| 00:00.06 | linuxjones513 | i hate ndiswrapper |
| 00:00.38 | linuxjones513 | and i just want it on the kernel im not using anymore |
| 00:00.45 | linuxjones513 | err.. that im about to use rather |
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| 00:02.17 | Pawbie | I still suck. |
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| 00:03.01 | Nyle | themill, what are your thoughts? |
| 00:03.17 | themill | on deng? |
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| 00:03.34 | Nyle | yessir |
| 00:03.42 | Nyle | can I interest you in a little DOOM! |
| 00:03.43 | Nyle | :) |
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| 00:03.48 | jim | what's a deng |
| 00:03.59 | Nyle | Doomsday ENGine |
| 00:04.08 | Nyle | doomsday.hq |
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| 00:04.11 | Nyle | or something |
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| 00:04.35 | themill | Nyle: nice ideas, but not a chance from this little black duck. I'm already overcommitted to opensource projects... the ones that I have already said I will work on don't get enough of my time as it is. |
| 00:04.45 | Nyle | themill, I completely understand |
| 00:04.55 | linuxjones513 | for m-a to work to install ndiswrappers, do i have to download kernel sources? |
| 00:04.56 | Nyle | but thank you for attempting to consider |
| 00:04.57 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:05.02 | themill | :) |
| 00:05.16 | Pawbie | linuxjones513: Headers at minimum, I believe. |
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| 00:06.19 | linuxjones513 | Pawbie, i have the headers installed, but it says /lib/modules/2.6.22-4 does not contain a source tree |
| 00:07.10 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, did it not install ndis or what is the problem? |
| 00:07.19 | Lagbolt | m-a didnt work? |
| 00:07.29 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, no it didnt |
| 00:07.45 | Pawbie | m-a prepare ? |
| 00:08.15 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, what is the error? can you pastebin? |
| 00:08.26 | linuxjones513 | lag yeah |
| 00:08.32 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, if you just run m-a alone it will install the source packages |
| 00:08.44 | Lagbolt | otherwise you might apt-get install the ndis kern source |
| 00:09.19 | magyar | hi, I have a dell monitor with sd card readers on the side that attach with a usb cable to the PC. If the usb cable is attached to the PC my 2.6.24 kernel crapps out with "mounting root file system" If I unplug the usb cable it works OK. The problem is not thre with 2.6.23 kernel |
| 00:09.28 | linuxjones513 | Warning, /lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686 does not contain a valid â |
| 00:09.28 | linuxjones513 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:09.51 | Lagbolt | yeah i get that like twice before it builds my packages |
| 00:10.01 | Lagbolt | do you have your headers installed |
| 00:10.26 | dvs | linuxjones513: do you have a /lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686/build link? |
| 00:11.01 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, then it says it failed how do you want to procede, and the log says |
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| 00:11.10 | stew | magyar: i'd guess that when your usb cardreader is installed the device name of your root filesystem changes. i'd recommend using a UUID in grub/fstab instead of a device name, instead of using something like "/dev/sda1" you can use "UUID=123412341324" you can discover the uuid with "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" |
| 00:12.28 | Pawbie | So for XDMCP... In gdmsetup, Security -> Configure X Server... I see only one thing listed in "Servers to Start".. Does there need to be another one added for remote? |
| 00:12.43 | magyar | stew: thank you, will do. |
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| 00:13.03 | mhall | Does anybody know a good IRC channel for networking / cabling questions? |
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| 00:13.53 | k-man_ | how do you interpret the MX line in a dig query? if it says xzy.com 14400 IN MX 0 xyz.com what does that mean? |
| 00:14.07 | Nyle | #networking |
| 00:14.11 | themill | mhall: #networking ? |
| 00:14.11 | k-man_ | ok, thanks |
| 00:14.12 | Nyle | I assume it exists |
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| 00:14.27 | Nyle | mhall, long time no see, hope things are all good |
| 00:14.27 | themill | Nyle: /msg chanserv list *networking* |
| 00:14.42 | Nyle | themill, /list *networking* |
| 00:14.49 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, try this m-a update |
| 00:14.51 | Lagbolt | then |
| 00:14.57 | Nyle | hi how are ya themill, doing alright? great :) |
| 00:14.58 | dvs | update? |
| 00:15.07 | magyar | stew: UUID's ever change? |
| 00:15.09 | Nyle | dvs, yes |
| 00:15.09 | Lagbolt | #m-a -k /lib/modules/2.6.24-04092008 -l 2.6.24-04092008 prepare <-- changing to your kern |
| 00:15.23 | Lagbolt | and then do that again changing prepare to "get" |
| 00:15.25 | themill | Nyle: /list is client dependent though.... ;) |
| 00:15.34 | Lagbolt | then "get" to "build" |
| 00:15.35 | Nyle | themill, that it is |
| 00:15.46 | Nyle | themill, who'd want to use a shitty irc client that can't even handle a /list |
| 00:15.53 | Lagbolt | see if it brings in what it needs and builds it |
| 00:16.22 | Nyle | !uuid |
| 00:16.23 | dpkg | somebody said uuid was a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 00:16.31 | themill | Nyle: istr that in the irc client that I use /list does someting rather different (never used it). |
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| 00:16.53 | linuxjones513 | in a truly horrible format, here is what m-a spits out at me |
| 00:16.57 | linuxjones513 | http://pastebin.ca/985412 |
| 00:17.01 | Nyle | well, I have aliases made in irssi, for /ns, /cs, /ms, /list, etc. etc. etc. |
| 00:17.42 | Nyle | and aliases are network smart, do I don't have to worry about network specific aliases |
| 00:17.52 | Nyle | like chanserv@dal.net or @freenode or w/e |
| 00:17.53 | themill | Nyle: seems that my for my client /list downloads from the server and processes the list of channels client side, whereas /msg chanserv list does it all server-side. |
| 00:18.22 | Nyle | themill, I like server side, mirc defautls to /list client side *that I remember* |
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| 00:18.53 | Nyle | in fact, I wonder |
| 00:19.03 | Nyle | I've never tried scriptassist.pl with offline packages |
| 00:19.31 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, sudo m-a -k /lib/modules/2.6.22-4-686 -l 2.6.22-4-686 build No package specified. STOP. |
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| 00:19.45 | intheboat | how can i listen a smb share files easily in debian etch |
| 00:19.48 | Pawbie | hm |
| 00:19.49 | Lagbolt | build ndiswrapper |
| 00:19.50 | Lagbolt | sorry |
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| 00:20.11 | Lagbolt | you did "get ndiswrapper" right? |
| 00:20.13 | Nyle | intheboat, well |
| 00:20.15 | themill | intheboat: what do you mean by "listen" |
| 00:20.17 | Lagbolt | sorry i forgot that |
| 00:20.36 | Nyle | intheboat, you can try in your gnome/kde browser/file namager * smb://server/share |
| 00:20.39 | Pawbie | intheboat: It's built in to nautilus. Look under "Places" |
| 00:20.42 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, sigh, still failed |
| 00:20.43 | Nyle | it might work, it might not |
| 00:20.53 | thedonvaughn | intheboat: smbmount //server/share /target -o username=blah,password=blah |
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| 00:21.08 | Nyle | intheboat, you could always use smbfs to mount the share to a mountpiont and go from there |
| 00:21.12 | themill | mount.cifs ftw |
| 00:21.27 | Lagbolt | same error? |
| 00:21.32 | intheboat | nyle is it a esay way to do the mount |
| 00:21.39 | themill | intheboat: smb4k |
| 00:21.46 | intheboat | i'm in gnome |
| 00:21.46 | Nyle | mount -t smbfs /from /to -o username,password |
| 00:21.48 | Nyle | etc. |
| 00:21.49 | linuxjones513 | yeah |
| 00:22.00 | Nyle | themill, kde specific innit? |
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| 00:22.24 | linuxjones513 | did prepair need ndiswrapper after it as well? |
| 00:22.31 | intheboat | thanks for all |
| 00:22.39 | vinilios_ | any good cifs documentation around, i setted up samba server and when im accessing it using cifs it treats symlinks as local ones :/ any way to avoid that behaviour ? |
| 00:23.27 | themill | Nyle: it will work under gnome, but it's designed for kde. (but gnome wasn't specified until after I had suggested it... and i still don't know what "listen a smb share files" means... doesn't that mean samba daemon?) |
| 00:23.30 | linuxjones513 | ok well now i pulled my computer back out to where i can plug it in if i can get my computer to see my eth0 card again, how would i do that? |
| 00:23.41 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, maybe we need to start back at the beginning. can you paste bin all from "dpkg -l | grep linux" and dpkg -l | grep ndis |
| 00:24.02 | Nyle | themill, of course, some people don't like to mix both kdelibs and gnomelibs, for fear of system resource hogging |
| 00:24.22 | Pawbie | stabs gdm. |
| 00:24.24 | intheboat | when i'm connect to a smb files shared : vlc can't read |
| 00:24.25 | Nyle | this one dude I know, ran gnome and kde apps and java apps all on 128mb ram and 866mhz p3 |
| 00:24.29 | Nyle | simultaneously |
| 00:24.48 | Nyle | he had to wait 30 seconds or so in order to switch windows, but he did it, crazy bastard |
| 00:24.51 | Nyle | points to me |
| 00:24.55 | abrotman | Pawbie: you might want to ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 00:25.11 | themill | Nyle: quite true. But if someone has a preference and is going to reject ideas from the desktop they don't use, then they may as well tell us that up front. |
| 00:25.18 | Pawbie | ya? |
| 00:25.19 | Pawbie | hm |
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| 00:25.26 | linuxjones513 | http://pastebin.ca/985426 the first one |
| 00:26.19 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, http://pastebin.ca/985427 is ndis |
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| 00:27.30 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, ill be back in a few seconds |
| 00:27.41 | Nyle | intheboat, happened to me too. While in smb:// in konqueror in KDE, I was unable to play my files for some odd reason. When I mounted the smb share though, it was fine. The error I believe was somthing along the lines of amarok can't find this file or something or other |
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| 00:28.08 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, ok |
| 00:28.13 | Nyle | intheboat, I'm not sure if it was a bug in konqueror' samba kioslave |
| 00:28.22 | Nyle | or a bug in w/e |
| 00:28.37 | Nyle | or amarok |
| 00:28.42 | intheboat | it works well with smbfs |
| 00:28.54 | Nyle | intheboat, does nautilus have smb:// support? |
| 00:29.00 | intheboat | no |
| 00:29.07 | Nyle | wow gnome still sucks! |
| 00:29.10 | Nyle | imo. |
| 00:29.20 | Pawbie | I'm pretty sure nautilus does.... |
| 00:29.28 | intheboat | totem can read smb but vlc can't do |
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| 00:29.49 | Nyle | well maybe vlc wasn't made to handle it itself |
| 00:29.58 | intheboat | nautilis mount not realy localy :) |
| 00:30.01 | Nyle | though if a share is 'mounted' then it reads it as locally |
| 00:30.11 | Nyle | in a sense |
| 00:30.11 | abrotman | Nyle: it could be xine .. |
| 00:30.15 | Nyle | possibly |
| 00:30.18 | Pawbie | intheboat: We must be using some seriously different software... |
| 00:30.35 | abrotman | nautilus in etch was broken .. no smb support |
| 00:30.37 | intheboat | try whith vlc |
| 00:30.48 | intheboat | thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanks |
| 00:30.55 | intheboat | in sid it woeks ? |
| 00:30.59 | intheboat | works |
| 00:31.04 | Nyle | oh boy |
| 00:31.06 | Pawbie | abrotman: In Etch it crashes, but it's there, I thought. |
| 00:31.09 | abrotman | in sid .. it might work today .. might be broken tomorrow |
| 00:31.12 | Nyle | sid does not exist. |
| 00:31.16 | abrotman | Pawbie: i thought it was totally absent |
| 00:31.18 | intheboat | :))))))))))))) |
| 00:31.27 | Nyle | sid is a figment of your 'non-developer/tester' imagination |
| 00:31.35 | Nyle | :) |
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| 00:32.03 | intheboat | Nyle i need to have a smb share har drive to liste musics in a great musicc bar |
| 00:32.20 | Nyle | better get mounting through smbfs then |
| 00:32.31 | themill | CIFS! |
| 00:32.33 | intheboat | yes |
| 00:32.34 | Nyle | cuz trust me, for something as trivial as that, you don't want to go to sid |
| 00:32.48 | Nyle | themill, sit down |
| 00:32.49 | Nyle | lol |
| 00:33.08 | themill | I'm crashed out on the couch.... trust me, I'm chilled ;) |
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| 00:33.21 | Pawbie | hmm.. I wonder if I'm very confused. |
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| 00:33.41 | Nyle | Pawbie, if you think that you are consfused then.... |
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| 00:33.44 | Nyle | you just might be. |
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| 00:34.02 | intheboat | CIFS ???? |
| 00:34.09 | abrotman | !cifs |
| 00:34.09 | dpkg | [cifs] Common Internet File System or see <SMB>, or it is basically SMB without <NBT> |
| 00:34.11 | jim | coincidently, I;m confused about being in wonder... |
| 00:34.20 | Nyle | google, !dpkgbot, !cifs |
| 00:34.41 | intheboat | Nyle i have a pub in brussel |
| 00:34.48 | Nyle | jim, I'm actually not confused for the first time in my life. |
| 00:34.53 | Nyle | its a great feeling |
| 00:34.57 | intheboat | i have a pc whith debian etch in raid |
| 00:35.08 | intheboat | whith samba share |
| 00:35.11 | Nyle | intheboat, don't do nothing to your box buddy, just mount the samba share |
| 00:35.14 | Nyle | fuck smb:// man |
| 00:35.18 | jim | what had you been confused about? |
| 00:35.19 | Nyle | just mount the fucker and call it a day |
| 00:35.27 | intheboat | ok thanks |
| 00:35.43 | Pawbie | I don't usually bother with remote X sessions unless it's a temporary vncserver. |
| 00:35.49 | Nyle | jim, direction, taking others advice and never knwoing what I wanted, never having a plan, got too old and realized oh shit, better straighten up |
| 00:35.57 | intheboat | i use vlc to play music and video i think my issue comme from vlc |
| 00:35.58 | themill | intheboat: aptitude install smbfs && man mount.cifs |
| 00:36.05 | Nyle | jim, I haven't smoked pot in about a month amost, 3 weeks to be sure i knnow |
| 00:36.07 | Pawbie | Boss wants to use X over the network "like he can in SuSE10"... So is that remote by XDMCP or VNC? |
| 00:36.08 | intheboat | thanks |
| 00:36.15 | intheboat | thanks for alll |
| 00:36.32 | Nyle | Pawbie, just applications, use sshx |
| 00:36.40 | jim | you can use xdmcp |
| 00:36.41 | intheboat | when you come in brussel your are all invited to drink :) |
| 00:36.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | Pawbie, X over the network is XDMCP, but you could use VNC (which would be more secure) |
| 00:36.47 | Nyle | Pawbie, for full desktop, XDMCP |
| 00:36.54 | Nyle | !sshx |
| 00:36.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither <xhost>, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html, or try ... |
| 00:37.07 | Pawbie | Yea, so full desktop (XDMCP) requires an Xserver, ya? VNC just needs a VNC client... |
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| 00:37.39 | Pawbie | So the remote in gdmsetup is XDMCP (requires Xserver), !vnc, correct? |
| 00:37.40 | Nyle | Pawbie, eh.. yes |
| 00:37.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | Pawbie, it needs a DM, and client xorg libs |
| 00:38.07 | jim | an x server is required to see anything or to move the mouse |
| 00:38.37 | intheboat | thanks for all |
| 00:38.41 | Nyle | vncserver launches an Xserver (in a sense) in a display and it requires that you have X server and client libs installed as well as a of course a window manager and w/e else |
| 00:38.45 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser, no |
| 00:38.52 | Nyle | Kamping_Kaiser, DM is not essential |
| 00:39.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | Nyle, really? hm. |
| 00:39.18 | Pawbie | So what is it he's wanting use from Suse10? I'm going to assume it's VNC... |
| 00:39.23 | Nyle | it needs a configured Xsession |
| 00:39.24 | Nyle | thats all |
| 00:39.39 | Nyle | you can configure your own little X session in some vncserver cofnig rile in ~/ |
| 00:40.00 | jim | there;s a coupla ways to go, one is use xdmcp which does require a dm (which is a sorta weird client) |
| 00:40.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | Pawbie, we dont know what suse uses ... |
| 00:40.10 | Nyle | its explained in man vncserver actually |
| 00:40.11 | Nyle | i think |
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| 00:41.00 | Pawbie | What's KDE use? |
| 00:41.10 | Nyle | Pawbie, regarding? |
| 00:41.28 | Nyle | kde has a frontend gui for rdesktop, vnc, etc. etc. |
| 00:41.48 | Pawbie | Must find SuSE box to harass... |
| 00:41.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | and kdm can be used to handle remote xorg's |
| 00:41.55 | Nyle | absolutely |
| 00:42.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | Pawbie, or ask in #suse ;) |
| 00:42.15 | Nyle | kdm can serve itself up on as many client machines as the server can handle |
| 00:42.22 | Nyle | a kdm login prompt through xdmcp on each client |
| 00:42.31 | themill | Pawbie: krdc for vnc and rdp |
| 00:42.47 | Nyle | themill, don't tell me |
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| 00:42.50 | Nyle | you are a KDE user? |
| 00:43.06 | Nyle | well I mean |
| 00:43.10 | themill | yes |
| 00:43.13 | Nyle | actually DO tell me, that was just a figure or speech |
| 00:43.19 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, find anything? |
| 00:43.20 | Nyle | awesome, you are even cooler in my book |
| 00:43.56 | Pawbie | So both XDMCP and remotehost:0 on VNC work. |
| 00:44.14 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, looks like you have what you need installed. do you have a wired connection? |
| 00:44.15 | Pawbie | ...and no one ever changed this things default password... |
| 00:44.51 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, usually, but i took the nic out today, and now when i put it back in it does not how do i bring that back up? |
| 00:44.56 | Lagbolt | not sure why compile errors. i have to go for a lil while . . work related. i will be back in ac ouple hours if you still have trouble i can walk thru it with you |
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| 00:45.01 | zyx386 | hi |
| 00:45.07 | Nyle | hi |
| 00:45.12 | Lagbolt | took it out of interfaces? |
| 00:45.22 | zyx386 | what ist alternatibe ftp client to filezilla on Lenny' |
| 00:45.27 | linuxjones513 | to it out of the computer |
| 00:45.28 | Nyle | filezilla |
| 00:45.33 | jim | ftp |
| 00:45.35 | Nyle | works on lenny doesn't it |
| 00:45.41 | Nyle | ncftp, gftp |
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| 00:45.46 | Nyle | ftp itself I guess |
| 00:45.53 | Nyle | !search |
| 00:45.53 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 00:45.53 | Lagbolt | oh well put it back in :) |
| 00:46.00 | frankr | hey guys I need a really quick and easy firewall that can just open specific ports and block all others, any ideas |
| 00:46.09 | Nyle | !firewall |
| 00:46.09 | Lagbolt | oh you did |
| 00:46.09 | dpkg | firewall is probably a boundary (usually a computer or network apliance) between your private network and the public internet. see gibraltar, or a firewall can't protect the computer it's running on, or check out http://www.sf.net/projects/shellter for an iptables-based firewall with built-in ssh brute force protection |
| 00:46.14 | frankr | I had one at one point that configured IPtables automatically it was really just a script |
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| 00:46.17 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, i did, and now it does not work. do i need to allow hotplug in interfaces? |
| 00:46.23 | themill | !why is filezilla not in testing |
| 00:46.23 | dpkg | filezilla is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=filezilla |
| 00:46.27 | themill | ^^ Nyle |
| 00:46.32 | linuxjones513 | maybe i took that out when i put this wireless card in |
| 00:46.40 | Nyle | themill, didn't know it was take nout |
| 00:46.43 | Lagbolt | oh in the slot |
| 00:46.53 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, yeah |
| 00:46.56 | abrotman | themill: but where's wx2.8 now? |
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| 00:47.07 | Nyle | etch? |
| 00:47.11 | Lagbolt | yeah i think it needs to hotplug. i have to go. maybe someone else can get your nic up if not i will be back :( sorry i work calls |
| 00:47.12 | Nyle | wild guess |
| 00:47.25 | linuxjones513 | no problem, thanks for the help |
| 00:47.26 | themill | abrotman: still in experimental.... |
| 00:47.37 | themill | abrotman: and where's wally? |
| 00:47.43 | Nyle | fuck wally |
| 00:47.44 | Nyle | where's waldo? |
| 00:47.50 | Nyle | :D |
| 00:48.09 | abrotman | themill: lovely |
| 00:48.12 | cizzi | nyle - how are you |
| 00:48.12 | dpkg | cizzi: eh, ok |
| 00:48.12 | aptitude | peachy, cizzi |
| 00:48.14 | linuxjones513 | so could anyone help me get my nick working again? i took it out of the computer this morning and when i put it back in it does not work, how can i bring it back up? |
| 00:48.32 | Nyle | cizzi, I am excellent thank you. How are you doing? |
| 00:48.38 | Penix | linuxjones513: what are you talking about? |
| 00:48.42 | cizzi | nyle - good thanks.. do you know the magainze popular science? |
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| 00:48.48 | Nyle | cizzi, why ? |
| 00:49.06 | cizzi | nyle - well I plan to advertise my service on that magainze, wanted your opinion on that |
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| 00:49.19 | Nyle | cizzi, thats fine, but its not really debian related. |
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| 00:49.26 | Nyle | abrotman |
| 00:49.29 | Nyle | stew |
| 00:49.31 | cizzi | nyle - what do you suggest? |
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| 00:49.54 | linuxjones513 | Penix, my enetwork card, i took it out of my computer this morning, and now i need it so i put it back in, but its not in ifconfig anymore |
| 00:49.54 | Nyle | cizzi, I don't know enough about advertising to give any kind of feedback. #defocus |
| 00:50.04 | themill | Nyle: outside .us, where's waldo is called "where's wally" |
| 00:50.12 | Nyle | themill, ohhh really? |
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| 00:50.16 | Penix | linuxjones513: then it's nic, not nick |
| 00:50.16 | Nyle | ahh didn't know that |
| 00:50.22 | cizzi | whats defocus about? social? |
| 00:50.25 | Nyle | yes |
| 00:50.29 | abrotman | that's a good way to get your channel closed :) |
| 00:50.41 | Nyle | what? |
| 00:50.54 | linuxjones513 | Penix, oops i typed it wrong |
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| 00:51.19 | Nyle | oh |
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| 00:52.17 | Nyle | in piglagin, it is "ebianday" |
| 00:52.26 | Nyle | amusing. |
| 00:52.45 | themill | Nyle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where's_Waldo |
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| 00:55.28 | frankr | shellter didn't really work it just made iptables spit out a bunch of bad argument errors |
| 00:55.31 | frankr | o_O |
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| 00:56.26 | Nyle | cool |
| 00:57.01 | Nyle | themill, pakistan/urdu, "Wattu kahan hai?" |
| 00:57.15 | Nyle | actually, Vattu |
| 00:57.29 | linuxjones513 | anybody? |
| 00:57.43 | Nyle | means where's vuttoo or vattu w/e |
| 00:58.05 | frankr | can anyone suggest a simple firewall that I can block all but some ports with |
| 00:58.09 | frankr | .. that isn't in the factoid |
| 00:58.26 | Nyle | frankr, firedog |
| 00:58.26 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:58.30 | Nyle | or something |
| 00:58.39 | Nyle | apt-cache search firewall|less |
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| 00:59.25 | frankr | well I don't wanna just.. install them one by one on the list ;P I could do that on my own, I want some subjective opinions |
| 00:59.35 | frankr | but apparently nobody has any on firewalls so whatev I'll just do that |
| 00:59.36 | Nyle | learn iptables! |
| 00:59.51 | frankr | .. I have to set this up by wednesday ;P |
| 01:00.41 | abrotman | that's two days! |
| 01:01.02 | linuxjones513 | how can i find out what mod my eth card uses |
| 01:01.07 | Penix | linuxjones513: google |
| 01:01.09 | abrotman | ethtool -i eth0 |
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| 01:02.14 | Penix | frankr: everything you're going to find will just be a frontend to iptables/netfilter |
| 01:03.10 | bipolar | frankr: I use Fwbuilder |
| 01:03.33 | bipolar | frankr: but thats on a corporate firewall |
| 01:03.40 | bipolar | not exactly simple |
| 01:03.53 | frankr | Penix: I know, but some are simpler than others |
| 01:04.01 | Nyle | bipolar, you have two poles? |
| 01:04.01 | frankr | I just need something that I can use to close all but basic ports |
| 01:04.10 | Nyle | hahahaha I'm sorry I could not resist :) |
| 01:04.10 | bipolar | Nyle: indeed |
| 01:04.13 | Penix | some hold your hand and prevent you from learning anything more than others |
| 01:04.29 | Penix | frankr: what's 'basic ports' mean? |
| 01:04.33 | Nyle | actuallypenix is right |
| 01:04.39 | bipolar | frankr: you want this for your workstation or for a server? |
| 01:04.45 | Penix | frankr: what you want to do would take under 30 seconds to achieve with iptables |
| 01:04.48 | frankr | it's for a server but not one thats gonna be doing too much |
| 01:04.52 | Nyle | if you learn the underlying iptables, you can use ANY firewall FE to configure, give FE is good enough |
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| 01:04.59 | bipolar | frankr: take a look at fwbuilder |
| 01:05.07 | themill | !g'night |
| 01:05.08 | bipolar | frankr: it's pretty easy to pick up on. |
| 01:05.08 | dpkg | Sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite :) |
| 01:05.21 | linuxjones513 | abrotman, the only thing is eth0 is not loaded, i modprobed agpgart because i found something online that said it was the module for the card, (actually it said it was agpgart-ali but i removed the last bit and it worked) and its still not in ifconfig |
| 01:05.22 | john_browen | is there a update kernel package I can just install, or do I need to go from the source package? |
| 01:05.32 | Nyle | john_browen, backported for etch? |
| 01:05.35 | Nyle | try !bpo |
| 01:05.43 | Penix | linuxjones513: see that 'agp' part in the name of that driver? have a think about it |
| 01:05.46 | Nyle | you sure can always build a new one |
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| 01:06.21 | abrotman | linuxjones513: agpgart has *nothing* to do with your network |
| 01:06.30 | abrotman | john_browen: update to/from what? |
| 01:06.37 | Nyle | john_browen, unless there is a need requiring a newker kernel on etch, feel free to build one, but if you don't, then if it aint broke, donn't fix it |
| 01:06.57 | Nyle | john_browen, assuming you're on etch |
| 01:07.06 | Nyle | like every good little debian boy and girl |
| 01:07.09 | linuxjones513 | abrotman, doh, im clueless then, im pretty new to all of this |
| 01:07.11 | Penix | linuxjones513: lspci |grep Ethernet then hit google |
| 01:07.14 | Nyle | s/etch/stable |
| 01:07.16 | john_browen | well I'm getting moaned at when I try to mount (using ntfs-3g) about a deficient kernel. So I wanted to up from .18 to (from what I see) 2.6.24 |
| 01:07.27 | Nyle | hmm |
| 01:07.33 | john_browen | sorry about late response |
| 01:07.34 | Nyle | ntfs-3g is backported for etch I know |
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| 01:07.53 | Nyle | and I've never used it on etch, but ... it should work with .18 if thats whats in etch |
| 01:08.04 | Nyle | unless the backported ntfs3g also required a backported newer kernel |
| 01:08.15 | john_browen | it works from my use so far, Im just a little worried about the message |
| 01:08.30 | Nyle | john_browen, how did you obtain ntfs-3g |
| 01:08.53 | john_browen | unsafe respository |
| 01:08.53 | linuxjones513 | thats what i was trying, and lspci has nothing in it dealing with ethernet |
| 01:08.55 | john_browen | or nonfree |
| 01:08.59 | john_browen | whatever the term is |
| 01:09.23 | Nyle | john_browen, etch non-free does not contain ntfs-3g |
| 01:09.25 | Nyle | !ntfs-3tg |
| 01:09.26 | Nyle | !ntfs-3g |
| 01:09.27 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
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| 01:09.31 | peppe | linuxjones513: maybe "network controller"? paste that on a pastebin |
| 01:10.24 | john_browen | maybe unstable is where I pulled it from then? |
| 01:10.30 | Nyle | don't do that |
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| 01:10.38 | Nyle | thats whats going to eat your data one day |
| 01:10.50 | Nyle | well not really but you know what I mean |
| 01:10.55 | Nyle | !bobbit |
| 01:10.57 | Nyle | no? |
| 01:11.05 | john_browen | then how do I go about getting ntfs support the "right way"? |
| 01:11.12 | Nyle | john_browen, you've been told what to do properly to get etch/ntfs3g |
| 01:11.12 | linuxjones513 | http://pastebin.ca/985460 is my lspci |
| 01:11.18 | Nyle | john_browen, good luck. |
| 01:11.28 | john_browen | ack, I didn't even see it |
| 01:11.31 | john_browen | i'll scroll... |
| 01:11.41 | Nyle | !tell john_browen -about ntfs-eg |
| 01:11.44 | Nyle | !tell john_browen -about ntfs-3g |
| 01:11.47 | Nyle | !tell john_browen -about bpo |
| 01:11.52 | Pawbie | woo, I'm on a roll. |
| 01:11.58 | peppe | linuxjones513: that's a wireless card? |
| 01:11.59 | john_browen | thanks Nyle |
| 01:12.02 | Nyle | sure |
| 01:12.08 | Pawbie | Not only do I have the boss logging in with xming, but he's authenticating against AD, too. |
| 01:12.19 | Nyle | xming? |
| 01:12.25 | Nyle | hes on windows |
| 01:12.26 | Nyle | oh boy |
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| 01:12.30 | Pawbie | ya :\ |
| 01:12.41 | Nyle | what does he need to run on linux? |
| 01:13.03 | Pawbie | This weird POS software he's trying out. |
| 01:13.03 | linuxjones513 | peppe, i have the wireless card, but it dosent work in the kernel 2.6.22-4 kernel i need for my tv tuner card, so im trying to get this eth0 card working so i can hop on that and install ndiswrappers on it |
| 01:13.11 | Nyle | and how can he authenticate against AD using Xming/xdmcp or Xming/sshx ????? |
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| 01:13.21 | Nyle | what in satan's name are you on about? |
| 01:13.44 | Nyle | you can't authenticate against AD if you are not loggint into a AD domain |
| 01:13.49 | Pawbie | Nyle: Winbind + pam |
| 01:14.01 | Nyle | well I have been under a rock? |
| 01:14.15 | Nyle | Pawbie, neat, i shall look into this and see whats up |
| 01:14.30 | Nyle | btw, before I waste my time |
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| 01:14.39 | Nyle | Pawbie, what exactly are you doing? does that do? |
| 01:14.57 | Pawbie | Standby. |
| 01:15.08 | Nyle | standing by... |
| 01:15.23 | Pawbie | nyle: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/battista/articles/winbindenterprise/winbindenterprise.pdf |
| 01:15.24 | Nyle | innocently bystanding |
| 01:15.43 | Nyle | Pawbie, nonfree windows softwarE? |
| 01:16.08 | Pawbie | ya |
| 01:16.21 | Pawbie | The guy loves linux, but.. it's a long story. |
| 01:16.27 | peppe | linuxjones513: wait a moment, there is no other network device in that pastebin. are you trying to get that card working? |
| 01:16.51 | Nyle | why... do you need a windows 2000+ server in a pub? for fucks sake? |
| 01:17.01 | Pawbie | Nyle: And if you ever get the chance to work in Education.... Windows is (practically) free. I can't even get these guys to scrap MSSQL. |
| 01:17.06 | linuxjones513 | im trying to get a eth0 card working, i know its not in lspci i dont know why but it isnt |
| 01:17.15 | Nyle | Pawbie, I do work in education |
| 01:17.19 | Nyle | Pawbie, only on the books |
| 01:17.31 | Nyle | Pawbie, I have a free copy of w/e MS software CS students get |
| 01:17.51 | Pawbie | Nyle: Enterprise stuff is about the same rate. |
| 01:18.03 | Nyle | Pawbie, I live in NYC |
| 01:18.09 | peppe | linuxjones513: "eth0" is the name that the linux kernel gives to the network interface. what is your *physical* network device? that wireless card or what? have you a wired ethernet connection? |
| 01:18.15 | Nyle | I can get any kinda copyright, anykind of key, any bootleg |
| 01:18.21 | Pawbie | Nyle: I think we paid some $125 for our first SQL server, and they've just given us licenses for the rest of the cluster (12 machines now). |
| 01:18.21 | Nyle | hot hardware for cheap |
| 01:18.25 | Nyle | you name it, this city has it |
| 01:19.18 | Nyle | usually for software I don't pay, but then again, I am anal, so I use only really free stuff |
| 01:19.23 | Nyle | not stuff I got for free :) |
| 01:19.25 | abrotman | #debian ? |
| 01:19.31 | linuxjones513 | peppe, wth wireless card is wlan0, and it is up and running, how i am speaking here now, i tok this very same nic out this morning when it was working fine, because i didnt think i would need it anymore, and now i do, but when i put it back in the computer, it no longer works |
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| 01:20.16 | Pawbie | Nyle: Not my choice, though. :) And really, situations like this are the boilerplate for the argument. You have free (as in beer, freedom) software and you have extremely-cheap stuff that people are accustomed to. |
| 01:20.34 | Pawbie | So as far as the 3 letter crew knows, Windows is free (as in beer and freedom). |
| 01:20.37 | Nyle | Pawbie, of course, extremely cheap is usually better than free |
| 01:20.46 | Nyle | Pawbie, people think they are getting something when they spend money |
| 01:20.59 | Nyle | even when they really know deep down they are paying for crap |
| 01:21.04 | abrotman | really .. #debian-offtopic |
| 01:21.06 | Nyle | but its to cheap, that it doesn't matter |
| 01:21.09 | Nyle | oh right, sorry |
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| 01:21.18 | Pawbie | Nyle: Besides... "free" seems to be a nasty word that makes people think "valueless." Vista appearantly has as lot of "value". |
| 01:21.43 | Nyle | Pawbie, English pub with win2k servers and debian servers/clients |
| 01:21.49 | Nyle | thats just... wow man, beyond me |
| 01:21.51 | Nyle | but anyway |
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| 01:22.31 | Pawbie | One step at a time... |
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| 01:22.50 | FFEMTcJ | any ideas when lenny will be stable? |
| 01:22.57 | Nyle | yes |
| 01:22.59 | peleg | I am trying gawk '!/$exStr/' /home/peleg/bash/alarm/alarm-playlist-tmp >> /home/peleg/bash/alarm/alarm-playlist - but it's not working, while the contents of $exStr is classic|pink and gawk '!/classic|pink/' /home/peleg/bash/alarm/alarm-playlist-tmp >> /home/peleg/bash/alarm/alarm-playlist works. maybe I am escaping/quoting too much / not enough? |
| 01:23.09 | Nyle | !wir |
| 01:23.09 | dpkg | i heard wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | FFEMTcJ: /msg dpkg wwlr |
| 01:24.04 | Nyle | whats the rc bug count at this time? |
| 01:24.11 | Nyle | off the top ofyer noggin' |
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| 01:24.23 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
| 01:24.31 | abrotman | last i looked .. over 400 |
| 01:24.46 | FFEMTcJ | abrotman: ty |
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| 01:24.56 | Nyle | wow |
| 01:24.58 | abrotman | though i forget where the real RC bug page is |
| 01:24.59 | Nyle | the shit is quite holy. |
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| 01:26.57 | Nyle | check out some bug squashing parties, all nighters in #debian-bus |
| 01:26.58 | Nyle | bugs |
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| 01:27.10 | Nyle | help to patch people |
| 01:27.21 | Nyle | you want lenny to go stable, offer your help! |
| 01:27.35 | Pawbie | ....if only we could patch people.... |
| 01:27.38 | Nyle | thanks |
| 01:27.41 | Nyle | Pawbie, hahahaha |
| 01:27.47 | Nyle | good one man, good one |
| 01:27.57 | Nyle | Pawbie, I can only patch chics... |
| 01:27.59 | Nyle | ahem |
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| 01:28.55 | Nyle | abrotman, http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/all.html ? |
| 01:29.05 | abrotman | no ... |
| 01:29.10 | Pawbie | Speaking of patching people... "I started alien arena and it stopped responding." |
| 01:29.22 | abrotman | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
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| 01:31.05 | Pawbie | Hey, thanks everyone! |
| 01:31.42 | peleg | is it possible to make gawk case insensitive? I tried to put "IGNORECASE=1" in the beginning of the script, but it didn't work |
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| 01:34.44 | Nyle | dpkg squashbug is PEOPLE! Do you want Debian/testing to get stable faster than fat Junebugs in thick molasses? http://people.debian.org/~vorlon/rc-bugsquashing.html - then - http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical - also see <exp4bugs> |
| 01:34.44 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
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| 01:35.40 | abrotman | couldn't you just point them at the BTS or #debian-bugs? |
| 01:35.41 | abrotman | jeez |
| 01:36.08 | Nyle | no |
| 01:36.10 | Nyle | I could not |
| 01:36.15 | abrotman | useless |
| 01:36.19 | Nyle | you're useless |
| 01:36.26 | do_guh_new | lol |
| 01:36.29 | Nyle | :) |
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| 01:36.42 | linuxjones513 | ok, so now when i try to use the ndiswrapper one-liner in kernel 2.6.22-4 i get this in the build log |
| 01:36.46 | linuxjones513 | http://pastebin.ca/985478 |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman | your kernel is out of date to start with |
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| 01:38.05 | Nyle | abrotman, the release critical bug squashing primer for non maintainers is not linked anywhere except in that factoid, and that link is from my bookmarks of debian dev docs etc. |
| 01:38.08 | linuxjones513 | abrotman, its the kernel i have to use for the t tuner card i got |
| 01:38.24 | linuxjones513 | abrotman, tv tuner card, sorry |
| 01:38.24 | Nyle | abrotman, if you have a problem with the factoid, you can make it better yourself |
| 01:38.32 | Nyle | abrotman, don't just bitch, take action. |
| 01:38.37 | do_guh_new | your kernel is fine man |
| 01:38.39 | abrotman | so you've been fixing bugs right? |
| 01:38.45 | abrotman | linuxjones513: ah ok |
| 01:38.48 | Nyle | some |
| 01:38.53 | Nyle | ones that I am able to work on sure |
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| 01:39.13 | linuxjones513 | do_guh_new, do you know what the problem may be? |
| 01:39.15 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:39.18 | abrotman | !rc bugs |
| 01:39.19 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
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| 01:39.31 | abrotman | if you actually knew how to use the bot |
| 01:39.54 | Nyle | abrotman, I know how.. I just don't care to argue with you |
| 01:39.59 | abrotman | then stop already |
| 01:40.01 | Nyle | be right, be merry, enjoy |
| 01:40.13 | do_guh_new | linuxjones513: dont do much work with ndiswrapper sorry |
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| 01:40.39 | do_guh_new | just do go out and build a new kernel expecting it to fix everything (unless your kernel is acient) |
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| 01:40.54 | do_guh_new | and 2.6.22 sure as hell isnt ancient |
| 01:40.58 | Nyle | abrotman, you are fucking blind man it seems |
| 01:41.02 | Nyle | http://people.debian.org/~vorlon/rc-bugsquashing.html |
| 01:41.18 | Nyle | but then again what do I know, I don't even know how to use the bot |
| 01:41.23 | abrotman | so much fo "not wanting to argue" |
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| 01:41.47 | Nyle | is that it? |
| 01:41.53 | Nyle | thats all you got? |
| 01:41.56 | Nyle | hmph. |
| 01:41.59 | abrotman | for what? |
| 01:42.03 | do_guh_new | ducks punches |
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| 01:44.17 | rgr | when I do "sudo modprobe acpi_cpufreq" then cpu scaling works. But adding acpi_cpufreq to /etc/modules, cpu scaling does not work. Any ideas? |
| 01:44.43 | Nyle | rgr, does not work as in...? |
| 01:44.58 | Nyle | rgr, the module is loaded? scaling is not working? |
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| 01:46.16 | rgr | module loaded. scaling not working. gnome sclaing applet crashes on taskbar. |
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| 01:48.08 | rgr | brb |
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| 01:49.18 | JyZyXEL | there is a packet called python-sexy |
| 01:49.29 | new2this | does anyone know where I can find debian-update-3.1r5-sparc-1.iso or debian-31r5-sparc-binary-2.iso ? |
| 01:49.31 | Penix | probably a python module of libsexy |
| 01:49.39 | JyZyXEL | makes me giggle |
| 01:49.39 | Penix | which has since been renamed IIRC |
| 01:50.11 | new2this | google gives a few hits, but they are all of szie zero |
| 01:50.22 | new2this | s/szie/size/ |
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| 01:51.11 | Penix | new2this: why do you want an image like that? box has no internet connection? |
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| 01:51.24 | new2this | yes |
| 01:52.08 | new2this | I also found a post be someone who found that they worked for the hardware in question |
| 01:52.13 | h2os | tying to mount ramdisk after mkfs.ext2, i get "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/ram0" any suggestions? |
| 01:52.20 | abrotman | new2this: you're going to have to look at the debian-cd mirrors |
| 01:52.51 | new2this | I think that's the links google gave, no dice, file size=0 |
| 01:53.23 | new2this | it did work for the rest of the set I need though |
| 01:54.02 | peleg | I can't escape quotes properly - I am trying to make gawk echo "$1", but any escaping method fail... |
| 01:54.07 | hooh | ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 01:55.31 | abrotman | new2this: you don't need the -update- unless the system has no internet |
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| 01:56.14 | new2this | abrotman: that is correct; no net |
| 01:56.17 | linuxjones513 | would installing "testing" give me a kernel newer than 2.6.22-4? |
| 01:57.02 | hooh | 2.6.24 |
| 01:57.08 | abrotman | linuxjones513: /msg dpkg bpo .. backports.org has one for etch |
| 01:57.53 | abrotman | new2this: http://debian.mirror.inra.fr/debian-cd/3.1_r5/sparc/iso-cd/ .. google found that |
| 01:58.39 | linuxjones513 | stable is 2.6.18 correct? |
| 01:58.40 | frankr | hey, where can I find a bluetooth tutorial or something |
| 01:58.49 | new2this | abrotman: take a look at the file size |
| 01:58.52 | frankr | just want to be able to receive files pushed from a camera |
| 01:58.54 | Penix | frankr: google |
| 01:58.59 | Penix | where else? |
| 01:59.01 | abrotman | new2this: for which file .. i see numerous there |
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| 01:59.11 | frankr | google isn't proving to be very useful |
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| 01:59.20 | Penix | frankr: you're obviously not looking hard enough |
| 01:59.28 | Penix | there are shitloads of howtos around |
| 01:59.31 | new2this | debian-update-3.1r5-sparc-1.iso and debian-31r5-sparc-binary-2.iso |
| 01:59.39 | Penix | I've gone through several of them myself |
| 02:00.01 | Nyle | or maybe not searching with good keywords |
| 02:00.20 | Nyle | or perhaps not reading the results, only looking for what you searched for? |
| 02:00.23 | Penix | which, to me, falls under 'not looking hard enough' |
| 02:00.27 | h2os | is there a maximum allowed size ramdisk (not just your physical amount of ram) |
| 02:00.39 | Nyle | Penix, of course it does now that I think about it |
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| 02:00.53 | cast | evening all |
| 02:00.56 | Nyle | hey cast |
| 02:01.03 | dondelelcaro | h2os: not to my knowledge |
| 02:01.31 | abrotman | new2this: you could try with jigdo |
| 02:02.03 | new2this | I don't have a system with a) a fast conncetion and b) root. So, no joy |
| 02:02.12 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:02.26 | new2this | Ain't I just SOL today |
| 02:03.34 | Nyle | is tasksel the only way to preseed the installer with which packages to install after the base system? |
| 02:03.39 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: no. |
| 02:03.50 | Nyle | oh... where else could I look/specify this |
| 02:03.55 | Nyle | it seems to be eluding me at this time |
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| 02:04.13 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: you can presseed a script to run which causes whatever packages you want to be installed to be installed |
| 02:04.20 | Nyle | I see |
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| 02:04.37 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, easy enough, thank you |
| 02:04.40 | dondelelcaro | (I personally haven't done it myself, but there's no reason why it can't be done; the documentation is google-able) |
| 02:04.47 | Nyle | I shall check it out |
| 02:04.57 | new2this | is there anywhere else I should look for them IOS's? |
| 02:05.04 | Nyle | iso* |
| 02:05.37 | Nyle | new2this, how about a debian based live cd, DSL, damn small linux? 50mb donwload, would that serve your purpose? |
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| 02:05.47 | Penix | Nyle: sparc |
| 02:05.52 | Nyle | oh |
| 02:05.55 | Nyle | sol. |
| 02:06.03 | new2this | nods |
| 02:06.04 | Nyle | sorry bro, imo |
| 02:06.05 | h2os | strange 1gb ramdisk = no joy, but 256mb = joy |
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| 02:07.30 | new2this | <new2this> abrotman: that is correct; no net |
| 02:07.30 | new2this | <linuxjones513> would installing "testing" give me a kernel newer than 2.6.22-4? |
| 02:07.30 | new2this | <hooh> 2.6.24 |
| 02:07.30 | new2this | <abrotman> linuxjones513: /msg dpkg bpo .. backports.org has one for etch |
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| 02:07.58 | abrotman | cute |
| 02:08.04 | hooh | holy..... |
| 02:08.05 | mactimes | wtf?? |
| 02:08.37 | jim | evidently new2this. |
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| 02:08.46 | Penix | !rimshot |
| 02:08.46 | dpkg | BA-DUM-TSHT! |
| 02:09.01 | dondelelcaro | new2this: why are you looking for r5 instead of r8 (or r7?) |
| 02:09.18 | dondelelcaro | h2os: is this a 32bit architecture? |
| 02:09.20 | cast | gone bro |
| 02:09.38 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i think he's just looking for the ISOs .. which don't seem to exist |
| 02:09.49 | h2os | dondelelcaro, 64bit w/6Gb ram |
| 02:09.52 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: they may not exist for r5, but they do for r7 |
| 02:10.08 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: not on cdimage.debian.org that i see |
| 02:10.21 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r7/sparc/iso-cd/ |
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| 02:10.42 | abrotman | i tried to find the archive dir .. but failed .. |
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| 02:11.02 | dondelelcaro | h2os: with a 64bit kernel, right? |
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| 02:11.24 | dondelelcaro | h2os: and 64 bit userland? |
| 02:11.33 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: are they planning to put other archived ISO versions up there? |
| 02:11.45 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I've no clue |
| 02:11.53 | h2os | dondelelcaro, yes & yes |
| 02:11.56 | rgr | What part of my debian lenny system would be loading p4-clockmod? I have a manual entry to load acpi_cpufreq in my /etc/modules but p4-clockmod is being loaded later according to the syslog. |
| 02:12.27 | Penix | rgr: the same 'part' that loads everything else. something might depend on that module though |
| 02:12.41 | h2os | dondelelcaro, my RH servers @work w/32gb ram work fine, so bit perplexed as to why not working here |
| 02:12.45 | jim | if it's a module, then the part is insmod (probably as called by modprobe) |
| 02:13.01 | rgr | Penix: not a very helpful reply. Clearly "something" is loading it. The question is how to find out what? |
| 02:13.06 | abrotman | be nice if that archive were mentioned on the cdimage.debian.org .. but whatever |
| 02:13.42 | jim | rgr: trace the boot process |
| 02:13.55 | Penix | oh, sorry, I'll hold your hand next time |
| 02:14.15 | dondelelcaro | h2os: is it the same kernel version? |
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| 02:14.28 | rgr | Penix: if you wish to help please do so. But generic "yah, something isloading it" is not very hlpeful. I know something is loading it - I am trying to find out what. |
| 02:14.34 | rgr | jim : thanks I will google up that. |
| 02:14.41 | Penix | rgr: read the rest of what I said next time |
| 02:14.53 | Nyle | rgr holding Penix |
| 02:14.56 | Penix | and my reply was completely relevant. that you didn't find it 'helpful' doesn't matter |
| 02:14.56 | h2os | as @work, no, running ubuntu 2.6.22-14-generic |
| 02:14.57 | Nyle | 's hand :) |
| 02:15.03 | Nyle | hahaha im gonna go |
| 02:15.05 | Nyle | lol sorry |
| 02:15.07 | rgr | Penix: which bit? The bit where you say "something might depend on it" or what? |
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| 02:15.55 | Nyle | I'm not a guru rgr, but all I can think of, which is probably wrong, is you could probably look through the kernel config menu and see that module, and see what depends on it |
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| 02:15.58 | Nyle | maybe? |
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| 02:16.12 | jim | instead of that, find out what happens during the boot process, specifically what happens right after the kernel is loaded and started, what causes boot scripts to run, and what order do they run it |
| 02:16.16 | jim | in |
| 02:16.30 | Penix | or just blacklist p4-clockmod if you don't need it |
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| 02:17.02 | Nyle | jim, how? |
| 02:17.20 | rgr | Penix: thats not a bad idea. I dont know tbh if I need it or not. The best module for cpu scaling seems to be acpi_cpufreq which I can load manually from the command line but does not load from my /etc/modules for some reason at boot. |
| 02:17.37 | nooro | hi, I've run into http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474951 |
| 02:17.57 | Nyle | nooro, ok |
| 02:17.57 | nooro | but when I run "apt-get upgrade lighttpd" I get "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." |
| 02:17.57 | jim | were you injured in the process ? |
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| 02:18.08 | hooh | lol |
| 02:18.09 | nooro | just my pride |
| 02:18.16 | Nyle | haha |
| 02:18.33 | h2os | dondelelcaro, the 256 worked, so going to try 512, be a quick reboot |
| 02:18.39 | jim | does it happen to say it's already the latest? |
| 02:18.41 | Penix | nooro: because you don't do that |
| 02:18.42 | rgr | Is there a command line way to find out what might be using a certain kernel module? |
| 02:18.56 | nooro | I'm a CLI noob, my sysadmin is away today and I'm trying to be a hero. :) |
| 02:19.08 | Penix | nooro: you apt-get update && apt-get install lighttpd when someone has uploaded a fixed package |
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| 02:19.51 | nooro | jim: "apt-show-versions -a -p lighttpd" shows "lighttpd/etch uptodate 1.4.13-4etch7" |
| 02:20.01 | nooro | Penix: ah |
| 02:20.05 | nooro | so I'll try that |
| 02:20.32 | jim | nooro: when you updated, did it say it was already the newest? |
| 02:20.48 | nooro | I've backed up /etc/lighttpd which is where I think all the conf files and ssl certs are, any other precautions I should take? |
| 02:20.59 | Nyle | nooro, more on that, apt-get update updates the list of packages from debian archives, so when you want to install something, you get the latest version from debian |
| 02:21.07 | abrotman | nooro: which version is it fixed in ? |
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| 02:21.11 | nooro | (off the tops of your heads) |
| 02:21.17 | nooro | Fixed in version 1.4.13-5; |
| 02:21.21 | abrotman | nooro: i dont' think it's been fixed in etch yet |
| 02:21.23 | cusco_ | hey... I got a friend asking if there is a way do extract a debian package to a different prefix |
| 02:21.30 | cusco_ | wth... |
| 02:21.43 | Nyle | cusco, maybe |
| 02:21.49 | Nyle | cusco, depending on what he wants |
| 02:21.52 | Penix | you could *manually* do it |
| 02:21.52 | nooro | jim: I don't see the word newest anywhere, but it thinks its done |
| 02:21.56 | Nyle | alien can convert between package formats |
| 02:21.59 | Penix | but it'd just cause problems |
| 02:22.01 | abrotman | nooro: it's not fixed in etch |
| 02:22.03 | Nyle | ar can extract the arvhice |
| 02:22.07 | Penix | and dpkg |
| 02:22.35 | cusco | Nyle: that is not new. You know when you the configure option prefix? |
| 02:22.35 | abrotman | and dpkg-deb |
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| 02:22.45 | Nyle | cusco, I'm sorry? |
| 02:22.51 | cusco | are you? |
| 02:22.56 | Penix | cusco: that's at build time |
| 02:23.01 | Nyle | I don't understand your query |
| 02:23.03 | nooro | abrotman: sorry, how would I move to that fixed version of lighty then? |
| 02:23.10 | cusco | Penix: yes I know... that is what Im asking |
| 02:23.22 | Penix | cusco: all debian packages use the /usr prefix |
| 02:23.24 | abrotman | nooro: seems like you'd have to get the source and apply that patch ? |
| 02:23.26 | Penix | cusco: /msg dpkg FHS |
| 02:23.29 | cusco | if there is a way to extract a deb package with a prefix option |
| 02:23.33 | abrotman | nooro: alternately .. contact the maintainer .. see if they have more news |
| 02:23.40 | jim | cusco: configuring can cause hardwired things to (eventually) get into the binary, like paths and stuff |
| 02:23.47 | Nyle | cusco, I misunderstood you then |
| 02:23.58 | cusco | don't you always |
| 02:24.05 | Nyle | cusco, :) not always |
| 02:24.06 | Penix | cusco: no, there's not a *proper* way to do it. you're also ruining one of Debian's strongpoints |
| 02:24.35 | Penix | cusco: you could always extract the package like we said. you'd have to manually place the files elsewhere though |
| 02:24.42 | Penix | cusco: which would cause way more problems down the road |
| 02:24.53 | jim | the way it was designed, package files install into one place. |
| 02:25.09 | cusco | thanks Penix |
| 02:25.13 | Nyle | if its for learning purposes, sure. for practical purposes, stick to the package, as that is the *point* of 'package' |
| 02:25.23 | Nyle | s/of/of a |
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| 02:28.39 | nooro | abrotman: I wasn't seeing "newest" because I was running apt-get upgrade, not install - tried install and confirmed, I'm running newest. so it's source time |
| 02:29.00 | abrotman | nooro: i'd hit the maintainer first |
| 02:29.13 | abrotman | nooro: or at least append the bug and inquire if a fix for etch is planned |
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| 02:30.38 | nooro | will do - I was going to say since it's a source thing I won't be doing it, I'll have to wait for dawn and bug the usual sysadmin who I can't reach tonight |
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| 02:31.53 | Nyle | nooro, sometimes people don't want to be reached |
| 02:31.55 | abrotman | nooro: you could prep it i guess .. up to you really |
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| 02:32.23 | h2os | dondelelcaro, 512 worked, 768, 640 didn't, might be related to filesystem block size |
| 02:32.33 | nooro | Nyle: alas I'm one of them. he's just better at going dark than I am |
| 02:32.34 | sparr_ | i forgot, where is a good place for non-debian help with apt? |
| 02:32.59 | Nyle | nooro, *nod* |
| 02:33.03 | abrotman | ##linux ? |
| 02:33.48 | jim | apt and non-debian? which? |
| 02:34.06 | xuser | ubuntu and other projects based on debian |
| 02:34.12 | Nyle | xuser, no |
| 02:34.19 | xuser | :P |
| 02:34.20 | Nyle | do not send people to the wrong channel |
| 02:34.22 | Nyle | damit |
| 02:34.24 | Nyle | behave :) |
| 02:34.50 | jim | well I was interested in the specific solution to that :) |
| 02:34.51 | Nyle | sparr_, it is usually wise to ask in the channel dedicated to the distro of your choice |
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| 02:35.14 | sparr_ | Nyle: for the sake of argument, lets say im running apt under windows. |
| 02:35.22 | Nyle | sparr_, but you are not. |
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| 02:35.34 | xuser | sparr_: joint ##windows then |
| 02:35.56 | jim | you mean for cygwin? |
| 02:35.58 | Nyle | sparr_, if you don't have debian, you can google for 'man apt-get' |
| 02:36.04 | sparr_ | jim: yes, hypothetically |
| 02:36.08 | Nyle | or whatever |
| 02:36.23 | abrotman | sparr_: quit wasting our time .. tell us where you got your apt |
| 02:36.25 | sparr_ | Nyle: the available documentation on apt pinning is insufficient, and in many cases outdated |
| 02:36.36 | sparr_ | abrotman: why? it wont change the answer to my question |
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| 02:36.46 | Nyle | pissing however is not recommended afaicr these days |
| 02:36.46 | jim | well I'll have to give up trying to find specifics here.... seems you're not willing to say |
| 02:36.49 | Nyle | oh umm |
| 02:36.53 | Nyle | s/pissing/pinning |
| 02:36.58 | abrotman | sparr_: you know it's not a Debian question .. but you're asking us anyways .. |
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| 02:37.25 | abrotman | sparr_: ask the people that gave you your apt .. or ask ##linux .. or ask google |
| 02:37.42 | sparr_ | abrotman: you insist on drawing that arbitrary line. if i wasn't as lazy as I am, I would once again boot debian on a VM and duplicate the problem, just to humor you |
| 02:37.49 | abrotman | then do it |
| 02:37.53 | Nyle | he won't. |
| 02:38.01 | sparr_ | why? last time i did it you still insisted on not helping |
| 02:38.07 | abrotman | is it debian ? |
| 02:38.12 | sparr_ | it was |
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| 02:38.17 | Nyle | wrong answer. |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | and i insisted on not helping? |
| 02:38.21 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 02:38.21 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 02:38.30 | taranto | playing tactical ops? |
| 02:38.38 | Nyle | I think I remember now too maybe |
| 02:38.52 | Nyle | ahh yeh, I aint wastin my time |
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| 02:41.00 | jim | sparr_ if you're doing this to help, then -help-, which means fork over the specifics of your situation.... if this is a bug you'd like to report to debian, you absolutely should reproduce it, preferably in lenny and sid, since that's where the action is |
| 02:41.01 | dondelelcaro | h2os: what type of ramdisk are you using? /dev/ram0? or something else? |
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| 02:41.34 | h2os | dondelelcaro, /dev/ram1 |
| 02:41.44 | JabbaHutt | So because #gentoo was no help installing their trash I'm ready to install Debian instead |
| 02:42.02 | Nyle | good idea mr hutt |
| 02:42.12 | Nyle | who needs to build from source all day long |
| 02:42.14 | dondelelcaro | h2os: you probably haven't set ramdisk_size to a suitably large number then. |
| 02:42.16 | Nyle | !gentoosmite somebody |
| 02:42.17 | dpkg | spends 7 weeks recompiling somebody, and when it's all done, somebody runs no faster than previously |
| 02:42.18 | abrotman | argh .. contacts dry .. misread |
| 02:42.24 | Nyle | w/e |
| 02:42.28 | sparr_ | jim: its not a bug, except in that the apt man pages are not accurate (in debian, dsl, and ubuntu). whether the documentation is correct or not, im just trying to find out how it actually works |
| 02:42.32 | jim | umm so you're issuing a challenge to see which dist channel gets you installed |
| 02:42.33 | JabbaHutt | I was told it was apparently FASTER and MORE EFFICIENT than Debian |
| 02:42.40 | JabbaHutt | Yes, yes I am |
| 02:42.43 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: what precisely is inaccurate about it? |
| 02:42.55 | Nyle | jim, yo bro |
| 02:42.56 | h2os | dondelelcaro, i had it @1,024,000, but seems ther e is a 512 limt |
| 02:43.06 | h2os | dondelelcaro, minus the commas |
| 02:43.08 | Nyle | jim, you need nothing other than to tell him about !ig and !d-i |
| 02:43.11 | nkuttler | actually, the gentoo install docs were very good last time i checked |
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| 02:43.25 | Nyle | jim, tell him to come back after he has read that. |
| 02:43.28 | JabbaHutt | However they do not cover the deletion of previouslly installed partitions |
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| 02:43.42 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, btw, gentoo documentation is fucking phenominal. |
| 02:43.53 | Nyle | usually... |
| 02:43.54 | jim | sparr_: if you're correct, it most certainly is a bug (a documentation bug, which should be solved) |
| 02:44.12 | dondelelcaro | h2os: hrm... there shouldn't be, but you may actually have better luck with tmpfs instead |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | JabbaHutt: the debian installer has a manual partition mode .. you can delete current partitions and create whatever setup you'd like |
| 02:44.21 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: its been months since i set up the pins in question, so i dont recall exactly, but it had something to do with the syntax of the examples in the "The Effect of APT Preferences" section of man apt_preferences |
| 02:44.23 | JabbaHutt | PRAISE DEBIAN! |
| 02:44.38 | abrotman | !tell JabbaHutt about ig |
| 02:44.39 | abrotman | !tell JabbaHutt about d-i |
| 02:44.50 | Nyle | what, did I say? |
| 02:44.52 | abrotman | JabbaHutt: there's a section in the install guide about partitioning |
| 02:44.53 | Nyle | tyvm. |
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| 02:45.13 | JabbaHutt | Wonderful |
| 02:45.23 | JabbaHutt | I shall attempt to install via USB and ethernet right now |
| 02:45.25 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, there is also a pointy clicky gui installer!!!! |
| 02:45.25 | h2os | dondelelcaro, ya, just trying to do a poor mans solidstate disk drive and ramdisk looked to give me the most flexibility |
| 02:45.26 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: that section is accurate in unstable, at least. (Though it is a complicated subject, so it's quite possible that you misunderstood it, or whatever non-Debian archive you're using isn't configured properly) |
| 02:45.44 | JabbaHutt | oooh GUI |
| 02:45.46 | dondelelcaro | h2os: yeah, tmpfs is usually the way to go |
| 02:45.51 | Nyle | yes, very gooey |
| 02:46.00 | h2os | dondelelcaro, cool, thx |
| 02:46.00 | jim | JabbaHutt: the install guide is better because it runs out the possibilities... but you have to know about your setup and decide a particular way to do it |
| 02:46.04 | JabbaHutt | I beleive I want the i386 version, correct? |
| 02:46.13 | abrotman | likely yes |
| 02:46.13 | jim | most likely |
| 02:46.14 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, 686 |
| 02:46.17 | Nyle | oh |
| 02:46.19 | Nyle | sorry, yes |
| 02:46.24 | JabbaHutt | Dell XPS M1530 laptop with the nVidia 8600M GT, 2.2GHz Core2, 2 Gb RAM |
| 02:46.24 | Nyle | doh. |
| 02:46.34 | jim | 686 is probably the kernel you will get |
| 02:46.35 | Nyle | sweet machine |
| 02:46.38 | abrotman | either i386 or amd64 .. but i'd probably go i386 |
| 02:46.38 | dondelelcaro | JabbaHutt: you can either run i386 or amd64; up to you |
| 02:46.45 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, you feel daring? |
| 02:46.51 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, aaaahhhhh I Was gonna say that |
| 02:47.02 | Nyle | damit |
| 02:47.06 | JabbaHutt | I see no need for 64 bit because I don't plan to implement more RAM |
| 02:47.19 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, 64bit makes you feel alive |
| 02:47.21 | Nyle | I think |
| 02:47.25 | jim | the problem with amd64 is the compilers have problems with a few of the packages |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | JabbaHutt: if you don't have a good reason .. stick with i386 |
| 02:47.34 | JabbaHutt | I had bad experiences with flash, Opera and 64bit |
| 02:47.43 | jim | and some stuff you might want is not avaliable in 64b |
| 02:47.52 | jim | exactly |
| 02:48.08 | Nyle | if you have the testicular fortitude for amd64 sid... well then |
| 02:48.12 | JabbaHutt | Would you suggest I use the USB installer? |
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| 02:48.15 | Nyle | well.. thats pretty good I suppose |
| 02:48.22 | abrotman | !tell JabbaHutt about usb install |
| 02:48.34 | JabbaHutt | facepalms |
| 02:48.39 | JabbaHutt | I'm on the documentations already |
| 02:48.54 | abrotman | overloads JabbaHutt |
| 02:49.00 | JabbaHutt | explodes |
| 02:49.09 | abrotman | eww .. Hutt pieces every where |
| 02:49.16 | abrotman | BBQ at the sarlac pit! |
| 02:49.16 | jim | gentoo and debian are somewhat different... you might like, you might not |
| 02:49.36 | jim | (but that goes without saying) |
| 02:49.40 | Nyle | binary distro ftw |
| 02:49.40 | JabbaHutt | Debian packages entice me. Easy installation and upgrade |
| 02:49.47 | Nyle | if you must build something from source, you can! |
| 02:49.58 | Nyle | but source distros is all that is, source |
| 02:50.00 | JabbaHutt | But most of the time I won't have too! |
| 02:50.10 | jim | both true. |
| 02:50.28 | jim | and better to get packages, easier to get help |
| 02:50.54 | Nyle | build server services yourself, take out software identification strings if you are paranoid, some other security measures etc. |
| 02:51.05 | JabbaHutt | Opera supports deb packages |
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| 02:51.12 | Nyle | other that that, I don't really see why a server would need to compile all day long |
| 02:51.18 | Nyle | I mean, who runs a gentoo server anyway? |
| 02:51.23 | Nyle | and why would you want to? |
| 02:51.46 | JabbaHutt | I have a 256 MB flash MP3 player..will it work for the USB install? |
| 02:51.55 | Nyle | 256 is enough |
| 02:52.06 | Nyle | though can you BOOT from that mp3 player/usb w/e |
| 02:52.07 | abrotman | depends how many MP3s are on it i suppose :) |
| 02:52.09 | JabbaHutt | Will I be able to use it as an MP3 player after... |
| 02:52.20 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, netinst iso == 150~ish MB |
| 02:52.27 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, installer image, few more megs |
| 02:52.32 | JabbaHutt | Bah |
| 02:52.33 | Nyle | 256 is plenty |
| 02:52.36 | JabbaHutt | what's another DVD |
| 02:52.58 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:53.04 | Nyle | 9 gb? |
| 02:53.07 | Nyle | 4.5gb? |
| 02:53.09 | JabbaHutt | I'll just burn a netinst CD image to a DVD |
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| 02:53.20 | Nyle | thats probably a safer idea than usb install |
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| 02:53.26 | Nyle | which is a bit more involved than buring/booting |
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| 02:54.45 | JabbaHutt | Well I zeroed out my partition tables so I hope I'll be able to access the HDD and format it properly |
| 02:55.01 | Nyle | if you don't care about the hdd don't worry about it |
| 02:55.12 | Nyle | you should pay attention to the partitiong guide in the install guide |
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| 02:55.27 | JabbaHutt | Yea. I don't care about what's on the HDD at all |
| 02:55.33 | Nyle | maybe search google for good partion schemea |
| 02:55.49 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, enough talk. |
| 02:55.53 | Nyle | get reading boy... |
| 02:55.58 | JabbaHutt | I can do both |
| 02:56.01 | JabbaHutt | AM I AM >:3 |
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| 02:57.16 | Nyle | He who is called I am |
| 02:57.20 | Nyle | I am, that I am. |
| 02:57.49 | JabbaHutt | I am what I am and that's all that I am |
| 02:57.57 | Nyle | like they say |
| 02:58.05 | Nyle | if you have not gotten to where you are going, you aren't there yet. |
| 02:58.17 | Nyle | get readin... |
| 02:58.37 | JabbaHutt | I'm on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
| 02:59.10 | JabbaHutt | Now I'm at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ |
| 02:59.37 | Nyle | you need not inform us of each step you take during your venture into the world of debian. |
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| 03:02.11 | Nyle | mmmm trident citrus is deliciously sweet |
| 03:03.09 | JabbaHutt | It didn't fine my ethernet card... |
| 03:03.47 | abrotman | which is? |
| 03:04.13 | JabbaHutt | idon't know. i never looked |
| 03:04.21 | Nyle | oh boy |
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| 03:04.30 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, is it a custom build pc or a brand name? |
| 03:04.34 | JabbaHutt | brand name |
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| 03:04.35 | JabbaHutt | dell |
| 03:04.36 | JabbaHutt | XPS |
| 03:04.46 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, look for the specs of your machine |
| 03:05.04 | Nyle | somewhere hidden deep down in the dell site there are actual mobo specs of the laptop |
| 03:05.26 | Nyle | or you could just google :) |
| 03:05.32 | JabbaHutt | I am googling |
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| 03:05.39 | Nyle | you are looking for something about network chipset |
| 03:05.42 | Nyle | or network controller |
| 03:05.52 | Nyle | something like that anyway |
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| 03:07.20 | freebird | you guys, I'm installing debian on a 24MB of memory, it entered into a kind of protected mode because of low memory quantity, now I keep gettting a message, that blinks, it says: (process:212000) INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode(UTF-8) , is it installaing ?:? |
| 03:07.36 | freebird | a 24MB of memory machine, sorry for that |
| 03:07.36 | Nyle | !dmhr |
| 03:07.45 | cusco | low-mem |
| 03:07.47 | Nyle | ergh... |
| 03:07.56 | cusco | use the low-mem option at the boot prompt |
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| 03:08.21 | freebird | cusco, you mean, just type at boot option low-mem ?? |
| 03:08.38 | freebird | while it blinks, the processes go higher, |
| 03:08.44 | Nyle | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 03:10.14 | freebird | Nyle, tks man, I'm reading it, actually, I've read part of that already, just want to know if I should wait for that blinking screen with processes that numbers get high and high |
| 03:10.21 | yigal | is there any reason that I should use powernowd vs. cpufreq - other than the fact that I can't get cpufreq to work and powernowd works on install? |
| 03:10.32 | Nyle | freebird, I have honestly no idea my firned |
| 03:10.42 | Nyle | freebird, I've never installed debian on anything so low |
| 03:10.55 | Nyle | how ever I do have half a mind to put slink on my 4mb ram laptop from 1992 |
| 03:11.01 | Nyle | that could be fun... if I weren't lazy |
| 03:11.15 | yigal | what I mean is, are there serious advantages for a laptop in using cpufreqd vs. powernowd? |
| 03:11.49 | freebird | Nyle, I think it's installing in some kind of low memory way, not sure |
| 03:11.57 | freebird | weird |
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| 03:12.15 | Nyle | If you do not have enough memory for the lowmem mode, you can manually install a tar ball |
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| 03:12.16 | cusco | freebird: honestly I don't remember it it is low-mem or lowmem or how it goes but it should be documented at the boot prompt before you boot |
| 03:12.25 | cusco | freebird: press f1 f2 f3 etc |
| 03:12.28 | Nyle | or any number of tarballs |
| 03:12.44 | yigal | at 24mb do you have to be really selective in terms of what driver's to load? I would imagine one does :) |
| 03:12.48 | Nyle | I've never actually myself done it, but I've read about it enough |
| 03:12.56 | Nyle | yigal, one should. |
| 03:12.59 | freebird | cusco, I know man, but now there's the screen issue going on |
| 03:13.11 | freebird | cusco, can't restart, maybe it's installing everything |
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| 03:13.16 | freebird | cusco, about to finish, lol |
| 03:13.17 | yigal | I found 128mb difficult enough |
| 03:13.24 | freebird | it never ends |
| 03:13.45 | yigal | freebird: I think what your doing is awesome :) |
| 03:13.53 | Nyle | freebird, umm |
| 03:14.05 | yigal | freebird: are you using sarge? |
| 03:14.06 | Nyle | which install components did you chose with that much ram? |
| 03:14.08 | freebird | yigal, I'll use as a firewall |
| 03:14.22 | yigal | freebird: ah, makes sense |
| 03:14.41 | freebird | yigal, yes, sarge .... |
| 03:14.51 | freebird | Nyle, only the very necessary |
| 03:14.52 | JabbaHutt | arrrg I can't find the freaking chipset |
| 03:14.56 | Nyle | freebird, which are? |
| 03:15.13 | Nyle | where is the friggin lowmem level links I had |
| 03:15.18 | freebird | Nyle, actually, the one that the debian chose, don't remeber, only one, debian said that it was the very and only necessary for the installation |
| 03:15.27 | Nyle | explained about each lowmem level stage |
| 03:15.32 | Nyle | argh fuck |
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| 03:15.59 | freebird | Nyle, hope you find it |
| 03:16.18 | Nyle | yeh im looking |
| 03:16.30 | Nyle | my bookmarks are spread over many disks and browsers |
| 03:16.32 | Nyle | :/ |
| 03:16.37 | Nyle | I should do some bookmark consolidation |
| 03:16.49 | Nyle | and use the enter key less too |
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| 03:17.04 | cusco | or use some social bookmarking web-site project |
| 03:17.06 | yigal | Nyle: wow, pretty hard on yourself today |
| 03:17.12 | cusco | such as google bookmarks or delicio.us |
| 03:17.14 | Nyle | I stopped smoking pot |
| 03:17.19 | Nyle | I am a lot more relaxed :) |
| 03:17.21 | freebird | Nyle, that's great man |
| 03:17.28 | Nyle | no I've quit before |
| 03:17.32 | Nyle | but this tiem its for good |
| 03:17.39 | yigal | Nyle: are you cooking with it now? |
| 03:17.44 | Nyle | that is neither here nor there. |
| 03:17.45 | freebird | Nyle, more relax now than before ? |
| 03:17.54 | Nyle | freebird, I feel like it |
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| 03:18.00 | freebird | Nyle, you get to be kidding |
| 03:18.04 | Nyle | freebird, when I was high I would get angry very quickly |
| 03:18.09 | Nyle | I don't know why but ANYWAY! |
| 03:18.19 | yigal | Nyle: friends of mine got very paranoid on the stuff |
| 03:18.26 | Nyle | I didn't used to, but it just go tot a point where I couldn't even stand myself on pot |
| 03:18.31 | Nyle | I was just someone I didn't even recognize |
| 03:18.33 | cusco | talk to frank |
| 03:18.39 | cusco | !google talk to frank |
| 03:18.40 | cusco | :p |
| 03:18.41 | pkcahier | -!- http://www.talktofrank.com/ |
| 03:18.43 | freebird | Nyle, yeah, it happens all the time, some people just can't handle it |
| 03:18.44 | yigal | Nyle: have you read Botany of Desire? |
| 03:18.45 | Nyle | anyway!!!!! |
| 03:18.49 | cusco | pkcahier: spot on |
| 03:18.50 | Nyle | godadmit |
| 03:19.00 | Nyle | I refuse to be dragged into this pot discussion |
| 03:19.07 | yigal | ok, a new subject for a new man |
| 03:19.08 | Nyle | I am going to start not taking the bait anymore |
| 03:19.17 | cusco | Nyle: you should check http://www.talktofrank.com/ |
| 03:19.25 | rgr | I have a headless mail server running debian, is it sufficient just to remove the S30gdm entry in /etc/rc2.d to stop gdm starting up? |
| 03:19.26 | Nyle | I'm alright, thanks. |
| 03:19.35 | yigal | so does anyone like using zsh as their default shell? |
| 03:19.41 | Nyle | rgr, yes |
| 03:19.55 | Nyle | rgr, did removing gdm through apt not take care of it |
| 03:20.01 | cusco | Nyle: http://www.brainwarehouse.tv/ |
| 03:20.24 | Nyle | rgr, afaik the installation script should take care of editing the run init |
| 03:20.32 | Nyle | er.. |
| 03:20.44 | Nyle | run levels or w/e |
| 03:20.54 | dondelelcaro | rgr: why not just remove gdm? |
| 03:21.03 | yigal | yes, that sounds better |
| 03:21.12 | dondelelcaro | (and the X server and everything else that you don't actually need) |
| 03:21.14 | yigal | useless piece of |
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| 03:21.27 | Nyle | yigal, rahul does |
| 03:21.33 | Nyle | yigal, bug him, /msg |
| 03:21.44 | Nyle | yigal, don't tell him I told you to |
| 03:21.51 | rgr | I thought it better just to disable gdm - might need it another day whe network is broken or soemthing. |
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| 03:22.02 | rahul | knows all |
| 03:22.04 | Nyle | rgr, ssh into it |
| 03:22.05 | Cebot | hi |
| 03:22.10 | dondelelcaro | rgr: if it's a mail server, you're not going to use X on it. |
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| 03:22.19 | rahul | do not try to hide it from me |
| 03:22.24 | rahul | ask markybob |
| 03:22.32 | rgr | Nyle: I do. But as I said ... if the network breaks or something and I need to put a vga card into it. |
| 03:22.32 | markybob | i know nothing |
| 03:22.34 | markybob | :P |
| 03:22.43 | yigal | rahul: I've just started using zsh it is very user friendly compared to any shell I've encountered |
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| 03:22.52 | Cebot | anyone got a sun gem network interface card? (likely on a sparc box even?) |
| 03:23.00 | rgr | dondelelcaro: of course you might. I use x forwarding over ssh to run gui apps on my main machine to administer the mailserver (its also a web server) |
| 03:23.00 | Nyle | rgr, good contingency plan |
| 03:23.13 | markybob | Cebot didnt that get deprecated? |
| 03:23.17 | rahul | yigal: have you customized it yet? |
| 03:23.18 | Nyle | rgr, stick with it, sitting there it takes up nothing but space |
| 03:23.29 | rgr | Nyle: thats what I thought. |
| 03:23.31 | Nyle | rgr, however, you can have all the packages neatly in /var/cache/apt/ blahblah |
| 03:23.38 | Nyle | rgr, install when you need, remove for now |
| 03:23.40 | Cebot | markybob, dunno, but i do have such a card |
| 03:23.43 | rgr | Nyle: I dont trust caches ... |
| 03:23.44 | Cebot | onboard |
| 03:23.51 | Nyle | rgr, as long asyou don't apt-get clean |
| 03:23.53 | Nyle | you will be ok |
| 03:23.54 | yigal | rahul: I'm basically using grml's customizations with a few one liners applications I threw together |
| 03:24.16 | rahul | yigal: I like the way you can type x-y-z and get it to expand to xyzzy-yyy-zzyt |
| 03:24.32 | rgr | bett idea is just mv S30gdm to s30gdm I think |
| 03:24.37 | nkuttler | rgr: you could also simply do some port forwarding, no x required |
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| 03:24.48 | Nyle | rgr, seriously... |
| 03:24.52 | Nyle | ? |
| 03:24.54 | rgr | nkuttler: and how would I run my gui apps on a remote machien then? |
| 03:25.10 | yigal | rahul: oh, mine doesn't do that yet |
| 03:25.22 | nkuttler | rgr: you wouldn't, that's the point, you forward the relevant ports |
| 03:25.29 | rgr | Nyle: just found a google post. It seems only processes rc entries with cpaital letters. Anyone confirm? |
| 03:25.38 | rahul | yigal: hehe, gotta leave some surprises for later, tho :) |
| 03:25.50 | Nyle | rgr, I don't think so. |
| 03:25.58 | rahul | hmm, I think I need to buy some dahi |
| 03:26.00 | rgr | nkuttler: I'm not sure I follow you. What wrong with x forwarding as it is? "Works for me". |
| 03:26.02 | Nyle | oooh |
| 03:26.03 | Nyle | dahi is nice |
| 03:26.12 | Nyle | dahi and aloo ka paratha |
| 03:26.15 | Nyle | mmmm |
| 03:26.20 | rahul | :D |
| 03:26.28 | rahul | actually, these are methi |
| 03:26.32 | nkuttler | rgr: man ssh, -L, -R. it's not necessarily wrong if you like installing a lot of packages on your servers |
| 03:26.37 | Nyle | rahul, oooohhhh methi you asshole |
| 03:26.41 | rahul | hehe |
| 03:26.44 | rahul | home made! |
| 03:26.46 | Nyle | dude save some for me im gonna come over |
| 03:26.49 | rahul | haha |
| 03:26.53 | rgr | nkuttler: are you saying I can lose x server etc then? |
| 03:27.00 | dondelelcaro | rgr: yes, you should. |
| 03:27.01 | nkuttler | sure |
| 03:27.04 | Nyle | rgr, really |
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| 03:27.30 | rgr | interesting. I'll look into it. |
| 03:27.39 | Nyle | you won't |
| 03:27.46 | Nyle | you know what you want already, we can't convince you. |
| 03:27.59 | Nyle | but at least you know enough to make a good decision now |
| 03:28.01 | rgr | Nyle: I beg your pardon? |
| 03:28.23 | Nyle | maybe that didn't come out quite as I had intendted |
| 03:28.30 | Nyle | rgr, englihs not being a first language and all |
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| 03:28.35 | Nyle | I have to translate in my head. |
| 03:28.43 | rgr | Nyle: maybe not. Anyway nkuttler thanks for the suggestion. Ciao for now. |
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| 03:29.29 | Cebot | markybob, anyways, do you have such a nic? |
| 03:29.51 | markybob | Cebot no, sorry. just thought i remember seeing somewhere that it was deprecated from the kernel |
| 03:31.02 | Cebot | well, it seems the driver (sungem.c) got a rewrite. the versions from the 2.6 branch don't work with my card but the ones from 2.4 work just fine |
| 03:31.05 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, the bash script to preseed after base install would contain simply a one liner with all the packages I would want to install using aptitude? or... something else? |
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| 03:31.44 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, would you recommend something more elegant or sophisticated than that regarding my earlier query ? |
| 03:31.56 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: that's good enough if that's all you need. |
| 03:32.49 | rgr | nkuttler: just to clarify, if I look into ssh -L and -R you are saying I can run remote X apps with the GUI on my main machine without an x-server running on the mailserver? A quick google says little and I just see normal ssh -X and sshd config for normal x-forwarding on the ssh connection. |
| 03:34.02 | nkuttler | no, you run your x apps entirely on your box and tunnel a local port to a remote box |
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| 03:34.40 | Nyle | How is the package/task configuration file generated in tasksel? is it manually done by the package maintainer? is it generated through popcon in some way? |
| 03:34.43 | jim | rgr: one thing I see pretty much blatently... is you're misplacing "server" and "client" in your mind, which is typical, the actual situation seems backwards |
| 03:35.01 | dondelelcaro | rgr: -L and -R are for portforwarding through ssh, not just X forwarding |
| 03:35.08 | Nyle | The one that tells tasksel about which tasks to show users, and what packages those tasks contain |
| 03:35.11 | Nyle | that file |
| 03:35.12 | dondelelcaro | (and you really shouldn't use -L and -R to forwardX, though you could) |
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| 03:35.44 | JabbaHutt | ok so I found I have the marvell chipset on my ethernet |
| 03:36.06 | jim | rgr: if you were to take a look at man X you should find a good summary of exacty what;s happening |
| 03:36.23 | JabbaHutt | but there are no marvell drivers here |
| 03:36.52 | jim | JabbaHutt: ever had linux on that machine before? |
| 03:37.00 | JabbaHutt | Yea |
| 03:37.01 | JabbaHutt | Ubuntu |
| 03:37.09 | jim | did the eth work? |
| 03:37.11 | JabbaHutt | I'm using the minimalist CD BTW |
| 03:37.16 | freebird | Nyle, no way man, did not work |
| 03:37.23 | JabbaHutt | I would assume so. I never tried it. Always wireless |
| 03:37.33 | freebird | all I need is 8 more mb of memory, god |
| 03:37.44 | jim | wireless? hmm, and you have wireless on that machine too |
| 03:37.46 | jim | ? |
| 03:37.50 | JabbaHutt | yea |
| 03:37.52 | freebird | Nyle, you said something about skyle, |
| 03:37.58 | freebird | up there, what's that ? |
| 03:38.06 | jim | so maybe it would make sense to get that working first |
| 03:38.31 | jim | assuming the kernel you have has the driver in it |
| 03:38.48 | JabbaHutt | maybe I should use the 4.6GB DVD |
| 03:39.38 | jim | overlying assumption: kernels are what support most hardware |
| 03:39.54 | rgr | nkuttler: so I run the apps "locally" (e.g here on my development machine) but they talk to the "data" on the remote headless server? Sorry, but this is nto clear to me. |
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| 03:40.31 | JabbaHutt | So...If the installer doesn't give me an option to set up my wireless card and doesn't detect my ethernet card properly |
| 03:41.08 | JabbaHutt | I'm screwed? |
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| 03:41.58 | mhall | Can anybody say what command I might try, to paginate a file, say by inserting a carriage return every X lines? |
| 03:42.50 | Cebot | does debian have a minimal live cd, like gentoo's minimal live install cd? |
| 03:43.23 | JabbaHutt | yea, it's what I'm trying to use right now |
| 03:43.24 | netdaemon | Cebot, closest you'll get is netinstall or businesscard |
| 03:44.04 | Cebot | netdaemon, ah thanks, downloading it |
| 03:44.36 | netdaemon | not a livecd, but its minimal |
| 03:44.50 | netdaemon | business card being most minimal...containing only the installer image |
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| 03:45.00 | JabbaHutt | It doesn't like to give you marvell drivers apparently |
| 03:45.26 | stew | mhall: so every X \n |
| 03:45.31 | stew | mhall: so every X \n's add a \r ? |
| 03:45.37 | Cebot | dunno why, i don't really like debian. just want to see if my nic works with a debian patched kernel |
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| 03:49.54 | phorce1 | mhall: perhaps sed with a 'x~y' construct |
| 03:49.58 | JabbaHutt | So..any ideas on how I can get my ethernet working without marvell drivers? |
| 03:50.57 | mhall | stew: more like turn every x'th \n into a \n\n |
| 03:51.30 | mhall | stew: idea being if you have a long tabular file, sometimes it's nice to humanize by adding a blank line every 4, 5, 8, or 10 columns |
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| 03:51.50 | stew | mhall: awk "{if( NR % X == 0 ) { print "\n" } ; print }" |
| 03:52.00 | mhall | stew: ooh... good one |
| 03:52.09 | mhall | stew: i didn't think of NR % X |
| 03:52.17 | mhall | nice |
| 03:52.19 | mhall | very nice |
| 03:52.25 | mhall | !beer stew |
| 03:52.25 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for stew |
| 03:53.24 | techrush | dpkg has really good taste in beer |
| 03:53.25 | JabbaHutt | anyone? |
| 03:54.39 | mhall | techrush: no kidding man |
| 03:54.49 | dondelelcaro | it only offers beer that I'm willing to drink |
| 03:54.53 | mhall | techrush: whoever wrote that command, didn't @#$% around |
| 03:54.58 | techrush | :) |
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| 03:55.58 | mhall | stew: i had to hack it a bit but you had 90% of it: awk '{ if ( (NR - 1) % 5 == 0) printf("\n"); print $0; }' |
| 03:56.26 | JabbaHutt | Alright then. I guess the general consensus is that Debian isn't going to support my Marvell ethernet card |
| 03:56.32 | mhall | JabbaHutt: so i missed some of your issue as it happened before i joined |
| 03:56.38 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, marvel yukon? |
| 03:56.43 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, gigabit ethernet? |
| 03:56.45 | mhall | JabbaHutt: now what version of 2.6 kernel has these drivers |
| 03:56.58 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, supported yes, by sky2 kernel driver I think |
| 03:57.20 | Nyle | I dunno why I wanted to say 'skynet' |
| 03:57.21 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:57.22 | JabbaHutt | sky2 |
| 03:57.37 | mhall | JabbaHutt: if it's in a kernel.org kernel which has a package which exists in debian unstable i think there is a saving grace |
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| 03:57.56 | mhall | JabbaHutt: there is a way to get a very fresh install CD built direct from the unstable repo weekly |
| 03:58.03 | mhall | JabbaHutt: or even daily |
| 03:58.20 | Nyle | mhall, don't. |
| 03:58.24 | mhall | JabbaHutt: so if the kernel available in unstable is known to have your driver, this would work |
| 03:58.26 | JabbaHutt | All I want to do is allow the installer to detect the network card so it can connect and download the whole thing |
| 03:58.38 | Nyle | it is in 2.6.18 |
| 03:58.46 | mhall | hmm that's been out quite a while |
| 03:58.55 | Nyle | I know because I use etch on a gigabyte mobo with marvell yukon gigabit ethernet |
| 03:59.02 | JabbaHutt | debian-40r3-i386-netinst is the ISO that I am using right now |
| 03:59.26 | Nyle | it was not in .16 when etch was in testing |
| 03:59.34 | dondelelcaro | !kmuto |
| 03:59.35 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 03:59.40 | dondelelcaro | JabbaHutt: try the images above |
| 03:59.45 | JabbaHutt | alright |
| 03:59.54 | Nyle | why do I remember etch 2.6.18 having that driver |
| 03:59.55 | dondelelcaro | JabbaHutt: they have 2.6.24, which most likely will support your network card if the stable installer does not |
| 04:00.01 | mhall | dondelelcaro: ooh... stable debian with a fresh kernel? |
| 04:00.02 | Nyle | I didn't use kmuto, as I didn't have any luck with it |
| 04:00.04 | mhall | dondelelcaro: very nice |
| 04:00.10 | JabbaHutt | etch-custom-0215.iso |
| 04:00.15 | mhall | Nyle: what kind of didn't have any luck |
| 04:00.22 | mhall | !+doesn't work |
| 04:00.23 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 04:00.32 | Cebot | now thats odd, the debian netinstall cd works with my NIC. the gentoo minimal cd doesn't. is there a way to check which module is using an actual pci device? |
| 04:00.34 | Nyle | mhall, ? |
| 04:00.43 | mhall | Nyle: 21:00 < Nyle> I didn't use kmuto, as I didn't have any luck with it |
| 04:00.45 | dondelelcaro | Cebot: just look at the dmesg; output. |
| 04:00.48 | mhall | Nyle: 21:00 < mhall> Nyle: what kind of didn't have any luck |
| 04:01.09 | Nyle | mhall, dont' worry about it dude :) |
| 04:01.24 | mhall | Nyle: i'm just curious what blew up for my own personal education |
| 04:01.29 | Nyle | I used kmuto images before etch was stable |
| 04:01.38 | Nyle | I put this machine together in last year jan |
| 04:01.46 | Nyle | 4 months before etch was stable |
| 04:02.02 | Nyle | I specifically remember peterS telling me that sky2 was the module and it was in testing/etch at the time, in 2.6.18 |
| 04:02.10 | Nyle | which I imagine was frozen when etch went stable |
| 04:02.17 | Nyle | how it is not in etch anymore, is beyond me |
| 04:02.32 | Nyle | I didn't check to see if it isn't in etch anymore, but to me it sounds like it from you guys. |
| 04:02.45 | Nyle | later after april I installed etch again, and my nic worked out the box |
| 04:02.51 | Nyle | so... |
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| 04:02.55 | Nyle | I know I'm not smoking crack. |
| 04:03.06 | peterS | no, crack isn't really your thing to smoke, is it? |
| 04:03.18 | Nyle | peterS, hey man whats up |
| 04:03.20 | Nyle | how are ya? |
| 04:03.21 | dpkg | mas o menos, Nyle |
| 04:03.21 | peterS | hey Nyle |
| 04:03.21 | aptitude | Nyle: peachy |
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| 04:03.31 | mhall | peterS: harsh... harsh :-) |
| 04:03.36 | peterS | !aptitude-- |
| 04:03.43 | Nyle | hah |
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| 04:04.02 | JabbaHutt | Man I hate starting out |
| 04:04.20 | markybob | i just noticed that sid's transitioning to use python2.5 as default...is this planned for lenny prior to its release, whenever the hell that might be? |
| 04:04.40 | peterS | Nyle: I'm down to less than 24h before uncle sam's deadline, so I'm here to procrastinate doing my taxes |
| 04:04.52 | peterS | markybob: yes, it will happen before lenny |
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| 04:05.14 | peterS | markybob: assuming someone can get it to not crash on the amd64 buildd when building my package, that is |
| 04:05.27 | mhall | peterS: wtf is that about |
| 04:05.39 | peterS | is what about? |
| 04:05.42 | Cebot | ext3fs is not supported by the netboot disc? |
| 04:05.45 | markybob | damn transitions :P |
| 04:05.46 | mhall | peterS: the crash |
| 04:05.53 | mhall | peterS: why does it happen? |
| 04:06.03 | Nyle | peterS, hah same here |
| 04:06.22 | Nyle | peterS, crap I'll have to do it tomorrow by midnight |
| 04:06.24 | peterS | mhall: I honestly don't know. I just looked up the build log a few minutes ago. |
| 04:06.34 | Nyle | or tonight by midnight |
| 04:06.36 | Nyle | heh |
| 04:06.55 | peterS | Nyle: we don't have a post office open past 8pm or 8:30pm (I forget which) so I can't exactly wait until midnight tomorrow night |
| 04:07.09 | Nyle | peterS, turbotax.com free online |
| 04:07.14 | Nyle | I never paid for it. |
| 04:07.21 | Nyle | been doing my taxes with em for a while |
| 04:07.25 | sajes | When I boot up, I get an error: "Haldhdc: ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit". I did dpkg-reconfigure hal , but that didn't work. |
| 04:07.42 | mhall | peterS: get the extension then? |
| 04:08.09 | mhall | I already did mine a while ago, invested the refund, and earned $20 in interest on it. |
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| 04:08.15 | peterS | I think I can make it. I don't have complex finances. |
| 04:08.38 | peterS | also it's to my advantage to post my taxes late as I'll owe the uncle rather than him owing me |
| 04:08.49 | Nyle | lucky |
| 04:08.53 | Nyle | or unlucky bastard |
| 04:08.54 | Nyle | hehe |
| 04:09.03 | Nyle | I don't make enough to owe shit |
| 04:09.17 | Nyle | my parents are cryin' hehe |
| 04:09.36 | peterS | nah that's the way I like it. mhall talks about getting $20 in interest from his refund. just think how much he could have gotten in interest if he'd had the use of that money for several months longer (if they hadn't withheld too much money from him) |
| 04:09.48 | Nyle | they owe bigtime and I think they lost some tax papre from last year or something |
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| 04:10.32 | Nyle | peterS, did you know that interst is known as Sood in arabic/islam and in the religion is it forbidden. Though they just call it interst instead and pretend its ok |
| 04:10.36 | teach | hi having a problem with a tulip network driver (user was in here earlier) told to chroot in from live disk to work with install |
| 04:10.40 | Nyle | crazy eh |
| 04:11.10 | peterS | Nyle: yeah. arabic banking is a trippy concept, the way they manage to loan money at interest without technically loaning money at interest. |
| 04:11.11 | JabbaHutt | Hey this ISO is doing more |
| 04:11.15 | teach | hmm best sort the mounts out |
| 04:11.33 | JabbaHutt | IT DETECTED MY ETHERNET |
| 04:11.47 | Nyle | peterS, I would like to know why sky2 was taken out of etch |
| 04:11.48 | stew | peterS: which package? cplay? |
| 04:12.01 | peterS | stew: subversion. http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?pkg=subversion;ver=1.4.6dfsg1-3;arch=amd64;stamp=1208223623 |
| 04:12.19 | Nyle | some of my research indicates that 2.6.18-1 through -4 were causing hardware hanging |
| 04:12.22 | JabbaHutt | What is "LVM"? |
| 04:12.24 | peterS | Nyle: however, I didn't know it was called Sood |
| 04:12.26 | Nyle | though I have never myself experienced it |
| 04:12.27 | netdaemon | is it at all possible to use "5.14.3.3 Configuring firewall rules through ifup" method if i am using network manager? |
| 04:12.37 | netdaemon | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch-sec-services.en.html#s-firewall-setup <---that page |
| 04:12.40 | peterS | JabbaHutt: logical volume management. if you don't know what it is, it doesn't matter all that much whether you enable it or not |
| 04:12.49 | Nyle | !tell JabbaHutt 0about lvm |
| 04:12.57 | Nyle | !tell JabbaHutt -about lvm |
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| 04:13.03 | Nyle | in fact |
| 04:13.06 | Nyle | !tell JabbaHutt -about dpkgbot |
| 04:13.17 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, try /msg dpkg *whatever here* |
| 04:13.21 | netdaemon | <3 lvm |
| 04:13.22 | JabbaHutt | ok |
| 04:13.27 | JabbaHutt | Do you think I will need it? |
| 04:13.31 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, read what dpkg told you about dpkgbot |
| 04:13.40 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, no you won't |
| 04:13.42 | JabbaHutt | k |
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| 04:14.01 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, keep it simple for now |
| 04:14.07 | JabbaHutt | Ok |
| 04:14.13 | JabbaHutt | It's installing now :D |
| 04:14.41 | linuxjones513 | Lagbolt, hello sir |
| 04:15.02 | Lagbolt | hey linuxjones513 |
| 04:15.07 | Nyle | hey peterS man you know also that your name translated in my language, without S, just peter, is pronounced peters, or petres, some say putrus :) |
| 04:15.27 | peterS | I had no idea. what language is that again? urdu? |
| 04:15.33 | Nyle | great poet, Putrus Bukhari |
| 04:15.37 | Nyle | yes Urdu |
| 04:16.06 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, installing what? |
| 04:16.19 | heatman | Is there a reason why I am unable to connect to my http server on my etch box when I have acces to it on my internal network and when httpd and https have been allocated proper ports in my router? |
| 04:16.25 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, are you going to attempt an lvm? |
| 04:16.35 | peterS | thanks to world news, the closest urdu name I know to mine is pervez (: |
| 04:16.53 | Nyle | take out a v, and its a latin name, perez |
| 04:16.53 | JabbaHutt | No |
| 04:16.56 | JabbaHutt | No I am not |
| 04:17.25 | Nyle | good man |
| 04:17.35 | Nyle | rahul, good man di laal tan |
| 04:17.39 | Nyle | oops |
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| 04:17.50 | markybob | rahul is not a good man |
| 04:17.53 | markybob | i mean, uh :P |
| 04:18.25 | Nyle | no good man, di== of, laal mean red/tan means light or laaltan means an oil lamp |
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| 04:18.46 | Nyle | its an old saying in villages, if someone knows how to speak english and is educated, they say, follow that good man di laal tan |
| 04:18.54 | Nyle | you know, the good man's lamp, show you the way |
| 04:18.56 | Nyle | w/e |
| 04:19.33 | Nyle | plus it rhymes, so its funnier |
| 04:19.59 | peterS | man di lol tan |
| 04:20.13 | Nyle | heh |
| 04:20.18 | Nyle | you won't get me to do it peterS |
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| 04:20.31 | JabbaHutt | How long does it take to scan a mirror? |
| 04:20.31 | Nyle | I stopped loling and start haha'ing a while ago |
| 04:20.41 | markybob | JabbaHutt 957 days |
| 04:20.42 | Nyle | but just for your peter man I'll do it |
| 04:20.44 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:20.52 | peterS | I can't work with that, your name is too short |
| 04:20.59 | Nyle | no man |
| 04:21.00 | Nyle | the lol dude |
| 04:21.02 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.03 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.13 | JabbaHutt | OOh crap |
| 04:21.14 | Nyle | close |
| 04:21.25 | peterS | I got it, if your font is fixed-width and your nicks are left-justified. |
| 04:21.27 | JabbaHutt | To install a desktop enviroment or not |
| 04:21.31 | peterS | if not, well, not my problem |
| 04:21.31 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, no |
| 04:21.41 | JabbaHutt | k |
| 04:21.44 | Nyle | peterS, yes yes they are |
| 04:21.54 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, do NOT select anything in that window |
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| 04:22.01 | Nyle | no desktop env, no server, no datbase nothing |
| 04:22.03 | Nyle | just move on |
| 04:22.04 | JabbaHutt | I left laptop on |
| 04:22.08 | JabbaHutt | :S |
| 04:22.08 | Nyle | thts ok |
| 04:22.19 | JabbaHutt | oh good |
| 04:22.24 | JabbaHutt | I thought because it's a laptop and all... |
| 04:22.38 | Nyle | *nod* certainly |
| 04:23.10 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, though I advise against it |
| 04:23.25 | JabbaHutt | wait why |
| 04:23.31 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, one could always list the packages included in the task using tasksel and see if one wants the packages listed or not |
| 04:23.37 | Penix | I heartily endorse this task |
| 04:23.50 | Nyle | Penix, for him, so do I. |
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| 04:24.00 | Penix | perfectly cromulant |
| 04:24.18 | JabbaHutt | Well it's kind of late now unless you want me to stop the install |
| 04:24.30 | JabbaHutt | *turns laptop off manually* |
| 04:24.39 | Penix | err |
| 04:24.45 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 04:24.47 | JabbaHutt | starting up again |
| 04:25.17 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, did you just seriously power your laptop off? |
| 04:25.39 | JabbaHutt | Yes |
| 04:25.41 | JabbaHutt | yes i did |
| 04:25.58 | Nyle | allow me to ask this |
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| 04:26.32 | Nyle | and I ask this with utmost humility and sincerity and with the most absolute discretion and taking in the sensitivity of the entire situation |
| 04:26.38 | Nyle | HOW MUCH CRACK DID YOU SMOKE? |
| 04:26.44 | JabbaHutt | None |
| 04:26.46 | Nyle | I'm sorry, that was my bad. |
| 04:27.13 | Penix | JabbaHutt: there's your problem |
| 04:27.42 | peterS | yeah you guys probably could've been a bit less alarmist. "OH MY GOD DON'T SELECT THE LAPTOP TASK IT WILL EAT YOUR BRANE" |
| 04:27.58 | Nyle | peterS, I might have been responsible for that |
| 04:28.04 | Nyle | a bit only |
| 04:28.40 | Nyle | though my intent was only to illuminate the mind with the knowledge of the tasksel(darkside) |
| 04:28.48 | Nyle | I mean... |
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| 04:28.59 | Nyle | force? |
| 04:29.21 | peterS | the duct tape. |
| 04:29.44 | Nyle | obviously, how could I not have seen that, the duct tape. |
| 04:29.45 | Nyle | of course. |
| 04:29.47 | markybob | does anyone know why alt+tab would've stopped working in x (metacity in sid)? the keyboard shortcut setting is correct and i dont see any bug reports |
| 04:30.20 | Nyle | install and switches to metacity just for the hell of it |
| 04:30.31 | Nyle | nope |
| 04:30.33 | Nyle | ship shape. |
| 04:30.37 | peterS | markybob: maybe your key mapping has changed when you upgraded X? with one keymap the key labeled "alt" is mapped to Meta, in another the key labeled "Windows" is Meta and "Alt" is Alt. |
| 04:30.43 | Nyle | switches back to his previous window manager |
| 04:30.51 | linuxjones513 | does anyone know andthing about v4l? |
| 04:30.55 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 04:30.55 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 04:30.59 | nite613_ | If I want my machine to email me and shut down when the HD reaches a certain temp, what's the easiest way to do that? |
| 04:31.01 | peterS | markybob: so uh try Windows+Tab, see what happens |
| 04:31.05 | JabbaHutt | Alright. So I have the options "Desktop Enviroment", "Laptop" and "Standard System" selected to install. Should I remove them all? |
| 04:31.23 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, go with the flow |
| 04:31.34 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, if its there, its there for a reason |
| 04:31.39 | Penix | way to confuse |
| 04:31.42 | Nyle | JabbaHutt, pick the ones you want |
| 04:31.50 | Nyle | you can learn later about tasksel |
| 04:31.54 | peterS | next he's going to talk about getting the computer's chi to flow |
| 04:31.56 | JabbaHutt | What is the default desktop enviroment? KDE? GNOME? |
| 04:31.59 | Nyle | for now install your system |
| 04:32.03 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:32.06 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 04:32.07 | Nyle | chi |
| 04:32.10 | Nyle | hahah omg |
| 04:32.25 | peterS | thought you said you were over all that lol and haha business |
| 04:32.39 | Nyle | sarcasm ? |
| 04:33.12 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 04:33.23 | Nyle | I guess on a subconcious level I'm not over it |
| 04:33.31 | Penix | Nyle: enter... |
| 04:33.32 | JabbaHutt | So um KDE or GNOME? |
| 04:33.49 | markybob | JabbaHutt whatever you want. have you ever used linux? |
| 04:33.53 | Nyle | Penix, and that as well. Thank you. |
| 04:33.53 | JabbaHutt | Yea |
| 04:34.00 | JabbaHutt | But it just says Desktop enviroment |
| 04:34.03 | Penix | JabbaHutt: I believe 'Desktop environment' is Gnome by default unless kde is specified at the boot menu |
| 04:34.04 | nevyn | JabbaHutt: that's a religious debate. use whichever. |
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| 04:34.07 | markybob | JabbaHutt ah, that. gnome |
| 04:34.09 | JabbaHutt | Ok |
| 04:34.16 | JabbaHutt | I like Gnome |
| 04:34.28 | JabbaHutt | Unless you guys think KDE is better |
| 04:34.29 | Nyle | Penix, you know, I might be on crack, but I remember that onetime I picked that task and it had both kde and gnome and xfce |
| 04:34.35 | nevyn | I hate the desktop environment task is evil. |
| 04:34.42 | nevyn | it's got bits from both. |
| 04:34.50 | markybob | what i usually do is install gnome-core and go from there |
| 04:34.53 | nevyn | and none of the good kde bits imho |
| 04:34.58 | Nyle | I swear to god, I left tasksel to download cuz i had very slow connection, and went to bed, I woke up and got into X and all 3 desktops' apps were installed |
| 04:35.03 | Nyle | no idea how that happened |
| 04:35.31 | peterS | did you have all the mozillae too? |
| 04:35.49 | JabbaHutt | I'm going to use Opera instead |
| 04:35.50 | Penix | heh. mozillae |
| 04:35.56 | peterS | yeah I'm proud of that one |
| 04:36.01 | Penix | as you should be |
| 04:36.04 | Nyle | no... just I know it was a fresh install, and I was very surprised to see xfce/kde on there, as I wanted to check out the new version of gnome |
| 04:36.17 | Nyle | Penix, I made one too |
| 04:36.19 | Nyle | er.. peterS |
| 04:36.30 | Nyle | a Cannabii cocktail |
| 04:36.36 | Nyle | very potent. |
| 04:36.36 | Penix | way ahead of you |
| 04:36.47 | Nyle | I'm sorry? |
| 04:37.01 | peterS | *ahemp* |
| 04:37.09 | Nyle | peterS, good one |
| 04:37.14 | netdaemon | !ping |
| 04:37.15 | dpkg | pong |
| 04:37.17 | netdaemon | good... |
| 04:37.24 | netdaemon | my iptables script didn't kill my net connection |
| 04:37.25 | Nyle | netdaemon, you are still online my friend |
| 04:37.50 | netdaemon | had to modify the debian script because he likes his iptables starting at boot with all interfaces >_> |
| 04:38.11 | Nyle | netdaemon, well you know man, thats how you gotta do it sometimes |
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| 04:38.25 | netdaemon | and network manager doesn't like when i add things its not familiar with in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:38.28 | onvsop | !tell me nvidia one liner |
| 04:38.36 | Penix | onvsop: /msg dpkg <foo> |
| 04:38.43 | Nyle | !tell onvsop -about dpkgbot |
| 04:38.46 | onvsop | tanks :) |
| 04:38.59 | Nyle | I think there was another factoid |
| 04:39.08 | Nyle | !searchdpkg |
| 04:39.12 | Penix | selftell would be appropriate |
| 04:39.57 | Nyle | !dpkg.web.search |
| 04:39.57 | dpkg | i heard dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database by stew @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 04:40.53 | onvsop | :) |
| 04:41.09 | Nyle | vsop you're on |
| 04:41.16 | onvsop | :) |
| 04:41.17 | onvsop | ohh yes |
| 04:41.18 | Nyle | doing it work while loaded is not a good idea |
| 04:41.22 | onvsop | hennessy |
| 04:41.23 | onvsop | haha |
| 04:41.30 | Nyle | its bad for your potential health of pc |
| 04:41.34 | onvsop | o_O |
| 04:41.36 | Nyle | onvsop, heard Master P.? |
| 04:41.43 | onvsop | umm yeah a little ;) |
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| 04:41.49 | Nyle | Pass me da green I need some weed wid ma hennessey! |
| 04:41.51 | Nyle | Pass me da green I need some weed wid ma hennessey! |
| 04:41.54 | onvsop | prettygood :) |
| 04:41.55 | onvsop | haha |
| 04:41.55 | Nyle | phat beat... |
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| 04:42.30 | onvsop | i http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 04:42.33 | onvsop | haha |
| 04:43.09 | Nyle | heh |
| 04:43.25 | Nyle | how many drummers does it take to change a light bulb? |
| 04:43.28 | Nyle | 20. |
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| 04:43.41 | Nyle | 1 to hold the bulb in the socket |
| 04:43.46 | Nyle | 19 to drink until the room spins. |
| 04:43.47 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:43.54 | onvsop | :D |
| 04:44.01 | netdaemon | nmaped myself and i wrote it correctly apparently =) |
| 04:44.04 | netdaemon | all ports filtered |
| 04:44.12 | Nyle | netdaemon, yay! |
| 04:44.19 | Nyle | thats what I'm talking about man |
| 04:44.23 | netdaemon | god i love debian :P |
| 04:44.24 | netdaemon | what would i do without you guys? |
| 04:44.24 | Nyle | the rush of a job well done |
| 04:44.33 | Nyle | fucking a, man |
| 04:44.53 | netdaemon | when i'm being a noob you guys slap me around properly, haha |
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| 04:46.22 | Nyle | yup |
| 04:46.27 | Nyle | people just don't think |
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| 04:46.38 | Nyle | no one in here was born with this knowledge |
| 04:46.56 | Nyle | and no one really told us much like we aren't going to tell you much.. unless and until you decide to help yourself |
| 04:47.00 | Nyle | or you pay me to help you |
| 04:47.06 | netdaemon | haha |
| 04:47.15 | netdaemon | usually i'm happy with a point in the right direction |
| 04:47.25 | Nyle | you == not you |
| 04:47.30 | Nyle | you == the General you |
| 04:47.37 | peterS | there's a General here? |
| 04:47.40 | Nyle | the all encompassing you |
| 04:47.48 | Nyle | I thought it proper to capitalize it |
| 04:47.53 | peterS | General Pervez M., perhaps? |
| 04:47.58 | netdaemon | well since i got nmap installed i might as well get wireshark and etherape |
| 04:47.59 | Nyle | perhaps |
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| 04:48.09 | Nyle | might as well |
| 04:48.13 | Nyle | ever heard of PHLACK? |
| 04:48.22 | netdaemon | nope |
| 04:48.37 | Nyle | debian/knoppix remaster into a live security and penertration testing cd |
| 04:49.04 | netdaemon | ah, i usually refer to backtrack |
| 04:49.13 | rahul | haha, GOOD MAN DI LAAL TAN! |
| 04:49.14 | netdaemon | i do plan on remastering my own debian based security/rescue cd |
| 04:49.19 | Nyle | quality of the kernel is ubelievably horrible in backtrack |
| 04:49.37 | Nyle | my custom 2.6.18 on BCM4306 currently injects onto the network |
| 04:49.50 | Nyle | same nic under backtrack does nothing |
| 04:50.08 | Nyle | I could just whatever tools they use on backtrack on debian |
| 04:50.14 | peterS | I had a kernel NIC driver that ejaculated onto the network. what a mistake. |
| 04:50.16 | Nyle | or any live cd for that matter |
| 04:50.26 | Nyle | peterS, hehhee |
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| 04:50.39 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 04:51.13 | Nyle | rahul, yeh I'm a funny fucker eh |
| 04:51.19 | netdaemon | "zenmap" has no proper *.desktop it seems |
| 04:51.51 | rahul | heh |
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| 04:52.35 | netdaemon | and wireshark lacks an "as root" option, haha |
| 04:52.38 | Nyle | network security criteria: NSA, DoD, DHS standards |
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| 04:52.44 | JabbaHutt | Holy crap it's booting |
| 04:52.56 | Nyle | you have to wipe the disk a minimum of 7 times with 0 |
| 04:53.02 | Nyle | I did not know that |
| 04:53.10 | Nyle | h |
| 04:53.38 | Nyle | interesting shizboo this is |
| 04:53.42 | jim | JabbaHutt: what's booting? |
| 04:53.44 | netdaemon | what virtualization technology you guys recomend? |
| 04:53.53 | rahul | netdaemon: THC |
| 04:53.54 | Nyle | netdaemon, it depends on your need |
| 04:54.01 | Nyle | rahul, ummm? |
| 04:54.01 | JabbaHutt | ...X won't start |
| 04:54.02 | netdaemon | just need to boot an OS inside my OS |
| 04:54.03 | rahul | heh |
| 04:54.07 | jim | i tried xen, it worked ok |
| 04:54.15 | Nyle | netdaemon, virtualbox |
| 04:54.16 | nevyn | netdaemon: depends on needs and values |
| 04:54.19 | cast | netdaemon: what os? |
| 04:54.21 | peterS | I always heard it was best to wipe the disk with random bits. I mean they don't have to be strong random bits, but something other than all ones or all zeroes. to make it harder to figure out what is beneath the freshest writes. |
| 04:54.32 | netdaemon | cast, anything from windows, to linux, to bsd |
| 04:54.33 | netdaemon | and solaris |
| 04:54.40 | netdaemon | want decent speed |
| 04:54.42 | Nyle | peterS, I'm just reading it on the chart here |
| 04:54.42 | netdaemon | of course |
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| 04:54.56 | cast | netdaemon: i find kvm easy enough, if you have a recent kernel |
| 04:55.03 | jim | strong bits weak bits find bits seek bits |
| 04:55.08 | netdaemon | cast, if sids kernel is recent enough ;) |
| 04:55.15 | netdaemon | will check out then |
| 04:55.18 | Nyle | I acquired this book on the funamentals of data security from a street vendor or questionable legality |
| 04:55.27 | Nyle | s/or/for |
| 04:55.30 | Nyle | alsdjf;alkdfj |
| 04:55.32 | Nyle | s/or/of |
| 04:55.32 | netdaemon | foss is a + too |
| 04:55.33 | Nyle | fuck |
| 04:55.39 | jim | did you use the rules of acquizition? |
| 04:55.40 | JabbaHutt | lol well the OS boots but X is bo4rked |
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| 04:56.02 | jim | so it boots |
| 04:56.03 | cast | netdaemon: asif we'd suggest anything else! |
| 04:56.12 | netdaemon | haha |
| 04:56.24 | netdaemon | <3 m-a |
| 04:56.28 | JabbaHutt | fatal IO error 104 |
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| 04:56.40 | JabbaHutt | Whats the command to start X in a safe mode thing |
| 04:56.47 | jim | better watch out.... that error is fatal/// |
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| 04:57.07 | cast | JabbaHutt: safe mode...that sounds like a windows term |
| 04:57.12 | JabbaHutt | :S |
| 04:57.23 | JabbaHutt | I dont know any better |
| 04:57.28 | jim | first good to know what gets out of X... ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 04:57.34 | Nyle | it is said... that the military server hardlines are protected by a semi AI security system the likes of which even the japanese or russian have not even seen |
| 04:57.34 | jim | try this |
| 04:57.49 | cast | why don't you just fix X rather than boot X in some kind of 'safe mode' then fix it |
| 04:58.02 | mhall | peterS: i think i'd overwrite with ea7f3c35h ;-) |
| 04:58.03 | JabbaHutt | oh |
| 04:58.15 | jim | X > ~/x.log 2>&1 |
| 04:58.27 | jim | try that |
| 04:58.40 | peterS | jim: errr, what? it already logs extensively to /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:58.45 | JabbaHutt | No such file |
| 04:58.57 | Nyle | another rumor is passed... every piece of electronic data, every packet going through directly through/into/out of the united states passes through NSA trusted screening servers, including all telephone calls |
| 04:59.05 | Nyle | oh I'm being OT now, nm |
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| 04:59.13 | Nyle | they back to helpin people |
| 04:59.48 | Nyle | there is no isbn on this book |
| 04:59.51 | Nyle | what the hell |
| 04:59.52 | JabbaHutt | yea says there is a lon in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:59.54 | mhall | Nyle: mmm echelon |
| 04:59.58 | Nyle | what is it? |
| 05:00.09 | mhall | Nyle: the inspection system you named |
| 05:00.10 | Nyle | this book is fascinating... |
| 05:00.17 | Nyle | mhall, hmm yes |
| 05:00.20 | mhall | Nyle: the EU wrote a report about what they think it does you can get |
| 05:00.32 | mhall | Nyle: interesting reading... though i haven't read the whole thing yet |
| 05:00.45 | Nyle | I don't care if it does or doesn't |
| 05:00.51 | Nyle | I will say it |
| 05:00.59 | Nyle | bomb bom bom bombbombombobm, bombombombombomb |
| 05:01.01 | Nyle | bomb bombomb |
| 05:01.05 | Nyle | let em arrent me |
| 05:01.06 | Nyle | idiots. |
| 05:01.07 | peterS | Nyle: better start using a double rot13 IRC proxy then |
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| 05:01.13 | Nyle | heh |
| 05:01.13 | mhall | Nyle: i wouldn't recommend that |
| 05:01.15 | JabbaHutt | So how do I go about fixing X |
| 05:01.31 | mhall | Nyle: a friend got interrogated by the secret service for some stuff he sent in emails |
| 05:01.34 | jim | instead of sayinh b omb say boobies |
| 05:01.43 | Nyle | I like boobies |
| 05:01.44 | Nyle | :) |
| 05:01.48 | Nyle | they make me smile |
| 05:01.49 | linuxjones513 | i hate v4l |
| 05:01.56 | Nyle | anyway |
| 05:01.57 | Nyle | good night guys |
| 05:01.58 | mhall | i saw a boobies make me smile tshirt the other day, heh |
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| 05:04.08 | Caelum | my gnome panel stopped autohiding, wtf |
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| 05:07.54 | Smerdykov | I'm a new user to Linux, and I'm running a fresh install of Deb, I can't get my sound to come out of my headphone port despite all the ALSA finagling I can muster |
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| 05:07.58 | Smerdykov | can anyone help me? |
| 05:08.16 | JabbaHutt | OO |
| 05:08.24 | JabbaHutt | it says Fatal server error: No screens found |
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| 05:09.07 | Azrael_- | mhall: how did he make himself suspicious? |
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| 05:12.45 | JabbaHutt | So anyone got any idea how to fix X? |
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| 05:17.09 | jim | try: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 05:18.28 | JabbaHutt | k |
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| 05:20.25 | JabbaHutt | ..it says xserv-xorg is not installed |
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| 05:24.49 | JabbaHutt | So X is still not starting... |
| 05:26.05 | onvsop | anyone here godf the nvidia kernel drivers to compile with lenny ? |
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| 05:26.22 | onvsop | i tried using the nvidia_post_etch method |
| 05:26.25 | onvsop | but no luck |
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| 05:27.28 | |amen| | Hi i use etch stable, i got segmentation fault, amarok don't start and other errors...what i can do to take right way? |
| 05:28.46 | netdaemon | holy crap kvm is fast |
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| 05:32.15 | Haris1 | where does debian set the PATH env variable on bootup? |
| 05:32.18 | Haris1 | which file+ |
| 05:32.23 | Haris1 | ..in+ which file+ |
| 05:32.39 | Haris1 | ./etc/profile? |
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| 05:34.17 | Haris1 | I should change the defaults |
| 05:35.09 | Smerdykov | I'm a new user to Linux, and I'm running a fresh install of Deb, I can't get my sound to come out of my headphone port despite all the ALSA finagling I can muster |
| 05:35.18 | jim | on... bootup? |
| 05:35.36 | Haris1 | yes, when the globally $PATH is set |
| 05:35.42 | Haris1 | global+ |
| 05:35.42 | |amen| | did u alsaconf? |
| 05:35.44 | jim | there is a separate environment per process] |
| 05:35.53 | Haris1 | I know |
| 05:36.09 | Haris1 | but there is also a system wide config file, /etc/profile |
| 05:36.28 | jim | path is not set on bootup |
| 05:36.54 | jim | it's set for a shell when it starts running |
| 05:37.07 | Haris1 | when is /etc/profile used? |
| 05:37.25 | jim | that info is in man bash in the FILES section |
| 05:37.40 | jim | spelled out in detail |
| 05:37.48 | Haris1 | cool |
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| 05:38.51 | JabbaHutt | Why the fuck can't this just work |
| 05:39.43 | JabbaHutt | Still says no devices found |
| 05:40.09 | |amen| | JabbaHutt: did u make alsaconf? |
| 05:40.25 | dondelelcaro | JabbaHutt: are you talking about X? or something else? |
| 05:40.31 | streuner | JabbaHutt: what does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" say? |
| 05:40.58 | jim | decides... to get a glass of water |
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| 05:42.18 | streuner | JabbaHutt> So X is still not starting... |
| 05:42.22 | JabbaHutt | yes |
| 05:42.28 | JabbaHutt | hold on a sec running things |
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| 05:42.39 | streuner | we need more infos, otherwise we cannot help |
| 05:43.15 | JabbaHutt | yea |
| 05:43.20 | JabbaHutt | lspci -v | grep -i vga |
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| 05:43.52 | |amen| | i got segmentation fault starting a lot of appls |
| 05:44.04 | JabbaHutt | says 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corperation Unknown device 0407 (rev a1) (prof0if 00 [VGA]) |
| 05:44.10 | dondelelcaro | |amen|: which ones? what version of Debian are you running? |
| 05:44.23 | |amen| | etch stable. blender for example got it |
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| 05:44.40 | |amen| | amarok don't start and more... |
| 05:44.50 | dondelelcaro | JabbaHutt: can you give us your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log; et al. [use a paste site to do so.] |
| 05:44.58 | JabbaHutt | how |
| 05:44.59 | |amen| | i have try to upgrade to lenny but i comeback...befor to do this all works fine |
| 05:45.00 | Penix | |amen|: you've most likely got some bad/dying hardware in your system |
| 05:45.01 | JabbaHutt | I have no GUI |
| 05:45.27 | Penix | |amen|: you tried to upgrade? did you completet the upgrade successfully? |
| 05:45.31 | Penix | complete even |
| 05:45.32 | dondelelcaro | JabbaHutt: you don't need one; use links to upload a file to a paste site that supports it |
| 05:45.39 | streuner | JabbaHutt: run update-pciids too |
| 05:46.02 | JabbaHutt | You're talking to a newb here |
| 05:46.06 | |amen| | i don't know...i have the upgraded kernel on boot but don't run 'couse nvidia drivers so i must use old kenrel |
| 05:46.17 | streuner | JabbaHutt: type "update-pciids" |
| 05:46.20 | JabbaHutt | Done |
| 05:46.27 | streuner | in as shell and hit enter ;-) |
| 05:46.30 | JabbaHutt | It's the "use links to upload a file to a paste site that supports it" I dont get |
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| 05:46.43 | Penix | |amen|: then figure out what you've done to your system first. we have no idea. upgrade it properly or reinstall etch |
| 05:47.02 | JabbaHutt | It looks like it transmitted some data to the internet |
| 05:47.21 | streuner | good, after that, show us the output of lspci agin |
| 05:47.24 | streuner | again* |
| 05:47.28 | |amen| | Penix: sob! i'll do thanks |
| 05:47.47 | JabbaHutt | lspci has a bunch of stuff |
| 05:48.02 | JabbaHutt | But now it seems to detect my gfx card as an 8600M GT |
| 05:48.05 | streuner | JabbaHutt: what does "lspci -v | grep -i vga" say? |
| 05:48.47 | streuner | JabbaHutt: Did you try "VESA", when you choose a driver? |
| 05:49.00 | JabbaHutt | No |
| 05:49.01 | streuner | (as a first start, just use that) |
| 05:49.04 | streuner | do that now |
| 05:49.14 | streuner | !drxx JabbaHutt |
| 05:49.14 | dpkg | JabbaHutt: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 05:49.27 | dacs | i ve been trying to ssh to my box from work to connect to irssi, but the conection times out if i try to use irssi |
| 05:49.33 | dacs | what could be the problem |
| 05:49.35 | JabbaHutt | lspci -v | grep -i vga |
| 05:49.52 | dondelelcaro | dacs: times out where? |
| 05:50.06 | JabbaHutt | says 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia corperation GeForce 8600M GT (rev a1) (prof0if 00 [VGA]) |
| 05:50.25 | dacs | dondelelcaro: right after "!irc.freenode.net *** Found your hostname" |
| 05:50.40 | dondelelcaro | dacs: and irssi is disconnecting? or is ssh? |
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| 05:51.00 | dondelelcaro | dacs: you'll also have better luck if you run irssi in screen to see precisely what the problem is |
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| 05:51.15 | nirupama | how to find the unicode value of a key |
| 05:51.19 | dondelelcaro | (it could be that your router kills off ssh connections or something else silly) |
| 05:51.30 | dacs | dondelelcaro: irssi will stop responding and there for my client "putty" |
| 05:51.34 | dondelelcaro | nirupama: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:51.54 | JabbaHutt | now startX says: (EE) No devices detected |
| 05:52.07 | nirupama | dondelelcaro, \u0020 indicates to insert the Unicode character with the ordinal value 0x0020 (the space character) |
| 05:52.17 | nirupama | dondelelcaro, how? |
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| 05:52.24 | nirupama | dondelelcaro, how can I find that |
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| 05:52.58 | dondelelcaro | nirupama: you mean you want to go from a byte sequence to a unicode glyph? |
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| 05:53.21 | dacs | dondelelcaro: what should i check for |
| 05:53.38 | dacs | this is start happeing after i changed my ISP |
| 05:53.40 | streuner | JabbaHutt: if you using VESA keep in mind, that support only 800x480 or such.., |
| 05:53.52 | dondelelcaro | dacs: first things first, I need to know what is actually disconnecting |
| 05:53.59 | JabbaHutt | How do i switch to VESA? |
| 05:54.18 | dondelelcaro | streuner: vga should work better than vesa in most cases |
| 05:54.20 | streuner | JabbaHutt: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg in a shell as root |
| 05:54.25 | JabbaHutt | k |
| 05:54.28 | dacs | dondelelcaro: i can give you access to see by your self |
| 05:54.30 | JabbaHutt | Instead of nv? |
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| 05:54.41 | Penix | dacs: don't offer that to people |
| 05:54.48 | dondelelcaro | dacs: I don't want it |
| 05:54.54 | streuner | JabbaHutt: you heart what dondelelcaro told you, choose VGA |
| 05:54.59 | nirupama | dondelelcaro, yes |
| 05:55.15 | dacs | hmmmm |
| 05:55.28 | dondelelcaro | nirupama: that depends on the fontset that you are using; most unicode fonts have some kind of lookup table where you index into them appropriately |
| 05:55.34 | Penix | dacs: just answer the question? *what* disconnects? the ssh connection to your home system or the irc session from your home system? |
| 05:55.38 | JabbaHutt | k |
| 05:55.38 | JabbaHutt | vga |
| 05:55.44 | Penix | minus the first ?... |
| 05:55.48 | streuner | JabbaHutt: yes, we have to find out, nv supports your videocard or not... |
| 05:55.49 | dondelelcaro | nirupama: the unicode specification explains in detail how to do that |
| 05:55.58 | JabbaHutt | Worked in Ubuntu |
| 05:56.01 | nirupama | dondelelcaro, where can i find that look up tables |
| 05:56.17 | dondelelcaro | nirupama: what exactly are you trying to do here? |
| 05:56.39 | dacs | Penix: the ssh |
| 05:56.40 | nirupama | dondelelcaro, is it keybinding |
| 05:56.49 | JabbaHutt | Holy shit |
| 05:56.50 | nirupama | or dondelelcaro keymodmap |
| 05:56.51 | dondelelcaro | nirupama: keybinding for what? |
| 05:56.57 | JabbaHutt | VESA actually booted X |
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| 05:57.11 | dondelelcaro | JabbaHutt: yeah, that's because ubuntu uses vga by default |
| 05:57.14 | Penix | dacs: do you know for sure whether your work blocks/restricts ssh traffic at all? |
| 05:57.16 | nirupama | dondelelcaro, just want to get information on unicode charatcters and how they are mapped |
| 05:57.22 | JabbaHutt | so I'll switch vesa to vga |
| 05:57.31 | nirupama | dondelelcaro, what is the unicode format for each letter |
| 05:57.41 | dondelelcaro | nirupama: why? all of that stuff is handled by the X server itself |
| 05:57.44 | nirupama | dondelelcaro,how that is done |
| 05:57.54 | Penix | dacs: try ssh'ing to a different system |
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| 05:58.07 | dacs | Penix: i know they don't, because i am able to login the box as a regular user and as root , i can list create files everything |
| 05:58.32 | dondelelcaro | nirupama: again, what exactly are you trying to do? I can point you at all kinds of documentation, but unless you tell me specifically what it is that you're doing, I can't do much better than to point you at unicode.org or the X11 documentation. |
| 05:58.58 | Penix | dacs: so, what happens when you ssh in and leave it sitting at the shell? everything's fine? you're saying the ssh connection dies when you run irssi? |
| 05:59.00 | dacs | Penix: i had no problem whatso ever before changing my ISP, at first i was not able, but then i found that thier ADSL was not set to bridg |
| 05:59.13 | Penix | dacs: then that's probably why |
| 05:59.20 | Penix | dacs: your new ISP could be the one screwing with things |
| 05:59.37 | nirupama | dondelelcaro, just was searching some document on pyhton and saw unicode character representation and want to know more on unicode |
| 05:59.53 | nirupama | dondelelcaro, I am not doing anything specific on that |
| 05:59.54 | dondelelcaro | nirupama: unicode.org is the place to look, then. |
| 06:00.01 | Penix | dacs: call your ISP and find out whether they mess with ssh and/or other traffic, then ask your employer if they do the same |
| 06:00.11 | dacs | Penix: i can call them right now ,what should i ask for, because they said they don't block anything |
| 06:00.12 | Penix | dacs: we can't fix your crappy networks |
| 06:00.33 | Penix | dacs: just ask if they block/filter any inbound traffic in general |
| 06:00.55 | nirupama | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 06:01.04 | dacs | Penix: another question, could that be because i start using no-ip |
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| 06:01.43 | Penix | I don't know. you see, you've gone and changed a whole bunch of stuff and things have started screwing up. try reverting to your old setup first |
| 06:01.54 | JabbaHutt | VGA does not work. VESA does |
| 06:02.17 | Penix | dacs: or, like I said, try ssh'ing to a box from work besides your home system and see if it still happens |
| 06:02.36 | Penix | dacs: narrow it down to your work network or your home connection |
| 06:03.07 | dacs | Penix: ok |
| 06:03.14 | dondelelcaro | JabbaHutt: ah, ok. |
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| 06:04.56 | JabbaHutt | here is my xorg.conf file: http://pastebin.com/mc921549 |
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| 06:06.04 | JabbaHutt | Also my mousepad on the laptop seems to be very insensitive and the mouse settings aren;t fixing it |
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| 06:07.26 | maveriick | hi everybody |
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| 06:08.14 | maveriick | anybody here installed debian etch with core 2 duo processor and any intel motherboard with an IDE cd/dvd rom? |
| 06:08.52 | Penix | maveriick: most likely. do you have an actual question? |
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| 06:09.26 | mhall | So I have a process that is running out of open files and locking up. How do I increase the number the process can open before this happens? |
| 06:10.09 | Penix | IIRC /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
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| 06:10.29 | Penix | just echo a higher value in to it |
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| 06:11.17 | streuner | JabbaHutt: now, just get some infos about your device and Debian, just google, use "usenet" (groups.google.com) |
| 06:11.25 | mhall | Penix: but that value is 330,600 and the process lsof output is only 170 lines |
| 06:11.33 | maveriick | Penix, I can't install anyway .....the installer couldn't detect my dvdrom |
| 06:11.42 | mhall | Penix: so could there be some other intermediary between the per process value and the system limit |
| 06:11.49 | Penix | maveriick: tried booting from anything else? |
| 06:11.55 | Penix | maveriick: other OS/distro |
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| 06:12.55 | streuner | JabbaHutt: if you want use "nvidia" (non-free), keep in mind there are no packages in lenny/testing actually, you have to do some extra work then, dont use nvidia-installer |
| 06:13.14 | Penix | mhall: there are shell/user settings too afaik |
| 06:13.22 | Penix | mhall: 'limit' |
| 06:14.27 | maveriick | Penix, Ubuntu can detect my cdrom |
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| 06:14.43 | maveriick | Penix, and M$ installs as well |
| 06:14.58 | Penix | maveriick: what actually happens when you try to boot the debian CD? |
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| 06:15.25 | JabbaHutt | I would love to be able to use my nVidia card |
| 06:15.27 | streuner | maveriick: what kind of d-i (debian-installer) are you using actually? |
| 06:15.57 | streuner | maveriick: show us what URL you used to download |
| 06:15.57 | Penix | JabbaHutt: what was the problem? Geforce 8 + X.org isn't working? with the nv driver? |
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| 06:16.20 | streuner | Penix: he's using VESA actually, nv didnt work |
| 06:16.21 | JabbaHutt | <streuner> JabbaHutt: if you want use "nvidia" (non-free), keep in mind there are no packages in lenny/testing actually, you have to do some extra work then, dont use nvidia-installer |
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| 06:16.32 | Penix | streuner: probably because nv doesn't support his card afaik |
| 06:16.36 | JabbaHutt | I have the nVidia drivers ready to run if you need me too |
| 06:16.37 | maveriick | Penix, The installer sometimes hangs during cd detection and sometimes it says that it couldn't find any cdrom. But I can see in dmesg that it detects the device. I can even mount the dvd. |
| 06:16.37 | lxsameer | i want to compile kde 4.0.3 from source but i dont have libstreamanalyzer . when i try to install deb file of this package i get an dependency error . i have problem with it requirement too |
| 06:16.38 | Penix | you need the nvidia drivers |
| 06:16.42 | lxsameer | help me |
| 06:16.51 | JabbaHutt | Should I exit X and run the installer? |
| 06:16.58 | streuner | no |
| 06:16.58 | Penix | JabbaHutt: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 06:17.05 | streuner | JabbaHutt: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 06:17.50 | elemjay | Latest Google Tech Talk on the future of Linux: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A6ImflixL8 |
| 06:17.52 | maveriick | streuner, I downloaded the ISO from here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 06:17.54 | JabbaHutt | is that an apostrophy or the tilde key |
| 06:18.00 | maveriick | AFAIK remeber |
| 06:18.07 | maveriick | AFAIC remeber |
| 06:18.09 | Penix | JabbaHutt: ignore those |
| 06:18.18 | Penix | JabbaHutt: run the command inside |
| 06:18.21 | JabbaHutt | sah |
| 06:18.24 | streuner | maverri: and what kind of CDROM/DVD device do you have? |
| 06:18.51 | JabbaHutt | It says ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared Libraries |
| 06:19.01 | Penix | JabbaHutt: then /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 06:19.03 | JabbaHutt | I had an idiot moment with the apostrophy. sry |
| 06:19.33 | Penix | JabbaHutt: follow the instructions to install the nvidia driver packages |
| 06:19.39 | maveriick | streuner, Its a phlllips 16x dvd rom |
| 06:19.45 | streuner | IDE? |
| 06:19.51 | maveriick | yup IDE |
| 06:20.02 | streuner | should work ⢠|
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| 06:21.04 | streuner | Did you verify the ISO itself? |
| 06:21.28 | maveriick | streuner, I also think so ...I thouhg installing debain would be very hassle free on my new hardware .....now after 2 weeks of purhcase ...I am still seating witout debian |
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| 06:22.08 | maveriick | streuner, the ISO is ok, I isntalled debian 5 to 7 times with the same dvd,... |
| 06:22.35 | JabbaHutt | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg = Could not find package nvidia kernal-2.6-686 |
| 06:23.06 | streuner | Try another d-i (debian-installer) then |
| 06:23.38 | streuner | !kmuto |
| 06:23.38 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 06:23.48 | Penix | JabbaHutt: pastebin the entire output |
| 06:23.55 | streuner | if you need etch/stable |
| 06:24.22 | awmcclain | Can someone tell me what the difference between build-depends and build-depends-indep are in a debian package? |
| 06:24.24 | streuner | JabbaHutt: and your soures.list too |
| 06:24.49 | Penix | awmcclain: -indep probably means architecture independent build depends |
| 06:25.15 | Penix | awmcclain: as in, a package for arch 'all', since it's just data files and stuff, no arch specific binaries |
| 06:25.40 | Penix | awmcclain: ask google though, I could be wrong |
| 06:25.54 | awmcclain | Penix: I've tried, and nothing good came up, which is why i came in here. :) |
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| 06:26.57 | awmcclain | Is there a debian package-building irc channel? |
| 06:27.23 | Penix | awmcclain: try #debian-devel or the mailing lists |
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| 06:28.03 | streuner_ | hm |
| 06:28.09 | streuner_ | apt, test |
| 06:28.10 | apt | Failed! |
| 06:28.15 | streuner_ | hehe |
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| 06:29.05 | jim | bapt again! |
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| 06:29.19 | JabbaHutt | there's my laptop |
| 06:29.25 | Penix | !tell JabbaHutt about root |
| 06:29.26 | JabbaHutt | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:29.28 | Penix | JabbaHutt: don't run as root |
| 06:29.30 | streuner_ | #debian-mentors (OFTC) seems to be the right place then |
| 06:29.40 | JabbaHutt | Don't? |
| 06:29.45 | Penix | JabbaHutt: no. don't. ever |
| 06:29.48 | jim | not a great idea |
| 06:29.49 | Penix | JabbaHutt: anything |
| 06:29.50 | JabbaHutt | oh |
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| 06:29.59 | streuner_ | JabbaHutt: oh, a laptop? what model? |
| 06:30.01 | jim | okok, let's not get paranoid |
| 06:30.11 | Penix | it's for his own good |
| 06:30.14 | jim | running as root is sometimes necessary |
| 06:30.19 | Penix | not in this case |
| 06:30.25 | jim | true |
| 06:30.37 | Penix | JabbaHutt: logout and reconnect with a normal user account |
| 06:31.11 | jim | but the other part of that, is it really depends on what he's doing with that machine |
| 06:31.20 | Penix | running an X session in this case |
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| 06:31.40 | Penix | doesn't need to be running apps and a wm/de as root |
| 06:32.16 | stew | awmcclain: read 7.2 in the policy manual |
| 06:32.18 | jim | that's all true... JabbaHutt, he's right, you shouldn't run as root when you don't have to |
| 06:32.24 | stew | awmcclain: err, 7.6 |
| 06:32.25 | jim | but |
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| 06:32.37 | JabbaHutt | better? |
| 06:32.50 | awmcclain | stew: I have it open already. :) |
| 06:32.57 | jim | if you have a machine you're -just- experinemting with, and doing absolutely -no- real work |
| 06:32.57 | L33tMasta | I am jabba's laptop |
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| 06:33.14 | L33tMasta | I don't work as well as I should |
| 06:33.29 | jim | jabba's babba labba! |
| 06:33.38 | L33tMasta | E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 06:33.42 | awmcclain | stew: here's another way of asking the question: If I'm packaging a perl module, all the dependencies would be most appropriately listed under build-depends-indep, since the perl module has not architecture-specific binaries, correct? |
| 06:33.57 | awmcclain | s/not/no |
| 06:33.58 | L33tMasta | that is what apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg gives me |
| 06:34.01 | jim | AND |
| 06:34.31 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 06:34.42 | jim | you are interested in learning how not to destroy it, and you're willing to reinstall lotsa times... |
| 06:34.43 | L33tMasta | am I doing something wrong? |
| 06:34.47 | jim | no |
| 06:34.54 | stew | awmcclain: they go into bulid-depends-indep if they are NOT required for running clean, binary-arch, or build-arch |
| 06:35.28 | Penix | L33tMasta: you have to enable non-free |
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| 06:35.45 | jim | then running as root on that machine is ok, you're not going to destroy anything valuable even if you wipe the whole machine (which is possible as root) |
| 06:36.07 | Penix | L33tMasta: check your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:36.33 | lxsameer | can any one tell me about the ubdate r2 DVD ? what's that? |
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| 06:36.58 | awmcclain | stew: And if build-arch, build-indep, and build install are all the same target? |
| 06:36.58 | L33tMasta | What am I looking for here? |
| 06:37.50 | Penix | L33tMasta: your main repo line, eg. deb http://blah/foo/debian main contrib |
| 06:37.59 | Penix | L33tMasta: add non-free after contrib |
| 06:38.00 | jim | show us one line that starts with deb and contains http |
| 06:38.13 | Penix | etch main contrib rather |
| 06:38.43 | L33tMasta | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 06:38.48 | Penix | L33tMasta: no. other one |
| 06:38.55 | L33tMasta | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 06:38.58 | Penix | L33tMasta: no. other one |
| 06:39.03 | L33tMasta | deb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ etch main |
| 06:39.10 | jim | that;s the one |
| 06:39.15 | L33tMasta | :D |
| 06:39.16 | jim | add contrib non-free |
| 06:39.19 | jim | to the end |
| 06:39.20 | stew | awmcclain: then any dependency needed to run any of those three needs to be in build-dep, not build-dep-indep, since build-dep-indep is not necessarily satisfied when build-arch is run |
| 06:39.23 | jim | so it reads... |
| 06:39.27 | L33tMasta | deb http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 06:39.32 | Penix | L33tMasta: yes |
| 06:39.36 | L33tMasta | on it'sown line? |
| 06:39.37 | jim | yeah |
| 06:39.45 | awmcclain | stew: Gotcha. Great! |
| 06:39.57 | L33tMasta | Done |
| 06:39.59 | jim | all that on one line |
| 06:40.04 | L33tMasta | Should I stay in X when I run it now? |
| 06:40.08 | jim | ok, save/exit |
| 06:40.10 | L33tMasta | k |
| 06:40.11 | Penix | L33tMasta: apt-get update first |
| 06:40.25 | jim | then try to run that thing |
| 06:40.33 | jim | the thing with the sed |
| 06:40.41 | L33tMasta | W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://gulus.usherbrooke.ca etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/gulus.usherbrooke.ca_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) |
| 06:40.56 | L33tMasta | however it is installling that now |
| 06:40.58 | Penix | L33tMasta: did you add another line or just add non-free to the existing one? |
| 06:40.58 | L33tMasta | so w/e |
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| 06:41.06 | L33tMasta | So far so good? |
| 06:41.36 | jim | I suppose :) but you should see why it's claiming duplicate entry |
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| 06:41.47 | arooni-mobile | how do i list which app/process is talking on port 8003? |
| 06:41.53 | arooni-mobile | how do i fix: how to fix /usr/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/gems/mongrel-1.1.4/bin/../lib/mongrel/tcphack.rb:12:in `initialize_without_backlog': Address already in use - bind(2) (Errno::EADDRINUSE) |
| 06:41.54 | Penix | arooni-mobile: netstat, lsof |
| 06:42.24 | Penix | arooni-mobile: by killing whatever is using the port/socket/whatever |
| 06:42.38 | L33tMasta | It wants to config Xconf again |
| 06:42.45 | arooni-mobile | Penix, i dont see it in netstat |
| 06:42.50 | Penix | L33tMasta: what? |
| 06:42.56 | Penix | L33tMasta: have you completed apt-get update? |
| 06:43.01 | L33tMasta | Yes |
| 06:43.04 | jim | see if nvidia works as a droiver |
| 06:43.07 | L33tMasta | Then I ran the longer nvidia command |
| 06:43.08 | stew | awmcclain: though i'm wondering if you really need to be supplying build-arch. it is an optional target |
| 06:43.20 | Penix | L33tMasta: and it wants to configure what?? |
| 06:43.27 | L33tMasta | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 06:43.39 | L33tMasta | It ran the Xconf again for detecting vid card and stuff |
| 06:43.45 | Penix | L33tMasta: yes, like you told it to |
| 06:43.51 | awmcclain | stew: It's stubbed out in the dh-make-perl deb files. That's why I'm a little confused about the differences. |
| 06:43.55 | Penix | L33tMasta: now go through the config process and select the 'nvidia' driver |
| 06:43.56 | L33tMasta | So what settings should I use this time |
| 06:43.57 | stew | awmcclain: if you are not building an arch specific package, what are you doing in build-arch? |
| 06:44.00 | L33tMasta | nv |
| 06:44.01 | Penix | L33tMasta: instead of nv or vesa/vga |
| 06:44.03 | Penix | L33tMasta: no |
| 06:44.19 | jim | try nvidia instead of nv |
| 06:44.37 | awmcclain | stew: Oh, actually, i think it's a null target... "binary-arch:;" |
| 06:44.56 | L33tMasta | Should I reboot? |
| 06:44.59 | awmcclain | Sorry, my attempt to patch one package has ballooned into 6 custom dependency packages, so I'm trying to wrap my head around a lot of concepts. |
| 06:44.59 | Penix | L33tMasta: no |
| 06:45.02 | L33tMasta | k |
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| 06:45.06 | L33tMasta | now what |
| 06:45.08 | Penix | L33tMasta: once you've done configuring X, run X |
| 06:45.12 | L33tMasta | I'm in X |
| 06:45.17 | Penix | L33tMasta: restart it then |
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| 06:45.34 | stew | awmcclain: then any build dependencies NOT needed for running "debian/rules clean" can be moved to build-depends-indep |
| 06:45.47 | JabbaHutt | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.52 | awmcclain | stew: Can, or should? |
| 06:45.56 | Penix | what error? |
| 06:45.59 | stew | awmcclain: should |
| 06:46.00 | awmcclain | Should, right? |
| 06:46.04 | JabbaHutt | no devices detected |
| 06:46.11 | stew | not must |
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| 06:46.17 | awmcclain | stew: Ok, thank you. I appreciate the help. |
| 06:46.20 | streuner_ | http://80.237.206.16:7620 (music-stream), if you like some Deep Purple ;-) |
| 06:46.28 | JabbaHutt | what is the pci code update command |
| 06:46.38 | streuner_ | update-pciids |
| 06:46.39 | Penix | JabbaHutt: why? do you have more than one card enabled? |
| 06:46.48 | JabbaHutt | no |
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| 06:49.50 | JabbaHutt | nv still crashes X |
| 06:50.16 | Penix | you don't want nv |
| 06:50.25 | streuner_ | real *buntu user dont give up on that :-/ |
| 06:50.27 | Penix | it doesn't support your card. that's why you installed the nvidia drivers |
| 06:50.56 | JabbaHutt | Ok so what do I select when it starts to config Xconf |
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| 06:51.09 | JabbaHutt | nvidia |
| 06:51.11 | Penix | JabbaHutt: I told you, the 'nvidia' driver. not 'nv' |
| 06:51.11 | JabbaHutt | duh to me |
| 06:51.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi all :) |
| 06:51.39 | streuner_ | and, we told you before, just read some docs |
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| 06:52.54 | streuner_ | /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx is a good start too |
| 06:53.16 | JabbaHutt | FATAL: module nvidia not found |
| 06:53.37 | JabbaHutt | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernal module! |
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| 06:53.54 | JabbaHutt | Screens found but none have a usable configuration? |
| 06:54.14 | nevyn | they can't even spell kernel. |
| 06:54.28 | nevyn | and you trust these people to write core os software BAH I say |
| 06:54.39 | JabbaHutt | that was my bad |
| 06:54.45 | Penix | !lose nevyn |
| 06:54.45 | dpkg | nevyn: You Lose. |
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| 06:54.55 | methril | morning |
| 06:55.02 | JabbaHutt | arrrg |
| 06:55.10 | streuner_ | nevyn: hehe :-) |
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| 06:55.46 | vaenilicious | how to download jailshell ? |
| 06:55.57 | methril | i've a question about a daemon. I try to start the atftpd in inted, but it doesn't support ipv6 for connection. I put dgram & udp (not udp6) but looks like is listening in the ipv6 addr |
| 06:56.08 | methril | Do you have any idea? |
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| 06:57.01 | vaenilicious | someone here ? |
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| 06:57.18 | streuner_ | !find jailshell |
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| 06:58.10 | streuner_ | vaenilicious: it seems to me its not in Debian |
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| 06:58.25 | vaenilicious | it is in debian |
| 06:58.30 | vaenilicious | my friend has it |
| 06:58.37 | vaenilicious | but he cant remember |
| 06:58.41 | streuner_ | hm, that doesnt say much... |
| 06:58.53 | vaenilicious | ! find jailshell |
| 06:58.54 | methril | no idea? |
| 06:58.55 | methril | :D |
| 06:59.07 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'jailshell' returned no results. |
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| 06:59.23 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'jailshell' returned no results. |
| 06:59.32 | JabbaHutt | none of this works |
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| 07:00.46 | streuner_ | vaenilicious: http://www.jmcresearch.com/projects/jail/howto.html |
| 07:01.12 | LimCore | s/j/f |
| 07:01.27 | JabbaHutt | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernal module! |
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| 07:01.32 | streuner_ | vaenilicious: learn to use google :-P |
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| 07:03.13 | nevyn | JabbaHutt: apt-get install module-assist |
| 07:03.15 | JabbaHutt | Maybe I should just install Vista and have a working laptop |
| 07:03.19 | JabbaHutt | k |
| 07:03.27 | nevyn | then run it and use it to get the required kernel module working and stuff |
| 07:03.48 | JabbaHutt | No such package |
| 07:04.19 | nevyn | module-assistant - tool to make module package creation easier |
| 07:04.22 | nevyn | my bad |
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| 07:04.34 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 07:04.37 | nevyn | you'll allso want build-essential or build_essential |
| 07:05.01 | streuner_ | !b-e foo |
| 07:05.01 | dpkg | foo: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 07:05.28 | JabbaHutt | So I run module assistant |
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| 07:06.08 | streuner_ | just download nvidia-glx, in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx is everything what you need |
| 07:06.21 | Cyor | Lo, I'm going to use renice to slow a process down, does anyone know the value of 'Normal' speed to put it back afterwards? |
| 07:06.25 | streuner_ | !info nvidia-glx stable |
| 07:06.48 | nevyn | Cyor: only root can reduce niceness. |
| 07:06.51 | Azar | omg elections have been done! Congrats Debian |
| 07:07.02 | Cyor | nevyn: yeah I'm logged in as root |
| 07:07.19 | nevyn | Cyor: most apps run nice 0 |
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| 07:07.49 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776-4 (etch), Packaged size: 3217 kB, Installed size: 10624 kB |
| 07:07.55 | JabbaHutt | nvidia-glx is already installed |
| 07:08.12 | streuner_ | good, just read the docs there, everything is explained there |
| 07:08.23 | nevyn | JabbaHutt: that's the userspace bit. |
| 07:08.23 | JabbaHutt | README.txt.gz |
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| 07:08.50 | streuner_ | you might need other version of nvidia-glx, because 8x isnt supported from that package... |
| 07:08.56 | nevyn | modules-assistant will give you an ncurses thingy to let you build and install the appropriate module for your kernel |
| 07:09.05 | nevyn | oh. |
| 07:09.08 | nevyn | stable. |
| 07:09.39 | nevyn | flees to his horribly crashy and unreliable unstable. |
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| 07:09.47 | JabbaHutt | package was not built sucsessfully |
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| 07:10.48 | JabbaHutt | now it's going |
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| 07:10.58 | JabbaHutt | nope failed |
| 07:11.30 | nevyn | JabbaHutt: did you install build-essential? |
| 07:11.34 | JabbaHutt | yes |
| 07:11.51 | JabbaHutt | should I use nvidia-kernel or nvidia-kernal-legacy |
| 07:12.15 | Azar | streuner_: how is going with nvidia issues nowadays? if "the debian way" does not go ok, users will just use the ugly blob until a package is made? |
| 07:12.21 | jim | isn't legacy for older nvidia cards? |
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| 07:12.32 | JabbaHutt | It's going like shit. my 8600GT isn't working at all |
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| 07:12.36 | doogers | Hi! |
| 07:12.51 | nevyn | legacy is for older cards. |
| 07:12.55 | doogers | Is there the dev channel where discuss about deb packages? |
| 07:13.00 | nevyn | and there are multiple versions of legacy |
| 07:13.01 | streuner_ | Azar: users have to enable the brain ;-) |
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| 07:13.34 | Azar | streuner_: well yes, but those "latest" nvidia cards/drivers did not made it yet to debian... |
| 07:13.59 | streuner_ | Azar: sure, but there always backports or you just create them |
| 07:14.22 | Azar | streuner_: backports will require a newer kernel too? |
| 07:14.27 | streuner_ | no |
| 07:14.31 | JabbaHutt | How the heck do you people use this day after day? |
| 07:14.38 | JabbaHutt | All it's doing is spewing out errors |
| 07:14.43 | Azar | ah cool |
| 07:14.55 | Azar | JabbaHutt: are you trying to use a backport? |
| 07:15.04 | JabbaHutt | I don't know what I'm doing anymore |
| 07:15.29 | Azar | just cool off and have some read at backports and how is correctly done |
| 07:15.42 | JabbaHutt | I'm trying to install Debian on a Dell XPS M1530 laptop and get my GeForce 8600M GT card working under X at 1440 x 900 |
| 07:16.10 | JabbaHutt | And so far it's been nothing but hell |
| 07:16.10 | doogers | Is there the dev channel where discuss about deb packages? |
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| 07:17.26 | Azar | JabbaHutt: if you want resolution you need to try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 07:17.28 | simonrvn | doogers: what is it you want exactly? |
| 07:17.48 | streuner_ | JabbaHutt: http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/XPSm1530 |
| 07:18.20 | JabbaHutt | Wow |
| 07:18.24 | JabbaHutt | Nothing works on it |
| 07:18.37 | simonrvn | porbably very new |
| 07:18.37 | Azar | I was almost to buy a Gateway laptop 15" today brand new for only $699.00 |
| 07:18.39 | simonrvn | pro* |
| 07:19.24 | JabbaHutt | Ubuntu wasn't so bad. it atleast worked |
| 07:19.24 | doogers | simonrvn : I would like ask something about deb pack creation |
| 07:19.38 | doogers | like... |
| 07:19.41 | simonrvn | just ask |
| 07:20.12 | doogers | http://pastebin.com/m24ac0150 <.--- this is gconf2 rules... why there are many file included? |
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| 07:20.36 | simonrvn | oh it works, just with stuff like ndiswrapper and nvidia binary-only stuff |
| 07:20.51 | doogers | what? |
| 07:21.34 | JabbaHutt | I'm close to just tossing Vista back on it so I can use it |
| 07:21.36 | Azar | waitaminute.... every year another DPL? I thought every debian release will get a new DPL |
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| 07:21.59 | streuner_ | bo |
| 07:22.01 | streuner_ | no |
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| 07:22.12 | streuner_ | Azar: sledge is the new DPL now |
| 07:22.14 | Azar | so each DPL could get the chance to have a Debian toy name |
| 07:22.24 | Azar | :) wow |
| 07:22.38 | Azar | Sam H did not got the chance to get any |
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| 07:22.54 | streuner_ | thats not important |
| 07:23.21 | Azar | yeah somewhat.. |
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| 07:24.42 | ghis | Hi everyone. I got a mailserver with 2 nics. Each have a static ip on two different local subnets. I would like to have all outgoing traffit going out on nic#1. Can i just skit gateway on nic#2? |
| 07:24.59 | ghis | skit = skip* |
| 07:25.05 | dondelelcaro | ghis: you should only have one default gateway anyway, so yes. |
| 07:25.45 | ghis | thnx |
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| 07:27.26 | Azar | mannn, I am in luck, I can buy a Debian CD directly from Steve! with his autograph too, I guess. |
| 07:27.46 | Azar | ...after I instally it I frame it and put it on the wall! |
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| 07:28.06 | rvalles | why not just download and burn an iso? |
| 07:28.06 | rvalles | :P |
| 07:28.20 | rvalles | pointless. |
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| 07:28.53 | stew | dondelelcaro: if a package is distributing source files with "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - it is generated by Glade" but not actually distributing the .glade files used to create the source, is that a dfsg violation? |
| 07:29.13 | simonrvn | doogers: that's for building gnome packages |
| 07:29.21 | dondelelcaro | stew: quite likely to be, yes. |
| 07:29.39 | dondelelcaro | stew: it's definetly an RC bug |
| 07:29.45 | simonrvn | doogers: had rl health issue to take care of, hence my late reply |
| 07:29.49 | stew | files |
| 07:29.53 | Azar | rvalles: because anyone can get one this way |
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| 07:32.10 | nvz | ugh.. lost access perms to a damnb folder on the vista laptop somehow.. I am the owner and the administrator yet can't access something |
| 07:32.56 | rvalles | Azar: pointless, I say |
| 07:33.00 | Azar | nvz: dark secrets of vista |
| 07:33.04 | stew | dondelelcaro: yeah, its GPL 2, which contains the "preferred form of the work for making modificaitons" clause, so it's a license violation |
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| 07:33.33 | dondelelcaro | stew: yeah; probably just an upstream oversight; I'd fine a bug and mail them and/or check their svn to see if they're located there. |
| 07:33.38 | nvz | Azar: pain in my ass is what it is |
| 07:33.59 | nvz | Azar: if I had a live cd or something it would be great right now |
| 07:34.17 | simonrvn | nvz: it's called format c: |
| 07:34.34 | Azar | nvz: years ago before I quit on that OS I had a tool that could reverse that situation, but then again, was the XP |
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| 07:34.56 | onvsop | hello :) |
| 07:35.17 | nvz | yeah well I had a friend here and enabled the guest account then made it so only the admin could fuck with my user's files |
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| 07:35.28 | Azar | nvz: I bet if you google the topic you will find ways to solve it |
| 07:35.47 | onvsop | does anyone knwo if it's possible to compile nvidia drivers in testing with a 2.6.24-1 kernel, using nvida_post_etch method ? |
| 07:35.57 | nvz | now it won't let anyone touch em.. but luckily I just found a debian live cd and a debian netinstall |
| 07:36.01 | onvsop | there are errors while trying to compile the kernel module |
| 07:36.13 | nvz | though they will probably only read it |
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| 07:36.48 | nvz | I'd have to setup this computer to share the wifi with the laptop I got the dish on the debian box right now |
| 07:36.52 | cyberagent | how can I enable hdparm on raid disks? |
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| 07:37.24 | nvz | havent got around to setting up the dhcpd and crap |
| 07:37.29 | Azar | nvz: you got an actual live firewall running on it? |
| 07:37.40 | nvz | a what? :-P |
| 07:37.54 | Azar | firewall, on that lapy |
| 07:38.05 | nvz | whatever comes with windows vista |
| 07:38.18 | nvz | I probably have anything I could find disabled |
| 07:38.35 | Azar | nvz: try to put the firewall on disable/stop mode |
| 07:38.47 | Azar | from services |
| 07:38.59 | nvz | the firewall has nothing to do with anything right now |
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| 07:40.07 | cyberagent | how can I tweak my "/dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 on / type ext3 (rw)" using hdparm? (hdparm is only for IDE disks, right?) |
| 07:40.11 | nvz | I'm in an RV the only way I am connected to the internet is via the Wireless-G dish thats plugged into the desktop, theres no way in hell this laptop can reach that signal two blocks away from in here |
| 07:41.09 | nvz | I guess I don't really have to install dhcpd I guess I could just bridge the dish to the ethernet |
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| 07:41.40 | nvz | have the other machines get on directly to the AP |
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| 07:42.04 | nvz | sounds easier that way |
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| 07:43.21 | nvz | I have a wireless router hooked to my desktop that I could use to wirelessly hook up the laptop and pocket pc in here, but I guess I gotta fool with the settings on it to make that happen |
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| 07:48.03 | Azar | yeah crazy.... I had to reinstall my PCs all over again Saturday.. took me whole day, trips to Frys to get extension cables, new ethernet cables chewed by cat.. |
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| 07:49.41 | Azar | damn, from 6 CDs to 14, etch 21, how many will Lenny have? thats c.r.a.z.y |
| 07:50.03 | Azar | with each new release, more code? |
| 07:50.34 | tarzeau | Azar: more software and more data |
| 07:50.35 | stew | Azar: so far 28 cds |
| 07:50.37 | Azar | I kinda like using only 1 CD to install, like it used to be |
| 07:50.39 | tarzeau | Azar: it's about 50:50 |
| 07:50.43 | Azar | wow |
| 07:50.51 | tarzeau | Azar: you still can just use one cd to install debian |
| 07:51.00 | Azar | cool |
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| 07:51.16 | Azar | then get only what I really want.... still a good deal |
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| 07:52.03 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 07:52.03 | dpkg | qotd147 is, like, <alcros> sorry, I was trying to read the guidelines |
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| 07:52.19 | Azar | hahaha |
| 07:52.20 | maligor | Azar, it'll still fit on a BD-R :P |
| 07:52.32 | maligor | maybe |
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| 07:54.09 | DustyDingo | hm, is the debian-mulimedia rep allready obsolete or does the mplayer there feature some codes, which the mplayer in the official testin contr/non-free rep doesn't include? |
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| 07:54.48 | Azar | maybe they are in testing mode.... to full people |
| 07:54.54 | Azar | *fool |
| 07:54.58 | streuner_ | codecs are non-free... |
| 07:55.55 | nevyn | lots of codecs are non-free |
| 07:55.58 | nevyn | some are free |
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| 07:56.26 | Azar | it's like, when you get a try-me shareware and if you want more, oopss does not work |
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| 07:56.49 | nevyn | some claim to be free but may be patent encumbered regardess depending on who's talking at the time |
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| 07:57.11 | Duddle | hello everybody! I want to implement a password convention like "minimum 2 lower case characters" on my system, how would I do this? I cannot find anything useful in the PAM-manpages, and pam_cracklib is not exactly what I want |
| 07:57.21 | Azar | nevyn: is like the toothbrush is free but it does not come with a non-free toothpaste |
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| 07:58.18 | nevyn | Duddle: it can be done but pam_cracklib is almost certainly better than any static rules. |
| 07:58.55 | stew | Duddle: why not enhance cracklib to do what you want? |
| 07:59.00 | onur | Hi. I install ftpd. I added my username to /etc/ftpusers. But i must restart or reload this config to ftpd. How can i do that? |
| 07:59.05 | nevyn | Duddle: the only reason I can come up with for password complexity rules as opposed to just passwords that are strong enough to pass pam_cracklib is if you need to explain password strength to an auditor |
| 07:59.22 | Azar | wishes he could have got all Cebian Releases CD with signature of the teams from Potato to date.... that would have made a good collection |
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| 07:59.56 | nevyn | ie you need to explain to someone (like the DSD or DOD) that your system implements strong password checking by ensuruing passwords meet the following criteria |
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| 08:00.45 | Azar | wow there are software auditors too? |
| 08:00.59 | stew | certainly |
| 08:01.11 | Azar | mann.... I would like a job like that |
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| 08:01.43 | nevyn | Azar: unfortunatly the people who create jobs like that all make things that kill people |
| 08:01.47 | zyx386 | how to install flashplugin on Lenny? |
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| 08:02.02 | nevyn | Azar: this has previously kept me awake. |
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| 08:02.15 | Azar | nevyn: uh? how come kill/ |
| 08:02.19 | stew | nevyn: that's not true |
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| 08:02.28 | nevyn | s/all/tend to/ |
| 08:02.28 | zyx386 | ? |
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| 08:02.45 | Azar | I guess an auditor ensures quality of the software if I am not mistaken |
| 08:03.05 | Duddle | system crashed, so I'll ask again: hello everybody! I want a password-convention like "minimum 2 lower case chars" on my system, but PAM-manpages don't help me |
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| 08:03.54 | nevyn | Strict security requirements tend to flow from military security and defense contracts. |
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| 08:04.09 | stew | nevyn: and banks |
| 08:04.26 | nevyn | stew: I dunno about that I have friends that work in banks. |
| 08:05.30 | stew | i have had to personally deal with extremely strict security auditing coming from people like visa |
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| 08:05.50 | Lethalman | hello |
| 08:06.04 | Lethalman | I've upgraded debian testing from debian etch |
| 08:06.09 | nevyn | visa's common security requirements are a kitten compared to the stuff I've delt with. |
| 08:06.20 | Lethalman | is there a way to get partitions mounted without writing fstab entries? |
| 08:06.22 | Lethalman | i'm using HAL |
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| 08:06.51 | nevyn | hrm hometime |
| 08:06.55 | nevyn | well gym |
| 08:07.12 | stew | nevyn: then you shouldn't be suprised that people are asking about things stronger than cracklib |
| 08:08.41 | Azar | speaking of non-free plugins re: Sarge last update: "Flashplugin-nonfree has been removed, as this is closed source and we don't get security support for it." GOOD! personally I never used plugins |
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| 08:09.20 | Lethalman | anyone? |
| 08:09.26 | Lethalman | no one using HAL to mount partitions without fstab entries? |
| 08:09.27 | Azar | nevyn: yeah banks are still in murky waters when it comes to security |
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| 08:10.07 | wesley | Hi |
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| 08:10.55 | wesley | Does someone here know if there is an official djbdns package for etch? |
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| 08:11.14 | wesley | please :) |
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| 08:11.44 | dondelelcaro | wesley: yes, there is; it's in unstable, and there's probably a djbdns-source package in stable. |
| 08:11.59 | stew | !info djbdns-installer |
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| 08:12.02 | dondelelcaro | (though I'm not sure at all why you'd want to run djbdns) |
| 08:12.10 | stew | !info djbdns-installer stable |
| 08:12.11 | dpkg | djbdns-installer: (Source only package for building djbdns), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 1.05-11 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 08:12.21 | dutchfish | hi, i am testing kvm on qemu with lvm2 on 2.6.24.4 with virtio, so far i have PCI, BLK, NET working but have lot off problems with RING and the BALLOON driver. What i want to know if there is any on going effort to implement virtio in sid already? |
| 08:12.52 | stew | wesley: the -installer package was in contrib for etch. not djbdns package was in etch when it was released becuase at the time of release djbdns was not free |
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| 08:19.07 | dutchfish | nvm, i just found russels patches for 2.6.25-rc8 wich solves a lot of problems, thanks anyway |
| 08:19.09 | Stereo | hello |
| 08:19.32 | Stereo | I've added this to my /etc/crontab: 00 10 * * 1-5 tapenagger /usr/local/sbin/tapenagger |
| 08:19.41 | wesley | stew: so what is the cleanest way to install it then? |
| 08:19.44 | Stereo | it's supposed to run a command as user tapenagger |
| 08:20.02 | Stereo | and I get "CRON: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info." in my syslog |
| 08:20.21 | Stereo | tapenagger is uid=260(tapenagger) gid=260(tapenagger) groups=260(tapenagger),26(tape) |
| 08:20.26 | Stereo | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 08:21.43 | dutchfish | Stereo, has the owner of you tapenagger the rights to be run, and is it executable? |
| 08:21.49 | dondelelcaro | Stereo: what does getent passwd tapenagger? |
| 08:21.55 | stew | wesley: backporting the unstable package probabaly (/msg dpkg ssb) ; however, one would wonder why you want djbdns instead of some dns server that is in etch and therefore easier to install and more likely to have good security support such as bind9 |
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| 08:23.18 | wesley | stew: all my other dns's are djbdns |
| 08:23.28 | wesley | so I would like to keep thing as standard as possible |
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| 08:25.00 | alexbod1 | hello friends |
| 08:25.02 | nite613_ | If copying files from a mounted smbfs of cifs share (samba server side) is terribly slow, must slower than to my windows machine or xbox, then what am I doing wrong? |
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| 08:25.20 | tarzeau | nite613_: how slow? |
| 08:25.38 | nite613_ | ~5-600kb/s on a 100MB lan |
| 08:25.53 | nite613_ | I can do 7MB/s off that share |
| 08:25.56 | alexbod1 | may i add a mime type temporarily, for one user only? |
| 08:26.01 | tarzeau | nite613_: do you have a fullduplex/halfduplex problem? |
| 08:26.06 | Stereo | dondelelcaro: tapenagger:x:260:260:Tape Nagger:/dev/null:/bin/false |
| 08:26.08 | tarzeau | nite613_: a card set to something wrong? |
| 08:26.08 | nite613_ | from other machines, but not through smfs |
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| 08:26.17 | dutchfish | nite613_, it could be hardware (net) related or tweak your samba for performance (and yes smb is slooowww) |
| 08:26.18 | Stereo | dondelelcaro: should that be true? |
| 08:26.19 | tarzeau | nite613_: is this only for the cifs share? |
| 08:26.31 | Stereo | dutchfish: I'm sorry, I couldn't parse that |
| 08:26.34 | nite613_ | tarzeau: No, it works fine from other machines. |
| 08:26.45 | nite613_ | Yes, general network speeds are high |
| 08:26.59 | Caelum | nite613_: test your ftp speed from that machine or something |
| 08:27.13 | dondelelcaro | Stereo: so that's the autethentication information for tape nagger; giving it a home directory of /dev/null is broken. |
| 08:27.21 | Stereo | dutchfish: I think -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 411 2008-04-13 15:51 /usr/local/sbin/tapenagger is what you're after. It runs fine as root. |
| 08:27.26 | dondelelcaro | Stereo: the home directory must be chdir-able. |
| 08:27.37 | Stereo | aha |
| 08:30.19 | zWW | Hi |
| 08:30.22 | zWW | some network guru here ? |
| 08:30.31 | zWW | For a startup you can request a /21 @ ripe |
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| 08:30.38 | zWW | can you get a /14 to ? |
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| 08:30.49 | zWW | or does that get you in high end already? |
| 08:30.58 | dondelelcaro | zWW: if there are any left and you can document that you're going to be using it, you should be able to. |
| 08:31.00 | R1ck | try asking ripe |
| 08:31.14 | dondelelcaro | though it's doubtful that they'd actually give you one |
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| 08:31.28 | dondelelcaro | I mean, whole universities only have a single /16 |
| 08:31.31 | nite613_ | Hmmm, FTP speeds are also slow - weird. I guess this is a problem for tomorrow Very tired |
| 08:32.08 | zWW | dondelelcaro: will that increase my assignement window? |
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| 08:33.18 | zyx386 | i have lenny installed, but in system monitor is (Debian Release (n/a)?? |
| 08:34.06 | simonrvn | zWW: i had to give good reasons for my /28 to my isp, ripe is gonna be a lot harder on you ;) |
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| 08:34.35 | mquin | zWW: I'd expect you'll need to have a really convincing argument to get a /14. I'm not saying it'll be impossible, but be prepared for a lot of questions. They'll not just hand over an assignment because you've asked. |
| 08:34.36 | dutchfish | nite613_, http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/appb.pdf (if its not hardware) |
| 08:34.51 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I mean, you basically have to document that you're going to be using near to 90% of a /14 |
| 08:35.02 | zyx386 | ?? |
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| 08:35.19 | mquin | zWW: mind if I ask what you need that much address space for? |
| 08:35.23 | dondelelcaro | (and even then, you're probably talking about multiple /16s anyway) |
| 08:37.45 | dutchfish | zyx386, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:38.10 | zyx386 | lenny/sid |
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| 08:39.41 | zyx386 | dutchfish, ? |
| 08:39.47 | zyx386 | sid! |
| 08:40.09 | dutchfish | zyx386, cat /etc/debian_version tells you your curent version. |
| 08:40.29 | zyx386 | yes but is lenny/sid |
| 08:40.36 | dutchfish | zyx386, no |
| 08:40.37 | zyx386 | i dont install the sid |
| 08:40.40 | zyx386 | just lenny |
| 08:41.39 | zyx386 | debian:/home/manu# cat /etc/debian_version lenny/sid |
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| 08:41.55 | suppaman | hello |
| 08:42.04 | dutchfish | zyx386, again tell me output of /etc/debian_version |
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| 08:42.20 | zyx386 | lenny/sid |
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| 08:43.18 | suppaman | how can I switch to automatic bootloader menu when installing new kernel images? |
| 08:43.38 | suppaman | I'm currently using hand made lilo.conf |
| 08:44.02 | dutchfish | zyx386, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=467219 |
| 08:44.11 | suppaman | but I've seen on a fresh new install often menu.list has autogenerated images |
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| 08:45.12 | zyx386 | dutchfish, that is bug, not solution |
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| 08:45.35 | dutchfish | zyx386, a known bug |
| 08:46.43 | dutchfish | zyx386, well lenny is still ... testing ... it will be solved |
| 08:46.57 | zyx386 | ok thanx |
| 08:47.24 | suppaman | any hint? I mean I don't know if have to reconfigure some package I already have or what |
| 08:47.49 | dutchfish | suppaman, why not use grub? |
| 08:48.06 | suppaman | dutchfish: I didn't say I wouldn't |
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| 08:48.26 | Stereo | dondelelcaro: I'm still getting "CRON: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info." with tapenagger's home dir set to /var |
| 08:48.29 | suppaman | it's just an old install, probably from 2.x and at the time I went with lilo |
| 08:48.38 | suppaman | woody? |
| 08:48.47 | Stereo | and the shell set to /bin/true |
| 08:49.29 | suppaman | dutchfish: I was told that installing memtest86+ I would have end having a voice for memory test in bootloader but having a handmade lilo.conf that's obviously not the case |
| 08:49.50 | dutchfish | suppaman, so, is it woody? |
| 08:49.59 | suppaman | no it is lenny now |
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| 08:50.06 | man_in_uni | waves |
| 08:50.06 | dutchfish | suppaman, http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/141.html |
| 08:50.23 | man_in_uni | i'm having trouble getting networkmanager to connect to a wpa network |
| 08:50.43 | dutchfish | man_in_uni, me too :) |
| 08:50.50 | suppaman | "By default Debian install Lilo on i386 arch" |
| 08:50.59 | suppaman | I don't think that's anymore true |
| 08:51.19 | dutchfish | suppaman, grub is default in sarge and higher |
| 08:51.21 | man_in_uni | dutchfish: does it work for you if you use wpa_supplicant directly? |
| 08:51.29 | jim | yeah, the installer decides the default |
| 08:51.32 | suppaman | dutchfish: and that speaks about manually edit menu.list |
| 08:51.37 | dutchfish | man_in_uni, some laptops did mostly no |
| 08:51.55 | man_in_uni | dutchfish: this one, wpa_supplicant+dhclient works, but networkmanager doesn't |
| 08:52.07 | suppaman | dutchfish: I've no problem with grub at all, I'd just like to understand how entries in bootloader menu are generated |
| 08:52.42 | Stereo | suppaman: in grub or lilo? |
| 08:52.42 | dutchfish | suppaman, its in the installer scripts of the debians kernel |
| 08:53.01 | Stereo | grub runs update-grub, lilo I have no idea |
| 08:53.09 | suppaman | Stereo: whatever |
| 08:53.28 | suppaman | dutchfish: so I'd simply switch to grub and reconfigure the kernel image? |
| 08:53.28 | dutchfish | suppaman, as far as i know, updating lilo is manual |
| 08:53.45 | Stereo | I suspect u-grub just lists the kernel stuff that's in /boot |
| 08:53.46 | dutchfish | suppaman, http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/141.html |
| 08:53.46 | man_in_uni | anyone have any idea on what's going on here? networkmanager is stuck on "Attempting to join the wireless network ..." |
| 08:54.40 | suppaman | dutchfish: that doesn't seem to be an answer, I mean I know how to install grub |
| 08:54.54 | suppaman | I'm using it, just not on this specific box |
| 08:55.12 | dutchfish | suppaman, update-grub just walks through /boot |
| 08:55.24 | suppaman | ok |
| 08:55.26 | suppaman | thanks |
| 08:56.03 | dutchfish | suppaman, i dont know how to get rid of old lilo, but thats another q |
| 08:56.15 | stew | suppaman: when a kernel package isinstalled, it runs the postinst hooks defined in /etc/kernel-img.cof, usually the postinst_hook says to run 'update-grub' which inspects /boot and comments in menu.lst and generates a new menu.lst |
| 08:56.20 | suppaman | get rid? I think installing a new bootloader is enough |
| 08:56.28 | stew | suppaman: it is |
| 08:56.38 | dutchfish | stew, ah ok |
| 08:56.44 | suppaman | but I won't trash my lilo.conf for now |
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| 08:56.59 | dutchfish | mumbles something about backups |
| 08:57.37 | suppaman | another question: I'd like to see those nice 3d effect when in xorg, this is a ppc computer,is that compiz or what I should search for? compiz? |
| 08:57.50 | suppaman | s/compiz?// |
| 08:57.50 | larsemil | suppaman: yes compiz |
| 08:57.54 | dutchfish | !compiz |
| 08:57.54 | dpkg | compiz is probably a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 08:58.09 | suppaman | larsemil: and for hw accelerated glx ? |
| 08:58.24 | suppaman | larsemil: glxinfo output says I'm using SGI's |
| 08:58.32 | suppaman | and that's bad afair |
| 08:58.39 | larsemil | suppaman: glxinfo | grep rendering |
| 08:58.52 | dutchfish | suppaman, http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 08:58.52 | suppaman | direct rendering: Yes |
| 08:59.09 | larsemil | ati card? |
| 08:59.12 | vaenilicious | how do i do a bash restrict in debian ? |
| 08:59.15 | suppaman | Ati |
| 08:59.18 | vaenilicious | for ssh |
| 08:59.27 | suppaman | larsemil: is it fine? |
| 08:59.35 | Stereo | vaenilicious: a bash restrict? |
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| 08:59.41 | zWW | mquin: provider split between 2 country's |
| 08:59.45 | larsemil | suppaman: then you are probably running the open source driver for your ati card. it is great enought for compiz but will lag if you play newer games |
| 08:59.49 | vaenilicious | Stereo: yes |
| 08:59.58 | larsemil | suppaman: but look at that url you got |
| 08:59.59 | Stereo | you want to restrict the user to running only bash, and not, say, zsh? |
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| 09:00.15 | maligor | larsemil, might have trouble running fglrx on a ppc, heh |
| 09:00.17 | vaenilicious | yes |
| 09:00.20 | suppaman | larsemil: I'm reading, is there a better (closed) driver for older ati cards? |
| 09:00.53 | maligor | fglrx only exists on x86,x86_64 |
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| 09:01.03 | larsemil | maligor: ah missed the ppc aspect. |
| 09:01.03 | maligor | latest versions only support r300 and later also |
| 09:01.05 | Stereo | your users will always be able to run another shell. We used to do it on the university Sun server where the default shell was some sort of csh. |
| 09:01.18 | stew | vaenilicious: what is "a bash restrict"? |
| 09:01.38 | vaenilicious | stew: to restrict user from using all commands |
| 09:01.41 | Stereo | restricting shell choice will only annoy your users |
| 09:01.43 | Stereo | oh |
| 09:01.47 | Stereo | that's something else |
| 09:01.52 | vaenilicious | okey, |
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| 09:02.05 | Stereo | well, nothing stops them from copying statically compiled binaries and executing them |
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| 09:02.11 | stew | vaenilicious: there is no way to do that with bash |
| 09:02.20 | vaenilicious | but my friend has it |
| 09:02.33 | Stereo | your friend thinks so :) |
| 09:02.41 | stew | vaenilicious: ask him what version of bash he uses |
| 09:02.47 | stew | vaenilicious: or how he set it up |
| 09:02.55 | suppaman | restarting xorg |
| 09:03.06 | Stereo | hmm |
| 09:03.06 | vaenilicious | we are in school, and I have setup a tunnel from home, and i dont want my users to use all commands, |
| 09:03.09 | vaenilicious | only ifstat |
| 09:03.13 | Stereo | oh |
| 09:03.19 | Stereo | set the login shell to ifstat |
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| 09:03.52 | vaenilicious | how ? |
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| 09:04.16 | suppaman | lollish |
| 09:04.26 | suppaman | there's just this warning: libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x4b |
| 09:04.40 | stew | vaenilicious: if you can limit them to logging in via ssh keys, you can limit what they can do with a key using command= in the authorized_keys file |
| 09:04.40 | Stereo | edit /etc/passwd to have /usr/bin/ifstat as a shell for that user instead of /bin/bash, and add /usr/bin/ifstat to /etc/shells |
| 09:04.46 | [kladizkov] | how can i get the disk usage of hidden directories? |
| 09:04.48 | suppaman | but I can live with it as long I don't know what that 0x4b means |
| 09:05.03 | suppaman | [kladizkov]: du -s .* ? |
| 09:05.04 | stew | [kladizkov]: what are hidden directories? |
| 09:05.12 | suppaman | stew: dotted names |
| 09:05.20 | vaenilicious | stew: this is so complicated. |
| 09:05.28 | suppaman | stew: but, hey, I asked the same question in my mind |
| 09:05.31 | stew | vaenilicious: what you want cannot be done with bash |
| 09:05.45 | stew | suppaman: your answer includes "hidden" files then as well |
| 09:06.04 | suppaman | acute |
| 09:06.19 | suppaman | then a find with -type -name with a regexp and -exec |
| 09:06.33 | suppaman | [kladizkov]: what do you really want? |
| 09:06.49 | stew | [kladizkov]: if you mean files starting with ., then "du -s .*/" |
| 09:07.17 | vaenilicious | stew: you know Deepa ? |
| 09:07.24 | stew | vaenilicious: no |
| 09:08.11 | vaenilicious | stew: okey, well he said that to me, he's pretty good. But i guess that you are better with this |
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| 09:08.47 | vaenilicious | stew: and he told me that i could do it with bash. |
| 09:08.52 | dutchfish | vaenilicious, maybe he meant a chrooted shell? |
| 09:08.54 | stew | vaenilicious: ask him how |
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| 09:09.35 | stew | vaenilicious: i'll bet the solution doesnt' involve bash at all, or else it doesn't accomplish what you want |
| 09:10.10 | dondelelcaro | it's probably something like rssh or similar |
| 09:10.55 | dondelelcaro | Stereo: if your cron problem is still unresolved: do you have any unusual limits configured for cron? |
| 09:11.22 | vaenilicious | stew: bash -r ? |
| 09:11.28 | dondelelcaro | Stereo: does /etc/pam.d/cron exist? |
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| 09:13.12 | vaenilicious | stew: bash -r ? |
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| 09:14.32 | suppaman | that's not good, compiz doesn't allow me to send windo upward the screen |
| 09:14.54 | dondelelcaro | vaenilicious: you just run bash from within bash -r, and it's magically no longer restricted. |
| 09:14.56 | larsemil | suppaman: that is a setting called something like Constrain Y and is configurable |
| 09:15.10 | suppaman | larsemil: well I ran it just for the fun |
| 09:15.31 | dondelelcaro | (there are almost an infinite number of ways to get a shell) |
| 09:15.47 | larsemil | suppaman: what i mean is that you are four clicks away from a solution if you installed compizconfig-settingsmanager |
| 09:15.52 | larsemil | or whatever the name is |
| 09:16.57 | suppaman | larsemil: I can't find it |
| 09:16.57 | dutchfish | vaenilicious, as stew said you can restrict the user solely to his home dir with a restricted shell, but not prevent running his own executables |
| 09:17.47 | larsemil | suppaman: sudo apt-get install compizconfig<tab> |
| 09:17.53 | dondelelcaro | even then you can't restrict them to their home directory unless you don't want them to run any commands at all |
| 09:18.07 | dondelelcaro | (in which case, why even give them a shell?) |
| 09:18.14 | suppaman | larsemil: there's no such package |
| 09:18.17 | vaenilicious | well, we're in school, and i set up my tunnel at home. Because we have restricted internet, but i can connect to my tunnel and use IM |
| 09:18.22 | vaenilicious | and stuffs like that |
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| 09:18.30 | larsemil | suppaman: strange, i installed it yesterday |
| 09:18.36 | suppaman | larsemil: I just have compiz-X where X is core dev gnome gtk plugins |
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| 09:18.39 | suppaman | larsemil: on etch? |
| 09:18.44 | larsemil | oh i use lenny |
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| 09:18.52 | suppaman | larsemil: there we go |
| 09:19.01 | vaenilicious | and i want to restrict my users so they dont do anything stupid on my computer @ home |
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| 09:21.02 | suppaman | bye thanks |
| 09:21.06 | amphi | suppaman: no ccsm on etch - you must use gconf-editor |
| 09:21.09 | amphi | bah |
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| 09:21.58 | ghis | Anyone here good @ regexps? |
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| 09:22.20 | larsemil | ghis: i found a cool thing the other day... |
| 09:22.28 | ghis | sorry |
| 09:22.28 | XoX | what to do when a printer i need isn't in hplip in etch? |
| 09:22.34 | XoX | only in sid or lenny ? |
| 09:22.40 | larsemil | ghis: http://www.txt2re.com/ |
| 09:22.48 | ghis | Could someone help me translate (\n\nFrom [\t ]*[^\t\n ]+[\t ]+[^\n\t ][^\n]*\n) to windows new lines? |
| 09:23.21 | ghis | i tried with (\r\nFrom [\t ]*[^\t\n ]+[\t ]+[^\n\t ][^\n]*\r\n) but with no luck |
| 09:23.36 | dutchfish | ghis, from |
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| 09:24.04 | man_in_uni | ghis: windows newlines are composed of \r\n. that's EVERY \n becomes a \r\n |
| 09:24.27 | dutchfish | !info from |
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| 09:24.42 | ghis | iam trying to migrate windows style mbox format to maildir |
| 09:25.06 | ghis | i tried several scripts but they dont find any mails inside the mbox file |
| 09:25.08 | makdaknife | ghis: mbox2maildir |
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| 09:25.29 | RichiH | is it possible to use a windows active directory as a ldap/kerberos authority for linux boxen? |
| 09:25.54 | dutchfish | !info tofrodos etch |
| 09:25.58 | dpkg | tofrodos: (Converts DOS <-> Unix text files, alias tofromdos), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.7.6-2 (etch), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 09:26.09 | mquin | RichiH: yes |
| 09:26.18 | RichiH | mquin: got a link handy? |
| 09:26.41 | larsemil | why is fglrx blacklisted in compiz even though the newest fglrxdriver supports it |
| 09:27.04 | Stereo | dondelelcaro: yes, /etc/pam.d/cron exists but it seems to be the default |
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| 09:28.06 | mquin | RichiH: not to hand (I'll have a dig in a minute, though), but it's pretty straightforward - for auth you just need to install krb5 and point it at your domain controller |
| 09:28.46 | mquin | for account data (NSS) you'll need the unix schema set up on your domain - the easiest way to do that is to install SFU |
| 09:29.07 | dutchfish | mquin, is it simular to ntlmaps? |
| 09:29.16 | ghis | makdaknife, mbox2maildir worked! Thanks, i tryied like 5 other perl scripts but none of them worked.. |
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| 09:29.44 | makdaknife | ghis: great... its done me a few favours in the past |
| 09:30.04 | mquin | dutchfish: no |
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| 09:30.44 | mquin | dutchfish: ntlmaps is a means of authentitcating against a NTLM-using HTTP server from a client that doesn't support ntlm |
| 09:30.55 | dutchfish | mquin, yes |
| 09:31.20 | Stereo | it's odd, I told cron to run whoami for tapenagger and stereo, and only stereo came through |
| 09:31.22 | mquin | what RichiH is asking about is using an AD domain for user and authentication services, a la NIS |
| 09:31.58 | RichiH | mquin: sfu? |
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| 09:32.33 | dutchfish | mquin, ah, so it can be used along with pam too? |
| 09:32.47 | Stereo | the differences I can think of are: stereo has zsh as a shell, stereo has a password, stereo has a home that belongs to him in /home |
| 09:32.53 | mquin | RichiH: Services For Unix |
| 09:33.12 | mquin | dutchfish: yes, there's a pam-krb5 module |
| 09:33.22 | dutchfish | mquin, thank you |
| 09:34.15 | Stereo | hmm |
| 09:34.23 | Stereo | I think it might be the password |
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| 09:36.05 | Stereo | ooh |
| 09:36.14 | Stereo | tapenagger wasn't in /etc/shadow ! |
| 09:36.26 | Stereo | thank you dondelelcaro and dutchfish :) |
| 09:36.33 | mquin | RichiH: suprisingly I can't seem to find a debian-specfic guide to setting this up.. might need to write one later |
| 09:36.35 | larsemil | is there a high mem limit in the 2.6.24-486 kernel? |
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| 09:37.20 | dondelelcaro | Stereo: oh. don't tell me you added it manually to /etc/passwd |
| 09:37.40 | Stereo | I might have /o\ |
| 09:37.43 | dutchfish | mquin, wondering if it is possible to emulate AD on samba/cifs on debian already? |
| 09:37.43 | dondelelcaro | Stereo: always use adduser |
| 09:38.15 | dutchfish | mquin, ldap |
| 09:38.30 | mquin | RichiH: as a starting point install krb5-user libnss-ldap and libpam-krb5, and read the documentation and configuration files that come with them |
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| 09:38.49 | RichiH | mquin: ta |
| 09:38.50 | Stereo | I suppose rtfm'ing on adduser might be a good thing to do now |
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| 09:39.03 | skyowner | hi |
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| 09:39.13 | skyowner | i have a little but very simple problem |
| 09:39.20 | skyowner | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.27 | skyowner | at the end of each line of a file |
| 09:39.33 | skyowner | how can i do that with sed for sample ? |
| 09:40.07 | mquin | dutchfish: as I understand it yes, but as there's already an AD infrastructure here (and a great admin running it) I've not needed to go down that route |
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| 09:40.26 | dutchfish | mquin, ok :) |
| 09:40.35 | larsemil | why is my 1024 m of ram reported as 885 in debian? |
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| 09:42.12 | YAPDog | I'm building a debian package that almost works but amusingly it doesn't copy the two files in the package in to the actual .deb it generates. Anyone have an pointers to a simple example Makefile I could have a look at? |
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| 09:42.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | skyowner: man sed |
| 09:42.46 | Stereo | thank you again, dondelelcaro |
| 09:43.02 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've never used sed but was able to construct a sed command that did exactly what you wanted by reading a couple paragraphs of the sed manpage |
| 09:43.09 | YAPDog | It does put everything else (like the README) in the right place so it's either the rules or Makefile I've broken |
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| 09:43.20 | dondelelcaro | Stereo: np |
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| 09:43.46 | dondelelcaro | YAPDog: which two files? |
| 09:43.47 | esteel | hi rpedro_ :) |
| 09:44.15 | XoX | dh_shlibdeps -a --dpkg-shlibdeps-params=--ignore-missing-info |
| 09:44.15 | XoX | dpkg-shlibdeps: unknown option `--ignore-missing-info' |
| 09:44.26 | YAPDog | a script and a man page. install ./debian/usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check-mail $(BINDIR)/check-mail (from the makefile) |
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| 09:44.42 | Stereo | skyowner: what Blast_Hardcheese said. You probably want something like sed 's%\n%> /dev/null 2>&1/g' with proper escaping |
| 09:45.03 | dondelelcaro | XoX: you're building something that expects a newer version of dpkg-dev than you've got installed. |
| 09:45.21 | XoX | dondelelcaro, yes , i am backporting hplip to etch |
| 09:45.34 | XoX | dondelelcaro, from sid |
| 09:45.37 | dondelelcaro | XoX: you can probably safely kill off that parameter and rebuild it. |
| 09:45.39 | wireddd | I feel like messing around and making some animated gifs, what should I make them in? |
| 09:46.20 | dondelelcaro | YAPDog: uh... surely it's the other way around? |
| 09:46.28 | YAPDog | Ah |
| 09:46.30 | Stereo | wireddd: gimp probably |
| 09:46.30 | YAPDog | I'll check |
| 09:47.00 | dondelelcaro | YAPDog: also, why are you repackaging nagios? |
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| 09:47.07 | XoX | dondelelcaro, ok thanks |
| 09:47.09 | dutchfish | wireddd, http://www.nwe.ufl.edu/writing/help/graphics/gimp/animation.shtml |
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| 09:47.28 | YAPDog | Not nagios , just some standalone extra plugins. |
| 09:47.38 | jolelion | hello everybody |
| 09:48.18 | jolelion | I'm facing a problem, I baught an asus A7Sn-7S004C - Intel core 2 Duo T9300 |
| 09:48.30 | YAPDog | dondelelcaro: didn't work, I still don't those two files in the .deb |
| 09:48.43 | themill | wireddd: you can animate the cluebat of #debian smite the hordes of trolls and idiots from the channel... |
| 09:48.54 | themill | smiting* |
| 09:49.04 | jolelion | I tried to use the debian ia64 installer but I finally understood that I can't use for my arch |
| 09:49.13 | Stereo | jolelion: are you the joelthelion who's on reddit? |
| 09:49.43 | Stereo | yeah, you probably want the i386 installer |
| 09:49.53 | dutchfish | themill, count me in ;) |
| 09:49.55 | jolelion | so I tried the i386 but the installer just say tha t it can't find a kernel for my processeur |
| 09:50.07 | Stereo | hmm |
| 09:50.43 | jolelion | so I just google over this problem . Some people says to trie amd64 but I have the same error message |
| 09:50.57 | dondelelcaro | YAPDog: you only listed one file that I could see. |
| 09:51.01 | themill | jolelion: core2duo will use either amd64 or i386 arch. Within i386 you can use either -amd64 or -686 kernels. |
| 09:51.15 | aLone | hy, i need bugs, if u have, pm me, thx friend |
| 09:51.15 | dondelelcaro | YAPDog: anyway, if you're still having a problem, put the diff.gz, orig.tar.gz, and .dsc for your package up somewhere. |
| 09:51.22 | dondelelcaro | aLone: eh? |
| 09:51.22 | jolelion | Stereo: no I'm not joelthelion |
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| 09:51.26 | YAPDog | dondelelcaro: the other line is almost the same apart from it being a man path. |
| 09:51.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell aLone -about bts |
| 09:51.44 | YAPDog | dondelelcaro: http://www.unixdaemon.net/nagios-check-local-mail-plugin-0.1.tgz |
| 09:51.54 | YAPDog | It's going to be something really obvious |
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| 09:52.30 | jolelion | themill: amd64 and I386 both gave me the same message error : no adaptable kernel could be find |
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| 09:54.43 | dutchfish | jolelion, have you tried kmuto's kernel? http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi |
| 09:55.01 | jolelion | dutchfish: what is it? |
| 09:55.09 | themill | Is the etchnhalf installer ready for use? |
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| 09:56.36 | streuner | How can i set in apache2 the servername? |
| 09:56.53 | dutchfish | jolelion, http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 09:57.48 | dondelelcaro | YAPDog: first off, you still have the order wrong, second, DESTDIR isn't set sanely, third, you can just do all of what you're doing with install calls directly from debian/rules; you don't need to call make. |
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| 09:58.03 | dondelelcaro | YAPDog: also, since you have to all target, the default target is install, which doesn't do the right thing by default at all. |
| 09:58.10 | dondelelcaro | s/to/no/ |
| 09:58.19 | YAPDog | Sorry, that was from my clean version before the changes. |
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| 09:58.25 | themill | streuner: in the virtual host config, use the ServerName directive |
| 09:58.52 | themill | streuner: see also ServerAlias if you want it to respond to example.com as well as www.example.com. |
| 09:59.05 | dondelelcaro | YAPDog: see http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/nagios-check-local-mail-plugin-0.1.fixed.tar.gz |
| 09:59.12 | ignotus | hi, is there software for showing me how I created a filesystem? E.g. with what command could I replicate the exact options etc? (I need this for reiser and ext3) |
| 09:59.26 | ignotus | I don't want to "rediscover" it |
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| 10:00.57 | XoX | what are debugging symbolic information |
| 10:01.02 | dondelelcaro | ignotus: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 10:01.15 | dondelelcaro | XoX: functions, line numbers, etc. |
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| 10:01.20 | ignotus | dondelelcaro: I would like to migrate to a new hdd |
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| 10:01.53 | YAPDog | dondelelcaro: that's perfect, thank you. I'll diff the two trees and have a look until I know where I went wrong. I've got half a dozen like this to do so this is really helpful, thank you. |
| 10:01.53 | dondelelcaro | ignotus: so partition and/or make filesystems however you want them on the new harddrive, and copy stuff over |
| 10:02.41 | XoX | dondelelcaro, why are these kept is a seperate package? |
| 10:02.52 | dondelelcaro | XoX: because you only need them if you're debugging |
| 10:03.29 | ignotus | dondelelcaro: yeah, thanks, but I don't have the mental energy to read up on man pages etc (because the default options are not good enough for me). I guess I have though up I think:) |
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| 10:03.43 | dondelelcaro | ignotus: uh... why are the default options not good enough for you? |
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| 10:04.11 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, if you haven't read the manpages, how do you *know*?) |
| 10:04.48 | ignotus | dondelelcaro: I set up this hdd years ago, I simply don't remember the exact options I used to create the filesystem. The number of inodes and I dontknow what else one can specify upon creating |
| 10:04.57 | ignotus | filesystems* |
| 10:05.26 | ignotus | like in MySQL you can do SHOW CREATE TABLE; a show mkfs filesystem; would be nice for me:) |
| 10:05.49 | dondelelcaro | ignotus: you shouldn't need to specify the number of inodes. The defaults are almost always good enough. |
| 10:06.04 | dondelelcaro | ignotus: and even if you were, unless it's a harddrive of exactly the same size, the numbers that you had would be wrong. |
| 10:06.40 | dondelelcaro | dumpe2fs will give you the raw numbers, but that's probably not particularly useful. |
| 10:06.42 | XoX | dondelelcaro, so it's the same binary, libs , only with debug symbols included?? |
| 10:06.50 | dondelelcaro | XoX: no, it's just the debug symbols. |
| 10:07.03 | ignotus | dondelelcaro: I understand, I would use my previous numbers to scale it up. I understand that the defaults are good enough, but mine computed values are better. Is it worth doing what I do? Probably not, but I do it anyways, aiee:) |
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| 10:07.10 | XoX | dondelelcaro, how is it used? |
| 10:07.23 | dondelelcaro | ignotus: what are you doing with this harddrive anyway? |
| 10:07.25 | dutchfish | ignotus, i think if you where a clever (read lazy) admin, you have backups, on those backups you can look it up in your .history files ;) |
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| 10:07.49 | dondelelcaro | XoX: it's used by gdb to debug coredumps |
| 10:07.56 | dondelelcaro | XoX: info gdb; for details |
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| 10:08.02 | ignotus | dutchfish: omggggggggg I have the lines in my zsh history, thanks:)))) |
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| 10:08.52 | sdousley|work | Hi all, i need to get some MS Truetype fonts onto a machine, I know there's the "msttcorefonts" package, but that wont install it has no installation candidate. Any ideas? |
| 10:09.00 | ignotus | dondelelcaro: just my home machine:) |
| 10:09.03 | themill | dutchfish: export PROMPT_COMMAND="$PROMPT_COMMAND;echo $$ $USER $(history 1) >> ~/.bash_eternal_history" |
| 10:09.18 | dutchfish | themill, even better ;) |
| 10:10.12 | dondelelcaro | ignotus: uh... then the defaults are far better than any numbers you're going to compute. |
| 10:10.24 | themill | dutchfish: or something like that. I have that on my shells as it saves the contention between which bash gets to save its history. But I also have a few other things to change the title and colour of the konsole tab depending on what machine and what user I'm logged on to etc. |
| 10:10.46 | dutchfish | themill, yup |
| 10:10.48 | dondelelcaro | (about the *only* time they're wrong is when you're running a news server or a mail spool where you need more inodes, or some kind of video store, where the default number of inodes is *way* overkill) |
| 10:11.03 | disposable | is it possible to grep for xxxx OR yyyy? |
| 10:11.12 | dondelelcaro | disposable: -e xxxx -e yyyy; man grep |
| 10:12.15 | man_in_uni | and that's not the only way |
| 10:12.19 | disposable | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 10:12.25 | disposable | man_in_uni: what's the other? |
| 10:13.02 | man_in_uni | testing |
| 10:13.34 | mquin | test failed |
| 10:14.17 | sdousley|work | Anyone any ideas how to get around a problem installing a package that errors: "msttcorefonts has no installation candidate" |
| 10:14.53 | man_in_uni | disposable: depends if you want to use egrep or not |
| 10:14.59 | themill | !tell sdousley|work about msttcorefonts |
| 10:16.41 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, curieus how the kernel handles an out of inodes ... what will happen? |
| 10:16.50 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: it throws an error |
| 10:17.00 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: same sort of thing that happens when you run out of diskspace |
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| 10:17.26 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, and thats it? no mystery reboot/trap ? |
| 10:17.48 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, never had that myself, but still |
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| 10:18.08 | dondelelcaro | dutchfish: nope |
| 10:18.09 | dutchfish | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 10:18.24 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty rare to run out of inodes nowadays, but it can happen |
| 10:18.31 | themill | sdousley|work: it's in contrib; you need to make sure your sources.list has contrib included in it. |
| 10:18.39 | dondelelcaro | 0 |
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| 10:19.04 | sdousley|work | themill: ah, ok, is that something that's safe to do on a production server? |
| 10:21.27 | themill | sdousley|work: should be fine. But know that you might be installing software that depends on non-free software and understand the implications of that for security support as well as your freedom. |
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| 10:24.12 | FunctorSalad | is it possible to somehow install kde4 without affecting my existing kde3 (including settings)? |
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| 10:24.45 | themill | !tell FunctorSalad about kde4 |
| 10:25.48 | themill | FunctorSalad: I believe those experimental packages will use a ~/.kde4 directory (for the time being) to help with that. But you should check that out on #debian-kde. |
| 10:26.05 | FunctorSalad | themill: I see. though I guess I could put it as a general question "how to install multiple versions of a package" :) |
| 10:27.32 | themill | FunctorSalad: the answer to that question is "you can't". Unless the packagers have made packages designed to be installed side by side (see python and gcc for examples). I believe the kde packagers have done that for kde4, but you have to ask them. |
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| 10:28.18 | FunctorSalad | thanks! |
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| 10:38.40 | anabain | if I reinstall debian in a system with a separate /home partition and instruct the installer to use it as /home in the new system (without modifying it, of course), what will happen when the installer requests for a *new user* account? Can I enter the same user I had previously? Will this step be overriden by the installer, as it will recognize previous users' info? |
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| 10:40.41 | idimmu | it should be ok anabain |
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| 10:40.55 | idimmu | it wont delete your porn or anything |
| 10:41.05 | idimmu | it will just use the existing directory as it's home |
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| 10:41.31 | anabain | and what about new user request? |
| 10:41.48 | idimmu | same thing |
| 10:41.53 | idimmu | they wont lose their porn either |
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| 10:43.00 | vsd | how can i add mod_rewrite to apache? |
| 10:43.07 | anabain | I mean: if I have john user already in /home, and I am requested by the installer to create a new user, can this new user be john, or should I create a new one, idimmu ? |
| 10:43.23 | SlayerXP | vsd: install the module, enable it with a2enmod |
| 10:44.00 | idimmu | anabain: you can call the new user john |
| 10:44.09 | vsd | SlayerXP, how do i install it? it doesnt exist on the repos |
| 10:44.13 | idimmu | and it will use the /home/john directory for it's homedir that already exists |
| 10:44.25 | anabain | ok |
| 10:44.28 | anabain | thanx |
| 10:44.55 | SlayerXP | vsd: it may be included by default, in fact I think it is |
| 10:45.27 | poncha | guys. anyone knows how to identify mp3 file (i need duraion, bitrate) from command line ? |
| 10:45.33 | idimmu | yes! |
| 10:45.49 | idimmu | dnuos |
| 10:46.00 | idimmu | or oidua |
| 10:46.02 | poncha | idimmu: is that for me ? |
| 10:46.05 | idimmu | yup |
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| 10:46.13 | idimmu | oidua is probably in yor repo (its in ubuntu anyway) |
| 10:46.14 | poncha | thanks, checking up |
| 10:46.17 | vsd | SlayerXP, no because a2enmod says it doesnt exist |
| 10:46.23 | idimmu | but dnuos is 100 times better |
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| 10:46.36 | idimmu | and will tell you the latest lame preset (-Vx --vbr-new etc etc) |
| 10:46.37 | poncha | better as in faster ? |
| 10:46.40 | SlayerXP | vsd: then it's not installed |
| 10:46.43 | idimmu | better as in more accurate |
| 10:46.46 | poncha | aha |
| 10:46.53 | vsd | SlayerXP, yes how do i install it |
| 10:47.04 | SlayerXP | vsd: the same way you'd install any other debian package |
| 10:47.08 | idimmu | speed is mute, both only read like 3 bytes out of the header |
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| 10:48.04 | SlayerXP | vsd: also you're wrong, mod rewrite is in the default apache 2 package |
| 10:48.33 | vsd | SlayerXP, how do you tested? |
| 10:48.41 | Knight_Lord | Can anyone try to explain me why sometimes my system block when I try to stat a non existing file on an NFS partition? |
| 10:48.43 | vsd | SlayerXP, it doesn't exist as a pkg |
| 10:49.33 | Knight_Lord | This only happens after a while, but then it happens for every file |
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| 10:50.10 | Knight_Lord | Is also seems to only happen with certain hosts |
| 10:51.04 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way of knowing where stat64() is stalling and why? |
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| 10:53.04 | poncha | idimmu: dnuos source tarball has (misteriousely) "debian" subfolder? do you know if that is to build a deb from it ? |
| 10:53.29 | idimmu | id imagine it is |
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| 10:54.24 | idimmu | in fact it has all the necessary files in there, so yes |
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| 10:54.46 | idimmu | tries to make a deb for a giggle |
| 10:54.49 | idimmu | i just installed from source |
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| 10:55.16 | poncha | supposed to be dpkg-buildpackage inside the src dir ? |
| 10:55.36 | themill | eww... upstreams that ship a debian dir :( |
| 10:55.51 | YAPDog | dondelelcaro: one thing I don't understand from the packing help you gave me earlier - why is the tree replicated between usr and debian/usr? |
| 10:55.58 | poncha | maybe i found modified src too :) |
| 10:56.09 | idimmu | pkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 10:56.13 | idimmu | is what im trying |
| 10:56.14 | YAPDog | The one under usr gets installed so why have the other one? |
| 10:56.18 | idimmu | isnt package expert |
| 10:56.24 | idimmu | im just unlucky enough to work with the irssi maintainer |
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| 10:56.38 | idimmu | he beats me until i do it right :( |
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| 10:57.22 | suppaman | hello |
| 10:58.05 | suppaman | I start vncserver as a user at boot time, when I do this any rxvt that I run doesn't parse ~/.shrc of the user |
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| 10:58.33 | suppaman | if I kill the vncserver launched at boot time and relaunch it by hand environment is good tho' |
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| 10:59.19 | suppaman | I understand that this is something related to invoking environment but how should I do it in order to launch vncserver exactly as if it was launched by the user? |
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| 10:59.43 | idimmu | poncha: dnuos_1.0-1_all.deb :) |
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| 11:01.01 | poncha | idimmu: *scratches head* and what provides dpkg-buildpackage ? obviousely i dont have it on my system |
| 11:01.30 | YAPDog | poncha: dpkg-dev |
| 11:01.36 | idimmu | what he said |
| 11:01.50 | YAPDog | I had an answer. Wow, that's different. |
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| 11:02.00 | YAPDog | I normally just ask stuff ;) |
| 11:02.24 | idimmu | i also needed python-dev and cdbs |
| 11:02.38 | XoX | hey |
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| 11:02.46 | idimmu | themill: what is so wrong with people supplying tarballs with debian directories? |
| 11:02.58 | XoX | shouldnt there be a hplip file in /etc/init.d ? ? |
| 11:02.59 | XoX | in sid |
| 11:03.05 | suppaman | anyone ? |
| 11:03.06 | XoX | for hplip |
| 11:03.23 | suppaman | I'm using start-stop-daemon -S -c username -d /home/username |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'linux-headers-2.6.22-4/scripts/Kbuild.include' returned no results. |
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| 11:05.50 | poncha | got dnuos_1.0.2-1_all.deb :) |
| 11:05.56 | poncha | nice |
| 11:06.35 | suppaman | process UID seems to be fine as it is 1000 |
| 11:06.43 | suppaman | I mean Xrealvnc's UID |
| 11:06.48 | suppaman | I can't understand this |
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| 11:07.19 | themill | idimmu: it makes it much harder to make a change to the packaging -- to change just the packaging, you effectively need a new upstream release. ISTR there's a section in the new maintainer's guide about this (/msg dpkg nmg) (and recentish threads on both debian-mentors and the debian-science lists). It also makes it more work to get the package into debian-proper. |
| 11:08.19 | idimmu | id imagine that only becomes an issue if they apply to get their app in debian though |
| 11:08.21 | poncha | idimmu: hm... it looks however that i cannot ask it get information about individual file :) |
| 11:08.28 | idimmu | or if a maintainer picks it up |
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| 11:10.20 | idimmu | well it does directories of files |
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| 11:10.53 | _go_od_day | I am trying to create patch. New version has few empty file. Using command patch -Naur olddir newdir > version.patch. Now when I apply patch to old dir it fails to create empty files present in new version. |
| 11:12.50 | poncha | in my case it's directories with thousands of mp3 files in them and i need only one file at any given moment |
| 11:13.09 | idimmu | ah |
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| 11:13.33 | idimmu | libmp3-info-perl might be your friend then :) |
| 11:13.52 | poncha | ok :) |
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| 11:20.33 | JyZyXEL | !nvidia |
| 11:20.33 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. |
| 11:21.06 | zpon | !dhcp |
| 11:21.07 | dpkg | hmm... dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 11:21.11 | zpon | !dhcp client |
| 11:21.12 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. If you have trouble with 2.4.x kernels, try "apt-get install dhcp3-client" (instead of dhcp-client). In potato, same thing but without "auto eth0". see 'kernel options for dhcp' or 'kernel dhcp'. |
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| 11:21.31 | poncha | idimmu: hehe... ffmpeg -i filename.mp3 2>&1 | grep Audio |
| 11:22.08 | idimmu | ooh nice, didnt think to try that |
| 11:22.13 | idimmu | adds that to his arsenal |
| 11:22.14 | idimmu | cheers |
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| 11:23.40 | iguanna | hi all, is usefull dd command to make a backup of the complete hard disk? |
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| 11:24.16 | poncha | hm... some mp3 files have more than one auio stream inside them according to ffmpeg |
| 11:24.31 | poncha | just found one with 9 streams |
| 11:24.36 | idimmu | haha |
| 11:24.56 | poncha | 2 out of 9 are ... video o_O |
| 11:24.59 | poncha | inside mp3 ?? |
| 11:25.30 | poncha | it does not look right :) |
| 11:26.22 | zpon | pocukrani, if you watch a movie in mplayer with multipel audio streams, you can press shift + # to change stream |
| 11:26.26 | zpon | ups |
| 11:26.32 | zpon | that was to poncha |
| 11:27.10 | poncha | zpon: but the file is mp3 ... that is a song track, i am quite sure :) |
| 11:27.44 | zpon | okay, didn't know if that was possible on mp3's as well |
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| 11:33.24 | damnnazi | how to install java ? |
| 11:33.31 | JyZyXEL | sudo m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-legacy-source |
| 11:33.35 | JyZyXEL | there is no such packet?? |
| 11:33.56 | suppaman | JyZyXEL: lenny? |
| 11:34.08 | JyZyXEL | yea lenny |
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| 11:35.35 | suppaman | I can't build modules due to lack of kernel headers package |
| 11:35.51 | suppaman | I think I could just install kernel source as well but I'm too lazy |
| 11:36.03 | JyZyXEL | Debian users running Linux kernel versions 2.4 or 2.6, with either stock or custom kernels, and with Sarge or Etch. |
| 11:36.07 | zpon | you proberly need to add a repository |
| 11:36.09 | JyZyXEL | what the fuck are Sarge and Etch |
| 11:36.15 | suppaman | ask dpkg |
| 11:36.20 | suppaman | I bet he knows |
| 11:36.20 | JyZyXEL | !sarge |
| 11:36.21 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended at 03/31/2008. sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch> |
| 11:36.24 | JyZyXEL | !etch |
| 11:36.24 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 11:36.25 | JyZyXEL | !lenny |
| 11:36.26 | dpkg | i guess lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
| 11:36.26 | JyZyXEL | !sid |
| 11:36.27 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 11:36.37 | suppaman | possibly in query |
| 11:36.57 | JyZyXEL | gah no drivers for lenny |
| 11:37.00 | suppaman | again, any hint about the wrong environment when launching vncserver with start-stop-daemon |
| 11:37.13 | liable | JyZyXEL: would you mind not spamming the channel, and msg the bot. |
| 11:37.14 | JyZyXEL | maybe i can install the ones ment for etch? |
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| 11:37.27 | anatole_man38 | hi |
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| 11:38.09 | muhah | JyZyXEL: yeah the channel is scrolling so FAST already |
| 11:38.13 | muhah | ;) |
| 11:38.17 | anatole_man38 | I have some problems with making raid on the root filesystem, someone can help me ? |
| 11:38.24 | JyZyXEL | i can't use privmsg |
| 11:38.31 | JyZyXEL | for some reason i don't know |
| 11:38.37 | muhah | liable: he cant use privmsg you know |
| 11:39.06 | idimmu | isnt talking in a channel a privmsg? |
| 11:39.13 | muhah | no |
| 11:39.24 | idimmu | i think it is |
| 11:39.25 | liable | muhah: so, if another 100 people couldnt use privmsg you think that it would be fine to just see bot spam all day? |
| 11:39.26 | JyZyXEL | actually it might be |
| 11:39.29 | JyZyXEL | i think so too |
| 11:39.40 | liable | no it is not |
| 11:40.23 | muhah | liable: hypothetics is not my interest |
| 11:40.23 | JyZyXEL | but when i try PRIVMSG to users |
| 11:40.23 | idimmu | i think someone needs to read the IRC RFC |
| 11:40.23 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 11:40.23 | JyZyXEL | its in the IRC rfc |
| 11:40.24 | muhah | liable: lets stick to the facts shall we |
| 11:40.24 | JyZyXEL | it IS infact a privmsg you use to message channel |
| 11:40.24 | JyZyXEL | but well.. |
| 11:40.24 | JyZyXEL | i didn't really mean it |
| 11:40.26 | liable | muhah: yes, the facts are he should fix his client or get another one. |
| 11:40.26 | idimmu | we're kinda being picky i think :) |
| 11:40.42 | muhah | liable: now that you know it yes |
| 11:40.44 | JyZyXEL | its not abou the client |
| 11:40.48 | JyZyXEL | its about the server |
| 11:40.59 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't let me |
| 11:41.04 | anatole_man38 | excuse me i don't speak english very well |
| 11:41.12 | anatole_man38 | but i need help about mdadm |
| 11:41.12 | muhah | is there an openbox channel ? |
| 11:41.19 | JyZyXEL | whats that? |
| 11:42.01 | idimmu | mdadm is the raid config tool |
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| 11:42.26 | anatole_man38 | can i expose |
| 11:42.29 | anatole_man38 | sorry |
| 11:42.37 | anatole_man38 | can I expose the problem on the chan ? |
| 11:42.44 | idimmu | explain |
| 11:42.51 | iguanna | could i make a image of my hard disk such like using norton ghost with 'dd' command? |
| 11:43.07 | idimmu | but maybe, when it comes to making the / partition raided i prefer to let the installer do that and cross my fingers |
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| 11:43.19 | idimmu | iguanna: yes, or tar |
| 11:43.27 | liable | iguanna: yes, there are other backup tools though. |
| 11:43.41 | idimmu | (well tar wouldnt be an image as such) |
| 11:43.47 | idimmu | depends what the end result is |
| 11:44.05 | liable | there is a ghost like one, but i cant remember the name |
| 11:44.40 | muhah | is there a java package ? |
| 11:44.47 | muhah | which installs easily |
| 11:45.05 | anatole_man38 | I've got a server with etch , and I add a disk for making raid. I use mdadm tu create raid array for my home , var and tmp partition. I have done the same thing with the root. I modified Grub. When the server is booting, the device of the root raid is not created, so it can't mount root file system. |
| 11:45.07 | iguanna | idimmu, maybe g4u? |
| 11:45.47 | idimmu | is it for backups, an archive, copying to another hdd? |
| 11:45.55 | anatole_man38 | when I look in the / dev with the initramfs, there is no /dev/md/1 (my root), just a /dev/md/2 (my home) |
| 11:46.00 | idimmu | g4u would work |
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| 11:46.28 | muhah | iguanna: why dont you copy or tar the files |
| 11:46.28 | JyZyXEL | why does all the installers try to use gcc-4.2 |
| 11:46.39 | JyZyXEL | i have the environment variables GCC and CC set to 4.1 |
| 11:46.48 | JyZyXEL | yet all installers try use 4.1 |
| 11:46.50 | JyZyXEL | 4.2 |
| 11:47.05 | JyZyXEL | ls |
| 11:47.24 | idimmu | what about defaults/alternatives? |
| 11:47.34 | JyZyXEL | what do you mean? |
| 11:47.46 | JyZyXEL | hard coding the gcc to the installer script? |
| 11:47.53 | JyZyXEL | thats what im trying to do |
| 11:48.06 | anatole_man38 | no one has an idea ? |
| 11:48.15 | idimmu | rus@absinthe:~$ ls -al /etc/alternatives/cc |
| 11:48.15 | idimmu | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-12-18 16:49 /etc/alternatives/cc -> /usr/bin/gcc |
| 11:48.15 | idimmu | rus@absinthe:~$ ls -al /usr/bin/gcc |
| 11:48.15 | idimmu | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2007-12-18 16:47 /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.1 |
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| 11:48.36 | idimmu | oopsy |
| 11:48.46 | azeem | gcc isn't handled by alternatives though, only cc |
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| 11:48.56 | idimmu | hmm |
| 11:49.00 | muhah | haha |
| 11:49.01 | JyZyXEL | so i link my /usr/bin/gcc to /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 |
| 11:49.05 | idimmu | was just throwing ideas out |
| 11:49.19 | muhah | no idimmu was spamming |
| 11:49.21 | idimmu | heh |
| 11:49.23 | JyZyXEL | i need to also remove that link afterwards? |
| 11:49.35 | JyZyXEL | ln -s /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 |
| 11:49.40 | iguanna | muhah, i want to have a image complete of my system (hard disk), because in the moment that my hard disk is broken, i can restore this image inside another harddisk and can work again |
| 11:49.45 | idimmu | i was trying to flood you off muhah |
| 11:49.47 | JyZyXEL | would that do the trick? |
| 11:49.53 | azeem | JyZyXEL: maybe using /usr/local/bin/gcc is better |
| 11:50.00 | azeem | as /usr/bin/gcc is controlled by the gcc package |
| 11:50.02 | azeem | but your call |
| 11:50.05 | muhah | iguanna: sounds like the winblows way to do things |
| 11:50.11 | azeem | not sure whether /usr/local/bin/gcc would work |
| 11:50.18 | JyZyXEL | can i remove that link afterwars? |
| 11:50.24 | anatole_man38 | no idea about my raid ? |
| 11:50.53 | JyZyXEL | god damnit i did the wonr way again |
| 11:51.02 | JyZyXEL | i always do the ln -s wrong way |
| 11:51.05 | azeem | me too |
| 11:51.16 | muhah | iguanna: id say to you to run rsync |
| 11:51.18 | JyZyXEL | ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 11:51.52 | anatole_man38 | iguanna : you want to clone a disk ? |
| 11:51.52 | JyZyXEL | ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/bin/gcc': File exists |
| 11:51.55 | JyZyXEL | gah |
| 11:52.00 | muhah | anatole_man38: yes |
| 11:52.00 | JyZyXEL | ill rename the existing then |
| 11:52.27 | JyZyXEL | sudo mv /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gccBACKUP; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 11:52.28 | anatole_man38 | so : make the same partition table and rsync all things ;-) |
| 11:52.31 | muhah | id use the cp command |
| 11:52.34 | suppaman | JyZyXEL: you have to register your nickname in order to "privmsg" |
| 11:52.44 | iguanna | anatole_man38, i prefer a image because a clone needs more space in disk |
| 11:52.47 | JyZyXEL | god damn this |
| 11:52.51 | suppaman | that's a freenode rule |
| 11:53.05 | muhah | just copy the root dir and thats it and if you run it inside cron then its even better |
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| 11:53.09 | idimmu | i can see an easy solution then suppaman :) |
| 11:53.12 | JyZyXEL | fucking har |
| 11:53.21 | muhah | or use rsync in a cronjob |
| 11:53.24 | idimmu | remembers when they implemented that policy due to bot invasions :/ |
| 11:54.01 | muhah | when you copy from backup into a new hd then just remember to run the installer |
| 11:54.09 | iguanna | anatole_man38, you mean that i have to make the same table partition in my another hard disk? |
| 11:54.20 | muhah | no you dont need to do that |
| 11:54.26 | muhah | you run the installer for that |
| 11:54.46 | iguanna | muhah, what's installer? |
| 11:54.52 | iguanna | sorry, what installer? |
| 11:54.54 | muhah | iguanna: the installer cd |
| 11:54.55 | themill | JyZyXEL: you're better off not messing with the gcc symlink |
| 11:55.12 | JyZyXEL | already did it |
| 11:55.17 | muhah | iguanna: then you run the installer cd to add the new hd to the bootlist |
| 11:55.18 | anatole_man38 | muhah: you say save the packet list and /etc ? |
| 11:55.18 | JyZyXEL | or i don't know |
| 11:55.22 | anatole_man38 | and run the installer ? |
| 11:55.23 | JyZyXEL | im fucking desperate |
| 11:55.45 | JyZyXEL | this bullshit installer is binary and its not detecting environment variables |
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| 11:55.57 | themill | which installer? |
| 11:56.01 | JyZyXEL | NVIDIA installer |
| 11:56.03 | muhah | anatole_man38: you make a 1 on 1 copy of your filesystem and then when you restore it to another hd you just need to add that hd to your bootlist |
| 11:56.14 | JyZyXEL | is this really gonna require somekind of disassemblying |
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| 11:56.17 | themill | JyZyXEL: you don't want to use the nvidia installer anyway... and yes it's crap |
| 11:56.20 | muhah | anatole_man38: its really simple |
| 11:56.25 | themill | !nvidia compiler fix |
| 11:56.25 | dpkg | To solve the nvidia installer complaining about the gcc version not matching the kernel gcc version, in an ugly but effective way: aptitude install gcc-4.1; mkdir -p ~/bin; ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 ~/bin/gcc; export PATH=~/bin:$PATH; sh ./nvidia-installer.run; rm ~/bin/gcc But use the debian packages instead, see <why nvidia installer sucks> |
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| 11:56.40 | JyZyXEL | yaaayy |
| 11:56.55 | anatole_man38 | muhah: you copy with dd ? |
| 11:57.09 | muhah | anatole_man38: its just a one-liner in your crontab |
| 11:57.37 | anatole_man38 | on my own i prefere clone my disk periodically |
| 11:57.40 | muhah | anatole_man38: no dd needed anyway |
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| 11:59.34 | JyZyXEL | why nvidia installer sucks |
| 11:59.40 | JyZyXEL | !why nvidia installer sucks |
| 11:59.41 | dpkg | nvidia-installer works fine for you today, granted. Let's say tomorrow XFree86 is updated. nVidia will break. If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. nvidia-installer overwrites files at random, and has NO CONCEPT of package management. USE THE DEBIAN PACKAGES. Ask me about <nvidia compiler fix>. |
| 12:00.04 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 12:00.12 | muhah | yeah that sux |
| 12:00.19 | JyZyXEL | i agree |
| 12:00.19 | iguanna | muhah, excume could you give me the steps to make it? |
| 12:00.23 | iguanna | :) |
| 12:00.25 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 12:00.26 | JyZyXEL | but there is no much choice |
| 12:00.34 | anatole_man38 | hi Fox_1_ |
| 12:00.44 | JyZyXEL | "use debian pakcages" |
| 12:00.47 | iguanna | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:00.48 | Fox_1_ | people I need full directives for preseed.cfg |
| 12:00.49 | JyZyXEL | there are none |
| 12:00.50 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 12:01.01 | azeem | JyZyXEL: there are |
| 12:01.09 | JyZyXEL | not for lenny there arent |
| 12:01.10 | muhah | iguanna: you add a cronjob that runs when you dont use the pc and then you cp the / root to your backup disk |
| 12:01.11 | iguanna | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:01.24 | azeem | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:01.50 | JyZyXEL | oh comeoon |
| 12:01.54 | azeem | ? |
| 12:01.55 | JyZyXEL | i just broke my X for nothing then |
| 12:02.02 | JyZyXEL | could have told me this earlier |
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| 12:02.10 | azeem | told you what? |
| 12:02.10 | JyZyXEL | now i gotta spend the whole damn day reinstalling the whole system |
| 12:02.20 | iguanna | muhah, but how do i copy it? with cp? |
| 12:02.24 | muhah | iguanna: or you could use rsync like : rsync -avurdx --exclude-from /rsync.exclude.conf / /backup |
| 12:03.17 | muhah | iguanna: cp -au / /backup/ |
| 12:03.26 | anatole_man38 | I thing rsync is better ;) |
| 12:03.34 | muhah | rsync is nicer |
| 12:03.45 | JyZyXEL | wait can i do a purge reinstall for xfree86? |
| 12:03.53 | JyZyXEL | to overwrite the overwrited files :p |
| 12:03.54 | azeem | JyZyXEL: what are you talking about? |
| 12:04.06 | JyZyXEL | well NVIDIA installer obviosly brakes xfree86 |
| 12:04.09 | JyZyXEL | by overwriting stuff |
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| 12:04.14 | azeem | so don't use it, d'oh |
| 12:04.19 | JyZyXEL | i just did |
| 12:04.19 | iguanna | muhah, thanks, ill try rsync |
| 12:04.21 | azeem | I though we established that already |
| 12:04.27 | azeem | so uninstall it |
| 12:04.30 | JyZyXEL | you can't |
| 12:04.33 | azeem | why not? |
| 12:04.40 | JyZyXEL | the message said so? |
| 12:04.42 | JyZyXEL | ionno |
| 12:04.49 | JyZyXEL | If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break XFree86 badly. |
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| 12:04.57 | azeem | that doesn't say you cannot uninstall it |
| 12:05.00 | azeem | just that it breaks X |
| 12:05.06 | JyZyXEL | i don't care |
| 12:05.10 | JyZyXEL | if want it all off |
| 12:05.12 | JyZyXEL | --purge |
| 12:05.13 | muhah | iguanna: if you use rsync dont forget to startup the rsync server first |
| 12:05.14 | JyZyXEL | then if i reinstall |
| 12:05.19 | azeem | reinstall what? |
| 12:05.22 | JyZyXEL | maybe i get new fresh start |
| 12:05.23 | JyZyXEL | the X |
| 12:05.26 | azeem | !enter |
| 12:05.26 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 12:05.34 | muhah | iguanna: when your apt-getting it its done autmatically |
| 12:05.49 | anatole_man38 | muhah: an idea for my raid on the root ? |
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| 12:05.51 | Joe7 | hi |
| 12:05.53 | JyZyXEL | nvidia-installer --uninstall; apt-get --purge xfree86 |
| 12:05.59 | anatole_man38 | hi Joe7 |
| 12:06.02 | muhah | anatole_man38: nop |
| 12:06.05 | JyZyXEL | maybe x-server or something |
| 12:06.05 | azeem | JyZyXEL: there's no xfree86 anymore |
| 12:06.11 | JyZyXEL | well what ever its called |
| 12:06.17 | JyZyXEL | x-window-system |
| 12:06.25 | azeem | JyZyXEL: how about you do one step first |
| 12:06.29 | muhah | anatole_man38: check for error messages |
| 12:06.48 | muhah | JyZyXEL: xorg |
| 12:06.54 | JyZyXEL | ok then |
| 12:06.58 | JyZyXEL | i --purge that |
| 12:07.03 | azeem | xorg is just a meta package |
| 12:07.09 | anatole_man38 | yes , ALERT! /dev/md1 does not exist. |
| 12:07.12 | JyZyXEL | i wan't the whole shabang |
| 12:07.22 | Joe7 | I have unusually _very_ high iowait on my system, and have no idea why. IOWAIT amount is usually more than system+userload together, so something is wrong for sure. I wonder if it has anything to do with sata disks or raid arrays. Any idea anyone? |
| 12:07.24 | iguanna | muhah, ok but my worry it in the case of my hard disk crahses how do i restore my system? |
| 12:07.24 | JyZyXEL | like the whole X system what so ever |
| 12:07.36 | azeem | JyZyXEL: 1. uninstall the nvidia.com stuff, 2. apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg |
| 12:07.41 | azeem | 3. install nvidia the debian way |
| 12:07.42 | JyZyXEL | oh ok |
| 12:07.49 | JyZyXEL | sounds good |
| 12:07.55 | muhah | iguanna: you restore from a backup that is on another disk |
| 12:07.57 | azeem | JyZyXEL: now please do that and stop pondering about it for hours |
| 12:08.01 | JyZyXEL | yes |
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| 12:08.46 | muhah | iguanna: you cp the contnents back and run the installer to add that disk to your bootlist |
| 12:08.55 | themill | dpkg: why nvidia-installer sucks =~ s/XFree86/Xorg/g |
| 12:08.55 | dpkg | OK, themill |
| 12:09.03 | muhah | iguanna: its basically very simple |
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| 12:09.34 | iguanna | but i have any installer |
| 12:10.01 | muhah | iguanna: then you get a debian etch boot cd and burn it |
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| 12:10.39 | iguanna | ok muhah, i understand |
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| 12:11.14 | muhah | iguanna: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 12:12.01 | muhah | i think any cd that matches your cpu will do |
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| 12:12.20 | iguanna | muhah, well i have not exactly a debian, my system is based in debian |
| 12:12.32 | smax | How can I know when package was installed |
| 12:12.34 | smax | ? |
| 12:12.34 | muhah | doent really matter then |
| 12:12.47 | iguanna | but i suppose that i won't have problems to get it |
| 12:12.53 | zpon | exit |
| 12:13.51 | anatole_man38 | iguanna: you're running Ubuntu ? |
| 12:14.01 | smax | I wanna know when my package was installed. How can I do this using dpkg or apt |
| 12:14.17 | themill | smax: as in a date? There are logs in /var/log |
| 12:14.19 | azeem | smax: /var/log/dpkg.log in lenny/sid |
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| 12:14.29 | muhah | smax: check the timestamps on the files |
| 12:14.54 | iguanna | anatole_man38, nop, my system is a system very special its name is gnu-linex |
| 12:15.25 | iguanna | i really want to migrate a debian-etch or maybe debian-test |
| 12:15.31 | muhah | haha |
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| 12:15.55 | muhah | debian-GNU-linux comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY |
| 12:16.01 | iguanna | but first i have to raise my app v1.0 |
| 12:16.06 | anatole_man38 | lol |
| 12:16.20 | themill | muhah: the datestamps on the files are when the package was built not when it was installed. |
| 12:16.54 | smax | dpkg.log is what I need. But in rmp it is much easier |
| 12:17.26 | themill | smax: feel free to submit patches; use reportbug and attach your patch to a wishlist bug |
| 12:17.26 | XoX | anyone here use hplip in sid? |
| 12:18.08 | muhah | less /var/log/dpkg.log smax |
| 12:18.13 | smax | themill I'll think about this |
| 12:18.28 | themill | smax: please do. That's how this whole game works :) |
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| 12:19.14 | smax | muhah there is a promblem you should look in dpkg.log.1 than in dpkg.log.2 and so on |
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| 12:19.40 | smax | it's not usefull for scripts |
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| 12:19.59 | themill | smax: don't logrotate it then. |
| 12:19.59 | muhah | smax: yes ofcourse its very usefull for scripts |
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| 12:20.26 | muhah | smax: you got the files so you grep them for the package and its versionnumber |
| 12:20.50 | muhah | id say its very nice for scripting |
| 12:21.17 | muhah | if they are tarred you untar em to stdout |
| 12:21.27 | muhah | then you grep and viola |
| 12:21.40 | muhah | voila* |
| 12:21.42 | themill | zgrep |
| 12:21.58 | muhah | zgrep is tar and grep in one i suppose |
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| 12:22.26 | themill | muhah: tar is not involved, just gzip compression |
| 12:22.38 | muhah | oh ok |
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| 12:27.04 | muhah | did you hear windowz has a secret backdoor installed into its os'es |
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| 12:27.48 | muhah | scroogle NSAKEY |
| 12:27.56 | themill | very old news |
| 12:28.04 | muhah | no its not THAT old |
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| 12:28.18 | petemc | its very off topic tho |
| 12:28.24 | azeem | muhah: please keep it on topic |
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| 12:28.34 | muhah | how to install java |
| 12:28.39 | themill | !install java |
| 12:28.39 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. |
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| 12:29.45 | xda | i have exim installed but when i try mail user@host.com |
| 12:29.49 | xda | it doesn't send anything |
| 12:29.52 | xda | any clues? |
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| 12:31.35 | themill | xda: look in /var/log/mail.log to find out more |
| 12:31.44 | petemc | xda: did you configure exim? have you checked the logs |
| 12:31.49 | petemc | exim doesnt log there |
| 12:32.00 | petemc | exim4 -bP log_file_path |
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| 12:32.21 | xda | nothing |
| 12:32.36 | xda | no i didn't configure it |
| 12:32.38 | petemc | eh? |
| 12:32.47 | petemc | nothing where? |
| 12:32.50 | xda | how should i config it? specific command? |
| 12:32.56 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 12:32.59 | xda | nothing in/var/log/mail.log sorry |
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| 12:33.21 | themill | petemc: ahh... I have that log, but it only has spamd stuff in it. My bad. |
| 12:33.42 | anatole_man38 | i can't boot on my raid, need help |
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| 12:39.05 | xda | petemc, and if i have postfix? how do i config it? |
| 12:39.29 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigre postfix , i would guess |
| 12:39.44 | petemc | spell it correctly, tho |
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| 12:40.28 | paxcoder | i got a message saying: couldn't set up clock |
| 12:40.39 | paxcoder | clock tick timed out |
| 12:40.47 | paxcoder | anyone knows what's that about? |
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| 12:41.23 | paxcoder | mbo is new, so I don't think it's the batter. it still remembers time. |
| 12:41.27 | paxcoder | noone? |
| 12:41.43 | paxcoder | *batter=+y; |
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| 12:42.20 | paxcoder | you can at least say no |
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| 12:43.56 | xda | if i install postfix, will it remove exim4? |
| 12:44.03 | xda | or do i need to remove it first |
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| 12:44.15 | paxcoder | thanks for your help |
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| 12:51.28 | seriouslycgi | ive got elive (debian with enlightenment) running on this machine ( the usb wifi dongle works ) im trying to get a fresh debian install on another machine to work ( with the usb wifi dongle ) im not sure what i need to install on debian to get it to work on the new machine, can anyone help? |
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| 12:52.48 | Stereo | quick email RFC question: if I'm example.com, am I allowed to bounce MAIL FROM: <foo@example.com> messages that don't come from my servers? |
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| 12:56.53 | guilladm | hi, I set up a debian server recently and I can't make apt-get run properly anymore, loggued as root, I keep getting the error 'E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)' but I can't chmod the given file either |
| 12:56.59 | abrotman | Stereo: probably ask the channel for your SMTP |
| 12:57.03 | guilladm | anyone could tell what i am supposed to do? |
| 12:57.13 | abrotman | guilladm: remove the lock file |
| 12:57.21 | guilladm | i get the same error |
| 12:57.30 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: we would need to konw the chipset for the usb dongle thingie |
| 12:57.31 | guilladm | loggued as root, : permission denied |
| 12:57.38 | abrotman | guilladm: then you removed the wrong lock file |
| 12:57.46 | azeem | what does ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/lock say? |
| 12:57.58 | Stereo | abrotman: I'm sorry, I didn't get that |
| 12:58.00 | seriouslycgi | abrotman i have it running now there something i can type to bring it up? |
| 12:58.19 | guilladm | it says -rw-r----- 1 0 root 0 2008-04-14 07:35 /var/lib/apt/lists/lock |
| 12:58.20 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: ethtool -i eth0 .. or whatever it is .. lsmod might help also |
| 12:58.30 | seriouslycgi | k thanks |
| 12:59.10 | azeem | guilladm: what does "getent passwd | head -1" say? |
| 13:00.21 | guilladm | root:x:1:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 13:00.42 | azeem | guilladm: did you fiddle with your /etc/passwd? |
| 13:00.47 | larsemil | anyone have any experience with dell poweredge 2950? |
| 13:00.47 | guilladm | yes |
| 13:00.48 | azeem | guilladm: what does "id" say? |
| 13:01.03 | abrotman | larsemil: ask a better question |
| 13:01.09 | guilladm | i tried to create another root login |
| 13:01.19 | azeem | guilladm: why? |
| 13:01.22 | guilladm | (another login with root rights) |
| 13:01.25 | idimmu | i dated a dell poweredge once |
| 13:01.27 | idimmu | she was shit in bed |
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| 13:01.32 | azeem | guilladm: try sudo next time |
| 13:01.33 | larsemil | abrotman: i will buy a server for my small company. to use as a webserver and database server and thinking if it fits that purpose |
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| 13:02.00 | guilladm | several people ar going to log on this server, we just want anyhting to be done by the different admin to be logable |
| 13:02.03 | abrotman | larsemil: you should shop specs and linux compatibility .. not Dell #### |
| 13:02.10 | seriouslycgi | abrotman i dont know what im looking for can i paste it in #flood |
| 13:02.14 | guilladm | so that is something wrong happen, we can trace it better |
| 13:02.20 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: i'm there |
| 13:02.29 | azeem | guilladm: but you've figured out the trouble with the lock file nowà |
| 13:02.37 | BartVB | My box is receiving SYNs but is not replying to it and this is only intermittently. Any idea as to how to debug this? tcp dump is only showing the SYNs, no clue why nothing else is happing. |
| 13:02.41 | guilladm | id says 'uid=1(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)' |
| 13:02.51 | guilladm | euh no |
| 13:02.57 | azeem | guilladm: id0 is root, not the login "root" |
| 13:03.03 | azeem | you basically made root non-root |
| 13:03.10 | guilladm | uh |
| 13:03.14 | abrotman | yay security? :) |
| 13:03.15 | guilladm | ok :-) |
| 13:03.29 | guilladm | so i have t change this line |
| 13:03.34 | guilladm | in passwd |
| 13:03.38 | guilladm | ? |
| 13:03.43 | azeem | you haven't? |
| 13:03.51 | azeem | why do you ask us whether you changed it? |
| 13:03.54 | azeem | we don't know |
| 13:04.08 | guilladm | i meant i added a line in passwd |
| 13:04.08 | larsemil | abrotman: quadcore 2.33ghz 4gb ram. 6x80gb sata in raid1 for system and raid 5 for data. |
| 13:04.15 | guilladm | with same group id as root |
| 13:04.22 | azeem | guilladm: why is the first line modified then? |
| 13:04.22 | guilladm | but i did not change root line |
| 13:04.29 | guilladm | as far as i remember |
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| 13:04.35 | azeem | guilladm: maybe somebody else changed it, your l33t tracking device will tell you |
| 13:04.54 | abrotman | larsemil: i have no idea if etch is compatible with the PERC controller you're using .. but that CPU/RAM should be fine depending on the DB requirements |
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| 13:05.32 | guilladm | ok |
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| 13:05.50 | streuner | dpkg, no php is <reply> if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, clear your browser cache, and restart your browser. http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload <-- ONLY FOR apache1.x |
| 13:05.50 | guilladm | thx |
| 13:05.50 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 13:05.54 | larsemil | abrotman: well it is suppoerted by both RHEL and Suse |
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| 13:06.38 | abrotman | larsemil: that's not really helpful .. i'd need to know which kernel version the driver support went into the mainstream kernel |
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| 13:08.34 | larsemil | abrotman: the driver is apparently megaraid_sas |
| 13:08.57 | abrotman | larsemil: that driver seems to be in etch |
| 13:09.30 | larsemil | yes i read that as well. but apparently not autoloaded in kernel. will look some more on google. |
| 13:09.36 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: do you have network at all on that machine? |
| 13:10.07 | strikov | A get strange apt-get error after every attempt to upgrade/install/... something :( Please look through my log: http://paste.debian.net/825/plain/825 THANKS |
| 13:10.12 | seriouslycgi | i have eth0 but i want to mobilize it |
| 13:10.18 | seriouslycgi | abrotman |
| 13:10.34 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: and it's etch ? |
| 13:10.49 | abrotman | strikov: coreutils is broken .. |
| 13:11.00 | seriouslycgi | uname -a |
| 13:11.03 | seriouslycgi | oops |
| 13:11.11 | strikov | abrotman: and what should i do? |
| 13:11.16 | abrotman | strikov: start with the BTS |
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| 13:11.36 | strikov | abrotman: sorry, what is it (BTS)? |
| 13:11.42 | halflife08 | hello folks, i am using testing. the network interface doesn't come up with the default route to the gateway setup even though i have specified the netmask and gateway in the /etc/network/interfaces i did do man interfaces and can't seem to figure out what is wrong |
| 13:11.47 | abrotman | !bts |
| 13:11.48 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 13:11.51 | xda | where is the postfix conf file located? |
| 13:11.53 | seriouslycgi | abrotman, you mean the machine i want to use the hardware? yes |
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| 13:12.03 | azeem | xda: where did you look? |
| 13:12.14 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: m-a a-i at76c503a ... see if that will drive it |
| 13:12.47 | seriouslycgi | abrotman, im sorry what does that mean? |
| 13:12.52 | abrotman | it's a command |
| 13:12.53 | abrotman | !m-a |
| 13:12.53 | dpkg | module-assistant is probably a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 13:13.05 | larsemil | abrotman: http://linux.dell.com/debian_9g.shtml |
| 13:13.44 | seriouslycgi | !a-i |
| 13:13.45 | nkuttler | halflife08: did you ifup the interface? can you ping the gateway? |
| 13:13.47 | abrotman | larsemil: that page is out dated |
| 13:14.04 | strikov | abrotman: would u be so kind to describe what `BTS` is? Or where i can read bout it |
| 13:14.11 | abrotman | !tell strikov about bts |
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| 13:14.22 | larsemil | abrotman: oh. |
| 13:14.35 | abrotman | larsemil: you can probably just use the regular etch installer now |
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| 13:15.28 | larsemil | abrotman: will try that. otherwise i will go for sles |
| 13:15.42 | abrotman | larsemil: or you can come back here and ask us for alternatives |
| 13:15.46 | seriouslycgi | abrotman, thanks as always you help a million people |
| 13:15.56 | strikov | abrotman: thanks :) But it seems to me that i'm trying to install core-utils from `cache`. MB real package is correct now. Can i delete it from my local cache? |
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| 13:16.06 | larsemil | abrotman: of course. hp supports debian much better i read, but also more expensive |
| 13:16.15 | abrotman | strikov: aptitude clean |
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| 13:16.19 | seriouslycgi | abrotman, ill give it a shot tomorrow its late here |
| 13:16.31 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: ah .. beware that it might not work .. if not, there are other options |
| 13:16.32 | CaspeR-Bz | Hello! What could be the solution of this: http://paste.debian.net/826/ ? |
| 13:16.47 | abrotman | larsemil: yes, but it might be worth it .. also compare support terms(for hardware) |
| 13:16.52 | seriouslycgi | abrotman ok ill be back then lol |
| 13:17.12 | larsemil | abrotman: i know. will look into it really close |
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| 13:17.38 | strikov | abrotman: big thanks! |
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| 13:18.36 | strikov | Are there any `policy` to make `apt-get upgrade` e.g. do it under real console (without X) or smth? |
| 13:20.10 | CaspeR-Bz | does anyone knows what should I do for solving that problem ? |
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| 13:21.46 | beardy | strikov: No why would it. It does what you want where you do it. USE APTITUDE. |
| 13:22.28 | seriouslycgi | CaspeR-Bz, not being rude or anything, but did you read the sql manual for troubleshooting? |
| 13:22.37 | strikov | beardy: thanks |
| 13:22.38 | seriouslycgi | *mysql |
| 13:22.55 | beardy | strikov: You're welcome. |
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| 13:26.08 | CPrompt^ | hello all. for some reason X is having a hard time on my Etch machine today |
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| 13:26.48 | CPrompt^ | when I start an app, I can see the "Starting Terminal" but then it goes away. |
| 13:27.08 | CPrompt^ | After waiting forever, windows that I clicked on started opening. |
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| 13:27.35 | CPrompt^ | from a command line I tried starting k3b for instance, and I got : "XLib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server. No Protocol Specified " |
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| 13:28.05 | azeem | CPrompt^: are you logged in as root? |
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| 13:28.08 | azeem | or trying to run it as root? |
| 13:28.09 | Phlogi__ | whats a correct regexp for mailman for acceptable_aliases, if I want everything@foobar.com? *@foobar.com does not work |
| 13:28.54 | jelly | that's not a valid regexp at all. .*@foobar |
| 13:28.56 | jelly | er |
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| 13:29.08 | jelly | make it .*@foobar\.com |
| 13:29.52 | CPrompt^ | azeem : no I'm not. normal user |
| 13:30.22 | azeem | CPrompt^: at what terminal is this you run the command-line on? |
| 13:30.34 | CPrompt^ | just Terminal |
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| 13:31.00 | CPrompt^ | azeem: i finally got Terminal to come up but it took forever |
| 13:31.02 | azeem | CPrompt^: but which desktop environment? |
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| 13:31.06 | xda | in the default apache install is there anything that stops clients from outside the lan accessing it? |
| 13:31.21 | enouf | CPrompt^: perhaps you logged in as a generic user somehow? |
| 13:31.43 | CPrompt^ | azeem : sorry. Gnome |
| 13:32.16 | azeem | CPrompt^: see whether either / or /home partitions are full |
| 13:32.21 | delcoyote | hi |
| 13:32.26 | enouf | perhaps even in failsafe mode? |
| 13:32.38 | CPrompt^ | enouf: I logged in as normal and everything went fine. Splash screen came up but it would hang when it would come to "Window Manager" and "Nautilus" on the splash |
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| 13:32.58 | enouf | CPrompt^: so your DE looks all customized and normal? |
| 13:33.16 | CPrompt^ | azeem : have 75% empty on home and 65% empty on /home |
| 13:33.24 | CPrompt^ | enouf: yeah. It looks normal |
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| 13:33.30 | enouf | CPrompt^: does df -h show anything full? |
| 13:33.33 | themill | xda: yes. Look at the "Allow" directive. You can "Allow from 192.168.0" for example. |
| 13:33.33 | azeem | CPrompt^: which version of Debian? |
| 13:33.41 | CPrompt^ | azeem : Etch |
| 13:33.51 | CPrompt^ | enouf: no, I have plenty of space |
| 13:33.52 | themill | xda: That's not enabled by default, though. |
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| 13:34.12 | LassieTheBrave | so I'm fiddling with VT colors and am wondering if one could make setterm affect all VT:s? |
| 13:34.23 | CPrompt^ | another thing, I was not able to ping anything outside such as www.google.com |
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| 13:34.31 | enouf | ok, well, something is amuck, i'd likely try to logout, login again, and make sure the menu choices in GDM or whatever are correct |
| 13:34.33 | xda | themill, it should be accessible from the outside network then? |
| 13:34.33 | CPrompt^ | I was getting an internal IP address from the router though |
| 13:34.58 | enouf | CPrompt^: oh, you have a 169.254.x.x IP? look at ifconfig -a output |
| 13:34.58 | CPrompt^ | enouf: I did. I also rebooted the computer completely and still the same |
| 13:35.16 | CPrompt^ | enouf: no, I have a normal IP from the router 192.168.0.xxx |
| 13:35.17 | themill | xda: yes. |
| 13:35.17 | enouf | CPrompt^: that's an avahi-daemon or zeroconf mDNS addy |
| 13:35.21 | enouf | oh |
| 13:35.32 | enouf | CPrompt^: not the 192.x ones |
| 13:35.44 | xda | themill, thanks |
| 13:36.03 | \amethyst | LassieTheBrave: you could do something like for n in {1..12}; do setterm blah blah > /dev/tty$n |
| 13:36.08 | \amethyst | err |
| 13:36.11 | CPrompt^ | enouf: when I do ifconfig it shows the correct local IP scheme that I should. I can't ping outside though |
| 13:36.12 | enouf | CPrompt^: does 'route' output two lines? |
| 13:36.16 | \amethyst | LassieTheBrave: for n in {1..12}; do setterm blah blah > /dev/tty$n; done |
| 13:36.21 | streuner | apis:/tmp# a2enmod php5 |
| 13:36.21 | streuner | Module php5 does not exist! |
| 13:36.29 | CPrompt^ | enouf: I will check when I get back home. |
| 13:36.30 | streuner | What do i miss? |
| 13:36.34 | \amethyst | streuner: do you have libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 13:36.44 | enouf | CPrompt^: oh, well, maybe try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:36.46 | streuner | \amethyst: yes, its installed |
| 13:37.00 | LassieTheBrave | <\amethyst thanks ... |
| 13:37.05 | enouf | CPrompt^: that should run any dhclient and such stuff and add back a route, if available |
| 13:37.08 | \amethyst | streuner: did you remove stuff from /etc/apache2 at some point? |
| 13:37.27 | CPrompt^ | enouf: just not sure if that has anything to do why apps will not start up |
| 13:37.31 | streuner | \amethyst: yes, what do i miss there? |
| 13:37.50 | enouf | CPrompt^: but still , that should hage nothing to do with your errors about xlib and display :0.0 .. unless you're talking about remote connections |
| 13:37.56 | enouf | s/hage/have |
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| 13:38.19 | enouf | CPrompt^: get back home? |
| 13:38.20 | \amethyst | streuner: because the files in question (/etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.{load,conf}) are conffiles |
| 13:38.37 | CPrompt^ | enouf: right. I'm at work right now and the computer in question is my home computer ;) |
| 13:38.40 | enouf | CPrompt^: so, you're ssh'd in? |
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| 13:38.51 | enouf | well dang, why didn't you say that? |
| 13:39.52 | streuner | \amethyst: well, these files arent there |
| 13:40.26 | CPrompt^ | enouf: I don't have a way of getting online at the house. So, I thought I would ask here, make notes and try it when I get back. |
| 13:40.27 | \amethyst | streuner: then you'll have to purge and reinstall libapache2-mod-php5, or else reinstall it with -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall |
| 13:40.47 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 13:40.48 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 13:40.49 | LassieTheBrave | \amethyst : bash: syntax error near unexpected token `do'?? heh... |
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| 13:41.05 | \amethyst | LassieTheBrave: what did you write exactly? |
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| 13:41.44 | smellynoser | Is there a maximum length to an environment variable? If so, what is it? |
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| 13:42.02 | LassieTheBrave | \amethyst for n in {1..12}; do setterm -inversescreen on > /dev/tty$n |
| 13:42.19 | \amethyst | smellynoser: not for an individual variable, but for the whole environment there is |
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| 13:43.43 | pingou | hi |
| 13:43.44 | \amethyst | smellynoser: the environment plus all command-line arguments must fit within `getconf ARG_MAX` bytes |
| 13:43.51 | \amethyst | smellynoser: about 128K on Linux |
| 13:44.09 | pingou | How can I know in which version of debian I am ? |
| 13:44.14 | \amethyst | smellynoser: that's for all environment variables, as well as ARGV |
| 13:44.30 | chops | pingou: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:44.34 | streuner | \amethyst: http://weda.mine.nu/IlohaMail/ - Thank you :-) |
| 13:44.40 | smellynoser | 131072 bytes |
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| 13:44.45 | smellynoser | Thankyou |
| 13:44.45 | pingou | chops thanks |
| 13:44.49 | chops | pingou: np |
| 13:44.56 | pingou | (I am used to the *release* ^^) |
| 13:44.56 | macafe | How I can decompress on file *.tar.bz2 ? Look this error: http://pastebin.com/d75f09f85 |
| 13:45.01 | \amethyst | streuner: congrats |
| 13:45.42 | smellynoser | What happens if I go over ARG_MAX bytes? Will it just truncate the variable I set? |
| 13:45.55 | chops | macafe: Can you try that again with LANG=C tar vxjf sshguard-1.0.tar.bz2 ? |
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| 13:46.28 | dutchfish | macafe, bunzip2 |
| 13:47.23 | dutchfish | macafe, it has no tar in it so you have to pipe it through tar |
| 13:47.35 | \amethyst | smellynoser: it will be truncated, *and* you won't be able to run programs because you'll get bash: /bin/ls: Argument list too long even if you don't pass arguments |
| 13:47.57 | \amethyst | smellynoser: you won't be able to run programs from that shell, that is, until you clear some of the environment variables |
| 13:48.18 | chops | macafe: Also, what's the output of 'md5sum sshguard-1.0.tar.bz2'? |
| 13:48.27 | xda | i have apache listening on port 81, i have forwarded the port 81 in my router (it does NAT) and i can access it from every pc of the network. however i cannot access it from the outside, using the external ip |
| 13:48.33 | xda | what could be the case? |
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| 13:48.52 | pingou | thanks & bye |
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| 13:48.58 | chops | xda: Sounds like your router isn't forwarding the port properly |
| 13:49.04 | macafe | chops, dutchfish: I install the package bzip2 and works... |
| 13:49.11 | chops | xda: Do you get "connection refused" trying to connect to it from outside? |
| 13:49.14 | xda | chops, what can i do? |
| 13:49.15 | chops | macafe: Ah, that makes sense. |
| 13:49.19 | \amethyst | xda: when you say you were forwarding port 81 in the router... what external port were you forwarding to what internal port? 81 both times? |
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| 13:49.46 | xda | \amethyst, yes 81 to 81 |
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| 13:50.17 | xda | chops, i don't know The connection has timed out in firefox |
| 13:51.10 | xda | also it doesnt respond to ping [externalip]:81 |
| 13:51.17 | dutchfish | xda, is this plain http or ssl? |
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| 13:51.30 | xda | dutchfish, plain http |
| 13:52.10 | dutchfish | xda, and no firewall (iptables or the like) running on that apache box? |
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| 13:52.27 | LassieTheBrave | \amethyst: seems quite none functional that line... |
| 13:55.11 | xda | dutchfish, it's a fresh etch install |
| 13:55.28 | xda | dutchfish, i dont think there are any iptables rules |
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| 13:55.34 | dutchfish | xda, ok |
| 13:56.03 | dutchfish | xda, or apache config is not correct setup or your firewall needs a restart? |
| 13:56.23 | xda | dutchfish, my firewall? |
| 13:56.28 | xda | which one |
| 13:56.34 | dutchfish | xda, router (firewall) |
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| 13:57.08 | xda | dutchfish, i will try disabling it |
| 13:57.22 | dutchfish | xda, ? |
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| 13:57.56 | themill | xda: are you behind a router doing NAT? (e.g. on a home network) |
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| 13:58.03 | LassieTheBrave | is there any other way than setterm to be inversing the colors of *all* my VT:s? |
| 13:58.09 | dutchfish | xda, i meant some routers need a restart when you configure portforwarding |
| 13:58.11 | Eagle006 | Hello, I'm running debian on a tx1000 HP. |
| 13:58.35 | mbuf | is there a complete Debian book (packaging, policy, manuals) that i can buy and use for reference? any recommendations? |
| 13:58.54 | mbuf | rather than having to print out each and every manual |
| 13:58.54 | dutchfish | mbuf, debian bible (google) |
| 13:59.02 | Eagle006 | Is it possible that anyone can help me out? I've got the eGalax touchscreen showing up in my X11/xorg.conf already |
| 13:59.06 | mbuf | dutchfish, thanks |
| 13:59.19 | xda | themill, yes. |
| 13:59.40 | Eagle006 | It seems to have the 'wrong' driver listed. DO I need to install the evtouch driver in the repository? |
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| 14:00.05 | themill | xda: Have you got the box doing NAT set up to forward the request to the server inside the NATted zone? (I've not been following, so I don't know if you've been through this already) |
| 14:00.09 | Eagle006 | I have changed a few things, like removing it's default 'mice' as driver and now when I touch the screen it reacts, but I get no movement |
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| 14:00.34 | xda | themill, yes and it's not a box, it's the router |
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| 14:00.55 | larsemil | anyone run vhcs? |
| 14:00.57 | LassieTheBrave | Inversing Color on VT:s? Anyone? |
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| 14:02.07 | themill | xda: is the router set to do the forwarding for people outside? Many routers have quite confusing setup pages where they offer to do the forwarding for all sorts of different scenarios and finding out what they call WAN to LAN can be difficult. |
| 14:02.27 | dutchfish | LassieTheBrave, you can edit .bashrc see: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/prompt-magic.xml |
| 14:02.39 | xda | themill, i don't know :S it's a speedtouch router if it helps |
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| 14:04.52 | xda | i also get could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName. that i get each time i restart apache |
| 14:05.03 | xda | i don't know if this is related to the port fw problem |
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| 14:05.28 | dutchfish | xda, it wants a name ;) |
| 14:05.37 | LassieTheBrave | < dutchfish > : I do need the login prompt too... and at boot time (if it's possible...). |
| 14:05.54 | chops | xda: It should be fixed if you're accessing the server from outside, but if the connection is timing out it's not necessarily the current problem |
| 14:05.54 | xda | dutchfish, is it related? |
| 14:06.00 | dutchfish | xda, no |
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| 14:06.44 | chops | xda: Does 'telnet hostname 81' work from outside (where hostname is the external address of your NAT router)? Does it say "connection refused", or time out, or connect and sit there? |
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| 14:08.47 | mbuf | if i am integrating two independant applications (code-base) into a single code-base application, i still need to merge the control file, or is there any other way? |
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| 14:09.13 | xda | chops: Connecting To xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx...Could not open connection to the host, on port 81: Connect failed |
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| 14:09.54 | chops | xda: That sounds like your router needs to be reconfigured or restarted to me |
| 14:10.09 | chops | xda: You might also recheck the IP address you're connecting to, to make sure it's the correct external address for the router |
| 14:10.23 | xda | chops, it's the correct |
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| 14:10.35 | xda | and yes i will restart it when i can |
| 14:10.37 | xda | thanks |
| 14:10.53 | xda | i'll report back when i restart it |
| 14:11.31 | nooro | I'm pretty new to apt-get -- how can I use it to replace my current "stable" lighttpd with an earlier version? |
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| 14:11.57 | nooro | (since the current stable lighttpd is not actually stable at all: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=474951 ) |
| 14:12.39 | nooro | I'm reading the apt howto now but all tips are welcome! |
| 14:12.43 | abrotman | nooro: i thought the admin wasn't going to do that? |
| 14:12.47 | azeem | nooro: snapshot.debian.net |
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| 14:12.56 | nooro | admin not answering calls |
| 14:13.23 | nooro | abrotman: do you ever sleep? thanks for being here! |
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| 14:13.59 | nooro | rather than a source upgrade I thought I'd stick with apt-get and see if I could somehow downgrade |
| 14:14.02 | abrotman | nooro: or i'm on the same schedule as you :) |
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| 14:14.51 | tarzeau | does anyone know why htop displays different number of cpus (2 vs 4) when started as user or vs root? |
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| 14:16.19 | hjb | Hi. Does anyone know if there's an Iceweasel add-on which lets you disable/enable plugins on-the-fly? |
| 14:16.52 | dutchfish | hjb, you can do that per default |
| 14:17.04 | hjb | dutchfish Yeah? How? |
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| 14:17.36 | dutchfish | hjb, extra -> addons ... enable/disable |
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| 14:17.56 | \amethyst | dutchfish: that's for extensions, not plugins |
| 14:18.13 | hjb | dutchfish I didn't mean add-ons |
| 14:18.13 | dutchfish | \amethyst, opps, misread sorry |
| 14:18.19 | hjb | dutchfish Or extensions... Oddly naming conventions :-) |
| 14:19.33 | xda | chops, from an outside host it reports connection timed out. |
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| 14:22.44 | chtp__ | hi folks. how to get only printable characters from /dev/urandom? |
| 14:22.56 | hoxu | chtp__, pipe to od perhaps |
| 14:22.58 | \amethyst | chtp__: uuencode it |
| 14:23.16 | ohnose | I'm using the closed source nvidia drivers in the "debian" way... how can I make a specific app to make use of MESA software rendering, instead of Nvidia's libGL? |
| 14:23.22 | chtp__ | ah, ok. thx |
| 14:23.35 | dutchfish | hjb, the only thing i can dream of is edit it in about:config |
| 14:23.41 | ohnose | "debian way" means I'm using the nvidia-glx package |
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| 14:24.46 | nooro | abrotman, azeem: if my current /etc/apt/sources.list is http://pastebin.com/d6a1f335d should I just temporarily change it to only |
| 14:25.08 | abrotman | nooro: to do what? |
| 14:25.16 | nooro | http://pastebin.com/d1f19e01a |
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| 14:25.38 | nooro | ...which I found on snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:25.42 | stew | chtp__: tr -c -d '[:print:]' |
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| 14:25.55 | n3kl | Anyone know what I can use to connect to a checkpoint VPN? |
| 14:25.57 | azeem | ohnose: try "export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1" |
| 14:25.58 | nooro | and then run "apt-get update" and then... what? |
| 14:26.01 | azeem | dunno if it'd work |
| 14:26.26 | azeem | nooro: just add the snapshot source, and apt-get update and apt-get install package=version |
| 14:26.34 | azeem | where version is the one you want to downgrade to |
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| 14:26.52 | nooro | azeem: k, doing so |
| 14:26.54 | azeem | nooro: however, if the version you want to downgrade to is only on security.debian.org either, not sure what to do |
| 14:26.56 | hjb | dutchfish Hmm, yes. I'vesearched there, but didn't find anything :-/ Maybe it's documented somewhere on the firefox developers page, though |
| 14:26.57 | ohnose | azeem: hm, I think it didn't work... same framerate and same driver reported; I guess Nvidia doesn't respect that environment variable |
| 14:27.03 | nullvoid | my ISP cap my torrent download, anyway to trick this using command based torrent like rtorrent? |
| 14:27.39 | dutchfish | hjb, or control content of your plugin folder by a script ... just guessing |
| 14:28.03 | hjb | dutchfish On the other hand, i've now found an add-on which is called "flashblock" which at least replaces flash content with a "play" button |
| 14:28.15 | hjb | dutchfish So you can selectively play flash |
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| 14:28.33 | dutchfish | hjb, never seen that so far |
| 14:28.35 | hjb | dutchfish But it needs to have java-script enabled |
| 14:28.43 | hjb | dutchfish It's quite nice |
| 14:28.57 | xda | i have 2 VMs with debian, both run postfix. the first works the second doesn't. i copied the /etc/postfix dir from host 1 to host 2 and it didn't fix host 2 |
| 14:29.03 | xda | what can i try? |
| 14:29.05 | hjb | dutchfish Flash where the plugin i had in mind when i was searching for this toggle thing |
| 14:29.19 | hjb | dutchfish -h |
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| 14:29.46 | hjb | dutchfish But a more general add-on which works for every kind of plug in would bebetter |
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| 14:30.29 | hjb | dutchfish I guess you're right: script to manipulate the plugins dir seems to be the only way |
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| 14:33.27 | nooro | azeem, abrotman: "apt-show-versions -a -p lighttpd" now shows a new option: http://pastebin.com/d6333ecf1 |
| 14:33.33 | nooro | ...without "etch" in the name |
| 14:33.35 | dutchfish | xda, examine your logs files |
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| 14:34.18 | nooro | azeem, abrotman: wonder if I should try that one... or is there another command I should run to see older versions? |
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| 14:35.55 | azeem | nooro: no you shouldn't |
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| 14:36.53 | pingou | hi guys |
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| 14:37.15 | pingou | how can I retrieve the information about a package installed without the root/sudo right ? |
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| 14:37.45 | davis | hello |
| 14:37.56 | davis | what is the runlevel for console only? ie. no X. |
| 14:38.02 | azeem | nooro: get the etch6 version from http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lighttpd/ or so |
| 14:38.13 | dutchfish | davis, 2 |
| 14:38.16 | davis | hmm. |
| 14:38.18 | pingou | 2 or 3 ? |
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| 14:38.31 | davis | my /etc/inittab has default to be 2, but it goes to gdm. |
| 14:38.40 | abrotman | davis: there's no difference between 2-5 by default on debian |
| 14:38.44 | abrotman | !tell davis about nodm |
| 14:38.45 | stew | davis: debian treats all runlevels 2-5 the same. if you install a display manager, all runlevels 2-5 will have it enabled until you do something specific to disable it on some particualr runlevel |
| 14:38.49 | petemc | davis: debian doesnt work like that, disable your display manager |
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| 14:39.00 | petemc | damn, im slow |
| 14:39.03 | pingou | no idea fr my package version ? |
| 14:39.22 | azeem | pingou: eh, man dpkg |
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| 14:39.47 | pingou | dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege |
| 14:39.51 | pingou | :) |
| 14:39.58 | azeem | pingou: what command did you run? |
| 14:40.01 | pingou | I do not have sudo/root privilege |
| 14:40.05 | pingou | dpkg -i |
| 14:40.07 | pingou | info |
| 14:40.11 | azeem | man dpkg |
| 14:40.16 | pingou | I am on it |
| 14:40.17 | azeem | -i isn't info |
| 14:40.35 | gynterk | -i --install |
| 14:40.39 | pingou | oups sorry -I* |
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| 14:40.45 | davis | thanks |
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| 14:41.12 | zyx386 | who is restricted-manager in Lenny? |
| 14:41.21 | azeem | it doesn't exist |
| 14:41.22 | pingou | thanks |
| 14:41.27 | azeem | zyx386: neither does restricted |
| 14:41.47 | zyx386 | azeem, i will aktive my wlan |
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| 14:41.57 | zyx386 | in ubuntu can i that with restricted-manager |
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| 14:42.12 | azeem | in debian, you cannot |
| 14:42.17 | azeem | I already said that |
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| 14:42.28 | maligor | what wlan is it? |
| 14:42.32 | zyx386 | eha and how can active my wlan? |
| 14:42.42 | zyx386 | wireless |
| 14:42.51 | azeem | zyx386: what chip |
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| 14:43.04 | azeem | zyx386: what does "lspci | grep Network" say? |
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| 14:43.22 | zyx386 | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63319/ |
| 14:43.48 | azeem | zyx386: I said "lspci | grep Network", not "lspci" |
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| 14:43.52 | zyx386 | Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01) |
| 14:44.00 | azeem | !broadcom |
| 14:44.00 | dpkg | broadcom is, like, a NIC that's not supported in 2.4.18, but is apparently supported in 2.4.25 (module is named "b44"), or may also be tg3 driver, or see <broadcom woody>, or evil scum producing undocumented HW and violating GPL. see http://www.broadcom.com/support/ethernet_nic/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux, or <bcm43xx>, or <b43> |
| 14:44.21 | azeem | hrm |
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| 14:45.28 | epsilon | I have a network problem after replacing the mainboard (still same NIC): Link-LED is up, cable is OK, ifconfig is OK, iptables is all on ACCEPT, route is OK. But still I can't connect to LAN, on ping I get icmp destination unreachable. Did I miss something? |
| 14:45.30 | susanoo | anyone running debian on ps3 ? |
| 14:45.58 | cast | epsilon: what about the other end? |
| 14:46.05 | zyx386 | azeem, ??!! |
| 14:46.05 | stew | epsilon: show us the output of "ifconfig -a ; route -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:46.13 | cast | epsilon: ping might be going out and the other end might be returning the icmp unreachable |
| 14:46.15 | epsilon | a 100MBit, swicth, Link-LED is up |
| 14:46.34 | azeem | zyx386: no idea |
| 14:46.50 | cyzie | is there any copyright for the vendor to include inside package? |
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| 14:47.18 | epsilon | stew: can't paste, the box is offline :) But the conf is same before replacing the mainboard, also the output of ifconfig/route is fine (no change) |
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| 14:47.23 | azeem | cyzie: what are you talkig about? |
| 14:47.29 | themill | zyx386, azeem: I think it's a dell wlan thing, which is probably supported by the bcm43xx/b43 drivers. Else ndiswrapper. |
| 14:48.13 | zyx386 | themill, no, is HP G5000 laptop |
| 14:48.31 | themill | zyx386: hmm.. maybe they're also flogging the same chipset these days. |
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| 14:48.46 | zyx386 | :) |
| 14:48.58 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 14:48.59 | dpkg | rumour has it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 14:49.02 | wgvdfgdf | how do i send an email with postfix from the console |
| 14:49.02 | stew | epsilon: what ip are you pinging from? what ip are you pinging? what ip is sending the ICMP unreachable? |
| 14:49.04 | wgvdfgdf | ? |
| 14:49.29 | abrotman | wgvdfgdf: echo "foo" | mail you@account.com |
| 14:49.32 | stew | wgvdfgdf: echo "body" | mail -s subject recipient recipient recipient |
| 14:49.45 | zyx386 | ! bcm43xx |
| 14:49.45 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images. |
| 14:50.09 | epsilon | stew: pinging 192.168.0.10 from 192.168.0.2, netmask and broadcast addresses are correct, I double-checked it |
| 14:50.27 | stew | epsilon: what ip is sending the ICMP unreacahble? |
| 14:51.31 | epsilon | hold on, I deleted the NIC in udev/rules/z25_pers..._net thingy and rebooting |
| 14:51.36 | cyzie | azeem, im packaging for a vendor. im looking for example of copyright file for a vendor if any |
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| 14:51.59 | stew | cyzie: all packages install a /usr/share/doc/$packagename/copyright file |
| 14:52.24 | stew | cyzie: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-docs.html#s-copyrightfile |
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| 14:53.32 | cyzie | stew, i know that is the place for to store copyright file for a package. but i would like to have example of copyright file for a vendor. |
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| 14:53.51 | epsilon | stew: I get ICMP answer from localhost |
| 14:53.53 | stew | cyzie: what is the difference between a copyright file for a pacakge and a copyright file for a venor? |
| 14:54.02 | stew | epsilon: then it is a problem with your routing table |
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| 14:54.46 | themill | !tell KV about root |
| 14:54.48 | cyzie | stew, it might not be free? it might not be freely distribute? |
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| 14:55.01 | themill | cyzie: pick a piece of software that you think might have a useful example and look in the archive. Things in non-free might be the place to look. sun-java6-bin for example. |
| 14:55.14 | cast | unrar :| |
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| 14:55.21 | cyzie | themill, isnt java opensource? |
| 14:55.30 | themill | cyzie: no. |
| 14:55.41 | stew | cyzie: not the sun java the debian distributes |
| 14:55.45 | enouf | !java |
| 14:55.45 | dpkg | i heard java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
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| 14:56.38 | epsilon | stew: http://paste.debian.net/837/ |
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| 14:56.52 | cyzie | is it possible to show all the package which are non-free? |
| 14:57.26 | benjamindees | dpkg, netselect.etch is wget ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netselect/netselect_0.3.ds1-10_i386.deb && wget ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/netselect/netselect-apt_0.3.ds1-12_all.deb && dpkg --install netselect_0.3.ds1-10_i386.deb netselect-apt_0.3.ds1-12_all.deb; netselect-apt -o /etc/apt/sources.list.d/netselect etch |
| 14:57.27 | dpkg | okay, benjamindees |
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| 14:57.44 | benjamindees | dpkg, netselect is also Ask me about netselect.etch |
| 14:57.44 | dpkg | benjamindees: okay |
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| 14:58.16 | themill | dpkg: netselect =~ s/netselect.etch/<netselect.etch>/ |
| 14:58.17 | dpkg | OK, themill |
| 14:58.21 | chops | benjamindees: Why not just 'aptitude install netselect'? |
| 14:58.34 | benjamindees | the version in etch is broken |
| 14:59.00 | epsilon | stew: hold on, I get answer... but with 27526ms inside LAN - something is really fucked up... |
| 14:59.08 | mquin | cyzie: "grep -L GNU /usr/share/doc/*/copyright" will give you a list of likely candidates |
| 14:59.20 | chops | benjamindees: The netselect-apt I assume? I've used netselect in etch with success. |
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| 14:59.38 | benjamindees | chops, yeah; it no longer parses the mirror list |
| 14:59.45 | chops | benjamindees: Ah, makes sense |
| 14:59.52 | stew | cyzie: do you mean non-free packages which are installed on a given system? or all non-free packages debian distributes? |
| 15:00.11 | themill | cyzie: grab the Packages file from /var/lib/apt/lists/ and look yourself. |
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| 15:00.15 | benjamindees | dpkg, netselect-apt |
| 15:00.15 | dpkg | netselect takes a bunch of servers and uses multiple pings + traceroute to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you (choose the best mirror), or see http://students.washington.edu/eeyem/software/netsel.pl for a quickie perl script to pick the best debian mirror, or netselect-apt will find the fastest debian mirror and write a sources.list file for you!. Ask me about <netselect.etch> |
| 15:00.19 | cyzie | stew, my vendor prefer not distributable. |
| 15:00.27 | cyzie | mquin, themill thanks |
| 15:00.35 | stew | cyzie: i don't know what that means |
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| 15:01.04 | poncha | i've added a repo to my apt.sources, when trying to update, apt complains on missing pubkey. how can i fix this? |
| 15:01.13 | stew | poncha: /topic |
| 15:01.30 | cyzie | stew, i think i should read on the copyright file. thanks |
| 15:01.56 | benjamindees | chops, also, aptitude doesn't work without a mirror ;) |
| 15:01.57 | Baloo | If it's in non-free, it has to be distributable enough to allow that usage... |
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| 15:02.25 | chops | benjamindees: Well, you can start with http.xx.debian.org and rewrite sources.list with a netselect-recommended mirror |
| 15:02.43 | chops | benjamindees: That had occurred to me, yes, but it seems that downloading with dpkg is not the simplest solution to that problem :-) |
| 15:02.44 | Baloo | That being said, there's plenty of non-free software that isn't in Debian. Like Unreal Tournament. |
| 15:03.04 | Baloo | Or I should say, not redistributed by Debian |
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| 15:03.15 | abrotman | or redistributable |
| 15:03.30 | benjamindees | chops, personally, as a noob I found downloading and installing packages a lot easier than editing sources.list |
| 15:03.56 | cast | benjamindees: easy when they dont have dependencies, sure |
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| 15:05.03 | abrotman | cast: that's a technicality |
| 15:05.37 | themill | yeah.. I mean, we could get rid of apt and just use dpkg. Then it would be like having a redhat box again! Yay! |
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| 15:06.10 | cast | i think i could live with just stow |
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| 15:07.28 | kombi | anyone here good with lame? |
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| 15:07.47 | cast | i am i am, i can encode .wavs with it |
| 15:07.57 | kombi | cast: good!.. |
| 15:08.20 | stew | someone really good would be able to encode mp3s with it, though |
| 15:08.44 | cast | a lame god would encode DV with it, too |
| 15:08.52 | cast | a very lame god |
| 15:09.08 | kombi | cast: I have to encode a 8 kbps 8khz wav but the outcome sounds mediocre (to say the least..;) |
| 15:09.22 | cast | is it speech? |
| 15:09.37 | kombi | tried all sorts of options but most of them are ignored since it is no raw input |
| 15:09.42 | kombi | mostly speech, yes |
| 15:10.27 | cast | is using a codec for speech like speex possible? |
| 15:10.39 | n3kl | how can I list the files in a package without installing it? |
| 15:10.59 | cast | n3kl: apt-file list |
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| 15:11.32 | kombi | cast: quite likely, the resulting mp3 has to be streamed to icecast though. I am not sure that supports speex |
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| 15:12.35 | cast | hmmm, vorbis normally sounds better at low bitrates than mp3, icecast supports that i know, [just don't know if it supports speex in an ogg container] |
| 15:12.40 | chops | benjamindees: Well, that was more what I was worried about -- getting people comfortable with wget+dpkg -i is a bad thing to do as opposed to getting them comfortable with sources.list |
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| 15:13.04 | n3kl | Anyone know how to connect openswan to a checkpoint firewall? |
| 15:13.14 | kombi | cast: I know, I'd personally prefer vorbis in general, stream must be mp3 though.. |
| 15:13.20 | idimmu | n3kl: glue |
| 15:13.32 | benjamindees | I don't know if mp3 has the equivalent of i-frames |
| 15:13.39 | cast | :( |
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| 15:14.36 | kombi | benjamindees: never heard of i-frames in audio.. |
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| 15:16.24 | benjamindees | I guess you can adjust the bitrate up though |
| 15:17.30 | keith4 | what are my chances of getting a PCIE parallel port card working? |
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| 15:17.53 | kombi | benjamindees: that is exactly what i tried, those options seem to be overwritten once there are wav-headers.. |
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| 15:18.04 | abrotman | keith4: plug it in and try .. i can't imagine it wouldn't work .. it's pretty basic stuff |
| 15:18.18 | nooro | azeem: sorry for the delay, investigating... you mentioned "get the etch6 version from..." but I've read "Bug marked as found in version 1.4.13-4etch6." as well |
| 15:18.32 | keith4 | curses vendors who use license-enforcement dongles, especially PARALLEL ONES |
| 15:18.54 | stew | kombi: you might want to do some work on the .wav before encoding in order to limit the passband and maximize loudness |
| 15:18.55 | keith4 | abrotman: yah, just dreading taking down a server with a bunch of VMs on it to install a freakin' parallel port |
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| 15:19.48 | nooro | also, not sure how to apply those older debs, "apt-get update" didn't like my new sources line "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/lighttpd/ pool lighttpd" |
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| 15:19.58 | mquin | keith4: if the machine has USB you could try a usb->parallel interface, no need for downtime |
| 15:20.03 | Vasistha | keith4: why not go for a usb2 parallel converter or something like that? |
| 15:20.04 | kombi | stew: good one.., what tool would one best use? lame again? |
| 15:20.04 | nooro | (apologies for my obvious fumbling and bumbling) |
| 15:20.58 | keith4 | yah, I'd love to. in fact, the vendor offered to send a newer, USB dongle... but I can't "pass through" a usb device to a VM. I considerd using a network->USB thing, like USB Anywhere from Digi, but they're like $250 |
| 15:21.00 | Vasistha | nooro: no, that's not a vaild sources line. You have to just give it the debian/ directory, you can't go down into the pool directory |
| 15:21.04 | keith4 | a pcie parallel card is like $20 |
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| 15:21.45 | mquin | fair enough |
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| 15:22.03 | Vasistha | keith4: well .. uh .. if you're running a server with a bunch of VM's then you have to weight the cost of that against $250 for such a device, I suppose |
| 15:22.13 | Vasistha | (I mean, the cost of taking it down) |
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| 15:22.38 | benjamindees | surely you can pass through a parallel port on the end of a usb dongle to a vm |
| 15:22.57 | keith4 | Vasistha: yah... i know. i don't think anyone will miss the VMs during lunch ;-) |
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| 15:23.11 | CompWizrd | but will the software that demands the dongle accept that it's on the end of a usb port, and not directly connected? |
| 15:23.14 | keith4 | benjamindees: perhaps |
| 15:23.37 | keith4 | I get the feeling that this software isn't very flexible |
| 15:23.46 | CompWizrd | i'm impressed that it works through the VM, actually |
| 15:23.50 | keith4 | if I had my way, we'd give the big ol' middle finger to this vendor |
| 15:23.58 | keith4 | CompWizrd: don't know if it does, yet! |
| 15:24.07 | keith4 | step one is getting the dongle working |
| 15:24.13 | benjamindees | sure; it's just a smart card chip on the other end; the connection doesn't matter and the parallel interface is too dumb to even tell. |
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| 15:24.36 | cast | fucking propietary software eh :\ |
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| 15:25.35 | abrotman | canadian! |
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| 15:25.46 | CompWizrd | where, i'll kill him! |
| 15:25.46 | dfgf | where does postfix keep its logs? |
| 15:25.48 | stew | kombi: no, i don't believe lame is capble of any of that. passband limiting can be done by a number of tools. loudness is also something that you do with an eq, but can't really be automated (by its very nature). also, if you are resampling then you also should resample with sox and not let lame do the resampling, as sox has much better resampling algorithms. "man soxfilter" and look at the resample effect |
| 15:26.07 | Vasistha | CompWizrd: you don't know how to recognize a Canadian, eh? :) |
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| 15:26.13 | CompWizrd | looks for a mirror |
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| 15:28.27 | enouf | kombi: see what sox can do for you |
| 15:29.13 | makdaknife | dfgf: usually in /var/log/mail.info |
| 15:29.42 | kombi | sox! love the thing! thanks stew + enouf! |
| 15:29.50 | dfgf | thanks |
| 15:30.15 | makdaknife | np |
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| 15:31.08 | enouf | oh, late again |
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| 15:39.43 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 15:40.52 | Aryko | Hi, how could I check if an interface is gigabit ethernet or not ? I tried ifconfig but I don't see any info. |
| 15:40.52 | abrotman | mii-tool or ethtool |
| 15:40.52 | Aryko | thanks :p |
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| 15:45.37 | petemc | if dmesg hasnt been overwritten, should be info in there about link speed too |
| 15:47.58 | cast | damn, that trackball ball sure did bounce good on the tiles |
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| 15:50.34 | dfgf | anyone using monit? |
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| 15:51.06 | ninnghizidha | hey girls. I'd like to start an imap-server ... i already installed courier, postfix and saslauth ... how to get my email in thnderbird? :-P |
| 15:51.21 | ninnghizidha | ... i am missing one part ... the "transport email to client"-part |
| 15:52.59 | Aryko | ethtool is perfect, thanks abrotman |
| 15:53.45 | stew | dfgf: just assume someone is and ask your real question |
| 15:54.30 | dfgf | in monit when the service is down and i have instructed it to alert, it doesn't send mail :/ |
| 15:55.06 | stew | dfgf: are you able to successfully send mail using the "mail" command? |
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| 15:56.14 | dfgf | stew, yes. |
| 15:56.15 | benjamindees | ninnghizida, that's courier :-| |
| 15:56.25 | ninnghizidha | ah! |
| 15:56.27 | ninnghizidha | :) |
| 15:56.40 | cybod-mobile | I can not connect to a netgear wireless router in linux, but can in windows, anybody have this issue with linux before? |
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| 15:57.07 | stew | dfgf: have you checked the mail logs to see if monit is trying to send email? |
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| 15:57.40 | stew | cybod-mobile: what are you trying to do to connect? |
| 15:57.49 | dfgf | stew, yes it tried |
| 15:58.00 | aindilis | I want to install Chandler. I have the deb, but nothing else. I want to upload it to my repository so I can just apt-get everything. Is there a way to generate a .changes file so I can upload it? |
| 15:58.05 | stew | dfgf: is there an error in the mail logs? |
| 15:58.35 | cybod-mobile | sorry, a broadcom wireless and a realtek chipset. I can use them both on my network (lynksys). Issue is NOT encryption, I can change all of that on the router. |
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| 15:58.52 | cybod-mobile | is NOT a wirless/linux newb |
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| 15:59.51 | dfgf | stew, i can't identify it, what should i search for? |
| 15:59.51 | cybod-mobile | can do all of this from cli, just can't get the netgear to route in linux, I can even connect to it, but not get past it. Been all over the router settings, no firewall or MAC filter. |
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| 16:00.05 | stew | dfgf: what do you see in your mail log that indicates its trying to send mail? |
| 16:00.39 | stew | cybod-mobile: you can ping the AP but you can't ping beyond it? |
| 16:01.01 | cybod-mobile | stew, if I set the IP address/gateway, yes. If I use dhcp, I get no lease. |
| 16:01.03 | dfgf | stew: i see monit@localhost |
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| 16:01.40 | cybod-mobile | hates to say this, but Vista does work. he thinks it might be non-standared netgear? |
| 16:02.04 | stew | dfgf: and if you run "echo foo | mail monit@localhost" does the email go where you would expect it to? |
| 16:02.26 | stew | cybod-mobile: how are you trying ot get a lease? |
| 16:02.42 | dfgf | stew: yes |
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| 16:03.10 | stew | dfgf: show us what you see in the mail logs when monit tries to send mail ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:03.18 | cybod-mobile | stew init scripts in /etc/network/ifup: /etc/init.d/networking restart: dhclient |
| 16:03.54 | stew | cybod-mobile: what happens when you run dhclient? |
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| 16:04.12 | cybod-mobile | no leases offered |
| 16:04.23 | helo | are there any packages that should be dpkg-reconfigured on first boot of a debian install cloned (file-for-file) from another machine? |
| 16:04.54 | helo | that would regenerate host identification/encryption keys, etc... |
| 16:05.15 | dfgf | stew: the error is 501 syntax error :/ |
| 16:07.56 | stew | cybod-mobile: iwconfig shows you as being associated with the AP? |
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| 16:08.17 | cybod-mobile | yes, essid, key, all there. |
| 16:08.43 | cybod-mobile | stew, keep in mind, now I am in vista, so I can not give a line by line quote. |
| 16:09.12 | stew | keep in mind, i can't really be helpful then |
| 16:09.21 | cybod-mobile | very strange. I have seen this once before in a hotel. one nic would not connect, the other would. |
| 16:09.44 | cybod-mobile | stew, I understand. Just looking for a clue to use, but I realy think it is the hardware. |
| 16:09.57 | stew | cybod-mobile: its not hardware if it works setting route manually |
| 16:10.03 | cybod-mobile | however, if I boot into linux, we will not be talking. |
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| 16:10.25 | cybod-mobile | stew, it does not work. Router will not route |
| 16:10.27 | morphman | I' going to build a headless proxy server (web content filtering) for about 25 clients usining debain. I was a little worried about the hardware would a 1GHz CoreFusion, 512MB Ram, 4GB SSD be good enough |
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| 16:10.45 | stew | cybod-mobile: essid and key being there doesn't mean you are associated. having the AP's MAC in the "Access Point" means you are associated |
| 16:10.55 | cybod-mobile | stew got it. |
| 16:10.59 | stew | cybod-mobile: but you can ping the router? |
| 16:11.14 | cybod-mobile | if manual gate way/ip used, yes stew |
| 16:11.24 | stew | cybod-mobile: then i don't see what it has to do with your hardware |
| 16:11.39 | cybod-mobile | I agree, I meant the netgear router hardware. |
| 16:11.48 | stew | cybod-mobile: that is not somehting we can help with |
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| 16:12.22 | cybod-mobile | stew agreed, just looking for confirmation or simular experiances to backup my testing |
| 16:12.55 | cybod-mobile | stew, checking to see if I just bumped my head or took a stupid pill. |
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| 16:13.30 | stew | cybod-mobile: so you think your hardware is somehow broken in that it doesn't route packets that are generated by linux but does route packets that are generated by vista? seems unlikly that hardware would be broken in such a strange way |
| 16:14.02 | stew | cybod-mobile: seems much more likely to be some sort of problem with linux |
| 16:14.25 | cybod-mobile | stew, I would have thought so also, but I have seen a router that would not connect to a wireless nic (not linux related, hardware vender war) |
| 16:14.49 | cybod-mobile | stew, I am out of testing options, anything to suggest? |
| 16:14.54 | stew | cybod-mobile: that is not the problem however, since, as you say, it is connecting to the wireless nic |
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| 16:15.18 | cybod-mobile | is considering a live cd that supports broadcom as a further test |
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| 16:15.30 | cybod-mobile | perhaps sidux |
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| 16:16.10 | stew | cybod-mobile: i suggest checking your routing table when you are associated. and make sure you are associated with the AP you thing you should be when running dhclient, and use tcpdump to watch what happens when you do make a request with dhclient |
| 16:16.27 | cybod-mobile | stew, true that, and it does work in win, so that is NOT the issue. It has to be a linux issue or a non-standared protocol used. |
| 16:16.34 | cybod-mobile | stew, note made. |
| 16:17.00 | cybod-mobile | netstat -r will work for that stew? |
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| 16:17.36 | stew | cybod-mobile: that would display your routing table, yes |
| 16:17.58 | cybod-mobile | stew, K, that gives a course of action, I will pursue it. |
| 16:18.01 | cybod-mobile | thanks |
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| 16:24.29 | nooro | k getting closer, fits and starts... |
| 16:24.33 | nooro | I have lighttpd_1.4.13-4etch7_i386.deb installed and want to revert back to /var/cache/apt/archives/lighttpd_1.4.13-4etch6_i386.deb |
| 16:24.57 | stew | nooro: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/lighttpd_1.4.13-4etch6_i386.deb |
| 16:25.02 | nooro | would I remove lighttpd with apt-get then install the older version? |
| 16:25.20 | nooro | ah... trying that |
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| 16:27.49 | nooro | stew: well that was easy... now trying stuff to see if I'm still as boned as before or boned in a different way, or home free -- thanks! |
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| 16:27.59 | Soskel | hi |
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| 16:39.04 | cast | quiet. |
| 16:39.47 | makdaknife | nods aliently |
| 16:39.58 | makdaknife | s/aliently/saliently/ |
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| 16:43.24 | cast | sysv-rc-conf is pretty cool |
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| 16:44.10 | benjamindees | regular expressions are so awesome they should be outlawed :o |
| 16:44.28 | \amethyst | benjamindees: Fascist. |
| 16:44.30 | \amethyst | :) |
| 16:44.43 | makdaknife | benjamindees: masochist |
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| 16:45.01 | makdaknife | :-) |
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| 16:45.23 | cast | i'm sure microsoft would be all for it |
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| 16:49.01 | VoOdOokahn | SALAM |
| 16:49.12 | VoOdOokahn | DEBIAN RULEZZZ |
| 16:49.21 | benjamindees | canadian! |
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| 16:49.39 | benjamindees | isn't doing this right |
| 16:50.09 | VoOdOokahn | . |
| 16:50.28 | macafe | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:51.07 | gusnan | macafe, as root, make uninstall in the folder you ran those commands. |
| 16:51.08 | cast | macafe: how did you install a deb package like that? |
| 16:51.12 | benjamindees | macafe, I don't think that qualifies as "installing a deb package" |
| 16:51.15 | SlayerXP | macafe: no, you didn't |
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| 16:51.37 | tharvey | what package would I install for the man pages of stdlib libc functions? |
| 16:51.46 | cast | for future reference |
| 16:51.48 | cast | !stow |
| 16:51.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, stow is Stow can be found at http://www.gnu.org/software/stow apt-get install stow Quick Intro to stow: ./configure && make && make install prefix=/usr/local/stow/program-version; cd /usr/local/stow/ ; stow program-version. Use stow -D to remove. |
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| 16:51.57 | ``y7 | is it possible to setup the debian gui to startup without the login/password and automatically login to an account? |
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| 16:52.30 | \amethyst | ``y7: yes |
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| 16:52.41 | ``y7 | \amethyst, how would i go about doing that? |
| 16:53.30 | \amethyst | ``y7: go to the 'Security' tab in the gdm setup |
| 16:53.31 | macafe | gusnan, cast. benjamindees, SlayerXP: Thank you! |
| 16:53.45 | ``y7 | ok, thank you \amethyst |
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| 16:54.55 | bvk | tharvey: manpages-dev i think |
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| 16:55.06 | sphinx_ | hello all, i run some scripts i think it use killall command but i get this error," killall: command not found " what package i need to run this command ? |
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| 16:55.48 | tharvey | bvk, yep thanks... just found that myself |
| 16:56.11 | cahoot | sphinx_: the full path? |
| 16:56.12 | bvk | sphinx_: afaik a package with killall name should be there, so killall |
| 16:56.23 | chops | !tell sphinx_ about search |
| 16:56.31 | \amethyst | Tonren: sphinx_ psmisc |
| 16:56.33 | \amethyst | doh |
| 16:56.35 | \amethyst | sphinx_: psmisc |
| 16:57.46 | sphinx_ | thx all it working now :) |
| 16:58.33 | bvk | sphinx_: ok, no killall; its psmisc, u got it already :) |
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| 16:59.17 | ohnose | if I start playing a mp3, after some time, the sound volume is decreased after some time... what software component does that? I'm using xmms and ALSA (with dmix, I guess) |
| 16:59.18 | sphinx_ | yes bvk i installed it and everything work, |
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| 17:02.13 | Dinkers | What's up everybody. Anybody having time for a noob question? |
| 17:02.48 | peterS | Dinkers: maybe, maybe not. we won't know until you ask. |
| 17:03.12 | cast | newb questions make me feel elite, unless they're my newb questions, then i feel more newb :( |
| 17:03.32 | stew | ohnose: "fuser /dev/mixer /dev/snd/control*" would give you pids of likely processes |
| 17:03.56 | Dinkers | im trying to run firefly media server at startup. But i don't know how? |
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| 17:04.09 | phorce1 | so, what's likely to break if I unlink /usr/share for a few seconds on a running system? |
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| 17:04.37 | ohnose | stew: shows that the only process using audio is xmms... anyway, I want to switch of that automatic volume-adjusting (or whatever that is) |
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| 17:04.44 | Dinkers | cast: always nice to be elite |
| 17:04.49 | phorce1 | REALLY needs to build a new system and do a clean format/repartition |
| 17:04.52 | ohnose | but xmms doesn't provide an option for this; maybe xmms is not the culprit |
| 17:05.17 | stew | ohnose: are the actual mixer levels being changed? like if you leave alsamixer open, do you see the levers actually move at some point? |
| 17:05.20 | peterS | phorce1: probably nothing will break. /usr/share is not nearly so critical to the system operation as, say, /var or /etc |
| 17:05.27 | ohnose | stew: no |
| 17:05.46 | stew | ohnose: oh, then it is a problem specifically with xmml |
| 17:05.47 | stew | xmms* |
| 17:05.55 | Lagbolt | peterS, long as nothing is trying to access it during that time no prob at all |
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| 17:06.23 | ohnose | I doubt it's xmms... I thought maybe it's dmix... whatever that is, I hardly find information about it |
| 17:06.28 | peterS | phorce1: you never know though - for example, if /usr/share is inaccessible while someone tries to login, the login session may be a bit weird due to lack of terminfo information etc. |
| 17:06.43 | phorce1 | peterS: That's what I'm hoping (as the link farm grows out of control). Should have seen aptitude bixxxing about not being able to write to the cache when I did an upgrade a few minutes ago. / is full. |
| 17:06.47 | bvk | peterS: some scripts (eg: hibernate, etc.) comes from /usr/share :? |
| 17:07.12 | peterS | bvk: I hope he wasn't planning to hibernate the computer while /usr/share was down |
| 17:07.41 | phorce1 | never uses hibernate even on his laptop |
| 17:07.58 | bvk | peterS: ok :) |
| 17:08.16 | phorce1 | off -- on --- nothing in between |
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| 17:09.27 | bvk | phorce1: great |
| 17:09.34 | phorce1 | moving /usr/share to /home/usrshare/ will get me about 2GiB of space back on / |
| 17:11.37 | phorce1 | waiting for the file copy to finish now. then I'll rename /usr/share/ to /usr/hold/, add a /usr/share/ symlink to /home/usrshare/, then delete the files out of /usr/hold/.Crossing fingers the whole time. |
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| 17:13.19 | peterS | phorce1: yeah, should be fine |
| 17:13.40 | peterS | phorce1: well, before blowing away /usr/hold you will want to lsof it to see if anything seems to be using it |
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| 17:14.25 | stew | ohnose: does it happen with any other mp3 playing software? |
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| 17:15.01 | stew | ohnose: if the alsa levels are not being changed, i dont' see how it has anything to do with alsa |
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| 17:15.35 | ohnose | stew: I'll test it... about xmms: the sound volume only changes if there wasn't played anything before |
| 17:15.39 | phorce1 | peterS: I'm glad you said that. lsof|grep hold spits out a LONG list --- crap! |
| 17:16.12 | peterS | phorce1: no worries, just don't delete /usr/hold until those processes have finished with it |
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| 17:16.47 | stew | ohnose: and when you speak of volume changes, you just mean the perceived loudness of the audio, not any actual mixer levels, right? |
| 17:16.56 | ohnose | yes |
| 17:17.19 | stew | ohnose: 'aplay' would be a good player to test, as it comes from alsa |
| 17:17.33 | ohnose | of course it also could be that my speakers do that, or that I'm imagining things |
| 17:17.47 | phorce1 | peterS: Uhh, mostly X stuff and I'm currently in X with a lot of terms open I was hoping notto have to close soon. <sigh> guess I'll have to drop out and reload X. |
| 17:18.03 | peterS | phorce1: like I said there's no hurry |
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| 17:19.18 | esaym | is there a way to get a list of all the currently installed packages on a debian system? I would like to reinstall but I want to keep all my installed apps and make sure I have them all.... |
| 17:19.21 | Draggin | Good evening... I'm having problems with my networking on Debian - it was working before, and I have no idea what I could have changed (I definitely didn't deliberately change anything in networking), but it seems to be down completely and I can't get onto the internet with my Debian distro at all... |
| 17:19.56 | phorce1 | peterS: 'df -h /' "/dev/sda1 6.5G 5.8G 315M 95% /" |
| 17:20.17 | gabrimonfa | @esaym |
| 17:20.18 | gabrimonfa | dpkg --get-selections |
| 17:20.37 | esaym | hmm let me try... |
| 17:21.00 | phorce1 | peterS: I guess I could dig through the list and restart each app that is using something in /usr/hold. Tested with IceDove and it worked |
| 17:21.18 | esaym | awsome! |
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| 17:21.52 | nooro | stew, azeem, abrotman, Vasistha: thanks again for your help today, lighty is back to normal |
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| 17:22.35 | chops | phorce1: For future reference, single-user mode (init 1) is a good thing to use for major filesystem modifications, since the system daemons are shut down so you don't tend to have this sort of problem as much |
| 17:22.39 | phorce1 | peterS: <sigh> didn't work when I did a /etc/init.d/samba force-reload though |
| 17:22.47 | micols | what is the best mailbox format , and why? maildir or mbox? |
| 17:23.06 | micols | i have placed my mailbox format over NFS and using mutt to read it from there (my spool file is over NFS) |
| 17:23.07 | esaym | gabrimonfa: any way to get that to output into a list format that could be used to paste back into aptitude to reinstall the apps? |
| 17:23.12 | ohnose | Draggin: btw. if you want help, you need to describe the problem |
| 17:23.22 | micols | i use plaintekst mailbox format, i guess thats mbox |
| 17:23.28 | phorce1 | chops: trying to sneak one by the system so I wouldn't have to kill off the umpteen bazillion terms I have open with files in various stages of being edited. |
| 17:23.53 | Draggin | ohnose, thanks... but I don't really know what else to say about it - I'm still pretty new and all I know is I have no network access at all... |
| 17:24.19 | ohnose | Draggin: e.g. how are you connected to what network, what did you change... |
| 17:24.42 | bvk | esaym: dpkg --set-selections accepts --get-selections output |
| 17:24.52 | phorce1 | micols: I think Maildir is safer than mbox because of the one-message-per-file format. If something gets corrupted you don't lose it all. |
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| 17:24.54 | chtp__ | hi folks. anyone here knows a way to encrypt a whole _existing_ partition? |
| 17:25.49 | Draggin | ohnose, like I said, I didn't change anything to network settings (not deliberately or that I'm aware of). I have a normal ethernet card connected to an 8 port hub. The hub is connected to my DSL interface, but my eth0 doesn't even seem to start up... |
| 17:26.10 | gabrimonfa | @esaim |
| 17:26.10 | gabrimonfa | # dpkg --get-selections > lista_pacchetti.txt# dpkg --set-selections < lista_pacchetti.txt#apt-get dselect-upgrade |
| 17:26.10 | ohnose | stew: ok, seems this happens with mplayer as well! |
| 17:26.10 | micols | makes sense phorce1 |
| 17:26.58 | hoxu | !tell esaym about reinstall |
| 17:27.23 | phorce1 | micols: Funny thing happened to a friend on his winblows system. He was using an MUA that allowed him to use mbox and every morning at 0200 his mbox file (and al of his messages) would get deleted. Even if he created a backup copy on a different drive at 0145 that would also get deleted. |
| 17:27.26 | hoxu | chtp__, you could maybe dd the partition to an encrypted overlay |
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| 17:28.26 | esaym | no bad |
| 17:28.30 | esaym | not* |
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| 17:28.36 | chtp__ | hoxu: ah, ok. thx for hint ;-) |
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| 17:28.38 | phorce1 | micols: turns out his virus scanner was missing some viruses when they came in an email, but his nightly full system scan would catch them in the mbox file --- and delete it. |
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| 17:29.21 | hoxu | chtp__, now, if you don't have any extra space, it's going to be a tricky... in which case I'd suggest encfs or something, so you can encrypt files one-by-one and then dd if=/dev/urandom of=junk; sync; rm junk |
| 17:29.55 | ohnose | Draggin: in simple cases you could get away with "dhclient eth0", which will reconfigure eth0 by using DHCP |
| 17:30.14 | cast | hoxu: be less typing to use shred|wipe file. but its all pretty dodgy |
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| 17:30.34 | chtp__ | hoxu: ok, thx for buttword feeding google ;-) |
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| 17:31.20 | Draggin | Well ohnose, the problem is that I installed a minimal Debian system, so there are very few extra tools available, and since I can't get online with the Debian system, I don't know how to get packages like dhclient |
| 17:31.24 | hoxu | cast, right, you could shred -u after copying the file to encfs :) |
| 17:31.35 | hoxu | chtp__, what? |
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| 17:31.59 | chops | Draggin: apt-offline |
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| 17:32.11 | micols | what's the downside to maildir phorce1 ? |
| 17:32.11 | Draggin | chops - what does that mean? |
| 17:32.11 | ohnose | Draggin: what's in your /etc/network/interfaces about eth0? |
| 17:32.16 | micols | there must be some. |
| 17:32.17 | chtp__ | hoxu: uups, i meant buzzword ;-) |
| 17:32.26 | Draggin | ohnose, hang on, I'll have a look |
| 17:32.33 | micols | except a few thousand files |
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| 17:32.45 | bvk | micols: eats all disk inodes :) |
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| 17:33.03 | micols | im using XFS, what could happen in worst case? |
| 17:33.09 | cast | chtp__: you can try to do it inplace, but since you have no space to make a second copy of your data...me wonders if you have any kind of backup...and doesn't want to suggest anything :P |
| 17:33.12 | micols | oh.. ext3 that is |
| 17:33.16 | micols | its my nfs server |
| 17:33.38 | Draggin | ohnose, just these two lines: allow hotplug eth0; iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 17:33.42 | chops | Draggin: http://batmat.net/apt-offline/ch3.html |
| 17:33.48 | micols | it would be rather slow to backup perhaps bvk |
| 17:33.52 | micols | because of all those small files |
| 17:33.59 | Draggin | thanks chops - I'll have a look |
| 17:34.00 | micols | i have around 7000 mails = 7000 files |
| 17:34.02 | ohnose | Draggin: does simply executing "ifdown eth0 ; ifup eth0" help? |
| 17:34.03 | chops | Draggin: np |
| 17:34.16 | Draggin | ohnose - let me see |
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| 17:34.31 | bvk | micols: yes, backups will be slow too |
| 17:34.49 | elegle | i have 2 mouses, so i setup 2 InputDevices for them , and now only first one is working, how do I make them both work in the same screen? i don't want auto option because it does not work with syndaemon |
| 17:34.53 | phorce1 | micols: one-message-per-file is the downside. Lots of stored mail == lots of used inodes. Searches take longer regardless of the tool because messages have to be opened/searched/closed repeatedly, etc. Think of other problems with lots of small files, there are many. |
| 17:35.24 | stew | elegle: how are the two mice connected? |
| 17:35.43 | elegle | 1 is notebook's touchpad and another is usb mouse |
| 17:35.48 | Draggin | ohnose - idown eth0 told me that interface eth0 is not configured. ifup eth0 seemed to assign an ip address to the card, but it still doesn't look as if I have connectivity to the net |
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| 17:36.03 | elegle | the first on I spec in ServerLayout works, only |
| 17:36.09 | elegle | one* |
| 17:36.16 | ohnose | lol, one time I had two mice devices in my xorg.conf, which "worked" both for the same physical device... and I was confused why the mouse was moving at double speed |
| 17:36.16 | micols | phorce1: so what is the best mailbox format?, neither one of them, are there other better alternatives? |
| 17:36.29 | Draggin | ohnose... No wait... I do have connectivity now... |
| 17:36.33 | elegle | yes if they are on the same device they both work |
| 17:36.38 | elegle | but I want them separate |
| 17:36.40 | phorce1 | micols: errrr --- I have 100K+ saved emails and I'm not having any problems. |
| 17:36.48 | ohnose | Draggin: does it work? |
| 17:36.51 | elegle | because I want to use syndaemon to disable tapping while typing |
| 17:36.56 | Draggin | ohnose - that seemed to do the trick, but how can I get that permanent now so that I dojn't have to execute ifup eth0 every time? |
| 17:37.01 | elegle | and that dows not work when they are the same device |
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| 17:37.20 | phorce1 | micols: use folders to keep them sorted and IMAP to acces them. |
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| 17:37.39 | ohnose | Draggin: do you mean it's everytime like this when you boot your system? |
| 17:37.40 | stew | elegle: show us your xorg.conf ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:37.59 | Draggin | ohnose, well, I can reboot it again quickly and see if it is still up... |
| 17:38.00 | hoxu | Draggin, pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 17:38.24 | Draggin | hoxu - how do I get to pastebin again? Sorry - like I said - still pretty new :) |
| 17:38.34 | hoxu | !pastebin |
| 17:38.34 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 17:38.39 | phorce1 | micols: I have a dead drive that I attempt to recover when I have time that has all my emails from 1996 to late 2007. I save EVERYTHING except spam. |
| 17:38.44 | ohnose | I also have a network question: how to stop the DHCP client to change my /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 17:39.07 | micols | phorce1: put it in the freezer to cool the bearings |
| 17:39.13 | bvk | elegle: i think it has to do with CorePointer, SendCoreEvent options in mices' InputDevice section |
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| 17:39.20 | micols | perhaps even run it in the freezer using usb-2 ide to usb adapter |
| 17:39.21 | Draggin | hoxu - hang on... |
| 17:39.22 | ohnose | (it usually replaces it by its own resolv.conf with a buggy nameserver in it) |
| 17:39.23 | hoxu | ohnose, what's the actual problem? |
| 17:39.34 | hoxu | ohnose, you can override the nameservers in dhcp config |
| 17:39.34 | ohnose | hoxu: my router's nameserver is broken, or so... |
| 17:39.42 | chops | ohnose: The right place to fix that is at that router, in general :-) |
| 17:40.05 | stew | ohnose: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 17:40.12 | ohnose | chops: but I don't have access to the router's software (fully preprietary) |
| 17:40.14 | elegle | bvk: http://pastebin.com/d7a5d0c52 |
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| 17:40.34 | hoxu | stew, ha, that's evil :) |
| 17:40.36 | phorce1 | micols: stupid thing died during a "clean backup" cycle. It spins up. the partition table is trashed and right now I don't have a machine that will allow it to be slaved onto the IDE bus so I can let gpart run on it. My newer SATA machines refuse to boot when it is plugged in. |
| 17:40.40 | ohnose | the router's wlan support seems to be broken too, maybe I should get a new one |
| 17:40.53 | ohnose | does dpkg has a search function or so? |
| 17:40.55 | hoxu | ohnose, you can use "supersede domain-name-servers" in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf I think (man dhclient.conf) |
| 17:40.59 | ohnose | I mean dpkg the bot |
| 17:41.00 | hoxu | !tell ohnose about search |
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| 17:41.30 | micols | phorce1: you could always try moving the plates into an identical disk, i have seen that working once, at least some data was recovered |
| 17:41.33 | Draggin | ohnose - I rebooted now and the net is still up... Do you have any idea what might have caused this? |
| 17:41.43 | micols | might not be worth it if its only for old mails :) |
| 17:41.54 | ohnose | Draggin: probably the router's problem, don't know |
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| 17:42.02 | bvk | elegle: CorePointer option should be in only one InputDevice section; other one sould have SendCoreEvents option instead |
| 17:42.47 | cast | can someone remind me how to show firefoxes loaded plugins, about::plugins isn't it :\ |
| 17:42.59 | phorce1 | micols: When I build my new box I'll install etch on this one with no SATA drives installed. Then i'll fire up gpart against tat drive and let it try to figure out the old table. |
| 17:43.00 | elegle | bvk: could be but still when I had Mouse first, only it worked, then only thing I did was swapping them around and now only touchpad is working |
| 17:43.00 | Draggin | ohnose - well thanks a load anyway :) So tell me, what exactly does ifdown and ifup do? |
| 17:43.05 | stew | elegle: what bvk said. "man xorg.conf" should document this as well |
| 17:43.23 | hoxu | Draggin, man ifup, man ifdown :p |
| 17:43.37 | ohnose | Draggin: I believe it are scripts which call the correct commands to setup a network interfaces using the infos in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:43.40 | stew | cast: about:plugins |
| 17:43.40 | Draggin | hoxu - I guess :) |
| 17:43.45 | cast | ahh, thanks |
| 17:43.47 | ohnose | Draggin: like, it starts the dhcp server, calls ifconfig... |
| 17:43.56 | Draggin | ohnose, cool, thanks |
| 17:44.00 | hoxu | s/server/client/ |
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| 17:45.23 | phorce1 | micols: The drive was running in a woody box when it failed. Had my personal mail server set up just how I liked it and refused to upgrade. That'll learn me to be stubborn. |
| 17:46.01 | chops | phorce1: Refusing to upgrade a mail server is a bad idea (security)... |
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| 17:46.31 | bvk | elegle: try restartiing the x server after removing the 2nd CorePointer option. It should work |
| 17:46.55 | hjb | Hi. Regarding interfaces(5): How is the media stancel handled? |
| 17:47.03 | micols | phorce1: that's why i bought a lot of 9gb scsi disks for 'reliability' for my fileservers :D |
| 17:47.12 | hjb | the manpage only says it's "driver dependent" |
| 17:47.29 | phorce1 | chops: *personal* mail server. It pulled all mail iwth fetchmail. Everything running on nonstandard ports that would have required a full portscan to discover. No live connection to th outside world except for the fetchmail runs. |
| 17:47.29 | micols | http://www.fys.ku.dk/~micols/cpq/m02.jpg in my attic :) |
| 17:47.33 | hoxu | hjb, media what? |
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| 17:47.54 | hjb | hoxu uhm, oh, stanca? keyord, whatever |
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| 17:48.03 | hjb | hoxu key*w*ord |
| 17:48.16 | stew | hjb: do you have a card which has more than one connector? |
| 17:48.24 | hjb | stew no |
| 17:48.31 | hoxu | !confuse me |
| 17:48.31 | dpkg | No, where are your snake yesterday, hoxu? pants of the monarchy of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 17:48.32 | hjb | i just need to configure it to half-dupley |
| 17:48.33 | stew | hjb: then you can ignore this |
| 17:48.42 | hjb | stew half-duplex |
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| 17:49.06 | ohnose | hoxu: thanks, worked |
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| 17:49.23 | hoxu | ohnose, the supersede thing? |
| 17:49.26 | hjb | stew media type |
| 17:49.26 | hjb | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.34 | ohnose | hoxu: yes |
| 17:49.36 | phorce1 | micols: I keep filling drives up. When I rebuild this box I'm adding a bank of 4 147G SCA drives (and maybe a couple of 73G and 36G and 18G as well, whatever is lying around) |
| 17:49.44 | hoxu | ohnose, great, thanks for letting me know :) |
| 17:49.56 | hjb | stew i thought i can configure the "media type" throught this, like "100 Mbit, half-duplex" |
| 17:50.01 | hjb | stew is that worng? |
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| 17:50.43 | stew | hjb: i don't know. can you set the duplex using ethtool? |
| 17:50.56 | stew | hjb: if so, i'd do it in a pre-up line |
| 17:51.07 | hjb | stew "mii-tool eth0 -F 100baseTx-HD" is what i do right now |
| 17:51.20 | stew | hjb: so add "pre-up mii-tool eth0 -F 100baseTx-HD" |
| 17:51.24 | hjb | but i don't want to do that everytime after reboot |
| 17:51.45 | phorce1 | OK, time for /me to kill all these terms and see if a restart of X will clear up use of /usr/hold files so I can delete them brb |
| 17:51.51 | hjb | stew Yeah, i thought about that, too. But the "media" keyword suggested to me to use it, instead |
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| 17:54.04 | stew | hjb: i think you should be using ethtool. note that the media option will no longer be available with the next version of ifupdown |
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| 17:54.26 | hjb | stew Hmm, strange. Ok. |
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| 17:54.43 | sipher | after a recent upgrade |
| 17:54.54 | hjb | stew I've found that i've added the mii-tool command in my interface file already |
| 17:54.54 | sipher | apache now gives a 403 accessing a folder |
| 17:54.57 | sipher | any ideas? |
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| 17:55.19 | stew | stmaher: did you get the exact error from apache's error log? |
| 17:55.23 | stew | sipher: ^^ |
| 17:55.25 | hjb | stew Now i've realized my true problem. I tend to put my machine into "hibernate" acpi mode |
| 17:55.26 | sipher | yes |
| 17:55.39 | sipher | client denied by server configuration: |
| 17:55.44 | hjb | stew After waking up, it loses the duplex setting |
| 17:55.51 | sipher | but there is no deny's anywhere in the configuration |
| 17:55.58 | stmaher | Hello everyone.. Im using a debian platform.. but have a VLC question.. |
| 17:56.01 | hoxu | sipher, check the filesystem permissions |
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| 17:56.10 | stmaher | Does anyone have much experince with VLC and hauppage capture cards? |
| 17:56.11 | sipher | hjb switch is configured to negotiate |
| 17:56.19 | hoxu | sipher, if in doubt, show us output of ls -lad for the directory |
| 17:56.27 | sipher | hoxu I've su'd to www-data / nobody and I can access the files |
| 17:56.29 | sipher | also |
| 17:56.35 | sipher | client denied by server configuration: indicates a configuration issue |
| 17:56.36 | hoxu | !tell stmaher -about anyone |
| 17:56.48 | hjb | sipher ? I don't think so |
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| 17:57.08 | chops | sipher: Can you pastebin the exact message from error.log, and also your apache config? |
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| 17:57.09 | hjb | sipher "swith" is actually a router made by asus running linux |
| 17:57.12 | elegle | about 2 mice, unfortunately it didn't work, I had mouse only working , well I'll get back to man xorg.conf I guess |
| 17:57.12 | hoxu | sipher, the output of "ls -lad"? |
| 17:57.28 | hjb | sipher i'd like to configure it to automagically nogatiate this |
| 17:57.30 | stew | elegle: show us your xorg.conf now |
| 17:57.32 | CapNemo | hello guys, anyone using ada programing on debian ? |
| 17:57.50 | sipher | drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 2008-04-14 21:18 |
| 17:57.53 | hoxu | CapNemo, #ada |
| 17:57.56 | hjb | sipher but i don't now how to, actually |
| 17:58.02 | CapNemo | hoxu ah oki |
| 17:58.17 | sipher | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root |
| 17:58.34 | stew | sipher: is there a <Directory> stanza or a .htaccess which is limiting access to this directory? |
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| 17:58.39 | hjb | sipher Uh, ok. I think i know what you've ment |
| 17:58.43 | hoxu | sipher, you can check the parent dir permissions then, and see what chops said earlier |
| 17:58.45 | sipher | stew I renamed the .htaccess |
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| 17:58.50 | sipher | stew may I also add... |
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| 17:59.00 | sipher | this configuration was working prior to a apt-get upgrade |
| 17:59.11 | phorce1 | hmmm -- is it going to take a reboot to get hald to let go of the following --- "hald 29521 haldaemon mem REG 8,1 511686 102418 /usr/hold/misc/pci.ids" |
| 17:59.18 | hjb | Where are the actions are configured that have to be done after waking up from the several ACPI sleep/hibernate modes? |
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| 17:59.28 | sipher | <direcotry> has Allow from all |
| 17:59.29 | sipher | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:00.17 | sipher | hoxu client denied by configuration...not permissions. |
| 18:00.29 | sipher | as I said.. If I su the user I can access the files |
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| 18:01.04 | chops | sipher: More productive to answer a few of the questions people have asked instead of reiterating what you've already said... |
| 18:01.21 | sipher | chops, because I'm not a newbie... |
| 18:01.25 | sipher | I know its not the permissions |
| 18:01.30 | stew | sipher: is anything in the path to the file you are accessing a symlink? |
| 18:01.33 | phorce1 | stmaher: might want to /j #linuxtv and ask |
| 18:01.47 | stmaher | thanks phorcel |
| 18:01.48 | chops | sipher: Never said you were. |
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| 18:02.22 | sipher | chops I've already been throught the typical chmod 777 su nobody / www-data |
| 18:02.29 | sipher | the problem lies in the configuration file. |
| 18:02.36 | sipher | but where? |
| 18:02.41 | sipher | I have no denies anywhere. |
| 18:02.42 | chops | sipher: ... which is precisely why it would be productive for _us_ to look at the config file. |
| 18:02.51 | sipher | chops oh right :0 |
| 18:03.06 | chops | The dam has broken :-) |
| 18:03.14 | hjb | ACPI knowledge? Noone? |
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| 18:03.43 | twobitsp1ite | howdy |
| 18:04.07 | sipher | erm |
| 18:04.10 | bvk | hjb: they should be somewhere in /usr/share but i dont remember now and i don't have debian box atm :( |
| 18:04.18 | twobitsp1ite | I'm looking to build a .deb package for some perl scripts... is there a tool to determine the perl module dependancies for debian? |
| 18:04.20 | sipher | how do I wipe the old configuration using debian? for example I remove apache |
| 18:04.25 | stew | sipher: it can be denied even if you don't have Deny in the config files, if, for instance, you don't have FollowSymLinks |
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| 18:04.28 | sipher | how do i force it to remove the configs? |
| 18:04.32 | chops | sipher: purge |
| 18:04.40 | hjb | bvk Ok, thanks. I'll take a look there |
| 18:04.52 | bvk | hjb: try dpkg -L some-acpi-package :) |
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| 18:05.03 | phorce1 | peterS: Think I'll have to reboot to get hald to let go of the file it's using in /usr/hold? Or can hald be restarted without REALLY freaking the system out? |
| 18:05.28 | stew | phorce1: hald can be restarted |
| 18:05.40 | phorce1 | stew: Thx -- trying that now |
| 18:06.40 | phorce1 | stew: Thank you, now I can delete that 2GiB of files and get some space back on / |
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| 18:06.57 | sipher | UGH!! |
| 18:07.01 | sipher | I think I found it!!! |
| 18:07.10 | sipher | pwd |
| 18:07.12 | sipher | .pwd |
| 18:07.14 | sipher | err |
| 18:07.22 | sipher | ./etc/apache2/conf.d |
| 18:07.27 | hjb | bvk :-/ This is quite confusing me. If i choose "hibernate" from the Gnome Logout menu, which packages are involved? hibernate?? uswsudp? |
| 18:07.32 | sipher | theres a configuration there that has a deny!! |
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| 18:08.03 | ohnose | hjb: probably the "hibernate" command, which can make use of many software suspend implementations (but I'm only guessing) |
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| 18:08.22 | elegle | stew: http://pastebin.com/d1583223b and only mouse work, i guess that enablecoreevents option is broken or something |
| 18:08.55 | stew | elegle: "SendCodeEvents" shoudl be "SendCoreEvents" |
| 18:09.06 | stew | *should |
| 18:09.20 | elegle | oops :) thanks |
| 18:09.24 | sipher | Thanks |
| 18:09.26 | sipher | :) |
| 18:09.28 | sipher | its fixed... |
| 18:09.31 | sipher | but now php is fucked |
| 18:09.39 | stew | sipher: be more specific |
| 18:09.39 | phorce1 | sipher: you looking through all the configs one-at-a-time? grep is your friend. grep -ir deny /etc/apache2/* |
| 18:09.51 | hjb | ohnose Seems to be. There's a "/usr/share/hibernate/scriptlets.d" dir containing a network script which seems to do some action like bring down and up network interfaces before/after hibernate. But I'm not sure how to use it ... :-( |
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| 18:10.20 | sipher | stew its simply not processing the files |
| 18:10.25 | sipher | just displays the text |
| 18:10.35 | ohnose | hjb: look into /etc/hibernate/common.conf and search for network |
| 18:10.47 | stew | sipher: is libapache2-mod-php5 or libapache2-mod-php4 installed? if so, which? |
| 18:10.48 | phorce1 | sipher: you're missing an addhandler line somewhere |
| 18:10.49 | ohnose | hjb: you can specify which networks to bring up/down/whatever |
| 18:11.06 | sipher | stew both are installed... |
| 18:11.10 | stew | sipher: no they aren't |
| 18:11.17 | Lagbolt | hjb i think gnome power manager is using hal/dbus to do the work not hibernate or those packages |
| 18:11.17 | bvk | hjb: i don't know much about hibernate. i never got it working properly on my macbook :( |
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| 18:11.18 | sipher | yes they are. |
| 18:11.27 | stew | sipher: how did you install both? |
| 18:11.36 | phorce1 | ahhh -- much better "/dev/sda1 6.5G 3.9G 2.3G 64% /" |
| 18:11.38 | sipher | or not |
| 18:11.40 | sipher | hehe |
| 18:11.41 | sipher | sorry |
| 18:11.45 | stew | sipher: you would have to go way out of your way to get both installed since they conflict with eachother |
| 18:11.49 | hjb | ohnose Yeah, i've found hibernate.conf(5)! I think it's where i can configure my stuff, including un/remounting nfs shares and stuff. Looks good! |
| 18:11.49 | phorce1 | (until I fill up somethig in /var next time |
| 18:11.49 | phorce1 | ) |
| 18:11.57 | sipher | cool |
| 18:12.11 | hjb | Lagbolt :-( Then hibernate.conf isn't useful for me |
| 18:12.32 | ohnose | I only wish I could use suspend2 |
| 18:12.37 | hjb | Lagbolt Do you know what system is hal using as it's backend? |
| 18:13.10 | Lagbolt | hjb i dont know much about it. i use the acpi scripts for hibernate and suspend |
| 18:13.12 | hjb | ohnose Actually, i liked uswsusp |
| 18:13.33 | hjb | ohnose But now it stopped working, throwing kernel panics after reboot |
| 18:13.34 | ohnose | hjb: isn't that the default on Debian? |
| 18:13.43 | ohnose | oh |
| 18:14.00 | hjb | ohnose I think it's default |
| 18:14.17 | ohnose | and suspend2 is still there (I guess), but requires a kernel patch |
| 18:14.20 | hjb | ohnose All those alternatives are quite confusing to me... Some say "use this" some say "use that" |
| 18:15.01 | ohnose | I don't know either... but suspend2 was the first software suspend which actually worked for me |
| 18:15.10 | ohnose | but that's from a long time ago |
| 18:15.15 | hjb | Lagbolt Do you use them throught acpi button events? I'm doing that at my laptop. But my desktop doesn't have buttons for that :-/ |
| 18:15.37 | hjb | ohnose Is it still working for you? |
| 18:15.58 | ohnose | hjb: I don't know, I'm not using it because I'm too lazy to use a kernel patch |
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| 18:16.05 | Lagbolt | hjb you can use keyboad shortcuts to run those scripts . . . like in xfce you can point a keyboard shortcut to /etc/acpi/sleep.sh |
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| 18:16.58 | hjb | Lagbolt Hmm, ok. Maybe this also works with gnome |
| 18:17.03 | ohnose | apropos ACPI... my dmesg is filled with errors like: ACPI Error (dsopcode-0481): Attempt to CreateField of length zero [20070126] |
| 18:17.04 | ohnose | wtf? |
| 18:17.13 | hjb | Lagbolt But it fells strange that the gnome standard way doesn't work, than |
| 18:17.28 | hjb | ohnose Wow, never seen that |
| 18:17.56 | ohnose | I guess I'm the proud owner of a buggy ACPI? |
| 18:18.14 | chops | ohnose: You wouldn't be the first |
| 18:18.30 | hjb | ohnose Did you see them before? Or is this only recently? |
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| 18:19.19 | ohnose | my PC is new, so I naturally noticed it only recently |
| 18:19.20 | Draggin | Thanks for the help guys! I'm off! |
| 18:19.21 | Draggin | Ciao! |
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| 18:20.15 | benjamindees | hmm, I spent a lot of time making this script that converts LaTeX variables from one type to another; but perhaps something like it already exists? |
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| 18:20.26 | hjb | ohnose Then I'd bet for the "buggy ACPI" thingy :-) |
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| 18:20.40 | hjb | ohnose Maybe a BIOS update will help |
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| 18:21.24 | hjb | benjamindees Does your script work now, eventually? |
| 18:22.03 | benjamindees | mostly |
| 18:22.25 | hjb | benjamindees So, why do you care if there's another one? |
| 18:22.32 | fireba11 | hi, in my debian etch i installed some reseller-gui (ispconfig) .. about everything works but vsftpd. auth always fails. can someone help me find the problem ? there is most likely only a tiny bit of config missing but i don't know where ... |
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| 18:24.17 | benjamindees | hjb, I know this is a novel idea in open source, but I'm thinking perhaps that time spent polishing my reinvented wheel may be better spent elsewhere... |
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| 18:26.29 | hjb | benjamindees Why not publish your (maybe" reinvented wheel and let others help you polishing it? |
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| 18:27.02 | simonrvn | hjb: because all too often people do that and the effort gets wasted |
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| 18:27.46 | _levap_ | anyone know whether clamav pkg will be updated to 0.93 in volatile anytime soon |
| 18:28.06 | private_meta | yo... I have a small question. I have a package hanging in my upgrade, it's called "libkrb5-17-heimdal". If i want to remove that, it also wants to remove "libgssapi1-heimdal", but if i want to install it, it wants to remove "libgssapi1-heimdal" and "libroken16-kerberos4kth" |
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| 18:28.09 | simonrvn | mostly because you have different people doing things in a different way, all incomplete in one way or another, and none of them satisfactory, whereas they could combine efforts and make something very good. there's too much focus on individualism and not enough on coopertation |
| 18:28.10 | uyriry686 | www.HOTTIES4FREE.tk XXX BRUNETTES |
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| 18:28.15 | simonrvn | cooperation* |
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| 18:28.17 | private_meta | I'm not sure what i need both of them for, can anyone help me? |
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| 18:28.23 | simonrvn | thanks stew |
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| 18:28.46 | simonrvn | hjb: ^^^ |
| 18:29.05 | roe_ | it's hotties for free though |
| 18:29.19 | hjb | simonrvn There're a lot of different implementation of the same goal out there. Finally, they tend to bring up one solution with all the good things from each other in it, i belive? |
| 18:29.29 | simonrvn | hence "reinventing wheel". sometimes someone comes up with something innovative, and works very well. that also should be explored |
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| 18:29.58 | inFw | Hello. I'm having trouble on apache2+mod_mono, error message says that mod_mono and xsp have different versions. It's etch fully updated. Any ideas what I might be doing wrong or where should I look? |
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| 18:31.13 | simonrvn | make sure you have a version compatible package mod_mono and xsp, with your apache. |
| 18:31.23 | hjb | simonrvn I think it's not that the people aren't interenting in coorparation but in individualism, but they just don't know about each other |
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| 18:31.47 | simonrvn | hjb: sometimes yes, sometimes no |
| 18:31.59 | inFw | simonrvn, I installed all packages from the repositories, shouldn't those packages be compatible? |
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| 18:32.53 | simonrvn | inFw: if you don't mix and match, yes. what i mean is using stuff from say testing and stable, or building your own + backports and/or etch. only you can know that |
| 18:32.56 | hjb | simonrvn However, publishing should lead, at least for the publisher, fastly to an idea of what other projects of the same type are out there |
| 18:33.35 | hjb | simonrvn just because the publisher what get some message from someone telling him that "the same thing already exists" |
| 18:33.43 | hjb | *would* |
| 18:33.58 | simonrvn | hjb: of course. my intent for my statement was to encourage peope to seek each other out and cooperate on various things |
| 18:34.03 | inFw | simonrvn, I used all stable to avoid such situations |
| 18:34.08 | simonrvn | people* |
| 18:34.13 | simonrvn | inFw: ok |
| 18:34.14 | inFw | Yet, here I am :( |
| 18:34.17 | stew | inFw: checked the bts? |
| 18:34.21 | inFw | bts? |
| 18:34.26 | stew | !bts |
| 18:34.28 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 18:34.32 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 18:34.34 | inFw | Oh. |
| 18:34.36 | private_meta | roe_: i bet you'd rather use porn-get instead of apt-get, huh? |
| 18:34.41 | simonrvn | blah... lagged again |
| 18:34.47 | inFw | I'll check it out, thanks |
| 18:34.53 | hjb | simonrvn I support your intend :-) My intend was just to say that early publishing is good (TM) |
| 18:35.15 | simonrvn | hjb: it can be yes. |
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| 18:36.23 | hjb | simonrvn Sure, if you publish something totally stupid, you'd better do not :-) But generally, i think it's a good idea |
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| 18:40.10 | inFw | simonrvn, I've checked the bts for mono packages I have installed, nothing :| Any ideas? |
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| 18:42.58 | simonrvn | inFw: where did you get it? |
| 18:42.59 | PsySine | are there any general instructions on how to install debian on a hdd which is to be put into another computer? I tried simply installing on one computer but when I moved the hdd to the other, it couldn't find / |
| 18:44.15 | stew | PsySine: that should work, but don't use device names for menu.lst and fstab, but instead use UUIDs (instead of something like /dev/sda1, use something like UUID=12341234) |
| 18:44.28 | stew | we should have a factoid about this |
| 18:44.37 | simonrvn | !uuid |
| 18:44.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, look in /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 18:45.08 | abrotman | where's that noroo guy .. they fixed his lighttpd |
| 18:45.40 | PsySine | stew: i get dropped into initramfs, but there are no /dev/hd* there... |
| 18:45.46 | azeem | he said he successfully downgraded ... |
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| 18:47.03 | Multiply | Can I change a users home directory? |
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| 18:47.25 | fireba11 | Multiply: of course |
| 18:48.02 | PsySine | Multiply: look into /etc/passwd :) |
| 18:48.17 | Multiply | Isn't there a command for it? :P |
| 18:48.34 | chops | Multiply: usermod |
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| 18:49.18 | simonrvn | ravenbird: test |
| 18:49.19 | ravenbird | No, simonrvn, you're not online any more. |
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| 18:49.40 | lindenle | anyone have an lenovo x61 and ultrabay that can help me get my dvdrom to detect? |
| 18:49.57 | stew | PsySine: probably because the initrd doesn't have a driver for your ide. you can fix this by listing the driver for your ide in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules then recreating the initrd |
| 18:50.21 | PsySine | stew: but how can I figure out which driver I need :S |
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| 18:50.30 | stew | PsySine: which ide chipset do you have? |
| 18:50.39 | PsySine | stew: no idea |
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| 18:50.58 | stew | PsySine: do you have a livecd that you can boot on that machine? |
| 18:51.15 | stew | PsySine: or perhaps boot from usb? |
| 18:51.29 | PsySine | stew: no I can't boot from cd, thats the problem from the beginning. all I can do is put the hdd into another computer |
| 18:51.42 | stew | PsySine: you could try at least adding ide_generic |
| 18:51.56 | Multiply | Thanks, chops. |
| 18:52.04 | chops | Multiply: np |
| 18:52.05 | fireba11 | PsySine: tried with a bott cd with newer kernel ? |
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| 18:53.45 | northWindz | how do i enable 4.1 sound in Etch? |
| 18:53.47 | PsySine | stew: ok, I will |
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| 18:54.13 | PsySine | fireba11: the kernel is .24.1 i think but the computer is very old anyway :) |
| 18:54.40 | private_meta | so, does anyone know anything about that: I have a package hanging in my upgrade, it's called "libkrb5-17-heimdal". If i want to remove that, it also wants to remove "libgssapi1-heimdal", but if i want to install it, it wants to remove "libgssapi1-heimdal" and "libroken16-kerberos4kth" |
| 18:56.14 | northWindz | anyone? |
| 18:56.31 | abrotman | northWindz: probably start with the alsa documentation |
| 18:56.52 | northWindz | ok...thanks for that... |
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| 18:57.19 | fireba11 | can someone help me with my ftp auth problem ? ^^ |
| 18:57.31 | cahoot | northWindz: speaker-test -c5 seems to work? |
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| 18:58.02 | suppaman | I'm having a lot of lines like this one on screen : |
| 18:58.06 | suppaman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:58.21 | suppaman | MAC address is actually padded to 0 by me |
| 18:58.30 | cahoot | northWindz: if it does I suppose the thing is to tell the app to output to 4.1 |
| 18:58.37 | suppaman | what is that related to? |
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| 18:58.52 | suppaman | this box is hanging out from time to time |
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| 18:59.20 | simonrvn | private_meta: the kth thing must be removed, it's for kerberos4 which isn't supported at all in any of the debian packages |
| 18:59.34 | benjamindees | cahoot, you notice he left for a while, right? |
| 18:59.43 | inFw | simonrvn, sorry just saw your message. Where did I get what? The packages? debian.ua.pt |
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| 19:00.15 | cahoot | benjamindees: I see join/quits silenced here |
| 19:00.36 | simonrvn | inFw: no, i meant is that from backports.org, a debian mirror, or some 3rd party non-official thing? |
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| 19:02.38 | inFw | simonrvn, a debian mirror |
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| 19:04.54 | jim | is it possible to install by writing the netinst image onto a usb hd? |
| 19:05.07 | jim | (and booting that) |
| 19:05.07 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 19:05.07 | dpkg | methinks usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
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| 19:05.42 | stew | jim: yes and no. you'd write the netinst image onto a usb hd, then boot a different kernel, and install packages from the netinst iso |
| 19:06.27 | simonrvn | inFw: check your versions of stuff, make sure you don't have any old files lying around conflicting with other stuff |
| 19:06.27 | suppaman | also my system can't found kernel's headers, should I switch to a previous kernel image or install full sources? |
| 19:06.33 | suppaman | I mean I can't use m-a |
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| 19:07.05 | jim | as of this moment I'm on my laptop; it has win xp and happens to have grub already installed |
| 19:07.08 | stew | suppaman: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:07.20 | luka | hi |
| 19:07.33 | suppaman | stew: 2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP |
| 19:07.44 | suppaman | stew: that's lenny safe-upgraded |
| 19:07.51 | luka | I'm having probs getting forcedeth on my abit nf7-s nforce2 chipset nic |
| 19:07.55 | luka | to work |
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| 19:08.02 | luka | it gets loaded but no eth0 |
| 19:08.09 | luka | ? |
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| 19:08.14 | suppaman | stew: it's occasionally hanging up and I think the damn PCI rt2400 card is the guilt, I'd like to rebuild driver |
| 19:08.16 | stew | !info linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 lenny |
| 19:08.30 | jim | luka: look at ifconfig -a |
| 19:08.35 | suppaman | !info linux-headers-2.6.22-3-686 lenny |
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| 19:08.43 | luka | jim hang on |
| 19:08.50 | luka | gotta jump to the other room |
| 19:09.06 | ohnose | PCI rt2400 is a rt2x00 wlan card, right? I think 2.6.24 supports that natrively |
| 19:09.15 | jim | wow... hope there aren[t lotsa floors involved |
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| 19:09.31 | luka | nope |
| 19:09.34 | luka | just 2 doors |
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| 19:09.41 | luka | I+ve got eth1 and lo |
| 19:09.50 | jim | hmm |
| 19:09.52 | stew | luka: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 19:09.53 | jim | what's eth1? |
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| 19:10.15 | simonrvn | second ethernet interface, usually ;p |
| 19:10.27 | luka | jim looks like normal eth interface to me |
| 19:10.37 | stew | suppaman: i'd say if you don't have a reason not to, you should upgrade to a current kernel. pdo says that the .22-3 headers still should be available but i guess they are not |
| 19:10.38 | luka | just like what eth0 looked like |
| 19:10.49 | jim | see if you can use that (you have no eth0, huh?) |
| 19:11.13 | suppaman | stew: oh I tought I was already upgraded |
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| 19:11.26 | luka | stew you think renaming the interface would do some good? |
| 19:11.33 | stew | suppaman: no, http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6/news/20080407T223919Z.html |
| 19:11.39 | suppaman | stew: ah I see, I was still using the handmade lilo config |
| 19:11.39 | heliostech | hi folks, apt-get install xorg-server wants to install ALL the graphic drivers |
| 19:11.45 | suppaman | now I'm installing grub |
| 19:11.49 | heliostech | how can I pick only MY driver |
| 19:11.50 | suppaman | after I've run update-grub |
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| 19:12.03 | suppaman | stew: so I was just loading an slightly older kernel image |
| 19:12.05 | stew | luka: there is no need to rename it. i'm just pointing you to a file which would say definitively if eth1 was in fact your nforce ethernet and why it might be eth1 and not eth0 |
| 19:12.20 | chops | heliostech: Use aptitude, and at the Y/n prompt tell it a big list of packages not to install is what I would do |
| 19:12.22 | suppaman | I'd like pancakes |
| 19:12.39 | chops | heliostech: So answer Y/n with: _xserver-xorg-video-all _xserver-xorg-video-intel _xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 19:12.42 | chops | heliostech: And so on |
| 19:13.15 | luka | stew: you're right |
| 19:13.20 | luka | are you human or a bot? |
| 19:13.31 | jim | botman! |
| 19:13.31 | suppaman | lol |
| 19:13.38 | simonrvn | o_O |
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| 19:13.42 | jim | B1FF!!! |
| 19:13.45 | suppaman | half-man, half Blender |
| 19:14.04 | luka | :) that was on the mark hehehe |
| 19:14.05 | jim | tha;ts why we call him bender |
| 19:14.09 | stew | heliostech: aptitude install xserver-xorg xserver-org-video-$foo xbase-fonts xbase-utils xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse... |
| 19:14.13 | stew | luka: human |
| 19:14.37 | luka | tx mate |
| 19:14.40 | simonrvn | xserver-org-video-$foo doesn't exist ;p |
| 19:14.55 | stew | simonrvn: you incorrectly set $foo |
| 19:15.05 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 19:15.08 | zinx | xserver-xorg-video-$foo |
| 19:15.16 | simonrvn | export foo=foo |
| 19:15.20 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 19:15.30 | phaidros | 8) |
| 19:16.07 | embrik | can anybody help me understand clonezill, or point me to a channel where I can ask about cloning entire disks |
| 19:16.08 | stew | export foo=^w^wvideo-indep |
| 19:16.11 | private_meta | simonrvn: thanks a lot |
| 19:16.27 | private_meta | simonrvn: I didn't know that kerberos isn't supported |
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| 19:16.49 | stew | embrik: are the disks the same size? |
| 19:16.59 | ohnose | was the question (on this channel) how to encrypt existing disks ever answered? |
| 19:16.59 | roe_ | I'm trying to use sendmail to redirect some stdout, but I would like to provide a subject, I don't see that option in the man page |
| 19:17.05 | simonrvn | private_meta: kerby 4 isn't, not 5. 5 is (of course) |
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| 19:17.16 | private_meta | simonrvn: oh... ok :) |
| 19:17.22 | embrik | stew: the same size, the same computers |
| 19:17.44 | stew | embrik: "cp /dev/source /dev/target" no need to use any fancy tools |
| 19:18.00 | jim | if you're feeding to sendmail I guess you feed a subject header... if you're feeding to mail, use -s (man mail for detail) |
| 19:18.08 | danand_ | embrik - dd? |
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| 19:18.30 | suppaman | grub-install warned me it could take long time o guess BIOS drives, but it has been there like 10 minutes |
| 19:18.42 | suppaman | is it still "long" or is it already "too much" ? |
| 19:18.48 | jim | that would be a long time... |
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| 19:18.53 | roe_ | jim, ah mail is more appropriate |
| 19:18.55 | roe_ | thanx |
| 19:19.05 | embrik | stew: and danand_ I'm not very tecnical - I don't understand how to reach the local hd when booting on a live cd |
| 19:19.15 | dondelelcaro | suppaman: it does take a while, but you can probably kill it, and then use --no-floppy or similar. |
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| 19:20.28 | rks | i want to invoke modem command |
| 19:20.42 | rks | from where i will execute these command |
| 19:20.55 | rks | in windows there is hyperterminal |
| 19:21.01 | rks | any program in linux |
| 19:21.02 | embrik | stew: In fact - I find it hard to find the right questions to ask - I use clonezilla now, I choose an external usb disk - and it gets mounted automatically, but in the next steps I can't figure out why I don't see the local partitions - they shouldn't be mounted as I boot from a live cd? |
| 19:21.13 | stew | embrik: "fdisk -l" should list all of your known disks and partitions |
| 19:21.18 | jim | your modem on a serial port? |
| 19:21.21 | paxcoder | rks: try wvdial |
| 19:21.28 | jim | try minicom |
| 19:21.32 | stew | embrik: i have no idea what your particular livecd is or what it should be doing |
| 19:21.52 | jim | try both :) |
| 19:22.07 | rks | and can u tell me a link where i can find all modem commands |
| 19:22.16 | rks | and what they do |
| 19:22.19 | jim | your modem's manual. |
| 19:22.22 | rks | and my modem is usb |
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| 19:22.35 | rks | i am using cell phone |
| 19:22.37 | stew | embrik: oh 'clonezilla' is the name of the linux distribution you are using? |
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| 19:22.58 | embrik | stew: it's called clonezilla - it makes an img-file of the selected disk or partition - but I don't find it very easy to follow |
| 19:23.10 | twobitsp2ite | can someone point me to some documentation on building .deb packages? I see a few, but they don't seem to go into much detail |
| 19:23.15 | rks | and i want to know whcih command are supported by my computer and which commads are not |
| 19:23.22 | stew | embrik: you should be asking somewhere specific to clonezilla then. we only support debian here |
| 19:23.24 | rks | how i can do that |
| 19:23.29 | embrik | no, I'm using debian etch - clonezilla is a live cd to make copies of disks using gui |
| 19:23.38 | paxcoder | EMERGENCY ok, i've got this annoying beep sound from my PC speaker that keeps repeating. happened while i was logging in (as it should), but it kept repeating, and still does |
| 19:23.39 | jim | that's a hardware dependency... translated: your modem does what it does, probably different from any other kind, you'll have to look up in its manual. |
| 19:24.04 | stew | embrik: and what is your question? |
| 19:24.55 | embrik | stew: how do I dump an entire disk on an external disk in order to copy it back on a lot of other, similar laptops |
| 19:25.04 | luka | stew: did as you suggested and in that file my old nic created a eth0 entry that pushed the new onchip nic to eth1 |
| 19:25.07 | suppaman | dondelelcaro: can you give me an idea of how much "a while" is? |
| 19:25.20 | dondelelcaro | suppaman: generally you're talking about 2-3 minutes |
| 19:25.22 | luka | so I deleted the first entry and renamed eth1 to eth0 and eth2 to eth1 |
| 19:25.30 | luka | so now it's all dandy |
| 19:25.30 | suppaman | dondelelcaro: I'm way over that |
| 19:25.37 | dondelelcaro | suppaman: but you can always kill it off and use --no-floppy since that's almost always what is slowing it down. |
| 19:25.44 | paxcoder | BEEP anyone care BEEP to help me BEEEP |
| 19:26.11 | zinx | paxcoder: X or console? |
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| 19:26.14 | paxcoder | kicks the computer in the head (well, the box) |
| 19:26.14 | dondelelcaro | !+bell |
| 19:26.14 | chops | paxcoder: Sometimes the BIOS will cause the speaker to beep in case of serious hardware trouble |
| 19:26.15 | dpkg | i heard bell is "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell |
| 19:26.19 | paxcoder | zinx: X |
| 19:26.23 | luka | paxcoder: perhaps you can turn it off in bios? |
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| 19:26.29 | paxcoder | chops: no, now it does that |
| 19:26.31 | zinx | paxcoder: xset b off - if it's still on, then you have a hardware problem |
| 19:26.32 | suppaman | dondelelcaro: I'm trying |
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| 19:26.39 | paxcoder | luka: maybe, but i don't want to |
| 19:26.41 | suppaman | and I still got those lines.. |
| 19:26.44 | paxcoder | i don't want to turn it off |
| 19:26.45 | stew | embrik: "cp /dev/sourcedisk /dev/targetdisk" but substitude sourcedisk and targetdisk with actual device names. like if you wanted to copy an internal ide disk to a usb disk it might be "cp /dev/hda /dev/sda" but MAKE SURE you know which is which, as this is a destructive operation to the target disk |
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| 19:26.59 | dondelelcaro | suppaman: which lines? |
| 19:27.02 | zinx | paxcoder: if it doesn't beep, then you can turn it back on and start killing stuff 'til it stops :P |
| 19:27.06 | suppaman | dondelelcaro: like |
| 19:27.07 | suppaman | IN=eth21 OUT= MAC=00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00:00 SRC=192.168.1.88 DST=224.0.0.251 LEN=455 TOS=0x18 PREC=0x00 TTL=255 ID=28042 PROTO=UDP SPT=5353 DPT=5353 LEN=435 |
| 19:27.15 | paxcoder | zinx: will do |
| 19:27.23 | dondelelcaro | suppaman: uh... that's iptables log target; has nothing to do with grub-install |
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| 19:27.43 | zinx | paxcoder: i've not heard of that happening in Debian before, though.. no idea which program could be causing it |
| 19:27.46 | Supaplex | looks like his z25 is at eth21 already :) |
| 19:27.46 | paxcoder | zinx: still does that |
| 19:27.52 | suppaman | dondelelcaro: I know, I was just wondering why I get them in console |
| 19:27.57 | paxcoder | but i just bought the MBO |
| 19:28.10 | dondelelcaro | suppaman: because you've got printk set to show them to you on the console |
| 19:28.14 | zinx | paxcoder: type 'sensors' |
| 19:28.17 | jim | perhaps it would be good to find out why it's beeping |
| 19:28.24 | Supaplex | suppaman: btw, that's multicast dns |
| 19:28.29 | suppaman | dondelelcaro: print kernel? |
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| 19:28.34 | dondelelcaro | !printk |
| 19:28.35 | suppaman | Supaplex: 1) nice nick |
| 19:28.35 | dpkg | [printk console] see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
| 19:28.40 | paxcoder | zinx: bash: sensors: command not found |
| 19:28.45 | dondelelcaro | suppaman: see above. |
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| 19:28.48 | suppaman | Supaplex: why should I have multicast ? |
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| 19:29.08 | zinx | paxcoder: reboot and check the health monitoring stuff in the BIOS |
| 19:29.08 | bahadunn | what's up suckas? |
| 19:29.11 | suppaman | dondelelcaro: reading |
| 19:29.15 | Supaplex | suppaman: your iptables log DPT=5353 |
| 19:29.27 | zinx | paxcoder: if it's all fine, install sensors - aptitude install lm-sensors |
| 19:29.33 | paxcoder | zinx: it happened just after i logged in, after switching users |
| 19:29.41 | suppaman | Supaplex: Destination PorT? |
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| 19:29.51 | paxcoder | zinx: you know that beep when it prompts for pass. |
| 19:29.51 | zinx | paxcoder: not relevant, if it's happening with beeps turned off in Linux, then it's the BIOS doing it |
| 19:29.55 | paxcoder | it just kept repeating |
| 19:30.04 | paxcoder | zinx: darn it |
| 19:30.06 | chops | paxcoder: The fact that it happened at a particular time doesn't necessarily mean that what was happening at that time was what caused it |
| 19:30.17 | zinx | paxcoder: it doesn't beep here when it prompts for a password, fwiw. i'm sure that's a setting :/ |
| 19:30.29 | paxcoder | chops: but it happened twice today in the same place that normally beeps (but once) |
| 19:30.31 | chops | paxcoder: (The particular thing that you were aware of happening at that time, at least) |
| 19:30.41 | zinx | paxcoder: in any case, check the health monitors and if they're fine, check sensors while in Linux |
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| 19:30.48 | paxcoder | zinx: it's default |
| 19:31.03 | jim | does debian have preempt kernels? |
| 19:31.05 | paxcoder | zinx: ok |
| 19:31.11 | paxcoder | will come back |
| 19:31.53 | BartVB | any idea how to figure out why a box isn't responding to SYNs? |
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| 19:32.10 | chops | jim: I don't think any Debian kernels have preempt enabled |
| 19:32.28 | stew | BartVB: is the port open? |
| 19:32.36 | jim | BartVB: a box under your control? |
| 19:32.40 | suppaman | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 19:32.43 | suppaman | as simple as dmesg -n1 |
| 19:32.46 | paxcoder | wait, i just remembered. the last time it was doing this, it stopped when it was shutting down, after "sending TERM signal to all processes" |
| 19:32.51 | suppaman | still waiting grub-install tho' |
| 19:32.57 | paxcoder | so, it must be a process |
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| 19:33.01 | BartVB | stew; yup, jim; yup |
| 19:33.04 | chops | paxcoder: Could be |
| 19:33.04 | suppaman | Supaplex: can we discuss about it further? |
| 19:33.11 | zinx | paxcoder: could be a lot of things :/ |
| 19:33.15 | dondelelcaro | suppaman: so stop it and rerun it with --no-floppy; and similar. |
| 19:33.30 | suppaman | dondelelcaro: no it's already running with --no-floppy |
| 19:33.30 | stew | BartVB: are you sure the SYN arrives on your machine? (you could check with tcpdump) |
| 19:33.35 | BartVB | it's a weird intermitted problem. At times tcpdump doesn't show anything, a few minutes later all I see are incoming SYNs, a few more minutes and everything is working again. |
| 19:33.39 | paxcoder | zinx: yeah.... |
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| 19:33.43 | PsySine | stew: thank you, adding ide_generic to initrd worked great :D |
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| 19:33.47 | roe_ | what is the apt-cache equil to apt-get's '-t' |
| 19:33.48 | chops | paxcoder: You can try shutting down every service with /etc/init.d/blah stop until you get to the "kill all processes" script, and then see what's left and kill them one by one |
| 19:34.00 | zinx | paxcoder: generally it will only stop there due to the kernel being confused (trying to write to a disk/device it can't write to, thus locking), sometimes due to bad drivers, sometimes due to bad hardware |
| 19:34.04 | roe_ | equil=equiv |
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| 19:34.16 | jim | maybe it's responding to what it thinks is a SYN flood |
| 19:34.17 | chops | paxcoder: You should be careful with "must be" when discussing strange problems :-). It might be because of a process, yes. |
| 19:34.18 | paxcoder | chops: is that safe? and should i do it from the tty1? |
| 19:34.27 | suppaman | dondelelcaro: trying --force-lba |
| 19:34.38 | stew | PsySine: i'd recommend rebuilding the initrd once you succesfully boot on the target machine without ide_generic so it is not the ide driver you actually end up using |
| 19:34.42 | zinx | paxcoder: after the TERM signal is killed, it's supposed to wait only ~5 seconds, then send a KILL signal. |
| 19:34.42 | chops | paxcoder: It is safe to shut down all the system's services in the same order as /etc/rc0.d shows them |
| 19:34.49 | zinx | paxcoder: erh, sent, not killed |
| 19:34.53 | stew | PsySine: (since ide_generic will be much slower) |
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| 19:35.09 | Supaplex | suppaman: yes that's the destination port, which matches what's in /etc/services |
| 19:35.12 | PsySine | stew: ah ok |
| 19:35.16 | zinx | paxcoder: the KILL signal always succeeds unless there's a major problem with the kernel. |
| 19:35.23 | BartVB | jim; there are only a few SYNs per second and it's blocking SYNs from all IPs |
| 19:35.40 | paxcoder | zinx: i was just saying, it's not the BIOS then |
| 19:35.40 | chops | paxcoder: You should do that from tty1, yes |
| 19:35.40 | suppaman | Supaplex: I've just installed avahi daemon for mdns |
| 19:35.40 | stew | BartVB: how do you know its blocking them? |
| 19:35.42 | jim | are there iptables rules? |
| 19:35.45 | suppaman | Supaplex: but why logging it ? |
| 19:35.49 | stew | BartVB: have you checked the output of "iptables -L -n"? |
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| 19:36.01 | zinx | paxcoder: no, that doesn't mean it's not the BIOS |
| 19:36.02 | Supaplex | suppaman: check iptables-save for any log targets |
| 19:36.06 | BartVB | stew; iptables is completely clean (i.e. not in use) |
| 19:36.07 | jim | -n means don't resolve dns? |
| 19:36.18 | paxcoder | zinx: why? if it stops after term, it's only logical. |
| 19:36.31 | zinx | paxcoder: if it's not a console app (setterm -blength 0), and not an x app (xset b off), then it is the BIOS |
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| 19:36.42 | zinx | paxcoder: no, it's not. |
| 19:36.53 | paxcoder | zinx: will try |
| 19:37.04 | stew | BartVB: can you connect from localhost? |
| 19:37.06 | BartVB | stew, jim; Hmm, it seems to be a weird problem with linux-vserver :\ It does work from the vserver itself... |
| 19:37.06 | zinx | paxcoder: you have to do setterm in an actual console tty |
| 19:37.09 | jim | BartVB: what's this particular box for? (btw, helpful to have a name to call it... care to pick one?) |
| 19:37.11 | paxcoder | zinx: well, it seems more probable. don't bug :-) |
| 19:37.20 | heliostech | how can i install this package : http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 19:37.23 | chops | paxcoder: I would agree that it's logical to assume that the noise stopping on killall5 implies that it's a process |
| 19:37.25 | zinx | paxcoder: constant beeps are usually the BIOS. |
| 19:37.30 | heliostech | it's unstable how can I access it ? |
| 19:37.32 | suppaman | ok now the box doesn't answer at all, completely hanged |
| 19:37.34 | BartVB | jim; it's www.phpbb.nl :) |
| 19:37.37 | heliostech | apt-get search don't return it |
| 19:37.40 | stew | BartVB: how did you check the the port was open? |
| 19:37.50 | paxcoder | zinx: but if it stops when i shut it down, how can i diagnose it? |
| 19:37.52 | jim | ohh, there's more than one machine running on this machine?! |
| 19:37.55 | chops | paxcoder: Just be careful with "it's not" and "must be" and such |
| 19:38.07 | zinx | paxcoder: though i think i misread what you said about the TERM sending |
| 19:38.09 | chops | paxcoder: Do the shutdown by hand, one step at a time, as I said above |
| 19:38.13 | paxcoder | chops: ok already |
| 19:38.20 | PsySine | isn't "noacpi" how to tell the kernel not to bother about acpi? |
| 19:38.28 | paxcoder | chops: ok |
| 19:38.29 | suppaman | wth hell is hald ? |
| 19:38.31 | r4v5 | in a general ./configure ; make ; make install-type install process, how do i tell where else to look for a library? |
| 19:38.34 | BartVB | stew; main problem is with http, checked with a browser and telnet www.phpbb.nl 80 :) |
| 19:38.35 | suppaman | I can't kill "man hald" |
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| 19:38.46 | stew | suppaman: apt-cache show hal |
| 19:38.49 | jim | hald is bald without a _ |
| 19:38.52 | suppaman | stew: I can't |
| 19:38.56 | suppaman | stew: it's hanged |
| 19:38.59 | zinx | paxcoder: actually, my suggestion is to kill stuff that isn't killed by the shutdown scripts |
| 19:39.00 | BartVB | jim; yup, multiple vservers on the same physical box. Only this particular vserver seems to have intermittent problems |
| 19:39.10 | stew | suppaman: http://packages.debian.org/hal |
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| 19:39.17 | zinx | paxcoder: because all that should already be shut down by the time it gets to 'sending processes the TERM signal...' |
| 19:39.25 | jim | look at the shape of the net |
| 19:39.40 | suppaman | hal daemon then |
| 19:39.47 | zinx | paxcoder: stuff that's eating CPU should be the first to go, but it doesn't take a lot of CPU to beep, so there may not be anything |
| 19:39.50 | stew | BartVB: so you are able to connect with a browser and "telnet www.phpbb.nl 80" ? |
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| 19:39.56 | desktop | Hello there |
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| 19:39.59 | jim | there must be networking and routing inside the box to make it work for all the vservers, like a bridge or something |
| 19:40.03 | paxcoder | zinx: actually, even gdm is killed after that said |
| 19:40.05 | BartVB | stew I can from the vserver, can't from the outside |
| 19:40.09 | desktop | My debian desktop suddenly has no desktop icons (xfce) |
| 19:40.11 | desktop | any idea what caused it |
| 19:40.21 | phaidros | BartVB: incoming works, outgoing not? |
| 19:40.41 | zinx | paxcoder: o_O |
| 19:40.41 | jim | the thing that places the desktop icons isn't running? |
| 19:41.32 | stew | BartVB: are you sure that your box doesn't ACK the SYNs? |
| 19:41.33 | chops | desktop: Did you do an upgrade (or anything else)? |
| 19:41.33 | roe_ | how do I search using apt-cache a specific repo? |
| 19:41.33 | BartVB | phaidros, outgoing works when it's initiated by the vserver. Incoming seems to be ignored (intermittedly that is) |
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| 19:41.33 | desktop | chops: idr |
| 19:41.33 | stew | roe_: you don't |
| 19:41.33 | BartVB | stew; it doesn't according to tcpdump. |
| 19:41.33 | desktop | i run apt-get upgrade |
| 19:41.33 | paxcoder | paxcoder: it says sending TERM, and then it sends it. nothing confusing about that |
| 19:41.33 | desktop | would that cause it? |
| 19:41.33 | chops | desktop: It could |
| 19:41.35 | desktop | how would i fix it then |
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| 19:41.42 | paxcoder | zinx: to you, not to me ^^ |
| 19:41.44 | stew | BartVB: does the ip address on the syn match an ip address that the service is listening on? |
| 19:41.51 | roe_ | stew, well then there must be a different approach to my goal, I want to show the version in the backports repo for spamassassin |
| 19:41.55 | chops | desktop: What all got upgraded? You can look in the dpkg log. |
| 19:42.03 | paxcoder | zinx: ok, i'll try shutting down |
| 19:42.03 | zinx | paxcoder: no, but it should have stopped everything before doing a killall5 |
| 19:42.04 | stew | roe_: apt-cache policy spamassassin |
| 19:42.06 | desktop | meh, its not worth it |
| 19:42.09 | desktop | ill just format |
| 19:42.13 | phaidros | BartVB: could be a thing of arpcache .. |
| 19:42.15 | paxcoder | zinx: i don't know |
| 19:42.28 | chops | desktop: You can also do aptitude dist-upgrade to see if you're missing something because you did 'upgrade' instead of 'dist-upgrade' |
| 19:42.35 | roe_ | stew, very nice, thanx |
| 19:42.40 | chops | desktop: What release did you upgrade from and to? |
| 19:42.43 | BartVB | stew; yes, exact match |
| 19:42.47 | zinx | paxcoder: the killall5s are to get the remaining processes.. anything with a startup/shutdown script is supposed to use that script |
| 19:42.48 | desktop | chops: i installed etch |
| 19:42.51 | BartVB | phaidros, I'll try clearing it. THanks |
| 19:42.52 | desktop | and just upgrade packagesas its ready |
| 19:43.09 | paxcoder | zinx: how come gdm started after it showed "killing all..." |
| 19:43.10 | stew | BartVB: how did you check which addresses the service was listening on? |
| 19:43.14 | desktop | the following packages are unused and will be REMOVED: desktop-file-utils fortune-mod fortunes-min librecode0 xfce4-artwork xfce4-battery-plugin xfce4-clipman-plugin xfce4-cpufreq-plugin xfce4-cpugraph-plugin xfce4-diskperf-plugin xfce4-fsguard-plugin xfce4-genmon-plugin xfce4-mailwatch-plugin xfce4-minicmd-plugin xfce4-mount-plugin xfce4-netload-plugin xfce4-notes-plugin |
| 19:43.20 | desktop | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.20 | paxcoder | zinx: sorry, "sending TERM" |
| 19:43.21 | chops | desktop: So during the period of time when it stopped working, what Debian release did you upgrade from and to? |
| 19:43.23 | desktop | Wow, sorry for flood |
| 19:43.26 | stew | BartVB: it can't possibly be arp |
| 19:43.32 | desktop | I didn't |
| 19:43.35 | stew | BartVB: (unless something you told us so far was wrong) |
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| 19:43.42 | desktop | I was in middle of just logigng on and they disappeared |
| 19:43.44 | zinx | paxcoder: *started* after? sounds like a pretty big bug :P |
| 19:44.08 | twobitsp2ite | ok, so I'm following the debian new maintainer's handbook, and I installed the packages they recommend I don't have the dh_make command... |
| 19:44.09 | jim | pretty bug that's also big? |
| 19:44.09 | stew | hmm, well maybe it could |
| 19:44.10 | chops | desktop: You said 'I run apt-get upgrade'. When did you run apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:44.11 | paxcoder | zinx: stopped, cmon |
| 19:44.19 | paxcoder | zinx: i'll try shutting down now |
| 19:44.23 | paxcoder | zinx: ok? |
| 19:44.27 | chops | desktop: And what Debian release were you running before this problem occurred, and what Debian release are you running now? |
| 19:44.32 | BartVB | stew; all services are listening on 82.161.230.68, that's also working most of the time but once in a while (several times a day) it stops responding to new requests :\ |
| 19:44.34 | desktop | chops: Etch |
| 19:44.37 | zinx | paxcoder: gdm should have stopped before it sent the TERM signal |
| 19:44.41 | BartVB | stew; but can check with lsof just to be sure |
| 19:44.47 | desktop | I run the upgrade every day or two |
| 19:44.47 | zinx | paxcoder: it's possible you're not seeing those messages because X is up |
| 19:44.49 | paxcoder | zinx: well, that's what i saw |
| 19:45.01 | jim | try dh-make |
| 19:45.02 | zinx | paxcoder: try switching to a different term - tty 7 for example |
| 19:45.10 | desktop | im just gonna format chops |
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| 19:45.12 | desktop | nothing important on here |
| 19:45.13 | paxcoder | zinx: if you mean, messages for errors, i checked other ttys |
| 19:45.14 | twobitsp2ite | jim: don't have that either |
| 19:45.15 | jim | !info dh-make |
| 19:45.16 | phaidros | BartVB: is the internal network to the vservers nat'ed? if so, maybe the ip_tables conntrack table is full |
| 19:45.20 | zinx | paxcoder: i mean for shutdown messages |
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| 19:45.31 | dondelelcaro | zinx: gdm doesn't need to cleanup, so it can just be kill -9'ed during shutdown. |
| 19:45.44 | zinx | dondelelcaro: it shouldn't be, though :/ |
| 19:45.45 | paxcoder | zinx: it stopped |
| 19:45.53 | BartVB | phaidros, no NAT, no iptables. THere are only dumb switches between me and the vserver (and the vserver software ofcourse) |
| 19:46.01 | chops | desktop: Okay. I think tracking down the problem is a better way to go than reformatting, but it's up to you. |
| 19:46.11 | phaidros | BartVB: I mean the vserver internal networking ;) |
| 19:46.13 | twobitsp2ite | jim: I installed dpkg-dev package, but don't have either dh_make or dh-make |
| 19:46.26 | phaidros | BartVB: vservers must be connected somehow to the physical host |
| 19:46.32 | desktop | chops: im gonna use gentoo to play with now |
| 19:46.32 | dpkg | dh-make: (tool that converts source archives into Debian package source), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.44 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 352 kB |
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| 19:46.36 | jim | dh-make is probably the package name while dh_make is the command |
| 19:46.41 | zinx | dondelelcaro: and there's a /etc/rc6.d/K01gdm at least |
| 19:46.53 | BartVB | not sure how linux-vserver does that, as far as I know it doesn't use iptables for this. iptables -L tells me that there are no rules in effect |
| 19:47.11 | jim | but you should consider doing the conversion yourself... have you read the debian hello source files? |
| 19:47.11 | phaidros | BartVB: ok, then no cannttrack table :) |
| 19:47.12 | twobitsp2ite | jim: ahh... why isn't that listed in the howto? |
| 19:47.19 | paxcoder | zinx: my X is on tty8 after installing radeon drivers. i switched into tty10, and the other login screen was there (!?!?) and it stopped beeping immediately |
| 19:47.21 | zinx | dondelelcaro: and i know doing /etc/init.d/gdm stop works. |
| 19:47.22 | twobitsp2ite | jim: no... |
| 19:47.34 | jim | what's your goal here? |
| 19:47.35 | twobitsp2ite | jim: I'm following this: http://www.us.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html |
| 19:47.38 | jim | err brb |
| 19:47.43 | zinx | paxcoder: erh, you shouldn't have multiple X servers running |
| 19:47.57 | paxcoder | zinx: yeah, i think so too. why are they there? |
| 19:48.02 | paxcoder | zinx: i don't know. |
| 19:48.09 | zinx | paxcoder: i don't know. it's clear you did not do things the debian way, though :x |
| 19:48.15 | paxcoder | zinx: all i know is i was right: it was the switch user thing |
| 19:48.27 | paxcoder | zinx: i did |
| 19:48.32 | zinx | paxcoder: the radeon drivers are part of debian.. the fglrx drivers (which aren't the radeon drivers) are available in debian, i think |
| 19:48.43 | zinx | paxcoder: none of it starts new X servers |
| 19:48.56 | paxcoder | zinx: switch user, log in, log out, back to the other (still active) user. that was the procedure (for reacting it :-) ) |
| 19:49.03 | zinx | and there are a million places they could be told to start, so i am not going to attempt to find where :/ |
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| 19:49.14 | paxcoder | zinx: i did what dpkg bot told me |
| 19:49.21 | paxcoder | zinx (about the drivers) |
| 19:49.32 | paxcoder | zinx: that means: the debian way (binaries) |
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| 19:50.37 | paxcoder | zinx: drivers are to blame, i agree |
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| 19:50.57 | jim | I turned left on Debian Way... and a semi ran into me!! |
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| 19:51.03 | stew | twobitsp2ite: see "You'll probably want to install the following packages, too:...dh-make" |
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| 19:51.43 | paxcoder | zinx: or should we say: we say with all the uncertainty that we think it might be the drivers based on what we have seen and deducted. |
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| 19:51.59 | paxcoder | zinx: :-P |
| 19:51.59 | zinx | paxcoder: dunno |
| 19:52.06 | zinx | paxcoder: shouldn't be starting two X's |
| 19:52.12 | zinx | paxcoder: gdm is probably stupid |
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| 19:52.18 | zinx | everything else GNOME does is :/ |
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| 19:52.20 | jim | unless you arranged for same |
| 19:52.25 | zinx | (note: i use GNOME) |
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| 19:52.35 | paxcoder | punches gdm right in the desktop |
| 19:52.39 | embrik | what do I write from a live cd to list the local devices on the local hd? |
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| 19:54.22 | paxcoder | knows he wasn't funny |
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| 19:54.30 | paxcoder | what a heck was that? |
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| 19:54.38 | chops | paxcoder: A netsplit |
| 19:54.38 | paxcoder | what's that |
| 19:54.45 | dokma | stew: now that my nic is working I've got a q for you. on my old abit kg7-raid my ide drive benched with hdparm -tT in single user mode performed better than on the newer abit nf7-s benched also with hdparm -tT in single user mode |
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| 19:54.45 | paxcoder | !netsplit |
| 19:54.45 | dpkg | netsplit is, like, A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 19:54.45 | chops | !tell paxcoder about netsplit |
| 19:54.45 | dokma | any idea what would be the culprit? |
| 19:54.46 | twobitsp2ite | stew: yeah, I just saw that... I must have skipped it :P |
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| 19:54.46 | jim | the culprit is the person what did it! |
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| 19:54.59 | stew | dokma: no, sorry |
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| 19:55.01 | paxcoder | chops: wow, never heard about it. somehow i feel scared. In a matrix kinda way |
| 19:55.01 | dokma | is there any way to get ide to perform better? |
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| 19:55.02 | embrik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:55.21 | paxcoder | chops: how come it didn't kick us? where are you from? |
| 19:55.27 | jim | you could try fdisk -l |
| 19:55.28 | twobitsp2ite | paxcoder: happens all the time... you should be scared when a netsplit doesn't happen |
| 19:55.31 | stew | embrik: what do you mean by 'local devices on the local hd'? what information are you trying to discover? |
| 19:55.37 | chops | paxcoder: It did kick us, from the perspective of the people who we saw getting kicked |
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| 19:55.56 | chops | paxcoder: Who gets to remain in the channel with who depends on which server we're logged into, not where we are physically |
| 19:56.02 | paxcoder | chops: oh. i see. it's a good thing then. netsplit is my friend |
| 19:57.16 | paxcoder | another question. i get a message: |
| 19:57.32 | paxcoder | waiting for clock tick timed out |
| 19:57.35 | paxcoder | everytime it boots |
| 19:57.39 | paxcoder | what's up with that? |
| 19:57.51 | paxcoder | it says it can't synchronise the clock or something |
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| 19:58.02 | paxcoder | chops? do you know? |
| 19:58.13 | jim | did you install ntp |
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| 19:58.21 | paxcoder | jim: no |
| 19:58.31 | paxcoder | jim: i managed without it before |
| 19:58.39 | chops | paxcoder: What gives that message? What log does it go in? Is there any other information? |
| 19:58.56 | paxcoder | chops: wow, lots of hard ones there. |
| 19:59.05 | paxcoder | chops: i don't know |
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| 19:59.41 | jim | when you see this message, what/when are you loooking? |
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| 19:59.52 | paxcoder | chops: when the system boots, it happens twice. waiting for clock tick times out. it wouldn't be a problem, it's just it waits for it awhile |
| 20:00.08 | paxcoder | jim: the boot startup. |
| 20:00.16 | paxcoder | jim: you know... |
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| 20:00.23 | chops | paxcoder: Can you look in dmesg and pastebin the appropriate section of it? |
| 20:00.26 | jim | ok, could it be the net isn't set up yet? |
| 20:00.28 | paxcoder | jim: unpacking linux... there |
| 20:00.37 | chops | paxcoder: That'll give a hint as to what part of boot it happens during |
| 20:00.55 | paxcoder | chops: ok, i'll try, how do i do that? |
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| 20:01.08 | paxcoder | opens terminal |
| 20:01.35 | chops | paxcoder: www.google.com?q=waiting+for+clock+tick+timed+out gives some hints |
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| 20:03.03 | patate_ | when building a debian package, packages listed in Conflicts, are removed and not purged, is there anyway to force a purge? |
| 20:03.06 | paxcoder | chops: how do you know so much about the system anyway? does it come with experience (time)? |
| 20:03.18 | chops | paxcoder: Time, mostly, and willingness to learn |
| 20:03.35 | paxcoder | chops: yeah, that too. didn't thought of that :-) |
| 20:03.35 | chops | paxcoder: I used Linux for several months without understanding anything about it, and things were broken a lot |
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| 20:03.45 | hetOrakel | how can i find in wich repository a certain package is |
| 20:03.53 | paxcoder | chops: tell me about it :-D |
| 20:04.00 | streuner | hetOrakel: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 20:04.09 | jim | paxcoder: there's no secret, just put in the time |
| 20:04.11 | streuner | hetOrakel: oh |
| 20:04.19 | jim | learn the shell |
| 20:04.22 | streuner | hetOrakel: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:04.26 | jim | look at the dir structure |
| 20:04.26 | chops | paxcoder: Then I started installing all sorts of .rpms building from scratch from random distributions until I had a great freakish monstrosity of a frankencomputer that sort of worked and needed a lot of educational hand-holding to make things work (nowadays I believe it's called "gentoo") |
| 20:04.29 | jim | start there |
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| 20:04.44 | streuner | hetOrakel: or just use packages.debian.org/<package> |
| 20:04.47 | chops | paxcoder: Then I threw that away and switched to Debian, and read a lot of docs and tried to figure things out |
| 20:05.40 | paxcoder | chops: what do you mean gentoo? |
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| 20:06.11 | chops | paxcoder: gentoo is educational because it encourages fiddling and doing things by hand, and sometimes you have to fix things up before they'll work properly |
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| 20:06.16 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 20:06.16 | jim | commands to know at that point: mkdir, rmdir, ls, cd |
| 20:06.17 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 20:06.18 | paxcoder | chops: Gentoo was initially created by Daniel Robbins as the Enoch Linux distribution |
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| 20:06.44 | paxcoder | chops: (from wiki) that doesn't correspond to rpms you mentioned |
| 20:06.53 | chops | paxcoder: I was joking |
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| 20:07.16 | bfremon | hi all. |
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| 20:07.33 | chops | paxcoder: gentoo fulfills the same "educational but also a pain in the ass" niche that I think used to lead people to set up slackware and/or franken installations |
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| 20:08.05 | chops | paxcoder: So I compared my old franken install to gentoo, which didn't exist at that point |
| 20:08.10 | bfremon | is anyone running compiz with an i945 card ? I've run into several random crashes a day... |
| 20:08.12 | hetOrakel | streuner: apt-cache pol says: W: Unable to locate package libaio |
| 20:08.14 | paxcoder | chops: sorry, i never even tried those. besides debian based distros, i only tried fedora core. and i'm back to debian |
| 20:08.21 | dryrot | I just got back from the Reiser trial |
| 20:08.32 | hetOrakel | streneur: package found on packs.deb.org |
| 20:08.52 | hetOrakel | streuner: but site does not give repos name |
| 20:09.15 | paxcoder | chops: that's cool |
| 20:09.29 | jim | you're in oakland? |
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| 20:10.13 | jim | or where are they trying reiser? |
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| 20:13.02 | paxcoder | chops: ok, thanks, i'll try to get something from the net |
| 20:13.10 | paxcoder | thanks all. bye |
| 20:13.18 | chops | paxcoder: Good luck |
| 20:13.25 | paxcoder | thx |
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| 20:14.47 | Sheepy | DiKKy is sorry for abusing your bot, and he really regrets it, you are good people |
| 20:15.03 | Sheepy | <DiKKy> CAN U TELL #DEBIAN ON FREENODE THAT DIKKY IS SORRY FOR ABUSIN THEIR BOT AND HE REALLY REGRETS IT AND THAT THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE |
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| 20:15.19 | chops | Haha |
| 20:15.29 | amphi | why is he shouting? |
| 20:15.43 | stew | Sheepy: you've been silenced. feel free to /msg me if you decide you have something on-topic |
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| 20:16.02 | muhah | dpkg: error processing console-data (--configure): |
| 20:16.02 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 20:16.09 | streuner | amphi: i ask my crystal-thingie about :-P |
| 20:16.29 | vchrizz | ive got some errors on my raid6 md, when i do a fsck, i get this output: http://rafb.net/p/dQlvNe25.html should i correct all errors or just some specific? |
| 20:16.30 | muhah | Errors were encountered while processing:console-data <--- |
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| 20:16.55 | muhah | theres an error in console-data upgrade for sid |
| 20:17.11 | muhah | how do i fix it |
| 20:17.31 | streuner | muhah: did you look at BTS yet? |
| 20:17.35 | muhah | it says : no template type specified at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm line 34, <GEN0> chunk 10. |
| 20:17.48 | muhah | im not good at perl |
| 20:18.15 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell cron to run all commands in the crontab NOW to check if they're actually OK? |
| 20:18.47 | muhah | no i dont use BTS much either |
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| 20:19.14 | Eulex | !btssmite muhah |
| 20:19.14 | chops | muhah: If you don't use the BTS you shouldn't use sid |
| 20:19.14 | dpkg | beats muhah around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if muhah is running Unstable |
| 20:19.19 | jim | muhah: so you're not good at perl... do you want to be? bts is bugs.debian.org |
| 20:19.56 | muhah | yeah ok so whats the bug number |
| 20:20.08 | jim | what's the package name? |
| 20:20.10 | suppaman | stew: how can I check what kernel-image I have installed? |
| 20:20.19 | jim | look in /boot |
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| 20:20.41 | danand_ | suppaman - uname -r |
| 20:20.48 | stew | suppaman: they are called 'linux-image-*' as of 2.6.12, "dpkg -l linux-image\* kernel-image\*" |
| 20:20.53 | jim | that's what kernel you're running now |
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| 20:21.04 | suppaman | stew: thx |
| 20:21.23 | muhah | k wait i found the bug |
| 20:21.36 | jim | heyy! success!! |
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| 20:21.38 | \amethyst | muhah: looks like bug 475923 |
| 20:21.41 | suppaman | stew: is there a way to just list installed ? |
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| 20:22.00 | PsySine | stew: how can I decide which module I want instead of ide_generic? |
| 20:22.04 | streuner | !dbugs #475923 |
| 20:22.07 | suppaman | stew: a grep filter ? |
| 20:22.07 | dpkg | DONE:#475923:S[console-data] console-data: Upgrade failure: no template type specified at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Template.pm; Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:33:01 UTC |
| 20:22.07 | \amethyst | muhah: what version of console-data are you trying to install? |
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| 20:22.59 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tell cron to run all commands in the crontab NOW to check if they're actually OK? |
| 20:23.00 | HardDisk_WP | (sorry for repeat, my connection broke down and I'm not sure the message got sent :X) |
| 20:23.03 | suppaman | stew: | grep ^i works |
| 20:23.30 | jim | are people from the test net (on port 9001) also here? |
| 20:23.31 | stew | suppaman: aptitude search '~i (linux-image|kernel-image)' ; or you grep, but more accurately would be "grep ^.i" instead of "grep ^i" |
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| 20:23.58 | danand_ | suppaman - dpkg -L | grep linux-image |
| 20:24.22 | danand_ | suppaman - dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 20:24.49 | muhah | it says at BTS : A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is |
| 20:24.53 | muhah | attached. |
| 20:25.17 | muhah | but where is the attachment ? |
| 20:25.33 | suppaman | danand_: that would list every package dpkg knows about not just installed |
| 20:25.36 | chops | muhah: It's not an attachment, the summary is just below in the text |
| 20:26.04 | suppaman | stew: another question can I apt-get remove using wildcard ? I'm trying to prune all old 2.6.1* I have but |
| 20:26.04 | \amethyst | muhah: search for 'Changes:' |
| 20:26.08 | suppaman | s/but// |
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| 20:27.14 | muhah | it says its fixed in the next upgrade |
| 20:27.23 | danand_ | suppaman - dpkg -L | grep ^ii | grep linux-image :) |
| 20:27.23 | \amethyst | muhah: yes, in 2:1.07-2 |
| 20:27.29 | muhah | but i cant find what they have changed though |
| 20:27.31 | stew | suppaman: yes |
| 20:27.46 | \amethyst | muhah: It says "* Re-insert debconf template type in debconf templates." |
| 20:27.52 | stew | danand_: you probably mean -l not -L and as i said before grep ^.i is more accurate |
| 20:28.01 | mengoshmink | anyone know about xconv.pl? |
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| 20:28.04 | suppaman | danand_: ok but that would be overwhelming complicated |
| 20:28.15 | suppaman | danand_: considered that dpkg accepts a pattern as parameter |
| 20:28.38 | danand_ | sorry did mean -l |
| 20:28.44 | chops | muhah: I would bet that it'll be fixed in the next upgrade, then :-) |
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| 20:29.02 | muhah | \amethyst: is there any way to do that before the next upgrade ? |
| 20:29.12 | muhah | \amethyst: as in manually |
| 20:29.13 | \amethyst | muhah: install the new version of the package |
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| 20:29.24 | \amethyst | muhah: aptitude update; aptitude install console-data |
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| 20:29.49 | suppaman | stew: how exactly ? using just a wildcard aptitude warns me that there is no such package but that following contains its name and then list a few packages I'd like to remove |
| 20:30.06 | \amethyst | suppaman: it want a regex not a wildcard |
| 20:30.09 | stew | suppaman: what exact command did you type? |
| 20:30.13 | muhah | aha |
| 20:30.24 | muhah | its already in the upgrade |
| 20:30.25 | suppaman | stew: sudo aptitude rmeove linux-image-2.6.1* |
| 20:30.25 | \amethyst | oh, aptitude |
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| 20:30.41 | suppaman | remove* |
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| 20:30.57 | \amethyst | suppaman: try sudo aptitude remove '~nlinux-image-2.6.1.*' |
| 20:31.30 | \amethyst | suppaman: that uses an aptitude search pattern to find all packages whose names match the regex linux-image-2.6.1.* |
| 20:31.41 | muhah | whats the keymap im using here ? |
| 20:32.04 | muhah | iso 8859-1 or iso 8859-15 ?/ |
| 20:32.15 | suppaman | muhah: none of them are keymaps |
| 20:32.18 | suppaman | \amethyst: I will thanks |
| 20:32.23 | stew | which is the same as "aptitude remove linux-image-2.6.1" |
| 20:32.31 | suppaman | stew: really? |
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| 20:32.37 | stew | err, no |
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| 20:33.02 | stew | ignore me on that one |
| 20:33.06 | muhah | what is a keymap anyway ? it changes the characters on the keyboard right ? |
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| 20:33.12 | suppaman | stew: in fact I just checked |
| 20:33.25 | kenboo | how to make a good NFS server (which does nothing much other than NFS, LDAP) ? |
| 20:33.31 | stew | though the .* in \amethyst's is probably not needed... |
| 20:33.48 | suppaman | \amethyst: with single quotes and ~n on head? |
| 20:33.51 | \amethyst | yeah, I don't think it is needed |
| 20:34.24 | \amethyst | suppaman: yes, the quotes are to prevent ~ and * from being processed by the shell |
| 20:34.26 | suppaman | muhah: the two things you just referredt two are encodings |
| 20:34.33 | stew | suppaman: single quotes stop you shell from trying to treat ~ like a home directory and * like a glob pattern, and instead pass the whole string to aptitude |
| 20:34.34 | \amethyst | suppaman: double quotes would work, too |
| 20:34.45 | suppaman | damn shell, hungry for expansion |
| 20:34.57 | suppaman | \amethyst: seems to work thx |
| 20:34.57 | stew | (depending on shell and shell options) |
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| 20:35.21 | suppaman | muhah: referred to* |
| 20:35.34 | suppaman | I had like 20 kernel images lying in /boot |
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| 20:35.37 | keyhack | isn't there a program that lets you configure iptable more simply? (Am I making this up?) |
| 20:35.42 | suppaman | lot of them 2.4 |
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| 20:36.54 | Cebot | does the debian netinstall cd uses a vanilla kernel, or a debian patchset kernel? |
| 20:37.05 | stew | Cebot: a debian patched kernel |
| 20:37.06 | xuser | keyhack: tons |
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| 20:37.26 | suppaman | !vanilla |
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| 20:37.26 | dpkg | i guess vanilla is plain | original | canonical | unmodified | ordinary | standard | default |
| 20:37.41 | keyhack | xuser: it's been a long time... I vaguely remember about it. I just want to set up a few simple rules (simple being the keyword) |
| 20:37.47 | suppaman | flavoured |
| 20:37.59 | mrnull | I overwrote my hosts file, and even though I can get online I get an error that "Debian" cannot access the internet. Is there an entry in the hosts file I have to have? |
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| 20:38.15 | pauljr | hey all, I'm getting an error loading missing library libQtOpenGL.so.4 when I already have the libqt4-gui package installed |
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| 20:38.36 | xuser | keyhack: check out shorewall |
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| 20:42.12 | mrnull | Can anyone tell me what their (unmodified) /etc/hosts file says? |
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| 20:42.47 | jim | what's your /etc/hostname have? |
| 20:42.51 | pauljr | it's probably something with my 64bit install, I'll try it on my 32bit install thanks anyways folks |
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| 20:43.42 | mrnull | jim: it's a modified one I have to block ads. i\t's huge |
| 20:44.19 | jim | your /etc/hostname is huge? |
| 20:44.28 | suppaman | I've got a few initrd- images lost in /boot and dpkg -S can't tell me who they belong to |
| 20:44.49 | mrnull | jim: oh.. it's just debian |
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| 20:44.53 | suppaman | I think I can delete them safely but why aren't they recognized ? |
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| 20:45.10 | jim | ok, so your hostname is debian (you could change that) |
| 20:45.13 | megasquid | how would i determine if the disks on my debian box are SATA or SCSI? |
| 20:45.39 | suppaman | megasquid: you could look at dmesg or lspci |
| 20:45.55 | suppaman | or probably in /proc |
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| 20:46.01 | jim | what you can do is put 127.0.0.1 debian |
| 20:46.02 | stew | suppaman: dpkg wouldn't know who owns an initrd becuase an initrd isn't installed by a package, it is generated |
| 20:46.12 | mrnull | jim: thanks |
| 20:47.18 | jim | suppaman: if you look at the stuff after the initrd- in the filename, it should say the kernel version |
| 20:47.34 | jim | like initrd-2.6.something |
| 20:47.52 | twobitsp2ite | why does dh_perl tell me "dh_perl: Compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated." ? |
| 20:48.31 | megasquid | suppaman, which package is lspci a part of? |
| 20:48.47 | jim | because your package is claiming its compatibility level is before 4 probably in debian/control |
| 20:48.55 | fireba11 | twobitsp2ite : ow, that's a nice message :-) |
| 20:49.23 | twobitsp2ite | jim: you mean the Standards-Version line? |
| 20:49.27 | jim | yeah |
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| 20:50.02 | suppaman | stew: that makes sense |
| 20:50.04 | jim | if you change that, you'll also have to read what it means too, so you can alter the package to conform to that standard |
| 20:50.04 | twobitsp2ite | what standards-version does lenny use? I'm on lenny, and the version of debian-policy is 3.7.3.0 |
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| 20:50.24 | stew | twobitsp2ite: no, not Standards-Version, but the dh compatibility. does debian/compat exist? if so, what does it contain? |
| 20:50.26 | suppaman | jim: as I had already uninstalled those kernel images I just deleted initrds |
| 20:50.34 | twobitsp2ite | stew: no, it doesn't |
| 20:50.40 | suppaman | megasquid: I don't know, pcisomething I'd say |
| 20:50.40 | suppaman | ù |
| 20:50.47 | stew | twobitsp2ite: does debian/rules contain "DH_COMPAT"? |
| 20:50.50 | twobitsp2ite | I haven't seen any mention of a compat file in the howto yet |
| 20:50.55 | suppaman | megasquid: pciutils here |
| 20:51.12 | megasquid | suppaman, thanks |
| 20:51.26 | stew | twobitsp2ite: which release is your package going to target? etch? unstable? |
| 20:51.44 | twobitsp2ite | stew: no DH_COMPAT... right now, lenny... |
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| 20:52.02 | stew | twobitsp2ite: echo 6 > debian/compat |
| 20:52.08 | suppaman | just to be sure, should I have a /boot/vmlinuz link ? |
| 20:52.26 | jim | no |
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| 20:52.42 | twobitsp2ite | stew: ok... |
| 20:52.47 | jim | your boot stanzas should each boot one kernel specifically |
| 20:53.10 | stew | twobitsp2ite: "man 7 debhelper" and read the "Debhelper compatibility levels" |
| 20:53.15 | twobitsp2ite | now it complains about not having debian/xcat-client (xcat-client is the name of the package) |
| 20:53.50 | stew | twobitsp2ite: it complains when doing what? |
| 20:53.52 | jim | so you'll have to see what is that standard |
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| 20:54.13 | jim | when building it? |
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| 20:54.39 | twobitsp2ite | stew: er, dh_perl complains |
| 20:54.59 | jim | when you issue what command? |
| 20:55.03 | twobitsp2ite | dh_perl |
| 20:55.04 | twobitsp2ite | :) |
| 20:55.15 | jim | oh ok |
| 20:55.29 | \amethyst | twobitsp2ite: do you have a debian/compat file? |
| 20:55.32 | muhah | lol --> missing x11-dev-stuff, install it. |
| 20:55.33 | suppaman | grub-install takes too long, and there's no option for verbosity |
| 20:55.34 | suppaman | damn |
| 20:55.39 | twobitsp2ite | \amethyst: yes, we just went over that |
| 20:55.40 | twobitsp2ite | :) |
| 20:55.50 | muhah | install the x11-dev-stuff it says ... riight |
| 20:56.07 | gkiagia | can anyone help here? I just upgraded a system from etch to sid and I want to setup ati driver, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg always exits after the emulate 3 buttons question and doesn't allow me to configure the card |
| 20:57.09 | jugglinx | !tell gkiagia about ati one-liner |
| 20:57.11 | twobitsp2ite | gkiagia: nope, no one in here is authorized to help |
| 20:57.15 | stew | twobitsp2ite: which target are you calling it from? |
| 20:57.27 | stew | twobitsp2ite: i believe you'd have to call it after dh_install |
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| 20:57.54 | stew | gkiagia: what happens when you try to run x? |
| 20:57.58 | gkiagia | jugglinx: I did exacly what dpkg says about fglrx one-liner |
| 20:57.59 | jugglinx | gkiagia, i installed in that way before but i also get probs with sid... |
| 20:58.07 | twobitsp2ite | stew: I don't know what you mean by target... but running dh_install doesn't fix it |
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| 20:58.22 | stew | twobitsp2ite: i mean which target in debian/rules is calling dh_perl |
| 20:58.35 | themill | gkiagia: did you upgrade to lenny before trying to install sid packages? |
| 20:58.40 | gkiagia | stew: X now runs in vesa mode but I guess it won't work later because xorg.conf is almost empty now |
| 20:58.55 | stew | gkiagia: xorg.conf should be almost empty |
| 20:59.01 | twobitsp2ite | stew: none... I might be completely misunderstanding the purpose of dh_perl though it seems :) .. I am just running it at the prompt :P |
| 20:59.05 | gkiagia | themill: no, should I? |
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| 20:59.15 | roe_ | I'm not sure how to ask this clearly so bear with me. I wrote a small log analyzer script, and I would like to trigger the script either right before logrotate rotates out the log, or right after and have it run on foo.log.0, is there any way to do this? |
| 20:59.39 | melani9 | www.HOTTIES4FREE.tk the best site for hotties and brunettis |
| 20:59.39 | stew | twobitsp2ite: its not something you would run from the prompt, it is something that would be run from debian/rules |
| 20:59.40 | melani9 | www.HOTTIES4FREE.tk the best site for hotties and brunettis |
| 20:59.42 | melani9 | www.HOTTIES4FREE.tk the best site for hotties and brunettis |
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| 20:59.44 | suppaman | damn bastard |
| 20:59.57 | muhah | why do people need python anyway why cant they use C like NORMAL people |
| 20:59.58 | themill | gkiagia: yes. You now have an etch/sid mix and that is most definitely unsupported. At best, a lenny/sid mix is supported. Note that it is essentially impossible to actually have a "sid" install. |
| 21:00.02 | gkiagia | stew: at the moment there is only the keyboard layout section. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only adds this |
| 21:00.03 | twobitsp2ite | stew: ok... I was just hoping to see how well it did at determining perl depends |
| 21:00.11 | stew | gkiagia: sounds correct |
| 21:00.12 | azeem | muhah: please keep it on topic |
| 21:00.14 | suppaman | muhah: C is ugly in many ways |
| 21:00.20 | twobitsp2ite | muhah: bah... C is for wimps, use ASM |
| 21:00.30 | muhah | twobitsp2ite: lol |
| 21:00.33 | gkiagia | stew: how is that correct? |
| 21:00.47 | suppaman | woa, grub is taking 99% cpu time |
| 21:01.08 | stew | gkiagia: if you need to overide the default hardware detection, you can add more stuff, but the x server in sid should auto-detect most everything now, including the best suited driver |
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| 21:02.05 | jim | muhah: depends on what you're doing... if you don't need access to machine resources then what's wrong with perl/tcl/python/scheme/whatever? |
| 21:02.06 | gkiagia | I see... so you say this xorg.conf may work right? |
| 21:02.27 | muhah | pukes |
| 21:02.39 | muhah | dont say that jim |
| 21:02.49 | stew | gkiagia: http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/40620.html |
| 21:02.51 | jim | how long does it take you to code something in C versus a scripting language? |
| 21:03.29 | muhah | jim: we have sh and its ancestors for that |
| 21:03.35 | jim | if a project gets large, you could be looking at a day-long compile |
| 21:03.47 | gkiagia | stew: thanks for the info |
| 21:03.52 | suppaman | jim and edit/compile/run cycle is pita when doing a lot of small tuning |
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| 21:04.18 | muhah | acestors/derivates |
| 21:04.31 | jim | and sh has pretty good features, that's true... but can you read it easily? |
| 21:04.44 | mrnull | all my battery monitors are reading 0.. am i missing a driver? |
| 21:04.45 | jim | and how important is being able to read it anyway? |
| 21:04.54 | azeem | jim, muhah, suppaman: take this elsewhere |
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| 21:06.36 | suppaman | I'll just drop it |
| 21:06.41 | shib | drops it |
| 21:06.46 | shib | like it's hawwwwt |
| 21:06.47 | twobitsp2ite | catches it |
| 21:07.11 | suppaman | I'd kick this damn computer in the nuts if it were a man |
| 21:07.26 | suppaman | or if it had a PCI Nuts Card |
| 21:08.09 | suppaman | I should buy one, plug it in and then kick |
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| 21:09.35 | Glanzmann | Where can I get a grub-pc for Debian Etch (i386 _not_ amd64) |
| 21:09.50 | suppaman | grub-pc? |
| 21:10.04 | Glanzmann | A grub that can handle my 2.5 TeraByte disk |
| 21:10.29 | Glanzmann | suppaman: With disks bigger than 2 TeraByte you can't use a regular grub |
| 21:10.41 | jim | if you can put all of it somewhere within the first 1024 cyls, there's no issue |
| 21:10.47 | Glanzmann | So you need a grub that can handle a gpt partition table. |
| 21:10.59 | abrotman | Glanzmann: partition the drive? or it's a physical drive issue? |
| 21:11.14 | Glanzmann | drive of course |
| 21:11.20 | suppaman | Glanzmann: I'm a normal person, I don't have such a disk |
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| 21:11.32 | chops | Glanzmann: aptitude install grub-pc? |
| 21:11.43 | Glanzmann | chops: debian etch |
| 21:11.44 | mrnull | Why does my battery meter always reader zero? |
| 21:11.45 | Glanzmann | aka stable |
| 21:11.46 | themill | Glanzmann: your toys are too shiny... :) |
| 21:11.49 | chops | Glanzmann: backports |
| 21:11.56 | abrotman | Glanzmann: backports.org ... /msg dpkg bpo .. follow the instructions |
| 21:11.58 | suppaman | wth 2Tb |
| 21:12.01 | Glanzmann | chops: Only a _amd64_ version: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/admin/grub-pc |
| 21:12.02 | themill | Glanzmann: is a backport feasible? /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 21:12.14 | suppaman | how much pr0n could it possibly contain? |
| 21:12.15 | Glanzmann | Yes it is, as long as it matches my architecture. |
| 21:12.17 | themill | abrotman: no backport |
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| 21:12.24 | abrotman | themill: DIE! |
| 21:12.35 | abrotman | themill: where's my freaking podcast? :) |
| 21:12.39 | themill | of? |
| 21:12.50 | abrotman | the sound of silence! |
| 21:12.56 | abrotman | Glanzmann: /msg dpkg ssb .. build it yourself |
| 21:13.12 | themill | abrotman: cat /dev/zero > /dev/dsp |
| 21:13.23 | Glanzmann | abrotman: Guess, what I just did. |
| 21:13.25 | Glanzmann | twice. |
| 21:13.29 | keith4 | screw that. put /boot on a flash device or something |
| 21:13.29 | stew | mrnull: is the 'battery' kernel module loaded? |
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| 21:13.49 | abrotman | Glanzmann: burped? |
| 21:13.49 | Glanzmann | And I always get an error that grub-pc depends on base-files >= 4.0.1~bpo40+1 |
| 21:13.56 | abrotman | oh |
| 21:14.04 | Glanzmann | abrotman: Nope, it wen't fine but does not install on debian etch. |
| 21:14.07 | abrotman | Glanzmann: it wants base-files amd64 also ? |
| 21:14.08 | suppaman | noone catched my humour.. |
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| 21:14.09 | stew | Glanzmann: you get that error running what command? |
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| 21:14.18 | Glanzmann | dpkg -i |
| 21:14.21 | tiago | hey there |
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| 21:14.40 | tiago | where can I look up deb packages (besides apt search) |
| 21:15.01 | suppaman | !pdo |
| 21:15.02 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 21:15.05 | stew | tiago: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:15.13 | tiago | ty sppaman |
| 21:15.14 | stew | Glanzmann: did you add backports.org to your sources.list? |
| 21:15.45 | Glanzmann | Nope, but there is no grub-pc package for my architecture so I don't get the point of adding it to my sources.list. |
| 21:16.05 | chops | Glanzmann: I would try the simple sid backport if I were you |
| 21:16.09 | tiago | what about pgp keys? where can I get them for debian-multimedia? |
| 21:16.11 | themill | Glanzmann: so what have you tried? |
| 21:16.21 | suppaman | lol 20 minutes of grub and still working on it |
| 21:16.28 | stew | Glanzmann: what was the command you ran that gave you the error "grub-pc depends on base-files >= 4.0.1~bpo40+1" ? |
| 21:16.30 | themill | !tell tiago about dmme |
| 21:16.46 | tiago | ty themill |
| 21:16.50 | Glanzmann | stew: dpkg -i grub-pc_1.96+20080210-1~bpo40+1_i386.deb |
| 21:17.06 | stew | Glanzmann: what architecture are you on? |
| 21:17.09 | Glanzmann | i386 |
| 21:17.21 | themill | Glanzmann: and wtf is that package from? |
| 21:17.26 | Glanzmann | I build it myself |
| 21:17.32 | stew | Glanzmann: what makes you say that no grub-pc package for your architecture exists then? |
| 21:18.13 | themill | Glanzmann: from what did you build it? Please start providing information without us having to ask for it several times. |
| 21:18.29 | stew | Glanzmann: you can install the required base-files from bpo: follow the instructions at backports.org and then run "aptitude -f install" to satisfy the dependency |
| 21:18.29 | Glanzmann | stew: Looking at this website: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/grub-pc |
| 21:18.49 | \amethyst | Glanzmann: if you're going to use grub-pc from backports, you'll need base-files from backports, too. Do what stew says |
| 21:18.49 | Glanzmann | stew: I give it a try. |
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| 21:21.44 | chops | Glanzmann: Bear in mind that there may well be odd problems which prevent it from just work(tm)ing... that's one easy explanation for why there's no i386 package in backports. |
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| 21:23.57 | Glanzmann | If everything else fails, I am going to boot from an USB stick. |
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| 21:30.16 | wald0 | gkrellm is on version 2.3.1-1+b1, what is the "+b1" for ? |
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| 21:31.07 | stew | wald0: it was 'binNMUd' at some point, meaning that it was recompiled to pick up new library dependencies sometime after the 2.3.1-1 source was uploaded (but no source was changed) |
| 21:32.22 | wald0 | stew: maybe this is why i got the version 2.3.1 when i apt-get source it, instead of the +b1 |
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| 21:33.12 | adv | i selected no in the package survey participation but it installed it. |
| 21:33.14 | adv | wtf. |
| 21:34.20 | themill | adv: which installer? What's the setting in /etc/popularity-contents.conf? Have you checked the bts? |
| 21:34.43 | \amethyst | adv: does /etc/popularity-contest.conf say PARTICIPATE="no" ? |
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| 21:35.03 | stew | wald0: whenever the version number of a debian package contains a '-', everything after the last - is the "debian revision". and everything before is the "upstream" version, meaning the version that debian downloaded from somehwere else. whenver you get the source of a package the version is going to reflect the upstream version |
| 21:35.14 | adv | i don't even have it |
| 21:35.15 | adv | ok |
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| 21:36.13 | \amethyst | wald0: the orig.tar.gz will have just the upstream part, while the .diff.gz should have both parts (though without the +b1 since binNMUs don't involve new source) |
| 21:36.55 | PiousMinion | Can someone reccomend a light filemanager that also supports smb/cifs shares? |
| 21:37.24 | wald0 | well, at least "dpkg-buildpackage" don't put the new version-number |
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| 21:38.05 | wald0 | an automatic building by dependency of a lib with reversioning of the same source ? mmh.. has sense |
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| 21:38.55 | extor | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260228528808 <-- anyone wanna bid $125 just for kicks? You probably won't win... |
| 21:39.02 | adv | i lost connectivity while downloading a pkg. is that ok? |
| 21:39.09 | adv | should i reissue the command? |
| 21:40.33 | Blast_Hardcheese | extor: Anyone who bid on that now would be guaranteed not to win |
| 21:40.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | since the auction is closed |
| 21:40.46 | extor | ok it just closed a few seconds ago |
| 21:40.54 | Blast_Hardcheese | heh |
| 21:40.58 | Blast_Hardcheese | Were you selling? |
| 21:41.21 | themill | A non-functional laptop? Thanks, but no thanks. |
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| 21:42.42 | extor | no just posted it as a joke |
| 21:44.04 | stew | adv: yes, reissue the command. it will pick up where it left off |
| 21:44.43 | stew | extor: please keep it on-topic |
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| 21:47.59 | jair | I have a laptop t61p IBM/Lenovo. It support 64bit VT technology, is there a kernel 64bit I guess I should use the linux netinst 64bit instead x86? |
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| 21:50.28 | \amethyst | jair: do you want to use flash, java plugins, or other proprietary software? |
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| 21:53.47 | jair | \amethyst: not really |
| 21:53.59 | \amethyst | jair: then amd64 should be fine |
| 21:54.15 | \amethyst | jair: note: *not* ia64, that's for Itanium |
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| 21:54.17 | jair | \amethyst: all I need to use is: vmware workstation 64bit, and the virtual machine on 64bit |
| 21:54.37 | jair | \amethyst: but my machine is Intel VT |
| 21:54.37 | \amethyst | jair: that's okay |
| 21:54.48 | jair | I though that AMD64 was just for amd |
| 21:54.49 | \amethyst | jair: amd64 is used for both the AMD and Intel versions |
| 21:54.55 | jair | got it |
| 21:54.59 | \amethyst | jair: just like i386 is used for both Intel and AMD |
| 21:55.00 | jair | I will try that then |
| 21:55.04 | jair | I see |
| 21:55.13 | \amethyst | I don't know about the vmware stuff, though |
| 21:55.13 | jair | I will try that then, thank you for the information |
| 21:55.25 | jair | there is a version of vmware workstation for 64bit |
| 21:55.37 | jair | if I have a OS running on 64bit it should work |
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| 21:55.52 | jair | I will test and let you know if you are still around |
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| 21:56.00 | jair | I will go get the netinst for amd64 |
| 21:56.06 | jair | I will catch you later |
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| 22:00.13 | academy | I've always had a problem with my virgin media 20mbit connection. If I use the proxy on my gateway, I get 2.2MB/s whereas if I connect directly and have the gateway nat and route the traffic to me, I get around 400kb/s. The gateway should cope: Pentium D 3.4GHz, 2GB RAM, Raid 1 SATA2. Any ideas as to why this is? |
| 22:00.44 | \amethyst | academy: tested with HTTP? |
| 22:00.52 | academy | I get this problem in two houses, one using firehol and another using shorewall. I've also tried writing a simple iptables config, but I get the same issue. |
| 22:01.00 | academy | \amethyst, both are HTTP. |
| 22:01.14 | academy | \amethyst, The proxy runs on my gateway |
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| 22:02.30 | jeffwheeler | I realized yesterday that rsnapshot creates the connection from the backup server to the client machines, but I didn't realize that this won't work for me with my current setup. |
| 22:03.01 | jeffwheeler | Currently, my backup server is outside of a NAT wall from a simple router, so the machines inside aren't addressable from outside. |
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| 22:03.40 | jeffwheeler | Is the only solution some sort of IPv6 thing (I don't know much about this), because it doesn't use NAT? Or is there something else I don't know about. |
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| 22:04.08 | academy | \amethyst, it seems to be the routing or nat. If I ssh into the gw and wget directly, it works fine. |
| 22:05.03 | Agiofws | is there a ready distro or app for loadbalancing ? |
| 22:05.03 | jeffwheeler | My setup is something like this: I have one external router which is directly connected to the modem, and then the backup server (an old Mini) and another similar wireless router are hard-wired to that; the second router has all the other machines connected. |
| 22:06.54 | jeffwheeler | VPN'ing also seems possible, but that's just silly, right? |
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| 22:06.57 | wald0 | my terminal is black, and i see the directories in a dark-blue tone, so its hard to read... also the comments in the codes with VIM, any idea where i change the tone of this dark-blue colour of my terminal ? |
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| 22:07.37 | zinx | wald0: which terminal? |
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| 22:08.16 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: can't you move the backup server inside the DMZ? |
| 22:08.36 | dcnoye | what does "if hash invoke-rc.d; " do ? |
| 22:08.50 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: you mean move the backup server into the internal router? I could, but it's somewhat inconvenient. I'd rather find a software solution if possible. |
| 22:08.55 | \amethyst | err, I guess that would be out of the DMZ, into the NATted network |
| 22:09.04 | wald0 | zinx: urxvt |
| 22:09.11 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: a VPN wouldn't be a terrible solution, then |
| 22:09.23 | wald0 | zinx: but i have the same problem with all terminals, seems like that is the "colors theme" (tones) of the system |
| 22:09.40 | zinx | wald0: ~/.Xresources |
| 22:09.46 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: hmm, okay; I haven't used VPN much; that just seemed like a wonky solution |
| 22:09.48 | zinx | wald0: no, it's not a system theme |
| 22:10.01 | zinx | wald0: it's a standard set of colors used by all terms, and configurable in a different way in all of them |
| 22:10.05 | Tramp | wald0: are you talking about the colored output of ls? |
| 22:10.25 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: alternatively, would trying IPv6 possibly fix it too? I'm interested in playing with that, too. |
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| 22:10.45 | zinx | wald0: 'man urxvt' has the lines to put in ~/.Xresources, i think you want 'color4: #0000aa' or something |
| 22:10.56 | wald0 | Tramp: yes, or vim... anything has the same blue tone hard to read in my black-bg terminal |
| 22:11.03 | wald0 | zinx: thx, let me see... |
| 22:11.15 | wald0 | zinx: you mean .Xdefaults or .Xresources ? |
| 22:11.16 | zinx | well, *rxvt*.color4: #0000aa |
| 22:11.21 | zinx | wald0: ~/.Xresources |
| 22:11.26 | \amethyst | jeffwheeler: I guess; I don't know ipv6 well |
| 22:11.27 | wald0 | ok |
| 22:11.30 | roe_ | I need help settling an argument, assume you are running etch, and you want to upgrade a package, the version you want exists in both the unstable repos and the backport repo, which repo should you install from |
| 22:11.37 | jeffwheeler | \amethyst: okay, thanks |
| 22:11.38 | zinx | you will need to run xrdb -merge < ~/.Xresources or such after changing stuff there, and restart urxvt |
| 22:11.39 | \amethyst | roe_: backports |
| 22:11.43 | roe_ | why |
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| 22:12.04 | zinx | wald0: i don't know if it uses XTerm*color4 or urxvt*color4, XTerm*color4 is used by most |
| 22:12.04 | academy | jeffwheeler, if the backup server is on a seperate subnet and you can route from one to another. As long as you allow connections on appropriate ports from your bkp server to your lan pcs, it should work. |
| 22:12.12 | \amethyst | roe_: because the version from backports is designed to run on etch---its dependencies are all available from either etch or etch-backports |
| 22:12.27 | jeffwheeler | academy: you mean using port forwarding? |
| 22:12.33 | Tramp | wald0: well mabe it is, what zinx says. If not, check man dircolors. The coloring of vim is something different though. Every app colouring stuff has their own config. |
| 22:12.35 | roe_ | but if the same version exists in unstable isn't the same true |
| 22:12.36 | academy | jeffwheeler, sorry, my grammar ended up wrong but it should make sense |
| 22:12.39 | zinx | wald0: you can change the other colors a similar way - the manpage has a list of what they are |
| 22:12.45 | \amethyst | roe_: it won't be the same version |
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| 22:13.00 | zinx | wald0: terms like gnome-terminal and konsole have a GUI config for the colors :/ |
| 22:13.15 | \amethyst | roe_: backports always have ~bpo in the name |
| 22:13.21 | \amethyst | s/name/debian version/ |
| 22:13.39 | zinx | wald0: but generally they default to a semi-standard set of colors.. that's why they all have the same colors by default, not because they're using the same config |
| 22:13.56 | jeffwheeler | Heh, I don't even know if my router _supports_ using IPv6; I know it works with VPN, so I might just do that. |
| 22:14.04 | roe_ | for the record, I agree with you, but the package I am arguing with someone is spamassassin |
| 22:14.07 | \amethyst | roe_: an unstable package, for example, might depend on the libc6 2.7 (from unstable). A backports package won't |
| 22:14.14 | zinx | wald0: i will also note that if that blue is too dark for you to read, and you don't have general trouble seeing the color blue, your monitor's brightness may need turned up |
| 22:14.16 | wald0 | ok |
| 22:14.37 | academy | jeffwheeler, no lets say your lan is 192.168.1.0/24 and your bkp server is 192.168.0.1/32. If your outside router is the default router for for the internal one and the outside one can route into the lan (which it can), you should just be able to route traffic from one subnet to the other if you open the ports on the fw. |
| 22:14.43 | wald0 | zinx: no.. its a problem that my terminal is black and this tone of blue is too dark |
| 22:15.04 | zinx | wald0: yes, and it shouldn't be.. it's a dark color, but not that dark |
| 22:15.17 | zinx | wald0: it should be roughly the same brightness as the darker red |
| 22:15.17 | suppaman | what is grub notation? |
| 22:15.49 | wald0 | zinx: i can read the red one a lot better than this blue |
| 22:15.53 | wald0 | is not daltonic :)( |
| 22:15.55 | suppaman | I can't find anything in man 8 grub and using the grub console says that "(hd0 disk does not exist" when I try to tab complete it |
| 22:15.56 | academy | jeffwheeler, so: outside router is default gw for bkp server, outside router has a static route for lan subnet via inside router |
| 22:15.58 | zinx | wald0: echo -e '\033[31mthis is red \033[34mthis is blue' |
| 22:16.15 | academy | jeffwheeler: inside router has outside router as default gw |
| 22:16.21 | zinx | wald0: you may consider changing ls to use bright blue too.. i think it does use bright blue by default on Debian systems |
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| 22:16.34 | themill | roe_: the names of packages can be different in etch and sid too, making the dependencies different. |
| 22:16.38 | academy | jeffwheeler, as long as you open the appropriate ports, the bkp server can just connect to the lan pcs |
| 22:16.38 | jeffwheeler | academy: hmm, let me play with what you said for a second |
| 22:16.43 | zinx | wald0: echo -e '\033[1;34mthis is bright blue' |
| 22:16.54 | zinx | wald0: if you can't see the bright blue one, something's definitely wrong with your monitor |
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| 22:18.10 | adama | etch = unstable? |
| 22:18.12 | academy | jeffwheeler, ask if what I said doesn't make sense, but as long as both networks are secure vpn seems like overkill |
| 22:18.19 | wald0 | zinx: no, i see it too much darkest here |
| 22:18.35 | wald0 | zinx: and i have see it hard to read in all the monitors that i was used lol |
| 22:18.37 | jeffwheeler | academy: I'm just going through what you've said and trying to emulate it on my system; give me a few minutes |
| 22:18.49 | themill | roe_: In particular, there are differences in spamassassin's logcheck setup for the backports package. |
| 22:18.56 | suppaman | adama: not really |
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| 22:19.07 | jo4 | Hi, i'm have this network setup http://pastebin.com/d3f39a368 and it works from eth1 to eth0, but i only get about 1.5MB/s the other way. Any ideas? got the server right here |
| 22:19.15 | zinx | wald0: is the bright blue any different from the dark blue? |
| 22:19.28 | stew | adama: no, etch is stable, sid is unstable |
| 22:19.42 | zinx | wald0: echo -e '\033[0;34mdark \033[1mbright' |
| 22:19.42 | wald0 | a bit different zinx, not much |
| 22:19.58 | zinx | wald0: you should definitely be able to see the bright one |
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| 22:20.09 | wald0 | zinx: i see it, of course, but a bit hard |
| 22:20.11 | adama | suppaman, stew: so what will it do if I have etch/unstable on some lines in sources.list? |
| 22:20.12 | wald0 | to read* |
| 22:20.15 | zinx | wald0: unless bold colors have been turned to make the font overstrike rather than be brighter |
| 22:20.22 | academy | jeffwheeler, ok. In theory all you need to do is open ports. All the routing should already be in place. |
| 22:20.26 | zinx | wald0: i don't think that's default though, i think that's something you have to select specificly |
| 22:20.35 | wald0 | zinx: anyways, thx, i have see the parameter to change the colours of the terminal like you tell me |
| 22:20.49 | stew | adama: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:21.05 | foobar8 | wald0: i don't like the default colors either (especially the blue) - and change the colors via .Xresources as zinx already suggested (in fact I use /etc/X11/Xresources/Xterm-color) |
| 22:21.13 | themill | adama: Can you also pastebin your sources.list. |
| 22:21.32 | jeffwheeler | academy: when you say "open the ports", you don't mean "forward the ports", do you? I'm trying to make it so that any machine in the subnet should be accessible using it's assigned IP in the inner, even from the outer network; not using the router's IP with a specific port; I think you know that, though. |
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| 22:21.44 | zinx | i change them as well, but I set them to VGA colors ;) |
| 22:21.47 | jo4 | Nah, nvm, this needs to be put on a forum ;D |
| 22:21.49 | foobar8 | wald0: though I use: *VT100*color4: blue2 |
| 22:21.52 | zinx | (which i think are actually darker) |
| 22:22.38 | academy | jeffwheeler, yes: I mean open the ports, e.g. iptables -A INPUT -j ACCEPT --dst-port <rsync_port> (or whatever the syntax is, I forget). |
| 22:22.42 | foobar8 | wald: unfortunately apps like aptitude may look ugly then |
| 22:23.02 | jeffwheeler | academy: woah; the routers aren't Linux; they're plain NETGEAR routers |
| 22:23.23 | jeffwheeler | academy: no fancy firewalls; just the internal NAT |
| 22:23.40 | adama | stew: themill: http://pastebin.ca/986619 |
| 22:23.54 | foobar8 | wald0: the then lighter blue on yellow is especially nice |
| 22:23.56 | academy | jeffwheeler, sorry - that doesn't matter. Your outside router will already route lan traffic via the inside router (because that's what happens when you download something) |
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| 22:24.12 | adama | stew: themill: hmmm apparently those lines were commented out |
| 22:24.16 | academy | jeffwheeler: and your internal router will have the external router as the default gw |
| 22:24.18 | zinx | VGA: #000000 #aa0000 #00aa00 #aa5500 #0000aa #aa00aa #00aaaa #aaaaaa #555555 #ff5555 #55ff55 #ffff55 #5555ff #ff55ff #55ffff #ffffff |
| 22:24.20 | stew | adama: there is nothing about etch or stable in there. you are simply running unstable |
| 22:24.38 | themill | or a mix of etch and unstable.... |
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| 22:24.46 | PinkFreud | hmmm. is it just me, or is the sudo 1.6.9p6-1 package broken? |
| 22:24.50 | foobar8 | wald0: another thing you might wish to try is using xterm-256color (at least if you use emacs in a terminal a lot) |
| 22:24.54 | stew | PinkFreud: /msg dpkg bts |
| 22:24.57 | jeffwheeler | academy: yeah, but when I download something traffic is being requested by the internal-most machine first; in this case, the outside is making a connection inwards |
| 22:25.07 | themill | PinkFreud: where did you get that package from? |
| 22:25.09 | suppaman | adama: you will end installing unstable package, I'd say |
| 22:25.11 | wald0 | foobar8: urxvt supports a lot of colours :) i just need to configure them |
| 22:25.16 | jeffwheeler | academy: the external gateway for the internal router is already 192.168.0.1 (the external router) |
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| 22:25.24 | adama | ok good enough, thanks |
| 22:25.31 | PinkFreud | themill: er, a debian mirror? |
| 22:25.49 | academy | jeffwheeler, do you have a firewall at any point |
| 22:25.51 | academy | ? |
| 22:25.54 | foobar8 | wald0: xterm-color256 means 256 out of x at one time |
| 22:25.56 | themill | PinkFreud: not recently. What version of debian are you running? |
| 22:26.09 | peleg | do you know of a simple software that edits properly audio attributes of mp3 and ogg files? |
| 22:26.16 | jeffwheeler | jeffwheeler: no; nothing beyond the NAT (unless there's something small running on the NETGEAR machine) |
| 22:26.24 | jeffwheeler | err, academy ;) |
| 22:26.24 | PinkFreud | heh. mix of lenny/sid |
| 22:26.28 | stew | PinkFreud: that version was replaced many months ago, perhaps you should try a more current version |
| 22:26.31 | ma3x | what's a good identd? |
| 22:26.34 | peleg | I am trying to do so via to listening software, such as Listen or Rythembox, but it's not always working. |
| 22:26.38 | PinkFreud | ahh. I'll try upgrading it, then |
| 22:26.38 | ma3x | package for the daemon |
| 22:26.43 | themill | PinkFreud: That package hasn't been in sid since December last year. |
| 22:26.47 | suppaman | 'night |
| 22:26.59 | PinkFreud | themill: sounds about when I last installed it. |
| 22:27.29 | PinkFreud | 1.6.9p15-1 sound right? |
| 22:27.44 | themill | PinkFreud: yep, that's in both lenny and sid atm. |
| 22:28.01 | PinkFreud | ponders |
| 22:28.02 | pinto3 | i'd probably use the oidentd one for good it's probably openbsd |
| 22:28.03 | PinkFreud | still not working |
| 22:28.18 | themill | !not working |
| 22:28.19 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 22:28.28 | PinkFreud | heh, yeah, I know |
| 22:28.40 | PinkFreud | just checking something quickly before I went into more detail |
| 22:29.06 | PinkFreud | I *can* authenticate via sudo - but the NOPASSWD: prefix is apparently being ignored for some unknown reason. |
| 22:29.35 | PinkFreud | for instance, I have the following line in sudoers: |
| 22:29.36 | PinkFreud | %kvm ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/tunctl, /etc/kvm/kvm-ifup |
| 22:29.57 | PinkFreud | yet, members of the kvm group cannot run /usr/sbin/tunctl without being prompted for a password. |
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| 22:31.29 | PinkFreud | come to think of it, they can't run /etc/kvm/kvm-ifup without being prompted, either. |
| 22:31.44 | PinkFreud | so sudo is happily ignoring the NOPASSWD prefix. |
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| 22:33.49 | themill | PinkFreud: what does sudo -l have to say? |
| 22:34.08 | PinkFreud | User sauron may run the following commands on this host: |
| 22:34.08 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.08 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.08 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:34.17 | PinkFreud | heh. |
| 22:34.23 | themill | !tell PinkFreud about paste |
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| 22:34.40 | PinkFreud | I wasn't expecting to be kicked for a 3 line paste. |
| 22:34.41 | PinkFreud | heh. |
| 22:34.54 | Nyle | hola boys and girls |
| 22:35.00 | themill | PinkFreud: except that was 4 ;) |
| 22:35.01 | roe_ | themill, where did you find the differences? I want to point it out to another person |
| 22:35.01 | Nyle | it is I |
| 22:35.07 | rrbox | 3 lines ain't much when there ain't much chat'n going on |
| 22:35.15 | Nyle | bot kicks after 3 |
| 22:35.19 | PinkFreud | you're right. 4. |
| 22:35.19 | Nyle | not at 3 |
| 22:35.40 | PinkFreud | themill: so sudo -l says I can run those commands without authentication |
| 22:35.45 | themill | roe_: have a look at the /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/changelog.Debian.gz (btw the package is also in etch-volatile) |
| 22:35.52 | themill | PinkFreud: indeed it does. |
| 22:35.53 | PinkFreud | unfortunately, sudo begs to differ with itself on that. |
| 22:36.07 | Nyle | it doesn't beg.. it just differs |
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| 22:36.16 | Nyle | slight self contradiction |
| 22:36.17 | Pyro | hey guys, when I'm using aptitude sometimes packages have a {a} next to the name, what does that {a} mean? |
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| 22:36.19 | PinkFreud | so either I have a version of sudo which suffers from multiple personality disorder, or it's broken. :P |
| 22:36.23 | themill | PinkFreud: do other NOPASSWD lines work? Ones that are specifically for your user |
| 22:36.35 | Nyle | Pyro, automatically installed? |
| 22:36.39 | PinkFreud | that's the only NOPASSWD line I have in there, but I'll add one explicitly for my user. |
| 22:36.40 | Nyle | -? |
| 22:36.48 | Pyro | oh, that could be |
| 22:36.54 | Nyle | that it is |
| 22:37.02 | Pyro | thanks |
| 22:37.07 | Nyle | man aptitude maybe? |
| 22:37.15 | Nyle | or aptitude howto |
| 22:37.29 | Pyro | it's not in the man page |
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| 22:38.08 | PinkFreud | themill: yep, NOPASSWD: works for user entries. |
| 22:38.14 | themill | :( |
| 22:38.20 | PinkFreud | apparently, it's just group entries that it fails on. |
| 22:38.35 | PinkFreud | time to file a bug? |
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| 22:38.46 | \amethyst | PinkFreud: it's because you have that (ALL) ALL at the end |
| 22:38.47 | dokma | hi guys |
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| 22:39.05 | dokma | what's the best way to deduce which kernel config option generates some given driver? |
| 22:39.14 | PinkFreud | \amethyst: hmmm, the individual sudo line? |
| 22:39.18 | \amethyst | PinkFreud: if you move it before the more specific entries, it works |
| 22:39.20 | \amethyst | PinkFreud: yes |
| 22:39.24 | dokma | or a module however you prefer it |
| 22:39.35 | stew | PinkFreud: does "groups" list kvm when you run it in the shell you are running sudo in? |
| 22:39.39 | PinkFreud | I figured sudo would do it in order. |
| 22:39.41 | PinkFreud | stew: yep |
| 22:39.54 | \amethyst | PinkFreud: from man sudoers: Where there are multiple matches, the last match is used (which is not necessarily the most specific match). |
| 22:40.07 | dokma | stew: you know it for sure |
| 22:40.07 | \amethyst | PinkFreud: so it does it in order, but it takes the last one that matched, not the first one |
| 22:40.18 | PinkFreud | \amethyst: missed that |
| 22:40.28 | stew | dokma: what? |
| 22:40.31 | PinkFreud | and you're right - swapping the order of those two lines DID fix it. |
| 22:40.38 | themill | PinkFreud: don't worry... the sudoers syntax is a pig. |
| 22:40.46 | dokma | module name -> kernel config option how to connect ? |
| 22:40.55 | PinkFreud | \amethyst: just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something before filing a bug. Thanks. :) |
| 22:41.05 | stew | dokma: by looking at the makefiles |
| 22:41.09 | \amethyst | themill: it's not that the syntax is bad, but the manpage does a horrible job of describing it |
| 22:41.17 | dokma | ahhh... smart |
| 22:41.21 | PinkFreud | themill: yeah, it is. I've been using it for years, and I still come across the occasional issue - like now. :P |
| 22:41.26 | dokma | let me see if I can manage it |
| 22:41.34 | themill | \amethyst: if the syntax needs that much explanation, then it's probably bad syntax... |
| 22:41.38 | PinkFreud | \amethyst: it doesn't help that it's complex as all hell. |
| 22:41.43 | \amethyst | heh |
| 22:42.04 | themill | !win \amethyst |
| 22:42.05 | dpkg | Congratulations, \amethyst! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 22:42.12 | PinkFreud | anyway, thank you both, themill and \amethyst |
| 22:42.18 | Nyle | a? |
| 22:42.29 | themill | PinkFreud: no worries. |
| 22:42.40 | Nyle | I can't find information myself on the {a} appended by aptitude in certain packages |
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| 22:43.06 | \amethyst | Nyle: it means it has been automatically selected |
| 22:43.08 | Nyle | where is this fully or more thoroughly explained |
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| 22:43.15 | Nyle | \amethyst, how do you know that? |
| 22:43.45 | PinkFreud | now, convincing qemu to boot an opensolaris dvd image... that's another matter. :P |
| 22:43.49 | PinkFreud | kicks qemu |
| 22:43.51 | Nyle | \amethyst, I knew that like you, just by being here, in the channel, but where this information actually is, I can't find it |
| 22:43.58 | Nyle | it isn't contained within the aptitude manpage |
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| 22:44.41 | Nyle | and elsewhere on googlimoogli |
| 22:45.02 | PinkFreud | oh. |
| 22:45.07 | PinkFreud | kicks the dvd image instead. |
| 22:45.46 | Nyle | I am myself looking, but if anyone else is too, feel free to hilight me if you get anything |
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| 22:47.18 | mbent-work | hi, sorry, i might be asking a silly question but Im not sure of the state of unstable. It appears that there are alot of broken packages on my system. What is happening with gcc-2.4.6-7 , apparently it needs libg2c0. Is this a nessesary library? |
| 22:47.51 | mbent-work | alot of packages want to be removed and a few dependancy problems |
| 22:48.25 | \amethyst | Nyle: yeah, I don't see anything about it in the HTML documentation either |
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| 22:48.51 | wald0 | zinx: im configuring my urxvt colors, but how to know what is the original color for every URxvt.colorXX value ? |
| 22:49.22 | zinx | wald0: it's in the man page |
| 22:49.56 | themill | mbent-work: gcc-2.4.6-7? Surely you don't mean that version... |
| 22:50.05 | stew | mbent-work: gcc-2.4.6-7? are you saying 2.4.6-7 version of the gcc package? or a package named gcc-2.4.6 ? neither is in debian |
| 22:50.28 | mbent-work | sorry, 3.4.6-7 |
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| 22:50.42 | stew | mbent-work: what is the package name you are asking about? |
| 22:50.51 | themill | mbent-work: that's still a version of gcc that is quite ancient. |
| 22:51.10 | stew | he must mean gcc-3.4 version 3.4.6-7 |
| 22:51.10 | mbent-work | well, on my system its talking about that version |
| 22:51.13 | zinx | would imagine "gcc-3.4" |
| 22:51.34 | themill | One hopes! |
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| 22:52.02 | stew | !depends gcc-3.4 unstable |
| 22:52.04 | dpkg | gcc-3.4: depends on binutils (>= 2.16.1-3), cpp-3.4 (= 3.4.6-7), gcc-3.4-base (= 3.4.6-7), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.4.6-7) |
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| 22:52.30 | mbent-work | joining debian flood |
| 22:52.41 | stew | mbent-work: no, it doesn't appear to depend on libg2c0 |
| 22:52.50 | stew | mbent-work: please just use a pastebin |
| 22:53.16 | stew | if by 'joining debian flood' you mean that you are going to paste a bunch of stuff to #flood or something |
| 22:54.05 | mbent-work | stew: http://rafb.net/p/9IkUHA33.html |
| 22:54.11 | adama | um what is the program ppl generally use to burn music CDs with gnome? |
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| 22:55.19 | stew | mbent-work: ahh. ok, so libg2c0 depends on a version of gcc-3.4 no longer in unstable |
| 22:55.27 | \amethyst | mbent-work: libg2c0 has been removed from unstable |
| 22:56.04 | \amethyst | mbent-work: as have the 3.4 versions of g++, g77, and gpc |
| 22:56.06 | stew | \amethyst: are you sure? where did you find that? |
| 22:56.06 | rrbox | i wonder why E17 ain't in debian at all, and e16 and enlightenment are different suites |
| 22:56.19 | zinx | rrbox: no one will maintain it, presumably |
| 22:56.28 | rrbox | ahh :( |
| 22:56.31 | \amethyst | stew: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/g/gcc-3.4/gcc-3.4_3.4.6ds1-7/changelog and http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/gcc-3.4 |
| 22:56.58 | rrbox | i'm happy with the e16 package, tho enlightenment has more projects with it |
| 22:57.14 | \amethyst | stew: libg2c0 is the g77 runtime |
| 22:57.14 | enouf | [18:38:20] <Dark_Apostrophe> (hd0) /dev/sda |
| 22:57.15 | enouf | [18:38:20] <Dark_Apostrophe> (hd1) /dev/sdb |
| 22:57.18 | enouf | sorry |
| 22:57.20 | stew | \amethyst: ahh, thanks |
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| 22:57.45 | themill | g77 -> gfortran transition |
| 22:57.45 | \amethyst | mbent-work: at that prompt, type -libg2c0 (with the minus) |
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| 22:57.53 | mbent-work | !depends lapack3 |
| 22:57.54 | zinx | rrbox: there's no reason it can't be in debian.. but the only stuff actually in debian is the stuff people maintain packages for.. just about anyone with sufficient knowledge of debian package management can become a package maintainer, though. |
| 22:58.10 | mbent-work | !depends lapack3 unstable |
| 22:58.29 | stew | rrbox: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=405860 |
| 22:58.29 | mbent-work | doesn't exist? urhg |
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| 22:58.33 | themill | mbent-work: it's not installable. |
| 22:58.37 | \amethyst | mbent-work: lapack3gf is the replacement (it uses gfortran instead of g77) |
| 22:58.46 | mbent-work | oh okay |
| 22:58.53 | zinx | unstable moved to 'liblapack3gf' / 'liblapack-dev' i believe |
| 22:59.21 | \amethyst | mbent-work: meaning you might need to recompile your Fortran programs |
| 22:59.25 | themill | also in testing now |
| 22:59.33 | mbent-work | i don't use fortran programs |
| 22:59.38 | themill | lucky you |
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| 22:59.48 | zinx | mbent-work: lapack is a fortran library :P |
| 22:59.51 | \amethyst | mbent-work: why do you have lapack3 then? |
| 22:59.59 | mbent-work | i have no idea |
| 23:00.18 | zinx | mbent-work: so you get to recompile everything that uses it pretty much (C programs too, unless those are packaged in debian) |
| 23:00.37 | mbent-work | i only use debian packages |
| 23:01.02 | zinx | ah, you shouldn't need the old package then |
| 23:01.22 | \amethyst | if you haven't compiled anything against lapack3 by hand, then whatever depended on it has probably been upgraded already |
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| 23:02.51 | \amethyst | octave-gpc seems to be the only exception according to aptitude search '~Dlapack3$' |
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| 23:16.36 | mbent-work | urgh, still broken |
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| 23:16.47 | mbent-work | sudo aptitude install gnome comes out with |
| 23:16.49 | mbent-work | http://rafb.net/p/vDXtnP26.html |
| 23:17.12 | \amethyst | mbent-work: yes, python is in the middle of a transition |
| 23:17.25 | mbent-work | oh okay |
| 23:18.04 | mbent-work | is there somewhere where i can read the latest on the python updates |
| 23:18.42 | \amethyst | mbent-work: hm, I see |
| 23:19.31 | \amethyst | mbent-work: python-beagle was binNMUd to go through the transition (0.3.4-1+b1) but then the maintainer released a new version (0.3.5) that still depended on the old python |
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| 23:20.03 | stew | mbent-work: have you run "aptitude -f install" ? |
| 23:20.40 | \amethyst | mbent-work: if you can get python-beagle 0.3.4-1+b1 from snapshots and install and hold that version, you should be fine |
| 23:20.42 | mbent-work | yes, it just wants to remove everything still |
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| 23:22.34 | mbent-work | http://rafb.net/p/1Ssz7S97.html |
| 23:22.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | could someone look at this? i have a file that appears to be unremovalbe http://paste.debian.net/875/ . anyone else thing it could be disc corruption |
| 23:23.25 | stew | mbent-work: becuaes of the python transition, not all of the packages under the (huge) gnome meta-package can be installed, so you are going to have to be more selective |
| 23:23.36 | mbent-work | oh okay |
| 23:23.55 | PiousMinion | Is it normal to get 404 errors in apt every once in a while in lenny? |
| 23:24.12 | azeem | PiousMinion: that's usually due to mirroring problems |
| 23:24.17 | stew | mbent-work: most of those things are being removed becuause they are automatically installed, unmark the ones you want to keep |
| 23:24.20 | azeem | PiousMinion: *if* you ran apt-get update before |
| 23:24.26 | azeem | otherwise, yes, it's very much expected |
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| 23:26.39 | PiousMinion | azeem: yeah, I always do an update. I'm getting errors from ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu and mirror.cc.columbia.edu |
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| 23:27.19 | PiousMinion | Had some errors from gatech yesterday so I switched to columbia. |
| 23:27.21 | azeem | PiousMinion: do you have ftp.us.debian.org in there, or those mirrors directly? |
| 23:27.44 | PiousMinion | those direct mirrors. I thought it was bad to use the main mirror? |
| 23:28.05 | azeem | ftp.us.debian.org is not the main mirror |
| 23:28.29 | azeem | but as it's round-robin DNS, you can run into trouble if apt-get update was on a good mirror, and apt-get install gets you a bad one |
| 23:28.57 | PiousMinion | hmm |
| 23:31.04 | azeem | PiousMinion: in any case, 404 errors on an uptodate apt-get update can be due to bad mirror scripts - i.e. the mirror updated the package binaries after the Packages.gz, for example |
| 23:31.14 | mbent-work | how long until python is transitioned? |
| 23:31.29 | azeem | PiousMinion: or maybe it's when some package got removed, that is already executed on the mirror, but the Packages.gz did not get updated yet |
| 23:31.38 | mbent-work | is there like a python blog or something? |
| 23:32.18 | HockeyInJune | What does "#1 SMP" mean in my uname -a? |
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| 23:33.27 | azeem | HockeyInJune: what's the full message? |
| 23:34.29 | HockeyInJune | Linux HockeyInJune 2.6.18-5-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 24 16:41:07 UTC 2007 i686 |
| 23:34.42 | azeem | the SMP is for multiprocessor-capable |
| 23:34.46 | HockeyInJune | I havent changed anything, this is the Debian 4.0 kernel |
| 23:34.50 | HockeyInJune | ah |
| 23:35.00 | azeem | no idea about the #1, this looks standard to me |
| 23:35.06 | Penix | build number |
| 23:35.06 | HockeyInJune | hm, Interesting |
| 23:35.19 | themill | HockeyInJune: that's an out of date kernel... time to upgrade. |
| 23:35.23 | HockeyInJune | First build? |
| 23:35.29 | Penix | HockeyInJune: technically |
| 23:35.48 | Penix | HockeyInJune: the -5- part is what you want to pay attention to though |
| 23:35.49 | HockeyInJune | heh, I really dont need to upgrade, this machine never even touches the Internet |
| 23:35.57 | HockeyInJune | What does that mean? |
| 23:36.08 | Penix | HockeyInJune: proper 'build number' |
| 23:36.16 | Penix | debian one |
| 23:36.20 | themill | ABI version |
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| 23:37.08 | Monobi | How do I go about upgrading my kernel ? |
| 23:37.21 | Penix | Monobi: apt-get update, apt-cache search linux-image |
| 23:37.24 | Penix | Monobi: are you using etch? |
| 23:37.53 | Monobi | Yes. |
| 23:37.57 | Monobi | Need to get rid of that root bug. |
| 23:37.58 | Penix | Monobi: backports are your only option then |
| 23:38.07 | Monobi | ? |
| 23:38.14 | Penix | Monobi: I believe that's been fixed in a security update IIRC |
| 23:38.18 | Monobi | Ok. |
| 23:38.21 | Penix | Monobi: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 23:39.18 | Monobi | Thanks |
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| 23:40.19 | themill | (perhaps dist-upgrade) |
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| 23:43.05 | linkslice | I goofed I restored an old backup over the top of a sarge system, but forgot to reset the password before the reboot, now I cannot log in....what do I do now? |
| 23:43.26 | themill | !ifrp |
| 23:43.26 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 23:44.27 | linkslice | themill, and if i'm in grub? |
| 23:44.40 | azeem | linkslice: then edit the grub entry |
| 23:44.42 | Penix | linkslice: read the 'For GRUB' part |
| 23:44.54 | linkslice | d'oh! |
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| 23:45.07 | linkslice | presents face for fish slapping |
| 23:45.14 | Penix | !fruitsmite linkslice |
| 23:45.14 | dpkg | smites linkslice with a truckload of mangos |
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| 23:48.22 | WormFood | Is there a package to install the additional fonts for the less frequently used chinese characters? I can see most chinese characters, but sometimes I can't see some characters |
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| 23:49.35 | azeem | WormFood: that's a pretty specific question which is maybe better asked in a chinese-specific chan |
| 23:49.39 | azeem | !cn |
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| 23:49.39 | dpkg | methinks cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 23:49.39 | azeem | bah. |
| 23:49.41 | azeem | ah |
| 23:49.45 | Penix | heh |
| 23:49.55 | WormFood | yes, I could just ask myself |
| 23:50.00 | WormFood | have you been to that channel? |
| 23:50.04 | WormFood | there is NOBODY there |
| 23:50.04 | yigal | WormFood: ttf-arphic-newsung ttf-arphic-ukai ttf-arphic-uming ttf-arphic-gbsn00lp ttf-arphic-bkai00mp ttf-arphic-bsmi00lp ttf-arphic-gkai00mp |
| 23:50.06 | azeem | WormFood: try on irc.debian.org |
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| 23:50.15 | yigal | have you installed those? |
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| 23:50.35 | WormFood | not sure yigal, I'll have to check |
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| 23:50.39 | WormFood | hey icesword |
| 23:50.48 | icesword | hey,wormfood |
| 23:50.56 | WormFood | icesword, do you sometimes get chinese characters that don't show up for you? |
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| 23:51.09 | icesword | what ?you mean |
| 23:51.29 | WormFood | it seems the font package for debian is missing some characters |
| 23:51.29 | icesword | ahhhh,i think so ,sometimes |
| 23:52.06 | icesword | sudo apt-cache search chinese.there you go,you can install some fonts |
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| 23:52.55 | WormFood | yeah, I have the main fonts installed, now I'm trying to locate the package with the less common characters |
| 23:54.14 | yigal | in terms of backup can someone suggest duplicity or rsync as far single user gpg encrypted for whole system, just one computer, backup ? |
| 23:54.17 | WormFood | do I have to restart X11 to make new fonts take effect? I remember I had to years ago, but is that still the case now? |
| 23:54.30 | azeem | WormFood: I don't think you should |
| 23:54.34 | icesword | er,like you can change character code if sometimes fonts showing in wrong type |
| 23:54.47 | icesword | !install font |
| 23:54.47 | dpkg | To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
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| 23:55.44 | WormFood | http://lingua.mtsu.edu/chinese-computing/statistics/char/list.php?Which=MO scroll down to the bottom of this list, and you'll see characters that aren't displayed (ok, so you get a box with their hexadecimal code in it) |
| 23:57.25 | icesword | i thinks some of them are traditional chinese fonts |
| 23:57.40 | icesword | even i don't understand |
| 23:58.33 | icesword | then you need to install big5 fonts |
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| 23:59.16 | WormFood | that list should be all simplified characters |
| 23:59.35 | WormFood | I wouldn't expect anyone to know 10,000 different characters |
| 23:59.41 | icesword | no,not,some are traditional fonts |
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| 23:59.56 | icesword | heeheh.i am sure.,i am native speaker |
