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| 00:00.11 | dutchfish | themill, fxied, but with arping-utlils apring i get unkown host |
| 00:00.21 | dutchfish | s/apring/arping |
| 00:00.42 | themill | dutchfish: same. bloody useless. |
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| 00:00.42 | dante_2core | streuner, I understand your point well, and as I said, sorry for not understanding quicker. I like solving problems, that's where I learn the most, actually. thank you for pointing me to the official mirrors-thing, too. |
| 00:01.27 | dutchfish | themill, but arping -I eth0 192.168.2.30 does also work |
| 00:01.55 | themill | yes |
| 00:01.55 | dutchfish | themill, i only want to GetIpByMac function |
| 00:02.11 | themill | dutchfish: but somehow you can only get the inverse. |
| 00:02.49 | dutchfish | themill, crazy way of ping 192.168.0.0 -B to get IP | MAC list |
| 00:03.01 | themill | eww |
| 00:03.12 | dutchfish | mmmm |
| 00:03.26 | simonrvn | i missed all the fun ;) |
| 00:03.38 | themill | dutchfish: You're hoping that things reply to broadcast of course. Many things don't. |
| 00:03.49 | dutchfish | themill, exactly that too |
| 00:04.10 | themill | simonrvn: fun. let's see. I've been swearing at your bot... does that count? |
| 00:04.31 | simonrvn | themill: sure, i do that too |
| 00:04.43 | themill | :) |
| 00:04.56 | streuner | dante_2core: the main thing is, if you have a *certain* problem and could fix that only with one very special package - nobody deny help then... |
| 00:05.19 | dutchfish | themill, well i go to my old aproach reading through snmp mib 2 the port|mac tables out of my switches abd compare them with arpwatch, then listen passively on the net and collect 'who has answers' but that takes sooo looong |
| 00:05.51 | abrotman | dutchfish: apt-cache search arp ping ? |
| 00:05.54 | nyk2005 | thanks mbroeker for your help. It works like a charm!!! |
| 00:06.01 | dante_2core | streuner, :D I get what you mean. |
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| 00:06.15 | mbroeker | nyk2005, no problem. I will help you again! |
| 00:06.31 | themill | dutchfish: pinging them will cause arp cache updates on the various hops... you don't have to be passive |
| 00:06.48 | dutchfish | abrotman, the only thing i found on the net was netdisco (lenny and not mature yet) |
| 00:06.55 | abrotman | oh |
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| 00:07.01 | Riotblade | Hey, i'm running a program with "./program > log.txt" but the log.txt gets too big. I've tested to see if it regenerates a file if the file was removed but it apparently doesn't. Anyone know a way for me to keep logs organized without closing the program? |
| 00:07.03 | abrotman | but a disco!!!!!!! |
| 00:07.06 | dutchfish | &info netdisco lenny |
| 00:07.17 | themill | wonders why texlive-latex-extra matches that apt-cache search |
| 00:07.36 | dante_2core | Riotblade, ">>" could work, I think |
| 00:07.47 | abrotman | Riotblade: maybe try a sighup .. but dont hold your breath |
| 00:07.50 | Riotblade | I've tried that as well, any other suggestions? |
| 00:08.02 | dutchfish | http://sites.google.com/a/gapps.oxuni.org.uk/oliver/Home/Netdisco-Debian-Packages |
| 00:08.29 | dante_2core | Riotblade, is it a program you wrote? it's better to write logs from within the program anyway |
| 00:08.39 | dutchfish | anyway thank you very much abrotman themill for trying to help! |
| 00:08.43 | themill | np |
| 00:08.48 | abrotman | themill: we suck! |
| 00:08.54 | themill | :( |
| 00:08.59 | Riotblade | dante_2core, it's not |
| 00:09.06 | abrotman | goes back to #ubuntu where he can be useful |
| 00:09.09 | Riotblade | I'll try a sighup, if it works then thank you |
| 00:09.13 | abrotman | Riotblade: kill -1 <PID> |
| 00:09.15 | dante_2core | abrotman, LOOL |
| 00:09.18 | streuner | abrotman: hehe |
| 00:09.24 | simonrvn | abrotman++ |
| 00:09.33 | themill | Riotblade: you could pipe into a better logging program that takes stdin and logs it. HUP won't work. |
| 00:09.39 | dante_2core | I so love debian and its people |
| 00:10.09 | Tramp | themill: apt-cache show texlive-latex-extra | egrep 'arp|ping' - unless the question was rethorical |
| 00:10.10 | abrotman | themill: it depends on the app .. it does rarely work |
| 00:10.23 | Riotblade | themill, any docs I can read on that? |
| 00:10.24 | abrotman | Riotblade: why can't you stop/start it ? |
| 00:10.31 | Riotblade | it's a game server |
| 00:10.36 | abrotman | and? |
| 00:10.43 | Riotblade | you'll kick off thousands of players? |
| 00:10.44 | abrotman | GAME OFF!/GAME ON! |
| 00:10.45 | themill | abrotman: since it is bash that's doing the redirection, HUP won't work. |
| 00:10.54 | abrotman | themill: oh yes .. sorry .. you're right |
| 00:10.56 | themill | Riotblade: apache used to come with such a logger. nfi what it was called now... |
| 00:11.00 | simonrvn | thanks for reminding me... had ldap issue to fix |
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| 00:11.16 | dante_2core | lol - "frag - frag - connection interrupted, message: BBS MOVING LOG FILES - frag" |
| 00:12.22 | Riotblade | themill, how does piping work? I can send the buffer to another program as input right? |
| 00:12.45 | themill | Riotblade: ./program | logrotater |
| 00:13.01 | themill | Riotblade: yes, that's the idea |
| 00:13.05 | Riotblade | Alright, I'll try it, thanks |
| 00:13.19 | themill | for some program called logrotater.... |
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| 00:13.25 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:13.26 | dante_2core | themill, themill can't find that program |
| 00:13.28 | Riotblade | yeah, I'm thinking of just writing a quick script |
| 00:13.36 | themill | which you could always write yourself |
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| 00:13.55 | dante_2core | ah - lol. well, ain't _that_ much of a problem to write, actually. |
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| 00:14.51 | Riotblade | it isn't, but I just thought of my first problem. Since it sends a lot of logs at once, you'll need to keep the script running as opposed to always opening the file over and over again |
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| 00:15.39 | themill | Riotblade: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/programs/rotatelogs.html |
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| 00:16.27 | abrotman | Riotblade: apt-cache search rotate logs .. seem to be a few hits |
| 00:16.30 | themill | Riotblade: Or a similar thing that the apache people wish they had come up with themselves, http://cronolog.org/ |
| 00:16.52 | themill | Riotblade: ^^ which is in the debian package of the same name |
| 00:18.12 | Riotblade | yeah, but my problem right now is how the log file is created since I can't close the file handle and reopen another one |
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| 00:18.35 | themill | Riotblade: the rotatelogs script does that for you |
| 00:18.35 | rking | is a USB headset a virtual soundcard or something? |
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| 00:18.52 | Riotblade | themill, I'm reading it only support input log files. Am I wrong? |
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| 00:19.36 | themill | Riotblade: ./program just continually spews out junk to stdout; rotatelog reads from stdin and dumps to file for predetermined period of time before rotating the log file and starting the next one. |
| 00:20.27 | themill | Riotblade: I don't know what you mean by "input log file". |
| 00:20.30 | Riotblade | so it can actually change how things are being written? |
| 00:21.19 | themill | Riotblade: At present bash is doing the writing. You will change it to be rotatelog (or cronolog) doing the writing. So yes. |
| 00:21.31 | Riotblade | ah okay, thanks |
| 00:21.41 | dutchfish | abrotman, got a workaround, when i ping (ones) an ip i can grep the hosts mac adress out of the arp table (only if it is on the same subnet) |
| 00:21.47 | Riotblade | I didnt notice the > wasnt needed |
| 00:21.59 | abrotman | dutchfish: ew? |
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| 00:22.17 | themill | Riotblade: but you'll have to restart the server to start using the new logging system |
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| 00:23.18 | Riotblade | yeah, I understand |
| 00:23.21 | Riotblade | thanks, i'll try it |
| 00:23.35 | themill | Riotblade: no worries... have fun with it. Happy fragging. |
| 00:23.35 | abrotman | Riotblade: GAME OFF! |
| 00:23.36 | dutchfish | abrotman, i wonder i f i could send a raw packet (a arp request) from bash that would do it too |
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| 00:23.54 | abrotman | dutchfish: can you do that? |
| 00:24.03 | dutchfish | abrotman, maybe |
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| 00:28.18 | dutchfish | abrotman, something like sock = socket(PF_PACKET, SOCK_RAW, htons((short)ETH_P_ALL) however it needs config_filter enabled in the kernel .... |
| 00:28.32 | abrotman | gives dutchfish the Dirty Old Man Award |
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| 00:28.47 | dutchfish | abrotman, thx |
| 00:29.16 | dutchfish | abrotman, i will figure it out |
| 00:29.30 | dutchfish | abrotman, until later |
| 00:29.34 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:29.44 | TwinX | What's better; selinux...targeted or strict |
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| 00:34.07 | cafuego | abortman/dutchfish: isn't there a packet generator module? |
| 00:35.00 | abrotman | tcpreplay ? |
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| 00:37.16 | Supaplex | what can I use to get a list of window ids to use with xwd? |
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| 00:39.14 | rking | i am so confused about alsa. how does iceweasel know to open /dev/pcmC0D0p to play sound? |
| 00:39.38 | rking | In /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc i see ICEWEASEL_DSP="none" |
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| 00:43.00 | nevyn | is reminded of the saying.. "If I wanted your website to make noise I'd wet my finger and run it down the screen" |
| 00:43.16 | abrotman | nevyn: yes .. in the days before flash |
| 00:44.13 | abrotman | and java i suppose |
| 00:45.03 | lastnode | flashblock ftw |
| 00:45.34 | cusco | html 5 was supose to present the ogg container as part of the standard |
| 00:45.45 | rking | this is actually a good use of audio (language learning - with voice analysis) |
| 00:45.46 | cusco | but apple and nokia and somebody else complained |
| 00:48.08 | amphi | great |
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| 00:49.34 | Supaplex | flashblock++ |
| 00:50.01 | Supaplex | 'somebody else' must of been a non-free evil company. |
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| 00:53.39 | rking | this is probably the eigth time i have set out to learn a little about ALSA and wasted an hour having learned next to nothing. |
| 00:53.42 | rking | i feel dumb. |
| 00:54.01 | rking | /dev/dsp made sense to me. |
| 00:55.27 | abrotman | rking: yay alsa! |
| 00:55.38 | rking | =\ |
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| 01:01.09 | abrotman | dpkg: yay! |
| 01:01.14 | abrotman | or not |
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| 01:02.30 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
| 01:02.37 | dondelelcaro | hrm. |
| 01:03.04 | azeem | I got it to respond on oftc for a second |
| 01:03.07 | azeem | not anymore |
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| 01:04.36 | dub | do lcds make wet finger noises? |
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| 01:04.41 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: status |
| 01:04.47 | dpkg | Since Thu Apr 10 01:03:29 2008, there have been 0 modifications, 0 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 0 commands. I have been awake for 1m 16s this session, and currently reference 38015 factoids. I'm using about 15192 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1.91/0.09 child 0/0 |
| 01:04.49 | abrotman | yay! |
| 01:04.52 | abrotman | !beer dondelelcaro |
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| 01:04.57 | dpkg | pours a litre of Franziskaner Hefeweizen for dondelelcaro |
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| 01:23.54 | jetscreamer | gd wtf |
| 01:24.18 | jetscreamer | !resurrect #debian |
| 01:24.31 | rking | jetscreamer: thanks. |
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| 01:25.17 | jetscreamer | np |
| 01:25.19 | Riotblade | Hey, whoever helped with the log rotator, it works thanks |
| 01:25.30 | Riotblade | but... i'm editting my starting script and it doesn't record the correct pid now |
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| 01:25.52 | Riotblade | "nohup ./${mserv} | ${lbin} ${hdir}${1}/${lpath}/map/mserv.${tstamp} ${lsize}M &" $! would return the pid of the log rotator |
| 01:26.01 | shyam_k | how can i know which lenny cd have malayalam language pack? |
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| 01:26.18 | shyam_k | locale things and font.. |
| 01:26.57 | shyam_k | heard lenny's first dvd has it.. |
| 01:27.00 | jetscreamer | cd#1 'just asks' you so it's 'probably' on cd1 |
| 01:27.11 | abrotman | Riotblade: try `pidof ${mserv}` |
| 01:27.11 | jetscreamer | but there's a factoid |
| 01:27.29 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 01:27.29 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 01:27.34 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 01:27.37 | Riotblade | abrotman, i'll try it, thanks |
| 01:27.41 | abrotman | there is no language pack though .. he just wants to configure the correct locale |
| 01:27.41 | shyam_k | oh thanks..ill look |
| 01:27.47 | shyam_k | yeah |
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| 01:29.28 | shyam_k | it was tricky with etch installation in our language,the first dvd didnt have my locale,so for first installation,installer will support ml_IN but as i log in for the first time,i see squares as the fonts are not in first dvd...heard lenny has the language packs in first dvd then its ok:) |
| 01:29.46 | Riotblade | abrotman, "pidof" command not found |
| 01:30.12 | antgeth | brbish hopefully |
| 01:30.34 | abrotman | Riotblade: it's in the sysvinit-utils package |
| 01:30.43 | Riotblade | alright, i'll install it thanks |
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| 01:31.14 | abrotman | Riotblade: what are you saving the PID for ? |
| 01:31.32 | Riotblade | stopping it with the script |
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| 01:32.02 | abrotman | okay |
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| 01:32.17 | abrotman | you don't really need to save them off .. you can kill `pidof <name>` |
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| 01:32.37 | Riotblade | right, after I have that command |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | though there are other ways |
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| 01:34.57 | Riotblade | abrotman, sorry but do you happen to know the package name in fedora? I have fedora system I want to install these on as well |
| 01:35.15 | abrotman | Riotblade: NFC .. but i'm sure yum has a way to search ? |
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| 01:35.34 | Riotblade | yeah, I see a sysvinit but not sure if that's the one |
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| 01:36.50 | Riotblade | kicks self |
| 01:36.57 | Riotblade | already have it, just users dont have access to it |
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| 01:41.05 | tanuki33 | hi all.. I just installed debian and I am trying, apparently in vain, to install openssh-server. can anyone tell me what the deal is? |
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| 01:42.02 | Sam1337 | pastebin the result of apt-get install openssh-server |
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| 01:42.15 | tanuki33 | it says it is referenced by another file but is either depreciated or some such. |
| 01:42.27 | Sam1337 | etch? |
| 01:42.28 | abrotman | tanuki33: paste your sources in a pastebin |
| 01:42.47 | tanuki33 | can't do that as I can not ssh into the machine and I do not want a graphical interface |
| 01:43.00 | tanuki33 | but i can type it |
| 01:43.03 | tanuki33 | in a sec |
| 01:43.16 | abrotman | tanuki33: make sure you have http sources and a security.debian.org line .. |
| 01:43.25 | abrotman | unless you have CDs for all of it |
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| 01:45.34 | tanuki33 | Is not availiable but is referred to by another package, this may mean it has been obsoleted, is depreciated, or is only avail through another source. |
| 01:45.53 | Riotblade | abrotman, stupid question. Let's say I have users who are running the same program. pidof returns all of them by default. I did a pidof -s and it returns one that's not under my user first |
| 01:45.54 | tanuki33 | package has no installation candidate |
| 01:46.12 | abrotman | Riotblade: that's not qa question |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | tanuki33: it's in etch .. your sources are messed |
| 01:46.28 | abrotman | tanuki33: where are you geographically ? |
| 01:46.35 | tanuki33 | ok.. i am in candida |
| 01:46.39 | abrotman | nice |
| 01:46.41 | tanuki33 | hmm.. canada |
| 01:46.45 | Riotblade | abrotman, how would I make it so it returns my users pids only? |
| 01:46.50 | Riotblade | there, converted to question :P |
| 01:46.51 | abrotman | tanuki33: in your sources.list .. you need the following two lines |
| 01:47.02 | abrotman | deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 01:47.11 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates maine |
| 01:47.13 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 01:47.14 | abrotman | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
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| 01:47.37 | tanuki33 | thanks will try |
| 01:48.28 | abrotman | tanuki33: then run aptitude update and then aptitude install openssh-server |
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| 01:50.36 | Riotblade | nevermind, I solved the issue |
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| 01:51.34 | tanuki33 | ABROTMAN: Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! that worked perfectly *tanuki runs into the other room to play with his new toy" |
| 01:51.39 | benjamindees | if I installed base-files-4.0.1~bpo40+1 from backports why does dpkg-buildpackage still pester me about "Unmet build dependencies: base-files (>= 4.0.1) " ? |
| 01:51.40 | abrotman | toy? |
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| 01:51.51 | abrotman | THAT'S A DELICATE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT!!!! |
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| 01:57.13 | benjamindees | ugh, pathologically eclectic rubbish |
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| 01:58.09 | abrotman | tanuki33: did you break it yet? |
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| 01:58.46 | keith4_ | so, let's say I have a disk, with with a few partitions... and I have another disk, that's not being used. can I convert this to a software raid 1 on the fly? |
| 01:59.19 | rking | keith4_: i hope someone answers that--it's an interesting question. |
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| 01:59.40 | abrotman | keith4_: check the swraid howto .. it may answer that |
| 01:59.49 | keith4_ | "the" swraid howto? |
| 01:59.55 | benjamindees | if that's mirroring then yeah I think so |
| 02:00.14 | benjamindees | in fact I know so |
| 02:00.18 | abrotman | keith4_: tldp.org |
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| 02:00.34 | keith4_ | that would probably make my day, if that's true |
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| 02:01.01 | keith4_ | abrotman: "the" howto = http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html ? |
| 02:01.02 | benjamindees | just setup half a mirror on the unused drive |
| 02:01.11 | mikemussina | hi all, i just installed the basic debian from etch cd, i edited the sources.list and i changed all etch -> lenny and made "aptitude update" and then "aptitude dist-upgrade" and it only downloaded 39KB? :s thats it? just 39KBs of updates? |
| 02:01.13 | benjamindees | then enable the other half |
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| 02:03.14 | abrotman | wtf .. he left? |
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| 02:03.37 | Sam1337 | he was running windoze and it crashed |
| 02:03.39 | Sam1337 | probably |
| 02:03.41 | keith4_ | benjamindees: build a degraded raid 1, copy stuff to it, then add the original drive? |
| 02:03.53 | benjamindees | keith4_, yep |
| 02:04.20 | keith4_ | hmmm |
| 02:04.22 | benjamindees | keith4_, using mdadm |
| 02:04.41 | keith4_ | yah, i'm familiar with mdadm |
| 02:04.48 | keith4_ | have a handful of software raids here |
| 02:04.55 | keith4_ | just... never tried to do a mirror without formatting |
| 02:05.16 | keith4_ | I can boot from a raid 1, right? |
| 02:05.40 | zinx | keith4_: you can.. whether it's a good idea or not is another matter |
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| 02:06.06 | benjamindees | it's a bad idea; setup two /boot partitions |
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| 02:06.29 | keith4_ | ok |
| 02:06.47 | abrotman | also depends on the bootloader |
| 02:06.50 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
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| 02:07.17 | keith4_ | i think grub *can* be hit with a big enough stick to boot from raid 1 |
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| 02:07.39 | lunaphyte | grr, why is aptitude insisting on installing all of these suggested packages? |
| 02:07.39 | keith4_ | although, last time I used the installer to create a raid + lvm setup, I think it installed lilo on me when i wasn't looking |
| 02:08.11 | lunaphyte | i boot a raid1 md device. |
| 02:08.18 | keith4_ | any problems? |
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| 02:08.28 | lunaphyte | only when i upgrade. :p |
| 02:08.35 | keith4_ | ugh |
| 02:08.45 | lunaphyte | it was a pain, but not insurmountable. |
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| 02:09.23 | lunaphyte | i learned a lot in the process. it won't be as painful the next time around if it goes similarly. |
| 02:09.48 | keith4_ | hmmm |
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| 02:12.04 | jw_ | why would my ipw3945 wireless suddenly begin working, and just as mysteriously stop? |
| 02:12.06 | lunaphyte | i wrote my own bootloader too, though. |
| 02:12.22 | keith4_ | ... |
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| 02:12.43 | lunaphyte | just kidding - but i did stay at a holiday inn express last night. |
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| 02:13.41 | keith4_ | nice |
| 02:13.49 | lunaphyte | it's funny you mention that about lilo getting installed on you - i had the same experience last time i tried, iirc. |
| 02:13.55 | abrotman | jw_: oh .. you did |
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| 02:14.42 | jw_ | why is iceweasel/firefox unable to scroll when my cursor is over an ad? |
| 02:14.43 | abrotman | jw_: your ipw3945 should work .. given that you have the firmware etc it requires to run |
| 02:14.50 | abrotman | jw_: that's flash |
| 02:14.57 | abrotman | jw_: and it's not just IW/FF |
| 02:15.15 | jw_ | can I disable that "feature"? very annoying |
| 02:15.25 | lunaphyte | yeah, it even happens to safari/os x. |
| 02:15.26 | abrotman | yeah .. disable flash |
| 02:15.31 | lunaphyte | ha |
| 02:15.40 | jw_ | thanks, |
| 02:16.04 | jw_ | i ca live without flash.. |
| 02:16.13 | benjamindees | hmm I wonder if gnash does that |
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| 02:17.10 | benjamindees | I mean, it does; but I wonder if there's any reason it couldn't be fixed. |
| 02:17.37 | keith4_ | ew... you can make software raid out of network block devices |
| 02:17.45 | keith4_ | that's interesting |
| 02:17.53 | dob1 | hi, how can i use this repository ? http://oss.oracle.com/debian/ what i have to add to source.list ? |
| 02:17.58 | keith4_ | considers raiding a pair of drdbs |
| 02:18.05 | jw_ | with all the pop up blockers, you'd figger that someone could find a way to simply scroll without moving the cursor all the time |
| 02:18.57 | abrotman | dob1: man sources.list .. and `deb http://oss.oracle.com/debian/ unstable main non-free' .. it may or may not work |
| 02:19.59 | Miesco | Thinking about making a collection of mencoder scripts, like dvd2ipod, avi2ipod, etc. I have questions first. Has this been done? is this a good idea? Is there a GUI that already does this? |
| 02:20.11 | Miesco | Also, is this the right channel? |
| 02:20.31 | jw_ | kwifimanager somehow cannot see all the wireless networks around here.... |
| 02:20.40 | abrotman | Miesco: ask #mplayer .. they might know |
| 02:20.47 | dob1 | abrotman, thanks seems to work, and to add the gpg key? |
| 02:20.48 | Miesco | K |
| 02:21.02 | abrotman | !apt-key asdf1234 |
| 02:21.02 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys asdf1234 ; gpg --export asdf1234 | sudo apt-key add - |
| 02:21.37 | dob1 | abrotman, ok i know the command, but where i can find the key? |
| 02:22.23 | pgpkeys | they --keyserver line retrieves the key |
| 02:22.56 | pgpkeys | tell sit to go look on subkeys.pgp.net for key asdf1234 |
| 02:23.17 | pgpkeys | (yeah I can type.. really.. I can!) |
| 02:23.26 | dob1 | asdf1234 it's not an example? |
| 02:23.29 | abrotman | dob1: it should tell you in the error |
| 02:23.50 | abrotman | dob1: it will say like NO KEY FOR 133AAB8(DFSF&&@#33 |
| 02:23.58 | abrotman | you just use the last eight characters |
| 02:24.10 | dob1 | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 02:24.42 | jw_ | why would my eth0 be renamed eth1? |
| 02:25.00 | abrotman | !z25 |
| 02:25.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 02:25.38 | jw_ | abrotman, thank you |
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| 02:27.00 | dryrot | What are some tools i can use to verify the integrity of my laptop hard drive? i tried booting with the cd, i ran fsck successfully, when i boot into ubuntu on my hard drive, the computer gets to the GDM splash screen, then the drive makes weird noises and I can't log in |
| 02:27.47 | pgpkeys | badblocks and you can use the drive maker's diagnostic bootdisk (most of them offer one downloadable from their site(s)) |
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| 02:31.49 | benjamindees | # dpkg-checkbuilddeps control: Unmet build dependencies: base-files (>= 4.0.1) |
| 02:32.07 | benjamindees | # dpkg -l base-files: ii base-files 4.0.1~bpo40+1 |
| 02:32.35 | benjamindees | if backports are officially supported now, then where do I report this bug? |
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| 02:33.59 | pgpkeys | from backports.org.. Basic Rules |
| 02:33.59 | pgpkeys | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.59 | pgpkeys | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:37.38 | pgpkeys | woo we got a 3 alarmfire somewhere. volly alarm is wailing out the call |
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| 02:39.21 | andrboot | Hi all :) just wondering .. if you ppl know how to get KDE4 on lenny :p |
| 02:39.57 | andrboot | ive noticed that i need a heck of alot of dep's just curious if any of you guys know a "simple" way to do it |
| 02:40.45 | abrotman | !kde4 |
| 02:40.45 | dpkg | kde4 is probably a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. see <kde4 videos> |
| 02:40.59 | andrboot | rofl |
| 02:41.00 | andrboot | coool |
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| 02:42.10 | pgpkeys | abrotman: there anything you don't have a bot entry for? ;) like what's for dinner? |
| 02:42.12 | jw_ | i've played with ifconfig, iwconfig, kwifimanager, checked dmesg, ... any other tools/configs i might check? |
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| 02:42.18 | abrotman | !eat pgpkeys |
| 02:42.19 | dpkg | eats pgpkeys, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 02:42.24 | pgpkeys | hah |
| 02:42.31 | pgpkeys | answers that question :) |
| 02:42.32 | abrotman | !feed pgpkeys |
| 02:42.33 | dpkg | feeds pgpkeys to the crocs. |
| 02:42.36 | quentusrex | How do I get a box to run a command each time it boots up? |
| 02:42.42 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 02:42.42 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 02:42.54 | pgpkeys | ooo, no need to get medievel on my ass now ;) |
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| 02:56.08 | CodeBlock | ok -- i want to set debian up on this old server (compaq proliant 2500) but according to google the server cant auto-detect memory, so i think i need a bootflag or something, to bypass that.... any help? (pretty please?) |
| 02:56.11 | Bogaurd | I have a drive which has 2 partitions of zero size... extended partitions /dev/sda3 & /dev/sda4. If i delete these with sfdisk, will the other partitions (/dev/sda5 etc) take their places? |
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| 02:59.50 | benjamindees | CodeBlock, old compaq servers generally came with lots of utility floppies to change system settings |
| 03:00.38 | benjamindees | I put one very similar to that on the curb a few months ago |
| 03:00.50 | abrotman | CodeBlock: if you try to install .. what happens ? |
| 03:01.14 | CodeBlock | abrotman: if i use default settings? (i.e. enter at the boot prompt?) |
| 03:01.35 | CodeBlock | i get flooded with: out of memory: kill process 2 (ksoftirqd/0) score 0 and children. |
| 03:01.52 | abrotman | cute |
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| 03:02.03 | abrotman | you can do memory=<somevalue> IIRC |
| 03:02.10 | benjamindees | does the bios check show the correct amount? |
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| 03:02.36 | CodeBlock | benjamindees: thats a good question.. because i dont know how much is in there (it was given to me) and... well i wont know if its correct..... |
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| 03:05.25 | CodeBlock | benjamindees: it says 288 -- which seems..... like it might know what its talking about, so.... shall i try that? |
| 03:05.31 | CodeBlock | (288mb) |
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| 03:05.57 | benjamindees | sure; you can use lower values if you'd like with no problem |
| 03:06.48 | CodeBlock | benjamindees: so just memory=256 (for sanity's sake) need something after 256? (i.e. "mb")? |
| 03:07.28 | abrotman | memory=64 should be enough .. and hopefully a server has that much |
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| 03:07.45 | abrotman | oh .. if it says 288 .. use that |
| 03:08.12 | benjamindees | mem=288M |
| 03:08.17 | abrotman | yes .. that |
| 03:08.29 | CodeBlock | well it says 294912 and divided by 1024 = 288 >.> |
| 03:08.43 | CodeBlock | (dunno if that matters.. but eh) |
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| 03:11.32 | azurite | when using dm-crypt on a headless box would the only way to get things running be to supply the passphrase via serial console? |
| 03:12.28 | CodeBlock | benjamindees: "PCI: Failed to allocate mem resource #6:1000000@42000000 for 0000:01:06.0" next line: "PCI: Bridge: 0000:00:0d.0" |
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| 03:13.16 | joltcan | azurite: or just encrypt the storage space and let the rest of the system be as usual, then you can ssh into it and type the passphrase when you mount manually |
| 03:13.34 | azurite | ya ive considered that as well |
| 03:13.55 | azurite | will use the random option at least on the swap to keep that portion simple |
| 03:14.19 | joltcan | azurite: makes maintainance a hell of a lot easier as well |
| 03:14.25 | azurite | right |
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| 03:14.38 | benjamindees | CodeBlock, "Use together with memmap= to avoid physical address space collisions. Without memmap= PCI devices could be placed at addresses belonging to unused RAM." |
| 03:14.46 | rking | how do i instruct iceweasel to use the second sound card? like in: aplay -D hw:1 |
| 03:14.51 | azurite | im just debating whether the trouble of remote serial is worth it to have the full disk encryptee |
| 03:14.56 | azurite | encrypted |
| 03:16.22 | CodeBlock | benjamindees: don't mean to sound too stupid here, but how do i use memmap? what do i put after the = ? |
| 03:17.08 | benjamindees | try "memmap=exactmap memmap=640K@0 memmap=287M@1M" |
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| 03:18.00 | CodeBlock | woah |
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| 03:18.15 | joltcan | azurite: Well, there are pros and cons with both solution. Just encrypting the storage is what I would do because it is most convinient in three years when you you are trying to figure out what you have done |
| 03:18.28 | CodeBlock | flooded with: Unknown Interrupt or fault at EIP 00010006 00000060 c031f11d |
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| 03:18.32 | CodeBlock | benjamindees: ^ |
| 03:19.10 | benjamindees | CodeBlock, no idea; I would try to get into the BIOS or system setup and see if there are some settings for PCI enumeration and OS installed |
| 03:19.24 | CodeBlock | :( |
| 03:19.31 | CodeBlock | benjamindees: thanks anyway :) |
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| 03:21.31 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 03:21.39 | CodeBlock | hi |
| 03:22.05 | bintut | is there a way to separate two device/modules from sharing an irq? |
| 03:22.12 | bintut | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.13 | bintut | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.50 | benjamindees | CodeBlock, are you booting a smp kernel? |
| 03:23.12 | bintut | that's an example from the output of my 'cat /proc/interrupts' and i want to assign eth0 to irq 6 and eth1 to irq 7. is it possible? |
| 03:23.46 | CodeBlock | benjamindees: uhh ---- no clue.. its just a debian netinstall cd |
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| 03:25.29 | benjamindees | CodeBlock, you might try sarge :) |
| 03:25.59 | CodeBlock | kicks himself to get some more blank cd's ... hehe |
| 03:26.02 | bintut | anyone here can give me a clue on how to assign a device to a particular irq? |
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| 03:33.31 | Rusty1 | bintut: i dont know if the irq addr option of ifconfig would work, but i see it on the ifconfig man page FWIW |
| 03:33.57 | bintut | Rusty1: i see.. let me check. thanks. :) |
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| 03:39.05 | linuxjones513 | does anyone remember the program that was in the last debian that showed you the stars and whatnot |
| 03:39.32 | benjamindees | CodeBlock, out of curiousity what version of debian are you installing? |
| 03:39.39 | Hoxzer | :O |
| 03:39.58 | stew | linuxjones513: stellarium? |
| 03:40.05 | CodeBlock | benjamindees: i'd imagine its stable (its a net install, so.........) |
| 03:40.26 | CodeBlock | benjamindees: i'd guess it would install latest stable |
| 03:40.35 | pgpkeys | totally forgot about stellarium hehge |
| 03:41.00 | benjamindees | the netinstall discs ask you which version to install; but I'm not sure which kernel they come with. |
| 03:41.03 | linuxjones513 | me too but check this out, i was trying to think of how it worked and it came to mind |
| 03:41.03 | stew | i only know because it was recently featured in dpotd |
| 03:41.46 | linuxjones513 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/956a/ |
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| 03:44.06 | pgpkeys | theres one i can't remember the name of that taps the public domain research databases for starmap information then downloads the latest pictures that NASA and global telescopes have for those coords. gives you stuff like density maps, heat indexes, composite info and the like. |
| 03:45.42 | pgpkeys | NASA did an expose on it on NASA TV. was part of a collegiate competition they did to see what those interested in astrophysics and the like could do. gimme awhile I might remember the name. |
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| 03:48.34 | benjamindees | is there a linux-image udeb or am I misunderstanding what a udeb is? |
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| 03:50.38 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: there is, but unless you're mucking with the installer, you don't care about it. |
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| 03:52.00 | mikemussina | hi, i just installed debian etch base system, i edited the sources.list changing etch -> lenny and i did "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade" and it only downloaded 39KBs. is this right? i mean its a dist upgrade, altough i just installed the base system wihtout desktop and servers |
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| 03:52.39 | benjamindees | dondelelcaro, I am :) |
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| 03:57.17 | rahsputin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.26 | rahsputin | without damaging my system |
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| 03:58.19 | rahsputin | must is use the option ( begining or end ) |
| 03:58.30 | rahsputin | when partitioning |
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| 04:02.55 | benjamindees | which primary partition contains the logical partitions? |
| 04:03.28 | rahsputin | ? i dont understand what you mean? |
| 04:03.49 | rahsputin | hda1 and hda2 are unused at the moment both ext2 |
| 04:03.58 | rahsputin | and primary |
| 04:04.16 | rahsputin | hda5 - hda7 are logical |
| 04:04.24 | rahsputin | hda5 is swap |
| 04:04.38 | rahsputin | hda6 is / hda7 /home |
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| 04:05.46 | rahsputin | i want to delete hda2 and make a smaller primary in it and an extra logical partition |
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| 04:07.10 | rahsputin | i am partitioning with cfdisk |
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| 04:08.53 | rahsputin | benjamindees: i got my Toshiba Satellite 110CT / Pentium 75 / 99 MHz / 40 MB Graphics to work finally :D i use xvesa |
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| 04:10.20 | j0rd | i have a software raid using mdadm, i believe one of my drives is broken, but i can't figure out which one...how can i find out which is broken? |
| 04:11.01 | j0rd | i keep getting reiserfs kernel panics |
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| 04:12.12 | benjamindees | j0rd, cat /proc/mdstat |
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| 04:12.36 | benjamindees | rahsputin, interesting; I haven't heard of xvesa |
| 04:12.40 | j0rd | benjamindees: i've taken a look there...what exactly should i be looking for? |
| 04:13.03 | j0rd | md5 : active raid1 sda8[0] sdb8[1]; 226122752 blocks [2/2] [UU] |
| 04:13.11 | j0rd | ^ all my partitions look like this |
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| 04:14.16 | benjamindees | j0rd, hmm run badblocks then? |
| 04:14.38 | j0rd | benjamindees: i'll take a look into that |
| 04:14.41 | j0rd | thanks |
| 04:14.45 | benjamindees | j0rd, though, from what I've heard, reiserfs kernel panics are not necessarily hardware related |
| 04:15.02 | j0rd | well these are new...after about 2-3 years |
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| 04:15.15 | j0rd | i might have had some disk trashing which messed things up |
| 04:15.37 | j0rd | but i reiserfsck --rebuild-tree on all my partitions |
| 04:15.47 | j0rd | so i would assume that would fix it |
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| 04:16.10 | j0rd | benjamindees: any other ideas would be appreciated |
| 04:16.35 | j0rd | im just trying to debug the issues and figure out what's going on |
| 04:16.49 | rahsputin | benjamindees: http://www.xfree86.org/current/Xvesa.1.html and this is the site i got it from http://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html |
| 04:17.16 | benjamindees | j0rd, sorry I am not experienced with reiserfs; I just notice a lot of people having issues with it. |
| 04:17.28 | j0rd | benjamindees: alright thanks for your help |
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| 04:18.09 | sgmadison | how would i use sudo to allow a user "bob" to send mail ("mail -s recipient") as any other user with no password? |
| 04:18.26 | rahsputin | bob thats my name :D |
| 04:18.43 | sgmadison | well, maybe you will be allowed to send mail as me on my boxes =P |
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| 04:19.37 | benjamindees | rahsputin, can you post the output of 'fdisk -l /dev/hdX' somewhere? |
| 04:19.38 | sanjay | can anyone help with libdvdcss? |
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| 04:20.29 | benjamindees | !marillat |
| 04:20.29 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 04:20.36 | benjamindees | !asktoask |
| 04:20.46 | benjamindees | !ask |
| 04:20.46 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:22.19 | Gnuman | OK, I'm running a new install of Etch, installed libdvdcss from the unoficial repository, and gxine fails to crack th3e css |
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| 04:23.39 | rahsputin | benjamindees: thanks, but iam getting pretty tired.... it is 6:22 am here and i need some sleep... be back in the afternoon or night time ;D see ya round |
| 04:23.44 | Gnuman | I can't think of why it would do so. |
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| 04:24.56 | Gnuman | possable factors: I did build a kernel on this system, and may not have put in all the right options. That did not used to be a factor though |
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| 04:25.56 | Gnuman | I can read the DVD (browse the files, aned download them to disk if wanted) |
| 04:26.15 | benjamindees | right the kernel is not a problem |
| 04:26.24 | Gnuman | the drive I'm trying to read the DVD from is a DVD+-RW drive |
| 04:26.52 | benjamindees | have you tried different dvds ? |
| 04:27.02 | Gnuman | two of them |
| 04:27.26 | Gnuman | the same DVD works on my old ppc unit though |
| 04:27.52 | Gnuman | and I did not have to do anything on that box to get anything working |
| 04:28.28 | Gnuman | other than install the libs |
| 04:28.56 | Gnuman | everything else works, to my koledge |
| 04:29.07 | Gnuman | knowledge |
| 04:29.23 | Gnuman | fwaps his keyboard |
| 04:30.17 | Gnuman | I can paste teh exact message (one line) if you want |
| 04:30.53 | Gnuman | as you can see, typing it in may not be useful tonight. . . |
| 04:30.59 | Gnuman | <G> |
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| 04:33.08 | Gnuman | libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_05_0.VOB (0x00215cc2) |
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| 04:33.44 | Gnuman | pasting is much easier than trying to type things in correctly when you are cross-eyed |
| 04:34.06 | benjamindees | hmm well that's new to me |
| 04:34.19 | Gnuman | me too, sadly. . . |
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| 04:34.50 | Gnuman | version conflict maybe? |
| 04:35.08 | Gnuman | but that should have been caught by package depends |
| 04:35.14 | phenom | It is obviously css encrypted. |
| 04:35.20 | phenom | Try to run it in vlc? |
| 04:35.49 | Gnuman | vlc not installed. tried totem, and gxine |
| 04:35.56 | benjamindees | could it be a region problem? |
| 04:36.18 | Gnuman | not unless someone was mucking with the region on the drive. . . |
| 04:36.18 | benjamindees | looks like you're in the US though |
| 04:36.55 | Gnuman | and I can't see that as the people I got the drive from are in the same region as I am, and not all that tech savy it they wanted to change the region |
| 04:37.32 | Gnuman | I am, the people I got the drive from are , and the DVD was bought for use in the US also |
| 04:38.02 | benjamindees | I wonder if you can find out what region the drive is set for |
| 04:38.10 | Gnuman | how? |
| 04:38.17 | phenom | I'd try vlc before wnything else, as you've apt-get install libdvdcss2? |
| 04:38.22 | Gnuman | give me a command? |
| 04:38.24 | benjamindees | hdparm perhaps |
| 04:41.01 | Gnuman | libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdplay0 and libdvdread3 |
| 04:41.04 | Tramp | Gnuman: apt-cache search regionset |
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| 04:42.20 | Gnuman | OK, installing regionset and vlc now |
| 04:43.53 | Gnuman | drive plays discs from region(s): 1, mask=0xFE |
| 04:44.05 | Gnuman | OK that is cleared up. . . |
| 04:44.09 | Gnuman | <G> |
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| 04:44.31 | Miesco | What channel discusses audio/video? |
| 04:45.03 | benjamindees | this one at the moment |
| 04:45.25 | Gnuman | vlc fails in the same way |
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| 04:45.53 | Gnuman | shal I instal ogle and try it? |
| 04:46.15 | Gnuman | ll |
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| 04:46.56 | Gnuman | Miesco: what is your question |
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| 04:47.12 | Tramp | Gnuman: is just this one dvd not working or no css-obfuscated disk? |
| 04:47.27 | Gnuman | let me try an alternate |
| 04:48.05 | BestNicholas | Check out my ad! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/ele/636894612.html Don't flag me! |
| 04:48.43 | Miesco | Does AAC make mp3 obsolete? |
| 04:49.37 | j0rd | Miesco: mp3 will never disapeer |
| 04:50.29 | j0rd | just like gif's wont |
| 04:50.55 | Miesco | Okay, but is it better in all aspects? |
| 04:52.33 | Tramp | Miesco: no. Much fewer devices support it. |
| 04:52.59 | Miesco | Tramp: In terms of size, speed, and quality? |
| 04:53.45 | Gnuman | Hmmm, OK anything I try except Will and Grace seems to work. . . |
| 04:53.47 | Tramp | Miesco: no idea - but it doesn't matter 8) |
| 04:53.52 | Gnuman | what's up with that? |
| 04:54.11 | Miesco | K |
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| 04:55.02 | chickamade | hello |
| 04:55.18 | chickamade | does anyone know how to use grpid in fstab? |
| 04:55.23 | chickamade | it doesn't let me do it |
| 04:55.52 | chickamade | even though 'mount -o defaults,grpid /dev/hda2 /mnt/data' |
| 04:55.57 | chickamade | works fine |
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| 05:08.10 | j0rd | Miesco: it's not better in consumer penetration or adoption |
| 05:08.22 | j0rd | Miesco: so ... mp3 will stick around |
| 05:08.31 | j0rd | that's the reality |
| 05:09.01 | j0rd | your thinking of an idealistic world where people are smart and like and embrace inovation |
| 05:09.11 | j0rd | the real world isnt like that |
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| 05:10.04 | deadlyninja | a bios fakeraid controller just blew away the mdadm raid headers of my hard disks, is there any way to recover them? |
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| 05:11.20 | pgpkeys | not that i'm aware of. once they're shot, they're shot. |
| 05:11.47 | shivamib | ouch! |
| 05:13.09 | deadlyninja | i read a really stupid tutorial then |
| 05:13.34 | deadlyninja | thankfully it apparently only killed 1 header out of a raid5, so i think im ok |
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| 05:14.14 | pgpkeys | if there IS a way to recover it that you find.. be sure to tell ME! I'd definitely be interested in archiving that bit of info |
| 05:15.06 | SpaT | one process can cripple the entere system (by taking all the cpu time) is there a way i can limit this without losing performance? |
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| 05:16.57 | palomer_ | how do I install pdflatex? |
| 05:17.18 | pgpkeys | deadlyninja: check this out http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8874 |
| 05:18.19 | pgpkeys | not *sure* that will help you but at least it's a baseline |
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| 05:18.55 | Tramp | SpaT: no, it can't (unless it has realtime-priority). There is a thing called "scheduler" which distributes available CPU-time among processes needing it |
| 05:20.08 | SpaT | Tramp: yeah i know that i was thinking that the sceduler might be configured so it leaves time for other processes |
| 05:20.25 | pgpkeys | deadlyninja: checking with some friends. seeing if they've anything to add |
| 05:21.29 | SpaT | Tramp: we had a problem with a buggy perl module that went in a loop, perhaps i can see if there is a way i can limit this in apache or modperl than |
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| 05:21.51 | deadlyninja | pgpkeys, reading that link... thanks for the help but dont worry too much, i can just rebuild the one drive that got trounced |
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| 05:22.07 | SpaT | we could not even reboot anymore. just cut the power |
| 05:22.26 | pgpkeys | up to you. got one reply that was the same as what I initially said, but waiting to see if any of my personal gurus have anything to add |
| 05:22.58 | deadlyninja | i read a tutorial about native command queueing (NCQ) and it told me sometimes you have to enable onboard raid for it to work... and my bios decided i wanted to overwrite all my drives with garbage when i did that |
| 05:24.04 | peterius | the freetype version in etch is buggy, what is recommended? I hear one isn't supposed to use experimental/testing, so should I compile/install latest freetype? |
| 05:24.24 | pgpkeys | deadlyninja: so these are SATA drives? |
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| 05:25.02 | SpaT | Tramp: i was hoping to prevent that stuff by setting some limits in linux proccess management /scheduler like you can do with linux memory management (limit max used mem for a process) |
| 05:25.03 | pgpkeys | and that's only if the drives themselves support it. (SATA II usually) |
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| 05:25.49 | pgpkeys | not all drives allow for reordering of their command queues which is why i ask |
| 05:27.03 | peterius | basically I'm wondering what dangers I run compiling my own freetype and how I can minimize possible library conflicts |
| 05:27.27 | mactimes | Hello, everyone. I'm installing debian in a VM to perform some tests. I'm mirroring the OS and swap partitions, using 2 disks. Will debian keep working normally once I remove one of the disks or there is any _extra_ step I'll be missing? |
| 05:28.31 | klync | 2 disks in a vm? |
| 05:28.38 | mactimes | kloeri: Yup |
| 05:28.45 | peterius | what kind of tests mactimes? |
| 05:29.29 | mactimes | peterius: Well, I intend to install debian for a production server. So I want to see if RAID1 will work fine in case of a disk failure. |
| 05:29.42 | klync | mactimes: don't mirror swap, and install the bootloader on both disks |
| 05:29.52 | peterius | ah |
| 05:30.38 | mactimes | klync: Hummm... If I don't mirror swap, won't it be missing and need immediate action in case of a disk failure? |
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| 05:32.07 | mactimes | klync: All partitions, including the boot loader, are being mirrored. |
| 05:32.23 | klync | mactimes: i'm trying to remember all the reasons i was advised against it... obviously the speed penalty |
| 05:32.45 | pgpkeys | and if you do mirror swap and the recent write to the partition is corrupted before it writes to the second due to the failure it's useless as well. swap is for temporary things like context switches and moving things around in memory on an overloaded system. |
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| 05:32.59 | pgpkeys | for other things too however those are a couple things to be concerned with |
| 05:33.00 | klync | also, disks are most likely to fail while they're being spun up, so the odds of losing a disk while there's data in swap should be low |
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| 05:33.21 | peterius | anyone have any succesful experience avoiding library conflicts between package installs and source compiles? |
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| 05:35.01 | klync | peterius: i keep my source compiles in ~ and recompile them every time i upgrade. so far so good, but very limited set of sw |
| 05:35.22 | peterius | so no root installs kylnc? |
| 05:35.40 | pgpkeys | use /usr/local for multiple versions |
| 05:35.48 | mactimes | klync, petemc pgpkeys : I've been browsing the web about it. There are some recommendations for not mirroring and most of them for mirroring... I just don't want my end customers to get desperate in case of a disk failure. Besides, since it will be a server, the odds are that the disk failure will happen while the machine is on, since it won't be powered off... |
| 05:36.23 | Nwallins | i have a RAID-1 setup with a hot spare. why not shuffle/rotate the array among the three disks on a regular basis (say, weekly); then your spare is also a backup |
| 05:36.42 | peterius | pgpkeys does debian put everything in usr/lib? |
| 05:36.49 | klync | peterius: no, and that way i can totally set the user's env - libpath, etc. and not worry when i need to recompile ... i had stuff in /usr/local/ but found it hard to maintain after a while |
| 05:37.02 | Nwallins | use disk 1 and 2 today; use 2 and 3 next week; 1 acts as a backup |
| 05:37.04 | Tramp | SpaT: to my knowledge, the schedules is not configurable |
| 05:37.15 | Nyle | Nwallins, louisianan? |
| 05:37.27 | Nwallins | Nyle: formerly :( |
| 05:37.29 | peterius | klync: I've always done everything by source, but I'm trying to "fit in" and use the package manager this time... why is the /usr/local/ difficult? |
| 05:37.37 | mactimes | Nwallins: But you use that spare for data only for for the whole system? |
| 05:37.39 | Nyle | Nwallins, where at now? |
| 05:37.40 | Nwallins | going back for fest |
| 05:37.43 | Nyle | nice |
| 05:37.49 | Nyle | jazz?freak? |
| 05:37.49 | pgpkeys | by default yes. /usr/local by the FHS is supposed to be specifically for additional software that admins install local to and specific to that machine |
| 05:37.53 | Nyle | voodoo? |
| 05:37.57 | Nwallins | jazz fest, stevie on thursday |
| 05:38.00 | Nyle | I like all fests |
| 05:38.01 | Nwallins | was backstage at voodoo |
| 05:38.03 | Nyle | ahh jazz fest |
| 05:38.06 | Nyle | nice |
| 05:38.10 | Nyle | I worked voodoofest last |
| 05:38.11 | klync | peterius: it just got crufty - i couldn't keep track of which libs were for which apps, etc. |
| 05:38.18 | Nwallins | nice -- I was at Noomoon stage |
| 05:38.24 | Nwallins | le carnivale or whatever |
| 05:38.26 | Nyle | stagemanager for stageright production company |
| 05:38.28 | Nyle | 3 years back |
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| 05:38.36 | Nyle | cool anyway, we is offtopic |
| 05:38.37 | Nyle | ! |
| 05:38.38 | Nyle | :) |
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| 05:38.50 | klync | peterius: ymmv |
| 05:38.57 | pgpkeys | back in about 20. last part of die hard 4.0 |
| 05:38.59 | peterius | klync: you know my local/lib is pretty empty, just a few things, I think I'll go for it |
| 05:39.06 | peterius | klync: what's ymmv? |
| 05:39.12 | pgpkeys | ypu milage may vary |
| 05:39.13 | peterius | and how often do the debian packages get updated exactl? |
| 05:39.16 | Nwallins | mactimes: the array would be 'degraded', running on one disk |
| 05:39.18 | Nyle | beat me to it |
| 05:39.21 | pgpkeys | s/ypu/your/ |
| 05:39.23 | pgpkeys | g |
| 05:39.30 | Nyle | pgpkeys, just give up |
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| 05:39.31 | Nyle | :) |
| 05:39.31 | Nwallins | mactimes: you would want to add another disk ASAP to get back to RAID-1 |
| 05:39.40 | pgpkeys | Nyle: hehe think you're right <grin> |
| 05:39.55 | muse | hey all |
| 05:39.56 | Nwallins | mactimes: and, if you need a backup, your main array disks are probably still ok |
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| 05:40.14 | klync | peterius: "your milage may vary", or, "maybe i screwed up and it's actually really easy" |
| 05:40.17 | Nwallins | i.e. backups are for destroyed data, not destroyed hardware |
| 05:40.24 | SpaT | Tramp: ulimit seems to do the trick |
| 05:40.34 | muse | is there anyway i can modify the target location of a package install? |
| 05:40.47 | muse | my /usr is almost full and i'd like to install some packages to /usr/local |
| 05:40.47 | mactimes | Nwallins: I understand your point and think it is pretty valid point of view; but my question is: Do you use RAID1 for the OS portion, including boot loader, or for user data only? |
| 05:41.09 | Nwallins | mactimes: everything. grub boots to md0 |
| 05:41.21 | mactimes | Nwallins: I mean, can you boot the system from any of the disks? |
| 05:41.35 | peterius | klync: I always have compiled things from source, but a couple months ago my gtk libs or glibs got criss-crossed in some subtle way and I eventually had to reinstall the OS, tired of errors in every app |
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| 05:41.44 | mactimes | Nwallins: Hummm. So, do you have to set up grub for each of the disks?? |
| 05:41.50 | Nwallins | mactimes: it's doable |
| 05:41.57 | Nwallins | mactimes: i did it earlier, but i have since rebuilt |
| 05:42.16 | Tramp | SpaT: by limiting the total CPU time? |
| 05:42.21 | Nwallins | you would want grub on all 3 MBRs |
| 05:42.53 | mactimes | Nwallins: Hummm. This way I'll have a quick replacement in case of failure, right? |
| 05:43.02 | klync | peterius: omg... i couldn't imagine maintaining gnome from sources ... but, that "criss-crossed in some subtle way" is why i'd keep the whole mess under a user account, instead of on the system - unless you really do have many users in need of the same sw |
| 05:43.10 | Nwallins | mactimes: hot spare gives you that |
| 05:43.36 | mactimes | Nwallins: Could you give me directions to install grub on each of those disks? |
| 05:43.40 | Nwallins | i am proposing to rotate the active "two" among the three disks -- not to protect against failure |
| 05:43.51 | Nwallins | but to protect against data loss |
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| 05:43.58 | Nwallins | as RAID doesn't help there |
| 05:43.58 | SpaT | Tramp: yeah i think this might be the only way to tame a run away apache process |
| 05:44.03 | Nwallins | mactimes: one sec... |
| 05:44.23 | mactimes | I'm not worried about data loss, once I do backup regularly. |
| 05:44.26 | peterius | kylnc: well I don't have multiple users really... but I don't like the idea of common libs like that being in my home folder... I don't know... home folder to me seems just development stuff, really experimental, if its a stable release of something that's just not in stable debian... |
| 05:44.27 | klync | peterius: if you're compiling gtk et al, i'd have to wonder why you're using debian, with all due respect to the most wonderful flavour of linux evar |
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| 05:44.45 | SpaT | Tramp: however i am first going to see if ajust nice level works |
| 05:44.56 | peterius | klync: I used to love the idea that every piece of software on my system was compiled from source, that was why I started using linux in the first place |
| 05:45.15 | Tramp | SpaT: hmm - well, yeah - give it a try, can't hurt 8) |
| 05:45.19 | peterius | klync: but now, I'm a little older and a little more stressed out and I don't have the time to muddle through everything, fixing little config errors here and there |
| 05:45.29 | klync | peterius: linux from scratch? gentoo? slackware? (even that has a package manager now!) |
| 05:46.49 | peterius | klync: package managers... I don't know... it seems silly to have a separate code package distributed and maintained separate from the main group, more to go wrong, etc... like right now, debian's freetype is buggy, so I need the latest version, but I guess its all a necessary evil |
| 05:46.58 | Nwallins | mactimes: should be as simple as: root(hd0,0); install(hd0); root(hd1,1); install (hd1); etc. from within grub |
| 05:46.59 | klync | peterius: hmm... have you considered running debian unstable and helping maintain the pkgs you're interested in keeping ahead of the curve on? that might actually end up being easier |
| 05:47.27 | peterius | klync: do you know the difference between experimental, testing, and unstable? |
| 05:47.37 | peterius | I've been warned against experimental, harshly |
| 05:47.56 | muse | klync: how do you alter the target location for a package install - that is something that i dont like about 'packages' |
| 05:48.01 | klync | peterius: it's explained on debian.org ... all i need to know is the difference between stable and obsolete |
| 05:48.07 | Nwallins | mactimes: assuming hd0,etc. is a raid drive and boots off the first partition |
| 05:48.15 | mactimes | Nwallins: Thanks! Just took a note. I'm going to try it once debian finishes installing. |
| 05:48.28 | muse | klync: and I couldn't help noticing this discussion |
| 05:48.38 | klync | muse: you can step through the stages that `dpkg -i foo` would do, as per the apt manpages.... |
| 05:48.43 | peterius | well klync: why did they warn me so harhsly against "experimental" |
| 05:48.48 | klync | muse: did you ask the question above about /usr being almost full? |
| 05:49.25 | klync | peterius: i think b/c it breaks from time to time, and doesn't necessarily get security updates, so it wouldn't make a good production server |
| 05:49.35 | Nwallins | mactimes: please double-check against docs/google -- i didn't know much about grub a week ago |
| 05:49.39 | muse | klync: yup... and i am almost on the verge of removing gnome |
| 05:49.47 | klync | peterius: also, b/c noobs tend to go for bleeding edge and then come crying when it all goes to s**T |
| 05:50.03 | klync | muse: i was going to answer, then realized it's a bit more complicated than i thought.... |
| 05:50.10 | muse | :) |
| 05:50.21 | muse | well hey - i never expected it to be easy |
| 05:50.23 | mactimes | Nwallins: Hummm. Ok, I know some procedures for grub. But, sure, I'm going to double-check. Thanks! |
| 05:50.38 | klync | muse: the manpages for apt explain how to break an install down by steps - download - pre-configure - compile - post-install scripts.... |
| 05:50.39 | peterius | klync: well do I just add "unstable" to my sources.list? after non-free? |
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| 05:51.02 | klync | muse: you could run the steps manually, and just do ./configure by hand to set the path... but, it's those post-install scripts that might bust |
| 05:51.19 | mactimes | Nwallins: Since this is only a virtual test machine, there is plenty room for errors (yet) ^^ |
| 05:51.25 | Nwallins | mactimes: heh, great |
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| 05:51.41 | klync | peterius: no cat /etc/apt/sources.list | sed s/\ stable/ unstable/g |
| 05:51.51 | Nwallins | noticed a typo of mine above -- should be root (hd1,0) not root (hd1,1) |
| 05:52.07 | peterius | klync: what if I want both? |
| 05:52.11 | klync | peterius: you can't |
| 05:52.13 | muse | klync: I am not sure i understand... ./configure - isn't that part of installing from sources? |
| 05:52.15 | peterius | cries |
| 05:52.26 | mactimes | Alright. I'll fix in my notes. |
| 05:52.35 | enouf | muse: perhaps an option to dpkg -i file.deb ... but, i know dpkg -x takes a path location |
| 05:52.39 | Nwallins | assuming /boot is the first partition on the physical drive |
| 05:52.50 | mactimes | Right. |
| 05:53.00 | klync | muse: err, yeah... `dpkg -i` will usually fetch a precompiled bin pkg, but if you have deb-src's defined, you can dl source pkgs |
| 05:53.31 | klync | muse: sorry... i wasn't quite thinking about something i haven't played with in a while |
| 05:53.40 | enouf | not fetch, but install ;-) apt (or other) does the fetching ;-) |
| 05:54.03 | muse | hmmmm..... |
| 05:54.13 | enouf | use apt with -d to d/l only |
| 05:54.35 | klync | ya, listen to enouf ... clearly he mucks around with this stuff more often than I |
| 05:54.38 | enouf | the dpkg -i to install (or whatever is the best option) |
| 05:54.55 | muse | :) |
| 05:55.02 | Nwallins | mactimes: i'm not sure how grub gets to blur the lines between physical and raid partitions. for MBR it needs to by physical. and the MBR must point to a physical partition. so i guess grub can read a raid'd partition |
| 05:55.16 | enouf | klync: muse i'm not certain about all of this either - just spewing out the few bits i know |
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| 05:55.24 | klync | heh |
| 05:55.53 | mactimes | Nwallins: Well, what really matters is that it works: Grub rulz! |(^_^)| |
| 05:55.55 | muse | well hey - whats the big deal - if i break anything - i'll just learn something new... and if i do - will surely give you guys the feedback ;) |
| 05:56.09 | Miesco | Will windows media player play the ogm container? |
| 05:56.21 | vlt | Hello. What cache to flush when `nslookup <host>` returns the correct IP from bind on localhost but `ping <host>` tries an old IP address? |
| 05:56.43 | enouf | muse: man apt-get and man dpkg, maybe the 'apt howto' has useful info as well, if not the debian reference |
| 05:56.44 | muse | so if i removed gnome from my /usr - then did an apt-get of the sources - THEN if i do the dpkg -i |
| 05:56.47 | muse | it should work... |
| 05:57.09 | muse | enouf: i will definitely readup on that now that I know what to read :) |
| 05:57.25 | muse | enouf: or much rather, now that i know what to look for... |
| 05:57.27 | enouf | muse: you don't need to do the source thing, afaik, if you do, you want to make a .deb anyway |
| 05:58.14 | klync-afk | muse: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+modify+src+package |
| 05:58.19 | enouf | muse: /msg dpkg reference (and 'apt howto') ;-) |
| 05:58.26 | klync-afk | goes back to being away |
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| 05:59.00 | enouf | throws a left hook to counter that klync-afk jab :-P |
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| 06:00.02 | hti_pro | need help with compiling kernel |
| 06:00.19 | hti_pro | the "debian way" |
| 06:00.24 | peterius | make menuconfig? |
| 06:00.33 | enouf | muse: to remove gnome , do /msg dpkg remove gnome |
| 06:00.53 | klync | is glad he way away while the fightin' was breakin' out |
| 06:00.59 | enouf | hti_pro: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 06:01.03 | hti_pro | i got that part, the problem is that when i do the build it grows to like 2GB |
| 06:01.16 | hti_pro | is this right??? |
| 06:01.19 | enouf | hti_pro: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 06:01.27 | muse | wow guys - thanx a lot |
| 06:01.29 | enouf | er .. |
| 06:01.36 | enouf | muse: np |
| 06:01.42 | muse | appreciate it... lots of starting points... |
| 06:02.13 | enouf | hti_pro: lmao 2GB? wtf? |
| 06:02.25 | muse | hey - a quick one... |
| 06:02.31 | hti_pro | it is actually ubuntu but I'm told this is the way to do it for debian too. Please tell me something is wrong |
| 06:02.36 | muse | whats the latest GCC versionf for etch? |
| 06:02.50 | enouf | you're in the wrong channel hti_pro ;-) |
| 06:03.01 | rafuch0 | hey muse you are having troubles for install e17? |
| 06:03.03 | enouf | !info gcc etch |
| 06:03.05 | hti_pro | cuz if i have to wait for a 2GB kernel to load everytime I boot, my computer is takin the quick way down to the first floor if you know what im sayin |
| 06:03.08 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 06:03.15 | hti_pro | what channel should i be in |
| 06:03.23 | muse | !info gcc etch |
| 06:03.25 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 06:03.27 | vlt | Restarting the runnning nscd fixed it. |
| 06:04.03 | enouf | hti_pro: you're doing something very wrong - please try #ubuntu-{kernel} ?? |
| 06:04.06 | klync | vlt: right.... i couldn't remember... that's why i use dig |
| 06:04.28 | enouf | !tell muse -about msg the bot |
| 06:04.53 | muse | rafuch0: no not trouble installing - just trouble figuring out the build order :) |
| 06:05.08 | hti_pro | enouf: thanks |
| 06:05.15 | enouf | hti_pro: np |
| 06:05.25 | rafuch0 | muse, well if you want you can try my scipt it will do that nasty job for you |
| 06:05.39 | rafuch0 | :D |
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| 06:05.58 | rafuch0 | and in the execution it will showyou the order |
| 06:06.06 | muse | rafuch0: thank you - i would appreciate it |
| 06:06.19 | rafuch0 | dont worry bro :D here is the add |
| 06:06.21 | rafuch0 | adress |
| 06:06.28 | farditmitts | Heya all. I'm on a DHCP network but I'm using my own custom DNS server, anyone know the best place to override the nameserver given out by the DHCP server? |
| 06:06.44 | muse | enouf: sorry about that - will watch for it in the future |
| 06:06.55 | yang | farditmitts: /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 06:07.06 | farditmitts | Yes, but it gets wiped on reboot |
| 06:07.07 | enouf | muse: careful who you trust too ;-) .. no worries about the bot thing, now you know |
| 06:07.19 | yang | farditmitts: chmod that |
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| 06:07.28 | rafuch0 | muse, |
| 06:07.29 | rafuch0 | http://www.e17-stuff.org/content/show.php/e17script?content=78200 |
| 06:07.54 | farditmitts | yang: what?! |
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| 06:08.16 | rafuch0 | muse, i will really glad if you give me your feed back and if you any troubles please let me know |
| 06:08.23 | Tramp | farditmitts: man dhclient.conf, search for "supersede" |
| 06:08.24 | muse | enouf: ofcourse |
| 06:08.38 | mactimes | farditmitts: chmod a-w /etc/resolv.conf |
| 06:08.48 | muse | rafuch0: will do - for now - gotta hit the bed - tired... but thanks all :) |
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| 06:08.57 | Tramp | farditmitts: the variable you want to supersede is "domain-name-servers" |
| 06:09.01 | rafuch0 | good night |
| 06:09.25 | farditmitts | Tramp: Tnx dude, thats been buggin me for ages but never got round to sortin it |
| 06:10.02 | enouf | not sure, but man dhcpcd-bin is interesting |
| 06:10.09 | Tramp | farditmitts: yeah. I was once pissed enough with it to actually look it up 8) (though I use prepend, not supersede) |
| 06:10.50 | enouf | why i have no dhclient anything man pages ;-( |
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| 06:11.03 | enouf | i'm using dhcp :-P |
| 06:11.54 | klync | enouf: dhcpcd? |
| 06:11.57 | farditmitts | mactimes: I fail to see how permissions is relevant? |
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| 06:12.06 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:12.44 | mactimes | farditmitts: I just replied to your "chmod?" ^^ Didn't say it was relevant to the rest... Sorry if I couldn't make it clearer. |
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| 06:13.18 | enouf | klync: i guess ;-) -dhcpcd-bin,29273 -h sarge -Y -N -R eth0 |
| 06:13.35 | farditmitts | mactimes: I said 'chmod ?!' because yang suggested using it to fix my problem... Im still at a loss as to what he meant |
| 06:13.40 | klync | enouf: so maybe there's `man dhcpcd` instead of dhclient? |
| 06:13.50 | enouf | klync: yes |
| 06:14.03 | enouf | klync: time for an upgrade maybe ;-P |
| 06:14.16 | mactimes | farditmitts: He said that because you said your resolv.conf was being overwritten at each boot. |
| 06:14.19 | enouf | $ man dhcpcd |
| 06:14.19 | enouf | dhcpcd dhcpcd-bin |
| 06:14.29 | klync | scrolls up, realizes he's still 2 steps behind enouf, but then is glad that at least his OS is more up to date |
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| 06:15.26 | farditmitts | mactimes: hehhe, thats a bung way to fix it! |
| 06:15.46 | enouf | klync: i got a nice funky lovely lenny/sid mix with older kernel than etch :-p |
| 06:16.03 | mactimes | farditmitts: Well, I didn't say I agree to that either ^^ Just wanted to sort your "chmod?" doubt out. ^^ |
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| 06:16.08 | Tramp | farditmitts: except that it won't work probably, because dhclient runs as root and doesn't care, if the file has write permission (I suppose) |
| 06:16.10 | ampex2 | enouf: what's wrong with modern kernels? |
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| 06:16.46 | enouf | farditmitts: heh, one worse would be chattr and set the -i bit :-P |
| 06:16.52 | enouf | ampex2: nothing |
| 06:16.56 | farditmitts | Tramp: yep. totally, I was thinking that too. Not that I would ever actually tey to use that as a fix :) |
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| 06:17.06 | enouf | just happy with mine - works fine ;-) |
| 06:17.09 | farditmitts | s/tey/try |
| 06:17.16 | klync | enouf: voodoo ... i have svn from backports on one machine, and i'm dying to clean-reinstall it |
| 06:18.17 | enouf | Tramp: making the file immutable should do it ;-) |
| 06:18.53 | enouf | (obviously a real ugly hack) |
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| 06:20.07 | peterius | klync: so what's the proper way to get the system to use one library over another? I'm tempted to just change the /usr/lib/ link to point to my /usr/local/lib, but what's the kosher way? |
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| 06:20.38 | xingu | peterius: /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf |
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| 06:21.32 | peterius | xingu: so you change which directory it loads first? |
| 06:21.40 | peterius | which conf gets used when? |
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| 06:22.39 | enouf | xingu: so any updating, adding paths no longer should go in /etc/ld.so.conf file itself? or am i confusing the issue |
| 06:23.05 | xingu | enouf: seems not; although I note that there's no ordering in the conf.d/ dir which is a mistake |
| 06:23.33 | peterius | xingu: so if I want it to load /usr/local/lib first, I add that to what file? |
| 06:23.50 | enouf | ahh, perhaps the user's $PATH determines which is searched firstly? hrm |
| 06:23.51 | xingu | peterius: ldconfig manpage is a good place to start; see ldconfig -xv output for what the current search path actually is |
| 06:24.02 | xingu | enouf: LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 06:24.11 | enouf | xpoint: aye, my bad |
| 06:24.27 | enouf | er xingu , not xpoint |
| 06:24.27 | peterius | oh right the LD_LIBRARY_PATH, I forgot about that |
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| 06:24.42 | xingu | enouf: but it is deterministic, and it's seeded from the union of the libc builtin path as well as ld.so.conf |
| 06:25.07 | enouf | xingu: i see, thanks ;-) |
| 06:25.40 | xingu | oh excellent, ldconfig -xv is bust; try ldconfig -p |
| 06:26.01 | xingu | ldconfig -Xv is correct |
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| 06:26.46 | xingu | -XNv if you're being really paranoid |
| 06:26.59 | xingu | (I last looked at this when I last bootstrapped libc, which was obviously a while back) |
| 06:29.12 | enouf | very intersting ;-0 |
| 06:29.12 | Tramp | enouf: yeah - well. Or implementaing mandatory access control accordingly too ... 8) |
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| 06:29.41 | enouf | pff, acls :-P |
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| 06:31.12 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 06:31.13 | Haris1 | # Increase number of incoming connections backlog |
| 06:31.13 | Haris1 | net.core.somaxconn = 512 |
| 06:31.19 | Haris1 | what does incomming connections backlog mean? |
| 06:31.33 | peterius | how many incoming connections get queued up |
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| 06:31.38 | peterius | if you're full |
| 06:31.52 | Nyle | enouf, hola |
| 06:31.55 | Haris1 | if your full? |
| 06:31.59 | Haris1 | means? |
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| 06:32.20 | peterius | like if you have 512 max connections |
| 06:32.23 | enouf | Nyle: howdy |
| 06:32.24 | peterius | and 512 sockets are open |
| 06:32.35 | peterius | and 20 people more come on, then it holds the 20 more in the backlog, I imagine |
| 06:32.44 | Haris1 | aha! |
| 06:32.44 | Nyle | huh? |
| 06:32.57 | Haris1 | where/how can I check my max connections limit? |
| 06:33.20 | Nyle | what are you configurining? |
| 06:33.31 | Haris1 | net.core.somaxconn\ |
| 06:33.33 | Haris1 | net.core.somaxconn |
| 06:33.42 | Nyle | I have no idea what that is |
| 06:33.43 | enouf | i always see these windows users asking about this |
| 06:34.02 | Nyle | s/configuring* |
| 06:34.15 | enouf | it has to do with XP supposedly had a max conn of 10 or something, or Homey version did/does |
| 06:34.26 | Nyle | they all did |
| 06:34.28 | peterius | how come the little star update thing in gnome in the upper right doesn't go away after you update something? |
| 06:34.28 | Haris1 | well, my squid issue is still there |
| 06:34.37 | Haris1 | I'm not sure if my connection limit was reached |
| 06:34.38 | Nyle | you can easily find a patch for the required dll |
| 06:34.41 | Nyle | search google |
| 06:34.43 | Haris1 | but I need to make sure. |
| 06:34.45 | enouf | reg diving \o/ |
| 06:34.46 | Nyle | what has that to do with debian? |
| 06:35.04 | Haris1 | Nyle: my nat/masq box is on debian |
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| 06:35.13 | Haris1 | where squid sometimes doesn't answer the call |
| 06:35.41 | Nyle | there is a setting in squid for that |
| 06:35.50 | enouf | Nyle: i'm the only one making the wintendo reference |
| 06:35.53 | Haris1 | great! .. which one? |
| 06:36.04 | Nyle | Haris1, I am not sure, #squid may help |
| 06:36.20 | Nyle | Haris1, I have a squid server too, but its almost 3am |
| 06:36.22 | Nyle | :( |
| 06:36.22 | Haris1 | Nyle: Ok, give me a hint on what I'm looking for in squid |
| 06:36.27 | Nyle | no idea |
| 06:36.44 | enouf | Nyle: i could really go for a fresh pizza pie about now ;-) |
| 06:36.49 | Nyle | but I know there is a commented out setting, if you uncomment, you can set a limit, defautls to no limit I think |
| 06:37.06 | Nyle | the squid file is almost 4000 lines |
| 06:37.13 | Haris1 | if you'r talking about maxconn acls in squid, its not set |
| 06:37.34 | Nyle | then you need to consult with #squid gurus |
| 06:37.36 | Haris1 | infact I don't want to limit connections |
| 06:38.01 | Nyle | I have no idea why I'm trying to help you as I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish |
| 06:38.06 | Nyle | I remain an idiot. |
| 06:38.46 | Haris1 | The problem here is |
| 06:38.51 | Haris1 | squid doesn't answer the call at times |
| 06:39.04 | Haris1 | requests on port 80 time out at times |
| 06:39.06 | Nyle | you don't have any delay pools setup? |
| 06:39.15 | Haris1 | when I don't redirect it to squid it works |
| 06:39.16 | Nyle | any buckets configured? |
| 06:39.28 | Nyle | that can cause lags if misconfigured |
| 06:39.41 | Haris1 | buckets as in tc/iptables? Nope |
| 06:39.45 | Nyle | no |
| 06:39.49 | Nyle | squid delay pools |
| 06:40.08 | Nyle | not setup by default, just wondering if you set them up or not |
| 06:40.11 | Haris1 | nope, don't use them yet |
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| 06:40.36 | Nyle | I'm not that great with squid I recently started using it |
| 06:40.45 | Nyle | merely as a cache proxy |
| 06:41.19 | enouf | Haris1: are you the guy who increased max file desciptors b/c of some mysql timeouts or slowdowns or something? |
| 06:41.46 | Haris1 | enouf: well, not mysql, only squid |
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| 06:41.56 | enouf | oh, ok |
| 06:42.02 | Nyle | man im semi drunk |
| 06:42.14 | enouf | i'm semi hungry |
| 06:42.17 | Haris1 | why is /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_port_range set to 32768 - 61000 and not 1025 - 65355? |
| 06:42.50 | Haris1 | that doesn't hurt at this time, though |
| 06:43.51 | Nyle | get a little drunk, just light, not drunk drunk |
| 06:44.01 | Nyle | then smoke a joint, and then think about food |
| 06:44.03 | Nyle | :D |
| 06:44.26 | Nyle | mean steak, big fat potatos with butter sour cream and other stuff |
| 06:45.22 | Nyle | this germanish pub here man, first they get you drunk and then give give you a giant plate of food its awesome |
| 06:45.32 | Nyle | meat and potatos and alcohol is awesome |
| 06:45.38 | Nyle | am I still talking about food? |
| 06:45.51 | shivamib | im really stoned |
| 06:45.53 | shivamib | :) |
| 06:46.02 | Nyle | I lost the desire to get high |
| 06:46.05 | xingu | Nyle: scotch fillet wrapped in back backon with some fatass field mushrooms fried in garlic butter |
| 06:46.09 | shivamib | then again, it's kinda late here |
| 06:46.17 | Nyle | ugh |
| 06:46.19 | shivamib | getting the munchies! |
| 06:46.20 | Nyle | bacon? |
| 06:46.23 | Nyle | with mushrooms? |
| 06:46.25 | Nyle | disgusting |
| 06:46.28 | Nyle | goddan pig eater! |
| 06:46.30 | xingu | s/backon/bacon/ |
| 06:46.44 | xingu | Nyle: try it, you'll like it ;) |
| 06:46.46 | shivamib | chunky bacon |
| 06:46.51 | shivamib | ftw |
| 06:46.51 | Nyle | filthy swiner consuming infidel! |
| 06:46.55 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:46.56 | Nyle | j/k |
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| 06:47.12 | Nyle | I hate all pig flesh/nonflesh |
| 06:47.16 | mcgreg | hi |
| 06:47.33 | xingu | Nyle: goes well with the sour creme and and nice new (minature) potatoes |
| 06:47.36 | Nyle | beef, mutton, duck, chicken for me |
| 06:47.40 | Nyle | thats all, i hate fish too |
| 06:47.49 | Nyle | hate all seafood |
| 06:47.55 | shivamib | you forgot spam and eggs |
| 06:47.58 | xingu | Nyle: last time I had that lot it came with a side of crayfish, which wasn't as odd tastewise as it sounds |
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| 06:48.06 | shivamib | ack! |
| 06:48.07 | Nyle | crawfish |
| 06:48.11 | Nyle | not cray |
| 06:48.12 | xingu | Nyle: it was a bugger to pick a wine for though ;) |
| 06:48.21 | Nyle | unless cray is a diff kind of fish that i never heahrd of |
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| 06:48.40 | Nyle | crawfish otherwise known as mud bugs in Louisiana |
| 06:48.49 | xingu | Nyle: lobster |
| 06:48.51 | mcgreg | I have a small problem with git. I would like to use git version of mesa and xserver, making and stuff went all fine , and make install is "ok" too, but it install it in /usr/local/lib , though debian uses /usr/lib directly so the system doesnt use it. is there some trick? |
| 06:48.56 | Nyle | crayfish is lobster? |
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| 06:49.53 | xingu | Nyle: essentially, usually smaller claws; best meat is in the body/tail |
| 06:50.17 | peterius | mcgreg: we were just talking about such things |
| 06:50.25 | peterius | add a file to ld.so.conf.d with the library director |
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| 06:50.29 | Nyle | I like a good crawfish boil, nicely spiced |
| 06:50.32 | peterius | directory, and ldconfig will look there first |
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| 06:50.40 | Nyle | 3~4~3~0~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~1~0, |
| 06:50.43 | Nyle | fucking shit |
| 06:51.02 | Nyle | whoah man that was freaky sorry my keyboard all keys got pressed it was upside down |
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| 06:52.04 | icesword | hi guys,when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ,there is no choice for me to choose screen resolution,and refresh rate,what may i missed,i have googled some,and get a guide may makes sense.http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7. |
| 06:52.16 | icesword | and i am running lenny |
| 06:52.30 | Nyle | specify a priority for debconf |
| 06:52.44 | Nyle | use -p medium or -p low |
| 06:52.59 | Nyle | I think it is defaulting to a -phigh |
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| 06:53.14 | Nyle | I can't think of another reason it was skip out on those option pages |
| 06:53.25 | Nyle | s/was/would |
| 06:53.38 | icesword | wait,let me paste my xorg.conf |
| 06:53.48 | Nyle | icesword, if you read /etc/X11/xorg.conf under the comments up top |
| 06:53.53 | Nyle | you should see something like it |
| 06:54.05 | icesword | run some command ,right? |
| 06:54.22 | Nyle | icesword, dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 06:54.54 | icesword | only a phigh xserver-xorg |
| 06:54.58 | icesword | no plow |
| 06:55.48 | enouf | mmm just threw me some burgers onto the barbi ;-) |
| 06:56.02 | Nyle | oh god |
| 06:56.06 | Nyle | im thinking backwards |
| 06:56.07 | Nyle | am I |
| 06:56.19 | Nyle | yeh use phigh |
| 06:56.32 | enouf | Nyle: how can you not like fish and pigs? i love fish, and really like pigs ;-) |
| 06:56.39 | mcgreg | peterius: ok, thx for the answer first. now, I am unexperienced with such stuff, I might need a little more help. so, I need to create a file "libGL.conf" with the line /usr/local/lib for exmaple? I need it for every library individually? |
| 06:56.42 | Nyle | you are a sick fuck then :) |
| 06:56.52 | enouf | thank you ;-) |
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| 06:57.25 | peterius | I would call it local.conf |
| 06:57.26 | Nyle | anytime |
| 06:57.33 | peterius | but yeah, no just in general |
| 06:57.46 | peterius | it tells ldconfig to check /usr/local/lib before the default /usr/lib |
| 06:58.26 | mcgreg | peterius: so in the case of local.conf it'll check /usr/local/lib fo everything first? |
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| 07:00.30 | peterius | well the file /etc/ld.so.conf just tells it to include everything in ld.so.conf.d |
| 07:00.42 | peterius | so it just runs those directories, presumably in some order |
| 07:00.47 | peterius | alphabetical? |
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| 07:03.10 | mcgreg | well I'll try it , thx |
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| 07:04.45 | icesword | Nyle, when i ran dpkg-reconfigure phigh xserver-xorg,it said phigh is not installed |
| 07:05.10 | Nyle | - |
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| 07:05.25 | Nyle | -p is a switch, high is an argument for that switch |
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| 07:05.36 | Nyle | like normal unix commands |
| 07:05.37 | Nyle | you know |
| 07:05.41 | Nyle | etc. et.c |
| 07:05.56 | icesword | naaaaa,i am sorry,i am noob,unix is character sensible |
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| 07:09.32 | suppaman | hi |
| 07:09.44 | suppaman | can I split a comand on multiple lines in crontab? |
| 07:09.50 | icesword | http://pastebin.com/m4f651767 |
| 07:10.03 | icesword | Nyle, that is my xorg.conf |
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| 07:13.09 | civillian | suppaman: why don't you try it?? that would be easy to find out... |
| 07:13.09 | ricosecada | I am mouting my usb stick with via fstab like this: "/dev/sdb1 /home/rico/usb_stick ext3 user,noauto,rw 0 0", but I still can't gain write access as a normal user, what am I missing? |
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| 07:14.40 | NotInternat | RichiH |
| 07:14.41 | NotInternat | err |
| 07:15.02 | NotInternat | ricosecada: if im reading that right.. you need to mount it as the user that wants to write to it |
| 07:15.14 | NotInternat | thats what the user flag does doesnt it? |
| 07:15.30 | suppaman | civillian: I already tried using a \ at the end of the line |
| 07:15.38 | suppaman | civillian: that's why I came here asking |
| 07:15.58 | peterius | does alsa-source have the also header files and do I have to have the kernel source if I already have an alsa kernel and just want to use the header files? or is there a separate alsa-dev package? |
| 07:16.07 | ricosecada | NotInternat, yes you're right, I just found out that I had somehow only root permissions set on the stick. |
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| 07:17.05 | Internat | stupid nickname |
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| 07:17.56 | suppaman | but now it's much better |
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| 07:18.57 | extor | Can redhat printer drivers work with debian? I have a lexmark Z615 which has a RedHat driver on lexmark.com but no driver for any other distro |
| 07:19.24 | Penix | extor: a ppd file? |
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| 07:19.46 | Haris1 | Hello guys |
| 07:20.00 | Haris1 | Is there a way to check what number of connections are waiting in queue to be serviced? |
| 07:20.15 | peterius | I bet its in /proc somewhere |
| 07:20.31 | extor | Peniz its a .tar.gz file |
| 07:20.40 | extor | http://downloads.lexmark.com/cgi-perl/downloads.cgi?ccs=229:1:0:389:0:0&emeaframe=&fileID=1151&searchLang=en&os_group=Redhat |
| 07:21.03 | peterius | haris1 its got to be in /proc/net somewhere |
| 07:21.09 | peterius | waves goodbye |
| 07:21.27 | extor | http://www.downloaddelivery.com/downloads/cpd/CJLZ600LE-CUPS-1.0-1.TAR.gz <--- there it is |
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| 07:41.26 | icesword | <Nyle> specify a priority for debconf,how to |
| 07:41.38 | icesword | Nyle, you there still , |
| 07:41.54 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 07:41.59 | Nyle | no |
| 07:42.08 | Nyle | -p |
| 07:42.17 | Nyle | low/medium/high |
| 07:42.25 | simonrvn | likes "low" ;) |
| 07:42.27 | Nyle | simonrvn, is also correct |
| 07:42.35 | Nyle | but he misunderstood the query |
| 07:42.39 | Nyle | simonrvn, hi |
| 07:42.47 | simonrvn | hello |
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| 07:43.19 | simonrvn | quite possobile i'm a) distracted b) tired c) it's almost 4:00 |
| 07:43.30 | simonrvn | ...and can't spell either it looks like |
| 07:43.30 | Nyle | yes |
| 07:43.32 | Nyle | yes it is |
| 07:43.46 | Nyle | 3:43 am |
| 07:43.56 | icesword | Nyle, so the command is dpkg-reconfigure -p debconf? |
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| 07:44.10 | Nyle | no |
| 07:44.17 | Nyle | what are you trying to reconfigure |
| 07:44.18 | Nyle | ? |
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| 07:44.21 | Nyle | which package |
| 07:44.41 | Guerin | debconf, by the seems |
| 07:45.05 | icesword | Nyle, as you see,i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg.it didn't ask me to configure my display ,so there is the problem |
| 07:45.11 | Nyle | and it shoudl be dpkg-reconfigure -p(high/low/medium etc. etc. here no spaces) packagename_that_needs_to_be_reconfigured |
| 07:45.14 | Nyle | etc. |
| 07:45.24 | Waistless | could someone please explain to me why there is no firefox or iceweasel 3 in the debian sid repos? |
| 07:45.36 | Nyle | icesword, dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 07:45.44 | Guerin | Waistless: because it's Sid. |
| 07:45.50 | Nyle | that makes all questions, even the LOW priority ones are displayed to you |
| 07:46.01 | Guerin | Waistless: corollary: because you haven't packaged it yet. |
| 07:46.01 | Nyle | such as monitor, resolution, vram, keymap, etc. etc. |
| 07:46.12 | Nyle | Guerin, ltns |
| 07:46.14 | Nyle | sup |
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| 07:46.38 | Guerin | Nyle: kia ora bro |
| 07:46.45 | Nyle | kuch nahi |
| 07:46.46 | Nyle | :) |
| 07:47.10 | icesword | Nyle, still ,it didn't ask me to configure my screen resolution and refresh rate... |
| 07:47.26 | Waistless | guerin: strange... it's just ubuntu hardy beta has it... does this mean debian sid is more stable than a beta OS? :P (wouldn't be surprised though, the ubuntu devs have been rolling out updates without even testing them when they were in alpha) |
| 07:47.27 | Nyle | "kya ho raha hai" literally (what happening-is now) |
| 07:47.38 | Nyle | icesword, seriously, then try -phigh |
| 07:47.47 | Nyle | maybe its the high priority questions you need to see |
| 07:47.52 | Guerin | Waistless: yes, sid is usually more stable than ubuntu's bleeding edge |
| 07:47.59 | Nyle | seriously I done forgot what all that priority shite was |
| 07:48.29 | Nyle | it always showed em to me |
| 07:48.34 | Guerin | Waistless: we have an extra thing called `experimental' which incorporates shit which hasn't had even the most rudimentary testing, use it at your peril. |
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| 07:48.42 | Nyle | I don't have to do nothing special except dpkg-reoncigure xserve-rxorg |
| 07:48.43 | Nyle | etc. |
| 07:49.28 | Waistless | guerin: that'd be right, they rolled out a corrupt libc6 update during the alpha stage (which completely borked systems and a liveCD was needed to restore package). I mean if they had bothered to apt-get install it themselves... sheez. |
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| 07:49.37 | Waistless | guerin: not in there either, oh well :P |
| 07:49.39 | Guerin | heh |
| 07:49.48 | Guerin | build! |
| 07:49.59 | Axelix | good morning everybody. |
| 07:50.04 | simonrvn | wootage |
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| 07:50.08 | icesword | i tried both,it just simply rewrite the xorg.conf ,and for now this some of my xorg.conf,section screen identifier "default screen " monitor "configured monitor" |
| 07:50.22 | simonrvn | <-- happy ndn with an happy ldap |
| 07:50.45 | Waistless | guerin: doesn't matter much anyway, swiftweasel 2 is about as fast as firefox 3 anyway :P , just curious |
| 07:51.04 | Guerin | wtf is swiftweasel? |
| 07:51.13 | Guerin | cba goog |
| 07:51.13 | Waistless | whoops |
| 07:51.14 | Waistless | iceweasel |
| 07:51.16 | Waistless | haha |
| 07:51.39 | Guerin | hm |
| 07:52.16 | simonrvn | almost... even with extensions like webdev ff3 is faster on my ancient box |
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| 07:55.16 | Axelix | Question about GNOME: i prepared my gnome-desktop for one user as prefered. added some applets, icons, colors, preferences to nautilus etc. now i would like to "copy" those preferences to another user as a "default preset". any hints how to manage this? |
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| 07:55.44 | icesword | thinks it is in /home |
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| 07:56.16 | Penix | Axelix: google for 'Sabayon' perhaps |
| 07:56.25 | Axelix | a lot of things are at /home |
| 07:56.33 | Penix | Axelix: does user desktop profiles and stuff IIRC |
| 07:56.39 | simonrvn | ~/.gnome2* dirs, plus ~/.gconfsomething |
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| 07:56.44 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 07:56.52 | simonrvn | it may even be packaged |
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| 07:57.23 | Axelix | thanks. ill investigate this Sabayon thingy |
| 07:57.30 | icesword | !tell me about bts |
| 07:57.43 | simonrvn | use /msg thanks |
| 07:58.04 | icesword | thanks,i prefer this,and i will file a bug |
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| 08:05.16 | Haris1 | guys |
| 08:05.24 | Haris1 | How can I change the status of a package that's pn to un? |
| 08:06.10 | Guerin | Haris1: install it, the uninstall it, without purging. |
| 08:06.21 | ^shark_ | i think i have a bug in my bind, when i tail -f /var/log/daemon.log, i get this >>http://pastebin.com/f1235fecf |
| 08:06.22 | Guerin | but it doesn't make a damned bit of difference |
| 08:06.32 | ^shark_ | i am running etch |
| 08:06.44 | Guerin | ^shark_: BTS |
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| 08:09.09 | Haris1 | I like a clean system |
| 08:09.13 | Haris1 | pn reminds me of unfinished work |
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| 08:23.27 | mcgreg | I just ran ldconfig -N -X -v|grep '^/.*:$' and checked what path are check when loading libs. now, /usr/local/lib: and /usr/local: are listed first. but my Xorg and Mesa used libs are still old ones. I don't get it. |
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| 08:25.38 | mcgreg | oh , it is partially |
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| 08:31.08 | icesword | coz i am running sid,so before i file a bug,i would rather upgrade to see what happens |
| 08:31.18 | thesyko | hi there guys |
| 08:31.22 | thesyko | just wanna ask a q |
| 08:31.34 | thesyko | i'm having this weird problem where |
| 08:31.39 | icesword | naaaaaaaaa,lenny/sid |
| 08:31.51 | thesyko | suddenly i cant ping or ssh into myserver |
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| 08:32.05 | thesyko | i gotta reboot it then only i cant gain access into it |
| 08:32.36 | thesyko | anyone knows what maybe wrong with it? |
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| 08:33.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | thesyko, any more information coming? |
| 08:33.15 | thesyko | hmmm |
| 08:33.19 | thesyko | basically |
| 08:33.25 | thesyko | its a fresh install of etch |
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| 08:33.34 | thesyko | using the netinstall cd r3 |
| 08:33.40 | icesword | heheee |
| 08:33.51 | icesword | it is not to the point |
| 08:34.05 | thesyko | i ran a full apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:36.39 | Waistless | does anyone know how I could change the gcc version 4.2 to 4.1 in debian sid? none of the instructions i have found so far seem to work |
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| 08:38.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | Waistless, install it? |
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| 08:38.41 | Waistless | gcc depends on gcc 4.2 |
| 08:38.46 | icesword | Waistless, "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-$whatever", or /usr/bin symlinks not handled using Debian <alternatives>, see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian |
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| 08:38.48 | Waistless | and 4.2 overrides 4.1 |
| 08:38.57 | Waistless | yes. export cc has not worked |
| 08:39.01 | thesyko | kaiser, what other info do you need? |
| 08:39.11 | icesword | hehe |
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| 08:39.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | thesyko, have you installed anything / configured anything? |
| 08:39.26 | Waistless | icesword: gcc -v still reports version 4.2.3 after running that command |
| 08:39.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | Waistless, "not worked"? |
| 08:39.45 | thesyko | Nope |
| 08:39.50 | thesyko | it's a fresh install |
| 08:39.56 | thesyko | with ssh server only |
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| 08:40.15 | icesword | thesyko, is it online,why cannot you ping |
| 08:40.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | thesyko, and the dist-upgrade intalled all packages ok? no conflicts/errors? |
| 08:40.45 | thesyko | i can ping but after sometime |
| 08:40.49 | thesyko | it will go silent |
| 08:40.55 | thesyko | meaning cannot ssh / ping |
| 08:41.03 | Waistless | kamping_kaiser: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 and gcc -v still return 4.2.3 |
| 08:41.07 | thesyko | only way to gainback access is to reboot it |
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| 08:41.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | Waistless, because saying 'gcc' calls the binary in /usr/bin/ directly |
| 08:41.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | try CC -v |
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| 08:42.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | thesyko, sounds like your having some strange hardware issue (or hardware/software clash) |
| 08:42.20 | Waistless | kamping_kaiser: cc -v still returns gcc version 4.2.3 |
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| 08:42.48 | thesyko | when the server was running redhat 9 |
| 08:42.51 | thesyko | it was ok |
| 08:42.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | Waistless, CC -v or cc -v? |
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| 08:43.01 | thesyko | i trashed redhat 9 becasue i hate redhat |
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| 08:43.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | thesyko, what is the system? |
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| 08:43.45 | Waistless | CC results in command not found, so it's case sensitive and needs to be in lower case |
| 08:43.56 | thesyko | its a dual proc P III with 2 gb of ram |
| 08:44.08 | thesyko | and raid 5 scsi |
| 08:45.25 | Waistless | and the module I need to compile (rt73 wireless module) still won't compile, which I can only assume is due to the fact that the kernel was compiled with 4.1 and is still using 4.2 (it did this to my nvidia driver as well, so i assume this is what's happening) |
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| 08:45.38 | makdaknife | hello |
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| 08:46.47 | thesyko | so any ideas? |
| 08:47.07 | thesyko | the weird this was yesterday when it was o redhat 9 it was ok |
| 08:47.18 | thesyko | it was running for about 3 years fine |
| 08:47.35 | Axelix | thesyko - i wrote u a question. what about answering that ? |
| 08:47.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | thesyko, you''ll have to check syslog/dmesg/messages for pointers about why it might be crashing |
| 08:47.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | (which i suspect is whatits doing) |
| 08:48.47 | thesyko | sorry didnt see your question axelix |
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| 08:59.03 | SleepingSloth | is there a simple way of seeing what is responsible for network traffic? |
| 08:59.42 | Christoph_vW | iptraf? |
| 09:00.01 | Christoph_vW | how can I add static routes for different users? |
| 09:00.16 | SleepingSloth | I have a wireless bridge that I am hardwired to - and a wireless router. As soon as I connect the wireless bridge up to the router by wire, I get high network activity, and I have no idea why... |
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| 09:00.27 | Christoph_vW | like all access for root, and a single static route for all normal users? |
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| 09:01.00 | magthe | anyone having problems with keyboard shortcuts disappearing on their Sid systems recently? |
| 09:01.13 | Penix | magthe: keyboard shortcuts with what? for what? |
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| 09:02.32 | magthe | Penix: the regular type, built-in in Gnome, such as âLock screenâ |
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| 09:02.54 | magthe | I've assigned that one to Ctrl+Alt+L, but nothing happens when hitting it |
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| 09:03.16 | magthe | same story for âLaunch web browserâ, and the others I use |
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| 09:05.18 | icesword | magthe, sid is not supported |
| 09:05.31 | darius12 | hello, I have the classic "too low entropy" problem on a headless, keyboardless server (2.6.24 kernel) |
| 09:06.10 | darius12 | I somewhat helped it by patching the kernel a little and adding the raid controller and the network card driver interrupts as entropy sources |
| 09:06.13 | magthe | icesword: huh? what exactly do you mean? |
| 09:06.46 | darius12 | but still my entropy values are in the 200-400 range |
| 09:06.46 | magthe | icesword: all I'm wondering is if I'm the only one seeing this, if I am then I need to look into it myself, otherwise I'll make sure there's a bug report on it |
| 09:06.47 | icesword | magthe, they don't encourage to use sid |
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| 09:07.06 | magthe | icesword: âtheyâ? |
| 09:07.12 | icesword | debianers |
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| 09:07.16 | Waistless | Kamping_Kaiser: don't worry now, I figured it out myself. export didn't seem to do crap so I looked it up and created the symbolic link myself. it's the right version now |
| 09:08.17 | darius12 | Anybody else having this problem? Do you guys/girls just use /dev/urandom for everything? |
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| 09:08.47 | nevyn | darius12: what are you using /dev/random for? |
| 09:08.56 | Christoph_vW | how can I get rid of the default gw? |
| 09:09.10 | Christoph_vW | eth0 is set to static and I did not set any gateways |
| 09:09.30 | magthe | icesword: well, for desktop systems I've found, during my 10+ years on Debian, that Sid is more stable than testing and much more up-to-date than stable |
| 09:09.46 | darius12 | nevyn: e.g., gpg uses it when it wants to create new keys |
| 09:09.50 | nevyn | right |
| 09:09.55 | nevyn | but you do that like.. once. |
| 09:10.09 | darius12 | not really (in a server) |
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| 09:10.18 | icesword | magthe, what ?they always warnz don't touch it,unless you know how to manage a broken system |
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| 09:10.40 | nevyn | darius12: and did you read the gpg docs where it says you should never generate a key on a remote system? |
| 09:10.59 | darius12 | I did |
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| 09:11.05 | magthe | icesword: yes, I know, but still, âunstableâ in the Debian world means more than âstableâ in pretty much any other world! |
| 09:11.19 | nevyn | darius12: entropy shouldn't be that tricky to find |
| 09:11.33 | icesword | magthe, hehehe,i think not for a server system |
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| 09:11.44 | nevyn | icesword: depends. |
| 09:11.52 | nevyn | my mythtv systems all run unstable. |
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| 09:12.02 | magthe | icesword: there are no guarantees, and there's is a risk that your system will break terribly, but in my experience that hasn't since the switch to libc6 in the 90's |
| 09:12.03 | icesword | mythtv |
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| 09:12.29 | nevyn | magthe: the c++ abi horror |
| 09:12.39 | magthe | icesword: I've found Debian Sid to be more stable on servers than Windows on servers |
| 09:12.39 | icesword | the point is to manage broken system |
| 09:12.40 | darius12 | nevyn: please explain how can I get more entropy. |
| 09:12.47 | mwe123 | hi there, does anyone know how to disable the check for PADO packets at pppoe connections? |
| 09:13.02 | darius12 | There is no soundcard or video4linux devices |
| 09:13.17 | darius12 | and no hardware rng. |
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| 09:13.44 | magthe | nevyn: didn't bite me, and those kind of changes are most often staged in experimental... by the time it hits Sid it's a HUGE upgrade, but afterwards your system will be as good as before |
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| 09:13.59 | nevyn | magthe: you don't use kde? |
| 09:14.03 | ShredZ | I upgraded to etch, but there seems to be no ssl files for cups. |
| 09:14.21 | magthe | nevyn: nope, Gnome user (hence my initial question about keyboard shortcuts in Gnome) |
| 09:15.33 | magthe | icesword: for servers I do stick to Debian Stable though, at least most of the time ;) |
| 09:15.53 | icesword | magthe, naaa,i would say so |
| 09:16.04 | Penix | ShredZ: you mean, no ssl certifcate(s)? |
| 09:16.10 | nevyn | magthe: it bit kde pretty hard. |
| 09:16.12 | Penix | certificate even |
| 09:16.17 | ShredZ | Penix, yes |
| 09:16.51 | Penix | ShredZ: try openssl req -new -x509 -keyout /etc/cups/ssl/server.key -out /etc/cups/ssl/server.crt -days 365 -nodes |
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| 09:17.00 | magthe | nevyn: ah, can only imagine, since your whole desktop is implemented in C++, I think I only skipped updating for a day or two... that's it, no drama, nothing |
| 09:17.18 | Penix | day or two? |
| 09:17.19 | Penix | heh |
| 09:18.05 | magthe | nevyn: anyway, that isn't something that happens every month, and it's quite easy to stay away from troubled areas with a bit of care in aptitude |
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| 09:20.37 | icesword | i asked dpkg find xserver-xorg*,then he will tell me the xserver-xorg* packages,right,and it tole me 5of72,how to view the others |
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| 09:21.42 | magthe | icesword: have you tried using 'apt-cache search'? |
| 09:22.09 | magthe | it give me 93 answers |
| 09:22.18 | icesword | it will include packages installed ? |
| 09:22.28 | magthe | icesword: nope |
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| 09:22.53 | magthe | icesword: but dpkg won't include all non-installed packages, as you found |
| 09:23.11 | icesword | magthe, problem is i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg,no options for me to configure display like screen resolution and refresh rate |
| 09:23.45 | icesword | WormFood, hiya,how is it going there |
| 09:24.28 | [kladizkov] | whats equivalent to this line in debian.../etc/rc.d/init.d/functions |
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| 09:24.43 | magthe | icesword: hmm, strange 'debconf-show xserver-xorg' says that settings like that are on that package |
| 09:25.00 | WormFood | hi icesword, I'm doing ok...how are you doing? |
| 09:25.00 | dpkg | WormFood: you know how it is... |
| 09:25.01 | aptitude | WormFood: mas o menos |
| 09:25.06 | icesword | magthe, naaaa,don't know |
| 09:25.13 | Christoph_vW | why does debian always sets a default gw? I don't want it :/ |
| 09:25.22 | icesword | WormFood, i am managing this display problems |
| 09:25.39 | magthe | icesword: what level of priority on questions asked by debconf do you have set? |
| 09:25.43 | Christoph_vW | interface is configured static, no gateway is set |
| 09:25.51 | WormFood | I just cracked the password on this wireless network, so now I'm able to get online ;) |
| 09:26.45 | icesword | magthe, i am sorry ,i don't understand |
| 09:26.50 | WormFood | is "tiger" a common password in China? So far I've found 2 wireless networks in the same area (they appear to be different companies), that are using the same lame password |
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| 09:27.28 | magthe | icesword: 'debconf-show debconf' will show you the setting for debconf/priority, mine is set to 'medium' |
| 09:27.50 | magthe | it could be that the questions you want to answer in xserver-xorg fall below the priority you have set |
| 09:28.36 | icesword | magthe, debconf/priority :high |
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| 09:28.49 | icesword | WormFood, how you do so,you are so great guy |
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| 09:29.25 | magthe | icesword: try to see if lowering that to medium triggers the behaviour you want |
| 09:29.50 | icesword | how?command ? |
| 09:30.26 | magthe | icesword: 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' :) |
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| 09:31.34 | icesword | magthe, yaaa,finished,thank you |
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| 09:32.23 | magthe | icesword: did that expose the questions in xserver-xorg then? |
| 09:32.45 | icesword | i am not sure,let me run that again |
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| 09:34.29 | icesword | magthe, no ,i think i need paste my output of sudo debconf-show xserver-xorg |
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| 09:35.25 | master_of_master | hi, is it possible to use SuSE /etc/shadow entrees on debian? |
| 09:35.43 | magthe | icesword: oki, pass on the link |
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| 09:37.33 | icesword | http://pastebin.com/m6768fe0b |
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| 09:41.51 | magthe | icesword: funny, much shorter than my config, and it doesn't include 'xserver-xorg/config/display/modes' |
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| 09:42.11 | magthe | icesword: one option is of course to modify Xorg.conf manually |
| 09:42.18 | icesword | magthe, hehe, |
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| 09:43.50 | icesword | magthe, wait a minute,i will paste xorg.conf.old.0 in /etc/X11 |
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| 09:46.14 | fireba11 | #vmware |
| 09:46.16 | fireba11 | ups |
| 09:47.03 | icesword | magthe, http://pastebin.com/m3382522 |
| 09:47.45 | magthe | icesword: what do you want to do, more exactly? |
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| 09:48.36 | icesword | magthe, i want to change the display,resolution,refresh rate,and thx,and you are being patient |
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| 09:50.07 | rgr | beagled-helper is sucking the life out of my development machine. Shouldn't it shut up and go away when I start doing other things? |
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| 09:51.50 | magthe | icesword: first off, keep a backup of the config :) |
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| 09:52.12 | magthe | do you know the refresh rates for your monitor? |
| 09:52.21 | rgl | waves |
| 09:52.24 | icesword | yaaaa,75 |
| 09:52.32 | icesword | 75hz |
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| 09:52.48 | magthe | icesword: actually, first off, how old is your monitor/graphics card? |
| 09:53.07 | rgr | magthe: since when did age specify the refresh rate? |
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| 09:53.57 | icesword | magthe, hehe,i don't know,i bought in 2005 |
| 09:54.02 | magthe | rgr: haha, of course it doesn't, but I've found that it might actually be possible to get a good xorg setup /without/ any config file at all, at least on newer hardware |
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| 09:55.45 | magthe | icesword: just pop in the refresh rates at 'HorizSync' and 'VertRefresh' in the section 'Monitor' |
| 09:57.14 | magthe | then look at the section 'Screen' and make sure you have a 'Display' you are happy with |
| 09:57.35 | magthe | I usually end up removing 'Display' subsections that I'm not interested in |
| 09:57.47 | rgr | I find it astonishing that in 2008 with the improvements in desktop Linux that people new still have to edit the horrendous xorg.conf file as root. Its asking for trouble. |
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| 09:58.29 | peleg | is "flv" an "open" format? |
| 09:58.31 | icesword | magthe, can you rewrite a good xorg.con for me and paste it,and i have to leave for a while,and thank you very much. |
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| 09:59.58 | icesword | magthe, i am sorry,you ve helped a lot.wish you good luck,and thaks |
| 10:00.22 | magthe | icesword: I'll post a slightly modified config in the paste you made, OK? |
| 10:00.32 | magthe | after that, you're on your own ;) |
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| 10:02.14 | magthe | icesword: BTW, is this for a vmware based system? |
| 10:03.23 | j0rd | i'm runing etch and reiserfs . i'm getting reiserfs panics, which are fixed in 2.6.20-rc1 |
| 10:03.41 | j0rd | but etch runs 2.6.18-5 |
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| 10:03.51 | Penix | j0rd: 2.6.22 is in backports IIRC |
| 10:03.54 | Maulkin | (etch runs 2.6.18-6) |
| 10:03.58 | j0rd | i've got the lastest kernel, but still getting the panics |
| 10:04.23 | Penix | j0rd: at boot or while the system is in use? |
| 10:04.36 | j0rd | Penix: both |
| 10:04.46 | Maulkin | And in general advice, don't run reiser :) |
| 10:04.52 | Penix | j0rd: ever thought you might have dodgy hardware? |
| 10:05.06 | j0rd | system was rebooted, and probably started running a newer kernel i had installed |
| 10:05.14 | j0rd | Penix: yes...i have thought of that |
| 10:05.28 | j0rd | Penix: but, i'm unable to find errors for mdadm logs |
| 10:05.42 | Penix | j0rd: that doesn't mean something isn't dying/going bad |
| 10:05.58 | j0rd | Penix: i hear ya...i assume it would be a harddrive |
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| 10:06.18 | Penix | j0rd: try a different drive in the same system (with reiser) |
| 10:06.25 | Penix | j0rd: also run memtest86 or something just in case |
| 10:06.26 | j0rd | i'm having a tough time figuring out which drive is faulty (i have 2 on raid0) |
| 10:06.38 | j0rd | Penix: system is in LA. im in bangkok |
| 10:06.42 | Penix | ah |
| 10:06.44 | j0rd | Penix: arms are not longenough |
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| 10:06.53 | j0rd | :D |
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| 10:07.20 | SzArAk | hi |
| 10:07.21 | j0rd | if i could figure out which drive is broken i could remove it from the raid |
| 10:07.24 | j0rd | and have it replaced |
| 10:07.33 | j0rd | but im not able to figure out which is faulty |
| 10:07.37 | Penix | j0rd: when did it start to panic? after you rebooted it oneday? |
| 10:07.40 | sep | j0rd, cat /proc/mdadm does not tell you ? |
| 10:08.04 | j0rd | sep: i only have /proc/mdstat |
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| 10:08.24 | sep | thats what i meant |
| 10:08.35 | SzArAk | how can i force backuppc's status page to refresh information in about pool statistics? |
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| 10:09.42 | sep | SzArAk, BackupPC_nightly but i would suggest you did not run that lightly since it's a heavy script |
| 10:09.46 | j0rd | sep: http://rafb.net/p/glcWNN47.html |
| 10:09.59 | j0rd | Penix: i was away when the problem started to happen |
| 10:10.09 | sep | j0rd, acording to mdadm your drives are fine |
| 10:10.20 | j0rd | sep: ya, which leads me to kernel issue |
| 10:10.21 | sep | what makes you think you have hardware problems ? |
| 10:10.47 | j0rd | sep: well...panic in my history, especially when dealing with FS errors...are usually faulty drive |
| 10:10.58 | j0rd | and ive had 0 problems with this system for about 2-3 years |
| 10:11.04 | j0rd | (about the life of harddrives) :D |
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| 10:11.17 | j0rd | but...it might have upgraded the kernel on boot |
| 10:11.20 | sep | ohh you have reiserfs. i would recrete the fs on a ext3 and restore from backups |
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| 10:11.25 | sep | :) |
| 10:11.28 | sep | !reiserfs |
| 10:11.28 | dpkg | rumour has it, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See <ext3>, <xfs>, or <jfs> for safer filesystems. Like the DHARMA Initiative: government-sponsored, highly scientific and secretive. <ext3 vs reiserfs> |
| 10:11.57 | sep | can you not try to boot on the previous kernel ? |
| 10:12.16 | j0rd | that was my next move |
| 10:12.26 | j0rd | i also tried to rebuild the reiser tree |
| 10:12.33 | j0rd | might be hard for me to reformat to ext3 |
| 10:12.37 | j0rd | because im not there |
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| 10:12.53 | j0rd | and i have a hard time backing up off current system |
| 10:13.02 | SzArAk | sep: but if i don't mind a while of high load on backup server - i just wanto to check if my pool is working fine, it should be ok to run it? |
| 10:13.16 | SzArAk | sep: manualy |
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| 10:13.51 | sep | SzArAk, check how cron runs it. and as wat user |
| 10:14.00 | sep | you can easily fry your pool :) |
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| 10:14.19 | sep | the safest is to wait for the night :) |
| 10:14.32 | SzArAk | oh :P thanks for advice :) |
| 10:14.58 | sep | or actualy reading the docs... that might be ok to :) |
| 10:15.17 | suwro | hello - anyone seen kde in ubuntu? - it is possible to add some features that kde inubuntu has - in debian ??? - like when you plug a new device, a note appears that a new device was fount, fancy transparent selector, taskbar improvement etc ??? |
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| 10:16.03 | Penix | suwro: ask #ubuntu |
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| 10:16.32 | wald0 | i have buy 2 extra GB of ram, so i have now 4 GB, but my system only thinks that I have 2,5 gb |
| 10:16.41 | SzArAk | well, yeah, but i'm testing and i had problems with making pool running at all ;P i moved my files and had some chaos in configs. i didn't realized /var/lib/backuppc/pool is the place he thinks the pool is. no matter what i've got in topdir. |
| 10:16.48 | wald0 | i have ear something that amd64 can have 4 gb if are running on 64 bits but not on 32 |
| 10:17.02 | wald0 | so... what i do ?? |
| 10:17.08 | Penix | wald0: you can use 4GB with 32bit x86 |
| 10:17.14 | sep | SzArAk, yes dont mess witrh that much easier to mount whatever storage you have as /var/lib/backuppc it's hardcoded too many places |
| 10:17.22 | j0rd | wald0: some motherboards suck |
| 10:17.34 | j0rd | wald0: and only support so much ram |
| 10:17.36 | ^shark_ | hi gus who can help me out on this >> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=140524#140524 |
| 10:17.49 | suwro | Penix: I am asking here - because if you read all my question, you will realise that i have debian pure - not ubuntu... The question is - if it is possible to add those features to us - lenny/sid distro users.... |
| 10:17.53 | wald0 | j0rd: is motherboard fault ? if i upgrade the firmware i can have 4 gb's ? |
| 10:17.53 | SzArAk | sep: i made a symlink to my raid on which all data are stored. .. it took me a while to notice the problem :/ |
| 10:17.54 | Penix | wald0: you may need HIGHMEM support to recognize all of it |
| 10:18.03 | wald0 | Penix: i have it set to 4 gb |
| 10:18.17 | Penix | suwro: yes, it is, by applying ubuntu's patches to the appropriate packages, but they'd know more about their patches |
| 10:18.22 | sep | suwro, check what packagse in ubuntu provide those and install debian verisons of it |
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| 10:18.43 | wald0 | Penix: no / 4gb / 64 gb. I have it to 4gb, its right, yes ? |
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| 10:18.54 | suwro | sep: I have no clue which packages dows that! |
| 10:19.00 | j0rd | wald0: i have no idea which motherboard you are using |
| 10:19.08 | suwro | Penix: ok - where to search the patches? |
| 10:19.16 | j0rd | wald0: and that's something you should lookup for yourself |
| 10:19.19 | SzArAk | sep: thank you for help. you propably saved me about 8 hours of useles tests :) |
| 10:19.20 | wald0 | j0rd: asus a8n5x |
| 10:19.21 | icesword | magthe, sorry,i am back,yes,you are expert,yes,it is in vmware |
| 10:19.23 | Penix | suwro: packages.ubuntu.com |
| 10:19.29 | wald0 | with a amd64 x2 |
| 10:19.44 | icesword | magthe, where is your link? |
| 10:19.44 | Penix | wald0: is this a server system? |
| 10:19.45 | wald0 | ok j0rd |
| 10:19.47 | j0rd | wald0: sounds like a recent decent board...should be fine |
| 10:19.50 | wald0 | Penix: no |
| 10:19.52 | suwro | Penix: but I have no clue what to look for... |
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| 10:20.01 | wald0 | j0rd: then doesn't has much sense |
| 10:20.17 | suwro | Penix: i think I have to compile KDE with they're improvement - no? |
| 10:20.23 | Penix | suwro: then figure it out. we sure as hell don't know which custom ubuntu changes you want to add to your system |
| 10:20.36 | sangriag | is there any internet usage monitoring application for every user in the network? |
| 10:20.37 | Penix | suwro: yes, the different components that have been changed anyway |
| 10:20.39 | suwro | Penix: never seen kde on ubuntu? |
| 10:20.52 | suwro | Penix: ok - thank you for your support. |
| 10:20.56 | suwro | Penix: peace. |
| 10:21.15 | j0rd | suwro: easy solution is to install ubuntu (its great for workstations) |
| 10:21.38 | Penix | yes, it certainly would be easier in the long run |
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| 10:21.43 | ferret | Does anyone know of any small alsa mp3 player (to use with cplay) that ISN'T mpg123-alsa (it crashes a lot) or something similar to or better than cplay (don't mention mpd, or alsa-oss, and it's debian stable so madplay is a no) |
| 10:21.51 | suwro | j0rd: you-re right (kubuntu) |
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| 10:22.16 | suwro | But I was willing that other debian users to benefit too from this. |
| 10:23.03 | Penix | suwro: that's fine, but you'll be spending a lot of time tracking all the changes in the various packages and modifying it all so you can apply it to the debian packages and rebuild |
| 10:23.13 | j0rd | suwro: you usually install your distro and stick to what it gives you ... i doubt most debian users are mashing up debian install with ubuntu features...if you want ubuntu's GUI stuff...install it |
| 10:23.16 | Penix | doing a maintainer's job, basically |
| 10:23.22 | peleg | is there a way to tell mplayer to get 100% buffer size before playing a mpg file from the web, in order to avoid stops in the middle of it? |
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| 10:23.49 | j0rd | peleg: you can set the buffer to a size...man mplayer |
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| 10:24.13 | j0rd | peleg: and search for"buffer" |
| 10:24.17 | peleg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:24.41 | suwro | ok - thank you all for your true answers :) |
| 10:24.43 | j0rd | peleg: ican't help you...no mplayer on my server |
| 10:24.49 | peleg | thanks |
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| 10:25.10 | SzArAk | well,, i felt confused while reading it. maybe it's becouse of my bad english. donno. ;) |
| 10:25.25 | SzArAk | sep: that was to you :P |
| 10:25.36 | SzArAk | (about the docs advice) |
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| 10:26.56 | Aishiko | is there an easy way to remove gnome? |
| 10:27.06 | peleg | anyone knows how to set buffer size in mplayer/ |
| 10:27.07 | peleg | ? |
| 10:27.12 | sep | !remove gnome |
| 10:27.12 | dpkg | from memory, remove gnome is remove libgnome32 and libgnome2-common |
| 10:27.45 | Aishiko | not from memory from the system |
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| 10:28.14 | cusco | dpkg: memorized it |
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| 10:29.28 | Aishiko | there hast ot be more then just 2 packages in the gnome install |
| 10:29.49 | cusco | all the others depend on that |
| 10:30.02 | ferret | peleg: mplayer -cache 1048576 works up to a gigabyte |
| 10:30.08 | ferret | I can't find a way to do better than that |
| 10:30.29 | Aishiko | that still leaves them on the system |
| 10:30.41 | cusco | Aishiko: no it doesn't |
| 10:30.43 | cusco | use aptitude |
| 10:31.13 | ferret | peleg: Might I suggest wget http://host/path/to/file && mplayer file ? ;p |
| 10:31.17 | Aishiko | aptitude? |
| 10:31.30 | zms | Can someone please take a look at aptitude/dpkg errors at http://pastebin.com/d6fa00f1d ? |
| 10:31.40 | cusco | aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
| 10:31.42 | Aishiko | !aptitude |
| 10:31.42 | dpkg | hmm... aptitude is "the preferred program for package management from console. aptitude supports most command line operations of apt-get and has proven to be better at dependency resolution than apt-get." (4.0 Release Notes). A mostly drop-in replacement for apt-get. Don't mix use of apt-get and aptitude. See <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> http://tinyurl.com/2ebd4m http://tinyurl.com/2hw8nx http://tinyurl.com/2y783t |
| 10:32.25 | Aishiko | OK I'll do that after the thing stops crunching |
| 10:33.45 | zms | I am suffering from "dpkg: too many errors, stopping" |
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| 10:35.43 | cedric3 | hi i search snmptt pakage for debian but i have not found this |
| 10:36.35 | cusco | cedric3: snmptt? |
| 10:37.04 | cedric3 | cusco : yes http://www.snmptt.org/ |
| 10:37.05 | tim_flatus | Question: I'm trying to watch one of the presentations on http://www.iet.tv/technology/infopro/index.html using iceweasel. I have installed mozplugger, but I don't know how to access any useful debugging information from it, so I have no way of workng out whether my changes to /etc/mozpluggerrc are having any effect. I'm sure the IET would be open to supporting Linux clients, but I'm guessing I may have to write them a mini-HOWTO. Are thre any experts |
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| 10:38.33 | cusco | cedric3: could snmptrapfmt be what you're looking for? |
| 10:39.23 | cedric3 | cusco : i think it's not the same no ? i want to use snmptt to translate the snmptrape when i receive for the nagios software |
| 10:39.33 | cusco | sorry I dunno |
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| 10:40.04 | cedric3 | cusco : no problem but you think snmptrapfmt is the same of snmptt ? |
| 10:40.05 | cusco | tim_flatus: I don;t know what mozplugger is but wouldn't mozilla-mplayer work? |
| 10:40.34 | cusco | cedric3: I don't even know what snmptt is ... see its description: apt-cache show snmptrapfmt |
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| 10:40.55 | cedric3 | cusco : yes thanks |
| 10:41.09 | tim_flatus | cusco: I am led to believe that it should. I'll reconfigure and try that again. |
| 10:41.30 | tim_flatus | It's such an undocumented area |
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| 10:44.14 | cusco | tim_flatus: you need to have mplayer installed tho |
| 10:44.45 | tim_flatus | cusco: I figured that. ;-) |
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| 10:45.25 | cusco | ask dpkg for dmm |
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| 10:46.02 | tim_flatus | dmm? |
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| 10:46.33 | Arelis | Why do you guys think OpenSuSe is evil? |
| 10:46.48 | tim_flatus | Arelis: because this is #debian. |
| 10:46.56 | tim_flatus | Don't ask dumb questions |
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| 10:49.14 | vasco | hello how can i delete all the cache arp |
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| 10:49.26 | vasco | i tried arp -d * but no works |
| 10:49.53 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 10:52.19 | Aishiko | Arelis, I don't be then I've not made up my mind yet on alot of distros, ubuntu however is evil |
| 10:52.32 | jelly | vasco: you'll have to loop over all the entries |
| 10:52.41 | shivamib | LO |
| 10:52.43 | vasco | ok |
| 10:52.55 | shivamib | Aishiko: and microsoft is good, i presume? |
| 10:52.56 | vasco | jelly, a scritp then? |
| 10:53.06 | shivamib | :) |
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| 10:53.50 | jelly | vasco: yes, but I believe it can be done with a oneliner as well |
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| 10:53.58 | user12345 | I'm installing Debian, is it OK to make /tmp an encrypted partition with a random passphrase and have no problems? |
| 10:54.17 | Aishiko | shivamib, nope they are equal |
| 10:54.22 | shivamib | ah |
| 10:54.24 | shivamib | okay |
| 10:54.43 | shivamib | except one is GRATIS |
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| 10:55.03 | Aishiko | hates backport updates from anyone especially when they crash and make it so you have to reinstall to fix the problem |
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| 10:55.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh. owned :p |
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| 10:57.28 | pelsey | Hello just got a quick newbie question. I was trying to update my flash player but now matter how many times I ran the installer it wasn't updating any of the so files except the one in mozilla-firefox directory - no good for epiphany or opera - so I just used common sense and replaced all the so files with the newer versions. Is there any disadvantage to this? I mean except for the extra time it took my obviously :) |
| 10:57.50 | pelsey | Sorry I'll try that again |
| 10:57.53 | pelsey | Hello just got a quick newbie question. I was trying to update my flash player but now matter how many times I ran the installer it wasn't updating any of the so files except the one in mozilla-firefox directory - no good for epiphany or opera - so I just used common sense and replaced all the so files with the newer versions. Is there any disadvantage to this? I mean except for the extra time it took my obviously :) |
| 10:58.16 | jelly | vasco: something like "/usr/sbin/arp -n|tail -n +2|awk '{print $1}'|xargs -n1 arp -d" (untested) |
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| 10:59.21 | jelly | s/untested/works for me/ ;-) |
| 11:00.23 | mquin | awk '$1 !~ /^IP/ {print $1}' /proc/net/arp | xargs -n1 arp -d |
| 11:00.37 | user12345 | rephrasing my earlier question, is anything important ever kept in /tmp or can data it be safely lost between reboots |
| 11:00.39 | pelsey | My grammar could have been better - sorry about that too |
| 11:00.51 | Hoxzer | Is there a way to check that no files included in packages haven't been deleted accidently ? |
| 11:00.57 | jelly | mquin: woohoo, saved two forks! |
| 11:01.16 | mquin | user12345: nothing important should be in /tmp, and it's typically cleared on reboot |
| 11:01.21 | mquin | jelly: :) |
| 11:01.24 | user12345 | thanks |
| 11:01.41 | user12345 | 1GB should be (more than) enough for /tmp, shouldn't it? |
| 11:01.55 | cedric3 | i search the net-snmp on debian etch i have not found if one have a solution very thanks |
| 11:01.58 | jelly | user12345: you can even use tmpfs for /tmp :-) |
| 11:02.27 | jelly | tmpfs 524288 188 524100 1% /tmp (on a 2GB machine) |
| 11:02.37 | pelsey | <user12345> well I've taken the precation of moving them first each time but nothing's gone wrong so far here deleting temp files. I also tend to leave those less than a day old, but I maybe being overcautious. |
| 11:03.12 | jelly | fstab entry: tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,size=512m 0 0 |
| 11:03.20 | icesword | i want to file a bug,how can i,i ve installed listbugs |
| 11:03.30 | petemc | reportbug |
| 11:03.47 | icesword | report to who |
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| 11:04.28 | cedric3 | nobody have any idea? |
| 11:04.39 | user12345 | well I'm asking because I'm planning to make /tmp encrypted with a random passphrase each time the system is booted, so it's lost when I shut down |
| 11:04.49 | petemc | icesword: reportbug is an application |
| 11:04.59 | Hoxzer | Does dpkg -L print out the current situation of the files on the system ? Or what files package should have on the system ? |
| 11:05.03 | icesword | ok |
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| 11:06.10 | ma3x | hello |
| 11:06.16 | ma3x | can you help me out with intel3945? |
| 11:06.28 | mquin | user12345: if you just want the contents of /tmp rendered useless on shutdown then tmpfs would acheive the same thing, without the crypto overhead |
| 11:06.31 | jelly | Hoxzer: it prints the files that have been installed through the package system. If files were changed manually, dpkg -L won't reflect that |
| 11:06.32 | ma3x | i installed everything, firmware, daemon .... |
| 11:06.36 | ma3x | but i get this error |
| 11:06.45 | ma3x | ipw3945: ipw3945.ucode load failed: Reason -2 |
| 11:06.51 | ma3x | ipw3945: Could not read microcode: -2 |
| 11:07.32 | user12345 | mquin: will it prevent recovery of anything that was in /tmp? |
| 11:08.07 | Hoxzer | jelly: ok, thanks |
| 11:08.20 | mquin | user12345: yeah - tmpfs is kept in RAM - no permanent storage involved |
| 11:08.27 | jelly | user12345: ... you could use a ramdisk, like Solaris has been doing for the last 10 years |
| 11:08.44 | mquin | jelly: that's what tmpfs is |
| 11:09.15 | jelly | mquin: I knows, that's where linux nicked the idea and the name from! |
| 11:09.25 | mquin | the only catch is that there is the possibility it'll be swapped out |
| 11:09.39 | mquin | in which case data may be recoverable from swapspace |
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| 11:09.52 | user12345 | my swap will be encrypted anyway |
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| 11:10.13 | mquin | user12345: no problem there then |
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| 11:10.54 | user12345 | so will my entire disk, but my original questio was if it would be safe to have /tmp with a random passphrase rather than one I enter on boot |
| 11:11.03 | user12345 | tmpfs sounds like a good idea though |
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| 11:12.48 | user12345 | can I set up tmpfs in the Debian installer or do I need to do it after it's installed |
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| 11:13.31 | ma3x | why do i get this: Unable to write to /var/cache/modass/rtai-source.apt_policy at /usr/bin/m-a line 470, <$apt> line 257. |
| 11:14.03 | mquin | user12345: it's probably worth doing some testing on your own, but I'm pretty sure that it would be safe - debian wipes /tmp on boot anyway (see /etc/init.d/bootclean) |
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| 11:14.25 | mquin | and there's plenty of systems out there using tmpfs |
| 11:14.53 | iunixan | i need good program to use with my conexant Tv tuner pci! |
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| 11:15.07 | tim_flatus | Question (going ...): I'm trying to watch one of the presentations on http://www.iet.tv/technology/infopro/index.html using iceweasel. I have installed mozplugger, but I don't know how to access any useful debugging information from it, so I have no way of working out whether my changes to /etc/mozpluggerrc are having any effect. I'm sure the IET would be open to supporting Linux clients, but I'm guessing I may have to write them a mini-HOWTO. Are thre |
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| 11:17.23 | Aishiko | this is loads of fun waiting to get a Desktop so I can remove gnome and having to it 1 package at a time |
| 11:18.29 | Aishiko | stops grumbling nad plans to figure out why the xorg is not working next |
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| 11:20.53 | user12345 | Is there an easy way to change my encryption passphrase when my whole disk is encrypted? I assume I would need to reencrypt all the data but are there any tools that can do that from a live CD? |
| 11:21.08 | user12345 | or are there any other ways to have an easily changable passphrase in case someone gets it |
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| 11:21.42 | cmwt | I am looking for a good portable hd to boot linux from... apparently seagate free agent doesn't work well.. |
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| 11:21.56 | wald0 | is there any problem for machines that has less than 4gb of ram, to set the kernel to 64gb higmem ? |
| 11:21.59 | cmwt | any suggestion will be appreciated |
| 11:22.12 | zm1 | How do I get around "I am suffering from "dpkg: too many errors, stopping"? |
| 11:22.26 | wald0 | zm1: do you are mixing repositories ? |
| 11:22.37 | Sero | Has anyone seen abrotman around here lately? |
| 11:23.19 | zm1 | wald0: I did install kde4 from experimental but the rest of the stuff is from unstable. |
| 11:24.12 | Sero | He helped me out forcing an upgrade of an old debian box to etch -- I now have access to the computer; and it is not dead (yippi!). However, the network interface is not recognized, or I am at least unable to bring it up -- any clues to what I can do to get the card running again? |
| 11:24.37 | Sero | ifup eth0 just prints: eth0 ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 11:25.18 | Sero | and lswh prints *-network UNCLAIMED, and then all info about the 3com network card |
| 11:26.06 | zm1 | wald0: you can check my sources.list here: http://pastebin.com/mb832b74 |
| 11:26.16 | wald0 | zm1: sorry, im out of X now |
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| 11:27.00 | zm1 | wald0: shall I paste here? some 8 lines |
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| 11:27.30 | Aishiko | cmwt, have you tried removing the software that they installed onto the seagate or not? that could be the issue |
| 11:28.00 | wald0 | zm1: i dont think that is permited 8, but anyways, is not needed |
| 11:28.08 | FordCortina_ | what's the command to see if a certain library is installed on your system? |
| 11:28.10 | wald0 | zm1: you need to know wich package do this problem and report the bug |
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| 11:28.46 | wald0 | FordCortina_: dpkg -l | grep ^[hi]i |
| 11:28.51 | zm1 | wald0: I am not an expert at any of this so it would be great if you can see the list once please. I will paste one a time. |
| 11:29.12 | FordCortina_ | ah pkg-config |
| 11:29.16 | FordCortina_ | thanks anyway |
| 11:29.25 | wald0 | zm1: if they are official debian repositories, with unstable / experimental, is not needed the paste |
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| 11:30.23 | zm1 | wald0: some are not |
| 11:30.23 | zm1 | wald0: 1. deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
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| 11:30.23 | zm1 | wald0: 2. deb http://www.virtualbox.org/debian/ etch non-free |
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| 11:30.23 | zm1 | wald0: 3. deb http://packages.debianbase.de/testing/i386/nx/ ./ |
| 11:30.23 | zm1 | wald0: 4. deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main |
| 11:30.28 | zm1 | wald0: 5. deb http://mwolson.org/debian/ ./ |
| 11:30.35 | zm1 | wald0: 6. deb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable non-free |
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| 11:30.43 | zm1 | wald0: 7. deb http://howm.sourceforge.jp/debian ./ |
| 11:30.49 | zm1 | wald0: 8. deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib |
| 11:30.53 | petemc | zm1: dont paste here |
| 11:30.57 | azeem | !paste |
| 11:30.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 11:31.58 | Sero | !seen abrotman |
| 11:31.58 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 8h 23m 41s ago, saying: 'yes .. that'. |
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| 11:32.05 | zm1 | petemc: sorry. I needed wald0 to take a look at these 8 lines.. and he was out of X.. am sorta desparate. sorry again |
| 11:32.22 | azeem | zm1: use a pastebin, as everyone else |
| 11:32.33 | zm1 | azeem: sure |
| 11:32.41 | Aishiko | does anyone remeber off hand what the command is to have Xorg configure it'self |
| 11:32.46 | Sero | what does network UNCLAIMED mean? |
| 11:32.57 | azeem | Aishiko: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 11:35.24 | mquin | Sero: "a node is marked as UNCLAIMED if no specific support for it has been loaded (or lshw has been unable to identify the driver)" |
| 11:35.37 | mquin | (from http://ezix.org/project/wiki/HardwareLiSter) |
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| 11:41.55 | Aishiko | this is quite annoying, no matter what I do I can't get xorg to load it keeps saying no devices detected |
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| 11:43.00 | Sero | which module should be loaded for the 3cin 3c905c card? |
| 11:43.03 | Sero | 3com |
| 11:43.27 | azeem | snogglethorpe: wow, hi Miles |
| 11:43.33 | user12345 | is it possible to change passphrases for an encrypted partition in Debian without having to reencrypt the data? |
| 11:43.53 | Aishiko | when I get that no devices selected does anyone have anyidea on how to fix that |
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| 11:44.29 | azeem | Aishiko: what graphics card do you have? |
| 11:44.48 | Aishiko | Geforce 8800GT |
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| 11:44.57 | azeem | Aishiko: and which version of Debian? |
| 11:45.03 | Aishiko | 4.0 |
| 11:45.14 | azeem | did you try the vesa driver? |
| 11:45.28 | visof | how can i cp directory ? , i did mv foo /a/b , and have omitting directory |
| 11:45.34 | azeem | visof: cp -r |
| 11:45.34 | visof | what should i do ? |
| 11:45.35 | Aishiko | I thought I did |
| 11:45.39 | visof | okay |
| 11:48.15 | Aishiko | OK that did something different azeem now I get nothing |
| 11:48.32 | azeem | nothing? |
| 11:48.36 | azeem | black screen? |
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| 11:49.23 | Aishiko | even better the monitor went into power saving mode |
| 11:49.23 | Aishiko | LOL now it just rebooted~! |
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| 11:55.02 | FordCortina_ | do i have to copy the resume binary to /etc/initramfs-tools heirachy for s2disk to work? |
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| 11:55.18 | FordCortina_ | im installing it using the debian package |
| 11:57.23 | sep | didnt think so |
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| 12:07.56 | dv_ | hi |
| 12:08.10 | dv_ | when I compile a window manager by myself, |
| 12:08.18 | dv_ | how can I add it to the list of window managers in gdm? |
| 12:08.37 | dv_ | all tutorials talk about the /etc/X11/Session directory - but it does not exist! |
| 12:09.04 | wald0 | dv_: /usr/share/xsessions |
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| 12:27.38 | tim_flatus | Question (going x2): I'm trying to watch one of the presentations on http://www.iet.tv/technology/infopro/index.html using iceweasel. I have tried using mozplugger with no success. What methods are known to work for watching embedded videos? Is there a better place to be asking these questions? I'm guessing there are no experts here. |
| 12:28.10 | themill | dpkg: tell tim_flatus about multiple ask |
| 12:29.13 | tim_flatus | themill: gone. |
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| 12:31.19 | user12345 | if I want to set up tmpfs, do I just need to add /dev/shm /tmp tmpfs size=whatever 0 0 to /etc/fstab? |
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| 12:32.43 | themill | tim_flatus: their javascript is crap. It appears to be their video playing js applet that is the problem not necessarily the videos themselves (real and windoze media play fine normally for me) |
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| 12:34.41 | eps | is there any way to see debians popcorn data? |
| 12:35.01 | themill | !popcon |
| 12:35.01 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 12:35.09 | eps | thanks |
| 12:35.14 | azeem | eps: you mean the raw data? |
| 12:35.39 | eps | azeem, just enough to see how popular wine is in the pool of debian popcorn users |
| 12:35.51 | azeem | (it's popcon, not popcorn) |
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| 12:35.59 | tim_flatus | themill: the lack of an explicit linux / iceweasel case is the problem I want to get them to fix. I just need some solid information about what might work. |
| 12:36.07 | eps | miss type, I could do with some popcorn :P |
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| 12:36.15 | eps | also I wouldn't mind seeing debians estimated user base, which I hope is there also |
| 12:36.31 | tim_flatus | themill: Thanks for confirming that. |
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| 12:36.41 | azeem | eps: there's no estimates at all |
| 12:36.47 | azeem | eps: are you from wine upstream? |
| 12:36.50 | themill | tim_flatus: it doesn't work with konqueror either. it's a PoS. |
| 12:37.16 | themill | eps: quite a few people pick up wine from other sources because it's something that changes fast enough that it's sometimes worth tracking upstream a bit more closely than debian stable does. |
| 12:37.16 | eps | azeem, really? shame :/ |
| 12:37.54 | eps | themill, yes that is okay, I am only taking packages from common and trusted sources |
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| 12:38.16 | themill | eps: the budgetdedicated source is a common one for people to use |
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| 12:38.42 | ciphernaut | info setcap |
| 12:39.07 | eps | yes, though have to take a bit of an educated guess on budget dedicated due to no user tracking. also a bit of a shame |
| 12:39.15 | ciphernaut | !info setcap |
| 12:39.44 | ciphernaut | !info security capabilities |
| 12:40.04 | ciphernaut | !help security capabilities |
| 12:40.05 | Antti | !weather, !kernel, !sysinfo, !sms |
| 12:40.10 | eps | still rather shocked that there isn't a guess at the debian user base numbers, ubuntu seems to keep some track of it - but I guess they give you less control to start with :P |
| 12:40.17 | eps | anyway thank you for your help :) |
| 12:40.24 | Aishiko | part of the reason to go with wine from the makers of wine is because they don't support old versions once the new stable is released |
| 12:40.34 | themill | tim_flatus: when I get iceweasel to pretend to be firefox it still doesn't work. |
| 12:41.12 | ciphernaut | whatever happened to setcap ? |
| 12:41.48 | ciphernaut | http://www.friedhoff.org/fscaps.html#Qemu refers to it to allow access to tap0 for qemu |
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| 12:42.35 | ciphernaut | i recall having used setcap for vserver about 5 years ago |
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| 12:47.33 | WormFood | Does anyone have any idea why grub no longer defaults to the last entry I selected? I didn't change anything, and double checked my configuration, in case last update changed it without telling me. I'm guessing this happened last update (sid). I have tried everything I can logically think of, and it won't work for me as expected |
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| 12:47.52 | ciphernaut | WormFood, savedefault ? |
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| 12:48.07 | WormFood | "default saved" |
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| 12:48.27 | WormFood | it has been working perfectly ever since I got my laptop |
| 12:48.33 | ciphernaut | write protected mbr? |
| 12:48.59 | WormFood | shouldn't be....I didn't change it |
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| 12:49.35 | WormFood | I hibernated to disk, booted XP, and went back into Linux, and now it is stuck on XP....is that where it is stored, the MBR? |
| 12:49.39 | user12345 | how does the Debian installer calclate the recommended swap size, and what sort of size should the swap partition be |
| 12:49.56 | WormFood | user12345, as far as I know it is based on ram size |
| 12:50.12 | WormFood | I usually make my swap about 2-4X bigger than my ram |
| 12:50.27 | user12345 | is it a good idea to make it bigger now if I plan to upgrade RAM later |
| 12:50.51 | WormFood | in theory, you should have enough ram to not need swap |
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| 12:51.02 | ciphernaut | though 16GB swap does not make much sense |
| 12:51.10 | WormFood | exactly ciphernaut |
| 12:51.50 | user12345 | so if I have 3gb ram and planning to upgrade to 4, is ~10GB a good size? I'm also going to have /tmp on RAM |
| 12:51.51 | ciphernaut | i think that rule is good up to about 4 GB |
| 12:51.52 | WormFood | I'd say not to worry about it....leave it at the default....more ram will make swap less needed |
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| 12:52.09 | WormFood | I think 10 gig of swap is a little silly |
| 12:52.22 | ciphernaut | in 32bit land you then start to hit process size limit and have to consider going 64bit |
| 12:52.43 | WormFood | I'd suggest you set it to 2-4 gig |
| 12:52.51 | ciphernaut | WormFood ++ |
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| 12:53.07 | user12345 | The installer is suggesting ~9GB |
| 12:53.11 | Sero | !seen abrotman |
| 12:53.11 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 9h 44m 54s ago, saying: 'yes .. that'. |
| 12:53.35 | WormFood | so it sounds like the installer suggest swap=RAM*3 |
| 12:53.47 | Nurulwai | what the hell are you doing that makes you need to swap that much. |
| 12:53.59 | Nurulwai | or anyone for that matter |
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| 12:54.02 | WormFood | honestly, I doubt you will see any real difference between 3 and 4 gig of ram |
| 12:54.25 | mquin | historically 1.5x to 2x the amount of ram you have was the rule of thumb, but that developed when systems had so little memory that you needed to lean on swap to do just about anything, these days memory is cheap enough for that to be less of an issue |
| 12:54.41 | WormFood | I agree with mquin |
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| 12:55.53 | WormFood | my system (laptop) with ram and swap is only 5 gig total, and I bet I rarely use more than 1 gig |
| 12:56.30 | Sero | I am trying to get my network card up and running; insmod 3c509 |
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| 12:56.38 | WormFood | wow...what an old NIC |
| 12:56.43 | Sero | it prints the error: unresolved symbol isapnp_find_dev.... |
| 12:56.47 | Sero | yes it is |
| 12:57.06 | mquin | Sero: try "modprobe 3x509" |
| 12:57.14 | user12345 | my Vista box is currently using 3GB+ ram lol |
| 12:57.31 | mquin | sorry, "modprobe 3c509" |
| 12:57.32 | Sero | can't locate module |
| 12:57.35 | WormFood | I thought it was called "3c5x9", but if he is getting a symbol error, then I'd say he has the right name |
| 12:57.36 | mquin | typo |
| 12:58.08 | streuner | usually these are compiled into kernel |
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| 12:58.16 | streuner | !listvals 3c509 |
| 12:58.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of '3c509' by value (1): start a nic war. |
| 12:58.29 | mquin | heh |
| 12:58.46 | WormFood | I like the 3c509...they have been a good nic to me...I probably have 10 or more of them |
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| 12:58.59 | Sero | :)) |
| 12:59.24 | Sero | modprobe 3c509 sais; No plyg&play device found and then no such device etc |
| 12:59.34 | WormFood | anyways....anyone have any concrete ideas about my problems with grub? I'll reboot and double check that my boot sector didn't somehow get 'locked', but I didn't change the bios, so I doubt that is the issue |
| 12:59.46 | streuner | Sero: lspci -v | grep -i eth |
| 12:59.58 | WormFood | streuner, it isn't a pci card |
| 13:00.05 | Sero | 3c905C Tornado |
| 13:00.05 | WormFood | it is an isa card |
| 13:00.18 | WormFood | hahahahaha |
| 13:00.25 | streuner | hm, ISA cards are configurable well too |
| 13:00.27 | Sero | ;) |
| 13:00.29 | WormFood | 3c905 and 3c509 are totally different cards |
| 13:00.59 | Sero | its a very old computer |
| 13:01.03 | streuner | so dmesg should find the output then... |
| 13:01.03 | WormFood | streuner, I seriously doubt an isa card would show up in lspci |
| 13:01.06 | Sero | 90's style |
| 13:01.11 | WormFood | yes, dmesg should do it |
| 13:01.20 | streuner | grep dmesg about |
| 13:01.39 | WormFood | try "dmesg|grep -i 3c" |
| 13:01.50 | Sero | ntohing |
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| 13:02.06 | mquin | Sero: so is it a 905 or a 509? |
| 13:02.36 | Sero | 3c905c |
| 13:02.37 | WormFood | mquin, it is a 3cx0x ;) |
| 13:02.39 | streuner | Sero: show us /var/log/dmesg in paste.debian.net |
| 13:02.47 | mquin | if it's the former I _think_ you'll be wanting the 3c59x driver |
| 13:02.51 | Sero | hehe, it's not online ;) |
| 13:02.55 | mquin | so try "modprobe 3c59x" |
| 13:03.08 | Sero | YES! |
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| 13:03.19 | Sero | it's online, thanx |
| 13:03.22 | mquin | :) |
| 13:03.32 | Sero | how do I add it to the startup |
| 13:03.35 | streuner | Are you a Ubuntu-User? |
| 13:03.40 | mquin | stick it in /etc/modules |
| 13:03.48 | yang | How do I convince screen program to be able to use Slovenian keymap? |
| 13:03.57 | mquin | I'm a little suprised hotplug didn't pick it up for you |
| 13:04.01 | yang | I can't see some of the letters |
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| 13:04.51 | streuner | Sero: edit /etc/modules |
| 13:04.51 | WormFood | yang, good question....screen (in sid) displays chinese characters for me just fine ;) |
| 13:04.52 | Sero | the computer is forced to upgrade from a 2.2 kernel with Woody/sarge to 2.4 kernel running Etch, so it's really messed up |
| 13:05.07 | mquin | aha |
| 13:05.21 | Sero | ;) |
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| 13:05.49 | yang | Sero: sarge is not 2.2 |
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| 13:06.13 | streuner | he said about the kernel |
| 13:06.22 | stew | yang: woody came with a 2.2 kernel |
| 13:06.23 | yang | yes, i think it had a 2.4 kernel allready |
| 13:06.31 | Sero | I know, but it was saying it was sarge with 2.2 kernel -- so it was a mess |
| 13:06.39 | yang | oops |
| 13:06.46 | stew | Sero: note that etch with a 2.4 kernel is also a problem |
| 13:07.19 | streuner | (there are no 2.4.x kernels in etch) |
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| 13:07.38 | stew | and some things in etch won't work with a 2.4 kernel |
| 13:07.47 | stew | (like mysql for instance) |
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| 13:09.20 | Meself | thunderbird |
| 13:09.24 | Sero | I'm trying to get 2.6-18-4 in as we speak ;) |
| 13:09.38 | streuner | fine |
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| 13:10.04 | Meself | Hello, I am having a serous problem with iceweasel, can you help or point where I can find help? |
| 13:10.12 | streuner | just ask |
| 13:10.16 | Meself | Please :-) |
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| 13:10.21 | azeem | !ask |
| 13:10.21 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 13:10.31 | WormFood | nobody can possibly help if you don't say what the problem is |
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| 13:11.28 | Meself | Ok, I have this paticular folder. I deleted the msf, now iceweasel crashes after the msf is rebuilt or when I try to open it |
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| 13:11.34 | stew | Sero: 2.6.18-6 is current, not 2.6.18-4, btw |
| 13:11.46 | Sero | hm, allright |
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| 13:12.20 | user12345 | what filesystem should /boot be? |
| 13:12.37 | Lagbolt | user12345, ext3 is good |
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| 13:13.19 | streuner | Meself: what is msf? |
| 13:13.22 | Christoph_vW | vpnc in debian etch is seriously broken :/ |
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| 13:13.41 | Meself | the index file for iceweasel/thunderbird folder |
| 13:13.41 | Christoph_vW | the username in the connect dialog isn't recognized |
| 13:13.48 | stew | Christoph_vW: /msg dpkg bts |
| 13:14.01 | user12345 | how big should /boot be? |
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| 13:14.23 | Meself | streuner: the index file for iceweasel/thunderbird folder |
| 13:14.24 | azeem | user12345: these days, you don't need a seperate /boot partition usually |
| 13:14.27 | streuner | Meself: well, just re-install iceweasel |
| 13:14.37 | user12345 | azeem: I'm encrypting the rest of it |
| 13:14.48 | user12345 | so I need a separate unecrypted /boot |
| 13:15.09 | Lagbolt | user12345, why woudl you care to encrypt boot? |
| 13:15.10 | Lagbolt | infact |
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| 13:15.16 | streuner | hm, depends how many kernel you want install |
| 13:15.19 | Lagbolt | why would you encrypt anything that is not home |
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| 13:15.31 | Lagbolt | oh no someone can see /usr/bin |
| 13:15.31 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 13:15.37 | streuner | Lagbolt: encrypted FS |
| 13:16.13 | Meself | streuner: I don't know, it won't make any good. I use hybrid clients, and other machines are using the very same system image and aren't having problems. The problem must be some file in home folder |
| 13:16.28 | user12345 | maybe I should just encrypt /home and swap then? |
| 13:16.43 | Lagbolt | streuner, i understand that . . .just dont see the point in encrypting everything . . .seems like a waste of cpu time |
| 13:16.45 | streuner | Meself: why home folder? that's not an iceweasel issue then |
| 13:16.49 | ted_ | hello, I'm trying to write a named pipe onto a cd. The named pipe should become a regular file on the cd. how can I do this? I tried: mkpipe test.txt, then echo a text to the test.txt pipe, and then use genisoimage to burn that pipe into an iso file. It doesn't work, I get 0 bytes for the file test.txt(and the p attribute is still set) |
| 13:16.55 | Lagbolt | user12345, encrypted swap is cool |
| 13:17.11 | ted_ | anyone knows how to do this? |
| 13:17.21 | streuner | Lagbolt: hm, if you have a laptop and its away you might be glad about that then... |
| 13:17.22 | Lagbolt | user12345, personally encrypting home is cool but for me, i have a separate place that is encrypted as 90% of what is in my HOME is no secret |
| 13:17.25 | Meself | streuner: When I remove the file from thunderbird mail folder. it rebuilds all the folder and runs fine. It must be the folder is corrupt, I think |
| 13:17.33 | mquin | user12345: about 100M is probably reasonable, room for a handful of kernels. Bare minimum would be about 30M |
| 13:17.58 | Lagbolt | streuner, if they steal my laptop i dont think i care if they see what kernel i run or if i use gnome or kde |
| 13:18.11 | Meself | streuner: Problem is, I have over 1GB of e-mails in this file, and I cannot give it up |
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| 13:18.16 | streuner | no, but the important data... |
| 13:18.26 | Lagbolt | yes streuner thats what i am saying |
| 13:18.29 | user12345 | Where would other sensetive data be stored, like used file history? |
| 13:18.31 | Lagbolt | encrypt home :) |
| 13:18.37 | streuner | Meself: restore from backup? |
| 13:18.38 | user12345 | I assume that goes in home? |
| 13:18.40 | Lagbolt | or a filespace for important things |
| 13:19.09 | Meself | streuner: Yes, that's an option. |
| 13:19.17 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 13:19.17 | dpkg | methinks unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 13:19.45 | dworkin | how do i grep for 2008-04-09? the '-' has some special meaning to grep and i don't get anything. i've tried 2008\-04\-09 but that didn't help |
| 13:19.48 | Meself | ty dpkg, you rule |
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| 13:20.29 | WormFood | Does anyone have any idea why grub no longer defaults to the last entry I selected? I didn't change anything, and double checked my configuration, in case last update changed it without telling me. I'm guessing this happened last update (sid). I have tried everything I can logically think of, and it won't work for me as expected. |
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| 13:20.55 | Lagbolt | WormFood, does your last entry have "savedefault" in it? |
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| 13:22.40 | mquin | dworkin: works here - are you sure that string exists in what you're searching? |
| 13:22.48 | WormFood | no, but they always worked before |
| 13:23.05 | stew | WormFood: do you have "default=saved" or somethign like "default=0" ? |
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| 13:23.32 | WormFood | stew it is "default saved" |
| 13:23.47 | stew | dworkin: use fgrep if what you are searching for is just a string and not a regex |
| 13:23.53 | aawd | when adding virtualhosts to apache I can create new files inside apache2/sites-available and it should automatically be picked up on restart? |
| 13:23.55 | WormFood | I did not edit or change my configuration, it just stopped one time I booted into XPee |
| 13:24.30 | dworkin | stew, thanks |
| 13:24.36 | stew | aawd: you have to "a2ensite sitename" to add them to sites-enabled then run /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 13:24.46 | dworkin | mquin, you are right. it does work, i wasn't in the right directory |
| 13:24.50 | mquin | WormFood: check that all of your entires have 'savedefault' in them |
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| 13:25.13 | user12345 | where would the most "personal" info be stored? if someone stole my laptop and I just had an encrypted home partiton, what could they find? |
| 13:25.17 | user12345 | should I be worried about password hashes |
| 13:25.19 | WormFood | mquin, they do not....but it always worked before....was something changed with the last grub update (sid)? |
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| 13:25.35 | WormFood | I will add it, but I have a sneaking feeling it won't work |
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| 13:25.58 | WormFood | user12345, it depends on where you store your personal data |
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| 13:26.08 | Lagbolt | user12345, nothing if it is encrypted |
| 13:26.15 | WormFood | if someone steals your Linux laptop, most likely they wouldn't have a clue what to do with it |
| 13:26.29 | petemc | sell it for drug money |
| 13:26.45 | mquin | depends on their motive for stealing it |
| 13:26.59 | abrotman | sell it for cheesesteaks! |
| 13:27.04 | mquin | if it's a random theft then yeah, they probably don't care |
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| 13:27.23 | user12345 | what if it's a foriegn intelligence agency after my super secret data |
| 13:27.24 | mquin | but there can be reasons to steal a computer other than it's physical value |
| 13:27.30 | DerHorst | to cheesesteake it for humprybumpfry! |
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| 13:27.51 | mquin | or a business competitor, spurned lover, ... |
| 13:27.59 | ma3x | hello what driver should I put in xorg.conf for intel's gma x3100 |
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| 13:28.20 | azeem | ma3x: intel? |
| 13:28.23 | Lagbolt | user12345, have good encryption and a strong password |
| 13:28.23 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 13:28.29 | stew | ma3x: what version of debian? |
| 13:28.42 | ma3x | azeem intel won't work |
| 13:28.46 | ma3x | stew etch |
| 13:29.20 | ma3x | i guess the driver should be i810 but X is not launching again |
| 13:29.24 | abrotman | i810 on etch probably won't work either |
| 13:29.27 | stew | yeah, there is no 'intel' in etch |
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| 13:29.39 | abrotman | it's vesa .. or time to upgrade IIRC |
| 13:29.46 | user12345 | would full disk encryption have much effect on battery life? performance doesn't seem to be a big problem with it |
| 13:30.19 | ma3x | so what do i do? |
| 13:30.24 | ma3x | no graphics for now :p |
| 13:30.27 | azeem | 15:27 < abrotman> it's vesa .. or time to upgrade IIRC |
| 13:30.32 | azeem | ma3x: pay attention |
| 13:30.44 | Lagbolt | user12345, yes it would, it takes cpu power to decrypt |
| 13:31.00 | Lagbolt | user12345, this is why you only encrypt sensitive info unless you dont care about your laptop battery |
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| 13:31.15 | ma3x | vesa - that's great |
| 13:31.23 | ma3x | abrotman upgrade what? to sid? |
| 13:31.36 | azeem | ma3x: obviously to lenny |
| 13:31.40 | ma3x | it was hell of an experience last time i stuck with it |
| 13:31.49 | ma3x | lenny=testing right? |
| 13:31.54 | azeem | bingo |
| 13:31.59 | stew | if one is reading from the disk enough that the cpu do decrypt the info is significant, then i'd say your battery life is doomed from having the disk spinning anyway |
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| 13:32.19 | ma3x | there is no backport for the driver? |
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| 13:32.30 | ma3x | or is it too complicated with xorg/compatibility? |
| 13:33.06 | azeem | ma3x: trust us, if there was a backport, we would've told you about it |
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| 13:33.39 | abrotman | ma3x: i would *never* recommend that you upgrade to sid |
| 13:33.49 | ma3x | abrotman and lenny's more stable? |
| 13:33.58 | user12345 | Lagbolt: I saw some benchmarks on Phoronix and the performance didn't seem to be a problem with full disk encryption. do you have any benchmarks comparing battery life between an encrypted and unencrypted system? |
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| 13:34.13 | ma3x | azeem it just seems weird, no driver for intel graphics in etch |
| 13:34.14 | barry_ | back |
| 13:34.34 | user12345 | I don't mind losing 5-15 minutes, but losing 50% is too much |
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| 13:34.45 | Lagbolt | user12345, no i do not but i do know that it takes cpu power and the higher the bit strength the more it takes. this equals less battery life, as far as how much i cant tell you but there is performance change |
| 13:34.51 | WormFood | I think that savedefault will fix my grub problem.....but why was it working beofore? I noticed that my last apt-get update/upgrade did upgrade grub, so I suspect something changed recently |
| 13:34.58 | ma3x | i tried vesa |
| 13:34.58 | ma3x | (WW) VESA(0): Failed to set up write-combining range (0xd0000000,0x770000) |
| 13:34.59 | ma3x | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
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| 13:35.16 | Lagbolt | user12345, do some reading. there are lots of websites that talk about what to encrypt, why you shoudl encrypt what. then you can make your own mind. |
| 13:35.23 | barry_ | Lagbolt: unless you have lots of processors you want to share the job across, then what's the point? |
| 13:35.43 | Lagbolt | user12345, as i have said personally it is a waste of time to encrypt non-sensitive data |
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| 13:36.29 | keith4 | if you only encrypt specific, sensitive documents, you are effectively pointing out the needle in the haystack that should be given more attention |
| 13:36.33 | Lagbolt | user12345, there are tutorials on encrypting your swap as well. i have done it. but normally i dont encrypt is as i hardly ever delve into my swap :) |
| 13:36.57 | user12345 | You can set up encrypted swap in the Debian installer |
| 13:36.58 | Lagbolt | keith4, you can install encryption with a false bottom if you are that scared . . .also they have to break it :) |
| 13:37.31 | Lagbolt | long as you do your homework you can be reasonable sure that unless you are dealing with an amazing force of epic power from a movie you should be ok :) |
| 13:37.40 | Lagbolt | i dont think user12345 is doing top secret stuff :) |
| 13:37.50 | keith4 | heh, yah. and encrypted swap is a bit extreme for most people |
| 13:37.54 | Lagbolt | if he was he would already know more about it that anyone in here :) |
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| 13:45.05 | bfremon | ok. I finally found the --force-depends option to get what i wanted. |
| 13:45.50 | stew | bfremon: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:46.18 | stew | --force options should almost never be needed |
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| 13:46.56 | abrotman | ma3x: that's not an error your care about |
| 13:47.26 | ma3x | abrotman what are you talking about? |
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| 13:47.39 | ma3x | abrotman the xorg error you mean? |
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| 13:48.18 | ma3x | does ftp in debian show the real time speed of transfer? |
| 13:48.22 | ma3x | or just at the end of the transfer? |
| 13:48.28 | barry_ | ma3x: Perhaps you want to make it more hidden but why not just append :XX to the end of the string where XX is hex for how many times it's been encoded? Take the left of : and base64_decode it by right of : (unhexed) |
| 13:48.48 | WormFood | depends on which "ftp" you are talking about....I personally use ncftp |
| 13:49.39 | abrotman | ma3x: nevermind .. carry on |
| 13:50.08 | ma3x | abrotman im upgrading -> lenny now. what about the ftp thing i asked |
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| 13:51.38 | WormFood | I know this isn't the right channel to ask, so don't flame me, just ignore me if you don't like it.....does anyone know of a "good" (fast) url to download knoppix DVD in China? It seems that nothing is faster than about 2k/s (and Knoppix IS debian based ;) |
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| 13:52.02 | gemidjy | is it possible to see the full URL where a package would be downloaded when "apt-get install package" is executed? |
| 13:52.10 | keith4 | ooh, he said "debian-based" |
| 13:52.41 | gemidjy | --print-uris |
| 13:52.43 | gemidjy | k |
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| 13:52.50 | WormFood | ftp.debian.org is blazing fast for me....too bad they don't host that dvd image ;) |
| 13:52.59 | stew | WormFood: please direct knoppix questions to #knoppix |
| 13:53.31 | WormFood | it isn't a knoppix question per se....it is a url question :P |
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| 13:53.39 | stew | WormFood: its not a debian question |
| 13:53.59 | WormFood | but its debian based :P |
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| 13:54.14 | chops | !ubuntusmite WormFood |
| 13:54.14 | dpkg | takes away all the CO2 in the air around WormFood and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!" |
| 13:54.24 | abrotman | WormFood: don't argue, ask somewhere else |
| 13:54.33 | user12345 | where are the likely places private or personally idenfiable data would be stored or end up in apart from /home and swap? /etc and /var? |
| 13:54.35 | tim_flatus | WormFood: Information not kept in collective database. Ask where it is. |
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| 13:56.18 | keith4 | user12345: that probably depends on your definition of "private" |
| 13:56.44 | user12345 | passwords/hashes, file history |
| 13:57.02 | ma3x | does 'ftp' display realtime speed like freebsd's ftp? |
| 13:57.09 | user12345 | logs that might indicate usage history |
| 13:57.10 | ma3x | or like apt-get |
| 13:57.11 | user12345 | stuff like that |
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| 13:57.24 | keith4 | ma3x: you could have installed it and tried it yourself by now |
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| 14:01.29 | ma3x | keith4 I already tried it! 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for mc-4.6.0.tar.gz (3727676 bytes). |
| 14:01.33 | ma3x | and no speed nothing |
| 14:01.36 | ma3x | just at the end of the transfer |
| 14:01.55 | ma3x | that's why im asking do you know any ftp client, or a -switch for current ftp client to show the speed in realtime |
| 14:01.58 | ma3x | not when the transfer finishes |
| 14:02.01 | ma3x | but noone replies |
| 14:02.04 | azeem | did you try lftp? |
| 14:02.17 | keith4 | does wget speak ftp? |
| 14:02.21 | azeem | yes |
| 14:02.30 | keith4 | ma3x: use wget |
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| 14:03.09 | ma3x | let me try lftp |
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| 14:03.18 | stew | ma3x: lftp or ncftp |
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| 14:03.27 | Songtao | how to simulate the middle mouse key in debian X, i have a touchscreen. |
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| 14:03.52 | ma3x | wget can't browse, it's only good if you know the direct url |
| 14:03.57 | ma3x | thanks |
| 14:03.59 | abrotman | it can spider |
| 14:04.16 | chops | Songtao: Last I checked clicking both mouse buttons simultaneously simulated middle click |
| 14:04.24 | aleksanteri | lynx is fine if you have to browse |
| 14:04.26 | abrotman | chops: only if you set that in your config |
| 14:04.29 | ma3x | well im not spiderman :p |
| 14:04.53 | abrotman | nor a super reader |
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| 14:05.12 | Songtao | chops: yes, i used it. but now i have only a ....touchscreen. |
| 14:05.46 | chops | Songtao: Sorry, I'm clinically dense |
| 14:06.21 | Songtao | chops: thank you the same! |
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| 14:07.38 | Songtao | lynx, w3m can browse webpage under console. |
| 14:07.58 | Songtao | they are fast , and w3m supported table nicely. |
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| 14:08.27 | abrotman | touchscreen or touchpad ? |
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| 14:08.39 | abrotman | eh .. ignore that |
| 14:08.40 | robboplus | hello folks |
| 14:08.57 | abrotman | Songtao: i'd probably ask #xorg how to simulate it |
| 14:08.58 | chops | abrotman: I did the same thing :-) |
| 14:09.07 | Songtao | abrotman: touchscreen |
| 14:09.26 | robboplus | i'm having a weird issue with ip route... i just added a secondary IP on the eth0... i still can't ping it, while ip addr shows it correctly as secondary on that interface, what can be wrong? |
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| 14:09.34 | Songtao | abrotman: thx, i'm going to join that channel. |
| 14:10.09 | chops | robboplus: Tried using /etc/network/interfaces instead of ip route? |
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| 14:11.48 | lhou | ubuntu-dk |
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| 14:16.24 | stew | robboplus: you are trying to ping it from localhost? or from some other host? can you ping the primary ip? |
| 14:17.36 | XTZGZoReX | I'm looking to install PHP via apt-get, however, I'm wondering if it's a good idea to install all modules - and how? |
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| 14:20.12 | abrotman | XTZGZoReX: it's probably not a good idea |
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| 14:21.00 | XTZGZoReX | I'm talking to ##php about it now, I'll see what happens. |
| 14:21.15 | user12345 | I think I'll probably keep my system unencrypted and just encrypt /home, how much space should I give to the rest of the filesystem and how much to /home on a 320GB disk? |
| 14:21.31 | user12345 | I suppose the answer will be "as much as I need", so can I resize encrypted partitions later if I need to? |
| 14:21.36 | abrotman | then why did you even ask us? |
| 14:21.52 | XTZGZoReX | abrotman: More to figure if apt-get had all modules |
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| 14:22.18 | abrotman | XTZGZoReX: apt-cache search php |
| 14:23.36 | XTZGZoReX | Just used apt-get search php |
| 14:23.36 | XTZGZoReX | =o |
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| 14:24.33 | SilverDawn | hey all, Its been a long time since ive ran debian but im wondering how hard it is to go from etch to sid |
| 14:24.59 | abrotman | hard in what way? |
| 14:25.18 | SilverDawn | Well. How much does it generally break |
| 14:25.24 | dmilith | SilverDawn: everything |
| 14:25.29 | dmilith | ;} |
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| 14:25.37 | SilverDawn | And is there any more to it then just changing your sources list and dist-upgrading |
| 14:26.53 | SilverDawn | im just looking for a good distro that has rolling upgrades instead of once every few months a massive upgrade or reinstall |
| 14:26.56 | SilverDawn | Sid seemed like a good bet |
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| 14:27.13 | dmilith | no. |
| 14:27.13 | stew | SilverDawn: why sid and not testing? |
| 14:27.20 | SilverDawn | sids more up to date |
| 14:27.34 | jetscreamer | not by very much and you miss a lot of hasle |
| 14:27.41 | dmilith | and updates comes every day |
| 14:27.51 | SilverDawn | i will brb |
| 14:28.00 | jetscreamer | and once you go sid you can never go back |
| 14:28.04 | stew | SilverDawn: the general consensus around here is that if you are having to ask the questions you are asking you should not be running unstable |
| 14:28.04 | dmilith | and apps aren't tested well |
| 14:28.05 | jetscreamer | you'll like it too much |
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| 14:29.53 | NickBurnsSNL | ..hello all .. |
| 14:30.17 | jetscreamer | hey does anybody know how i can use this bandwidth? i have like 2500 down but the router seems to use some qos and i only gee 600kb down |
| 14:30.25 | jetscreamer | s/gee/get/ |
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| 14:30.36 | jetscreamer | it's the at&t uverse answer to cable |
| 14:30.43 | dmilith | jetscreamer: rest is ofcourse used for spam ;} |
| 14:30.51 | jetscreamer | pron :) |
| 14:30.58 | NickBurnsSNL | just installed faad and get this error "Unable to find correct AAC sound track in the MP4 file." ideas? If this is the wrong forum, apologies .. I will move on ;) |
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| 14:31.15 | dmilith | this is no forum.. |
| 14:31.20 | dmilith | not |
| 14:31.35 | justin | NickBurnsSNL: what kind of file does 'file' say you have? |
| 14:31.47 | katastrophe | is this the right channel for bugs or is there a better one? |
| 14:32.03 | jetscreamer | well we don't get rid of crabs... |
| 14:32.05 | NickBurnsSNL | justin: it's m4a (or mp4) |
| 14:32.05 | stew | katastrophe: what about bugs? |
| 14:32.15 | dmilith | katastrophe: bugzilla.. ? |
| 14:32.19 | justin | NickBurnsSNL: ok... but what kind of file does 'file' say you have? |
| 14:32.20 | dmilith | bug buddy? |
| 14:32.32 | NickBurnsSNL | ah .. one sec |
| 14:32.38 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 14:32.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:32.41 | katastrophe | yes... but i thought ill write in irc first |
| 14:32.47 | NickBurnsSNL | justin: source.m4a: ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, iTunes AAC-L |
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| 14:32.54 | jetscreamer | itunes |
| 14:33.00 | jetscreamer | is it drm'd? |
| 14:33.06 | katastrophe | i have a bug after upgrading to ighttpd_1.4.13-4etch7 |
| 14:33.15 | stew | katastrophe: if you think you have a bug and need help, here is the place to ask. if you need to report a bug: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 14:33.30 | jetscreamer | bails to go have fun and joy at work |
| 14:33.33 | NickBurnsSNL | jetscreamer: hmm, dont' know, got it from someone else, but I'm sure it came from their iTunes lib |
| 14:33.35 | katastrophe | ok thank you, ill report it |
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| 14:33.51 | stew | katastrophe: of course, make sure it hasn't already been reported, /msg dpkg bts |
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| 14:34.03 | katastrophe | ok :) |
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| 14:34.29 | NickBurnsSNL | jetscreamer: wait, one piece of info, the source file extension is .m4p ?? |
| 14:35.29 | n0mad | ei hello .ts (transport stream) soft for editing that ? |
| 14:35.33 | n0mad | suggest plz |
| 14:35.42 | robboplus | chops, stew: i'm sorry, i was away trying to fix the prob (i did) |
| 14:35.47 | robboplus | it was ARP prob |
| 14:35.50 | azeem | n0mad: please rephrase your question |
| 14:36.07 | robboplus | stew and in fact pinging on localhost solved it.. |
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| 14:37.23 | NickBurnsSNL | Keep getting this error too, using mplayer, Cannot find codec for audio format 0x736D7264 |
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| 14:38.41 | pjv | is there anything else faster than rsync to back up an internal hard drive to an external usb hd? |
| 14:39.25 | n0mad | any suggestions for editing *.ts files ? :| |
| 14:39.31 | themill | pjv: unlikely. But there are options to rsync that can help (options for how it updates the files) |
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| 14:41.13 | n0mad | azeem, i need to edit video TransportStream files, that my dreambox records |
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| 14:43.18 | pjv | themill: currently this is what i am using rsync --recursive --size-only --progress /mnt/win_d /media/Elements |
| 14:44.23 | pjv | i know that the usb plays a big factor, and also one is vfat and the other is ntfs, i just thought there might be something faster |
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| 14:46.28 | Nyle | NickBurnsSNL, maybe its related to w32codecs |
| 14:46.33 | Nyle | NickBurnsSNL, you have that package |
| 14:46.46 | Nyle | NickBurnsSNL, just for the heck of it, google the exact error |
| 14:47.15 | NickBurnsSNL | Nyle: Yes, I'm thinking so too. Yes, I"ve done that, and it hits on using faad , but that gives the error. |
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| 14:47.46 | Nyle | ask the experts in #mplayer |
| 14:47.46 | NickBurnsSNL | Nyle: Needed to just do this quickly, so I'll go back to google and see what I can find out. Thanks. |
| 14:48.00 | NickBurnsSNL | Nyle: ah ...good suggestion, I will do that. |
| 14:48.02 | Songtao | xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3" can change the mouse button , then i wrote them into my twm menus. :) problem solved. |
| 14:48.07 | Nyle | consult with them as they more than likely have come across it |
| 14:48.08 | Nyle | yw |
| 14:48.09 | Nyle | good luck |
| 14:48.53 | wouterl | the site of debian doens't look very nice, with a little effort in only the css, it could be a bit prettier ... example: http://users.vtk.be/~s0191503/debian/ |
| 14:49.10 | Nyle | its perfect |
| 14:49.12 | Nyle | simple |
| 14:49.15 | Nyle | easy to read |
| 14:49.20 | Nyle | consistent across browsers |
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| 14:49.43 | wouterl | Nyle: I meant, the colours etc... |
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| 14:49.49 | Nyle | you java apps, flash videos? how about blinking text and animated <hr> |
| 14:49.49 | Nyle | ? |
| 14:49.51 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:50.06 | Nyle | or gawdy bright colors, colorful background and colored text? |
| 14:50.15 | Nyle | its fine as it is. |
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| 14:50.34 | Nyle | DexterF, hi |
| 14:50.45 | wouterl | Nyle: so you don't really like the proposal in the link? |
| 14:51.07 | Nyle | not really no |
| 14:51.15 | DexterF | let's say I want to compile latest free ati driver from xorg's git branch. what's the easiest approach? |
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| 14:51.27 | stew | wouterl: write to http://lists.debian.org/debian-www |
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| 14:52.00 | DexterF | I mean, I'd like to revert in case of failure, so I'd like to come up with a .deb file but haven't really built a deb from scratch |
| 14:52.39 | wouterl | stew: thanks |
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| 14:54.54 | stew | DexterF: you'll want to start with the debian packaging of the current ati module. ways you might do this are to copy the debian/ directory from one source tree to the other, or get git to give you a diff from the git revision of the current debian package to the one you want to build from |
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| 14:55.18 | stew | DexterF: there is no reason to duplicate effort by starting from scratch on the .deb |
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| 14:56.44 | vi390 | which zlib could be meant by Missing libz.so or zlib.h , there are so many |
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| 14:57.17 | Kauhsa | Hey, how can I boot X via command line? I've disabled Ctrl-Alt-Backspace :D |
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| 14:58.31 | abrotman | vi390: zlib-dev or something like that |
| 14:58.39 | abrotman | Kauhsa: are you using gdm/kdm etc ? |
| 14:58.50 | Kauhsa | gdm |
| 14:58.55 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 14:59.15 | Kauhsa | Ok, thanks - here we go |
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| 15:01.41 | abrotman | Kauhsa: that worked? |
| 15:02.50 | vi390 | abrotman: ok thanks that was the right one :) |
| 15:03.05 | Kauhsa | Yeah. Well, it only shutted it down but not very difficult to start again |
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| 15:12.05 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 15:12.05 | dpkg | qotd166 is, like, <azeem> bengrubb: please try to be comprensible |
| 15:12.19 | abrotman | thinks abrotman is to blame for that |
| 15:13.03 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:13.29 | abrotman | yeah :( |
| 15:13.56 | simonrvn | sometimes when i think something like that, and then i type it out, and note the horrible spelling or grammar, i just clear my irssi command line instead |
| 15:14.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:14.54 | simonrvn | or note some other irony too... maybe i should keep it, and put <IRONY ALERT> around it, would make for some comedy |
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| 15:16.13 | Nyle | reminded me of family guy's Peter "did you just call me an 'iron' (eye ron/irony -y)" |
| 15:16.18 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 15:16.18 | dpkg | < Raf256> wazup < Raf256> how can I change repeat rate and delay? < Raf256> in X < asg> Raf256: man xset < Raf256> asg: ok \o/ < Raf256> asg: oohh ddddaaaammnn < Raf256> ssssttuuppiiddd rrreeepppaaaattt rrrraaattee |
| 15:16.23 | Nyle | tarzeau, ! |
| 15:16.24 | simonrvn | i try to take the time to think about what i've said or typed, so i notice the weird shit i say before hitting return =;) |
| 15:16.35 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 15:16.41 | Nyle | simonrvn, I don't, spew forth w/e |
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| 15:16.58 | markl__ | is there an easy way to tell what options were used when a module was loaded? |
| 15:17.03 | simonrvn | heheh |
| 15:17.05 | markl__ | lsmod -v or something |
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| 15:19.10 | simonrvn | erm, unless specified otherwise, the modules just get loaded with no args, unless some extra configuration was added, say in /etc/modules, or some /etc/modprobe.d/ file |
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| 15:20.12 | yang | I am trying to setup a GPRS connection, but I am getting the following error : http://openpaste.org/en/5965/ |
| 15:20.17 | markl__ | simonrvn: yes i added the options in /etc/modprobe.d/options but i wanted to verify that the actual modprobe saw the arguments |
| 15:20.24 | Nyle | simonrvn, when I was a child, I spake as a child, I thought as a child, I understood as a child |
| 15:20.44 | Nyle | simonrvn, but when I became a grown man, I put away childish things. |
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| 15:20.53 | simonrvn | well if you did, then it'll do so |
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| 15:21.11 | simonrvn | Nyle: yeh |
| 15:21.49 | simonrvn | so, how do you talk to kids, like another kid, or an adult? |
| 15:21.53 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 15:22.01 | Nyle | I don't talk down to kids |
| 15:22.10 | Nyle | I don't know how to talk to people |
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| 15:22.21 | Nyle | I do know how NOT to talk to people |
| 15:22.21 | ma3x | hello |
| 15:22.23 | ma3x | can you help me out with my graphics |
| 15:22.26 | Nyle | ma3x, long time no see man |
| 15:22.27 | ma3x | Xorg won't launch |
| 15:22.28 | Nyle | whats up |
| 15:22.33 | ma3x | (WW) intel: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found |
| 15:22.33 | ma3x | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 15:22.36 | Nyle | ma3x, /me stoned |
| 15:22.45 | ma3x | hey Nyle how ya doing bud |
| 15:22.50 | azeem | ma3x: did you specifc PCI BusID in xorg.conf? |
| 15:22.51 | ma3x | still playing the guitar? |
| 15:22.52 | Nyle | pretty alright man |
| 15:22.55 | ma3x | azeem yes i did |
| 15:23.00 | azeem | ma3x: why? |
| 15:23.14 | lunaphyte_ | what program can i use from a shell to show side by side differences between 2 files? |
| 15:23.18 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.18 | ma3x | azeem because it says it can't find it |
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| 15:23.39 | Nyle | ma3x, but... |
| 15:23.39 | azeem | ma3x: it said that before you specified it? |
| 15:23.50 | justin | lunaphyte_: diff |
| 15:23.54 | Nyle | ma3x, lspci reports the gfx where? |
| 15:23.57 | Nyle | paste the whole line |
| 15:24.11 | ma3x | azeem yes |
| 15:24.13 | lunaphyte_ | justin: how? |
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| 15:24.22 | ma3x | azeem and if i don't specify BusID then i get these errors |
| 15:24.23 | ma3x | (EE) GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such file or directory) |
| 15:24.23 | ma3x | (EE) intel(0): Failed to allocate framebuffer. Is your VideoRAM set too low? |
| 15:24.39 | azeem | ma3x: did you set the RAM? |
| 15:24.48 | ma3x | Nyle 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 15:24.58 | ma3x | azeem nope |
| 15:25.04 | ma3x | do you have a sample xorg.conf? |
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| 15:25.12 | ma3x | if so paste it please for me |
| 15:25.25 | azeem | ma3x: we ask the questions here |
| 15:25.28 | stew | ma3x: did you upgrade to testing? or where did this intel driver come from? |
| 15:25.29 | ma3x | ok boss |
| 15:25.33 | azeem | ma3x: is this a self-compiled kernel? |
| 15:25.34 | ma3x | yes stew i did |
| 15:25.39 | ma3x | azeem no |
| 15:25.41 | azeem | ma3x: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 15:25.51 | lunaphyte_ | justin: oh, duh - nvm. thanks. |
| 15:25.51 | chops | ma3x: My intel card needs for memory to be reserved for it in the BIOS; I set aside around 20 MB IIRC |
| 15:25.54 | ma3x | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 15:26.09 | azeem | ma3x: maybe try updating that as well |
| 15:26.10 | chops | ma3x: I think the intel driver might start having problems getting everything initialized around 12 MB |
| 15:26.29 | ma3x | chops there is no option to allocate ram in the bios |
| 15:26.35 | ma3x | this is laptop (limited bios features_ |
| 15:26.36 | chops | ma3x: Hm, do you have udev installed? |
| 15:26.40 | ma3x | yes chops |
| 15:27.04 | Nyle | which laptop |
| 15:27.07 | Nyle | make/model? |
| 15:27.16 | ma3x | fujitsu-siemens esprimo v5505 |
| 15:27.23 | azeem | does he need a kernel intel driver? |
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| 15:27.53 | ma3x | had my older laptop stolen in france |
| 15:27.55 | Nyle | never heard of it |
| 15:27.58 | Nyle | fujitsu eh |
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| 15:28.02 | ma3x | haven't been on debian since 4-5 months ago |
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| 15:28.06 | stew | ma3x: try "modprobe intel-agp" |
| 15:28.30 | stew | err wait, i guess it would depend on the chipset on the mb, not on the video card, so it might not be intel |
| 15:28.33 | ma3x | (EE) intel(0): Failed to allocate framebuffer. Is your VideoRAM set too low? |
| 15:28.33 | ma3x | (EE) intel(0): Couldn't allocate video memory |
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| 15:28.43 | ma3x | stew it did load but still getting those errors |
| 15:28.46 | azeem | 17:22 < ma3x> (EE) GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such file or directory) |
| 15:28.51 | azeem | that's the issue I guess |
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| 15:29.52 | ma3x | well what do i do |
| 15:29.57 | ma3x | what package does that device come with? |
| 15:29.58 | stew | ma3x: show us the output of "lspci -v" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:30.55 | grand_gr1nt | Hi there.. I need some help to install ethernet drivers on a computer, with Debian Etch |
| 15:30.55 | stew | ma3x: it doesn't come with a package, it gets created by udev when you load an agp driver |
| 15:30.55 | Nyle | grand_gr1nt, which card? |
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| 15:30.55 | chops | ma3x: If you say 'modprobe intel_agp', does it work? Does /dev/agpgart appear? |
| 15:30.55 | Nyle | grand_gr1nt, wifi or non wifi? |
| 15:31.03 | grand_gr1nt | Nyle: I got the drivers on a USB key. non wifi, normal ethernet |
| 15:31.07 | ma3x | chops Linux agpgart interface v0.101 (c) Dave Jones |
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| 15:31.17 | ma3x | but still not /dev/agpgart |
| 15:31.17 | grand_gr1nt | I need the kernel sources to compile the drivers |
| 15:31.21 | Nyle | grand_gr1nt, which card? |
| 15:31.34 | peleg | hi. trying to run mplayer from terminal, I get (and this is new) "X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)?,?% 0 0 49%" and then mplayer crashes. any ideas? |
| 15:31.43 | Nyle | grand_gr1nt, search for 'linux-source' install and enjoy |
| 15:31.45 | grand_gr1nt | RLT8021 I think (not on this computer..) |
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| 15:32.01 | Nyle | grand_gr1nt, and are you sure debian doesn't have this driver already? |
| 15:32.17 | stew | chops: we don't know that intel-agp was correct since we dont' know which notrhbridge he has yet |
| 15:32.32 | ma3x | stew http://paste.debian.net/463 |
| 15:32.38 | Nyle | !realtek |
| 15:32.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, realtek is a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller, or http://freebsd.active-venture.com/FreeBSD-srctree/newsrc/pci/if_rl.c.html, or <rtl-wifi> |
| 15:32.40 | stew | grand_gr1nt: you don't need source you need headers |
| 15:32.44 | grand_gr1nt | Nyle: It's not allready on the system. Since I got no Internet on the computer, I can't check if it's available |
| 15:32.49 | chops | stew: True |
| 15:33.10 | Nyle | hm |
| 15:33.15 | grand_gr1nt | Nyle: Ok. Where could I find headers? |
| 15:33.22 | Nyle | ok just do this |
| 15:33.26 | Nyle | it would be much simpler |
| 15:33.29 | chops | grand_gr1nt: Best to install linux-headers-blah and compile against that instead of using linux-source |
| 15:33.36 | stew | chops: though it is intel, and it is seemingly not connected via agp |
| 15:33.40 | Nyle | grand_gr1nt, aptitude install module-assistant && m-a prepare |
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| 15:34.03 | Nyle | grand_gr1nt, that ought to get all the kernel sources/headers/build-essential etc. etc. |
| 15:34.06 | grand_gr1nt | Nyle: I CAN'T aptitude install : no ethernet, no internet. |
| 15:34.16 | aawd | do I manually need to put addhandler in apache2.conf for mod-perl? |
| 15:34.19 | chops | grand_gr1nt: apt-offline |
| 15:34.22 | Nyle | how did you install debian? |
| 15:34.31 | aawd | currently I got mod-perl installed but .pl files gets downloaded |
| 15:34.36 | grand_gr1nt | Nyle: net install CD, and don't got it here |
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| 15:35.06 | grand_gr1nt | Nyle: I thank I could download what I need, put it on right place and compile these f*** drivers |
| 15:35.12 | chops | grand_gr1nt: If the net install CD could access the network, why do you assume you need extra drivers for the system now that it's installed? |
| 15:35.17 | stew | grand_gr1nt: you'll need to move packages to the machine some other way then, /msg dpkg apt-zip ; /msg dpkg apt-move |
| 15:35.36 | grand_gr1nt | Nyle: I've changed the motherboard. |
| 15:35.39 | justin | grand_gr1nt: what is the name of the file you have on the usb key? |
| 15:35.41 | stew | chops: perhaps the net install cd couldnt' access the network |
| 15:36.14 | grand_gr1nt | Nyle: Arg, I left them on the computer without the net |
| 15:36.18 | ma3x | stew i pasted you the link (output of lspic -v) I'll just reboot to boot the 24-1 image and I'll come back in a minute. thanks! |
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| 15:36.56 | grand_gr1nt | Nyle: There where a rhine-something tar, that I have untar. Then the readme file said to compile |
| 15:37.21 | stew | grand_gr1nt: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 15:38.00 | grand_gr1nt | Nyle: 2.6.22-3-486 |
| 15:38.33 | peleg | is there a way to clear my on-board graphic card's memory somehow? |
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| 15:39.50 | stew | grand_gr1nt: then you need to install a package named linux-headers-2.6.22-3-486. you can download this .deb from http://packages.debian.org/linux-headers-2.6.22-3-486 ; move it to your machine and install it with dpkg -i |
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| 15:40.03 | grand_gr1nt | Nyle: The motherboard is ASUS K8N-VM |
| 15:40.14 | grand_gr1nt | stew: Thx. |
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| 15:40.18 | stew | grand_gr1nt: after that, your headers (which should be all that is needed to compile) will be in /lib/modules/2.6.22-3-486/build |
| 15:40.21 | magyar | hi, is there a way to pull info on a battery status from cli "bash" ? I have acpi installed and the "battery" module loaded |
| 15:40.31 | stew | magyar: acpi -V |
| 15:40.39 | stew | magyar: or actually just "acpi" |
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| 15:41.13 | magyar | stew: i've tried that but it keeps telling me about some hooks |
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| 15:42.16 | stew | magyar: what exactly does it tell you? |
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| 15:42.21 | jetx | how do i/what do i use/what do i need to do/ to get a clue about how to track a gps signal that is coming from a mobile phone, using my computer at home |
| 15:42.44 | aleix | hi, i'm planning on buying poweredge 2950 III servers to run debian... any problems? Can it run a 64 bits version? |
| 15:42.56 | aleix | a |
| 15:43.00 | tim|mb | aleix: we run them with debian etch without any problems |
| 15:43.01 | dmilith | no. only on windwoz |
| 15:43.04 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:43.06 | peleg | ok - is there to set the shared memory of my graphic card? |
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| 15:43.22 | jetx | in bios peleg |
| 15:43.24 | abrotman | aleix: depends on the CPUs .. but most likely yes it can |
| 15:43.34 | peleg | jetx: what does that mean? |
| 15:43.38 | jetx | nm |
| 15:43.47 | aleix | abrotman: what do you mean... i was planning on Quad Core Intel® Xeon® E5420 |
| 15:43.59 | abrotman | how was that confusing |
| 15:44.10 | aleix | :D |
| 15:44.14 | magyar | stew: i would need to reboot and write it down. BRB |
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| 15:44.59 | Daveman | ABROOOOOOOOOOOTMAN |
| 15:45.02 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:45.04 | aleix | sorry for that... not confusing... it is that i've seen so many pages and posts and stuff that i no longer know what i'm reading |
| 15:45.04 | Daveman | It's SOOOOOOOOOOOO hot outside! |
| 15:45.08 | Daveman | I'm melting. |
| 15:45.19 | liable | dont go outside then.. |
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| 15:45.38 | aleix | the debian version should be the ia64? |
| 15:45.40 | ma3x | stew, did you read the paste bin? |
| 15:45.50 | stew | ma3x: yes. have you tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"? |
| 15:45.59 | chops | aleix: amd64 |
| 15:45.59 | jetx | aleix: no unless you have itanium |
| 15:46.00 | grand_gr1nt | stew: I'll need also the gcc4.1 I think.. and libc6, or not? There are many dependancies |
| 15:46.12 | azeem | ma3x: do you have /dev/agpgart now? |
| 15:46.19 | peleg | how can I access the bios to set the shared memory of my graphic card? tried in xorg.conf, but couldn't find anything relevant there |
| 15:46.21 | ma3x | stew, nope - but right now I ran into a different problem. I can't m-a build the ipw3945 in the new linux image 24-1 |
| 15:46.25 | grand_gr1nt | stew: Do you know a big .dep that would contain everything I could need to install? |
| 15:46.26 | aleix | oh, ok... never use 64bits before... won't it matter if it's an Intel? |
| 15:46.27 | chops | grand_gr1nt: aptitude install build-essential |
| 15:46.30 | stew | grand_gr1nt: you'd need teh 'build-essential' package and all its dependencies. you alredy have libc6 but perhaps not libc6-dev |
| 15:46.33 | markl__ | oh itanium! my loincloth tightens at the sight of thee |
| 15:46.43 | jetx | peleg: usually you hit del or f1 or f2 or f10 or f11 .. or so, when the computer boots |
| 15:46.47 | ma3x | azeem, let me reboot and check |
| 15:46.51 | azeem | ma3x: what |
| 15:46.54 | grand_gr1nt | chops: Can't use aptitude, no LAN, no net. |
| 15:46.55 | chops | aleix: Modern Intel 64-bit processors use an instruction set that originally was AMD-specific |
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| 15:46.55 | azeem | ma3x: why would you need to reboot? |
| 15:47.02 | jetx | !b-e |
| 15:47.02 | dpkg | i guess build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 15:47.03 | peleg | jetx: oh, ok - thanks! |
| 15:47.06 | chops | grand_gr1nt: Via apt-offline or one of the other methods proposed already then |
| 15:47.10 | aleix | chops: thanks for that |
| 15:47.12 | ma3x | azeem, because im on the stupid windows right now, my wireless won't work on the 24-1 image |
| 15:47.12 | jetx | or m-a |
| 15:47.20 | stew | ma3x: don't use ipw3945, use iwl3945 (which requires the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free) |
| 15:47.21 | azeem | oh |
| 15:47.50 | jetx | pretends to ask his question again hoping for an answer |
| 15:47.57 | ma3x | iwl wow, i didn't know that while i was on etch. guess not available for etch, huh? |
| 15:47.57 | chops | grand_gr1nt: You're going to need to install things in order to compile, if you don't have the things you need to compile installed already. Don't try to blame _us_ for that when we tell you how to install those things. :-/ |
| 15:48.08 | simonrvn | here's my pretend answer |
| 15:48.16 | grand_gr1nt | chops: Sure |
| 15:48.21 | aleix | i'm planning on using drbd, heartbeat and Xen on these machines... will the 64 bits affect, will i have to recompile things? completely newbie, sorry... |
| 15:48.34 | abrotman | jetx: freshmeat? apt-cache search gps ? |
| 15:48.59 | jetx | abrotman: i just need a clue, i have absolutely no idea where to start |
| 15:48.59 | chops | aleix: Anything already in Debian should be available also in 64-bits land. There may be some trouble with third-party non-free software and some particular things (e.g. flash plugin in iceweasel) |
| 15:49.10 | ma3x | stew, how do i install iwl3945? |
| 15:49.20 | jetx | i'll try the search when i get home |
| 15:49.26 | aleix | chops: i see... well, compiling by myself shoud work right? |
| 15:49.34 | chops | aleix: It should |
| 15:49.37 | stew | ma3x: its already part of the kernel |
| 15:49.39 | aleix | great |
| 15:49.46 | chops | aleix: You shouldn't need to compile all that much stuff yourself in Debian (regardless of 32- or 64-bit) |
| 15:50.05 | ma3x | stew, does it use same options name in /etc/network/options (example: wpa-ssid, wpa-key ...) ? |
| 15:50.10 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 15:50.10 | abrotman | jetx: wtf .. that was a clue :) |
| 15:50.14 | aleix | i don't really care... it is just that i have lots of things to plan... just to be aware. |
| 15:50.21 | jetx | yeh:) |
| 15:50.25 | ma3x | stew, all i need is modprobe iwl3945? |
| 15:50.26 | chops | aleix: nod |
| 15:51.05 | stew | ma3x: you need to install the firmware-iwlwifi package |
| 15:51.40 | aleix | chops: finally, have you had any experience with dell's PERC or SAS Raid controllers? or anyone? what to choose? |
| 15:52.19 | abrotman | i would start by not choosing dell |
| 15:52.19 | chops | aleix: Dell's PERC controllers are supposed to be poo is what I've heard. I have two in my employ, and they've always gotten the job done, FWIW. |
| 15:52.19 | abrotman | hides from petemc |
| 15:52.23 | ma3x | stew, ok thanks i'll brb to report about the /dev/agpgart |
| 15:52.43 | chops | aleix: I would also advise staying away from Dell (HP and IBM are both generally well-regarded) |
| 15:52.45 | stew | ma3x: i don't believe that it should be looking for /dev/agpgart, since you don't have agp |
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| 15:53.03 | aleix | chops: any particular HP model to start looking? |
| 15:53.04 | ma3x | stew, so then I should probably set the video ram size right? |
| 15:53.12 | chops | aleix: We have a policy here of choosing Dell (basically so they're all color-coordinated with our desktops), and it causes me occasional grief |
| 15:53.13 | jetx | does pcie/x still use the module? |
| 15:53.17 | ma3x | do you know the option for xorg.conf |
| 15:53.19 | stew | ma3x: which is why i'd recommend "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg". if it is still not working after that, then show us your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:53.22 | aleix | chops: here too :( |
| 15:53.27 | stew | ma3x: no, you sholdn't even need to specify driver |
| 15:53.28 | ma3x | stew, ok brb |
| 15:53.32 | chops | aleix: No. Sadly, I know nothing about HP or IBM equipment firsthand :-) |
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| 15:53.42 | jetx | ma3x: the option in xorg.conf doesn't set the mem, it tells xorg how much there is.. irc. |
| 15:53.44 | jetx | iirc |
| 15:53.51 | jetx | ah well |
| 15:53.56 | aleix | chops: oh well, thanks a lot anyway, on my way to their web page! |
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| 15:54.05 | abrotman | would pick IBM .. |
| 15:54.06 | chops | aleix: Good luck |
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| 15:54.10 | aleix | :D |
| 15:54.35 | abrotman | speaking of .. |
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| 15:55.10 | chops | aleix: Also, worst comes to worst, you can install a 32-bit system on a 64-bit machine. I've got that on one of the 64-bit servers here (basically because it has no particular performance requirements or memory consumption). It makes some things a bit simpler. |
| 15:55.39 | abrotman | feels bad for chops |
| 15:55.58 | aleix | chops: i have done that too, i was expecting to increase horse power and performance now that i'm changing all servers |
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| 15:56.15 | chops | aleix: (Though... I've had precisely 1 problem on that server because of the small address space, and precisely 1 problem on its 64-bit mate because of the 64-bitness. Both were pretty straightforwardly solved.) |
| 15:56.21 | chops | abrotman: Why do you feel bad for me? |
| 15:56.24 | jetx | oops sf.org isn't exactly what i want, now is it |
| 15:56.37 | abrotman | chops: color coordinated equipment |
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| 15:56.58 | chops | abrotman: Ah, yes. Well, they pay me and they figure out how to keep the lights on, so I try to mute my complaints a bit. |
| 15:57.01 | aleix | chops: using pae and 32 bits can i address more memory right? Have you tried that? |
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| 15:57.26 | chops | aleix: You can; the only issue is if you have a single process that wants to address more than a couple of gigs. |
| 15:57.39 | aleix | chops: i see |
| 15:57.41 | PS11 | hello fuck people:D |
| 15:57.47 | PS11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.51 | abrotman | chops: good plan |
| 15:57.54 | PS11 | <: |
| 15:58.01 | PS11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.06 | abrotman | PS11: do you have a debian question? |
| 15:58.14 | PS11 | yes |
| 15:58.35 | chops | aleix: Plus 64-bit is a lot cleaner on the inside than PAE. It'll work identically to you for small process address spaces, but the particles of pain from kernel programmers may lodge in your kernel and be emitted from time to time in production. |
| 15:58.36 | PS11 | what debian? |
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| 15:58.45 | abrotman | !tell PS11 about debian |
| 15:58.52 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 15:58.52 | dpkg | i heard debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
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| 15:59.06 | PS11 | kurwa spierdalaÄ huje zajebane |
| 15:59.11 | abrotman | english |
| 15:59.25 | johndbritton | that means bitch something |
| 15:59.27 | dmilith | he said only fuck off fucked dicks in polish |
| 15:59.28 | aleix | chops: that's what i'm looking for... i'll try to install a amd64 on a demo server and see how far i can get... |
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| 15:59.37 | dutchfish | rezumjem |
| 15:59.42 | dmilith | ;} |
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| 16:01.41 | terver | hi |
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| 16:01.42 | chops | has his own ideas about what "kurwa" means, but decides it's not all that important :-) |
| 16:01.45 | terver | debian(32):/etc/ppp# route add -host 172.16.110.10 gw 212.44.150.70 dev ppp1 |
| 16:01.45 | terver | SIOCADDRT: No such process |
| 16:01.54 | terver | any idea why this doesn't work? |
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| 16:03.39 | torck | debian |
| 16:04.23 | dutchfish | terver, only if the device is up |
| 16:04.31 | torck | debian |
| 16:05.11 | simonrvn | torck: yes, you're in the right channel for that. do you have a relevant question? |
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| 16:05.21 | torck | poor simonrvn |
| 16:05.29 | terver | dutchfish, ppp1 is up and runnning |
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| 16:05.56 | dutchfish | terver, and if you d it with ifconfig pppx ip gw [gw] ? |
| 16:06.28 | stew | torck: if you have debian question, please ask it. |
| 16:06.38 | torck | what question shall I ask? |
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| 16:07.02 | stew | torck: if you don't have a debian related quesiton, either stay silent or move on. if you are looking for general chit-chat, try #defocus |
| 16:07.12 | torck | why? |
| 16:07.23 | stew | that's why |
| 16:07.27 | themill | :) |
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| 16:07.28 | petemc | biatch |
| 16:08.22 | terver | dutchfish, nope, doesn't work, but anyway, i need to add route, not to set default gw :\ |
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| 16:08.46 | ma3x | stew, here is the error log of the wireless and xorg http://paste.debian.net/465 |
| 16:08.47 | dutchfish | terver, should it not be: route -v add target 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 198.9.200.42 metric 1 dev pppx (as an example) |
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| 16:09.01 | kastro | !fglrx-one-liner |
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| 16:09.12 | kastro | !tell me fglrx one-liner |
| 16:09.26 | kastro | !tell me fglrx-one-liner |
| 16:09.34 | kastro | !tell me fglrx-oneliner |
| 16:09.39 | seeds | seems that iceweasel is tripping my pc in debian testing. makes me reboot alot. i purged it |
| 16:09.45 | stew | kastro: please /msg the bot |
| 16:09.45 | kastro | anyone know what the one liner is ? |
| 16:09.53 | kastro | cool |
| 16:09.55 | chops | seeds: Why do you reboot? What does "tripping" mean? |
| 16:09.56 | seeds | now everything is fine |
| 16:10.02 | seeds | hangs it |
| 16:10.03 | chops | seeds: Do you by any chance have the Flash plugin installed? |
| 16:10.08 | seeds | yes |
| 16:10.14 | stew | ma3x: it looks like the only problem is that you are pointing at a non-existent /dev/input/mouse1, you should probably be using /dev/input/mice |
| 16:10.14 | kurosu | hi, it seems there are no longer a xemacs package under lenny (but there are xemacs21-support-*); I also see the xemacs package no longer has a maintainer: are the 2 related ? (I couldn't find on google nor guess where to look over the dozens of debian mls) |
| 16:10.15 | Lagbolt | and you think iceweasel is the cause? |
| 16:10.18 | dmilith | seeds: apt-get -f install ? |
| 16:10.19 | chops | seeds: Hangs the machine? No ping, no numlock? |
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| 16:10.46 | chops | seeds: iceweasel should not be able to hang your machine regardless of how broken the Flash plugin is :-) |
| 16:10.47 | seeds | k. when it hangs i can only us alt prtsc with reisub |
| 16:10.51 | terver | dutchfish, yes, it should, but you can ommit 'target' and 'netmask' words, since i use '-host' |
| 16:10.56 | kurosu | s/there are no longer/there no longer is/ |
| 16:11.01 | seeds | can only use* |
| 16:11.02 | ma3x | stew, ok ... and why is the wireless not working? i installed the package for the firmware and i modprobed iwl3945 |
| 16:11.05 | ma3x | yet i get those errors |
| 16:11.10 | dutchfish | terver, depends |
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| 16:11.21 | chops | seeds: Why do you think iceweasel is the cause? |
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| 16:11.35 | stew | ma3x: you ran "ifup" as root? can you show us your /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:11.41 | seeds | well am not sure to tell u the truth |
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| 16:12.08 | seeds | but i suspect it is iceweasel. am using epiphany and everything works fine now |
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| 16:12.19 | kastro | is anyone running ati drivers with testing ? |
| 16:12.25 | craigevil | iceweasel may be able to crash X, never seen it cause a complete freeze though |
| 16:12.30 | akio | Wyzard, I went back to etch |
| 16:12.46 | ma3x | stew, yes as root http://paste.debian.net/466 |
| 16:12.52 | seeds | ok |
| 16:12.55 | chops | seeds: So you tried ping and ssh when the machine was frozen by iceweasel? |
| 16:13.04 | akio | installed nvidia drivers the nvidia way and I'm using xfwm4 compositing |
| 16:13.15 | seeds | i couldnot type anything |
| 16:13.23 | dutchfish | terver, http://homepage.smc.edu/morgan_david/linneta/assignments/ifroute-exercise.htm |
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| 16:13.43 | seeds | except using alt prtsc and reisub to reboot |
| 16:14.03 | XTZGZoReX | /usr/share/aclocal/libmcrypt.m4:17: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_LIBMCRYPT |
| 16:14.03 | XTZGZoReX | /usr/share/aclocal/libmcrypt.m4:17: run info '(automake)Extending aclocal' |
| 16:14.03 | XTZGZoReX | /usr/share/aclocal/libmcrypt.m4:17: or see http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal |
| 16:14.07 | XTZGZoReX | Eh. |
| 16:14.11 | XTZGZoReX | Sorry for that massive paste. |
| 16:14.11 | stew | ma3x: i don't know. what happens if you run "ifconfig eth5 up"? |
| 16:14.14 | akio | what is the easiest way to handle archives? (without kde/gnome specific programs) |
| 16:14.17 | XTZGZoReX | Although, can anyone enlighten me? |
| 16:14.18 | chops | seeds: Next time you should try to ssh in from a separate machine... that'll leave you able to debug the problem in a little more detail (or tell you something about the problem, if ssh is broken) |
| 16:14.33 | ma3x | stew, I'll try that too I dunno |
| 16:14.44 | ma3x | stew, is there no way for ipw3945 to work in 24-1? |
| 16:14.53 | kastro | has anyone got a ati runnin with fglrx on testing? |
| 16:14.56 | stew | ma3x: i dont' know |
| 16:15.14 | stew | kastro: i'm sure someone does. ask your real question |
| 16:15.32 | seeds | ok chops. thnx |
| 16:15.35 | kastro | well i cant get it working with the one liner on a fresh debian install |
| 16:15.45 | kastro | it has alwas worked for me in the past |
| 16:15.54 | ma3x | chops, can you help me out with wireless? iwl3945 won't work |
| 16:15.58 | kastro | but looks like some dependenct fraky stuff is going on |
| 16:16.04 | kastro | *dependency *freaky |
| 16:16.06 | chops | ma3x: I don't know anything about wireless on Debian, sorry |
| 16:16.27 | seeds | also this only happens when the wireless at my college is a bit weak n i got problems connecting |
| 16:17.09 | amphi | ma3x: did you try the iwlwifi driver? it doesn't need the daemon required by by ipw3945 |
| 16:17.35 | XTZGZoReX | Can anyone help me with some aclocal files? |
| 16:18.26 | justin | grand_gr1nt: you never answered my question |
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| 16:22.10 | chops | !tell XTZGZoReX about ask to ask |
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| 16:22.43 | zyx386 | hi |
| 16:23.28 | zyx386 | i install lenny, ican't install .deb per douple klick! how can install debian package? |
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| 16:23.52 | tarzeau | zyx386: dpkg -i the.deb |
| 16:23.57 | chops | zyx386: Generally with aptitude install. If you've downloaded a .deb yourself (which is not the way it's normally done), you can run dpkg -i on that .deb file. |
| 16:24.11 | zyx386 | thanks |
| 16:24.41 | zyx386 | and wich api most i add to my source list? |
| 16:24.52 | zyx386 | ftp.de.debian.org |
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| 16:26.02 | PeP` | greets |
| 16:26.12 | XTZGZoReX | chops: I was referring to if it belongs here. |
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| 16:27.42 | PeP` | I've got a little question... with a PII - about 200mhz, and 32 mb ram(!) - I'd like to install a small server, no need for X really... |
| 16:27.53 | justin | PeP`: get more ram |
| 16:28.08 | tarzeau | openstep would run nice on that |
| 16:28.22 | justin | with more ram lots of things would run nice |
| 16:28.25 | PeP` | do I install the 4.0_r3 ? or should I use an older? |
| 16:28.33 | tarzeau | PeP`: get more ram |
| 16:28.36 | PeP` | mh |
| 16:28.41 | stew | PeP`: 4.0_r3 is the only one supported |
| 16:28.45 | tarzeau | PeP`: where do you live? |
| 16:28.45 | PeP` | ok |
| 16:28.49 | PeP` | In belgium |
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| 16:29.12 | PeP` | tarzeau: in belgium, why that? |
| 16:29.27 | tarzeau | PeP`: if you was in switzerland, i'd give you some better hardware |
| 16:29.35 | PeP` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:29.42 | PeP` | well, do you think it is worth the try? |
| 16:29.47 | tarzeau | PeP`: no |
| 16:29.53 | PeP` | no? |
| 16:29.56 | wfe | how can i remove the pkgs that i installed with tasksel on first setup? |
| 16:29.59 | PeP` | dan small linux runs on it |
| 16:30.09 | PeP` | but it gets on my nerves.. |
| 16:30.16 | tarzeau | PeP`: if you want to waste time, go ahead |
| 16:30.35 | zyx386 | info about source.list? |
| 16:30.39 | PeP` | well, if you're persuaded it won't run, then I won't.. |
| 16:30.44 | stew | wfe: tasksel remove taskname |
| 16:31.11 | stew | PeP`: it would be possible to install, but that is half the amount of recommended memory, the install process would be painful |
| 16:31.14 | PeP` | I read that people got a minimal debian installation running on these ind of machines |
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| 16:31.23 | wfe | stew: if i enter tasksel and deselect the pkg-families? would that be equivalent? |
| 16:31.40 | zyx386 | info abpout APT and source.list !? |
| 16:31.41 | stew | wfe: i didn't understand that |
| 16:32.03 | stew | zyx386: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 16:32.23 | r0b | how do i mount a dvd movie in lenny tried "mount -o ro -t iso9660 /dev/hdd /media/dvd and auto" error says no media |
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| 16:33.12 | chtp | hi folks. i have some trouble with unattended installation of clients via pxe. if vga monitor hangs on vga port, the installation works fine, but with unplugged vga connector, the client hangs after receiving pxe image. anyone here has a hint whats going wrong? |
| 16:33.21 | zyx386 | thanks stew but i become nothing! :) |
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| 16:33.32 | _haxi_ | mh. |
| 16:33.41 | stew | zyx386: what? |
| 16:34.05 | stew | r0b: afaik dvds are usually udf not iso9660. have you tried leaving off '-t iso9660' ? |
| 16:34.08 | Ace2016 | Hunk #1 FAILED at 63. |
| 16:34.19 | Ace2016 | how do i use that info? what does it mean? i |
| 16:34.22 | zyx386 | eha thanx stew |
| 16:34.24 | Ace2016 | i'm trying to patch something |
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| 16:34.37 | MZM | does php-5.2.5-3 in lenny/sid has YAZ support? |
| 16:34.59 | stew | Ace2016: it should have dropped a .rej file which would the portion of the patch which didnt' apply, you'd have to apply that hunk by hand |
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| 16:35.09 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 16:35.38 | wfe | how do i see which daemons are started upon startup? |
| 16:36.15 | _haxi_ | If a click on a link who make a Pop-up with JS, my iceweasel is segfaultin'... wth?! |
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| 16:36.28 | Ace2016 | http://www.mail-archive.com/dmidecode-devel@nongnu.org/msg00060.html |
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| 16:36.36 | Ace2016 | How do i get that sent to my email? |
| 16:36.45 | amphi | _haxi_: iceweasel likes to segfault |
| 16:36.53 | Ace2016 | the webpage is messing up the line breaks in the patch file |
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| 16:37.01 | _haxi_ | amphi: it never did, on my computer.. |
| 16:37.10 | Ace2016 | there are extra carrage lines just added |
| 16:37.25 | amphi | _haxi_: it does here, frequently |
| 16:37.36 | r0b | i tried mount -o ro udf /dev/hdd /media/dvd no work |
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| 16:37.44 | stew | wfe: "ls /etc/rc2.d/S*" would show you init scripts run when you start. there is no easy way to get an actual list of deamons |
| 16:37.49 | amphi | only the 'restore session' thing makes it usable at all IMHO |
| 16:38.14 | wfe | stew: why rc2.d and not rc3.c? |
| 16:38.15 | amphi | it may be my fault; perhaps I have some broken plugins installed |
| 16:38.27 | stew | wfe: debain, by default, uses runlevel 2 not runlevel 3 |
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| 16:38.37 | lunartear | anyone know if Michael Stone is in here? |
| 16:38.48 | stew | wfe: "/sbin/runlevel" should tell you your current runlevel |
| 16:38.49 | stew | lunartear: he is not |
| 16:39.06 | lunartear | stew, does he irc at all? |
| 16:39.20 | stew | lunartear: he does |
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| 16:39.29 | stew | lunartear: but why do you need him? |
| 16:39.31 | wfe | stew: thanks |
| 16:39.37 | lunartear | stew, certain network he is on? |
| 16:39.56 | lunartear | stew, to discuss some behavior with acl inheritance and cp, etc.. |
| 16:39.58 | stew | lunartear: many. you can email him at daniel@fooishbar.org |
| 16:40.09 | stew | lunartear: why him? |
| 16:40.20 | lunartear | he's the maintainer of coreutils? |
| 16:40.52 | lunartear | stew are you suggesting there's someone better to talk with? |
| 16:41.08 | stew | lunartear: no, i'm suggesting an email or a filing on the bts might be better |
| 16:41.14 | stew | lunartear: he's also mstone@debian.org |
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| 16:41.39 | lunartear | stew, i've emailed him already, but wanted to check here since email is too slow |
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| 16:42.54 | _haxi_ | it's "hyperBK" extension who fucked anythin' up ;] |
| 16:43.23 | lunartear | anyone else familiar with coreutils and acl support? |
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| 16:44.31 | stew | lunartear: just ask your real question |
| 16:45.16 | r0b | mount -t udf /dev/hdd /media/dvd - no mediu, found, why cant i mount my dvd video |
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| 16:46.53 | lunartear | stew, my question is that i have acl rules applied to a directory and work fine with touch and mkdir, but cp, scp, rsync, etc.. of files dont inherit the acls of said parent directory when placed inside it. you can see an example at http://nopaste.snit.ch/12674 I've also tried a cp --no-preserve=mode |
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| 16:47.27 | Akuw | i need an application to make a video small |
| 16:47.28 | wfe | can i somehow debootstrap my current debian install? |
| 16:47.35 | Akuw | any software to edit video? |
| 16:47.43 | wfe | if yes, how? |
| 16:48.08 | lunartear | stew I would expect acl rules to be applied to any children unless explicitly told to preserve its existing permissions, otherwise it defeats the purpose of acl |
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| 16:49.06 | lunartear | this behavior im seeing can present a security risk unless i hold its hand and fix permissions every time something is copied there |
| 16:49.11 | mbroeker | Akuw, you can "easily" rescale videos with mencoder. But software to edit videos such as rosengarden are quite complex. I gave up using it. |
| 16:49.14 | Ace2016 | Hunk #1 FAILED at 12. <<< where is Hunk 12? |
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| 16:49.32 | Ace2016 | is there some way i could search for it? |
| 16:49.33 | yang | I am trying to setup a GPRS connection, but I am getting the following error, regarding pin setup http://openpaste.org/en/5965/ |
| 16:49.43 | vvd | does anyone know if anjuta does code autocompletion for python? |
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| 16:49.50 | Akuw | mencoder ? |
| 16:49.50 | vvd | or c only |
| 16:50.12 | wfe | \ |
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| 16:50.45 | Akuw | where is mencoder? |
| 16:51.16 | themill | !dell Akuw about dmm |
| 16:51.25 | omry | I have a problem with a deb, it wont install and I can't figure out what is it's problem. any idea? http://yadan.net/omry/kaa.txt |
| 16:51.27 | themill | !tell Akuw about dmm |
| 16:51.35 | liable | avidemux is a nice tool for that too.. |
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| 16:52.03 | stew | Ace2016: its hunk#1, and it should have saved it to a file ending in .rej (and should have told you that) |
| 16:52.05 | liable | or ffmpeg |
| 16:52.28 | stew | Ace2016: if you want to find it in the original patch, it would be the first section of the patch for this file |
| 16:52.33 | Ace2016 | yay i found a non messed up version |
| 16:52.57 | lunartear | stew an example of the security risk i see is a group writable environment that has world read access, but someone in this group copies a file that has full access permissions, and the acl is not inherited to fix the perms, its now fully accessible and can be exploited, defaced, or whatever |
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| 16:53.11 | Ace2016 | the patch had carriage returns added to make it fit on the web page, i searched the mailing list to find the proper one |
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| 16:53.13 | stew | lunartear: i don't know anything about acls |
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| 16:58.02 | magowiz | Hi, is there an elegant way to make iptables start at boot , and save on halt/reboot? In gentoo I remember that if I want to launch any script at the end of boot process I can add it to /etc/conf.d/local.start , is there an analogue file in debian ? |
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| 16:59.00 | Akuw | W: GPG error: http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 16:59.10 | Akuw | why ? |
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| 16:59.25 | r0b | mount -t udf /dev/hdd /media/dvd - no medium found, why cant i mount my dvd video |
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| 16:59.26 | lunartear | ace2001ac_: just use sed or perl to strip the extra carriage returns? |
| 16:59.44 | lunartear | ace2006: just use sed or perl to strip the extra carriage returns? |
| 16:59.56 | lunartear | arg 2016 |
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| 17:00.46 | YodaYoda | magowiz: /etc/rc.local |
| 17:00.48 | lunartear | r0b, trying to mount the wrong device? |
| 17:00.57 | magowiz | YodaYoda, thanks! |
| 17:01.10 | YodaYoda | np |
| 17:02.05 | r0b | lunartear: i have 2 optical drives the cdrw should be hdc and the dvdrw is hdd? |
| 17:02.07 | pumpkin0 | where is the gcc-channel ? I have found a soucre that compiles cleanly in gcc-4.1 and fails in an interessting way under 4.2. |
| 17:02.14 | r0b | hdc mounts fine |
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| 17:02.45 | aawd | I know perl is enabled on my webserver, but shouldnt debian fix addtype automatically? |
| 17:02.47 | Datz | Hi, is Debian availiable for Mac 8.6? |
| 17:02.58 | stew | pumpkin0: its #gcc |
| 17:02.58 | aawd | when I access .pl files they get downloaded |
| 17:03.01 | blizzow | r0b: the hdX naming scheme depends on where on your IDE channels the drives are plugged in. |
| 17:03.12 | blizzow | The primary IDE master is hda |
| 17:03.19 | stew | r0b: does /dev/dvd exist? |
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| 17:03.39 | r0b | im using the secondary the dvdrw is slave |
| 17:03.57 | stew | aawd: perhaps you need to run "a2enmod perl" |
| 17:03.58 | peleg | do you know which software supports mms playing lists? |
| 17:03.58 | blizzow | the primary IDE slave is hdb, secondary IDE master is hdc, and secondary IDE slave is hdd. |
| 17:04.04 | Akuw | why ? |
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| 17:04.15 | Akuw | W: GPG error: http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
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| 17:04.22 | r0b | dvd1 does |
| 17:04.28 | stew | Akuw: /msg dpkg no public key ; /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 17:04.37 | stew | r0b: what does "readlink -f /dev/dvd1" say? |
| 17:04.45 | lunartear | r0b, check dmesg for what it discovered |
| 17:04.54 | r0b | stew: /dev/hdd |
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| 17:05.14 | blizzow | r0b: ln -sf /dev/hdd /dev/dvd |
| 17:05.24 | blizzow | or /dev/dvd1 as you need |
| 17:05.26 | stew | blizzow: that link already exists |
| 17:05.28 | stew | oh |
| 17:05.31 | stew | maybe not |
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| 17:05.42 | peppe | magowiz: it would be better to put those scripts in /etc/network/if-...d/, however |
| 17:06.15 | r0b | /dev/hdd is link to /dev/dvd1 no? |
| 17:06.27 | magowiz | peppe, you are right, I found also this solution googling. |
| 17:06.28 | stew | r0b: no, the other way around |
| 17:06.36 | r0b | i dont have a /dev/dvd |
| 17:06.59 | stew | magowiz: using pre-up and down in /etc/network/interfaces is another way (man interfaces) |
| 17:07.16 | r0b | i have dvd1 and dvdrw1 |
| 17:07.19 | SilverDawn | im back |
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| 17:07.42 | magowiz | stew, ok I'll read this man , thanks |
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| 17:08.59 | SilverDawn | Okay, So i need to ask, In debian, Approx how long does it take to go from the install disk to a desktop thats usable |
| 17:09.02 | Datz | What version of Debian will run on a Mac 8.6? |
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| 17:10.13 | r0b | stew: both dvd1 and dvdrw1 are linked to hdd but the it wont mount |
| 17:10.33 | SilverDawn | Anyone?... |
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| 17:11.09 | stew | SilverDawn: it depends greatly on the hardware, and the network connection if you are doing a netinst |
| 17:11.47 | SilverDawn | Okay well i get about 900kb/s max, I run a 2.40ghz prescott proc, 1.25gb of ram, And a nvidia 5500 pci video card |
| 17:11.48 | SilverDawn | :) |
| 17:11.56 | SilverDawn | I doubt the video card matters :P |
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| 17:13.55 | magowiz | stew, so I added theese two lines on my network interface : pre-up iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.bak |
| 17:13.55 | magowiz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.31 | pumpkin0 | stew: thanks. sometimes i'm blind... |
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| 17:14.59 | stew | magowiz: sounds good |
| 17:15.00 | akio | how can i get an xsession over wan? |
| 17:15.25 | akio | i want to sorta "rdp/vnc" into my machine |
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| 17:15.38 | r0b | stew: am i missing something "mount -t udf /dev/hdd /media/dvd" to make my dvd movie visible |
| 17:15.49 | r0b | says no medium found |
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| 17:16.55 | stew | r0b: perhaps the dvd is damaged. perhaps it isn't udf |
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| 17:17.16 | stew | r0b: who burned the dvd? |
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| 17:18.08 | r0b | stew: i dont know its just a normal dvd movie im wanting to mount so i can save it to xvid to my computer |
| 17:18.28 | stew | r0b: i can't help you with that |
| 17:18.45 | keith4 | r0b: it's not that simple |
| 17:19.19 | r0b | i know how to convert it i just need to get it mounted first before i can do anything to it |
| 17:19.21 | SilverDawn | im sure this will start a flamewar, But can anyone say what a major advantage of using debian of ubuntu is? |
| 17:19.41 | stew | SilverDawn: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 17:19.41 | r0b | its not a bootleg copy |
| 17:20.05 | stew | SilverDawn: /msg dpkg sc |
| 17:20.10 | magowiz | r0b, probably you need a particular lib to de-css your dvd |
| 17:20.36 | magowiz | r0b, dvd-video are usually encrypted |
| 17:20.40 | keith4 | r0b: no media => empty drive |
| 17:20.44 | keith4 | are you sure it's hdd? |
| 17:20.48 | r0b | yes |
| 17:21.04 | keith4 | run lsdvd |
| 17:21.11 | r0b | i installed libdvdcss |
| 17:21.49 | r0b | lsdvd command not found? |
| 17:22.17 | keith4 | fine. install lsdvd. THEN run it |
| 17:22.38 | SilverDawn | Hrm, How up to date is lenny?, Like... whats the current kernel in it? |
| 17:22.41 | r0b | Can't find device /dev/dvd |
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| 17:22.56 | stew | SilverDawn: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 17:23.04 | r0b | its hooked to my secondary slave or cs |
| 17:23.33 | keith4 | r0b: go symlink /dev/dvd to /dev/hdd |
| 17:23.35 | magowiz | so it should be a /dev/hdd |
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| 17:23.53 | ma3x | hi why I can launch Xorg with root but not with normal user |
| 17:24.10 | keith4 | lots of reasons |
| 17:24.17 | ma3x | waiting for X server to shut down (EE) intel(0): I830 Vblank Pipe Setup Failed 0 |
| 17:24.17 | ma3x | (EE) intel(0): I830 Vblank Pipe Setup Failed 0 |
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| 17:24.46 | ma3x | help how to solve it please |
| 17:25.10 | DawnLight_friend | does anyone know whether it is safe to use ntfsresize on an ntfs filesystem with windows xp installed? |
| 17:25.11 | r0b | keith4: ln -s /dev/hdd /dev/dvd - lsdvd Can't open disc /dev/dvd! |
| 17:25.27 | keith4 | try another DVD |
| 17:25.28 | SilverDawn | wow its 2.6.24? |
| 17:25.40 | keith4 | SilverDawn: yep |
| 17:25.46 | SilverDawn | Thats... supprising |
| 17:25.53 | keith4 | why? |
| 17:26.05 | SilverDawn | I always picture debian being very out of date |
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| 17:26.06 | SilverDawn | lol |
| 17:26.18 | r0b | keith4: same thing on another disc |
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| 17:26.48 | keith4 | SilverDawn: perhaps you were thinking of etch |
| 17:26.57 | SilverDawn | Actually i was thinking of sarge lol |
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| 17:27.25 | keith4 | r0b: then either that's not where your DVD drive is, or you have a more serious problem |
| 17:27.30 | SilverDawn | if you wanted to install the nvidia propiatary driver, Would it just be apt-get install nvidia-glx? |
| 17:27.45 | keith4 | nope |
| 17:27.57 | SilverDawn | No? |
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| 17:28.06 | SilverDawn | i mean after enabling the nonfree sources |
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| 17:28.24 | keith4 | it'd be something like 'nvidia-kernel-2.6-686' |
| 17:28.28 | keith4 | glx is helpful, too |
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| 17:28.38 | ma3x | what is the default permission on /tmp? |
| 17:28.45 | stew | ma3x: 1777 |
| 17:28.50 | ma3x | thanks |
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| 17:29.42 | r0b | keith4: what does this mean in dmesg "hdd: rw=0, want=68, limit=4" |
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| 17:30.06 | deadlyninja | is there a way to make a mdadm raid5 sync faster after creation? it seems to be limiting itself to 1m/sec |
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| 17:32.25 | sepski | deadlyninja, |
| 17:32.25 | sepski | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:36.23 | magowiz | how can I remove deps that aren't needed anymore ? I'm using debian etch stable. |
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| 17:36.51 | stew | magowiz: deborphan or debfoster |
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| 17:37.07 | stew | magowiz: or use aptitude for everything from now on, which removes them when they are no longer needed |
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| 17:38.31 | magowiz | stew , are deborphan and debfoster CLI utilities? I use this pc as a webserver, I don't want to install anything that needs X |
| 17:38.47 | stew | magowiz: yes |
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| 17:39.58 | halflife08 | hello folks, can someone recommend a jabber server implementation that i can install on debian and it can use Microsoft AD (kills self) for authentication ? |
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| 17:40.26 | Deezire | uh, that would need the use of LDAP. |
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| 17:40.38 | Deezire | It's basically a pain in the ass. |
| 17:42.03 | keith4 | things that auth to ldap can usually be persuaded to auth to AD |
| 17:42.06 | keith4 | but it's never fun |
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| 17:43.55 | lhou | xen ? |
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| 17:45.43 | halflife08 | Deezire:thanks |
| 17:45.51 | halflife08 | keith4: okay thanks |
| 17:47.58 | blued | Hi, there's a new forum for linux musicians... to contact other musicians and people who work with linux, you're very welcome http://linuxmusicians.com/index.php , thanks |
| 17:48.39 | stew | blued: do not spam this channel |
| 17:49.07 | blued | stew, ok boss |
| 17:49.11 | blued | ;) |
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| 17:50.51 | biz | in old woody (dselect days), is there a way to list all packages of a section? eg. all packages in section 'net'? |
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| 17:51.21 | azeem | isn't that what dselect doesÃÂ |
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| 17:52.56 | pgpkeys | Arggg, there be lily livered pasty whiteboys around! |
| 17:52.58 | biz | seems like it does this interactively, only |
| 17:53.00 | stew | biz: "aptitude search \~snet" |
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| 17:53.28 | azeem | biz: try grep-dctrl then (backport it maybe= |
| 17:54.03 | xingu | it's a pity that apt-cache can't search by header field |
| 17:54.06 | stew | grep-dctrl was in woody, wasn't it? |
| 17:54.10 | stew | grep-available -s Package -FSection "net" |
| 17:54.51 | xingu | stew: dctrl-tools, still seems to be present |
| 17:55.03 | biz | thanks |
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| 17:59.15 | fd2 | why does debian stable install nagios 1.4? how should i get 3.0? |
| 17:59.34 | Deezire | Use unstable/testing apt-mirrors. |
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| 18:00.09 | stew | fd2: you can get nagios2 by installing the nagios2 package. nagios3 isn't in debian stable becuase it didn't exist when the current debian stable was frozen (in 2006) |
| 18:00.12 | fd2 | Deezire, can i mix stable with unstable ? |
| 18:00.12 | stew | fd2: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 18:00.22 | Deezire | fd2: Yeah |
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| 18:00.42 | stew | fd2: no, you should not |
| 18:00.44 | stew | Deezire: stop |
| 18:00.59 | stew | fd2: mising stable with unstable is a bad idea. you should use a backport: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 18:01.18 | Deezire | stew: Oh, ofcourse. I only run stable anyway, heh |
| 18:01.25 | fd2 | thank you stew |
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| 18:02.01 | stew | fd2: actually it looks like its been backported as the nagios3 package: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 18:02.50 | kastro | is there any reason why i wouldnt be able to see fglrx- stuff in the repository, i updated them and all |
| 18:03.06 | stew | kastro: in which repository? |
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| 18:03.17 | kastro | stew: testing |
| 18:03.26 | stew | kastro: debian doesn't include fglrx becuase it isn't free software |
| 18:03.34 | kastro | i have contrib non-free |
| 18:03.41 | kastro | in my sources |
| 18:03.51 | kastro | but it dosent show up |
| 18:04.06 | kastro | i have another debian box right next to me using the same mirros |
| 18:04.10 | kastro | and it shows up |
| 18:04.11 | kastro | wtf ? |
| 18:04.12 | kastro | lol |
| 18:04.18 | Deezire | apt-get update |
| 18:04.25 | kastro | done that like 20 time |
| 18:04.26 | kastro | lol |
| 18:04.29 | kastro | im confused |
| 18:05.12 | kastro | any ideas ? |
| 18:05.12 | keith4 | don't you have to build fglrx using module assistant? |
| 18:05.17 | kastro | yeh |
| 18:05.29 | keith4 | so then why would you expect it to show up in apt? |
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| 18:05.36 | kastro | but fglrx-config fglrx-kenerl-src etc |
| 18:05.38 | azeem | kastro: which version of Debian? |
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| 18:05.43 | kastro | isn't showing |
| 18:05.51 | stew | 14:02 < kastro> stew: testing |
| 18:05.53 | kastro | azeem: installed from testing netinstall |
| 18:05.56 | azeem | ah |
| 18:05.59 | keith4 | do you have module assistant installed? |
| 18:06.02 | kastro | yes |
| 18:06.05 | keith4 | try m-a a-i fglrx, see what it does |
| 18:06.31 | kastro | but im saying my debian box right next to me using exactly the same mirror shows up in the non-free repository |
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| 18:06.59 | kastro | aptitude search fglrx in this conputer yields nothing |
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| 18:07.28 | azeem | paste your sources.list to a pastebin |
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| 18:08.34 | kastro | azeem: might be alittle hard from console, let me see |
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| 18:09.54 | kastro | azeem: it's all right i mave dep mirror.here/ testing main contrin non-free |
| 18:10.07 | azeem | contrin |
| 18:10.10 | azeem | that's wrong |
| 18:10.19 | kastro | that was my typo here sorry |
| 18:10.19 | azeem | or maybe "mirror.here/" is faulty |
| 18:10.35 | azeem | do you get errors when you run apt-get update? |
| 18:10.36 | kastro | no i have the right mirror lol, i just cant copy/paste |
| 18:10.40 | omry | get this during a lenny dist upgrade, any idea? yaird error: bad device link in /sys/class/input/event3/device (fatal) |
| 18:10.48 | azeem | kastro: then transcribe it |
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| 18:10.51 | omry | (upgrading kernel image) |
| 18:11.08 | stew | kastro: you can upload sources.list to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 18:11.31 | stew | omry: is there a reason you are using yaird and not initramfs-tools? (like, are you trying to avoid installing udev?) |
| 18:11.51 | kastro | deb http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
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| 18:12.00 | kastro | sorry i cant pastebin im in terminal |
| 18:12.10 | omry | stew, no particular reason I can remember. |
| 18:12.10 | kastro | well it would be too difficult ;D |
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| 18:12.32 | omry | stew, I don't have /udev (if that's where it's supposed to go) |
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| 18:13.02 | stew | omry: i'd recommend installing initramfs-tools and try again |
| 18:13.32 | kastro | stew: i pasted above |
| 18:13.46 | kastro | and the same for deb-src, and then just the security updates ones |
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| 18:13.57 | kastro | no erros on apt-get update |
| 18:14.02 | azeem | kastro: debian/debian is wrong |
| 18:14.16 | kastro | :/ i think not on that mirros |
| 18:14.31 | omry | stew, success. thanks. |
| 18:14.31 | azeem | oh my |
| 18:14.52 | stew | azeem: debian/debian is right |
| 18:16.25 | kastro | is anyone running testing |
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| 18:16.47 | kastro | can anyone verify that fglrx-* is in non-free repos ? |
| 18:16.58 | kastro | i am seeing it on my other computer |
| 18:17.01 | kastro | bah! wtf |
| 18:17.04 | azeem | !info fglrx-driver lenny |
| 18:17.08 | dpkg | fglrx-driver: (non-free AMD/ATI r5xx, r6xx display driver), section non-free/x11, is extra. Version: 8.47.3-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 7170 kB, Installed size: 23504 kB |
| 18:17.40 | kastro | cheers |
| 18:17.49 | azeem | kastro: what does "apt-cache policy fglrx-control" say? |
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| 18:18.23 | stew | kastro: what arch are you on? |
| 18:18.34 | kastro | unable to locate package fglrx-control |
| 18:18.39 | kastro | i686 |
| 18:18.44 | kastro | i386 whateverr |
| 18:18.55 | x1250 | is it just me or alsa has better sound quality than pulse? |
| 18:19.10 | x1250 | damn, wrong chan |
| 18:19.21 | kastro | how can i bring up mirros select? |
| 18:19.37 | kastro | i might try a different mirros just in case |
| 18:19.52 | kastro | *mirror |
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| 18:20.19 | azeem | !mirrors |
| 18:20.19 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 18:20.22 | azeem | kastro: ^^ |
| 18:20.25 | stew | kastro: that mirror has it listed in Packages.gz so there should be no reason to change mirrors |
| 18:20.53 | kastro | hrmm |
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| 18:21.08 | kastro | well the pc next to me is using that very same mirros and see's the package |
| 18:21.12 | kastro | this si so strange |
| 18:21.17 | Eulex | kastro, do you have non-free sources? |
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| 18:21.21 | kastro | is there any way i can tell apt to clear all it's cache |
| 18:21.24 | kastro | i have |
| 18:21.29 | Eulex | on both? |
| 18:21.32 | kastro | deb http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 18:21.35 | kastro | yes on both |
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| 18:21.51 | kastro | clear the package info it has |
| 18:21.57 | kastro | can i do that somehow ? |
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| 18:22.20 | Eulex | kastro, not really, but you can tell on one whether it has got the package from the current mirror or not |
| 18:22.27 | Eulex | kastro, apt-cache policy fglrx-control |
| 18:22.42 | kastro | my other computer |
| 18:22.52 | kastro | i should run that on? |
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| 18:23.07 | Eulex | if it only lists the package source as /var/lib/dpkg/status, it only has the package locally and not through any mirror |
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| 18:23.12 | Eulex | kastro, the one that finds the package |
| 18:23.18 | stew | wget -O- http://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/dists/testing/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz | gzip -cd | grep "^Package: fglrx-" |
| 18:23.19 | kastro | okays trying now |
| 18:23.22 | stew | ^^^ that gives me matches |
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| 18:23.44 | Eulex | kastro, oh, and have you run apt-get update recently? |
| 18:23.47 | kastro | yes |
| 18:23.51 | kastro | about 100 times |
| 18:23.53 | kastro | lol |
| 18:23.58 | Eulex | :) |
| 18:23.59 | kastro | :D |
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| 18:25.19 | kastro | apti think i kno what happened |
| 18:25.19 | th0ger_ifa | Where can i see the actual kernel options used during boot (not lilo/grub config files) |
| 18:25.21 | kastro | know |
| 18:25.29 | kastro | i think someting is corrupted on the mirror |
| 18:25.41 | kastro | becaause i just updated the other computer againa and it's dissapeared |
| 18:25.44 | stew | th0ger_ifa: "cat /proc/cmdline" perhaps |
| 18:25.49 | kastro | did apt-get update |
| 18:25.51 | kastro | hrrm |
| 18:25.53 | kastro | strange |
| 18:26.07 | kastro | is there a command line tool to change mirros easily |
| 18:26.08 | kastro | ? |
| 18:26.08 | stew | kastro: i don't think its the mirror, se my above wget line |
| 18:26.15 | th0ger_ifa | stew: thanks |
| 18:26.17 | stew | kastro: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:26.33 | kastro | stew: i think the listing file is corrupted on the mirror |
| 18:26.40 | kastro | is there a command line tool to change mirros easily |
| 18:26.45 | kastro | so i can test another one |
| 18:26.57 | Eulex | kastro, do you get any errors? you would, if the file was corrupted. |
| 18:27.06 | kastro | because i just updated sources on the pc what was finding it, and now it isn't finding it |
| 18:27.08 | Eulex | kastro, vim /etc/apt/sources.list :) |
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| 18:27.18 | stew | kastro: corrupted how? |
| 18:27.24 | kastro | haha |
| 18:27.25 | kastro | it is |
| 18:27.29 | kastro | :) |
| 18:27.34 | kastro | md5 mismatch |
| 18:27.49 | kastro | just realised aptitude was supressing the error, but apt-get wasn't |
| 18:28.15 | Eulex | yeah, try another mirror |
| 18:28.15 | tarzeau | kastro: sed ? |
| 18:28.19 | kastro | thought i was going cookoo |
| 18:28.21 | tarzeau | Eulex: not interactive |
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| 18:28.24 | kastro | lol |
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| 18:29.03 | Eulex | tarzeau, well, I wouldn't consider the process of using sed to do it 'non-interactive' either :) |
| 18:29.10 | kastro | does anyone know a mirror to try of the top of theit head |
| 18:29.15 | kastro | im on terminal |
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| 18:29.31 | stew | kastro: what country are you in? |
| 18:29.35 | kastro | australia |
| 18:29.39 | stew | kastro: http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian |
| 18:29.41 | Eulex | kastro, doesn't hinder you from using a text mode browser ;) |
| 18:29.48 | tarzeau | Eulex: why ? |
| 18:29.49 | kastro | :) |
| 18:29.51 | kastro | hehe |
| 18:29.55 | kastro | links or lynx ;D |
| 18:29.59 | kastro | thanks stew |
| 18:30.11 | tarzeau | Eulex: you can just say sed -i s,\.se,\.ch,g /etc/apt/sources.list or something |
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| 18:31.02 | Eulex | tarzeau, well, yeah |
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| 18:31.22 | kastro | what does that do ? |
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| 18:31.42 | gnuth | back |
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| 18:33.31 | kastro | was fine on new mirror |
| 18:33.34 | aawd | anyone know which package contains mencoder? |
| 18:33.37 | kastro | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.42 | kastro | thought i was going mad |
| 18:33.45 | stew | aawd: mencoder. but it is not in debian |
| 18:33.52 | kastro | packages dissapearing on front of my eys :s |
| 18:33.53 | kastro | o_O |
| 18:33.58 | Eulex | !debian-multimedia |
| 18:33.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 18:34.19 | Eulex | aawd, it is in the debian-multimedia repo, see above |
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| 18:35.22 | kastro | well thanks again fellas |
| 18:35.25 | kastro | i can sleep now - lol |
| 18:35.36 | kastro | have a good one - thanks again |
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| 18:47.18 | TromBoeZoe | !paste |
| 18:47.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 18:52.27 | TromBoeZoe | Hi! I have a Orinoco Classic Gold PCMCIA card , and am trying to log into a Ad-Hoc connection, as it says in my $ dmesg >>> http://rafb.net/p/pZcj8e71.html output, ad-mode is possible, when i try to connect, the error is that that mode is not supported. |
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| 18:53.36 | TromBoeZoe | correction ^^^ ad-hoc mode = ad-mode |
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| 18:54.51 | gnuth | TromBoeZoe: yes, http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 18:54.58 | abrotman | TromBoeZoe: you might want to also ask #wireless |
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| 18:55.20 | TromBoeZoe | ah ok, thank you abrotman |
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| 19:01.08 | xingu | TromBoeZoe: if I were in your shoes I'd lose adhoc mode as well as orinoco_cs and go for hostap driver instead and set it up in master mode |
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| 19:02.03 | xingu | TromBoeZoe: I must say that every experience I've ever had with (fully working) adhoc mode has been atrocious performancewise; there's possibly even a sound technical reason for it |
| 19:03.38 | TromBoeZoe | hostap for the orinoco card / ist there ad-hoc support in it |
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| 19:05.48 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know whether an EXT3 filesystem can be recovered if its journal is on a second drive, and that second drive crashes? |
| 19:06.38 | azeem | kingsley: it's just an ext2 then, AIUI |
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| 19:08.09 | Eulex | kingsley, ... why do you have the journal on a second drive? |
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| 19:08.32 | kingsley | Eulex: Speed. |
| 19:08.39 | Eulex | oh |
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| 19:09.11 | thunc | back |
| 19:10.46 | zrin | is it possible to mount apple-formatted usb hdd? in first sectors it reads "Apple_partition_map" and "Apple_Free" and "Apple_HFS_Untitled_1" |
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| 19:14.00 | Ergo^ | evenin |
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| 19:15.48 | Ergo^ | is there any way i can ask debian devs to update a packgage that is very old even in sid ? |
| 19:15.59 | gangsterlicious | any idea why when i ps system processes any username longer than 8 characters shows up as uid? |
| 19:16.06 | compDo | with "df -h" I get "/dev/md1 9.2G 8.7G 93M 99% /" for my RAID device. What I don't understand is why more than 400 MB are left out. Any ideas? |
| 19:16.12 | stew | Ergo^: yes, file a wishlist bug against the package with the title "new upstream version available" /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 19:16.25 | gangsterlicious | i thought linux did away with that 8 character limitation... i only see that in solaris |
| 19:16.52 | tarzeau | gangsterlicious: huh? |
| 19:16.57 | zinx | presumably because of ps's output formatting |
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| 19:17.11 | gangsterlicious | zinx: right, makes sense. thanks |
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| 19:17.16 | Ergo^ | pgadmin3 is way outdated especially when using postgresql 8.3 that is up to date in repo |
| 19:17.25 | Eulex | gangsterlicious, try COLUMNS=200 ps ? |
| 19:17.44 | Eulex | or wait, that will prolly not work |
| 19:17.48 | zinx | Eulex: ps's default formatting may have a specific layout for legacy reasons |
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| 19:18.49 | gangsterlicious | hmmm, guess i'll just hard-code username with ps -fU in scripts then... |
| 19:19.01 | xingu | zrin: try your luck - mount -t auto /dev/whatever /wherever |
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| 19:22.23 | stew | compDo: are you meaning why is it saying only 99% is avilable when it appears that there is more available? |
| 19:22.35 | stew | err 1% available... |
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| 19:23.25 | stew | compDo: by default 5% is reseved for root, you can change this with tune2fs |
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| 19:24.17 | xingu | kingsley: depends on what sort of state it was in when things got broke probably; are you using ordered or writeback mode? |
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| 19:25.55 | lontra | how would i add the debian mentor repo to my sources.list or alternatively how would i be able to cherry pick something from it? |
| 19:26.12 | kingsley | xingu: Thanks for asking. Since posing my question, I've learned that "tune2fs -J" can add a jounral to an EXT[23] filesystem, which seems to solve my problem. |
| 19:26.29 | xingu | kingsley: yup; other magic can be peformed with debugfs |
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| 19:27.13 | uz3r | hi all, can anyone help me with ipcop here or not? |
| 19:27.15 | xingu | kingsley: obviously the lesson to learn is 1/ multipath for journal is as important as it is for the filesystem and 2/ so is mirroring |
| 19:27.30 | lontra | nevermind i found the deb-src |
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| 19:27.52 | thunc | front |
| 19:27.59 | stew | !tell thunc about away |
| 19:28.11 | kingsley | xingu: What does "multipath" mean? |
| 19:28.20 | zrin | xingu: thank you - the answer is: parted /dev/sdx print; mount -t hsfplus /dev/sdx3 hfs |
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| 19:28.32 | FFighter | hello |
| 19:28.38 | xingu | kingsley: the concern with writeback would be that with a high load it'd get to being a statistical certainty that at least one inode's metadata no longer matched its fnode |
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| 19:28.59 | uz3r | can someone here help me with getting an ipcop box to connect via a pppoe connection or not? |
| 19:29.26 | xingu | kingsley: as in - multiple paths between the os image and the backing store; so multiple storage controllers on multiple pci busses, multiple cabling loops to multiple disk packs |
| 19:29.30 | FFighter | folks, I´ve got a problem: I have installed the postgresql package and it installed postgresql 7.4, actually I wanted the 8.1 version, so I removed (apt-get remove) the 7.4 package and installed postgresql-8.1. However, the psql utility remained linked to the 7.4 version, why ? |
| 19:29.36 | FFighter | Debain Etch |
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| 19:30.12 | xingu | kingsley: active/standby or live/live redundancy, from top to bottom |
| 19:30.14 | kingsley | xingu: Perhaps "redundancy" would be a useful word. |
| 19:30.23 | xingu | kingsley: a specific kind of redundancy |
| 19:31.11 | xingu | kingsley: dm-multipath makes this simpler to implement than describe :) |
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| 19:32.08 | stew | FFighter: is postgresql-client-8.1 installed? |
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| 19:32.37 | FFighter | stew, oh, I thought it would be installed automatically by the postgresql-8.1 package |
| 19:32.40 | FFighter | stew, thanks |
| 19:32.44 | keith4 | FFighter: did you actually remove 7.4 first, or did they co-exist briefly? |
| 19:32.50 | compDo | stew, ok thank you |
| 19:32.51 | FFighter | keith4, I removed |
| 19:33.07 | keith4 | good |
| 19:33.48 | FFighter | stew, tried installing the client package but it seems it is already installed, however, psql --version gives 7.4 |
| 19:34.23 | stew | FFighter: remove postgresql-client-7.4 |
| 19:35.09 | stew | FFighter: or perhaps "man pg_wrapper" perhaps something in ~/.postgresqlrc is having an effect |
| 19:35.13 | Ergo^ | FFighter: btw. i suggest using 8.3.1 not 8.1 unless you have to |
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| 19:35.57 | abrotman | Ergo^: etch doesn't have 8.3 |
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| 19:36.29 | Ergo^ | abrotman: its in backport for 100% |
| 19:36.48 | FFighter | stew, apt-get wont install the psql client for 8.1 :( |
| 19:36.51 | FFighter | not matter what I try |
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| 19:36.59 | abrotman | Ergo^: sure .. just noting |
| 19:37.09 | stew | FFighter: won't? do does ig give an error? |
| 19:37.22 | FFighter | no it does not |
| 19:37.37 | stew | FFighter: what makes you think it won't? |
| 19:37.42 | FFighter | stew, acutally I just removed the psql from /usr/bin |
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| 19:37.45 | xingu | FFighter: check /etc/postgresql-common/user_clusters and the ilk |
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| 19:38.05 | FFighter | xingu, ilk ? |
| 19:38.23 | keith4 | FFighter: dpkg -l | grep postgres and remove all of the 7.4 crap |
| 19:39.10 | xingu | FFighter: a fine scots word meaning, roughly, family, kind, or people. |
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| 19:40.06 | xingu | observes that the transition to pg clusters has had several amusing side-effects |
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| 19:40.29 | FFighter | xingu, what does it have to do with the issue I´m having? |
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| 19:40.49 | xingu | FFighter: psql is pg_wrapper-wrapped now. |
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| 19:41.26 | FFighter | xingu, MySQL is so simpler to setup |
| 19:41.26 | xingu | FFighter: hence goes looking to see which version of the product it needs to talk to |
| 19:41.43 | xingu | puts his earplugs back in and goes back to sleep |
| 19:42.13 | xingu | layer 8 problem, zzz |
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| 19:43.13 | FFighter | Shouldn't installing the postgresql-client-8.1 package create the /usr/bin/psql binary?? |
| 19:43.36 | xingu | # file /usr/bin/psql |
| 19:43.36 | xingu | /usr/bin/psql: symbolic link to `../share/postgresql-common/pg_wrapper' |
| 19:43.38 | FFighter | I removed it in a hope that apt would then install the correct version, but now nothing happens when I re-insstall the client package.. no psql at all |
| 19:43.56 | FFighter | xingu, ahhhhhh |
| 19:44.01 | FFighter | xingu, eureka, thanks |
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| 19:47.41 | Ali_Baba | I've this problem: |
| 19:47.43 | Ali_Baba | /tmp/ccw5mrwd.o: In function `main':gltest.cpp:(.text+0x24): undefined reference to `SDL_Init' |
| 19:47.43 | Ali_Baba | :gltest.cpp:(.text+0x33): undefined reference to `SDL_GetError' |
| 19:47.43 | Ali_Baba | :gltest.cpp:(.text+0x56): undefined reference to `SDL_Quit' |
| 19:47.43 | Ali_Baba | :gltest.cpp:(.text+0x7f): undefined reference to `SDL_SetVideoMode' |
| 19:47.43 | Ali_Baba | :gltest.cpp:(.text+0x8d): undefined reference to `SDL_GetError' |
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| 19:47.54 | Ergo^ | finally found debs for pgadmin3 1.8.x on pg's site.... |
| 19:48.53 | FFighter | hmmm.. how could I change the default´s postgres user password? |
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| 19:49.16 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 19:49.17 | Ergo^ | FFighter: |
| 19:49.25 | Ergo^ | FFighter: su postgres |
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| 19:49.49 | Ergo^ | then do psql and enter : alter role postgres with password 'pass'; |
| 19:49.57 | Ergo^ | and you are off to go |
| 19:50.48 | fas3r | how to edit rrd file :s ? |
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| 19:53.22 | Pons | hey guys. I'm running Xen 3.2.0 on a Debian Unstable system as DomU, with 2.6.18-6-xen kernel, and I can't enable framebuffer on the Dom0. Is because of some Xen incompatibility or is a problem in my setup? |
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| 19:56.04 | danand_ | Paladine - what company and for what purpose? |
| 19:56.09 | danand_ | oops |
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| 20:01.46 | Mateusz | HI |
| 20:02.15 | keith4 | "Debian Unstable system as DomU" oy |
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| 20:05.24 | Deezire | Pons: 1) don't run unstable, 2) don't run unstable 3) don't run unstable. |
| 20:05.24 | Deezire | Heh. |
| 20:05.45 | Deezire | Not much performance difference between 3.0.x and 3.2. |
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| 20:06.53 | stew | Pons: ask #debian-xen on irc.debian.org |
| 20:07.03 | FFighter | I can´t connect to my postgresql8.1 server running on Debian. The pgadmin client says it can't connect. I already edited the pg_hba.conf and postgresql.conf (listen_addresses = '*' and port) but the problem remains |
| 20:07.05 | FFighter | any hints? |
| 20:07.27 | Mateusz | Hi |
| 20:07.28 | Mateusz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:07.33 | Mateusz | Any help ? |
| 20:07.38 | FFighter | pg_admin is running on a XP machine without Firewalls enabled. I should also note the I just upgraded to 8.1, some minutes ago I was running 7.4 and connections **were working fine** |
| 20:08.17 | stew | Mateusz: use an amd64 ubuntu or an amd64 debian install cd |
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| 20:09.14 | Mateusz | stew: I have debian on hard driver, but I cant chroot because bash is 64bit |
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| 20:10.24 | lontra | ah i was changing my password for root and it looks like i must have entered it wrong cause i can't access it anymore ... is there a way to recover the root password?? |
| 20:10.43 | FFighter | any hints? |
| 20:10.48 | keith4 | lontra: boot from something else |
| 20:10.52 | keith4 | like a knoppix CD |
| 20:11.10 | lontra | keith4: ok and then? schroot into it and change passwd? |
| 20:11.10 | keith4 | FFighter: pastebin your pg_hba.conf |
| 20:11.16 | keith4 | lontra: precisely |
| 20:11.17 | FFighter | keith4, ok |
| 20:11.22 | Mateusz | stew: well I am trying to download debian live 40r0 rc1 amd64 |
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| 20:11.28 | lontra | keith4: ok ... that's what i thought might work ;) |
| 20:11.28 | keith4 | FFighter: and then go ask in #postgresql ;-) |
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| 20:12.36 | FFighter | keith4, http://www.pastebin.ca/980122 |
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| 20:13.58 | lontra | keith4: any debian installer should allow me to do it too right? |
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| 20:14.14 | keith4 | lontra: probably |
| 20:14.27 | frido | hi, has anybody working with NUT on slave machine reboot if power is back and master stay alive, but slave is in shutdown sequence ? debian/etch |
| 20:14.30 | frido | base on POWER_OFF variable in /etc/default/nut |
| 20:14.53 | phaedral | considering debian for my hand-me-down MacBookPro; comments welcome |
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| 20:15.54 | FFighter | keith4, so, anything wrong? The range of IP I would like pg to listen is 10.1.1.0 (0..255) |
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| 20:16.22 | lontra | phaedral: i'd put debian on my pillow if it were possible |
| 20:16.54 | stew | lontra: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 20:16.55 | phaedral | lontra: agreed |
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| 20:17.17 | lontra | !test |
| 20:17.17 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 20:17.25 | stew | Mateusz: yeah, the problem is that you won't be able to run 64 bit binaries with a 32 bit kernel (regardless of LD_LIBRARY_PATH) |
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| 20:17.41 | stew | &i forgot root's password |
| 20:17.42 | aptitude | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 20:17.56 | fas3r | how to edit rrd file :s ? |
| 20:18.57 | FFighter | keith4: ? |
| 20:19.30 | Mateusz | stew: hm... can I use update-initramfs to generate initrd for 64bit system, with 32bit system ? |
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| 20:21.12 | Mateusz | stew: by pointing somehow for witch kernel to generate initramfs |
| 20:22.02 | stew | Mateusz: i don't know |
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| 20:23.02 | engla | hey. I'm a newbie maintainer of a debian package (not dd or anything, I have a sponsor). How do I file a bug so that my package does not graduate to testing (yet)? |
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| 20:23.47 | engla | is the relevant bug severity important or serious? or do I use another flag |
| 20:24.33 | stew | engla: the right way to do it is to ask in #debian-release for a RM to add a britney hint. an RC bug would also work (but important isn't RC, only serious, grave, critical) |
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| 20:25.06 | engla | I could just file a bug with severity serious |
| 20:25.12 | engla | I have a real bug to file so |
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| 20:26.52 | stew | engla: just note that there are cases when a RC buggy package in unstable could move to testing (if moving the package to testing lowers the RC bug count for that pacakge in testing) |
| 20:27.05 | engla | ok. so far this package has 0 bugs |
| 20:27.14 | engla | (very boring for the maintainer [me]) :) |
| 20:27.45 | lontra | stew: thanks |
| 20:27.49 | engla | stew: thanks for the pointers, again (I got some help from you yesterday too!) |
| 20:29.11 | stew | engla: you're welcome. #415287 is the one bug i know off the top of my head which is doing the same |
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| 20:31.25 | engla | stew: well my logic was the following; I discovered the package has a bug. That bug may inconvenience some people (only some) so for them it might be better if I just delay testing graduation until I get out a new version that fixes it |
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| 20:31.30 | thunc | front |
| 20:31.42 | engla | however the new version also has lots of better features so it's not at all clear-cut |
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| 20:32.06 | Supaplex | new undiscovered bugs? ouuu for fun |
| 20:32.09 | engla | stew: so the only thing is really playing with the severity |
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| 20:38.32 | hmmhesays | can someone tell me the base C development package name in debian? |
| 20:38.37 | hmmhesays | I can't remember for the life of me |
| 20:38.44 | stew | hmmhesays: build-essential? |
| 20:38.47 | hmmhesays | yes! |
| 20:38.49 | hmmhesays | thank you |
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| 20:40.51 | engla | stew: well I tried to set severity to serious in reportbug but apparently it didn't comply |
| 20:41.34 | engla | it tricks you asking what part of the policy the bug breaks, tells you can answer unknown but then it doesnt file it as serious .) |
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| 20:42.44 | stew | engla: "echo severity $bugnum serious | mail control@bugs.debian.org" where $bugnum is the bug you files |
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| 20:44.40 | engla | I'll try that |
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| 20:46.37 | engla | I really like the debian bug tracker and its email interface |
| 20:46.50 | engla | it's really nerdy too |
| 20:46.53 | engla | :P |
| 20:47.43 | abrotman | haha .. you're a nerd! |
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| 20:48.08 | chops | engla: It's the best one I've used. I like it very much too. |
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| 20:48.36 | engla | I'll be a real nert when I can use echo .. | mail as in stew's example. I just interpreted it conceptually now and filed it with gmail.. |
| 20:49.02 | engla | the second best one is freeciv's even though it has some serious deficiencies too. but it's also mostly email based |
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| 20:49.13 | engla | *nerd |
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| 20:50.33 | chops | So I'm using rsync to copy local files around (well, sort of local, one FS is curlftpfs-backed), and it looks like it's reading the target files to compute a checksum before it writes them. That makes sense for rsync but it's a big loss for curlftpfs. Does anyone know if that's actually what rsync does, and if so how I can disable that? |
| 20:50.39 | chops | Yes, I've looked at 'man rsync' :-) |
| 20:51.09 | chops | I want it to copy files using only timestamp and size as it criteria |
| 20:51.16 | engla | *is* it possible to set it up so that `mail` uses my gmail address? |
| 20:51.30 | chops | engla: Yes, set $EMAIL and possibly configure your MTA |
| 20:51.39 | chops | engla: But setting $EMAIL is the first step |
| 20:52.32 | engla | EMAIL is already set |
| 20:52.47 | engla | however, I don't even have any `mail` command :) |
| 20:55.30 | chops | engla: What MTA do you have installed? |
| 20:56.08 | chops | engla: The most general way to get 'mail' to work is to install exim4 and configure it appropriately (though it may be simpler to configure mailx or something; different people feel differently about it) |
| 20:56.38 | Tramp | chops: yes. It computes checksums on blocks of certain sizes (don't know what the data-block size is though) |
| 20:57.35 | Tramp | chops: it's the core of its "update only parts if necessary" algorithm |
| 20:58.07 | stew | engla: mail is in the mailx package |
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| 20:58.56 | stew | chops: no rsync doesn't use checksums unless you tell it to. by default it uses modify times and sizes |
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| 21:00.12 | jberg | if im running debian stable, can i still use testing packages? |
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| 21:01.15 | stew | jberg: you should not just install the testing pacakges, you should backport them. /msg dpkg backports |
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| 21:02.41 | jberg | stew: ok thanks. i just want to install a few programs which are relatively new |
| 21:03.24 | abrotman | jberg: backports.org has some packages already setup for etch |
| 21:04.06 | jberg | abrotman: ok thanks. but is it a big chance things will break if i just use testing packages? |
| 21:04.31 | x1250 | jberg, not a big chance, but a there is a chance... |
| 21:04.38 | jberg | i see |
| 21:04.47 | abrotman | jberg: yes .. there's a big chance .. do not mix versions of debian |
| 21:04.53 | lufthanza | i was copying a file to my hd, and then my computer crashed. is there any way I can resume the copy instead of overwriting the file? |
| 21:05.09 | zo_orki | i've found on the internet, that there might be some problems with an usb-mouse and debian, so you have do configure a lot and configure some modules. Could it be the same with the touchpads of notebooks? |
| 21:05.13 | x1250 | Oh, I thought he asked for a clean testing |
| 21:05.17 | jberg | abrotman: yep ok. it's just that some of the stable packages are so old, aren't they? |
| 21:05.31 | abrotman | jberg: depends on how you describe them .. i call them 'stable' |
| 21:05.46 | jberg | hehe :) |
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| 21:06.03 | abrotman | jberg: which packages do you find to be too old? is this for a server or workstation? |
| 21:06.16 | noppe | is there a mirror with older packages? |
| 21:06.23 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 21:06.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 21:07.02 | jberg | well i have an old pc which im not using for anything, so im thinking im going to make it a backup server or whatever tomorrow. but the last time i used debian some packages were like 3 years old |
| 21:07.18 | Sero | abrotman: THANK you Soooo Much! Remember we forced an upgrade on my IDEPCI 2.2/Woody/Sarge messed up computer? Well, I was visiting the computer today, and the only thing that hadn't come up was the NIC! Now it's running 2.6.18-6 Etch ;) |
| 21:07.19 | noppe | abrotman: thank you |
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| 21:07.34 | abrotman | they should make an apt-diff or something so you can say like `apt-diff get robotfindskitten=<olderversion>` and it would get the current sources and all diffs between and apply diffs |
| 21:07.45 | abrotman | Sero: oh .. that stinks .. |
| 21:07.53 | abrotman | Sero: yes i remember |
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| 21:08.22 | abrotman | jberg: etch was released about a year ago .. |
| 21:08.30 | abrotman | jberg: the stuff shouldn't be that old .. |
| 21:08.30 | Sero | ;) it has been down a few weeks, but it wasn't dead as I expected ;) |
| 21:08.35 | stew | give or take 2 days :) |
| 21:08.39 | jberg | abrotman: yeah i suppose |
| 21:08.41 | abrotman | stew: just two days :) |
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| 21:10.04 | abrotman | stew: have you tried any of the etch+1/2 stuff? |
| 21:10.08 | engla | so I need a MTA just for "uploading" mail sending it via gmail. There must be a simpler solution just firing the /bin/mail away using their IMAP server |
| 21:10.20 | hmmhesays | yeah my ack to the 200 OK has my private ip in the contact field |
| 21:10.21 | TehUni | i'm trying to install powernowd on my amd64 system w/ a new xeon cpu, but i can't get any modules to load. any suggestions? |
| 21:10.36 | hmmhesays | er.. wrong channel |
| 21:10.36 | abrotman | hmmhesays: wrong channel ? |
| 21:10.50 | hmmhesays | indeed :D |
| 21:10.52 | Blast_Hardcheese | Sorry, What's the best way to set a static IP under debian? I tried the network administrator but it doesn't persist over restarts. |
| 21:10.55 | stew | abrotman: was something actaully released? |
| 21:10.56 | abrotman | !interfaces |
| 21:10.56 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 21:11.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | The settings are in the network administrator, but I have to run the app and click OK each time I restart |
| 21:11.12 | abrotman | stew: uhm .. a p.d.n post had something about etch-proposedupdates |
| 21:11.30 | abrotman | stew: oh .. just kernels |
| 21:11.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've been pointed at /etc/network/interfaces, |
| 21:12.04 | stew | abrotman: i'm not likely to do anything about it as long as 2.6.18 still gets updates |
| 21:12.20 | stew | abrotman: the machines i have running stable are uhh stable |
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| 21:12.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | but those settings don't persist over restarts either. |
| 21:12.41 | stew | i still have a firewall on 2.6.16 :) |
| 21:12.48 | stew | (and no, i won't tell you the ip) |
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| 21:13.30 | jberg | btw, should you do lots of configuration when you install stable? or is it relatively secure out of the box? |
| 21:13.48 | cder | how to i add andy@debian to the sudoers file? |
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| 21:14.34 | abrotman | stew: i was just wondering .. i think all the machines i have on etch are happily humming .. |
| 21:14.46 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: paste your interfaces file somewhere |
| 21:14.54 | cder | i tried adduser andy admin but got adduser command not found |
| 21:15.36 | stew | cder: 'visudo' to edit the sudoers file |
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| 21:15.48 | engla | cder: it's in /usr/sbin and probably only in root's PATH by default |
| 21:16.19 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: Alright |
| 21:17.05 | cder | stew: then add adndy admin? |
| 21:17.11 | cder | andy |
| 21:17.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: http://whattheflash.com/if.txt |
| 21:17.38 | chops | stew: Hm... 'echo hello > one; echo hello > two; strace -f rsync one two' does output the call: open("two", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE <unfinished ...> |
| 21:17.42 | Blast_Hardcheese | I just tried sudo ifdown -a; sudo ifup -a |
| 21:17.44 | abrotman | that seems pretty normal |
| 21:17.51 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 21:17.53 | zrin | i have an etch box with bpo kernel 2.6.22 and LVM over raid5 on 6 SATA HDDs. after some time (and load) the write performance of the raid5 array drops to 5-8 MB/s. after reboot it was back to normal (~60 MB/s) and now suddenly again ~6 MB/s. what could be the cause? |
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| 21:18.02 | chops | stew: Then after it reads the file it makes a new temp file and moves it over 'two'... I'm not sure why it does that :-/ |
| 21:18.02 | Blast_Hardcheese | ifup failed the first time with SIOCSIFADDR: File exists |
| 21:18.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | I tried it again and it worked |
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| 21:18.26 | stew | cder: there is no need to add the user to any group, if that is what you are asking |
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| 21:19.03 | cder | stew: so what to edit? |
| 21:19.07 | stew | chops: so that when people open the file, they see a complete file, not one that rsync is in the middle of writing |
| 21:19.09 | chops | zrin: Did you make the array with the stride size set correctly? |
| 21:19.15 | stew | chops: "visudo" to edit the sudoers file |
| 21:19.18 | chops | stew: Well, but the checksums should have matched |
| 21:19.26 | chops | stew: Not me for sudo, cder |
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| 21:19.42 | stew | cder: "visudo" is the command you should use to edit the sudoers file |
| 21:19.43 | chops | stew: I guess maybe that's its way of syncing up the timestamps and permissions and whatnot |
| 21:19.56 | zrin | chops: hmm, I created it with the installer while installing, didn't check it |
| 21:20.27 | stew | chops: it wouldn't have looked at checksums at all unless you told it to. its copying the file becuase either the timestamps or the file size were a mismatch |
| 21:20.29 | zrin | chops: please give me a hint where to look for the sizes |
| 21:20.33 | chops | zrin: You might be getting good performance while you happen to be writing lined up with your RAID stripes, and then it might go to hell when you start needing to read and write simultaneously |
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| 21:20.56 | chops | zrin: tune2fs -l |
| 21:21.16 | cder | stew: as root or as andy user |
| 21:21.25 | stew | cder: only root has the permsission to edit sudoers |
| 21:21.54 | zrin | chops: does LVM have any effect on it? |
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| 21:22.35 | chops | zrin: It might |
| 21:22.51 | chops | zrin: One thing that helped a lot for my RAID5 arrays, BTW, was to use the anticipatory scheduler |
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| 21:22.58 | zrin | chops: the performance drop happend after 2-3 days of heavy usage |
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| 21:23.46 | zrin | chops: kernel scheduler? what does the debian kernel use? |
| 21:24.32 | cder | stew;enter andy ALL=(ALL) ALL to have sudoers privligages? |
| 21:24.46 | chops | zrin: RAID5 has absymal performance when simultaneously reading and writing |
| 21:25.06 | chops | zrin: Only reading or only writing (which means you have to write big or stripe-aligned blocks) does much better |
| 21:25.16 | cder | stew: or is it andy ADMIN=(ADMIN) admin |
| 21:25.23 | chops | zrin: It doesn't alter the kernel's upstream default, cfq |
| 21:25.28 | chops | zrin: (I think) |
| 21:25.35 | stew | cder: man 5 sudoers |
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| 21:25.47 | ereslibre | hi all |
| 21:25.54 | ereslibre | does grub-efi package work ? |
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| 21:26.31 | chops | zrin: The fact that the performance dropped after 2-3 days heavy usage doesn't necessarily mean that the heavy usage was what broke it |
| 21:26.56 | zrin | chops: I'm still wondering why would performance drop after 2-3 days, where the load is mostly the same (3-4 virtual machines, video processing) |
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| 21:27.12 | zrin | chops: right :/ |
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| 21:28.58 | zrin | hdparm -z /dev/sda: BLKRRPART failed: Device or resource busy - could that have something to do with the performance drop? |
| 21:29.16 | chops | zrin: That could do it :-) |
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| 21:29.23 | chops | zrin: Is it software or hardware RAID? |
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| 21:29.35 | zrin | chops: software |
| 21:29.40 | chops | zrin: Is /dev/sda the whole RAID array, or a component of /dev/md0? |
| 21:29.42 | chops | Ah, yes |
| 21:29.53 | zrin | chops: component |
| 21:29.54 | chops | zrin: So if you check /proc/mdstat, you'll probably see that it's running in degraded mode |
| 21:30.03 | chops | zrin: Which is not that fastest (or the safest) |
| 21:30.39 | zrin | chops: md1 : active raid5 sda3[0] sdf3[5] sde3[4] sdd3[3] sdc3[2] sdb3[1] 3652336960 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [6/6] [UUUUUU] |
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| 21:30.47 | chops | zrin: Strange |
| 21:30.53 | chops | zrin: Is /dev/sda still having problems? |
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| 21:31.09 | zrin | chops: how can I check if it is having problems? |
| 21:31.11 | chops | zrin: Are there messages in the log? I don't actually know what BLKRRPART does... |
| 21:31.14 | chops | zrin: dmesg |
| 21:31.15 | abrotman | maybe they're just tired and want a nap |
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| 21:32.09 | chops | is sad that getting help with rsync turned into helping with RAID :-) |
| 21:32.12 | zrin | chops: nothing useful in dmesg nor in syslog |
| 21:32.23 | chops | zrin: Hm |
| 21:32.39 | zrin | chops: perhaps I can help you with rsync |
| 21:32.50 | chops | zrin: This may be a fool's errand while the array is under load, but does hdparm test sda as any slower (for read) than the other disks? |
| 21:32.58 | zrin | Apr 10 23:04:21 dlman smartd[3999]: Device: /dev/sda, SMART Usage Attribute: 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered changed from 66 to 68 |
| 21:33.37 | zrin | chops: no, hdparm gives good read performance for all disks |
| 21:34.22 | cder | stew: the word admin does appear in the man file so it will have to be all |
| 21:34.22 | chops | zrin: And the RAID performance is still slow right now? Does iostat have anything interesting to say about the state of the disk? |
| 21:34.46 | zrin | chops: BLKRRPART re-reads the partition table |
| 21:35.07 | zrin | chops: I was creating a new partition to test write performance |
| 21:35.14 | LiNuX_SP4 | hi, im using a tc script to limit bandwith, all is OK, but, my script make traffic limit to all subnet, im interested in just traffic limit to so "small pool" of ip, like 192.168.0.100 to 192.168.0.150, how i can do a good "match" ?? |
| 21:35.22 | LiNuX_SP4 | my script have this ass last line |
| 21:35.24 | LiNuX_SP4 | tc filter add dev eth2 parent 1: protocol ip prio 1 u32 match ip dst 192.168.0.0/24 flowid 1:40 |
| 21:35.35 | chops | zrin: Did that happen about the same time as the slowness? |
| 21:35.38 | chops | zrin: Or after? |
| 21:35.49 | LiNuX_SP4 | my script limit from 192.168.0.1 up to 192.168.0.254 |
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| 21:36.04 | LiNuX_SP4 | i want limit just 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.50 |
| 21:36.18 | LiNuX_SP4 | how i can modifi "match" ? |
| 21:36.30 | zrin | chops: after I noticed the performance drop, I tried to investigate it - I created a test partition, but it is too small to make a significant test case |
| 21:36.47 | zrin | chops: now it happend for the second time |
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| 21:37.12 | LiNuX_SP4 | someone can helpme? |
| 21:37.12 | zrin | chops: what was your rsync question? |
| 21:37.17 | zinx | LiNuX_SP4: you have it as 0 to 255 currently |
| 21:37.30 | zinx | LiNuX_SP4: 1 to 50 is not trivial; 0 to 63 would be much easier |
| 21:37.40 | zinx | (or, rather, it's trivial but will require multiple matches) |
| 21:37.45 | LiNuX_SP4 | zinx |
| 21:37.47 | LiNuX_SP4 | that is OK |
| 21:37.47 | chops | zrin: Strange... I'm not sure what to tell you other than to watch iostat and see if there's anything amiss-looking there |
| 21:38.00 | LiNuX_SP4 | how i can do that? |
| 21:38.04 | zinx | LiNuX_SP4: for 0 to 63, just use 192.168.0.0/26 instead of 192.168.0.0/24 |
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| 21:38.16 | chops | zinx: My favorite is: iostat -m -x -d 10 |
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| 21:38.21 | LiNuX_SP4 | what mean /26 ?? |
| 21:38.22 | LiNuX_SP4 | netmask? |
| 21:38.31 | zinx | LiNuX_SP4: it's the number of bits that are static in the network |
| 21:38.41 | chops | zrin: My rsync question was how to make rsync stop reading the target files (when copying locally) and computing a checksum, and just trust the size and mtime comparison |
| 21:38.47 | zinx | LiNuX_SP4: i am not going to explain it further than that - check the internet if you need to know in more detail |
| 21:38.56 | LiNuX_SP4 | its ok |
| 21:39.09 | LiNuX_SP4 | if i want limit from 1 to 128 ? |
| 21:39.10 | zrin | chops: do not include the -c option (?) |
| 21:39.18 | LiNuX_SP4 | what ois /2x ?? |
| 21:39.42 | romano2k | hi everyone! i'm having a problem on my network behind my debian gateway, i can't connect to any SIP VoIP provider |
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| 21:39.51 | amphi | LiNuX_SP4: install netmask |
| 21:39.55 | romano2k | i checked, my accounts are working from another internet connection |
| 21:40.01 | chops | zrin: Doesn't work. Check 'echo hello > one; echo hello > two; strace -f rsync -u one two', and search the output for 'two' and note that it's opening two read-only and reading it. |
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| 21:40.43 | LiNuX_SP4 | zinx, if i want limit from 192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.128 and "from" 192.168.0.200 to 192.168.0.254, what i can write? |
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| 21:41.33 | zrin | chops: it is opening the target file, but perhaps it is not performing the checksum |
| 21:42.09 | chops | zrin: Well, it's reading the file. That's the part that's causing problems for me. I just want it to overwrite the file if the timestamp and size make it seem necessary. |
| 21:42.13 | zrin | chops: try to set same size and time on two files with different contents |
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| 21:42.41 | zrin | chops: then check if it is really comparing contents |
| 21:43.03 | rtcg | Where does a debian neophyte go to find/get kernel headers for 2.6.8-i386? All I can come up with is 2.6.18. Google hasn't been forthcoming with revealing a central browseable repository to that someone who doesn't know the exact name of what they are looking for can find 'it'. |
| 21:43.13 | stew | LiNuX_SP4: you would have to split that up into many different networks, 192.168.0.1/32, 192.168.0.2/31, 192.168.0.4/30, etc... |
| 21:43.21 | stew | LiNuX_SP4: isntall ipcalc, and "ipcalc 192.168.0.1-192.168.0.128" |
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| 21:43.57 | stew | rtcg: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 21:43.58 | chops | rtcg: What version of Debian? Sarge, I assume? |
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| 21:44.22 | halflife08 | hello folks, unfortunately i have no cd's at the moment to burn an image. all i have is a knoppix live cd. is it possible to install debian on a system with the knoppix live cd? |
| 21:44.26 | LiNuX_SP4 | stew, :( |
| 21:44.31 | LiNuX_SP4 | i cant understand :( |
| 21:44.31 | dondelelcaro | rtcg: if you're still running sarge, you really should upgrade |
| 21:44.45 | rtcg | 3.1 |
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| 21:44.53 | rtcg | kernel 2.6.8 |
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| 21:44.54 | dondelelcaro | yeah, that's sarge. |
| 21:45.12 | stew | rtcg: is there some reason you haven't yet updated to the current version of debian (released over a year ago)? |
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| 21:45.36 | Monobi | I'm setting up my boxen as a shell server, however I want to block access to IRC connections. How do I do this? |
| 21:45.39 | zrin | chops: another effect of the performance drop is massive CPU wait-time |
| 21:45.43 | stew | LiNuX_SP4: look up 'subnet' on wikipedia or "cidr notation" |
| 21:45.54 | zrin | chops: it is a 2P opteron system (NUMA) |
| 21:46.01 | toki | Monobi: you can block outgoing irc port |
| 21:46.10 | Monobi | How so? |
| 21:46.14 | toki | iptables |
| 21:46.21 | zrin | chops: everything is waiting for I/O |
| 21:46.25 | Monobi | iptables? |
| 21:46.34 | toki | yeah |
| 21:46.37 | Monobi | Ok |
| 21:46.41 | Monobi | Not too hard, is it? |
| 21:46.59 | chops | rtcg: If you want to deal with this before upgrading to sarge, it should be straightforward (if you have sarge repos configured in /etc/apt/sources.list) to 'apt-get install linux-headers-2.6-386' (or whatever) |
| 21:47.02 | toki | well anyone can be an expert with google :) |
| 21:47.09 | chops | rtcg: *before upgrading to etch |
| 21:47.11 | Monobi | hm, I see |
| 21:47.19 | chops | zrin: Have you checked iostate? |
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| 21:47.21 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 21:47.21 | dpkg | [iptables] the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 21:47.22 | chops | zrin: iostat |
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| 21:47.37 | zrin | chops: checking |
| 21:47.37 | Monobi | toki, any other way to do it? |
| 21:47.40 | chops | zrin: That'll tell you if, for example, it's a single disk that is causing all the blocking I/O for whatever reason |
| 21:47.43 | rtcg | LiNuX_SP4: You have a conceptual issue with IP subnetting. Visit http://tinyurl.com/46xvtq and read up. |
| 21:47.43 | Monobi | Any apps, or something? |
| 21:47.56 | LiNuX_SP4 | rtcg, thanks |
| 21:48.13 | chops | zrin: And if you can get it back into the state where it's not slow as hell (e.g. by rebooting), you can compare iostat from that state and see if it's just receiving a ton more I/O in the slow state, and than try to track down what the I/O is coming from. |
| 21:48.45 | rtcg | chops: Thanks. This isn't my box..so I won't be upgrading it just yet.... I'll work with apt-get though. thanks for the clue |
| 21:48.52 | chops | rtcg: np |
| 21:48.55 | toki | well theres some application that denies outbound base on the process name |
| 21:48.58 | zrin | chops: thank you, I'll try that |
| 21:49.03 | chops | rtcg: sarge is in need of an upgrade, though. It's not getting security updates anymore. |
| 21:49.06 | chops | zrin: np |
| 21:49.48 | rtcg | stew: When my slackware boxes have uptimes greater than 3 years.... it's hard to argue upgrade. This box isn't really mine. I'm just trying to compile something that needs header files. |
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| 21:50.13 | toki | Monobi: theres some application that denies outbound base on the process name, such as apf |
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| 21:50.37 | stew | rtcg: what does "uname -r" say |
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| 21:51.02 | stew | rtcg: if you have boxes with a 3 year uptime and they are running linux, they are most likely remotely vulnerable |
| 21:51.04 | chops | rtcg: Uptime greater than 3 years means your box is in serious need of kernel security upgrades |
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| 21:51.46 | toki | damn 3 years of uptime never seen one of them |
| 21:52.15 | chops | rtcg: The days of people with huge Linux uptimes being proud vanguards of a new revolution in operating system stability have been replaced by the days of people with huge Linux uptimes being 0wned by any idiot with the sense to download "Johnny's first cracking tools" and run it |
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| 21:53.38 | rtcg | the gr_security patch and a very tight firewall with limited services have proven VERY effective. |
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| 21:54.32 | rtcg | heck the thing is so old now (5 years?) that modern script kiddies would be crying for lack of support. (which is why I will reluctantly upgrade it later this year. :) |
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| 21:55.10 | Decepticon | how can i know if a certain user can the command lsof to see what files are open (i have chmodded my files 600 and want no one to know of their existence via lame methods like looking in top, or using locate or find or even ps aux by looking at the command arguments or via lsof [are there more stupid methods like this?]) |
| 21:55.30 | rtcg | on downside to not rebooting a server for three years...is when the rolling blackouts finally take it out..there are 'uh-hmm... dynamic changes' that may or may not be correctly added into the startup files. :D |
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| 21:56.48 | chops | rtcg: Also your hardware can fail in similar ways. Hard disks are notorious for losing the ability to spin themselves up long before they lose the ability to keep themselves spinning... and right after a blackout when all sorts of things are going on is a bad time to find out that one or more disks in one or more servers will never work again |
| 21:56.57 | rtcg | stew: uname -r = 2.6.8.2-386 |
| 21:56.58 | chops | rtcg: To say nothing of fsck-time issues... |
| 21:57.02 | chops | rtcg: Ultimately it's up to you |
| 21:57.22 | halflife08 | Decepticon: /proc/ ;) |
| 21:57.24 | rtcg | reiserfs doesn't have fsck time issues. but then reiser is bad anyway... |
| 21:57.39 | lunk | murderFS is better |
| 21:57.42 | Decepticon | halflife08 what about /proc/ ? |
| 21:57.48 | rtcg | lunk: FUNNY! |
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| 21:58.16 | halflife08 | Decepticon: /proc/processid/* has info on processes cmd line arg etc |
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| 21:58.50 | halflife08 | Decepticon:are you trying to hide from root as well ? |
| 21:58.55 | Decepticon | i am root |
| 21:59.05 | Decepticon | i want other users to not be able to see my stuff |
| 21:59.14 | rtcg | ok.. I'm TRYING to speed learn to interpret "if you have sarge repos configured in /etc/apt/sources.list" ...but Google is being stingy today (either that or I'm not initiated on the correct search terms to use). Can I be spoon fed a bit[tm]? |
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| 21:59.18 | Decepticon | thought this would be easy in linux |
| 21:59.27 | Decepticon | apparently theres many ways i can be exposed :/ |
| 21:59.33 | chops | !tell rtcg about sources.list |
| 21:59.49 | Decepticon | not that im doign anything wrong, i'd rather keep my privacy |
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| 22:00.23 | themill | Decepticon: rename the files in your pr0n collection. man 1 rename |
| 22:00.28 | Supaplex | Decepticon: chmod og= /root ? |
| 22:00.50 | Supaplex | Decepticon: as for /proc security, you'll need something like grsec |
| 22:00.59 | Decepticon | themill, its not that, i want to be able to hide the fact when i log in/ log out, and from where and what im doing, i want to be an invisible user |
| 22:01.23 | themill | Decepticon: that's normally called a rootkit |
| 22:01.26 | Decepticon | theres an easy solution to it, to delete the other users, but i'd rather not do that |
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| 22:01.36 | themill | Decepticon: Ask sony if you can borrow theirs. |
| 22:01.46 | Decepticon | it is my machine, themill |
| 22:01.52 | zrin | chops: I've checked iostat, write performance of the array is about 8 MB/s, each of the 6 HDDs gets about 1.2 MB/s, CPU iowait time goes to 70%; I checked it with dd if=/dev/zero of=test.dat, while other tasks are stopped |
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| 22:02.07 | Decepticon | how much bigger of a rootkit can you get than with root access anyway |
| 22:02.12 | stew | rtcg: that kernel was removed from debian sometime in 2005 (it was replaced by -3 for security reasons). we'd recommend upgrading to etch |
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| 22:02.17 | stew | rtcg: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 22:02.52 | Decepticon | Supaplex may i ask what "chmod og= /root" would do |
| 22:02.58 | zrin | chops: also wait times are about the same for all HDDs |
| 22:03.37 | Decepticon | Supaplex also what package is grsec in |
| 22:03.48 | zrin | ... now I got 14.2 MB/s average |
| 22:03.52 | stew | Decepticon: apt-cache search grsec |
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| 22:04.01 | Decepticon | stew, i get a bunch of hits |
| 22:04.11 | rtcg | stew: but what *IF* a user wants you to load the gun, cock it, hand it to him, and help him point it at his feet?? THEN can he download an old kernel??? |
| 22:04.43 | dweerf | stew: admin group does not exist how to add please |
| 22:04.48 | Supaplex | Decepticon: it's possible a bunch of packages provide what you're looking for. use aptitude show <package> to learn more about it. man chmod for its usage |
| 22:04.52 | stew | rtcg: not from debian, perhaps from sdn, /msg dpkg sdn |
| 22:04.53 | Supaplex | !tell Decepticon -about grounding |
| 22:05.07 | stew | Decepticon: it would be a "linux-patch..." |
| 22:05.25 | stew | dweerf: you would add a group with "groupadd" |
| 22:05.54 | dweerf | as root i expect |
| 22:06.10 | lunaphyte__ | if i have an older install of testing, not updated in some time, what is the best method to use to get back up to date with testing? |
| 22:06.56 | stew | lunaphyte__: if is old enough that it is older than stable, then first upgrade to stable, then change sources back to testing. we'd recommend using aptitude and not apt-get for this |
| 22:07.30 | themill | lunaphyte__: you'll probably need "dist-upgrade" rather than just "upgrade" too. |
| 22:07.46 | lunaphyte__ | yeah, it's older than stable - would it be smart to do a cd install/upgrade of stable? |
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| 22:08.05 | Lagbolt | grounding? |
| 22:08.22 | Lagbolt | !tell Lagbolt -about grounding |
| 22:08.23 | Lagbolt | :-p |
| 22:08.42 | jelly-home | !tell Lagbolt -about selftell |
| 22:09.33 | lunaphyte__ | i've been reading this : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html - it sounds like it applies pretty well to my circumstances. |
| 22:09.35 | dweerf | stew: i just ades andy to the admin group but still not allowed to use sudo |
| 22:09.41 | dweerf | andy |
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| 22:10.01 | dweerf | added |
| 22:10.13 | zrin | please - any hint about how ti investigate slow sw-raid5 write performance (<20 MB/s) while the read performance is >170 MB/s, and the drop in performance happens suddenly (?) after 2-3 days uptime, and goes away after reboot? |
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| 22:10.41 | stew | dweerf: what line did you add to sudoers? |
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| 22:10.49 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 22:11.00 | dweerf | i used adduser andy admin so why cant andy use sudo |
| 22:11.04 | stew | dweerf: (note that norally, one doesn't need to be in any particular group to use sudo unless you specifically configure sudo that way) |
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| 22:11.21 | HSorgYves | does anybody suggest a howto to use 2 dns servers with notifications? |
| 22:11.30 | stew | dweerf: did you configure sudo to allow users in the admin group? |
| 22:11.34 | Lagbolt | zrin, it happens repeatedly? |
| 22:11.45 | zrin | Lagbolt: yes, now for the second time |
| 22:12.00 | Lagbolt | zrin, can you pastebin /proc/mdstat |
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| 22:12.13 | dweerf | stew: there was no admin group i have just aded it with groupadd |
| 22:12.19 | dweerf | added |
| 22:12.37 | zrin | Lagbolt: md1 : active raid5 sda3[0] sdf3[5] sde3[4] sdd3[3] sdc3[2] sdb3[1] 3652336960 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [6/6] [UUUUUU] |
| 22:12.38 | Lagbolt | zrin, is it running slow now? |
| 22:12.45 | stew | dweerf: yes, i understand that part. what did you put into the sudoers file? |
| 22:12.51 | zrin | Lagbolt: yes |
| 22:13.20 | zrin | Lagbolt: reading 172 MB/s, writing up to 20 MB/s |
| 22:13.34 | dweerf | stew: ok i see your point what i think i should put in is admin ALL=(all) all |
| 22:13.41 | zrin | Lagbolt: write speed varies from 5 MB/s to 20 MB/s |
| 22:13.42 | Lagbolt | what is write after a reboot?, nothing in any of your logs about the device? |
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| 22:14.00 | zrin | Lagbolt: after reboot it is about 50-60 MB/s, normal for raid5 |
| 22:14.09 | stew | dweerf: that would mean the user named admin, not the group named admin, use "%admin" if you mean the group named admin |
| 22:14.13 | zicho | Is there anyway to print the number of subdirectories in a directory? |
| 22:14.49 | zrin | Lagbolt: i have SMART reports about the temperature (~ 40°C) and "Hardware ECC Recovered" changes |
| 22:14.54 | Lagbolt | zrin, that is quite strange. how are you determing the speed? |
| 22:15.28 | stew | zicho: if you look at 'stat dirname' the number of links shoudl be the number of subdirs. or you can run "ls -d /*/ | wc -l" perhaps |
| 22:15.32 | zrin | Lagbolt: dd if=/dev/zero of=test.dat bs=1M count=4K 4294967296 bytes (4.3 GB) copied, 188.963 seconds, 22.7 MB/s |
| 22:15.51 | zrin | Lagbolt: while other tasks are stopped, i.e. no other disk I/O |
| 22:16.06 | stew | zicho: err, that should be "ls -d dirname/*/ | wc -l" |
| 22:16.40 | stew | zicho: but that one is likely to not be posix compliant, the first one is definately filesystem dependent |
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| 22:17.22 | zrin | Lagbolt: I've checked iostat and found nothing significant - i.e. all 6 HDDs had approx. the same values |
| 22:17.26 | mooze | hi all - i am running debian etch |
| 22:17.38 | mooze | and it seems hotplug is not working |
| 22:17.40 | Lagbolt | zrin, not sure, that be strange indeed. |
| 22:17.42 | zrin | Lagbolt: while it is happening, the iowait CPU time is very high |
| 22:18.00 | zicho | stew, it worked fine. thx! |
| 22:18.06 | zrin | Lagbolt: i.e. everything is waiting for (disk) i/o |
| 22:18.27 | mooze | i just connected an external hdd and well - except for the wire running between the eclosure and my computer - there is no sign that its connected |
| 22:18.54 | Lagbolt | zrin, using mdadm? |
| 22:18.58 | zrin | Lagbolt: yes |
| 22:19.01 | dweerf | stew: ok that worked but when as user andy i typed sudo apt-get update it did not even ask for the password |
| 22:19.26 | zrin | Lagbolt: but it is not checking the array ... |
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| 22:19.43 | Lagbolt | zrin, have you checked to see if maybe others had the same issue? maybe a bugin your version? |
| 22:19.49 | halflife08 | Decepticon: |
| 22:20.31 | zrin | Lagbolt: that would be in kernel bug tracker? |
| 22:20.45 | Lagbolt | oh not sure, i would think so |
| 22:20.50 | Decepticon | yes halflife08 |
| 22:20.51 | themill | mooze: where have you looked? |
| 22:20.53 | dweerf | stew: i think that may mean thst andy has not only sudoers privalges but root also not sure |
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| 22:21.09 | zrin | Lagbolt: I tries several google searches but without luck |
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| 22:21.38 | stew | dweerf: that's waht sudo does (unless you specify RUNAS), it gives root privileges |
| 22:21.48 | halflife08 | hello folks can some one please help me with this debootstrap error . http://rafb.net/p/o7d3Se47.html. i am boot strapping from a knoppix 5.1 live cd |
| 22:21.48 | stew | dweerf: did it EVER ask andy for a password? or never? |
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| 22:22.05 | Lagbolt | zrin, what version of mdadm do you have? |
| 22:22.08 | Decepticon | halflife08 did you higlight me? |
| 22:22.09 | halflife08 | Decepticon: notthing, it was an accident |
| 22:22.12 | Decepticon | ah ok |
| 22:23.09 | lunaphyte_ | i'm getting a couple of messages when i do aptitude update - "W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs:" - in preparation for updating an older testing system to stable. is this something i should fix before continuing? |
| 22:23.22 | zrin | Lagbolt: one mor symptom was hdparm -z /dev/sda: BLKRRPART failed: Device or resource busy - I was trying to re-read the partition table to get a partition for testing |
| 22:23.36 | Lagbolt | zrin did you see this? http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/linux-raid@vger.kernel.org/8686425.html |
| 22:23.43 | zrin | Lagbolt: mdadm - v2.6.2 - 21st May 2007 |
| 22:24.35 | Lagbolt | zrin, i get same error with hdparm on my raid |
| 22:24.48 | zrin | Lagbolt: than you ... reading |
| 22:24.58 | mooze | themill: well i checked under the /dev |
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| 22:25.13 | mooze | and its only listing my primary hdd |
| 22:25.29 | Lagbolt | my raid is about 45MB/s and is version 2.5.6 mdadm |
| 22:25.31 | themill | mooze: was there anything in /var/log/* about it being plugged in? |
| 22:26.58 | Decepticon | Supaplex, was the dpkg telling me about grounding in reference to me asking about what chmod og= /root does ? |
| 22:27.02 | zrin | Lagbolt: hmm, there is no way I can store away 1T and re-create the array :( |
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| 22:27.07 | mooze | themill: i didn't notice anything in the syslog |
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| 22:28.17 | Supaplex | Decepticon: yes |
| 22:28.22 | Supaplex | JoshH: hello :) |
| 22:28.23 | Lagbolt | zrin, that is a drag |
| 22:28.31 | JoshH | yo |
| 22:28.32 | Decepticon | Supaplex isnt it just easier for me to restrict other users' access to lsof |
| 22:29.07 | Decepticon | and chmod /proc/process-id/ to be unreadable to the other users (or put them in a group unable to read it) |
| 22:29.11 | Lagbolt | wonder what mine is set at |
| 22:29.19 | Supaplex | Decepticon: you could, but it won't stop them from installing it on their own if they know how. users won't be able to see files opened by other users |
| 22:29.51 | Decepticon | i've installed slocate, to compensate for being able to find files via locate, and it works afaik |
| 22:29.56 | Supaplex | Decepticon: I don't expect chmod in /proc to do anything. |
| 22:30.27 | DexterF | git in debian != git? |
| 22:30.48 | Decepticon | Supaplex, it seems like getting grsec via kernel-patch-grsecurity2 will require a kernel upgrade (not sure if i am ready for it?) |
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| 22:32.29 | andylockran | hi guys. just moved over from gentoo/ubuntu to debian today |
| 22:33.04 | Supaplex | Decepticon: not an upgrade per se, but a kernel recompile |
| 22:33.11 | Lagbolt | zrin, was your raid even created with a bitmap? |
| 22:33.13 | themill | DexterF: it's git-core |
| 22:33.45 | DexterF | themill: just been told so, but thanks. |
| 22:34.02 | zrin | Lagbolt: I don't know, I created it with teh installer while installing, 6 HDDs -> raid5 -> LVM -> file systems |
| 22:34.18 | DexterF | how can I see the content of a package I haven't installed? package browser? |
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| 22:34.31 | Supaplex | DexterF: apt-file |
| 22:34.33 | halflife08 | DexterF: packages.debian.org |
| 22:34.37 | Decepticon | Supaplex so what are my steps in general terms to achieve what i want? get kernel-patch-grsecurity2 and its required packages via apt-get... and then? |
| 22:34.50 | Supaplex | !tell Decepticon -about kp |
| 22:34.54 | agnitio | has anyone else experienced problems with digikam in etch? For some reason it does not show all pictures in my albums |
| 22:35.08 | agnitio | if I look with konqueror however, they are all there |
| 22:35.20 | Lagbolt | zrin, prob not. looks like it should show up in mdstat |
| 22:35.26 | DexterF | zrin: I recently moved my raid5 from slack to deb, what's your issue? |
| 22:35.33 | Lagbolt | zrin, mdadm -X /dev/raiddevice |
| 22:35.41 | Lagbolt | zrin, that will show it if you do |
| 22:35.51 | zrin | DexterF: slow sw-raid5 write performance (<20 MB/s) while the read performance is >170 MB/s, and the drop in performance happens suddenly (?) after 2-3 days uptime, and goes away after reboot? |
| 22:36.32 | themill | agnitio: there are lots of problems with digikam in etch, to the point where I am using a version from lenny/snapshots with some careful pinning to prevent kde from imploding. |
| 22:36.59 | Decepticon | Supaplex so first i need to get the packages, then i need to compile my kernel over? (and read associated manpages on how to do so in context of grsec) and then im done? |
| 22:37.12 | agnitio | themill: ouch, that sounds painful, maybe I should just upgrade to lenny, although I can't afford the risk right now in case something goes wrong |
| 22:37.19 | zrin | mdadm -X /dev/md1 : Magic : 00000000 mdadm: invalid bitmap magic 0x0, the bitmap file appears to be corrupted |
| 22:37.42 | zrin | Lagbolt: no bitmap, it seems |
| 22:38.43 | Lagbolt | zrin, not sure. i will keep reading |
| 22:39.27 | DexterF | zrin: 6 drives? interface type and controller? |
| 22:39.29 | Supaplex | Decepticon: i'd read the readmes in the gresec patch package, and either the kernel.org sources (somewhat eaiser), or (I forget how) grab the kernel package used in your kernel and go from there. |
| 22:39.39 | zrin | DexterF: SATA, software raid5 |
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| 22:39.50 | zrin | DexterF: nvidia something |
| 22:40.00 | DexterF | zrin: connected to the computer how? controller card, onbaord sata ports..? |
| 22:40.05 | zrin | DexterF: Tyan 2P opteron board |
| 22:40.19 | zrin | DexterF: 6 onboard SATA ports |
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| 22:40.58 | DexterF | zrin: happent o know the chipset and how it is connected? |
| 22:41.11 | zrin | DexterF: just a moment |
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| 22:43.00 | mooze | i have a pcie card through which i wish to connect my external hdd |
| 22:43.09 | mooze | problem is its not getting detected.... |
| 22:43.22 | mooze | i am running debian etch - is there any diagnostic i can run? |
| 22:43.32 | zrin | DexterF: Tyan S2927, nvidia NFP3600, http://www.tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=175 |
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| 22:44.26 | DexterF | sli in a server board...? well, whatever. |
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| 22:44.48 | DexterF | mooze: lspci show the controller? disks in /dev/disk there? |
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| 22:45.59 | DexterF | zrin: well question is if that NFP3600 connects the sata part via pci or pcie. if it's pci then your write perf is perfectly alright, that raid5 code isn't too hot for one and writing to 6 drives at once on pci is teh bottleneck |
| 22:46.07 | DexterF | but I'm not sure about the pci thing |
| 22:46.17 | zrin | DexterF: yes ... with onboard VGA as well ... as I wrote, the problem goes away after reboot and comes again later :/ ... sth. like "controller or disk lockup" |
| 22:46.37 | DexterF | what's the write perf after a reboot? |
| 22:46.44 | zrin | DexterF: 50-60 MB/s |
| 22:47.01 | zrin | DexterF: and when the problem occurs down to 6-8 MB/s |
| 22:47.07 | DexterF | not bad for softraid 5... looks like the satas there are pcie attached |
| 22:47.25 | DexterF | zrin: talked to the people on the raid list? |
| 22:47.39 | zrin | DexterF: not yet ... kernel list? |
| 22:47.46 | DexterF | how much ram in that box? |
| 22:47.49 | mooze | DexterF: could not find it in /dev |
| 22:48.07 | zrin | DexterF: 2 GiB each CPU |
| 22:48.34 | DexterF | zrin: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org. lots of the devs there, incl. neil brown from suse |
| 22:48.45 | zrin | DexterF: thank you |
| 22:49.11 | DexterF | not for that |
| 22:49.25 | DexterF | mooze: well... running on etch? what kind of controller? |
| 22:49.50 | mooze | DexterF: kind of controller? i am sorry i dont understand |
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| 22:50.03 | DexterF | zrin: btw, what kind of trange board is that? for graphics workstations? |
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| 22:50.20 | _d4vid | hi all i need ur help |
| 22:50.34 | DexterF | mooze: well, you said the disks are on a pcie controller card. brand, chipset, model or so. what does lspci tell about it? |
| 22:50.52 | zrin | DexterF: I chose it for 6 SATA ports and 2 CPUs, the server is running 4 VMs and processing video content |
| 22:51.23 | DexterF | _d4vid: we can't read your thought, you'll have to tell us about it |
| 22:51.30 | _d4vid | my (amd64 system) problem is use java on iceweasel how? or any another web browser |
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| 22:51.43 | zrin | DexterF: I need alot of storage, the speed is not that important, but at 6 MB/s it is blocking the whole system and the CPUs are 80% in iowait |
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| 22:51.57 | DexterF | zrin: so one of the PEG slots is actually unused? |
| 22:52.25 | mooze | DexterF: nothing |
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| 22:52.34 | _d4vid | kannst auf deutsch |
| 22:52.50 | mooze | DexterF: when I do lspci - i see the pci bridge there but not the hdd controller |
| 22:53.25 | DexterF | mooze: that's why I ask for the controller type or model. |
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| 22:53.48 | zrin | DexterF: i have 2 x opteron 2214 on that board |
| 22:54.30 | Lagbolt | _d4vid, i believe there is a wrapper to get that to work on amd64 |
| 22:54.32 | DexterF | zrin: well.... if you can spare the cash I'd seriously suggest getting a amcc/3ware raid controller and plug it into one of the slots. |
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| 22:54.56 | mooze | DexterF: its a rosewill rc-605 card i got from newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839200006 |
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| 22:55.16 | _d4vid | i dont like any chroot methods :( |
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| 22:55.32 | Lagbolt | _d4vid, do you need a chroot for nspluginwrapper? |
| 22:55.36 | zrin | DexterF: I was thinking about that, but after testing the sw-raid with onboard SATA I was more than pleased ... until now |
| 22:55.37 | _d4vid | nope |
| 22:55.41 | _d4vid | for java |
| 22:55.44 | Lagbolt | that doesnt work with java? |
| 22:55.54 | _d4vid | how to install it? |
| 22:56.02 | zrin | DexterF: I think it is not a design problem ... it's rather a bug somewhere |
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| 22:56.51 | DexterF | mooze: hmm.. express card... pretty new... most likely the kernel doesn't support it yet. best shot would be a .22 kernel from the backports series and see if that happen to recognize it. |
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| 22:57.23 | DexterF | mooze: you runnign the stock kernel that comes with debian? on etch? |
| 22:57.27 | Lagbolt | _d4vid, ah i see the wrapper prob wants 32bit java |
| 22:57.32 | _d4vid | jarwrapper or java-wrappers? |
| 22:57.33 | mooze | DexterF: yup... |
| 22:57.47 | _d4vid | hmm |
| 22:58.16 | DexterF | whcih would be 2.6.18. that ones been out a while. I'm running the backports-22 myself for couple of reasons, works fine so far. worth a try. |
| 22:58.38 | DexterF | mooze: can you paste lspci output somewhere anyway? |
| 22:58.42 | mooze | DexterF: I am sorry - I am not familiar with backports-22 |
| 22:59.03 | mooze | DexterF: can i paste it on main? |
| 22:59.13 | Lagbolt | _d4vid, not seeing anything for it. |
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| 22:59.22 | DexterF | mooze: ok, that's the kernel 2.6.22 from etch-backports repository. you need to add the repos to your /etc/apt/sources.list and install it |
| 22:59.23 | _d4vid | :/ |
| 22:59.40 | DexterF | mooze: main..? like here? no, use http://pastebin.ca |
| 23:00.42 | mooze | DexterF: ok, heres the link http://pastebin.ca/980335 |
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| 23:01.33 | Lagbolt | _d4vid, there is something on a page about how to do it in gentoo |
| 23:01.48 | _d4vid | where? |
| 23:01.58 | _d4vid | url? |
| 23:02.30 | Lagbolt | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Install_firefox_with_java_on_amd64#nspluginwrapper |
| 23:02.35 | Lagbolt | scroll to |
| 23:02.45 | Lagbolt | oops . . . Firefox and Sun Java |
| 23:03.26 | DexterF | mooze: hm. I'd go with the kernel. you can install it next to your regular anyway, so no risk. |
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| 23:03.38 | DexterF | !tell mooze | backports |
| 23:03.52 | DexterF | sh!t. how do I use that tell bot? |
| 23:04.05 | Nyle | !tell DexterF -about dpkgbot |
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| 23:04.27 | DexterF | !tell mooze -about backports |
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| 23:05.47 | mooze | thanks - i'll look at a kernel recompile later i guess |
| 23:06.08 | mooze | need a ton of other things to be taken care of |
| 23:06.15 | Lagbolt | _d4vid, i think blackdown java has a plugin |
| 23:06.16 | mooze | thanks DexterF |
| 23:06.49 | Lagbolt | _d4vid, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-29263.html |
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| 23:07.13 | DexterF | mooze: basically install the backports line ( deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free ) to sources.list, run aptitude update and aptitude -t etch-backports install linux-image-2.6.22-<your-arch> |
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| 23:08.21 | themill | How close to release is the etchnhalf kernel? I see it's in etch-proposed-updates now. |
| 23:08.56 | _d4vid | Lagbolt, thnx for link |
| 23:09.16 | abrotman | themill: i'd probably ask the -kernel channel on oftc |
| 23:09.24 | abrotman | thought there was a -release channel |
| 23:10.02 | themill | abrotman: there is. will do. |
| 23:10.11 | abrotman | there is ? |
| 23:11.48 | lunaphyte_ | i'm trying to remove a package, and getting this - "Stopping HPA's tftpd: in.tftpdinvoke-rc.d: initscript tftpd-hpa, action "stop" failed." - how can i tell apt-get to not worry about stopping the package? |
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| 23:14.02 | abrotman | lunaphyte_: you could start it .. then remove it |
| 23:14.11 | abrotman | lunaphyte_: or edit the prerm script and comment that line out |
| 23:14.51 | DexterF | gotta run |
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| 23:15.13 | lunaphyte_ | abrotman: oh weird, thanks - i thought it was running. |
| 23:15.22 | adv | is there a doc about hardening apache on debian? |
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| 23:15.59 | themill | !securing debian |
| 23:16.00 | dpkg | hmm... securing debian is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/index.en.html |
| 23:16.08 | adv | k |
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| 23:16.27 | themill | adv: it's not that useful for apache though.... but it's a start |
| 23:16.41 | themill | "FIXME: Add content" |
| 23:16.45 | adv | what about apache? |
| 23:16.53 | adv | more apache i mean |
| 23:17.04 | abrotman | adv: you'd probably want to ask #apache |
| 23:17.19 | adv | another question: apt-get seems to download pkgs that may not be needed |
| 23:17.38 | adv | like with nagios it downloads smbclient and such |
| 23:17.40 | adv | :/ |
| 23:17.45 | adv | or apache 1.x |
| 23:18.15 | adv | any clues? |
| 23:18.20 | themill | adv: in etch, apt-get only downloads strict dependencies. |
| 23:18.47 | adv | i'm runnign etch |
| 23:19.28 | themill | adv: then apt-get is only downloading the packages that you ask it to. Sometimes there are "light" versions of the package that have fewer dependencies. But seriously, disk space is cheap. |
| 23:19.51 | _d4vid | Lagbolt, dont help :( .. iceweasel crashd up |
| 23:19.59 | dondelelcaro | adv: you mean nagios2 I assume? |
| 23:20.05 | Lagbolt | hmm thats no good |
| 23:20.07 | Lagbolt | :( |
| 23:20.23 | _d4vid | :( |
| 23:20.23 | adv | dondelelcaro: no at first i did nagios |
| 23:20.35 | adv | it fetched apache 1.x. why do that ? |
| 23:20.51 | adv | themill: i dont want to run services that i dont need |
| 23:21.12 | dondelelcaro | adv: nagios is a package in etch |
| 23:21.19 | dondelelcaro | s/is/is not/ |
| 23:21.36 | adv | nagios-text |
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| 23:22.09 | dondelelcaro | adv: that depends on some kind of a webserver. |
| 23:22.19 | dondelelcaro | (apache being the default webserver) |
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| 23:22.32 | themill | adv: feature list of nagios: "Web output (current status, notifications, problem history, log file, etc.)" |
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| 23:23.41 | adv | dondelelcaro: but i want apache2 |
| 23:23.51 | adv | how can i instruct it to use apache2 and not apache? |
| 23:23.59 | themill | install it |
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| 23:24.35 | Zelta | hey I have a debian-related question |
| 23:24.46 | themill | I bet you don't. |
| 23:24.49 | adv | so you're saying that i have to download apache 1.x and then remove it |
| 23:24.53 | Zelta | no I actually do |
| 23:24.54 | adv | if i only want nagios2? |
| 23:25.00 | Zelta | I do have a question |
| 23:25.04 | themill | adv: if you had installed apache2 first, then it would have just used that. |
| 23:25.20 | adv | ok |
| 23:25.22 | themill | adv: or even installed them at the same time. |
| 23:25.33 | adv | is there a hardened apache version as a pkg? |
| 23:25.38 | Zelta | If Debian GNU\Hurd and Duke Nukem Forever were in a race to determine which would be released first, who would win? |
| 23:25.51 | themill | Zelta: you asked that the other day and what happened? |
| 23:26.00 | Zelta | idk |
| 23:26.09 | Zelta | do you know? |
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| 23:26.34 | dondelelcaro | adv: so install apache2 |
| 23:26.41 | Spee_Der | Good evening folks. Nice to be home after a twelve hour work day |
| 23:26.44 | adv | k |
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| 23:27.52 | dondelelcaro | adv: the dependency on apache there is just the default; so long as you have a webserver installed it's fine. As far as a "hardened" version of apache; there's no such thing. We distribute versions of packages which are patched to fix all publicly known security vulnerabilities, and the configuration that is shipped by default is secure. |
| 23:28.25 | jelly-home | themill: he got ignored by some people? |
| 23:28.38 | themill | jelly-home: kicked, iirc. |
| 23:28.48 | adv | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 23:29.34 | jelly-home | themill: repeating a bad joke deserves a kick! |
| 23:29.50 | themill | hear! hear! |
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| 23:31.10 | De_Mon | I do I create a floppy image? dd doesn't appear to accept directories as an 'if=' |
| 23:31.10 | themill | jelly-home: I think stew got bored of the trolling |
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| 23:33.55 | abrotman | De_Mon: yes it does |
| 23:34.13 | abrotman | De_Mon: wait .. no |
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| 23:34.24 | abrotman | De_Mon: what's the command you're using? |
| 23:34.51 | De_Mon | dd if=/tmp/folder of=floppy.img bs=1024 |
| 23:35.12 | abrotman | /tmp/folder/* ? |
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| 23:35.23 | De_Mon | yeah |
| 23:35.28 | De_Mon | theres actually a trailing slash |
| 23:35.32 | abrotman | i'm asking if you tried it |
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| 23:35.35 | De_Mon | /tmp/folder/ and it says "thats a folder" |
| 23:35.41 | abrotman | the *? |
| 23:35.46 | De_Mon | no, no * |
| 23:35.50 | abrotman | De_Mon: what are you really trying to do ? |
| 23:35.57 | qoreqyas | are you trying to create an image from a floppy, or trying to copy an image to a floppy? |
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| 23:36.09 | abrotman | De_Mon: why not just cp ? |
| 23:36.29 | De_Mon | i'm trying to create a floppy image to mount over this drac to install raid drivers |
| 23:36.55 | qoreqyas | if=/dev/fd0 of=bla |
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| 23:37.03 | wfq | hi guys |
| 23:37.03 | De_Mon | I don't have a floppy drive |
| 23:37.11 | qoreqyas | ah....! |
| 23:37.24 | De_Mon | downloaded the files in a zip, put them in a folder, need to make a floppy image of the files in that folder |
| 23:37.25 | qoreqyas | you need to create an empty image first, mount it, and then copy the data |
| 23:37.44 | shivamib | ^^ |
| 23:37.44 | De_Mon | Oh! I didn't think I could modify an image that was mounted |
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| 23:38.11 | shivamib | De_Mon: super powers! |
| 23:38.36 | De_Mon | does the same work for ISO's? |
| 23:38.39 | qoreqyas | dd if=/dev/zero of=bla count=1440 bs=1k;mkfs.foo (whatever fs you want) bla;mount -o loop bla /mnt/tmp;copy folder /mnt/tmp;umount /mnt/tmp |
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| 23:38.58 | qoreqyas | iirc :> |
| 23:39.17 | De_Mon | I hate having to rebuild an image just to add one file or something, I gotta try that out! |
| 23:39.19 | qoreqyas | and its not copy, its cp, but iam drunk as hell, heh |
| 23:39.36 | Tramp | qoreqyas: after the dd he has to losetup, then mkfs on the loop-device |
| 23:39.38 | De_Mon | even drunk you're awesome :) thanks all |
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| 23:40.05 | wfq | I have just plugged in my digital camera and dmesg is telling me: "usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice " |
| 23:40.14 | De_Mon | http://www.osdev.org/osfaq2/index.php/Disk%20Images%20Under%20Linux |
| 23:40.39 | shivamib | De_Mon: we're always drunk mate |
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| 23:40.53 | wfq | but I have no idea where /dev I have to use, I used /dev/usbdev2.1_ep00 |
| 23:40.59 | wfq | it seems not to work |
| 23:41.25 | qoreqyas | Tramp: ah, ok, ty |
| 23:41.35 | abrotman | wfq: should be like a /dev/sdX or something like that |
| 23:42.12 | themill | wfq: most photo management programs will sort all that out for you. |
| 23:42.30 | wfq | abrotman I have tried with all sda but it seems not to work. I will check again. when it said address 5 it should be sda5 or it is choosen 1 determining |
| 23:42.43 | wfq | themill, I don't have any, just want to download |
| 23:43.19 | themill | wfq: are you sure your camera is a mass storage device? not all are; many aren't |
| 23:43.53 | wfq | themill, that could be but why dmesg is then telling me uhci_hcd? |
| 23:44.19 | themill | wfq: it's still a usb device |
| 23:44.45 | themill | wfq: if you plug in a usb pen drive, does your machine normally automount it (or offer to) |
| 23:44.59 | shivamib | ^^ |
| 23:45.00 | wfq | themill, the thing is xfce mounts my usb memories stick |
| 23:45.11 | wfq | themill yeah |
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| 23:46.29 | themill | wfq: that would tend to indicate that your camera is not a usb mass storage device. PTP is the other common protocol for cameras to use.... istr there's a gphoto2 command line tool to work these things out for you. |
| 23:47.00 | wfq | I have now a clue: http://dpaste.com/44266/ |
| 23:47.09 | wfq | this is what my .xsession_erros says |
| 23:47.24 | wfq | themill, yeah, you could be right |
| 23:48.00 | themill | wfq: that could also just be d-bus fuckage that is stopping your automounter from working. That happens too. |
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| 23:53.27 | wfq | I installed the required package but nothing |
| 23:56.01 | zrin | problem: slow sw-raid5 write performance (<20 MB/s) while the read performance is >170 MB/s, and the drop in performance happens suddenly (?) after 2-3 days uptime, and goes away after reboot |
| 23:56.23 | dvs | memory leak? |
| 23:56.26 | zrin | now: I've stopped VMWare Server and samba - and the problem went away as well! |
| 23:57.00 | zrin | dvs: are you talking to me? |
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| 23:57.16 | dvs | zrin: yes, scarface ;-) |
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| 23:57.30 | zrin | dvs: what could be leaking ... samba? |
| 23:57.41 | zrin | dvs: or vmware server :/ |
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| 23:57.57 | dvs | zrin: Can't tell unless you're running top or something. |
| 23:58.07 | dvs | or free |
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| 23:58.32 | zrin | dvs: now i have >90 MB/s write performance on sw-raid5 (dd if=/dev/zero of=test.dat bs=1M count=4K) |
| 23:59.23 | zrin | dvs: now all ram is in the cache, 3.6 GB |
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| 23:59.58 | dvs | zrin: ok, so it's probably not that. |