| 00:00.17 | dondelelcaro | lastnode: why does it matter? It's just a number. |
| 00:00.51 | lastnode | dondelelcaro: try explaining which version is newer, and how such a new distro is already at version 7? |
| 00:00.56 | themill | dondelelcaro: but many people learnt to count from M$. You know... 1 2 3 3.1 3.11 95 98 Me XP... |
| 00:01.34 | dondelelcaro | lastnode: why would they care which is newer? |
| 00:01.40 | lastnode | kevindrokovic: as a router of sorts? sure. |
| 00:01.41 | DirkGently | kevindrokovic: yes, you can do that... there are plenty of howtos on the Internet... maybe someone here knows of specific ones |
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| 00:01.51 | lastnode | dondelelcaro: because users care about the software im trying to push on them? |
| 00:02.10 | dondelelcaro | lastnode: they care about the software but they shouldn't concern themselves with the version number |
| 00:02.10 | streuner | people thinking if some distro have higher version number, its newer |
| 00:02.13 | akio | hey im setting up an install and i want to use lvm |
| 00:02.16 | enouf | kevindrokovic: /msg dpkg ipmasq |
| 00:02.24 | kevindrokovic | lastnode, DirkGently ok |
| 00:02.29 | kevindrokovic | enouf, ok :) |
| 00:02.38 | lastnode | dondelelcaro: well, they do. at least most people ive met. |
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| 00:02.43 | lastnode | what streuner said |
| 00:02.44 | themill | dondelelcaro: I see this often "they have v7 they must be better than debian if it's only v4". Marketing bullshit it is, but somehow it seems to count ;( |
| 00:02.52 | streuner | lastnode: newbies do |
| 00:03.01 | lastnode | yes, nubs do. |
| 00:03.12 | kevindrokovic | enouf, and for what is iptables and routed? |
| 00:03.26 | DirkGently | themill: but we can be smug knowing we really are better |
| 00:03.27 | enouf | kevindrokovic: "/msg dpkg interfaces" for general debian info about setting up ifaces |
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| 00:03.37 | mikearthur | has anyone else got the HAL FDI working for the latest Xorg? |
| 00:03.52 | enouf | kevindrokovic: oh well, theres iptables docs out the wazoo ;-) |
| 00:03.53 | azeem | mikearthur: you got it working? |
| 00:03.58 | themill | DirkGently: heh. One could argue that we keep the idiots out of #d and in #u by doing so ;) |
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| 00:04.03 | mikearthur | no, I didn't |
| 00:04.09 | azeem | so who does? |
| 00:04.16 | mikearthur | sorry, phrased badly |
| 00:04.20 | enouf | kevindrokovic: here's a start http://www.debian-administration.org/tag/iptables |
| 00:04.24 | mikearthur | I did have it working on gentoo |
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| 00:04.39 | streuner | searching for a gentoosmite... |
| 00:04.43 | azeem | maybe start with explaining what "FDI working for Xorg" means |
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| 00:05.04 | DirkGently | themill: you must admit that Ubuntu have done a lot to bring Linux to the general public |
| 00:05.08 | mikearthur | if you don't know what it means you probably don't have the answer :) |
| 00:05.09 | azeem | and/or what "not working" implies |
| 00:05.20 | themill | DirkGently: grudgingly, yes ;) |
| 00:05.25 | azeem | DirkGently: please keep it ontopic |
| 00:05.27 | dondelelcaro | in any event, what ubuntu is and isn't doing isn't really on topic here. |
| 00:05.37 | mikearthur | with the latest version of xorg it uses HAL for autoconfiguration of input devices |
| 00:05.45 | DirkGently | and at least it's debian based |
| 00:05.47 | enouf | kevindrokovic: and finally, /msg dpkg iptables ;-) |
| 00:05.52 | azeem | DirkGently: 02:03 < azeem> DirkGently: please keep it ontopic |
| 00:06.03 | streuner | (last warning) |
| 00:06.11 | kevindrokovic | enouf, hehe thanks |
| 00:06.17 | enouf | ;-) |
| 00:06.23 | mikearthur | and to change this autoconfiguration on e.g. the keymap |
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| 00:06.35 | mikearthur | you need to edit HAL FDI policy files |
| 00:06.42 | mikearthur | I was wondering if anyone has got this working |
| 00:06.46 | azeem | mikearthur: that sounds stupid |
| 00:07.02 | mikearthur | why? |
| 00:07.03 | azeem | mikearthur: I guess you can still override it in xorg.conf, no? |
| 00:07.10 | mikearthur | perhaps |
| 00:07.26 | mikearthur | everything will be going that way eventually though |
| 00:07.27 | azeem | FDI files are informational, not configurational |
| 00:07.28 | mikearthur | makes a lot more sense |
| 00:07.38 | mikearthur | that isn't true |
| 00:07.48 | mikearthur | they are used to set the e.g. keymap/driver |
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| 00:07.51 | azeem | so next time you'll edit ipod.fdi saying that you really got an iaudio? |
| 00:08.14 | GhostlyDeath_ | <themill> GhostlyDeath_: what about them? they've been drawn by the wine people and are free <-- They look alot like the XP icons |
| 00:08.17 | mikearthur | I think if you go and have a look you'll see there are more than one use of fdi files |
| 00:08.43 | azeem | editing them for local configuration changes certainly isn't one of them |
| 00:08.45 | themill | GhostlyDeath_: yeah well.... you can't account for taste. But wine stuff is, I believe, quite themable these days. |
| 00:08.48 | azeem | unless they have a bug |
| 00:08.56 | mikearthur | I'm afraid you are wrong |
| 00:09.02 | azeem | mikearthur: *shrug* |
| 00:09.06 | mikearthur | go and read the latest xorg sources |
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| 00:09.12 | themill | mikearthur: feel free to use reportbug |
| 00:09.26 | akio | what about swap and boot sectors? do they have lvm issues? |
| 00:09.31 | mikearthur | themill: aye, cheers, I was just seeing if anyone had it sorted |
| 00:09.40 | GhostlyDeath_ | themill: WINE supports themes now? So if I enabled GTK's theme it would use them/ |
| 00:09.58 | themill | GhostlyDeath_: no, windows themes, aiui |
| 00:11.09 | Baloo | What's a good live CD distro that I can set up an LVM on? Needs to support firewire. |
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| 00:12.45 | streuner | !grml |
| 00:12.45 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally <based on> Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ |
| 00:13.22 | DirkGently | and http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ ? |
| 00:13.29 | mikearthur | does anyone have the file: /etc/dbus-1/system.d/xorg-server.conf on their system? |
| 00:13.40 | streuner | DirkGently: i only know grml |
| 00:14.00 | streuner | and grml is well supported |
| 00:14.56 | DirkGently | streuner: might be the better option then |
| 00:15.17 | streuner | dunno if its the better option, but is a very good option |
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| 00:15.27 | streuner | s/is/its/ |
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| 00:19.10 | enouf | ls /etc/dbus-1/system.d/ shows avahi-dbus.conf hal.conf |
| 00:19.34 | enouf | but i'm using like xorg 7.1 or something |
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| 00:22.26 | streuner | heh, themill cuts the away message :-) |
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| 00:25.20 | streuner | hm, where is abrotman, usually he should be here |
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| 00:28.25 | Nat_Debian_ | fisl alguem vai? |
| 00:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do I need to use apache/php/sqlite? I got apache 1.3 and... hm, all kind of php3 and php4 packages and among them php4-sqite and php4-sqlite3 ... and perhaps it's already functional and I just don't know how to use it properly (does it need an include?) :( |
| 00:29.19 | streuner | !br |
| 00:29.20 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 00:29.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, not true with php4-sqlite - that only turned up with tab-completion, but is not installed |
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| 00:31.19 | garotosopa | I'm about to compile and install a package with make install. What's that thing that creates a debian package out of it instead of installing it directly? |
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| 00:31.51 | streuner | make? |
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| 00:32.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | "checkinstall"? |
| 00:32.34 | bolt | Is there a program that can help me remember to water plants, buy new lightbulbs and all other crap i always forget? Like, I need some sort of a scheduler that can constantly run on some machine and show today's todo list, giving me the options to add things to do tomorrow and such... |
| 00:32.43 | streuner | garotosopa: why arent you using <simple sid backport>? |
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| 00:32.51 | nvz | I bought a little usb 802.11g dish adapter.. I'm about to try make it work on debian.. heh |
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| 00:33.14 | nvz | I think I found a driver that will work.. its atheros so I think I have a chanc |
| 00:33.23 | streuner | never |
| 00:33.42 | garotosopa | streuner, I'll be able to answer you in a few minutes... |
| 00:33.56 | streuner | nvz: there are newer versions (chipsets) which arent in kernel actually |
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| 00:34.23 | streuner | nvz: madwifi is the way or ndiswrapper |
| 00:34.31 | nvz | well its an atheros 5007 chipset and its usb so its not supported by madwifi, but I think I found a driver |
| 00:34.35 | nvz | !zd1211rw |
| 00:34.35 | dpkg | zd1211rw is probably the recommended driver for USB devices containing ZyDAS zd1211/zd1211b chipsets (http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/zd1211rw). Added to mainline kernel in 2.6.18-rc1, "modprobe zd1211rw" in Etch. Non-EULA firmware is required ('zd1211-firmware' package). For Atheros AR5007UG devices based on UW2453 radio, a 2.6.23 or later kernel is required. |
| 00:35.04 | streuner | nvz: ask #madwifi, there are hanging a few devel out there too |
| 00:35.21 | nvz | I have it hooked up to the vista box right now and the supplied drivers didn't even work on there I had to d/l one |
| 00:35.47 | streuner | some needs a patch |
| 00:35.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | bolt, yank, qtodo |
| 00:35.56 | enouf | usb needs to die :-p |
| 00:35.59 | nvz | if I can't get it to work on debian I am taking it back to the store.. heh |
| 00:36.06 | enouf | \o/ |
| 00:36.08 | streuner | good idea |
| 00:36.27 | nvz | it works good though its at least 3x the power of most wifi cards |
| 00:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !checkinstall |
| 00:36.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, checkinstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) Package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ | Not in etch because http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=57724#57724 |
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| 00:36.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | "long version" of my answer :) |
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| 00:37.27 | nvz | that factoid says the driver is in etch |
| 00:37.31 | nvz | O |
| 00:37.38 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 00:37.49 | streuner | but there are plenty of chipsets... |
| 00:37.52 | nvz | I'm not sure yet of the exact 5007 chipset it is yet though cause windows wont tell m |
| 00:38.05 | streuner | it won't? BS |
| 00:38.26 | streuner | you know only Linux then :-) |
| 00:39.41 | streuner | so just use a LIVE-CD and find out then |
| 00:40.08 | enouf | smash it with a hammer and look inside? O_o |
| 00:40.21 | streuner | enouf: exactly :-) |
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| 00:40.51 | enouf | streuner: secret hardware needs to be whacked more often ;-) |
| 00:40.57 | streuner | using lspci is usually enough, after update the pci-db, but i forgot, he's using USB |
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| 00:41.47 | streuner | but there should be some papers, manual or whatever |
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| 00:42.18 | nvz_ | dph |
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| 00:42.32 | nvz_ | went to move the dish up herer and forgot I dont even have lsusb or nothing on here |
| 00:42.46 | streuner | nvz_: no bill, no manual or such? |
| 00:42.48 | nvz_ | gotta update my kernel and install lsusb first |
| 00:42.56 | streuner | hm |
| 00:43.10 | nvz_ | pfft manual says its a hawking hi-gain usb dish adapter |
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| 00:44.07 | nvz_ | !find lsusb |
| 00:44.14 | streuner | thats you own fault |
| 00:44.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lsusb' (3): (/usr/bin/lsusb, /usr/sbin/lsusb) in utils/usbutils ;; (/usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Linux/_lsusb) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/Linux/_lsusb) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 00:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | can nobody tell me what packages I need to run php/sqlite with apache 1.3? |
| 00:44.33 | streuner | if you buy hardware and dunno its supported or not... |
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| 00:45.23 | nvz_ | store has a return policy |
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| 00:47.40 | streuner | nvz_: ndiswrapper will work (bad), but it will work |
| 00:48.21 | zinx | streuner: that isn't always the case.. |
| 00:48.34 | streuner | hm |
| 00:48.41 | zinx | streuner: due to both bugs in ndiswrapper, and the size of the linux kernel's default stack |
| 00:48.56 | akio | i just installed lvm1 using debian lenny net-inst |
| 00:48.58 | streuner | yeah, ndiswrapper sucks |
| 00:48.59 | zinx | (many windows drivers eat stack space like popcorn) |
| 00:49.00 | streuner | no doubt |
| 00:49.09 | akio | like im set up on lvm1 |
| 00:49.18 | akio | and now i just updated |
| 00:49.26 | nvz_ | streuner: screw that |
| 00:49.28 | akio | and lvm2 is available |
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| 00:49.43 | akio | is there a way i can switch over to lvm2? |
| 00:49.46 | streuner | nvz_: ok, you know what the next step is then... |
| 00:49.52 | nvz_ | streuner: if the mainline driver doesnt work I'm getting my money back and ordering a cantenna and a wifi pci card that is supporter |
| 00:49.55 | akio | and lilo isn't seeing my dual boot |
| 00:50.09 | nvz_ | streuner: a reboot cause i just installed usbutils and the latest etch kernel |
| 00:50.19 | streuner | well, you arent able to configure lilo then |
| 00:50.19 | enouf | streuner: whenever i tell someone to runupdate-pciids, i also mention update-usbids ;-) |
| 00:50.34 | streuner | enouf: oh, didnt know that |
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| 00:51.01 | ma3x | if ive mounted ntfs on /media/ntfs how do i give normal user permissions to browse through those files? |
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| 00:51.55 | enouf | do /msg dpkg ntfsrw (and ntfsro <-- read only == browse?) |
| 00:51.55 | nvz_ | if this works this is a decent retail adapter for stealing internet :-P |
| 00:52.15 | nvz_ | be back later :-P |
| 00:52.19 | streuner | akio: man lilo.conf |
| 00:52.41 | streuner | akio: or/and just google for examples (dual-boot) |
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| 00:53.02 | enouf | akio: lenny has lvm1 ? |
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| 00:54.56 | streuner | enouf: are you sure, if you see the chipset via lsusb? |
| 00:55.26 | streuner | thats what nvz bascially need (chipset) |
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| 00:56.20 | ma3x | thanks enouf ! |
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| 00:56.57 | Hyphenex | How do I adjust the scree resolution (without X installed) to fit more characters onto the screen? |
| 00:57.11 | streuner | !keymap |
| 00:57.11 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment). |
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| 00:57.28 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/p/partman-auto-lvm/current/changelog read that akio - (search for lvm2) .. ahh, it seems the -auto- version has older lvm maybe? Notice how lvm2 is mentioned in the non-auto partman version http://packages.debian.org/lenny/partman-lvm |
| 00:57.30 | Frosty- | is it possible to monitor read/writes like top/iftop/ntop/htop etc.. Basically at regular intervals I get a lot of disk activity but with neglible cpu usage and am trying to determine which process is using the disk |
| 00:57.53 | enouf | streuner: not sure what you |
| 00:57.54 | Hyphenex | streuner: Was that keymap for me? |
| 00:57.59 | enouf | streuner: not sure what you're asking me ;-) |
| 00:58.14 | streuner | Hyphenex: just a wild guess ;-) |
| 00:58.39 | streuner | Hyphenex: in screen? |
| 00:58.39 | foobar8` | is there something like iotop? |
| 00:58.49 | streuner | or just in a shell? |
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| 00:58.54 | enouf | Hyphenex: vga= option to your kernel line in grub menu.lst |
| 00:59.02 | amphi | Hyphenex: use fbconsole at some higher res |
| 00:59.05 | chickamade | Frosty, check out 'peekfd' |
| 00:59.08 | Riotblade | Hey, anyone know which option it is for maximum file descriptors in /etc/security/limit.conf? |
| 00:59.16 | Hyphenex | enouf: Ahhhk so without restarting, I can run fbconsole? |
| 00:59.32 | streuner | is searching for a special smite for enouf |
| 00:59.33 | enouf | without restarting? not sure |
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| 00:59.51 | enouf | i think there;s an installable tool that allows adjustment |
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| 01:00.18 | Hyphenex | enouf: Any idea on the name of it? |
| 01:00.22 | enouf | Hyphenex: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-16.html |
| 01:00.23 | akio | Wyzard: you there? |
| 01:00.24 | foobar8` | (pidstat -d) |
| 01:00.29 | enouf | Hyphenex: but also see chapter 5 |
| 01:00.32 | amphi | Hyphenex: some fb console drivers let you change resolution on the fly, with fbset; vesafb is not one of them, or wasn't last time I used it |
| 01:00.40 | bolt | CutMeOwnThroat: yay. thanks :D |
| 01:01.31 | Hyphenex | hmm, I think I'll just live with it for now then, sounds complicated :P |
| 01:01.57 | streuner | !be man page barbie |
| 01:01.57 | dpkg | But man page is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 01:01.58 | enouf | Hyphenex: ahh, debian has it; http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=fbset&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 01:02.18 | Frosty- | aha, sysstat packe, iotop and pidstat, looks interesting, I'll take a look. thankyou |
| 01:02.28 | Hyphenex | enouf: I can't click on web links, no web browser installed :'( |
| 01:02.34 | enouf | Hyphenex: you don't want the -udeb, and you want to just apt-get install fbset |
| 01:02.49 | Hyphenex | enouf: Thanks :) |
| 01:02.56 | Hyphenex | and if it comes with man pages, I'll be sweet |
| 01:02.58 | enouf | Hyphenex: install and use lynx, w3m, links2 (my fav) |
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| 01:03.37 | Hyphenex | enouf: how do I copy and paste between that big long link, and say links2? |
| 01:04.00 | enouf | Hyphenex: links2 -g runs as GUI in Console using svgalib and directfb \o/ |
| 01:04.14 | Wyzard | akio: I'm here |
| 01:04.38 | amphi | Hyphenex: gpm lets you copy & paste in a text VY |
| 01:04.42 | amphi | *VT |
| 01:04.42 | enouf | Hyphenex: so your mouse and keys work as usual - erm, .. maybe need some X underlying stuff? wait .. |
| 01:05.45 | enouf | "apt-cache depends links2" |
| 01:05.45 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/981791 |
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| 01:05.50 | enouf | Hyphenex: ^ |
| 01:05.53 | Hyphenex | enouf: I have tried links2 -g and it runs lovely (but can't move the mouse) but when I quit, I could no longer see my terminal, it seems it can't change back the dislpay buffer when it's finished |
| 01:06.04 | enouf | Hyphenex: you didn't read ;-) |
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| 01:06.22 | enouf | Hyphenex: /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian see that - it'll all work ;-) |
| 01:06.35 | Hyphenex | Thanks, I'll give that a little look |
| 01:07.08 | enouf | Hyphenex: test 1st running as root, if you like - should all work |
| 01:07.23 | enouf | Hyphenex: mine works fine though now as user ;-) |
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| 01:09.51 | enouf | ampex2: now in .24 there;s some new "uvesafb" thingamajig ;-) not sure exactly what it can do/overcome though |
| 01:10.01 | nvz | well it appears as though the hawking hi-gain 802.11g usb dish adapter is in fact supported in debian etch with the 2.6.18 kernel and the zd1211-firmware packages |
| 01:10.07 | enouf | ampex2: not you sorry |
| 01:10.13 | enouf | amphi: now in .24 there;s some new "uvesafb" thingamajig ;-) not sure exactly what it can do/overcome though |
| 01:10.24 | nvz | though I apparently need to install additional software to list and connect to available access points |
| 01:10.34 | ma3x | why when i plug in my headphones i can still hear sound on the laptop speakers? |
| 01:10.39 | nvz | I've never done wifi in debian |
| 01:10.54 | amphi | enouf: interesting, thanks - perhaps it supports more funky shortscreen resolutions |
| 01:11.10 | enouf | nvz: 'hawking hi-gain ...' sounds too cool not to use ;-) |
| 01:11.19 | amphi | nvz: wireless-tools ? |
| 01:11.36 | enouf | amphi: sure - and yep, i bet you're right |
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| 01:12.02 | nvz | well I'm probably two blocks from where I'm getting online from right now// the antenna is easily 3x more powerful than most any laptop or desktop card |
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| 01:12.26 | nvz | ran me like $70 at best buy though but easy to setup on any computer |
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| 01:13.22 | nvz | is there some kind of graphical network selector thing for wifi? |
| 01:13.32 | nvz | I don't really need one |
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| 01:13.49 | nvz | maybe network manager will do it |
| 01:13.57 | nvz | I guess thats what it was made for |
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| 01:14.25 | jsubl2 | nvz http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=17199 |
| 01:14.49 | amphi | nvz: wifi-radar perhaps; I just use iw* |
| 01:15.16 | jsubl2 | i use wpa_supplicant |
| 01:15.40 | Wyzard | nvz: Use NetworkManager |
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| 01:15.57 | TCossuto | !sun-java |
| 01:16.05 | nvz | I'm just gonna tri use iwconfig right now to see if this actually works.. I got the kernel to recognise it but right now I still got it on the vista box so I can get online and install any tools I need |
| 01:16.06 | TCossuto | !java |
| 01:16.06 | dpkg | hmm... java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 01:16.17 | nvz | I installed wireless-tools so I should be good to go |
| 01:16.44 | TCossuto | dude, wtf? I thought java was all platform based |
| 01:17.33 | Wyzard | nvz: wireless-tools is low-level command-line stuff like iwconfig |
| 01:18.04 | Wyzard | TCossuto: No, Java uses a virtual machine so programs are basically platform-independent |
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| 01:19.45 | akio | Wyzard: is there a way to change lvm1 to lvm2? |
| 01:20.15 | hikenboot | anybody know what would fix this error configure error we need at least GNU find 4.x ---which package |
| 01:21.06 | Wyzard | akio: I don't think so, other than deleting the LVM1 volume group and creating LVM2 volumes instead, but I could be wrong |
| 01:21.17 | Wyzard | akio: but you can use LVM1 volumes with the LVM2 driver |
| 01:21.36 | akio | can grub handle lvm1 setup with /boot on it? |
| 01:21.50 | Wyzard | akio: No, /boot has to be on a plain partition |
| 01:21.58 | akio | lilo isn't getting my dual boot setup |
| 01:22.10 | Wyzard | akio: with GRUB 1.x at least; GRUB 2 supports LVM and Linux software RAID, but that's not in etch and still in beta anyway |
| 01:22.14 | akio | i think lilo is booting from lvm |
| 01:22.28 | akio | i have grub 2 |
| 01:22.38 | akio | i reinstalled lenny |
| 01:22.53 | Wyzard | Which are you using, lilo or grub? |
| 01:23.02 | akio | im booting from lilo right now |
| 01:23.15 | akio | but it doesn't show windows |
| 01:23.25 | Wyzard | "show windows"? |
| 01:23.26 | akio | i know there is a way to dual boot on lilo |
| 01:23.43 | akio | it didn't put it in lilo.list |
| 01:23.52 | Wyzard | oh, I see what you mean |
| 01:24.02 | Wyzard | yeah, you'd have to add an entry in lilo.conf manually |
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| 01:24.07 | Wyzard | but GRUB is preferable |
| 01:24.34 | akio | yep |
| 01:24.39 | akio | lilo is damn ugly |
| 01:24.45 | akio | and i have never used it |
| 01:24.54 | akio | so i would e grub |
| 01:25.07 | akio | but grub-install is complaining |
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| 01:26.28 | Wyzard | about what? |
| 01:26.36 | akio | the lvm |
| 01:26.57 | akio | says it has no corresponding BIOS drive |
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| 01:27.25 | akio | are there people who use ssh to help people? |
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| 01:28.16 | foobar8` | on a smp system looking at output of mpstat -P 0 -P 1 2 i see all interrupts are delivered to cpu0 - i thought newer kernels (using 2.6.24) do irq balancing? ah CONFIG_IRQBALANCE is not set? is there a reason debian kernels have it disabled? |
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| 01:29.49 | enouf | foobar8`: iinm, apic handles all that |
| 01:29.51 | evilgeek | why is openat() nowhere in etch's libc6-dev? |
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| 01:30.14 | evilgeek | er, linux-libc-dev. |
| 01:30.17 | enouf | Wyzard: <Wyzard> akio: No, /boot has to be on a plain partition <-- i'm pretty sure Fedora does it |
| 01:30.26 | akio | yeah i just saw that |
| 01:30.33 | enouf | Wyzard: without a plain /boot partition |
| 01:30.39 | akio | i looking at my tables |
| 01:30.43 | evilgeek | no, i did mean libc6-dev. |
| 01:30.53 | Wyzard | enouf: don't think so... I installed Fedora 8 recently and I'm pretty sure it made a separate /boot |
| 01:31.00 | Wyzard | enouf: but it may use GRUB 2 |
| 01:31.20 | akio | did someone mail me? |
| 01:31.25 | akio | hmm |
| 01:31.34 | enouf | Wyzard: i see the grub root=/dev/VG-00-/LV-00 lines |
| 01:31.49 | enouf | Wyzard: no, i mean earlier 6 and 7 |
| 01:31.53 | Wyzard | enouf: In menu.lst? |
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| 01:31.57 | enouf | Wyzard: yes |
| 01:32.05 | Wyzard | enouf: That's just GRUB telling the kernel where the root filesystem is |
| 01:32.05 | enouf | Wyzard: let me see, one moment |
| 01:32.18 | Wyzard | enouf: has nothing to do with where vmlinuz and grub's own files are |
| 01:33.02 | akio | i can't see a /boot outside of my group |
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| 01:33.12 | enouf | Wyzard: yeah, i know - but i'm brainfarting, and i forget what the initrd lines say ;-) |
| 01:33.15 | akio | i think lilo is booting from lvm |
| 01:33.28 | akio | i can check my lilo.conf |
| 01:33.39 | foobar8` | yes - lilo boots from lvm |
| 01:34.07 | foobar8` | (lilo also boots from lvm on top of md raid1) |
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| 01:35.04 | bwlang | argh... the etch installer does not support my qlogic 4060 iscsi card... what should i do? |
| 01:35.16 | dondelelcaro | !kmuto |
| 01:35.16 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 01:35.22 | foobar8` | (but getting lilo to boot xen requires a hack) |
| 01:35.30 | akio | will grub2 boot from lvm? |
| 01:35.56 | foobar8` | akio: i think it is planed (AFAIR) |
| 01:36.02 | Miesco | WHen I run vive it wont let me put any input to the dropdowns |
| 01:36.16 | Miesco | Blank |
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| 01:37.30 | akio | looking at GNU Grub page |
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| 01:38.34 | akio | lmao |
| 01:38.41 | akio | grub docs are under development |
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| 01:39.41 | foobar8` | akio: grub2 seems to have lvm2 support already: http://www.sannes.org/?p=4 |
| 01:40.40 | akio | yep, im looking at a .conf with it in it |
| 01:41.04 | akio | the only question is how to run grub-install pointing to it |
| 01:41.35 | akio | thanks for the link |
| 01:41.39 | akio | it has it on the page |
| 01:41.44 | akio | near the bottom |
| 01:41.51 | foobar8` | maybe i finally can get rid of lilo |
| 01:42.04 | foobar8` | thanks, too :-) |
| 01:42.15 | Tekerson | I'm trying to install couchdb with `aptitude -t unstable install couchdb` but aptitude can't find the package. http://packages.debian.org/couchdb says it exists in unstable/sid, what am I missing? |
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| 01:43.39 | TCossuto | !vmware |
| 01:43.39 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
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| 01:46.23 | akio | foobar8`: it looks like that the switches on that page aren't available |
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| 01:48.02 | dustybin | Tonight folks while most normal people are down the pub, im going to compile my first ever debian kernel :D |
| 01:48.13 | foobar8` | akio: the entry is quite old |
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| 01:48.47 | akio | i don't see "-modules" in help or man |
| 01:49.21 | enouf | Wyzard: i am mistaken, thanks for the pointers - and akio might help to review this thread (read the followups too) http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2008-02/msg01428.html |
| 01:49.42 | akio | im using the old grub-install |
| 01:51.11 | enouf | akio: i compiled grub2 myself a while back - and #grub is active only concerning grub2 now, so ;-) |
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| 01:53.12 | enouf | i have a floppy of it, the INSTALL and README are very helpful - i used ./configure --help options to have it install on a separate HDD's local dir (away from my running system, using --prefix= and --eprefix= options IIRC), then made a grub2 floppy from that |
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| 01:53.56 | akio | check out Grub invaders!! |
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| 01:54.31 | enouf | i know it even has emulation capability - so you don't ever really need to reboot , but i haven't used any of grub2 yet, the floppy just sits here ;-) |
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| 01:55.24 | foobar8` | akio: i use lenny: aptitude install grub-pc; update-grub - and the config file does a "insmod lvm" maybe this works out of the box? |
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| 01:56.41 | andrboot | Hi all.. i am curious to wonder why i am getting these errors http://pb.udderweb.com/252 .. any ideas? |
| 01:56.52 | andrboot | when i run make menuconfig |
| 01:58.00 | dustybin | i need to re-compile my kernel to turn of USB AUTOSUSPEND |
| 01:58.08 | foobar8` | akio: http://grub.enbug.org/LVMandRAID |
| 01:58.12 | enouf | andrboot: i think you need a libcurses pkg |
| 01:58.16 | akio | gratzi |
| 01:58.23 | dustybin | do i need to install linux-source or linux-patch ? |
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| 01:59.04 | andrboot | @ enouf which package? |
| 01:59.12 | enouf | andrboot: libncurses5-dev - Developer's libraries and docs for ncurses |
| 01:59.16 | andrboot | okas |
| 01:59.20 | enouf | that one, i meant ncurses |
| 01:59.31 | andrboot | i thought it loked a little odd :p lol |
| 01:59.32 | dustybin | what does this mean: |
| 01:59.35 | dustybin | "In order to get the Debian kernel source at the patchlevel different from the one provided by the current linux-source-version package, one should first install and unpack it, then roll back the unneeded patch sets using a script from the linux-patch-debian-version package." |
| 01:59.53 | metaperl | I'm looking for an alarm clock for Debian |
| 02:00.01 | metaperl | something that sounds an alarm after 2 hours |
| 02:00.09 | enouf | andrboot: and you are planning on using make-kpkg after that, yes? |
| 02:00.28 | andrboot | umm enouf no.. not really i want v4l to compile |
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| 02:00.49 | enouf | andrboot: ok, whatever .. |
| 02:01.07 | andrboot | :) |
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| 02:01.10 | andrboot | *video 4 linux |
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| 02:01.53 | dustybin | im using Kernel 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 02:02.00 | dustybin | does this mean its patch level 3 ? |
| 02:02.03 | enouf | fwiw, i never build in /usr/src/ ... .. i do all my builds on another HDD, but whatever |
| 02:02.26 | enouf | dustybin: something like that |
| 02:02.41 | andrboot | enouf: just a habit i picked up from gentoo :p |
| 02:02.47 | enouf | dustybin: see the changelog |
| 02:03.21 | tinin | Hi, how could I know wich sound card has my notebook? |
| 02:03.35 | enouf | tinin: lspci |
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| 02:03.56 | enouf | !laptop | tinin |
| 02:04.04 | tinin | I've done so, but I still don't know which one is the sound card, as seen here |
| 02:04.05 | tinin | 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) |
| 02:04.10 | tinin | http://rafb.net/p/7VhPbb52.html |
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| 02:04.32 | enouf | hrm .. tinin do "/msg dpkg laptop" .. oh .. hrm, well, grep Audio ;-) |
| 02:04.47 | enouf | or Multimedia |
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| 02:05.22 | enouf | tinin do "/msg dpkg which driver" |
| 02:05.29 | enouf | mine says; 00:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 06) |
| 02:05.35 | enouf | using that chipset |
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| 02:05.58 | foobar8` | hmm with 'grub-install --modules="ext2 pc gpt biosdisk lvm raid" /dev/sda' i get "grub-setup: error: Can't embed the core image, but this is required when the root device is on a RAID array or LVM volume." |
| 02:06.05 | tinin | enouf trying, its an old notebook, so please patience lol |
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| 02:06.33 | enouf | tinin: i see, lmao |
| 02:06.50 | enouf | tinin: erm, which release of debian did you install? |
| 02:06.56 | tinin | stable |
| 02:06.59 | dustybin | when one downloads the debian kernel source code, would that be the very latest version of the kernel? |
| 02:07.10 | dustybin | ie linux-image-2.6.22-4 ? |
| 02:07.19 | enouf | tinin: hrm, you're missing somethings in your lspci, and noagp is not good ether |
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| 02:07.47 | enouf | tinin: run update-pciids and update-usbids |
| 02:07.55 | enouf | tinin: though, i think you have other issues |
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| 02:08.03 | foobar8` | maybe too late to play around with grub2 ... |
| 02:08.04 | Wyzard | dustybin: The "very latest" is what's at kernel.org; Debian's linux-source in sid is up-to-date but not always the very latest |
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| 02:08.29 | enouf | like non-assigned devices , and such - tinin , try lshw too - but pastebin entire dmesg output |
| 02:08.32 | akio | you have to edit some core file |
| 02:08.36 | akio | .img |
| 02:08.38 | dustybin | Wyzard: what i mean is, does the kernel source code match the latest debian kernel version? |
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| 02:09.02 | dustybin | OR do i need to patch that source code to my current version? |
| 02:09.04 | Wyzard | dustybin: linux-source-2.6.22-4 matches linux-image-2.6.22-4 |
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| 02:09.18 | tinin | sorry, I'm not new to linux, I use it exclusively for some years now, but with shiny interfaces. I've always afraid of console, so be patient with me too enouf |
| 02:09.19 | enouf | dustybin: debian builds from kernel.org source, applies patches, tests, etc |
| 02:09.28 | Wyzard | dustybin: but it does not exactly match what you get from kernel.org (Debian applies some patches relative to that) |
| 02:09.54 | dustybin | Wyzard: linux-source-2.6.22 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.22 with Debian patches |
| 02:09.57 | enouf | dustybin: #debian-kernel of oftc.net see /topic |
| 02:10.05 | Wyzard | dustybin: oops, sorry, typo |
| 02:10.26 | Wyzard | dustybin: linux-image-2.6.22-* packages are built from linux-source-2.6.22 |
| 02:10.58 | dustybin | aye it says 'version 2.6.22 with Debian patches' so those patches must make it up to 22-4 ? |
| 02:11.07 | Wyzard | dustybin: The number at the end (4 in this case) is an ABI revision that's incremented when a kernel configuration change has the potential to break binary compatibility with already-compiled modules |
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| 02:11.28 | Wyzard | dustybin: i.e. modules built for 2.6.22-3 might not work with 2.6.22-4 |
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| 02:11.33 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 02:11.37 | falbani | Hi. |
| 02:12.21 | enouf | Wyzard: IINM, incremented subversions do not necessarily mean an ABI change - not sure if you said that ;-) |
| 02:12.45 | Wyzard | dustybin: linux-source-2.6.22 itself gets updated occasionally with minor changes to the source code (mainly corresponding to updated patch releases from kernel.org) |
| 02:12.52 | falbani | Does anyone of you can recommend a free finit element simulator for Electrostatics? |
| 02:12.55 | Wyzard | enouf: What else makes it change? |
| 02:13.02 | akio | foobar8`: hey, did you understand the part about core.img being outside the lvg? |
| 02:13.50 | foobar8` | akio: not really - i go to bed now ... |
| 02:13.50 | enouf | Wyzard: honestly, i'm not sure .. but my last comment is from just loitering about the -dev channels and listening a bit .. maybe i'm mistaken though |
| 02:14.00 | dustybin | this doesnt work |
| 02:14.01 | foobar8` | good night all |
| 02:14.03 | dustybin | apt-get source linux-major |
| 02:14.07 | akio | night |
| 02:14.36 | dustybin | Wyzard: im following this, http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-getting |
| 02:15.03 | Wyzard | dustybin: What are you trying to *do*? |
| 02:15.28 | dustybin | Wyzard: re-compile my kernel and turn off USB AUTOSUSPEND options |
| 02:15.48 | Wyzard | dustybin: then just get linux-source-2.6.22 and build that |
| 02:15.57 | dustybin | Wyzard: the instructions says this |
| 02:16.00 | dustybin | apt-get source linux-major |
| 02:16.09 | dustybin | "This will download and unpack the linux-major source package, making the tree available in the linux-major-version directory. As always, the revision part of the version of this package (for example, 8 in 2.6.18-8) will determine its patchlevel with respect to the original upstream kernel source." |
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| 02:18.20 | Wyzard | dustybin: "linux-2.6" is the source package for all the current 2.6 kernels in Debian, it seems |
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| 02:18.25 | Wyzard | dustybin: so that's what you'd do "apt-get source" on |
| 02:18.36 | enouf | ahh.. found my grub2 config.log; $ ./configure --enable-grub-emu --prefix=/mnt/p3/home/distro/grub/build-grub2-1st --exec-prefix=/mnt/p3/home/distro/grub/build-grub2-1st |
| 02:19.13 | dob1 | hi, i need more swap space but i can't create a new partition , it is possible to use a file ? |
| 02:19.27 | Wyzard | dob1: yes, though it's potentially less efficient |
| 02:19.33 | andrboot | can anyone tell me why i am getting http://pb.udderweb.com/253 ? |
| 02:19.55 | enouf | dob1: the pkg name is linux-source-VERSION, iinm |
| 02:19.56 | Wyzard | dob1: Use dd or something to make a big file, then mkswap and swapon |
| 02:19.58 | enouf | erm |
| 02:20.03 | enouf | dustybin: the pkg name is linux-source-VERSION, iinm |
| 02:20.15 | enouf | dustybin: wait - my bad |
| 02:20.20 | dob1 | Wyzard, there is a program that doesn't install if i don't have at least 1024mb of swap :/ |
| 02:20.30 | Wyzard | enouf: "apt-cache show linux-image-$(uname -r)" says "Source: linux-2.6" |
| 02:20.39 | enouf | dustybin: oh yeah, perhaps - i built my own, using kernel.org sources, sorry - and debain sources |
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| 02:20.56 | enouf | Wyzard: you don't want -image, do you ? |
| 02:21.27 | Wyzard | enouf: He wants to rebuild the -image package |
| 02:21.37 | Wyzard | enouf: so he needs the source package it's built from, which is "linux-2.6" |
| 02:21.42 | enouf | linux-source-2.6.24 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.24 with Debian patches |
| 02:21.55 | Wyzard | enouf: He's not doing it the linux-source way |
| 02:22.13 | Wyzard | enouf: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html section 4.2 |
| 02:22.15 | enouf | Wyzard: oh, why not? this is odd |
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| 02:22.51 | Haris | Hello people, folks, guys, gals, everyone |
| 02:22.52 | enouf | i d/l that, run make menuconfig; then make-kpkg ;-) |
| 02:22.53 | Wyzard | enouf: dunno why he decided he needs to do it that way (personally I'd prefer using linux-source) but it's not an unreasonable thing to do |
| 02:23.00 | dustybin | there is ONLY ONE WAY, the DEBIAN WAY :P |
| 02:23.11 | enouf | well, i copy over config 1st and do make oldconfig 1st |
| 02:23.30 | enouf | dustybin: i'm doing it the debain way [tm] ;-) |
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| 02:24.44 | dustybin | i downloaded the source, uncompressed it |
| 02:24.51 | dustybin | did a make menuconfig |
| 02:24.54 | dustybin | this is what happened: |
| 02:24.57 | dustybin | http://paste-it.net/raw/private/r35c82b/ |
| 02:25.26 | Wyzard | dustybin: You need libncurses5-dev for menuconfig to work |
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| 02:25.36 | dustybin | aye ok :D |
| 02:25.45 | enouf | omg, just told someone that |
| 02:26.01 | Wyzard | dustybin: and install build-essential to make sure you have any compilation tools you may need |
| 02:26.04 | enouf | dustybin: better copy over a .config and run make oldconfig |
| 02:26.19 | dustybin | thats better |
| 02:26.25 | enouf | dustybin: you need fakeroot too, for make-kpkg |
| 02:26.30 | enouf | and kernel-package |
| 02:26.31 | dustybin | wow im inside the kernel config menu!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:26.42 | dustybin | enouf: i installed those |
| 02:26.48 | estigma | how are u people debianita!! |
| 02:26.49 | Wyzard | He's not using make-kpkg as far as I can see |
| 02:26.51 | dustybin | feels like a gentoo user |
| 02:26.57 | enouf | !8ball what has dustybin forgotten? |
| 02:26.57 | dpkg | Yes. |
| 02:27.02 | estigma | i'm willy , i'm from guatemala |
| 02:27.04 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.20 | estigma | we are chanel debianita is #debian-gt |
| 02:27.43 | estigma | nice to meet you people!! |
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| 02:27.47 | dustybin | now ive got to find that bastard USB AUTOSUSPEND and turn it off |
| 02:28.17 | enouf | Wyzard: one uses make-kpkg after menuconfig and such, and dustybin you should use make-kpkg so you can easily install and remove |
| 02:28.48 | Wyzard | enouf: I know about make-kpkg, but that's a different build system than what the official Debian linux-image packages use |
| 02:28.51 | enouf | dustybin: better make sure, that .config has all your working kernel's config options |
| 02:29.01 | Wyzard | enouf: Those have their own makefiles, which is what dustybin is (apparently) using |
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| 02:29.19 | enouf | Wyzard: ok, now you lost me - but that's cool ;-) |
| 02:29.30 | Wyzard | enouf: See the link I mentioned earlier |
| 02:29.44 | enouf | Wyzard: yeah, i know that whole handbook |
| 02:30.00 | enouf | Wyzard: but i only glance over it from time to time ;-) |
| 02:30.04 | Wyzard | dustybin: btw, http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/9/22/68 suggests that it may be possible to disable USB autosuspend using /proc, without recompiling anything |
| 02:30.36 | dustybin | Wyzard: ive tried everything, nothing works |
| 02:30.36 | enouf | dustybin: have you tried sdparm ala; http://alienghic.livejournal.com/382903.html ? |
| 02:30.56 | dustybin | i personally blame torvalds |
| 02:31.07 | Wyzard | dustybin: My search results also have several things mentioning "autosuspend fixes" in 2.6.23 |
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| 02:31.16 | Wyzard | dustybin: since you're apparently still running 2.6.22, consider upgrading (sid has 2.6.24) |
| 02:31.30 | dustybin | a sid kernel? |
| 02:31.33 | dustybin | interesting.. |
| 02:31.49 | enouf | Wyzard: are related lkml http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/8/14/187 that i got that last URL from, but yours is newer, let me read; thanks |
| 02:32.07 | Wyzard | dustybin: looks like one of the changes in 2.6.23 was "disable USB autosuspend on all devices except for USB hubs" |
| 02:32.17 | Wyzard | dustybin: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2007/9/13/259148 |
| 02:33.04 | dustybin | what happens if you guys do this: |
| 02:33.06 | dustybin | grep CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 02:33.30 | enouf | dustybin: i'm using .16 now ;-) but let me check all my newer builds :-P |
| 02:33.41 | Wyzard | dustybin: CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=y in 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 02:33.47 | dustybin | ok |
| 02:33.53 | enouf | i haven't touched any of that though in .22 .23 .24 .25-rc2 |
| 02:34.05 | dustybin | i need to try and find where to turn it off in the kernel menu config |
| 02:34.11 | enouf | i don't use usb devices either ;-) |
| 02:34.14 | dustybin | i havent a clue where it would be |
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| 02:34.25 | Wyzard | dustybin: but that just means the autosuspend driver is built; in 2.6.23 and later, the autosuspend driver apparently doesn't actually autosuspend most devices |
| 02:34.46 | Wyzard | dustybin: If you're going to replace your kernel, it'd be much simpler to just install the linux-image-2.6.24 from sid |
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| 02:35.18 | Wyzard | dustybin: rather than having to maintain a custom kernel build (including rebuilding whenever a new version is released, e.g. for a security update) |
| 02:35.24 | dustybin | "There are reports of the system losing one of the 2 tuners. This behaviour could be caused by the USB sub-system going to sleep/suspend. |
| 02:35.27 | enouf | dustybin: cd /into/source/dir ; find . -name 'Kconfig' -exec grep -il USB_SUSPEND {} \; .. then less the resultant files found ;-) |
| 02:35.28 | dustybin | A work-around is to pass a parameter to the usbcore kernel module, asking it to disable its suspend capability. " |
| 02:36.09 | Wyzard | dustybin: hmm, looks like even lenny has 2.6.24 |
| 02:36.10 | enouf | ./drivers/usb/core/Kconfig |
| 02:36.14 | Wyzard | dustybin: Why are you running 2.6.22? |
| 02:36.37 | dustybin | Wyzard: im running debian etch on my server, that is a backport kernel |
| 02:36.41 | Wyzard | ah |
| 02:36.58 | Wyzard | I'd check whether backports has a newer one, then |
| 02:36.59 | enouf | so in menuconfig - go to Drivers > USB > Core |
| 02:37.03 | dustybin | do you think i should do a dist-upgrade? |
| 02:37.14 | dustybin | ok |
| 02:37.37 | Wyzard | dustybin: I'd consider it highly preferable to install a newer pre-built kernel rather than build a custom one, since the newer pre-built one is likely to fix the problem |
| 02:37.37 | enouf | tuners? |
| 02:37.38 | rcbarnes | Is there a file containing a list of all packages that are currently installed? (And does it show every package or only list the ones I specifically installed?) |
| 02:38.33 | dustybin | enouf: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-500 |
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| 02:38.45 | dustybin | its a fix for that TV card, mythtv uses it |
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| 02:39.00 | enouf | $ modinfo usbcore |
| 02:39.07 | enouf | see if there's a param for suspend |
| 02:39.16 | dustybin | enouf: ive tried all that |
| 02:39.19 | enouf | mine are all =y |
| 02:39.33 | dustybin | the kernel doesnt respond to anything i put in /etc/modeprobe.d/ |
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| 02:39.59 | enouf | !selections |
| 02:39.59 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 02:40.11 | rcbarnes | enouf: thanks. |
| 02:40.30 | enouf | dustybin: it won't - if your usb_suspend=y ... |
| 02:40.50 | enouf | rcbarnes: also, see /var/log/dkpkg.log |
| 02:41.25 | dustybin | what happens if you guys do this |
| 02:41.28 | dustybin | cd /sys/bus/usb/devices/ | cat */*/power/level |
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| 02:41.44 | enouf | dustybin: i'm on old .16 here! ;-) |
| 02:41.55 | dustybin | oh yeah |
| 02:42.08 | enouf | and, i never use usb devices :-P |
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| 02:43.25 | Haris | someone at office was pestering me about usb device |
| 02:43.53 | Haris | I told him it was banned at office. At the end of the day, when I asked what he needed done with the usb, he said, he just wanted to copy songs |
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| 02:44.16 | dustybin | does this look like the one: |
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| 02:44.18 | Haris | I said dammit, is this what you were pestering me the whole day for? just some songs? I thought it was something about work |
| 02:44.19 | dustybin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.39 | enouf | dustybin: use the help feature |
| 02:44.45 | SeligArkin | Hi, I am using a pendrive and a iso to install debian, and chroot causes a segfault |
| 02:44.46 | enouf | the ? |
| 02:44.51 | SeligArkin | so I cant install the base |
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| 02:45.33 | SeligArkin | what should I do? |
| 02:46.08 | dustybin | enouf: http://paste-it.net/raw/private/q66eed7/ |
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| 02:46.32 | SeligArkin | GRR |
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| 02:47.09 | SeligArkin | "Failure trying to run chroot /target mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 02:47.37 | enouf | dustybin: wrong one ;-) |
| 02:48.46 | dustybin | really? |
| 02:48.52 | dustybin | [*] USB selective suspend/resume and wakeup (EXPERIMENTAL)? <-- that looks like it to me? |
| 02:49.17 | SeligArkin | sighs |
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| 02:49.30 | SeligArkin | anyone with any insite? |
| 02:50.11 | enouf | dustybin: http://pastebin.ca/raw/981888 |
| 02:50.25 | enouf | dustybin: that's the option, but you pasted the wrong info |
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| 02:50.36 | dustybin | ohh |
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| 02:51.09 | enouf | dustybin: move teh cursor over that option, then hit ? |
| 02:51.12 | dustybin | ive turned the bastard off |
| 02:51.13 | Compn | can someone tell me how to get a specific tab completion working with tcsh, i want cd f<tab> to show 'cd foo' then i hit tab to show 'cd foo1' then tab again for 'cd foo2' etc , any idea ? |
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| 02:52.01 | SeligArkin | cries |
| 02:52.13 | enouf | dustybin: so now, i had to fire up make menuconfig and see - and paste just to confirm |
| 02:52.19 | dustybin | make-kpkg clean |
| 02:52.36 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 02:53.00 | dustybin | server:~/linux-source-2.6.22# make-kpkg clean |
| 02:53.01 | dustybin | bash: make-kpkg: command not found |
| 02:53.03 | dustybin | hmmm |
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| 02:53.58 | dustybin | apt-get install kernel-package sorted that out |
| 02:54.22 | dustybin | fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 02:54.23 | enouf | !8ball did i tell him earlier or not? ;-) |
| 02:54.23 | dpkg | Unsure. |
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| 02:54.43 | enouf | you kind of suck 8ball :-P |
| 02:55.20 | enouf | !kp mantra |
| 02:55.20 | dpkg | hmm... kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 03:04.18 | TCossuto | what directory contains the init directories (rc0.d/rc6.d) on debian? |
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| 03:04.43 | dustybin | Cpu(s): 51.9%us ..its compiling.! |
| 03:05.06 | Haris | guys, why is it that even when I have cifs in /proc/filesystem, do I need smbfs to use smb shares? |
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| 03:06.06 | Haris | I experienced smbfs didn't support transferring large files (greater than 2 GB) and cifs did. |
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| 03:07.05 | enouf | TCossuto: /etc/ |
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| 03:08.09 | enouf | Haris: i heard a rumor or something, that mount.cifs actually calls/uses smbfs as default? not sure how true that is though |
| 03:08.23 | jml_ | i'd like to learn more about samhain so installed it on my laptop. 2 questions: does debian automatically initialize the baseline database? where is this database stored by default? |
| 03:08.46 | enouf | Haris: smbfs is mainly for older win98 and such |
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| 03:09.22 | cybermad | where can i get list of other country apt sources? |
| 03:09.41 | cybermad | i have problem with installing pfqueue |
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| 03:10.38 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.18/fs/cifs/README and poke around in it's parent |
| 03:10.55 | enouf | !mirrors |
| 03:10.55 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 03:11.27 | jaggdeb | hello, im having this problem, when i start the computer i start to get some weird messages from eth0, and i cant access to the internet, ifconfig eth0 shows that it received my sip provider ip, but i cant acces internet, and the weir messages are something like this "IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=190.38.145.167 DST=200.44.32.12 LEN=56 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID..." |
| 03:11.50 | cybermad | thanks |
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| 03:13.14 | Tramp | jaggdeb: that's a netfilter log message - what exactly is your problem? |
| 03:13.38 | jaggdeb | Tramp that i cant acces internet. |
| 03:13.50 | Tramp | jaggdeb: ah "cant access to the internet" - sorry, missed that part 8) |
| 03:14.45 | Tramp | jaggdeb: well. Did you install some sort of firewalling application? |
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| 03:15.04 | lastnode | hi, i got a new kernel, but wont get the madwifi modules |
| 03:15.06 | jaggdeb | :) :< what is this then? i mean i getting the ip address, why is not letting me connect? |
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| 03:15.51 | Tramp | jaggdeb: maybe because you installed some sort of firewall and misconfigured it? Answering my question might help. |
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| 03:16.36 | jaggdeb | Tramp well i havent installed or configured firewalls or any stuff like that |
| 03:16.57 | Tramp | jaggdeb: Hmm. To my knowledge Debian by default comes with no netfilter rules enabled. So either you are not running Debian or installed somthing later |
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| 03:17.03 | yxa | hi is it ok to install the i386 version on a dual opteron (amd64) ? |
| 03:17.21 | simonrvn | i386 version of what? |
| 03:17.27 | yxa | debian |
| 03:17.32 | jaggdeb | Tramp? well i installed ipmasq. but just the package |
| 03:17.42 | jaggdeb | didnt configured anything |
| 03:17.49 | amphi | yxa: that doesn't have smp support AFAIK |
| 03:17.50 | Tramp | Ah. now we are getting somewhere. |
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| 03:18.22 | yxa | amphi but it should work? |
| 03:18.30 | jml_ | yxa: it will work |
| 03:18.37 | amphi | yes |
| 03:18.45 | pinto3 | hello, anybody installed the newer oss deb drivers? i got sound working fine for the xfi but all the gnome sound utilities don't recognize the driver |
| 03:18.50 | amphi | you want i686 for the smp kernel I believe |
| 03:18.57 | Tramp | jaggdeb: So you have a Debian box with two interfaces, a public IP and ipmasq installed. Did I guess this right? |
| 03:19.56 | jaggdeb | jaggdeb, my debian computer is connected trough the usb modem, and ofc it has a thernet port but theres nothing plugged there |
| 03:20.03 | jaggdeb | Tramp :) |
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| 03:20.36 | cybermad | what apt sources do you use? i test all indonesian sources are broken, then 1 australia broke too |
| 03:20.54 | yxa | thanks |
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| 03:21.15 | Tramp | jaggdeb: why do you have ipmasq if you have only 1 interface? |
| 03:21.18 | yxa | cybermad just use the us one |
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| 03:21.38 | cybermad | i test israel.... same problem like others: |
| 03:21.52 | simonrvn | jp is ok iirc |
| 03:21.57 | cybermad | 66% [connecting to security.debian.org] [connecting to debian.co.il] |
| 03:22.13 | jaggdeb | Tramp because i was going to m ake a bridge to a windows computer to get connected trough debian pc. the debian pc connected trough usb to the internet and the ethernet port to connect it with the windows pc |
| 03:22.20 | cybermad | it said temporary failure resolving security.debian..org |
| 03:22.50 | cybermad | failed to fetch http://debian.co.il/debian/dists/etch/release.gpg temporary failure resolving 'debian.co.il' |
| 03:22.54 | simonrvn | nothing to do with the non-security mirror you have... |
| 03:23.02 | simonrvn | fix your dns |
| 03:23.13 | simonrvn | (or network) |
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| 03:23.47 | jaggdeb | Tramp should i just remove it then? :) |
| 03:23.48 | Tramp | jaggdeb: ok. I'm not familiar with usb modems. But you said the connection was set up. So what is the interface that carries your external IP? |
| 03:23.54 | cybermad | ok, i test opendns |
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| 03:24.06 | Tramp | jaggdeb: don't change anything, until my picture is clearer |
| 03:24.14 | TCossuto | how do you upgrade libc5 to glibc |
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| 03:24.43 | cybermad | arrgghh..you're correct, i can not ping anywhere |
| 03:24.47 | jaggdeb | Tramp ok, the debian pc is connected to the internet with an usb cable |
| 03:24.49 | SeligArkin | HEy, I am getting "Invalud Release Signature" with ftp.us.debian.org |
| 03:25.27 | TCossuto | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
| 03:25.27 | TCossuto | kernel? |
| 03:25.36 | TCossuto | in a standard debian install? |
| 03:26.11 | Tramp | jaggdeb: I understand this. ifconfig -a should show you the interface. What's its name? |
| 03:26.30 | engla | hm does this happen to you too? If I issue certain aptitude command lines my computer stalls for a short while, causing rhythmbox to skip 1 sec or so |
| 03:26.33 | SeligArkin | looks like telling it to use mexico's worked, but thta should really be fixed |
| 03:26.59 | engla | It's kind of a strange hang since the shell won't even output a newline until "it comes back" |
| 03:26.59 | jaggdeb | Tramp altough its connected trough usb, its called eth0 also |
| 03:28.09 | Tramp | jaggdeb: hmm. ok then. It has a public IP? |
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| 03:28.56 | jaggdeb | Tramp if you mean a dynamic ip then yes, or if you mean the direct ip my isp provides then also yes |
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| 03:29.44 | Tramp | jaggdeb: ok. So you acquired an IP over dhcp. Can you ping your default gateway? |
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| 03:31.25 | jaggdeb | Tramp i did "ping -b xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" and its just there |
| 03:31.32 | jaggdeb | seems theres no answer |
| 03:31.47 | jaggdeb | altough i dont know i never pinged with linux |
| 03:32.05 | TCossuto | anybody know what the location of the directory of C header files that match the running kernel on a standard debian install? |
| 03:32.06 | Tramp | jaggdeb: 190.38.145.167 <-- is this your external IP? |
| 03:32.31 | enouf | TCossuto: you install the -headers pkg |
| 03:33.16 | enouf | TCossuto: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 03:33.16 | jaggdeb | Tramp thats my second external ip, thats the one of this laptop, the one the debian pc is using is 190.38.145.167 |
| 03:33.34 | jaggdeb | oh lol :) same |
| 03:34.09 | rcbarnes | I could swear I installed a daemon that does adaptive caching of applications. However, I cannot seem to recall the name, and all my searches just turn up server-oriented ones. Does anyone happen to know what it might be? |
| 03:34.46 | Tramp | jaggdeb: So you have duplicate IPs or what? Your IRC client comes through ~.154.241 what's that? |
| 03:35.06 | jaggdeb | Tramp hey yes i pinged my gateway atm, its doing it right now |
| 03:35.20 | jaggdeb | Tramp my is provider gives me 4 dynamic ip |
| 03:35.38 | jaggdeb | Tramp so i can get four computer with direct isp ip |
| 03:36.04 | Tramp | jaggdeb: well, if two of your systems get the same IP, either he or you are not doing a good job |
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| 03:37.10 | jaggdeb | Tramp maybe i should just uninstall this ipmasq thing right? and btw i dont know why is this but i always get two diferent ips very similar tough but diferents in both pcs |
| 03:37.55 | Tramp | jaggdeb: "similar" is something else as "same". You said, that two of your systems have the same IP. Either you made a type or you have a serious problem |
| 03:38.31 | Tramp | jaggdeb: removing ipmasq will not help - it does not cause your problem, as far as I can see and you will need it later for the setup you described |
| 03:39.05 | jaggdeb | Tramp hahaha, well it wasnt miss typing, it was indeed the same ip |
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| 03:39.21 | Tramp | jaggdeb: than that was your problem. Glad we could fix it. |
| 03:39.58 | jaggdeb | Tramp i removed ipmasq, and now problem solved :) |
| 03:40.29 | Tramp | jaggdeb: removing ipmasq cause the IPs to be different now?? |
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| 03:41.05 | jaggdeb | Tramp maybe not cause the ip to be different, maybe just remove the netfiltee thing |
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| 03:41.28 | Tramp | jaggdeb: if the IPs are still the same on both systems, your problem is not gone. |
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| 03:42.04 | SeligArkin | Can anyone please help, I am at my wits end. |
| 03:42.06 | Tramp | jaggdeb: ping the gateway (which is likely the same) from both systems which have the same IP. One will work, one will not. Which one works is random |
| 03:42.13 | jaggdeb | Tramp yes i have two different ips now |
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| 03:42.45 | SeligArkin | debootstrap segfaults when it runs the proc mount |
| 03:42.52 | Tramp | jaggdeb: well. ok then. |
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| 03:44.13 | SeligArkin | it seems to be a problem in the chroot |
| 03:44.19 | SeligArkin | is there anyt way to fix this? |
| 03:44.22 | jaggdeb | Tramp thanks a lot anyway, but i dont understand, why i couldnt get connected then? i mean it wasnt just one time, it was every reboot i did, and i did like 6 just to see if i could get the internet work, i dont think both machines got same ip 6 times in a row |
| 03:45.42 | Tramp | jaggdeb: well - withouth knowing what happened the other 6 times, there is no way to tell. I can just say, that I'm pretty convinced, the problem you came here with was caused by the duplicate IP. |
| 03:46.35 | jaggdeb | Tramp but i mean the duplicate ips were caused by ipmasq and this netfilter thing right? |
| 03:46.36 | zophy | which version of gcc would be best to use for compiling programs in the testing source tree ? |
| 03:46.41 | SeligArkin | I am sorry to be such a bugger |
| 03:46.50 | SeligArkin | but why the hell wont chroot work? >_< |
| 03:47.01 | SeligArkin | segfaults in an installer are simple unacceptable |
| 03:47.14 | zophy | which version of gcc would be best to use for compiling the 2.6 kernel in the testing distro ? |
| 03:47.44 | Tramp | jaggdeb: no. ipmasq is not responsible for acquiring IPs. They are acquired through dhclient and handed out by your provide |
| 03:47.53 | zophy | i did a net install of lenny and no compiler was installed |
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| 03:48.16 | Tramp | jaggdeb: It could be, that your usb-modem connection was not working and dhclient used a cached IP (i.e. one it had acquired previously) |
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| 03:48.40 | SeligArkin | fuck it, i'm going to try installing ububtu |
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| 03:48.44 | jaggdeb | Tramp but remember i actually did pinged my gateway |
| 03:49.15 | black_13 | can i use dsl to install debian i have a computer that doesnt have a cdrom or floppy drive |
| 03:49.20 | Tramp | jaggdeb: yes - and it did not work as long as you had the duplicate IP. |
| 03:49.52 | Tramp | jaggdeb: which IP did change? the one in your laptop or the one in this box |
| 03:49.56 | dondelelcaro | black_13: yes |
| 03:50.19 | black_13 | i have been googling for a guide but havent found anyyting |
| 03:50.29 | jaggdeb | Tramp the one in debians box, im still connected so theres no chance this one changed |
| 03:50.37 | enouf | zophy: the testing versions of gcc/g++ |
| 03:50.38 | jaggdeb | right? =p |
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| 03:51.11 | enouf | zophy: install build-essential if you want to build shit |
| 03:51.36 | Tramp | jaggdeb: ?? as far as I understand, you are currently using 3 IPs - debian, laptop and the one you chat with |
| 03:51.47 | no_mind | when we upgrade a distro, will the older packages be removed ? or older unused packages need to purged maunally |
| 03:51.51 | black_13 | dondelelcaro, could you ofter any advice how how? |
| 03:52.05 | jaggdeb | jaggdeb? im using 2, debian abd THIS laptop, im using the laptop atm |
| 03:52.12 | jaggdeb | and* |
| 03:52.14 | zophy | enouf, that sounds reasonable, thank you |
| 03:52.19 | dondelelcaro | black_13: see the install guide; it lists all of the possible ways of installing Debian. |
| 03:52.23 | enouf | no_mind: i believe dist-upgrade option should do |
| 03:52.44 | black_13 | thanks i will check tha tout |
| 03:53.03 | enouf | !rube goldberg install |
| 03:53.03 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 03:53.06 | Tramp | jaggdeb: 190.38.145.167 <-- is this your external IP? .... <jaggdeb> Tramp thats my second external ip, thats the one of this laptop ... aggdeb: So you have duplicate IPs or what? Your IRC client comes through ~.154.241 what's that? |
| 03:53.35 | no_mind | dpkg, boot with usb drive |
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| 03:53.43 | jaggdeb | Tramp i think we are both very confused |
| 03:53.51 | jaggdeb | very |
| 03:53.57 | Tramp | jaggdeb: your irc client always was ~.154.241. So what did you mean with "190.38.145.167 ... is my second external IP" |
| 03:54.00 | enouf | no_mind: dpkg is a bot ;-) |
| 03:54.12 | no_mind | oops |
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| 03:54.22 | no_mind | enouf, then what that message meant ? |
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| 03:54.36 | enouf | no_mind: it was just a joke - i called |
| 03:54.43 | no_mind | okies |
| 03:54.48 | Tramp | jaggdeb: maybe. Because you didn't answer my questions, concerning the IPs carefully enough. |
| 03:54.49 | jaggdeb | Tramp oo i tought you were saying that "190.38.145.167" was my irc client |
| 03:54.59 | Tramp | where did I say that? |
| 03:55.01 | no_mind | but if there is a usb port the guy can boot with usb drive |
| 03:55.12 | enouf | no_mind: wikipedia for rube goldberg ;-) |
| 03:55.33 | enouf | no_mind: very true ... also pxe/netboot |
| 03:55.37 | black_13 | dondelelcaro, you mean this http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index ? |
| 03:55.54 | Tramp | jaggdeb: ok. So you did not have duplicate IPs. When I asked the question, the 145.167 was pingable. So your connection was always ok from my point of view |
| 03:55.54 | jaggdeb | Tramp how could you know " jaggdeb: 190.38.145.167 <-- is this your external IP?" that ip address if it wasnt because you saw it in whois me? |
| 03:55.56 | dondelelcaro | black_13: yes. |
| 03:56.01 | no_mind | enouf, but he says "no network card" |
| 03:56.20 | jml_ | can i use a gmail ip address in my fetchmailrc instead of pop.gmail.com |
| 03:56.21 | Tramp | jaggdeb: It was the IP you poster in your very first question, the one with the log line |
| 03:56.26 | enouf | <black_13> can i use dsl to install debian i have a computer that doesnt have a cdrom or floppy drive <-- where no_mind ? |
| 03:56.33 | jaggdeb | Tramp no it wasnt ok cause i coudnt get connected, aptitude update didnt worked, wget either... there was no access |
| 03:57.04 | jaggdeb | Tramp oh my mistake, tought you were talking about the one i was using in the laptop to connect to the irc |
| 03:57.13 | enouf | no_mind: you mean dpkg .. lol , just drop it ;-) |
| 03:57.15 | Tramp | jaggdeb: well. From a network point of view, it always was ok. |
| 03:57.21 | no_mind | enouf, I was referring to rube |
| 03:58.02 | black_13 | enouf, sorry i dont understand your statement |
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| 03:58.34 | Tramp | jaggdeb: You realize, that we made absolutely no progress in the last 45 minutes? |
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| 03:59.02 | jaggdeb | Tramp hahaha thats the only think ive been thinking the last 10 minutes XD |
| 03:59.09 | Tramp | jaggdeb: except, maybe, that ipmasq actually /was/ the cause of your problem - but we are nowhere nearer fixing it? |
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| 03:59.40 | jaggdeb | Tramp no way, im not going to install it again until i know how to use it properly and configure it |
| 03:59.48 | jaggdeb | im scared of ipmasq |
| 03:59.59 | jaggdeb | if it wasnt for you i would be reinstalling atm |
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| 04:02.24 | Tramp | jaggdeb: 64 bytes from 190.38.145.167: icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=282 ms <-- that was like 35 minutes ago and everything was fine then. So your network connectivity is ok, rest assured. |
| 04:02.46 | Tramp | jaggdeb: that was probably even before you removed ipmasq |
| 04:03.31 | jaggdeb | Tramp yes, when i got those outputs i was not able to connect to the internet so i wasnt ok |
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| 04:05.19 | jaggdeb | Tramp anyway mean thanks a lot, not many people stand for helping extreme noobs like me and still treat them with respect hehe |
| 04:05.40 | Tramp | yw |
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| 04:06.28 | gugox | hi.. i need to compile a program using libnet1.0.2 and the installed one in my system is libnet1.1.. anyway, i compiled libnet1.0.2 and obtained its include files (.h) and libnet.a |
| 04:06.32 | gugox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:11.47 | janrocks | wondering if anybody has any insite into why pidgin backport does not work on etch? |
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| 04:13.30 | sophacles | vim |
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| 04:14.25 | Tramp | gugox: from dark caverns of my memory: during compilation, use -I to give the compiler the location of the header, during linking -L to give the location of the lib (the directories) |
| 04:14.29 | MrNull | isn't there a program to test the fastest mirror on a new install? |
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| 04:15.12 | Tramp | !tell MrNull about apt-spy |
| 04:15.31 | gugox | tramp, hmm.. i used -L but forgot about -L... i'll try that |
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| 04:15.50 | Tramp | gugox: -L ... -L ? |
| 04:16.18 | gugox | Tramp: oops.. forgot about -I, i mean |
| 04:16.27 | MrNull | off a base install that needs a GUI. Can I just install kdebase? Or do I have to install the xserver first? |
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| 04:17.29 | facedown | Anyone wanna help me get wireless on my debian |
| 04:17.57 | facedown | I have an intel wireless card |
| 04:18.01 | facedown | i'm connected via wired now |
| 04:19.00 | Tramp | MrNull: I'd guess that kdebase pulls in a gig of dependencies, among them the X infrastructure |
| 04:19.13 | MrNull | Tramp: Thanks for all the help |
| 04:19.20 | Tramp | np |
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| 04:21.18 | Tramp | !ipw2100 |
| 04:21.18 | dpkg | i guess ipw2100 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: aptitude install ipw2100-modules-`uname -r` and then get the firmware from http://ipw2100.sf.net/ and drop that in /lib/firmware/ -- Also see #ipw2100 |
| 04:21.32 | Tramp | facedown: ^^ is this your card? |
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| 04:22.33 | facedown | hmm. |
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| 04:22.55 | facedown | dont think so |
| 04:23.00 | Tramp | facedown: or "/msg dpkg listkeys *ipw*" - maybe there is a better factoid |
| 04:23.23 | facedown | Tramp: i'm a complete noob to debian/linux and actually the wireless was working fine before i updated the kernel |
| 04:23.32 | facedown | Tramp: it used like mad dog or some thing with dog in it.. drivers |
| 04:23.43 | facedown | madwifi perhaps |
| 04:23.52 | Tramp | yeah. that has a dog in it |
| 04:23.55 | facedown | 2.6.22-4-686 |
| 04:23.59 | facedown | thats what i have now |
| 04:24.01 | Tramp | but then it's an atheros card |
| 04:24.01 | facedown | i had a prior version |
| 04:24.03 | facedown | yes |
| 04:24.06 | facedown | atheros is what i have |
| 04:24.20 | facedown | ive uninstalled my madwifi things using aptitude |
| 04:24.28 | Tramp | !madwifi |
| 04:24.28 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5. |
| 04:24.40 | facedown | uh |
| 04:25.49 | Tramp | facedown: so "/msg dpkg madwifi-install" - see if that gets you further |
| 04:26.20 | facedown | i did that |
| 04:26.28 | facedown | i tried m-a a-i madwifi |
| 04:26.33 | facedown | and it went to some blue/red thing |
| 04:26.39 | facedown | and it tried to install it but an error came up |
| 04:26.44 | facedown | it says 'please enable wireless extensions' |
| 04:26.52 | facedown | no clue. |
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| 04:28.39 | Ragon | Hi, I'm installing Debian 4.0r2 on another machine right now although it |
| 04:28.52 | Ragon | Hi, I'm installing Debian 4.0r2 on another machine right now although it''s stuck at the stage: Installing Kernal |
| 04:29.03 | Ragon | It's been like that for about an hour now and us using 100% CPU |
| 04:30.00 | Ragon | I don't have much time so should I just restart the installation or just wait? |
| 04:30.30 | facedown | Restart? |
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| 04:32.23 | facedown | how do i unpack a .tar.gz again |
| 04:32.31 | facedown | zxvf something something |
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| 04:37.24 | dondelelcaro | facedown: the tar manpage will clue you in if you forget... |
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| 04:38.33 | Mantaar | Ragon: Installing a system when you don't have much time is generally not a good idea. |
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| 04:39.16 | Mantaar | do you get some errors on the log console or is the machine frozen? |
| 04:39.54 | jaggdeb | when xorg says "mode clocl too high" is refering to video card clock? or monitor clock? |
| 04:40.21 | jaggdeb | "mode clock* is too high" |
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| 04:42.51 | rafuch0 | shut i be worry about the user nobody? |
| 04:43.13 | rafuch0 | where i can find i detail information about securing my debian system? |
| 04:44.10 | Guerin | rafuch0: aptitude install harden-doc |
| 04:44.13 | Guerin | then read |
| 04:44.27 | rafuch0 | Guerin, thkx :D |
| 04:44.29 | Guerin | and to answer your question: no |
| 04:45.15 | jaggdeb | when xorg says "mode clock too high" is refering to video card clock? or monitor clock? |
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| 04:47.10 | mrnull | How can I check to see if Debian found my wireless lan driver? |
| 04:51.21 | dondelelcaro | mrnull: ifconfig -a; will tell you. |
| 04:51.28 | dondelelcaro | (as will iwconfig) |
| 04:52.56 | mrnull | dondelelcaro: Could it be "sit0" |
| 04:53.48 | mrnull | deondelelcaro: nm, it's just the IPv6. Doesn't look like etch is detecting my wireless card. Think it's worth upgrading to lenny and see if it finds it? |
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| 04:54.19 | dondelelcaro | mrnull: no, it's not sit0. |
| 04:54.24 | dondelelcaro | mrnull: which network card do you have? |
| 04:54.53 | mrnull | New Toshiba laptop, Intel Centrino. Probably an Intel Pro Wireless |
| 04:57.50 | mrnull | dondelelcaro: Scratch that. It's a Realtek Wireless LAN driver |
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| 05:03.46 | dondelelcaro | mrnull: which realtek card? rt61? |
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| 05:07.12 | JyZyXEL | i have a machine that just keep crashing no matter what OS i run |
| 05:07.37 | JyZyXEL | any knowledge of some good bootable diagnostic tools? |
| 05:07.51 | JyZyXEL | maybe something that can check the tempretatures and memory |
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| 05:10.14 | rcbarnes | Is there a good command-line program that can take a DVD image and recompress it to fit within the limitations of 4.7 GB media? It doesn't have to decrypt or burn or anything, just recompress the video while mantaining the menus/structure/etc.? |
| 05:11.26 | mrnull | dondelelcaro: Toshiba's specs pdf doesn't say.. I'll google |
| 05:11.47 | _d4vid | good morning guys! |
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| 05:24.42 | rocketmagnet | hello, how can i find out which /dev device is related to my aiptek tabled ? |
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| 05:27.16 | jaggdeb | when xorg says "mode clock too high" is refering to video card clock? or monitor clock? |
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| 05:27.55 | cybermad | how can i see all file installation of package pfqueue, i want to find the configuration file |
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| 05:30.22 | mrnull | Anyone know how to get a rtl8187b wireless card working in debian? |
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| 05:31.32 | enouf | rcbarnes: just to repeat here too ;-) (for others) , there's dvdshrink used in wine - there's k9copy - there;s this http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/DVD9_to_DVD5_guide |
| 05:31.52 | enouf | !rtl8287 |
| 05:31.57 | enouf | !rtl8187 |
| 05:31.57 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, "modprobe rtl8187". All other chipsets or older kernels require driver compilation, see http://rtl-wifi.sf.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu for instructions. Revision 67 fails to compile on i386/2.6.18, check out r62 instead. <rtl-wifi 2.6.24> |
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| 05:32.17 | Tramp | mrnull: google for it. your chances are low, I'd guess. maybe with ndiswrapper |
| 05:32.28 | Tramp | mrnull: and the factoid does not apply to the "b" |
| 05:32.33 | rcbarnes | enouf: :-D |
| 05:32.35 | enouf | cybermad: dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 05:32.46 | enouf | cybermad: install debian reference |
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| 05:34.30 | cybermad | thanks |
| 05:35.00 | cybermad | that's why i tried dpkg -l pkgname not works :P |
| 05:35.06 | cybermad | it should be L |
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| 05:40.37 | token_macguy | So, i'll probably be upgrading to a "real" computer soon. what's everyone's feelings about ati vs nvidia gpu's? |
| 05:42.03 | token_macguy | specifically in terms of its use in linux for general computational uses. |
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| 05:45.03 | cybermad | how do i check version of my postfix? |
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| 05:48.49 | stew | cybermad: apt-cache policy postfix ; dpkg -l postfix ; dpkg -s postfi |
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| 05:52.11 | cybermad | thanks |
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| 05:54.05 | jaggdeb | when xorg says "mode clock too high" is refering to video card clock? or monitor clock? |
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| 05:58.54 | rcbarnes | How do I allow loopback mounting of images without root permissions? |
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| 06:01.44 | akio | i know ssh doesn't crap out normally |
| 06:02.08 | akio | i can connect but the password verification hangs |
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| 06:03.02 | akio | all i did was install ssh and try to use it |
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| 06:20.03 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 06:20.57 | _go_od_day | hello friends, I am getting error while playing rm files in realplayer, that your device is used by other process. How can I find that process ? |
| 06:21.40 | dimir | lsof | grep dsp ? |
| 06:22.25 | _go_od_day | it returns the prompt again. |
| 06:22.36 | _go_od_day | without anyoutput message |
| 06:23.16 | dimir | waidasec |
| 06:23.45 | dimir | lsof | grep /dev/snd |
| 06:23.46 | dimir | ? |
| 06:23.52 | _go_od_day | doing.. |
| 06:24.19 | dimir | You're using alsa, aren't you? |
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| 06:25.37 | _go_od_day | http://pastebin.ca/982020 |
| 06:25.54 | _go_od_day | I am using oss mixer, some how I am not able to play with alsa. |
| 06:26.18 | _go_od_day | under volume control its showing alsa mixer(HDA intel) |
| 06:26.49 | abchirk | _go_od_day you mean you cannot hear anything? |
| 06:26.56 | dimir | Hmmm, I suggest to switch to pure alsa. |
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| 06:28.04 | _go_od_day | dimir, yes, sure. Let me change it to alsa mixer from volume control -> change device -> selecting alsa mixer. |
| 06:30.44 | _go_od_day | dimir, after updating as above, still I am getting the error "Cannot open the audio device. Another application may be using it." |
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| 06:31.43 | dimir | _go_od_day: can you check reaplayer preferences if you can select the output device and select alsa. |
| 06:31.56 | _go_od_day | dimir, sure. |
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| 06:35.52 | jaggdeb | when xorg says "mode clock too high" is refering to video card clock? or monitor clock? |
| 06:35.56 | _go_od_day | dimir, there is no option for selecting alsa or output device. |
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| 06:45.30 | pibarnas | does anyone know how to use sed? I'm looking for a sed expression to get rid of a thousand initial numbers of lines of a rc file found on the web... |
| 06:46.27 | hoxu | pibarnas, you want to just remove N lines from the beginning or what? |
| 06:46.45 | pibarnas | hoxu: exactly. |
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| 06:47.06 | hoxu | pibarnas, tail -n +$NUM can do that if you know $NUM |
| 06:47.06 | qoreqyas | use tail |
| 06:47.54 | pibarnas | hoxu: hope, I don't want to remove the entire line, just the first caracters, that are numbers... |
| 06:48.14 | hoxu | pibarnas, all preceding numbers for all lines? |
| 06:48.27 | pibarnas | yep, that's it. |
| 06:48.45 | hoxu | pibarnas, try sed 's/^[0-9]*//' ? |
| 06:48.56 | pibarnas | okay, I'll try it. thanks. |
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| 06:49.54 | hoxu | pibarnas, also see man 7 regex |
| 06:50.41 | pibarnas | hoxu: it didn't work. :( |
| 06:50.49 | hoxu | !doesn't work |
| 06:50.49 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 06:50.57 | hoxu | pibarnas, can you show us the file? |
| 06:51.06 | pibarnas | hoxu: yep, of course. |
| 06:51.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I'm sure it does exactly what I think it does :) |
| 06:51.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | try sed 's/^ *[0-9]* *//' |
| 06:51.36 | hoxu | pibarnas, and the command you used to make it... not work |
| 06:51.48 | pibarnas | hoxu: http://www.sfr-fresh.com/linux/misc/mp3blaster-3.2.3.tar.gz:a/mp3blaster-3.2.3/doc/sample.mp3blasterrc |
| 06:51.51 | hoxu | pibarnas, and see what CutMeOwnThroat said if there's space in between :) |
| 06:52.03 | hoxu | right |
| 06:52.07 | pibarnas | that's the file, a rc for mp3blaster. |
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| 06:52.19 | hoxu | pibarnas, CutMeOwnThroat's command works for that |
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| 06:52.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | strokes deadcat |
| 06:52.54 | pibarnas | Yeahhhh! |
| 06:53.27 | pibarnas | CutMeOwnThroat: you're a genius! ;) great!, thank u all, folks! |
| 06:54.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | unconsciously wipes his hand at his throusers. |
| 06:56.01 | _go_od_day | dimir, thanks a lot.. I tried installing alsa-oss and now I can play rm files with realplayer |
| 06:56.14 | _go_od_day | Thanks a lot.. Thanks to all. |
| 06:57.04 | rcbarnes | How do I allow images to be mounted as loopback devices without requiring root permissions? |
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| 06:58.58 | hoxu | rcbarnes, I'm not sure if there's a way, and if there is, it's probably a gaping security problem |
| 06:59.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | why so? |
| 06:59.43 | hoxu | you can create an iso with whatever stuff you want? |
| 06:59.43 | rcbarnes | hoxu: Oh. |
| 06:59.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | not different than having people mount floppies or usb sticks |
| 07:00.00 | hoxu | and definitely the mountpoint and options would have to be restricted |
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| 07:00.26 | hoxu | CutMeOwnThroat, there's just one floppy for example, so you add the line in fstab with options that are not dangerous |
| 07:00.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | how is that different? |
| 07:00.44 | lea_w | Does anyone know if I can SIGINT (Ctrl+C) ntfsresize without corrupting the file system? |
| 07:01.09 | JyZyXEL | does Debian have a Live CD thingy? |
| 07:01.14 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, not yet |
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| 07:01.32 | JyZyXEL | hmm guess ill use the Ubuntu disc then |
| 07:01.39 | hoxu | CutMeOwnThroat, to my eyes it is, but I'm not sure if I have woken up properly, anyway, let me know if there's anything that allows it :P |
| 07:01.52 | lea_w | JyZyXEL: I'd use Ubuntu, it's obviously quite similar. Knoppix (especially the DVD) if you need obscure software |
| 07:02.17 | JyZyXEL | yea i can apt-get the tools i need |
| 07:02.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | rcbarnes, perhaps look at pmount... |
| 07:02.27 | hoxu | JyZyXEL, at your own risk, /msg dpkg livecd |
| 07:02.35 | hoxu | CutMeOwnThroat, afaik, it does not support loopback images |
| 07:02.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure, if it can do it... but worth a try |
| 07:03.05 | lea_w | (The answer about my ntfsresize question *seems* to be yes, just experimentally determined.) |
| 07:03.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | lea_w, we await your dropping out of the channel :) |
| 07:03.25 | rcbarnes | CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks. |
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| 07:06.47 | hoxu | CutMeOwnThroat, I guess you could use pmount if you hardcode the .iso location and mountpoint in /etc/fstab? :p |
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| 07:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I really don't know |
| 07:08.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | wondered if one could have an automounter like usbmount do it... when you copy the file somewhere... but that doesn't work, because it... going via udev, right? |
| 07:08.39 | hoxu | no idea |
| 07:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 07:09.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you could point a loop device somewhere |
| 07:09.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and put it in fstab |
| 07:09.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | then everything copied to that place could be mounted |
| 07:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, probably not - the loop device opens the file when the loop is created |
| 07:10.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... if there's no way to allow it with "mount" itself, it probably doesnt work |
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| 07:10.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | although it sounds unbelievable... with all that userspace fs stuff around |
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| 07:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | like this |
| 07:11.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ntfs-3g |
| 07:11.16 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 07:11.17 | hoxu | CutMeOwnThroat, crap, there's fuseiso |
| 07:11.36 | hoxu | fuseiso - FUSE module to mount ISO filesystem images |
| 07:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah :) |
| 07:11.48 | hoxu | too bad the guy left already |
| 07:11.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... see, I was also getting there :) |
| 07:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ntfs-3g is another fuse module,methinks |
| 07:12.36 | hoxu | true |
| 07:12.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hoxu, yeah, kids of today... no patience |
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| 07:13.36 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 07:13.55 | man_in_shack | anyone on testing/unstable having trouble with konqueror? |
| 07:14.15 | man_in_shack | "konqueror: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4: undefined symbol: stat64" << i'm getting this when i try running it |
| 07:14.20 | cahoot | !bts |
| 07:14.21 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 07:14.21 | hoxu | checked bts? |
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| 07:17.01 | man_in_shack | ah ... thanks guys |
| 07:17.13 | enouf | man_in_shack: #debian-kde ? |
| 07:17.20 | man_in_shack | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=471391 << i thought i had already upgraded all dependencies |
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| 07:17.48 | enouf | nm |
| 07:21.30 | man_in_shack | yay, now the crappy stinking browser runs :P |
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| 07:26.09 | Quintin | How do I scan a document from command line in linux? |
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| 07:26.54 | man_in_shack | "scan a document" << as in a flatbed scanner? |
| 07:27.18 | Quintin | well, multifunction device, but yea |
| 07:27.59 | cahoot | man scanimage? |
| 07:28.13 | streuner_ | man_in_shack: ever tried google? |
| 07:28.21 | Quintin | Just need the program name, no need to be smartass :) |
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| 07:28.47 | Quintin | $ apt-cache show scanimage |
| 07:28.52 | Quintin | W: Unable to locate package scanimage |
| 07:29.04 | streuner_ | !+tell Quintin -about smart questions |
| 07:29.05 | dpkg | told Quintin about smart questions. |
| 07:29.19 | Quintin | .... |
| 07:29.52 | streuner_ | !+tell Quintin -about search |
| 07:29.53 | dpkg | told Quintin about search. |
| 07:29.54 | cahoot | sane-tools |
| 07:30.00 | cahoot | or such |
| 07:30.15 | Quintin | I'll look at that |
| 07:30.17 | man_in_shack | my search came up with "sane-utils" |
| 07:30.21 | Quintin | Of course I searched before coming in here |
| 07:30.26 | man_in_shack | apt-cache search sane|less << :) |
| 07:30.38 | Quintin | This is on a server though, so I don't want any X stuff pulled in. I'll look at that |
| 07:31.01 | streuner_ | apis:/# apt-file search scanimage ; sane-utils: /usr/bin/scanimage |
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| 07:31.24 | streuner_ | Quintin: read the <search> factoid |
| 07:32.00 | Quintin | 03:30 < Quintin> Of course I searched before coming in here |
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| 07:32.39 | Quintin | thanks everyone! Hopefully I can get my old machine to scan this paper |
| 07:33.52 | Quintin | doesn't auto detech parallel port devices... have to mess with it a bit |
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| 07:38.27 | pibarnas | well, bye folks! thanks again! good night! |
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| 07:38.46 | Quintin | Crap. So far seems not possible to get this going... |
| 07:38.56 | Quintin | I need to scan / fax this doc so I can get paid |
| 07:39.13 | streuner_ | copyshop |
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| 07:39.28 | Quintin | yea.. wanted to do it here though |
| 07:39.38 | Quintin | guess I'll go to library or walmart or have a friend fax |
| 07:39.47 | streuner_ | has an old scanner which works only in 98 |
| 07:39.54 | Quintin | fun times |
| 07:40.07 | Quintin | I need to buy a new printer too.. this one claims it is out of ink |
| 07:40.12 | streuner_ | walmart or such are good places, usually they do it for less money |
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| 07:41.14 | Quintin | 2 companies have contacted me out of the blue to do warranty repair work. guess they found my company's website |
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| 07:42.22 | streuner_ | needs a working scanner in Linux too |
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| 07:43.33 | Quintin | I've never set one up in linux before. Most printers I have ever tried 'just work' though |
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| 07:44.15 | streuner_ | well, there is a website which list working scanners, and also linux-printing.org is a good place to look about |
| 07:44.27 | streuner_ | (about printers) |
| 07:44.54 | Quintin | I tried taking picture of paper with my digicam, that kind of sucked :D |
| 07:44.58 | streuner_ | multifunction-devices have usually a good chance to not work in linux (driver) |
| 07:45.12 | Quintin | that's kept me from converting some people |
| 07:45.36 | streuner_ | but check linux-printing.org |
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| 07:46.20 | Quintin | that's an adsit |
| 07:46.21 | Quintin | e |
| 07:46.33 | Quintin | no hypen I think is sit eyou mean |
| 07:46.54 | streuner_ | but check linuxprinting.org |
| 07:47.01 | streuner_ | it points to http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting |
| 07:47.14 | streuner_ | linux-printing.org was wrong |
| 07:48.06 | Quintin | that's kept me from converting some people. (officejet 300) |
| 07:48.51 | Quintin | oooh. it says I can send a fax with it |
| 07:48.58 | Quintin | but I don't have a POTS link |
| 07:49.14 | JyZyXEL | hmm |
| 07:49.25 | JyZyXEL | apt-get upgrade says i have 602 to be upgraded |
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| 07:49.36 | JyZyXEL | Need to get 741MB of archives. |
| 07:49.40 | JyZyXEL | can that be true o.o |
| 07:49.43 | streuner_ | happy download :-) |
| 07:49.43 | Quintin | yea |
| 07:49.51 | Quintin | that's only a few minutes of DL.. |
| 07:49.56 | Baloo | wonders what the trick is to installing nvidia drivers on amd64 |
| 07:49.56 | JyZyXEL | well yea.. |
| 07:50.02 | JyZyXEL | its not that im worried about |
| 07:50.41 | JyZyXEL | gah who cares, lets do this |
| 07:50.49 | Quintin | what are you worried about? |
| 07:51.07 | Quintin | JyZyXEL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnvSQuv-H4 |
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| 07:51.31 | JyZyXEL | sometimes apt brakes |
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| 07:51.51 | streuner_ | use aptitude instead |
| 07:51.55 | Quintin | I've not had problems upgrading even between versions with debian |
| 07:51.58 | streuner_ | JyZyXEL: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 07:51.58 | Quintin | yea aptitude ftw |
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| 07:52.19 | Quintin | I have problems upgrading ubuntu though :| always do a clean install for it |
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| 07:52.57 | JyZyXEL | streuner_ i have 2.7-5 |
| 07:53.11 | streuner_ | that makes sense then (dl) |
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| 07:53.25 | streuner_ | testing and unstable are at 2.7-10 |
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| 07:54.20 | JyZyXEL | is unstable the most f'ed up release? |
| 07:54.27 | JyZyXEL | the one with newest scheisse |
| 07:54.42 | xoz | !tell JyZyXEL -about unstable |
| 07:54.45 | streuner_ | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 07:55.05 | JyZyXEL | !tell JyZyXEL -about testing |
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| 07:55.37 | JyZyXEL | testing is the win for the desktop |
| 07:56.07 | streuner_ | there are also <backports> |
| 07:56.18 | streuner_ | etch/stable with backports |
| 07:56.21 | JyZyXEL | yea i remember those well |
| 07:56.24 | streuner_ | !backports |
| 07:56.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 07:56.34 | JyZyXEL | 4 years ago i was running stable and i discover this cool thing "backports" |
| 07:56.44 | JyZyXEL | i add it to my sources.list and did a full upgrade from it |
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| 07:59.45 | vinboy | why use backports instead of lenny? |
| 08:00.39 | streuner_ | well, etch is stable |
| 08:01.09 | streuner_ | it not makes sense if you using everything, just packages which you need to upgrade |
| 08:01.18 | maettu | is it still stable when using backports? |
| 08:01.21 | JyZyXEL | i didn't know that back then |
| 08:01.22 | JyZyXEL | hehe |
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| 08:01.25 | streuner_ | no |
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| 08:01.53 | vinboy | does backports get packages faster than lenny? |
| 08:01.57 | streuner_ | only these packages out of etch/stable |
| 08:02.07 | streuner_ | depends |
| 08:03.14 | JyZyXEL | aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
| 08:03.15 | JyZyXEL | ? |
| 08:03.27 | Quintin | JyZyXEL: ubuntu is the win for desktop :P |
| 08:03.36 | vinboy | by the way, what is the maximum block size doesn 64bit kernel supports? |
| 08:03.40 | JyZyXEL | i hate ubuntu |
| 08:03.51 | JyZyXEL | its diarhea |
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| 08:04.18 | JyZyXEL | its like a Debian but with the worst modifications ever |
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| 08:04.26 | maettu | JyZyXEL: come on.. |
| 08:04.32 | JyZyXEL | lol |
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| 08:04.36 | Quintin | I disagree. not really OT though |
| 08:04.52 | valdyn | vinboy: why would you care about the maximum blocksize a _kernel_ supports? |
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| 08:05.36 | maettu | JyZyXEL: ubuntu is fine for many people, perhaps not you, but this should be ok |
| 08:05.52 | vinboy | valdyn: in 32bit, kernel onl support 4KB block size |
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| 08:06.00 | vinboy | i'm trying to use 16KB |
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| 08:06.09 | valdyn | vinboy: nonsense |
| 08:06.14 | valdyn | vinboy: blocksize of what? |
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| 08:07.29 | vinboy | file system |
| 08:07.41 | valdyn | vinboy: which file system? |
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| 08:08.27 | vinboy | valdyn: XFS |
| 08:09.02 | pinto3 | i get the best performance with 8192 buffers but 4096 bytes is the st_blksize member for ext3 |
| 08:09.11 | pinto3 | or above that |
| 08:09.25 | valdyn | vinboy: XFS on Linux currently only supports pagesize or smaller blocks. |
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| 08:09.32 | pinto3 | i think the kernel uses 8192 byte buffers and grabs 2 disk blocks at a time |
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| 08:12.19 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.25 | JyZyXEL | uptime killer -.- |
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| 08:12.43 | mavhc | what use is an OS that can't update its kernel without rebooting? |
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| 08:13.03 | valdyn | mavhc: is there an OS that can? |
| 08:13.04 | Baloo | Hey! I liked Debian bo, dammit! |
| 08:13.11 | Baloo | valdyn: Recent 2.6 kernels. |
| 08:13.26 | Baloo | valdyn: GNU/Hurd, too. |
| 08:13.30 | valdyn | Baloo: yea well, thats pretty much the same as rebooting |
| 08:13.44 | valdyn | Baloo: except that hardware isnt being touched by the bios again |
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| 08:14.12 | Baloo | Linux's support is still rudimentary. |
| 08:14.36 | valdyn | Baloo: all services and stuff have to be restarted |
| 08:15.01 | Quintin | bleh, who cares about uptime |
| 08:15.08 | Quintin | trying to make your vpenis larger? :p |
| 08:15.19 | neogojira | lol |
| 08:15.48 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 08:15.55 | JyZyXEL | all unsaved data will vanish :( |
| 08:16.08 | Baloo | valdyn: Like I said, rudimentary. |
| 08:16.22 | Quintin | While we're on it though.. desktop 1 day, 14:05 , server 1 up 17 days, 2:49 , server 2 up 190 days, 3:55, 3 users |
| 08:16.29 | valdyn | Baloo: its not rudimentary, its just something else. |
| 08:16.47 | JyZyXEL | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.58 | valdyn | Baloo: it doesnt even try to update a kernel, it loads a new one |
| 08:16.59 | Quintin | gateway / firewall: 4:16AM up 46 days, 6:07, 2 users |
| 08:17.08 | Quintin | JyZyXEL: I win? :D |
| 08:17.15 | JyZyXEL | no i |
| 08:17.29 | Quintin | JyZyXEL: 190 > 184 |
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| 08:17.33 | Baloo | I bet eventually it'll evolve into something that can load a new kernel on the fly. |
| 08:17.38 | Baloo | ala Hurd |
| 08:17.39 | DirkGently | 09:17:07 up 1 day, 13:20, 1 user, load average: 0.25, 0.32, 0.53 <- the problems running vmware on Windows |
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| 08:17.43 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 08:18.06 | DirkGently | Spiticus |
| 08:18.06 | Airbottle | hmz |
| 08:18.06 | DirkGently | +l |
| 08:18.06 | Baloo | DirkGently: You're doing it backwards. |
| 08:18.06 | JyZyXEL | omgz |
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| 08:18.09 | Baloo | DirkGently: You're supposed to run Windows in the VM. :o) |
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| 08:18.49 | DirkGently | Baloo: yeah I know... but I can cope with flat graphics in Linux - not Windows |
| 08:18.58 | DirkGently | wb you lot |
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| 08:19.08 | Baloo | DirkGently: So use virtualbox-ose instead of that vmware shite. |
| 08:19.33 | DirkGently | Baloo: I use vmware... same as work |
| 08:19.39 | valdyn | vmware does have dx support |
| 08:19.45 | valdyn | but only up to dx8 i think |
| 08:19.52 | Quintin | Baloo: I've not trieed virtualbox yet. is it win? |
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| 08:19.57 | Quintin | qemu is too slow for me oftn |
| 08:20.17 | Baloo | Quintin: Oh yes, it's like vmware if vmware didn't suck. |
| 08:20.18 | neogojira | all platform |
| 08:20.21 | DirkGently | valdyn: my PC can just about cope playing Bioshock... don't think it would work to well in a vm |
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| 08:20.45 | Quintin | Baloo: what's diff between OSE and free edition? |
| 08:21.05 | Baloo | Quintin: OSE is in debian. |
| 08:21.17 | Quintin | well, both are in ubuntu |
| 08:21.19 | Baloo | As in, main. |
| 08:21.26 | Quintin | is free edition faster at all? |
| 08:21.42 | Baloo | Screw Ubuntu, it's a needless distraction from debian-desktop |
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| 08:21.59 | davedorm | lol |
| 08:22.09 | davedorm | I am finding that to be true |
| 08:22.17 | Quintin | right but back to our virtualbox discussion.. |
| 08:22.21 | Airbottle | many people like ubuntu Baloo it has more users than debian |
| 08:22.30 | Quintin | Also.. do you think I could just use my raw disk images? Or would windows crap at changed hardware |
| 08:22.39 | Airbottle | but then again, many people like windows... |
| 08:22.52 | streuner_ | folks, ubuntu is OT here, please keep that in mind |
| 08:22.53 | Baloo | Airbottle: AOL proved 32 million people CAN be wrong. |
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| 08:23.26 | Quintin | streuner_: well since ubuntu is built on debian, hard to avoid it coming up in conversatoin |
| 08:23.41 | Baloo | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-desktop/ |
| 08:23.47 | Quintin | Baloo: do you know any big differences between virtualbox free and ose? I have to install it now.. I was gonna sleep :D |
| 08:24.05 | Baloo | Quintin: Nope, I don't know of any big differences. |
| 08:24.24 | Quintin | http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/03/14/new-electric-skateboard/ |
| 08:24.28 | Baloo | Quintin: Both seem to work just fine for me, one just happens to be apt-gettable. |
| 08:24.35 | Quintin | I should get one of those to go around town to my appointments |
| 08:24.52 | Quintin | Baloo: neat-o. They should work nicely for testing VMs for me |
| 08:24.57 | Quintin | Baloo: what kinda hardware you have? |
| 08:25.33 | Baloo | Well, some 1.7GHz k7 at the time I last ran OSE a couple weeks ago. I just put a 3GHz amd64 in the other day. |
| 08:26.09 | DirkGently | hmmm... no x86_64 version |
| 08:26.23 | Baloo | DirkGently: Probably because it's called amd64 now |
| 08:26.29 | DirkGently | well it doesn't like my core2duo |
| 08:26.32 | Quintin | Baloo: same mobo? I have a P4306ghz , 3gb dualchan ram |
| 08:26.55 | DirkGently | Baloo: I tried amd64 version |
| 08:26.58 | Baloo | DirkGently: Oh, that would probably be what, ia64 i think? |
| 08:27.12 | DirkGently | ia is Itanium |
| 08:27.35 | Baloo | Is there another 64-bit Intel architecture now? |
| 08:27.55 | valdyn | now? itanium is much older than amd64 |
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| 08:28.23 | Baloo | IA is Intel Architecture. i386 is somewhat regularly referred to at Intel itself as IA32 |
| 08:28.35 | DirkGently | that's why they use x86_64 - should work with amd and intel |
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| 08:28.49 | drcode | hi all |
| 08:28.52 | Quintin | intel has had 64bit support for awhile |
| 08:28.58 | Quintin | even some p4s are 64 bit iirc |
| 08:29.00 | valdyn | ia64 is really Itanium |
| 08:29.11 | Baloo | ia64 and amd64 are two mutually incompatable subarchitectures, AFAICT> |
| 08:29.11 | drcode | is there program in linux that can take image of hdd and also be posible to mount this image? |
| 08:29.18 | DirkGently | Quintin: virtualbox has i386 or amd64 |
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| 08:29.54 | valdyn | drcode: yes, but its more complicated than you might think if that partition you are trying to image is mounted rw |
| 08:30.24 | Quintin | drcode: dd |
| 08:31.04 | DirkGently | Baloo: doh! it's because I'm running 32-bit XP |
| 08:31.11 | Baloo | Hah |
| 08:31.19 | DirkGently | amd64 will probably work on XP-64 |
| 08:31.43 | drcode | no |
| 08:31.53 | drcode | I want only to copy files |
| 08:31.58 | drcode | dd can be mounted? |
| 08:32.12 | drcode | like acronis do |
| 08:32.24 | Baloo | I stopped paying too much attention to the CPU end of things when I started working at Intel a couple years back. I was too busy with networky shit to really care more than "Hey, this change y'all are doing over on the CPU and motherboard end of things isn't going to screw it up for is, is it? No? Cool. See ya at lunch!: |
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| 08:33.40 | DirkGently | Baloo: I lost touch with it after dual-cores started coming out |
| 08:33.56 | Quintin | drcode: yes |
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| 08:34.15 | Quintin | drcode: mount -o loop foo.img /mnt |
| 08:34.28 | drcode | dd also compress image? |
| 08:34.40 | Quintin | drcode: gzip |
| 08:34.45 | drcode | there is other option other then dd? |
| 08:34.49 | Quintin | drcode: what is your goal? |
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| 08:35.14 | Baloo | DirkGently: Heh, for some reason that reminded me of Radio Intel (the company's piped music and music on hold system). And it reminded me of the summer I worked there. The Teddybears "Different Sound" was in heavy rotation. |
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| 08:35.22 | drcode | I want to take image in compressed and also mount it |
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| 08:36.35 | Quintin | drcode: for what purpose? |
| 08:36.48 | drcode | copy files |
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| 08:37.28 | Baloo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RepRap_Project These are neat. I heard about them on CBC Radio 1 on Thursday's "As It Happens" |
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| 08:39.15 | DirkGently | Baloo: next stop: SkyNet |
| 08:39.48 | Baloo | The neat thing about that is it's "free hardware" as it were. |
| 08:39.49 | drcode | Quintin: dd can also compress the image? |
| 08:40.00 | Baloo | It's a DFSG-compliant machine. |
| 08:41.08 | Baloo | I imagine using the reprap from sid would probably not be recommended... all those updates would get to be real expensive on the hardware. :o)? |
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| 08:47.50 | nite613_ | !lenny |
| 08:47.50 | dpkg | hmm... lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
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| 08:54.01 | Hyphenex | When I try to alter my /etc/resolve.conf I get generated by NetworkManager, do not edit! then a broken DNS address appearing :( |
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| 08:56.12 | Penix | Hyphenex: if you're using NetworkManager to configure your network settings, then use it to adjust your DNS settings |
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| 08:57.34 | vraa | hello folks |
| 08:57.48 | vraa | how do i refresh bash so i can run a script after adding it to /usr/sbin/ |
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| 08:59.11 | dustybin | vraa: you dont need to refresh bash |
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| 08:59.22 | sperfection83 | salut les gens |
| 08:59.22 | kakashi_ | I have a big problem |
| 08:59.22 | dustybin | vraa: i would personally put it in /usr/local/sbin |
| 08:59.29 | kakashi_ | I am not able to install g++ |
| 08:59.44 | vraa | i am following these instructions : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349#comment_63 |
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| 08:59.52 | Penix | kakashi_: that's nice. any *useful* details? |
| 09:00.01 | kakashi_ | the problem is that it states 'libc6 is already the newest version' |
| 09:00.07 | vraa | i cannot run the "apache2-ssl-certificate" command, "-bash: apache2-ssl-certificate: command not found " |
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| 09:00.13 | Penix | kakashi_: that's got nothing to do with it |
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| 09:00.34 | streuner_ | !find ssl-certificate |
| 09:00.37 | kakashi_ | while "libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5) but 2.7-6 is to be installed" |
| 09:00.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ssl-certificate' (1): (/usr/lib/ada/adalib/aws/aws-net-ssl-certificate__gnutls.ali, /usr/share/ada/adainclude/aws/{aws-net-ssl-certificate.ads|aws-net-ssl-certificate__dummy.adb|aws-net-ssl-certificate__gnutls.adb|...}) in libdevel/libaws-dev. |
| 09:00.52 | Penix | kakashi_: don't install testing/unstable package on your etch system |
| 09:00.55 | Penix | packages rather |
| 09:00.59 | streuner_ | !listvals ssl-certificate |
| 09:01.01 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ssl-certificate' by value returned no results. |
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| 09:01.05 | streuner_ | !listvals certificate |
| 09:01.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'certificate' by value (11): 802.1x ;; rootca ;; curl ;; secure sockets layer ;; ca ;; telnet ;; rootca and apache rootca #DEL# ;; rootca #DEL# ;; rfc1114 ;; rfc1422 ;; apache mod-ssl. |
| 09:01.14 | kakashi_ | the primary packages themselves are not getting installed due to this |
| 09:01.36 | streuner_ | kakashi_: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:01.41 | Penix | kakashi_: because what you're doing is unsupported, not recommended by anyone, and likely to screw up your system |
| 09:02.00 | Penix | and seems to already have done that |
| 09:02.06 | streuner_ | kakashi_: and paste your sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 09:02.08 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 09:02.23 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know some kind of streaming server with the following caps: |
| 09:02.26 | streuner_ | Penix: go on then |
| 09:02.39 | HardDisk_WP | -it can be found & accessed via upnp capable streaming clients |
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| 09:02.48 | Penix | streuner_: bah. stuck with me now, eh? ;) |
| 09:02.57 | HardDisk_WP | -it gets a playlist of mp3s and streams those over the net |
| 09:03.10 | Penix | kakashi_: what's wrong with etch's g++? why are you trying to install the unstable one? |
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| 09:03.40 | dustybin | what is the latest debian lenny kernel? |
| 09:03.53 | streuner_ | dustybin: find out via pdo |
| 09:04.03 | dustybin | pdo? |
| 09:04.06 | Penix | packages.debian.org |
| 09:04.11 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 09:04.30 | nocti | forgot, which of curl and wget can do downloads involving sequencially numbered files, like hello[001-100].jpg. tnx |
| 09:04.42 | Penix | nocti: pretty sure wget can.... |
| 09:04.57 | nocti | Penix, kthx |
| 09:05.00 | dustybin | bloody heck, testing lenny has the 2.6.24 kernel |
| 09:05.01 | vraa | dustybin: i did "sudo cp /usr/sbin/apache2-ssl-certificate /usr/local/sbin/apach2-ssl-certificate" and still, i cannot run the script |
| 09:05.17 | vraa | i have copied the script using pico, i am sshing through a mac, could that cause problems |
| 09:05.32 | Penix | vraa: make it executable |
| 09:05.37 | dustybin | vraa: chmod +x /usr/local/sbin/apach2-ssl-certificate |
| 09:05.54 | nocti | Penix, ah i was looking for curl's [] option, tnx anyway :) |
| 09:06.16 | Penix | I'm not sure if it's actually up to wget/curl to support that though |
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| 09:06.33 | Penix | I'd assume it's just a generic shell thing |
| 09:06.36 | streuner_ | !apache mod-ssl |
| 09:06.36 | dpkg | i guess apache mod-ssl is How can I create and use my own Certificate Authority CA http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html#cert-ownca, or or see the package make-ssl-cert. |
| 09:07.08 | nocti | Penix, it was a feature curl had, but i keep forgetting because i use wget more :) |
| 09:07.30 | maxxu | is there a browser for my installed packages that lets me go throug the installed file trees of my various packages, search for files and documentation, and have bookmarks to files/docs? |
| 09:07.41 | dustybin | my home server is running, debian etch, postfix, squirrelmail, nfs, samba, rtorrent, irssi, etc, ive also compiled some tools myself like mythtv .21, zoneminder, heyu. if i do a apt-get dist-upgrade would it more than likely break my system? |
| 09:07.59 | kakashi_ | Penix: well , when I try to install g++ "g++: Depends: g++-4.1 (>= 4.1.1-2) but it is not going to be installed" is what I get |
| 09:08.13 | Penix | dustybin: it shouldn't, but your custom stuff might run in to some problems |
| 09:08.22 | Penix | dustybin: the upgrade process is one of the best things about debian |
| 09:08.23 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 09:08.28 | dustybin | :D |
| 09:08.29 | maxxu | noo don't do it |
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| 09:08.42 | Penix | dustybin: don't go upgrading without thinking first though |
| 09:08.51 | Penix | dustybin: if you only need a couple of packages, use backports |
| 09:08.58 | dustybin | yep ok, ill try and get this custom kernel working first |
| 09:09.05 | dustybin | ok |
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| 09:09.11 | Quintin | Baloo: http://pastebin.ca/982138 :| |
| 09:09.27 | maxxu | if you create a package if you custom stuff, will it be able to find dependencies after you upgrade? |
| 09:09.30 | vraa | okay i chmod +x the file, but i can't run it, should i have saved it with .sh extension? |
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| 09:09.31 | kakashi_ | Penix: "dpkg -l lib6" shows 'ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries' |
| 09:09.43 | dustybin | Penix: i am using a backport kernel at the moment, but im in the process of re-compiling it to turn of USB_AUTOSUSPEND option |
| 09:09.52 | dustybin | off |
| 09:09.54 | Penix | kakashi_: you've screwed up your system. you've got a stable/unstable hybrid |
| 09:10.18 | Penix | !partial downgrade |
| 09:10.18 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
| 09:10.25 | Penix | kakashi_: ^^ |
| 09:10.26 | JyZyXEL | how long does memtest take? |
| 09:10.31 | Penix | JyZyXEL: depends |
| 09:10.33 | kakashi_ | yeah |
| 09:10.41 | kakashi_ | Penix: let me try it |
| 09:10.43 | JyZyXEL | 512 266MHz DDR |
| 09:10.53 | dustybin | Penix: could i install a lenny testing kernel on a debian etch system without breaking anything? kernels are usually clean installs? |
| 09:11.50 | Penix | dustybin: a better idea would be compiling your own package of the lenny kernel, but built for etch |
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| 09:11.59 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 09:12.02 | dustybin | good idea |
| 09:12.39 | kakashi_ | Penix: any other remedy? |
| 09:12.45 | Penix | kakashi_: reinstall? |
| 09:12.52 | dustybin | Penix: once ive finished compiling my custom kernel, how would i install the nvidia driver against it? |
| 09:13.07 | Penix | kakashi_: if you had a normal etch system with a proper, updated sources.list, you should be able to install g++ just fine |
| 09:13.13 | Penix | kakashi_: even better, 'build-essential' instead |
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| 09:13.45 | Penix | dustybin: rebuild the packages I assume. I've only ever used the manual nvidia installer |
| 09:13.48 | kakashi_ | Penix: what is build-essential? |
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| 09:13.55 | Penix | kakashi_: the package you should've installed |
| 09:14.02 | Penix | !build-essential |
| 09:14.02 | dpkg | build-essential is, like, a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
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| 09:15.04 | dustybin | Penix: compiling a custom kernel isnt hard at all, i imagined it to be a long complicated process, its just a few commands, eventually i will end up with a .deb with the new kernel to install |
| 09:15.22 | kakashi_ | Penix: it it trying to downgrade packages <-- a lot of them |
| 09:15.37 | cahoot | the crux being compiling a working kernel |
| 09:15.45 | Penix | which is dead easy |
| 09:16.09 | dustybin | recommends section 4.3 if anyone needs to rebuild the kernel: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-getting |
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| 09:25.25 | N3bunel | saluta |
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| 09:29.56 | dustybin | it worked!!! |
| 09:29.58 | dustybin | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18443456 2008-04-12 10:29 linux-image-2.6.22_custom.1.0_i386.deb |
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| 09:30.21 | dimbit | anyone know of an easy way to share a display between 2 machines? |
| 09:30.38 | JyZyXEL | a switch |
| 09:30.39 | dustybin | kvm |
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| 09:30.53 | dimbit | no, no, like simultaneous video and audio on 2 machines |
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| 09:31.11 | JyZyXEL | you mean half of the screen to ther? |
| 09:31.21 | dimbit | no, both machines to show the same at the same time |
| 09:31.28 | lastnode | dimbit: that's dual head |
| 09:31.37 | dimbit | lastnode: not what I meant |
| 09:31.41 | JyZyXEL | lol what |
| 09:31.42 | lastnode | ok |
| 09:31.42 | dustybin | o_0 |
| 09:31.48 | dimbit | 2 machines, 2 monitors, both playing the same video |
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| 09:32.01 | lastnode | oh, right |
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| 09:32.25 | dimbit | and not getting out of sync like they do if you just hit play on both ;) |
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| 09:32.44 | JyZyXEL | they do? |
| 09:32.53 | dimbit | eventually |
| 09:32.58 | JyZyXEL | well yea makes sense |
| 09:32.59 | dustybin | dimbit: dvi or vga ? |
| 09:33.07 | dimbit | dustybin: irrelevant |
| 09:33.22 | dustybin | dimbit: it is relevant if a box doesnt exist |
| 09:34.01 | dustybin | dimbit: where is the logic in getting 2 machines playing the same video? |
| 09:34.04 | JyZyXEL | PC:s have cheap parts |
| 09:34.12 | dimbit | I don't think I'm getting this across... I have a machine downstairs, and one upstairs. I want them to play the same content at the same time, ideally by the upstairs machine just sharing the display from downstairs |
| 09:34.35 | JyZyXEL | like for example its impossible to get PC sync with musical equipment without MIDI |
| 09:34.36 | dustybin | dimbit: what kind of content? |
| 09:34.45 | dimbit | video, music, whatever |
| 09:34.49 | JyZyXEL | the timing is just horribly inaccurate |
| 09:34.50 | dimbit | I just want the same thing on both screens |
| 09:35.08 | dimbit | think sports bar style multiple tv's |
| 09:35.09 | dustybin | dimbit: so you dont need 2 machines? you just need 2 displays? |
| 09:35.15 | JyZyXEL | there is OSC for syncing sound |
| 09:35.19 | dustybin | 1 machine >>> 2 displays ? |
| 09:35.19 | JyZyXEL | dunno about video |
| 09:35.19 | dimbit | no, I need a machine up stairs to connect the second monitor to |
| 09:35.32 | dustybin | dimbit: you just need a convertor box |
| 09:35.45 | dimbit | not what I'm trying to do |
| 09:35.47 | dustybin | machine 1 >>> vga in >>> 2x vga out >>> monitor 1 monitor 2 |
| 09:35.55 | dimbit | I have 2 pc's. they're in place and used |
| 09:35.58 | JyZyXEL | whats >>> |
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| 09:36.12 | dimbit | I want to be able to get the upstairs one to show what's playing on the downstairs one, but not all the time |
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| 09:36.51 | dimbit | what I'm looking for is the equivalent of "export DISPLAY=machine1:0 AND machine2:0" |
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| 09:37.28 | dustybin | dimbit: http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/multi.php?mycode=SVGADAE |
| 09:37.28 | dimbit | I'm not running new vga cables all over my house for this - there must be a way |
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| 09:37.48 | JyZyXEL | wtfduw |
| 09:38.12 | dimbit | there's a perfectly good 100MBps network cable |
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| 09:38.47 | dimbit | and that solution would mean unplugging the monitor all the time when I want to connect it back to the pc |
| 09:38.57 | dimbit | other than a desktop sharing app, is there a proper way? |
| 09:38.58 | heroxbd | Hi, I am looking for a squid log analyser, which bans IPs from which connections against squid acl rules origin. |
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| 09:40.03 | heroxbd | I have looked into fail2ban, but it does not support squid. |
| 09:40.10 | jintxo | dimbit, I think the "usual" way is to stream multimedia over the network with things like vlc as a client |
| 09:40.45 | jintxo | or mythtv or that sorts of things |
| 09:41.06 | dimbit | jintxo: that might work, but was hoping for a slick way to export a display to 2 places at once |
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| 09:41.16 | dimbit | I guess I'll try those |
| 09:41.18 | jintxo | 1 mythtv backend -> 2 mythtv frontends |
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| 09:42.52 | jintxo | dimbit, but if you want the full display (see the same console not just multimedia but everything else) the only real thing I can think of is vnc-type stuff or transporting vga/rgb/s-video over long cables |
| 09:43.20 | maxxu | hey, have you guys seen the J programming languae? |
| 09:43.29 | JyZyXEL | whats that? |
| 09:43.36 | maxxu | language, even |
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| 09:44.02 | maxxu | it's a functional scripting language evolved or descended from apl |
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| 09:44.15 | JyZyXEL | uh huh |
| 09:45.01 | maxxu | statements like v.^:_") are programs |
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| 09:45.33 | maxxu | it's a language where you code in ascii smilies |
| 09:46.28 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 09:46.52 | lastnode | LOLCODE is fun too |
| 09:46.57 | lastnode | I CAN HAS STDIN |
| 09:47.00 | lastnode | and so on |
| 09:47.15 | JyZyXEL | esoteric languages are fun |
| 09:47.16 | lastnode | someone actually wrote a compiler for that i think |
| 09:47.19 | JyZyXEL | like Brainfuck |
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| 09:50.15 | dustybin | my custom kernel worked!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:50.19 | dustybin | server:/home/dustybin# grep CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 09:50.23 | dustybin | # CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND is not set |
| 09:50.25 | dustybin | :-D |
| 09:51.18 | JyZyXEL | how custom? |
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| 09:53.12 | dimbit | ok, vlc lets me stream to the pc upstairs, but I can't figure out how to have it plat downstairs at the same time |
| 09:53.23 | dimbit | it seems it's either streaming or playing, not both |
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| 09:55.24 | lastnode | dimbit: stream via vlc, and listen via another instance? |
| 09:55.28 | jake | I've been trying to configure my linux box to connect to my network for ages, but can't seem to get it on there. Is there an autoconfiguration tool? |
| 09:55.28 | lastnode | (on the same machine) |
| 09:55.37 | lastnode | jake: ethernet? |
| 09:55.47 | jake | Yes, ethernet |
| 09:55.54 | lastnode | jake: usually once you select the iface and put dhcp, it should just work |
| 09:56.19 | lastnode | jake: pastebin your 'ifconfig' and 'netstat -r' for me and ill have a look |
| 09:56.19 | dimbit | lastnode: yea, that's a pita tho. I'll keep rtfming... |
| 09:56.24 | jake | Well, it's saying no offers, and my router which uses DHCP should allocate addresses no problem, it works for my other systems |
| 09:56.27 | jake | Thanks |
| 09:56.42 | lastnode | jake: also please do a lspci | yourcardname |
| 09:56.53 | lastnode | or just tell me your card and chipset |
| 09:57.15 | jake | lastnode, it lists eth0, lo and sit0 |
| 09:57.22 | lastnode | ok |
| 09:57.30 | lastnode | i really need to see the output |
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| 09:57.37 | lastnode | use http://caboo.se |
| 09:57.39 | lastnode | or pastebin.ca |
| 09:57.42 | jake | I'd have to type up all of the output, which I'd be willing to do, but I can say at this point that netstat -r has no actual output |
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| 10:00.27 | lastnode | jake: oh right |
| 10:00.33 | lastnode | there is no net on that box |
| 10:00.42 | lastnode | my bad, i thought you could just cat && pastebin |
| 10:01.00 | jake | Link Encap: Ethernet HWAddr 00:E0:B7:B4:84:72 \ UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric: 1 |
| 10:01.07 | jake | Basically the entire output |
| 10:01.14 | lastnode | of what? |
| 10:01.15 | jake | netstat -r shows nothing under its columns |
| 10:01.23 | lastnode | do 'route' |
| 10:01.24 | lastnode | ? |
| 10:01.26 | jake | Sorry, for ifconfig under eth0 |
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| 10:01.30 | lastnode | ok |
| 10:01.32 | lastnode | do ifup eth0 |
| 10:02.09 | jake | That said it's already configured, and route (which I did both before & after) had no values in its columns returned |
| 10:02.19 | lastnode | ok |
| 10:02.22 | lastnode | let's do it the hard way |
| 10:02.28 | lastnode | gimme your network info |
| 10:02.32 | lastnode | gw, netmask etc |
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| 10:03.04 | jake | Gateway should be 192.168.3.1 |
| 10:03.19 | n0mad | hello :) terminals can i/how increase max number off lines |
| 10:03.24 | lastnode | do ifup eth0 192.168.3.X (whatever you want, something that isnt already assigned ont eh net) |
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| 10:03.34 | jake | My subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 according to router |
| 10:03.52 | Spee_Der | n0mad, you mean for scroll back ? |
| 10:04.03 | lastnode | jake: then do 'route add default gw 192.168.3.1' |
| 10:04.08 | lastnode | then give me a netstat -r output |
| 10:05.03 | jake | When trying that rotue command, it comes up with 'network not accessible' |
| 10:05.13 | Spee_Der | n0mad, go to Edit, Profiles, Default Profile, Edit, Scrolling and set the value. Mine is set for 9999 |
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| 10:05.16 | jake | Er, 'unreachable' |
| 10:05.46 | n0mad | Spee_Der, yea scrool back t.y. |
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| 10:06.29 | lastnode | jake: that's weird. looks like your network card driver may not be recognised |
| 10:06.53 | Spee_Der | Going to work, see you folks later. |
| 10:07.15 | jake | Another oddity; it worked last night on a different network. I installed this machine (netinst) on my home network, and have brought it into the office today (which will obviously have different network info) |
| 10:07.53 | jake | So the network card and such *must* be recognized |
| 10:08.10 | lastnode | hmm, now im not going to be able to go to bed till this is fixed |
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| 10:08.19 | lastnode | jake, what is the network card and model? |
| 10:08.21 | lastnode | PCI I assume? |
| 10:08.35 | jake | Uhm, unsure, I'll check, I assume dmesg would tell me |
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| 10:10.52 | jake | Yes, I'm fairly sure it's PCI, but dmesg|grep eth0 and dmesg|grep net didn't have anything to say about it, lastnode |
| 10:11.10 | lastnode | jake: try lspci? |
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| 10:11.55 | jake | Lovely, Intel 82557 |
| 10:11.56 | lastnode | both my wired and wireless ethernet cards show up in that |
| 10:12.02 | jake | Yeah, it's there |
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| 10:14.27 | lastnode | jake: this dude writes about your card, but it turns out it was just busted - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-155579.html |
| 10:14.31 | lastnode | you might want to have a read though |
| 10:16.47 | lastnode | jake: try the earlier ifup command with 'netmask 255.255.255.0' added to it |
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| 10:17.39 | n0mad | Spee_Der, -L num, --save-lines num - is it what im looking for ? |
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| 10:18.28 | nerd1234 | hi. does anyone know about mtrr? |
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| 10:19.01 | jake | lastnode, sorry, I'm trying it but it's giving errors, what's the exact syntax I should use? |
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| 10:19.20 | lastnode | jake: i just manned 'ifconfig' i forget |
| 10:19.27 | lastnode | man ifconfig and search for 'netmask' |
| 10:19.37 | lastnode | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.37 | jake | Ah, I was trying it with ifup |
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| 10:19.53 | nerd1234 | mtrr, anyone? |
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| 10:21.19 | jake | Cannot assign requested address, lastnode |
| 10:21.27 | jake | I used ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 10:22.23 | lastnode | set the ip as well |
| 10:22.36 | lastnode | ifconfig eth0 192.168.3.WHATEVER netmask 255.255.255.0 ? |
| 10:22.57 | dustybin | i have download this: linux-source-2.6.22 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.22 with Debian patches and created a custom kernel, that works ok, but now i need to get lirc running against it, what version of the linux-headers do i download? |
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| 10:24.03 | lastnode | dustybin: linux-headers for the kernel you downloaded, obviously |
| 10:24.24 | jake | I still can't get on the dhcp now, but 'route' shows me: Destination: 192.168.3.0, Gateway: *, ... Iface: eth0 |
| 10:24.51 | raz0 | dustybin, If you compiled from source, you don't need headers. |
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| 10:25.39 | lastnode | jake: we're not doing dhcp. this is static ip. |
| 10:25.46 | lastnode | is the ip you set - 192.168.3.0? |
| 10:25.50 | lastnode | make that a non zero |
| 10:25.55 | lastnode | put that as '99' or something pls |
| 10:26.20 | JyZyXEL | hmm 3hrs of memtesting and 8 passes |
| 10:26.21 | nerd1234 | i can't find anyone interested in mtrr |
| 10:26.24 | jake | lastnode, oh, sorry, I've got slightly confused now |
| 10:26.27 | JyZyXEL | time to try the CPU burn |
| 10:26.32 | dustybin | raz0 & lastnode : this is the error: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2536 |
| 10:26.59 | jake | So if I@m trying for static, what commands should I execute? I tried to set default gw with route but now 'route' shows nothing, so I think I did a boo-boo |
| 10:27.06 | lastnode | jake: mate, we're setting the ips manually. dhcp assigns an ip, but since that doesnt seem to be working |
| 10:27.10 | lastnode | ok |
| 10:27.17 | lastnode | ifconfig eth0 192.168.3.WHATEVER netmask 255.255.255.0 ? |
| 10:27.23 | lastnode | WHATEVER == 99 for now? |
| 10:27.25 | lastnode | ok |
| 10:27.27 | lastnode | then do |
| 10:27.43 | lastnode | route add gw default 192.168.3.1 (if you are SURE this is your gateway, of course) |
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| 10:28.49 | dustybin | ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid. |
| 10:28.59 | dustybin | include/linux/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing. |
| 10:29.08 | dustybin | Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it. |
| 10:29.21 | lastnode | !dpkg tell dustybin about kernel |
| 10:29.31 | lastnode | er sorry, ive forgotten the bot commands |
| 10:29.55 | jake | lastnode, syntax error there, I don't want to hold you up for longer by reading the whole manpage, was on of your route args incorrectly placed? |
| 10:30.03 | jake | s/(on)/\1e/ |
| 10:30.06 | dustybin | the kernel is a complicated bastard :P |
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| 10:30.46 | cahoot | aren't the headers already in place since you have the full src? |
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| 10:31.12 | lastnode | jake: ill have a look, one sec |
| 10:31.18 | lastnode | and no, you're not holding me up. |
| 10:31.27 | lastnode | i got a free OS from debian, the least I can do is help others like me |
| 10:31.41 | Hyphenex | Why, even though I've set my IP address to a static one, will my /etc/resolve.conf file keep on being overwritten? |
| 10:32.02 | lastnode | jake: foobar on my part - route add default gw 192.168.3.1 |
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| 10:34.50 | vinboy | what is the contrib repository? |
| 10:34.57 | lastnode | vinboy: contrib |
| 10:34.58 | lastnode | :) |
| 10:35.06 | lastnode | !contrib |
| 10:35.06 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 10:35.09 | vinboy | thanks |
| 10:35.12 | dustybin | lirc doesnt compile against my custom kernel :( |
| 10:35.20 | lastnode | jake: how's that going mate? |
| 10:35.36 | vinboy | !non-free |
| 10:35.36 | dpkg | [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 10:35.41 | vinboy | !free-windows |
| 10:35.46 | vinboy | !free-vista |
| 10:35.56 | maxxu | besides fixing grub and fstab, is there anything else I need to do if i want to move my whole debian install to another partition? |
| 10:36.00 | jake | Sorry lastnode, I missed the message, I've successfully ran that route command now |
| 10:36.06 | lastnode | ok |
| 10:36.10 | lastnode | now do ping 192.168.3.1 |
| 10:36.28 | vinboy | hey... i'm trying to install KDE4's OKULAR on my lenny |
| 10:36.43 | vinboy | anyone have experience?? i'm trying to use apt pinning |
| 10:37.10 | Hyphenex | Why, even though I've set my IP address to a static one, will my /etc/resolve.conf file keep on being overwritten? |
| 10:37.13 | jake | lastnode, can't find the host. 'route' shows me this, now: oh, hang on, I'll pastebin it |
| 10:37.39 | lastnode | dont type it in man |
| 10:39.01 | jake | lastnode, the route output: http://pastebin.ca/982201 |
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| 10:39.27 | lastnode | jake: i know this is gonna sound stupid, but check the cat5? |
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| 10:39.45 | lastnode | i spent close to a month fixing my DSL connection before finally discovreing the little phone wire at the end was bad |
| 10:39.53 | Rienzilla | Hyphenex: I think resolvconf does that |
| 10:40.47 | Hyphenex | Rienzilla: how do I tell it what nameservers I want to use? |
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| 10:42.36 | RuyalarPrensi | !turk |
| 10:42.36 | dpkg | turk is probably #debian.tr |
| 10:42.45 | lastnode | jake: im gonna brb |
| 10:42.49 | Hyphenex | Rienzilla: I can't seen to find resolvconf, how do I tell it not to? |
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| 10:44.58 | cahoot | Hyphenex: man resolvconf - has an explicit example |
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| 10:45.35 | dustybin | the problem is down to: include/linux/autoconf.h and include/config/auto.conf for some reason lirc doesnt like my custom kernel |
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| 10:46.08 | dustybin | im doing a: m-a update && m-a prepare && m-a auto-install lirc |
| 10:46.32 | dustybin | the nvidia driver installed ok using the similar process |
| 10:46.41 | Hyphenex | cahoot: No manual entry for resolveconf |
| 10:46.58 | cahoot | Hyphenex: man resolvconf - mind the e |
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| 10:49.05 | CharminTheMoose | why does lmms depend on wine? |
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| 10:50.17 | Hyphenex | cahoot: No manual entry for resolvconf |
| 10:50.50 | cahoot | Hyphenex: install it? |
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| 10:51.43 | Hyphenex | cahoot: heh, kind of hard considering... no DNS :P |
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| 10:52.19 | cahoot | Hyphenex: put in some dns entries in /etc/resolv.conf by hand? |
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| 10:53.29 | ma3x | can i copy opentype fonts from windows to linux? |
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| 10:56.59 | Hyphenex | cahoot: I do, but they only last in there for a few seconds before it gets over-written |
| 10:57.33 | streuner_ | ma3x: you could copy everything :-) |
| 10:57.57 | streuner_ | !ttf xf4 |
| 10:57.57 | dpkg | For info on how to get True Type Fonts working under XF4, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-0011/msg01817.html, or http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html for up-to-date instructions for Woody and greater.. To make true type fonts to work on sid you'll need to configure X to use defoma fonts. Install the x-ttcidfont-conf to do this and then install the true type packages, for example msttcorefonts |
| 10:57.59 | ma3x | streuner_, but where should i copy them to? |
| 10:59.08 | streuner_ | dpkg, ttf xf4 is <reply> For info on how to get True Type Fonts working under XF4, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-0011/msg01817.html or http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html (dead, but no alternative) for up-to-date instructions for Woody and greater.. To make true type fonts to work on sid you'll need to configure X to use defoma fonts. Install the x-ttcidfont-conf to do this and then install the true type packages, |
| 10:59.08 | streuner_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.09 | dpkg | ...but ttf xf4 is already something else... |
| 10:59.09 | ma3x | streuner_, those sites won't work! |
| 10:59.18 | pinto3 | if i yoink out the unused system names on my system and a package is installed that requires them, they'll be created automatically right? |
| 10:59.34 | pinto3 | not really a security concern, my little scanner just reports them over and over |
| 10:59.39 | streuner_ | ma3x: true :-( |
| 11:00.01 | streuner_ | ma3x: check out google HOW to use other fonts then |
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| 11:00.25 | streuner_ | ma3x: basically /usr/share/fonts/ |
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| 11:00.54 | streuner_ | ma3x: but you need to tell X (config) where to find and make some things in these folders... |
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| 11:01.43 | streuner_ | ma3x: i searched a few weeks ago for an alternative URL, but i didnt find one |
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| 11:03.21 | JyZyXEL | i need something to make my CPU stressed |
| 11:03.27 | JyZyXEL | make the computer HOT |
| 11:03.35 | Penix | kick the crap out of the heatsink |
| 11:03.40 | ma3x | streuner_, just add the dir to xorg.conf? and then do what? |
| 11:03.40 | JyZyXEL | lol |
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| 11:04.06 | Penix | or just tape a picture of Alan Cox to it |
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| 11:04.34 | streuner_ | ma3x: ever tried google ;-) |
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| 11:05.02 | JyZyXEL | hmm how am i gonna stress the CPU |
| 11:05.05 | JyZyXEL | fork bomb is too much |
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| 11:05.30 | Penix | JyZyXEL: constant stress or real world stress? |
| 11:05.43 | JyZyXEL | constant super stress |
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| 11:05.49 | Blast_Hardcheese | create a really big dump of /dev/urandom then run several instances of md5sum on it? |
| 11:05.50 | JyZyXEL | i wanna see if it overheats the box |
| 11:06.09 | JyZyXEL | good idea |
| 11:06.12 | ponale2 | im in the situation where i just want to erase all the packages and reinstall from scratch. what apt-get suits me? |
| 11:06.13 | Penix | it won't if your cooling systems are decent |
| 11:06.16 | JyZyXEL | now gimme the oneliner ;) |
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| 11:06.28 | Penix | JyZyXEL: it's not hard |
| 11:06.36 | streuner_ | ma3x: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/TT-Debian.html sounds promising ;-) |
| 11:06.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | JyZyXEL: Yeah, you know how to use dd, right? |
| 11:06.43 | JyZyXEL | yea |
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| 11:06.54 | Blast_Hardcheese | dd a 4 gig file from /dev/urandom |
| 11:06.54 | the_herby | JyZyXEL: only the CPU, or do you want to stress your harddrive also? |
| 11:07.06 | JyZyXEL | i only have 512 of memory |
| 11:07.12 | ma3x | streuner_, do i need to do 'mkfontdir'? and must they be all lower case names? |
| 11:07.24 | Blast_Hardcheese | then md5sum bigfile in 4 different terminals |
| 11:07.28 | JyZyXEL | i don't have hard drive at all |
| 11:07.35 | streuner_ | ma3x: yes, no. |
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| 11:08.24 | JyZyXEL | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null |
| 11:08.38 | ma3x | streuner_, i'll boot debian, can you repeat me the link in 5 mins? |
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| 11:09.24 | the_herby | you might also renice it to get more CPU for your cat to /dev/null thing |
| 11:09.28 | streuner_ | sure |
| 11:09.57 | JyZyXEL | im watch -n 1 sensors |
| 11:09.57 | JyZyXEL | i can see it raise |
| 11:09.57 | JyZyXEL | we are at 60C |
| 11:09.57 | JyZyXEL | raising fast |
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| 11:10.37 | streuner_ | ma3x: http://wiki.slashconcept.com/index.php/Truetype_Fonts_unter_Debian_GNU_Linux_Howto |
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| 11:11.00 | dustybin | ive had enough im upgrading to lenny what uses a .24 kernel |
| 11:11.07 | dustybin | prepares to break box |
| 11:11.33 | streuner_ | hands dustybin a sledgehammer |
| 11:11.35 | ma3x | brb |
| 11:11.41 | dustybin | who dares me to press 'enter' |
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| 11:11.43 | dustybin | apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 11:12.54 | dustybin | 571 upgraded, 94 newly installed, 5 to remove and 5 not upgraded. |
| 11:12.55 | dustybin | Need to get 378MB of archives. |
| 11:12.55 | dustybin | After unpacking 181MB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 11:12.58 | dustybin | jeeze.... |
| 11:13.09 | dustybin | here we go.. |
| 11:13.15 | the_herby | good luck |
| 11:13.43 | streuner_ | Most people are unhappy if no upgrades available, but YOU unhappy if some exist, strange :-) |
| 11:14.04 | dustybin | streuner_: this is not upgrade, this is dist-upgrade from etch > lenny |
| 11:14.22 | streuner_ | desktop or server? |
| 11:14.25 | dustybin | lenny is testing, not ideal for a server |
| 11:14.28 | dustybin | but its only a home server |
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| 11:14.40 | dustybin | running mail, apache, nfs, samba |
| 11:14.45 | dustybin | mythtv, zoneminder |
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| 11:14.52 | ma3x | streuner_: paste me the 2 links pls |
| 11:14.52 | streuner_ | ma3x: http://wiki.slashconcept.com/index.php/Truetype_Fonts_unter_Debian_GNU_Linux_Howto |
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| 11:15.11 | streuner_ | ma3x: first URL is from 2000 ... |
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| 11:15.26 | streuner_ | second is in german, but thats ok for you :-) |
| 11:15.43 | streuner_ | and use google :-) |
| 11:15.50 | streuner_ | or better learn to use it |
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| 11:16.14 | streuner_ | is searching again for an english website about (ttf) |
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| 11:22.05 | force | how can i manually remove a package from dpkg database, so its not even seen as being installed? |
| 11:22.24 | force | without using the obvious apt-get remove etc commands |
| 11:22.27 | streuner_ | remove the scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 11:22.33 | force | okay |
| 11:22.35 | streuner_ | and run "apt-get -f install" |
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| 11:22.50 | streuner_ | only the scripts about THIS package NOT everything |
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| 11:23.37 | force | okay thanks |
| 11:23.59 | force | yeah that worked nicely thanks |
| 11:24.07 | streuner_ | np |
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| 11:26.15 | maxxu | is there a good todo list manager? |
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| 11:30.10 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 11:30.26 | man_in_shack | anyone know of a way to type unicode codepoints into an xterm? |
| 11:30.38 | man_in_shack | like U+B0 == °, that sorta thing |
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| 11:36.58 | dustybin | so far so good |
| 11:37.02 | dustybin | Linux server 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 27 17:45:04 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 11:37.22 | dustybin | http works ok, but https has lost my config, it now says 'IT WORKS!" |
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| 11:37.27 | dustybin | the default apache2 setup |
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| 11:37.37 | JmGV | hello all, should i use aptitude or apt-get? |
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| 11:38.00 | man_in_shack | JmGV, aptitude :) |
| 11:38.03 | dustybin | apt-get |
| 11:38.04 | JmGV | i have been using apt-get for a long time, but lastly i see in all webs people using apt-get |
| 11:38.06 | man_in_shack | hehe |
| 11:38.10 | JmGV | i:-) |
| 11:38.21 | JmGV | is a question of taste ;-) |
| 11:38.29 | man_in_shack | you're pretty much guaranteed to have apt-get installed. aptitude is optional |
| 11:38.30 | JmGV | i thought apt-get was going to be deprecated or something |
| 11:38.51 | JmGV | am okey, but, have any advantage using aptitude? |
| 11:38.58 | JmGV | is safer o something? |
| 11:38.59 | icesword | how to install apt-get |
| 11:39.07 | man_in_shack | aptitude is designed very much as a graphical front-end. as such, some of the command-line methods are less efficient than apt-get |
| 11:39.27 | vi390 | how can I forward a content stream from one machin to another. I want to call a cgi Script, something like wget http://sourceinside the Network and make it available to the public side. But I only want to pull that specific value, not the whole port. From inside the network my Approach is working, but outside it does not translate the internal call it tries to get the value with the internal IP from the outside. |
| 11:39.36 | JmGV | okey... so, i dont need to learn a new tool again. I will continue usign my friend apt-get |
| 11:39.38 | vi390 | Does someone know any other solution which works |
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| 11:40.35 | JmGV | thanks a lot |
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| 11:41.37 | JmGV | other question for you guys... i have been using debian since 2.1 but... .. i would like to know... a DD is a person who make software for Debian or a person to package other software for be using in debian. I mean, to make .deb |
| 11:42.42 | vinboy | hi |
| 11:42.44 | vinboy | why do I get mail: command not found |
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| 11:43.51 | man_in_shack | vinboy, probably because you don't have a command called "mail" could not be found |
| 11:44.10 | JmGV | vinboy: apt-get install mail |
| 11:44.22 | vinboy | thanks |
| 11:44.32 | man_in_shack | JmGV, i think in the past, it's been a debian packager, but that's changing |
| 11:44.37 | vinboy | E: Couldn't find package mail |
| 11:44.44 | JmGV | umm |
| 11:44.53 | JmGV | vinboy let me see |
| 11:45.00 | man_in_shack | there are package maintainer positions who are nowhere near the real "developer" status :) |
| 11:45.19 | man_in_shack | JmGV, and when helping vinboy, it'd be a good idea to find out how he's getting the error :) |
| 11:45.31 | JmGV | :-) |
| 11:46.20 | JmGV | debian should create a Debian Packager figure and a Debian Developer figure |
| 11:46.22 | dustybin | im unable to get the nvidia driver to install on lenny |
| 11:46.24 | dustybin | http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2537 |
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| 11:47.00 | man_in_shack | JmGV, that's what they're doing, i believe |
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| 11:47.20 | JmGV | oki |
| 11:47.28 | JmGV | vinboy apt-get install mailx |
| 11:47.30 | man_in_shack | dustybin, how are you installing it? |
| 11:47.41 | vinboy | ok i got it |
| 11:47.43 | vinboy | thanks JmGV |
| 11:47.58 | JmGV | it nice to be able to help |
| 11:48.02 | dustybin | apt-get install module-assistant gcc nvidia-kernel-common |
| 11:48.09 | dustybin | m-a update |
| 11:48.15 | dustybin | m-a prepare |
| 11:48.22 | dustybin | m-a auto-install nvidia |
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| 11:48.54 | drmarwat | hello |
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| 11:49.20 | man_in_shack | odd |
| 11:49.42 | drmarwat | im looking for a package called " ubiquity" , where can i find it for etch? |
| 11:50.27 | man_in_shack | drmarwat, google knows all |
| 11:50.49 | drmarwat | man_in_shack, tried google, didnt find any clue |
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| 11:52.32 | man_in_shack | looks to me like it's an ubuntu thing |
| 11:52.36 | drmarwat | im installing " remastersys_2.0-4_all.deb" and it needs " ubiquity " package as a dependency |
| 11:53.01 | drmarwat | man_in_shack: yes i see ubuntu threads about it |
| 11:53.07 | jetscreamer | ubiquity is ubuntu isn't it |
| 11:53.16 | man_in_shack | drmarwat, you do realise that ubuntu and debian are not the same, right? |
| 11:53.35 | man_in_shack | you (often) can't install ubuntu debs on debian |
| 11:53.47 | man_in_shack | i fact, make that "often" "almost always" |
| 11:53.57 | drmarwat | i know, but im looking for ubiquity etch package |
| 11:53.59 | man_in_shack | remastersys is also an ubuntu thing |
| 11:54.48 | man_in_shack | drmarwat, somehow you've got your hands on an ubuntu deb and are trying to install it in etch. won't work |
| 11:54.52 | dustybin | looks like i will have to do it this way: |
| 11:54.54 | dustybin | http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/10/27/how-to-install-nvidia-video-card-drivers-in-debian-lenny/ |
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| 11:54.59 | drmarwat | i tried mklivecd and it was asking for a missing dependency which was not there in repo |
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| 11:57.08 | man_in_shack | dustybin, the link they have there is an old version of the driver |
| 11:57.23 | man_in_shack | in any case, that shouldn't be any different to the m-a method |
| 11:57.41 | man_in_shack | dustybin, maybe you need to upgrade linux-headers or something? |
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| 11:59.30 | dustybin | man_in_shack: am i right in thinking, that if you use debian lenny testing, you have to use a proprietry driver from the nvidia website? |
| 11:59.45 | man_in_shack | i'd be really surprised if that was the case |
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| 12:00.20 | dustybin | man_in_shack: nvidia-kernel-2.6.22 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 2.6.22 |
| 12:00.26 | dustybin | thats as high as it goes at the moment |
| 12:00.41 | man_in_shack | yes, so you use nvidia-kernel-source |
| 12:00.47 | dustybin | imrunning 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 12:00.47 | man_in_shack | which is what m-a does |
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| 12:01.02 | dustybin | man_in_shack: i get errors doing that |
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| 12:01.26 | man_in_shack | yes, which is why i suggested upgrading linux-headers or whatever it's called |
| 12:01.43 | jetscreamer | usually testing is the most fucked up debian nvidia package |
| 12:01.59 | jetscreamer | sid & etch have a tendency to work more |
| 12:02.18 | man_in_shack | maybe check bts |
| 12:02.20 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt for the nvidia instller |
| 12:02.31 | jetscreamer | usually the package you need isn't in sources in testing |
| 12:02.33 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 12:02.52 | man_in_shack | i'm still trying to work out if there's a way to enter unicode codepoints in xterm |
| 12:03.40 | jetscreamer | i think i've seen a start menu thingy to start up an xterm-unicode (or so) but i forget... there was also xterm |
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| 12:04.12 | man_in_shack | jetscreamer, there's a script called uxterm which set it up for utf-8 display, but i want to be able to type from the keyboard |
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| 12:05.02 | jetscreamer | i can't even set the font size when i start xterm, so i'm not much use |
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| 12:06.05 | dustybin | update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/nvidia-kernel missing LSB style header |
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| 12:09.35 | dustybin | grrrrr from one problem to the next, all i wanted to do is disable USB autosuspend :( |
| 12:09.44 | dustybin | now its introduced other problems :( |
| 12:10.00 | dustybin | swears |
| 12:10.29 | epsilon | that's why it's called testing *shrugs* |
| 12:10.55 | dustybin | i give up |
| 12:10.57 | dustybin | server:/usr/src# grep CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 12:10.57 | dustybin | CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=y |
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| 12:12.15 | dustybin | ill have to down grade back into etch :( |
| 12:13.12 | cusco | hi.... |
| 12:13.25 | cusco | I have a script that calls ddclient |
| 12:13.34 | dustybin | lirc doesnt work if i do a custom kernel in etch, the nvidia driver doesnt work in lenny, arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 12:13.35 | cusco | it runs fine except when from crontab |
| 12:13.54 | cusco | I made a script that calls that script and echoes date into a file - so I see crontab is running |
| 12:14.01 | cusco | but ddclient does not update |
| 12:14.17 | cusco | dustybin: im using lenny with the nvidia driver |
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| 12:14.24 | dustybin | cusco: what kernel? |
| 12:14.29 | cusco | 2.6.24 |
| 12:14.34 | cusco | latest lenny kernel |
| 12:14.37 | dustybin | cusco: how the hell did you get it working? |
| 12:14.47 | cusco | download the .run from nvidia website |
| 12:14.55 | dustybin | aye i see |
| 12:14.57 | cusco | and run it |
| 12:15.05 | dustybin | cusco: thats NOT the debian way :P |
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| 12:15.24 | cusco | well.. I don feel the need of module assistant |
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| 12:15.39 | dustybin | cusco: it doesnt work anyway! |
| 12:15.51 | cusco | now... the command that I use to call ddclient is exactly the same that is on the crontab |
| 12:15.59 | tourist-tam | hi trying to instal beryl on a Etch following this totu: http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-beryl-in-debian-etch.html |
| 12:15.59 | tourist-tam | but I cant seems to be able to retrive the Key following this cmd: |
| 12:15.59 | tourist-tam | #wget -O - http://debian.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg | sudo apt-key add - |
| 12:16.01 | cusco | dustybin: what do you mean it doesnt work |
| 12:16.27 | man_in_shack | m-a works fine for me |
| 12:16.31 | dustybin | cusco: i couldnt get the debian way to do it |
| 12:16.36 | man_in_shack | in fact, a while ago the nvidia .run files broke |
| 12:16.42 | cusco | dustybin: I dunno |
| 12:17.11 | cusco | man_in_shack: I have been running all their latest releases since 04 and it runs fine |
| 12:17.18 | dustybin | man_in_shack: what version kernel ? |
| 12:17.28 | man_in_shack | dustybin, various |
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| 12:17.38 | man_in_shack | the problem was never kernel version, it was something else |
| 12:17.40 | ma3x | i did something with the fonts |
| 12:17.44 | ma3x | and now my firefox is crashing |
| 12:17.45 | ma3x | help |
| 12:17.50 | man_in_shack | mind you, i'm on unstable, not testing :) |
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| 12:17.58 | cusco | ma3x: you mean iceweasel |
| 12:18.04 | ma3x | yes |
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| 12:18.23 | cusco | ma3x: run iceweasel from command line and see the error it prints in the console when it crashes |
| 12:19.14 | ma3x | (gecko:6675): Pango-WARNING **: failed to create cairo scaled font, expect ugly output. the offending font is 'Arial 11.9990234375' |
| 12:19.14 | ma3x | /usr/lib/bug-buddy/gecko: No such file or directory. |
| 12:20.13 | dustybin | i have not package called nvidia source in the testing repos |
| 12:20.15 | dustybin | no |
| 12:20.36 | cusco | what font package did you install ma3x ? |
| 12:20.41 | dustybin | and to install the nvidia driver via m-a auto-install nvidia it requires that source package |
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| 12:21.18 | ma3x | cusco: I did a guide that streuner pasted earlier ( i copied ms fonts from windows to /usr/local/fonts/ttf and then added something to /etc/somefile.conf ..) |
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| 12:21.33 | man_in_shack | dustybin, "nvidia-kernel-source" is the package you're looking for |
| 12:21.45 | ma3x | /etc/fonts/local.conf |
| 12:21.57 | dustybin | apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-source |
| 12:22.11 | dustybin | no results |
| 12:22.41 | dustybin | deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 12:22.52 | dustybin | deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free |
| 12:23.05 | dustybin | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
| 12:23.13 | dustybin | deb-src http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
| 12:23.20 | dustybin | how do you explain that? o_0 |
| 12:24.13 | cusco | dustybin: just download the .run |
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| 12:24.24 | dustybin | cusco: aye ok |
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| 12:24.48 | dustybin | cusco: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/169.12/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run |
| 12:25.12 | cusco | dustybin: that should be it .12 is the latest |
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| 12:25.30 | jetscreamer | i already explained it |
| 12:25.34 | jetscreamer | it's not there |
| 12:25.35 | dustybin | doesnt like cutting edge :( |
| 12:25.43 | jetscreamer | use my link |
| 12:25.44 | jetscreamer | it's ole |
| 12:25.46 | jetscreamer | old :) |
| 12:25.52 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt for the nvidia instller |
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| 12:26.35 | dustybin | i feel like a lame fedora user doing this cutting edge shit |
| 12:26.35 | JmGV | is there any free driver for nvidia ? |
| 12:26.39 | jetscreamer | oh... works everytime and is over quick, did i forget to add that? |
| 12:26.44 | jetscreamer | !nvidia one-liner |
| 12:26.44 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 12:27.57 | ma3x | what's xchat's default font? |
| 12:28.24 | jetscreamer | some alias for a monospace, i think |
| 12:29.02 | metaperl | I'm looking for an alarm program besides kalarm for Debian/etch |
| 12:29.52 | jetscreamer | !info xmms-alarm etch |
| 12:29.58 | dpkg | xmms-alarm: (xmms general plugin for using xmms as an alarm clock), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.3.7-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 86 kB |
| 12:30.13 | jetscreamer | it gets deprecated though |
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| 12:30.18 | metaperl | ok I will try that... but it's not clear how to invoke it |
| 12:30.21 | jetscreamer | aka gone in sid |
| 12:30.25 | metaperl | oh |
| 12:30.27 | metaperl | ok forget it |
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| 12:31.44 | wasynyt | what kernel version should i choose for amd 4000+ x2, i want to use both cores and all of my 2 gb mem. the default kernel does not detect both cores and it only detects half of the memory |
| 12:31.45 | jetscreamer | it was easy to get going though |
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| 12:31.54 | jetscreamer | amd64 |
| 12:32.00 | jetscreamer | wasynyt: ^^ |
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| 12:32.11 | wasynyt | will that force me to use 64 bit software |
| 12:32.16 | jetscreamer | no |
| 12:32.20 | cahoot | i686? |
| 12:32.20 | wasynyt | ok |
| 12:32.27 | jetscreamer | you can run a 64 bit kernel and 32bit userland |
| 12:32.40 | wasynyt | good |
| 12:33.07 | SlimeyPete | I've *accidentally* run a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit software before ;) |
| 12:33.21 | SlimeyPete | it actually worked pretty well, considering it wasn't intended |
| 12:33.26 | wasynyt | heh |
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| 12:33.37 | s-andy | hi! is there any way to detect clients which did not use DHCP to get their IP address (that is configured it manually)? I'm using DHCP3... |
| 12:34.26 | Dewi | s-andy: they aren't really clients of anything if they didn't use DHCP |
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| 12:34.45 | Dewi | s-andy: unless you want to log all the traffic forwarding through the gateway or run regular nmap scans |
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| 12:35.06 | Dewi | s-andy: or watch for traffic in promiscuous mode |
| 12:35.07 | s-andy | Dewi: their records are present in arp table at least.. |
| 12:35.39 | Dewi | s-andy: hmm, if they communicated with you and you replied then yes |
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| 12:36.06 | Dewi | s-andy: maybe list your arp table contents and your dhcp clients list and, well, diff them... |
| 12:36.13 | s-andy | Dewi: I mean on the gateway... I use arpwatch to detect wrong configurations... but I would like to detect also non-dhcp configurations |
| 12:36.30 | s-andy | Dewi: the problem is that I use static leases... |
| 12:36.57 | s-andy | Dewi: and I found not way to get which clients requested such leases :( |
| 12:37.12 | Dewi | s-andy: I'm just pointing out that if two hosts on the network communicate between each other, the gateway probably won't notice unless it's running promiscuous and you check for it |
| 12:37.27 | Dewi | (within the local network I mean) |
| 12:38.05 | Dewi | arp gets populated only when you are sending a datagram there |
| 12:38.23 | Dewi | (I believe) |
| 12:39.00 | s-andy | Dewi: I know... but I don't care actually :) I need to know the configuration type of the clients which communicate with the gateway only |
| 12:39.01 | Dewi | s-andy: if you're using static leases you should know what the arp contents will be |
| 12:39.09 | Dewi | s-andy: as in MAC,IP pairs |
| 12:39.28 | Dewi | s-andy: so any local ARP entry you are not expecting is somebody incorrectly configured |
| 12:39.34 | s-andy | Dewi: yes, but I want to know how did they get their IP - through DHCP or manually |
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| 12:39.54 | Dewi | s-andy: oh. I don't know enough about dhcpd |
| 12:40.32 | Dewi | s-andy: I'd probably check the logs and write a perl script to parse them... not that I'm recommending that approach, it's sort of messy |
| 12:40.40 | s-andy | Dewi: if client configured its network manually and did it correct - I woild not see the difference in arp and in hosts declarations :( |
| 12:40.53 | s-andy | Dewi: yeah |
| 12:41.33 | s-andy | Dewi: some kind of dhcpwatch would help... but don't know if such exists |
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| 12:44.45 | maxxu | hey, I'd like to upgrade to lenny, will that break my system? |
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| 12:46.44 | Dewi | maxxu: the upgrade itself should be okay (from etch) |
| 12:46.53 | Dewi | maxxu: but obviously testing itself isn't always non-broken |
| 12:47.04 | Dewi | testing/lenny |
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| 12:47.37 | Dewi | rarely had major problems with testing back in the day, but I just stick with stable nowadays |
| 12:48.35 | maxxu | for some reason in stable(etch) I can't find ruby 1.8.6 in the apt repositories |
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| 12:48.46 | maxxu | not in stable, nor in backports |
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| 12:49.40 | maxxu | plus I don't want to install a mix of a bunch of packages |
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| 12:51.28 | maxxu | well alrighty then :) |
| 12:51.41 | maxxu | just downloaded from the svn, like I should have :D |
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| 12:52.58 | ma3x | I've copied over 500+ fonts from windows to debian. Why can't I select them in gnome? |
| 12:53.01 | ma3x | what have i done wrong? |
| 12:53.10 | Bac9 | can anyone recommend a package that will do (push) incremental backups (with unchanged files stored as hardlinks to previous day) to a server? I've been using faubackup, but the delta comparison is done server side, so it pushes the entire filesystem to server (a long time over network), I was thinking maybe rsync but can't find a client that would push to an rsync server... any other recommendations are welcome |
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| 12:55.28 | ghis | I can't connect to my svnserve remotly (connection timed out)... localy it works fine. And i got no firewall. Any ideas what could be the problem? |
| 12:56.01 | ghis | it's listed @ netstat -tap |
| 12:56.54 | ghis | i started it like this: svnserve -d -r /home/svn-repos/ |
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| 13:01.13 | asg | Bac9: look at Bacula or backuppc |
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| 13:01.27 | ghis | everyone is asleep? |
| 13:01.47 | Bac9 | asg: backuppc is a pull architecture... I need push |
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| 13:02.57 | asg | Bac9: dump over ssh |
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| 13:03.28 | Bac9 | asg: that's the problem, it's the network transfer that's taking 2 hours every day |
| 13:03.51 | Bac9 | asg: that's why I want to move away from faubackup and to something that only transfers diffs to the server |
| 13:03.52 | asg | Bac9: yes, you initiate the backup from the local system to the remote host. dump can do incremental backups. |
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| 13:04.04 | frepe | How do I check the license of an installed .deb package? |
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| 13:04.33 | asg | frepe: it should be in /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
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| 13:05.40 | frepe | asg: Reason I'm asking is because dh_make wants me to provide a license with -c and it can be only gpl, lgpl artistic or bsd. My app is neither of those. |
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| 13:05.53 | frepe | asg: So what do I put there? "proprietary"? |
| 13:06.21 | asg | frepe: I'd check the Developer's Reference and Debian Policy docs at www.debian.org |
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| 13:07.16 | frepe | asg: But if the packager puts something with -c when creating the package, there must be some way to see what he put when I've installed his package, right? |
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| 13:07.56 | asg | frepe: you could download the package source and see I suppose; it will be in the debian/rules file. |
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| 13:08.50 | frepe | asg: Well, since the package I want to look into consists of proprietary software (Acrobat Reader), there is no source package... |
| 13:09.47 | Bac9 | asg: oh, is "dump" a package? does it store backup history (i.e. directories for previous backup days)? |
| 13:09.48 | Bac9 | asg: oh, dump doesn't back up to a human-readable/traversable format, i.e. I can't just look in the backup directory and do a straight copy/recover of files |
| 13:09.53 | Bac9 | asg: so that's not good |
| 13:09.53 | asg | frepe: then I'd see the Developer's Reference and Debian policy docs. I really don't know in that case. |
| 13:10.12 | frepe | asg: Ok, thanks. |
| 13:10.16 | asg | Bac9: but the 'restore' command will allow you to review the backup, select files, and restore them. |
| 13:10.41 | azeem | frepe: then don't pass -c |
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| 13:10.57 | frepe | azeem: He, is it as easy as that? |
| 13:11.00 | azeem | frepe: there's no automatic way of checking licenses |
| 13:11.10 | Bac9 | asg: I'd prefer a directory I can traverse on the server that has all the backups, that way I can make it available over nfs |
| 13:11.16 | frepe | azeem: Then what good does -c do? |
| 13:11.19 | azeem | /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/copyright isn't standardized, though there are efforts to do so |
| 13:11.42 | frepe | azeem: But what use is -c if there is no way to check what the packager put there? |
| 13:11.42 | azeem | frepe: it adds the usual stuff to debian/copyright for usual licenses |
| 13:11.50 | azeem | if you have an unusual license, you'll have to do it yourself |
| 13:11.50 | frepe | azeem: Aha, ok. Thank you. |
| 13:11.53 | asg | Bac9: you could do that. If you don't want dump/restore, use tar and ssh (tar can do incrementals also) |
| 13:11.57 | azeem | you need to go over it anyway, and fill out the blanks |
| 13:12.33 | asg | Bac9: another option is sshfs and rsync, sshfs and tar, etc., etc. |
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| 13:15.01 | Bac9 | asg: I don't want to give root ssh access on the server, so ssh is ruled out, as for rsync, it doesn't store incremental backups i.e. it will not store the last five days worth of backups, it overwrites the previous version |
| 13:15.56 | asg | Bac9: why would you need to give root ssh access? Since you are doing a push from one to the other, the account on 'other' can be any user account. |
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| 13:16.45 | Bac9 | asg: because it'll not preserve ownership |
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| 13:18.46 | asg | Bac9: then you'll have to use tar or dump or keep using your current solution. |
| 13:19.12 | Bac9 | asg: I was hoping there was something better that I have not found yet |
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| 13:19.35 | asg | Bac9: there may be but I'm not aware of anything. Maybe someone else does. |
| 13:19.54 | Bac9 | asg: thank you for trying anyway |
| 13:19.55 | Absolute0 | Can gmrun or fluxbox run shell scripts? |
| 13:20.07 | Absolute0 | I have a script that loads a gui app |
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| 13:20.12 | Absolute0 | such as the firefox one |
| 13:20.13 | asg | Bac9: you're welcome |
| 13:20.18 | Absolute0 | and it doesn't seem to be working |
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| 13:21.57 | Penix | Absolute0: your window manager has nothing to do with that |
| 13:22.13 | Absolute0 | I meant fluxbox's menu runner. |
| 13:22.29 | Penix | still has nothing to do with it failing to run |
| 13:22.33 | Penix | check if it's executable |
| 13:22.57 | Absolute0 | ie: [exec] (IDEA) {/home/backup/idea-7757/bin/idea.sh} |
| 13:23.05 | Absolute0 | Penix: it runs in a terminal |
| 13:23.11 | Absolute0 | just not gmrun or fluxbox |
| 13:23.28 | Absolute0 | i tried doing urxvt -e, bash -c,exec and none worked |
| 13:23.37 | Absolute0 | the script is executable. |
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| 13:24.03 | Absolute0 | Penix: here it is: http://rafb.net/p/cSbLVJ42.html |
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| 13:24.55 | Absolute0 | exec $IDEA.... ? :) |
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| 13:25.22 | Penix | so, what happens when you tell a terminal to run the script? |
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| 13:25.31 | Absolute0 | it runs. |
| 13:26.04 | Penix | is it intended to run in a console, or just launch something and disappear? |
| 13:26.34 | Absolute0 | it's sort of like the firefox launcher script |
| 13:26.38 | hamid | Hello, Is there gcc-4.3 in this built of debian lenny ? |
| 13:26.43 | Absolute0 | It launches a GUI IDE |
| 13:26.53 | Penix | !info gcc-4.3 lennny |
| 13:26.55 | Penix | !info gcc-4.3 lenny |
| 13:27.00 | dpkg | gcc-4.3: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4.3.0-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 2648 kB, Installed size: 4404 kB |
| 13:27.14 | Penix | hamid: ^^ |
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| 13:28.44 | hamid | Penix: tnx , im sorry for dont Rtfm :) very tnx . |
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| 13:41.35 | wasyny1 | what is the recomended way to install nvidia propietary drivers on debian lenny, the kernel is amd64 but everything else is i386 |
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| 13:45.07 | keropok | everybodi is sleeeping here |
| 13:45.57 | wasyny1 | :( |
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| 13:50.36 | ecraven | greetings |
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| 13:51.17 | ecraven | i have debian sid x86_64 on a laptop with sata cdrom and hard disk. however, my cdrom is identified as ide, how can i force the kernel to use the scsi driver? |
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| 13:53.09 | triplc | hi all |
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| 13:54.54 | triplc | in order to "reinstall everything" of apache2, i run "apt-get --purge remove apache2" then "rm -rf /etc/apache2", then "apt-get install apache2". it's the problem!! now i have /etc/apache2 virtually empty (only one directory mods-available). please tell me how to **truely** reinstall that package |
| 13:55.30 | triplc | connect irc.debian.org |
| 13:56.15 | stew | triplc: the configs are owned by the apache2.2-config package not the apache2 package |
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| 13:56.52 | triplc | thanks stew, so i need to dpkg-reconfigure apache2-config, right? |
| 13:56.52 | dpkg | triplc: no worries |
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| 13:58.03 | stew | triplc: no, /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 13:58.29 | triplc | hm... i search "aptitude search apache2" but do not see apache2-config nor apache2.2-config (i am using debian etch) |
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| 13:58.49 | stew | triplc: oh, sorry i meant -common not -config |
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| 14:01.36 | wasynyt | i am using debian lenny, it is otherwise 32 except kernel, which is amd64. what is the recomended way to install nvidia propietary driver |
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| 14:02.08 | asg | wasynyt: if nobody in here knows, #debian-amd64 should |
| 14:02.23 | wasynyt | ok, i will try there too |
| 14:02.30 | ecraven | why are you running a 32bit system with a 64bit kernel? |
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| 14:04.09 | wasynyt | hmm.. i dont need to, but it seems that the amd64 is the only kernel that detects my system correctly, 2 gb mem and amd 4000+ x2 processor. the default kernel only detected 1 gb and 1 core |
| 14:04.11 | ecraven | is there a way to tell the kernel it must never load a certain module? |
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| 14:04.29 | asg | ecraven: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 14:08.26 | vinboy | where does debian keep all the apt-get deb files? |
| 14:08.44 | stew | vinboy: /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 14:09.21 | vinboy | thanks |
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| 14:11.33 | keropok | why debian apt-get install firefox got iceweasel? how if i want instal lfirefox not iceweasel? |
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| 14:11.49 | tuliohm | iceweasel is the firefox |
| 14:11.57 | tuliohm | is the version for debian |
| 14:11.58 | asg | keropok: it's the same, just with the removal of some non-free bits |
| 14:12.12 | asg | keropok: /msg dpkg iceweasel (for more info) |
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| 14:13.35 | keropok | what diff firefox<=iceweasel |
| 14:13.49 | asg | keropok: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 14:14.05 | keropok | addnoflood dpkg |
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| 14:15.25 | drcode | hi all |
| 14:15.30 | drcode | after I use cfdisk /dev/hdb |
| 14:15.34 | drcode | what I need to do next? |
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| 14:15.49 | drcode | so I can mount ext3 filesystem? |
| 14:15.50 | asg | drcode: create filesystems on the partitions you defined |
| 14:15.51 | keropok | ic trademark issue |
| 14:15.59 | drcode | asg:how? |
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| 14:16.17 | asg | drcode: mke2fs -j /dev/hdbX (where X is the partition number) |
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| 14:16.23 | drcode | k |
| 14:16.25 | drcode | thanx |
| 14:16.35 | Akuw | hi |
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| 14:16.37 | HardDisk_WP | hey all |
| 14:16.49 | HardDisk_WP | can someone please help me with setting up routing stuff? |
| 14:16.50 | asg | keropok: if you want firefox, you can always just download mozilla's binaries and stick 'em in /usr/local |
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| 14:17.05 | HardDisk_WP | We have a DSL router here, which works perfectly |
| 14:17.11 | Akuw | i am using mencoder , but i want to convert AVI to MPEG and reduce the size |
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| 14:17.34 | HardDisk_WP | now we got some SonicWALL TZ150, and I want to integrate it in our networking environment |
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| 14:18.00 | HardDisk_WP | but the SonicWALL doesnt support acting as a hub, and forces me to mess with routing and that kinda stuff |
| 14:18.33 | asg | HardDisk_WP: you might ask ##networking |
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| 14:18.43 | HardDisk_WP | what do I have to do that computers connected to the SonicWALL can connect to computers at the standard router and vice versa?? |
| 14:18.50 | HardDisk_WP | keropok, none, only the name and logo |
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| 14:19.49 | rm | well fuck me, computer crashed after exiting x, on reboot /home, being JFS, was suddenly devoid of all its files. |
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| 14:20.24 | jelly-home | rm: otoh that result goes well with your nick! |
| 14:20.35 | rm | hah. |
| 14:21.03 | rm | lost+found seems to have some of my files, with different filenames |
| 14:21.14 | keropok | asg, tq |
| 14:22.24 | keropok | HardDisk_WP nvm, as iceweasel can share firefox addons |
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| 14:23.09 | HardDisk_WP | okay thanks |
| 14:24.02 | vinboy | hi |
| 14:24.07 | vinboy | when I run glxgear i get "Error: glXCreateContext failed" |
| 14:24.55 | rm | seems everythings in lost+found, albeit file/dir names are different. still not very pleased with JFS. XFS and reiserfs through many crashes without issue and i thought *they* were the bad ones :| |
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| 14:25.16 | rm | s/XFS/used XFS |
| 14:26.06 | keropok | where i can find xserver-xorg-video-geode for etch, suggest me pls. |
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| 14:26.36 | ma3x | i coped windows fonts to /usr/local/fonts/ttf and added the entry to xorg.conf. how can i choose one of those fonts for gnome? |
| 14:26.37 | Stiopa | hello |
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| 14:28.42 | cahoot | by gnome's font tool? |
| 14:29.24 | jelly-home | using |
| 14:29.34 | jluque | hi exist any way to enable copiz fusion in xfce4 |
| 14:30.21 | jelly-home | jluque: does running something like "compiz --replace" manually work? |
| 14:31.58 | jluque | ok i try |
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| 14:32.57 | Stiopa | I have an out of date question. Where can I find woody apt repos, or how to enable them in sources.list (woody is no longer considered as stable)? I am not sure how to ask dpkg, the bot, for that (if it is possible) |
| 14:33.10 | danand | nah ... you can change it by editing the relevant files in /etc and changing the name of the dir under /home |
| 14:33.20 | danand | oops |
| 14:33.46 | jelly-home | !tell Stiopa about ado |
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| 14:35.08 | _ZeuZ_ | !ado |
| 14:35.08 | dpkg | Find old Debian releases at http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 14:35.19 | ma3x | does anybody use evolution? why is the send/receive button grey? how do you receive messages? |
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| 14:36.27 | nkuttler | ma3x: i guess you need to create an account first... |
| 14:37.06 | ma3x | nkuttler: what kind of account? i've already added my yahoo account |
| 14:38.22 | nkuttler | ma3x: no idea. mutt here |
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| 14:38.41 | ma3x | nkuttler: don't you want to see some graphics? mutt is dos-alin |
| 14:38.43 | ma3x | *alike |
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| 14:39.08 | Stiopa | jelly, thanks, I guess its working :-) |
| 14:39.36 | ma3x | ah damn nkuttler it was "offline" |
| 14:39.37 | nkuttler | ma3x: nah, i just want a gui for my web browser |
| 14:40.06 | ma3x | nkuttler: i've copied fonts from windows to /usr/local/fonts. why can't i select them in gnome? |
| 14:40.08 | ma3x | what should i do? |
| 14:40.13 | ma3x | i've actually copied over 1000 fonts |
| 14:40.19 | jelly-home | Stiopa: now log out, and hope that the session manager will start your new window manager when you log back in |
| 14:40.20 | ma3x | and almost none of them is available |
| 14:40.35 | nkuttler | ma3x: /msg dpkg fonts |
| 14:41.04 | Stiopa | jelly-home, , I do not guess any more, it really does, err I just did a console based clean install |
| 14:41.18 | ma3x | nkuttler: do you use gnome? |
| 14:41.55 | nkuttler | ma3x: no |
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| 14:42.20 | nkuttler | hopes gnome uses x fonts |
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| 14:42.46 | jelly-home | nkuttler: what are "x fonts"? |
| 14:43.34 | ma3x | jelly sexually aroused fonts :p |
| 14:43.36 | ma3x | kidding |
| 14:44.01 | Maliuta | ma3x: that's xxx fonts |
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| 14:44.45 | jelly-home | nkuttler: if you mean the bitmap-only ones provided via xfs (or builtin font server), then most probably the answer is no |
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| 14:45.57 | muddd | ls |
| 14:46.00 | muddd | oops heh heh |
| 14:46.15 | stiopa_ | jelly-home: yummie! errr apttie! |
| 14:46.28 | stiopa_ | means that he is happy :-) |
| 14:46.38 | ma3x | how do you disable the auto lock screen on lid close in gnome |
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| 14:47.33 | urv | ma3x: maybe in /etc/acpi/events |
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| 14:48.09 | cahoot | must exist some clickety thing in a menu somewhere |
| 14:48.13 | ma3x | urv there is only power button there |
| 14:49.05 | muddd | I've never run across this before, but I have two directories i can't remove... they show up with ls but I can't rm -rf them... says no such file or directory, but they are there |
| 14:49.13 | Maliuta | banishes all click monkeys from the*nix world |
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| 14:49.37 | Maliuta | muddd: no oddities fs wise? |
| 14:49.49 | HackTheReality | q |
| 14:49.53 | Maliuta | muddd: and can the superuser do it? |
| 14:49.57 | muddd | not that i know of, these were two torrent downloads... |
| 14:50.08 | urv | muddd: you're sure the shell doesn't missunderstand the filenames? |
| 14:50.17 | muddd | i couldn't sudo rm them, lemme just try as su |
| 14:50.31 | Maliuta | if sudo won't the su won't |
| 14:50.31 | jelly-home | !quotes |
| 14:50.38 | urv | muddd: try with inclosing them in "" |
| 14:50.56 | muddd | i've tried the single quotes, ' ', will try double now |
| 14:50.58 | asg | muddd: also, verify with 'lsattr /path/to/dir' that they aren't marked immutable |
| 14:51.01 | Maliuta | muddd: check the regex match on them, tr the shortest one that will match |
| 14:51.33 | muddd | AH freakin a, found out why |
| 14:51.34 | muddd | kinda |
| 14:52.20 | muddd | ok got rid of one, lemme see about the other |
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| 14:52.55 | Fokez | http://i29.tinypic.com/10gidzr.jpg |
| 14:53.57 | muddd | weird those were freakin hard to get rid of |
| 14:54.08 | muddd | weird directory names with @@@@ n stuff |
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| 14:55.16 | muddd | btw, i changed all instances of etch to lenny in my sources.list and did a dist-upgrade, can I change it back to etch or do I have to start over |
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| 14:56.23 | Snoopy | hi all =) |
| 14:56.36 | Maliuta | muddd: well you updated all the packages to unstable, there is no easy way to go back |
| 14:56.43 | asg | muddd: downgrades are not supported so starting over will be much cleaner. |
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| 14:57.27 | muddd | heh, i've gone too far, can't turn back now haha |
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| 14:58.35 | Snoopy | got any1 an idea, how i could bring up my onboard nic RTL8111/8168? modules "r8169" is already loaded and assigned to the nic (lspci -v), but ifup -a doesn't bring up the eth0 :( |
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| 14:59.35 | Maliuta | ifup will only bring uyp stuff configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 15:00.22 | Snoopy | it is configured there |
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| 15:00.29 | Snoopy | with mask, ip and so on |
| 15:00.31 | heroxbd | Snoopy: Can you see eth0 if /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:01.01 | heroxbd | Snoopy: With "auto eth0"? |
| 15:01.07 | drmarwat_ | hello |
| 15:01.12 | Snoopy | it is the first nic within lspci -v, so it should take eth0 from there |
| 15:01.17 | Snoopy | yes, auto eth0 |
| 15:01.23 | limpio | hi, what's the command to see what dns or ip address i'm using? |
| 15:01.33 | drmarwat_ | can i make a remaster of my system with bootcd? |
| 15:01.34 | heroxbd | Snoopy: No, not necessary |
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| 15:02.03 | Snoopy | maybe the "auto" doesn't work here? |
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| 15:02.20 | heroxbd | Snoopy: Has it ever worked? |
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| 15:02.43 | Snoopy | well, i got a new system board ;) |
| 15:02.59 | Snoopy | i build a new kernel and so on |
| 15:03.16 | Snoopy | my intel e1000 is up again, but not the rtl-nic |
| 15:03.44 | heroxbd | Snoopy: Can you see eth1 eth2, and so on? |
| 15:03.55 | Snoopy | eth1 is my intel |
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| 15:04.05 | Snoopy | and lo is loopback ^^ |
| 15:04.13 | Maliuta | Snoopy: order in pci has no impact, the module loading order and udev do |
| 15:04.42 | Snoopy | hmm, maybe the realtek nic got another ethX ??? how can i find it out? |
| 15:04.57 | heroxbd | Snoopy: maybe you should have a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
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| 15:05.23 | Snoopy | jesus...let me have a look ^^ |
| 15:05.26 | heroxbd | Snoopy: you can find it out with "ifconfig" |
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| 15:07.02 | Snoopy | aaarg, udev give me info: it will be eth2 XD |
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| 15:07.40 | Snoopy | can i kill my old via-rhine from eth0 there ? |
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| 15:08.46 | Snoopy | and netbase -> readme.debian says: /etc/network/interfaces is deprecated... so where should i set up the config. for my nics? |
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| 15:09.33 | twobitsprite | geforce or ati? |
| 15:09.36 | twobitsprite | ;) |
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| 15:12.25 | Snoopy | oh, my fault: /etc/network/options is deprecated, not interfaces xD |
| 15:13.08 | Snoopy | hmm, so is there a chance to manipulate udev? don't wanna change my firewall rules from eth0 to eth2 ^^ |
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| 15:13.33 | jo-fluff | how can I get closed source drivers for my nvidia card? |
| 15:13.59 | jelly-home | !z25 |
| 15:13.59 | dpkg | i heard z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
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| 15:14.44 | jelly-home | Snoopy: what the bot said |
| 15:15.07 | asg | jo-fluff: /msg dpkg nvidia oneliner |
| 15:15.11 | dustybin | jo-fluff: closed source drivers are rubbish |
| 15:15.14 | Snoopy | omg, a intelligent bot here ^^ |
| 15:15.21 | dustybin | im going to remove them ASAP |
| 15:15.39 | dustybin | jelly-home: is there a way to get the open source nvidia drivers working with debian lenny? |
| 15:15.59 | MoDaX | jo-fluff: from non-free. don't install drivers from nvidia.com or they will screw up your system |
| 15:16.10 | jelly-home | dustybin: I have no opinion on that issue |
| 15:16.16 | dustybin | ? |
| 15:16.49 | jelly-home | dustybin: misfired completion? |
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| 15:17.12 | dustybin | im going to remove the nvidia crap and try again and get it working |
| 15:17.23 | dustybin | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17636559 2008-02-26 15:48 NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run <-- evIL |
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| 15:17.55 | MoDaX | dustybin: it's VERY hard to remove them properly |
| 15:18.12 | MoDaX | dustybin: make sure you reinstall mesa libs etch |
| 15:18.16 | MoDaX | etc.* |
| 15:18.26 | Snoopy | doesn't it still do nvidia-installer --install/--uninstall ??? |
| 15:18.54 | MoDaX | Snoopy: it does, but it leave tails or removes too much stuff |
| 15:18.55 | dustybin | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run --uninstall <--- hopefully this will clear my system |
| 15:19.16 | MoDaX | like libGL.so symlinks etc. |
| 15:19.27 | netcrash | Hello , How can I reinstall the default configuration of a package ? |
| 15:19.38 | dustybin | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=540 |
| 15:19.45 | Snoopy | year, but there is a nvidia.log in /var/log, which gives hints on that |
| 15:19.52 | MoDaX | one user the other day spend over 6 hours till he got X back with drivers from non-free |
| 15:20.02 | Snoopy | omg |
| 15:20.03 | MoDaX | spent* |
| 15:20.18 | asg | netcrash: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 15:20.30 | Snoopy | so, what will be the best way for nvidia driver install? |
| 15:20.52 | MoDaX | Snoopy: non-free |
| 15:21.10 | netcrash | ash thks |
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| 15:21.19 | dustybin | since upgrading to debian lenny ive lost my updatedb command |
| 15:21.30 | Maliuta | Snoopy: roll your own debs |
| 15:21.45 | Maliuta | Snoopy: trust me, it's cleaner |
| 15:21.51 | dustybin | locate.. |
| 15:22.00 | Lagbolt | dustybin, install mlocate |
| 15:22.04 | dustybin | aye thanks |
| 15:22.07 | MoDaX | !find updatedb |
| 15:22.15 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'updatedb' (5 of 6): (/usr/bin/updatedb) in utils/slocate ;; (/usr/sbin/nss_updatedb) in net/nss-updatedb ;; (/usr/bin/updatedb.findutils) in utils/locate ;; (/usr/share/diogenes/scripts/updatedb.php) in web/diogenes ;; (/etc/updatedb.conf, /usr/bin/updatedb.mlocate) in utils/mlocate. |
| 15:22.29 | dustybin | say goodbye to the linux prorietery driver, thats the last time i want to see a driver like this on my system let me tell u... |
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| 15:25.49 | jelly-home | !tell pussy_rangers -about enter |
| 15:26.00 | MoDaX | pussy_rangers: please stop |
| 15:26.16 | dustybin | this shit left over from the nvidia propriotery driver: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2538 |
| 15:26.32 | dustybin | bastards |
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| 15:26.55 | MoDaX | oh, do they override glib? |
| 15:27.03 | dustybin | rm /usr/lib/libglib* <-- i think this is a solution |
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| 15:27.24 | valdyn | dustybin: umm? |
| 15:27.32 | jelly-home | !ops fresh_dumbledore spamming |
| 15:27.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: fresh_dumbledore spamming |
| 15:27.33 | Lagbolt | dustybin, so are you using the open source nvidia project? |
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| 15:27.56 | valdyn | dustybin: glib != nvidia |
| 15:27.57 | dustybin | Lagbolt: no i installed the one from the nvidia website |
| 15:27.58 | dustybin | bad move |
| 15:28.11 | Lagbolt | i know i understand . . . sounds like you are removing it tho |
| 15:28.33 | Lagbolt | what are you going to use if you said good bye to proprietary |
| 15:28.47 | dustybin | shit no wrong files |
| 15:29.01 | dustybin | /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so <--- this needs to be removed |
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| 15:31.04 | dustybin | if i launch this |
| 15:31.06 | dustybin | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common |
| 15:31.16 | dustybin | update-rc.d: warning: /etc/init.d/nvidia-kernel missing LSB style header <-- what does this mean? |
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| 15:32.47 | Snoopy | nice...my gateway is running fine again =) thx so far... |
| 15:32.55 | master_alvaro | how to disable "suspend" and "hibernate" options in gnome/gdm? |
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| 15:34.15 | Snoopy | hmm, may i also play now with nvidia crap ^^ |
| 15:34.24 | jo-fluff | I'm using a gforce2 so I'm supposed to install nvidia-kernel-legacy according to the bot but when I tried that apt-get couldn't find the package am I doing something wrong? |
| 15:34.53 | Lagbolt | Snoopy, nvidia crap? :( |
| 15:34.56 | fresh_dumbledore | is it possible to compile etch for old xbox? |
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| 15:34.59 | Lagbolt | i like my nvidia :) |
| 15:35.12 | Snoopy | the card is ok, the drivers are crap :P |
| 15:35.27 | Lagbolt | Snoopy, they work for me :) nooooooooooo problems ever |
| 15:35.39 | Snoopy | lucky bastard :P |
| 15:35.50 | Lagbolt | how so? you just install them and they work :) |
| 15:35.59 | Lagbolt | nvidia hardware plus nvidis driver = sucess :) |
| 15:36.02 | dustybin | "Make sure /etc/apt/sources.list has a deb-src entry that points to sid." |
| 15:36.23 | Lagbolt | i would stay away from their website and stick to debian way tho |
| 15:36.45 | Snoopy | thought, you ever got the nvidia one? |
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| 15:37.20 | dustybin | http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/111908-compiling-nvidia-driver-testing-lenny.html |
| 15:37.22 | Snoopy | hm, sid means a lot unstable stuff in my testing ^^ |
| 15:37.31 | Lagbolt | i did |
| 15:37.41 | Snoopy | ah, a link ... klick =) |
| 15:37.44 | Lagbolt | they always worked but sometimes they had links in wrong place |
| 15:37.51 | dustybin | everything is on sid :D |
| 15:37.55 | Lagbolt | Snoopy, but why use those when debian so nicely includes them |
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| 15:38.36 | sudobash | hey i am on a PowerPC running Deb how can i port an app to the X tty? |
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| 15:39.06 | amphi | sudobash: eh? |
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| 15:39.13 | sudobash | gparted | tty7 < the just of what i want |
| 15:39.39 | sudobash | i am at a term with a dead X session and I need to send gparted to it |
| 15:39.42 | sudobash | i dont have a menu |
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| 15:39.48 | DexterF | hi |
| 15:40.02 | ma3x | can I listen to the sound on usb headphones in debian? |
| 15:40.04 | \amethyst | sudobash: try DISPLAY=:0 gparted |
| 15:40.19 | DexterF | need a recommendation for a gui mail client that plays nicely with IMAP |
| 15:40.21 | \amethyst | sudobash: or whatever the X display is if it's not :0 |
| 15:40.23 | Lagbolt | whats up DexterF |
| 15:40.31 | sudobash | awesome |
| 15:40.34 | sudobash | it worked |
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| 15:41.44 | Nyle | \amethyst, blah -display :x.x |
| 15:41.47 | Nyle | as well... |
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| 15:42.41 | \amethyst | Nyle: I wasn't sure if gparted took such an argument |
| 15:42.58 | Nyle | 'almost' all apps do |
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| 15:44.29 | \amethyst | Nyle: lots of them require --display instead |
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| 15:45.02 | lunaphyte | when i run aptitude, it says "#Broken: 300 Will free 11.3MB of disk space" at the top and "Unable to resolve dependencies." and says "no more solutions" when it runs. how can i see what it's talking about? |
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| 15:45.29 | sudobash | is there a way i can resize partition from terminal? |
| 15:45.37 | asg | sudobash: parted |
| 15:46.23 | sudobash | well the thing is this PPC / filesystem is full and it wont load X because it cant create a tmpdir maybe I can pull this over to the /home |
| 15:46.25 | Nyle | \amethyst, I am aware |
| 15:46.39 | sudobash | or specify to create tmpfs on /home instead of / |
| 15:46.54 | sudobash | partition was created automatically |
| 15:47.13 | Nyle | sudo yes you can |
| 15:47.20 | sudobash | how can i do that? |
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| 15:47.29 | fullnob | I'm trying to install debinan on a Sparc box and the install CD hangs while trying to find the CD-ROM. the last output is "oding module 'esp' for 'ESP SCSI'..." |
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| 15:47.38 | sudobash | but then i cant add anything to / so it is basiclly locked |
| 15:48.00 | fullnob | any idea what's wrong? |
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| 15:48.12 | sudobash | fullnob try the net cd I got it to work on an old iMac 333 mhz last night |
| 15:48.32 | fullnob | sudobash: no net connection :( |
| 15:48.34 | Nyle | sudobash, obviously you'd have to umount em all |
| 15:48.43 | Nyle | sudobash, best to boot a live cd and go from there |
| 15:48.52 | Nyle | use gparted and resize as you desire |
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| 15:48.58 | sudobash | thats what i was thinking |
| 15:49.10 | sudobash | is there a gparted PPC iso? |
| 15:49.20 | Nyle | ppc |
| 15:49.24 | Nyle | ooh, which machine? |
| 15:49.37 | sudobash | yeah i just need to give / more room |
| 15:49.51 | lunaphyte | almost every single package on my system is complaining that it needs some certain version of libc6 ( apt depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) ) - but /libc6 |
| 15:49.58 | sudobash | iMac 333mhz PPC 750 256MB |
| 15:50.02 | lunaphyte | ahh. crap. |
| 15:50.05 | sudobash | it installed fine |
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| 15:50.32 | sudobash | with net installer but the partitioning screwed up... I was super tired.... |
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| 15:50.44 | lunaphyte | ah, there we go. |
| 15:51.02 | lunaphyte | libc6 was marked for removal in aptitude, for some reason. |
| 15:51.08 | sudobash | gparted pulls up in X... to bad i cant unmount.... haha |
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| 15:52.53 | fullnob | anyone here have expereance installing on a SPARCstation 20 or simalar? |
| 15:53.05 | dustybin | what can i install to get: dkpg-buildpackage |
| 15:53.51 | Nyle | dustybin, !maint-guide |
| 15:53.56 | Nyle | !nmg |
| 15:53.56 | dpkg | nmg is probably Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/, or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 15:54.05 | sudobash | ummm can i force umount and just work in ram for 60 seconds? |
| 15:54.23 | Nyle | iirc 2nd page has a list of all the tools you required in order to build packages |
| 15:54.46 | Nyle | sudobash, can't. |
| 15:54.51 | dustybin | i found it |
| 15:55.01 | sudobash | didnt think so |
| 15:55.44 | Nyle | sudobash, have you also tried hanging out in #debianppc |
| 15:55.53 | Nyle | !ppc |
| 15:55.53 | dpkg | from memory, ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc |
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| 15:56.20 | lunaphyte | i've just finished updating an older machine that had been running testing and not upgraded in quite a while to stable, and i'd like to now switch it back to testing. is it truly just a matter of changing my sources back to testing, and then doing an apt-get update followed by an upgrade/dist-upgrade as appropriate? |
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| 15:56.47 | dustybin | here we go |
| 15:56.47 | Nyle | lunaphyte, give me a line of your sources.list |
| 15:56.50 | dustybin | -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 5117826 2008-04-12 16:55 nvidia-kernel-source_169.12-1_i386.deb |
| 15:57.02 | Nyle | lunaphyte, you have etch from its testing days? and you wish to keep testing? |
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| 15:57.17 | Nyle | lunaphyte, in your sources.list, do not refer to distributions releases by name |
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| 15:57.37 | TCossuto | so, where are the c-header files that match the running kernel? |
| 15:57.39 | Nyle | lunaphyte, instead specify release name, i.e, stable, testing, unstable |
| 15:57.49 | Nyle | lunaphyte, don't use etch, lenny, sid |
| 15:57.57 | jo-fluff | I added the sid src and ran apt-get update but it tells me that it still can't find the package. should I have left the 2.6- 'uname -r in there? |
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| 15:58.12 | lunaphyte | Nyle: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 15:58.16 | Nyle | lunaphyte, I'm sure you can figure out what happens during freezes and upgrades if you chose one or the other |
| 15:58.27 | Nyle | lunaphyte, change etch to testing, update/upgrade |
| 15:58.35 | Nyle | lunaphyte, you will keep testing |
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| 15:58.58 | dustybin | Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.6.24-1-686 (169.12-1+2.6.24-5) .. |
| 15:58.59 | dustybin | :-D |
| 15:59.00 | Nyle | though, package versions are going to be drastically different, so it might break some stuff, it might not |
| 15:59.11 | lunaphyte | nothing special i might need to consider, having come from a old testing install (e.g. back when sarge was testing.)? |
| 15:59.30 | Nyle | I have a powerbook 3400c with sarge/testing |
| 16:01.00 | Nyle | TCossuto, linux-headers |
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| 16:01.16 | Nyle | TCossuto, install the one that matches your kernel |
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| 16:01.58 | Nyle | jo-fluff, adding merely a sid deb-src only gives you access to source packages |
| 16:02.12 | Nyle | jo-fluff, you can obtain them through apt-get source |
| 16:02.45 | Nyle | !wayttd jo-fluff |
| 16:02.45 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jo-fluff? |
| 16:03.02 | dustybin | it worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:03.20 | dustybin | Linux server 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 27 17:45:04 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux <-- running nvidia driver debian way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:03.31 | dustybin | the quality is much better |
| 16:03.43 | simonrvn | !ep |
| 16:03.43 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 16:03.50 | jo-fluff | I'm trying to run ta spring. but that had issues which suggest I try the open source drivers. |
| 16:03.51 | Nyle | dustybin, I believe module-assistant prepare would have accomplished this |
| 16:03.58 | Nyle | b-e, headers, source etc. etc. |
| 16:03.58 | dustybin | simonrvn: sorry im excited! |
| 16:04.12 | dustybin | Nyle: the source package is ONLY in sid |
| 16:04.13 | Nyle | simonrvn, *WAVE* |
| 16:04.25 | simonrvn | don't apologise, just telling you it's kinda annoying |
| 16:04.27 | simonrvn | hi |
| 16:04.37 | Nyle | simonrvn, book of secrets |
| 16:04.40 | Nyle | national treasure |
| 16:04.46 | Nyle | simonrvn, seen it yet? |
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| 16:04.59 | Nyle | simonrvn, native american city of gold man |
| 16:05.03 | simonrvn | no |
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| 16:05.19 | jo-fluff | now it's unable to find the source package. |
| 16:05.20 | dustybin | my mythtv box now has usb autosuspend disabled + the latest kernel + nvidia driver, this will make a excellent PVR |
| 16:05.21 | Nyle | that sounds like bullshit because afaik native american were not architects |
| 16:05.29 | Nyle | they lived in tipis and cities |
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| 16:05.42 | Nyle | could they actually carge a city inside a mountain of gold |
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| 16:05.58 | Nyle | i know its a movie, but its a fucking far fetched presise |
| 16:06.02 | Nyle | premise* |
| 16:06.12 | matthew_ | What's the newer, sarge or etch? |
| 16:06.17 | Nyle | etch |
| 16:06.21 | Nyle | !releases |
| 16:06.21 | dpkg | i heard releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 16:06.27 | simonrvn | ahem... so how do you explain the maya pyramids? ;) |
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| 16:06.45 | Nyle | mayan is diff |
| 16:06.50 | matthew_ | Nyle: thanks.. hopefully, the etch package for r-project will work on kubuntu |
| 16:06.52 | Nyle | they weren't tribal native americans |
| 16:07.02 | Nyle | matthew_, get the fuck outta here man |
| 16:07.09 | Nyle | matthew_, go to #ubuntu |
| 16:07.15 | dustybin | i am invinsible! |
| 16:07.18 | simonrvn | please stop talking of things you do not know |
| 16:07.40 | amphi | the mayans are the lizard people! |
| 16:07.45 | Nyle | simonrvn, why are you being offended |
| 16:07.52 | Nyle | simonrvn, I asked a question, either answer it or don't. |
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| 16:09.14 | matthew_ | Nyle: they don't know anything over there.. I'd be running Debian if it were easier to get working on my laptop |
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| 16:09.22 | Nyle | it is |
| 16:09.26 | Nyle | who told you it isn't? |
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| 16:09.40 | Nyle | debian is only as easy as you want to make it |
| 16:09.50 | simonrvn | Nyle> mayan is diff |
| 16:09.52 | matthew_ | Nyle: nobody.. just too many questions i don't know how to answer on trying to install debian |
| 16:10.00 | simonrvn | Nyle> they weren't tribal native americans |
| 16:10.09 | Nyle | simonrvn, yes... I know what I said |
| 16:10.12 | simonrvn | it's ot anyway |
| 16:10.23 | dustybin | if i do this: cd /sys/bus/usb/devices | cat */*/power/level everything is set to on, this means usb autosuspend has been turned off! :-D |
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| 16:10.46 | myki | Hello. I have a question about loading modules. I want to launch script creating udev node everytime module x loads. What's the proper way to achieve that? |
| 16:10.55 | Nyle | simonrvn, simply because I may not know enough does not automatically mean that I'm saying anything negative |
| 16:10.58 | Nyle | :( |
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| 16:11.13 | peterius | battstat is crashing on me when I add it to the gnome menubar panel, can I get another battery monitory that will still work in panel? anyone have suggetsions? |
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| 16:11.52 | TCossuto | how do I know which header files I should install? linux-headers-2.6.18-4-amd64? I have an amd64 build |
| 16:11.55 | simonrvn | moment please |
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| 16:12.17 | Nyle | sure |
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| 16:16.13 | peterius | anyone know what kinds of things you can add to gnome panel? |
| 16:16.25 | cast | yeah, lots of things |
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| 16:17.34 | Nyle | lol |
| 16:17.40 | jelly-home | there's even wrappers to add even more things |
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| 16:17.51 | Nyle | gnome panel applets and what helly=jome siad |
| 16:17.55 | Nyle | hm |
| 16:17.58 | Nyle | jelly=-home |
| 16:17.59 | Nyle | jelly-home, |
| 16:17.59 | jelly | Please don't repeatedly highlight me. |
| 16:18.05 | jelly-home | heh |
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| 16:18.12 | Nyle | jelly, shut up |
| 16:18.24 | Nyle | and sit back down |
| 16:18.29 | jelly-home | I should probably disable that script |
| 16:19.04 | peterius | cast jelly-home: where do I get these things |
| 16:19.06 | peterius | package manager? |
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| 16:19.24 | Nyle | yes |
| 16:19.32 | peleg | is it possible to download a .deb or .rpm of ffmpeg, instead of using aptitude? |
| 16:19.37 | Nyle | apt-cache search gnome|grep panel |
| 16:19.49 | Nyle | peleg, packages.debian.org |
| 16:19.51 | jelly-home | peterius: indeed. search for applets, or gnome applets |
| 16:19.56 | peleg | Nyle: thanks |
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| 16:20.14 | Nyle | peleg, download libxine1-ffmpeg.deb |
| 16:20.24 | Nyle | w/e version numbers etc. etc. |
| 16:20.26 | peterius | well there's a bunch of x battery applets, but I installed one and couldn't add it to panel, and I don't see any spefifically gnome battery applets |
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| 16:21.52 | peleg | Nyle: why? |
| 16:22.04 | peleg | "http://packages.debian.org/etch/ffmpeg" is not good? |
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| 16:22.13 | jimbalaya | if i wanted to pipe a command's output to FILE1 and its errors to FILE2, would the command be 'COMMAND >FILE1 2> FILE2' ... or is there something 'tricky' i have to do with the two output options? |
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| 16:22.30 | peleg | one more question: how can I know which "architecture" do I have? |
| 16:22.45 | jelly-home | peterius: I bet there's one in the standard gnome-applets package |
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| 16:22.55 | peterius | jelly-home: there is but it crashes, like I said |
| 16:23.03 | bvk | jimbalaya: nothing more is necessary |
| 16:23.16 | peterius | battstat crashes everytime I touch anything on the panel (quit unexpectedly |
| 16:23.39 | jimbalaya | thanks bvk |
| 16:23.47 | bvk | peleg: uname -m should do |
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| 16:26.02 | jelly-home | peterius: hm. you could use gnome-swallow-applet and any of the wmaker compatible dockapps |
| 16:26.50 | peterius | jelly-home: do I have to do something special to get them in the "add to panel" list? |
| 16:26.56 | peterius | or does gnome put them there or what? |
| 16:27.16 | peleg | bvk: thanks |
| 16:28.25 | peleg | bvk: hmm... is it possible that I have i686 ? |
| 16:28.43 | peleg | I don't see it the architecture list in "http://packages.debian.org/etch/ffmpeg" |
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| 16:28.53 | jelly-home | peterius: you add that swallowing applet, and then configure it to run an arbitrary cmmand and eat its window |
| 16:28.54 | \amethyst | peleg: i386 |
| 16:29.05 | peleg | \amethyst: oh, is it the same? |
| 16:29.10 | lunaphyte | do apt-get clean and aptitude clean do the same thing? |
| 16:29.10 | drjackzon | is away |
| 16:29.24 | \amethyst | peleg: i686 isn't a separate architecture in Debian |
| 16:29.24 | bvk | peleg: architecture wise i386 = i586 = i686 (almost) |
| 16:29.28 | peterius | jelly-home oh, I see |
| 16:29.36 | peterius | jelly-home any idea why the normal battstat would quit? |
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| 16:29.52 | peleg | bvk: thanks |
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| 16:29.59 | jelly-home | peterius: I don't use gnome ;-) |
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| 16:31.06 | MrNull | I installed xorg on my way to installing xfce4, but it blanked my screen. What's the keypress to open another login screen (terminal)? |
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| 16:31.31 | DocPlatypus | MrNull: Ctrl+Alt+F{1,2,3,4...12} |
| 16:31.50 | cast | well, not quite ... :P |
| 16:31.54 | MrNull | ugh, still nothing |
| 16:32.00 | MrNull | guess I'll restart |
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| 16:33.28 | peleg | I have installed the package from "http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/ffmpeg/download", and it told me that "a newer version is available" - where can I find it? |
| 16:33.52 | k3t | apt? |
| 16:34.09 | peleg | without using aptitude. |
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| 16:34.20 | peleg | because the version I get from aptitude has bugs.. |
| 16:34.31 | jelly-home | peleg: apt-cache policy ffmpeg |
| 16:34.41 | peleg | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
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| 16:35.40 | TCossuto | what's the leading video player? XMMS for music? |
| 16:36.06 | gangsterlicious | i use pekwm for wm/de |
| 16:36.09 | peleg | jelly-home: what should I see there? |
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| 16:36.15 | gangsterlicious | nods with grte |
| 16:36.24 | gangsterlicious | sorry, wrong window |
| 16:36.29 | bvk | TCossuto: depends :) mplayer or vlc are good choices |
| 16:36.52 | jelly-home | peleg: you should be able to see which versions of the package are available in your configured repositories |
| 16:37.14 | peleg | jelly-home: oh, I see. thanks! |
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| 16:37.55 | leafwiz | Hi, i'm trying to install a etch on a machine with s-ata raid 1. I get error 17 from grub, and i expect it's something with the drive numbering. I'm now trying to mount the mirror, but I can't mount /dev/sda or /dev/md0, or anything else |
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| 16:38.40 | peleg | ok, here I have the same problem with the package from debian's site, as I had with the one from aptitude - libmp3lame is not known. when I build it myself, and "make install", I do have libmp3lame, but I have other problems.. |
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| 16:41.25 | bvk | peleg: which version do u want to install actually? |
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| 16:41.38 | peleg | the latest, from SVN. |
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| 16:42.01 | peleg | when I downloaded by myself from SVN, and configured it properly, the libmp3lame worked. |
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| 16:42.21 | peleg | but: for some reason, dvd-slideshow didn't work any more with my "make install" |
| 16:42.37 | peleg | so I can have one of them at a time, but not together ;-) |
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| 16:43.50 | peleg | it looks like debian's package doesn't have libmp3lame configured, or so; but when I asked here a few days ago, the replies said that it *should* be configured on debian's packages. |
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| 16:44.51 | lunaphyte | Nyle: regarding your comment earlier about not specifying specific releases in your sources - were you saying that if you do that you'll get all kinds of craziness when you update things around the time of freezes or upgrade? |
| 16:44.57 | bvk | peleg: usually if you install package manuall, using make install, it is installed into /usr/local |
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| 16:45.15 | peleg | bvk: I *do* find my installation |
| 16:45.18 | Nyle | lunaphyte, 2+2==? |
| 16:45.21 | peleg | and it works. |
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| 16:45.28 | bvk | peleg: debian package that was not working might have built with different path assumptions. |
| 16:45.29 | Nyle | FOUR! |
| 16:45.34 | Nyle | yes you got it |
| 16:45.47 | lunaphyte | that seems backwards. |
| 16:45.49 | peleg | the problem is that when I install *ffmpeg* by myself, dvd-slideshow can't find ffmpeg from a reason that I can't figure out |
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| 16:45.55 | Nyle | lunaphyte, indeed it is |
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| 16:46.06 | lunaphyte | what am i missing then? |
| 16:46.07 | Nyle | lunaphyte, a bug has been filed a long time ago regarding that too |
| 16:46.16 | Nyle | upon install, debian uses names |
| 16:46.28 | lunaphyte | ok |
| 16:46.36 | Nyle | it has known to cause shit upon freezes, because then, names stay the same, release status chagnes |
| 16:46.43 | Nyle | so people's systems get fucked up on upgrades |
| 16:46.47 | jelly-home | peleg: tried using dmm packages for ffmpeg and friends? |
| 16:46.51 | bvk | peleg: um... :( |
| 16:47.06 | peleg | jelly-home: what is "dmm" packages? |
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| 16:47.10 | jelly-home | !dmm |
| 16:47.10 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 16:47.42 | peleg | jelly-home: so you suggest that they may have other packages there? |
| 16:47.50 | jelly-home | peleg: builds that have all sorts of patent-encumbered stuff enabled |
| 16:48.37 | lunaphyte | that's the part that i'm not getting. if i specify etch, for example, wouldn't i then not be affected when lenny becomes table and testing goes crazy? |
| 16:48.38 | peleg | jelly-home: I didn't know lame is patented. but ok - thanks. should I d/l from their site, or should I add them as a repository in my computer? (which I prefer not to) |
| 16:49.11 | \amethyst | peleg: you'd need to add the repository, or download all the dependencies yourself too |
| 16:49.51 | peleg | \amethyst: ok, thanks - how will aptitude know, then, which repository to choose from when I say "install ffmpeg"? |
| 16:50.21 | jelly-home | peleg: I find that repository to be well managed and have had it in sources.list for a couple years now. ymmv. |
| 16:50.23 | DocPlatypus | peleg: it'll find where ffmpeg is and use that one |
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| 16:50.46 | toki | is it normal in iostat to get max 10MB/s with 100% utilization on sata? |
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| 16:50.48 | \amethyst | peleg: if you don't specify it will usually use the one from dmm, because they usually have a higher version number |
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| 16:50.53 | peleg | DocPlatypus: but ffmpeg is in both repos |
| 16:50.54 | \amethyst | peleg: you can specify that by pinning |
| 16:50.55 | \amethyst | !pin |
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| 16:50.55 | dpkg | it has been said that pin is a small bolt, or also see pinning |
| 16:50.57 | DocPlatypus | lunaphyte: you'll have to change that to lenny manually when that's the new stable if/when you upgrade |
| 16:50.59 | \amethyst | !pinning |
| 16:50.59 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 16:51.04 | \amethyst | hrm |
| 16:51.07 | peleg | \amethyst: oh, thanks! |
| 16:51.24 | DocPlatypus | peleg: usually the version number will be different for whatever's in another repo |
| 16:51.34 | DocPlatypus | for example backports.org stuff has ~bpo in it |
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| 16:53.17 | jimbalaya | I've just added a DVD drive to my PC (debian etch, default everything aside from added custom modules like lirc/ndiswrapper/nvidia), but I can't mount any discs (DVD or CD) - the following output is in dmesg: http://pastebin.org/29244 |
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| 16:53.24 | Soskel | hi |
| 16:53.38 | Soskel | what's a popular sshd written in python? |
| 16:54.08 | DocPlatypus | Soskel: is there one? I didn't know anyone has tried rewriting sshd in python |
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| 16:54.28 | Soskel | http://pussh.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:54.39 | peleg | on "aptitude update" I get " GPG error: http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907" - ? |
| 16:55.01 | jelly-home | Soskel: I wouldn't call it popular |
| 16:55.08 | Soskel | oh :( |
| 16:55.29 | Soskel | what is the default sshd written in? |
| 16:55.30 | Cromag | peleg: see topic, might work. |
| 16:55.40 | jelly-home | Soskel: openssh is popular. It's C. |
| 16:55.47 | peleg | Cromag: thanks |
| 16:55.50 | Cromag | np |
| 16:56.09 | Soskel | jelly-home: ^^ |
| 16:57.01 | lunaphyte | DocPlatypus: right - but if you don't, you won't all of a sudden be getting upgraded, right? |
| 16:57.19 | jelly-home | Soskel: embedded platforms seem to like dropbear (small footprint) |
| 16:57.56 | DocPlatypus | lunaphyte: etch will stay etch. if you just say "stable" you may find yourself getting a surprise upgrade with 5G+ of downloads, yes |
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| 16:58.47 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: what horrible installation would have 5GB packages installed? |
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| 16:59.06 | DocPlatypus | jelly-home: mine :-) |
| 16:59.24 | DocPlatypus | 6.3G in /usr, 5.4G in use |
| 16:59.38 | Number9 | anyone here good with troubleshooting kde? |
| 16:59.56 | jelly-home | DocPlatypus: however, that packages are usually bz2 these days. |
| 17:00.42 | MrNull | doesn't some keypress + backspace kill an x-server? I can't remember |
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| 17:01.39 | \amethyst | MrNull: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 17:01.54 | MrNull | \amethyst: thnx |
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| 17:03.37 | jo-fluff | the instructions on http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/111908-compiling-nvidia-driver-testing-lenny.html say that I am supposed to modify "debian/control.in so nvidia-glx depends on your xserver-xorg-core(lenny) and not >= 2:1.4.(sid)" but how exactly do I do that? |
| 17:03.58 | agnustic | Helo |
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| 17:04.27 | agnustic | Anyone here using Debian as a wiki server |
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| 17:05.16 | hoxu | !anyone |
| 17:05.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 17:07.23 | agnustic | Guess not. |
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| 17:09.14 | hoxu | agnustic, of course not, various wiki packages exist for the sole purpose of being exercises for the package managers |
| 17:09.30 | jelly-home | hoxu: of course! |
| 17:09.42 | jelly-home | !info ikiwiki |
| 17:09.44 | dpkg | ikiwiki: (a wiki compiler), section web, is optional. Version: 2.41 (sid), Packaged size: 803 kB, Installed size: 5352 kB |
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| 17:10.17 | hoxu | !info dokuwiki |
| 17:10.19 | dpkg | dokuwiki: (standards compliant simple to use wiki), section web, is optional. Version: 0.0.20070626b-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1240 kB, Installed size: 10573 kB |
| 17:10.22 | hoxu | !info mediawiki |
| 17:10.26 | dpkg | mediawiki: (website engine for collaborative work), section web, is optional. Version: 1:1.12.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7049 kB, Installed size: 27457 kB |
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| 17:10.36 | correcaminos | hi |
| 17:10.38 | hoxu | !tell agnustic -about search |
| 17:10.42 | agnustic | SImple question. Just asking fellow Debian users if someone uses a wiki on a server. Trying to gather opinions from others as to what might be a good package to look into. |
| 17:10.54 | hoxu | agnustic, tell us about your needs |
| 17:10.58 | agnustic | ty dpkg |
| 17:11.14 | agnustic | :-) |
| 17:11.44 | hoxu | agnustic, like, do you have ability to use a database, how many users, what kind of users, etc... |
| 17:12.24 | correcaminos | somebody know about x2x and Debian... I'm want to use x2x on my debian machines but I can't |
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| 17:12.57 | garotosopa | How can aptitude tell that a package has been automatically installed to satisty a dependency? (the A flag) Where is this info? |
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| 17:13.17 | correcaminos | i add a x2x -host command on Startup Programs |
| 17:13.18 | AlexC_ | hey all, |
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| 17:13.52 | varney | hia ll |
| 17:14.02 | AlexC_ | I having some issues with apt-get, getting loads of dpkg errors =\ http://paste2.org/p/20170 |
| 17:14.22 | varney | has anyone had the problem of a mouse freezing on any linux os? |
| 17:14.45 | varney | i use a Dell Dimension E521 with USB mouse and keyboard |
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| 17:14.59 | varney | because it happens with Debian LiveCD |
| 17:16.19 | varney | also i wanted to ask, is Debian 4.0r3 the latest stable release of Debian? Because I want to try installing a full version to see if i get the mouse 'freeze' problems |
| 17:17.37 | garotosopa | AlexC_, try to aptitude update; then go to aptitude and see if anything if broken (pressing B will move you to broken packages.) then you can install the missing dependencies or remove the broken packages. this might help. |
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| 17:17.48 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, ok, will try |
| 17:21.22 | Jyzygzy- | god fucking damn its so impossible to remember the find syntax |
| 17:22.34 | MrNull | Is there anyway to load the ndiswrapper module on startup? |
| 17:23.00 | simonrvn | put it in /etc/modules ... |
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| 17:23.28 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, I can't find the broken packages |
| 17:24.22 | varney | has anyone had the problem of a mouse freezing on any linux os? |
| 17:24.26 | MrNull | simonrvn: i have no /etc/modules ? |
| 17:24.37 | garotosopa | AlexC_, did you do aptitude update; ? try to install those packages again with aptitude |
| 17:24.42 | simonrvn | so create it |
| 17:24.59 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, ok, I'm a bit of a mess here - I have no idea if the packages are installed or not, it's all gone mad =\ |
| 17:25.07 | Nyle | simonrvn, !!!! |
| 17:25.11 | MrNull | simonrvn: oh, it's a text file. I thought it was a directory |
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| 17:25.17 | Nyle | simonrvn, 3 and a half weeks and sober |
| 17:25.24 | Nyle | simonrvn, today I go to the moon |
| 17:25.41 | simonrvn | nice |
| 17:25.41 | Nyle | simonrvn, c'mon man lets get chinese eyes |
| 17:25.47 | simonrvn | the moon? |
| 17:25.52 | garotosopa | AlexC_, you can check it on aptitude; press / then type the name of the package to find it. if there's an i in front of it then it's installed |
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| 17:26.00 | simonrvn | oh |
| 17:26.04 | Nyle | simonrvn, get so high, go to the moon ;) |
| 17:26.05 | Nyle | there ya go |
| 17:26.07 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 17:26.36 | simonrvn | i gave that up a long time ago |
| 17:26.45 | Nyle | I did too |
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| 17:26.59 | Nyle | but I don't want to be totally a idiot |
| 17:27.01 | Nyle | you know |
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| 17:27.25 | varney | is Debian 4.0r3 the latest stable release of Debian? Because I want to try installing a full version to see if i get the mouse 'freeze' problems |
| 17:27.30 | Nuxis | yea |
| 17:27.33 | Nyle | simonrvn, now once in a blue moon |
| 17:27.49 | Nyle | varney, mouse freeze problem? |
| 17:27.53 | varney | yep |
| 17:27.55 | Nyle | varney, go on.... |
| 17:28.06 | varney | i use a Dell Dimension E521 with USB mouse and keyboard |
| 17:28.29 | varney | the mouse 'freezes' after a couple minutes |
| 17:28.38 | Nuxis | you use a usb hub? |
| 17:28.41 | varney | replugging it doesn't solve, i have to reboot |
| 17:28.47 | varney | no, no hub |
| 17:28.50 | Nuxis | mhh |
| 17:28.57 | Nyle | debian stable? |
| 17:29.03 | Nyle | etch 4.0r3 |
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| 17:29.04 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:29.05 | varney | although i heard using a hub might solve it |
| 17:29.13 | simonrvn | varney: you could have visited www.debian.org to find out... or read the /topic here |
| 17:29.23 | varney | i have tried puppylinux, debian, all live cds |
| 17:29.39 | Nuxis | varney: I would think it can be a problem of a freezing mice, because the usb get's "overpowerd" or something (too many devices on one usb port) |
| 17:29.43 | varney | simonrvn: i think i have visited everywhere by now |
| 17:29.46 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, it has a 'p' next to it, however 'clamav-data' has a 'c' next to it. Does 'c' stand for conflic? |
| 17:29.55 | Nyle | varney, if its just the mouse, and not the keyboard |
| 17:30.00 | Nyle | what does that tell you initially |
| 17:30.00 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:30.06 | Nyle | its not a usb problem. |
| 17:30.08 | varney | get a new mouse? |
| 17:30.10 | Nyle | internally |
| 17:30.13 | Nyle | try a diff usb port. |
| 17:30.17 | varney | i tried |
| 17:30.28 | varney | tried front ports also |
| 17:30.29 | Nyle | try a diff mouse? |
| 17:30.41 | varney | haven't got a different mouse, would have to buy one |
| 17:30.44 | Nyle | have a psu tester? |
| 17:30.50 | Nyle | plug in your psu |
| 17:30.53 | Nuxis | varney: kk |
| 17:30.58 | Nyle | make sure you have 5v into your usb |
| 17:30.59 | garotosopa | AlexC_, c is removed butt config files are still present. just removed in fact. |
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| 17:31.09 | Nyle | if it fluctuates massively you got usb power issues, otherwise not |
| 17:31.09 | AlexC_ | right ok, how can I remove the config files? |
| 17:31.16 | Nyle | also try a live cd, non debian |
| 17:31.28 | simonrvn | AlexC_: n9o |
| 17:31.29 | Nyle | see if the behavious continues |
| 17:31.31 | varney | i did, it happened on puppylinux |
| 17:31.36 | simonrvn | fucking irssi |
| 17:31.41 | AlexC_ | simonrvn, hum? |
| 17:31.41 | Nyle | its a hardware issue then |
| 17:31.42 | Nuxis | simonrvn: :| |
| 17:31.52 | Nyle | varney, happens on windows? or only linux based pc? |
| 17:31.53 | garotosopa | AlexC_, aptitude purge nameofthepackage |
| 17:31.58 | AlexC_ | ok |
| 17:31.59 | varney | only on linux |
| 17:32.07 | ma3x_ | can't open audio device /dev/dsp : device or resource busy - what should i do? i forgot |
| 17:32.12 | simonrvn | it's more the computer than irssi to be frank |
| 17:32.18 | varney | i must get a psu as you say |
| 17:32.21 | Nyle | no |
| 17:32.25 | ma3x_ | hi Nyle |
| 17:32.28 | Nyle | hi |
| 17:32.40 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, argh, even after doing that and attempting to install the packages again gives me the same errors that I originally said =( |
| 17:32.42 | Nyle | psu voltage tester, but its not what I suspected |
| 17:32.44 | Nyle | so nevermind |
| 17:32.47 | varney | oh |
| 17:32.56 | garotosopa | AlexC_, are you installing with aptitude? |
| 17:32.58 | garotosopa | or apt-get? |
| 17:33.08 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, I tried with aptitude this time |
| 17:33.08 | simonrvn | AlexC_: c in dpkg -l output means config files remain |
| 17:33.08 | Nyle | AlexC_, try ##hardware as well |
| 17:33.12 | Nyle | AlexC_, not you |
| 17:33.14 | Nyle | sorry |
| 17:33.17 | varney | i heard it was to do with the way the AMD works with the usbs, because on windows i have an amd driver |
| 17:33.18 | Nyle | varney, ##hardware too |
| 17:33.30 | varney | but none for linux |
| 17:33.50 | varney | k, will try ##hardware |
| 17:33.59 | garotosopa | AlexC_, right. my last try is to aptitude update; then aptitude upgrade; then aptitude install your packages. if it still fails I don't know what to do. is it debian stable? testing? unstable? |
| 17:34.05 | agnustic | well. back to my corner of the internet |
| 17:34.07 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, last time I had this error I was forced to re-install Debian .... not something I wish to do =\ |
| 17:34.09 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, Etch |
| 17:34.11 | Nyle | varney, same thing with diff mouse/diff port? |
| 17:34.24 | varney | Nyle: y |
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| 17:34.32 | varney | but i haven't got a different mouse |
| 17:34.34 | Nyle | varney, it happens on live cds too? |
| 17:34.49 | varney | i have only tried live cds as far as i can remember |
| 17:34.52 | garotosopa | AlexC_, try to upgrade and see if it still fails... you'd better wait for someone more experienced if so. |
| 17:34.53 | Nyle | wireless mouse? |
| 17:34.57 | Nyle | check batteries? |
| 17:35.00 | varney | no, usb wired |
| 17:35.03 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, yep, still fails =( |
| 17:35.10 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, thanks for the help though, appreciate it |
| 17:35.15 | varney | don't worry, i have checked every possible pitfall |
| 17:35.17 | Nyle | varney, walmart, 6$ usb mouse |
| 17:35.46 | garotosopa | AlexC_, the first error is chown: `clamav:adm': invalid user |
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| 17:35.54 | varney | Nyle: somebody said they fixed it by buying a logitech click optical mouse, but i didn't want to do that if there is another solution first |
| 17:36.02 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, which it should created, surely |
| 17:36.18 | garotosopa | AlexC_, it should but did it? |
| 17:36.21 | varney | also, flashing the bios fixed it for someone else, but again i don't wanna do that until a last resort |
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| 17:36.25 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, I'll check |
| 17:36.27 | Nyle | varney, is there anything in the log files after mouse freezes |
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| 17:36.36 | Nyle | its only the mouse right, the system is still functional? |
| 17:36.46 | Nyle | maybe syslog |
| 17:36.57 | varney | Nyle: yes ^ - and i check syslog for this? |
| 17:36.57 | Nyle | or dmesg might have some info regarding that usb thingy |
| 17:36.58 | garotosopa | AlexC_, but I agree that it should have been created by that package or some other that should be installed before it. |
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| 17:37.16 | varney | Nyle: k, i will look into these things |
| 17:37.27 | Nyle | varney, do this |
| 17:37.33 | Nyle | when mouse freezes |
| 17:37.35 | Nyle | go to console |
| 17:37.40 | Nyle | alt+f1 w/e |
| 17:37.49 | garotosopa | AlexC_, can you install clamav-daemon fisrt and clamav-freshclam later? |
| 17:37.51 | Nyle | type apt-get install gpm and see if gpm works |
| 17:37.54 | Nyle | !gpm |
| 17:37.54 | dpkg | i heard gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
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| 17:38.04 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, shall I try that first instead of seeing if it created the user? |
| 17:38.18 | garotosopa | AlexC_, yes. it might be better |
| 17:38.35 | varney | k thanks for your help Nyle! |
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| 17:38.39 | Nyle | ok |
| 17:38.42 | varney | i will try these new things |
| 17:38.51 | garotosopa | AlexC_, and to check if the user has been created you can easily grep username /etc/passwd |
| 17:38.54 | peterius | anyone know where to change the /proc config for battery applets? |
| 17:39.15 | AlexC_ | oh crap |
| 17:39.21 | garotosopa | petemc, /proc/acpi ? |
| 17:39.41 | garotosopa | ergh... peterius /proc/acpi ? |
| 17:40.06 | peterius | garotosopa: no I mean the battery applets crash because, I think they're checking somewhere else |
| 17:40.12 | peterius | like they're not looking in /proc/acpi/battery |
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| 17:40.38 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, no, that brings in the same errors |
| 17:40.55 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, since it also installs the other packages |
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| 17:41.33 | garotosopa | peterius, maybe /sys/class/power_supply |
| 17:41.48 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, the user was not created, I'll try making it first and then install the package |
| 17:41.50 | simonrvn | effing thing was wedged |
| 17:41.51 | peterius | garotosopa: no I mean the config for battery applets |
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| 17:42.14 | garotosopa | AlexC_, ok |
| 17:42.58 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, interesting, new errors now =) |
| 17:43.11 | garotosopa | that might be a progress :P |
| 17:43.16 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, http://paste2.org/p/20174 |
| 17:44.11 | myki | Hello. I have a question about loading modules. I want to launch script creating udev node everytime module x loads. What's the proper way to achieve that? |
| 17:44.21 | garotosopa | AlexC_, try to copy a default settings file from /usr/share/doc/clamav-base/examples/ to /etc/clamav/clamd.conf |
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| 17:44.51 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, ok, and now re-install package? |
| 17:45.11 | ma3x | does anybody know how to make the headphones work when you load snd-usb-audio? |
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| 17:45.49 | garotosopa | AlexC_, yes. |
| 17:45.50 | ma3x | usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio |
| 17:45.54 | ma3x | i listen nothing |
| 17:46.01 | Bladerunner05 | hello with apt-get may I upgrade only mysql for example^ |
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| 17:46.25 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, ok, it told me to run '/etc/clamav/clamd.conf' and also said it is not configured |
| 17:46.34 | gurpreet | which one is the real wireless interface? wifi0 or ath0? my system is showing both of them. |
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| 17:46.59 | fat_lobyte | Hi! I have problems setting up an apt-proxy |
| 17:47.01 | garotosopa | AlexC_, to run it? are you sure? |
| 17:47.40 | fat_lobyte | I want to import my current apt-cache from /var/apt/cache/archives, but it fails with exatly this behaviour: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt-proxy/+bug/4844 |
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| 17:48.12 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, http://paste2.org/p/20175 yes |
| 17:48.24 | fat_lobyte | however, this should have been fixed in version 1.9.36, according to the changelog |
| 17:48.37 | fat_lobyte | am I doing something wrong? |
| 17:49.12 | garotosopa | AlexC_, after that did it report that the package has NOT been installed? |
| 17:49.31 | garotosopa | AlexC_, the installation seems fine but you must configure it and restart it prior to use |
| 17:49.55 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, ok, I tried to run it and it says I need to configure it. Weird, since last time I installed ClamAV on here, I did not need to configure it |
| 17:50.28 | garotosopa | AlexC_, are there other sample files on that example directory? |
| 17:50.37 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, no, just the one that I copied |
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| 17:51.02 | peleg | /joiin #imagemagick |
| 17:51.04 | peleg | oops |
| 17:51.10 | garotosopa | AlexC_, I don't even know what clamav is but if you pastebin it we could check if there's something we can change |
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| 17:51.52 | AlexC_ | garotosopa, ok, hold on. I'm just installing ClamAV on my local computer to try the config file with that |
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| 17:52.09 | wald0 | how i can Hibernate my computer in debian ? (i have patched the kernel with tuxonice) |
| 17:52.38 | Baloo | sudo hibernate |
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| 17:52.51 | garotosopa | hmm I didn't patch the kernel but I can sudo hibernate nicely |
| 17:52.57 | jelly-home | wald0: install hibernate. run "s2disk" as root |
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| 17:53.05 | wald0 | well, i can hibernate the computer, but i don't know how i restore it :/ |
| 17:53.16 | Baloo | Umm, turn it on? |
| 17:53.30 | wald0 | the computer boots normally and enter on the graphical system normally |
| 17:53.46 | jelly-home | wald0: it ought to detect the saved state automagically |
| 17:53.47 | wald0 | i don't need to boot it on a special way ? any boot parameter in grub or something ? |
| 17:53.51 | Baloo | Hmm, reinstall hibernate... |
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| 17:54.25 | mrnull_ | I just got my wireless card working with ndiswrapper. I hate having to 'ifconfig wlan0 up' every time though. Could this be fixed with some sort of xfce wireless monitor? |
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| 17:54.30 | moldy | hi |
| 17:54.38 | wald0 | jelly-home: wich element does that ? the kernel ? the intird scripts ? |
| 17:54.44 | moldy | are there any backports of recent kernels for etch? |
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| 17:54.56 | fat_lobyte | mrnull, this can be fixed with a simple entry in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:55.05 | moldy | i need a recent kernel and would prefer not having to configure one myself |
| 17:55.49 | wald0 | jelly-home: do you use it, do you have needed to patch your kernel with tuxonice ? |
| 17:55.50 | fat_lobyte | mrnull, this is how my entry looks like: auto wlan0 |
| 17:55.50 | fat_lobyte | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 17:55.50 | fat_lobyte | wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 17:55.54 | jelly-home | wald0: initrd scripts. I don't know how tuxonice handles this, you might have to update the initramfs image |
| 17:56.13 | wald0 | that could be the problem.... let me try |
| 17:56.13 | jelly-home | wald0: I'm using uswsusp at the moment, not tuxnice |
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| 17:56.29 | wald0 | jelly-home: any reason of why not tuxonice ? (aparently is better) |
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| 17:57.11 | jelly-home | wald0: something broke after the renamal suspend2 -> tuxonice and I never bothered t fix it O:-) |
| 17:57.19 | mrnull_ | fat_lobyte: cool, I'll try it |
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| 17:58.07 | LaicepS | Hello. |
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| 17:59.30 | jelly-home | wald0: you could try #tux-on-ice |
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| 18:00.48 | wald0 | jelly-home: i don't need to add the "resume=/dev/sda1" parameter to my grub ? |
| 18:01.09 | jelly-home | wald0: afair, you do |
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| 18:01.39 | jstephenson | What does dpkg-reconfigure's '-plow' flag do? |
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| 18:02.13 | avtobiff | Mr Plow? |
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| 18:02.31 | wald0 | jelly-home: resume=swap:/dev/sda1 or resume=/dev/sda1 ? |
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| 18:03.27 | danand | gerro - any errors in the logs? |
| 18:03.28 | jelly-home | wald0: dunno, I haven't seen that swap:/... syntax |
| 18:03.50 | wald0 | jelly-home: btw, do you know where i can found the documentation to set that ? |
| 18:03.52 | \amethyst | jstephenson: it asks all configuration questions that have priority 'low' or higher (that is, all of them) |
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| 18:04.10 | Doug52392 | Hi |
| 18:04.23 | Doug52392 | I'm about to install Debian Linux, but I have a few questions first. |
| 18:05.20 | jstephenson | \amethyst: What's the default, do you know? |
| 18:05.23 | Doug52392 | Which version do I download? |
| 18:05.36 | moldy | Doug52392: etch (stable) |
| 18:05.46 | jelly-home | wald0: read the comments in menu.lst. Basically, you add it to the "# kopt=..." line (do NOT uncomment it), and run update-grub |
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| 18:06.31 | Doug52392 | Should I get the netinstall or regular install? |
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| 18:06.55 | \amethyst | jstephenson: the manpage says that 'low' is the default anyway |
| 18:07.16 | jelly-home | Doug52392: netinst is enough if you have a (fast) internet connection |
| 18:07.17 | jstephenson | \amethyst: Ah, thanks. |
| 18:07.39 | \amethyst | jstephenson: so you should never need to give -plow (even if your debconf default priority is 'high', dpkg-reconfigure still uses 'low' and up by default) |
| 18:07.48 | Doug52392 | I do :) |
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| 18:07.53 | wald0 | jelly-home: http://debian.pastebin.com/d6e5f45b1 |
| 18:07.54 | jstephenson | Aye. |
| 18:08.03 | \amethyst | !<( |
| 18:08.04 | \amethyst | doh |
| 18:08.48 | jelly-home | \amethyst: do you happen to know since when does dpkg-reconfigure default to debconf-priority=low? |
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| 18:09.11 | \amethyst | jelly-home: at least etch, according to the etch version of the manpage |
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| 18:09.23 | Doug52392 | Currently I have a messy partition layout (164Gb Windows Vista, 39Gb free space where I'm going to install Debian, 102Mb GRUB /boot partition, and 19Gb Fedora partition |
| 18:09.48 | simonrvn | that's a huge /boot |
| 18:10.11 | Doug52392 | I want to put Debian into the 39Gb free space, test it out to see if it works, and delete Fedora if it does, and extend Debian's partition to Fedora's old partition |
| 18:10.14 | Doug52392 | but /boot is in the way |
| 18:10.15 | simonrvn | and too much room for vista ;p |
| 18:10.27 | Doug52392 | lol yea, I have lots of games installed on Vista, that's why :) |
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| 18:10.38 | simonrvn | #define "works" |
| 18:10.44 | jelly-home | wald0: yeah. grub gives those to the kernel at boot time, so you have to reboot, or use that echo line |
| 18:11.27 | \amethyst | jelly-home: possibly forever, as I can't find anything relevant in the changelog |
| 18:11.39 | Doug52392 | could I somehow copy the /boot partition to an ISO or something like that and put it in a small section of free space at the begining of the disk (and still be able to boot)? |
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| 18:12.02 | simonrvn | \amethyst jelly-home: it has been since etch. used to default to medium |
| 18:12.03 | wald0 | jelly-home: i dont' quite understand... why/when i need to reboot and for what ? it is not supposed that hibernation is: "save data in SWAP, shutdown... turn ON -> restore data from swap" ? i don't understand what is for this line or why is needed that reboot |
| 18:12.13 | jelly-home | simonrvn: thanks |
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| 18:12.50 | simonrvn | Doug52392: how is it in the way? |
| 18:12.51 | jelly-home | wald0: the line is there for the kernel to know where to look for the resume image |
| 18:13.14 | \amethyst | simonrvn: was it still medium and up regardless of your debconf defaults? |
| 18:13.19 | jelly-home | wald0: it is given to the kernel as a command line argument, by the boot loader |
| 18:13.53 | Doug52392 | It goes 39gb Debian partition > /boot > free space |
| 18:14.01 | Doug52392 | I would perfer if everything is on one partition |
| 18:14.08 | wald0 | jelly-home: ok, so, i add resume=/dev/sda1 to my menu.lst, i run hibernate, i turn ON the computer and it needs to work ? or what are exactly the steps ? |
| 18:14.10 | simonrvn | \amethyst: i'd switch it to low by hand (still do heh, even if not needed). do you mean like for woody? |
| 18:14.28 | jelly-home | wald0: have you updated the grub configuration? |
| 18:14.49 | wald0 | yes, with resume=/dev/sda1 |
| 18:15.00 | wald0 | (instea of resume=swap:/dev/sda1 ?) |
| 18:15.03 | jelly-home | wald0: add resume=... to menu.lst, run update-grub, _reboot_. Now you can run hibernate. |
| 18:15.19 | simonrvn | Doug52392: oh, you could either re-order the parts, or cp your /boot stuff over to something, and then delete it. might want to use gparted or qparted or such |
| 18:15.36 | \amethyst | simonrvn: In sarge, woody, and earlier. Has dpkg-reconfigure always ignored your debconf default priority? |
| 18:15.47 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:16.05 | Doug52392 | Would I then need to reinstall GRUB? Debian's GRUB installer doesn't work right on my computer, so I want to use the GRUB bootloader from Fedora |
| 18:16.13 | simonrvn | sometimes it seems like it does however. i think that's a known bug |
| 18:16.32 | \amethyst | simonrvn: now it's supposed to, according to the manpage |
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| 18:16.50 | simonrvn | *supposed* to ignore it? |
| 18:16.55 | \amethyst | simonrvn: yes |
| 18:17.00 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:17.04 | \amethyst | simonrvn: it has a --default-priority option to not ignore it |
| 18:17.08 | leafwiz | Grub thinks that /boot is exf2f how do i tell , that it is ext3? |
| 18:17.17 | simonrvn | ... |
| 18:17.36 | \amethyst | simonrvn: when was the default priority set to high? it might be related? |
| 18:17.38 | simonrvn | so what's the fucking point of setting it, and allowing it to be set? |
| 18:17.52 | \amethyst | simonrvn: because the debconf defaults still affect the initial installation |
| 18:17.54 | simonrvn | dunno |
| 18:17.59 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:18.10 | \amethyst | I guess the idea is that, if you use dpkg-reconfigure, you want to completely reconfigure it |
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| 18:18.38 | \amethyst | rather than just answering the default questions, which you should have gotten right in the first place :) |
| 18:19.02 | simonrvn | right. a newbie would get those right. sure. |
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| 18:19.36 | simonrvn | maybe they should *ask* people before they go about making weird decisions like that |
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| 18:20.34 | simonrvn | "i'll start doing it this way because i fell like it" |
| 18:20.37 | simonrvn | feel |
| 18:20.41 | wald0 | jelly-home: it seems to work, thx! :) i need now just to know wich is the better way to hibernate (hibernate, tuxonice, pm-hibernate) |
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| 18:21.28 | \amethyst | simonrvn: It might be related to etch raising the default priority to 'high' |
| 18:21.41 | \amethyst | simonrvn: (from medium in the past) |
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| 18:23.37 | simonrvn | (btw, i do realise that they might want to avoid having newbies break something, so reducing the number of questions asked) it's rather upsetting to affect the behaviour in such a way that it stops doing the expected, and not mention it anywhere |
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| 18:24.03 | \amethyst | simonrvn: it's mentioned in the manpage anyway |
| 18:24.24 | simonrvn | ok |
| 18:24.25 | Stroganoff | how ca i manually add information to dpkg like this: shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 |
| 18:24.28 | \amethyst | simonrvn: not in the changelog or any README as far as I can tell |
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| 18:24.33 | Stroganoff | so it can be retrieved using db_get |
| 18:24.48 | simonrvn | install it properly |
| 18:25.18 | simonrvn | \amethyst: something that important i would tend to put it in the readme |
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| 18:26.05 | rafuch0 | Guerin, that harden-doc is agreat doc :P |
| 18:26.06 | jelly-home | wald0: afair the hibernate script uses whatever it can find (tuxonice, swsusp/uswsusp, don't know what is pm-hibernate) |
| 18:26.42 | \amethyst | Stroganoff: something like echo 'sun-java5-bin shared/accepted-sun-dlj-v1-1 boolean true' | debconf-set-selections |
| 18:27.05 | \amethyst | Stroganoff: If I'm not mistaken you'll have to do that for each package |
| 18:27.50 | \amethyst | !preseed |
| 18:27.50 | dpkg | it has been said that preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 18:28.03 | \amethyst | Stroganoff: ^^^ you might find the above useful, depending on what you're doing |
| 18:29.31 | Stroganoff | looking good, \amethyst, thank you |
| 18:30.14 | rahsputin | i booted my pc and as my HD started making a sound like it if was working , i entered $ top and found that USER: nobody was executing find..... what does this mean? |
| 18:31.06 | rahsputin | after i entered user password ..... the HD started working ^^^^ |
| 18:31.29 | HardDisk_WP | yeah |
| 18:31.36 | HardDisk_WP | that is FS indexing |
| 18:31.40 | HardDisk_WP | should be harmless |
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| 18:32.14 | rahsputin | HardDisk_WP: that for me ? |
| 18:32.21 | HardDisk_WP | ya |
| 18:32.28 | rahsputin | yo, thanks ;) |
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| 18:33.20 | lymeca | I have a MediaWiki PHP script which provides it with LDAP authentication and I've configured it to work with an LDAP server on my network but SSL is broken because my LDAP server has a self-seigned certificate which apparently Apache/PHP/MediaWiki doesn't trust. |
| 18:33.28 | lymeca | How can I manually make my machine trust this cert file I have a cacert.pem public key of the LDAP server? |
| 18:33.34 | lymeca | can I force Apache (or would it be PHP) to trust that cert? |
| 18:34.55 | enouf | rahsputin: that's your /etc/cron.daily/* scripts running usually triggered by your /etc/crontab (or manually doing updatedb as root) |
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| 18:36.09 | varney | Nyle: i just tried the Debian liveCD again, and i haven't got a mouse lock-up yet. weird |
| 18:36.42 | varney | is i386 Debian like 32-bit Debian, whereas amd64 Debian is like 64-bit Debian? |
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| 18:37.14 | gangsterlicious | lymeca: the self-signed certs is it CA? |
| 18:37.19 | dustybin | HardDisk_WP: is that you i think it is lol |
| 18:37.37 | lymeca | gangsterlicious: it's a public key which has been through the signing process |
| 18:37.42 | HardDisk_WP | dustybin, ???? |
| 18:37.44 | lymeca | just not a legit CA |
| 18:37.49 | lymeca | self-signed |
| 18:37.54 | HardDisk_WP | dustybin, that what is lol? |
| 18:37.59 | lymeca | I want Apache/PHP/MediaWiki to trust it. |
| 18:38.20 | dustybin | maybe its not you.. |
| 18:38.40 | varney | anyone? |
| 18:39.22 | varney | is i386 Debian like 32-bit Debian, whereas amd64 Debian is like 64-bit Debian? |
| 18:39.55 | epsilon | yes |
| 18:40.15 | varney | great, thanks epsilon; just needed to confirm that |
| 18:40.33 | enouf | rahsputin: oh, triggering upon login probably means you either dual boot, or haven't booted in a little bit in debian, and 'anacron' runs (an extension of cron) |
| 18:40.34 | varney | so my Athlon 64 would take either? |
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| 18:40.42 | epsilon | yes |
| 18:40.49 | varney | :) |
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| 18:41.16 | epsilon | but don't take ia64 |
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| 18:42.04 | varney | yep, i saw that on the install howto! :) |
| 18:42.19 | dustybin | everytime i boot my machine i would like a little tool i compiled to be started at boot, its a part of zoneminder and that is already started automatically, /etc/init.d/zm the tool i need to start at the same time as zm is called 'mythzmserver' could i just put that at the end of /etc/init.d/zm ? |
| 18:42.26 | enouf | you mean you actually read?! ;-) |
| 18:42.52 | varney | enouf: of course - why wouldn't I?? |
| 18:43.05 | enouf | dustybin: off top of head, i'd say /etc/rc.local |
| 18:43.05 | ectospasm | dustybin: that would be an appropriate place for it |
| 18:43.24 | ectospasm | enouf: but if they want it to run when zm starts, at the end of the init script would be more appropriate |
| 18:43.27 | dokma | hi guys. is parted the way to go to enlarge a booted root partition at the expense of reducing the size of swap: hda1(root) and hda2(swap) |
| 18:43.29 | enouf | varney: nothing against you ;-) just so many do not bother reading .. no worries ;-) |
| 18:43.30 | dustybin | i will paste my /etc/init.d/zm |
| 18:43.38 | varney | hehe |
| 18:44.04 | varney | even when i read, it just happens that some things are just too damn ambiguous |
| 18:44.28 | dustybin | et |
| 18:44.32 | enouf | ectospasm: no, /etc/init.d/ scripts are controlled via pkg manager and installation/debconf routines - /etc/rc.local will be left alone in most cases, afaict |
| 18:44.42 | ectospasm | enouf: wrong |
| 18:44.53 | enouf | ectospasm: you're wrong |
| 18:44.55 | ectospasm | init scripts don't have to be maintained by the package manage |
| 18:44.56 | ectospasm | r |
| 18:44.59 | dustybin | ectospasm: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2539 could i put 'mythzmserver' right at the end of the script or would it have to be positioned somewhere ? |
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| 18:45.27 | Inazad | I need help.. I'm trying to build ACPICA and I got an error in acpiexec.. someone can help me ? |
| 18:45.39 | enouf | ectospasm: do an update/upgrade and bam, goodbye custom script |
| 18:46.13 | \amethyst | dustybin: it would have to be inside 'start' |
| 18:46.31 | ectospasm | enouf: depends on the package... if the package is maintained by the package manager... and even in that case debian won't automatically clobber your init script |
| 18:46.54 | \amethyst | dustybin: and presumably you'd want to stop it in the 'stop()' function |
| 18:47.00 | ectospasm | but your custom scripts that aren't tied to a specific package won't be touched |
| 18:47.14 | \amethyst | enouf: init scripts should be conffiles |
| 18:47.14 | dustybin | \amethyst: i could modify the script to start and stop at the same time |
| 18:47.23 | Inazad | I need help.. I'm trying to build ACPICA and I got an error in acpiexec.. someone can help me ? |
| 18:47.25 | ectospasm | ...and the ones from custom built, not apt packages won't be touched either |
| 18:47.27 | \amethyst | enouf: so they won't get blown away unless you ask for them to be |
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| 18:47.57 | \amethyst | dustybin: start and stop at the same time? |
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| 18:49.22 | Soskel | apt-get moo |
| 18:49.30 | dustybin | \amethyst: i cannot do that it uses different commands |
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| 18:49.56 | St0n3-C0l | hmmm, when im doing mkdosfs /dev/sdb1 it says 'no such file or directory' |
| 18:50.06 | St0n3-C0l | Whats debian usb partition? |
| 18:50.18 | St0n3-C0l | ok |
| 18:50.19 | St0n3-C0l | it's sda |
| 18:50.21 | \amethyst | dustybin: put the command to start it at the end of the start() function, and the command to stop it at the end of the stop() function |
| 18:50.33 | enouf | ectospasm: it almost always asks whenever one has an /etc/* config file that has been altered and asks upon upgrade/installation and usually createsa a dpkg-old{new}.backup type copy |
| 18:50.34 | enouf | and /etc/rc.local is called from /etc/rc?.d/99rc.local symlinks which point to /etc/init.d/rc.local for a reason |
| 18:50.34 | enouf | this S99 ensures, everything is up and mounted already - but either way will work |
| 18:50.34 | Inazad | someone here? |
| 18:50.43 | dustybin | \amethyst: aye thanks |
| 18:50.45 | \amethyst | dustybin: actually, maybe put the command to stop it at the beginning of the stop() function, so it stops before zoneminder |
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| 18:51.04 | dustybin | \amethyst: the command to start is: mythzmserver -c /usr/local/etc/zm.conf tnere |
| 18:51.15 | ectospasm | enouf: but if you wanted something to run before the S99 timeframe... you'd need your own init script |
| 18:51.16 | dustybin | there is also a option to run it as a daemon, maybe i should do that |
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| 18:51.39 | St0n3-C0l | How do i format my usb :( |
| 18:52.01 | enouf | ectospasm: true, and point - sure, debian is extremely customizeable and tolerant to such |
| 18:52.05 | \amethyst | dustybin: if it's in /usr/local/bin/mythzmserver you might need to give the full path---I'm not sure if /usr/local/bin is in the PATH when init scripts run |
| 18:52.07 | Jyzygzy- | in what in what environment variable is the compiler? |
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| 18:52.24 | Jyzygzy- | vmware installer is trying to use too new |
| 18:52.42 | ectospasm | enouf: and throwing stuff in rc.local strikes me as awfully sloppy |
| 18:52.45 | \amethyst | Jyzygzy-: it might be using $CC |
| 18:52.51 | dustybin | \amethyst: aye ok |
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| 18:54.02 | enouf | ectospasm: what happens say if you now, update.rc-d and remove the startup symlinks - the script remains though, and then you upgrade (or reinstall) that pkg that initially created the scripts? |
| 18:54.21 | Jyzygzy- | Using compiler "/usr/bin/gcc". Use environment variable CC to override. |
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| 18:54.39 | Jyzygzy- | export CC=gcc-4.1 |
| 18:54.44 | \amethyst | enouf: then you'll be prompted whether you want to keep your version, use the maintainer's version, show a diff, etc. |
| 18:55.05 | Jyzygzy- | wtf |
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| 18:55.26 | enouf | ectospasm: will the .postinst script check for symlinks? or for /init.d/ script? or both? - and \amethyst that's quite dependent on one's debconf settings, no? |
| 18:55.29 | dustybin | \amethyst: there is no command to stop it: /usr/local/bin/mythzmserver -d -c /usr/local/etc/zm.conf |
| 18:55.40 | dustybin | \amethyst: maybe ill put it right at the top of the script |
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| 18:55.47 | Jyzygzy- | fucking bunch of noobs at the vmware |
| 18:55.56 | Jyzygzy- | the CC is not overriding anything |
| 18:56.06 | ectospasm | enouf: I'm not talking about package-supplied init scripts... Those will take care of themselves. I'm talking about init scripts you write yourself |
| 18:56.26 | \amethyst | enouf: It's not going to overwrite it unless you have explicity configured it to do so |
| 18:56.45 | ectospasm | (I'm talking as bit of a debian neophyte here... I've only been running debian for a few months) |
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| 18:57.03 | Jyzygzy- | can i link the /usr/bin/gcc somewhere else? |
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| 18:58.02 | Jyzygzy- | fucking bullshit installer |
| 18:58.29 | curtmack | When I install a package, does the package remain somewhere on the HD or does it get deleted? |
| 18:58.54 | curtmack | I mean, when I install a package via APT |
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| 19:00.35 | CharminTheMoose | curtmack, yeah look in /var/apt/cache/archive |
| 19:00.42 | curtmack | okay, thanks |
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| 19:02.00 | \amethyst | curtmack: that's /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 19:02.10 | enouf | ectospasm: we were talking about package manager controlled scripts, no idea why and when you deviated |
| 19:02.16 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search zoneminder |
| 19:02.17 | enouf | zoneminder - Linux video camera security and surveillance solution |
| 19:02.37 | no_mind | I just finished dist-upgrade and booted the machine. Everything is fine except that Xorg is using too big font |
| 19:02.52 | no_mind | gdm or kde too are showing very big font |
| 19:02.56 | no_mind | how can I fix this |
| 19:02.59 | \amethyst | ectospasm: dustybin was talking about modifying an existing init script to also run another program |
| 19:03.00 | ectospasm | enouf: I was under the impression he didn't use apt to install it, so it counted as custom in my mind |
| 19:03.20 | \amethyst | ectospasm: he didn't use apt to install the other program |
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| 19:04.13 | enouf | \amethyst: i suppose the .postinst script must run a debsum against the installed pkg components/files and proceed from there according to debconf settings - playing around with startup scripts is perfect for using the rarely-used runlevels 3/4/5 ;-) |
| 19:04.22 | \amethyst | dustybin: btw, there seems to be a mythzoneminder package in debian-multimedia, you might be able to use that |
| 19:04.38 | \amethyst | enouf: it's the same way any other conffile is handled |
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| 19:05.00 | mhymn_ | hi,newbie here, should I have 2 network interfaces for ip masquerading? |
| 19:05.08 | \amethyst | enouf: (I'm talking about the /etc/init.d/ script itself, not the symlinks) |
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| 19:06.42 | enouf | \amethyst: i'm talking about everything a pkg installation installs as it pertains to startup scripts (whether init.d or rc?.d entries) as each of those can be maniulated by the user, and usually it's the rc?.d symlinks to either Snn the app or Knn the app during startup |
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| 19:07.08 | enouf | s/manipulated |
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| 19:07.50 | enouf | mhymn_: /msg dpkg ipmasq |
| 19:08.49 | enouf | mhymn_: whoops, well, each box usually has an iface (NIC), and one uses the other as a gateway |
| 19:08.56 | \amethyst | enouf: the rc?.d entries are handled by dh_installinit usually |
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| 19:10.39 | mhymn_ | enouf: thanks |
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| 19:11.07 | enouf | mhymn_: np, also /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 19:11.35 | mhymn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.46 | enouf | mhymn_: remove leading whitespace |
| 19:12.02 | \amethyst | dustybin: btw, there seems to be a mythzoneminder package in debian-multimedia. That might be easier to get working than a hand-installed version |
| 19:12.04 | mhymn_ | enouf: :-) |
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| 19:13.32 | enouf | no_mind: /msg dpkg dpi |
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| 19:14.32 | enouf | \amethyst: so the actual init.d/ entries are not handled via dh_installinit ??? |
| 19:14.45 | \amethyst | enouf: no, they're handled as ordinary conffiles |
| 19:15.05 | enouf | \amethyst: ahh, that explains a lot to me then, thank you |
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| 19:17.18 | \amethyst | enouf: err, actually, I seem to be partially wrong---dh_installinit also adds the init.d script and marks it as a conffile (at package creation time) |
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| 19:17.55 | enouf | \amethyst: ok, you were close enough ;-P |
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| 19:18.43 | enouf | s/(at package creation time)/(at package installation time) ? |
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| 19:19.24 | \amethyst | enouf: no, creation |
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| 19:19.43 | enouf | oh, now i gotcha |
| 19:19.59 | enouf | dpkg-buildpackage time |
| 19:20.24 | \amethyst | enouf: AFAICT dh_installinit doesn't put anything into the pre/postinst scripts about the init.d script itself, other than something if [ -x ... ] |
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| 19:21.54 | \amethyst | enouf: (i.e. the package scripts use the existence of that file to determine whether to run update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d, but they don't generally do anything to the init.d script themselves) |
| 19:22.02 | \amethyst | s/package/maintainer/ |
| 19:22.22 | enouf | \amethyst: so basically you're saying the init.d/ scripts installed via pkg manager are and remain unmolested during upgrades and even during removal/reinstatement of it's related rc?.d/ symlinks ? |
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| 19:22.51 | enouf | ok, gotcha |
| 19:22.58 | \amethyst | enouf: well, that depends on whether you use --force-confnew, --force-confold, etc. |
| 19:23.39 | \amethyst | enouf: but modifying them is no more dangerous than, say, modifying apache.conf |
| 19:24.35 | enouf | well, my initial point was to just keep most of those possible variables/variations out of it by using the file set aside for just this task , which was at one time bootmisc,sh (and perhaps others) and has recently been rc.local, but ok |
| 19:25.35 | Jyzygzy- | how do i hook a VNC server to my current X session |
| 19:25.36 | Jyzygzy- | to :0 |
| 19:25.43 | enouf | i get your point though about 'priority' of the files considered conffiles and their need to go untouched |
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| 19:26.59 | enouf | i've lately been thinking about switching over to the file-rc bootup style pkg... and so i guess i like the less confusion the whoie sysv init system seems to cause for me at times |
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| 19:28.03 | enouf | !vncserver |
| 19:28.08 | enouf | !vnc |
| 19:28.08 | dpkg | methinks vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about <x-not-vnc> Packages in Debian include tightvncserver xvncserver xvnc4server and x11vnc. "apt-cache search vnc" will turn up many more. |
| 19:28.46 | ix | How do I get the AltGr (right alt) working with the US International keyboard layout? (i.e. I want to use it to enter some special characters) |
| 19:29.11 | ix | in xorg, that is. |
| 19:29.16 | ectospasm | ix: man xmodmap |
| 19:29.23 | ectospasm | or google it |
| 19:29.32 | ix | googled it, found no useful information |
| 19:29.45 | ix | I actually have to create xmodmap entries for ALL of the special keys? |
| 19:30.11 | ix | the point is that they are originally are supposed to be part of the keyboard layout |
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| 19:32.21 | Sefyroth | Hey guys, little newbie question, how would I kill a process which's PID is in a file? |
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| 19:40.54 | ampex2 | Sefyroth: PID=`cat pidfile` && kill $PID |
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| 19:47.55 | Sefyroth | Thanks |
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| 19:52.19 | enouf | ix: all i can say is perhaps you want to enable deadkeys; do "/msg dpkg keymap" and see http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.html |
| 19:54.19 | ix | perhaps that is the key |
| 19:54.37 | ix | will try it, thanks :) |
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| 19:55.38 | enouf | ix: np, and note; IINM, most people bind their WinLogo keys as Meta/Super Keys |
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| 20:19.28 | Jyzygzy- | where did you put modules you wanna load at startup? |
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| 20:21.52 | vvd | /etc/modules |
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| 20:23.51 | Jyzygzy- | nice |
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| 20:28.02 | Jyzygzy- | wtf how did you add urself to a group |
| 20:28.14 | Jyzygzy- | the changes i made to /etc/group didnt work |
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| 20:28.25 | Nyle | adduser user group |
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| 20:28.32 | Nyle | man adduser |
| 20:28.37 | Jyzygzy- | i knew it was something unlogical |
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| 20:28.43 | Jyzygzy- | thats why i never remember |
| 20:28.55 | Nyle | un?logical? |
| 20:29.04 | Jyzygzy- | well yea |
| 20:29.06 | Jyzygzy- | adduser |
| 20:29.12 | Nyle | obviously... |
| 20:29.21 | Jyzygzy- | obviosly its for making users |
| 20:29.35 | Nyle | who knew to add a user you have to use adduser. |
| 20:29.48 | Jyzygzy- | tyea |
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| 20:30.16 | Nyle | there is no makeuser |
| 20:30.19 | Nyle | only adduser |
| 20:30.26 | Nyle | useradd is a diff story |
| 20:30.48 | Nyle | so to add a user to the system or to a group, you would logically use adduser |
| 20:30.57 | Nyle | to add a group to the system use addgroup |
| 20:31.04 | Nyle | its NOT that complicated dude |
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| 20:33.03 | Nyle | !adduser |
| 20:33.03 | dpkg | methinks adduser is a program that adds a user to the system. |
| 20:33.12 | Nyle | !addgroup |
| 20:33.15 | Nyle | muuahaha |
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| 20:36.28 | JairunCaloth | howdy |
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| 20:41.04 | Tapout | anyone know why teamspeak server isn't listed in aptitude ? |
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| 20:45.05 | craigevil | Tapout: its in Sid repos not sure about etch/lenny, teamspeak-client - VoIP chat for online gaming |
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| 20:45.48 | Tapout | ya just the client, must be some licensing problem or something |
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| 20:45.52 | x0rg62 | hello |
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| 20:46.49 | craigevil | serevr is there as well |
| 20:46.59 | craigevil | teamspeak-server - VoIP chat for online gaming (server) |
| 20:47.06 | x0rg62 | i haven't pc speaker for the "beep system" are there a solution for make a sound with aplay when normally , the beep system is there ?? |
| 20:47.12 | craigevil | you only need the client to talk |
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| 20:48.16 | Tapout | craigevil, what version of debian? |
| 20:48.24 | craigevil | Sid |
| 20:48.25 | Tapout | etch isn't showing teamspeak-server, only client |
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| 20:50.46 | mbroeker | Tapout, it's definitly in lenny: http://rafb.net/p/6NNjRO74.html |
| 20:51.05 | x0rg62 | do you see what i mean plz ?? |
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| 20:52.11 | Tapout | can I install a lenny package on etch? |
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| 20:52.37 | mbroeker | sure but you need to adjust your sources.list |
| 20:52.42 | x0rg62 | anyone don't have a pc speaker for a beep here ???? |
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| 20:53.03 | Tapout | it won't break anything installing a lenny package, and then configuring it back to sid? |
| 20:53.06 | Tapout | err |
| 20:53.07 | Tapout | etch |
| 20:53.20 | Tapout | etch -> lenny, install teamspeak-server , back to etch, won't break? |
| 20:53.33 | mbroeker | Tapout, you can manually download the deb |
| 20:53.50 | nvz | what exactly is the process for getting on wifi? I tried last night and couldn't get connected. after you do an iwconfig eth1 essid "Foo", do I just then do a dhclient eth1? |
| 20:53.52 | mbroeker | and install it with dpkg -i tss.deb for example |
| 20:54.09 | x0rg62 | pl\ |
| 20:54.12 | x0rg62 | please * |
| 20:54.58 | mbroeker | x0rg62, try alsamixer |
| 20:55.09 | x0rg62 | already try |
| 20:55.11 | mbroeker | unmute the pcspeaker |
| 20:55.19 | nvz | also I have a strange issue with the usb wifi card I am using.. if I run iwlist or iwconfig when I first boot or plug it in. it says no such device even though dmesg shows the firmware loading and the device is eth1.. but if I do a dhclient on eth1 then iwconfig and iwlist suddenly work after that *shrug* |
| 20:55.31 | x0rg62 | i HAVENT pcspeaker in alsamixer |
| 20:55.32 | nvz | seems like some weird anomoly causing a bug |
| 20:55.34 | x0rg62 | and in my laptop |
| 20:55.59 | x0rg62 | actually i want to reproduce the beep with aplay or something like this |
| 20:56.24 | mbroeker | my kernel is self compiled, i will check the module name, x0rg62 one moment |
| 20:56.40 | nvz | oh well must be a bad time of day for me to ask random questions |
| 20:57.02 | Tapout | thanks mbroeker |
| 20:57.07 | nvz | I think I am gonna take my severely sunburned ass to bed and try again later |
| 20:57.25 | nvz | well actually its just my back thats sunburned, not my ass.. heh |
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| 20:59.14 | mbroeker | Tapout, i cannot find a special kernel module for it. i must be builtin |
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| 21:01.03 | LisaCat | Is there some easy way to check how much bandwith a application is using? |
| 21:01.07 | varney | another conundrum: what's the debian-update-4.0r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso for? |
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| 21:01.35 | x0rg62 | mbroeker ? |
| 21:01.38 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a way to control the volume of an ALSA device via web? |
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| 21:02.10 | mbroeker | Tapout, i use kde-3.5.9 and i can enable this in kcontrol. There isn't a kernel module as i thought first. |
| 21:02.11 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, you could try using mpd. |
| 21:02.40 | mbroeker | and of course, it's in alsamixer, x0rg62 |
| 21:02.47 | mbroeker | on my soundcard |
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| 21:03.00 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, mmh...is mpd compatible with UPnP streaming sources? |
| 21:03.02 | HardDisk_WP | i use mediatomb |
| 21:03.04 | x0rg62 | ... |
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| 21:03.21 | x0rg62 | i want just a tip for reproduce the beep system.. |
| 21:04.03 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, I don't really know what upnp does. but mpd can alter the volume on the system running the server; I didn't mean that you would need to use it for streaming too, although it would be convenient. |
| 21:04.05 | varney | is it significant? can't find anything on it... |
| 21:04.15 | HardDisk_WP | sounds sweet |
| 21:04.36 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, i want to turn my NSLU2 into a mediacenter :D |
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| 21:05.03 | jbAU | anyone know how to read the disc id of a dvd in the console ? |
| 21:05.11 | HardDisk_WP | it can successfully serve audio files via mediatomb to my WLAN radio/streaming client, it can play mp3 through a Creative sound card... |
| 21:05.21 | lunaphyte | is there a web interface through which i can see a file as it ships in a package? i want to compare my dovecot.conf to the default one. |
| 21:05.25 | HardDisk_WP | now the only thing missing is to be able to control all that stuff via web :D |
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| 21:05.36 | Monobi | Any packages to block IRC traffic? |
| 21:05.51 | HardDisk_WP | Monobi, iptables |
| 21:05.51 | lunaphyte | Monobi: iptables? |
| 21:05.52 | Eulex | Monobi, linux-image-version-arch |
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| 21:06.06 | Monobi | Hm, any easy way to modify iptable :| ? |
| 21:06.10 | Eulex | Monobi, there's a firewall built into your kernel. |
| 21:06.14 | jbAU | anyone know how to read the name of a CD in the console ? |
| 21:06.15 | lunaphyte | kind of ironic to be asking that here. :) |
| 21:06.29 | Piero_Scarufii | np: Orbital - Halcyon & On & On "Hackers" |
| 21:06.34 | varney | is it just for updating an older version of Debian (e.g older than etch)? |
| 21:06.35 | Piero_Scarufii | Oops sorry i did that here |
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| 21:06.50 | Piero_Scarufii | Why is debian better than ubuntu? |
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| 21:06.57 | Piero_Scarufii | i mean what are benefits |
| 21:06.58 | Piero_Scarufii | for me |
| 21:07.04 | Monobi | Ok |
| 21:07.11 | Monobi | Piero_Scarufii, not as bloated |
| 21:07.17 | Piero_Scarufii | faster? |
| 21:07.18 | Monobi | Ubuntu includes a lot of packages by default |
| 21:07.29 | Piero_Scarufii | Oh ok |
| 21:08.05 | Eulex | varney, my guess would be that it contained the packages that were updated from 4.0r0 to 4.0r3. but 2.2g seems a little much. |
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| 21:09.19 | varney | but i thought 4.0r3 is already the other dvds |
| 21:09.29 | Shai | Hey all, I'm trying to compile lirc drivers from source. It requires the kernel source. I'm running 2.6.18-6-686. I dnloaded the source but it extracts to dir linux-2.6-2.6.18.dfsg.1. lirc requires it to be ./linux/2.6-2.6.18. I'm not quite sure how to give lirc what it wants aside from copying the source to the needed destination directory. any other suggestions? |
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| 21:13.44 | jbAU | anyone know a way of reading the name of a CD in the console? There has to be a way |
| 21:13.56 | Shai | Ok well, I copied the kernel source to the "wanted" directory. It's still not working. Any suggestions on how I get the source for 2.6.18-6-686 kernel? |
| 21:13.59 | asg | Shai: install module-assistant and run 'm-a prepare'. That should get the right bits for compiling most kernel modules. |
| 21:14.13 | Shai | asg, thanks, will give it a try. |
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| 21:21.12 | varney | would downloading dvd1-iso be enough for a minimal install with gnome? |
| 21:21.52 | Shai | varney for what? a debian install? |
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| 21:23.18 | Shai | varney you could just install from as little as the netinst cd and then install X and gnome piecemeal |
| 21:24.02 | varney | Shai: i have tried netinstall - no luck, as i have an integrated nic |
| 21:24.19 | varney | i want to download the dvd1, would it be sufficient for a debian install? |
| 21:24.33 | Shai | varyney, yeah I did it this morning with a wireless nic and wpasupplicant. |
| 21:24.58 | varney | hm |
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| 21:25.17 | varney | dunno what you mean by wpasupplicant, but i'll believe you |
| 21:25.59 | Shai | varney if I had to do over again I'd get the deb full cd, just cd1 and that should do it. I don't see a need for a dvd. |
| 21:26.02 | varney | i just don't want to download everything, as i want to use Debian as a learning tool for a webserver |
| 21:26.16 | varney | and i only need gnome |
| 21:26.35 | varney | and i can aptitude apache etc if i need them, right? |
| 21:26.44 | varney | (if they're not on dvd1) |
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| 21:26.56 | Shai | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ go there, get cd1 |
| 21:27.27 | Shai | As long as you have apt and a net connection you should be able to get anything you want. |
| 21:27.31 | varney | well i will be going for amd64 as i have an athlon |
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| 21:28.23 | Shai | personally, unless you have a "real" need I wouldn't worry about being a minimalist. |
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| 21:28.42 | Shai | Just get debian installed and try to focus on what you really want to learn. |
| 21:29.00 | varney | yep, i've wasted 4 hours today trying to get it to install from usb |
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| 21:29.15 | varney | until i figured i need to have it installed before i can set it up for this |
| 21:29.23 | varney | kinda pointless |
| 21:29.32 | Shai | I, on the otherhand have a "real" need. I'm installing to a p3 laptop that I want to use as a media server. I need a minimalistic approach to get all the performance I can. |
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| 21:29.54 | varney | ah, i get you |
| 21:29.55 | Shai | CD1 should get you up and running |
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| 21:30.04 | varney | k, thanks very much |
| 21:30.11 | varney | downloading now! |
| 21:30.37 | Wudaan | hello i get a black screen when i start my fresh installed etch ( on laptop with ati x700) |
| 21:30.44 | varney | have you got any idea what the -update- cds are for? |
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| 21:31.26 | Shai | varney not really. I'm a windows person primarily who dabbles in linux everyonce in a while. |
| 21:31.56 | Shai | Varney, if you want something really simple I'd suggest ubuntu. It will handle the configurations of everything mostly and allow you to focus on the web server. |
| 21:32.23 | Shai | Wudaan, possibly wrong drivers or wrong resolution would be my guess. |
| 21:32.59 | varney | ok, thanks but no thanks, i much prefer how Debian handles apache anyway |
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| 21:33.15 | Shai | Ubuntu is not minimalist by any means but it's the closest thing to windows linux has that I know of. |
| 21:33.16 | Wudaan | how can configure it? |
| 21:33.32 | Shai | ubuntu is based on debian. |
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| 21:34.27 | Shai | wudaan, I can't help you there. Try googling xserver blank screen or something. |
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| 21:34.57 | varney | well, i am not an idiot when it comes to getting linux installed, i am just confused about the -update- dvds and cds and why i can't find info on them. i would use ubuntu, but since i already have debian on a dedicated server, i would like to mirror that on my pc to see what the outcome of any of my actions are |
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| 21:35.19 | Shai | yeah, just a fyi though. |
| 21:35.21 | varney | also, i hope that one of the update cds solves a mouse freezing problem i have |
| 21:35.32 | varney | that's why i am inteerested in them |
| 21:35.52 | varney | i don't want to download one of them only to find it isn't an installation |
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| 21:36.29 | wd | any ex-gentoo users present? |
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| 21:37.51 | rahul | !poll |
| 21:37.52 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 21:38.05 | rahul | !sing sussudio |
| 21:38.05 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 21:38.41 | wd | rahul, heh |
| 21:39.49 | wd | anyway what is a way to compile or optimize cpu in debian like the "use" flags in gentoo? |
| 21:40.12 | wd | (not taking a poll - if you would have given me a chance) |
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| 21:40.28 | rahul | wd: you took a poll instead of asking your real question |
| 21:40.32 | rahul | !gentoosmite wd |
| 21:40.32 | dpkg | spends 9 days recompiling wd, and when it's all done, wd runs 0.3% faster than previously |
| 21:40.55 | rahul | wd: the important optimizations are detected at run time by the kernel |
| 21:41.00 | rahul | or libc |
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| 21:41.21 | rahul | other than that, all you're doing is trying to find compiler bugs |
| 21:41.38 | rahul | or poisoning your i-cache |
| 21:41.58 | Eulex | wd, you generally do not do that in debian. but if you really do, I'd suggest either compiling the package the package yourself and make it use the options you want, or use apt-build |
| 21:42.00 | techrush | hes asking about use flags not cflags |
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| 21:42.56 | Eulex | techrush, yet use flags do not really affect cpu performance |
| 21:42.59 | wd | i've been reading an article and thinking about switching .... about CPU optimizations and making |
| 21:42.59 | wd | wild claims of increased performance. |
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| 21:43.52 | Eulex | wd, do they claim that compiling the specific software with other cflags improve performance? or what was the article about? |
| 21:44.06 | maligor | -fonly-use-nops |
| 21:44.19 | rahul | heh |
| 21:44.36 | Wudaan | exit |
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| 21:44.43 | asg | -fruity-funroll-loops |
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| 21:45.39 | TomW | can anyone help with ipod touch + vbox? |
| 21:45.45 | wd | Eulex, no just claims that "power" debian users know how to optimize but rarely do it. |
| 21:46.04 | maligor | some types of software gain performance from compiler flags, but a lot of them are enabled by default on amd64 |
| 21:46.14 | rahul | wd: exactly. because it's useless. |
| 21:46.15 | wd | maligor, oh |
| 21:46.31 | maligor | like software that use huge amounts of floating point arithmetic that isn't optimized manually |
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| 21:46.57 | wd | maligor, oh ok |
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| 21:47.54 | Doug52392 | Hi |
| 21:48.09 | maligor | modifying compiler flags can also give you new and exiting bugs |
| 21:48.10 | Doug52392 | How much space would an average Debian install take up by default? |
| 21:48.23 | Eulex | wd, the small gains possible usually aren't worth it. |
| 21:48.26 | wd | just doing a little background check on debian and so far i like... especially since i was able to get sarge install on "ppc" old world nubus mac... while other distro's couldn't. |
| 21:49.16 | rahul | heh |
| 21:49.21 | wd | Eulex, i'm starting to see and realize this now.. i'm thinking i'm wasting my time with all this compiling and USE flags. |
| 21:49.21 | rahul | nubus mac |
| 21:49.31 | Eulex | wd, you could also try imagining how long it would take to install gentoo (if it would be possible) on that old world mac :) |
| 21:49.41 | rahul | Doug52392: as much as a piece of string |
| 21:49.42 | wd | rahul, yeah, it's a project.. fun stuff. |
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| 21:49.48 | rahul | Doug52392: anywhere from 100MB to 100GB |
| 21:49.59 | CrazyTB | I need help about pinning the system... |
| 21:50.10 | wd | Eulex, wouldn't dare. :) |
| 21:50.13 | rahul | Doug52392: actually, maybe less than 100MB if you deleted the right things |
| 21:50.13 | CrazyTB | I want to setup the highest priority to my own repository |
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| 21:50.38 | CrazyTB | so, if a package (with the same version) is available from more than one place, my repository should get the package. |
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| 21:51.21 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 21:51.32 | rahul | what about the dishonorables? |
| 21:51.35 | rahul | waves |
| 21:51.36 | Jyzygzy- | whats the checkdisc? |
| 21:51.45 | Azar | hey! mister rahul! |
| 21:51.45 | rahul | Jyzygzy-: what does that mean? |
| 21:51.45 | Jyzygzy- | to check filesystem is ok |
| 21:51.46 | Eulex | !tell CrazyTB about pinning |
| 21:51.52 | rahul | Jyzygzy-: fsck |
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| 21:52.17 | Azar | rahul would it be too much to ask for some help about id network cables? |
| 21:52.24 | CrazyTB | Eulex, I'm going to read... But I've already read the manpage. |
| 21:52.32 | shib | can anyone please explain this error (google couldn't :()? |
| 21:52.34 | shib | dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (used by debian/libpango1.0-0/usr/lib/pango/1.6.0/modules/pango-indic-fc.so). |
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| 21:52.51 | rahul | Azar: id network? |
| 21:52.54 | Azar | can't figure out which one is pc > to pc and which is router > to pc |
| 21:52.59 | Azar | no cabling |
| 21:53.04 | rahul | ohh |
| 21:53.14 | Azar | got 3 and dunno how to id |
| 21:53.21 | rahul | you need a continuity tester |
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| 21:53.25 | Doug52392 | Once I install Debian without GRUB (I'm going to use the version of GRUB I already have installed, from Fedora), do I need to edit the GRUB configuration file to boot Debian? |
| 21:53.26 | wd | Eulex, of course i'm getting jammed by the gentoo gurus about i'll be back.. because of "old packages" ... any improvements or how old r ur packages...1 version behind? |
| 21:53.29 | rahul | or just try plugging them in and see which ones give a link light |
| 21:53.31 | Miesco | Anyone else's aptitude stop working? |
| 21:53.36 | Guerin | Miesco: no |
| 21:53.39 | Azar | yeah, makes sense, thanks :) |
| 21:53.45 | asg | Guerin: congrats btw |
| 21:53.49 | Guerin | Miesco: you are alone, crying in the wilderness |
| 21:53.58 | Guerin | asg: thankee sah |
| 21:54.10 | rahul | Miesco: but at least the trees are there to comfort you |
| 21:54.19 | Eulex | wd, etch has as old packages as was stable at the time etch was released. if you need newer packages, I'd suggest using backports on etch, or perhaps using testing. |
| 21:54.22 | rahul | what did Guerin do now? |
| 21:54.25 | Guerin | asg: unfortunately it means I need to curtail my drinking, but fortunately i now have a sober driver 24x7 |
| 21:54.34 | Doug52392 | Or will the Debian installer automatically update the GRUB config file? |
| 21:54.41 | Eulex | wd, I believe gentoo too has the concept of stable and unstable. |
| 21:54.42 | asg | Guerin: :) |
| 21:55.02 | shib | dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: no dependency information found for /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (used by debian/libpango1.0-0/usr/lib/pango/1.6.0/modules/pango-indic-fc.so). |
| 21:55.12 | rahul | Guerin: you're pregnant? |
| 21:55.16 | Guerin | Eulex: gentoo's concept of stable isn't, though |
| 21:55.18 | shib | why would that be? |
| 21:55.25 | azeem | shib: "/usr/local" |
| 21:55.28 | Guerin | rahul: someone very close to me is, and it's my fault |
| 21:55.31 | Eulex | Guerin, yeah, I've heard that it |
| 21:55.32 | Doug52392 | Anyone? |
| 21:55.35 | wd | Eulex, so testing is the way to go? |
| 21:55.40 | rahul | Guerin: ah. good work :) |
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| 21:55.50 | Guerin | rahul: that's what my FIL said. |
| 21:55.52 | wd | Eulex, that's what i'm told. |
| 21:55.52 | Eulex | Guerin, yeah, I've heard that it's like 'someone reported that it works, so we'll change its status to stable' |
| 21:55.58 | rahul | heh. |
| 21:56.02 | Guerin | Eulex: yes, rather. |
| 21:56.19 | Eulex | wd, well, I'd suggest going for stable at first, while learning debian. |
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| 21:56.27 | wd | Eulex, ok |
| 21:57.36 | Piero_Scarufii | where is fable? |
| 21:57.47 | rahul | they're warble farble fashes |
| 21:57.52 | Piero_Scarufii | i want read |
| 21:58.00 | Piero_Scarufii | the fable of debianland |
| 21:58.05 | rahul | they've table warble fashes |
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| 21:58.13 | rahul | !fable |
| 21:58.13 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable? |
| 21:58.18 | wd | Eulex, i printed up "Debian GNU/Linux Bible" by steve hunger. |
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| 21:58.49 | Azar | test... |
| 21:58.50 | wd | Eulex, took it to kinko's and made a book, so that helped. |
| 21:59.00 | Azar | sorry, damn cat chew my cable |
| 21:59.08 | Jyzygzy- | haha |
| 22:00.10 | Eulex | wd, debian stable is extremely well tested and is very well suited for production servers. then my opinion is that on desktop systems you usually do not need all that stableness and a little newer packages make sense, so testing is a good choice in that case (as long as you have some experience with debian; testing is not 100% stable and will contain problems (minor or major) not present in stable) |
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| 22:00.57 | Piero_Scarufii | rahul ty |
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| 22:02.48 | wd | Eulex, ok. i played with freebsd 7 and took it off 2 days later.. system ran smoothe but hey i need flash support in my browsers and getting help was a bit much. |
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| 22:03.25 | wd | Eulex, and the linux emulation.. heh.. i said forget it why not just keep linux. |
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| 22:04.06 | techrush | gnash is not half bad now |
| 22:04.13 | techrush | plays youtube fine |
| 22:04.15 | techrush | and most ads |
| 22:04.15 | wd | Eulex, from what i've been reading in my research.. debian is a mature and old distro. |
| 22:04.19 | Guerin | more like 3/4 bad |
| 22:04.24 | techrush | hehe |
| 22:04.28 | damnnazi | how do i lock a package from upgading |
| 22:04.37 | Eulex | !tell damnnazi about hold |
| 22:04.37 | Guerin | damnnazi: /msg dpkg hold |
| 22:05.01 | damnnazi | tnks |
| 22:05.01 | Monobi | How do I reset my server (Debian OS) to remove all the packages etc I installed? |
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| 22:05.14 | Guerin | Monobi: you don't |
| 22:05.20 | Piero_Scarufii | so who changes the diaper in here for the changelings and babies? |
| 22:05.26 | Monobi | Guerin, I reinstall? |
| 22:05.47 | Guerin | Monobi: why would you? Just uninstall packages you don't want. |
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| 22:06.06 | Monobi | Guerin, I installed openssl, got a cert, and now I can only login as root. |
| 22:06.24 | Piero_Scarufii | i come from the superior slackware world |
| 22:06.28 | Guerin | Piero_Scarufii: changelings we tend to put to the sword as soon as they're discovered, and babies are sent up for re-education. |
| 22:06.45 | Guerin | Monobi: i suggest hiring a competent administrator |
| 22:06.54 | Monobi | Guerin, I am the administrator ;) . |
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| 22:07.02 | XtypeWriter74 | I dont use Desktop. Is there a possiblity of making a "Welcoming" Text for Login before or after User Password was entered ? |
| 22:07.04 | Eulex | wd, there are problems with the flash player packages in etch: it does not work, as it relies on downloading an external file and then building a debian package of it (license prevents it from being included directly), but there's a backported flashplugin-nonfree package at backports.org that does work. |
| 22:07.05 | Monobi | I'm debian-tarded |
| 22:07.10 | Guerin | Piero_Scarufii: troll here at your peril |
| 22:07.20 | Guerin | Monobi: i reiterate my statement |
| 22:07.31 | wd | Eulex, ok |
| 22:07.48 | Monobi | :\ |
| 22:07.49 | Guerin | XtypeWriter74: /etc/issue or /etc/motd |
| 22:07.53 | Piero_Scarufii | Guerin i am from italy |
| 22:07.56 | Piero_Scarufii | i am roman |
| 22:07.59 | Guerin | Piero_Scarufii: this much is evident |
| 22:08.10 | Piero_Scarufii | troll is from Scandenavia |
| 22:08.36 | azeem | Piero_Scarufii: do you have a Debian support question? |
| 22:08.38 | Guerin | Piero_Scarufii: i can assure you I've seen plenty of mediterranean trolls, too. |
| 22:08.39 | Eulex | wd, so it stopped working when the link it had wasn't valid anymore :) |
| 22:08.44 | XtypeWriter74 | oh yeah, i remember again, thanx Guerin ;) |
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| 22:09.38 | Piero_Scarufii | azeem i making an assesment of all the different linux-distros on community virtues and values |
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| 22:09.55 | Guerin | hah |
| 22:09.55 | Piero_Scarufii | for freelance assignment for slashdot |
| 22:10.01 | Guerin | HAH |
| 22:10.14 | TomW | HHAAHH |
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| 22:10.20 | PiousMinion | Can someone recommend a nice lightweight mixer that shows up in the system tray? |
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| 22:10.33 | stew | Piero_Scarufii: ##linux is a better channel for comparing different linux-distros, this channel is only for debian support |
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| 22:10.47 | Guerin | Piero_Scarufii: `shows up in the system tray' is somewhat dependent on which environment you're in |
| 22:10.48 | Piero_Scarufii | ok stew |
| 22:10.50 | Guerin | bah |
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| 22:11.01 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.57 | PiousMinion | Guerin: fluxbox with fbpanel |
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| 22:12.02 | Eulex | PiousMinion, the system tray isn't really there to replace panel applets. use one that's made for your panel. |
| 22:12.42 | PiousMinion | Eulex: I don't believe my panel support applets of any kind. |
| 22:12.55 | TomW | if you have debian it does... |
| 22:13.06 | Eulex | PiousMinion, oh. |
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| 22:13.29 | Eulex | PiousMinion, what desktop environment or window manager are you using? |
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| 22:13.47 | PiousMinion | Eulex: I'm using fluxbox with fbpanel |
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| 22:15.27 | nkuttler | PiousMinion: that should support kde applets at least, maybe gnome |
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| 22:16.25 | PiousMinion | nkuttler: I seriously doubt that but I could be wrong. In any case it doesn't meet the 'lightweight' requirement I mentioned. |
| 22:17.17 | Eulex | nkuttler, eh, fbpanel is gtk, when did you see a gtk application embedding a kde applet? would be much more likely to be able to use gnome applets, but I doubt that too. |
| 22:17.51 | nkuttler | ooooh, fbpanel. the slit does. |
| 22:18.12 | PiousMinion | yeah, I have the slit/toolbar disabled. |
| 22:18.24 | nkuttler | pets his dockapps |
| 22:19.24 | craigevil | theres also alltray |
| 22:19.38 | PiousMinion | someone suggested gvtray, but that doesn't appear to be included with lenny and it's only available s source from svn. |
| 22:19.40 | PiousMinion | alltray? |
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| 22:19.47 | Doug52392 | Hi |
| 22:20.23 | PiousMinion | craigevil: interesting |
| 22:20.53 | craigevil | alltray - Dock any program into the system tray |
| 22:20.53 | Doug52392 | I'm in the process of installing Debian through the netinstall CD. I'm on the partitioning screen. What should I select if I have 36gb of free space, want one partition made, and want to use a version of GRUB already installed? |
| 22:21.14 | Guerin | Doug52392: are you in expert mode? |
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| 22:22.09 | Doug52392 | I don't know, has a list of all my partitions, and has 3 options: Configure LVM, Guided partitioning, and Help |
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| 22:23.03 | Guerin | Doug52392: guided partitioning is what you want. But I think you can only skip grub installation in expert mode. |
| 22:23.11 | Guerin | not 100% sure, though |
| 22:23.14 | Doug52392 | How do I get to expert mode? |
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| 22:23.37 | Guerin | you boot the installer in it. I think you can reach it by hitting escape many times at the right spot |
| 22:23.51 | Guerin | haven't done an install in more than a year, so my memory is vague |
| 22:24.20 | NetEcho | whats the easiest way to check a file's size from command line |
| 22:24.35 | Guerin | NetEcho: du -h filename |
| 22:24.40 | NetEcho | thx |
| 22:24.53 | place | Don't you get in to expert mode if you select <go back> enough time ? |
| 22:25.01 | Guerin | PiousMinion: yeah, something like that |
| 22:25.03 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:25.07 | Guerin | place: ^ |
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| 22:28.15 | correcaminos | hi |
| 22:28.22 | Doug52392 | I have a bunch of options here at the main menu, with all the steps of the installer. One of them is "Continue without Bootloader", whould I just select this after everything else is done? |
| 22:28.42 | wald0 | how i can extract the video of a VCD ? |
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| 22:28.49 | correcaminos | somebody knows, How I can recover my root password |
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| 22:29.00 | wald0 | or... how i can view a VCD on a remote computer ? |
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| 22:29.16 | Doug52392 | So what kind of partition do I create? A logical or primary partition? |
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| 22:37.25 | SimonAdameit | Hi |
| 22:37.33 | wd | Eulex, to connect to a linux samba box using debian, is it the same as gentoo... sudo mount -t smbfs //fileserver/DIr /mnt ? |
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| 22:37.56 | ledet | wd: smbfs is obsolete... |
| 22:37.57 | SimonAdameit | Do you know of software for Debian Linux that is suited to write a book? |
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| 22:38.11 | ledet | SimonAdameit: yes |
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| 22:38.15 | SimonAdameit | Which? |
| 22:38.21 | SimonAdameit | Can you recommend anything? |
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| 22:38.30 | ledet | SimonAdameit: depends... do you want to write a book about it or in it? |
| 22:38.30 | Doug52392 | For the partition I'm installing Debian on, should the Bootable flag be on? |
| 22:38.32 | wd | ledet, oh? what's being used now? |
| 22:38.38 | ledet | wd: cifs |
| 22:38.40 | SimonAdameit | ledet: In it. |
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| 22:38.49 | ledet | SimonAdameit: $EDITOR and then latex |
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| 22:39.17 | ledet | SimonAdameit: lots of books have been written in that over the years... |
| 22:39.20 | damnnazi | whats a good alternative textmode webbrowser to lynx |
| 22:39.30 | ledet | damnnazi: links |
| 22:39.44 | SimonAdameit | ledet: Yes, I have heard of (used) that one... but I think I dont like to see the text that way while I write it... dunno, probably would get used to it |
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| 22:40.04 | Doug52392 | Anyone? |
| 22:40.08 | jelly-home | damnnazi: elinks, links2, w3m |
| 22:40.15 | ledet | SimonAdameit: actually, seeing the text like that helps |
| 22:40.38 | ledet | SimonAdameit: it makes you focus on what's important (your text content) instead of stupid layout details.. |
| 22:40.50 | pngwn | Doug52392, there's an installation manual at debian.org/doc |
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| 22:41.27 | SimonAdameit | ledet: Yes, I dont want to use OOo or Abiword because of too much work to get the layout such |
| 22:41.37 | ledet | SimonAdameit: although... that being said, latex does have a fairly steep learning curve... |
| 22:41.56 | ledet | SimonAdameit: if you want to do fancy stuff anyway |
| 22:42.24 | ledet | SimonAdameit: but chances are that you publisher will have a layout department, that can hack you latex into looking like whatever you want... |
| 22:43.11 | Doug52392 | I can't find anything about a Bootable flag |
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| 22:44.40 | wd | ledet, ok cifs is a variation of smb, will it connect to a samba box and what's the command to mount it? |
| 22:45.15 | Stroganoff | how can i change the way powersaved invokes the screensaver (on standby)? i want it only to show a blank screen (smooth fade using xscreensaver), no graphics |
| 22:45.41 | Guerin | Stroganoff: configure xscreensaver |
| 22:45.42 | ledet | wd: same as with smbfs mount -t cifs //server/crap /mnt/crap |
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| 22:46.19 | Doug52392 | Do I need a SWAP partition? I have 1gb RAM. |
| 22:46.26 | ledet | Doug52392: yes |
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| 22:46.36 | NetEcho | where does debian install the apache controls to stop and start apache? |
| 22:46.45 | Doug52392 | What does the Bootable flag do? |
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| 22:47.01 | ledet | netdrake: try /etc/init.d/apache2 restart|start|stop|reload |
| 22:47.10 | ledet | NetEcho: whoop, that was for you |
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| 22:47.27 | Eulex | Doug52392, for linux based systems, it does nothing. only windows cares about it. |
| 22:47.48 | Doug52392 | I have Windows and Linux here |
| 22:47.49 | NetEcho | ledet thanks |
| 22:48.14 | Doug52392 | I'll keep it off |
| 22:48.16 | Eulex | Doug52392, windows needs its own bootable partition(s) to be set to bootable. linux doesn't care. |
| 22:48.38 | wd | ledet, wow. ok. |
| 22:48.42 | Doug52392 | Can I have 2 LVM partitions? |
| 22:48.56 | Doug52392 | I have Fedora on another LVM partition |
| 22:49.39 | Nyle | why? |
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| 22:49.58 | Doug52392 | What do I select to make a SWAP partition for Mount point? None? |
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| 22:50.13 | Guerin | Stroganoff: i think there's one for swap |
| 22:50.16 | Guerin | bah |
| 22:50.35 | ledet | Doug52392: you swap partition should be set to "swap" type that shouldnt be mounted as anything... |
| 22:50.39 | Stroganoff | Guerin: i've configured it to blank the screen with: xscreensaver-command -activate |
| 22:50.42 | Nyle | !swap |
| 22:50.42 | dpkg | hmm... swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a swap file and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Swapping_in_Linux |
| 22:50.53 | Stroganoff | Guerin but powersaved seems to invoke it with some different command |
| 22:50.58 | Doug52392 | swap area? |
| 22:51.01 | Nyle | did someone modify this |
| 22:51.05 | Nyle | !factinfo swap |
| 22:51.05 | dpkg | swap -- created by Nyle- <n=ajavid@ool-45726513.dyn.optonline.net> at Thu Feb 21 21:49:19 2008 (51 days); it has been requested 10 times, last by Nyle, 23s ago. |
| 22:51.19 | Guerin | Stroganoff: ok. You can edit the explicit commands powersaved uses by editing the files in /etc/powersaved/ |
| 22:51.37 | Nyle | ledet, ^^ |
| 22:51.38 | Doug52392 | So i don't need it if I have enough RAM (1gb) |
| 22:51.44 | Guerin | Doug52392: depends. |
| 22:51.46 | Stroganoff | Guerin i'm browsing through these files for quite some time now. nevermind. browsing some more ;) |
| 22:51.57 | Nyle | ledet, don't have to have a swap partition actually |
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| 22:52.14 | Guerin | Stroganoff: i can't remember the details, sorry. I can remember it's a bit tricky. |
| 22:52.21 | Doug52392 | I created a 707mb swap, just in case :) |
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| 22:52.59 | beardy | I'd want that, with rice.. |
| 22:53.45 | Stroganoff | Guerin how embarrassing. there's "SCREENSAVER_BLANKONLY="" |
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| 22:54.05 | ledet | Nyle: no, but for a beginner, just setting a swap partition is a lot easier than creating a swap-file manually later on... |
| 22:54.12 | Guerin | Stroganoff: heh |
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| 22:56.13 | Doug52392 | Do I install the base system then download the rest through the netinstall CD? |
| 22:56.56 | jstephenson | Mm ... if I hit 'x' in top I ain't seeing any highlighting :P. Is this a limitation of Putty? |
| 22:57.07 | Doug52392 | what kernel should i install? |
| 22:57.09 | beardy | Doug52392: Sort of. You mix it a bit. You download the netinstall cd, then install the base system using it, then download and install the packages you want. |
| 22:57.42 | Doug52392 | i hae linux-image-2.6-686 and 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 22:57.58 | Doug52392 | as options |
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| 22:58.04 | beardy | Doug52392: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 22:59.51 | Doug52392 | Now select and install software? |
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| 23:02.07 | pingouin | the rm command allows me to exclude some directory ? or files in directory ? i dont see anything about it in the man, exept the -i which can be pretty long.... |
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| 23:02.26 | pingouin | or there is something else than rm to do that ? |
| 23:03.39 | samo | hi, i'm trying to install the nvidia driver in lenny following this tutorial http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-284082fa9cb8ee1654a131179e48c00a5e6fecd5 but it fails saying : installation of the nvidia-kernel-source failed |
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| 23:03.53 | samo | apt-cache search nvidia-kernel-source brings no result |
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| 23:04.16 | samo | i enabled contrib and non-free in sources.list, what do i miss ? |
| 23:04.51 | azeem | samo: you're running testing? |
| 23:05.00 | azeem | oh, you just said that |
| 23:05.07 | azeem | it's not in testing currently |
| 23:05.22 | samo | azeem, hmm, any alternative? |
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| 23:06.12 | Tramp | pingouin: you could use the file command to select/exclude files, then --exec(dir) rm (after checking with ls first) |
| 23:06.13 | pingouin | samo: use the drivers on nvidia.com and just do an sh nvidia-driver-version , if you have a stock kernel install the headers for it |
| 23:06.29 | pingouin | Tramp: ok, i give a try to this |
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| 23:06.58 | samo | pingouin, i read a few times about stock kernel researchign this... what does it mean? |
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| 23:07.10 | azeem | pingouin: don't recommend the nvidia.com drivers in here, pelase |
| 23:07.12 | azeem | please* |
| 23:07.13 | pingouin | samo: did you build your own kernel ? |
| 23:07.18 | samo | pingouin, i also tried what you suggested but this time ran into an error regarding the gcc version |
| 23:07.21 | azeem | samo: install the package from unstable, or backport it |
| 23:07.41 | samo | azeem, okay, does it mean i add the reference to unstable in my sources.list ? |
| 23:07.48 | azeem | samo: better not |
| 23:07.59 | azeem | either manually install it, or do a simple sid backport |
| 23:08.02 | azeem | !simple sid backport |
| 23:08.02 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 23:08.32 | pingouin | samo: what the log told you after the gcc error ? |
| 23:08.39 | samo | !backports |
| 23:08.39 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 23:08.45 | pingouin | there is an log about the installation of drivers |
| 23:08.58 | azeem | samo: there's no backports for testing |
| 23:09.35 | pingouin | azeem: sorry did not know about this rule |
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| 23:12.00 | mib_wlfwyn | !fortune |
| 23:12.00 | dpkg | fortune is, like, a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement |
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| 23:13.10 | samo | azeem, i am trying the backport method follwing the instructions you sent... thanks |
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| 23:13.39 | mib_wlfwyn | !fortune |
| 23:13.39 | dpkg | it has been said that fortune is a program to produce a semi-random semi-witty statement |
| 23:13.49 | azeem | mib_wlfwyn: please /msg the bot |
| 23:13.52 | azeem | samo: also /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
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| 23:21.38 | Doug52392 | Now that I've partitioned the disks, set users/passwords, installed base system, and installled software, do I just click "Continue without bootloader" to not touch the MBR or Fedora's version of GRUB (I want to use the version of GRUB that I got with Fedora) |
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| 23:22.39 | Doug52392 | I'm installing Debian with the netinstall CD |
| 23:23.00 | Doug52392 | Anyone? |
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| 23:24.00 | pingouin | i guess you have to leave it alone, if you want to keep the fedora one |
| 23:24.24 | pingouin | but you'll have to edit the fedora one, to make it see the debian you've installed |
| 23:24.37 | Doug52392 | I know |
| 23:24.45 | nvz | chroot |
| 23:24.47 | Doug52392 | So I clikc COntinue without Bootloader? |
| 23:24.47 | pingouin | so.... Continue without bootloader |
| 23:24.52 | Doug52392 | ok, thanks |
| 23:25.12 | nvz | mount the fedora and chroot and edit the grub file |
| 23:25.37 | nvz | then run grub-install before you reboot |
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| 23:26.18 | jotham | i think i did something wrong with my ipchains, any idea why i can't connect to one of my subnets? sendto in send_ip_packet: sendto(5, packet, 44, 0, 10.1.1.8, 16) => Operation not permitted |
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| 23:27.38 | Doug52392 | Well, I can boot my computer now (last time I installed Debian, the bootloader screwed up and deleted the MBR). I'm booting into Fedora now, exactly what do I put into my grub config file? |
| 23:29.01 | \amethyst | jotham: what kind of packet is it you're trying to send? |
| 23:29.22 | jotham | \amethyst: well just pinging at the moment, but also connecting using smb |
| 23:29.37 | \amethyst | jotham: and they both give operation not permitted? |
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| 23:29.52 | jotham | yep |
| 23:29.52 | \amethyst | jotham: if you're trying to send pings (ICMP packets) as non-root, that's your problem |
| 23:29.54 | Doug52392 | anyone? |
| 23:30.20 | jotham | i am super user |
| 23:30.21 | \amethyst | jotham: no clue then if SMB isn't working, too :( |
| 23:30.27 | \amethyst | someone else might kno |
| 23:30.28 | \amethyst | w |
| 23:30.32 | jotham | i think it's misconfigured ipchains |
| 23:30.34 | pingouin | Doug52392: i dont want to tell you bullshit, but maybe boot on your fedora, and update the grub, i think there is command to do it |
| 23:30.39 | jotham | but i am an ignorant bitch |
| 23:31.12 | pingouin | Doug52392: if not, edit the menu.list, copy a working section of the fedora, and adapt it to your hd where you've installed the debian |
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| 23:31.47 | pingouin | and keep a rescue cd on the left ;) |
| 23:32.05 | Doug52392 | Do I use the same vmlinuz kernel I use to boot Fedora? |
| 23:32.11 | pingouin | no |
| 23:32.15 | pingouin | the debian one |
| 23:32.28 | Doug52392 | Where can I find it? |
| 23:32.43 | pingouin | you have to point your grub where you've installed the debian / |
| 23:32.52 | nvz | Doug52392: mine looks like this |
| 23:33.04 | nvz | titleDebian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.18-6-k7/root(hd0,0)/kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-k7 root=/dev/hda1 ro /initrd/boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-6-k7/savedefault/ |
| 23:33.32 | Doug52392 | I mounted the partition where Debian is, do I just copy the vmlinuz and initrd files to the /boot partition? |
| 23:34.37 | nvz | cat /boot/grub/menu.lst | grep -A 4 "kernel 2.6.18-6-k7" | head -n 5 | tr "\n" "/\n" |
| 23:34.42 | nvz | thats actually kinda neat I didnt know I could translate \n to /\n and make it fit on one line like that |
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| 23:37.23 | samo | azeem: thanks a lot for your help, it worked ! |
| 23:37.40 | samo | pingouin, thank you, the problem seems to be solved |
| 23:38.20 | pingouin | fxxxing nvidia drivers.... |
| 23:38.26 | nvz | heh |
| 23:38.42 | pingouin | but how playing UT without.... |
| 23:38.50 | nvz | I should probably install some new nvidia drivers myself |
| 23:38.57 | Doug52392 | you play UT? |
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| 23:39.09 | pingouin | UT2k4 and ETQW |
| 23:39.10 | nvz | I'm using some really old legacy driver right now that is for this TNT2 |
| 23:39.16 | Doug52392 | Do you know when (or if) UT3 for Linux will come out? |
| 23:39.29 | pingouin | Doug52392: in december....2007 |
| 23:39.33 | nvz | I got a 5200FX or something sitting right here on the floor |
| 23:39.51 | pingouin | better than the tnt2 ;) |
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| 23:40.16 | nvz | yeah just the hassle of reconfiguring has kept me from switching it for several months |
| 23:40.42 | nvz | if tdfsb was more entertaining I would probably go for it.. heh |
| 23:41.15 | nvz | I must say though, there's nothing quite like being able to walk through your pr0n folder and see both sides of the images.. heh |
| 23:41.17 | XtypeWriter74 | before /etc/issue is executed , is there a possiblity to clear the screen, so that i have a clean /etc/issue display ? |
| 23:41.20 | pingouin | Doug52392: http://www.phoronix.com http://www.linuxgames.com/ http://www.icculus.org/ can keep you in touch when this fxxxing game will be out |
| 23:41.27 | samo | i can now scroll in iceweasel and it doest "blink"- thanks again to this channel for the good advice |
| 23:41.48 | Doug52392 | Epic recently said they are abandoning the PC market for the console market (ie the broken Xbox) |
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| 23:42.01 | nvz | samo: check the preferences |
| 23:42.27 | nvz | samo: there are different scroll methods if I recall.. and it might just be your video settings *shrug* |
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| 23:46.11 | Tramp | XtypeWriter74: and please don't ask the same question simultanously in different channels |
| 23:46.14 | jotham | i suspect the ethernet card has HIV |
| 23:46.27 | jotham | my iptables looks right |
| 23:47.29 | nvz | grid? |
| 23:47.37 | nvz | hiv doesn't even make sense |
| 23:47.45 | jotham | ok, it has GRIDS |
| 23:47.55 | nvz | I guess neither does grid because its sexless |
| 23:48.12 | nvz | man I have a feeling we can do this all day |
| 23:48.18 | jotham | oh well going to the store to get a new NIC |
| 23:48.19 | XtypeWriter74 | Tramp: why not ? I am looking for help and using all "Tools" are available |
| 23:48.24 | jotham | shakes a tiny fist |
| 23:48.27 | nvz | wanders off to the fridge |
| 23:48.47 | Tramp | XtypeWriter74: Because it is bad etiquette |
| 23:49.04 | pingouin | if there is nobody to mention it ;) |
| 23:49.06 | Doug52392 | I can't boot Debian, whenever I try booting, it says "Cannot mount selected partition" |
| 23:49.09 | pingouin | it's not bad ;) |
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| 23:49.28 | Doug52392 | never mind |
| 23:49.42 | pingouin | i did not wish to has been jew and the neighboor of some people around 60 years back .... |
| 23:49.48 | Doug52392 | I forogt, root has to be where GRUB is :) |
| 23:50.12 | Doug52392 | new problem: Failed to start the X Server |
| 23:50.38 | mbroeker | XtypeWriter74, there is a way |
| 23:50.42 | Doug52392 | The dionostics say: Fatal server error: no screens found |
| 23:50.50 | Doug52392 | what do I do? |
| 23:50.57 | christoz | Hello can anyone tell me what are the advantages between debian and it's child ubuntu? |
| 23:51.11 | asg | Doug52392: /msg dpkg no screens found |
| 23:51.12 | XtypeWriter74 | Tramp: If you are so willing to write on this subject, what about my actual 'issue' since i still havent havent really found out how to manage it ( hm, /etc/profile ) no clue on that either. |
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| 23:51.16 | christoz | a vs convertation |
| 23:51.20 | pingouin | Doug52392: /var/log/Xorg.0.log the have more information |
| 23:51.23 | asg | christoz: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 23:51.31 | christoz | what? |
| 23:51.38 | mbroeker | XtypeWriter74, mv /etc/issue issue.orig && printf "\e[2J\e[H" > /etc/issue && cat issue.orig >> /etc/issue |
| 23:51.44 | pingouin | Doug52392: you'll have to configure your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:51.55 | Tramp | XtypeWriter74: see - I answered your question in ##linux, but you seem to have missed it |
| 23:51.57 | pingouin | to suits your graphic card |
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| 23:52.38 | XtypeWriter74 | lol |
| 23:52.41 | XtypeWriter74 | ok |
| 23:53.07 | pingouin | Doug52392: by the way what is your graphic card |
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| 23:53.25 | Doug52392 | I have a nVidia 8600GT. The driver indicated in the log file seems to say the current (default) driver only goes up to the 7000 series |
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| 23:53.51 | pingouin | Doug52392: do you have troubles with it when you're on fedora ? |
| 23:54.17 | Doug52392 | yes |
| 23:54.36 | pingouin | you have to install some drivers for this board |
| 23:54.42 | Doug52392 | I had to use a custom driver from a different site instead of the regular driver |
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| 23:54.58 | Doug52392 | is there a generic driver i could use to just get into X? |
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| 23:55.06 | pingouin | nv maybe |
| 23:55.15 | Doug52392 | thats what it's using now |
| 23:55.36 | pingouin | :/ |
| 23:55.48 | pingouin | etch ? |
| 23:55.51 | pingouin | lenny ? |
| 23:55.54 | pingouin | sid ? |
| 23:56.03 | Doug52392 | etch |
| 23:56.16 | LimCore | which linux distro is most bug free, and allows to quickly use another version of application if given version is borked? |
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| 23:56.36 | pingouin | LimCore: lfs ;) |
| 23:56.46 | Doug52392 | Is there a generic driver i could use, like one that works for everything? |
| 23:56.50 | LimCore | PiousMinion: _quickly_ |
| 23:57.05 | pingouin | missed ;) |
| 23:57.42 | LimCore | pingouin: ^ |
| 23:57.47 | pingouin | Doug52392: sorry i dont know which driver allow that, i got an nvidia board...i know it's evil, but i use they drivers... |
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| 23:58.12 | PiousMinion | grr. :P |
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| 23:58.33 | pingouin | Doug52392: so you have to download those drivers from they web site (it's ok like that azeem ? ) |
| 23:59.01 | pingouin | Doug52392: you'll have to install also the headers for your kernel and check you have all the stuff to build (gcc etc...) |
| 23:59.09 | Stroganoff | is it normal that the following process is running all the time? dhclient3 -e IF_METRIC=100 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0 |
| 23:59.10 | pingouin | and then install the drivers |
| 23:59.46 | pingouin | Stroganoff: kill it ! you'll know fast if it's usefull or not |
