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| 00:00.00 | andrboot | ouch @ curtmack |
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| 00:00.17 | themill | curtmack: twice? |
| 00:00.26 | curtmack | themill: it doesn't ask for a second time |
| 00:00.28 | curtmack | only asks once |
| 00:00.35 | themill | curtmack: for the grub password? |
| 00:00.37 | curtmack | that's why I'm blaming this on the installer designer |
| 00:00.39 | curtmack | themill: yes |
| 00:01.02 | curtmack | and don't argue, because the point is it plain and simply didn't |
| 00:01.04 | themill | curtmack: hmm... thought it did. Run reportbug when you're back up and running ;) |
| 00:01.06 | curtmack | ask a second time that is |
| 00:01.15 | curtmack | which is unlikely |
| 00:01.24 | themill | curtmack: sounds like a bug that wants fixing. |
| 00:01.32 | curtmack | because I have to edit the GRUB entry to get it up and running |
| 00:01.46 | curtmack | wait |
| 00:01.50 | andrboot | lol |
| 00:02.01 | curtmack | is it possible to modify the GRUB entry from ash? |
| 00:02.14 | soblue | themill: so there's no way around it? other than setting a password that doesn't use those keys? |
| 00:03.02 | themill | soblue: none that I know of, but there might be a gnome-ish knob that you can twiddle deep down in gconf... you might need to ask the gnome people. |
| 00:03.02 | curtmack | if so I think I can get out of this situation |
| 00:03.18 | soblue | themill: mmm. good point. |
| 00:03.28 | soblue | I'll head over there, thanks. |
| 00:03.58 | themill | andrboot: I'm guessing that you've got oldish information in your packages db. aptitude update && apt-get -f install *might* solve things for you. |
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| 00:04.39 | andrboot | does it matter that i running lenny? |
| 00:05.01 | themill | andrboot: dmm normally supports lenny quite well too |
| 00:05.10 | andrboot | kk |
| 00:05.35 | themill | andrboot: although see the first entry on the dmm website |
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| 00:06.28 | andrboot | themill: dopes this help? lol http://pb.udderweb.com/265 |
| 00:06.49 | Miesco | Is there a ajax/java interface for your computer? |
| 00:07.00 | Miesco | Like to see your desktop |
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| 00:07.41 | curtmack | what package would that bug fall under |
| 00:07.43 | curtmack | ? |
| 00:07.59 | curtmack | the whole GRUB thing I mean |
| 00:08.25 | torrrrr | anyone knows how 'ip route' and 'ip rule' settings are saved? |
| 00:08.26 | curtmack | with the installer not asking for the GRUB password twice |
| 00:08.26 | themill | andrboot: did you apt-get -f install? |
| 00:08.38 | Miesco | Like a java applet to VNC maybe? |
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| 00:10.01 | themill | !dbugs 321109 |
| 00:10.05 | dpkg | #321109:N[grub-installer] no confirm password window; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:03:02 UTC |
| 00:10.06 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 00:10.42 | karmatronic | silly question: how to extend a /usr partition if it s on a LV ? |
| 00:10.45 | curtmack | ah okay |
| 00:10.48 | curtmack | you already did it |
| 00:10.54 | andrboot | themill: http://pb.udderweb.com/266 |
| 00:11.03 | themill | curtmack: no, it was already there. |
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| 00:11.22 | karmatronic | since the tools for extending are in /usr and unmuonting is required .... |
| 00:11.48 | curtmack | so this was fixed a while ago? |
| 00:11.59 | curtmack | and the patch hasn't made it into the most recent Lenny distro? |
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| 00:12.14 | curtmack | seriously, I downloaded the ISO this afternoon. |
| 00:12.28 | themill | curtmack: no, the available fixes break preseeding and it was felt preseeding was more important than grub passwords for the time being. |
| 00:12.46 | curtmack | ah |
| 00:12.49 | curtmack | well that's nice |
| 00:12.54 | curtmack | someone tell me how to fix my computer T_T |
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| 00:13.09 | curtmack | can you change a GRUB menu entry from ash? |
| 00:13.18 | curtmack | and if so, how |
| 00:13.18 | cobol | has anyone here used lftp? |
| 00:13.21 | cobol | to mirror? |
| 00:13.52 | themill | andrboot: a dist-upgrade might fix that, else dpkg -r the offending packages and then reinstall them using aptitude or apt-get. |
| 00:14.17 | andrboot | themill this is a "fresH' install of lenny as of yesterday... |
| 00:14.19 | themill | andrboot: it seems that the versions you've got installed are inconsistent. |
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| 00:15.14 | themill | andrboot: dmm has a harder job tracking lenny because lenny is a moving target. It's possible you just got bitten by that and it will be solved by the dmm people soon. |
| 00:15.17 | torrrrr | how do I save 'ip route' setup? |
| 00:16.17 | themill | late, tired. |
| 00:16.19 | andrboot | okas themill going to see how it goes.. :) thanks |
| 00:16.21 | themill | => bed |
| 00:16.22 | andrboot | they removed okas |
| 00:16.32 | themill | andrboot: good luck with it ;) |
| 00:16.35 | andrboot | don't blame you themill :p |
| 00:17.24 | curtmack | okay seriously people, is it possible to modify a GRUB entry from within ash and, if so, how do I do it? |
| 00:17.32 | themill | andrboot: at least you're sunny-side-up over in .au. It's 01:15 here... :( |
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| 00:18.20 | themill | !g'night |
| 00:18.21 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
| 00:19.00 | andrboot | themill.. i am suppose to work.. im on call.. sucky :( |
| 00:19.00 | andrboot | lol |
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| 00:27.34 | soblue | the gnome channel's FAQ link lead me to how I can change the keyboard layout from the keyboard itself... http://gnomefaq.miskellaneous.com/index.php?title=Input_Language |
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| 00:29.19 | soblue | so anyone else with the multiple-keyboard layout screen locking problem should read that. I think the person I was talking to left already, but if not... |
| 00:30.37 | soblue | and that's my two cents.. bye all |
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| 00:33.07 | laplace | hi guys, |
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| 00:33.29 | lastnode | hi laplace |
| 00:33.53 | laplace | does any one knos the name of the configiratio of Xorg where you use a single PC and more than one monitor/keyboard/mouse ? |
| 00:34.25 | lastnode | im afraid i dont, do you know the technical term for it though? |
| 00:34.54 | laplace | niet.. i am trying to find it out.. so i can google about it.. |
| 00:35.08 | torrrrr | anyone knwos what post-up in /etc/network/interfaces syntax is? |
| 00:35.26 | lastnode | torrrrr: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:35.33 | lastnode | laplace: then sorry mate :( try some mad googling |
| 00:35.48 | laplace | jaja. thanks dude. |
| 00:35.54 | torrrrr | lastnode: I try to run my ip route commands |
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| 00:36.40 | lastnode | torrrrr: i see, you can start with /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 00:40.46 | bob489 | hello.. i just installed from etch... i didn't have a network connection availible during install so i skipped that section |
| 00:40.53 | curtmack | okay |
| 00:41.06 | bob489 | for do i go back and install networking w/o having to reload the whole thing? |
| 00:41.13 | XtypeWriter74 | is it possible to start script in /etc/motd such as a script to start i.e fluxbox, if so how do i point to the script?? /etc/profile.d has been i suggestion where to add scripts, i only have /etc/profile |
| 00:41.56 | Srart | Hey folks, I need help setting up dhcp from my laptop to get my desktop working. My wlan0 is 192.168.2.8 and connected to my wireless router, my nic is eth1 and I'm trying to get that to serve dhcp to my desktop. |
| 00:42.16 | bob489 | *how do i? |
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| 00:42.50 | bob489 | anyone? |
| 00:42.56 | stew | bob489: man interfaces |
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| 00:43.04 | Srart | bob489: are you plugged into a wired connection? |
| 00:43.11 | bob489 | not atm... |
| 00:43.17 | bob489 | but i can be |
| 00:43.31 | bob489 | i thought i would be able to configure it later |
| 00:43.48 | curtmack | okay, got it working again |
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| 00:44.09 | XtypeWriter74 | bob489 you are able to reconfigure it |
| 00:44.15 | curtmack | is it... bad to have a full screen of "ac97 codec read TIMEOUT [blahblahblahhexstuff]!!!" |
| 00:44.21 | curtmack | during startup I mean |
| 00:44.25 | Srart | you can, it's pretty easy if your attaching to a router harder if it's dsl. |
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| 00:45.00 | Srart | and much harder if it's dial-up |
| 00:45.10 | bob489 | KtypeWriter94: how do i reconfigure? |
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| 00:45.26 | XtypeWriter74 | bob489 press tab to cancel, when ever you are able to " cancel " and follow cancel back till you can reconfigure networksetup ...... |
| 00:45.43 | stew | bob489: man interfaces |
| 00:46.02 | XtypeWriter74 | bob489: oh you are finished with install ? |
| 00:46.10 | bob489 | yes |
| 00:46.15 | Baloo | LVM is neat... |
| 00:46.25 | bob489 | i already rebooted |
| 00:46.42 | Srart | bob489: give us some more info, are you connecting to a cable modem, dsl, dialup, or a router? |
| 00:46.52 | bob489 | router |
| 00:47.12 | stew | bob489: you configure networking in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:47.14 | bob489 | there is no ifconfig installed or anything though |
| 00:47.19 | XtypeWriter74 | bob489: # nano /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:47.38 | stew | bob489: ifconfig is intstalled |
| 00:47.47 | XtypeWriter74 | bob489: did you try # ifconfig |
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| 00:49.33 | curtmack | bob489: run it as root |
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| 00:51.41 | bob489 | never mind... it is my nic... its buted |
| 00:51.44 | bob489 | *busted |
| 00:51.49 | bob489 | thanks though |
| 00:51.53 | stew | bob489: how do you know? |
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| 00:53.29 | curtmack | Does anybody know what "ac97 codec read TIMEOUT!!!" means? |
| 00:53.29 | torrrrr | I do ifdown eth0, and it say eth0 is not configuered, but ifconfig show eth0 |
| 00:53.42 | torrrrr | why? |
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| 00:54.09 | stew | torrrrr: becuase eth0 wasn't brought up by |
| 00:54.17 | stew | torrrrr: ...by 'ifup eth0' |
| 00:54.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | torrrrr, because you remoed it fron your config file after ifuping it |
| 00:55.02 | LinuxNIT | does samba automatically import all system users into its database during installation? |
| 00:55.22 | torrrrr | stew: I did /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 00:55.32 | stew | if it were that it was removed from the config the error would be "unkown interface",not "not configured" |
| 00:55.34 | torrrrr | stew: this ddn't bother eth1 |
| 00:56.17 | stew | torrrrr: show us /etc/network/interfaces ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 00:56.31 | torrrrr | stew: I mean ifdown eth1 works |
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| 00:59.02 | torrrrr | http://pastebin.com/m585e83c1 |
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| 01:00.01 | torrrrr | stew: I posted a pastbin for you |
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| 01:01.59 | stew | torrrrr: are you hoping that '/etc/init.d/networking restart' would bring eth0 up? |
| 01:02.27 | torrrrr | stew: I guess I am. |
| 01:02.34 | torrrrr | stew: I thought it was |
| 01:02.49 | stew | torrrrr: then change "allow-hotplug eth0" to "auto eth0" |
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| 01:03.03 | torrrrr | since it is up, but from your question maybe itwastnt |
| 01:04.30 | stew | torrrrr: it doesn't matter if it is up or not. if it was not brought up by "ifup eth0" (which is what would be run by /etc/init.d/networking) then you will get the error message you are getting |
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| 01:04.50 | XtypeWriter74 | is it possible to start script in /etc/motd such as a script to start i.e fluxbox, if so how would i insert the script ?? /etc/profile.d has been i suggestion where to add scripts, i only have /etc/profile |
| 01:05.10 | torrrrr | stew: how do I bring it down then? and what did bring it up? |
| 01:05.22 | torrrrr | (it is up) |
| 01:05.37 | stew | torrrrr: 'ifconfig eth0 down' i don't know what brought it up |
| 01:05.38 | torrrrr | (and I get an error now on restart) |
| 01:05.43 | XtypeWriter74 | # ifdown eth0 will bring it down |
| 01:05.56 | stew | XtypeWriter74: no, it wouldn't |
| 01:06.12 | XtypeWriter74 | oh, srry |
| 01:06.26 | XtypeWriter74 | i thought he brought it up with ifup |
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| 01:06.42 | Farhad | hi guys, how i can make affix compression? from .wl file |
| 01:06.47 | stew | XtypeWriter74: this all started becuase ifdown eth0 isn't bringing it down |
| 01:06.58 | torrrrr | OK , |
| 01:07.02 | torrrrr | no errors now |
| 01:07.05 | XtypeWriter74 | ok |
| 01:07.06 | torrrrr | Thanks stew |
| 01:07.11 | XtypeWriter74 | cool |
| 01:07.23 | torrrrr | stew: btw - is my ip route look ok? |
| 01:07.51 | torrrrr | (I mean it seem to function but maybe I miss an error) |
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| 01:09.18 | stew | torrrrr: i dont' know what is in if-up.d (but, you know. if you just name that file something that is run-parts compliant you don't need the post-up, since it wiould be run automatically) |
| 01:09.45 | stew | torrrrr: you have more than one "gateway". you can only have one default gateway per routing table, so choose which one should send to the default gateway |
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| 01:12.00 | torrrrr | stew: I saw it at if-up.d at a howto and they said it together with writing the post-up, though it does look funny |
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| 01:12.40 | torrrrr | stew: I thought the gateway is part of each interface |
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| 01:13.50 | torrrrr | stew: when I do ifup, doesn't it run everything next to the interface definition icluding the gateway? And if not then can I put the gateway anywhere in the file? |
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| 01:14.36 | Francesco | Tell me please powerful two-panel file manage with many features, like Total Commander for Windows. |
| 01:14.58 | stew | Francesco: gentoo if you want gui or mc for curses |
| 01:15.29 | Francesco | gentoo is a file manager? I thought it is a distro |
| 01:15.40 | stew | torrrrr: yes, it runs everything. but having more than one with a gateway entry is wrong, since you can only have one default gateway, so remove the gateway entry from one or the other |
| 01:15.45 | curtmack | hmm |
| 01:15.48 | stew | Francesco: it is both. apt-cache show gentoo |
| 01:15.54 | curtmack | wait a second here... |
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| 01:17.51 | torrrrr | stew: OK, I don't understand it, but I did it |
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| 01:18.00 | torrrrr | stew: removed one gateway |
| 01:18.11 | torrrrr | stew: thanks |
| 01:18.33 | torrrrr | go to sleep |
| 01:18.44 | curtmack | why isn't there a linux-headers-2.6.22-4-i386? |
| 01:19.57 | SerajewelKS | what tool could i use to connect to a bluetooth device as a non-root user? |
| 01:20.30 | stew | curtmack: there is a -486 or a -686, there has never been a -i386, but there used to be -386 kernels but since 386 insn't supported anymore, debian stopped shipping them |
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| 01:26.22 | SerajewelKS | i basically just want to try connecting to a device and tell whether the connection is possible |
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| 01:27.46 | SerajewelKS | hcitool requires you to be root to connect, and doesn't seem to use exit codes to indicate failure |
| 01:28.19 | pgpkeys | trying to remember what the command is in bash to echo out the exit code of the last app that ran |
| 01:28.35 | SerajewelKS | echo $? |
| 01:28.41 | pgpkeys | probably |
| 01:28.51 | pgpkeys | sec |
| 01:29.04 | pgpkeys | yeah that be it |
| 01:29.15 | pgpkeys | tested here (I run bash if that helps) |
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| 01:29.32 | SerajewelKS | helps what? |
| 01:29.34 | huzzaj | how do you make a room |
| 01:29.39 | SerajewelKS | !room |
| 01:29.39 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 01:29.47 | Penix | huzzaj: join it |
| 01:29.49 | huzzaj | channel |
| 01:29.58 | lastnode | whe m-a builds a kernel module, where does it put the deb? |
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| 01:30.20 | lastnode | huzzaj: /join #whatever |
| 01:30.43 | pgpkeys | SerajewelKS: every application gives an exit code. i don't remember ever seeing one that doesn't. even if the system defaults to 0 as an implicit exit. |
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| 01:31.47 | SerajewelKS | pgpkeys: yes i know that |
| 01:31.47 | Francesco | where does apt-get cache archives? |
| 01:31.57 | SerajewelKS | pgpkeys: i'm saying that hcitool seems to always exit with 0, which is not useful to me |
| 01:31.59 | stew | SerajewelKS: you can pair things with bluetooth-applet if you can do gnome applets |
| 01:32.20 | SerajewelKS | stew: i need to, from a script, tell if i can connect to something |
| 01:32.34 | XtypeWriter74 | I use a script i call (xvesaflux: #!bin/sh    Xvesa -ac -screen 800x600x16 r & DISPLAY=:0 fluxbox ) , i would like to start it after user log in without have to write $ ./xvesaflux i hear it is possible and i must add it to /etc/profile but i havent a clue how to |
| 01:32.35 | pgpkeys | SerajewelKS: ahh, my fault I seem to have missed the boat on what was being said. my bad |
| 01:32.44 | Penix | Francesco: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 01:32.48 | SerajewelKS | pgpkeys: np, i've done that many times too |
| 01:32.51 | benjamindees | Francesco, /var/cache/apt/beaten |
| 01:33.00 | Penix | !lose benjamindees |
| 01:33.01 | dpkg | benjamindees: You Lose. |
| 01:33.21 | SerajewelKS | stew: "hcitool name" seems to work ok to just tell if the device is in range |
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| 01:34.23 | SerajewelKS | stew: basically, i have this shell script that i use as an alarm clock. cron fires it off and it uses amixer to put the volume at 90% and blast Spin Doctors at me. i'm modifying it so that it will not play the alarm if it can't see my palm, because that means i'm probably not in my room and i don't want to loop a song at that volume for my neighbors to enjoy until i get back. :) |
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| 01:35.40 | Supaplex | !spin SerajewelKS |
| 01:35.43 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 01:37.27 | SerajewelKS | ? |
| 01:37.36 | huzzaj | how do you get people to join the channel anyone no |
| 01:37.56 | SerajewelKS | huzzaj: you bribe them with naked women |
| 01:38.18 | huzzaj | lol |
| 01:38.28 | SerajewelKS | huzzaj: this is #debian, not #irc101 |
| 01:38.36 | huzzaj | can they see my channel when tehy go tochannels |
| 01:39.01 | Srart | O.K. I'll try again, I need help setting up dhcp from my laptop to get my desktop working. My wlan0 is 192.168.2.8 and connected to my wireless router, my nic is eth1 and I'm trying to get that to serve dhcp to my desktop. |
| 01:39.07 | stew | huzzaj: please go to #freenode for help using the irc network |
| 01:39.15 | huzzaj | kk |
| 01:39.22 | stew | Srart: have you installed a dhcp server? |
| 01:39.31 | SerajewelKS | Srart: look at the dnsmasq package |
| 01:39.41 | SerajewelKS | Srart: it's pretty nifty, i use it for my LAN in my dorm room |
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| 01:40.00 | hikenboot | which debian package provides chroot I find dchroot and schroot but no chroot |
| 01:40.03 | Srart | stew, yes, I've had it working before, but I lost my dhcpd.conf |
| 01:41.15 | Penix | hikenboot: coreutils, which you already have |
| 01:41.20 | Penix | hikenboot: /usr/sbin/chroot |
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| 01:41.58 | hikenboot | Penix I installed a minimal system so it didnt ...thanks for the info |
| 01:42.24 | Penix | hikenboot: doesn't matter what type of installation you chose, you've still got coreutils |
| 01:42.32 | Penix | everyone does |
| 01:42.51 | hikenboot | your right it was installed but i get bash: chroot: command not found |
| 01:44.18 | SerajewelKS | hikenboot: are you root? |
| 01:45.13 | Srart | stew: I think my biggest problem is the router line, should that be the ip of wlan0? |
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| 01:46.37 | stew | Srart: whatever ip you want the clien to use as its default gateway |
| 01:46.54 | hikenboot | somthing about my bind proc and or dev is causing it |
| 01:47.12 | Penix | hikenboot: go read some basic chroot documentation first |
| 01:47.18 | Srart | stew: that would be the Inet facing ip, right? |
| 01:47.57 | stew | Srart: no, it would be the inward facing ip of the machine that has a inet facing interface |
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| 01:52.08 | Srart | stew: is that in the /etc/dhcp/dhcpd on the inet machine? |
| 01:52.21 | Srart | dhcpd.conf |
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| 01:53.13 | DaveDorm | ack |
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| 01:53.47 | chenxiao | hello! |
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| 01:54.42 | stew | Srart: there should only be one dhcpd.conf which is the one on the dhcp server |
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| 01:56.55 | Srart | stew: ok, thats right, and the inward facing interface should be static? |
| 01:57.37 | stew | Srart: yes |
| 01:57.41 | Srart | address 192.168.3.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.2.8 |
| 01:58.33 | stew | Srart: you can't have the gateway outside of the subnet |
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| 02:02.39 | Srart | oh, now I'm confused, I thought that was the whole idea. with wlan being 192.168.2.8 and getting the internet on it, what would I need to change? |
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| 02:04.35 | hansengel | Hi, would this be the right place to ask about apt-get? |
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| 02:05.28 | abrotman | hansengel: for debian? |
| 02:05.39 | hansengel | abrotman: Yes. |
| 02:05.44 | abrotman | then yes |
| 02:06.19 | hansengel | well, actually I'm using it on Ubuntu, but IIRC Debian created it? |
| 02:06.26 | hansengel | anyway.. |
| 02:07.38 | hansengel | I'm trying to install the 'giggle' package, and it has a dependency on 'git-core'. The problem is this: I have Git built from source on my machine, so if I installed from a package there would be big problems. Is there some way I can force apt-get to ignore dependencies and only install what I request? |
| 02:08.11 | pinto3 | i haven't seen an apt-get ignoreance option, but dpkg has one |
| 02:08.17 | pinto3 | if you could grab the .deb file |
| 02:08.28 | abrotman | hansengel: then you ask #ubuntu |
| 02:08.49 | hansengel | okay |
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| 02:10.37 | stew | Srart: if the network that the client is on is 192.168.3.0/24 then it can't talk to 192.168.2.8, you either need to move 192.168.2.8 be in 192.168.3.0/24 or you need to expand the subnet to something like 192.168.0.0/16 |
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| 02:32.30 | Kevin` | is there a debian package for the vmware tools userland/drivers? |
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| 02:37.30 | craigevil | !vmware-package |
| 02:37.30 | dpkg | vmware-package is a Debian <contrib> package - available for lenny and sid - which provides a 'make-vmpkg' utility. This utility can create Debian packages of various VMware products and related software. See also <vmware support>. |
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| 02:39.12 | Kevin` | what should I do for etch |
| 02:39.24 | Supaplex | !simple sid backport |
| 02:39.24 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 02:39.41 | Kevin` | that bot knows too much. |
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| 02:42.35 | Supaplex | !status |
| 02:42.36 | dpkg | Since Sun Apr 13 11:05:02 2008, there have been 4 modifications, 164 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 32 commands. I have been awake for 15h 37m 33s this session, and currently reference 38017 factoids. I'm using about 15824 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 57.69/3.36 child 0/0 |
| 02:42.56 | Supaplex | only 38017 factoids. :) |
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| 02:43.15 | craigevil | only |
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| 02:45.37 | ddif | hi,i download the debian-testing.iso,i noticed there is a setup.exe in it,so it is wubi,or something else.the .virtual.disk thing? |
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| 02:47.23 | abrotman | probably for use with windows |
| 02:48.19 | ddif | i know,it supports install debian from windows.not sure if it is wubi,but most likely... |
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| 03:02.33 | johndbritton | ~list-notes |
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| 03:07.33 | greeg | hi |
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| 03:14.04 | greeg | im going to mount a slave hard drive, to a sub dir of the drive that i boot to. is there a way to find out the file system type of a device that is physicially installed but not yet mounted (with out having to boot in that device)? |
| 03:15.21 | abrotman | fdisk -l <device> .. like fdisk -l /dev/sdb |
| 03:15.23 | abrotman | as root |
| 03:16.21 | greeg | ahh thanx |
| 03:17.27 | V4Nelle | guys i try to install madwifi with constructions of madwifi site and i get this in [m-a a-i madwifi] http://pastebin.com/d188f4433 |
| 03:18.43 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 03:18.44 | dpkg | well, madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 03:19.13 | abrotman | V4Nelle: that's not a debian kernel |
| 03:19.44 | V4Nelle | i have compile a 2.6.22 kernel with debian config |
| 03:19.55 | abrotman | apparently not . it's missing wireless support |
| 03:20.09 | abrotman | why wouldn't you use a debiaan kernel? |
| 03:20.10 | V4Nelle | ok.....i will look it again |
| 03:20.11 | V4Nelle | thx |
| 03:20.20 | nsadmin | did you build it with make-kpkg? |
| 03:20.36 | V4Nelle | yes |
| 03:21.01 | nsadmin | ahh, did you build the kernel-headers pkg? |
| 03:21.10 | V4Nelle | yeap |
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| 03:21.30 | abrotman | nsadmin: his kernel isn't configured properly |
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| 03:22.46 | nsadmin | to the point continuing wouln't work? he has to rebuild? |
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| 03:24.38 | abrotman | if he's missing basic wireless support .. |
| 03:25.00 | V4Nelle | right....with old kernel everything work |
| 03:25.44 | abrotman | so you're using a .22 for what reason ? |
| 03:26.39 | V4Nelle | i go to compile a kernel and i use 2.6.22 |
| 03:26.49 | V4Nelle | its better to keep the default you mean? |
| 03:27.17 | abrotman | unless you have a good reason .. yes |
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| 03:30.34 | nsadmin | one thing, you said before "everything work with old kernel" |
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| 03:31.51 | nsadmin | that would tend to be a reason to use the old kernel... and it depends on why you want to compile the new one |
| 03:31.54 | greeg | i successfuly installed linux on two hard drive, and when viewed under fdisk -l, fdisk says --> Disk /dev/sdb1 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
| 03:32.26 | nsadmin | try /dev/sdb |
| 03:32.45 | greeg | nsadmin: well /dev/sdb1 is what i mounted |
| 03:33.23 | nsadmin | yes but fdisk -l <whatever> is looking at the partition table on <whatever> |
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| 03:33.48 | greeg | oh ok |
| 03:34.22 | greeg | so does that mean, sdb is the partition table, and sdb1 is the partition ? |
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| 03:34.34 | simonrvn | sdb is the disk |
| 03:34.45 | nsadmin | so if you say fdisk -l /dev/sdb1 then it wants to read a partition table on that -partition- |
| 03:34.57 | abrotman | no |
| 03:34.59 | abrotman | oh .. yes |
| 03:35.08 | boingolov | I just upgraded to lenny, am not running X on the console. however, cannot get to a login prompt from the machine itsself. can ssh in just fine, all else seems to be working fine, but no getty's are being spawned |
| 03:35.11 | abrotman | thought you were telling him to -l the partition |
| 03:35.11 | boingolov | any thoughts? |
| 03:35.18 | nsadmin | since there isn't one, you get that error :) |
| 03:35.21 | greeg | i am |
| 03:35.22 | boingolov | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:36.15 | nsadmin | that's weird... no gettys on /dev/tty1 etc? |
| 03:36.23 | boingolov | nsadmin, correct |
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| 03:37.02 | boingolov | inittab looks sane |
| 03:37.02 | nsadmin | even if you look at ps aux from a ssh in? |
| 03:37.02 | boingolov | yes |
| 03:37.02 | boingolov | ps auxww even |
| 03:37.03 | nsadmin | widely wide |
| 03:38.00 | nsadmin | what if you kill -HUP 1 |
| 03:38.19 | boingolov | well, I have tried rebooting several times |
| 03:38.30 | boingolov | not sure if init likes to be hup'ed or not ;) |
| 03:38.44 | boingolov | but I did do an init q |
| 03:39.04 | nsadmin | it does respond by rereading its config |
| 03:39.12 | abrotman | are they defined in /etc/inittab ? |
| 03:39.13 | boingolov | init q _should_ do that |
| 03:39.16 | boingolov | yes |
| 03:39.21 | boingolov | I can pastebin inittab |
| 03:40.02 | nsadmin | does dmesg show you going into a runlevel? (or /etc/messages) |
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| 03:40.15 | greeg | anyway, so fdisk says my device is of type Extended. why does it not say ext2 or ext3 precisely ? |
| 03:40.23 | samuel | sup guys |
| 03:40.42 | cybermad | how do i check active user, i try running a cgi.. i need to know what user running that cgi... is there linux command to know active user? |
| 03:41.02 | boingolov | http://pastebin.ca/984351 |
| 03:41.03 | nsadmin | which device is extended? that has a different meaning maybe |
| 03:41.07 | samuel | anyone know of any voice recognition software for gnome/kde that has decent performance for spoken commands? |
| 03:41.15 | greeg | nsadmin: /dev/sdb |
| 03:41.28 | greeg | /dev/sdb2 19366 19457 738990 5 Extended |
| 03:41.48 | boingolov | well, girlfriend just convinced me not to be messing with computer just now... bbl haha |
| 03:42.06 | greeg | and according to mount : /dev/sdb1 on /home/jerware/slave type ext3 (rw) |
| 03:42.18 | nsadmin | that's your extended-dos partition, so named because it is the one contains your logical partitions |
| 03:42.40 | greeg | oh the type that i mounted is of type Linux |
| 03:42.47 | greeg | /dev/sdb1 * 1 19365 155549331 83 Linux |
| 03:42.48 | prolix | cybermad: user ? |
| 03:43.23 | greeg | why does mount say it's of type ext3(and indeed it's correct), and fdisk says it's of type Linux ? |
| 03:43.44 | Tramp | greeg: fdisk doesn't tell you the filesystem. It tells you the partition type |
| 03:44.12 | Tramp | greeg: for the filesystem, try e.g. file -s /dev/sdb1 |
| 03:44.27 | greeg | damn i should find me a tutorial. too much lingo ( "partition type"? ) |
| 03:45.34 | abrotman | fdisk -l should |
| 03:45.47 | abrotman | /dev/hda1 * 1 19380 9767488+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 03:45.53 | abrotman | for example |
| 03:46.13 | abrotman | well .. i guess he's technically right |
| 03:46.18 | abrotman | goes back to watching baseball |
| 03:46.51 | greeg | file -s answered my question. thanx folks. |
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| 03:53.16 | greeg | i got a second hard drive, so i can have linux boot from the master, and have /home mounted from the slave. 2 physical drives now. which is best to have swap on ( to let thrash like hell as needed) ? |
| 03:54.14 | greeg | the one that doesn't share /home, correct ? |
| 03:54.36 | Tramp | it doesn't really matter |
| 03:55.29 | greeg | well i have slow PC and i resort to virtual memory sometime (i hear the hard drive click'n away) |
| 03:55.42 | greeg | virtual memory/swap w/e |
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| 03:57.52 | Tramp | during normal operation (paging out "unused" processes) it doesn't matter. When it starts paging in/out active processes, your machine gets so slow, that it doesn't matter as well - that's at least my experience |
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| 03:59.57 | abrotman | greeg: it's going to depend on what the machine does and where the data is that it needs to get |
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| 04:28.17 | gonzaloaf | hi, why when I try to run a php script from console I receive 'bash: php: command not found', isnt it in the path? |
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| 04:38.14 | civillian | gonzaloaf: whats the first line of your script? |
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| 04:39.26 | gonzaloaf | civillian, even just executing php -v to show the php version I have this result |
| 04:39.43 | _ZeuZ_ | I need to allow a PC under my network to get use of full services, I've heard I can do it with SNAT, by services I mean transfer data through any port and more specifically, allow that PC to use P2P.. How can I do it? |
| 04:39.47 | thedonvaughn | gonzaloaf: you need php4-cli or php5-cli |
| 04:40.09 | gonzaloaf | :o |
| 04:40.19 | gonzaloaf | really? |
| 04:40.57 | gonzaloaf | thedonvaughn, ohh thanks |
| 04:41.10 | thedonvaughn | np |
| 04:41.57 | _ZeuZ_ | (during to lag, I repeat) I need to allow a PC under my network to get use of full services, I've heard I can do it with SNAT, by services I mean transfer data through any port and more specifically, allow that PC to use P2P.. How can I do it? any idea anyone? |
| 04:43.34 | nevyn | Zeit|awy_: install the upnp daemon |
| 04:44.02 | nevyn | this will allow your desktop to request arbitary port forwards. |
| 04:44.15 | _ZeuZ_ | nevyn: I allready tried that, it does not work as intended, you mean linux-igd |
| 04:45.37 | _ZeuZ_ | linux-igd == upnpd |
| 04:45.56 | _ZeuZ_ | either way, how can I check whether a service is running or not? |
| 04:47.30 | nevyn | _ZeuZ_: it doesn't work is the most useless error ever what does it do wrong. |
| 04:47.43 | _ZeuZ_ | Simple |
| 04:47.49 | _ZeuZ_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:48.04 | _ZeuZ_ | just restarted the daemon, and no changes |
| 04:48.29 | nevyn | your application (azurus/whatever) needs to know to send a upnp request |
| 04:49.17 | _ZeuZ_ | Actually, this is not for that kind of P2P, I need to deploy a serie of updates through my own version of P2P (more like P4P) |
| 04:49.27 | _ZeuZ_ | and, I allready included that as part of the source |
| 04:49.34 | _ZeuZ_ | and compilation gave no error |
| 04:49.40 | _ZeuZ_ | nor the tests on virtual PCs |
| 04:49.47 | V4Nelle | where i can find official debian repos? |
| 04:49.59 | _ZeuZ_ | V4Nelle in Debian.org you'll see them... |
| 04:51.57 | ddif | V4Nelle, /msg dpkg repos |
| 04:53.08 | _ZeuZ_ | nevyn: Also, just checked with uTorrent, checked UPNP mapping, and does not forward either. |
| 04:54.06 | snewp | has anyone encountered a problem with console-data in sid ? |
| 04:55.00 | Rat409 | yup,it's unresolved but everything seems to work,was console-data console-common,i DU'd today |
| 04:55.28 | snewp | and some of the apps were removed automatically |
| 04:55.33 | Rat409 | used aptitude,then apt-get -f no joy |
| 04:55.45 | snewp | ok will try |
| 04:56.33 | snewp | still no go |
| 04:56.35 | Rat409 | i'm ignoring it as all seems to work |
| 04:57.15 | snewp | and compiz, awn was removed too |
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| 04:58.39 | snewp | still got an error: E: console-data: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9 |
| 04:59.29 | Rat409 | yuh everthing fixed itself but console-data,bad block in post-install config |
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| 05:02.08 | snewp | i'll just remove console-data and install the removed apps .. would that be ok ? |
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| 05:05.01 | black_13 | does kqemu have to reinstalled when i new kernel is installed? |
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| 05:08.51 | simonrvn | the kernel module does, nothing else |
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| 05:09.52 | simonrvn | !btssmite snewp |
| 05:09.52 | dpkg | beats snewp around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if snewp is running Unstable |
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| 05:12.01 | JyZyXEL | how do i kill X? |
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| 05:12.25 | simonrvn | exit your wm/de |
| 05:12.33 | JyZyXEL | but it completely froze |
| 05:12.37 | JyZyXEL | SSH still works tho |
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| 05:13.07 | simonrvn | so switch to console and kill it manually |
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| 05:13.35 | simonrvn | tried ctrl-alt-backspace yet? |
| 05:13.50 | JyZyXEL | oh i killed virtualbox and now its ok |
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| 05:19.39 | yigal | if a module is being nasty and telling me "FATAL: Module ssb is in use." is there a way to force it to be removed |
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| 05:26.52 | yigal | ok I will blacklist and reboot, what a waste :) |
| 05:26.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | yigal, rmmod |
| 05:28.12 | yigal | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, got rid of b43 which was depending on ssb, but modprobe didn't want to tell me that and I didn't know how to ask :) |
| 05:29.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | yigal, np :) |
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| 05:36.17 | kuber | hm. after going from etch->unstable im getting all kinds of errors in apt: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-10_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib64', which is also in package binutils |
| 05:36.23 | kuber | -f install doesn't help either |
| 05:36.32 | kuber | any ideas? |
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| 05:37.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | kuber, file a bug if there isnt one. you'll probably need to use dpkg to force the packages install |
| 05:38.27 | kuber | cool, will do |
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| 05:53.29 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 05:56.19 | V4Nelle | in debian there isn't iwconfig? |
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| 06:00.44 | nsadmin | !find iwconfig |
| 06:00.50 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'iwconfig' (3): (/sbin/iwconfig) in net/wireless-tools ;; (/usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/Linux/_iwconfig) in shells/zsh-beta. |
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| 06:01.29 | kalow | Hello |
| 06:01.32 | kalow | anyone here? |
| 06:01.44 | kalow | I wanna dangle my cock over your mouth |
| 06:01.50 | kalow | i wanna fuck a woman up her pussy |
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| 06:01.56 | kalow | any takers? |
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| 06:02.16 | kalow | i wanna fuck debian maker's girlfriend, debby |
| 06:02.28 | kalow | can someone please lick my cock ? |
| 06:02.32 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 06:02.35 | Lagbolt | nice |
| 06:02.36 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 06:02.38 | kalow | i'm so horny |
| 06:03.03 | kalow | can you give me some cocktumer support ? |
| 06:03.15 | kalow | my dick is hard now |
| 06:03.19 | kalow | i'm rubbing it |
| 06:03.27 | kalow | im' rubbing my dick to hillary clinton photos |
| 06:03.32 | kalow | how pathetic is that ? |
| 06:03.42 | Lagbolt | quite |
| 06:03.50 | kalow | please girls come lick the tip of my cock and caress my ballsack |
| 06:03.56 | kalow | but be gentlee |
| 06:04.01 | kalow | i'm gentle too. |
| 06:04.03 | kalow | i'm a gentleman |
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| 06:04.24 | nsadmin | !ops kalow idiot |
| 06:04.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nsadmin complains about: kalow idiot |
| 06:04.30 | kalow | Agiofws come lick my dick |
| 06:04.47 | kalow | come lick my dick i'm so horny |
| 06:04.59 | Agiofws | kalow, are you a Grnet user ? |
| 06:05.00 | kalow | i need a woman to fuck |
| 06:05.05 | kalow | i don't know |
| 06:05.10 | kalow | i just know i wanna get laid |
| 06:05.11 | Agiofws | sounds / looks so |
| 06:05.12 | kalow | NOW |
| 06:05.23 | kalow | I'm egyptian i hate israel |
| 06:05.28 | kalow | i wanna fuck a woman |
| 06:05.45 | nevyn | !ops |
| 06:05.45 | dpkg | ops is, like, Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 06:05.46 | kalow | gimme a woman to fuck |
| 06:05.47 | Agiofws | hmm no op around |
| 06:05.54 | nevyn | !ops kalow |
| 06:05.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nevyn complains about: kalow |
| 06:06.00 | kalow | Agiofws will you lick my dick ? |
| 06:06.02 | Agiofws | ops! |
| 06:06.13 | Agiofws | !ops |
| 06:06.13 | dpkg | rumour has it, ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 06:06.14 | kalow | Agiofws let me dangle my cock on your face, please? |
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| 06:06.28 | kalow | i wanna dangle my cock on a woman's face |
| 06:06.33 | kalow | not my mother though |
| 06:06.34 | kalow | she makes me sick |
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| 06:06.40 | Agiofws | dpkg:ops kalow is just swearing |
| 06:06.40 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: agiofws complains about: kalow is just swearing |
| 06:06.47 | kalow | i'm not swearing |
| 06:06.49 | kalow | i'm just horny |
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| 06:07.03 | kalow | are you moose limbs ? |
| 06:07.05 | kalow | i hate moose limbs |
| 06:07.15 | Agiofws | kalow, fuck you ... have a coke and have a smile |
| 06:07.26 | kalow | i wanna fuck a woman not fuck myself |
| 06:07.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Agiofws, please dont. |
| 06:07.31 | nevyn | debian.. such an awesome distribution. |
| 06:07.31 | Penix | Agiofws: just put them on ignore |
| 06:07.32 | kalow | please any woman respond |
| 06:07.38 | kalow | i need a woman |
| 06:07.42 | kalow | i need to rub her tits |
| 06:07.46 | kalow | with my hands and cock |
| 06:07.59 | Agiofws | Kamping_Kaiser, you have a quick xhchat command to do that ? |
| 06:08.05 | piko | Hi, I have strange error using make-kpkg modules-image, nearly all modules complaints about missing ../../../../gcc-4.2 in /usr/share/modass/gcc-4.2/gccf |
| 06:08.08 | kalow | i'm not swearing |
| 06:08.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | Agiofws, do what? |
| 06:08.14 | kalow | any girls in here? |
| 06:08.28 | Agiofws | to ignore |
| 06:09.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | Agiofws, /ignore username iirc |
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| 06:09.13 | piko | Could anyone say how to solve? |
| 06:09.33 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.33 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.41 | Agiofws | what is a mask ? |
| 06:09.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | piko, is gcc-4.2 installed? |
| 06:09.52 | Penix | Agiofws: try /ignore <user> all or something |
| 06:09.52 | piko | Kamping_Kaiser: definitely |
| 06:10.06 | piko | Kamping_Kaiser: and /usr/bin/gcc-4.2 present |
| 06:10.06 | Penix | Agiofws: or just right click on the user I'd assume |
| 06:10.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | Agiofws, so in this instance, /ignore *kalow* |
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| 06:10.32 | Agiofws | nope |
| 06:10.37 | Agiofws | still not working |
| 06:10.48 | Agiofws | it has a vey strange syntax |
| 06:10.49 | Penix | Agiofws: how do you know? the luser hasn't said anything |
| 06:11.25 | Agiofws | cause it outputs the usage of the command |
| 06:11.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | piko, unsure, i dont DIY kernel stuff :( |
| 06:11.35 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.36 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.41 | Penix | Agiofws: do that then |
| 06:11.45 | Penix | Agiofws: read the example |
| 06:11.57 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah, i forgot @* |
| 06:12.19 | Agiofws | lemonade@41.232.78.206 |
| 06:12.24 | Penix | yes |
| 06:12.39 | Agiofws | nope still not working |
| 06:12.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | Agiofws, the format is nick!username@host |
| 06:13.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | eg /ignrore Agiofws!*@* |
| 06:13.18 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.19 | Agiofws | ? |
| 06:13.34 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | no space between w and ! though |
| 06:13.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah. |
| 06:13.51 | Agiofws | nope still |
| 06:14.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah |
| 06:14.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | forgot all at the end |
| 06:14.22 | Agiofws | some F... xchat thing |
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| 06:14.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | eg /ignore Agiofws!*@* all |
| 06:14.43 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.44 | Agiofws | ok |
| 06:14.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | you can tell i dont use it a lot :| |
| 06:15.15 | Agiofws | i think the devs should do something about that syntax |
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| 06:16.59 | akio | umm |
| 06:17.22 | jelly-home | Agiofws: or, since you're using xchat, right click on the nick |
| 06:17.49 | Agiofws | jelly, no such option |
| 06:17.55 | Agiofws | i wonder why though |
| 06:18.14 | jelly-home | Agiofws: no right click? |
| 06:19.04 | jelly-home | works for me and brings up a context menu |
| 06:19.12 | Agiofws | no right click option |
| 06:19.22 | Agiofws | no right click ignore option |
| 06:19.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | not mine |
| 06:20.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | xchat per etch |
| 06:21.03 | akio | ther are different xchats |
| 06:21.12 | akio | gxchat |
| 06:21.22 | akio | or whatever gtk+xchat is |
| 06:21.27 | Agiofws | jelly-home, ? |
| 06:21.41 | Agiofws | i isue lenny use |
| 06:21.56 | Agiofws | and i nistalled the current xchat that came with it i guess |
| 06:21.59 | akio | im using lenny and gnome-xchat |
| 06:22.06 | Agiofws | ok next one |
| 06:22.06 | akio | apt-get gnome-xchat |
| 06:22.09 | V4Nelle | guys if i add nameserver in /etc/resolve.conf everything is ok.....but if i add dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces i cant see web...any help? |
| 06:22.22 | Agiofws | no thanks akio gnome i will not use |
| 06:22.25 | Agiofws | i can send text to a certain channel using dbus or qdbus externally but i would like to send text ONLY to the FG channel can xchat do this support this with dbus-send ? |
| 06:22.25 | jelly-home | Agiofws: you ought to have it with that client you use. |
| 06:22.30 | akio | im not using gnome |
| 06:22.35 | akio | im using openbox |
| 06:22.43 | Agiofws | great |
| 06:22.45 | akio | i dont even use gdm |
| 06:22.59 | Agiofws | jelly, you mean the verion |
| 06:23.17 | Agiofws | i have a nice tweaked out client |
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| 06:24.06 | jelly-home | Agiofws: oh well, then you know what you've done to it. |
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| 06:24.12 | Agiofws | V4Nelle, there is a resolv.conf rc.script that touches .etc/resolv.conf for you every time you boot maybe you don't have the rc.script |
| 06:24.30 | Agiofws | jelly, no i haven't tweeaked it in that sence |
| 06:24.43 | jelly-home | V4Nelle: is the package "resolvconf" installed? |
| 06:25.04 | Agiofws | V4Nelle, apt-cache search resolvconf |
| 06:25.11 | Agiofws | i hated that i removed it |
| 06:26.02 | V4Nelle | nope |
| 06:26.12 | jelly-home | Agiofws: um, apt-cache search is not the best way to look whether the package is installed. dpkg -l ... or dpkg -s are simpler |
| 06:26.18 | V4Nelle | i will install it....thx |
| 06:26.34 | Agiofws | ok thnanks |
| 06:27.14 | Agiofws | i can send text to a certain channel using dbus or qdbus externally but i would like to send text ONLY to the FG channel can xchat do this support this with dbus-send ? |
| 06:27.44 | Agiofws | why is it that xchat channel is so "dead" |
| 06:27.47 | Agiofws | ? |
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| 06:28.29 | jelly-home | how would we know? |
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| 06:34.45 | kalow | hello |
| 06:34.47 | kalow | anyone here? |
| 06:34.57 | Supaplex | is ... |
| 06:34.57 | Hoxzer | I was but I'm not anymore :/ |
| 06:35.33 | Supaplex | !next |
| 06:35.33 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 06:36.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | another obnoxious prat |
| 06:36.29 | Supaplex | easy come easy go |
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| 06:38.52 | htpc1100 | Hi, i'm having some trouble configuring lirc - can some1 plz help me? |
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| 06:39.34 | Supaplex | elaborate |
| 06:39.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | !plz > htpc1100 |
| 06:39.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | wrong bot. |
| 06:39.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, tell htpc1100 about plz |
| 06:40.38 | htpc1100 | I'm following this guide http://stacktrace.org/index_html/200600912lirc-imon-the-debian-way |
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| 06:41.37 | Supaplex | nice guide. looks like their server is busticated. |
| 06:41.38 | htpc1100 | I know that that it's zipcode/postleitzahl/codigo postal,, i should have written pls, |
| 06:42.06 | Supaplex | spell it out, or I'll start replying with uuencoded gzip content |
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| 06:43.43 | htpc1100 | please, por favor, bitte... |
| 06:43.57 | dacs | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:44.45 | fireba11 | dacs: wtf |
| 06:47.46 | dacs | fireba11: what? |
| 06:48.08 | dacs | fireba11: fut the shuck up |
| 06:48.12 | dacs | lol |
| 06:48.37 | Supaplex | !lol |
| 06:48.37 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 06:48.49 | fireba11 | dacs : for oen the question sin't really specific, also why the hell would you want to do that ? |
| 06:49.04 | fireba11 | also it doesn't sound like a debian question to me |
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| 06:49.19 | htpc1100 | Can someone help me with my lirc problem please? In the mentioned guide I get stuck after stopping lircd and LCDd |
| 06:49.21 | Supaplex | yup. sounds like a #web2,0 question |
| 06:49.21 | nevyn | "If I wanted your website to make noise I'd wet my finger and run it down my screen" |
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| 06:49.26 | nsadmin | hi lol got warez? k! thx! bye |
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| 06:49.33 | dacs | fireba11: i am very sorry i didn't even notice that i was at the wrong room |
| 06:50.06 | dacs | sorry, sorry guy i was at the wrong channel |
| 06:50.14 | dacs | please accept my apology |
| 06:50.18 | dacs | :( |
| 06:50.22 | htpc1100 | Also, I went to #lirc first, but noone answered |
| 06:50.34 | nsadmin | maybe you want #apache? |
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| 06:50.47 | Supaplex | debian has lirc-modules-source. use module-assistant to compile the kernel modules as a deb package, then install that. |
| 06:51.10 | nsadmin | depnding on what you mean by "user visit my site" |
| 06:51.38 | nsadmin | lirc has kernel modules? |
| 06:51.54 | dacs | nsadmin: when they type www.domainname.com, i want a music to play in the back ground |
| 06:52.07 | dacs | but its ok , i am at the wrong channel |
| 06:52.48 | nsadmin | when they type www.domainname.com into their ______ (what goes there?) |
| 06:53.53 | dacs | nsadmin: man have you ever visit a site and as soon as the site loads in your browser you head a music?! |
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| 06:55.02 | nsadmin | I've visited sites with ftp, http, rsync, cvs, tla, smtp, etc |
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| 06:55.33 | nsadmin | internet isn't just one thing |
| 06:55.35 | htpc1100 | the only thing I need to know is which one my "YourRemotesLIRCKernelModule" is or how I would be able to find that out |
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| 06:55.45 | Matic`Makovec | When creating a .deb package, how can I add dependencies to it? |
| 06:56.14 | nsadmin | I think you would edit debian/control |
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| 07:02.17 | dacs | question, how do i know why when i ssh to my box from outside my network, i cann access irssi , but as soon as !irc.freenode.net *** Found your hostname, i loose connection |
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| 07:03.11 | cjrl31 | hello |
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| 07:04.18 | cjrl31 | my sound card doesnt work, how can i configure it manually |
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| 07:05.10 | prolix | cjrl31: ask the bot. /msg dpkg alsa |
| 07:05.26 | quentusrex | Is there any way to record how much traffic is sent out over a particular port? |
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| 07:06.10 | quentusrex | I want to record month to month how much traffic is sent out over a few different ports on my server. I want to know which port is sending more traffic. |
| 07:06.15 | quentusrex | Is this possible? |
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| 07:07.44 | prolix | quentusrex: wire shark? |
| 07:07.47 | dacs | quentusrex: i think you can use like "wireshark" i am not sure |
| 07:08.42 | kroddn | Hello there. Has anybody interest in testing FreeOrion for linux? It's the first Release for Linux: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=75752 |
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| 07:09.04 | kroddn | I'll create a debian-package soon :-) |
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| 07:15.33 | Fox_ | are there some software under console like the Gtimer? |
| 07:16.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | dunno. is there? |
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| 07:20.22 | house_bike | hello |
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| 07:21.16 | oberont | hello |
| 07:21.20 | oberont | anyone here? |
| 07:21.23 | house_bike | yes |
| 07:21.26 | oberont | charlton heston is a faggot terrorist |
| 07:21.33 | house_bike | rip |
| 07:21.34 | oberont | and i took his gun from his cold dead hand |
| 07:21.41 | oberont | fuck him and his mother |
| 07:21.43 | liable | !ops oberont troll |
| 07:21.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: oberont troll |
| 07:21.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ops OBcecado |
| 07:21.46 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: kamping_kaiser complains about: OBcecado |
| 07:21.47 | oberont | he's an anermican terrorist |
| 07:21.53 | oberont | like all americans |
| 07:21.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | sorry OBcecado - mistab |
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| 07:22.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, same person as last time |
| 07:22.17 | kloeri | oberont: please stick to topic |
| 07:22.57 | liable | Kamping_Kaiser: not unusual, ops are rare at this time of day |
| 07:23.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable, they are :( their rare for about 10-15 hours a day :| |
| 07:23.44 | Guerin | more like 20-23 |
| 07:23.47 | liable | i know |
| 07:23.55 | oberont | i take the gun from his cold dead hands, |
| 07:23.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/their/they are |
| 07:23.58 | kloeri | makes a bold claim about being an op :p |
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| 07:24.06 | liable | except when i decide to lart someone ;) |
| 07:24.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | points out this is the 1 hour :p |
| 07:24.10 | Guerin | kloeri: top work there sah |
| 07:24.26 | Guerin | !beer kloeri |
| 07:24.26 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for kloeri |
| 07:24.39 | kloeri | :) |
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| 07:25.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | \o/ kloeri |
| 07:26.22 | liable | kloeri: debian op or irc cop? you should be added to the ops cmd if your a debian op |
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| 07:26.33 | kloeri | freenode staff |
| 07:26.38 | liable | ah, np |
| 07:26.51 | kloeri | I highlight on !ops anyway |
| 07:26.57 | liable | cool |
| 07:27.22 | house_bike | debian |
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| 07:30.09 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 07:30.24 | Supaplex | waves |
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| 07:30.57 | Haris1 | Does ethereal have a cli based gui ? |
| 07:31.10 | Supaplex | make up your mind. cli? or gui? |
| 07:31.12 | Haris1 | I need to see details like iptraf |
| 07:31.14 | john` | no |
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| 07:31.55 | house_bike | changed name |
| 07:32.20 | Haris1 | 12:29:46.709367 IP srv-xx-xxx-xxx-xxx.domain.com.4500 > sg.domain.com.2879: UDP-encap: ESP(spi=0x6d9e636d,seq=0x27e52), length 1332 |
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| 07:32.31 | Haris1 | iptraf doesn't list/show stats on this traffic |
| 07:32.32 | Supaplex | I call it tcpdump |
| 07:32.36 | Haris1 | this is vpn |
| 07:32.55 | Haris1 | its not showing traffic moving in/out on udp-4500 |
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| 07:33.46 | Supaplex | tcpdump -s 64435 udp port 4500 ? |
| 07:33.53 | Supaplex | er 65535 my bad. |
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| 07:36.29 | vvd | htop |
| 07:36.39 | Haris1 | oh man! |
| 07:36.39 | vvd | :\ |
| 07:36.42 | Haris1 | it works with tcpdump |
| 07:36.47 | Haris1 | I can see what's going in/out on the interfaqce |
| 07:36.53 | Haris1 | It doesn't work with iptraf |
| 07:37.04 | Haris1 | I was just enquiring if there's an alternative to iptraf that does |
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| 07:39.12 | black_13 | how do i show how much memory a process is using? |
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| 07:40.33 | sep | black_13, depends on your religion. |
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| 07:40.51 | black_13 | sep huh? |
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| 07:42.04 | sep | black_13, it's tricky to say that process X uses so and so many MB ram buecouse of shared memory. as in a program shares it's libraries with others programs. so depending on your religion you would calculate the usage differently |
| 07:42.34 | black_13 | ok |
| 07:42.49 | black_13 | i would like to know how much memory qemu is using |
| 07:42.52 | pgpkeys | what in the hell are you talking about? how does your 'religion' affect your calculation? |
| 07:42.55 | black_13 | is that possible |
| 07:42.56 | sep | i like top. you can browse the list, or sort on memusage |
| 07:43.01 | pgpkeys | black_13: if you want to control stuff, use ulimit |
| 07:43.35 | black_13 | sep thanks top seem to show whats happening |
| 07:43.35 | pgpkeys | start from there, also look into selinux |
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| 07:46.46 | sep | black_13, just keep in mind that if you sum together all the values youd end up with more memory in use then what's possible. becouse of shared libraries. (depending on what you have running ofcourse) |
| 07:47.09 | black_13 | welli was looking for a rough idea |
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| 07:47.57 | black_13 | also qemu is sooo slow |
| 07:48.10 | Airbottle | try installing kqemu |
| 07:48.17 | black_13 | i have |
| 07:48.23 | Airbottle | does it work? |
| 07:48.27 | sep | black_13, i like virtualbox |
| 07:48.27 | Haris1 | black_13: maybe something under /proc/pid/ |
| 07:48.42 | black_13 | i get this: Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated: |
| 07:48.43 | Airbottle | because maybe you need to adjust some settings to get it to work |
| 07:48.46 | Lagbolt | black_13, i agree virtualbox is nice |
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| 07:49.02 | Airbottle | kqemu is not working then |
| 07:49.21 | black_13 | but then i have not rebooted since i installed it |
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| 07:49.59 | black_13 | i would say what about vmware but i have not be able to install it |
| 07:50.07 | black_13 | when it works its awesome |
| 07:50.30 | black_13 | i can install it very easily on fedora and some what on ubuntu |
| 07:50.37 | black_13 | but no so on debian lenny |
| 07:50.50 | Airbottle | vmware works with etch |
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| 07:51.11 | black_13 | Airbottle, have you installed it on etch? |
| 07:51.34 | Baloo | vmware works but virtualbox-ose is in debian main and works better... |
| 07:51.34 | Airbottle | yes |
| 07:51.47 | black_13 | Baloo, really |
| 07:51.53 | Baloo | Yup |
| 07:52.01 | Lagbolt | and if you want usb2 virtualbox non ose is great |
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| 07:52.05 | black_13 | Baloo, can i boot iso images with that |
| 07:52.13 | Baloo | yup |
| 07:52.17 | black_13 | and usb images |
| 07:52.24 | Baloo | what kind of virtual machine would it be without that kind of basic functionality? |
| 07:52.29 | Baloo | Oh, wait, bochs... |
| 07:53.20 | black_13 | well it looks like qemu is just chewing up the cpu |
| 07:53.41 | koolhead17 | black_13: it always does |
| 07:53.59 | black_13 | its using 92 percent when squashfs is being decompressed |
| 07:54.22 | Supaplex | I bet a real system uses about the same or more |
| 07:54.44 | black_13 | one thing this tells me is i need faster system |
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| 07:55.08 | black_13 | or would kqemu speed this up |
| 07:55.24 | Supaplex | kqemu would speed it up atleast a little |
| 07:55.30 | Supaplex | s/atleast/at least/ |
| 07:56.04 | black_13 | Supaplex, i think what would spead things up is to dump using squashfs on my debian live image and go with ext2 |
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| 07:56.44 | black_13 | once it gets past uncompress squashfs its using 10% of the cpu |
| 07:56.54 | black_13 | no about 2% |
| 07:56.55 | Baloo | Looks like if you're using qemu, kvm might be the way to go |
| 07:57.13 | black_13 | well i dont necessarily have to use it |
| 07:57.37 | black_13 | if those other apps can boot usb images reliable hey ill go that way |
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| 07:59.24 | black_13 | what where those other virtual machines? |
| 08:00.22 | Baloo | virtualbox-ose, bochs, kvm |
| 08:00.44 | Baloo | I prefer virtualbox-ose myself. |
| 08:00.58 | black_13 | why? |
| 08:01.25 | Baloo | It's in Debian Main, and it isn't dog slow like vmware. |
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| 08:02.02 | Baloo | Though about the only reason I even need a VM is every once in a while for TiVo Desktop. |
| 08:02.10 | Baloo | Otherwise I just run native alternatives or wine. |
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| 08:09.55 | black_13 | Baloo, how would i get virtual box to boot a usb image |
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| 08:27.53 | akio | what is a better way to get through an encylopeadic manpage? |
| 08:28.09 | akio | something gtk |
| 08:30.55 | dondelelcaro | akio: the man pager is the best way. |
| 08:31.21 | dondelelcaro | akio: hit ? or man less; if you don't know how to use all of the features of less. |
| 08:32.06 | akio | hit? |
| 08:32.54 | akio | it gives me a console? |
| 08:33.02 | akio | never knew that |
| 08:33.17 | akio | so i guess i should man man? |
| 08:33.24 | akio | that sounds illegal |
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| 08:34.38 | akio | dondelelcaro, how much time do you spend at this channel? |
| 08:34.53 | akio | you are in here a lot |
| 08:35.13 | RichiH | hrmm, rm does not return and > file does clear the file, but i do not see any additional free space with df |
| 08:35.22 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: ever seen that? |
| 08:35.32 | RichiH | and yes, the disk is pretty much 100% full |
| 08:36.34 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: rm should return unless the file is huge, but the space won't be freed if something has an open FD to it |
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| 08:37.59 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: no matter what size the file has, rm does not return. and > file sets the file to 0 byte, but df -h does not show the space i freed |
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| 08:38.35 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: i fear the FS is fried or some other nicety, but as this is an important production system of a client, i would rather look for other causes |
| 08:38.38 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: uh... something is wrong with your filesystem then, most likely. |
| 08:38.48 | RichiH | not what i wanted to hear |
| 08:39.00 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: I'd just back it up, and then repair it during a maintenance window |
| 08:39.38 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: yah, i just told the other guy to cat & ssh the files over to a save place |
| 08:39.41 | tomaw | 99 |
| 08:39.44 | tomaw | meh |
| 08:39.52 | RichiH | aka scp ;) |
| 08:40.29 | RichiH | (i.e. i scared them with a huge command line string for letting the disk fill up in the first place) |
| 08:40.29 | akio | i still don't know how to get that set up properly |
| 08:40.38 | RichiH | tomaw: red ballons |
| 08:40.54 | o2T7 | Two machines, both with the same sources.list, one of them running a 2.6.24-1-686 kernel, and the other a 2.6.22-3-686 kernel. When running `apt-cache search kbuild-2.6` on both of them, one returns "linux-kbuild-2.6.22", while the other one is returning "kernel-kbuild-2.6-3" |
| 08:40.59 | o2T7 | Why? |
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| 08:42.33 | RichiH | o2T7: apt-get update |
| 08:42.34 | RichiH | !update |
| 08:42.34 | dpkg | i guess update is dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update |
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| 08:43.04 | o2T7 | RichiH: Of course, that's not the problem |
| 08:43.05 | RichiH | !update =~ s/dselect/apt-get/ |
| 08:43.05 | dpkg | OK, RichiH |
| 08:43.31 | RichiH | !update =~ s/, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update/or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search/ |
| 08:43.31 | dpkg | OK, RichiH |
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| 08:43.58 | RichiH | o2T7: are they using rotation in their DNS? |
| 08:44.06 | RichiH | i.e. a host that is being rotated |
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| 08:44.17 | mitziyahu | whats committed memory? |
| 08:44.22 | RichiH | or, if DNS changed.. |
| 08:44.34 | agnitio | what init-script is responsible for starting networkmanager in etch? |
| 08:44.47 | agnitio | in lenny I know ther was a /etc/init.d/NetworkManager, however, there is not in etch, where is it started? |
| 08:44.53 | agnitio | *there |
| 08:45.14 | o2T7 | RichiH: I have configured them with the same dns, and the sources.list files are exactly the same |
| 08:45.42 | o2T7 | I am using lenny on both |
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| 08:46.41 | ioii | make is generating the following errors while compiling apache for ssl awareness |
| 08:47.11 | ioii | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[4]: *** [libssl.so] Error 1 |
| 08:48.52 | dondelelcaro | ioii: why are you compiling apache? |
| 08:49.21 | dondelelcaro | if you want to use ssl, just enable the ssl module. |
| 08:50.34 | ioii | which version of apache are you talking about |
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| 08:51.56 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kernel-kbuild-2.6-3&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all heh |
| 08:52.24 | akio | dondelelcaro: i just learned about troff and groff |
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| 08:52.45 | dondelelcaro | ioii: all of the ones that we distribute? |
| 08:53.06 | dondelelcaro | akio: ah, yeah, you don't need to learn too much about them unless you want to do something unusual with manpages |
| 08:53.10 | akio | it outputs manpages directly into a web browser and launches it |
| 08:53.32 | akio | precisely what i was looking for, something simple |
| 08:53.44 | enouf | !dwww |
| 08:53.49 | enouf | hrm |
| 08:53.50 | akio | ? |
| 08:53.57 | enouf | nm |
| 08:54.03 | akio | what? |
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| 08:54.11 | akio | !www |
| 08:54.12 | dpkg | i heard www is The World Wide Web, or world wide wait |
| 08:54.21 | cwittich | any hint how to set a higher resolution in xorg? gnome res changer only allows me to set 640x480 - but there are resolutions up to 1024x768 listed in my xorg.conf |
| 08:54.42 | enouf | !info dwww etch |
| 08:54.52 | sChaaa | hola |
| 08:54.55 | akio | lol |
| 08:54.56 | cwittich | and I failed to install the nvidia drivers (7xxx series) - the installer can't find the kernel sources |
| 08:55.00 | ioii | <dondelecaro> so what need to get apt-get install apache |
| 08:55.04 | akio | what the hell is it already |
| 08:55.15 | enouf | patience |
| 08:55.19 | cwittich | it is looking for kernel.h which does not exist in the kernel headers directory |
| 08:55.24 | dpkg | dwww: (Read all on-line documentation with a WWW browser), section doc, is optional. Version: 1.10.3 (etch), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 584 kB |
| 08:55.45 | akio | o |
| 08:56.44 | enouf | though not sure it handles preformatted manpages, roff.nroff, troff, groff and such, does docbook though iirc |
| 08:57.14 | Airbottle | cwittich: are you in etch or lenny? |
| 08:57.26 | cwittich | etch |
| 08:57.28 | akio | dwww requires an apache install |
| 08:57.36 | enouf | akio: now, how would you find out more about what it does? |
| 08:57.40 | akio | it just installed itself |
| 08:57.53 | akio | i wonder if i can use it IMMEDIATELY |
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| 08:58.13 | thorre | greetings |
| 08:58.13 | Airbottle | http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt you can try this manual to set your nvidia drivers cwittich |
| 08:58.21 | thorre | just upgraded my vlc-nox |
| 08:58.30 | thorre | now things do not work anymore ;) |
| 08:58.49 | thorre | i use vlc on my debianbox to stream video to multicast |
| 08:58.50 | Airbottle | and for resolution, you can adjust your xorg.conf file, its in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 08:58.54 | akio | holy crap enouf |
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| 08:59.21 | RichiH | this is a strange question, but can i make scp skip a file it hangs on interactively? or is scp waiting for the system call to return and i am SOL with that process, anyway? |
| 08:59.23 | thorre | now i get a lot of errors about alsa not being able to find a sound card ... the box has no sound card sinc it is used as a streamer |
| 08:59.41 | thorre | can anyone tell me how i downgrade to a previus version of vlc? |
| 08:59.46 | enouf | well, KDE has some component that allows viewing of manpages within it's docbook/Khelpcenter thing-a-ma-doo-hickey |
| 09:00.32 | akio | enouf, can i just throw pages into my apache www? |
| 09:00.48 | vvd | gnomes "yelp" shows manpages/info too |
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| 09:01.10 | thorre | 2008-04-14 10:21:39 upgrade vlc-nox 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5etch1 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 |
| 09:01.27 | wald0 | what is the debian way to reconfigure the language of the system and X11 ? dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
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| 09:01.53 | roh | morning |
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| 09:02.11 | akio | yelp apparently doesnt come up with the same stuff as dwwww |
| 09:02.28 | smokie | dear all, do you know of any mail server distro based on debian, i found only deepofix and mailcleaner ( mailcleaner is a bit outdated) ?? |
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| 09:03.57 | vvd | wald0: yeah and /etc/default/locale |
| 09:04.43 | enouf | file:///var/www/dwww/man/index.html |
| 09:04.52 | enouf | heh, guess it does do it ;-) |
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| 09:06.16 | roh | i wonder if anybody could help me understand why debian bug #474951 isnt fixed yet |
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| 09:08.52 | streuner_ | !dbugs #474951 |
| 09:08.55 | dpkg | DONE:#474951:[lighttpd] lighttpd: Extremely high load with HTTPS sites after update; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 06:54:01 UTC |
| 09:10.06 | mitziyahu | lighttpd: Extremely high load |
| 09:10.07 | mitziyahu | :P |
| 09:10.33 | vvd | 9999% |
| 09:11.01 | enouf | tasksel --task-packages mail-server |
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| 09:13.08 | V4Nelle | guys in debian can i have something like init 3? |
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| 09:13.40 | dondelelcaro | V4Nelle: no reason why not |
| 09:14.29 | V4Nelle | if i do init 3 doesnt anything....and i read in web that debian has just init 1 and init 2and5 |
| 09:15.12 | smokie | no mail server distro on your mind ? :-) thnx |
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| 09:15.25 | petemc | smokie: why do you need a mail server distro? you can install all you need with debian |
| 09:16.28 | petemc | V4Nelle: if you want init 3 to do anything, you need to configure it yourself - out of interest, what do you think you need it for? |
| 09:17.11 | V4Nelle | i want to boot debian in console mode and use another account from root |
| 09:17.36 | smokie | the time to integrate everything, to admin everything, dont you think its a bit too much, i really dont have the skill and time ! thanx |
| 09:17.52 | petemc | V4Nelle: thats just the display manager starting, not runlevels - debian doesnt work like red hat etc |
| 09:18.20 | V4Nelle | ok petemc i think i understnd....thx |
| 09:19.12 | petemc | smokie: i dont feel its a bit too much, in fact i feel there are too many clueless people running mail servers already |
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| 09:20.10 | petemc | but who am i am to judge.. |
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| 09:22.09 | vvd | smart? |
| 09:22.18 | smokie | well, you are probably right. but qmail + clamav + spammassassin + dovecot + etc etc sounds scary !? |
| 09:22.31 | petemc | i would recommend not using qmail |
| 09:22.38 | smokie | and the result is clueless setup |
| 09:22.59 | smokie | why not qmail ? thanx |
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| 09:28.56 | RichiH | grr |
| 09:29.32 | enouf | Error loading file:///cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/man/man7/des_modes.7ssl.gz?type=man: |
| 09:29.48 | RichiH | if a file does not appear in /proc/*/fd/* it is not supposed to be open, correct? |
| 09:29.56 | enouf | hrm, guess i need to learn how to setup a cgi |
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| 09:30.34 | enouf | RichiH: i don't know -- tried lsof? |
| 09:30.38 | RichiH | not installed |
| 09:30.44 | enouf | ewww |
| 09:30.54 | RichiH | not my system, just trying to salvage |
| 09:31.11 | enouf | dumpster diving? |
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| 09:36.04 | RichiH | enouf: almost |
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| 09:37.13 | xstasi | hi |
| 09:37.21 | xstasi | i hope this is the right channel to ask |
| 09:37.27 | xstasi | i'm having a strange problem with nfs.. |
| 09:37.42 | xstasi | mount.nfs: ip:/path failed, reason given by server: Permission denied |
| 09:37.50 | xstasi | while on the server's daemon.log: |
| 09:38.09 | xstasi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:39.19 | xstasi | so the server says "ok" and the client says "permission denied"? |
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| 09:45.54 | awmcclain | Ug. I've screwed up my pgp signing: I've created a public/private key, but I've somehow screwed up my passphrase. How do I delete the key from my keyring? |
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| 09:51.59 | ted_ | Hello, I have a question about udev. In initramfs, I copy my root filesystem to ramdisk1, and /lib/modules and /usr are both of type cramfs, so I 'dd' them to ramdisk2 and ramdisk3. This works, however, udev is not auto-loading some modules like sr_mod for my cdwriter at boot. It seems that initramfs expects that /lib/modules is on the root partition itself. How can I solve my problem? |
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| 09:57.21 | Romik | !dpkg why vegastrike not included in lenny |
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| 09:58.25 | anabain | hi, I want to know if when I reinstall debian, with / in /sda5 and /home in /sda7, data in /home can get corrupted by the installer if I *only* tell it to use /sda7 as a mount point for /home, without formatting. I want to be absolutely sure that the installer will not damage or modify data in /sda7. Anybody knows? |
| 09:58.46 | enouf | !why is vegastrike not in lenny |
| 09:58.46 | dpkg | enouf: I think you lost me on that one |
| 09:58.54 | enouf | !why is vegastrike not in testing |
| 09:58.54 | dpkg | vegastrike is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=vegastrike |
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| 09:59.04 | Romik | thanks |
| 09:59.59 | Romik | yahoo, just waiting pango1.0 |
| 10:00.04 | Romik | %) |
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| 10:01.18 | enouf | anabain: make backups of anything important |
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| 10:06.54 | soul9 | hi |
| 10:07.09 | soul9 | i'm installing debian etch on my machine now |
| 10:07.26 | soul9 | it's been a long time since i haven't used debian :-) |
| 10:07.55 | soul9 | can anyone tell me where i can find java6-bin and the stupid adobe flash plugin? |
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| 10:09.35 | dutchfish | soul9, wich java? |
| 10:09.43 | Romik | soul9, I'm using java6 from java.sun.com else my eclipse didn't work |
| 10:10.15 | dutchfish | soul9, sun-java5-jre sun-java5-sdk |
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| 10:10.43 | dutchfish | soul9, sun-java6-jre sun-java6-sdk |
| 10:10.53 | themill | soul9: are you using i386 or amd64? |
| 10:11.01 | soul9 | i386 |
| 10:11.07 | themill | !install java |
| 10:11.07 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. |
| 10:11.13 | soul9 | the weird thing is that there is no sun-java6-bin |
| 10:11.20 | soul9 | or -jre |
| 10:11.23 | themill | soul9: etch? |
| 10:11.26 | soul9 | yeah |
| 10:11.37 | dutchfish | !info sun-java6-jdk |
| 10:11.38 | dpkg | sun-java6-jdk: (Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 6), section non-free/devel, is optional. Version: 6-05-1 (sid), Packaged size: 9401 kB, Installed size: 31684 kB |
| 10:11.43 | themill | soul9: grab it from backports.org following the info from dpkg above |
| 10:11.45 | dutchfish | non-free |
| 10:11.53 | themill | dutchfish: also not in etch |
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| 10:12.01 | soul9 | i have non-free enabled, but it's not in etch |
| 10:12.02 | anabain | enouf, perhaps it will be better to install everything in /sda5 and then change /home in /etc/fstab to point /sda7... |
| 10:12.06 | soul9 | ok, enable backports |
| 10:12.14 | dutchfish | non-free backports |
| 10:12.38 | themill | !tell soul9 about bpo |
| 10:13.34 | soul9 | ok, thanks |
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| 10:15.11 | dutchfish | hi, i am looking for a way to mount qcow images with mount -o loop, bacause my diskspace is insufficient to convert to raw everytime i need them, how to do that? |
| 10:15.12 | efaistos_ | I have a contract that someone asked me to do but need some windows to test IE compatibility (dont have that) here is the description |
| 10:15.15 | efaistos_ | http://rafb.net/p/3uXFiZ64.html |
| 10:15.23 | efaistos_ | contact me if anybody is interested |
| 10:16.13 | petemc | does everyone in the channel get commission if you find a suitable candiate? |
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| 10:16.26 | petemc | /iat/idat/ |
| 10:16.34 | ErkiDerLoony | Hi! pmidi plays and holds only the first note of a midi song. What can be the problem here? |
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| 10:17.03 | themill | dutchfish: don't know of a way of doing that, short of mounting them inside the qemu vm and sharing over samba. yuck. |
| 10:17.05 | dutchfish | ErkiDerLoony, is you midi file in RFC format? |
| 10:17.25 | ErkiDerLoony | timidity plays it well. |
| 10:17.47 | ErkiDerLoony | The problem is that i'd like to link the output of dosemu to a virtual midi device which causes the same problem. |
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| 10:18.11 | dutchfish | themill, i would like that (but is not possible) the images are infected with viri most of the time (the other OS) |
| 10:18.20 | ErkiDerLoony | btw: how to check if it is in rfc format? |
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| 10:19.09 | dutchfish | ErkiDerLoony, http://www.thewhippinpost.co.uk/midi/midi-basics.htm |
| 10:19.20 | themill | dutchfish: in that case I'd be manipulating the image using rm -f ... but there *might* be a fuse plugin that can do qcow reading. That's all I can suggest though. |
| 10:20.12 | dutchfish | themill, mmm... fuse plugin? |
| 10:20.24 | themill | !fuse |
| 10:20.24 | dpkg | well, fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels.. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
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| 10:21.34 | dutchfish | themill, i have no problem with nfts mounting ro, so thats not it, its more that mount -o loop,offset=32256 hd.raw test, does work only on raw images not qcow |
| 10:21.44 | dutchfish | s/nfts/ntfs |
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| 10:22.37 | themill | dutchfish: I'm suggesting that there might be a way of talking to the qcow image using fuse in the same way as you can talk to gmail using fuse. |
| 10:23.04 | dutchfish | themill, confused now ... |
| 10:23.05 | themill | dutchfish: that said, I can't find anything on their website about qcow images |
| 10:23.22 | petemc | another solution would be to add more disk space |
| 10:23.27 | themill | :) |
| 10:23.36 | dutchfish | petemc, yes |
| 10:23.45 | jamesgc | Hi, anyone using rpmstrap? |
| 10:24.22 | dutchfish | themill, can qemu be forced to use lvm2 images? |
| 10:24.44 | jamesgc | hi, how to download directly the file from jailtime.org? |
| 10:24.46 | themill | dutchfish: nfi. But have a read of this: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/DmUserspace |
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| 10:25.30 | dutchfish | themill, yes, with xen i have not those problems, i know |
| 10:25.42 | themill | dutchfish: please read that page carefully. |
| 10:25.46 | Fox_1_ | people does proftpd support something like this: If user group is aaa proftp use /opt/aaa as DefaultRoot? for other group other directory? |
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| 10:26.39 | dutchfish | themill, you mean by means of a cowd deamon? |
| 10:26.57 | tshru | hey guys i've setup vncserver on my debian 4.0 machine, when i remote to it, it just sits there, the cursor works with a blue splash screen thats it, it aint loading the desktop any ideas why? |
| 10:27.00 | themill | dutchfish: that appears to be the only way of mounting the qcow image. |
| 10:27.13 | dutchfish | themill, thank you Sir! |
| 10:27.31 | themill | dutchfish: no worries... good luck getting that to work. It might be a fun ride. |
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| 10:27.41 | dutchfish | themill, yes :) |
| 10:28.24 | dutchfish | fiddling already on his xen box |
| 10:28.52 | dutchfish | copying the image over |
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| 10:30.46 | dutchfish | compiling the qcow plugin |
| 10:31.35 | jelly | !penixsmite dutchfish |
| 10:31.39 | dutchfish | themill, i am baffled, it does realy work (when the offset is omitted) |
| 10:31.49 | dutchfish | themill, thanks! |
| 10:32.07 | themill | excellent. |
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| 10:32.47 | dutchfish | themill, it is even faster on booting .... djing |
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| 10:37.55 | dutchfish | themill, and the bonus: obscure alterations are written to /tmp/mydom.dscow, great for investigating worms and alike |
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| 10:40.11 | Fox_1_ | tshru, did you wrote any desktop environment on xstartup script? |
| 10:40.21 | nix_chix0r | dutchfish, hoi hoe gaat het? |
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| 10:40.45 | dutchfish | nix_chix0r, redelijk |
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| 10:40.56 | nix_chix0r | enouf, where you at cracker? |
| 10:41.05 | nix_chix0r | hmm |
| 10:41.37 | nix_chix0r | i'm gona come back with a suitcase full of vruchtenhagel |
| 10:42.03 | nix_chix0r | yano i probally would have kept debian on my laptop had i gotten the wireless to work |
| 10:42.05 | dutchfish | nix_chix0r, haha, waar kom je vandaan? |
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| 10:44.28 | dutchfish | i am wondering when there will be a key signing party over here in the ntherlands |
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| 10:44.42 | nix_chix0r | why |
| 10:45.29 | dutchfish | well, i gues i want my pgp key signed ;) |
| 10:45.36 | nix_chix0r | ah |
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| 10:45.46 | nix_chix0r | my laptop burns my leg |
| 10:45.47 | nix_chix0r | arg |
| 10:46.03 | dutchfish | recommends powertop |
| 10:46.17 | nix_chix0r | hmm |
| 10:46.41 | nix_chix0r | i need to invest in something |
| 10:46.57 | pinto3 | so'd you get your motherboard and case grouped up correctly? |
| 10:47.11 | nix_chix0r | me? |
| 10:47.30 | pinto3 | yeah, you were saying you bought the wrong case the other day, i mentioned it might be the motherboard |
| 10:47.39 | nix_chix0r | haha oh yeah that, |
| 10:47.51 | nix_chix0r | case is borked, video is fried on motherboard |
| 10:47.59 | nix_chix0r | i'm returning it tuesday |
| 10:48.16 | pinto3 | ah, hope you get your money back if it was new |
| 10:48.26 | nix_chix0r | yeah its not even a month old |
| 10:48.53 | hetauma | at which package is vncviewer? |
| 10:48.56 | nix_chix0r | i was saving money from each paycheck to pay for the stuff and after all that building and testing to find that out really annoyed me |
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| 10:49.58 | nix_chix0r | wow i think i might actually be taller than danny devito |
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| 10:52.15 | phorce1 | using aptitude, how do I see what is causing some upgrades tto be held back before I start forcing things with 'install'? |
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| 10:55.38 | themill | hetauma: are you specifically wanting vncviewer or are you wanting some program that is a vnc viewer? |
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| 10:57.35 | mitziyahu | hey how do i make vnc show me a specific desktop? (xfce4) and can i load a seperate one like in terminal server? |
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| 11:00.04 | Fox_1_ | people I could not find any documentation about keymap, how to create and how to change one keymap by other? |
| 11:00.38 | DeFi | anyone know of a reasonably simple way to boot an iso using a boot loader? |
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| 11:01.41 | Agiofws | are there themes for xchat ? |
| 11:02.05 | Penix | Agiofws: 1. it's a gtk app, so probably not 2. www.xchat.org 3. #xchat |
| 11:02.06 | Fox_1_ | I mean I want to create keymap for my language and add it to console-data package. how? :) |
| 11:02.13 | dutchfish | DeFi, depends what is on the iso, you might want to delve into using syslinux |
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| 11:02.52 | DeFi | dutchfish: im trying to boot cdshell, which can only work on a cd file system |
| 11:03.22 | dutchfish | DeFi, i odnt know cdshell, is it linux? |
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| 11:04.46 | DeFi | dutchfish: http://www.cdshell.org/ |
| 11:05.09 | dutchfish | DeFi, yes, got that .. still dont know |
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| 11:05.26 | DeFi | well |
| 11:05.31 | DeFi | it looks like linux |
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| 11:05.51 | YodaYoda | DeFi: http://mgerards.net/blog/?p=16 |
| 11:06.02 | dutchfish | DeFi, well, i make my bootable cd/dvd without any of that with syslinux |
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| 11:07.11 | DeFi | dutchfish: i have a cdshell iso that has my menu and can boot off iso's for different options but i need it to be able to boot off a usb flash drive |
| 11:07.20 | DeFi | YodaYoda: ty ill take a look |
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| 11:12.27 | Uranellus | hey, I need to do around 20 installations of debian 4.0r3 for ARM platform .. how can I create a local mirror to make the installation faster? |
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| 11:12.55 | DeFi | YodaYoda: the iso required by that artical isnt on the server anymore :( |
| 11:13.18 | DeFi | but ill look if i can find it somewhere else |
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| 11:14.19 | YodaYoda | DeFi: I think it is generic. I've not actually tried personally though. |
| 11:14.25 | YodaYoda | !apt-proxy |
| 11:14.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-proxy is a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237, or see also <apt-cacher> |
| 11:14.33 | YodaYoda | Uranellus: ^ |
| 11:14.49 | DeFi | i will try that out |
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| 11:15.01 | DeFi | i havnt found anything better so far |
| 11:15.03 | DeFi | so ty |
| 11:15.04 | DeFi | :) |
| 11:15.09 | Uranellus | YodaYoda: thanks I'll look into that |
| 11:16.02 | DeFi | the commands used are specific to the sidux iso |
| 11:16.13 | DeFi | so i dunno if it is going to work |
| 11:16.32 | DeFi | !diskemu |
| 11:16.43 | DeFi | :/ |
| 11:17.29 | DeFi | if only i could find a boot loader that can use diskemu |
| 11:17.38 | DeFi | since diskemu can boot from an iso |
| 11:18.06 | YodaYoda | DeFi: Which bit are you struggling converting? |
| 11:19.21 | DeFi | well, the second command uses /boot/vmlinux |
| 11:19.33 | DeFi | which my iso wont have? |
| 11:19.48 | dutchfish | DeFi, http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/ISOLINUX |
| 11:19.49 | DeFi | and the third command uses /boot/miniroot.gz |
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| 11:20.37 | YodaYoda | DeFi: Generally vmlinuz is used now. Replace miniroot.gz with your initrd. |
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| 11:22.00 | DeFi | my iso doesnt have a /boot |
| 11:22.02 | DeFi | lol |
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| 11:22.45 | YodaYoda | Which iso are you using? |
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| 11:23.23 | DeFi | i made the iso myself |
| 11:23.39 | DeFi | with cdshell's files and cdshell's boot sector |
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| 11:27.26 | RichiH | next obscure question: when i search for a package name on snapshot.debian.net, it will list _all_ versions that were ever available in debian, correct? or will it just list the newest one for whatever branch it found? |
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| 11:31.51 | dondelelcaro | RichiH: it'll list the versions that it has; it doesn't differentiate based on branches |
| 11:33.12 | GarulfoUnix | I use Debian Sid. Someone have some problem with console-data and console-common by doing an upgrade recently ? |
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| 11:33.43 | MindCr | GarulfoUnix, i have the same problem |
| 11:34.05 | mitziyahu | what problems are those? |
| 11:34.34 | GarulfoUnix | it says it cannot configure it :/ |
| 11:34.45 | mitziyahu | no error? |
| 11:34.46 | sepski | can i replace the word AFTER the match in a search and replace ? sed/awk/perl/whatever |
| 11:34.47 | GarulfoUnix | MindCr: oki |
| 11:35.00 | GarulfoUnix | sepski: yes, it's this! |
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| 11:36.04 | RichiH | dondelelcaro: hmm, pity |
| 11:36.24 | mitziyahu | sepski: a regex /word(.*)\s/ |
| 11:37.11 | Marius | how can see my memory consumtion (graph)? |
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| 11:37.22 | sepski | Marius, i like munin |
| 11:38.33 | GarulfoUnix | mitziyahu: i can see that : no template type specified at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 34, <GEN0> chunk 10. |
| 11:38.50 | GarulfoUnix | i tried to do : dpkg --configure console-data but without success :/ |
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| 11:39.03 | sepski | mitziyahu, thanks ill try |
| 11:39.16 | nse | hello. do I need to install acon so that I can read arabic chars? |
| 11:39.18 | Soroush | aren't cd images for eth4 exist |
| 11:39.20 | mitziyahu | maybe this would help http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/32099543d0cfeeea/54db596b7b53033d |
| 11:39.24 | mitziyahu | GarulfoUnix |
| 11:39.30 | Soroush | I want the old cds for netinst |
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| 11:39.44 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
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| 11:39.51 | GarulfoUnix | i look at that. thanks mitziyahu :) |
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| 11:39.58 | themill | Soroush: how old are you looking for? Sarge? |
| 11:40.02 | uzbek | how can i create my own keyboard layout? |
| 11:40.20 | Soroush | the base release of etc4 themill |
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| 11:40.43 | themill | Soroush: etch r0? |
| 11:40.49 | soul9 | hi all |
| 11:40.56 | Soroush | yes themill |
| 11:41.02 | soul9 | i have installed a debian system with debootstrap |
| 11:41.06 | soul9 | all is going pretty well |
| 11:41.21 | soul9 | but my hostname isn't being eaten by debian for some reason |
| 11:41.27 | soul9 | i have edited /etc/hosts, though |
| 11:41.31 | themill | Soroush: I don't know whether that's available. Why wouldn't you just grab etch r3 anyway though? |
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| 11:42.03 | Soroush | themill, becuase I don't have the other dvds |
| 11:42.39 | themill | Soroush: but you don't need the other dvds if you're doing a netinst |
| 11:42.58 | Soroush | I just want a very minimal install of debian that can be upgraded for using in a virtual machine |
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| 11:43.27 | Soroush | themill , you mean it doesn't let me to use aptitude or apt-get? |
| 11:44.09 | themill | Soroush: So just install the netinst of 4.0r3 and don't select any tasks in the last "tasksel" stage. You can happily install more packages over ftp or http using apt-get or aptitude later. |
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| 11:45.02 | Evil-MoBo | hey guys and gals anyone know of a bandwidth monitor so i can monitor remote sites |
| 11:45.03 | Evil-MoBo | ? |
| 11:45.21 | Soroush | themill, oops. ftp:'( i'm sure I don't have access in internet when I need the packages |
| 11:45.53 | Soroush | i got what is up , thanks anyway themill |
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| 11:46.06 | themill | Soroush: ok... have fun |
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| 11:47.07 | Soroush | themill, can't i install debian as minimal as netinstall with debian dvds? |
| 11:47.49 | themill | Soroush: yes. Just don't select anything at tasksel stage. All the installers are identical, the only difference is whether you install things from dvd or by downloading them at the end. |
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| 11:49.02 | jaggy- | hibernate makes my screen blank out then it comes right back |
| 11:49.16 | ChrisW | hey all - I'm getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when doing an aptitude update, what does that mean? |
| 11:49.24 | soul9 | $ cat /mnt/debian/etc/hosts |
| 11:49.24 | soul9 | 127.0.0.1localhost |
| 11:49.24 | soul9 | 127.0.1.1Dbox |
| 11:49.29 | soul9 | this is my hosts file |
| 11:49.39 | soul9 | the hostname is still set to (none) |
| 11:50.01 | themill | !mmap |
| 11:50.02 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 11:50.28 | Soroush | thanks themill |
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| 11:50.39 | Evil-MoBo | any one knowledgable about web hosting and or bandwidth monitoring |
| 11:50.41 | Evil-MoBo | with debian |
| 11:50.42 | Evil-MoBo | ? |
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| 11:51.37 | ChrisW | themill: thanks |
| 11:51.48 | themill | np |
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| 11:52.04 | ChrisW | is there any easy way to find out if I have any packages from testing installed? |
| 11:52.11 | tolecnal | Evil-MoBo: many ways to monitor bandwidt. vnstat, mrtg, snmp etc etc |
| 11:52.18 | themill | ChrisW: not really. |
| 11:52.40 | ChrisW | if I remove the entry from sources.list, will packages from testing barf or just not be updated? |
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| 11:52.44 | crow | hello, everyone! root@svr-03:/home/public/backup# rm CDR0002.GHO |
| 11:52.44 | crow | rm: cannot remove `CDR0002.GHO': Operation not permitted |
| 11:52.59 | crow | I'm root |
| 11:53.11 | ChrisW | did you check the permissions of file file? |
| 11:53.13 | mitziyahu | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.14 | themill | ChrisW: you can remove the entry and then look at the list of "Locally installed packages" in synaptic or aptitude. |
| 11:53.19 | ChrisW | of *the* file, sorry... |
| 11:53.25 | snewp | when i try to install a certain app with synaptic i got this msg: Depends: python (<2.5) but 2.5.2-0.1 is to be installed. got any idea ? |
| 11:53.37 | dimir | crow: make sure the partition is not mounted (or remounted) read-only. |
| 11:53.39 | ChrisW | themill: how do I do that in aptitude? |
| 11:53.59 | ChrisW | snewp: what app is it? |
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| 11:54.26 | snewp | ChrisW: it's python-compizconfig and awn-manager |
| 11:54.33 | themill | ChrisW: nfi... I only use aptitude as a command-line thing. There should be a section called that (or similar). |
| 11:54.56 | ChrisW | I only use aptitude as a command-line thing too ;-) So how do I do it from there? |
| 11:55.22 | ChrisW | snewp: sounds like you have one app that needs python 2.4 and another that needs python 2.5... I dunno if debian supports more that one python version installed at the same time :-/ |
| 11:55.28 | crow | /dev/sda5 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime) |
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| 11:55.37 | jaggy- | anyone know why hibernate blacks out them comes right back? |
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| 11:56.03 | ChrisW | crow: what are the permissions on the file? (ls -la) |
| 11:56.11 | idimmu | crow: do lsattr <file> |
| 11:56.23 | themill | ChrisW: ummm.... there's probably a search for that, but my aptitude-fu doesn't go that far ;( |
| 11:56.30 | crow | -----a------------ ./CDR0004.GHO |
| 11:56.34 | crow | lsattr |
| 11:56.35 | idimmu | yeah |
| 11:56.58 | crow | -rwxrwxrwx 1 nobody nogroup 4798456999 Oct 25 09:20 CDR0002.GHO |
| 11:57.05 | themill | ChrisW: you could try something like this though... ymmv -- it's a horrid hack: http://rafb.net/p/NHAVQ734.html |
| 11:57.35 | jaggy- | :/ |
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| 11:57.44 | ChrisW | themill: eep, what does that script do? |
| 11:57.45 | idimmu | i think you want to remove that a |
| 11:58.00 | ChrisW | idimmu: looks like her could do with inserting brain too ;-) |
| 11:58.03 | ChrisW | (sorry, mean I know...) |
| 11:58.11 | ChrisW | her -> he |
| 11:58.12 | crow | there are some Chinese files in this dir |
| 11:58.29 | idimmu | i like chinese food |
| 11:58.35 | ChrisW | me too |
| 11:58.49 | crow | hehe~, but any idea about the problem? |
| 11:58.54 | idimmu | tries to remember wtf the lsattr output means |
| 11:59.06 | idimmu | yes i reckon (i might be wrong) lsattr is set so you cant delete the file |
| 11:59.11 | crow | there is no -i option |
| 11:59.15 | themill | ChrisW: It tries to match the current download location of packages based on the package versions. |
| 11:59.26 | ChrisW | where'd you get it from? |
| 11:59.40 | themill | ChrisW: If you use it, I'd recommend saving its output and then post-processing it. I hacked it up. |
| 11:59.59 | Evil-MoBo | tolecnal will that monitor remote websites thow |
| 12:00.19 | idimmu | ah, the a means you can only append to the file |
| 12:00.25 | ChrisW | themill: thanks, output looks awesome |
| 12:00.41 | ChrisW | I just piped it through "grep testing" and got nothing, so I guess the testing line can safely go :-( |
| 12:00.43 | themill | ChrisW: It's slow ugly and clunky though... but probably effective ;) |
| 12:00.47 | ChrisW | :-), even |
| 12:01.03 | idimmu | crow chattr -a <file> |
| 12:01.06 | idimmu | then rm <File> |
| 12:01.07 | idimmu | ? |
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| 12:01.17 | couard | Hello |
| 12:01.17 | themill | ChrisW: it would probably show up as "lenny", but that depends on your sources.list |
| 12:01.21 | couard | anyone here? |
| 12:01.37 | couard | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.39 | couard | i wanna fuck |
| 12:01.48 | couard | i'll also take christian or jewish boys |
| 12:01.53 | couard | under 12 |
| 12:02.02 | idimmu | im 8 but im a muslim boy |
| 12:02.09 | themill | !ops couard is trolling |
| 12:02.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: themill complains about: couard is trolling |
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| 12:02.31 | ChrisW | themill: well, I grepped for all the palces testing packages could have come from given my sources.list, and it's all empty, so I guess removing hte line is safe :-( |
| 12:02.34 | ChrisW | :-), even |
| 12:02.42 | ChrisW | dammit,I seem perpetually unhappy today... |
| 12:02.47 | idimmu | kicks crow in the nuts |
| 12:02.51 | couard | that's cause you're christian |
| 12:02.57 | couard | if you were muslim you'd be happy |
| 12:02.59 | couard | and not blown up |
| 12:03.16 | couard | now where are your jewish and christian women? |
| 12:03.18 | couard | i wanna fuck |
| 12:03.19 | themill | ChrisW: sounds plausible ;) You should be safe to do that then. Just comment it if you want and see if you later get "held" packages. |
| 12:03.27 | couard | i'll also fuck crusaders boys |
| 12:03.28 | couard | under 12 |
| 12:03.33 | couard | any boys in here under 12? |
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| 12:03.43 | couard | take my cock in your tiny tight little mouth and lick it |
| 12:03.45 | themill | couard: please be quiet |
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| 12:03.52 | couard | jimbalaya: become muslim |
| 12:03.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 12:03.56 | couard | or suk me |
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| 12:04.04 | RichiH | heh |
| 12:04.06 | idimmu | someone banned the wrong person :o |
| 12:04.06 | themill | azeem: second try luck |
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| 12:04.28 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@client-82-2-122-220.brnt.adsl.virgin.net] by azeem |
| 12:04.42 | themill | makes a note to not be alphabetically close to trolls in azeem's nicklist |
| 12:04.45 | sussudio | fucking egyptians |
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| 12:05.10 | ChrisW | eh? |
| 12:05.28 | sussudio | that couard idiot... i recognized the 41.23x IP range of assholes |
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| 12:05.43 | ChrisW | ah |
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| 12:06.07 | ChrisW | well, hate to be pedantic, but by applying the same block judgement, you're almost being as bad as him ;-) |
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| 12:06.23 | sussudio | no, they're all assholes... |
| 12:06.35 | themill | !ot |
| 12:06.36 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 12:06.50 | sussudio | !fist themill |
| 12:06.51 | dpkg | uses themill as a handpuppet |
| 12:06.59 | themill | sussudio: uncalled for. Please stop. |
| 12:07.15 | ChrisW | but ya look kinda cute as a hand puppet ;-) |
| 12:08.09 | nse | is sans Ok for displaying arabic chars? |
| 12:08.11 | sussudio | damn nubs. |
| 12:08.24 | cast | weird bu with m2n-vm mobo and eth |
| 12:08.27 | cast | bug* |
| 12:08.52 | cast | forcedeth reports it as eth0 but apparently its eth2 or some such, |
| 12:09.08 | ChrisW | nse: not really a sensible question - it's certainly possible to have a sans arabic typeface... I think you mean to ask about a particular font? |
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| 12:10.01 | curtmack | Why can't I edit a GRUB entry? |
| 12:10.14 | curtmack | When I use e it works, but I can't get it to save the new entry |
| 12:10.23 | azeem | curtmack: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 12:11.01 | nse | ChrisW: well the font that I am using ti display irc is sans. and this is ok to chinese chars. I did install acon. the function of acon is to display arabic text |
| 12:11.22 | nse | but I still can't read the text that my arabian friends send me |
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| 12:13.40 | RichiH | azeem: you are still opped |
| 12:13.47 | RichiH | also, the ban is moot as the guy is klined |
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| 12:14.23 | azeem | 14:08 -!- mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 12:14.25 | azeem | huh |
| 12:14.39 | RichiH | oh |
| 12:14.41 | RichiH | i missed that |
| 12:14.43 | RichiH | sowwy |
| 12:14.45 | azeem | np |
| 12:15.05 | RichiH | evil azeem, not talking after he deops |
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| 12:15.31 | themill | dpkg: fix RichiH's irc client |
| 12:15.31 | dpkg | takes RichiH's irc client to the vet for a "special" visit. |
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| 12:17.28 | sussudio | pff. |
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| 12:19.35 | dustybin | anybody here use fail2ban |
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| 12:19.49 | themill | dustybin: assume yes and ask your real question |
| 12:19.54 | _bb7_ | how can I list all network ports in use? |
| 12:19.59 | cast | yeah, the forcedeth dmesg said it was eth0, despite me only having a single ethernet card i had to use eth1 |
| 12:20.16 | themill | _bb7_: netstat -pant |
| 12:20.36 | _bb7_ | thank you! |
| 12:21.01 | themill | cast: you might find that it increments to a new ethX on each reboot... /msg dpkg forcedeth mac |
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| 12:22.24 | anoHito | hi guys, i have a question please |
| 12:22.37 | azeem | !ask |
| 12:22.38 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 12:23.07 | cast | themill: interesting, |
| 12:23.32 | anoHito | i have changed a folder ownership and group from apache to user,no problem from then on until try to upload new files,after that the new files' ownership and group change back to apache apache, any idea ? |
| 12:23.42 | anoHito | it would be user user . |
| 12:23.43 | dustybin | ? |
| 12:24.14 | idimmu | apache is the process saving the files |
| 12:24.15 | idimmu | so thats why |
| 12:24.37 | idimmu | you can u use chmod to force ownership of files to that of the directory |
| 12:24.39 | anoHito | h idimmu ,may i ask more ? |
| 12:24.42 | themill | cast: it's something screwy with the way the MAC is stored on the card. ISTR that it's on a separate chip that linux can't access so if the kernel detects this problem it makes up a random mac. But the random mac is different each time so the z25 udev rule is broken. |
| 12:25.17 | anoHito | idimmu, yeah,i can do that,but that means i have to do that everytime after new files are bing sent. |
| 12:25.24 | dustybin | themill: when configuring fail2ban, are you meant to edit /etc/fail2ban/jail.conf or create a /etc/fail2ban/jail.local ? |
| 12:25.32 | cast | themill: i remember with with an older nforce model, to WOL it i had to reverse the mac :| |
| 12:25.58 | anoHito | idimmu, first of all,you meant that thing is normal ? secondly, is there any permenent mothod to fix it out ? |
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| 12:26.04 | sirina | moin moin! |
| 12:26.12 | idimmu | its normal behaviour |
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| 12:26.28 | anoHito | idimmu, hmm |
| 12:26.53 | anoHito | idimmu, the customer cannot edit the files because they dont belong to him |
| 12:26.54 | themill | dustybin: please ask the entire channel not just one person. Also, read /usr/share/doc/fail2ban/README.Debian.gz |
| 12:27.03 | anoHito | they belong to apache apache |
| 12:27.04 | idimmu | sucks to be him! |
| 12:27.09 | sirina | ppl here to help installing a module for an avm wlan-dongle? .. |
| 12:27.10 | idimmu | yes thats because apache is writing the files |
| 12:27.22 | anoHito | idimmu, so i have to do it for him by logging in ssh. |
| 12:27.34 | idimmu | why not alter the script that uploads the files |
| 12:27.39 | anoHito | idimmu, would you think out a way to fix it out ? |
| 12:27.42 | idimmu | so it chmods them after it writes? |
| 12:27.45 | idimmu | chowns even |
| 12:28.01 | themill | anoHito: you can make a cron job to reset the ownership on a regular basis, or use suPHP to run the upload script as the user. (This is a common problem for which there aren't really any good solutions.) |
| 12:28.02 | anoHito | alter the script ? pardon me ? |
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| 12:28.19 | idimmu | what mechanism are you using to get apache to write the files to the disk? |
| 12:28.28 | idimmu | webdav? a php/perl/cgi script? |
| 12:28.53 | anoHito | the customer runs a forum on the server,he uses the forum script to do it. |
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| 12:29.11 | anoHito | the forum contains a part that calls CMS something. |
| 12:29.18 | idimmu | right, so change the forum script to chown the file after it writes it |
| 12:29.24 | sirina | the first action of the makefile "make -C /lib/modules/uname -r/build modules" gives the error "no rule for modules, closing." (or something like that. its translated ;) |
| 12:29.41 | anoHito | he uses the CMS to generate contents of the webpages,and write to the disk,i agree its apache actually does it for him |
| 12:29.48 | MindTheGap | hello all, when using "dd" to write an image to an ext3 partition I got an error about "max file size". As I understand, ext3 has a 16GB file size limit but "dd" will stop writing this file at 2GB... whats happening? |
| 12:29.54 | sirina | what should i do now? .. im new to linux |
| 12:30.24 | idimmu | mindthegap 32 bit limit is 2gb iir |
| 12:30.28 | idimmu | we had that problem with log files recently |
| 12:30.34 | idimmu | i guess its a flaw with dd |
| 12:30.39 | anoHito | idimmu, i dont get it how do i do that |
| 12:30.49 | idimmu | anoHito: get a different job? |
| 12:31.04 | anoHito | maybe what themill just said is a clue ? |
| 12:31.10 | anoHito | he said, make a cron job |
| 12:31.21 | idimmu | there are many ways to solve the 'problem' |
| 12:31.31 | idimmu | you could make a cron job |
| 12:31.34 | MindTheGap | idimuu, any suggestion? |
| 12:32.03 | idimmu | im trying to remember how we got round it |
| 12:32.10 | anoHito | idimmu, i dont get what you said change the script....the scrip he uses from a retail product,i dont think its easy to edit it ,better we do it in the server side maybe ? |
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| 12:32.47 | idimmu | anoHito: thats a lot of uneducated guesswork you're making with no real investigation |
| 12:33.21 | idimmu | id just do themill's suggestion of a cron job that chowns all the file in your upload directory every minute or so |
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| 12:35.17 | themill | ugly but effective. I wouldn't do it every minute though... maybe every 5 or 10mins. Or even hack up some inotify handler to do it... |
| 12:35.40 | idimmu | id just change the script |
| 12:35.42 | idimmu | heh |
| 12:36.00 | anoHito | idimmu, would you tell me how do i do that exactly ? thank you ,for example,i would make a cron job to change the owership and group to yamasaki yamasaki on the path of /home/yamasaki/web/attachments |
| 12:36.12 | idimmu | in /etc/crontab |
| 12:36.14 | idimmu | add the line |
| 12:36.22 | stew | anoHito: why not make this folder owned by the user group and set it g+s, and make suer apache has umask 002 ? |
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| 12:36.48 | idimmu | 5 * * * * root chown -R yamasaki: /home/yamasaki/web/attachments |
| 12:37.08 | idimmu | then every 5 minutes it will change ownership (recursively) of every file in that directory |
| 12:37.16 | idimmu | 5 * * * * root chown -R yamasaki: /home/yamasaki/web/attachments/* |
| 12:37.21 | curtmack | X just crashed. It doesn't respond to any keystrokes (including ctrl-alt-backspace) or, as far as I can tell, any other events, including attempts to switch to a virtual terminal. Any ideas other than killing at the power switch? |
| 12:37.24 | idimmu | might be best actually so it doesnt catch the attachments directory itself |
| 12:37.31 | anoHito | stew, i did the first part,but all news files change back to apache apache after being created by apache,i dont know how to do that to make apache as umask 002 |
| 12:37.46 | cast | curtmack: i think you rooted unless you can login remotely |
| 12:38.00 | curtmack | which I can't |
| 12:38.02 | curtmack | okay then |
| 12:38.08 | k-man__ | sound doesn't seem to play properly from youtube and google video in firefox |
| 12:38.15 | k-man__ | any idea how to fix that? |
| 12:38.20 | curtmack | then kill it with fire and hope it doesn't bork my hard drive? |
| 12:38.20 | themill | anoHito: that's what the g+s bit does -- it should set the group to be the one you want |
| 12:38.26 | cast | curtmack: does the numlock light still work? |
| 12:38.34 | curtmack | doesn't seem too |
| 12:38.36 | curtmack | *to |
| 12:38.41 | cast | curtmack: i find that a good indicator of when ive really locked up my desktop :< |
| 12:38.47 | stew | anoHito: they would not be apache:apache, they would be apache:yamasaki or whatever if the group was g+s. you can change apache's by putting "uname 002" at the top of the init script which starts apache |
| 12:38.53 | curtmack | so kill it with fire time? |
| 12:39.40 | anoHito | stew, will that bring out securty problem ? |
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| 12:40.31 | stew | anoHito: no |
| 12:41.31 | anoHito | stew, sorry,i mean after this is done, the customers can edit files permitions ? |
| 12:41.37 | curtmack | okay, had to kill it at the switch :( this computer doesn't like that, so I'll have to wait a bit before I can start it up again |
| 12:42.21 | stew | anoHito: no |
| 12:42.38 | stew | anoHito: the file permissions would be fixed at 664 |
| 12:42.49 | stew | anoHito: and editable only by root and apache |
| 12:42.56 | tshru | hey guys i've setup vncserver on my debian 4.0 machine, when i remote to it, it just sits there, the cursor works with a blue splash screen thats it, it aint loading the desktop any ideas why? |
| 12:43.16 | anoHito | his goal is ,he can change his file permition to 777 after they are created by apache. |
| 12:43.32 | stew | anoHito: why would you ever want 777? |
| 12:43.48 | curtmack | stew: I use it for my wine drive_c folder |
| 12:44.03 | stew | curtmack: why? |
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| 12:44.11 | curtmack | it's a nice convenience as long as you're not paranoid |
| 12:44.29 | stew | its crazy |
| 12:44.38 | curtmack | so I don't have to su to modify or run the files in it |
| 12:44.41 | stew | expecially for files that a webserver has access to |
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| 12:44.54 | curtmack | stew: Well duh, but this computer isn't a webserver. It's a personal computer. |
| 12:46.10 | Eulex | curtmack, did you know that you can specify mount options that make the files owned by you? |
| 12:46.22 | Eulex | ah, wait |
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| 12:46.39 | stew | if he could, he wouldn't be able to chmod |
| 12:46.40 | Eulex | I read windows drive c, please ignore |
| 12:47.03 | Younix | what's a good window manager |
| 12:47.10 | anoHito | idimmu, there ? |
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| 12:47.22 | stew | Younix: you'd have to tell us what qualities you think qualify one as good |
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| 12:47.37 | Eulex | curtmack, then the _real_ question is: why is your drive_c directory not owned by you? |
| 12:47.38 | Younix | one that ones smoothly and easily |
| 12:47.39 | anoHito | idimmu, may i ask, i should do it twice so one is for chgrp another is for chown ? |
| 12:47.49 | Younix | stew: looking for something really lightweight..i only have 64MB of RAM |
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| 12:48.44 | idimmu | when you do chown username: it will change the group to username as well |
| 12:48.46 | Younix | bah, i'll just install xfce4 |
| 12:48.57 | idimmu | so there is no point doing chgrp |
| 12:49.02 | idimmu | as chown will do it |
| 12:49.13 | Eulex | idimmu, well, if you only wanted to change group... |
| 12:49.26 | idimmu | he doesnt tho, does he? |
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| 12:50.45 | stew | Younix: there are lots, and most are lightweight. "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will list them |
| 12:50.49 | Eulex | idimmu, yeah |
| 12:51.08 | idimmu | thanks for the input! |
| 12:51.18 | Younix | stew: thanks..i just got that from dpkg a sec ago |
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| 12:55.05 | XTZGZoReX | What's the apt-get command to install WINE? |
| 12:55.18 | Younix | dpkg: wine |
| 12:55.19 | dpkg | it has been said that wine is packaged in the 'wine' package. http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq (irc.freenode.net). Stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator. A buggy alternative win32 API, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
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| 12:55.23 | Younix | D: |
| 12:55.31 | Younix | i guess aptitude install wine |
| 12:55.32 | SlimeyPete | apt-get install wine |
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| 12:56.40 | XTZGZoReX | That doesn't work, unfortunately. |
| 12:56.47 | dustybin | i cannot get fail2ban to send root email here is what some parts of me config looks like: |
| 12:56.50 | dustybin | destemail = root@localhost |
| 12:56.56 | XTZGZoReX | E: Package wine has no installation candidate |
| 12:57.07 | dustybin | mta = mail |
| 12:57.21 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: which version of Debian? |
| 12:57.23 | zhan_zr | The wine package in debian resource site is somehow old. I suggest that download the source code from www.winehq.com and make it. |
| 12:57.29 | XTZGZoReX | azeem: debian etch 4.0 |
| 12:57.30 | azeem | zhan_zr: eh? |
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| 12:57.38 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: pastebin your sources.list |
| 12:57.40 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 12:57.40 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 12:57.41 | zhan_zr | azeem: Yes |
| 12:57.58 | azeem | zhan_zr: well, stable is always "somehow old", wine is no different |
| 12:58.05 | XTZGZoReX | azeem: How do I grab those? |
| 12:58.16 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:58.49 | XTZGZoReX | azeem: http://rafb.net/p/IpaUIi27.html |
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| 12:59.12 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: don't use ftp.debian.org, use a mirror |
| 12:59.18 | azeem | !mirrors |
| 12:59.18 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 12:59.26 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: then, run apt-get update |
| 12:59.30 | Younix | weird, i get X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (no such file or directory) aborting when i try to start xfce |
| 12:59.32 | themill | azeem: sometimes wine is like clamav virus definitions and spamassassin rules though... sometimes volatility is worthwhile or needed. |
| 13:00.00 | zhan_zr | Younix: Have you install xorg-server? |
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| 13:00.08 | Younix | ;/ |
| 13:00.09 | Younix | no sir |
| 13:00.21 | XTZGZoReX | azeem-uni: I'm a bit lost in that list of mirrors - what do I use, and where do I insert it? |
| 13:00.31 | zhan_zr | Younix: You are supposed to install xorg-server first. |
| 13:00.39 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: one from in or near your country |
| 13:00.54 | Younix | zhan_zr: so..now i have to reinstall xfce4? |
| 13:01.01 | zhan_zr | Younix: Before you can run any X thing such as a window manager. |
| 13:01.03 | anoHito | idimmu, i add it in /etc/crontab or what ? |
| 13:01.04 | zhan_zr | Younix: No. |
| 13:01.09 | Younix | kills self |
| 13:01.16 | idimmu | anoHito: yes |
| 13:01.21 | XTZGZoReX | azeem: Figured that, although, where do I paste the mirror? |
| 13:01.42 | XTZGZoReX | azeem: I'm sort of lost in the format of sources.list |
| 13:01.43 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: you replace the ftp.debian.org line with that mirror line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:01.44 | anoHito | idimmu, after that,i should do what to make it affectively ? |
| 13:01.51 | anoHito | effectively. |
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| 13:02.03 | idimmu | you dont need to do anything |
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| 13:02.05 | idimmu | thats all you have to do |
| 13:02.09 | idimmu | just add that line to crontab |
| 13:02.19 | anoHito | idimmu, let me try,thank you . |
| 13:02.26 | idimmu | ok |
| 13:02.47 | Younix | zhan_zr: methinks xserver-xorg? not xorg-server? |
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| 13:03.05 | XTZGZoReX | azeem: Seems to work - a sec. |
| 13:03.12 | zhan_zr | Younix: Maybe. Have a try. |
| 13:03.20 | anoHito | idimmu, i should add the line before the # mark in crontab ? |
| 13:03.39 | XTZGZoReX | azeem: Done, but the new sources list gives me the same WINE error. |
| 13:03.42 | k-man__ | can you play .asx files directly in iceweasel? |
| 13:03.48 | idimmu | add it as the very last line |
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| 13:04.05 | idimmu | and do not put a # on the line else it will be a comment |
| 13:04.10 | curtmack | oh joy... |
| 13:04.32 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: what does "apt-cache policy wine" say? |
| 13:04.33 | rhineheart_m | hello.. are the commands of ubuntu similar with debian? |
| 13:04.34 | curtmack | well, it seems the xserver-xorg configuration can't figure out how my monitor works |
| 13:04.44 | anoHito | idimmu, thanks. |
| 13:04.45 | idimmu | rhineheart_m: yes |
| 13:04.51 | idimmu | cool |
| 13:05.04 | XTZGZoReX | azeem: |
| 13:05.04 | cast | i'd like a little volume control icon on my systray, am using kmix at the moment, but just noticed it took all of 5 seconds to start up [as the rest of kde no doubt started with it], any suggests on other tools? |
| 13:05.04 | XTZGZoReX | Installed: (none) |
| 13:05.04 | XTZGZoReX | Candidate: (none) |
| 13:05.04 | XTZGZoReX | Version table: |
| 13:05.09 | curtmack | any ideas how I can figure out the sync information so I can enter it in manually? |
| 13:05.13 | zhan_zr | rhineheart_m:You can say that.Since both them are linux. |
| 13:05.17 | rhineheart_m | idimmu, really? but without sudo |
| 13:05.33 | Younix | what are me |
| 13:05.39 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: pastebin the output of "apt-get update" |
| 13:05.48 | idimmu | yup |
| 13:05.52 | zhan_zr | rhineheart_m: Because you havn |
| 13:06.02 | Younix | is there a utorrent package |
| 13:06.03 | zhan_zr | rhineheart_m: 't installed sudo package. |
| 13:06.11 | XTZGZoReX | azeem http://rafb.net/p/saWHdr84.html |
| 13:06.19 | rhineheart_m | I have actually ubuntu server running.. and I love it.. but I want to try debian.. |
| 13:06.40 | stew | XTZGZoReX: what arch are you running? |
| 13:06.59 | zhan_zr | rhineheart_m: Now what is your doubt? |
| 13:07.02 | rhineheart_m | since I heard that ubuntu are for beginners and debian are for advance users.. how true is it? |
| 13:07.09 | XTZGZoReX | stew: Arch? |
| 13:07.15 | XTZGZoReX | Architecture? |
| 13:07.19 | themill | XTZGZoReX: yes |
| 13:07.23 | zhan_zr | rhineheart_m: Partly. |
| 13:07.24 | stew | XTZGZoReX: yes, i386? amd64? powerpc? |
| 13:07.27 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: what does "dpkg --print-installation-architecture" say? |
| 13:07.40 | XTZGZoReX | amd64. |
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| 13:07.44 | rhineheart_m | zhan_zr, can you tell me your reason? |
| 13:07.51 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: then get wine from backports.org |
| 13:07.58 | azeem | it's not included in 4.0/etch for amd64 |
| 13:08.05 | azeem | !backports.org |
| 13:08.05 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 13:08.07 | rhineheart_m | if the command lines are just the same... why you are telling me that then? |
| 13:08.15 | Kifah | does anyone use httping? |
| 13:08.16 | XTZGZoReX | Strange. I installed it with apt-get some months ago on the same server arch. |
| 13:08.26 | themill | !tell rhineheart_m about why debian |
| 13:08.31 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: maybe that was a 32bit installation then |
| 13:08.42 | stew | XTZGZoReX: then your sources.list were different or you were running i386 |
| 13:08.44 | XTZGZoReX | azeem: 32bit wine on 64bit arch? |
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| 13:08.53 | zhan_zr | rhineheart_m: I can't quite descript to you.But Ubuntu make more configure than debian does. |
| 13:08.54 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: no, the install |
| 13:09.12 | XTZGZoReX | azeem: doubt it - i used my hosts debian image, which is 64 |
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| 13:09.23 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: you definetely did not install wine from etch on amd64 because it does not exist |
| 13:09.26 | zhan_zr | rhineheart_m: While debian leaves a lot for the user. |
| 13:09.33 | rhineheart_m | what do you mean zhan_zr... ubuntu requires more configuration than debian? |
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| 13:09.53 | rhineheart_m | or the other way around.. |
| 13:09.54 | themill | XTZGZoReX: or you had backports.org already. Are you installing wine on a server? |
| 13:09.56 | XTZGZoReX | azeem: Strange. Anywho, doesnt matter. How do I add a mirror from backports.org? |
| 13:10.03 | XTZGZoReX | themill: Server. |
| 13:10.07 | azeem | XTZGZoReX: /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 13:10.12 | zhan_zr | rhineheart_m: No.Debian need more configure by hand. |
| 13:10.37 | themill | XTZGZoReX: ummm... your box, you can do what you like... but why? |
| 13:10.38 | rhineheart_m | zhan_zr, can you site an example? |
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| 13:11.17 | dustybin | zhan_zr: we are not into gui rubbish, we are vi + config kind of people :P |
| 13:11.33 | XTZGZoReX | azeem: Wil ltry that. |
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| 13:11.42 | XTZGZoReX | themill: What? |
| 13:11.56 | zhan_zr | rhineheart_m: No. I don't know about the quite subtle detailed differences,nor do I care about them. |
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| 13:12.05 | themill | XTZGZoReX: installing wine on a server is a rather unusual thing to do. |
| 13:12.13 | XTZGZoReX | themill: Oh, indeed. |
| 13:12.14 | dustybin | i found this on my server, spooky!!! |
| 13:12.17 | dustybin | -rw------- 1 root root 8 2008-04-14 13:55 dead.letter |
| 13:12.28 | XTZGZoReX | themill: I intend to use it to test mIRC on a Linux server. |
| 13:12.28 | anoHito | idimmu, seems it doesnt work |
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| 13:12.41 | wald0 | vvd: what is /etc/default/locale exactly for ? |
| 13:12.51 | idimmu | paste the line you put in crontab |
| 13:12.52 | chops | dustybin: I would assume that that's a file full of mail that wasn't deliverable to any address. |
| 13:12.58 | idimmu | and an ls -al of the folder |
| 13:13.04 | idimmu | you might want to use pastebin |
| 13:13.13 | XTZGZoReX | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 13:13.19 | XTZGZoReX | Eh.. |
| 13:13.25 | XTZGZoReX | I get that error after apt-get update. |
| 13:13.26 | chops | XTZGZoReX: Read the instructions on backports.org |
| 13:13.29 | themill | XTZGZoReX: please read why dpkg told you in detail. |
| 13:13.34 | zhan_zr | XTZGZoReX: Grabbing the sourcecode and compiled it would be rather simple. |
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| 13:13.57 | XTZGZoReX | zhan_zr: Well, I <3 apt-get. :) |
| 13:13.58 | themill | zhan_zr: have you ever compiled wine yourself? |
| 13:14.13 | zhan_zr | themill: Yes. |
| 13:14.43 | mquin | XTZGZoReX: try installing 'debian-backports-keyring' |
| 13:14.44 | themill | zhan_zr: so you'd know that it's a pita, takes a long time and isn't something that you'd suggest to someone who is obviously struggling with things. |
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| 13:15.27 | XTZGZoReX | mquin: Yeah, I thought that wasnt related to my error, though. |
| 13:15.39 | anoHito | idimmu, 5 * * * * root chown -R yamasaki: /home/yamasaki/web/attachments/* |
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| 13:16.02 | anoHito | idimmu, i do ls -l ,in attachments, some files are still set as apache apache |
| 13:16.03 | zhan_zr | themill: OIC. I just suggest If he need it just now and can't wait for a long download time, he can try compiling. |
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| 13:16.50 | idimmu | are also some files setto yamasaki:yamasaki ? |
| 13:16.53 | idimmu | *set to |
| 13:16.58 | XTZGZoReX | azeem/themill/stew: Thanks, got it resolved - backports.org installs it fine. :) |
| 13:17.16 | anoHito | idimmu, i don't get you ? |
| 13:17.38 | anoHito | idimmu, many files there look like yamasaki yamasaki files,ok |
| 13:17.49 | anoHito | but new files there are still apche apache |
| 13:17.52 | idimmu | i fucked up the crontab |
| 13:18.04 | idimmu | 5 * * * * * will do it at 5 past the hour |
| 13:18.12 | anoHito | so after i did that in crontab,i waited for 5 minutes,check,no change. |
| 13:18.31 | anoHito | there is 4 stars |
| 13:18.44 | idimmu | you want every 5 minutes which i think is */5 * * * * * |
| 13:18.45 | anoHito | currently, 5 * * * * root chown -R yamasaki: /home/yamasaki/web/attachments/* |
| 13:18.48 | idimmu | ithink |
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| 13:18.53 | anoHito | oh. |
| 13:18.59 | themill | zhan_zr: you must have either an awesomely fast processor and disk for compiling, or an incredibly slow link for downloading. Oh and the packages are smaller than the source, from memory. |
| 13:19.00 | idimmu | ok yeah there should be 4 *s |
| 13:19.07 | idimmu | */5 * * * * |
| 13:19.17 | anoHito | let me try. |
| 13:19.19 | idimmu | is sleept |
| 13:19.20 | idimmu | is sleepy |
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| 13:20.04 | archonel | Hello, whne i try to create or edit any file i get "-bash: /usr/bin/vi: Input/output error" |
| 13:20.04 | Gul | hi, i just installed python 2.5.2-0.1, this removed rdiff-backup, which needs an older version of python, but i must have rdiff-backup, what do i need to do in this situation? |
| 13:20.06 | archonel | whty is that ? |
| 13:20.12 | archonel | i realy need your help |
| 13:20.58 | idimmu | gul in future dont uninstall packages you need! |
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| 13:21.30 | archonel | idimmu do you khow what the issue might be ? |
| 13:22.07 | zhan_zr | themill: I sometimes need newer version wine. |
| 13:22.40 | zhan_zr | themill: I admit that I am a new version fever. |
| 13:22.43 | Gul | idimmu, what if i need both? i am out of luck then? |
| 13:23.12 | chops | Gul: What package did you need that made you install python 2.5.2-0.1? |
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| 13:23.25 | chops | Gul: Also, did you install the python package, version 2.5, or did you install the python2.5 package? |
| 13:23.37 | azeem | the former |
| 13:23.41 | archonel | chops any hints ? |
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| 13:23.53 | archonel | also when i tri to delete a file i get "Bus error" |
| 13:23.53 | Gul | chops, in this case i didnt need it, but i have had this situation with other packages in the past, that is why i am asking |
| 13:23.59 | anoHito | idimmu, worked :D |
| 13:24.09 | azeem | Gul: "don't use unstable" |
| 13:24.12 | chops | archonel: Off the top of my head I would say that you have hardware trouble |
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| 13:24.38 | chops | Gul: What azeem said -- testing is made somewhat insulated from these sorts of dependency troubles, unstable not at all |
| 13:24.40 | archonel | chops its a brand new pc, where do you think the hardware issue might be ? |
| 13:24.47 | archonel | if i reboot the machine it works perfect |
| 13:24.48 | Gul | specifically i get this: rdiff-backup: Depends: python (< 2.5) but 2.5.2-0.1 is to be installed |
| 13:24.52 | chops | archonel: The hard disk? |
| 13:25.09 | archonel | everything is new |
| 13:25.14 | chops | archonel: I would try booting from a live CD and running badblocks, and also running memtest86 |
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| 13:25.17 | igli | hi i've just installed deb on desktop, having trouble with network card, but also with perms as i have noexec on var and var tmp and nosuid on tmp (noexec got wiped by installer); which of these perms is stopping post-install script from running? |
| 13:25.24 | azeem | Gul: so port rdiff-backup to python2.5 |
| 13:25.24 | chops | archonel: Do you know the term "bathtub curve"? :-) |
| 13:25.34 | archonel | chops - no |
| 13:25.45 | Gul | oh, i didnt know that about unstable vs. testing |
| 13:25.47 | archonel | also strange - if i press the TAB key it closes my putty connection |
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| 13:25.50 | igli | is it nosuid/noexec on var or nosuid on tmp? |
| 13:25.51 | archonel | very weard |
| 13:25.52 | azeem | igli: noexec on var is bad |
| 13:26.01 | igli | ah thanks azeem |
| 13:26.09 | TravellingSalesM | hi all, isn't struct stat a fixed sized struct? i get two different sizes for it in my programs! (i am a newbie) |
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| 13:26.21 | chops | archonel: http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/b/bathtubcurve.html |
| 13:26.33 | Gul | azeem: dont know any python (not that i would have any time for this if i did) |
| 13:26.34 | azeem | TravellingSalesM: please ask elsewhere for programming advice |
| 13:26.39 | azeem | Gul: so run testing |
| 13:26.47 | dverzolla | Mod_Watch is descontinued. Anyone knows some module that do the same job? |
| 13:26.55 | igli | azeem: is it safe to put noexec back on /tmp ? |
| 13:27.03 | azeem | igli: not very |
| 13:27.09 | igli | ok |
| 13:27.14 | Gul | azeem: i am a little afraid of switching, i need to read up on that, any recommendations? |
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| 13:27.25 | azeem | igli: somebody just reported openssh doesn't ugprade if /tmp is noexec |
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| 13:27.45 | azeem | Gul: reinstall etch, then either upgrade to testing or keep running etch |
| 13:27.46 | igli | hmm i'll stick to nosuid then, thanks :) |
| 13:27.49 | azeem | Gul: don't run unstable |
| 13:28.02 | chops | Gul: To solve your immediate problem, just go back to python2.4, since you said you don't need it |
| 13:28.30 | archonel | chops - also sometimes i get the error "Read-only file system" |
| 13:28.53 | azeem | archonel: it's not a software problem anyawy |
| 13:29.00 | azeem | archonel: please contact your hardware dealer |
| 13:29.00 | Gul | azeem: ohh, this is not possible at all, i thought i could do that with dist-upgrade or so, it would take me weeks to do that, comipiling qmail and all, this is a production server |
| 13:29.09 | azeem | Gul: dude |
| 13:29.20 | chops | Gul: To move to a less surprising system, I would recommend changing to testing (just edit /etc/apt/sources.list) and letting testing catch up to where your system is right now. Unless you have a pressing problem, I wouldn't necessarily recommend reinstalling. |
| 13:29.21 | azeem | Gul: at least put that server off the internet then |
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| 13:29.29 | chops | Gul: Do not run unstable or testing on production servers |
| 13:29.29 | azeem | Gul: unstable is NOT for production systems |
| 13:30.17 | idimmu | anoHito: awesome |
| 13:30.36 | igli | is /srv data-only? |
| 13:30.40 | idimmu | archonel: id imagine your hdds are fucked mate :) |
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| 13:31.05 | chops | igli: /srv is for whatever you put in it, it's specifically excluded from any handling by anyone except the admin |
| 13:31.09 | Gul | chops and azeem, thanks |
| 13:31.16 | chops | Gul: np |
| 13:31.27 | anoHito | idimmu, how would it be if i want it to run in every one hour ? |
| 13:31.33 | igli | chops: ty hmm |
| 13:31.56 | chops | igli: Are you looking to fool with your mount options until something breaks? :-) |
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| 13:32.19 | igli | heh no i'm looking to use my restricted mount opts but i guess it amounts to same thing ;) |
| 13:32.26 | idimmu | er |
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| 13:32.42 | idimmu | * */1 * * * |
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| 13:32.46 | idimmu | i think |
| 13:32.52 | chops | idimmu: no |
| 13:33.08 | chops | anoHito: There's a directory for that: /etc/cron.d/hourly |
| 13:33.25 | chops | anoHito: Oh, no, NM -- I made that locally :-) |
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| 13:33.40 | delcoyote | hi |
| 13:33.52 | chops | anoHito: Every hour is 0 * * * * |
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| 13:34.06 | idimmu | yeah what chops said |
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| 13:35.20 | anoHito | chops, in every 5 minute is */5 * * * * ? |
| 13:35.39 | chops | anoHito: I think so, yes |
| 13:35.42 | cast | how would one find out the date debian was installed? |
| 13:36.12 | chops | cast: ls -l --time=ctime --sort=time /etc |
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| 13:36.24 | Azrael_- | hi |
| 13:36.25 | chops | cast: That's how I'd do it -- of course, that's not very scientific :-) |
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| 13:36.54 | cast | hmm |
| 13:36.55 | cast | good plan |
| 13:36.58 | cast | /etc/hostname |
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| 13:37.02 | cast | april fools |
| 13:37.12 | Younix | april goats |
| 13:37.19 | anoHito | idimmu, thank you very much. and chops too, |
| 13:37.26 | chops | anoHito: np |
| 13:37.28 | idimmu | np |
| 13:37.34 | libervisco | Debian Sid is putting my monitor to sleep when booting and then stops |
| 13:37.52 | cast | watches gmail get stuck in a loop |
| 13:38.00 | cast | libervisco: welcome, to sid |
| 13:38.04 | libervisco | I deleted "splash", "vga=794", "quiet", all other options.. |
| 13:38.16 | libervisco | still the same.. which is where it ceases to make sense |
| 13:38.25 | chops | libervisco: Do you see the boot progress at all? |
| 13:38.44 | libervisco | chops: for a little bit, and then it gets dark and it goes to standby |
| 13:38.49 | libervisco | but it's too fast |
| 13:38.49 | chops | libervisco: Are you able to ping or ssh into the machine? |
| 13:39.03 | chops | libervisco: How far does it get? What's the last thing you see? |
| 13:39.08 | libervisco | nope, this is the machine, the only one.. I am now on Hardy livecd.. |
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| 13:39.16 | libervisco | chops: it's too fast to make out |
| 13:39.28 | maveriick_ | hi everybody |
| 13:40.04 | libervisco | last time I did before reboot was dist-upgrade when it complained it couldn't configure console-common |
| 13:40.20 | libervisco | I assumed, an unresolved circular dependency |
| 13:40.21 | chops | libervisco: Do you have X set to automatically run? |
| 13:40.30 | maveriick_ | I am having a great problem installing debian etch onto my new hardware : core 2 duo 2.66 ghz, intel dg33fb motherboard, SATA and IDE HDD and IDE DVD-Rom |
| 13:40.32 | chops | libervisco: Or does it boot to the console? |
| 13:40.44 | maveriick_ | the installer said it can't detect cdrom |
| 13:40.51 | libervisco | chops: I set it to X automatically, but this would be too early to start it |
| 13:40.52 | maveriick_ | But I can see it in dmesg |
| 13:41.11 | libervisco | it gets dark before I think it should be entering X |
| 13:41.15 | chops | maveriick_: Sounds like an installer bug... you could try a more recent installer, and if it's still a problem file a bug |
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| 13:42.23 | Younix | what's a program to read .pdf files |
| 13:42.29 | chops | libervisco: You can boot from a rescue or live CD, try to finish the installation of console-common, set xdm/kdm/gdm/whatever not to start to rule out X as a possibility, maybe add big pauses between scripts in /etc/rc2.d so you can track down exactly what steps are going wrong... |
| 13:42.37 | chops | Younix: apt-cache search pdf (xpdf is a common one) |
| 13:42.42 | Younix | im a girl |
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| 13:42.49 | XTZGZoReX | Does anybody know if I can run an application through WINE without opening an X-window, so I can execute it via SSH? |
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| 13:43.01 | maveriick_ | chops: this problem exists for other users also ....I found some posts by Googling... |
| 13:43.10 | libervisco | chops: ok, I'm already on livecd.. gonna try some of that.. |
| 13:43.33 | maveriick_ | chops: Can I use a recent isntaller along with my previous etch dvd iso? |
| 13:44.11 | chops | maveriick_: IIRC you can... even if not, you can still do a networked etch install from a lenny install CD |
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| 13:45.58 | maveriick_ | chops: Is it possible to point the installer to read the iso from a mounted hard drive partition? |
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| 13:46.20 | chops | maveriick_: I doubt it, though it's possible |
| 13:47.12 | TwinX | Younix; acroread or evince or xpdf, whatever you like. |
| 13:47.20 | maveriick_ | chops: do you know how? I got no solution Googling |
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| 13:47.37 | idimmu | i dont think it is possible |
| 13:47.41 | blubberdiblub | maveriick_, if the installer kernel includes loopback device support, this should be possible |
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| 13:48.24 | fireba11 | how can i check if my kernel would support more than 4 GB ram (e.g. 8 GB) ? i only see 4 GB on two boxes |
| 13:48.28 | chops | maveriick_: I'm not going to google for an answer on your behalf and then get back to you, sorry. I already told you what I know. |
| 13:48.33 | ttz | Hih there. I have a problem with udev: I can successfully mount my USB thumbdrive on attach, but the remove rule doesn't seem to be matched. Any idea about the problem? |
| 13:48.43 | chops | maveriick_: Like I said, it's not a problem to do an etch install from the internet using a lenny installer. |
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| 13:49.49 | maveriick_ | chops: But i am frsutrated the way debian installers interacts with the new hardwares ...a complete mess! |
| 13:50.05 | lastnode | fireba11: does your mobo support more than 4gb? |
| 13:50.42 | fireba11 | lastnode : i got 8 GB in the box .. so yes :-D |
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| 13:51.05 | chops | maveriick_: Yes, software has bugs. Even Debian on occasion :-). I'm sorry you're frustrated, but filing a bug is the way to get it fixed. |
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| 13:51.30 | chops | maveriick_: You should test in a newer version of the installer, and if it still doesn't work, you should file a bug. That's my advice. |
| 13:51.37 | lastnode | fireba11: what kernel are you running, on which processor? |
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| 13:52.08 | fireba11 | athlon64x2, kernel is 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 13:52.43 | lastnode | fireba11: i really dunno why it's not picking up the 8gig then |
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| 13:55.36 | dfgf | how can i disable automatic loading of services upon install? |
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| 13:56.33 | igli | yer i can't see stuff live avahi and exim-listener in the gui |
| 13:56.39 | abrotman | dfgf: man update-rc.d |
| 13:56.40 | igli | like* |
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| 13:56.47 | igli | ah cool |
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| 13:57.26 | chops | dfgf: In general the way to disable services in Debian is not to install them (though of course there are obvious exceptions) |
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| 13:58.08 | TwinX | I'm using sysv-rc-conf to manage the serivices, just a suggestion :) |
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| 13:59.20 | igli | wow the tulip driver is from 2002 no wonder the network card isn't working |
| 13:59.36 | igli | (i assume) |
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| 14:00.54 | dfgf | chops, but for example i install apache2 and it installs exim also |
| 14:00.54 | dfgf | i dont want exim |
| 14:00.57 | deufrai | [n00b] : I do I find the package needed to use a prticular program ? |
| 14:01.21 | Younix | im a woman |
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| 14:01.33 | chops | dfgf: You should have some MTA installed (even if it's ssmtp or something); you don't need exim installed specifically for apache2 |
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| 14:01.50 | cusco | im a man, Younix |
| 14:02.05 | chops | Younix: Before you said you were a girl... which is it? :-) |
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| 14:02.27 | dfgf | chops, now how do i remove it from autostarting? |
| 14:02.42 | Joelito | Hi all; What tool allows me to generate chm files? |
| 14:03.00 | chops | dfgf: But it's a good idea to have a working MTA installed with things like apache... having exim installed but not running will just defeat apache's ability to send email (and you should have a working MTA anyway) |
| 14:03.22 | chops | dfgf: If you insist on installing and disabling exim as a solution, then use update-rc.d as recommended above |
| 14:03.26 | SlayerXP | Joelito: that would seem to be a question google could answer |
| 14:03.27 | dfgf | chops, hm makes sense but why exim and not postfix |
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| 14:03.36 | chops | dfgf: postfix will work too |
| 14:03.45 | chops | dfgf: Debian defaults to exim for some reason. I like postfix better. |
| 14:03.50 | Joelito | SlayerXP: Google returns How to read, not how to create |
| 14:04.48 | dfgf | chops, what do i need to do in order to tell apache to use postfix instead? |
| 14:05.18 | SlayerXP | Joelito: "WinCHM - A easy-to-use CHM file creator that help you create chm files. " |
| 14:05.30 | chops | dfgf: apache will use the system's MTA, of which there may be only one at a time. Install postfix and exim will be uninstalled. |
| 14:05.32 | SlayerXP | Joelito: perhaps you didn't give google enough information |
| 14:05.48 | chops | dfgf: (Also, BTW, I think update-rc.d actually doesn't work for exim -- I think it runs from inetd) |
| 14:06.10 | dfgf | chops, in case it runs from inetd how do i remove it? |
| 14:06.36 | chops | dfgf: What are you planning to do? Are you going to install postfix, or are you going to leave exim installed but disable it? |
| 14:06.54 | dfgf | chops, how does apache determine which is the system's mta if i have both installed? |
| 14:07.03 | Younix | what the heck does bzip2 -dc do |
| 14:07.06 | chops | (10:05:24 AM) chops: dfgf: apache will use the system's MTA, of which there may be only one at a time. Install postfix and exim will be uninstalled. |
| 14:07.47 | cast | how does one force a regen of /etc/motd? |
| 14:07.56 | Younix | im trying to uncompress a bz2 file |
| 14:08.07 | gregory | Younix: decompress to standard output - see man bzip2 |
| 14:08.13 | themill | Younix: man bzip2 |
| 14:08.14 | Younix | lol |
| 14:08.19 | Younix | themill: duh? |
| 14:08.41 | cast | bzcat file.bz2 |
| 14:08.53 | dfgf | chops, i want to install postfix |
| 14:09.07 | cast | i mean, motd! hmm, *thinks* |
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| 14:09.22 | igli | how do i replace exim with ssmtp? i get conflict for ssmtp (with mta) and trying to remove exim wants to remove at and mutt (synaptic) |
| 14:09.22 | chops | dfgf: Okay, so install postfix and don't worry about exim or inetd, since it'll be uninstalled when you install postfix. |
| 14:09.47 | chops | igli: Just install ssmtp and let aptitude uninstall exim? Does that not work? |
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| 14:09.55 | dfgf | chops, thanks. |
| 14:10.02 | chops | dfgf: np |
| 14:10.17 | igli | chops: not from synaptic ui, says going to delete exim then gives me conflict message |
| 14:10.39 | chops | igli: Can you pastebin (pasteBIN, not paste) the conflict message it gives you? |
| 14:10.43 | Younix | uhh |
| 14:10.48 | Younix | the "base system" doesn't come with make? |
| 14:10.50 | Younix | cd 1? |
| 14:10.52 | themill | Younix: it is quite clearly written in the man page for bzip2. Do you know how to search through a man page? |
| 14:11.00 | themill | !b-e Younix |
| 14:11.00 | dpkg | Younix: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 14:11.07 | Younix | themill: don't be condescending |
| 14:11.13 | Younix | okay |
| 14:11.21 | igli | chops: i have no network but can type it in, it's one line in ui. should i be doing this at cli? |
| 14:11.53 | beardy | The base system is not defined by waht is on "the first cd", but by what is installed as a minimum. make is on the first cd though of course. |
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| 14:12.13 | themill | Younix: I'm not -- since you had failed to find it in the man page (I'm giving you the credit for having tried to read it) I'm assuming that you don't know how to search through them and offering to tell you. People do come in here and not know that and since you asked something that was blatantly in the man page, I figure you don't know search through it. |
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| 14:13.07 | igli | To be removed: exim4 (hit mark) then get ssmtp: Conflicts: mail-transport-agent |
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| 14:14.05 | igli | i noticed there're quite a few exim pkgs, but i can't mark them for removal with repl by ssmtp in one step |
| 14:14.07 | Younix | themill: yea i know how to search through it. forward slash eh? sorry for assuming. also, uhh..i was lazy and when i saw bzip2 -dc and decompress in the same line, i tried it..but then i got my buffer filled with a bunch of garble like the output from the files |
| 14:14.23 | Younix | then instead of going back and reading the man page, i asked here |
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| 14:15.38 | Younix | beardy: well, uhh..i installed the first cd using goodbye-windows and when asked which software to install, i unchecked "desktop environment" and only left "standard system" checked |
| 14:15.48 | Younix | and, uhh.. "make" didn't work until i got build-essential |
| 14:16.43 | themill | Younix: that's right, the standard system doesn't include make or gcc etc because we have so many "my base system is smaller than yours" weenies complaining that the base install was so bloated because it contained useful things like make. :( |
| 14:16.55 | igli | ahh much better with aptitude, thanks chops. |
| 14:17.13 | themill | Younix: to be fair, most systems don't need make or gcc, so it probably makes sense to leave them out |
| 14:17.22 | cast | yay for no make/dcc in base! |
| 14:17.29 | Younix | D: |
| 14:17.33 | beardy | themill: It is bloated in many cases with make. It's a good thing to keep it down. |
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| 14:18.00 | themill | !bloatsmite beardy |
| 14:18.00 | dpkg | removes beardy from the channel as they are obviously superfluous and no-one would even use them. (Just remember that one person's bloat is another person's useful feature.) |
| 14:18.03 | beardy | As you said I saw, good. |
| 14:18.14 | beardy | Yes, remember that! |
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| 14:18.53 | chops | igli: Hm... I can't quite make sense of what you said about synaptic. It sounds right to me (ssmtp conflicts with mail-transport-agent and so exim must be removed), but I don't know synaptic. Anyway, nice that it works with aptitude. |
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| 14:19.12 | igli | heh yeah :) |
| 14:19.15 | beardy | That is why we say, use aptitude. |
| 14:19.32 | igli | aptitude suggested better plan |
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| 14:19.44 | beardy | See above. |
| 14:19.48 | igli | i'm happy with cli np |
| 14:19.50 | Younix | hah |
| 14:19.55 | Younix | i don't guess you can apt-get gtk-gnutella |
| 14:19.57 | Younix | D: |
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| 14:20.41 | themill | !info gtk-gnutella |
| 14:20.44 | dpkg | gtk-gnutella: (shares files in a peer to peer network), section net, is optional. Version: 0.96.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 6355 kB, Installed size: 14028 kB |
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| 14:20.51 | Younix | what! |
| 14:20.58 | abrotman | it's not in etch |
| 14:21.01 | themill | Younix: lenny and sid only |
| 14:21.04 | Younix | D: |
| 14:21.04 | Younix | why |
| 14:21.09 | themill | !tell Younix about ssb |
| 14:21.13 | abrotman | because the gnutella people whine a lot |
| 14:21.20 | Azrael_- | hi |
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| 14:22.10 | themill | Younix: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtk-gnutella/news/20061121T233913Z.html |
| 14:22.27 | Azrael_- | just installed debian but if i undo some actions in vim with "u" my putty-terminal gets screwed up. where is the setting i have to change? |
| 14:22.47 | chops | Azrael_-: $TERM |
| 14:22.50 | beardy | Azrael_-: Probably nowhere. Ctrl-l to redraw screen. |
| 14:23.04 | Younix | themill: i don't understand |
| 14:23.12 | Azrael_- | beardy: on any other system it works like a charm |
| 14:23.14 | chops | Azrael_-: FWIW I use TERM=xterm in putty and it seems to work fine for me |
| 14:23.34 | themill | Younix: It was in etch just before etch went from "testing" to "stable" but was removed from etch due to serious bugs. |
| 14:23.46 | Younix | heh |
| 14:23.55 | Azrael_- | chops: it is already set to xterm |
| 14:23.57 | Younix | i used it and i didn't experience any problems |
| 14:24.07 | chops | Azrael_-: Huh |
| 14:24.09 | Younix | only client that i could find that was lightweight and easy |
| 14:24.21 | hmmhesays | anyone know what the termcap package is in debian? |
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| 14:24.41 | Matrikz | anyone home? |
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| 14:25.32 | hmmhesays | nada |
| 14:25.43 | themill | !tell hmmhesays about termcap |
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| 14:26.23 | itguru | I have an internal email server which has been setup, but it seems that mail delivered from this system gets classed as SPAM with google. I have a static IP, if I add this IP to our DNS, will this then prevent our mail being classed as spam? |
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| 14:26.49 | hmmhesays | got it thanks |
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| 14:27.32 | boingolov | itguru, might want to look at spf records |
| 14:27.35 | ttz | Any udev wizard around here? |
| 14:27.41 | chops | !tell ttz about anyone |
| 14:27.43 | boingolov | and / or domainkeys |
| 14:27.47 | soul9 | anyone know of a repo with liberation-ttf for etch? |
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| 14:28.30 | boingolov | google uses domainkeys and spf I think. I know for sure they use the former |
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| 14:29.26 | themill | itguru: if you can save the entire email to a file and then run spamassassin on it, you might get some feedback as to what sort of things are flagging it up as spam. |
| 14:30.01 | soul9 | !liberation |
| 14:30.19 | soul9 | !about liberation |
| 14:30.24 | soul9 | mh |
| 14:30.28 | boingolov | has anyone had an issue with lenny not spawning getty's after doing the upgrade? |
| 14:30.37 | boingolov | I can't log in to the console of my debian box now, upgraded last night |
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| 14:31.09 | jel | boingolov: try booting in single mode |
| 14:31.09 | itguru | themill: I believe it's because I don't have the sending server in our MX records, even though I relayed it through our current email providers servers |
| 14:31.31 | petemc | sending server in mx records? what does that mean |
| 14:31.33 | boingolov | jel , why? |
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| 14:31.44 | jel | boingolov: or boot a live cd and login from there |
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| 14:31.51 | boingolov | http://pastebin.ca/984710 |
| 14:31.57 | ttz | I'm struggling a lot to create a udev rule that automatically umount my USB device when I unplug it, although the other way around (mounting on plug) works like a charm |
| 14:32.09 | boingolov | itguru, mx records have nothing to do with it, unless you want the server at home to handle incoming mail |
| 14:32.10 | jel | petemc: hey pete :) |
| 14:32.18 | boingolov | itguru, google for spf and domainkeys |
| 14:32.19 | soul9 | ttz: that's impossible |
| 14:32.20 | petemc | yo jel |
| 14:32.22 | themill | itguru: that shouldn't be a problem. The outgoing mta doesn't need to be listed in the MX records for the domain. I doubt google would have such a broken test (which they would fail themselves). |
| 14:32.33 | soul9 | how can you unmount it after it's disconnected? |
| 14:32.33 | boingolov | jel , I can ssh in |
| 14:32.41 | petemc | jel: you get a message to blug from me today? |
| 14:32.42 | boingolov | in fact, I'm ssh'ed in (the machine is at home) |
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| 14:32.43 | jel | boingolov: oh, OK :) |
| 14:32.57 | jel | boingolov: check the logs? install a different getty? |
| 14:33.03 | boingolov | I've checked the logs |
| 14:33.07 | boingolov | they're eerily silent on the matter |
| 14:33.11 | jel | petemc: dunno, let me check. |
| 14:33.22 | boingolov | that pastebin is the inittab |
| 14:33.31 | boingolov | was hoping someone could compare it with theirs to make sure there isn't something I'm missing |
| 14:33.58 | ttz | soul9: actually, it is possible to do it manually: I mean, if I unplug the USB thumbdrive before umounting it, I can still umount it afterward. |
| 14:34.08 | itguru | themill: That was my understanding - I'm a bit at a loss at the moment |
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| 14:34.41 | petemc | itguru: sounds like you mean spf |
| 14:35.10 | _ZeuZ_ | I need a PC from my inner network, to be able to use all services from the outside, I only have one public IP, and this would apply for users that are using P2P services, how can I do it? |
| 14:35.12 | soul9 | ttz: what's the point? |
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| 14:35.35 | itguru | was hoping that SPF wasn't the solution :( |
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| 14:35.52 | itguru | What about servers that don't support SPF? I mean receiving servers? |
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| 14:35.58 | boingolov | itguru, spf is easy to implement. it's domainkeys that's the pita |
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| 14:36.02 | ttz | soul9: I have an USB key that I mostly use as read-only, so I can unplug it without notifying the kernel and I'd like udevd(8) to umount the directory when it happens. |
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| 14:36.11 | themill | boingolov: spf is impossible to implement in many situations. |
| 14:36.20 | zyx386 | hi, i install lenny on hp laptop hp G5000 and become this error http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4913/fehlervr9.jpg |
| 14:36.24 | boingolov | themill, depends on who has control of the dns server |
| 14:36.25 | petemc | itguru: then your spf records will be ignored. i dont use spf and i have no problems with gmail/hotmail etc |
| 14:36.36 | boingolov | it's as easy as adding a txt record |
| 14:36.40 | jel | themill: what situations? |
| 14:36.42 | zyx386 | and the graphic screen is't ok |
| 14:36.48 | themill | jel, boingolov: it also depends on how your mail is handled. SPF and .forward are mutually incompatible |
| 14:36.54 | jel | petemc: 56k modems? Yep |
| 14:37.02 | petemc | jel: thanks |
| 14:37.04 | n3kl | Anyone know of a way to convert latex/dvi files to word documents? |
| 14:37.05 | UnixD | I'm going to package some third party nagios plugins - should the packages be called nagios-plugins-sample-name or nagios-sample-name-plugin? |
| 14:37.06 | boingolov | themill, no. you can set spf to handle forwards |
| 14:37.12 | boingolov | bit more work that way, but definitely doable |
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| 14:37.20 | themill | boingolov: please do tell. Oh, with postfix btw. |
| 14:37.35 | jel | petemc: I had a USR, but I donated it to work a while back. |
| 14:37.36 | zyx386 | ?? |
| 14:37.37 | boingolov | themill, lots of info on google |
| 14:37.45 | themill | boingolov: and in a sufficiently robust way that a random user can't break things when they edit *their* .forward |
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| 14:37.49 | boingolov | for one, you don't have to do an -all |
| 14:37.57 | Mariandroid | Hello =) |
| 14:37.59 | itguru | Basically, I have an internal exchange server (i know, I didn't want it, but I had no choice!), and it's mail gets sent to spam on google. |
| 14:38.07 | themill | boingolov: no info on google. It... postfix doesn't support spf well if at all. |
| 14:38.09 | petemc | jel: ah well, cheers anyways - i didnt get a copy of the mail, was curious if it was delivered |
| 14:38.10 | Mariandroid | Where can I find out more about that Debian ARM ? thing ? |
| 14:38.21 | zyx386 | and what is about my prblem? |
| 14:38.24 | zyx386 | :) |
| 14:39.04 | boingolov | themill, from a server side you mean? |
| 14:39.20 | boingolov | themill , postfix is an mta |
| 14:39.25 | boingolov | use spf at the dns level |
| 14:39.25 | themill | boingolov: no shit |
| 14:39.27 | jel | Mariandroid: the ARM port of debian? It'll be on the debian.org site. |
| 14:39.52 | Mariandroid | and if I run into problems, is there an IRC channel I can go to? |
| 14:40.02 | Mariandroid | Thanks Jel |
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| 14:41.00 | themill | boingolov: I'm obviously not explaining the situation well as you clearly aren't seeing where I'm coming from. If a user has a .forward file, then *my* spf records in dns are irrelevant. It is the originating domain's SPF record and the final recipient's MTA's SPF enforcement policy that matter. |
| 14:41.20 | petemc | according to the spf FAQ, forwarding will only work with whitelisting on the receiving host |
| 14:41.30 | petemc | which isnt working at all, in my opinion |
| 14:41.53 | themill | petemc: aiui, if you do sufficient (-ly evil) envelope rewriting then it can be made to work. |
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| 14:42.36 | boingolov | themill, I thougth you were talking about the case where user@foo.com forwards to user@bar.com , but is sent initially from some mta that is approved via spf in bar.com's spf record . in that case, the spf doesn't screw anything up |
| 14:42.38 | petemc | themill: right , thats covered in the FAQ too |
| 14:42.41 | boingolov | doesn't help anythign either |
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| 14:43.09 | zyx386 | hi debian team, i have installation problem |
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| 14:44.04 | zyx386 | with lenny |
| 14:44.07 | zyx386 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:44.47 | boingolov | err, foo.com's spf record |
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| 14:45.30 | sdousley|work | Hi, can anyone tell me what package the arial.ttf truetype font file comes from pleaes? |
| 14:46.25 | themill | boingolov: You see the predicament now... if I provide a .forward service and someone sends an email from (say) hotmail and the user has a .forward to (say) hotmail, then hotmail is going to look at its own SPF record and ask my MTA in the most polite way possible WTF it is sending email claiming to be from hotmail :( |
| 14:46.28 | n3kl | sdousley|work: xfonts=base |
| 14:46.43 | n3kl | s/=/- |
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| 14:46.45 | petemc | just dont use spf, problem solved |
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| 14:46.58 | themill | !tell sdousley|workabout msttcorefonts |
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| 14:47.23 | boingolov | themill, in that case, yeah, the spf isn't going to help you any, but it certainly wont' break anything |
| 14:47.53 | themill | petemc: except that *my* view on SPD is irrelevant to the problem, it is inflicted upon me by the third party's policies. |
| 14:47.59 | themill | SPF* |
| 14:48.04 | petemc | themill: which third party? |
| 14:48.08 | themill | boingolov: oh yes it will |
| 14:48.13 | themill | petemc: in my example, hotmail's |
| 14:48.19 | sdousley|work | n3kl: thanks, i have installed that, but still cannot find arial.ttf anywhere =/ |
| 14:48.20 | boingolov | themill, well, you can set a very lax spf policy |
| 14:48.32 | chops | Is there any way to diff two files, ignoring the first N characters of each line in both files? |
| 14:48.39 | n3kl | sdousley|work: I think dpkg told you where it *actually* comes from. |
| 14:48.42 | petemc | themill: like i said, i deliver to hotmail just fine without spf, from multiple sites |
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| 14:49.05 | keith4 | chops: use cut + diff ? |
| 14:49.17 | boingolov | petemc, my problem is with yahoo actually, which seems to ignore spf altogether |
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| 14:49.22 | themill | petemc: so do I at the moment. But that's only because they are not currently enforcing SPF validity. They can choose to one day and then I'm stuffed. |
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| 14:49.31 | chops | keith4: I'll give it a shot |
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| 14:49.45 | chops | keith4: For some reason I remembered a diff argument that does that sort of thing, but I don't find it now... |
| 14:49.45 | boingolov | they champion domainkeys, which makes sense considering they sort of came up with the whole thing |
| 14:49.52 | themill | boingolov: doesn't help. In the example, it's hotmail's SPF record that counts and hotmail's SPF enforcement policy that counts. My config (SPF record and enforcement policy) are irrelevant. |
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| 14:50.27 | boingolov | so you're saying specifically in the case where email originates from a hotmail account, hits an address that is in turn forwarded to another hotmail account? |
| 14:51.00 | themill | boingolov: it could also be hotmail -> gmail. It's a generic problem of any external to any external forwarding. |
| 14:51.05 | jstephenson | Hmmm. What are we thinking in terms of database server and low memory usage? mySQL is pretty beafy ... although not so bad with InnoDB disabled. |
| 14:52.47 | deufrai | cut --help |
| 14:53.04 | deufrai | ^ my bad, sorry |
| 14:53.20 | themill | petemc: and I am seeing that hotmail is starting to increase their level of enforcement for these things. I'm not sure using what methods, but I'm am starting to see the following in my logs: 250 mail from IP xx.yy.zz.xx soft failed sender ID check. Please ensure this IP is authorized to send mail on behalf of [hotmail.com] |
| 14:53.20 | themill | petemc: ^^ that's from a hotmail -> .forward -> hotmail situation. |
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| 14:54.27 | themill | petemc: for as long as that's a softfail I'm OK.... :) |
| 14:54.41 | petemc | 250? |
| 14:54.47 | petemc | i thought 2xx was go ahead |
| 14:54.54 | zyx386 | can everyone help me :( |
| 14:55.00 | themill | petemc: it is -- it's only a softfail |
| 14:55.04 | petemc | oh right |
| 14:55.17 | awox | will any of the recent debian installers install to a USB HDD? |
| 14:55.50 | themill | petemc: I can just see them changing that to "5xx sod off" at some stage in the future. |
| 14:55.56 | petemc | yz |
| 14:56.10 | awox | I ask because I have a machine with only 1 IDE bus, which supports only one device. So I was hoping I could install from CDROM to USB HDD, then before rebooting alter the fstab to use hda instead of sda and take HDD out of USB HDD and plug it into IDE.. |
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| 14:56.56 | atari | hi |
| 14:57.25 | Mariandroid | she talks... |
| 14:57.35 | Mariandroid | oops |
| 14:57.52 | boingolov | themill, if user@foo.com is forwarded to user@hotmail.com , foo.com's spf record shouldn't even be consulted in that case I wouldn't think. It's a generic problem that is neither helped nor hurt by spf records |
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| 14:58.05 | Eulex | awox, I'd suggest updating your grub configuration too ;) |
| 14:58.17 | akio | zyx386: restate your problem with details |
| 14:58.33 | zyx386 | akio |
| 14:58.35 | wald0 | when i remove my .ssh/known_hosts because there's something wrong, i need to answer everytime "yes" when i try to connect to every machine that i connect normally, this broke some auto-ssh scripts that i have, is there any ways to ssh doesn't ask me that ? |
| 14:58.39 | Eulex | zyx386, you want 870 people to help you? at once? :) |
| 14:59.24 | themill | boingolov: no -- foo.com's spf record is the only one that is consulted as that will be the envelope address, unless you do some envelope rewriting using some sort of srs utility. |
| 14:59.28 | hoxu | Slashdot | Study Reports on Debian Governance, Social Organization [ http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/14/1349202 ] |
| 14:59.34 | akio | wald0: you need to generate those key pairs again |
| 14:59.36 | keith4 | before I waste time looking for a way to do it, is it possible to boot a diskless debian system off of another debian system? |
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| 15:00.00 | wald0 | akio: i want just to ssh doesn't ask me if yes or no... because this broke some scripts that i have |
| 15:00.14 | Baloo | Guh, I wish Slashdot would quit logging me out |
| 15:00.17 | zyx386 | akio, have a laptop hp G5000 and will install lenny, but i become with start the error http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4913/fehlervr9.jpg. and the graphic on my desktop is't ok |
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| 15:02.07 | Baloo | I think it's retarded someone brought up "Ubuntu is built on debian" in that Debian governance thread... STFU about Ubuntu already, it's a needless distraction from debian-desktop |
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| 15:02.34 | chops | Baloo: Well, bringing up how retarded you think it is here will _certainly_ reduce the noise :-) |
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| 15:03.37 | Baloo | chops: Well, there's some here that could learn that statement's lesson just playing the law of averages. 90+% of Ubuntu developers are DDs wasting their time on that when they could be helping debian-desktop instead. |
| 15:03.38 | akio | wald0: google is your friend on that one, just search for "ssh setup" and public/private keys is where you should pay attention |
| 15:03.40 | boingolov | themill , my understanding is that the original sending address domain should be consulted for spf records and not the domain that is doing the forwarding |
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| 15:04.01 | akio | zyx386: what debian are you using? |
| 15:04.10 | zyx386 | lenny |
| 15:04.39 | zyx386 | with etch have this problem to and the graphic screen to |
| 15:04.46 | akio | have you tried upgrading your kernel? |
| 15:04.59 | akio | to sid |
| 15:05.05 | zyx386 | ?? |
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| 15:05.18 | akio | can you get to the login? |
| 15:05.19 | zyx386 | i use the kernel with lenny |
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| 15:05.24 | boingolov | hrm, looks like it depends on the config |
| 15:05.25 | zyx386 | yes |
| 15:05.46 | akio | try upgrading your kernel |
| 15:06.15 | zyx386 | i have the newst kernel |
| 15:06.21 | boingolov | http://www.openspf.org/FAQ/Forwarding |
| 15:06.37 | zyx386 | 2.6.24.4 |
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| 15:07.16 | bye | hi |
| 15:07.29 | keith4 | bye: ironic? |
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| 15:07.46 | akio | do an lspci -vvv |
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| 15:08.10 | akio | and match the number of the pci device to the numbers from the log |
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| 15:08.42 | zyx386 | akio? |
| 15:08.59 | themill | boingolov: your understanding is correct. That's why spf is a problem for the person doing the forwarding. When you forward email like that, you have to do rewriting (like that FAQ says -- thanks for the link) or risk getting bounced by the next MTA along the chain for having mail that has incorrect SPF credentials. |
| 15:09.15 | zyx386 | without the pci error have screen color and quality problem |
| 15:09.39 | boingolov | so even though the receiver _should_ take into account forwarding has occured, I guess some (many) don't |
| 15:10.30 | themill | boingolov: The approach listed in that FAQ is naive in the extreme though -- how would a big gorilla like hotmail know that a little .org server like mine has forwarded the mail? Every mta that wants to do spf in the entire world would need to whitelist my server. |
| 15:10.53 | akio | after you log in, from a console type "lspci" then type lspci -vvv |
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| 15:11.09 | Shadur | And that's where the system breaks down. |
| 15:11.11 | boingolov | themill , should that not be obvious from the headers? |
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| 15:11.21 | _ZeuZ_ | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -s 172.16.0.73/24 /// That's as far as I've reached on the SNAT, that host (172.16.0.73) is the one I want to have full access to outside servers, how can I complete the rule? |
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| 15:11.37 | themill | boingolov: except that the check is usually done at envelope stage not at DATA stage. |
| 15:11.56 | themill | boingolov: So the only solution to spf stuff for me is to somehow implement envelope rewriting. For all 200-odd email addresses that are forwarded. :( |
| 15:12.04 | Martiini | is iceweasel less capable than firefox in any way? Will I have any compatibility issues if I use iceweasel? |
| 15:12.18 | boingolov | themill, your situation is more extreme than mine |
| 15:12.20 | _ZeuZ_ | Martiini: No, it's the same, icon changed xD |
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| 15:12.30 | boingolov | much less in the way of email addresses |
| 15:12.41 | Martiini | _ZeuZ_: does iceweasel = firefox for a user like me |
| 15:12.47 | boingolov | and only one of them forwarding to hotmail |
| 15:12.48 | lastnode | Martiini: no. |
| 15:12.54 | boingolov | the one I'm having fits with is yahoo |
| 15:12.54 | lastnode | Martiini: it is the same |
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| 15:13.07 | Martiini | is it EXACTLY the same ?! |
| 15:13.16 | lastnode | Martiini: debian doesnt ship the ff icons because they arent free |
| 15:13.18 | _ZeuZ_ | It's pretty much the same, it plains to be a FORK, but has no changes appart from the logo |
| 15:13.19 | themill | !tell Martiini about iceweasel user-agent |
| 15:13.22 | lastnode | and also there have been some patches to the XUL i think |
| 15:13.27 | lastnode | though im not sure |
| 15:13.27 | stew | Martiini: the only functional change i know of is that iceweasel has support for pango fonts |
| 15:13.46 | akio | !tell akio about iceweasel user-agent |
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| 15:14.09 | themill | boingolov: It's also a problem for anyone doing mail forwarding off their shared host or similar situations like that. Because you can guarantee that your $5/month shared host hasn't implemented envelope rewriting for you... |
| 15:14.12 | J_ | j |
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| 15:15.41 | Martiini | ok, Thanks for now ... |
| 15:16.04 | lastnode | Martiini: incidentally, there is one change |
| 15:16.15 | abrotman | there's a whole changelog that goes with iceweasel |
| 15:16.20 | lastnode | only iceweasel users get to see the 'special weasel' |
| 15:16.28 | lastnode | so apt-get it already! |
| 15:17.04 | _ZeuZ_ | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j SNAT -s 172.16.0.73/24 /// That's as far as I've reached on the SNAT, that host (172.16.0.73) is the one I want to have full access to outside servers, how can I complete the rule? |
| 15:17.11 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 15:17.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 15:17.31 | themill | lastnode: you really are obsessed with that humping weasel thing, aren't you? |
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| 15:17.46 | lastnode | :o |
| 15:17.46 | _ZeuZ_ | Allready been trying to do it myself abrotman, but I've got lost so that's why I ask for help |
| 15:17.55 | lastnode | it's cool, it's showing teh intarweb who is boss |
| 15:18.01 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: i was implying you should ask #iptables |
| 15:18.17 | _ZeuZ_ | I allready asked there, that channel has less life than Britney Spears |
| 15:18.33 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: be patient .. it's a much better place to ask |
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| 15:19.15 | abrotman | and the websites mentioned are helpful too |
| 15:19.31 | stew | _ZeuZ_: for SNAT, afaik you need to aslo add a --to to say what ip address you are snatting to. |
| 15:20.54 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 15:21.16 | Younix | what can i use to read .doc file |
| 15:21.16 | Younix | s |
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| 15:21.46 | grisu | younix, openoffice |
| 15:21.50 | craig | Younix: , openoffice, abiword, koffice will all read .doc |
| 15:21.53 | Z4ndX | Hello every bode .. i need a little help |
| 15:21.59 | themill | Younix: rm is my preferred tool... but things like catdoc are ok. Also openoffice, abiword, koffice. |
| 15:22.17 | themill | Younix: M$'s free wordviewer (the '97 one at least) also installs under wine ok. |
| 15:22.18 | _ZeuZ_ | that's the IP I want to nat, my public IP is 201.234.32.XXX so how could I fix that? |
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| 15:22.20 | grisu | themill: you're right |
| 15:22.23 | Z4ndX | How do i mv every file in a directory except one |
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| 15:22.33 | Z4ndX | ? |
| 15:22.34 | Younix | o meed sp,etjomg tjat |
| 15:22.35 | Younix | s easu |
| 15:22.40 | Younix | ...sorry |
| 15:22.58 | Z4ndX | Any one ? |
| 15:23.27 | Younix | themill: do you realize how much memory openoffice eats? |
| 15:23.29 | Younix | i have 64MB of ram |
| 15:23.44 | grisu | z4ndx: use an expression matching all but that (or the inverse) |
| 15:23.46 | themill | Younix: yes. Openoffice is a bad choice for you then... |
| 15:23.50 | craig | Younix: i would use abiword then |
| 15:23.52 | stew | Younix: abiword is much lighter wieght, but doesn't deal with more complex stuff like tables and embeded objects well |
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| 15:24.12 | n3kl | Z4ndX: for x in `ls -1 | grep -v file`; mv $x bla/;done |
| 15:24.14 | Z4ndX | grisu: Okay thanks.. |
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| 15:24.46 | n3kl | that would break on spaces, btw |
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| 15:24.54 | ^Nikiforos^ | hi |
| 15:25.10 | ^Nikiforos^ | does anyone knows why my pc stacks on boot |
| 15:25.26 | ^Nikiforos^ | it says waiting for /dev to be fully populated... |
| 15:25.42 | soul9 | stacks? |
| 15:25.51 | keith4 | _ZeuZ_: firehol will fix iptables for you |
| 15:25.55 | ^Nikiforos^ | it remains with this on screen |
| 15:26.06 | ^Nikiforos^ | and just it |
| 15:26.07 | _ZeuZ_ | dkpging on it ^^ |
| 15:26.10 | themill | Z4ndX: enable extglob in bash and then rm !(filename_to_keep) |
| 15:26.21 | soul9 | with etch? |
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| 15:26.29 | evildarknight | ^Nikiforos^ damnsmalllinux does this |
| 15:26.32 | ^Nikiforos^ | i have debian lenny |
| 15:26.42 | Z4ndX | :) okay |
| 15:26.54 | craig | Younix: you could also try using antiword - Converts MS Word files to text and ps, if you just want to read a doc |
| 15:26.56 | n3kl | ^Nikiforos^: press enter less |
| 15:26.57 | ^Nikiforos^ | i try today for beggining setup and again doing the same thing!!!! |
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| 15:27.05 | _ZeuZ_ | keith4: is it firehol or firehole? |
| 15:27.08 | ^Nikiforos^ | nothing happens |
| 15:27.39 | ^Nikiforos^ | i believe that it is hardware problem but i don't know what |
| 15:27.46 | keith4 | _ZeuZ_: firehol, as I said |
| 15:27.55 | craig | _ZeuZ_: firehol - An easy to use but powerful iptables stateful firewall |
| 15:28.33 | ^Nikiforos^ | :((( |
| 15:29.00 | _ZeuZ_ | yup, installed it, gonna check how it works though... any word of advice for this? |
| 15:29.16 | ^Nikiforos^ | i must throw the pc out of the window i think |
| 15:29.17 | ^Nikiforos^ | :P\ |
| 15:30.03 | craig | ^Nikiforos^: `try a livecd like sidux or knoppix if they boot ok, something is wrong with your install if not it may be hardware |
| 15:30.57 | keith4 | _ZeuZ_: http://firehol.sourceforge.net/tutorial.html |
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| 15:31.08 | ^Nikiforos^ | ubuntu live cd and other one do the same thing on hardware detection part |
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| 15:31.25 | ^Nikiforos^ | other live cd's run ok |
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| 15:31.54 | itguru | is it a bad idea to force an install of a package from testing, onto an etch install?? |
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| 15:32.09 | keith4 | itguru: yes, unless you really know what you're doing |
| 15:33.33 | hikenboot | greetings all...is there a small micro sized implementation of ruby available |
| 15:33.40 | Younix | i can't read shit |
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| 15:34.31 | n3kl | They make glasses for that, ya know |
| 15:34.33 | stew | itguru: yes, you should use a backport instead: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 15:35.43 | Younix | n3kl: well |
| 15:35.45 | _ZeuZ_ | keith4: That would make useless all my current script, and will drop much of the things I need... is there a way to tell firehole only to generate rules to nat the hosts and drop the iptable rules to a file? |
| 15:35.48 | Younix | i can't read .doc files ..fsfsf |
| 15:35.54 | ^Nikiforos^ | bye |
| 15:36.00 | enouf | antiword |
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| 15:36.04 | Younix | no |
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| 15:36.07 | enouf | no |
| 15:36.09 | n3kl | Younix: ah, files, not words, gotcha |
| 15:36.19 | Younix | n3kl: ya! :D |
| 15:36.26 | enouf | no |
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| 15:36.30 | Younix | enouf: antiwordantiwordantiword? |
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| 15:36.38 | enouf | nope |
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| 15:36.50 | Younix | what then, sister |
| 15:36.52 | keith4 | _ZeuZ_: the first line on that page tells you how to generate a conf from your existing iptables settings |
| 15:36.55 | n3kl | Anyone know how to convert tex/pdf/dvi to doc? |
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| 15:36.59 | enouf | you go girl |
| 15:37.02 | keith4 | _ZeuZ_: and then you want to look for "masquerade" on that page |
| 15:37.07 | craig | Younix: antiword - Converts MS Word files to text and ps |
| 15:37.18 | Younix | converts my sister to goat |
| 15:37.23 | itguru | just found out there is no backport for asterisk :( |
| 15:37.27 | enouf | trollin trollin trollin |
| 15:37.42 | themill | enouf: rawhide! |
| 15:37.51 | enouf | !crack that whip |
| 15:37.51 | dpkg | makes that whip a crackhead. |
| 15:37.52 | keith4 | itguru: you can bite the bullet and go to lenny |
| 15:38.51 | enouf | :-P |
| 15:38.51 | Younix | "troll" is the lamest word on the internet |
| 15:38.52 | Younix | not to mention the dumbest |
| 15:38.52 | stew | itguru: i've backported it following the "/msg dpkg ssb" instructions, and it wasn't too bad |
| 15:38.52 | itguru | keith4: It's a remote system, if something goes wrong, i lose connectivity to the remote system, and they lose their gateway to the Internet! |
| 15:38.59 | keith4 | itguru: you're running asterisk on a router? |
| 15:39.18 | dcnoye | what is the command line way to see the different between two files ? |
| 15:39.22 | keith4 | diff |
| 15:39.31 | dcnoye | diff file1 file2 ? |
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| 15:40.10 | dcnoye | thanks keith |
| 15:40.21 | dcnoye | thanks keith4 |
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| 15:40.58 | itguru | keith4: Wasn't my idea! But it's a 2Ghz machine - why let it sit there wasted? It's firewall is suitably hardened - I hope! Only way in is via remote tunnel that the system starts itself to an IP address that we are connected to |
| 15:41.28 | itguru | if we don't connect, and shut down the auto disconnect, we're locked out for another hour |
| 15:41.33 | chops | itguru: I think you just answered your own question |
| 15:41.35 | mne | Hi guys. I have problems with NFS4 and kerberos. Specificly, the kernel GSS api doesn't seem to be able to connect back to gssd. The error i get is "RPC: AUTH_GSS upcall timed out. Please check user daemon is running!". Is anyone sucessfully running NFSv4 with kerberos ? |
| 15:41.38 | enouf | keith4_: there's also comm and cmp |
| 15:41.48 | itguru | chops: I did? What question was that then!? |
| 15:41.50 | chops | itguru: Back up there where you said "but I can't XXX because if anything breaks we're boned" |
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| 15:42.04 | chops | itguru: The question being "why let it sit there wasted?" |
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| 15:42.59 | chops | itguru: Avoiding installing and configuring software on a router isn't "wasting" the router... it's what you do to preserve the router's reliability and stability. When lenny releases you want to be able to upgrade the asterisk server separately from the router, certainly. |
| 15:43.02 | itguru | chops: Oh! I get you! Well, I can get someone to sit there during the reboots to make sure all goes well, but that won't happen till tommorow, and I wanted to fix this now |
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| 15:44.07 | itguru | chops: I agree, I would normally never install any extras on the router - but this machine wasn't suppose to be the router - and it'll take a week to get more hardware out to the guys |
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| 15:44.19 | itguru | But we need our voip system back :( |
| 15:45.20 | chops | itguru: Ultimately it's up to you. If you're getting forced into setting up something that's no good for the long run by time pressure today, I'd recommend making that explicit, and making your boss/client/whoever understand that you should spend more time on getting it set up properly when that's possible (in a week or whenever) |
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| 15:45.28 | chops | itguru: And now I'll stop lecturing you :-). Sorry. |
| 15:45.55 | larsemil | how do i install fglrx in debian? |
| 15:46.08 | itguru | chops: No worries! I agree with you totally - thing is, my boss knows this, and understands that - it's our client that is a bastard! |
| 15:46.18 | chops | itguru: They're known for it |
| 15:46.38 | itguru | He's used to installing everything on a single "windows" box, and assumes the same rule should sort of apply on linux too |
| 15:47.13 | itguru | I told him I can do it, but if it breaks he gets to keep both pieces :) |
| 15:47.14 | chops | itguru: Our client has insisted on putting their engineer on our project, because we keep telling them that adding features will extend the schedule, and they've convinced themselves that that won't apply if it's _their_ engineers checking new features into the codebase instead of ours. |
| 15:47.33 | itguru | chops: Don't you just HATE it when that happens! |
| 15:47.51 | chops | itguru: Hence, the build is totally broken this morning after their fellows worked all weekend on adding features that we just _have_ to have for the release candidate, which is in two weeks. |
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| 15:48.21 | itguru | chops: well, at least you can send one of those "I told you so" emails to your PM, and your client! |
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| 15:49.02 | expose | how to make a "make bzImage" compile with -m64 if my userland is 32bits but i'm on a EM64T cpu? |
| 15:49.06 | itguru | chops: Or you can submit a change request to your client, asking him to remove his developers! |
| 15:49.08 | chops | itguru: It's okay, though -- we've gotten them to agree to stop checking in a week from now, giving us a full week or feature freeze for our year-in-development product before the release candidate |
| 15:49.10 | xdac | how can i change the network route? |
| 15:49.19 | chops | itguru: Our PM is 100% on my side |
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| 15:49.42 | chops | itguru: I'm actually pretty amazed that she's gotten them to listen as much as they have. She said she had to fight pretty hard to give us a week of stabilization before RC1. |
| 15:49.47 | itguru | chops: I'm gonna guess that your a coder by trade? is that right? |
| 15:49.52 | chops | itguru: Correct |
| 15:50.04 | itguru | Can I ask you some stuff in a private msg? |
| 15:50.35 | chops | itguru: Sure |
| 15:50.36 | itguru | don't wanna flood the room with just our convo! |
| 15:50.54 | atari | (courier-pop,courier-authlib-mysql)|dovecot-pop3d <-- does something like this work in the depends line of the control file? |
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| 15:51.47 | itguru | xdac - what is it that you wish to do? |
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| 15:52.12 | itguru | xdac - usually, you delete the current route, and then add the new one |
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| 15:55.25 | xdac | itguru, how exactly? |
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| 15:56.37 | bonez44 | help... I had to reset my router recently and since resetting it I can't ssh back into my office LAN. Here's my topography: internet >> SMC networks gateway (from comcast) > > Linksys WRTP54G (two line voice router for VOIP via Vonage) to which 4 machines are connected. All machines access the net fine, but when at home, now, I can't ssh to my linux box, to which port 22 is forwarded in the Linksys config software... |
| 15:56.53 | itguru | xdac - what is it that your actually trying to so? |
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| 15:57.22 | abrotman | bonez44: this has nothign to do with debian .. your router lost the setting to allow you to ssh in .. read your router manual |
| 15:57.23 | itguru | bonez44 - how did you set it up in the first place? |
| 15:57.34 | xdac | itguru, change the gateway |
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| 15:57.58 | itguru | xdac - why do you need to change the gw? |
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| 15:58.02 | Yarcanox | hello. |
| 15:58.07 | bonez44 | itguru: I had port forwarding set before the 'reset' and it worked just fine..now though, it does not... |
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| 15:58.14 | Yarcanox | I need help with my graphic cards driver. card is NVIDIA Geforce 6200A. |
| 15:58.31 | Yarcanox | etch's drivers are way too old |
| 15:58.35 | Yarcanox | so I tried the ones from nvidia.com |
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| 15:58.56 | Yarcanox | both the newest one as 9xx legacy work after the installation until the first reboot |
| 15:58.59 | itguru | bonez44: the router you reset - is it the one that does the port forwarding? |
| 15:59.06 | Yarcanox | after the first reboot, X refuses to start and everything is trashed |
| 15:59.07 | peleg | do you know how to tell tar to archive only specific file extensions, or the omit specific file extensions, from a directory? |
| 15:59.17 | Yarcanox | I cannot reinstall the driver everytime I rebooted my PC! |
| 15:59.23 | Yarcanox | and I cannot work with this ancient driver I get from apt-get |
| 15:59.25 | Yarcanox | so what can I do? |
| 15:59.35 | abrotman | Yarcanox: ask #nvidia |
| 15:59.41 | bonez44 | itguru: yes...it's the one doing the port forwarding... |
| 15:59.43 | n3kl | Yarcanox: etch drivers should work fine for your hardware |
| 15:59.49 | Yarcanox | n3kl they work |
| 15:59.52 | Yarcanox | but they are too old |
| 15:59.56 | Yarcanox | they lack features I need |
| 16:00.01 | Yarcanox | or wine needs. |
| 16:00.01 | n3kl | Yarcanox: like what? |
| 16:00.03 | xdac | itguru, because the current one is false. it has 192.168.1.0 and i have to make it 192.168.1.254 |
| 16:00.32 | Yarcanox | n3kl wine is unable to do 3d accelerated stuff in an area of a window instead of fullscreen |
| 16:00.34 | bonez44 | the SMC device, supplied by comcast is what they are calling a business gateway...so it just forwards all traffice to the router, to which I have assigned my static IP |
| 16:00.52 | n3kl | Yarcanox: ah |
| 16:01.11 | Yarcanox | which effectively screws up all the level edit application and similar stuff I want to use |
| 16:01.36 | itguru | xdac - route add default gw www.xxx.yyy.zzz => That should set your default gateway |
| 16:01.46 | Yarcanox | so people here from #debian tell me to use the packages which are too old and wine people tell me I need to install those from nvidia.com which work only until the first reboot (which I cannot understand at all) |
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| 16:02.23 | itguru | bonez44: Have you reenabled the port forwarding? Does it have the same IP address? Does it only forward if the request has come from a certain IP address? |
| 16:02.25 | Yarcanox | why do they just stop working after the first reboot? and why only on debian? sounds more like a configuration failure than some driver/Graphics card issue |
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| 16:03.02 | _ZeuZ_ | iptables -I FORWARD -i ${LAN} -d 172.16.0.0/255.255.255.0 -j DROP |
| 16:03.02 | _ZeuZ_ | iptables -A FORWARD -i ${LAN} -s 172.16.0.0/255.255.255.0 -j ACCEPT |
| 16:03.03 | _ZeuZ_ | iptables -A FORWARD -i ${WAN} -d 172.16.0.0/255.255.255.0 -j ACCEPT |
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| 16:03.33 | xdac | itguru, thanks but it says SIOCADDRT: file already exists |
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| 16:03.58 | itguru | xdac: did you do it as route? |
| 16:04.02 | itguru | i mean root :) |
| 16:04.29 | _ZeuZ_ | http://pastebin.com/d4bf96c5c ---- That's my NAT rules, but I think they're not good enough, mind anyone giving them a check? |
| 16:04.30 | dfgf | yes |
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| 16:05.16 | dfgf | route gives 2 entries |
| 16:05.17 | chops | Yarcanox: Installing the etch drivers is not your only option for the Debian way; you can also install more recent backported drivers |
| 16:05.18 | dfgf | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 |
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| 16:05.22 | dfgf | default dsldevice.lan 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:05.33 | Yarcanox | chops where can I get them? |
| 16:05.35 | chops | Yarcanox: As for the "only works until reboot", I would guess that you need to load a kernel module |
| 16:05.37 | Yarcanox | !backports |
| 16:05.37 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 16:05.48 | Yarcanox | chops probably, I have no idea |
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| 16:05.53 | Yarcanox | I asked in #linux #debian #nvidia |
| 16:05.56 | Yarcanox | nobody was able to help me with it |
| 16:06.05 | Yarcanox | they were all lost with the prob, and I have no idea of kernel modules or something like that myself |
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| 16:06.22 | xdac_ | itguru, sorry net went down |
| 16:06.27 | chronic1 | I made a lot of changes to the source of a debian package. Its time to move that package to some other distros that don't use .deb Are the only differences between the debian source and software's source housed in the debian directory? |
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| 16:06.39 | akio | dpkg ntfs |
| 16:06.39 | dpkg | from memory, ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 16:06.43 | chops | chronic1: Sometimes there are changes outside debian/ |
| 16:06.57 | xdac_ | itguru, do those entries reported by route command look alright? |
| 16:06.57 | chops | chronic1: All the changes are stored in the .diff.gz file |
| 16:06.59 | Yarcanox | chops who can I ask about this? I would just like to use the official ones so I don't depend on some packager |
| 16:07.10 | akio | dpkg ntfsrw |
| 16:07.10 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfsrw is available starting with lenny with <ntfs-3g>, or with ntfsmount from ntfsprogs. |
| 16:07.12 | chops | Yarcanox: If you'd like to use the official ones, get support from nvidia |
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| 16:07.30 | Yarcanox | don't you have an idea about the issue? I could bet they would send me here |
| 16:07.35 | Yarcanox | as they work on other distributions :/ |
| 16:08.15 | itguru | xdac_: I don't think I got your last post |
| 16:08.19 | azeem | Yarcanox: did you compile your kernel on your own? |
| 16:08.22 | Yarcanox | no |
| 16:08.32 | xdac_ | 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 |
| 16:08.35 | xdac_ | default dsldevice.lan 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:08.36 | Yarcanox | just 686-2.6. umm something |
| 16:08.36 | Yarcanox | I can look it up if you want to |
| 16:08.45 | Yarcanox | +me |
| 16:08.45 | azeem | which version of Debian? |
| 16:08.49 | Yarcanox | 4.0 etch |
| 16:09.23 | xdac_ | itguru, ^^ |
| 16:09.30 | chops | Yarcanox: I don't have an idea about the issue, though as I said I would guess you need to load the kernel module after the reboot. Debian provides packaging for the nvidia drivers that doesn't have that problem (that I know of; I don't use nvidia). If you'd prefer not to use our packages, please don't ask us to support your configuration; ask for support from the people you got the software from. Does that make sense? |
| 16:10.13 | Yarcanox | hm chops I would use your packages if they weren't outdated |
| 16:10.20 | chops | Yarcanox: /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:10.24 | chops | Yarcanox: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:10.40 | chops | Yarcanox: Somebody already gave you that information |
| 16:10.53 | Yarcanox | I did it myself =P |
| 16:11.38 | chops | Yarcanox: I know it's frustrating for different people to tell you different contradictory approaches and refuse to help you with what others have recommended, but there's not a lot we can do to make #nvidia and #linux stop telling you approaches that aren't the best on Debian. |
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| 16:12.14 | chops | Yarcanox: You're free not to listen to us and to go your own way, of course... but just in that case please don't ask for support here :-/. |
| 16:12.32 | Yarcanox | chops sorry, I am just about to do it the debian-way on backports |
| 16:12.37 | n3kl | also, if you have been running debian for any length of time, you will find that the development cycle is slow, but stable |
| 16:12.43 | n3kl | it is what it is |
| 16:12.43 | Yarcanox | hm. search for nvidia gave no results :< |
| 16:12.51 | itguru | xdac_ : Do a traceroute to an internet site like google.co.uk - your first hope should be your default gateway |
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| 16:13.00 | itguru | xdac_: that way you know it's worked |
| 16:13.07 | Yarcanox | n3kl ubuntu would be fine if it hadn't that much useless stuff |
| 16:13.13 | Yarcanox | it is so much slower or at least feels so much slower |
| 16:14.22 | Yarcanox | chops what can I do if I can't find any backports on backports.org? |
| 16:14.31 | chops | Yarcanox: For the third time: |
| 16:14.34 | abrotman | !de |
| 16:14.34 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 16:14.35 | chops | !tell Yarcanox about ssb |
| 16:15.05 | xdac_ | itguru, it works |
| 16:15.41 | itguru | xdac_ Glad I could help |
| 16:15.42 | xdac_ | itguru, but ... the problem is that i have a host running debian as guest os on vmware |
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| 16:16.03 | Yarcanox | 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. <= where can I get that one for a package? |
| 16:16.04 | itguru | xdac_: So... what's the problem? |
| 16:16.05 | xdac_ | itguru, when i portforward one ip on the host it works, on the guest it doesn't |
| 16:16.20 | akio | what is the most non-hard coded way to mount ntfs with gnome-volume-manager in lenny? |
| 16:16.22 | itguru | How have you got the virtual machine getting it's IP? |
| 16:16.29 | akio | i don't want to touch fstab |
| 16:16.51 | xdac_ | itguru, i'm using bridged networking on the vm [guest] and my router does NAT |
| 16:16.51 | xdac_ | itguru, dhcp |
| 16:16.58 | akio | hardy and linux mint have it working |
| 16:17.22 | Yarcanox | chops the !ssb-thing sounds like if there is no backport, it is going to be a bad idea to port the sid-version back and I guess that even counts more if it's something complicated like an nvidia driver |
| 16:17.26 | n3kl | akio: tried hal support or something in gnome? |
| 16:17.47 | akio | right |
| 16:18.03 | akio | i don't know too much about how they work |
| 16:18.10 | akio | i restart it and thats about it |
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| 16:18.19 | akio | dbus anyway |
| 16:18.36 | sls_ | does anyone know what a *.udeb is? |
| 16:18.40 | n3kl | akio: dunno man, I don't use gnome. |
| 16:18.45 | streuner | !udeb |
| 16:18.45 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 16:18.50 | akio | i use nautilus |
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| 16:18.51 | itguru | xdac_: With bridged networking, it should act just like any other device on the network |
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| 16:19.11 | itguru | xdac_ are you trying to forward a port from the router to the VM? |
| 16:19.39 | xdac_ | itguru, yes. |
| 16:19.48 | n3kl | xdac_: you got anything loaded in iptables on the host? |
| 16:20.03 | xdac_ | n3kl, the host is windows 2k3 |
| 16:20.15 | n3kl | xdac_: turned the firewall off? |
| 16:20.53 | n3kl | xdac_: also, if you are unable to forward from your firewall to a guest, this sounds to me like a windows issue. Start there |
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| 16:21.16 | xdac_ | n3kl, i will try |
| 16:21.23 | xdac_ | what if it that isn't the case? |
| 16:21.26 | sls_ | streuner, when I mirror a debian site using that app (forgot the name) that sucks down whatever version you pass to it at a command line; does it not include the installer components? |
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| 16:21.46 | itguru | xdac_ The VM of debian will behave just like a normal machine - I'm going to guess the firewall is still in place - you need to make allowances for the traffic your sending its way |
| 16:21.46 | n3kl | xdac_: then try #windows, google.com, or amazon.com |
| 16:22.20 | sls_ | streuner, apt-mirror. |
| 16:22.27 | n3kl | xdac_: I would also double check to make sure you are able to port forward something/anything for proof of concept |
| 16:22.30 | xdac_ | itguru, n3kl thank you very much i'll try |
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| 16:22.53 | xdac_ | n3kl, if i forward smth on the host it works |
| 16:23.10 | n3kl | xdac_: where are you doing your forwarding? |
| 16:23.19 | n3kl | xdac_: like a linksys box or someting? |
| 16:23.22 | sdousley|work | Hi all, i am trying to install msttcorefonts on Debian etch, but i get an error that it has no installation candidate |
| 16:23.22 | xdac_ | the vm has the problem |
| 16:23.23 | streuner | sls_: no, udeb's are for d-i (debian-installer) |
| 16:23.43 | xdac_ | n3kl, a speedtouch router |
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| 16:24.17 | n3kl | xdac_: so you can forward , from the external of the speedtouch, static nat to smtp on host vm server? |
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| 16:24.30 | thermoman | what's the estimated time ext2resize will run growing a 550GB ext3 volume (520GB used) to 825GB partition size? can the data to be read/written be determined somehow? |
| 16:24.46 | streuner | sls_: wayttd |
| 16:24.51 | n3kl | thermoman: 10 mins |
| 16:25.09 | thermoman | n3kl: i doubt |
| 16:25.14 | aw0x | thermoman: 11 mins |
| 16:25.15 | n3kl | thermoman: ok |
| 16:25.27 | xdac_ | n3kl, i dont quite understand :S |
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| 16:26.38 | n3kl | You have verified that you can get trafficefor smtp from the internet to the host machine, right? If this si true, it means that your forwarding is setup and you should look elsewhere for the issue. In this case, I would start with the windows machine that the vms are running. |
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| 16:28.19 | larsemil | hmm i just found a bug in lenny, where do i report this? |
| 16:28.19 | NiLoni | how I resolve memory "chip" count on my motherboard? |
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| 16:29.34 | stew | larsemil: /msg dpkg reportbug ; /msg dpkg bts |
| 16:29.37 | cahoot | dmidecode? |
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| 16:32.28 | xdac_ | n3kl, it isn't the win fw |
| 16:32.30 | xdac_ | i just checked |
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| 16:33.50 | n3kl | xdac_: dunno man. from what I understand about your situation, I would think it is somewhere a problem with the connection between the windows physical interface and the bridged connection that the vms are using. That to me says firewall. If you say no, look for something else that is filtering traffic on the windows machine. |
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| 16:35.24 | grendal_prime | is there an option for flushing out the exim4 que...im reading the man but dont see anything for just clearing out the que. /me thinks it should be the -bm option (just because that would be funny as hell) |
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| 16:37.15 | xuser | what cli torrent clients are there? |
| 16:37.36 | n3kl | xuser: bittornado has one that is friggin awesome |
| 16:38.03 | xuser | n3kl: k thanks. |
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| 16:38.19 | xdac_ | it says 1 failure since last login |
| 16:38.24 | xdac_ | how can i see that failure? |
| 16:38.28 | cmdln | xuser: rtorrent |
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| 16:39.24 | n3kl | speaking of torrents, anyone know a good application, perhaps web application, that acts as a good torrent server sort of thing |
| 16:39.40 | xdac_ | n3kl, maybe it's the debian iptables? |
| 16:39.54 | cmdln | n3kl: torrentflux maybe? |
| 16:40.06 | n3kl | xdac_: you have iptables running on a vm gues? |
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| 16:40.40 | curtmack | xdac_: It means that, since the last time you logged in, there was an attempted log in under that account, which gave the wrong password, so the login failed. Unless that person wasn't you, it's nothing to worry about. |
| 16:40.49 | n3kl | cmdln: hmm, that looks pretty nice. |
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| 16:41.02 | xdac_ | n3kl, i don't know, it's a fresh etch install |
| 16:41.05 | n3kl | I guess I think I am looking for more of a tracker sort of situation |
| 16:41.12 | n3kl | xdac_: so prob not |
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| 16:41.31 | n3kl | Any webapp torrent tracker applications out there? |
| 16:41.46 | n3kl | xdac_: where are you thinking its an iptables issue then. |
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| 16:42.56 | \amethyst | n3kl: there's libapache2-mod-bt |
| 16:43.34 | micols | how do i change language of xorg without restarting it? input language.. |
| 16:43.44 | n3kl | \amethyst: I have seen that, but I am not sure how to implement it. From what I know of it, its just a module, so I would need to build an app to use it, which is way more work than I want to put into a tracker. |
| 16:43.45 | micols | from us to dk |
| 16:44.00 | \amethyst | n3kl: what kind of app do you need exactly? |
| 16:44.57 | micols | ah setxkbmap -layout dk , simple |
| 16:45.49 | n3kl | \amethyst: I am looking for something like a php app, if you have seen oink.cd or something similar. |
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| 16:48.53 | n3kl | \amethyst: I am really looking for something with a web interface that I can, from anywhere, share data through the magic of torrents. I think ktorrent has a web interface of sorts, but I am more looking for a torrent server sort of thing as a distribution method. |
| 16:49.14 | idimmu | torrentflux |
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| 16:49.55 | larsemil | when i start rhythmbox i get errors saying "could not activete plugin jamendo" and same for magnatunestore, cdcover thingy |
| 16:50.09 | n3kl | idimmu: in apt even... hmm |
| 16:50.29 | n3kl | well, perhaps it will server my purpose. I will check it out |
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| 16:54.44 | enouf | micols: i don't think you even need -layout , but not certain at all about that |
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| 16:56.21 | vaenilicious | Hello |
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| 16:57.30 | vaenilicious | When im boot it says something about the X-server. |
| 16:57.42 | vaenilicious | i new in debian |
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| 16:58.04 | vaenilicious | so, i ask you guys to find some answers |
| 16:58.17 | n3kl | elaborate on "says something" |
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| 16:58.40 | SlayerXP | elaborate on "it" "says" and "something" |
| 16:58.47 | n3kl | =] |
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| 16:59.04 | Amarilis | can i install debian side by side with windows ? is debian know to read ntfs partitions ? |
| 16:59.15 | idimmu | yes and yes |
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| 16:59.54 | Amarilis | idimmu: 10x |
| 17:00.04 | idimmu | thanks |
| 17:01.00 | abrotman | vaenilicious: you're going to have to give us more information |
| 17:01.06 | vaenilicious | k |
| 17:01.11 | vaenilicious | i'll boot now |
| 17:01.23 | vaenilicious | my english sux, sry |
| 17:01.51 | vaenilicious | "(EE) No devices detected." |
| 17:01.52 | abrotman | vaenilicious: if you prefer another language, we have channels for many of the more popular languages |
| 17:02.05 | xdac_ | what's the user that apache runs under in etch? |
| 17:02.09 | vaenilicious | abrotman: that's okay |
| 17:02.10 | stew | xdac_: www-data |
| 17:02.20 | stew | vaenilicious: what graphics card do you have? |
| 17:02.41 | vaenilicious | stew: nVidia Geforce 8600 GT |
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| 17:02.56 | stew | vaenilicious: which driver are you using? |
| 17:02.57 | xdac_ | stew, why not nobody? |
| 17:03.58 | larsemil | hmm compiz says no whitelisted driver found... |
| 17:03.59 | stew | xdac_: why not www-data |
| 17:04.06 | vaenilicious | stew: do you mean in linux ? |
| 17:04.16 | stew | vaenilicious: yes. try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 17:04.30 | Amarilis | shorewall or iptables ?? which one do you recommend to use ? |
| 17:04.40 | chops | xdac_: nobody is not secure |
| 17:04.59 | xdac_ | stew, because it's nobody everywhere else :/ |
| 17:05.05 | stew | xdac_: no it isn't |
| 17:05.05 | xdac_ | why? |
| 17:05.07 | chops | xdac_: You don't want your apache user to be able to read your squid user's data, for example, if squid also runs as nobody |
| 17:05.44 | xdac_ | but i had an sql with nobody and i inserted it in etch's apache and i have problems with the permissions |
| 17:05.45 | vaenilicious | stew: do you think "nv" is an alternative ? |
| 17:05.50 | xdac_ | what should i do? |
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| 17:05.56 | stew | xdac_: what problems? |
| 17:05.59 | n3kl | xdac_: thats sql dood |
| 17:06.04 | abrotman | xdac_: sql and apache aren't related |
| 17:06.26 | chops | xdac_: Please explain "I had an sql" and "i inserted it in etch's apache" in a bit more detail |
| 17:06.27 | abrotman | unless you're using some modauth_mysql or something like that |
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| 17:06.36 | Spida | can anybody who uses etch and texlive please compile the contents of http://rafb.net/p/ox2Ejx30.html with pdflatex and report the output? (fairly minimal example with just 8 lines input/2 words output) |
| 17:06.40 | vaenilicious | stew: do you think "nv" is an alternative ? |
| 17:06.40 | abrotman | but something like PHP or JSP doesn't care who the apache runs as |
| 17:06.44 | stew | vaenilicious: yes, 'vesa' and 'nv' are things to try |
| 17:06.53 | vaenilicious | stew: k |
| 17:06.57 | vaenilicious | stew: i'll try |
| 17:07.16 | xdac_ | how can i remove a user from a grp? |
| 17:07.36 | xdac_ | chops, i'm not quite sure myself heh :) |
| 17:07.49 | Mundus | vim /etc/group |
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| 17:08.09 | stew | Mundus: one should use vigr instead of vim /etc/group |
| 17:08.17 | vaenilicious | stew: how do i know my keyboard model ? |
| 17:08.42 | pharmaka | hello everyone! |
| 17:08.42 | n3kl | vaenilicious: it might be printed on the underside of the device |
| 17:08.55 | abrotman | n3kl: he means like qwerty-105 |
| 17:09.05 | nse | Hello guys. I have a friend who wants to change his os from windows to debian. He uses inrernet via radio and told me that he needs to do a pppoe connection so he have to full speed. Is this avaliable in debian? |
| 17:09.13 | pharmaka | id like to know why there isn't any wine0.9.59 package for lenny in the repositories |
| 17:09.21 | abrotman | nse: pppoeconf |
| 17:09.22 | chops | nse: pppoe is available in Debian |
| 17:09.23 | vaenilicious | n3kl: y-BP62a ? |
| 17:09.31 | abrotman | !info wine lenny |
| 17:09.44 | abrotman | or not |
| 17:09.49 | seed1 | !info wine lenny |
| 17:09.56 | nse | abrotman, chops: do you think it's a good idea to give him a netinst cd? |
| 17:10.10 | chops | nse: Only if he's relatively savvy |
| 17:10.14 | abrotman | nse: the netinst has pppoeconf on it .. is he going to abandon windows completely or netboot ? |
| 17:10.17 | abrotman | ermm .. dualboot |
| 17:10.22 | \amethyst | pharmaka: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=wine |
| 17:10.26 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API implementation - standard suite), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.58-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 852 kB, Installed size: 900 kB |
| 17:10.33 | chops | nse: The worst that can happen is he has trouble with the install and decides that Debian is no good :-) |
| 17:10.35 | \amethyst | pharmaka: it hasm't been in sid long enough to migrate to lenny yet |
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| 17:10.50 | vaenilicious | n3kl: Y-BP62a is that a keyboard model? |
| 17:10.52 | nse | chops: :) |
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| 17:11.00 | pharmaka | so 5 more days? |
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| 17:11.06 | abrotman | vaenilicious: you mean it's asking you the "qwerty" or "azerty" question ? |
| 17:11.16 | nse | abrotman: I am not aware of netboot. Let me see this... |
| 17:11.23 | abrotman | nse: i meant dualboot |
| 17:11.35 | abrotman | pharmaka: 5 more days .. and no big bugs found |
| 17:11.37 | n3kl | vaenilicious: I wasmostly giving you shit about it. No worries. I would try a standard 104 for starters, but it sounds like you might be from somewhere else in the world, and me being an ignorant american, I have no idea |
| 17:11.55 | vaenilicious | abrotman: what do you think i should type there ? |
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| 17:12.11 | abrotman | vaenilicious: i have no idea what the common keyboard is in your country |
| 17:12.18 | abrotman | norwegian ? |
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| 17:12.22 | vaenilicious | abrotman: no, swedish |
| 17:12.30 | pharmaka | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:12.35 | larsemil | hmm i have the latest ati driver from their homepage - in xorg.conf i get that aigxl is enabled. but i cant start compiz |
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| 17:12.49 | Mundus | vaenilicious: 105 keys |
| 17:12.52 | larsemil | Checking for Composite extension: not present. |
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| 17:13.02 | vaenilicious | mundus: ty, so. pc105 ? |
| 17:13.06 | Mundus | Yeah |
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| 17:13.10 | peleg | is there a way, in crontab, to execute a command with a parameter that depends on the month / day etc. ? |
| 17:13.14 | nse | abrotman: he told me he will test debian so he can decide if he want to move completely |
| 17:13.35 | chops | peleg: Not in crontab that I know of, but it's easy to set that in a shell script |
| 17:13.57 | \amethyst | peleg: sure, use $(date) |
| 17:14.10 | peleg | in the crontab, or in the bash script? |
| 17:14.12 | \amethyst | the commands in crontab are executed by a shell |
| 17:14.19 | \amethyst | so you can use that in the crontab |
| 17:14.22 | peleg | so it doesn't matter. |
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| 17:14.25 | peleg | thanks |
| 17:14.30 | \amethyst | peleg: one thing to note: % is special in a crontab |
| 17:14.30 | abrotman | nse: he could test it in a vm ? |
| 17:14.31 | chops | peleg: Or `date +%e` or whatnot |
| 17:14.32 | vaenilicious | mouseport, some1 ? |
| 17:14.35 | abrotman | !se |
| 17:14.35 | dpkg | i guess se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net). |
| 17:14.43 | nse | abrotman: I image this don't help you. Well I believe he has no more acess to windows because he got a virus which blowed everything away... |
| 17:14.52 | \amethyst | peleg: so you must backslash your percent signs |
| 17:15.04 | peleg | \amethyst: ok, thanks |
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| 17:15.16 | peleg | chops: what did you mean? |
| 17:15.19 | chops | nse: With no way to return in case of trouble isn't always the best way to get accustomed to Linux |
| 17:15.24 | abrotman | nse: oh ... well that should make it easier :) |
| 17:15.43 | chops | peleg: `date +%e` will expand to the current day of the month (but see \amethyst's comment about backslashing percent signs) |
| 17:15.46 | chops | peleg: See man date |
| 17:15.48 | nse | what's vm, abrotman? |
| 17:16.00 | abrotman | nse: like vmware ? |
| 17:16.16 | peleg | chops: OK, thanks |
| 17:16.21 | chops | peleg: np |
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| 17:16.35 | \amethyst | note that %e is space-padded; $d is the zero-padded day of month |
| 17:16.38 | \amethyst | err, %d |
| 17:17.10 | peleg | ok |
| 17:17.12 | \amethyst | or %-d if you want no padding |
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| 17:18.54 | Mundus | vaenilicious: /dev/mouse |
| 17:18.57 | abrotman | no |
| 17:19.06 | abrotman | vaenilicious: /dev/input/mice |
| 17:19.18 | abrotman | Mundus: try not to mess him up .. he's having a hard enough time as it is |
| 17:19.44 | vaenilicious | abrotman: thanks, |
| 17:19.56 | nse | abrotman: oh yes! I sse it now a virtual machine or something |
| 17:20.14 | abrotman | nse: but if his windows is dead .. doesn't matter |
| 17:20.16 | Mundus | abrotman: Sorry, forgot /input |
| 17:20.27 | nse | well I believe if I am close to him during installation he (I) will make it through the rain... |
| 17:20.30 | vaenilicious | mouseprotocol ? |
| 17:20.34 | eald | hi,anybody had problem with ipod or any other usb mass-storage device and gnome in the last three, four days? |
| 17:20.39 | abrotman | Mundus: and mice vs mouse? |
| 17:20.43 | Mundus | mice? |
| 17:20.44 | chops | eald: Checked the BTS? |
| 17:20.52 | Mundus | Hmmm |
| 17:20.58 | abrotman | vaenilicious: try the default |
| 17:21.12 | vaenilicious | abrotman: ImPS/2 ? |
| 17:21.22 | abrotman | try it |
| 17:21.22 | eald | chops: jum, I always had the idea that bts can't search for strings like IPOD, but seems that I have been wrong all this time :) |
| 17:21.24 | Mundus | Yup, my bad |
| 17:21.24 | nse | thank you, chops |
| 17:21.27 | nse | thank you, abrotman |
| 17:21.32 | chops | nse: np |
| 17:21.42 | chops | eald: Or you may have been right, but it was implemented at some point :-) |
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| 17:22.26 | peleg | how can I add a line to the *first* line of a file, instead of to the end of it? (what ">>" does) |
| 17:22.52 | idimmu | echo arse > newfile ; cat oldfile >> newfile ; mv oldfile newfile |
| 17:23.06 | peleg | cool :-) |
| 17:23.19 | idimmu | er mv newfile oldfile even! |
| 17:23.20 | grendal_prime | i need to plunge out an exim que..any adfice? |
| 17:23.22 | abrotman | idimmu: didn't you just overwrite 'arse' with the old file? |
| 17:23.27 | grendal_prime | advice that is |
| 17:23.43 | idimmu | abrotman: maybe :) |
| 17:23.45 | themill | abrotman: no |
| 17:23.50 | abrotman | themill: yes he did |
| 17:23.52 | idimmu | the mv at the end was the wrong way round |
| 17:23.54 | idimmu | the rest is ok |
| 17:23.58 | igli | printf '%s\n' H 1i 'New line' w | ed -s file |
| 17:24.10 | themill | abrotman: the mv is backwards, is that what you mean? |
| 17:24.14 | abrotman | themill: yes |
| 17:24.34 | idimmu | either way, no loss of the original data :D |
| 17:24.44 | abrotman | just wasted cpu! :) |
| 17:24.44 | themill | abrotman: if you're writing arse into your files, that's probably called "covering your tracks". |
| 17:24.47 | stew | loss of arse |
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| 17:24.56 | abrotman | themill: not funny! |
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| 17:25.11 | igli | hi i'm trying to compile a kernel to get my NIC running, i have the srcs but it's including stuff from /usr/lib/gcc/i486 altho i am running i686 kernel. getting include probs, tho i have added -I /usr/src/linux-2.6.24/include to make line (menuconfig) |
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| 17:25.45 | chops | igli: Better to use make-kpkg instead of doing it by hand |
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| 17:26.01 | igli | chops: yeah it says to configure the kernel first in the faq |
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| 17:26.08 | chops | igli: What do you need to be changed in order for your NIC to work (as opposed to in Debian kernels)? |
| 17:26.12 | darkapostrophe | Is there a way to make GRUB autodetect drives? |
| 17:26.27 | darkapostrophe | I installed a hard drive containing winxp, and I want it available in GRUB. |
| 17:26.34 | zyx386 | copi folder from desktop to another folder? |
| 17:26.46 | zyx386 | *copy |
| 17:26.51 | abrotman | man cp |
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| 17:26.55 | igli | chops: nfc tbh the etch dvd recognises it but doesn't work with it. other livedisks work ok with it (and it's old card, tulip) |
| 17:27.11 | chops | igli: So what are you trying to change about the kernel in order to fix that? |
| 17:27.24 | igli | heh |
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| 17:27.36 | chops | igli: (Sounds like an installer bug, BTW... you might try a newer installer and file a bug if the newer installer still doesn't work) |
| 17:27.53 | igli | for a start the driver version in dmesg says it's from 2002, and i've built my own kernels on this box for years |
| 17:28.01 | abrotman | igli: compiling a kernel isn't likely to have .. i've got about 10-15 of those things laying around because 2.6 made them useless/unreliable |
| 17:28.06 | abrotman | likely to help |
| 17:28.28 | chops | igli: So what are you doing differently? Are you just hoping that compiling your own kernel will fix things with no other modifications? |
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| 17:28.36 | igli | hmm well idk what else i can do, card works fine with other distros |
| 17:28.43 | chops | igli: You can file a bug :-) |
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| 17:28.52 | abrotman | igli: you've got IIRC .. tulip, oldtulip, and de4x5 .. i couldn't get any to work correctly, even with a self compiled kernel |
| 17:29.04 | igli | chops: yes to an extent, i'm hoping the lack of all those modules might help. |
| 17:29.06 | \amethyst | igli: have you checked that the kernel you're compiling has a newer driver for the NIC? |
| 17:29.17 | igli | m00 \amethyst no |
| 17:29.19 | abrotman | \amethyst: he's talking about the ancient tulip cards |
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| 17:29.34 | igli | maybe i need to blacklist some modules instead then |
| 17:29.58 | chops | igli: You could boot single-user and try the various driver options one by one, seeing if one works and the others don't |
| 17:30.13 | igli | sounds like a plan chops |
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| 17:30.31 | chops | igli: Also, and I realize I already mentioned this, you should try a newer installer version and file a bug if it still doesn't work. Filing bugs is the only way a lot of compatibility things like this ever get fixed. |
| 17:31.10 | igli | i'm happy to file a bug, not so sure about d/ling the dvd tho |
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| 17:32.04 | shellito | Hola, hey alguien sabe, conoce de documentacion logwatch para inlcluir logs de apache? |
| 17:32.20 | shellito | :s Im so sorry. |
| 17:32.22 | chops | igli: Downloading the new netinst is fine; you don't have to get the whole new DVD |
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| 17:32.32 | igli | ah ok |
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| 17:33.16 | shellito | Hi, have some information about include apache-logs to logwatch? |
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| 17:34.34 | shellito | *have someone |
| 17:34.53 | eald | chops: well, somehow bts helped, thanks |
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| 17:35.05 | chops | eald: Shocking :-) |
| 17:35.38 | stew | shellito: what about it? |
| 17:36.00 | eald | some non-related bug has dbus written there, then I just restarted dbus deamon |
| 17:36.50 | igli | ok i'm d/ling the i386 netinst now, chops |
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| 17:37.44 | igli | meh i'm gonna have to install the whole thing again, aren't i? ;) |
| 17:37.58 | shellito | stew, well I just install logwatch.. but i didn't give info about some logs.. so I was wandering about any doc to write rules to include de logs in logwatch |
| 17:38.14 | shellito | i = it stew |
| 17:38.30 | chops | igli: Wait -- I thought the problem was that the etch DVD wasn't recognizing it... |
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| 17:38.43 | chops | igli: If you just want it to work in your etch system, then there are different steps to take |
| 17:38.57 | chops | igli: First I would install a backported up-to-date kernel and see if you can get it to work there |
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| 17:39.06 | igli | no it recognises it, but it keeps giving timeouts. and i tested the dhcp the minute before |
| 17:39.09 | igli | hmm |
| 17:39.29 | igli | ok sorry new to debian. better idea yer |
| 17:39.34 | chops | igli: No worries |
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| 17:39.40 | igli | :) |
| 17:39.45 | chops | igli: I went off half-cocked telling you how to proceed. Sorry about that. |
| 17:39.50 | igli | np |
| 17:39.56 | igli | quite happy to reinstall |
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| 17:40.35 | igli | only got as far as desktop and standard sys |
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| 17:40.57 | igli | if that's more useful i can do that |
| 17:41.28 | chops | igli: No, probably getting it working in the already-installed system will be a first step if support for that card is buggy in the current kernels |
| 17:41.37 | igli | ok cool |
| 17:41.37 | chops | igli: What kernels do the distros where this card works use? |
| 17:42.16 | vaenilicious | when i configuring xorg it like goes back to the terminal and it says: "xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080414213508 |
| 17:42.26 | drwahl | i think i found the issue, but... my friend installed etch, then was trying to upgrade to sid and skipped lenny. now when he apt-get upgrade/dist-upgrade, he gets http://pastebin.com/m775ac6a0 . will changing sources to lenny then trying upgrade/dist-upgrade fix that? |
| 17:42.31 | igli | man dunno what this pclinux-os is i imagine 2.6.23. i had it working in gentoo for years |
| 17:42.55 | dfgf | in apache 2.2.x is there another conf file except apache2.conf? |
| 17:43.44 | chops | dfgf: Yes, several |
| 17:43.59 | dfgf | chops, can you mention some? |
| 17:44.01 | chops | drwahl: Use aptitude dist-upgrade, not apt-get upgrade |
| 17:44.07 | chops | dfgf: Basically everything in /etc/apache2 |
| 17:44.15 | drwahl | chops: will try that, thanks |
| 17:44.17 | chops | dfgf: What are you trying to do? |
| 17:44.37 | chops | dfgf: Individual site configurations are in /etc/apache2/sites-available/, for example |
| 17:44.45 | vaenilicious | when i configuring xorg it like goes back to the terminal and it says: "xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20080414213508 |
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| 17:45.19 | stew | shellito: read /usr/share/doc/logwatch/HOWTO-Customize-LogWatch.gz |
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| 17:45.50 | shellito | stew, ok.. im on it. tnx |
| 17:46.02 | vaenilicious | can someone help ? |
| 17:46.09 | stew | shellito: somewhere in there it should describe adding files to /etc/logwatch/logfiles |
| 17:46.18 | chops | vaenilicious: That doesn't sound like a problem to me |
| 17:46.23 | chops | vaenilicious: It's just keeping you informed |
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| 17:46.40 | vaenilicious | chops: but i cant get back to the configuration |
| 17:46.49 | vaenilicious | i cant go on to the next step |
| 17:47.15 | chops | vaenilicious: What are you trying to do, and what's happening instead of what you want to happen? |
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| 17:48.50 | vaenilicious | chops: w8 |
| 17:49.03 | curtmack | I'm trying to set up the radeon driver, but r300_dri.so is missing. What package contains that file, or does anyone have any idea how to get it compiled? |
| 17:49.03 | simonrvn | "THIS IS *NOT* #ubuntu" ;) |
| 17:49.17 | simonrvn | !w8 |
| 17:49.17 | dpkg | Wait. I'll tell you in a minute. |
| 17:49.32 | chops | !tell curtmack about search |
| 17:49.47 | vaenilicious | chops: http://data.fuskbugg.se/skalman01/-------------------Bild%20003.jpg |
| 17:49.51 | igli | chops: 2.6.18+6etch3 is on site is that the right one? (current is 2.6.18+6 according to synaptic) |
| 17:49.55 | vaenilicious | chops: there's a picture |
| 17:50.14 | vaenilicious | i'm configuring the monitor there, |
| 17:50.20 | chops | vaenilicious: Looks to me like you're done configuring xorg. |
| 17:50.26 | chops | vaenilicious: Have you tried launching it? |
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| 17:50.33 | vaenilicious | chops: how do i do ? |
| 17:50.37 | chops | vaenilicious: startx |
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| 17:50.55 | vaenilicious | chops. thank you very much! |
| 17:50.59 | chops | vaenilicious: np |
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| 17:51.37 | curtmack | what does it mean when aptitude lists a {u} after the name of a package to be removed? |
| 17:51.55 | chops | igli: That's the right one for etch, I believe |
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| 17:52.18 | igli | ok :) thanks for your help chops |
| 17:52.21 | chops | igli: np |
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| 17:53.47 | vaenilicious | my "ALTGR" doesnt work. |
| 17:53.52 | igli | etch-backports has 2.6.22+11.1~bpo40+2 (digging around( |
| 17:53.55 | Christoph_vW | I had a hdd crash and I had to revert to an older system state - now one of my raids is missing (as I installed it later) |
| 17:53.59 | vaenilicious | how to do a "@" ? |
| 17:54.04 | Christoph_vW | how do I restore it? |
| 17:54.08 | igli | fsck it i'll just d/l both of em |
| 17:54.12 | Christoph_vW | can I recreate it using madm? |
| 17:54.17 | Christoph_vW | mdadm* |
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| 17:56.36 | Lagbolt | Christoph_vW, missing in kinda vague. assuming your OS is not on it right? it is just data? |
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| 18:00.44 | vaenilicious | abrotman: do you know any commands to configure keymap or something, my "ALTGR" doesnt work. |
| 18:00.56 | abrotman | in X? |
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| 18:01.46 | vaenilicious | yeah |
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| 18:02.23 | abrotman | you probably chose the wrong keyboard layout .. but i don't have those keys so i can't tell you which keymap to cohose |
| 18:02.35 | vaenilicious | okey :/ |
| 18:02.39 | intheboat | wwhich is the samba browser and mounter for gnome pls |
| 18:02.52 | valdyn | intheboat: nautilus |
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| 18:03.19 | intheboat | and how it work |
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| 18:03.59 | SerajewelKS | is there a way to "ping" a bluetooth device just to see if it's there, without connecting to it? |
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| 18:04.31 | igli | odd when i follow the links for the 2.6.18-6etch3 it's just linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 which looks same as one installed. i'll try backport one |
| 18:04.45 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: just scan ? |
| 18:04.52 | Christoph_vW | Lagbolt: just data |
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| 18:04.56 | chops | igli: You should be using apt to install .debs, not browsing and following links by hand |
| 18:04.56 | abrotman | intheboat: nautilus |
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| 18:05.06 | igli | chops: no network ;) |
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| 18:05.11 | igli | i'm on my lappy |
| 18:05.11 | chops | igli: There's apt-offline |
| 18:05.13 | themill | ! tell vaeniilicious about root |
| 18:05.19 | chops | igli: I did forget that one, though, yes :-) |
| 18:05.24 | igli | hehe :D |
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| 18:05.36 | chops | igli: The only thing is that there might be dependencies of the backport; it might not be enough just to get the kernel .deb |
| 18:05.37 | Lagbolt | Christoph_vW, and mdadm is still installed? you just cant see the raid device or what? how was it configured? can you give more details |
| 18:05.44 | igli | ah point |
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| 18:06.09 | chops | igli: One good way is to boot from one of the live CDs that does make your network card work, and then work by chrooting to your real system |
| 18:06.13 | intheboat | valdyn> nautilis don't mount in local |
| 18:06.20 | Christoph_vW | mdadm is installed and I can see two of three arrays |
| 18:06.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is there a way to make GRUB autodetect drives? |
| 18:06.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | I installed a hard drive containing winxp, and I want it available in GRUB. |
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| 18:06.50 | Lagbolt | ah so you have 3 different arrays. how are they configured? do you have them in mdadm.conf or is it setup to auto detect? |
| 18:06.51 | Rahzberry | HI can i make a swap file instead of partition somewhere on my / directory or elsewhere i.e /home and does it make sense? |
| 18:07.09 | chops | Rahzberry: You can do that, and it does make sense (I always prefer swap files to partitions) |
| 18:07.14 | igli | initramfs-tools (>= 0.55) i have 0.85g. heh that sounds like a gentoo install, chops ;) |
| 18:07.15 | Christoph_vW | Lagbolt: two of them are in mdadm.conf - the third is missing |
| 18:07.27 | Rahzberry | thank you chops |
| 18:07.42 | chops | Rahzberry: Use dd to create an empty file of the appropriate type, run mkswap on the empty file, and then configure swapping to that file as normal in /etc/fstab |
| 18:07.42 | Christoph_vW | I already tried mdadm --scan |
| 18:07.46 | Christoph_vW | without any results |
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| 18:07.51 | Lagbolt | Christoph_vW, so the physical configuration for the array is no longer in the file? |
| 18:07.57 | Christoph_vW | correct |
| 18:08.11 | Rahzberry | chops ok |
| 18:08.14 | Rahzberry | will do |
| 18:08.21 | Lagbolt | did the file get reverted to older pre 3rd array version? |
| 18:08.30 | Christoph_vW | yes |
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| 18:08.37 | chops | Rahzberry: FWIW I tend to use /root/swapfile or /srv/swapfile |
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| 18:08.53 | chops | Rahzberry: Just make sure the swap file isn't world-readable |
| 18:09.41 | Lagbolt | well mdadm --scan just looks in /proc/mdstat so that prob wont find what you want |
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| 18:09.54 | Lagbolt | Christoph_vW, you need it to scan each partition for MD superblocks |
| 18:10.03 | Lagbolt | can you pastebin your mdadm.conf |
| 18:10.31 | Christoph_vW | http://pastebin.com/d6720af3f |
| 18:11.05 | rahul | do people generally use the onboard alc88x onboard audio these days? |
| 18:11.21 | rahul | it seems like that's the only choice for audio hardware |
| 18:11.24 | streuner | no |
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| 18:12.19 | yigal | this is an unofficial topic, but what is the equivalent firefox 3 called, for iceweasel, I forget the name and would like to install it |
| 18:12.35 | Lagbolt | Christoph_vW, didnt back it up before reverting i suppose |
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| 18:12.45 | azeem | yigal: iceweasel |
| 18:12.56 | rahul | streuner: how do people connect speakers to their computers these days? |
| 18:13.01 | Christoph_vW | Lagbolt: no |
| 18:13.09 | rahul | I really don't trust realtek chips under linux |
| 18:13.19 | yigal | azeem: really? there are unofficial packages of iceweasel 3 called iceweasel? |
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| 18:13.25 | azeem | unofficial? |
| 18:13.28 | rahul | and ##hardware's only value is to ridicule me for using linux |
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| 18:13.33 | azeem | !info iceweasel experimental |
| 18:13.38 | Christoph_vW | the hdd crashed after two weeks of usage |
| 18:14.20 | Lagbolt | Christoph_vW, you know which drives are supposed to be in it right |
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| 18:14.28 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~b5-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 9337 kB, Installed size: 26416 kB |
| 18:14.32 | Christoph_vW | yes, sda and sdb |
| 18:14.36 | themill | !tell yigal about iceweasel3 |
| 18:14.44 | yigal | azeem: yes, yes, I'm reading the package great, so it's official :) |
| 18:14.55 | yigal | now :) |
| 18:15.05 | chops | yigal: Experimental is not official |
| 18:15.12 | chops | yigal: Unstable is only barely official :-) |
| 18:15.26 | Lagbolt | can you mdadm -E /dev/sd[ab] |
| 18:15.28 | yigal | chops: not officially supported, but it is in the repos |
| 18:15.29 | azeem | it's official, but not supported |
| 18:15.43 | yigal | yes |
| 18:15.47 | stew | they are both definately official, but you shouldn't be using either unless you know what you are doing without assistance |
| 18:15.51 | MindTheGap | Im planning a home low end storage server using a gigabyte motherboard with 8 sata connectors. since the motherboard manual wont specify the maximum HD size this board will cope with, i wonder, where are the size limits of this setup? Hardware, OS, Both? |
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| 18:16.16 | valdyn | MindTheGap: higher than any disk you can buy |
| 18:16.21 | themill | Wasn't iceweasel3/ff3 supposed to be based on xulrunner? |
| 18:16.24 | yigal | I'm going to use it for personal reasons and at my own risk |
| 18:16.28 | Haris | hmm |
| 18:16.32 | Haris | Hello people |
| 18:16.40 | Haris | what's the mysql-dev package? |
| 18:16.48 | Haris | libmysql? |
| 18:16.48 | yigal | so that sums up my take on iceweasel 3, thanks azeem, you've helped me twice now |
| 18:16.50 | themill | !tell Haris about search |
| 18:17.02 | Christoph_vW | Lagbolt: http://rafb.net/p/Y0RYiy47.html |
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| 18:17.33 | MindTheGap | valdyn, I assume you speak for the Debian OS only, yes? so the limits wuld be bound to hardware only? |
| 18:17.33 | Christoph_vW | ah, I will add the uuid to my mdadm.conf then |
| 18:17.44 | Haris | well, I know that, but dpkg doesn't return anything for search mysql-dev |
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| 18:18.11 | azeem | Haris: dpkg? |
| 18:18.20 | chops | Haris: apt-cache search mysql dev | less |
| 18:18.21 | valdyn | MindTheGap: which limits? you cant buy terabyte sized disks |
| 18:18.28 | themill | Haris: so your search wasn't very good.... if you have a specific file you are looking for, then use apt-file. |
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| 18:18.32 | themill | !tell twobitsp1ite about root |
| 18:18.41 | Lagbolt | yeah try that |
| 18:18.46 | Haris | azeem: The bot |
| 18:18.47 | abrotman | you'd think someone from IBM would know better :) |
| 18:18.58 | MindTheGap | valdyn, I plan to have 6 1TB disks hooked up |
| 18:19.00 | Haris | I'm looking for a package :) |
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| 18:19.07 | Lagbolt | Christoph_vW, if that doesnt work you might be able to reassemble. read this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=410136&highlight=mdadm |
| 18:19.08 | azeem | Haris: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:19.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: scanning doesn't really work, because the device may be there but not discoverable |
| 18:19.12 | valdyn | MindTheGap: thats not much |
| 18:19.18 | twobitsp1ite | yeah, just installed irssi on this sytem, and forgot to log out of root :P |
| 18:19.19 | azeem | Haris: that gives you instructions on how to conduct your search |
| 18:19.31 | prolix | use /part |
| 18:19.36 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: so how would you like to contact it then? :) |
| 18:19.37 | themill | twobitsp1ite: :) That happens. |
| 18:19.52 | twobitsp1ite | anyways, anyone know the filesize or md5 of the netinstall CD for amd64? :) |
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| 18:20.09 | Haris | azeem: Yep, I already know |
| 18:20.23 | twobitsp1ite | the page doesn't have it listed.... |
| 18:20.25 | azeem | Haris: so apply your knowledge |
| 18:20.41 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: well "hcitool name" is one method i found |
| 18:20.49 | MindTheGap | valdyn, so basically you are saying thar regarding to the OS there wont be a problem? good! how about hardware, are there any size limits bond to the lets say chipset or bios of the motherboard? |
| 18:20.59 | Haris | libmysqlclient15-dev - mysql database development files ? |
| 18:21.00 | fronten | cant wait to 8,0 :P so i getting ubunutu 7.10 |
| 18:21.10 | chops | Haris: Looks right to me |
| 18:21.14 | Haris | azeem: That's the first thing I did when I joined the place |
| 18:21.17 | themill | twobitsp1ite: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
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| 18:21.23 | valdyn | MindTheGap: yes, the size imitt goes per disk though |
| 18:21.26 | roe_ | Anyone know when the lightning (iceowl) .8 will be rolled into the repos? |
| 18:21.29 | valdyn | MindTheGap: yes, the size limit goes per disk though |
| 18:21.39 | themill | twobitsp1ite: or the similar location for amd64 |
| 18:21.39 | Haris | !dpkg info libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 18:21.42 | Haris | hmm |
| 18:21.51 | chops | !info libmysqlclient15-dev |
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| 18:22.01 | twobitsp1ite | themill: thanks |
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| 18:22.09 | chops | dpkg: You're slow |
| 18:22.09 | dpkg | No, I'm not slow, I'm just overworked, underpaid, underappreciated and much maligned. Now STOP NAGGING ME!!!! |
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| 18:22.13 | Haris | ah damn syntaxes! |
| 18:22.17 | themill | twobitsp1ite: no worries. There are also SHA1 checksums there. |
| 18:22.18 | dpkg | libmysqlclient15-dev: (MySQL database development files), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 5.0.51a-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7010 kB, Installed size: 20020 kB |
| 18:22.43 | chops | roe_: iceowl is already in testing |
| 18:22.46 | JyZyXEL | . /dev/hdc /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,noauto |
| 18:22.53 | MindTheGap | valdyn, thanks! |
| 18:22.53 | JyZyXEL | don't there need to be like a extra , |
| 18:22.54 | roe_ | chops, .7 is |
| 18:23.00 | JyZyXEL | iso9660,user |
| 18:23.01 | Haris | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 18:23.05 | Christoph_vW | Lagbolt: thanks! it works :) |
| 18:23.07 | roe_ | .8 was released 2 weeks ago |
| 18:23.09 | Haris | -> mysql-common libmysqlclient15-dev libmysqlclient15off |
| 18:23.26 | Lagbolt | Christoph_vW, sweet! |
| 18:23.27 | chops | roe_: You can always file a wishlist bug |
| 18:23.28 | fronten | anyone used autodesk maya in ubuntu? |
| 18:23.34 | stew | JyZyXEL: no, udf/iso are fs types, user,noauto are options |
| 18:23.47 | chops | !tell haris about no public key |
| 18:23.50 | JyZyXEL | ic |
| 18:23.51 | stew | fronten: please direct ubuntu questions to #ubuntu |
| 18:23.58 | xingu | maya got sold to _autodesk_ ? |
| 18:24.02 | xingu | bloody hell |
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| 18:24.15 | xingu | goes off to read how that happened |
| 18:24.20 | twobitsp1ite | too bad there isn't a netinst cd for testing... |
| 18:24.32 | valdyn | MindTheGap: size limit on modern sata controllers is probably 144 petabytes. |
| 18:24.32 | fronten | stew i were asking if someone had experiance about it then |
| 18:24.34 | Haris | aha! |
| 18:24.36 | Haris | damned keys |
| 18:25.06 | stew | fronten: you are in the wrong channel. you question is not on topic for this channel, please ask all ubuntu related questions in #ubuntu, not here. thanks |
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| 18:25.09 | igli | ahh i know what it is chops, it's this IP6 malarkey, i had the same issue with sysresccd |
| 18:25.11 | chops | twobitsp1ite: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 18:25.22 | igli | (new kernel didn't work either) |
| 18:25.23 | chops | igli: What ip6 malarkey? |
| 18:25.25 | fronten | ooh see i forgot sorry |
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| 18:25.32 | fronten | :P i were wrong chzan |
| 18:25.39 | twobitsp1ite | chops: thakns :) |
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| 18:25.46 | chops | twobitsp1ite: Google is useful |
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| 18:25.59 | igli | dunno but i have a load of ip6 things in network settings, and i don't use ip6 (i realise you think this is guff ;) |
| 18:26.02 | JyZyXEL | i cannot seem to be able to read files from CD |
| 18:26.05 | JyZyXEL | i can see the files |
| 18:26.09 | JyZyXEL | i just cannot read whats in them |
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| 18:26.27 | chops | igli: I wouldn't automatically assume that that's the problem; I have plenty of ipv6 things in my network config, and I don't use ipv6, and my network works. |
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| 18:26.58 | igli | well i'm happy to try and track it down as a bug if you want |
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| 18:27.52 | valdyn | ipv6 should slow down many things if you actually have an ipv6 route up that isnt working properly |
| 18:28.08 | igli | but i have IP set statically and it's not liking it |
| 18:28.20 | igli | hmm dunno abt this new router |
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| 18:28.37 | valdyn | debian defaults to having an ipv6<->ipv4 tunnel for that purpose I think |
| 18:28.51 | JyZyXEL | i wonder what is it with this |
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| 18:29.45 | igli | if i simply delete all the ip6 hosts in "network settings" will it be able to get them back later? |
| 18:30.03 | vi390 | is there a safe way to list all partitions on available disks in /dev/?? without using partitioning programms (I mean unmounted Medias) |
| 18:30.16 | themill | vi390: fdisk -l |
| 18:30.36 | igli | that won't do all of em |
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| 18:30.49 | twobitsp1ite | dmesg |
| 18:30.52 | igli | sfdisk is quite good but meant for scripting |
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| 18:32.09 | vi390 | twobitsplite: hmm but I cant expect from somebody who does not know a lot about linux to find the necessary lines in the dmesg output |
| 18:32.23 | vi390 | does fdisk -l list all available ones from dmesg ? |
| 18:32.38 | twobitsp1ite | vi390: well, I thought it was obvious that I was being a smart-ass :P |
| 18:32.41 | stew | vi390: yes |
| 18:32.43 | Lagbolt | vi390, look in /dev/disks |
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| 18:32.51 | igli | sfdisk -s 2>/dev/null |
| 18:33.07 | valdyn | vi390: it lists more than dmesg |
| 18:33.12 | igli | hmm ok, thought fdisk only did first, my bad |
| 18:33.18 | themill | igli: pretty sure fdisk -l has always worked for me... in what situations doesn't it work? |
| 18:33.34 | valdyn | vi390: not really common to have any of those that would be "more" in fdisk though |
| 18:33.43 | igli | i thought it listed partitions in first available fixed disk, themill |
| 18:33.45 | stew | igli: 'fdisk -l' reads the partition table for all disks containing known partitions (from /proc/partitions) |
| 18:33.50 | igli | ah ok |
| 18:33.51 | vi390 | well I try sfdisk -l first, seems to have everything at least on my system :-) |
| 18:34.08 | vi390 | stew: aah ok, exactly what I need |
| 18:34.20 | vi390 | thanks |
| 18:34.34 | themill | vi390: fdisk -l will mention partitions that are used as part of an lvm setup while sfdisk -s won't. |
| 18:35.20 | vi390 | themill: ok thanks , just saw, that fdisk -l also lists not available ones |
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| 18:37.30 | chtp | hi folks. how to partition a new hdd _non_ interactive using a script? i only need one ext3 partition on my hdd but wanna partition it via script. |
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| 18:37.49 | valdyn | chtp: sfdisk |
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| 18:38.19 | danychouinard | I'm not sure how off-topic I am, but I need to exclude a folder from my find command, somehow it is not as obious that would have expected |
| 18:38.19 | themill | Anyone else feel like we're doing a recently set class assignment on partitioning? |
| 18:38.44 | vi390 | *g oh shit seems I startet the subject :-) |
| 18:38.56 | yigal | \quit |
| 18:38.57 | chtp | valdyn: sfdisk needs a dump of a partition table. i only need one simple partition for whole disk |
| 18:39.04 | yigal | oops wrong way :) |
| 18:39.06 | chops | danychouinard: find / -name dev -prune -type f -print |
| 18:39.13 | zyx386 | hi i will install this software on Lenny, but bcome this error http://pastebin.com/m13837601?? what is wrong? |
| 18:39.14 | chops | danychouinard: Will print all files in / except for those in /dev |
| 18:39.15 | abrotman | danychouinard: the man page talks about this .. but it's not quite straightforward IIRC |
| 18:39.21 | valdyn | chtp: thats a simple dump, duh |
| 18:39.35 | chops | zyx386: Looks like that software's designed for Ubuntu, not Debian |
| 18:39.38 | abrotman | zyx386: aptitude -f install |
| 18:39.58 | danychouinard | chops: I read about the prune in web page and MAN, but still, i don't get it. |
| 18:40.36 | chops | danychouinard: Er... actually, there was a mistake in what I typed to you. It should have been: find / -name dev -prune -o -type f -print |
| 18:40.42 | igli | danychouinard: /msg greybot find |
| 18:40.50 | abrotman | what is greybot? |
| 18:40.58 | abrotman | oh .. greycat's bot |
| 18:40.59 | igli | the bot for #bash |
| 18:41.02 | themill | abrotman: it's greycat's bot from #bash |
| 18:41.21 | zyx386 | chops, abrotman thanx, but is alternative in debian, ihave huawei e220 usb modem to connect |
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| 18:41.48 | chops | zyx386: You can try what abrotman recommended and see if it starts working |
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| 18:41.53 | danychouinard | chops: -o is a or statement. but look like it need something on the right, wich confuse me |
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| 18:42.03 | chops | zyx386: What do you mean "is alternative in debian"? |
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| 18:42.08 | rcatwood | quick hint how to use my own build libjack without having to remove all pakgages that use jack? |
| 18:42.19 | danychouinard | chops: i'll get my original find command as an example |
| 18:42.30 | chops | danychouinard: Right, so for each file, either it's called "dev", in which case stop processing, otherwise see if it's a normal file and print it if it is |
| 18:42.33 | chops | danychouinard: Does that make sense? |
| 18:42.38 | valdyn | rcatwood: build your own debian package. |
| 18:42.50 | zyx386 | chops, what is abrotman alternative? |
| 18:42.58 | chops | zyx386: apt-get -f install |
| 18:43.05 | chops | zyx386: Er aptitude -f install |
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| 18:43.29 | rcatwood | hmmm. ok , is there a good tut I can learn very quicly hwoto do that? |
| 18:43.33 | chops | zyx386: I still maintain that that looks like an Ubuntu package and installing it on your Debian system may not work well. |
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| 18:43.48 | abrotman | chops: i agree .. but it might work if the depends are generic enough |
| 18:43.50 | SerajewelKS | how can i forcible terminate one connection on my box? i'm testing the behavior of a program when it loses a connection to its server. |
| 18:43.54 | SerajewelKS | forcibly* |
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| 18:44.17 | igli | is there a way i can disable ip6 to test if that's the issue? |
| 18:44.21 | zyx386 | chops, thanx but wich software can using for my 3g under debian? |
| 18:44.21 | danychouinard | chops: I have "find myvserver -xdev |cpio -ov -H crc | gzip > myvserver.cpio.gz" that I've been using for some time. BUt now I just want to exclude the /var/lib/vservser/myvserver/home folders |
| 18:44.27 | chops | abrotman: Or it might not work at all, even on Ubuntu. My experience with third-party binary drivers in Debian is rather unsatisfying so far. |
| 18:44.31 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: use iptables? |
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| 18:45.21 | larsemil | how do i change the look on kde-programs when running them in gnome? |
| 18:45.34 | danychouinard | chops: so i would have guess : find /var/lib/vservser/myvserver -name home -prune -o |
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| 18:45.48 | abrotman | chops: yes, well .. tough? :) |
| 18:45.52 | danychouinard | chops: but i am missing ")" ... |
| 18:46.12 | agnitio | does anyone know where NetworkManager keeps it's init-scripts in etch? in lenny I know there is a /etc/init.d/NetworkManager, however, there is not in etch, where is it started? |
| 18:46.20 | chops | danychouinard: Better find myvserver -xdev -wholename myvserver/home -prune -o -print |
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| 18:46.33 | chops | abrotman: Don't look at me. _I_ didn't buy the hardware. :-) |
| 18:47.16 | danychouinard | chops: I'll study that, thanks for the help |
| 18:47.24 | chops | danychouinard: np, let me know how it works out |
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| 18:48.02 | abrotman | chops: you made it! |
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| 18:48.10 | Haris | hmm |
| 18:48.10 | chops | zyx386: I'm not sure what software to use, sorry. I'm just saying that the way you're currently proceeding looks problematic to me. |
| 18:48.37 | Haris | its just [Waiting for headers], won't go ahead. I'm trying to install libsnmp9-dev |
| 18:49.09 | zyx386 | chops, thanx, i wiki said this software worked under debian etch and lenny to :( |
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| 18:49.22 | chops | zyx386: Which wiki? |
| 18:49.34 | chops | zyx386: Something that depends on python >= 2.5 certainly won't work on etch |
| 18:49.44 | abrotman | etch has python2.5 |
| 18:49.54 | abrotman | !info python2.5 etch |
| 18:49.56 | zyx386 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei_E220 |
| 18:50.04 | chops | abrotman: Right, but the package he's installing depends on the python package, version >= 2.5 |
| 18:50.11 | abrotman | zyx386: did you try `aptitude -f install` ? |
| 18:50.24 | zyx386 | yes |
| 18:50.32 | dpkg | python2.5: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.5-5 (etch), Packaged size: 3364 kB, Installed size: 12196 kB |
| 18:50.41 | abrotman | zyx386: and what happened? |
| 18:50.54 | zyx386 | nothing |
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| 18:51.03 | abrotman | nothing? |
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| 18:51.28 | Haris | Hit http://ftp.us.debian.org etch/non-free Packages |
| 18:51.28 | Haris | 99% [Waiting for headers] |
| 18:51.41 | zyx386 | yes nothing abrotman |
| 18:51.49 | chops | zyx386: How did you go from "E220 works well with Linux, as support for it was added in Linux kernel 2.6.20, but there are workarounds for distributions with older kernels[2][3][4] (eg for Debian etch's 2.6.18). The card is also supported by Vodafone Mobile Connect Card driver for Linux" to "the Vodafone Mobile Connect Card driver for Linux Ubuntu binaries work on Debian etch"? |
| 18:51.58 | Haris | Connection failed |
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| 18:52.08 | JyZyXEL | hey why can't i read from my CD:s |
| 18:52.13 | JyZyXEL | i can only see the file names |
| 18:52.17 | JyZyXEL | but the files are all empty |
| 18:52.18 | zyx386 | chops, but i have the news kernel and lenny |
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| 18:52.30 | chops | zyx386: It sounds from that like you shouldn't need the third-party driver if you've got the lenny kernel |
| 18:52.45 | chops | zyx386: (Sorry, by "work on Debian etch" I meant "work on Debian lenny") |
| 18:52.46 | zyx386 | ! |
| 18:52.52 | zyx386 | eha |
| 18:53.12 | rcatwood | aargh |
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| 18:53.27 | igli | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.40 | rcatwood | the jackd package in the debian is spit into a bunch of packages, it is not so easy. |
| 18:53.44 | Haris | I'm only getting 40 KB/s off of ftp.us.debian.org. Is that the best it does? |
| 18:53.45 | zyx386 | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m4a82e7a3 |
| 18:53.55 | chops | Haris: Use netselect to find a good mirror |
| 18:54.17 | chops | zyx386: Yes, a package that depends on python >= 2.5 will not work on lenny at this point in time. |
| 18:54.18 | abrotman | that doesn't make sense |
| 18:54.27 | chops | !info python lenny |
| 18:54.32 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.4.4-6 (lenny), Packaged size: 137 kB, Installed size: 600 kB |
| 18:54.42 | abrotman | that's a metapackage |
| 18:54.52 | chops | abrotman: It's an Ubuntu package |
| 18:54.54 | abrotman | something is wrong with his sources i think |
| 18:55.08 | abrotman | chops: but the depends don't state that it depends on an ubuntu version of anything |
| 18:55.18 | zyx386 | abrotman, wich source? |
| 18:55.23 | chops | abrotman: Except for the python metapackage :-) |
| 18:55.25 | rcatwood | How do Iget rid of package libjack0 without trashing all thigns that use jack? they will work with my built version or if not the that's my problem. |
| 18:55.43 | abrotman | zyx386: paste the output of `dpkg -I /home/manu/Desktop/vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux_2.0.beta1_i386.deb` |
| 18:55.50 | zyx386 | how can i upgrade to python2.5 |
| 18:55.51 | chops | abrotman: Also if you track down the source package via his wiki link, you'll see references to Ubuntu release names |
| 18:56.31 | chops | zyx386: I don't think you want that package. I don't think you want to install Ubuntu-intended packages on a Debian system even if you can persuade its dependencies to satisfy |
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| 18:56.48 | chops | zyx386: The wiki link you sent implies that that hardware works on lenny without that package installed. |
| 18:56.55 | igli | ah silly me, stfw |
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| 18:58.02 | zyx386 | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m2fce6e5e |
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| 18:59.27 | omry | installed a new sata drive (connected via a sata controller card) and all the drives changed names. my old sda is now sdc. is there a way to force the kernel to use the old names? |
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| 19:00.10 | stew | omry: yes, but not an easy one. a better way is to refer to your partitions by uuid (which won't change for the life of the partition) instead of device names |
| 19:00.15 | bipolar | has anyone found a way to pool all the extra disk space on workstations together to be used as a network files system? The closest thing I've found (and used) is DRBD, but I don't think it's meant to handle something this widely distributed. |
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| 19:00.21 | Doug52392 | Hi |
| 19:00.33 | chops | bipolar: That sounds like a quite failure-prone system |
| 19:00.35 | danychouinard | chops: The find command worked well. I had to use the full path for the -wholename. This really helped me to understand how it works. thanks again. |
| 19:00.40 | chops | danychouinard: np |
| 19:00.47 | zyx386 | chops, look the paste |
| 19:00.48 | chops | bipolar: You could use LVM+NBD |
| 19:00.55 | chops | zyx386: I saw the paste |
| 19:00.56 | omry | stew, that will also work for grub boot menu (root parameter)? |
| 19:01.05 | bipolar | chops: well, obviously a lot of the disks would have to be redundant. |
| 19:01.07 | chops | zyx386: Especially the part that says "Section: multiverse/net" |
| 19:01.09 | keith4 | bipolar: AFS? |
| 19:01.23 | zyx386 | !? |
| 19:01.24 | chops | bipolar: You can do that with LVM+NBD... I still don't think it's a good idea |
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| 19:01.27 | bipolar | keith4: I havent heard of AFS... I'll google it. |
| 19:01.31 | abrotman | chops: yes it is an ubuntupackage |
| 19:01.47 | bipolar | chops: I wouldn't want to use it for anything mission critical, thats for sure. |
| 19:01.48 | stew | omry: instead of "root=/dev/sda1" use something like "root=UUID=12341231231" you can learn the UUID by looking at "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" |
| 19:01.51 | Younix | can any of you suggest a lightweight P2P client that'd run smoothly on 64MB of RAM..gtk-gnutella worked last but psht, i can't get it intalled |
| 19:02.05 | stew | omry: and the same works for fstab |
| 19:02.16 | omry | stew, yeah, I seen it now. so it's just symlinks created automatically? |
| 19:02.19 | zyx386 | abrotman, it well be not installed on lenny? |
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| 19:02.25 | omry | that's cool , when was this introduced? |
| 19:02.35 | keith4 | before I waste time looking for a way to do it, is it possible to boot a diskless debian system off of another debian system? |
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| 19:02.50 | azeem | keith4: netboot |
| 19:02.58 | omry | stew, strangely, my sdc drive is not there. |
| 19:02.59 | chops | keith4: It is possible (PXE/netboot/nfsroot); it's a bit difficult |
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| 19:03.09 | stew | omry: is sdc partitioned? |
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| 19:03.20 | omry | stew, my bad. I am on the wrong computer. |
| 19:03.34 | Doug52392 | I'm new to Debian; the other Linux distro I was using, I used the Postfix e-mail server. Is there a better e-mail server than Postfix for Debian>? |
| 19:03.38 | keith4 | chops: well, i've been using PXE/tftp/netinstall for years... just never did a net*boot* |
| 19:03.43 | elegle | hi i am using this notebook with synaptics touchpad and I have also connected usb mouse.. but after hibernate my mouse does not work |
| 19:03.51 | hunterp | is there a way I can scp links over the wire without transferring the actual content. eg should i choose hardlinks or symbolic ones |
| 19:03.59 | igli | grr that didn't do it either. |
| 19:04.01 | elegle | so how do i make system to autodetect it w/o rebooting? |
| 19:04.13 | bipolar | Doug52392: I use postfix |
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| 19:04.22 | keith4 | hunterp: hard links cannot span filesystems |
| 19:04.33 | hunterp | keith4: symbolic ? |
| 19:04.39 | rcatwood | I dont get it, cant I force remove ignoring deps? |
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| 19:04.41 | Younix | im going to kill you all if you don't tell me a good p2p client that's lightweight |
| 19:04.53 | Younix | and will run easily on 64MB of RAM |
| 19:04.57 | igli | shoots Younix in the head |
| 19:05.01 | Younix | dies |
| 19:05.03 | igli | sry not in the mood ;) |
| 19:05.07 | igli | hehe |
| 19:05.14 | angasule | Younix: umh, zmodem? |
| 19:05.21 | Younix | ya? |
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| 19:05.26 | bipolar | sneakernet |
| 19:05.36 | JyZyXEL | lol god damn |
| 19:05.42 | JyZyXEL | why can't i read the CD |
| 19:05.42 | Younix | sneakernet? |
| 19:05.47 | pgpkeys | plants motion activated sensors connected to 40 lb cratering charges all around Younix |
| 19:05.51 | JyZyXEL | seriosly i don't wanna spend this many hours |
| 19:05.56 | angasule | Younix: sneaker = sport shoe :) |
| 19:06.01 | bipolar | Younix: yeah! sneakernet it very reliable. |
| 19:06.07 | igli | JyZyXEL: nor do i man, that's just the way it goes |
| 19:06.10 | Younix | are you kidding me |
| 19:06.28 | Younix | no apt-cache search results for zmodem or sneakernet |
| 19:06.32 | igli | lmao |
| 19:06.34 | bipolar | Younix: google it |
| 19:06.34 | Doug52392 | lures phpkeys right in front of the charges he planted |
| 19:06.35 | angasule | Younix: there are plenty of bittorrent clients |
| 19:06.45 | igli | sneakernet==cd/dvd Younix |
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| 19:06.47 | Younix | wait a second |
| 19:06.53 | Younix | angasule: i don't want to use torrents |
| 19:06.58 | pgpkeys | hehe, not gonna happen. *I* have the field plans |
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| 19:07.29 | Doug52392 | steals the field plans |
| 19:07.32 | rcatwood | well thanks for all th help :-( |
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| 19:07.34 | Younix | angasule: i used gtk-gnutella before and it worked great..i can't seem to get it install now |
| 19:07.35 | pgpkeys | shall I start launching RDX vials at you with a slingshot? |
| 19:07.37 | Younix | installed* |
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| 19:08.23 | keith4 | Younix: limewire! |
| 19:08.43 | Younix | keith4: right |
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| 19:08.55 | chops | Younix: What's the problem you have installing it now? |
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| 19:09.20 | Younix | chops: im trying to build it from source, and i get "msgsfmt" unknown command..but even if i fix that, im sure there will be other dependeny issues |
| 19:09.27 | josefassad | wow, gnutella. Better hide that binary or last century might come looking for it |
| 19:09.27 | Younix | depenency* |
| 19:09.35 | josefassad | :) |
| 19:09.37 | chops | Younix: Why are you installing it from source? Are you running etch and not finding it in the repo? |
| 19:09.38 | rawb | hm |
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| 19:09.49 | Younix | chops: yes |
| 19:09.49 | abrotman | chops: gtk-gnutella was removed from etch |
| 19:10.00 | chops | Younix: Better to do a simple sid backport (/msg dpkg ssb) than to try to compile it by hand |
| 19:10.07 | Younix | bahhh |
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| 19:10.30 | Younix | First: See if the package has already been backported. <-- never got past that step |
| 19:10.45 | omry | stew, swap partition also supposed to have a uuid? |
| 19:11.09 | chops | Younix: Well, then, try that step :-) |
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| 19:11.19 | Younix | i don't know what to do |
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| 19:11.27 | stew | omry: i'm not sure |
| 19:11.55 | omry | stew, fdisk shows me sdc1 is swap, but it's not in disk/by-uuid |
| 19:12.03 | chops | Younix: Go to http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=packages, type in 'gtk-gnutella', find that there isn't an existing backport, and go on the next step |
| 19:12.09 | chops | Younix: :-) |
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| 19:12.35 | Younix | i'll kill myself right now |
| 19:12.47 | keith4 | don't tease us like that |
| 19:12.53 | Younix | D: |
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| 19:13.00 | igli | well disabled IP6 that didn't help either (just got a different type of timeout msg). how do i get info for bug-report, chops? |
| 19:13.42 | chops | igli: I would just file a bug against linux-2.6 using reportbug, and describe your hardware and the fact that it isn't working (and exactly how it's malfunctioning). |
| 19:13.46 | igli | hmm could try that netinst disk but i don't think it'll work somehow |
| 19:13.56 | chops | igli: Listing the exact distributions including version numbers that _do_ work will be very helpful |
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| 19:14.21 | igli | chops: ok. reportbug will need network tho? |
| 19:14.39 | Younix | add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list <--- not familiar with "SID LINES" |
| 19:14.42 | chops | igli: You can give an argument to write the report to a text file, and then you can send the text file via email to submit@bugs.debian.org |
| 19:14.54 | chops | igli: Or you can boot a liveCD and chroot to your real system as discussed earlier |
| 19:14.54 | igli | ok will do |
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| 19:15.05 | igli | ahh that i can do |
| 19:15.06 | keith4 | Younix: if you don't know how to add a deb-src line for sid, you're probably not qualified to build it from source |
| 19:15.06 | piko | Hi, I have strange problem in the instalation of gdm, I am not able to install it with error saying that gdm can not be downloaded, I did aptitude update but it did not help. |
| 19:15.15 | Younix | keith4: lol? sure |
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| 19:15.22 | Younix | i'm not used to using "apt-get" |
| 19:15.25 | piko | cOuld anyone help? |
| 19:15.27 | Younix | i 'always' built from source on slackware |
| 19:15.31 | Younix | never used "package managers" |
| 19:15.35 | keith4 | are you sure you're using debian? |
| 19:15.38 | Younix | im sure |
| 19:16.03 | keith4 | i guess you must be patient, always building from source on a machine with 64M of ram |
| 19:16.08 | Younix | nope |
| 19:16.10 | chops | Younix: Well, you were the one that was having trouble compiling from source :-). Using the package management tools is easier in the long run than compiling by hand. |
| 19:16.15 | Younix | i've only had this machine for about two months |
| 19:16.15 | chops | Younix: |
| 19:16.21 | omry | anyone knows how to give a swap partition a uuid or label? |
| 19:16.25 | piko | Younix: perhaps you may rebuild all packages, but it will be painfull I suppose and you will have to cope with apt |
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| 19:16.29 | bparks | in other news, slackware has a package manager |
| 19:16.36 | Younix | really! had no idea |
| 19:16.37 | Younix | i didn't use it |
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| 19:16.38 | chops | Younix: Read the man page for sources.list and edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:16.41 | jelly-home | omry: you can give it a label when doing mkswap |
| 19:16.57 | chops | Younix: These are only suggestions -- if you'd rather deal with the dependencies and compile by hand, that's fine too. |
| 19:16.59 | omry | jelly-home, checking it out, thanks. |
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| 19:17.37 | jelly-home | omry: anyway, does blkid not return an uuid for that partition? |
| 19:17.59 | jelly-home | /dev/sda5: TYPE="swap" LABEL="swap" UUID="85bfc197-9839-4ba6-914d-ef758a2901d4" |
| 19:18.00 | omry | jelly-home, # blkid /dev/sdc1 |
| 19:18.01 | omry | /dev/sdc1: TYPE="swap" |
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| 19:18.26 | jelly-home | omry: I must have newer e2fsprogs, running testing here |
| 19:18.45 | omry | jelly, I remade the swap with mkswap and now it does have it |
| 19:18.46 | muzzio | Hi, Do someone know any software do implement services like sourceforge? |
| 19:19.00 | stew | muzzio: gforge |
| 19:19.00 | abrotman | savannah maybe? |
| 19:19.06 | omry | I made it a few years ago, this explains it. |
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| 19:19.20 | Younix | would this be one, chops? deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 19:19.28 | devsforev | Good afternoon everyone. The hard drive with my /home partition died the other afternoon. Now I need to recreate those users home directories. Is there any command I need to run to do this, or just mkdir /home/<user> and chown <user>:users /home/<user>? |
| 19:19.28 | chops | Younix: Looks right to me |
| 19:19.32 | stew | muzzio: gforge is what debian uses for http://alioth.debian.org/ |
| 19:19.33 | jelly-home | omry: yeah, it's too bad the installer doesn't create it that way |
| 19:19.46 | omry | jelly-home, the /dev/disk/by-uuid will reflect the new uuid on boot? |
| 19:19.49 | keith4 | devsforev: look at /etc/skel |
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| 19:20.03 | omry | jelly-home, it's probably does. I just did mkswap /dev/sdc1 and it gave it a uuid. |
| 19:20.04 | muzzio | stew: whith gforge can I create my own "sourceforge" repository |
| 19:20.07 | muzzio | ? |
| 19:20.30 | abrotman | oh .. savannah runs on something called Savane ? |
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| 19:20.39 | omry | jelly-home, this partition was originally created about by sarge setup. |
| 19:20.41 | devsforev | keith4: There are 3 files in there, all .bash* Just copy them over and change ownership to that user? |
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| 19:20.58 | stew | muzzio: gforge is software that is much like the software that run sourceforge, |
| 19:21.17 | muzzio | stew: ok, thank you so much! |
| 19:21.31 | jelly-home | omry: well, my swap part. is linked in .../by-uuid/, so I guess it works |
| 19:22.28 | omry | jelly-home, yeah. I am setting everything up in fstab and menu.lst and checking |
| 19:22.29 | bparks | devsforev: cp -rpv /etc/skel /home/<user> (i think i got the options right) and then chown -R <user>:users /home/<user> |
| 19:22.43 | devsforev | bparks: thanks a bunch! |
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| 19:24.01 | paxcoder | ok, my turn :-) |
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| 19:24.11 | paxcoder | i have a non distro specific question, is that ok? |
| 19:24.18 | shingara | Hi |
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| 19:24.27 | ph8 | hey all! On my debian install i try to mysql -h localhost and it says it can't find the mysql sock at /tmp/mysql.sock! It's at /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock - why's the client looking there? Can anyone tell me how to change it? |
| 19:24.27 | paxcoder | yello |
| 19:24.31 | shingara | I want use \definecolor in latex |
| 19:24.46 | shingara | but there are no that in tetex in debian |
| 19:24.53 | shingara | you know what package use ? |
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| 19:25.14 | hcy | my apt-get (both with "update" and with "install blah") it's getting stuck at "0% [Waiting for headers]". Is the server down or something? |
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| 19:25.43 | abrotman | shingara: latex? texlive? |
| 19:25.49 | shingara | latex |
| 19:25.51 | bparks | hcy: what server is apt-get using |
| 19:25.53 | shingara | it's with beamer |
| 19:26.00 | jelly-home | paxcoder: um, just ask. try to be specific and complete. |
| 19:26.09 | larsemil | when i start my lenny it starts fine. allthoug it does not load my font-settings until i open up the theme-manager |
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| 19:27.30 | paxcoder | jelly-home: thanks. so, i want to forward a mail, without Fwd: (so, remove it first) in title each time i get one from a specific address, but also, i need to get an email where to forward it to. so, let's say that's in the header. |
| 19:27.35 | johndbritton | ~list-notes |
| 19:27.36 | drwahl | i am reading up on Openbox and it looks pretty impressive, does anyone have any experience using it that can offer a little more insight? |
| 19:27.43 | hcy | bparks: debian.co.il |
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| 19:28.00 | abrotman | johndbritton: stop doing that |
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| 19:28.04 | zmitya | hi all |
| 19:28.15 | paxcoder | in other words: if i get an email from x@x.x with subject "<y@y.y>" i want to forward it without "Fwd:" to y@y.y |
| 19:28.19 | bparks | hcy: it's not responding to a ping, so maybe |
| 19:28.21 | chops | paxcoder: What mail client are you using? |
| 19:28.32 | hcy | bparks: can you give me another one to try? |
| 19:28.36 | zmitya | guys, I'm planning that I will use an RBL list, because of the unacceptable volume of spams now |
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| 19:28.43 | johndbritton | abrotman: sorry, wrong window... I've got to change it from making #debian the default |
| 19:28.49 | abrotman | good plan |
| 19:28.55 | zmitya | csna sy recommend a good , reliable rbl list ? |
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| 19:29.06 | zmitya | *csan = can :) |
| 19:29.08 | bparks | hcy: there are potentially hundreds...any i'd suggest would probably not be anywhere near where you are |
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| 19:29.25 | paxcoder | chops: i use preinstalled "mail" from terminal. i was hoping it does that each time i get mail, like those things with forwarding to other adresses |
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| 19:29.42 | hcy | bparks: my browser stopped working, i need to re-apt-get it. so i can't google for one myself. i'm in israel... maybe give me one in germany or something to use for now |
| 19:29.45 | paxcoder | chops: forwarding to adresses in .forward, or something like that from /home/x/ |
| 19:29.59 | paxcoder | i don't know if you know that... |
| 19:30.30 | chops | paxcoder: procmail is probably the best solution |
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| 19:30.53 | paxcoder | chops: can it parse subject and do stuff like that? |
| 19:30.55 | chops | paxcoder: Install the procmail package, make a .procmailrc package in your local directory, and prepare to make a lot of mistakes and have your mail directed to a lot of wierd places |
| 19:30.58 | chops | paxcoder: It can |
| 19:31.04 | chops | paxcoder: procmail is very powerful |
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| 19:31.10 | chops | paxcoder: Hence the mistakes :-) |
| 19:31.18 | paxcoder | chops: thx. will try. |
| 19:31.24 | chops | paxcoder: Good lock |
| 19:31.24 | chops | *luck |
| 19:31.37 | paxcoder | hehe, thx. bye |
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| 19:32.15 | leafwiz | Hi, can LVM function as good as md0 at RAID 5 ? |
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| 19:32.25 | hcy | bparks: can you give me the one you use? |
| 19:32.31 | ZOP | Does anyone ahve a pointer for a howto/what is needed for a Debian Driver Diskette that the installer can use? |
| 19:32.46 | bparks | hcy: there are two others in Israel: mirror.inter.net.il and mirror.isoc.org.il |
| 19:32.54 | hcy | bparks: thanks |
| 19:32.55 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 19:32.55 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 19:33.34 | bony | has any one tried ext3grep? i am unable to understand the dtime which is to specify the time date. |
| 19:33.49 | bparks | hcy: i personally use just ftp.debian.org |
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| 19:34.04 | bparks | hcy: no problem |
| 19:34.06 | bony | ext3grep |
| 19:34.07 | bony | dev_md0.img --histogram=dtime --after=1206406860 -- before=1206406900 |
| 19:34.13 | hcy | bparks: thanks |
| 19:34.28 | bony | in the above command i don't understand how the --after=$time is given |
| 19:34.46 | bony | it actually means Tue Mar 25 01:01:00 2008 |
| 19:35.08 | bony | but how to give a time or date in that pattern? |
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| 19:36.28 | themill | bony: it's seconds since epoch (at a guess). man date; for example: date '+%s' |
| 19:37.27 | bony | themill, i checked man date but didn't get any such pattern may be i need to do a deep search in the man page |
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| 19:38.55 | themill | bony: check the example I gave you. It's a pretty standard way of representing time, it's just not very human readable. It's seconds since 1 Jan 1970. |
| 19:38.56 | bony | themill, ok |
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| 19:39.04 | bony | themill, yeah you are right its in this pattern |
| 19:39.15 | bony | themill, i will look into the format |
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| 19:40.02 | Younix | w/c |
| 19:40.04 | Younix | err |
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| 19:40.12 | themill | bony: date -d "Tue Mar 25 01:01:00 2008" '+%s' |
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| 19:41.00 | suppaman | I'm using lenny and a hand-made lilo.conf, how can I switch to system-managed bootloader config? |
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| 19:42.21 | bony | themill, ok got it so this is how i can give my desired date and time. thanks a lot |
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| 19:43.12 | fabien | Hi, do I need to be a debian dev to package some orphaned packages for Debian ? |
| 19:43.22 | themill | bony: no worries. Have fun. |
| 19:43.33 | bony | :-) |
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| 19:44.10 | abrotman | !tell fabien about mentors |
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| 19:44.31 | abrotman | fabien: not strictly .. you just have to find someone to upload them for you |
| 19:44.35 | talexb | I'm trying to find out what the prerm and postinst scripts are for a deb that I have .. I have used dpkg -x to unpack the deb, but that doesn't show the control bits. |
| 19:45.08 | themill | fabien: no. "/msg dpkg nmg" for information about picking up orphaned packages and come and ask us questions in #debian-mentors on oftc. |
| 19:45.11 | talexb | Is there a dpkg command that will show the control bits? |
| 19:45.23 | abrotman | talexb: the scripts? not that i know of .. |
| 19:45.29 | talexb | :( |
| 19:45.34 | abrotman | talexb: when you -x the .deb .. do you get a .tar.gz ? |
| 19:46.13 | talexb | abrotman No, I get all of the files, unpacked into a directory tree. |
| 19:46.46 | abrotman | talexb: is there a var/lib/dpkg/info/ ? |
| 19:46.47 | talexb | According to man 5 deb, there's a control slice and a data slivce .. so dpkg -x only extracts the data slice. |
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| 19:47.05 | abrotman | talexb: then `ar x file.deb` .. then tar -zxf control.tar.gz |
| 19:47.15 | blubberdiblub | talexb: man dpkg-deb |
| 19:47.42 | talexb | abrotman, Oh, cool -- didn't realize it was that simple |
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| 19:48.07 | abrotman | talexb: or look at dpkg-deb like blubberdiblub said .. sadly i got in the lazy habit of doing the ar x thing |
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| 19:48.38 | talexb | OK, I'll try that out .. thanks much. |
| 19:48.51 | anparks | do the kernel-patch packages patch the kernel automatically? if not, what do i have to do to apply the patches? |
| 19:49.14 | chops | anparks: Use make-kpkg |
| 19:49.33 | anparks | ok thanks |
| 19:49.37 | talexb | Feh, dpkg-deb -e .. how easy is that. |
| 19:49.51 | stew | talexb: dpkg -x extracts data, dpkg -e extracts control |
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| 19:51.06 | talexb | stew !! Must have missed that part of the man page. |
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| 19:52.04 | talexb | stew OK -- -e is listed in the argument choices at the top of the man page, but it isn't explained (that I can see) lower down. |
| 19:52.39 | talexb | OK, it's there under dpkg-deb-actions .. |
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| 19:53.06 | talexb | This has been a crash course in dpkg after using rpm (RH9) and then yum (F7). |
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| 19:54.58 | chops | talexb: Aren't different UIs for the same action fun? :-/ |
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| 19:56.13 | invisiblepinkuni | msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 19:56.30 | invisiblepinkuni | dpkg guidelines |
| 19:56.30 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
| 19:56.37 | mofino | hey, how do I fix this broken display of man pages? |
| 19:56.47 | mofino | I'm guessing question marks instead of quotes |
| 19:56.53 | mofino | s/guessing/getting/ |
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| 19:58.22 | paxcoder | mofino: resize terminal window horizontally |
| 19:58.30 | invisiblepinkuni | if I want to install a server, is it better to use debian? I have less experience with commandline. I use ubuntu normally. |
| 19:58.31 | mofino | paxcoder, heh |
| 19:58.39 | mofino | paxcoder, how about a real solution |
| 19:59.04 | paxcoder | mofino: no offense, but then I don't know what you're talking about |
| 19:59.16 | mofino | paxcoder, yeah, it's hard to explain |
| 19:59.23 | paxcoder | mofino: try |
| 19:59.28 | abrotman | invisiblepinkuni: tha'ts up to you to decide, but in this channel most prefer debian |
| 19:59.31 | twobitsp1ite | mofino: sounds like either an encoding problem or a font problem |
| 19:59.44 | vaenilicious | can someone help to get swedish layout on my keyboard. I can't use "ALTGR" and the last letters in the swedish alfabet |
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| 19:59.47 | themill | mofino: bad characters usually means either wrong choice of font or encoding, or sometimes a bad man page. |
| 19:59.50 | mofino | I run man on etch, coming from ksonsole on unstable, and the man pages always end up malformed on display |
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| 19:59.52 | invisiblepinkuni | I need some help with installing a server with SSH. in CHROOT |
| 19:59.53 | abrotman | !keymap |
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| 19:59.54 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". If you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about <drxx>, or in console you can also use loadkeys (for once-only/temporary adjustment). |
| 20:00.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | mofino, what manpages? |
| 20:00.03 | themill | mofino: do you have a particular example that we can lool at? |
| 20:00.04 | mofino | any |
| 20:00.08 | anparks | ive used both and found debian to be more stable, which i think is something you definitely want in running a server |
| 20:00.08 | mofino | all of them |
| 20:00.11 | invisiblepinkuni | abrotman: thanks.... |
| 20:00.14 | mofino | All quotes are '?' |
| 20:00.17 | paxcoder | themill: that we can lol at? :-D |
| 20:00.25 | mofino | I'm not sure how to fix something like this |
| 20:00.27 | themill | !lart paxcoder |
| 20:00.27 | dpkg | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that paxcoder is stuck to the floor |
| 20:00.33 | twobitsp1ite | invisiblepinkuni: google for debootstrap |
| 20:00.40 | themill | mofino: try LANG=C man somethingorotherthatdoesn'twork |
| 20:00.49 | paxcoder | aaaaaa |
| 20:00.51 | mofino | ahh good idea. |
| 20:01.04 | macafe | How I can to use one host located in /etc/hosts in configuration of samba used in /etc/fstab? |
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| 20:01.14 | mofino | FIXED! |
| 20:01.21 | mofino | ahh finally |
| 20:01.22 | mofino | FINALLY |
| 20:01.28 | vaenilicious | doesnt work |
| 20:01.48 | macafe | Example: This works... //10.1.1.2/backup , but this not works //lm-win/backup and I have this in my hosts |
| 20:01.49 | mofino | thanks themill, that is good enough for me |
| 20:01.50 | invisiblepinkuni | twobitsp1ite: thanks again... |
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| 20:02.26 | themill | mofino: OK, so that fixes it temporarily by turning off the fancy quotes. What's your ....... bah |
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| 20:03.11 | twobitsp1ite | themill: he'll be back when he realizes that its a temporary fix |
| 20:03.20 | themill | :( |
| 20:03.42 | twobitsp1ite | heh |
| 20:05.04 | abrotman | or he won't care enough |
| 20:05.24 | paxcoder | abortman: he will, he'll just think we're all useless. |
| 20:05.30 | paxcoder | which is true for me :-) |
| 20:05.38 | abrotman | paxcoder: at least we showered today! |
| 20:06.07 | jelly-home | abrotman: speak for yourself |
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| 20:06.18 | abrotman | jelly-home: damn it .. that's what you're supposed to do on sundays! |
| 20:06.21 | paxcoder | abortman: did we? i don't remember. my refresh rate is high, and i discard all the data i don't need |
| 20:06.30 | abrotman | abrotman ? |
| 20:06.44 | paxcoder | abrotman: what about him? |
| 20:06.45 | vaenilicious | abrotman: it comes a error message |
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| 20:07.19 | crumblenaut | how can i debug a package thats failing to install with apt? specifically, apt-proxy |
| 20:07.25 | crumblenaut | ive tried purging and reinstalling but its having none of it |
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| 20:07.31 | abrotman | vaenilicious: who what? |
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| 20:07.38 | abrotman | crumblenaut: show us the error |
| 20:07.40 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:07.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 20:07.40 | themill | crumblenaut: can you pastebin the output of an installation attempt? |
| 20:07.46 | abrotman | paxcoder: i meant that you misspelled my nick |
| 20:07.58 | paxcoder | abrotman: jk. what does abrotman mean anyway? |
| 20:08.15 | paxcoder | abrotman: is it a last name |
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| 20:08.33 | crumblenaut | http://pastebin.com/d652afc4d |
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| 20:09.30 | abrotman | something appears wrong with your python |
| 20:09.50 | twobitsp1ite | crumblenaut: don't let him talk about your python that way |
| 20:10.11 | jelly-home | his python is a bit small |
| 20:10.14 | crumblenaut | shrugs |
| 20:10.15 | themill | crumblenaut: are you running sarge? |
| 20:10.20 | crumblenaut | fix your distro :P |
| 20:10.23 | crumblenaut | nah testing |
| 20:10.35 | abrotman | testing? python2.3 ? |
| 20:10.38 | twobitsp1ite | who's distro? |
| 20:10.46 | jelly-home | crumblenaut: ls -ld `which python` |
| 20:10.48 | themill | crumblenaut: not with python 2.3 you're not.... |
| 20:11.15 | abrotman | crumblenaut: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does the whole line say? |
| 20:11.17 | crumblenaut | /usr/bin/python -> python2.4 |
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| 20:12.04 | crumblenaut | http://pastebin.com/d4e79b946 |
| 20:12.22 | keith4 | ugh, the top hit for "debian diskless client" is from 2000 |
| 20:12.31 | abrotman | maybe still valid! |
| 20:12.35 | Eulex | crumblenaut, ls -ld `which python2.3` then? |
| 20:12.44 | keith4 | abrotman: true... but I suspect not |
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| 20:12.58 | crumblenaut | /usr/bin/python2.3 |
| 20:12.59 | themill | crumblenaut: dpkg -l python\* > pastebin, please |
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| 20:13.43 | crumblenaut | http://pastebin.com/d7a4a523a |
| 20:13.46 | Eulex | crumblenaut, I'd suggest uninstalling python 2.3. |
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| 20:13.52 | abrotman | might just be a bug in lenny |
| 20:14.14 | abrotman | !diskless |
| 20:14.14 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, diskless is see lessdisks |
| 20:14.18 | abrotman | nice |
| 20:14.19 | abrotman | !lessdisks |
| 20:14.20 | dpkg | it has been said that lessdisks is a debian package for creating diskless (x)terminals |
| 20:14.27 | abrotman | keith4 better? |
| 20:14.42 | crumblenaut | Eulex: thanks, that fixed it :) |
| 20:15.03 | keith4 | abrotman: much ;-) |
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| 20:15.07 | Eulex | dpkg, no, diskless is <reply> see lessdisks |
| 20:15.08 | dpkg | okay, Eulex |
| 20:15.11 | Eulex | !diskless |
| 20:15.12 | dpkg | hmm... lessdisks is a debian package for creating diskless (x)terminals |
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| 20:15.42 | mactimes | Hi. Does anyone here have a recommendation for a good VPN Server for a Debian Server? |
| 20:15.53 | abrotman | keith4 the LTSP might be of some help to you |
| 20:16.05 | Eulex | crumblenaut, yw |
| 20:16.09 | keith4 | yah, i've considered going down that road |
| 20:16.10 | stew | mactimes: openvpn |
| 20:16.15 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Hey! Debian production server up and running ^^ |
| 20:16.24 | foobar8` | mactimes: (or ipsec) |
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| 20:16.56 | Eulex | crumblenaut, I'd guess that the lenny package tries to use python 2.3 but fails, because it doesn't provie what it needs. mind filing a bug report? |
| 20:16.56 | keith4 | abrotman: it seems to only be in sarge |
| 20:17.01 | mactimes | stew: I wondered someone would say that ^^. It is my current option too. Just wanted to see if there was anything better than that. Thank you! |
| 20:17.03 | abrotman | keith4: useless! |
| 20:17.30 | Lagbolt | mactimes, good to hear |
| 20:17.34 | mactimes | Lagbolt: RAID1 enabled for all partitions. Already did the _disk_fail_ tests |
| 20:17.38 | abrotman | throws a LTSP at keith4 |
| 20:17.43 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Works PERFECTLY! =) |
| 20:17.54 | Lagbolt | excellent |
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| 20:18.00 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Thanks for all help and for recommending Debian! |
| 20:18.24 | mactimes | Lagbolt: Far far way better than Ubuntu Server |
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| 20:19.32 | prolix | hello, debianites |
| 20:19.39 | Baloo | Woo! |
| 20:19.47 | Baloo | Google called me back! They want to interview me in person! |
| 20:20.00 | Lagbolt | mactimes, glad it worked out for ya |
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| 20:20.22 | prolix | 900 people. wow |
| 20:20.28 | prolix | well, down to business. |
| 20:20.35 | mactimes | Lagbolt: |(^_^)| |
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| 20:21.08 | prolix | i have an intel mobile gl960 chipset running debian etch 2.6.18 and i'm trying to install a driver for the wireless component, but it seems to not work. |
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| 20:21.24 | abrotman | prolix: do you know which wireless chipset it is? |
| 20:21.26 | themill | prolix: what's the exact wireless chip? |
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| 20:21.50 | themill | abrotman: I think 965 normally comes with 4965 => iwlwifi |
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| 20:21.56 | prolix | abrotman and themill: it's a realtek which uses the rtl8187b driver on the windows side. |
| 20:22.04 | themill | fail |
| 20:22.09 | prolix | heh |
| 20:22.29 | themill | !rtl8187 |
| 20:22.29 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, "modprobe rtl8187". All other chipsets or older kernels require driver compilation, see http://rtl-wifi.sf.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu for instructions. Revision 67 fails to compile on i386/2.6.18, check out r62 instead. <rtl-wifi 2.6.24> |
| 20:22.38 | abrotman | i'd take it back |
| 20:22.51 | themill | prolix: they're a pig to get working. |
| 20:23.00 | prolix | i got this machine really cheap, so i can't really complain |
| 20:23.10 | themill | prolix: might be better with 2.6.24 |
| 20:23.14 | themill | checks that factoid |
| 20:23.16 | prolix | themill: man, tell me about it |
| 20:23.36 | prolix | themill: can i backport 2.6.24? |
| 20:23.58 | themill | prolix: if you read that factoid, you might see that the situation is even worse with 2.6.24.... |
| 20:24.15 | Avoni | Does anyone know of any issues with Debian 4.1.1-21 running on amd64 or similar, that would cause bnc2.9.4 to end process when a client connects? If not would there be a log that has information on the conditions of the process ending? |
| 20:24.26 | abrotman | what is 4.1.1-21 ? |
| 20:24.31 | Avoni | Etch |
| 20:24.33 | themill | RTL stuff is bsolutely fucking useless... |
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| 20:24.58 | themill | Avoni: what's the version of? there's nothing called "etch" with that version number |
| 20:25.03 | prolix | themill: right on |
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| 20:25.26 | Avoni | Sorry, that's my gcc version |
| 20:26.07 | themill | Avoni: ahh... that's a start. |
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| 20:26.41 | themill | Although that's also not the version of gcc in etch... |
| 20:27.23 | Avoni | gcc-4.1-base (= 4.1.1-21) |
| 20:28.22 | themill | Avoni: ah! at last... (that's not he version of the gcc package nor what gcc --version reports... /me confused) |
| 20:28.35 | Avoni | Yeah, it's the devel |
| 20:29.35 | themill | Avoni: OK.. one down. What's bnc2.9.4? |
| 20:29.54 | themill | Avoni: You're not really making things easy for us here! |
| 20:29.57 | Avoni | It's a proxy program for connecting to IRC servers |
| 20:30.13 | keith4 | like bip? |
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| 20:30.42 | Avoni | Similar to znc, or psybnc. I'm ot familiar with bip. |
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| 20:30.46 | themill | Avoni: not a debian package though? |
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| 20:30.56 | Avoni | No, not a debian package. |
| 20:31.10 | keith4 | i think bip is packaged |
| 20:31.52 | themill | Avoni: You could try running bnc inside a debugger to find out why it crashes (I'm presuming it is segfaulting or somehting like that) |
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| 20:32.20 | Avoni | themill: could you recommend a debugger to me please |
| 20:32.24 | themill | gdb |
| 20:32.36 | themill | (I'm presuming this is a C program) |
| 20:32.42 | Avoni | It is |
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| 20:33.58 | Fiskah | I did "apt-get install xmltv", and found out that it was installed into /usr/share/xmltv, but a lot of the countries aren't installed... How can I specify what countries to install? |
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| 20:34.08 | prolix | hmm |
| 20:35.10 | prolix | is it ok to paste three lines here, or is that too much? |
| 20:35.28 | abrotman | more than three will get you kicked .. so be careful |
| 20:35.29 | abrotman | !paste |
| 20:35.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 20:35.37 | prolix | abrotman: thank you |
| 20:36.06 | prolix | when i try to run 'make' from the rtl-wifi directory i get: |
| 20:36.07 | prolix | make[3]: *** [/home/user/rtl-wifi/rtl818x-newstack/r8180_core.o] Error 1 |
| 20:36.07 | prolix | make[2]: *** [/home/user/rtl-wifi/rtl818x-newstack] Error 2 |
| 20:36.07 | prolix | make[1]: *** [_module_/home/user/rtl-wifi] Error 2 |
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| 20:36.21 | themill | !tell prolix about paste |
| 20:36.21 | abrotman | i warned him |
| 20:36.22 | prolix | heh |
| 20:36.40 | prolix | you did, i didn't know it would take the line i typed into consideration, but i should've known better. |
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| 20:37.51 | Fiskah | Ok I found out that I needed "libxmltv-perl" - and I installed it. Problem is that I can't figure out where it is placed... Any clues? |
| 20:38.16 | Eulex | prolix, other than that, the real error is above that. |
| 20:38.41 | chops | Fiskah: dpkg -L libxmltv-perl |
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| 20:40.25 | dob1 | hi. i have a deb package, it will install its files on /usr /var/ etc etc , can i force to install the files on another location ? maybe for example indicate a different directory as root /foo and it will install in /foo/usr /foo/var etc etc ? |
| 20:40.43 | chops | dob1: What package and why? |
| 20:40.57 | dob1 | chops, because i don't have space in / |
| 20:40.58 | abrotman | and not via apt-get/aptitude |
| 20:41.01 | prolix | Eulex: pardon, but i don't quite understand. i've posted the entire list of messages regarding the make @ http://rafb.net/p/TuKnrh37.html |
| 20:41.08 | chops | dob1: What package? |
| 20:41.14 | dob1 | it's oracle express |
| 20:41.23 | chops | dob1: In general that's not possible |
| 20:41.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | dob1, you could with dpkg, but if you dont have room your sytems kind of broken :| |
| 20:41.28 | Eulex | prolix, the real error is /home/user/rtl-wifi/rtl818x-newstack/r8180.h:49:26: error: net/mac80211.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:41.39 | Fiskah | chops: Thanks |
| 20:41.52 | chops | dob1: The real solution is to make some space on / or make a separate filesystem and move part of / to the new filesystem |
| 20:42.02 | SerajewelKS | this may not be something i can fix from debian, but it's somewhat related. i'm trying to use blueproximity to tie my palm to my computer, so when i leave it locks it etc. the problem is that while i'm in my room, my palm says "Connecting..." since blueproximity has opened a connection to it to monitor signal strength. so i can't use my palm in my room unless i disable blueproximity, which kind of defeats the purpose. |
| 20:42.18 | chops | Fiskah: np |
| 20:42.24 | SerajewelKS | so would there be a way to monitor signal strength without opening a connection proper or some way to get the palm to ignore it? |
| 20:42.42 | prolix | Eulex: ok, i see where that is, but i'm not quite sure i understand. i'm pretty new to all of this. |
| 20:42.58 | dob1 | chops, i know, i think a good solution is to buy a new hd :) |
| 20:43.05 | chops | dob1: nod |
| 20:43.21 | chops | dob1: If you're running Oracle, the price of a new disk will hopefully not be prohibitive |
| 20:43.25 | Eulex | prolix, you appear to need at least a 2.6.22 kernel and its kernel headers for that. unless you find the new mac80211 layer somewhere and build it against your 2.6.18 kernel. if that would even work. |
| 20:43.52 | chomwitt | hi. I want to start devilspie (window match utility) as a deamon and if i kill it to restart automatically. Is there a tutorial to learn how to do that? |
| 20:44.06 | prolix | Eulex: thank you kindly :) |
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| 20:44.21 | dob1 | chops, it's just to try the express version , i will not use it seriuos, but anyway i have only 2.5 free on / |
| 20:44.32 | chops | dob1: k |
| 20:44.39 | dob1 | anyway thanks for the help :) |
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| 20:46.12 | foobar8` | dob1: if you have free space on another partition/volume you might well move some part of / over to it |
| 20:46.28 | chops | dob1: np |
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| 20:46.51 | foobar8` | dob1: as cops already suggested |
| 20:47.03 | foobar8` | dob1: ~s/cops/chops/ |
| 20:47.12 | phorce1 | dob1: I have /home/src/ and /home/usrlocal/ as real directories with symlinks from /usr/src/ and /usr/local/ -- I had to do that because Iscrewed up and made a small / partition. |
| 20:47.47 | foobar8` | dob1: and if you use lvm you mght also resize / |
| 20:48.07 | dob1 | foobar8`, not expert about lvm, just read something about it |
| 20:48.09 | chops | phorce1: That's not a good solution in general -- it tends to lead to madness as it continues |
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| 20:48.36 | chops | phorce1: find and tar start breaking, you're never quite sure what disk is going to fill up when a particular filesystem location gets big, etc. |
| 20:48.37 | phorce1 | chops: I know, I *HATE* link farms. It will work until I reformat |
| 20:48.49 | dob1 | but anyway, a part this, i i have to create new partition , what is a good way? one for /usr one for /var and / ? |
| 20:49.03 | chops | dob1: One for /usr is generally good, as is one for /home |
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| 20:49.21 | chops | dob1: In general in my experience the fewer filesystems the better, honestly. |
| 20:49.25 | Younix | anyone ever used par2 |
| 20:49.34 | chops | dob1: I would consider just moving / to a different disk if there's a bigger disk/partition available |
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| 20:49.59 | foobar8` | dob1, phorce1: instead of a symlink you might also use mount -o bind (but chops is right after a while it might get confusing) |
| 20:50.02 | dob1 | i just have /home and / , but i see that /var ( /var/lib cache etc ) occupies a lot of space |
| 20:50.13 | phorce1 | is thinking seriously of being a windows luser and making the whole drive / |
| 20:50.25 | chops | foobar8`: Or just mount the damn thing where it belongs in the first place :-) |
| 20:50.36 | chops | phorce1: That's not being a Windows luser -- I always do that when possible. |
| 20:50.51 | n0mad | hi any skype user ? |
| 20:51.00 | rrbox | skype here |
| 20:51.03 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: that's what i do. i have two other partitions for music and video. |
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| 20:51.26 | n0mad | mic works for pc but not with skype |
| 20:51.29 | rrbox | debetch unstable E16, skype beta, all works fine |
| 20:51.47 | rrbox | might have the wrong channel there |
| 20:51.48 | n0mad | have integrated sound and sound card (using this) |
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| 20:52.01 | n0mad | i can hear others but |
| 20:52.11 | Lagbolt | skype mic works for me |
| 20:52.14 | n0mad | :/ |
| 20:52.20 | phorce1 | SerajewelKS: I use separate drives for music and video usually. It's the fact that I bought an unsupported piece of hardware and started having to compile drivers against multiple kernel versions that bit me in the butt this time. The small / worked fine for 2 years. |
| 20:52.27 | abrotman | n0mad: try ##linux maybe ? |
| 20:52.31 | n0mad | hmn |
| 20:52.43 | themill | or #alsa |
| 20:52.47 | rrbox | n0mad: try going to option and going through other audio in sources |
| 20:52.48 | Lagbolt | n0mad, you can record using your mic? |
| 20:52.57 | abrotman | Lagbolt: he's not using debian .. |
| 20:53.00 | Lagbolt | ah |
| 20:53.18 | Givvade | since some weeks I have the problem that when I get a message over kopete the window in the taskbar doesn't blink anymore... |
| 20:53.21 | rrbox | he's on XP ? lol |
| 20:53.22 | suppaman | how does debian manages bootloader's config? I was told memtest86 would install an entry into bootloader's menu but I've a hand made config |
| 20:53.48 | Lagbolt | XP? seriously? and in here? |
| 20:53.59 | abrotman | Lagbolt: no .. but it's not debian .. |
| 20:54.20 | Lagbolt | abrotman, is it linux? |
| 20:54.23 | chops | Givvade: Checked the BTS? |
| 20:54.37 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: how did it bite you? |
| 20:54.38 | abrotman | Lagbolt: elive AFAICT |
| 20:55.55 | phorce1 | SerajewelKS: filled up the drive with kernel headers and sources in /usr/src and /usr/local for all the different custom compiles. Plus about 6 different compiled kernels in /boot |
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| 20:57.44 | n0mad | Lagbolt, yes i can |
| 20:57.56 | n0mad | rrbox, tryed all available devs in skype |
| 20:58.04 | phorce1 | SerajewelKS, chops, I didn't move any operation files winto my linkfarm, only sources and headers, so I should be OK for a while. I'm piecing together a new system anyway so I'll be doing a fresh install in the next few months. |
| 20:58.22 | Lagbolt | strange that you can record from skype but cant talk . . . |
| 20:58.23 | phorce1 | s/operation/operational, like libs/ |
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| 20:58.46 | GhostlyDeath | Is there a program that can convert a string to base64? |
| 20:58.48 | Lagbolt | n0mad, could try calling and maybe work thru it. what mixer does elive use? |
| 20:59.16 | Breakz | alright i lost my server, ran a perl script and it jammed up, only responds to ping, final resort = manual reboot? |
| 20:59.33 | n0mad | Lagbolt, i didn say that i can rec from skype mics sound i know i can rec to pc directly from mic (sory hard lang) |
| 20:59.38 | larsemil | Breakz: ssh does not work either? |
| 20:59.39 | n0mad | Lagbolt, im using alsa |
| 20:59.47 | foobar8` | thinks that it is strange that there are still people using skype |
| 20:59.50 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: ah, livecd to the rescue, eh? |
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| 21:00.06 | Eulex | !elive |
| 21:00.06 | dpkg | elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net). |
| 21:00.16 | Lagbolt | n0mad, your skype mic is not using the same mic? |
| 21:00.39 | rrbox | foobar8`: why's that? skype is a great cheaper alternative to paying for a land line |
| 21:01.12 | suppaman | anyone? |
| 21:01.22 | foobar8` | rrbox: there are other voip solutions out there |
| 21:01.35 | rrbox | pricier tho foobar8` |
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| 21:01.47 | n0mad | em Lagbolt i have only one mic em |
| 21:02.11 | ZeuZ | Guys I used a divert to prevent some files to be modified with new packages, now when I try to update base files, they drop errors... how can I eliminate that diverse? |
| 21:02.28 | prolix | i was told i needed at least the 2.6.22 kernel and the header files to properly install my wireless drivers, but when i apt-cache search 2.6.22, there are an overwhelming number of choices. how am i to know which ones i need? |
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| 21:02.38 | chops | ZeuZ: man dpkg-divert |
| 21:02.39 | phorce1 | SerajewelKS: No, Since I was only moving non-operational files I just used mc to copy them all to /home/src/ then deleted /usr/src/* and created it again as a symlink. Never crashed the system, just got ugly console messages about / being full. |
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| 21:03.03 | rrbox | n0mad: i'm thinking it's the skype install u got, perhaps removing it, and going with a different version and uninstall and reinstall |
| 21:03.20 | chops | phorce1: / being full is a very bad state; all sorts of things can fail in odd (and by-hand-fixing-requiring) ways when / is full. |
| 21:03.27 | foobar8` | rrbox: did not know there are voip providers paying you for calling ;-) |
| 21:03.31 | ZeuZ | chops, it was a single question... wheter it was possible to easily remove a divert... I'm beggin for an example... |
| 21:03.41 | themill | !tell GeorgeJipa about root |
| 21:03.48 | chops | sighs and types 'man dpkg-divert' |
| 21:03.57 | chops | ZeuZ: dpkg-divert [options] --remove <file> |
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| 21:04.04 | chops | ZeuZ: See? That wasn't hard at all :-) |
| 21:04.20 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: ah |
| 21:04.39 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: i wouldn't exactly call that "biting you" that's more like "tapping you on the shoulder" |
| 21:05.03 | ZeuZ | chops: it tells me that there's no divert, though the problem consists |
| 21:05.06 | chops | ZeuZ: I wasn't being rude. I just don't happen to know the syntax off the top of my head, and having me type 'man dpkg-divert' and read the text to you over IRC isn't very efficient. |
| 21:05.16 | phorce1 | chops: That's Why I started moving and deleting files REALLY FAST. <heh> |
| 21:05.37 | chops | ZeuZ: Ah, so that's a different question. Can you pastebin the output of 'dpkg-divert --list', and the exact command you're using and the output it gives you? |
| 21:05.57 | Eulex | rrbox, I'd suggest reading http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-europe-06/bh-eu-06-biondi/bh-eu-06-biondi-up.pdf |
| 21:06.12 | ZeuZ | dpkg-divert --remove /etc/issue |
| 21:06.30 | snikker | when i start thunderbird, i've got a new account screen... but i've already got a ".mozilla-thunderbird" folder with my profile. can you help me? |
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| 21:07.01 | ZeuZ | There's no deviation for ´any version of /etc/issue´ |
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| 21:08.43 | ZeuZ | done, used list, and removed all deviations |
| 21:08.49 | ZeuZ | chops: thanks |
| 21:09.10 | chops | ZeuZ: You may still have to move some files back into place if you didn't specify --rename; I'm not sure |
| 21:09.15 | chops | ZeuZ: np :-) |
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| 21:09.26 | keith4 | snikker: sounds like your profile is toast |
| 21:09.31 | rrbox | Eulex: cool, yeah i know skype ain't the greatest, but nowadays most communication options got big brother tied along with them, or super taxed |
| 21:09.32 | keith4 | but you can save your address book, email, etc. |
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| 21:10.05 | snikker | keith4: can i restore i without losmy mail and setting? |
| 21:10.10 | Eulex | rrbox, in this case 'big brother' might be equal to 'anyone that is connected to the skype network' |
| 21:10.20 | rrbox | yeah |
| 21:10.28 | keith4 | snikker: dunno |
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| 21:10.44 | snikker | keith4: ok |
| 21:11.11 | rrbox | i'm kinda stuck with them tho, since i need a line in and out, and at about $40 unlimited for the entire year, can't beat it |
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| 21:11.27 | Rat409 | snikker: try using .thunderbird? |
| 21:11.39 | rrbox | no cell phone, or copper line |
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| 21:12.59 | snikker | Rat409: i don't have .thunderbird only .mozilla-thunderbird |
| 21:13.25 | Rat409 | i got that part ,versions differ |
| 21:13.51 | Rat409 | either that or wrong permissions on folder so unaccessible maybe |
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| 21:15.29 | foobar8` | rrbox: there are SIP providers out there giving you pstn in for free and out on a prepaid base (time based costs) |
| 21:15.37 | rrbox | heck our own ISP track everything we do nowadays, there's no escape |
| 21:16.00 | foobar8` | rrbox: same is probably true for iax |
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| 21:16.16 | foobar8` | rrbox: i still prefer pstn though ;-) |
| 21:16.50 | rrbox | i'm not worried about my online use, or conversation monitored |
| 21:17.08 | rrbox | hell they'd just be learning from me anyway :) |
| 21:18.10 | foobar8` | rrbox: then try sip |
| 21:19.35 | foobar8` | rrbox: apt-get install one of twinkle,linphone,ekiga,... |
| 21:19.52 | rrbox | foobar8`: i have looked at ekega, but prices were not ideal |
| 21:19.54 | themill | rrbox: skype opens up /etc/passwd when you start it. Probably innocent, possibly not. It certainly isn't something to be trusted. Additionally, you are not protected by any common carrier regulations so you might legally responsible for any traffic that passed through your machine. |
| 21:20.06 | foobar8` | rrbox: or get some cheap sip "hardware" phone |
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| 21:20.36 | rrbox | themill: ahh crap |
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| 21:22.23 | foobar8` | rrbox: see http://www.sipcenter.com/sip.nsf/html/Service+Providers or http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/VOIP+Service+Providers+Residential - but i am off topic and will stop this now ;-) |
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| 21:23.00 | Bushmills | rrbox: renting a dedicated server at a server farm. or place yours there, connect to it through vpn, use it as gateway/proxy is of some help. traffic by those servers is less associated with you than traffic through internet access providers us |
| 21:23.03 | Bushmills | is |
| 21:23.20 | foobar8` | rrbox: a last one: if you live in germany / maybe (central) europe / don't know - i can recommend sipgate |
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| 21:24.07 | Bushmills | foobar8`: afaik, sipgate peering isn't too good |
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| 21:24.29 | Bushmills | i.e. they don't seem to accept call in from lots of other sip operators |
| 21:24.40 | foobar8` | bushmills: only as pstn gateway |
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| 21:24.59 | Bushmills | ah. |
| 21:25.13 | Bushmills | that's the 01805 numbers? |
| 21:25.24 | foobar8` | Bushmills: not accepting SIP from everywhere can also be seen as a good thing ;-) |
| 21:25.32 | rrbox | sip DID One Year Plan$149.00$25.00$3.00 |
| 21:25.37 | foobar8` | Bushmills: you get a local number |
| 21:25.44 | rrbox | $25 per mo |
| 21:25.48 | foobar8` | Bushmills: at least in germany that is |
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| 21:27.07 | rrbox | my thing is about not paying so much, since i'm not big on phone calls, just once in a great while |
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| 21:27.33 | Bushmills | i have, among others, a sipgate account. but that's one of those which i hardly use, because others have better rates for call out, better peering, and less troublesome (i can't get it right there to forward to another sip account, 50% of all calls the voice mail responds) |
| 21:27.59 | foobar8` | Bushmills: any provider you recommend? |
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| 21:28.20 | Bushmills | being in ireland, i use freespeech mostly. |
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| 21:28.33 | foobar8` | Bushmills: thanks, will take a look |
| 21:28.46 | ZeuZ | where can I change the name of the ditro that lsb_release -d drops as the output? |
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| 21:29.17 | Bushmills | like sipgate, they also give a dial in number, with the gratis plan too. |
| 21:29.46 | Bushmills | but extra numbers, more than one, are charged |
| 21:29.54 | chops | ZeuZ: What are you trying to do? |
| 21:30.02 | foobar8` | Bushmills: seems ireland/uk only |
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| 21:30.14 | chops | ZeuZ: I would expect that you have to get the source for the LSB package, make some modifications, and rebuild it |
| 21:30.20 | Bushmills | foobar8, you may also want to have a look at grand central |
| 21:30.25 | Bushmills | that usa |
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| 21:31.22 | Bushmills | foobar8`: yeah, but doesn't really matter i think. i mean, i have a .de sipgate number, while not exactly being there. |
| 21:32.14 | foobar8` | Bushmills: well payment is often not the way i like it (being a bit aeh conservative? with that) |
| 21:32.17 | chops | ZeuZ: Yeah, it doesn't look offhand like it's very configurable. |
| 21:32.55 | rrbox | time to go outside and cut open a coconut, i'll research this skype and sip ordeal tho, thanks for the 411 guys |
| 21:33.05 | ZeuZ | chops, thanks... I found a way around.. |
| 21:33.11 | chops | ZeuZ: np |
| 21:33.19 | ZeuZ | hehe.. who woulda thought hex editing it would be the solution xD |
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| 21:33.22 | Bushmills | rrbox: sip preferrable to skype imho |
| 21:33.25 | prolix | sighs |
| 21:33.25 | ZeuZ | Gonna reboot to test if it works after the reboot |
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| 21:34.16 | prolix | could someone be so kind as to tell me what this means: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 21:34.41 | chops | prolix: It means you need to install linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 in order to compile modules for that kernel |
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| 21:35.50 | prolix | chops: thank you. when i run sudo apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 i get: linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 is already the newest version. |
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| 21:36.38 | chops | prolix: Can you pastebin the exact command you're running that gives you that error, and the full output of that command (and for good measure the output of ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686{,/}) |
| 21:37.00 | prolix | chops: i sure can. plese hold on for one second. |
| 21:38.58 | prolix | chops: here's the link for the paste: http://rafb.net/p/s1qRYb94.html |
| 21:39.42 | prolix | wait, that's not right |
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| 21:40.26 | prolix | no, no, that's right. i'm paranoid. |
| 21:40.36 | ZOP | <.< |
| 21:40.46 | ZOP | is it paranoia if they really ARE out to get you though? |
| 21:41.00 | prolix | dons aluminum foil helmet |
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| 21:41.21 | prolix | chops: i pasted again, i think i omitted a line: http://rafb.net/p/WEsBN056.html |
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| 21:42.07 | suppaman | bye |
| 21:43.23 | chops | prolix: What I wanted was the command that was giving you the "/lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686/build: No such file or directory" error and its output, and the output of: ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686{,/} |
| 21:43.51 | prolix | chops: oh. pardon. ok. i'll get that. one second, please. |
| 21:43.56 | chops | prolix: no worries |
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| 21:45.04 | prolix | chops: after wading through meters upon meters of my illiteracy, here it is: http://rafb.net/p/8V4o9o73.html |
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| 21:45.27 | chops | prolix: And the ls -l? |
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| 21:46.02 | ZOP | Oh yanno...installing the kernel before the build stuff is installed the kernel module removes the symlink |
| 21:46.13 | prolix | chops: i'm sorry. http://rafb.net/p/iewyih92.html |
| 21:46.16 | ZOP | i usually use module-assistant and it seems to "Do The Right Thing" |
| 21:46.30 | chops | prolix: Type this: |
| 21:46.38 | chops | prolix: ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686{,/} |
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| 21:46.44 | chops | prolix: Not just ls -ld |
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| 21:46.57 | olli456 | http://www.meine-nackte-ex.cc.gd/?ref=1080655 |
| 21:47.42 | bolt | what's the easiest way to sync the contents of a directory to an ftp site? (and keep it synced with a cronjob) |
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| 21:48.11 | ffm | How do I go about getting my DEB into testing/unstable? |
| 21:48.17 | enigmaa | hello, how do i set the KERNELPATH ? |
| 21:48.18 | prolix | chops: thank you for your patience: http://rafb.net/p/LP9Fr550.html |
| 21:48.19 | Seb | can anyone recommend links describing what the pros/cons of running either kerberos or heimdal are ? |
| 21:48.21 | ffm | (sid, in this case) |
| 21:48.31 | ffm | Seb: I can tell you. |
| 21:48.48 | ffm | Seb: I use kerberos, and it is nice. |
| 21:49.03 | ffm | Seb: Pro: Unified password management (combine with LDAP) |
| 21:49.20 | chops | prolix: Hm, how about: ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686/build{,/} |
| 21:49.23 | chops | prolix: ? |
| 21:49.28 | ffm | Seb: Con: If your kerberos/LDAP server goes down, you can't log in. |
| 21:49.32 | prolix | chops: ok. one moment, please |
| 21:49.44 | chops | !tell ffm about nm |
| 21:50.08 | foobar8` | bolt: i useually use a combination of ssh+rsync |
| 21:50.50 | Seb | ffm: to answer your question, you can pretty much ignore chop's suggestion; You don't need to be a maintainer to have your packages in debian, all you need is to find a sponsor |
| 21:50.51 | prolix | chops: here the paste with that command appended: http://rafb.net/p/7K3mqF11.html |
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| 21:51.09 | bolt | foobar8`: no ssh available there :/ |
| 21:51.11 | ffm | Seb: Ok. |
| 21:51.22 | Seb | ffm: #debian-sponsors is the IRC channel for that, and there's also a mailing-list for that, although itRONNI ?s address escapes me right now |
| 21:51.28 | ffm | Seb: How'd I go about doing that? (I already have my package in fedora) |
| 21:51.31 | ffm | Ah, kk. |
| 21:51.39 | chops | ffm: Yes, ignore my suggestion, nm is different. I'm still looking for the factoid about how to get a new package into Debian... |
| 21:51.53 | themill | !mentors |
| 21:51.53 | dpkg | [mentors] the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 21:52.02 | foobar8` | bolt: so whats your upload path? |
| 21:52.04 | Seb | ffm: can you tell me more about the unified passwd management with ldap ? Not sure what you meant... |
| 21:52.09 | foobar8` | bolt: ftp? |
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| 21:52.12 | bolt | foobar8`: yep :( |
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| 21:52.58 | chops | prolix: That's odd... it looks like your build symlink went amiss somehow. You can remake it with 'ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 /lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686/build' |
| 21:53.06 | ffm | Seb: http://aput.net/~jheiss/krbldap/howto.html |
| 21:53.14 | bolt | foobar8`: thinking of curlftpfs+rsync, but hoping there's something less complicated |
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| 21:53.34 | foobar8` | bolt: apt-cache search ftp mirror gives lots of hits ... |
| 21:54.26 | prolix | chops: thank you. i ran that command then tried to run the make command from the rtl-wifi directory and got the same output. |
| 21:54.38 | prolix | it must be linux's built-in anti-retard mechanism |
| 21:54.40 | chops | prolix: You might also check and make sure that your linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 installation is okay (e.g. dpkg -L linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686) |
| 21:54.45 | foobar8` | bolt: sorry, can't give any recommondation here other than not using ftp with passwords ;-) |
| 21:54.55 | bolt | foobar8`: i know that :) |
| 21:56.29 | foobar8` | bolt: maybe do a popcon query ;-) |
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| 21:57.04 | prolix | chops: i ran: dpkg -L linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 and there is a massive list that's larger than the buffer space. should i be looking for something in particular? |
| 21:57.19 | helo | what signal do i send to abort a program and cause a core dump? |
| 21:57.25 | chops | prolix: Just that the files are actually in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 :-) |
| 21:57.32 | helo | (i have ulimit -c unlimited) |
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| 21:58.00 | chops | prolix: cd /lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686/build is a good thing to check too |
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| 21:58.08 | prolix | chops: ok |
| 21:58.09 | olli111 | http://www.meine.ex.nackt.de.ms |
| 21:58.15 | chops | prolix: gtg soon, sorry |
| 21:58.42 | prolix | chops: not a problem. i appreciate your patience, time and assistance. |
| 21:58.43 | helo | kill -6 proess? |
| 21:58.49 | prolix | chops: thank you kindly :) |
| 21:59.21 | chops | prolix: np |
| 22:00.02 | prolix | i'll linger around here in hopes that someone is having a similar problem while browsing the interwebs for a solution. |
| 22:00.25 | prolix | chops: i'd buy you a beer or a doob if they could be sent over an rj45 |
| 22:00.29 | chops | prolix: Heh |
| 22:00.30 | chops | prolix: np |
| 22:00.37 | chops | prolix: Take care |
| 22:00.44 | prolix | chops: you too and thank you again. |
| 22:00.46 | prolix | :) |
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| 22:03.39 | Lagbolt | prolix, can you do --> dpkg -l | grep linux | grep "2.6.22" and pastebin |
| 22:03.55 | prolix | Lagbolt: yes i can. one moment, please. |
| 22:05.21 | prolix | Lagbolt: here is the paste: http://rafb.net/p/EhN1jz45.html |
| 22:05.37 | Lagbolt | i missed out on some earlier stuff, what are you trying to build? |
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| 22:06.04 | prolix | Lagbolt: i'm trying to build rtl-wifi |
| 22:06.16 | prolix | wifi driver for my uncooperative machine |
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| 22:07.45 | Lagbolt | if you go to /lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686 is there a "build" symlink |
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| 22:08.53 | prolix | Lagbolt: no, i don't see a symlink anywhere. just a bunch of module.* files and a kernel directory. |
| 22:09.23 | prolix | s/module.*/modules.*/ |
| 22:09.25 | Lagbolt | are you running testing? or a backports |
| 22:09.40 | prolix | Lagbolt: backport |
| 22:10.02 | Lagbolt | maybe there is a bug in the header package. . . . you could try compiling your own kern from source |
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| 22:10.06 | Lagbolt | with make-kpgk |
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| 22:10.37 | prolix | Lagbolt: i'm pretty new to the whole linux world. would the bot happen to know a how-to for dummies on how to build a kernel from source? |
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| 22:10.52 | linuxjones513 | can i install ndiswrappers on a kernel im not yet using? |
| 22:10.56 | prolix | Lagbolt: and thank you for the input thus far |
| 22:10.58 | dondelelcaro | there's no point in building a kernel from source |
| 22:11.17 | Lagbolt | lol i can help you out if you like with that. there are lots of howto's . . . mostly it takes time to compile lol |
| 22:11.20 | dondelelcaro | prolix: all you need to do is install the proper -headers package that corresponds to the runneing kernel, set KSRC appropriate (or whatever variables your makefile is using) and then build it |
| 22:11.31 | ZOP | apt-get install module-assistant |
| 22:11.32 | ZOP | m-a prepare |
| 22:11.35 | ZOP | done. |
| 22:11.54 | linuxjones513 | ZOP, is that for me? |
| 22:11.58 | ZOP | it'll setup everything for the currently running kernel so you can build modules |
| 22:12.00 | dondelelcaro | prolix: though in the case of rtl, iirc, that's supported in 2.6.24 out of the box |
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| 22:12.06 | n0mad | em hello plz short how to or posible chared internet from to pc2 specify limit of trafic ? |
| 22:12.15 | ZOP | no sorry, for whoevers been having the build problem prolix. |
| 22:12.29 | prolix | dondelelcaro: when i tried to install the linux headers via sudo apt-get install, i got a message saying it was alreay the latest version. |
| 22:12.30 | n0mad | from1pc to2pc ethernet maswuarad getaway... |
| 22:12.42 | ZOP | and actually linuxjones m-a can help you build for a kernel your'e not running too |
| 22:12.44 | prolix | ZOP: i've run both of those commands but to no avail |
| 22:12.45 | Lagbolt | prolix, he is talken about the 24 kern |
| 22:12.54 | prolix | oh |
| 22:12.54 | ZOP | but i've never needed/tried to use ndiswrappers so not sure. |
| 22:13.09 | ZOP | prolix: then create the symlink and point it to where the headers are installing. |
| 22:13.11 | prolix | Lagbolt: thank you and please forgive my ignorance. |
| 22:13.12 | Lagbolt | prolix, have you tried reinstalling the headers? |
| 22:13.33 | prolix | Lagbolt: only through apt-get install, but yes, i have tried reinstalling the headers. |
| 22:13.42 | Lagbolt | prolix, do you have this dir /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 |
| 22:13.51 | prolix | dondelelcaro: thank you for your assistance, too. even if it was over my head. |
| 22:14.32 | prolix | Lagbolt: no. it says: No such file or directory |
| 22:14.49 | Lagbolt | maybe you need to reinstall that package . . |
| 22:15.15 | Lagbolt | apt-get --purge remove linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 linux-headers-2.6.22-4 |
| 22:15.37 | Lagbolt | then do an apt-get clean, an apt-get update and apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 |
| 22:16.11 | dondelelcaro | prolix: which linux headers package? |
| 22:18.04 | prolix | dondelelcaro: linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 |
| 22:18.56 | dondelelcaro | prolix: and what does uname -r; say? |
| 22:19.25 | prolix | dondelelcaro: 2.6.22-4-686 |
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| 22:19.56 | Lagbolt | dondelelcaro, he doesnt have the files. . .if the headers dir doesnt exist and there is no link to it then something either got deleted or the package is flawed |
| 22:20.20 | dondelelcaro | prolix: ok, then you should have /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 and /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-4; if they're not there, reinstall the packages. |
| 22:20.46 | dondelelcaro | (aptitude reinstall linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 linux-headers-2.6.22-4; or similar) |
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| 22:22.19 | prolix | dondelelcaro: i followed Lagbolt's instructions as to how to remove and reinstall the headers, which went great. thanks, Lagbolt :). however, when i cd into the rtl-wifi directory and try to run 'make' i get this: http://rafb.net/p/PrevwN52.html |
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| 22:23.25 | prolix | do i need to install: linux-kbuild-2.6.22 ? |
| 22:23.41 | Lagbolt | yes |
| 22:23.46 | orientz | bsaha |
| 22:24.01 | prolix | Lagbolt: ok. i'll give that a shot |
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| 22:24.14 | orientz | hello nesk3 |
| 22:24.21 | Lagbolt | once it is installed check to see if that file is in place . . . /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686/scripts/Kbuild.include |
| 22:24.27 | dondelelcaro | !+find linux-headers-2.6.22-4/scripts/Kbuild.include |
| 22:24.29 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:24.35 | dondelelcaro | !+find linux-headers-2.6.22-4/scripts/Kbuild.include testing |
| 22:24.37 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:24.51 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-headers-2.6.22-4/scripts/Kbuild.include' returned no results. |
| 22:25.02 | prolix | Lagbolt: No such file or directory |
| 22:25.21 | dondelelcaro | prolix: does /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686/scripts exist? |
| 22:25.32 | prolix | dondelelcaro: i'll check. one second, please. |
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| 22:25.54 | prolix | dondelelcaro: No such file or directory |
| 22:26.20 | Lagbolt | wft prolix . . . that is very odd |
| 22:26.47 | prolix | Lagbolt: i must be working through some karmic mistake from a past life |
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| 22:28.01 | prolix | i'm sure it amounts to user error, but i'm just not experienced enough to give clear assistance/articulation for my problem |
| 22:28.29 | Lagbolt | dpkg -L linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 | grep Kbuild.include |
| 22:28.29 | dpkg | ii linux-headers-2.6.22-4-686 | grep Kbuild.include 2.8-5.2 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 22:28.50 | Lagbolt | lol woah . . prolix can you do what i just put |
| 22:29.03 | dondelelcaro | prolix: first aptitude reinstall linux-kbuild-2.6.22-4; then if it doesn't change, ls -l /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-4/; |
| 22:29.21 | prolix | Lagbolt: that command returned nothing but a new $ prompt |
| 22:29.22 | dondelelcaro | prolix: since it looks like you (or something else) deleted the contents of /usr/src |
| 22:29.39 | dondelelcaro | Lagbolt: kbuild isn't in the -headers package, it's in the kbuild package; scripts is a symlink to it. |
| 22:29.46 | prolix | dondelelcaro: ok. i'll give that a shot. one second, please. |
| 22:30.21 | Lagbolt | dondelelcaro, it is in mine . . .but mine are built from source |
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| 22:30.34 | Ergo^ | evning |
| 22:30.44 | Lagbolt | does he need to reinstall the headers now that kbuild is installed |
| 22:30.45 | Lagbolt | ? |
| 22:30.59 | Ergo^ | im looking for some noob solution to control UDP trafiic ... something like trickle |
| 22:31.20 | Lagbolt | or should kbuild have updated the headers when it was installed |
| 22:31.41 | dondelelcaro | Lagbolt: the order doesn't matter. There's no configuration going on there at all. |
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| 22:32.33 | Lagbolt | prolix, can you pastebin "dpkg -l | grep 2.6.22" |
| 22:32.38 | prolix | dondelelcaro: i ran the aptitude reinstall then ls -l. here's the output of ls -l: http://rafb.net/p/kanhFH78.html |
| 22:32.48 | prolix | Lagbolt: yes, i sure can. one moment, please. |
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| 22:33.16 | dondelelcaro | prolix: ok, go ahead and try the build again and see if the output changes. |
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| 22:33.56 | prolix | Lagbolt: here's the output: http://rafb.net/p/bD3waW65.html |
| 22:34.04 | prolix | dondelelcaro: ok. i'll give it a try. one moment, please. |
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| 22:34.30 | prolix | dondelelcaro: the same output is showing up. |
| 22:34.44 | prolix | dondelelcaro: wait, not it's not exactly the same. i'll paste it. |
| 22:34.51 | yigal | I am attempting to move usr to it's own partition but the partition is a logical volume but I don't know how to treat the fstab as it is not mounting usr-lvm and I must manually mount it |
| 22:35.00 | yigal | s/it's/its |
| 22:36.03 | prolix | dondelelcaro: no, wait, i think it is the same, either way, here's the paste: http://rafb.net/p/T7CvKa98.html |
| 22:36.15 | Lagbolt | prolix, somewhere along the way some links and what not are not getting put where they need to be |
| 22:36.18 | yigal | one sec. I need to get into a screen session, as I'm in single user mode |
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| 22:36.21 | orientz | source.list bloquer |
| 22:37.31 | Lagbolt | i think the kbuild package should come in with the headers . . the fact that the headers was installed without kbuild is strange |
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| 22:37.45 | Lagbolt | now that kbuild is installed try removing and reinstalling the headers |
| 22:37.45 | yigal | was there anyone willing to help me? |
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| 22:38.07 | prolix | Lagbolt: ok, i'll try that. one moment, please. |
| 22:38.16 | Alexander_Godumo | i have a problem with linux-image-2.6.24-1 |
| 22:38.23 | orientz | slaps yigal around with a small 50lb Unix Manual |
| 22:38.26 | Alexander_Godumo | does anyone know how to use ndiswrapper with it? |
| 22:38.33 | Alexander_Godumo | it conflicts with the ssb module |
| 22:38.41 | yigal | orientz: right, thanks needed that |
| 22:38.54 | Alexander_Godumo | however b44 needs ssb and i need b44 for my ethernet card |
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| 22:39.26 | yigal | Alexander_Godumo: I'm using a similar set up with ndiswrappers |
| 22:39.49 | prolix | Lagbolt: i removed and reinstalled the headers then tried to 'make' again and ran into the same error. |
| 22:39.54 | yigal | Alexander_Godumo: are you sure you need b44? |
| 22:40.07 | Alexander_Godumo | yes |
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| 22:40.23 | prolix | thank goodness for .bash_history |
| 22:40.26 | Alexander_Godumo | i have a broadcom ethernet and a broadcom wlan card |
| 22:40.43 | Alexander_Godumo | 06:01.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX (rev 02) |
| 22:40.43 | Alexander_Godumo | 06:02.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) |
| 22:40.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Hi all. I've just installed debian on my laptop, and am having issues adding the unstable tree to apt. I've added the line to sources.list, but `apt-get update` complains about the dynamic MMap running out of room once the files have been downloaded |
| 22:40.47 | yigal | Alexander_Godumo: I'm not sure then, that sounds an interesting problem |
| 22:41.01 | Alexander_Godumo | the wireless card is supposed to work with b43 however it just doesn`t |
| 22:41.15 | Alexander_Godumo | i installed b43-fwcutter and it downloaded the correct firmware |
| 22:41.20 | Lagbolt | prolix, you could try building your own . . . need to install "kernel_package" |
| 22:41.31 | Alexander_Godumo | however i just cannot create an ad-hoc network |
| 22:41.39 | yigal | Alexander_Godumo: yes, the problem is the dependency of b44 with ssb |
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| 22:41.57 | yigal | Alexander_Godumo: for ndiswrappers, not sure, really that's tough |
| 22:42.06 | prolix | Lagbolt: forgive my ignorance, but i wouldn't know where to begin when it comes to building my own kernel. |
| 22:42.08 | Alexander_Godumo | i get this error with b43 - debian:/home/hellfire# /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 22:42.09 | Alexander_Godumo | Reconfiguring network interfaces...RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
| 22:42.09 | Alexander_Godumo | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 22:42.09 | Alexander_Godumo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.09 | Alexander_Godumo | Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : |
| 22:42.09 | Alexander_Godumo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:42.23 | orientz | hahhahaa |
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| 22:42.44 | prolix | Lagbolt: but that doesn't mean i'm not willing to give it a shot. afterall, this is the most interesting puzzle i've ever seen in my life. i'm addicted. |
| 22:42.46 | Lagbolt | prolix, as long as you arent trying to do anything fancy it is a few simple comands |
| 22:42.56 | Alexander_Godumo | i should have not written in that way.... |
| 22:42.58 | simonrvn | !tell Alexander_Godumo -about paste |
| 22:42.59 | yigal | Alexander_Godumo: in general you are not using ethernet and wireless together, right? |
| 22:42.59 | Lagbolt | but it will take a bit of time to compile |
| 22:43.01 | orientz | aller ciao les naz |
| 22:43.02 | prolix | Lagbolt: ok, that sounds reassuring. |
| 22:43.09 | rgr | I have 2 x-screens set up on Debian Lenny. But I can not delete from the desktop of x.screen 1. It says Error "Not on the same file system". Any ideas` |
| 22:43.10 | Alexander_Godumo | i am using them together |
| 22:43.14 | yigal | Alexander_Godumo: why? |
| 22:43.26 | prolix | Lagbolt: time is something i have plenty of today. thank you for the forewarning though. |
| 22:43.34 | simonrvn | orientz: -_- |
| 22:43.35 | yigal | Alexander_Godumo: I mean for what reason? |
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| 22:43.41 | Alexander_Godumo | i am receiving my internet connection through my wired interface and sharing it via an ad-hoc network |
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| 22:43.51 | simonrvn | orientz: quel genre de "naz" tu veux dire? |
| 22:43.54 | Alexander_Godumo | it used to work up until 2.6.23 |
| 22:44.04 | Alexander_Godumo | however i used ndiswrapper |
| 22:44.19 | yigal | Alexander_Godumo: so with ssb being used it's having problems? |
| 22:44.20 | Alexander_Godumo | in 2.6.24 i cannot use ndiswrapper and b43 does not work either |
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| 22:44.36 | Lagbolt | is 24 kern backported to etch? |
| 22:44.41 | Alexander_Godumo | yes the ssb module conflicts with ndiswrapper |
| 22:44.46 | Ergo^ | can anyone point me to some tool for UDP traffic shaping? trickle is only for TCP :( |
| 22:44.46 | Alexander_Godumo | i use unstable |
| 22:44.55 | themill | Lagbolt: it's in etch-proposed-updates |
| 22:45.00 | simonrvn | Lagbolt: check backports.org |
| 22:45.04 | simonrvn | oh nm |
| 22:45.31 | yigal | anyone with lvm and fstab, is there something I can do to make lvm mount ?:wq |
| 22:45.37 | Alexander_Godumo | well i know using unstable is like asking for trouble but this is the first real trouble i`ve had in a long time |
| 22:45.38 | yigal | excuse me vim burp |
| 22:45.42 | Lagbolt | well prolix you need to install "kernel-package" and the kernel source package you want to build |
| 22:45.50 | Alexander_Godumo | and i see many other distros have that same trouble |
| 22:46.19 | prolix | Lagbolt: would that be: sudo apt-get install kernel-package linux-source-2.6.22-4 ? |
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| 22:46.54 | Lagbolt | prolix, yeah well linux-source-2.6.22 i think . . do apt-cache search linux-source to find out for sure |
| 22:47.03 | Tramp | yigal: just specify the block-device, usually something like /dev/mapper/vgfoo-lvbar |
| 22:47.13 | prolix | Lagbolt: alright. one second |
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| 22:47.34 | Alexander_Godumo | i tried with ndiswrapper and it works |
| 22:47.36 | yigal | Tramp: yes, this is what I did |
| 22:47.47 | Alexander_Godumo | i have to first unload b44 and ssb |
| 22:47.47 | TwinX | sudo apt-get build-dep linux-source-2.6.22 |
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| 22:48.00 | Alexander_Godumo | then modprobe ndiswrapper and then modprobe ssb and b44 |
| 22:48.11 | Tramp | yigal: what do you get if you run "file -s" on this device? |
| 22:48.24 | Alexander_Godumo | the problem is that if i set up my internet connection this way i will lose the set up after restart |
| 22:48.59 | yigal | Tramp: "44.1 kHz, Stereo " ? |
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| 22:49.28 | Lagbolt | prolix, i will send you commands in PM. i am walking back and forth because i am working and i dont want to miss something in the main window |
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| 22:49.46 | Tramp | yigal: what device are we talking about here? |
| 22:49.52 | prolix | Lagbolt: please do and thank you. |
| 22:50.41 | yigal | Tramp: in my case I called the lv partition elegantbox and the lvpartition is called user, so /dev/mapper/elegantbox-usr |
| 22:51.31 | Tramp | yigal: you mean the vg is "elegantbox" and the lv is "usr", right? |
| 22:51.40 | yigal | Tramp: right |
| 22:51.54 | yigal | Tramp: yes, sorry for complicating things |
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| 22:52.40 | shellito | There are 3 different configurations for logwatch (../default.conf, ../distro.conf and /etc/logwatc/conf/) how I know which one is being used? |
| 22:52.43 | Tramp | yigal: and when you run "file -s /dev/mapper/elegantbox-usr" the output is "44.1 kHz, Stereo" ?? |
| 22:52.58 | yigal | Tramp: yes that is why I put the "?" :) |
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| 22:53.08 | devsforev | Anyone here have experience performing backups using rsync? |
| 22:53.38 | Tramp | yigal: No idea what you did. But then there is no filesystem on this lv. |
| 22:54.07 | yigal | Tramp: then how am I capable of mounting it? |
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| 22:54.39 | Tramp | yigal: make a filesystem on it, of course. |
| 22:55.12 | yigal | Tramp: I have files in there, I ran mkfs.ext3 on it? |
| 22:55.46 | dondelelcaro | devsforev: best to just ask your question. |
| 22:56.03 | shellito | nevermind i got it |
| 22:56.27 | Tramp | yigal: I seriously doubt that. What happens when you manuall "mount /dev/... /mnt" ? |
| 22:57.06 | yigal | Tramp: right now I can't because the device is busy as the /usr partition of this computer |
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| 22:57.52 | linuxjones513 | does anyone know how i can install ndiswrappers on a kernel im not using (yet) |
| 22:58.11 | yigal | Tramp: strangely enough I created two other partitions each with a reasonable output from file, "block special" |
| 22:58.43 | yigal | Tramp: I'm going to reboot, and move my old usr partition to where it was originally, but I don't know what I did |
| 22:58.53 | Tramp | yigal: Seriously, I have not idea, what you are doing. One moment you say, you can't mount it, next you say it is mounted as /usr. |
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| 22:59.09 | Tramp | Neither do I |
| 22:59.13 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, m-a can do it |
| 22:59.19 | yigal | Tramp: I wrote that I must mount it manually and I want help with fstab |
| 22:59.30 | enouf | linuxjones513: you don't install ndiswrapper on a kernel, afaik |
| 22:59.31 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, do you have the new kern and headers installed? |
| 22:59.48 | enouf | build against? yes |
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| 23:00.39 | yigal | ah, I see the intermediate request gave a misleading interest, I wrote a long thing a few minutes before |
| 23:00.48 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, do you know how it would be done? seems like i tried that and it failed |
| 23:00.50 | yigal | Tramp: thanks then for everything |
| 23:00.54 | Lagbolt | yea i know how |
| 23:01.00 | Tramp | np |
| 23:01.22 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, for me something like this . . m-a -k /lib/modules/2.6.24-04092008 -l 2.6.24-04092008 a-i ndiswrapper |
| 23:01.29 | Lagbolt | replace with your kernel |
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| 23:02.40 | PiousMinion | Other than editing /etc/apt/sources.list by hand, is there an easy way to select a different mirror for apt? |
| 23:02.57 | themill | !apt-spy |
| 23:02.58 | dpkg | methinks apt-spy is a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 23:03.09 | devsforev | dondelelcaro: I am interested in backing up my /etc/* and /home/mythtv excluding /home/mythtv/tvstore using rsync. How should I set up the users on each machine? Should the mythbox be root while executing this script to a non-root on the backup server? |
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| 23:03.56 | PiousMinion | themill: that would work great if I could actually use apt to install it. :P |
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| 23:04.28 | enouf | themill: which one .. oh it was net-apt or something that overwrote the exisitng sources.list |
| 23:04.48 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, i guess i dont have the headers, how would i go about getting them? |
| 23:04.52 | enouf | oh wait |
| 23:04.56 | PiousMinion | ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu seems foobared. |
| 23:04.58 | themill | enouf: nfi... I figured out how to use vi some time ago. |
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| 23:05.02 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, what kernel do you have |
| 23:05.23 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, apt-cache search linux-headers . . . then install the one that matches your kernel |
| 23:05.27 | linuxjones513 | 2.6.22 |
| 23:05.29 | enouf | !netselect |
| 23:05.30 | dpkg | netselect takes a bunch of servers and uses multiple pings + traceroute to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you (choose the best mirror), or see http://students.washington.edu/eeyem/software/netsel.pl for a quickie perl script to pick the best debian mirror, or netselect-apt will find the fastest debian mirror and write a sources.list file for you! |
| 23:05.44 | enouf | ahh netselect-apt it was |
| 23:06.18 | PiousMinion | doesn't help me if I can't install it. |
| 23:06.47 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, k7? 686? 486? you just have to install the headers that are same as the kern |
| 23:07.00 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, thanks |
| 23:07.20 | enouf | linuxjones513: you need the -headers for the kernel you're building ndiscrapper stuff against |
| 23:07.47 | enouf | PiousMinion: i am ${Deity} of my domain ;-) |
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| 23:07.54 | Monobi | !userdirs |
| 23:08.07 | Monobi | Hm, anyone have any links on setting up apache2 userdirs ? |
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| 23:08.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Monobi, enable the correct module? |
| 23:08.36 | stew | Monobi: a2enmod userdir |
| 23:08.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc, mod userdir |
| 23:08.46 | PiousMinion | might be easier to do a reinstall as this is still a fresh one |
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| 23:09.13 | peleg | this is kind of an emergency... :-) I have installed a new font, an un-readable one, and now all of my Hebrew sites (almost all of them) are shown with that font. that's extremely funny, but when I need to read, I need to read, not to laugh ;-) |
| 23:09.29 | peleg | do you know how can I convince firefox to use other fonts? |
| 23:09.30 | dondelelcaro | devsforev: up to you; the important thing is that rsync needs to be able to read all of the files on the local machine. |
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| 23:09.45 | dondelelcaro | devsforev: generally you also want it to be able to preserve permissions on the remote machine too, though that's not as critical. |
| 23:09.45 | peleg | tried in preferences etc. |
| 23:10.36 | Monobi | elm:~# a2enmod UserDir |
| 23:10.36 | Monobi | This module does not exist! |
| 23:10.47 | dondelelcaro | Monobi: it's userdir |
| 23:10.51 | Monobi | oh |
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| 23:11.02 | Monobi | Thanks |
| 23:11.09 | dondelelcaro | Monobi: ls -l /etc/apache2/modules-available/ if you want to know what other modules there are. |
| 23:11.23 | themill | tab completion ftw |
| 23:11.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | i think a2enmod on its own will list tehm |
| 23:11.38 | linuxjones513 | do i need the kernel source? |
| 23:11.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | *them |
| 23:11.57 | peleg | I guess I don't have Tahoma, so it moves to the next font alphabetically? |
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| 23:12.03 | peleg | hence: Tombic |
| 23:12.51 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: yes. It will then ask for the name. Or you can a2enmod <tab><tab> to list them if you have sourced /etc/bash_completion. :) |
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| 23:14.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill, why, so you can :o |
| 23:15.21 | yigal | Tramp: I wrote in fstab errors=remount, not errors=remount-ro - idiot |
| 23:15.29 | yigal | Tramp: it works of course |
| 23:15.58 | Tramp | yigal: hmm. still doesnt explain the file -s output - but glad it works for you now. |
| 23:16.23 | yigal | Tramp: ya, that was a weird one, but I've seen file make mistakes before |
| 23:16.53 | yigal | Tramp: most likely something again I did, but file reports it as a block device so I'm happy now |
| 23:17.07 | Tramp | ok then 8) |
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| 23:20.55 | Nyle | Tramp, you wear glasses? |
| 23:21.05 | Nyle | spectacles? |
| 23:21.16 | Nyle | cals? |
| 23:21.20 | Nyle | no idea how to spell it |
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| 23:22.56 | Nyle | nm damn modes ignored |
| 23:23.05 | Nyle | argh. |
| 23:23.11 | Nyle | hmm |
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| 23:24.03 | Nyle | so...7 minutes of silence except me |
| 23:24.05 | Nyle | !ping |
| 23:24.06 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:24.08 | pepve | what to use to play midi files? |
| 23:24.11 | Nyle | well I'm connected |
| 23:24.17 | Nyle | pepve, a midi player like timidity |
| 23:24.34 | Nyle | pepve, aptitude install timidity |
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| 23:24.53 | pepve | already on it, thanks :) |
| 23:25.17 | themill | Nyle: You killed the conversation and ended up talking to yourself again.... |
| 23:25.25 | salami | hey |
| 23:25.26 | Nyle | I killed it? |
| 23:25.37 | Nyle | I just got home, joined irc, and saw tramp do 8) |
| 23:25.52 | Nyle | usually a =) or a :) but 8) is new to me, so I asked if he wore glasses |
| 23:26.17 | Nyle | themill, and there was no conversation :) ya'll were already silent for 4 minutes before I joined |
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| 23:26.40 | rgr | Nyle: why the constant need to flood channel with your inane small talk? It is very antisocial. |
| 23:26.47 | salami | unsure |
| 23:27.01 | Nyle | rgr, /ignore Nyle |
| 23:27.15 | twobitsprite | rgr, while I don |
| 23:27.17 | twobitsprite | er |
| 23:27.39 | twobitsprite | while I don't disagree with your first point necessarily, I don't understand how small talk can be "antisocial" |
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| 23:27.50 | peleg | how do I uninstall a font? I have removed it from its folder, but I still see it in firefox |
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| 23:28.08 | themill | !install font |
| 23:28.08 | dpkg | To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
| 23:28.10 | Nyle | maybe I could employ a bit more self control when it come to <enter> |
| 23:28.24 | themill | peleg: ^^ you'll need to run fc-cache again, at a guess. |
| 23:28.39 | twobitsprite | !enter |
| 23:28.39 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 23:28.41 | Nyle | themill, usually no need |
| 23:28.44 | themill | peleg: and *possibly* you'll also need to restart ff. I don't know how clever it is. |
| 23:28.44 | peleg | thanks |
| 23:28.53 | Nyle | for fc-cache |
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| 23:29.20 | themill | Nyle: it depends a lot on what font system the app uses. I have no idea about ff's font handling. |
| 23:29.32 | peleg | worked, thanks |
| 23:29.38 | themill | :) |
| 23:29.48 | Nyle | true |
| 23:29.50 | peleg | but I can't have this font installed, without firefox choosing it. |
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| 23:29.51 | Nyle | very true |
| 23:29.52 | themill | !win themill |
| 23:29.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won the US presidency! |
| 23:29.55 | Nyle | I overlooked that point |
| 23:29.55 | themill | :( |
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| 23:30.40 | Nyle | themill, I believe fonts are controlled through the gtk2 in ff |
| 23:31.40 | themill | Nyle: just enough of ff is not done through gtk to annoy... but you're probably right. |
| 23:31.48 | Nyle | and I wish there was a Qt port, under active development etc. etc. but ... even though firefox 3 is supposed to handle integration with the OS much simpler and more involved, in linux it still lacks like a donkey with no nuts |
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| 23:31.58 | matrix | hi |
| 23:31.59 | matrix | plz, i need you help, got a problem with my webcam my webcam only work when i connect it after starting my computer, if I connect it before and then I start my computer it doesn't work ? why ? what can I do ? (i already put gspca in etc/modules) |
| 23:33.26 | Nyle | !webcam |
| 23:33.26 | dpkg | methinks webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm, or mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l:width=352:height=288:outfmt=yv12:device=/dev/video0 |
| 23:33.35 | Nyle | ok... |
| 23:33.39 | Nyle | hm |
| 23:33.49 | matrix | ? |
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| 23:33.53 | Nyle | !doesn't work |
| 23:33.53 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 23:33.59 | Nyle | matrix, ^^ |
| 23:34.10 | zelip | hi guys, anyone know how to configure monit for authenticated email smtp |
| 23:34.10 | matrix | what do you mean ? |
| 23:34.11 | Nyle | !ask |
| 23:34.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:34.18 | Nyle | !sicco |
| 23:34.18 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
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| 23:34.49 | Jota_R | Hi, I have edited the /etc/network/interfaces file with the following: iface eth0 inet static // address 192.168.0.1 // netmask 255.255.255.0 // gateway 192.168.0.50 .. but when I reboot the machine.. the eth0 interface is not loaded... any idea? |
| 23:34.56 | zelip | how do i set authentication email sending with monit? |
| 23:34.57 | Nyle | matrix, BE. MORE. SPECIFIC. |
| 23:35.39 | Nyle | Jota_R, can you ifup it? |
| 23:36.22 | Jota_R | Nyle, hum... great.. it's working now.. .but how can I set it to load automatically when linux is started? |
| 23:36.23 | themill | Jota_R: do you have an "auto eth0" line or similar? |
| 23:36.33 | matrix | nyle> my webcam is a trust 150 spacecam |
| 23:36.34 | Nyle | Jota_R, 'auto' |
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| 23:36.41 | matrix | nyle> got ubuntu |
| 23:36.48 | Nyle | #ubuntu |
| 23:36.56 | matrix | what else do you want to know ? |
| 23:37.00 | themill | !tell matrix about ubuntu |
| 23:37.08 | Nyle | do not ask another question in here regarding support anymore until you install debian |
| 23:37.11 | pawbie | I seem to be tarded and can't get XDMCP working correctly. Any tips or howtos? |
| 23:37.27 | Nyle | pawbie, sure, how are you loading the server? |
| 23:37.36 | matrix | hum |
| 23:37.37 | Jota_R | Nyle, sorry .. but just adding 'auto eth0' in the last line of /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 23:37.38 | Nyle | pawbie, *DM? |
| 23:37.43 | Nyle | Jota_R, not last |
| 23:37.44 | matrix | i'm going to start again |
| 23:37.48 | Nyle | Jota_R, man 5 interfaces |
| 23:37.52 | matrix | i have a debian system |
| 23:37.53 | Jota_R | tks man |
| 23:37.56 | pawbie | Nyle: I was using the System -> Admin -> Login panel. |
| 23:37.57 | Nyle | matrix, you need to go to #ubuntu |
| 23:37.58 | matrix | so what's the solution ? |
| 23:38.03 | themill | Jota_R: usually, you add it at the start, but man 5 interfaces for exact syntax. |
| 23:38.04 | Nyle | pawbie, KDE? |
| 23:38.09 | pawbie | Xfce4 |
| 23:38.15 | Nyle | hmm |
| 23:38.18 | Nyle | GDM then? |
| 23:38.18 | Jota_R | themill, tks man... gonna check |
| 23:38.21 | themill | matrix: what kernel are you using? uname -r |
| 23:39.03 | pawbie | Ya |
| 23:39.03 | Nyle | ok |
| 23:39.03 | Nyle | I don't work with gdm, but it should be the same as kdm in regards to serving up xdmcp |
| 23:39.03 | abrotman | themill: -a is usually more helpful |
| 23:39.03 | Nyle | you have to enable the xdmcp in the gdm.conf file |
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| 23:39.03 | abrotman | or use gdmsetup |
| 23:39.03 | Nyle | abrotman is a gnome user he could probably guide you more |
| 23:39.05 | abrotman | i just did! |
| 23:39.07 | pawbie | Nyle: Oh. Can't just use the admin -> Login panel? |
| 23:39.09 | Nyle | abrotman, I did not know that |
| 23:39.10 | matrix | 2.6 |
| 23:39.10 | themill | abrotman: -r is usually enough for this purpose ;) |
| 23:39.13 | Nyle | gdmsetup |
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| 23:39.33 | pawbie | Nyle: I used Debian at home, but a friend is converting over from Suse10. |
| 23:39.35 | Nyle | pawbie, not afaik, because I don't know gnome. I have not used it since gnome 2.8 |
| 23:39.48 | abrotman | so .. etch .. |
| 23:39.49 | abrotman | hides |
| 23:39.55 | abrotman | that wasn't fair .. |
| 23:40.13 | pawbie | hm.. gmdsetup starts the same panel as Admin -> Login |
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| 23:40.20 | pawbie | gdmsetup, that is. |
| 23:40.21 | Nyle | does it now |
| 23:40.28 | Nyle | that was a lot of help then |
| 23:40.47 | Nyle | unless abrotman is sure that option exists in the gui |
| 23:41.15 | abrotman | pawbie: the "remote" tab? |
| 23:41.20 | pawbie | Ya? |
| 23:41.31 | abrotman | did you enable it and restart gdm ? |
| 23:41.41 | pawbie | Oh. I failed the restart bit.... |
| 23:41.51 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure you have to do that bit |
| 23:42.13 | abrotman | thinks aptitude wants to upgrade/remove the same package |
| 23:42.20 | jim | stopping gdm will stop your session |
| 23:42.27 | pawbie | ...ya... |
| 23:42.34 | abrotman | jim: restart ? |
| 23:42.35 | jim | so make sure you've saved whatever is there |
| 23:42.37 | Nyle | pawbie, yes... unfortunately changes are not usually live |
| 23:42.40 | pawbie | waves. |
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| 23:43.04 | jim | wouldn't restart stop it then start it? |
| 23:43.19 | abrotman | yes .. i thought you meant it wouldn't restart |
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| 23:43.48 | jim | no I just meant apps don't give you a chance to save |
| 23:43.56 | RedEyess | I have updated to firmware-iwlwifi under Lenny |
| 23:44.11 | darksk1ez | is there any reason i can lookup as to why 2.6.24-xen has been build for i686 but doesnt look like it'll be built for amd64? |
| 23:44.13 | RedEyess | and I can't use the GNOME network-manager to connect to my network using DHCP |
| 23:44.23 | RedEyess | i can connect using a static IP |
| 23:44.29 | RedEyess | How do I solve this problem? |
| 23:44.31 | abrotman | darksk1ez: maybe the debian-kernel mailing list ... or ask them |
| 23:44.48 | pawbie | Nope. Connection refused still. |
| 23:44.48 | darksk1ez | ok tnx |
| 23:44.54 | Bushmills | RedEyess: you probably want your ip address long before you start gnome. |
| 23:45.00 | RedEyess | ok |
| 23:45.06 | RedEyess | I understand that |
| 23:45.13 | jim | RedEyess: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:45.22 | RedEyess | jim: nope |
| 23:45.28 | RedEyess | not for the new firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 23:47.19 | PiousMinion | There is no synergy in lenny? wtf? |
| 23:47.43 | themill | !why is synergy not in testing |
| 23:47.44 | dpkg | synergy is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=synergy |
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| 23:48.43 | jeffwheeler | I'm a bit confused; with rsnapshot, should the scripts run on the backup server or the client that's backing up? The latter seems to make sense, but the former seems to be what's in the configs. |
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| 23:49.13 | themill | jeffwheeler: on the machine that has the disks onto which you will store the backups |
| 23:49.25 | jeffwheeler | themill: oh, okay; thanks |
| 23:49.58 | jeffwheeler | I had been starting to set it up on the machine that actually needed to have backups made... |
| 23:50.03 | PiousMinion | that blows |
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| 23:51.10 | themill | PiousMinion: synergy has lots of bugs (unfortunately) and has had no work from its developers for a couple of years. It's sad to see such a useful piece of software rot like this, but noone has stepped up to fix it. |
| 23:51.35 | Nyle | rot? |
| 23:51.38 | Nyle | bugs? |
| 23:51.39 | PiousMinion | themill: I've been using it for well over a year with no issues. |
| 23:51.46 | Nyle | BS. |
| 23:51.51 | themill | PiousMinion: you're quite lucky. |
| 23:51.59 | Nyle | luck has nothing to do with it |
| 23:52.03 | Nyle | it works. |
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| 23:52.13 | Nyle | I've been using it for I dunno years |
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| 23:52.16 | PiousMinion | What problems have people complained about? I see no faults |
| 23:52.23 | themill | Nyle: no it doesn't. Read the bug logs on the bts and also on sf.net. |
| 23:52.29 | themill | PiousMinion: ^^ |
| 23:52.47 | Nyle | themill, it is quite sad I agree |
| 23:52.55 | Nyle | themill, and you have not stepped up to work on it. |
| 23:53.00 | themill | Nyle: I also use it a lot. there are lots of bugs, particularly if you start mixing platforms and versions of xorg |
| 23:53.23 | themill | Nyle: I have, however, posted patches and workarounds to the sf.net trackers. |
| 23:53.53 | Nyle | good work |
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| 23:53.59 | Nyle | you want to join DENG-NG? |
| 23:54.05 | Nyle | we need developers |
| 23:54.13 | Nyle | its only me and this other cat |
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| 23:54.30 | Nyle | DENG == Doomsday engine for classic doom, NG == next generation |
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| 23:54.47 | themill | googles |
| 23:54.50 | Nyle | currently the code in 3 source files only, *by diff through original source files of doom2* |
| 23:54.53 | Nyle | er.. |
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| 23:55.12 | Nyle | currently the code is originally not updated, still under the Raven EULA |
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| 23:55.39 | Nyle | Jess left the deng project, and has forked his own, and now we're working on the 3 files, writing code from scratch |
| 23:55.49 | Nyle | when it complies with DFSG, we can get it into debian |
| 23:56.01 | dvs | says who? |
| 23:56.05 | Nyle | its been years, him and me and i think 2 other people tried to get it into debian |
| 23:56.08 | linuxjones513 | i never ever use my eth0 card, so i took it out eariler, and of coarse now, i need it, so i put it back in, but now its not working, how do i bring it back? |
| 23:56.09 | Nyle | its not compliant with dfsg |
| 23:56.21 | Nyle | dvs, says an prev. upstream author |
| 23:56.32 | Nyle | dvs, who has now forked his own so he can make it gpl compat |
| 23:56.40 | dvs | cool |
| 23:56.44 | jim | linuxjones513: so... it's not working? |
| 23:56.53 | abrotman | is it configured? |
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| 23:57.30 | linuxjones513 | i would think so, i never did anything other than just remove it, then 2 hours later put it back it, it always worked before |
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