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| 00:01.12 | prolix | abrotman: pardon, i was away typing in #wireless. i'm not sure i know what you mean by the full install bit? |
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| 00:01.28 | abrotman | prolix: the last part |
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| 00:02.04 | prolix | abrotman: no, i didn't do that step because i didn't see a new interface available. should i try? |
| 00:02.09 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:02.13 | abrotman | unsure |
| 00:02.28 | prolix | if you're unsure, then i'm utterly confused |
| 00:02.37 | Dummies_freelanc | hi . i need one solution for this error totem |
| 00:02.37 | Dummies_freelanc | totem: symbol lookup error: totem: undefined symbol: gtk_builder_new |
| 00:03.02 | dacs | icesword: thank you so much |
| 00:03.13 | icesword | nope |
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| 00:06.21 | dacs | 02:08.0 Communication controller: Conexant HSF 56k Data/Fax/Voice/Spkp Modem (rev 01) |
| 00:06.37 | themill | Is there a utility that will (easily) add a column of numbers read from stdin (from a pipe)? |
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| 00:07.25 | cellofellow | keith4_: that kernel source is almost done downloading |
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| 00:07.51 | cellofellow | keith4_: http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/ I want to do this with it. |
| 00:08.01 | dondelelcaro | themill: awk or perl will |
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| 00:08.30 | cellofellow | keith4_: in the "Linux-based prism2_srec flashing steps" section, number 2 in that list. |
| 00:08.40 | ma3x | why 'log out' of gnome gives me black screen instead of the console? |
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| 00:08.50 | cellofellow | keith4_: well, number 2 seems easy, but number 3 I don't know about. |
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| 00:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dummies_freelanc: your program most probably has loaded a runtime library of the wrong version... or not at all - ldd can show you which runtime libraries are used by a proces... did you already google for that error? |
| 00:09.13 | dondelelcaro | themill: oh, you mean sum a column; perl is probably the easiest way; perl -ne 'BEGIN{ $sum=0;} chomp; $sum+=$_; END {print $sum,qq(\n);}' |
| 00:09.32 | themill | dondelelcaro: I was naïvely hoping for something of the cut grep head tail class of things, but that will do quite nicely too. cheers. |
| 00:09.55 | dondelelcaro | (if I knew more awk, I could give you the awk equivalent, but meh.) |
| 00:10.06 | themill | dondelelcaro: awk '{tot=tot+$1} END {print tot}' |
| 00:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha... yes |
| 00:10.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | was just going to say that awk'll do it |
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| 00:10.55 | themill | dondelelcaro: courtesy of google... not my own personal awk-fu ;) I'd forgotten awk could do such things so hadn't looked for it first. |
| 00:11.34 | ma3x | why logout of gnome returns me to black screen instead of the console? |
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| 00:12.10 | ManyFilesJoe | hi |
| 00:14.06 | Rerogo | ma3x: maybe it's X with nothing running? which would seem to indicate your ~/.xinitrc is funny |
| 00:14.40 | ma3x | ? |
| 00:14.57 | cellofellow | keith4_: never mind, gonna take another half an hour to download build-deps |
| 00:15.02 | ma3x | no .xinitrc |
| 00:15.11 | Rerogo | what about .xsession? |
| 00:15.28 | Rerogo | (you use gdm/xdm/some other graphical login thing?) |
| 00:15.40 | Rerogo | (wait.. no) |
| 00:16.11 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: do you get a console if you ctrl-alt-f1? |
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| 00:16.34 | ma3x | dondelelcaro: no only black |
| 00:17.01 | ma3x | Rerogo: used and then purged them |
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| 00:17.09 | abrotman | ma3x: which driver? |
| 00:17.16 | ma3x | intel |
| 00:17.29 | ma3x | no .xsession |
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| 00:18.06 | Rerogo | ok, then the problem probably isn't there |
| 00:19.26 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: that usually means that for whatever reason the console has switched into some mode that can't be flipped back out of |
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| 00:19.59 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: is this a laptop? |
| 00:20.05 | ma3x | yes |
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| 00:20.14 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: and you've suspended it? |
| 00:20.18 | ma3x | no |
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| 00:20.27 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: not at any time that X was running? |
| 00:20.35 | ma3x | no |
| 00:20.37 | bbyever | hi, i have a patch for a package but i dont know where to submit it |
| 00:20.51 | dondelelcaro | bbyever: file a bug for it and/or put it there |
| 00:20.52 | cellofellow | ..././///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// |
| 00:20.55 | cellofellow | . |
| 00:21.22 | bbyever | dondelelcaro: is there any special procedure if it coming from Ubuntu? |
| 00:21.25 | ma3x | can try again |
| 00:21.40 | ma3x | brb |
| 00:21.56 | cellofellow | ooops |
| 00:22.03 | cellofellow | was carrying my laptop around |
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| 00:23.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | cellofellow: and I thought you wanted to change path :) |
| 00:23.28 | bbyever | dondelelcaro: oh never mind, i just found out about usertags |
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| 00:25.58 | ma3x | dondelelcaro: it works with vga=791 |
| 00:26.20 | bbyever | dondelelcaro: is there a web interface to report bugs? or do i have to use reportbug or email? |
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| 00:27.16 | dondelelcaro | bbyever: use reportbug or email |
| 00:27.29 | bbyever | dondelelcaro: ok thanks! |
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| 00:27.33 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 00:30.43 | octox2 | i set my filter to "iptables -D INPUT -s ! 192.168.1.148 -j DROP" and when i try to ssh into the box with that set, it takes about 10 seconds for it to respond. Is that normal? |
| 00:30.55 | mikearthur | I'm trying to pin php4-common so it is never installed, how would I do that? I've read the various guides but can't quite get it |
| 00:31.07 | octox2 | without anything set, it is immediate |
| 00:31.30 | mikearthur | also which is better for security updates: lenny or etch-backports? |
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| 00:32.36 | tmccrary | Does anyone know how to fix the following issue: mount.nfs: Stale NFS file handle when trying to mount an nfs share? |
| 00:32.42 | tmccrary | "mount.nfs: Stale NFS file handle" |
| 00:32.49 | tmccrary | I tried to reboot and it says the same thing |
| 00:33.07 | abrotman | mikearthur: use the one that matches yoru installation |
| 00:33.17 | dacs | i need help please my setup is like this now . Dsl modem ---> wireless linksys . debian box i connected wirelesslly(using this irssi). i would like to use the embanded ethernet card to connect another device |
| 00:33.37 | mikearthur | I'm using etch but I was wondering if etch-backports receives as many/more/less security updates than lenny? |
| 00:34.14 | dacs | *wireless linksys router |
| 00:36.06 | abrotman | mikearthur: they're not compatible |
| 00:36.16 | mikearthur | I know they aren't |
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| 00:36.31 | mikearthur | but I'm asking which I should use if I'm pinning a few select packages |
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| 00:36.42 | dondelelcaro | mikearthur: depends on the maintainer |
| 00:36.49 | mikearthur | ok, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 00:37.09 | dondelelcaro | mikearthur: if the maintainer is paying attention, they both should be similar, but if the maintainer isn't, T-S-U is probably better (but possibly not) |
| 00:37.16 | mikearthur | also: I'm trying to pin php4-common so it is never installed, how would I do that? I've read the various guides but can't quite get it? |
| 00:37.26 | dondelelcaro | mikearthur: why in the world would you do that? |
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| 00:37.37 | dondelelcaro | mikearthur: if something has php4-common as a dependency, it'll be installed |
| 00:37.41 | mikearthur | I know |
| 00:37.46 | abrotman | so why? |
| 00:37.52 | mikearthur | can I work out what is calling it in? |
| 00:37.54 | Dummies_freelanc | hi.. i reboot my system and i have this error totem: symbol lookup error: totem: undefined symbol: gtk_builder_new , but i execute this & all ok. ldd `which totem` | grep local|cut -d " " -f 3 | xargs rm |
| 00:37.57 | dondelelcaro | mikearthur: sure |
| 00:38.02 | mikearthur | how? |
| 00:38.04 | bbyever | dondelelcaro: if im including a patch, should i attach the patch to the email? |
| 00:38.14 | dondelelcaro | mikearthur: grep-aptavail -FDepends -sPackage php4-common; |
| 00:38.19 | dondelelcaro | bbyever: yes |
| 00:38.32 | bbyever | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 00:38.39 | dondelelcaro | bbyever: you can also tag the bug 'patch' so people know there's a patch. Thanks for contributing to debian! |
| 00:39.24 | bbyever | dondelelcaro: np |
| 00:40.59 | abrotman | do it more! |
| 00:42.22 | mikearthur | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 00:43.57 | mikearthur | if I'm pinning, do I use a=etch or a=stable? |
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| 00:44.49 | Dummies_freelanc | i use lenny |
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| 00:45.36 | abrotman | mikearthur: why are you doing this? |
| 00:45.44 | mikearthur | basically |
| 00:45.44 | abrotman | mikearthur: what are you installing that keeps installing php4 ? |
| 00:45.50 | mikearthur | roundcube |
| 00:45.56 | abrotman | in etch? |
| 00:46.00 | abrotman | !depends roundcube etch |
| 00:46.04 | mikearthur | in etch |
| 00:46.05 | mikearthur | from lenny |
| 00:46.09 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 00:46.14 | mikearthur | basically |
| 00:46.18 | mikearthur | I'm running an etch system |
| 00:46.28 | mikearthur | I just want to have wordpress and roundcube from lenny |
| 00:46.47 | abrotman | !depends roundcube lenny |
| 00:46.53 | dpkg | roundcube: depends on roundcube-core, roundcube-sqlite | roundcube-db |
| 00:46.58 | abrotman | cute |
| 00:46.58 | mikearthur | but I'm not sure if my pinning is correct |
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| 00:47.40 | weiles | hi |
| 00:47.46 | weiles | i have an ibook here |
| 00:47.59 | weiles | with lenny installed |
| 00:48.05 | jelly-home | ... roundcube-core depends on php5. |
| 00:48.13 | abrotman | mikearthur: if i had to guess .. it's pulling the php-db from etch .. which pulls php4 IIRC |
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| 00:49.55 | dacs | i need help please my setup is like this now . Dsl modem ---> wireless linksys . debian box i connected wirelesslly(using this irssi). i would like to use the embanded ethernet card to connect another device |
| 00:50.08 | mikearthur | abrotman: what pins do I want to be using? |
| 00:50.19 | weiles | my problem is that if i close the lid and resume afterwards the wireless connection is lost (b43) and 2.6.24-1 |
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| 00:50.41 | abrotman | mikearthur: i have no idea about wordpress .. i just installed roundcube from source |
| 00:50.49 | abrotman | on etch |
| 00:51.00 | weiles | i have another laptop with iwl3945 which reastablishes the connection after suspending |
| 00:51.04 | weiles | any ideas? |
| 00:51.19 | weiles | i use wpa supplicant integrated in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 00:53.02 | weiles | this is critical to me, since i need wlan for the nfs4 /home share to restore the session |
| 00:53.33 | weiles | i have not found a way to even restore the connection manually after a resume, yet. |
| 00:53.47 | mikearthur | Right. I want to use etch for all my packages EXCEPT the ones I manually specify from lenny. What pins do I need to sort this? |
| 00:53.59 | abrotman | or completely ignore what i said |
| 00:55.06 | Tramp | dacs: assign a different network to the ethernet, let the debian box route. Bridging would be another option, but imho. more complicated and it may not work with your wireless card |
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| 00:57.26 | dutchfish | hi, i just solved a problem with subclipse within eclipse. Its working now. However got still problems with kaffe-threads eating up all the mem resources on my machine. How can i trace this? |
| 00:57.36 | mikearthur | abrotman: was that to me? |
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| 00:58.35 | Tramp | weiles: well, I sometimes have to eject/reinject my wireless card after a resume. It's an atheros though. |
| 00:58.59 | Tramp | may not be an option if it not a pcmcia card ... |
| 00:59.13 | weiles | its internal |
| 00:59.35 | weiles | maybe i have to pre up the interface, i have read sth. about this somewhere |
| 00:59.40 | weiles | i guess bugs.debian.org |
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| 01:02.49 | cellofellow | Is there such a thing as compiling all packages in Debian, like in Gentoo? Or is it normally a specific package that gets to be compiled? |
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| 01:03.10 | mikearthur | cellofellow: apt-build iirc will do something similar |
| 01:03.30 | cellofellow | I mean has anyone tried to make an all-source version of Debian, without binaries? |
| 01:04.15 | abrotman | !tell cellofellow about apt-build |
| 01:04.41 | cellofellow | ok |
| 01:04.55 | cellofellow | doesn't seem really useful, but I am using apt-get source |
| 01:05.01 | cellofellow | for my kernel |
| 01:05.07 | Gnurdux | oh for the kernel |
| 01:05.12 | Gnurdux | debian has special stuff |
| 01:05.16 | Gnurdux | i think its called debkernel |
| 01:05.32 | Gnurdux | builds a .deb package from kernel source with your custom configuration |
| 01:05.34 | mikearthur | make-kpkg |
| 01:05.45 | Gnurdux | ah yeah |
| 01:05.51 | cellofellow | All I had to do was enable a couple of things in the hostap driver that happened to be disabled in the source |
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| 01:06.08 | Gnurdux | isnt that just a module? |
| 01:06.11 | cellofellow | So, now that this is well into its compiling phase, do I have to do something different? |
| 01:06.25 | Gnurdux | no it should work fine |
| 01:06.27 | cellofellow | Gnurdux: yeah, but it's in the kernel package, not a separate one. |
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| 01:07.43 | cellofellow | so, what I am doing is correct? All I want to do is be able to flash my Prism2.5 with new firmware so WPA works. |
| 01:08.53 | mikearthur | uh |
| 01:09.00 | mikearthur | for new firmware you don't need to change the kernel |
| 01:09.25 | abrotman | !kp |
| 01:09.26 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
| 01:09.38 | cellofellow | mikearthur: but the ability to flash the card wasn't enabled in the hostap driver. |
| 01:09.52 | mikearthur | ok |
| 01:09.57 | cellofellow | mikearthur: which is in linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 01:10.02 | cellofellow | ok |
| 01:12.05 | dutchfish | cellofellow, i have the same issue (cant do WPA) is there a flash update? |
| 01:12.20 | cellofellow | dutchfish: http://linux.junsun.net/intersil-prism/ |
| 01:12.37 | cellofellow | dutchfish: been following this tutorial, he has some firmware and links to it and how to update it. |
| 01:12.49 | dutchfish | cellofellow, thank you very much! |
| 01:12.52 | cellofellow | here's my current situation: http://paste.debian.net/1013/ |
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| 01:13.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | cellofellow: if all that's just in a kernel module you don't need to compile the kernel at all, though |
| 01:13.20 | cellofellow | that link isn't what I'm trying to fix NOW, but ultimately. |
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| 01:13.34 | dutchfish | cellofellow, yes, have simular results |
| 01:13.42 | cellofellow | CutMeOwnThroat: so, what should I be doing? can I just compile the module even though it's in the kernel package? |
| 01:13.55 | dutchfish | cellofellow, but i was aible to use 64bit 128bit WEP encruption |
| 01:14.27 | cellofellow | dutchfish: yeah, I've got this card to work with that with orinoco, but I need WPA now. |
| 01:14.41 | abrotman | hrm .. i just had an epiphany window .. with no "File" menu .. and i couldn't open more tabs |
| 01:14.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | cellofellow: as far as I know, module-assistant should be able to do that |
| 01:15.04 | cellofellow | !module-assistant |
| 01:15.04 | dpkg | rumour has it, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 01:15.18 | cellofellow | not sure |
| 01:15.59 | cellofellow | how long should it take to build the kernel on a 450Mhz PIII? |
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| 01:16.13 | icesword | hehe |
| 01:16.40 | jelly-home | cellofellow: depends on how well you clean the configuration up. |
| 01:16.40 | abrotman | cellofellow: depends on what you put in it |
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| 01:17.11 | cellofellow | all I did was enable flashing a Prism2 wireless chip. |
| 01:17.29 | cellofellow | I think I took the wrong path, now. Let's look in to this module-assistant thing |
| 01:17.43 | abrotman | cellofellow: i'd guess 30 minutes |
| 01:17.47 | jelly-home | disabling all the unnecessary crap is important as well if you want to minimize the build time |
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| 01:18.09 | Gnurdux | cellofellow, no your compiling all the default stuff too right? |
| 01:18.16 | cellofellow | yes |
| 01:18.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | what module is it for your card? |
| 01:18.43 | cellofellow | well, what should I have disabled? |
| 01:18.44 | cellofellow | hostap |
| 01:18.51 | cellofellow | hostap_pci in particular |
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| 01:19.04 | cellofellow | hostap_config.h is the file I needed to mess with. |
| 01:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hostap-source (source package not installed): |
| 01:19.31 | cellofellow | there's a hostap-source package? |
| 01:19.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | (m-a == module-assistant) |
| 01:19.37 | cellofellow | yeah... |
| 01:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be fine |
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| 01:20.19 | cellofellow | ok, can I hit ^c to stop this kernel compilation maneuver? |
| 01:20.38 | cellofellow | or should I just let it keep on doing its thing? |
| 01:21.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | cellofellow: I judge you to be able to hit ctrl-C - it only takes 2 fingers and not so much coordination |
| 01:21.35 | cellofellow | it won't mess anything up, I mean? |
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| 01:22.36 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: thumb and finger? |
| 01:22.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | boing |
| 01:22.40 | cellofellow | CutMeOwnThroat: um, there's no hostap-source in the Etch repos. |
| 01:22.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: I mostly really only use one finger... and the hand behind the small finger |
| 01:22.41 | Gnurdux | wheres everyone else? |
| 01:22.41 | cellofellow | only hostap-utils and hostapd |
| 01:22.41 | abrotman | hand behind the small finger? |
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| 01:22.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno what that part's called in English |
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| 01:23.20 | cellofellow | where is hostap-source, then? |
| 01:23.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | but yes... I leave the fingers in 10-finger system and press with the hand |
| 01:23.22 | icesword | hand behind small finger, how many fingers do you have |
| 01:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... lemme count |
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| 01:27.12 | WormFood | Good morning icesword, how are you doing? |
| 01:27.13 | dpkg | WormFood: mas o menos |
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| 01:27.50 | icesword | dpkg, |
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| 01:28.28 | icesword | WormFood, yearh, nice, but how are you? how is your (first) class? |
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| 01:28.36 | WormFood | my first class was weeks ago |
| 01:28.39 | bbyever | dondelecaro: oh never mind, i just replied with the correct patch. |
| 01:28.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | cellofellow: seems there WAS such a package long ago: http://packages.debian.org/hostap-source |
| 01:28.42 | icesword | ohhhhh |
| 01:28.42 | WormFood | classes are good |
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| 01:29.03 | icesword | WormFood, hmm, how old are your students mostly |
| 01:29.07 | bbyever | dondelecaro: sorry for my stupidness with the bts, it the first time i use it :) |
| 01:29.27 | cellofellow | hmmm |
| 01:29.39 | WormFood | I'd guess 20s and 30s |
| 01:30.06 | icesword | WormFood, hmm, and they say chinlish, lol |
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| 01:30.21 | WormFood | it is funny when they ask how old I am....they usually guess high 20s or low 30s....I'll be 40 later this year |
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| 01:30.23 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:30.23 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 01:30.35 | icesword | hehehe |
| 01:30.46 | icesword | WormFood, pm |
| 01:30.50 | WormFood | yeah |
| 01:30.51 | Lagbolt | hmmm |
| 01:31.21 | cellofellow | looks like I'll let LInux keep compiling. |
| 01:31.52 | dacs | eth0 192.168.1.100 how can i change eth1 to a diffrenet Network and have eth0 route to eth1 please |
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| 01:32.38 | cellofellow | out of curiosity, anybody here use a Debian but not Linux? Debian/FreeBSD maybe? |
| 01:32.43 | WormFood | I wished to hell apt-get would save 1/2 the package it downloaded, and continue downloading it.....especially on slow internet connections (for some reason my internet is incredibly slow here) |
| 01:32.50 | cellofellow | Debian/OpenSolaris is supposed to be pretty good |
| 01:32.51 | abrotman | cellofellow: there are people .. and they also have a channel |
| 01:32.56 | abrotman | WormFood: it does |
| 01:33.03 | cellofellow | WormFood: it does |
| 01:33.09 | cellofellow | lol |
| 01:33.21 | WormFood | not if I ctrl-c it |
| 01:33.42 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 01:33.44 | cellofellow | WormFood: look in /var/cache/apt/archives/partial |
| 01:33.45 | WormFood | if I have to stop it for some reason, and continue it later, it starts downloading that last package from 0 |
| 01:34.07 | WormFood | it does not, based on what I SEE |
| 01:34.14 | abrotman | it does |
| 01:34.25 | icesword | WormFood, ftp.us.debian.org is fast, i use it |
| 01:34.26 | cellofellow | LOOK and SEE in that aforementioned directory. |
| 01:34.34 | WormFood | I could be wrong.....but from what I see, it does not act that way.....maybe my internet is just painfully slow |
| 01:34.41 | cellofellow | I use mirrors.xmission.com, a local mirror. |
| 01:34.49 | WormFood | icesword, it is fast for me in Guangzhou, but in Shenzhen it is super slow |
| 01:34.49 | icesword | it is fast in day time |
| 01:34.57 | WormFood | right now it is fast |
| 01:35.03 | WormFood | in the evening is it painfully slow |
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| 01:35.23 | icesword | yes, in evening it is slow, i noticed this too |
| 01:35.33 | WormFood | now it is downloading at about 9k/s, before it was downloading at about 1-2k/s |
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| 01:35.55 | WormFood | and, like I said, my internet in Guangzhou is pretty damn fast |
| 01:36.08 | cellofellow | strangely my internet connection, though slow, doesn't slow down at peek periods. It's always a constant ~27Kbps. |
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| 01:37.08 | Nyle | Coxx Communications in Oklahoma City, provided in my apartment complex a full 10Mbps/1.5Mbps line, 24/7, stable at that speed |
| 01:37.20 | Nyle | regardless of tiem of day |
| 01:37.22 | WormFood | mine seems to slow down at different times of the day |
| 01:37.26 | Nyle | hardly any outages either |
| 01:37.30 | WormFood | anyways, I need to bolt and get ready for work |
| 01:37.36 | icesword | mine is 200k/s in day time |
| 01:37.39 | Nyle | that was my best ISP experience ever |
| 01:37.51 | Nyle | I had a full 1.0+MB/s speed |
| 01:38.02 | cellofellow | My city is putting in residential fiber-optics with possible top speed of 100Mbps up/down. Xmission is offering 50Mbps at $55/mo. |
| 01:38.04 | Nyle | uploaded at around 120-150kb/s |
| 01:38.14 | cellofellow | It won't be finished installing till summer, though. |
| 01:38.20 | nevyn | looks at his 24Mb connection.. |
| 01:38.24 | Nyle | This verizon fios |
| 01:38.29 | Nyle | I've heard of but never owned |
| 01:38.34 | WormFood | one file I tried to download took me 3 hours....as a test, i downloaded the same file to a different computer in about 15 seconds |
| 01:38.45 | Nyle | I thought I used it off someone's wifi, but not, it was just verizon dsl |
| 01:38.57 | Nyle | verizon promises a fiberoptic line to your house |
| 01:39.00 | Nyle | in thier tv commercials |
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| 01:39.31 | Nyle | but inside the house, there is just regular old cat6 |
| 01:39.44 | cellofellow | So? |
| 01:39.47 | nevyn | so? |
| 01:39.53 | Nyle | so nothing |
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| 01:39.59 | Nyle | just noticing something |
| 01:40.24 | nevyn | Nyle: but the cat6 is attached to fiber at the network boundary |
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| 01:40.52 | cellofellow | This fiber optic stuff they say has a theoretical speed of Gigabit speeds, but they're only allotting 100Mbps for Internet and none of the ISPs offer that. |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | dacs: ask in the cahnnel |
| 01:41.19 | dacs | eth0 192.168.1.100 how can i change eth1 to a diffrenet Network and have eth0 route to eth1 please |
| 01:41.28 | abrotman | that's what you msged me for ? |
| 01:41.45 | Nyle | scaddacs |
| 01:41.47 | abrotman | dacs: read the networking howto at tldp.org and /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 01:42.17 | Nyle | cellofellow, may I msg you? |
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| 01:42.26 | cellofellow | Nyle: about? |
| 01:42.44 | Nyle | if I wanted the public to know, I wouldn't have asked to msg... |
| 01:42.51 | cellofellow | k... |
| 01:43.05 | yigal | I'm don't use GNOME or KDE and would like to change the default xfont - if there is one - what tool(s) should I use to do so? |
| 01:45.28 | abrotman | yigal: depends on the application i'd imagine |
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| 01:47.25 | yigal | abrotman: I figured there would be no universal governor, should I alter /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc and change the dpi 100 to dpi 80 or something like without adverse side effects or is there a better way? |
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| 01:48.10 | cellofellow | yigal: I think GTK and QT (and other toolkits like Tk or whatever) set their own default fonts. |
| 01:48.10 | yigal | abrotman: I am happy with my terminal set up, but firefox, and gimp |
| 01:48.27 | abrotman | those are gtk applications |
| 01:48.33 | yigal | abrotman: right |
| 01:48.55 | yigal | I thought there might be a universal way of say use 10pt, or some dpi etc. |
| 01:49.02 | yigal | of some type of family |
| 01:49.14 | abrotman | gtkfontsel or gtk-theme-switch or gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 01:49.43 | yigal | abrotman: so I guess I will be installing more stuff |
| 01:49.55 | abrotman | yigal: they might already be installed |
| 01:50.03 | yigal | no they aren't |
| 01:50.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:50.33 | yigal | abrotman: not that I'm unwilling to install them I just want to keep the bloat at a minimum |
| 01:50.48 | abrotman | but you installed iceweasel ? |
| 01:50.50 | abrotman | and gimp? |
| 01:51.00 | yigal | abrotman: I use X |
| 01:51.22 | yigal | abrotman: for research, physics, and have a digital camera |
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| 01:51.25 | abrotman | and gimp and iceweasel :) |
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| 01:51.36 | asg | kicks abrotman in the leg |
| 01:51.42 | abrotman | that's my good leg! |
| 01:51.47 | abrotman | !cookie asg |
| 01:51.49 | dpkg | Hey abrotman, qotd161 is * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
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| 01:51.55 | abrotman | dpkg: nice one! |
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| 01:52.43 | yigal | abrotman: well let's see how much apt want for one of these gtk font changers |
| 01:53.04 | dacs | abrotman: what am i looking for |
| 01:53.23 | dacs | so i can search the right doc |
| 01:53.30 | yigal | abrotman: 100k nearly |
| 01:53.33 | abrotman | dacs: the networking howto |
| 01:53.41 | abrotman | yigal: oh yeah .. and gimp takes like 5MB |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | !info gimp etch |
| 01:53.46 | dpkg | gimp: (The GNU Image Manipulation Program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.2.13-1etch4 (etch), Packaged size: 2997 kB, Installed size: 7912 kB |
| 01:53.51 | abrotman | EIGHT! |
| 01:54.08 | yigal | abrotman: but it's so cool, what other program rivals it? |
| 01:54.19 | dacs | abrotman: but its asking if i want to make my box as a router or bridge etc |
| 01:54.19 | abrotman | no idea .. i don't do much graphics work |
| 01:54.33 | icesword | yigal, qcad, inkscape |
| 01:54.40 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:54.40 | snogglethorpe | !info gimp sid |
| 01:54.44 | dpkg | gimp: (The GNU Image Manipulation Program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.4.5-1+b1 (sid), Packaged size: 3863 kB, Installed size: 10512 kB |
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| 01:54.56 | abrotman | inkscape is vector .. gimp is raster |
| 01:55.02 | abrotman | qcad is .. CAD |
| 01:55.16 | yigal | inkscape is svg I thought? |
| 01:56.08 | abrotman | that is vector |
| 01:56.15 | abrotman | !svg |
| 01:56.15 | dpkg | it has been said that svg is an acronym for Scalable Vector Graphics, an open vector graphics format. Can be rendered by ksvg and Firefox 1.5 (only partial support). More info at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ or #svg |
| 01:56.22 | yigal | bloat is everything I don't think I should have to need, or want |
| 01:56.49 | abrotman | you can just try changing .gtkrc |
| 01:56.55 | nevyn | qcad is passable 2d cad. |
| 01:56.59 | dacs | abrotman: ? |
| 01:57.12 | abrotman | dacs: it depends what you are really trying to do |
| 01:57.13 | yigal | abrotman: yes, that sounds right |
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| 01:57.45 | abrotman | i'm not sure which man page discusses the format/syntax |
| 01:57.45 | dacs | abrotman: i am trying to use 2 nic, 1 is wireless and the other one is build in my mob |
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| 01:58.36 | dacs | abrotman: i am trying to assign a diffrenet network to my eth1 because i want to connect it to an ATA |
| 01:58.41 | abrotman | to do what with it ? |
| 01:58.44 | cunzhang | I install debian in my serveer,but infiniband netcard can't work. need I re-compile the kernel? |
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| 01:58.54 | abrotman | dacs: i think you just want to configure a route |
| 01:59.01 | dacs | ATA(analoge telephone Adaptor) |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | oh .. maybe it is a router |
| 01:59.18 | abrotman | i'd concentrate on the the ATA bit first |
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| 01:59.44 | dacs | abrotman: < abrotman> i'd concentrate on the the ATA bit first. What do you mean |
| 01:59.55 | abrotman | getting the ATA device to work first |
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| 02:00.17 | dacs | abrotman: thats the whole thing.YES that is what i am trying to do |
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| 02:00.32 | abrotman | dacs: does your ATA already work ? |
| 02:00.44 | dacs | abrotman: yes i have test it |
| 02:01.18 | dacs | abrotman: so it just a matter of getting that other eth1 to be configed right |
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| 02:02.12 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 02:02.12 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 02:03.16 | dacs | abrotman: can i use iptables? |
| 02:03.49 | abrotman | you might want to read the above |
| 02:03.58 | snogglethorpe | why on earth does it describe NAT as "internet connection sharing"? |
| 02:04.13 | dacs | abrotman: then lets stick to ipmasq :) |
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| 02:04.16 | snogglethorpe | might as well say "(idiot idea by greedy ISPs)" |
| 02:04.16 | abrotman | snogglethorpe: because that's what windows calls it .. and that's what some noobs call it |
| 02:04.33 | abrotman | snogglethorpe: in windows it's also know as ICS |
| 02:04.45 | abrotman | snogglethorpe: and we've have more than one person ask about how to turn on ICS |
| 02:04.47 | dacs | internet connection sharing |
| 02:04.55 | snogglethorpe | abrotman: leave it to windows... |
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| 02:05.45 | dacs | abrotman: so now how can i use ipmasq |
| 02:05.55 | abrotman | read above |
| 02:05.58 | Tramp | dacs: huh. why do you want to complicate things with ipmasq? |
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| 02:06.16 | Wyzard | "NAT" is a vague term too since IP masquerading is really just one particular type of NAT |
| 02:06.49 | abrotman | Tramp: it really sounds like that's what he's trying to do .. perhaps i'mwrong |
| 02:06.51 | Tramp | dacs: why don't you just give the eth interface an IP and activate ip forwarding, as I told you an hour ago? |
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| 02:07.15 | dacs | what do you guys suggest, obviously you guys know better than me i am gettting your help |
| 02:07.18 | Tramp | abrotman: well - maybe the parameters have changed in the meantime ..... |
| 02:07.46 | Tramp | dacs: you have a wireless IF with 192.168.foo.bar connected to your linksys router, right? |
| 02:08.18 | dacs | Tramp: right, but its not iw0 it is eth0 |
| 02:08.30 | Tramp | dacs: ok. and your ethernet ist eth1? |
| 02:08.45 | dacs | Tramp: yes |
| 02:10.00 | dacs | Tramp: ?! |
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| 02:10.19 | Tramp | so, from memory, "ifconfig eth1 192.168.200.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" |
| 02:10.32 | Tramp | then activate ip forwarding on the debian box |
| 02:10.45 | Tramp | !ip forwarding |
| 02:10.45 | dpkg | To enable IP forwarding (aka packet forwarding), edit /etc/sysctl.conf, uncomment the relevant packet forwarding lines for IPv4/IPv6, save/quit and execute `sysctl -p'. In sarge, edit /etc/network/options and change the value for ip_forward to "yes". |
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| 02:11.22 | lab34 | allo |
| 02:11.35 | lab34 | ca parle fracais ici |
| 02:11.48 | Wyzard | Wouldn't it be simpler to use ipmasq to do that stuff automatically? |
| 02:11.53 | Tramp | dacs: then configure the other device, whatever that is, with 192.168.200.2 and add 192.168.200.1 as its default-GW - however this is done on this "other device" |
| 02:12.06 | abrotman | Wyzard: depends how you define .. easy? |
| 02:12.23 | Tramp | Wyzard: hmm. I doubt it - but I don't know ipmasq well admittedly |
| 02:12.51 | Tramp | dacs: then read stuff like "man interfaces" on how to make such a setup permanent |
| 02:13.07 | Wyzard | easy as in "install a package that's designed specifically for this" rather than "run some manual shell commands that someone on IRC said to run" |
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| 02:13.49 | Tramp | dacs: yeah. run them only after you have read the corresponding manpages and understand, what you are doing |
| 02:14.45 | DrRighteous | Hey all, could really use some help... I have a large (5 terabyte) disk array under debian, fdisk sees the space, but a partition is only coming out to 8G.. http://www.pastebin.ca/989060 (output in fdisk). Anyone? |
| 02:15.23 | Tramp | but setting up an interface and enabling forwarding is as basic as it gets, imho - but you are free to experiment with ipmasq. Whatever you do, basic understanding of networking will be required. |
| 02:17.43 | cunzhang | hi,how can I make debian support infinband? anybody know it? |
| 02:18.41 | TwinX | DrRighteous; I remember that there were some settings when compiling the kernel for 2TB an more space. |
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| 02:19.20 | DrRighteous | TwinX: I'm using a 64 bit kernel, you'd think they would have had that flag set |
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| 02:19.31 | abrotman | cunzhang: i'd ask google |
| 02:19.37 | abrotman | !infiniband |
| 02:19.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, infiniband is a low-latency interconnect for cluster supercomputers. Rumours abound that it's far from efficient, requiring 2Gb of RAM on each client node just to store routing information on 511 other nodes. See Myrinet. |
| 02:19.39 | TwinX | DrRighteous; server kernel? |
| 02:19.43 | abrotman | cute |
| 02:20.05 | DrRighteous | twinX: Linux debian 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Nov 12 10:28:43 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 02:20.35 | TwinX | hmm, thats a standard kerne |
| 02:20.35 | cunzhang | abrotman: yes,I googled. But find nothing |
| 02:21.02 | DrRighteous | TwinX: versus? |
| 02:21.06 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=infiniband+linux+driver&btnG=Search |
| 02:21.14 | DrRighteous | Twinx: whats the package name for server kernels? |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 02:21.26 | abrotman | not in debian |
| 02:21.42 | DrRighteous | :( |
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| 02:22.03 | TwinX | yeah I can't find any |
| 02:22.08 | DrRighteous | but if fdisk is seeing the size, then the kernel must support it... |
| 02:22.26 | abrotman | DrRighteous: it' |
| 02:22.29 | abrotman | DrRighteous: it's not a bad thing |
| 02:22.31 | Wyzard | TwinX: The "standard" kernel is meant to be suitable for servers |
| 02:22.45 | Tramp | DrRighteous: imho your partition is not 8G but 800 - which does not answer your question though |
| 02:22.48 | abrotman | !tell K09 about root |
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| 02:23.15 | TwinX | Wyzard; I don't know whick kernel supports TB disks |
| 02:23.26 | abrotman | they all should |
| 02:23.30 | TwinX | hmm |
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| 02:23.39 | abrotman | except maybe -486 |
| 02:24.08 | Tramp | DrRighteous: but actually, it shows the partition you made - so what exactly did you do to make it? |
| 02:24.15 | Wyzard | TwinX: I'm using a 1.5TB RAID-5 array right now and the standard kernel has no problem with that |
| 02:24.31 | DrRighteous | also I have a sdf thats 960G, so 800G isnt a limit for sure. |
| 02:24.40 | abrotman | which actual commands did DrRighteous use |
| 02:24.44 | TwinX | abrotman; I remember some settings in the kernel about 2TB or more, but I didnt need those, so skipped them to fast I think |
| 02:25.15 | TwinX | Wyzard; 1.5 is not bad |
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| 02:25.23 | DrRighteous | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/989060 |
| 02:25.41 | abrotman | those aren't commands |
| 02:25.54 | Tramp | DrRighteous: what we see, is a ~800G partition YOU made - there is no indication of a problem in this paste. |
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| 02:26.49 | weiles | i have b43 here on an ibook |
| 02:26.53 | DrRighteous | Tramp: http://www.pastebin.ca/989073 |
| 02:27.02 | DrRighteous | Tramp: its a different output |
| 02:27.38 | TwinX | DrRighteous; does your bios show the right value? |
| 02:27.51 | weiles | the problem with the b43 driver, in contrast to iwl3945 e.g., is that it does not reconnect automatically on resume |
| 02:28.24 | abrotman | DrRighteous: you're not showing the *creation* of the partition |
| 02:28.30 | abrotman | or the filesystem .. or anything |
| 02:28.30 | DrRighteous | TwinX: yes, and so does fdisk at the top... |
| 02:28.34 | weiles | this means that my network stays configured after resuming (i use the wpa_supplicant integration in the networking scripts), but is not working anymore |
| 02:28.49 | TwinX | oopz my bad |
| 02:28.52 | weiles | no i have found out that a simple ifup eth2 reastablishes the connection |
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| 02:29.03 | weiles | how do i put that in a script after resume? |
| 02:29.07 | abrotman | weiles: you can probably edit the resume script to do that |
| 02:29.17 | weiles | which one? |
| 02:29.20 | DrRighteous | I will try to recreate it then |
| 02:29.25 | abrotman | one of the ones in /etc/acpi ? |
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| 02:29.59 | Tramp | ah - I'm out. You're asking the same stuff on ##linux and I'm not willing to follow both channels |
| 02:31.13 | enouf | Tramp: bingo |
| 02:31.18 | enouf | i loathe that crap |
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| 02:32.21 | TwinX | 4.31 AM, perfect time to crash. take care dudes |
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| 02:32.52 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:33.23 | woaken | mbmon failure during upgrade with the following msg: Preparing to replace mbmon 2.05-5 (using .../archives/mbmon_2.05-6_i386.deb) ... |
| 02:33.24 | woaken | Stopping motherboard sensor monitoring daemon: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: line 437: 6739 Terminated "${INITDPREFIX}${INITSCRIPTID}" "${saction}" "$@" |
| 02:33.24 | woaken | invoke-rc.d: initscript mbmon, action "stop" failed. |
| 02:33.24 | woaken | dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 143 |
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| 02:35.39 | weiles | abrotman, i don't have /etc/acpi |
| 02:35.55 | weiles | ah but /etc/apm |
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| 02:36.02 | cmdbbq | hello |
| 02:36.21 | woaken | mbmon failure during upgrade, with the following msg: Preparing to replace mbmon 2.05-5 (using .../archives/mbmon_2.05-6_i386.deb) ... |
| 02:36.21 | woaken | Stopping motherboard sensor monitoring daemon: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: line 437: 6739 Terminated "${INITDPREFIX}${INITSCRIPTID}" "${saction}" "$@" |
| 02:36.21 | woaken | invoke-rc.d: initscript mbmon, action "stop" failed. |
| 02:36.21 | woaken | dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 143 |
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| 02:36.32 | abrotman | jesus that's dumb |
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| 02:37.07 | cmdbbq | does anyone here know what kind of program i couls use to open a bin with MIME type application/octet-stream |
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| 02:37.27 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:37.27 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:38.15 | woaken | mbmon failure during upgrade, with the following msg: Preparing to replace mbmon 2.05-5 (using .../archives/mbmon_2.05-6_i386.deb) ... |
| 02:38.15 | woaken | Stopping motherboard sensor monitoring daemon: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: line 437: 6739 Terminated "${INITDPREFIX}${INITSCRIPTID}" "${saction}" "$@" |
| 02:38.15 | woaken | invoke-rc.d: initscript mbmon, action "stop" failed. |
| 02:38.15 | woaken | dpkg: warning - old pre-removal script returned error exit status 143 |
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| 02:38.43 | abrotman | woaken: STOP PASTING |
| 02:38.58 | woaken | what is the alternative? |
| 02:39.12 | abrotman | i told you before the last time you pasted |
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| 02:39.25 | woaken | wtf did you tell me? |
| 02:39.47 | rixplrer | haha woaken use pastebin.com and link it here |
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| 02:41.12 | woaken | rixplrer, i am using #flood. will that work? |
| 02:41.29 | abrotman | !tell woaken about bts |
| 02:42.26 | woaken | abrotman, i am looking for solution here, don't tell me to go look somewhere else. |
| 02:42.54 | abrotman | woaken: go look in the BTS first .. you're running testing/unstable .. that should *always* be your first stop |
| 02:43.15 | weiles | abrotman, thx it works |
| 02:43.20 | weiles | this is really great |
| 02:43.23 | weiles | i love debian |
| 02:44.06 | weiles | no i hope i can trace back the nfs4 kernel backtraces, which occur from time to time |
| 02:44.08 | woaken | abrotman, is it a bug that i should report? |
| 02:44.16 | abrotman | you should look for a similar bug |
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| 02:45.35 | abrotman | it did it again |
| 02:45.38 | woaken | abrotman, how to identify the similarity? |
| 02:45.57 | abrotman | read them? |
| 02:46.03 | rixplrer | woaken, #flood is not the best option, use pastebin instead and give us the link, theres a lot of people here willing to help, but they wont move to #flood just for you |
| 02:46.19 | abrotman | it doesn't matter .. his bug has already been reported |
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| 02:47.15 | woaken | rixplrer, i was following the advice of Chanserv. It should remove that shit if what you say is correct. |
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| 02:49.36 | woaken | rixplrer, here is the link. http://pastebin.com/d5e2f4e29. |
| 02:50.19 | weiles | woaken, you come here and you need help... |
| 02:50.35 | abrotman | woaken: the problem you need help with is already in the BTS |
| 02:51.04 | woaken | abrotman, why can't you tell me what he bts says? |
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| 02:51.12 | abrotman | why can't you look yourself? |
| 02:51.20 | abrotman | there are THREE bugs in there .. |
| 02:51.39 | woaken | abrotman, it's a waste of bandwidth. why are you in the chatroom then? |
| 02:51.55 | maxamillion | abrotman: i'm just coming in but i assume its because the person you are addressing is lazy |
| 02:52.04 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 02:52.13 | cizzi | whats a compelte stats package name that can be displayed on the web.. tracking stuff like cpu,ram,hdd usage over long periods of time? apt-cache search stats didnt show what im looking for |
| 02:52.17 | woaken | maxamillion, trying to be efficient, dummy. |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | lazy |
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| 02:52.47 | maxamillion | abrotman: its like the people who ask "what's that parameter i pass the 'rm' command to get rid of everything in a directory including subdirectories?" |
| 02:52.55 | woaken | if a chat channel is around only to refer to other places, then it should be closed. |
| 02:53.03 | abrotman | woaken: then leave |
| 02:53.07 | woaken | then close. |
| 02:53.24 | maxamillion | abrotman: and in that moment they need to realize that they ended up wasting more time asking the question then it would have taken them to reference the man page |
| 02:53.30 | weiles | woaken, its up to you to leave |
| 02:53.33 | abrotman | maxamillion: the bts .. but yes |
| 02:53.34 | weiles | woaken, bye bye |
| 02:53.43 | woaken | abrotman maxmillion, and GFY. |
| 02:53.43 | rixplrer | woaken stfu and go look in the fu... bts, abrotman already told you the bug its already documented there just look for it, damn |
| 02:53.50 | venger | lol |
| 02:54.16 | woaken | rixplrer, u GFY too. |
| 02:54.25 | abrotman | woaken: stop |
| 02:54.33 | maxamillion | woaken: its ok, you can type "fuck" here ... we're grown ups we can handle it |
| 02:54.54 | woaken | i kickban you all. bye. |
| 02:55.07 | maxamillion | woaken: but in retrospect, there's no reason to tell people to fuck themselves when you are being helped |
| 02:55.12 | maxamillion | awww too late |
| 02:55.21 | abrotman | !dbugs 470771 |
| 02:55.24 | dpkg | DONE:#470771:N[mbmon] initscript error on shutdown - prevents package removal; Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:00:01 UTC |
| 02:55.40 | Tramp | was all this sad or funny? |
| 02:55.45 | venger | funny |
| 02:56.11 | abrotman | Tramp: there is a guy from .sg .. not sure if that was him, that comes in here, asks questions, refuses to do any research and then runs around saying GFY when you won't read the BTS for him |
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| 02:56.29 | abrotman | but that guy had the same MO |
| 02:56.40 | venger | abrotman, what would be the point in that? |
| 02:56.51 | venger | just to get an argument going? |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | he left .. good enough for me |
| 02:57.21 | cizzi | !dpkg stats |
| 02:57.32 | abrotman | !stats |
| 02:57.33 | dpkg | Since Thu Apr 17 11:05:03 2008, there have been 7 modifications, 126 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 48 commands. I have been awake for 15h 52m 29s this session, and currently reference 38026 factoids. I'm using about 15800 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 61.65/3.66 child 0/0 |
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| 02:58.56 | SerajewelKS | anyone happen to have some decently fast DNS servers on hand? my college one is lagging like hell. |
| 02:59.10 | abrotman | don't they have two? |
| 02:59.23 | Tapout | setup a local resolver, easy |
| 02:59.35 | abrotman | assuming their firewall allows that |
| 02:59.38 | SerajewelKS | Tapout: sure, but it still needs an upstream |
| 02:59.41 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it does |
| 02:59.49 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: you don't, actually |
| 02:59.53 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you don't need upstream |
| 02:59.55 | maxamillion | SerajewelKS: 4.2.2.2 |
| 02:59.56 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 03:00.02 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: you can lookup directly with the root servers |
| 03:00.05 | maxamillion | SerajewelKS: i think that's stanford's or something |
| 03:00.08 | Tapout | SerajewelKS, you're telling me the problem with your college's DNS is that your bandwidth is tapped out? What a joke.. where do you go .. ITT Tech ? |
| 03:00.15 | SerajewelKS | maxamillion: holy shit that one is fast |
| 03:00.22 | maxamillion | SerajewelKS: :D |
| 03:00.26 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: yes i know, the root servers are my upstream then, no? |
| 03:00.27 | abrotman | Tapout: the dns server is loaded i think is what he's saying |
| 03:00.38 | maxamillion | SerajewelKS: i use it when in doubt mainly because it never goes down and its easy to remember the ip |
| 03:00.40 | Tapout | abrotman, ya i know.. but his response to me suggested the opposite :) |
| 03:00.40 | SerajewelKS | Tapout: the problem is the DNS servers are laggy. everything else is fine. |
| 03:00.56 | SerajewelKS | Tapout: well, debatably fine |
| 03:01.00 | dondelelcaro | maxamillion: that's actually somewhere level3's network |
| 03:01.03 | Tapout | 2.2.2.4.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net |
| 03:01.06 | SerajewelKS | Tapout: as in the network people do but i don't |
| 03:01.30 | maxamillion | dondelelcaro: oh, ok ... i thought it was an edu for some reason |
| 03:01.50 | dondelelcaro | yeah, looks like it's in LA somewhere; I have 2.8ms ping times to it |
| 03:02.18 | extor | If I want to add 8 gig RAM support to my debian "testing" kernel, do I recompile it? I also need to add realtek 2500 driver support. Can that be added as a module? |
| 03:02.41 | maxamillion | extor: are you running 32 or 64-bit? |
| 03:02.45 | abrotman | extor: i386 or amd64? |
| 03:03.06 | extor | uhmm |
| 03:03.08 | extor | not sure |
| 03:03.15 | abrotman | extor: and apt-cache search 2500 |
| 03:03.17 | extor | I started out 32 bit |
| 03:03.26 | extor | how do I check the current kernel? |
| 03:03.27 | maxamillion | extor: do '/exec -o uname -a' in your irc window |
| 03:03.28 | abrotman | extor: apt-cache search kernel bigmem |
| 03:03.52 | extor | Linux lenny32 2.6.22-3-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 20:20:49 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 03:04.01 | SerajewelKS | whoa what the fuck |
| 03:04.04 | abrotman | eh .. wait .. |
| 03:04.05 | maxamillion | SerajewelKS: ? |
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| 03:04.13 | abrotman | the 64bit kernel would already support 8GB+ |
| 03:04.16 | SerajewelKS | apparently the lag is not the upstream servers, it's dnsmasq |
| 03:04.22 | extor | rt2500-source - source for rt2500 wireless network driver <--- I think that is it |
| 03:04.24 | abrotman | blames SerajewelKS |
| 03:04.29 | extor | yeah so I got the 32 bit kernel |
| 03:04.35 | SerajewelKS | if i dig on my router box it's really fast. if i dig on my network (through dnsmasq) it's slow as shit. |
| 03:04.35 | maxamillion | extor: uhmmm... you need to dist-upgrade bad, lenny has been at 2.6.24 for over a month |
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| 03:04.37 | extor | I need dual core support also |
| 03:04.39 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: that's likely |
| 03:04.43 | maxamillion | extor: that's fine |
| 03:04.46 | abrotman | extor: that's already there |
| 03:04.52 | abrotman | linux-image-2.6-686-bigmem |
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| 03:04.59 | extor | max maybe I should reformat and reinstall---I think I might be rooted(just a suspicion) |
| 03:05.21 | maxamillion | extor: oh, well if its rooted then yeah .... low level format and re-install |
| 03:05.33 | stew | \*/ |
| 03:05.36 | stew | is a DD |
| 03:05.46 | maxamillion | stew: congrats! |
| 03:05.46 | abrotman | yay stew! |
| 03:05.47 | SerajewelKS | ok maybe it's not dnsmasq |
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| 03:05.53 | extor | its hard to LL format when you got 600 gigs of pr0n and appz and isoz to say goodbye to. It's not easy |
| 03:06.02 | SerajewelKS | a tcpdump on the router shows the packet coming in at the same time the response goes back, it's just really late |
| 03:06.10 | maxamillion | extor: backup to an external? |
| 03:06.14 | abrotman | stew: now if you could finish tritium, that'd be grand :) |
| 03:06.22 | stew | abrotman: its been finished for a while |
| 03:06.25 | extor | yeah maybe |
| 03:06.34 | abrotman | i thought it was still like 0.1 or something ? |
| 03:06.39 | extor | I keep getting SMART errors too this whole system is just plain fucked |
| 03:06.40 | stew | abrotman: i haven't found a bug in it for a while. but it only does exactly what i need it to |
| 03:06.47 | abrotman | stew: ah .. feature complete :) |
| 03:06.53 | stew | abrotman: i haven't done a billion features that rachel is asking for |
| 03:07.09 | abrotman | stew: needy users .. next she'll want mlb.tv to work all the time or something |
| 03:07.14 | netdaemon | anyone familiar with consolekit? |
| 03:07.32 | netdaemon | i'd like to know a bit more about it but the homepage doesn't give me the info i want =\ |
| 03:07.37 | stew | abrotman: the thing that rachel wants next is requiring me to dump the window manager library that made it so easy to implement in the first place |
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| 03:07.50 | extor | so once I install the source package for 2500...that is not really the module right? I need to recompile my kernel? Or..can I add it as an insertable module? the RT2500 that is... |
| 03:07.56 | abrotman | stew: tell her to make her own darn it! |
| 03:07.59 | maxamillion | stew: google-ing for tritium apparently leads me to your blog |
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| 03:08.07 | maxamillion | :P |
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| 03:08.11 | abrotman | stew: you could make rachium ? |
| 03:08.15 | SerajewelKS | i think my dns config on this box is fucked up |
| 03:08.52 | stew | abrotman: so could she |
| 03:09.02 | abrotman | hehe .. i suppose |
| 03:09.24 | abrotman | stew: you going to get the two-wheeler out tomorrow? |
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| 03:09.35 | SerajewelKS | ok what could cause dns to be lagging on this box? i'm using dig, so i assume that cuts the name-resolution process out (like avahi, etc) |
| 03:10.30 | pickcoder | SerajewelKS: are there multiple default routes present? |
| 03:11.09 | abrotman | stew: i think they forgot to make my DD account :( |
| 03:11.40 | SerajewelKS | oh god |
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| 03:11.40 | SerajewelKS | pickcoder: no, but route -n did reveal the problem |
| 03:11.43 | SerajewelKS | i'm still connected to my workplace VPN, so it's trying their servers first |
| 03:11.45 | SerajewelKS | dammit |
| 03:11.50 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:11.51 | Sebboh | Question: I'm setting up a mail server that will forward some mail to the real internet. As part of a trouble shooting step for that, I have been advised to execute this command: "openssl s_client -connect smtp.gmail.com:587 -starttls smtp" and that when I get that to work, go onto the next step. Well, I'm stuck. I get Verify return code: 21 (unable to verify the first certificate). Now what? |
| 03:12.01 | SerajewelKS | i was done with it fucking LAST NIGHT... jeez |
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| 03:12.36 | abrotman | night folks |
| 03:12.36 | pickcoder | gmail is the root of all evil |
| 03:12.45 | pickcoder | abrotman: hey.. bye |
| 03:13.00 | SerajewelKS | i can be a tool sometimes... |
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| 03:14.10 | pickcoder | Sebboh: what MTA are you setting up |
| 03:14.18 | Sebboh | I've installed the ca-certificates package. |
| 03:15.14 | Sebboh | pickcoder, postfix, although, the author of the postfix tutorial was very careful to point out that troubleshooting openssl first is the way to go.. |
| 03:15.15 | maxamillion | pickcoder: how is gmail the root of all evil? |
| 03:16.09 | Sebboh | I use Google Apps, actually, but, anyway.. |
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| 03:17.53 | maxamillion | i don't so much use google apps, but i like gmail ... just wondering what common complaints with it might be, i enjoy points of view :) |
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| 03:18.21 | pickcoder | other than the fact that you have to bend over backwards to have it accept mail.. not much of a problem here.. |
| 03:18.42 | pickcoder | hotmail is worse.. they just dump your mail blindly to waste bins |
| 03:18.48 | pickcoder | no errors or anything |
| 03:18.59 | maxamillion | lol |
| 03:19.39 | pickcoder | real mail servers are hosted from real machines with assigned IPs.. <G> |
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| 03:19.50 | pickcoder | but that's for another channel... |
| 03:19.52 | maxamillion | pickcoder: lol |
| 03:19.57 | maxamillion | fair enough |
| 03:21.21 | snogglethorpe | i've no idea why anybody uses hotmail, it seems to be the worst of every world |
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| 03:22.22 | maxamillion | snogglethorpe: it is, and i have no clue why people use it |
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| 03:22.39 | snogglethorpe | maxamillion: on the other hand, people are stupid |
| 03:22.46 | maxamillion | also true |
| 03:22.50 | maxamillion | unfortunately true |
| 03:22.59 | pickcoder | avoids the temptation to discuss SPF and the problem mega-mail servers cause |
| 03:23.14 | pickcoder | people are lazy and ignorant |
| 03:23.25 | pickcoder | stupidity is a trait that is learned |
| 03:23.27 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 03:24.18 | pickcoder | regardless.. I've got a few more Etch servers consuming fossil fuels now |
| 03:24.20 | dazoe | how can i tell apt to purge all removed package... |
| 03:24.54 | Sebboh | I dunno if apt can do that, dazoe, but I think that dpkg can? |
| 03:25.12 | dazoe | Sebboh: ok how do i do it with dpkg? |
| 03:25.20 | Sebboh | Heck if I know. |
| 03:25.29 | dazoe | lol |
| 03:26.03 | Sebboh | man dpkg then type /purge to search for 'purge'.. ? |
| 03:26.24 | dazoe | yeah |
| 03:26.41 | maxamillion | stew: wholy crap .... tritium is written in python! :D ... /me installs |
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| 03:27.08 | dazoe | what is tritium? |
| 03:27.09 | maxamillion | awww its not in etch |
| 03:27.19 | maxamillion | dazoe: http://sourceforge.net/projects/tritium |
| 03:27.22 | stew | maxamillion: it wasn't conceived until after etch |
| 03:27.39 | pickcoder | YAWM |
| 03:27.39 | maxamillion | stew: ah, well horray for rapid development |
| 03:27.52 | pickcoder | variety is nice |
| 03:28.08 | stew | maxamillion: if you are interested i highly recommend starting from git head, i don't remember how close the current git head is to the current tarball / .deb from sf.net |
| 03:29.51 | maxamillion | stew: i will do that, thanks for the info |
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| 03:33.49 | ginoman | .... I'm having trouble with unmet dependencies in apt-get which has fubar'ed swiftfox and synaptic... and it keeps complaining that mono has unmet dependencies |
| 03:34.01 | ginoman | not that I intended to install mono |
| 03:34.07 | mbuf | if i would like to merge two packages into a single application; do i need to merge the debian/rules; or can we still keep them as separate folders in the code base? |
| 03:34.08 | ginoman | but appearantly it somehow got installed |
| 03:34.18 | pickcoder | ginoman: aptitude is a bit smarter on Etch |
| 03:34.34 | ginoman | I'm on testing :( |
| 03:34.49 | stew | mbuf: there can only be one debian/rules per source package |
| 03:35.10 | stew | ginoman: have you tried just removing it? |
| 03:35.14 | ginoman | ya, I let my friend play around with my computer, well he decided to install drivers and crap and set me on unstable stuff |
| 03:35.16 | maxamillion | ginoman: i'm sorry, but i have to ask ... why on earth did you install swiftfox? that is probably the source of your problem, i've heard nothing but troubles from it |
| 03:35.19 | ginoman | I tried purging it but it won't go away |
| 03:35.32 | ginoman | my friend installed it on my system |
| 03:35.36 | maxamillion | awesome |
| 03:35.46 | maxamillion | ginoman: slap him |
| 03:35.52 | akio | locate |
| 03:35.57 | ginoman | then again, he uses sid for his daily tasks |
| 03:36.03 | akio | it should turn up the files |
| 03:36.06 | pickcoder | maxamillion: I don't think that will help dpkg figure out what to do |
| 03:36.06 | ginoman | and experimental |
| 03:36.21 | maxamillion | pickcoder: no, but i would feel a lot better about the situation |
| 03:36.28 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:36.33 | maxamillion | ginoman: then tell him to fix it |
| 03:36.42 | maxamillion | ginoman: he broke it, its his fault ;_ |
| 03:36.44 | maxamillion | ;) |
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| 03:36.58 | maxamillion | can't type tonight ... |
| 03:37.06 | mbuf | stew, i see |
| 03:37.31 | ginoman | hopes iceweasel can weasel around the problem with swiftfox |
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| 03:38.28 | awmcclain | Ug... I'm trying to decrypt a gpg message. I pasted the message into gpg, it asked me for my passphrase, but now it seems to be hung at "gpg: encrypted with 2048-bit ELG-E key, ID 7985835F, created 2008-04-14...." |
| 03:39.01 | ginoman | iceweasel is better than no-weasel |
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| 03:39.10 | Cope | hi! I'd like a book which would help the process of designing from scratch the infrastructure required to build a small hosting company? |
| 03:39.20 | stew | ginoman: show us the actual output of "aptitude remove whateverpackage" and we'll help you get it removed |
| 03:39.20 | Cope | any recommendations? |
| 03:39.46 | Cope | I've got "designing isp architectures", but it is a bit old (2002) |
| 03:40.16 | ginoman | http://pastebin.com/d11f6d186 |
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| 03:40.46 | ginoman | I've been messing around with it but I can't make heads nor tails of it |
| 03:40.57 | pickcoder | Cope: the scope of an "ISP" has changed drastically since 2002 |
| 03:41.04 | pickcoder | what are you wanting to host |
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| 03:41.39 | stew | ginoman: can you remove mono-common? |
| 03:41.39 | Cope | pickcoder: java web apps - for 6 clients |
| 03:41.59 | pickcoder | so you want to run an ASP... application service provider |
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| 03:42.04 | ginoman | I tried purging it |
| 03:42.10 | Cope | sounds right |
| 03:42.27 | pickcoder | if it's all going to be remote serviced, then see what kind of bandwidth you can get |
| 03:42.34 | pickcoder | a T1 doesn't go far these days |
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| 03:43.10 | Cope | basically 6 different people who use software one of my clients wrote have asked for hosting recomendation, and have said they'd pay them/me to do it for them rather than go with one of the big names. |
| 03:43.38 | ginoman | it's basically giving me every option but what I want it to do |
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| 03:44.05 | ginoman | it's saying downgrade these packages and keep these at their current version and then these like two will be removed |
| 03:44.25 | pickcoder | if you are going to be hosting client data, then consider redundant data backups off-site. If they are 24/7 shops then you need to consider redundancy and data replication as well |
| 03:44.56 | pickcoder | BGP is not too expensive these days, but the administration of it can be a nightmare |
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| 03:46.12 | pickcoder | I just passed on that idea a couple months ago |
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| 03:46.32 | ginoman | gaaaa stupid kopete |
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| 03:48.16 | maxamillion | ginoman: it was a netsplit, how can you blame kopete for that? |
| 03:48.26 | ginoman | ? |
| 03:48.28 | ginoman | what's a netsplit |
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| 03:48.48 | maxamillion | seriously? |
| 03:48.57 | pickcoder | maxamillion: IRC is so new... |
| 03:48.58 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 03:49.45 | maxamillion | :P |
| 03:49.45 | stew | !netsplit |
| 03:49.46 | dpkg | [netsplit] A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
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| 03:50.13 | ginoman | so basically freenode kicked me accidentally |
| 03:50.17 | stew | no |
| 03:50.54 | stew | ginoman: it was a deliberate disconnect of two servers |
| 03:51.19 | pickcoder | ginoman: when you send a message on IRC.. the server you're on could be networked with several other servers |
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| 03:51.37 | pickcoder | all the other servers share the traffic |
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| 03:51.51 | pickcoder | clarke just disconnected from the network and took with it all of it's users |
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| 03:51.58 | stew | -!- WALLOP dmwaters: Good day folks, I'm about to restart 2 ircds that are sucking down a lot of memory... |
| 03:51.58 | pickcoder | ~its |
| 03:51.59 | apt | An ITSP (Internet Telephony Service Provider.) is a "VoIP Phone Company". Example : Vonage, Broadvoice, Teliax, VoicePulse, etc. "All ITSPs suck. Some suck less than others. Teliax seems to suck less than most.." (tm) (c) 2007 ManxPower |
| 03:53.00 | ginoman | ok.. anyways |
| 03:53.29 | ginoman | I tried "aptitude purge -f mono-common" |
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| 03:54.29 | ginoman | and it keeps giving me a bunch of solutions to accept or reject and none of them simply purge out mono-common |
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| 03:56.11 | netdaemon | eh? |
| 03:56.12 | Cope | any ideas for console server? |
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| 03:56.59 | ginoman | removing a bunch of mono libraries |
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| 03:57.52 | pickcoder | Cope: console server? |
| 03:58.45 | ginoman | now it's like this: http://pastebin.com/d6e9599f5 |
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| 03:59.53 | Cope | pickcoder: yeah; if i have 20 servers in a datacentre, i'd like to be able to get onto the console of each one remotely |
| 04:00.13 | Cope | so if the machine dies, i can see the console |
| 04:00.20 | Cope | so some kind of console multiplexer |
| 04:00.36 | Cope | cisco used to do a 2511 that did this |
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| 04:01.47 | pickcoder | Cope: that's a multi-faceted question |
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| 04:02.02 | pickcoder | do you want to see the last output of the system before it died? or do you want reboot control |
| 04:02.24 | pickcoder | serial consoles can be plugged into a serial port server on a central machine |
| 04:02.35 | pickcoder | but if that machine dies, you're kind screwed |
| 04:03.03 | Cope | i want to be able to see the console of any machine at any time |
| 04:03.07 | Cope | from one central location |
| 04:03.22 | Cope | i accept the possibility that that one central machine may die |
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| 04:06.41 | pickcoder | Cope: virtual servers may be an answer |
| 04:10.29 | pickcoder | nite all |
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| 04:28.44 | RapidZF | how do you write an iso file to dvd disc? are there any free programs for windows vista? i havent touched windows in nearly 5 years =( |
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| 04:29.08 | JyZyXEL | isn't there some security update argument for apt? |
| 04:29.28 | Shadow_X | RapidZF, BurnAware Free Edition |
| 04:29.30 | Shadow_X | grabs the link |
| 04:29.36 | extor | apt-update perhaps |
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| 04:34.04 | JyZyXEL | i hate when i type my password wrong and then it asks for OTP authentication |
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| 04:44.35 | dacs | ifup eth1 return "Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1." |
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| 04:45.07 | dacs | but when i do ifconfig ican see that it have the ip that i assigned it to it |
| 04:45.14 | dacs | what am i missing here please |
| 04:45.26 | stew | dacs: does /etc/network/interfaces have a stanza for eth1? |
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| 04:46.25 | dacs | stew: nope |
| 04:46.48 | dacs | stew: should i add |
| 04:46.52 | dacs | auto eth1 |
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| 04:47.02 | dacs | iface ethi1 inter static |
| 04:47.20 | dacs | address 192.168.200.1 |
| 04:47.26 | dacs | etc |
| 04:47.47 | liable | ifup reads interfaces, so yeah |
| 04:48.25 | stew | dacs: if you expect "ifup eth1" to work, you'd better have stuff about eth1 in /etc/network/interfaces. does "ifconfig -a" mention eth1? |
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| 04:48.59 | dacs | stew: yes |
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| 04:52.27 | level1 | hi, does a debootstraped system have bash by default? |
| 04:53.07 | stew | level1: yes |
| 04:53.09 | level1 | in other words, if I put in a kernel and a fstab file, I can boot into my new debootstraped system and start downloading more packages from apt? |
| 04:53.19 | level1 | or is there another step? |
| 04:53.34 | level1 | and a hosts file |
| 04:53.43 | stew | level1: well there is the step where you add a /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:53.51 | level1 | okay |
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| 04:54.04 | stew | resolv.conf, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:54.12 | level1 | the reason why I ask is that I want to build a 64 bit system from my 32 bit system without |
| 04:54.15 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.19 | level1 | booting into a live cd |
| 04:54.25 | stew | there should be list somewheres |
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| 04:57.35 | dazoe | how can i take the output from dpkg --get-selections "*" | grep deinstall and run apt purge on the list? |
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| 04:58.33 | stew | dacs: aptitude remove '~c' |
| 04:58.37 | stew | dazoe: ^^ |
| 04:58.52 | dacs | tramp is gone |
| 04:59.02 | new2it | I ned to map PIDs on one system to another for an NFS mount. Can this be done? Should this be done? Where shold I look and what should I look for to find out how to do this? |
| 04:59.06 | dazoe | aptitude remove '~c'?? |
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| 04:59.34 | stew | dazoe: if you really want to use dpkg --get-selections for some reason, "| awk '/deinstall/{print $2}' " or so |
| 04:59.48 | stew | dazoe: yes, '~c' means "packages removed but not purged" |
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| 04:59.58 | dazoe | oh ok |
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| 05:01.13 | dazoe | stew that didn't work |
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| 05:01.43 | venger | just created a netboot sid install and running into the inability to install gnome desktop, ive tried "gnome", "gnome-desktop-environment" and "gnome-core" and each time apt talks about their dependancies and how they are not going to be installed. is there another way? |
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| 05:02.09 | venger | apt-get install in front of each of those in ""'s (just clarifying) |
| 05:02.21 | dacs | stew: eth0 192.168.1.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 , if i am setting eth1 with a diffrenet network eth1 ip 192.168.200.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 will GW be 192.168.1.100? |
| 05:02.27 | stew | dazoe: doh, i meant "aptitude purge '~c'" not aptitude remove... |
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| 05:04.14 | dazoe | thanks |
| 05:04.33 | venger | welp, i hope tasksel Desktop Environment means gnome =) |
| 05:04.45 | stew | venger: it does |
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| 05:10.53 | empiric | hi all i want to install cyrus2.3 on debian etch |
| 05:11.15 | empiric | what repository i choose currently i have cyrus 2.2 |
| 05:11.19 | empiric | any idea? |
| 05:11.26 | empiric | but 2.3 is available |
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| 05:12.08 | benuski | its only available in experimental |
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| 05:12.32 | new2it | I have a debian box and a NFS server, the PIDs on the debinan box don't match the PIDs on the NFS server. Can this be fix? Can they be "mapped" somehow. Should they be? What should I read to find out about this? |
| 05:12.44 | ferguscan | Anyone know of a virtual hosting company that will allow me to run Debian and X-Windows? |
| 05:13.36 | venger | new2it: you mean UID's instead of PIDs? if UIDs just use command switches that maintain permissions usually -p |
| 05:14.10 | dacs | stew: eth0 192.168.1.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 , if i am setting eth1 with a diffrenet network eth1 ip 192.168.200.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 will GW be 192.168.1.100? |
| 05:15.07 | new2it | venger: yes UIDs. & I don't understand. How would "maintaing permissions" help? |
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| 05:15.22 | new2it | I don't recognize the term |
| 05:15.26 | stew | dacs: are you asking me what your gateway address will be? |
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| 05:15.42 | Sebboh | ferguscan, maybe amazon ec2. |
| 05:15.48 | stew | dacs: oh, you have two NICs on two different networks? |
| 05:16.15 | dacs | stew: yes |
| 05:16.47 | Vany | as we know, we can use mkswap to create a swap file instead of swap disk, so what is the difference between swap disk and swap file? |
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| 05:16.56 | stew | dacs: the second wouldn't have a gateway address. if the seond NIC has a DIFFERENT gateway to a DIFFERENT upstream (like a completely separate internet connection) that is a more complicated matter |
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| 05:17.25 | stew | dacs: do you need to get to two different internet connections from the two separate NICs? |
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| 05:18.22 | ferguscan | Sebboh, thanks. |
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| 05:18.40 | venger | new2it: maybe i've misunderstand what you were asking. clarify what you are experiencing. |
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| 05:19.11 | dacs | Sebboh: oh no, eth0 get internet from wireless , and i want eth0 to fwd to eth1 |
| 05:19.40 | dacs | stew: because i will connect a device in eth1 |
| 05:19.48 | stew | dacs: then only eth0 has a gateway entry, eth1 should just have ip/netmask |
| 05:20.07 | new2it | on the NFS box, my UID is 501, on the debian box it is 1001. Can I fix this issue without having to chnage my UID on one or the other? |
| 05:20.09 | larsemil | venger: i understood new2its problem as: user a has UID 1000 on the server but UID 2000 on the client. same username though. nfs dont like it when its different UIDs |
| 05:20.16 | larsemil | ah there we go. :) |
| 05:21.00 | new2it | I /can/ change the UID, I just would rahter not have to. (good learning opertunity and all) |
| 05:24.38 | dacs | stew: its not working, i also edit /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 05:25.09 | stew | dacs: have you run 'sysctl -p' since editing sysctl.conf? |
| 05:25.24 | new2it | so any suggestions on things to look up to fix my NFS problems? Or should I just chnage my UIDs? |
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| 05:26.50 | icenine | How can I surpress kernel messages that are being printed to all ttys/ptys..? I've got an annoying keyboard and everytime I hit a weird key I get an atkbd.c please set the keycode etc.. |
| 05:27.00 | venger | new2it: i'd imagine the daemon supports some level of mapping, did you check the config? |
| 05:27.28 | dacs | stew: yes i did |
| 05:27.51 | new2it | venger: I woldn't have a clue what to look for. I guess that's what I'm looking for. Somthing to feed to grep or Google |
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| 05:28.35 | new2it | I /want/ to RTFM, but I don't know where to start. |
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| 05:31.02 | enouf | icenine: is the module evbug loaded? use lsmod and see |
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| 05:31.10 | larsemil | new2it: man nfs |
| 05:31.18 | larsemil | maybe |
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| 05:31.21 | larsemil | :) |
| 05:31.27 | Killing_Frost | Greetings... |
| 05:31.31 | larsemil | i dont know |
| 05:31.38 | new2it | larsemil: I did, nothing look likely |
| 05:32.05 | larsemil | ah okay. i have to go to work. |
| 05:32.06 | larsemil | peace out |
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| 05:34.13 | empiric | benuski i have |
| 05:34.14 | empiric | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch main contrib non-free on my sources |
| 05:34.20 | empiric | if i want cyrus 2.3 |
| 05:34.24 | Killing_Frost | wonders why 600 plus users come here and say nothing. |
| 05:34.28 | empiric | what i add for experimental sources |
| 05:34.29 | empiric | ? |
| 05:35.19 | liable | empiric: you really dont want to do that. |
| 05:35.32 | empiric | then how i install cyrus 2.3 |
| 05:35.41 | civillian | slightly ot ... anyone run dosemu (under debian of course)? |
| 05:35.41 | liable | empiric: check backports.org |
| 05:35.44 | dacs | stew any suggestions |
| 05:35.48 | empiric | if i do apt-cache search it says cyrus 2.2 in his db |
| 05:35.58 | empiric | how i add in sources |
| 05:35.59 | empiric | ? |
| 05:36.14 | icenine | enouf: no, evbug is not loaded. I'm reading the klogd man page now to see if there is anything there about it |
| 05:36.20 | icenine | enouf: thanks again |
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| 05:39.02 | enouf | icenine: i recall a bug, but it was a while ago, and not debian specific |
| 05:39.21 | icenine | yeah, I've had this problem on several distros. |
| 05:39.28 | icenine | well.. actualy. |
| 05:39.32 | icenine | maybe it's a feature |
| 05:39.37 | enouf | maybe even just the evdev module |
| 05:39.47 | icenine | yeah, I noticed that module |
| 05:39.51 | icenine | I was looking it up just now |
| 05:39.59 | icenine | this is a lame microsoft keyboard |
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| 05:40.20 | icenine | with a bunch of buttons I don't think anyone would ever use, but whenever i touch them it prints crap to the terminal |
| 05:41.14 | enouf | my crappy keyboard has 19 extra of those silly buttons i'll never use |
| 05:41.35 | liable | map em to stuff you will use :) |
| 05:42.02 | enouf | i have no idea what they do - but every now and then, i accidentally hit one, and all hell breaks loose |
| 05:42.46 | enouf | liable: they |
| 05:42.49 | icenine | Mine has buttons like, "calendar, mail, messenger, web/home, my documents".. I don't use any of those things. I just sit in my cave all day. |
| 05:42.58 | enouf | liable: they're too stupid to be useful |
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| 05:43.27 | liable | oh well |
| 05:43.56 | enouf | liable: they're these little itty-bitty things .. one row on far left, one on far right , running vertically along the sides |
| 05:44.04 | icenine | i mean, it would be a fix to set the keycodes up on all of the keys that are bothering me |
| 05:44.08 | dacs | cd / |
| 05:44.20 | dacs | opps |
| 05:44.23 | liable | rm -r |
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| 05:44.38 | whalesh4rk | SUP D00DZ |
| 05:45.00 | dacs | liable: should i restart after that |
| 05:45.15 | liable | dacs: yup |
| 05:45.15 | enouf | mine just have some silly stupid icons on them (no text) which look like egyptian hieroglphics to me |
| 05:45.24 | whalesh4rk | LOLOL |
| 05:45.28 | icenine | I'm also bombarded with cpu is running in modulated clock mode messages. |
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| 05:45.37 | icenine | the CPU isn't very hot though. |
| 05:46.04 | dacs | liable: ok, thank you man brb |
| 05:46.11 | liable | np |
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| 05:47.59 | whalesh4rk | WHAT DOES "NP" STAND FOR? |
| 05:48.15 | dacs | liable: mofo, you actually did that to me sometime 2003 |
| 05:48.23 | dacs | lol |
| 05:48.29 | liable | dacs: bull |
| 05:48.40 | liable | whalesh4rk: i think your caps key is stuck on. |
| 05:48.45 | dacs | liable: i swear |
| 05:49.08 | whalesh4rk | WHAT LED YOU TO THAT ASSUMPTION? |
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| 05:51.32 | empiric | liable |
| 05:51.36 | empiric | i have added deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 05:51.48 | empiric | in sources now how i install cyrus 2.3 |
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| 05:52.04 | empiric | still when i do apt-cache search cyrus |
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| 05:52.15 | empiric | it gives cyrus-2.2 package list |
| 05:52.24 | empiric | i need cyrus -2.3 packages |
| 05:52.31 | liable | empiric: backports may not have 2.3 |
| 05:52.38 | empiric | then |
| 05:52.38 | empiric | ? |
| 05:52.53 | empiric | do i need to set preferences for backports |
| 05:52.53 | empiric | ? |
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| 05:54.01 | WormFood | does X11 support driving my external monitor, and my lcd display on my laptop? I have not been able to get it to work |
| 05:54.19 | nevyn | WormFood: what graphics chip? |
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| 05:54.33 | maligor | depends entirely on the driver and graphics chip |
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| 05:55.02 | WormFood | VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 05:55.27 | WormFood | if I can't get it to work real quick (10 minutes) then I'll have to boot into windows, and play with it later. |
| 05:55.35 | empiric | liable plz tel me from where i get cyrus-2.3? |
| 05:55.44 | liable | empiric: i dont know, sorry |
| 05:55.48 | nevyn | WormFood: type xrandr |
| 05:55.50 | WormFood | anyone know off the top of their head, if that (ati) will drive the monitor and lcd at the same time? |
| 05:56.06 | nevyn | WormFood: are you using the radeon driver? |
| 05:56.27 | WormFood | whatever comes with debian unstable |
| 05:56.38 | dacs | liable: can you help me figure out what is going on my network seteo |
| 05:56.41 | nevyn | WormFood: what's xrandr say? |
| 05:56.42 | dacs | *setup |
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| 05:56.44 | WormFood | I see xrandr does something, but don't have my monitor connected |
| 05:56.52 | nevyn | oh connect the monitor. |
| 05:56.58 | WormFood | yea, one sec |
| 05:57.00 | liable | dacs: dunno, whats wrong with it? |
| 05:57.21 | nevyn | WormFood: then try xrandr --ouput VGA --auto and see if it turns it on. |
| 05:57.31 | dacs | liable: eth0 192.168.1.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 , if i am setting eth1 with a diffrenet network eth1 ip 192.168.200.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 05:57.46 | dazoe | is it safe to clear out the /var/cache/apt/archives dir? |
| 05:58.02 | nevyn | dazoe: use apt-get clean to do it. |
| 05:58.04 | liable | dazoe: use apt-get clean or aptitude clean |
| 05:58.12 | WormFood | it tells me my vga monitor is connected |
| 05:58.14 | liable | dacs: and? |
| 05:58.41 | dacs | liable: i can't traceroute 192.168.200.2 |
| 05:58.55 | dacs | i want eth0 to fwd to eth1 |
| 05:59.02 | liable | dacs: and you made a route for that second network? |
| 05:59.19 | dacs | liable: hmmmm |
| 05:59.40 | dacs | liable: sysctl -p |
| 05:59.56 | liable | whats sysctl -p do? |
| 06:00.28 | dacs | liable: after edit /etc/sysctl.conf ... |
| 06:00.34 | dacs | ^^ if fwd ip |
| 06:00.37 | dacs | right |
| 06:01.01 | WormFood | nevyn, I get an error |
| 06:02.00 | liable | dacs: i dont understand. how exactly have you set up your two cards, and what exactly are you trying to achieve? |
| 06:02.18 | WormFood | ok, I got working a bit nevyn....thanks so much for your help, you saved me from booting into windows *cringe* |
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| 06:05.06 | dacs | liable: my debian box gets its internet wirlesslly from a linksys wirless router (192.168.1.1) |
| 06:05.14 | empiric | benuski u there |
| 06:05.42 | streuner | !seen benuski |
| 06:05.43 | dpkg | benuski <n=bsbrom@128.239.173.162> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 53m 34s ago, saying: 'its only available in experimental'. |
| 06:06.00 | liable | dacs: and you want to feed the other subnet from that connection? |
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| 06:06.58 | dacs | liable: i want to connect an ATA (Analog Telephone Adaptor) to the eth came embedded on the mobo eth1 so i choosed 192.168.200.1 |
| 06:07.04 | dacs | liable: yes |
| 06:07.29 | liable | dacs: read a masquerading howto, or install ipmasq |
| 06:08.01 | dacs | tramp said i don;t need that |
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| 06:09.29 | stew | dacs: you might, you might not. is the gateway for eth0 going to know how to send traffic coming from the network on eth1 back to eth0? |
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| 06:10.03 | dacs | stew: i don't know |
| 06:10.10 | dacs | i don't think so |
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| 06:11.30 | stew | dacs: what is the gatway you set for eth0? |
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| 06:13.10 | dacs | stew: i have it set to dhcp |
| 06:13.28 | dacs | inet dhcp |
| 06:13.38 | stew | dacs: what does the routing table for the gateway look like? |
| 06:13.56 | stew | dacs: by gateway, i mean router, the thing that eth0 connects to the internet via |
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| 06:15.23 | dacs | stew: dest submast default hop count iface |
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| 06:15.45 | dacs | 0000 0000 public ip 1 wan |
| 06:16.13 | dacs | public 255.255.255.0 0000 1 wan |
| 06:16.36 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:16.47 | dacs | 192.168.1.0 255.255.255.0 0000 lan |
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| 06:17.44 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 06:17.45 | Haris1 | anyone using rtg for polling resources and plotting graphs? |
| 06:19.03 | stew | dacs: then your router doens't know to send traffic for 192.168.2.0/24 |
| 06:20.20 | stew | dacs: so your choices are to tell your router that it should also sen traffic for 192.168.2.0/24 to the same interface as 192.168.1.0/24, or to setup this machine to masquerade the 192.168.2.0/24 network over the 192.168.1.100 ip |
| 06:20.31 | fireba11 | Haris : sounds like you should take a look at munin |
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| 06:21.18 | empiric | hey fireball |
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| 06:22.23 | macpower | hi how are you? |
| 06:22.23 | dpkg | macpower: you know how it is... |
| 06:22.44 | macpower | what? |
| 06:22.59 | empiric | helo any one did postfix+cyrus+ldap on debain etch? |
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| 06:23.46 | macpower | i use a converter usb serial |
| 06:23.52 | macpower | and a have a little problem |
| 06:25.02 | macpower | my usb serial is mounted on ttyUSB0 |
| 06:25.20 | macpower | and i have doing a ln -s /Dev/tyyUSB0 /dev/ttyS0 |
| 06:25.31 | macpower | but my software that use ttyS0 |
| 06:25.36 | macpower | don't work |
| 06:25.58 | macpower | have you a solution for use directly ttyS0 when i plug my usb serial please ? |
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| 06:27.22 | streuner | !factinfo hi |
| 06:27.23 | dpkg | hi -- created by hi <ddent@sfr-qbu-pqd-vty5.as.wcom.net> at Sun Mar 26 08:44:05 2000 (2944 days); it has been requested 936 times, last by padski_, 2d 14h 50m 30s ago; it has been locked by hi. |
| 06:30.06 | macpower | nobod y? |
| 06:30.07 | macpower | please |
| 06:30.39 | liable | macpower: why cant you make your software use ttySO ? |
| 06:30.58 | liable | err, usb0 |
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| 06:31.13 | macpower | i don't have the choice |
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| 06:31.23 | macpower | it's a develloper software |
| 06:31.26 | liable | macpower: doesn't it have a config file? |
| 06:31.34 | macpower | what's file |
| 06:31.36 | macpower | udev.rules? |
| 06:31.44 | liable | no, for the software |
| 06:31.55 | liable | tell it to use the right tty |
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| 06:32.27 | macpower | no my software use ttyS* port |
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| 06:32.51 | streuner | hands macpower a coffee |
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| 06:33.21 | macpower | thanks streuner |
| 06:33.28 | macpower | lol |
| 06:33.37 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.50 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.13 | liable | dislocated hips? |
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| 06:34.37 | macpower | what's |
| 06:34.41 | macpower | sorry i'm french |
| 06:34.51 | macpower | i don't all understand |
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| 06:34.59 | liable | macpower: there is a french channel. |
| 06:35.00 | streuner | sure, via udev rules its possible to direct the devices |
| 06:35.02 | liable | !fr |
| 06:35.03 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org. |
| 06:35.23 | streuner | s/direct/link/ |
| 06:35.30 | macpower | ok thanks |
| 06:35.37 | streuner | wait |
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| 06:35.49 | macpower | but englsih people is so strong |
| 06:35.49 | macpower | lol |
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| 06:36.05 | streuner | french is stronger :-P |
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| 06:37.21 | weiles | hi |
| 06:37.28 | macpower | hi weiles |
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| 06:37.58 | weiles | i have read about the ubuntu security inclusions for pie and /dev/mem and /dev/kmem |
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| 06:38.08 | weiles | will they be in lenny, too? |
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| 06:38.21 | weiles | are they in the current 2.6.24 image? |
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| 06:38.49 | weiles | macpower, hi i have tuned the mac of my mom this night :-D |
| 06:38.50 | streuner | macpower: KERNEL=="hdc", SYMLINK+="dvd" |
| 06:39.26 | dacs_ | stew: didn;t work |
| 06:39.31 | streuner | macpower: thats an example for a simple symlink /dev/hdc->/dev/dvd |
| 06:39.35 | weiles | macpower, the ibook works flawlessly now, even with integrating in the nfs4 /home and kerberos infrastructure over wlan with suspending |
| 06:39.35 | `6og | hi all. are there known issues with 4.0r3? i'm running 'expert' and i still cant configure the clock (eg confirm time/s), but i can set timezone |
| 06:39.45 | weiles | is really happy |
| 06:40.01 | `6og | i should meantion i'm running the cd on PowerBook G3 |
| 06:40.20 | streuner | macpower: in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistend-cd.rules |
| 06:41.16 | streuner | macpower: just try that (or similar), if you cannot configure the software (liable told you) |
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| 06:49.58 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 06:50.10 | Lagbolt | hi uzbek |
| 06:50.28 | uzbek | id like to learn gtk, is there a single package which will install all necessary libs? |
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| 06:52.34 | Lagbolt | prob libgtk#.#-dev or something |
| 06:55.08 | uzbek | ok thanx Lagbolt |
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| 07:00.26 | macpower | tks |
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| 07:03.40 | uzbek | what does UDEV do? is it ok if i remove it? |
| 07:04.10 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 07:04.19 | Lagbolt | if you dont know what it does . . . maybe read about it |
| 07:04.24 | aleix | uzbek: no, it is not ok :-) it controls all devices... |
| 07:04.34 | Lagbolt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev |
| 07:04.38 | uzbek | i don't know it is giving error |
| 07:04.52 | uzbek | dpkg: error processing udev (--configure): |
| 07:04.52 | uzbek | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.52 | uzbek | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 07:04.52 | uzbek | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:04.52 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
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| 07:05.36 | uzbek | sorry :) |
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| 07:06.01 | larsemil | uzbek: apt-get install -f gives what? |
| 07:06.28 | uzbek | larsemil, the same error |
| 07:06.45 | Lagbolt | uzbek, what did you do that broke it |
| 07:06.53 | Lagbolt | what happened few commands before your error |
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| 07:07.30 | uzbek | I wanted to install some scanning apps, i guess after that i start to receive errors |
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| 07:07.44 | uzbek | but i removed those apps, |
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| 07:11.34 | Lagbolt | uzbek, what do you get from "dpkg -l | grep udev" |
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| 07:12.01 | uzbek | iF udev 0.114-2 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 07:12.23 | uzbek | actually, im working in a virtual machine |
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| 07:13.17 | uzbek | we have a powerful server and we're connected to it through low-power terminal-computers |
| 07:13.31 | PumpkinPie | uzbek: shocking |
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| 07:14.47 | uzbek | PumpkinPie, ? |
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| 07:15.18 | hrp | if i have debian in english and i want to install openoffice in spanish, how can i do that, i dont see anything related to that in openoffice.org |
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| 07:15.38 | `6og | hrp: spanish dictionaries or full UI change? |
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| 07:16.34 | Lagbolt | uzbek, dpkg-reconfigure udev maybe |
| 07:16.57 | Lagbolt | when you tried to install what ever it was did you notice that it was going to remove important packages or did you not look at that info? |
| 07:17.14 | uzbek | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: udev is broken or not fully installed |
| 07:17.25 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 07:17.42 | level1 | does anyone know where I could find a tarball of a minimum bootable debian system? |
| 07:17.47 | level1 | just enough to use apt |
| 07:17.50 | level1 | oh, 64 bit |
| 07:18.04 | Lagbolt | level1, what are you trying to do? |
| 07:18.06 | uzbek | Lagbolt, "yes/no: yes, yes/no: yes, ...." :) |
| 07:18.10 | Lagbolt | you can make one with debootstrap easily |
| 07:18.27 | level1 | Lagbolt: yeah, but its difficult to debootstrap from a 32 bit system to a 64 bit system |
| 07:18.50 | Lagbolt | you want to upgrade to 64 from 32? |
| 07:19.09 | level1 | Lagbolt: basically, and I dont want to do a formal reinstall |
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| 07:19.27 | Lagbolt | well i think you may be out of luck |
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| 07:19.45 | Lagbolt | i dont see any easy way to just upgrade. |
| 07:20.28 | hrp | in the packages i see theres "openoffice.org" and "openoffice.org2" is the last one newer? or is it a complete different package? |
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| 07:20.50 | Lagbolt | what were you going to do with a tarball of min packages? |
| 07:20.53 | Lagbolt | just copy them in? |
| 07:21.13 | ArtVandalae | I just have to say Kudos to Debian. I just installed Lenny. Everything worked out of the box. Including MP3, and Xvid. Amazing not even Ubuntu does that. |
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| 07:21.35 | Lagbolt | level1, how is your system partitioned? you could always do a min install to a small partition (maybe convert your swap partition) into 64 bit |
| 07:21.38 | level1 | Lagbolt: basically, then boot into it and install the rest of the system |
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| 07:21.41 | Lagbolt | then boot it |
| 07:21.56 | level1 | Lagbolt: but how do I debootstrap a 64 bit system? |
| 07:21.56 | Lagbolt | why not just use the installer? |
| 07:22.00 | level1 | eh |
| 07:22.16 | Lagbolt | i am confused. if you are going to boot into it what are you doing with the 32bit? |
| 07:22.44 | Lagbolt | just dont overwrite your home |
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| 07:23.06 | level1 | Lagbolt: well, I dont want to reinstall because it play around with my setup; screw up my raid, mess up my bootloader, and just trash my system |
| 07:23.24 | Lagbolt | well how big is your swap part? |
| 07:23.26 | level1 | debootstrap gives me a closer level of control |
| 07:23.33 | level1 | Lagbolt: I have plenty of space |
| 07:23.38 | level1 | I already have a partition |
| 07:23.47 | hrp | wich openoffice should i install from packages? openoffice-org or openoffice.org2? |
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| 07:23.55 | Lagbolt | then just bootstrap it . . . http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292010 |
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| 07:24.29 | level1 | Lagbolt: its only possible if I have a 64 bit kernel |
| 07:24.31 | level1 | Lagbolt: |
| 07:24.35 | Lagbolt | so install the kernel |
| 07:24.48 | Lagbolt | apt-get install linux-image-foo-amd64 |
| 07:24.56 | level1 | Lagbolt: is it possible to just swap out the kernel like that? what about drivers? also, Im running ubuntu |
| 07:25.05 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 07:25.12 | Lagbolt | swap out? |
| 07:25.28 | Lagbolt | you can install the 64bit kern with apt |
| 07:25.34 | level1 | replace a 32 bit kernel with a 64 bit one with no breakage |
| 07:25.36 | Penix | level1: ask in #ubuntu then |
| 07:25.37 | Lagbolt | well i dont know in ubuntu lol |
| 07:25.42 | Penix | level1: we don't support ubuntu here |
| 07:25.42 | Lagbolt | they have generic |
| 07:25.45 | Lagbolt | or what ever they have |
| 07:25.48 | level1 | lol yeah |
| 07:25.57 | Lagbolt | so you might have to compile or go to #ubuntu |
| 07:26.06 | Lagbolt | or even better . . . install debian |
| 07:26.06 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 07:26.11 | level1 | well, they have 64 bit, but if I go over there they'll say no, its too dangerous |
| 07:26.22 | Penix | level1: and we'll say, ask #ubuntu. over and over again |
| 07:26.25 | Lagbolt | whats dangerous? |
| 07:27.20 | level1 | the ubuntu guys dont want to be responsible for new linux users breaking their systems, which is of course exactly what Im doing haha |
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| 07:27.51 | Lagbolt | lol are they new ubuntu users lol |
| 07:28.39 | liable | lollerskates |
| 07:28.44 | Penix | heh |
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| 07:30.20 | Beaps | I don't get it you know you have the potential to break your install you have Ubutnu installed yet you come to a debian chat room to ask if its alright to do with what you want to do |
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| 07:32.14 | Lagbolt | i dont get the problem. if yo have a partition why not just install 64 to that partition and call it a day |
| 07:32.17 | Beaps | Sounds to me like your just looking for reasurrance to what your doing so you can go ahead and do it |
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| 07:32.57 | simonrvn | who are you people talking to? |
| 07:33.05 | warlocky | Hey guys, pure-ftpd recently just quit working for me. I can't seem to start it, I've tried re-installing it 4 times now with no success. |
| 07:33.26 | simonrvn | 's seeing one-sided discussions again... "effing /ignores" |
| 07:33.28 | warlocky | Could anyone please help? I really need to get my pure-ftpd server up and running again. |
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| 07:34.14 | level1 | Beaps: Im not looking for reasurrance, Im trying to find a way around this problem. Im just having fun, if theres no way to do it boo-hoo |
| 07:34.14 | hrp | is there any irc cñient that works from console? without starting X? |
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| 07:34.34 | nikos | hi |
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| 07:34.41 | simonrvn | hrp: many |
| 07:34.56 | simonrvn | !tell hrp -about search |
| 07:35.21 | Beaps | Like that one guy said if you have a new partion on the drive then just install the X64 Kernal with the packages you want and call it a day |
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| 07:36.06 | Daemonus | can someone recommend a good video editor program please? |
| 07:37.07 | simonrvn | see what i had the bot tell hrp |
| 07:37.23 | Mundus | Daemonus: Thank you for a good example for "Which questions you shouldn't ask in #debian" |
| 07:37.36 | Beaps | As far as removing the 32 bit Linux kernal you have installed right now and replacing it all with a 64 bit Kernal for all of what is going on now I wouldn't doubt one bit that it wouldn't work |
| 07:37.46 | nikos | I have installed a locally installed debian package and I want to prefer that from the version available on debian repositories which is more recent. What should I enter in /etc/apt/preferences to achieve that? I tried the following Package: package-name |
| 07:37.46 | nikos | Pin: version * |
| 07:37.46 | nikos | Pin-Priority: -1, but it doensn't seem to work... any ideas? |
| 07:38.20 | simonrvn | and what's wrong with building it yourself? |
| 07:38.56 | Lagbolt | Daemonus, http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3 |
| 07:39.11 | Daemonus | Mundus: thanks a lot for your help i really appreciate it |
| 07:39.15 | Haris1 | fireba11: Na.. I don't want munin. I want rtg |
| 07:39.29 | Haris1 | munin makes graphs that can be created with mrtg's rrd tool |
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| 07:39.42 | Haris1 | Don't want those graphs. They look ugly compared to rtg's graphs |
| 07:39.54 | Haris1 | The font is bold |
| 07:39.56 | Daemonus | Lagbolt: thanks dude |
| 07:40.21 | warlocky | Anyone? :( |
| 07:40.23 | Haris1 | rtg makes slim and sharp plotting |
| 07:40.31 | nikos | Actually although I think it would be possible to pin the version of my locally installed package to 999 (or something similar) I would prefer not to. I would prefer to decrease the priority of the packages from debian repository if possible. |
| 07:40.36 | simonrvn | Haris1: ...and that's changeable |
| 07:40.43 | simonrvn | mrtg |
| 07:41.15 | Haris1 | aha |
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| 07:41.46 | stew | nikos: /msg dpkg hold |
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| 07:42.09 | warlocky | Hey guys, pure-ftpd recently just quit working for me. I can't seem to start it, I've tried re-installing it 4 times now with no success. |
| 07:42.13 | Lagbolt | warlocky, i dont know anything about it . . . maybe if you tell the trouble you are having with it |
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| 07:43.23 | warlocky | Lagbolt: I just did, it doesn't start. I can't connect to it, not giving me any information |
| 07:43.46 | Lagbolt | warlocky, there must be a log |
| 07:43.48 | simonrvn | syslog? :) |
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| 07:44.56 | Beaps | Yeah I think syslog would be where I would be checking for a read out on what is going on might direct you to a better area on where to check on as to why it may be burping |
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| 07:45.23 | simonrvn | sounds more like puking than just a burp |
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| 07:45.31 | fantix | Hi, could someone please explain why puppetrun is not in Etch? |
| 07:45.42 | warlocky | simonrvn: i'll take a look |
| 07:47.17 | warlocky | simonrvn: how do I grep something from the syslog.0? example "pure-ftpd" ? |
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| 07:47.49 | PiousMinion | fusesmb /mnt/smb failes with "fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" yet /dev/fuse is owned by the fuse group, I am in that group, and it's set 660. Ideas? |
| 07:48.36 | simonrvn | .0 is just a non-gzipped text file, nothing special needs to be done. as for the grep pattern to be searched for, i'll give you that in a sec |
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| 07:49.02 | simonrvn | yes, that's correct |
| 07:49.12 | simonrvn | fantix: bts. go look |
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| 07:49.47 | warlocky | ok simonrvn: thanks |
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| 07:50.38 | stew | fantix: because the first time puppet was uploaded to debian was long after etch had been released |
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| 07:51.15 | ArtVandalae | Hi, I'm running Lenny. Why does installing gstreamer-plugins-bad seem to break gstreamer-plugins-ugly? Anyone else have this issue? |
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| 07:54.18 | stew | fantix: actually, i lied, the first upload of puppet to debian was '24 May 2006'. |
| 07:54.50 | warlocky | simonrvn: I found the error, but how do I fix it? error: cannot execute /usr/sbin/proftpd: |
| 07:54.53 | simonrvn | ArtVandalae: they conflict. rather large difference |
| 07:55.13 | simonrvn | warlocky: ls -l it ? |
| 07:55.48 | fantix | stew: thanks for the answer. I was just wondering since puppetrun is in 0.20.1 while Etch didn't include it |
| 07:56.03 | warlocky | simonrvn: huh? |
| 07:56.28 | ArtVandalae | simonrvn, my bad. But should this be happening? I mean as packages they're mutually exclusive. |
| 07:57.10 | simonrvn | warlocky: there's a reason it can't exec it. step one in finding out why is to see if it's actually there ;). |
| 07:57.24 | simonrvn | ArtVandalae: yes, Conflicts: are intentional |
| 07:57.52 | warlocky | it's there simonrvn. |
| 07:58.02 | stew | fantix: yeah. i don't know, could have been an oversight |
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| 07:58.06 | warlocky | hmpfh, no its not. that's proftpd |
| 07:58.08 | warlocky | not pureftpd |
| 07:58.26 | simonrvn | oh yeh. doh |
| 07:58.34 | simonrvn | <-- tired |
| 07:58.41 | hrp | hi is there any p2p software on linux other than frostwire? |
| 07:58.48 | simonrvn | just came back from a long bus ride |
| 07:58.56 | stew | hrp: yes, lots |
| 07:59.31 | simonrvn | stew: hello |
| 07:59.36 | stew | simonrvn: hi |
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| 07:59.46 | ArtVandalae | hrp, yes. Frostwire uses Gnutella. There are clients that have eDonkey2000, Bitorrent, and Soulseek support too. |
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| 08:00.19 | simonrvn | cries in his coffee "boston won game 5" |
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| 08:00.38 | stew | it was game 2, but yeah |
| 08:00.52 | simonrvn | game 2? |
| 08:00.59 | stew | game 5? |
| 08:01.08 | simonrvn | i'm talking hockey :) |
| 08:01.18 | stew | i'm talking about baseball |
| 08:01.27 | simonrvn | heheh |
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| 08:01.34 | hrp | stew, ArtVanda1ae like wich ones? could any of you recommend me a very lite one? or the best |
| 08:01.52 | vvd | hey, what package contains "ar" (to extract debs)? |
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| 08:02.07 | liable | vvd: its in core-utils iirc |
| 08:02.15 | liable | you should have it |
| 08:02.33 | stew | vvd: binutils, but, unless you have reason not to, you should use dpkg or dpkg-deb |
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| 08:02.40 | Crissi | hello |
| 08:02.47 | aarcane | can anyone using postfix on debian assist me in disabling "return-path:" headers ? |
| 08:02.50 | Crissi | when 2.6.25 will be in testing? |
| 08:02.55 | vvd | stew: dpkg requires root to unpack!? |
| 08:03.08 | Crissi | i think its an very important version and should be in next debian stable |
| 08:03.10 | simonrvn | vvd: yes |
| 08:03.28 | vvd | i just wanna unpack deb foo :) |
| 08:03.40 | vvd | in my home dir |
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| 08:03.54 | vvd | dpkg probably doesnt even know about it |
| 08:04.08 | simonrvn | you can do -x foo.deb . but that only unpacks it, it does *not* install it |
| 08:04.20 | vvd | thats what i want ! :D |
| 08:04.24 | simonrvn | man dpkg |
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| 08:05.13 | stew | vvd: no, it doesn't |
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| 08:06.37 | DawnLight | what is the difference between debootstrap and cdebootsstrap? |
| 08:07.02 | warlocky | simonrvn: any ideas? can't get it to work at all.. |
| 08:07.05 | liable | hmm, second person to ask that in a couple of days |
| 08:07.17 | warlocky | Is there a way to see whats running on port 21? |
| 08:07.36 | stew | DawnLight: one is written in c |
| 08:07.37 | liable | DawnLight: its implemented in c as opposed to whatever it was. perl? |
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| 08:08.02 | stew | DawnLight: we are going to let you guess which is written in c and which isn't |
| 08:08.07 | simonrvn | i'd just strace it, see what's going on, after you kill off anything listening on port 21 tcp |
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| 08:08.24 | DawnLight | i'm going to guess right |
| 08:08.32 | warlocky | simonrvn: and how am I going to do that? been trying to figure it out, but no success |
| 08:08.37 | simonrvn | liable: yeh perl |
| 08:08.42 | warlocky | nothing in error logs eaither |
| 08:08.45 | simonrvn | !netstat |
| 08:08.45 | dpkg | simonrvn netstat - Prints network connections, routing tables, interface statistics, masquerade connections, and multi-cast memberships. try netstat -pantu to also see which daemon serves which port |
| 08:08.54 | ArtVandalae | warlocky, telnet into it? |
| 08:09.22 | jelly-home | liable: shell *shudder* |
| 08:09.36 | warlocky | no reponse on telnet ArtVanda1ae |
| 08:09.40 | simonrvn | oh it is shell? daaaamn |
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| 08:10.40 | warlocky | nope..nothing running on port 21 |
| 08:10.59 | warlocky | hmm.... |
| 08:11.14 | warlocky | is there a way to "fully" uninstall a package I've installed? removing everything that has to do with pure-ftpd ? |
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| 08:11.30 | `6og | warlocky: --purge remove |
| 08:11.31 | Lagbolt | dpkg -P |
| 08:11.32 | dpkg | destroys any trace of lagbolt's existence |
| 08:11.38 | Lagbolt | oh shit lol |
| 08:11.48 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:12.10 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:12.12 | Lagbolt | dpkg -i |
| 08:12.15 | Lagbolt | hmmm nothing |
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| 08:12.19 | warlocky | alright. I'll take a look |
| 08:14.10 | warlocky | ...that didn't work |
| 08:14.14 | warlocky | the /etc/pure-ftpd dir is still there |
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| 08:14.37 | DawnLight | any reason i should use one over the other? cdebootstrap/debootstrap? |
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| 08:15.54 | stew | DawnLight: use whichever is not broken. when neither is broken they should both behave identically |
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| 08:16.33 | Lagbolt | DawnLight, not sure . . . i need to read up on that. but it is just c implementation vs script |
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| 08:16.54 | raul | what would you suggest me as a versioning filesystem? |
| 08:17.13 | raul | i would like to have a full backup system based on dates |
| 08:17.19 | raul | if a file changes |
| 08:17.24 | simonrvn | raul: that's like asking what religion people are. try them all, see what you like. |
| 08:17.47 | raul | just tell me the names of the projects |
| 08:17.49 | stew | there are versioning filesystems? |
| 08:17.53 | raul | then i`ll try them all |
| 08:17.54 | raul | :) |
| 08:17.58 | warlocky | Lagbolt: How do I search the whole machine for a file? I'm gonna try to find the wierdo pure-ftpd files that's messing with me |
| 08:18.00 | simonrvn | oh, fs... |
| 08:18.16 | simonrvn | ok, i'm not helping anymore, i can't even see straight |
| 08:18.28 | Lagbolt | warlocky, you can use "locate filename" |
| 08:18.29 | raul | warlocky dpkg -L package |
| 08:18.46 | Lagbolt | warlocky, yeah or that . . . or find / -iname "*filename*" |
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| 08:19.13 | ArtVandalae | Are there versioning fs? I think I read somewhere that Apple or Sun, or somebody (maybe even MS?) was developing/prototyping one, but do they really exist? |
| 08:19.31 | stew | warlocky: updatedb && locate filename |
| 08:20.04 | Lagbolt | ArtVanda1ae, there is something i forget what it was called. |
| 08:20.10 | Lagbolt | someone talked about it on arstechnica |
| 08:20.10 | Penix | now look what you've done, you little *freaks* |
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| 08:21.18 | raul | ArtVandalae: nilfs |
| 08:21.21 | raul | beta |
| 08:21.26 | simonrvn | Penix: eh? |
| 08:21.52 | raul | but i heard about something doable with lvm |
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| 08:22.01 | warlocky | thanks stew, couldn't find anything with pure-ftpd, that's odd though....wonder why pure-ftpd wont work |
| 08:22.17 | warlocky | driving me nuts.. |
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| 08:22.36 | stew | warlocky: be more specific than "wont work' |
| 08:22.38 | Lagbolt | ArtVanda1ae, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versioning_file_system |
| 08:22.39 | raul | warlocky: if you are talking about a file mantained |
| 08:22.51 | raul | then: dpkg -L packagename |
| 08:22.53 | Whosrodney | can anyone help with apache not serving php files in debian etch? |
| 08:23.04 | raul | where packagename would be pure-ftpd |
| 08:23.07 | raul | in your case |
| 08:23.11 | Whosrodney | I'm having some serious trouble |
| 08:23.20 | stew | Whosrodney: are you using php4 or php5? apache? or apache2? |
| 08:23.31 | Whosrodney | stew: php5, apache2 |
| 08:23.35 | stew | Whosrodney: run 'a2enmod php5' |
| 08:23.41 | warlocky | stew: the problem is that it wont start, I have no idea. But when i do: /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start it wont start, but it stops when i do stop. |
| 08:23.42 | Whosrodney | stew: yes, it's enabled |
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| 08:23.48 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 08:23.49 | stew | Whosrodney: (assuming libapache2-mod-php5 is installed) |
| 08:23.57 | warlocky | I've re-installed a couple of times, with no success. Miracle if I get this to work. |
| 08:24.00 | Whosrodney | stew: yes, that is installed as well |
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| 08:24.11 | raul | warlocky: try all the way down and up |
| 08:24.17 | warlocky | I've tried everything |
| 08:24.23 | raul | first try to stard the daemon through script |
| 08:24.28 | warlocky | I did |
| 08:24.32 | raul | then by command |
| 08:24.37 | stew | Whosrodney: be more specific, what doyou mean by "not serving php files" |
| 08:24.44 | warlocky | I've tried starting it via script, by command, then via /etc/init.d/ - but nope |
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| 08:24.57 | raul | then open a port on the 21 |
| 08:25.03 | raul | nc -l -p 21 |
| 08:25.03 | warlocky | hm, and how do I do that? |
| 08:25.12 | warlocky | yeah? |
| 08:25.19 | simonrvn | he just shoed you |
| 08:25.23 | simonrvn | showed* |
| 08:25.30 | warlocky | yeah..but then what? It's open, the pure-ftpd server has worked before. |
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| 08:25.33 | stew | warlocky: what happens when you run "/etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start". do you get an error? |
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| 08:25.59 | warlocky | erage:/var/cache/apt/archives# /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start |
| 08:25.59 | warlocky | erage:/var/cache/apt/archives# |
| 08:26.03 | warlocky | Nothing at all, just that |
| 08:26.11 | raul | hu |
| 08:26.22 | raul | defeated by a simple working command |
| 08:26.24 | simonrvn | do sh -x /etc/.... and see what happens |
| 08:26.24 | raul | :P |
| 08:26.36 | warlocky | erage:/var/cache/apt/archives# sh -x /etc/ |
| 08:26.44 | simonrvn | (and *don't* paste here) |
| 08:26.53 | simonrvn | the full command |
| 08:26.59 | warlocky | sec |
| 08:27.07 | warlocky | no such file or dir |
| 08:27.48 | simonrvn | sh -x /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd start |
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| 08:28.03 | jeanmiiiii | Hi |
| 08:28.12 | warlocky | yeah.. got a bunch of info |
| 08:29.19 | jeanmiiiii | my question might be off-topic .... |
| 08:29.44 | jeanmiiiii | I am looking for a word/phrase in English that would mean "the level of difficulty to solve a problem" |
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| 08:30.04 | Penix | skill level? |
| 08:30.22 | jeanmiiiii | something like "difficulty of correction" |
| 08:30.32 | jeanmiiiii | though this phrase does not seem to really make sense |
| 08:30.57 | jeanmiiiii | <the word/phrase I am lookuing for> : low/high |
| 08:31.28 | xoz | warlocky: try sudo pure-ftpd-wrapper |
| 08:31.31 | jeanmiiiii | basically what I look for is an attribute defining of difficult it is to fix a problem |
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| 08:31.41 | jeanmiiiii | s/of/how/ |
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| 08:32.05 | jeanmiiiii | though correction difficulty seems to have another meaning (if any) |
| 08:32.39 | xoz | it seems that the init script of pure-ftpd is not working |
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| 08:39.09 | WormFood | is there a good visualization pack for xmms included with sid? I searched with "apt-cache search", but couldn't find anything. |
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| 08:39.42 | warlockys | Sorry, internet died - let's see |
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| 08:40.09 | warlockys | xoz: tried sudo pure-ftpd-wrapper, but nothing happened. |
| 08:40.28 | warlockys | my pure-ftpd server worked a while ago, but then it just suddently stopped working |
| 08:40.32 | dokma | hi guys |
| 08:40.50 | dokma | I'm setting my debian for dual monitor config |
| 08:40.52 | xoz | warlockys: nothing means it goes back to shell prompt? |
| 08:40.56 | dokma | need to choose a graphics card |
| 08:41.11 | warlockys | xoz: pretty much, gives me a black line |
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| 08:41.24 | dokma | is any card with a dvi + agp connector capable of dual display? |
| 08:41.38 | dokma | err, dvi + vga connector |
| 08:41.46 | xoz | warlockys: it maybe working. try ftp localhost in another terminal |
| 08:41.51 | warlockys | ok |
| 08:42.12 | warlockys | seems to be working!! |
| 08:42.18 | xoz | warlockys: i suspect the /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd script has some bugs in testing the env variables... hence, it exits |
| 08:42.19 | dokma | specifically I was looking into ATI RADEON 9200 |
| 08:42.28 | dokma | seems to be able to do dual screen |
| 08:42.49 | warlockys | how do I fix it so I can connect to it and get it to work like it should xoz? |
| 08:42.58 | warlockys | It worked with "ftp localhost" in my second terminal |
| 08:43.33 | xoz | warlockys: submit a bug report. i tried to trace the problem but the script needs more familiariztion. what you can do right now is do it manually |
| 08:44.25 | warlockys | im gonna try and see if it works or not, sec |
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| 08:45.45 | warlockys | it seems to be 'working' but it keeps saying I entered the wrong password. |
| 08:47.03 | warlockys | im gonna test to install it manually |
| 08:47.27 | xoz | warlockys: ah. i see now that pure-ftpd is configured to run as inet.... check /etc/inetd.conf |
| 08:48.01 | warlockys | awwww, just un-installed, let me re-install |
| 08:48.29 | warlockys | what am I looking for xoz? |
| 08:48.38 | warlockys | #:STANDARD: These are standard services. |
| 08:48.38 | warlockys | ftp stream tcp nowait root /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 08:49.00 | warlockys | is there a way to change it to 'standalone' xoz? |
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| 08:49.12 | xoz | warlockys: enable inetd and it should work. i think the configuration default is to use inetd |
| 08:49.24 | potato | hey, I have just put another harddrive in my debian machine |
| 08:49.35 | potato | would anyone be able to tell me how I can access it? |
| 08:49.37 | warlockys | let me try |
| 08:50.00 | warlockys | hmm, how do I enable it? what's it called? |
| 08:50.12 | xoz | try sudo inetd |
| 08:50.29 | warlockys | aye.. that did nothing |
| 08:50.58 | xoz | then try ftp localhost |
| 08:51.09 | xoz | ps ax | grep inetd ... should be there |
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| 08:51.42 | warlockys | aye, it's there - atleast it looks like it |
| 08:51.47 | warlockys | nope, cannot connect to it |
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| 08:52.10 | xoz | warlockys: check /etc/inetd.conf ... make sure ftp... is uncommented |
| 08:52.21 | warlockys | aye just did, it is |
| 08:52.25 | warlockys | but it says proftpd, not pure-ftpd |
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| 08:53.08 | xoz | warlockys: try purge and reinstall pure-ftp |
| 08:53.17 | warlockys | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/pure-ftpd-init-script-fails-to-start-server-in-standalone-mode-447400/ |
| 08:53.21 | warlockys | looks like the exact same problem |
| 08:53.22 | potato | xoz: would you be able to help me? :D |
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| 08:53.55 | xoz | potato: ask and we'll see |
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| 08:54.08 | potato | I have just put another harddrive in my debian machine |
| 08:54.16 | potato | how I can access it? |
| 08:54.19 | xoz | warlockys: yep... |
| 08:54.34 | potato | how can I access it?* |
| 08:54.47 | warlockys | xoz: but there doesn't seem to be a solution there |
| 08:55.14 | xoz | potato: fdisk -l /dev/sda or hda or hdb |
| 08:55.29 | warlockys | xoz: do you know how to change 'inetd' to 'standalone'? that might be causing it.. |
| 08:55.29 | xoz | warlockys: if you do inetd, it can |
| 08:55.41 | warlockys | how so? |
| 08:56.01 | xoz | warlockys: you can comment the test for standalone in the script in /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd |
| 08:56.13 | xoz | warlockys: at the start) part |
| 08:57.19 | warlockys | where should I put the # to be exact? |
| 08:57.21 | warlockys | before the start) ? |
| 08:57.39 | xoz | warlockys: well, it hangs. you can try. |
| 08:57.55 | warlockys | /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd: line 63: syntax error near unexpected token `"$STANDALONE_OR_INETD"' |
| 08:58.31 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 08:58.42 | xoz | warlockys: comment also there |
| 08:59.04 | Ace2016_- | is xfs really that bad in terms of data loss? |
| 08:59.05 | potato | okay, xoz: I've done that and it listed my swap and current hdd but not my other one. my hard drive I just put in previously was my main hard drive with debian on it. would that effect it when showing up? |
| 08:59.09 | Ace2016_- | i can't find a good article which shows why xfs is so dangerous |
| 08:59.32 | Ace2016_- | can someone help me find what xfs does that makes it more likely to loose data than say ext3 |
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| 09:00.00 | warlockys | Starting ftp server: Unable to start a standalone server: Address already in use |
| 09:00.02 | arcsky | hey how can i fix so my uesrs on proftpd cant go out from their homedir ? |
| 09:00.23 | xoz | warlockys: check if you another one running |
| 09:00.33 | warlockys | sorry, but how exactly do I do that? |
| 09:00.42 | xoz | ps ax | grep pure |
| 09:00.53 | warlockys | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 12377/inetd |
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| 09:01.06 | xoz | warlockys: killall inetd |
| 09:01.23 | warlockys | "starting ftp server....." |
| 09:01.25 | xoz | and try starting pure.. |
| 09:01.25 | warlockys | let's see if it starts |
| 09:01.32 | warlockys | still prompting same thing.. |
| 09:01.42 | warlockys | o |
| 09:01.46 | xoz | warlockys: yep. it hangs? |
| 09:02.00 | warlockys | yep |
| 09:02.05 | warlockys | looks like it |
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| 09:02.27 | xoz | warlockys: actually, you can ftp localhost now |
| 09:02.54 | mquin | Ace2016_-: from what I can gather the 'issue' concerns data being aggressively cached, so there's a risk data will not be written to disk if you have an unexpected power failure. Given there is a risk of that on just about any file system it's something that you should be protected against if you're dealing with valuable data anyway |
| 09:03.13 | warlockys | sec, I might have found the solution |
| 09:03.33 | rpoisel | hej! i'm using aterm and i have really ugly characters (*curses based apps), but in xterm, everything looks fine, does anybody know what my problem is? |
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| 09:04.19 | warlockys | getting "too many connections from this ip" <- any ideas of how I can fix that? I think it's working.. |
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| 09:04.51 | warlockys | xoz: how do I kill everything on port 21? looks like I've found the solution, I just need to kill everything on port 21 |
| 09:05.50 | xoz | warlockys: port 21 is the port for your ftp |
| 09:06.07 | warlockys | aye, I sorted it out - it had two things running on it for some odd reason..gonna check now |
| 09:06.07 | potato | xoz: how would I access one of those hard drives that were shown? |
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| 09:06.45 | xoz | potato: man mount |
| 09:06.50 | potato | okay |
| 09:06.51 | potato | thanks |
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| 09:07.08 | xoz | potato: or if you are using gnome desktop, it should be detected |
| 09:07.10 | Ace2016_- | mquin: so it caches the writes more then ext3? can we disable the write cache and keep the read cache? |
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| 09:07.24 | itguru | Can anyone recommend a web-based QoS control package? |
| 09:07.49 | potato | I'm not using gnome |
| 09:07.56 | verte | hi! how would one go about finding the configure options used by a debian package? |
| 09:08.45 | nkuttler | verte: apt-get source, see debian/rules |
| 09:09.03 | xoz | verte: dpkg -L <package> | grep /etc |
| 09:09.10 | verte | thankyou |
| 09:09.11 | stew | verte: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian rules |
| 09:09.53 | xoz | potato: then, do the hardway of mounting the filesystem. you have to mount it to be able to access it. |
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| 09:12.40 | potato | xoz: okay |
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| 09:13.11 | Ace2016_- | is finding it too hard to move from xfs to ext3 :( |
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| 09:15.19 | Ace2016_- | you know what, screw this, i've been using xfs all my life and i love it, and i am going to use it! |
| 09:15.38 | Ace2016_- | i tried i so tried, i even made the ext3 partitions and coppied over the data but it feels sooo wrong |
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| 09:15.59 | stew | Ace2016_-: enjoy |
| 09:16.24 | xoz | what's the motivation for moving? if no good reason, stick to what you are familiar |
| 09:16.24 | stew | and buy a battery backup |
| 09:16.28 | Ace2016_- | i will, its for my laptop, i like it to be fast, thats why i got these new hard drives |
| 09:16.42 | Ace2016_- | why a backup? i mean whats the point? |
| 09:16.47 | stew | laptop comes with its own battery backup! |
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| 09:17.06 | stew | Ace2016_-: xfs is notorious for losing data upon power failures |
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| 09:18.08 | Ace2016_- | what do you mean power failures, i've just never ever had one so far either on the desktop or the laptop |
| 09:18.49 | xoz | murphy's law.... |
| 09:19.01 | warlockys | xoz: got it to work! |
| 09:19.01 | quitte | had 3 this year and way more last year. and the power grid here is supposedly very stable |
| 09:19.05 | warlockys | \o/\o/ |
| 09:19.06 | stew | Ace2016_-: like what happens when you just yank the power cord out of your desktop machine |
| 09:19.07 | mquin | Ace2016_-: http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/faq.html#wcache |
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| 09:19.11 | xoz | !beer warlockys |
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| 09:19.26 | warlockys | cheers for ya help. Appreciate it a lot! |
| 09:19.44 | xoz | warlockys: gotta go... bye for now. |
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| 09:22.27 | dubbaluga | hi! does anybody know, how i can debian let settings in the /etc/default directory apply without a restart? |
| 09:22.30 | Ace2016_- | so i just disable write cache, simple right? |
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| 09:25.48 | damnnazi | man locale talks about the setlocale commmand but its not in debian packages, has the name changed ? |
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| 09:26.04 | el | Is there a way to bookmark the frequent commands |
| 09:26.05 | el | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.09 | Ace2016_- | konversation just crashed :( |
| 09:26.16 | damnnazi | el: no |
| 09:26.23 | damnnazi | el: history |
| 09:26.43 | Ace2016_- | i mean xorg just crashed, now programs are crashing left right and center |
| 09:27.00 | el | thank you damnnazi |
| 09:27.06 | damnnazi | el: add somewhere: alias h='history' |
| 09:27.28 | gynterk | is it possible to convert wma to ogg lossless? |
| 09:27.38 | damnnazi | how do i change my locale from UTF-8 to ISO-xxxx ? |
| 09:28.26 | Crissi | dpkg.reconfigure locales |
| 09:28.31 | Crissi | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 09:28.33 | damnnazi | tnks |
| 09:28.47 | Crissi | alternativly... |
| 09:29.05 | Crissi | set as shell variable... LANG |
| 09:29.09 | Crissi | or LC_ALL |
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| 09:31.55 | Daemonus | does anyone know the vga=number for the 1920x1200 resolution? |
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| 09:33.54 | damnnazi | is there a command to set the keyboard repeat rate ? |
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| 09:35.15 | jelly-home | damnnazi: xset can be used in X. |
| 09:35.44 | streuner | !listvals xset |
| 09:35.46 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'xset' by value (10): qotd131 ;; xfstt ;; bell ;; dpms ;; big fonts ;; truetype ;; msttcorefonts #DEL# ;; key delay ;; screen blanking ;; silence speaker. |
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| 09:36.20 | rmichel | Daemonus: vesa i think can only 1280x1024 (0x31b) |
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| 09:36.46 | jelly-home | !key delay |
| 09:36.46 | dpkg | key delay is probably 'xset r [[on|off] rate #delay [#rate]]' (see man xset for details), or entry "AutoRepeat" in section "InputDevice" |
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| 09:37.59 | dpy | hi guys |
| 09:38.01 | jelly-home | !qotd131 |
| 09:38.01 | dpkg | < Raf256> wazup < Raf256> how can I change repeat rate and delay? < Raf256> in X < asg> Raf256: man xset < Raf256> asg: ok \o/ < Raf256> asg: oohh ddddaaaammnn < Raf256> ssssttuuppiiddd rrreeepppaaaattt rrrraaattee |
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| 09:39.07 | streuner | hehe |
| 09:39.19 | dpy | I moved my swap partition from /dev/hda5 to /dev/hda2, but now I get (upon start): resume: Could not stat resume device file /dev/hda5 |
| 09:39.24 | dpy | anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 09:39.42 | damnnazi | how you moved it ? |
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| 09:39.55 | dpy | delete, and recreated at another location |
| 09:40.02 | dpy | then did a mkswap /dev/hda2 |
| 09:40.09 | dpy | and updated fstab |
| 09:40.26 | Daemonus | im gonna try to use 799 which is 24bit 1600x1200, thanks anyway rmichel |
| 09:40.37 | jelly-home | dpy: adapt your boot loader configuration to tell the kernel something like resume=/dev/hda2 instead of resume=/dev/hda5. /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:40.38 | malifal | hello, i'm trying to capture the kernel boot output that is before it starts running the init scripts, i tried ctrl+s and shift+PgUp but it kept scrolling down, the output did not pause, any hints? |
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| 09:41.27 | jelly-home | I wonder whether resume=LABEL=foo would work |
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| 09:43.51 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:43.51 | dpkg | < dodoherty> nanok, it's cheap and it's 19 inches you're probably right. |
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| 09:44.35 | dpy | jelly-home: merci, worked |
| 09:44.55 | dpy | jelly-home: I did a grep on hda5 on /etc, but I should've also tried /boot obviously |
| 09:46.36 | jelly-home | dpy: yeah, grub configuration is found in an unusual place |
| 09:46.48 | rmichel | Daemonus: np |
| 09:47.11 | rmichel | Daemonus: is that vesa ? |
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| 09:49.13 | Daemonus | nop |
| 09:49.24 | themill | apt-listchanges fix is <reply>Getting a lovely "bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError" from apt-listchanges? aptitude install db4.6-util db4.5-util && mv /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db.old && db4.6_dump /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db.old | db4.5_load /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db |
| 09:49.31 | themill | dpkg: apt-listchanges fix is <reply>Getting a lovely "bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError" from apt-listchanges? aptitude install db4.6-util db4.5-util && mv /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db.old && db4.6_dump /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db.old | db4.5_load /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db |
| 09:49.31 | dpkg | themill: okay |
| 09:49.33 | themill | bah |
| 09:49.36 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 09:49.36 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
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| 09:49.58 | damnnazi | ssoo iiff tthhee rraaatteee iiss ttoo ffaasstt |
| 09:50.05 | damnnazi | tthheenn hhooww ddoo ii ffiixx iitt |
| 09:50.46 | liable | !qotd131 |
| 09:50.46 | dpkg | < Raf256> wazup < Raf256> how can I change repeat rate and delay? < Raf256> in X < asg> Raf256: man xset < Raf256> asg: ok \o/ < Raf256> asg: oohh ddddaaaammnn < Raf256> ssssttuuppiiddd rrreeepppaaaattt rrrraaattee |
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| 09:51.55 | amphi | heh |
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| 09:53.24 | liable | or check demsg when it loads |
| 09:53.32 | liable | echan |
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| 09:54.09 | soul9 | hi all |
| 09:54.14 | cizzi | hi soul9 |
| 09:54.22 | eth01 | morning |
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| 09:54.25 | cizzi | how r u |
| 09:54.28 | soul9 | yea, morning |
| 09:54.35 | soul9 | good, n yall? |
| 09:54.38 | cizzi | good |
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| 09:54.50 | eth01 | no, have patients soon ;) (work) |
| 09:55.00 | soul9 | i'm just wondering about making a local repo for stable, does anyone know the size of the repo? |
| 09:55.03 | quitte | really hope that I'll see the day that everyone in the channel replies to hi all |
| 09:55.05 | soul9 | heh |
| 09:56.05 | malifal | skd |
| 09:56.48 | quitte | soul9: you could find out how many dvds stable needs and use that for a pretty good guess |
| 09:56.55 | miksuh | soul9: Well Etch is 3 DVDs |
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| 09:57.02 | quitte | per arch |
| 09:57.11 | soul9 | that's not bad |
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| 09:57.30 | soul9 | like 15gigs or so |
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| 09:58.55 | malifal | 's question is still unanswered, /query malifal for exclusive repeat of the question |
| 09:59.14 | basanta | my iso > 700, how can I safely strip down the size? |
| 09:59.25 | Daemonus | rmichel: it is vesa |
| 09:59.28 | miksuh | soul9: remeber that that's just main-section, if you want to mirror contrib and non-free too then you need a bit more space |
| 09:59.45 | miksuh | not much |
| 10:00.15 | petemc | malifal: look in /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 10:00.25 | soul9 | ugh |
| 10:00.31 | soul9 | just main 15gigs??? |
| 10:00.44 | themill | !dstats |
| 10:00.50 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 23028 packages, 1915 maintainers, 60166 MB installed size, 21100 MB compressed size. |
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| 10:01.25 | malifal | petemc: BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No, thank you so much |
| 10:01.46 | miksuh | soul9: yeah, contrib and non-free stuuf is not on those DVDs |
| 10:01.52 | miksuh | stuff |
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| 10:02.25 | miksuh | just main |
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| 10:06.27 | Daemonus | if i use vga=ask will it ask me to which res i want? |
| 10:06.45 | liable | Daemonus: yes, it will give you choices |
| 10:07.08 | Daemonus | cheers man |
| 10:07.09 | sajes | After doing dist-upgrade, apt-get tells me that there are packages installed that aren't needed anymore, but they are. Like GDM and gedit. |
| 10:07.46 | sajes | So what should I do about that? |
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| 10:09.04 | damnnazi | echo [packagename] hold | dpkg --set-selections |
| 10:10.40 | damnnazi | # prevent a package from upgrading |
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| 10:11.35 | themill | !tell sajes about unmarkauto |
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| 10:14.36 | nic_moe | hi, does the following command route my extern ip adress intern? "iptables -t nat -A prerouting -p TCP -d 123.456.789.000 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.1" |
| 10:14.41 | damnnazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.52 | damnnazi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.59 | damnnazi | echo "Pin-Priority: 1001" >> /etc/apt/preferences |
| 10:15.09 | damnnazi | # pin package ${pkg} version ${pkgversion} |
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| 10:17.31 | petemc | nic_moe: looks ok, tho you havent specified a porn number |
| 10:17.43 | themill | heh |
| 10:17.51 | petemc | oops |
| 10:18.01 | petemc | that wasnt freudian |
| 10:18.05 | themill | petemc: sure |
| 10:18.08 | petemc | :) |
| 10:18.25 | nic_moe | petemc: are then all ports forwarded? |
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| 10:18.39 | petemc | nic_moe: im not sure, one way to find out |
| 10:18.39 | DawnLight | i'm the supervisor, give me the taxi number |
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| 10:19.17 | urv | hi everyone. Does anyone know of a good document management (scientific papers) in debian? |
| 10:19.40 | subir | hi, which version of kde is available in lenny? |
| 10:20.01 | DawnLight | urv: a wiki? |
| 10:20.21 | themill | urv: jabref |
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| 10:20.55 | urv | DawnLight: no something like a list - you can insert and remove papers refs from |
| 10:21.00 | urv | themill: thnx checking out |
| 10:21.28 | themill | urv: jabref uses bibtex as its backend and integrates nicely into lyx, kile etc for editing. It's in sid but it's java so you can grab the sid package with no troubles. (just make sure you use sun java with it, I think( |
| 10:21.58 | urv | themill: yope that's the thing i was looking for - thnx a lot! |
| 10:22.59 | damnnazi | nic_moe [n=nic@p578b4baa.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] |
| 10:23.53 | ArtVandalae | subir, you can check on packages.debian.org |
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| 10:26.44 | DawnLight | if my root filesystem is mounted read-only, i can't mount anything anywhere, right? |
| 10:27.04 | damnnazi | ofcourse not |
| 10:27.16 | damnnazi | you can still mount everything everywhere |
| 10:27.23 | subir | ArtVanda1ae, ok |
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| 10:28.14 | damnnazi | at least in theory yuo could |
| 10:28.23 | itguru | Is there a good script available that can help me to implement QoS on a gateway machine? |
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| 10:30.24 | dustybin | is there a way to turn off 'view unsafe' images from squirrelmail ? |
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| 10:33.03 | efaistos | the virtualbox in lenny is not working ? |
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| 10:34.47 | sep | i have 3 instances running right now |
| 10:35.06 | damnnazi | -[now playing]- : 04_Josquin_Desprez_-_Pater_Noster.mp3 |
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| 10:35.32 | jelly-home | efaistos: um, are you talking about virtualbox-ose from the distro, or running virtualbox (non-free) on lenny? |
| 10:35.40 | efaistos | ose |
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| 10:35.54 | jelly-home | the latter works fine for me, fwiw |
| 10:36.09 | efaistos | hmmm |
| 10:36.16 | efaistos | what kernel ? |
| 10:36.31 | jelly-home | 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 10:36.49 | efaistos | ok i'll check tonight again then |
| 10:36.50 | efaistos | :P |
| 10:36.56 | efaistos | didnt use it yet |
| 10:37.04 | efaistos | I used vmware a couple of times |
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| 10:37.19 | efaistos | is the installation of guests the same thing ? |
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| 10:37.34 | sly007 | Hello, i installed apache2 php5 mysql-server php5-mysql, and phpinfo doesn't show anything about mysql |
| 10:37.37 | sly007 | is that normal? |
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| 10:38.13 | jelly-home | efaistos: it's similar enough |
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| 10:39.13 | sly007 | any idea ? |
| 10:39.16 | efaistos | jelly-home: i saw on a screenshot cdrom/dvd image.iso ... so can we use an iso for the installation and not the cdrom ? |
| 10:39.29 | jelly-home | efaistos: yes. |
| 10:39.35 | efaistos | jelly-home: nice |
| 10:40.37 | jelly-home | Real hardware can be installed from iso images these days, physical cds are rather quaint. ;-) |
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| 10:41.24 | dustybin | ^^^ look whos the clever one?! :P |
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| 10:44.26 | sajes | HAL is spitting out a weird error upon boot. "starting hardware abstraction layer: haldhdc: ide_intr: huh? expected NULL handler on exit .", and this is after upgrading debian. I'm on Lenny, and google doesn't help me. |
| 10:44.52 | damnnazi | lol |
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| 10:45.02 | xand | spanks debhelper |
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| 10:46.02 | Agiofws | whats does hal do |
| 10:46.56 | mib_6s7lisqi | hardware abstract layer |
| 10:48.57 | dazoe | how do i tell pure-ftp to listen on a specifc ip? |
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| 10:49.55 | icesword | listen? maybe you mean "allow" |
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| 10:51.34 | messju | hi, "ps wuax" is giving me just the uid as number and not the name for a logged in user. what could be the reason? (this user and uid is in /etc/passwd) |
| 10:51.39 | damnnazi | after loading usb-storage i get this error: ls: cannot access /dev/sda*: No such file or directory |
| 10:52.14 | dazoe | icesword: no i mean listen |
| 10:52.30 | icesword | hmm, hehe |
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| 10:58.37 | dazoe | NVM: found it.. how by reading through the scripts that start the damn thing. i'd like to make a suggestion. if you make a wrapper to start a service DOCUMENT IT!!! |
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| 11:01.50 | bvk | hi all, is there any alternative to sleepd package which uses acpi (instead of apm) ? |
| 11:02.05 | Violetbass | http://wiki.debianforum.de/JavaPackageGenerator |
| 11:02.06 | damnnazi | when i plugin a memstick there is no new /dev/sda* device made |
| 11:02.07 | sly007 | Hello, how do I upgrade from 4.0r2 to 4.0r3? |
| 11:02.40 | damnnazi | why when i plugin a memstick is there no new /dev/sda* device made |
| 11:03.14 | damnnazi | the memstick is flashing a green light |
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| 11:03.24 | quitte | damnnazi: did you look for /dev/sd* ? |
| 11:03.44 | damnnazi | ls: cannot access /dev/sda*: No such file or directory |
| 11:04.11 | damnnazi | /dev/sd* is the same error |
| 11:04.23 | quitte | ok. did you make your own kernel? |
| 11:04.32 | bvk | damnnazi: can u paste output of dmesg command |
| 11:04.33 | quitte | damnnazi: does lsusb show the stick? |
| 11:04.35 | damnnazi | no |
| 11:04.47 | dustybin | when i hosting company says no IRCD on our servers please, would it be ok to run a IRC client? |
| 11:04.50 | dustybin | *a |
| 11:04.53 | Violetbass | what a license is that? |
| 11:05.03 | damnnazi | $ lsusb |
| 11:05.05 | damnnazi | Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0a5c:200a Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth dongle |
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| 11:05.13 | dutchfish | bvk, sleepd supports both standard |
| 11:05.15 | mquin | dustybin: ask them |
| 11:05.26 | damnnazi | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
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| 11:05.34 | quitte | damnnazi: that memory stick is a bluetooth dongle? |
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| 11:06.02 | damnnazi | yes its a bluetooth usb adapter |
| 11:06.13 | quitte | damnnazi: ok. think about it. |
| 11:06.26 | bvk | dutchfish: ok then i will stick to sleepd :) |
| 11:08.35 | sly007 | Hello, how do I upgrade from 4.0r2 to 4.0r3? |
| 11:09.00 | quitte | sly007: just do your normal package upgrades |
| 11:09.19 | dutchfish | bvk, powersaved would be althernative |
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| 11:10.45 | bvk | dutchfish: yeah, but it depends on kde libs :( |
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| 11:11.33 | bvk | dutchfish: i am looking for something which can trigger sleep in console mode |
| 11:11.54 | dutchfish | bvk, yes, dont forget that a lot of hardware isnt reactivated properly in the stable kernel after sleep, there are still issues wich hopefully be solved in the newer kernels and lenny |
| 11:12.50 | dutchfish | bvk, apt-cache acpi there are maybe more ways |
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| 11:13.19 | dutchfish | bvk, like athcool |
| 11:13.20 | nevyn | so is there an application in debian that can open remote desktop invitations ? |
| 11:13.21 | bvk | dutchfish: s2ram was working fine when i executed it manually, so it should work without problems right? |
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| 11:13.32 | damnnazi | $ ./MAKEDEV sda |
| 11:13.32 | damnnazi | udev active, devices will be created in /dev/.static/dev/ |
| 11:13.45 | dutchfish | bvk, depends and state |
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| 11:13.58 | dutchfish | bvk, but yes |
| 11:13.58 | damnnazi | now how do i get the devices into /dev/ instead of /dev/.static |
| 11:14.00 | heroxbd | Hi. I am using Samba+Cups to provide printing service to a windows client. When I print in Windows as A4. The printer on linux prints as B5. (The default paper size of cups is A4). I don't know what's going on? How can I debug it? |
| 11:14.48 | bvk | dutchfish: ok |
| 11:15.48 | bvk | dutchfish: did u mean ethtool above ? |
| 11:16.00 | dutchfish | bvk, athcool |
| 11:16.08 | dutchfish | !info athcool etch |
| 11:16.10 | dpkg | athcool: (tool to enable powersaving mode for Athlon/Duron processors), section misc, is extra. Version: 0.3.11-1 (etch), Packaged size: 15 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 11:16.19 | damnnazi | lets try and kill the udev daemon |
| 11:16.34 | bvk | dutchfish: ok my bad i misread it :( |
| 11:16.35 | quitte | damnnazi: bluetooth sticks are no memsticks. not getting a sd* device is absolutely normal. |
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| 11:17.24 | dutchfish | bvk, if energy saving is your concern use powertop |
| 11:17.38 | ma3x | debian:/home/ma3x# modprobe speedstep-centrino |
| 11:17.38 | ma3x | FATAL: Error inserting speedstep_centrino (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/speedstep-centrino.ko): No such device |
| 11:17.45 | ma3x | why do i get that? how do i load that module? |
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| 11:19.07 | damnnazi | quitte: its no memstick ?! |
| 11:19.27 | quitte | no. it's bluetooth. look it up on wikipedia |
| 11:19.51 | damnnazi | then what is it ?! it doenst VIBRATE either ! |
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| 11:20.24 | damnnazi | !bluetooth |
| 11:20.24 | dpkg | it has been said that bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 11:20.58 | BleSS | where coulld I put all personal files as audio, video and data? I want not them in ~/ ($HOME) because I could delete them, since I work a lot of from shell |
| 11:21.05 | |bb7| | how can I get a list of files which contain a specified string? |
| 11:21.14 | damnnazi | holy cow its some kind of evil connection device |
| 11:21.42 | dutchfish | BleSS, on setup you could make a separate aprtition for data as i do for that purpose |
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| 11:21.57 | dutchfish | s/aprtition/partition |
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| 11:22.32 | BleSS | dutchfish: as /home/data or /srv/data? |
| 11:22.40 | jelly-home | ma3x: use acpi-cpufreq instead? |
| 11:23.02 | ma3x | jelly-home: thanks, did that! |
| 11:23.11 | ma3x | you know what's the module name for cpu freq policy? |
| 11:23.13 | dutchfish | BleSS, 1. /data (for access read only by all users) 2. a NFS/SAMBA mount on /mnt/foo |
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| 11:23.20 | quitte | damnnazi: may I ask where you got it from? |
| 11:23.30 | damnnazi | someone must have left it here on PURPOSE for ME to find it hoping that i would plug it in in the misunderstanding that it was a MEMSTICK |
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| 11:23.59 | BleSS | dutchfish: ok, thanks |
| 11:24.03 | jelly-home | ma3x: there are four of those, you probably want cpufreq-ondemand |
| 11:24.26 | damnnazi | UNPLUGS the connection device |
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| 11:24.51 | ma3x | jelly-home: why do i see this in 'kpowersave' - cpu frequency policy not supported |
| 11:25.00 | dutchfish | BleSS, important data i keep on dif machine (server) wich is mounted locally so i have it available on all machines i work |
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| 11:25.25 | jelly-home | ma3x: I don't know about kde. |
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| 11:26.08 | dutchfish | damnnazi, could be a crypt dongle too |
| 11:26.28 | quitte | no. lsusb clearly identified it as bluetooth dongle |
| 11:26.28 | Christoph_vW | do I read the following correct (just one vg)? |
| 11:26.29 | Christoph_vW | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:26.29 | Christoph_vW | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:27.20 | dutchfish | damnnazi, agcad dongles for example are also misunderstood by linux |
| 11:27.23 | Christoph_vW | I had two vg's (vg-root and data) until I tried to resize one of them |
| 11:27.43 | mib_6s7lisqi | Hi! does anybody use Sid? is it indeed unstable? |
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| 11:27.57 | damnnazi | dutchfish: im busy burning it |
| 11:28.05 | jelly-home | !tell mib_6s7lisqi about unstable |
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| 11:28.37 | darksk1ez | mib_6s7lisqi: ive used sid for years, its 'stable' as an os, but not 'stable' as a release/distribution, so you have to be able to fix things when the packaging system all goes wrong :) |
| 11:28.51 | damnnazi | dutchfish: at the stake |
| 11:28.56 | quitte | damnnazi: wtf! why do you burn perfectly good hardware. wait I already know |
| 11:29.06 | jelly-home | mib_6s7lisqi: use "/msg dpkg sid faq" to ask the bot about more information |
| 11:29.18 | dutchfish | damnnazi, could be expensive to destroy it ;) |
| 11:29.45 | quitte | i hope so |
| 11:29.55 | dutchfish | ;) |
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| 11:31.56 | mib_6s7lisqi | darksk1ez: does the packaging system usually go bad? |
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| 11:32.34 | damnnazi | no almost never only on rare occasions |
| 11:33.03 | darksk1ez | mib_6s7lisqi: not usally, but if you cant fix complicated problems with linux/debian, i would advice you give it a miss for a while |
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| 11:33.08 | dazoe | OMG: onw problem after another |
| 11:33.21 | Arafangion | Hey, how do I get my wireless card working in my laptop? |
| 11:33.36 | dazoe | pure-ftpd won't work in a vserver |
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| 11:33.44 | liable | Arafangion: you should have some clue by now.. |
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| 11:34.06 | dutchfish | dazoe, nonsens |
| 11:34.23 | Arafangion | liable: I'm hoping that there's a one-line magic command, if someone has already got it working, why should I have to bother figuring it out myself? |
| 11:34.25 | dazoe | dutchfish: ??? |
| 11:34.47 | Arafangion | liable: I do know that it needs a binary blob. |
| 11:34.53 | dutchfish | dazoe, if you vserver is setup correctly it will work |
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| 11:35.07 | Arafangion | It's an Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG, in any case. |
| 11:35.13 | dazoe | dutchfish: care to explain? |
| 11:35.16 | dutchfish | dazoe, but why not use vsftpd? |
| 11:35.22 | dutchfish | dazoe, xen? |
| 11:35.29 | vinilios | any cmd to display what files are using a specific module ? (not other modules) |
| 11:35.57 | liable | Arafangion: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 11:36.00 | mib_6s7lisqi | darksk1ez: got it! maybe I should try this. Thanks! |
| 11:36.02 | dazoe | dutchfish: i like pure-ftp... |
| 11:36.05 | quitte | vinilios: that doesn't make sense |
| 11:36.09 | Arafangion | liable: Exactly what I was after, thanks. |
| 11:36.18 | liable | np |
| 11:36.24 | dutchfish | dazoe, what vserver? xen, qemu, what? |
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| 11:36.38 | dazoe | dutchfish: vserver |
| 11:37.55 | dutchfish | dazoe, mm.. i dont use that |
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| 11:38.00 | vinilios | quitte, :) |
| 11:38.21 | dazoe | dutchfish: do you host vservers? |
| 11:38.29 | dutchfish | dazoe, offtopic |
| 11:38.36 | jelly-home | quitte: what about "what userspace resources I need to destroy to be able to rmmod this?" |
| 11:38.39 | Agiofws | hey guys i'm trying to compile gimp on debian and i am getting this error |
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| 11:38.57 | vinilios | jelly-home, exactly |
| 11:39.04 | SlayerXP | Agiofws: aptitude install gimp |
| 11:39.08 | quitte | jelly ok. but a process most definately is not a fle |
| 11:39.09 | Agiofws | nope |
| 11:39.14 | Agiofws | i need 2.4.5 |
| 11:39.17 | dutchfish | dazoe, but i advise you to delve into xen/kvm/qemu and the likes if you are serious about virtual serving |
| 11:39.17 | dazoe | dutchfish: not really.. i can use a different vserver if i have to. eg: xen openvz... |
| 11:39.56 | dutchfish | dazoe, on xen i dont have those problems neither in openvz |
| 11:40.05 | quitte | vinilios: do you know what /dev is associated eith that module? |
| 11:40.24 | Agiofws | hey guys i'm trying to compile gimp on debian and i am getting this error |
| 11:40.25 | Agiofws | http://rafb.net/p/xjDGZp92.html |
| 11:40.31 | jelly-home | vinilios, quitte: it could be a file, a socket (named or unnamed), some ipc resource, mount point... no easy answer. Which module? |
| 11:40.35 | damnnazi | vinilios: maybe you mean : fuser - identify processes using files or socket |
| 11:40.51 | vinilios | usbcore |
| 11:40.58 | quitte | jelly-home: how could it possibly be a file? |
| 11:41.04 | dazoe | dutchfish: you've used openvz? |
| 11:41.15 | dutchfish | dazoe, not used but use, yes |
| 11:41.24 | quitte | vinilios: usbcore is only used by other modules afaik |
| 11:41.46 | jelly-home | quitte: hm... a file on a mounted fs. or a file in /sys or /proc |
| 11:41.54 | dutchfish | dazoe, but i tend to make use of xen more nowadays, and expirimenting with kvm |
| 11:41.57 | vinilios | quitte, "usbcore 109444 1" |
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| 11:42.03 | Arafangion | liable: Perfect, thanks. :) It's funny that while I was at uni, I would do a heck alot more with my computer than I do now, working full time. |
| 11:42.21 | dazoe | dutchfish: which do you think would be eiser for me xen or openvz? |
| 11:42.24 | jelly-home | vinilios: and no other modules depend on it? |
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| 11:42.30 | dutchfish | dazoe, xen, by far |
| 11:42.38 | ma3x | where do you edit the default dm? |
| 11:42.43 | vinilios | actually to be more specific is there any way to replug (reset, restart) remotely a usb device without restart ? |
| 11:42.43 | dutchfish | dazoe, its native in debian etch |
| 11:42.47 | vinilios | jelly-home, no |
| 11:42.48 | quitte | vinilios: lsmod|grep usbcore |
| 11:42.49 | ma3x | sorry, where do you edit the default wm? |
| 11:42.49 | dazoe | hmmm, ok i'll try it out... |
| 11:43.08 | vinilios | quitte, "usbcore 109444 1" |
| 11:43.24 | dutchfish | dazoe, for desktop emulations is use alot kvm/qemu or kqemu/qemu |
| 11:43.40 | Arafangion | spends all day programming on windows. |
| 11:44.05 | dutchfish | dutchfish, very easy to setup |
| 11:44.12 | dazoe | dutchfish: i'm useing it for a server. i want a virtual server for a project. |
| 11:44.24 | dutchfish | dazoe, then i would give xen a go |
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| 11:44.48 | dutchfish | dazoe, on etch that is |
| 11:45.02 | dazoe | i'm on etch... |
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| 11:45.42 | dutchfish | dazoe, if you have decent hardware then xen/lvm2 is excellent (performance) |
| 11:45.43 | jelly-home | vinilios: [restart an usb device] dunno, but if you find out please tell. :-) |
| 11:45.55 | vinilios | :) |
| 11:46.44 | dazoe | dutchfish: my only problem is it's a remote server. when i install the xen kernel what are the chances of it not booting? |
| 11:47.05 | jelly-home | vinilios: if it uses a kernel driver, you could try modprobing it manually |
| 11:48.06 | dutchfish | dazoe, yak, installing xen (depending on the hardware) can be tricky. I advise to learn the merrits fist on a test machine before converting a remote production server. I never would dream of doing that myself. I would do that on the console. |
| 11:48.40 | dazoe | dutchfish: and what about openvz? |
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| 11:49.07 | dutchfish | dazoe, the same, but it could giv emore problems then xen |
| 11:50.04 | dutchfish | dazoe, is your part. already lvm2? hardware raid? |
| 11:50.04 | dazoe | nope |
| 11:50.04 | dutchfish | dazoe, then dont |
| 11:50.05 | dazoe | don't? why's that? |
| 11:50.05 | vinilios | jelly-home, i did rmmod ds2490 (the device driver) rmmod ehci_hcd ohci_hcd and after that i modprobed all 3 of them and now device doesn't appear in lsusb |
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| 11:52.28 | dazoe | dutchfish: maybe i'll just change ftp servers |
| 11:52.30 | dutchfish | dazoe, because to get performance out of it you need lvm2, wich can be tricky to install remotely |
| 11:52.40 | dutchfish | dazoe, use vsftpd |
| 11:52.57 | dazoe | dutchfish: does that support mysql auth? |
| 11:52.57 | dutchfish | dazoe, much cleaner codebase |
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| 11:53.23 | cyberagent | Somebody is sending fake e-mails to me, using some smtp server. but now I get: X-Message-Delivery: randomcharsAndNUmbers. How do I decode this to an IP? |
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| 11:53.34 | dutchfish | dazoe, http://howtoforge.com/vsftpd_mysql_debian_etch |
| 11:53.45 | dazoe | yeah i'm there allready |
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| 11:54.22 | Mobius0345 | Good morning. Can anyone help me remove authentication from Debian 4 for local login, and samba shares? |
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| 11:55.53 | \amethyst | cyberagent: why not look at Received: ? |
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| 11:56.14 | troythetechguy | Good morning all! |
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| 11:56.31 | Mobius0345 | Good morninh |
| 11:56.38 | zarac | is there a command that replaces locate? .. on all 5 of my debian boxes the locate command has dissapeared during updates.. |
| 11:56.49 | cyberagent | \amethyst, it only displayts some mta adress, but no ip of the person who send it. |
| 11:56.58 | troythetechguy | On my debian box all system mail is sent to the first user I created - myself. Is this normal, or should the mail be going to root? |
| 11:57.06 | dutchfish | Mobius0345, you mean remove samba service? |
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| 11:57.25 | sajes | zarac: try apt-get install slocate |
| 11:57.33 | mib_6s7lisqi | zarac: find? |
| 11:57.41 | cyberagent | \amethyst, http://pastebin.com/m560b1d5f |
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| 11:58.33 | Mobius0345 | dutch- I've made a box for local file serving purposes. I'd like to be able to set it off in a corner, and forget it, with only power and LAN cables attached. But I can't, because Debian wants you to login with user/pass. Same with Samba, I would prefer to have shares available without the need to enter a user/pass |
| 11:58.57 | Mobius0345 | I will happily accept help on either of the two issues :) |
| 11:59.54 | tolecnal | Mobius0345: how do you access your Samba fileserver? By that, I mean with what operating system? |
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| 12:00.03 | zarac | sajes mib_6s7lisqi ... yes i've reinstalled locate on them... but i thought maybe there was a replacement.. ... find isn't really the same thing is it? it doesn't search from an index? |
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| 12:00.16 | Mobius0345 | tolecnal- linux and WinXP |
| 12:00.22 | dutchfish | Mobius0345, samba does not need a local user to login, its a service |
| 12:00.45 | dazoe | vsftpd doesn't have support for quotas does it? |
| 12:00.57 | Mobius0345 | dutch- well, I guess it's a problem with default config, then, because the shares are available, but require login |
| 12:00.57 | fasta | Does anyone have the new version of Google Earth running properly on a recent Debian Unstable? |
| 12:01.22 | tolecnal | Mobius0345: well, in either way you can have samba user passwords or make everyone be able to use it. You can also have the OS that accesses the Samba server, store the login credentials so that you don't have to enter them manually every time you use the file server. |
| 12:01.23 | fasta | (as it crashes here) |
| 12:01.24 | dutchfish | Mobius0345, you can make your shares available to all users |
| 12:01.37 | dutchfish | Mobius0345, man smb.conf |
| 12:01.56 | tolecnal | Mobius0345: there are like a million howto's on how to configure Samba |
| 12:02.03 | mib_6s7lisqi | zarac: actually i am a newbie.sorry. |
| 12:02.07 | Mobius0345 | yeah, I've been going through text files on smb.conf, I thought security = share was supposed to do it, I dunno what I'm missing |
| 12:02.08 | tolecnal | Mobius0345: or if you're really lazy, install SWAT. |
| 12:02.17 | dutchfish | Mobius0345, yes samba has alot of bells and whistles |
| 12:02.29 | Mobius0345 | tolecnal- what if I'm only marginally lazy? Is SWAT right for me? |
| 12:02.31 | Mobius0345 | :D |
| 12:02.38 | sajes | zarac: There's mlocate, but I don't know how to use that. |
| 12:02.51 | fasta | Did SWAT improve in the last few years? |
| 12:02.57 | \amethyst | cyberagent: if you trust the MTAs listed in the Received: chain, there's X-Originating-Ip: [216.139.185.36] |
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| 12:03.24 | \amethyst | cyberagent: but all that stuff can be forged |
| 12:03.27 | Mobius0345 | yeah, I think I could keep reading on smb.conf and get it. I've done it before, I just don't remember what I did. I'm more concerned with how to have Debian automatically login to a certain user on boot... Anyone know a way to do that? |
| 12:03.31 | fasta | Last time I used it, I was not amused. |
| 12:03.37 | tolecnal | Mobius0345: well, if you have this file server only accessible on your local network I guess it's not a bad thing to use SWAT if you are marginally lazy. But on a public server, I would not recommend using SWAT. |
| 12:04.00 | tolecnal | fasta: it's still dodgy, but for entry level users it works |
| 12:04.09 | cyberagent | \amethyst, this asshole has been using smtp servers to scam people. |
| 12:04.11 | dutchfish | Mobius0345, http://micheljansen.org/blog/entry/182 |
| 12:04.40 | zarac | thanks anyways mib_6s7lisqi and sajes =D |
| 12:05.33 | dutchfish | Mobius0345, setting up a public share is not that hard |
| 12:06.11 | Mobius0345 | much obliged, dutch :) I know, I know, that's why it's bugging the crap out of me. I had this running in like 20 minutes on Debian 3, and I can't figure out what I'm neglecting.. |
| 12:07.30 | dutchfish | Mobius0345, some hints: same workgroup names (case sensitive), samba users (smbpasswd), correct syntax in smb.conf |
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| 12:09.31 | humbolto | on fsck.ext3 after saying y to some force rewrite action, I get resize inode not valid. recreate? what should I do? |
| 12:09.31 | Mobius0345 | okay, so I may have it. After altering smb.conf, can I just stop and restart the samba service, or should I reboot entirely? |
| 12:09.51 | dutchfish | Mobius0345, that simple /etc/init.d/samba reload |
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| 12:10.55 | dutchfish | Mobius0345, if you change nmbd settings (wich isnt neccesary) /etc/init.d/samba restart |
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| 12:11.45 | LimCore | how to choose a mobo that will not fail in linux? |
| 12:12.03 | LimCore | I checked 3 mobos, so far: 1) dunno 2) dunno 3) sound will not work |
| 12:12.09 | LimCore | according to google |
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| 12:12.30 | hackeron_ | Anyone using an opensource voip client as a speakerphone? |
| 12:12.33 | Mobius0345 | Limcore- what brands? it sounds more like driver problem than incompatible mobo.. That's pretty rare these days |
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| 12:13.07 | LimCore | Mobius0345: thats pretty common, most mobos fial in linux - especially about sound support (or - sound works, but Mic/line in doesnt) |
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| 12:13.24 | LimCore | Mobius0345: I choose from Gigabyte mobos currently |
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| 12:13.45 | LimCore | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.11 | LimCore | 2) chipset 790FX + SB600 |
| 12:14.26 | Mobius0345 | MOST motherboards fail in linux? That's absolutely not true. I've got like 40 distros, which I've installed or ran live on at least 30 machines... it's not 100%, but most work flawlessly with the 2.4 kernel |
| 12:14.58 | LimCore | Mobius0345: around half computers on debian or ubuntu I seen, had trouble with sound support. did you test mic in as well? |
| 12:15.16 | LimCore | anyway, what about chipsets AMD 790X + SB600 ? |
| 12:15.21 | Mobius0345 | oh, well, yeah, I dunno about a gigabyte motherboard. I'll skimp on peripherals before the guts of the system.. I prefer Asus, MSI, etc.. |
| 12:15.48 | Mobius0345 | Limcore- yeah, I play games, and my last Debian I had running TeamSpeak for me, with bridged audio lines |
| 12:15.49 | abrotman | LimCore: you'd have to give us an actual sound chipset .. not some random mobo number |
| 12:15.58 | Mobius0345 | worked perfectly, set it up in like 10 minutes.. |
| 12:16.20 | abrotman | LimCore: as far as choosing a board .. the intel stuff usually works pretty well |
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| 12:16.53 | fasta | I had sound on a gigabyte motherboards 6 years ago. Why wouldn't it work today? |
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| 12:17.02 | fasta | motherboard* |
| 12:17.04 | empiric | any one install gosa on debain etch |
| 12:17.05 | abrotman | fasta: different chipset? |
| 12:17.23 | fasta | abrotman: I doubt the same feature set won't work on newer chipsets. |
| 12:17.30 | abrotman | fasta: did you know that they've made new system components in the last six years? |
| 12:17.39 | fasta | abrotman: that's a meta-argument, I know. |
| 12:17.48 | abrotman | fasta: that's not quite how drivers work .. but ok |
| 12:17.57 | LimCore | fasta: there are new chipsets, that do not work |
| 12:17.59 | fasta | abrotman: just another implementation of the same stuff |
| 12:18.06 | LimCore | fasta: yet it fails |
| 12:18.07 | Mobius0345 | I really think you may just need to find the right driver, Limcore.. I couldn't tell you where to go, but that seems the most likely |
| 12:18.09 | fasta | abrotman: I wrote a driver. |
| 12:18.11 | abrotman | fasta: another *incompatible* implementation |
| 12:18.16 | abrotman | fasta: good .. go write more |
| 12:18.35 | LimCore | fasta: cool, however, I want to use my mobo, not write a driver :) |
| 12:18.47 | abrotman | okay .. fine .. fucking ignore me |
| 12:18.48 | LimCore | so.. what should I choose :/ |
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| 12:18.59 | LimCore | abrotman: I'm checking chipset names |
| 12:19.07 | LimCore | dont have it at hand |
| 12:19.28 | fasta | LimCore: if you want to know it works, you download the Linux kernel and find a chipset that's supported. |
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| 12:19.57 | abrotman | he could read the docs online |
| 12:19.59 | abrotman | or the source |
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| 12:20.33 | LimCore | it seems like a common task, isn't there some existing ready to use list? |
| 12:20.37 | fasta | alsa-wiki.org is the best source for sound related drivers. |
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| 12:21.18 | abrotman | ready to use list of what? |
| 12:21.41 | abrotman | of fully compatible motherboards? |
| 12:21.42 | fasta | Er, alsa-project.org |
| 12:22.07 | LimCore | abrotman: yes |
| 12:22.15 | abrotman | LimCore: you ignored what i said above .. but that's okay |
| 12:22.20 | Mobius0345 | LimCore- what distro and version are you using? |
| 12:22.38 | abrotman | LimCore: and also you can't go by mobo model since sometimes different revisions have different hardware |
| 12:22.46 | LimCore | abrotman: hm? Im dont remember chipset names, and about intell mobo hmm... I had one in laptop, and sound there didnt worked too good |
| 12:23.06 | Mobius0345 | yeah, I'm with you, screw intel... AMD all the way :) |
| 12:23.12 | LimCore | Mobius0345: I want something that will work with debian testing and recent ubuntu |
| 12:23.24 | LimCore | preferrably out of the box |
| 12:23.25 | fasta | LimCore: are you sure you configured correctly? |
| 12:23.47 | Mobius0345 | and you've tried Etch on these 3 motherboards, and none of them will input sound from your mic? |
| 12:23.52 | LimCore | fasta: sound mixer and other basic stuff |
| 12:23.56 | abrotman | Mobius0345: which would be fine if half the freaking AMD mobo manufs didn't stick with tons of shit that needs binary driverse |
| 12:24.06 | LimCore | Mobius0345: Im going to ordre one of this mobos |
| 12:24.18 | Mobius0345 | oh you don't HAVE the mobo yet |
| 12:24.26 | LimCore | yes |
| 12:24.27 | fasta | Mobius0345: no, he is looking for one. |
| 12:24.37 | LimCore | once I order, I can't return :/ |
| 12:24.45 | Mobius0345 | You're not going on manufacturer's specs are you? There's all sorts of hardware that SAYS it's not linux-compatible |
| 12:25.17 | Mobius0345 | In fact, I would say the majority of hardware which claims to require something else will in fact work with linux... 100% unscientific, just one guy's observations, but it is what it is |
| 12:25.30 | LimCore | for example, I found one of them using some sound chipset, and I googled info that this chipset doesnt work (without compiled on your own newest kernel + alsa) |
| 12:25.34 | abrotman | LimCore: tell you what .. stick around .. i'm about to attempt lenny on my new workstation .. it's an intel mobo |
| 12:25.58 | LimCore | current mobo is totally failing... I need a new one. Hard drive going offline randomly =) |
| 12:26.12 | abrotman | what is the current mobo? and failing how? |
| 12:26.18 | abrotman | oh .. current one is old |
| 12:26.29 | LimCore | 2 years old.. no longer available |
| 12:26.35 | LimCore | giabte btw |
| 12:26.52 | LimCore | I would imaging like... 100% of linux users have this problem |
| 12:27.03 | Mobius0345 | abrotman- I'm curious, what do you mean about requiring binary drivers on AMD? I'm not doubting you, just a hardcore AMD fan that never had that problem |
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| 12:27.19 | LimCore | and say http://www.linuxcompatible.org is not a good site. I didnt found there either of my mobos |
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| 12:27.37 | abrotman | Mobius0345: they used to all use the damn broadcom shit .. maybe they don't anymore |
| 12:28.58 | LimCore | so STILL there is no one big site that lists say 80% of popular mobos and hw and just tell will it work on linux yes/no/with custom patches |
| 12:29.00 | LimCore | roght? |
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| 12:29.19 | dutchfish | !hcl |
| 12:29.20 | dpkg | it has been said that hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 12:30.09 | Mobius0345 | LimCore- there's a ton of list, I haven't found one that's really comprehensive, and really it doesn't matter to me anymore |
| 12:30.24 | abrotman | kmuto's thing is handy .. if you have the PCI IDS |
| 12:30.25 | abrotman | IDs |
| 12:30.41 | Mobius0345 | The fact is that the 2.4 kernel brought linux ahead of window for out-of-the-box driver support. The MAJORITY of parts just work. |
| 12:30.42 | fasta | LimCore: there is no list, because most of it works. |
| 12:30.53 | dutchfish | any admin can do a lscpi, at least he should |
| 12:31.06 | dutchfish | s/lscpi/lspci |
| 12:31.25 | dutchfish | mumbles damn stiff fungers |
| 12:31.25 | Mobius0345 | If you're concerned about it, drop the gigabyte, go with a more established mobo maker, and you won't have to worry about it. BUT I did see several gigabyte mobos on that list, so you COULD be fine, I just couldn't swear to it |
| 12:31.29 | abrotman | Mobius0345: and no one really uses a 2.4 kernel .. or does active driver developement |
| 12:31.54 | LimCore | fasta: of people I know that tried linux on their hardware - 50% failed, that is at least one of: system, gfx, sound-out, sound-in didn't worked |
| 12:32.06 | Mobius0345 | abrotman- what are you talking about? most distros coming out are based on 2.4, unless they're some minimalist legacy OS or something |
| 12:32.14 | fasta | LimCore: my experience is completely opposite. |
| 12:32.16 | LimCore | *) without custom patching etc ; on ubuntu (so it should be most easy to just work) |
| 12:32.19 | abrotman | Mobius0345: are you stuck in 2002 ? |
| 12:32.34 | Mobius0345 | oh it's 2.6 isn't it? |
| 12:32.35 | LimCore | Mobius0345: O____o ? almos every distro is 2.6 |
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| 12:32.39 | Mobius0345 | yeah my bad |
| 12:32.54 | fasta | Debian switched only recently (less than a year ago), AFAIK. |
| 12:33.05 | fasta | (for Stable) |
| 12:33.11 | abrotman | sarge had a 2.6 kernel available |
| 12:33.15 | LimCore | giggles @ "recently" == "last year" |
| 12:33.26 | fasta | Yes, but it was not default. |
| 12:33.26 | dutchfish | and honestly, linux is really speeding up in compatible hardware and related drivers. It is really improved over the last years. |
| 12:33.43 | Mobius0345 | okay, but my point remains. Linux is BETTER than windows now for out of the box driver support. And almost every piece of equipment will work it, though you MAY have to find the driver, and it MAY not be in your default repos list |
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| 12:34.07 | LimCore | Mobius0345: better then windows out of the box + the drivers from attached CD???? |
| 12:34.15 | dutchfish | yes |
| 12:34.24 | Mobius0345 | no, WITHOUT a disk |
| 12:34.30 | Mobius0345 | you plug it in, it works |
| 12:34.30 | fasta | Everything shiny is a nightmare on whatever platform, because users are used as beta-testers. |
| 12:34.31 | LimCore | did you found ANY mobo that did NOT worked in windows after applkying drviers attached to it? |
| 12:35.00 | fasta | LimCore: do you work for Microsoft? |
| 12:35.09 | dutchfish | yes, because most of the time, the drivers on the disk are 1. bloated, 2. Old 3. Not working (i have the work with that [bad word] every day) |
| 12:35.13 | Mobius0345 | Limcore- me? No, with the current kernel, I have never had a mobo I couldn't get to work, unless it was a hardware problem already, like built in LAN port having already crapped out or something |
| 12:35.17 | LimCore | fasta: sure, I'm CEO there |
| 12:35.29 | fasta | LimCore: well, then everything you said, makes sense. |
| 12:35.39 | Mobius0345 | Limcore- BUT as I said, I don't skimp on the mobo. I'd sooner put a cheapie PSU in it, and I ain't doing THAT anytime soon, either |
| 12:35.50 | LimCore | fasta: and Elvis is my asistant |
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| 12:36.13 | LimCore | Mobius0345: well it doesnt have to be cheap. But I still dunno which will work |
| 12:36.36 | Mobius0345 | MSI or ASUS will work perfectly, probably no need to even manually install drivers |
| 12:36.46 | fasta | LimCore: Just do a random hardware search on the Ubuntu forum and you will see someone bragging about his/her great hardware. |
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| 12:36.51 | LimCore | so MSI and ASUS are better then Gigabyte? |
| 12:36.53 | fasta | LimCore: buy the same and you have no worries. |
| 12:37.11 | LimCore | fasta: but then, not all hardware is in my local stores |
| 12:37.17 | dutchfish | linux is the only OS that ship the drivers (most of them at least) along with the kernel, dont forget that. |
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| 12:37.34 | Mobius0345 | I just don't know about gigabyte. It COULD be fine, I know there are worse makers, but they aren't really old-school either. MSI and ASUS are tried and true, been around forever, make a good product |
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| 12:37.41 | tim|mb | hi there, does someone have any pointers for packaging a php app for debian? |
| 12:37.44 | LimCore | dutchfish: that is nice, but in the end, its easier to put in a CD and install, or spend days googling, compiling etc? |
| 12:38.02 | dutchfish | LimCore, i strongly disagree |
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| 12:38.30 | LimCore | dutchfish: it's easier for you to spend time compiling, downloading, googling, testing, then insert the cd and install? |
| 12:38.51 | fasta | LimCore: does Poland have like 99.9% Windows users? |
| 12:38.57 | Mobius0345 | Limcore- you're missing the point. For one thing, you want a good mobo anyway. It's the heart of your system, along with the CPU. Don't get cheap on that. IF you get a good mobo, you won't BE compiling stuff and googling drivers anyway. You'll just install your OS and it works |
| 12:39.02 | LimCore | fasta: I think around 97-98... but why? |
| 12:39.05 | dutchfish | LimCore, if hardware manufacturers would coop along with open source, you would never have to google for drivers again with linux, not so with pother OSes. It wil come. Sooner then we can imagine. |
| 12:39.46 | LimCore | dutchfish: I guess a good web site with list of what will work would help |
| 12:39.57 | dutchfish | !hcl |
| 12:39.57 | dpkg | hmm... hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 12:39.57 | Mobius0345 | dutchfish- damn straight. And Vista could be the nail in the coffin that brings GPL to the mainstream, though I'm sure it'll take a few years |
| 12:40.04 | fasta | LimCore: you worry too much. |
| 12:40.12 | Mobius0345 | fasta- confirmed |
| 12:40.19 | LimCore | fasta: Mobius0345: I googled one of the good mobos, and turns out it will not work! if I would just guy it, I would be stuck with no sound! |
| 12:40.30 | Mobius0345 | what mobo? |
| 12:40.34 | LimCore | one second |
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| 12:41.13 | Mobius0345 | look, just beacuse some person on some message baord has a problem, doesn't mean anything. Maybe THEY screwed something up. Where is all this information coming from on what ISN'T going to work with linux? |
| 12:41.21 | dutchfish | Mobius0345, i dont want to throw with names, but the biggies are already making up for open source, watch my words. Half the world dislikes to buy a new computer when a new version of a "certain" os sees daylight anymore. |
| 12:41.43 | LimCore | GA-M52L-S3 mobo -> specs say: Realtek ALC883 Audio Codec --> " No sound w/ HDA-Intel Realtek ALC883 - tried *everything* " http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=202555&page=6 |
| 12:41.56 | Mobius0345 | Oh they're trying to. I heard MS wants to come out with a modular system now, but I'm sure that'll be a piece of crap, too |
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| 12:42.02 | LimCore | Mobius0345: serveral people on forums and bug trackers |
| 12:42.23 | Mobius0345 | LimCore- okay, let's get more specific, then. |
| 12:42.30 | dutchfish | mumbles about w7-de-bloating |
| 12:42.42 | dutchfish | too late |
| 12:42.47 | Mobius0345 | Look for an ASUS or MSI mobo with a VIA chipset and I can ALL but promise you, you'll be just fine |
| 12:43.15 | LimCore | Mobius0345: I will be really mad if it will fail :P |
| 12:43.18 | LimCore | calls shop |
| 12:43.54 | fasta | LimCore: you can also buy a second hand emu10k1 sound card for $10. |
| 12:44.15 | fasta | LimCore: that would have been a better use of your time than worrying. |
| 12:44.57 | LimCore | I cant find that |
| 12:45.10 | LimCore | plus - new mobos have only 1 or 2 PCIs |
| 12:45.19 | LimCore | and I need 2nd network and tuner |
| 12:45.40 | LimCore | it shouldnt be as hard to just buy working hw for linux |
| 12:46.22 | Mobius0345 | Limcore- or AC97 is the other one, if they're still using that audio chipset, that works perfect, too |
| 12:46.24 | fasta | LimCore: it's really easy: go to some webstore that ships to Europe and order a Linux pc. |
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| 12:46.34 | rvalles | 12:43:39 < fasta> LimCore: you can also buy a second hand emu10k1 sound card for $10. |
| 12:46.41 | rvalles | agreed |
| 12:46.43 | rvalles | they're dirt cheap in ebay and such |
| 12:46.51 | LimCore | rvalles: 2 PCI slots, 2 are taken by net and tuner |
| 12:46.52 | Mobius0345 | fasta makes a good point. Worst case scenario IS getting a PCI sound card |
| 12:46.56 | rvalles | and they work perfectly |
| 12:46.59 | Mobius0345 | ahh |
| 12:47.03 | rvalles | LimCore: yuck |
| 12:47.04 | LimCore | PCI sloooots |
| 12:47.10 | fasta | All the Vista users are dumping them like crazy. |
| 12:47.18 | LimCore | I dunno why they now put just 2 PCIs in mobos, idiots |
| 12:47.20 | Arafangion | Hey, I use an ATI card in my laptop, with dual monitors. |
| 12:47.42 | LimCore | slaps mobo vendors |
| 12:47.45 | rvalles | as long as they have build in gigabit ethernet, it's no problem |
| 12:47.45 | Mobius0345 | LimCore- I'd guess either it's a mini/baby ATX mobo, or you've got 2 PCIe slots? |
| 12:47.55 | LimCore | Mobius0345: apparently all new mobos have 1 or 2 pcis |
| 12:47.56 | rvalles | 2 pci -> bt878 and emu10k1 |
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| 12:48.21 | Arafangion | Woudl anyone know if there's a nice way to reconfigure the screen (automatically?) so that I don't have to keep futzing around with the command line or the xorg.conf file whenever I add or remove my external screen (a very common change). |
| 12:48.25 | rvalles | my board is still pci-ish |
| 12:48.27 | LimCore | this really sucks |
| 12:48.28 | rvalles | so it has a lot of them |
| 12:48.35 | abrotman | Arafangion: xrandr |
| 12:48.45 | LimCore | is angry and mobo vendors, linux kernel, and lack of good website with GOOD hw compatiblity list |
| 12:49.11 | Arafangion | abrotman: Thanks for the reference. |
| 12:49.12 | dutchfish | Arafangion, gnome -> sessions |
| 12:49.18 | rvalles | I have scsi controller, bt878, emu10k1 and rtl8169 now. |
| 12:49.25 | fasta | LimCore: what more do you want? Nobody seems to agree with you. |
| 12:49.31 | LimCore | rvalles: how old is this mobo |
| 12:49.37 | rvalles | LimCore: not so old |
| 12:49.38 | abrotman | fasta: he wants you to pick the board and install it for him .. |
| 12:49.48 | rvalles | it's a transition board (cheap) from last december |
| 12:49.51 | Arafangion | dutchfish: How would gnome->sessions work? |
| 12:49.54 | LimCore | abrotman: what? no, to select the board |
| 12:50.02 | abrotman | LimCore: do your own homework |
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| 12:50.15 | fasta | I suggest an admin to end this off-topic discussion. |
| 12:50.18 | abrotman | LimCore: you've been pointed to a few companies .. now go ask google |
| 12:50.20 | Mobius0345 | LimCore- you don't NEED a list. Look for compatibility by CHIPSET, not model. AC97, and VIA just work. I'm sure other people can tell you others that do, too |
| 12:50.24 | abrotman | fasta: you were involved! |
| 12:50.28 | rvalles | lga775 (got e2160 on it), has one PCI-e and AGP, then 5 or 6 PCI, 2 SATA, 2 IDE channels |
| 12:50.39 | rvalles | and supports both DDR and DDR2 (I have DDR2), 2 slots for each |
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| 12:50.42 | Mobius0345 | well it's been fun kids, but the sun is shining, and I got work to do |
| 12:50.50 | Mobius0345 | y'all have a good day |
| 12:50.52 | rvalles | (asrock 4coredual-sata2) |
| 12:50.53 | dutchfish | Arafangion, you can add (default is the only default one) extra sesions to switch too, or xrandr like abrotman said, i have more needs the a monitor alone. |
| 12:51.14 | dutchfish | s/the/then |
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| 12:51.43 | Arafangion | dutchfish: I'm sorry, I still don't understand. |
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| 12:52.20 | dutchfish | Arafangion, things like resolution, desktop layout etc etc, like compiz, i can switch in one go with gnome - sessions |
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| 12:52.49 | Arafangion | dutchfish: How would you even do it manually, using gnome? |
| 12:52.59 | dutchfish | Arafangion, script-wise |
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| 12:53.20 | fasta | abrotman: Poland was also involved in WWII; that doesn't mean they liked it. |
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| 12:53.56 | Arafangion | dutchfish: Ok, that could work rather nicely, how would I actually change from sessions, though? Would I have to login first and switch, or can I do it /at/ login time? |
| 12:54.32 | dutchfish | Arafangion, you start of with creating a copy of the old one under a dif name. Then you tweak that to your needs |
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| 12:55.01 | Arafangion | dutchfish: Assuming I've already got it all setup, how would I actually do the switching? |
| 12:55.17 | Arafangion | dutchfish: I don't want to spend all this time figuring it out and finding out it's not entirely what I wanted. :( |
| 12:55.39 | dutchfish | Arafangion, http://library.gnome.org/users/user-guide/2.18/prefs-sessions.html.en |
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| 12:56.36 | dutchfish | Arafangion, not everything can be done this way, but i just wanted to let you know this feature. |
| 12:56.50 | Arafangion | dutchfish: That page implies I have to actually logout and log back in again just to change the monitor configuration. |
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| 12:57.47 | dutchfish | Arafangion, if you change Xserver settings you need at least to restart X, isnt it? |
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| 12:58.10 | Arafangion | dutchfish: I don't think xrandr needs a restart. |
| 12:58.27 | dutchfish | looks at abrotman for help |
| 12:58.36 | abrotman | what? |
| 12:58.46 | Arafangion | thinks he can remember changing it without a restart, but that was many driver versions ago, and ATI is woefully unstable) |
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| 12:58.55 | abrotman | xrandr can change resolutions if the chipset supports it |
| 12:58.57 | pflanze | Hello. How should I configure X in lenny? (The automatically generated xorg.conf doesn't work on this ThinkPad T61; another one copied from grml doesn't work on Debian; manual changes for the builtin chipset doesn't work either). |
| 12:59.58 | abrotman | pflanze: how/why does the autogen one failed? |
| 13:00.00 | LimCore | hmm I can't find definitive information: does ALC889A work well, and since with kernel? |
| 13:00.06 | abrotman | yes english are my first languages |
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| 13:00.24 | abrotman | LimCore: ask google .. or #alsa .. or alsa-project.org |
| 13:00.30 | liable | i thought it was yinzer? |
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| 13:00.38 | pflanze | abrotman: it turns the screen black and then doesn't continue, doesn't let me switch back to the console either; the machine can be rebooted using ctl-alt-delet, though. |
| 13:00.39 | abrotman | that's nvz |
| 13:00.50 | abrotman | pflanze: yeah .. but what does the log say |
| 13:00.53 | abrotman | liable: hi! |
| 13:00.59 | liable | hola |
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| 13:01.10 | LimCore | hmm it would seem it almost work... http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/4/12/114 |
| 13:01.21 | abrotman | tries to care .. fails |
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| 13:01.45 | dutchfish | Arafangion, i my special case xrandr didnt work nicely, so i have made my own script to switch between xorg.conf's on boot with gnome sessions. Normally a get away with restarting X (crtl - alt -backspace) when this is done. It works nicely for my needs. |
| 13:02.01 | pflanze | abrotman: hm, ok, going to do it again to see how it looks like. |
| 13:02.32 | abrotman | pflanze: also .. try the vesa driver just to compare |
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| 13:02.46 | Arafangion | dutchfish: Hmm, in that case, I'll certainly give the idea of a login script a go if I can't do it dynamically, thanks. :) |
| 13:02.57 | dutchfish | Arafangion, yw |
| 13:03.26 | jelly-home | If anyone gave me a T61 I'd gladly make X work on it! |
| 13:03.53 | pflanze | abrotman: using a parent process which kill -9's X after 20 seconds, I'm getting back to the console, but it's all black, only the cursor is blinking; any way to get to see the text again? ("reset" doesn't do it) |
| 13:03.57 | ma3x | is it possible to remove the gnome-panel in gnome? |
| 13:04.03 | liable | its either intel or nvidia, so i fail to see why it wouldnt work. |
| 13:04.06 | abrotman | pflanze: ssh in ? |
| 13:04.16 | abrotman | ma3x: the package or the actual panel ? |
| 13:04.27 | abrotman | yes in both cases |
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| 13:04.33 | ma3x | abrotman: the pannel! it auto restarts if i kill it |
| 13:04.46 | abrotman | don't kill it you twit .. remove it |
| 13:04.52 | pflanze | abrotman: any other way? (going through hibernate revives the text, but ..) |
| 13:04.58 | ma3x | abrotman: how? |
| 13:05.06 | abrotman | right click and remove |
| 13:05.13 | abrotman | pflanze: so do that .. then check the X log |
| 13:05.23 | dutchfish | Arafangion, sorry for my english, but to make myself clear (crtl - alt - backpsace) executing it twice brings me back the original xorg.conf. So when my screen is blank, i only have to do that ones. |
| 13:05.30 | ma3x | abrotman: there is no delete sir! only right click delete this panel (disabled option) |
| 13:05.42 | abrotman | ma3x: ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:07.07 | jelly-home | pflanze: tried ctrl-alt-f1? |
| 13:07.18 | dutchfish | Arafangion, a toggle script |
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| 13:08.09 | pflanze | jelly-home: yes, as mentioned only works when I use the parent process to kill -9 X, and then it only get me back the cursor, I can type, but everything's black. |
| 13:08.27 | jelly-home | pflanze: ah. vbetool? |
| 13:09.06 | Arafangion | dutchfish: I suppose I could always go to the console, and toggle it first, if I write up a convenient script. |
| 13:09.06 | pflanze | jelly-home: thanks, will try |
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| 13:09.22 | dutchfish | Arafangion, yup, thats how i developed it |
| 13:10.01 | pflanze | abrotman: so the stdout of X doesn't show any error; "(II) Module already built-in" is the only message (repeated 3 times). Going to check the log now. |
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| 13:10.30 | dutchfish | Arafangion, its just a mther of switching configuration files |
| 13:11.00 | pflanze | abrotman: the log is quite long, the last message there is "(**) NV(0): DPMS enabled" |
| 13:11.02 | jelly-home | pflanze: pastebinning your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log is the usual procedure |
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| 13:12.04 | Arafangion | dutchfish: Ultimately, it is, except that ATI has some other... features that are utterly non-standard, and I was hoping there were nice tools that let me just make useof it to do on-the-fly changing. |
| 13:12.05 | dutchfish | Arafangion, very convenient when you have to start a video lecture asap ;) |
| 13:12.41 | dutchfish | Arafangion, i have AT 9600 card, on wich xrandr does not play nice |
| 13:13.02 | Arafangion | I've got the X600, or the X700. |
| 13:13.14 | dutchfish | Arafangion, maybe you have more luck |
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| 13:13.19 | Arafangion | Perhaps. |
| 13:13.20 | abrotman | pflanze: it's an nvidia card? |
| 13:13.43 | Arafangion | dutchfish: The drivers have been getting substantially better since the takeover by AMD, though. |
| 13:13.45 | pflanze | abrotman: yes, but lspci -vv also shows an Intel 965 chip. |
| 13:13.56 | abrotman | pflanze: can you paste the output of lspci ? |
| 13:14.02 | dutchfish | Arafangion, yes, specially in 2.6.24-4 kernel |
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| 13:19.57 | pflanze | abrotman: http://die-palme.dyndns.org/~chris/.x414/ |
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| 13:20.13 | abrotman | pflanze: yay! |
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| 13:21.10 | abrotman | pflanze: i *seriously* doubt 'nv' supports the quadro |
| 13:21.23 | abrotman | pflanze: you can `man nv` and check .. but i really doubt it |
| 13:21.53 | fasta | aboyz: Quadro4 980 XGL, Quadro4 780 XGL, GeForce FX 5800 Ultra, |
| 13:21.58 | fasta | abrotman: ^^ |
| 13:22.02 | abrotman | oh .. it supports some of them |
| 13:22.12 | abrotman | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 140M (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
| 13:22.32 | abrotman | i don't see his in the list |
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| 13:22.45 | fasta | abrotman: I didn't look more specific than quadro. |
| 13:22.46 | abrotman | oh .. i lied |
| 13:22.48 | ph8 | hey all, is it possible to use an apt repository for one package only? |
| 13:22.55 | abrotman | right near the bottom |
| 13:23.00 | abrotman | ph8: such as what? |
| 13:23.18 | abrotman | pflanze: if you change your X driver to 'vesa' .. any better luck ? |
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| 13:23.26 | pflanze | checks |
| 13:23.46 | abrotman | pflanze: also .. leave the BusID blank(or delete the line) |
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| 13:24.00 | vsd | with scsi drives do i need special kernel or drivers? |
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| 13:24.33 | abrotman | vsd: you shouldn't .. as long as your controller is supported |
| 13:24.42 | ph8 | abrotman: Such as a recent package i want that's in someone's personal repository, but i don't want all of their packages replacing mine, some are too bleeding edge |
| 13:24.52 | vsd | abrotman, does the controller have to be hardware? |
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| 13:25.39 | abrotman | vsd: you're going to use a software scsi controller? |
| 13:25.52 | abrotman | ph8: you can try pinning .. |
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| 13:26.10 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 13:26.20 | vsd | abrotman, i don't know anything about scsi...i'm asking :/ |
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| 13:26.50 | expose | Is there a real-time collaborative editor using QT / for KDE? |
| 13:27.02 | SamuraiDio | does ~/bin has priority over /usr/bin ? |
| 13:27.26 | SamuraiDio | !test |
| 13:27.26 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 13:27.46 | Arafangion | expose: There are several, but why would you bother? |
| 13:27.46 | jelly-home | vsd: you definitely need a hardware controller to plug your scsi drives into |
| 13:27.48 | abrotman | !info gobby lenny |
| 13:27.50 | dpkg | gobby: (collaborative text editor), section net, is optional. Version: 0.4.6-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 528 kB, Installed size: 1524 kB |
| 13:27.55 | abrotman | not for kde .. but oh well |
| 13:28.09 | Arafangion | expose: screen + ssh, is pretty dang good, though. |
| 13:28.23 | vsd | jelly-home, how much does it cost? approximately |
| 13:28.31 | pflanze | abrotman: vesa does seem to work! (although I've got to reboot now because the kill -9 completely froze my screen this time) |
| 13:28.43 | g00se | Is there any way to emulate an XP-like 'Switch User' on Xfce or generically? |
| 13:29.00 | jelly-home | vsd: it depends on what you're searching for. how old are your drives? |
| 13:29.05 | abrotman | pflanze: whoops |
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| 13:29.12 | expose | Arafangion: cause i need to write texts with people who arent next to me? |
| 13:29.22 | abrotman | is the nvidia crap in lenny yet? |
| 13:29.27 | expose | Arafangion: screen --> only one cursor, no color highlighting |
| 13:29.38 | vsd | jelly-home, i want to make a spec for a new server and i'm thinking to buy scsi disks for better performance |
| 13:29.45 | vsd | jelly-home, so new ones |
| 13:29.46 | abrotman | expose: look at gobby .. it's gtk/gnome .. but i think it's what you're looking for (or ask #kde) |
| 13:29.46 | expose | abrotman: gobby is GTKish |
| 13:29.52 | abrotman | expose: i'm aware of this |
| 13:30.05 | abrotman | it's starts with a 'g' .. not a 'k' |
| 13:30.12 | expose | hehe |
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| 13:30.44 | jelly-home | vsd: new-ish servers have SAS disks (and appropriate controllers, that may or may not be hardware raid capable) |
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| 13:30.59 | expose | Does someone know why wpa_supplicant 6.x is used in lenny and newer instead latest stable 5.10? |
| 13:31.16 | expose | (It's know to have connectivitiy issues...) |
| 13:31.45 | vsd | jelly-home, SAS? |
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| 13:34.05 | suppaman | hello |
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| 13:36.09 | MrMist | hey guys |
| 13:36.59 | MrMist | I'm just wondering... is there any flag I can give grub or something to load ALL the OS files into ram before booting? I'm using a USB thumbdrive, and I'd like the binaries to be in RAM... |
| 13:37.29 | dutchfish | MrMist, squashfs |
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| 13:37.44 | Arafangion | MrMist: Or just let the system cache it for you, it already does, you know. |
| 13:38.22 | jelly-home | vsd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Attached_SCSI |
| 13:38.29 | polysilicon | for a core2duo machine, amd64 iso is used or i386 iso ? |
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| 13:38.44 | DawnLight | i seem to have made a partition table invalid in some way, although not entirely clear to me. problem is cfdisk now tells me "fatal error" and doesn't start... help? |
| 13:38.50 | vsd | jelly-home, do i need special kernel/drivers for these? |
| 13:38.59 | MrMist | Arafangion: Hmm... how is that done? I need to prevent writing to the disk as much as possible |
| 13:39.19 | jelly-home | vsd: same answer as above... depends on the controller. |
| 13:39.29 | MrMist | I'm using ext2 with noatime for now |
| 13:39.46 | vsd | jelly-home, can you tell me about the costs approx? |
| 13:40.26 | jelly-home | vsd: I can't. You could go and configure yourself a server on eg. http://www.hp.com/cgi-bin/sbso/buyguides/tsg_product_select.cgi |
| 13:40.29 | dutchfish | MrMist, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 13:40.51 | jelly-home | vsd: or any other brand you prefer |
| 13:41.43 | DawnLight | fdisk also is unable to open it |
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| 13:43.32 | Christoph_vW | is there a tool for hdd error checking? (I tried badblocks already -> no error) |
| 13:43.41 | adr3nalin3 | fsck |
| 13:44.05 | liable | smartmontools? |
| 13:44.12 | liable | or something like that.. |
| 13:44.13 | Christoph_vW | adr3nalin3: did this too - found hundrets of issues |
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| 13:44.27 | Christoph_vW | smartmontools told me my hdd doesn't support SMART |
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| 13:44.52 | adr3nalin3 | Christop_vW, you should do a shutdown now -F to have fsck try to repair the errors |
| 13:44.58 | dutchfish | Christoph_vW, did you flip the switch in bios for smartmon to work? |
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| 13:45.21 | Christoph_vW | adr3nalin3: I booted from a backup hdd to repair the problems already |
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| 13:45.34 | Christoph_vW | but I want to make sure there is no hardware error |
| 13:46.01 | dsmink__ | Dudes, wrestling with a little problem about VPN here... anyone wanna go privat for some details... and hopefully a solution ??? (poptop) (etch 4.0) |
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| 13:46.29 | SamuraiDio | why doesn't work for me , put WINEDEBUG=fixme-all on ~/.bash_profile ? |
| 13:47.21 | dutchfish | SamuraiDio, WINEDEBUG='fixme-all' |
| 13:47.41 | suppaman | SamuraiDio: maybe you're not using a login shell |
| 13:47.53 | suppaman | SamuraiDio: what do you mean by "not work" btw, can't you save the file? |
| 13:48.12 | pflanze | abrotman: ok thanks, the vesa works (the PCI address was not the issue, nv still wouldn't work; strange that it did on grml, maybe newer version there?). Now I only have to get to the right resolution / aspect ration. |
| 13:48.13 | SamuraiDio | suppaman, i'm runnign sh ~/.bash_history |
| 13:48.24 | SamuraiDio | ops |
| 13:48.34 | SamuraiDio | suppaman, i'm running sh ~/.bash_profile * |
| 13:48.47 | themill | SamuraiDio: you need to source things like that not run them. And you need to export variables not just set them. |
| 13:48.49 | abrotman | pflanze: you probably will need the binary nvidia crap for that |
| 13:48.51 | nadalizadeh | SamuraiDio, try export WINEDEBUG='fixme-all' |
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| 13:49.28 | empiric | helo |
| 13:49.30 | empiric | guys |
| 13:49.30 | suppaman | damn I need to read grub doc |
| 13:49.36 | empiric | any one works on gosa? |
| 13:49.40 | SamuraiDio | nadalizadeh, that works fine, but i want to set it for all login sessions, including Xsessons |
| 13:49.43 | pflanze | abrotman: hm GRML managed to do it, so.. |
| 13:49.58 | pflanze | and they specified "nv" as driver. |
| 13:50.04 | dutchfish | SamuraiDio, make export clause in .bashrc |
| 13:50.21 | peregrine777 | Here's a question. I have two debian etch servers in two locations, I have no control over the routing and firewalls in between |
| 13:51.05 | peregrine777 | How can I iterate over all the ports and check each one to find out which ones are blocked. I do NOT necessarily have software listening on these ports |
| 13:51.11 | dutchfish | peregrine777, mon |
| 13:51.38 | peregrine777 | Though the possible solution might open each port for a moment to test each one. |
| 13:51.38 | nadalizadeh | SamuraiDio, Check whether bash runs your .bash_profile or .bashrc, for example with creating a file in /tmp ! |
| 13:51.39 | Christoph_vW | looks like JMicron IDE dosn't support SMART |
| 13:51.53 | jelly-home | vsd: if you're looking for components, I'd say start at $300+, but you can google the shops as well as me. 3ware controllers work fine here, P400 ones that come with HP's DL3xx machines work fine too. Not sure about new Adaptec stuff, and haven't seen an Areca card either. |
| 13:52.09 | abrotman | pflanze: might want to check versions of that driver |
| 13:52.27 | peregrine777 | dutchfish, same as linux-mon? |
| 13:52.35 | SamuraiDio | nadalizadeh, both, but it think i managed to make it, i'll just need to re-login to test, tnx |
| 13:52.35 | dutchfish | !info mon etch |
| 13:52.39 | dpkg | mon: (monitor hosts/services/whatever and alert about problems), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.99.2-9 (etch), Packaged size: 173 kB, Installed size: 804 kB |
| 13:52.44 | peregrine777 | !info mon etch |
| 13:53.08 | pflanze | abrotman: why do you think getting resolution and aspect ratio is a problem with the vesa driver? |
| 13:53.18 | peregrine777 | gracias |
| 13:53.47 | abrotman | vesa is pretty basic |
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| 13:55.33 | nadalizadeh | abrotman, the only problem with vesa is hardware acceleration, every other thing works fine |
| 13:55.54 | abrotman | nadalizadeh: IIRC it has a limit on resolutions it supports |
| 13:56.20 | suppaman | abrotman: depending on vesa version afair |
| 13:56.26 | nadalizadeh | its an standard with the video card vendors |
| 13:56.30 | abrotman | i know .. |
| 13:56.34 | abrotman | nadalizadeh: IIRC it has a limit on resolutions it supports |
| 13:56.36 | nadalizadeh | so they decide about it |
| 13:56.46 | abrotman | gives up |
| 13:57.28 | vsd | thanks jelly-home |
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| 13:57.57 | suppaman | abrotman: wise man :-) |
| 13:58.08 | abrotman | why wise? |
| 13:58.21 | nadalizadeh | :D |
| 13:58.56 | fluxdude | does anyone know of any great and not too difficult/alpha/beta cpu clustering solution? |
| 13:59.06 | fluxdude | in order to build a super fast compute cluster out of one or more machines that acts like 1 big computer? |
| 13:59.12 | suppaman | abrotman: not keeping up a sterile discussion |
| 13:59.20 | abrotman | i have no interest in having an argument about something as silly as the number of resolutions vesa does or does not support |
| 13:59.40 | abrotman | fluxdude: there is beowulf/mosix/MPI |
| 13:59.52 | dsmink__ | Guys, I have this strange thing (it's strange to me)... Where I can connect from internal network to my vpn server.. Now this works a would like to login to vpn from outside to my vpn server... ports are open.. protocol 47 / pptp forwarding is on.. But I can't seem to get connected... Although tcpdump shows me there something going on.... 5:30:34.154074 IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > 10.0.x.x: GREv1, call 2048, seq 2, length 36: LCP, Conf-Request (0x01), id 1, |
| 14:00.18 | fluxdude | abrotman: isn't openmosix kinda dead? I looked at that a while back... there were some architectural problems with it I think... |
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| 14:00.27 | abrotman | fluxdude: i don't use it .. no idea |
| 14:00.28 | abrotman | !mpi |
| 14:00.28 | dpkg | well, mpi is Message Passing Interface, a parallel programming standard for SMPs and clusters. http://www.mcs.anl.gov/mpi. It is a library specification for message-passing proposed as a standard. MPI was designed for high performance on both massively parallel machines and on workstation clusters. See MPICH and MPILAM. |
| 14:00.29 | dsmink__ | connection keeps failing from the outside |
| 14:00.40 | dutchfish | dsmink__, your router/firewall must support vpn pass through |
| 14:00.45 | abrotman | i think that's LAMPICH now .. not sure |
| 14:00.45 | dsmink__ | it does |
| 14:00.45 | dustybin | http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/taking-freedom-further LOL |
| 14:00.55 | dsmink__ | WAG54G Linksys... pptp forwarding enabled |
| 14:01.14 | dutchfish | dsmink__, you are using pptp on a linux box???? |
| 14:01.26 | dsmink__ | POPTOP |
| 14:01.44 | dsmink__ | yes... and it works.... although only from internal network |
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| 14:02.19 | dsmink__ | when connecting from outside... tcpdump shows me there is indeed somekind of handshaking (??) but... connection doesn't get up! |
| 14:02.24 | dutchfish | dsmink__, ok, at the top of my head, this also needs identd 113 on the firewall to be open |
| 14:03.13 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, okay... didn't read that anywhere.. but will give it a go |
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| 14:03.21 | atp | hello |
| 14:03.26 | dutchfish | dsmink__, not sure but you can try |
| 14:03.42 | atp | how can i install java jdk on debian |
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| 14:03.43 | atp | ? |
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| 14:04.14 | atp | can you help me? |
| 14:04.26 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, it is udp or tcp? |
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| 14:04.42 | dutchfish | dsmink__, second pittfall, make sure the time on your boxes is synchronized (idnetd tcp) |
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| 14:05.47 | dsmink__ | mmm |
| 14:06.13 | dutchfish | dsmink__, i mean synchronized to a trusted timeserver |
| 14:06.50 | dutchfish | dsmink__, why not use ssl/vpn? |
| 14:06.53 | themill | !tell atp about install java |
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| 14:07.23 | dsmink__ | dutchfish: does that matter a whole lot? Cause time is synched but not with a timeserver, but same machine (macbook I use now) logs in @ home, but not here |
| 14:07.28 | atp | i try to install java jdk on debian....but i don't know how |
| 14:07.49 | dutchfish | dsmink__, at the top of my head it must be in sync within 5 minutes |
| 14:08.02 | atp | with java jre was ok...but with jdk....i don't know package name |
| 14:08.12 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, that should not be a problem then |
| 14:08.20 | themill | atp: Follow the instructions that dpkg just sent you, except also install the sun-java6-jdk package. If you are running etch, you will have to include the backports.org repositories and you will find sun-java6-jdk in there. |
| 14:08.24 | dutchfish | dsmink__, just to let you know |
| 14:08.42 | dsmink__ | dutchfish: tnx... but it does not solve :S |
| 14:09.17 | dutchfish | dsmink__, does portforworidng work? (tcpdump / wireshark)? |
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| 14:09.27 | dsmink__ | strange part is that from the inside (local network) it works... one would say it is only the router / firewall that would fuck things up.... |
| 14:09.41 | dutchfish | dsmink__, my thought too |
| 14:09.54 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, yes... TCPDUMP gives me a nice report of things going on on proto 47 |
| 14:10.03 | dsmink__ | 5:30:34.154074 IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx > 10.0.x.x: GREv1, call 2048, seq 2, length 36: LCP, Conf-Request (0x01), id 1, length 22 |
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| 14:10.23 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, so it is definetly trying to connect |
| 14:10.31 | dutchfish | dsmink__, i have not that great confidence in vpn/passthough from commercial black boxes |
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| 14:11.09 | dutchfish | dsmink__, did you mon the other end for responses? |
| 14:11.11 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, but since the dump shows me activity it does reach the server doesn't it? |
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| 14:11.44 | dutchfish | dsmink__, at least at that port, but dnat/snat could borken it up |
| 14:11.57 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, I've even used DMZ but still no connection then! |
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| 14:12.15 | dutchfish | dsmink__, at least at that port, but dnat/snat could borken it up |
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| 14:12.39 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, what do you mean? |
| 14:12.59 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, not with dmz it would not? |
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| 14:13.18 | dutchfish | dsmink__, because of nat translations, packets could be f up, this also aply in dmz |
| 14:13.54 | dutchfish | dsmink__, hard to tell |
| 14:14.30 | dutchfish | dsmink__, did you check that identd is working? |
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| 14:14.53 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, not that much familiar with inetd... |
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| 14:15.18 | dutchfish | dsmink__, not inetd identd (113) |
| 14:15.30 | dsmink__ | wtf :S |
| 14:15.33 | dsmink__ | haha |
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| 14:15.46 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, what is it? |
| 14:15.47 | dutchfish | dsmink__, yes, i make a lot of typos myself |
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| 14:16.00 | julo | hi |
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| 14:16.47 | suppaman | does grub support a xfs root fs ? |
| 14:16.50 | julo | Does anyone know what happened to the xserver-xorg-video-amd package that used to exist for lenny, and that now only exists for sid anymore ? Is it normal ? Has it been renamed ? |
| 14:16.58 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, pidentd? |
| 14:17.09 | atp | if i want to change my update source adress ...how can i do that? |
| 14:17.19 | themill | suppaman: I believe so; never tried. dpkg claims it does though |
| 14:17.36 | dutchfish | dsmink__, identd is a small program that typically runs out of your inetd server. It keeps track of what user is running what TCP service, and then reports this to whoever requests it. |
| 14:17.44 | themill | !atp about backports.org |
| 14:17.52 | themill | fai |
| 14:17.56 | themill | !tell atp about backports.org |
| 14:17.57 | suppaman | themill: I'm stuck at grub rescue console |
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| 14:18.11 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, do not realy know what that is then... identd :) |
| 14:18.12 | twobitsp1ite | is there a way to determine what debian package provides a certain perl module? |
| 14:18.13 | suppaman | themill: I've just a single xfs partition at hd0,1 |
| 14:18.16 | themill | suppaman: :( I'm the wrong one to ask about that. |
| 14:18.23 | azeem | julo: it's not in sid |
| 14:18.40 | azeem | which is the reason it got removed from testing as well |
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| 14:18.55 | themill | atp: I presume that is why you asking about changing your sources.list. |
| 14:19.01 | themill | were* |
| 14:19.20 | themill | is failing miserably at producing coherent English today. |
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| 14:19.39 | julo | azeem: http://packages.debian.org/sid/xserver-xorg-video-amd |
| 14:19.44 | suppaman | well I've an etch disc handy, a chroot will solve it |
| 14:19.48 | abrotman | themill: just pretend you're american |
| 14:19.52 | cellofellow | I've been compiling the whole kernel for the past 12 hours. Is it almost done or should I kill it and try disabling unneeded stuff (of which there is tons). |
| 14:20.05 | abrotman | julo: that's a transitional package |
| 14:20.30 | twobitsp1ite | abrotman: where are you from? |
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| 14:20.42 | dutchfish | dsmink__, i would suggest to drop it anyway and try to do this with ssl/vpn. Its far more reliable and secure |
| 14:20.43 | julo | abrotman: yes, a transitional package to xserver-xorg-video-geode, but this package doesn't exist for lenny.. So which package should I use for lenny ? |
| 14:20.46 | azeem | julo: so the source package got renamed, and xserver-xorg-video-geode hasn't transitioned to testing yet |
| 14:21.03 | halflife08 | cellofellow: why are you trying to compile a kernel than use the regular debian provided ones |
| 14:21.09 | azeem | julo: either wait, or make a backport |
| 14:21.18 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, and what service would you recommand? |
| 14:21.18 | julo | azeem: it just means that I should wait for xserver-xorg-video-geode to reach lenny, right ? |
| 14:21.27 | twobitsp1ite | cellofellow: no way to really know how far along it is that I know of |
| 14:21.36 | cellofellow | halflife08: because PRISM2_DOWNLOAD_SUPPORT, that is flashing the firmware, wasn't enabled in the hostap driver which is now in the main kernel tree. |
| 14:21.40 | julo | azeem: OK, thanks ! |
| 14:21.44 | azeem | julo: for example |
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| 14:22.14 | cellofellow | wonders if he can compile hostap without having to compile the whole kernel. |
| 14:22.25 | azeem | the maintainer seems to think uploading for trivial changes is fun though, so it might take a while |
| 14:22.26 | twobitsp1ite | cellofellow: should be able to compile a module |
| 14:22.26 | liable | sure |
| 14:22.32 | nomisery | hello, can anyone give me a hint, how i can import mails from evolution to mutt? |
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| 14:22.36 | halflife08 | cellofellow: i believe you can must compile the module |
| 14:22.38 | cellofellow | even if it's in the linux-image-version package? |
| 14:23.05 | cellofellow | nomisery: export as mbox format |
| 14:23.06 | halflife08 | cellofellow: yes if it is module it can be unloaded and a new module can be loaded |
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| 14:23.19 | suppaman | wth, etch disc doesn't have xfs!! |
| 14:23.30 | liable | omg |
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| 14:23.51 | debian | hi |
| 14:23.51 | twobitsp1ite | what's wrong with ext3? |
| 14:23.56 | cellofellow | so, how? I've got the linux-image-2.6.18-686 source package, so I can just cd into the drivers/net/wireless/hostap/ dir and compile it? |
| 14:24.11 | suppaman | twobitsp1ite: I don't know if something is wrong with it but my partition is xfs |
| 14:24.19 | Bushmills | twobitsp1ite: it doesn't always handle devices running full very well |
| 14:24.44 | suppaman | liable: does it? |
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| 14:25.06 | liable | suppaman: no idea ;) |
| 14:25.20 | suppaman | liable: I tought you were talking with me |
| 14:25.47 | liable | suppaman: i was just reacting to multiple exclamation marks :) |
| 14:25.51 | themill | azeem: it looks like geode is stalled by xorg-server which has been stuck in sid for 6 months now so there doesn't seem to be much prospect of it getting into lenny any time soon even if the maintainer stopped making new, trivial uploads. |
| 14:25.52 | suppaman | this sucks, I've got no bootloader and I can't chroot to my root partition |
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| 14:26.02 | justin | suppaman: what disk are you using? |
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| 14:26.17 | abuyazan | hello |
| 14:26.18 | suppaman | liable: they were two of them and to underline my concern |
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| 14:27.21 | halflife08 | cellofellow: take a look at kernel-package make-kpkg command , refer to the manpage |
| 14:27.23 | suppaman | justin: etch netinstall |
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| 14:27.37 | abuyazan | i want to add an IP address for some hosts in hosts file, but the server still take the IP address from DNS |
| 14:27.49 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 14:28.06 | jelly-home | abuyazan: "the server"? |
| 14:28.11 | Haris1 | Why does ifconfig add eth2:1 192.168.1.1/24 not work? |
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| 14:28.20 | halflife08 | abuyazan: man host.conf |
| 14:28.21 | Bushmills | abuyazan: nssswitch or host.conf |
| 14:28.34 | suppaman | ha, I have a grml disc |
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| 14:28.53 | abuyazan | thanks to all, let me check these |
| 14:29.31 | Bushmills | Haris1: maybe because you don't have a device called "add" ? |
| 14:29.41 | Haris1 | Now the del is also not working |
| 14:29.56 | Haris1 | Bushmills: Yep, works without the add keyword. How to delete it? |
| 14:30.17 | Bushmills | Haris1: ipconfig eth0 down |
| 14:30.19 | nomisery | where in evolution can i export as mbox? |
| 14:30.24 | Bushmills | provided device is eth0 |
| 14:30.31 | Haris1 | down will del it? |
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| 14:30.39 | nomisery | i only can see an imput function |
| 14:30.47 | Bushmills | Haris1: deconfigure it |
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| 14:31.13 | justin | suppaman: did you download the installer components yet, or did you skip right to the shell? |
| 14:31.24 | suppaman | justin: installer components? |
| 14:31.55 | suppaman | justin: I did them both, before and after it loaded a modules |
| 14:32.28 | dutchfish | dsmink__, sorry it took some time to google it up again: http://www.sans.org/rr/whitepapers/vpns/1459.php |
| 14:32.46 | Bushmills | Haris1: or is it your intention to only deconfigure the ipv6 address? |
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| 14:33.11 | suppaman | justin: does etch install disc support xfs in your experience? |
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| 14:34.23 | wfq | hi guys |
| 14:34.29 | abrotman | suppaman: yes it does |
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| 14:34.41 | wfq | do you know any tool to use that converts png into gif or jpg? |
| 14:34.50 | Bushmills | wfq: convert |
| 14:34.55 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, will check it out... this shit is driving me crazy : |
| 14:34.56 | dsmink__ | :) |
| 14:35.01 | Bushmills | wfq: part of imagemagick |
| 14:35.14 | dutchfish | dsmink__, the nat issue: One of the serious drawbacks to IPSec VPNs is their inability to function behind a device that does NAT. The Authentication Header (AH) mode in IPSec hashes |
| 14:35.14 | dutchfish | the source address as part of its authentication process. If NAT changes this source address, as it always does |
| 14:35.45 | justin | ipsec can work across NAT, though many devices still fuck it up |
| 14:35.58 | dutchfish | justin, exactly |
| 14:36.15 | dsmink__ | so, prob.. my Linksys is fucking shit up.. |
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| 14:36.32 | justin | dsmink__: the router probably has an option for ipsec passthrough, whatever it is set to, toggle it |
| 14:36.32 | dutchfish | dsmink__, could be |
| 14:36.41 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, nice :/ |
| 14:36.43 | dutchfish | justin, he did |
| 14:36.50 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, you dutch? btw :) |
| 14:36.55 | justin | that sucks :) |
| 14:36.56 | dutchfish | dsmink__, ja |
| 14:36.59 | dsmink__ | oke :) |
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| 14:37.25 | justin | suppaman: it probably supports xfs, but only after getting the modules |
| 14:37.30 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, mag je hier NL praten? Of is ENG prefered? |
| 14:37.41 | dutchfish | dsmink__, sorry only english ;) |
| 14:38.33 | tudon | ja foei |
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| 14:38.37 | dsmink__ | dutchfish, okay... well, no big deal :) |
| 14:38.49 | Haris1 | Bushmills: Na.. I just want to delete it |
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| 14:39.12 | dutchfish | tudon, dutch too? |
| 14:39.22 | asmarin | i see my etch machine doesnt need upgrades since one or two months |
| 14:39.23 | tudon | ja |
| 14:39.29 | asmarin | do i need to pass to lenny or not? |
| 14:39.29 | dutchfish | :) |
| 14:39.44 | Bushmills | Haris1: del is for ipv6 addr removal |
| 14:40.16 | Bushmills | Haris1: down for releasing the interface |
| 14:40.38 | suppaman | justin: I think I've loaded them, unless it loads modules after scanning the cd repository |
| 14:40.42 | dutchfish | asmarin, no need, just update/upgrade without touching /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:40.56 | asmarin | dutchfish: ok |
| 14:41.02 | Haris1 | Bushmills: Nothing for ipv4? |
| 14:41.04 | justin | suppaman: I just fetched the latest netisntall cd(in 10 seconds heh) lemme see... |
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| 14:41.28 | liable | asmarin: depending on what you have installed, this is perfectly normal. thats why we call it stable :) |
| 14:41.39 | asmarin | apache2 and squid |
| 14:41.42 | asmarin | liable |
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| 14:41.53 | Bushmills | Haris1: i don't know what you mean by "deleting". |
| 14:41.54 | asmarin | on a production server...hp ml360 g5 |
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| 14:42.11 | liable | asmarin: i dont recall any security announcements for either recently, so that sounds fine.. |
| 14:42.21 | asmarin | ok |
| 14:42.30 | Bushmills | Bushmills: opening the computer and removing the nic is a way to "delete" it. |
| 14:42.30 | asmarin | i'll wait for other way |
| 14:42.34 | liable | asmarin: subscribe to dsa ML |
| 14:42.51 | Haris1 | decommissioning an interface |
| 14:42.55 | Haris1 | deleting an interface |
| 14:42.58 | asmarin | liable dsa ML? :-S |
| 14:43.00 | asmarin | what is this? |
| 14:43.00 | liable | asmarin: that way you can keep an eye on whats happening in stable. |
| 14:43.09 | Haris1 | added not through /etc/network/interfaces, but through ifconfig on run time |
| 14:43.10 | themill | !tell asmarin about dsa |
| 14:43.12 | asmarin | is a mailing list? |
| 14:43.17 | Bushmills | delete what? its silicon? |
| 14:43.20 | liable | asmarin: debian-security-announce mailing list |
| 14:43.24 | asmarin | ok |
| 14:43.26 | asmarin | thanks a lot |
| 14:43.29 | suppaman | justin: wow 10 seconds |
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| 14:43.42 | abuyazan | hi |
| 14:43.42 | Haris1 | ok, wo deconfiguring it means its not known by debian? |
| 14:43.45 | Haris1 | wo=so |
| 14:43.56 | abuyazan | i tried tp add the order on host.conf but it did not work |
| 14:44.03 | Haris1 | checking |
| 14:44.09 | abuyazan | where can i find a good manual to do that |
| 14:44.24 | justin | suppaman: yeah, fast mirror |
| 14:44.59 | suppaman | indeed |
| 14:45.18 | suppaman | justin: btw I solved with ugly grml but let me know if you can read xfs fs |
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| 14:45.38 | suppaman | btw I'll stay with lilo |
| 14:45.52 | suppaman | grub is too much trouble |
| 14:45.58 | liable | bah |
| 14:46.21 | themill | abuyazan: can you tell us exactly what you did? How it doesn't work? What error messages you get? Use a pastebin if it's more than a couple of lines. |
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| 14:46.45 | abrotman | suppaman: are you crazy? |
| 14:47.30 | suppaman | I am not, I can't even found a manual page for menu.lst |
| 14:47.36 | abuyazan | i add these lines |
| 14:47.56 | suppaman | abrotman: should you help me I'd be glad to install it |
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| 14:48.19 | abuyazan | order hosts,bind |
| 14:48.24 | justin | suppaman: yeah, one of the udebs it installs has the xfs module |
| 14:48.25 | abuyazan | multi on |
| 14:48.51 | suppaman | abrotman: I'm on lenny, I've installed grub2, I've run update-grub, I've edited menu.lst and set up groot to hd0,1 as I've just 2 partition on hda, had1 is swas hda2 is root |
| 14:48.53 | abrotman | suppaman: to do what? |
| 14:48.55 | abuyazan | the i nslookup myserver.com it resolved it from the DNS not from hosts file |
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| 14:49.13 | abuyazan | in hosts i have IP Host Hostalias |
| 14:49.14 | cellofellow | Anybody here know how to flash a Prism2 card? |
| 14:49.14 | suppaman | abrotman: then I've run grub-install /dev/hda and the system was screwed up |
| 14:49.22 | suppaman | justin: udebs? |
| 14:49.26 | abrotman | suppaman: that's vague |
| 14:49.36 | suppaman | abrotman: about what? |
| 14:49.40 | cellofellow | I have some firmware files but I don't know which is which. (Primary or Station). |
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| 14:50.02 | justin | suppaman: the "additional components" i was talking about |
| 14:50.07 | abuyazan | should i restart some services ? |
| 14:50.14 | xoz | suppaman: you can always use grub shell and use setup (....) |
| 14:50.17 | justin | suppaman: I just let the cd boot, and went to the shell and ran modprobe xfs, and it worked |
| 14:50.27 | suppaman | ah lol |
| 14:50.35 | suppaman | I didn't tought about manually loading the module :-p |
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| 14:50.57 | cellofellow | never ind, figured it out |
| 14:51.09 | abuyazan | themill, what do you think |
| 14:51.32 | suppaman | abrotman: what's vague in what I wrote? |
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| 14:52.16 | nomisery | aaaah formail -s procmail<oldmails.mbox is the magic word :) |
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| 14:54.27 | themill | abuyazan: nslookup is the wrong way to test this as nslookup always uses a nameserver. Use "getent hosts machinename" instead. |
| 14:54.56 | suppaman | justin: it works, plain old comfortable debian |
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| 14:56.15 | x3rus_ | hey guys I am looking for a terminal software that tell me how much MB I consume daily on a network interface eth0 in this case |
| 14:56.40 | abuyazan | ok but i need the resolve to use when my mail server will send the email to that host |
| 14:56.41 | dutchfish | x3rus_, cacti? |
| 14:56.47 | Bushmills | x3rus_: you can add a dummy rule to iptales |
| 14:56.47 | abuyazan | let me tell you my case |
| 14:56.49 | Bushmills | tables |
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| 14:57.04 | justin | nomisery: uhh, mutt -f oldmails.mbox |
| 14:57.08 | abuyazan | i installed PIX firewall on my data center |
| 14:57.39 | g00se | Is there any way to emulate an XP-like 'Switch User' on Xfce or generically? |
| 14:57.59 | suppaman | g00se: what does xp do when switching user? |
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| 14:58.26 | Bushmills | g00se: xfce supports gnome applets, and there is a quick-user-switch |
| 14:58.46 | g00se | Bushmills: Sounds interesting |
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| 14:59.04 | Bushmills | fast-user-switch-applet |
| 14:59.28 | themill | abuyazan: your mailserver will not use nslookup, it will use gethostbyname (or similar) which is what getent uses. |
| 14:59.36 | Bushmills | starts a new X session, lets user log on. when started already, switch between the opened sessions |
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| 14:59.54 | g00se | suppaman: it just allow going back to a multi-user login screen at any point. No need to logout to go in as another user : a gui su |
| 15:00.40 | Bushmills | g00se: but you can do without that |
| 15:01.03 | suppaman | g00se: my gnome-etch does it, afair |
| 15:01.04 | g00se | Bushmills: I though i could, but how? |
| 15:01.16 | Bushmills | g00se: by starting a new session yourself, and then switch between them with ctrl-alt-f7, f8, f9 ... |
| 15:01.39 | abrotman | g00se: i don't think gdm does that .. |
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| 15:01.46 | abrotman | g00se: but you can start a new login window |
| 15:02.05 | g00se | Bushmills: Ah. I was trying to do that. But i was trying Alt+F(n) like in terminals |
| 15:02.06 | Bushmills | g00se: startx command -- :1 ( runs command, for example window manager, on display 1) |
| 15:02.16 | LemensTS | im having a heck of a time with ndiswrapper. - 'modprobe ndiswrapper' |
| 15:02.28 | LemensTS | FATAL: module ndiswrapper not found |
| 15:02.33 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper oneliner |
| 15:02.36 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 15:02.36 | dpkg | it has been said that ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 15:03.14 | Bushmills | g00se: that gnome user switch does essentially the same, just with a mouse clickable frontend, and a new display manager login screen if user doesn't have a session open |
| 15:03.54 | g00se | Bushmills: Sounds more girfriend-friendly ;-) |
| 15:04.00 | Bushmills | right |
| 15:04.44 | g00se | I have remote sessions to her desktop to complicate matters |
| 15:05.22 | Bushmills | shouldn't complicate. those just run, outputting to one X server. |
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| 15:05.45 | Bushmills | when switching users, you jsut switch to another X server |
| 15:05.46 | meng_ | what usually case mce errors? bad memory, cpu or mobo? |
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| 15:06.42 | g00se | Thanks guys: something to go at ;-) |
| 15:08.52 | dutchfish | i have a postfix question: How can i let a non-smart-relay for it's domain's verifying the existence of a mailbox on an smtp endpoint? |
| 15:09.34 | idimmu | have you tried #postfix ? |
| 15:09.49 | dutchfish | idimmu, ok, i will thanks |
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| 15:11.12 | Bushmills | dutchfish: you could - but no garanty because it depends on server config, talk to smtp, maybe with netcat, and do the helo . mail from: rxpt to: chore and see what the server replies. |
| 15:11.45 | dutchfish | Bushmills, yes, something like that, but i gues someone has already done this? |
| 15:11.55 | Bushmills | dutchfish: but that won't work with wildcarded virtual domains |
| 15:12.11 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i have no wildcards, just 3 domains on that box |
| 15:12.44 | dutchfish | Bushmills, it sits between the spammfilter and the endpoint (behind firewall) |
| 15:12.54 | Bushmills | dutchfish: also, many servers will not tell you properly whether the account exists. too easy to probe for existing account names. |
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| 15:13.17 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i have full control over the endpoint so thats no problem |
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| 15:13.43 | dutchfish | Bushmills, my gues is there is some plugin for it, maybe not? |
| 15:13.51 | Bushmills | dutchfish: recipients are virtual, or users with accounts? |
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| 15:14.20 | g00se | Other thing was: is it possible to start the X session remotely (without logging in gui-wise) so it can be connected to with vnc? |
| 15:14.39 | dutchfish | Bushmills, virtual |
| 15:14.55 | suppaman | I've this line at boot time: /sbin/start-stop-daemon -S -c suppa -d /home/suppa --exec /usr/bin/vncserver |
| 15:14.55 | Bushmills | if grep "^$RECIPIENT" /etc/postfix/virtual ; then echo "user exists" ; fi might do |
| 15:14.57 | dutchfish | Bushmills, at leaston thta box (its a relay) |
| 15:15.16 | suppaman | but in the vncserver urxvt doesn't run .shrc |
| 15:15.30 | cellofellow | ok, to compile a customized kernel I apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r`? |
| 15:15.35 | cellofellow | and then? |
| 15:15.42 | suppaman | if I kill vncserver and relaunch it as a user it works fine executing shrc and all |
| 15:15.56 | dutchfish | Bushmills, no, i have no virtual rules setup on the relay because it changes too much |
| 15:16.05 | suppaman | cellofellow: change dir to /usr/src and have fun |
| 15:16.06 | dutchfish | Bushmills, only virtual domains |
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| 15:16.18 | Bushmills | ah |
| 15:17.04 | cellofellow | seems empty-ish. Do I need a different package? |
| 15:17.08 | dutchfish | Bushmills, so what i need is a method of checking it at the endpoint by means of smtp (would be the easiest) |
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| 15:17.24 | Bushmills | dutchfish: i don't know of a ready to use script or plugin, and would probably use the netcat talking to smtp server route then. |
| 15:17.28 | suppaman | cellofellow: sure, I wasn't really reading, linux-image is the image to boot the system |
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| 15:17.51 | cellofellow | suppaman: that's the package that has the hostap driver modules in it, though. |
| 15:18.07 | suppaman | cellofellow: I think you need linux-source-something |
| 15:18.08 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ok, how to config postfix to use my script? the script i can write myself, thats the easy part. |
| 15:18.23 | suppaman | cellofellow: I don't know what hostap is |
| 15:18.55 | cellofellow | suppaman: driver for Prism2/2.5/3 wifi chips. |
| 15:19.09 | Crissi | when 2.6.25 will be in testing? |
| 15:19.11 | balibalo | hi |
| 15:19.14 | Crissi | i think its an very important version and should be in next debian stable |
| 15:19.30 | cellofellow | suppaman: I need to compile it to be able to flash firmware to the thing. |
| 15:19.36 | liable | Crissi: when it gets there. |
| 15:19.43 | dutchfish | Bushmills, it prolly somewhere sits at the smtp incoming rules, so the reject as soon as possible if non-excistent box |
| 15:19.43 | Bushmills | dutchfish: look at how for example spamassassin is interfaced, receiving messages from postfix to examine them. |
| 15:19.49 | Crissi | haha |
| 15:20.13 | dutchfish | Bushmills, good tip! i will do, thank you! |
| 15:20.18 | balibalo | I have this problem : |
| 15:20.20 | balibalo | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 15:20.21 | balibalo | and i can t update my system, who know i can solve it please ? |
| 15:20.29 | themill | Crissi: It's not even in unstable yet. /msg dpkg siyh |
| 15:21.08 | Bushmills | dutchfish: you'd probably edit master.cf, to add a line telling it to pipe mail to your script |
| 15:21.53 | dutchfish | Bushmills, no, more likely examine to rcpt to: thats before that |
| 15:22.30 | Bushmills | dutchfish: hmm.. i thought, postfix calling a script of yours so you can obtain the recipient name from it. |
| 15:22.47 | dutchfish | Bushmills, yes, the question is at what point |
| 15:22.47 | Bushmills | and using that name to check on the target smtp server |
| 15:23.08 | Bushmills | first part would be master.cf addition. postfix passing message to script1. |
| 15:23.08 | cusco | cellofellow: no you don't |
| 15:23.17 | cusco | cellofellow: do you know what driver do you need? |
| 15:23.21 | balibalo | please what the problem : |
| 15:23.23 | balibalo | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 15:23.25 | cusco | check http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_chipset.php?chipset=Prism&zoek=Show |
| 15:23.33 | Bushmills | script one extracts recipient name, and runs script2, testing on target smtp server |
| 15:23.34 | themill | !tell balibalo about mmap |
| 15:23.51 | themill | dutchfish: it's hard to believe this doesn't already exist in postfix. I'd ask them. If it doesn't, then use it as a check_policy_service in smtpd_recipient_restrictions |
| 15:24.02 | Bushmills | according the result, script one takes on or another action |
| 15:24.16 | dutchfish | themill, yes i think so too |
| 15:24.26 | cellofellow | cusco: I need hostap to be able to flash firmware. |
| 15:24.44 | cellofellow | cusco: out of the box, hostap can do anything else. |
| 15:25.39 | cellofellow | I'm beginning I might try using Windows to flash this stupid firmware. All I want is for the thing to work with WPA. |
| 15:25.45 | dutchfish | themill, can smtpd_recipient_restriction = be a script? |
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| 15:27.04 | dutchfish | themill, normally its: check_recipient_access maptype:mapname |
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| 15:27.53 | suppaman | cellofellow: is hostap in m-a list? |
| 15:28.06 | themill | dutchfish: smtpd_recipient_restriction is a list of things to check that return ack/nack/dunno. check_policy_service passes the envelope off to something to process it. If you end up starting to cobble something together for this, then take the postgrey source code as a model as this already does this but for greylisting. |
| 15:28.14 | cellofellow | suppaman: yes, but only in Sarge, tried that. :( |
| 15:28.34 | suppaman | !sarge |
| 15:28.34 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended at 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>. |
| 15:28.34 | cellofellow | http://packages.debian.org/hostap-source |
| 15:29.03 | dutchfish | themill, yes, right |
| 15:29.18 | dutchfish | themill, i will figure it out, at the end |
| 15:29.29 | cellofellow | and the hostap website just says use the hostap driver that's now in the kernel tree. |
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| 15:29.59 | cellofellow | is this a lost cause? The computer was compiling the kernel for 12 hours, and then froze. |
| 15:30.15 | themill | dutchfish: but you're getting towards the end of my postfix knowledge here... It's one of those set-it-up-and-forget-it things. Ask somewhere postfix-specific (irc or mailing list) and if you have debian-specific problems about implementing it, then most certainly ask back here again. |
| 15:30.33 | Bushmills | themill: postgrey is a daemon .. listening to a port to be talked to by postfix .. not sure whether that's the proper path for calling a one-off action per message. |
| 15:30.44 | dutchfish | themill, yup, ones postfix is running correclty, it runs for years ;) |
| 15:30.50 | suppaman | cellofellow: what cpu is it? 12 hours seems really too much |
| 15:31.00 | cellofellow | PIII Katmai 450Mhz. |
| 15:31.27 | themill | Bushmills: it's ideal for that.... every message that comes in needs to have the rcpt checked, so having a daemon running saves all the process startup/teardown overhead. |
| 15:31.32 | dutchfish | themill, thank you very much for your hints! |
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| 15:31.46 | suppaman | 12 hours seems too much, I'm using a PII and it took a few hours back then in 2.2 time |
| 15:31.51 | themill | dutchfish: no worries... let us know how you go |
| 15:32.05 | cellofellow | I should have stripped out as much as possible. |
| 15:32.12 | suppaman | cellofellow: anyway hostap-source is in m-a |
| 15:32.21 | cellofellow | suppaman: no, it's not. |
| 15:32.24 | cellofellow | http://packages.debian.org/hostap-source |
| 15:32.24 | suppaman | cellofellow: can't you let it build the module |
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| 15:32.35 | suppaman | suppa@bardeau:~$ sudo m-a la | grep hostap |
| 15:32.35 | suppaman | hostap-source (source package not installed): |
| 15:32.38 | drwahl | i am seeing a TON of attempts on my box of people (or bots more likely) trying to log in as root from a single ip. is there any packages that will automatically block access from a specific IP if X amount of attempts have been made to log in? |
| 15:32.40 | abuyazan | themill, i sent email using exim but it gives me timeout, that mean it get the ip address from DNS not from hosts |
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| 15:32.44 | cellofellow | only in Sarge, hostap-source is in the m-a list, but try m-a get hostap |
| 15:32.49 | drwahl | or, can i disable logging in as root via ssh? |
| 15:33.27 | liable | drwahl: fail2ban |
| 15:33.29 | themill | drwahl: fail2ban is good for this. You can also forbid root ssh logins anyway in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 15:33.49 | drwahl | thanks, thats the info was looking for :) |
| 15:33.52 | liable | drwahl: its strongly advised to disable root login for ssh |
| 15:33.56 | cahoot | and/or only accept key-based login |
| 15:34.18 | cellofellow | suppaman: seems that m-a just doesn't have the ability to fix this. I tried that already. |
| 15:34.25 | liable | key based and still no root login |
| 15:34.44 | suppaman | bye |
| 15:34.49 | themill | or if you really need it, keybased root login and only from designated hosts |
| 15:35.19 | cellofellow | my problem isn't the driver driving the card, it does that fine, it's flashing the firmware. |
| 15:35.29 | themill | abuyazan: it shouldn't do. But it's hard to say without specifics here... Does getent hosts machinename work? What DNS lookup is exim doing? Are you trying to specify the MX record for who should handle mail? or just the IP of your smart relay? |
| 15:35.37 | Bushmills | abuyazan: what are you trying to do? i mean, why would you want to provide a different address than dns says? maybe what you try to do is what the dns mx record is for. |
| 15:36.01 | cellofellow | maybe I'll just use Windows, but that will be a pain too cause I have only one working Windows desktop and this is a PCI card. |
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| 15:36.18 | cellofellow | or I could just use WEP instead of WPA. |
| 15:36.24 | cellofellow | That'd work. |
| 15:36.29 | cellofellow | Should I just give up? |
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| 15:37.00 | abuyazan | Bushmills, the problem is PIX firewall did not allow server on the same DMZ to talk to each others on their real IP addresses |
| 15:37.33 | themill | abuyazan: For what reason do the two machines need to talk to each other? |
| 15:37.34 | liable | cellofellow: see linuxwireless.org for some compatability tarballs and general wireless stuff |
| 15:37.56 | abuyazan | so i have more than one mail server, when one of them send email to domain exist on other server it will talk to it on real ip which PIX will prevent it |
| 15:38.27 | cellofellow | THE DRIVER WORKS! IT'S THE CARDS DAMN FIRMWARE THAT DOESNT SUPPORT THE WPA AND I NEED TO UPGRADE THAT. THE DRIVER DOESN'T SUPPORT FLASHING FIRMWARE. |
| 15:38.31 | abuyazan | themill, one of them running CPanel and have domains with their email |
| 15:38.37 | cellofellow | dang, I'm losing my cool. |
| 15:38.45 | abuyazan | and i have main mail server which serve all my customers |
| 15:39.13 | liable | cellofellow: yes, and your caps key seems to be sticky |
| 15:39.17 | cellofellow | http://paste.debian.net/1013/ |
| 15:39.18 | abuyazan | so when the domain on CP want to send email to other on main server , it will talk to it |
| 15:39.19 | cellofellow | sorry |
| 15:39.25 | themill | abuyazan: I'm still not following, but I'm guessing that you're trying to manipulate MX records using the hosts file, which you can't do. |
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| 15:40.17 | Bushmills | abuyazan: not sure whether i completely understand - but .. your firewall keeps your smtp server to talk to the outside. so you try to use some rube goldberg scheme to work around that. |
| 15:40.20 | abuyazan | i have MG1 with IP 1.2.3.4 and CP server with ip 5.6.7.8 ok |
| 15:40.53 | cellofellow | the current firmware is 1.3.6, the latest is 1.8.4. And it just won't flash. |
| 15:40.55 | Bushmills | abuyazan: wouldn't it be easier then to allow your smtp server to talk to the remote server? |
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| 15:41.06 | abuyazan | and the two server have private ip inside PIX 192.168.20.(same last ip) |
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| 15:42.00 | abuyazan | when domain x on CP send email to domain Y which it is MX is MG1 it need to send it on MG real IP |
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| 15:42.27 | abuyazan | i just want to add record on hosts that tell CP server that MG1 IP is 192.168.20.x |
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| 15:43.10 | abuyazan | Bushmills, this is what i am waiting our PIX firewall admins to solve |
| 15:43.30 | abuyazan | but i am searching about workaround solution if i can find |
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| 15:43.36 | damnnazi | when (re) configuring how do i get rid of the textboxes to get the text printed to stdout |
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| 15:44.22 | Deepa | I'm gonna use PXE to boot Debian, thus I need to move some files to a NFS system |
| 15:44.28 | Deepa | what files exactly do I need :P? |
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| 15:45.25 | Bushmills | Deepa: with syslinux comes pxelinux which is a pxe boot loader, makes it unnecessary to prepare your actual boot image for pxe |
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| 15:45.52 | Bushmills | you also want a tftp daemon on the boot server |
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| 15:45.56 | themill | abuyazan: It sounds even more like you are trying to manipulate MX records using the hosts file, which you can't do. |
| 15:46.12 | Bushmills | and a suited dhcp server |
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| 15:47.20 | damnnazi | Fatal: Cannot open: /etc/lilo.conf |
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| 15:47.22 | damnnazi | when (re) configuring how do i get rid of the textboxes to get the text printed to stdout |
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| 15:48.11 | Bushmills | Deepa: if the machine you boot doesn't have a device which can serve as root partition, you may need to compile a kernel, with root over nfs over . |
| 15:48.37 | ArtVandalae | Hi I'm using Debian Lenny - I've noticed extremely slow file copying under GNOME. Particularly from CD to HDD, and from HDD to Network Share (Samba). I'm using the 64bit version. |
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| 15:50.51 | Bushmills | abuyazan: not sure whether the effort of this is worth the waiting time: as firewall piercing connection i like to use openvpn :) |
| 15:50.51 | pamila | anyone else having problems with audacious on testing? seems to segfault. |
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| 15:51.19 | abuyazan | i dont know, i will wait the security admins if they have a solution |
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| 15:51.29 | abuyazan | thanks Bushmills themill and all |
| 15:51.48 | themill | abuyazan: no worries. Good luck. |
| 15:52.04 | abuyazan | thanks themill |
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| 15:56.11 | dutchfish | themill, got it: virtual_mailbox_maps = tcp:[ip-adress] and that adress a simple script queries the endpoint and returns true for a valid adress. Thats it. got it already working. |
| 15:56.45 | Deepa | Bushmills, for PXELINUX there's a option called something about nfs |
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| 15:57.03 | Deepa | But I haven't got any HDD at the other computers |
| 15:57.31 | Deepa | nfsroot even |
| 15:57.40 | themill | dutchfish: sounds pretty easy in the end. |
| 15:57.57 | dutchfish | themill, a was baffled how many backends postfix supports! about 20 or so, wow |
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| 15:58.42 | dimes | Anyone have any pointers to getting changes to grub's menu.lst to persist over apt-get'd kernel upgrades? Specifically I have console settings that get cleared out everytime a kernel is upgraded or installed. Thank you |
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| 15:59.16 | Bushmills | Deepa: yes, but independent of it, if your kernel doesn't have the capability to mount root over nfs, there is nothing pxelinux can do about it. |
| 15:59.26 | liable | dimes: ##groot and ##kopt, read the file |
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| 15:59.53 | Deepa | I got a vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-686 |
| 15:59.54 | Deepa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:00.04 | dutchfish | themill, it boils down to this: virtual_mailbox_maps = ... sends a mailadress and expect true or false. thats it. |
| 16:00.06 | liable | eh? |
| 16:00.20 | Bushmills | Deepa: matters mostly if you netboot diskless macines. |
| 16:00.22 | Bushmills | machines |
| 16:00.30 | Deepa | It's a diskless machine |
| 16:00.39 | Deepa | And I got two of them :-) |
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| 16:01.23 | Bushmills | Deepa: in which case your kernel will have to be able to cope with the case that its root dir is an nfs export |
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| 16:02.04 | Deepa | What I mean't by should be able to handle it is that it was compiled ON a identical machine for THIS exact purpose |
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| 16:03.23 | Deepa | now what files from Debian do I need :p? |
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| 16:04.44 | nox-Hand | Which package contains ifconfig? |
| 16:05.10 | Deepa | You need to run it as root iirc |
| 16:05.13 | Bushmills | atftpd, dhcp3-server (assuming it is pxe suited, not sure about it), syslinux (for pxelinux) |
| 16:05.24 | themill | !tell nox-Hand about search |
| 16:05.34 | stew | nox-Hand: net-tools, "/msg dpkg search" for ways that you can answer this question yourself |
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| 16:05.41 | Deepa | Bushmills, I'm gonna boot the Debian system over PXE. I already got a working PXE + NFS setup |
| 16:05.54 | Deepa | Running memtest86 never were more interesting :-) |
| 16:06.09 | Bushmills | Deepa: about creating the client system directories on the server, i assume you build those by hand. |
| 16:06.20 | themill | stew: I hear congratulations are in order! |
| 16:06.27 | Deepa | I am building it by hand ;P |
| 16:06.30 | Deepa | But what exactly do I need XD? |
| 16:06.39 | Deepa | Do I just move my entire system over to the NFS server? |
| 16:06.44 | Bushmills | Deepa: server is same cpu as clients? |
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| 16:07.07 | Deepa | Yes |
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| 16:08.04 | Bushmills | Deepa: makes it easier. you could consider to chroot to client dirs, and install packages another time. or, hardlink them to the server files (though i find it preferable to have independent systems) |
| 16:08.06 | justin | Bushmills: the kernel does not need nfs root support to boot from nfs |
| 16:08.30 | Deepa | the server is not running Debian |
| 16:08.34 | dutchfish | Deepa, what id did: debootrap a minimal system in the right place, config nfs to mount the dirs on the server in the client by chrooting into, install my stuff e voila. |
| 16:08.37 | Bushmills | justin: no, not to boot. but to mount partitions on nfs if root is on nfs too |
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| 16:08.47 | keith4 | Deepa: i just found a bunch of documentation on how to do that |
| 16:09.00 | justin | Bushmills: which all debian kernels have. no compiling needed |
| 16:09.14 | justin | keith4: most documentation for nfs root is outdated |
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| 16:09.34 | Bushmills | justin: ah, good. that wasn't the case in the past. |
| 16:09.38 | keith4 | justin: yah, I noticed that. How's this one? http://home.subnet.at/~max/diskless/index.php |
| 16:09.56 | keith4 | granted, he's talking about 2.4, but the principle is the same |
| 16:10.09 | justin | keith4: outdated, you don't need to compile a kernel |
| 16:10.13 | keith4 | well, sure |
| 16:10.20 | dutchfish | justin, yup |
| 16:10.28 | keith4 | but the dhcp, nfs, tftp, whatever setup is relevant |
| 16:10.38 | justin | the debian initrd tools these days know how to mount stuff from nfs |
| 16:10.51 | nox-Hand | themill: stew, Thankyou :] |
| 16:11.33 | keith4 | or, you could always use LTSP: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto |
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| 16:12.06 | Blackbuster | Not many people working a Ventrilo client program that will be able to be used for Linux |
| 16:12.12 | themill | nox-Hand: You almost certainly have it installed already, it just might not be in your path since it's in /sbin. |
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| 16:12.29 | Deepa | Blackbuster, and that's why Ventrilo sucks |
| 16:12.52 | Blackbuster | I see someone though was brave enough to start up something for KDE unless someone else know's something I don't |
| 16:12.57 | nox-Hand | themill: You are correct, yet it is odd that a default installed app is not in $path, but thanks :) |
| 16:13.27 | Blackbuster | Deepa no it's not why ventrilo sucks that is why we have a community called Sourceforge |
| 16:13.40 | stew | themill: thank you! |
| 16:13.48 | themill | nox-Hand: it should be in root's path, but not a normal user's. A normal user usually has no business playing with things in /sbin |
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| 16:14.02 | themill | stew: :) |
| 16:14.04 | Deepa | Blackbuster, they only made the client for Windows and didn't release alot of specifications about it :p |
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| 16:14.11 | Blackbuster | So if the stupid people that are doing things for the windows stuff don't go out and do it themselves we get together and put our heads together to do it ourselves |
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| 16:14.17 | Deepa | Instead they say, use WINE |
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| 16:14.46 | nox-Hand | themill: Touché :) |
| 16:14.49 | Blackbuster | We shouldn't have to use wine |
| 16:15.09 | Deepa | It's what the devs says |
| 16:15.11 | Blackbuster | I see that there is a few new things out though |
| 16:15.33 | Blackbuster | Playonlinux |
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| 16:16.46 | themill | nox-Hand: well, sort of :) There are a few useful things that a non-root user can do with things in /sbin, but if they truly are useful to a non-root user, they probably should be in /bin instead. |
| 16:17.33 | stew | this is a hint that people should be switching from using /sbin/ifconfig to /bin/ip ! |
| 16:17.37 | Blackbuster | I think it's kind of stupid myself I mean considering they have support in Vent for Mac and windows based machines client side yet they have nothing yet for linux I mean I just don't get it |
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| 16:17.56 | Deepa | nah, ifconfig is more neat |
| 16:18.05 | stew | Deepa: how so? |
| 16:18.05 | Blackbuster | Wine only works to a certain extent |
| 16:18.21 | stew | Deepa: ip does everything ifconfig can do, and much much more |
| 16:18.37 | Deepa | stew, ifconfig gives output without having to pass argument |
| 16:18.53 | Deepa | and also, at first glance it's less confusing |
| 16:19.14 | Deepa | vim or emacs? |
| 16:19.18 | stew | yes, i'd have to run "ip a" or "ip r" its troublesome :) |
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| 16:19.38 | Blackbuster | I have already been down that road and its not a cool road to go down |
| 16:19.40 | Deepa | nah, ifconfig still has a more neat response |
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| 16:20.09 | Deepa | though I guess 'ip a' is more suitable for a small terminal |
| 16:20.46 | stew | and suitable when you want to know all of your ip addresses, since ifconfig isnt' smart enough to tell you about all of them all the time |
| 16:21.08 | Deepa | I get all my IP addresses when I run ifconfig :-) |
| 16:21.23 | stew | Deepa: then you must not have any interfaces with more than one ip address |
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| 16:21.40 | Deepa | of course not, this is but a simple laptop |
| 16:21.41 | pred2k3 | hi, when I forward ports via ssh, which accept connections on remote machine do i have to config that port in iptables? |
| 16:21.58 | stew | Deepa: are you sure you don't have a zerconf address? |
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| 16:22.16 | Deepa | positively sure I do not |
| 16:22.36 | halflife08 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.45 | dutchfish | zeroconf |
| 16:22.54 | liable | you usualy only get them when avahi starts and no ifaces are configured. |
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| 16:23.26 | stew | halflife08: an address in 169.254.0.0/16 |
| 16:23.35 | Deepa | I hate those |
| 16:23.36 | dutchfish | like macs do all the time, so arptables see flip/flops |
| 16:23.39 | liable | hates avahi for no particular reason |
| 16:23.44 | Deepa | liable, same |
| 16:24.04 | themill | liable: because real men configure things rather than letting them configure themselves? |
| 16:24.34 | Deepa | real men wears dipers |
| 16:24.41 | dutchfish | haha |
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| 16:24.46 | Deepa | Didn't your Mother tell you? |
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| 16:24.54 | liable | themill: no, because i dont like something babbling on the network when i didnt ask it to. i'll install windows if i want that capability.. |
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| 16:25.08 | themill | :) |
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| 16:25.20 | Deepa | I just for fun send out packets randomly on the network at school |
| 16:25.24 | Blackbuster | Ha ha ha |
| 16:25.32 | stew | zomg how do you talk to printers on ad-hoc networkz!?! |
| 16:25.50 | cahoot | bit by bit |
| 16:27.02 | liable | i dont mind avahi if you want it. but it seems package maintainers seem to think its a required packege these days. |
| 16:27.24 | vanksi | i had to boot my server and now public key authentication fails with "server has refused our key" |
| 16:27.31 | vanksi | how is this possible, i changed nothing |
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| 16:33.05 | dutchfish | vanksi, you sure your server did restart? did it come backup? |
| 16:33.07 | Zoup | how can i generate ssl certificate for apache2 ? apache2-ssl-certificate is missing |
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| 16:34.35 | halflife08 | Zoup: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/284 |
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| 16:36.32 | vanksi | dutchfish, well i can log in |
| 16:36.32 | Zoup | halflife08: thanks |
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| 16:36.44 | vanksi | just the public key auth fails |
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| 16:36.58 | vanksi | and now my nagios if fscked |
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| 16:37.29 | vanksi | can't for the life of me figure out what could possibly break that |
| 16:37.32 | vanksi | in a reboot |
| 16:37.51 | Zoup | halflife08: by the way do you have any idea why apache2-ssl-certificate is removed ? that was quite handy |
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| 16:38.38 | Daemonus | audio output unavailable: the device is busy. xine parameters, how can i fix this problem? |
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| 16:39.07 | Zoup | Daemonus: any other application is using your device ? |
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| 16:39.13 | Daemonus | nop |
| 16:39.20 | Zoup | Daemonus: does alsamixer works ? if its alsa ? |
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| 16:40.24 | Daemonus | im having problems with OSS and alsa |
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| 16:40.51 | Zoup | Daemonus: drop oss ;) |
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| 16:42.28 | Daemonus | brb |
| 16:43.11 | themill | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 16:43.11 | dpkg | i heard apache2-ssl-certificate is no longer present: ask me about <self-signed ssl key> or use make-ssl-cert from package ssl-cert instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520 |
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| 16:44.48 | Zoup | dpkg: Thanks! |
| 16:44.48 | dpkg | no problem, Zoup |
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| 16:50.53 | twobitsp1ite | are the preinst/postinst files of a debian package run in the base directory of the install? I.e., how do I know where my package was installed? |
| 16:51.02 | twobitsp1ite | the policy manual doesn't seem the mention this |
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| 16:51.39 | simonrvn | what? |
| 16:51.47 | simonrvn | in / |
| 16:52.01 | xan | Hello, is tcl8.5 already included in the apt packaging system? (highest I see at the moment is tcl8.4) |
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| 16:53.12 | craigevil | xan: tcl8.5 - Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.5 - run-time files, is in Sid and probably in backports |
| 16:53.36 | twobitsp1ite | xan: you can always check http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 16:53.48 | xan | ok thanks |
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| 16:54.57 | halflife08 | twobitsp1ite: dpkg -L <installedpackagename> |
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| 16:55.16 | twobitsp1ite | halflife08: ahh, so the package will show up in dpkg by the time my scripts are run? |
| 16:55.56 | halflife08 | twobitsp1ite: i don't know what your scripts are and when they are run |
| 16:56.25 | halflife08 | twobitsp1ite: so couldn't tell you |
| 16:56.36 | twobitsp1ite | halflife08: I'm talking about the preinst/postinst scritps that go into a .deb |
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| 17:00.03 | ma3x | how do i increase brightness of my laptop? |
| 17:00.13 | ma3x | i took out power ac and it got darkened |
| 17:00.38 | abrotman | put the plug back in |
| 17:00.49 | alturiak | you probably got some key-combination using Fn-key to brighten the display |
| 17:00.59 | sepski | ma3x, mine have a fn+ dark/light sun icon that i can use to adjust it up /down |
| 17:01.02 | ma3x | alturiak: it doesnt work |
| 17:01.07 | halflife08 | ma3x: hit the fn key usually in blue font and the key that the sun icon |
| 17:01.07 | ma3x | sepski: it doesnt work |
| 17:01.15 | cahoot | try xbacklight? |
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| 17:02.13 | Nazcafan_ | hello |
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| 17:02.23 | Nazcafan_ | I am installing debian on a macbook |
| 17:02.36 | Nazcafan_ | but the terminal went sudently berzerck |
| 17:03.04 | Nazcafan_ | now it displays some cubes and no characters I can understand |
| 17:03.41 | abrotman | BERERKA! |
| 17:03.46 | abrotman | +Z |
| 17:04.03 | Nazcafan_ | ? |
| 17:04.27 | Nazcafan_ | any clue on howo to reset the terminals so they display readable characters ? |
| 17:05.05 | Bushmills | Nazcafan_: try echo -e "\015" or 16 or 17, forgot which |
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| 17:05.39 | halflife08 | Nazcafan: run the command reset |
| 17:05.41 | Bushmills | Nazcafan: you'd have to type that blind, of course, though the numbers should display correctly |
| 17:05.53 | abrotman | or hit ctrl-L |
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| 17:05.56 | abrotman | erm .. -l |
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| 17:07.04 | ineiros | Nazcafan: "reset" might also help. See "man reset" for what it exactly does. |
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| 17:08.59 | tiveron | hi people! |
| 17:09.33 | Nazcafan | ineiros: reset does not work |
| 17:10.27 | Nazcafan | I think it might not be included in the install CD's shell |
| 17:10.45 | Daemonus | Zoup, thanks for the help, dropping OSS it fix the problem |
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| 17:12.49 | tzanger | quick apt question... I had a system reset in the middle of an update, now it says dpkg --reconfigure -a needs to be run (which I did) but one of the postinstall scripts is broke (probably a partial write) |
| 17:13.09 | tzanger | so I apt-get install --reinstall the failed package, thinking that would overwrite the mangled script |
| 17:13.16 | tzanger | but it fails at the same part after re-downloading it |
| 17:13.27 | tzanger | any ideas as to what I can do from here? |
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| 17:14.36 | underscore | hey, I want to write a program that, when executed, tells the system that a keyboard button was pressed. |
| 17:14.39 | underscore | How do I do that? |
| 17:14.40 | Bushmills | tzanger: purge the broken package, |
| 17:14.52 | tzanger | Bushmills: how does one do that? I'm apt-stupid |
| 17:15.04 | Bushmills | tzanger: dpkg -P name-of-package |
| 17:15.39 | tzanger | urgh, that is failing because the package that failed is a dependency on a half dozen more |
| 17:15.54 | cellofellow | hoooray! my WiFi card works with WPA now. |
| 17:16.06 | Bushmills | tzanger: force deinstall of package, then install package again |
| 17:16.07 | cellofellow | I turned to the dark side and used Windows to flash the firmware. |
| 17:16.11 | tzanger | Bushmills: can I safely tell dpkg to ignore dependencies and and install again? |
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| 17:16.17 | tzanger | ok |
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| 17:17.11 | Bushmills | (though i wouldn't know why reinstall didn't fix it) |
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| 17:18.05 | tzanger | hmm |
| 17:18.12 | PhrkOnLsh | why dows apt try to set all of kde to be autoremoved when I uninstall one kde application? I tried to apt-get remove kopete and ksirc and it marked evey kde (and x for that matter) package to be autoremoved |
| 17:18.14 | tzanger | deinstall is a seelction flag |
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| 17:18.26 | tzanger | I would have though dpkg -r package would remove it |
| 17:18.38 | vsd | is bogomips a good sign to measure cpu speed? |
| 17:18.39 | Bushmills | tzanger: -P removes also config files |
| 17:18.50 | Bushmills | vsd, no |
| 17:18.51 | tzanger | yes, but -r doesn't (at least that's what the man page says |
| 17:19.00 | nox-Hand | Where might I find the list of valid mirrors? I hvae a mirror that is missing packages from it's list |
| 17:19.01 | abrotman | vsd: not really .. it's just the clock speed .. which is meaningless |
| 17:19.03 | vsd | Bushmills, what's a good one? |
| 17:19.04 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 17:19.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 17:19.16 | Bushmills | vsd, compiling a kernel :) |
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| 17:19.23 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: becuase kde depends on kopete, so removing kopete means that kde's dependencies are no longer satisfied so kde gets remove, and when kde gets removed, all its dependencies which are marked as automatica get removed |
| 17:19.39 | stew | PhrkOnLsh: you can unmark packages with apt-mark |
| 17:19.51 | PhrkOnLsh | ok, thankyou |
| 17:19.59 | vsd | ok approx. which would you think is faster. dual opteron running at 2ghz or dual xeon running at 3ghz? |
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| 17:20.13 | Bushmills | vsd, depends on what you use. a cpu which excels in one task which you never use may show a high benchmark performance but feel sluggish |
| 17:20.16 | nox-Hand | abrotman: Thanks -- I searched !sources.list :) |
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| 17:20.32 | Bushmills | vsd, best test it against what your actually used apps are |
| 17:20.33 | abrotman | throws chicken on RichiH |
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| 17:20.51 | abrotman | vsd: it should be the xeon .. but some corner case could make it the opteron |
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| 17:21.17 | tzanger | hmm |
| 17:21.21 | tzanger | I removed the debs from the cache |
| 17:21.26 | tzanger | but the install scripts are still there somewhere |
| 17:21.34 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 17:22.13 | tzanger | ok that's helping now, thanks abrotman |
| 17:22.21 | tzanger | now to reinstall kexi I think |
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| 17:23.17 | tzanger | urgh, it's saying libpoppler2 has no files list file... would apt-get install --reinstall not have replaced them? |
| 17:23.28 | keith4 | it's not a problem to boot off of a software raid mirror, right? |
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| 17:23.54 | stew | keith4: is /boot on raid? |
| 17:24.02 | keith4 | it's about to be |
| 17:24.08 | halflife08 | keith4: which raid ? |
| 17:24.15 | stew | keith4: then i thing you have to use lilo instead of grub |
| 17:24.22 | keith4 | ah |
| 17:24.24 | keith4 | screw that |
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| 17:24.38 | stew | unless grub has recently gotten smarter |
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| 17:25.05 | halflife08 | keith4: i had no problems with raid1 ,but raid5 grub has its problems when one of the devices is marked faulty |
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| 17:25.18 | stew | halflife08: you have /boot on raid1? |
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| 17:25.20 | keith4 | grub can boot off of software raid 1? |
| 17:25.23 | stew | halflife08: software raid1 that is? |
| 17:25.31 | halflife08 | stew: yes software raid |
| 17:25.57 | keith4 | thinks that last time he put /boot on software raid 1, using the debian installer, he ended up with lilo |
| 17:26.00 | tzanger | hmm okay apt-get install --reinstall does not download again, is there a way to tell it to ignore any deb it has and re-download it? |
| 17:26.21 | abrotman | apt-get clean .. then do it |
| 17:26.24 | keith4 | well, apt-get clean would certainly do it |
| 17:26.44 | keith4 | but it will also remove every other deb you've downloaded with apt |
| 17:26.45 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:26.56 | tzanger | stew: I didn't remove all the debs, just the ones that were corrupted |
| 17:27.02 | sChaaa | hola |
| 17:27.07 | SW0RDF15H | aloha |
| 17:27.08 | tzanger | libpoppler2 and libpoppler2-qt |
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| 17:27.57 | keith4 | stew: he seems to be correct... http://howtoforge.com/software-raid1-grub-boot-debian-etch |
| 17:28.25 | Younix | what thZ |
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| 17:28.46 | tzanger | oh there I may have go tit |
| 17:28.54 | stew | go tit! |
| 17:29.08 | Cromag | tit |
| 17:29.13 | Younix | tit |
| 17:29.26 | keith4 | of course, that guy is RAID1'ing swap... |
| 17:29.33 | keith4 | which I wasn't planning to do |
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| 17:29.39 | keith4 | then again, maybe I should? |
| 17:29.52 | Younix | maybe you should buy two farm animals |
| 17:29.54 | Younix | move to mississippi |
| 17:29.57 | halflife08 | keith4: why would you want to have it or not want to have it |
| 17:29.58 | Younix | raise three kids to tend to the goats |
| 17:30.08 | Younix | and marry a fat, bucktoothed hooker from toronto |
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| 17:30.14 | stew | Younix: stop |
| 17:30.17 | Younix | yep. |
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| 17:30.26 | tzanger | thanks fo the help guys... slowly getting this package thing :-) |
| 17:30.39 | stew | keith4: there is no reason to put raid on swap |
| 17:30.40 | keith4 | halflife08: well, you can just have two different swap partitions, and it will use both, perhaps "load" balanced |
| 17:30.46 | stew | keith4: yes |
| 17:30.55 | keith4 | but what if a disk dies, with swap on it? |
| 17:31.15 | keith4 | i think mirroring swap would definitely be a performance hit, but maybe i don't care, in this case... |
| 17:31.18 | stew | keith4: then your machine crashes regardless of anythign else |
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| 17:31.38 | keith4 | stew: right, but it might not crash with mirrored swap |
| 17:31.44 | keith4 | i've seen arguments both ways |
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| 17:32.23 | halflife08 | keith4: yup, used software raid for swap only to prevent app going down when disk is bad. when a disk is bad it does get marked faulty the apps humm away |
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| 17:32.35 | keith4 | well, i won't mirror it. this isn't exactly a high-availiblity setup |
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| 17:36.14 | sigp239 | Is it better to upgrade to testing from Etch or to install via the testing netinstall cd? |
| 17:36.48 | Poisson_Pilote | Well a clean install (netinst or not) is always better, of course |
| 17:36.56 | sigp239 | ok |
| 17:37.01 | hoxu | clean install as in what? |
| 17:37.05 | Phil|Away | sigp239, an upgrade lets you keep your current apps and configs |
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| 17:37.16 | hoxu | sigp239, I don't know what's the status of the installer, but using etch installer and then upgrading to lenny should work |
| 17:37.19 | Poisson_Pilote | hoxu, clean install as in everything installed from scratch |
| 17:37.20 | sigp239 | Phil|Away: Well let's say you have a blank hard drive for example. |
| 17:37.26 | Phil|Away | oh, right |
| 17:37.41 | Phil|Away | then of course, installing it straight off is better |
| 17:37.51 | stew | sigp239: the installer is beta. if it works it will be a faster process to get to testing, it might not work. installing etch and upgrading will work. |
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| 17:38.09 | user1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.21 | sigp239 | I got bunches of errors upgrading from Etch to Lenny... |
| 17:38.23 | hoxu | sigp239, if you go for lenny installer, beware that it may screw things up |
| 17:38.38 | hoxu | sigp239, what errors? |
| 17:38.39 | stew | sigp239: what is an example of an error you got |
| 17:38.41 | keith4 | user1: why are you using a cd image to upgrade? |
| 17:38.52 | Poisson_Pilote | Why want to upgrade to etch from lenny ? If you installed etch in the first place, it's that you want a stable system, no ? |
| 17:38.53 | user1 | keith4 ya |
| 17:38.55 | pngwn | sigp239, didn't you like the advice you got on the other network? |
| 17:39.02 | user1 | keith4 i dont want to burn it |
| 17:39.06 | stew | user1: you can mount the .iso with -o loop. man apt-cdrom to add it as a source |
| 17:39.08 | keith4 | well, crap. i rebooted a system that's a few miles away, and it didn't come back. this will have to wait |
| 17:39.16 | hoxu | !tell user1 about fuseiso |
| 17:39.20 | sigp239 | pngwn: Yes |
| 17:39.42 | ompaul | keith4, impi is what you want in a server miles away |
| 17:39.57 | sigp239 | hoxu;stew: hald failed to restart, bunch of perl errors about timezone, it wanted to remove gnome-desktop package |
| 17:40.00 | user1 | hoxu ok |
| 17:40.06 | user1 | stew full comand? |
| 17:40.08 | pngwn | I think it's considered bad form to post on both networks ;) |
| 17:40.10 | keith4 | ompaul: yah... don't I wish this thing had ipmi |
| 17:40.19 | keith4 | now I just have to convince someone closer to go take a look |
| 17:40.19 | hoxu | user1, if you use etch, heed stew's advice instead and use mount -o loop |
| 17:40.26 | stew | user1: mount -o loop /path/to/iso /mount/point |
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| 17:40.51 | user1 | stepomaticc what should be mount point for it to be read as a cd? |
| 17:40.59 | user1 | stew what should be mount point for it to be read as a cd? |
| 17:41.14 | keith4 | wherever you mount it |
| 17:41.22 | stew | user1: the same as the mount point you specify with apt-cdrom |
| 17:41.33 | user1 | stew i dont get it |
| 17:41.45 | stew | user1: anywhere you like |
| 17:41.47 | keith4 | "mount -o loop foo.iso /media/cdrom" or something similar |
| 17:41.49 | user1 | keith4 what ever mount point i give. it will be run as a cd? |
| 17:41.58 | keith4 | it will never be "run as a cd" |
| 17:42.08 | keith4 | user1: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 17:42.13 | Bushmills | any empty directory, that is |
| 17:42.23 | hoxu | keith4, he's trying to install stuff from an ISO image I guess |
| 17:42.25 | user1 | keith4 upgrade kubuntu from alternate iso cd image |
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| 17:42.33 | hoxu | user1, mount it in /media/cdrom for example... |
| 17:42.33 | keith4 | ooh, big mistake |
| 17:42.43 | user1 | hoxu ok |
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| 17:43.00 | hoxu | I guess #ubuntu can't support their users since they have to come here :P |
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| 17:43.33 | stew | user1: please go to #kubuntu or #ubuntu for help with kubuntu |
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| 17:45.14 | Poisson_Pilote | hoxu, that is one deft troll :D |
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| 17:45.40 | hoxu | Poisson_Pilote, that's why added ':P' there :P |
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| 17:47.37 | Poisson_Pilote | i'd have guessed so, hoxu |
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| 17:48.41 | Lethalman | can anyone close this bug? #476721 |
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| 17:49.11 | user1 | stew its working |
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| 17:49.32 | user1 | stew what is the meaning of -o loop ? |
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| 17:49.58 | stew | user1: loopback. please seek help in #kubuntu, not here |
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| 17:50.25 | vsd | how can i identify if my cpu has hyperthreading from the cli? |
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| 17:50.54 | keith4 | vsd: what kernel are you using? |
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| 17:51.06 | vsd | 2.6.18 |
| 17:51.10 | stew | vsd: grep "flags.*\bht\b" /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 17:51.28 | hoxu | Lethalman, maybe you can send a notfound request, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control |
| 17:51.30 | keith4 | will cpuinfo show that, if he somehow isn't using SMP kernel? |
| 17:51.36 | stew | keith4: yes |
| 17:51.41 | keith4 | ah, good to know |
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| 17:52.14 | Lethalman | hoxu, what is notfound request? |
| 17:52.38 | hoxu | Lethalman, that URL wasn't for decoration |
| 17:52.51 | vsd | stew, i shows ht |
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| 17:53.38 | Lethalman | nice thing hoxu thanks |
| 17:53.45 | keith4 | okay, i have a strange problem |
| 17:53.45 | stew | vsd: then your cpu supports hyperthreading |
| 17:53.47 | Haris | snmpd doesn't start |
| 17:53.49 | Haris | hmm |
| 17:54.04 | vsd | stew, i don't know if it is one xeon with ht or it is 2 cpus. |
| 17:54.13 | keith4 | i have a machine with a bunch of disks. some of them used to be /dev/hda and /dev/hdb. one time, when i rebooted, they came up as /dev/sda and /dev/sdb. I was like "okay, whatever... updated kernel, or something". I just rebooted again, and now they're back to hda and hdb |
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| 17:54.24 | stew | vsd: it's 1 xeon |
| 17:54.29 | Buck | how can I search the apt repos from the command line? |
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| 17:54.37 | stew | vsd: its the number of cpu's showing up in cpuinfo / 2 |
| 17:54.38 | keith4 | Buck apt-cache search |
| 17:54.41 | Buck | ty |
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| 17:54.48 | Haris | Apr 18 22:53:23 sglhrcvs snmpd[6416]: error finding row index in _ifXTable_restore |
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| 17:54.52 | hoxu | Lethalman, np, there's more info on http://bugs.debian.org/ |
| 17:54.54 | Haris | ? |
| 17:55.03 | hoxu | !tell Buck about search |
| 17:55.04 | Lethalman | thanks hoxu |
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| 17:55.45 | dimes | liable: still there? |
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| 17:56.01 | Buck | what's a decent pronouncible console password generator? |
| 17:56.28 | Deepa | animals |
| 17:56.42 | stew | oxymoron |
| 17:56.53 | Buck | are you being sarcastic? |
| 17:56.59 | Buck | >_> |
| 17:57.09 | stew | i'm not. if they are pronoucable, they are probably not decent passwords |
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| 17:57.38 | user1 | stew iam asking about a general command. that is used in debian |
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| 17:58.06 | Lethalman | hoxu, i don't have the version 0.4.10-1+b2 |
| 17:58.11 | Lethalman | i've +b1 |
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| 17:58.23 | stew | user1: this channel is not the right channel for asking questions about general commands used in debian. it is for end user support of debian. as a user of a different distro, you should be asking questions in a channel specific to your distro |
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| 17:58.51 | rahul | user1: there is #linux for general linux help |
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| 17:59.10 | user1 | ok |
| 17:59.40 | azeem | hrm, how can I start X apps from a chroot again? |
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| 18:00.01 | stew | azeem: /tmp/.X11-unix/ /home/roots/lenny-32/tmp/.X11-unix none bind 0 0 |
| 18:00.02 | rahul | cp the .Xauthority |
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| 18:00.08 | rahul | that, too |
| 18:00.19 | venger | if i need the older libhunspell 1.1-0 in debian sid, since gnome dependancies depend on it... can i simply simply add the testing repo and use apt to install that specific version? |
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| 18:00.49 | abrotman | !dsn |
| 18:00.51 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 18:00.51 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 18:01.01 | Lethalman | hoxu, ? |
| 18:01.03 | venger | thanks |
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| 18:02.28 | azeem | rahul, stew: awesome, thanks |
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| 18:10.10 | stew | i like to move it move it |
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| 18:10.51 | ehird | I cannot hear anything. I don't see why this would be, it's never happened on any other distro. Maybe a reboot would help. |
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| 18:12.04 | stew | ehird: run alsamixer and make sure both pcm and master are both unmuted AND turned up |
| 18:12.52 | ehird | stew, I have no 'alsamixer'. |
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| 18:13.11 | stew | ehird: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
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| 18:13.28 | stew | ehird: and /msg dpkg alsa oneliner |
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| 18:13.46 | ehird | stew, I have no 'alsaconf', even as root. |
| 18:13.58 | stew | !alsa oneliner is <reply> see alsa one-liner |
| 18:13.58 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 18:14.03 | stew | !alsa oneliner |
| 18:14.03 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is probably "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
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| 18:15.43 | ehird | stew, Done all that. I still hear nothing from totem. |
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| 18:16.12 | cahoot | hda-intel? |
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| 18:16.50 | tharvey_ | I'm familar with redhat/fedora but not so much debian/ubuntu - how would one configure what services to run at boot via cmdline (ie, redhat/fedora uses 'chkconfig' util) |
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| 18:17.16 | hoxu | tharvey_, update-rc.d |
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| 18:18.01 | tharvey_ | hoxu, thanks! is there an equivalent to the redhat 'services' frontend to start/stop services or does one just use full path to service ie /etc/init.d/networking start |
| 18:18.06 | ehird | hmm, works now |
| 18:18.07 | chasing`Sol | guys, i installed debian on a flash usb pen drive with no issues, so when i rebooted, i got a an error that GRUB can't mount the root directory, so i created a new initrd image with the usb-storage, sd_mod, scsi_mod and ehci-hcd modules, but grub still fails with the same error, anyone have any idea how to solve this? |
| 18:18.20 | tharvey_ | hoxu, nvr mind same app - thanks |
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| 18:19.22 | hoxu | tharvey_, you can use that, or invoke-rc.d <script> <command> |
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| 18:20.01 | tharvey_ | cool thx |
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| 18:21.23 | chasing`Sol | any help guys? |
| 18:21.36 | zeitsofas | die sombody knows witch package i need to use dig |
| 18:22.18 | chasing`Sol | try apt-cache search dig |
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| 18:24.21 | zeitsofas | dig aren't a single package :( |
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| 18:25.37 | keith4 | zeitsofas: dnsutils |
| 18:26.03 | jstephenson | Do I need to restart anything for changes to /etc/resolv.conf to take effect? |
| 18:26.13 | zeitsofas | keith4 danke |
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| 18:26.20 | keith4 | jstephenson: no |
| 18:26.28 | keith4 | but you might want to flush your dns cache |
| 18:26.43 | jstephenson | keith4: Achieved how? |
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| 18:27.23 | keith4 | jstephenson: do you have nscd? |
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| 18:28.12 | jstephenson | keith4: No |
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| 18:28.23 | keith4 | then don't worry about it ;-) |
| 18:28.35 | jstephenson | Hah, thanks :). |
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| 18:30.34 | Scurz_ | hi |
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| 18:31.35 | Scurz_ | do you know another file manager different of nautilus? |
| 18:32.11 | sepski | zeitsofas, its in dnsutils or some such thing. |
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| 18:33.57 | Lethalman | raga che email client usate voi per il desktop? |
| 18:34.05 | aboyz | Anyone know of a website to look up your old NS:, For example, if I do a whois on my domain name it'll show up my NEW NEW SERVER is there a way to show old NAME SERVER I WAS USING anyone know of a way to do this? |
| 18:34.23 | _ben | hey guys, installed lighttpd using apt-get , no i want to install the geoip mod .. since i've got no src directory i dont know how to install the mod - and suggestions? |
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| 18:41.30 | YodaYoda | _ben: If you want to get the source use 'apt-get source packagename' |
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| 18:41.33 | jelly-home | aboyz: what about a simple soa or ns lookup? |
| 18:41.50 | jelly-home | aboyz: what's your domain name? |
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| 18:41.59 | YodaYoda | Scurz_: Thunar or Konqueror. |
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| 18:42.12 | jelly-home | !it |
| 18:42.13 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
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| 18:43.25 | Scurz_ | YodaYoda: okay thanks |
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| 18:45.33 | aboyz | nslookup will not work |
| 18:45.35 | aboyz | it got new data |
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| 18:50.40 | LemensTS | how do i get dhclient eth1 to come up on reboot? |
| 18:51.00 | stew | LemensTS: is eth1 configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 18:52.14 | LemensTS | Stew: No. It is actually a wifi pcmia card. It starts as wlan0, then ndiswrapper changes it to eth3. I notice that when i do dmesg. Wierd. I tried to add 'dhclient eth3' in /etc/network/interfaces and reboot no luck |
| 18:52.56 | stew | LemensTS: man interfaces |
| 18:52.58 | Nazcafan | Does anyone have an ipod here? |
| 18:53.13 | stew | Nazcafan: just make the safe assumption that someone does |
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| 18:54.03 | Nazcafan | can I put mp3 files to an ipod with rythmbox into an ipod and then plays them on the ipod? |
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| 18:55.55 | varney | anyone know how to run phpmyadmin from the default install dir using aptitude, so that php mod_fcgid can run it? (or even how to set it up to run it without having to install mod_php)?? |
| 18:56.11 | varney | i get suexec policy errors you see... |
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| 19:00.34 | dondelelcaro | varney: if you're getting suexec policy errors, then whatever is exec php4 isn't being run from within the suexec policy directory. |
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| 19:01.12 | dondelelcaro | the actual location of phpmyadmin doesn't matter, because it'll be passed to the php.cgi script which is owned by whatever user is correct. |
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| 19:05.18 | varney | well if i don't use a fcgi wrapper for the var/www/phpmyadmin directory, the php files end up being downloaded as text files |
| 19:05.56 | varney | so what are you suggesting - i run the wrapper from it's location inside the suexec docroot? |
| 19:06.33 | twobitsp1ite | is there a way to have apt install a .deb I have on my local disk and resolve depends from the repos? |
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| 19:07.42 | LemensTS | iface eth3 inet dhcp - does not work in /etc/network/interfaces, when i do /etc/init.d/networking restart (doesnt bring up eth3) |
| 19:07.51 | LemensTS | dhclient eth3 from the bash works tho |
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| 19:08.44 | paprikaprika | Hi, I've install zynjacku succesfully but it doesn't start... can somebody try to help me please? http://rafb.net/p/pRvrF154.html Thanks |
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| 19:09.25 | ommpa_loompa | Hi |
| 19:09.35 | ommpa_loompa | Im having problems with SPF and hotmail |
| 19:09.36 | varney | dondelelcaro: cheers, it seems to be working now, i learn!!! |
| 19:09.47 | ommpa_loompa | currently hotmail is not receiving my emails |
| 19:10.07 | stew | LemensTS: you have to add "auto eth3" if you want '/etc/init.d/networking restart' to bring up eth3 |
| 19:10.09 | ommpa_loompa | I have this under my SPF record: v=spf1 mx ip4:72.232.200.162 ~all |
| 19:10.22 | ommpa_loompa | which I got from http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/safety/content/technologies/senderid/wizard/default.aspx |
| 19:10.33 | LemensTS | stew: yea i just now read that on google as you wrote that heh |
| 19:10.43 | ommpa_loompa | has any of you got this annoyance lately? |
| 19:10.53 | twobitsp1ite | what is SPF? |
| 19:11.10 | stew | !spf |
| 19:11.10 | dpkg | it has been said that spf is the Sender Policy Framework (formerly Sender Permitted From), at http://spf.pobox.com/ |
| 19:11.35 | twobitsp1ite | ahh |
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| 19:11.53 | ommpa_loompa | I cant get mine to work any DNS guru that can help me out? |
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| 19:12.42 | LemensTS | stew: yep that works! finally got this pcmia card working, been trying for 2 days. first time ive used ndiswrapper... |
| 19:13.18 | nzjunky | ommpa_lompa: what is not working? |
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| 19:15.13 | ommpa_loompa | I cant send email to hotmail |
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| 19:15.26 | Killing_Frost | Greetings... |
| 19:15.27 | ommpa_loompa | as per maillog the email goes out and reaches hotmail |
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| 19:15.47 | ommpa_loompa | but it never gets to the hotmail inbox and I wont get a bounce back either |
| 19:15.52 | ommpa_loompa | brb |
| 19:16.16 | LemensTS | When i 'shutdown -r now' , at the bios screen it freezes. I turn it off, and back on and it boots up into grub just fine...what could be the problem? |
| 19:16.18 | nkuttler | ommpa_loompa: checked the recipient's spam inbox? |
| 19:16.28 | Killing_Frost | Anyone have problems using kernels from kernel.org with Debian? |
| 19:16.55 | nkuttler | LemensTS: probably some acpi/apm problem |
| 19:17.30 | nkuttler | LemensTS: or do you mean at boot? |
| 19:17.43 | LemensTS | yea |
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| 19:18.21 | nkuttler | LemensTS: look if there are some bios updates for your board... odd |
| 19:18.43 | LemensTS | nkuttler: didnt do it until today when i was doing some ndiswrapper stuff |
| 19:18.56 | LemensTS | nkuttler: is thier a certain log i should look at? |
| 19:19.00 | nzjunky | ommpa_lommpa: As Killing_Frost says: It may lay in the spam folder. When the email is successfully delivered by your system, then it is all what you can do. |
| 19:19.12 | LemensTS | haha its a 1993 laptop |
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| 19:19.30 | AVRS | hello |
| 19:19.40 | Killing_Frost | I said that? |
| 19:20.00 | AVRS | I've decided to scan (using a USB EPSON scanner), but found that not everything works: |
| 19:20.17 | Killing_Frost | laughs. Don't try to put the blame on me now... |
| 19:20.20 | nzjunky | Ups sorry: mean nkuttler... |
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| 19:20.46 | Killing_Frost | What're you trying to do with hotmail? |
| 19:20.56 | AVRS | sane-find-scanner shows the scanner. scanimage cannot find it unless I specify -d epson. xsane and quiteinsane cannot find it. |
| 19:21.01 | AVRS | Is that http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472664 ? |
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| 19:22.40 | _ZeuZ_ | has someone achieved to run Immunity Canvas through Wine? |
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| 19:23.07 | craigevil | _ZeuZ_: search winehq |
| 19:23.14 | strikov | Hi! Anyone here use DWM? |
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| 19:23.39 | _ZeuZ_ | cairgevil: not officially listed there, that's why I'm asking |
| 19:23.40 | _ZeuZ_ | s/cairgevil/craigevil/ |
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| 19:25.17 | Killing_Frost | waves... |
| 19:25.23 | bjwebb | is that autosugest package thing in ubuntu availble in debian? |
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| 19:25.31 | bjwebb | if so, what package do i install |
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| 19:26.19 | craigevil | bjwebb: autosuggest? auto-apt? |
| 19:27.06 | sls_ | I am geting "error: no root filesystem is defined" when doing a preeseed build... any ideas? |
| 19:27.12 | sls_ | here is the line: |
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| 19:27.14 | sls_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.14 | sls_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:27.51 | sls_ | oh and d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/discs/disc0/disc |
| 19:28.18 | sls_ | and the automatically partition too: d-i partman-auto/init_automatically_partition select |
| 19:28.30 | sls_ | What is wring? |
| 19:28.35 | sls_ | wrong... |
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| 19:29.34 | bjwebb | craigevil: no, i don't think so |
| 19:29.44 | bjwebb | im not sure |
| 19:29.52 | paprika | Hi, I've install zynjacku succesfully but it doesn't start... can somebody try to help me please? http://rafb.net/p/pRvrF154.html Thanks |
| 19:30.02 | bjwebb | the one that when you type a command in cli that doesn't exist yet tells you what package to install |
| 19:30.14 | ommpa_loompa | yeah I checked the spam box nothing there either |
| 19:31.16 | craigevil | bjwebb: auto-apt checks the file access of programs running within its environments, and if a program tries to access a file known to belong in an uninstalled package, auto-apt will install that package using apt-get |
| 19:32.00 | bjwebb | hmmmm |
| 19:32.14 | bjwebb | im not sure if thats it or not |
| 19:32.15 | nzjunky | ommpa_lommpa: the to email address is really correct? |
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| 19:33.14 | ommpa_loompa | yes |
| 19:33.34 | ommpa_loompa | I tell you I checked everything the only thing Im not quite sure about is my SPF record |
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| 19:35.30 | nzjunky | what is delivering the email? A client or a local mail server? |
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| 19:35.34 | unseensoul | hi |
| 19:35.48 | ommpa_loompa | tried from both |
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| 19:36.34 | unseensoul | how do I mount memory tick cards? do I need to load any needed driver? |
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| 19:37.00 | nzjunky | what is the log from the mail-server telling you? Successfully delievered or something else? |
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| 19:43.17 | TrIXx | hi @ all |
| 19:43.39 | ommpa_loompa | it says its been delivered |
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| 19:44.44 | TrIXx | i want to install an nvidia driver but there is a error message : no matching precompiled kernel interface found |
| 19:44.56 | TrIXx | what can must i do? |
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| 19:45.56 | nzjunky | Then everithing is ok on your side. Delivering to the mailbox is happening on hotmail. It should trigger a bounce, if something fails. |
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| 19:47.21 | nzjunky | That this can happen, the sender address has to be correct and your mail server should working for incomming emails. Do you see connection attemps from hotmail? |
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| 19:49.02 | cwheeler | I want to run debian on my macbook pro natively any advice? |
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| 19:49.37 | cwheeler | boot camp wouldn't partition the hd, said there were fs errors so i fscked the file system and boot camp corrupted it again |
| 19:50.03 | craigevil | cwheeler: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBookPro (MacBookPro - Debian Wiki) |
| 19:51.06 | cwheeler | I read that page, does the debian testing release work better than stable? |
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| 19:54.09 | nzjunky | ommpa_loompa: It may take some time, bevor you get a bounce. Some mail system need three days for that. Depends on the settings an if the receiving mail system is the end system with the mailboxes attached.... |
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| 19:55.46 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 19:55.49 | ommpa_loompa | Thanks for the advice, as per many google searches I came to the conclusion that I am not the only person having this issue as hotmail now requires valid SPF records to authenticate you before receiving your emails, therefor I am almost sure this is an SPF related issue |
| 19:55.52 | Ace2016 | how do i copy a partition? |
| 19:55.58 | Ace2016 | i tried it but it failed to boot |
| 19:56.11 | ommpa_loompa | dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/hdb1 |
| 19:56.20 | ommpa_loompa | you need to copy the mbr likewise |
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| 19:57.26 | Ace2016 | i'm trying to move from xfs to ext3, i coppied /boot with gparted |
| 19:57.36 | Ace2016 | and now / and /home need to be coppied too |
| 19:57.38 | Ace2016 | oh wait a sec |
| 19:57.42 | keith4 | dump and restore? |
| 19:57.57 | Ace2016 | i gave up on the ext3 > xfs move |
| 19:58.00 | nzjunky | But, when it is a SPF issue hotmail should not accept your mail during the snmp dialog. Because, when the have accepted your mail, they are responsible for delivering to the mailbox.. |
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| 19:58.12 | Ace2016 | i coppied xfs using xfs_copy /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb3 |
| 19:58.18 | modulargaming | looking for help with making debian package of Modular Gaming framework |
| 19:58.22 | nzjunky | ups sorry snmp -> smtp |
| 19:58.23 | Ace2016 | and now it won't boot |
| 19:58.37 | modulargaming | mbr is correct? |
| 19:58.50 | Ace2016 | yup, that works, then there are errors about mounting stuff |
| 19:59.01 | ommpa_loompa | is not happening as per many other folks with the same issue seems like they wont take the time to bounce you back |
| 19:59.01 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:59.31 | Akuw | hi |
| 19:59.35 | ommpa_loompa | Ace, are you copying partitions or files? |
| 19:59.49 | Akuw | is there any application to see .wmv ? |
| 20:00.03 | ommpa_loompa | Akuw yeah xine |
| 20:00.04 | Ace2016 | copying partitions, but from smaller partitions to larger ones, 63Gb > 70 and 40 > 50 |
| 20:00.25 | modulargaming | akuw use vlc |
| 20:00.35 | ommpa_loompa | which filesystem, check your filesystem first it migth support resize already |
| 20:00.42 | ommpa_loompa | *might |
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| 20:00.46 | Akuw | i try to open, but only hear audio, no video |
| 20:00.53 | Ace2016 | i am moving to a larger hard driev |
| 20:00.56 | Akuw | i can't see the video |
| 20:01.06 | nzjunky | But normaly you check spf during the smtp dialog. So if spf fails you are not accepting the mail, therefor you wont get a successfull delivery on your email server log. Maybe hotmail is handling this things differently. |
| 20:01.07 | Ace2016 | larger hard drive so its being coppied |
| 20:01.13 | modulargaming | open with vlc |
| 20:01.18 | modulargaming | vlc has support for wmv built in |
| 20:01.23 | modulargaming | download debian package off their site |
| 20:01.25 | zyx386 | !kernel |
| 20:01.25 | x0d | 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 23 06:27:23 UTC 2008 GNU/Linux |
| 20:01.27 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.25, snapshot: 2.6.25-git1, 2.4: 2.4.36.2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-mm1 |
| 20:01.42 | zyx386 | !kernel-install |
| 20:01.42 | x0d | 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 23 06:27:23 UTC 2008 GNU/Linux |
| 20:01.52 | modulargaming | !kernel |
| 20:01.52 | x0d | 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 23 06:27:23 UTC 2008 GNU/Linux |
| 20:01.54 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.25, snapshot: 2.6.25-git1, 2.4: 2.4.36.2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-mm1 |
| 20:02.08 | Ace2016 | it says mount: Mounting /root/dev on /dev/ .static/dev failed: No such file or directory |
| 20:02.10 | Akuw | i open file, but only hear voice, no video displayed |
| 20:02.12 | modulargaming | I'm off, bye (http://modulargaming.com) |
| 20:02.13 | zyx386 | how can upgrade kernel? |
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| 20:02.45 | Ace2016 | mount: Mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: No such file or directory |
| 20:03.00 | Ace2016 | mount: Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory |
| 20:03.10 | Ace2016 | Target filesystem doesn't have /sbin/init |
| 20:03.21 | Ace2016 | No init found. Try passing init= bootarg. |
| 20:03.36 | Ace2016 | Busybox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:2 |
| 20:03.36 | Ace2016 | 2 |
| 20:03.43 | LemensTS | i cant get gnome to go above 640x480, ive added "1024x768" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, does not matter. Ive read tons of webpages and forums, no help. It does full screen when at the bash |
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| 20:04.02 | Ace2016 | Busybox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.13-5 Built-in shell (ash) |
| 20:04.16 | Ace2016 | Enter 'help' for a lost of built-in commands. |
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| 20:04.38 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:04.41 | Ace2016 | so what do i do now? |
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| 20:05.28 | Akuw | what video card you have ? |
| 20:05.51 | Akuw | LemensTS: what video card ? |
| 20:06.09 | Ace2016 | oh wait try the gnome display properties thing |
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| 20:06.33 | Ace2016 | whatever its called, i read someone had problems and had to try it with the gnome properties thing in system whatever that means |
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| 20:06.40 | p4t | hello, could anyone give me a hint what could be the problem when i'm not getting udev (kernel) events when plugging in my sd-card in card reader, but for usb sticks i get events. |
| 20:06.46 | Akuw | Preferences->Screen Resolution |
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| 20:09.06 | LemensTS | Akuw: it just gives me 640x480 |
| 20:09.06 | PhrkOnLsh | has anyone had success getting rtl8185 wlan adapter to work with kernel 2.6.24? |
| 20:09.23 | PhrkOnLsh | I've tried three different drivers, each fail n the latest kernel |
| 20:09.31 | Akuw | can you paste xorg.conf ? |
| 20:09.37 | Akuw | pastebin please |
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| 20:09.55 | LemensTS | havent done that in here before, how do i do it |
| 20:10.28 | Akuw | LemensTS: www.pastebin.ca |
| 20:10.43 | zyx386 | !kernel-update |
| 20:10.44 | x0d | 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 23 06:27:23 UTC 2008 GNU/Linux |
| 20:10.48 | Akuw | or http://rafb.net/paste/ |
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| 20:13.57 | PhrkOnLsh | anyone with working rtl8185 on the latest kernel? |
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| 20:14.24 | Ace2016 | lol |
| 20:14.33 | osib | !tell osib about fglrx-oneliner |
| 20:14.36 | Ace2016 | forgot to put the hard disk back in in the correct order |
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| 20:15.11 | Ace2016 | thanks all, the grub problem was spot on, well more the boot menu, i was putting in the wrong disk order |
| 20:15.17 | _Eu | hello, I have problems in LTSP about the $DISPLAY variable, in WS, this variable doesnt exist. |
| 20:15.28 | _Eu | what is the option that a I need configure in dhcpd.conf to tell to WS? |
| 20:15.49 | jaggdeb | hi i have debian in my hdd, someway i need to install microsuck windows in a partition in this same hdd, the thing is, i know windows will rewrite the grub in mbr, how can i get it back if i cant access to debian? |
| 20:16.10 | Ace2016 | ah thats no problem at all |
| 20:16.11 | PhrkOnLsh | livecd |
| 20:16.14 | Ace2016 | just grab a livecd |
| 20:16.30 | PhrkOnLsh | I like parted magic for that stuff, or super grub disk |
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| 20:17.15 | _Eu | can someone help me? |
| 20:17.27 | jaggdeb | i dont have a livecd and i wont download one just for install windows, windows dont deserve an entire cd burn just for install it, is there any easier way? |
| 20:17.44 | _Eu | rsrsrsrsr. |
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| 20:18.11 | Ace2016 | oh there might be, but you might need a usb stick |
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| 20:18.37 | PhrkOnLsh | jaggdeb: get cdrw. download 160mb iso. burn. use. erase. |
| 20:18.54 | jaggdeb | Ace2016 i do have an usb stick, ive booted some things from it, what i have to install to it then? |
| 20:19.25 | jaggdeb | PhrkOnLsh im trying to avoid going out for that :) |
| 20:19.46 | Ace2016 | jabular: i was thinking that you could use windows xp's boot loader to boot back to linux |
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| 20:20.16 | _Eu | does someone here use LTSP on debian? |
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| 20:21.10 | cast | question! i use apache2, am going to install modphp, should i go with 4 or 5? 5 seems natural since its the most recent...but lots of people are still using 4 |
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| 20:21.21 | Ace2016 | _Eu: try going to irc.oftc.net and then joining #debian |
| 20:21.39 | Ace2016 | that seems to be the true official debian channel. much to my annoyance of having 2 #debian channels |
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| 20:22.02 | Ace2016 | or irc6.oftc.net |
| 20:22.39 | cast | php5 is it! |
| 20:23.43 | _Eu | Ace2016: ok. thank you so much! |
| 20:24.26 | Ace2016 | they helped? |
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| 20:25.22 | stew | neither channel is official |
| 20:25.43 | Ace2016 | jaggdeb: i think what Indras suggested is what you might need to do, but have a livecd handy just incase, but i guess you could download that in windows right? http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-236846.html |
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| 20:26.07 | abrotman | Ace2016: don't redirect people to another network |
| 20:27.04 | Ace2016 | abrotman: why? |
| 20:27.09 | Ace2016 | there is no one here helping him |
| 20:27.34 | abrotman | Ace2016: go find wols .. |
| 20:27.52 | Ace2016 | actually hes completely gone, haven't seen him in weeks |
| 20:28.00 | abrotman | i blame you |
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| 20:28.13 | Ace2016 | :'( |
| 20:28.17 | Ace2016 | i didn't want him to leave |
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| 20:29.20 | Ace2016 | maybe he switched distros? |
| 20:29.32 | abrotman | maybe it's none of your business |
| 20:30.48 | Ace2016 | ok thats it i'm going to find him and ask him, not going to let you blame me |
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| 20:31.13 | Ace2016 | well lets just wait, maybe he went on holiday |
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| 20:34.00 | LemensTS | Akww: www.pastebin.ca is not working for me |
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| 20:37.11 | alexandroos | hello, sometimes my pc freezes and i can do nothing but hard reset. I get this error in any console hda not ready for command (that's my dvd writer). |
| 20:37.31 | mbroeker | Where can i find a jnlp validation service ? |
| 20:37.47 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 20:37.48 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 20:38.07 | abrotman | alexandroos: either the drive is dying or DMA needs to be enabled |
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| 20:38.50 | alexandroos | abrotman, dMa is enables |
| 20:38.53 | alexandroos | enabled |
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| 20:39.05 | xshadowx | can anyone help me with a netinst cd problem? the cd boots and the boot screen comes up no problem... hit enter and appears to load fine on that screenen, then that dissappears and is replaced by a flashing underscore top left of the screen |
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| 20:40.45 | acke_n | hey, i have an external cdrom. made by acer. trying to boot from the dvd, i get, cant load module for cdrom. or somthing like that. anyone has any hints on loading module for the external acer cdrom? |
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| 20:41.22 | DirIndexMan | hi |
| 20:41.35 | suppaman | ubuntu guys are much more fancy |
| 20:41.43 | suppaman | I've just visited ubuntu.or |
| 20:41.56 | suppaman | "can't wait for upcoming ubuntu?" "-06 days" |
| 20:41.58 | LemensTS | Akuw: My xorg.conf http://paste.lisp.org/display/59319 |
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| 20:42.40 | suppaman | but their homepage isn't fluid |
| 20:42.50 | Akuw | LemensTS: www.pastebin.c |
| 20:42.54 | Akuw | sorry |
| 20:43.03 | abrotman | suppaman: no one here cares .. try #ubuntu |
| 20:43.04 | Akuw | LemensTS: restart x |
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| 20:43.18 | acke_n | AAAAH randomly i wrote. acpi=off and it booted the installgui for me.. :D |
| 20:43.28 | xshadowx | anyone any clues on the netinst problem i mentioned? |
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| 20:43.42 | acke_n | craaap |
| 20:44.15 | abrotman | xshadowx: there are a number of options to try .. hit F1 to see some of the mroe common ones |
| 20:44.21 | acke_n | in stuck.. on identifying cdrom. no drivers for the external cd-rom found... |
| 20:45.18 | adrien-moduli1 | Hi everyone |
| 20:45.22 | suppaman | abrotman: I was just kidding |
| 20:45.29 | suppaman | nervous? |
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| 20:47.58 | adrien-moduli1 | short question, I had a disk full of data, I decided to buy to other disk of the same size and build a raid5, do I created a degraded RAID5 with the two new disk, copy the content of the first one and then add the initial one to the array. I think it was a stupid move :-) Now, after I joined the third disk, one of the new one get ejected (just at the end !) |
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| 20:48.40 | adrien-moduli1 | does anyone knows how to force mdadm not to eject a disk ? |
| 20:49.40 | LemensTS | Akuw: CTL-ALT-Backspace did not help |
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| 20:50.17 | xsdg | adrien-moduli1: what command are you using to re-add it? |
| 20:50.38 | xsdg | adrien-moduli1: also, does /proc/mdstat confirm that the array thinks it's running in degraded mode? |
| 20:50.55 | adrien-moduli1 | xsdg: I re-added the initial disk (sdc) with mdadm /dev/mda1 --add /dev/sdc1 |
| 20:51.06 | Akuw | LemensTS: restart x |
| 20:51.11 | LemensTS | Akuw: also i did /etc/init.d/gdm stop, then /etc/init.d/dgm start |
| 20:51.13 | xshadowx | abrotman all of the boot options appear to have the same problem, load initrd (correct me if im wrong, cant remember name) and then hang and cd spins down |
| 20:51.32 | adrien-moduli1 | xstg: /proc/mdstat: md0 : active raid5 sda1[3](F) sdb1[1] sdc1[4](S) |
| 20:51.37 | LemensTS | Akuw: How do I restart x? From google it said ctl-alt-backspace |
| 20:51.39 | brewmaster | anyone ever use kshowmail? |
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| 20:52.04 | brewmaster | apparently it can delete e-mails from a server without downloading them... |
| 20:52.11 | Akuw | restart system |
| 20:52.15 | deufrai | hi there for a n00b question. I have a folder f owned by group g. I want all files and subfolders to be writable by users in that group. So I issued a chmod -R g+rwx f. |
| 20:52.21 | xsdg | adrien-moduli1: what's the second line? |
| 20:52.29 | adrien-moduli1 | xsdg: http://pastebin.com/m36ae5da2 |
| 20:52.36 | DirIndexMan | I'm trying to add dir_index support to one of my drives with e2fsck -D /dev/mydrive, but it says the drive is in use or mounted. It's unmounted so I have no idea how could it be 'in use'. Any ideas? |
| 20:52.51 | deufrai | now I want people from group g to ba able to create files and folders in f with write perm to group g |
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| 20:53.05 | abrotman | xshadowx: there are optoins to pass to the installer |
| 20:53.10 | deufrai | tried chmod g+swxr, but don't seem enough |
| 20:53.24 | deufrai | I'm sure I'm missing a little simple thing |
| 20:53.27 | adrien-moduli1 | xstg: and, http://pastebin.com/m35264dac |
| 20:53.35 | \amethyst | deufrai: right, that will make the files owned by the group, but won't ensure group-writability for new file |
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| 20:53.46 | xshadowx | abrotman, can you recommend any that would help, given it might be a graphics fault |
| 20:54.15 | abrotman | like acpi=off .. though i doubt that'll do anything for you |
| 20:54.17 | Akuw | LemensTS: that works for me |
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| 20:54.30 | Akuw | CTRL + ALT + Backspace |
| 20:54.33 | deufrai | \amethyst: is there a way to achieve this ? |
| 20:54.45 | \amethyst | deufrai: if your filesystem has ACL support, you can set a default ACL on the directory: setfacl -R -m default:g::rwx directory |
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| 20:55.04 | \amethyst | deufrai: setfacl is in the 'acl' package |
| 20:55.12 | Hoxzer | What partition editor should I use to edit partitions on debian? I noticed that libparted is ancient on lenny. |
| 20:55.12 | LemensTS | Akuw: Shutdown laptop, booted it back up....btw CTL-ALT-Backspace worked for me too, but it did not fix the resolution |
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| 20:55.31 | deufrai | \amethyst: fs is ext3, does it support ACLs ? |
| 20:55.34 | burd | I'm trying to find information on running two nics that keep flip flopping eth0<->eth1 at boot.. can anyone point me in the right direction please? |
| 20:55.39 | Akuw | humm, ok |
| 20:55.52 | Akuw | what latop you have? |
| 20:56.04 | \amethyst | deufrai: you need to mount with the 'acl' mount option |
| 20:56.11 | LemensTS | 1993 gateway solo |
| 20:56.13 | LemensTS | lol |
| 20:56.39 | deufrai | \amethyst: ok, I'll check that, thanx for your answer |
| 20:56.46 | xshadowx | abrotman: no change using acpi=off |
| 20:56.49 | xsdg | adrien-moduli1: hmm... that's weird |
| 20:56.53 | \amethyst | deufrai: if it's not already set, you can do mount /mount/point -o remount,acl |
| 20:57.09 | \amethyst | deufrai: setfacl (and its companion getfacl) are in the 'acl' package |
| 20:57.36 | xsdg | adrien-moduli1: if you --remove /dev/sda1, does it put /dev/sdc1 into the array? (it looks like sdc1 is added, but is still sitting in the hot spare position) |
| 20:57.43 | LemensTS | Akuw - lspci output http://paste.lisp.org/display/59319#1 |
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| 20:58.05 | TwinX | Hoxzer; gparted in lenny repos, and works fine |
| 20:58.38 | simonrvn | !z25 |
| 20:58.38 | dpkg | somebody said z25 was as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 20:58.46 | simonrvn | burd: ^^^ may help |
| 20:59.00 | burd | thank you |
| 21:00.06 | xshadowx | anyone else any clues on bypassin a possible graphics fault freezing a netinst cd? |
| 21:00.13 | Akuw | where is this Section "Device" |
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| 21:01.36 | tempb0y | hi all |
| 21:01.37 | adrien-moduli1 | I removed it and get |
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| 21:01.58 | Pyro | anyone here know about udevd? it is throwing out a bunch of warnings when I boot: http://pastebin.com/d6a7ea59 |
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| 21:02.15 | adrien-moduli1 | xsdg: remove it and get http://pastebin.com/d161ef8c3 |
| 21:02.28 | tempb0y | i can ssh into my box within lan and can can ssh remotely however, when i enter the passwd it says access denied |
| 21:02.33 | tempb0y | why is this? |
| 21:02.36 | LemensTS | Akuw: it was in here http://paste.lisp.org/display/59319 |
| 21:02.53 | tempb0y | what change do i need to make in config? |
| 21:03.10 | LemensTS | Akuw: oh do you mean where is the trident card in lspci? |
| 21:03.11 | xsdg | adrien-moduli1: oh, duh |
| 21:03.21 | adrien-moduli1 | xsdg: can I move 4 to position 2 ? |
| 21:03.30 | adrien-moduli1 | xsdg: or everything is lost ? |
| 21:03.31 | xsdg | adrien-moduli1: "State: active, degraded, _Not Started_" |
| 21:03.43 | Akuw | wait |
| 21:03.56 | beardy | tempb0y: Either you just have the wrong password, or you try to login as root, when you, as you should, have made it not allowed to login as root. |
| 21:03.58 | xsdg | adrien-moduli1: it should start syncing once you start it (mdadm -R) |
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| 21:04.15 | adrien-moduli1 | xsdg: I can not start |
| 21:04.19 | adrien-moduli1 | I get failed to run array /dev/md0: Input/output error |
| 21:04.38 | xsdg | oh, weird |
| 21:04.46 | tempb0y | beardy i can login as normal users within lan just fine |
| 21:05.05 | tempb0y | beardy when i connect via ssh remotely using same keyboard/user/password i get access denied |
| 21:05.25 | tempb0y | the only thing thats changed is i now have vonage phone |
| 21:05.35 | tempb0y | but that shouldn't matter |
| 21:05.43 | Scurz_ | beardy: hi, have you seen my prive message? :) |
| 21:05.48 | xsdg | adrien-moduli1: wait; how many devices are supposed to be in this array? |
| 21:05.59 | Akuw | LemensTS: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:06.11 | beardy | Scurz_: No.. who are you? |
| 21:06.14 | adrien-moduli1 | xsdg: |
| 21:06.16 | adrien-moduli1 | xsdg: 3 |
| 21:06.30 | adrien-moduli1 | xsdg: I've re-added sda1 and started it, and I get: http://pastebin.com/d141cfb34 |
| 21:06.32 | beardy | !msg |
| 21:06.32 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 21:06.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | tempb0y: "within lan"? |
| 21:06.50 | adrien-moduli1 | xsdg: but I'm pretty sure sda1 will get ejected and sdc1 will kick to spare |
| 21:06.57 | Scurz_ | beardy: oops, sorry |
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| 21:07.12 | Hoxzer | TwinX: Dude. Libaprted version is 1.7.1 in lenny and the latest libparted is 1.8.8. I say that is way too old |
| 21:07.13 | tempb0y | CutMeOwnThroat within lan it works fine. outside of lan i can connect to ssh service just can't login. i get access denied |
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| 21:07.39 | beardy | Scurz_: I also didn't get any, because you're probably not identified with nickserv. But don't send any, ask here please. |
| 21:07.39 | Hoxzer | And no, it doens't work fine. |
| 21:07.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | tempb0y: perhaps you end up at a different server? |
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| 21:07.42 | Scurz_ | beardy: I've mistaken on the nickname |
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| 21:08.09 | xsdg | adrien-moduli1: if so, you probably need to recover from backup |
| 21:08.26 | tempb0y | CutMeOwnThroat nope. only one server |
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| 21:09.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | tempb0y: like you're trying to ssh into a firewall that provides a NAT or something... |
| 21:09.08 | beardy | tempb0y: Are you sure you are connecting to the right machine, from the outside? |
| 21:09.18 | adrien-moduli1 | xsdg: I'll think that's what I'll do |
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| 21:09.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | tempb0y: stop the ssh service on the machine and see if you can still connect :) |
| 21:09.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ...from the outside |
| 21:09.50 | adrien-moduli1 | xsdg: thanks for your help |
| 21:09.55 | xsdg | adrien-moduli1: I have no idea why it'd fail to recover, though |
| 21:10.00 | xsdg | adrien-moduli1: np; good luck |
| 21:10.06 | adrien-moduli1 | me neither :-) |
| 21:10.07 | LemensTS | Akuw: How much kB of ram should i give the card, its a 1993 laptop... |
| 21:10.16 | tempb0y | CutMeOwnThroat ok. will do so now |
| 21:10.17 | TwinX | Hoxzer; where did you get version 1.8.8? |
| 21:10.18 | adrien-moduli1 | thanks, have a nice day. night, depending on you gmt |
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| 21:10.30 | Akuw | LemensTS: is not a memory related |
| 21:10.37 | beardy | LemensTS: Model? |
| 21:10.38 | Akuw | i run xorg with 256 |
| 21:10.56 | LemensTS | Trident Microsystems Cyber 9397 rev f3 |
| 21:10.58 | beardy | (curiosity) |
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| 21:11.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | tempb0y: there's one other thing - ssh can (depending on configuration) do reverse DNS lookups and it can create problems when that fails but... wel,l not sure, but I don't think that would a) let you ask for a password 1st, and then b) deny access |
| 21:11.31 | Hoxzer | TwinX: I didn't get it anywhere. My point is Lenny has version 1.7.1 which is ancient |
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| 21:12.25 | Akuw | did you run dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 21:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | tempb0y: also - run ssh -v (or up to ssh -v -v -v ) from within the lan and from without to compare output - although that might be not *so* horribly useful in your case |
| 21:13.23 | beardy | LemensTS: And.. you want to run X on it? |
| 21:13.48 | beardy | LemensTS: How much RAM? |
| 21:14.16 | LemensTS | Akuw: still going thru it |
| 21:14.46 | LemensTS | beardy: i already putin 256. how do i find out how much ram i have doesnt 'top' show that |
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| 21:15.10 | beardy | LemensTS: A laptop from 1993 with 256MB RAM? |
| 21:15.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | tempb0y: oh - and /var/log/messages might show something useful about why it's denied... alternatively you could stop the ssh service and run sshd -D -d (and the options your usual sshd has) on the server to find out why it accepts it in one case, but not in the other |
| 21:15.28 | beardy | LemensTS: Yes, and free(1). |
| 21:15.33 | Akuw | OK |
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| 21:18.23 | LemensTS | beardy: 256kb |
| 21:18.46 | tempb0y | CutMeOwnThroat does that mean i'll have to append all options i have in sshd_config to ssh -D -d? |
| 21:18.50 | LemensTS | i figured i would run thru the configureation again if it was wrong |
| 21:19.07 | tempb0y | also, if i stop sshd service i will not be able to enable until later tonight as i do not have physical access |
| 21:19.18 | tempb0y | i'm currently logged in remotely to windows box on lan then ssh'd in :) |
| 21:19.31 | beardy | LemensTS: Ah.. graphics cards RAM.. my mistake. I meant how much RAM the machine had. |
| 21:19.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | tempb0y: no, look with e.g. "ps auxwww|grep sshd" what options it runs with |
| 21:20.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | tempb0y: hm, well look in messages 1st |
| 21:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | normally it sais when access is denied |
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| 21:21.20 | tempb0y | CutMeOwnThroat i logged in using public ip of my server and still get denied. oddly enough messages shows no login attemps local or remote |
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| 21:21.34 | Tramp | auth.log |
| 21:21.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, true |
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| 21:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I at least get something like "tcplog: ssh request from XXX" in messages |
| 21:22.49 | AdamP | Where did toolchain-source go? |
| 21:23.09 | tempb0y | auth.log doesn't show failed login attempts |
| 21:23.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, seems you dont get the the right machine |
| 21:24.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can telnet into the ssh port from outside... |
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| 21:24.38 | tempb0y | i pulled the right public IP and entered it in |
| 21:24.42 | tempb0y | will try telnet now |
| 21:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | that should show something like that: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 |
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| 21:25.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it's not debian it's impossible your machine :) |
| 21:25.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so you keep saying |
| 21:25.26 | tempb0y | when i telnet in i get: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.0 |
| 21:25.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | but everything else suggests you simply end up somewhere else |
| 21:25.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't look like a debian box |
| 21:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | there you are |
| 21:26.03 | LemensTS | Akuw: that did not help, it will not launch with the config file i made. |
| 21:26.11 | LemensTS | i restored the old one. |
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| 21:27.49 | ericpersson | I've been forced to restore a backup from 11.00 today(due to a bug in compellants SAN), and the system have been running from 11.00 to 20.00. During the time, theres been somewhat random read/write errors(timestamps not changed on files). What would you recommend to get any hints on what might be possible to restore from the 20..00 backup to reduce the amount of lost data? Any good ideas welcome... |
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| 21:36.04 | AdamP | what package in etch do i want for the tool tpkg-make ? |
| 21:36.16 | AdamP | it was toolchain-source in sarge, but that seems to have disappeared |
| 21:36.22 | streuner | !search |
| 21:36.22 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 21:36.58 | AdamP | I did |
| 21:36.59 | AdamP | It shows nothing |
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| 21:38.14 | tempb0y | CutMeOwnThroat odd. i'm running ubuntu |
| 21:39.17 | tempb0y | CutMeOwnThroat on the machine connected to lan that i'm remotely logged into when i go to whatismyip.com i use that ip to put in telnet and putty |
| 21:39.21 | tempb0y | it has to be the right ip |
| 21:40.05 | tempb0y | i did see protocol mismatch in cmd window when executing telnet <ip> <port> |
| 21:40.13 | tempb0y | it did it after about 10 mins of being connected |
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| 21:40.19 | _ZeuZ_ | !zip password cracker |
| 21:40.55 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys, does anybody know of a command line or with GUI, zip password file cracker? |
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| 21:42.18 | Bravewolf | Hello! Is there a person who uses Debian on a SantaRosa-based Laptop? |
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| 21:42.37 | streuner | Bravewolf: /msg dpkg laptops |
| 21:42.40 | Bravewolf | What about the ata_piix bug? (DVD writer) |
| 21:42.47 | ryty | I'm getting a strange error from proftpd when I try to log in: <hostname>: error opening scoreboard: bad/corrupted file |
| 21:43.00 | ryty | I tried removing the scoreboard, but I get the same issue after it is recreated |
| 21:43.12 | andre_pl | I'm looking to install debianLive on my ps3, dont have a spare cdr so I was thinking of using my thumbdrive.. but i dont know how to do that.. I'm assuming I use the .img instead of the .iso, but i'm lost after that |
| 21:43.43 | justin | andre_pl: dd the .img to the drive, usually |
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| 21:43.53 | Bravewolf | streuner: I would like to have news about the ata_piix bug. It's Debian-specific bug. Ubuntu works well! |
| 21:44.21 | andre_pl | justin: do I need to format it or anything first? |
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| 21:44.27 | justin | andre_pl: no |
| 21:44.44 | streuner | Bravewolf: How about to check out BTS then? |
| 21:44.50 | deufrai | \amethyst: thanx a lot |
| 21:44.53 | andre_pl | cool.. i wont have the ps3 for another 4 hours or so... but I'm going to try it asap :) |
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| 21:45.29 | deufrai | works like a charm. Now reading deeper do be sure I understand underlying business |
| 21:46.40 | Shadow_mil | man I can't wait til my sister gets a new laptop |
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| 21:47.29 | Bravewolf | streuner: This is the bug report: #463833 (reported 2 months ago). I would like to have news. I can't use Debian beacuse of this bug :-( |
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| 21:49.02 | Bravewolf | streuner: I'm not the submitter of #463833, but I have the same problem. |
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| 21:49.24 | Daveman | haha, stellar... http://rafb.net/p/E5LgCk40.html |
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| 21:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !irritate _ZeuZ_ |
| 21:51.11 | dpkg | _ZeuZ_: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how does I run teh edonkey kthx |
| 21:52.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | tempb0y: hehe... if you're running ubuntu, you're offtopic here and should ask #ubuntu :) |
| 21:52.56 | streuner | Bravewolf: use .25 packages |
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| 21:54.01 | LemensTS | When im away from mirc and come back, how can i easily see my posts and people replying to me? I figured thier was a highlight function of my name? |
| 21:54.13 | Bravewolf | streuner: did you mean vanilla sources? |
| 21:54.23 | dondelelcaro | LemensTS: it should have an awaylog; if not, you're better off switching to irssi anyway. |
| 21:54.51 | streuner | !kernel |
| 21:54.51 | x0d | 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 23 06:27:23 UTC 2008 GNU/Linux |
| 21:54.53 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.25, snapshot: 2.6.25-git1, 2.4: 2.4.36.2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-mm1 |
| 21:55.00 | LemensTS | dondelelcaro: i just scroll up and view what has gone on since i left, is that what you mean by away log |
| 21:55.26 | Daveman | yay dpkg! |
| 21:55.30 | dondelelcaro | LemensTS: no, when you come back from /away, it should show what has been sent to you |
| 21:55.43 | dondelelcaro | !kernel |
| 21:55.43 | x0d | 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 23 06:27:23 UTC 2008 GNU/Linux |
| 21:55.44 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.25, snapshot: 2.6.25-git1, 2.4: 2.4.36.2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-mm1 |
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| 21:56.12 | dondelelcaro | x0d: please turn off the !kernel stuff, and let me (or another op) know when it's off, and you'll be -q'ed |
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| 21:56.19 | Daveman | teehee |
| 21:56.25 | LemensTS | . |
| 21:56.38 | Daveman | hah, I still don't quite get this |
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| 21:56.54 | Daveman | must be the heat |
| 21:56.54 | ryty | anyone happen to see my error? |
| 21:57.14 | streuner | Daveman: x0d use a bot which use the same sign "!" as dpkg... |
| 21:57.35 | streuner | (if you talking about this) |
| 21:57.51 | Daveman | heh, no, not that silliness, the mmap error from aptitude :P |
| 21:58.01 | streuner | !dynamic mmap |
| 21:58.02 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 21:58.10 | LemensTS | !away |
| 21:58.11 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
| 21:58.22 | Daveman | heh, yeah, that too :P |
| 21:59.00 | dondelelcaro | LemensTS: you can /msg dpkg away; if it's not generally applicable to the channel |
| 21:59.48 | LemensTS | . |
| 22:00.24 | LemensTS | dondelelcaro: heh i guess im gonna have to read about it on google tonite. thanks |
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| 22:02.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | tempb0y: and if you have a "lan" and an "outside" (and you cannot see your ip with /sbin/ifconfig) then you have a NAT which translates - and an outside ssh either connects to the NAT firewall machine or to whatever machine it's configered to to let port 22 go |
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| 22:04.22 | tempb0y | CutMeOwnThroat this is freaky. i enabled another port for ssh 1022 and i can connect remotely to this one and login successfully |
| 22:04.38 | _ZeuZ_ | CutMeOwnThroat: this is harder, RAR password cracker for Linux? |
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| 22:04.45 | tempb0y | CutMeOwnThroat but i can't login to port 22 |
| 22:04.46 | tempb0y | weird |
| 22:04.59 | tempb0y | told you i were hitting the right box :) |
| 22:05.37 | _ZeuZ_ | tempb0y: is the other host beneath a proxy? a router? is the port 22 of the host forwarded if so? |
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| 22:08.19 | tempb0y | _ZeuZ_ both 1022 and 22 are both forwarded to the same box behind router |
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| 22:09.32 | tempb0y | _ZeuZ_ router. Vonage box -> router -> switch -> pc |
| 22:09.55 | tempb0y | and the vonage box is a router but i put the router in a DMZ |
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| 22:10.24 | tempb0y | well i've got to run. just thought i'd let CutMeOwnThroat know |
| 22:10.26 | tempb0y | laters all |
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| 22:10.31 | Mike1 | hey |
| 22:10.56 | Mike1 | i have a very hard question: what real differences are between Debian and Ubuntu? |
| 22:11.17 | dondelelcaro | Mike1: #ubuntu is the place to ask that, since we don't know Ubuntu here. |
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| 22:11.33 | Mike1 | dondelelcaro: they will say that they dont know debian ;) |
| 22:11.55 | Mike1 | a friend just asked if the should choose Debian oder Ubuntu |
| 22:11.55 | dondelelcaro | Mike1: then they lie, since all of the differences are things that they've changed |
| 22:12.03 | christefano | Mike1: you can do a Google search for "ubuntu versus debian" |
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| 22:13.51 | Mike1 | christefano: you just find "ubuntu couldn't exist without debian" and so on |
| 22:13.51 | ewon | !kernel |
| 22:13.54 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.25, snapshot: 2.6.25-git1, 2.4: 2.4.36.2, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.25-mm1 |
| 22:13.58 | Mike1 | stuff everyone knows |
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| 22:15.43 | andre_pl | does anyone know if the debianLive boots nativey on a PS3? or is the PS3-branch required? because it seems it hasn't been updated in over a year |
| 22:16.27 | dserban | portmap, it's required for nfs, I understand, but in /etc/default/portmap, you're allowed to bind to a specific interface. The box I'm looking at has its root partition mounted over nfs. Should I only bind to the interface its using? I'm more asking for security purposes as its a router on the net listening to all four interfaces for portmap :s |
| 22:16.45 | zo_orki | how can i configure my kpowersave? ther is an icon in the menu-bar, ut i can't open any dialogs to change the settings. |
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| 22:17.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | weird - what's wrong with the "debian vs ubuntu" factoid? I can see it in listkeys (as #debian debian vs ubuntu) but cannot call it or get factinfo |
| 22:17.25 | christefano | Mike1: it seems you haven't actually looked through those search results. try "ubuntu versus debian -site:ubuntuforums.org" |
| 22:18.21 | christefano | Mike1: this one's pretty funny: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/a_bad_taste_in_the_mouth_detailed_ubuntu_patch_review/ |
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| 22:18.55 | christefano | Mike1: and this one: http://polishlinux.org/choose/comparison/?distro1=Ubuntu&distro2=Debian |
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| 22:24.21 | chops | christefano: Oof -- does the first result from that search really have Ian Murdock saying that Debian and Ubuntu packages "just work"ing on each other's distros is a good thing and should be encouraged? |
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| 22:24.23 | rickle | Hey guys, I need to setup a VPN between my LAN and a VPS I have at a datacenter. The VPS system runs linux (debian) and the machine on my lan runs windows 2003 what would be the best way to do this (so I can research it) i've never had to setup a vpn before? |
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| 22:24.51 | chops | christefano: That is from 2005, of course... years of experience have hopefully brought a change in his thinking :-) |
| 22:25.32 | christefano | I think so, yeah :) |
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| 22:28.35 | pythos | Hola! Im in need of some advise concerning networking/routing. I can almost remember the condiditons that make a default route take a few extra seconds, but its just not comming to my mind. It has been something I fixed before, but now I can't seem to quite get it. |
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| 22:30.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | christefano: the 2nd link you gave him sais (for ubuntu) "For text-mode: <192 MB RAM," |
| 22:31.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, makes one wonder... 1MB is under 192 MB ... but what it suggests is that it needs around 180MB for textmode?! |
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| 22:32.47 | markybob | anyone know of any unofficial 2.6.2 abiword packages? sid is outdated with 2.4 still :P |
| 22:33.40 | stew | markybob: does the abiword have a 'new upstream version available' bug filed? |
| 22:33.41 | christefano | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesn't say 180MB, does it? lemme check |
| 22:33.57 | markybob | stew yes (under abiword-gnome) |
| 22:34.08 | markybob | stew since march |
| 22:34.15 | christefano | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't see that but yeah, that comparison needs to be fixed to be more accurate |
| 22:34.34 | stew | markybob: that's good. that would be a place to look for an unofficial package as well |
| 22:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | christefano: I quoted it one line further above... it sais "<192" |
| 22:36.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops, didnt really quote, only intended to |
| 22:37.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | omg...confusion has me, I did: <CutMeOwnThroat> christefano: the 2nd link you gave him sais (for ubuntu) "For text-mode: <192 MB RAM," |
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| 22:39.27 | The_Kernel | sysklogd doesn't start on system start, and it won't start manually, it asks for options and stuff. What should I do? Is reinstalling the OS the best option, cuz I tried reinstalling sysklogd. |
| 22:39.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | laters |
| 22:40.08 | pythos | kernel, you sure you have it all? Like try apt-get -f install |
| 22:40.51 | amphi | The_Kernel: have you fiddled with syslog.conf ? |
| 22:40.56 | The_Kernel | no |
| 22:40.59 | The_Kernel | should I? |
| 22:41.06 | The_Kernel | What should it look like? |
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| 22:41.55 | amphi | The_Kernel: perhaps you should pastebin the errors you get trying to start it manually |
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| 22:42.19 | The_Kernel | http://pastebin.com/mceaa0ae |
| 22:43.06 | pythos | Im still looking for suggestions on why 'route' takes a few extra seconds to display the default route... thanks |
| 22:43.34 | stew | pythos: does "route -n" by contrast, work quickly? |
| 22:43.36 | amphi | pythos: does it do the same if you specify -n ? |
| 22:43.59 | stew | pythos: its trying to do dns resolution on all the ip addresses without -n |
| 22:44.22 | pythos | ya, -n makes it faster |
| 22:44.23 | amphi | The_Kernel: how odd - what branch of debian is this? |
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| 22:45.08 | pythos | consequently, login takes a while too... |
| 22:45.33 | stew | The_Kernel: show us the output of "apt-cache policy sysklogd" |
| 22:46.27 | The_Kernel | let me pastebin it |
| 22:46.30 | pythos | guess, I need to build a zone for th enew box and subnet... |
| 22:46.48 | The_Kernel | http://pastebin.com/d7d5532cd |
| 22:46.49 | pythos | or would a /etc/hosts file do for now? |
| 22:48.09 | sixty6murph | hi, trying to compile c code using -l libgcrypt11. |
| 22:48.41 | sixty6murph | doesn't seem to be working so how to i have a look at the SHA1 implementation in libgcrpyt11? |
| 22:48.47 | pythos | ok, adding a host line worked.. ;-) |
| 22:48.49 | stew | The_Kernel: how about "sudo bash -x /etc/init.d/sysklogd start" |
| 22:49.03 | pythos | thanks stew, amphi |
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| 22:50.08 | The_Kernel | http://pastebin.com/d1d636af |
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| 22:52.47 | pythos | not sure of what this means, but I can't get a direct connection for a machine sitting behind this linux box (set as a router) even thought I have set "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward" and a cat of /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward shows 1 as the value |
| 22:53.14 | pythos | I can ssh into the box, and then sshe from there to the outer-internet <like that is how Im here now> |
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| 22:53.25 | stew | The_Kernel: was that "bash -x /etc/init.d/sysklogd" or "bash -x /etc/init.d/sysklogd start" ? |
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| 22:54.35 | Tramp | his /etc/default/syslogd is messed up: line 9: ++ SYSLOGD='a /var/lib/named/dev/log' |
| 22:55.34 | The_Kernel | stew http://upload.crowenix.net/eh |
| 22:55.38 | The_Kernel | there |
| 22:55.46 | The_Kernel | with the start at the end |
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| 22:56.17 | chops | sixty6murph: Copying the SHA1 implementation source is unlikely to be easier than getting the library to compile, but you can get the source with 'apt-get source libgcrpyt11' |
| 22:56.25 | chops | sixty6murph: What error are you getting trying to compile against the library? |
| 22:56.33 | chops | sixty6murph: And do you have the -dev package installed? |
| 22:56.47 | Tramp | The_Kernel: can you pastebin the file /etc/default/syslogd? |
| 22:56.53 | The_Kernel | ok |
| 22:57.59 | sixty6murph | chops: all i've been doing is gcc filename -l libgcrypto11 -o filename |
| 22:58.02 | The_Kernel | http://upload.crowenix.net/syslogd |
| 22:58.25 | sixty6murph | chops: -dev package is installed, and as you may have guessed i'm entirely new to this |
| 22:58.45 | Tramp | The_Kernel: change this file, so that SYSLOGD="a /var/lib/named/dev/log" is changed to SYSLOGD="" - then try again |
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| 22:58.58 | The_Kernel | ok |
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| 22:59.04 | Tramp | The_Kernel: i.e. remove everything between the quotes |
| 22:59.43 | The_Kernel | NICE! |
| 22:59.45 | chops | sixty6murph: You should use gcc filename.c -lgcrypt -o filename |
| 22:59.46 | The_Kernel | That's did it |
| 22:59.48 | The_Kernel | thanks Tramp |
| 23:00.07 | Tramp | The_Kernel: did you change this file? I cannot imagine, how it could get messed up like that |
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| 23:00.43 | sas67 | Hi |
| 23:00.46 | The_Kernel | Tramp...I didn't even know what it was until today. |
| 23:00.46 | chops | sixty6murph: The output of the executable 'libgcrypt-config' will be useful in figuring out compilation flags (in general the way is: gcc filename.c `libgcrypt-config --cflags` `libgcrypt-config --libs` -o filename) |
| 23:01.16 | chops | sixty6murph: Generally -dev packages either have config executables like that, or they have pkg-config data that makes pkg-config output equivalent information for them |
| 23:01.22 | Tramp | The_Kernel: uh. Then somthing weirt (tm) happened. |
| 23:01.31 | Tramp | weird even. |
| 23:01.41 | The_Kernel | yeah |
| 23:01.42 | The_Kernel | I know |
| 23:01.49 | pythos | brb |
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| 23:02.00 | sas67 | How easy will it be to remove wine,utorrent and vnc and xserver? |
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| 23:02.01 | The_Kernel | Now...to get cacti to start graphing... |
| 23:02.38 | ryty | sas67: apt-get remove wine* utorrent* vnc* xserver-* |
| 23:02.42 | sixty6murph | chops: comments in the source suggest gcc file.c -l crypto -o file. its been compile on unix systems, but i've no idea what. |
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| 23:02.53 | ryty | sas67: or something like that |
| 23:02.59 | chops | sas67: Quite easy. How wise it will be is quite another story :-) |
| 23:03.01 | sas67 | That easy?cool |
| 23:03.23 | metbsd | anyone use qmail? how do i specify the host name it use in helo and ehlo |
| 23:03.28 | sixty6murph | chops: if you know somewhere i could read up on this, probably save a million+one questions i'd ask here... |
| 23:03.29 | sas67 | Its not working right chops |
| 23:03.40 | sas67 | Keeps shutting down |
| 23:03.45 | metbsd | i need to customize qmail helo and ehlo |
| 23:03.46 | ryty | metbsd: it uses the local machine's fqdn |
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| 23:04.09 | metbsd | you mean /etc/hosts? |
| 23:04.09 | abrotman | metbsd: ask #qmail |
| 23:04.16 | chops | sixty6murph: "-l crypto" means libssl, not libgcrypt. See 'apt-file search libcrypto.so' |
| 23:04.20 | metbsd | i asked qmail no response |
| 23:04.21 | pythos | k, bak |
| 23:04.36 | metbsd | i think they are all dead |
| 23:04.41 | metbsd | in #qmail |
| 23:04.45 | ryty | metbsd: type in "hostname" |
| 23:04.46 | chops | sas67: What keeps shutting down? Is there an error message? |
| 23:04.48 | ryty | see what it returns |
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| 23:04.53 | pythos | still looking on ideas why my forward is a no go. |
| 23:05.02 | sas67 | Utorrent shuts down |
| 23:05.07 | chops | sixty6murph: I don't know of a general introduction to compiling random software on Unix systems... it's not easy. |
| 23:05.08 | metbsd | so cbl keep listing me |
| 23:05.14 | sas67 | No error |
| 23:05.22 | hsuh | hi... do you guys know hi do you get cedilla instead of Ä when you type 'c on a us-intl keyboard? |
| 23:05.24 | metbsd | i really have no idea how to fix the damn thing |
| 23:05.29 | chops | sas67: utorrent shuts down when you remove utorrent? That sounds right. |
| 23:05.30 | hsuh | s/hi/how |
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| 23:05.43 | chops | sixty6murph: The easy way is to install the Debian packages :-) |
| 23:05.49 | sixty6murph | chops: indeed, last time i dealt with c it was visual studio in college years ago :) |
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| 23:06.00 | sas67 | No chops,ut shuts down when its running |
| 23:06.10 | sas67 | For reason i cant fathom |
| 23:06.18 | chops | sas67: Sounds like a bug |
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| 23:06.25 | pythos | I need someont to verify that they can ping my inside ethernet's public IP: 65.116.88.1, thnaks |
| 23:06.34 | chops | sas67: But then I don't even know what utorrent does |
| 23:06.38 | davi | Will 'lenny' include the linux kernel v 2.6.25 ? |
| 23:06.47 | sas67 | Also running b4rt and tornado |
| 23:07.07 | sas67 | Its a torrent client m8 |
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| 23:07.30 | sas67 | Server load is thru the roof |
| 23:07.58 | chops | davi: Probably 2.6.24 I think |
| 23:08.30 | stew | davi: unkown. it could be 2.6.24 it coudl be 2.6.25 it could be 2.6.36 |
| 23:08.33 | davi | shit :( .25 is great |
| 23:08.48 | davi | cool stew |
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| 23:09.21 | chops | stew: Oh, I guess I thought that the base freeze included the kernel |
| 23:09.31 | sas67 | Thanx chops m8 |
| 23:09.34 | davi | How is working 'sid'? Is it usable? |
| 23:09.39 | sas67 | Back to work |
| 23:09.46 | chops | davi: If you have to ask, don't use it :-) |
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| 23:09.47 | chops | sas67: np |
| 23:09.55 | davi | chops, ok |
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| 23:11.04 | stew | davi: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2008/03/msg00531.html -> "we have not settled for the lenny version it is certainly > 2.6.24. Most probable candidate is 2.6.26. |
| 23:11.22 | chops | stew: Oh, awesome |
| 23:11.55 | chops | stew: As it happens I have server hardware here that doesn't work on 2.6.24 and the fix isn't easily backportable :-). \o/ |
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| 23:12.26 | davi | thanks stew |
| 23:12.26 | sixty6murph | chops: unfortunately no such package exists. got the c source off the net, but needs an SHA1 implementation (ie -l crypto). |
| 23:12.38 | chops | sixty6murph: O_o |
| 23:12.44 | chops | sixty6murph: libssl-dev certainly does exist |
| 23:13.15 | sixty6murph | chops: yes, it's installed alright. |
| 23:15.02 | chops | sixty6murph: Well, what's the error message from gcc filename.c -lcrypto -o filename? |
| 23:15.18 | pythos | Hmm, Guess it was a typo... |
| 23:16.02 | cafuego | chops: I imagine it wants the header too eh |
| 23:17.31 | chops | cafuego: Not according to pkg-config --cflags libcrypto |
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| 23:18.30 | cafuego | AH no, that's just in /usr/include |
| 23:18.46 | Nyle | happy friday guys |
| 23:18.51 | cafuego | lies, Nyle |
| 23:19.08 | Nyle | happy for me |
| 23:19.14 | cafuego | not friday for me |
| 23:19.15 | Nyle | I got a 3 day weekend |
| 23:19.23 | Nyle | passover, jewish holiday, I have no work on monday! |
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| 23:19.31 | Nyle | plus I got today, a lot |
| 23:19.40 | metbsd | Nyle, lucky you |
| 23:19.47 | Nyle | which is cool, but now I wana smoke pot but i won't |
| 23:19.49 | metbsd | don't waste today on irc |
| 23:19.49 | sixty6murph | chops: openssl/sha.h no such file or dir... line is #ifdef linux ... #include <openssl/sha.h> |
| 23:19.51 | Nyle | I shall resist |
| 23:20.00 | Nyle | I'm not I'm waiting on my other friends to get off work |
| 23:20.04 | metbsd | go to beach or something |
| 23:20.16 | Nyle | too cold |
| 23:20.18 | metbsd | or go club |
| 23:20.20 | cafuego | sixty6murph: So you're missing libssl-dev |
| 23:20.22 | Nyle | I don't do that |
| 23:20.26 | Nyle | I don't club, I don't go to bars |
| 23:20.35 | metbsd | what do you do in free time |
| 23:20.42 | cafuego | sixty6murph: .. and so that file doesn't exist, which is why you're getting that error. |
| 23:20.44 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: you just IRC? |
| 23:20.46 | Nyle | usually read debian docs or other technical docs |
| 23:21.01 | Nyle | nah I come here and look at all you |
| 23:21.09 | Nyle | I learn so much just by being here |
| 23:21.12 | metbsd | you are such a nerd |
| 23:21.18 | Nyle | I'mm sorry. |
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| 23:21.33 | metbsd | i suppose you use debian as desktop too |
| 23:21.39 | metbsd | right? |
| 23:21.40 | cafuego | Nyle: The number one lesson you should take from #debian is that not being on irc all day is good ;-) |
| 23:21.41 | chops | sixty6murph: The file /usr/include/openssl/sha.h does exist in the libssl-dev package. Sounds like that package isn't installed on your system. |
| 23:21.55 | Nyle | I'm hardly here these days |
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| 23:22.00 | Nyle | I come around every now and again |
| 23:22.01 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:22.08 | cafuego | pokes you with a blunt stick |
| 23:22.17 | metbsd | do you smoke or drink? |
| 23:22.27 | Nyle | I need a better way to preseed packages after install |
| 23:22.41 | Nyle | maybe a custom tasksel for my users would be nice |
| 23:22.59 | metbsd | Nyle, do you smoke or drink? |
| 23:23.04 | Nyle | neither |
| 23:23.10 | metbsd | gamble? |
| 23:23.14 | Nyle | I used to smoke, but I gave that up. no gamble |
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| 23:23.16 | Nyle | nothing |
| 23:23.20 | Nyle | I'm str8 up |
| 23:23.24 | sixty6murph | chops: apologies, i didn't have libssh-dev installed. got confused with apt-file usage, thought libssl-dev was on system |
| 23:23.27 | abrotman | this week |
| 23:23.27 | Nyle | and actually |
| 23:23.28 | metbsd | you like drinking coke? |
| 23:23.40 | cafuego | coke is for snorting |
| 23:23.49 | Nyle | hy all the hype about tasksel being bad, I mean I know I don't want all the preconfigured tasks/packages but.. it IS useful |
| 23:23.56 | metbsd | drinking coke can be addicted |
| 23:23.56 | Nyle | abrotman, more like 4 weeks solid now. |
| 23:24.13 | Nyle | s/hy/why? |
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| 23:24.26 | cafuego | Nyle: But if someone ate some of your hair they WOULD be stoned for a week still, right? |
| 23:24.34 | metbsd | no smoke, no drink, no gamble, no coke, many women wanna marry men like this |
| 23:24.34 | sixty6murph | chops: so now gcc file.c -l crypto -o file compiles without errors and produces file |
| 23:24.36 | Nyle | yeh, sure w/e |
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| 23:24.57 | Nyle | cafuego, you recommend the use of tasksel? |
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| 23:25.51 | cafuego | Nyle: prolly not, it installs a lot of cruft... but then I tend to know what packages I want so i can do it by hand anyway. |
| 23:25.55 | Nyle | dondelelcaro said just use a seed to preseed, but eh.. its soo.. simple |
| 23:26.01 | Nyle | script to preseed* |
| 23:26.04 | Nyle | not seed to preseed doh |
| 23:26.16 | Nyle | cafuego, well, I am trying to build some custom tasks for my office |
| 23:26.18 | cafuego | Nyle: I cheat by making a custom deb that just depends on whetever I usually need. |
| 23:26.23 | Nyle | and w/e new machines we install debian on |
| 23:26.40 | Nyle | I think I'll customize tasksel myself |
| 23:26.46 | Nyle | and save a custom iso |
| 23:27.00 | Nyle | its still debian, not a based distro but just a few config thigns are changed by default |
| 23:27.06 | Nyle | cafuego, hmm |
| 23:27.09 | dgl | I just tried to install on a pc with a luks-crypt device.. I reached the partioner and was in configure encrypted devices and so, and then I did a hard-shutdown to start from scratch.. but some way I think the installation touched my encrypted partiotion.. when I try to mount it it says that it can't recognize the filesystem |
| 23:27.11 | Nyle | actually thats a very good idea |
| 23:27.16 | Nyle | that is a VER&Y good idea |
| 23:27.19 | cafuego | Nyle: As I understand it, that's what preseed is for <heh> |
| 23:27.21 | Nyle | a dummy package that pulls in all the shit |
| 23:27.32 | cafuego | Nyle: I use equivs. Easy, quick, works. |
| 23:27.37 | Nyle | cafuego, my comprehension of it is still a bit ... meh |
| 23:27.41 | Nyle | ohhhh yes |
| 23:27.49 | Nyle | I had a blast with those while packaging SMC |
| 23:27.57 | cafuego | the what-cafuego-says-goes_1.1_amd64.deb ;-) |
| 23:27.57 | Nyle | grr. |
| 23:28.03 | Nyle | hehe |
| 23:28.07 | Nyle | nice man very nice |
| 23:28.14 | Nyle | I didn't and probably wouldn't have thought of that |
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| 23:28.46 | sixty6murph | chops: last question - would that result in an executable file? |
| 23:28.51 | cafuego | if you keep that on a local repo, you can simply update it, so all users would get the update and associated new depends |
| 23:29.15 | Nyle | cafuego, we have a local repository, well more like a cache really |
| 23:29.22 | cafuego | Nyle: *nod* |
| 23:29.35 | Nyle | heh |
| 23:29.36 | Nyle | to think |
| 23:29.46 | Nyle | when I came to using debian in 2001 |
| 23:29.54 | sixty6murph | chops: given that it's supposed to be a command line utility... |
| 23:29.57 | Nyle | heh |
| 23:29.59 | Nyle | good times |
| 23:30.03 | Nyle | remenicin' |
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| 23:31.26 | cafuego | sixty6murph: Yes, it makes an executable file called 'filename'. |
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| 23:32.46 | Nyle | !customcd |
| 23:32.50 | Nyle | !custom cd |
| 23:32.50 | dpkg | from memory, custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
| 23:32.51 | rickle | Hye guys I have a vps system in a data center wahts the best way to vpn it to my homelan ? |
| 23:33.04 | cafuego | rickle: openvpn |
| 23:33.23 | rickle | cafuego, ok so openvpn on debian and then windows 2003 i make a client ? |
| 23:33.26 | sixty6murph | cafuego: so i'd simply use it lie me@here:~/filename ? |
| 23:33.55 | cafuego | rickle: in order: "yes" and "windows 2003? I don't know" |
| 23:34.07 | cafuego | sixty6murph: ./filename |
| 23:34.36 | cafuego | sixty6murph: the current directory is not normally in the $PATH so you need to explicitly run it with ./ |
| 23:34.47 | rickle | cafuego, how have you used vpn before? i want to connect my debian vps at a data center to my home lan and i have 2 win2k3 servers and an debian workstation |
| 23:35.02 | sixty6murph | cafuego: i get it, thanks very much for your help. |
| 23:35.04 | cafuego | rickle: I'm used openvpn, but not windows 2003 |
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| 23:35.17 | sixty6murph | chops: likewise, much appreciated. |
| 23:35.30 | cafuego | rickle: google for windows and openvpn and see if it turns up anything |
| 23:35.40 | dondelelcaro | rickle: http://openvpn.net/index.php/documentation/install.html?start=1 |
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| 23:36.31 | rickle | ok thank you guys |
| 23:36.32 | cafuego | you could use pptp, but that has the disadvantage of being lots of V and N but a lot less P. |
| 23:36.47 | rickle | ? |
| 23:36.50 | sixty6murph | chops: likewise, much appreciated. |
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| 23:51.04 | cafuego | SamuraiDio: via the ulog module and a log scraper |
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