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| 00:00.26 | zrin | dvs: it is a 2P opteron system (NUMA) |
| 00:00.44 | zrin | dvs: 6xHDD -> raid5 -> LVM -> ext3 |
| 00:01.11 | zrin | very fine I/O performance until the problem strucks |
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| 00:02.06 | zrin | almost 100 MB/s write and >200 MB/s read |
| 00:02.41 | dvs | zrin: I'd run top and free once it occurs. |
| 00:03.30 | zrin | dvs: I did, as well as iostat - but it didn't tell me anything but about slow I/O and huge iowait CPU time |
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| 00:04.23 | zrin | now, after restarting vmware and samba, the problem went away, the question is for how long |
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| 00:06.49 | dvs | zrin: I'd lean towards vmware because I use samba for weeks and never had it slow down. |
| 00:07.17 | zrin | dvs: probably some vmware<->kernel issue |
| 00:07.35 | dvs | yeah |
| 00:07.43 | dvs | That's me guess. |
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| 00:09.11 | Nemes | Does anybody know what could be the reason I can't see sftp logged in users with "w"? |
| 00:09.20 | Nemes | I thought I was supposed to be able to see them |
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| 00:24.32 | Aoshi_1 | guys I have a ipw2200 intel wireless card and I set the firmware in /lib/firmware, but I can't connect to the web with ifup eth1, but If I use iwconfig by hand it works, can you help me? my /etc/network/interfaces file its here http://rafb.net/p/n1Mwfl99.html |
| 00:25.15 | Aoshi_1 | can you give me a hand please? |
| 00:25.22 | abrotman | patience .. jeez |
| 00:25.50 | abrotman | is your ipw2200 a pcmcia card? |
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| 00:26.09 | abrotman | and eth0 and eth1 aren't 'auto' |
| 00:26.21 | themill | is that file indented properly? |
| 00:26.29 | abrotman | no |
| 00:26.51 | cafuego | it's not python code, why would you indent it? |
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| 00:27.17 | themill | (I know it's not in the paste, I just wonder if that's reality or just web-form breakage) |
| 00:28.49 | streuner | (long sleep, prolly ;-) |
| 00:29.04 | Aoshi_1 | can some one help me with ipw2200 wireless card in debian etch? |
| 00:29.18 | streuner | somebody asked a question... |
| 00:29.21 | abrotman | read up ? |
| 00:29.29 | streuner | before |
| 00:29.58 | streuner | abrotman> is your ipw2200 a pcmcia card? |
| 00:30.04 | Aoshi_1 | some one? |
| 00:30.16 | Tramp | Aoshi_1: did you run ifup -v to check, how what ifup does differs from what you do manually? |
| 00:30.17 | abrotman | IRC is hard, let's go shopping |
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| 00:32.34 | streuner | strange, simple question, but no answer |
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| 00:32.50 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 00:33.00 | abrotman | Aoshi_1: are you going to answer any of those questions? |
| 00:33.07 | rahsputin | hi. can lilo boot loader within the grub loader like / seperate for linux and linux |
| 00:33.08 | Aoshi_1 | yes abrotman |
| 00:33.13 | abrotman | yes to which? |
| 00:33.21 | abrotman | you've been asked about five questions |
| 00:35.08 | dub | epic troll is epic |
| 00:35.34 | rahsputin | i have debian on my main and basic linux on the other.. the other = /boot/zimage /boot/boot.b i can boot to them normally with lilo, but not with grub |
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| 00:35.58 | rahsputin | basiclinux is the name srry |
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| 00:37.24 | jeffwheeler | Is there any convenient way to transform bytes from stdout of a program so that I can read their plain byte values? E.g., a program prints bytes with 87 and then 10 ("W\n"), but I would like to see the digits themselves. |
| 00:37.40 | jeffwheeler | I suspect there's something I can pipe the output through, but I can't seem to find anything through Googling. |
| 00:38.17 | abrotman | man od ? |
| 00:38.18 | Tramp | jeffwheeler: one of the options of od? |
| 00:38.27 | abrotman | or some perl |
| 00:38.44 | jeffwheeler | Don't know about od; I'll look at that. |
| 00:40.09 | chlam | any of you know how to convert .c files into .so |
| 00:40.55 | cizzi | so is shared object |
| 00:40.57 | cizzi | let me think |
| 00:41.03 | cizzi | link it maybe? |
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| 00:41.14 | chlam | what would that do |
| 00:41.25 | cizzi | not sure 100%, dont want to lie to you |
| 00:41.38 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+to+create+a+.so&btnG=Google+Search |
| 00:41.39 | cizzi | perhaps includes some header files from the libraries into your object code |
| 00:41.40 | abrotman | yeah .. that was hard |
| 00:41.42 | Aoshi_1 | abrotman: now its working my ipw2200 but at boot time it stops in the wireless config step, it take a lot of seconds because the wireless led its off |
| 00:41.48 | Davey | Is there something weird in the default setup that stops me modifying files when I mount a directory over SSH using FUSE? (debian is the remote box) |
| 00:41.55 | abrotman | is it pcmcia or not? |
| 00:42.13 | jeffwheeler | abrotman: works great; thanks |
| 00:42.26 | cizzi | \amethyst - how are you? |
| 00:42.26 | dpkg | cizzi: eh, ok |
| 00:42.27 | aptitude | peachy, cizzi |
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| 00:43.07 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:43.40 | Aoshi_1 | abrotman and Tramp: how can I have stoped the wireless at boot time and when I turn on the switch it start ? |
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| 00:44.31 | Tramp | no idea |
| 00:45.14 | cizzi | chlam - did it work? |
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| 00:48.53 | chlam | cizzi, didn't try |
| 00:49.24 | cizzi | chlam - oh allright |
| 00:49.32 | cizzi | which kernel version you running? |
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| 00:53.55 | linuxjones513 | what do i use to voew tv if i have a tv tuner card? |
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| 00:56.36 | chlam | cizzi, have you used unreal |
| 00:56.38 | chlam | unrealircd* |
| 00:56.49 | cizzi | yes |
| 00:56.54 | cizzi | the ircd server |
| 00:57.09 | chlam | it's a module |
| 00:57.11 | chlam | the .c file |
| 00:57.14 | chlam | what the heck do i do with it |
| 00:57.28 | cizzi | oh i dont remember... i remember going with ircd-hybrid at the end |
| 00:57.32 | cizzi | i tried a few of those packages |
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| 00:58.49 | romano2k | hi everyone! i can't access my server via samba 'till i restarted the network, any idea what could be wrong? |
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| 01:00.00 | djones_ | does anyone know what program to use to view tv with a tv tuner card? |
| 01:00.19 | astro76 | djones_: tvtime |
| 01:00.38 | Aoshi_1 | how can I make that the wireless become autoconfigurated when I turn on the wireles switch? |
| 01:00.48 | abrotman | allow_hotplug ? |
| 01:00.59 | Aoshi_1 | how is the parameter abrotman? |
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| 01:01.16 | abrotman | Aoshi_1: look in the man page .. |
| 01:01.18 | Aoshi_1 | abrotman: I just need to add allow_hotplug in interfaces? |
| 01:01.32 | abrotman | try it . i'm not sure |
| 01:01.32 | Aoshi_1 | the man page of what? where is the extense debian documentation? |
| 01:01.45 | Aoshi_1 | man interfaces ? interfaces not found |
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| 01:02.16 | abrotman | are you even on debian ? |
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| 01:09.41 | skavez | could someone post the default /etc/apt/sources.list file? i accidentally deleted mine (etch server) |
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| 01:10.05 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.05 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.05 | nevyn | 19:41 < justinh> I had fun trying out Mixx over the weekend |
| 01:10.26 | abrotman | !tell skavez about sources.list |
| 01:10.29 | abrotman | !tell skavez about mirrors |
| 01:11.06 | JyZyXEL | i have a linux box that just keeps crashing without no obvious reason |
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| 01:11.18 | JyZyXEL | just installed a fresh copy of debian and it also does it |
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| 01:11.29 | skavez | abrotman: thanks :) |
| 01:11.32 | JyZyXEL | the system just suddenly freezes and nothing can be done |
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| 01:11.45 | rking | so, for the first time in about 12 years, i am forced to use Windows at work. something that never struck me is how costly the (totally unavoidable) virus protection is in terms of performance. most of the time the task manager is occupied by scanning. that definitely affects TCO and user experience. |
| 01:11.46 | JyZyXEL | there is nothing in the log files |
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| 01:12.03 | JyZyXEL | how should i start testing the machine? |
| 01:12.14 | JyZyXEL | HD surface test and Memtest? |
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| 01:15.55 | Decepticon | ive installed some utils for measuring network speed and bandwidth, they are cli programs, but ive forgotten their names, any ideas what they could be? |
| 01:16.15 | tolecnal_ | vnstat |
| 01:16.18 | Decepticon | ah yes! |
| 01:16.20 | pjv | i've been using rsync to back up my internal HD to an External USB HD and i got an error file too large (27) this is my command rsync --recursive --size-only --progress /mnt/win_d /media/Elements |
| 01:16.29 | pjv | over 4GB too big for rsync? |
| 01:16.38 | Decepticon | tolecnal_ ah thats the one i didnt like, is there another one (i uninstalled it later i think) |
| 01:17.21 | tolecnal_ | Decepticon: you didn't like vnstat? what's not to like about it, it's simple and clean. non intrusive, can be hooked up to a PHP interface with ease etc etc |
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| 01:17.39 | Decepticon | tolecnal_ im not sure, there must have bene a reason, and i settled with something else insteady |
| 01:17.42 | Decepticon | *insteady |
| 01:17.45 | Decepticon | *instead |
| 01:18.18 | Decepticon | any idea what other programs do the same as vnstat |
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| 01:18.35 | Tramp | pjv: what's the filesystem on the external disk? |
| 01:18.42 | Baloo_ | A DD should package this... http://www.beigerecords.com/cory/pizza_party/ |
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| 01:18.56 | Baloo_ | Debian is seriously lacking in terms of rotary debuggers. :o) |
| 01:18.57 | tolecnal_ | Decepticon: hmmm, there are a few others.. but i've forgotten all about them ever since I found vnstat :) |
| 01:19.09 | abrotman | Baloo_: file an RFP |
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| 01:19.18 | gacrux | any clues why iptable LOGs don't show up in kern.log but i can see them if i run dmesg? |
| 01:19.28 | gacrux | syslog.conf has kern.* -/var/log/kern.log |
| 01:19.49 | gacrux | iptables man page claims they are logged to kernel |
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| 01:21.43 | Tramp | gacrux: what gives "ps -ef | grep klog" |
| 01:22.07 | romano2k | any idea? |
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| 01:22.16 | romano2k | (can't access to samba on my server) |
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| 01:22.49 | gacrux | root 1982 1 0 14:05 ? 00:00:00 /sbin/klogd -x |
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| 01:24.55 | Zelta | how can I get debian running on my TI-84 plus |
| 01:25.56 | abrotman | it's a freaking calculator |
| 01:25.59 | abrotman | you can't |
| 01:26.10 | WormFood | Zelta, install a quad code pentium processor running at 5 Ghz, and 8 gig of ram, and I think it will work |
| 01:26.21 | Zelta | okay |
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| 01:26.40 | Zelta | hey while I'm at it I might add a 30" monitor and a chassis to put all of the hardware in |
| 01:26.52 | abrotman | Zelta: do you have a real question? |
| 01:26.59 | Zelta | ?? |
| 01:27.18 | romano2k | abrotman: i do have a real question |
| 01:27.24 | romano2k | my samba's broken |
| 01:27.31 | abrotman | romano2k: i saw .. |
| 01:27.43 | abrotman | romano2k: which part is broken ? |
| 01:27.50 | romano2k | it's running |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | ok |
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| 01:28.18 | romano2k | but i can't access it, going to "\\<hostname>" from Windows gives an errer "Access refused" |
| 01:28.44 | romano2k | from Mac OS X, trying to reach "smb://<hostname>" gives the list of shares but my usual login/pass won't work |
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| 01:29.07 | gacrux | Tramp: looks like klogd is running is it possible that might be the problem? |
| 01:29.19 | abrotman | romano2k: does it work from the samba server itself? |
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| 01:29.26 | pan993 | http://ninja-net.blogspot.com/ |
| 01:29.29 | romano2k | abrotman: didn't tried |
| 01:29.30 | Tramp | gacrux: no that's ok. I'm just about checking something else, hang on |
| 01:29.32 | pan993 | -_- |
| 01:29.32 | abrotman | pan993: go away |
| 01:29.38 | pan993 | inspiring stuff |
| 01:29.52 | abrotman | pan993: spam somewhere else |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | romano2k: so try it |
| 01:30.21 | romano2k | abrotman: something with "smbclient"? |
| 01:30.32 | abrotman | smbclient -L i think |
| 01:31.58 | Tramp | gacrux: does the stuff end up in /var/log/messages? |
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| 01:32.18 | Zelta | abrotman when is Debian 1.0 coming out |
| 01:32.24 | romano2k | Zelta... |
| 01:32.35 | romano2k | Zelta, www.debian.org |
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| 01:32.49 | romano2k | abrotman: had to update samba and smbfs to install smbclient |
| 01:32.49 | abrotman | Zelta: one more chance |
| 01:33.04 | Zelta | chance for what, abrotman? I was asking a legitimate question :\ |
| 01:33.26 | romano2k | abrotman: and how funny, now it works. |
| 01:33.40 | abrotman | romano2k: it all works? |
| 01:33.47 | gacrux | Tramp: nope, it isn't in any log files |
| 01:33.50 | romano2k | abrotman: seems to |
| 01:33.55 | gacrux | but it shows up if I run dmesg |
| 01:33.56 | romano2k | so thank you :) |
| 01:33.57 | abrotman | romano2k: do you find this odd? |
| 01:34.11 | romano2k | odd means wierd right? |
| 01:34.28 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:34.29 | abrotman | weird |
| 01:34.38 | romano2k | yes it's strange! |
| 01:34.43 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:34.48 | Tramp | gacrux: that's weird. "lsof -p 1982" - does klogd have /proc/kmesg open? |
| 01:34.54 | romano2k | why's that question? |
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| 01:35.44 | gacrux | Tramp: yep - klogd 1982 root 0r REG 0,3 0 4026531849 /proc/kmsg |
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| 01:38.17 | Tramp | gacrux: strange. I'd try to restart /etc/init.d/klogd and see if something changes |
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| 01:38.53 | Tramp | gacrux: I presume you have checked that syslogd is running (i.e. stuff is logged at all - I skipped this step) |
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| 01:39.22 | gacrux | Tramp: yep syslogd is running |
| 01:39.39 | swulf-- | is there a debian package that includes the linux source configured (version.h and all) such that the nvidia driver install can find it? |
| 01:40.11 | swulf-- | linux-source-2.8.16 doesn't include version.h, but kernel-headers has it but its in /usr/include/linux |
| 01:40.14 | Tramp | gacrux: unfortunately, there is no way to check kern.* rules from the shell (with logger -p) - that's what I had to check previously. |
| 01:40.58 | gacrux | Tramp: klogd restart worked :) |
| 01:41.21 | abrotman | !tell swulf-- about nvidia one-liner |
| 01:41.24 | Tramp | gacrux: ok. Then somehow klogd may have lost the log-socket. Do you have the output of the previous lsof still in your shell |
| 01:41.55 | gacrux | yep |
| 01:42.10 | swulf-- | thanks abrotman |
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| 01:42.26 | Tramp | gacrux: is there an entry with name "socket" (for me it's the last line) |
| 01:42.53 | gacrux | Tramp: yeah it was there - klogd 1982 root 1u unix 0xcfbe3ac0 5264 socket |
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| 01:43.44 | Tramp | gacrux: hmm. weird. Ok - however. So your problem is fixed then - just dunno, what it was exactly 8) |
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| 01:44.16 | gacrux | Tramp: what's still strange is iptables LOGs are showing in /var/log/iptables.log (I have a kern.warning /var/log/iptables.log line in syslog.conf) but still not in /var/log/kern.log |
| 01:44.31 | gacrux | Tramp: which i thought catches ALL kernel log messages |
| 01:45.08 | gacrux | Tramp: kern.* -/var/log/kern.log |
| 01:45.15 | Tramp | gacrux: but kern.log does exist? |
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| 01:45.27 | gacrux | Tramp: yep |
| 01:46.33 | Tramp | gacrux: hmm. Do an lsop -p <pid of your syslogd> and check, that kern.log is open. If not, restart sysklogd as well |
| 01:46.43 | Tramp | gacrux: lsof -p ... I mean of course |
| 01:47.14 | De_Mon | eeh, how am I supposed to determine if my network connection is good from a netboot cd? "ping" doesn't exist |
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| 01:48.24 | gacrux | Tramp: yep lsof showed no kern.log but it does after a syslogd restart |
| 01:48.31 | De_Mon | ah, wget works okay my life isn't over |
| 01:48.47 | gacrux | Tramp: I'm gonna have a read into syslogd and klogd, thanks for all your help with this :) |
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| 01:51.41 | Tramp | gacrux: yw |
| 01:52.50 | De_Mon | hrmmm no route to host it says |
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| 01:54.06 | gacrux | Tramp: just tested and it's logging to both kern.log and iptables.log, cheers mate |
| 01:54.25 | mikemussina | hi, wich is the file that runs x automaticly with gdm and of gnome and stuff automaticly? where is it and how is it called? |
| 01:54.25 | Tramp | De_Mon: you have wget but no ping? Did you check for /bin/ping? - maybe a problem with your PATH? |
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| 01:54.52 | De_Mon | yes I checked /bin , /sbin /usr/bin and /usr/sbin |
| 01:55.09 | De_Mon | seems kinda odd eh? |
| 01:55.27 | abrotman | mikemussina: /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm or something like that |
| 01:55.28 | De_Mon | it'd be nice to have traceroute and ping on an install cd |
| 01:55.55 | abrotman | and who would pick a nick after a baseball player |
| 01:56.40 | Tramp | De_Mon: Indeed. Do you have busybox? Maybe "busybox ping" works ... |
| 01:57.14 | De_Mon | yes to busybox no to ping |
| 01:57.32 | De_Mon | it does have something called 'ip' that i've never seen before though |
| 01:57.34 | mikemussina | abrotman but wich is the file i can edit to run custom commands at startup? lets say i dont want to run X, even if i already disabled gdm |
| 01:57.37 | abrotman | MOO |
| 01:57.46 | abrotman | huh? |
| 01:58.02 | abrotman | if you've disabled GDM .. and that's your selected DM .. X shouldn't start |
| 01:58.24 | Tramp | De_Mon: maybe somthing else helpful compiled into the busybox (just "busybox" without args shows, what's compiled in) |
| 01:58.41 | De_Mon | nod so does 'help' i think |
| 01:59.00 | mikemussina | well ok, BUT ALL that must be at some startup file or am i wrong? not the gdm, i mean lets say i want to stop ALSA |
| 01:59.03 | De_Mon | nah busybox has more commands than help |
| 01:59.19 | De_Mon | new problem, interface is up and I can't wget from google :) |
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| 01:59.38 | abrotman | mikemussina: all what? .. it's a link to a script that gets run .. what else are you looking for? |
| 02:00.11 | Tramp | De_Mon: maybe name resolution problem? |
| 02:00.47 | mikemussina | abrotman wich is the file that run the script? i mean in wich file says "/bin/alsa-utils" or something like that? |
| 02:01.15 | De_Mon | i tried the ip too and got no route to host, cant ping the server from another machine either |
| 02:01.23 | romano2k | abrotman: thanks for the previous problem solved |
| 02:01.33 | De_Mon | I'm wondering if the network card was misdetected, or maybe the cable is plugged into eth1 by mistake |
| 02:01.34 | azurite | any thoughts here on truecrypt vs luks vs loop-aes for long term storage of large amount of data in terms of future compatibility/accessibility ? |
| 02:01.34 | jts- | Somehow my system got wonky and I have a 2.4 kernel and need to install glibc-2.7-1; is this possible? |
| 02:01.34 | abrotman | mikemussina: /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 02:01.38 | romano2k | i still have an issue: i can't connect to any SIP service from my network |
| 02:01.47 | abrotman | jts-: you've mixed versions of debian |
| 02:01.55 | Tramp | De_Mon: No ifconfig as well? |
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| 02:02.00 | abrotman | jts-: you're likely going to have to install a 2.6 kernel |
| 02:02.07 | De_Mon | oh no, I've got an ifconfig -- does that tell me link status? |
| 02:02.38 | Tramp | De_Mon: if it shows you an interface, it was detected and configured. Should be up and have an ip |
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| 02:03.13 | De_Mon | well, here I am :) |
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| 02:03.48 | De_Mon | I was never given an option to configure eth1, though i'm not sure why/how it knows which interface has link |
| 02:04.12 | Tramp | De_Mon: if it is, you maybe lack a default-GW. "netstat -nr" or "ip route show" should tell you |
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| 02:05.07 | jts- | abrotman, it won't let me install a 2.6 because of dependencies revolving around glibc |
| 02:05.13 | De_Mon | hah, eth1 IS the working interface |
| 02:05.25 | De_Mon | still have to fix my route though.. stupid debian installer =D |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | jts-: i'm sure |
| 02:05.56 | abrotman | jts-: what's your CPU? |
| 02:06.14 | jts- | abrotman, some crap celeron. Let me check |
| 02:06.26 | De_Mon | does 2.6 NOT support some cpus? |
| 02:06.30 | abrotman | jts-: show us the output of aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:06.36 | abrotman | De_Mon: 386 IIRC |
| 02:06.44 | abrotman | or it does .. but it's a security issue or something |
| 02:07.00 | De_Mon | comforts his 386 |
| 02:07.10 | De_Mon | oh wait, this is a 486 hahaha |
| 02:07.26 | jts- | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:07.26 | jts- | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.48 | De_Mon | gives jts- a blank stare |
| 02:07.49 | abrotman | jts-: show us your sources.list |
| 02:07.50 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:07.50 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:08.36 | jts- | http://phpfi.com/309060 |
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| 02:08.48 | jts- | ^ sources.list |
| 02:09.25 | abrotman | jts-: what is the output of aptitude install linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 ? |
| 02:10.30 | jts- | http://phpfi.com/309061 |
| 02:11.07 | abrotman | you're going to have to try it |
| 02:11.30 | abrotman | you don't have much of a choice |
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| 02:12.53 | jts- | result: http://phpfi.com/309062 |
| 02:13.12 | rgr | can anyone tell me if its possible to limit the password prompt for gnome-screensaver to a specific x screen? I frequently turn of my TV and come back, turn my monitor on but the password prompt is at the screen of last focus (the TV in some cases) so I have to power that up to see what I am doing. |
| 02:13.57 | pkcahier | anyone knows a sort of virtual term interface similar to screen that'd support a form of external stdin data entering ? |
| 02:15.03 | jts- | I just don't understand. It won't let me upgrade glibc because the kernel version isn't high enough, and it won't let me upgrade the kernel because the glibc version isn't high enough |
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| 02:17.59 | abrotman | jts-: it's telling you what to do |
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| 02:19.11 | mikemussina | abrotman you are not getting my point :), lets say i install the basic debian, just the base system without gnome or xorg and stuff like that, lets say i install xorg after, and i want it to start it by default, there must be a file where i can type "/etc/X11/x" and that file will start xorg everytime, or lets say that i install xfce and i want to run it at startup, where i have to put "startxfce4" in order to do that :) |
| 02:19.41 | abrotman | mikemussina: you can write your own initscript .. i guess .. but who are you going to start X as ? |
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| 02:20.03 | De_Mon | jts- read lines 10-13 again |
| 02:20.19 | abrotman | mikemussina: basically .. that's what gdm is for .. and it has an autologin "feature" |
| 02:21.07 | De_Mon | the security people love that one |
| 02:21.08 | enouf | mikemussina: you want ~/.xinit or ~/.xession ? or, maybe even /etc/rc.local ? |
| 02:21.16 | enouf | gah, xsession |
| 02:22.19 | mikemussina | abrotman, i saw this tutorial on building a very lite X system with some default features it has, and i want to know where i can add the line "startx" without having to log in and then run it manually, is not about lazyness, but just an top know how can i do that |
| 02:22.27 | De_Mon | note to self: erasing data takes a long time |
| 02:22.29 | enouf | mikemussina: abrotman's not a yankee fan :-p |
| 02:22.37 | abrotman | but mussina is from PA :) |
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| 02:22.45 | enouf | hah |
| 02:23.10 | abrotman | mikemussina: make your own init script .. and have it 'su -c <username> "some command/startx"' |
| 02:23.16 | mikemussina | haha |
| 02:23.19 | abrotman | enouf: he grew up about 40 minutes from where i ddi |
| 02:23.32 | enouf | abrotman: where'd that signature 'dip' come from in his windup? milking cows? |
| 02:23.35 | enouf | runs |
| 02:24.09 | abrotman | enouf: i'd make a joke .. but you're probably right .. his town is about the size of one NY city block :) |
| 02:24.20 | enouf | heh |
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| 02:29.17 | mikemussina | one other thing, i installed etch from the cd and made a dist upgrade and now i have two kernel boot options in the grub, call me gay but its annoying :) how can i remove the old one? menu.lst? or i can just remove those kernels since theyre old? |
| 02:29.25 | De_Mon | with an 80gig raid partition, is it still a good practice to create a small partition at the front of the disk? |
| 02:29.29 | abrotman | !tell mikemussina about gay |
| 02:29.41 | abrotman | mikemussina: man aptitude or man dpkg .. remove it like any other package |
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| 02:30.44 | abrotman | enouf: would it help you if i told you the McDonald's in his hometown is .. nascar themed ? |
| 02:30.48 | mikemussina | lol at dpkg :) |
| 02:31.14 | abrotman | or was anyways .. might not be anymore |
| 02:31.17 | jts- | abrotman, I have my kernel image installed |
| 02:31.27 | abrotman | jts-: this is good right ? |
| 02:31.29 | jts- | What's the shutdown flags I should use for kernel upgrade |
| 02:31.33 | jts- | I don't remember |
| 02:31.39 | jts- | other than -r haha |
| 02:31.45 | abrotman | normal reboot AFAIK |
| 02:31.57 | jts- | cause I am doing this on a dedicated server. |
| 02:32.17 | enouf | abrotman: i don't care that much .. |
| 02:32.36 | enouf | poconos? |
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| 02:32.44 | abrotman | enouf: montoursville |
| 02:32.49 | enouf | ahh |
| 02:32.54 | abrotman | jts-: you run testing on a dedicated server? |
| 02:32.58 | De_Mon | !tell de_mon about gay |
| 02:33.31 | De_Mon | jts- i hope that dedicated server isn't also a production server |
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| 02:34.59 | enouf | De_Mon: the small /boot partition within the 1st 1024 cylinders (8.4GB) was an older LiLo versions only boot limitation (and many other boot loaders at that time), but it;s still used,and some exotic setups might still want it |
| 02:35.05 | jts- | abrotman, All it does is host my small website. file junk. |
| 02:35.18 | jts- | there isn't really a website, just an index.html then a bunch of files |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:35.43 | catbot | It is time to use a new logo for debian, what say you? |
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| 02:36.23 | jts- | wow I just found an article on debian-administration.org and it turns out I know the author haha |
| 02:36.26 | jts- | That's weird. |
| 02:36.36 | De_Mon | enouf older as in, debian stable old or really really old :P im kidding! |
| 02:36.39 | amphi | catbot: someone set up you the bomb? |
| 02:36.56 | jts- | we get signal |
| 02:36.58 | jts- | main screen turn on |
| 02:37.20 | jts- | Linux boobers.nion.be 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 02:37.24 | jts- | looks like I'm in business. |
| 02:37.33 | De_Mon | this guided install isn't telling me to make a swap partition. I wonder if thats because I've got the entire disk using raid. |
| 02:38.34 | abrotman | jts-: now .. finish your dist-upgrade |
| 02:39.00 | jts- | I wasn't even doing a dist-upgrade haha |
| 02:39.03 | jts- | I think I tried a long time ago |
| 02:39.31 | De_Mon | jts- this whole problem started because you did try |
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| 02:40.00 | abrotman | jts-: i know .. i'm telling you to finish it |
| 02:40.01 | abrotman | or do it |
| 02:40.25 | jts- | abrotman, doing so |
| 02:40.42 | abrotman | which will instlal another kernel .. a new libc .. and probably break your world :) |
| 02:41.31 | De_Mon | hrm, do it right or just do it |
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| 02:50.21 | malifal | hello, is there a command in apt-get to show the installed packages? |
| 02:50.24 | catbot | nobody bomb me, I just think, the world is changed, and something must be changed in debian. the logo, is too old. |
| 02:50.43 | abrotman | !installed |
| 02:50.43 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 02:51.08 | malifal | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:53.29 | vinboy | what apt-get says "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" ? |
| 02:53.33 | vinboy | *why |
| 02:53.34 | De_Mon | ahh, I picked the wrong primary ethernet controler, debian installer ++ |
| 02:54.40 | abrotman | vinboy: /topic |
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| 02:55.29 | De_Mon | vinboy or better yet, paste that error message, including quotes, into GOOGLE and try the first link |
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| 02:57.59 | vinboy | thanks |
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| 03:01.58 | abrotman | why would you? |
| 03:02.09 | dahlia | is there a way to start debian without X? my display is garbled and the alt-function key thing doesnt work |
| 03:02.11 | catbot | Guys, vote for changing debian logo |
| 03:02.14 | abrotman | very few things aren't in unstable that are in the other two |
| 03:02.15 | De_Mon | its okay, but debian is going to use unstable over the others. |
| 03:02.19 | abrotman | catbot: top already |
| 03:02.22 | abrotman | catbot: stop |
| 03:02.31 | abrotman | !tell dahlia about nodm |
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| 03:03.19 | malifal | how do i get the .deb source, compile and install it? |
| 03:03.27 | abrotman | !source |
| 03:03.27 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 03:03.34 | dahlia | I cant get a terminal to run apt, I cant get into the system at all |
| 03:03.47 | dahlia | I need to disable x |
| 03:03.52 | dahlia | from boot |
| 03:04.00 | dahlia | is it possible? |
| 03:04.26 | malifal | abrotman: thanks again |
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| 03:09.32 | kolby | how can I change what a downloaded .deb's name is registered as in the control file? |
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| 03:10.23 | dondelelcaro | kolby: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 03:10.40 | enouf | dahlia: choose 'single' option line in grub |
| 03:10.59 | \amethyst | kolby: dpkg-deb -W foo.deb |
| 03:11.11 | kolby | dondelelcaro: I'm trying to download my favorite programs, build the deb, then hack them, reinstall, and rebuild easily |
| 03:11.23 | kolby | \amethyst: thanks |
| 03:11.24 | \amethyst | kolby: oh, sorry, change what it is, not find out what it is |
| 03:11.31 | dahlia | single user? ty :) |
| 03:11.32 | \amethyst | kolby: what I told you is to find it out only |
| 03:11.38 | kolby | \amethyst: okay |
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| 03:12.11 | malifal | which init is the single mode? |
| 03:12.17 | amphi | 1 |
| 03:12.26 | malifal | ah |
| 03:12.26 | \amethyst | malifal: 1 or S, depending |
| 03:12.28 | kolby | well, I need to go to bed, but I'll be back on sometime. I'll get help from someone later. |
| 03:12.37 | kolby | thanks everyone. good night |
| 03:13.01 | \amethyst | malifal: it's S when the system boots in single-user mode, and 1 when you change to single-user mode from multi-user |
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| 03:13.39 | enouf | \amethyst: yeah, kind of odd, i start out as runlevel saying [N 2], then telinit 1, and then it reads; [1 S] :-) |
| 03:13.54 | malifal | when you do init 1 does that cause it to reboot or it just switches? |
| 03:13.56 | mikemussina | if my usb modem device is eth1, how can i configure it to use dhcp, and to be used as my default internet connection? |
| 03:14.23 | enouf | \amethyst: and, iinm, when booting grub's Single option, runlevel reports 'unknown', iinm |
| 03:14.24 | shivamib | usb modem device => ouch! |
| 03:14.49 | \amethyst | malifal: that switches into single-user mode. 6 is reboot, 0 is halt. man init for more information |
| 03:15.16 | mikemussina | shivamib actually it works in debian, ive already used it in my former installation, but i configured with gnome fonend, but im not using gnome atm |
| 03:15.27 | abrotman | mikemussina: man interfaces |
| 03:15.37 | malifal | mikemussina: man dhclient |
| 03:16.18 | mikemussina | well i never understand manuals but i always read them anyway := |
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| 03:16.40 | shivamib | yes yes i know |
| 03:16.50 | shivamib | thank god! |
| 03:16.55 | enouf | dropping into 1 from 2 i still have all ttys avail, but booting into single only has one tty avail (IINM), though /etc/login.defs line might alter that behaviour? |
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| 03:17.11 | devsforev | Hey everyone. Recently my 2GB /var partition has been filling up. Taking a closer look, /var/log/mysql is taking up 1.3GB! is it safe to delete the files in there? |
| 03:17.16 | shivamib | but you _gotta_ feel handicapped |
| 03:17.34 | abrotman | devsforev: probably want to rotate them |
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| 03:17.54 | devsforev | abrotman: is it possible to rotate these all at once? |
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| 03:19.12 | dahlia | is there an init file or something that I need to edit to disable X logins and just have console login? |
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| 03:19.39 | dbmoodb | dude my contrib / non-free repos have an md5 mismatch is this to be expected (lenny) |
| 03:19.39 | enouf | dahlia: remove your DM, or /msg dpkg xsession |
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| 03:21.40 | dahlia | DM? |
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| 03:22.56 | malifal | gdm kdm xdm ... i guess |
| 03:23.19 | jamesgc | Hi! how to install only vmware-vdiskmanager tools without officially vmware program? |
| 03:23.51 | icesword | /etc/init.d/rc.5/K**** |
| 03:23.57 | dahlia | is that like desktop manager? |
| 03:24.20 | malifal | login manager |
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| 03:24.50 | malifal | officially Display Manager |
| 03:25.02 | dahlia | how about if I rename /usr/share/xsession? |
| 03:25.07 | dbmoodb | ahm do i ignore this md5 mismatch for debian lenny on the contrib / non-free repos as it the md5 has changed on purpose ? |
| 03:26.41 | jts- | and it is done. |
| 03:26.45 | jts- | successfully, I might add. |
| 03:26.46 | jts- | :D |
| 03:27.13 | malifal | yay! |
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| 03:28.58 | dahlia | rm /usr/sbin/gdm? trying that... |
| 03:29.28 | dahlia | Yay! it worked! Thanks all :) |
| 03:29.52 | malifal | Yay redux! |
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| 03:33.33 | rgr | I am using debian testing. I have one or two apps pinned from unstable. But the Gnome System Monitor is telling me that my Debian is unstable(sid). Whats up ? Is this a system monitor bug? |
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| 03:35.20 | mikemussina | if it is you shouldnt be here :), maybe you have sid repositories? |
| 03:36.01 | \amethyst | mikemussina: shouldn't be here? |
| 03:36.16 | dbmoodb | rgr i think it is just being stupid - grub says lenny/sid no ? |
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| 03:36.34 | \amethyst | rgr: hm... do you have lsb_release, and if so what does lsb_release -r say? |
| 03:37.05 | mikemussina | \amethyst if its a bug, he should report it also in #gnome |
| 03:37.10 | malifal | hehe, mine says Release: None |
| 03:37.17 | malifal | i have testing |
| 03:37.20 | dbmoodb | same |
| 03:37.26 | dbmoodb | -- same bug malifal perhaps ? |
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| 03:38.29 | malifal | maybe, but i renamed testing to lenny in the sources list and i'm doing a dist-upgrade, lets see if that works |
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| 03:38.43 | dbmoodb | interesting idea |
| 03:38.58 | dbmoodb | i did the same |
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| 03:39.18 | dbmoodb | ... but i installed from the weekly snapshot (about 2 weeks /week ago) |
| 03:39.34 | malifal | i used to be stable |
| 03:39.47 | dbmoodb | oh ... well on my other computer whichi was an upgrade that was how it was |
| 03:39.51 | dbmoodb | -- the same as this |
| 03:39.59 | mikemussina | malifal and you are crazy now :) |
| 03:40.22 | malifal | i'm slightly mad |
| 03:41.19 | dbmoodb | oh i'm going slightly |
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| 03:42.35 | rgr | \amethyst: it says unstable. |
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| 03:45.54 | rgr | my current kernel is kernel 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 03:53.26 | jamesgc | any one? |
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| 03:54.24 | Seb_ | where does /usr/lib/cups/backend/socket come from ? dpkg -S returns nothing... |
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| 03:57.54 | \amethyst | Seb_: it's hardlinked with /usr/lib/cups/backend-available/socket, which comes from package cupsys |
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| 04:07.39 | rgr | how to make python 2.5 the default? |
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| 04:14.26 | chris062689 | Hello. |
| 04:14.37 | chris062689 | I think I'm having a problem here... I'm trying to install XFCE to a CLI debian system. |
| 04:14.54 | chris062689 | But when I go to install xfce4, it says it's going to install 325MB of addtional space? |
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| 04:16.05 | chris062689 | Isn't that quite a bit for a XFCE system? |
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| 04:18.46 | nite613_ | Having an nvidia problem. Fresh etch install, geforce 7105. I installed the modules and packages, and the Xorg.log doesn't show errors, it looks like it's working. But the screen is black and I see no nvidia logo or X |
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| 04:19.03 | nite613_ | I think it's because there are two outputs on the card and it's outputting to the other one |
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| 04:19.40 | uski | nite613_, you can tell which output you want to use in xorg.conf |
| 04:19.46 | rgr | aynone? how to set to use python 2.5? |
| 04:19.49 | uski | which driver are you using btw ? nv or nvidia ? |
| 04:19.50 | nite613_ | unfortunately I dont' have a monitor with DVI and the card's manual says that the DVI port won't work with w DVI>VGA, so I can't verify my theory |
| 04:19.57 | nite613_ | uski: nvidia |
| 04:20.04 | Akuw | how can i install Beryl in debian? |
| 04:20.19 | amphi | Akuw: beryl is dead |
| 04:20.46 | uski | nite613_, Option "ConnectedMonitor" "CRT" |
| 04:20.53 | Akuw | ?? |
| 04:20.54 | uski | no guarantee, but try it |
| 04:21.11 | amphi | Akuw: pining for the fjords |
| 04:21.20 | amphi | Akuw: no longer developed |
| 04:21.25 | nite613_ | uski: Okay, I'll try that and look up the ConnectedMonitor directive. I'm also going to tackle the tv-out later |
| 04:21.28 | nite613_ | baby steps |
| 04:21.31 | Akuw | hummmm |
| 04:21.33 | uski | yea |
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| 04:21.35 | amphi | Akuw: compiz-fusion is in testing |
| 04:21.37 | Akuw | what is there? |
| 04:21.50 | Akuw | how can i install compiz ? |
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| 04:22.58 | uski | Akuw, maybe with apt-get install ? |
| 04:23.01 | uski | or aptitude |
| 04:23.02 | uski | or whatever |
| 04:23.02 | Akuw | yah |
| 04:23.07 | Akuw | i am installing |
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| 04:27.06 | nite613_ | uski: That directive didn't seem to help. A weird thing that happens is that CTRL-ALT-BKSP doesn't seem to work after I startx, but CTRL-ALT-DEL does |
| 04:27.13 | Akuw | is good that doc to configure compiz ? ---> http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-compiz-in-debian.html |
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| 04:27.37 | uski | nite613_, is there anything in the Xorg log about the detected monitors ? there should be; also the CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE can be disabled with a Xorg directive, make sure it's not there |
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| 04:29.01 | nulix | hello |
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| 04:33.36 | nite613_ | uski: Nothing ing the log regarding detected monitors at all, actually. And CTRL-ALT-F1 doesn't work either, not due to a directive seemingly |
| 04:34.52 | uski | nite613_, this is all weird; honestly i don't know what else to do to help you apart from telling you to look for anything special in the logs. Several years ago, I reported a bug to the NVIDIA developpers and they were very quick to fix it and to talk with me to find what was wrong; if you cannot fix it, you might consider talking to them, although it might be harder now to reach them (I met them on IRC, i don't remember where) |
| 04:35.12 | nite613_ | Thanks, I'll keep at it |
| 04:35.13 | uski | of course, make sure you thoroughly checked everything before attempting to submit a bug report, but you seem to know what you're doing |
| 04:35.21 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | What's that command to print a file in: ADDRESS HEX HEX HEX HEX HEX ASCII...... format? |
| 04:35.28 | uski | GhostInTheShell, od -x ? |
| 04:35.41 | nite613_ | uski: Done this all before. Quite surprised it's not working :P |
| 04:35.41 | uski | or hexdump maybe, i think you have to install it though |
| 04:35.58 | uski | nite613_, it might just be a bug... it happens |
| 04:36.34 | nite613_ | uski: Oh it's a bug alright! I logged in over SSH to see if I could recover from the hang |
| 04:36.35 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | No not thise |
| 04:36.37 | nite613_ | Saw this: |
| 04:36.50 | nite613_ | kernel: Oops: 0000 [#1] |
| 04:36.52 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | It says the address, bunch of hex and then ascii representation of the data |
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| 04:37.15 | nite613_ | That's a problem :( |
| 04:37.25 | uski | nite613_, well then you can submit a bug report but before remove all modules from the kernel and leave only the base ones |
| 04:37.35 | uski | i.e. if you have a wireless card, remove its driver, and so on |
| 04:37.55 | uski | be especially careful about tainting drivers and generally drivers which are not from the kernel tree |
| 04:38.25 | uski | if you have access to the backtrace of the oops (check dmesg), it will be of great help to the developpers |
| 04:38.27 | uski | actually i'd like to see it |
| 04:38.32 | nite613_ | uski: This is just a stock etch install. Literally the first thing I did was install the nvidia modules |
| 04:38.35 | uski | so if you can paste it on a paste bin, just do it |
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| 04:40.00 | uski | if you can reproduce the bug (it looks like you can :P) it'd be nice if you could leave the setup as it is while reporting the bug so that you can give more info to the developpers if needed; i don't know if you really need this computer or not |
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| 04:40.04 | nite613_ | uski: http://pastebin.org/28928 That what you want? |
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| 04:40.48 | Akuw | i installed compiz and follow the instructions at http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-compiz-in-debian.html |
| 04:41.01 | Akuw | but restart computer and nothing happen |
| 04:41.23 | uski | nite613_, looks like there is no backtrace ? i don't know; but the EIP and stuff is here so the developpers can look into that; i don't think you can do anything else by yourself |
| 04:41.37 | uski | but the bug seems to be in the kernel so it is definitely a driver bug |
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| 04:41.44 | uski | i suggest you file a bug report with NVIDIA |
| 04:41.54 | nite613_ | :( okay will do |
| 04:42.03 | uski | give them the URL to the pastebin, and some info about your system (video card used, kernel version, ...) |
| 04:42.12 | uski | if you can keep the system as it is now, keep it |
| 04:42.20 | Akuw | http://www.pastebin.ca/980665 |
| 04:43.00 | uski | Akuw, my knowledge about compiz is very limited and outdated, but I think you might need to enable the Composite option somewhere |
| 04:43.06 | uski | i'm really not sure about this though |
| 04:43.21 | uski | when you start compiz it should tell you what's wrong if anything |
| 04:43.36 | uski | you might just have to configure it to actually do something after installation, maybe the default setup is not to do anything |
| 04:43.43 | Akuw | http://www.pastebin.ca/980665 there is Composite activated |
| 04:44.07 | uski | doh yea |
| 04:44.27 | uski | my advice: start compiz yourself, try to see if there is any debug parameter, and look what it has to say |
| 04:44.38 | nite613_ | uski: I'm running a core2duo, do I need a different kernel than -686? |
| 04:44.55 | Supaplex | !lart sneezes |
| 04:44.55 | dpkg | burns sneezes to a crisp with a laser |
| 04:45.03 | uski | nite613_, I am running -686 right now on a centrino duo, with a NVIDIA kernel module (that might not be the latest one) |
| 04:45.20 | nite613_ | well lucky you! ;) |
| 04:45.21 | uski | 2.6.24-1-686 << the one im using |
| 04:45.21 | nite613_ | okay |
| 04:45.21 | Supaplex | uski: -686 is okay. you could use amd64 |
| 04:45.30 | uski | NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 100.14.23 Thu Oct 4 10:16:34 PDT 2007 |
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| 04:45.38 | uski | Supaplex, amd64 ? |
| 04:45.45 | uski | it's not an amd; i'm confused |
| 04:45.46 | Supaplex | !amd64 |
| 04:45.47 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. It also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64. For flash on amd64, ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
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| 04:46.02 | uski | oh yea; you mean a full 64bits distro |
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| 04:46.07 | Supaplex | right |
| 04:46.12 | uski | i'm afraid of doing this,i'm afraid some drivers or software won't work |
| 04:46.23 | uski | especially non-free stuff such as wireless drivers |
| 04:46.28 | uski | but it might be an unjustified fear |
| 04:46.47 | uski | i used to know more but these days i'm mostly a stupid user than a power user :) |
| 04:47.21 | Supaplex | I have desktop. I don't use flash, but other than that, everything works fine for me. I have gnash installed, and it does some things (not videos) |
| 04:48.30 | uski | oh yea i heard about some problems with flash... |
| 04:48.52 | uski | i didn't feel any need to install a 64bits distro |
| 04:48.57 | uski | im not sure it increases the performance |
| 04:49.15 | uski | as long as i can compile my kernel with my two CPUs simultaneously, i'm happy :D |
| 04:49.35 | uski | (CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 make-kpkg ....) |
| 04:50.03 | Supaplex | go for it :) |
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| 04:51.27 | saas | hi. what does it mean if make doesnt find this: /lib/modules/2.6.18-4-k7/build |
| 04:52.07 | uski | it means that you need to install the linux-headers package |
| 04:52.12 | uski | for your current kernel |
| 04:52.56 | saas | i see thanks |
| 04:53.01 | uski | :) |
| 04:53.26 | uski | haha i find myself here helping people and i don't even remember why i came here in the first place |
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| 04:53.52 | uski | oh yea |
| 04:53.55 | uski | my timestamp is screwed up |
| 04:54.15 | uski | i'm in the Los Angeles timezone, it is 9:53pm but date returns: |
| 04:54.24 | uski | Thu Apr 10 14:52:16 PDT 2008 |
| 04:54.28 | uski | ... |
| 04:54.46 | uski | and /etc/timezone contains America/Los_Angeles which is correct |
| 04:54.52 | nite613_ | uski: In case you care, here's the backtrace: http://pastebin.org/28930 |
| 04:55.17 | saas | i found a lot of linux-headers packages. but non is this ..18-4-k7 |
| 04:55.22 | uski | ok...i forgot you can't have the debugging symbols for the NV module so it's useless to me :D |
| 04:55.34 | uski | but it will be useful for the NVIDIA people |
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| 04:55.49 | saas | which linux headers to install? I can't choose |
| 04:56.12 | uski | saas: what does uname -a returns ? |
| 04:56.26 | uski | the 3rd value |
| 04:56.44 | saas | yeah. this is the very 2.6.18-4-k7 |
| 04:56.54 | saas | for which i see no package |
| 04:57.31 | uski | maybe it's too old ? i don't know :/ |
| 04:57.38 | uski | you definitely need the headers for this kernel |
| 04:57.43 | uski | but i can't tell you why they are not there |
| 04:58.03 | saas | i shoudl change the kernel ? |
| 04:58.15 | saas | to 2.6.18-6-k7 ? |
| 04:58.23 | uski | well, you can install a newer one for which there are the header packages |
| 04:58.32 | saas | yeah! |
| 04:58.35 | uski | this might break any third party driver you have installed (you might have to reinstall it) |
| 04:58.45 | saas | i aint got any such :) |
| 04:58.49 | uski | (such as the NVIDIA proprietary driver if you built it with their utility) |
| 04:58.49 | uski | ok |
| 04:59.10 | saas | how to exchange this kernel to ....-6-k7 ? |
| 04:59.18 | saas | just a package install? |
| 04:59.28 | uski | yea |
| 04:59.29 | uski | :) |
| 04:59.36 | saas | let's see |
| 04:59.43 | uski | if you try to install the linux-headers for which you don't have the linux kernel it will install the kernel too |
| 04:59.53 | uski | (isn't that fantastic) |
| 05:00.04 | saas | oh. cool :) |
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| 05:00.53 | uski | don't remove the old kernel until you are sure the new one works |
| 05:00.58 | uski | (just to be safe) |
| 05:01.07 | saas | good. I will not |
| 05:01.20 | saas | ok, reboot now |
| 05:01.26 | daave | Hi all. May I ask a OT question here? How to change an exist mailing list's name in mailman? Thanks. |
| 05:01.39 | saas | thank you very much uski |
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| 05:06.11 | enouf | !k7 dropped |
| 05:06.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, k7 dropped is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 05:06.12 | nite613_ | uski: I just read on an official nvidia forum that 1.0-8776 is no longer supported, and likely too old for my card. Is there an updated modules package in unstable? |
| 05:06.47 | uski | i have no idea, i always install the module manually with the NVIDIA installer |
| 05:06.57 | uski | that's probably not debian-compliant, but... it works |
| 05:07.07 | nite613_ | I think I'll try that then before I file a bug |
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| 05:10.10 | uski | nite613_, of course |
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| 05:14.09 | zeno_ | Im trying to install java, ive tried sudo apt-get install -f, and sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin, but niether work. heres apt output: http://pastebin.com/m497af469 |
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| 05:18.22 | optraz | hi, what is the meaning of number that associate with the package means? |
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| 05:18.54 | bookmark | hello |
| 05:19.28 | bookmark | i try to mount a dvd and ubuntu livecd edition tells me that unknown filesystem 'udf' |
| 05:19.40 | bookmark | does anyone know what i can do? |
| 05:20.05 | uski | modprobe udf ? or something like that |
| 05:20.13 | uski | you need a kernel module |
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| 05:21.07 | bookmark | : ( |
| 05:21.09 | bookmark | that blows |
| 05:21.41 | bookmark | i think ill just reboot to vista, and mount ext2 somehow from there, i'm sick of this crap |
| 05:21.50 | rootlinuxusr | fs-driver.org |
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| 05:23.39 | lachlan_ | hello does anybody know if i can upgrade to debian by just altering my apt sources list? |
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| 05:25.45 | cahoot | upgrade from? |
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| 05:26.56 | uski | i love how people expect instant answers |
| 05:27.11 | uski | like we are all waiting for questions and jump on our keyboards to answer |
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| 05:28.36 | linuxjones513 | hello |
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| 05:29.34 | uski | hello |
| 05:30.39 | linuxjones513 | anyone know anything about the win tv-hvr 1600? |
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| 05:32.01 | linuxjones513 | i cant get it to work, because linux hates me |
| 05:32.23 | maxu | linux does not hate you |
| 05:32.24 | uski | if it's a PCI card, is it detected by lspci ? |
| 05:32.41 | uski | don't expect people to know the specifics of your card, but we can surely provide you with general troubleshooting information |
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| 05:33.23 | linuxjones513 | i think this is it, 00:09.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant Unknown device 5b7a |
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| 05:34.03 | r0b | anyone know why a dvd burner would mount cds but not dvd data disc or movies |
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| 05:34.50 | nikos | hi. |
| 05:35.21 | r0b | i try to mount a dvd and i get no medium found |
| 05:35.29 | nikos | I have problems with lenny's system clock since the dayligth saving changes. |
| 05:36.17 | linuxjones513 | i went to hauppauge's website and downloaded the beta driver and installed it, and it gave me a bunch of errors because the kernel isnt new enough, so i dont know what to do |
| 05:36.24 | nikos | I am having windows installed too so I have the hwclock (BIOS) clock set to local time. |
| 05:37.05 | nikos | In /etc/default/rcS I have the following line: |
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| 05:37.11 | nikos | UTC=no |
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| 05:37.39 | nikos | ...which from what I found says to debian that the bios clock is set to local time |
| 05:37.55 | Riotblade | Hey, is there any way for me to set ulimit -n for a user since I can't execute that command with the user itself? |
| 05:39.18 | nikos | Yet when the system starts it tells me "Unable to set system clock" in a time 2 hours bigger than the bios clock (I live in GMT+2) which shouldn't happen (UTC=no in rcS) |
| 05:39.52 | nikos | And when the system starts the clock is set to 2 hours later than the bios clock |
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| 05:41.13 | nikos | With some digging around I found the error I get on boot comes from the following init script: |
| 05:41.29 | RickedRoger | Check out my ad! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/tag/638144159.html (quick before they flag!) |
| 05:41.47 | nikos | /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh or /etc/init.d/hwclockfirst.sh |
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| 05:42.12 | nikos | Can anyone help me to set my clock to localtime and not to get that error on boot? |
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| 05:46.23 | streuner | !set time |
| 05:46.24 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 05:49.39 | mateusz | HI |
| 05:49.45 | mateusz | I have a problem with initramfs |
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| 05:50.00 | mateusz | After upgrade it broke my system and its not booting |
| 05:50.19 | mateusz | I am on livecd, mounted lvm |
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| 05:50.41 | mateusz | but its not booting with diffrent yaird tool |
| 05:50.47 | mateusz | any help how to fix it? |
| 05:52.17 | Decepticon | anyone use vlc-nox, where is it located and how to use it what is the manpage and what is the usage, i cannot find it on my system even though i have it installed, dpkg -l vlc-nox |
| 05:52.58 | mateusz | Any help ? |
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| 05:53.57 | mateusz | ? |
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| 05:54.23 | dimir | Morning! |
| 05:54.30 | Nyle | 1:54am |
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| 05:54.41 | mateusz | I am on livecd, mounted lvm |
| 05:55.01 | mateusz | After upgrade initramfs broke my system and its not booting |
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| 05:55.05 | mateusz | any help ? |
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| 05:55.10 | nikos | dpkg: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata allows to change only my time zone (which is already correct) and in /etc/default/rcS I have a line UTC=no. That's why I find very strange that the bios clock differs from the system clock! And the fact I am getting an error during boot about "Unable to set system clock to xxxxx" where xxxxx = bios_clock + 2 which is even stranger! |
| 05:55.10 | dpkg | that's too long, nikos |
| 05:55.24 | dimir | [08:54] <Nyle> 1:54am |
| 05:55.58 | streuner | !listauth nikos |
| 05:55.58 | dpkg | factoid author list by 'nikos' returned no results. |
| 05:56.08 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 05:56.08 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 05:56.23 | mateusz | streuner :( |
| 05:56.28 | icesword | haha |
| 05:56.29 | optraz | version |
| 05:56.33 | optraz | hi, what is the meaning of number that associate with the package means? |
| 05:56.38 | mateusz | upgrading to latest initramfs-tools broke my system |
| 05:56.39 | streuner | !geeksmite icesword |
| 05:56.39 | dpkg | puts icesword into a world of microchips |
| 05:56.40 | mateusz | any help |
| 05:56.42 | mateusz | ? |
| 05:56.54 | nikos | <blootbot> |
| 05:57.00 | mateusz | upgrading to latest initramfs-tools broke my system |
| 05:57.01 | mateusz | any help |
| 05:57.03 | mateusz | ? |
| 05:57.07 | streuner | nikos: /msg dpkg blootbot |
| 05:57.13 | uski | hmmm i feel like i already seen that |
| 05:57.17 | uski | omg they are upgrading the matrix |
| 05:57.23 | uski | mateusz, are you an agent ? |
| 05:57.25 | icesword | streuner, hey,what ;s wrong |
| 05:57.26 | mateusz | uski ni |
| 05:57.30 | streuner | nikos: <foo> stand for a factoid in dpkg's db |
| 05:57.31 | uski | ;P |
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| 05:57.59 | mateusz | uski I am tryinf to fix my system |
| 05:58.20 | mateusz | uski but all I can is boot live and chroot |
| 05:58.34 | mateusz | uski initramfs looks like its broken all the time |
| 05:58.36 | uski | what do you mean by "broke my system" |
| 05:58.39 | uski | what happens |
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| 05:58.58 | uski | is there any error message displayed ? is there anything special about your system ? |
| 05:59.04 | mateusz | uski something is missing in initrd |
| 05:59.07 | nikos | streuner: I have no idea what a factoid in dpkg's dp is :( |
| 05:59.11 | uski | mateusz, what ? |
| 05:59.14 | mateusz | uski its not mounting root file system |
| 05:59.17 | uski | i mean, i can't guess what's happening |
| 05:59.24 | streuner | nikos: a simple entry, info |
| 05:59.24 | uski | ok, do you use a stock kernel or did you build your own ? |
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| 05:59.33 | mateusz | uski both |
| 05:59.35 | nikos | I just want to set my system clock :| |
| 05:59.54 | uski | mateusz, can you try with a kernel you build with all the required filesystem and device drivers built into the kernel ? |
| 05:59.55 | streuner | nikos: /msg (message) dpkg (bot) foo (factoid) |
| 05:59.59 | mateusz | uski but after i run update-initramfs on all kernels, another one also does not boot |
| 06:00.26 | mateusz | uski I dont built-in most of modules |
| 06:00.28 | uski | mateusz, i have no idea what's wrong with your initrd but by using a kernel with everything you need built into you should be able to boot |
| 06:00.44 | uski | well, build a kernel with builtins so that you can boot and fix that mess |
| 06:00.47 | streuner | nikos: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 06:01.03 | ArcAiN6 | i have a quick question for you guys.. how would i go about creating a " button " in the applications menu for /usr/share/foo/foo.sh |
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| 06:01.30 | mateusz | uski disk driver is builtin, but I use lvm2 |
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| 06:01.57 | uski | mateusz, then build support for lvm2 and the filesystems you're using into the kernel and try again |
| 06:02.26 | mateusz | uski how to support lvm2 from kernel? |
| 06:02.31 | mateusz | uski dm-mod ? |
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| 06:03.36 | uski | im not sure :/ sorry |
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| 06:03.46 | uski | i'd just run make menuconfig and build everything i think is useful |
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| 06:08.20 | malifal | hello, I need to report a bug, but exim4 just wouldn't work for me, so can someone help me in posting the bug |
| 06:08.49 | ArcAiN6 | how would i go about creating a " button " in the applications menu for /usr/share/foo/foo.sh? i've tried to do it through the " Alacarte Menu Editor " but it's not working.. is it possible to start a sh script using a button in the applications menu? (i'm not used to using the gui, so i've no idea where to start with this) |
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| 06:10.45 | nikos | streuner: ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:11.07 | nikos | I am on lenny, all updates |
| 06:11.19 | streuner | nikos: why do you use unstable if you have problems to set the time? |
| 06:11.31 | streuner | or testing in that case |
| 06:11.44 | nikos | streuner: I hadn't before. I have now |
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| 06:13.01 | streuner | nikos: read /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh |
| 06:13.23 | nikos | and besides I know about the date --set command, the /etc/default/rcS file and how to set the timezone |
| 06:13.48 | yang | nikos: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ? |
| 06:13.54 | blackinside | Hello |
| 06:14.00 | nikos | yang: Yes. |
| 06:14.09 | streuner | yang: that's what we told him before... |
| 06:14.14 | nikos | streuner: OK, my proble is on line 107 |
| 06:14.21 | yang | streuner: i follow just the last few lines |
| 06:14.43 | nikos | streuner: if /sbin/hwclock --hctosys $GMT $HWCLOCKPARS $BADYEAR $NOADJ; then |
| 06:15.20 | r0b | anyone know why a dvd burner would mount cds but not dvd data disc or movies, when i try to mount the dvd i get no medium found |
| 06:15.47 | streuner | tried another DVD? |
| 06:15.54 | r0b | yep a few |
| 06:15.58 | yang | r0b: are you sure that its a DVD burner (could be a CD) |
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| 06:16.09 | r0b | yes |
| 06:16.26 | nikos | streuner: from the man page: hctosys: Set the System Time from the Hardware Clock. |
| 06:16.29 | sep | r0b, yes it's not a very uncommon fault that a cd/dvd looses either cd or dvd while the other works |
| 06:16.48 | streuner | nikos: and the HW clock is ok? |
| 06:17.00 | yang | r0b: it could be the drivr issue with your dvd burner, i have one that reads DVDs but not CDs |
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| 06:17.16 | meglaw | i donnt get xauth |
| 06:17.17 | nikos | I can't understand why does this command doesn't run on line 107 and I get the error "Unable to set system clock" on line 114 |
| 06:17.30 | r0b | so would i need a better driver or maybe a firmware upgrade would fix? |
| 06:17.45 | yang | r0b: maybe the linux driver doesn't support it |
| 06:17.54 | r0b | mine is a liteon sohw-812s |
| 06:17.58 | streuner | nikos: nikos: so read "man hwclock" and try it by hand |
| 06:18.06 | nikos | streuner: On bios setup is OK. I don't understand what you mean exactry.. |
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| 06:18.32 | mateusz | ~heh |
| 06:18.33 | apt | heh |
| 06:18.43 | hatter | how do stop shorewall from overwriting dmesg with its logs ? |
| 06:18.44 | mateusz | anyone has problem with initramfs ? |
| 06:18.48 | lea_w | Quick licensing/cdrkit-vs-cdrtools question: Is non-GPL free software not allowed in Debian? http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ says "we never questioned if [the CDDL] is free or not" but they still forked. Any enlightenment on what was going on there? |
| 06:18.49 | mateusz | after upgrade?? |
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| 06:19.19 | dondelelcaro | lea_w: the issue is that CDDL isn't GPL compatible, so the resultant work is not distributable |
| 06:19.37 | dondelelcaro | lea_w: that, coupled with the fact that the upstream of cdrecord is Schilling, compelled a fork. |
| 06:19.54 | lea_w | dondelelcaro: So does Debian require everything to be GPL(-compatible)? *confused* |
| 06:20.04 | lea_w | dondelelcaro: I thought any free (OSI approved) license was OK. |
| 06:20.08 | shivamib | folks, a little help here. what should i look for in dmesg if my box starts to boot up erratically |
| 06:20.19 | shivamib | (its not overheating) |
| 06:20.23 | nikos | streuner: I tried hwclock --show and got "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" |
| 06:20.26 | nikos | any idea? |
| 06:20.45 | streuner | nikos: cat /proc/version |
| 06:21.05 | nikos | Linux version 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 06:21.09 | dondelelcaro | lea_w: No; any DFSG license is OK. However, the resultant binary must be distributable, which it is not in the case of things which are part GPL, part CDDL. |
| 06:21.18 | streuner | nikos: we need the whole output |
| 06:21.29 | nikos | Linux version 2.6.24-1-686 (Debian 2.6.24-5) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080308 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-21)) #1 SMP Thu Mar 27 17:45:04 UTC 2008 |
| 06:21.35 | dondelelcaro | lea_w: the clause after the comma in my first statement is the key issue here (which is explained in the message you quoted) |
| 06:21.37 | lea_w | dondelelcaro: Oh I see, it's mixing licenses. Thanks for the explanation! |
| 06:22.12 | streuner | nikos: what does BTS say about? |
| 06:22.36 | nikos | streuner: ok I am checking the BTS... |
| 06:22.39 | dondelelcaro | lea_w: mixing licenses is fine so long as they are compatible, like Expat+GPL, FE. |
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| 06:23.08 | streuner | nikos: aptitude install apt-listchanges apt-listbugs - btw |
| 06:23.46 | nikos | streuner: I didn't know that... thanks :) |
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| 06:25.22 | shivamib | should i just pet it the oldskool way? |
| 06:25.49 | shivamib | it's _been_ solving it for a limited amount of time... |
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| 06:27.48 | dondelelcaro | shivamib: booting eratically how? |
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| 06:27.57 | shivamib | its like, rebooting |
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| 06:28.08 | dondelelcaro | "like rebooting?" |
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| 06:28.25 | shivamib | yeah, 'pi', cmos screen, you fail |
| 06:28.26 | shivamib | etc |
| 06:29.01 | shivamib | usually after it happens it always resets on the gnome bootup |
| 06:29.30 | shivamib | i'm just wondering what to look for in the logs |
| 06:30.37 | afink | Anyone have a link that could help me out with debian recognizing my ipw2200BG wifi card? |
| 06:31.28 | nite613_ | uski: Still here? Latest nvidia installer driver worked |
| 06:31.30 | nikos | streuner: apt-listbugs -s all list linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 06:31.40 | nikos | I can't find anything relevant... |
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| 06:32.24 | shivamib | dondelelcaro: i think it's trying to tell me it's about to die :| |
| 06:32.56 | streuner_ | nikos: what happens if you use "date" to set the time? |
| 06:34.06 | nikos | streuner: nice question I forgot... Yesterday I did that: |
| 06:34.07 | nikos | date --set '10/04/2008 21:52' |
| 06:34.27 | nikos | and the date was correct. But on reboot everything was lost... :| |
| 06:35.06 | lea_w | nikos: hwclock working? |
| 06:35.32 | nikos | hwclock --show ----> "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" |
| 06:35.41 | streuner_ | nikos: are you sure the battery is ok? |
| 06:36.06 | nikos | does that mean it doesn't work? But on bios it's ok. And battery is ok too (if I unplug my PC time is not lost) |
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| 06:38.57 | nikos | streuner: I know it sounds crazy but even though I have UTC=no in rcS the time is always +2 from the bios time (I live in GMT+2) |
| 06:39.20 | streuner_ | nikos: and you are using Dual-Boot? |
| 06:39.29 | nikos | streuner: Yes |
| 06:39.43 | heymr | how can I revert from Lenny back to Etch? |
| 06:39.51 | nikos | streuner: On your system (if you don't mind) what does 'hwclock --show' say? |
| 06:39.55 | streuner_ | heymr: you can't |
| 06:39.58 | dondelelcaro | heymr: downgrades aren't supported. |
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| 06:40.03 | sep | heymr, backup- reinstall - restore, you can't simply downgrade packages. |
| 06:40.31 | streuner_ | apis:/etc/init.d# hwclock --show |
| 06:40.31 | streuner_ | Fr 11 Apr 2008 08:40:22 CEST -0.161753 seconds |
| 06:40.45 | streuner_ | Fr 11. Apr 08:40:44 CEST 2008 |
| 06:41.07 | Hoxzer | heymr: Lenny is almost as stable as ETCH |
| 06:41.09 | dondelelcaro | nikos: what does TZ=UTC sudo hwclock --utc; and TZ=UTC sudo hwclock --local; say? what does date; and date -u; say? |
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| 06:41.22 | dondelelcaro | Hoxzer: it's not, unfortunatly. |
| 06:41.29 | |amen| | //j #blender |
| 06:41.32 | heymr | dondelelcaro: sep: streuner_: my idea was to put only Etch repos in my sources.list and update a few times. |
| 06:41.35 | dondelelcaro | (it's constantly changing, though it's likely to work at any moment in time) |
| 06:41.39 | dondelelcaro | heymr: that won't do anything. |
| 06:41.53 | heymr | dondelelcaro: oh ok |
| 06:42.17 | streuner_ | heymr: apt(titude) just use (ignore) latest sources.list entries... |
| 06:42.52 | streuner_ | (ignore older entries (etch)) |
| 06:43.15 | nikos | streuner: date works as expected, But hwclock always results in "sudo hwclock --local" |
| 06:43.26 | nikos | sorry |
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| 06:43.29 | nikos | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 06:44.13 | nikos | Either a bug or an error on hwclock (But on bios and on dual boot the clock is ok) |
| 06:44.16 | nikos | ?? |
| 06:44.55 | heym1 | i can't get jack to work, I was hoping maybe Etch would work with it |
| 06:45.32 | heym1 | I don't know what program is using my hw:0 channels. Jack can't start cause something else uses it. |
| 06:46.44 | heym1 | Also it says: p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory |
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| 06:47.33 | mateusz | uski, I am back |
| 06:47.33 | hatter | does dmesg get written to on boot at the same time as syslog ? |
| 06:47.44 | streuner_ | nikos, dondelelcaro: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/9303 |
| 06:47.49 | mateusz | uski, I did as you said and now /init: mount: command not found |
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| 06:48.03 | mateusz | uski, but when I boot with init=/bin/bash I get into the shell |
| 06:48.22 | dondelelcaro | nikos: you need to use the hwclock --directisa option then, and add it to /etc/default/rcS |
| 06:48.31 | mateusz | uski, and not custom kernel image works |
| 06:48.34 | dubd | off-topic: I have a USB device that identifies as "SPS-25" with some version, manufacturer and more info..(Its an audio interface). Can I modify that information via software? |
| 06:48.44 | dondelelcaro | nikos: it's HWCLOCKPARAMS or something iirc; double check /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh for the right name |
| 06:48.47 | mateusz | dubd, no |
| 06:49.07 | mateusz | dubd, you cant change manufacturer info |
| 06:49.18 | dondelelcaro | well, no general software; it's possible that you can change it depending on the hardware, though |
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| 06:49.35 | dondelelcaro | (and doing that is way out of our scope) |
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| 06:49.59 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, I have a problem with initramfs after upgrade |
| 06:50.05 | nikos | dondelelcaro: I found too something about directisa. Thanks for the advices (saves me some time) I will try and report back :) |
| 06:50.07 | dubd | mateusz: I have a driver that works for other interface (UA-25), but they are exactly the same. I think that if I make the SPS-25 identify as a UA-25, I can use it with that driver. |
| 06:50.34 | dubd | mateusz: then I need to modify the driver to recognize an SPS-25.. that would work? |
| 06:50.34 | mateusz | dubd, change driver than |
| 06:50.43 | dondelelcaro | mateusz: what problem in particular? |
| 06:50.52 | dubd | mateusz: sadly it isn't open source :( |
| 06:51.07 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, when I boot I get /init: mount: command not found |
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| 06:51.18 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, before it couldnt load root fs |
| 06:51.27 | dubd | mateusz: thanks :) |
| 06:51.41 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, so I compiled in lvm support (dm) and disk drivers |
| 06:51.49 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, but looks like mount is missing somehow |
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| 06:52.01 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, when I try init=/bin/bash now I can get in to the shell |
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| 06:52.11 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, before I could not |
| 06:53.04 | dondelelcaro | mateusz: why are you building your own kernel? |
| 06:53.58 | dondelelcaro | mateusz: and what type of initrd is this? |
| 06:54.12 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, initramfs ? |
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| 06:55.56 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, I am building my own to use procesor features and kvm, finally to make it faster and use specyfic cpu idle govermen and add hdsp patch (hard driver shock protection) for lenovo laptops |
| 06:56.36 | HSorgYves | i want to setup TSIG for bind; I have the ARM in front, but they do not mention where to store the keys |
| 06:56.40 | dondelelcaro | mateusz: then you should start with the Debian kernel config and build all of the modules, since you've quite clearly left some important ones out. |
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| 06:57.14 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, the kernel worked fine |
| 06:57.15 | dondelelcaro | mateusz: and once you've done that and built it using the initrd option of make-kpkg and are still having problems, show us your initramfs.conf |
| 06:57.36 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, after upgrading initramfs-tools it does not boot |
| 06:57.58 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, more over, old kernel did but I my mistake did update-initramfs -u -k all |
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| 06:58.34 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, so also another kernel stoped booting |
| 06:58.34 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; so show us your initramfs.conf |
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| 07:01.31 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, http://cannibal.kaduk.net/~mateusz/initramfs/ |
| 07:01.54 | dimir | rewt! |
| 07:02.45 | streuner | mateusz: please use in future paste.debian.net in order to paste stuff, thanks. |
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| 07:05.28 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, after init=/bin/bash I can manualy mount all partitions without any problems |
| 07:05.51 | dondelelcaro | mateusz: and what's the precise error that you were getting? |
| 07:06.18 | extor | The new knoppix 5.3 DVD is just awesome |
| 07:06.20 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, /init: mount: line 9 or 11 (not sure with line) command not found |
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| 07:08.05 | nikos | dondelelcaro: Thanks for your advice about directisa. The error on boot went away |
| 07:08.05 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, well Ill can try to take a photo |
| 07:08.13 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, brb |
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| 07:09.00 | nikos | dondelcaro: I would need some other help too about clocks... |
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| 07:09.22 | streuner | !+tell nikos -about ask |
| 07:09.24 | dpkg | told nikos about ask. |
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| 07:10.03 | streuner | and please ask not a certain user, only the channel |
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| 07:10.53 | nikos | OK streuner |
| 07:11.02 | nikos | I will ask the channel |
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| 07:11.12 | streuner | (you dont have a support contract with dondelcaro) |
| 07:11.15 | dondelelcaro | nikos: best to just ask |
| 07:11.29 | nikos | cat /etc/default/rcS | grep UTC |
| 07:11.29 | nikos | UTC=no |
| 07:11.35 | streuner | fine |
| 07:11.42 | streuner | !setting time |
| 07:11.42 | dpkg | hmm... setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
| 07:11.46 | nikos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:12.37 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, setting time is <reply> see set the time |
| 07:12.38 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 07:12.39 | nikos | 13:09 |
| 07:12.39 | nikos | date -u +%H:%M |
| 07:12.39 | nikos | 10:10 |
| 07:12.39 | nikos | why? |
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| 07:13.41 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, http://cannibal.kaduk.net/~mateusz/screen/ |
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| 07:13.54 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, all errors I get |
| 07:13.59 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, initramfs worked before |
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| 07:14.32 | nikos | I have been kicked anyway, I had set UTC=no yet date != date -u which should't happen, why? |
| 07:14.52 | dondelelcaro | nikos: that has nothing to do with date == date -u; date -u is the time in utc, date; is the time in your timezone. |
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| 07:15.14 | dondelelcaro | nikos: all UTC=no is specifying whether the system clock is kept in UTC time or not. |
| 07:15.19 | streuner | mateusz: cat /proc/version |
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| 07:15.57 | nikos | OK how can I say to debian that my hardware clock is set to local time and not to UTC time? |
| 07:16.04 | dondelelcaro | mateusz: ok, run mkdir tempdir; cd tempdir; gzip -dc /boot/yourinitramfs|cpio -i; or similar. then ./bin/sh; mount; |
| 07:16.13 | dondelelcaro | nikos: you've already done that. |
| 07:16.28 | dondelelcaro | nikos: now you just need to set your system clock properly. |
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| 07:17.05 | dondelelcaro | since it's 07:17:05, not 10:10. |
| 07:17.12 | nikos | oops :) you are right |
| 07:17.19 | nikos | my bad... |
| 07:17.37 | streuner | a simple thanks is enough :-/ |
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| 07:17.51 | nikos | thanks a lot all of you! :D |
| 07:17.58 | dondelelcaro | mateusz: since the sh in the initrd is busybox, it has mount built-in, so you really shouldn't be getting the error that you're seeing. |
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| 07:18.47 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, what is or similar ? |
| 07:19.07 | dondelelcaro | mateusz: and this is #472519, which has already been reported, so you should upgrade to the newest version of busybox and rebuild your initrd. |
| 07:19.08 | evilsporkman | i'm trying to run a 32-bit, statically linked binary under my 64-bit system. it starts up and runs fine, but it can't seem to access the network -- complains that it can't resolve hosts. it is using libcurl for the failing HTTP requests. is this expected behavior? |
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| 07:19.28 | dondelelcaro | evilsporkman: /etc/resolv.conf probably isn't configured properly. |
| 07:19.34 | nikos | Does the fact that I have to use directisa qualify as bug with the latest linux kernel or not? |
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| 07:19.55 | streuner | nikos: if you would run pure Debian |
| 07:19.55 | dondelelcaro | nikos: it's a problem in rtc, but not really worth filing. Someone will probably fix it soon enough. |
| 07:20.13 | evilsporkman | dondelelcaro: so true. i thought dhcp was supposed to get that right |
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| 07:20.30 | dondelelcaro | evilsporkman: if dhcp is configured properly it should, but... |
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| 07:20.46 | nikos | I run pure debian. Should I report it or not? |
| 07:20.50 | streuner | no |
| 07:21.00 | nikos | OK |
| 07:21.10 | dondelelcaro | nikos: not really worth it; it's so minor and will be fixed by kernel upstream when they get around to it |
| 07:21.27 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, ok I am in busybox |
| 07:21.28 | dondelelcaro | (new hardware sometimes needs --directisa even though the manpage leads you to believe that you wouldn't) |
| 07:21.34 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, after command you wrote |
| 07:21.36 | dondelelcaro | mateusz: yeah, mount; probably doesn't work. |
| 07:21.56 | evilsporkman | dondelelcaro: don't tell me i'm so old that /etc/network/interfaces is now wrong |
| 07:21.57 | dondelelcaro | mateusz: so you need to upgrade to the newest version of busybox which fixes #472519. |
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| 07:22.05 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, also other commands like sed etc.. |
| 07:22.16 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 472519 |
| 07:22.17 | nikos | Maybe my problem is that my hardware is old (p4, 5 years old) although I am very satisfied with it... |
| 07:22.22 | dpkg | DONE:#472519:[busybox] init:157: printf not found; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:42:22 UTC |
| 07:22.38 | dondelelcaro | notes that if you're running unstable, *now* is the time to become familiar with the BTS |
| 07:22.48 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, i just upgraded but to another revision from -1 to -2 |
| 07:22.59 | mateusz | I mean a few seconds ago |
| 07:23.02 | streuner | dondelelcaro: _and_ with google... |
| 07:23.16 | dondelelcaro | mateusz: it's fixed in -2, not in -1; you need to rebuild your initramfs, since they have a copy of busybox on them. |
| 07:23.35 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, ok did.. I'll check it later, thanks |
| 07:23.39 | streuner | nikos: read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 07:23.44 | mateusz | dondelelcaro, have to go to school now:P |
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| 07:28.20 | [Pacha] | Hi, any with lvm experiences, i have a trouble with my lvm .. device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table |
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| 07:28.25 | nikos | I am running unstable for about a year now and any breakage that occasionaly occurs I solve it myself. Well except this one where I had to ask here and you have been really helpfull. I think my problem wasn't obvious (for me at least). |
| 07:29.09 | dondelelcaro | it's ok; asking here is fine always. We're just going to point you at the documentation too |
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| 07:29.45 | nikos | Well I agree - documentation is always good - and debian has plenty of it :) |
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| 07:32.07 | streuner | hm, more than expected :-/ |
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| 07:39.21 | cybermad | i test telnet localhost 25 |
| 07:39.33 | cybermad | please someone... lol, how do i exit from it? |
| 07:39.54 | cybermad | i tried exit, quit, CTRL+ESC, CTRL+C, CTRL+X no luck! |
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| 07:40.40 | toki | ctrl + } |
| 07:40.43 | toki | i mean ] |
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| 07:41.22 | streuner | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 07:41.34 | cybermad | ahhh :) |
| 07:41.36 | cybermad | thanks |
| 07:41.50 | behrad | did any one know web directory that is free software? |
| 07:42.12 | tarzeau | freshmeat.net? |
| 07:42.15 | tarzeau | gnu.org has one too |
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| 07:44.21 | behrad | tarzeau, what its name? |
| 07:45.03 | streuner | cybermad: that's CTRL(STRG) ] |
| 07:45.40 | behrad | tarzeau, i want install a web directory for job |
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| 07:54.56 | patrick-- | hey, how come my find always returns exitcode 0, even though there is no result? |
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| 07:55.21 | sep | patrick--, becouse find sucessfully found that there is no match ? |
| 07:55.30 | patrick-- | seems so |
| 07:55.43 | chlam | i successfully found your sister in my bedroom |
| 07:56.01 | ronr | I try to make a backup of a directory to a usb harddisk with rsync, however it contains many files and rsync goes out of memory (that is a known issue), is there an alternative program I can use to make the backup? |
| 07:57.43 | gboilidus | hello, this is getting pretty annoying, in almost every distribution i install i cant set my desktop to 1024x768, so im stucked at 800x600, debian was the exception when i made the default debian etch cd installation, xorg did let me use 1024 res, but now that i reinstalled debian with same cd, i just installed the base system, because i hate gnome, so i installed xorg manually and surprise, stucked at 800x600 again, why in the world this happen? |
| 07:57.54 | gboilidus | btw i installed with debian etch and updated to lenny :) |
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| 07:59.05 | dirkson | Heyo all. What's the Debian tool for adjusting which services start when the computer boots? |
| 07:59.31 | sep | dirkson, debian have several. but personaly i just remove the package if i dont want it |
| 08:00.04 | sep | dirkson, i use update-rc.d but it's a command line tool |
| 08:00.05 | dirkson | *nods* Well, that's certainly an option... However, isn't ideal in my situation. |
| 08:00.08 | ice63 | gboilidus: then do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and set it... |
| 08:00.20 | dirkson | "but"? ^^ Command line tools are better! |
| 08:00.59 | dirkson | sep: Thanks |
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| 08:03.43 | frido | Hi, what happens if is executed only that - without " " of course... "/etc/init.d/reboot" (with no argument) ? |
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| 08:04.47 | pythonic | how do i set a user password in a script? |
| 08:05.06 | pythonic | i.e. noninteractively |
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| 08:07.58 | toki | frido: afaik, it will printout list of arguments |
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| 08:09.23 | RudyValencia | Hello, I'm trying to get an onboard Realtek RTL8139 working with Debian Etch. |
| 08:09.50 | sdiz | modprobe 8139too |
| 08:10.01 | RudyValencia | When I do ifconfig eth0, I get "eth0: error fetching device information: Device not found" |
| 08:10.01 | sdiz | add 8139too to /etc/modules |
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| 08:11.19 | RudyValencia | sdiz: I did |
| 08:11.30 | RudyValencia | It's not activating for some reason |
| 08:11.58 | fluxdude | how do I find out the last time apt-get update was run, not so much the command, but the time of the last cache update by whatever means? |
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| 08:12.07 | fluxdude | it must be recorded somewhere with the metadata, right? |
| 08:12.24 | mne | Hi, does anyone of you have kerberos with NFSv4 running ? I would like to set up a kerberos KDC. However, I would like to use it without DNS. Any hints ? |
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| 08:17.08 | RudyValencia | I have an onboard RTL8139 that won't work with Debian etch, what's going on? |
| 08:18.16 | patrick-- | is it possible to rewrite a email sender name with "mutt" ? |
| 08:18.19 | fluxdude | mne: without dns? why? dns should be used with everything, it's the standard. Other than that you can put in IP addresses if your server ips aren't going to change, which is preferable in that you then don't rely on dns |
| 08:18.36 | RudyValencia | It's being detected by the 8139too driver, but eth0 isn't showing up. |
| 08:18.37 | fluxdude | patrick--: I've been trying to figure out that exact same thing, so far no luck... |
| 08:18.48 | patrick-- | gnah |
| 08:19.02 | fluxdude | patrick: I ended up sending smtp protocol myself, otherwise you have to use some programming language library... |
| 08:19.14 | fluxdude | smtplib in python is a fine choice. |
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| 08:20.53 | RudyValencia | :( |
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| 08:21.44 | zwerg | Hi. |
| 08:22.05 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:22.30 | RudyValencia | I have an onboard RTL8139 that I'm trying to get to work in Debian etch. It's being detected by the 8139too driver, but eth0 isn't showing up. Why is it not working? |
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| 08:23.24 | fluxdude | RudyValencia: driver problem, check that you're using the right driver, lsmod etc |
| 08:23.39 | fluxdude | does nobody know how to find the time of the last apt-cache update? |
| 08:23.56 | RudyValencia | I don't know which driver to use (8139cp or 8139too) |
| 08:24.15 | zwerg | I want to patch a debian package. Did apt-get source pkg, changed the bits and then? dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 08:24.25 | trevie | RudyValencia: lspci isn't specific? |
| 08:25.01 | tarzeau | zwerg: or debuild |
| 08:25.12 | tarzeau | zwerg: which package? what patch? |
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| 08:25.21 | RudyValencia | lspci says "02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)" |
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| 08:25.40 | zwerg | tarzeau, pkg: weka, patch: my own :) |
| 08:25.46 | zwerg | It's Java stuff. |
| 08:25.48 | pa7iQ | hey, can anyone recommend me a good program with web interface that shows the daily, monthly etc megabytes transfered on a network interface? |
| 08:25.57 | tarzeau | pa7iQ: iptraf? |
| 08:25.58 | toki | pa7iQ: mrtg |
| 08:26.05 | tarzeau | pa7iQ: oh, it's without web interface |
| 08:26.23 | pa7iQ | I want a simple one withouth smnp, rrd |
| 08:26.34 | pa7iQ | and not darkstat :) |
| 08:26.35 | toki | mrtg will work without snmp |
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| 08:26.38 | trevie | RudyValencia: I say... built both modules and try them both. If configured for DHCP make sure it's plugged in and all that. |
| 08:26.44 | RudyValencia | ? |
| 08:26.52 | zwerg | What does -rfakeroot mean for dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 08:26.53 | RudyValencia | I have both ere. |
| 08:27.00 | trevie | RudyValencia: You can use dmesg after loading each module to see what happpens. |
| 08:27.35 | gboilidus | how can i look for a file in the system? |
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| 08:27.49 | RudyValencia | I tried 8139cp - it says "This (id 103c:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip" and suggests using 8139too |
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| 08:28.04 | gboilidus | lets say i want to look where an specific xorg driver is located, how can i make an automatic search |
| 08:28.05 | RudyValencia | 8139too seems to detect it |
| 08:28.08 | toki | gboilidus: "locate filename" or "find / - name filename" |
| 08:28.11 | wilsonicus | hey what package to I need to apt-get so I can "man fscanf" etc |
| 08:28.13 | RudyValencia | but I don't get an eth0. |
| 08:28.21 | wilsonicus | I want standard c lib reference |
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| 08:28.34 | trevie | RudyValencia: The device isn't created at all? |
| 08:28.37 | patrick-- | fluxdude: ive got it |
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| 08:28.41 | patrick-- | check http://www.acoustics.hut.fi/~mara/mutt/profiles.html |
| 08:28.47 | zwerg | RudyValencia, Tried ``ifconfig eth0 up''? |
| 08:28.57 | RudyValencia | zwerg: yes |
| 08:29.20 | Trevie | RudyValencia: Does dmesh indicate than any device names were created? |
| 08:29.28 | RudyValencia | No. |
| 08:29.33 | gboilidus | toki locate its a feature of gnome or anything else? beacause i dont have it |
| 08:29.55 | RudyValencia | When I run "ifconfig eth0 up" I get: "eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device" |
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| 08:30.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | (hopefully) quick nfs question: I like NFS, I've got the kernelspace server, I apparently have the version that's in Sid that was backported to Etch. Unfortunately it gets kind of testy when copying files that are larger than say... 500 megs, and will very rarely copy anything over 1 gig. |
| 08:30.39 | Trevie | RudyValencia: My Debian is a little rusty. Do you see any eth* devices when you try "ifconfig -a"? |
| 08:30.49 | Blast_Hardcheese | Has anyone experienced this problem or have some tips on how to fix it? |
| 08:31.08 | RudyValencia | I see an eth1 as my 8139 |
| 08:31.26 | Trevie | RudyValencia: Try it. |
| 08:31.31 | Blast_Hardcheese | I just tried to copy a 2.2 gig directory full of MP3s and it died. |
| 08:31.33 | toki | gboilidus: you sure you dont have it? /usr/bin/locate ? |
| 08:31.37 | wilsonicus | hey what package to I need to apt-get so I can "man fscanf" etc. I am missing all of the standard c library man pages and system calls. |
| 08:31.40 | tarzeau | Blast_Hardcheese: so what? use rsync |
| 08:31.51 | tarzeau | Blast_Hardcheese: it'll continue at where it died? |
| 08:32.03 | toki | gboilidus: if not you can just use "find / -name filename" |
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| 08:32.14 | gboilidus | toki yes im sure |
| 08:32.17 | RudyValencia | Trevie: "ifconfig eth1 up": "eth1: link down / ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready" |
| 08:32.19 | Blast_Hardcheese | tarzeau: Right, But the fact that I can't use NFS to do anything more than trivial is a problem. |
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| 08:32.42 | gboilidus | toki i just installed the base system, without gnome or X and stuff, maybe its a gnome tool? |
| 08:32.47 | tarzeau | Blast_Hardcheese: well, why did it die? |
| 08:33.14 | Blast_Hardcheese | tarzeau: I actually have no idea, NFS hangs up all processes associated with it when it eats it though |
| 08:33.16 | Trevie | RudyValencia: Is it plugged in? Configured? |
| 08:33.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | so I can't check |
| 08:33.20 | toki | gboilidus: locate is included even with netinstall |
| 08:33.34 | RudyValencia | Trevie: I have the network cable plugged in but I don't know what's going on here. |
| 08:33.35 | tarzeau | Blast_Hardcheese: either your nfs server or your network sucks? |
| 08:33.44 | tarzeau | Blast_Hardcheese: we also got lotsa NFS here, no such problems |
| 08:33.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | tarzeau: NFS server, Network is good |
| 08:34.03 | tarzeau | Blast_Hardcheese: debian? freebsd? solaris? |
| 08:34.06 | gboilidus | toki well i dont have it :) |
| 08:34.12 | Blast_Hardcheese | It's being loopback mounted over localhost, there's very little that can be wrong with the network there :) |
| 08:34.17 | Blast_Hardcheese | tarzeau: Debian Etch |
| 08:34.31 | toki | gboilidus: ah sorry i have no idea, use "find / -name filename" instead |
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| 08:35.18 | gboilidus | toki but i want to look for files, that will look just directories :( |
| 08:35.19 | RudyValencia | I'm frustrated here. |
| 08:35.20 | wilsonicus | if anyone needs to know manpages-dev is what I was looking for thanks! |
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| 08:35.24 | RudyValencia | I should be done with this already. |
| 08:35.28 | mactimes | gboilidus: You can also try: find / -name "*partofthename*" |
| 08:35.58 | gboilidus | i already tried that, but without the "", shoul i use the ""? |
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| 08:36.25 | Trevie | gboilidus: You can use -iname instead of -name for case-insensitive searching. |
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| 08:36.47 | Trevie | gboilidus: And the double quotes are for enclosing the asterisks. An alternative would be \*partofthename\* |
| 08:36.56 | Trevie | RudyValencia: That network error is really vague. |
| 08:37.22 | Trevie | To me, anyway. |
| 08:37.24 | Blast_Hardcheese | tarzeau: I might be running NFSv4, which I wouldn't think would be stable enough at this point. |
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| 08:37.49 | tarzeau | Blast_Hardcheese: nfs 4 sure is old enough to be stable enough |
| 08:38.14 | Blast_Hardcheese | I thought NFSv4 was the new one |
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| 08:40.05 | Penix | newer |
| 08:41.02 | Trevie | RudyValencia: Are there any other ethX devices? |
| 08:41.15 | RudyValencia | Trevie: No. |
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| 08:41.42 | gboilidus | i know theres a way to get a file from the internet by console, how is it :=? |
| 08:41.47 | adv | does debian do log rotation ? |
| 08:41.58 | RudyValencia | gboilidus: wget |
| 08:41.58 | Penix | adv: yes. look in /var/log oneday |
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| 08:42.27 | gboilidus | RudyValencia and how can i specify where to put it? |
| 08:42.53 | pa7iQ | ahhh, at last! I was looking for this one: http://www.sqweek.com/vnstat/ |
| 08:43.17 | Trevie | RudyValencia: I'm out of ideas. Everything I can find is clearly not the problem you are experiencing. |
| 08:44.04 | RudyValencia | I don't know what it is. |
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| 08:47.08 | eromero | anyone knows what package creates /lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686/build ? |
| 08:47.33 | ted_ | hello I have a question:I want to burn some files, which are actually named pipes. When I try this with genisoimage, it literally burns those named pipes, but it does not ask for their contents. How can I do this? |
| 08:47.35 | Penix | something like a headers or source package I'd assume |
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| 08:49.14 | patrick-- | http://phpfi.com/309085 |
| 08:49.28 | patrick-- | hey, can someone tell me whats wrong with this script? |
| 08:49.32 | patrick-- | the comparison operator? |
| 08:51.15 | zwerg | patrick--, if [ $FOO == bar ] |
| 08:51.38 | gboilidus | if i have a .deb package how can i instal it? |
| 08:51.46 | zwerg | dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 08:51.46 | dpkg | package foo.deb is already installed |
| 08:52.01 | patrick-- | line 11: [: ==: unary operator expected |
| 08:52.09 | patrick-- | @ zwerg |
| 08:52.16 | MrMopi | dpkg -i --force-all foo.deb |
| 08:52.16 | dpkg | removes a kidney from mrmopi and replaces it with --force-all foo.deb |
| 08:52.51 | pinto3 | lol |
| 08:53.02 | Penix | zim! |
| 08:53.43 | R1ck | http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2008/04/09/image/%5Bnerd%20joke%5D%20Analogies.jpg |
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| 08:54.03 | zwerg | patrick--, Could you show the whole line again? |
| 08:55.37 | zwerg | palomer_, if [ "$FAX" == "" ] |
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| 08:55.47 | zwerg | meh |
| 08:55.53 | zwerg | patrick--, of course |
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| 09:00.05 | tengulre | R1ck: lol |
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| 09:01.49 | tengulre | R1ck: have next one? |
| 09:02.02 | a_run | is there a way to reset the permissions for /var/lib/* ? |
| 09:02.09 | a_run | i thnk i did something stupid |
| 09:02.11 | a_run | :( |
| 09:02.27 | a_run | i have apache/postfix/samba/php/mysql installed |
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| 09:02.52 | a_run | changed permissions for /var/lib/{mysql,php5} |
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| 09:03.59 | a_run | this is what i have now: http://pastebin.com/d3658aa42 |
| 09:04.31 | a_run | is that fine ? |
| 09:04.48 | SlayerXP | a_run: restore from your backup |
| 09:04.59 | a_run | don;t have a backup of /var/lib |
| 09:05.08 | a_run | :( |
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| 09:05.22 | gboilidus | the only way to configure xorg in debian is by "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"? because xorgconfig dont work. |
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| 09:05.49 | pa7iQ | gboilidus: you can configure xorg.conf by hand.. |
| 09:07.48 | icesword | gboilidus, you running testing or sid? |
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| 09:09.15 | gboilidus | icesword testing |
| 09:09.49 | icesword | yaaa,what is your sources.list?only testing one ?or |
| 09:10.03 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 09:10.53 | gboilidus | icesword i installed etch base system from the cd, changed the sources.list and mad "dist-upgrade", so yes i have just "testing" in the sources.list |
| 09:11.22 | pbn | Hello, how do I set in aptitude that a particular package must *never* be installed ? |
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| 09:13.13 | gboilidus | icesword why were you asking then? |
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| 09:13.17 | Penix | pbn: /msg dpkg hold |
| 09:18.42 | gboilidus | how can i uninstall former versions of kernels? i mean the kernels of etch, i upgraded to lenny |
| 09:18.56 | Penix | gboilidus: the same way you do with any package |
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| 09:19.48 | gboilidus | Penix yes but i mean its the kernel, how can i uninstall it with aptitude? |
| 09:20.07 | Penix | gboilidus: the same way you do with any package |
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| 09:20.26 | Penix | gboilidus: remove linux-image-foo-whatever |
| 09:20.42 | gboilidus | Penix what foo means? |
| 09:20.52 | Penix | oh ffs |
| 09:21.12 | gboilidus | im serious |
| 09:21.12 | Penix | gboilidus: dpkg --get-selections |grep linux-image, figure out which ones you don't want, then apt-get remove them |
| 09:21.18 | Penix | I know. that's the scary part |
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| 09:22.49 | gan | system is not shuuting down if i give init 0, it is saying system halted , why? |
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| 09:23.36 | Penix | gan: why can't you just use halt -p or something like a normal person? |
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| 09:25.25 | gboilidus | Penix i dont know too much english, i know less about english jargon :) |
| 09:25.54 | gan | Penix, if i want to do some edit where should i have to do |
| 09:26.17 | Penix | gboilidus: ok. that's cool |
| 09:26.19 | Penix | !foo |
| 09:26.19 | dpkg | hmm... foo is probably the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. See <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html> and <bar>, also read RFC3092. |
| 09:26.36 | Penix | gan: what? |
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| 09:26.46 | gan | Penix, previously if i run the command init 0 it goes to poweroff |
| 09:26.56 | Penix | gan: why are you using init to shutdown? |
| 09:27.13 | Penix | gan: you're supposed to use shutdown or half or poweroff |
| 09:27.16 | gan | Penix, i want to rectify the error |
| 09:27.24 | Penix | gan: the error is you using init to shutdown |
| 09:27.47 | gan | Penix, whats the wrong with that |
| 09:27.49 | Penix | gan: we wouldn't know what's going on, since its your system and you've probably changed something |
| 09:27.55 | Penix | gan: it's not intended use |
| 09:28.47 | gan | Penix, you tell me which script is taking care of shutting down the pd |
| 09:28.49 | gan | Penix, you tell me which script is taking care of shutting down the pc |
| 09:29.18 | Drum | Wanna earn money ?Or if u wanna get ircop hack u can find everything here - click here ----> http://white.hopto.org/ |
| 09:29.25 | Penix | !ops Drum is a spammer |
| 09:29.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: penix complains about: Drum is a spammer |
| 09:29.43 | Drum | Wanna earn money ?Or if u wanna get ircop hack u can find everything here - click here ----> http://white.hopto.org/ |
| 09:29.47 | tengulre | anybody here since using iscsi? |
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| 09:29.58 | Penix | gan: init is what's actually doing everything, but you're supposed to use 'shutdown' or 'halt' |
| 09:30.02 | Penix | Drum: go away, moron |
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| 09:30.15 | chlam | Drum: eat goats |
| 09:30.16 | ApEtc | haha |
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| 09:32.05 | pbn | hm in what package is oggenc ? Sorry but aptitude search oggenc yields nothing... |
| 09:32.37 | Penix | pbn: vorbis-tools |
| 09:32.56 | |amen| | i have etch, i tryed to upgrade to lenny, i make apt-get update than upgrade next to have changed apt sources.list, next reboot, and i have new kernel...but i have errors, so i reboot and use old kernel, and now i got errors from apt-get update |
| 09:33.08 | gan | Penix, i ran althose commands it is throwing the error as "system halted" |
| 09:33.42 | Penix | gan: have you upgraded or rebuilt your kernel recently? |
| 09:33.58 | Penix | gan: and is this a working ATX system? |
| 09:34.11 | gan | Penix, no., i just checked my smart card |
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| 09:34.59 | gan | Penix, for that purpose i added a scipt under /etc/init.d/ --- then i removed |
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| 09:36.39 | gan | Penix, it is a intel system |
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| 09:37.33 | dustybin | i need to rebuilt the initrd for my kernel, am i right in thinking that i could just do a simple |
| 09:37.39 | dustybin | dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.22.1 ? |
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| 09:38.46 | gboilidus | dustybin i dont know to much, but i dont think is that easy :) |
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| 09:40.38 | Penix | dustybin: update-initramfs IIRC |
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| 09:42.05 | MoDaX | dustybin: if you used make-kpkg --initrd for building it |
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| 09:42.26 | MoDaX | dustybin: otherwise it's update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.22.1 |
| 09:42.28 | dustybin | i need to recompile kernel without CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND |
| 09:42.57 | Penix | dustybin: then you'll need to actually rebuild the kernel if that's a builtin, non-modular option |
| 09:43.06 | Penix | dustybin: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't do that |
| 09:43.10 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 09:43.38 | dustybin | Penix: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ <-- ill go through this |
| 09:44.01 | Penix | dustybin: yeah. perfect |
| 09:44.07 | dustybin | :D |
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| 09:44.45 | clmar | hi |
| 09:44.45 | dustybin | Penix: have you ever built a custom kernel on debian? |
| 09:44.49 | randomnumber | hello all - may I know if it is possible to install nvidia cards on lenny? i've been googling and nothing is working... i already did 7 reinstalls.. |
| 09:45.04 | dustybin | randomnumber: use non-free repos |
| 09:45.06 | clmar | there is a tool to see the occupation of the directory on filesystem from the shell? |
| 09:45.16 | Penix | dustybin: only time I ever use a non-custom, stock kernel is when I'm lazy after an install |
| 09:45.17 | dustybin | ls |
| 09:45.32 | Penix | clmar: you mean, find out which directory you're currently in? |
| 09:45.34 | randomnumber | dustybin: i am using non free repos |
| 09:45.44 | Penix | dustybin: section 4.3 of that guide looks like what you want |
| 09:45.45 | dustybin | randomnumber: apt-cache search nvidia |
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| 09:46.02 | randomnumber | dustybin: i even tried this |
| 09:46.03 | dustybin | randomnumber: dont forget to put in 'nvidia' in xorg |
| 09:46.09 | randomnumber | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 09:46.13 | clmar | Penix: I've 90% of my disk filled I want to search what's that fills it (big files, logs caches ecc) |
| 09:46.25 | dustybin | Penix: aye ill take a look |
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| 09:46.33 | Penix | clmar: oh. CLI or GUI? |
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| 09:47.47 | cvn | hi is there a way to restrict user accounts to access only 1 out of 2 ips in the server? |
| 09:47.56 | Penix | clmar: du and df on the command line and baobab for Gnome (might be apart of gnome-utils now I think) |
| 09:47.58 | randomnumber | dustybin: is this still true: Testing users: NVIDIA packages are currently not in testing due to lack of maintainance, a Linux bug and X server 1.4's ABI change. |
| 09:48.25 | Penix | randomnumber: I think so |
| 09:49.12 | randomnumber | penix: this was so so long ago, i am tired of reinstalling and reinstalling ... |
| 09:49.32 | Penix | why are you reinstalling? |
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| 09:51.07 | clmar | Penix: exactly something like baobab du and df I know them but I was searching something that helps me :) |
| 09:51.25 | Penix | cvn: huh? stop every user on a system from creating outbound connections over a particular interface/IP? or inbound? |
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| 09:51.56 | randomnumber | penix: multiple errors i cant remember now partially because of broken dependencies that happen everytime I try to install nvidia graphics through this method: >http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 09:52.25 | Penix | randomnumber: that doesn't mean you need to reinstall |
| 09:52.34 | Penix | you're just choosing to waste time |
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| 09:53.35 | cvn | hi is there a way to restrict user accounts to access only 1 out of 2 ips in the server? |
| 09:53.42 | randomnumber | penix: please expound |
| 09:55.03 | randomnumber | ok i will try again then try to list down the errors i encounter if you promise to help me? |
| 09:55.16 | sChaaa | FREE TIBET ! |
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| 09:55.21 | Penix | sChaaa: be quiet |
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| 09:55.36 | goodspeed | tibetans were bandits in the history |
| 09:55.55 | unop | sChaaa, sure, we're all chinese dictators in here and will do as you wish. |
| 09:55.56 | dondelelcaro | tibet and/or china isn't on topic here. |
| 09:56.06 | streuner | !politics |
| 09:56.06 | dpkg | somebody said politics was Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 09:56.08 | goodspeed | tibetans took your food and didn't pay a penny |
| 09:56.10 | dondelelcaro | #politics is where you should go if you care about it |
| 09:56.36 | goodspeed | because they had higher rank than you |
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| 09:57.22 | dondelelcaro | goodspeed: please use the next 10 minutes to locate #politics and remind yourself of what is on topic for #debian |
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| 10:02.59 | themill | !tell xenosoz_ about root |
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| 10:03.38 | mne | Hi guys. Is someone familiar with kerberos ? I'm trying to set up kerberos with nfs4. My KDC runs any everything looks fine, however, my keytab doesn't seem to work. Any hints ? I would like to run kerberos without DNS. Is this even possible, or is a DNS with cname records required so that kerberos can do reverse lookups ? |
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| 10:04.40 | mne | The exact error I get is: rpc.svcgssd[744]: ERROR: GSS-API: error in gss_acquire_cred(): Unspecified GSS failure. Minor code may provide more information - No principal in keytab matches desired name |
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| 10:05.49 | DaveDorm | good morning |
| 10:06.09 | DaveDorm | I have a boggle... I let the debian installer do the partitions |
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| 10:06.25 | DaveDorm | I let it create separate /, /var, /usr, and /tmp |
| 10:06.32 | Lagbolt | whats up |
| 10:06.34 | DaveDorm | now I am out of space on them.... |
| 10:06.43 | DaveDorm | oh it's you again, Lagbolt |
| 10:06.47 | DaveDorm | heh... |
| 10:06.48 | dirkson | Bloody stupid iptables. I've installed it, made the mistake of using a gui to enable it, and now I can't figure out how to get rid of it. It doesn't appear to list in the running processes, so I can't kill it. I can't disable it from running at startup with rcconf... How do I open my box back up? |
| 10:06.54 | Lagbolt | lol DaveDorm what installer did you use |
| 10:07.00 | Lagbolt | it hasnt tried to do that to me in ages |
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| 10:07.04 | DaveDorm | Debian's NetInst |
| 10:07.08 | Lagbolt | etch? |
| 10:07.13 | DaveDorm | yeah |
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| 10:07.30 | Lagbolt | hmm well maybe they stopped after that. |
| 10:07.36 | DaveDorm | anyway, they are so small that I cannot do a kernel package update and now apt is crapping, too |
| 10:07.45 | Lagbolt | not a lot of options DaveDorm , you can lvm things to make more space |
| 10:07.55 | Lagbolt | resize partitions depending on how things are arranged |
| 10:07.56 | Lagbolt | add drives |
| 10:08.06 | Lagbolt | what are you running out of space on? |
| 10:08.14 | DaveDorm | I always had good luck with QTParted |
| 10:08.37 | DaveDorm | ... /var is full, /usr and /tmp are at like 98% |
| 10:08.41 | Lagbolt | DaveDorm, assume you have run a apt-get clean and removed old logs in var |
| 10:08.55 | DaveDorm | not yet |
| 10:08.59 | Lagbolt | how big is your tmp mount |
| 10:09.07 | dirkson | Hey all. I've installed iptables, made the mistake of using a gui to enable it, and now I can't figure out how to get rid of it. It doesn't appear to list in the running processes, so I can't kill it. I can't disable it from running at startup with rcconf... Debian doesn't appear to store its init file at /etc/init.d/iptables .... How do I open my box back up? |
| 10:09.13 | Lagbolt | you have to watch var, if you have limited space you may need to delete package cache and logs |
| 10:09.31 | Lagbolt | you want to disable your IPTABLES dirkson ? |
| 10:09.32 | DaveDorm | 375MB is /tmp |
| 10:09.40 | Lagbolt | god that is tiny |
| 10:10.00 | Lagbolt | if you copy a dvd or something with k3b you would have to reconfigure lol it uses tmp |
| 10:10.02 | dirkson | Lagbolt: Very much so. |
| 10:10.14 | Lagbolt | there is a way to clear |
| 10:10.15 | Lagbolt | hang on |
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| 10:10.46 | Lagbolt | DaveDorm, try resizing or lvm otherwise i suggest install fresh using single partition |
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| 10:10.56 | dirkson | Lagbolt: Ah! I'll just have them remove it! Haha! |
| 10:10.56 | DaveDorm | Lagbolt: yeah |
| 10:11.08 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 10:11.11 | DaveDorm | not sure how to make it lvm without reinstalling |
| 10:11.29 | DaveDorm | downloading newest Knoppix, it has QTParted |
| 10:11.41 | DaveDorm | should be able to do something |
| 10:11.43 | Penix | DaveDorm: create a partition, make it an lvm volume, then create a tmp logical volume |
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| 10:12.07 | DaveDorm | which logs can go? |
| 10:12.12 | Lagbolt | Penix, he needs space to make one tho lol |
| 10:12.17 | Penix | ah |
| 10:12.18 | DaveDorm | and how do I make them not so huge? |
| 10:12.26 | Lagbolt | DaveDorm, read up on syslog |
| 10:12.26 | DaveDorm | Lagbolt: /home is 400GB |
| 10:12.34 | Lagbolt | oh you have lots of space in home |
| 10:12.58 | DaveDorm | so I wanna reduce that to 300GB and spread it around with QTParted |
| 10:13.01 | Penix | DaveDorm: how much RAM do you have? |
| 10:13.05 | DaveDorm | that should work |
| 10:13.07 | DaveDorm | 1GB |
| 10:13.07 | Lagbolt | is /home a separate partition? |
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| 10:13.11 | DaveDorm | yes |
| 10:13.33 | Lagbolt | why dont you copy everything to that partition and make it your root partition |
| 10:13.36 | Lagbolt | boot up with that |
| 10:13.39 | Lagbolt | if it works |
| 10:13.43 | DaveDorm | hmm |
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| 10:13.50 | Lagbolt | delete recombine the others for space |
| 10:13.52 | DaveDorm | never thought of that |
| 10:13.59 | Lagbolt | or delete and grow your home to include them all |
| 10:14.06 | DaveDorm | I am askeert to do anything like that... :) |
| 10:14.08 | Lagbolt | or shrink home so you have about 20gb free |
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| 10:14.20 | Lagbolt | make a new 20GB root and copy everything there so you still have a home part |
| 10:14.24 | Lagbolt | make sense? |
| 10:14.39 | DaveDorm | like I said, I have done this in QTParted from a live-cd before |
| 10:14.43 | peleg | hello. I am trying to install a software named "pisa", which is a python software. Their site pointed me to Python's site, and there I have an "egg" to download. Now that I have the egg - what should I do to install the software? |
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| 10:14.56 | Lagbolt | well just make sure you can boot with everything on your home part, |
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| 10:15.32 | Lagbolt | be careful not to delete anything until you know it works |
| 10:15.44 | Lagbolt | davedorm, there is one more solution . . . |
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| 10:16.20 | Lagbolt | get a list of all your installed packages. cat that into a file so you can reinstall them, then delete all parts but home, resize home and reinstall system onto a new single partition |
| 10:16.24 | Lagbolt | reinstall all your packages |
| 10:16.27 | Lagbolt | and mount home |
| 10:16.36 | Lagbolt | gotta jet for a few minutes |
| 10:16.38 | Lagbolt | be back in 10 |
| 10:16.40 | DaveDorm | ok |
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| 10:17.35 | Rienzilla | hey all... |
| 10:17.49 | Hyphenex | in irssi, how do I switch windows? |
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| 10:17.50 | Rienzilla | Is sarge still supported in terms of new security fixes? |
| 10:18.02 | Rienzilla | or should I really upgrade to etch? |
| 10:18.09 | Penix | Hyphenex: ctrl+p/n or /win <number> |
| 10:18.21 | Penix | Hyphenex: or Alt + <num> |
| 10:18.31 | ddalton | how can I stop debian from upgrading two packages I have installed? alpine and libsound2? (and update everything else?) using apt-get update and upgrade and anything else I guess...? |
| 10:18.43 | Penix | ddalton: /msg dpkg hold |
| 10:18.45 | Rienzilla | ddalton: set them on hold |
| 10:18.51 | Hyphenex | Penix: That's awesome :) How do I close an open window? |
| 10:18.59 | Rienzilla | /wc |
| 10:19.02 | Rienzilla | (too bad :P) |
| 10:19.09 | Penix | !prize Rienzilla |
| 10:19.09 | dpkg | gives Rienzilla a beer. |
| 10:19.18 | ddalton | thanks. |
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| 10:19.26 | Rienzilla | hehe |
| 10:20.26 | Hyphenex | Penix: Do I have to /part it manually? |
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| 10:20.36 | Penix | Hyphenex: the channel in a window? |
| 10:20.43 | Penix | Hyphenex: you'll part if you close it |
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| 10:20.53 | Hyphenex | Penix: how do I close it? |
| 10:21.22 | ddalton | so aptitude hold pkgname will hold that package for ever? will it remember that? |
| 10:21.24 | Penix | Hyphenex: like Rienzilla said, /wc for the current open/focused window or /win close <num> |
| 10:21.47 | Penix | ddalton: yes. until you tell it otherwise |
| 10:21.59 | Hyphenex | Thanks :) |
| 10:22.15 | ddalton | cool. so when bugs have been fixed in these updates is it unhold or something? |
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| 10:23.07 | ddalton | will aptitude hold <pkgname> also work for apt-get ? |
| 10:23.08 | Penix | ddalton: no. it's on hold. you've instructed the system to ignore the particular package when it comes to upgrades etc. |
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| 10:23.37 | Penix | apt and all the rest don't know about bug fixes. they just know there's a new version available, but you don't want it |
| 10:23.56 | ddalton | ok so both apt-get and aptitude will ignore it? and when I am ready for it to be updated how can I tell the system that? |
| 10:24.14 | Penix | ddalton: yes. both |
| 10:24.16 | Penix | !unhold |
| 10:24.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, unhold is echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections |
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| 10:28.16 | jamesgc | how to install only vmware-vdiskmanager tools without officially vmware program in debian? |
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| 10:29.53 | pinto3 | maybe --ignore-depends |
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| 10:33.17 | spoown | Hello all !! |
| 10:33.17 | DustyDingo | hi, i want to create a bootable usb-stick with a network install image |
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| 10:33.42 | Lagbolt | hi spoown |
| 10:33.42 | DustyDingo | the tutorial states, that i should install the kernel image and initrd.gz from the debian archive |
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| 10:34.17 | DustyDingo | can anyone provide a link, for those files? |
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| 10:35.31 | Lagbolt | omg this horse is bringing this guy a beer fromthe fridge |
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| 10:36.03 | Penix | wow. you're about 15 years too late |
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| 10:36.17 | ddalton | how do I unhold stuff? it screws it all up with dependencies will just handle manually... |
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| 10:36.44 | Penix | !unhold |
| 10:36.44 | dpkg | somebody said unhold was echo packagename install | dpkg --set-selections |
| 10:36.52 | SnarceZ | hi all, I've a problem with gnome and the desktop resolution |
| 10:37.47 | SnarceZ | in xorg.conf I have some desktop resolutions that gnome doesn't permit me to choose |
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| 10:38.52 | gynterk | does wget gets many files as argumets? |
| 10:38.59 | gynterk | like wget file1 file2 file3 etc? |
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| 10:39.23 | Penix | gynterk: yes |
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| 10:39.45 | SnarceZ | T_T |
| 10:39.50 | maligor | I wonder what's with lsusb, I can only see all devices as root |
| 10:41.44 | chlam | holy dogs with penises |
| 10:41.52 | chlam | fast and the furious: tokyo drift = hax |
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| 10:42.42 | Lagbolt | maligor, maybe you are not a member of the groups you need to be |
| 10:43.04 | maligor | mm.. what group would it be? |
| 10:43.20 | Lagbolt | um i dont know for sure but i would assume plugdev |
| 10:43.28 | Lagbolt | but you might google it to find out :) |
| 10:43.31 | Lagbolt | brb |
| 10:43.34 | maligor | the only things I don't see is a empia dvb-t dongle and a Spyder2 |
| 10:43.42 | maligor | input stuff show up fine |
| 10:43.52 | maligor | and the roots |
| 10:44.06 | Lagbolt | maybe those are not accessible by your user? |
| 10:44.07 | Lagbolt | no idea |
| 10:44.08 | Lagbolt | brb |
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| 10:45.44 | maligor | mm.. the usbfs shows same permissions for all device in there |
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| 10:48.12 | gynterk | Penix, how many files? |
| 10:48.15 | gynterk | i have 8000 |
| 10:48.19 | gynterk | :) |
| 10:49.24 | SlimeyPete | you can do "wget -r" to grab an entire directory |
| 10:49.40 | SlimeyPete | otherwise you'll be limited to about 256 files I imagine, unless you use xargs |
| 10:49.42 | themill | gynterk: you can use an input file with the list of things to wget (-i, I think) |
| 10:50.00 | themill | gynterk: or use xargs |
| 10:50.18 | themill | gynterk: apart from anything, you'll have the bash line limit to contend with. |
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| 10:53.26 | gynterk | themill, how does input file work? |
| 10:53.31 | gynterk | each link on new line? |
| 10:53.41 | gynterk | or csv? |
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| 10:53.58 | themill | gynterk: One per line, Or it can be an html file with lots of <a href="blah"> links in it |
| 10:54.08 | Agiofws | is back (gone 00:01:23) |
| 10:54.19 | themill | !tell Agiofws about away |
| 10:54.31 | gynterk | thanks, themill |
| 10:54.50 | Agiofws | is away: [A]giofws |
| 10:55.04 | Penix | Agiofws: turn that off |
| 10:55.09 | rks | i wanna change the IP address of my computer |
| 10:55.16 | rks | how i can do that |
| 10:55.30 | gynterk | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:56.31 | rks | and how to change the MAC address |
| 10:56.42 | ddalton | rks: I'm blind and having trouble following... Will message you privately. ok? |
| 10:57.10 | rks | ok |
| 10:57.11 | gynterk | rks, why would you like to change mac ? |
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| 10:57.23 | rks | just for knowledge |
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| 10:57.28 | gynterk | yeah, right |
| 10:57.47 | liable | mr cynical |
| 10:57.55 | gynterk | :) |
| 10:58.07 | rks | so can u tell me gynterk |
| 10:58.31 | ddalton | ok... make it static... so change the line with dhcp in it to static and then below add the required info. eg. adress 192.168.1.101 ... |
| 10:58.47 | ddalton | do broadcast, network, gateway and perhaps others... |
| 10:58.53 | ddalton | let me know if you want to see mine... |
| 10:58.54 | gynterk | rks, not about chaning mac, sorry |
| 10:59.11 | Lagbolt | rks i can tell you |
| 10:59.21 | rks | plz tell |
| 10:59.23 | gynterk | it's against internet ethics' |
| 10:59.33 | gynterk | btw |
| 10:59.44 | Lagbolt | rks, add this to the interface you want |
| 10:59.45 | liable | man ifconfig |
| 10:59.55 | Lagbolt | hwaddress ether 00:04:E2:79:B3:FF |
| 10:59.56 | Lagbolt | for example |
| 11:00.02 | Lagbolt | in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:00.06 | themill | as long as your driver supports that |
| 11:00.29 | rks | just wait |
| 11:00.38 | Lagbolt | rks, dont know if it will work with network manager or anything . . .they get pissed if you edit interfaces i think |
| 11:00.58 | rks | i want to change the mac address of my internet connection |
| 11:01.21 | rks | i am using GPRS connection |
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| 11:01.27 | |-Nitro-| | Hi! I'm new at Linux and have installed Debian Etch with kernel 2.6.18-6 now. But I want to upgrade the kernel to 2.6.23.. I've followed these directions: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/compiling-linux-kernel-26.html but when I reboot, I get an kernel panic! Does anyone know about an another description on how to install kernel 2.6.23 that works ? |
| 11:02.12 | gynterk | |-Nitro-|, if you are new at linux then compiling kernel isn't a good idea |
| 11:02.15 | Lagbolt | rks, never used that before but if it is an interface in interfaces . . . |
| 11:02.23 | gynterk | kernel panics are usually caused of misconfiguration |
| 11:02.35 | gynterk | use your old kernel conf for new one |
| 11:02.39 | rks | no in the interface there is no MAC address |
| 11:02.56 | Lagbolt | rks what? you have to add that line |
| 11:02.57 | vinboy | hi |
| 11:03.05 | vinboy | how do I get the rules file of a particular deb package? |
| 11:03.16 | Lagbolt | rks, more detail please. does your connection show up with ifconfig? |
| 11:03.26 | |-Nitro-| | gynterk: I know :) but I have to learn it sometime anyway. How do I use the old kernel conf for a new one ? As I said, I'm totally new at linux |
| 11:03.39 | Lagbolt | rks, how did you initially configure this connection |
| 11:03.39 | |amen| | need i a unstable to use openal? |
| 11:03.50 | nkuttler | vinboy: from the source package probably |
| 11:04.02 | gynterk | |-Nitro-|, do menuconfig and then load old kernel conf |
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| 11:04.42 | rks | i have configured my connection with "sudo wvdialconf wvdial.conf" |
| 11:04.44 | themill | |-Nitro-|: if you wait a little bit, you'll be able to use the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel. |
| 11:04.48 | rks | and then |
| 11:04.48 | vinboy | thanks nkuttler |
| 11:04.58 | rks | sudo pppconfig |
| 11:04.59 | gynterk | |-Nitro-|, make menuconfig, your old kernel conf should be located in /boot (my is /boot/config-2.6.22-14-generic for example) |
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| 11:05.06 | |-Nitro-| | gynterk: So instead of use: make xconfig, I should use make menuconfig ? |
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| 11:05.15 | rks | in the ifconfig there is no mac address |
| 11:05.16 | gynterk | depends what you like more |
| 11:05.20 | gynterk | I'm used with menuconfig |
| 11:05.23 | Lagbolt | rks, ah well i dont know for sure. google prob has the answer |
| 11:05.30 | Lagbolt | rks can you paste bin ifconfig output? |
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| 11:05.49 | |-Nitro-| | themill: ok:) but I want to do it now since I have big problems getting my wireless and my sound to work :( |
| 11:05.54 | gynterk | you should be able to load old conf via whadever config type |
| 11:06.10 | themill | |-Nitro-|: Ahh... what wireless and what sound chipsets? |
| 11:06.21 | Lagbolt | rks, hang on . . does it use the mac address of your phone? this is via cell phone right? |
| 11:06.23 | rks | can u clear it plz |
| 11:06.27 | nkuttler | rks: hm, a ppp interface isn't really a physical interface... |
| 11:06.31 | rks | ya |
| 11:06.40 | nkuttler | rks: so why should it have a hwaddr? |
| 11:06.41 | rks | ok |
| 11:06.45 | Lagbolt | change it on your phone |
| 11:06.59 | gynterk | because he prolly got HW ban somewhere |
| 11:07.04 | Lagbolt | i think your phone has a hw address |
| 11:07.09 | rks | how lagbolt |
| 11:07.21 | Lagbolt | well i dont know, i am not a cell phone guy :) |
| 11:07.25 | Lagbolt | this is #debian lol |
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| 11:07.35 | nkuttler | does the phone run debian? |
| 11:07.37 | rks | ok |
| 11:07.38 | themill | |-Nitro-|: inux-image-2.6.22-4-686 (and -amd64) are on backports.org. That might be an easy approach. The etchnhalf kernel is actually in etch-proposed-updates already, but I've not yet installed it myself to have a looksie. |
| 11:07.45 | Lagbolt | rks google your phone and hardware address |
| 11:07.52 | gynterk | if you connect via GPRS then HWaddr is in phone |
| 11:08.09 | rks | and how to change the msc address of a network interface |
| 11:08.51 | Lagbolt | rks, what is controlling this connection? |
| 11:09.23 | rks | i am using pon from the Konsol |
| 11:09.47 | Lagbolt | uses bluetooth? |
| 11:09.54 | rks | so dude i am leaving |
| 11:10.11 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 11:10.14 | rks | no i am using usb cable |
| 11:10.37 | rks | can u tell me fast |
| 11:10.41 | rks | plz |
| 11:10.45 | Lagbolt | fast? i have never used it |
| 11:10.56 | Lagbolt | i am trying to learn for ya but it isnt going to be instant lol |
| 11:11.06 | Lagbolt | so you have two HW addresses? |
| 11:11.10 | rks | ok bye |
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| 11:11.12 | Lagbolt | one for phone and one for network connection |
| 11:11.21 | rks | i have to leave |
| 11:11.24 | Lagbolt | later |
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| 11:11.49 | rks | bye and take care all |
| 11:12.35 | cedric3 | hi i have a graphical problem i have a very big icon on the interface i see on xorg.conf i think it's ok can i regenerate the file xorg.conf with the command ? thanks |
| 11:12.58 | Lagbolt | big icon? |
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| 11:13.52 | cedric3 | Lagbolt : i see ont the interface graphical a big icons ( i use gnome) |
| 11:14.24 | Lagbolt | what? that makes no sense |
| 11:14.34 | Lagbolt | everything is large and you cant see the egdes? |
| 11:14.36 | Lagbolt | edges |
| 11:14.46 | cedric3 | Lagbolt : everything is large |
| 11:14.50 | cedric3 | yes |
| 11:15.00 | Lagbolt | if you move mouse to the edge does the screen slide around |
| 11:15.08 | cedric3 | i see on the file xorg.conf and the screnn can do 1400*1050 |
| 11:15.19 | cedric3 | yes |
| 11:15.35 | Lagbolt | so it is not giving you the resolution you want |
| 11:15.41 | Lagbolt | has it ever or did you just put that in there |
| 11:15.43 | cedric3 | yes |
| 11:15.48 | enzo | can someone help me, im trying to install the jpg library so i can used gd in php |
| 11:16.03 | Lagbolt | what is your vid card |
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| 11:16.26 | toki | enzo: just install php-gd |
| 11:16.41 | Lagbolt | cedric3, vid card? |
| 11:16.46 | cedric3 | Lagbolt : 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1) |
| 11:16.46 | cedric3 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:16.56 | enzo | i tried, it says couldnt find package php-gd |
| 11:17.01 | Lagbolt | and you installed nvidia driver? |
| 11:17.04 | cedric3 | Lagbolt : i use a laptop |
| 11:17.13 | toki | enzo: apt-cache search php gd |
| 11:17.42 | cedric3 | yes i was working but when i plug an external screen i have this probleme i unplug this screen but now i have the same problem |
| 11:17.43 | Lagbolt | cedric3, is this a new instal |
| 11:18.07 | cedric3 | Lagbolt : no no it's not a new install |
| 11:18.21 | Lagbolt | cedric3, try installing nvidia-settings and run it and see if you can get the resolution you want |
| 11:18.34 | Lagbolt | i have to run for a few minutes. i will be back shortly if no one has helped. |
| 11:18.51 | enzo | yeah i did a apt-get install php5-gd |
| 11:18.52 | cedric3 | ok thanks i try it |
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| 11:19.04 | enzo | then it installed, but now i took a look at the php-info |
| 11:19.12 | enzo | and jpeg is still not listed |
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| 11:19.49 | enzo | gif and png are but jpeg is not |
| 11:20.20 | themill | did you restart apache after installing php5-gd? |
| 11:20.35 | enzo | yeah, it wasnt running |
| 11:20.41 | enzo | i did a apachectl -k start |
| 11:21.23 | themill | enzo: using the init script is preferred, but that shouldn't be your problem. Are these the debian etch packages? |
| 11:21.40 | enzo | yeah, im running etch rc3 |
| 11:21.52 | themill | I hope you mean r3 not rc3 :) |
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| 11:22.32 | enzo | how would i find that out from the command line |
| 11:22.38 | enzo | on my cd it says rc3 |
| 11:22.40 | enzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.54 | themill | enzo: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 11:23.47 | enzo | it says 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
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| 11:24.16 | zeno_ | Im trying to install java, ive tried sudo apt-get install -f, and sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin, but niether work. heres apt output: http://pastebin.com/m497af469 |
| 11:24.17 | themill | enzo: then that's r3 not rc3, so don't worry :) |
| 11:24.33 | enzo | oh ok ;) |
| 11:24.43 | themill | zeno_: this is not ubuntu. please ask them. |
| 11:25.09 | zeno_ | well apt is the same... but ok |
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| 11:25.24 | enzo | when i try to install the libjpeg from source, and pass in the prefix /usr |
| 11:25.28 | fd12 | do i need inetd running for a LAMP server? |
| 11:25.29 | themill | zeno_: yes, but it's their broken dependencies. |
| 11:25.34 | YodaYoda | zeno_: The repositories are different. |
| 11:25.41 | enzo | its craps out on make install when it tries to create some man directory |
| 11:25.50 | zeno_ | ah didnt know thx |
| 11:26.01 | enzo | if i install with the deault /usr/local, i dont know where it puts the lib files then? |
| 11:26.30 | enzo | i looked in the /usr/local/lib |
| 11:26.37 | enzo | but there are no jpeg ones in there |
| 11:26.54 | themill | enzo: why are you trying to install libjpeg from source? |
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| 11:27.30 | enzo | because the apt-get has not worked, i've been at this problem for quite some time now, and have not been able to fix it |
| 11:28.15 | enzo | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=25198 |
| 11:28.22 | enzo | that is the thread i started |
| 11:29.24 | enzo | is installing from source not advised? |
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| 11:31.43 | Lagbolt | cedric3, any luck? |
| 11:32.26 | themill | enzo: not needed. |
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| 11:33.24 | themill | enzo: hang on... you say in that thread that you recompiled php.... that makes things much more complicated for us to diagnose. |
| 11:33.24 | ma3x_ | i have installed the vera bitstream font why is X not loading it? |
| 11:33.30 | ma3x_ | I have specified the directory in xorg.conf |
| 11:33.32 | Spirit__ | hi, when i insert a CD it gets mounted to /media/[LABEL]. how can i find the "normal" path to it (the one that always stays the same)? |
| 11:33.39 | ma3x_ | when im in kde, it's not available to select it |
| 11:33.50 | enzo | oh i c, well i could clean up and start from scratch, im open to any solution |
| 11:33.57 | themill | !tell ma3x_ about install font |
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| 11:34.30 | toki | Spirit__: /cdrom ? |
| 11:34.43 | ma3x_ | themill, can i fonts from windows? |
| 11:35.03 | themill | ma3x_: of course. As long as the licence for them permits you to do so. |
| 11:35.23 | ma3x_ | themill, someone told me they don't use the same rendering/hinting or i don't know what...' |
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| 11:35.53 | themill | ma3x_: that's true. But that doesn't stop you from using them. |
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| 11:36.10 | ma3x_ | ok thanks |
| 11:36.14 | NetNiet | Hi, I'm with a server behind a cisco pix .. now i in iptstate see that all connection to server have TTL of 120:00:00 ... any idee ?? |
| 11:37.33 | Spirit__ | toki: duh, thanks :) |
| 11:37.35 | themill | enzo: My approach to this would be to get rid of all the libjpeg and php stuff that you've installed yourself and then aptitude reinstall php5 php5-gd libjpeg62 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 11:38.21 | toki | Spirit__: no problem |
| 11:38.54 | enzo | i c, ok thanks i will try that |
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| 11:43.51 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 11:43.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd95 is <WiFiTux> Is there a way I could make Doom 3 run faster? I mean, can I run it in a tty, or somewhere else? |
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| 11:46.21 | mark_s | hi all, it happened to me now tree times, that after a kernel update the system puts the wrong values in /boot/grub/menue.lst. Instead of sda it put in sdc (was right ages ago). Where can i change this? |
| 11:46.56 | simonrvn | same file, plus typo correction |
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| 11:49.01 | fd12 | can i create my own wheel grp? |
| 11:49.04 | fd12 | and add my user to it? |
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| 11:49.55 | simonrvn | why? |
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| 11:51.17 | blackjack-h | hi if i mount like this "mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/drive" how can i unmount it after? and how can i make it accessible to regular users? |
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| 11:52.20 | gynterk | what was the flag for wget that not to download file if already exists in dir? |
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| 11:53.18 | gynterk | nevermind got, its -nc |
| 11:55.04 | fd12 | are there any available tools similar to rkhunter? |
| 11:55.16 | asg | fd12: chkrootkit |
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| 11:56.28 | simonrvn | chkrootkit works better than rkhunter IMO |
| 11:56.45 | simonrvn | also IME |
| 11:57.16 | themill | simonrvn: is that in terms of false positives or false negatives? |
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| 11:57.51 | cyberagent | hi |
| 11:58.01 | cyberagent | where can I find out where my smtp logs are stored. |
| 11:58.02 | cyberagent | ? |
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| 11:58.16 | asg | cyberagent: what mta are you using? |
| 11:58.25 | simonrvn | overall, false positives are about the same |
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| 11:58.56 | cyberagent | asg sendmail |
| 11:59.04 | simonrvn | less distro-specific cruft too |
| 11:59.26 | asg | cyberagent: you installed sendmail but don't know where logs are? You should have stayed with the default installed mta. |
| 11:59.34 | streuner | !sendmail |
| 11:59.34 | dpkg | sendmail is one of the older <Mail Transfer Agents>, configurable using m4 and it's own cf language. If you don't know why you want to use sendmail, consider using <postfix> or <exim> instead. Ask me about <mta comparison> for more information. |
| 11:59.36 | asg | cyberagent: anyway, they are in /var/log/mail* |
| 12:00.54 | cyberagent | asg I want to find out if somebody used my smtp server for sending out mails remotly... fake e-mails. |
| 12:01.04 | cyberagent | asg, and if they did, can I persue them legally? |
| 12:01.23 | simonrvn | that comparison is pretty damn good. the guy very much tried to stay as neutral as possible |
| 12:01.23 | themill | cyberagent: if it's in your logs, then you have a misconfigured mta. |
| 12:01.50 | streuner | simonrvn: guess who did that ;-) |
| 12:01.53 | blackjack-h | hi if i mount like this "mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/drive" how can i unmount it after? and how can i make it accessible to regular users? |
| 12:01.59 | cyberagent | themill, you mean if somebody used my smtp without asking, from a remot distance to send out fake e-mails... ? |
| 12:02.14 | petemc | cyberagent: as root, whats the output of readlink -f `which sendmail` |
| 12:02.55 | streuner | simonrvn: prolly somebody who using sendmail :-P |
| 12:02.58 | Lagbolt | blackjack-h, by all users? |
| 12:03.08 | asg | cyberagent: if you are running an open relay due to a misconfiguration on your part, then in most juristictions you might have a case. Good luck prosecuting anyone though since the abuse will most certainly have come from Zombie hosts. |
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| 12:04.03 | simonrvn | streuner: so? they did a good job. |
| 12:04.04 | themill | cyberagent: You should go and read some more about smtp -- a correctly set up smtp server would not allow a remote user to send out fake emails like that (that would be an open relay and that would be bad). However, it's still possible for someone to send out fake emails claiming to be from your domain without going anywhere near your mta. |
| 12:04.26 | cyberagent | themill, and that is all in the maillogs ? |
| 12:04.49 | blackjack-h | lagbolt to acces to the partition yes, because i already mounted it, but im using xfce and im logged in as regular user, and thunar says that i dont have acces to that dir |
| 12:05.09 | streuner | simonrvn: sure, but new people should be more warned in another language... |
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| 12:05.34 | cyberagent | themill / asg 253M maillog |
| 12:05.39 | themill | cyberagent: If the mail doesn't go through your mta, it won't be in the logs. If it did go through your mta, it will. |
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| 12:05.40 | Lagbolt | blackjack-h, you can set the uid and gid to your user if you like |
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| 12:06.15 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:06.25 | blackjack-h | Lagbolt, but thats in fstab right? |
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| 12:06.38 | simonrvn | themill: no kidding. someone was doing that to my gmail account for a while |
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| 12:06.43 | blackjack-h | or adding it with the mount command? |
| 12:07.02 | cyberagent | themill, mail goes through mta .... |
| 12:07.10 | Lagbolt | blackjack-h, you can also set the umask to set permisions |
| 12:07.10 | Lagbolt | yeah with mount |
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| 12:07.27 | simonrvn | outright using the address as a spam addie... man, did that piss me off |
| 12:07.41 | Lagbolt | blackjack-h, read this http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mount_MS_Windows_partitions_(FAT,NTFS) |
| 12:07.59 | DexterF | so I apt-got (heh) a source deb, modified the src to my likings, now what's next..? dh_make? dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 12:08.08 | blackjack-h | lagbolt ok ill check that |
| 12:08.23 | themill | simonrvn: I get lots of backscatter spam coming through my domain :( I'd be all in favour of domainkeys or spf for solving this if I could come up with a way of actually making one of my domains compliant with that at all ;( |
| 12:08.35 | Lagbolt | DexterF, http://diablo.ucsc.edu/~wgscott/debian/apt-dpkg-ref.html |
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| 12:09.30 | simonrvn | pomail.bom has some nifty SPF script for DNS. i should go back and see if i'm still compliant |
| 12:09.46 | simonrvn | pomailbox.com... (or something) |
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| 12:10.18 | themill | simonrvn: I have lots of users with .forward files (or managed through /etc/aliases). SPF is a nightmare for that ;( |
| 12:10.23 | NotInternat | so a stupid question.. what would be the ball park figure for storage a base debian installaion + mysql binarys and postfix |
| 12:10.30 | simonrvn | then libspfquery-perl's daemon, and a bit of exim magic |
| 12:10.31 | DexterF | Lagbolt: thanks |
| 12:10.32 | NotInternat | assume mysql storage would be elsewhere |
| 12:10.45 | simonrvn | themill: indeed that would be |
| 12:10.47 | NotInternat | would 2-3g be reasonable? |
| 12:11.03 | asg | NotInternat: overkill unless that's going to also contain your mail spool. |
| 12:11.11 | NotInternat | it might |
| 12:11.22 | NotInternat | but even then i wouldnt expect more then a few hundred meg in the mail spool |
| 12:11.51 | asg | NotInternat: 2g won't hurt; storage is cheap these days. |
| 12:11.53 | DexterF | what or who shoudl provide Makefile.in in a src package? build stopped because it's missing |
| 12:12.00 | INternat | not on a VPS it isnt :P |
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| 12:12.01 | cyberagent | asg if I find a ip number what can I do further? |
| 12:12.01 | DexterF | *should |
| 12:12.10 | INternat | thats ok, 2gig will probably surfice |
| 12:12.28 | INternat | im trying to leave as much space for mysql as humanly possible |
| 12:12.43 | asg | cyberagent: you can use google and dig and whois and all sorts of other tools. |
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| 12:13.39 | themill | simonrvn: I'm too happy with postfix to want to change to exim for this... but maybe I'll have to since the postfix people seem to not believe in spf so don't want to support it. |
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| 12:15.15 | simonrvn | themill: oh that sucks, i'd think postfix would support cleanly, probably via some daemon in that /etc/postfix/ file |
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| 12:16.40 | themill | simonrvn: not that I've found without patching it heavily first. And of course it's the *receiving* mta that applies spf rules and the *originating* mta that set the spf rules so the forwarder in the middle can't choose whether or not to comply with them even if the postfix devs don't like spf. |
| 12:17.05 | themill | simonrvn: It needs some envelope rewriting magic to get it to work, and that makes log tracing and debugging things nearly impossible. |
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| 12:17.33 | simonrvn | themill: how sad :/ |
| 12:18.09 | cyberagent | asg yes, but what if I found them a adress, what psoibilty's do I have? |
| 12:18.27 | asg | cyberagent: possibility to do what? |
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| 12:18.40 | cyberagent | asg like sue them? |
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| 12:18.49 | cyberagent | asg legal things ... ? |
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| 12:19.17 | asg | cyberagent: give up. You have very little chance. Or call the local cops to do the investigation for you. |
| 12:19.30 | simonrvn | you sure you found an address? it's likely a bs address |
| 12:19.40 | lunaphyte_ | i've been working on updating an older testing install to etch, and have gotten into some dependency issues - could someone please take a look? cd / |
| 12:19.41 | cyberagent | asg ok imagine that I find them, what legal actions can I take? |
| 12:20.07 | asg | cyberagent: it depends what country your in, what country they are in. If you feel strongly, I'd consult a lawyer. |
| 12:20.19 | lunaphyte_ | http://rafb.net/p/z3QbUg26.html |
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| 12:20.33 | cyberagent | asg i'm residing in NL |
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| 12:21.34 | blackjack-h | Lagbolt, how is the syntax of the "umask" in the mount command? |
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| 12:27.46 | Penix | shame on you |
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| 12:28.39 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
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| 12:29.44 | Lagbolt | hi folken |
| 12:29.48 | Lagbolt | i mean Fox_1_ |
| 12:29.51 | Lagbolt | stupid auto complete |
| 12:29.52 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 12:30.07 | Fox_1_ | :) |
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| 12:34.49 | Lagbolt | what sup |
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| 12:35.16 | blackjack-h | Lagbolt, how is the syntax of the "umask" in the mount command? |
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| 12:35.38 | blackjack-h | because that link you gave me dont work := |
| 12:35.41 | Lagbolt | like -o umask=### depending |
| 12:35.49 | Lagbolt | let me try it on mine |
| 12:35.50 | Lagbolt | brb |
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| 12:36.27 | lunaphyte_ | how do i downgrade libc6 from 2.7-10 to 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5? |
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| 12:36.42 | stew | lunaphyte_: /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 12:36.49 | stew | lunaphyte_: expect it to be a long tedious process |
| 12:36.55 | stew | blackjack-h: umask=222 for instance would be read/execute permissions for all |
| 12:37.01 | stew | blackjack-h: do you understand how a umask works? |
| 12:37.02 | Lagbolt | thats the one! |
| 12:37.03 | Lagbolt | 222 |
| 12:37.21 | lunaphyte_ | oh? that's encouraging. :) |
| 12:37.28 | Lagbolt | mount -t ntfs -o umask=222 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/newdrive/ |
| 12:37.30 | Lagbolt | something like that |
| 12:37.33 | Penix | lunaphyte_: you asked for it ;) |
| 12:37.40 | Penix | !lose lunaphyte_ |
| 12:37.40 | dpkg | lunaphyte_: You Lose. |
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| 12:38.08 | Lagbolt | blackjack-h, i have been using ntfs-3g for a while now. it is very nice. gives good write support if you want it |
| 12:38.54 | blackjack-h | blackjack-h, oh thats a pcakage or a flag ot -t? |
| 12:39.01 | aNOOBis1 | how can I call a binary file in a daemon with an option needing a config file? |
| 12:39.14 | aNOOBis1 | I am using the debian skeleton provided |
| 12:39.27 | Penix | my head just exploded |
| 12:39.34 | stew | aNOOBis1: what? |
| 12:39.37 | asg | gives Penix some glue |
| 12:39.47 | lunaphyte_ | yeah... i have an older system that's running testing and hasn't been updated in some time, so i'm working on getting it updated to stable - but i guess at some point fairly recently, before i changed my sources, libc6 was updated and is now at a version beyond stable, so i'm just trying to get it downgraded to match so i can continue on with the update. |
| 12:40.04 | aNOOBis1 | stew I am trying to write a start stop script |
| 12:40.16 | blackjack-h | Lagbolt, oh whats that? a option for mount -t? or a package? |
| 12:40.18 | stew | aNOOBis1: ok |
| 12:40.26 | fireba11 | lunaphyte_ : that might turn out a bit difficult |
| 12:40.28 | aNOOBis1 | using the skeleton template in the /etc/init.d |
| 12:40.29 | stew | aNOOBis1: what is the bit about "option needing a config" |
| 12:40.44 | Lagbolt | it is a package |
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| 12:41.06 | lunaphyte_ | fireba11: why? |
| 12:41.07 | Lagbolt | can be used with mount as -t ntfs-3g or run from command line |
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| 12:41.12 | Lagbolt | http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ |
| 12:41.32 | aNOOBis1 | the proccess I want to start is naviagent and it can be started as "naviagent -f <location>/agent.config |
| 12:41.35 | blackjack-h | Lagbolt, ok :) |
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| 12:42.06 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 12:42.16 | Lagbolt | hi uzbek |
| 12:42.52 | uzbek | is there a linux application which can "read" scanned document? it is usually called OCR. |
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| 12:43.14 | Lagbolt | i havent seen any good ocr but they do exist. could be better, has been sometime since i checked |
| 12:43.22 | Lagbolt | try google . . . "debian ocr scan" |
| 12:43.24 | stew | uzbek: apt-cache search ocr |
| 12:43.43 | fd12 | how can i see which pkgs are included in the Standard System of tasksel? |
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| 12:44.12 | stew | fd12: tasksel --task-packages standard |
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| 12:44.41 | aNOOBis1 | any idea stew? |
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| 12:44.56 | fd12 | also is there a pkg that bundles lamp together? |
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| 12:45.01 | Lagbolt | or uzbek apt-cache search ocr |
| 12:45.05 | stew | fd12: or apitude search "~pstandard|~prequired|~pimportant" |
| 12:45.06 | stew | fd12: none |
| 12:45.14 | uzbek | Lagbolt, stew thanx! |
| 12:45.19 | fd12 | or do i have to fetch php, mysql,apache2 independently |
| 12:45.33 | fd12 | do i have to edit httpd.conf to load php5 etc? |
| 12:45.41 | linuxjones513 | im trying to install the wintv hvr 1600 and i get this error when doing make all http://pastebin.ca/980950 and ideas? |
| 12:45.42 | stew | aNOOBis1: i don't understand your question. this seems like it would be straightforward to me |
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| 12:46.20 | stew | fd12: you'd have to fetch "libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server" no you wouldn't edit httpd.conf, you'd as most run "a2enmod php5", however, I believe that is done for you |
| 12:46.51 | aNOOBis1 | It seems that way :) yet ... |
| 12:46.51 | linuxjones513 | any ideas rather |
| 12:46.53 | stew | aNOOBis1: what is the part that is confusing you? |
| 12:47.15 | aNOOBis1 | well the process does not start and it does not wirte a pidfile |
| 12:47.17 | themill | Now that the etchnhalf kernels are in etch-proposed-updates, one would expect linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 to be installable so that you can compile modules for the kernel, but there's no etchnhalf version of linux-kbuild-2.6.24 making the headers package uninstallable. Is this still on its way or an oversight? (I know that fools and children shouldn't see things half done) |
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| 12:47.41 | Lagbolt | uzbek, kooka is getting good reviews |
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| 12:47.51 | aNOOBis1 | how could i check that the process is really running?? I have tried ps aux|grep naviagent |
| 12:47.52 | battlex | which file do i need to edit to change my nameservers please? |
| 12:48.05 | themill | battlex: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:48.09 | asg | battlex: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 12:48.13 | uzbek | Lagbolt, sounds kde :) |
| 12:48.15 | battlex | ok thanks |
| 12:48.20 | Lagbolt | lol it is |
| 12:48.22 | stew | linuxjones513: i would guess that whatever you are compiling needs to be fixed for newer versions of gcc, or you need to try compiling with an older version of gcc (which, depending on what version was used to compile your kernel, might require a kernel recompile) |
| 12:48.27 | uzbek | ok, i'll try :) |
| 12:48.28 | stew | linuxjones513: (that is, however, a guess) |
| 12:48.32 | fd12 | stew, is there a howto describing those steps? |
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| 12:49.05 | stew | fd12: here's the howto: run "aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server && a2enmod php5" |
| 12:49.48 | stew | battlex: is your ip address static or do you get it via dhcp? |
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| 12:50.26 | fd12 | stew, sweet thanks :) but i'm asking if there's a detailed howto that explains more steps to make afterwards etc |
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| 12:50.37 | fd12 | a howto for lamp on debian basically |
| 12:50.55 | stew | fd12: i dont' know of one |
| 12:50.59 | themill | fd12: what do you want to be told? |
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| 12:51.26 | fd12 | themill, i'm not sure yet, i might need assistance along the way though |
| 12:51.34 | linuxjones513 | stew, its the driver for the tv tuner card, i did notice something about certian things needing a newer kernel during the make, but it seemed to finish all right, does this mean the card will not work? |
| 12:51.41 | stew | fd12: feel free to ask here when you need assistance |
| 12:51.47 | battlex | stew: static. for some reason when i change my nameserver it keeps reverting to the old setting. how can i keep it permanent? |
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| 12:52.05 | Coke_ | How can I make Grub remember which kernel was selected at last boot? I have the "savedefault" option on all my entries. |
| 12:52.07 | themill | !fixresolvconf |
| 12:52.07 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: As root, just do echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). A slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head, or finally, to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf. |
| 12:52.41 | battlex | stew: actually, i set it up to be static via the install, but it keeps getting the ip via dhcp |
| 12:52.46 | stew | Coke: what does "grep ^default /boot/grub/menu.lst" return? |
| 12:52.58 | stew | linuxjones513: the card certainly won't work until you get a driver compiled for it |
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| 12:53.03 | Coke | stew: no default |
| 12:53.03 | themill | fd12: what stew told you is all you need to know to set up a lamp server under debian. You might want to tweak settings later, in which case do some reading about them and ask here if you get stuck. There's not much else to do. It's not supposed to be hard enough to require a howto :) |
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| 12:53.27 | fd12 | themill, like hardening the lamp setup |
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| 12:53.38 | stew | battlex: dhcp is most likely the thing that is overwriting your resolv.conf. can you show us your /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 12:53.54 | Coke | stew: hehe, you multitasker you. :) |
| 12:54.37 | stew | Coke: i'd expect you to have "default saved" in your menu.lst. there should be a comment to this effect in your menu.lst already |
| 12:54.39 | themill | fd12: it depends on what you mean by hardening. It's not like debian's packages deliberately leave you "softened"! |
| 12:54.55 | linuxjones513 | stew, any suggestions then? |
| 12:54.57 | Coke | stew: oki doki, will do. thanks. |
| 12:54.59 | stew | fd12: you'd harden it by running "aptitude remove libapache2-mod-php5" :P |
| 12:55.30 | fd12 | haha |
| 12:55.35 | stew | linuxjones513: i'd suggest trying an older version of gcc, or trying to fix the errors yourself and supply a patch to the authors |
| 12:55.43 | thrashy | could someone tell me the command to bind an ip? |
| 12:55.59 | stew | thrashy: bind meaning what, exactly? |
| 12:56.22 | thrashy | assign/bind Im not sure of the word |
| 12:56.40 | stew | thrashy: man interfaces |
| 12:56.42 | thrashy | I know it exists because i've used it before, I've just forgetten it :/ |
| 12:57.04 | vinboy | hi |
| 12:57.09 | vinboy | should I use beagle or strigi? |
| 12:57.11 | thrashy | ah ok thanks stew |
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| 12:57.46 | Coke | I have Defaults timestamp_timeout=60 in my sudoers file, yet it never asks for a password. I'm guessing the user needs a special flag, but what? I never get prompted for pwd now. |
| 12:57.53 | asg | vinboy: grep -ilr 'keyword ...' ~ (works just as well) |
| 12:58.27 | lunaphyte_ | yay - i just broke things badly! dpkg --force-depends -r libc6 and now it says "bash: /bin/ls: No such file or directory" :D |
| 12:58.33 | stew | Coke: i have "stew ALL=PASSWD: ALL" |
| 12:59.06 | stew | lunaphyte_: why would you --force-depends ? |
| 12:59.21 | Coke | stew: thanks again. :) |
| 12:59.22 | vinboy | asg: oh.. actually I DO NOT want the program to index the CONTENT.. all I really need it index the filenames.. |
| 13:01.36 | fd12 | themill, i mean tuning the apache config to my specific needs |
| 13:02.08 | stew | fd12: what needs to be tuned? |
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| 13:02.20 | stew | fd12: or what are your needs? |
| 13:02.44 | quirim | hey |
| 13:02.46 | fd12 | stew, tight security |
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| 13:02.53 | stew | fd12: its already tight |
| 13:03.05 | expose | Why is wpa_supplicant 0.6.3 in lenny instead of 0.5.10? Especially since 0.6.* is known to cause several issues... |
| 13:03.05 | quirim | if I try using sudo I get |
| 13:03.08 | quirim | -bash: /usr/bin/sudo: Input/output error |
| 13:03.09 | fd12 | also i installed only the base system, and i cant find a sources.list |
| 13:03.17 | quirim | would someone be able to help me with that? |
| 13:03.19 | itguru | I have to transfer a 600MB file, and I wish to use SCP to do it, but I do not want to sap all the bandwith of the link it's going to *remote office abroad with a 256k line* how can I make this transfer go slowly? |
| 13:03.31 | stew | fd12: did you look in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 13:03.48 | themill | epsilon: 0.6.* also solves many issues. |
| 13:03.58 | fd12 | stew, wtf now it finds it nvm.thanks |
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| 13:04.39 | linuxjones513 | i need kernel 2.6.22 but i am running etch, is there an easy way to upgrade, without losing my ndiswrappers and fgl and whatnot? |
| 13:04.48 | stew | itguru: can you use rsync over ssh instead? rsync has options to limit bandwidth |
| 13:05.05 | fd12 | should i add non-free to the security updates for a more tight setup? |
| 13:05.21 | stew | linuxjones513: you can upgrade easily using bpo (/msg dpkg bpo) but you would lose any third party modules that you compiled (such as ndiswrapper) |
| 13:05.23 | itguru | stew - good point ... I may look into that |
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| 13:05.49 | stew | fd12: if you are installing non-free software, then yes, however, debian rarely provides security updates to non-free |
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| 13:06.18 | stew | itguru: iirc 'bwlimit' is the thing to search for in the rsync manpage |
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| 13:06.48 | linuxjones513 | stew, so after i upgrade, can i use the ndiswrapper one liner from /msg dpkg to re-get the ndiswrapper stuff? because after i do that i can figure the rest out, i just need the internet |
| 13:07.14 | stew | linuxjones513: yes |
| 13:07.43 | itguru | Thanks a lot stew - I'll go look into that now |
| 13:08.10 | fd12 | stew, do i need inetd running for a lamp server? |
| 13:08.12 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, just download the ndiswrapper source package and rebuild it when you install the other kern, or upgrade the kernel and build the package for that kernel before you reboot |
| 13:08.37 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, i install new kern i install nvidia, ndiswrapper and linuxuvc before reboot every time and have never had a problem |
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| 13:08.45 | heymr | hello |
| 13:09.09 | stew | fd12: no |
| 13:09.28 | thrashy | how can I issue a new ip to my machine? |
| 13:09.42 | heymr | my fonts in certain programs (seamonkey and fcc) are not anti-aliased |
| 13:09.42 | heymr | what should I do? |
| 13:09.46 | fd12 | stew, under which case would i be needing it? |
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| 13:10.54 | stew | thrashy: edit /etc/network/interfaces and either add a secondary interfaces such as "eth0:1" (find examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz) or add a second ip to an inteface with "up ip add addr 1.2.3.4 dev eth0" if you have iproute installed |
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| 13:11.43 | stew | fd12: you are wanting to expose a daemon via inetd. apache is not exposed via inetd. "cat /etc/inetd.conf" would show you which services you might be exposing now via inetd |
| 13:11.50 | carl-m | sorry to spam here - has anyone here managed recently to get two firefox processes to run at the same time on the same machine? |
| 13:12.27 | fd12 | stew, they are either exposed by init or inetd? |
| 13:12.34 | Airbottl1 | hey, thats no spam, i would like to know that too |
| 13:12.38 | fd12 | daemons i mean |
| 13:13.02 | fd12 | stew, it states mail in inetd.conf, so if i'm planning on running postfix do i need it running? |
| 13:13.25 | stew | fd12: no. how does it state 'mail' |
| 13:13.44 | stew | carl-m: why do you want more than one? i'd think it requires two different profiles |
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| 13:14.17 | fd12 | stew, there's a comment there for MAIL |
| 13:14.25 | asoot | does anyone know this font? where can i get it?: http://s6.directupload.net/images/080411/dsinkz7w.gif |
| 13:14.32 | fd12 | i guess mail daemons get added there |
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| 13:15.01 | carl-m | stew: that does it, actually: just 'firefox -P New' works. the first time you run it it does make you create the profile named 'New' |
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| 13:15.21 | carl-m | stew: I want more than one because I have one running on a different machine over ssh and I want to browse on this computer as well |
| 13:15.39 | fd12 | stew how do i prevent inetd from starting on each bootup |
| 13:15.43 | thrashy | stew I do that but when I restart networking it says "cannot assign requested address, failed to bring up eth0:1 |
| 13:15.54 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, so after i upgrade the kernel, how do i build ndiswrapper for that kernel instead of the one im using now? |
| 13:16.06 | stew | thrashy: show us the contents of /etc/network/interfaces ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 13:16.17 | stew | fd12: aptitude remove inetd |
| 13:16.46 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, are you using a packaged kernel? |
| 13:16.49 | fd12 | stew: what if i just want to stop it but not remove it |
| 13:17.02 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, yeah, im using etch now |
| 13:17.12 | stew | fd12: update-rc.d -f inetd remove |
| 13:17.24 | Lagbolt | ok for me i do this . . . m-a -k /lib/modules/2.6.24-04092008 -l 2.6.24-04092008 a-i ndiswrapper |
| 13:17.41 | Lagbolt | look in /lib/modules and just change the 2.6 whatever to match the new kernel |
| 13:17.43 | fd12 | stew, thanks. that covers all runlevels? |
| 13:17.52 | stew | fd12: yes |
| 13:18.17 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, i am assuming you used module assistant to install it originally so that you have debian package ndiswrapper-utils installed |
| 13:18.47 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, yeah |
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| 13:19.37 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, then that should do it |
| 13:19.59 | linuxjones513 | perhaps im confused, i have never really delt with this kinda jive before, but backports sounds to me like older stuff, not newer, is that wrong? |
| 13:20.04 | Lagbolt | after check that it installed the module to /lib/modules/yourkernel/misc/ndiswrapper.ko |
| 13:20.25 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, backports is bringing new stuff back to old stuff |
| 13:20.40 | Lagbolt | it compiles new programs against old libs and what not so you can use them on your OLD etch |
| 13:20.40 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 13:21.10 | real0ne | hi how can i update a package |
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| 13:21.12 | thrashy | stew sorry i cant put it on pastebin because my debian is install on a vmachine and i cant copy paste to and from it, but i've done a screen grab: http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=networkcf6.jpg |
| 13:21.28 | thrashy | http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=networkcf6.jpg |
| 13:21.46 | thrashy | bah imageshack is filtered? |
| 13:22.09 | linuxjones513 | so would adding deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free to sources.list allow me top upgrade the kernel the the version desired? |
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| 13:22.22 | thrashy | stew http://preview.tinyurl.com/6jfxdb |
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| 13:24.11 | Karamon | Hello, I was trying to find the utility that manages the debian mailling lists because I need similar functionality including managing mailing lists and able to accept add/remove requests via mailer daemon |
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| 13:24.33 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, i dont know, i dont use back ports |
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| 13:24.42 | Lagbolt | someone know how to do that tell backports dpkg thing for linuxjones513 |
| 13:25.03 | fd12 | stew, do i need acpid if this box isn't a laptop? |
| 13:25.26 | Penix | Lagbolt: what? !tell foo about foo? |
| 13:25.32 | Lagbolt | thats it |
| 13:25.40 | Lagbolt | !tell linuxjones513 about backports |
| 13:25.43 | Lagbolt | like that? |
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| 13:27.06 | stew | thrashy: you should not be specifying 'network' or 'broadcast' anywhere in that file. the ones you have specified now are impossible which might be causing your problems. you are trying to specify two different default gateways. you can't have that, if you need more than one default gateway, you need more than one routing table |
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| 13:27.51 | abrotman | linuxjones513: there are instructions on exactly how to do it at backports.org |
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| 13:28.08 | real0ne | can any one say what do this pors exim4 |
| 13:28.23 | real0ne | abrotman exim4 is that for printing? |
| 13:28.26 | abrotman | exim4 is an SMTP server |
| 13:28.48 | real0ne | abrotman no problem when o remove it |
| 13:29.15 | real0ne | or can u give me a docs how to use it pplz |
| 13:29.17 | Lagbolt | Penix, how do you get a list of commands for dpkg? /msg dpkg help? |
| 13:29.41 | abrotman | real0ne: yes .. problem |
| 13:29.46 | abrotman | !tell real0ne about u |
| 13:29.58 | abrotman | Lagbolt: /msg dpkg help .. /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 13:30.03 | fd12 | what is a good program that can make an image out of my current install and restore it when i want if i screw up later? |
| 13:31.01 | thrashy | ok stew I got rid of network and broadcast and commended out the old network information (so i didnt have 2 default gateways) but now it says "network is unreachable failed to bring up eth0:1" |
| 13:31.19 | thrashy | commented* |
| 13:31.22 | Lagbolt | thanks abrotman |
| 13:31.30 | aNOOBis1 | how can I feed start-stop-daemon a bin file with options?? |
| 13:31.39 | stew | thrashy: which entry now has "gateway"? and what is it? |
| 13:31.42 | aNOOBis1 | start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/naviagent.pid -m --exec "/opt/Navisphere/bin/naviagent -f /etc/Naviagent/agent.config" |
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| 13:31.52 | aNOOBis1 | does not work |
| 13:32.03 | blackjack-h | hi, i installed xfce to lenny, and when i type startx, X automaticly runs xfce, and i dont want that, ill do startxfce4 if i want to run xfce, but as far as i want, i just want X alone when typing startx, so where can i configure this? xinitrc is not pointing to any auto xfce load := |
| 13:32.13 | abrotman | aNOOBis1: FWIW .. you could put that line in a script and call the script |
| 13:32.34 | stew | aNOOBis1: add the options after "--" see /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example (where it has $DAEMON_ARGS) |
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| 13:32.46 | abrotman | blackjack-h: /etc/alternatives/ .. probably an entry for x-window-manager or such |
| 13:33.01 | darkskiez | i have a disk image in an lvm device, how can i get the partitions recognised on it so i can access them |
| 13:33.02 | thrashy | stew the second one (eth0:1) and the gateway is 192.168.16.12 |
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| 13:33.27 | harpal | Hey I am trying to install pidgin and it says that it want GTK+ 2.0 development header. so which packet I should install? |
| 13:33.32 | aNOOBis1 | I have tried that abrotman, actually I am working on a startstop script using /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 13:33.42 | chops | harpal: Why not just use 'aptitude install pidgin'? |
| 13:33.43 | abrotman | then try what stew said |
| 13:33.53 | abrotman | chops: or gaim in etch |
| 13:34.03 | abrotman | though i believe there's a pidgin on bpo now |
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| 13:34.31 | harpal | chops: but its not in repository yet |
| 13:34.40 | abrotman | !info gaim etch |
| 13:34.44 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
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| 13:34.46 | abrotman | harpal: it'll work just fine for you if you use gaim |
| 13:35.10 | chops | harpal: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 13:35.22 | harpal | abrotman: yes I am using gaim but problem is that I cant see my msn friends in my yahoo id |
| 13:35.24 | aNOOBis1 | abrotman: what would I give the $DAEMON_ARGS "-f /etc/Naviagent/agent.config" ? |
| 13:35.32 | harpal | chops: etch |
| 13:35.34 | abrotman | harpal: and which version of gaim/pidgin fixes that? |
| 13:35.47 | abrotman | aNOOBis1: you can try that .. seems logical |
| 13:36.03 | harpal | new version of pidgin fixes that. I have uses that on windows machine |
| 13:36.04 | aNOOBis1 | I think I have tried it, but I will try again |
| 13:36.18 | chops | harpal: Install it from backports then |
| 13:36.37 | abrotman | harpal: libgtk2.0-0-dev or something like that |
| 13:37.20 | chops | harpal: Saying that something hasn't made it into the repository "yet" for etch isn't right. etch doesn't change like that. pidgin has made it into Debian "yet" (backports and sid); it's just not in etch. |
| 13:37.46 | blackjack-h | abrotman, in /etc/alternatives theres just a bunch of executables and zip files, i saw a couple refering to X but dont know exactly what i need to do there? what a /alternatives directory holds? |
| 13:38.06 | abrotman | blackjack-h: ls -l /etc/alternatives/* | grep xfce ? |
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| 13:38.20 | vi390 | somebody any idea how to tell "wget" to output to stdout, but not displaying any furter information. Just output the content of the file. "wget -O - http://filepth" but something more I can not figure out with the manual somehow |
| 13:38.45 | harpal | chops: ok, i am checking that |
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| 13:38.50 | Karamon | Does anyone know of a utility that automatically manages mailing lists, where you can send add/remove requests to the server and it handles it automatically? |
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| 13:38.56 | quitte | talking about pidgin, is it possible to stop pidgin from highlighting irc channels? I know that whenever I look something new will have been said (t)here. |
| 13:39.11 | faze | What's the NTFS driver with writing supported called? |
| 13:39.19 | faze | ntfs-ng? |
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| 13:39.52 | abrotman | ntfs-3g |
| 13:40.12 | abrotman | Karamon: most do that |
| 13:40.12 | faze | Thanks |
| 13:40.26 | abrotman | Karamon: like mailman or majordomo or ezmlm |
| 13:40.49 | jhr-online | faze: could you please not ask the same question at different channels? that unfair somehow... |
| 13:40.50 | blackjack-h | abrotman, yes theres some link files pointing to xfce and stuff, what i have to do? just erase them? |
| 13:40.51 | faze | I haven't got ntfs-3g, what do I need to install? |
| 13:41.01 | faze | jhr-online: So how is it unfair? |
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| 13:41.07 | faze | It's two completly different IRC networks! |
| 13:41.15 | abrotman | blackjack-h: i wouldn't erase them .. learn how to use the alternatives system .. don't just wreck it |
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| 13:41.31 | abrotman | faze: are you on etch? |
| 13:41.35 | jhr-online | yes... and two people spent their time for you... why should they? |
| 13:41.42 | thrashy | what is the directory I can run shell scripts from? |
| 13:41.45 | faze | I think so |
| 13:41.47 | fd12 | can i create a big tar.gz backup of the / ? |
| 13:41.53 | faze | libntfs9? |
| 13:41.55 | chops | vi390: I would expect that wget -O - with some sufficiently high number of -q options would do it |
| 13:41.56 | abrotman | faze: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what is the line it returns ? |
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| 13:42.07 | blackjack-h | !alternatives |
| 13:42.07 | dpkg | alternatives is probably the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. |
| 13:42.07 | Karamon | abrotman: I currently use postfix, I assume it can't manage mailing lists though.. |
| 13:42.31 | abrotman | Karamon: i use mailman with postfix .. it has a web interface but you can also manipulate it via email |
| 13:42.46 | Karamon | abrotman: Thanks I'll look into it :) |
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| 13:43.00 | faze | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 13:43.24 | abrotman | faze: /msg dpkg bpo .. follow the instructions at the website .. it has ntfs-3g for etch |
| 13:43.26 | chops | vi390: It turns out that the "some sufficiently high number" of -q options is 1 :-) |
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| 13:43.37 | fd12 | how can i see the deps of a pkg? |
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| 13:43.56 | dimir | apt-cache depends pkg |
| 13:44.18 | thrashy | which directory do i run shell scripts from? |
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| 13:44.39 | lymeca | Does anyone here have experience working with Debian's mediawiki package? I installed it and noticed the wiki files installed to /usr/share/mediawiki/ so I made that my Apache2 documentroot |
| 13:44.41 | dimir | any on a filesystem that is not mounted with 'noexec' option. |
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| 13:44.59 | aNOOBis1 | abrotman: I have tried and tired yet I always get start-stop-daemon: invalid option -- f |
| 13:45.08 | lymeca | But things are kind of funky after I tried to use some aliases for short URLs such as http://wikisite.org/Main_Page |
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| 13:45.14 | real0ne | dimir how can i remove a dir plz with shell |
| 13:45.15 | lymeca | Certain links are broken |
| 13:45.16 | aNOOBis1 | it sees the -f as part of the start-stop-daemon |
| 13:45.22 | real0ne | dimir rm ??? |
| 13:45.26 | dimir | real0ne: rm -r |
| 13:45.28 | abrotman | aNOOBis1: show the whole thing again |
| 13:45.29 | dimir | real0ne: or rmdir |
| 13:45.51 | aNOOBis1 | start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/naviagent.pid -m --exec /opt/Navisphere/bin/naviagent -f /etc/Naviagent/agent.config |
| 13:45.52 | lymeca | So I'm thinking of putting the wiki files into a /wiki/ subdirectory |
| 13:45.52 | fd12 | which dirs should i exclude when taking backups? proc and what else? |
| 13:46.05 | vi390 | chops: perfect the -q did it (i thought -q would disable the other stdout again :-) ) Thanks |
| 13:46.05 | abrotman | dev |
| 13:46.06 | asg | fd12: /sys |
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| 13:46.08 | real0ne | dimir rmdir: /etc/nepenthes: Directory not empty |
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| 13:46.19 | abrotman | real0ne: man rm .. READ THE MAN PAGE |
| 13:46.27 | dimir | real0ne: rmdir -p |
| 13:46.30 | chops | vi390: np |
| 13:46.47 | dob1 | sorry what is the help with apt-key on the dpkg bot? |
| 13:47.03 | abrotman | !tell dob1 about apt-key foo |
| 13:47.08 | dob1 | thanks |
| 13:47.15 | abrotman | !tell real0ne about grounding |
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| 13:47.23 | fd12 | how do i add colors to ls? |
| 13:47.28 | abrotman | ls --color |
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| 13:47.42 | dob1 | thanks |
| 13:47.49 | fd12 | thanks |
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| 13:48.09 | lymeca | Should I just create /usr/share/mediawiki/wiki/ and move everything there even though that's not how the Debian package does it? |
| 13:48.13 | real0ne | abrotman lol i use debian a log time u don't remamber me |
| 13:48.41 | abrotman | and you don't remember shit |
| 13:48.50 | abrotman | real0ne: it's time you start reading |
| 13:49.32 | real0ne | abrotman i want to read about netwock and sharing docs on debian and use debian like a server |
| 13:49.41 | abrotman | SO READ |
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| 13:50.10 | stew | aNOOBis1: did you see what i said before about "--" ? "man start-stop-daemon" and look for "--" |
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| 13:50.34 | aNOOBis1 | I do but it does not take it |
| 13:51.00 | stew | aNOOBis1: what do you mean by "it does not take it"? do you get an error? |
| 13:51.50 | aNOOBis1 | --start -- <argument> ... start a program and pass <arguments> to it! If I use start-stop-daemon --start -- "-f /etc/Naviagent/agent.config" --pidfile /var/run/naviagent.pid -m --exec /opt/Navisphere/bin/naviagent |
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| 13:52.09 | aNOOBis1 | I get start-stop-daemon: need at least one of --exec, --pidfile, --user or --name |
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| 13:52.46 | stew | aNOOBis1: -- would have to go last. and i'm guessing that you want to actually pass it two arguments, "-f" and "/etc/Naviagent/agent.config" not one argument "-f /etc/Naviagent/agent.config" |
| 13:53.19 | cusco | what device is sr0? |
| 13:53.41 | stew | aNOOBis1: the way you have it, you are telling start-stop-daemon that --pidfile and /var/run/naviagent.pid and --exec are also daemon arguments and not arguments to start-stop-deamon |
| 13:53.47 | vinboy | hi |
| 13:53.50 | SlayerXP | cusco: Scsi Readonly device 0 |
| 13:53.53 | vinboy | grub says it can't find stage1 |
| 13:54.24 | cusco | dmesg is spitting like 200 lines about I/O error dev sr0 at random sectors |
| 13:54.47 | cusco | I just got a new dvd player |
| 13:54.55 | SlayerXP | cusco: bad media, or dead drive |
| 13:55.10 | stew | or bad cable |
| 13:55.17 | cusco | the old one was complaining about ata something cable something as well |
| 13:55.21 | cusco | I just got a new sata cable too |
| 13:55.31 | cusco | and Im guessing my old dvd player is fine |
| 13:55.45 | cusco | (must test it on some other box) |
| 13:55.57 | aNOOBis1 | stew: abrotman: thanks a lot |
| 13:56.15 | aNOOBis1 | got it working now with stews solution to put -- on the end |
| 13:56.38 | aNOOBis1 | start-stop-daemon --start --pidfile /var/run/naviagent.pid -m --exec /opt/Navisphere/bin/naviagent -- "-f /etc/Naviagent/agent.config" WORKS |
| 13:57.05 | aNOOBis1 | gracias |
| 13:57.42 | cusco | I really hope its not the mobo |
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| 13:58.45 | vinboy | grub says --> Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... no |
| 13:59.01 | stew | vinboy: this is when you are running grub-install? |
| 13:59.05 | ApOgEE- | hi, how to change accesspoint using iwconfig? |
| 13:59.20 | vinboy | stew: i run grub |
| 13:59.41 | stew | vinboy: what are you trying to do? |
| 13:59.52 | ApOgEE- | i thought i don't understand the man page |
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| 14:00.00 | vinboy | stew: i'm converting lilo to grub |
| 14:00.14 | stew | vinboy: did you run grub-install yet? |
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| 14:00.25 | ApOgEE- | i tried iwconfig eth1 mode managed key s:mykey |
| 14:00.34 | djones_ | so do i just apt-get install kernel-2.6.22? |
| 14:00.35 | stew | vinboy: /msg dpkg lilo->grub ; read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 14:00.52 | vinboy | stew: ok thx |
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| 14:00.53 | vinboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.57 | stew | ApOgEE-: you'd usually need 'essid whatever' and myabe 'channel 1' or so |
| 14:01.03 | ApOgEE- | it says Error for wireless request "Set Encode" (8B2A) : |
| 14:01.20 | stew | djones_: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 14:01.23 | djones_ | to install the new kernel after i added the backports to the sources.list |
| 14:01.45 | stew | djones_: what cpu do you have? |
| 14:01.48 | djones_ | im linuxjones513, i just got disconnected and dont know how to get my name back, haha |
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| 14:02.35 | ApOgEE- | tried sudo iwconfig eth1 essid OtherAP but nothing happens |
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| 14:03.01 | stew | ApOgEE-: is the other ap using wep? or wap? or nothing? |
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| 14:03.33 | fd12 | i'm getting an internal ip and have connectivity to the internet but i don't have an external ip. why? |
| 14:03.42 | djones_ | im running etch, but i need that kernel for this tv tuner card i just bought, and i have an amd cpu, last time it was the k7 kernel |
| 14:04.05 | stew | djones_: apt-get -t etch-backports install linux-imagre-2.6-686 |
| 14:04.37 | lunaphyte_ | how can i reinstall libc6 after i shot myself in the foot and removed it? |
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| 14:04.42 | stew | fd12: show us the output of "ifconfig ; route -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:04.49 | ApOgEE- | stew: i can see 2 AP here, one with key:on and the other key:off |
| 14:05.33 | ApOgEE- | stew: i wanna be able to change ap using iwconfig... |
| 14:05.39 | fd12 | stew: ok my router uses nat. is there a way i can ssh to this box from outside? |
| 14:05.44 | stew | lunaphyte_: boot from a live cd or a rescue cd and unpack the package manually using dpkg-deb or dpkg -x or ar and tar |
| 14:05.56 | stew | fd12: depends on your router config |
| 14:06.21 | stew | goes to the vet to get his dogs junk fixed... |
| 14:06.41 | lunaphyte_ | stew: ok, thanks. |
| 14:06.45 | asg | stew: enjoy |
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| 14:07.10 | Lagbolt | fd12, just forward a port to that machine |
| 14:07.42 | fd12 | Lagbolt, from the router? |
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| 14:07.57 | Lagbolt | fd12, yes from the router to the machine you want to connect to |
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| 14:08.36 | fd12 | where do i config where ssh runs to? |
| 14:08.38 | fd12 | what port |
| 14:08.48 | asg | fd12: grep ssh /etc/services |
| 14:08.59 | mne | Hi, I'm having problems with NFS4 and Kerberos. Specificly it seems to be a problem with the kernel RPC code not being able to connect back to rpc.gssd. I turned on quite a lot of debugging flags, but the only error i get is "RPC: AUTH_GSS upcall timed out". I have no idea why the kernel ca't connect to the running rpc daemon |
| 14:09.01 | Lagbolt | normally ssh runs on 22, so forward some port from your router to 22 on that machine. or forward 22 to 22 on that machine |
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| 14:11.50 | svref | How do I figure out what app is breaking my sound? "alsa_setup: failed to open pcm dev: device busy" |
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| 14:12.04 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, what did you say the command was to use m-a to install ndiswrappers to the kernel im about to be using, and not what im using now |
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| 14:12.10 | asg | svref: fuser or lsof |
| 14:12.21 | svref | asg: thanks |
| 14:12.51 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, m-a -k /lib/modules/2.6.24-04092008 -l 2.6.24-04092008 a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 14:13.48 | linuxjones513 | and change 2.6.24..... to 2.6.22-4-686? |
| 14:13.55 | Lagbolt | if that is what yo have installed |
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| 14:22.01 | lymeca | Is there no more mod-ssl in Debian? |
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| 14:22.15 | lymeca | I run lenny and have Apache2 and I see mode-gnutls |
| 14:22.28 | asg | lymeca: apache2 comes with mod-ssl |
| 14:22.36 | lymeca | asg Ohh, thanks |
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| 14:23.42 | ronr | with what package can I record whatever I'm doing on X to a movie (avi or somthing)? |
| 14:24.01 | pablo | hi, i am using apt and it says segmentation fault |
| 14:24.14 | Lagbolt | pablo, more detail please |
| 14:24.18 | Lagbolt | pablo, apt what |
| 14:24.18 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 14:24.30 | Lagbolt | and what happened before this started |
| 14:24.33 | pablo | Lagbolt: aptget upgrade |
| 14:24.48 | pablo | Lagbolt: apt-get upgrade and autoremove |
| 14:24.51 | SlayerXP | pablo: what did you do immediately prior to doing that? |
| 14:24.53 | Lagbolt | can you paste the output to pastebin |
| 14:25.04 | shnipshnap | ronr: xvidcap |
| 14:25.17 | ronr | shnipshnap: thx |
| 14:25.41 | pablo | Lagbolt: http://pastebin.com/m3105248d |
| 14:26.07 | Lagbolt | that doesnt show anything, what did you do before this upgrade? |
| 14:26.20 | jelly-home | pablo: can you repeat it after you do an "apt-get update"? |
| 14:26.52 | pablo | jelly-home: what do you mean repeat it? apt-get update works ok |
| 14:27.19 | pablo | jelly-home: it breaks in upgrade or autoremove |
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| 14:29.08 | shnipshnap | Hi, gcc just entered an infinite loop, each time claiming more memory it seemed, while I was trying to compile a program called tomoe. I'm running Debian Testing, should I report this bug to debian or to gcc? |
| 14:29.24 | shnipshnap | It's 100% reproducable, BTW |
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| 14:29.41 | pablo | anyone knows how to solve my apt problem? |
| 14:29.42 | SlayerXP | shnipshnap: then show me how to reproduce it |
| 14:30.05 | SlayerXP | pablo: what did you do immediately prior to doing that? |
| 14:30.47 | shnipshnap | First, download the source code from here: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=193138&package_id=227469 |
| 14:30.52 | shnipshnap | then ./configure |
| 14:30.56 | shnipshnap | then make |
| 14:30.59 | pablo | SlayerXP: nothing strange, i think i removed mutt, thats all |
| 14:31.27 | SlayerXP | pablo: you think? why don't you know? |
| 14:31.40 | shnipshnap | It doesn't crash when you take out -O2 from the gcc command |
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| 14:32.00 | pablo | SlayerXP: yeah, i removed mutt thats all |
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| 14:32.45 | debia1 | hi |
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| 14:33.00 | chops | pablo: Can you use debsums to check that none of your important packages are corrupted? |
| 14:33.11 | debia1 | i have problem with debian |
| 14:33.19 | chops | pablo: You can also try using gdb and/or strace to run apt, and see where it's crashing |
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| 14:34.20 | konadr_ | !acpid |
| 14:34.26 | konadr_ | hmm |
| 14:34.33 | pablo | chops: in dont have debsums installed |
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| 14:36.51 | shnipshnap | debia1: Please go on |
| 14:37.06 | debia1 | i have problem with network |
| 14:37.12 | debia1 | wp linux network |
| 14:37.28 | debia1 | if i ping to xp pc is ok |
| 14:37.37 | debia1 | but when i use samba |
| 14:37.43 | debia1 | i don't see xp pc |
| 14:37.52 | debia1 | on ubuntu is all ok |
| 14:37.58 | debia1 | no on debian |
| 14:38.20 | debia1 | i have 1 pc with 2 hardisk debian etch ubuntu gutsy |
| 14:39.45 | lymeca | What's the apache2 command to load/unload modules again? |
| 14:40.10 | asg | a2enmod |
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| 14:40.49 | chops | shnipshnap: If it were me I would report it to Debian's BTS |
| 14:40.55 | chops | shnipshnap: Upstream would be fine as well, though |
| 14:41.01 | pablo | chops: now it has magically been fixed after running debsums, gdb exited normally |
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| 14:41.04 | shnipshnap | Thanks |
| 14:41.15 | chops | pablo: Run a memory test on that machine lately? |
| 14:41.40 | pablo | chops: no, what for? |
| 14:42.18 | chops | pablo: Random seg faults are sometimes caused by bad memory (especially ones that get magically fixed by unrelated actions) |
| 14:43.25 | pablo | chops: ok, so i should run one, have never do it, how should i do it? |
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| 14:46.53 | chops | pablo: Install memtest86 package, reboot into memtest86 (IIRC it gets added to the boot list automatically if you have grub) |
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| 14:49.00 | timur | where might one find linux-source.deb for a pre 2.6.13 kernel? the archives on debian.org seem to have 2.6.18 as the oldest |
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| 14:49.22 | pablo | chops: ok |
| 14:49.38 | stew | timur: /msg dpkg sdn ; it would be called 'kernel-source-foo' not 'linux-source-foo' if you are looking for versions older than 2.6.12 |
| 14:50.23 | timur | ah, cool. thanks stew |
| 14:50.26 | stew | timur: though, one might wonder why you would care to get such old source. |
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| 14:50.47 | timur | because i need to make sure my driver runs on pre 2.6.13 kernels |
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| 14:51.50 | stew | timur: then you'd want a -image -headers pair, not -source, unless you are going to build the entire kernel, in which case, you can get any kernel version you want from kernel.og |
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| 14:52.19 | timur | yea, i did grab image/headers pair :) |
| 14:52.36 | timur | since that's a bit faster |
| 14:52.38 | asg | stew: back already? |
| 14:53.09 | stew | asg: yes. got some antibiotics for the dog that stuck his stuff somewhere he shouldn't have |
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| 14:53.37 | asg | ah |
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| 14:54.21 | stew | someone forgot his jimmy hat |
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| 14:56.51 | battlex | when using apt-get, how can you stop the installer from prompting you to insert the installation cd? because i want it to just use netinstall |
| 14:56.53 | Enigma | I use exim4 as a mailserver. When using sendmail the default sender of the mail is <username>@<mail-host-name>. If I specify a From: in the mail it is ignored and does not override the default. I can override it with -f in the sendmail-command but how can I allow users to specify it without the -f option? |
| 14:57.13 | beardy | !sources.list |
| 14:57.13 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 14:57.24 | beardy | battlex: Edit it. And use aptitude instead. |
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| 14:57.40 | battlex | beardy: ok thanks |
| 14:58.14 | beardy | battlex: Normal # commenting out, so just comment out the cd lines, add a mirror. |
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| 14:58.24 | beardy | battlex: You're welcome. |
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| 14:58.55 | battlex | what's the difference between apt and aptitude? |
| 14:59.37 | aNOOBis1 | apt-get and aptitude you mean |
| 14:59.51 | battlex | yea |
| 15:00.02 | stew | battlex: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 15:00.03 | aNOOBis1 | aptitude resolves dependencies much better than apt-get and does a lot of other things |
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| 15:00.17 | aNOOBis1 | it is safer to use aptitude if you don't know what you are doing |
| 15:00.33 | aNOOBis1 | and most of the time it is sufficient |
| 15:00.39 | beardy | battlex: Aptitude handles dependceis, and uninstallation of depended packages better, it is the recommended one to use sine Etch, and it also has a nice interactive interface. |
| 15:00.58 | beardy | *dependencies |
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| 15:02.50 | battlex | ah |
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| 15:04.38 | pab | chops: hi, does memcheck86 needs any configuration, or i just boot from it? how much time does it needs for a test? |
| 15:05.11 | chops | pab: It doesn't need any configuration |
| 15:05.18 | chops | pab: It's best to let it run for several hours |
| 15:05.52 | pab | chops: ahh ok, it never ends? |
| 15:06.23 | keith4 | it loops forever |
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| 15:07.08 | pab | how many hours would be reasonable? |
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| 15:08.20 | chops | pab: Correct, it never ends. Longer is better... 2 hours is reasonable. |
| 15:08.32 | keith4 | just let it run overnight |
| 15:08.33 | battlex | how can you add a program to the default runlevel? |
| 15:08.55 | pab | keith4: ok |
| 15:09.04 | beardy | !update-rc.d |
| 15:09.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, update-rc.d is used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
| 15:09.26 | pab | in case it founds something i should change the RAM inmediatly right? |
| 15:10.12 | battlex | beardy: is there a noob friendly debian page? |
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| 15:10.54 | beardy | pab: Yes.. you can be quite sure it is borked if it fins something. There's a badram patch, but.. not sure if it's still maintained, and exists for 2.6, I've used it for 2.4, 2.4.23 had it, then it stayed nicely when patching up. |
| 15:10.56 | asg | battlex: man update-rc.d (lots of examples) |
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| 15:11.14 | beardy | battlex: Regarding what you asked, or in general? |
| 15:11.23 | battlex | beardy: just in general |
| 15:11.31 | beardy | !reference |
| 15:11.32 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 15:11.40 | beardy | That one's good. |
| 15:11.46 | battlex | ok thanks |
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| 15:12.27 | pab | beardy: ok |
| 15:13.08 | toki | slaps a[2121]e around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:13.27 | a[2121]e | slaps toki around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:13.37 | toki | a[2121]e sengal |
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| 15:14.14 | gabriel__ | hi what happened whit xmms in debian testing? |
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| 15:14.20 | a[2121]e | do i know u toki? |
| 15:14.36 | toki | x |
| 15:14.57 | stew | gabriel__: /msg dpkg xmms |
| 15:14.59 | a[2121]e | uhm |
| 15:15.00 | a[2121]e | ok |
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| 15:16.02 | a[2121]e | mu isap gam ke toki? |
| 15:16.07 | a[2121]e | jajajajajajaaj |
| 15:16.15 | stew | a[2121]e: toki: please take this elsewhere. english only in here |
| 15:16.43 | gabriel__ | what msg dpkg xmms? |
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| 15:16.52 | stew | dpkg: tell gabriel__ about xmms |
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| 15:18.39 | gabriel__ | ||119~111122312 |
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| 15:19.43 | ruben | Hello, what si the way to use something like this, SSH_PORT=24, ssh ip wihtout using -p 24? |
| 15:20.08 | SlayerXP | ruben: ~/.ssh/config |
| 15:20.21 | ruben | SlayerXP: wich option? |
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| 15:21.24 | beardy | ruben: Well.. for your user, which is better too.. make an alias, to alias 'ssh -p 24' to 'ssh'. |
| 15:21.43 | themill | beardy: as long as you always want to ssh to port 24 :( |
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| 15:22.03 | beardy | themill: Changing the config is far worse if one thinks like that so.. |
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| 15:22.23 | themill | beardy: except that you can do it per host in the config |
| 15:22.30 | beardy | themill: Oh. |
| 15:22.40 | beardy | Never mind me then. |
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| 15:22.46 | ruben | thank you! |
| 15:23.00 | ruben | themill: is an example, thank you! |
| 15:23.02 | themill | Host foobar\nHostName blah.foo.com\nPort 1234\nUser quux\nHost |
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| 15:23.15 | ruben | thanks SlayerXP works perfect. |
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| 15:24.11 | sinapsis | buenas!! |
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| 15:24.21 | beardy | Nachos. |
| 15:24.23 | blackjack-h | i juse rebooted my pc and now the default audio device is my onboard and not my usb headset, but everytime i booted before the predeterminated device was my headset, what i have to do now? i didnt changed absolutely anything btw |
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| 15:25.30 | Spec | If i'm running an SMP debian box, is there a way to assign certain processes to have an affinity to run on specific processors? |
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| 15:26.10 | chops | Spec: In general it shouldn't be necessary (I'm sure there's a way but I'm not sure how complex it may turn out to be). Why are you trying to do that? |
| 15:26.10 | mw-home | apt-get question. I upgraded to a new version of a package and it sucks, and I want to get the old one again. How to? |
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| 15:26.40 | Spec | chops: i've got two monitoring systems running side by side, and one is taking too much CPU from the other. |
| 15:26.49 | Spec | chops: i might just renice it and see if that helps performance |
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| 15:26.58 | ma3x | what kernel version is the current 4.0 rev3 cd? |
| 15:27.00 | jhr-online | blackjack-h: maybe alsaconf can help you |
| 15:27.23 | beardy | mw-home: If only one package, uninstall it, and install the other one? Also.. use aptitude in the future. And, I'm sure you have some weird setup with mixed sources and so on? |
| 15:27.29 | cahoot | blackjack-h: better still: asoundconf |
| 15:27.46 | chops | Spec: Hm... renice might help. In general I'd just say that your machine is underspecced (or the greedy system is buggy). |
| 15:27.56 | chops | Spec: I'm sure google can help for the CPU affinity approach |
| 15:27.59 | |amen| | hey i have a backtrace of kde crash, when i go to change screensaver could somebody look this? http://rafb.net/p/LBS1cs21.html |
| 15:28.20 | mw-home | beardy: i manually edited /etc/apt/sources.list. is that what you mean? |
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| 15:28.38 | Spec | chops: yeah, it's probably underspec'd |
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| 15:29.06 | chops | Spec: I mean, if you've got processes that want to use more CPU than there is available in the machine... |
| 15:29.40 | chops | Spec: Unless one monitoring system is written under the "I have all the CPU give it all I'll find something to do with it" school of improper server software design |
| 15:29.47 | chops | Spec: (I.e. buggy, as I said above :-) |
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| 15:30.13 | Spec | chops: like oracle :p |
| 15:30.20 | blackjack-h | cahoot, jhr-online ok thanks a lot |
| 15:30.56 | beardy | mw-home: No, I mean that you have both stable, testing or unstable in it. |
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| 15:31.12 | chops | Spec: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-processor-affinity-certain-task-or-process.html |
| 15:31.17 | beardy | mw-home: If you do.. how else did you install a newer version of a package? |
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| 15:32.02 | beardy | mw-home: Using apt-get.. |
| 15:32.02 | mw-home | beardy: oh, I'm using ubuntu, and some outside repositories. |
| 15:32.02 | Spec | chops: neat, it's possible?! :P |
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| 15:32.02 | Spec | hahaha, #debian hates you, mw-home |
| 15:32.02 | beardy | mw-home: Then this is not the place to ask. |
| 15:32.02 | chops | Spec: Yep |
| 15:32.02 | beardy | mw-home: #ubuntu |
| 15:32.26 | delcoyote | hi |
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| 15:34.32 | Spec | chops: hey, that seems cool and easy and dangerous all at once. |
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| 15:34.48 | chops | Spec: Yeah, like I say, it's better to use renice and/or just add CPU |
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| 15:35.32 | Spec | chops: well, it's got two CPUs |
| 15:35.55 | Spec | chops: and four won't help because of the way ESX schedules processes, it'll be waiting for access to all four CPUs more time than actually getting access |
| 15:36.07 | chops | Spec: ESX? |
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| 15:36.53 | chops | Spec: The OS should be abstracting the particular CPUs... unless you have very special needs, the processes running on the system should only be aware of "I'm running now" or "there's no CPU I'm waiting to run". |
| 15:37.47 | Spec | right, i meant the VM's performance, not the specific processes in the VM |
| 15:38.17 | Spec | a quad-proc VM can only be in a run-state when all four procs are available for it to run at the same time |
| 15:38.18 | chops | Spec: I don't understand what you're saying right now. I don't know what ESX is. |
| 15:38.28 | Spec | vmware's enterprise server |
| 15:38.46 | chops | Spec: That's not how it works for any VM I'm aware of... that seems like a grossly wrong way to set it up. |
| 15:38.49 | Spec | whereas a single-proc VM can run when any of the four are available |
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| 15:39.08 | chops | Spec: How many physical CPUs are in the machine? |
| 15:39.13 | chops | Spec: 4? |
| 15:39.15 | Spec | two |
| 15:39.18 | Spec | each are dual core |
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| 15:39.58 | Spec | chops: look up vmware/ESX performance issues with SMP VM's, most people claim single-proc VMs perform way better for that reason |
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| 15:40.08 | Spec | including people who work at vmware, that i've talked to |
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| 15:40.46 | mikeX | hello, I'm using debian sid, and getting the folowing error when trying to `modprobe kvm-intel`: FATAL: Error inserting kvm_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/misc/kvm-intel.ko): Operation not supported |
| 15:41.08 | mikeX | kvm runs, but with no acceleration, version is 65+dfsg-1 |
| 15:41.23 | AgentA | I have a load average: 6.26, 6.00, 6.43. This is unusual high. What could cause this? I already checked with ps auxf what it could be but I didn't see anything unusual ..... |
| 15:41.28 | mikeX | cpu is model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7700 @ 2.40GHz, on HP laptop |
| 15:41.30 | AgentA | perhaps bad hardware |
| 15:41.40 | AgentA | how can I check if my hardware is fine? |
| 15:41.42 | AgentA | is there some program? |
| 15:41.55 | petemc | AgentA: have you looked at top? |
| 15:42.03 | liable | AgentA: top/htop ? for process hog spotting |
| 15:42.13 | petemc | AgentA: most commonly, processes waiting for disk cause the load to go up |
| 15:42.18 | AgentA | yeah can I paste 4 lines? |
| 15:42.27 | petemc | you'll get kicked if you do |
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| 15:42.37 | AgentA | right |
| 15:42.43 | petemc | use a pastebin |
| 15:42.44 | AgentA | well mysqld is on top then httpd |
| 15:42.49 | AgentA | k |
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| 15:43.55 | AgentA | I ran top -d 10 http://pastebin.ca/981131 |
| 15:43.58 | kevindrokovic | cahoot, the alsa is up, the default card is setted, i type alsamixer and it does my headset the default device, but i still cant hear anything |
| 15:44.15 | kevindrokovic | what could this be? i mean :@ |
| 15:44.19 | valdyn | AgentA: load is the average number of process waiting for anything but user input |
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| 15:44.47 | AgentA | valdyn, so, those processes that are waiting are causing this high load? |
| 15:44.50 | valdyn | AgentA: hmm, that definition sucked, anyway its probably processes waiting for disk or network, not cpu |
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| 15:45.15 | valdyn | AgentA: yes |
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| 15:45.59 | valdyn | AgentA: so any network server with concurrent accesses _will_ have rather high load even if all requests can be satisfied just fine and speedy |
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| 15:46.23 | AgentA | valdyn, is there some program which allows me to check if any hardware is broken? |
| 15:46.31 | valdyn | AgentA: no |
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| 15:47.28 | valdyn | AgentA: PC hardware does not support this, even though there's some tools to help with monitoring defects |
| 15:47.49 | AgentA | valdyn, ah interesting, what tools do such a thing? |
| 15:48.20 | valdyn | AgentA: memtest86 can test memory, smart can help finding disk defects |
| 15:48.28 | valdyn | AgentA: but both are really really not reliable tools |
| 15:48.40 | maligor | MCE? |
| 15:48.43 | AgentA | oh I can't reboot the server becuz i'm remotly connected. |
| 15:48.44 | kevindrokovic | hi, i just restarted my computer and now the sound dont work, my default sound card changed, i setted my usb headset again and still nothing, i set the onboard card and still no sound, it worked before i restarted the computer, but i didnt changed anything, just the fstab to add a hdd but thats it, i restarted it to see if my hddrive was added and now the sound dont work. what could this be? how can i fix it? |
| 15:48.56 | maligor | Machine Check Exception that is, not MediaC... |
| 15:49.41 | maligor | not really sure what all MCE includes tho |
| 15:49.49 | valdyn | just cpu issues |
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| 15:50.36 | Nyle | rahul, ping |
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| 15:50.43 | Nyle | hi guys |
| 15:50.57 | wad | I noticed that rsync was just updated (apt-get upgrade). Is there a command that will emit information on what changed? |
| 15:51.03 | valdyn | AgentA: if theres issues there could be something in dmesg |
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| 15:51.15 | AgentA | k |
| 15:51.17 | valdyn | AgentA: but if theres nothing in dmesg that does not mean that there's no issue |
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| 15:51.38 | AgentA | hmm, i wondered if it could be because of damaged hardware that the load is high. |
| 15:51.45 | valdyn | AgentA: i have no idea why you think you got hardware issues |
| 15:51.57 | valdyn | AgentA: is that server with "high" load unused? |
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| 15:52.03 | valdyn | AgentA: not like 6 is high.. |
| 15:52.09 | asg | wad: you could easily check www.debian.org/security |
| 15:52.40 | AgentA | valdyn, 6 was when I restarted the process that appeared on top -d 10. It used to be 8+ |
| 15:52.51 | rahul | oy |
| 15:53.04 | rahul | I bought RAM |
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| 15:53.16 | Nyle | hey listen |
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| 15:53.21 | Nyle | I need to talk to you about something |
| 15:53.27 | Nyle | rahul, wow |
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| 15:53.41 | rahul | mushkin ddr2 800. of course, it's no use in my current system |
| 15:53.42 | lunaphyte__ | how can i tell the package system i don't have a certain package installed any longer? i want to trick it, not actually remove the package? |
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| 15:53.55 | Nyle | what a 'tard |
| 15:53.56 | Nyle | lol |
| 15:54.00 | rahul | but there was a $20 rebate, so I bought it now, before I get my board |
| 15:54.01 | rahul | heh |
| 15:54.05 | Nyle | how much did you spend? |
| 15:54.09 | valdyn | lunaphyte__: dont do it, its nonsense |
| 15:54.13 | Nyle | no more than 50 i hope |
| 15:54.17 | rahul | $60 |
| 15:54.23 | Nyle | its alright |
| 15:54.40 | rahul | yeah, not worth losing sleep over a few bucks |
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| 15:54.48 | Nyle | sleep? |
| 15:54.49 | lunaphyte__ | valdyn: nonsense? |
| 15:54.51 | Sanot | is there a german #Debian channel? |
| 15:54.54 | Nyle | !de |
| 15:54.54 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 15:54.55 | rahul | #debian.de? |
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| 15:55.05 | Nyle | haha |
| 15:55.11 | Sanot | ah thx |
| 15:55.12 | Nyle | irc.beowulf.de |
| 15:55.14 | Nyle | lol |
| 15:55.17 | rahul | heh |
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| 15:56.11 | rahul | foo |
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| 15:56.19 | rahul | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 15:56.19 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 15:59.57 | hardcorelinux | hey I download the madwifi source from sourceforge.net and extracted it and compiled it and I got no kernel modules anyone know what I am doing wrong? |
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| 16:01.42 | liable | !madwifi |
| 16:01.42 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5. |
| 16:01.59 | liable | hardcorelinux: it hasnt been hosted on sourceforge for years |
| 16:02.10 | liable | s/hosted/updated/ |
| 16:02.38 | hardcorelinux | I have the 2.6.18-6-686 kernel |
| 16:03.04 | stew | hardcorelinux: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 16:03.56 | hardcorelinux | stew: what do I do? |
| 16:04.28 | liable | hardcorelinux: you go read the docs at madwifi.org |
| 16:04.39 | liable | hardcorelinux: they are quite comprehensive |
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| 16:08.03 | adama | exactly what does it mean when "packages have been kept back"? |
| 16:08.11 | adama | when doing apt-get upgrade |
| 16:08.13 | stew | adama: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 16:08.53 | adama | ahh I see |
| 16:08.56 | adama | stew:thanks |
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| 16:19.17 | chops | Spec: That strikes me as a horrid design |
| 16:19.30 | chops | Spec: But of course I am not a VM developer nor am I particularly versed in their usage |
| 16:19.45 | Spec | chops: what else could you do? |
| 16:19.54 | Spec | tell the VM it's got four virtual processes, but really only give it two? what benefit is that? |
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| 16:20.33 | Nyle | stew, hi |
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| 16:20.48 | OldJim | guys i need help, i have a file server running debian etch and it just wont boot.... it says something about the /dev/sda1 not beign checked in 27 days and when fsck is on like 3% it just reboot |
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| 16:21.21 | OldJim | what should i do??can i skip this fsck? |
| 16:21.42 | chops | Spec: Give the VM four virtual processors, and when it tries to run on one allocate that one to the VM, I guess... I don't know how feasible that is, of course |
| 16:21.45 | Spec | OldJim: you should probably boot off a cd and run fsck on the drive |
| 16:21.58 | Spec | chops: well, if your application uses all four processors at the same time.... |
| 16:22.12 | Nyle | OldJim, live cd might be good |
| 16:22.13 | chops | OldJim: The problem is the rebooting, not particularly the fsck... has this system been running fine until now? |
| 16:22.22 | Spec | chops: which is a *rare* application, which is why the general recommendation is to run single-CPU VMs on an SMP server |
| 16:22.24 | OldJim | chops, yes |
| 16:22.34 | chops | Spec: ... which almost all are going to, for sort of intermittent definitions of "use"... hm... |
| 16:22.42 | OldJim | chops, was fine until the last boot |
| 16:23.03 | OldJim | chops, i dont believe theres anything wrong with the HD or the filesystem |
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| 16:23.41 | mike-ekim | where can i download the apache2-ssl-certificate scriupt? |
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| 16:24.42 | OldJim | chops, is it possible that theres something wrong with fsck? |
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| 16:25.05 | chops | OldJim: Possible but it sounds unlikely to me. I agree with the suggestion to run fsck from a live cd and see how that goes. |
| 16:25.32 | chops | OldJim: My suspicion is that something's gone wrong with the hardware, so that the machine will reboot even if the fsck issue is solved and the system boots normally, but that's just a guess |
| 16:25.37 | Spec | OldJim: it's more possible something is wrong with the FS |
| 16:25.48 | Spec | OldJim: is it always at 3%? |
| 16:25.55 | Spec | or does it seem the position changes when it crashes? |
| 16:26.07 | Spec | if so, then you should run memtest86+, for sure. |
| 16:26.14 | OldJim | Spec, no, sometimes is 0,5, sometimes 5 |
| 16:26.28 | Spec | OldJim: most *certainly* run a memory tester, i'd say run it before fsck |
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| 16:26.44 | OldJim | tnx i will tey |
| 16:26.45 | Spec | not sure how memory intensive fsck is, but if it is, and it crashes at random, that's a sign of bad memory |
| 16:26.46 | OldJim | try |
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| 16:30.41 | debian | Hello |
| 16:30.59 | debian | I want to see my debian desktop in flash, or java in my webbrowser |
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| 16:31.17 | maligor | amd64? |
| 16:31.32 | maligor | oh.. you mean a remote desktop? |
| 16:31.42 | debian | Yes |
| 16:31.48 | debian | In a browser |
| 16:31.54 | debian | Possibole? |
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| 16:32.25 | OldJim | vnc |
| 16:32.35 | idimmu | flashvnc |
| 16:32.36 | idimmu | surely |
| 16:32.48 | debian | Do I have to configure it? |
| 16:32.49 | maligor | there's java vnc also |
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| 16:33.31 | debian | Flash will be fine |
| 16:33.38 | debian | Or should I use java? |
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| 16:36.07 | Spec | debian: i've never used the flashvnc, but i've used the java version and it's alright. |
| 16:36.09 | Spec | it's usable. |
| 16:36.44 | maligor | might be sandbox restrictions running it in a webbrowser tho (for both) |
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| 16:38.24 | debian | Spec: Is flashvnc the name of the debian package? |
| 16:38.48 | Spec | i have no idea, i've never used the flash one. |
| 16:39.02 | Spec | maligor: sandbox restrictions? |
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| 16:39.16 | debian | Spec: What about the java one? |
| 16:39.39 | Spec | debian: it was a few years ago, i don't remember. i'm sure google knows. |
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| 16:39.44 | Spec | tightvnc + java |
| 16:39.57 | maligor | Spec, would be pretty easy to hack computers if browser plugins allowed unrestricted access |
| 16:40.02 | debian | And this is installed on the host computer? |
| 16:40.15 | debian | The one I want to connect to! |
| 16:40.17 | Spec | maligor: that's correct, it's not a browser plugin, other than java |
| 16:40.18 | maligor | Spec, atleast with windows, since most 'users' run it as admin |
| 16:40.31 | Spec | maligor: it just connects to whatever VNC session is defined for it to connect to |
| 16:40.37 | maligor | what I mean that running it inside the java browser plugin might restrict it |
| 16:40.41 | Spec | so if the VNC session is a privilaged account...you can do it |
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| 16:40.49 | Spec | nope, it doesn't unless you tell it to |
| 16:40.49 | maligor | like not being able to connect to a remote machine |
| 16:41.00 | Spec | i would strongly recommend passwording it, and setting up correct user permissions. ;) |
| 16:41.08 | Spec | maligor: that's all choice, not default necessarily. |
| 16:41.16 | debian | Spec: I think the default is strange |
| 16:41.27 | debian | It should be more restrictive |
| 16:41.40 | Spec | why would you run any vnc service not passworded? |
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| 16:42.00 | debian | I wouldnt |
| 16:42.10 | Spec | well then, it's not at all a problem :p |
| 16:42.33 | debian | But the java thing, I have my debian-box, does I download it, then run it? |
| 16:42.45 | debian | Or do I have to configure my own webserver? |
| 16:43.02 | Spec | don't remember, google knows. |
| 16:43.07 | debian | OK |
| 16:44.27 | debian | Is there any other fun service my debian box can be a server for? |
| 16:44.47 | maligor | debian, if you want it to run inside a webbrowser, there has to be a webserver too, heh |
| 16:44.57 | debian | Ok |
| 16:44.58 | maligor | unless you run it locally |
| 16:44.59 | stew | maligor: this is not true |
| 16:45.21 | maligor | beats me why you'd want to run it inside a webbrowser tho |
| 16:45.29 | debian | I really just wanted an easy package I can aptitude install |
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| 16:47.09 | a133x | hello, having some problems installing vmware-player, i read that i have to downgrade module-init-tools(which has insmod) and it will work. My question is, from where i could get an older package of module-init-tools? I am using debian lenny |
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| 16:48.06 | chops | !tell a133x about snapshot |
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| 16:49.58 | LaptopBrain | is there a debian sparc channel? |
| 16:51.31 | stew | LaptopBrain: #debian-sparc on irc.debian.org |
| 16:51.36 | LaptopBrain | thanks |
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| 16:52.19 | a133x | thanks chops |
| 16:52.19 | hoxu | is the oftc channel bigger than this one yet? |
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| 16:53.30 | chops | a133x: np |
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| 16:54.23 | lkthomas | guys |
| 16:54.30 | lkthomas | if I want to start bridge when debian startup, what should I do ? |
| 16:54.41 | Superbartt | put it in the startup scripts |
| 16:54.55 | hoxu | lkthomas, man 5 interfaces and... |
| 16:55.01 | lkthomas | ok, thanks |
| 16:55.17 | OldJim | chops, well looks like everything is back on |
| 16:55.37 | chops | OldJim: Did you run the memory test? |
| 16:55.45 | hoxu | lkthomas, ok, found it... /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz for the bridge_ options |
| 16:55.55 | lkthomas | ok, thanks |
| 16:55.56 | stew | lkthomas: not startup scripts. it should go into /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:56.04 | lkthomas | yes |
| 16:56.05 | OldJim | chops, funny thing fsck reported that all the HDs and FSs were already clean |
| 16:56.06 | lkthomas | I found that, thanks |
| 16:56.18 | OldJim | chops, no |
| 16:56.35 | hoxu | seems there's a "bridge setup" factoid, too |
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| 16:56.56 | OldJim | chops, the memory is shared among a dozen of machines and only this one was giving me problems |
| 16:57.50 | chops | OldJim: Virtual machine? |
| 16:57.57 | OldJim | chops, yep |
| 16:58.04 | chops | OldJim: Huh |
| 16:58.38 | OldJim | chops, do you think i may have this same problem in the next fsck?in 27 boots |
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| 16:59.09 | chops | OldJim: If the machine is rebooting, I don't think it's particularly a problem with the fsck. Fsck should not be capable of rebooting the machine (at least not automatically) |
| 16:59.42 | chops | OldJim: (Rather at least not accidentally -- I do think it reboots if the root filesystem was modified during the fsck, but that's _after_ the fsck is done) |
| 17:00.08 | OldJim | chops, i see... |
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| 17:01.06 | LaptopBrain | anyone here know much about the state of fc-al support in the 2.6.18 linux kernel? |
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| 17:14.43 | peterius | how do you get rid of "stopped: job-stopped" test page jobs in the printer jobs dialog? |
| 17:15.05 | peterius | also why does foomatic-gui test pages print correctly but admin>printers test pages do not? |
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| 17:16.01 | raz | hmm.. anyone know if there's a way to inspect kernel routing decisions? i have the wierd behaviour that ping to any host stops sending packets after a while. it literally stops - i can wait a minute and cancel and it will say "zero packet loss". and i can restart it against the same host right away and it will again send some packets, then "freeze" that way. ... i guess it must be something wierd with my routes but have no idea how to track it down |
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| 17:18.35 | longin | hello, my DVI output doesnt seem to be working .. im googling some stuff but i cant really find anything. Can you point me somewhere about the DVI ? I have a VGA monitor and monitor with DVI and when i unplug VGA and plug DVI .. nothing happens. The DVI monitor shows it tries to switch between digital and analog, but after few tries it gives up. I have GeForce 6200 and i have set nvidia driver in my xorg.conf. No result. I tried to run nvidia-settings but ther |
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| 17:18.54 | kaffien | is there an issue with debian where the default apache installs will not display imageS? |
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| 17:19.26 | kaffien | whenever i go to http://10.1.48.55/image.jpg all i get is text ... no image. http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n46/kaffien/wontdisplay.jpg any help would be much appreciated |
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| 17:20.05 | stew | kaffien: what about if you "wget http://10.1.48.55/image.jpg" ? |
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| 17:20.45 | stew | kaffien: or, what does "wget -O- http://10.1.48.55/image.jpg | file -" return? |
| 17:20.53 | kaffien | hmmm |
| 17:20.54 | kaffien | brb |
| 17:21.42 | kaffien | connection closed at byte 0 |
| 17:21.45 | kaffien | interesting |
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| 17:22.06 | stew | kaffien: have you checked apache's error.log ? |
| 17:22.11 | kaffien | no errors |
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| 17:28.23 | blizzow | I'm getting extraordinarily slow connections to machines via ssh and the likes. Even when I try and connect via IP address, it's ultra slow. The routing tables look fine. The only thing out of the ordinary that I've done on the box is add some dns servers via the network-admin tool. Could that be causing this hiccup? |
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| 17:29.03 | stew | blizzow: packet loss? |
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| 17:29.39 | blizzow | stew: doesn't look like it. |
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| 17:29.59 | blizzow | sometimes, ping takes a long time to return a response, but the packets do go through. |
| 17:30.22 | event_horizon | blizzow: traceroute looks ok? |
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| 17:31.00 | hoxu | blizzow, messing with DNS servers shouldn't affect it if you connect using IP |
| 17:31.31 | blizzow | yes. |
| 17:31.31 | blizzow | traceroute to pacific.lab.foo.com (172.16.80.225), 30 hops max, 52 byte packets |
| 17:31.31 | blizzow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:32.01 | blizzow | ssh to that same machine takes 15 seconds to come up with a login. |
| 17:32.20 | hoxu | blizzow, from where you ran the traceroute, one hop away? |
| 17:33.02 | blizzow | yes, we're on the same subnet. |
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| 17:33.40 | blizzow | Other machines on my network don't seem to have this issue. |
| 17:33.44 | hoxu | blizzow, what do you get with tcptraceroute <box> 22? |
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| 17:36.33 | kaffien | think i found my issue .... how can i list all the users that are added to this system? |
| 17:36.44 | stew | kaffien: getent passwd |
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| 17:38.01 | blizzow | hoxu: it looks good, just goes straight to it |
| 17:38.01 | blizzow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.42 | hoxu | blizzow, yet when you ssh, it takes long until you get the login prompt? |
| 17:38.48 | blizzow | correct |
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| 17:39.04 | halflife08 | hello folks, is there an application that would configure my dual monitor support on my display card automagically or do i need to manually edit xorg.conf. i am using testing |
| 17:39.38 | hoxu | blizzow, and you get the same behaviour with tcptraceroute/ssh from the box to outside? |
| 17:39.47 | kaffien | hrrm not the issue |
| 17:39.58 | blizzow | and when I actually ping, it takes about 2 or 3 seconds and the ack ack seems to come in slower than normal. |
| 17:40.14 | blizzow | even though the time itself looks good (.130ms) |
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| 17:40.26 | ma3x | after you install msttcorefonts, why can't you see them in gnome or firefox? |
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| 17:43.43 | hoxu | blizzow, you get good ping from outside, and to outside, yet running ping from the box "seems to be slow"? |
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| 17:44.26 | Satuw | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.59 | StucKman | where can I find the kernel config that is used to boot debian installer? |
| 17:45.07 | quitte | blizzow: sounds like a failing dns request to me. |
| 17:45.21 | hoxu | quitte, with the info he gave us that's lined out |
| 17:45.30 | blizzow | quitte: why would it have trouble when I go with the IP address then? |
| 17:45.47 | hoxu | blizzow, you need to provide more information for us |
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| 17:46.03 | quitte | reverse dns lookup, maybe. but i just looked at the last few lines |
| 17:46.05 | hoxu | blizzow, run tcpdump on the box and outside it and try ping/traceroute/tcptraceroute from the box to outside, and from the outside to the box |
| 17:46.20 | ^shark_ | hi guys i am currently running bind on etch but i am getting a " failed assertion". i installed bind using apt-get now i want to upgrade my bind to 9.4.2. How do i do this? |
| 17:46.28 | ^shark_ | i am a newbie! |
| 17:46.38 | hoxu | blizzow, that should give you some ideas hopefully... |
| 17:47.05 | hoxu | !info bind9 etch |
| 17:47.07 | blizzow | I'll take a gander at tcpdump today. Thanks guys. |
| 17:47.08 | dpkg | bind9: (Internet Domain Name Server), section net, is optional. Version: 1:9.3.4-2etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 287 kB, Installed size: 764 kB |
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| 17:48.36 | hoxu | ^shark_, checked backports? /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 17:49.20 | stew | ^shark_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:49.30 | hoxu | stew, etch |
| 17:49.45 | ^shark_ | stew: etch |
| 17:50.16 | stew | ^shark_: check the bug reports on bind9 that mention assertion failure: http://bugs.debian.org/bind9 |
| 17:50.25 | stew | ^shark_: there isn't a simple way for you to upgrade, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:51.26 | ma3x | after you install msttcorefonts, why can't you see them in gnome or firefox? |
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| 17:52.11 | Duddle | hello! can anyone point me to a pam-module like cracklib, but with options like "minimum 1 upper char" etc. - I don't like cracklibs "strength"-system |
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| 17:54.16 | hikenboot | greetings all this is an information query --looking for documents on getting a system from once consisting of bash, awk, make, gcc, g++, autoconf, automake, ncurses, zlib, openssl, openssh, gdb, strace, busybox, GNU coreutils, GNU tar, GNU grep, etc based on uClibc to a minimal debian system with aminimal xsystem |
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| 17:57.36 | drmarwat | hello |
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| 17:58.22 | drmarwat | i have one question : what is the difference between apt-get upgrade & apt-get dist-upgrade ?? |
| 17:58.31 | valdyn | drmarwat: read the manpage |
| 17:59.02 | drmarwat | valdyn: ok, thanks for the guidance |
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| 18:01.18 | pmjdebruijn | lo |
| 18:01.56 | pmjdebruijn | say I were to package an alternative troff, it would easy conflict with groff-base. Should I have my troff to something like htroff? |
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| 18:06.16 | visof | hello |
| 18:06.32 | visof | i have problem with using gcc compiler |
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| 18:06.38 | drmarwat | ! mklivecd |
| 18:06.49 | chops | !wtem visof |
| 18:06.53 | asg | visof: are you going to explain the problem or do we have to guess? |
| 18:06.57 | drmarwat | ? mklivecd |
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| 18:07.04 | asg | my bets are on not having installed build-essential |
| 18:07.21 | visof | asg i can't use stdio.h with gcc |
| 18:07.34 | asg | visof: install build-essential |
| 18:07.44 | visof | asg ok |
| 18:08.14 | hikenboot | can anyone at least tell me what I might search for on google to do this...I just dont know where to begin |
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| 18:09.00 | stew | hikenboot: our recommendation would be to install debian from scratch, either using the isntaller: /msg dpkg ig ; or via debootstrap: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 18:10.20 | hikenboot | right but that would mean a debian system based on glibc not an super small embeded system based on uClibc (micro version of this function) |
| 18:10.42 | hikenboot | I am hopping to build a system under 20-40 megs with xwindows |
| 18:11.37 | hikenboot | am I delving into unexplored territory here? |
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| 18:12.57 | stew | !emdebian |
| 18:12.57 | dpkg | emdebian is probably a project focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is an independent project and not formally associated with the Debian distribution [yet]. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net |
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| 18:13.17 | GregoryA | hi |
| 18:13.27 | GregoryA | I need some help |
| 18:13.32 | hikenboot | thanks stew! |
| 18:13.35 | stew | hikenboot: see the above and possibly http://wiki.debian.org/uclbc?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=uclibc&fullsearch=Text |
| 18:13.39 | GregoryA | does anybody knows a good hoster in Hong Kong ? |
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| 18:18.20 | stew | brosters before hosters |
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| 18:19.27 | asg | brewmasters before * |
| 18:20.10 | GregoryA | I am serious =) |
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| 18:27.53 | dokma | hi guys. is there a way to specify a password to scp? |
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| 18:28.41 | asg | dokma: you are better off using public/private keys |
| 18:28.50 | event_horizon | dokma: man scp ?? |
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| 18:28.56 | dokma | there a prob with that though |
| 18:29.00 | dokma | man has no info |
| 18:29.07 | dokma | and keys are no good for me |
| 18:29.15 | asg | dokma: er, why? |
| 18:29.22 | dokma | because I need to copy files to a dynamic ip domain |
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| 18:29.29 | dokma | so every time the ip changes |
| 18:29.36 | dokma | scp asks for the pass again |
| 18:29.58 | asg | dokma: the ip is irrelevant. The target machine will always have your public key in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. |
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| 18:30.01 | stew | dokma: it shoudlnt'. it would maybe ask you if you accept the host key, but you can disable that |
| 18:30.24 | dokma | stew: ohh... didn't know that one |
| 18:30.42 | dokma | how is that done |
| 18:30.45 | stew | dokma: man ssh_config and search for "Strict" |
| 18:30.57 | dokma | tx a bunch! |
| 18:31.24 | stew | rx |
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| 18:35.43 | expose | How to make sdiff display output with whatever width is needed to display the lines completely? |
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| 18:38.18 | blizzow | !info at |
| 18:38.23 | dpkg | at: (Delayed job execution and batch processing), section admin, is standard. Version: 3.1.10.1 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
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| 18:40.27 | blizzow | Whoa, aptitude install at tells me I need to install: courier-authdaemon courier-authlib courier-authlib-userdb courier-base courier-mta fam libfam0 libltdl3 libperl5.8 perl perl-doc perl-modules and portmap. what the heck?! |
| 18:42.08 | asg | expose: see if 'COLUMNS=128 sdiff ...' does the trick |
| 18:42.43 | stew | blizzow: and you don't agree? |
| 18:42.49 | expose | asg: thanks! |
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| 18:43.17 | expose | asg: it'll be more like 170, but i get the idea :-) |
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| 18:43.31 | blizzow | stew: 44MB of packages to run cron seems a little crazy no? |
| 18:43.39 | chops | blizzow: What are you installing that's leading to that list of packages? |
| 18:43.52 | chops | blizzow: And does aptitude dist-upgrade want to take any actions? |
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| 18:44.12 | blizzow | chops: aptitude install at |
| 18:44.29 | blizzow | chops: aptitude dist-upgrade says I need 0B of anything. |
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| 18:44.44 | chops | blizzow: dist-upgrade doesn't want to install anything or upgrade anything? |
| 18:44.49 | blizzow | correct |
| 18:45.01 | stew | blizzow: which of those do you think you don't need for cron? |
| 18:45.13 | blizzow | Courier MTA to start. |
| 18:45.21 | stew | blizzow: which mta do you want to use instead? |
| 18:45.25 | chops | stew: courier seems a bit excessive, certainly... |
| 18:45.40 | blizzow | Do I even need an mta to run cron? |
| 18:45.44 | stew | blizzow: yes |
| 18:45.56 | stew | blizzow: it can be a small one like ssmtp or nullmailer |
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| 18:47.36 | chops | stew: Oh, I see, you're right. courier is a bad default for aptitude for an MTA to install if one's needed, but I guess a Debian system without an MTA is such a rarity that it makes sense that somewhat odd things would happen sometimes. |
| 18:47.42 | hikenboot | can anyone comment on busybox and bash usage verses ash and busybox..I read that busybox bash does not work yet one example I find uses it |
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| 18:48.37 | stew | ahh, wait, cron only recommends an MTA |
| 18:49.03 | chops | stew: at depends on one |
| 18:49.10 | stew | ok |
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| 18:49.29 | stew | recommends an mta |
| 18:49.39 | asg | even a small one |
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| 18:51.49 | adinc_ | hello i'm looking for a more new version of imagemagick, etch brings 6.2.4 with it. how could i get a newer one or at least 6.2.8 to my installation |
| 18:51.58 | chops | !tell adinc_ about backports |
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| 19:07.03 | adama | I did an apt-get dist-upgrade and now when I run mplayer I get: |
| 19:07.07 | adama | mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 19:07.28 | adama | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 2007-10-23 15:44 /usr/lib/xorg/libGL.so.1 -> /usr/lib/xorg/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 19:07.33 | adama | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 679655 2007-10-23 15:44 /usr/lib/xorg/libGL.so.1.2 |
| 19:08.03 | Airbottl1 | maybe you need a newer version for libgl? |
| 19:08.17 | Airbottl1 | try reinstalling |
| 19:08.33 | chops | adama: Do you by any chance have the nvidia driver installed via the non-Debian method? |
| 19:08.48 | adama | chops: no I'm using ATI |
| 19:09.01 | chops | adama: How did you install the driver? Are you using ATI's driver? |
| 19:09.11 | chops | adama: (As opposed to the free one) |
| 19:09.43 | adama | Driver "ati" |
| 19:10.21 | adama | in xorg.conf |
| 19:10.21 | devsfore1 | Good afternoon everyone. It recently came to my attention that /var/log/mysql is eating up half of my 2GB /var partition! Is it safe to delete its contents? If not, what options do I have? |
| 19:10.23 | chops | adama: So the one from xserver-xorg-video-ati? |
| 19:10.31 | maligor | ati provides packaging scripts for their own driver |
| 19:10.42 | chops | devsfore1: You can reconfigure logrotate to more aggressively rotate mysql's logs |
| 19:10.55 | maligor | or rather they use other's scripts that they packaged into the driver installer |
| 19:10.55 | chops | devsfore1: Or reduce the log level for mysql (in some configurations it logs every query) |
| 19:11.11 | devsfore1 | chops: thanks a bunch; i will investigate those options |
| 19:11.19 | chops | devsfore1: It is safe just to delete the contents (though I wouldn't advise deleting the directory), but that's a temporary solution |
| 19:11.57 | adama | chops: I don't remember where the driver came from |
| 19:12.08 | adama | I haven't restarted X since the upgrade |
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| 19:13.04 | stew | devsfore1: are you logging all queries? are you binary logging? |
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| 19:13.39 | stew | devsfore1: you can safely delete any files from /var/log |
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| 19:14.07 | devsfore1 | stew: how do I tell? /var/log/mysql is heavily populated with mysql-bin.* files (where * is a 6-digit number) |
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| 19:14.56 | chops | If I'm looking at a wireshark dump for a TCP transfer that's mysteriously going slower than the wire speed, and I see occasional "[TCP ACKed lost segment]" packets, is that an indication of packet loss? |
| 19:15.04 | stew | devsfore1: yes, those are teh binary logs. you can remove those and remove the "log_bin" directive from /etc/mysq/my.conf |
| 19:15.54 | devsfore1 | stew: Alright, sweet.After I comment out the log_bin directive, will it still perform normal logging? |
| 19:16.35 | stew | devsfore1: log_bin only involves the creation of thos mysql-bin files (which are used for replication iirc) |
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| 19:16.52 | chops | NM, I see now from the wireshark wiki that that message corresponds to packets being lost in the kernel->wireshark interface, not on the wire |
| 19:17.06 | chops | So it's not an indication of packet loss, just of libpcap not keeping up |
| 19:17.19 | devsfore1 | stew: thanks a bunch for your insight! |
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| 19:29.00 | alexandroos | hello |
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| 19:30.19 | mikiemussina | good day people, but not for me, early this morning after i rebooted my sound stopped working, my sound devices are detected, alsamixer shows me the volume controls of my headset, i cahnge the volume and all, but i simply cant get any sound, and the curious thing is that if i invoque "alsaconf", the alsa configurer dont detect my sound cards, but they are detected automaticly at startup, so i need to know what i can do in this case, when i have the |
| 19:30.20 | mikiemussina | sound card enabled but i simply cant get sound |
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| 19:31.08 | stew | mikiemussina: how are you trying to produce sound? |
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| 19:31.37 | stew | usbeer: yes, that is the file that would control the permissions and ownership |
| 19:31.42 | mikiemussina | stew, reproducing mp3 from vlce, or trying to watch youtube. it worked before but not now |
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| 19:31.57 | stew | mikiemussina: does "aplay /path/to/some/mp3" work? |
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| 19:32.54 | mikiemussina | stew let me check on that |
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| 19:33.41 | mikiemussina | stew, im going to pastebin the error output i got, give me a second |
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| 19:35.15 | mikiemussina | stew, http://pastebin.com/m66da792f here i is, anyone is welcome to see the error and help me by the way, i will appreciate it a lot |
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| 19:36.27 | stew | mikiemussina: so you say "my sound devices are detected". what is making you say that? |
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| 19:37.15 | stew | mikiemussina: can you also pastebin the output of "cat /proc/asound/devices" |
| 19:37.23 | mikiemussina | stew, "asound list" show me my yhree sound cards, and "alsamixer" shows the volume control to my selected card, but i cant get any sound |
| 19:37.37 | mikiemussina | stew, ok |
| 19:37.47 | stew | mikiemussina: you don't have a ~/.asoundrc or a /etc/asoundrc, do you? |
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| 19:38.48 | stew | "asound list" is a new one for me |
| 19:38.51 | mikiemussina | stew, no i dont have thos scripts |
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| 19:38.59 | stew | mikiemussina: what scripts? |
| 19:39.14 | stew | mikiemussina: you don't have /proc/asound/devices? |
| 19:39.20 | stew | mikiemussina: is /proc mounted? |
| 19:39.22 | mikiemussina | well dont know how theyre called stew, but i dont have asoundrc files in any of those directories |
| 19:39.27 | stew | ahh |
| 19:39.27 | mikiemussina | stew im on that |
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| 19:40.33 | mikiemussina | stew, "cat /proc/asound/devices" -> "cat: /proc/asound/devices: no such file or directory" |
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| 19:41.01 | kenjy | how can I rotate a log a t 12am and 12am with logrotate without affect the rest of the logs? |
| 19:41.04 | stew | mikiemussina: how about "cat /proc/asound/cards" ? |
| 19:41.13 | stew | mikiemussina: "asound list" is a command you ran? |
| 19:41.42 | blubberdiblub | more like asoundconf list, i guess |
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| 19:42.04 | mikiemussina | stew, sorry my mistake y ran "asoundconf list" |
| 19:42.36 | mikiemussina | stew wait, i typed bad /proc/asound/devices" now i got output letme pastebin it |
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| 19:44.06 | mikiemussina | stew, http://pastebin.com/m2641ee9 both .../cards and .../devices output there |
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| 19:50.18 | sarefo_home | can i remove a swap partition from a running system? i have two swap partitions on different drives, and want to repartition the second one. |
| 19:50.49 | beardy | Dave2: Good night, off. |
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| 19:53.51 | chops | sarefo_home: You can disable a running swap partition (swapoff). Repartitioning the second disk will only be possible if nothing else is currently using that disk. |
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| 19:54.33 | mikiemussina | stew dont leave me waiting, tell me if you can help me or no please so i can ask for help again |
| 19:54.46 | kenjy | no way? its impossible? Im restricted to use logrotate each day, week or month? |
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| 19:56.46 | yigal | what literature can I read to help me set up a local apt repository of the packages that are installed on my laptop? |
| 19:57.51 | zshzn | I recommend some Dostoevky. Crime and Punishment, anyone? |
| 19:57.58 | sarefo_home | chops: right, that's why i want to kill the swap partition. thx for the hint with swapoff. 'swapoff /dev/hdd6' gives me 'cannot allocate memory'... how can i check if is still active? |
| 19:58.03 | yigal | zshzn: not so bad |
| 19:58.34 | chops | sarefo_home: Do you have enough memory to support what's currently in memory without the benefit of that swap partition? |
| 19:58.37 | yigal | zshzn: I just read some pretty light reading, Omnivore's Dilemma by Pollen probably his most cogent work but he isn't so thought provoking |
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| 19:58.47 | chops | sarefo_home: You can check the currently active swap partitions with: cat /proc/swaps |
| 19:59.17 | quitte | yigal: I like reprepro. iirc it can be fed a list of packages to mirror |
| 19:59.32 | mikiemussina | how can i remove alsa completly with all and i mean i dont want any traces of alsa directories or configuration files |
| 19:59.44 | sarefo_home | chops: ah, that might be the problem. the remaining swap turns out to be tiny. i'll create a bigger swap on hda, then try again. |
| 19:59.47 | yigal | quitte: sounds pretty good, I will look at it |
| 20:00.15 | zshzn | yigal: unfortunately I am unfamiliar with it. I'll write it down |
| 20:00.36 | quitte | yigal: if you want to just put the packages you already have in a repository without updates it's even easier |
| 20:01.40 | yigal | quitte: my purpose is to build a repos. that contains the packages from dpkg --get-selections basically. |
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| 20:02.37 | yigal | quitte: do you know if reprepro do this? |
| 20:03.03 | yigal | quitte: I'm trying to make a custom live CD with the packages I like :) |
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| 20:04.38 | debian | I need name on the proxy that is easy to install! |
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| 20:06.23 | CharminTheMoose | yigal, bootcd is quite good for doing that |
| 20:06.32 | Limbeaux | is there a webmin alternative for debian. i noticed you cant apt get it anymore |
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| 20:06.43 | CharminTheMoose | just use a chroot install of debian to install stuff and the use bootcd to create the iso |
| 20:07.38 | lontra | hi i just install kde4 to play around with it ... and then i went back to gnome and it screwed up fonts in gnome-terminal somehow. now they are all fuzzy when they were very sharp and crisp before. any ideas what i could do to get it back? |
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| 20:08.25 | yigal | CharminTheMoose: I basically want what is in GRML - if you're familiar with the addition of the latest xmonad, ghc, and some haskell libraries |
| 20:10.02 | yigal | CharminTheMoose: I want to start from fresh packages, and it should be compressed etc. |
| 20:10.07 | alexandroos | lontra, maybe u have to re-set your profile on gnome-terminal and choose the best font |
| 20:10.15 | CharminTheMoose | yigal, bootcd does compression |
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| 20:10.23 | lontra | alexandroos: nope |
| 20:10.34 | CharminTheMoose | anywhere from about 500MB down to 200MB of compression |
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| 20:11.14 | yigal | CharminTheMoose: but it builds an image of the existing working debian system right, it doesn't start from "scratch"? |
| 20:11.17 | alexandroos | im afraid i can't help then, lontra |
| 20:11.36 | CharminTheMoose | yigal, you can point the config file to another location |
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| 20:14.10 | chops | lontra: How did you install kde 4? |
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| 20:15.56 | yigal | CharminTheMoose: I like to have the packages from scratch, but bootcd seems pretty quick at creating a liveCD so if I give up, I will use it |
| 20:16.34 | yigal | I think I'm looking at dfsbuild |
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| 20:17.46 | lontra | chops: sudo aptitude install kde4-minimal |
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| 20:19.03 | chops | lontra: You could look back at the dpkg log, and make a go at downgrading one package at a time (the non-KDE ones that were upgraded by that upgrade) and seeing if there's one in particular that causes the gnome terminal to get fixed |
| 20:19.05 | vjoe | hey |
| 20:19.09 | vjoe | anyone here uses sqlite? |
| 20:19.13 | chops | lontra: Then if you felt ambitious, you could file a bug against that package :-) |
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| 20:19.55 | asg | !anyone |
| 20:19.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:20.48 | vjoe | asg, LOL |
| 20:20.50 | vjoe | sorry :P |
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| 20:21.23 | vjoe | basically i have installed sqlite, but I would like to have it running as a service |
| 20:21.25 | vjoe | as mysql |
| 20:21.42 | vjoe | I want this because of lightneasy, an CMS with sqlite support |
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| 20:23.22 | chops | vjoe: I thought the whole point of sqlite was that it didn't use a separate DB process |
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| 20:25.55 | asg | vjoe: sqlite isn't a client/server db in the traditional sense; There is no server, just a set of APIs that the language / software you uses to store data in a file using a SQL syntax. |
| 20:26.10 | vjoe | but then why do I have this error: |
| 20:26.11 | vjoe | Fatal error: Call to undefined function sqlite_open() in /home/hugo/public_html/lightneasy/LightNEasy/install.php on line 44 |
| 20:26.46 | chops | vjoe: Because you haven't installed php-sqlite3 (or php5-sqlite or php5-sqlite3 or something) |
| 20:26.51 | asg | vjoe: you will need to install the php sqlite library (apt-cache search php sqlite) |
| 20:27.28 | vjoe | ahh |
| 20:27.31 | vjoe | ok ok, thank you guys |
| 20:27.33 | vjoe | :) |
| 20:28.33 | cockroach | hrm, how to i tell apt to only install hard dependencies and not care about recommendations etc.? |
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| 20:31.46 | chops | cockroach: Search 'man aptitude' for 'recommend' |
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| 20:32.39 | AndreWe | Is there a package for libghc6-gtk-dev for lenny? |
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| 20:33.29 | AndreWe | Is apt-get.org the right place to search? If so, then there probably is no such package :-( |
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| 20:36.07 | damnnazi | sup |
| 20:36.10 | stew | quilt support in dpkg \*/ |
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| 20:37.55 | AndreWe | ??? |
| 20:37.55 | stew | AndreWe: http://packages.debian.org is the right place to search |
| 20:38.11 | vjoe | hm asg and chops |
| 20:38.18 | vjoe | i've installed the package and restarted apache |
| 20:38.25 | vjoe | but the error still appears |
| 20:39.04 | AndreWe | Thank you, stew. |
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| 20:42.36 | kspath | Sarge gets no new security updates after March 31st, 2008 ? |
| 20:43.06 | jmj | hey guys. I'm looking for the debian correct way to add one extra patch to a default debian kernel. Can someone point me in the right direction? |
| 20:43.07 | streuner | yes |
| 20:43.19 | streuner | it ended at 03/31/2008 |
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| 20:43.27 | kspath | thank you |
| 20:43.33 | streuner | np |
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| 20:44.50 | streuner | jmj: /msg dpkg kp and read the last URL there |
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| 20:45.47 | chops | vjoe: Which php are you running and which package did you install? |
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| 20:45.55 | chops | vjoe: And which sqlite does that CMS package want? |
| 20:46.11 | vjoe | i have php5, I have installed php5-sqlite |
| 20:46.23 | vjoe | regarding the 3rd question... |
| 20:46.28 | streuner | dpkg, no sarge is <reply> Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security ended at 03/31/2008. |
| 20:46.29 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 20:46.29 | chops | vjoe: I would try php5-sqlite3 then |
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| 20:47.08 | Tenkawa | Any recommendations on clustered filesystems that work decently with debian? |
| 20:47.09 | vjoe | hm yes. it is that one I have installed, sorry |
| 20:47.14 | vjoe | i forgot the 3 |
| 20:47.39 | streuner | dpkg, sarge =~ s/security/security support/ |
| 20:47.39 | dpkg | streuner: OK |
| 20:47.48 | maligor | Coda? |
| 20:47.50 | stew | dpkg: sarge is also sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch> |
| 20:47.50 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 20:48.09 | chops | vjoe: Okay, then I would try the php5-sqlite package :-) |
| 20:48.33 | Tenkawa | I've used ocfs2 in redhat.. just not sure how decent it works in debian |
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| 20:48.58 | Tenkawa | doh |
| 20:49.10 | Tenkawa | ocfs2 is already in the kernel.. nm.. I'll just use it |
| 20:49.30 | vjoe | chops, :P |
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| 20:50.54 | vjoe | chops, |
| 20:50.56 | vjoe | big thanks man! |
| 20:50.58 | vjoe | :D |
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| 20:51.36 | chops | vjoe: np |
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| 20:54.30 | streuner | argh, what kind of crap does he (DJ) play sometimes? - http://80.237.206.16:7620 - well, now he play something better (Big Country) |
| 20:54.30 | becki | hi |
| 20:55.16 | becki | i've got something strange. i've got a usb hdd plugged in into my lenny system. i mounted it and i can write data to it, fine. but i cannot execute something |
| 20:55.18 | becki | becki@boerek:/media/exthdd/qt/anmeldung$ ./anmeldung |
| 20:55.18 | becki | bash: ./anmeldung: Permission denied |
| 20:55.20 | becki | becki@boerek:/media/exthdd/qt/anmeldung$ file anmeldung |
| 20:55.22 | becki | anmeldung: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped |
| 20:55.25 | becki | becki@boerek:/media/exthdd/qt/anmeldung$ |
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| 20:56.05 | streuner | that says nothing |
| 20:56.09 | becki | so "anmeldung" is a executable but it says permission denied, but ls -l says "-rwxr-xr-x" about "anmeldung" |
| 20:56.13 | streuner | set the script more -v |
| 20:56.33 | streuner | via "-x" |
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| 20:57.28 | Rat409 | becki: check /etc/fstab,it's probly noexec by default |
| 20:57.41 | streuner | also, we have no idea what the script do at all... |
| 20:57.45 | streuner | or should do |
| 20:57.49 | becki | LABEL=exthdd /media/exthdd ext3 user,defaults 0 1 |
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| 20:58.03 | Rat409 | hmmm |
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| 20:58.05 | becki | streuner, its with every binary |
| 20:58.28 | becki | Rat409, perhaps defaults means noexec, but on / and /home i've got defaults and thats enough... |
| 20:58.41 | Rat409 | true |
| 20:58.51 | chops | becki: What's /proc/mounts say about that mount? |
| 20:59.12 | becki | ah, it says noexec |
| 20:59.16 | chops | becki: Ah |
| 20:59.20 | becki | so, i shoukd add the option exec |
| 20:59.20 | chops | becki: Are you using an automounter? |
| 20:59.25 | becki | no |
| 20:59.39 | chops | becki: Strange that it would add noexec then |
| 21:00.27 | stew | becki: what command did you use to mount it? |
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| 21:00.40 | becki | stew, mount /media/exthdd/ |
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| 21:00.53 | becki | ah |
| 21:00.54 | stew | becki: as user or root? |
| 21:00.55 | becki | it works |
| 21:01.01 | chops | becki: Has fstab changed since you mounted it? |
| 21:01.04 | becki | i added the option exec to fstab |
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| 21:02.15 | becki | now it works, thanks! |
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| 21:11.28 | rahul | hmm a realtek 888T sound chip and rtl8111B gigE chip will probably be painful under linux, right? |
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| 21:12.58 | maligor | ALC888? |
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| 21:13.08 | rahul | I think so |
| 21:13.08 | vjoe | btw asg, how can I open a .db file? |
| 21:13.27 | rahul | vjoe: .db means nothing |
| 21:13.36 | rahul | it means "contains stuff" |
| 21:13.38 | maligor | rahul, both are probably included in the kernel |
| 21:13.44 | chops | vjoe: That's one of your sqlite files? |
| 21:13.54 | vjoe | yep |
| 21:13.57 | rahul | maligor: drivers existing and drivers working are 2 different things |
| 21:14.14 | maligor | usually if they're in the kernel, they are functional |
| 21:14.26 | rahul | maligor: not true. |
| 21:14.34 | chops | vjoe: I'd expect you use the 'sqlite' program on them |
| 21:14.34 | maligor | functional as in: do something :P |
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| 21:14.44 | rahul | maligor: that's not even necessarily true |
| 21:14.57 | vjoe | chops, the CLI one? |
| 21:15.01 | maligor | rahul, well, that's my personal experience, specific configurations might not |
| 21:15.02 | rahul | sb16 was badly broken just before 2.6 was released |
| 21:15.02 | chops | vjoe: Correct |
| 21:15.12 | halflife08 | hello folks nm-applet shows no network connection even though i am connected to the network . i am not sure how to diag the problem. i am using testing |
| 21:15.13 | maligor | or Obsolete. |
| 21:15.25 | maligor | jeez... sb16 |
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| 21:15.31 | vjoe | chops, don't you know a GUI one? |
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| 21:15.33 | rahul | tulip also has issues with some cards |
| 21:15.36 | maligor | the integrated are better :P |
| 21:15.40 | halflife08 | and using gnome. i upgraded from stable. to testing . |
| 21:16.01 | rahul | maligor: sure... this was before integrated audio actually had audio processing circuitry |
| 21:16.11 | chops | vjoe: I don't _know_ any of this, I'm just poking around with apt-cache and such and getting back to you :-) |
| 21:16.17 | rahul | moving the mouse in those days would make your sound warble |
| 21:16.23 | chops | vjoe: You might investigate sqlitebrowser |
| 21:16.38 | vjoe | ok, thank you ;) |
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| 21:16.43 | chops | vjoe: np |
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| 21:17.30 | Jemt | Greetz. Is the CPU temperature available in a file in ie /proc or similar ? |
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| 21:17.51 | maligor | Jemt, yes, it is |
| 21:18.06 | Jemt | maligor: Do you know which file it is ? |
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| 21:19.15 | maligor | Jemt, depends on the driver, but it's in sysfs, not proc |
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| 21:20.16 | maligor | acpi info might be in proc |
| 21:20.19 | Jemt | Ok, thanks |
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| 21:22.06 | stew | Jemt: /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature or so |
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| 21:23.18 | Jemt | Thanks a lot, stew :) |
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| 21:23.53 | rocketmagnet | hi, is there a debian way of enabling auto update ? |
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| 21:24.48 | stew | rocketmagnet: auto update of what? apt? |
| 21:24.59 | jonphilpott_ | does anyone know of a guide to creating a new package? the clisp package i ahve is version 2.41, but i need to compile a version 2.44.1 but still have the debian common-lisp stuff in it. |
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| 21:26.15 | Jemt | Dammit - my CPU temperature does not show. And I really want to disable the fan on my 800 Mhz VIA CPU - it got a passive cooling block as well |
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| 21:26.56 | rahul | then you'd want to use lmsensors |
| 21:27.12 | Jemt | rahul, Okay, I'll look into that. Thanks :) |
| 21:27.35 | Jemt | rahul, Not part of repos ? |
| 21:28.42 | jonphilpott_ | rahul: give me your skills |
| 21:28.43 | Jemt | How do I disable the beeping from the console temporary ? |
| 21:28.52 | stew | Jemt: /msg dpkg bell |
| 21:29.02 | Jemt | Nifty ^^ |
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| 21:29.16 | rahul | jonphilpott_: take the diff from the debian sources and apply it to the source tree for 2.44.1 |
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| 21:29.37 | rahul | jonphilpott_: then use dpkg-buildpackage to build an unsigned binary |
| 21:30.00 | rahul | Jemt: no, it should be in the repoos |
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| 21:30.44 | Jemt | ah, "lm-sensors" |
| 21:31.02 | rahul | yeah, there you go :) |
| 21:31.05 | jonphilpott_ | rahul: excellent. |
| 21:32.00 | afink | Could someone help me out with the bot search string for flash player? |
| 21:32.14 | rahul | jonphilpott_: it'll be something like dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc -us or something.... |
| 21:32.41 | jonphilpott_ | rahul: the berkeley-db module is broken in 2.41 :( |
| 21:32.49 | rahul | doh |
| 21:32.59 | afink | nm got thanks! |
| 21:33.02 | rahul | you could submit a bug to debian about that |
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| 21:38.46 | yigal | can I use apt to download a file to a specified folder other than /var/cache/apt/archives ? |
| 21:39.12 | simonrvn | man apt-get |
| 21:39.38 | yigal | simonrvn: ok, I guess it is in there, I saw -d but not a specific folder, must read more carefully |
| 21:39.52 | real0ne | can any one help me and send me how to configure kmail with yahoo because i can't do it |
| 21:40.10 | stew | yigal: you'd need to set the Dir::Cache setting using -o (man apt.conf as well) |
| 21:40.36 | yigal | stew: thanks, no more help, I need to do it on my own |
| 21:41.01 | simonrvn | good attitude |
| 21:41.14 | simonrvn | yigal++ |
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| 21:45.03 | yigal | simonrvn: :) |
| 21:45.25 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 21:47.36 | Jemt | I have just bought a VIA Motherboard with a C3 800 Mhz embedded CPU. The CPU i cooled with a passive cooling block and on top of that an active fan. Does anyone know whether it would be unwise to disable the fan ? It really annoyes me - I don't want a quite PC - I want a 100% silent PC |
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| 21:48.43 | simonrvn | sound proof the case? ;p |
| 21:49.17 | Jemt | Nah, I want to kill the fans :p |
| 21:49.57 | rocketmagnet | stew: for security updates |
| 21:50.26 | stew | rocketmagnet: cron-apt ; it will run update an notify you when they are ready to be installed |
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| 21:52.38 | chops | Jemt: Chances are that if the fans aren't necessary they wouldn't have been included |
| 21:53.12 | Jemt | chops: But the 600 Mhz version dosn |
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| 21:53.17 | Jemt | chops: But the 600 Mhz version dosn't have a fan |
| 21:53.37 | Jemt | Only 200 Mhz more |
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| 21:54.00 | rocketmagnet | stew: ty, do you know where i find the logs of the iptables firewall for debian ? |
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| 21:54.23 | stew | rocketmagnet: /var/log/auth.log |
| 21:54.32 | chops | Jemt: If there's another model that doesn't have a fan, I'd say the likelihood that the fan is required are markedly improved |
| 21:54.52 | chops | Jemt: FWIW, I use a fanless computer at home; it's quite nice: http://www.cappuccinopc.com/slimpro-sp625f.asp |
| 21:54.53 | Jemt | chops, That sounds reasonable |
| 21:55.06 | rocketmagnet | again thx |
| 21:55.08 | Jemt | Checking |
| 21:55.22 | Jemt | chops: But I |
| 21:55.39 | Jemt | chops: OMG it |
| 21:55.43 | Jemt | chops: OMG it's nice ! :) |
| 21:55.52 | chops | Jemt: It's always treated me well |
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| 21:56.14 | chops | Jemt: My only advice is to get more than 256MB of memory :-) |
| 21:56.23 | Jemt | How much did you pay ? |
| 21:56.31 | martian67 | ram is super cheap right now |
| 21:56.34 | martian67 | at least ddr2 |
| 21:56.35 | Jemt | chops: I got 1 GB - the max it takes |
| 21:56.44 | chops | Jemt: I don't remember off the top of my head; I think it was around $900-1000 |
| 21:56.58 | chops | Jemt: I'm sure they're much cheaper now; I've had it for years |
| 21:57.10 | chops | Jemt: Anyway, good luck, gtg |
| 21:57.40 | rahul | I just bought 4 GB for $60 |
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| 21:57.59 | Jemt | chops. Okay. I payed close to $200 for my computer (hardware parts) including case, MB (incl. CPU), RAM, 8 GB Flash Card, Flash>IDE controller :) |
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| 21:58.26 | yigal | is there a way to give preference to a source over others for apt-get? |
| 21:58.40 | rahul | man 5 apt_preferences |
| 21:58.48 | rahul | look at the stuff about priority |
| 21:58.50 | yigal | ok another one |
| 21:58.55 | yigal | I'm dense :) |
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| 21:59.10 | rahul | apt pinning |
| 21:59.11 | apt | methinks pinning is 'man apt_preferences', or add testing and unstable lines to sources.list, create /etc/apt/preferences containing "Package: *\nPin: release a=testing\nPin-Priority: 900\n\nPackage: *\nPin: release o=Debian\nPin-Priority: -10\n", then apt-get install foo/unstable, or at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2002/4/mail#1, or read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200212/msg00659.html |
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| 22:04.47 | yigal | rahul: I see priority, distribution but not source, am I missing something? |
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| 22:05.19 | extor | How do I connect to the X-Server on a remote box? The box is listening on port 6000 according to nmap so I assume it is ready, but what client do I launch from my own box? |
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| 22:05.48 | rahul | yigal: what do you mean source? |
| 22:05.54 | master_alvaro | hello, i have problem with printing in adobe acrobat reader 8 |
| 22:06.07 | master_alvaro | adobe reader use lpr |
| 22:06.10 | streuner | master_alvaro: cups? |
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| 22:06.37 | yigal | rahul: I just installed a local repository and added the location to sources.list and I would like to install with apt-get this package and see if my repos. is working or not |
| 22:06.41 | master_alvaro | i installed cupsys-bsd, cupsys-client, etc, but adobe still not printing\ |
| 22:06.59 | master_alvaro | streuner: lpr from cupsys-bsd |
| 22:07.00 | rahul | yigal: use aptitude |
| 22:07.15 | yigal | rahul: so aptitude can do this |
| 22:07.23 | rahul | you can pick which package you want to install |
| 22:07.38 | yigal | rahul: but what about the source from which the packages come? |
| 22:07.40 | streuner | master_alvaro: does it print at all? :-) |
| 22:08.04 | yigal | rahul: this is what I'm interested in selecting |
| 22:08.05 | rahul | that's distribution |
| 22:08.09 | master_alvaro | streuner: yes, cups generally work, i can print with gedit or evince |
| 22:08.24 | master_alvaro | only lpr not found |
| 22:08.27 | rahul | yigal: create a "Release" file |
| 22:08.42 | master_alvaro | "lpstat -p" see my printers |
| 22:08.42 | rahul | yigal: with origin, label, and archive fields |
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| 22:08.49 | master_alvaro | lpq see printer status |
| 22:08.52 | rahul | Origin: yigal, etc |
| 22:09.07 | yigal | rahul: oh, create unique one then specify with apt-pinning |
| 22:09.13 | rahul | yes |
| 22:09.15 | yigal | ok |
| 22:09.22 | yigal | rahul: that makes sense, thanks |
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| 22:11.03 | master_alvaro | streuner: what maybe wrong in my debian? |
| 22:11.26 | jimbalaya | if i upgrade my kernel from 2.6.18-6-686 to the same version (security update?) will i still need to rebuild my custom modules? |
| 22:11.26 | master_alvaro | sry for my bad English, but it isn't my native language |
| 22:11.40 | streuner | master_alvaro: nothing? |
| 22:11.55 | streuner | master_alvaro: do you see the printer in preferences? |
| 22:12.39 | master_alvaro | streuner: prerefences? gnome? yes, i see all my printers in gnome |
| 22:12.42 | streuner | master_alvaro: just hit the print button and look at the top |
| 22:12.53 | streuner | no, in adobe reader |
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| 22:13.07 | master_alvaro | yes, adobe see my printers |
| 22:13.29 | streuner | what does it say about the status? |
| 22:13.33 | streuner | ready? |
| 22:13.35 | master_alvaro | HP Deskjet 710C, ML-7000P and epson dx4000 |
| 22:13.52 | streuner | uhm, do you have really 3 printers? :-) |
| 22:13.55 | master_alvaro | streuner: yes, with cupsys-bsd all is "ready" |
| 22:13.59 | master_alvaro | streuner: yes ;p |
| 22:14.29 | master_alvaro | with lpr package adobe didn't see printers status |
| 22:14.45 | master_alvaro | but now i have cupsys-bsd package |
| 22:15.38 | streuner | ok, its only a configure thingie (my guess) |
| 22:15.41 | streuner | then |
| 22:16.32 | streuner | just set default printer in CUPS and use that in adobe reader |
| 22:16.51 | streuner | just try that, iam out of ideas if that doesnt work then |
| 22:17.04 | master_alvaro | ML-7000P is set as default |
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| 22:18.26 | master_alvaro | streuner: do you have a adobe reader? |
| 22:19.27 | streuner | acroread |
| 22:19.39 | streuner | from marillat, what do you use now? |
| 22:20.40 | streuner | (package from adobe) |
| 22:21.29 | rahul | gah |
| 22:21.37 | rahul | all the motherboards out there now are crap |
| 22:21.55 | master_alvaro | i have debian testing/unstable (apt-pinning) and acroread from debian-multimedia (testing) |
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| 22:22.16 | rahul | they have nothing worthwhile onboard (at least, it all seems to be realtek, so drivers will be a mess) and they have hardly any pci slots |
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| 22:22.26 | streuner | master_alvaro: any other printer daemon installed (lpr or such)? |
| 22:22.56 | streuner | or lprng |
| 22:23.20 | master_alvaro | streuner: lpr from cupsys-bsd http://packages.debian.org/lenny/cupsys-bsd, |
| 22:23.25 | master_alvaro | not lprng |
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| 22:27.12 | macondo | I'm having this problem: http://pastebin.ca/981594, what should I do? |
| 22:27.51 | streuner | !Dynamic MMap |
| 22:27.51 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 22:28.31 | macondo | ah, I was doing that but to the incorrect file |
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| 22:28.45 | streuner | also |
| 22:28.48 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 22:28.48 | dpkg | it has been said that unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 22:28.49 | themill | macondo: you should also replace "stable" with "etch" in your sources.list so that you don't get a nasty surprise when lenny becomes stable. |
| 22:29.04 | streuner | macondo: read (9) |
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| 22:29.31 | themill | macondo: And I hope you know why you've got sid in your sources.list ;) |
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| 22:30.31 | andykelley | I have this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/84762 |
| 22:30.38 | streuner | macondo: just show us your sources.list too |
| 22:30.50 | andykelley | Except unplugging and plugging back in the mouse doesn't work. lsusb hangs. |
| 22:30.54 | andykelley | anyone know how to fix it? |
| 22:30.54 | themill | andykelley: under debian? |
| 22:30.57 | streuner | andykelley: /topic |
| 22:30.57 | andykelley | debian lenny |
| 22:31.13 | streuner | andykelley: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:32.08 | andykelley | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:32.10 | macondo | streuner: http://pastebin.ca/981605, bare in mind I'm very new do debian |
| 22:32.26 | macondo | s/do/to |
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| 22:33.17 | macondo | and I dropped sid |
| 22:33.34 | streuner | macondo: well, you need 2 lines, one for security and one for official mirror |
| 22:33.47 | streuner | and dont mix lenny and etch |
| 22:34.16 | andykelley | Linux debian 2.6.22-2-k7 #1 SMP Fri Aug 31 01:02:37 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:34.26 | streuner | andykelley: isnt there a similar bug in Debian? |
| 22:34.47 | andykelley | streuner: probably. I haven't found a solution. |
| 22:34.52 | streuner | or why do you use ubuntu's BTS? |
| 22:34.58 | andykelley | google |
| 22:35.07 | andykelley | I just googled it |
| 22:35.10 | streuner | so just use BTS now |
| 22:35.32 | streuner | bugs.debian.org/<package> |
| 22:35.38 | macondo | streuner: actually what I want are the testing packages, I've probably messed everything up |
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| 22:36.12 | streuner | if you have some unstable packages installed, yes |
| 22:36.20 | andykelley | streuner: what package is it? I know the module causing me grief is probably ohci_hcd |
| 22:36.42 | streuner | hm, thats in kernel |
| 22:37.11 | andykelley | I have more recent kernels available for booting to, that might fix the problem |
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| 22:37.23 | andykelley | but there isn't an nvidia driver for them yet :-/ |
| 22:37.34 | streuner | sounds like testing then |
| 22:37.50 | streuner | just read /msg dpkg nvidia (wiki.debian.org) about |
| 22:38.28 | streuner | basically you need the packages out of unstable then |
| 22:38.37 | andykelley | you can mix those? |
| 22:38.47 | streuner | no |
| 22:38.57 | streuner | just use <simple sid backport> |
| 22:39.18 | andykelley | I don't understand the /msg dpkg nvidia (wiki.debian.org) about |
| 22:39.21 | andykelley | what is that? |
| 22:39.38 | streuner | !nvidia |
| 22:39.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 22:39.51 | streuner | (the URL which is in the factoid) |
| 22:40.34 | andykelley | oh, it was a bot command |
| 22:41.33 | andykelley | streuner: ok, cool. so you suggest using the most recent kernel on my system and using that guide to get nvidia going on it? |
| 22:42.00 | streuner | sure |
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| 22:42.10 | andykelley | heh |
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| 22:43.17 | yigal | rahul: I'm doing something wrong I put in /etc/apt/preferences : Package: *\nPin: release l="Yigal", o="Local"\nPin-Priority: 1001. But when I do "apt-get --print-uris -d install vim" I get a non local repository, what am I doing wrong? |
| 22:43.26 | vjoe | cya |
| 22:43.33 | streuner | dont use pinning |
| 22:43.44 | yigal | streuner: what am I supposed to do instead? |
| 22:43.44 | streuner | otherwise you get headaches :-) |
| 22:43.49 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 22:43.49 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 22:43.51 | yigal | oh :) |
| 22:43.58 | stew | yigal: what is your goal? |
| 22:44.16 | streuner | (which package do you need) |
| 22:44.25 | yigal | stew: I have a local repository and I would like to use it, rather than a remote one |
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| 22:44.32 | stew | i don't think he is necessarily trying to mix releases |
| 22:44.39 | yigal | as a preference |
| 22:44.40 | stew | yigal: does it publish a Release file? |
| 22:44.48 | streuner | .oO (that causes serious headaches too) |
| 22:44.58 | stew | its not bobbitt though |
| 22:45.06 | yigal | stew: yes, I altered the Release to the characteristics listed above |
| 22:45.38 | yigal | Origin: Local\nLabel: Yigal |
| 22:46.18 | streuner | everything else vs. just using official mirrors is bobbitt :-) |
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| 22:46.22 | yigal | but it gives me remote uris so I must be doing something retarded |
| 22:46.38 | yigal | streuner: I want to store a partial mirror, I should be able to do that? |
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| 22:48.05 | yigal | stew: I commented out all of the sources except the local one and the local repos was there so it's my fault at imporoper pinning I think |
| 22:48.27 | yigal | any help would be appreciated |
| 22:49.08 | stew | yigal: the thing to be checking (fi you aren't already) is "apt-cache policy packagename" |
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| 22:49.46 | yigal | thank you |
| 22:50.07 | stew | yigal: you could also put a suite into the release file like "etch-yigal" and pin based on suite maybe |
| 22:50.10 | yigal | stew: no then my pinning is not in the policy, |
| 22:50.51 | yigal | stew: /etc/apt/preferences is the right file to modify right? |
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| 22:51.16 | kevindrokovic | is there any free software to connect to skype network? |
| 22:51.29 | themill | kevindrokovic: no |
| 22:51.40 | stew | yigal: yes |
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| 22:52.03 | yigal | ok, then is there a special way I'm supposed to update the policy? |
| 22:52.10 | kevindrokovic | themill so the only way is using skype trough wine? |
| 22:52.31 | themill | kevindrokovic: no, there is a linux version of skype too. |
| 22:52.38 | themill | !tell kevindrokovic about skype |
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| 22:52.48 | kevindrokovic | ... |
| 22:53.05 | [intra]lanman | have any of you heard this linux documentary? 12132711252 |
| 22:54.08 | DirkGently | http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/ |
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| 22:54.40 | cizzi | http://www.learningshells.com |
| 22:55.35 | cizzi | i set this up last year for students or anyone who wants to try debian |
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| 22:57.15 | streuner | cizzi: nice |
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| 22:57.32 | cizzi | ty |
| 22:59.23 | yigal | stew: this is interesting the policy gives a different origin than my Release? |
| 22:59.52 | yigal | my origin is Debian in the policy but Local in the Release. |
| 22:59.58 | yigal | ? |
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| 23:05.39 | andykelley | streuner: I just used NVIDIA's install script |
| 23:05.51 | andykelley | it was so much easier this time than the first time I tried it, like a year ago |
| 23:05.54 | streuner | evil |
| 23:06.05 | andykelley | ha |
| 23:06.10 | streuner | :-) |
| 23:06.21 | streuner | !listkeys nvidia |
| 23:06.25 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'nvidia' by key (13 of 94): #debian nvidia install ;; #debian nvidia one-liner ;; #debian nvidia-graphics-drivers ;; #debian nvidia-howto ;; _default nvidia installer ;; _default nvidia os dk ;; _default nvidia-howto ;; _default why nvidia-installer sucks ;; _default xorg-nvidia ;; nvidia dpi ;; nvidia howto ;; nvidia-graphics-drivers ;; nvidia_experimental. |
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| 23:06.35 | streuner | !why nvidia-installer sucks |
| 23:06.35 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. |
| 23:07.03 | andykelley | there was no package for it |
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| 23:07.30 | streuner | true, there are no packages in lenny |
| 23:07.32 | andykelley | I'd have to get it from sid or something |
| 23:07.34 | andykelley | bleh |
| 23:07.51 | andykelley | what's the difference between k7 and 686? |
| 23:08.07 | streuner | !k7 |
| 23:08.08 | dpkg | i heard k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 23:08.30 | andykelley | cool |
| 23:08.33 | andykelley | then I'm doing the right thing |
| 23:08.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | Ah! I figured out my NFS problem! I'm getting a "no more tlabels left while sending to node" error |
| 23:08.40 | Blast_Hardcheese | right before the nfs-kernel-server crashes |
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| 23:08.46 | andykelley | ...except for using NVIDA's script |
| 23:09.03 | Blast_Hardcheese | Has anyone else experienced this? I'm trying to copy over a loopback mounted NFS share, over 127.0.0.1 |
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| 23:09.20 | Cusoon959 | What's the netcat command that lists current connections (IP/port)? |
| 23:09.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | I do have a firewire card, but I don't know how it could interfere. Most of the results on Google seem to be for Firewire problems |
| 23:09.50 | streuner | Cusoon959: why not using iptraf? |
| 23:09.50 | themill | Cusoon959: netstat is what you are looking for. netstat -pant |
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| 23:09.57 | Cusoon959 | sorry |
| 23:09.59 | Cusoon959 | not netcat |
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| 23:10.03 | Cusoon959 | netstat >< |
| 23:10.05 | Cusoon959 | dolt ;p |
| 23:10.13 | Cusoon959 | Thanks themill :) |
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| 23:10.17 | themill | np |
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| 23:12.53 | yigal | stew: oh, apt-pinning syntax :), o="something" =/ o=something, did away with double quotes and everything works now |
| 23:12.57 | yigal | :) |
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| 23:16.08 | Soskel | hi |
| 23:16.26 | Soskel | is the sshd for debian 4 written in python? |
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| 23:16.37 | azeem | no |
| 23:16.56 | Soskel | what's it written in ? |
| 23:17.02 | azeem | Soskel: what research did you do before asking? |
| 23:17.29 | Soskel | googled sshd debian scripting language |
| 23:17.44 | azeem | how about looking at the code? |
| 23:18.19 | Soskel | I googled debian 4.0 shhd source |
| 23:18.21 | azeem | or at least the package dependencies, which usually give good hints |
| 23:18.34 | azeem | Soskel: are you running debian 4.0? |
| 23:18.59 | Soskel | yeah |
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| 23:19.37 | azeem | !source |
| 23:19.37 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
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| 23:20.20 | Soskel | got it though |
| 23:20.21 | Soskel | thanks |
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| 23:20.55 | themill | dpkg: source =~ s/ as any/As any/ |
| 23:20.55 | dpkg | themill: OK |
| 23:21.27 | azeem | dpkg: source =~ s/ as root/As root/ |
| 23:21.27 | dpkg | OK, azeem |
| 23:21.35 | themill | !win azeem |
| 23:21.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, azeem! You have won a one way ticket to Beirut! |
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| 23:21.47 | themill | (that was next) |
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| 23:22.08 | yigal | apt-cache tells me my local repository is now at a priority of 1001, but apt-get still wants to install from a remote server? |
| 23:22.31 | yigal | can someone think of why this is happening? |
| 23:22.32 | azeem | run apt-cache policy on the package |
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| 23:23.07 | RuyalarPrensi | hi all good night |
| 23:23.20 | RuyalarPrensi | Can I speak Turkish? |
| 23:23.22 | yigal | azeem: ok, I did this, all but my repos. are 500? |
| 23:23.34 | yigal | RuyalarPrensi: can you? |
| 23:23.36 | ma3x | i keep getting this interface wmaster0. what is it for? and how do i remove it? |
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| 23:23.42 | themill | !turk |
| 23:23.42 | dpkg | i guess turk is #debian.tr |
| 23:23.54 | RuyalarPrensi | thanks ;) |
| 23:24.03 | themill | ma3x: ignore it. It's a control interface for your wireless card. |
| 23:24.15 | ma3x | themill: can i somehow remove it? |
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| 23:24.25 | themill | no |
| 23:24.46 | JatHr0 | what tools sysadmins using for logs users activity, conections, archiwizing it etc...? could somebody point me key words for searching in ggle |
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| 23:25.10 | streuner | nagios? |
| 23:25.52 | JatHr0 | afaik nagios is for monitoring system |
| 23:25.53 | streuner | !nagios |
| 23:25.53 | dpkg | Nagios is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring application software. It watches hosts and services that you specify, alerting you when things go bad and again when they get better. |
| 23:26.35 | yigal | my apt-cache policy for vim is shown http://rafb.net/p/FTVB4b33.html why isn't apt-pinning working and installing locally? |
| 23:27.41 | JatHr0 | streuner: i mean tools for logs what users do and where they connect... |
| 23:27.48 | JatHr0 | and archiwization it |
| 23:28.08 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to optimize the Flash player a bit? It's lacking a lot when playing videos on YouTube. My CPU: VIA C3 800 Mhz |
| 23:28.10 | Jemt | I |
| 23:28.25 | Jemt | I'm probably lacking important multimedia instruction sets in the CPU |
| 23:28.26 | streuner | no |
| 23:28.28 | yigal | my apt-cache policy for vim is shown http://rafb.net/p/FTVB4b33.html why isn't apt-pinning working and installing locally? please ? |
| 23:28.46 | streuner | Jemt: propitary tools just sucks |
| 23:28.55 | Jemt | Dammit :-/ |
| 23:28.57 | Jemt | Ok, thanks |
| 23:28.57 | themill | !tell yigal about multiple ask |
| 23:29.06 | yigal | themill: thanks |
| 23:29.15 | yigal | :p |
| 23:30.43 | streuner | Jemt: its a pita, i have the same issue with 1.4Ghz |
| 23:31.04 | Jemt | streuner: VIA CPU too ? |
| 23:31.14 | streuner | Jemt: AMD |
| 23:31.33 | ma3x | how can i install bitstream vera sans? what package does this font belong to? |
| 23:31.35 | Nyle | pita |
| 23:31.40 | enouf | you mean my p2 350 won't cut it? :-p |
| 23:31.41 | Jemt | Okay. My Pentium Mobile (Centrino) 1.6 Ghz runs it smoothly - but it's taking up a LOT of resources |
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| 23:32.18 | enouf | i can play dvds with this thing :-) |
| 23:32.36 | yigal | enouf: now that's impressive |
| 23:33.17 | enouf | ma3x: ttf-bitstream-vera ? |
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| 23:34.11 | themill | !tell ma3x about search |
| 23:34.49 | ma3x | i searched apt-get bitstrea vera sans but nothing |
| 23:35.23 | themill | ma3x: "apt-cache search bitstream" finds it quite easily. |
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| 23:37.46 | Soleone | hi |
| 23:38.01 | Soleone | how can i print the version number of debian to the command line? |
| 23:38.43 | engla | Soleone: I really thought 'lsb_release -a' should do it but for me it doesn't |
| 23:38.53 | Soleone | hm |
| 23:39.23 | engla | perhaps it will for release versions of debian |
| 23:39.49 | Soleone | i can install it with apt-get |
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| 23:39.59 | Soleone | but it's too big, because it also install some python libs |
| 23:40.07 | lastnode | im running madiwfi on this kernel. if i install a new one, will the modules for it be automatically installed? |
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| 23:40.12 | Soleone | version number must be saved somewhere in a text file |
| 23:40.15 | Soskel | hi |
| 23:40.16 | Soskel | how can I uninstall apf and bfd? |
| 23:40.25 | themill | Soleone: other than "cat /etc/debian_version"? |
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| 23:40.51 | mikearthur | can anyone give me pointers on setting up my FDI for xorg? |
| 23:40.54 | Soleone | themill: now that was what i was looking for thanks |
| 23:41.03 | themill | :) |
| 23:41.10 | mikearthur | because my keyboard seems hard-coded at en-us :| |
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| 23:41.31 | Soskel | anyone? |
| 23:41.46 | enouf | cat /etc/issue.net ? |
| 23:41.50 | DirkGently | cat /proc/version |
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| 23:42.25 | azeem | Soskel: /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 23:42.46 | Soleone | enouf: thx |
| 23:42.51 | Soskel | I have azeem |
| 23:43.06 | azeem | Soskel: then read the apt-get manpage |
| 23:43.08 | Soleone | DirkGently: thx to you also |
| 23:43.24 | Soskel | azeem: I didn't use apt-get |
| 23:43.35 | Soskel | I used wget, extracted, and ./install.sh |
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| 23:43.48 | azeem | Soskel: then ask whoever you got the install.sh from |
| 23:43.56 | Soskel | erm |
| 23:43.56 | netdaemon | question...is openjdk currently being packaged for debian? |
| 23:44.11 | Soskel | azeem: what's the command to install it over cli? |
| 23:44.14 | Soskel | pver ssh |
| 23:44.23 | azeem | man apt-get |
| 23:44.24 | DirkGently | so I guess testing == 4.1 |
| 23:45.18 | Soskel | this is so anoying |
| 23:45.37 | azeem | DirkGently: you're wrong |
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| 23:46.02 | themill | !tell DirkGently about lenny |
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| 23:47.43 | DirkGently | themill: azeem: so what is 4.1? |
| 23:47.53 | themill | DirkGently: nothing. |
| 23:47.54 | azeem | DirkGently: a number |
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| 23:48.49 | DirkGently | so if 4.1 is released it will still be etch? |
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| 23:48.58 | themill | DirkGently: as ubuntu has shown to great effect, numbering is entirely arbitrary. |
| 23:49.06 | lastnode | DirkGently: yes, the x.1 <-- X is the release |
| 23:49.06 | themill | DirkGently: there will not be a 4.1 |
| 23:49.18 | themill | lastnode: no. |
| 23:49.18 | streuner | !lenny |
| 23:49.18 | dpkg | lenny is, like, the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
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| 23:49.49 | lastnode | my bad, listen to themill |
| 23:49.57 | themill | !win themill |
| 23:49.58 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 23:50.12 | themill | yippee! |
| 23:50.19 | lastnode | oh, i already have that prize |
| 23:50.32 | themill | mine! gimme! |
| 23:50.34 | dondelelcaro | if there is a 4.1, it'll be lenny. |
| 23:50.36 | streuner | themill: most of us get that for free anyways ;-) |
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| 23:50.47 | Soskel | how does telling me man apt-get help me? |
| 23:50.54 | Soskel | I didn't use apt-get to install it |
| 23:51.02 | streuner | why, isnt that clear, that lenny will get 5.0? |
| 23:51.02 | kevindrokovic | how can i learn how to set networks? i mean what i want to do is to use this debian machine as a internet bridge connection for a windows machine, can i do that? |
| 23:51.04 | DirkGently | cool... and I've just started using 4.0 |
| 23:51.12 | dondelelcaro | Soskel: please back up and ask your question again. |
| 23:51.39 | dondelelcaro | Soskel: without knowing what your original problem is, it's very difficult for us to tell you why reading the manpage will give you an answer. |
| 23:51.50 | DirkGently | dondelelcaro: you think they'll have a release between now and Sept??? |
| 23:51.53 | themill | dondelelcaro: there was a message on d-d-a that lenny would be 5.0 a while ago, and once the 3.1 number made it into documents for sarge, the response was "sorry can't change it".... |
| 23:51.56 | dondelelcaro | DirkGently: no, we won't. |
| 23:52.08 | DirkGently | <dondelelcaro> if there is a 4.1, it'll be lenny. |
| 23:52.12 | dondelelcaro | themill: could be, but my statement is still correct. |
| 23:52.18 | themill | dondelelcaro: true |
| 23:52.20 | streuner | next release is definatly lenny... |
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| 23:52.36 | dondelelcaro | honestly didn't bother to remember what the next version number will be |
| 23:52.46 | streuner | hm |
| 23:52.49 | themill | It is rather irrelevant. |
| 23:52.58 | enouf | DirkGently: 3.0 was woody, 3.1 was Sarge |
| 23:53.08 | lastnode | has a woody |
| 23:53.08 | streuner | well, most distros uses higher number to fool people |
| 23:53.09 | DirkGently | who cares... it was just a question out of curiosity |
| 23:53.17 | lastnode | by searching apt-cache |
| 23:53.18 | enouf | !be enouf barbie |
| 23:53.18 | dpkg | But enouf is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 23:53.23 | enouf | :-P |
| 23:53.32 | themill | :( |
| 23:53.33 | Soskel | azeem: ^^ |
| 23:53.37 | lastnode | DirkGently: you must forget that this is #debian, and issues like this are dissected very carefully |
| 23:53.39 | dondelelcaro | DirkGently: no worries; you're just getting the full answer |
| 23:53.41 | DirkGently | debian's numbering system is unpretentious |
| 23:53.51 | JatHr0 | too drunk to fuck |
| 23:54.00 | themill | JatHr0: tmi |
| 23:54.01 | dustybin | looks forward to Debian Shark |
| 23:54.06 | streuner | JatHr0: go to bed then |
| 23:54.06 | lastnode | has a hard time explaining how Ubuntu is Version 7 to people. |
| 23:54.22 | lastnode | JatHr0: but not too drunk to irc. my kind of guy. |
| 23:54.27 | Baloo | lastnode: ? |
| 23:54.38 | DirkGently | lastnode: and what will they do in 3008??? I ask you |
| 23:54.42 | lastnode | Baloo: ? |
| 23:54.52 | Baloo | ubuntu is v7? |
| 23:54.53 | DirkGently | or 3000 for that matter |
| 23:55.00 | DirkGently | version 0.04 |
| 23:55.04 | lastnode | Baloo: well Ubuntu 7.x |
| 23:55.06 | themill | Ubuntu is y2k all over again.... (just don't ask about 2038) |
| 23:55.14 | lastnode | i have a problem explaining how they got to 7 again |
| 23:55.16 | lastnode | *so fast |
| 23:55.33 | streuner | makes sense |
| 23:55.38 | lastnode | guys, Ubuntu wont be around in 3008. anything owned by coprporations will die. |
| 23:55.47 | lastnode | we, the people, will use deb. :/ |
| 23:55.51 | Baloo | With any luck that is. |
| 23:55.53 | themill | lastnode: there's also the 7.10 > 7.4 problem (7.10 != 7.1) |
| 23:56.04 | azeem | Soskel: you asked about "installing over cli" |
| 23:56.18 | azeem | "man apt-get" is a useful answer for that |
| 23:56.27 | dondelelcaro | or man aptitude |
| 23:56.30 | DirkGently | themill: 7.04 you mean? |
| 23:56.31 | lastnode | or man aptitude? |
| 23:56.32 | streuner | lastnode: isnt that easy? |
| 23:56.47 | lastnode | streuner: isnt what easy? |
| 23:56.51 | azeem | 01:41 < Soskel> azeem: I didn't use apt-get |
| 23:56.51 | azeem | 01:41 < Soskel> I used wget, extracted, and ./install.sh |
| 23:56.51 | streuner | ubuntu released in 2007 -> version 7 |
| 23:56.58 | azeem | from there, anything is useful |
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| 23:57.03 | streuner | ubuntu released in 2008 -> version 8 |
| 23:57.13 | azeem | what |
| 23:57.20 | azeem | streuner: ubuntu releases twice a year |
| 23:57.30 | lastnode | streuner: dude, read what themill said. ubuntu 7.10 == 7.1 > 7.4 |
| 23:57.31 | themill | streuner: and didn't start in 2001. |
| 23:57.33 | streuner | that's the concept, basically, AFAIK |
| 23:57.38 | zinx | eh, guys. ubuntu's off topic here :/ |
| 23:57.59 | GhostlyDeath_ | What's with the XP icons in WINE? |
| 23:58.01 | lastnode | how many of you here read ELER? |
| 23:58.08 | streuner | lastnode: well, somebody also said, why they have in that short time higher numbers... |
| 23:58.31 | lastnode | streuner: er? |
| 23:58.41 | enouf | heck redmond releases NT 3.1 as first version O_o |
| 23:58.43 | DirkGently | zinx: if we did this in #Ubuntu, we'd be trolling |
| 23:58.47 | lastnode | streuner: the release cycle is fine, the versioning is confusing. |
| 23:59.00 | lastnode | course |
| 23:59.08 | enouf | but this is getting drawn out OT too much, imho |
| 23:59.09 | lastnode | has been kickbanned from #ubuntu-offtopic for saying shit |
| 23:59.23 | streuner | unterstand them :-/ |
| 23:59.24 | lastnode | ok, let's go to -offtopic then |
| 23:59.31 | themill | GhostlyDeath_: what about them? they've been drawn by the wine people and are free |
| 23:59.48 | kevindrokovic | how can i learn how to set networks? i mean what i want to do is to use this debian machine as a internet bridge connection for a windows machine, can i do that? |
| 23:59.48 | lastnode | streuner: you're a smart one then. try explaining it to a windows noob you're trying to convert |
