine, if it's an ide drive (which it likely is), then you can get a $5 adapter that will connect it to any ide controller. |
| 17:41.44 | keith4 | (working remotely on someone else's box) |
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| 17:42.04 | stew | raj__: do you have a debian related question? so far it seems you don't you just seem to announce that you are on wireless and talk nonsense |
| 17:42.05 | raj__ | stew: uh |
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| 17:42.59 | PsySine | benjamindees: yeah I suppose so... |
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| 17:43.03 | benjamindees | PsySine, or you can try to rig up some sort of file transfer to get the appropriate .iso image onto the hard drive |
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| 17:43.26 | benjamindees | PsySine, or do a net install |
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| 17:43.35 | Homere | hello |
| 17:43.48 | keith4 | or use knoppix |
| 17:43.52 | keith4 | and debootstrap |
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| 17:44.16 | PsySine | benjamindees: i'm thinking about that too, although space is quite limited. net install would maybe be hard because I would have to use some pcmcia wlan card |
| 17:44.22 | Homere | I'm looking for a solution : I need to send to syslog all typed shell commands (SSH / Bash, no local login). Any idea ? |
| 17:44.30 | abrotman | PsySine: depends on the card |
| 17:44.37 | abrotman | Homere: process accounting |
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| 17:44.55 | keith4 | netinstall over wireless = SAD FACE |
| 17:45.14 | Homere | abrotman: thanks, never looked at it |
| 17:45.21 | benjamindees | heh |
| 17:45.23 | PsySine | abrotman: i have an atheros supported by madwifi and soon also a ralink card... |
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| 17:45.42 | PsySine | keith4: is it impossible? |
| 17:46.01 | keith4 | it is, at the least, aggravating |
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| 17:46.13 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:46.31 | keith4 | and you should probably not try it unless a) you know what you're doing or b) there is a damn good reason why you can't just plug in an ethernet cable |
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| 17:47.15 | stew | Homere: install snoopy |
| 17:47.29 | abrotman | i thought that was just for one tty ? |
| 17:47.37 | PsySine | keith4: I don't want to buy a pcmcia ethernet cart just for that :) and besides, I usually know what I'm doing ^^ |
| 17:47.57 | keith4 | how old is this laptop? |
| 17:48.05 | Homere | second question, I'm looking for a WORM solution (Write Once Read Many) for 10 GB/ day (central syslog). |
| 17:48.07 | keith4 | you can ebay a pcmcia ethernet card for $5 |
| 17:48.16 | Homere | (a printer cluster is not possible) |
| 17:48.33 | PsySine | keith4: dunno really, it's made for win 95 and has 120MHz pentium, 32MG ram |
| 17:48.38 | PsySine | MB* |
| 17:49.10 | benjamindees | PsySine, you know the installer won't run in 32mb ram... |
| 17:49.12 | keith4 | Homere: drdb ? |
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| 17:49.35 | xingu | Homere: have you looked at splunk, just out of interest? |
| 17:49.42 | PsySine | benjamindees: the installer starts in low memory mode... |
| 17:49.46 | stew | abrotman: snoopy? no, its ld.preloads and watches ever exec call |
| 17:49.46 | Homere | xingu: splunk doesn't work on Debian AMD64 |
| 17:49.59 | xingu | Homere: it's not a WORM solution, but it does deal with high volume syslog |
| 17:50.00 | abrotman | i must be thinking of something else |
| 17:50.18 | PsySine | keith4: if i manage to boot the businesscard iso, it should have ath5k driver, right? |
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| 17:50.30 | Homere | xingu: I've found Ultrium LTO 3/4 with WORM bands |
| 17:50.39 | PsySine | keith4: at least if there is a businesscard for testing, i think |
| 17:50.42 | Homere | 400 to 800 GB per cardige |
| 17:50.45 | keith4 | PsySine: where do you live? I'll mail you a 3com pc card if you pay shipping |
| 17:51.14 | benjamindees | Homere, DVD-R + intern |
| 17:52.30 | PsySine | keith4: i live in sweden :) thanks for the offer, but i think it would be simpler and faster to buy from a webstore here |
| 17:52.54 | xingu | Homere: seems like a reasonable fit; I'd take a guess that an LTO cartridge will outlast a dvd in terms of shelf life too |
| 17:52.59 | Homere | benjamindees: 4 GB is not enought |
| 17:53.22 | keith4 | dual layer |
| 17:53.25 | benjamindees | Homere, 3x DVD-R + intern |
| 17:54.16 | benjamindees | I think there are plans for a lego cd-changer around somewhere... |
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| 17:55.40 | Homere | stew: many thanks for snoopy, looks great |
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| 17:57.07 | PsySine | does netinstall cd for testing contain iwconfig? |
| 17:57.11 | xingu | Homere: there does seem to be an x86_64 rpm of splunk, have you tried the alien route with it already? |
| 17:57.34 | Homere | xingu: I've tried the tgz version and 32bit .deb |
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| 17:57.50 | xingu | Homere: the only reason I throw it in is that I happen to know that _its_ datastore is compressed which may reduce the size of your problem somewhat |
| 17:58.08 | C00lbynary | hello |
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| 17:58.23 | Homere | xingu: I will certainly use splunk, it was installed on the former server (32 bit) |
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| 17:59.09 | Homere | sylog-ng, stunnel, splunk, lwatch (or a custom log analyser), WORM (LTO, DVD ...) for all logs (100+ servers) |
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| 18:00.58 | xingu | Homere: I'm just snarfing the x86_64 tgz now to have a play with |
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| 18:01.38 | Homere | it needs libcrypto.so.6 (Fedora ...) |
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| 18:02.47 | xingu | Homere: I use it at work on sparc, similar log volumes, highly distributed environment (tiered model, 12 splunk servers in the bottom tier aggregating back to live+dr central sites) |
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| 18:06.12 | xingu | Homere: we have no need for worm though, just spool to "enough" disk (to hold the full archive); we're using emc's suite for offsite backups I believe (not my party) |
| 18:06.48 | abrotman | /invite #party xingu |
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| 18:08.44 | Homere | xingu: I know EMC's solution (snaplock), it's quite to big for my needs |
| 18:10.00 | xingu | Homere: the tgz looks reasonably self contained - libcrypt.so.11 and libcrypto.so.0.9.8 (not sure which you mean); the libs it needs I don't have already are there in ...splunk/lib/ |
| 18:10.15 | xingu | Homere: a bit of LD_LIBRARY_PATH or ld.so.conf magic should sort it |
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| 18:11.39 | Studiosus | In lenny, how can I configure xscreensaver? Can't find config in start menu :( |
| 18:12.00 | xingu | Homere: yep all fired up ok |
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| 18:13.46 | PsySine | benjamindees: you spoke about booting an iso-image which is on hdd, do you know how to do that? |
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| 18:14.45 | PsySine | benjamindees: for ubuntu you can download some special vmlinuz and initrd.gz do do that, but I haven't found anything similar for debian |
| 18:15.20 | Homere | PsySine: casper |
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| 18:16.27 | PsySine | Homere: what is casper? |
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| 18:17.07 | PsySine | suppose It's what I asked for, but google doesn't make me any smarter... |
| 18:19.09 | Homere | PsySine: it's the live-cd system from Ubuntu |
| 18:19.22 | sparr | apt does not seem to honor robots.txt |
| 18:19.31 | Homere | you can boot a CD, image from NFS ... |
| 18:19.32 | sparr | can anyone confirm or deny this? |
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| 18:20.00 | karsten | sparr: Um, why should it? |
| 18:20.24 | stew | PsySine: debian provides hd-install media which does this, check the install guide: /msg aptitude ig |
| 18:20.52 | sparr | karsten: because it is a web bot/spider, by almost any definition |
| 18:21.03 | karsten | sparr: No, it's a package management tool. |
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| 18:21.19 | PsySine | stew: ok thanks :) |
| 18:21.27 | karsten | sparr: It happens to have, among other features, an http transport. It's not a random spidering tool. |
| 18:21.36 | sparr | which downloads a list of files via http, then requests [some of] those files via http. sounds like a spider to me |
| 18:21.49 | sparr | "random" is not a factor |
| 18:21.59 | sparr | many other spiders are very non-random |
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| 18:22.23 | Ace2016 | Hi all, i'm back, in debian sid again, my laptop came back from repair |
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| 18:22.31 | Ace2016 | its going back tomorrow -_- |
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| 18:23.28 | Ace2016 | where are those people who said i was using ubuntu, why can't they ask me to prove i'm in debian sid now when i'm actually on it |
| 18:23.41 | karsten | sparr: Show me where in the apt and/or Debian Policy spec there's any reference to a robots.txt, and in the robots.txt W3C docs where there's any reference to how package management tools should respect robots.txt. |
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| 18:27.04 | jsab | Is there somewhere I can download a prepackaged 2.6.2* kernel? |
| 18:27.35 | jsab | every time I compile my own it dies horribly on startup, and I really need a kernel with wifi drivers |
| 18:28.07 | sparr | karsten: to the former, there isnt, that being the core of my point. to the latter, im having trouble finding a definition of 'robot' in the w3c docs |
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| 18:28.22 | sparr | id say that apt qualifies under section 2 of http://www.robotstxt.org/norobots-rfc.txt |
| 18:28.36 | karsten | sparr: http://www.robotstxt.org/robotstxt.html http://www.robotstxt.org/norobots-rfc.txt http://www.robotstxt.org/orig.html |
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| 18:29.03 | sparr | yes |
| 18:29.08 | karsten | sparr: It's a loose standard, the generally recognized concept is of spiders and search bots which expand their search scope based on links found within a page. |
| 18:29.27 | sparr | isnt that exactly what apt does? |
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| 18:29.33 | karsten | sparr: No. |
| 18:29.36 | stew | sparr: apt doesn't follow hyperlinks |
| 18:29.58 | sparr | stew: i disagree with your strict HTML-centric definition of hyperlinks |
| 18:30.00 | stew | sparr: if you feel that apt not following robots.txt is an error, file a wishlist bug |
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| 18:30.05 | halflife | jsab: which distribution are you running |
| 18:30.10 | stew | sparr: there is nothing anyone here can do about it |
| 18:30.11 | \amethyst | stew: ``automatically traverse the Web's hypertext structure by retrieving a document, and recursively retrieving all documents that are referenced'' (from the first link) doesn't seem to match what apt does |
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| 18:30.19 | karsten | sparr: Apt searches a specific set of archive references, downloads a packages list from there, and uses that package list to select appropriate packages, per resolved dependencies and installation requests, from the archive. |
| 18:30.21 | stew | \amethyst: i agree |
| 18:30.36 | sparr | \amethyst: notice the next paragraph, which allows for non-constant retrieval and such |
| 18:30.39 | karsten | sparr: If you don't want apt to pull stuff, remove the packages files from that site. |
| 18:30.49 | dserban | When I add a secondary interface to a box, it brings up a second default gateway even if it's not defined in the /network/interfaces file. This causes problems as route shows that both gw's are default. I then have to call route dell default gw 0.0.0.0 in order for the box to work again. What can I do on boot to fix this behaviour? |
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| 18:30.54 | karsten | sparr: I'm done. This is a waste of electrons. |
| 18:31.06 | stew | sparr: if you don't want apt to download content from your web server, you can remove the package names from the Packages file, so there is no need for robots.txt |
| 18:31.14 | karsten | dserban: Do you define a gateway in /etc/interfaces for that interface? |
| 18:31.19 | sparr | \amethyst: i sent apt to get a list of files/directories on the server, then i tell it to download one, and it uses the Depends fields to download many, in fashion one might describe as "linking" |
| 18:31.25 | dserban | karsten, no. |
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| 18:31.35 | \amethyst | sparr: that's not `automatically' though |
| 18:31.54 | sparr | stew: i dont care. it only came up because i discovered a repository that disallows all bots, so when i tried to wget a package, it failed. |
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| 18:32.15 | stew | sparr: if you don't care, please drop it |
| 18:32.15 | karsten | sparr: You can tell wget to ignore robots.txt, if you want. |
| 18:32.19 | \amethyst | sparr: when a web browser visits a page with inline images and objects, it uses IMG and OBJECT tags to download many files |
| 18:32.39 | \amethyst | sparr: but that doesn't make it a robot |
| 18:32.52 | karsten | sparr: ... which is an entirely different story, BTW. wget *is* a spidering tool and *does* respect robots.txt by default, IIRC. RTFM. |
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| 18:33.48 | \amethyst | sparr: I could see an argument that a apt-get cron job might be a robot, but I don't see how 'apt-get install foo' or even 'apt-get dist-upgrade' would be any more automatic than, say, firefox checking for updates to extensions |
| 18:34.07 | \amethyst | s/more automatic/more 'robot' behaviour/ |
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| 18:34.38 | Legality | Hi |
| 18:34.51 | Legality | hey, I think my raid1 array is busted. Check this mdstat |
| 18:34.51 | Legality | md1 : active raid1 sda2[2](F) sdb2[1] |
| 18:34.51 | Legality | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.02 | Legality | Which one has dropped out, sda2 or sdb2? |
| 18:35.08 | Legality | AFAIK it's the sda2 |
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| 18:37.09 | dserban | Legality, sda2 |
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| 18:37.42 | Legality | yea, that's what I suspected... Is there anyway to try to resync it or do I have to try to remove and readd the sda2? |
| 18:37.52 | Legality | that freaks me out to be honest :) |
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| 18:38.55 | JoeRocchio | hi |
| 18:38.59 | JoeRocchio | offtopic: |
| 18:39.02 | JoeRocchio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:39.19 | JoeRocchio | no one knows the answer |
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| 18:45.23 | Ace2016 | How do you view smart hard disk info? |
| 18:45.40 | monstar-x | has someone an idea how i can scroll in screen? |
| 18:46.12 | Ace2016 | scroll in screen? |
| 18:46.12 | azeem | monstar-x: ctrl-a ESC to enter copy mode, then navigate with cursor/pgup/pgdown |
| 18:46.14 | action099 | Ace2016 apt-cache search smart to search packages |
| 18:46.23 | action099 | Ace2016 i can't remember the name .. |
| 18:46.27 | azeem | ESC to leave copy mode |
| 18:46.30 | Ace2016 | smartmontools? |
| 18:46.32 | monstar-x | azeem: thank you |
| 18:46.33 | action099 | yep |
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| 18:47.40 | _moro_bana_ | hello fellow debianers* |
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| 18:48.31 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 18:48.36 | ks | how do I enable passing of kernel options ? |
| 18:48.47 | _moro_bana_ | how do i fix synaptic if it does not download packages |
| 18:48.48 | fiXXXerMet | I installed my system using the netinst CD. When it prompted me to setup a mirror, chose "no" because I didn't have an internet connection at the time. Now the system is installed and I have a connection. Which entries should I add to my /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
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| 18:49.11 | ks | so that it is reflected in cat /proc/cmdline ? |
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| 18:50.04 | halflife | fiXXXerMet:http://www.debian.org/mirror/list pick the closest to you |
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| 18:50.27 | Ace2016 | whats the command to view smart info from a hard disk? |
| 18:50.35 | ks | it should be dynamic, not through /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:50.46 | Ace2016 | hddtemp shows the temperature but what about the detailed info |
| 18:50.49 | _moro_bana_ | Ace2016: what is smart info |
| 18:50.55 | kyncani | fiXXXerMet: i think apt-setup can do it |
| 18:51.08 | Ace2016 | the s.m.a.r.t info from the hard drive about how its going |
| 18:51.10 | fiXXXerMet | kyncani: command not found? |
| 18:51.16 | halflife | ks: what do you mean dynamically ? do you mean everytime you boot the system up ? |
| 18:51.35 | action099 | Ace2016 have you tried http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/man/smartctl.8.html ? e.g. smartctl [options] device |
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| 18:51.44 | ks | halflife: i pass it from hypervisor |
| 18:51.54 | halflife | fiXXXerMet:http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 18:51.55 | benjamindees | fiXXXerMet, download and install netselect and netselect-apt manually, then run them to choose the fastest mirror. |
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| 18:52.24 | fiXXXerMet | thanks |
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| 18:53.08 | turdega | Greetings =) |
| 18:53.20 | turdega | I have a question on package management. When installing "foo", "bar" was a dep to get it in. Now I have removed "foo" because I didnt want to use it but "bar" is still somewhere in there. How can i clean up deps that are no longer used? |
| 18:53.39 | azeem | turdega: which version of Debian? |
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| 18:53.51 | turdega | i tried apt-get autoclean but that didnt seem to find anything |
| 18:53.59 | benjamindees | turdega, aptitude remove foo |
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| 18:54.25 | kyncani | turdega: use deborphan or aptitude, deborphan being way more simple if you want a quick solution |
| 18:54.27 | azeem | turdega already removed foo |
| 18:54.27 | turdega | is there an intensive way to scan for unused dep libs, etc |
| 18:54.39 | azeem | turdega: 20:51 < azeem> turdega: which version of Debian? |
| 18:54.53 | turdega | I have etch on the system im trying to clean |
| 18:54.58 | azeem | ok |
| 18:54.59 | turdega | using ubu hardy on this box |
| 18:55.12 | azeem | then either deborphan/aptitude should do, apt will not |
| 18:55.32 | turdega | cool |
| 18:55.40 | turdega | i remember using aptitude back in the day |
| 18:55.47 | Ace2016 | ok thanks, it was as easy as smartctrl -i /dev/sda |
| 18:55.49 | turdega | blue and black ncurses interface thing |
| 18:55.50 | Ace2016 | -ia |
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| 18:56.12 | benjamindees | azeem, hmm I was under the impression that didn't matter |
| 18:56.25 | azeem | benjamindees: for what? |
| 18:56.30 | kyncani | turdega: debfoster, deborphan or aptitude |
| 18:57.01 | UserReg_CL | mmmmmmm |
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| 18:57.11 | benjamindees | azeem: turdega already removed foo |
| 18:57.15 | ks | is this something in kernel config ? |
| 18:57.22 | azeem | benjamindees: but will aptitude remove foo remove bar? |
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| 18:58.02 | turdega | thanks all =) going to attempt deborphan |
| 18:58.07 | nyk2005 | What are the kernel-sources called again on debian? |
| 18:58.37 | benjamindees | azeem, yes? |
| 18:59.10 | kyncani | nyk2005: linux-source or linux-tree i believe |
| 18:59.11 | azeem | fine then |
| 18:59.12 | mquin | nyk2005: linux-source-* on etch an upwards, kernel-source-* previously |
| 18:59.58 | turdega | deborphan doesnt show as many as i thought would actually be orphaned |
| 19:00.20 | azeem | I think it only shows library by default, try deborphan -a |
| 19:00.51 | turdega | ahh cool |
| 19:00.56 | turdega | cheers =) |
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| 19:03.10 | turdega | azeem, checking out orphaner too |
| 19:03.51 | Ace2016 | you know the power cycle issue with hard drives? the one that went on slashdot |
| 19:04.06 | Ace2016 | would disabling smart stop the hard drive from being power cycled? |
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| 19:05.09 | turdega | Ace2016, i remember reading the article |
| 19:05.30 | turdega | Ace2016, it had something to do with the duty cycle or the head parking way too much, yes? |
| 19:05.35 | Ace2016 | yea |
| 19:05.36 | kyncani | Ace2016: you can edit /etc/smart.conf i think and tweak the -b or -B option to 0 or 255, or something related from memory |
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| 19:05.50 | Ace2016 | 255 to disable it |
| 19:05.55 | debianforlife | from grub how to i boot my system right into the initrd? |
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| 19:06.56 | fiXXXerMet | benjamindees: Tried install netselect and netselect-apt but they depend on libc6 2.7-1 and I have 2.3.6 and the latest package seems to be what I have installed (http://packages.debian.org/etch/amd64/libc6/download)? |
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| 19:07.40 | kyncani | debianforlife: you could try removing the root=/dev/.... option, that way the initrd would not know which partition to mount as root, that may (or may not) do the trick |
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| 19:08.01 | benjamindees | debianforlife, I would alter the inittab in the initrd |
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| 19:08.42 | debianforlife | the problem is that it is not finding the root filesystem and after 5 minutes it is trown into the initrd, but i wolud like to get there right away |
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| 19:09.21 | benjamindees | fiXXerMet, you probably got a newer version; what debian version do you have? |
| 19:10.22 | abrotman | fiXXXerMet: you've mixed versions of debian .. which is not a very good idea |
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| 19:10.39 | fiXXXerMet | I didn't mean to. |
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| 19:11.50 | Scurz | hi |
| 19:12.34 | Scurz | at every boot, I've this message : " W: /usr/share/console-log/logpager is not executeable....^[[31mfailed" ; logpager isn't installed, what to do ? # |
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| 19:14.39 | abrotman | Scurz: dpkg -S usr/share/console-log/logpager .. what owns it? |
| 19:14.44 | alexandroos | hello how do I install emerald-theme-manager on debian lenny? i can't find it in the official repositories. |
| 19:15.00 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 19:15.04 | Ace2016 | its not in the official repos |
| 19:15.20 | Ace2016 | what version are you running? etch/sid/ the other one? |
| 19:15.22 | alexandroos | what repos should i use ? |
| 19:15.34 | Ace2016 | depends on the version you are running |
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| 19:15.43 | alexandroos | I'm running lenny, the testing version |
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| 19:15.53 | Ace2016 | oh |
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| 19:17.28 | Ace2016 | deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-lenny/desktopfx/unstable/ ./ |
| 19:17.33 | Scurz | abrotman: "dpkg: *usr/share/console-log/logpager* not found." |
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| 19:17.49 | Ace2016 | add that to your sources, update, search with synaptic and install |
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| 19:18.12 | alexandroos | thankyou so much Ace2016 |
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| 19:18.33 | mike-ekim | Hi, I have a chat application (Skype) that I want to launch multiple instances of. I want each instance of the application to be launched from a different user, that way it retains user data and profile according to the specific user skype launches under, is this possible with Linux? |
| 19:18.42 | even | i'm using a testing version, but want install a package from stable, how do it? |
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| 19:19.02 | mike-ekim | if so, would i have to do an installatoin of skype from each user so it can apply the hidden directory where it contains all application data for every users home directory? |
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| 19:19.19 | fiXXXerMet | Could someone maybe paste what my /etc/apt/sources.list file should look like, after installing amd64 netinst etch and choosing the us debian mirror? |
| 19:19.42 | Ace2016 | alexandroos: direct link to his site, has info you might want to read before installing http://shame.tuxfamily.org/repo/?cat=11 |
| 19:19.48 | stew | fiXXXerMet: /msg aptitude sources.list |
| 19:19.59 | mquin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:20.29 | mike-ekim | right |
| 19:20.30 | Lagbolt | mike-ekim, you can def do that. just "su otheruser" and run it |
| 19:20.46 | benjamindees | fiXXXermet, deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main |
| 19:20.49 | mike-ekim | hm, cause i created a new user, and launched skype, and no ~/.Skype directory was created for the user |
| 19:20.54 | mike-ekim | would I have to do the whole login process? |
| 19:20.56 | Scurz | abrotman: ideas? |
| 19:21.15 | Lagbolt | mike-ekim, if you run from a terminal you can just become the other user and spawn it |
| 19:21.15 | maligor | mike-ekim, usually they're created by the program on first launch |
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| 19:21.25 | sepski | mike-ekim, you must atlest be suse that HOME is set correctly |
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| 19:21.47 | sepski | and writeable by this user |
| 19:21.50 | mike-ekim | hm |
| 19:21.51 | alexandroos | Ace2016, ok that's the unstable version, thanx |
| 19:21.54 | mike-ekim | let me doublecheck that |
| 19:22.01 | mike-ekim | HOME is set, but not sure about write perms. |
| 19:23.11 | deFFuser | hi bros |
| 19:23.13 | deFFuser | Not working gcc on debian 4.0 please help |
| 19:23.38 | mike-ekim | just chowned the dir |
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| 19:23.49 | stew | deFFuser: aptitude install build-essential |
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| 19:24.31 | turdega | I got all those libs and binaries cleaned up now |
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| 19:25.11 | turdega | thanks for the tips guys i ended up using orphaner its a front end for deborphan |
| 19:25.22 | turdega | cheers and thank you =) |
| 19:25.35 | mike-ekim | hm |
| 19:25.41 | mike-ekim | the applucation is not even executing now |
| 19:25.45 | mkl1525 | Hi, have setup quota for the home dir on my server. is there a way to set a default quota for all new created users |
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| 19:26.19 | racquad | Hello everybody! Does anyone know where can I change the default gnome calculator? I have a MS natural keyboard with a shortcut to the calculator but I don't like the gnome's default one. |
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| 19:28.16 | abrotman | racquad: which one do you like? |
| 19:28.24 | abchirk | Anyone knows a extract program for .zip .rar etc. for Gnome? Or some other extractprogram but not ark? |
| 19:29.21 | zshzn | abchirk: unzip, rar. |
| 19:29.21 | mike-ekim | sepski: the application does not =launch at all from the new user |
| 19:29.22 | racquad | abrotman: calcoo. I like RPN style calculators |
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| 19:29.22 | mike-ekim | the application launches from /usr/bin/ |
| 19:29.22 | Lagbolt | file-roller |
| 19:29.22 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 19:29.22 | mike-ekim | i chown that dir by my current user, and the group skypeusers which is the group for the new account i just created, but nothing |
| 19:29.22 | mike-ekim | :[ |
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| 19:30.10 | abchirk | ah cool thx Lagbolt :) |
| 19:30.55 | benjamindees | dpkg, netselect-etch is wget ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netselect/netselect_0.3.ds1-10_i386.deb && wget ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netselect/netselect-apt_0.3.ds1-12_all.deb && dpkg --install netselect_0.3.ds1-10_i386.deb netselect-apt_0.3.ds1-12_all.deb; netselect-apt -o /etc/apt/sources.list.d/netselect etch |
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| 19:32.04 | abrotman | racquad: that's just sick .. |
| 19:32.15 | abrotman | racquad: anyways .. just install it .. should show up in your Accessories i'd imagine |
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| 19:32.17 | benjamindees | dammit dpkg; make me type that again :-/ |
| 19:32.42 | ks | yay barselona-schalke 1:0 !!! |
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| 19:33.21 | racquad | abrotman: Yes, it shows there. But it's just more simplier to strike that "calculator" button on my keyboard than grab the mouse, point at menu button, accessories, calcoo... |
| 19:33.27 | abrotman | benjamindees: dpkg is dead |
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| 19:33.35 | benjamindees | abrotman, I see |
| 19:33.42 | abrotman | racquad: oh! .. does the button do anything right now ? |
| 19:33.42 | cedric3 | hi all i want to use my wifi ipw2200 b ut it not work when i use network-admin it can't have an ip i use dhcp |
| 19:33.52 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 19:33.53 | alexandroos | why isn't update-manager fully localizated on debian lenny? |
| 19:33.56 | abrotman | &ipw2200 |
| 19:33.57 | aptitude | The module is built into the kernel from etch onwards but you need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. See http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200. For sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting> |
| 19:34.05 | abrotman | alexandroos: did you submit your translation? |
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| 19:34.14 | racquad | abrotman: yes, it lauches the default gnome calculator |
| 19:34.24 | abrotman | racquad: check the gnome keyboard settings |
| 19:34.24 | alexandroos | abrotman, no i didn't |
| 19:34.31 | abrotman | alexandroos: now you know why :) |
| 19:34.41 | max|Z | hi, does someone know a way how I can install a 64bit (system/kernel) on a 32bit debian linux? no physical access is available, I already tried to boot a 64bit kernel, but it fails (doesnt detect partitions / rootfs and launches a busybox prompt) |
| 19:34.44 | racquad | abrotman: I checked. I can only change the button, not the program |
| 19:35.53 | cedric3 | i don't know why it not work it was working one time but now it not work :-( |
| 19:35.55 | alexandroos | abrotman, do ihave to submit it? :D |
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| 19:36.01 | bookmark | whatup |
| 19:36.08 | Lagbolt | sup bookmark |
| 19:36.14 | Lagbolt | max|Z, how did you install it? |
| 19:36.17 | benjamindees | max|Z, I suspect you need a 32-bit initrd if you don't have one already |
| 19:36.24 | cedric3 | ii desactivate hotplug but nothink |
| 19:36.45 | bookmark | Lagbolt: well i'm trying to create a loop-aes partition |
| 19:36.51 | cedric3 | if one use ipw2200 |
| 19:37.05 | bookmark | does anyone know how to make a loop-aes partition on sata? |
| 19:37.06 | max|Z | Lagbolt: its the linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 image |
| 19:37.16 | max|Z | benjamindees: sounds interesting, I'll try :) |
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| 19:37.39 | benjamindees | max|Z, er, actually I don't know that that's the problem |
| 19:37.41 | Lagbolt | is that really a 64 bit kern or just a kern with k8 cpu type compiled on 32bit arch? |
| 19:37.52 | stew | that is a 64 bit kernel |
| 19:38.21 | Lagbolt | stew, does it run alright on the 32bit os? i was wondering bout it |
| 19:38.24 | cedric3 | nobody have any idea? |
| 19:38.25 | stew | Lagbolt: yes |
| 19:38.48 | Lagbolt | so what would be the point to running that on 32 bit OS? just the higher memory? |
| 19:38.49 | max|Z | I want to boot a 64bit kernel first and then create a 64bit chroot and install from there a new etch |
| 19:38.58 | stew | Lagbolt: yes |
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| 19:39.25 | Lagbolt | stew, cool, wondered that. unfortunatly i only have 2GB lol |
| 19:39.34 | JoeRocchio | I'm studying a communication between two node sensors with zigbee protocol. Every time that arrive an acknowledgment for the packet transmitted, after 3500-4000 us the output say: "reading a new sensor data". After there is the backoff period that lasts about 700-2000 us and after there is a 2048us of time in witch a packet is sent and the acknowledgment is arrived. There is a message "reading a new sensor data" around every 7000 |
| 19:39.46 | stew | that's a lot of lol |
| 19:40.12 | stew | JoeRocchio: does this have anything to do with debian? |
| 19:40.27 | Lagbolt | :) |
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| 19:40.42 | Lagbolt | JoeRocchio, no kidding, we saw that like 20 mins ago |
| 19:40.57 | JoeRocchio | asd |
| 19:41.00 | JoeRocchio | bye |
| 19:41.02 | JoeRocchio | thanks :) |
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| 19:42.45 | max|Z | hm, using 32bit initrd also fails |
| 19:42.59 | drwahl | i have been having issues with my cdrom drive lately. when insert a cd (lets say to burn an iso image), it seems the user is not able to access the cdrom, so i have to kick k3b off as root. my guess is that the group(s) are messed up. any ideas as how to verify and/or fix this? |
| 19:43.19 | Lagbolt | drwahl, type "groups" |
| 19:43.28 | Lagbolt | that will tell you what you are in |
| 19:44.06 | Lagbolt | then you can also check in /dev and make sure it is in right group as well |
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| 19:44.10 | drwahl | ah, thanks :) didnt know it was that easy. it looksl ike there is a group called cdrom |
| 19:44.17 | mfaraci | is there a way to rebuild apt database? tried apt-get clean, did not help |
| 19:44.22 | drwahl | but my user isnt on that group |
| 19:44.50 | nyk2005 | What are the kernel-sources called again on debian? |
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| 19:45.06 | engla | does debian have anything like gnome goals? Or the only things that are done across the board is policies, not proposals and "nice things"? |
| 19:45.07 | stew | nyk2005: linux-source-$version |
| 19:45.14 | nyk2005 | stew: thanks |
| 19:45.28 | Rat409 | try useradd -g cdrom <username> ? or edit /etc/group |
| 19:45.36 | stew | engla: http://release.debian.org/lenny/goals.txt |
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| 19:45.57 | engla | for example, I'd like debian maintainers to strive towards all applications using ~/.local/ and ~/.config/ and ~/.caches/ |
| 19:46.04 | stew | mfaraci: which database? why do you think it needs to be rebuilt? |
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| 19:46.20 | engla | stew: thanks |
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| 19:46.40 | drwahl | Lagbolt: that seemed to fix it, thanks! |
| 19:47.07 | abrotman | alexandroos: depends on your language i guess |
| 19:47.36 | mfaraci | brokstew trying to install bacula package which worked fine until i installed bacula backport and then removed it, now i cant install bacula in main, broken packages error, ive tried to clean, rm cache ect... still same error |
| 19:48.06 | alexandroos | abrotman, I'm italian |
| 19:48.08 | stew | mfaraci: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 19:48.18 | mfaraci | OK |
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| 19:49.06 | engla | stew: how may I add to this list? I suppose it's not trivial :) |
| 19:49.10 | Scurz | abrotman: oh ? |
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| 19:49.33 | Guerin | yay advocacy troll! |
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| 19:50.12 | stew | engla: you need to convince a release manager it is important. the way to bring it up would probably be a message to http://lists.debian.org/debian-project ; i'd search to see if it has come up before. its definateliy too late in the game for this to be added to the goals for lenny |
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| 19:50.54 | alexandroos | abrotman, i can't believe update-manager hasn't been translated into italian yet |
| 19:51.00 | mfaraci | stew http://pastebin.com/m759db8b4 |
| 19:51.06 | engla | sure, the release date is forecast already and all. but just to get it in somewhere would be nice. thanks again for the pointers, stew! |
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| 19:52.55 | stew | mfaraci: try to individually install bacula-server or bacula-client and see why it doesn't want to install them. if you aren't already, we'd recommend using aptitude. the output of "apt-cache policy bacula{,-server,-client}" would be helpful as well |
| 19:55.18 | mfaraci | stew http://pastebin.com/mc554a36, trying aptitude aswell |
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| 19:58.39 | uberfreak | q |
| 19:58.40 | uberfreak | q |
| 20:01.24 | abrotman | alexandroos: me neither |
| 20:01.40 | alexandroos | abrotman, :D |
| 20:02.42 | mfaraci | stew looks like aptitude is trying, but installing a bunch of packages that im not sure are needed for bacula, should i just let it run? |
| 20:03.54 | Scurz | how to repair a file system ? |
| 20:04.00 | tarzeau | using fsck |
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| 20:05.20 | Scurz | tarzeau: fsck -a /dev/XXX ? is it ok ? |
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| 20:07.34 | Scurz | mm it's not |
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| 20:10.08 | Orion_X11 | Hi. Is there any program to convert mp3 recorded voice into text in debian? |
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| 20:13.49 | Orion_X11 | ? |
| 20:13.58 | mustard | is there a manual way to rip out packages? my pc keeps locking when processing openoffice.org-writer2latex during dist-upgrade or even during "dpkg -P openoffice.org-writer2latex" |
| 20:14.17 | mustard | java keeps starting up and then everything locks up |
| 20:14.32 | stew | mfaraci: sure, just pay attention to what it might want to remove |
| 20:14.36 | timonator | heya; when i run make install (or rather checkinstall, should not matter) as root and play music in amarok (xine engine) at the same time, the sound sometimes hangs for half a second. is there a way to circumvent this problem? run amarok with a lower nice value or something? use another preemption scheme in the kernel? something else? |
| 20:14.39 | benjamindees | Orion_X11, apt-cache search speech recognition |
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| 20:15.26 | stew | mustard: checked the bts? |
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| 20:15.57 | mustard | stew: just doing so, thanks |
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| 20:18.24 | pythonic | approx, apt-cacher or apt-proxy? |
| 20:18.31 | abrotman | the one that works for you |
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| 20:19.22 | timonator | is there a better channel to ask my question? |
| 20:19.24 | pythonic | approx and apt-cacher "can be used as a replacement for apt-proxy"... why? what's wrong with apt-proxy? |
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| 20:19.45 | abrotman | timonator: or run your compile with a lower priority |
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| 20:20.12 | timonator | hm, OK, that's a decent idea, too |
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| 20:20.55 | hjb | Hi. I've got a question about my sql collation... |
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| 20:21.18 | keith4 | &ask |
| 20:21.19 | aptitude | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:21.57 | hjb | I've installed mysql and some web apps using it and eventually phpmyadmin and wondered now, that the collation of all automatically created databases uses as collation "latin1_swedish_ci" |
| 20:22.17 | keith4 | what does that have to do with debian? |
| 20:22.27 | abrotman | the locale? |
| 20:22.28 | keith4 | try #mysql |
| 20:22.31 | hjb | I'm in germany and setted all my locales to either "C" or "de_DE.utf8" |
| 20:23.10 | hjb | keith4 'm running a debian server and used aptiude and debconf and stuff to install it. That's what it got to do with it ;) |
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| 20:23.44 | keith4 | hjb: fwiw, i've seen that, too. it seems that unless a database setup script specifically sets a type, of UTF8, or whatever, then it defaults to latin1_swedish |
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| 20:24.20 | hjb | keith4 I guessed that this is a default. But it seems *very* strange |
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| 20:24.53 | hjb | keith4 But good to knowthat you've also seen that |
| 20:25.02 | keith4 | let me check phpmyadmin |
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| 20:25.23 | keith4 | 10 databases, 8 are "latin1_swedish_ci", two are "utf8_general_ci" |
| 20:25.26 | keith4 | shrugs |
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| 20:25.38 | ohnose | hi, how can I execute arbitrary scripts (as user) when my x session starts up? |
| 20:25.43 | hjb | keith4 You're not located at sweden, are you? |
| 20:25.49 | keith4 | not even close |
| 20:25.55 | ohnose | that is, with any window manager/desktop environment/whatever |
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| 20:26.10 | hjb | keith4 I'm some kind of close, but not too much ;-) |
| 20:26.16 | rmichel | 1 |
| 20:26.21 | hjb | keith4 Feels weird as default |
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| 20:27.36 | keith4 | ohnose: .xinitrc? |
| 20:27.52 | keith4 | hjb: it's never affected anything, that i've noticed |
| 20:28.23 | benjamindees | is there a program that will make a directory tree if it doesn't exist? |
| 20:28.40 | hjb | keith4 as long as the app doesn't rely on the collation order and it differs not much from what you're used to... no. |
| 20:28.51 | ohnose | keith4: does gdm respect that file? |
| 20:28.57 | hjb | keith4 It just cathed my eye |
| 20:29.06 | ohnose | keith4: looks like it's only for startx |
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| 20:29.18 | hjb | keith4 I think when you say it doesn't hurd, i'll just leave it aolone ;-) |
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| 20:29.51 | hjb | benjamindees mkdir -p? |
| 20:30.01 | benjamindees | hjb, durr, thanks |
| 20:30.16 | benjamindees | hjb, I looked right at that manpage before asking :-| |
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| 20:30.28 | ohnose | wonders why it's mkdir -p and not mkdir -r... so much for consistency |
| 20:30.33 | hjb | benjamindees that happens to me a lot of time, so don't worry ;-) |
| 20:30.53 | hjb | ohnose -p for "parent" makes some sense in this context |
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| 20:31.29 | hjb | ohnose creating directories *recursively* would probably not be what you want |
| 20:31.47 | ohnose | hmm |
| 20:32.02 | ohnose | it'd be symmetric to rm -r |
| 20:32.08 | Ward1983 | my wireless connection seems to just stop now and then |
| 20:32.24 | Ward1983 | maybe some sort of standby stuff does this? |
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| 20:32.35 | Ward1983 | how can i find out what causes it? |
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| 20:34.47 | hjb | ohnose Recursion, for me, finishes when there's nothing left.... But with directory creation *you* that the end. Everything in between is created, but nothing *beyond* it |
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| 20:35.03 | hjb | s/that/set/ |
| 20:35.07 | hjb | whatever... |
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| 20:35.32 | markw_ | ok, quick one. amd64 system, etch/lenny install, pinned at etch, did lenny to get some of hte xen stuff. apache2 2.2.3-50vm installed, but if you try to start apache, it apache2ctl segfaults. ldd shows it as statically compiled. anyone seen this before? |
| 20:35.45 | ohnose | haha, oh the pain (note that this is not Ubuntu specific; it's true for Debian too; found this with google): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=99173 |
| 20:35.58 | ohnose | so no definite way to start scripts with x session startup |
| 20:36.01 | ohnose | og the pain |
| 20:36.03 | ohnose | *oh |
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| 20:36.42 | benjamindees | ohnose, I have delved into startx and friends before and they are modifiable, but it's not fun |
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| 20:37.10 | ohnose | benjamindees: also, gdm |
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| 20:37.47 | ohnose | I'm trying to get this right since ever, but never got it... I'm just asking because with the last update, my current way to start X stopped working correctly |
| 20:38.07 | rhineheart_m | hello..in this list of downloadable files.. which one to download? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:38.26 | ohnose | but actually, I'm already thankful my fonts aren't messed up, look different in QT or GTK, or stuff like this |
| 20:38.28 | hjb | I'm having trouble with the latest kernel image from lenny (2.6.24-1) |
| 20:38.37 | hjb | It doesn't boot well on my machine |
| 20:38.44 | ohnose | I can live with this level of brokenness and not-understanding-my-system-ness |
| 20:38.57 | hjb | Chokes up on some commands sent to my Benq DVD burner |
| 20:39.00 | ohnose | hjb: use the one from before that worked |
| 20:39.12 | hjb | ohnose I'm using it right now |
| 20:39.20 | hjb | ohnose But i don't want to be stcked |
| 20:39.32 | cydork | rhineheart_m: if you have decent net connection just get netinstall.. |
| 20:39.35 | ohnose | some future version will probably work again |
| 20:39.36 | hjb | Problem: how can i catch those messages the kernel spits out? |
| 20:39.46 | rhineheart_m | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 "Etch" - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080218-14:15 <<<? |
| 20:39.46 | ohnose | or you just buy a new dvd player |
| 20:39.59 | ohnose | *burner |
| 20:40.01 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: if you have broadband .. we say to use the netinst .. yes |
| 20:40.10 | cydork | rhineheart_m: yes. |
| 20:40.18 | hjb | ohnose I should really do it. a) Benq sucks a lot b) doesn't read and burn CDs anymore |
| 20:40.32 | hjb | ohnose But c) no money to waste ... so, no! |
| 20:40.36 | ohnose | I once had a strange CD burner too... it actually worked in some kernel version, but after some "code cleanup", the driver was broken forever |
| 20:40.49 | rhineheart_m | I got broadband...I had the iso burned already.. with the welcome text with this identity... Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r3 "Etch" - Official i386 NETINST Binary-1 20080218-14:15 . Is it correct? |
| 20:41.13 | hjb | ohnose I should've mentioned that it didn't make any kind of trouble with any other kernel before ;-) |
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| 20:41.24 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: that's fine .. does it boot? |
| 20:41.41 | ohnose | hjb: well, for me, the new 2.6.24 kernel doesn't work _at_all_ on my machine... it just freezes on boot |
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| 20:42.06 | rhineheart_m | I will user it for server with GUI.. accessing by ssh... is it already enough to install the necessary kernel? |
| 20:42.11 | hjb | ohnose good to now that... maybe we'll see an update not to soon |
| 20:42.24 | rhineheart_m | without GUI I mean |
| 20:42.30 | ohnose | hjb: but the kernel is already here for months |
| 20:42.32 | hjb | ohnose Who knows? The problems might be gone then |
| 20:42.58 | ohnose | yeah, probably... open source is like quantum mechanics when it comes to brokenness |
| 20:43.09 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: yes |
| 20:43.10 | hjb | ohnose For month? On lenny? Or on unstable? Or are you talking about the upstream from kernel.org? |
| 20:43.20 | rhineheart_m | abrotman, thank you |
| 20:43.54 | ohnose | seems to be linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 20:44.02 | ohnose | I'll try that kernel again today |
| 20:44.21 | ohnose | currently, my system boots 5 out of 10 times, freezes otherwise |
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| 20:44.30 | ohnose | so I was looking forward to a new kernel |
| 20:44.55 | hjb | ohnose Me too. ut i have to admit that i don't have *that* hard problems :-/ |
| 20:45.06 | hjb | ohnose I hope it's not remote at your case |
| 20:45.09 | ohnose | be happy! lol |
| 20:45.24 | rhineheart_m | is it true that debian is harder to configure than ubuntu. I have ubuntu server already running actually.. |
| 20:45.33 | ohnose | the most strange thing is that the amd64 kernels just work fine |
| 20:45.49 | ohnose | *works |
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| 20:47.02 | hjb | ohnose on what architecture are you? |
| 20:47.40 | ohnose | hjb: x86 |
| 20:48.05 | hjb | ohnose ummh, good to now... I'll check out the amd64 kernel later, than :-D |
| 20:48.13 | ohnose | I think the most important bit here is the motherboard... ICH9 |
| 20:48.34 | ohnose | or P31, whatever is the real chipset name |
| 20:48.49 | hjb | ohnose that might have something to do with it... |
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| 20:49.08 | hjb | ohnose mine is quite much more outdated :-| |
| 20:49.13 | hjb | ohnose via kt333 |
| 20:49.18 | hjb | ohnose or something like that |
| 20:49.33 | lexoplex | How do I set up my frame buffer device to give me a black-on-white console? |
| 20:49.34 | hjb | ohnose but stable, that's why this kernel thingy just makes me nervous :-@ |
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| 20:49.58 | |Dede| | How can I set a certain time & time zone for all users on a Debian Box |
| 20:49.59 | ohnose | hjb: but a dvd burner is a relatively obscure thing, isn't it |
| 20:50.28 | alexandroos | bye all |
| 20:50.31 | hjb | ohnose absolutely. Nothing that is in mainstream usage ;-) |
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| 20:50.48 | hjb | ohnose Or what are you talking about? |
| 20:51.17 | ohnose | hjb: yeah that... more obscure hardware means driver have more bugs, broke more often etc. |
| 20:51.34 | hjb | ohnose I've opened the case recently and cleaned the lenses... It's strange! It looks like some kind of siames between dvd and cd burner :-) |
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| 20:53.00 | hjb | But to get back to work: How can i get those messages the kernel spits out? |
| 20:53.12 | hjb | Are they logged somewhere? |
| 20:53.43 | ohnose | anywhere in /var/log/ |
| 20:53.47 | hjb | Or can i somehow configure them to be logged, even when i reboot with an older kernel version after booting the faulty kernel= |
| 20:53.56 | stew | hjb: dmesg, /var/log/dmesg, /var/log/kern.log |
| 20:54.07 | stew | hjb: /msg aptitude bootlog |
| 20:54.33 | hjb | stew hmm, I'll try that but i'm quite sure they didn't make it so far :-( |
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| 20:54.49 | hjb | stew Sysog and stuff is not started at that point |
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| 20:55.36 | stew | hjb: did they make it far enough to get drives mounted? |
| 20:55.54 | hjb | stew not really. It stucks at probing IDE devices |
| 20:56.11 | stew | hjb: if it doesn't get far enough to mount your drives, it can't write the logs to your drives |
| 20:56.15 | hjb | stew I guess i have to set up a serial line and log it from a nother machine |
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| 20:57.31 | hjb | stew that's what i mean |
| 20:57.39 | hjb | stew no, disk, no log |
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| 21:00.28 | ohnose | wonders if his system will still work after the upgrade from testing -> unstable |
| 21:00.34 | triptec | is there any verison of mplayer without the graphical interface, just need the decode/encode capabilities?? |
| 21:01.37 | foobar8 | triptec: mencoder? |
| 21:01.47 | jelly-home | triptec: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:01.51 | \amethyst | triptec: there's an mplayer-nogui in debian-multimedia |
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| 21:02.13 | hjb | ohnose Good luck! |
| 21:02.41 | ohnose | I'll need it |
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| 21:03.10 | triptec | wma2mp3 |
| 21:03.15 | Inazad | hi there, I want to change my keyboard config... dont get the good one.. how to ? |
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| 21:03.34 | triptec | mencoder, does it manage mp4 and aac aswell? |
| 21:03.37 | Inazad | and also able to cnahge the clock.. not the good one too ;-) |
| 21:03.46 | mans | hello, how do I close pop3 but leave pop3s on ? |
| 21:03.52 | triptec | foobar8: mencoder, does it manage mp4 and aac aswell? |
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| 21:05.00 | curii | greetings. im just playing with xserver and routing connection on other machines. this works for me now, except kdm wont show up on the xserver machine. xlogo works fine for me.. anything i have to configure for kde i maybe forgot? ideas? thank you :) |
| 21:05.44 | triptec | \amethyst: mplayer-nogui.. can't find it, using etch.. |
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| 21:06.48 | foobar8 | triptec: it should handle as input all formats that are handled by mplayer |
| 21:07.19 | mans | hello, how do I close pop3 but leave pop3s on ? |
| 21:07.23 | lexoplex | How do I find out if the frame buffer I use is vesafb and not some other? |
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| 21:08.13 | abrotman | mans: depends on the pop3d .. but likely check the config file .. or just firewall it off |
| 21:08.25 | foobar8 | triptec: mencoder is used to transcode videos (just to be sure this is what you want? no gui?) |
| 21:08.25 | benjamindees | lexoplex, lsmod|grep fb |
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| 21:08.49 | lexoplex | (I never seemed to explicitly configure it; it's the one that comes up when I use a vga=... parameter) |
| 21:08.57 | lexoplex | benjamindees: No result. |
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| 21:09.19 | benjamindees | lexoplex, what makes you think it's a framebuffer? |
| 21:10.13 | abrotman | lsmod | grep fb |
| 21:10.30 | benjamindees | !win abrotman |
| 21:10.31 | lexoplex | benjamindees: Because I use a certain mode number that I looked up in the frame buffer howto, and it works. (vga=316) |
| 21:10.54 | keith4 | benjamindees: lucky for you dpkg isn't here |
| 21:11.18 | keith4 | lexoplex: what does uname -r show? |
| 21:11.33 | abrotman | hardly a win |
| 21:11.45 | lexoplex | keith4: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 21:12.16 | abrotman | a -6- might be good |
| 21:13.04 | lexoplex | What's really more important to me is -- how to I get set up my console to be black-on-white, frame buffer or not. |
| 21:13.52 | kaffien | having some issues with apache i cannot apt-get install or remove anything until i solve this it wont let me remove it because it is 'half configured' |
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| 21:14.29 | abrotman | so finish configuring it |
| 21:14.30 | keith4 | doesn't it tell you what to do? |
| 21:14.37 | triptec | foobar8: yeah, it's for converting audio only on a server where I haven't installed X or anything |
| 21:14.39 | keith4 | like, "dpkg --configure -a" or such? |
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| 21:15.06 | kaffien | apache is broken or not fully installed |
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| 21:15.11 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:15.11 | triptec | foobar8: but where do I get a copy of only mencoder=? |
| 21:15.15 | abrotman | &paste |
| 21:15.16 | aptitude | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 21:15.29 | keith4 | triptec: debian-multimedia |
| 21:15.36 | adama | &seen dpkg |
| 21:15.36 | aptitude | adama: i haven't seen 'dpkg' |
| 21:15.51 | blubberdiblub | lexoplex: with matroxfb it would probably be easy, AFAIR it has an option to invert the colours. otherwise it would probably be kinda hard to do. if you find a way, please do tell me as well :) |
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| 21:18.23 | triptec | keith4: aha, deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main, didn't get it |
| 21:18.58 | keith4 | it wouldn't be any fun if I told you the *entire* answer |
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| 21:25.05 | triptec | thx all... |
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| 21:28.57 | Dummies_freelanc | how do the param baram in menu.lst when use the pach badram for bad memory |
| 21:29.12 | nyk2005 | I have a fresh install of phppgadmin and I can't login with the user that works when using psql on the command line. What can be the problem here? I checked the howto and made the changes to the config in etc, but still no success |
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| 21:32.54 | itchi | Hi, how can i check if the motherboard has pci 2.2 ? |
| 21:33.05 | azeem | why do you need to know? |
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| 21:33.25 | Nyle | itchi, check the chipset specs and mobo info |
| 21:33.26 | itchi | azeem: For a gigabit ethernet card i want to buy |
| 21:33.30 | pgpkeys | itchi: find the mainboard maker and model and check the maker's site |
| 21:33.36 | mbroeker | nyk2005, can you paste /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/pg_hba.conf ? |
| 21:33.36 | pgpkeys | they always have the board specs online |
| 21:33.38 | itchi | Nyle: Well, i don't have it anymore of my P3 |
| 21:33.56 | blubberdiblub | lexoplex: i'm reading up on the kernel sources right now. it's probably just a matter of coding a little program that puts a new palette via the PUTCMAP ioctl of the fb device (drivers/video/fbmem.c drivers/video/fbcmap.c and include/linux/fb.h in the kernel source tree) |
| 21:34.13 | lexoplex | blubberdiblub: Hmm, I definitely have vesafb in action, and it accepted one of the two options I gave it, but it seemed to ignore the one that says to use reverse colors. |
| 21:34.52 | abrotman | &whats my hardware |
| 21:34.53 | aptitude | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 21:35.01 | itchi | Well, i have a few of pc's, will be some hard work then :-s I though there was a trick on the box with some tools |
| 21:35.17 | itchi | abrotman: I tried with lspci -v |
| 21:35.29 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: ok /etc/postgresql/7.4/main/pg_hba.conf at http://pastebin.ca/978852 |
| 21:35.43 | abrotman | itchi: your GbE card only works with pci 2.2 ? |
| 21:36.14 | itchi | abrotman: It seems, but i don't be sure. It will be a D-Link DGE-528T |
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| 21:36.38 | itchi | I still need to buy a switch, some few cards ... But im first checking |
| 21:36.51 | benjamindees | does this apply to the bzip2 in debian? I don't see any updates. https://www.cert.fi/haavoittuvuudet/joint-advisory-archive-formats.html |
| 21:37.26 | stew | benjamindees: /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
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| 21:38.00 | azeem | dpkg is still down, no? |
| 21:38.10 | blubberdiblub | lexoplex: which option are you passing to the kernel? "vesafb:inverse" ? |
| 21:38.18 | themill | benjamindees: did you read the page you posted? |
| 21:38.36 | mbroeker | nyk2005, try to login with psql -U <user> -h localhost <database> does it work? |
| 21:38.53 | lexoplex | blubberdiblub: Yes, I tried both "invers" and "inverse" since I thought "invers" might be a typo |
| 21:39.01 | foobar8 | triptec: mencoder is in the debian-multimedia repository from Christian Marillat, see http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 21:39.15 | \amethyst | benjamindees: bzip2 1.0.5 (which fixes the bug) is in lenny and sid, but not etch |
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| 21:39.28 | benjamindees | themill, sigh, yes; then I closed it; but I shall read it again |
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| 21:39.47 | themill | benjamindees: the page has an entry for "debian" which points to this page: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1455 |
| 21:39.49 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: only without -h localhost. |
| 21:40.18 | \amethyst | themill: that is about libarchive only, not bzip2 |
| 21:40.19 | mbroeker | nyk2005, that's the prob i think |
| 21:40.34 | lexoplex | blubberdiblub: vga=790 video=vesafb:ypan,inverse -- that's what I have now |
| 21:40.38 | nyk2005 | And is there a package containing the kernel .config for the currently running kernel? |
| 21:40.51 | mbroeker | nyk2005, this config works for me with phppgadmin: http://rafb.net/p/l266YE56.html |
| 21:41.01 | themill | \amethyst: won't other vulnerable packages be included in updates to that DSA? |
| 21:41.09 | azeem | nyk2005: it's in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 21:41.57 | DrkShadow | Is there any way to do a memtest while the machine is still running? |
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| 21:42.01 | \amethyst | themill: I would think there would more likely be a new advisory |
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| 21:42.30 | mbroeker | nyk2005, i have seen a standalone package for memtest+ |
| 21:42.32 | blubberdiblub | lexoplex: looks okay, but i have to further investigate, if the inverse variable (which gets set to 1 upon the vesafb reading the "inverse" option) gets utilized at all (in fbcon.c probably) |
| 21:42.43 | ohnose | when I press |
| 21:42.44 | themill | \amethyst: ahh, OK. that wasn't what I was expecting. |
| 21:42.46 | ohnose | oops |
| 21:42.51 | \amethyst | the bzip2 bug is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471670 |
| 21:42.56 | mbroeker | DrkShadow, i have seen a standalone package for memtest+ ( sorry, nyk2005 ) |
| 21:43.01 | ohnose | when I press any key on my numpad (except enter), the key doesn't show up |
| 21:43.29 | nyk2005 | azeem: cool, I hoped it's somewhere there.. :) |
| 21:43.40 | lexoplex | blubberdiblub: OK, thanks! |
| 21:43.41 | blubberdiblub | lexoplex: hmm, looks like it does not. it defines it, but never reads it |
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| 21:43.57 | lexoplex | lexoplex: Oh. :/ |
| 21:44.03 | lexoplex | blubberdiblub, I mean. |
| 21:44.04 | ohnose | according to xev, a line like "XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (67) "g"" shows up, though, but I don't see it on any input line, like in xchat, or any GTK edit field |
| 21:44.33 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: still not working after pg restart |
| 21:44.43 | benjamindees | DrkShadow, looks like 'memtester' package |
| 21:44.47 | ohnose | in xev, for keys that add characters to a GTK edit line, there's also a XmbLookupString line in xev, unlike with numpad keys.... |
| 21:44.56 | abrotman | ah .. the mysterious g-key |
| 21:45.16 | DrkShadow | just saw that.. |
| 21:45.19 | ohnose | looks like xorg's keyboard support is broken just again |
| 21:46.47 | DrkShadow | doesn't appear to work.. it dies almost immediately. |
| 21:46.50 | DrkShadow | lots of output though. |
| 21:47.13 | lontra | anyone know what could be causing my sound to be making loud, frequent sounds (sort of like a helicoptor) when i boot? the sound does not stop ... it happens right after the setting the system clock |
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| 21:48.24 | lastnode | lontra: from the PC speaker, yes? |
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| 21:48.40 | lastnode | (there is no way your soundcard could be making sounds at this point, I think) |
| 21:48.41 | lontra | lastnode: yes |
| 21:48.52 | lontra | lastnode: i have to go and disable it from the bios :( |
| 21:48.53 | mbroeker | nyk2005, but the login process with -h works? |
| 21:49.26 | lastnode | lontra: one second |
| 21:49.34 | ohnose | how do I allow a local (unix) user to connect to my local xserver with xhost? I tried "xhost +username" according to the manpage, but that doesn't work |
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| 21:49.45 | lontra | ok |
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| 21:49.56 | lastnode | lontra: http://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm |
| 21:50.05 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: still no |
| 21:50.21 | \amethyst | ohnose: xhost takes a hostname, not a username |
| 21:50.50 | mbroeker | nyk2005, is postgresql listening on port 5432 at localhost? |
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| 21:51.09 | foobar8 | ohnose: xauth list using the user which has access to the server to list the cookie |
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| 21:51.18 | ohnose | \amethyst: the manpage says "The name can be a host name or a user name."... I also see some more stuff on the manpage (including allowing _all_ local users access), but nothing for unix users |
| 21:51.36 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: it shoudl, it's specifiied in the config |
| 21:51.45 | foobar8 | ohnose: xauth merge, to add a cookie (you would do this as other user) |
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| 21:52.09 | lontra | lastnode: not really like that ... its like a non-stop helicopter after setting up system sounds has occurred |
| 21:52.11 | foobar8 | ohnose: if you just want to stwich the user and still be able to access your x server take a look at sux |
| 21:52.33 | Dummies_freelanc | http://freshmeat.net/screenshots/13048/13232/ |
| 21:52.36 | lastnode | lontra: and this just started? |
| 21:52.42 | Dummies_freelanc | lo puedo usar en debian? |
| 21:52.51 | foobar8 | ohnose: assuming you use cookie authentication (debian default imho) |
| 21:52.52 | lontra | lastnode: i just got this laptop and installed debian on it today |
| 21:52.54 | abrotman | &es |
| 21:52.55 | aptitude | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:52.56 | ohnose | foobar8: hm, not sure if that's what I want |
| 21:53.07 | ohnose | I'll try with xauth |
| 21:53.11 | abrotman | is the spanish or portuguese? |
| 21:53.27 | lastnode | lontra: sorry man, im out of ideas. let's see if anyone else here can help |
| 21:53.37 | abrotman | &info badram |
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| 21:54.34 | mbroeker | nyk2005, ok: it is listening on localhost, your pg_hba.conf use the md5 scheme and your postgresql users store their pwds in md5 too. If these conditions match your enviroment, you must be able to login! |
| 21:54.36 | itchi | bah, i don't get the specs on the Dell site :-( |
| 21:54.47 | foobar8 | ohnose: just copying the .Xauthority file maybe works, too |
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| 21:55.11 | itchi | If someone know if a Dell GX150 and a GX110 have pci 2.2 support ... |
| 21:55.25 | mbroeker | and i need a new "n"-key. |
| 21:55.32 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: somehow it's seems not to be listening... |
| 21:55.37 | abrotman | Dummies_freelanc: that package isn't in debian |
| 21:55.41 | foobar8 | ohnose: and of course you have to set your DISPLAY environment variable or use -display ... |
| 21:55.47 | stew | ohnose: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
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| 21:56.08 | Dummies_freelanc | abrotman: some similar packet? |
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| 21:56.37 | abrotman | Dummies_freelanc: oh .. it's just a patch .. i thought it was an application .. |
| 21:56.46 | ohnose | stew: dpkg didn't send me anything, although I'm registered |
| 21:56.48 | abrotman | Dummies_freelanc: i'm not sure if that's in debian .. check the kernel config in /boot/ |
| 21:56.54 | abrotman | ohnose: dpkg isn't here |
| 21:56.59 | abrotman | &mit-magic-cookie |
| 21:57.00 | aptitude | mit-magic-cookie is, like, 'su user_running_x -c "xauth extract - $DISPLAY" | xauth merge -' or "export XAUTHORITY=/home/<USER_RUNNING_X>/.Xauthority" (either (but not both) will let you run programs under X as root, when X was started by non-root), but xhost +localhost is damned insecure. Setting export XAUTHORITY=/home/$USER/.Xauthority in /etc/profile makes it automatic. 'zless /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz'. Also, see <sshx> |
| 21:57.08 | benjamindees | I'm looking for a program that will compare two image files (PNG, TIFF, whatever) or sets of image files and show me the differences. |
| 21:57.21 | abrotman | benjamindees: diff ? |
| 21:57.22 | ohnose | uuuh that looks complicated |
| 21:57.26 | lastnode | benjamindees: as in file sizes? |
| 21:57.28 | Acxty | Hi guys, I want to create an intelligent phone center. For example when you call a phone number a machine answer and says press 1 for this or press 2 for other thing, veify passwords and all that stuff. Is there a software that runs under linux to create that? |
| 21:57.31 | foobar8 | {stew,abortman}: :-) |
| 21:57.32 | ohnose | X is really successful in making-simple-stuff-horrible |
| 21:57.33 | mbroeker | nyk2005, so check /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/postgresql.conf [ LINE 56 and 76 and ] |
| 21:57.40 | \amethyst | Acxty: asterix |
| 21:57.46 | abrotman | Acxty: he gotit |
| 21:57.52 | \amethyst | Acxty: err, asterisk |
| 21:57.55 | lastnode | Acxty: you're looking for VOIP software + plugins i reckon |
| 21:57.56 | themill | benjamindees: a quick perl script with some perlmagick could do that for you. |
| 21:57.58 | foobar8 | ohnose: i first thought: thats easy - but the eplanation got really long ;-) |
| 21:58.06 | lastnode | what \amethyst said |
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| 21:58.31 | benjamindees | themill, yeah I can piece something together; just wondering if it exists |
| 21:58.33 | themill | benjamindees: there was a thread on the debian-science about that a month or two ago that might have some ideas for you too |
| 21:58.38 | ohnose | also, I don't want to allow root or _any_ user to access the server... just a specific, additional, user |
| 21:58.57 | benjamindees | themill, I've done similar with imagemagick |
| 21:58.59 | abrotman | ohnose: via X or ssh ? |
| 21:59.06 | ohnose | and the fule /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz of course doesn't exist anymore heh |
| 21:59.09 | ohnose | abrotman: X |
| 21:59.13 | \amethyst | ohnose: does xhost +user@ work? |
| 21:59.15 | ohnose | *file |
| 21:59.23 | abrotman | try xorg-common instead |
| 21:59.32 | ohnose | \amethyst: yes! |
| 21:59.35 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: looks ok: http://pastebin.ca/978889 |
| 21:59.57 | ohnose | \amethyst: perfect... and that wasn't even mentioned in the manpage, as far as I can see... blergh |
| 22:00.06 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know how to define an `ip rule add NOT from <ip> lookup <table>` command? |
| 22:00.24 | ohnose | btw. /usr/share/doc/xorg-common/FAQ* doesn't exist either |
| 22:00.41 | Acxty | thanks guys |
| 22:00.48 | Dummies_freelanc | how active the pach |
| 22:00.52 | Dummies_freelanc | badram |
| 22:00.56 | themill | benjamindees: there's compare in the imagemagick suite too |
| 22:01.04 | Dummies_freelanc | con xconfig |
| 22:01.17 | benjamindees | themill, is this what you were talking about? http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-science%40lists.debian.org/msg01817.html |
| 22:01.25 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: and why do you have an newer version? running unstable? |
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| 22:01.45 | mbroeker | i am running testing, nyk2005 |
| 22:01.50 | ohnose | \amethyst: hmm ok... the "xhost +user@" as you said was successful, but it still can't connect... probably needs more work |
| 22:01.56 | abrotman | Dummies_freelanc: spanish or portuguese? |
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| 22:02.03 | themill | benjamindees: yeah. I vaguely remember that there was discussion about image matching software in that thread. But "compare" is probably better for you. |
| 22:02.13 | azeem | spanish |
| 22:02.21 | abrotman | well .. i tried that already .. oh well |
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| 22:02.32 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: ok... so but it should also work with stable.. :) |
| 22:02.36 | themill | abrotman: Argentinian, in fact |
| 22:03.06 | mbroeker | normally true, nyk2005 |
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| 22:03.34 | themill | benjamindees: I presume you've looked over this already, since you were mentioning imagemagick: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/compare.php |
| 22:04.12 | benjamindees | themill, I'm looking now but it's been a while since I used imagemagick |
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| 22:06.03 | vince2010091 | hi ! |
| 22:06.16 | DynamicPink | What is the preferred app for setting up WPA? Is it Open1X or wpa_supplicant? |
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| 22:07.00 | Dummies_freelanc | spanish abrotman |
| 22:07.01 | JoshL | DynamicPink: I don't know about "preferred" but I use wpa_supplicant with the iwl driver with much success. |
| 22:07.04 | mbroeker | nyk2005, set tcpip_socket = true in postgresql.conf and try again |
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| 22:08.12 | DynamicPink | JoshL, I have been trying unsuccessfully to get wpa_supplicant working, but just saw the screen shots for Open1X 2.01. |
| 22:08.22 | benjamindees | thanks, themill; that thread is very helpful |
| 22:08.36 | JoshL | DynamicPink: I've honestly never heard of it, so can't provide much guidance there |
| 22:08.49 | themill | benjamindees: excellent. I'm glad. It's a very handy mailing list on a regular basis. |
| 22:08.53 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: I will... but I did something bad... tried something from a howto (Installing packages), and now I get "Your PHP installation does not support PostgreSQL. You need to recompile PHP using the --with-pgsql configure option." |
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| 22:09.06 | DynamicPink | JoshL, I guess it can't hurt to install both? |
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| 22:09.24 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: I did: apt-get install php5-pgsql libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:09.42 | vince2010091 | <3 hurd |
| 22:09.45 | JoshL | DynamicPink: I'm not sure. I could see them fighting to setup the card if they are both installed so I probably wouldn't recommend it, but I honestly know nothing of how Open1x works |
| 22:10.09 | benjamindees | hey themill; I'm curious do you do CAD on linux? |
| 22:10.23 | DynamicPink | JoshL, thanks for the suggestion. Wish me luck. 8-) |
| 22:11.48 | themill | benjamindees: a little but not on a regular basis. Just quickish sketches for out machine shop to make things for me and only when it needs to be slightly neater than what I can do quickly with pencil and paper. |
| 22:11.54 | kaffien | benjamindees yes you can use QCAD |
| 22:12.15 | themill | benjamindees: and I use qcad for it. I don't need 3D stuff. |
| 22:12.21 | kaffien | but i still prefer autocad |
| 22:12.29 | mbroeker | nyk2005, i have these packages on my pc too |
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| 22:12.35 | themill | benjamindees: well... i do occasionally, but I have used blender for that. |
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| 22:12.59 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: now it's even more broken... only get the php file downloaded... ) |
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| 22:13.21 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: would you use apache or apache2? |
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| 22:13.27 | stew | nyk2005: a2enmod php5 |
| 22:13.30 | benjamindees | themill, I find qcad to be quite a pain. do you know is the commercial version any more functional? |
| 22:13.31 | mbroeker | nyk2005, in such situations purge apache and php5 and perform a fresh installation |
| 22:13.44 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: apache or apache2? |
| 22:14.10 | benjamindees | kaffien, have you used the latest qcad? |
| 22:14.12 | mbroeker | apache2 with the apache-1.3 engine: sounds strange, but php cannot do multithreading |
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| 22:14.37 | _ZeuZ_ | guys, I need to put FTP connections from mi inner network (172.16.0.0/24 ; eth3) to passive when they match a certain site, how can I do it through iptables? |
| 22:14.41 | themill | benjamindees: never used any of them. I don't do it seriously enough to fork out money for it. Also means I have nothing to compare it to to be able to say whether it's good or bad. Quirky, yes, but I got used to it fast enough when I was using it a bit. |
| 22:14.47 | kaffien | benjamindees i havent used it for a while |
| 22:14.56 | kaffien | i needed the ability to turn splines into polylines |
| 22:15.16 | mbroeker | nyk2005, look here: http://rafb.net/p/64mysz50.html |
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| 22:16.55 | mbroeker | nyk2005, the mpm-prefork is the traditional model from apache-1.3 |
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| 22:17.00 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: thanks |
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| 22:18.39 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: doesn't it re-install the config files? I removed /etc/apache*, now it not regenerated after reinstalling using aptitute |
| 22:18.48 | benjamindees | thanks all |
| 22:19.15 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 22:19.25 | mbroeker | nyk2005, purge it all with apitude and reinstall it: don't bother with confmiss options. Reinstall it, don't repair it |
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| 22:20.18 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: but now it's missing after removed and installed |
| 22:20.29 | \amethyst | nyk2005: it assumes that when you manually removed the config file (instead of purging the package), that you wanted it to stay gone, even when you reinstall |
| 22:20.45 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: yes |
| 22:20.45 | \amethyst | nyk2005: debian tracks changes to config files, and removing it is a change |
| 22:21.02 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: I see... now how can I get the default back? |
| 22:21.15 | \amethyst | nyk2005: purging the package tells dpkg to remove the config files and forget all changes to them |
| 22:21.32 | \amethyst | nyk2005: then you can re-install and get the original |
| 22:21.45 | mbroeker | and i think it's the best way after two hours of config file twiddling, nyk2005 :) |
| 22:21.53 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: so purge and remove is not the same! |
| 22:22.09 | \amethyst | nyk2005: correct... the difference is that purging removes the configuration, too |
| 22:22.35 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: cool |
| 22:22.36 | \amethyst | nyk2005: removing leaves the configuration as it was, so you can reinstall the package later and keep your old configs |
| 22:23.00 | Seb | if I have a file in mbox format, and would like to redeliver every mail it contains through procmail, how would I do that ? |
| 22:24.29 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: strange still not working... |
| 22:25.01 | \amethyst | nyk2005: you purged and reinstalled and the config files are still missing? |
| 22:25.06 | \amethyst | nyk2005: oh |
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| 22:25.24 | Miesco | How would I play a DVD that is a .iso? |
| 22:25.24 | \amethyst | nyk2005: the config files are actually in apache2.2-common |
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| 22:25.36 | \amethyst | nyk2005: so *that's* the package you have to purge and reinstall |
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| 22:27.48 | mbroeker | Miesco, mplayer can play isos too |
| 22:27.54 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: I did |
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| 22:28.26 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: and finally just symlink /usr/share/phpphadmin to /var/www or is there a better way? |
| 22:29.05 | Miesco | mbroeker: VLC works |
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| 22:29.22 | mbroeker | nyk2005, apache has Alias, directory and location directives :) |
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| 22:29.56 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: it just opens the php code |
| 22:29.59 | mbroeker | nyk2005, look into /etc/apache2/conf.d/phppgadmin |
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| 22:30.37 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: dont have that |
| 22:30.48 | mbroeker | nyk2005, after purging and installing, chances are good that you need to a2enmod php5 |
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| 22:31.17 | mbroeker | nyk2005, just enter a2enmod and follow the instructions |
| 22:31.27 | Zelta | I have a Debian-related question |
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| 22:32.09 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: php5 doesnt exist it says |
| 22:32.10 | Zelta | If Debian GNU/Hurd and Duke Nukem Forever were in a race to see who would be released first, who do you think would win? |
| 22:32.21 | mbroeker | nyk2005, then it is php |
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| 22:32.34 | lexoplex | I just upgraded to 2.6.18-6-686 (from *-4-*). When I boot the new kernel, my wireless network isn't set up automatically any more. What could be the problem? |
| 22:32.38 | \amethyst | nyk2005: where did this phppgadmin package come from? |
| 22:33.00 | \amethyst | oh |
| 22:33.02 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: aptitude |
| 22:33.03 | \amethyst | pgadmin |
| 22:33.19 | \amethyst | sorry, earlier you said phpphadmin and I was confused |
| 22:33.57 | nyk2005 | sorr |
| 22:33.58 | nyk2005 | y |
| 22:34.24 | nyk2005 | well I think I try again tomorrow... I just don't get it.. :) |
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| 22:36.29 | \amethyst | nyk2005: try this: |
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| 22:36.36 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 22:36.45 | filipe_ | I'm trying to create an ext3 filesystem on my mdadm raid partition and I'm getting the following error: mkfs.ext3: Filesystem too large. No more than 2**31-1 blocks |
| 22:36.45 | filipe_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.55 | filipe_ | According to wikipedia it's possible to have ext3 with 16TB |
| 22:36.56 | \amethyst | nyk2005: ln -s /etc/phppgadmin/apache.conf /etc/apache2/mods-available/phppgadmin.conf |
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| 22:37.03 | SamuraiDio | i have installed some modules to use my webcam, but it requires v4l v2 and i dont know how to install it... |
| 22:37.05 | filipe_ | Is there a way to get this in debian? |
| 22:37.08 | \amethyst | nyk2005: then: a2enmod phppgadmin |
| 22:37.10 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me? |
| 22:37.36 | \amethyst | nyk2005: hm, it might need to be .load instead of .conf |
| 22:37.52 | nyk2005 | ok |
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| 22:38.13 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: but why is php not working? |
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| 22:38.27 | \amethyst | nyk2005: it doesn't know that it's supposed to do PHP in /usr/share/ |
| 22:38.27 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: I mean I HAD it working... :) |
| 22:38.46 | \amethyst | nyk2005: you did a2enmod php5 , right? |
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| 22:39.15 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: I get This module does not exist! |
| 22:39.40 | lontra | omg are eeepcs pieces of shit |
| 22:39.51 | \amethyst | nyk2005: install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 22:40.09 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: it is |
| 22:40.49 | \amethyst | nyk2005: and you don't have the file /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load ? then purge and reinstall it too |
| 22:40.57 | \amethyst | OHH |
| 22:41.06 | \amethyst | you did rm -rf /etc/apache2, didn't you? |
| 22:41.41 | nyk2005 | \amethyst: ok |
| 22:41.44 | \amethyst | you will probably have to purge and reinstall every apache2-related package on your system |
| 22:41.59 | ohnose | ha, got it! "xhost +si:localuser:username" |
| 22:41.59 | \amethyst | because they all put their conf files into /etc/apache2 |
| 22:42.33 | SamuraiDio | how do i install/use v4Lv2? |
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| 22:44.04 | mbroeker | SamuraiDio, v4l-v1 and v4l-v2 are compiled in your kernel, either static or as a module. applications like mplayer(when compiled with support for v4l) can use it in this case. |
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| 22:45.18 | mbroeker | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.35 | SamuraiDio | Init v4L2 failed !! exit fatal |
| 22:45.47 | SamuraiDio | i got this error when trying to use a test application to my cam |
| 22:45.54 | SamuraiDio | luvcview |
| 22:46.16 | mbroeker | so do ls -al /dev/video* |
| 22:46.50 | mbroeker | is your user able to read that character devices? |
| 22:47.08 | SamuraiDio | crw-rw---- 1 root video 81, 0 2008-04-09 14:33 /dev/video0 |
| 22:47.08 | mbroeker | and write SamuraiDio ^^ |
| 22:47.23 | mbroeker | ok your user is in the video group, SamuraiDio ? |
| 22:47.36 | SamuraiDio | yes |
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| 22:47.48 | peterius | does the qt-4 dev tools package contain headers, libs, etc.? |
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| 22:48.32 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: it doesnt re-create /etc/init.d/apache2 after purge / install ! so now I cant even start apache ... :) |
| 22:48.36 | SamuraiDio | mbroeker, yes |
| 22:49.00 | mbroeker | peterius, libqt4-dev: http://rafb.net/p/O0kE4x16.html |
| 22:49.21 | SamuraiDio | Linux video capture interface: v2.00 |
| 22:49.22 | SamuraiDio | uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device Acer CrystalEye webcam (064e:a101) |
| 22:49.22 | SamuraiDio | usbcore: registered new interface driver uvcvideo |
| 22:49.22 | SamuraiDio | USB Video Class driver (v0.1.0) |
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| 22:49.37 | SamuraiDio | i should imagine that.... |
| 22:49.44 | peterius | wow mbroeker, where'd you get that? |
| 22:49.51 | SamuraiDio | sorry by pasting |
| 22:50.11 | mbroeker | peterius, i have asked the black witch behind me :) |
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| 22:50.27 | SamuraiDio | this is my dmesg last lines: http://pastebin.com/d7824c619 |
| 22:50.43 | peterius | mbroerker: where can I get me a black witch |
| 22:50.43 | SamuraiDio | just after install and load uvcvideo module |
| 22:51.04 | mbroeker | peterius, dpkg -L <package> |
| 22:51.42 | peterius | mbroeker: I have this habit of asking questions I already know the answer to... I think I just want some kind of affirmation |
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| 22:52.39 | Silicium | www.opensnom.org - the Open Snom Implementation |
| 22:52.56 | pgpkeys | OK, if I hve to manually update for daylight savings time, then I have to set for UTC-4 rather than -5 for EST/EDT? |
| 22:53.09 | mbroeker | nyk2005, please paste: dpkg -l | grep apache and dpkg -l | grep php5 |
| 22:53.16 | pgpkeys | which means I have to remember to put it back to the right time? that blows |
| 22:53.22 | pgpkeys | doh, sorry. wrong channel |
| 22:53.43 | Zelta | If Debian GNU/Hurd and Duke Nukem Forever were in a race to see who would be released first, who do you think would win? |
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| 22:54.19 | shivamib | !flamebait |
| 22:54.38 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: it says: "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini |
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| 22:55.04 | Zelta | !flamebait |
| 22:55.04 | peleg | coming back with the same issue with ffmpeg: I HAVE libmp3lame, and I have ffmpeg installed using aptitude, and ffmpeg -formats does not show it (nor libtheora, and more...) |
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| 22:55.19 | Zelta | hey penix, are you there? |
| 22:55.31 | Dave_is_sexy | Evening all. I have the best question ever. Can I view a file via terminal as the binary data that is on the disk? |
| 22:55.36 | mbroeker | nyk2005, do aptitude purge apache2-common wait a few seconds answer y and wait. |
| 22:55.54 | \amethyst | err |
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| 22:56.21 | \amethyst | that conffile doesn't come from apache2-common |
| 22:56.47 | mbroeker | but i think that php4 depends on it and will purged too, \amethyst |
| 22:57.09 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: this does nothing... |
| 22:57.24 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: cat ? |
| 22:57.49 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: you want to convert characters to 0x010101010 etc ? |
| 22:57.58 | mbroeker | nyk2005, there are two solutions: you say "hey mbroeker, i am joking right now. it was fun" or you gave me ssh access to your box! |
| 22:58.10 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: Yeah. |
| 22:58.15 | \amethyst | Dave_is_sexy: man od |
| 22:58.36 | \amethyst | maybe xxd too |
| 22:58.51 | streuner | wtf |
| 22:59.19 | Dave_is_sexy | abrotman: nice one. I shall read through this |
| 22:59.42 | abrotman | Dave_is_sexy: no .. you want what \amethyst said |
| 23:00.07 | Dave_is_sexy | oh right yeah. Cheers Amethyst |
| 23:00.15 | streuner | abrotman: How is life today? |
| 23:00.24 | abrotman | blah |
| 23:00.25 | themill | &permasunday |
| 23:00.25 | aptitude | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 23:00.30 | streuner | hm |
| 23:00.35 | dante_2core | hello guys - On my debian unstable box (32bit), the package procps won't install, dpkg dies when trying to make a "backup link of ´./usr/bin/pwdx' before installing new version" |
| 23:00.41 | dante_2core | anyone had that problem too? |
| 23:01.07 | streuner | dante_2core: what does BTS say? |
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| 23:01.31 | streuner | bugs.debian.org/procps |
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| 23:02.10 | peterius | what do you call the experimental debian packages? |
| 23:02.15 | peterius | testing? what's the repository? dev |
| 23:02.16 | abrotman | experimental |
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| 23:02.24 | peterius | I should have known |
| 23:02.27 | abrotman | &experimental |
| 23:02.28 | aptitude | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 23:02.56 | ks | any help on this http://pastebin.ca/978936 ? |
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| 23:03.14 | Spida | ks: its an url. |
| 23:03.21 | Spida | hides |
| 23:03.23 | abrotman | ks: you screwed up compiling your kernel |
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| 23:03.37 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: no matter how many time I purge and install EVERYTHING (apache-common libapache-mod-php4 libzzip-0-12 php4-common php4-pgsql phppgadmin postgresql-doc postgresql-doc-7.4 wwwconfig-common apache-common libapache-mod-php4 libzzip-0-12 php4-common php4-pgsql postgresql-doc postgresql-doc-7.4 wwwconfig-common apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-common), I just don't get no /etc/apache* anymore! |
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| 23:03.43 | streuner | ks: How about to just use an official kernel? |
| 23:03.47 | dante_2core | streuner, can't seem to find my problem yet |
| 23:03.57 | streuner | so file a bugreport then |
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| 23:04.11 | mbroeker | nyk2005, try to install apache2 |
| 23:04.40 | mbroeker | nyk2005, and NOT apache ( 1, 1, 1, 1) |
| 23:04.45 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: I tried this many times already, doen't work |
| 23:04.59 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: I never tried apache (not 2) |
| 23:05.03 | mbroeker | nyk2005, i have queried you |
| 23:05.09 | themill | erm... confmiss? |
| 23:05.13 | mbroeker | can you see that?, nyk2005 ? |
| 23:05.19 | nyk2005 | mbroeker: queried? |
| 23:05.39 | mbroeker | private message in a seperate tab, outside this channel |
| 23:05.49 | jeffwheeler | I'm sure this is asked three times a day, but what's the best way to keep backups with history? I know rsync is great for backups in general, but afaik it is more of a "this is the latest version" thing, rather than "here's the update to an hour's ago, but keep the old version too" |
| 23:06.08 | jeffwheeler | I know OS X's Time Machine uses a Sparse Bundle with hard-links; is there a better solution for Debian? |
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| 23:06.22 | themill | jeffwheeler: rsnapshot is good for that |
| 23:06.32 | ma3x | hi, my /var/cache/apt/partial is missing for some reason |
| 23:06.34 | ma3x | what should i do? |
| 23:06.40 | jeffwheeler | themill: thanks; I'll look at that |
| 23:06.53 | peterius | I can't seem to get the "experimental" respository |
| 23:07.02 | peterius | couldn't stat source list |
| 23:07.48 | streuner | ma3x: apis:/var/cache/apt# ls -l /var/cache/apt/archives/partial insgesamt 4476 |
| 23:08.25 | streuner | apis:/var/cache/apt# ls -ld /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 23:08.26 | streuner | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 41 8. Apr 13:47 /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 23:08.27 | ma3x | streuner, what's apis? and you mean the file has so many lines? |
| 23:08.35 | TwinX | tanner... |
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| 23:08.39 | ks | streuner: this is xen domu that uses host kernel |
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| 23:08.48 | ma3x | streuner, yeah I know it should be there but I don't have it |
| 23:08.50 | ma3x | what do i do now |
| 23:08.57 | streuner | ma3x: so create it |
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| 23:09.06 | ma3x | i did touch partial |
| 23:09.10 | ma3x | no big deal |
| 23:09.14 | streuner | good |
| 23:09.20 | streuner | set the right permissions too |
| 23:09.26 | ma3x | anyway i have older kernel 2.6.18-5 |
| 23:09.35 | themill | ma3x: it's supposed to be a dir not a file |
| 23:09.37 | streuner | that doesnt matter |
| 23:09.46 | peterius | well abrotman, what say you? is experimental not on every repository? |
| 23:09.48 | themill | peterius: you'll need to pastebin the actual error message and your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:10.05 | abrotman | peterius: you shouldn't use it |
| 23:10.15 | ma3x | and im trying to install Package ipw3945-modules-2.6-486 |
| 23:10.15 | peterius | I need the latest version of qt |
| 23:10.20 | peterius | should I just compile from source? |
| 23:10.21 | ma3x | themill, oh |
| 23:10.36 | ma3x | themill, what's in that dir? 4476 files? |
| 23:10.59 | ma3x | anyway like I said I have older kernel 2.6.18-5 and im trying to instal lthis package ipw3945-modules |
| 23:11.05 | streuner | ma3x: its the size of a deb |
| 23:11.18 | ma3x | I mean ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-486 |
| 23:11.22 | abrotman | &tell peterius about kde4 |
| 23:11.23 | streuner | ma3x: size of a deb which interrupted before |
| 23:11.28 | ma3x | that won't work on 2.6.18-5 right? |
| 23:11.35 | ma3x | where can I get ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-5-486 ? |
| 23:11.38 | ma3x | it's not on debian.org |
| 23:11.50 | peterius | abrotman: ah is kde based on qt? I had no idea |
| 23:11.50 | themill | ma3x: you should upgrade your kernel |
| 23:11.56 | abrotman | wtf |
| 23:12.01 | abrotman | peterius: stay away from experimental |
| 23:12.06 | themill | peterius: fail. |
| 23:12.07 | ma3x | themill, I can't right now! it's too complicated, I'm trying to install wireless first |
| 23:12.07 | amphi | heh |
| 23:12.11 | peterius | abrotman: I need the latest qt? |
| 23:12.14 | ma3x | othewise i cant do shit without it |
| 23:12.22 | abrotman | peterius: do whatever you want .. it's not my computer |
| 23:12.23 | ks | ah probably i know what to do, author states "Removed eth* from /etc/udev/rules.d/z45_persistent-net-generator.rules" |
| 23:12.28 | peterius | abrotman, themill, should I compile from source instead of using experimental? |
| 23:12.29 | abrotman | peterius: don't complain when your system is broken |
| 23:12.50 | ma3x | anyway is there a good sample for wireless (for /etc/network/interfaces) using wpa2-aes |
| 23:12.51 | peterius | abrotman: it was broken before because I got the latest gtk, eventually I got sick of the errors and reinstalled OS |
| 23:12.51 | themill | peterius: if you have to ask, then you shouldn't be using experimental. |
| 23:12.58 | ma3x | can someone paste the lines? |
| 23:13.05 | themill | &pastebin |
| 23:13.05 | aptitude | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 23:13.16 | dante_2core | streuner, the package can't be updated and thus not used, hence the bug is critical, right? |
| 23:13.22 | themill | peterius: are you a troll or a random phrase generating bot? |
| 23:13.23 | peterius | damn it, look, this is simple... I need the latest qt to do development work, should I use debian experimental or compile from source, those are the only two options |
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| 23:13.44 | abrotman | you cannot "use" experimental |
| 23:14.03 | abrotman | peterius: quite frankly .. i'd probably setup a VM/chroot and put what i need there |
| 23:14.19 | peterius | abrotman: isn't it just packages that aren't completely checked with the other packages? |
| 23:14.30 | themill | peterius: what do you mean by "latest" qt? |
| 23:14.31 | ma3x | does anybody use wireless with wpa2, if so please paste the configuration from /etc/network/interfaces on pastebin |
| 23:14.55 | peterius | themill: one or two versions later than what's available from non-experimental |
| 23:15.06 | peterius | themill: I would assume experimental has this in the pipeline? |
| 23:15.15 | peterius | themill: why would I be a random phrase generating bot? |
| 23:15.28 | streuner | dante_2core: before you write a bugreport please verify that someone else can verify that too... |
| 23:15.40 | themill | peterius: it's just that you started talking about gtk and went very off the topic we were trying to help you with. |
| 23:15.51 | streuner | dante_2core: will say, someone else has the same issue... |
| 23:16.01 | themill | peterius: well that's in lenny (testing) or etch (stable) -- they are 0 and 1 versions behind the bleeding edge respectively. |
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| 23:16.08 | peterius | themill: it wasn't at all off topic, I was identifying with what abrotman said about screwing up a system by installing packages that aren't recognized |
| 23:16.18 | dante_2core | streuner, I asked here, noone replied so far... |
| 23:16.18 | themill | peterius: whatever. |
| 23:16.48 | dante_2core | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.50 | peterius | themill: well I guess I'm wondering what the difference between "testing" (not experimental?) is and how that's better for my system than compiling from source |
| 23:17.12 | ma3x | can i download packages from snapshot.debian.org directly? (without using apt-get) ? |
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| 23:17.16 | dante_2core | streuner, this ./usr/bin/pwdx is very suspicious - why ./ ? it should be / i'd say |
| 23:17.25 | themill | &tell peterius about testing |
| 23:17.39 | streuner | he's using unstable, IIRC |
| 23:18.11 | ma3x | streuner, what kernel image name should i use for etch for core2duo? |
| 23:18.14 | streuner | dante_2core: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:18.30 | dante_2core | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:18.39 | cafuego | !find bin/pwdx |
| 23:18.43 | themill | ma3x: -686 or -amd64. Your choice. |
| 23:18.52 | peterius | themill: well then I guess if there's a chance of breaking the system I may as well compile from source anyway |
| 23:18.52 | streuner | &info libc6 testing |
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| 23:19.19 | cafuego | stupid bot |
| 23:19.22 | themill | streuner: libc6 is the same in lenny and sid |
| 23:19.30 | themill | aptitude: you're slow |
| 23:19.30 | aptitude | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
| 23:19.31 | streuner | fuck |
| 23:19.42 | aptitude | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-10 (lenny), Packaged size: 4656 kB, Installed size: 11320 kB |
| 23:19.54 | dante_2core | streuner, I have a /usr/bin/pwdx file and that's fine, belonging to procps, says dpkg |
| 23:20.10 | ma3x | themill, what's the difference? |
| 23:20.12 | streuner | dante_2core: can you paste your sources.list into paste.debian.net ? |
| 23:20.28 | dante_2core | streuner, you sure you want that? you'll kill me |
| 23:20.35 | streuner | well |
| 23:21.12 | dante_2core | streuner, http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 23:21.14 | streuner | asked in another channel and didnt get any reponse about procps ... |
| 23:21.16 | themill | ma3x: 686 is a 32bit kernel, amd64 is a 64bit kernel. |
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| 23:21.33 | ma3x | themill, which one do you recommend for c2d machine? |
| 23:21.35 | dante_2core | streuner, http://paste.debian.net/427, sry |
| 23:21.43 | Zelta | what is a better architecture: RISC or CISC? |
| 23:21.44 | ma3x | what's the newest linux-image ? |
| 23:21.54 | themill | ma3x: I use a -686 kernel. |
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| 23:22.05 | lontra | dante_2core: that's quite the sources.list ;) |
| 23:22.17 | ma3x | themill, which one's the latest in stable? |
| 23:22.23 | dante_2core | lontra, yes, I know. and they're a bitch if you don't know how to use them :P |
| 23:22.46 | lontra | sticks with official debian and debian-multimedia |
| 23:22.48 | streuner | dante_2core: forget to write a bugreport :-) |
| 23:23.03 | dante_2core | streuner, why, did you figure out what it is? |
| 23:23.04 | abrotman | Zelta: IIRC all cisc are actually risc now |
| 23:23.09 | abrotman | Zelta: and ask #hardware |
| 23:23.11 | Zelta | orly |
| 23:23.13 | Zelta | okay |
| 23:23.21 | dante_2core | my apt-cache policy says the package is from mirror.switch.ch - which is an official one |
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| 23:23.40 | streuner | dante_2core: no, but with *THAT* sources.list nobody can gurantee that your box explode not the next 50 minutes :-P |
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| 23:24.02 | streuner | no |
| 23:24.09 | shivamib | lol |
| 23:24.15 | ma3x | why does a search of 'linux-image' on packages.debian.org return linux-image-2.6.18-4 as the latest!!! |
| 23:24.20 | dante_2core | streuner, well, that still won't help me fix this problem... I know my sources are weird, but I've gotten that stuff to work for a long time now |
| 23:24.21 | streuner | only ftp.<TLD>.debian.org are official mirrors |
| 23:24.43 | dante_2core | well - mirror.switch.ch is in the debian installer, anyway |
| 23:24.50 | themill | streuner: official "primary" mirrors. |
| 23:25.10 | streuner | without using official sources you cannot get any serious help here |
| 23:25.19 | streuner | themill: true :-) |
| 23:25.26 | dante_2core | oh, and you didn't see my desktop sources.list. you don't want to see them |
| 23:25.41 | dante_2core | streuner, well, I don't get anyone wanting to do an effort, you mean |
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| 23:26.13 | streuner | if someone insane enough to help with this sources.list, just tell him about bobbitt :-) |
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| 23:26.25 | streuner | and experimental ;-) |
| 23:26.25 | lontra | ma3x: you searching in etch? |
| 23:26.33 | ma3x | lontra, yes |
| 23:26.50 | lontra | ma3x: oh do you mean instead of -6? |
| 23:26.57 | ma3x | lontra, yes! |
| 23:27.05 | ma3x | why can't i find the 18-6 one? |
| 23:27.09 | lontra | ma3x: maybe it just hasn't been updated yet? |
| 23:27.10 | themill | &sdn |
| 23:27.10 | aptitude | well, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 23:27.15 | ma3x | lontra, the search? |
| 23:27.18 | ma3x | that's crazy |
| 23:27.26 | ma3x | packages.debian.org should be always uptodate |
| 23:27.28 | streuner | ma3x: why -6? |
| 23:27.39 | ma3x | themill, im not trying to get an old snapshot but the new package |
| 23:27.41 | streuner | ma3x: isnt -5 the latest in etch? |
| 23:27.50 | ma3x | streuner, is it? |
| 23:27.57 | dante_2core | streuner, just wanted to ask if anyone might know what I could try, no offenses ... thanks anyway |
| 23:28.04 | themill | streuner: no, -6- |
| 23:28.09 | streuner | ma3x: ^^^ |
| 23:28.37 | ma3x | themill, why can't i find it in the packages then? |
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| 23:28.44 | ma3x | i searched on packages.debian.org |
| 23:30.13 | streuner | dante_2core: well, we told you "just use official *primary* sources and out of one branch |
| 23:30.13 | garotosopa | Hi. After the last kernel update on lenny (2.6.24-1-amd64), it's taking about 30 seconds on the message "waiting for /dev to get fully populated" or something like this. Can I fix this? |
| 23:30.14 | themill | ma3x: they're there... |
| 23:30.14 | dante_2core | streuner, this won't solve my current problem either, or what do you mean with that, reinstall all system? |
| 23:30.14 | themill | ma3x: http://packages.debian.org/etch/ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 23:30.14 | ma3x_ | themill, not if you search by 'linux-image' |
| 23:30.33 | abrotman | icesword: DO NOT MSG ME |
| 23:30.48 | themill | ma3x_: aren't you looking for ipw3945-modules though? |
| 23:30.51 | abrotman | icesword: i've asked you numerous times .. i didn't read whatever you sent me |
| 23:31.08 | ma3x_ | themill, yes but first i want to install the new kernel |
| 23:31.24 | ma3x_ | i quit the idea searching and installing 2.6.18-5 modules on my old kernel |
| 23:31.29 | icesword | abrotman, still remember our first talk,and i said some chinese to you,that is only the chinese traslation of your name (voice),and i was being rude to you,now i regret,i apologize,i am sorry,and it seems i can do nothing to the debian community in my life,and wish you good luck! |
| 23:31.32 | ma3x_ | first i'll update the kernel and then install the new modules |
| 23:31.54 | ma3x_ | themill, do you know how can i configure wireless? what's the option name to specify the wpa2 key? |
| 23:31.54 | themill | ma3x_: ok... so aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 23:32.13 | abrotman | icesword: that doesn't make any sense .. you can do lots of stuff to help debian |
| 23:32.17 | ma3x_ | themill, yeah and the linux-modules too i guess .... |
| 23:32.22 | themill | one question at a time... one problem at a time. |
| 23:32.27 | streuner | dante_2core: first of all, just read <sid faq> |
| 23:32.30 | ma3x_ | linux-headers i mean |
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| 23:32.43 | icesword | abrotman, i need to do something else.sorry.i have to eat |
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| 23:32.53 | dutchfish | what was the correct syntax for arping a mac adress if possible? i seam to get not an answer atm, if i ping the ip the mac is listed in the arp cache however. |
| 23:32.56 | themill | ma3x_: probably, if you're going to have to compile modules. |
| 23:33.08 | abrotman | icesword: uhm .. okay if you say so |
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| 23:33.45 | abrotman | dutchfish: there is an arp and arpping command |
| 23:34.00 | ma3x_ | themill, ok, i'll do that myself (installing the image and the modules) what about the wpa2 key - how can I specify it in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 23:34.17 | streuner | &sid faq |
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| 23:34.18 | aptitude | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
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| 23:34.35 | themill | ma3x_: you'll need the wpasupplicant package and see man 7 wireless and man 5 interfaces for the syntax |
| 23:35.23 | themill | ma3x_: For that wireless card, you can use network-manager instead. Make sure you've got the firmware and daemon though too. /msg aptitude ipw3945 |
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| 23:35.40 | streuner | dante_2core: and, you could do a simple experimental backport for unstable too |
| 23:35.45 | dutchfish | abrotman, correct me if i am wrong but i thought arp will list the cache or manupulate it. I need just to get the correct ip from a known mac on my lan, i thought this was arping [mac] |
| 23:35.58 | abrotman | dutchfish: arpping ? |
| 23:36.04 | ma3x_ | themill, thanks! |
| 23:36.18 | dante_2core | streuner, I unpacked the debian package and am looking at what could be the problem with the postrm script. |
| 23:36.27 | dutchfish | abrotman, oops, arping? |
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| 23:36.45 | abrotman | dutchfish: close enough |
| 23:36.58 | ma3x_ | themill, thanks! |
| 23:37.08 | themill | ma3x_: no worries. have fun |
| 23:37.13 | dutchfish | abrotman, anyway, i wont work (anymore) what did i miss? |
| 23:37.22 | abrotman | dutchfish: you lazy bum! |
| 23:37.32 | dutchfish | abrotman, sorry? |
| 23:37.33 | ma3x_ | themill, one more thing - is there a guide for intel's graphics setup (gma x3100)? |
| 23:37.41 | abrotman | dutchfish: what doesn't work? you said "i" don't work |
| 23:38.02 | dutchfish | abrotman, my mistake no i but it wont work anymore |
| 23:38.11 | abrotman | what is "it" |
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| 23:38.45 | dutchfish | abrotman, eliza (no really) but i meant arping [mac] wont give me replies |
| 23:38.58 | abrotman | dutchfish: i thought it did .. let me look |
| 23:39.04 | themill | ma3x_: no idea. |
| 23:39.28 | ma3x_ | but what's x.org's intel driver called in the xorg.conf file - 'intel' ? |
| 23:39.43 | themill | dutchfish: -I interface is required. |
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| 23:40.25 | abrotman | dutchfish: you're supposed to be able to ping via MAC |
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| 23:40.35 | dutchfish | arping -I eth0 00:16:3e:42:eb:a7 gives 5 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% unanswered but arping [ip] does work |
| 23:40.41 | abrotman | right |
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| 23:41.07 | peterius | arp is going away with ip6 right? |
| 23:41.10 | abrotman | eh .. -a is an annoying option |
| 23:41.38 | dutchfish | abrotman, should give my example replies? |
| 23:41.44 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 23:43.41 | abrotman | dutchfish: yep .. i'm confused |
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| 23:44.16 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes me too, i thought arping -I [interface] [MAC] should work |
| 23:44.33 | abrotman | seems like it should |
| 23:44.42 | themill | I thought arping wanted the IP addr not the MAC. arping -h implies that is the case |
| 23:44.49 | dutchfish | abrotman, or did i make syntax mistakes? |
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| 23:45.08 | dutchfish | themill, -h? |
| 23:45.53 | abrotman | themill: the man page implies any should be usable .. of host/ip/mac |
| 23:46.10 | dutchfish | abrotman, correct |
| 23:46.11 | themill | abrotman: you managed to read more into it than me then :) |
| 23:47.19 | dutchfish | from the manpage: <quote> When pinging a MAC address a directed broadcast ICMP Echo request is sent.</quote> |
| 23:47.50 | abrotman | dutchfish: FWIW .. i can't even ping my own interface |
| 23:48.17 | dutchfish | abrotman, and not only that, i cant even arping my localhost |
| 23:48.20 | themill | istr that there are several different versions of arping in the archive... (my man page doesn't have that comment in it) |
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| 23:48.25 | dutchfish | abrotman, mmfff |
| 23:48.35 | abrotman | exactly! |
| 23:49.06 | dutchfish | !info arping |
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| 23:49.19 | dutchfish | !info arping etch |
| 23:49.26 | themill | dutchfish: dpkg isn't hre |
| 23:49.30 | themill | *here |
| 23:49.38 | themill | &info arping |
| 23:49.40 | aptitude | arping: (sends IP and/or ARP pings (to the MAC address)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.05-2 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 23:49.44 | themill | &info iputils-arping |
| 23:49.47 | aptitude | iputils-arping: (Tool to send ICMP echo requests to an ARP address), section net, is extra. Version: 3:20071127-1 (sid), Packaged size: 21 kB, Installed size: 72 kB |
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| 23:50.13 | dutchfish | ye si have the same version |
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| 23:50.20 | themill | I have the latter of the two. |
| 23:50.49 | abrotman | i tried the first |
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| 23:53.14 | dante_2core | streuner, stuff's working again. |
| 23:53.27 | dante_2core | aptitude reinstalled the package, then upgraded, worked fine. |
| 23:53.47 | streuner | well, that doesnt make fun much |
| 23:54.00 | dante_2core | streuner, what do you mean? |
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| 23:54.13 | streuner | you dont have support (BTS) and in every case you have to fix that for your own |
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| 23:54.51 | streuner | would think about, what big advantages that has, a few packages which are experimental and all the fuss |
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| 23:55.38 | dante_2core | streuner, well I did fix it, and fixed it for me. I know I don't have support, and the reason I asked here is because I thought I might check if anyone else had that and I could be of some use, too - you see I'm no no-thinker and I certainly don't cry for help like a baby, and I'd thank you for not taking me for one |
| 23:56.40 | dutchfish | ha, had both installed, i used apprently the arping-utils and man arping gave me the other one, how nice |
| 23:56.50 | streuner | dante_2core: as i said before, its pretty unusual (such sources.list) |
| 23:56.52 | themill | dutchfish: really? they should conflict |
| 23:57.03 | dutchfish | themill, yup, but not |
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| 23:57.31 | dutchfish | themill, fixing it, hold on |
| 23:57.46 | dante_2core | streuner, yes, you're completely right. But I'm used to run into problems and solve them, too, and using unstable is very convenient and fine for me. I was just tired and thought I'd ask here, I usually don't do that. apologies. |
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| 23:58.05 | themill | dutchfish: they do conflict... |
| 23:59.26 | streuner | dante_2core: well, i told you my point of view, iam rather lazy and pure Debian is easy to use and run |
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