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| 00:03.52 | RedEyess | I need a pointer in the right direction. |
| 00:04.03 | RedEyess | I am using a intel 3945 wireless connection with Lenny |
| 00:04.16 | RedEyess | and when my computer boots up in DHCP I get the following error: |
| 00:04.32 | RedEyess | wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 |
| 00:04.37 | RedEyess | what am I doing wrong |
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| 00:11.43 | xskyoww | hi |
| 00:12.17 | xskyoww | i wanted to use my webcam microphone (viewable from arecord -l) but don't know how to record anything byselecting thisdevice |
| 00:12.22 | xskyoww | could u please givemea clu |
| 00:12.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | beats xskyoww with a Dictionary |
| 00:13.02 | xskyoww | sorry my space is out:( |
| 00:13.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | What about 'y' and 'o' in "you" |
| 00:13.42 | xskyoww | you :) |
| 00:14.53 | Blast_Hardcheese | Sounds good |
| 00:14.56 | xskyoww | Blast_Hardcheese, could you give me a clue to do that |
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| 00:15.41 | Blast_Hardcheese | Alas, I have no idea. I'm fairly new to Linux, there's a good chance someone else here might be able to help you. |
| 00:16.28 | xskyoww | thanks anyway |
| 00:16.42 | Blast_Hardcheese | Yeah, sorry about that |
| 00:16.43 | StyXman | xskyoww: hi, what's your problem? |
| 00:16.55 | xskyoww | StyXman, i m doing a pastebin |
| 00:17.29 | StyXman | pass me the url |
| 00:17.45 | xskyoww | http://pastebin.com/m4432b115 |
| 00:17.59 | xskyoww | i just want to use the last interface to capture sounds |
| 00:18.45 | StyXman | the camera? |
| 00:18.49 | xskyoww | yes :) |
| 00:18.57 | xskyoww | there is a microphone onit |
| 00:19.04 | justin | xskyoww: have you tried something like gnome-sound-recorder first? |
| 00:19.05 | StyXman | with arecord or another program? |
| 00:19.23 | xskyoww | justin, yes but i don't know what to choose, and i do that remotly |
| 00:19.26 | xskyoww | ... |
| 00:19.41 | xskyoww | styxmani don't know how to specify thatinterface in arecord |
| 00:19.50 | StyXman | xskyoww: man asound |
| 00:19.55 | xskyoww | i hve check the man and google but can't find anything |
| 00:20.05 | StyXman | arecord* |
| 00:20.20 | justin | -L, --list-pcms list device names |
| 00:20.20 | justin | -D, --device=NAME select PCM by name |
| 00:20.21 | xskyoww | ther eis a -D option but i wasnot able to specify it |
| 00:20.26 | StyXman | aha |
| 00:20.35 | justin | seems pretty straightforward |
| 00:20.49 | xskyoww | ihave tried "arecord -D "card 1"" |
| 00:20.49 | sixty6murph | dae |
| 00:20.52 | xskyoww | etc etc... |
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| 00:21.24 | StyXman | damn std name |
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| 00:21.43 | StyXman | -D hw:1,0? |
| 00:21.50 | StyXman | wild guesses |
| 00:21.53 | xskyoww | i try it |
| 00:22.41 | xskyoww | ecording WAVE 'stdin' : Unsigned 8 bit, Rate 8000 Hz, Mono |
| 00:22.41 | xskyoww | arecord: set_params:904: Sample format non available |
| 00:23.15 | StyXman | stdin? |
| 00:23.30 | xskyoww | don'tknow why this error |
| 00:24.04 | StyXman | xskyoww: check alsas homepage, they have lots of docs |
| 00:25.30 | StyXman | http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/FAQ |
| 00:25.48 | StyXman | see question 'what is the relation...' |
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| 00:30.26 | StyXman | hmm, nice things in that faq, but not what we want |
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| 00:31.04 | Nightwolf | hi, i've got the problem that setting hostname does not seem to work, i already tried all of the following: http://www.cpqlinux.com/hostname.html but nothing worked |
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| 00:31.34 | StyXman | Nightwolf: how do you see its not working? |
| 00:31.52 | Nightwolf | StyXman: ping only works with the ip |
| 00:32.27 | StyXman | xskyoww: -D Camera? |
| 00:32.33 | xskyoww | no |
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| 00:32.42 | xskyoww | perhaps i hve found |
| 00:32.43 | StyXman | xskyoww: ! |
| 00:32.49 | xskyoww | arecord -D plughw:1,0 -f cd -t wav test.wav |
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| 00:32.59 | xskyoww | i m downloading the file to check |
| 00:33.46 | StyXman | xskyoww: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/MultipleCards#Recommended_solution |
| 00:33.49 | xskyoww | is there a way to pipe the sound directly via netcat |
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| 00:34.38 | StyXman | Nightwolf: do tou have dns working, or are you just relaying on /etc/hosts? |
| 00:35.09 | StyXman | xskyoww: you mean, (net)cat'ing the sound file here, but listening 'there'? |
| 00:35.09 | Nightwolf | dns |
| 00:35.53 | StyXman | Nightwolf: are you ping'ing to the hostname or the full name? |
| 00:36.23 | StyXman | i.e., host or host.fulldomain.net ? |
| 00:36.54 | xskyoww | yes |
| 00:37.08 | Nightwolf | host, but i found out that dns doesn't seem to work correctly, i can't ping the other computers on the network on the debian |
| 00:37.09 | xskyoww | StyXman, that's that |
| 00:37.16 | Doug52392 | I have an annoying issue with my computer, which seems to exist in every Linux distro I've used. Somehow, the system beep (the loud beep from the interal sound card) always beeps whenever I, for example, press Tab in a Bash session to autocomplete a filename, press Backspace too much, or log in or out. How do I shut off the internal beep only soundcard? |
| 00:37.23 | xskyoww | streaming via netcat |
| 00:37.39 | StyXman | xskyoww: I think you can use sox for playying what you receive via netcat |
| 00:37.55 | StyXman | or you can set up pulseaudio or esound for remote playback |
| 00:38.12 | xskyoww | yes |
| 00:38.13 | StyXman | Nightwolf: chech /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:38.53 | Beerded | Doug52392 - http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Visual-Bell.html |
| 00:38.56 | xskyoww | hum or what option tochoose with arecord to be listenablevia sox ? |
| 00:39.19 | StyXman | Doug52392: serach for the 'system bell'. I really don't know more that that |
| 00:39.58 | StyXman | xskyoww: no, sox is just a audio player/converter |
| 00:40.13 | xskyoww | the idea was something like |
| 00:40.33 | xskyoww | arecord blablabla -f cd -t raw | nc host 55555 |
| 00:40.40 | StyXman | you can even set up a virtual soundcard that uses pulseaudio to use a remote pcm for playback |
| 00:40.43 | xskyoww | and on the other side |
| 00:40.56 | xskyoww | nc -l -p 55555 > /dev/audio |
| 00:40.58 | StyXman | netcat -l 55555 | sox <some parameters> |
| 00:41.06 | StyXman | nc* |
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| 00:45.39 | Nightwolf | StyXman: so.. what exactly should be written in there? i have nameserver <ip address of nameserver> |
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| 00:47.51 | quentusrex__ | Hello |
| 00:48.00 | Linuturk | I've used Ubuntu, Suse, Arch, DSL, Knoppix, and I'm sick of poor performance and packages breaking. Can debian help me? |
| 00:48.03 | venger | for sudo, to turn off lecturing, i've tried lecture=never in sudoers using visudo. That doesn't work. What am I doing wrong? |
| 00:48.40 | quentusrex__ | I want to run a command on startup using the init.d/ method. But the application doesn't seem to work right |
| 00:48.52 | StyXman | Nightwolf: hhm,m but you *have* ping to the server (by ip), right? |
| 00:48.57 | Beerded | Linuturk - I've used Linux since 1991 .. and I think that Debian is the best one for administration - and always has been the most complete system ;) |
| 00:49.13 | rking | Linuturk: i always use unstable, so my packages break sometimes. =) |
| 00:49.40 | Beerded | Linuturk, also - remember that Ubuntu etc all build on Debian .. with some differences |
| 00:49.54 | Linuturk | Beerded: rking: well, I want something stable and reliable, with up to date packages |
| 00:50.00 | StyXman | Linuturk: as Beerded says, packages won't break under Debian, specially if you run stable. for speed, go for slack or gentoo, but good luck admining those :) |
| 00:50.03 | Beerded | Linuturk - with Debian you need to know your way around the commandline etc. |
| 00:50.05 | Nightwolf | StyXman: right |
| 00:50.27 | Linuturk | I guess I'll give it a try |
| 00:50.39 | StyXman | Linuturk: for servers just use stable; for desktops, testing. |
| 00:50.45 | rking | Linuturk: i use debian/unstable because I'm greedy for the almost-latest upstream versions, and it's a tradeoff i'm willing to make. if you use stable, things probably won't ever explode. |
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| 00:51.34 | Linuturk | stable (never breaks) > testing (might break) > unstable (most likely breaks) |
| 00:51.35 | Linuturk | ? |
| 00:52.13 | Beerded | Linuturk, I use updates, etch-proposed-updates |
| 00:52.47 | rking | Linuturk: kind of. even then, unstable isn't going to break without updating, and it is possible to check the status of packages before updates. |
| 00:52.58 | Beerded | Linuturk, only testing sparingly - I comment it from sources.list after getting something specific |
| 00:53.19 | Linuturk | so, etch proposed updates? |
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| 00:53.27 | Linuturk | they put newer packages in there eh? |
| 00:53.49 | Beerded | Linuturk, yes - somewhat .. before complete testing |
| 00:54.08 | Beerded | Linuturk, remember to set the /etc/apt/preferences priorities though .. |
| 00:54.27 | Nightwolf | StyXman: thanks for your help, i better should sleep a while... |
| 00:54.29 | Beerded | Linuturk, I also add other stuff like debian-multimedia and other sources |
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| 00:54.36 | blizzkid | I installed a .deb and changed some files. Is there a quick way to recreate a .deb with those changed files? |
| 00:55.06 | StyXman | blizzkid: dpkg-repack or something like that |
| 00:55.13 | Linuturk | Beerded: debian docs I should see? |
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| 00:56.37 | Beerded | Linuturk: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 00:57.20 | Beerded | Linuturk, however there are a lot of tips floating around in articles and guides ... debian-admin etc .. |
| 00:57.31 | blizzkid | StyXman, how can I add author and such things? |
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| 00:57.51 | blizzkid | and version? |
| 00:58.32 | underscore | quick xmodmap question: how would one write a line for xmodmap that would essentially map <Super>+1 to F1? |
| 00:59.03 | StyXman | blizzkid: no, then, you better download the sources and modify that |
| 00:59.18 | Linuturk | I think I'm going to try xfce debian stable |
| 00:59.36 | blizzkid | hmm, that's a bit of a problem, coz it won't compile from source |
| 00:59.41 | StyXman | or... you can modify the /usr/share/doc/<package>/changelog before repacking |
| 00:59.46 | akio | is there a channel that a bunch of CompSci buffs hang out in? |
| 00:59.46 | Beerded | Linuturk - just search for apt preferences on www.debianadmin.com or www.debian-administration.org |
| 01:00.06 | Linuturk | mmk |
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| 01:00.20 | Linuturk | thx |
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| 01:01.11 | akio | huhlig |
| 01:03.15 | huhlig | yo |
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| 01:16.40 | Linuturk | What does the Desktop Enviroment tasksel install? gnome? |
| 01:16.52 | amphi | I believe so |
| 01:17.13 | Linuturk | what would the best course of action be if I only wanted xfce? |
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| 01:19.18 | amphi | Linuturk: not bother with tasksel, and install what you need manually |
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| 01:19.47 | Linuturk | k |
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| 01:23.20 | Caelum | anyone know how to set the passkey for kdebluetooth |
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| 01:24.12 | maxwell | hey |
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| 01:28.00 | maximin | hey |
| 01:28.07 | maximin | sup |
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| 01:41.39 | cizzi | hi maximin |
| 01:42.10 | maximin | sup |
| 01:42.23 | cizzi | maximin - you run which kernel version? |
| 01:42.34 | Linuturk | I'm trying to configure xorg for etch, but it says it is "Unable to find a valid framebuffer device" I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and it seemed to autodetect everything. Nvidia card using nv driver. help? |
| 01:43.09 | cizzi | Linuturk - did you go to nvidia.com and download the most recent linux 32-bit drivers for your video card? |
| 01:43.13 | cizzi | they have updated them recently |
| 01:43.15 | maximin | tell me the command for my kernel version, my good friend, and I will tell you my version |
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| 01:43.23 | cizzi | maximin - uname -a |
| 01:43.27 | jetscreamer | Linuturk: you say no to framebuffer |
| 01:43.36 | Linuturk | no cizzi, i'm using the xorg nv driver |
| 01:43.38 | jetscreamer | Linuturk: fb+nvidia bad |
| 01:43.45 | Linuturk | bah, ok |
| 01:43.49 | Linuturk | let me try that |
| 01:43.53 | maximin | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 01:43.55 | cizzi | if you have an nvidia card you should use the nvidia driver not nv |
| 01:43.58 | maximin | oh that seems old... |
| 01:44.05 | jetscreamer | you can use nv, but fb bad |
| 01:44.13 | jetscreamer | you 'want' nvidia though |
| 01:44.14 | cizzi | maximin - allright. .i wanted to know if you were running .25 by any chance, was released yesterday |
| 01:44.35 | maximin | any reason why i should not run .25? |
| 01:44.42 | cizzi | jetscreamer - hey how u been long time no talk |
| 01:45.04 | cizzi | maximin - not that i know of |
| 01:45.19 | amphi | maximin: seems to be working ok here |
| 01:45.27 | Linuturk | thanks jetscreamer |
| 01:45.35 | Linuturk | I'll work on the other nvidia driver later |
| 01:45.38 | Linuturk | nv works fine for now |
| 01:45.46 | maximin | would give me an excuse to tweak and make sure the kernel is optimized for my drivers, I suppose |
| 01:45.48 | amphi | maximin: even gave me a master channel for my sound card |
| 01:45.50 | jetscreamer | what is that factoid? |
| 01:45.54 | jetscreamer | !nvrun |
| 01:45.54 | dpkg | For a quick nvidia-installer how-to, try http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt Please note that #debian does not support the nvidia-installer, ask for assistance in #nvidia , if need be. |
| 01:46.00 | jetscreamer | Linuturk: ^^ |
| 01:46.33 | maximin | I've been wanting to enable acpi for hibernating, tired of my laptop scanning the disk every 22 times I boot it |
| 01:47.05 | maximin | also for some reason debian just massacres my batteries, and I bet it's because cpu throttling isn't coming on |
| 01:47.24 | jetscreamer | Linuturk: yeah nv is fine, just no 3d |
| 01:47.29 | amphi | maximin: what cpufreq governor are you using? |
| 01:47.44 | Linuturk | woot, i'm in x jetscreamer :) |
| 01:47.53 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 01:48.10 | Linuturk | that's a start :) this seems much faster than ubuntu too |
| 01:48.13 | maximin | just moved here from ubuntu, amphi, not quite sure how to check |
| 01:48.16 | Linuturk | granted, I have nothing installed :) |
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| 01:49.26 | Linuturk | why is aptitude holding the linux-image back? |
| 01:49.57 | maximin | amphi, think I'd get around to fixing those if I followed a laptop-targeted kernel recompile guide? |
| 01:50.00 | stew | Linuturk: /msg dpkg held back |
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| 01:50.12 | amphi | maximin: what cpu is this? |
| 01:50.33 | maximin | pentium 3 mobile? |
| 01:50.37 | maximin | it's a centrino chipset |
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| 01:52.37 | amphi | maximin: speedstep_centrino is loaded? |
| 01:52.37 | maximin | and i've had problems with some video and acpi for as long as the blessed linux kernel has been running on my computer |
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| 01:53.27 | Linuturk | heh, good thing I got X going. the laptop I was using to check things just died |
| 01:53.28 | Linuturk | lol |
| 01:53.59 | maximin | amphi, sudo lsmod|grep centrino would show something if I had it loaded, right? |
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| 01:54.05 | Linuturk | ok, gotta go watch BSG |
| 01:54.09 | Linuturk | l8r |
| 01:54.29 | amphi | maximin: yes |
| 01:54.50 | amphi | maximin: try modprobe speedstep_centrino I think it is |
| 01:55.24 | maximin | they're loaded now |
| 01:55.49 | amphi | maximin: try setting the ondemand governor |
| 01:56.20 | amphi | maximin: you might need to modprobe cpufreq_ondemand |
| 01:57.31 | maximin | that is now loaded as well |
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| 01:57.59 | maximin | I think I can find a menu applet for monitoring it |
| 01:58.48 | amphi | maximin: what does 'cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' say? |
| 01:59.09 | maximin | uhh, meow? |
| 01:59.24 | maximin | nor; performance |
| 01:59.30 | maximin | two lines, that is |
| 01:59.41 | amphi | eh? |
| 02:00.09 | maximin | take that back, the nor was just wraparound from governor |
| 02:00.14 | maximin | just performance |
| 02:00.23 | amphi | do 'echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor' |
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| 02:01.07 | maximin | it is now indeed set to ondemand :) |
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| 02:01.44 | maximin | will it take effect when I boot? also, will the modprobes I did be permanent or do I need to write them into an init somewhere? |
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| 02:02.08 | amphi | maximin: you can add those modules to /etc/modules |
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| 02:03.24 | amphi | maximin: you could add a line 'devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor = ondemand' to /etc/sysfs.conf |
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| 02:09.26 | maximin | oh no, I did cp speedstep-centrino.ko /etc/modules, and /etc/modules is now a file with centrino.ko's contents |
| 02:10.07 | maximin | hrm, was it a folder to begin with? |
| 02:11.14 | stew | maximin: no, if it were a folder, "cp speedstep-centrino.ko /etc/modules" would have just created /etc/modules/speedstep-centrino.ko |
| 02:11.43 | stew | maximin: unless you had edited it previously, it would have basically just contained "loop" |
| 02:11.45 | maximin | I believed so too |
| 02:12.03 | stew | maximin: so "echo loop > /etc/modules ; echo speedstep-centrino >> /etc/modules" |
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| 02:12.38 | Caelum | yay, got my bluetooth to work |
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| 02:14.10 | maximin | stew, modules is just a string of module names? |
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| 02:15.37 | cwheeler | anyone have a info on installing linux with boot camp on os x? |
| 02:15.43 | akio | do you guys know how i would go about using aafire as a screensaver in graphics mode? |
| 02:16.14 | stew | maximin: yes a list, one per line. i believe it looks like this upon a fresh install: http://paste.debian.net/1090/ |
| 02:16.40 | maximin | so I've not fubared my system |
| 02:16.51 | maximin | you know, I'll do a backup of etc right now... |
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| 02:17.10 | stew | maximin: i'd recommend one daily |
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| 02:18.24 | maximin | *shudders remembering the time he did rm -R /bin |
| 02:18.35 | maximin | it was on osx though and thus forgivable |
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| 02:22.39 | pmyshkin | hey guys, how do I figure out which /dev/* file points to my usb hard drive? |
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| 02:29.45 | dondelelcaro | pmyshkin: dmesg will tell you, as will /proc/partitions |
| 02:29.51 | pmyshkin | thanks |
| 02:30.45 | xXploit | could probably just do sudo fdisk -l and have it show the device |
| 02:31.23 | dondelelcaro | xXploit: that just walks /proc/partitions |
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| 02:33.03 | maximin | what do you say when you're looking for an app, find it, read a little about it, think that surely this must be an awesome open source console based magic thing |
| 02:33.05 | xXploit | yeh? i imagine his usb hd is is alrdy formatted for ntfs etc, so id assume it show display |
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| 02:33.17 | maximin | and you find out it's a windows xp gui app |
| 02:33.26 | maximin | when you go to dowload it : ( |
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| 02:34.37 | maximin | then you're like "fuck, this means i can't trust this encryption, this codebase!" and you want to send the author an email trying to free his mind, but then you click the close button in disgust |
| 02:35.29 | maximin | I wonder how many awesome opensource authors spend most of their efforts writing code under commercial liscense for their employers.. |
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| 02:36.00 | rking | maximin: wine it? |
| 02:36.30 | maximin | it's an encrpytion/steganography suite boasting all sorts of novel and cutting edge methods |
| 02:36.41 | maximin | I can't trust that crap :/ |
| 02:36.42 | dondelelcaro | novel encryption is scary |
| 02:37.02 | dondelelcaro | if it hasn't been peer reviewed, you don't want to use it |
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| 02:37.28 | dondelelcaro | xXploit: oh, it'd display; my point was just that fdisk -l just gives you the devices in /proc/partitions |
| 02:38.07 | maximin | well, there are a few interesting tools for steganographically hiding arbitrary encrypted data in files such as your registry or arbitrary image files |
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| 02:38.36 | dondelelcaro | steganography is a bit of a different beast, sure |
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| 02:38.52 | maximin | i'd trust those for laughs but they'd probably make the data seem hotter under analysis that if you had it just encrypted |
| 02:38.53 | dondelelcaro | (but frankly, you might as well use encryption anyway) |
| 02:39.02 | maximin | indeed |
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| 02:39.53 | maximin | hehe, I could use stegonagraphy inside the encrypted plaintext |
| 02:40.22 | maximin | but I don't think that would fool anyone that could break that first round of encryption |
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| 02:45.41 | rking | maximin: in my experience with compound problems in general (where i fix one part of the problem, see that it doesn't work, roll it back, then fix the other part, etc), that can be very confusing |
| 02:46.10 | maximin | what do you mean? |
| 02:46.15 | rking | maximin: if you had a plausible text - like say something that looks like a diary or obscene emails or something, then i doubt even a very determined investigator would look closer |
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| 02:47.09 | rking | maximin: well, let's say your network is down, and it's because your modem /and/ your network cable are both bad. it would be easy to swap out the cable, get no success, and put the old one back in. then, swap out modems, get no luck, put the old one back in, and then go on looking for the problem elsewhere |
| 02:47.32 | maximin | there are statistical analysis tools, a gnu app called stegdetect, etc. |
| 02:47.40 | rking | since it is a compound problem, of both the cable and the modem, they have to be simultaneously analyzed |
| 02:47.51 | maximin | true |
| 02:48.43 | rking | well, if you had an encrypted file whose payload looked like something someone would want to hide, but for other reasons (like embarrassment), it would take a very keen individual to then pipe it through something like this stegdetect |
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| 02:49.18 | maximin | but detecting steganography at any one layer wold be a matter of applying certain data-density metrics to what you have, it could be part of an automated system that just chews your files over |
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| 02:49.55 | maximin | plus, we're assuming they get through your first round of encryption, which would mean it's scary people looking at your file |
| 02:49.55 | rking | i'd think detecting steganography would be more a matter of noticing awkward grammar, etc. |
| 02:50.15 | rking | or that you got sloppy (e.g., got keylogged) |
| 02:50.35 | maximin | much more likely |
| 02:50.36 | rking | (that last comment was re: your last, not a continuation of mine) |
| 02:50.56 | maximin | yeah, and you raise a very good point |
| 02:51.24 | maximin | they don't have to break your encryption, just your system |
| 02:51.53 | rking | yeah |
| 02:51.59 | maximin | steal the keyfob, whatever |
| 02:52.19 | maximin | or search your premises for hints on the key |
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| 02:53.40 | maximin | eh, many way to become owned |
| 02:53.59 | maximin | I wonder if gnu software is all that safe sometimes |
| 02:54.03 | dondelelcaro | most security is just measured in terms of time and money required to break it |
| 02:54.11 | rking | dondelelcaro: good point |
| 02:54.19 | cizzi | maximin - no software is safe |
| 02:54.28 | cizzi | and now they have hacked CPUs as well |
| 02:54.32 | cizzi | backdoors in physicall processors |
| 02:54.52 | dondelelcaro | maximin: depends on the project, but usually they're safer than the equivalent non-FOSS software |
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| 02:55.08 | rking | cizzi: but there is such a thing as "safe enough" - like dondelelcaro says, it's measured in effort to overcome the security |
| 02:55.36 | rking | i'll be honest, there are times when the silly "right click disabled" things on web pages have deterred me from bothering to View-Source and dig around |
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| 02:56.12 | dondelelcaro | rking: heh; I've never let them modify my context menu |
| 02:56.41 | dondelelcaro | (greasemonkey also means that annoying javascript in webpages doesn't bother me much) |
| 02:56.52 | maximin | well, if the nsa really is 5 years in advance of current technology, would it be possible for them to have seeded open source software with tiny backholes? |
| 02:57.06 | rking | dondelelcaro: i mean via simple javascript |
| 02:57.06 | dondelelcaro | maximin: no |
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| 02:57.36 | maximin | not kernels or anything, necessarily |
| 02:57.47 | maximin | but say certain servers' compilers |
| 02:57.49 | rking | dondelelcaro: i am not so quick to say anything is "impossible" |
| 02:58.18 | \amethyst | maximin: have you read "Reflections on Trusting Trust"? |
| 02:58.19 | dondelelcaro | maximin: pretty much all of the major stuff is much older than that, and it's pretty hard to sneak anything in and keep it snuck in |
| 02:58.31 | maximin | amethyst, I was about to cite it :) |
| 02:59.02 | \amethyst | maximin: it is not so easy now that there's more than one compiler |
| 02:59.12 | maximin | very true |
| 02:59.26 | dondelelcaro | and the compiler itself is pretty heavily checked |
| 02:59.42 | cafuego | and why would they bother, since they WILL be found out in a not long period of time |
| 02:59.51 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: exactly |
| 03:00.13 | dondelelcaro | considering the number of times gcc has been bootstraped on different architectures, it'd be really surprising |
| 03:00.26 | rking | here's an example: an expert team that is way ahead on security flaws that keeps a kitbag of a billion exploits |
| 03:00.44 | maximin | cafeugo, the could have plausible deniability easily, and they wouldn't have to change sourcecode, just binary |
| 03:01.02 | cafuego | maximin: if the binary is changed, my system tells me. |
| 03:01.19 | cafuego | maximin: unless the tripwire install is also changed, which rquires more key cracking. |
| 03:01.34 | \amethyst | cafuego: the problem would be if they changed it 20 years ago |
| 03:01.39 | cafuego | At which point I get back to "why bother". |
| 03:02.03 | cafuego | \amethyst: The code has been reviewed by non-NSA people over those 20 years. |
| 03:02.12 | maximin | for a certain price someone could make it so that the binary gets on there without alerting your logs, and shows up correct according to checksum databases |
| 03:02.15 | \amethyst | cafuego: the machine code? |
| 03:02.27 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: but they'd have to have changed it in all of the compilers; since stubs can be written directly in assembly to bootstrap, it'd be pretty difficult to sneak by |
| 03:02.33 | \amethyst | yeah |
| 03:02.35 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: on all architectures? |
| 03:02.35 | cafuego | \amethyst: I iamgine so, if only bcause that ahd to be ported across to a new arch. |
| 03:02.45 | rking | right. when was the last time an independent individual x-rayed the goings-on in a processor? |
| 03:02.49 | \amethyst | Like I said, now that there's more than one compiler, it's not so easy |
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| 03:03.22 | cafuego | But arguing with a paranoid person is useless, they just think you're part of the conspiracy ;-) |
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| 03:03.25 | dondelelcaro | rking: depends on the processor, but there are lots of fpgas out there |
| 03:03.28 | maximin | the point is, I think, that there could be "enough" of this software floating around/in execution on random machines everywhere |
| 03:03.39 | maximin | operative word "could" |
| 03:03.43 | maximin | not saying your machine |
| 03:03.44 | \amethyst | err, it's called Windows |
| 03:03.49 | maximin | but machines you deal with |
| 03:03.56 | maximin | hehe |
| 03:04.16 | cafuego | goes to microwave infected pizza |
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| 03:07.06 | \amethyst | Why install an intentional backdoor when there are so many accidental ones? |
| 03:07.15 | maximin | this is the stego software I was talking about: http://www.stegano.ro/index.htm |
| 03:07.34 | maximin | done by a romanian hacker type |
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| 03:08.08 | maximin | being that I am romanian I know that it is not correct to implicity trust romanians |
| 03:08.44 | \amethyst | I mean, you might use the accidental ones to install an intentional one... but getting it built into the OS isn't really necessary. If Storm has millions of zombies, $agency{$government} could do it too |
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| 03:09.23 | maximin | all it would take would be money, really? |
| 03:09.54 | Nyle | infected? |
| 03:10.00 | maximin | well for the right price someone could blow you up |
| 03:10.06 | maximin | aaah well |
| 03:10.29 | maximin | I'm glad I don't have to be that paranoid |
| 03:10.35 | Nyle | especially if you promise them 72 virgins |
| 03:11.11 | maximin | or citizenship and a million dollars |
| 03:11.21 | maximin | err |
| 03:11.23 | maximin | heck |
| 03:11.47 | maximin | our boys are trained to do it without thinking about it, and have the equipment where it's like a video game for them |
| 03:11.58 | maximin | shrug |
| 03:12.37 | \amethyst | "On July 28, 2009 the Storm botnet gained self-awareness" |
| 03:13.27 | Nyle | well that would be some shit eh |
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| 03:14.24 | \amethyst | August 29, 1997 would be a bit of a stretch to believe |
| 03:14.54 | maximin | is that skynet's birthday? |
| 03:15.09 | \amethyst | when it gained sentience according to the second movie |
| 03:15.21 | Seb | hmm, never noticed that before, but gzip'ing 2 identical files yields to .gz files of different md5sums |
| 03:15.25 | Linuturk | what packages do I need for alsamixer and glxinfo? |
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| 03:15.35 | maximin | seb, that's Gay |
| 03:15.40 | \amethyst | Seb: the file's timestamps are stored in the gz |
| 03:15.52 | Seb | \amethyst: any way to prevent that ? |
| 03:16.15 | Seb | maximin: you meant sad |
| 03:16.42 | Seb | \amethyst: -N it seems |
| 03:16.43 | maximin | I thought you meant the algorithm was nondeterministic |
| 03:17.08 | \amethyst | Seb: -n |
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| 03:17.10 | Seb | \amethyst: yeah :) |
| 03:18.20 | Seb | \amethyst: now I wonder if I can get tar to do that too when calling tar czf |
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| 03:19.04 | \amethyst | Seb: GZIP=-n |
| 03:19.50 | Seb | \amethyst: heh I was reading man tar, but that's fair enough :) |
| 03:20.05 | \amethyst | Seb: it's mentioned in the tar info docs but not the manpage |
| 03:20.16 | Seb | \amethyst: gotcha |
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| 03:20.38 | Seb | \amethyst: man gzip describes it too, actually |
| 03:20.42 | Seb | \amethyst: well thanks a lot, man ! |
| 03:20.52 | \amethyst | Seb: yeah, since gzip is the program that actually looks at the variable |
| 03:20.57 | Seb | yep |
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| 03:22.08 | maximin | the fbi have alreeady used trojan horses and keystroke logging to read encrypted data |
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| 03:22.13 | maximin | well duh |
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| 03:23.13 | maximin | I guess I's shouldn't do anything that I'd really have to hide from the government |
| 03:24.10 | ArtVandalae | Hi guys, what package is autoconf/automake part of? |
| 03:24.12 | \amethyst | don't forget TEMPEST |
| 03:24.52 | Seb | ArtVandalae: apt-cache search autoconf will tell you |
| 03:25.10 | Linuturk | ugh |
| 03:25.12 | \amethyst | (technically, TEMPEST is a U.S. military standard for *avoiding* van Eck eavesdropping, not for performing it) |
| 03:25.34 | ArtVandalae | Seb, thanks |
| 03:25.59 | \amethyst | oh, apparently NATO too |
| 03:26.13 | ArtVandalae | Seb, that was a bit embarrassing, it was part of autoconf... must have misspelled it the first time :\ |
| 03:26.27 | maximin | amethyst, a shielded laptop with some sort of fiberoptic screen would be to die for |
| 03:26.45 | amphi | maximin: literally, perhaps ;) |
| 03:26.51 | Seb | \amethyst: I can't get GZIP=-n to work with tar, even when exporting it |
| 03:27.06 | maximin | amphi, in many situations, i'm sure |
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| 03:27.25 | amphi | maximin: you haven't forgotten good ol' "rubber hose decryption" ? |
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| 03:28.08 | maximin | what that is? |
| 03:28.32 | \amethyst | maximin: beat the person with a rubber hose until they tell you the key |
| 03:28.53 | Linuturk | hmm, why can't I shutdown or restart my computer? |
| 03:29.11 | Seb | \amethyst: hrm actually it's tar acting up now, not gzip |
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| 03:31.49 | Seb | nah, it's not, it's gzip |
| 03:31.56 | Blackbuster | I can always shut down my computer instant fix see the big wire going to your power supply at the back of your computer? Yeah pull real hard and yank it out |
| 03:32.08 | Seb | the tar files have the same md5sum, and if gzip them with -n manually afterwards, it's ok |
| 03:32.12 | Seb | shite |
| 03:32.33 | Blackbuster | If its still on after that you got problems mentally lol |
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| 03:35.17 | \amethyst | Blackbuster: I take it you don't have a laptop? |
| 03:35.36 | \amethyst | (yes, I know you can (usually) take the battery out) |
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| 03:35.56 | maximin | are remote login servers ever configured to let people login remotely using your local users and passwords? |
| 03:36.14 | \amethyst | 'local users and passwords'? |
| 03:36.26 | maximin | like root/rootpwd |
| 03:36.33 | \amethyst | what do you mean by 'local'? |
| 03:36.47 | maximin | oh |
| 03:37.00 | pickcoder | is still trying to find libs or some other help for implementing a knapsack / bin pack solution |
| 03:37.31 | Blackbuster | Don't need one when I am at home |
| 03:37.52 | Blackbuster | and it ain't hard to pull a battery out of a laptop |
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| 03:38.18 | maximin | I presume that by default they're off or configured so that the root account isn't accessible? |
| 03:38.20 | \amethyst | pickcoder: what variant? Do you need an exact or approximate solution? |
| 03:38.40 | \amethyst | maximin: depends. default in Debian's openssh-server is to let root log in remotely |
| 03:39.01 | \amethyst | maximin: Mine is set up to let root log in remotely, but only with a key, not a password |
| 03:39.03 | pickcoder | \amethyst: I have (or will have) volume and 3-d measurements of the bins and items |
| 03:39.08 | maximin | I've been using a single letter password for about a few weeks now |
| 03:39.23 | \amethyst | maximin: then don't install openssh-server |
| 03:39.31 | \amethyst | or change the config before starting it up |
| 03:39.37 | \amethyst | else you're toast |
| 03:39.49 | maximin | I'm guessing I didn't have anything like that running |
| 03:39.58 | maximin | yeah i secured my passwords |
| 03:40.15 | pickcoder | \amethyst: the approximate solution will work as long as it doesn't exceed a certain amount of fill volume |
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| 03:40.44 | pickcoder | 20% is fine.. We may go higher if it's feasible |
| 03:41.50 | \amethyst | pickcoder: so like a 3D version of the cutting stock problem? |
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| 03:42.16 | \amethyst | since shape matters and the shapes are (presumably) irregular |
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| 03:43.02 | heroxbd | Hi. Is there any Virtual USB storage packages? e.g. |
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| 03:43.44 | heroxbd | mapping a USB image as a USB storage device in a Virtual Machine |
| 03:46.11 | \amethyst | pickcoder: Hm, found this: Paul E. Sweeny and Elizabeth Ridenour Paternoster. Cutting and Packing Problems: A Categorized, Application-Orientated Research Bibliography. J. Operational Research Society, Vol 43, No 7, pp. 691--706, 1992. |
| 03:46.54 | \amethyst | pickcoder: it's on JSTOR at http://www.jstor.org/pss/2583579 if you have access |
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| 03:48.28 | pickcoder | \amethyst: they are all considered cubes, even if they are irregular shapes |
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| 03:48.45 | pickcoder | packing will fill voids for odd shaps and cylinders |
| 03:50.05 | \amethyst | pickcoder: hm, that subproblem has probably been well-studied, but I don't know any good approximation algorithms for it, myself |
| 03:50.16 | dacs | good evening all |
| 03:50.57 | \amethyst | pickcoder: do you have access to the journal or to JSTOR? |
| 03:51.07 | Linuturk | hey, what is up with fam and gamin? It is really annoying me and not letting me install gnucash or gnumeric |
| 03:51.43 | dacs | stew: are you here |
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| 03:52.30 | pickcoder | \amethyst: nope |
| 03:52.42 | dacs | wb jetscreamer |
| 03:52.53 | pickcoder | I found a couple of GA applications on SF but they're basic so far |
| 03:53.02 | jetscreamer | thx |
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| 03:53.46 | pickcoder | the commercial applications I've found go way beyond the scope of what we need and are a waste of money |
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| 03:53.51 | [phl4k-x] | hola a todos |
| 03:53.58 | [phl4k-x] | alguien tiene Snort en produccion? |
| 03:54.04 | jetscreamer | !r |
| 03:54.04 | dpkg | R is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 03:54.08 | jetscreamer | err |
| 03:54.10 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 03:54.10 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 03:54.15 | jetscreamer | lo siento |
| 03:54.26 | Linuturk | !fam |
| 03:54.27 | dpkg | somebody said fam was a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by efm, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source |
| 03:54.37 | Linuturk | !gamin |
| 03:54.46 | Linuturk | :-/ |
| 03:54.47 | jetscreamer | !tell Linuturk -about msg |
| 03:54.55 | jetscreamer | !tell Linuturk -about search |
| 03:55.06 | jetscreamer | gamin is what you want if you do not want udev |
| 03:55.15 | jetscreamer | install it before you rip out udev |
| 03:55.16 | Linuturk | well, I'm trying to install gnucash |
| 03:55.26 | Linuturk | but, it's complaining about fam and gamin |
| 03:55.28 | jetscreamer | fam and gamin do the same things iirc |
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| 03:55.37 | jetscreamer | you would need one or the other |
| 03:55.40 | dacs | can my ssh settings change if i changed my ISP |
| 03:55.45 | Linuturk | well, they apparently hate each other, and neither one is working :-/ |
| 03:55.49 | jetscreamer | fam is file alteration monitor or so |
| 03:55.57 | jetscreamer | no it's one or the other afaik |
| 03:56.21 | jetscreamer | dacs: well your ip would be different |
| 03:56.34 | Linuturk | jetscreamer: well, how do I fix this? |
| 03:57.12 | jetscreamer | try apt-get -f install if you have both (just to see what happens) or remove one of them |
| 03:57.52 | Linuturk | well, I have gamin installed |
| 03:58.00 | Linuturk | but I guess gnucash depends on fam? |
| 03:58.03 | pickcoder | dacs: I think you'll need to be a bit more specific if you want an answer |
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| 03:58.31 | jetscreamer | gamin is a kde thing iirc, and that would make fam a gnomeish thing, so at a guess... |
| 03:58.46 | jetscreamer | and gnucash is more of a gnomeish thing i think |
| 03:58.54 | jetscreamer | but i dunno |
| 03:58.58 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 03:58.58 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 03:59.00 | jetscreamer | do that |
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| 03:59.07 | Linuturk | o, well, turns out apt-get works fine. aptitude tries to recommend to many things. |
| 03:59.10 | jetscreamer | it will fix it... :) |
| 03:59.11 | Linuturk | jetscreamer: ^ |
| 03:59.16 | jetscreamer | muahahahaha |
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| 03:59.36 | jetscreamer | seriously, that rocks |
| 04:00.01 | keith4__ | is there a way to get the total size of the 10 oldest files in a directory? something like (if it worked, which it doesn't) "du -sh `ls -tr | head -n 10`" |
| 04:00.05 | dacs | jetscreamer: yeah i know about the ip |
| 04:00.23 | jetscreamer | dacs: other than that i don't know much about why ssh doesn't work |
| 04:00.39 | pickcoder | \amethyst: I'm wondering if maybe there's another approach to rudamentally solving it by a non-mathematical representation |
| 04:00.52 | Beerded | keith4__ : what about expr and adding the sizes .. |
| 04:01.17 | dacs | jetscreamer: when i ssh to my home box, from work ;) to connect to irssi. i am able to login , but for some rease it will time out |
| 04:01.19 | pickcoder | (given math will still be involved) |
| 04:01.23 | keith4__ | hmmm, could work |
| 04:02.00 | jetscreamer | keith4: i'd try asking such a question in #bash and/or #perl at the same time |
| 04:02.00 | keith4__ | maybe ls, cut, and expr |
| 04:02.19 | keith4__ | yah, i was hoping for a quick, one-liner.. not a complicated perl answer ;-) |
| 04:02.31 | Beerded | keith4__ : do a for-loop |
| 04:02.42 | Beerded | keith4__ : adding to another variable |
| 04:03.34 | Beerded | keith4__ : oh, and du -c |
| 04:03.42 | Beerded | keith4__ : for totals .. |
| 04:03.46 | pickcoder | keith4: awk-> sort |
| 04:03.58 | keith4__ | ooh, du -c might do it! |
| 04:04.10 | keith4__ | bingo. thanks! |
| 04:04.28 | Beerded | keith4__ : de nada ;) |
| 04:04.38 | keith4__ | du -csh `ls -tr | head -n 10` | tail -n 1 |
| 04:04.42 | keith4__ | does a little jig |
| 04:04.48 | pickcoder | ls -l | awk '{print $6}' | sort | head -n 10 |
| 04:05.00 | pickcoder | though that just gives you the dates |
| 04:05.01 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 04:05.16 | keith4__ | pickcoder: yah.... ls can sort. i wanted a sum. got it, though |
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| 04:07.31 | pickcoder | \amethyst: you know.. it may work based on volume alone. |
| 04:10.50 | \amethyst | pickcoder: in that case it's just the bin-packing problem |
| 04:11.39 | pickcoder | only way to know is to run a test on a few orders |
| 04:11.42 | \amethyst | it's NP-complete, but first-fit decreasing is only about 22% worse than optimal |
| 04:12.22 | \amethyst | (that is, sort the objects largest to smallest, then for each object (in order) put it into the first box it fits in |
| 04:12.26 | \amethyst | ) |
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| 04:12.50 | pickcoder | yeah I've gotten that much done and I have box selections done based on the largest item |
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| 04:14.48 | Shadow_X|chillin | anyone know how to get an atheros wireless card workin in debian? |
| 04:14.57 | \amethyst | Again, the 22% results is purely from volume and doesn't take into account that you can't fit three (or even two) 2x2x2 items into a 3x3x3 box |
| 04:17.07 | pickcoder | hm |
| 04:17.56 | \amethyst | however, first-fit decreasing is still probably adequate for your needs |
| 04:18.05 | enouf | Shadow_X: Factoid search of 'atheros' by value (6): openhal ;; madwifi ;; zd1211rw ;; ath5k ;; wg111u ;; madwifi-install. <-- pick the one that applies :-P |
| 04:18.08 | pickcoder | I dunno.. |
| 04:18.15 | pickcoder | we sell a huge variety of items |
| 04:18.28 | pickcoder | it we only sold PCs and monitors it'd be fine |
| 04:18.38 | pickcoder | it/if |
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| 04:20.38 | pickcoder | then there's item rotation limits.. bottles of liquid, for example |
| 04:21.20 | pickcoder | ugh |
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| 04:23.56 | pickcoder | I think I may have to go the simulation route somehow |
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| 04:33.30 | peter_12 | what is the debian equivalent of "chkconfig --level 35 dovecot on"? |
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| 04:34.30 | irelinquish | hey whats a good mouse and key recorder? |
| 04:34.57 | peter_12 | irelinquish: why are you trying to record? |
| 04:35.25 | irelinquish | i need to record me sending a messeage on aim |
| 04:35.32 | irelinquish | to keep a guys phone on fire |
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| 04:35.38 | irelinquish | he's messing with my gf |
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| 04:36.11 | peter_12 | no idea |
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| 04:36.38 | irelinquish | lol want to help me out for a minute? |
| 04:36.47 | irelinquish | just send like 20 messages his way? |
| 04:36.54 | peter_12 | no thanks |
| 04:36.58 | irelinquish | thanks dude |
| 04:37.06 | irelinquish | its all good |
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| 04:37.50 | cal | I read debian.org, but can someone tell me some features that makes Debian stand out? |
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| 04:42.30 | enouf | welp, one would be - so many think it's good enough to create forks of - must be something they like about it |
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| 04:42.36 | Linuturk | hmm, how would I use /etc/apt/preferences to have pidgin pulled from backports? |
| 04:42.53 | enouf | do /msg dpkg backports.org |
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| 04:43.59 | cal | enouf, ts either PCLinuxOS, Debian, or Ubuntu.. |
| 04:44.12 | dacs | i am trying to ping my 2nd NIC eth1 192.168.200.2 from eth0 (192.168.1.100) and i am getting "ping: sendmsg: Operation not permitted" |
| 04:44.13 | cal | has space for one more OS on the HDD |
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| 04:45.13 | enouf | cal: well - we're not really here to 'sell/push' free software ;-) .. it's entirely your choice ;-) do as you like |
| 04:45.36 | cal | enouf, just curious as to what makes some people love it :) |
| 04:45.51 | cal | goes with Debian |
| 04:46.00 | enouf | cal: seen the DFSG? and "/msg dpkg why debian" |
| 04:46.38 | cal | enouf, /me tries |
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| 04:49.00 | cal | enouf, thanks for helping :) |
| 04:50.09 | enouf | np |
| 04:53.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | cal: personally, I just loved apt over what rpm had to offer... well, perhaps 8-10 years ago... I never went back, but I think it's still superior - that would rule out pclinuxos :) |
| 04:53.43 | cal | CutMeOwnThroat, cool :) |
| 04:53.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... pclinuxos is only a livecd - so something that would more compare to knoppix than to debian? |
| 04:54.03 | cal | CutMeOwnThroat, pcoslinux comes with KDE, so I don |
| 04:54.07 | cal | 't want it anyway |
| 04:54.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, but if it's just a live cd, and you want to install it on hd, it's probably the wrong thing, anyways |
| 04:55.12 | WaffleMatt | pclinuxos is more than a livecd.... |
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| 04:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | WaffleMatt: it's just what google told me... so that's why there are all those "if"s - I'm aware I don't know a lot about it |
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| 05:01.04 | irelinquish | peter_12, i got they guy to finally call me after me and a friend spammed his phone manually. and he promised to never mess with me again. so it turned out great |
| 05:01.21 | peter_12 | fantastic |
| 05:01.36 | irelinquish | but lets just see if he holds true |
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| 05:04.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | cal: and for debian vs ubuntu... I never used ubuntu, so I wouldn't know |
| 05:04.57 | cal | CutMeOwnThroat, Ubuntu is best for the newer Linux user, which I'm not |
| 05:05.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno about that |
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| 05:05.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | and.. I guess I didn't stay with Debian because it's the best distribution ever - it was just the first distribution that didn't suck enough to make me want to move on, I guess |
| 05:06.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | like redhat and suse did :) |
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| 05:06.44 | Zoup | is it possible to create openssl cert with null passphrase OR force apache2 to read passphrase from a file,etc ? |
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| 05:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, remind me - you 1st make a certificate and then you use that to sign a key, right? |
| 05:08.41 | Zoup | yes |
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| 05:09.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | so why do you bother about the certificate? You use it exactly once to make the key... after that, apache only uses the key |
| 05:09.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | and never bothers about the certificate |
| 05:09.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | or so I understood |
| 05:09.28 | Zoup | well , apache asks for passphrase on startups |
| 05:09.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 05:09.47 | Zoup | err ... any idea ? |
| 05:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you put a passphrase on the key? |
| 05:10.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | that sounds unusual |
| 05:10.13 | Zoup | yeah , i was forced to , |
| 05:10.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's definitely possible to create such with an empty pass then |
| 05:10.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 05:10.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg only has that |
| 05:10.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | !self-signed ssl key |
| 05:10.44 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 05:11.24 | Zoup | and that have to work automaticaly ? without pass phrase ? |
| 05:11.40 | venger | press enter when asked for it |
| 05:12.09 | venger | i have to ask dpkg for that, once a year |
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| 05:14.32 | Zoup | venger,CutMeOwnThroat,dpkg : Thanks :) |
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| 05:17.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
| 05:18.35 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 05:19.29 | Haris | I want to download the latest stable build from kernel.org that doesn't have any bugs/problems with ip_conntrack or any part of the kernel that iptables/ebtables deal with. Are there any debian patches that I need/can put onto that kernel before I build it? |
| 05:22.59 | keith4__ | .. why don't you just use the debian kernel source? |
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| 05:23.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: my thought... there are debian patches for all kernels that are in debian ... and for those - why kernel.org? |
| 05:24.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and... seems the newest kernel in unstable is 2.6.25 and that's the same as on kernel.org |
| 05:25.06 | Haris | CutMeOwnThroat: because the ones that ship with debian have problems with ip_conntrack. As a result iptables/ebtalbes doesn't work well in transparent proxy mode |
| 05:25.31 | Haris | it stops accepting connections after only a few |
| 05:25.46 | Haris | its not a matter of many, it just randomly stops accepting connections |
| 05:25.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Haris: but there is more than one that is available in the debian repositories |
| 05:25.53 | Haris | many = number of connections |
| 05:26.06 | Haris | CutMeOwnThroat: I could find only 2 |
| 05:26.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | with "the one it ships with" you mean the one you end up with after an install? |
| 05:26.25 | Haris | 2.6.18-5-686 and 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 05:26.33 | Haris | CutMeOwnThroat: yep |
| 05:27.13 | Haris | I need to know a stable kernel version number :p |
| 05:27.38 | keith4__ | is there a backported kernel? |
| 05:27.41 | keith4__ | like, 2.6.24? |
| 05:27.58 | Haris | I don't understand the meaning of the term 'backport' |
| 05:28.08 | keith4__ | !tell Haris about bpo |
| 05:28.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I bet there is |
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| 05:28.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and well, yes, there must be |
| 05:28.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I |
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| 05:29.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | ve never really looked for one |
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| 05:30.10 | Haris | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 05:30.16 | Haris | debian-backports-keyring |
| 05:30.32 | Haris | should I listen to it? I think I should simply ignore it |
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| 05:31.23 | Haris | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 05:31.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !backports key |
| 05:31.50 | dpkg | hmm... backports key is apt-get install debian-backports-keyring |
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| 05:32.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess for the keyring itself you have to ignore it once :) |
| 05:32.15 | Haris | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 05:32.15 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that's not in a different repository |
| 05:32.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which would imo make more sense) |
| 05:33.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a bit like... "open the crate with the crowbar you'll find inside" |
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| 05:34.46 | Haris | is there's an apple or a snake |
| 05:34.50 | Haris | inside |
| 05:34.51 | Haris | lol |
| 05:35.08 | cal | has anyone ever triple booted Debian? |
| 05:35.25 | cal | I'm trying to triple boot WinVista, Fedora 8, and Debian |
| 05:35.58 | Haris | grub should do it. so can third party boot loaders |
| 05:36.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
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| 05:36.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought he meant... winvista runs vmware or somesuch, that runs fedora and that... |
| 05:36.59 | cal | Haris, it can go right into a system with Vista and Fedora with no issues? :S |
| 05:37.03 | cal | s/:S/:D/ |
| 05:37.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure, I ran BeOS next to ... well, not debian at that time and windows |
| 05:37.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | cal: nah, windows will periodically try to erase it ;) |
| 05:37.42 | Haris | Just install any linux distribution, AFTER you'v installed Vista |
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| 05:37.49 | cal | CutMeOwnThroat, it doesn't seem to know i'm running Linux |
| 05:38.01 | cal | it thinks I'm just filling the partitions with files |
| 05:38.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it would, it would throw blue-screens where it complains about patent-issues :-P |
| 05:39.01 | Haris | time to go to office on a weekend :\ |
| 05:39.16 | cal | hmm... |
| 05:39.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | "patent issue in module Debian - send all your money to SCO to be able to continue using this computer" |
| 05:39.23 | Haris | open up a router, check DIMMs, fix kernel issues, install new switch into the cabinet, bla bla |
| 05:39.26 | Haris | life sucks! |
| 05:39.39 | Haris | get the adsl fixed |
| 05:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | nah, imagine the great life we could have without computers |
| 05:39.59 | cal | if I triple booted Vista/Debian/Fedora, it would just be "fedora(...), Other, Debian" on the boot? |
| 05:40.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ploughing the fields from 6 in the morning until you fall over from exhaustion... |
| 05:40.20 | cal | CutMeOwnThroat, we can become Amish :) |
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| 05:40.27 | Haris | If it was me, I'd install Fedora the last |
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| 05:40.34 | Haris | fedora gives boot options during install |
| 05:40.43 | Haris | and it tells you there are other OSs installed |
| 05:40.56 | Haris | Haven't installed debian that many times yet, to be sure |
| 05:41.11 | cal | Haris, would I need to format Fedora and install it after debian? |
| 05:41.55 | keith4__ | they both use grub |
| 05:42.09 | keith4__ | fedora has a prettier boot screen, probably, if that excites you |
| 05:42.26 | cal | nah |
| 05:42.35 | keith4__ | just be sure to do windows not-last, unless you want to have to boot a live CD to re-install grub to the MBR |
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| 05:42.49 | cal | keith4, Windows _came_ installed |
| 05:42.52 | keith4__ | because windows will happily clobber your MBR without any hesitation |
| 05:43.00 | cal | Windows wipes out anything |
| 05:43.12 | cal | like rm -rf / and a nuclear bomb |
| 05:43.20 | keith4__ | nah |
| 05:43.43 | cal | I've always been told it kills mbr and hdd completley |
| 05:43.47 | keith4__ | just whatever partition you put it in, plus the MBR |
| 05:43.50 | keith4__ | you were told wrong |
| 05:43.53 | cal | :< |
| 05:44.21 | Haris | cal: fedora asks you if you want to install boot loader in MBR or in the other place |
| 05:44.22 | Haris | =) |
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| 05:44.38 | cal | Haris, I think I used MBR |
| 05:44.49 | cal | if I remove WIndows I don't plan to put it back... |
| 05:44.49 | keith4__ | most linux distros do that, Haris |
| 05:44.53 | keith4__ | including debian |
| 05:44.56 | Haris | =) |
| 05:45.03 | Haris | bbl have more work to do |
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| 05:54.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it true you can double your internet speed by drilling holes in your cables? |
| 05:54.39 | cal | CutMeOwnThroat, yes |
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| 05:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | cool |
| 05:55.00 | cal | wonders who actually tried that... |
| 05:55.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:55.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess that joke has also seen better times |
| 05:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was when everyone used modem, right? |
| 05:55.31 | cal | yea |
| 05:55.47 | cal | 10 years ago computing was very different than today :D |
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| 05:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think the reasnoning went, that the cirulating air would cool the lines :) |
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| 05:56.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | perfectly reasonable, too |
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| 05:59.27 | enouf | today is more of the same - just much more bloat .. kind of follows the curve of obesity in america :-P |
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| 06:17.09 | enouf | forces: stop that |
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| 07:08.03 | RedEyess | How do I get rid of my problem? wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 |
| 07:08.03 | RedEyess | i get this problem when my computer boots up |
| 07:08.03 | RedEyess | and then it hangs for a while |
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| 07:13.21 | liable | RedEyess: that shouldn't make it hang. thats just dhclient giving that, and i suspect it hangs momentarily waiting to associate and get a lease |
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| 07:14.06 | RedEyess | liable: Ok |
| 07:15.42 | RedEyess | liable: It continues to come up |
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| 07:15.53 | RedEyess | liable: and I want to remove that error |
| 07:15.53 | liable | what do you mean? |
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| 07:16.21 | liable | RedEyess: i dont know how to make it stop doing that. it does it on all my boxes that have master ifaces. |
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| 07:16.35 | Theodor | hey, I disabled root login from sshd.config but I still can use the root account to login. What should I do? |
| 07:16.46 | streuner | RedEyess: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
| 07:16.49 | liable | did you restart sshd? |
| 07:17.09 | Theodor | liable: I believe not. How do I do it please? |
| 07:17.30 | liable | Theodor: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 07:17.44 | liable | or is it openssh-server or something |
| 07:17.49 | Theodor | liable: thanks. It's the init.d that I was looking for. |
| 07:18.05 | liable | np |
| 07:18.08 | streuner | you are also looking for man sshd_config :-) |
| 07:18.28 | streuner | liable: How is life today in .au? :-P |
| 07:18.42 | Theodor | streuner: hehe. I'm currently in a very bad relationship with man. |
| 07:18.44 | Theodor | He's soo mean. |
| 07:19.06 | streuner | !be a man page barbie |
| 07:19.07 | dpkg | Aww, man page is HARD! Let's go shopping, streuner |
| 07:20.02 | RedEyess | i just want to remove the error: wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 |
| 07:20.13 | RedEyess | i just want to remove the error: wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 |
| 07:20.36 | streuner | RedEyess: please don't abuse the enter key too much :-) |
| 07:20.53 | streuner | RedEyess: well, can you answer our questions first? |
| 07:21.32 | Theodor | could someone recommend a quality debian administration book that does not rely on GUIs and stuff? I got Debian bible, but it's shit. |
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| 07:22.24 | liable | agreed the bible is shit. personally i think hanging out and helping in here is one of the best ways to get experience.. |
| 07:22.33 | RedEyess | streuner: Linux version 2.6.24-1-686 (Debian 2.6.24-5) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080308 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-21)) #1 SMP Thu Mar 27 17:45:04 UTC 2008 |
| 07:22.50 | RedEyess | streuner: sorry, I thought my connection was down. |
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| 07:23.05 | Theodor | liable: to some extend perhaps. Don't you agree that reading a book is way more efficient and less time consuming? |
| 07:23.33 | liable | Theodor: its practise that makes perfect though :) |
| 07:23.50 | streuner | yes, look a "Martin Krafft - Debian System" |
| 07:23.52 | Theodor | liable: true. What's practise without understanding what the hell you're doing ;p |
| 07:23.58 | streuner | s/a/at/ |
| 07:24.48 | streuner | RedEyess: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 07:25.19 | liable | streuner: what is the point of this in making dhclient stop giving that error? |
| 07:25.35 | Beerded | Theodor: the latest and greatest stuff is not found in books - go by general Linux/UNIX knowledge and you'll be just fine |
| 07:25.37 | RedEyess | streuner: ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:26.04 | Beerded | Theodor: you mention doing stuff in the shells - so get some good shell books ;) |
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| 07:26.14 | streuner | liable: he's using testing or unstable, wtf should i know? |
| 07:26.30 | Theodor | Beerded: yeah. I recently bought a debian based vps. I want to master debian! |
| 07:26.41 | Theodor | and since it's a vps, everything is done through shell. |
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| 07:26.51 | liable | streuner: dhclient does it across the board with master ifaces. version doesnt make a difference from what i have seen. |
| 07:27.44 | Beerded | Theodor: then know your way around the shells ... I like some old books that are mostly reference .. haven't actually read a UNIX book about shells etc since "UNIX for the impatient", 2nd edition ;) |
| 07:28.10 | Beerded | Theodor: knowing how UNIX networking works too is helpful |
| 07:28.16 | simonrvn | finally joined the late 20th century (?) with a p4 |
| 07:28.32 | Theodor | I don't know why I think books is the way to go. I always have this idea that with books you save time and get a border knowledge about a specific matter |
| 07:28.41 | streuner | simonrvn: heh |
| 07:29.21 | streuner | RedEyess: Are you able to use dhclient at all? |
| 07:29.26 | Beerded | Theodor, well if you know your networking stuff - then you can handle most everything after a while |
| 07:29.52 | streuner | RedEyess: Do you have problems with pump instead? |
| 07:29.58 | RedEyess | streuner: Yes, after logging in and using the gnome network-manager |
| 07:30.05 | Beerded | Theodor, I'm a programmer really - but have also worked as a sysadm ... and I guess that helps |
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| 07:30.39 | streuner | RedEyess: read <sid faq> carefully |
| 07:30.49 | streuner | !+tell RedEyess -about sid faq |
| 07:30.50 | dpkg | told RedEyess about sid faq. |
| 07:30.57 | liable | RedEyess: if you use network manager, you shouldnt see that. is your iface's stanzas commented in interfaces file? |
| 07:31.23 | RedEyess | I have followed this wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi#head-c9ab967d827d9e5de52656b78edab5f349bc70f6 |
| 07:32.02 | Theodor | Beerded: I see. I'm a programmer myself, but I want to be a sysadm as a career. |
| 07:32.22 | RedEyess | there's no reference to wmaster0 in my /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 07:32.36 | Beerded | Theodor: admin and support work is the most stressful job you can have in IT ... |
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| 07:33.10 | Beerded | Theodor: and programmers/developers earn a lot more |
| 07:33.37 | Theodor | Beerded: I really love admin stuff. I'm the kind that likes to read a lot, and I mean A LOT, and I don't limit myself to anything. Sysadmin here I come! |
| 07:33.45 | Beerded | Theodor: but - you should always choose wwhat you love .. yeah ;) |
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| 07:34.54 | Beerded | Theodor: reading and sifting through mailing-lists, forums and seeing interesting solutions is another great way ... |
| 07:35.01 | streuner | !iwlwifi |
| 07:35.01 | dpkg | well, iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets. Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23 (modprobe iwl4965 or iwl3945) and is difficult to get working with kernels < 2.6.21. Firmware provided by the 'firmware-iwlwifi' package (lenny/sid). HOWTO at http://www.nanonanonano.net/linux/debian/iwlwifi or #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net, or <wireless tree> |
| 07:35.48 | Theodor | Oh my god. I have messed up again *Sighs*. I disabled the root account, and I don't remember the password for my second account. |
| 07:35.53 | Theodor | Oh, for crying out loud ... |
| 07:36.32 | Beerded | Theodor: I used to read comp.arch.storage , comp.periphs.scsi and lots of other stuff ... always interesting |
| 07:36.56 | Theodor | noted down. |
| 07:37.09 | Theodor | arch as in archlinux? |
| 07:37.18 | Theodor | I worship that distribution. Simply awesome. |
| 07:38.16 | Beerded | Theodor: ah, no ... computer architecture ;) Hardware related stuff --- you'll get to dig a lot into that as a sysadm - it's a lot about hardware |
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| 07:39.00 | Theodor | ah, I see. |
| 07:39.01 | Beerded | Theodor: e.g getting wasted discs to spin up again .. salvaging data and making backup-routines etc .. |
| 07:39.23 | Beerded | Theodor: calbing and stable energy lines ... hehe, there's a lot to cover |
| 07:39.26 | Theodor | Beerded: hey! don't spoil my future work!! |
| 07:39.36 | Beerded | s/calbing/cabling/ |
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| 07:41.40 | RedEyess | so basically, I should live with the error and not worry about it? |
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| 07:42.27 | Beerded | one tip is to have the hard drive in the freezer for some minutes .. to salvage data .. done that a dozen times myself |
| 07:42.27 | Beerded | another way is to gently swing/oscillate the HD sideways ... |
| 07:42.27 | Beerded | but the best way is having proper backups - and preferrably off site |
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| 07:43.27 | Theodor | Beerded: I've always read about having backups off site and stuff like that |
| 07:43.32 | Theodor | never understood why |
| 07:44.00 | liable | in case your server room burns down? |
| 07:44.05 | Beerded | Theodor: fire, vandalism, terrorism, unfaithful employees ... etc |
| 07:44.40 | Beerded | natural disasters .. and any other possibility |
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| 07:46.21 | Theodor | do these stuff really happen? |
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| 07:46.46 | Bzek | What should I use to encrypt /? |
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| 07:49.09 | boodie | Hi |
| 07:50.23 | liable | hola |
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| 07:54.04 | Jannita | boodie, Hi. |
| 07:54.56 | piko | Hi, is there some way how to save flash movie< |
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| 07:56.44 | boodie | I am stuck with flash, too; no way to access some sites with etch/64bit |
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| 07:57.05 | piko | boodie: and was it working before< |
| 07:57.09 | piko | ? |
| 07:59.24 | piko | boodie: flash works for me under amd64 without problem |
| 07:59.38 | maligor | yeah, with nspluginwrapper |
| 07:59.39 | boodie | No, I never managed to have it working (tried nspluginwrapper ...) |
| 08:00.03 | boodie | nspluginwrapper is not in the official repositories |
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| 08:01.03 | piko | boodie: actually what browser? |
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| 08:01.50 | boodie | firefox |
| 08:02.21 | boodie | which also crashes when encountering flash animations |
| 08:02.26 | maligor | boodie, well, it's in contrib |
| 08:02.32 | maligor | and sid only |
| 08:02.53 | boodie | ah, ok - I have etch installed |
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| 08:04.59 | boodie | My impression is that nspluginwrapper is somehow whimsical and therefore not included in the stable distro |
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| 08:18.59 | pinto3 | hello, i installed the OSS drivers for the XFI sound card and noticed all of my gnome apps and stuff for dealing with sound don't work, it mentions esd, etc - i don't know much about sound software, i just use xmms for the odd mp3 - any ideas how to fix these packages? |
| 08:20.31 | Mazingaro | please I got a problem with ultra10 and debian lenny: X won't work I got this error xf86MapPciMem: Could not map PCI memory [base=0xe2000000,hostbase=0xe2000000,size=2000] (Invalid argument) |
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| 08:23.57 | cahoot | pinto3: 'it mentions ESD' - might be useful what it actually says |
| 08:24.24 | pinto3 | cannot connect to sound daemon. please run esd at a command prompt |
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| 08:26.32 | cahoot | ok did you try to do that? |
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| 08:27.02 | greenmang0 | is there any command to check whether motherboard supports pxeboot or not?? |
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| 08:27.51 | cahoot | greenmang0: tried dmidecode? (no idea if it helps though) |
| 08:28.27 | greenmang0 | cahoot: let me check |
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| 08:30.42 | liable | internets must be getting blocked.. lots of netsplits lately.. |
| 08:30.43 | cahoot | pinto3: also - if you use an OSS driver I suppose you need disable alsa |
| 08:30.48 | pinto3 | yeah, it makes some noise then hangs forever |
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| 08:31.41 | cahoot | liable: blame it on vista upgrades worldwide |
| 08:31.58 | liable | cahoot: SP1 for vista is it? |
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| 08:32.11 | adama | hi, how do I forward X connections to run a gui app on a remote box over SSH thru a gateway? |
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| 08:32.27 | cahoot | liable: no idea - just typing |
| 08:32.40 | Wyzard_ | adama: ssh -X |
| 08:32.48 | liable | cahoot: i blame abrotman. |
| 08:33.11 | Wyzard_ | adama: You can ssh directly to the remote box where you want to run the program, right? |
| 08:33.16 | cahoot | liable: canada? |
| 08:33.17 | Unrealac | Please tell me some channel free shells? |
| 08:33.24 | Unrealac | Please tell me some channel free shells? |
| 08:33.27 | adama | Wyzard_: yes but have to use 2 terminals |
| 08:33.36 | adama | or ssh to the gateway and then ssh again |
| 08:33.36 | Wyzard_ | adama: Use the -X option and it'll automatically set up $DISPLAY to tunnel through the ssh connection |
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| 08:33.51 | hoxu | !lart Unrealac |
| 08:33.52 | dpkg | chops Unrealac in half with a free AOL CD |
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| 08:33.57 | Wyzard_ | adama: If you have to first ssh to the gateway, and then again from the gateway to the real destination, use -X both times |
| 08:34.03 | liable | cahoot: both, it would be better if abrotman was a canuck though :) |
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| 08:34.35 | adama | Wyzard_: do I have to setup something on the Xserver? I've never done this before |
| 08:35.45 | greenmang0 | cahoot: thanks for the command! |
| 08:35.55 | cahoot | it helped? |
| 08:35.58 | piko | greenmang0: not sure, is the pxeboot shown in hwinfo? |
| 08:36.01 | Unrealac | Please tell me some channel free shells? |
| 08:36.02 | Unrealac | please |
| 08:36.04 | Unrealac | tell me |
| 08:36.20 | greenmang0 | piko: let me check ... |
| 08:36.34 | hoxu | !ops Unrealac repeat-spamming |
| 08:36.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: Unrealac repeat-spamming |
| 08:36.35 | Wyzard_ | adama: You need to have "X11Forwarding yes" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the machine(s) you're ssh'ing to (the gateway and the destination machine behind it) |
| 08:36.47 | Wyzard_ | adama: and both need to have the "xbase-clients" package installed too (for the "xauth" program) |
| 08:36.51 | simonrvn | Unrealac: STFU script kiddie |
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| 08:37.00 | Wyzard_ | Unrealac: If you want shells, go to the beach |
| 08:37.11 | liable | hah |
| 08:37.19 | simonrvn | Wyzard_++ |
| 08:37.23 | hoxu | hrhr |
| 08:37.53 | hoxu | Unrealac, now scram, or we'll set simonrvn free from the shackles :P |
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| 08:38.00 | hoxu | ha, it worked ! |
| 08:38.08 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 08:40.06 | dpkg | <TheCrazedLog> So anyone got any pearls of wisdom they care to pass on? <TheCrazedLog> that are relevant to my problem =P <sussudio> don't eat the yellow snow |
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| 08:45.20 | Haris1 | I have 2 kernels installed on etch r2, 2.6.18-5-686 and 2.6.18-6-686 both are present in /boot ..yet on the grub boot menu, when I change the parameters, for the older kernel to newer ones, it says file not found. I can see those files with the same permissions as their counterpart's but on the boot menu, grub can't find them. wth? |
| 08:46.21 | Haris1 | This is not the first package with which I'v had this 'gotcha' , *laugh* |
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| 08:46.53 | greenmang0 | piko: http://abhishek.unixpod.com/more-pages/hwinfo.txt |
| 08:46.56 | adama | Wyzard_: I don't want to install all these X libs and whatnot on the gateway. Can I do it with a -L switch on the first connection, then 'ssh -X localhost' ? |
| 08:46.58 | Haris1 | etch is proving to be a release of .. buggy software ? :p |
| 08:46.59 | Wyzard_ | Haris: both kernels should show up in the boot menu already |
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| 08:47.21 | Haris1 | Wyzard_: That's why I had my eyes wide open, because it doesn't :( |
| 08:47.41 | Haris1 | they are both listed at the end of /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:47.48 | Haris1 | yet only the default two are displayed |
| 08:48.07 | Wyzard_ | adama: You could do it that way, but then you end up with another machine's public key under "localhost" in your known_hosts file |
| 08:48.27 | Wyzard_ | adama: which can cause problems/confusion if you later try to use the same trick to tunnel to some *other* machine, or actual ssh to localhost |
| 08:49.07 | adama | Wyzard_: well I could fix that when I'm done |
| 08:49.35 | Haris1 | I find myself creating/visualizing scenarios' in which it could do this, but nothing makes sense |
| 08:49.36 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: "update-grub" is the program that regenerates the kernel list in the grub menu... it's normally run automatically when you install a kernel package, but you might've configured it not to |
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| 08:49.49 | Haris1 | Wyzard_: I'v run it 2 times myself |
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| 08:50.05 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: Exactly what kernel options are in your menu.lst? |
| 08:50.17 | Haris1 | pasting.. |
| 08:51.13 | simonrvn | ever edited it by hand? |
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| 08:51.55 | Haris1 | Wyzard_: -> http://pastebin.ca/989385 |
| 08:51.57 | Haris1 | yep |
| 08:51.59 | simonrvn | is thinking of this sort of stuff: ### BEGIN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST |
| 08:52.01 | Haris1 | tried that |
| 08:52.19 | Haris1 | maybe I'm listing my kernels in the wrong section of the file |
| 08:52.21 | Wyzard_ | Haris: You have entires there for both -6 and -5 |
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| 08:52.56 | Haris1 | that happened to me once with scalix |
| 08:53.03 | Haris1 | Wyzard_: yep |
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| 08:53.15 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: so what's the problem you're trying to fix? |
| 08:53.38 | adama | Wyzard_: what port would I forward with -L? |
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| 08:54.00 | Haris1 | Wyzard_: I'm trying to get rid of the default kernel, because it has problems with ip_contrack. iptables doesn't run well for transparent proxying |
| 08:54.04 | Haris1 | run=work |
| 08:54.30 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: "the default" kernel being specifically which kernel? |
| 08:54.31 | Haris1 | ip_conntrack |
| 08:54.47 | Haris1 | 2.6.18-5-686 <- which comes with etch r2 out of the box |
| 08:55.02 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: then uninstall the linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 package |
| 08:55.10 | Haris1 | hmm |
| 08:55.19 | Haris1 | that would render the box un-bootable |
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| 08:55.28 | Wyzard_ | No, because you still have 2.6.18-6 |
| 08:55.41 | Haris1 | for that it says, can't find the file :( |
| 08:56.19 | Wyzard_ | Does /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 exist? |
| 08:56.28 | Wyzard_ | as an actual file (and not, say, a dangling symlink or something) |
| 08:56.30 | Haris1 | yep |
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| 08:56.51 | Haris1 | dpkg -l "*linux-image*" doesn't list -5-686 |
| 08:56.51 | dpkg | No packages found matching "*linux-image*" doesn't list -5-686 |
| 08:57.08 | adama | Wyzard_: I got it! nananananananananananananana batman |
| 08:57.15 | Haris1 | it does list 6-686 |
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| 08:57.17 | Haris1 | however |
| 08:57.35 | Haris1 | oops |
| 08:57.36 | Haris1 | sorry |
| 08:57.40 | Haris1 | it does! list it |
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| 08:58.24 | Haris1 | http://pastebin.ca/989387 |
| 08:58.39 | Haris1 | I think I have 3 kernel packages installed |
| 08:58.54 | Wyzard_ | You do, and that's fine |
| 08:59.08 | Wyzard_ | Well, four, actually |
| 08:59.11 | Haris1 | actually, that's 4 |
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| 08:59.32 | Wyzard_ | linux-image-2.6.18-686 is a metapackage that pulls in the latest actual kernel package (currently 2.6.18-6, but if 2.6.18-7 were released, that's how you'd get it) |
| 08:59.32 | Haris1 | You can see, I tried too hard :p |
| 08:59.58 | Wyzard_ | linux-image-686 is another metapackage, which I guess would serve to automatically pull in a 2.8 kernel if one were ever released |
| 09:00.07 | Wyzard_ | It's normal and appropriate to have those |
| 09:00.13 | WormFood | how in the fuck do I get evolution to give me more information about what errors it encounters? The piece of shit just stops and tells me nothing |
| 09:00.36 | Maulkin | Run 'strace' |
| 09:00.46 | WormFood | that is a little excessive |
| 09:00.48 | Maulkin | Now be more precise or fuck right off |
| 09:00.49 | Haris1 | I have 2 showing up in /boot and not the other two -> http://pastebin.ca/989388 |
| 09:01.01 | WormFood | I don't want to sort through 20 megs of strace messages |
| 09:01.19 | Maulkin | Then use grep. |
| 09:01.19 | WormFood | it does not tell me anything, it just says it gets an error checking my mail |
| 09:01.22 | Haris1 | I made a copy of the new in /boot/new |
| 09:01.30 | Wyzard_ | right, because the other two are metapackages and don't actually contain kernels (they just pull in kernel packages like linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 as dependencies) |
| 09:01.39 | Haris1 | ah, ok |
| 09:01.43 | Wyzard_ | Your /boot looks OK |
| 09:02.02 | WormFood | that is all it tells me....I don't know what to check if I can't get better error messages....I opened the debug window in eviloution, but it tells me nothing as well |
| 09:02.06 | Wyzard_ | GRUB is telling you that /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 does not exist? |
| 09:02.15 | Haris1 | yep |
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| 09:02.35 | Maulkin | What is the EXAC?T error message? |
| 09:02.39 | Wyzard_ | What does "md5sum /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686" say? |
| 09:02.44 | WormFood | "error while refreshing folder" |
| 09:02.56 | Wyzard_ | and is your /boot on a separate partition? |
| 09:03.08 | Maulkin | Right. Now how are you connected? |
| 09:03.09 | Haris1 | there was this silly bug with samba a while back, when I first installed samba. When I mount a share, it wouldn't umount it. Its fixed now, but that was an eye opener |
| 09:03.10 | Haris1 | lol |
| 09:03.32 | WormFood | I'm trying to use imap |
| 09:03.34 | Haris1 | bd03f884a895e2f9564d4e6bf94d08aa /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 09:03.34 | ak2000 | hi, can i ask a unixodbc question? |
| 09:03.42 | ak2000 | is desperate |
| 09:04.00 | Maulkin | WormFood: And what does the output of tcpdump say is happening? |
| 09:04.08 | WormFood | I'm sure there is something wrong with my imap server, but I have checked and double checked everything with the server, and it appears to be ok.....BUT, without better error messages, I can't really tell |
| 09:04.16 | WormFood | Maulkin, it shouldn't say much, because it is over ssl |
| 09:04.47 | Maulkin | Then what's in the server logs? |
| 09:04.54 | WormFood | I just need to see real error messages so I know what to test next |
| 09:05.45 | ak2000 | looking for help on a very simple question |
| 09:05.57 | Haris1 | ak2000: Ask the Q and wait for an answer. Don't ask to ask |
| 09:06.06 | WormFood | the server logs show nothing |
| 09:06.09 | ak2000 | sorry |
| 09:06.12 | WormFood | it acts like it is not connecting at all |
| 09:06.47 | ak2000 | apt-get install libmyodbc does not give me the mysql driver i needs |
| 09:06.51 | Maulkin | In a terminal, run "CAMEL_DEBUG=1 evolution" |
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| 09:07.13 | ak2000 | i did it before in my other box a while ago, i got it work, but this time I am only installing client not the server on the new box |
| 09:07.29 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: I can't think of a good reason why grub would say that file doesn't exist, then |
| 09:07.39 | ak2000 | even locate libmyodbc can't find anything |
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| 09:08.03 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: I'd run fsck to make sure it isn't filesystem corruption of some sort, and check that grub is looking at the correct /boot partition (and not, say, a leftover /boot from some other installation that never had 2.6.18-6 installed on it) |
| 09:08.14 | WormFood | thanks Maulkin, that is what I needed to know |
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| 09:08.19 | joel_ | does anyone know why xorg is only detecting my 42 inch hdtv as a monitor and not detecting my monitor as a monitor? |
| 09:08.24 | WormFood | it is telling me the server is rejecting the connection |
| 09:08.31 | WormFood | why the hell can't it tell me that in the GUI? |
| 09:08.56 | ak2000 | any idea why odb driver can't install? |
| 09:09.19 | ak2000 | getting this error: Can't open lib '/usr/lib/odbc/libmyodbc3_r-3.51.11.so' |
| 09:09.27 | cahoot | joel_: xrandr -q doesn't show your monitor? |
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| 09:09.36 | Maulkin | WormFood: I'd suggest looking at google next time then. It took me about 2 minutes to find that snippet |
| 09:10.04 | WormFood | why the hell do they feel the need to hide that info? |
| 09:10.07 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/libmyodbc/filelist shows that the driver is /usr/lib/odbc/libmyodbc.so |
| 09:10.18 | WormFood | It defies logic |
| 09:10.22 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: What do you have that's expecting a /usr/lib/odbc/libmyodbc3_r-3.51.11.so ? |
| 09:10.34 | damnnazi | im reading in man useradd for the option --password PASSWORD: The encrypted password, as returned by crypt(3). |
| 09:10.35 | joel_ | nope cahoot |
| 09:10.42 | damnnazi | but there is no crypt |
| 09:10.53 | ak2000 | wyyzard: isql -v |
| 09:10.54 | damnnazi | how come there is no crypt ? |
| 09:10.56 | Maulkin | WormFood: go complain at the evolution people |
| 09:10.59 | xingu | damnnazi: manpages-dev |
| 09:11.07 | ak2000 | wyyzard: trying to connect to a remote db on another box |
| 09:11.22 | damnnazi | xingu: WHERE is crypt im asking you |
| 09:11.32 | xingu | damnnazi: in libc |
| 09:11.36 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: isql in the Debian packaged unixodbc? |
| 09:11.43 | ak2000 | wyyzard: yes |
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| 09:11.55 | damnnazi | xingu: ah |
| 09:11.59 | ak2000 | wyzard: i apt-get install libmyodbc, no help |
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| 09:12.19 | ak2000 | so desperated |
| 09:12.21 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: That's because isql is looking for the wrong thing |
| 09:12.21 | damnnazi | crypt is a c routine |
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| 09:12.39 | xingu | damnnazi: exactly; the clue's the section; man section (3) is libc... |
| 09:12.44 | ak2000 | wyzard: what should i put in as the driver? |
| 09:12.50 | Haris1 | Wyzard_: I'm going to file a bug report |
| 09:13.02 | ak2000 | wyzard: i am not sure if the driver is not installed or the location is wrong |
| 09:13.04 | damnnazi | xingu: thnks |
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| 09:13.19 | ak2000 | wyyzard: but I did "locate libmyodbc" and nothing comes up |
| 09:13.21 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: The myodbc driver is /usr/lib/odbc/libmyodbc.so |
| 09:13.27 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: Does that file exist on your system? |
| 09:13.32 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: a bug report for what? |
| 09:13.42 | Haris1 | Wyzard_: for this file not found error |
| 09:13.50 | joel_ | i have the television and the monitor, the monitor works and shows console fairly well, but when i bring up x there are only colored blocks that resemble old dos style application but they change depending on what's going on on the tv |
| 09:13.50 | ak2000 | wyzard: that file is not there |
| 09:14.07 | ak2000 | wyzard: that was why i was so frustrated |
| 09:14.11 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: You don't have enough information to file a useful bug report, and you don't even know yet whether it's a bug, or a problem specific to your system |
| 09:14.43 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: You currently have the libmyodbc package installed, right? |
| 09:15.00 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: Run "dpkg -L libmyodbc" and compare the output against http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/libmyodbc/filelist |
| 09:15.08 | ak2000 | wyzard: i installed it but don't see the libmyodbc dir |
| 09:15.26 | joel_ | and i'm assuming what xrandr is showing is not a monitor but the tv, i would assume that it should show two entries one for tv and one for monitor |
| 09:15.33 | WormFood | this is VERY frustrating.....I can connect to the server on the right port with telnet, why the hell won't evolution work now? It was working before |
| 09:15.41 | cahoot | joel_: already digested this? http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce |
| 09:15.45 | ak2000 | wyzard:Package `libmyodbc' does not contain any files (!) |
| 09:15.50 | ak2000 | wyzard: so weird |
| 09:15.51 | WormFood | what is a better imap client than evolution? |
| 09:16.01 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: sounds like your installation is broken |
| 09:16.11 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: Purge it and install it again |
| 09:16.16 | ak2000 | wyzard: how to fix the installation? |
| 09:16.20 | Haris1 | Wyzard_: Well, what proof do I need ? |
| 09:16.27 | ak2000 | wyzard: so i do apt-get purge libmyodbc? |
| 09:16.34 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: and consider running fsck and/or investigating further, because things like that shouldn't happen |
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| 09:17.17 | ak2000 | wyzard: i tried apt-get remove and then apt-get install but no help |
| 09:17.20 | joel_ | not at current, as i have tried googling to no avail, didnt stumble across that one |
| 09:17.37 | ak2000 | wyzard: i purge it, should I install it again the libmyodbc package? |
| 09:17.44 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: That's what I'd try |
| 09:17.47 | dutchfish | libmyodbc is not empty it will install 7 files |
| 09:18.10 | joel_ | ty for the link though, will be reading for a bit, brb cahoot |
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| 09:18.19 | henr1 | Hello everybody, I installed splashy on my computer and it works fine, but I would like one little improvement : (that I saw yesterday in Fedora), is it possible to have the progress bar whith a GTK style ? |
| 09:18.20 | Haris1 | Forwarded bugs -- Important bugs (1 bug) |
| 09:18.21 | Haris1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:18.32 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: Did you see my suggestions from a few minutes ago? |
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| 09:18.52 | Haris1 | Wyzard_: Please tell me again |
| 09:19.29 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: Run fsck to make sure the filesystem containing your /boot isn't corrupted somehow, and make sure grub is actually looking at the correct partition (maybe you have some other partition with a /boot directory left over from an old installation or something) |
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| 09:19.59 | Haris1 | Nope |
| 09:20.03 | Haris1 | This is a /dev/md0 partition |
| 09:20.05 | ak2000 | wyzard: hey it works |
| 09:20.10 | ak2000 | wyzard: thank you so much |
| 09:20.12 | joel_ | cahoot, i've hacked out xorg.conf files in slackware, but i'm like a 1 week old debian n00b |
| 09:20.13 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: What RAID level is /dev/md0? |
| 09:20.19 | Haris1 | its not possible there was something left, because this was formatted when I installed etchr2 |
| 09:20.25 | pumpkin0 | i have a bunch of rpm's and i want a list of the files inside. I do _not_ want to install them, just list the files. Any ideas ? |
| 09:20.28 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: RAID-1, or something else? |
| 09:20.29 | Haris1 | 0 |
| 09:20.33 | Haris1 | disk mirroring |
| 09:20.46 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: RAID-0 is striping, not mirroring |
| 09:20.48 | Haris1 | and the raid array is in perfect health |
| 09:20.50 | cahoot | joel_: nice to feel reborn I guess ;) |
| 09:20.54 | ak2000 | wyzard: one more quick question, what does fileusage for odbc driver means? |
| 09:20.54 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: and grub indeed won't work with that |
| 09:20.58 | Haris1 | sorry, raid0+1 |
| 09:21.05 | Haris1 | well, that's my point |
| 09:21.12 | Haris1 | it finds the other image, but not the newer one |
| 09:21.16 | pumpkin0 | Haris1: you need 4 discs for that ? |
| 09:21.26 | Haris1 | pumpkin0: 4 discs? |
| 09:21.30 | Haris1 | pumpkin0: for what? |
| 09:21.31 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: The only type of software RAID that grub can understand is plain RAID-1... anything else is a corrupted filesystem from grub's perspective |
| 09:21.37 | joel_ | cahoot, kinda embarassing really lol |
| 09:21.43 | Wyzard_ | ak2000: no idea; I don't use ODBC |
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| 09:21.56 | ak2000 | wyzard: ok thanks |
| 09:21.57 | pumpkin0 | Haris1: for RAID 0 + 1 you need 4 partitions, block devices,... 4 anythings. Are you sure ? |
| 09:21.59 | Haris1 | Wyzard_: I saw the bug that' already filed for that |
| 09:22.01 | bartwe | that is because a single disk in a raid 1 can be used to boot |
| 09:22.09 | Haris1 | I have 2 discks |
| 09:22.12 | Haris1 | discs |
| 09:22.19 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: grub 2.x supports Linux software RAID, but that's not in etch and is still in beta anyway |
| 09:22.40 | pumpkin0 | Haris1: it makes no sense to build a RAID 0 + 1 on 2 discs. |
| 09:22.55 | Haris1 | http://pastebin.ca/989399 |
| 09:22.59 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: grub 1.x doesn't know anything about RAID, but happens to work on RAID-1 because individual disks in a RAID-1 look like ordinary standalone disks |
| 09:23.02 | dutchfish | Haris1, you cant do raid 10 with 2 discs |
| 09:23.24 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: That's not an array in "perfect health" |
| 09:23.36 | Wyzard_ | That's a raid1 (not 0+1) that's out-of-sync |
| 09:23.36 | Haris1 | hmm |
| 09:23.46 | Haris1 | Fixing it |
| 09:23.53 | Wyzard_ | Most likely the disk that's outdated is the one grub is looking at |
| 09:24.11 | pumpkin0 | Haris1: or the disc died. |
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| 09:24.22 | WormFood | I hate evolution...is there a better imap client available? (I'm running sid) |
| 09:24.28 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: mutt |
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| 09:24.52 | dondelelcaro | (mutt or gnus are pretty much the only clients worth talking about) |
| 09:25.17 | Haris1 | pumpkin0: The box is up. Its no where near dead |
| 09:25.45 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: Well, the whole point of RAID-1 is that the system can continue working even if one of the disks dies |
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| 09:26.50 | Haris1 | Yep |
| 09:26.50 | Wyzard_ | but regardless of whether it's physically defective or not, you're running with only one of your drives in-use, and the other idle with its contents out-of-date |
| 09:27.21 | Wyzard_ | and this probably happened before you installed the 2.6.18-6 kernel |
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| 09:27.40 | Wyzard_ | so grub is looking at the other drive (sda1, presumably) that only has 2.6.18-5 |
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| 09:28.21 | Haris1 | I'v rebooted multiple times in the last few days |
| 09:28.27 | Haris1 | It should'v sync'd the hard drives |
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| 09:28.34 | Inktjet | Does anyone know how I can set up a netcat server shell for windows (same like ssh based on linux) ? |
| 09:28.36 | Haris1 | I'm not sure why it hasn't |
| 09:28.41 | Inktjet | or which would be best for that? |
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| 09:28.51 | Haris1 | that's the last step before it reboots |
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| 09:29.26 | DawnLight | can i mount stuff when i have a ro root filesystem? |
| 09:29.28 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: That "syncing" message you see when you shut down is something different |
| 09:29.34 | pumpkin0 | Inktjet: what the h**l are you up to? |
| 09:29.38 | dutchfish | DawnLight, yes |
| 09:29.53 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: That's basically just preparing to "unmount" the array |
| 09:29.54 | Inktjet | pumpkin0: why? |
| 09:30.02 | DawnLight | dutchfish: how? |
| 09:30.05 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: If a drive drops out of your array, you have to add it back manually |
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| 09:30.18 | pumpkin0 | Inktjet: i don't see the point in setting uo a netcat server on windows ... |
| 09:30.34 | dutchfish | DawnLight, you can mount as uasual, but not rw inside a ro |
| 09:30.47 | DawnLight | ah thanks |
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| 09:31.48 | pumpkin0 | DawnLight: Add -n if the /etc is ro too. |
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| 09:32.57 | riddicule | Hello all. Can anyone recommend a good guide for OpenVPN setup for a debian -> Windows connection ? |
| 09:33.44 | DawnLight | where can i get debootstrap not as a package? |
| 09:34.14 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: why? it's just an ar archive with tarballs inside |
| 09:34.27 | Haris1 | That's another nightly crontab job I need to setup. I'll set it up |
| 09:34.38 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: What is? |
| 09:34.44 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: so how do i get the script from the package? |
| 09:34.54 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: which script do you want to know about? |
| 09:34.55 | dutchfish | riddicule, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/35 |
| 09:35.19 | Haris1 | disk sync |
| 09:35.24 | riddicule | Wicked, thank you so much! |
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| 09:36.02 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: i need to install debian using debootstrap but i am in a ro environment and don't have debootstrap installed. it is a machine that has booted as an LTSP client |
| 09:36.03 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: When the array is working normally, it keeps the disks in sync constantly; that's not something you'd do with cron |
| 09:36.15 | Haris1 | makes sense |
| 09:36.23 | Haris1 | but its software, not hardware |
| 09:36.38 | Haris1 | where can I point a finger for this? |
| 09:36.41 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: well, if you can write somewhere, you can use dpkg-deb -x debootstrap*.deb; or use a combination of ar and tar to pull it out |
| 09:37.21 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: Right now, for some reason or another, the RAID driver has kicked sda1 out of your array because it's considered "failed" |
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| 09:37.54 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: That could mean that the actual hardware errors were encountered while doing I/O on it |
| 09:38.42 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: or it could mean you have a bad IDE or SATA cable, or something else like an overheating-related temporary malfunction |
| 09:39.31 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: You should look into the reason why sda1 was dropped from your array, make sure it's safe to add it back, and then add it back |
| 09:39.54 | Haris1 | both are scsi hard drives |
| 09:40.04 | Haris1 | this is a small server room with its own A/C unit |
| 09:40.07 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: at which point the RAID driver will automatically resynchronize it (this involves copying the entire contents of sdb1 over to sda1) and keep it in sync henceforth |
| 09:40.11 | Haris1 | that works regardless |
| 09:40.12 | Wyzard_ | ok, then SCSI cable |
| 09:40.27 | Wyzard_ | The point is, your array is degraded and you should fix it |
| 09:40.53 | Haris1 | Yes, I'm attempting that |
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| 09:41.04 | dondelelcaro | dmesg usually will clue you in as to what it think failed |
| 09:41.31 | Wyzard_ | well, it happened at least a few reboots ago, so it's too late for dmesg |
| 09:41.35 | Haris1 | dondelelcaro: already looking into it |
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| 09:41.46 | Wyzard_ | syslog would have info, unless it was so long ago that the logs were rotated out of existence |
| 09:42.54 | Haris1 | RAID errors 1 disks have failed |
| 09:42.55 | Haris1 | RAID status clean, degraded |
| 09:43.05 | dondelelcaro | 21121/away dead |
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| 09:43.26 | Haris1 | software raid just doesn't kick a disk out of the array, does it? |
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| 09:43.40 | Wyzard_ | AFAIK it only happens in response to some sort of communication error |
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| 09:43.49 | Haris1 | RAID status clean, degraded, recovering |
| 09:43.49 | Haris1 | Rebuilding progress 2 % |
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| 09:44.04 | Wyzard_ | though communication errors can be transient |
| 09:44.15 | Haris1 | hd0,0 is /dev/sda1 right? |
| 09:44.30 | Haris1 | maybe that is why it couldn't find the file, because the box is running off of /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:44.32 | Wyzard_ | I've seen a drive get kicked out of a RAID-5 because it stopped responding to commands for a few seconds, even though it "came back" afterward |
| 09:44.46 | Haris1 | in absense of the other, from the array |
| 09:44.46 | mark_s | hi all, since the last update our office server (debian 4) doesn't forwared the mails to my www mail accont. In /var/log/exim4/mainlog it says: R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost defer (0): bad base 64 string in challenge: CRAM-MD5. I googled but couldn't find anything. Can someone pleas give me a hint?? |
| 09:45.13 | Haris1 | this happened once before |
| 09:45.19 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: exactly: the contents of /dev/sda1 are out-of-date, from sometime before you installed the newer kernel |
| 09:46.09 | Haris1 | 14% |
| 09:46.44 | Wyzard_ | I'd recommend doing an integrity check of sda before adding it back to the array, in case the disk actually is going bad |
| 09:47.12 | Haris1 | Good idea |
| 09:47.46 | Wyzard_ | You can --fail it with mdadm to stop the rebuild, then use "smartctl -t long" to run its internal surface scan |
| 09:48.06 | Wyzard_ | and check back later with "smartctl -l selftest" to see the results |
| 09:49.08 | Haris1 | running shutdown -r -F -t 1 now |
| 09:49.26 | Wyzard_ | That won't accomplish what you want |
| 09:49.29 | mark_s | does nobdy know what "bad base 64 string in challenge: CRAM-MD5" means? |
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| 09:50.02 | Wyzard_ | That'll run fsck on the filesystem in /dev/md0, which has nothing to do with /dev/sda because the array consists only of /dev/sdb right now |
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| 09:50.27 | Wyzard_ | You want to check /dev/sda for physical disk problems that could lead to data corruption if the disk were put back into use |
| 09:51.26 | Wyzard_ | The way to do that is to either download the drive manufacturer's diagnostic tool (typically a bootable CD or floppy) and use that to scan the drive, or use smartctl to run the drive's self-test procedure (which is probably what the manufacturer's tool would have done anyway) |
| 09:51.46 | Wyzard_ | The latter option has the advantage that you don't have to shut down the system |
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| 09:53.20 | ManuP | how do i upgrade to testing? |
| 09:53.37 | hoxu | !tell ManuP about etch->lenny |
| 09:54.04 | ManuP | hoxu, i want from testing-> experimental not from staple -> testing |
| 09:54.09 | pngwn | !tell ManuP -about etch->lenny |
| 09:55.21 | ManuP | so what is the name of the experimental version of debian at the moment? |
| 09:55.35 | Jannita | ManuP, Sid. |
| 09:55.39 | hoxu | you probably mean unstable, it's always called sid, and no, you don't want to use it |
| 09:55.48 | blubberdiblub | if you have to ask, you probably don't want it |
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| 09:56.38 | Haris1 | don't have smartctl |
| 09:57.02 | ManuP | i will set up my system today. so i wanna have "some fun" with the old version of debian running on it. if it crashes, i dont care :) going to format all partitions anyway ^^ |
| 09:57.02 | hoxu | !installit |
| 09:57.02 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 09:57.10 | Haris1 | its part of munin? |
| 09:57.15 | blubberdiblub | !sid |
| 09:57.15 | dpkg | methinks sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 09:58.04 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: It's in the "smartmontools" package |
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| 09:58.26 | Haris1 | smartmontools |
| 09:58.35 | Haris1 | yes, installing it |
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| 09:59.38 | dutchfish | hi, i want to use incron. By default its use is not permitted by root. Is it considered a security issue to remove /etc/incron.allow to enable root? and if so, why? |
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| 10:00.50 | Haris1 | I ran smartctl -t long /dev/sda1. How do I watch it? |
| 10:00.57 | Haris1 | it says, it'll take around 34mins. |
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| 10:01.24 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: "smartctl -l selftest" will show you the drive's self-test log |
| 10:01.29 | osib | !dpkg tell osib about linux |
| 10:01.41 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: Right now it's still in progress, but 34 minutes from now it should hopefully say "completed without error" |
| 10:01.50 | osib | !tell osib about linux |
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| 10:02.05 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: The 34 is a minimum time under ideal conditions, so you might need to wait a bit longer |
| 10:02.25 | Haris1 | well, it doesn't show real time report :p |
| 10:02.40 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: (You can do this on a drive that's actively in-use by the system, btw, but in that case it takes *much* longer) |
| 10:03.03 | Haris1 | well, that partitions is not used other than in the array |
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| 10:03.07 | Haris1 | partition+ |
| 10:03.34 | Haris1 | I guess, I'll get to fixing other things while it works |
| 10:04.14 | iateadonut | !tell iateadonut about linux |
| 10:04.19 | Haris1 | hmm, where does it keep its log? |
| 10:04.34 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: The self-test log is kept within the drive itself |
| 10:04.42 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: All the SMART stuff is implemented in the drive's firmware |
| 10:05.03 | Haris1 | I guess, I'll have to wait untill its part of the array again, lol |
| 10:05.16 | Wyzard_ | What do you mean? |
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| 10:05.27 | Wyzard_ | I'm not talking about a file in the filesystem |
| 10:05.40 | Mazingaro | hi please how can i reconfigure the keyboard layout? |
| 10:05.42 | osib | ok, what a heck!? |
| 10:05.43 | Haris1 | well, if its kept in /dev/sda1 somewhere, its not mounted and it won't be usable untill it is put back in the array |
| 10:05.46 | osib | !stallman |
| 10:05.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, stallman is an arrogant self-serving hypocritical closed-minded wanker, or rms, or ask me abour rms |
| 10:05.51 | osib | see? |
| 10:06.05 | Wyzard_ | The SMART self-test log isn't a file |
| 10:06.06 | osib | someone was so mad, he misspelled about |
| 10:06.14 | Haris1 | ah, so how do I get to know the outcome of the test? |
| 10:06.15 | osib | wth? |
| 10:06.24 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: Run "smartctl -l selftest" on the drive now |
| 10:06.26 | hoxu | osib, do you have a question? |
| 10:06.26 | osib | closed-minded!? |
| 10:06.29 | iateadonut | why does it say "linux is closed" when you ask it about linux? |
| 10:06.39 | osib | yeah, why is this an answer to "stallman" |
| 10:06.50 | Haris1 | it says, its in progress |
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| 10:06.58 | osib | i think dpkg needs update |
| 10:07.03 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: That's the current contents of the self-test log |
| 10:07.07 | Haris1 | ok, wait is the word |
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| 10:07.16 | Haris1 | bbl in 40mins. |
| 10:07.18 | Haris1 | =) |
| 10:07.19 | Wyzard_ | Haris1: smartctl sends a special command to the drive, and the drive sends that back in response |
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| 10:09.38 | Wyzard_ | goes to bed |
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| 10:16.31 | Mazingaro | hi please how can I reconfigure the keyboard layout? |
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| 10:19.08 | Ponny | Mazingaro, there was something like dgpk-reconfigure location... but i am not sure how the packages name was |
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| 10:19.21 | Mazingaro | Ponny: ;( |
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| 10:20.05 | keyvision | you can try: loadkeys LAYOUT_CODE |
| 10:20.20 | keyvision | for example loadkeys en |
| 10:20.50 | Ponny | Mazingaro, try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 10:21.03 | Mazingaro | Ponny: no keyboard |
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| 10:21.34 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: X or console? |
| 10:21.55 | Ponny | Mazingaro, for X you can try to reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:22.11 | Mazingaro | jelly: console |
| 10:22.14 | tarkus | any idea why im getting this error when trying to add a new user? http://dpaste.com/45783/ |
| 10:22.27 | Mazingaro | jelly: I don't remember the dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 10:22.29 | Mazingaro | procedure |
| 10:22.30 | tarkus | its a fresh 4.0 install |
| 10:22.42 | Ork | Mazingaro: kbd-config |
| 10:22.50 | Mazingaro | Ork: thanks |
| 10:23.03 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: console-data is the one, |
| 10:23.10 | Mazingaro | jelly: yeah! thanks |
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| 10:23.31 | jelly-home | heh, kbd-config does "/usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure console-data" |
| 10:23.43 | jelly-home | !win Ork |
| 10:23.44 | dpkg | Congratulations, Ork! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
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| 10:24.35 | Ork | dpkg: I'm waiting for that.. |
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| 10:25.02 | jelly-home | dpkg: you suck. |
| 10:25.02 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 10:25.34 | Ork | anyway kbd works almost everywhere |
| 10:25.40 | Ork | i said kbd-config |
| 10:25.48 | Ork | because it's in debian |
| 10:26.39 | jelly-home | Meh. *dpkg* will not delete 'cmd: configure (.*?)', count > limit (104 > 100) use 'no, ' instead. |
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| 10:27.40 | tarkus | any idea why im getting this error when trying to add a new user? its a completely fresh debian etch install: http://dpaste.com/45783/ |
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| 10:30.25 | Mazingaro | arrgggg |
| 10:30.57 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: my keyboard is totally wrong (sparc type 6 english) I could not enter the root password :( |
| 10:31.02 | tarkus | i actually get these perl and locale warnings on everything i do.. |
| 10:31.04 | tarkus | any ideas? |
| 10:31.30 | Mazingaro | jelly: no ssh and telnet :( |
| 10:31.38 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: : no ssh and telnet :( |
| 10:31.54 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: is there a way to force keyboard from silo prompt? |
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| 10:32.49 | Ork | tarkus: warnigs are a concern, the error comes become you miss to write the username to add |
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| 10:32.56 | Ork | sorry, are not a concern |
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| 10:37.13 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: which debian release? On 2.6 kernels, you should just use the kernel keyboard or a PC one. |
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| 10:37.36 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: lenny on ultra 10 |
| 10:37.38 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: I haven't used sparc for a while, no idea about silo |
| 10:38.01 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: could not login |
| 10:38.03 | Haris1 | output from smarctl => http://pastebin.ca/989441 |
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| 10:39.48 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: hm. from silo, boot with init=/bin/sh parameter? |
| 10:40.10 | tuntun | how can I drag a selection rectangle in nuatilus? |
| 10:40.16 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: ??? |
| 10:40.17 | Haris1 | smartctl output so far doesn't tell me anything |
| 10:40.38 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: or boot from a cd... then mount your installation somewhere, chroot to it and change the keyboard settings |
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| 10:41.43 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: I'll try |
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| 10:43.06 | Haris1 | Does this output tell me its completed and I can start putting it back in the raid array? |
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| 10:43.23 | Haris1 | I can add it to the raid array and rebuild it+ |
| 10:45.49 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: I used the rescue from netinst cd |
| 10:46.31 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: but I can't execute dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 10:46.44 | Mazingaro | jelly-home: could I change files manually? |
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| 10:49.04 | garme | Hi... someone can help me to install powernowd in etch? |
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| 10:51.08 | tarkus | Ork: ah, my bad.. in arch you dont specify the user to add |
| 10:51.16 | tarkus | so im just not used to debian yet |
| 10:51.40 | Ork | tarkus: ah, ok |
| 10:51.47 | Ork | I know arch |
| 10:51.59 | Ork | uses adduser the same as BSD |
| 10:52.51 | Haris1 | The scsi hdd is working at round about 30 MB/s |
| 10:53.43 | Haris1 | Nice! .. it can overload a 200 Mbps switch, not to mention keep it busy |
| 10:53.46 | Haris1 | lol |
| 10:54.03 | Ork | tarkus: my arch asks me for a username, anyway |
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| 11:03.21 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: what happens when you try to "dpkg-reconfigure console-data"? |
| 11:03.22 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 11:03.31 | Ace2016 | how do i use fdisk to set partition type? |
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| 11:03.46 | Ace2016 | the howto just says: run fdisk /dev/sdb and set all partition to type fd. |
| 11:03.57 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: you probably need to mount /proc or /sys or /dev in the chroot |
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| 11:04.59 | Haris1 | I'm re-building the raid array |
| 11:05.03 | jelly-home | Mazingaro: if they're available in the rescue shell, you can do mount --bind /dev /target/dev (if your root is mounted on /target) |
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| 11:05.18 | Haris1 | I didn't get any usable info from smartctl |
| 11:05.30 | Haris1 | Need to know how I can troubleshoot the hard drive :( |
| 11:06.21 | anirban | Hi I am having a wired problem from some time |
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| 11:06.52 | anirban | I am getting connection error while downloading or upgrading packages from debian repos |
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| 11:07.11 | anirban | I tried the mirrors also same result |
| 11:07.24 | liable | anirban: what error? |
| 11:07.40 | anirban | basically connection getting timed out |
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| 11:08.09 | liable | go back to reconfigure network and make sure it passes |
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| 11:08.32 | anirban | I think the problem is from my end |
| 11:08.36 | liable | unfortunately the installer doesnt include much helpfull for networking troubleshooting |
| 11:08.46 | anirban | yeah |
| 11:09.04 | jelly-home | Haris1: your pastebin link is invalid, btw |
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| 11:09.18 | anirban | I tried wget to download a package it was started perfectly |
| 11:09.24 | liable | hmm |
| 11:09.30 | anirban | but in the middle it stalled |
| 11:09.38 | Haris1 | jelly-home: hold on |
| 11:09.40 | Ace2016 | try another mirror? |
| 11:09.44 | liable | go back to reconfigure network |
| 11:09.53 | liable | reconf and start again |
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| 11:10.06 | anirban | the package is openoffice.org-core |
| 11:10.20 | themill | liable: it sounds like he's not in the installer any more |
| 11:10.20 | tuntun | Hi. I have a second partition that I mount only every so-often. When I browse through a folder with mixed contents, the 'Type' column only changes to the correct type when I highlight a file. This means that before I can sort by the type column I must first highlight over every file by holding the down arrow. This doesn't seem right. In addition, when I leave the folder and return the 'Type' column data has not been retained. What Is causing this problem? I |
| 11:10.20 | tuntun | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:10.29 | anirban | but other packages get downloaded perfectly |
| 11:10.57 | Haris1 | jelly-home: -> http://pastebin.ca/989452 |
| 11:11.45 | themill | tuntun: which version of debian is this in? |
| 11:12.01 | jelly-home | Haris1: the test has seemingle finished |
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| 11:12.32 | Haris1 | jelly-home: well, yes, but I couldn't find any info on the state of the disk, so I could troubleshoot |
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| 11:13.12 | jelly-home | Haris1: pastebin smartctl -a /dev/sda? Is that a real scsi device, or sata? |
| 11:13.24 | tuntun | themill, well its in nautilus in ubuntu, but there is not nautilus channel and #ubuntu doesn't know |
| 11:13.29 | Haris1 | jelly-home: its scsi |
| 11:13.48 | Haris1 | I havent heard any sata do 28 MB/s |
| 11:13.55 | Haris1 | pasting |
| 11:14.02 | jelly-home | tuntun: note the comment about ubuntu in the topic :-| |
| 11:14.04 | themill | tuntun: we can't help you with ubuntu, this is #debian. Either ask again in #ubuntu or as the nautilus or gnome developers. |
| 11:14.11 | Haris1 | md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1] |
| 11:14.11 | Haris1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:14.59 | Haris1 | http://pastebin.ca/989455 |
| 11:15.25 | tuntun | jelly-home, themill, I specifically ask if there *are* any developers in such channels, but there dont seem to be any |
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| 11:16.15 | jelly-home | tuntun: gnome has its own irc.gnome.org network, you could try there |
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| 11:16.28 | tuntun | jelly-home, themill, but...I guess I will just have to install deboan to get assistance :D |
| 11:16.36 | themill | tuntun: yep. |
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| 11:16.57 | Haris1 | jelly-home: 1) read errors? 2) Non-medium error count: 13 |
| 11:17.05 | tuntun | jelly-home, themill, so, where *are* the devs? |
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| 11:17.12 | themill | tuntun: ubuntu != debian. And btw we also don't support windows in here. |
| 11:17.25 | themill | tuntun: dev's of what? |
| 11:17.50 | tuntun | themill, any relevant component... |
| 11:17.56 | lea_w | Why does "search localdomain" show up in /etc/resolv.conf, and how do I change it to my college's domain? |
| 11:18.03 | themill | tuntun: jelly-home just told you that |
| 11:18.05 | lea_w | Is there any canonical place to set my domain? |
| 11:18.13 | Haris1 | lea_w: use vi ;) |
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| 11:18.29 | lea_w | No, resolv.conf generated by the resolvconf package. |
| 11:18.36 | lea_w | is auto-generated* |
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| 11:19.01 | Haris1 | ok |
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| 11:23.33 | jelly-home | Haris1: for scsi drives, the important parameter to look for is the grown defect list. Yours is still at 0 (and even if it was a small number, you only need to watch if it is rising or not) |
| 11:24.20 | valdyn | lea_w: which domain? |
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| 11:25.21 | Haris1 | ok, my raid array is sync'd and ready. Let me do a reboot and see how it goes |
| 11:25.45 | Haris1 | it should show me all 4 boot options in grub menu now |
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| 11:27.25 | jaggdeb | q me lo vaya cromando q me lo vaya descremando |
| 11:27.55 | themill | !es |
| 11:27.55 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 11:29.34 | zack23 | Any recommended methods/tools to use to monitor DOS attacks on a Debian system? |
| 11:30.18 | Ponny | how do i install kde4? whats the package name? |
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| 11:31.42 | St0n3-C0l | At bootup, there is a command we type to go for a graphical installer. I forgot :( |
| 11:31.45 | St0n3-C0l | graphicinstall? is it? |
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| 11:36.16 | bolt | how can I read a cdrom burned for macintoshes? |
| 11:36.22 | gusnan | St0n3-C0l, installgui. |
| 11:36.22 | bolt | no iso9660 filesystem |
| 11:36.34 | St0n3-C0l | gusnan: aah thanks! |
| 11:36.37 | St0n3-C0l | :) |
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| 11:38.23 | Ivan_Shi | Ponny: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
| 11:39.29 | bolt | nevermind. -t hfs |
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| 11:44.06 | icesword | hmm |
| 11:44.12 | icesword | unop_, hi,there |
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| 11:46.22 | eevar | anyone who could give me a hand with grub? -- http://pastebin.com/m1360e442 |
| 11:47.24 | Ponny | Ivan_Shi, thx |
| 11:47.28 | maligor | maybe you need to update the grub maps |
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| 11:49.12 | cyberagent | can somebody reach http://arvind.gotdns.org ? |
| 11:50.06 | eevar | maligor: those only map hdX to /dev/sdY, which seems to be all right. or? |
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| 11:50.48 | maligor | oh.. right, yes, update-grub wouldn't use them |
| 11:50.50 | M0useP0t4t0 | I could connect to that link & it redirected me to www.giandi.nl |
| 11:50.54 | maligor | or would it? |
| 11:51.34 | maligor | it has to map them somehow |
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| 11:53.24 | cyberagent | can somebody reach http://arvind.gotdns.org ? |
| 11:53.26 | eevar | hmm.. i'll try to toss in partitions there as well ;) |
| 11:53.36 | WormFood | cyberagent, i can't connect to it, but I am also in china, and that type of service is blocked (dyndns is also blocked)...I get a different IP every time |
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| 11:54.23 | icesword | WormFood, proxy? |
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| 11:54.44 | abrotman | cyberagent: i got redirected |
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| 11:54.57 | WormFood | icesword, I have to configure my firewall to allow my proxy to work again....what a pain in the ass |
| 11:55.15 | cyberagent | abrotman, thnx |
| 11:55.22 | icesword | hoho, just don't use firewall, lol |
| 11:55.26 | WormFood | it is funny how all dns requests in china are proxied |
| 11:55.37 | abrotman | funny how? |
| 11:55.41 | WormFood | icesword, it is my firewall in florida |
| 11:56.12 | WormFood | abrotman, I get a different IP address every time I try to access any dynamic ip service |
| 11:56.19 | icesword | WormFood, huh? so you ssh back to your home? |
| 11:56.22 | WormFood | no matter what dns server I use |
| 11:56.30 | WormFood | icesword, that is what I will have to do |
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| 11:56.54 | abrotman | icesword: he has a host in FL that he uses an ssh tunnel to get to so that the gov't of china isn't tracking/fucking with everything he does |
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| 11:57.11 | icesword | ahhhhh |
| 11:57.39 | Ivan_Shi | WormFood: I am in China too,and I use opendns,maybe you can have a try. |
| 11:57.41 | WormFood | actually, all I have to do to access those sites, is to run my dns requests through my VPN |
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| 11:57.48 | WormFood | Ivan_Shi, I use opendns too |
| 11:57.54 | dokma | hi guys |
| 11:58.08 | WormFood | dig arvind.gotdns.org and wait a few seconds and dig it again, and see if the IPs are the same |
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| 11:58.16 | icesword | abrotman, a little surprised you get up so early |
| 11:58.26 | dokma | I'm trying to pick agp 8x card for my debian with plans for dual display. Any suggestions? |
| 11:58.27 | Haris1 | so far so good |
| 11:58.33 | Haris1 | I haven't seen any sessions randomely not accepted |
| 11:58.39 | Haris1 | the raid array is in place as well |
| 11:58.48 | abrotman | icesword: been up for some time .. it's summer .. and i'm usually up with the sun or earlier . |
| 11:59.07 | abrotman | dokma: ati or nvidia ? :) |
| 11:59.08 | icesword | hmm |
| 11:59.14 | Haris1 | I pushed squid upto 84 FDs and it worked normal |
| 11:59.22 | dokma | abrotman: you got any specific one in mind |
| 11:59.27 | dokma | or is any good enough |
| 11:59.48 | liable | old people often get up with the birds.. |
| 11:59.50 | abrotman | dokma: nope .. i can barely track one monitor .. i'm an old man :) |
| 12:00.00 | liable | hah |
| 12:00.05 | dokma | ahhh rgr that man |
| 12:00.05 | Haris1 | now it makes sense |
| 12:00.16 | abrotman | liable: or habitual people .. or people that want to leave work early to go bike, so they go to work early |
| 12:00.20 | Haris1 | all that sarcasm has to come from someone .. :p |
| 12:00.25 | dokma | abrotman: where are you from? |
| 12:00.36 | abrotman | east coast US |
| 12:00.41 | liable | abrotman: mostly old people though |
| 12:00.53 | dokma | isn't it spring time there now? |
| 12:00.57 | DawnLight | i've a system that hangs processes. dmesg shows http://pastebin.ca/989460. can any sense be made of this? |
| 12:01.02 | abrotman | dokma: technically |
| 12:01.08 | abrotman | liable: my mom gets up at 4am every day |
| 12:01.22 | dokma | I got up at 14:00 today |
| 12:01.34 | liable | abrotman: my neighbour does that too. she always tells me what time i went to bed :) |
| 12:01.42 | dokma | east coast USA is like 6:00 am right now |
| 12:01.43 | dokma | right? |
| 12:01.47 | abrotman | 8am |
| 12:01.52 | abrotman | liable: that's creepy |
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| 12:02.41 | liable | abrotman: she's 70 odd and looks ater my place when i go to work, i dont mind. she puts my bins out and feeds me curry. its all good :) |
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| 12:02.54 | Koreets | 23.00 |
| 12:03.01 | abrotman | liable: she's like your mom-ish |
| 12:03.12 | liable | abrotman: sorta, yeah |
| 12:03.19 | dokma | DawnLight: seems like your kernel is messed up |
| 12:03.24 | dokma | did you try to boot another |
| 12:03.52 | abrotman | DawnLight: and your kernel is out of date |
| 12:04.03 | abrotman | DawnLight: which means it's missing a *huge* security patch |
| 12:04.17 | DawnLight | hmm... |
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| 12:07.43 | Ace2016 | theres nothing like 1500 updates to install to break something |
| 12:08.31 | liable | i did a 350MB update the other day and got 15MB free space. i love it when that happens :) |
| 12:08.45 | abrotman | liable: delete stuff? |
| 12:08.47 | liable | doesnt happen often though.. |
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| 12:09.04 | liable | abrotman: just dependencies. |
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| 12:09.36 | liable | i mean after the update, packages took less space.. |
| 12:09.44 | dokma | do you guys know whether I can setup dual display with any AGP 8x with a DVI and VGA connector ? |
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| 12:11.45 | abrotman | might want to ask #ati or #nvidia or #hardware .. but i'm pretty sure yes |
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| 12:13.10 | Ace2016 | dokma: yea you should be able to |
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| 12:13.39 | Spee_Der | Can someone point me in the right direction ? I have Linksys Router BEFSR41 v4. Debian (Etch) v4.03r, I can talk to the router default address, 192.168.1.1, but can not get past the router to access the internet. I have three computers sharing the router. |
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| 12:14.20 | alexises_ | hi |
| 12:14.37 | alexises_ | can you help me to correct my english homework please |
| 12:14.46 | Ace2016 | Spee_Der: is your dns settings correct? |
| 12:15.16 | abrotman | alexises_: wrong channel |
| 12:15.29 | Spee_Der | Ace2016, I went with the default(s) after 30 second reset. Yes. I re-aquired the the DCHP setup. |
| 12:15.39 | Ace2016 | dokma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrrcuJ2OkRA |
| 12:15.52 | alexises_ | i haven't fount a cannel for have help for the homework |
| 12:16.09 | alexises_ | i try winth the english because it's a english homework |
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| 12:16.43 | Ace2016 | try #ubuntu-offtopic might help |
| 12:16.57 | abrotman | Spee_Der: show us your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:17.00 | alexises_ | thenks |
| 12:18.51 | DawnLight | Ace2016: dokma : the guy in the video is wrong. he has DVI-D, which can't be simply adapted to vga! |
| 12:19.01 | Ace2016 | oh |
| 12:19.12 | dokma | DawnLight: really |
| 12:19.24 | dokma | so what's the best solution to connect 2 lcd monitors? |
| 12:19.33 | DawnLight | dokma: Ace2016 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVI |
| 12:20.16 | Spee_Der | abrotman, # The loopback network interface |
| 12:20.16 | Spee_Der | auto lo |
| 12:20.16 | Spee_Der | iface lo inet loopback |
| 12:20.16 | Spee_Der | # The primary network interface |
| 12:20.16 | Spee_Der | allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 12:20.18 | abrotman | dokma: they do have vga->dvi adapters |
| 12:20.24 | abrotman | debhelper: that was slow |
| 12:20.39 | liable | not here |
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| 12:20.48 | abrotman | !paste |
| 12:20.48 | dokma | are there cards with 2 dvi connectors? |
| 12:20.48 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 12:20.51 | Spee_Der | that was funny |
| 12:20.54 | abrotman | dokma: yes |
| 12:21.38 | Ace2016 | why not get a cheap pci graphics card? |
| 12:21.57 | abrotman | Ace2016: because he wants a single AGP card .. is that hard to understand? |
| 12:22.19 | jelly-home | wants or has? |
| 12:22.20 | Ace2016 | well its cheaper |
| 12:22.43 | jelly-home | Ace2016: are there pci cards with dvi-d out, anyway? |
| 12:22.44 | abrotman | maybe he doesn't have PCI .. stop asking stupid questions .. it's his decision |
| 12:23.10 | dokma | I want a single AGP 8x card |
| 12:23.12 | abrotman | dokma: for example http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814241073 .. and NO i am *not* recommending that one, i just found it |
| 12:23.18 | Ace2016 | oh ok |
| 12:23.24 | dokma | now I'm choosing between 2xDVI or DVI+AGP |
| 12:23.32 | dokma | but of all the used cards on offer |
| 12:23.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | Bleugh, ATI. |
| 12:23.35 | abrotman | you mean DVI+DSUB |
| 12:23.41 | dokma | I saw not a single 2xDVI |
| 12:23.48 | dokma | all were DVI+VGA |
| 12:23.51 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: it was just a freaking link .. i'm sure there's some nvidia crap that has it too |
| 12:23.59 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: Woah, chill out |
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| 12:24.10 | dokma | DSUB = VGA ? |
| 12:24.13 | abrotman | you had to comment .. i said i didn't recommend it |
| 12:24.13 | DawnLight | i've an nvidia geforce 7600gt that has two dvi-i |
| 12:24.27 | abrotman | nvidia and ati are equally as bad |
| 12:24.31 | jelly-home | dokma: do your lcd devices work with dvi-d only? |
| 12:24.41 | Ace2016 | matrox is good right? |
| 12:24.54 | abrotman | 10 years ago |
| 12:25.03 | dokma | jelly-home: I've no lcd's |
| 12:25.11 | dokma | I've only a single CRT |
| 12:25.12 | Ace2016 | crts are the best |
| 12:25.14 | abrotman | the parhelia stuff isn't any better than the ati/nvidia in terms of free drivers |
| 12:25.23 | dokma | so I thought like this |
| 12:25.26 | jelly-home | dokma: duh, so buy lcd monitors that have a vga input. |
| 12:25.36 | dokma | #1 buy AGP 8x card capable of dual display |
| 12:25.39 | jelly-home | ... at least one of those |
| 12:25.47 | dokma | #2 buy an lcd and setup dual display lcd+crt |
| 12:25.58 | dokma | #3 buy a second lcd |
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| 12:26.14 | dokma | #4 setup dual display with DVI + VGA with 2 LCDs |
| 12:26.16 | abrotman | i'm starting to think he should really ask #hardware |
| 12:26.24 | dokma | hehehe |
| 12:26.27 | jelly-home | #4 buy a new machine with PCIe |
| 12:26.32 | dokma | but this will all roll on debian |
| 12:26.33 | abrotman | dokma: this has little to do with Debian |
| 12:26.37 | Ace2016 | 2xCRT + 2xVGA |
| 12:26.51 | abrotman | dokma: that's fine .. worry about that after you find a card .. til then #hardware |
| 12:26.52 | Ace2016 | 21" crts are cheap now and they look awesome, i just got one |
| 12:26.59 | dokma | Ace2016: no room for 2 22" CRTs |
| 12:27.06 | abrotman | Ace2016: STOP |
| 12:27.09 | Ace2016 | ah ok |
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| 12:30.39 | jelly-home | hammertime. |
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| 12:31.18 | stew | its not even close to hammertime |
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| 12:33.41 | sandyysm | Is there anything wrong with this command syntax? cvs -d cvsup.uk.Freebsd.org/usr/share/examples/cvsup checkout ports-supfile |
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| 12:34.18 | Haris1 | well |
| 12:34.27 | Haris1 | upgrading to 2.6.18-6-686 didn't help |
| 12:34.32 | Haris1 | the problem with iptables is still there |
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| 12:36.12 | stew | sandyysm: you are trying to connect to a cvs pserver? or http? or what? |
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| 12:38.27 | sandyysm | I have no idea. I dont know how cvs works; I am trying to download the freebsd ports tree. |
| 12:38.36 | abrotman | in Debian ? |
| 12:39.47 | sandyysm | yes, in Debian; this is the command they give, but csup is a freebsd package i beleive |
| 12:39.49 | sandyysm | csup -L 2 -h cvsup.FreeBSD.org /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile |
| 12:39.57 | abrotman | yes it is |
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| 12:40.53 | stew | sandyysm: you need to figure out what protocol it is using or what port |
| 12:41.40 | sandyysm | stew; in freebsd handbook it says CVSup protocol |
| 12:41.44 | abrotman | it's not 2401 |
| 12:41.49 | stew | abrotman: right |
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| 12:43.38 | stew | sandyysm: then you shoudl probably be using a cvsup client instead of a cvs client |
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| 12:46.28 | DawnLight | i'm having processes hung seemingly at random. dmesg shows http://pastebin.ca/989498 . i think that i am running a stock debian kernel, but i'm not sure because this system is an ltsp client built using ltsp-build-client command |
| 12:47.58 | abrotman | at least you updated the kernel |
| 12:48.21 | DawnLight | yes |
| 12:48.34 | DawnLight | is da good student |
| 12:48.49 | abrotman | DawnLight: can you repeat this allt he time? always the same app? or really random stuff happening ? |
| 12:49.10 | DawnLight | abrotman: really really random |
| 12:49.20 | abrotman | i'd question the hardware |
| 12:49.53 | DawnLight | hardware sometimes soft resets in windows xp |
| 12:50.00 | abrotman | seriously? |
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| 12:50.18 | DawnLight | yes |
| 12:50.36 | hoxu | !blame abrotman |
| 12:50.36 | dpkg | blames xorllu and abrotman for the end of the world as we know it |
| 12:50.54 | DawnLight | seemingly at random |
| 12:51.46 | DawnLight | !lart hardware |
| 12:51.46 | dpkg | beats hardware over the head with a microkernel |
| 12:52.37 | DawnLight | !kill foxconn |
| 12:52.38 | dpkg | chops foxconn's head off with a large trout |
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| 12:55.41 | hoxu | hmm, whenever I boot my laptop, the wlan interface is brought up and dhclient called on it even if there's no wlan / I've turned the device off... is there a way to make the dhclient run at background or something? |
| 12:55.42 | enouf | !stab xpoop |
| 12:55.42 | dpkg | runs at xpoop with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 12:56.55 | enouf | allow-hotplug ? |
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| 12:57.33 | hoxu | enouf, thought about that, it does the trick? |
| 12:57.40 | dutchfish | how can i enable (alsa) mulitple sound sources running at the same time, as an example xmms is playing and i want to hear my xchat sounds. Somehow it worked before but not anymore. |
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| 12:58.21 | enouf | hoxu: i can only guess, but it should enable you to bring up the interface only when you want to |
| 12:58.50 | abrotman | !dmix |
| 12:58.50 | dpkg | hmm... dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 12:59.37 | dutchfish | abrotman, thank you Sir |
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| 13:01.09 | dutchfish | abrotman, but my soundcard supports hardware mixing, so should it hten work without dmix? |
| 13:01.22 | abrotman | if linux supports the hardware mixing |
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| 13:01.49 | dutchfish | abrotman, ok, fair enough, how can i find out (sorry for my stupid q) |
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| 13:02.09 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'm not rich like you .. i don't have a hardware mixing card :) |
| 13:02.12 | expose | I have a series of PDFs which are 4-pages-per-sheet prints of a presentation - what could i use to make them one-page-per-sheet? |
| 13:02.17 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'd guess the alsa documentation |
| 13:02.47 | dutchfish | abrotman, i am not ritch, but yes is will delve into alsa docs, thx again |
| 13:03.01 | abrotman | dutchfish: or ask #alsa |
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| 13:04.27 | dutchfish | !info dmix |
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| 13:05.04 | enouf | expose: explode them? apt-cache show pdftk |
| 13:05.26 | expose | thanks, i'll have a look at it |
| 13:05.45 | pflanze | Hello. Quick question (not found in manpage): how does one run dpkg-buildpackage so that it will use multiple cpu's (make -j2)? |
| 13:05.54 | enouf | expose: apt-cache search pdf | less |
| 13:06.39 | enouf | that's a compiler option |
| 13:06.51 | enouf | not a buldpackage option |
| 13:06.54 | dutchfish | abrotman, wich alsa plugin contains dmix? libasound2? |
| 13:06.58 | abrotman | enouf: not really |
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| 13:07.23 | enouf | abrotman: dpkg-buildpackage runs/uses make? |
| 13:07.25 | abrotman | dutchfish: i have a /usr/share/doc/alsa/pcm/dmix.conf |
| 13:07.38 | abrotman | enouf: but how do you have dpkg-buildpackage pass those options to make |
| 13:07.52 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes thats the config from libasound2 but nothing else? or? |
| 13:08.00 | abrotman | enouf: he already knows how to do it with make -j# |
| 13:08.10 | enouf | abrotman: huh? |
| 13:08.13 | abrotman | dutchfish: alsa-project.org .. i don't use dmix |
| 13:08.23 | abrotman | enouf: he already knows how to do it with make via -j# |
| 13:08.27 | abrotman | make more sense? :) |
| 13:08.38 | expose | enouf: well, generic search for "pdf" results in far to many results to go through them all for that problem... |
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| 13:08.54 | expose | enouf: i check out pdftk, it seems to be able to do that |
| 13:08.58 | enouf | dpkg-buildpackage has nothing to do with make, as far as i can guess |
| 13:09.13 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 13:09.18 | enouf | that's why i said, it's a compiler option |
| 13:09.33 | pflanze | enouf: yes sure, but so how would you do it? |
| 13:09.40 | enouf | i guess "compiling" is more apropos |
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| 13:10.46 | enouf | i don't think you can - i thought that's what multithreading is, and if dpkg-buildpackage is based on perl or something - not sure man .. |
| 13:11.16 | pflanze | enouf: what does this have to do with perl :~D |
| 13:11.29 | vi390 | looking for a tool (commandline) that searches for filepatterns on attached disks, find duplicates, and (copy or move) found fils somewhere else |
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| 13:11.48 | pflanze | enouf: I want the package build process to run make (or whatever it's using) to run multiple compilers in parallel. |
| 13:11.51 | enouf | ~$ file `which dpkg-buildpackage` |
| 13:11.52 | vi390 | maybe also indexing and so on |
| 13:11.53 | enouf | /usr/bin/dpkg-buildpackage: POSIX shell script text executable |
| 13:11.55 | enouf | hrm |
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| 13:12.05 | enouf | it's a shell script :-P |
| 13:12.12 | dutchfish | abrotman, got working! :) thx again. Just needed to alter dmix.conf so it well not interfear :) |
| 13:12.18 | enouf | expose: cool |
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| 13:13.14 | expose | enouf: well, i use it to split the pages, and then i run pdfcrop it extract the 4 quaters of the pages....and then i pdfjoin it all again... |
| 13:13.17 | expose | PDF sucks ass. |
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| 13:16.02 | enouf | yep, it does |
| 13:16.23 | enouf | pflanze: how about running tow build at once? will that do? |
| 13:16.26 | enouf | two |
| 13:17.05 | crazyfrog | my /home and / is in the same filesystem.if i move /home to another filesystem and create a link to /home,will it cause problem? |
| 13:17.14 | pflanze | enouf: hm; if you can suggest me a way to fetch and build dependencies automatically as well, that'd do. |
| 13:17.19 | dutchfish | mumbles something about ccache |
| 13:17.31 | iateadonut | crazyfrog, you should open your fstab and automount it from there. |
| 13:17.36 | alturiak | you probably got some key-combination using Fn-key to brighten the display |
| 13:17.41 | alturiak | err |
| 13:17.46 | alturiak | ignore that. |
| 13:18.27 | pflanze | hears dutchfish mumbling and wonders whether ccache can parallelise compiler runs |
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| 13:18.59 | dutchfish | pflanze, no, but i use it along with distcc, really improve things |
| 13:19.01 | quitt1 | pflanze: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=209008 |
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| 13:20.31 | dutchfish | pflanze, lol, you can make distcc also compile with more threads localy, standard.... |
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| 13:21.18 | pflanze | dutchfish: how do you make the build process use distcc? |
| 13:21.21 | dutchfish | pflanze, on 2 4 8 cores, whatever you want |
| 13:21.38 | dutchfish | pflanze, hold on i google it up for ya |
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| 13:22.30 | pflanze | Actually I like enouf's suggestion to run multiple builds in parallel, since rebuilding a package from testing usually ends up wanting tons of dependencies rebuilt as well, |
| 13:22.46 | enouf | pflanze: fetching depends are as easy as apt-get build-deps <pkgname> .. but i was going to suggest 'taskset' which'll allow you to set processes to each core/cpu - man taskset ...you might want to look into distcc |
| 13:22.47 | pflanze | if someone can tell me how to let it do this automatically, that'd be wonderful. |
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| 13:22.59 | dutchfish | pflanze, can not find a howto, but i can post you my little script that does it all, a sec |
| 13:23.23 | crazyfrog | in xserver-xorg ,which file is the X configure file |
| 13:23.24 | pflanze | Thanks quitt1, is this implemented today? |
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| 13:23.57 | enouf | util-linux: /usr/bin/taskset |
| 13:24.21 | quitte | pflanze: sorry. didn't read all of the bugreport |
| 13:24.41 | pflanze | quitte: thanks anyway. |
| 13:27.28 | pflanze | wonders whether enouf is serious with taskset |
| 13:27.39 | dutchfish | pflanze, http://pastebin.com/m39ddfc78 (of coarse you need to install distcc, ccmake and build-essential on all your satelites, and config /etc/default/distcc accordingly) |
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| 13:27.57 | billu | You wanna earn a lot of money?? Register here! http://bux.to/?r=michal_bielecki |
| 13:28.07 | Penix | billu: go away |
| 13:28.11 | Penix | !ops billu is a spammer |
| 13:28.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: penix complains about: billu is a spammer |
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| 13:28.36 | billu | No it isn't spam ;] |
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| 13:28.43 | enouf | pflanze: why wouldn't i be? |
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| 13:28.47 | elky | nice of him to give us his name too |
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| 13:29.01 | jelly-home | billu: Michal, you're an idiot. :-| |
| 13:29.07 | dutchfish | pflanze, and make symlinks for cc for distcc |
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| 13:31.53 | davi | How to uncompress a '.cab' Microsoft Cabinet archive data ? |
| 13:32.03 | jelly-home | davi: cabextract |
| 13:32.12 | davi | thanks jelly-home |
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| 13:33.09 | jelly-home | apt-cache search Microsoft Cabinet ftw |
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| 13:33.43 | davi | jelly, it was already installed at my system, but I did not know :) |
| 13:33.45 | dutchfish | !info cabextract etch |
| 13:33.49 | dpkg | cabextract: (a program to extract Microsoft Cabinet files), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.2-2 (etch), Packaged size: 52 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
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| 13:35.51 | dutchfish | is still strugling with virtio balloon driver in 2.6.25 (kvm) |
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| 13:43.00 | paprika | Hi, have problems to start zynjacku... help needed here http://rafb.net/p/dGAAdX62.html |
| 13:43.57 | pflanze | dutchfish: thanks for the paste; but I wonder: doesn't this still require that the make process runs compilations in parallel? Isn't it just distributing the parallel runs to other machines? |
| 13:44.11 | enouf | pflanze: might be able to do like export CCFLAGS= in your env prior to calling .. hrm, here's a bug report much more current http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=472337 |
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| 13:44.52 | dutchfish | pflanze, yes, but the other machines might as well be only localhost, and distcc has an option for how many threads, the threads are dived automagically over the excisting cores. |
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| 13:45.19 | pflanze | dutchfish: yes, but how do I make the make process call multiple cc's in the first place? |
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| 13:45.29 | pflanze | if it doesn't do this, how would distcc help? |
| 13:45.56 | dutchfish | pflanze, in that case not, sorry then i misread |
| 13:46.38 | abrotman | COWS! |
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| 13:46.56 | expose | How to cut out a part of a single PDF page into a new file? |
| 13:47.24 | dutchfish | pflanze, i am not sure about yours but make-kpkg does |
| 13:47.56 | pflanze | hm I wonder how it does. |
| 13:48.05 | pflanze | Maybe it has #-of-cpu checking builtin |
| 13:48.14 | dutchfish | pflanze, i never gave thoughts about it, mmmm ... |
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| 13:48.41 | abrotman | expose: some pdf viewers have a copy function |
| 13:49.05 | themill | expose: pdftk can split it up into pages, imagemagick convert can rasterise an image or a page of an image. kpdf has a nice draw-a-box-around-then-copy function that works for both text and pictures |
| 13:49.14 | expose | abrotman: they convert it to raster images then - isnt it technically possible to keep it scaleable? |
| 13:49.26 | abrotman | expose: i doubt it .. |
| 13:49.34 | expose | abrotman: i see |
| 13:49.41 | dutchfish | pflanze, the only thing is to delve in make-kpkg sources and look if packagebuilder can do the same |
| 13:49.56 | expose | themill: so you think i need to rasterize it too? |
| 13:50.12 | dutchfish | pflanze, then it would work natively, if it works |
| 13:50.18 | Haris_ | People |
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| 13:50.42 | Haris_ | Do we have any kernel versions around 2.4.21 available for etch ? |
| 13:50.49 | pflanze | dutchfish: dpkg-buildpackage knows about -j2 it seems (from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=209008), but it seems packages need to support this explicitely, which makes sense. |
| 13:51.00 | pflanze | Because builds can be broken by parallelity |
| 13:51.10 | dutchfish | pflanze, yes |
| 13:51.29 | pflanze | So I think Debian did take care by implementing -j flag for dpkg-buildpackage, and this is what people probably should tell if someone's asking for it. |
| 13:51.40 | themill | expose: it depends what you want to do. But in general, to get stuff out of a PDF you need to do that, unless you can find an editing tool (pdfedit, perhaps) that will let you extract vector graphics from the pdf. As a general rule you can't though, because pdfs aren't designed for that. |
| 13:51.43 | dutchfish | pflanze, brings me to q if this will be possible at all? |
| 13:51.50 | pflanze | But it doesn't seem to be widely supported -- the two packages I've built right now didn't seem to run cc in parallel. |
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| 13:52.14 | pflanze | dutchfish: sure, the majority of packages can just run make -j.. and be fine. |
| 13:52.21 | pflanze | It's just a minority with a problem. |
| 13:52.27 | dutchfish | pflanze, thinking about, there could be another trick |
| 13:52.30 | pflanze | And dpkg-buildpackage seems to have done it right already. |
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| 13:53.03 | Haris1 | Hello? |
| 13:53.12 | dutchfish | pflanze, suppose you set up a VM with mutliple cores as 1 core, that would work |
| 13:53.28 | XTZGZoReX | Is there any sort of app to extract/put together cab files? |
| 13:53.33 | XTZGZoReX | For linux, that is. |
| 13:53.42 | pflanze | dutchfish: hey :), I don't need tricks. I need working procedures, and dpkg-buildpackage -j.. is the way to go. |
| 13:53.56 | dutchfish | pflanze, ok |
| 13:54.15 | pflanze | dutchfish: if I still really want to hack, then I'd wrap make by a shell script tha runs make -j2 for me. |
| 13:54.30 | expose | themill: thanks |
| 13:54.44 | themill | expose: no worries. Good luck with that. |
| 13:54.57 | expose | i'll need it.. |
| 13:54.57 | enouf | pflanze: seems dpkg-buildpackage just runs a set of commands in a certain order - see Option c) here http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu.motu/2006-02/msg00185.html |
| 13:55.06 | themill | XTZGZoReX: there's probably something in the mono project for that. |
| 13:55.08 | dutchfish | pflanze, i gave you just my thoughts ... |
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| 13:55.41 | XTZGZoReX | themill: K |
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| 13:55.46 | pflanze | dutchfish, enouf: sure, thanks :). Expecially the link to the debian bug repo helped. |
| 13:56.11 | pflanze | Now if the next person comes asking this question, please tell him to look up the -j flag in man dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:56.17 | enouf | pflanze: also, note pbuilder might be an option, if you want to know more overall about pkgbuilding perhaps "/msg dpkg nmg" |
| 13:56.26 | pflanze | Or the above bug url. |
| 13:56.48 | craigevil | XTZGZoReX: orange, cabextract |
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| 13:57.24 | XTZGZoReX | craigevil: difference? |
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| 13:57.44 | pflanze | (Funnily enough I did check the manpage but missed the -j flag; even funnier since it is called the same as the make one..) |
| 13:57.44 | craigevil | no a clue those are what show up using apt-cache search |
| 13:58.09 | XTZGZoReX | craigevil: K, thanks |
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| 13:59.09 | enouf | pflanze: |
| 13:59.15 | enouf | !dbugs 458589 |
| 13:59.18 | dpkg | DONE:#458589:I[dpkg-dev] dpkg-buildpackage should not call debian/rules with -j when DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS contains parallel=n; Tue, 1 Jan 2008 22:15:02 UTC |
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| 14:00.58 | enouf | pflanze: which version of dpkg-dev you have? 1.14.18 ? |
| 14:01.29 | pflanze | yep |
| 14:01.45 | dutchfish | my first impression is parallelisation for packagebuilding should not be a userspace question but a lernel question, its time for virtual CPUs and management tools in my humble opinion. |
| 14:01.55 | dutchfish | s/lernel/kernel |
| 14:02.11 | pflanze | virtual cpu's? |
| 14:02.13 | pflanze | huh |
| 14:02.40 | pflanze | do you actually want *more* or *less* than physical cpu's :) |
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| 14:03.02 | dutchfish | pflanze, no, i want more control over how and when cores are used |
| 14:03.25 | enouf | hehe, i still have .4 here O_o |
| 14:03.26 | pflanze | "you want control" means that not the kernel does it but the userspace. |
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| 14:04.08 | enouf | http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-dpkg-bugs@lists.debian.org/msg05944.html http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.14.18/changelog there's teh story jerry |
| 14:04.26 | dutchfish | pflanze, no, like in xen, its the kernel (with userspace support in dom0) after all it is PARAvirtualisation |
| 14:04.31 | pflanze | dutchfish: multiple cpu's means ability to do multiple jobs in parallel. Now there's no way around *producing* multiple jobs in parallel for them to be worke on. |
| 14:05.36 | dutchfish | pflanze, is see no reason (for the future) that multiple cores can act in userspace as 1 |
| 14:06.13 | dutchfish | pflanze, if so, that would be kernelspace |
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| 14:06.21 | pflanze | dutchfish: no |
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| 14:06.29 | dutchfish | pflanze, virtio and the like |
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| 14:07.08 | dutchfish | pflanze, ok, explain to me why, no |
| 14:07.21 | enouf | well, -rfakeroot is called to do some magic ;-) |
| 14:08.14 | enouf | we don't need no steenken microkernels though ;-) |
| 14:08.36 | pflanze | dutchfish: you've got a management problem: take 10 people and let them appear as one person who is 10 times as fast. How would you do it? |
| 14:08.44 | Haris1 | Has anyone else had problems running transparent proxy on etch r2 ? |
| 14:08.54 | Haris1 | with kernel 2.6.18-5-686 |
| 14:09.47 | dutchfish | pflanze, your left arm can act indepently from your right arm isnt it? still it belongs to one person, or not? |
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| 14:10.16 | enouf | ya know what? i think my DNS is sucking some giant smelly donkey balls - so, if i rearrange my ISPs order of servers in /etc/resolv.conf would i need to restart networking? or ifdown/ifup iface for changes to take? |
| 14:10.16 | pflanze | dutchfish: they are doing different jobs |
| 14:10.30 | dutchfish | pflanze, exactly! |
| 14:10.47 | crazyfrog | when i play on-line movie ,sometimes the player would stop and the sound of movie will repeat ,what is the problem? |
| 14:11.22 | pflanze | dutchfish: who gives them different jobs? |
| 14:11.29 | dutchfish | pflanze, and the beaty of it is: you dont need a split brain for that |
| 14:11.36 | pflanze | true |
| 14:11.39 | iateadonut | on plug-in finder for iceweasel, what do i have to install to get (audio/x-wav) to play through a website. |
| 14:11.45 | iateadonut | ? |
| 14:11.52 | pflanze | dutchfish: but you have to make two jobs out of one |
| 14:12.05 | dutchfish | pflanze, aha, we getting there |
| 14:12.52 | pflanze | dutchfish: who knows how to do this? |
| 14:13.00 | dutchfish | pflanze, what we need is a hypervisor clever enough to shop the big job up into microjobs |
| 14:13.22 | pflanze | dutchfish: again: who do you think knows best how to do this? |
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| 14:13.48 | pflanze | dutchfish: the people working with the matter, or some high up manager which almost never spoke to them? |
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| 14:14.38 | crazyfrog | when i play on-line movie ,sometimes the player would stop and the sound of movie will repeat ,then if i play music with any player,it will not work,who can help me |
| 14:14.47 | jewel | is it normal for /usr/share/locale to take up 200M? |
| 14:15.29 | dutchfish | pflanze, sorry, i didnt grasp you last sentence (my bad english) |
| 14:15.35 | jewel | crazyfrog, it's a bug in mozilla |
| 14:16.15 | crazyfrog | jewel : how to fix it |
| 14:16.43 | jewel | crazyfrog, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/102408 |
| 14:16.55 | jewel | crazyfrog, I don't think there is a way to fix it |
| 14:17.03 | pflanze | dutchfish: you want the kernel to take one task and break it up. Now what does the kernel know about the task? It just sees a stream of assembler statements. How could he know how to split that apart? |
| 14:17.06 | enouf | bingo - hehe .. just found out from "iftop" that my changes to resolv.conf are being used without having to do anything ;-) |
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| 14:18.01 | vi390 | what can i use to find dupes, and manage them sitting on different volumes |
| 14:18.20 | dutchfish | pflanze, the same as a hypervisor would deal with it on a multiple VM machine |
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| 14:18.59 | abrotman | vi390: dupes of what? |
| 14:19.04 | pflanze | dutchfish: hm I didn't get that. What's the hypervisor and what do they do with the vm's? |
| 14:19.15 | vi390 | abrotman: files |
| 14:19.33 | dutchfish | pflanze, hold on i give you a link |
| 14:19.40 | abrotman | !info fdupes etch |
| 14:19.42 | dpkg | fdupes: (Identifies duplicate files within given directories), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.40-4 (etch), Packaged size: 13 kB, Installed size: 80 kB |
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| 14:20.13 | pflanze | dutchfish: better describe it to me |
| 14:20.17 | enouf | !chkdupex |
| 14:20.21 | enouf | !chkdupexe |
| 14:20.25 | enouf | heh |
| 14:20.27 | vi390 | dpkg: hmm looks good , gonna try it |
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| 14:20.36 | pflanze | dutchfish: I think you'r talking about vm's which run os'es with threads and need multiple processors to handle different threads. |
| 14:21.09 | dutchfish | pflanze, yes, but not quite what i meant |
| 14:21.21 | enouf | ~$ dlocate chkdupexe |
| 14:21.22 | enouf | util-linux: /usr/bin/chkdupexe |
| 14:21.43 | enouf | probably not even close to what fdupes does |
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| 14:22.22 | vinux | hi |
| 14:22.41 | vinux | who have ever install suphp on debian etch ? |
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| 14:23.19 | abrotman | !ask |
| 14:23.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:23.21 | dutchfish | pflanze, and i dont state the the curent kernel is ready for that, but i believe strongly in virtualisation of CPU resources for the future. That it isnt there yet, doesnt mean it will never be there. That was only my point. |
| 14:23.24 | enouf | dang, i got it installed too :-P |
| 14:23.47 | enouf | but it's o-l-d .. like my dpkg-dev |
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| 14:24.27 | pflanze | dutchfish: you have to write it down. I think you've got some misunderstandings. Take a look at parallelism in cpu's itself (for parallelizing asm code streams, which is very limited), and at programming languages. |
| 14:24.40 | Haris1 | do we have the 2.4.x kernel available in repo for etch? |
| 14:24.41 | pflanze | dutchfish: neither of those need or want the kernel to do the task. |
| 14:24.48 | abrotman | no |
| 14:25.13 | pflanze | dutchfish: the kernel is good as a servant to do what it is being told. It doesn't know what the job at hands is. This is an algorithm problem and in the userspace. |
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| 14:26.02 | dutchfish | pflanze, i was not talking about the kernel as in sec. But as a hypervisor. |
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| 14:27.01 | pflanze | dutchfish: but why would the supervisor be in the kernel? Ok maybe you didn't imply that. Then what is the supervisor? A supevisor needs knowhow about the task at hands. Think again of a "manager". It must know about what the ppl are doing, |
| 14:27.10 | pflanze | and how to spread that work across people. |
| 14:27.23 | pflanze | It does need some experience and ideas (algorithms) for that. |
| 14:27.31 | enouf | !hpux |
| 14:27.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, hpux is the worst of all unices out there (except for SCO of course), or more evil than AIX, or extremely painful |
| 14:27.37 | dutchfish | pflanze, yes, i agree on that |
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| 14:27.46 | enouf | haha ... and it can do virtual cpus :-P |
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| 14:28.48 | enouf | hypervisor == kernel on steroidZzzzz |
| 14:29.13 | enouf | dpkg: say "ith not a tumah!" |
| 14:29.13 | dpkg | "ith not a tumah!" |
| 14:30.06 | abrotman | dpkg: piglatin enouf |
| 14:30.06 | Bert_2 | Hi, I want to mount a DVD image of a film so that xine-ui player can play it (I know I can play .iso files with mplayer but it screws menu's etc. and if I use loop it isn't recognised as a DVD film), does anybody know how I can do this ? |
| 14:30.07 | dpkg | enoufway |
| 14:30.18 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.30 | abrotman | Bert_2: you don't mount media like that .. |
| 14:30.40 | valdyn | Bert_2: playing iso files is simply abusing the fact that a dvd contains plain mpeg streams |
| 14:30.48 | enouf | ebay arefulcay abrotmanway - ouyay evernay owknay owhay astynay iway ancay etgay ;-) |
| 14:30.53 | Bert_2 | valdyn: what do I have to do then then ? |
| 14:30.56 | valdyn | Bert_2: its not the same as playing a dvd |
| 14:30.57 | enouf | :-P |
| 14:31.05 | valdyn | Bert_2: you click on the dvd button in the GUI of xine |
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| 14:31.37 | Bert_2 | valdyn: if I press the dvd icon in xine-ui it gives me an error |
| 14:31.54 | valdyn | Bert_2: am i supposed to guess what the error is? |
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| 14:32.25 | Bert_2 | valdyn: it just says that there's no DVD in the tray |
| 14:32.29 | valdyn | Bert_2: oh, nm |
| 14:32.32 | dante_2core | !dpkg ndiswrapper |
| 14:32.32 | abrotman | valdyn: if you could .. that'd be dandy |
| 14:32.41 | valdyn | Bert_2: you need to specifiy the dvd image as dvd device |
| 14:32.47 | valdyn | Bert_2: in the settings, or on command line |
| 14:32.56 | dante_2core | can anyone help me on how the dpkg trigger-thingy works? i want to know the version of ndiswrapper in stable |
| 14:32.59 | Bert_2 | valdyn: and how do I do that ? |
| 14:33.19 | valdyn | Bert_2: that = what? |
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| 14:33.31 | dante_2core | !dpkg show ndiswrapper |
| 14:33.41 | dante_2core | !info ndiswrapper |
| 14:33.52 | Bert_2 | valdyn: how can I specify that the image is a dvd device ? |
| 14:33.59 | vinux | !Adys test |
| 14:34.06 | valdyn | Bert_2: navigate through xine settings |
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| 14:34.43 | dante_2core | !info nspluginwrapper |
| 14:34.52 | Adys | vinux ? |
| 14:34.56 | valdyn | Bert_2: settings -> media -> dvd device |
| 14:35.15 | vinux | !Adys sorry I test the channel only |
| 14:35.22 | Adys | ok |
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| 14:37.16 | valdyn | Bert_2: so i jsut did it: mouse rightclick -> Settings -> Setup... -> media -> Device for DVD playback |
| 14:37.22 | Bert_2 | valdyn: in settings -> media I only have number of dvb cards, remember last dvb channel watched, default language, region, file browsing start location, network bandwidth and timout |
| 14:37.40 | Bert_2 | valdyn: I can't find that options in media |
| 14:37.53 | abrotman | dante_2core: msg the bot |
| 14:38.02 | abrotman | !tell dante_2core about nspluginwrapper |
| 14:38.04 | valdyn | Bert_2: in the GUI tab, select a higher experience level |
| 14:38.29 | valdyn | Bert_2: "Master of the known universe" should show all options available, lower levels will show less |
| 14:38.30 | dante_2core | abrotman, thanks - I did that after a few bad tries ;) |
| 14:38.37 | iateadonut | the eject command (or right clicking on the cd icon) is not working for me in lenny. |
| 14:38.52 | enouf | valdyn: he's bouncing back and forth in here and ##linux |
| 14:39.15 | iateadonut | i wonder if the simpsons would agree to have lenny's face one debian lenny default desktop wallpaper. |
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| 14:39.21 | Bert_2 | valdyn: advanced did it, thank you, now I can see the option |
| 14:39.37 | liable | iateadonut: heh |
| 14:40.23 | iateadonut | i guess that would violate the debian all-free protocol, though; even if they did agree. |
| 14:41.36 | dutchfish | pflanze, i have carefully reread what you said. You are wright. And we have a long way to go, before we have developed a framework for "specialized jobs" wich can be handed to a specific CPU. Like does is an on going effort for I/O like in virtio/kvm. |
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| 14:42.36 | Bert_2 | valdyn: I just changed device used for DVD playback to the path to my iso image and now I get some strange errors, shall I put them on pastebin ? |
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| 14:45.17 | Inktjet | I as (non super) user on a debian system; would like to have a keepalive when connecting sshing to other servers; how can I do this? |
| 14:45.34 | abrotman | fix your firewall |
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| 14:45.42 | pflanze | dutchfish: I don't know what they are doing (re "specialized jobs"), maybe you should in fact post the url you've had in mind. |
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| 14:45.54 | slidesinger | !bugreport |
| 14:45.55 | pflanze | if you find it. |
| 14:46.15 | dutchfish | pflanze, not a good example as in our context but still: http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Virtio?highlight=%28virtio%29 |
| 14:46.44 | abrotman | !tell slidesinger about reportbug |
| 14:47.00 | slidesinger | Got it abrotman, thanks. |
| 14:47.12 | stew | Inktjet: man ssh_config |
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| 14:47.27 | stew | Inktjet: (and lookg for keepalive) |
| 14:47.50 | Inktjet | stew: thanks |
| 14:47.50 | bartwe | that latencytop support in 2.6.25 looks intresting |
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| 14:48.47 | Inktjet | stew: where can i set those values? |
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| 14:49.10 | slidesinger | When I boot off the 2.6.24-1-686 kernel with my crusoe, all I get is a stack dump. Am I using the right kernel? |
| 14:49.11 | stew | Inktjet: look at the SYNOPSIS |
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| 14:49.34 | akio | test |
| 14:50.45 | abrotman | slidesinger: that should be the correct one |
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| 14:51.11 | azeem | slidesinger: maybe try the the -386 or -486 one |
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| 14:51.29 | azeem | not sure the crusoe has all the necessary extensions |
| 14:51.38 | akio | I just have a quick question, where would I find a generic howto for configuration of typical wireless chipsets, I want to be able to semi-manually control the card, but i know I have avahi and autoipd or something already running | ps, how do i check running daemons? |
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| 14:52.11 | akio | something to do with /etc/init.d/ |
| 14:52.35 | pflanze | dutchfish: I'll read that and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paravirtualization and think it through when I return from shopping (I'm mainly wondering how you got to the impression) |
| 14:53.21 | dutchfish | pflanze, maybe we continue afterwards on #debian-offtopic i will be there |
| 14:53.51 | dutchfish | pflanze, ctach you later |
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| 14:59.19 | slidesinger | Will reportbug pick up a bug in the kernel package do you think? It gets as far as initrd, then does a stack dump to the screen. |
| 15:01.02 | abrotman | slidesinger: do any debian kernels boot? |
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| 15:02.30 | TodoSoft | guys, how do I open an X port? |
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| 15:03.17 | Bravewolf | Is sarge still supported? |
| 15:04.05 | iateadonut | i apt-got sun-java5-plugin and ln the plugin to /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins - but java applets are not working still. |
| 15:04.09 | iateadonut | any idea why? |
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| 15:04.38 | themill | Bravewolf: we can try to help sarge users still, but sarge security support has ended, yes. |
| 15:04.57 | Bushmills | iateadonut: type in iceweasel URL bar: about:plugins |
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| 15:05.22 | themill | iateadonut: you shouldn't need to ln the plugin; apt-get sun-java5-plugin should be sufficient. |
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| 15:05.51 | iateadonut | you're right. |
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| 15:06.21 | iateadonut | i'm trying to install the wrong thing, then - do you know what i would do to get a audio/x-wav to run through a website? |
| 15:06.49 | ampmaniac3 | hi! how will i execute a command that will add a user and encrypt its password on 1 line? |
| 15:06.55 | iateadonut | (installed on iceweasel? - it has that 'install missing plugins thing on the top...) |
| 15:07.02 | Bushmills | about any media player plugin should do, like xine, mplayer or such |
| 15:07.04 | Bravewolf | themill: I read that the support for sarge was dropped at the end of March, but in www.debian.org I read that a new version of sarge is available.... so I can't understand if sarge is still "alive" or not... |
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| 15:07.18 | slidesinger | Yes, the previous versions, all of them. |
| 15:07.36 | ampmaniac3 | ive tried useradd -m user1 -p password but it did not encrypt the password in /etc/shadow |
| 15:07.49 | ampmaniac3 | any idea pls? |
| 15:07.52 | abrotman | Bravewolf: that was the "final" version |
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| 15:08.16 | Bushmills | ampmaniac3: useradd foo ; chpasswd foo password |
| 15:08.21 | TodoSoft | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
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| 15:08.45 | TodoSoft | that would open port 80, but, I need to open port 21500 and that did not open it (according to nmap output) |
| 15:08.50 | TodoSoft | what can I do?? |
| 15:08.53 | Bushmills | ehm ... foo:password |
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| 15:09.01 | iateadonut | it's actually javascript which works on other OS's (like mandriva) but not on debian |
| 15:09.02 | iateadonut | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.02 | iateadonut | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.02 | Bravewolf | abrotman: ok, now it's clear. thanks! |
| 15:09.13 | abrotman | Bravewolf: i thought the announcement mentioned that |
| 15:09.32 | abrotman | Bravewolf: http://www.us.debian.org/News/2008/20080413 "eight and final" |
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| 15:09.52 | valdyn | TodoSoft: why would that port be locked at all? |
| 15:11.08 | stew | ampmaniac3: you'd have to encrypt the password before giving it to useradd. you can do this with 'mkpasswd -H MD5' |
| 15:11.09 | themill | Bravewolf: that was just a roll up of the latest sarge updates into a new iso image. There are no more coming. |
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| 15:12.05 | slidesinger | abrotman: Yes, the previous versions, all of them. |
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| 15:12.14 | Bushmills | TodoSoft: do you have a listener on port 21500? |
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| 15:12.43 | slidesinger | abrotman: from 2.6.22.3-686 backwards |
| 15:13.02 | abrotman | slidesinger: you've tried -486 -686 and -amd64 ? |
| 15:13.02 | slidesinger | abrotman: from 2.6.22-3-686 backwards |
| 15:13.22 | Bravewolf | abrotman: I read the translated version... that's why I couldn't understand. Now I've read the original english version and everything is more clear. |
| 15:13.28 | valdyn | TodoSoft: using nmap to audit localhost is silly and entirely useless |
| 15:13.35 | abrotman | Bravewolf: oh ok |
| 15:13.36 | slidesinger | abrotman: on a crusoe longrun processor? |
| 15:13.39 | iateadonut | does anyone know the correct plugin that i would install so that iceweasel will play wav's or mp3's without opening up a gui when it sees them? |
| 15:13.45 | abrotman | slidesinger: crusoe isn't 64bit? |
| 15:14.12 | Bravewolf | abrotman: in the translated version there wasn't the word "and final".... |
| 15:14.15 | abrotman | slidesinger: have you tried optoins like for apic or/and acpi ? |
| 15:14.17 | slidesinger | abrotman: I don't think so. |
| 15:14.21 | abrotman | Bravewolf: oh .. that's not good |
| 15:14.39 | slidesinger | abrotman: no. I will try those. |
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| 15:14.57 | abrotman | slidesinger: you could also check the BTS for the image |
| 15:15.03 | abrotman | image/package |
| 15:15.42 | slidesinger | abrotman: was already looking into that. |
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| 15:18.02 | iateadonut | mplayer does it... a long time ago, totem used to open up a GUI for simple stuff like that. |
| 15:18.30 | iateadonut | bushmills: thanks for the about:plugin tip. very helpful. |
| 15:18.49 | Bushmills | yw |
| 15:19.25 | iateadonut | oh man. that is so awesome. |
| 15:19.50 | iateadonut | i guess it downloaded from debian-multimedia... |
| 15:20.14 | iateadonut | it installed all the proprietory codecs. the web browser is set up with every single thing i could ever want now. |
| 15:20.20 | iateadonut | i can't believe how easy that was. |
| 15:20.44 | enouf | wait for the Microsoft DLL errors asking about avsync.dll, lmao |
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| 15:22.01 | iateadonut | imao? |
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| 15:23.07 | iateadonut | are you talking to me? |
| 15:23.21 | iateadonut | will there be errors with mplayer? |
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| 15:24.10 | iateadonut | thanks. bye. |
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| 15:28.24 | k-man | when using the kp mantra to compile a kernel, what do you do if you get this error: ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value |
| 15:28.31 | k-man | how do you fix that? |
| 15:28.48 | Wyzard_ | k-man: make-kpkg clean |
| 15:29.48 | Wyzard_ | k-man: (which should delete the entire debian/ directory, IIRC; it'll be recreated when you build again) |
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| 15:30.16 | k-man | Wyzard_, but then it has to build the whole lot again |
| 15:30.28 | Wyzard_ | k-man: Isn't that what you're trying to do? |
| 15:30.30 | k-man | all I'm trying to do is rebuild with the --initrd |
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| 15:30.58 | k-man | but i build the package originaly yesterday so its got a different version now |
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| 15:31.13 | Wyzard_ | k-man: Different version of what? |
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| 15:31.45 | Wyzard_ | k-man: And why would it be different from yesterday? |
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| 15:32.23 | k-man | oh, the kp mantra sets "export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d')" and then calls make-kpkg --revision=$VER |
| 15:32.37 | k-man | i guess i can manually set it |
| 15:32.43 | Wyzard_ | k-man: ah, ok, didn't realize that |
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| 15:33.08 | k-man | oh, i just dropped the --revision |
| 15:33.10 | k-man | i think that fixed it |
| 15:33.16 | Wyzard_ | k-man: You can override that, I guess, or edit debian/changelog and change the version in the top entry to today's date |
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| 15:33.56 | ruied | I have a working debian with a software array1. I've compiled a neu kernel (with make-kpkg) and installed it, but the new kernel won't work because it doesn't recognise the md raid... I've also compiled my kernel with md and raid1 compiled in the kernel... shouldn't my ne kernel mount the file system once it was compiled widh md and raid1 modules? |
| 15:34.11 | Wyzard_ | k-man: You shouldn't really need to specify --revision |
| 15:34.13 | k-man | Wyzard_, thanks for your help |
| 15:34.21 | k-man | Wyzard_, its just in the kp mantra |
| 15:34.31 | k-man | Wyzard_, so yeah, i guess not |
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| 15:36.45 | Bravewolf | Is there a package with some themes for grub? |
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| 15:36.48 | Wyzard_ | ruied: It should, but make sure you didn't leave out some other essential driver, like support for your IDE/SATA/SCSI controller |
| 15:37.15 | Wyzard_ | ruied: and are you using an initrd with your custom kernel? (the "--initrd" option to make-kpkg) |
| 15:37.25 | Wyzard_ | ruied: An initrd is necessary for booting from software RAID |
| 15:39.06 | ruied | Wyzard_, didn't forget sata, before I've compiled I've copied the /boot/.config<working kernel> and than just added other stuff that I needed... |
| 15:39.19 | ruied | Wyzard_, didn't compile with --initrd |
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| 15:39.57 | Wyzard_ | That's probably why, then |
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| 15:40.42 | Wyzard_ | You can generate one with mkinitramfs, but it'd be a good idea to rebuild your kernel .deb using the --initrd option (which makes it automatically invoke mkinitramfs when the .deb is installed) |
| 15:41.01 | ruied | I've made one with "mkinitramfs -r /dev/md0 -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.25" (booted with the old working kernel) |
| 15:41.15 | ruied | but it also didn't work out... |
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| 15:41.41 | ruied | Wyzard_, so, the best option is to compile with initramfs... |
| 15:42.14 | Wyzard_ | You need to use "-v 2.6.25" to tell it to build the initrd for that kernel rather than the one you're running now |
| 15:42.31 | ruied | ah, ok... |
| 15:42.54 | Wyzard_ | and "-r /dev/md0" shouldn't be necessary, assuming you have root= set correctly in your grub config (which you presumably do, or your old kernel wouldn't be able to boot either) |
| 15:43.15 | ruied | Wyzard_, I've changed that already... |
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| 15:45.06 | ruied | Wyzard_, initramfs is a litle bit confusing to me, why do I need to run initramfs before the kernel itself? why a ram filesystem? I've compiled the kernel raid1 and md as part of the kernel... |
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| 15:45.47 | Wyzard_ | ruied: You've compiled the raid drivers into the kernel, but the kernel doesn't automatically scan for and assemble arrays before mounting the root filesystem (afaik) |
| 15:46.14 | Wyzard_ | ruied: The initramfs handles assembling your array and mounting it |
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| 15:47.29 | dacs | why as root i can't create /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall-iptables |
| 15:47.34 | ruied | Wyzard_, ahh, ok... |
| 15:47.38 | Wyzard_ | In general, initramfs is a way for the system to do non-trivial things needed to mount the root filesystem, such as loading driver modules, assembling RAID arrays, and unlocking encrypted volumes |
| 15:48.32 | Wyzard_ | It's loaded into memory by the bootloader at the same time as the kernel, so it's available to the kernel even before any driver modules are loaded, and it can contain things like .ko files and shell scripts |
| 15:49.25 | Wyzard_ | dacs: What happens when you try? |
| 15:50.01 | ruied | Wyzard_, so, initramfs is also a kernel, that mounts the filesystem in to ram, loads the modules, mount the filesystem and do some kind of chroot... is that it? |
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| 15:51.11 | Wyzard_ | ruied: It's not a kernel, it's a collection of files (actually a gzipped cpio archive) that's made available to the kernel at the very beginning of the boot process, completely independent of disks and drivers and such |
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| 15:52.37 | Wyzard_ | ruied: The kernel mounts it and runs its /linuxrc, which is typically a shell script |
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| 15:53.20 | Wyzard_ | ruied: linuxrc does whatever's necessary to get the real root filesystem mounted (loading modules contained within the initramfs, prompting for a password for an encrypted volume, etc.), then uses pivot_root to switch to the real root filesystem, and unmounts the initramfs |
| 15:53.31 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.48 | Wyzard_ | ruied: Then it exec's /sbin/init from the real root filesystem, and the system continues booting normally |
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| 15:54.10 | Wyzard_ | stew: It was /linuxrc under initrd; dunno whether it's different under initramfs |
| 15:55.43 | abrotman | should grub and grub2 conflict? |
| 15:55.50 | ruied | Wyzard_,nice explanation! thanks!! :) |
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| 15:56.54 | ehird | No lame package? |
| 15:57.24 | Wyzard_ | ehird: For patent reasons, no, though debian-multimedia has an unofficial package |
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| 15:58.02 | ehird | I think rarewares.org has a Debian audio repository, actually. |
| 15:58.05 | ehird | I'll check out that/ |
| 15:58.16 | ehird | oh, last updated 2006 and for unstable |
| 15:58.25 | abrotman | !tell ehird about dmm |
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| 15:58.30 | Wyzard_ | abrotman: They probably don't *need* to, but it doesn't make sense to have both |
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| 15:59.41 | Wyzard_ | abrotman: looks like the grub2 packages conflict/replace/provide grub |
| 16:00.14 | Wyzard_ | ehird: Consider using Vorbis instead of MP3 |
| 16:00.25 | abrotman | Wyzard_: the grub2 package has nothing in it to suggest it would require the removal of grub |
| 16:00.41 | abrotman | Wyzard_: ah .. but grub-pc does |
| 16:00.42 | ehird | Wyzard_, I am fully aware of all the formats, of course. |
| 16:00.47 | jetscreamer | grub2 used to conflict iirc, but quit |
| 16:00.56 | ehird | Wyzard_, However, Vorbis is not useful for sending people, especially when they are unable to install software at the current time. |
| 16:01.12 | Wyzard_ | ehird: unfortunately true |
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| 16:01.28 | ehird | Wyzard_, The patent problems baically never manifest anyway. LAME has some clever legal wording. |
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| 16:01.38 | abrotman | tries grub3 |
| 16:01.39 | abrotman | 2 |
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| 16:02.02 | amphi | abrotman: pupa that was? |
| 16:02.07 | abrotman | que? |
| 16:02.10 | dacs | Wyzard_: i get ""/etc/rc.d/rc.firewall-iptables" E212: Can't open file for writing" |
| 16:02.16 | Wyzard_ | abrotman: I've been using it for about a month... it's pretty cool, though it's crazy to see a JPEG decoder in a bootloader |
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| 16:02.51 | Wyzard_ | abrotman: It lacks support for the "map" command which is needed in some dual-boot scenarios, so beware if you use that |
| 16:03.02 | abrotman | Wyzard_: basic dualboot |
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| 16:03.10 | abrotman | honestly wouldn't care if win32 stopped booting |
| 16:04.22 | Wyzard_ | dacs: Most likely, the /etc/rc.d directory doesn't exist so you can't create a file in it |
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| 16:05.01 | abrotman | if i'm not back in a few minutes .. it failed :) |
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| 16:05.19 | dacs | Wyzard_: so should i create one in your opinion |
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| 16:05.34 | dacs | Wyzard_: or should i use the rc.locate |
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| 16:05.42 | Wyzard_ | dacs: I'm guessing you're following the IP Masquerade HOWTO, which is walking you through creating an iptables firewall "by hand" |
| 16:05.43 | mib_1s616yz9 | k |
| 16:06.08 | Wyzard_ | dacs: My recommendation would be to not do that at all, and instead use a firewall package such as FireHOL (which is much easier to maintain) |
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| 16:07.39 | dacs | Wyzard_: but can i use it with ipmasq |
| 16:07.45 | Wyzard_ | yes |
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| 16:08.00 | Wyzard_ | I use FireHOL on my router, in fact |
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| 16:09.12 | maxspacemax | selam |
| 16:09.23 | TwinX | ucghh |
| 16:09.57 | rav1 | hey guys, what does it mean that some packages have been held back, or automatically held back by aptitude when doing safe-upgrade? |
| 16:10.45 | ehird | Hm. What about *creating* RAR filse? |
| 16:10.49 | ehird | I guess you can't do that. |
| 16:11.11 | TwinX | maybe with rar package |
| 16:11.11 | Wyzard_ | ehird: There's a rar package in non-free |
| 16:11.14 | TwinX | not sure |
| 16:12.55 | dacs | Here is what i am trying to do and please give me your suggestions, debian box has 2 eth. eth0 is a wireless card that gets it's internet connection from a linksys wireless router. eth1 is the ethernet built -in mobo and i am trying to connect a device to it |
| 16:13.08 | dacs | eth0 is 192.168.1.100 |
| 16:13.13 | dacs | Here is what i am trying to do and please give me your suggestions, debian box has 2 eth. eth0 is a wireless card that gets it's internet connection from a linksys wireless router. eth1 is the ethernet built -in mobo and i am trying to connect a device to it |
| 16:13.21 | dacs | opps sorry |
| 16:13.23 | dacs | errrr |
| 16:13.25 | Wyzard_ | dacs: You already have a router, so you don't really need to set up another one |
| 16:13.32 | Wyzard_ | It'd be better to set up bridging |
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| 16:14.22 | dacs | Wyzard_: for eth1 |
| 16:14.27 | Wyzard_ | though some wireless cards don't support that |
| 16:15.00 | Wyzard_ | If you bridge eth0 and eth1 together, they act like a 2-port switch |
| 16:15.14 | Wyzard_ | so your other computer connected to eth1 can talk to the Linksys router directly and get an IP from it |
| 16:15.55 | dacs | Wyzard_: hmmm, so i don't need ipmasq you suggest? |
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| 16:15.58 | spacemonkey | i added an IP to hosts.deny, do i need o restart anything? |
| 16:16.11 | Wyzard_ | You don't need routing at all, if you use bridging |
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| 16:16.36 | Wyzard_ | But if you do decide to use IP masquerading, it'd be much better to use something like firehol rather than writing iptables rules by hand |
| 16:16.36 | dacs | Wyzard_: how can i do that please |
| 16:16.49 | dacs | is there is a doc or tut |
| 16:17.01 | Wyzard_ | hmm... when did I acquire this underscore? |
| 16:17.41 | Wyzard | there's http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BRIDGE-STP-HOWTO/index.html |
| 16:17.58 | Wyzard | though that seems to be old (last updated in 2001) |
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| 16:19.33 | Wyzard | but as a short micro-howto: install the bridge-utils package and read "man bridge-utils-interfaces" |
| 16:19.43 | Dionix | i need some help with grub-install |
| 16:19.44 | Dionix | livecd root # grub-install /dev/sda2 |
| 16:19.44 | Dionix | Probing devices to guess BIOS drives. This may take a long time. |
| 16:19.44 | Dionix | sed: can't read /boot/grub/device.map: No such file or directory |
| 16:19.44 | Dionix | grep: /boot/grub/device.map: No such file or directory |
| 16:19.44 | Dionix | /dev/sda2 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
| 16:19.56 | Dionix | but i can mount /dev/sda2 and find /boot/grub/device.map |
| 16:20.00 | Wyzard | Your /etc/network/interfaces file probably currently has an "iface eth0" block |
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| 16:20.25 | Wyzard | Change "eth0" to "br0" there, and add "bridge_ports eth0 eth1" under it |
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| 16:20.49 | bwlang | i'm having some trouble booting from my qla4xxx device... |
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| 16:21.24 | Dionix | maybe device.map is wrong? |
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| 16:21.32 | Dionix | looks ok to me |
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| 16:21.57 | Wyzard | Dionix: looks like "can't read /boot/grub/device.map: No such file or directory" is the root of the problem |
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| 16:22.34 | abrotman | chroot first? |
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| 16:23.28 | Dionix | yeah so how do i fix it? |
| 16:23.29 | bwlang | i'm using an installer that contains the device, but the boot is failing because i have to do echo '- - -' > /sys/class/scsi.../scan |
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| 16:23.39 | bwlang | is there some way to fix this problem? |
| 16:24.02 | abrotman | morse code device? |
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| 16:24.15 | jelly-home | 'rescan everything' |
| 16:24.24 | sas67 | Hi |
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| 16:24.34 | bwlang | abrotman: dah dah dah dit dit dit |
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| 16:25.09 | bwlang | i don't know why /dev/sda is not found until i do this scan. |
| 16:25.21 | jelly-home | bwlang: customize your initramfs, I guess |
| 16:25.24 | sas67 | I have a torrent client in rep,but want later version |
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| 16:25.37 | bwlang | jelly-home - ugh. |
| 16:25.43 | sas67 | How do i get it |
| 16:25.48 | bwlang | i knew i should have bought a disk for this machine. |
| 16:25.50 | Wyzard | !tell sas67 about backports |
| 16:26.16 | bwlang | should the requirement to force a rescan be considered a debian bug? |
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| 16:26.40 | dacs | Wyzard: no man page for bridge |
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| 16:27.01 | bwlang | i'm about to try suse, i've heard that it works properly there. |
| 16:27.11 | bwlang | but i really don't want to switch distros! |
| 16:27.15 | Wyzard | dacs: bridge-utils-interfaces |
| 16:27.59 | dacs | Wyzard: yes, "No manual entry for bridge-utils-interfaces" |
| 16:28.10 | sas67 | Im new to debian |
| 16:28.27 | Wyzard | dacs: Did you install the bridge-utils package? |
| 16:28.31 | sas67 | And not sure what to do |
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| 16:29.20 | dacs | Wyzard: yes |
| 16:30.06 | Wyzard | dacs: oh, sorry, that's a difference in the unstable version of the package |
| 16:30.18 | Wyzard | dacs: In etch, see /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz instead |
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| 16:31.10 | Wyzard | dacs: In particular, look for the line in that file that begins with "pre-up iwconfig", because you may need to do that |
| 16:31.39 | Wyzard | dacs: and read the warning in the paragraph after it, which is telling you that wireless cards might not support being used in a bridge (but it's still worth a try) |
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| 16:33.20 | sixty6murph | hi, want to look at abs-guide for bash scripting. file abs-book.sgml.gz. is there a variation of less (zless/?) that can read this? |
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| 16:33.50 | Wyzard | sixty6murph: If you want to read raw SGML, zless will work |
| 16:34.06 | Wyzard | sixty6murph: but it'd be better to read the HTML or PDF version produced from the SGML source |
| 16:34.21 | abrotman | i think that's what he's asking how to do |
| 16:34.31 | ArtVandalae | Hm... Apache is installed on my machine. but I don't remember installing it. Is there a way to find out when it was installed? |
| 16:34.33 | Wyzard | http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
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| 16:34.48 | Wyzard | http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/abs-guide.pdf |
| 16:35.16 | dacs | Wyzard: ok thank you |
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| 16:36.13 | WaffleMatt | ArtVandalae, check /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 16:36.21 | tymonn | How can i get a LOGITECH MX510 working in DEBIAN SID ?? |
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| 16:36.35 | WaffleMatt | tymonn, thats actually the very mouse my hand is on |
| 16:36.39 | Wyzard | tymonn: Plug it in |
| 16:36.52 | dvs | heh |
| 16:36.56 | tymonn | :D |
| 16:36.57 | dvs | Worked for me |
| 16:37.08 | tymonn | i mean all the buttons getting to work |
| 16:37.27 | WaffleMatt | I never actually managed to get the quicklaunch button to work properly |
| 16:37.29 | tymonn | WaffleMatt: you are a man with taste :D |
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| 16:37.44 | Wyzard | ah, that's a matter of X and application configuration |
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| 16:37.54 | tymonn | i just wanted the BACK and FORWARD to work |
| 16:38.01 | WaffleMatt | tymonn, I used "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 8 9 6 7" |
| 16:38.06 | WaffleMatt | put that in a file |
| 16:38.11 | dvs | tymonn: In the "InputDevice" section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf file: Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" |
| 16:38.12 | WaffleMatt | and then use xmodmap to load it |
| 16:39.01 | dvs | tymonn: and set the protocol to "ExplorerPS/2" |
| 16:40.01 | tymonn | debian:/home/tymonn# apt-cache search xmodmap |
| 16:40.01 | tymonn | python-mmkeys - Multimedia key support as a PyGTK object |
| 16:40.01 | tymonn | x11-xserver-utils - X server utilities |
| 16:40.01 | tymonn | xkeycaps - manipulate X11 keymaps (for xmodmap) graphically |
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| 16:40.26 | tymonn | should i install it all? |
| 16:40.53 | Wyzard | tymonn: no |
| 16:41.02 | WaffleMatt | Uh, I don't know what pacakge xmodmap comes with |
| 16:41.08 | Wyzard | It's in xbase-clients |
| 16:41.14 | Wyzard | which you almost certainly have already |
| 16:41.46 | WaffleMatt | tymonn, what desktop environment do you use? |
| 16:42.01 | Wyzard | oh, wait, you're running sid... it's in x11-server-utils, not xbase-clients |
| 16:42.07 | Wyzard | but again, you almost certainly have that already |
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| 16:42.54 | WaffleMatt | Just type `which xmodmap` and see what comes up |
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| 16:43.38 | tymonn | gnome WaffleMatt |
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| 16:44.36 | WaffleMatt | Okay well I'm not sure how to set up scripts but basically you need to remap some physical buttons on your mouse |
| 16:44.37 | tymonn | i have this returning /usr/bin/xmodmap |
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| 16:45.29 | WaffleMatt | I just found something interesting; apparently there's a ButtonMapping option in your X11 config I wasn't aware of |
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| 16:46.07 | tymonn | by X11 you mean my xorg.conf right |
| 16:46.13 | tymonn | or is it that x11-server-utils |
| 16:46.16 | bwlang | is it possible to add to the initrd from inside the installer? |
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| 16:46.31 | bwlang | or are there not enough tools to rebuild the initrd? |
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| 16:47.31 | tymonn | if ur talkin to me :P i m not really into that :P |
| 16:48.17 | WaffleMatt | tymonn, I know this is from ubuntu, but it is the same for debian |
| 16:48.17 | WaffleMatt | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=485175 |
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| 16:49.07 | jetscreamer | man update-initramfs |
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| 16:49.25 | tymonn | thanks a lot WaffleMatt :) |
| 16:49.26 | jetscreamer | and mkinitrd i think |
| 16:49.46 | Wyzard | mkinitrd is deprecated |
| 16:49.49 | jetscreamer | o |
| 16:49.52 | Wyzard | doesn't work anymore with current kernels |
| 16:50.07 | Wyzard | (Well, mkinitrd itself works, but the resulting initrds don't, because they depend on devfs) |
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| 16:50.18 | Wyzard | It's mkinitramfs now |
| 16:50.27 | jetscreamer | ah that's that vestigal devfs thing i saw |
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| 16:50.39 | jetscreamer | in the beforetimes |
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| 16:51.06 | jetscreamer | (in a woody kernel iirc) |
| 16:51.16 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 16:51.25 | Wyzard | devfs support was removed from the kernel a few versions ago |
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| 16:52.18 | dacs | Wyzard: i really need some help,i get confused when they talk about ports e.g." after waiting for the ports to get to the forwarding status" which ports are they talking about ? and how do i set them up? please |
| 16:53.07 | jetscreamer | the ones you want to forward |
| 16:53.16 | jetscreamer | are the ones they mean |
| 16:53.22 | Inktjet | In which file are the PATH variable settings stored? |
| 16:53.23 | jetscreamer | as in whichever you want |
| 16:53.39 | jetscreamer | .profile and .bash_profile and /etc/profile |
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| 16:53.51 | jetscreamer | gdm also sets/overwrites those |
| 16:54.06 | jetscreamer | if you use gdm it will override those i mean |
| 16:54.09 | Inktjet | anywhere else? |
| 16:54.12 | dacs | jetscreamer: but there is not ports in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 16:54.15 | Inktjet | i don't see PATH= in any of those? |
| 16:54.19 | jetscreamer | dacs: that's all i know |
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| 16:54.45 | jetscreamer | !path |
| 16:54.45 | dpkg | PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It's defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. |
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| 16:55.12 | Wyzard | dacs: "ports" in this case means eth0 and eth1 |
| 16:55.22 | jetscreamer | /etc/profile would be the default, ~/.profile would amend it |
| 16:55.29 | jetscreamer | and gdm.conf would amend that |
| 16:55.47 | jetscreamer | (or so) |
| 16:56.25 | Wyzard | dacs: IIRC, the "forwarding state" for a bridge port basically just means that it's passing traffic to the bridge |
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| 16:56.42 | jetscreamer | o bridging i know nothing nm |
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| 16:57.31 | Wyzard | dacs: When it's first added to the bridge, it's in "learning state" where the bridge is checking whether it's OK to use this port (using the Spanning Tree Protocol to make sure it wouldn't create a loop in the network) |
| 16:57.52 | Wyzard | dacs: After a brief delay, the bridge decides that the port is OK to use, and moves it to forwarding state |
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| 17:00.22 | dacs | Wyzard: ok, before i do anything, my /etc/network/interfaces has 2 blocks 1)eth0 and 2)eth1....should i comment eth1 and do the br0 in eth0? |
| 17:00.55 | Wyzard | dacs: I'd comment out both and then copy the eth0 one to a new br0 one |
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| 17:01.21 | dacs | Wyzard: ahhhh,good one |
| 17:01.52 | tymonn | WaffleMatt: it WORKS :) thank YOU :D |
| 17:02.06 | WaffleMatt | Cool (-: |
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| 17:06.28 | dacs | Wyzard: http://pastebin.ca/989717 |
| 17:07.02 | Wyzard | dacs: Change "auto eth0" to "auto br0" |
| 17:07.33 | Wyzard | dacs: and take out "allow-hotplug eth0" (or change that to "br0" too) |
| 17:07.54 | dacs | Wyzard: ok, |
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| 17:07.59 | Wyzard | dacs: and indent the bridge_ports line under the "iface br0" (though I don't think that actually matters) |
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| 17:08.39 | Bagoor | How can I enable 3D Accelerator for Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller in Debian Lenny ? |
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| 17:10.04 | jelly-home | Bagoor: ought to be enabled by default |
| 17:10.24 | Bagoor | jelly-home, it was in Ubuntu, but not in Debian |
| 17:10.46 | jelly-home | Bagoor: glxinfo|grep renderer ? |
| 17:10.54 | Wyzard | Bagoor: The driver for that is "intel", in the xserver-xorg-video-intel package, but that should be installed and in-use already |
| 17:10.57 | jetscreamer | which module are you using, i810 or intel or what |
| 17:11.05 | jetscreamer | what they said |
| 17:11.33 | Bagoor | jetscreamer, intel |
| 17:11.43 | raflone | Hi Are you using any soft to virtualization other systems ?? I try VirtualBox and i'm satisfacted but i wont know your opinion about this |
| 17:11.43 | jetscreamer | greps for vendor but whichever |
| 17:11.43 | Bagoor | jelly-home, glxinfo is in which package ? |
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| 17:11.55 | jetscreamer | s/won't/want/ |
| 17:12.11 | jelly-home | Bagoor: mesa-utils |
| 17:12.13 | jetscreamer | raflone: ^^ |
| 17:12.20 | jelly-home | !tell Bagoor -about search |
| 17:12.21 | Wyzard | rafailowski: I use VMware (non-free) on my desktop and Xen on a headless system |
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| 17:12.37 | jetscreamer | !lart Wyzard's tab completion |
| 17:12.38 | dpkg | --purges Wyzard's tab completion |
| 17:12.43 | Wyzard | oops |
| 17:12.47 | Wyzard | raflone: ^^^ |
| 17:12.51 | jetscreamer | i almost did the same |
| 17:13.16 | Wyzard | raflone: VMware is like VirtualBox but more mature |
| 17:13.22 | Bagoor | jelly-home, output: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 17:13.29 | jetscreamer | there's why |
| 17:13.39 | valdyn | Bagoor: aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 17:14.01 | jetscreamer | vanishes |
| 17:14.03 | raflone | yes but VMvare is on payid license? i'm not sure about it |
| 17:14.42 | jelly-home | raflone: vmware server is free for noncommercial use |
| 17:15.04 | Wyzard | VMware Workstation is $200 USD |
| 17:15.26 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I believe Server is free for *all* use (they want to get businesses hooked on it so they upgrade to ESX) |
| 17:15.28 | jelly-home | for $200 i can buy a real machine! :-D |
| 17:15.51 | jelly-home | Wyzard: even better |
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| 17:16.47 | Bagoor | valdyn, problem solved :) How did you find out I should install this package ? |
| 17:16.54 | Wyzard | jelly-home: The Server 2.0 beta is quite different from 1.0 btw |
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| 17:17.19 | jelly-home | Wyzard: does it have USB2 support? |
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| 17:17.34 | jetscreamer | Bagoor: what does that glxinfo command return now, out of curiosity |
| 17:17.49 | Wyzard | jelly-home: yes |
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| 17:18.39 | Wyzard | jelly-home: but the dedicated client program is replaced with a web UI for management tasks, and a browser plugin (provided for Firefox and IE only) for viewing the VM's console |
| 17:18.47 | jelly-home | Wyzard: ew. |
| 17:19.00 | cast | holy fucking batshit, oo.o managed to crash. now oo.o manages to refuse to start. i'm impressed. |
| 17:19.11 | Wyzard | jelly-home: and rather than any user with an account on the machine being able to use VMware, it now has its own accounts and permissions system |
| 17:19.12 | Bagoor | jetscreamer, OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GM 20061017 x86/MMX/SSE2 |
| 17:19.29 | Wyzard | jelly-home: The web UI, btw, is written in Java, running in a bundled copy of Tomcat |
| 17:19.31 | jelly-home | !congrats Bagoor |
| 17:19.32 | jetscreamer | ah...thx |
| 17:19.39 | jelly-home | Bagoor: you did it. |
| 17:20.23 | jelly-home | Wyzard: yeah, I saw that on coworker's machine. He's asking for 2 more GB RAM. :-) |
| 17:20.27 | Bagoor | jelly-home, yes, fortunately :) |
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| 17:20.54 | valdyn | Bagoor: your renderer string implicated you used software rendering, thats a mutually exclusive package to -dri hardware accelerated rendering |
| 17:21.01 | Wyzard | jelly-home: It's not quite that heavyweight :-) |
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| 17:21.06 | Dukan | hi |
| 17:21.37 | jelly-home | Wyzard: I knows about tomcats and webapps, won't fool me! :-) |
| 17:21.47 | bwlang | is it enough to add a executable #!/bin/sh script in /etc/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount and rebuild the initrd using update-initramfs - or did i miss a step (to force a rescan of the scsi bus during bootup) |
| 17:22.24 | Wyzard | jelly-home: I develop on JBoss at work, which includes Tomcat... I've seen Weblogic suck up 2GB immediately after starting up, but JBoss is much smaller |
| 17:23.28 | jelly-home | Wyzard: well, he is running a 1GB vm on his machine, firefox and thunderbird, so 2GB is a bit cramped |
| 17:24.08 | jelly-home | Mozilla software leaks like a grampa with bad prostate |
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| 17:24.53 | theuser1 | using g4l ghost for linux to make image file backup for my ext3 partition having the os, error message i get is unable to read from image block 0 , any help? |
| 17:25.08 | Wyzard | jelly-home: yeah, I've upgraded to 4GB (partly for VMware, and partly because I realized I could get the additional 2GB for $65 USD) |
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| 17:25.50 | bwlang | i don't see that my script is added to the initramfs when i run update-initramfs -v... i don't want to screw this up, because it takes a while to do the initial install. |
| 17:26.11 | bwlang | should update-initramfs tell me that it found my script? |
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| 17:29.26 | Bushmills | jelly-home: lots of extensions loaded into firefox? |
| 17:30.29 | theuser1 | using g4l ghost for linux to make image file backup for my ext3 partition having the os, error message i get is unable to read from image block 0 , g4l uses partiimage and that uses the dd comand i think..... any help? |
| 17:30.32 | jelly-home | Bushmills: dunno, but judging by the user I don't believe so |
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| 17:31.17 | Bushmills | i found some of those extensions the cause of a lot of mem leakage in firefox |
| 17:31.33 | Bushmills | compared to a bare profile |
| 17:31.35 | isBEKaml | guys, i have a problem. I try installing java sdk from binary and i get an error like libstdc++.so.t: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory. |
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| 17:32.26 | isBEKaml | ok, it could be a dependency problem. i just tried searching libc files and it returns libc6 as present in my box. |
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| 17:32.29 | isBEKaml | any ideas? |
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| 17:32.35 | jelly-home | isBEKaml: libstdc++.so.t <- t sounds rather wrong |
| 17:32.53 | jelly-home | isBEKaml: java6 or something older? |
| 17:33.06 | pcd | I have installed Debian, but I do not see the GUi what should I do? |
| 17:33.12 | raflone | are You have a stable distro or testing? |
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| 17:33.29 | isBEKaml | no, java EE 5 sdk |
| 17:34.03 | isBEKaml | jelly-home: it's exactly libstdc++.so.5. |
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| 17:34.20 | jelly-home | isBEKaml: take a look at the dependencies of sun-java5-jdk and install them |
| 17:34.57 | bwlang | how can i unpack an initrd to check it out before rebooting? |
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| 17:35.14 | anywhere | hi |
| 17:35.14 | bwlang | i've tried just doing a cpio < but that didn't give me anything useful |
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| 17:36.08 | jelly-home | isBEKaml: libstdc++5 package? :-) |
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| 17:36.56 | WaffleMatt | Hey, I accidentally just buggered /etc/modprobe.conf; is it supposed to load /etc/modprobe.d/ or what goes in there in the debian way of things? |
| 17:37.05 | isBEKaml | jelly-home: how do i look up its dependencies? i mean, i just got a binary file here. |
| 17:37.14 | pcd | How can I install GUI on Debian? |
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| 17:37.38 | WaffleMatt | Actually revoke my previous question, I'll just check another machine |
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| 17:37.58 | isBEKaml | jelly-home: yeah, that's it. but i got libstd6 package here. :) |
| 17:38.00 | jelly-home | isBEKaml: I meant the dependencies for sun-java5-jdk package available in non-free |
| 17:38.08 | jelly-home | !installit |
| 17:38.08 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
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| 17:38.50 | shp | hi |
| 17:38.56 | theuser1 | using g4l ghost for linux to make image file backup for my ext3 partition having the os, error message i get is unable to read from image block 0 , g4l uses partiimage and that uses the dd comand i think..... any help? |
| 17:39.14 | jelly-home | !tell theuser1 about repeat |
| 17:40.03 | shp | i have got ubuntu gusty, and debian interests me, but i'm not so convinced |
| 17:40.10 | shp | can you tell me more about it |
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| 17:40.20 | shp | and why take debian instead ubuntu o0 |
| 17:40.43 | shp | cause we'd say the same thing |
| 17:40.56 | jelly-home | shp: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 17:42.14 | Harekiet | what package would ussually provide /etc/inittab ? |
| 17:42.33 | WormFood | is there a package for debian, that will extract screen shots from a video? I mean like an index, one screen shot every x minutes type of deal? |
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| 17:43.18 | bonez44 | my ssh isn't working...at least not from remote locations..at my office, I can ssh to my primary debian box..from any other machine..either from linux or from win xp using putty.exe .. ssh machinename.com and then user name, pass and i am in, but i am at home now, and I try to ssh to that same machine and I can't get past the login. |
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| 17:43.43 | theuser1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.54 | isBEKaml | jelly-home: i'm looking into it. will update as soon as i get more info. :) |
| 17:43.55 | jelly-home | WormFood: you could do it with mplayer and a script |
| 17:43.56 | bonez44 | intermittently it works, but it's not at all consistent.. |
| 17:44.10 | WormFood | Harekiet, sysvinit? |
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| 17:44.30 | WormFood | jelly-home, won't mplayer just dump EVERY frame to a directory? |
| 17:45.05 | Harekiet | WormFood: hmm thanks lessee |
| 17:45.21 | jelly-home | WormFood: not if you tell it to start at frame X and end a frame later |
| 17:45.34 | jelly-home | WormFood: rtfm. -ss, -endpos |
| 17:45.51 | WormFood | good idea jelly-home, I totally forgot mplayer will do that |
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| 17:47.50 | Wyzard | theuser1: apt-cache show partimage |
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| 17:48.05 | patarok | hello |
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| 17:48.26 | Wyzard | theuser1: though it may be preferable to do a filesystem-level backup with dump/restore or tar |
| 17:49.10 | patarok | could somebody tell me how i find out which videoplayer backend kaffeine uses. i want to free some space and deinstall useless packages |
| 17:49.18 | patarok | ?? |
| 17:49.18 | theuser1 | Wyzard how |
| 17:49.35 | jelly-home | theuser1: partimage works allright for me |
| 17:49.55 | theuser1 | jelly may be my partiimage is old ? |
| 17:50.15 | ruied | Wyzard, I've compiled a 2.6.25 kernel with "make-kpkg" "--initrd" I've installed it but the ramdisk reports that there are no devices found for the arrays: md0 md1 md2 and md3 (my four arrays), what coul I be missing? |
| 17:50.44 | jelly-home | theuser1: you mentioned using something else, not partimage directly |
| 17:50.57 | Wyzard | ruied: hmm... dunno about that, unless you left out support for your disk controller or something |
| 17:51.13 | jelly-home | ruied: /etc/mdadm.conf ? |
| 17:51.21 | theuser1 | jelly-home g4l uses parti |
| 17:51.50 | bonez44 | ssh issues? anyone? |
| 17:52.24 | ruied | Wyzard, it boots from the 2.6.18 kernel, the 2.6.25 was based on the /boot/config-2.6.18 |
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| 17:52.50 | ruied | jelly-home, it works with the 2.6.18... mdadm.conf should be ok... I think... |
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| 17:54.11 | Wyzard | ruied: Importing a config from an older kernel doesn't necessarily guarantee that everything is configured correctly for the new one |
| 17:54.26 | Wyzard | ruied: Configuration options (or drivers themselves) sometimes get renamed, for example |
| 17:55.09 | Wyzard | ruied: Do you actually need a custom-build 2.6.25 btw? |
| 17:55.22 | ruied | Wyzard, going to check that... |
| 17:55.31 | Wyzard | ruied: I'm assuming you're running etch since you had 2.6.18 before, but backports.org has a 2.6.22 for etch, which would be a lot simpler to install and use |
| 17:56.00 | Wyzard | ruied: or you could pull the 2.6.24 package from testing/unstable (and unstable will probably have 2.6.25 packages before long) |
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| 17:57.26 | ruied | Wyzard, I need a kernel above 2.6.22 that has an "attansic 1000Mb" ethernet driver interface (building an asterisk box) |
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| 17:57.49 | riddicule | Hey guys I am using debian as two endpoints for a VPN, trying to get a tun0 device configured, how do i do it? |
| 17:57.53 | riddicule | i've tried mknod |
| 17:58.06 | ruied | so, I went to kernel.org and decided to compile one... |
| 17:58.20 | ruied | Wyzard, never worked with backport... have to check that... |
| 17:59.19 | Wyzard | ruied: You need a gigabit card for VoIP? |
| 18:00.03 | ruied | Wyzard, nop, it's an onboard card |
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| 18:02.06 | tymonn | how do i reinstall gnome? |
| 18:02.15 | tymonn | whats the name of the app that manages the volume? |
| 18:02.25 | jelly-home | ruied: if you're going to run asterisk, you probably want your own kernel anyway. To set HZ=1000, for one thing |
| 18:02.36 | tralalaptop | riddicule: VPN using what? |
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| 18:02.50 | riddicule | openvpn |
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| 18:03.00 | riddicule | debian network 1 -> openvpn -> debian network 2 |
| 18:03.05 | tralalaptop | tymonn: gnome-volume-manager |
| 18:03.42 | CalJohn | Are there any chm viewers better than gnochm? |
| 18:03.42 | tralalaptop | riddicule: openvpn has excellent documentation. If you follow it you'll be able to set it up without trouble. |
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| 18:04.11 | ruied | jelly-home, what is the advantage? I've already configured some asterisk boxes but never heard of that 'HZ=1000' |
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| 18:04.16 | tralalaptop | CalJohn: there's a decompiler |
| 18:04.23 | CalJohn | tralalaptop: oh, details? |
| 18:04.35 | CalJohn | tralalaptop: converting to pdf/ps would be excellent |
| 18:04.37 | tralalaptop | CalJohn: aptitude search ~dchm.*decompile |
| 18:04.49 | jelly-home | ruied: you need to lower latency for asterisk as far as possible, right? |
| 18:05.02 | riddicule | tralalaptop, i was following a tutorial on debianplanet and the tun device command didnt work, perhaps ill try official docs. |
| 18:05.02 | CalJohn | tralalaptop: archmage, apparantly |
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| 18:05.36 | ruied | jelly-home, yep |
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| 18:05.50 | tralalaptop | riddicule: openvpn sets up the tun device itself - you don't need to do it manually. You might need to load the module however. |
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| 18:07.55 | CalJohn | tralalaptop: there is also chm2pdf |
| 18:08.24 | tralalaptop | CalJohn, oh, that's nice - I didn't know that on |
| 18:08.40 | anywhere | How add lib path for $LD_LIBRRY_PATH (in .bash_profile) that after relogin there wasn't empty ? |
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| 18:09.19 | apt_get | hi |
| 18:09.21 | tralalaptop | anywhere, ask #bash |
| 18:09.22 | ruied | jelly-home, thanks |
| 18:09.26 | apt_get | when i mkfs any partition, can i know how many its take? like inde percent or other values? |
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| 18:09.48 | anywhere | join bash |
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| 18:10.22 | KaiK | hi guys.. iam trying to set some limits in /etc/security/limits.conf for a special user. |
| 18:10.38 | KaiK | is there a way to check the result ie with ulimit? |
| 18:10.45 | isBEKaml | @jelly-home: i just checked everything up. the java sdk 5 surely depends on libstdc++5 while i got libstdc++6. does this mean i have to downgrade to libstdc++5 and install? |
| 18:10.54 | tralalaptop | KaiK, yes, there is - with ulimit |
| 18:11.01 | KaiK | i think ilimit only shows me the limits of mine, ie root if iam logged in as root |
| 18:11.08 | WaffleMatt | Rather silly question: Whats the name of the app in KDE that is essentially a "run command" app? |
| 18:11.18 | stew | isBEKaml: you can have both libstdc++6 and libstdc++5 installed at the same time |
| 18:11.28 | tralalaptop | KaiK, log as the user |
| 18:11.37 | KaiK | mhh |
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| 18:20.32 | CalJohn | tralalaptop: I'm using chm2pdf right now, it output _very_ nice pdfs. thanks for the help |
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| 18:22.24 | dew | i'm trying to install debian, but the installer freezes when looking for my cd-rom |
| 18:22.25 | tralalaptop | CalJohn, you're welcome |
| 18:22.32 | dew | i'm using the netinstall cd |
| 18:22.43 | dew | kubuntu installs fine on the same machine |
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| 18:22.58 | dew | but i want a more stripped down distro like debian |
| 18:23.38 | dew | does debianlive cd have an installer? |
| 18:24.21 | Wyzard | dew: When it hangs, look on the other virtual consoles (Alt-F3, Alt-F4, maybe others) for kernel messages that might indicate the cause of the problem |
| 18:24.46 | Wyzard | dew: It might be that it found the CD but is having problems reading certain files from it, due to a bad burn or something |
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| 18:27.07 | dew | Wyzard, it shows a bunch of lost interrupt errors |
| 18:27.20 | dew | dmv_timer_expiry |
| 18:27.23 | dew | dma |
| 18:27.31 | Badenser | Hi all, I had many problems with truncated libraries according to ldconfig (amd64, lenny). Is there a known problem or might there be a problem with my system? |
| 18:27.41 | Wyzard | That indicates a communication problem with the drive, I think |
| 18:27.50 | Wyzard | could be a driver issue, or could be a bad cable |
| 18:28.21 | Wyzard | Badenser: I've been running amd64 sid for a year and a half and never seen a truncated library |
| 18:29.12 | Badenser | Wyzard, I used testing on ia32 for a long time and did not have a problem ... I would not say its a problem of lenny ... but I have no idea where to start searching |
| 18:29.18 | dew | Wyzard, don't think it's a bad cable: the debian netinstall is the only time that my cd-rom gives me problems |
| 18:29.28 | Badenser | Wyzard, ram seems okay, fs seems okay, surface seems okay ... |
| 18:29.31 | AKX | I'm running Debian Stable, but I'd really need mod_python compiled for Python 2.5. What is the best way to do this? |
| 18:30.38 | dew | i've tried with all-generic-ide=1, still no luck |
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| 18:46.11 | action09 | dew moduels loaded ? cdrom..etc to verify which one is loaded.. i dunno it's a "hint".. |
| 18:46.15 | action09 | modules |
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| 18:46.24 | vjoe | hey |
| 18:46.43 | action09 | and compare list with those loaded by ubuntu |
| 18:49.23 | dew | action09, ide_cd and cdrom are loaded |
| 18:49.40 | dew | not sure about ubuntu... i uninstalled it awhile back |
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| 18:51.56 | vjoe | how can I make the files in the ~/desktop directory to appear in the desktop, in openbox? |
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| 18:52.25 | dew | wait, now it says "Scanning CD-ROM" "Scanning /cdrom/pool/main/a..." |
| 18:52.33 | dew | and it's stuck at 2% |
| 18:52.54 | petemc | vjoe: http://wiki.debian.org/Openbox |
| 18:53.43 | vjoe | petemc, thank you |
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| 18:56.14 | St0n3-C0l | I am doing 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb' but it's saying Permission Denied |
| 18:56.15 | St0n3-C0l | why is so? |
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| 18:56.42 | St0n3-C0l | For installation from usb stick |
| 18:56.49 | tralalaptop | St0n3-C0l, you're not root? |
| 18:57.15 | Shadow_mil | St0n3-C0l, because you don't have write permissions to /dev/sdb or read permissions to the img file |
| 18:57.18 | St0n3-C0l | hmm |
| 18:57.22 | St0n3-C0l | now it works |
| 18:57.26 | St0n3-C0l | i was using 'sudo |
| 18:57.38 | St0n3-C0l | tralalaptop: Thanks |
| 18:57.46 | St0n3-C0l | done |
| 18:58.11 | tralalaptop | St0n3-C0l, sure |
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| 19:01.20 | KaiK | mhh i really dont know if setting some value in /etc/security/limits.conf worked.. |
| 19:01.21 | KaiK | anyone knows how to call the value of a user (nofile)? |
| 19:01.24 | octox2 | what does depmod -a do just before loading modules via modprobe ? |
| 19:01.56 | AKX | Okay.. How would I compile a package from source and install it? |
| 19:02.10 | Wyzard | octox2: scans the dependencies of all the modules and generates the modules.dep file, which is read by modprobe |
| 19:03.39 | octox2 | so it is smart to do that just before loading modules I take it :) |
| 19:04.11 | Wyzard | Well, it only needs to be re-run when the set of available modules has changed |
| 19:04.20 | Wyzard | and packages which provide modules run it automatically when installed |
| 19:04.25 | Wyzard | so you generally don't need to run depmod manually |
| 19:04.30 | octox2 | ahhhh :) cool |
| 19:04.33 | octox2 | thanks |
| 19:04.57 | Wyzard | You might need it if you build and install modules manually (i.e. not through a package) |
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| 19:05.23 | tralalaptop | KaiK, set a hard limit - it wasn't working for me until I set the hard limit |
| 19:05.33 | dew | anyone know if i can install from a debianlive cd? |
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| 19:06.10 | KaiK | theusername - nofile 10000 |
| 19:06.17 | Wyzard | dew: If it doesn't have a regular installer on it, you could do a debootstrap install, but that's more difficult and fairly tedious |
| 19:06.17 | KaiK | do you think that works? |
| 19:06.27 | KaiK | - for setting hard and softlimit |
| 19:06.56 | dew | Wyzard, any way to find out without burning the cd? |
| 19:06.59 | KaiK | but: how can i check that my system accepted setting it if "theusername" has no shell login |
| 19:07.06 | Wyzard | dew: I've never used debianlive, sorry |
| 19:07.13 | tralalaptop | KaiK, I don't know. I have two lines - one for each limit |
| 19:07.30 | KaiK | soft one line and hard one line? |
| 19:07.33 | tralalaptop | KaiK, experimentally |
| 19:07.50 | KaiK | in which order? |
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| 19:10.13 | tralalaptop | I don't think it matters |
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| 19:10.46 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 19:11.09 | KomiaPoika | i changed my kdm login display from kcontrol, but i still get the debian logo... am i missing something? |
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| 19:30.05 | arcsky | Im trying to configure my apache2 with SSL i followed this guide http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/349 but i can't find apache2-ssl-certificate. How can i find/get it ? |
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| 19:41.06 | bradley_ | for some reason, each time i restart my computer i have to type "dhclient eth0" to get internet access. |
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| 19:42.59 | AlexMoore | Please check out my website: You can make money!!! http://snipurl.com/250dk |
| 19:43.31 | bradley_ | loser. |
| 19:44.02 | amphi | not a passing philanthropist? ;) |
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| 19:49.44 | bradley_ | so amphi, do you have an answer to my question |
| 19:51.40 | Kulu | check your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:51.57 | bradley_ | check them for what |
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| 19:52.46 | Kulu | for "auto eth0 |
| 19:52.46 | Kulu | iface eth0 inet dhcp " |
| 19:53.12 | bradley_ | yea i have that in there. |
| 19:54.08 | bradley_ | why can't i remove gnome? |
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| 19:54.50 | Kulu | aptitude remove gnome? |
| 19:55.18 | bradley_ | lol. |
| 19:55.25 | bradley_ | "no such package" |
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| 19:55.32 | bradley_ | i did apt-get --purge remove libgnome* :O |
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| 19:57.27 | Robak | I have doubt about EXIM daemon Debian in standart configuration run this daemon Are you using it to something on your desktop I thing that it's unnecessary What about you thinking? |
| 19:57.49 | bradley_ | ? |
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| 19:58.05 | Ntemis | hello |
| 19:58.15 | Robak | Something is not clear in my question? |
| 19:58.17 | Ntemis | what is the channel for debian lenny? |
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| 19:59.16 | brianski | is sarge supported anymore? |
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| 19:59.38 | Ntemis | i need lenny support please |
| 19:59.47 | Wyzard | brianski: lenny isn't officially supported anywhere since it isn't released, but this would be the place to ask about it |
| 20:00.13 | brianski | Wyzard: i think you were talking to Ntemis ;-) |
| 20:00.13 | Ntemis | :) thanks man |
| 20:00.16 | brianski | i was asking about sarge |
| 20:00.20 | tralalaptop | brianski, how do you define "supported"? |
| 20:00.21 | Wyzard | oops |
| 20:00.22 | brianski | has it reached EOL? |
| 20:00.26 | brianski | ie, no more security updates |
| 20:00.35 | Wyzard | brianski: well, as for sarge, http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229 |
| 20:00.45 | tralalaptop | brianski, yes, it has |
| 20:01.06 | Ntemis | i dont have compiz fusion and i am on via unichrome pro (onboard) |
| 20:01.13 | Ntemis | how i add the driver |
| 20:01.33 | Ntemis | i tried add unichrome driver but i couldnt login to x |
| 20:01.35 | brianski | thx all |
| 20:01.56 | Ntemis | i need unichrome pro specific? |
| 20:02.11 | bradley_ | uhh |
| 20:02.12 | bradley_ | SERIOUSLy |
| 20:02.24 | Ntemis | is via Uni Pro supports compiz fusion? |
| 20:02.24 | bradley_ | why the hell do i have to keep typing dhclient eth0 to keep my connection up |
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| 20:02.57 | Wyzard | bradley_: You're not supposed to run the DHCP client manually... use ifup/ifdown |
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| 20:03.07 | Ntemis | second one:how i add the latest x.25 kernel |
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| 20:03.29 | Ntemis | anyone can help me out? |
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| 20:04.04 | bradley_ | Wyzard: uhh, well ..i shouldn't have to keep doing either of those? |
| 20:04.06 | Wyzard | Ntemis: Wait for 2.6.25 to be packaged |
| 20:04.11 | Wyzard | bradley_: No, you shouldn't |
| 20:04.14 | bradley_ | okay so what's the problem |
| 20:04.29 | bradley_ | i -just- finished installing debian...so i really haven't configured/edited anything |
| 20:04.45 | bradley_ | but i shouldn't have to. i have a modem that is directly connected, no routing, nothing like that |
| 20:05.03 | Ntemis | Wyzard :will it soon? |
| 20:06.08 | Ntemis | how i enable compiz on via Unichrome pro |
| 20:06.31 | Ntemis | how i can double click on a deb file and autoinstall it? |
| 20:06.37 | Ntemis | like in ubuntu! |
| 20:06.47 | Ntemis | with debi |
| 20:06.50 | Wyzard | Ntemis: It'll probably be in unstable before long, though it varies how long that takes (sometimes it's a day or two, sometimes it's a few weeks) |
| 20:06.55 | Ntemis | i cannot find debi anywhere |
| 20:07.01 | Wyzard | Ntemis: After that, it'll propagate to lenny in the normal way |
| 20:07.14 | octox2 | is ip_conntrack now changed to nf_conntrack in debian too ? |
| 20:07.15 | Ntemis | wyz: i can wait |
| 20:07.26 | Ntemis | wyz:thanks for the answers |
| 20:07.30 | Wyzard | Ntemis: As for Compiz, it sounds like your real question is about 3D acceleration in general |
| 20:07.47 | Ntemis | so you think is possible? |
| 20:07.59 | Wyzard | Ntemis: I have no idea whether the Unichrome supports 3D acceleration |
| 20:08.13 | Ntemis | it does! |
| 20:08.28 | Ntemis | the question is does the x support it |
| 20:08.42 | Ntemis | or the kernel has the drivers for it |
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| 20:10.27 | Wyzard | octox2: hmm, looks like ip_conntrack no longer exists in the packaged 2.6.24 |
| 20:10.54 | Wyzard | octox2: They existed side-by-side for awhile |
| 20:10.56 | Ntemis | wyz: looks like am on mesa driver |
| 20:11.04 | Ntemis | how i change that? |
| 20:11.23 | octox2 | i see, thanks Wyzard |
| 20:11.25 | bradley_ | kog] |
| 20:11.32 | Wyzard | Ntemis: Mesa isn't a driver, it's the OpenGL implementation |
| 20:11.58 | Wyzard | Ntemis: You want to enable Mesa DRI (direct rendering) for your video driver, so that Mesa can do accelerated 3D on it |
| 20:12.22 | Ntemis | i see |
| 20:12.27 | Wyzard | Ntemis: What xorg driver are you using? |
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| 20:12.46 | Ntemis | tell me the wrord to type on bash to tell you back |
| 20:13.29 | Wyzard | Ntemis: Look for Driver lines in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:13.49 | action09 | Wyzard ip_conntrack no longer exists in the packaged 2.6.24 , ins't it a module ? by what is it replaced so ? thanks :) |
| 20:14.17 | Wyzard | action09: ip_conntrack was for IPv4 only; it's superseded by nf_conntrack which supports both IPv4 and IPv6 |
| 20:14.25 | octox2 | Wyzard: i am reading about iptables, and where they tell you to load the modules, they are diferent now it seems, and in Suse there are alot more nf_conntrack mods (like nf_conntrack_ipv6:nf_conntrack_ipv4) Just wonder if these are now needed and the tutorial I am reading is a little outdated as far as this goes ? |
| 20:14.34 | action09 | Wyzard ah ok thanks :) |
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| 20:15.26 | Wyzard | octox2: better to use a firewall package (I recommend firehol) rather than write iptables rules by hand |
| 20:16.24 | Wyzard | octox2: nv_conntrack_ipv4 and nf_conntrack_ipv6 both exist on my system, btw |
| 20:16.48 | Wyzard | nf_conntrack is the common module that they both depend on |
| 20:17.25 | octox2 | Wyzard: what is guarddog like ? |
| 20:17.28 | octox2 | Wyzard: any good? |
| 20:17.35 | Wyzard | no idea; I've never used it |
| 20:17.49 | Wyzard | I've used Shorewall and FireHOL |
| 20:17.58 | Wyzard | and I prefer FireHOL (configuration is much more succinct and readable) |
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| 20:18.31 | octox2 | Wyzard: are there any that tell you about incomming and outgoing connection attempts, and ask you what you want to do about it ? |
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| 20:19.04 | Wyzard | octox2: Not that I know of... iptables can't do that |
| 20:19.25 | scout_ | hello, how do i set ip forwarding to stay on after reboot? currently i have to run echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward each time |
| 20:19.25 | Wyzard | octox2: and Linux firewall packages are really frontends which generate iptables rules based on configuration files |
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| 20:19.38 | rebelion | howdy |
| 20:20.00 | octox2 | Wyzard: yea, there are ways to monitor connections though right? |
| 20:20.01 | Wyzard | scout_: Edit /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 20:20.10 | Wyzard | octox2: yes, netstat among others |
| 20:20.10 | ErdNutButterHead | Hello, how do i set /etc/init.d/ssh to not start on boot until i wish it to? |
| 20:20.12 | bradley_ | velma |
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| 20:20.40 | octox2 | Wyzard: i guess if you disallow all but what you want to access, you dont really need to worry about it |
| 20:20.42 | Wyzard | scout_: Alternatively, firewall packages often enable forwarding automatically if they're configured to |
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| 20:21.01 | scout_ | wyzard, awesome i found it. uncommented the line for ipv4 forwarding. thank you sir :) |
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| 20:21.26 | octox2 | Wyzard: what about a trojen that might use ports and such and pretent to be another app ? |
| 20:21.36 | Wyzard | scout_: e.g. on my router I haven't edited sysctl.conf; I get forwarding by virtue of having a "router" stanza in my FireHOL configuration |
| 20:21.39 | scout_ | one more question, i have setup this box as a router (dual-wan) and after each reboot i have to set the default gw, where do i set this manually so it persists after reboot? |
| 20:22.02 | rebelion | I have an AMD64 x2 running debian etch 32bit. I am creating a custom kernel. which processor family category best suites it? Opteron/Athlon64/Hammer/k8?? |
| 20:22.08 | scout_ | wyzard, got ya, i have used a few iptables scripts that auto turn it on for me as well like homeLANsecurity (rocks) |
| 20:22.56 | Wyzard | octox2: a) if you have a trojan on your system, you have a bigger problem than what ports it's listening on; b) the type of firewall you're asking about wouldn't help with that anyway |
| 20:23.14 | Wyzard | rebelion: That's an appropriate choice |
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| 20:24.19 | rebelion | Wyzard: yes. it seemed that way but there is a very small description of the type of processors that fall under that category. Thanks. |
| 20:25.10 | Ntemis | wyz:Mesa glx indirect version 1.4(2.1 mesa 7.01) |
| 20:25.30 | Ntemis | wyz:direct rendering: No |
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| 20:25.40 | Ntemis | direct rendering no |
| 20:25.54 | nascentmind | hi |
| 20:26.21 | nascentmind | i get a very clunky interface for ice weasel.. why is that? this happens for eclipse too.. |
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| 20:27.22 | Wyzard | nascentmind: "clunky" doesn't tell us much about what problem you're seeing |
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| 20:28.02 | nascentmind | Wyzard, i am not getting the same interface as kate,or kdevelop |
| 20:28.11 | Wyzard | nascentmind: You're running KDE? |
| 20:28.15 | nascentmind | Wyzard, the progress bar and stuff like that is just a box. |
| 20:28.19 | nascentmind | Wyzard, yes |
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| 20:28.38 | Wyzard | nascentmind: Eclipse and Iceweasel (I believe) both do their rendering through GTK, which is a different UI toolkit than KDE uses, with a separate theming system |
| 20:28.49 | Wyzard | nascentmind: sounds like you're seeing a bland ugly GTK theme |
| 20:28.53 | nascentmind | Wyzard, yes i thought so. |
| 20:29.04 | nascentmind | Wyzard, what can i do to change that? |
| 20:29.05 | ick | Does Google Earth work in a 32 bit chroot in Debian x86-64? |
| 20:29.10 | bradley_ | sigh |
| 20:29.31 | Wyzard | ick: Even better: the "googleearth-package" package has a tool to build a .deb from Google's .bin download |
| 20:29.44 | Wyzard | ick: no chroot needed; you can install it directly |
| 20:29.47 | ick | xorg uses 80% CPU and Google Earth uses 20%. |
| 20:29.54 | jelly-home | Wyzard: iceweasel just picks the colors from gtk but actually has its own widget set |
| 20:30.00 | Wyzard | ah |
| 20:30.10 | ick | The older version worked fine on the Windows installation on this machine. |
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| 20:30.18 | greeg | hi |
| 20:30.21 | maligor | doesn't it also pick up some widgets |
| 20:30.29 | jelly-home | possibly |
| 20:30.30 | ick | This machine only has a 32MB RIVA TNT2 graphics card. |
| 20:30.30 | maligor | like the scrollbar |
| 20:30.33 | Wyzard | nascentmind: Take a look at the gtk-theme-switch package |
| 20:30.38 | ick | Is that too little? |
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| 20:31.11 | Wyzard | very possibly, though I don't really know |
| 20:31.12 | greeg | im aware that all linux systems have only one root directory. but i would also like to install an additional distro for experimental purposes but dont know where to start. |
| 20:31.12 | jelly-home | maligor: its scrollbar is way uglier than my themes gtk+ one, so I guess "no" |
| 20:31.17 | Wyzard | That's a pretty old card |
| 20:31.49 | ick | Wyzard: I know, but it seems glxgears also doesn't use hardware acceleration. |
| 20:32.12 | Wyzard | then your problem isn't Google Earth, it's lack of 3D acceleration |
| 20:32.28 | ick | Wyzard: yep |
| 20:32.29 | Wyzard | The open-source "nv" driver doesn't do 3D |
| 20:32.35 | Wyzard | You need the non-free nvidia-legacy driver |
| 20:32.47 | maligor | jelly-home, it just somewhat follows my gtk scrollbar |
| 20:33.32 | ick | Wyzard: but that wants to remove xorg |
| 20:33.43 | jelly-home | maligor: I'm using the gtk-qrengine |
| 20:33.46 | ick | Wyzard: that = when I do that, synaptic wants to remove xorg |
| 20:33.47 | jelly-home | argh |
| 20:33.58 | Wyzard | ick: Are you running lenny? |
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| 20:35.12 | jelly-home | maligor: gtk-qt-engine, so qt and gtk apps look almost the same. firefox, er, iceweasel gets the colors right, but not much else |
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| 20:35.46 | ick | Wyzard: I have had stable in my sources.list for a long time. |
| 20:36.09 | ick | Wyzard: it appears that the machine stalls when I do Contr-Alt-F1 |
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| 20:36.12 | ick | Wyzard: :/ |
| 20:36.22 | Wyzard | ick: *only* stable? Or do you also have "lenny" or "testing" in your sources.list? |
| 20:36.29 | nascentmind | Wyzard, what does it do? |
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| 20:36.43 | ick | Wyzard: I have entry with unstable multimedia stuff, otherwise all stable. |
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| 20:37.11 | ick | an entry* |
| 20:37.24 | Wyzard | ick: Run "apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-legacy" |
| 20:37.38 | Wyzard | ick: Does it show version 1.0.7184-3 and nothing else? |
| 20:37.48 | ick | Wyzard: the legacy driver doesn't support my card |
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| 20:37.55 | ick | Wyzard: according to the description. |
| 20:38.01 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 20:38.13 | Wyzard | Well, if even the legacy driver doesn't support a TNT2, then you're stuck |
| 20:38.14 | ick | Wyzard: on Windows, I am pretty sure that it does. |
| 20:38.27 | Wyzard | but it should support the same hardware on Linux that it does on Windows |
| 20:38.37 | ick | Wyzard: (not saying Windows is better in any way, or implying anything) |
| 20:38.39 | scout_ | wyzard, i just rebooted and tested, uncommenting net.ipv4.conf.default.forwarding=1 did not work i still needed to "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 20:38.56 | Wyzard | though maybe you were using an older verison of the driver on Windows, and they could've removed support in later versions |
| 20:38.58 | ick | Wyzard: it? |
| 20:39.13 | ick | Wyzard: that could be so. |
| 20:39.19 | Wyzard | "it" being nVidia's driver |
| 20:39.26 | jelly-home | ick: try to get a radeon 9200 or something else that works well with free drivers |
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| 20:40.10 | ick | jelly-home: this is not my main machine, but I will buy as free as possible in the future for hassle free computing. |
| 20:40.41 | ick | "Free" |
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| 20:40.59 | Wyzard | ick: Anyway, what version of nvidia-glx-legacy does "apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-legacy" say is available? |
| 20:41.45 | ick | Wyzard: 1.0.7184-3 |
| 20:41.58 | scout_ | brb |
| 20:42.00 | Wyzard | ick: How about xorg? |
| 20:42.15 | rellis | If I add unstable to my apt sources.list will it attempt to use these pakces in an "apt-get upgrade"? I am trying to get "heartbeat-2" from unstable but I don't want much else. How could I make this happen? |
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| 20:42.19 | ick | Wyzard: 1:7.3+2 |
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| 20:42.37 | ick | Wyzard: kind of odd version |
| 20:42.38 | Wyzard | ick: That's not etch's version of xorg |
| 20:42.50 | Wyzard | ick: what's the source URL listed for that? |
| 20:43.25 | ick | Wyzard: 500 ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org stable/main Packages? |
| 20:43.54 | Wyzard | for 1:7.3+2? |
| 20:43.59 | bradley_ | 12.:3 |
| 20:44.00 | vvd | how would i get gtk-gnutella on my etch box? |
| 20:44.04 | ick | Wyzard: just copy pasting, yes |
| 20:44.05 | bradley_ | lol |
| 20:44.14 | bradley_ | vvd: i had that problem the other day |
| 20:44.18 | Wyzard | ick: Can you pastebin the whole output of that apt-cache command? |
| 20:44.23 | vvd | bradley_: :) |
| 20:44.40 | bradley_ | vvd: compile it from source |
| 20:44.40 | vvd | bradley_: what was your solution then |
| 20:44.44 | vvd | aaaah |
| 20:44.58 | scout_ | wyzard, strange but i when i uncommented that line it did not work, but i found documentation to add net.ipv4.conf.all.forwarding=1 and it worked. Just for your mental database ;) |
| 20:45.01 | scout_ | the only difference being .all. included |
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| 20:45.13 | rellis | So is there no way to get heartbeat-2 from unstable without affecting everything else on the box? |
| 20:45.16 | vvd | bradley_: well, why not |
| 20:45.31 | ick | Wyzard: http://paste.debian.net/1137/ |
| 20:45.44 | vvd | bradley_: will the lenny sources do? |
| 20:45.49 | vvd | without much editing |
| 20:46.09 | Wyzard | scout_: hmm... the "all" is what I'd expect, actually -- looks like a bug in the default sysctl.conf :-) |
| 20:46.25 | scout_ | wyzard, thanks for your help ;) |
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| 20:47.03 | Wyzard | ick: That's 1:7.3+2 from /var/lib/dpkg/status (representing packages currently installed on your system) and 1:7.1.0-19 from the archive at ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 20:47.31 | ick | Wyzard: ok |
| 20:47.39 | Wyzard | ick: 1:7.3+2 is newer than the xorg in lenny, but older than the one in sid |
| 20:47.57 | Wyzard | ick: so basically, you're running etch, but you've installed a (no-longer-current) copy of unstable's xorg |
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| 20:48.09 | Wyzard | ick: which is not compatible with etch's nVidia driver |
| 20:48.18 | ick | Wyzard: but that's still irrelevant, right? |
| 20:48.35 | Wyzard | ick: It's relevant because you can't install etch's nvidia-glx-legacy driver with that xorg |
| 20:49.06 | ick | Wyzard: (as in: there is no way I am going to get glxgears to work (and thus no Google Earth) without getting another graphics card) |
| 20:49.12 | Wyzard | ick: Any idea why you installed an unstable xorg? |
| 20:49.46 | Wyzard | ick: Well, if the legacy driver supports a TNT2 then it should work (though I wouldn't expect great performance) |
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| 20:50.00 | ick | Wyzard: the legacy driver doesn't support it. |
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| 20:50.18 | rellis | If I add unstable to my apt sources.list will it attempt to use these pakces in an "apt-get upgrade"? I am trying to get "heartbeat-2" from unstable but I don't want to upgrade everything else to "unstable". How could I make this happen? |
| 20:51.24 | ick | Wyzard: it seems the old drivers are still available. |
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| 20:51.34 | KomiaPoika | i changed my kdm login display style and background from kcontrol, but i still get the debian logo... am i missing something? |
| 20:51.39 | ick | Wyzard: did the kernel interface change in that time? |
| 20:51.39 | bradley_ | kz. |
| 20:51.53 | Wyzard | ick: looks to me like the 76xx versions of nvidia-legacy do support the TNT2 |
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| 20:52.21 | Wyzard | ick: though newer versions don't, but that doesn't matter since 76xx is newer than what's in etch |
| 20:52.55 | embkas | how do i integrate the subtitle with a movie - which programme do I use? |
| 20:52.58 | ick | Wyzard: so, I should just deinstall the current xorg version, get the stable version and then the legacy package and done? |
| 20:53.07 | Wyzard | ick: The incompatibility with the newer xorg is actually because of a change in xorg's driver ABI |
| 20:53.11 | Wyzard | ick: Yes, that'd be my recommendation |
| 20:53.17 | ick | Wyzard: thank you |
| 20:53.18 | Wyzard | ick: Do you know why you upgraded xorg in the first place? |
| 20:53.41 | ick | Wyzard: probably because I wanted a newer version of a package that depended on a newer xorg. |
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| 20:54.30 | Wyzard | ick: If you added unstable to your sources.list and did any upgrades while it was there, you may have newer versions of other things too |
| 20:54.50 | Wyzard | ick: so you shouldn't consider yourself to be running etch... you're running "not-quite-etch"... be aware that you may run into other problems because of this |
| 20:55.04 | ick | Wyzard: ok |
| 20:55.14 | nascentmind | Wyzard, the gtk theme switch only has the same crappy themes.. |
| 20:55.22 | ick | Wyzard: I will now execute the plan. Bye |
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| 20:55.40 | nascentmind | Wyzard, anyway i can get the default kde theme applied to those windows? |
| 20:55.54 | Wyzard | nascentmind: Use the gtk-qt-engine that someone mentioned earlier |
| 20:56.13 | Wyzard | nascentmind: GTK programs can't directly use QT themes (aka KDE themes) |
| 20:56.57 | nascentmind | Wyzard, great! so i will be stuck with those UI huh? |
| 20:57.16 | scout_ | i cant get the default gw to stick anywhere. i have tried adding ip route add default gw (ip) in /etc/network/interfaces and in /etc/iproute2/rt_tables and no luck |
| 20:57.23 | Wyzard | nascentmind: No, that's why you use gtk-qt-engine |
| 20:57.34 | Wyzard | nascentmind: It's a GTK theme that mirrors your QT theme |
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| 20:58.34 | nascentmind | k |
| 20:58.39 | bradley_ | what are you talking about mayne |
| 20:58.48 | bradley_ | gettext it -still- compiling |
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| 20:58.50 | bradley_ | after like thirty minutes |
| 20:58.53 | bradley_ | im going to bash my goat |
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| 20:59.17 | Famic | anyone could help me configure subversion by any chance ? |
| 20:59.25 | bradley_ | whoops, wrong window |
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| 21:02.08 | bradley_ | l.o.l |
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| 21:02.14 | bradley_ | the 'movie' has to have the subtitle file with it |
| 21:02.18 | bradley_ | the .srt (i believe) |
| 21:02.20 | nascentmind | Wyzard, i installled the engine and logged out of the session and logged in.. i am not seeing any change.. |
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| 21:02.38 | Wyzard | nascentmind: Use gtk-theme-switch to activate the new theme |
| 21:03.11 | Wyzard | nascentmind: and you shouldn't need to log out |
| 21:03.46 | nascentmind | Wyzard, in the themes i get only 3 options.. default,gorilla and novula. |
| 21:05.07 | Wyzard | nascentmind: You should have a new "Qt" one after installing the gtk-qt-engine package |
| 21:05.18 | Wyzard | nascentmind: If not, ask jelly-home about it, since he uses it; I've never used it |
| 21:06.11 | nascentmind | jelly-home, how can i get the kde interface for gtk apps? |
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| 21:06.35 | nascentmind | Wyzard, you use the gtk theme itself? |
| 21:06.45 | nascentmind | Wyzard, even the fonts are all screwed up in these apps.. |
| 21:07.15 | Wyzard | nascentmind: I use GNOME, so all my apps are GTK-based and I use normal GTK themes |
| 21:07.51 | Wyzard | nascentmind: http://clearlooks.sourceforge.net/screenshots/clearlooks-0.5_1.png -- my current GTK theme |
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| 21:08.55 | sarefo_home | hi, is there any file to modify that certain boot options are always used? |
| 21:09.07 | nascentmind | Wyzard, why does java pick the gtk theme? |
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| 21:09.53 | dutchfish | sarefo_home, you mean kernel line options? |
| 21:10.11 | sarefo_home | dutchfish: right |
| 21:10.16 | Wyzard | nascentmind: Some Java apps (most notably Eclipse and Azureus) use a UI toolkit called "SWT" which wraps the native platform UI toolkit |
| 21:10.23 | Famic | how can I create a ssl-certificate when apache2-ssl-certificate is not present ? |
| 21:10.29 | Wyzard | nascentmind: On Windows, it uses the Windows UI; on Linux it uses GTK; etc. |
| 21:10.30 | dutchfish | sarefo_home, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:10.54 | Wyzard | nascentmind: (as opposed to using Swing, which has its own platform-independent look-and-feel which is equally ugly on any platform...) |
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| 21:11.40 | nascentmind | sigh.. |
| 21:11.53 | Wyzard | nascentmind: In principle it'd be possible to implement SWT for QT, so that those apps would use your KDE theme directly, but AFAIK no such thing currently exists |
| 21:12.20 | nascentmind | yes.. true |
| 21:12.23 | simonrvn | "room"? meh, fricking pidgin.. |
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| 21:13.26 | sarefo_home | dutchfish: thx |
| 21:13.30 | nascentmind | Wyzard, if i install gnome now.. will i get better ui than this in kde? |
| 21:13.51 | dutchfish | sarefo_home, yw |
| 21:14.02 | nascentmind | Wyzard, this gtk really hurts.. it has trouble doing anti aliasing i guess.. |
| 21:14.24 | Wyzard | nascentmind: GTK can do anti-aliasing just fine; you just don't have it configured at all |
| 21:14.50 | nascentmind | Wyzard, well i have it done in kde. |
| 21:14.55 | Wyzard | nascentmind: GNOME has a control panel for choosing GTK themes and font settings, but I don't know if those settings would take effect under KDE |
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| 21:15.13 | Wyzard | nascentmind: and installing GNOME just to configure the appearance of one program running under KDE would be pretty stupid anyway |
| 21:15.43 | dutchfish | hey, dpkg states to blacklist in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local shouldnt that be /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? |
| 21:15.46 | nascentmind | oh i have iceweasel and eclipse to deuglify |
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| 21:15.58 | Wyzard | nascentmind: OK, two programs: still stupid |
| 21:16.00 | nascentmind | and i would spending some significant amt of time on these programs |
| 21:16.09 | Wyzard | nascentmind: GNOME is an entire desktop environment, an alternative to KDE |
| 21:16.13 | nascentmind | and i don't want to hurt my eyes ;) |
| 21:16.20 | nascentmind | Wyzard, yes i know. |
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| 21:16.48 | Wyzard | nascentmind: What's in your /usr/share/themes directory? |
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| 21:16.54 | Wyzard | nascentmind: Is there a subdirectory there called "Qt"? |
| 21:17.27 | nascentmind | yes |
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| 21:18.56 | lord-carlos | hi |
| 21:19.09 | lord-carlos | Is there a way to get kde 4.1 packages? |
| 21:19.21 | Wyzard | nascentmind: aha: when you ran gtk-theme-switch, did you run "switch" or "switch2"? |
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| 21:19.41 | nascentmind | yes of course |
| 21:19.52 | Wyzard | nascentmind: I mean, which one did you run? |
| 21:19.59 | nascentmind | switch. |
| 21:20.06 | nascentmind | both are same right? |
| 21:20.07 | Wyzard | "switch" is for GTK 1.2, which is very old; Firefox and Eclipse aren't using that |
| 21:20.13 | Wyzard | "switch2" is for GTK 2.x |
| 21:20.21 | Wyzard | Your Qt theme should show up in switch2 |
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| 21:20.40 | nascentmind | oh yeah |
| 21:20.43 | nascentmind | it shows now |
| 21:21.37 | nascentmind | phew.. finally.. boy isn't it an improvement |
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| 21:22.32 | nascentmind | Wyzard, is there a kde port of iceweasell? |
| 21:22.43 | Wyzard | I doubt it |
| 21:22.57 | Wyzard | It doesn't even really use GTK; it just imitates it |
| 21:23.03 | Wyzard | Why not use Konqueror? |
| 21:23.07 | nascentmind | Wyzard,why do they do it in gtk when in kde it looks so much better? |
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| 21:23.26 | ick | Wyzard: I installed the packages, added glx in debian-reconfigure, but glxgears I don't have glx. |
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| 21:23.32 | Wyzard | nascentmind: GTK is what's used by GNOME |
| 21:23.33 | nascentmind | Wyzard, Konqueror is too clunky and when it starts you feel like a jumbo jet is taking off.. |
| 21:23.43 | Wyzard | nascentmind: People running QT stuff in GNOME have the same problems you had running GTK stuff in KDE |
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| 21:24.01 | Wyzard | nascentmind: so an app using GTK is just as valid as using QT |
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| 21:24.48 | ick | Wyzard: also, when I run nvidia-xconfig, I get a segfault. |
| 21:25.04 | Wyzard | nascentmind: As for lightweight browsers, I use Epiphany (the native GNOME browser; not much help to you, but it's much more lightweight than iceweasel) |
| 21:25.35 | Wyzard | ick: Did you configure xorg to use the "nvidia" driver instead of "nv"? |
| 21:25.51 | nascentmind | Wyzard, but do you get all the good developer plugiins like firebug in epiphany? |
| 21:26.44 | Wyzard | nascentmind: Some have been ported, though not all, but I don't really mind |
| 21:27.01 | lord-carlos | Some one know when kde 4.1 will be in Unstable/Experimental? |
| 21:27.07 | Wyzard | nascentmind: I know Greasemonkey is available for Epiphany, though I don't use it; dunno about firebug |
| 21:27.16 | ick | Wyzard: yes |
| 21:27.24 | AKX | So uh... I need mod_python 3.3 against python 2.5 in my stable Debian. What's the best way to do this? |
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| 21:27.30 | noppe | did debian modify the eclipse source to make it work with gcj? |
| 21:27.36 | ick | Wyzard: lsmod shows "nvidia 8" |
| 21:27.43 | enouf | lord-carlos: /msg dpkg kde4 |
| 21:27.54 | simonrvn | etch doesn't have python 2.5, unless you're getting it from backports or doing that yourself |
| 21:27.57 | Wyzard | ick: That's the nVidia kernel module, which is distinct from the nVidia xorg driver |
| 21:28.02 | Wyzard | ick: (the latter depends on the former) |
| 21:28.34 | ick | Wyzard: I know |
| 21:28.40 | ick | Wyzard: I was ahead of you. |
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| 21:28.52 | ick | Wyzard: the problem is that dpkg-reconfigure didn't do the correct thing |
| 21:28.59 | lord-carlos | thanks enouf |
| 21:29.04 | ick | Wyzard: I specifically said that it should use nvidia |
| 21:29.05 | Wyzard | noppe: no, but they do compile it to native code using gcj and put those libraries in separate (optional) packages |
| 21:29.16 | ick | Wyzard: inspecting xorg.conf shows it didn't do that |
| 21:29.42 | Wyzard | ick: It might have failed for some reason, possibly related to the state of xorg on your system |
| 21:29.53 | Wyzard | ick: Did you downgrade *all* the xorg packages to the etch versions? |
| 21:30.43 | noppe | Wyzard: so that might explain why, when using suns jdk 6, eclipse starts up and works significantly slower than when using gcj, is that correct? |
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| 21:30.48 | ick | Wyzard: I believe so, but if I just get the right Loadmodule "glx" syntax line, all will probably be well, or I get a new error message. |
| 21:31.24 | Wyzard | ick: Loading the "glx" module is irrelevant if it isn't actually using the nvidia driver in the first place |
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| 21:31.53 | The_PHP_Jedi | Hello. How would I go about converting a .bin (with .cue) to an .iso (or directly the individual mp3's inside it)? bchunk doesn't seem to support mp3 exporting, and acetoneiso says the file isn't a valid iso... |
| 21:32.06 | nascentmind | Wyzard, thanks for the help. :) |
| 21:32.12 | Wyzard | noppe: In my experience, when Java stuff is running slowly, it means I'm inadvertently using gij rather than Sun Java |
| 21:32.24 | ick | Wyzard: I misinformed you |
| 21:32.33 | ick | Wyzard: I specially said it so include the glx module. |
| 21:32.41 | ick | Wyzard: it didn't add that, but it did add "nvidia". |
| 21:32.48 | ick | to* |
| 21:32.56 | Wyzard | The_PHP_Jedi: Use bchunk to make an .iso, then loop-mount the iso and copy the MP3 files out |
| 21:33.21 | Wyzard | ick: That brings us back to: did you downgrade *all* the xorg packages to the etch versions? |
| 21:33.23 | The_PHP_Jedi | Wyzard, bchunk only creates .cdr files :-/ |
| 21:33.23 | frog_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/989927 <-- hi, i am trying to install vmware and getting this. could someone give me any clue? |
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| 21:33.46 | zicho | What does the /bin/bash-folder contain? |
| 21:34.01 | enouf | feed cdrdao the .cdr files and pipe it to lame? |
| 21:34.27 | Wyzard | The_PHP_Jedi: I'd expect .cdr output for an audio track and .iso output for a data track |
| 21:34.37 | Wyzard | frog_: looks like you need vmware-any-any |
| 21:34.47 | enouf | or even cdparanoia |
| 21:34.55 | Wyzard | frog_: VMware's modules need unofficial patches to build against newer kernels |
| 21:34.59 | ick | Wyzard: it's an AGP 3.0 model, but because it's "legacy" it's "falling back to 1.0". |
| 21:35.00 | WaffleMatt | I've heard of problems building vmmon with 2.6.24 |
| 21:35.16 | Wyzard | is using VMware Workstation 6 on 2.6.24 amd64 without problems |
| 21:35.26 | enouf | hrm, me wonders if raw96r .. oh nm, you look it up |
| 21:35.40 | ick | Wyzard: they are intentionally crippling the hardware. |
| 21:35.49 | The_PHP_Jedi | Wyzard, so what do I do to convert/mount the .cdr file? |
| 21:35.49 | ick | Wyzard: but it is using glx now. |
| 21:35.50 | frog_ | Wyzard: thy, gonna try it out |
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| 21:36.13 | The_PHP_Jedi | (Google isn't helping much :( ) |
| 21:36.39 | Wyzard | frog_: Are you using Workstation or Server? |
| 21:36.48 | Wyzard | frog_: The latest build of Workstation supports 2.6.24 out-of-the-box |
| 21:37.09 | enouf | which is the free as in beer one? |
| 21:37.13 | Wyzard | Server |
| 21:37.20 | enouf | thought so |
| 21:37.21 | frog_ | Wyzard: workstation |
| 21:37.23 | Wyzard | (counterintuitively) |
| 21:37.27 | enouf | indeed |
| 21:37.54 | Wyzard | frog_: Make sure you have the latest one, build 80004 |
| 21:38.18 | frog_ | yes, ok. thank you Wyzard |
| 21:38.32 | Wyzard | frog_: That one worked fine on my amd64 system, though it still ran into problems with 2.6.24 on my i386 laptop (which I need to look into, since it's supposed to support 2.6.24) |
| 21:39.07 | Wyzard | frog_: Also, if you're running testing or unstable, take a look at the "vmware-package" package -- it builds .debs from VMware's tarball |
| 21:39.13 | Wyzard | (unfortunately it's not in etch) |
| 21:39.14 | enouf | The_PHP_Jedi: the cdrkit pkg has decent docs about using all/many tools in various ways .. i'm too lazy to sift through them all now - many READMEs |
| 21:39.25 | enouf | The_PHP_Jedi: er see cdrkit.org |
| 21:39.50 | The_PHP_Jedi | enouf, will do in a sec. cheers to both |
| 21:40.34 | frog_ | Wyzard: i am on lenny/sid. gonna have a look at this package |
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| 21:40.59 | ick | Wyzard: I give up (Google Earth crawls (and I don't see a planet)). |
| 21:41.28 | ick | Wyzard: it's intentionally crippled as I said earlier. |
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| 21:41.38 | ick | Wyzard: thanks for your help. |
| 21:42.02 | frog_ | Wyzard: thy again |
| 21:42.19 | cellofellow | what's the default framebuffer driver? I compiled a custom kernel with nvidiafb for my TNT2 but it's not working. I just want to use the default driver now because that worked. |
| 21:42.38 | Wyzard | cellofellow: vesafb |
| 21:42.47 | Shadow_mil | Hmmmm, what should I do for dinner tonight? |
| 21:42.57 | Wyzard | cellofellow: The real problem with nvidiafb is that it conflicts with the nvidia xorg driver |
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| 21:44.17 | wd | how do u restart eth0 to get dhcp for wireless card? |
| 21:44.35 | cellofellow | Wyzard: I'm not using xorg. The problem is that even though I put vga=791 in the boot options, it still only does the standard resolution (80x25 chars or something). |
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| 21:44.54 | Wyzard | cellofellow: ah... dunno about that, sorry |
| 21:44.58 | wd | i'm in the /etc/init.d and i see ifupdown but command not wrking |
| 21:45.15 | rgr | can anyone suggest why I can not delete things on my second x screen? It tells me that the file is on a different file system. It's not. |
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| 21:45.43 | Wyzard | cellofellow: It might need you to specify the video mode in a different format, such as the actual pixel dimensions; 791 is a VESA mode number that doesn't necessarily mean anything outside the context of the vesafb driver |
| 21:45.55 | cellofellow | oh, that makes sense |
| 21:46.40 | Wyzard | cellofellow: but I'd stick with vesafb anyway; it works fine, and nvidiafb doesn't provide any benefit that's worth recompiling the kernel for |
| 21:47.51 | cellofellow | that wasn't the only reason. :) |
| 21:47.58 | cellofellow | just icing on the cake, I thought. |
| 21:48.12 | pinto3 | i found a tool that setup console video modes nicely once |
| 21:48.22 | cellofellow | oh? |
| 21:48.28 | Wyzard | cellofellow: Custom kernels aren't really worthwhile in most cases anyway |
| 21:48.36 | pinto3 | yeah, i'll take a look through apt and see if i can recognize it |
| 21:48.49 | cellofellow | I'm just doing it because I can, need to say I've done it, y'know. |
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| 21:49.32 | Wyzard | cellofellow: That's a waste IMO... the stock kernel is well-configured and works fine in nearly all cases |
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| 21:50.04 | Wyzard | cellofellow: I used to use custom kernels, but stopped about a year ago when I realized I was really only doing it for the sake of kernel-patch-debianlogo, and it's just not worth the trouble |
| 21:50.50 | bradley_ | zkz. |
| 21:51.09 | cellofellow | :) |
| 21:51.48 | pinto3 | the one i used is the SVGA text-mode tool this guy mentions http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/hiresconsole.html |
| 21:52.10 | cellofellow | I originally needed to enable firmware flashing in hostap, but now I've used Windows to flash my Prism2.5 PCI chip and that's a moot point. Now I'm just compiling the kernel for fun. |
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| 21:54.23 | bradley_ | okay im getting very angry |
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| 21:59.03 | ManuP | argh, i just installed debian from netinst and after finishing, i noticed that i installed etch. but i want lenny. is it clean to do s/etch/lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list and then dist-update?? |
| 21:59.33 | Wyzard | ManuP: yes, that's the typical way to do it |
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| 22:00.26 | ManuP | Wyzard, will the result be exactly the same or rather quite the same? |
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| 22:01.37 | Wyzard | ManuP: Probably not exactly the same, but it's still a completely appropriate way to get lenny (it's what most etch users will do when lenny is released, after all) |
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| 22:03.37 | ManuP | it would not be too much effort to install lenny directly since i have not jet any important data on that machine. |
| 22:04.09 | ManuP | there will be no errors or other thinks i would not have if i installed lenny directly? |
| 22:04.14 | Wyzard | ManuP: sure, but there's no clear advantage in doing so |
| 22:04.21 | Wyzard | ManuP: The lenny installer is a beta anyway |
| 22:05.16 | ManuP | on my notebook lenny runs since several months staple :) |
| 22:05.27 | ManuP | s/staple/stable |
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| 22:07.53 | zicho | is there anyway to make dpkg check a package for errors and, if any, correct them? |
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| 22:08.42 | Wyzard | hmm, found some sid breakage: HAL is detecting video DVDs as generic data volumes rather than movies |
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| 22:12.03 | holycow | hi |
| 22:12.05 | holycow | can i rm -rf * a folder but exclude certain directories / files? |
| 22:12.07 | holycow | i don't see anything in man pages about doig that |
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| 22:20.49 | wd | if i go to family house and the have a wireless signal with wep is it ok to have their wireless info as well as mine in my interface file or do i have to comment mine each time i visit? |
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| 22:22.12 | Wyzard | wd: Ideally you should use something like NetworkManager that detects available networks and lets you pick one from a menu |
| 22:22.41 | Wyzard | wd: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ |
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| 22:23.06 | Wyzard | wd: Install network-manager-gnome or network-manager-kde, and comment out any entries for wireless (and wired too) devices in your interfaces file |
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| 22:23.22 | wd | Wyzard: i c ok. because i had to comment out my info and put theirs in to connect but i was wondering why other networks didn't show as well. |
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| 22:23.44 | wd | Wyzard: network mgr.. i have only cli. |
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| 22:24.03 | Wyzard | wd: oh... there's no CLI-only frontend to NetworkManager, unfortunately |
| 22:24.15 | wd | Wyzard: rats. :o) |
| 22:24.19 | Wyzard | wd: (Well, there is, but you can only use it to see the current status, not to select networks) |
| 22:24.32 | wd | Wyzard: netstat |
| 22:24.41 | tarkus | to install an AMP stack in debian etch. do i just "aptitude install apache2 mysql-server python" and thats it? |
| 22:25.14 | Wyzard | tarkus: That should be sufficient if the Python stuff you want to run is just CGI scripts |
| 22:25.26 | Wyzard | tarkus: but you might also want/need something like mod_python |
| 22:25.50 | tarkus | Wyzard: ah yes, i do. forgot about that |
| 22:26.05 | tarkus | i just got a VPS, so im ssh'd in now setting up django |
| 22:26.26 | tarkus | i always worked with arch linux. so not sure if its the same procedure with debian |
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| 22:27.20 | Wyzard | tarkus: I'm not sure if it's possible to do WSGI stuff within mod_python though... I think most Python web frameworks expect to run their own HTTP server (CherryPy or something) and apache just serves as a frontend to it |
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| 22:28.31 | tarkus | Wyzard: the Django docs state otherwise |
| 22:28.45 | tarkus | they say to use mod_python on production server |
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| 22:29.20 | tarkus | but they list a few other less-recommended solutions |
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| 22:29.34 | Wyzard | tarkus: good to know |
| 22:30.23 | keith4__ | can anyone think of a good way to "take these 3 filesystems, and move files around to equalize the usage %" |
| 22:30.24 | keith4__ | ? |
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| 22:30.31 | wd | Wyzard: how can i get my hostname to show in my homenetwork on browser? only ip show up. cat hostname show computer name, do i need to include hostname in interfaces? |
| 22:31.11 | zicho | !pastewithoutx |
| 22:31.12 | dpkg | somebody said pastewithoutx was you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste |
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| 22:32.06 | Wyzard | wd: You'd have to configure the DHCP client to send the hostname as part of your DHCP request (dunno why that's not enabled by default, actually) |
| 22:32.19 | Wyzard | wd: /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 22:32.31 | wd | Wyzard: ok going there now. ty |
| 22:32.53 | Wyzard | wd: After that, it's up to the network's DHCP server to do something useful with that hostname, like make it available for DNS lookups |
| 22:33.19 | Wyzard | wd: you can also install avahi, which is another implementation of what Apple calls "Bonjour"... that lets other Bonjour-enabled machines look up yours as hostname.local |
| 22:33.45 | Wyzard | wd: ("Bonjour-enabled" means any Mac, or a Windows machine that has Bonjour for Windows installed on it) |
| 22:33.55 | wd | Wyzard: ok |
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| 22:35.13 | zicho | how cani correct errors left my dpkg? |
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| 22:36.58 | fioli | In dpkg's 'etch->lenny' msg, I didn't understand 'update and dist-upgrade'... what are the exact commands to do this? |
| 22:37.03 | wd | Wyzard: oh my.. http://rafb.net/p/SGLSbe38.html |
| 22:37.07 | wd | Wyzard: take a look |
| 22:37.09 | wd | lol |
| 22:37.10 | keith4__ | apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 22:37.22 | fioli | thanks keith |
| 22:37.25 | wd | Wyzard: i guess i should uncomment some things huh? |
| 22:37.47 | Wyzard | wd: That's all example stuff; don't uncomment all of it |
| 22:37.59 | Wyzard | wd: but the "send host-name" line at is what you want |
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| 22:38.12 | wd | Wyzard: ok |
| 22:38.37 | wd | Wyzard: sorry i'm a little confuse coming from gentoo and all. |
| 22:38.58 | wd | Wyzard: things here are done differently and i'm feeling stupid. lol |
| 22:41.18 | wd | Wyzard: ok do i need to reboot box or just /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
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| 22:42.26 | Wyzard | wd: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 22:42.54 | Wyzard | wd: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" basically just does ifdown/ifup on all interfaces marked "auto" in your interfaces file |
| 22:43.16 | wd | Wyzard: k |
| 22:44.36 | wd | Wyzard: yay |
| 22:44.57 | wd | Wyzard: homenetwork shows debian box. ty |
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| 22:46.15 | DawnLight | i'm looking for a web interface file manager. kind of like what cPanel has |
| 22:46.16 | wd | Wyzard: i'm really wondering if all that USE flags and compiling is benefiting me speed wise in gentoo because debian is pretty snappy especially on this old ppc/nubus mac pushing 32meg ram.. lol |
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| 22:47.20 | ManuP | !dpkg |
| 22:47.20 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.. |
| 22:47.46 | bwlang | what's the name of the 32bit compatibility libraries? |
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| 22:48.44 | Wyzard | wd: USE flags aren't for optimizing stuff, they're for choosing which dependencies to build against and which features to include support for |
| 22:48.53 | tarkus | Wyzard: so if i install mod_python, then th module should be working right? |
| 22:49.05 | lunaphyte | i catted a non ascii file and now my output is garbled. how can i fix this without logging out? reset doesn't seem to work. |
| 22:49.09 | Wyzard | wd: and they're a pretty elegant solution to that challenge |
| 22:49.39 | Wyzard | wd: Debian handles that sort of thing with multiple packages that are alternatives to each other (see exim4-daemon-light vs. exim4-daemon-heavy for example) |
| 22:50.34 | Wyzard | wd: but you're right that building everything with -O9 --fcrazy-unsafe-optimizations doesn't really make much of a difference for most things |
| 22:51.01 | holycow | heh |
| 22:51.02 | holycow | so true |
| 22:51.15 | Wyzard | tarkus: Theoretically, yes, but I don't have much experience with mod_python or things that use it |
| 22:51.44 | wd | Wyzard: haha i'm seeing it now.. thinking about erasing gentoo and learning deb.. i've been reading history and the debian bible by steve hunger its great |
| 22:51.59 | wd | holycow: long time hello. |
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| 22:53.36 | wd | Wyzard: it's just i have a PII 450 server with gentoo and it flies.. versus having ubuntu last year on it.. didn't try deb yet. |
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| 22:54.16 | holycow | hey wd |
| 22:54.20 | holycow | hows it goin? |
| 22:54.28 | wd | Wyzard: my other boxes are all gentoo.. but this ppc is impressing me.. and debian is only dist that took the time to get this old nubus project off the ground. |
| 22:55.04 | wd | holycow: still playing with gentoo but i'm really considering deb as my main dist. :o) |
| 22:55.40 | holycow | reality bites, eh? |
| 22:55.41 | holycow | hehe |
| 22:55.48 | wd | holycow: hehe |
| 22:55.51 | wd | oh stop |
| 22:55.53 | wd | lol |
| 22:56.18 | wd | darn it i'm sweating... deb is confusing me.. lol |
| 22:56.37 | wd | holycow: rc0, rc1..etc. how come? |
| 22:56.46 | wd | holycow: why so many? |
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| 22:57.26 | holycow | why ask why? just read and follow instructions :) |
| 22:57.35 | wd | hehe |
| 22:57.37 | wd | gotcha |
| 22:57.52 | Wyzard | wd: because Debian uses the more typical, standard runlevel system rather than Gentoo's home-baked one :-P |
| 22:58.04 | wd | Wyzard: hey. |
| 22:58.07 | wd | Wyzard: hehe |
| 22:58.53 | wd | Wyzard: i like. :o) debian has history and stablility.. something i admire. yay ian. |
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| 22:59.33 | holycow | although ian jumped the fucking shark quite a while ago |
| 22:59.36 | holycow | yay gpl! |
| 23:00.03 | wd | holycow: oh holy. |
| 23:01.06 | wd | holycow: how's deb on very old boxes? snappy still? PII PIII. |
| 23:01.19 | justin | PII is very old? |
| 23:01.28 | holycow | yes but of course you won't be running latest graphical apps |
| 23:01.37 | justin | sure you will, just add enough RAM |
| 23:01.51 | wd | justin: damn long time also.. oh my reunion. lol |
| 23:01.52 | holycow | well acctually thats probably true |
| 23:02.01 | holycow | decent oldie gforce will do |
| 23:02.12 | wd | holycow: ok |
| 23:02.14 | justin | gforce is old too now? lol |
| 23:02.15 | wd | justin: ok |
| 23:02.21 | wd | lol |
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| 23:03.16 | wd | holycow: when i shred my gentoo handbook in a hour from (so i don't go back) promise me you guys will be here for me.. :o) |
| 23:03.31 | wd | *from now |
| 23:03.32 | holycow | lol no |
| 23:03.41 | wd | holycow: lol |
| 23:03.47 | holycow | welcome to open source |
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| 23:04.46 | wd | holycow: hehe... ummmm where's the wiki and online docs.. for example.. http://www.gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ProFTPD |
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| 23:05.48 | wd | holycow: i'm getting stuck and don't want to keep buggin the "pro's" here. |
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| 23:06.02 | holycow | just google it |
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| 23:07.12 | wd | holycow: aahhh. yes. i'm convinced. time to really benchmark. on with fdisk. lol |
| 23:07.14 | fioli | I was doing a dist-upgrade on my NSLU2, had debian etch installed and my ssh session died |
| 23:07.17 | fioli | now I can't login |
| 23:07.30 | fioli | I'm afraid.. what should I do? |
| 23:07.40 | naiv | i'm looking for a free ssl service, i found startcom and cacert, but which one is the most serious/popular ? |
| 23:09.13 | wd | holycow: oh yea.. adding modules.. do u enable modules in kernel then compile or is ot like freebsd kldload and bam? |
| 23:09.29 | holycow | i do nothing |
| 23:09.35 | wd | holycow: huh? |
| 23:09.47 | bwlang | naiv: i've used cacert, but they're not included in the major browsers lists... |
| 23:09.48 | holycow | all modules are automagically loaded or unloaded as necessary |
| 23:09.59 | wd | holycow: no. get out. |
| 23:10.29 | Famic | I'm having hard times configuring apache2 for multiple subdomains. Anyone can help ? At the moment, i removed thedefault from sites-enabled, but everything still tries to go to apache2-default directory o_O |
| 23:10.36 | wd | holycow: u mean u just don't load modules u include things in kernel? |
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| 23:10.41 | holycow | no |
| 23:10.46 | holycow | the kernel is fully modular |
| 23:10.59 | wd | holycow: get out. |
| 23:11.06 | holycow | the other subsystem handle hardware detection and load and unload as necessary |
| 23:11.17 | bwlang | Famic: you'll probably get more help in #apache |
| 23:11.30 | Famic | bwlang: oki thanks |
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| 23:12.22 | wd | holycow: i gotta go read some read if it's that simple i'm gonna kick myself really really hard. later |
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| 23:15.05 | holycow | the only time you compile any module on debian is for some new insane hardware or if you are customizing debian for something super specific |
| 23:15.12 | holycow | there really is no point for most other scenarios |
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| 23:16.59 | holycow | gentoo exists for basically a really pointless purpose |
| 23:17.07 | holycow | if they were smart they would of based it on debian |
| 23:17.22 | holycow | and just added some glue and automation to get the same to happen from the source repos here |
| 23:17.36 | holycow | well let me rephrase |
| 23:17.45 | holycow | if i were to create a gentoo like environment, thats wha ti do |
| 23:17.48 | holycow | i would do |
| 23:17.55 | holycow | clearly gentoo users love that stuff so all good |
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| 23:20.34 | Bushmills | holycow: there is another difference .. when it can take half a year or longer for a new debian package to hit unstable, or even testing, the same package can be available in gentoo within 2 days |
| 23:20.54 | holycow | actually thats a pretty good point |
| 23:20.57 | holycow | yes right |
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| 23:22.46 | ManuP | !tell ManuP about rsync |
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| 23:25.11 | Wyzard | "half a year or longer for a new debian package to hit unstable"? |
| 23:25.14 | Wyzard | Do you mean stable? |
| 23:25.21 | Wyzard | Unstable is pretty up-to-date, on par with Gentoo |
| 23:25.25 | ManuP | is rsync only for backups? |
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| 23:25.42 | Bushmills | no. for stable i'd think more in terms of one to two years :) |
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| 23:26.03 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 23:26.18 | Wyzard | but stable should be ignored for purposes of comparison to Gentoo because Gentoo doesn't *have* a stable release process |
| 23:26.33 | Bushmills | i didn;t even think of stable |
| 23:26.37 | Wyzard | Gentoo sits somewhere between testing and unstable in Debian terms |
| 23:26.44 | Wyzard | and ~x86 is roughly equivalent to experimental |
| 23:27.07 | ManuP | i want several directorys which contain (after sync) the same content. if a file is newer, it overwrites the old one if the old one has not changed since last sync. if so, i want to be promt for action.... |
| 23:27.25 | Bushmills | but i added the inertia time to figure out how to put a .deb together, compared to creating an ebuild |
| 23:27.26 | Wyzard | ManuP: You might be interested in unison, which is a sort of two-way rsync |
| 23:27.54 | Wyzard | Bushmills: Debian maintainers don't have to "figure out" anything; they know how to make packages |
| 23:27.57 | ManuP | Wyzard, yeah, two-way rsync sounds good |
| 23:28.08 | ManuP | !unison |
| 23:28.08 | dpkg | somebody said unison was a nice tool to synchronise files between two systems, it uses the rsync transferprotocol and can be used over ssh or over socket, apt-get install unison, or at http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ |
| 23:28.47 | Bushmills | Wyzard: yes, and when somebody with a new program looks for a sponsor/menthor, he is referred to the maintainer guide |
| 23:29.25 | Wyzard | oh, you're talking about adding new packages, not updating existing ones |
| 23:29.37 | Bushmills | wuzard, yes |
| 23:30.18 | Wyzard | Considering that there are over 20000 packages in Debian, I don't think people have had lots of trouble figuring out how to create them |
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| 23:31.42 | Bushmills | considering that there are more than 20000 two-digit millionaires in the world, it is also evident that people don't have problems to make a few ten millions bucks. |
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| 23:32.24 | Lagbolt | gentoo blows :) . . . but i can compile all my cool options for speed difference that only a superhuman would notice |
| 23:32.26 | \amethyst | Bushmills: So you're suggesting I can make a high-quality ebuild without reading the Gentoo Developer Handbook? |
| 23:33.11 | Bushmills | \amethyst: not sure about the "high quality" but you can make a "basic" and functioning ebuild without readon the handbook |
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| 23:34.54 | shib | does anyone know why firefox 3b5 would be displaying normal fonts... but throughout the entire program, the spaces are about 4x too large? |
| 23:35.12 | keith- | jesus is the answer |
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| 23:35.35 | Bushmills | shib: like, letters being to far apart? |
| 23:35.40 | Bushmills | too far |
| 23:35.53 | shib | no, just the " " is like " " |
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| 23:36.52 | \amethyst | Bushmills: you can build basic Debian packages pretty easily, too |
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| 23:37.51 | Bushmills | shib, i'd try to use a very basic font, non-unicode, as reference, to see whether it changes. like, set it to a monofont or such, or sans-serif, or such. |
| 23:38.00 | Bushmills | see whether it makes a change |
| 23:38.02 | Cusoon959 | Hey... would you mind if I asked a question about compiling errors on an Ubuntu system? The folks in this chan seem a bit more knowledgeable about things like this... and it's not crazy (always being flooded). |
| 23:38.18 | themill | !ubuntu |
| 23:38.18 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 23:38.38 | shib | Bushmills: http://fluidsolutions.ca/images/firefox_font.png |
| 23:38.40 | Bushmills | Cusoon959: maybe on #Suse? |
| 23:38.51 | Cusoon959 | Yes, themill, I have asked in #ubuntu. I know that Ubuntu is not Debian... |
| 23:38.52 | DirkGently | Cusoon959: you could try compiling on Debian |
| 23:38.58 | Cusoon959 | Bushmills, lol, point taken. |
| 23:39.12 | ManuP | Wyzard, thanks for help. upgrading to lenny from etch didnt work properly. i had several errors during configuration. i will install tomorrow lenny from netinst... |
| 23:39.13 | Cusoon959 | DirkGently, maybe it's about time to switch back to Debian anyways ;) |
| 23:39.30 | themill | Cusoon959: indeed... we'll do our best to help, then. |
| 23:39.39 | DirkGently | Cusoon959: I did and haven't looked back except to scoff |
| 23:39.43 | holycow | when kde4 is actually useable there will be no need for ubuntu |
| 23:39.55 | DirkGently | j/k |
| 23:40.09 | DirkGently | is using kde4 |
| 23:40.09 | Cusoon959 | DirkGently, :P |
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| 23:40.28 | Cusoon959 | I prefer GNOME personally.. over KDE3 that is. I haven't tried KDE4 yet |
| 23:40.34 | DirkGently | I don't scoff, just encourage the exodus |
| 23:41.00 | Bushmills | shib, try to turn off styles |
| 23:41.03 | DirkGently | I work on the project, so it's kind of a prerequisite |
| 23:41.06 | holycow | with kde4 you will be able to get the gnome simplicity goodness i think ... time will tell |
| 23:41.11 | shib | Bushmills: styles? |
| 23:41.32 | Bushmills | shib: View -> Page Style -> No Style |
| 23:41.48 | shib | no better |
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| 23:42.45 | Bushmills | shib: what happens when you increase font size? |
| 23:42.50 | Bushmills | ctrl-+ |
| 23:43.04 | shib | Bushmills: everything gets bigger |
| 23:43.09 | shib | spaces are still huge |
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| 23:43.57 | mirak | hi |
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| 23:44.19 | mirak | is there a way to obtain a random available socket number from a shell command ? |
| 23:44.29 | Bushmills | hm. i'd carefully consider "bug in ff3 text rendering, or kerning" |
| 23:44.39 | \amethyst | mirak: what do you mean by 'socket number' ? |
| 23:45.47 | mirak | \amethyst: I just need an application to open a socket, so vlc can get a video stream out of it. If I do just a static script I will not be able to open more than one stream |
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| 23:46.06 | mirak | so I need to get a port number that is available |
| 23:46.09 | vjoe | bye |
| 23:46.15 | \amethyst | mirak: a listening port? |
| 23:46.21 | mirak | yes |
| 23:46.30 | mirak | \amethyst: yes |
| 23:47.47 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 23:48.29 | \amethyst | mirak: And I guess you don't want to write a server that listens on a single port and dispatches to the application after obtaining a connection? |
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| 23:49.33 | \amethyst | mirak: because that would be the better way to solve it. Otherwise, you can try binding ports from 1024 up until you succeed. |
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| 23:49.45 | \amethyst | (1024 because, below that, you have to be root to bind anyway) |
| 23:51.56 | rr_box | good to know holycow, i've kept compiling tools away |
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| 23:52.27 | mirak | \amethyst: I can't change the code. |
| 23:52.44 | \amethyst | mirak: what code? the application? |
| 23:53.39 | mirak | \amethyst: it's a binary. in fact this application starts with a channel url and listens to a specified port. Then vlc can get a stream from this port. Now I just want to be able to run multiple instances of that in a script for exemple |
| 23:54.16 | \amethyst | mirak: so it takes the port number as input, and binds to the port itself? |
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| 23:55.55 | mirak | \amethyst: there is two different application. this application act as a stream server. and vlc just read the stream. I just want to create a script that reunite them at once |
| 23:56.33 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 23:58.10 | \amethyst | mirak: if the stream server is started with a port number that is already in use, does it terminate quickly? |
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