| 00:00.09 | WormFood | from what I understand, most chinese people only know about 4,000 to 6,000 different characters |
| 00:00.45 | jim | how many are there? |
| 00:01.01 | WormFood | I think there are about 60,000 to 75,000 |
| 00:01.13 | jim | wow |
| 00:01.21 | icesword | heheh,that is true. |
| 00:01.25 | WormFood | it is insane |
| 00:01.37 | WormFood | it is not humanly possible to know them all |
| 00:01.52 | icesword | but,i told you,some of them are traditional fonts |
| 00:02.03 | jim | but it was humanly possible to create them all |
| 00:02.18 | WormFood | sure, just like it is humanly possible to make up new words too |
| 00:02.32 | jim | well |
| 00:02.35 | Penix | that'd embiggen the smallest man |
| 00:02.38 | jim | you said it... |
| 00:02.39 | WormFood | just because person A makes a new character, does not mean person B will learn it |
| 00:02.44 | jim | I didn't :) |
| 00:03.03 | Cebot | hmm, it's odd. i now tried 2.6.17, 2.6.24 (both gentoo kernels) and 2.6.24 (vanilla) and non works with my NIC. tho the debian netinstall cdrom works just fine with it |
| 00:03.21 | icesword | like 人 which means human being.looks very like a man,so that is chinese fonts, |
| 00:03.24 | WormFood | what type of nic Cebot? |
| 00:03.25 | WaffleMatt | My sony viao TZ has active hard disk protection (from drops, etc). What is the status of linux support for stuff like this? |
| 00:03.37 | jim | WormFood: evidently :) |
| 00:03.44 | Cebot | WormFood, sun gem (on a sun netra box) |
| 00:03.55 | WormFood | most characters have some real meaning behind them |
| 00:04.06 | WormFood | they are not just random lines |
| 00:04.09 | foobar8 | icesword: bad guy you just executed code on my machine ;-) |
| 00:04.12 | icesword | yes,sure |
| 00:04.24 | icesword | foobar8, yes? |
| 00:04.32 | Penix | WaffleMatt: google has loads of info. found some already |
| 00:04.39 | WormFood | foobar8, yes, we executed your font :P |
| 00:04.47 | foobar8 | icesword: Loading subst-ksc...done, Loading subst-gb2312...done, ... |
| 00:04.47 | foobar8 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.16 | icesword | ahhh,sorry for that chinese character |
| 00:05.31 | foobar8 | icesword: :-) |
| 00:05.41 | WormFood | but some characters do not always seem to represent what they mean...like å for example...what is that supposed to be? |
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| 00:06.13 | WormFood | I know what it means, of course....and actually, I have some idea what it represents |
| 00:06.25 | icesword | hehe,not sure,you should ask languauge expert... |
| 00:06.49 | WormFood | icesword, from what I read, it represent 2 people sitting back to back |
| 00:06.49 | foobar8 | is surprised that erc displays those characters in the xterm at all |
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| 00:07.33 | icesword | WormFood, i think from what you said,it is åã |
| 00:07.53 | WormFood | why foobar8? it renders for me correctly |
| 00:07.54 | mrnull | I saw a few errors right before I was prompted for login. How can I find those again without rebooting? |
| 00:08.19 | WormFood | icesword, å represents 2 people sitting on the ground, not back-to-back |
| 00:08.28 | foobar8 | is even able to copy paste those double width chars:? 人åãå |
| 00:08.30 | WormFood | mrnull, dmesg |
| 00:08.50 | WormFood | foobar8, that is what I did for a long time before I learned to type chinese characters |
| 00:08.55 | mrnull | WormFood: thnx |
| 00:09.00 | icesword | hehe. |
| 00:09.21 | phorce1 | my irssi is displaying them fine |
| 00:09.23 | foobar8 | WormFood: how do you enter them? |
| 00:09.27 | WormFood | I really shocked my chinese friends....they'd say "I didn't know you can type chinese", and I'd say "I can't, but I can copy and paste" ååå |
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| 00:09.33 | icesword | WormFood, http://www.hongen.com/edu/dgkt/yw/dd021501.htm |
| 00:09.35 | WormFood | foobar8, I use scim |
| 00:10.22 | WormFood | yes, but only few characters actually look like what they represent |
| 00:10.43 | Cebot | does debian have a sparc specific irc channel? |
| 00:10.56 | WormFood | like the character for "fresh" is the 2 characters for "fish" and "sheep" combined (I don't know the pinyin, so I can't type it) |
| 00:11.13 | WormFood | I doubt so Cebot |
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| 00:11.32 | stew | Cebot: #debian-sparc on irc.debian.org |
| 00:11.33 | WormFood | I installed Linux on a sparc machine once....that was fun, and back in 2000 |
| 00:12.15 | Penix | I installed OpenBSD on a sparcstation a few weeks back. I win |
| 00:12.55 | evanbd | Weirdest install I ever attempted was RH on a laptop with no removable media |
| 00:13.00 | phorce1 | has a stack of Ultra1 and Ultra2 machines right here on his desk with sarge installed on all. |
| 00:13.20 | WormFood | nice page icesword |
| 00:13.48 | foobar8 | wonders how you copy a rectangular screen area if there are double width characters half inside and half outside the region |
| 00:13.48 | Penix | evanbd: try a blind install ;) (keyboard, no monitor, no serial console, no network) |
| 00:13.49 | WormFood | I have seen most of those old character forms before |
| 00:13.57 | Penix | now that's frustrating |
| 00:14.14 | yigal | WormFood: how far down the list should I go for characters not supported? |
| 00:14.51 | evanbd | Penix: ah, but dd if=floppyimage of=/dev/hda and then recreating the partition table so the isos are still there is so much fun :) |
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| 00:15.50 | yigal | It's about 7100 for me |
| 00:15.56 | WormFood | yigal, to the bottom, and work your way up |
| 00:16.33 | yigal | WormFood: oh, there are many at the bottom |
| 00:16.39 | WormFood | yes |
| 00:16.47 | icesword | WormFood, if you want to know more about chinese character history,you can google æ±åçæ¼å |
| 00:17.01 | WormFood | evanbd, why not use "cp" instead of "dd", after all what are you converting? |
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| 00:17.12 | octox2 | ask me, my wife is chinese lol |
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| 00:17.14 | WormFood | thanks icesword |
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| 00:17.30 | WormFood | I actually have several books (in dead tree and ebook) about chinese characters |
| 00:17.38 | foobar8 | found out rectangular are copy in emacs is somewhat broken |
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| 00:17.40 | boingolov | could someone post an inittab from a working lenny install? I'm trying to figure out what is wrong with mine |
| 00:17.45 | evanbd | WormFood: because that won't make /dev/hda bootable... |
| 00:18.03 | WormFood | evanbd, what drugs are you on? |
| 00:18.12 | WormFood | how does "dd" make /dev/hda bootable? |
| 00:18.20 | Penix | how does cp? |
| 00:18.23 | WormFood | "dd" just copies the data |
| 00:18.32 | Penix | WormFood: in this case, a bootable floppy image |
| 00:18.34 | evanbd | and if the floppy image is bootable... |
| 00:18.38 | stew | evanbd: "dd if=floppyimage of=/dev/hda" and "cp floppyimage /dev/hda" do the same thing, but cp does it with a better blocksize |
| 00:18.44 | WormFood | dd and cp do the same thing, only dd is bloated for the task...read the man page for dd and explain how it helps |
| 00:19.10 | amphi | boingolov: http://pastebin.ca/raw/986799 |
| 00:19.17 | icesword | foobar8, that is coz maybe you didn' t insall chinese fonts,or maybe emacs cannot use it,or you can change character code |
| 00:19.29 | amphi | boingolov: I don't think I've changed it at all |
| 00:19.31 | WormFood | thank you stew, you truly understand dd and cp......most people are clueless and just do what they read without understanding what they are doing |
| 00:20.09 | WormFood | now if I wanted to just copy 10 sectors to /dev/hda, I'd use dd....but to copy everything I use cp |
| 00:20.23 | evanbd | ok, so I could have used cp. I was modifying a set of instructions and left it as much alone as would work |
| 00:20.39 | evanbd | wanders off to read some man pages :) |
| 00:20.46 | nevyn | stew: dd has an adjustable blocksize. |
| 00:20.48 | yigal | what about cpio is that ever needed or preferred relative to cp? |
| 00:21.00 | Penix | yigal: man cpio |
| 00:21.00 | WormFood | nevyn, have you tested those block sizes? |
| 00:21.03 | boingolov | hrm, exactly the same as mine |
| 00:21.06 | boingolov | amphi, thanks btw |
| 00:21.15 | WormFood | dd is only faster than cp is you use very large block sizes |
| 00:21.16 | foobar8 | icesword, no the "chars" are displayed right, but if you copy a rectangular area and half of a double width char is in that area the complete double width char is copied |
| 00:21.21 | nevyn | WormFood: various blocksizes on various hardware has various results. |
| 00:21.25 | Monobi | IS the root password stored plain text any where? |
| 00:21.26 | yigal | Penix: so just archives? |
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| 00:21.39 | WormFood | Monobi, not unless you type it in somewhere in plain text |
| 00:21.40 | boingolov | okay, so inittab should be sane, anyone have any ideas on why after my upgrade to lenny, I have no console on ttya , ttyb, etc ? |
| 00:21.44 | boingolov | I can ssh in, but no console |
| 00:21.50 | boingolov | not running X btw |
| 00:21.52 | Monobi | Mhm, thanks |
| 00:21.52 | rrbox | stew: that link about E17 didn't tell me anything about e17 coming to debian, can u simply interprit ? |
| 00:22.14 | stew | rrbox: it tells you that it is being worked on, and who is working on it |
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| 00:22.25 | boingolov | during the upgrade process, I had a power failure, but I kicked it off again once I brought it back up and it seemed to be okay |
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| 00:22.52 | rrbox | k thanks, stew, cause it's got bunch of acronyms on the msg |
| 00:22.54 | yigal | Penix: actually in this case "info cpio" is far more informative |
| 00:23.04 | Penix | yigal: yes. silly GNU people |
| 00:23.06 | WormFood | boingolov, that sounds interesting....perhaps getty is broked |
| 00:23.09 | stew | rrbox: /msg dpkg itp ; /msg dpkg wnpp |
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| 00:23.26 | Penix | rrbox: afaik certain packages are starting to make their way in |
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| 00:23.36 | Penix | rrbox: give it time though. 0.17 isn't even out yet |
| 00:23.47 | boingolov | WormFood, I did a apt-get --reinstall install util-linux |
| 00:23.48 | rrbox | it'd be nice is siag is included |
| 00:23.52 | rrbox | if* |
| 00:23.55 | boingolov | which should have unbroked it |
| 00:23.57 | boingolov | I should think |
| 00:24.00 | stew | nevyn: yes. cp tries to guess a good blocksize based on your system, and hopefully sometime in the fugure the guesses will be more educated |
| 00:24.08 | boingolov | though obviously something is "broked" |
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| 00:24.55 | aoeu | what's a good free iso burner that i can d/l for windows? |
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| 00:25.03 | Penix | aoeu: this is #debian |
| 00:25.06 | stew | aoeu: wrong channel |
| 00:25.06 | aoeu | needs to burn a netinst image and has no burning software |
| 00:25.14 | boingolov | also did the same thing for the login package |
| 00:25.18 | streuner | aoeu: cdrkit |
| 00:25.34 | rrbox | cool, good to know itp is out there |
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| 00:25.50 | WormFood | welcome back icesword ;) |
| 00:25.59 | icesword | hehe:p |
| 00:26.10 | stew | rrbox: the itp has been open for 400+ days, so i wouldn't hold my breath |
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| 00:26.28 | rrbox | ahh |
| 00:26.39 | Penix | rrbox: there are unofficial Debian packages that work quite well |
| 00:26.50 | WormFood | is there something better than evolution as an imap client? |
| 00:26.57 | rrbox | Penix: yeah but e17 isn't there tho |
| 00:26.59 | stew | i remember that in 1999 or so, i used to go to enlightenment.org's news page all the time hoping there would be some news about the release of e17. i'm glad i stopped doing that at some point around 8 years ago |
| 00:27.09 | icesword | i use testing,and i have 22019 packages available,lol |
| 00:27.10 | WormFood | I have a 1.3 meg email on a slow connection that it won't even download for me |
| 00:27.48 | Penix | stew: heh. yeah, would've been nice if everything came together back then. the embedded Linux market might be a bit different |
| 00:28.13 | rrbox | e16 is smart enough tho to keep me happy |
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| 00:29.27 | boingolov | nothing interesting in the logs. but I'm just wondering, what else could have gone wrong? if /sbin/getty has been reinstalled, /bin/login has been reinstalled, libpam-modules as well |
| 00:29.44 | stew | Penix: dude, when it does finally come out, its going to support TRANSPARANCY! |
| 00:29.52 | Penix | omfg khtx! |
| 00:30.00 | streuner | hehe |
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| 00:30.15 | boingolov | no getty processes running in ps |
| 00:30.30 | streuner | no shell, good :-) |
| 00:31.23 | WormFood | when I run a server that I do not physically have access to, I always remove console shell :) |
| 00:32.03 | \amethyst | boingolov: what happens if you try running /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 from an ssh session? |
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| 00:32.12 | WormFood | and when I do run a server I have physical access to, I always remove all console shells, except 1 (I'll use screen) |
| 00:32.24 | boingolov | WormFood, this isn't really a server in the typical sense. this is a repurposed laptop here at the house hooked to a 500gb external disk that is my "media server" |
| 00:32.51 | aoeu | is there a special minimal install for small hard drives? |
| 00:32.54 | boingolov | I get a login |
| 00:32.58 | aoeu | is going to install to a 1.2GB drive |
| 00:33.03 | Penix | aoeu: that's not small |
| 00:33.07 | Penix | aoeu: a normal install will fit fine |
| 00:33.09 | azeem | aoeu: debootstrap has a --minimal option or so |
| 00:33.10 | streuner | aoeu: sure, /msg dpkg ig |
| 00:33.11 | boingolov | just can't convince init to do it |
| 00:33.13 | aoeu | how much space will debian take? |
| 00:33.23 | Penix | aoeu: without X and all that crap? |
| 00:33.26 | aoeu | yes |
| 00:33.32 | WormFood | aoeu, I want to say it will take about 400 meg |
| 00:33.46 | aoeu | ok, that's good |
| 00:33.48 | jim | aoeu: just install the base and go from there (the base is the smallest you can get and still be debian, and still work, and still able to install packages) |
| 00:33.54 | WormFood | I had problems installing debian on 500 meg and smaller drives....I forget where the line was that I had problems |
| 00:34.01 | aoeu | all it has to run is some basic wireless tools |
| 00:34.17 | WormFood | remembers installing redhat on 130 meg hard drive |
| 00:34.17 | \amethyst | boingolov: hm, so getty is there but init isn't starting it |
| 00:34.24 | aoeu | has a friend who lives in an apartment, and all his neighbors have wep |
| 00:34.24 | boingolov | right |
| 00:34.28 | icesword | WormFood, lol |
| 00:34.29 | aoeu | won't say any more |
| 00:34.31 | Wyzard | The installation on my router (base system plus firehol and a few utilities) is 600MB |
| 00:34.36 | \amethyst | boingolov: have you reloaded init after reinstalling util-linux? |
| 00:34.38 | WormFood | boingolov, could you have it set to the wrong runlevel? |
| 00:34.39 | \amethyst | boingolov: init q |
| 00:34.44 | boingolov | hrm, good point |
| 00:34.46 | boingolov | maybe I didn't |
| 00:34.47 | streuner | WormFood: in the 80'? |
| 00:34.48 | boingolov | runlevel is 2 |
| 00:35.12 | WormFood | streuner, yes, I used my time machine to go back and run Linux before it was written :P |
| 00:35.13 | streuner | WormFood: surely before you born? |
| 00:35.23 | boingolov | you know, I did reinstall sysvinit , but I may not have rebooted since |
| 00:35.26 | WormFood | streuner, I was born in the 1960s :P |
| 00:35.30 | streuner | heh |
| 00:35.37 | WormFood | feels old now |
| 00:35.41 | boingolov | otoh, I don't know how much luck the system would have booting at all if init were well and truly hosed |
| 00:36.04 | WormFood | boingolov, what run level are you in? |
| 00:36.04 | streuner | WormFood: dont ask, because you'll get that what you asking for... |
| 00:36.04 | boingolov | was born in the 70's |
| 00:36.25 | boingolov | WormFood, it was 2 (before I rebooted it haha) |
| 00:37.15 | boingolov | okay, came back up, still no getty's |
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| 00:37.48 | boingolov | okay, back up, and runlevel is 2 as expected |
| 00:38.01 | \amethyst | boingolov: and what do the getty lines in /etc/inittab say? paste one as an example |
| 00:38.06 | boingolov | sure |
| 00:38.29 | boingolov | http://pastebin.ca/986800 |
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| 00:39.33 | \amethyst | boingolov: yeah, that looks fine |
| 00:39.41 | marroqui21 | haloo |
| 00:39.46 | marroqui21 | alles goed ? |
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| 00:40.04 | \amethyst | boingolov: anything in the logs? |
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| 00:40.10 | boingolov | nothing interesting |
| 00:40.16 | streuner | marroqui21: are you trying to speak german? |
| 00:40.26 | \amethyst | boingolov: if you do init q do the ttys show up? |
| 00:40.42 | marroqui21 | strreuner no that is dutch |
| 00:40.45 | marroqui21 | lol$ |
| 00:41.01 | streuner | sounds similar |
| 00:41.02 | boingolov | nope |
| 00:41.15 | boingolov | but I do see in the daemon log where it's rereading inittab |
| 00:41.22 | aoeu | just realised something |
| 00:41.38 | aoeu | 1.2GB isn't way enough to store packets for cracking wep |
| 00:41.58 | Wyzard | aoeu: I don't think WEP-cracking involves storing lots of traffic |
| 00:42.00 | icesword | 1.2 g is too small. |
| 00:42.02 | rrbox | it's odd, how e17 is not avail on debian, yet u have elive based on debian, and gOS based on e17 for the mainstream, i just prefer building my way up from core with my own custom apps, just a thought |
| 00:42.14 | Wyzard | aoeu: All that really matters are the IVs from the packet headers |
| 00:42.25 | aoeu | so it's all done in memory? |
| 00:42.52 | Wyzard | aoeu: and I don't think they need to be stored at all; the reason you need lots of traffic is just that weak IVs don't occur frequently so you need to wait for one |
| 00:43.12 | Wyzard | aoeu: but I could be wrong; I've read about it but not actually tried it |
| 00:43.32 | boingolov | am seeing some of these in /var/log/messages , but I don't think this is my issue: tkbd.c: Spurious NAK on isa0060/serio0. Some program might be trying access hardware directly |
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| 00:44.46 | Wyzard | aoeu: If your card is capable of transmitting while in monitor mode, or if you have a second card available, there are active attacks you can do to get a weak IV more quickly (but an active attack may be more likely to get you in trouble legally) |
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| 00:45.14 | aoeu | only has one card |
| 00:45.19 | aoeu | its a cisco aironet 350 |
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| 00:47.26 | marroqui21 | i want to fuck you |
| 00:47.28 | WormFood | Wyzard, from what I read there are some cards that can inject and monitor |
| 00:47.32 | marroqui21 | with my lool |
| 00:47.54 | WormFood | aoeu, I have a cisco airnet 350....I replaced it....it is a total piece of shit....it randomly changes channels |
| 00:47.56 | Wyzard | WormFood: I'm sure there are, but I don't know of any specifically |
| 00:48.15 | WormFood | aoeu, I bought a prism54 for my laptop for about $7.50 usd |
| 00:49.01 | jim | how can you make suire to get a prism54? |
| 00:49.27 | icesword | what is prism54 |
| 00:49.32 | jim | or did you discover its prismness after the fact? |
| 00:49.41 | Wyzard | icesword: it's an 802.11g chipset |
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| 00:49.49 | icesword | ahhhh |
| 00:49.50 | icesword | thx |
| 00:49.55 | WormFood | I took my laptop to the computer flea market, and tried it before I bought it |
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| 00:50.21 | Wyzard | used to have a prism54 card several years ago, but its free driver didn't support WPA... maybe it does by now though |
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| 00:50.27 | WormFood | I'll give you a tip....the wireless drivers in the 2.6.24 kernel with debian are fucked! use the 2.6.22 kernel for testing (especially on the prism54) |
| 00:51.30 | jim | are there bugs filed to that effect? |
| 00:51.50 | Wyzard | WormFood: My ipw2200 works fine in 2.6.24... |
| 00:51.58 | WormFood | it isn't a bug, it is a choice |
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| 00:52.35 | WormFood | they decided to not compile the prism54 driver with the 2.6.24 kernel, and used the p54_pci driver instead, which does not work correctly for many features |
| 00:52.36 | themill | WormFood: statements like that imply bugs. Bugs imply bug reports. |
| 00:52.37 | jim | ok, so what do you mean by "fucked"? |
| 00:53.12 | yigal | all alt combinations on the terminal using urxvt aren't working they simply produce the letter part of the combination, alt-b (back one word) doesn't work etc., can anyone give me suggestions as to what is happening? |
| 00:53.23 | jim | oic, so they wanted to save disk space? |
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| 00:53.46 | boingolov | hrm, wonder if it's possibly getting confused by the fact that I don't have an /etc/init.d/powerfail ? |
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| 00:53.57 | Wyzard | That wouldn't make more than a few kilobytes worth of difference in disk space |
| 00:54.32 | Wyzard | prism54.ko is 59k in etch's 2.6.18 |
| 00:54.37 | WormFood | jim, the idea was the softmac drivers replace the hard mac drivers....the problem is they do not work for the cool stuff....kismet does not even work properly with it |
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| 00:55.18 | WormFood | p54_pci driver is not a real replacement for prism54 driver if you want to truly use it....I mean, it does work, but many tools don't work with it |
| 00:56.51 | yigal | Oh, ok I answered my question '-mod alt'. |
| 00:59.47 | WaffleMatt | I'm looking for a nice, antialiased terminal. I could use konsole, but I don't want to drag in half of kde. I'm on fluxbox. |
| 00:59.48 | boingolov | I hate reinstalling, too much like giving up, heh |
| 00:59.56 | WaffleMatt | xterm is getting harsh on my eyes :-p |
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| 01:00.54 | boingolov | WaffleMatt, have you tried aterm ? |
| 01:01.11 | boingolov | there are some other ones too, but I'm drawing a blank |
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| 01:02.12 | \amethyst | WaffleMatt: I like gnome-terminal, but you probably don't want to pull in the GNOME libs either |
| 01:02.35 | \amethyst | WaffleMatt: rxvt-unicode can do anti-aliasing I think |
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| 01:03.40 | boingolov | yeah, doesn't look like aterm can do antialiasing either |
| 01:04.51 | Wyzard | I've been told that even xterm supports antialiasing these days |
| 01:05.01 | Wyzard | though I don't know firsthand since I don't use xterm |
| 01:05.16 | boingolov | apt-cache search term | grep "^[a-z]*term" gives a LOT |
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| 01:05.26 | yigal | why don't people like urxvt? |
| 01:05.33 | aoeu | WormFood, what do you mean randomly changes channels? |
| 01:05.55 | aoeu | when it's in monitor mode or when you're using it? |
| 01:06.30 | WormFood | aoeu, when in monitor mode |
| 01:06.36 | WormFood | aoeu, when using kismet |
| 01:06.50 | Wyzard | WormFood: Isn't channel-hopping a feature of kismet itself? |
| 01:06.55 | WormFood | seriously, it is so frustrating to try to monitor packets, and have the piece of shit change channels |
| 01:07.04 | WormFood | Wyzard, it won't channel hop in kismet |
| 01:07.17 | yigal | WaffleMatt: rxvt-unicode is small and nice |
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| 01:07.48 | Wyzard | WormFood: It randomly changes channels when using kismet but it doesn't hop channels in kismet? |
| 01:07.59 | WormFood | correct |
| 01:08.07 | WormFood | crazy, isn't it? |
| 01:08.09 | Wyzard | is confused by what appears to be two contradictory statements |
| 01:08.15 | WormFood | why? |
| 01:08.22 | amphi | WaffleMatt: xfce4-term is ok |
| 01:08.25 | WormFood | kismet does not channel hop with that card! |
| 01:08.36 | WormFood | the card randomly changes channels on its own |
| 01:08.43 | WormFood | how is that contradictory? |
| 01:08.45 | WaffleMatt | amphi, good point. Its been a few years since I've used xfce. |
| 01:08.56 | WormFood | it seems to change channels to the strongest WAP near it |
| 01:09.09 | Wyzard | WormFood: so you're saying that when kismet tells the card to change channel, it does not, but the card changes channels when kismet didn't ask it to |
| 01:09.12 | WormFood | it is incredibly frustrating....that is why I got rid of it |
| 01:09.26 | WormFood | Wyzard, I'm saying kismet can not tell that card to change channels |
| 01:09.38 | WormFood | and yes, if kismet tries to make it change channels, it won't |
| 01:09.41 | amphi | WaffleMatt: I don't know about the others, but I like that xfce4-term can arrange tabs down the left-hand side |
| 01:09.48 | WormFood | and yes, it will change channels when kismet does not ask it to |
| 01:09.53 | boingolov | d'oh! |
| 01:09.58 | boingolov | I think I might have just figured out the issue |
| 01:09.59 | WormFood | go read up about that piece of shit card |
| 01:10.01 | yigal | WaffleMatt: ok, just my point of view urxvt is small and easily configurable, so that is why I like it |
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| 01:10.08 | boingolov | had nothing to do with upgrading to lenny, other than the fact that the upgrade prompted a reboot |
| 01:10.10 | WormFood | it is truly a heaping pile of steaming shit....that is why I replaced it |
| 01:10.17 | boingolov | I added some bits to rc.local that weren't quite kosher |
| 01:10.22 | Wyzard | WormFood: That's indeed pretty weird |
| 01:10.24 | boingolov | and rc.local wasn't returning |
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| 01:11.00 | Wyzard | WormFood: but sounds like a driver issue, not really a card issue, as you mentioned earlier |
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| 01:11.30 | boingolov | consoles are working again |
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| 01:11.45 | WormFood | it is not supported well under Linux....I'm sure it is a driver issue, but fuck it, I'm not going to fix it, so I replaced it |
| 01:11.49 | WormFood | I wasted far too much time on it |
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| 01:12.05 | boingolov | smacks his forehead |
| 01:12.17 | boingolov | sometimes I am teh dumb |
| 01:12.31 | cizzi | whats this about a local root exploit in kernel 2.6.24 |
| 01:12.35 | cizzi | is that true or a hoax |
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| 01:12.44 | Wyzard | WormFood: I gave mine away (to a Windows user) when I bought a new laptop with a built-in ipw2200, so I've never used the newer softmac driver |
| 01:13.07 | amphi | boingolov: heh - nothing to do with inittab, eh? |
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| 01:14.08 | boingolov | amphi, not directly, no |
| 01:14.14 | boingolov | it was in the bit where it hands off to rc scripts |
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| 01:15.35 | boingolov | I had forgotten the '&' at the end of a command in rc.local |
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| 01:16.29 | WormFood | hahaha |
| 01:16.32 | WormFood | that will do it! |
| 01:16.37 | boingolov | apparently so! |
| 01:16.47 | RussellGee | Hi everyone |
| 01:16.48 | RussellGee | Does anybody have a method of installing without using a cd.I tried extracting the iso to the root of a parition and booting through grub but it never worked. |
| 01:17.11 | RussellGee | Got no cds atm :) |
| 01:17.28 | Wyzard | RussellGee: Copying the contents of the CD to a hard drive is not an installation :-) |
| 01:17.32 | boingolov | RussellGee, if your hardware supports net booting, and you can set up a machine to serve as a boot server, then that can wor |
| 01:17.34 | boingolov | work even |
| 01:18.02 | RussellGee | Wwzard: i know that |
| 01:18.06 | Wyzard | RussellGee: If you have a USB storage device available, and your BIOS supports booting from it, you can install from that |
| 01:18.23 | RussellGee | Tried already |
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| 01:18.29 | Wyzard | RussellGee: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch02s02.html.en |
| 01:18.53 | Yahooadam | im having a problem with apache2, when i connect to it via 127.0.0.1 with links, it works ok |
| 01:18.54 | RussellGee | I got half way through the install using grub untill i got to the stage of finding the cdrom |
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| 01:19.05 | Yahooadam | but when i use the network ip (eth0) it wont respond |
| 01:19.37 | Wyzard | Yahooadam: firewall? |
| 01:19.45 | amphi | boingolov: heh |
| 01:19.45 | RussellGee | I then tried linking it to ram and a few other things that failed |
| 01:19.47 | boingolov | Yahooadam, running iptables ? also, what is the ListenAddress ? when you do a netstat -an | grep LISTEN , what do you see? |
| 01:20.16 | Yahooadam | boingolov : tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN |
| 01:20.24 | Yahooadam | i assume thats the line your interested in? |
| 01:20.47 | Wyzard | Yahooadam: Look for one that just says "tcp" rather than "tcp6" |
| 01:20.49 | boingolov | yah |
| 01:21.10 | Yahooadam | Wyzard - i havent changed debian to include a firewall (unless there is one by default) and im on the local network (not using a router/firewall) |
| 01:21.23 | Yahooadam | there isnt one |
| 01:21.24 | Wyzard | Yahooadam: There's no default firewall |
| 01:21.42 | RussellGee | Anybody got any other ideas? |
| 01:21.49 | Wyzard | RussellGee: "linking it to ram"? |
| 01:21.57 | Yahooadam | however, my debian server at home also says the same thing, and the manual for apache says that tcp6 will accept ipv4 connections |
| 01:22.11 | Wyzard | Yahooadam: hmm, maybe so |
| 01:22.29 | boingolov | Yahooadam, what does iptables -L show ? |
| 01:22.32 | RussellGee | Yes, when i booted the installer off my hdd i loaded everything into ram |
| 01:23.14 | Yahooadam | boingolov - nothing as such - http://pastebin.com/d4fd4cddd |
| 01:23.32 | boingolov | hrm |
| 01:23.34 | boingolov | weahd |
| 01:23.40 | boingolov | so what do you get when you try to access it then? |
| 01:23.43 | RussellGee | My kernel line was |
| 01:23.43 | RussellGee | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:23.57 | Wyzard | RussellGee: so you've tried the hard-drive-based installation method... what about others like USB or network? |
| 01:24.07 | Wyzard | RussellGee: and what specifically went wrong when you tried? |
| 01:24.26 | Yahooadam | boingolov - firefox sits there trying to load for like 5 mins, then gives up with an error |
| 01:24.40 | RussellGee | Got to the stage of loading stuff off the cdrom, it said it couldnt find anything |
| 01:24.42 | boingolov | no selinux? |
| 01:24.57 | RussellGee | Similar to the ubuntu 7.10 problem |
| 01:25.22 | Yahooadam | boingolov - not that i know of (i am using a custom debian thing because i have the ICH9R chipset - dunno if they changed that setting) |
| 01:25.24 | RussellGee | A friend has my USB drive atm |
| 01:25.32 | boingolov | Yahooadam, you running any sort of firewall / port blocking program on the other machine? |
| 01:25.41 | Wyzard | RussellGee: I haven't heard of "the ubuntu 7.10 problem", but if you're not installing from a CD and it's trying to find things on a CD, I'd imagine it should ask you where to look for the files that would normally be on the CD |
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| 01:25.56 | boingolov | Yahooadam, what does sestatus show ? |
| 01:26.16 | RussellGee | It just gives the option to try again or quit |
| 01:26.31 | Yahooadam | sudo: sestatus: command not found |
| 01:26.50 | RussellGee | I then excuted a shell and tried linking my ramdisk to my cd drive |
| 01:26.55 | boingolov | ahh |
| 01:26.56 | RussellGee | never worked |
| 01:27.01 | boingolov | it's part of policycoreutils package |
| 01:27.08 | Wyzard | RussellGee: "A full, âpure networkâ installation can be achieved using this technique. This avoids all hassles of removable media, like finding and burning CD images or struggling with too numerous and unreliable floppy disks." |
| 01:27.13 | Wyzard | RussellGee: from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 01:27.15 | Yahooadam | should i install that? |
| 01:27.15 | boingolov | there is another way to test for it |
| 01:27.19 | boingolov | can't remember |
| 01:27.26 | boingolov | not necessary, maybe someone can chime in here |
| 01:27.29 | Wyzard | RussellGee: It may be that netinstall is the only supported method when you boot the installer from a hard drive |
| 01:28.05 | jim | never heard of that for stable |
| 01:28.24 | jim | what's policycoreutils? exists for etch? |
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| 01:28.28 | Wyzard | RussellGee: or, perhaps not: "you can download the hd-media/initrd.gz file and its kernel, as well as copy a CD iso to the drive (make sure the file is named ending in .iso). The installer can then boot from the drive and install from the CD image, without needing the network." |
| 01:28.34 | Wyzard | RussellGee: from http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
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| 01:28.54 | RussellGee | i wasnt awear there is a hd-media files for debian |
| 01:29.00 | Wyzard | RussellGee: You copy the .iso itself, not its extracted contents (the USB-based installation works that way too) |
| 01:29.07 | Wyzard | RussellGee: The installer finds the .iso and loop-mounts it |
| 01:29.14 | Yahooadam | the error firefox gives is "The connection was reset" |
| 01:29.30 | boingolov | eh, I don't know |
| 01:29.54 | boingolov | Yahooadam, you running any sort of firewall or connection blocker program on the machine you're running firefox from? |
| 01:29.57 | Yahooadam | apache's access.log doesnt show anything when doing that, but localhost on the server works fine (so apache is working) |
| 01:30.12 | Yahooadam | boingolov - not as far as i know |
| 01:30.14 | boingolov | like peerguardian? |
| 01:30.15 | RussellGee | I have done that with ubuntu before, just i didnt realise there was hd-media files for debian |
| 01:30.43 | Wyzard | RussellGee: I didn't either, but that's why I checked the installation manual :-) |
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| 01:32.14 | RussellGee | Thanks, will try that out ;) |
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| 01:33.50 | Yahooadam | boingolov - ok its my computer |
| 01:33.53 | Yahooadam | not sure how, but it is |
| 01:34.07 | Yahooadam | just tried from my ubuntu laptop - worked fine |
| 01:34.46 | Yahooadam | UGH >_> |
| 01:34.53 | Yahooadam | ok sorted |
| 01:35.12 | Yahooadam | i forgot im using a socks proxy on my computer, and i had forgotten to whitelist the network |
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| 01:44.18 | gbp | hi, i'm trying to use apt-get to download kernel source for 2.6.24 - apt-cache search shows nothing for kernel-source so i assume none of the mirrors in my sources.list have it. should i add another entry to sources.list or download the kernel source another way? |
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| 01:44.58 | Wyzard | gbp: It's "linux-source" |
| 01:45.00 | dvs | gbp: are you building your old kernel? |
| 01:45.10 | gbp | Wyzard: ugh ok |
| 01:45.13 | gbp | dvs: yes |
| 01:45.27 | dvs | gbp: Well, follow Wyzard first. |
| 01:45.48 | Wyzard | gbp: and the "kernel-package" package provides a nice tool for building it |
| 01:45.55 | gbp | does it really matter if i use apt-get to download the source or get it via ftp or something? |
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| 01:46.09 | gbp | Wyzard: yeah i have kernel-package |
| 01:46.12 | dvs | gbp: again, follow what Wyzard just said |
| 01:46.48 | Wyzard | gbp: not really, but the source distributed by Debian (in linux-source packages) is not identical to what you get from kernel.org -- Debian applies a few additional patches (mostly bugfixes) |
| 01:47.05 | Wyzard | gbp: Look in the changelog.Debian.gz of the linux-source package for details |
| 01:47.13 | gbp | linux-source-2.x.y-arch? |
| 01:47.17 | Wyzard | yeah |
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| 01:48.09 | \amethyst | bugfixes and removing non-free firmware |
| 01:48.40 | gbp | linux-patch-debian-2.6.18 - Debian patches to version 2.6.18 of the Linux kernel |
| 01:48.46 | gbp | is that additional? |
| 01:48.58 | Wyzard | gbp: No, that's the diff from kernel.org to Debian linux-source (IIRC) |
| 01:49.13 | gbp | Ok |
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| 01:49.59 | \amethyst | strictly, it's a diff from linux-<version>.orig.tar.gz (from the source package) to the linux-source- tarball |
| 01:50.23 | \amethyst | the long description says it applies to the .orig.tar.gz, not a pristine kernel.org tarball |
| 01:50.36 | \amethyst | the .orig.tar.gz has had non-free firmware stripped |
| 01:50.41 | gbp | i seem to only be able to get linux-source-2.6.18 with no other kernel release or option for arch. downloading it at the moment |
| 01:50.42 | cizzi | \amethyst - greetings |
| 01:50.49 | \amethyst | cizzi: hello |
| 01:50.52 | gbp | \amethyst: i see, thanks |
| 01:51.09 | Wyzard | gbp: That's because 2.6.18 is the kernel that's in the etch release |
| 01:51.17 | dvs | gbp: I'd download directly from kernel.org if you're going to compile it yourself. |
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| 01:52.01 | gbp | ok. well the file it's downloading atm is 'linux-source-2.6.18 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1' |
| 01:52.48 | gbp | i'll see what is in that one and if it's no good, will get something from kernel.org :) |
| 01:53.08 | dvs | what are you looking for? |
| 01:53.27 | Wyzard | gbp: It's the source that the linux-image-2.6.18-* packages were built from |
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| 02:01.18 | cizzi | whats the leading website for up to date security issues with kernels? |
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| 02:01.30 | cizzi | news and such |
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| 02:06.24 | underdog5004 | I'm hosting a website foo.bar . Do I need to set the hostname of the server to server.foo.bar, or just server ? |
| 02:09.41 | Monobi | erm, |
| 02:09.51 | Monobi | I dont think the hostname has much to do with it? You need to register a domain? |
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| 02:10.24 | underdog5004 | already have |
| 02:10.31 | underdog5004 | we got it figured out, thanks anyway |
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| 02:17.52 | boingolov | underdog5004, you need to set the servername directive and not rely on the automagic behavior |
| 02:18.50 | underdog5004 | ok |
| 02:19.10 | cizzi | i have a problem.. using kernel 2.6.24-4 and with pci=nommconf mem=8832M in the menu.lst and its still very painfully slow when booting |
| 02:19.13 | cizzi | what else can i try |
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| 02:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, I have an application that draws something incredibly slowly... and whenever I click on a different window, it stops (it'd also stop, when you click into the window) |
| 02:50.24 | ymorin | CutMeOwnThroat, will you patent your application? |
| 02:50.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not _my_ application |
| 02:50.36 | netdaemon | how would one go about enabling policykit? |
| 02:51.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm just one of the enthralled ones who use it |
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| 02:53.24 | mooze | hey guys... |
| 02:54.01 | mooze | needed help with kernel recompilation - just did a recompile, created the initrd image using mkinitrd |
| 02:54.20 | mooze | but when i boot with the new kernel - i get "unknown filesystem type devfs" |
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| 02:54.41 | mooze | on then it complains along the line that it init could not find the dev/console device |
| 02:54.48 | mooze | and finally the kernel panic message |
| 02:55.13 | mooze | been googling on the error and tried a lot of different things - but nothings worked so far |
| 02:57.03 | mooze | anyone? |
| 02:57.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | just the usual stuff... |
| 02:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... |
| 02:57.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you start out from the default debian config |
| 02:57.53 | mooze | yup |
| 02:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... |
| 02:59.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !initrd |
| 02:59.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 02:59.35 | mooze | i have the initrd line in my grub.conf |
| 02:59.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, you didn't use make-kpkg |
| 02:59.56 | Wyzard | mooze: devfs is no longer supported |
| 02:59.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | but that prolly just calls mkinitrd :) |
| 03:00.06 | mooze | nopes - would that make such a big differencce? |
| 03:00.13 | Wyzard | mooze: and mkinitrd therefore doesn't work, since it generates initrds that need devfs |
| 03:00.37 | Wyzard | mooze: We use mkinitramfs instead of mkinitrd these days |
| 03:00.39 | mooze | Wyzard: so then what do i do? make-kpkg? |
| 03:00.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, seems it would make a difference :) |
| 03:00.59 | mooze | Wyzard: ok - so mkinitramfs is the new imporved way? |
| 03:01.10 | Wyzard | mooze: make-kpkg doesn't do anything special, but if you build with the --initrd option, the resulting .deb will automatically generate the ramdisk at install time so you don't have to worry about it |
| 03:01.31 | Wyzard | mooze: but yes, mkinitramfs is the successor to mkinitrd, which is deprecated because devfs is no longer in the kernel |
| 03:01.43 | mooze | ah - but i want to "learn" all this - just my curiosity :) |
| 03:02.02 | Wyzard | mooze: make-kpkg doesn't really preclude you from learning |
| 03:02.21 | mooze | :D I guess not... |
| 03:02.32 | Wyzard | mooze: It's just a frontend for the kernel build process, which wraps the result in a .deb |
| 03:03.16 | Wyzard | mooze: and at the same time makes your system more maintainable (clean automated removal of kernel packages later) and demonstrates the preferred way to install kernels in Debian (e.g. the initramfs generation, creation of the build symlink, etc.) |
| 03:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what happened to devfs |
| 03:03.18 | mooze | right - but now that its already installed can i just use the mkinitramfs to make the initrd image? |
| 03:03.24 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: superseded by udev |
| 03:03.32 | Wyzard | mooze: Yes, that'll work |
| 03:03.44 | mooze | man mkinitramfs |
| 03:03.56 | mooze | Wyzard: so i guess i need to do man mkinitramfs eh? |
| 03:04.03 | Wyzard | That'd be a good place to start |
| 03:04.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah... ok... got a fairly better idea what udev is, than what devfs is |
| 03:04.21 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: Basically, /dev management isn't really a task that belongs in the kernel |
| 03:04.33 | mooze | LOL!!! thanx guys |
| 03:04.39 | mooze | thanks CutMeOwnThroat, Wyzard |
| 03:05.02 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: udev is a daemon that listens for hardware changes via the kernel's hotplug mechanism, and populates /dev according to a configurable set of rules when those events occur |
| 03:05.32 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: udev also announces hardware changes via dbus to other things, such as HAL |
| 03:06.38 | mooze | Wyzard: just another quick one - the mkinitramfs seems to take the same parameters as the mkinitrd - have i understood correctly? |
| 03:07.22 | Wyzard | mooze: yeah, they're meant to be similar |
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| 03:08.30 | mooze | cool |
| 03:08.38 | mooze | got the new initramfs genereated |
| 03:08.50 | mooze | now - i can't mount it as a loopback device |
| 03:08.59 | mooze | i did a file and says its a gzipped archive |
| 03:09.16 | Wyzard | It is |
| 03:09.19 | Wyzard | gzipped cpio |
| 03:09.19 | mooze | thats a good thing i suppose as the default initrd has a similar output |
| 03:09.31 | Wyzard | initrds were actual filesystem images (typically cramfs) |
| 03:09.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, thx - I roughly knew what udev does... but devfs seems to have been before I had hotpluggable stuff |
| 03:09.42 | mooze | the last time i used linux it was 6 years ago - so i am a bit rusty here ;) |
| 03:09.43 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, it was an early approach |
| 03:10.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... so it didn't ring a bell |
| 03:10.41 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: It was a special filesystem in the kernel, kinda like /proc and /sys |
| 03:10.42 | mooze | Wyzard: yup figured that out |
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| 03:10.59 | Wyzard | CutMeOwnThroat: You'd mount it in /dev, and things would magically appear and disappear in it as drivers were loaded/unloaded |
| 03:11.15 | mooze | awrite guys |
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| 03:11.23 | mooze | thanx - about to do a reboot... |
| 03:11.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... I think I might've even seen that ... but never had to bother with it |
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| 03:14.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | g'night |
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| 03:19.43 | mooze | hey guyz |
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| 03:20.16 | mooze | Wyzard: got a new problem |
| 03:21.27 | mooze | now got past the point where it was trying to mount the devfs stuff |
| 03:21.49 | mooze | however - the process gets stuck after loading drivers for my CDROM |
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| 03:22.47 | mooze | another interesting thing to note is that instead of trying to mount my drives as sda/sdb etc |
| 03:22.57 | mooze | its mounting it as hda,hdb etc |
| 03:24.18 | rking | mooze: but they're SCSI drives? |
| 03:24.30 | mooze | serial ata drives... |
| 03:24.41 | rking | then they'd be /dev/hd? |
| 03:24.48 | rking | /dev/sd? is for SCSI |
| 03:24.55 | mooze | and on the default kernel loads them as sda |
| 03:24.57 | mooze | sdb etc |
| 03:25.07 | rking | hrm... maybe i don't know what i'm talking about. |
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| 03:26.08 | mooze | well - i would've edited the fstab |
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| 03:26.39 | mooze | but i don't want to risk completely destroying my installation... |
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| 03:27.10 | mooze | i mean - once i do that i won't be able to boot the default kernel either coz the mappping will have changed |
| 03:28.07 | Wyzard | mooze: Due to driver changes, some IDE and SATA hard drives that used to be named "hd*" in older kernels are named "sd*" in newer kernels |
| 03:28.42 | Wyzard | rking: /dev/sd* was originally for SCSI, but these days it's just about everything except legacy IDE |
| 03:29.02 | nevyn | under the grand unification of the block layer plan |
| 03:29.05 | Wyzard | rking: USB mass storage devices, FireWire hard drives, and most SATA disks use /dev/sd* |
| 03:30.27 | mooze | Wyzard: then howcome when booting up the log sez hda etc. |
| 03:30.38 | mooze | now what'd i screw up? ;) |
| 03:30.40 | Wyzard | mooze: What kind of SATA controller do you have? |
| 03:30.47 | Wyzard | mooze: and this is a custom-built kernel, right? |
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| 03:32.40 | mooze | Wyzard: custom built - yup |
| 03:33.41 | mooze | IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801GBM/GHM (ICH7 Family) Serial ATA Storage Controller IDE (rev 01) |
| 03:33.56 | Wyzard | mooze: The kernel's legacy IDE subsystem (which uses the "hd*" names) has been superseded by the "libata" framework, which uses the "sd*" names |
| 03:34.33 | Wyzard | mooze: Most SATA drivers use libata, and the legacy PATA drivers are being ported to use it too |
| 03:34.36 | mooze | Wyzard: ok - so i need libata? |
| 03:34.52 | Wyzard | Well, despite the name, it's not actually a library; it's part of the kernel |
| 03:35.05 | Wyzard | but some controllers may have both a "legacy" driver and a libata-based driver |
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| 03:35.14 | mooze | LOL!! if you would have said otherwise - i WOULD have asked you how to load it at boot :) |
| 03:35.17 | Wyzard | so if you left out libata support, you're probably using a legacy driver for that controller |
| 03:35.29 | mooze | DAMN!!! |
| 03:35.34 | Wyzard | You don't need to load libata manually; it should be loaded automatically as a dependency of the module for your controller |
| 03:35.43 | Wyzard | If it's not being loaded, you probably didn't include it in your kernel build |
| 03:36.09 | mooze | i deleted the folder and files... |
| 03:36.26 | mooze | *bangs his head on a wall |
| 03:36.30 | Wyzard | Your ICH7 controller has two drivers: "ata-piix" which is libata-based, and "piix" which is (legacy) ide-core-based |
| 03:36.32 | mooze | bangs his head on a wall |
| 03:36.46 | Wyzard | sounds like you're using the piix driver |
| 03:37.18 | Wyzard | btw, ICH6 and newer support a better interface called AHCI which is highly preferable for SATA controllers in Linux... go into your BIOS and see if there's an option to switch the SATA controller to AHCI mode |
| 03:37.42 | mooze | hmm... will need to reboot to that... |
| 03:37.47 | mooze | anyway i can do it w/o a reboot |
| 03:37.47 | Wyzard | Currently it's operating in legacy ICH5-compatible mode (the default, mainly because Windows XP doesn't support AHCI out-of-the-box) |
| 03:38.07 | mooze | ah - i dual boot - would my XP be affected? |
| 03:38.15 | Wyzard | AHCI is one of the best-supported types of SATA controller in Linux currently -- you get NCQ and hotplug support |
| 03:38.24 | Wyzard | You'd have to install a driver for it in Windows |
| 03:38.54 | Wyzard | You can get the driver from Intel, but installing it is tricky when you have to boot with the hardware present for Windows to detect it, but you can't boot Windows with AHCI enabled until after you install the driver :-) |
| 03:39.04 | Wyzard | Anyway, that's a separate problem; right now you just need libata support in your kernel |
| 03:39.30 | Wyzard | which will probably mean going back to menuconfig and building again |
| 03:39.44 | nevyn | if you can deal with the weekly hangs of the io subsystem |
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| 03:39.48 | mooze | yeah i am in the process of doing that... |
| 03:40.10 | Wyzard | (btw, deleting the kernel build directory right after building is a bad idea... best to keep it around for as long as you use the kernel, actually, because you need it for building out-of-tree modules like the nVidia driver or whatever) |
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| 03:40.20 | Wyzard | Out of curiosity, why are you using a custom kernel in the first place? |
| 03:40.29 | cast | hello, what package should i install to get my apartments water back on |
| 03:40.34 | Wyzard | nevyn: I've had no problems with AHCI or libata |
| 03:42.50 | mooze | Wyzard: coz my default won't detect my PCIe card to connect my eSata drive... :( |
| 03:42.50 | mooze | I came here and was told that i should try to recompile a newer kernel |
| 03:42.50 | Wyzard | Do you know what driver the card needs? |
| 03:42.50 | grendal_prime | hey guys this machine im using right now has been running debian for about 2 years now. few months back it developed this werid permissions problem...(only in the desktop aspect of it) Im running kde on it for the kids and for some reason alot of the applications that would requre sudo root never actually fire up |
| 03:42.50 | mooze | well - not sure actually... |
| 03:42.50 | Wyzard | If it's a driver that's only available in newer kernels, then upgrading the kernel is a good idea, but custom-compiling it is probably not the best way to accomplish that |
| 03:42.56 | Wyzard | backports.org has 2.6.22 packages for etch |
| 03:43.16 | Wyzard | but if you don't know what driver you need, you don't know whether a kernel upgrade will help anyway -- it might be that the card just isn't supported at all |
| 03:43.38 | grendal_prime | for instance the control center app. If i want to install a printer. When i select the administrator option. it prompts me for the root users password and i put it in..but it then hangs there like its stuck in some sort of authenticatiing process.(and it never finishes) |
| 03:43.40 | mooze | well - i know the card works |
| 03:43.43 | Wyzard | btw, if it's eSATA you need, you can get cheap adapters that convert an internal SATA port to an eSATA port |
| 03:43.52 | mooze | the reason i am positive is coz it works from the livecd |
| 03:44.07 | Wyzard | just a plate that goes in one of your card slots, with a short cable on the inside that connects to a SATA port on your motherboard |
| 03:44.16 | Wyzard | no need for another whole controller card |
| 03:44.17 | mooze | :) i am no a laptop... |
| 03:44.20 | Wyzard | ah |
| 03:44.24 | stew | cast: you should install asterisk, then use it to call someone to fix it |
| 03:44.37 | mooze | :D |
| 03:44.56 | Wyzard | Well, what kind of controller card is it? |
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| 03:45.11 | Wyzard | Run lspci and find the eSATA card in the output, and from there you should be able to look up what driver it needs |
| 03:45.22 | mooze | its a PCI express... |
| 03:46.10 | Wyzard | same thing |
| 03:46.15 | mooze | the thing is lspci doesn't show it |
| 03:46.29 | Wyzard | PCIe is different in the wiring and electrical-level signaling, but the same as regular PCI from a software standpoint |
| 03:46.32 | mooze | once i plug it in - nothing happens... |
| 03:46.44 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 03:46.56 | mooze | yup - knew that... |
| 03:46.57 | Wyzard | under the custom kernel, or the stock one? |
| 03:47.00 | mooze | stock |
| 03:47.06 | Wyzard | yet it works from the liveCD? |
| 03:47.10 | mooze | custom is pretty much useless irght now... |
| 03:47.15 | mooze | yup... |
| 03:47.31 | Wyzard | I'd check lspci from the liveCD, then |
| 03:47.48 | mooze | yikes... another reboot... shoot... |
| 03:48.00 | Wyzard | If there's a difference there, that's the first thing you need to troubleshoot |
| 03:48.23 | Wyzard | The whole problem could just be something related to your card slot, and not a lack of a driver for the card itself |
| 03:48.38 | Wyzard | I assume this is an ExpressCard slot, btw? |
| 03:49.47 | Wyzard | If you have any other ExpressCard devices besides the eSATA controller, plug those in and see if they show up in lspci |
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| 03:50.46 | mooze | alas - no other expresscard around... |
| 03:51.00 | mooze | ExpressCard slot is correct... |
| 03:51.12 | mooze | congratulations you just won a free apple iPod ;) |
| 03:51.29 | akio | hey Wyzard, where do i set options for the framebuffer console? do I have to reconfigure the kernel? |
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| 03:52.32 | akio | i see it in /boot/config-* |
| 03:52.52 | akio | its a set to 8x8 and 8x16 |
| 03:53.04 | cast | you pass parameters to the kernel in grubs config |
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| 03:53.20 | akio | where do i read for that |
| 03:54.02 | cast | the file is /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 03:54.17 | cast | as for what you put there, google around, vga=0something |
| 03:54.19 | Wyzard | mooze: I don't have hands-on experience with ExpressCard, unfortunately -- my laptop has a slot, but I have no cards to put in it |
| 03:54.37 | mooze | akio: or you could pass in vga=ask at boot time |
| 03:54.43 | Wyzard | mooze: but I know that CardBus slots (aka "PCMCIA") required a driver for the slot itself, before cards inserted in the slot would be recognized |
| 03:55.03 | mooze | shoot... can't cards like that be hotplugged? |
| 03:55.06 | mooze | like usb drive? |
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| 03:55.22 | Wyzard | mooze: CardBus and ExpressCard both support hotplug, yes |
| 03:55.36 | mooze | Wyzard: but not PnP eh? |
| 03:55.40 | akio | where do i pass that in? at the grub console? |
| 03:55.49 | Wyzard | mooze: even 16-bit PCMCIA does |
| 03:55.57 | mooze | akio: yup... |
| 03:56.08 | akio | im gonna try that, brb |
| 03:56.16 | mooze | akio: hit e to edit the menu at runtime... |
| 03:57.04 | mooze | Wyzard: ok - time to google i guess :D |
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| 03:57.39 | Wyzard | mooze: so as a guess, maybe you're lacking a driver for your ExpressCard slot... but I'd imagine that'd be part of the standard module set, like the "yenta" driver for CardBus slots is |
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| 03:58.31 | mooze | yeah - i am gonna try doing that... |
| 03:58.55 | mooze | if that does not work - not sure what i am gonna try next :( |
| 03:59.40 | ptn107 | question: for my belkin usb wireless adapter, do i need the zd1211-firmware from debians repositories or the zd1211rw driver from sourceforge site |
| 03:59.43 | Wyzard | mooze: and actually, I might be completely wrong anyway -- PCI Express supports hotplug natively, so I'd imagine ExpressCard would just use that, rather than using a special hotplug controller like CardBus did |
| 04:00.00 | Wyzard | mooze: ...maybe you're just lacking PCIe hotplug support overall? |
| 04:00.16 | Wyzard | mooze: See if the card is detected if you power on the laptop with it already in the slot |
| 04:00.25 | Wyzard | is speculating at this point |
| 04:00.29 | mooze | Wyzard: could bei might have missed that |
| 04:00.41 | Wyzard | mooze: That really ought to be in the stock kernel though |
| 04:00.49 | mooze | Wyzard: you'd mentioned something about ICH and AHCI and stuff |
| 04:00.54 | mooze | where are the settings for that? |
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| 04:01.18 | codemasters | hi |
| 04:01.34 | Wyzard | mooze: libata-based drivers like ata-piix and ahci should be in the SCSI block devices section, IIRC |
| 04:01.39 | codemasters | i want to know aabout debian Live Projects |
| 04:01.51 | Wyzard | mooze: but I'm not certain -- I haven't built a custom kernel since 2.6.17 or so (no real need for it anymore) |
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| 04:02.31 | codemasters | just to get started |
| 04:03.14 | peterS | Wyzard: libata has its own section of the config nowadays. |
| 04:03.37 | Wyzard | mooze: hmm... looks like PCIe hotplug support is built as a module in etch's kernel (/boot/config-2.6.18-6-686 contains "CONFIG_HOTPLUG_PCI_PCIE=m") |
| 04:03.42 | Wyzard | peterS: thanks, good to know |
| 04:03.51 | peterS | Wyzard: "Serial ATA (prod) and Parallel ATA (experimental) drivers" |
| 04:03.59 | mooze | yeh - i did a lsmod for it |
| 04:04.02 | peterS | I don't know why they say 'prod' to mean 'production'.. |
| 04:04.07 | mooze | and i noticed that it was loaded.. |
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| 04:04.22 | Wyzard | mooze: What's the name of the module? |
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| 04:05.10 | codemasters | man: this place ain't for beginers |
| 04:05.12 | codemasters | ? |
| 04:05.19 | mooze | pci_hotplug |
| 04:05.27 | Wyzard | codemasters: Debian doesn't have a liveCD |
| 04:05.56 | Wyzard | codemasters: There are some third-party ones (Ubuntu's is probably the most popular) but we don't support those here |
| 04:06.31 | codemasters | Wyzard, the Debian Live Project such as Knoppix, and Artist X, or DSl |
| 04:06.32 | linux_jones | so if i installed just the base system that comes on the net install cd, would i be able to use apt-get to install stuff as i need it? |
| 04:06.36 | \amethyst | Debian does have tools for building your own live CD, though |
| 04:06.52 | codemasters | oh ok |
| 04:06.56 | Wyzard | codemasters: Those are all base don Debian, but they're not Debian |
| 04:07.09 | Wyzard | *based on |
| 04:07.10 | codemasters | oh ok.. |
| 04:07.12 | \amethyst | Debian Live is Debian, though |
| 04:07.16 | linux_jones | by base system i mean just whats on the cd, not actually conect to a mirror and download anything, so i ONLY install what i need |
| 04:07.30 | Rusty1 | http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ << codemasters |
| 04:07.32 | \amethyst | but Knoppix, etc are not Debian Live |
| 04:08.06 | Wyzard | mooze: hmm... assuming pci_hotplug is for PCIe too (which seems reasonable), yet you say the card still doesn't show up in lspci even if you insert it with that module loaded? |
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| 04:08.22 | mooze | yup... |
| 04:08.25 | codemasters | ok Wyzard, thanks for that |
| 04:08.30 | mooze | hold on - lemme gimme a shot again.. |
| 04:08.36 | Wyzard | mooze: and I wonder what caused that module to be loaded on your system -- my laptop, which also has an ExpressCard slot, doesn't have it loaded |
| 04:08.48 | Wyzard | so I doubt it's an automatic thing based on hardware detection |
| 04:09.07 | codemasters | can i install packages built for RH, in Debian ?. |
| 04:09.09 | Wyzard | mooze: Check dmesg after inserting/removing the card |
| 04:09.24 | Wyzard | mooze: and if all else fails, I'd power down fully, then power up with the card already in, just to see what happens |
| 04:09.49 | cast | codemasters: you could, but i wouldnt expect things to work |
| 04:09.53 | Wyzard | codemasters: There's a tool called "alien" that lets you install RPMs, but it's not recommended |
| 04:10.18 | Wyzard | codemasters: RedHat packages are built to work in a RedHat environment and may not work correctly in a Debian environment |
| 04:10.43 | Wyzard | codemasters: It's preferable to stick with Debian's own packages |
| 04:10.44 | mooze | Wyzard: no... boo hoo... |
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| 04:11.11 | mooze | Wyzard: lemme tell you how i ended up here... |
| 04:11.35 | mooze | Wyzard: when I use the installation CD and have the drive connected through the express card |
| 04:12.12 | mooze | it shows up as my primary - which is what i wanted coz i wanted to insall it on my external drive and have a 'clean' install |
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| 04:12.26 | codemasters | Wyzard,am looking for a sofy called Bspice, free ware by Berkley |
| 04:12.33 | Wyzard | mooze: When you stay "installation CD", do you mean Debian's own installation CD? |
| 04:12.34 | mooze | that didn't work coz once i rebooted - the bios didn't detect the card - and grub just crashed on me when i tried to boot linux.. |
| 04:12.39 | mooze | yup... |
| 04:12.46 | Wyzard | mooze: you said "liveCD" earlier and I was assuming you were talking about Ubuntu or something |
| 04:12.55 | heroxbd | Hi! Can I conbine two PCs to make a more powerful one? |
| 04:12.57 | codemasters | Wyzard, are those packages available for debian as well |
| 04:12.58 | mooze | oh no - i stand corrected - i use the netinst... |
| 04:12.58 | Wyzard | (which would have a newer kernel) |
| 04:13.02 | Wyzard | ok |
| 04:13.18 | Wyzard | Well, that's good to know, because it tells you that your controller *is* supported with etch's kernel -- you don't need to build a custom anything |
| 04:13.43 | mooze | Wyzard: anyway - then i figured - if i have my root on my laptop and leave everything else on my external - that way i can do all my experiments w/o destroying my laptop... |
| 04:13.43 | Wyzard | The kernel installed to your hard drive is the same one used by the install CD (or possibly a newer one, if you've applied security updates) |
| 04:13.53 | mooze | Wyzard: that didn't work out that well either... |
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| 04:14.20 | phorce1 | I haven't googled or anything else at this point. How hard is it to put together a Debian based load balancing router that would keep in/out connections as even as possible across 2 or more ADSL connections? |
| 04:14.22 | heroxbd | i.e. Can a cluster be made for personal daily use? |
| 04:14.28 | mooze | coz then it would try to load the drive and well - thins would go downhill from then on... |
| 04:14.43 | mooze | so now - here i am... at my wits end... :(( |
| 04:15.06 | mooze | the thing is - its been a loooong time and i have revisited linux... |
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| 04:15.19 | mooze | so i am a bit out of touch as is... |
| 04:15.35 | phorce1 | heroxbd: I haven't done it, but -- yes |
| 04:16.20 | Wyzard | mooze: You might be able to get the system to boot from the ExpressCard controller by fiddling with the boot-order settings in the BIOS |
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| 04:16.39 | heroxbd | phorce1: Ahh. Any suggestions of references? |
| 04:16.39 | mooze | Wyzard: except my bios doesn't detect the frigging thing... |
| 04:16.46 | phorce1 | heroxbd: You can build a cluster for any use. Nothing says it has to be a server |
| 04:16.52 | xuser | phorce1: iptables, iproute2, tc, lartc.org |
| 04:17.09 | Wyzard | mooze: but it sounds like your Debian problem is just that your card slot isn't working in the installed system even though it works from the install CD |
| 04:17.19 | mooze | Wyzard: i'll just fall back to the orig idea - go to the install cd and do an lspci |
| 04:17.37 | mooze | well - now its gotten to the point where i can't load it at all |
| 04:17.49 | Wyzard | mooze: Doing lspci on the install CD should confirm that the card is indeed recognized in that situation, but it doesn't really help you fix anything |
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| 04:17.58 | phorce1 | heroxbd: http://dcc.irb.hr/ is something I was looking at |
| 04:17.59 | mooze | Wyzard: if i have it connected when i boot from the install cd - my drive order gets messed up |
| 04:18.15 | Wyzard | mooze: drive order in the sense of sda vs. sdb? |
| 04:18.24 | ptn107 | for my belkin usb wireless adapter, do i need the zd1211-firmware from debians repositories or the zd1211rw firmware from sourceforge site? |
| 04:18.25 | mooze | Wyzard: yup |
| 04:18.30 | phorce1 | heroxbd: (and also the first link on a google of "debian cluster" it appears) |
| 04:18.48 | heroxbd | phorce1: Great! Thanks. I will investigate all these. |
| 04:19.06 | mooze | Wyzard: what ends up happening is that everything gets installed to /dev/sdb - the menu.lst sez (hd1,n) |
| 04:19.33 | mooze | Wyzard: and then thats screwed up coz Grub can't see the external drive |
| 04:19.38 | nirupama | can anybody access www.iosn.net |
| 04:19.45 | phorce1 | xuser: thanks. lartc.org was what I was trying to remember for a re-read |
| 04:19.46 | nirupama | can anybody access www.iosn.net |
| 04:19.47 | Wyzard | mooze: yeah, I know what you mean |
| 04:19.48 | mooze | Wyzard: so i go in and change the line to (hd0,n) |
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| 04:20.18 | mooze | Wyzard: and then things go fine - and all of a sudden during the boot process - my external harddrive is detected - and well... S|-|1t happens |
| 04:20.48 | nirupama | can anybody access www.iosn.net |
| 04:22.12 | Wyzard | mooze: There are two aspects to that |
| 04:22.13 | heroxbd | Does a cluster with two nodes have a special name? |
| 04:22.24 | Wyzard | mooze: The (hd1) vs. (hd0) thing and the sda vs. sdb thing |
| 04:23.17 | Wyzard | mooze: (hd1) vs. (hd0) are actually completely independent of sda vs. sdb... the numbers are assigned by the BIOS and the letters are assigned later by the kernel, and they often match up, but they're not required to |
| 04:23.29 | mooze | Wyzard: i realize that |
| 04:23.55 | mooze | but since the installation cd thinks the my external is the primary - it setsup grub accordingly |
| 04:23.58 | Wyzard | mooze: (hd0) is whatever drive the BIOS is booting from |
| 04:24.02 | phorce1 | heroxbd: "small" ?? ;-) |
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| 04:24.43 | mooze | anyway - brb |
| 04:24.47 | Wyzard | mooze: so if your BIOS only knows how to boot from the internal drive, the internal drive should be (hd0) -- if it ends up being called (hd1), the installer is probably guessing wrong at the mapping |
| 04:24.54 | spaceracoonlady | slightly¿ offtopic: what is this http://img217.imageshack.us/my.php?image=l84a3bf92be6919b52a021dlf5.jpg |
| 04:25.06 | mooze | Wyzard: yes thats exactly what i fear |
| 04:25.20 | Wyzard | mooze: You can edit /boot/grub/device.map to fix that |
| 04:25.34 | mooze | but then what about my initrd? |
| 04:25.42 | mooze | thats also gonna be screwed up... |
| 04:25.52 | mooze | and thats the actual issue |
| 04:26.06 | Wyzard | mooze: That brings us to the second issue, sda vs. sdb -- drives changing letters because of controllers being detected in different order |
| 04:26.11 | mooze | anyway - gonna reboot from my installation cd and see what the hecks wrong with the card/slot |
| 04:26.21 | Wyzard | mooze: The way to avoid that is to mount your partitions by label rather than by /dev name |
| 04:26.22 | mooze | Wyzard- sure go ahead |
| 04:26.30 | Wyzard | mooze: I'm pretty sure you can do that from in the installer's partitioning tool |
| 04:27.03 | Wyzard | mooze: Assign your root partition a label of "ROOT", say, and you end up with "DEV=ROOT" instead of "/dev/sda1" in the device column in /etc/fstab |
| 04:27.27 | mooze | Wyzard: before i feel comfortable doing that - is there anywhere i can read up on partition labels in lnux? |
| 04:27.27 | Wyzard | mooze: then your mountpoints are independent of /dev names |
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| 04:27.44 | Wyzard | mooze: Nothing specific that I know of, but I'm sure Google has info |
| 04:27.47 | mooze | that would be great... |
| 04:28.09 | mooze | lemme do taht |
| 04:28.12 | Wyzard | mooze: You can get the same effect by using LVM (which is what I do) |
| 04:28.19 | mooze | if i can just get debian installed on the external hdd |
| 04:28.22 | mooze | that'd be great... |
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| 04:28.47 | Wyzard | and, oops, typo, that's "LABEL=ROOT" in /etc/fstab, not "DEV=ROOT"... but you get the idea |
| 04:30.03 | mooze | Wyzard: yup... :) |
| 04:31.55 | Wyzard | Consider using LVM instead of plain label-based mounting though... it gives you additional flexibility, and it's fairly easy to set up with the Debian installer's partitioner |
| 04:32.43 | cast | whats the cmd to list all the uuids, i thought it was `uuid` :\ |
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| 04:33.21 | mooze | Wyzard: thats exactly what i was thinking right now :) |
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| 04:33.46 | mooze | Wyzard: awrite man - been an education chatting with you |
| 04:34.02 | mooze | will attack this 'morrow prolly |
| 04:34.19 | mooze | Wyzard: thanks and have a good one |
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| 05:03.08 | icewalrus | i can access the remote desktop fine, and play videos, but no sound |
| 05:03.36 | icewalrus | i enabled the network soundsetting in kde's audio preference manager, on both boxes |
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| 05:15.44 | cnfzld | any imagemagick gurus here tonight? |
| 05:16.07 | hughw_ | no |
| 05:16.18 | hughw_ | what would you like to do? |
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| 05:16.31 | cahoot | but there a a few good tuts on IM |
| 05:16.41 | cnfzld | i'm having trouble using imagemagick to crop a screencapture from the commandline the command is: |
| 05:16.53 | cnfzld | convert lin_Raw.png -extract 1223x895+45+83 lin_Raw-out.png |
| 05:17.12 | hughw_ | doesn't work? |
| 05:17.44 | cnfzld | the result is a file that is only 3k smaller than the original 213kB and it still has its original dimensions 1280x1024 |
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| 05:18.17 | cnfzld | i got the offset origin from gimp's crop utility |
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| 05:19.10 | hughw_ | hmm |
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| 05:19.39 | zWW | Hi fellow debian users. |
| 05:19.42 | cnfzld | i've got several folders full of screencaptures that need to be trimmed. |
| 05:20.02 | zWW | Can someone explain me the cleanest way to make my own .deb package for djbdns for etch? |
| 05:20.11 | zWW | There aren't any etch packages now. |
| 05:20.25 | cast | !nmg |
| 05:20.25 | dpkg | hmm... nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/, or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
| 05:20.54 | hughw_ | shouldn't you be using convert -crop? |
| 05:20.55 | hughw_ | http://amath.colorado.edu/computing/software/man/convert.html |
| 05:21.35 | hughw_ | cnfzld, ? |
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| 05:21.52 | cnfzld | hughw_: i can't believe i didn't try that! |
| 05:21.56 | hughw_ | :) |
| 05:22.16 | cnfzld | i feel both dumb and much better all at the same time |
| 05:23.00 | cnfzld | thanks hughw_ |
| 05:25.15 | zWW | cast: there is package in unstable for etch |
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| 05:25.22 | zWW | can I backport that or something ? |
| 05:25.23 | cast | well then |
| 05:25.30 | cast | !tell zWW about simple sid backport |
| 05:27.45 | zWW | cast: I have my own deb repository server |
| 05:27.56 | zWW | how can I cleanly create a package to put on that server |
| 05:27.59 | zWW | for etch? |
| 05:28.34 | cast | dunno, never ran my own repo. dont know how that works |
| 05:28.45 | netdaemon | zWW, checkinstall works for quickies |
| 05:29.18 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 05:29.19 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
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| 05:35.53 | zWW | What is the syntax of asking a Q to dpkg? |
| 05:35.58 | zWW | !ask backports |
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| 05:36.35 | cast | !backports |
| 05:36.36 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 05:36.46 | cast | also !listkeys word |
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| 05:41.17 | Penix | or just /msg dpkg |
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| 06:20.33 | akio | i think i just might be an idiot |
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| 06:21.06 | akio | when loading knoppix you get a nice colorful screen full of activity |
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| 06:21.17 | akio | this is from a framebuffer |
| 06:21.23 | akio | right? |
| 06:21.38 | akio | how do i make all my tty's like that? |
| 06:22.16 | cast | could look at what knoppix does |
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| 06:37.03 | nirupama | how to compile a .glade file |
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| 06:39.28 | nirupama | how to compile a .glade file |
| 06:39.38 | pearl | nirupama: :o) |
| 06:39.41 | pearl | you repeat :D |
| 06:40.00 | nirupama | I am a .glade file and want to run it |
| 06:40.11 | pearl | you are a .glade file? =D |
| 06:40.52 | pearl | nirupama: try to open it with glade? :P |
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| 06:41.03 | nirupama | pearl, after that |
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| 06:41.30 | pearl | i think you can compile it from this software |
| 06:42.26 | nirupama | pearl, from which software |
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| 06:43.00 | pearl | nirupama: glade, how i said |
| 06:43.19 | nirupama | pearl, yes I have opened it with glade |
| 06:43.28 | nirupama | but there is no run option as previous |
| 06:43.30 | pearl | ok, then click the build button |
| 06:44.08 | nirupama | pearl, its not there |
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| 06:44.21 | pearl | i have the software opened too |
| 06:44.31 | pearl | and there is definitively a "build"-button |
| 06:45.46 | nirupama | pearl, its glade 3 |
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| 06:45.56 | nirupama | and I dont find any built button |
| 06:46.08 | pearl | ok, i have glade 2 |
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| 06:47.50 | Penix | nirupama: glade's not what you may be thinking it is |
| 06:48.09 | nirupama | Penix, how can I run a file |
| 06:48.29 | Penix | nirupama: you don't it. you load it in to glade and do whatever you want to the interface design |
| 06:48.45 | Penix | nirupama: then you write actual code that loads that file to create a UI |
| 06:48.47 | nirupama | Penix, I did not get u |
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| 06:48.54 | Penix | along with all the code to actually *do* stuff |
| 06:49.14 | Penix | nirupama: a glade file is just an interface description of sorts. there's no actual application code/logic involved |
| 06:49.15 | pearl | nirupama: glade is a gui designer |
| 06:49.29 | nirupama | Penix, yes |
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| 06:49.51 | nirupama | Penix, I just opened glade and inserted a button |
| 06:49.54 | pearl | a click-click-got-a-gui software :D |
| 06:49.56 | nirupama | Penix, now what i need to do |
| 06:50.02 | Penix | nirupama: save the file, obviously |
| 06:50.04 | nirupama | pearl, any tutorial |
| 06:50.09 | nirupama | Penix, then |
| 06:50.20 | Penix | nirupama: then what? you've done what you wanted to do |
| 06:50.24 | Penix | nirupama: glade doesn't do anything else |
| 06:50.48 | Penix | nirupama: it's not some magical application builder you seem to think it is. you design *interfaces* with it |
| 06:51.07 | cast | lol @ dpkg p0rn, http://www.pornolize.com/pornolize4?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.debian.org&submit=Translate |
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| 06:56.21 | foureyes779 | I know that Kdevelop and QTdesign have a good tutoral on Designing UI and programming. can I post a link here ? |
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| 06:56.30 | pmyshkin | how does the #!/prog thing at the beginning of a script work? Does the shell pass the contents of the script to stdin of the prog? |
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| 06:57.30 | Penix | pmyshkin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
| 06:57.52 | pmyshkin | Penix: thanks |
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| 07:00.51 | nirupama | Penix, any tutorial |
| 07:01.29 | Penix | nirupama: for what? doing what you already did and clicking save? |
| 07:03.45 | nirupama | Penix, how to write code now |
| 07:03.52 | nirupama | Penix, for that button |
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| 07:04.58 | Penix | nirupama: figure out which language you want to spend a lot of time learning, then use google like everyone else |
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| 07:07.35 | gynterk | glade != visual c++ |
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| 07:08.51 | gynterk | I have a problem |
| 07:08.55 | gynterk | the thing is not printing :D |
| 07:09.34 | gynterk | printer is in 192.168.4.0/24 machine is in 194.168.0.0/24 (different vlans), i have access to printer (tagged vlan) |
| 07:09.42 | gynterk | but cupsys somehow can't find it |
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| 07:09.49 | gynterk | HP LaserJet 1320n |
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| 07:11.16 | gynterk | cupsys error log is empty |
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| 07:12.20 | streuner_ | CUPS logs are not useful |
| 07:13.04 | streuner_ | it works or NOT, in the last case logs about cups usually arent helpful... |
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| 07:13.29 | streuner_ | gynterk: first time you want configure that printer? |
| 07:13.43 | gynterk | yes |
| 07:13.55 | gynterk | odd thing is taht it worked in same subnet |
| 07:13.58 | streuner_ | look at linuxprinting.org |
| 07:14.00 | gynterk | vlan not subnet |
| 07:14.12 | gynterk | but in different vlans with winxp machines it works fine |
| 07:14.24 | streuner_ | hm# |
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| 07:14.34 | gynterk | and cupsys sees the printer |
| 07:14.44 | gynterk | says its accepting jobs, but it just doesn't print |
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| 07:16.33 | alcohol | does debian support the mlockall() function call? |
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| 07:19.27 | Shadur | w.t.f. Clamd crashed this morning and now it's refusing to create its ctl file when I try to restart it - or in fact show anything in the logs no matter what I adjust in the conf file. |
| 07:20.40 | gynterk | but how can I make sure if cupsys really sees the printer ? |
| 07:20.58 | Shadur | Try to print a test page. |
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| 07:21.20 | ELIVE1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:21.38 | gynterk | wth? |
| 07:21.40 | gynterk | E [16/Apr/2008:10:19:06 +0300] [cups-driverd] Unable to open PPD directory "/opt/share/ppd": No such file or directory |
| 07:21.52 | ELIVE1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.07 | gynterk | /usr/share/ppd/openprinting/HP/HP_LaserJet_1320_Series.ppd.gz this is the path to my driver |
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| 07:23.35 | maxuu | good evening all |
| 07:26.36 | liable | hola |
| 07:26.39 | ELIVE1 | good morning from here |
| 07:27.31 | gynterk | I just can't understad.... |
| 07:27.36 | gynterk | i hate my printer :( |
| 07:29.34 | enouf | anybody mind helping me translate a few words of German to English ? what does "Verknüpfung mit Ordner" mean if listed under "Type" column in Gnome Search Tool ? pic of tool , http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/gnome-search-tool.jpg |
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| 07:30.16 | Zoup | Hi :) is there any way for Debian installer to deny 'simple passwords' for root ? |
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| 07:32.32 | maxuu | Zoup: the debian installer asks you whether you want to have a simple password |
| 07:32.33 | enouf | i think if you choose to Shadow passwords, PAM has a module that will enforce a certain strength only passwd - or atleast a certain minimum char limit |
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| 07:33.55 | Zoup | Humm ... i wonder how it would be possible to automated that in preseed installation , any idea ? |
| 07:34.02 | maxuu | for a while I was lazy and wouldn't use anything but the letter z as the password, then my laziness got to the point where I didn't feel like having to tell the debian installer "yes, I really want to use that password" twice each time I installed |
| 07:34.13 | maxuu | so now I use a good password |
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| 07:34.29 | Shadur | I've got a pretty basic setup here: debian server running postfix, with amavis acting as a filter that calls clamav. It's been working just fine for years, but sometime last night clamav seems to have died suddenly and unexpectedly with the message "ERROR: reload db failed: Unable to lock database directory". |
| 07:34.35 | Shadur | So far I've tried restarting it several times, but while it does start it doesn't create the clamd.ctl file - but no matter what I've tried so far it refuses to tell me why it won't create anything. Enabling debug mode in the config file didn't help any more than running clamd debug did. |
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| 07:34.40 | Shadur | ... What's more, I just tried to strace clamd foreground and the thing still detached itself into the background. |
| 07:35.26 | gynterk | is this "Standard TCP/IP printer" in win same as "AppSocket" in cupsys? |
| 07:35.37 | gynterk | i mean raw network printer |
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| 07:44.27 | debian | Hello |
| 07:44.31 | debian | I'm back |
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| 07:51.48 | fireba11 | anyone knows a memory test that can check 8 GB ram ? memtest(+) seems to hit the 4gb-border ^^ |
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| 07:55.51 | aspWork | hi guys, i am running sid, and whenever i change the savedefault to true in the menu.lst it gets set back to false if i run update-grub, am i missing something? |
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| 07:57.50 | cast | # updatedefaultentry=false |
| 07:57.57 | cast | you mean that keeps getting reset? |
| 07:57.59 | Trevelyan` | keeping the # |
| 07:58.06 | aspWork | no, the savedefault=true |
| 07:58.15 | aspWork | it is returned to # savedefault=false |
| 07:58.31 | Trevelyan` | there is no savedefault=true for grub or update-grub |
| 07:58.44 | esteel | aspWork: iirc you have to keep the # .. maybe you removed it? |
| 07:58.56 | aspWork | ## should update-grub add savedefault to the default options |
| 07:58.56 | aspWork | ## can be true or false |
| 07:58.56 | aspWork | # savedefault=false |
| 07:58.59 | aspWork | aha, keep the # |
| 07:59.31 | aspWork | now it works, thnx |
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| 07:59.38 | Trevelyan` | options to update-grub are comments to grub |
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| 08:13.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | what is the difference between cdebootstrap and debootstrap |
| 08:13.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | ? |
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| 08:17.48 | liable | debootstrap implemented in c? i think its like cdebconf. |
| 08:18.05 | liable | presumes |
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| 08:19.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, that looks likely |
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| 08:21.13 | gynterk | I just can't get it |
| 08:21.26 | Lagbolt | cant get what |
| 08:21.30 | gynterk | lpq says |
| 08:21.41 | gynterk | $> HP_LaserJet_1320n is ready $> no entries |
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| 08:21.47 | gynterk | but it just doesn't print |
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| 08:21.56 | gynterk | nothing in error_log |
| 08:22.00 | gynterk | cupsys 1.3.2 |
| 08:22.28 | Lagbolt | i have done no print setup here |
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| 08:27.29 | Dave_is_sexy | Hi guys. Does anyone know how to add a Ubuntu-like graphical / load-bar start-up sequence? |
| 08:27.50 | hetauma | hi. Can some1 tell me why there is on emerald on debian ? |
| 08:28.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell Dave_is_sexy about uspash |
| 08:28.33 | SlimeyPete | erm, usplash, surely? |
| 08:28.38 | gynterk | bootsplash |
| 08:28.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | SlimeyPete, yeah, typo |
| 08:29.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ping |
| 08:29.03 | dpkg | pong |
| 08:29.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | !usplash |
| 08:29.18 | gynterk | !help |
| 08:29.19 | Antti | !weather, !kernel, !sysinfo, !sms |
| 08:29.19 | Zoup | !tell Zoup about bootsplash |
| 08:29.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | stupid bot pongs but wont give help |
| 08:29.26 | hetauma | !emerald |
| 08:29.36 | Dave_is_sexy | ok thanks, i get uspash / bootsplash. I'll go set one up. Cheers |
| 08:29.40 | Zoup | nice! |
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| 08:30.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | gynterk, lots of ops have !help set to ping them, so you may not want to do that |
| 08:30.10 | Antti | !weather, !kernel, !sysinfo, !sms |
| 08:30.25 | gynterk | i can see that... |
| 08:30.40 | Shadowcat | hmmm |
| 08:30.49 | Shadowcat | when did we get another bot in here? |
| 08:31.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | Shadowcat, which one? |
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| 08:32.18 | gynterk | hmh |
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| 08:34.14 | agnitio | oh, this is driving me nuts, I can't get iwl3945 working properly in lenny, and I don't know what to do |
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| 08:34.37 | gynterk | do you see me ? |
| 08:34.37 | gynterk | it seems my printing problem is from VLAN-s |
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| 08:34.45 | zWW | Hi |
| 08:34.49 | gynterk | hmm |
| 08:34.51 | gynterk | it seems my printing problem is from vlans |
| 08:34.52 | agnitio | I'm having the same issue as this bug: http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1454 |
| 08:34.53 | zWW | While building a deb package |
| 08:34.55 | zWW | I get this error |
| 08:34.57 | zWW | buffer.a(buffer_put.o): In function `allwrite': |
| 08:34.57 | zWW | buffer_put.c:(.text+0x3b): undefined reference to `errno' |
| 08:34.58 | zWW | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 08:35.02 | zWW | does someone has an idea? |
| 08:35.23 | agnitio | when the module loads I get this error message: "iwl3945: WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC" and that my kill switch is on |
| 08:35.42 | agnitio | however, when I try to turn it off using the acpi button, I get the same message again, saying it's on |
| 08:36.08 | gynterk | My machine is in 192.168.0.024 (vlan2) and printer is in 192.168.4.0/24 (vlan6). I can access printers web interface, and lpq says printer is ready, but it just don't print. |
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| 08:38.20 | py_ | hello |
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| 08:39.27 | py_ | I know how to fill a hard-drive with 0x00 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdX. But how can I fill the drive with 0xFF? There is no such thing as /dev/one to read from... |
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| 08:40.45 | cmatheson | i have system that's using lvm that's partitioned poorly. is it feasible to shrink one partition and grow another? |
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| 08:42.59 | petemc | cmatheson: lvm partitions? yes |
| 08:44.04 | cmatheson | petemc: great, could you point me towards the appropriate docs? everything i'm googling for seems out of date |
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| 08:44.17 | WormFood | What god do I have to pray to, to make the snd_intel8x0 drivers work when I come out of hibernate mode? It seems to work if I unload and reload the drivers, but that is a pain in the ass when I have audio applications open |
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| 08:44.30 | dokma | hi guys |
| 08:44.33 | SparFux | How am I supposed to use multiple smarthosts with the exim4 debian configuration? |
| 08:45.23 | dokma | my systray clock shows 12:43 and when I right click it and choose adjust date and time the utility that opens shows 10:43 which is correct |
| 08:45.35 | dokma | how do I make the tray clock show the correct time? |
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| 08:47.46 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:47.46 | dpkg | well, qotd158 is <paulswm> They don't make 2.25 ton mass storage drives any more :( |
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| 08:48.28 | gynterk | solved my problem |
| 08:48.40 | gynterk | firewall DROPped connection between 2 vlans |
| 08:48.44 | gynterk | on port 9100 |
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| 08:49.18 | mhymn | dokma: gnome or kde or ...? |
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| 08:50.54 | N3bunel | saluta |
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| 08:54.22 | ShredZ | I have a .iso from a debian disc that I would like apt to use. How do I make it work without burning the file to a disc ? |
| 08:54.22 | ronr | I run a debian stable mailsystem that uses clamav for mailscanning, however I get all sorts of messages about outdated clamav but it is the newest in backports (0.91 where clamav is currently at 0.93), I'd prefer not to go to a stable - unstable mix system, but I do want clamav to be able to download new virus signatures, any ideas? |
| 08:55.04 | ShredZ | I have the thing mounted as loop back device but apt-cdrom doesn't seem to notice this |
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| 08:56.56 | tarzeau | ShredZ: did you tell it where to look? |
| 08:57.03 | tarzeau | ShredZ: if you did the loop back mount it must be somewhere... |
| 08:57.37 | ShredZ | tarzeau, so I just tell it -d /media/debian for instance ? |
| 08:58.05 | tarzeau | ShredZ: i don't know, i've never used it, if the docs say so |
| 08:58.08 | lea\ | whats the best way to create a package that adds a group to the system and sets all files installed by the package to that group? |
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| 09:05.43 | hetauma | hi from sessions/ start up programs/ I deleted the volume manager. Can some1 please tell me what it was running there? |
| 09:06.57 | cast | prob lvm stuffs. |
| 09:07.24 | cast | oh, wait...gnome thing...nfi. |
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| 09:10.22 | XoX | why isn't a .Xauthority file being created on my home dir ? |
| 09:10.23 | XoX | when i login |
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| 09:10.27 | XoX | with gdm |
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| 09:24.09 | cder | what is the minimum amount of X you can place on etch is it xorg plus say flushbox? |
| 09:24.26 | cast | well |
| 09:24.27 | cast | its just X. |
| 09:24.32 | SlayerXP | cder: <----------------> that much X |
| 09:24.35 | SlayerXP | (not to scale) |
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| 09:25.27 | Chiku | hello |
| 09:26.11 | cder | cast: thanks your a star |
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| 09:26.56 | cder | SlayerXP: <----------------not to scale----------> |
| 09:27.34 | Tassoman | wich rule to pin to previous version of package? I can't get it very well |
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| 09:28.40 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
| 09:28.50 | cast | hi |
| 09:28.52 | Rapp | where can i find the bash info documentation? which package? |
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| 09:31.24 | themill | !info bash-doc |
| 09:32.31 | themill | Rapp: bash-doc |
| 09:32.37 | themill | dpkg: you suck |
| 09:32.38 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
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| 09:32.51 | cast | does bash-doc have the info stuff in it though? |
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| 09:33.34 | Rapp | themill: bash-doc does not have info manuals |
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| 09:33.49 | themill | Rapp: ahh sorry... it's all examples, isn't it. :( |
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| 09:34.23 | Tassoman | Rapp: what about man bash? |
| 09:34.59 | themill | Rapp: Debian doesn't ship an info page for bash. But info bash will show you the man page instead. |
| 09:36.15 | Rapp | Tassoman, themill: the manpage is less complete and not as easy to navigate |
| 09:37.00 | themill | Rapp: I have trouble envisaging that there is anything longer than man bash around. But it is certainly harder to navigate, unless, like me, you hate info. |
| 09:37.52 | Rapp | info rules. especially in the form of a printed PDF ;) |
| 09:38.03 | themill | printed? |
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| 09:39.17 | themill | !dbugs 427804 |
| 09:39.21 | dpkg | #427804:I[bash] bash: missing info documentation; Wed, 6 Jun 2007 14:06:02 UTC |
| 09:40.06 | themill | !dbugs 466120 |
| 09:40.10 | dpkg | #466120:W[wnpp] ITP: bash-doc-reference -- The Bash Reference Manual; Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:51:01 UTC |
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| 09:49.15 | lost_soul | gm everyone |
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| 09:50.39 | muhah | how do i make a bootcd from my system |
| 09:50.48 | muhah | are there any docs on that |
| 09:50.55 | cast | hmm |
| 09:51.07 | muhah | cast: youre thinking |
| 09:51.11 | cast | well there is a package to attempt it |
| 09:51.19 | cast | never worked for me though :\ |
| 09:51.28 | muhah | sounds good |
| 09:52.06 | cast | there's debian live, too |
| 09:52.19 | muhah | debian sucks at desktops |
| 09:52.46 | cast | now now, lets not let your ignorance shine through too brightly |
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| 09:52.54 | muhah | haha |
| 09:53.04 | muhah | im trying openbox |
| 09:53.37 | muhah | i bet debian live has kde or gnome |
| 09:53.52 | cast | well |
| 09:54.13 | muhah | kde |
| 09:54.21 | cast | i think its easy enough to remaster it |
| 09:54.30 | muhah | ach so |
| 09:54.37 | azeem | muhah: why do you need a bootcd anyway? |
| 09:54.55 | muhah | [INFO]You are now ignoring azeem. |
| 09:55.00 | muhah | ignored |
| 09:56.36 | cast | [192643] Ignoring ALL from muhah |
| 09:57.40 | muhah | lol @ cast |
| 09:58.16 | muhah | so your telling me to take a debian live cd and boot it and change it to my likings and then rewrite it |
| 09:58.46 | azeem | muhah: please keep it on topic |
| 09:59.08 | fireba11 | hi .. i just noticed my exim4 on debian etch does accept mails to foo@bar.com even if foo is not a configured user account or alias. what setting do i need to change to have it only accept mail for known users ? |
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| 10:07.09 | SparFux | in exim4, isn't there a bydns_a? |
| 10:07.42 | SlayerXP | SparFux: routing via A records is deprecated |
| 10:08.10 | SparFux | How can I replace it? |
| 10:09.09 | SparFux | I am trying to do this: http://www.tgunkel.de/docs/exim_smarthosts.en |
| 10:09.37 | SparFux | I think I can simply replace it with byname |
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| 10:16.53 | SparFux | Can I simply use bydns instead? |
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| 10:24.57 | crumblenaut | im using a debian kernel, and i want to install vmware. how can i get the kernel source directory to match the running kernel? |
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| 10:27.12 | themill | crumblenaut: you probably only need the headers package. linux-headers-$(uname -r) for example |
| 10:27.28 | cast | crumblenaut: prob only need to...what themill said. there are better alternatives to vmware, fwiw :) |
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| 10:27.41 | lobomufas | hi there |
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| 10:31.47 | crumblenaut | themill: not true, its wanting includes/version.h which apparently only exists after the kernel has been built |
| 10:31.55 | crumblenaut | i would imagine building it with defaults might cause conflicts |
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| 10:32.10 | mishal | hello! im debian newbie and im trying to rebuild proftpd package with mod_vroot enabled.. googling doesnt help.. im running debian etch |
| 10:34.16 | themill | crumblenaut: hmmm... there's also the linux-kbuild packages which are designed for that. I'm don't think I've ever had kernel source around when futzing with vmware. BTW /msg dpkg vmware-package <= never used it myself but designed to make things easier. |
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| 10:37.05 | mishal | could someone rebuild the package for me? |
| 10:37.57 | cast | maybe if you were a cute girl geographically close, or offered money |
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| 10:38.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | mishal, why do you need it rebuilt ? |
| 10:39.03 | fireba11 | how tu turn on recipient verification with exim4 split config the debian way? :-) |
| 10:39.25 | mishal | Kamping_Kaiser: I need mod_vroot enabled.. |
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| 10:41.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | mishal, and its been disabled? |
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| 10:42.45 | lobomufas | have someone here done some snmp mib expanding the enterprises branch? i'm getting sick... |
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| 10:43.37 | mishal | Kamping_Kaiser: its no available by default.. i already downloaded that module from http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ and now i would like to rebuild the proftpd with that module.. |
| 10:43.52 | mishal | Kamping_Kaiser: im noob :( |
| 10:44.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | !compile |
| 10:44.04 | dpkg | tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg |
| 10:44.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | not sure about a factoid for recompiling a strait pacakge (other then ssb) |
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| 10:47.10 | mishal | i found something here: not sure if its ok http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/rebuilding-ubuntu-debian-linux-binary-package/ |
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| 10:52.57 | vsd | services either run as daemons either are started by inetd? |
| 10:53.10 | tarzeau | vsd: usually |
| 10:53.37 | tarzeau | vsd: but you can also run a process started from cront with @reboot (i do that even inside a gnu screen, so you can check what's going on, if the thing doesn't log stuff) |
| 10:53.44 | vsd | and those run by init? |
| 10:53.54 | tarzeau | vsd: by the internet daemon? |
| 10:54.04 | vsd | hm? |
| 10:54.06 | tarzeau | vsd: see /etc/inetd.conf |
| 10:54.17 | tarzeau | man inetd |
| 10:54.18 | vsd | not inetd, init |
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| 10:54.25 | tarzeau | well init is /etc/init.d/ |
| 10:54.43 | tarzeau | there's a README in there |
| 10:54.45 | vsd | those are those that runs as daemons? |
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| 10:54.51 | tarzeau | vsd: no |
| 10:55.11 | tarzeau | vsd: those are things that are processed on run level changes (usually starts or kills) |
| 10:55.16 | vsd | tarzeau, where are those that run as daemons |
| 10:55.21 | tarzeau | vsd: some are just some small job |
| 10:55.29 | tarzeau | vsd: also there, depends what software you mean |
| 10:55.45 | tarzeau | vsd: which software? what daemon? |
| 10:55.49 | tarzeau | vsd: it's not consistent |
| 10:55.52 | vsd | like apadche |
| 10:55.54 | vsd | *apache |
| 10:56.15 | tarzeau | vsd: yes that's in there, try man update-rc.d |
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| 10:59.39 | vsd | i get could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1 for ServerName |
| 10:59.44 | vsd | how can i fix this? |
| 11:00.04 | dokma | 127.0.1.1 ? |
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| 11:01.48 | vsd | that's what it says |
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| 11:02.23 | gynterk | it's possible to use postfix with ldap right? |
| 11:02.38 | vsd | nvm |
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| 11:03.31 | makdaknife | gynterk: right |
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| 11:03.47 | SparFux | How to use tls with exim? |
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| 11:05.09 | makdaknife | SparFux: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/000453.html |
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| 11:10.56 | TuxCrafter | hi guys |
| 11:11.16 | TuxCrafter | the asoundconf version of debian sid is to old and broken |
| 11:11.57 | TuxCrafter | i just come from the asla channel where they gave me a new version that solved some issues |
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| 11:20.16 | Haris1 | Hello people |
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| 11:20.33 | Haris1 | I'v heard alot of sarcasm, yet no one knew about net.core.somaxconn, net.ipv4.tcp_max_syn_backlog, net.core.netdev_max_backlog. I'm still having problem when I have two ISPs hooked into a debian box. Anyone got a fix yet? |
| 11:20.43 | zamba | i need a way to block certain web hosts on my NAT-ed network.. what tool/solution is best for this? |
| 11:20.49 | SparFux | makdaknife: I mean using exim4 as a tls client. |
| 11:20.55 | zamba | setting up some proxy or can i do it on some other level? |
| 11:21.10 | zamba | i don't want to block IPs but web hosts |
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| 11:24.32 | crumblenaut | how do you get the build directory in /lib/modules/<version>/build ? |
| 11:24.33 | crumblenaut | i dont have the build directory, but vmware server seems to need it |
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| 11:27.26 | aspWork | Hi guys, i am running gnome 2.22 under debian with composite enabled on a nvidia 8600 card. The resize of my transparent terminals are really slow. Anybody know whats up with that? If i disable composite it goes back to normal?! |
| 11:28.04 | adv_ | how do i clear my postfix log? |
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| 11:29.19 | crumblenaut | how do i build the kernel with kbuild? |
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| 11:32.00 | chingis | aspWork, do you have the drivers for your card installed? |
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| 11:36.07 | sysadmin-lb22 | hey all I purchased a certificate from thawte ...I am using it on apache however everytime I start the server it asks me for the passphrase..any way to make it load without asking for the passphrase ? |
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| 11:37.11 | mquin | sysadmin-lb22: you need to create an unencrypted copy |
| 11:37.16 | SparFux | The manual says, exim4 will authenticate by tls automatically, but this doesn't seem to work here. |
| 11:37.41 | aspWork | chemist, yes, the latest from nvidia |
| 11:37.44 | sysadmin-lb22 | mquin, must I do that or ..should the thawte guys do that |
| 11:38.03 | mquin | sysadmin-lb22: you need to |
| 11:38.07 | mquin | openssl rsa -in server.key -out server.key.insecure |
| 11:38.11 | aspWork | *chingis, darn autocomplete |
| 11:38.21 | aspWork | 169.12 |
| 11:38.41 | sysadmin-lb22 | mquin and then I take the output and use it as a certificate with the apache server instead of the current certificate ? |
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| 11:39.02 | chingis | that's weird, I had my issues with xfce solved when I installed drivers |
| 11:39.02 | mquin | sysadmin-lb22: the password is on the key, not the certificate |
| 11:39.14 | sysadmin-lb22 | mquin, got that thxI will try that |
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| 11:39.20 | KaiSVK | hi all |
| 11:39.28 | aspWork | chingis, what version of the drivers? |
| 11:39.29 | mquin | sysadmin-lb22: but yes, you tell apache to use the output of that (server.key.insecure) |
| 11:40.39 | chingis | 100.14.19 works for me, aspWork |
| 11:40.47 | adv_ | what should i have in /etc/hosts apart from 127.0.0.1 localhost? |
| 11:40.57 | aspWork | perhaps i should downgrade |
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| 11:42.31 | chingis | try to downgrade, downgrading helped me on gentoo when I updated my driver to the latest version and it kept hanging |
| 11:43.01 | aspWork | strange, glxinfo gives me: |
| 11:43.09 | aspWork | name of display: :0.0 |
| 11:43.09 | aspWork | Error: glXCreateContext failed |
| 11:43.18 | aspWork | that cant be good? |
| 11:43.45 | adv_ | anyone |
| 11:43.55 | chingis | not quite sure, but looks like it reads data from xorg.conf (name of display, etc) |
| 11:43.59 | chingis | that doesn't help much |
| 11:44.11 | chingis | try to follow this guide: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10812 |
| 11:44.15 | aspWork | thnx |
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| 11:50.53 | sidhartha | hello everybody |
| 11:50.59 | gynterk | elloooo |
| 11:51.17 | sidhartha | i'm running debian lenny |
| 11:52.32 | sidhartha | last week at the lug somebody told me about Adept, as i'm using aptitude from a long time now, i would like to know your opinion about adept, because i fear graphical update tools |
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| 11:53.32 | nevyn | according to a singificant kde hacker adept is unmaintained. |
| 11:53.44 | nevyn | but that could be wrong |
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| 11:55.59 | sidhartha | oki so i should keep my old style |
| 11:56.02 | sidhartha | ;) |
| 11:56.17 | sidhartha | thank you nevyn |
| 11:56.48 | Trevelyan` | adept only seems to be available in etch, so it looks like it has been dropped? |
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| 11:57.41 | sidhartha | strange ifit has been drop why is it in the stable branch ? |
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| 11:58.10 | Trevelyan` | because its the stable branch, you don't go removing stuff. |
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| 11:58.32 | sidhartha | ok |
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| 11:58.46 | sidhartha | i didn't see things like that |
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| 11:58.58 | sidhartha | thank you for your answers |
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| 12:00.35 | tarzeau | does someone run debian on a sun fire v100 sparc box? |
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| 12:01.02 | larsemil | and does someone run debian on a dell poweredge 2950III |
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| 12:04.43 | cast | !someone |
| 12:04.43 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:07.35 | Trevelyan` | i'm sure plenty of people run debian on a variety of PE. |
| 12:08.27 | chingis | if I restrict access of regular local users to /boot limiting it to root only, will it improve security somehow? |
| 12:08.39 | cast | no. |
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| 12:08.47 | cast | thats a stupid idea |
| 12:09.04 | chingis | securing debian manual lied to me |
| 12:09.12 | chingis | any specific directories I should secure then, cast? |
| 12:09.43 | cast | so you have untrusted users logging in eh? |
| 12:09.56 | chingis | correct.. |
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| 12:10.18 | cast | i'd do some sand boxing with some virtualization technology if you can afford the overhead |
| 12:10.26 | cast | vserver is pretty low overhead, though, |
| 12:10.44 | cast | wouldn't be as secure as using xen though |
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| 12:11.04 | cast | they could still root their virtual machine, just not everyone elses :) |
| 12:11.22 | pjv | what's a good pvr software to use? |
| 12:11.30 | chingis | that sounds promising |
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| 12:12.12 | dot1 | hello |
| 12:13.08 | larsemil | cast: well i am looking for someone to discuss the dell server with.. |
| 12:13.11 | cast | the disk overhead isn't that bad for each vm if you act smartly, you could make a single VM on a LVM volume, then take 50 snapshots. now you have 50 VMs currently taking up the space of 1 VM |
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| 12:16.27 | Trevelyan` | larsemil, just say what your issue to the whole channel, and maybe some would be able to answer. |
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| 12:17.33 | Trevelyan` | cast, chingis you can share /usr making sure it backing is not writable by vm in the host. |
| 12:19.21 | strikov | Please look at my apt-get error (http://paste.debian.net/897/plain/897). BTS it's great bu how can i install some packages before this problem will be solved? |
| 12:19.23 | strikov | Thanks |
| 12:19.58 | azeem | strikov: eh, which arch? |
| 12:20.03 | chingis | strikov, download some .deb packages manually and install them using dpkg |
| 12:20.16 | strikov | azeem: lenny |
| 12:20.56 | [kladizkov] | is Debian Beryl Repository up to date? |
| 12:21.12 | [kladizkov] | how can i find the last update time of this repo? |
| 12:21.37 | strikov | chingis: and can i somehow fix old coreutils version and download smth ignoring core-utils configure error? |
| 12:23.00 | fireba11 | my exim4 on etch is acceppting mails for non-existent local users .. can someone help me find the error ? |
| 12:23.12 | cast | there an exim channel? |
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| 12:24.07 | strikov | Are there any `lenny` users. Do you have coreutils configure problem? |
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| 12:24.54 | o2T7 | Hi, how could I make the mbr of a win only machine point to the right boot from a temporary debian? |
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| 12:25.08 | [kladizkov] | which is better for debian...compiz or beryl? |
| 12:25.40 | cast | shrugs |
| 12:26.26 | cast | o2T7: use a cd/floppy to bootstrap |
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| 12:27.16 | fireba11 | well etch provides config that should do that already .. so i just have to spot my error why it's not working |
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| 12:27.34 | cast | o2T7: that said you might be able to use the win bootloader to boot debian, dunno how though |
| 12:27.40 | o2T7 | cast: I thought of copying another machine's (pointing to the first partition of the first disk too) mbr into a usb drive and dd'ing it onto the broken one |
| 12:28.00 | cast | o2T7: would be easier to boot off a livecd and grub-install |
| 12:28.17 | cast | o2T7: oh, so whats broken? |
| 12:28.22 | o2T7 | cast: Yes, but _without_ a permanent debian install |
| 12:28.36 | o2T7 | I think that it is just the mbr |
| 12:28.58 | cast | so you have a windows machine with a broken mbr |
| 12:29.08 | cast | so how does a temporary debian come into this :| |
| 12:29.24 | o2T7 | cast: That's it, and with a debian based live running on it |
| 12:30.12 | cast | what does 'debian based live running on it' mean |
| 12:30.12 | o2T7 | cast: And an also broken win rescue disk. That's why i thought that debian might do the magic |
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| 12:30.45 | o2T7 | cast: Sorry for my english. I mean a livecd of a debian based distro |
| 12:30.51 | Trevelyan` | [kladizkov], compiz and beryl merged some time ago to become compiz-fusion, and compiz-fusion is available to debian testing/unstable |
| 12:30.53 | zamuro | cast: Probably knoppix or ubuntu |
| 12:31.13 | o2T7 | zamuro: An old light troppix |
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| 12:31.29 | cast | o2T7: ok so your problem has approximately nothing to do with debian :P i'd install grub in the mbr personally |
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| 12:32.05 | Trevelyan` | o2T7, see if your debian live cd has a command line tool called 'mbr' or if you can install it. |
| 12:32.11 | o2T7 | cast: Sure :D, perhaps doesn't make too sense pretending to solve with debian a win problem |
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| 12:32.22 | Trevelyan` | if so use that to put ms style mbr back on the disk. |
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| 12:34.48 | Trevelyan` | o2T7, failing that use grub to chainload the windows partition (by-passing the mbr, or by having grub on the mbr). once in windows run: fdisk /mbr |
| 12:34.57 | o2T7 | Trevelyan`: I've just installed it |
| 12:36.36 | o2T7 | Trevelyan`: That's what i had thoght of: bypassing the mbr |
| 12:37.08 | Trevelyan` | when ever i create a live cd i replace isolinux with grub, just because it can be handy to have grub for other things like this. |
| 12:37.38 | o2T7 | Trevelyan`: On grub's syntax guide i can see "chainloader [--force] FILE", should be FILE the boot.ini file? |
| 12:38.57 | Trevelyan` | no, root-noverify (hdX,Y) [RETURN] chainloader +1 [R] boot [R] |
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| 12:40.03 | Trevelyan` | but if you have the mbr program that will fix your mbr |
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| 12:40.52 | o2T7 | Well, I tried the first, perhaps the problem is in the installed OS after all |
| 12:41.04 | o2T7 | Thank you for your help :) |
| 12:41.14 | o2T7 | i'll take a look to `mbr` |
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| 12:46.03 | adv_ | i get 573 root@localhost failed to route the address (in reply to MAIL FROM command)) in mail.info with postfix |
| 12:46.05 | adv_ | why? |
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| 12:48.44 | aspWork | i am running sid, but having some problem with my nvidia drivers, is it possible to install the older drivers from lenny or etch? |
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| 12:49.40 | dot1 | i'm looking for a package for realtime linux on debian lenny ? |
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| 12:52.05 | Cyorxamp | Hey, is /sys like /dev and not work copying when backing up? |
| 12:52.08 | Worf | aspWork: there could be some version conflicts, since the drivers need to be built against the same kernel and xorg or so ... but there are lot's of different versions around, you should be able to find one. or use the module assistant to build yourself |
| 12:52.48 | Worf | Cyorxamp: if you mean if it's a virtual filesystem, then yes |
| 12:52.56 | aspWork | Worf, i used the module assistant to build this one |
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| 12:53.22 | aspWork | i am having really slow resize of my terminals and changing of virtual desktops etc with composite enabled, thats why i want to try an older driver |
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| 12:53.55 | Worf | aspWork: that's not the driver fault, that's composite fault |
| 12:54.20 | aspWork | Worf, ok, anything i can do about it? or just live with it until it gets fixed? |
| 12:54.23 | dubbaluga | hej! is it possible to find out to which ports a specific socket is bound to? i got the socket information with ``lsof'' |
| 12:55.48 | Cyorxamp | So when backing up so far I exclude... /sys, /lost+found, /cdrom, /media, /tmp, /dev, /proc, and /mnt -- does this list need modifying in your opinion? |
| 12:56.06 | Worf | aspWork: the newer drivers and composite managers are slightly slower, but basically it's a design problem. the whole window gets rendered to some offscreen pixmap which then is renderd to the real screen using OpenGL... if you resize a window using 100 small steps, then the system needs to initialise, draw and destroy a 100 times the offscreen pixmap ... |
| 12:56.19 | Worf | aspWork: i mean - the newer are slightly faster |
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| 12:57.10 | infinity0 | hey people |
| 12:57.13 | stew | Cyorxamp: /var/cache /var/run |
| 12:57.21 | infinity0 | how do i close a bug report that i submitted myself? |
| 12:57.23 | Worf | Cyorxamp: actually /home, /etc and the package list should do :) |
| 12:57.37 | aspWork | Worf, ok, to bad it works under "the other OS:es" <g>, is there a fix coming or just something we have to live with? i heard that it was changed in 7.3 due to some security issues, and thats when it became this slow |
| 12:57.38 | stew | dubbaluga: /msg dpkg open ports |
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| 12:59.13 | Worf | aspWork: for now, i recommend using some other window resize mode ... do you use compiz? Default resize mode "Rectangle" looks fine to me ... |
| 12:59.49 | aspWork | Worf, no, i just use gnone 2.22 to get the terminals and shadows |
| 13:00.00 | dubbaluga | stew: thx! |
| 13:00.05 | aspWork | dono if i control there resize more under gnome?! |
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| 13:01.05 | Worf | well, i bet there is a setting to only draw a frame or a semi-transparent rectangle instead of permanent redrawing the window during resize |
| 13:01.08 | Trevelyan` | /var/cache is useful to keep, grabbing things from /var/cache/apt and using dpkg has saved me a few times. |
| 13:01.32 | aspWork | Worf, might be, let me check |
| 13:02.02 | adv__ | anyone using postfix? |
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| 13:04.37 | chtp | anyone here knows a good and performant alternative for packet logging via tcpdump |
| 13:05.15 | idimmu | tshark ? |
| 13:05.20 | adv__ | i get an error 573 root@localhost failed to route the address |
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| 13:07.06 | stew | chtp: if you can get your hands on either a hub or a managed switch, you can do all the logging on another machine |
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| 13:09.13 | chtp | stew: i need a solution for two boxes (1 x appliance, 1 x network monitor (now tcpdumping)) connected directly without switches |
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| 13:14.03 | aspWork | anybody know where to change the resize method in gnome/metacity? |
| 13:14.32 | Penix | aspWork: in the preferences dialogs or gconf-editor like everything else |
| 13:14.52 | Penix | aspWork: and, what's 'resize method' mean? the keybinding to resize without grabbing the border? |
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| 13:14.59 | aspWork | Penix, been searching the gconf, cant seem to find it |
| 13:15.10 | aspWork | Penix, no, the way it draws the window during resize |
| 13:15.19 | Penix | oh. ok |
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| 13:16.13 | bmr | aspWork, apps -> metacity -> general -> reduced_resources |
| 13:16.19 | Penix | there's the reduced_resources key that enabled wireframe moving |
| 13:16.21 | bmr | set it to 1 for wireframe mode or 0 for full rendering |
| 13:16.21 | Penix | bah |
| 13:16.24 | Penix | !lose me |
| 13:16.24 | dpkg | penix: You Lose. |
| 13:16.32 | aspWork | thnx |
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| 13:16.47 | SpeCon | how can i check wich debian version is installed on my server ? |
| 13:16.52 | aspWork | brb |
| 13:16.58 | bfremon | hi |
| 13:16.58 | cast | !version |
| 13:16.58 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
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| 13:17.41 | bfremon | i'm running unstable on a macbook (i945 graphic chipset), and lately i'm running in X crashes |
| 13:18.05 | aspWork | that did nothing, its still using full screens when doing the resizing |
| 13:18.06 | aspWork | strange |
| 13:18.15 | SpeCon | when i try to login on my server and i put my pasword in, the server respond with Using keyboard-interactive authentication. |
| 13:18.20 | SpeCon | what does that mean ? |
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| 13:18.46 | cast | SpeCon: think very carefully...what did you type the password in on? |
| 13:18.51 | aspWork | could be due to accessability, where do i toggle that? |
| 13:18.57 | SpeCon | cast: with PUTTY |
| 13:19.03 | SpeCon | login root pasword ... |
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| 13:19.42 | bfremon | I'd like to make a bug report, but i don't know how to get useful debug info. is there a dedicated channel for X under debian, or shall i report this upstream ? |
| 13:20.04 | abrotman | SpeCon: that's normal .. that's your ssh server telling you the auth method |
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| 13:20.33 | SpeCon | cast: access denied with the right passwd |
| 13:20.47 | SpeCon | abrotman: so what method should i use? |
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| 13:21.02 | cast | so your question really is |
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| 13:21.20 | SpeCon | i can't login on my server and its new. I just had it from today so i cannot login |
| 13:21.29 | cast | "why am i getting access denied when trying to login to my ssh server with a password?" |
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| 13:21.54 | cast | so...are you typing the right password? |
| 13:21.56 | abrotman | SpeCon: try as a normal user |
| 13:22.01 | SpeCon | offcourse |
| 13:22.14 | abrotman | SpeCon: quite likely root ssh logins are disabled |
| 13:22.47 | SpeCon | abrotman: login in as normal user doesn't work either |
| 13:22.53 | fireba11 | Hi, for testing some software i need to set up a proxy that requries auth. naturally i don'w ant to spend hours on that, so some ideas how that can be done simply ? a fixed user/pass combination for outh will do fine |
| 13:23.09 | abrotman | SpeCon: unix is case-sensitive |
| 13:23.16 | fireba11 | it needs to support https though |
| 13:23.34 | SpeCon | abrotman i know that |
| 13:23.42 | idimmu | fireba11: squid |
| 13:23.44 | SpeCon | i made a user with my control panel off the provider |
| 13:23.48 | JyZyXEL | seriosly guys |
| 13:23.51 | SpeCon | so i know its the right password |
| 13:23.56 | abrotman | seriously ? :) |
| 13:23.59 | JyZyXEL | three months have passed and the problem is still there |
| 13:24.07 | fireba11 | idimmu: can set be set up without loads of work :-) |
| 13:24.10 | abrotman | SpeCon: do you have console access ? |
| 13:24.12 | JyZyXEL | every 24hours a process called "/usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-sjsg5A" starts |
| 13:24.16 | JyZyXEL | it takes all my CPU time |
| 13:24.16 | idimmu | depends how capable you are |
| 13:24.20 | SpeCon | abrotman ofcourse its a dedicated server |
| 13:24.23 | JyZyXEL | no one knows what it is |
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| 13:24.28 | JyZyXEL | only happends with xfce |
| 13:24.31 | abrotman | SpeCon: does your access work via console? |
| 13:24.48 | bmr | JyZyXEL, uuhhh.. that would be your X server, no? |
| 13:25.08 | SpeCon | abrotman it should be yes |
| 13:25.11 | JyZyXEL | bmr i don't know |
| 13:25.15 | bmr | JyZyXEL, it is. |
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| 13:25.16 | JyZyXEL | but if i kill it the machine crashes |
| 13:25.28 | infinity0 | so, what do people think of the Virgin CEO's anti-net-neutrality stance? |
| 13:25.39 | bmr | JyZyXEL, the X server is a fairly important component of a desktop system. You don't want to kill it. |
| 13:25.45 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 13:26.04 | JyZyXEL | i wanna know whats causing it to function so that it takes all my CPU |
| 13:26.16 | abrotman | infinity0: offtopic here |
| 13:26.21 | SpeCon | abrotman: it worked |
| 13:26.28 | JyZyXEL | somekind of debugger is needed |
| 13:26.30 | SpeCon | they changed the password because they reinstalled the image |
| 13:26.31 | abrotman | SpeCon: so check the SSH logs .. see what it says the error is |
| 13:26.33 | SpeCon | !version |
| 13:26.33 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 13:26.52 | SpeCon | abrotman: do you recomment ISPconfig as admin panel for debian or not? |
| 13:27.17 | abrotman | SpeCon: no idea .. never used it .. but i can't imagine it's better than using vi |
| 13:27.36 | SpeCon | abrotman vi ? |
| 13:27.40 | bmr | JyZyXEL, you could start by googling for some troubleshooting information - your X server is probably provided by xorg (you don't mention a version so it's hard to be sure). They have some pretty good documentation you'd probably benefit from reading |
| 13:27.51 | SpeCon | i'm looking for a free admin panel so i can manage my server on a right way |
| 13:27.58 | stew | JyZyXEL: what is the ppid of the process? |
| 13:28.03 | abrotman | SpeCon: an admin panel *is* the wrong way |
| 13:28.03 | bmr | if you know the driver you use for your graphics card, you can do a more targeted search |
| 13:28.13 | JyZyXEL | stew 4197 |
| 13:28.23 | stew | JyZyXEL: and what is that process? |
| 13:28.29 | JyZyXEL | root 4197 4.0 9.8 117392 89404 tty7 RLs+ Apr15 61:08 /usr/bin/X -br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-sjsg5A |
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| 13:28.43 | stew | JyZyXEL: that's the pid not the ppid |
| 13:28.44 | JyZyXEL | ps -aux output |
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| 13:28.56 | JyZyXEL | !ppid |
| 13:28.56 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 13:29.15 | stew | JyZyXEL: isn't that just your x server? |
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| 13:29.18 | JyZyXEL | 4195 |
| 13:29.30 | JyZyXEL | stew yes |
| 13:29.32 | JyZyXEL | seems so |
| 13:29.37 | SpeCon | abrotman: for people that doesn't know much about linux its very helpfull |
| 13:29.41 | adv__ | can i have a lot of virtual hosts in apache and somehow isolate them so that if one site gets compromised the other is left untouched? |
| 13:29.47 | SpeCon | i cannot see any problem in using such a panel ? |
| 13:29.48 | abrotman | SpeCon: that doesn't make it the right way .. |
| 13:29.55 | JyZyXEL | something is making my X use processor too much |
| 13:29.56 | stew | JyZyXEL: so your x server starts every 24 hours? |
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| 13:30.17 | JyZyXEL | stew it probably is there always |
| 13:30.19 | abrotman | SpeCon: except the one you're experiencing now .. your server is messed up, and you don't know how to troubleshoot it without the admin panel |
| 13:30.27 | JyZyXEL | but it just starts causing problems always after 24h uptime |
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| 13:30.50 | delcoyote | hi |
| 13:30.54 | JyZyXEL | or 12hour im not so sure |
| 13:30.58 | alex12 | would anyone know where i set my auth daemon on port 113 to run off a specific IP address? |
| 13:31.04 | stew | JyZyXEL: what do you actually know then? |
| 13:31.16 | stew | JyZyXEL: is it using cpu time? memory? io? |
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| 13:31.25 | JyZyXEL | CPU is 100% |
| 13:31.40 | stew | JyZyXEL: user or system? |
| 13:31.56 | JyZyXEL | it says CPU |
| 13:32.03 | stew | JyZyXEL: what is "it"? |
| 13:32.03 | JyZyXEL | CPU% in htop |
| 13:32.07 | JyZyXEL | no idea |
| 13:32.19 | JyZyXEL | its making my computer slow |
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| 13:32.25 | JyZyXEL | there is no room for anything else |
| 13:32.47 | stew | JyZyXEL: what version of debian? |
| 13:33.11 | muddd | i just had to reinstall my whole system, my xfce4 screen seems to be stuck at a 640x480 or whatever size, and i have no option to change it to 1024x768, dont i have to edit xorg.conf or something? |
| 13:33.32 | stew | muddd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:34.21 | muddd | hmm, freakin weird i tried that already but now it seems to have worked... thx ha i feel like a noob |
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| 13:35.44 | alex12 | anyone know the string in ident.conf bind to specific ip address? |
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| 13:39.43 | Hoxzer | ^_^ |
| 13:39.50 | Hoxzer | Because boys in the h00d |
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| 13:55.20 | outlaw84 | I cant run 'apt-get update' when it comes to downloading 'Packages [5291kB]' I just looks up and nothing happens, internet seams to get locked on my computer when this happens, I cant brows any new web sites until apt stops or is stopped. I can wget any file from the repositories fine, it only looks up for apt |
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| 13:56.18 | msan | outlaw84: what version of debian ? |
| 13:56.51 | outlaw84 | unstable |
| 13:57.23 | outlaw84 | I have been having this problem for a while now |
| 13:57.39 | Penix | outlaw84: have you checked the bts? |
| 13:58.42 | outlaw84 | Its only one computer where I get this.. I got 1 client and 3 servers running same debian dist and they aren't havning any problem like this |
| 13:58.46 | msan | outlaw84: I'm on testing, but I've not seen that sort of a problem before. Have you tried using aptitude ? Does `aptitude update` do the same thing ? |
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| 13:59.21 | msan | outlaw84: they all have the same NIC card ? Same network settings ? |
| 13:59.59 | outlaw84 | hum... seams I cant run aptitude... |
| 14:00.00 | outlaw84 | LC_ALL=US aptitude update |
| 14:00.00 | outlaw84 | E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
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| 14:00.18 | Penix | outlaw84: you've obviously screwed up something in apt's prefs |
| 14:00.25 | balzac5000 | I've recently upgraded from sarge to etch and now it appears that crond isn't executing what's in /etc/crontab - did something change in the versions that I'm unable to find? |
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| 14:00.34 | seriouslycgi | just a quick question... this day and age is there any noticable difference if you recompile a custom kernel? |
| 14:00.52 | outlaw84 | Penix: I only changed stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:00.56 | hti_pro | anyone using squirrellmail on etch |
| 14:00.57 | Penix | seriouslycgi: yes. you don't get debian's security updates, and you support yourself |
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| 14:01.14 | Penix | outlaw84: check the preferences file(s) anyway then, if it's complaining about it |
| 14:01.25 | seriouslycgi | Penix, so its not a good thing |
| 14:01.29 | outlaw84 | Penix: check where for what? |
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| 14:02.00 | Penix | seriouslycgi: it can be, if you know what you're doing. asking for help here also becomes less useful since we don't know what you've done to your kernel |
| 14:02.18 | AussieHatter | if hosts.deny denys all and hosts.allow is restricted to a few hosts, why would 'refused connect from ::ffff:203.222.26.52 (::ffff:203.222.26.52)' appear in the auth.log ? |
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| 14:02.28 | seriouslycgi | im still learning so i think ill leave it for now lol |
| 14:02.41 | stew | outlaw84: show us the contenets of /etc/apt/preferences ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:02.46 | Penix | seriouslycgi: debian kernels have pretty much everything you need anyway |
| 14:02.51 | Penix | seriouslycgi: unless its something really bizzare |
| 14:03.10 | balzac5000 | seriouslycgi: Penix brings up some excellent points |
| 14:03.25 | seriouslycgi | Penix, ive just never rolled my own kern so i was wondering if it made improvements |
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| 14:03.43 | Penix | seriouslycgi: if you've never done it, there's really no reason with debian. it's one of the advantages |
| 14:03.45 | balzac5000 | Every time I've rolled my own kernel I've found the deb kernel had what I needed and I just wasn't loading the correct modules |
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| 14:04.43 | hti_pro | no one using squirrellmail |
| 14:04.50 | Penix | I've *always* used custom kernels, but I still don't recommend it. debian stock kernels are the way to go |
| 14:05.15 | Penix | then again, I'm never here asking for help with my broken custom kernel ;) |
| 14:05.17 | outlaw84 | stew: I had some priority stuff there, that I added before when trying to get it to work, but I removed it now because I did not have that file on the working computers. Now I can run 'aptitude update' but I looks at the same place as apt-get update |
| 14:05.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | AussieHatter, because that host isnt in the allowed list? |
| 14:05.17 | twobitsp2ite | is there a simpler way to build a debian package for something that doesn't have a build step? It seems like the howto I'm reading assumes that you're building something from source... |
| 14:05.24 | msan | seriouslycgi: Once you get over your learning curve and understand things a whole lot better, then maybe you might want to re-visit the topic of building your kernels. That's what I told myself when I started with Debian. 8 years later, I've learnt pretty well that I don't need to do that at all with Debain. |
| 14:05.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell hti_pro about anyone |
| 14:06.06 | Penix | seriouslycgi: you can certainly learn a lot from doing it, but try it out in a virtual machine or something instead of your main system |
| 14:06.12 | stew | outlaw84: are you trying to tell us that it is fixed now? |
| 14:06.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | twobitsp1ite, how can you make a package without a build step? |
| 14:06.24 | seriouslycgi | i have ubuntu (no xserver) on a dual cpu server (333mhz) and its crawling running just a httpd, it ran faster with debian (no xserver) |
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| 14:06.35 | seriouslycgi | im going back to debain |
| 14:06.36 | hti_pro | ok ill just ask, I'm having troubles with squirelmail in etch, can't install any plugins |
| 14:06.52 | Penix | seriouslycgi: could be to do with certain kernel configuration options/settings or particular patches |
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| 14:07.00 | msan | stew: no he's locking up in when doing the update. "looks" is typonese for "locks" in outlaw84 land. |
| 14:07.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | hti_pro, what error do you get? |
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| 14:07.33 | seriouslycgi | i dont like ubuntu anyway i seem to always install debian to wash away the taste of other distros |
| 14:07.35 | stew | outlaw84: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:07.37 | tarzeau | Penix: what is it you do different in your custom kernels? |
| 14:07.54 | hti_pro | Kamping_Kaiser: nothing, they just don't appear in the squirrelmail-configure app |
| 14:08.08 | Penix | tarzeau: it's just a habit mainly. I roll my own realtime audio kernels |
| 14:08.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | hti_pro, how did you try to install them? |
| 14:08.22 | msan | outlaw84: show use the /etc/apt/sources.list file. Are all your systems on the same subnet ? Do they all have the same network settings ? |
| 14:08.35 | tarzeau | Penix: ah nice, do you use jack for something special? is alsa better with jack (better latency?) |
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| 14:08.37 | hti_pro | untarred into plugins directory and followed the non-existent INSTALL directions of the plugin |
| 14:08.42 | Penix | tarzeau: jack's a must |
| 14:08.52 | tarzeau | Penix: i've packaged www.milkytracker.net and it can run with or without jack |
| 14:09.01 | Penix | I'm an ardour whore |
| 14:09.01 | hti_pro | Kamping_Kaiser: The app had plugins installed by default, these also do not show up |
| 14:09.04 | tarzeau | Penix: any other kernel settings you configure for your realtime audio stuff? |
| 14:09.25 | outlaw84 | http://pastebin.com/d3b88c9d8 |
| 14:09.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | hti_pro, "the app" == squirrelmail? is squirrelmail installed from debian packages? |
| 14:09.48 | lunk | http://www.photobasement.com/41-hilarious-science-fair-experiments/ |
| 14:09.49 | tarzeau | Penix: do you know/use freecycle or qtractor or traverso? |
| 14:09.56 | hti_pro | Kamping_Kaiser: yes installed from apt, I had to move the squirrelmail directory to /var/www though due to suphp restrictions. |
| 14:10.04 | outlaw84 | msan: In my /etc/apt/sources.list I got 'deb ftp://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free' |
| 14:10.05 | JyZyXEL | apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg is that enough for complete reinstall of X? |
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| 14:10.14 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: no |
| 14:10.18 | Penix | tarzeau: not really any other particular build options. mainly random kernel related settings from userland and some RT IRQ settings |
| 14:10.19 | JyZyXEL | what else do i need? |
| 14:10.21 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: that's just that one single meta package |
| 14:10.31 | JyZyXEL | i want a complete reinstall |
| 14:10.52 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: you'll need to list all the packages that you want reinstalled |
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| 14:10.55 | hti_pro | Kamping_Kaiser: maybe a directive missing in the config.php file, which defaults to /usr/share/squirrelmail/plugins??? |
| 14:10.58 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: and debconf settings remain |
| 14:11.05 | JyZyXEL | hmm |
| 14:11.07 | msan | outlaw84: have you tried a http site ? |
| 14:11.12 | JyZyXEL | how can i know what packages are for X? |
| 14:11.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | hti_pro, qutie likely |
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| 14:11.24 | outlaw84 | msan: the other working computers are in the same network with no custom-settings |
| 14:11.26 | JyZyXEL | how can i list them |
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| 14:11.30 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: well all that get listed by dpkg -l |grep xorg ? |
| 14:11.36 | outlaw84 | msan: not yet |
| 14:11.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | crashes |
| 14:11.42 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: then there's x server software and there's x client software |
| 14:11.45 | Penix | tarzeau: I've never actually heard of any of those apps (checking em out now). been under a rock with my electronic drumkit recently ;) also been rebuilding a corrupt session |
| 14:11.58 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: then there's software that can use and do stuff with x, but can do without x perfectly as well |
| 14:12.02 | hti_pro | Kamping_Kaiser: I can't find any info on the directive to add, squirrelmail docs says no directive is required and that it will just work |
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| 14:12.22 | tarzeau | Penix: milky is in new queue, find it here: sid.ethz.ch/debian/milkytracker/ if you can't wait |
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| 14:12.27 | Penix | tarzeau: my setup is mainly jack, ardour, something like qsynth, hydrogen, audacity, rosegarden etc. |
| 14:12.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | hti_pro, fuck with debians package management and it will fight back :) |
| 14:12.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | night all |
| 14:12.46 | hti_pro | :) |
| 14:12.49 | tarzeau | Penix: you do midi recording? |
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| 14:13.37 | Penix | tarzeau: drumkit does midi out. connect it to hydrogen etc. |
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| 14:13.55 | Penix | newer releases of ardour are slowly getting builtin midi sequencing etc. |
| 14:14.12 | outlaw84 | msan: I added http://http.us.debian.org instead and it seams to be working :/ |
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| 14:14.15 | Haris1 | I have now marked specific traffic and have also added a rule for mtu in mangle/FORWARD |
| 14:14.20 | Haris1 | I'm going to see if that helps |
| 14:14.23 | msan | outlaw84: I tried that sources.list line and it worked out just fine. |
| 14:15.13 | tarzeau | Penix: do you have some nice h2songs? it looks cool |
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| 14:15.23 | msan | outlaw84: I usually keep a couple of different repositories listed in my sources.list as it helps in situations like this. And I don't use ftp, just http. |
| 14:15.56 | outlaw84 | msan: yea, It works on 4 others computers that I am in control of... Well it worked with the US http source. I 'll do a dist upgrade and retry with the source later and try to find a http source closer to me |
| 14:16.00 | Penix | tarzeau: there are some example files included. the forums have user created song files IIRC. you can get new drumkits from the site too |
| 14:16.03 | outlaw84 | msan: thanks for the help! |
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| 14:16.15 | Penix | tarzeau: a lot of people create their own kits out of personal samples or existing packs |
| 14:16.23 | tarzeau | Penix: very cool, thanks |
| 14:16.29 | msan | outlaw84: no probs. |
| 14:16.36 | khaleel5000 | hello , i am downloading debian 4.0 via ktorrent.how do I add a tracker for it ,or add peers? |
| 14:17.08 | twobitsp2ite | Kamping_Kaiser: it's all script code, i.e., perl |
| 14:17.11 | Penix | so awesome banging away on a real drumkit with something like hydrogen on the other end :) |
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| 14:19.21 | larsemil | how do i count the number of folders one level down from where i am standing right now? lets say i have ten folders, and i want to know how many folders there are in those folders |
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| 14:19.47 | tarzeau | larsemil: find -type d and wc -l? |
| 14:19.48 | msan | Anyone got recommendations for some simple video editing applications ? I've got a digital camcorder (sony hdrsr5) which uses the avchd format (.m2ts) files. |
| 14:19.49 | _gAri- | hi there, I inherited a server that I need to administrate. the server messages are in hungarian, how can I change that back to english? my other question is that I use securecrt under windows to connect to the server. when I enter to mc, I don't get the standard nice outfit of mc, but strange characters everywhere. where should I dig to change that behaviour? |
| 14:20.06 | tarzeau | msan: kino? lives? openmovieeditor? vivio... |
| 14:20.13 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if i should reinstall all packets that have X in it |
| 14:20.16 | JyZyXEL | !reinstall |
| 14:20.16 | dpkg | well, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 14:20.26 | Penix | JyZyXEL: /msg dpkg |
| 14:20.37 | msan | tarzeau: thanks. |
| 14:20.40 | tarzeau | !locale |
| 14:20.40 | dpkg | [locale] set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 14:20.50 | larsemil | tarzeau: that counts all the way down. i dont want it to be recursive. just one level |
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| 14:21.09 | tarzeau | larsemil: man find, you can set the maximum depth |
| 14:21.22 | tarzeau | larsemil: you could also grep for a maximum of one / or something |
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| 14:21.54 | mquin | larsemil: find . -type d -wholename './*/*' | wc |
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| 14:22.36 | mquin | actually, scratch that, doesn't quite work the way I thought it would |
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| 14:23.07 | msan | tarzeau: vivio ... is that in debian ? apt-cache search didn't seem to find it. |
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| 14:23.32 | tarzeau | msan: seems no, like jashaka and the other one dynebolic ships... |
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| 14:23.54 | mquin | larsemil: find . -maxdepth 2 -type d -wholename './*/*' |wc |
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| 14:24.09 | sChaaa | hola |
| 14:24.18 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how could i reinstall all the packets command: "dpkg -l | grep X" lists |
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| 14:24.38 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: easily |
| 14:24.58 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: dpkg -l |grep xorg |awk '{print $2}' that's a good start, right? |
| 14:25.09 | larsemil | mquin: that gave me 72 72 1964. does that mean there are a total of 72 folders? |
| 14:25.21 | mquin | larsemil: yes |
| 14:25.22 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 14:25.24 | tarzeau | JyZyXEL: then put it after apt-get --reinstall install `HERE` |
| 14:25.25 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 14:25.49 | JyZyXEL | im still gonna use X |
| 14:25.51 | AussieHatter | when does sarge support officially end ? |
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| 14:26.04 | JyZyXEL | 252 packets are gonna get reinstalled |
| 14:26.18 | larsemil | mquin: thank you very much |
| 14:26.22 | mquin | AussieHatter: March 31st |
| 14:26.30 | mquin | i.e. two weeks ago |
| 14:26.46 | AussieHatter | mquin, i see, thx |
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| 14:28.48 | davis | hello |
| 14:29.42 | davis | I did a network install, Ihave a minimal system. Any idea which package fixes this error: "Unable to load NLS charset iso8859-1" when i mount a cdrom? |
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| 14:31.11 | davis | i already have locales support package loaded |
| 14:31.34 | abrotman | did you configure locales for that locale? |
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| 14:32.24 | davis | hmm. my kernel did not have NLS support for 8859-1 maybe that is it. |
| 14:32.40 | abrotman | did you compile your own kernel? |
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| 14:32.56 | davis | abrotman: yes |
| 14:33.01 | davis | i'm rebuilding it now. |
| 14:33.26 | bitchXX | There is a debian-sys-maint user in mysql default install of debian.. and there is a root one, is that user to let debian install things (db) on mysql right? |
| 14:33.39 | abrotman | davis: why did you compile your own ? |
| 14:33.59 | davis | i need to work on a driver. |
| 14:34.19 | davis | this is a debian linux system I'm using just to test a driver. |
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| 14:34.46 | davis | it works now. |
| 14:34.48 | davis | thanks |
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| 14:40.24 | bitchXX | abrotman, do you know if the debian-sys-maint user in mysql (installed by default) has a differente password each time? |
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| 14:40.53 | bitchXX | each time for install I mean... |
| 14:41.01 | abrotman | bitchXX: not sure, but i don't think you're supposed to mess with that user |
| 14:41.12 | idimmu | bitchXX: i think it does |
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| 14:45.12 | bitchXX | abrotman, idimmu.. Im thinking to erase that user (I have a root user already), but I think I have to change the script to launch the service and probably another stuff... |
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| 14:45.33 | deufrai | hi there. I need to autenticate users via our Active directory. Is this possible for , say, CVS and samba shares ? |
| 14:45.33 | hoxu | bitchXX, uh, don't |
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| 14:45.46 | bitchXX | hoxu, why is that? |
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| 14:45.59 | hoxu | bitchXX, it's there for a purpose, that's for sure |
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| 14:46.08 | bitchXX | hoxu, :s |
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| 14:47.14 | abrotman | bitchXX: don't do that |
| 14:47.15 | idimmu | bitchXX: best to leave it alone really |
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| 14:47.33 | bitchXX | hoxu, I guess.. but as long as i can see is for make "easy" install things like cms, wikies, etc... |
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| 14:47.47 | idimmu | er no |
| 14:48.21 | idimmu | its more for stopping, starting and maintenancey bits iir |
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| 14:49.47 | _gAri- | hi there, I tried to dpkg-reconfigure locales and I got these errors. The configuration screen shows up after these errors, but after choosing the locale I got the same erros, and also the fact that it cant set the locales. |
| 14:49.48 | _gAri- | http://www.pastebin.org/30172 |
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| 14:51.14 | UbuCat1 | Hello |
| 14:51.21 | muhah | hi |
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| 14:51.32 | abhinay | hi ALL |
| 14:51.51 | jelly | _gAri-: hm, and when you run it like "LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure locales"? |
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| 14:52.09 | muhah | im trying to ssh into a box thats on standby and the ssh times out without making a connection |
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| 14:52.35 | jelly | muhah: you'll have to take the machine out of standby first. |
| 14:52.43 | phaidros | muhah: there is no way to wake a suspended box via network imho |
| 14:52.52 | jelly | !wol |
| 14:52.52 | dpkg | somebody said wol was wake-on-lan |
| 14:53.00 | jelly | very useful, dpkg. |
| 14:53.09 | phaidros | jelly: does it work with standby? |
| 14:53.09 | muhah | change the bios setting then |
| 14:53.18 | jelly | phaidros: it's supposed to. |
| 14:53.30 | UbuCat1 | !dpgk |
| 14:53.43 | phaidros | jelly: Ãok, so I have try again, thought its not supposed to because it didn't when I tested :) |
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| 14:53.55 | abhinay | is that possible to send messages to other machine (unfortunately, using windows) from my system, i am connected through wifi , and the other system is on 192.168.1.2 ? |
| 14:53.55 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 14:54.00 | Haris1 | What's an optimal pmtu setting? |
| 14:54.15 | phaidros | mtu behind a adsl connection eg is 1492 |
| 14:54.18 | muhah | messages abhinay ? |
| 14:54.37 | quentusrex | what part of the server would be involved with streaming data in one integrated ethernet port and out the other integrated ethernet port? |
| 14:54.41 | phaidros | Haris1: if you use vpn or such reduce the mtu by the vpn header size |
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| 14:55.06 | Haris1 | phaidros: How do I get to know the vpn header size? |
| 14:55.11 | abhinay | muhah, message as pop-up |
| 14:55.20 | phaidros | Haris1: find on scroogle / rtfm / man .. |
| 14:55.21 | muhah | abhinay: popups !? |
| 14:55.25 | muhah | haha |
| 14:55.26 | Haris1 | phaidros: We use vpn destined to only one IP |
| 14:55.32 | phaidros | Haris1: if vpn used with LZO it is different again |
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| 14:55.43 | muhah | abhinay: youre a funny guy |
| 14:55.52 | rohan | what kernel is debian lenny scheduled to be released with? |
| 14:55.53 | UbuCat1 | I've got a question. |
| 14:55.58 | abhinay | muhah, :) |
| 14:56.05 | phaidros | !dontask |
| 14:56.26 | muhah | abhinay: there is a tool for sending popups i think its in the smb package |
| 14:56.35 | abhinay | !ask |
| 14:56.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:56.50 | UbuCat1 | Why Debian rules? |
| 14:56.52 | rohan | was that !ask thing in someway directed at me? |
| 14:57.05 | jelly | !tell UbuCat1 -about why debian |
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| 14:57.47 | UbuCat1 | Thanks |
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| 14:58.09 | rohan | i'm asking because kernel 2.6.24 doesn't have acer-acpi integrated, 2.6.25 does, so if lenny is going to be released with 2.6.24, i'll file a feature request for acer-acpi to be included in kernel |
| 14:58.21 | _gAri- | jelly: nice try, it works thank you :) |
| 14:59.04 | phaidros | Haris1: if you use openvpn: see ifconfig which mtu the network cards are using. lets say it is on 1492 because of adsl, then you would try on tun devices with 11300, play around wirth this value to get the optimum throughput |
| 14:59.15 | phaidros | Haris1: not 11300, but 1300 |
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| 14:59.43 | jelly | rohan: you might get an answer in #debian-kernel or irc.debian.org |
| 15:00.11 | jelly | rohan: on* that network, sorry |
| 15:00.11 | rohan | jelly: yhanks |
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| 15:00.58 | Haris1 | phaidros: All my server's interfaces have 1500, other than the adsl one |
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| 15:02.01 | phaidros | Haris1: then try around with 1308 :) +- |
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| 15:02.47 | phaidros | Haris1: there is as well a link-mtu and tun-mtu for openvpn. should be detailed in the manual |
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| 15:03.33 | Haris1 | phaidros: I'm using cisco vpn client to connect to a remote cisco vpn conventrator |
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| 15:07.39 | phaidros | Haris1: sry, dunno of the header sizes of those. maybe the cisco admin knows ;) |
| 15:08.05 | phaidros | Haris1: but where is the mtu size come in place here? |
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| 15:08.46 | shrift | Hello |
| 15:09.02 | shrift | I am having an issue with Tomcat5.5 I was hoping someone could help me with |
| 15:09.04 | Haris1 | phaidros: hmm.. I have slow transfers I'm looking to see if I can improve them from my side |
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| 15:09.42 | shrift | the issue is that catalina.out is getting rewritten with these permissions everytime tomcat starts: |
| 15:09.46 | shrift | prwx------ 1 tomcat55 root 0 2008-04-16 11:02 catalina.out |
| 15:10.02 | shrift | a named pipe.... |
| 15:10.20 | shrift | so tomcat can't log to it and therefore causes trouble |
| 15:10.24 | shrift | any ideas? |
| 15:10.38 | shrift | I've seen a few people around the net that have had this issue but no solutions. : ( |
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| 15:11.36 | phaidros | Haris1: so reduce the mtu (for the vpn packages, not for your network card) in steps of 10 or whatever. btw, vpnc is able to replace the cisco vpn client, maybe you set mtu in it's config |
| 15:11.41 | phaidros | !vpnc |
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| 15:12.10 | phaidros | (had to work once wirth cisco client, no fun ..) |
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| 15:14.18 | suppaman | hi |
| 15:14.28 | suppaman | I'm trying to clean up all modules built with m-a |
| 15:14.43 | suppaman | but when trying to purge nvidia-kernel-legacy I got an error |
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| 15:15.17 | abrotman | and the error is? |
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| 15:15.33 | suppaman | eh one mom :-) |
| 15:15.38 | suppaman | I'm copying by hand |
| 15:16.04 | suppaman | Cato|: /var/cache/modass/nvidia-kernel-legacy-source.buildstate.*: No such file or directory |
| 15:16.19 | suppaman | s/Cato|/cat/ |
| 15:16.47 | suppaman | while I understand what "no such file" means I wonder how can I remove the module from list-installed |
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| 15:18.16 | abrotman | you could try to rebuild it .. then remove it |
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| 15:19.38 | suppaman | not so easy |
| 15:19.41 | suppaman | build fails |
| 15:20.25 | UbuCat1 | What is nicer in default looks? Gnome or KDE? |
| 15:21.07 | larsemil | UbuCat1: gnome. :D |
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| 15:22.07 | suppaman | and I have a lot of links "linux-OLDVERSION.xxxxxx" in /usr/src |
| 15:22.12 | suppaman | where do they come from? |
| 15:23.32 | abrotman | UbuCat1: only you can decide .. try them both |
| 15:23.45 | abhinay | UbuCat1, ofcourse, GNOME |
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| 15:25.02 | Exarc | C |
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| 15:26.57 | st1650 | I need some advices, I'm building a file server on a 3ware 9550 pci-x sata controller (8x500gb on raid 10) I was wondering about which filesystem would be the best reliability/performance. Files would be a mixed of small files (mp3) and large files (hd backups, movies, etc) |
| 15:27.25 | Penix | st1650: ext3 or jfs |
| 15:27.48 | st1650 | ok |
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| 15:28.16 | twobitsp2ite | oops... I messed up... I gave /boot its own partition, but didn't give it enough space, and when I tried to update the newer kernel package it couldn't install....... :( |
| 15:28.17 | st1650 | root partition should be ext3 right ? |
| 15:28.27 | Penix | st1650: doesn't have to be |
| 15:28.33 | Penix | st1650: jfs root is supported |
| 15:28.38 | suppaman | xfs too |
| 15:28.44 | cahoot | waste of space? |
| 15:28.47 | suppaman | with a warning tho' |
| 15:28.53 | st1650 | ok |
| 15:29.05 | twobitsp2ite | st1650: yes, use ext3 ... unless you have good reason to use something else |
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| 15:29.16 | cahoot | why use a journal on /boot? |
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| 15:29.36 | twobitsp2ite | cahoot: I used ext2 on the /boot partition |
| 15:29.43 | twobitsp2ite | (assume you're talking to me) |
| 15:29.57 | st1650 | and I was thinking about installing debian itself on a 30gig IDE drive (/boot / and swap) and simply mounting my 3ware array as /home /var Yes/No ? |
| 15:30.05 | warjest | Some time ago i was attempting to install debian on a bleeding edge motherboard and somebody here pointed me to one of the debian developer's site where he backported new drivers to the 'debian stable' installer but i cannot remember the project or site... can somebody point me in the right direction? |
| 15:30.34 | suppaman | ah know I understand where all the hd space went |
| 15:30.37 | Penix | st1650: obviously if the array uses faster disks, you'd probably get better performance with everything on the array |
| 15:30.45 | suppaman | I got a lot of kernel images and sources |
| 15:31.10 | Penix | st1650: no reason why it'd cause problems though |
| 15:31.16 | suppaman | I've freed like 1gb of space out 4gb hd |
| 15:31.34 | st1650 | ok |
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| 15:32.04 | st1650 | And I supposed the network install iso will have the storage drivers/modules for the 3ware controller ? |
| 15:32.20 | Penix | not sure about that one. google would know |
| 15:32.25 | Penix | !listkeys 3ware |
| 15:32.26 | dpkg | Factoid search of '3ware' by key returned no results. |
| 15:34.05 | shrift | I'ma try again.... anyone know why tomcat is rewriting catalina.out like this everytime I restart the tomcat service? |
| 15:34.08 | shrift | prwx------ 1 tomcat55 root 0 2008-04-16 11:37 catalina.out |
| 15:34.28 | shrift | makes it so tomcat doesn't work because it can't write to that file |
| 15:35.06 | idimmu | doesnt debian's tomcat use some really crazy socket thing to get around tomcat's absolutely fucking dire logging? |
| 15:35.24 | shrift | : ( no idea |
| 15:35.35 | idimmu | like, it logs to a socket which redirects to a file that then gets rotated |
| 15:35.59 | idimmu | i remember having to undo that as there was a bug in a package and i had a similar problem to what you has |
| 15:36.22 | shrift | hmmm |
| 15:36.26 | shrift | any idea what I can look at? |
| 15:36.34 | shrift | documentaion etc? |
| 15:36.34 | CoolCold | hello |
| 15:36.58 | CoolCold | did someone tryed to compile newer e1000 driver with 2.6.18 ? |
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| 15:37.36 | jelly | I want to create a complete copy of metadata of a filesystem, including directories and files, so that I don't have to mkfs and create the files in case of coruption. I don't care about the actual data, just the fs layout. Is there a channel for ext2/ext3, or linux filesystems in general? |
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| 15:38.00 | peterius | my sleep button just stopped working recently after some kernel changes and I'm trying to figure out why, I ran gnome-power-manager in verbose mode and its not getting the sleep key notification but it is being sent out |
| 15:38.02 | CoolCold | i've tryed copying drivers/net/e1000 from 2.6.24 into drivers/net/e1000 of 2.6.18, compilation fails |
| 15:38.20 | CoolCold | and tryed archive from intel |
| 15:38.33 | CoolCold | compilation fails too |
| 15:38.54 | keith4 | you copied code from a 2.6.24 module into the 2.6.18 tree, and you're surprised that it failed? |
| 15:39.04 | jelly | st1650: 3ware is well supported in linux. If you have a very new card, you might have to use a newer kernel, though. |
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| 15:39.28 | CoolCold | keith4: well, intel ships universal linux driver, so i hoped it'll compile ;) |
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| 15:39.49 | peterius | /var/acpid/log says its notifying X11 as well as my battery applet but nothing happens |
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| 15:41.29 | jelly | CoolCold: well, that's not the usual way to build an out of tree module. |
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| 15:42.48 | CoolCold | and i'm trying to find "usual" way |
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| 15:45.44 | jelly | CoolCold: something like: unpack the source. you ought to have a Makefile with it. do "KSRC=/usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) make modules" to build |
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| 15:46.48 | Rapp | hi everyone |
| 15:46.54 | jelly | CoolCold: build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) should be installed before that |
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| 15:47.29 | Rapp | how do i enable randr in xorg.conf? |
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| 15:48.11 | stew | Rapp: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:48.28 | jelly | CoolCold: it that works, I usually just overwrite the packaged modules in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/wherever but there's probably a cleaner way to install. then do "depmod -a", and update-initramfs for that kernel |
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| 15:53.12 | shrift | idimmu: did you have anymore insight by chance? |
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| 15:53.22 | caissara | instalei o debian 4.0 r3 e configurei o adsl via ppoeconfi porem quando reinicio o pc tenho que fazer tudo outra vez |
| 15:53.30 | idimmu | nah my memory sux :( |
| 15:53.34 | XoX | does debian have the pam_xauth module for auto importing Cookie when changing with sudo? |
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| 15:54.55 | caissara | ? |
| 15:55.03 | xbl | 请é®å¤§å®¶ç¨ä»ä¹çç½ç»çµè§ï¼ |
| 15:55.13 | caissara | ? |
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| 15:55.34 | azeem | !br |
| 15:55.34 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:55.55 | azeem | !cn |
| 15:55.55 | dpkg | from memory, cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 15:56.12 | Haris1 | guys, has debian changed the way squid3-stable1 parses acl's? |
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| 15:56.27 | Haris1 | I have an acl that I can't figure out why gets implements on more than 1 IP |
| 15:56.38 | xbl | ok^sorry , thank you |
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| 16:00.01 | Haris1 | squid acl rules -> http://pastebin.ca/987510 |
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| 16:00.36 | Haris1 | When I remove the http_reply_access line, the line earlier than this one which contains http_reply_access gets implemented and it denies access |
| 16:00.39 | Haris1 | Can't figure out, why |
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| 16:23.48 | suppaman | pretty quiet |
| 16:24.00 | UsLanmaz | Hi |
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| 16:25.21 | Nurulwai | Is it possible to remount / without a reboot? |
| 16:25.34 | Nurulwai | Like from hda to hdb. |
| 16:25.58 | suppaman | that's not a remount |
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| 16:26.37 | Nurulwai | Sure it is. You unmount it from one place and mount it elsewhere. It's not a remount in the sense of -o remount but there's no need to be pedantic. |
| 16:26.46 | suppaman | as you wish |
| 16:27.09 | Nurulwai | Do you have assistance or just sarcasm? |
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| 16:28.06 | muhah | how do i make iceweasel understand jar files |
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| 16:28.28 | muhah | when i click a jar it has to install some thing |
| 16:28.49 | muhah | instead wice-easel asks me what i want to do with it |
| 16:28.58 | cahoot | Nurulwai: I might be totally off track here - but that sounds like a chroot |
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| 16:29.46 | muhah | the java plugin is broken in the upgrade |
| 16:29.58 | Kossy | Hi |
| 16:30.00 | muhah | there is no bug report for the java plugin inthe BTS |
| 16:30.02 | Nurulwai | cahoot: basically I'm migrating / from one drive to another, and I figure it'd be a neat trick to do it without a reboot. Chroot could work but I have no idea how much it'll cry when it realises what it chrooted from has disappeared. |
| 16:30.20 | cahoot | neither do I |
| 16:30.43 | muhah | so i went to suns site and got me their java stuff and installed it and made the link to the plugin and so on |
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| 16:31.37 | Kossy | I've got Debian etch with gcc 4.1 and want to use it with bounds checking. The patch is available for 4.0.4 version. Is it possible not to patch the gcc, but just to install deb package and compile with gcc && bounds checking - if so - which one should I install ? |
| 16:31.54 | muhah | i downloaded 20 megabytes of sun code for a lousy plugin of some kbs |
| 16:32.29 | muhah | still iceweasel doesnt want to understand it has to use the plugin |
| 16:33.03 | muhah | opens the window |
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| 16:35.09 | muhah | if you JUST install the deb package Kossy then apt will take care of version for you |
| 16:35.22 | muhah | Kossy: its not your concern |
| 16:35.32 | UsLanmaz | Hi |
| 16:35.36 | ALeMCii | :)) |
| 16:35.39 | UsLanmaz | : )) |
| 16:35.51 | UsLanmaz | We Need A HeLp |
| 16:36.12 | muhah | did you google it ? |
| 16:36.15 | UsLanmaz | Can U Help Me Muhah |
| 16:36.17 | UsLanmaz | Yes |
| 16:36.23 | UsLanmaz | I Did. |
| 16:36.37 | SlayerXP | suspects UsLanmaz is beyond help |
| 16:36.46 | UsLanmaz | Beyond |
| 16:36.47 | UsLanmaz | ? |
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| 16:37.00 | Kossy | muhah, yes |
| 16:37.23 | ALeMCii | la debhelper yazsan botmu oada |
| 16:37.32 | muhah | UsLanmaz: did you try 'F1' ? |
| 16:38.03 | azeem_ | ALeMCii: please write in english |
| 16:38.10 | UsLanmaz | No ý Dont Want It |
| 16:38.11 | UsLanmaz | := |
| 16:38.12 | ALeMCii | :)) |
| 16:38.13 | UsLanmaz | Is It GLine ? |
| 16:38.16 | UsLanmaz | : ))) |
| 16:38.28 | UsLanmaz | I Need A Server For My Bots |
| 16:38.33 | azeem_ | UsLanmaz: do you have a Debian question? |
| 16:38.35 | muhah | UsLanmaz: my pm is broken |
| 16:38.39 | Kossy | So the only way to have bounds checking is to install proper version of gcc, and patch it with corresponding bounds-checking patch ? |
| 16:38.47 | UsLanmaz | Is It Free? |
| 16:38.51 | UsLanmaz | ý OnLy Ask It |
| 16:39.09 | UsLanmaz | You Speak For Me Thank But ý Dont Understand U |
| 16:39.18 | azeem | 18:36 < azeem_> UsLanmaz: do you have a Debian question? |
| 16:39.38 | muhah | you need some meds |
| 16:40.23 | simonrvn | (we've got some live ones here...) |
| 16:40.39 | UsLanmaz | No I Can Accumulate My Bots In This Server |
| 16:40.46 | suppaman | I'm still having a issues with modules |
| 16:40.47 | muhah | haha |
| 16:40.51 | UsLanmaz | Can I Accumulate My Bots In This Server |
| 16:40.55 | UsLanmaz | ?: ))) |
| 16:40.57 | muhah | no UsLanmaz |
| 16:41.09 | simonrvn | UsLanmaz: ask in #freenode |
| 16:41.20 | muhah | UsLanmaz: this is a strict kick and ban zone |
| 16:41.20 | suppaman | shouldn't "m-a prepare" check that the environment is safe? |
| 16:41.29 | UsLanmaz | But Why |
| 16:41.33 | UsLanmaz | TotaL 15-20 |
| 16:41.35 | UsLanmaz | Bots |
| 16:41.52 | UsLanmaz | It Isnt HarmfuLL |
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| 16:42.03 | suppaman | your casing is, tho' |
| 16:42.22 | bmr | AcK. |
| 16:42.36 | simonrvn | UsLanmaz: it's not the number it's what you plan on doing with them |
| 16:42.54 | suppaman | how can I check what compiler release has built the kernel image I'm running? |
| 16:42.57 | muhah | UsLanmaz: this is a debian support channel and if you dont ask a question thats in the topic the OPs will kick you |
| 16:43.10 | simonrvn | suppaman: it checks to make sure you have the right deps, IIRC |
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| 16:44.36 | UsLanmaz | I Meet Other Admin For This Subject ? |
| 16:44.39 | UsLanmaz | Is Possible |
| 16:44.42 | UsLanmaz | In Freenode? |
| 16:44.45 | UsLanmaz | : ) |
| 16:45.00 | muhah | so what the command to have iceweasel (former firefox) use java properly ? |
| 16:45.09 | muhah | just a oneliner will do fine |
| 16:45.15 | simonrvn | install the browser plugin |
| 16:45.19 | themill | !install java |
| 16:45.19 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. |
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| 16:45.38 | simonrvn | have non-free, and fetch the sun-java one or use a free one |
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| 16:45.58 | simonrvn | there ya go, thanks themill |
| 16:46.06 | ehird` | What's the average install time for Debian on an old crusty computer these days? |
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| 16:46.12 | themill | simonrvn: :) |
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| 16:46.14 | ehird` | Specifically, 1.8ghz |
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| 16:46.20 | azeem | ehird`: depends |
| 16:46.22 | muhah | sun-java6-plugin: Depends: xulrunner-1.9 but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
| 16:46.24 | ehird` | and ~480mb of ram |
| 16:46.27 | simonrvn | ehird`: that's not crusty |
| 16:46.35 | ehird` | simonrvn: oh, thsi computer is most certainly crusty |
| 16:46.35 | azeem | muhah: which version of debian? |
| 16:46.44 | ehird` | little of the hardware agrees with each other. |
| 16:46.49 | simonrvn | muhah: run an update, it's been in side for a few days |
| 16:46.53 | cloakable | ehird`: should be pretty quick, though depends on what you're installing. |
| 16:46.53 | simonrvn | sid* |
| 16:46.54 | muhah | i already told you its broken |
| 16:47.26 | azeem | muhah: so don't use sid, d'oh |
| 16:47.26 | simonrvn | xulrunner-1.9 is present |
| 16:47.34 | themill | muhah: if you're running sid, then you should know how to deal with that... |
| 16:47.38 | azeem | simonrvn: in experimental |
| 16:47.46 | ehird` | cloakable: Not much, I can install after the fact. A desktop, the basic utilities, and the standard collection of apps, I guess. |
| 16:47.52 | ehird` | cloakable: Probably an unstable netinstall |
| 16:47.57 | simonrvn | azeem: ah ok |
| 16:48.02 | simonrvn | that explains it |
| 16:48.03 | azeem | somebody uploaded java from an unclean dev environment it seems |
| 16:48.03 | muhah | E: Package xulrunner-1.9 has no installation candidate |
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| 16:48.31 | cloakable | ehird`: Your connection will be the bottleneck on that hardware :P |
| 16:48.33 | muhah | my deb source : deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ unstable contrib main non-fre |
| 16:48.47 | edward__ | hi |
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| 16:48.58 | edward__ | any1 gor the e1000e network driver to work.. ? |
| 16:48.58 | ehird` | cloakable: Haha, you'd think. But it somehow manages to be unbearably slow. |
| 16:49.12 | suppaman | simonrvn: seems I don't have headers for my kernel |
| 16:49.15 | ehird` | cloakable: The RAM is incompatible with the other sticks, I think. |
| 16:49.24 | simonrvn | ehird`: took me under an hour to install base+standard on a p3/500 256 mb ram |
| 16:49.25 | ehird` | And the other hardware just has tons of rows with itself all the time. |
| 16:49.28 | ehird` | It's not a stable system |
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| 16:49.48 | twobitsp1ite | oops |
| 16:49.51 | muhah | themill: if we only should run sid when we know EVERYTHING we might as well quit |
| 16:49.59 | simonrvn | took longer to install and configure packages than it did for the install itself |
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| 16:50.17 | cloakable | ehird`: Hmmm. I've had no problems on some pretty exotic setups :P |
| 16:50.32 | ehird` | cloakable: Depends if 'exotic' means 'broken' - there's a reason this machien isn't my main one any more |
| 16:50.37 | suppaman | does 2.6.24 have include/linux/confg.h ? |
| 16:50.54 | ehird` | does the netinstall have the fancy gui installer, by the way? |
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| 16:50.59 | themill | muhah: this is a common problem in sid. You need to know enough about debian to deal with such problems before you start running sid. If you don't like problems like that, then run stable. |
| 16:51.00 | Mark17 | hello |
| 16:51.04 | cloakable | ehird`: exotic means windows crashes and burns on install :P |
| 16:51.12 | Mark17 | is it possible to see to what IP traffic goes on a server? |
| 16:51.24 | simonrvn | ehird`: your box will probably be more likely to be disk i/o bound than anything |
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| 16:51.31 | ehird` | simonrvn: Yes. |
| 16:51.32 | muhah | themill nice try |
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| 16:51.45 | ehird` | Hmm, there seem to be multiple netinstalls now. Which ones have the GUI and which don't? |
| 16:51.48 | Mark17 | like i have 10 virtual ethernet cards (eth0:1, eth0:2, etc.) and want to see to what ip traffic goes |
| 16:51.52 | themill | muhah: what am I trying to do? |
| 16:51.54 | ehird` | I'd like a painless install today, just want to get a decent OS on here |
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| 16:52.13 | simonrvn | suppaman: IIRC, that file is generated upon configuration (e.g. make menuconfig + the build). headers package will have it |
| 16:52.18 | muhah | themill: insted i just wanna be lazy and go to some support channel and ask my question there |
| 16:52.24 | Mark17 | or from what ip the traffic comes (when outgoing) |
| 16:52.34 | muhah | yawn |
| 16:52.43 | suppaman | simonrvn: I don't, and apt thinks linux-headers for my kernel is installed |
| 16:52.47 | simonrvn | we don't support lazy |
| 16:53.05 | muhah | themill: im waiting some titties so i got nothing to do anyway |
| 16:53.12 | suppaman | simonrvn: I say I don't have it as 1) module fails to build 2) I can't find it with find in /usr/src |
| 16:53.13 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: I think you want kernel-tree or something like that |
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| 16:53.49 | simonrvn | suppaman: like twobitsp1ite implied, your build environment isn't complete |
| 16:54.23 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: er yeah, its linux-tree-2.6.24 that you want |
| 16:54.47 | twobitsp1ite | that should have the build tree of the kernel that debian used to build the kernel |
| 16:54.53 | muhah | so how come the package i was referring to is available for you and not for me simonrvn |
| 16:54.56 | suppaman | I tought m-a would have installed it |
| 16:55.20 | themill | muhah: wtf? sid is not usually supported here -- sid users should be able to fix their own problems. Lazy people also are not supported. Sid users who are lazy and cannot use packages.debian.org or the bts are definitely not supported. |
| 16:55.25 | suppaman | muhah: maybe he's higher in grade |
| 16:55.49 | muhah | themill: yawn |
| 16:55.58 | simonrvn | muhah: because i configured my system in such a way that it's available |
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| 16:56.15 | themill | muhah: if you're tired, go grab some sleep and come back when you're in a good problem solving mood. |
| 16:56.29 | muhah | themill: BACK ! |
| 16:56.44 | twobitsp1ite | muhah: disrespecting people won't earn you any points around here |
| 16:56.48 | simonrvn | muhah: FRONT! |
| 16:57.02 | suppaman | twobitsp1ite: so I should install linux-tree rather than linux-headers, shouldn't I? |
| 16:57.10 | simonrvn | suppaman: both |
| 16:57.20 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: yeah, I believe so... or maybe both as simonrvn says |
| 16:57.25 | simonrvn | though i think -tree will pull in -headers |
| 16:57.31 | simonrvn | checks |
| 16:57.33 | mardi | i never used debian before last week, and i really like it so far |
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| 16:58.33 | muhah | the question is never whether i fix the errors or not because its just a matter of time before i do but sometimes i like to take it easy and go to see what the freaks at #debian can tell me |
| 16:58.34 | suppaman | what are those {a} I see after package name? |
| 16:58.34 | twobitsp1ite | simonrvn: i think the diff is that -headers puts the stuff in /usr/include that you need when building source that makes system calls... whereas -tree is the directory tree of the linux source in the state after being configured, etc |
| 16:58.41 | simonrvn | suppaman: deps on linux-source-2.6.24 (in sid) |
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| 16:58.48 | simonrvn | (and other stuff) |
| 16:59.09 | simonrvn | twobitsp1ite: not quite no, 2 different things |
| 16:59.17 | suppaman | simonrvn: I used to build modules and I can't remember installing linux-tree before |
| 16:59.29 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: are you installing vmware or something? |
| 16:59.36 | muhah | so now im gonna check out some apt sources |
| 16:59.36 | suppaman | no |
| 16:59.40 | muhah | yes |
| 16:59.41 | suppaman | twobitsp1ite: why? |
| 17:00.01 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: ohh... because vmware is the only thing I've found that needs -tree installed |
| 17:00.05 | twobitsp1ite | just curious |
| 17:00.17 | suppaman | twobitsp1ite: nvidia-kernel-legacy and rt2400 |
| 17:00.20 | suppaman | maybe kqemu |
| 17:00.23 | twobitsp1ite | ahh |
| 17:00.30 | suppaman | the latter builds actualyl |
| 17:00.32 | suppaman | actually |
| 17:00.43 | suppaman | while nvidia and rt2400 both fail |
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| 17:00.55 | ehird` | Anyone know re: netinstall gui? |
| 17:00.55 | twobitsp1ite | speaking of kqemu... the only kqemu package I see is for 2.6.24, but I'm stuck with 2.6.22 :( |
| 17:01.16 | twobitsp1ite | ehird`: the gui is the same as the text installer, I don't see why you need it... |
| 17:01.21 | suppaman | twobitsp1ite: is that a binary package? |
| 17:01.28 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: yeah |
| 17:01.29 | iguanna | hi all, i am collecting information about backup my system doing... |
| 17:01.49 | ehird` | twobitsp1ite: eh :) |
| 17:01.53 | iguanna | dd -if /dev/hda > partitionimage.dd |
| 17:02.16 | twobitsp1ite | iguanna: I hope you are putting partitionimage.dd on a seperate disk :) |
| 17:02.27 | simonrvn | meh. gpm is still making aptitude stall out... *files bug* |
| 17:02.34 | twobitsp1ite | besides... dd is a horrible way to backup your system |
| 17:02.43 | cloakable | iguanna: dd if=/dev/hda/ of=partitionimage.dd |
| 17:02.46 | suppaman | twobitsp1ite: why don't you upgrade kernel? |
| 17:02.49 | twobitsp1ite | why not tar jcvf / ? |
| 17:02.52 | cloakable | See also backuppc |
| 17:02.58 | cloakable | !backuppc |
| 17:03.25 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: because like an idiot I only gave 16MB to /boot, and I don't have enough space there to upgrade :P ... I'll boot from a livecd at some point and parted it |
| 17:03.35 | iguanna | twobitsp1ite, how can i put the partitionimage file in other disk? |
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| 17:03.50 | twobitsp1ite | iguanna: how can you put an image of a disk on the disk itself? :P |
| 17:04.26 | neville_ | When is the next major release of Debian expected? |
| 17:04.35 | themill | !lenny |
| 17:04.35 | dpkg | lenny is probably the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
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| 17:04.56 | neville_ | Ahh, thanks |
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| 17:05.18 | ehird` | Meh. |
| 17:05.26 | twobitsp1ite | iguanna: besides, do you really want to back up all of the unused space? sounds like a waste |
| 17:05.28 | iguanna | twobitsp1ite, my idea is to make the backup and then copy the partitioimage.dd inside other disk |
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| 17:05.46 | axolx_ | hey guys -- how can i declare a var in a SH script that is a list of files to be processed . im running into problems because some of the filepaths contain spaces |
| 17:05.52 | twobitsp1ite | iguanna: just don't use dd... use tar |
| 17:06.10 | twobitsp1ite | axolx_: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:06.25 | iguanna | why 'dd' will copy the unused space? |
| 17:06.32 | iguanna | and tar doesn't |
| 17:06.34 | iguanna | ? |
| 17:06.35 | themill | axolx_: that's usually only a problem when you're approaching things the wrong way. |
| 17:06.50 | twobitsp1ite | iguanna: it copies every sector of the drive, it doesn't care about filesystems, just raw data |
| 17:07.11 | axolx_ | twobitsp1ite: i want the sh script to eventually run TAR $TARFILE $FILES |
| 17:07.23 | iguanna | uhmm ok |
| 17:07.29 | axolx_ | twobitsp1ite: im having trouble defining $FILES because some of the path/filenames have spaces |
| 17:07.30 | iguanna | i will study that option |
| 17:07.44 | ehird` | hm, the gui installer doesn't support multitasking does it? (running the system while installing) |
| 17:07.48 | axolx_ | themill: ok... any suggestions on how to do things the right way? |
| 17:07.50 | themill | axolx_: hmm... double quoting is likely to be your only option, but tar can accept a list of files from a file itself. |
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| 17:08.06 | iguanna | because i have to find out how to restore my system from a tar backup |
| 17:08.26 | twobitsp1ite | axolx_: ok... here's an example of the right way: find / -type f -name foo -print0 | xargs -0 tar cvf foo.tar |
| 17:08.46 | suppaman | how comes dpkg report 2.6.24-5 is installed but I see 2.6.24-1 in /boot? |
| 17:08.49 | twobitsp1ite | axolx_: now, because I don't know what you're trying to do I can't give you a specific solution, but that's the idea |
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| 17:08.58 | themill | axolx_: but using xargs with -0 wil be easier. |
| 17:08.59 | axolx_ | twobitsp1ite: but why use find? this is a script that is going to TAR always the same files |
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| 17:09.26 | suppaman | this module things is getting messy, and without rt2400 I can't connect anymore the box to internet |
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| 17:09.34 | twobitsp1ite | axolx_: like I said... the important point is that find is seperating files with the NULL character, and xargs is looking for NULL as delimiter |
| 17:09.35 | axolx_ | twobitsp1ite: its a script to tar a set of files into my usb thumb drive. i want to define the files at the top of the SH script so i can change them easily |
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| 17:09.56 | themill | axolx_: you could still set the variable statically with \0 between entries and then use xargs like that. Or ask in #bash |
| 17:10.21 | axolx_ | themill: twobitsp1ite: ok thanks |
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| 17:10.25 | drwahl | if i have a window open on my desktop at home, is it possible to grab that window from a remote location (via ssh) and forward it to the remote location without closing it? |
| 17:10.31 | themill | axolx_: or look at the --files-from option to tar |
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| 17:10.40 | twobitsp1ite | axolx_: yeah, #bash is probably a better place... but if the list of files isn't going to change you can just put the list in a file and tar has an option to read list of files from a file |
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| 17:10.54 | GhostDevil | hello. I am using etch 4.0 with syslogd 1.4.1 I have looked in the man pages and googled. can syslogd send to a remote host via tcp? |
| 17:10.54 | CoolCold | jelly: updated driver almost as u said, vmware rebooted ok, but real server failed to boot ;( |
| 17:11.43 | twobitsp1ite | axolx_: the problem is that the only character which isn't valid in UNIX file names is NULL... but building a list in a single string var is usually a poor design choice and there are usually better ways to do it |
| 17:11.51 | jelly | CoolCold: eh, try using a newer kernel from backports.org. |
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| 17:12.12 | suppaman | how can set an environment variable for make when using sudo ? |
| 17:12.32 | twobitsp1ite | VAR="val" sudo cmd |
| 17:12.39 | axolx_ | twobitsp1ite: what is the NULL char? a space? |
| 17:12.44 | kalpik | hi! im planning to install sid from the netinstall CD.. anyone would have a link to any guide or such? i mean what all packages to install after getting the base system up? |
| 17:12.56 | twobitsp1ite | axolx_: no... its hex value 00 ... |
| 17:13.05 | axolx_ | twobitsp1ite: can i use something like <<<EOF in sh scripts? |
| 17:13.42 | twobitsp1ite | axolx_: yes... but I don't think that does what you think it does |
| 17:13.46 | suppaman | twobitsp1ite: that doesn't work |
| 17:13.49 | suppaman | that's why I asked |
| 17:14.10 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: hmm... I thought it should |
| 17:14.16 | simonrvn | kalpik: you don't install sid from cd. use a kmuto iso if you need newer support for your hardware |
| 17:14.21 | simonrvn | !kmuto |
| 17:14.22 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 17:14.39 | CoolCold | jelly: that's ovz kernel :( |
| 17:14.41 | axolx_ | twobitsp1ite: can i echo my double quoted list of files an pipe it through xargs? |
| 17:14.53 | CoolCold | 2.6.24 ovz isn't stable enougth |
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| 17:15.18 | kalpik | simonrvn, i thought the netinstall cd was the way to go for installing sid from scratch! |
| 17:15.26 | twobitsp1ite | axolx_: double quoting the whole list won't help you |
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| 17:15.39 | twobitsp1ite | axolx_: anyways... at this point you really need to ask #bash about this |
| 17:15.46 | axolx_ | twobitsp1ite: i know. i tried that for a while this morning before asking :) |
| 17:15.52 | axolx_ | twobitsp1ite: ok thanks |
| 17:15.58 | simonrvn | kalpik: you assumed *shrug* |
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| 17:16.32 | simonrvn | kalpik: the testing isos are for *testing*; install etch then upgrade to lenny if you want lenny |
| 17:16.54 | simonrvn | i don't recommend you using sid |
| 17:17.13 | kalpik | simonrvn, hmm.. i was thinking of setting up apt-pinning |
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| 17:17.54 | simonrvn | i can only suggest things. |
| 17:18.10 | kalpik | simonrvn, i appreciate your suggestions :) |
| 17:18.15 | suppaman | simonrvn: I 'm still not able to find linux/config.h in /usr/src |
| 17:18.34 | suppaman | simonrvn: shouldn't linux-tree have provided it? |
| 17:19.16 | kalpik | simonrvn, but then my original question remains.. after installing the base system, what all should i install.. i mean xorg, gnome etc.. is there a guide of any sorts? |
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| 17:19.54 | suppaman | kalpik: it depends on what you need |
| 17:20.11 | kalpik | suppaman, exactly.. i need a lean system.. |
| 17:20.25 | suppaman | let me cheak "lean" |
| 17:20.42 | themill | kalpik: so only install the packages you need then |
| 17:20.54 | simonrvn | lean is installed by default. everything else is extra or optional |
| 17:21.10 | kalpik | see for example.. there is the gnome metapackage and the gnome-core metapackage.. like that, are there any other things i need to keep in mind? |
| 17:21.27 | kalpik | and what all i need to install to get X working? |
| 17:21.38 | simonrvn | lean is a normal install consisting of the original installer run, plus the reboot and dselect/aptitude run installing packages in standard |
| 17:21.39 | themill | kalpik: well you probably don't want the xorg metapackage then. |
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| 17:22.10 | kalpik | themill, that's what i was talking about.. can i get a guide of what all metapackes install what |
| 17:22.18 | MatBoy | hey guys ! I switched from php5 to php4 to php5 and php files oon php5 are now downloaded and not served... so something is not loaded right... |
| 17:22.23 | kalpik | then i can decide what i need |
| 17:22.40 | simonrvn | suppaman: as for that file, i don't see it either; sounds like you have an old package. i'm running a local build of 2.6.24.x |
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| 17:23.17 | themill | !tell MatBoy about php |
| 17:23.19 | manuel_ | hi! someone here use Compiz? |
| 17:23.34 | manuel_ | I can't found Xgl server on SID |
| 17:23.43 | simonrvn | (i figured that would happen ;) |
| 17:23.55 | themill | simonrvn: I'm surprised it took that long though |
| 17:24.11 | MatBoy | themill, yes I know about that... I had it once before |
| 17:24.20 | simonrvn | me too a bit, but since it was a real person they're a bit more careful |
| 17:24.35 | themill | MatBoy: did you a2dismod php4; a2enmod php5? |
| 17:24.51 | MatBoy | themill, yes |
| 17:25.04 | themill | simonrvn: I'd make lousy staff... he'd have been gone a long time ago... |
| 17:25.12 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 17:26.01 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: well... config.h might not be in a directory named linux... try find /usr/src -name config.h |
| 17:26.04 | simonrvn | when i used to have ops here i would've too, but i wouldn't have any legit reason to do so, only suspicions |
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| 17:26.19 | MatBoy | themill, I will reboot, have seen it before that it might help :) |
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| 17:26.36 | themill | MatBoy: did you restart apache since changing the modules? |
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| 17:27.30 | MatBoy | themill, yes too |
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| 17:28.06 | themill | MatBoy: is php listed in apache2ctl -M ? |
| 17:28.40 | MatBoy | themill, also yes |
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| 17:29.30 | MatBoy | themill, php5_module (shared) |
| 17:29.39 | themill | MatBoy: and you have a /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf with AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
| 17:29.53 | adv_ | how can i see the biggest files in order on my disk? |
| 17:29.53 | MatBoy | themill, also |
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| 17:30.13 | themill | MatBoy: hmmm... odd. Should have stayed away from php4 :) |
| 17:30.26 | themill | MatBoy: Nothing in logs, I presume? |
| 17:30.29 | MatBoy | themill, it seems so |
| 17:30.44 | MatBoy | themill, need to check them, but I think not |
| 17:30.52 | MatBoy | a resinatll of apache and php was no option |
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| 17:31.29 | themill | MatBoy: and also verify what's happening using HEAD or GET or wget or telnet or netcat or something to verify that it's not just your browser that's lying to you. |
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| 17:32.46 | MatBoy | themill, it must be my browser because after my reboot I got the same download file and this was not possible because I didn't remove a default route using the commandline first ;) |
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| 17:33.31 | MatBoy | themill, damn FF !! :P |
| 17:33.35 | MatBoy | thanks |
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| 17:33.48 | MatBoy | normally I would call myself stupid when I come with such solutions :) |
| 17:33.50 | themill | MatBoy: the browser is usually to blame in this game. Once it wants to download, it's hard to "refresh" in such a way as to convince it not to. |
| 17:34.05 | Legality | hi, is there a way to monitor a ssh-users bash via root access? |
| 17:34.09 | MatBoy | themill, apt-get remove --purge firefox :P |
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| 17:34.21 | themill | MatBoy: that's why dpkg told you to make sure it wasn't your browser :) |
| 17:35.15 | MatBoy | themill, :) |
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| 17:36.20 | stew | firefox is just a transitional package anyway |
| 17:36.35 | MatBoy | stew, :) kick me :D |
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| 17:37.03 | themill | stew: now now... |
| 17:37.08 | stew | :) |
| 17:37.13 | MatBoy | stew, you even didn't frightend me :P |
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| 17:37.30 | MatBoy | stew, everything well ? |
| 17:37.54 | stew | my shoulder hurts |
| 17:37.59 | manuel_ | where can I get Xgl server for SID ? |
| 17:38.00 | stew | and i found my first grey hairs |
| 17:38.06 | MatBoy | stew,, mine too... |
| 17:38.09 | themill | !comfort stew |
| 17:38.09 | dpkg | There, there, stew. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 17:38.15 | MatBoy | stew, woman think that is sexy |
| 17:38.28 | stew | manuel_: is there a reason that you want to use Xgl and not aiglx? |
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| 17:39.53 | manuel_ | aiglx supports compiz? |
| 17:40.00 | stew | manuel_: yes |
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| 17:40.48 | simonrvn | crap. this monitor is still doing this striped stuff :(. i wonder if it's dying or something. |
| 17:41.37 | neville_ | Cable might be dodgey? Try jiggling it? |
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| 17:42.13 | MatBoy | why the hack do I get undefined variables ona debian lamp install and not on centos ? |
| 17:42.16 | MatBoy | same site |
| 17:42.23 | drwahl | what is the difference between virtual memory and cached memory? |
| 17:43.04 | MatBoy | drwahl, cached is hold in the virtual mem :) |
| 17:43.04 | stew | MatBoy: which variables? |
| 17:43.13 | MatBoy | stew, of my php script |
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| 17:43.17 | MatBoy | I don't get it |
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| 17:43.45 | simonrvn | neville_: i checked the cables and connections yesterday, seem ok |
| 17:43.57 | DiVoRaM | hi there! |
| 17:43.59 | simonrvn | it's an ooold monitor |
| 17:44.05 | drwahl | MatBoy: i don't really understand. it seeme like they are same thing. is virtual memory the container, and cached memory what is actually in the container? |
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| 17:44.08 | simonrvn | where? |
| 17:44.20 | stew | MatBoy: which variables? variables defined by POST variables? other globals? what variables? |
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| 17:44.43 | MatBoy | stew, just variables I set in the script, so gloabls |
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| 17:45.08 | fat_rat | hi i want to install lenny do i need to download all 4 dvd's? |
| 17:45.10 | stew | MatBoy: you set them one place in the script and they are undefined later in the script? |
| 17:45.18 | themill | MatBoy: you have a different level of warning turned on for php? Undefined variable is E_NOTICE which is normally not turned on for production stuff. |
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| 17:45.52 | MatBoy | themill, I'm setting that up now... but it's just weird that it happens :) |
| 17:46.25 | suppaman | simonrvn twobitsp1ite: rt2400 build is failing, here's the output |
| 17:46.27 | suppaman | http://rafb.net/p/8mRRWv35.html |
| 17:46.56 | themill | (or is it E_WARN... ) In any case, you want your code to be clean when running under E_STRICT as that forces good practices on you and saves nasty surprises. It's also a good debugging aid.. and you bloody well need all the help you can get with php unless you've paid lots for a commercial debugger. |
| 17:46.57 | suppaman | I'm running 2.6.24-1, installed linux-headers-2.6.24-5 and linux-tree-2.6.24-5 |
| 17:46.59 | stew | MatBoy: compare the php.ini files. it could be somehting like register_globals which is why i was asking about POST variables |
| 17:47.18 | MatBoy | stew, I have them, yeah blame me, turned on on both |
| 17:47.19 | suppaman | dpkg reports I have linux-image-2.6.24-5 installed but I see 2.6.24-1 with uname |
| 17:47.54 | themill | ewwww register_globals.... |
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| 17:48.08 | MatBoy | themill, yes, I thought I even didn't need them |
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| 17:48.37 | suppaman | !m-a |
| 17:48.37 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
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| 17:49.06 | sohmestra | Are stock debian kernels not compiled with QoS support? |
| 17:49.07 | hatsusen1 | Hey guys, I just picked up an ancient pc that came preinstalled with debian 3.1 for sparc stations |
| 17:49.08 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 17:49.33 | Ace2016 | is it possible make an existing partition into a raid partition? |
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| 17:49.40 | suppaman | hatsusen1: so it's not a pc |
| 17:49.43 | Ace2016 | existing install into a raid install |
| 17:49.48 | hatsusen1 | suppaman: good point |
| 17:49.50 | sohmestra | Is there any way, apart from looking at the kernel config, to tell if QoS support is included? |
| 17:49.51 | suppaman | hatsusen1: ;-) |
| 17:50.15 | hatsusen1 | anyway, I need the default password for debian's root |
| 17:50.28 | MatBoy | stew, weird btw, errors are on by default on debian |
| 17:50.33 | fat_rat | i'm about to install debian-testing (lenny) i've downloaded first dvd, is this an install one? or do i have to download the rest? |
| 17:50.33 | suppaman | hatsusen1: I think it is set at install time |
| 17:50.38 | Ace2016 | you make the default root password on the first install |
| 17:50.44 | abrotman | fat_rat: that's way more than enough .. and really a waste |
| 17:50.48 | hatsusen1 | yeah, that's kind of the problem |
| 17:50.56 | Ace2016 | so reinstall |
| 17:50.58 | suppaman | hatsusen1: can't you pass init=/bin/sh to the kernel? |
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| 17:51.13 | hatsusen1 | hatsusen1: can't intercept the bootloader to set the init |
| 17:51.21 | suppaman | I don't know how bootloading works on SPARC |
| 17:51.29 | fat_rat | abrotman: should i download only 1 cd...? :/ |
| 17:51.33 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 17:51.33 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 17:52.00 | suppaman | hatsusen1: can't you grab a sparc install disc, chroot and passw root account? |
| 17:52.05 | MatBoy | get it I think |
| 17:52.09 | MatBoy | rights on the file |
| 17:52.34 | suppaman | simonrvn: still there? |
| 17:52.38 | hatsusen1 | suppaman: sure I can, but I don't have any cd's lying around, if I could just get in it'd save me an hour or something |
| 17:53.05 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: init=/bin/sh should work |
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| 17:53.29 | fat_rat | abrotman: Sarge has old stuff... you know gaim not pidgin and such... |
| 17:53.30 | twobitsp1ite | hatsusen1: ahh, I see (sorry, glacing over backlog :P) |
| 17:53.43 | suppaman | twobitsp1ite: can you help me further with m-a? |
| 17:53.54 | suppaman | twobitsp1ite: I badly need the rt2400 module |
| 17:54.18 | emergo | [unstable] trying to install iceweasel or icedove, but get no installation candidate on libhunspell-1.1-0 (>= 1.1.6-1), Im i missing a line in sources.list or something ? |
| 17:54.23 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: you can always just build the kernel from source :) that should leave a config.h ... although I thought there was some way to get a preconfigured kernel in debian |
| 17:54.26 | madclicker | i have a dell percision 650 and have no luck installing either Etch nor Lenny. It kind of freesez at the ethernet sellection and no keys respond accept CRTL-ALT-DEL. SOS |
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| 17:55.37 | suppaman | twobitsp1ite: I'd not like to |
| 17:56.05 | abrotman | fat_rat: oh .. taht's outdated .. use the etch installer .. etch has gaim2.0beta3242525 orsoemthing |
| 17:56.06 | john133 | hello everybody |
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| 17:56.30 | fat_rat | abrotman: i want to move from ubuntu... or should't i...? |
| 17:56.36 | john133 | who is fat rat? |
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| 17:57.05 | foobar8 | hi! i am trying grub-pc/lenny again - works so far except update-grub does not recognize xen hypervisor+kernels - is there a /etc/grub.d/*xen somewhere? |
| 17:57.07 | twobitsp1ite | there's a "linux-kernel-headers" package... as opposed to the "linux-headers-..." packages... might try that? |
| 17:57.08 | fat_rat | john133: who is john133? ;P |
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| 17:57.24 | emergo | Im I missing something in this sources.list file or does it look good ? http://www.pastebin.se/194235 |
| 17:57.33 | abrotman | fat_rat: tht's up to you |
| 17:57.38 | deepfreez | hello |
| 17:57.44 | suppaman | twobitsp1ite: I'm switching to 2.6.18-3 then |
| 17:57.50 | suppaman | it has binary modules |
| 17:57.51 | twobitsp1ite | fat_rat: of course, most of us in here prefer debian... but that's a personal choice |
| 17:57.51 | abrotman | fat_rat: no one can decide that for you .. you'll have to try them both |
| 17:57.51 | john133 | john133 is a good person |
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| 17:57.58 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: hehe :) |
| 17:58.01 | abrotman | john133: do you have a Debian question? |
| 17:58.12 | john133 | yes |
| 17:58.50 | _moro_bana_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.50 | suppaman | damn No candidate version found for linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 17:58.52 | john133 | where can i get a debian os with only the base system and a desktop? (but none of the games that come with it) |
| 17:59.01 | abrotman | !tell _moro_bana_ about blootbot |
| 17:59.08 | abrotman | !tell john133 about d-i |
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| 18:00.13 | deepfreez | mm |
| 18:00.14 | john133 | where do i find a c++ compiler for debian? |
| 18:00.15 | suppaman | how comes apt lists pacakges that aren't available? can't I somehow "purge" cache to only get packages that are actually available? |
| 18:00.21 | john133 | i mean linux |
| 18:00.31 | halflife08 | john133: g++ |
| 18:00.34 | _moro_bana_ | abrotman: you mean to say i can have the program installed on my machine.? |
| 18:00.46 | suppaman | sometime I wonder what's wrong with ppl |
| 18:00.56 | abrotman | !tell john133 about b-e |
| 18:01.02 | abrotman | _moro_bana_: if you want .. yes |
| 18:01.38 | adama | I have a blootbot running on my company's IRC server ...very handy |
| 18:01.45 | _moro_bana_ | abrotman: will it speak then, lol. whats the name of the package? |
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| 18:02.01 | john133 | is dpkg a bot? |
| 18:02.23 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:02.31 | abrotman | _moro_bana_: google for blootbot |
| 18:02.42 | fat_rat | abrotman: can i choose a desktop, when installing debian or is it gnome by default? coz i would like to try fluxbox :] |
| 18:02.42 | _moro_bana_ | abrotman: ok. |
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| 18:03.34 | abrotman | fat_rat: you can if you choose .. skip the tasksel .. and when it's done `aptitude install xorg fluxbox xdm` |
| 18:03.40 | suppaman | fat_rat: you can choose, you can actually not install a DE at all |
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| 18:04.29 | xingu | man, this looks cool: http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=120716469703185&w=2 |
| 18:05.31 | suppaman | wth No candidate version found for linux-image-2.6.22-3-686 |
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| 18:05.48 | suppaman | can anyone help me in getting an older kernel image with rt2400 driver? |
| 18:06.13 | halflife08 | suppaman: what version of debian are you running |
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| 18:06.19 | fat_rat | last question (if i may) what's on the rest of DVD's? (there are 4) |
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| 18:06.30 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 18:06.30 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 18:06.43 | stew | fat_rat: 20,000 or so addition software packages |
| 18:06.44 | suppaman | halflife08: lenny |
| 18:06.57 | suppaman | I wonder why the hell didn't I stay with etch |
| 18:07.03 | abrotman | so do we! |
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| 18:07.26 | suppaman | I think I'm gonna wipe the system and reinstall etch onto root fs |
| 18:07.33 | stew | omg its so old |
| 18:07.44 | MatBoy | suppaman, you need to learn it the hard way :) |
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| 18:08.17 | suppaman | in the meanwhile I'd like to learn a few things: why do apt and dpkg give info on packages that aren't available? |
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| 18:08.25 | fat_rat | abrotman, suppaman, stew: thank you guys! :] |
| 18:08.31 | suppaman | fat_rat: me? |
| 18:08.34 | suppaman | yw |
| 18:08.37 | halflife08 | suppaman: doesn't 2.6.18-6-686 work for you on lenny ? |
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| 18:09.40 | suppaman | I was trying 2.6.18-3 as I saw binary modules for it |
| 18:09.57 | john133 | far_rat was a nick! i thought fat_rat was a debian package like etch or somethin like that |
| 18:09.58 | suppaman | btw are those -1 -3 -6 a debian thing? |
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| 18:10.57 | madclicker | hi, I am trying to install Etch or Lenny on a Dell Precisions 650. The install kind of freezes at the point where network selection can be made. No keys are responding except for CTRL-ALT-DEL. |
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| 18:13.50 | halflife08 | suppaman: yes -1 -3 -6 are debian versions |
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| 18:14.35 | suppaman | halflife08: ah I understand why there weren't candidate for -3 then |
| 18:14.46 | MatBoy | apache is www-data and id 33 in debian isn't it ? |
| 18:14.49 | suppaman | I bet when 2.6.22 is out 2.6.18 has reached -6 |
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| 18:16.21 | halflife08 | suppaman: if you got o packages.debian.org and search for linux-image-2.6.18 and set the distribution to any you can get what versions are available in which repository |
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| 18:18.21 | emergo | [unstable] trying to install iceweasel or icedove, but get no installation candidate on libhunspell-1.1-0 (>= 1.1.6-1), Im i missing a line in sources.list or something ? |
| 18:18.24 | halflife08 | suppaman: or do apt-cache search linux-image to get a list that are available in the current dist you are using |
| 18:18.35 | suppaman | halflife08: will modules for 2.6.18-3 work for 2.6.18-6 ? |
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| 18:18.57 | halflife08 | suppaman: i haven't tried that before, i don't know |
| 18:19.06 | halflife08 | emergo: did you run apt-get update ? |
| 18:19.58 | emergo | halflife08: yes, but I suspect I miss something in sources.list |
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| 18:20.45 | emergo | halflife08: http://www.pastebin.se/194236 of my sources.list |
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| 18:20.51 | halflife08 | emergo: packages in unstable are unstable all deps need not be satisfied. if you are able to run apt-get update without an error then there is nothing wrong with it |
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| 18:21.48 | ehird | I have a rather sundry NTFS filesystem. Nautilis doesn't want to mount it, if I mount it manually I do not have permissions toaccess it |
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| 18:22.07 | emergo | halflife08: well, I've been using it for quite som time and not that many packages are ususally messed up in unstable |
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| 18:22.20 | emergo | so I though Im missing something |
| 18:22.50 | halflife08 | emergo: well a search in packages.debian.org for libhunspell shows the version in it 1.2-0 |
| 18:22.57 | twobitsp1ite | emergo: when running unstable you can't make assumptions that something is supposed to work :) |
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| 18:24.20 | ehird | :/ |
| 18:24.31 | Mantaar | that said, stuff *is* in unstable and peoplpe *use* unstable in order to weed out the bugs and make that stuff stable... |
| 18:24.40 | Mantaar | ... so there's nothing wrong with unstable ;-) |
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| 18:25.00 | Mantaar | ... just be prepared for some rough sailing... |
| 18:25.24 | emergo | halflife08: but what does it mean ? I have old files ? not booted since last upgrade |
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| 18:25.39 | emergo | Mantaar: I cant stand old software :-)9 |
| 18:25.40 | rahul | emergo: it means you need to find the bug and fixing, being a bug tester |
| 18:25.47 | halflife08 | emergo: it is more likely that you need to run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 18:25.51 | rahul | emergo: then deal with broken software. it's not our problem |
| 18:26.06 | rahul | emergo: this channel is for debian support, not debian QA |
| 18:26.15 | emergo | but theres something very wrong, cause I went from testing to unstable and it seems some didnt get upgraded |
| 18:26.18 | halflife08 | emergo: and then try to install iceweasel |
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| 18:26.51 | rahul | emergo: look, it's off topic here. if you want to fix it, do so. if not, don't bother us. |
| 18:27.08 | emergo | rahul: since when didt this become a support channel for debian |
| 18:27.14 | halflife08 | ehird: what is the user you are trying to access the mount point ? are you able to cd into the mountpoint as a normal user ? what are the mount options ? |
| 18:27.26 | rahul | emergo: what, do you think you're in #ubuntu or something? |
| 18:27.31 | rahul | boggles at emergo |
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| 18:27.53 | rahul | this is #debian... support for debian... and NOT for debian QA. |
| 18:28.01 | suppaman | halflife08: 18-4 modules don't work |
| 18:28.14 | ehird | halflife08, 1. my regular user, 'ehird' 2. No, of course not -- I must 'sudo mkdir' and 'sudo mount' 3. Nothing but -t ntfs. |
| 18:28.18 | rahul | if you want to bug-test unstable, use the proper channels |
| 18:28.20 | suppaman | halflife08: I'm gonna cry |
| 18:28.35 | emergo | rahul: once, this was a channel where people help others. . . |
| 18:28.42 | rahul | emergo: it is |
| 18:28.52 | rahul | emergo: it's a channel where people help others with debian, not with QAing debian |
| 18:29.07 | emergo | you dont seem very friendly |
| 18:29.13 | suppaman | QA ? |
| 18:29.25 | emergo | I have no Idee ! |
| 18:29.26 | rahul | emergo: you don't seem very on-topic. |
| 18:29.31 | rahul | QA = Quality Assurance |
| 18:29.45 | ehird | :/ |
| 18:29.45 | rahul | he's using unstable, ergo he's either developing for debian or QAing |
| 18:29.48 | emergo | I thought qustion and answers |
| 18:30.08 | halflife08 | suppaman: prebuilt binaries ? from where? |
| 18:30.40 | jelly-home | emergo: in general, people here will try to help you with your issues on Debian, but if there's a bug in testing or unstable, you'll have to report it to the bug tracking system if it's not there already. |
| 18:30.42 | emergo | rahul: the question is, is there anything wrong with my sources.list file |
| 18:30.58 | rahul | emergo: probably not |
| 18:31.02 | rahul | emergo: it's just unstable. |
| 18:31.03 | emergo | cause I dont think its a bug. |
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| 18:31.20 | halflife08 | emergo: you were told that your sources.list is fine and there is no issue with that |
| 18:31.32 | rahul | emergo: yes, and being unable to know what's with your sources.list, you're so qualified to know what's a bug and what's not |
| 18:31.32 | ehird | Nobody? |
| 18:31.50 | emergo | well I had this befor upgrading to testing and It wasnt a bug, but Ill try some more |
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| 18:32.06 | rahul | ehird: man mount... look at the user, group, and umask options |
| 18:32.09 | halflife08 | ehird: can you run the command mount and paste the line that has to do with the mount point of ntfs |
| 18:32.21 | emergo | rahul: well, from experience, yes |
| 18:32.22 | rahul | emergo: whatever. don't talk to us about unstable. |
| 18:32.23 | halflife08 | ehird: and also look at mount man page |
| 18:32.31 | ehird | halflife08, It's not in the fstab. |
| 18:32.34 | emergo | rahul: figures |
| 18:32.48 | emergo | well thanks for you time |
| 18:32.48 | twobitsp1ite | I'm confused about dh_install ... the man page seems to contradict itself: it says "Files named debian/package.install list the files to install into each package and the directory they should be installed to. The format is a set of lines, where each line lists a file or files to install, and at the end of the line tells the directory it should be installed in" |
| 18:32.55 | rahul | yes, it does figure that a development release is not supported in normal user support channels |
| 18:32.57 | twobitsp1ite | but the examples don't match that description |
| 18:33.18 | rahul | twobitsp1ite: welcome to the world of documentation |
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| 18:33.36 | halflife08 | ehird: doesn't matter. running the command mount shows what the options it was mounted with appart from what you specified |
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| 18:34.00 | jelly-home | emergo: as for the sources.list in http://www.pastebin.se/194236, the only issue I see is that line 2 seems to be redundant. That's usually not a problem, though. |
| 18:34.10 | twobitsp1ite | rahul: any idea which way its supposed to be? |
| 18:34.11 | ehird | rahul, `mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/hda1 -o user,group` |
| 18:34.15 | ehird | still doesn't let me modify it |
| 18:34.20 | rahul | uh |
| 18:34.26 | rahul | ehird: read about them |
| 18:34.35 | rahul | ehird: tell me what the options mean |
| 18:34.57 | ehird | group Allow an ordinary (i.e., non-root) user to mount the file |
| 18:34.58 | ehird | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.58 | ehird | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:34.58 | rahul | twobitsp1ite: it's supposed to be what the code looks for. i.e., what works :) |
| 18:35.05 | rahul | gah |
| 18:35.19 | rahul | ehird: ok, that needs to be in the fstab |
| 18:35.22 | twobitsp1ite | rahul: heh... |
| 18:35.30 | rahul | ehird: although uid and gid options might be more useful to you |
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| 18:36.25 | stew | twobitsp1ite: what does an example line look like then? |
| 18:36.48 | ehird | Oh great, it finally works |
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| 18:39.50 | twobitsp1ite | stew: the examples show a number of lines with just paths... i.e., I assume that a line would look like "<src path> <dest path>" but the examples just have "<path>" in lines |
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| 18:40.00 | twobitsp1ite | stew: check the manpage for yourself :) |
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| 18:44.37 | stew | twobitsp1ite: yeah, then it is just copying from debian/tmp to debian/packagenmae, is it a multiple binary package? |
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| 18:48.56 | vjoe | hey, anyone using pypanel? |
| 18:49.27 | suppaman | !anyone |
| 18:49.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 18:50.44 | vjoe | hm... |
| 18:51.19 | suppaman | vjoe: I used it a while ago, then I switched to fbpanel |
| 18:51.25 | vjoe | how can I define the actions for right-click and wheel-click with pypanel? I would like to have the small menu which is opened with the right click in other pagers |
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| 18:51.47 | vjoe | suppaman, is fbpanel better? |
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| 18:52.01 | suppaman | vjoe: I can't truly remember :-) |
| 18:52.06 | vjoe | eheh |
| 18:52.14 | vjoe | so you are using fluxbox now, right? |
| 18:52.17 | suppaman | vjoe: anyway I use it on a headless box |
| 18:52.19 | suppaman | I am |
| 18:52.32 | suppaman | and recently I dropped fbpanel too, in favor of .. nothing |
| 18:52.50 | suppaman | I just use vnc from time to time so I don't really need many features |
| 18:53.20 | halflife08 | i am using a dual headed ATI video card and configured it using aticonfig. it seems i can move the mouse from one monitor to the other but can't seem to switch to virtual desktops from one monitor to the other, can some one recommend a way to get that working ? |
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| 18:53.30 | Haris | Hello people |
| 18:53.33 | Haris | !info iptables |
| 18:53.35 | dpkg | iptables: (administration tools for packet filtering and NAT), section net, is important. Version: 1.4.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 394 kB, Installed size: 1272 kB |
| 18:53.49 | abrotman | Haris: msg the bot |
| 18:53.51 | Haris | how do I upgrade iptables to this versoin? |
| 18:54.03 | stew | Haris: what versin of debian are you running? |
| 18:54.08 | Haris | I think 1.3.6.0debian1-5 that ships with etch has a problem |
| 18:54.13 | Haris | etch r2 |
| 18:54.13 | abrotman | which is? |
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| 18:54.19 | vjoe | suppaman, headless box? |
| 18:54.26 | Haris | abrotman: The problem I'm having with transparent proxying |
| 18:54.37 | suppaman | vjoe: a computer without a monitor |
| 18:54.38 | abrotman | vague |
| 18:54.50 | suppaman | thanks God |
| 18:54.52 | Haris | iptables redirects port 80 to port 3128 (squid) |
| 18:54.57 | suppaman | rt2400 built on 2.6.18-6 |
| 18:55.10 | suppaman | |lenny |
| 18:55.12 | suppaman | !lenny |
| 18:55.12 | dpkg | it has been said that lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). |
| 18:55.13 | Haris | that redirecting part is not working properly |
| 18:55.17 | suppaman | sept 2008 |
| 18:55.22 | suppaman | I can wait till then |
| 18:55.27 | Haris | how is that? |
| 18:55.32 | suppaman | !wwlr |
| 18:55.32 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html |
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| 18:58.09 | stew | Haris: iptables won't change that behavior. iptables is not the actual netfilter, it is just the thing that manipulates the kernel from userspace. |
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| 18:58.26 | stew | Haris: i mean 'upgrading iptables won't...' |
| 18:58.45 | Haris | so where is the problem? in the kernel? |
| 18:59.13 | stew | Haris: either in the kernel or in the chair |
| 18:59.19 | Haris | I'v clamped the mtu to pmtu. I'm fwmark'ed to traffic and sent it to its needed routing table |
| 18:59.23 | Haris | still I'm having the issue |
| 18:59.29 | Haris | chair? |
| 19:00.44 | stew | Haris: you would be the thing in the chair |
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| 19:01.31 | Haris | I hear alot of sarcasm, but no one here points out something constructive |
| 19:01.45 | stew | Haris: ask #iptables |
| 19:01.49 | Haris | aready have |
| 19:01.56 | Haris | already+ |
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| 19:05.03 | Haris | Is it recommended to use -> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free on etch r2? |
| 19:05.11 | stew | Haris: definately not |
| 19:05.14 | stew | Haris: /msg dpkg backports |
| 19:05.58 | Haris | well |
| 19:06.04 | Haris | there's no new kernel version for etch |
| 19:06.38 | simonrvn | *cough* backports *cough* |
| 19:06.45 | Haris | *ahem* |
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| 19:07.30 | stew | Haris: yes there are |
| 19:08.05 | abrotman | simonrvn: and etch+1/2 |
| 19:08.07 | Seb | how does one reset his slapd admin password ? |
| 19:08.17 | simonrvn | oh yes |
| 19:09.04 | simonrvn | you forgot it? |
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| 19:10.01 | jelly-home | Seb: you can hardcode one in slapd.conf, if nothing else |
| 19:10.17 | Haris | linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 19:10.50 | jelly-home | abrotman: etch.5 is available somewhere? |
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| 19:11.04 | abrotman | !etchandahalf |
| 19:11.07 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 19:11.09 | Haris | what's a transition package? |
| 19:11.11 | abrotman | !etchnhalf |
| 19:11.11 | dpkg | methinks etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 19:11.23 | abrotman | Haris: used for dist-upgrades |
| 19:11.23 | jelly-home | "will" |
| 19:11.34 | Haris | ah, ok |
| 19:12.08 | simonrvn | ravenbird: etchandahalf is <reply>Etch and a half is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 19:12.09 | ravenbird | simonrvn: okay |
| 19:12.17 | abrotman | copycat! |
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| 19:15.40 | suppaman | it's working |
| 19:15.54 | twobitsp1ite | suppaman: get your driver running? |
| 19:15.58 | Haris | Outstanding bugs -- Important bugs; More information needed (1 bug) |
| 19:15.59 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.04 | suppaman | twobitsp1ite: yep |
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| 19:16.13 | suppaman | backfalled on 2.6.18 |
| 19:16.17 | twobitsp1ite | ahh |
| 19:16.29 | suppaman | and I won't upgrade till stable |
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| 19:16.48 | simonrvn | abrotman: no, dude, it's "ravenbird" |
| 19:16.49 | suppaman | I experienced a few hangups but I don't think that's related to linux as the computer hanged even while loading freedos |
| 19:17.09 | suppaman | it's a pita when you can't even run a diagnostic tool |
| 19:17.24 | suppaman | I'd like to get an imac |
| 19:17.31 | Dunedan | is there a special irc-channel for the debian-installer? |
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| 19:17.40 | suppaman | this one |
| 19:17.46 | abrotman | okay! |
| 19:17.54 | Dunedan | oh, nice. :-) |
| 19:18.05 | stew | Dunedan: there is a channel for developers, but not for end-user support, for support, ask here |
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| 19:20.32 | azurite | does the debian installer use the dd if=/dev/urandom method to securely initialize a new luks encrypted volume? |
| 19:20.42 | Dunedan | I've the following problem: I created two partitions. One for swap and one for a lvm. Unfortunately I mixed up the partitions and tried to build the lvm on the swap-partition. Now I can't delete the lvm anymore, because the installer says, that the partition belongs to an lvm-volume. But I've deleted all lvm-volumes. Some hints how to work around that? (I'm using the latest debian-testing-netinstall-cd) |
| 19:20.44 | azurite | and is this still considered the best method ? |
| 19:21.46 | azurite | Dunedan: fdisk it |
| 19:22.12 | abrotman | azurite: that sounds like it could be incredibly slow .. but i'd guess the documentation should tell you? |
| 19:23.39 | Dunedan | azurite: The problem remains ... |
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| 19:24.26 | Dunedan | hm, looks like the easiest way is to restart the installation |
| 19:24.45 | azurite | fdisk just allows you to modify the parition table and create/destroy existing partions regardless of fs or lvm |
| 19:25.03 | azurite | Dunedan: what have you done? |
| 19:25.21 | azurite | abrotman: yes i estimate it would take 40 hours to dd if=dev/urandom this 750gb drive i have |
| 19:25.31 | abrotman | azurite: so worth it! |
| 19:25.54 | azurite | is there any quicker method considering this is actually a new unused drive? |
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| 19:26.23 | abrotman | /dev/zero ? |
| 19:26.31 | Mantaar | hey guys! Do you know of any nice little command line utilitiy to *create* torrent files (preferrably one that has a man page or online docs)? Thanks. |
| 19:26.46 | Mantaar | (forgot to add: in debian, as a package) |
| 19:27.20 | Haris | can I tell aptitude to download packages using a specific interface? |
| 19:27.35 | Haris | ..and not the other |
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| 19:29.12 | simonrvn | /dev/zero would be fine for that sort of thing |
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| 19:29.46 | zshzn | 750gb drive? what are a you, a porn archivist? |
| 19:30.24 | lunk | 750's are too small for porn |
| 19:30.30 | azurite | think so? |
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| 19:30.35 | lunk | we have like 360TB's ;) |
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| 19:31.25 | azurite | who said anything about porn you twisted young man |
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| 19:33.18 | zshzn | azurite: hey don't look at me, you're the one with the 750GB drive |
| 19:33.30 | stew | Mantaar: btmakemetafile from bittorrent or bittornado |
| 19:33.54 | zshzn | lunk: so how big is your drive? |
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| 19:34.16 | lunk | zshzn: everything from 250's to 1TB's |
| 19:34.39 | suppaman | jeez Google's SketchUp is _extremely_ funny |
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| 19:37.12 | Mantaar | stew: thanks! |
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| 19:40.24 | zshzn_ | :/ |
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| 19:41.05 | azurite | you having lag problems also? |
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| 19:41.12 | zshzn | yes |
| 19:41.19 | azurite | glad its not just me then |
| 19:41.33 | chemist | how can I increase the size of tmp? |
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| 19:41.50 | azurite | chemist: is it on it's own partition? |
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| 19:42.54 | chemist | I believe so |
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| 19:42.55 | chemist | I just answered my own question |
| 19:42.55 | joltcan | :) |
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| 19:42.55 | joltcan | It is also possible to create an file with dd and use it as a swap file |
| 19:42.55 | azurite | chemist: you could try parted to resize without destroying if necessary |
| 19:43.47 | Mantaar | stew: do you know if btmakemetafile (from the bittorrent package) supports adding more than one tracker? |
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| 19:44.43 | macafe | What is the best way to compact one dump svn with 500mb? |
| 19:45.05 | chemist | azurite: cli or gui? |
| 19:45.14 | azurite | chemist: cli |
| 19:45.20 | azurite | chemist: man parted |
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| 19:46.27 | joltcan | macafe: man bzip2? |
| 19:46.49 | stew | Mantaar: i don't, i've never used it |
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| 19:47.55 | Mantaar | OK, I'll figure it out. Thanks. BTW. what do you recommend then for creating torrent-meta files on Debian? |
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| 19:48.45 | azurite | Mantaar: ive always used transmission (gui) or the standard python bittorrent official releases for console |
| 19:49.28 | chemist | azurite: after all that its not on its own partition |
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| 19:49.50 | azurite | azurite: sorry .. your option then is to invest in a larger hd :) |
| 19:50.30 | chemist | I have plenty of hd space, but tmp is only 342mb |
| 19:50.40 | chemist | and I need to make it bigger |
| 19:50.46 | Mantaar | azurite: thanks, I'll check them out as well. |
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| 19:51.17 | azurite | chemist: if you have plenty of hd space yet /tmp is restricted wouldnt the conclusion be that it is on a separate hd or partition? |
| 19:51.33 | phorce1 | This should be interesting ... The following packages will be REMOVED: libgnomekbd1{a} libgnomekbdui1{a} |
| 19:51.43 | chemist | yes, you're right |
| 19:52.05 | twobitsp2ite | what does the {a} mean anyways? |
| 19:52.19 | phorce1 | has no clue |
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| 19:54.38 | suppaman | lol I asked that few minutes ago |
| 19:54.44 | my007ms | all software that was showing in system try not longer seen there |
| 19:54.56 | my007ms | like xchat for example |
| 19:55.02 | my007ms | what maybe the problem |
| 19:55.05 | stew | twobitsp2ite: automatically installed |
| 19:55.11 | suppaman | twobitsp <simonrvn> suppaman: deps on linux-source-2.6.24 (in sid) |
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| 19:55.56 | suppaman | lol |
| 19:56.01 | paxcoder | what's it called again? |
| 19:56.11 | paxcoder | net something? |
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| 19:56.31 | path_ | netsplit I'd say paxcoder |
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| 19:56.45 | paxcoder | yeah. |
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| 19:57.44 | riot | heya |
| 19:57.48 | azurite | evening |
| 19:58.14 | riot | can anyone suggest a good/reasonable linux-compatible webcam? |
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| 19:58.47 | streuner_ | riot: use a network-cam ;-) |
| 19:59.22 | paxcoder | riot: i don't know. i use "creative live! vista" (yeah, i realized how stupid it was to buy something called like that after i bought it) |
| 19:59.25 | paxcoder | but it works |
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| 19:59.29 | riot | streuner_: erm. Sure. For video-telephony. |
| 19:59.32 | paxcoder | with ov51x-jpeg driver |
| 19:59.45 | riot | paxcoder: works well? how much did you invest? |
| 19:59.54 | paxcoder | only, the framerate is not as it says it should be |
| 19:59.55 | jim | well that's good tho, right? |
| 20:00.11 | paxcoder | riot: it was about the cheapest i could fine |
| 20:00.13 | paxcoder | *find |
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| 20:01.33 | phorce1 | wants one of these http://www.pc-pitstop.com/sas_controllers/arc1680ix24.asp |
| 20:01.50 | paxcoder | jim: yeah, it's ok. i just don't understand why the framerate isn't higher. i thought it was a processor, but it wasn't. it's something else |
| 20:01.57 | jim | so how did you do that.... you looked at cards and chipsets, picked one that was supported by all the OSes you wanted to run, then bought that card? |
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| 20:02.07 | riot | so, any other suggestions? |
| 20:02.10 | riot | paxcoder: thanks :) |
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| 20:02.21 | paxcoder | riot: heh :-) |
| 20:02.30 | riot | (i can't get the creative-stuff from my dealer :/) |
| 20:02.36 | jim | frame rate? sound card? or what? |
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| 20:03.07 | paxcoder | jim: @ who? |
| 20:03.42 | jim | paxcoder: you bought new hardware? |
| 20:03.58 | paxcoder | yeah. and the framerate's the same |
| 20:04.15 | paxcoder | (only about 10 fps) |
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| 20:04.20 | jim | so this is a video card? |
| 20:04.22 | riot | http://www.club.cc.cmu.edu/~mdille3/doc/linux_cameras/penguin_camera_case_border.jpg << that seems to describe the linux./.webcam situation quite well... |
| 20:04.50 | hetOrakel | hi, anyone happen to know in which file the gnome-power-management settings are stored? |
| 20:05.09 | zinx | riot: actually, a number of them work |
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| 20:05.52 | tdn | What do you recommend instead of NFS for accessing files on a shared file server on an unsecured wireless home network with laptops going on and off this and other networks all the time? |
| 20:06.02 | zinx | riot: one problem you may run in to, however, is that some webcam manufacturers make several webcams with completely different hardware under a single name, with no way to discern what hardware it has when you're buying it |
| 20:06.36 | tdn | NFS is not acceptable because of it not being encrypted. |
| 20:06.48 | riot | zinx: yeah, i read about that :( |
| 20:07.00 | azurite | tdn: sft/scp |
| 20:07.05 | azurite | sftp |
| 20:07.18 | azurite | tdn: or ftp+tls |
| 20:07.28 | paxcoder | jim: i'd say it's the driver, but i'm only guessing |
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| 20:07.51 | jim | so this is a cam? |
| 20:08.03 | paxcoder | jim: because it says higher frame rate, and maybe it could achieve that with orig proprietary drivers. |
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| 20:09.05 | zinx | paxcoder: it may be the lighting |
| 20:09.11 | tdn | azurite, yeah, I've considered sftp/scp/fish, but I would like something that is transparent for applications. Like NFS can be. If I use fish from Dolphin or other file managers, I cannot just double click on a remote file and open it in an application. I need to copy it to local before I open it. |
| 20:09.11 | twobitsp2ite | I have "/var/nfs-export *(rw)" listed in my /etc/exports file, but other hosts get permission denied when trying to mount it |
| 20:09.14 | paxcoder | zinx: huh? |
| 20:09.22 | tdn | azurite, same problem with ftp+tls. |
| 20:09.35 | paxcoder | how do you mean zinx? |
| 20:09.40 | twobitsp2ite | tdn: you can tunnel nfs over ssh |
| 20:09.42 | zinx | paxcoder: a lot of digital video cameras have a lower framerate in low lighting |
| 20:09.45 | joltcan | use a VPN, personally I recommend OpenVPN |
| 20:10.00 | paxcoder | zinx: that makes no sense to me. why's that? |
| 20:10.23 | paxcoder | zinx: but i don't think it's that. i tried it in broad daylight staring at the window. |
| 20:10.27 | SlimeyPete | makes perfect sense. Longer exposure time. |
| 20:10.30 | zinx | paxcoder: it makes perfect sense.. the camera needs a longer exposure in low light |
| 20:10.34 | SlimeyPete | same principle as a film camera |
| 20:10.37 | jim | for the same reason cameras are slower in low light |
| 20:10.43 | zinx | paxcoder: yeah, it should get full framerate in daylight |
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| 20:11.11 | vjoe | I'm having problems installing Java on Iceweasel. I have already installed the sun-java6-jre package from the repos but it still doesn't work |
| 20:11.14 | paxcoder | zinx: what if i point it to a white LCD, would that do a trick, should i be able to achieve more (just for a test)? |
| 20:11.25 | zinx | paxcoder: LCD may not be bright enough |
| 20:11.25 | tdn | twobitsp2ite, hmm... maybe that could be the answer. Although I'm not sure how to make this easy to use for the not so savvy users. I would like them to be able to have an icon on their desktop that mounts / umounts the remote folder. I'm not sure how to script this with ssh tunnels / NFS. |
| 20:11.33 | paxcoder | vjoe: i recommend gnu java runtime |
| 20:12.00 | paxcoder | vjoe: wait... |
| 20:12.09 | suppaman | bye thanks |
| 20:12.11 | zinx | paxcoder: and CFL lighting is not very good light for cameras |
| 20:12.12 | vjoe | can't find the package :| |
| 20:12.27 | paxcoder | vjoe: apt-get install java-gcj-compat-plugin |
| 20:12.35 | twobitsp2ite | tdn: ssh pre-shared keys makes for passwordless login... then you write a script to set up the tunel and mount the partition |
| 20:12.36 | paxcoder | vjoe: (that's why i said wait .-) ) |
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| 20:12.45 | paxcoder | vjoe: i write that stuff down :-) |
| 20:12.53 | twobitsp2ite | tdn: although, I think you still have to have root to mount nfs, no? |
| 20:12.57 | vjoe | ok ok, :P |
| 20:13.12 | tdn | twobitsp2ite, I think I do. |
| 20:13.17 | paxcoder | vjoe: but maybe you should remove sun java runtime first |
| 20:13.27 | tdn | twobitsp2ite, maybe the "user" option in fstab will enable users to mount it. |
| 20:13.30 | vjoe | sure |
| 20:13.35 | tdn | twobitsp2ite, not sure about network shares though. |
| 20:13.41 | twobitsp2ite | tdn: yeah, that should work |
| 20:13.44 | vjoe | but will it work with Iceweasel? I want to play freechess :P |
| 20:13.44 | twobitsp2ite | give it a shot |
| 20:13.47 | paxcoder | vjoe: although, i don't know how |
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| 20:14.01 | paxcoder | vjoe: yes, it works for me. but how is the question. |
| 20:14.16 | paxcoder | vjoe: one thing is for sure. it still is better than gnash for flash |
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| 20:14.24 | tdn | twobitsp2ite, I'm not sure how to set up tunnels for NFS though. It uses a veriety of ports, and sometimes UDP, right? |
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| 20:14.36 | paxcoder | reverse engineering is hard. |
| 20:14.43 | twobitsp2ite | tdn: that you'll have to figure out on your own :P |
| 20:14.52 | sidhartha | excuse but do you know if there is a special default installation for spamassassin |
| 20:14.54 | sidhartha | ? |
| 20:15.25 | jim | what do you mean special |
| 20:15.30 | sidhartha | because i've modified local.cf and it doesn't look for the changes |
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| 20:15.43 | twobitsp2ite | ponders what a "special default" would be like |
| 20:15.44 | tdn | twobitsp2ite, well... I think I will still look for another easier solution. |
| 20:16.06 | jim | did you restart spamassassin |
| 20:16.08 | abrotman | twobitsp2ite: like an "average bonus" ? |
| 20:16.10 | sidhartha | sa marks nearly every mail as spam |
| 20:16.29 | sidhartha | with ****SPAM**** in the title |
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| 20:16.47 | abrotman | that's pretty strict |
| 20:16.50 | sidhartha | so i edit /etc/spamassassin/local.cf |
| 20:17.09 | jim | did you restart spamassassin |
| 20:17.15 | sidhartha | and delete the line with that appending |
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| 20:17.18 | twobitsp2ite | sidhartha: shouldn't there be two d's in your nick? |
| 20:17.20 | sidhartha | yes i even reboot |
| 20:17.25 | sidhartha | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.28 | twobitsp2ite | or is it supposed to be a pun? |
| 20:18.10 | jim | your laptop is what runs spamassassin |
| 20:18.14 | jim | ? |
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| 20:18.35 | sidhartha | twobitsp2ite: it depends , it is a translation from sanskrit, so there is not only one good way to write it |
| 20:18.44 | paxcoder | thinks: "****SPAM**** Welcome to Evolution mail" |
| 20:19.06 | twobitsp2ite | sidhartha: I suppose... I just thought the generally accepted way of spelling it was siddhartha |
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| 20:19.41 | paxcoder | ah, that nutty gautama |
| 20:19.56 | sidhartha | jim yes kmail use spamassassin as anti spam |
| 20:20.30 | twobitsp2ite | anyways... why can't I mount my nfs exports? it's pretty simple, what am I missing? |
| 20:20.30 | jim | ok, your next step is to find out what files spamassassin loads and in what order |
| 20:20.42 | Akuw | how can i to know the name of a supposed channel, for example, i don't know the name of one channel i want to join |
| 20:20.48 | sidhartha | how to verify that |
| 20:20.53 | abrotman | Akuw: /list |
| 20:21.04 | Akuw | but list show all channels |
| 20:21.18 | abrotman | /list *term* |
| 20:21.24 | abrotman | if your client can do that |
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| 20:22.27 | twobitsp1ite | Akuw: xchat has a menu item to list channels |
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| 20:22.41 | paxcoder | procmail is too hard. i can't force myself to learn it... :-( |
| 20:23.02 | Akuw | where is that option ? |
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| 20:23.07 | twobitsp1ite | paxcoder: mail systems are exeedingly and unnecesarily complicated |
| 20:23.10 | abrotman | Windows->Channel List |
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| 20:23.30 | Akuw | ok, i found |
| 20:23.33 | Akuw | thanks |
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| 20:23.38 | vaenilicious | how to install flashplayer in debian |
| 20:23.45 | abrotman | !tell vaenilicious about flash |
| 20:24.06 | paxcoder | twobitsp1ite: so what do you suggest? |
| 20:24.21 | twobitsp1ite | paxcoder: we need to redesign the internet |
| 20:24.23 | twobitsp1ite | :) |
| 20:24.33 | twobitsp1ite | it's all messed up, we need to wipe the slate and start over |
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| 20:25.44 | jim | I have two backups of the internet... if you give me a floppy, you can have one too |
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| 20:26.24 | paxcoder | jim: can you put supermario on that floppy too plz? |
| 20:26.55 | tudon | better get giana sisters on a floppy :P |
| 20:27.58 | paxcoder | wow, our jokes suck don't they? |
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| 20:28.25 | azurite | gouges his eyes out with a spork |
| 20:28.45 | sidhartha | do i have to configure spamd on my laptop |
| 20:28.45 | mogra | what was the command, I think was using aptitude, to get build-deps for a pkg? |
| 20:28.46 | paxcoder | playing: Pixies - Gouge away |
| 20:28.50 | sidhartha | ? |
| 20:28.59 | mogra | sidhartha: buddha? |
| 20:29.14 | paxcoder | budha :-) |
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| 20:30.02 | sidhartha | it seems by default debian install spamassassin but don't start spamd |
| 20:30.18 | Arc4nuS | hi all |
| 20:30.21 | nkuttler | sidhartha: /usr/share/doc/spamassassin/ |
| 20:30.26 | sidhartha | so it means kmail run only the perl script version of sa |
| 20:30.33 | sidhartha | ok |
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| 20:30.40 | sidhartha | sorry to annoy you |
| 20:30.48 | sidhartha | have a nice evening |
| 20:31.07 | abrotman | paxcoder: turn that off |
| 20:31.17 | sidhartha | (or day ) |
| 20:31.19 | jim | I think you could get spamd |
| 20:31.38 | nkuttler | there's a gazillion ways of configuring spamassassin... |
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| 20:31.48 | paxcoder | abortman: it wasn't even playing, don't worry. |
| 20:32.07 | sidhartha | 'till yesterday spamassassin was filtering well |
| 20:32.26 | sidhartha | but today almost all mails were marked as spam |
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| 20:32.36 | sidhartha | and i update nothing |
| 20:32.44 | paxcoder | sidharta: #spamassassin |
| 20:32.48 | paxcoder | sry |
| 20:32.56 | nkuttler | you could read why they get flagged as spam and fix that |
| 20:32.59 | paxcoder | i don't know |
| 20:33.21 | sidhartha | i will look at the usr/share doc |
| 20:33.39 | nkuttler | and in the flagged mail |
| 20:33.45 | vaenilicious | a good mediaplayer ? |
| 20:34.28 | paxcoder | vaenilicious: i always liked mplayer |
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| 20:34.33 | up365 | vaenilicious, VLC |
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| 20:34.37 | paxcoder | vaenilicious: but vlc is good too |
| 20:34.58 | jim | "good"? |
| 20:35.02 | Tailsfan | Hi There, What package(s) do I install for teh Cube Effect? |
| 20:35.05 | vaenilicious | i mean musicplayert |
| 20:35.07 | vaenilicious | i mean musicplayer |
| 20:35.26 | paxcoder | jim: it's fine, just that opening a file with subtitles is kinda too tricky |
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| 20:35.50 | paxcoder | jim: i don't know, i'm just fond of mplayer. |
| 20:36.25 | jim | I'm just saying I have no idea what he means by "good |
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| 20:36.38 | nkuttler | vaenilicious: cplay is good |
| 20:36.44 | vaenilicious | okey, how to get it |
| 20:37.34 | up365 | Tailsfan, compiz-fusion or even beryl |
| 20:38.02 | tudon | let's say smplayer |
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| 20:38.28 | sidhartha | nkuttler: on flood the source of the mail flagged |
| 20:38.33 | Tailsfan | Okay |
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| 20:38.44 | Tailsfan | also needs to get my Broadcom Card to work |
| 20:39.20 | vaenilicious | okey, how to get cplay ? |
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| 20:39.53 | tudon | vaenilicious: for music try JUK or amarok . for movies try smplayer or vlc |
| 20:40.06 | Ward1983 | is tar -xvjf filename.tar.gz correct? |
| 20:40.11 | vaenilicious | amarok, my friend has it. How to get it ? =) |
| 20:40.15 | paxcoder | Ward: yes |
| 20:40.21 | paxcoder | tudon: what's JUK? |
| 20:40.30 | Ward1983 | paxcoder, tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 20:40.34 | tudon | juk is a bit like amarok but waaaaaaaaaay lighter |
| 20:40.36 | Ward1983 | paxcoder, and ls tells me its there |
| 20:40.39 | jim | correct for what? |
| 20:40.45 | sidhartha | paxcoder: kde music player |
| 20:40.49 | paxcoder | Ward: actually, what's J?. try removing it if you don't know, then it shoul work |
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| 20:41.05 | up365 | vaenilicious, check Synaptic Package Manager- search |
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| 20:41.17 | Akuw | abrotman: i need your help |
| 20:41.19 | chops | Ward1983: (1) is the bzip2 package installed? (2) -z is the right flag for a .tar.gz package, not -j |
| 20:41.26 | azurite | in theory .. if I have two drives on the same system using the same luks passphrase does this make it any simpler for an attacker to discover the passphrase? |
| 20:41.29 | abrotman | Akuw: i need your question |
| 20:41.47 | Akuw | i have a rack Sun Netra, but it don't have connector to monitor |
| 20:41.48 | paxcoder | abrotman, not abortman. i always forget. maan. sry |
| 20:41.50 | Ward1983 | chops, paxcoder thankyou |
| 20:41.52 | jim | and the details of your situation |
| 20:41.59 | paxcoder | ward, np |
| 20:42.00 | Akuw | i need to install linux |
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| 20:42.12 | paxcoder | akuw: i think you mean gnu/linux :-) |
| 20:42.22 | Akuw | gnu/linux exactly |
| 20:42.31 | chops | Ward1983: np |
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| 20:42.41 | tudon | juk automaticly plays library search results as if a playlist |
| 20:42.42 | Baloo | paxcoder-- Now isn't the time to be a symantics douche. |
| 20:42.57 | abrotman | Akuw: use the serial interface ? |
| 20:43.01 | paxcoder | baloo: yeah... |
| 20:43.06 | Ward1983 | chops, bzip2 was not installed :) |
| 20:43.10 | Akuw | yeah |
| 20:43.28 | jim | while it is possible to have linux kernel with all non-gnu userland tools, debian isn't that |
| 20:43.52 | paxcoder | jim: is anything in linux gnu? |
| 20:43.58 | paxcoder | *i mean the kernel |
| 20:44.03 | azurite | Akuw: get a serial console going on the sun box and youll be ready |
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| 20:44.17 | azurite | Akuw: you need a null modem cable |
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| 20:45.15 | azurite | Akuw: minicom on whatever box will be connecting to the sun box |
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| 20:46.38 | jim | paxcoder: you mean the kernel? |
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| 20:47.31 | paxcoder | xchat keeps crashing >:-( |
| 20:47.37 | paxcoder | *gnome one |
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| 20:48.38 | vaenilicious | how to install mozilla ? |
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| 20:49.13 | azurite | vaenilicious: firefox? |
| 20:49.47 | vaenilicious | azurite: yes |
| 20:50.02 | azurite | vaenilicious: apt-get install iceweasel |
| 20:50.13 | abrotman | aptitude install iceweasel |
| 20:50.51 | Ward1983 | my wifi falls out now and then |
| 20:50.52 | paxcoder | vaenilicious: how come you don't know that (no offense)? isn't it already installed? |
| 20:50.58 | vjoe | I'm having problems installing Java on Iceweasel. I have already installed the sun-java6-jre package from the repos but it still doesn't work |
| 20:51.23 | paxcoder | vjoe: did you try what i told you? |
| 20:51.27 | vaenilicious | paxcoder: I'm new wirh Debian |
| 20:51.38 | twobitsp1ite | paxcoder: be a man and use irssi |
| 20:51.40 | twobitsp1ite | :P |
| 20:51.49 | vjoe | paxcoder, you only told me to wait :P |
| 20:51.50 | paxcoder | vaenilicious: but iceweasel comes pre-selected |
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| 20:52.07 | paxcoder | vjoe: are you joking? |
| 20:52.27 | eevar | i'm running base lenny plus xorg & openbox. what package(s) should i add for sound? alsa? |
| 20:52.30 | twobitsp1ite | paxcoder: iceweasel wasn't preinstalled for me |
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| 20:52.43 | vjoe | you told me to try gnu runtime environment, but didn't tell me how |
| 20:52.48 | vjoe | it isn't in the repositories |
| 20:52.53 | paxcoder | twobitsp1lite: how come? |
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| 20:52.56 | KU0N | hello |
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| 20:53.02 | azurite | yes |
| 20:53.05 | azurite | hello |
| 20:53.09 | KU0N | Is it possible to shrink an NTFS partition from the debian installer? |
| 20:53.10 | paxcoder | vjoe: yes i did |
| 20:53.11 | twobitsp1ite | paxcoder: I don't think its pre-selected... it installs the gnome browser |
| 20:53.16 | paxcoder | vjoe: apt-get install java-gcj-compat-plugin |
| 20:53.23 | paxcoder | vjoe: we talked about it later on. |
| 20:53.59 | paxcoder | twobitsp1ite: doesn't it install them both? |
| 20:54.13 | twobitsp1ite | paxcoder: I don't think so |
| 20:54.16 | paxcoder | twobitsp1ite: hmmm. ok then. |
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| 20:54.38 | paxcoder | vjoe: tell me if it (doesn't) work(s) |
| 20:55.27 | twobitsp1ite | ok, once again: I have "/var/nfs *(rw)" in my /etc/exports file, but remote hosts can't connect and get "Permission denied" ... |
| 20:55.45 | twobitsp1ite | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 20:56.45 | vjoe | paxcoder, it loads the applet but not very well |
| 20:56.46 | paxcoder | twobitsp1ite: i'm not very familiar with networks i'm afraid |
| 20:57.06 | paxcoder | vjoe: yeah... i don't know about sun's java. i didn't use it |
| 20:57.09 | aCiD2 | Hi, I'm having some troubles with installing something through apt-get due to a broken apache2 installation in the past - and I'm not sure how to solve it. Here's the output of running apt-get: http://rafb.net/p/7fCM4r99.html |
| 20:57.21 | paxcoder | vjoe: btw. i told you this might happen, you really don't remember? |
| 20:57.29 | vjoe | yes |
| 20:57.32 | vjoe | thank you anyway |
| 20:57.38 | paxcoder | vjoe: wait |
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| 20:58.08 | vjoe | I think it may be better if I use the offical Java plugin |
| 20:58.14 | vjoe | I had it working with Ubuntu |
| 20:58.30 | vjoe | but I have already created the sym links and it doesn't work :( |
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| 20:58.48 | halflife08 | aCiD2: well what happens when you do /etc/init.d/apache2 start ? |
| 20:59.01 | aCiD2 | apache2 isn't installed, so that doesn't exist |
| 20:59.12 | paxcoder | vjoe: and you installed it from binaries? |
| 20:59.15 | aCiD2 | It was installed, but clearly I did a poor job at removing it :P |
| 20:59.22 | vjoe | paxcoder, from the repos |
| 20:59.25 | vjoe | sun-java6-jre |
| 20:59.58 | paxcoder | vjoe: oh, i was just about to suggest that. really, i don't know. i had trouble with it too. and i don't use it much, so i got off with the gnu version |
| 21:00.09 | halflife08 | aCiD2: clearly the script is trying to restart apache2 to finish installation. you would need apache2 to be installed |
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| 21:00.23 | paxcoder | vjoe: sry |
| 21:00.30 | aCiD2 | Right, but how can I just make apt forget about doing that? |
| 21:00.37 | vjoe | np |
| 21:00.46 | aCiD2 | php-sqlite has nothing to do with dante-server (this happens if I apt-get anything) |
| 21:01.00 | vjoe | this proprietary technologies sucks |
| 21:01.03 | paxcoder | !tell paxcoder about java |
| 21:01.04 | aCiD2 | I've tried force removal with dpkg, but that's not helped |
| 21:01.36 | nkuttler | aCiD2: try to add an exit 0 to the init script |
| 21:01.40 | phorce1 | aCiD2: what's the output of dpkg -l | grep -i apache |
| 21:02.09 | paxcoder | vjoe: actually, java isn't proprietary anymore. just isn't gpl. do you have sun-java6-plugin? |
| 21:02.15 | paxcoder | *or java5 |
| 21:02.16 | aCiD2 | phorce1, http://rafb.net/p/4z2m4H62.html |
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| 21:02.40 | vjoe | i had the 6 installed |
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| 21:02.49 | vjoe | do you think I should try with the 5? |
| 21:02.54 | twobitsp1ite | paxcoder: what license is it? |
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| 21:03.55 | paxcoder | actually, part of it seems to be gpl, but it mentioners "Java Community Process" too |
| 21:04.12 | phorce1 | aCiD2: try dpkg --purge apache2.2-common (actually, do it for all of the iU and rc packages) |
| 21:04.19 | aCiD2 | ok |
| 21:04.46 | vjoe | so why is it so hard to have it working in Linux? |
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| 21:05.05 | Ward1983 | is nl.arm.mirror.debian.net (130.89.175.33) down? |
| 21:05.22 | Ward1983 | just when i needed it lol... |
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| 21:05.45 | paxcoder | twobitsp1ite: i don't get it |
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| 21:06.29 | twobitsp1ite | paxcoder: *shrug* |
| 21:07.30 | aCiD2 | phorce1, thanks dude - got it working now :) |
| 21:07.40 | phorce1 | aCiD2: NP |
| 21:07.54 | paxcoder | twobitsp1ite: GNU says something: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.html |
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| 21:08.20 | paxcoder | twobitsp1ite: wait, that's old... |
| 21:08.58 | phorce1 | as a general suggestion, ALWAYS use --purge when you decide to uninstall something. If you have customized configs that you might want to get back later then back them up beforehand. |
| 21:10.05 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 21:10.13 | twobitsp1ite | uh! |
| 21:10.26 | chops | phorce1: What sense does that make? |
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| 21:11.06 | chops | phorce1: "As a general rule you should leave your pants off. If you happen to be going somewhere where pants are required, you can bring your pants in your backpack and put them on in the bathroom when you get there." |
| 21:11.41 | chops | And now I leave for the day |
| 21:11.43 | phorce1 | chops: over the years I've had aptitude/apt-get leave all kinds of strange crap behind when not using --purge. Sometimes resulting in breakage as sen by aCiD2 when I decide I want to reinstall something I removed weeks before. |
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| 21:12.26 | halflife08 | when one runs ldd on a foobar.so file, should would the listing after =>, always a path to the library ? if it is a reference to a address does that mean that lib is missing ? |
| 21:12.39 | ceekay | really simple packaging question... if my package changes versioning schemes, i.e. 1.0.2 and then 1.0.080416 , is there a way i can tell the 1.0.080416 package that it is a higher version than 1.0.2 ? i could've sworn i saw this somewhere but now that i need it i can't seem to find the link |
| 21:12.45 | epsilon | is there a "debian-way" to add a route permanently? I have to add 'route add default gw <gateway>' permanently, I used /network/interfaces so far |
| 21:13.23 | ceekay | epsilon: possibly also the if-up.d directory? |
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| 21:13.43 | paxcoder | twobitsp1ite: i think they put some of their own stuff before gpl. like: if (do_this()) gpl(); |
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| 21:15.09 | paxcoder | ok, gtg. good night all |
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| 21:15.43 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 21:15.43 | dpkg | mentors is, like, the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 21:19.18 | filko | "/msg dpkg guidelines". |
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| 21:20.33 | abrotman | filko: without the quotes |
| 21:21.17 | azurite | would the benefit of dd'ing urandom to a new hd prior to creating a luks/dm-crypt volume diminish as the actual amount of data written to the filesystem increased? |
| 21:21.41 | azurite | ie would there be no point if this device were filled to capacity with the encrypted data? |
| 21:23.16 | azurite | the way i'm understanding it, the drive is to be filled with urandom in order to reduce the chances of an attacker being able to determine what portion of the drive is actually encrypted data.. |
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| 21:26.48 | sidhartha | excuse me but in the update-rcd man page i don't understand what is the NN option |
| 21:27.03 | sidhartha | called start link and stop link |
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| 21:27.31 | sidhartha | example : update-rc.d spamd start 75 2 3 4 5 |
| 21:27.38 | sidhartha | NN=75 |
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| 21:28.19 | sidhartha | what does mean 7 and 5 |
| 21:28.24 | adama | sidhartha: it's the order in which services will be started |
| 21:28.53 | jim | 7 is ''''''' and 5 is ''''' |
| 21:28.54 | sidhartha | adama: well but if there is already a service as the 7 th |
| 21:29.00 | sidhartha | what happens |
| 21:29.24 | adama | sidhartha: well it's 75 not 7 and 5 |
| 21:29.34 | adama | and they will start in alphabetical order |
| 21:29.34 | Akuw | azurite: but i don't have console |
| 21:29.59 | adama | sidhartha: ls -l /etc/rc3.d/ |
| 21:30.11 | sidhartha | ok i understand |
| 21:30.18 | adama | sidhartha: you will see the order in which things will start at runlevel 3 |
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| 21:31.03 | dxinur | does anyone know why would "reboot" in a crontab not reboot the machine ? |
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| 21:31.13 | jim | is there a readme in your /etc/init.d? |
| 21:31.27 | adama | jim:yes |
| 21:31.46 | amphi | dxinur: in root's crontab, it should - you might want to specify the full path |
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| 21:31.51 | jim | sidhartha should read that |
| 21:31.56 | StuckMojo | hi. someone a while back suggested a couple backages that make changing debs easy. like extracting the source, modding something, then rebuilding the deb.... |
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| 21:32.03 | StuckMojo | any ideas what those were? |
| 21:32.08 | dxinur | amphi, it is in roots crontab, it has no effect at all |
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| 21:32.34 | dxinur | 0 6,12 * * * reboot |
| 21:32.46 | azurite | Akuw: what do you mean you dont have console? try ctl-alt-F# |
| 21:32.46 | abrotman | dxinur: full path |
| 21:33.25 | Akuw | hummmmm, ok |
| 21:33.32 | dxinur | abrotman, amphi , you might actually be right, it's in /sbin |
| 21:33.32 | Akuw | well i have to find the cable |
| 21:33.35 | dxinur | I'll try that, thanks |
| 21:34.00 | adama | StuckMojo: apt-get build-dep packagename |
| 21:34.29 | azurite | Akuw: you are a man of mystery |
| 21:34.41 | abrotman | would you like to solve that mystery? |
| 21:34.43 | adama | StuckMojo: then vi packagename/foo/bar |
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| 21:34.47 | StuckMojo | adama: then apt-get -b source packagename, but won't that actually grab the source again? |
| 21:34.50 | azurite | abrotman: dare i? |
| 21:34.52 | azurite | :X |
| 21:34.53 | abrotman | i doubt it |
| 21:35.01 | StuckMojo | adama: i.e. not use the source i unpacked and modified? |
| 21:35.07 | Akuw | i found a procedure |
| 21:35.09 | azurite | abrotman: ill take your word for it |
| 21:35.23 | adama | StuckMojo: apt-get source --build packagename |
| 21:35.24 | Akuw | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://040.digital-bless.com/texts/SUN-Netra-X1-back.jpg&imgrefurl=http://040.digital-bless.com/texts/installing_debian_linux_on_sun_netra_x1.html&h=230&w=502&sz=26&hl=en&start=2&sig2=HLOoF2KtMmaRMwAzYy0EOw&um=1&tbnid=LcyidRk36N9_UM:&tbnh=60&tbnw=130&ei=SHAGSLivGYyaednv_SI&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsun%2Bnetra%2Bconsole%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Diceweasel-a%26rls%3Dorg.debian:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN |
| 21:35.30 | azurite | omfg im blind |
| 21:35.33 | azurite | thanks |
| 21:35.42 | adama | StuckMojo: then dpkg -i packagename.deb |
| 21:35.47 | StuckMojo | adama: that doesn't actually get the source from a repository? |
| 21:36.05 | adama | StuckMojo: not in my experience |
| 21:36.07 | StuckMojo | adama: i want to get a source deb, then modify one of the .h files, then build a deb using that source |
| 21:36.12 | StuckMojo | adama: ok, thanks then |
| 21:36.14 | StuckMojo | :) |
| 21:36.26 | StuckMojo | i did this before, i just don't remember it, heh |
| 21:36.43 | StuckMojo | i'm wanting to backport postgresql 8.3.1 to Dapper |
| 21:36.57 | adama | StuckMojo: ok, let me know how it goes :) |
| 21:36.58 | azeem | StuckMojo: please ask in #ubuntu-moto |
| 21:37.01 | azeem | eh, -motu |
| 21:37.17 | StuckMojo | azeem: i run sid at home |
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| 21:37.30 | cyberagent | i have raid5 setup |
| 21:37.43 | cyberagent | but I was wondering if my system will be kept running fine if I remove one of those disks? |
| 21:37.44 | StuckMojo | this particular...question applies to both distros the same |
| 21:38.05 | StuckMojo | plus dpkg knows a good answer to "backport sid simple" ;) |
| 21:39.19 | jim | what's motu? |
| 21:39.28 | cyberagent | ? |
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| 21:39.45 | dxinur | amphi, abrotman thanks, that worked well |
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| 21:42.20 | nkuttler | cyberagent: that depends on how you configured it... usually you shouldn't touch a raid if you can't answer that |
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| 21:47.58 | Akuw | hey |
| 21:48.07 | cyberagent | nkuttler, could you tell more about the configuration part? |
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| 21:48.37 | Akuw | Jakarta Tomcat 5 is free software? |
| 21:48.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:49.26 | newdebuse1 | I added a new custom debian 2.6.18 kernel to my sarge 2.4 system with make-kpkg and --initrd option. I get a kernel panic. I remember 4 years ago putting some special modules and commands in the initrd image. Does anyone know how I can check my current 2.4 initrd settings to see if my kernel panic is due to missing modules? |
| 21:50.06 | abrotman | newdebuse1: why not use the sarge 2.6 kernel? |
| 21:50.10 | abrotman | and then also upgrade to etch |
| 21:50.20 | Akuw | i need to paste something, but pastebin.ca is not responding |
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| 21:51.12 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:51.12 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 21:51.45 | Akuw | abrotman: i need to install this ---> http://rafb.net/p/CpTTN082.html |
| 21:52.33 | abrotman | apt-cache search tomcat .. and whatever else you need |
| 21:52.48 | abrotman | you didn't need to paste that .. you could have used a comma separated ilst |
| 21:52.49 | abrotman | list |
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| 21:53.01 | Akuw | ok |
| 21:54.33 | Akuw | apt-cache search |
| 21:54.41 | Akuw | ; ) |
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| 21:58.55 | epsilon | which chipset do I take in xorg.conf for a ICH8 onboard-grafic? |
| 22:00.01 | saschahl | epsilon: probably i810/intel |
| 22:00.05 | amphi | epsilon: intel |
| 22:00.22 | amphi | epsilon: i810 will not work so well, AFAIK |
| 22:00.27 | saschahl | i810 == intel |
| 22:00.41 | amphi | epsilon: that's an X3100/i965 I expect |
| 22:00.56 | amphi | saschahl: they are different drivers |
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| 22:01.33 | saschahl | there is only the intel driver. so i810 might be a different version of that driver |
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| 22:01.54 | epsilon | all I get is "82801H (ICH8 Family)" on lspci |
| 22:02.19 | epsilon | yeah some sites mentioned the xserver-...-intel, but seems not to be in etch |
| 22:02.42 | moshii | epsilon: mmm I thik you're going to need a newer version of the intel driver.. |
| 22:02.47 | epsilon | is it in lenny? |
| 22:02.56 | moshii | epsilon: etch and a half will probably do |
| 22:03.51 | moshii | epsilon: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 22:03.53 | epsilon | right, tells exact of that intel package in the intor site... gonna try |
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| 22:08.49 | octox2 | if i run `strings /sbin/portmap | grep hosts` all i get is `hosts_ctl` , does that mean i cant secure my portmapper ? |
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| 22:10.02 | octox2 | shouldnt i also see hosts.allow and hosts.deny in there ? |
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| 22:11.29 | newdebuse1 | abrotman: I have a Sarge system with 2.4 and want to upgrade to 2.6 but I need a few debian kernel-patches compiled in. I also have to have certain modules compiled and available on boot to access my SATA card. I need to know which of these things were in my 2.4 initrd so I can make sure they are in my 2.6 initrd. P |
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| 22:12.06 | sidhartha | good night everybody |
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| 22:13.05 | mrec | hi, does anyone know how to configure lirc properly? I read a couple of howtos although they don't seem to work for me. I installed lirc with debian and edited hardware.conf, although if I start lircd it doesn't even try to read hardware.conf?! |
| 22:13.24 | mrec | I wanted to create lirc.conf with irrecord, but this requires lircd to be configured properly |
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| 22:14.34 | lee__ | How do I make Debian run 3 commands as root before it starts anything else on boot. |
| 22:14.43 | gh0zt | that's a secret |
| 22:14.48 | octox2 | can i filter by MAC address for connections to my NFS server ? |
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| 22:15.24 | mhall | Hello all... can I get some help with this error when grub tries to rerun after my 2.6.24 kernel deb installs? grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/cciss/c0d0p2. Check your device.map. |
| 22:15.31 | lee__ | How do I make Debian run 3 commands as root before it starts anything else on boot. |
| 22:15.57 | azeem | lee__: what do you mean with "anything else"? |
| 22:15.59 | azeem | the kernel? |
| 22:16.08 | lee__ | azeem: Like, I want that to be the first thing it does |
| 22:16.19 | azeem | what is "it"? |
| 22:16.32 | lee__ | azeem: Otherwise, I won't be able to log in.. It needs an internet connection on boot, which is why I need to run those commands *first* |
| 22:16.41 | INternat | im having a blonde moment.. is there a way to make sshd print out its default values |
| 22:16.45 | lee__ | It is Debian. |
| 22:16.52 | azeem | lee__: Debian is an operating system |
| 22:16.57 | lee__ | I know azeem |
| 22:17.02 | azeem | nothing runs before or after Debian |
| 22:17.10 | lee__ | azeem: On boot, Debian starts a bunch of stuff, right? |
| 22:17.14 | azeem | lee__: no |
| 22:17.18 | azeem | lee__: grub starts the kernel |
| 22:17.23 | azeem | and the initrd |
| 22:17.26 | azeem | then the kernel starts init |
| 22:17.30 | azeem | then init starts other stuff |
| 22:17.35 | azeem | there's no "Debian" in there |
| 22:17.53 | Akuw | abrotman: i download j2sdk.bin, where can i install it ? |
| 22:17.58 | azeem | lee__: so your question is: "how do I make sure my network device is configured before I login?" |
| 22:18.47 | octox2 | why do i see "zeroconf://zeroconf.org./_ssh._tcp/Rose" and "zeroconf://0pointer.de./_ssh._tcp/tango" for my possible ssh connections in konqueror |
| 22:20.33 | mhall | Hello all... can I get some help with this error when grub tries to rerun after my 2.6.24 kernel deb installs? grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/cciss/c0d0p2. Check your device.map. My system cannot be rebooted until I get this working again. |
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| 22:21.37 | lee___ | azeem-un1: Sorry, I pinged, did you answer me? |
| 22:21.42 | macafe_ | How I concat in this instruction the simple quote? cat temp.txt | sed s/OSControl/VistoriaControl/g | awk {'print "INSERT INTO cms_permission \n (class, method, role_id) VALUES\n ("$2", "$3", "$4");\n"'} |
| 22:21.47 | azeem | lee___: yes |
| 22:21.52 | azeem | 00:15 < azeem> lee__: so your question is: "how do I make sure my network device is configured before I login?" |
| 22:21.54 | lee___ | azeem: Otherwise, it seems to not connect to the ldap server <- I said that, did you see it? |
| 22:22.00 | azeem | no |
| 22:22.11 | lee___ | Well, I need it to do that. |
| 22:22.27 | azeem | lee___: how do you setup networking? |
| 22:22.37 | moshii | mhall: that looks like bsd or solaris... |
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| 22:22.41 | lee___ | azeem: Well, how can I make init run these three commands as root? "ifconfig rausb0 up" "iwconfig rausb0 essid linksys" "dhclient" |
| 22:23.01 | mhall | moshii: No. Compaq Smart Array controller uses /dev/cciss/cXdXpX |
| 22:23.43 | macafe_ | cat temp.txt | sed s/OSControl/VistoriaControl/g | awk {'print "INSERT INTO cms_permission \n (class, method, role_id) VALUES\n ('\''"$2"'\'', '\''"$3"'\'', '\''"$4"'\'');\n"'} > temp.sql |
| 22:23.45 | moshii | mhall: ooh, well I don't know how much grub likes devices it can't map to bios devices. grub2 is meant to fix that |
| 22:23.46 | mhall | moshii: Weird thing is, it used to work, until dist-upgrade. |
| 22:23.46 | Akuw | i did download j2sdk.bin, where can i install it ? |
| 22:23.55 | Akuw | /usr/share ? |
| 22:23.55 | mhall | moshii: Tried grub2 deb. Same error. |
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| 22:24.06 | lee___ | azeem: ? |
| 22:24.59 | moshii | mhall: have you tried using grub manually, or are you just using the scripts in the kernel packages? |
| 22:25.14 | mhall | moshii: Using scripts. Scripts used to work though. |
| 22:26.23 | moshii | mhall: the scripts are probably still calling grub even if you have grub2 installed though. What happens if you use the grub prompt and do the root(.. setup(.. business? |
| 22:26.37 | mhall | moshii: never tried that |
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| 22:26.57 | mooze | hi Wyzard |
| 22:26.58 | \amethyst | mhall: '\'' would be the way to do it... but where does your input text file come from? |
| 22:27.02 | \amethyst | err |
| 22:27.03 | \amethyst | sorry |
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| 22:27.10 | \amethyst | macafe_: '\'' would be the way to do it... but where does your input text file come from? |
| 22:27.33 | ryushe | greetings, I've been looking all over the place: can someone tell me how to get mc display correctly on a stock debian system? by correctly I mean without the strange looking characters for lines etc |
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| 22:27.51 | jfg_ | hi |
| 22:27.57 | mhall | God I hate Grub. It causes me no end of failures. |
| 22:28.00 | moshii | mhall: you should be able to reboot as the code in the mbr doesnt need to be touched with grub.. the message you're getting *might* be one you can ignore |
| 22:28.06 | macafe_ | \amethyst, my file have \t |
| 22:28.07 | mhall | I never had a machine where Grub worked right the first time. |
| 22:28.09 | jfg_ | i'm looking for sarge netinst iso, i dunno where to find it |
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| 22:28.24 | mhall | Then, it works for a while and breaks later. |
| 22:28.51 | \amethyst | mhall: but, I mean, where does the data in that file come from? Is it user input, output of a program, or what? |
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| 22:29.13 | mhall | !stab \amethyst |
| 22:29.13 | dpkg | runs at \amethyst with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 22:29.15 | mhall | ;-) |
| 22:29.42 | moshii | mhall: lilo hard codes where it has to find kernels, and doesn't allow you to rescue yourself if it can't find those kernels ;) |
| 22:30.01 | azeem | lee___: did you setup /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 22:30.10 | mhall | moshii: yeah but fails a lot less |
| 22:30.12 | \amethyst | gah |
| 22:30.19 | moshii | stuck with lilo until he can work out how to get grub to boot from LVM |
| 22:30.23 | \amethyst | macafe_: but, I mean, where does the data in that file come from? Is it user input, output of a program, or what? |
| 22:30.44 | mhall | is trying older and older versions of grub from snapshot.debian.net |
| 22:31.15 | mooze | hey - anyone here know where the kernel headers are installed? |
| 22:31.19 | mhall | binary search |
| 22:31.23 | mhall | yay |
| 22:31.39 | moshii | mooze: /usr/src |
| 22:31.45 | macafe_ | this is a file formated in columns, example "aaa bbb ccc"... and I need create a sql file to run in other server |
| 22:31.49 | \amethyst | mooze: which headers exactly |
| 22:31.56 | moshii | mooze: or dpkg -L <el packageo> |
| 22:31.59 | \amethyst | macafe_: I know that, I can read awk |
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| 22:32.09 | \amethyst | macafe_: I'm asking where does the file come from? |
| 22:32.27 | \amethyst | macafe_: because if its contents can be influenced by your users, you have a massive security hole |
| 22:32.32 | mooze | moshii: i thought /usr/src was for the kernel sources |
| 22:32.49 | moshii | mooze: kernel headers are kernel sources |
| 22:33.02 | \amethyst | mooze: headers for building modules, or user-space headers? |
| 22:33.21 | macafe_ | \amethyst, this data is generate in other softwasre |
| 22:33.25 | octox2 | is there a way to filter access to my NFS by restricting MAC addresses ? |
| 22:33.55 | mooze | \amethyst: user space headers |
| 22:34.15 | \amethyst | macafe_: are you absolutely certain that none of the columns can contain the string: '); drop table cms_permission; select (' ?? |
| 22:34.16 | mooze | moshii: are you sure that kernel headers = kernel sources? |
| 22:34.31 | azurite | octox2: a more elegant solution may be to use iptables to implement the mac filtering |
| 22:34.32 | moshii | kernel userspace headers... oxymoron? |
| 22:34.33 | mooze | moshii: I thought they were different.... |
| 22:34.50 | vjoe | is there any software to develop flash for Linux? |
| 22:35.15 | cafuego | vjoe: yes, but not like adobe's desktop software |
| 22:35.19 | ryushe | develop flash, as in, something like Adobe Flash (the editor)? |
| 22:35.24 | moshii | mooze: no, headers are source files. They are used with programs, and for building against other programs.. see libraries, linking,... |
| 22:35.31 | cafuego | vjoe: instead, there are language bindgings for things like PHP to generate flash code code. |
| 22:35.35 | vjoe | to make a flash animation for example |
| 22:35.44 | ryushe | vjoe: if so, you're outta luck, but there's a library for PHP that will do it |
| 22:35.54 | vjoe | hm |
| 22:35.55 | macafe_ | \amethyst, I understand your point of sql injection... But I'm really know data |
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| 22:36.11 | mooze | moshii: yes, I am familiar with what headers are - but /usr/src i thought is for kernel sources that include the complete sources |
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| 22:36.20 | ryushe | vjoe: it's called ming |
| 22:36.24 | \amethyst | mooze: those are in the package linux-libc-dev or linux-kernel-headers |
| 22:36.25 | mooze | moshii: whereas you need the headers just to compile against the libs |
| 22:36.37 | mooze | \amethyst: thankx |
| 22:36.40 | ryushe | vjoe: although I do remember reading something about someone developing a simple version of flash for desktop linux |
| 22:36.46 | ryushe | let me see if I can find it |
| 22:36.46 | moshii | mooze: putting the linux headers in with the library headers would be silly |
| 22:36.57 | \amethyst | mooze: they are not raw Linux headers, as they have to be sanitized for the benefit of userspace |
| 22:37.09 | bpun | hi folks-- i did this mtu size test against my provider and found it doesnt fragment until 4068 .. is trying to set my machine mtu past 1500 cause problems? |
| 22:37.12 | nse | thank you oh lord for the existence of this operational system in earth |
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| 22:37.23 | mooze | moshii: having them in /usr/src would be equally silly |
| 22:37.24 | bpun | hi folks- |
| 22:37.29 | bpun | i did this mtu size test against my provider and found it doesnt fragment until 4068 .. is trying to set my machine mtu past 1500 cause problems? |
| 22:37.37 | moshii | mooze: why? explain, back of postcard |
| 22:37.38 | cafuego | bpun: what are you trying to achieve by doing that? |
| 22:37.38 | octox2 | azurite: right you are, time to learn thanks |
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| 22:37.40 | \amethyst | mooze: the *real* headers, used for building modules, are in linux-headers-$(uname -r), in the directory /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 22:37.52 | bpun | cafuego, hehehe wouldnt my net transfer go faster? |
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| 22:38.09 | cafuego | Did it, when you tested? |
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| 22:38.20 | moshii | mooze: the linux headers packages are just stripped source trees. |
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| 22:38.56 | bpun | cafuego, the problem is my nat box.. it doesnt let me go past 1500 hehehe.. but i think my winbloze machine wont work |
| 22:39.16 | bpun | stupid natbox is a dlink... |
| 22:39.25 | cafuego | you got cable? |
| 22:39.52 | bpun | cafuego, its videotron... they're already doing very regional and past beta 30mbit and 50mbit residential.. |
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| 22:40.10 | cafuego | "it's videotron" tells me exactly nothing |
| 22:40.11 | bpun | cafuego, but i'm sticking with my 10mbit.. |
| 22:40.13 | ryushe | vjoe: could be this: http://f4l.sourceforge.net/ -- no guarantees tho |
| 22:40.33 | heatman | What needs to be done in etch to be able to make my hostname resolve to the local IP |
| 22:40.42 | vjoe | thanks, bookmarked it :) |
| 22:41.00 | azurite | heatman: man hosts |
| 22:41.01 | moshii | vjoe: if you're producing flash that isn't just buttons (use dhtml for that), you'll need adobes tools |
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| 22:41.16 | vjoe | yeah :\ |
| 22:41.17 | ryushe | moshii: agreed |
| 22:41.19 | bpun | cafuego, videotron is my isp.. they're supposedly doing all kinds of upgrades on their networks.. their 30mbit was being offered in feburary.. i was hoping someone can tell me if networks go up the mtu goes up too.. |
| 22:41.21 | heatman | azurite: kk thats been done |
| 22:41.22 | vjoe | I will have to install windows on a VM |
| 22:41.44 | moshii | vjoe: you can do a lot with libraries like YUI, avoid flash if possible |
| 22:41.46 | ryushe | moshii: check this screenshot though: http://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=23667 |
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| 22:42.09 | zinx | bpun: even 100mbit ethernet is limited to 1500 byte frames.. most 1gbit ethernet supports larger frames, though |
| 22:42.11 | cafuego | bpun: That still doesn't tell me what sort of connection is is though |
| 22:42.17 | bpun | isnt it the rule of thumb, a greater mtu leads to larger transfer? |
| 22:42.19 | mhall | moshii: I SDNed myself down to 0.97-32 and it works. |
| 22:42.28 | mhall | moshii: So I reportbugged the problem. |
| 22:42.44 | moshii | ryushe: It'll be a long long time before it's ready for real work :( |
| 22:42.52 | zinx | bpun: larger mtu leads to less overhead, but only if it's actually supported by the hardware |
| 22:42.57 | bpun | cafuego, my subscription is 10mbit download and about 900kbit upload.. i have no clue what else to try out.. |
| 22:42.58 | moshii | mhall: yeah :) |
| 22:43.05 | ryushe | moshii: fair enough, but the start is there, the guy is making simple animations with it already |
| 22:43.10 | cafuego | bpun: That still doesn't tell me what sort of connection is is though. |
| 22:43.20 | bpun | zinx, i was wondering cause i can ping 4068 bytes without fragmentation to my isp.. |
| 22:43.29 | mhall | moshii: somebody broke something somewhere, as is typical with that piece of @#$% bootloader |
| 22:43.47 | zinx | bpun: you're not neccesarily going to notice the fragmentation |
| 22:43.49 | bpun | cafuego, well i'm probably on docsis2 .. i am on cable of course.. |
| 22:43.58 | moshii | mhall: if PC bios's weren't so shit we wouldn't have as many problems |
| 22:44.01 | cafuego | And there we go, an answer finally. |
| 22:44.07 | cafuego | why "of course" though? |
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| 22:44.16 | mhall | moshii: very true |
| 22:44.27 | heatman | Would anyone would know what to do to redirect ip using such services as freedns afraid.org so i dont get directed to external ip but to my pc internal ip with the need of specifying a port? Reason for that is that my ISP, videotron, blocks port 80 and i needed to change it! |
| 22:44.27 | dokma | hi guys |
| 22:44.43 | bpun | cafuego, what other services go 30 mbit and 50mbit ? |
| 22:44.57 | bpun | cafuego, this is residential... |
| 22:45.11 | dokma | I can't figure out why my systray clock is showing 2 hours extra compared to what is displayed when I right click the clock and select adjust date and time |
| 22:45.13 | cafuego | bpun: fibre. my adsl2+ is nearly at 30mbit as well <heh> |
| 22:45.14 | bpun | so i was saying obvsiouly it is cable.. |
| 22:45.20 | dokma | it's in kde on debian |
| 22:45.27 | cafuego | and yes, we have residential fibre here |
| 22:45.29 | bpun | cafuego, what isp then? |
| 22:45.36 | cafuego | bpun: Internode |
| 22:45.39 | dokma | date from the command line returns correctly |
| 22:45.42 | moshii | heatman: you want a dyndns account and nano/vi to change the port of your webserver? |
| 22:45.49 | vjoe | bye |
| 22:45.58 | DirkGently | heatman: isp blocks incoming port 80? you're trying to host a web server? |
| 22:46.01 | bpun | cafuego, and for residence? |
| 22:46.09 | heatman | DirkGently: yes |
| 22:46.11 | cafuego | bpun: I'm in Australia |
| 22:46.24 | bpun | cafuego, hahaha... |
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| 22:46.46 | heatman | moshii: i have an account... just need to figure out how to set it up so i dont need to specify my new assign port all the time |
| 22:46.53 | cafuego | bpun: So references to what may or may not be noprmal in canada make no sense to me. |
| 22:47.02 | moshii | heatman: you'll need a proxy to forward the packets to you're server running on a different port. or just tell people to specify the port |
| 22:47.28 | bpun | cafuego, strange this chick was telling me the cable internet is slow in australia.. |
| 22:47.39 | DirkGently | thx moshii |
| 22:47.45 | moshii | heatman: you'll need a proxy for that. blocking port 80 suggest that you're isp doesn't want you running webservers. |
| 22:47.47 | bpun | cafuego, it must be very expensive over there.. |
| 22:47.50 | heatman | moshii: doh! there is no other way? |
| 22:47.52 | DirkGently | (quicker typist) |
| 22:47.58 | cafuego | bpun: it is. it's also limited to a really shit ISP. |
| 22:47.59 | moshii | heatman: yeah. Magic |
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| 22:48.08 | cafuego | bpun: Thus is have adsl |
| 22:48.18 | heatman | moshii: lol magic! |
| 22:48.35 | DirkGently | heatman: change isp? |
| 22:48.40 | moshii | heatman: DNS has nothing to do with forwarding packets |
| 22:48.55 | cafuego | bpun: Cable here afaik is limited to 10Mbit. My adsl runs at 24. |
| 22:49.02 | moshii | heatman: so dyndns will do nothing for your firewallage |
| 22:49.13 | bpun | cafuego, and how much is it by month.. you stuck to 5 gigs? lol |
| 22:49.14 | heatman | DirkGently: its not my house... we just changed because it was cheaper to have internet, phone and tv under one bundle |
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| 22:49.56 | cafuego | bpun: not quite, no <heh> |
| 22:50.19 | cafuego | bpun: Again, the (monopoly) cable ISP is the one with stupid download limits. |
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| 22:50.43 | cafuego | bpun: To be with them you have to be unwilling to do the slightest bit of research into alternatives. |
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| 22:51.55 | bpun | cafuego, that sucks.. you folks have sea cables to asia.. must be expensive for australia to bargain bandwidth .. |
| 22:52.08 | cafuego | Ther are _the_ worst value for money, have shit tech support and drop out all the time. People who complain about bad service with them but don't switch to someone else only have themselves to blame. |
| 22:52.18 | zinx | cafuego: it's different here in the US.. to be with the (single) cable ISP, you simply have to dislike the (single) adsl ISP more. |
| 22:52.21 | Ergo^ | hey guys, im looking for some free mp3 tagging tool that could download cd covers too... |
| 22:52.33 | ryushe | does anyone know of a good open source performance benchmarking tool? |
| 22:52.37 | cafuego | bpun: Their mobile phone data use is $15,000/GiB <heh> |
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| 22:52.38 | moshii | used to have internet that went across a runway via microwave.. |
| 22:52.49 | moshii | plane lands.. downtime |
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| 22:53.39 | moshii | Ergo^: have you tried typing your request into the mighty google? Or are you just wanting us to do it for you? |
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| 22:53.48 | cafuego | zinx: Yuck. Most major ISps here all have their own DSLAM equipment installed into the exchanges, and they have an easy-switch system where you're down for an hour or so whilst someone flips a switch in the exchange. |
| 22:53.49 | bpun | cafuego, you australians should petition competition.. monopoly's suck.. just look at m$.. |
| 22:54.16 | Ergo^ | moshii: make a guess.... heh |
| 22:54.21 | cafuego | bpun: There *is* competition, just not in cable. Which is shit anyway. |
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| 22:54.29 | cyberagent | apt, tell me about centos |
| 22:54.30 | moshii | Ergo^: I guess, no. |
| 22:54.38 | bpun | cafuego, well dial up.. hehe anything under 10mbit sucks... |
| 22:54.39 | abrotman | cyberagent: msg the bbot |
| 22:55.03 | cafuego | bpun: I wouldn't want to downgrade to your 10mbit speed ;-) |
| 22:55.43 | cafuego | there's a whole bunch now offering adsl2, with mine doing annex m as well, so i get decent upload too. |
| 22:56.05 | Ergo^ | moshii: i looked but if there are like 50 tools for that its easier to ask, but that is sometimes outside average debian user point of view, but i got answer on #linux so dont bother.... |
| 22:56.24 | bpun | cafuego, well i have no clue how good adsl is.. i think they measure 24 differently though.. you sure about 24mbit in adsl is as good as 20mbit cable? |
| 22:56.25 | cafuego | and a lot of new developments in the burbs are having 50Mbit fibre installed |
| 22:57.04 | cafuego | bpun: it syncs at 21 to 22mbit and i can indeed pull down that much data. |
| 22:57.19 | bpun | cafuego, there in australian 50mbit? i dont think fiber opts are for residential.. rather it must be a split and channeled .. |
| 22:57.21 | cafuego | bpun: Obviously if you live far from the exchange it will be slower. |
| 22:57.34 | moshii | Ergo^: you didn't even say what environment you were going yo use it in.. did you want something curses based, something GTK.. shot in the dark |
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| 22:58.03 | Ergo^ | moshii: gtk based, sorry if the question was wrong ;-) |
| 22:58.10 | cafuego | bpun: yes, it's fibre to the home. You end up with an ethernet socket in the wall. |
| 22:58.43 | bpun | i thought ethernet can be used more than 1500 mtu ... is this supposed to change soon? |
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| 23:00.02 | moshii | Ergo^: apt-cache search gtk tag, or gtk mp3.. |
| 23:00.22 | bpun | hehe.. what if my driver can let me increase the frame mtu.. |
| 23:00.34 | Ergo^ | moshii: i used synaptic for that, but like i said i have the answer now =) |
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| 23:02.49 | pawbie | So I have a site that reads in user/pass in a form all authentication done through postback.... and I want to wget from it. Any tips? |
| 23:03.01 | RotnApple | I installed the kernel headers for 2.6.18-6-686 and /lib/modules/2.6-18-6-686/build doesn't exist.. any ideas what I can do? |
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| 23:04.07 | bpun | cafuego, so for gigabit ethernet the mtu lim is 1500 as well? |
| 23:04.08 | pawbie | RotnApple: Link it to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 or whatever your version was. |
| 23:04.15 | RotnApple | ok |
| 23:04.22 | foobar8 | pawbie: no cookies? man wget search for post-data in man wget |
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| 23:04.41 | cafuego | bpun: That depends entirely on the equipment you're using, I assume. |
| 23:04.45 | pawbie | foobar8: Ah, hm. Thanks, let me try. |
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| 23:07.48 | RotnApple | does debian linux headers not include the autoconf file? |
| 23:08.00 | abrotman | huh? |
| 23:08.02 | RotnApple | should I just download the source and make a kernel |
| 23:08.03 | dondelelcaro | RotnApple: why would it include the autoconf file? |
| 23:08.06 | RotnApple | not sure |
| 23:08.19 | RotnApple | im trying to build ivtv drivers and its telling me to do a make oldconfig |
| 23:08.31 | dondelelcaro | RotnApple: just m-a a-i ivtv; |
| 23:08.41 | RotnApple | m-a a-i? |
| 23:08.43 | dondelelcaro | RotnApple: install module-assistant if you don't already have it installed. |
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| 23:08.48 | dondelelcaro | !m-a |
| 23:08.48 | dpkg | from memory, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 23:08.48 | RotnApple | ok |
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| 23:17.32 | black_13 | eth0 is not coming up what steps can i take to trouble shoot this? |
| 23:17.39 | KaptinKurk | How would I record a the sound output of DOSBox and where would this sound be located? |
| 23:18.08 | pawbie | KaptinKurk: Audigy? |
| 23:18.19 | KaptinKurk | Audigy? |
| 23:18.31 | moshii | KaptinKurk: dosbox probably has an option to write the sound to disk |
| 23:19.22 | abrotman | pawbie: audacity you mean? |
| 23:19.24 | pawbie | ah, I'm special. |
| 23:19.26 | foobar8 | KaptinKurk: CTRL-F6 does not work? |
| 23:19.26 | pawbie | audacity |
| 23:19.35 | KaptinKurk | foobar8: no |
| 23:19.36 | pawbie | abrotman ftw |
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| 23:20.07 | KaptinKurk | Where is DOSBox's configuration file located? |
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| 23:20.51 | foobar8 | KaptinKurk: ~/.dosboxrc |
| 23:21.13 | foobar8 | KaptinKurk: i remember I did record movies including sound - but i have forgotton how |
| 23:21.52 | pawbie | foobar8: The cookie trick seems to still require someone log in first. Any other tips on using wget (or curl, or whatever) to submit postback data? |
| 23:22.05 | KaptinKurk | Console gives me "Can't open dir capture for capturing Wave Output" |
| 23:22.10 | foobar8 | KaptinKurk: i think i really simply used the key combo |
| 23:22.24 | foobar8 | KaptinKurk: mkdir capture |
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| 23:23.02 | KaptinKurk | ah there we go, thanks |
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| 23:23.19 | foobar8 | pawbie: does the page use cookies? |
| 23:23.26 | pawbie | ya |
| 23:23.44 | foobar8 | pawbie: you did read the man page about cookies closely? |
| 23:24.15 | pawbie | foobar8: Yea. The site requires a validator, username, password. Validator is dynamic. |
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| 23:25.25 | foobar8 | pawbie: fun |
| 23:25.55 | foobar8 | pawbie: a good idea is to first capture a dump using your favorite browser |
| 23:26.09 | pawbie | foobar8: Done. ;) |
| 23:26.12 | foobar8 | pawbie: using tcpdump/tshark/... |
| 23:26.15 | pawbie | I found something in the curl manual... hm. |
| 23:26.36 | foobar8 | pawbie: well wether you use wget or curl does not really matter? |
| 23:26.53 | pawbie | No, doesn't really matter as long as I end up with the logs. |
| 23:26.56 | azurite | is there any way to have 'mke2fs -c -c ...' invoke badblocks with -t random ? |
| 23:27.25 | foobar8 | pawbie: logs = traffic dump? |
| 23:27.59 | pawbie | foobar8: Ah, no, the logs are what I want from the server. |
| 23:28.00 | epsilon | does lenny already has security support? |
| 23:28.50 | foobar8 | pawbie: ok - so you did use your favorite browser, have login+pass, did some browsing and acquired a traffic dump of that? |
| 23:28.58 | pawbie | epsilon: ? It has access control and ipchains. |
| 23:29.06 | pawbie | foobar8: Yea. |
| 23:29.08 | foobar8 | pawbie: and now you want to automate some ... |
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| 23:29.33 | foobar8 | pawbie: the remaining problem is the validator post field |
| 23:29.35 | akio | hello |
| 23:29.37 | pawbie | pawbie: Yep. And I need to POST user, pass, validator, save the cookie, and wget the log. |
| 23:29.49 | krux0 | is it possible to grep two words simultaneously? |
| 23:29.52 | akio | where would i find the logs that are generated at boot time? |
| 23:30.01 | pawbie | akio: /var/log or dmesg |
| 23:30.03 | akio | and how would i view them |
| 23:30.04 | epsilon | pawbie: I mean by security.debian.org |
| 23:30.06 | azurite | akio: /var/log/messages |
| 23:30.17 | akio | thanks |
| 23:30.42 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 23:30.42 | dpkg | well, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 23:30.43 | pawbie | epsilon: You can double check the repo's in Synaptic if you want to be sure. |
| 23:30.52 | foobar8 | pawbie: for me it seems the realy question is how is the validator made up? no? |
| 23:31.08 | akio | dmesg puts out a crap load |
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| 23:31.20 | pawbie | foobar8: It's a generic ASP validator generated by faeries or such. |
| 23:31.28 | pawbie | akio: dmesg | more |
| 23:31.35 | abrotman | less! |
| 23:31.54 | akio | how do i use dmesg | grep to find stuff mentioning ntfs? |
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| 23:32.02 | pawbie | akio: dmesg | grep -i ntfs |
| 23:32.07 | akio | thanks |
| 23:32.18 | akio | i love this channel |
| 23:32.22 | foobar8 | foobar8: so it does not require some client side (javascript) processing? |
| 23:32.29 | akio | i love etch |
| 23:32.41 | akio | i wish it had newer stuff though |
| 23:32.45 | pawbie | foobar8: I don't think so... |
| 23:32.47 | foobar8 | pawbie: ~s/foobar8/pawbie/ (not talking to myself ;-) |
| 23:32.57 | pawbie | pawbie: assumed ;) |
| 23:33.08 | foobar8 | pawbie: is it constant? |
| 23:33.15 | DirkGently | foobar8: lol I was just going to mention that |
| 23:33.31 | pawbie | It's generated server side by MS magic, then constant for the login session. |
| 23:34.09 | foobar8 | pawbie: so just pass it along in your --post-data? |
| 23:34.18 | pawbie | Trying it with curl now. |
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| 23:36.49 | akio | ok, i have been playing around with ntfs stuff, seeing what they all do, im getting somewhere with it but i am missing a message that i think is very important |
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| 23:37.18 | akio | the message flies by at boot time but i know it has either ntfs or NTFS in it |
| 23:37.36 | akio | it mentions something about /usr/sbin/ montntfs or something |
| 23:37.43 | akio | mount* |
| 23:37.59 | pawbie | aha. It works every couple of times. |
| 23:38.05 | akio | but its not showing up in the before mentioned logs |
| 23:38.28 | pawbie | akio: Press pause-break next time you reboot and it goes by. |
| 23:38.36 | akio | that will pause it? |
| 23:38.43 | pawbie | hopefully. |
| 23:38.45 | akio | sweet |
| 23:38.53 | akio | thanks, ill try that |
| 23:39.28 | pawbie | akio: You could try "cat /etc/fstab" and see if it has an entry for ntfs. |
| 23:39.54 | akio | the way im trying to do it, there should be no fstab |
| 23:39.58 | akio | for ntfs |
| 23:40.20 | akio | but there is |
| 23:40.27 | akio | hmm |
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| 23:44.13 | akio | there is an fstab entry for gid 46, but i have no group for 46 |
| 23:44.26 | akio | i don't even have a 46 |
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| 23:44.54 | lee___ | Someone help me, when I boot, ldap can't connect to the server it needs to, so I can't log in. How can I make my internet connect first thing? |
| 23:48.45 | lee___ | Anyone here? |
| 23:49.07 | azeem | 00:27 < azeem> lee___: did you setup /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:49.25 | lee___ | azeem: What should be in it? |
| 23:49.42 | azeem | the appropriate stuff to configure your networking |
| 23:49.55 | azeem | man interfaces |
| 23:49.58 | lee___ | azeem: "iface rausb0 inet dhcp essid linksys"? |
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| 23:50.25 | azeem | no |
| 23:50.34 | akio | ok, before i reboot, what tool can i use to search through all the text on my system? |
| 23:50.40 | akio | all the scripts and everything |
| 23:50.50 | lee___ | azeem: What should it be? man interfaces confused me :s |
| 23:50.53 | azeem | akio: grep -R 'pattern' / |
| 23:50.58 | akio | ok |
| 23:51.01 | akio | thanks |
| 23:51.27 | azeem | lee___: see /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian for some more wlan-specific advice |
| 23:51.54 | lee___ | azeem: Can you tell me what to put in it for now, then I'll read that? Please! :( |
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| 23:51.59 | azeem | lee___: no |
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| 23:54.35 | lee___ | azeem: I'm trying here |
| 23:54.37 | lee___ | iface rausb0 inet dhcp |
| 23:54.37 | lee___ | wireless-essid linksys |
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| 23:54.40 | lee___ | Is that right? |
| 23:55.19 | Nurulwai | I have an executable on a mounted drive. When I try and launch it with "./abc", it says "cannot execute binary file." When I launch it with "python abc", it works. I think I read somewhere about an issue with executables on mounts but I can't really remember. Anyone got more info? |
| 23:55.41 | lee___ | Nurulwai: chmod -x abc? |
| 23:55.44 | lee___ | +x* |
| 23:56.17 | Wyzard | Nurulwai: If it's a Python script, does it begin with a line like ?#!/usr/bin/python" ? |
| 23:56.18 | lee___ | azeem: ? |
| 23:56.26 | azeem | lee___: did you even try? |
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| 23:56.45 | azeem | lee___: it's totally out of question to let every command get evaluated by this channel |
| 23:57.00 | lee___ | No azeem, I'd like to know if it works. Will that work? |
| 23:57.18 | lee___ | azeem: Because if I try it |
| 23:57.28 | lee___ | And it doesn't work, I have to reboot into single user mode :( |
| 23:57.32 | azeem | lee___: are you trying to tell us that you're running a mission-critical server on wlan? |
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| 23:57.54 | Nurulwai | Wyzard / lee___: Apologies, it was me being dumb. When I had a fat32 mounted drive I got a similar error. This was due to the file itself being corrupt (I had some problems recently...), It was "^@^@^@^@r/bin..." rather than "#!". Sorry to waste your time. :-) |
| 23:57.56 | lee___ | azeem: Huh? |
| 23:58.03 | Nurulwai | Corrected it to #! and it's working |
| 23:58.05 | azeem | lee___: are you actually sitting at this machine? |
| 23:58.11 | lee___ | Yes azeem. |
| 23:58.11 | Nurulwai | Though it makes me wonder what else I'm gonna find is screwy |
| 23:58.25 | malifal | hello, I have a network manager problem, I had to disable nw for a while and just had /etc/init.d/networking working by itself, but now when I run /etc/init.d/network-manager and dispatcher i keep getting an x of the nw-applet, even though i'm still connected |
| 23:58.26 | azeem | lee___: so just run ifdown / ifup as usual |
| 23:58.31 | azeem | lee___: no need to reboot |
| 23:58.42 | lee___ | azeem: I need it to be online |
| 23:58.44 | azeem | if the interface is brought up properly by ifup, you can try reboot |
| 23:58.48 | lee___ | Before it tries to connect to the ldap server |
| 23:58.54 | lee___ | Or I can't log in without being in single-user mode .. |
| 23:59.02 | Dummies_freelanc | hi i wan erase all gnome and kde i only wan openbox in my desk |
| 23:59.04 | azeem | lee___: you're not logged in right now? |
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| 23:59.26 | The-Kernel | how do I start sysklogd? |
| 23:59.30 | The-Kernel | my system isn't logging |
| 23:59.31 | lee___ | I am, azeem. I'm in single-user mode, rebooting to see if that interfaces will work |
| 23:59.39 | azeem | lee___: 01:56 < azeem> lee___: no need to reboot |
| 23:59.43 | azeem | lee___: please pay attention |
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| 23:59.51 | Dummies_freelanc | how do? |
| 23:59.51 | Wyzard | The-Kernel: /etc/init.d/sysklogd start |
| 23:59.58 | Wyzard | The-Kernel: but that should start automatically at boot time |
