| 00:00.01 | MTecknology | what's the default graphical partition editor in debian? |
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| 00:00.35 | markybob | MTecknology there isnt one. install what you want. `apt-get install gparted` for example |
| 00:01.23 | mirak | \amethyst: I will tell you |
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| 00:01.50 | MTecknology | markybob, I tried that, but it wasn't found.... what repo is it in? |
| 00:02.10 | markybob | MTecknology http://packages.debian.org/gparted |
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| 00:02.22 | MTecknology | ty |
| 00:04.28 | mirak | \amethyst: seems it takes random ports if they are already occupied. I will see if I can grep the values |
| 00:04.49 | \amethyst | mirak: oh, even better---it already does you work for you :) |
| 00:05.09 | Hellmark | Hey, quick question. I just got a USB to RS232 adapter, and trying to figure out how to get it to work. Anyone can help point me in a direction? |
| 00:05.16 | MTecknology | markybob, I'm trying to get it installed in DSL but i think i give up |
| 00:05.26 | mirak | \amethyst: in fact no it exit |
| 00:05.32 | \amethyst | ? |
| 00:05.46 | markybob | MTecknology i dont know what that means? in dsl? what? |
| 00:05.50 | \amethyst | mirak: quickly, or does it take some time to exit? |
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| 00:07.51 | mirak | \amethyst: takes some time |
| 00:07.59 | MTecknology | markybob, Damn Small Linux can use apt, and by default it uses debian repos - unfortunately, it doesn't have gparted and won't resolve dependencies |
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| 00:08.11 | mirak | \amethyst: and lot of log, but that's not bad |
| 00:08.21 | \amethyst | mirak: hm... how many instances of the server would you expect to have running at a single time? |
| 00:08.26 | markybob | MTecknology oh. well, we dont support damn small linux :P you should go ask them how to do it on their distro |
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| 00:09.17 | MTecknology | markybob, no ty - i think i'm done ever using DSL - I think gentoo live cd's are more efficient :P |
| 00:09.33 | markybob | MTecknology or you could use debian...as this is #debian |
| 00:10.11 | MTecknology | I'm trying to work on a system that is already installed - i need to move / and /home to a different disk |
| 00:10.55 | amphi | MTecknology: I've found the sysresccd.org iso very useful in the past, FWIW |
| 00:11.04 | mirak | \amethyst: any |
| 00:11.32 | MTecknology | amphi, The only think I don't like about it is that it doesn't always run on certain system |
| 00:11.33 | MTecknology | s |
| 00:11.43 | markybob | MTecknology oh. you should've just said so. gparted has a livecd |
| 00:11.45 | \amethyst | mirak: tens? hundreds? thousands? |
| 00:11.53 | mirak | \amethyst: few |
| 00:11.59 | amphi | MTecknology: I've not seen that; the ppc version has always worked for me, also |
| 00:12.06 | markybob | MTecknology http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
| 00:12.06 | mirak | \amethyst: like 2 or 3 |
| 00:12.09 | Bushmills | MTecknology: why would you need a graphical partition editor then? |
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| 00:12.26 | Bushmills | MTecknology: console fdisk would do just fine then |
| 00:12.30 | MTecknology | I tried gparted live cd - no go... |
| 00:12.51 | MTecknology | Bushmills, I'm too lazy for that today :P that was my next option :P |
| 00:13.05 | MTecknology | anyway.... sorry to bother ya'll |
| 00:13.38 | Bushmills | well, in the time you tried to get a graphical partition editor installed or running, you could probably have transferred the whole system already |
| 00:13.43 | \amethyst | mirak: then I would suggest choosing a range of 10 or so ports (find an empty range in /etc/services), picking one randomly from the range, and trying it. If the server fails, try the next port (and repeat until you get back to the one you first tried, in which case all 10 are in use). |
| 00:14.18 | MTecknology | i like fritos |
| 00:14.31 | \amethyst | mirak: this assumes the server will exit with non-zero status if it has problems binding. That might not |
| 00:14.39 | \amethyst | be the case if it auto-backgrounds |
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| 00:27.02 | mirak | \amethyst: yes it autobackgrounds |
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| 00:31.23 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 00:35.25 | Famic | how come a user who is in gorup www-data can't create a directory in /var/www when it's drwxrwxr-x ? |
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| 00:35.46 | Famic | owned by www-data:www-data |
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| 00:37.43 | TrueDD | Famic, look at the rigths of parents directories of www-data |
| 00:38.00 | Famic | parent directory ? why ? |
| 00:39.04 | TrueDD | may be one of those directories has rigths that invalid rights for all of the children directories for your user, on his group |
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| 00:39.24 | TrueDD | (sorry for my english ..) |
| 00:39.47 | Famic | actually I just had to disconnect and reconnect ;) thanks anyhow |
| 00:40.15 | TrueDD | :) |
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| 00:51.17 | bk | how do i use grep to show me in what files a certain string is? |
| 00:51.42 | markybob | uh. `grep foo *` |
| 00:51.51 | markybob | or grep -r for recursive |
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| 00:52.37 | bk | markybob: without showing me the strings it found, just what files it finds the string in :-) |
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| 00:53.32 | markybob | bk -L |
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| 00:53.44 | markybob | bk -l, sorry |
| 00:54.06 | bk | -L outputed more files.. whats the differense? |
| 00:54.16 | markybob | -L are files that dont match |
| 00:54.24 | bk | makes sense |
| 00:54.26 | markybob | -l are files that match. `man grep` |
| 00:54.48 | bk | im not able to browse the man files |
| 00:55.01 | markybob | grep --help |
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| 00:55.23 | MarcoSilva | bk: google man grep |
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| 01:01.02 | bryton_03 | hi! is there a way to declare a user's password without prompting for password? like "useradd newuser -p password" |
| 01:01.38 | bryton_03 | ive tried this already "useradd newuser -p password" but it does not encrypt the password |
| 01:02.12 | bryton_03 | in /etc/shadow the password is written as "password" |
| 01:02.59 | markybob | bryton_03 -p just tells it to use encrypted password instead of plaintext. it's not what you want the password to be |
| 01:03.46 | bryton_03 | markybob: but in /etc/shadow the password is written in password |
| 01:04.01 | bryton_03 | it is not encrypted yet |
| 01:04.14 | bk | bryton_03: i thought the shadow file was encrypted |
| 01:04.43 | bk | are you trying to write a bash script to add multiple users at once? |
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| 01:04.53 | BramuS | oh i'soo pissed |
| 01:05.22 | BramuS | loser in my friend group |
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| 01:05.30 | bryton_03 | no, im adding users in a php script thats why i need to do it without prompting for password |
| 01:05.50 | chasing`Sol | hi guys, in i am using beryl on kde, how do i change each background on each side of the cube? |
| 01:06.18 | amphi | chasing`Sol: you can't in kde AFAIK, without patching something |
| 01:06.19 | bk | chasing`Sol: not possible sice it is the "same" desktop |
| 01:06.38 | chasing`Sol | thats what i thought |
| 01:06.42 | chasing`Sol | ty guys :) |
| 01:06.48 | bk | bryton_03: i had the same problem when i was writing a bash script to add multiple users.. if i remeber correctly i gave up and used AD authentication |
| 01:06.56 | chasing`Sol | is it possible in gnome? |
| 01:07.11 | bk | no |
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| 01:10.38 | bryton_03 | by using mkpasswd can i declare a users password coming from a non-encrypted word? like assigning it with a "mypassword" |
| 01:11.27 | bk | bryton_03: was that a statement or question? |
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| 01:12.11 | bryton_03 | by using mkpasswd can i declare a users password coming from a non-encrypted word? |
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| 01:13.00 | bk | bryton_03: no idea |
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| 01:14.16 | bryton_03 | thanks everyone! |
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| 01:18.49 | dacs | Wyzard: U STILL HERE |
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| 01:20.35 | dacs | !seen Wyzard |
| 01:20.35 | dpkg | wyzard is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 178 messages. Is idling for 1h 50m 17s, last said: 'Considering that there are over 20000 packages in Debian, I don't think people have had lots of trouble figuring out how to create them'. |
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| 01:45.45 | quhan | is there someone use virtualbox? |
| 01:46.37 | markybob | yes |
| 01:46.59 | quhan | could you tell me if the virtualbox support runing without graphics? |
| 01:47.20 | markybob | yes |
| 01:47.27 | quhan | just like the kvm/qemu's -nographics or -vnc option |
| 01:47.35 | WormFood | does anyone have a clue as to why the fuck my time is 12 hours off, every time I boot into windows, and come back to Linux? |
| 01:47.38 | quhan | how to? |
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| 01:48.05 | markybob | quhan you configure it with "--build-headless" |
| 01:48.30 | markybob | quhan you should check out #vbox |
| 01:48.59 | markybob | WormFood because unix expects your system clock to be in utc and microsoft changes it |
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| 01:49.34 | amphi | markybob: windows still doesn't deal with the hw clock set to utc? |
| 01:49.48 | markybob | it deals...by changing it :P |
| 01:50.19 | amphi | brilliant |
| 01:50.34 | amphi | I had thought that nonsense had died with win98 |
| 01:50.42 | WormFood | markybob, my clock is in local time, and Linux is configured that way |
| 01:50.49 | quhan | markybob, in #vbox no one reply me |
| 01:51.09 | markybob | quhan ah. well, ./configure --build-headless will do what you want |
| 01:51.12 | WormFood | There is no reason why winblows should change the hardware clock |
| 01:51.25 | quhan | markybob, you mean i should that configure and recomplie the vbox? |
| 01:51.38 | markybob | yes, you need to for headless |
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| 01:52.29 | WormFood | and now, I can't connect to ANY ntp server...this fuckin' shit is driving me crazy! |
| 01:53.54 | quhan | i have never complie any software... |
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| 01:54.25 | quhan | i should download the source, then ./configure --build-headless, then make, then make install? |
| 01:54.44 | TwinX | why compile? |
| 01:55.01 | markybob | quhan no. you build vbox with kmk |
| 01:55.07 | markybob | quhan they have build instructions on their site |
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| 01:56.10 | quhan | kmk? |
| 01:56.50 | markybob | uh-huh |
| 01:56.56 | quhan | http://virtualbox.org/wiki/Build_instructions ? |
| 01:57.15 | markybob | yeah. linux host section, obviously |
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| 01:58.30 | quhan | i will get the virtualbox or virtualbox-ose? |
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| 01:58.51 | markybob | quhan they only provide the source for ose...so ose |
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| 01:59.11 | sls | I am so confised... |
| 01:59.21 | quhan | :-( |
| 01:59.53 | markybob | quhan i dont know about their non-ose version. maybe you can run that headless. *shrug* you'd have to ask them |
| 01:59.55 | quhan | could i get a deb package? |
| 01:59.59 | sls | I have iface eth0 inet static, and I still get a new dhcp address after a while... |
| 02:00.05 | sls | how? |
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| 02:01.11 | markybob | quhan the deb package wasnt built with --build-headless |
| 02:01.29 | quhan | yes |
| 02:02.19 | quhan | i mean that i would like to build deb package with that option, then dpkg -i it |
| 02:03.01 | markybob | sure |
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| 02:03.39 | quhan | :-$i dont know how to... |
| 02:03.58 | markybob | apt-get build-dep virtualbox-ose; apt-get source virtualbox-ose; edit debian/rules to include that, then dpkg-buildpackage -b -tc -uc -rfakeroot |
| 02:04.41 | sls | why would I be geting new dhcp addresses wven though I set the static option on /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 02:04.54 | quhan | how to add the --build-headless in it? |
| 02:05.44 | liable | quhan: in the debian/rules file |
| 02:06.08 | liable | sls: kill dhclient and restart networking |
| 02:06.20 | quhan | i will try it , thanks!! |
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| 02:10.16 | NekoKun | how to define the path to install apt-get package? |
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| 02:10.47 | amphi | NekoKun: eh? |
| 02:11.04 | NekoKun | yeah.. it was weird... |
| 02:11.35 | NekoKun | canI set the path where apt-get will install a package? |
| 02:11.46 | wd | i can't sudo even after installind sudo and editing sudoers file with my user, i even rebooted session. |
| 02:12.37 | wd | does this make sense.... debian:/etc# gpasswd -a wd wheel |
| 02:12.37 | wd | unknown group: wheel |
| 02:12.37 | wd | gpasswd: Permission denied. |
| 02:13.04 | wd | isn't root suppose to be able to gpasswd? |
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| 02:16.53 | amphi | NekoKun: not that I know of - why would you want to do that? |
| 02:17.32 | NekoKun | EeePC :D |
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| 02:18.43 | beerNcoffee | huh |
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| 02:19.43 | beerNcoffee | anybody home? |
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| 02:20.41 | beerNcoffee | laterz |
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| 02:22.13 | TrueDD | Good night all |
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| 02:42.00 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 02:42.00 | dpkg | <mxldr> how do i get lenny to watch DVD's <mxldr> i just want to watch DVD's. I don't care about free-speachsoftware or the manatees or anything |
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| 02:43.47 | latitu | iam using partimage (as backhand of g4l) it says cant read image from block 0. iam trying to make an image... and i cant use some other app. they are too difficult and i want to make an image of the full partition (excluding freespace). how can i check the partition? (i have already done fsck)? |
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| 02:45.15 | rr_box | The winner of the Debian Project Leader (DPL) 2008 election is Steve McIntyre, His term as DPL will extend for one year starting on April 17th, 2008. |
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| 02:55.44 | WormFood | why in the fuck does /etc/localtime keep getting changed? how do I make my changes stick when I update my system? |
| 02:56.05 | Nyle | i need for someone, anyone to test a link and see if it works |
| 02:56.07 | WormFood | I can not figure out how the hell it keeps getting change to a time zone exactly 12 hours off |
| 02:56.13 | Nyle | it works for me but people report it doesn't work |
| 02:56.18 | Nyle | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/dirty.mp3 |
| 02:56.26 | Nyle | does this load up at all? |
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| 02:56.31 | Nyle | or you get error page? |
| 02:56.57 | latitu | iam using partimage (as backhand of g4l) it says cant read image from block 0. iam trying to make an image... and i cant use some other app. they are too difficult and i want to make an image of the full partition (excluding freespace). how can i check the partition? (i have already done fsck)? |
| 02:57.10 | WormFood | Nyle, it works for me |
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| 03:04.26 | WormFood | these fuckin' time issues are going to drive me god damn crazy....it appears to be completely random, but I know it is not. I can't figure out what the fuck is making it wrong to save my life, and because it is exactly 12 hours wrong, many times I don't notice it until the next day |
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| 03:08.59 | latitu | if i dd if=/dev/hda1 | gzip > /home/hda1.bin.gz , it will copy data including freespace too or just files ? |
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| 03:09.22 | Wyzard | latitu: That'll copy everything including free space |
| 03:09.36 | greeg | hi |
| 03:09.37 | greeg | hi. i have a makefile for a one file program whats wrong with line 3 http://rafb.net/p/uNz5zc39.html ? |
| 03:10.05 | latitu | Wyzard how can i just copy only the non free space? |
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| 03:10.22 | Wyzard | greeg: I believe the commands for a target need to be indented with exactly one tab |
| 03:10.33 | Wyzard | latitu: Use partimage |
| 03:12.02 | greeg | Wyzard: thanx pal |
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| 03:12.51 | latitu | Wyzard i used g4l that gave me error . cant read image from block 0 . g4l uses partimage at backhand |
| 03:13.07 | Wyzard | latitu: Were you running it as root? |
| 03:13.39 | latitu | Wyzard i dl the g4l iso burned it. booted . |
| 03:13.51 | Wyzard | latitu: oh, g4l is a liveCD? |
| 03:13.55 | latitu | ya |
| 03:14.39 | Wyzard | latitu: Ask whoever produces it then; that's not Debian and we have no idea how their liveCD is configured |
| 03:14.47 | Wyzard | latitu: Try Debian's own partimage |
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| 03:15.08 | latitu | Wyzard it was working fine before. i have some images made. until i upgraded my distro |
| 03:16.29 | Wyzard | latitu: Does it give you any additional information besides the "can't read image" message? |
| 03:16.52 | latitu | block 0 |
| 03:16.57 | latitu | nothign else |
| 03:17.16 | latitu | i was thinking to check the aprtition |
| 03:17.30 | Wyzard | latitu: That sounds like it's saying it's unable to even begin reading data from the partition |
| 03:17.44 | latitu | ya |
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| 03:17.59 | Wyzard | latitu: The only thing i can think of that could cause that, aside from a problem with g4l itself, is an I/O error on the hard drive (e.g. bad sectors) |
| 03:18.15 | latitu | how to completely check a partition? ext3 |
| 03:18.23 | Wyzard | latitu: but if block 0 of your partition was actually unreadable, you'd probably be unable to mount it at all, so I doubt that's the case |
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| 03:18.41 | Wyzard | latitu: Run fsck on the partition if you want |
| 03:19.05 | latitu | already done that. does it checks bad sectors? |
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| 03:20.14 | Wyzard | latitu: No, but it'd fail if block 0 were unreadable (since that contains the filesystem's superblock) |
| 03:20.48 | Wyzard | latitu: ...hmm, no, that's wrong, the ext3 superblock is at block 3 |
| 03:21.00 | Wyzard | latitu: but it's pretty unlikely you'd have sector 0 bad and not sector 3 |
| 03:21.22 | Wyzard | latitu: Do you have this problem with Debian's own partimage package? |
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| 03:21.57 | venger | grub2 detected my windows install on another drive however when I select it from the menu it just says "error: unknown device". I'm not very familiar with grub2 so are there a few things I can check or something I can do during boot? the /boot/grub/grub.cfg info looks accurate |
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| 03:22.57 | latitu | didnt tried it |
| 03:23.11 | Wyzard | latitu: btw, http://www.feyrer.de/g4u/g4l.html is interesting... apparently g4l is plagiarizing another open-source program called g4u |
| 03:23.33 | Wyzard | latitu: Try it |
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| 03:23.47 | latitu | hm\ |
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| 03:25.24 | wd | do u set aterm transp in .Xdefaults in debian? |
| 03:25.52 | Wyzard | wd: That sort of thing should be the same in any distro |
| 03:26.06 | wd | Wyzard: still here oh my. lol |
| 03:26.21 | wd | Wyzard: well i set it and nada |
| 03:26.30 | Wyzard | wd: I'm here all the time, though I'm not always paying attention to the channel |
| 03:27.24 | wd | Wyzard: http://rafb.net/p/5T532m86.html |
| 03:27.44 | wd | Wyzard: i did several reboots and opened aterm and nada. |
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| 03:27.55 | vyrus001 | anybody here familuar with clusterknoppix? for some reason i can boot from network but the system cant mount the nfs share after boot |
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| 03:28.12 | Wyzard | wd: I've never used aterm and I have no idea what's the right way to configure it |
| 03:28.22 | Wyzard | wd: I'm just saying it's unlikely to be any different in Debian than in any other distro |
| 03:28.40 | Wyzard | !tell vyrus001 about knoppix |
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| 03:29.06 | wd | Wyzard: ok. btw. i installed debian on a sep hd in my gentoo box.. damn it now speed diff. debian is pretty zippy. |
| 03:29.50 | wd | Wyzard: no speed diff... why was i fooling around with gentoo... USE flags? |
| 03:30.28 | Wyzard | wd: USE flags are a more significant feature of Gentoo than optimization settings anyway, IMO |
| 03:32.16 | wd | Wyzard: well i'm seeing that debian is zippey just like gentoo. hmmmm maybe a keeper.. lol. now to figure out how to keep files on gentoo samba server and convert to debian server. |
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| 03:33.33 | heroxbd | Hi! Is there a good way to manage a website with svn? e.g. add a hook that the website is automatically updated on receiving svn comments |
| 03:34.19 | ArtVandalae | you mean when you commit, your website gets updated? |
| 03:34.29 | heroxbd | Yes. |
| 03:35.17 | Wyzard | heroxbd: I believe the svn server can be configured to run scripts when a commit occurs |
| 03:35.32 | Wyzard | heroxbd: You could use that to automatically update the copy being served |
| 03:36.20 | heroxbd | Wyzard: Oh yeah. The hooks? I will look into it. |
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| 03:38.16 | kanzure | How do I install git via apt? |
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| 03:38.47 | amphi | kanzure: apt-get install git-core |
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| 03:38.56 | kanzure | amphi: that does not include the command 'git' |
| 03:39.05 | amphi | kanzure: unless you mean the Gnu Interactive Tools |
| 03:39.11 | kanzure | nope, I mean the versioning system |
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| 03:39.39 | Wyzard | kanzure: /usr/bin/git is indeed in the git-core package |
| 03:39.50 | kanzure | Wyzard: etch? |
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| 03:40.22 | amphi | kanzure: you can use git-clone instead of git clone, or whatever |
| 03:40.28 | Wyzard | kanzure: ah, looks like etch has no actual "git" program, just a bunch of git-foo programs |
| 03:40.33 | Wyzard | kanzure: http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/git-core/filelist |
| 03:40.50 | Wyzard | kanzure: probably related to the name conflict with GNU Interactive Tools, which hadn't been resolved yet at release time |
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| 03:41.09 | meeero | noch jemand da? :P |
| 03:41.24 | meeero | pff |
| 03:41.34 | streuner_ | meeero: ask in english, please. |
| 03:42.24 | meeero | whoops, wrong channel :/ |
| 03:42.28 | streuner_ | (must be the wrong channel) |
| 03:42.33 | meeero | nevermind. i've got a problem with chmod |
| 03:42.35 | meeero | d------rwx 4 root www-data |
| 03:42.41 | meeero | these are the permissions for one folder |
| 03:42.59 | meeero | as you may see, www-data suggests a http-daemon, apache in this example |
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| 03:43.40 | meeero | now the question is: when the group is www-data and group has no rights on the folder, then the group can't access the folder, true? |
| 03:43.50 | meeero | so no matter if the last three parameters are rwx |
| 03:44.19 | Wyzard | meeero: correct |
| 03:44.41 | Wyzard | meeero: (You can easily check this for yourself...) |
| 03:44.44 | meeero | okay, thanks |
| 03:45.01 | meeero | yes, i know - but something weird happened here, i just figured out what....it was my mistake...sry |
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| 04:04.25 | Linuturk | I can't find a etch deb package for keepassx |
| 04:04.28 | Linuturk | any help? |
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| 04:06.24 | Shadow_X | is away: I'm busy |
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| 04:06.37 | Shadow_X | is back (gone 00:00:13) |
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| 04:08.26 | tomossen | what is the latest release of debian? |
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| 04:09.27 | tomossen | where are all the debianers? |
| 04:09.33 | simonrvn | etch |
| 04:09.41 | simonrvn | www.debian.org |
| 04:10.06 | tomossen | is this the official chat channel for debian users? |
| 04:10.14 | Linuturk | ok, I need a package from lenny in etch . . . should I upgrade my entire system for this one package, or is there a way to backport this package? |
| 04:10.36 | simonrvn | no, there isn't any... the one on oftc is the closest thing to official |
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| 04:11.02 | simonrvn | Linuturk, /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 04:11.07 | simonrvn | !backports |
| 04:11.07 | dpkg | somebody said backport was a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/, http://www.apt-get.org/, ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 04:11.19 | tomossen | sorry, what is oftc? |
| 04:11.24 | simonrvn | !oftc |
| 04:11.25 | dpkg | oftc is, like, the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 04:11.45 | Linuturk | simonrvn: it isn't in the backports, unforunately. I already have that repo enabled |
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| 04:13.03 | tomossen | i got here through freenode. is this channel you refer to when you mention "the one on oftc is the closest thing to official"? |
| 04:13.11 | simonrvn | then do the "simple sid backport"; it works for lenny too ;) |
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| 04:13.35 | simonrvn | tomossen, what? |
| 04:14.07 | tomossen | sinonrvn: is this the official chat channel for debian users? |
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| 04:14.40 | simonrvn | re-read what i said |
| 04:14.48 | Tramp | tomossen: [06:11:04] <simonrvn> no, there isn't any <-- what exactly confuses you? |
| 04:15.13 | tomossen | when he said : the one on oftc is the closest thing to official |
| 04:15.40 | simonrvn | that doesn't mean a) that it is b) it isn't this network.... what is hard to understand about *that*? |
| 04:16.15 | tomossen | simonrvn: is it or is it not? if it is not, then which one is? |
| 04:16.29 | Tramp | there isn't any |
| 04:16.39 | Tramp | we're trapped in a timeloop. |
| 04:16.52 | tomossen | is this one the closest to an official one? |
| 04:17.00 | simonrvn | ... |
| 04:17.13 | tomossen | if not, which is the closest? |
| 04:17.25 | simonrvn | adds an /ignore |
| 04:18.07 | tomossen | can't even handle simple question, how to be able to handle more difficult one? |
| 04:18.16 | tomossen | bunch of dummies here. |
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| 04:18.38 | simonrvn | yeh, you are a troll. go away |
| 04:18.51 | Coweater | there isn't an official one, irc.debian.org points to oftc, end of story |
| 04:19.07 | tomossen | that's all you can say when you can't answer simple question. |
| 04:19.21 | tomossen | i hope not all debianers are as dumb as you. |
| 04:19.23 | simonrvn | tomossen, and you call *us* "dummies"? aren't you projecting your own insecurities onto us there? |
| 04:19.37 | tomossen | not at all. |
| 04:19.45 | Linuturk | ok, weird. I just tried to go from etch to lenny. I modified my sources list, I updated, but then apt-get dist-upgrade does nothing ? |
| 04:19.48 | simonrvn | THAT *WAS* YOUR QUESTION. |
| 04:19.59 | tomossen | i am secured and confident about what i want to know. |
| 04:20.24 | tomossen | which was my question? |
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| 04:21.02 | tomossen | Coweater: sorry, miss your reply. it is right to the point. thks. |
| 04:21.46 | tomossen | simonrvn: learn fr Coweater. Eat cows! :D |
| 04:21.56 | Phil4 | looks at the large footprints by the door |
| 04:22.12 | Phil4 | looks like we have a troll tonight |
| 04:22.36 | Linuturk | something must be going wrong. I'm trying to upgrade to lenny from etch. I've modified my sources.list, and apt-get update. Then, I apt-get dist-upgrade, and no packages are upgraded? |
| 04:22.40 | Linuturk | why? |
| 04:22.46 | tomossen | another dummy who see a troll in every shadow. |
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| 04:24.24 | Waistless | hey, does anyone know how to get rid of that annoying system beep? |
| 04:24.40 | n3kl | Waistless: try xset |
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| 04:24.43 | Waistless | I got rid of it before with modprobe -r pcspkr and blacklisting it, but now it's returned on logon |
| 04:24.55 | n3kl | Waistless: I think |
| 04:24.59 | tomossen | Linuturk: try another source. |
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| 04:25.20 | Waistless | n3kl: thanks |
| 04:25.22 | Linuturk | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 04:25.28 | Linuturk | tomossen: shouldn't that work? |
| 04:25.43 | Waistless | i'll just check that's worked.. |
| 04:25.44 | n3kl | Waistless: I throw that in my .bash_profile |
| 04:25.45 | simonrvn | remove the last / |
| 04:26.03 | tomossen | Linuturk: there are many reasons. firstly, is your link ok? any action during update? |
| 04:26.10 | simonrvn | !mirrors |
| 04:26.10 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 04:26.13 | NetEcho | apt-spy |
| 04:26.15 | NetEcho | :D |
| 04:26.21 | NetEcho | !apt-spy |
| 04:26.21 | dpkg | from memory, apt-spy is a secret! Shh! 'Mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' Note that it will overwrite your sources.list when finished, so (1) cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak (2) apt-get install apt-spy (3) apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] (4) fix your sources.list by adding back in any other mirrors you had been using. |
| 04:26.22 | mrkeishii | is debian a Live Install? |
| 04:26.31 | simonrvn | !debian-live |
| 04:26.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is still in the early stage of development, but has basic functionality and can be run successfully. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/, or irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-live |
| 04:26.55 | simonrvn | mrkeishii: otherwise no |
| 04:27.02 | mrkeishii | so text then? |
| 04:27.06 | Linuturk | tomossen: no action during upgrade, but the update seems to go fine. |
| 04:27.20 | simonrvn | there's a gtk installer too |
| 04:27.25 | simonrvn | (gtk2) |
| 04:27.40 | mrkeishii | so how do i install debian? |
| 04:27.45 | tomossen | Linuturk: try 'testing' instead of 'lenny'. |
| 04:28.13 | mrkeishii | so how do i install debian? |
| 04:28.27 | simonrvn | go to www.debian.org and see the many ways of how to do that |
| 04:28.34 | mrkeishii | i am |
| 04:28.42 | mrkeishii | is there like a video tutorial? |
| 04:28.49 | amphi | heh |
| 04:28.53 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 04:28.57 | Linuturk | lol |
| 04:29.11 | simonrvn | not an official one... there's the installation guide |
| 04:29.13 | Linuturk | no dice tomossen |
| 04:29.20 | mrkeishii | well okay |
| 04:29.21 | mrkeishii | thanks |
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| 04:29.39 | tomossen | Linuturk: no error msg to indicate anything wrong? |
| 04:29.52 | Linuturk | no, it's weird |
| 04:30.01 | Linuturk | it gets all the sources |
| 04:30.05 | Linuturk | I can search the new repos |
| 04:30.13 | Linuturk | dist-upgrade doesn't do squat though |
| 04:30.20 | simonrvn | use aptitude |
| 04:31.01 | tomossen | or try with synaptic. |
| 04:31.07 | Linuturk | negatory simonrvn |
| 04:31.14 | Linuturk | I don't have synaptic :-/ |
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| 04:31.27 | simonrvn | i didn't say synaptic |
| 04:31.33 | Tramp | Linuturk: pastebin the output of apt-cache policy libc6 |
| 04:31.57 | tomossen | Linuturk: sorry, this is beyond me. |
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| 04:32.30 | Linuturk | http://pastebin.ca/990454 Tramp |
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| 04:33.42 | Miesco | How do you copy a DVD to another DVD |
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| 04:33.55 | n3kl | Miesco: k3b, k9copy |
| 04:34.01 | Tramp | Linuturk: I bet the "-1" is the reason for the problem .... |
| 04:34.44 | Linuturk | o, I bet /etc/apt/preferences has something to do with this |
| 04:34.46 | Linuturk | :-/ |
| 04:35.02 | Miesco | n3kl: I made an iso with gnomebaker, then, I burned it to a DL DVD, its all fuzzy and stuff the DVD |
| 04:35.08 | Miesco | Did I do it wrong? |
| 04:35.30 | Miesco | Like when I play it on my computer its fuzzy |
| 04:35.37 | n3kl | Miesco: how did you burn it? |
| 04:35.45 | Miesco | n3kl: nautilus |
| 04:36.09 | Linuturk | that was it. I feel stupid now :-/ live and learn :) |
| 04:36.11 | Wyzard | Miesco: that has nothing to do with how you burned it... what did you use to encode the video? |
| 04:36.11 | n3kl | Miesco: dunno man, prolly. Did you just copy the files? |
| 04:36.20 | n3kl | Miesco: what do you mean fuzzy? |
| 04:36.22 | Tramp | Linuturk: glad I could help - somehow ... |
| 04:36.41 | Miesco | I just made an iso image of the DVD, then just burned it to another DVD |
| 04:36.46 | Miesco | So I guess I just copied the files |
| 04:36.54 | Linuturk | Tramp: I'm a *buntu guy mostly. the preferences file is all new for me, and I just copied it out of a wiki for something |
| 04:36.56 | tomossen | Linuturk: can you tell us what was not set or not set right in Preference? |
| 04:37.00 | n3kl | Miesco: we are talking video here, right? |
| 04:37.12 | Linuturk | tomossen: I can pastebin it |
| 04:37.16 | Miesco | Its fuzzy cause like you can see the movie but there's all these multicolor squares on some of the picture |
| 04:37.17 | tomossen | k |
| 04:37.22 | Miesco | And the sound skips also |
| 04:37.24 | Tramp | Linuturk: I don't have it - it doesn't exist by default afaik |
| 04:37.37 | Miesco | n3kl: Yea, DVD9, Phantom Menace (Star Wars Episode 1) |
| 04:37.48 | Miesco | Awsome movie |
| 04:37.51 | Wyzard | Miesco: That's the copy protection on the original DVD |
| 04:38.20 | Linuturk | Tramp: right, there was some backport package I needed, and I pulled this: http://pastebin.ca/990459 from a wiki page. |
| 04:38.21 | Miesco | Wyzard: Hows the copy protection work? |
| 04:38.24 | n3kl | Miesco: I don't think you created the ISO correctly. You have to get a program that will decrypt and decode the video for you, then create an iso. I can't tell you about nautilus er whatever as I am a kde fan, but I have good luck with k9copy |
| 04:38.26 | Linuturk | tomossen: ^ |
| 04:38.33 | tomossen | k |
| 04:38.42 | Miesco | So just use k9copy? |
| 04:38.46 | n3kl | Miesco: doom9.org has good information on how dvds work if you are interested |
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| 04:38.51 | Miesco | k |
| 04:39.02 | n3kl | Miesco: I can't tell you what to use, but I have had good luck with it |
| 04:39.08 | Wyzard | Miesco: DVD copy protection works by encrypting parts of the video stream |
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| 04:39.12 | tomossen | Linuturk: its blank. |
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| 04:39.28 | Wyzard | Miesco: The decryption key is contained on the original disc, in a special area that doesn't get copied as part of an iso |
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| 04:39.45 | Miesco | I have to install KDE-BASE now |
| 04:39.47 | Web-Kanotix45 | hey |
| 04:39.51 | Linuturk | tomossen: try reloading, it works for me |
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| 04:40.02 | Linuturk | http://pastebin.ca/990459 << tomossen |
| 04:40.02 | Web-Kanotix45 | I accidently unplugged my computer when it was running |
| 04:40.03 | Wyzard | Miesco: There are tools to extract the key and decrypt the video, but they're offtopic here and illegal in some countries anyway; see doom9.org as n3kl said |
| 04:40.10 | Web-Kanotix45 | I have debian etch installed to the hd |
| 04:40.16 | Miesco | Wyzard: ooo, so k9copy decrypes it into an iso? |
| 04:40.25 | n3kl | Miesco: ug, I would do some googleing if thats not what you want to use. I know I had installing libs for gnome when I run kde |
| 04:40.37 | Wyzard | Miesco: I've never used k9copy, so I don't know what it does |
| 04:40.44 | Miesco | No its cool, I can use k9copy |
| 04:40.50 | n3kl | Wyzard: everything |
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| 04:41.00 | Miesco | n3kl: k9copy will decrypt it for me? |
| 04:41.08 | n3kl | Wyzard: its like dvdshrink on windows |
| 04:41.21 | n3kl | Miesco: yes, install libdvdcss |
| 04:41.25 | lsemple | whenever I boot I got "error loading operating system", so I reinstalled grub, and now grub appears, but when I select my kernel I get "file not found" |
| 04:41.37 | Wyzard | n3kl: hmm... from the package description it sounds like it recompresses the video too |
| 04:41.53 | Miesco | Dont you need to decrypt the video to play it on your computer? |
| 04:41.57 | lsemple | this was all caused from me unplugging my computer while it was running (accidently of course) |
| 04:42.08 | lsemple | does anyone have experience with grub |
| 04:42.09 | lsemple | ? |
| 04:42.20 | Wyzard | n3kl: Unless that's actually necessary (e.g. source is a dual-layer), it'd be preferable to keep the original .iso intact aside from decrypting the CSS'ed blocks |
| 04:42.24 | n3kl | Wyzard: it can, with dvdshirnk does also, but what is cool, is deselecting the menus so you don't have to comress the video, then take a regular dvd and burn it to 4.3G |
| 04:42.34 | Miesco | So you HAVE to make programs to decrypt it to play on your computer? |
| 04:42.52 | Miesco | n3kl: But I want DVD9 |
| 04:43.07 | Wyzard | Miesco: The point of DVD copy protection is that only "authorized" DVD players can play it correctly |
| 04:43.20 | Miesco | So linux is an authorized DVD player? |
| 04:43.36 | n3kl | Miesco: what is dvd9, you mean DL? |
| 04:43.40 | Miesco | Yep |
| 04:43.41 | Wyzard | Miesco: No, "authorized" players are made by companies who have signed non-disclosure agreements in exchange for CSS decryption keys |
| 04:44.01 | Miesco | So that libdvdcss is illegal? |
| 04:44.03 | Wyzard | Miesco: but the CSS protection system has been cracked, so it's possible for anyone to get the key and play the video, "authorized" or not |
| 04:44.10 | Nyle | Miesco, not illegal |
| 04:44.20 | Miesco | Only in some countries? |
| 04:44.21 | Wyzard | Miesco: It's illegal in some countries (in the USA, it violates the Digital Milennium Copyright Act; some other countries have similar laws) |
| 04:44.24 | Nyle | well not everywhere |
| 04:44.26 | Nyle | yes that |
| 04:44.29 | Miesco | What about Canada |
| 04:44.47 | Miesco | So you can get busted from playing DVD's on linux? |
| 04:45.10 | n3kl | Miesco: you can get busted for jaywalking |
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| 04:45.13 | Tramp | you may want to ask a lawyer for details, if it troubles you |
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| 04:45.37 | Tramp | this is more a technical oriented channel |
| 04:45.39 | Miesco | Tramp: My Moms a lawyer, but she's sleeping, and litagation :) |
| 04:46.10 | Wyzard | Miesco: I don't know about Canadian law specifically, but in the US and probably most sane jurisdictions, copyright infringement is a civil offense, not a crime, unless it's done on a large scale |
| 04:46.22 | Wyzard | Miesco: meaning that the movie studio could sue you for playing their DVD on Linux |
| 04:46.38 | Wyzard | Miesco: but from a publicity standpoint they'd be stupid to do so |
| 04:47.21 | Miesco | Okay gotcha, the key is kinda stupid this, I heard they already cracked it for blueray and they said it would take at least 10 years |
| 04:47.41 | Wyzard | Miesco: so the main effect of laws like the DMCA is that organizations like Debian can't distribute libdvdcss (since a distribution is a bigger target than an individual user, and there'd be a real risk of being sued) |
| 04:47.44 | n3kl | That seems stupid though. If I go buy a dvd, I should be able to do with it what I will, play it on anything under the sun that will read it. wtf |
| 04:48.21 | Miesco | Debian doesn't distrube libdvdcss, is it Debian Multimedia I guess that has it? |
| 04:48.37 | Wyzard | Miesco: that's a different story... don't want to get too offtopic, but in short, the Blu-Ray crack is for all *currently*-released discs; future ones will use different keys and those will need to be cracked again |
| 04:48.45 | Wyzard | Miesco: right, debian-multimedia has it |
| 04:48.53 | Miesco | Okay |
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| 04:50.20 | Miesco | Okay cool, so when DELL sells linux WITH DVD playback they have an authorized library thats closed sourced? |
| 04:50.44 | Wyzard | Miesco: Presumably, yes... does Dell actually provide DVD support? |
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| 04:51.04 | n3kl | Dell ships linux servers, not desktops |
| 04:51.07 | Wyzard | Specifically, encrypted DVD support? |
| 04:51.09 | Miesco | Wyzard: Yea, it says that the ubuntu computers have added DVD playback |
| 04:51.14 | Miesco | n3kl: wrong |
| 04:51.21 | Miesco | n3kl: They do now |
| 04:51.24 | Wyzard | Unencrypted DVDs don't need libdvdcss and can be played without breaking any laws |
| 04:51.25 | n3kl | link me |
| 04:51.41 | Miesco | http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs |
| 04:52.16 | n3kl | Miesco: news to me |
| 04:52.47 | Wyzard | Miesco: There's a company called Fluendo that's licensed the DVD stuff and has a closed-source codec: http://www.fluendo.com/products.php?product=dvd |
| 04:53.07 | Wyzard | If Dell's systems include support for copy-protected DVDs, they probably use that |
| 04:53.14 | Miesco | n3kl: lenevo does too, HP is being a bit stuborn but they are now selling their first desktop linux computer, but its a UMPC |
| 04:54.33 | n3kl | Miesco: meh, I am not to worried about it |
| 04:54.34 | Miesco | I dont care about being legal, just curious, I would much rather use the open source library |
| 04:54.54 | n3kl | I think that if linux itself was illegal, I would still run it |
| 04:55.16 | kisei | !unstable |
| 04:55.16 | dpkg | from memory, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
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| 04:55.52 | n3kl | I don't really care about the laws, this is still the wild west in terms of the computer age, and until the old farts in power die off and the new people in power realize that the petty games are bullshit, whats the point of not using the cool technology at your fingertips |
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| 04:56.19 | Miesco | n3kl: Yea, no matter how communist they get they will never govern digital data |
| 04:56.27 | Guerin | wtf |
| 04:56.43 | n3kl | Guerin: that what I am saying man =] |
| 04:57.08 | Guerin | i was remarking on Miesco's `communist' comment |
| 04:57.27 | n3kl | Miesco: You in the US? |
| 04:57.40 | hoxu | would make sense |
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| 04:58.49 | heroxbd | What package is supposed to add group Debian-exim? When I install exim-config, error "/usr/sbin/dpkg-statoverride: non-existing group Debian-exim" jumps up. |
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| 04:59.03 | Miesco | Guerin: Well sorry, I could of used a better term, 'stalinism communism' |
| 04:59.12 | Miesco | n3kl: Canda |
| 04:59.15 | Miesco | Canada |
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| 04:59.24 | Wyzard | heroxbd: IIRC, exim-config is an old exim3 package |
| 04:59.27 | n3kl | what are you concerned about then man |
| 04:59.34 | Wyzard | heroxbd: exim4 is current |
| 04:59.35 | Miesco | Nothing |
| 04:59.44 | n3kl | cool |
| 04:59.44 | Guerin | Miesco: it's so refreshing to see someone who knows how politically and historically illiterate they are |
| 04:59.49 | hoxu | heroxbd, what version of debian are you using? |
| 05:00.00 | n3kl | haha |
| 05:00.00 | heroxbd | Oh, I'm sorry. it's exim4-config. I am on sid. |
| 05:00.11 | enouf | Miesco: the correct today terminology is the Almighty CCCP |
| 05:00.16 | hoxu | heroxbd, I'm assuming you checked the bts then :p |
| 05:00.42 | heroxbd | hoxu: I will check it right away. |
| 05:00.53 | Miesco | Guerin: I hate politics, dont even discuss it, so I guess I shouldn't use any *isms, sorry |
| 05:01.05 | Guerin | Miesco: it shows. |
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| 05:01.33 | lsemple | anyone here know how to repair a broken grub ? |
| 05:01.33 | Miesco | Guerin: You a communist? |
| 05:01.46 | lsemple | a result of unplugging the computer while it was on (accidently) ? |
| 05:01.50 | heroxbd | hoxu: Is there a command line tool to check the bts. I don't like the http interface. |
| 05:02.01 | Guerin | lsemple: depends how it's broken. That shouldn't break it, though. |
| 05:02.02 | Wyzard | lsemple: That shouldn't break grub |
| 05:02.25 | lsemple | well, after accidently unplugging the computer |
| 05:02.34 | lsemple | I got "error loading operating system" |
| 05:02.39 | Guerin | Miesco: i'm as much a communist as you are an postneoantidisestablishemntarianist. |
| 05:02.44 | lsemple | so, I went to my distro irc channel |
| 05:02.47 | Guerin | err, s/an/a/ |
| 05:03.03 | lsemple | found out how to repair grub, did that, now grub menu works when I boot |
| 05:03.05 | Guerin | lsemple: which is which channel? |
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| 05:03.20 | lsemple | but, I get error 15 "file not found" when I try to boot the kernel I always used |
| 05:03.24 | Miesco | Guerin: Is that a real word? Cause if so I think I read it in a book by James Joyce |
| 05:03.28 | lsemple | Geurin: Kanotix |
| 05:03.32 | lsemple | so |
| 05:03.46 | Guerin | Miesco: 'course. |
| 05:03.47 | enouf | that was Joyce Randolph :-p |
| 05:03.51 | lsemple | I think the problem is the configuration files in /boot and /boot/grub |
| 05:03.58 | Wyzard | Miesco: antidisestablishmentarianism is a real word; Guerin's is a plausible variant of it |
| 05:03.58 | lsemple | the menu doesnt know where the kernel is |
| 05:04.23 | lsemple | so I have to edit the grub menu, but I dont know how |
| 05:04.23 | Guerin | !grub error 15 |
| 05:04.26 | Guerin | hm |
| 05:04.28 | enouf | coined via Ralph Kramden of 328 Chauncey St |
| 05:04.34 | Guerin | lsemple: google "grub error 15" |
| 05:05.08 | Wyzard | Miesco: I *think* antidisestablishmentarianism is the second-longest English word after pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis (which doesn't really count because that was made-up for the purpose of being the longest word) |
| 05:05.23 | Guerin | Wyzard: i can assure you (with some sadness) that it's an offshoot of antidisestablishmentarianism (the people who believe neoantidisestablishmentarianism, another offshoot, is passe). |
| 05:06.05 | Guerin | Wyzard: i made a class of 6th-graders learn how to spell 'em both |
| 05:06.10 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 05:06.13 | enouf | is just a plain old dissident aggressor |
| 05:06.20 | Guerin | korean 6th-graders, no less |
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| 05:07.17 | heroxbd | Does manually add a Debian-exim group suffient? I have gone through the bts and did not find an answer. |
| 05:08.18 | n3kl | Guerin: what does that even mean? |
| 05:08.32 | enouf | heroxbd: my orig install created one, itself |
| 05:09.06 | enouf | heroxbd: maybe update-exim<tab><tab> |
| 05:09.32 | Guerin | n3kl: believes separating church and state was a bad idea, generally |
| 05:09.36 | enouf | (not that it in itself will create a group) |
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| 05:09.39 | Miesco | n3kl: So just select all the titles and it go to copy? |
| 05:09.41 | Guerin | n3kl: it gets a lot more complicated, but that's the essence |
| 05:10.29 | enouf | so postneo is the SkyNet versions? :-P |
| 05:10.42 | enouf | s/is/are |
| 05:10.42 | Guerin | enouf: no and yes :) |
| 05:10.48 | enouf | heh |
| 05:10.52 | n3kl | Miesco: I select only what I want, then I unselect keep original menus. |
| 05:11.07 | n3kl | Guerin: do you subscribe to this? |
| 05:11.20 | Miesco | n3kl: I just want to make an exact copy |
| 05:11.24 | heroxbd | postneo? SkyNet? I didn't quite understand |
| 05:11.36 | Miesco | Minus encryption |
| 05:11.42 | Wyzard | heroxbd: SkyNet is a reference to the "Terminator" movies |
| 05:11.56 | Wyzard | heroxbd: Artificial intelligence that enslaved humanity |
| 05:12.07 | enouf | heroxbd: or ..ever seen any of the Matrix trilogy? |
| 05:12.09 | n3kl | Miesco: sure then, Just select evertyhing. |
| 05:12.11 | heroxbd | Wyzard: Oh I remember. |
| 05:12.14 | Guerin | and current series Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, sometimes described as `River Tam Beats Up Everyone' |
| 05:12.20 | Wyzard | lol |
| 05:12.29 | Wyzard | one of the best XKCD ever :-) |
| 05:12.35 | Guerin | n3kl: no, I think the separation of church and state in most modern states is essential |
| 05:12.40 | Guerin | Wyzard: totally. |
| 05:12.56 | n3kl | Wyzard: link me, I love that comic |
| 05:13.00 | Miesco | n3kl: Got any other cool KDE programs? |
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| 05:13.14 | Wyzard | n3kl: Have you watched Firefly? |
| 05:13.19 | n3kl | Miesco: yeah, lots! Try google. |
| 05:13.22 | n3kl | Wyzard: no |
| 05:13.27 | n3kl | Wyzard: movie? |
| 05:13.28 | Wyzard | n3kl: then you won't get it |
| 05:13.32 | Guerin | n3kl: then RTBEU will mean nothing to you. |
| 05:13.38 | Guerin | go watch firefly |
| 05:13.41 | Miesco | n3kl: Not for video, just any good program |
| 05:13.41 | Wyzard | n3kl: Firefly=TV series; Serenity=sequel movie |
| 05:13.43 | Guerin | than all its joys will be yours |
| 05:13.53 | n3kl | is it good? |
| 05:13.59 | Wyzard | quite |
| 05:14.08 | WaffleMatt | Firefly is ftw. |
| 05:14.13 | Guerin | yes, in a bunch of ways. Not so in other ways. |
| 05:14.16 | Miesco | Wyzard: Have you seen Star Wars Episode 1? |
| 05:14.19 | n3kl | no one of those funny cause its so lame shows or anything? Thinking value? |
| 05:14.20 | quentusrex | I have a system with dual ethernet cards. I want to connect a laptop 'below' this computer on my network. So rather than be directly connected, I want the laptop on a subnet controlled by the computer. How can I do this? |
| 05:14.20 | Guerin | but it is FTW |
| 05:14.36 | Wyzard | Miesco: I've seen 1, 2, 4-6, but not 3 |
| 05:14.39 | Guerin | n3kl: hell no. Guns and chicks and witty banter and space ships and real horses |
| 05:14.51 | n3kl | Guerin: nice |
| 05:15.02 | Miesco | Wyzard: Man, you need to watch 1, then 2, then 3, then 4-6, 3 will change your life |
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| 05:15.17 | n3kl | I bet there are quite a few political minded people in this room |
| 05:15.22 | Guerin | Miesco: i disbelieve. I too have seen 1, 2, 4-6 |
| 05:15.30 | Guerin | can't bring myself to watch 3 |
| 05:15.38 | Miesco | Guerin: Why dont like 1 and 2? |
| 05:15.47 | Guerin | n3kl: everyone is political-minded. It is in nature. |
| 05:15.55 | Wyzard | Miesco: I saw 1 and 2 but wasn't interested enough to get around to watching 3 |
| 05:16.04 | Guerin | Miesco: because they're pitched at 9 year-olds and I'm not 9 any more. |
| 05:16.56 | n3kl | Guerin: seems to me that not enough people think for themselves, and the internet is a facinating place for changes to take place. Just never know that an error message you are helping to troubleshoot could be someone that you would really get along with. |
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| 05:17.00 | Miesco | Guerin: Why do you say that? The story is pretty complicated, with big words like Barrockade |
| 05:17.11 | Guerin | ... |
| 05:17.19 | Miesco | Guerin: You seen La Dolce Vita? |
| 05:17.21 | enouf | they recently ran 1 2 3 on the boob tube, i couldn't watch for more than 3 min of one, and like 30 sec of another |
| 05:17.27 | Guerin | `barricade' wasn't a big word for me when I was 9 |
| 05:17.44 | Miesco | Guerin: Well im from Canada |
| 05:17.52 | Guerin | Miesco: nope, but for different reasons. |
| 05:18.16 | Pyro | you guys should check out some of the fan re-edits of the prequels |
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| 05:18.26 | Guerin | that would be too geeky |
| 05:18.30 | Pyro | The Phantom Edit takes out all battle droid "roger, roger" etc |
| 05:18.37 | Pyro | takes out lots of Jar Jar |
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| 05:18.41 | Pyro | it's pretty good |
| 05:18.57 | Miesco | Thats why you guys dont like the prequels, cause of all the lame humor? |
| 05:19.01 | Pyro | the battle droids go from bumbling fools to silent killing machines |
| 05:19.04 | Miesco | Is that the only reason? |
| 05:19.09 | Guerin | one reason of many |
| 05:19.12 | Pyro | not the ONLY reason |
| 05:19.24 | Pyro | also, midiclorians |
| 05:19.26 | Guerin | cue askign for more reasons |
| 05:19.41 | Pyro | and bad acting |
| 05:19.48 | Pyro | and script, tbh |
| 05:19.50 | n3kl | Is this still about firefly? |
| 05:19.58 | Pyro | NO! Certainly not! |
| 05:20.06 | Pyro | I wouldn't say such things about Firefly! |
| 05:20.18 | Miesco | Tell me another reason, I really need to know, I would consider myself a movie buff and I love 8 1/2, but I also like The Prequels, are they as good as the originals? No, but I find them entertaining |
| 05:20.58 | Miesco | FireFly play in Canada? All the TV series I see on TV suck like, Lost, Greys Anatomy, The OC |
| 05:21.03 | n3kl | "lock stock and two smoking barrels" |
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| 05:21.22 | n3kl | Miesco: tried 24? |
| 05:21.28 | Wyzard | Miesco: It was aired a few years ago; you probably won't find it on TV anymore |
| 05:21.28 | Miesco | Only GOOD tv series I have seen are mini series like "Fanny and Alexander" (The movie version) |
| 05:21.33 | Wyzard | Miesco: It's on DVD now |
| 05:21.43 | n3kl | I like that "Planet Earth" show also |
| 05:21.53 | heroxbd | Great. a "addgroup --system Debian-exim4" just works. I don't know whether it is a bug. May system is at a mass. |
| 05:21.53 | Wyzard | Miesco: Buy it and put your libdvdcss to use :-) |
| 05:21.56 | Miesco | n3kl: I downloaded the HD DVD for it |
| 05:22.18 | Miesco | Nah, I rather watch it on my big widescreen TV |
| 05:22.28 | Miesco | Even though its legal |
| 05:23.51 | Miesco | Guerin: Im curious, what would an intelligent person like yourself (not being sarcastic) think is one of the best films ever made |
| 05:25.35 | Miesco | !dpkg debian |
| 05:26.53 | Guerin | Miesco: depends what you mean. Film was my undergrad major and I currently study propaganda and work as a media analyst, so an example of an awesome film which hiuts all those spos is Leni Riefenstahl's Triumph des Willens, which, even if you don't realise, you've seen bits of. |
| 05:27.18 | Guerin | and to which all the Star Wars films owe a massive artistic debt |
| 05:28.18 | Miesco | Guerin: Its a propaganda film, are you being sarcastic? |
| 05:29.49 | Guerin | Miesco: absolutely not, it's absolutely exceptional. Just because it's a documentary (of an especially partisan nature) don't make it no good. |
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| 05:30.33 | Guerin | i could argue the Star Wars films are Cold War propaganda, after all :) |
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| 05:30.56 | Miesco | Guerin: Is it hard to find? |
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| 05:31.51 | Guerin | Triumph des Willens? Nope, it's easy. The commonly-available one is even annotated by the US Dept of War or somesuch, so it's propaganda on top of propaganda :) |
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| 05:32.42 | Miesco | Guerin: Is the actual film changed at all in the annotated version? |
| 05:33.06 | Guerin | Miesco: no, just English subtitles and some annotations added. |
| 05:33.14 | gigo |  hi, unzipped the ls man page, ls.1.gz and tried to see it with nroff ls.1, but it shows blank, why? |
| 05:33.35 | Miesco | Guerin: I guess I wouldn't find it at blockbuster? |
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| 05:38.08 | Guerin | Miesco: guess not. Try your local art-house shop. Many places ban it because of the Nazi subject matter. Riefenstahl's other famous film is Olympia, which covered the 1936 Berlin Olympics. A few of us are getting together over a few beers ahead of the Beijing opening ceremonies for a double-bill, to see how much things have changed in totalitarian states :) |
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| 05:38.52 | gigo | how to install the man pages for gcc, etc.? |
| 05:39.14 | gigo | currently I get: No manual entry for gcc See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available. |
| 05:39.39 | elky | Guerin, and this has what to do with debian? :Ã |
| 05:40.09 | Miesco | Guerin: art-house shop? Whats that? I go to my local library to get older non-english films |
| 05:40.24 | Miesco | elky: I was wondering when someone was going to bring that up lol |
| 05:40.47 | elky | Miesco, Guerin is in #debian-offtopic, it might be a more appropriate place |
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| 05:41.13 | liable | gigo: manpages-dev |
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| 05:43.41 | Guerin | elky: free software is communist, says Miesco! |
| 05:43.45 | markybob | damnit kmuto...c'mon, 2.6.25 kernel installer! |
| 05:43.54 | Miesco | Guerin: No I didn't |
| 05:44.12 | Miesco | Guerin: I said trying to govern software is communist |
| 05:44.28 | Guerin | Miesco: equally stupid statement, but nevertheless |
| 05:44.36 | Miesco | I know this |
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| 05:45.26 | lsemple | how can I repair my grub from a live cd ? |
| 05:45.36 | lsemple | the menu is pointing to the wrong file or something |
| 05:45.54 | lsemple | I get error 15 when I try to boot |
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| 05:48.39 | Guerin | lsemple: you've been told. |
| 05:49.35 | lsemple | Guerin: I tried to google for it with no help |
| 05:49.40 | lsemple | luck |
| 05:50.13 | Guerin | lsemple: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml?style=printable |
| 05:50.19 | Guerin | luck has nothing to do with anything |
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| 05:55.39 | Wyzard | wonders why the "wipe" program is taking 25% of a 2.4GHz CPU... is /dev/urandom really that intensive? |
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| 05:56.02 | markybob | that and i/o is also intensive |
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| 05:57.35 | Wyzard | markybob: It's 25% user, 75% iowait |
| 05:57.45 | markybob | ya :) |
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| 05:58.19 | Wyzard | Does iowait actually take away from running other tasks? |
| 05:58.28 | markybob | yes it does |
| 05:58.28 | Wyzard | I would think the CPU could do other things while waiting for I/O |
| 05:58.36 | Wyzard | That's the whole point of DMA |
| 05:58.56 | lsemple | Guerin: none of that stuff works for me |
| 05:59.05 | Guerin | lsemple: then you aren't doing it right. |
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| 05:59.15 | Guerin | lsemple: or something else is wrong, like your drive is fucked |
| 05:59.38 | lsemple | fsck says it is fine |
| 05:59.56 | lsemple | It wont compile the kernel like that web page tells me to |
| 06:00.00 | lsemple | I get errors and warnings galore |
| 06:00.09 | Wyzard | but 25% CPU for non-iowait stuff? |
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| 06:00.28 | markybob | Wyzard yes. that's perfectly normal |
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| 06:01.00 | markybob | Wyzard that's why they sell hardware specialized for entropy |
| 06:01.48 | markybob | Wyzard at least urandom is non-blocking. use random instead to see how slow it really is |
| 06:01.53 | Wyzard | I guess the PRNG used by /dev/urandom is a bit more sophisticated than the simple rand() |
| 06:01.57 | Wyzard | yeah, I know about random vs. urandom |
| 06:02.24 | Wyzard | and I wish all CPUs had a built-in hardware RNG like the VIA ones do |
| 06:02.34 | Wyzard | hardware AES would be nice too (since I use disk encryption) |
| 06:02.49 | markybob | Wyzard seagate has those now. very nice |
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| 06:03.11 | Wyzard | hmm, dunno how much I'd trust crypto done within the drive itself |
| 06:03.39 | Wyzard | better to do it in the open-source auditable kernel |
| 06:03.41 | PythonNi1ja | i just installed xserver-xorg and xfonts-base on my new macppc machine (sid), and yet i don't have the commands startx and xinit .. what causes this? |
| 06:04.31 | markybob | PythonNi1ja apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 06:04.54 | PythonNi1ja | markybob: champion, is that where these always are, and are pulled in as dependencies? or is this new? |
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| 06:05.07 | neeed- | hi, anybody knows how-to update to gnome 2.20 on etch? |
| 06:05.21 | Guerin | PythonNi1ja: permanentwise. As much as anything is permanent on Sid. |
| 06:05.24 | Guerin | neeed-: no. |
| 06:05.32 | PythonNi1ja | ah cool |
| 06:05.36 | Guerin | neeed-: if you want new gnome, run new debian. |
| 06:05.50 | neeed- | only come on Sid |
| 06:06.03 | Guerin | neeed-: yes. Use Lenny and wait. |
| 06:06.06 | Wyzard | neeed-: stable releases don't get new versions of things (only updates for things like security) |
| 06:06.37 | PythonNi1ja | whoa.. debian is much faster than openBSD on mac.. what the? i've seen people saying that openBSD is the go for slower machines.. is it just that the bsd kernel doesn't like mac hardware? |
| 06:07.02 | neeed- | so i gonna have to compile |
| 06:07.06 | neeed- | on hand... |
| 06:07.18 | Guerin | PythonNi1ja: since OSX runs mach, I don't think that's it. |
| 06:07.21 | Wyzard | neeed-: bad idea, especially for something as big and complex as GNOME with lots and lots of dependencies |
| 06:07.30 | Guerin | neeed-: good luck with that. |
| 06:07.40 | neeed- | Guerin, ok thanks. |
| 06:08.02 | Wyzard | neeed-: You're more likely to break your system |
| 06:08.06 | PythonNi1ja | Guerin: yeah, i don't know. Well, compilation on my mac was scary fast.. but doing anything else was slow, i think it may have just been a sucky framebuffer/video driver |
| 06:08.08 | neeed- | Wyzard, that dont sound good |
| 06:08.27 | Guerin | PythonNi1ja: that seems plausible. |
| 06:08.48 | neeed- | i just gonna wait |
| 06:08.49 | PythonNi1ja | it does.. and crap.. the problem i was having with E17 turns out not to be specific to openBSD |
| 06:08.53 | neeed- | thanks Wyzard |
| 06:08.56 | neeed- | good night |
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| 06:09.15 | Wyzard | markybob: so why does sustained writing to a hard drive tie up 75% of a 2.4GHz CPU just waiting for I/O requests to finish? :-/ |
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| 06:14.17 | NetEcho | Wyzard 2.4GHz doesn't say much about the cpu |
| 06:14.33 | NetEcho | a model would be more explanatory |
| 06:14.34 | Wyzard | Core 2 Duo E6600 |
| 06:14.46 | NetEcho | and its using up 75% CPU for writing? |
| 06:14.56 | Wyzard | One core is pegged (roughly 25% user, 75% iowait) running wipe on a SATA-300 hard drive |
| 06:15.05 | NetEcho | my E6600 doesn't have that issue |
| 06:15.13 | NetEcho | how much ram you got? |
| 06:15.22 | Wyzard | 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
| 06:15.25 | Wyzard | 4GB RAM |
| 06:15.28 | NetEcho | amd64? |
| 06:15.35 | Wyzard | yep, 64-bit Debian |
| 06:15.48 | NetEcho | why the hell are you running a amd optimized kernel for a Core 2 Duo? |
| 06:15.55 | NetEcho | you should have a ia64 image |
| 06:16.05 | Wyzard | no, IA64 is Itanium |
| 06:16.21 | NetEcho | Core 2 Duo uses IA64 technology just like the old P4s |
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| 06:16.28 | Wyzard | Core 2 Duo is "Intel 64", formerly "em64t", which are just Intel names for the AMD64 instruction set architecture |
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| 06:17.34 | NetEcho | but that still raises the question as to why are you using a amd optimized kernel |
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| 06:17.45 | NetEcho | there is a Core 2 Duo option in the kernel configuration |
| 06:17.46 | Wyzard | "amd64", "x86_64", "x64", "em64t", and "Intel 64" are all names for the 64-bit extension of IA32 ("x86") that AMD created and Intel copied |
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| 06:18.26 | Wyzard | "IA64" is Intel's earlier 64-bit architecture that's not backward-compatible with IA32 (aside from software emulation, which is slow, and that's why Itanium flopped) |
| 06:19.34 | Wyzard | I'm not using a custom kernel, I'm using linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64, which is the only variant Debian provides |
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| 06:20.50 | Wyzard | note that packages like kernel-image-2.6-em64t-p4 are transition packages which depend on linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
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| 06:21.05 | Wyzard | anyway, none of this has anything to do with my iowait question :-) |
| 06:23.02 | Wyzard | SATA controller is AHCI, if it matters |
| 06:23.30 | NetEcho | and why aren't you compiling your own kernel? |
| 06:23.50 | Wyzard | no real benefit in doing so |
| 06:24.03 | Wyzard | so it's not worth the trouble |
| 06:24.19 | NetEcho | other then the fact that your kernel is trying to use extensions that arent available to itself in turn increasing the load for nothing |
| 06:24.56 | Wyzard | http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 06:25.07 | Wyzard | "The port consists of a kernel for all AMD 64bit CPUs with AMD64 extension and all Intel CPUs with EM64T extension, and a common 64bit userspace." |
| 06:25.22 | Wyzard | The -amd64 kernel is appropriate for both AMD and Intel processors |
| 06:25.31 | NetEcho | and also a very bulky kernel |
| 06:25.47 | NetEcho | I would know... my server used to run that kernel |
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| 06:26.24 | Wyzard | bulky in what way? |
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| 06:26.43 | Wyzard | I'm not concerned about unneeded .ko files taking up a few megabytes of disk space |
| 06:28.43 | Wyzard | hmm... according to http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/AIX-L/2004-04/0088.html iowait time is a sub-category of idle time on AIX |
| 06:28.51 | Wyzard | that may very well be true on Linux too, so maybe I shouldn't be worried |
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| 06:30.09 | Zoup | There was a mode of debian installation which does start sshd and allow remote users to continue installation , any idea how to do this ? |
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| 06:31.13 | hoxu | Zoup, what's your situation, another linux distro on the box and you want to install debian? |
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| 06:32.42 | filemon | Hi! A stupid question - How do I install Czech spellchecker? I was used to simple GUI in Ubuntu when setting this up and there's nothing in default Debian gnome.. |
| 06:33.07 | Zoup | hoxu: no , i want to build custom DI which does start SSHD on startup and allow me to continue setup for remote customers |
| 06:33.46 | Zoup | hoxu: i can remember that Debian installer were able to do that somehow |
| 06:33.54 | hoxu | !custom d-i |
| 06:33.54 | dpkg | it has been said that custom d-i is http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CD |
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| 06:34.14 | Zoup | hoxu: do they really help ? :) |
| 06:34.19 | Zoup | hoxu: already read them all |
| 06:34.26 | hoxu | really? |
| 06:34.29 | marc7 | don't suppose anyone here is familiar with pureftpd-ldap, are they? |
| 06:34.55 | Zoup | hoxu: all i want is to make DI to run SSHD on startup , create a user with shell to Debian installer |
| 06:34.59 | Zoup | hoxu: yup |
| 06:35.15 | Zoup | and im pretty sure that DI were able to do that , i just cant remember how |
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| 06:35.50 | hoxu | Zoup, I'm afraid I can't help, never heard of such thing |
| 06:36.01 | Zoup | hoxu: thank you :) |
| 06:36.12 | hoxu | ha-ha. |
| 06:36.28 | hoxu | marc7, /msg dpkg ask-to-ask :p |
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| 06:39.16 | marc7 | hoxu: it's a hopeless question. I have installed the pure-ftpd-ldap package on debian, but I can't seem to get it to authenticate off my directory... and I'm having a hard time turning up the verbosity or debug level any higher up than it already is to try and figure out why it's not succeeding. |
| 06:39.36 | marc7 | I've configured /etc/pure-ftpd/db/ldap.conf with basically root credentials to bind to my directory... i see packets flying back and forth between my LDAP server upon a user-attempted login, and if I believe the filter that pure-ftpd is using to match users in my directory is the same one in the config file... then it should be able to pull the user |
| 06:42.16 | marc7 | hoxu: see how this might be a problem for #pureftpd, or mailing lists or some such thing? :) |
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| 06:43.11 | hoxu | marc7, perhaps... sunday morning might not reach many pure-ftpd + ldap users here ;) |
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| 06:46.34 | arussel | I have packages install with aptitude that cabal(installed from source) doesn't seem to find ? What can I do ? |
| 06:47.21 | hoxu | arussel, "doesn't seem to find" - show us the errors or whatever |
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| 06:48.49 | markybob | !equivs |
| 06:48.50 | dpkg | equivs is probably a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 06:49.18 | hoxu | I don't think that's the problem here |
| 06:49.28 | Wyzard | arussel: cabal meaning the Haskell build system? |
| 06:49.54 | arussel | Wyzard: yes |
| 06:50.01 | arussel | hoxu: http://pastebin.com/m36bde761 |
| 06:50.33 | Wyzard | arussel: The ghc6 package Provides: libghc6-cabal-dev in etch |
| 06:51.19 | Wyzard | arussel: In sid, there's actually a package by that name, whose description says "This package will provide the infrastructure necessary to build Cabalized packages on Debian machines, or to Debianize those packages." |
| 06:51.39 | Wyzard | arussel: The fact that ghc6 claims to provide it suggests that you probably don't need to install it manually |
| 06:51.39 | arussel | Wyzard: thanks, I'll have a look at the doc. |
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| 06:52.36 | arussel | Wyzard: I needed to have the latest version to install yi |
| 06:53.14 | arussel | Wyzard: I 'll have a look at libghc6-cabal-doc. |
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| 07:04.28 | piko | Hi, I have IBM notebook with cpufreqd and current kernel installed and I can not make it change the CPU frequency in more than three steps 800 - 1600 - 2000 while it know how to do. |
| 07:04.32 | piko | Could anyone advise? |
| 07:05.36 | Zoup | anyone has any idea how can i start network-console in debian installer by default ? |
| 07:06.13 | Wyzard | piko: Those are probably the only frequency steps the processor supports |
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| 07:06.16 | markybob | piko that's normal. that's all you can do |
| 07:06.57 | piko | Wyzard: markybob but it should not, I saw probably 8 steps on T41 I installed before where the frequency went even to 0 |
| 07:07.11 | piko | I will sed some configs ... |
| 07:07.15 | piko | s/sed/send/ |
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| 07:07.40 | markybob | different processors have different steps. no way you had a process go to 0%, though |
| 07:07.44 | Wyzard | piko: If you saw something onscreen claiming that the processor's current frequency was zero, it was lying to you |
| 07:07.51 | markybob | processor* |
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| 07:09.04 | Wyzard | piko: 3 steps is normal though; my Z60m does 800, 1333, and 1733 |
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| 07:09.12 | WormFood | piko, you are lucky, my ibm laptop will only run at 1200 and 1800Mhz |
| 07:09.23 | WormFood | I wished it would go lower, but it won't |
| 07:10.16 | WormFood | type "cpufreq-info" |
| 07:10.26 | Wyzard | piko: The eight throttling levels you saw might have been ACPI T-states; see http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling#A_note_about_CPU_throttling |
| 07:10.32 | WormFood | available frequency steps: 1.80 GHz, 1.20 GHz <-- my laptop |
| 07:11.00 | Wyzard | piko: My aforementioned Z60m does list eight T-states in /proc/acpi/processor/CPU/throttling |
| 07:11.09 | WormFood | so does mine Wyzard |
| 07:11.32 | WormFood | those do not reflect the different speeds available |
| 07:12.02 | Wyzard | right |
| 07:12.26 | piko | WormFood: Wyzard, well, I have T0-T7 and C0-C8 so I think it shoud be possible .. |
| 07:12.56 | markybob | piko sorry, it's not |
| 07:12.57 | WormFood | piko, did you run "cpufreq-info"? |
| 07:13.19 | WormFood | piko, run "cpufreq-info" and it will tell you what your laptop is capable of running at |
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| 07:14.37 | WormFood | I don't understand how people can come here and ask for help, and after you give them the answer, they tell you are wrong |
| 07:14.52 | WormFood | when they don't have a clue as to what they are talking about |
| 07:14.58 | WormFood | piko, what does "cpufreq-info" say? |
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| 07:18.22 | WormFood | did evolution break in sid with the latest updates? |
| 07:19.02 | WormFood | I see evolution-data-server was updated, and since then, I have not been able to connect to my ssl imap server, but fetchmail connects fine (which leads me to believe it is not in the server) |
| 07:19.40 | WormFood | this god damn shit is driving me crazy....I can't respond to my fuckin' emails, and people think I'm ignoring them....I fuckin' hate evolution |
| 07:19.43 | piko | WormFood: Oh, sorry, you are right, I was reading the thinkpad-wiki |
| 07:20.01 | Wyzard | WormFood: It's working for me, and I'm using IMAP with SSL |
| 07:20.14 | WormFood | what version of ssl? |
| 07:20.16 | Wyzard | WormFood: running up-to-date amd64 sid, and I just restarted it |
| 07:20.17 | WormFood | ssl 2 or ssl3? |
| 07:20.25 | markybob | WormFood you should just give up and use gmail |
| 07:20.57 | WormFood | markybob, don't say anything if you can't be helpful |
| 07:21.05 | Wyzard | WormFood: How can I check? |
| 07:21.13 | WormFood | I don't know |
| 07:21.17 | markybob | gmail can use imap. i think that's useful :P |
| 07:21.22 | Wyzard | WormFood: then neither do I |
| 07:21.26 | WormFood | I can look in my imap server logs and see what it is connecting with |
| 07:21.38 | WormFood | can you see your imap server logs? |
| 07:21.47 | WormFood | markybob, I run my own mail server |
| 07:21.53 | WormFood | it has custom mods done to it |
| 07:22.02 | WormFood | I have my own domain |
| 07:22.07 | WormFood | using gmail is NOT an option |
| 07:22.08 | Wyzard | WormFood: No, the server is run by a virtual-hosting company so I don't have control over it |
| 07:22.14 | WormFood | ahh |
| 07:22.28 | piko | WormFood: you know, I thought I set it already, but the fan is running even if nothing demanding is running. I was surprised because while I started it for first time, and Windows installation started, it seemed to be quiet |
| 07:22.47 | piko | So I doubted about mys linux setup |
| 07:22.57 | WormFood | my server was restarted (I don't know why, because I can't contact anyone there), and that is when I noticed the problem, but I don't think the problem is with the server, because it always worked before, and nothing was changed, but I do see changes with evolution |
| 07:23.02 | markybob | piko unfortunately windows does tend to have better acpi support |
| 07:23.33 | WormFood | piko, I found that some of the power saving software for Linux runs backwards |
| 07:23.46 | Wyzard | WormFood: Sounds like maybe something got changed on the server |
| 07:23.53 | WormFood | I noticed my laptop ran at 100% speed, and when I used it, it dropped down to 66% |
| 07:24.09 | WormFood | Wyzard, I can guarantee nothing got changed on the server, unless it got corrupted somehow |
| 07:24.19 | WormFood | it has been working beautifully, and not it is problems |
| 07:24.19 | Wyzard | WormFood: That may be throttling to reduce heat, since the CPU gets hotter when it's under load |
| 07:24.21 | Wyzard | Mine does that too |
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| 07:24.38 | piko | WormFood: oh, but I can see 800 MHz (lowest) for the entire time I watch it |
| 07:24.39 | WormFood | but why would it run at 100% when it is IDLE? that makes NO SENSE! |
| 07:25.02 | Wyzard | WormFood: Keep in mind that there could've been a configuration change on the server made at some point in the past, that didn't take effect until the recent restart |
| 07:25.03 | WormFood | now I got it working right |
| 07:25.16 | Wyzard | WormFood: because it's running on AC and not overheating so there's no need to cool down or save power |
| 07:25.26 | WormFood | Wyzard, I can't imagine how, I'm the only person with root access on that box |
| 07:25.40 | WormFood | it does not overheat |
| 07:25.40 | piko | WormFood: does it use throttling or dynamic frequency scaling? |
| 07:25.50 | WormFood | I don't remember |
| 07:25.55 | WormFood | I changed it and fixed it now |
| 07:26.38 | piko | WormFood: I just read about it: throttling - using NOPs to cool down, the other one also know how to lower voltage |
| 07:26.49 | WormFood | I uninstalled cpufreqd |
| 07:27.10 | piko | WormFood: I do not know what it uses, sorry I just began to study it |
| 07:27.10 | WormFood | I use the kernel module throttling |
| 07:27.14 | WormFood | it works great |
| 07:27.26 | WormFood | piko, you are in for some fun |
| 07:27.42 | WormFood | you'll spend a lot of time and get nothing accomplished, unless you get lucky |
| 07:27.49 | piko | WormFood: you mean in the game of laptop cooling? |
| 07:27.59 | WormFood | I can't even count the number of hours I spent trying to get it to work the way I wanted/expected |
| 07:28.00 | piko | WormFood: perhaps, I will set some time limit for it :) |
| 07:28.10 | WormFood | I don't know what your goals are |
| 07:28.18 | WormFood | but yeah, it is a game with the cpu throttling |
| 07:28.19 | piko | WormFood: to make it silent |
| 07:28.29 | WormFood | replace the fan |
| 07:28.32 | WormFood | how old is the laptop? |
| 07:28.36 | piko | WormFood: T61 |
| 07:28.39 | WormFood | is the fan bearing/bushing shot? |
| 07:28.42 | WormFood | oh, a new one |
| 07:28.45 | WormFood | I'm running a T30 |
| 07:28.51 | WormFood | I love me T30 |
| 07:28.55 | WormFood | strokes his T30 |
| 07:29.06 | piko | WormFood: as the most of IBM linux users :) |
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| 07:29.52 | WormFood | I can find a LOT of thinkpads in the computer flea markets around me |
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| 07:30.05 | WormFood | I mean, used thinkpads |
| 07:30.11 | WormFood | the new thinkpads are freaking expensive |
| 07:30.23 | WormFood | I live where they make the thinkpads, and they cost as much here as in the usa |
| 07:31.00 | piko | WormFood: unfortunately, but you will find it useful if you already spent half a day four times to go to "the doctor" with acer |
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| 07:31.39 | WormFood | I would only trade my thinkpad for another thinkpad ;) |
| 07:31.53 | WormFood | I just got a new battery and upgraded my ram (from 512M to 1024M) |
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| 07:32.04 | WormFood | AND I upgraded it to a DVD burner too |
| 07:32.14 | WormFood | I've been VERY happy with my thinkpad |
| 07:32.24 | WormFood | AND I also upgraded the wireless card |
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| 07:33.08 | WormFood | 1 gig of ram cost a little over $30, used prism54 hardma card cost me about $7.50, and the new battery was a little under $30....and I traded for the dvd burner |
| 07:33.17 | WormFood | hardmac* |
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| 07:35.33 | Wyzard | I wish GRUB supported trusted booting with TPMs, so I could put the one in my Z60m to positive use |
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| 07:41.24 | piko | Wyzard: TPMs? |
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| 07:42.05 | Wyzard | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module |
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| 07:42.42 | Wyzard | tamper-proof chip for doing some security-related stuff |
| 07:42.53 | markybob | TPM = Bull Shit Computing :P |
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| 07:43.38 | Wyzard | Some people are opposed to them because they can be used to implement DRM systems, but they can also be used for convenience, e.g. encrypt your hard drive without needing to type a passphrase at boot time |
| 07:43.56 | markybob | it's security by obscurity, which is no security at all |
| 07:44.01 | markybob | it just makes you "feel good" |
| 07:44.36 | Wyzard | markybob: What is, specifically? |
| 07:45.06 | markybob | the fact that it's easily reverse-engineered |
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| 07:46.11 | Wyzard | That's not "security by obscurity", it's just the impossibility of building a completely-secure system |
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| 07:46.48 | Wyzard | Someone with physical access to the chip might be able to extract keys out of it, but malicious software can't tamper with it, which is a step in the right direction |
| 07:47.14 | markybob | i think there's a difference. you're not gonna crack an aes-256 key within the next 40 years with today's hardware. you will crack tpm with a few days |
| 07:47.40 | Wyzard | I think you're comparing apples and oranges |
| 07:48.02 | Wyzard | A TPM chip isn't an alternative to a cipher like AES |
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| 07:48.14 | Wyzard | It's a place to store your 256-bit AES key so that malware can't get to it |
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| 07:48.50 | markybob | but that's exactly why it makes less sense. you store something that's supposed to be uber-secure in something that's semi-secure |
| 07:49.03 | Wyzard | Your alternatives are to store it on the hard drive where malware *can* get to it, or make the user type it every time (and malware can potentially sniff keystrokes anyway) |
| 07:49.35 | WormFood | why in the fuck does fetchmail work, but evolution does not work? this god damn shit is driving me crazy! I'm sure there is nothing wrong with the server |
| 07:49.46 | Wyzard | WormFood: You certainly swear a lot |
| 07:49.58 | WormFood | because I'm very pissed off |
| 07:50.02 | markybob | WormFood have you checked the bug tracker? |
| 07:50.10 | WormFood | evolution does not give any reasonable error messages |
| 07:50.16 | Wyzard | is getting the impression that everything in Debian is god damn shit that drives WormFood fucking crazy |
| 07:50.26 | liable | heh |
| 07:50.27 | WormFood | it is very hard to search for problems when you have shit error messages |
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| 07:51.29 | spacix | Where can I change the amount of spaces tab does in nano? |
| 07:52.26 | markybob | spacix .nanorc set tabsize foo |
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| 07:53.51 | valdyn | WormFood: and what is the actual error message that is oh so useless? |
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| 07:56.42 | spacix | markybob: thanks |
| 07:57.23 | valdyn | damn, memory accounting is so totally broken |
| 07:59.39 | Wyzard | WormFood: FWIW, I've seen SSL break in evolution once before (many months ago, and IIRC it was actually a problem with openssl, not with evolution itself) |
| 07:59.45 | Wyzard | WormFood: It was fixed in a few days |
| 08:00.12 | valdyn | + some people just get confused by tls and ssl and ports to use |
| 08:00.40 | Wyzard | Well, he said it worked before, so I doubt he's using the wrong port |
| 08:00.46 | valdyn | ah |
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| 08:04.06 | WormFood | I've seen a LOT of problems with openssl |
| 08:04.19 | WormFood | I can't even connect to my ssl irc server with x-chat without downgrading openssl |
| 08:04.46 | WormFood | also, fetchmail works, so that leads me to believe it isn't a problem with openssl |
| 08:05.06 | Wyzard | hmm... I'm using xchat and connected to an IRC server using SSL3 right now |
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| 08:05.18 | Wyzard | using the current xchat and openssl in sid |
| 08:05.25 | WormFood | maybe the server is using ssl2? |
| 08:05.32 | WormFood | I didn't investigate it a lot |
| 08:05.40 | Wyzard | --- Version: TLSv1/SSLv3, cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits) |
| 08:05.51 | Wyzard | or did you mean your server? |
| 08:05.55 | WormFood | it is is annoying that it don't mean |
| 08:05.59 | WormFood | that is what I'm talking about |
| 08:06.06 | WormFood | anyways, I've seen my share of openssl problems |
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| 08:07.28 | liable | meh, why isnt there a c function like pidof |
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| 08:07.49 | WormFood | and a quick check on the dates on *ssl* in /var/lib/dpkg/info leads me to believe i hasn't been updated in a few weeks |
| 08:07.56 | WormFood | and evolution was working on tuesday |
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| 08:10.02 | piko | WormFood: what exactly is not working? Just connection or downloading messages? |
| 08:10.32 | piko | WormFood: I can check current evolution on our imaps server |
| 08:10.48 | WormFood | it is saying the connection is refused |
| 08:11.00 | WormFood | but it works with fetchmail |
| 08:11.05 | piko | what has been changed on the server? |
| 08:11.24 | WormFood | nothing |
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| 08:11.30 | WormFood | the server was rebooted, but nothing was changed |
| 08:11.44 | WormFood | I couldn't get fetchmail to work, so I changed it from SSL3 to SSL23, and then it worked |
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| 08:12.02 | piko | WormFood: ok, i will try our mailservre |
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| 08:12.23 | piko | mailserver, oh my god, my fungers are really quick today |
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| 08:12.45 | markybob | piko are you high? |
| 08:13.11 | liable | hah |
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| 08:13.40 | WormFood | now I think it is going to work |
| 08:14.23 | WormFood | I still don't know what the problem was ....I mean the real problem |
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| 08:14.42 | piko | myki: high? |
| 08:14.48 | piko | myki: sorry |
| 08:14.52 | piko | markybob: high? |
| 08:15.16 | markybob | it's not funny if you dont get it :P |
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| 08:16.35 | markybob | where's asshole #2? guerin? you still here? |
| 08:16.46 | piko | markybob: high like high elf/high ? |
| 08:17.17 | cahoot | markybob: working hard on making friends here? |
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| 08:17.36 | markybob | cahoot him and i go back :) all in good fun |
| 08:17.53 | markybob | cahoot we used to complete on who had the most curse words in here |
| 08:18.51 | cahoot | markybob: but you'rs isn't an alias for mwilson? |
| 08:19.01 | markybob | no, but i do know him |
| 08:19.22 | cahoot | I see |
| 08:22.20 | Penix | I held the most violent/aggressive towards others honour several times IIRC |
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| 08:23.02 | Penix | dumb stats. I'll bash 'em! |
| 08:23.13 | spacix | sorry just asked this; but would like to know; how can I change the tab indent spaces in nano when being non su? |
| 08:23.17 | piko | markybob: I ... think ... I maybe ... got it. Ha ha ha. Very funny sir, better out than in ... |
| 08:23.35 | Penix | spacix: probably in something like ~/.nanorc |
| 08:23.38 | markybob | spacix i told you, man |
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| 08:23.40 | Penix | spacix: the manpage should tell you |
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| 08:25.58 | ArtVandalae | I used to remember when I could open a directory as a file (in an editor such as vim), now it just gives me the warning "... is a directory". Is there any way I can override this? |
| 08:26.18 | Penix | would be a shell thing |
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| 08:27.37 | piko | markybob: actually who won? Who has the most strange word? |
| 08:27.40 | knights | I've tried following two different sets of instructions to get the latest fglrx drivers installed under etch/x86_64 and both have failed. Anyone got a link to some that WORK? |
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| 08:28.00 | azeem | knights: why do you need latest? |
| 08:28.08 | markybob | piko i used to, but now he does. i dont come in here as much as i used to :p |
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| 08:28.52 | knights | azeem: I've got a HD2400 and it would seem its not supported by the driver in etch |
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| 08:29.31 | knights | azeem: but it is by the latest ATI driver |
| 08:30.32 | liable | go over to phoronix and see if there are any pointers |
| 08:30.46 | knights | I tried http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Generating.2FInstalling_Debian_packages_from_the_ATI_installer |
| 08:30.56 | knights | with no luck |
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| 08:31.34 | azeem | "with no luck" is not an adequate error report |
| 08:31.40 | azeem | !doesn't work |
| 08:31.40 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 08:32.08 | knights | THeres a tool for ubuntu to automate gfx driverb installs- can I not unthis under Deb? |
| 08:32.27 | knights | sorry about the poor spelling |
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| 08:32.53 | zyx386 | !non-free |
| 08:32.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:33.06 | markybob | this isnt #ubuntu |
| 08:33.28 | davi | I prefer debian to ubuntu |
| 08:33.36 | davi | no comment |
| 08:33.39 | knights | markybob: Yeah, but Ubuntu being based on debian it isn't a stupid question |
| 08:33.45 | zyx386 | !non-free sources |
| 08:33.45 | dpkg | hmm... non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then apt-get update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 08:33.58 | markybob | !based on |
| 08:33.58 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 08:35.20 | zyx386 | knights, sure, ubuntu is debian based |
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| 08:36.03 | zyx386 | ubuntu is more simple and is for linux beginner perfect |
| 08:36.21 | markybob | being "debian based" means nothing. damn small linux is "debian based" and it's totally different and irrelevant. so was progeny, or storm linux, or ubuntu |
| 08:36.28 | knights | so is the driver install tool (forget its name) not going to be 'ported' to Debian, ever? |
| 08:36.33 | markybob | if you need ubuntu help, go to #ubutnu |
| 08:36.52 | Penix | oh, that tool you can't remember the name of? oh, yeah, sure, it's on its way |
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| 08:37.35 | knights | Penix: Itscalled Envy |
| 08:37.43 | Penix | knights: hit google and find out then |
| 08:37.59 | Penix | or just ask the handful of non-idle lusers here |
| 08:38.07 | knights | Penix: much better asking the debian devs (here) surely |
| 08:38.17 | Penix | knights: the debian developers don't hang here |
| 08:38.20 | zyx386 | markybob, i have nor question about ubuntu, the ubuntu is will be never so security and stable like Debian, because debian is The GOD Father :) |
| 08:38.22 | Penix | several do. but that doesn't matter |
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| 08:38.49 | Penix | knights: and we're just random users. we're not a billion dollar corporation that makes money of indexing knowledge |
| 08:38.56 | Penix | s/of/off/ |
| 08:39.32 | Penix | knights: and asking debian developers about an ubuntu tool would be silly, no matter whether someone's going to package a useless ubuntu tool oneday |
| 08:40.34 | ectospasm | It's not quite so different as asking whether Gentoo's portage will be ported to debian... |
| 08:40.50 | Penix | that's right, it's not |
| 08:40.54 | Penix | you'd ask that question in #gentoo |
| 08:41.43 | ectospasm | I see your point. It's the Ubuntu/Gentoo folks' job to port it to Debian, not the Debian folks' job... |
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| 08:42.03 | Penix | it *could* be Debian's job, if they decided to undertake a port |
| 08:42.04 | knights | Penix: In the best interests of the Debian community you should refrain from dissing people who've not memorised the Debian manuals, guidelines etc. This superior attitude does no-one any good- I asked a simple question and if you can't say anything productive... |
| 08:42.14 | Penix | knights: how am I doing that? |
| 08:42.21 | Penix | knights: I instructed you to ask your question in the appropriate place |
| 08:42.30 | Penix | knights: and suggested you ask google, which has vast amounts of information |
| 08:42.38 | Penix | you can project whatever you like on to me |
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| 08:43.16 | Penix | and btw, this is in *no* way the 'Debian community' |
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| 08:43.45 | ectospasm | but it is part of it, ain't it? |
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| 08:44.16 | Penix | whether or not it is, doesn't mean what I say is representing the project at all |
| 08:44.37 | rav1 | hey ppl, I'm thinking of buying a Samsung ML-2571N printer. Anyone has any experience with this and Debian? |
| 08:44.57 | Penix | rav1: it's really up to cups |
| 08:45.29 | Penix | rav1: if there's cups support and all the rest, there's no reason it won't work with Debian |
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| 08:51.45 | rav1 | Penix: OK, so I'll look at the CUPS homepage then, thanks |
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| 09:00.15 | simonrvn | we often get labelled, misinterpreted, misrepresented, and we hardly get any thanks.... then people wonder why we're cranky sometimes.... |
| 09:00.58 | cahoot | !comfort simonrvn |
| 09:00.58 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 09:04.26 | capiira | Then a big "THANK'S" to all!!! :) |
| 09:04.41 | capiira | still frustrated? |
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| 09:06.05 | capiira | hugs too |
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| 09:08.10 | lynucs | hi |
| 09:08.23 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 09:08.35 | lynucs | is there any package in etch that creates an entry for memtest in grub? |
| 09:09.11 | dutchfish | lynucs, grub-update does |
| 09:09.22 | Penix | lynucs: vim |
| 09:09.28 | liable | lynucs: if you install memtest, it adds it itself |
| 09:09.29 | cahoot | aptitude install memtest-xx? |
| 09:09.57 | simonrvn | capiira: heh |
| 09:10.21 | capiira | :D |
| 09:10.23 | lynucs | liable: really? hmm.. didnt. |
| 09:10.45 | liable | lynucs: last time i installed it, it did. |
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| 09:11.24 | dutchfish | liable, i believe only memtest86+ does |
| 09:11.31 | liable | dutchfish: oh |
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| 09:12.06 | dutchfish | liable, memtester and memtest86 not |
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| 09:12.30 | liable | must've been memtest86+ i installed. |
| 09:13.10 | lynucs | liable: well tried also memtest86+ |
| 09:13.13 | dutchfish | liable, its the only one i use owadays anyway |
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| 09:14.49 | cahoot | does the content of /proc/interrupts tell anything useful about how the kernel actually uses > 1 cpu's? |
| 09:14.58 | dutchfish | lynucs, if you manually edited /boot/grub/menu.lst in a way that confuses the post-install script of memtest86+ it wont run correctly. |
| 09:15.30 | lynucs | dutchfish: in which pacakge is grub-update? grub-update seems not to be available |
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| 09:15.48 | liable | update-grub |
| 09:16.03 | liable | not grub-update |
| 09:16.27 | simonrvn | cahoot: i'd assume only indirectly |
| 09:16.42 | dutchfish | liable, lynucs yes update-grub (my fault) |
| 09:16.50 | lynucs | ahh!! thanks! now it did |
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| 09:17.21 | simonrvn | it's 'cause there's i dunno how many update-* executables in debian ;) |
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| 09:17.32 | dutchfish | simonrvn, :) |
| 09:18.11 | dutchfish | simonrvn, in the paste there was a update-grub (i believe woody or sarge) |
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| 09:18.23 | cahoot | simonrvn: so a large difference in 'used' interrupts between cpu0 and cpu1 doesn't imply anything wrong in itself? |
| 09:18.35 | dutchfish | simonrvn, darn wrong again i meant grub-update |
| 09:18.40 | quitte | i stll have update-grub on a up to date lnny |
| 09:18.43 | simonrvn | cahoot: couldn't tell ya |
| 09:18.44 | quitte | ah |
| 09:18.52 | lynucs | is that maybe a known issue, that after a whle playing videos with flashplayer plugin the pc freezes? and that completely, so that i cant switch to other tty or anything else.. or is it my cpu or ram? |
| 09:19.08 | lynucs | happened only on flashplayer use so far |
| 09:19.13 | lynucs | so i'm pretty unsure |
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| 09:19.21 | lynucs | wether it's really my hardware |
| 09:19.33 | dutchfish | lynucs, what about a broken browser cache? |
| 09:19.35 | Penix | well, is it *only* flash that makes your box crash? |
| 09:19.39 | quitte | lynucs: did you try touching the gpu heatsink? |
| 09:20.05 | lynucs | quitte: nope. you think that might be too hot? |
| 09:20.10 | lynucs | dutchfish: how can i tet that? |
| 09:20.18 | lynucs | s/tet/test |
| 09:20.27 | LimCore | what program is good to monitor file system for files that "mutate" - that is change content (sha1sum) without changing mofified time, or change modified time to past comapred to last check? (to detect silent file system corruptions etc)? |
| 09:20.53 | quitte | it's worth a try. flash is pretty heavy on hardware usage. you could also try doom3 or something, of course |
| 09:20.55 | dutchfish | lynucs, i just empty more frequent from within iceweasel or other ... |
| 09:21.06 | JyZyXEL | is there any point memtesting for days? |
| 09:21.18 | simonrvn | yes |
| 09:21.21 | JyZyXEL | oh ok |
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| 09:21.42 | lynucs | quitte: if it's a temperature problem, then that should happen on glxgears too? |
| 09:21.50 | jelly-home | there's also the "build kernels with -jA_LOT" until it fails |
| 09:22.00 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, you could also only run the last 2 series for a day, it will detect single cell errors more quickly |
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| 09:22.47 | JyZyXEL | i just use the default |
| 09:22.57 | JyZyXEL | the one that it starts to do |
| 09:23.19 | JyZyXEL | where does the memtest store itself |
| 09:23.48 | kbx | I am running latest etch relase with package ntp. After booting, system time is wrong and ntp does not seem to find any servers. After /etc/init.d/ntp restart everything is fine. |
| 09:24.03 | kbx | Are there any known problems at the moment? |
| 09:24.08 | Penix | !bts |
| 09:24.09 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 09:24.12 | quitte | lynucs: not necessarily. just try touching the heatsink when the computer is idle and compare when a crash just happened. |
| 09:24.12 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, i run a full check only 5 times, then the last 2 series for a day when i suspect just a few bits broken, it saves me time |
| 09:24.15 | davi | Can I do an upgrade from etch to sid directly, without passing by testing? |
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| 09:24.25 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 09:24.37 | Penix | davi: yes. what's wrong with etch though |
| 09:24.38 | quitte | lynucs: a slightly bigger heatsink removed all crashes here with integrated nvidia graphics. |
| 09:24.45 | JyZyXEL | i've done te full check for prolly 60 times without errors |
| 09:25.03 | davi | Penix, etch is not as much updated as sid |
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| 09:25.09 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, after all you need to determine the region or bank only ones, thats enough |
| 09:25.09 | Penix | davi: use backports |
| 09:25.15 | Penix | davi: /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:25.25 | davi | thanks Penix! |
| 09:27.25 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish whats the name for the test? |
| 09:27.41 | JyZyXEL | its in the Test Selection menu? |
| 09:27.47 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, name? packagename you mean? |
| 09:27.56 | JyZyXEL | i mean in MemTest |
| 09:28.03 | JyZyXEL | what do i do to make it awesome |
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| 09:28.23 | dutchfish | !info memtest86+ |
| 09:28.30 | dpkg | memtest86+: (thorough real-mode memory tester), section misc, is optional. Version: 1.70-3 (sid), Packaged size: 63 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 09:28.38 | JyZyXEL | yea im running that now |
| 09:28.54 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, read its man pages ;) |
| 09:28.58 | JyZyXEL | its doing the default test |
| 09:29.10 | JyZyXEL | i don't even know what im looking for |
| 09:29.34 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, i suppose you are detecting mem failures with it ;) |
| 09:29.39 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 09:29.49 | quitte | JyZyXEL: if there's nothing to see - that's a good thin |
| 09:29.50 | JyZyXEL | and you said i could somehow optimize the speed |
| 09:30.27 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, no, you can only tweak your bios and see the speed while memtest86+ is running |
| 09:30.47 | JyZyXEL | so i just boot to memtest and let it run |
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| 09:31.02 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, yes, and observe |
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| 09:31.12 | JyZyXEL | ill observer after couple days |
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| 09:32.13 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, a couple of hours to tops a day is more then enough, unless you have a > 4G mem in your system, that will take longer |
| 09:32.14 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm trying to get Debian to run from a USB disk. So far things work great. But I would like to enable 3D accelleration and load the appropriate video drivers, instead of using VESA. Is it possible to have 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' run automatically so it detects my video hardware ? |
| 09:32.47 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish i've done like 30hrs without errors |
| 09:32.58 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, how much mem? |
| 09:33.07 | JyZyXEL | 512 |
| 09:33.18 | quitte | Jemt: I'm not sure if that channel exists, but I'd try #debian-live on oftc |
| 09:33.32 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, then you can be pretty sure the mem is intact if it didnt bark at you |
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| 09:33.37 | Jemt | quitte: Ok, thanks |
| 09:33.50 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish 0 errors |
| 09:33.56 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, ok |
| 09:33.56 | JyZyXEL | then im confused |
| 09:34.03 | JyZyXEL | why does the machine always crash :D |
| 09:34.03 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, about what? |
| 09:34.08 | JyZyXEL | maybe its the caps on the MB |
| 09:34.33 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, why did you conclude it should be hardware in the first place? |
| 09:34.39 | JyZyXEL | or the fact that "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null" gets the CPU to 70C |
| 09:34.49 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish cause every operating system crashes |
| 09:35.35 | Lagbolt | Jemt, if you have a working install why dont you just install the 3d drivers as you would on a hd installation |
| 09:35.40 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, /dev/urandom will get your CPU burning hot its pool isnt fed |
| 09:35.41 | lynucs | okay.. on glxgears it freezed too |
| 09:35.50 | lynucs | so it's really a hardware problem |
| 09:35.53 | lynucs | darn |
| 09:35.59 | simonrvn | that GumbyBRAIN is such a nutjob ;p |
| 09:36.09 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish yea so i mean how can it get any hotter |
| 09:36.37 | Jemt | Lagbolt: I move the installation around - so it runs on many different computers :) |
| 09:36.37 | JyZyXEL | so im like wtf |
| 09:36.42 | quitte | lynucs: what kind of graphics adapter is that? |
| 09:36.45 | JyZyXEL | why does the machine so randomly just crash |
| 09:36.55 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, thats not hard, if you suspect thermal problems, use cpuburn (but watch out, you can destroy your cpu with it) |
| 09:37.07 | JyZyXEL | well i tried |
| 09:37.09 | lynucs | quitte: it's nvidia fx5200 :) |
| 09:37.12 | JyZyXEL | i coudln't get it over 70C |
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| 09:37.22 | JyZyXEL | now its not possible that it would get even hotter in normal use |
| 09:37.27 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, and cpuburn did run stable? |
| 09:37.31 | simonrvn | <- sleep |
| 09:37.32 | JyZyXEL | yea for hours |
| 09:37.35 | Lagbolt | Jemt, well you need to install all needed vid kern modules and xorg drivers then you might make a script that modifies xorg.conf at boot by determining the video hardware |
| 09:37.48 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, then i would suspect your video card first |
| 09:37.50 | quitte | lynucs: try vacuuming the heatsink. but don't use too much power. you wouldn't want to suck the fan off |
| 09:37.51 | JyZyXEL | id hate to buy new cooling for nothing |
| 09:38.02 | Lagbolt | Jemt, i do it with mine for detecting dual head or single head |
| 09:38.05 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish my monitor isn't even on |
| 09:38.17 | JyZyXEL | its integrated gfx |
| 09:38.30 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, what has your mon to do with computer hardware? |
| 09:38.38 | JyZyXEL | i don't know |
| 09:38.44 | lynucs | quitte: normally i did every year doing that and bringing on new cooling compound(?) (donnt know how thats in english) |
| 09:38.49 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Yeah, that's what I was thinking about. But isn't it possible to use 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' to have it done automatically? I think that's what Ubuntu does (?) |
| 09:38.50 | JyZyXEL | its an integrated gfx chip so hard to say anything about that |
| 09:39.01 | lynucs | s/did/was |
| 09:39.10 | JyZyXEL | maybe its NB/SB that gets too how |
| 09:39.13 | JyZyXEL | who knows |
| 09:39.13 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, you can use tools to check your video card too |
| 09:39.23 | JyZyXEL | the temperature? |
| 09:39.29 | Lagbolt | Jemt, i dont know what ubuntu does. you could reconfigure but i think you want something automatic? i think reconfigure xorg will ask you questions |
| 09:39.48 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, if you run a gpu intesive app it will quickly show |
| 09:39.59 | JyZyXEL | its a firewall |
| 09:40.07 | JyZyXEL | no graphical environment at all |
| 09:40.08 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Exactly. I just thought it might have some sort of --auto switch that did it for me :) |
| 09:40.23 | Jemt | Lagbolt: man didn't enlighten me much though |
| 09:40.26 | Jemt | 'man' |
| 09:40.26 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, and you got kernel traps or what? |
| 09:40.40 | JyZyXEL | huh? |
| 09:40.47 | quitte | lynucs: ugh. that might be your problem. the cooling paste (don' know what t call it either) usually doesn't get worse by aging. but using too much or spreading it unevenly is pretty bad |
| 09:40.54 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Do you use 'hwinfo' to detect your video hardware ? |
| 09:40.58 | Lagbolt | hmm Jemt , not sure that exists. |
| 09:41.11 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, what errors you got on that machine that make you think its hardware? |
| 09:41.36 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish the fact that it just freezes |
| 09:41.47 | lynucs | quitte: last time i did is about one year and didnt have such problems until yesterday.. will run the glxgears with open carcass now :) |
| 09:41.54 | JyZyXEL | like all of a sudden it freezes and nothing works |
| 09:41.54 | Lagbolt | Jemt, i use xdpyinfo for what i want but for you mabe hwinfo would be best |
| 09:41.55 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, what bios and version? |
| 09:42.22 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Why do you think it would be better? I don't know xdpyinfo you see |
| 09:42.24 | JyZyXEL | hmm i don't know |
| 09:42.31 | JyZyXEL | its an OEM gigabyte motherboard |
| 09:43.08 | JyZyXEL | so basicly the machine is just broken |
| 09:43.09 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, check if your mainboard has newer bios, it also could be bios related, check also to run it with noacpi and no lapic |
| 09:43.13 | Lagbolt | well xdpyinfo wont tell you the grafx card :) |
| 09:43.34 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Ah! Seems -phigh does it. Then it only displays high priority questions - and configuring the xserver dosn't contain such questions :) |
| 09:43.52 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish well the manufacturer doesn't support it |
| 09:43.52 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Ah, okay ^^ |
| 09:44.06 | Lagbolt | there you go, but does that get you the correct vid setting or just default settings like vesa |
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| 09:44.44 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, did you ever had boot problems on that same machine? |
| 09:45.06 | Jemt | Lagbolt: It should auto-detect the video card. Of cause I can't be 100% sure to get anything that works. But in most cases it should - or at least revert to VESA |
| 09:45.21 | Lagbolt | Jemt, well then go for it :) |
| 09:45.32 | vjoe | hey |
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| 09:45.47 | Jemt | Lagbolt: Thanks for your guidance - I really appriciate it :) |
| 09:45.54 | lynucs | quitte: could might cpu cause that problems too? |
| 09:45.55 | Lagbolt | no prob |
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| 09:46.15 | Jemt | Later :) |
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| 09:46.59 | Lethalman | hello |
| 09:47.06 | Lethalman | i sent two times the same bug to aptitude |
| 09:47.15 | Lethalman | but after 3 days I got still no acknowledge |
| 09:47.17 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, would you be able to paste to pastebin the output of lspci -vvv ? |
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| 09:47.21 | quitte | lynucs: yes. but flash and glxgears sounds more like the gpu to me. if there is a piece of cloth under the fan that'S the problem, though ;) |
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| 09:47.45 | Lethalman | anyone? |
| 09:48.00 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish well not when the memtest is running |
| 09:48.10 | JyZyXEL | maybe i should cancel it and boot to real system |
| 09:48.10 | lynucs | quitte: hehe, opened the carcass, looks not too dirty |
| 09:48.14 | quitte | Lethalman: be more patient |
| 09:48.23 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, by what you told us, i am pretty sure mem is not your problem |
| 09:48.25 | Lethalman | is the project moderated? or my email has been put in a black list or so? |
| 09:48.36 | lynucs | but with open carcass glx gears runs about 5 mins and didnt crash yet |
| 09:48.42 | JyZyXEL | but im pretty ready to throw that MB to trashbin |
| 09:48.48 | Lethalman | quitte, ah ok, since other bugs have been processed faster, just to ask |
| 09:48.59 | ManuP | the unison website tells, that unison is no furhter developed, but harmony is the successor. On the harmony website, i didnt read that it can syncronize directorys. So i still need the unison for directory sync?? |
| 09:49.08 | quitte | Lethalman: wait. you didn't get the automatedacknowledgement? |
| 09:49.15 | Lethalman | quitte, no |
| 09:49.23 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, so, before you do that post lspci -vvv so we know what we talking about |
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| 09:49.49 | quitte | Lethalman: how did you report the bug? |
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| 09:49.56 | Lethalman | quitte, using reportbug |
| 09:50.04 | lynucs | ManuP: why not keeping unison further? is there a reason? |
| 09:50.07 | Lethalman | i used it before |
| 09:50.12 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish ok lemme just boot to system |
| 09:50.32 | ManuP | lynucs, they say, nobody is there to give further support. |
| 09:50.57 | lynucs | ManuP: i see.. does unison not work like expected? |
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| 09:51.21 | quitte | Lethalman: you could still try delting the .reportbugrc. |
| 09:51.38 | dutchfish | ManuP, if you like to do it yourself (lean and mean) use incron |
| 09:51.41 | quitte | Lethalman: or look in your spam folder |
| 09:51.47 | ManuP | lynucs, i didnt try yet. i thought it would be better to ask here, if it is obsolete or not.... |
| 09:51.56 | Lethalman | oh yes quitte |
| 09:51.58 | lynucs | ManuP: unisons works nice for me |
| 09:52.00 | Lethalman | maybe the problem is the configuration |
| 09:52.03 | lynucs | unison* |
| 09:52.14 | ManuP | !incron |
| 09:52.22 | dutchfish | !info incron |
| 09:52.25 | dpkg | incron: (cron-like daemon which handles filesystem events), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.5.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 108 kB, Installed size: 308 kB |
| 09:52.27 | Lethalman | mmmm no quitte excuse me the conf is right |
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| 09:52.51 | dutchfish | ManuP, there is a howto on the net also |
| 09:52.52 | Lethalman | i try again |
| 09:53.08 | ManuP | dutchfish, what's the advantage of incron? |
| 09:53.33 | dutchfish | ManuP, it uses less system resources then anything else, and its extremely stable |
| 09:54.06 | lynucs | quitte: well seems, that it' really a temoperature issue, since with opne carcass it doesnt freeze.. how can i test now wether it's gpu or cpu? does cpuburn would only stress my cpu? so that if it fails on cpuburn i'd know that cpu is causing probs? |
| 09:54.16 | valdyn | ManuP: incron is something else. |
| 09:54.33 | ManuP | valdyn, what do you mean? |
| 09:54.40 | valdyn | ManuP: it doesnt do what you want |
| 09:54.49 | ManuP | dutchfish, but it is complicated to configure it? |
| 09:54.58 | valdyn | ManuP: it can be part of a handmade solution, it does not do just what you want though |
| 09:55.07 | ManuP | valdyn, oh. so i will leave it to unison |
| 09:55.32 | dutchfish | ManuP, incron is just a building block to script FS events, so you could basically build your own sync system |
| 09:55.48 | dutchfish | ManuP, i dont like unison |
| 09:56.11 | dutchfish | ManuP, or build one on top of rsync |
| 09:56.52 | valdyn | ManuP: i think you misread the announcmenet on unisons homepage |
| 09:57.12 | valdyn | ManuP: they so that its not any longer used as a research project, thats GOOD for you |
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| 09:57.17 | valdyn | s/so/say/ |
| 09:57.23 | ProN00b | whats the current debian stable kernel ? |
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| 09:57.36 | dutchfish | ProN00b, 2.6.18-6 |
| 09:57.59 | ProN00b | uncool, are ther official backports of 2.6.24 or newer ? |
| 09:58.18 | dutchfish | ProN00b, backports or etchandahalf |
| 09:58.23 | ManuP | dutchfish, yeah, i could also build one upon md5-checksums and change-dates etc... but i think there is a more professional solution for my problem because many other people might have the same problem. |
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| 09:58.38 | valdyn | ManuP: they are just saying that no one is getting paid to be responsible for unison maintenance, that is all |
| 09:58.48 | ProN00b | dutchfish, i don't know the difference |
| 09:59.04 | ProN00b | or rather what etchandahalf is |
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| 09:59.31 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish ok i have the output |
| 09:59.33 | dutchfish | ProN00b, those are for getting a newer kernel into etch (stable) |
| 09:59.49 | dutchfish | !tell ProN00b about bpo |
| 09:59.50 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish http://pastebin.com/d39f877f1 |
| 10:00.02 | ManuP | valdyn, "However, the original developers are all still using Unison daily." right... i didnt read it all at first. |
| 10:00.20 | ManuP | so i will use unison ^^ |
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| 10:02.10 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, a few q: 1. did you turn of vgasnoop in the bios? |
| 10:02.31 | JyZyXEL | o.O |
| 10:02.34 | JyZyXEL | whats that |
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| 10:02.53 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, did you? |
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| 10:03.17 | JyZyXEL | no |
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| 10:03.46 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, a method of getting out better performance out of shared video mem (not needed on a firewall isnt it?) |
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| 10:04.13 | JyZyXEL | yea |
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| 10:04.21 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, it can mees up things |
| 10:04.25 | JyZyXEL | i think it takes 64 of my memory |
| 10:04.33 | JyZyXEL | i saw that setting |
| 10:04.41 | JyZyXEL | and i need nothing |
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| 10:04.50 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, set it as low as possible prolly 32mb or so |
| 10:05.01 | cast | am trying to mount a fat partition, from the asus eee rescue usb.img, am getting 'FAT: invalid media value (0x00)', http://rafb.net/p/soiC2215.txt, any ideas? |
| 10:05.13 | ProN00b | dutchfish, what kernel can i get with them ? |
| 10:05.14 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish won't that still be a problem |
| 10:05.28 | isBEKaml | cast: what command did you type in?? |
| 10:05.32 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, 2. do you really need USB on that firewall? |
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| 10:05.47 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish no i don't |
| 10:05.58 | dutchfish | ProN00b, 2.6.24 through bpo |
| 10:06.15 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, so turn it of in the bios also completely |
| 10:06.21 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 10:06.22 | cast | isBEKaml: uh, the link bro |
| 10:06.23 | isBEKaml | try fdisk -l to know the partitons in your box(note, on some systems, it may run as sudo) |
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| 10:06.32 | cast | blinks |
| 10:06.52 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish i don't know if i could get a bios upgrade |
| 10:07.08 | JyZyXEL | i mean the manufacturer doesn't even admit they had anything to do with that MB |
| 10:07.10 | cast | oh i see my bad....ISO 9660 |
| 10:07.13 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, 3th. what kernel are you running? |
| 10:07.13 | JyZyXEL | cause its OEM and very custom |
| 10:07.13 | cast | hmm. |
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| 10:07.23 | JyZyXEL | dutchfish allkinds |
| 10:07.34 | JyZyXEL | doesn't really matter it crashes with windows and BSD too |
| 10:07.34 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, 3th. what kernel are you running atm???? |
| 10:07.49 | JyZyXEL | Linux loller 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP |
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| 10:08.04 | JyZyXEL | just some LiveCD |
| 10:08.13 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, on a firewall????? |
| 10:08.19 | JyZyXEL | what no |
| 10:08.27 | JyZyXEL | i didn't boot to my firewall OS |
| 10:08.41 | magthe | I'm having problems creating a base system for pdebuild, it seems like debootstrap/cdebootstrap fails configuring the base system, any good ideas on how to resolve it? |
| 10:08.41 | cast | nope. i have no idea how to mount this file system, :\ |
| 10:09.18 | JyZyXEL | if the macihine crashes excactly the same way on every operating system |
| 10:09.24 | JyZyXEL | then i presume its HW related |
| 10:09.44 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, i ask this because you prolly need support for ICH4 in the kernel for that board. Not so good choice for a firewall in my humble opinion |
| 10:09.46 | isBEKaml | could you just paste the entire o/p of fdisk -l? |
| 10:10.07 | JyZyXEL | oh :o |
| 10:10.09 | JyZyXEL | whats ICH4 |
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| 10:10.19 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, google |
| 10:10.26 | JyZyXEL | some Intel Chipset |
| 10:10.31 | pjvwork | what's a good sysinfo app to use on a desktop |
| 10:10.33 | cast | isBEKaml: are you talking to me? |
| 10:10.47 | isBEKaml | cast: yeah, try that and paste the o/p |
| 10:11.03 | isBEKaml | cast: just type sudo fdisk -l. |
| 10:11.06 | cast | isBEKaml: and you actually read the first thing i said, right :P |
| 10:11.24 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, try my 3 sugestions, if thats not gona work out, think of replacing the board |
| 10:11.31 | cast | isBEKaml: theres no way sudo fdisk -l is going to work on my stem, i use debian ;\ |
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| 10:11.45 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, 4th: update your bios if there is a newer version |
| 10:11.54 | JyZyXEL | i don't know where to look |
| 10:11.59 | isBEKaml | cast: yeah, right... i suspect there might be other partitions or you have tried the wrong mount point. :) |
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| 10:12.00 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, thats all i can help you with |
| 10:12.04 | JyZyXEL | from the BIOS manufucturer site? |
| 10:12.15 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, yup |
| 10:12.15 | isBEKaml | cast: this is a debian forum :P |
| 10:12.15 | ManuP | i am testing unison atm. i changed on system A and B the same file. now unison wants me to answer changed <-?-> changed path/file [] what can i do here? |
| 10:12.36 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, no, manufacturer of the board |
| 10:12.43 | JyZyXEL | oh then there is no update |
| 10:13.02 | JyZyXEL | officially that board doesn't exist |
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| 10:13.13 | JyZyXEL | it was never made |
| 10:13.19 | cast | isBEKaml: well, changing mountpoint doesn't do anything. fdisk -l /dev/sde is there |
| 10:14.06 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, ok i dont gona ask ;) |
| 10:14.24 | x_link | Seagate Barracuda ES 500GB SATA2 32MB 7200RPM |
| 10:14.27 | x_link | Opps, sorry. |
| 10:14.46 | JyZyXEL | yea well i try the things you told me and after i see how the fail ill hang the MB on my wall |
| 10:14.59 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, good luck |
| 10:15.04 | JyZyXEL | i already have 3 MB's hangin on my wall |
| 10:15.28 | isBEKaml | cast: are you sure it's a vfat partition? i used to mount ntfs partitions. try typing the right one, maybe fat16. :) |
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| 10:16.18 | JyZyXEL | i wonder if i could detect what kind of memory i have in it |
| 10:16.28 | JyZyXEL | the bus frequency |
| 10:17.29 | cast | isBEKaml: ok, so you're a newer user than i :P thanks for trying anyway |
| 10:17.52 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, its in your output of your lspci -vvv |
| 10:18.13 | JyZyXEL | oh :p |
| 10:19.27 | JyZyXEL | i need a parser for this |
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| 10:21.07 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, 5th. Turn of audio in the bios too, i suppose you dont need sound on a firewall neither ;) |
| 10:21.34 | isBEKaml | cast: not really, i just didn't have any need to mount fat partitions cos they were already mounted. i just had to mount ntfs partitions cos i had kept them encrypted and there was no other way to do it. :) |
| 10:21.35 | JyZyXEL | not that much |
| 10:21.58 | cast | isBEKaml: 'not really' what? |
| 10:22.14 | isBEKaml | cast: than mount -t ntfs device directory. |
| 10:22.23 | isBEKaml | cast: not really a new user, that is. :) |
| 10:22.51 | cast | isBEKaml: english your first language out of curiosity? |
| 10:22.54 | isBEKaml | cast: new to debian, yes but not to linux. :) |
| 10:23.18 | isBEKaml | cast: nope. :) |
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| 10:24.57 | cast | isBEKaml: ahh. i wasn't saying you were a new user, just a 'newer than i' user |
| 10:25.08 | nse | hey good morning everyone |
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| 10:26.39 | isBEKaml | cast: alright. |
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| 10:31.28 | richo_ | is there any word on when iceweasel will work in sid? |
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| 10:31.51 | hoxu | richo_, what's your problem? |
| 10:32.12 | richo_ | won't install on macppc sid, broken dependency, libhunspell |
| 10:32.27 | Guerin | so fix it |
| 10:32.32 | Guerin | broken deps aren't hard |
| 10:32.40 | richo_ | searched for linhunspell |
| 10:32.44 | Guerin | if you're using sid they should be well within your grasp |
| 10:32.45 | richo_ | no results |
| 10:33.00 | Guerin | oh well, i guess you just have to do without then |
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| 10:33.21 | Guerin | to answer your question, any information is to be found on the BTS |
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| 10:34.30 | hoxu | How do you people archive your mails (while keeping them searchable)? |
| 10:35.16 | Guerin | hoxu: i move 'em all to archive-pre20080420 |
| 10:35.30 | hoxu | Guerin, which is a mbox file or what? :) |
| 10:35.36 | Guerin | maildir |
| 10:35.47 | crazyfrog | i am confused about the process of loading modules, and which file is the conf file? |
| 10:36.06 | Guerin | crazyfrog: your question isn't specific enough |
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| 10:36.43 | dutchfish | CrazyEddy, /etc/modules |
| 10:37.08 | dutchfish | !blacklist |
| 10:37.08 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 10:37.37 | richo_ | argh.. libhnspell that sid's icewweasel needs is only in lenny.. is this common? i've never read that you need testing sources to make sid work? |
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| 10:38.46 | crazyfrog | dpkg : |
| 10:41.29 | dutchfish | crazyfrog, dpkg is a bot |
| 10:41.41 | hoxu | dpkg, are you a bot? |
| 10:41.48 | hoxu | hmm... |
| 10:42.01 | isBEKaml | :) |
| 10:42.40 | dutchfish | !tell crazyfrog about dpkg |
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| 10:49.44 | crazyfrog | in my box ,/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist already exist ,should i create the blacklist.local file or just edit the blacklist file?and it seems that /etc/module is also a conf file,it is right? |
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| 10:51.36 | dutchfish | CrazyEddy, /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist will do just add a line blacklist [yourmodule] to blacklist it |
| 10:53.19 | crazyfrog | what is the usage of /etc/module? |
| 10:53.33 | dutchfish | CrazyEddy, /etc/modules is the file where you put module names you want to be loaded on boot |
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| 10:56.15 | ma3x | why do i get this warning when i try to change the gtk-theme-switch |
| 10:56.22 | ma3x | Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkentry.c: line 440 (gtk_entry_set_text): assertion `text != NULL' failed. |
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| 10:56.23 | dutchfish | CrazyEddy, just add module name (without extension) into it, it uses natural order |
| 10:56.26 | ma3x | and how to fix it |
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| 10:57.49 | crazyfrog | "natural order" means what? |
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| 10:58.12 | dutchfish | CrazyEddy, the order as listed in that file |
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| 11:01.24 | dutchfish | CrazyEddy, some modules depends on others that needed to be loaded first, put them in the right order |
| 11:01.46 | crazyfrog | i see. |
| 11:04.22 | dutchfish | ma3x, prolly the theme-switch has an entry to a theme that doesnt exists |
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| 11:10.57 | lynucs | hmm.. it's curious, but on my debain machine i have not such a good ping like on my ubuntu machine.. in irssi. they are running over the same router.. and in debian machine searching for a webpage in browser takes longer time.. maybe there could be a misconfiguration on resolving something? where could i dig= |
| 11:11.02 | lynucs | ? |
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| 11:11.33 | lynucs | i mean in a browser on loading a page, i have a feeling that for 3-4 secs _nothing_ is happening |
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| 11:12.04 | lynucs | just the message "searching for www.foo.bar" |
| 11:12.51 | lynucs | i guess that "delay" happens only on outgoing connections |
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| 11:13.35 | dutchfish | lynucs, what is in your /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 11:13.55 | lynucs | dutchfish: nameserver <router-ip> |
| 11:14.09 | lynucs | dutchfish: oh and a search entry.. |
| 11:14.21 | lynucs | search <routername> |
| 11:14.46 | lynucs | but i didnt include that myself... curious |
| 11:14.59 | dutchfish | lynucs, try disabling your search line (put # in front) and check again |
| 11:15.11 | lynucs | dutchfish: should i restart network? |
| 11:15.17 | dutchfish | lynucs, no need |
| 11:15.18 | lynucs | after commeintg out? |
| 11:15.21 | lynucs | dutchfish: okay |
| 11:15.45 | lynucs | dutchfish: yay!! |
| 11:15.54 | lynucs | dutchfish: just that search line |
| 11:15.56 | dutchfish | lynucs, are you using dhcp? |
| 11:16.03 | lynucs | dutchfish: yes |
| 11:16.10 | lynucs | dutchfish: but now the delay on irssi is gone |
| 11:16.18 | dutchfish | lynucs, configure your dhcp server accordingly |
| 11:16.33 | lynucs | dutchfish: what so you mean by that? |
| 11:16.40 | dutchfish | lynucs, thats where this line is coming from |
| 11:17.11 | lynucs | dutchfish: ah.. hope i'll find some options on that on that cheap router |
| 11:17.37 | dutchfish | lynucs, also check /etc/network/interfaces if this contains such a statement |
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| 11:17.54 | lynucs | dutchfish: let's see |
| 11:18.04 | lynucs | dutchfish: and the browser "flies" now :D |
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| 11:18.10 | dutchfish | lynucs, yw |
| 11:18.45 | Beerded | Q: ntfs - what's the state of the support for writes there now? I remember there was a rewrite and some beta - anyone using it? ;) |
| 11:19.00 | dutchfish | !ntfs3g |
| 11:19.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. http://www.ntfs-3g.org/. Available in Lenny, but not for Etch except as a backport: see the package page at http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g, backport instructions at http://www.backports.org/ or ask me about <bpo>. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
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| 11:19.29 | Beerded | dutchfish, thanks ;) |
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| 11:19.38 | dutchfish | Beerded, yw |
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| 11:21.44 | lynucs | dutchfish: the only thing i found in router-configuration is setting the router name. but nothing that could set wether it should send the line search <routername> |
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| 11:22.43 | dutchfish | lynucs, watch if it comes back when your lease is expired and you dhcp ask a new lease again |
| 11:23.21 | dutchfish | lynucs, maybe its a leftover from the setup |
| 11:23.31 | lynucs | dutchfish: okay, but thank you, at least i know now what has caused the problem and maybe can wtite a script that replaces the resolv.conf |
| 11:24.12 | osric | If I've got a system thats descrbing itself as "woody", how hard will it be to upgrade to current ('etch'?) |
| 11:24.29 | dutchfish | !woody->etch |
| 11:24.29 | dpkg | methinks woody->etch is first ask me about woody->sarge, then sarge->etch ; you must not try to skip sarge. skipping releases is not supported by debian. |
| 11:24.49 | osric | rats, I thought someone might say that |
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| 11:25.21 | dutchfish | osric, if you never done this, it can be tricky |
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| 11:26.09 | osric | I've done system upgrades in debian before, but this is my main server, and I didn |
| 11:26.17 | osric | er, didn't want to screw it up |
| 11:26.22 | dutchfish | osric, always make a complete backup! before even starting |
| 11:26.39 | osric | yeh, thats next on the list :) |
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| 11:27.03 | dutchfish | osric, if you have spare hardware, i would choose i setup from scratch and port the data back later |
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| 11:28.25 | osric | lol, I've been renting a second machine since before sarge with that plan in mind, but I still haven't got round to it.... |
| 11:28.26 | dutchfish | osric, it all depends on whats on the box (software and tweaking that has been done) if its a straight up to date woody box, it is not that hard |
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| 11:29.21 | dutchfish | osric, the hardest part is upgrading from a 2.4 to a 2.6 kernel |
| 11:29.48 | osric | ok, thanks for the advice |
| 11:29.51 | dutchfish | osric, that always gave me some (minor) problems with drivers |
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| 11:36.29 | lynucs | dutchfish: maybe the problem is, that in line "search <routername>" the routername contains digits? |
| 11:37.13 | dutchfish | lynucs, no, but you could put a statement in /etc/hosts for that |
| 11:37.50 | dutchfish | lynucs, something like [routerip] fqdn name |
| 11:38.05 | ma3x | Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libpixmap.so", |
| 11:38.06 | dutchfish | lynucs, save a lookup every time |
| 11:38.08 | ma3x | how do i solve this? |
| 11:38.28 | lynucs | dutchfish: okay!!! |
| 11:38.38 | lynucs | dutchfish: what does mean fqdn, btw? |
| 11:38.43 | hoxu | !fqdn |
| 11:38.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
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| 11:39.55 | lynucs | hmm |
| 11:40.01 | dutchfish | ma3x, does the module exists in your fs? |
| 11:40.39 | lynucs | dutchfish: should be fqdn be the <routername> in my case? |
| 11:41.18 | dutchfish | lynucs, only if it has most of the time (on small nets) something like routername.local |
| 11:41.19 | ma3x | dutchfish: yes /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libpixmap.so |
| 11:42.09 | dutchfish | lynucs, i use myself router.internal (have internal dns server for that) |
| 11:42.48 | dutchfish | lynucs, the first part must match with the entry in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:42.53 | lynucs | dutchfish: okay, i'll try out.. is there any way to test it? fqdn should be pingable? |
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| 11:43.02 | dutchfish | lynucs, yup |
| 11:43.06 | lynucs | okay |
| 11:43.09 | lynucs | thank you a lot |
| 11:43.14 | dutchfish | lynucs, if you can ping your router ;) |
| 11:43.17 | action099 | ooy |
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| 11:44.43 | crazyfrog | dutchfish:when the modules in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist are loaded? |
| 11:45.05 | dutchfish | CrazyEddy, never, because they are blacklisted |
| 11:45.33 | dutchfish | oops that was for crazyfrog |
| 11:45.33 | cjzjm100 | Hi guys!If i had download my emails to my computer by evolution,are they in the ~/.evolution by default? If i update the evolution,will they be overwrited?And if i remove the evolution,will they be removed? |
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| 11:47.52 | dutchfish | ma3x, prolly you modulepath does not include that search path |
| 11:48.21 | ma3x | dutchfish: i get it - gtk-engines-pixmap is not available for lenny |
| 11:48.33 | dutchfish | ma3x, there you go |
| 11:48.46 | ma3x | dutchfish: do you know how else can i make smaller the size of the menus in firefox? |
| 11:49.04 | dutchfish | ma3x, no idee |
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| 11:49.54 | hoxu | ma3x, think you can twiddle with the user chrome css |
| 11:49.58 | dutchfish | ma3x, i toggle Fn11, if my screen is to small |
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| 11:52.59 | hardcampa | You guys know of any "useful" guides to getting the Nvidia drivers to play along with a GeForce 8800 GTX ? |
| 11:53.16 | dutchfish | !nvidia-oneliner |
| 11:53.16 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 11:53.29 | hardcampa | no that doesn't work for 8800 is my experience |
| 11:53.33 | action099 | hardcampa hmm look at thw debian.wiki maybe |
| 11:53.39 | hardcampa | ok |
| 11:54.29 | dutchfish | hardcampa, i did this myself last week with the kernel from bpo |
| 11:54.36 | XTZGZoReX | What's a command to find out what timezone your PC is in, on Debian? |
| 11:54.50 | hardcampa | dutchfish: well I get a black screen with that |
| 11:54.51 | action099 | hardand llok above nvidia one-liner |
| 11:54.52 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, date & date -u? :) |
| 11:54.59 | xingu | hardcampa: performance issues are still getting worked out; you need glyph cache and initial pixmap placement = 2, and you don't get the former until driver rev 171.06 |
| 11:55.04 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: thanks |
| 11:55.09 | hardcampa | dutchfish: do you got a 8800 ? if not it's a bit different with 8800 |
| 11:55.28 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: How do I set it then? =P |
| 11:55.28 | hardcampa | so I ran your oneliner before, on a geforce 6 that worked |
| 11:55.31 | hardcampa | not on this one though |
| 11:55.35 | xingu | hardcampa: the 173.08 driver has very mixed reviews, I'd avoid it the first time around |
| 11:55.38 | hoxu | !tell XTZGZoReX about tzselect |
| 11:55.42 | hoxu | hmm |
| 11:55.42 | dutchfish | hardcampa, i have not an original nvdia but yes |
| 11:55.54 | hardcampa | ok still, thanks for the suggestion dutchfish. |
| 11:56.06 | hoxu | XTZGZoReX, /msg dpkg tzconfig |
| 11:56.19 | dutchfish | hardcampa, but it only worked out with latest kernel from bpo |
| 11:56.32 | hardcampa | xingu ok.. I'm thinking of downloading the once at nvidias site as it is |
| 11:56.35 | dutchfish | hardcampa, i am on etch |
| 11:56.38 | hardcampa | the one* |
| 11:56.44 | hardcampa | dutchfish: yeah me too |
| 11:56.55 | hardcampa | I mean this system is just installed. Just trying to get stuff up and running. |
| 11:57.14 | XTZGZoReX | hoxu: Already picked a zone :D |
| 11:57.36 | xingu | hardcampa: and yeah, you need something newer than the 8776 driver in etch |
| 11:57.43 | hardcampa | xingu yeah |
| 11:57.51 | xingu | hardcampa: ie, for the nv8x gpu core |
| 11:58.03 | hardcampa | yeah there's a lib I need as well I noticed |
| 11:58.19 | hardcampa | which isn't in the debian install |
| 11:58.33 | xingu | hardcampa: sid's _version_ will work; but without the glyph cache it'll do so ... slowly. :) |
| 11:58.41 | hardcampa | =/ |
| 11:58.53 | dutchfish | xingu, did you try it already with 2.6.25? |
| 11:59.04 | xingu | dutchfish: yup |
| 11:59.12 | dutchfish | xingu, i am running it atm |
| 11:59.22 | xingu | dutchfish: ditto |
| 11:59.29 | dutchfish | xingu, :) |
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| 12:00.07 | dutchfish | xingu, fighting with virtio balloon driver and kvm/qemu |
| 12:00.42 | dutchfish | xingu, any helpfull tips? |
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| 12:01.05 | xingu | dutchfish: nope, yet to experience the joys of that |
| 12:01.45 | dutchfish | xingu, many new things in it (2.6.25) to expiriment :) |
| 12:02.10 | XTZGZoReX | hoxy: actually, the timezone didnt change after i logged out of ssh =O |
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| 12:02.30 | Inktjet | Does anyone know how I can copy a part of a file in nano when working in nano? |
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| 12:03.45 | xingu | dutchfish: indeed; I'm in a somewhat unusual position at the moment where everything works pretty the way it ought to, with the exception of crypto |
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| 12:04.23 | dutchfish | xingu, yep, me too, just one thingy, my ip phone (yealink) wont compile anymore |
| 12:04.43 | ma3x | why don't I have a separate switch for laptop speakers and earphones? |
| 12:05.08 | dutchfish | xingu, looks there some od bugs in yeaphone |
| 12:05.24 | XTZGZoReX | Why doesn't tzselect actually save the timezone? =X |
| 12:05.54 | dutchfish | xingu, the rest all works (more then nice), i am very happy with it |
| 12:06.04 | hardcampa | On another note, you guys know if I get 4 penguins at boot on a quad core cpu? I'm wondering if the linux kernel classifies quads/duos as SMP enough to earn penguins =) |
| 12:06.12 | hardcampa | Hehe.. prestiige |
| 12:06.22 | fasta | I have a printer working via CUPS. How can I make it work remotely too (without too much effort (as this should be a matter of flipping a switch))? |
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| 12:06.28 | ridicule | Hey can anyone help me setting up an OpenVPN server, i'm getting very stuck and confused ? |
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| 12:06.42 | xingu | dutchfish: heh, I'd rather have a phone with an IP stack in it, rather than all that host-side twaddle |
| 12:06.53 | fasta | I just want it to work for every host on the LAN. |
| 12:07.09 | dutchfish | xingu, looking atm purse, atm, only a big hole ... a well |
| 12:07.16 | xingu | hardcampa: yes, one per core |
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| 12:07.20 | hardcampa | sweet |
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| 12:10.12 | xingu | I realised a long time ago that despite benchmarketing to the contrary, from a _usability_ perspective it's always a good idea to have at least two cpu packages |
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| 12:10.29 | xingu | because when one locks hard you can generally regain control. :) |
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| 12:11.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | i just switched from a CRT to an LCD, and my fonts seem a little out of focus. i configured xorg to run at the monitors preferred resolution, but the monitor still complains. anyone seen something like this before? (its a samsung syncmaster) |
| 12:11.50 | dutchfish | Kamping_Kaiser, onlu if i not run it on native resolution |
| 12:12.05 | xingu | Kamping_Kaiser: yes; avoid the vga connector like the plague, use the dvi connection |
| 12:12.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | xingu, ah. thats a bitch. this system only has d-sub vga :| |
| 12:12.49 | xingu | Kamping_Kaiser: throw the graphics card in the bin and treat yourself to today's $10 special at fry's |
| 12:12.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | wonders if he has a half hight card with dvi :| |
| 12:13.08 | mib_y3zo3yum | XTZGZoReX: tzselect does not actually change the timezone,it just let you view what time it is in other countries. you can use "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" to save the changed timezone. |
| 12:13.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | xingu, i have a gforce hanging around, its just fitting it in the box :| however, i may well take your suggestion |
| 12:13.43 | XTZGZoReX | mib_y3zo3yum: thanks :) |
| 12:13.46 | xingu | Kamping_Kaiser: vga connector is going to be digitising your analogue output, at for any value of "cheap logic" and "high signal bandwidth" that's going to suck |
| 12:13.57 | mib_y3zo3yum | XTZGZoReX: yw |
| 12:13.58 | xingu | Kamping_Kaiser: in the mean time drop your resolution, depth, and refresh rate |
| 12:14.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | xingu, thanks for your help. |
| 12:14.28 | xingu | Kamping_Kaiser: (drops the total signal bandwidth, allows the cheap a-d stage to work) |
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| 12:15.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | opens up box to check posability of changing video card (if not, its a whole system migration for me) |
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| 12:18.17 | XTZGZoReX | I saved a file named "startservers" and added some commands to it. |
| 12:18.22 | XTZGZoReX | When I try to start it: |
| 12:18.24 | XTZGZoReX | -bash: ./startservers: Permission denied |
| 12:18.27 | XTZGZoReX | I did it as root. |
| 12:18.29 | XTZGZoReX | Any ideas? |
| 12:18.34 | idimmu | is it mode +x |
| 12:18.43 | idimmu | ls -al startservers |
| 12:18.47 | idimmu | what's it's permissions? |
| 12:18.54 | XTZGZoReX | H'd I set that mode? |
| 12:18.57 | XTZGZoReX | How'd* |
| 12:19.01 | idimmu | chmod +x startservers |
| 12:19.33 | XTZGZoReX | Worked, although, doesnt seem to execute anything |
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| 12:19.52 | XTZGZoReX | I put some screen commands into it |
| 12:20.26 | pundit | i want to install something from a debian cd. i do it with aptitude. when i am asked to insert the cd, i insert it, and gnome sees it, its there in /media too, however, aptitude continues to ask me to insert the cd ... :S |
| 12:21.04 | mib_y3zo3yum | XTZGZoReX: did you put #!/bin/sh in the first line? |
| 12:21.09 | XTZGZoReX | nope |
| 12:21.11 | XTZGZoReX | im supposed to? |
| 12:21.20 | mib_y3zo3yum | yeah |
| 12:21.30 | XTZGZoReX | done |
| 12:21.37 | XTZGZoReX | still doesnt execute the cmds though |
| 12:21.48 | Lethalman | XTZGZoReX, chmod +x startservers |
| 12:21.57 | Lethalman | ah ops |
| 12:21.58 | XTZGZoReX | Lethalman: did that before |
| 12:22.01 | XTZGZoReX | :) |
| 12:22.02 | XTZGZoReX | #!/bin/sh |
| 12:22.02 | XTZGZoReX | screen -A -d -m -t server1_realmd ./server1/bin/mangos-realmd -c ./server1/bin/realmd.conf |
| 12:22.07 | XTZGZoReX | That's the first lines of the file |
| 12:22.16 | Lethalman | XTZGZoReX, do you get any other errors? |
| 12:22.25 | XTZGZoReX | no |
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| 12:22.27 | XTZGZoReX | nothing |
| 12:22.28 | XTZGZoReX | at all |
| 12:22.33 | Lethalman | so the thing is done |
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| 12:23.00 | pundit | "screen -R" |
| 12:23.04 | XTZGZoReX | -R? |
| 12:23.13 | pundit | then you reconnect (-R) to the screen... |
| 12:23.19 | pundit | which is open but not visible to you |
| 12:23.31 | XTZGZoReX | I know.. |
| 12:23.33 | XTZGZoReX | But it doesnt start the screen sessions |
| 12:24.19 | versuchsanstalt | -R is reconnect _or_ start a new session |
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| 12:25.48 | Linuturk | well, my etch to lenny upgrade went ok |
| 12:26.10 | pundit | screen should start in any case. if the command following screen in you shell script are not functional you should get the message "[screen is terminating]" |
| 12:26.27 | XTZGZoReX | well i use |
| 12:26.29 | Linuturk | two issues: a) no nvidia driver (wish I had read this before) and b) apt-get is acting funny (not installing packages like xmms) |
| 12:26.31 | XTZGZoReX | screen -A -d -m -t |
| 12:26.34 | XTZGZoReX | so i dont get sent to the screen |
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| 12:27.18 | dutchfish | XTZGZoReX, look man page screen -X |
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| 12:27.40 | Linuturk | c xmms - Versatile X audio player |
| 12:27.44 | Linuturk | what does the c mean? |
| 12:27.57 | Maulkin | Linuturk: xmms has been removed |
| 12:27.59 | XTZGZoReX | Oh well, got the screens fixed. |
| 12:28.05 | XTZGZoReX | Now, how do I use timers in Bash? =o |
| 12:28.11 | Maulkin | XTZGZoReX: read man bash |
| 12:28.18 | Maulkin | Or try google |
| 12:28.22 | pundit | i want to install something from a debian cd. i do it with aptitude. when i am asked to insert the cd, i insert it, and gnome sees it, its there in /media too, however, aptitude continues to ask me to insert the cd ... :S |
| 12:28.24 | Linuturk | Maulkin: why? |
| 12:28.41 | Maulkin | Linuturk: It uses gtk1, which is deprecated. |
| 12:28.53 | Maulkin | Linuturk: look at xmms or audacious. |
| 12:28.55 | Maulkin | err. |
| 12:28.58 | Maulkin | xmms2 |
| 12:29.15 | N3bunel | saluta |
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| 12:31.54 | ma3x | why is bitchx not available in lenny? |
| 12:32.06 | XTZGZoReX | I can't seem to find how to use timers on that man page. |
| 12:32.14 | Maulkin | ma3x: it's been removed. |
| 12:32.22 | ma3x | \but why? |
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| 12:32.26 | idimmu | irssi is better? |
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| 12:33.06 | Maulkin | ma3x: see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=451373 |
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| 12:34.02 | ma3x | xchat is better but you can't run it in the console |
| 12:34.09 | Maulkin | Use irssi |
| 12:35.27 | XTZGZoReX | Can emacs be executed in console? |
| 12:35.34 | fasta | XTZGZoReX: emacs -nw |
| 12:35.47 | XTZGZoReX | fasta: thanks |
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| 12:35.53 | XTZGZoReX | Err. |
| 12:35.59 | fasta | What does the "Listen" directive exactly do in cups? |
| 12:36.01 | XTZGZoReX | man bash doesnt help me locate how to use delays/timers |
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| 12:36.24 | Beerded | XTZGZoReX: try man at |
| 12:36.30 | Penix | fasta: most likely tells it what address to listen on |
| 12:36.36 | XTZGZoReX | No manual entry for at |
| 12:37.10 | fasta | Penix: so, I can basically only tell the port number there? |
| 12:37.29 | Penix | what *address* it listens on |
| 12:37.39 | fasta | Penix: and maybe the interface of the NIC. |
| 12:37.42 | Beerded | !at |
| 12:37.42 | dpkg | at is, like, a Delayed job execution and batch processing program or an old IBM computer. austria |
| 12:37.50 | Penix | fasta: no, probably not |
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| 12:37.59 | Beerded | XTZGZoReX: apt-get install at ;) |
| 12:38.04 | XTZGZoReX | :o |
| 12:38.05 | XTZGZoReX | k |
| 12:38.06 | fasta | Penix: which together make up an address, no? |
| 12:38.10 | Penix | fasta: you don't specify something like an interface. you specify the IP address assigned to the interface |
| 12:38.16 | fasta | Penix: yes, I know |
| 12:38.30 | Penix | cups or anything else doesn't care whether that's eth0 or wlan0 |
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| 12:38.57 | Beerded | XTZGZoReX: also look at renice, nice etc. |
| 12:38.57 | Penix | fasta: there's probably a seperate port definition, besides the listen address |
| 12:39.07 | fasta | Listen localhost:631 |
| 12:39.17 | fasta | Penix: I believe that's ok. |
| 12:39.19 | Penix | yeah, that'd surely work |
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| 12:39.41 | XTZGZoReX | Beerded: this at confuses me a bit - could you possibly tell me how to make a "at" command that wiats 5 secs and then executes something? |
| 12:40.07 | Maulkin | XTZGZoReX: don't use at, it's not granular enough |
| 12:40.12 | Penix | fasta: if you want access from something besides the local machine, specify something like 192.168.x.x:631 |
| 12:40.17 | Maulkin | sleep 5 && dosomething; |
| 12:40.40 | XTZGZoReX | Maulkin: this is for a batch script, so is the ; needed? |
| 12:40.50 | Maulkin | Not really |
| 12:40.59 | XTZGZoReX | also does sleep pause the whole script until the 5 secs are over? |
| 12:41.07 | Maulkin | Yes |
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| 12:41.13 | XTZGZoReX | Ah, good. |
| 12:41.16 | fasta | Penix: I want to have access (also admin) from every node on the network. |
| 12:41.28 | XTZGZoReX | Now, last question: How in the world do you save a file in emacs(ssh)? :) |
| 12:41.38 | Penix | fasta: might be able to specify something like eg. 192.168.0.0/24:631 |
| 12:41.50 | Maulkin | No idea. I use vim. It probably involves the control key though |
| 12:41.51 | Penix | fasta: there'd be a cupsd.conf manual |
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| 12:42.12 | fasta | Penix: I need to read up on netmasks first |
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| 12:43.03 | Beerded | XTZGZoReX: ctrl-x ctrl-w |
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| 12:43.23 | XTZGZoReX | K, thanks. |
| 12:43.40 | Penix | XTZGZoReX: there's a builtin tutorial |
| 12:44.01 | Beerded | XTZGZoReX: ctrl-x ctrl-c to quit |
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| 12:44.20 | XTZGZoReX | Hmm, k. |
| 12:44.29 | Beerded | XTZGZoReX: you better use vi than emacs for remote shell/console editing ... |
| 12:44.53 | Beerded | XTZGZoReX: hehe, or it's a matter of taste I guess ;) |
| 12:44.59 | XTZGZoReX | lol |
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| 12:45.05 | XTZGZoReX | I'd prefer nano :D |
| 12:45.12 | ma3x | why i have no sound when playing quicktime? |
| 12:45.15 | XTZGZoReX | over vi, that is |
| 12:45.40 | Penix | code+nano = no no no |
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| 12:46.21 | XTZGZoReX | why not? |
| 12:46.32 | Penix | I don't know how anyone does it |
| 12:46.39 | Penix | vim/emacs 'ftw' |
| 12:46.42 | cast | i know a perl user who uses nano |
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| 12:46.51 | snewp | i have a webserver, if i try to download a file it will just give me 3Kbps of download rate, tried downloading some files to other websites it have like 50Kbps download rate .. any idea what to check? |
| 12:46.55 | Penix | I know a nano user who uses perl |
| 12:46.59 | fasta | Beerded: you can setup emacs to start fast too. |
| 12:47.12 | cast | i wonder if its the same person :o there can't be that many deviants online |
| 12:47.24 | Penix | cast: you're talking about the *internet* right? |
| 12:47.32 | Beerded | fasta: sure, it's just that you "always" got vi around ... |
| 12:48.08 | Beerded | fasta: otherwise cat and sed works just fine ;) |
| 12:48.32 | Beerded | echo even ... |
| 12:48.51 | dvs | looks for edlin |
| 12:48.57 | Beerded | hehe |
| 12:49.46 | arcsky | I just did apt-get install php5, do i have to do anymore for get php5 working with apache2 ? |
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| 12:51.55 | dvs | arcsky: libapache2-php5 ? |
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| 12:52.06 | dvs | something like that. |
| 12:52.27 | arcsky | ah i forgot to add a line in apache2.conf |
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| 12:52.37 | dvs | arcsky: libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 12:52.41 | arcsky | AddHandlder |
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| 12:52.55 | stew | arcsky: just "a2enmod php5" |
| 12:53.02 | arcsky | ok |
| 12:53.13 | arcsky | nice thanks |
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| 12:53.37 | stew | arcsky: in general you should leave apache2.conf alone. if you need to make local changes (which you don't in this case) do it in httpd.conf or sites-availabe or conf.d |
| 12:54.28 | fasta | I wish I the Internet had a delete button... |
| 12:54.36 | dvs | o_O |
| 12:54.38 | arcsky | sites-available sites-enabled |
| 12:54.39 | dvs | rm -rf? |
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| 12:54.43 | arcsky | whats the differnts ? |
| 12:55.00 | a-atwood | Beerded: REAL programmers use ex and TALK IN CAPITAL LETTERS |
| 12:55.03 | dvs | arcsky: sites-enabled are the ones that are currently working. |
| 12:55.12 | arcsky | ah ye ok |
| 12:55.20 | stew | arcsky: sites-enabled are symlinks to files in sites-available that you want to be enabled (you can enable with a2ensite sitename) |
| 12:56.39 | arcsky | What do you think about run apache on internet, ist secure ? |
| 12:57.02 | hardcampa | ehh doh |
| 12:57.07 | Beerded | a-atwood: I once had to transition a finance application system written in italian COBOL (comments, variables etc) to some modern system ... they were running on some weird Philips servers that were the hottest running machines I've ever seen. ;) |
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| 12:57.51 | fasta | arcsky: I think it's not secure in a theoretical sense. |
| 12:57.52 | Beerded | Debian ftw for admins any day |
| 12:58.00 | asg | arcsky: it can be made secure if you know what you are doing. |
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| 12:58.59 | fasta | Any source code containing "FIXME: memory leak" is a no go area for secure stuff imho. |
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| 12:59.12 | dvs | heh |
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| 12:59.22 | arcsky | ok |
| 12:59.24 | cast | arcsky: about a bizzillion more attractive targets than you are running it, so i think you'll be fine. provided you don't do anything silly :) |
| 12:59.25 | Penix | there goes half your system |
| 12:59.29 | a-atwood | gah. they gave away my sparc boxen at work to another division. |
| 12:59.33 | fasta | Penix: yes, I know that too. |
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| 13:00.27 | a-atwood | they were some kind of wierd Tatung SPARCS that Debian was giving "invalid instruction" errors on boot with. |
| 13:00.30 | cast | arcsky: that is to say, i'd feel happy if one just installed and didn't touch the config :) |
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| 13:01.10 | a-atwood | I was wanting to take one home and figure out what was wrong and submit a patch. |
| 13:01.38 | Penix | 64bit SPARCs? |
| 13:01.49 | a-atwood | only thing I found (besides solaris 8 and 10) was openBSD |
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| 13:01.53 | a-atwood | Penix: aye. |
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| 13:02.20 | a-atwood | Penix: circa 2001 or so |
| 13:02.23 | Penix | a-atwood: openbsd's a pretty good compromise |
| 13:02.59 | a-atwood | Penix: their addon repo's were totally hosed, however. at least for sparc |
| 13:03.06 | Penix | packages? |
| 13:03.09 | a-atwood | aye |
| 13:03.23 | Beerded | a-atwood: I remember I used to rsh into some SPARCS boxes at the university and set the volume in the box to full and play a nasty screaming Ren from Ren&Stimpy at 03:30 in the morning when some sysadms were there playing Mud and IRCing all night long .. they were loated in the basement of the maths building. ;) |
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| 13:03.36 | Penix | ports are encouraged anyway I guess. the packages do come in handy though |
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| 13:04.00 | Beerded | I used an at-delayed command to conceal my login ... hehe |
| 13:04.01 | hoxu | is there apache2-ssl-certificate command? |
| 13:04.06 | Penix | I'd imagine Linux would have better support for such a chip though |
| 13:04.06 | a-atwood | they were built with 2 different library versions. would have had to rebuild EVERYTHING but the core packages |
| 13:05.01 | a-atwood | I hate not knowing what the problem was. THEY TOOK AWAY MY PUZZLE BEFORE I FINISHED! |
| 13:05.07 | a-atwood | there is no greater crime. |
| 13:05.16 | Beerded | a-atwood: at least SPARCs were better than the sun3 and sun4 architectures ... |
| 13:05.30 | Penix | sun4 is still sparc |
| 13:05.54 | a-atwood | under the right circumstances, sparcs rock. I like solid hardware |
| 13:05.56 | Beerded | yes, but the early ones we had were no color ... |
| 13:06.11 | Penix | bow to my ancient colour frambuffer card(s) |
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| 13:06.18 | Penix | frame even |
| 13:06.45 | a-atwood | well, these had no framebuffer. serial console only. 8) |
| 13:06.45 | Beerded | I have a Indy ;) |
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| 13:06.52 | Penix | a-atwood: not true |
| 13:07.12 | Penix | sparcstations had onboard video and some had seperate sbus cards |
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| 13:07.27 | Penix | spelling! |
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| 13:07.36 | a-atwood | Penix: the ones I was playing with had no video ports at all. they were tatung telecomm boxes |
| 13:07.48 | Penix | a-atwood: that'd be why |
| 13:07.53 | Penix | talking standard sun stuff |
| 13:08.23 | Penix | the serial console features are still available with sun's gear though. pretty nice even for ancient boxes |
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| 13:08.49 | Penix | gotta ditch three of 'em soon. just wanna trunk this quad 10mbit sbus card before I do :) |
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| 13:14.26 | waspius | hi..i am trying to create a network from debian to vista with a crossover wire..does anyone know what i need to do..ie.install smb etc...or any site that can help |
| 13:15.24 | Penix | waspius: we don't know what you want to do. tell us what you want to do and maybe we can help |
| 13:15.49 | waspius | Penix: share files |
| 13:15.49 | Penix | waspius: there are loads of samba guides. hit google |
| 13:16.08 | Penix | look for a debian specific one |
| 13:16.27 | xingu | hmm |
| 13:16.34 | Penix | waspius: /msg dpkg samba |
| 13:16.55 | xingu | how normal is it to wind up with dvd+r media that will fail OPC at say 4x burn speed but pass at 1x? |
| 13:18.49 | xingu | suspects - "far too common" |
| 13:19.28 | maligor | I think it depends partially on the dvd drive firmware |
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| 13:19.47 | xoz | waspius: can you ping from debian to vsta? |
| 13:19.49 | Inktjet | Does anyone know how I can copy a part of a file in nano when working in nano? |
| 13:20.15 | Penix | surely there's something about that in the manual |
| 13:20.17 | xingu | maligor: "it's a sony" - benq media (which has been fine to date on hp usb2/firewire external units at work) |
| 13:20.30 | xingu | maligor: does the sonyness make it less, or more suspect? :) |
| 13:21.34 | Nyle | Inktjet, read the online help |
| 13:21.43 | Nyle | try ^h |
| 13:22.04 | xingu | I'll tell you something though, _diagnosing_ that a HD-DVD drive doesn't support dvd+rw format at all is a frickin hoot. |
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| 13:22.49 | enouf | wonderful, innnitt? |
| 13:23.03 | maligor | xingu, well, updating your drive firmware might help |
| 13:23.17 | maligor | I tend to use verbatims myself |
| 13:23.19 | xingu | vista helpfully treats the discs as a blank dvd+r and gets completely bamboozled; google searching reveals a morass of the truly dim stuck floundering in A/V forums |
| 13:23.30 | enouf | write strategies for backups, beauty |
| 13:23.32 | maligor | heh |
| 13:23.55 | maligor | xingu, well, if nothing else, that does sound like a flaky firmware |
| 13:24.37 | xingu | the threads I've been down include whether or not the vista (ultimate) dvd support includes css/mpeg2 (it does); whether or not it supports dvd's at all in vmc (it does); and things of that ilk. |
| 13:24.55 | enouf | xingu: which has been fine to date; a,. b.. or both? :-) |
| 13:25.10 | fasta | What does the address foo.local mean? |
| 13:25.27 | enouf | oh wait, a., b., c., or d.. all of the above ;-P |
| 13:25.36 | xingu | enouf: well I so rarely burn stuff that it's a total mystery each time through, it can be three _years_ between burns for me |
| 13:26.05 | enouf | a==drive, b==media, c== enclosure |
| 13:26.30 | xingu | enouf: the read support on both units has been fine; the additional layer of confusion is the whole dvd+r vs dvd+rw thing combined with a sp1 update between the last known working case (obviously on dvd+r media) and the most recent failure (on dvd+rw) |
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| 13:26.53 | xingu | enouf: as I said, diagnosing to root cause has been a real hoot |
| 13:27.09 | fasta | Never mind |
| 13:27.14 | dante_2core | fasta, depends on the context, but foo is normally used to say that something user-specific has to stand there |
| 13:27.34 | xingu | enouf: throw in the last little layer of *ckitude, a dvd+r, dvd+rw burner that will only write to this media with growisofs -speed=1 ... |
| 13:27.36 | fasta | dante_2core: Iceweasel converted localdomain to local |
| 13:27.45 | xingu | enouf: what a wild waste of a weekend. :) |
| 13:27.56 | dante_2core | fasta, I see - yet, "foo" mostly is something like a wildcard |
| 13:27.59 | fasta | dante_2core: no idea why cups returned localdomain, though. |
| 13:28.10 | fasta | dante_2core: I made up the meta-syntactical variable. |
| 13:28.12 | fasta | dante_2core: "foo" |
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| 13:28.18 | dante_2core | fasta, what's the general problem? |
| 13:28.20 | fasta | dante_2core: that was not my question |
| 13:28.23 | fasta | dante_2core: nothing anymore. |
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| 13:28.30 | dante_2core | fasta, good then :D |
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| 13:29.21 | fasta | dante_2core: well, I am trying to use the cups configured printer now. |
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| 13:29.39 | fasta | dante_2core: (the one connected to another machine on the LAN) |
| 13:29.52 | dante_2core | fasta, cups takes some time to understand - but it's nowhere near as hard as other things ;) |
| 13:30.12 | fasta | dante_2core: It seems it's just a way to create work. |
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| 13:31.55 | Nyle | happy sunday! |
| 13:31.59 | dvs | boo! |
| 13:32.02 | fasta | I just want to communicate a few bits of information to the machine: 1) The location of the printer in some way 2) That a certain machine should have access to it 3) All applications from that machine should be able to use it. |
| 13:32.02 | enouf | xingu: you ain't kidding ... |
| 13:32.08 | fasta | That should be completely trivial. |
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| 13:32.41 | pjv | is it possible for my wifi adapter to have aliases? I currently have a laptop with wifi, when i go to work i have to reconfigure it to be on dynamic, but when i take it home i have to reconfigure it again for a static IP |
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| 13:34.48 | frog_ | hi. where in linux should i put the licence file for vmware workstation? and how does it look like? while trying to use gui, the workstation crashes |
| 13:34.57 | arcsky | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.57 | arcsky | Module php5 does not exist! |
| 13:36.53 | arcsky | dvs: do you maybe know what do ? |
| 13:37.01 | dvs | arcsky: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 13:37.06 | dvs | like i said before |
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| 13:37.26 | arcsky | already did it |
| 13:37.35 | arcsky | ah |
| 13:37.37 | dvs | arcsky: restart apache? |
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| 13:38.15 | arcsky | yes |
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| 13:39.08 | dvs | arcsky: have two links in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled called php5.conf and php5.load? |
| 13:39.24 | enouf | xingu: i've been looking through some old bookmarks/docs and trying to make some coffee .. give me a few please |
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| 13:39.35 | indro | hi all |
| 13:40.33 | arcsky | dvs: no php files there |
| 13:40.35 | enouf | xingu: naturally, some of the bookmarks are dead (and these aren't actually that old), so i have to hunt through google cache, ugh |
| 13:40.39 | dvs | that's the problem |
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| 13:41.07 | dvs | arcsky: are they at least in mods-available? |
| 13:41.12 | dvs | arcsky: are they at least in /etc/apache2/mods-available? |
| 13:41.19 | fasta | Is there an application like top that simply prints a list of memory usage for every application (including system processes)? |
| 13:41.51 | arcsky | dvs: nope :/ |
| 13:42.03 | dvs | arcsky: then libapache2-mod-php5 is not installed |
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| 13:42.11 | mirrorcolor | hi, how to change the number of columns and rows of my tty terminal? |
| 13:42.23 | indro | i want install lastfm from http://apt.last.fm but im using debian sid so it takes this version. (cause its newer) |
| 13:42.31 | indro | how i can install the version from the lastfm repo? |
| 13:42.34 | arcsky | dvs: libapache2-mod-php5 is already the newest version. |
| 13:42.35 | fasta | What application do I need to get the Desktopâ>Administrationâ>Printing entry? |
| 13:43.07 | dvs | arcsky: then you'll have to reinstall it |
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| 13:43.50 | Beerded | fasta: ps shows memory |
| 13:43.54 | ma3x | where do I get help for wpa_supplicant variable names? i can't enough information in /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant |
| 13:44.46 | indro | if i want for example something from debian testing repo (older version that is in unstable) i do apt-get install pkg/release, but how i can install an older version from another repo? |
| 13:45.05 | arcsky | dvs: like apt-get --reinstall install libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
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| 13:45.10 | dvs | arcsky: yup |
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| 13:45.14 | Doug52392 | Hi |
| 13:45.17 | arcsky | ok done |
| 13:45.17 | dvs | well, aptitude |
| 13:45.21 | dvs | but that's picky |
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| 13:45.33 | dvs | arcsky: are the files there now? |
| 13:45.46 | arcsky | dvs: nope :/ |
| 13:45.47 | Doug52392 | How do I make a mounted filesystem read-write for all users? Currently it's only readable by root, but not writeable. |
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| 13:46.15 | sander_1 | hello, i have to do a remote kernel update , if the kernel fails to operate after the reboot is it possible that after the second reboot grub boots the default kernel again? |
| 13:46.21 | dvs | arcsky: makes no sense to me then. Those files are suppose to be part of that package. |
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| 13:46.31 | indro | can anyone help me pls |
| 13:46.36 | Penix | sander_1: got serial console access? |
| 13:46.49 | sander_1 | Penix no |
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| 13:47.11 | fasta | Ok, I just answered my own question. |
| 13:47.12 | sander_1 | i can remember there was a way that with every reboot grub would boot a other kernel |
| 13:47.13 | ma3x | do i need this option enabled or disabled - wpa-ap-scan |
| 13:47.23 | dvs | arcsky: what does "dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php5 | tail -1" say? |
| 13:47.25 | indro | humm |
| 13:47.29 | sander_1 | i can remotly reboot he machine |
| 13:47.29 | fasta | (due to good software (the "new" add/remove software GTK program)) |
| 13:47.38 | arcsky | dvs: i libapache2-mod-php5 5.2.5-3 server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (Apache 2 module) |
| 13:47.48 | dvs | hmmm |
| 13:47.55 | xXploit | any1 here currently mounting ext3 volumes as ext4dev? |
| 13:47.58 | Penix | sander_1: I think there's a way to tell it what to load on the next boot. that might not permanently override the default entry, which is what you'd want |
| 13:48.08 | dimir | !any1 |
| 13:48.08 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 13:48.12 | dimir | \o/ |
| 13:48.30 | sander_1 | Penix exactly! |
| 13:50.10 | indro | i want install 1:1.4.1.57486 0 from http://apt.last.fm, but i get 1.4.2.58240.dfsg-1 0 from unstable/testing, any idea how I do that? |
| 13:50.14 | Penix | sander_1: something like this can easily be applied to debian http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Remote_Kernel_Upgrade |
| 13:51.12 | Penix | but, as it says, if the actual kernel fails while booting, you'd still need to be able to power cycle the machine |
| 13:51.24 | indro | http://rafb.net/p/eVdmgZ60.html |
| 13:51.26 | Penix | it's only if grub fails to load the image/partition etc. where your plan wold help |
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| 13:51.40 | sander_1 | Penix i can power cycle the machine remotely |
| 13:51.48 | Penix | ok. cool |
| 13:52.13 | xingu | oh just brilliant |
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| 13:52.18 | sander_1 | i hope the new kernel would work.. |
| 13:52.22 | xingu | the comedy continues - this dvd has a menu on it that crashes vmc |
| 13:52.29 | Penix | sander_1: is it a debian kernel, or custom? |
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| 13:52.35 | xingu | but not wmp11 |
| 13:53.04 | xingu | why is everything in the AV world so kooky |
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| 13:53.14 | indro | hm is my question not understable or nobody know the answer? :/ |
| 13:53.53 | Penix | indro: you might want pinning. /msg dpkg pinning |
| 13:54.13 | sander_1 | Penix it's a custom kernel |
| 13:54.23 | Penix | sander_1: heh. all up to you then ;) |
| 13:54.23 | Nyle | Happy 4/20 |
| 13:54.24 | sander_1 | linux-2.6.24.5 |
| 13:54.37 | Nyle | dvs, enouf hey |
| 13:54.41 | Penix | sander_1: it won't fail unless you leave out obviously important stuff that might stop it from booting |
| 13:54.45 | dvs | Nyle: hey! |
| 13:55.04 | indro | Penix: i tried this http://rafb.net/p/ADK2d082.html |
| 13:55.16 | indro | in /etc/apt/preferences, didnt worked... |
| 13:55.27 | indro | still get 1.4.2.58240.dfsg-1 |
| 13:55.29 | Nyle | man |
| 13:55.38 | sander_1 | Penix i have currently running 2.6.19 wich is also custom , i copyed .config to the new kernel directory and compiled |
| 13:55.39 | Nyle | it took almost 1.5 gb download to update my sid laptop |
| 13:55.42 | Nyle | good lord |
| 13:55.54 | Penix | of disk space once extracted I hope? |
| 13:55.59 | Nyle | I got too much junk in here, tons of dev packages etc. etc. |
| 13:56.11 | dvs | Nyle: nah, it's just kde. ;-) |
| 13:56.15 | Penix | sander_1: run make oldconfig first just incase |
| 13:56.26 | Linuturk | What's the best method for installing the nvidia driver on lenny? |
| 13:56.31 | Nyle | bah fuck off man kde kciks buttocks really hard ! muahaha (j/k) |
| 13:56.34 | indro | any idea why this not works? |
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| 13:56.38 | cast | Linuturk: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 13:56.47 | Nyle | dvs, I have lots and lots of stuff in there |
| 13:56.49 | enouf | xingu: well anyway, i'm sure you're sick of all this nonsense by now, but whenever i have an issue like that, i always, a) try various media, b) visit club.cdfreaks.com(if they don't know, nobody will), |
| 13:56.50 | fasta | How can I see the list of current printing jobs? Only via the web-interface? |
| 13:56.54 | Nyle | I got like every single latest 3d game |
| 13:56.55 | Nyle | lol |
| 13:56.58 | Penix | fasta: lpq |
| 13:57.02 | indro | Penix: ? |
| 13:57.04 | dvs | Nyle: hmmm.... That'll do it |
| 13:57.08 | Nyle | yup |
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| 13:57.16 | dvs | only need xscorch. ;-) |
| 13:57.25 | Nyle | plus it owing to the fact that I have not upated this sid box in over 7 months |
| 13:57.29 | arcsky | dvs: read my pm :p |
| 13:57.31 | Penix | indro: you could always grab the package manually and install it with dpkg, as long as you've got the deps already |
| 13:57.36 | Nyle | almost everything was upgraded pretty much |
| 13:57.54 | dvs | arcsky: /msg bots NOT people |
| 13:57.55 | Penix | Nyle: perfect time for it to bite you in the arse ;) |
| 13:57.56 | Linuturk | cast: if you actually read that wiki page like i have, the nvidia driver has been removed from testing b/c of a bug. I can't tell if I'm supposed to setup a testing/unstable hybrid or if I'm supposed to install the nvidia way. |
| 13:58.05 | xingu | enouf: there's a bunch of less clueless twerps at greenbutton too fyi, when it comes to mediacenter stuff |
| 13:58.13 | Nyle | Penix, so it would seem proper for it to do so |
| 13:58.17 | arcsky | dvs: ok |
| 13:58.20 | indro | Penix: tried that too, didnt find the archive... |
| 13:58.23 | indro | http://apt.last.fm/debian gives not found. |
| 13:58.25 | enouf | c) review my silly bookmarked OPC info http://club.cdfreaks.com/f33/running-optimum-power-control-beta-70862/ (old) and my specific drive's abilities and firmware; http://liggydee.cdfreaks.com/page/en/ (NEC mostly here), d) look to the propagandists http://www.dvdplusrw.org/Search.All.asp?mid=0&sid=1&aid=58 + http://pioneer.jp/crdl-e/tech/dvd/7.html and e) start smashing things ;-) |
| 13:58.25 | xingu | enouf: but the SNR in the whole A/V space is atrocious, it's one giant cargo cult |
| 13:58.29 | Nyle | Penix, yet sid doesn't live up to its name for me usually |
| 13:58.33 | Penix | indro: there's your problem then |
| 13:58.37 | fasta | Penix: too bad my printing job is already done, but I understand how it works. Thanks |
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| 13:58.46 | Penix | Nyle: sshh ;) |
| 13:58.54 | Nyle | Penix, all I see in sid is the quality of packages, and the fact that it is far more stable than a few other 'stable' distros |
| 13:59.00 | cast | Linuturk: i install shit the nvidia way, have to redo which each kernel update though |
| 13:59.02 | Nyle | though I am not condoning the use of it |
| 13:59.07 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 13:59.07 | dpkg | i guess dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 13:59.08 | Penix | he's not! |
| 13:59.10 | Nyle | thanks very much! |
| 13:59.12 | Nyle | :D |
| 13:59.14 | dvs | Nyle: whatever. ;-) |
| 13:59.21 | arcsky | dvs: I got problem with my apache2 so i did apt-get remove apache2 + rm -r /etc/apache2 after when i did apt-get install apache2 it didnt create /etc/apache2 |
| 13:59.25 | arcsky | so i did a copy from my other debian machine. |
| 13:59.28 | xingu | enouf: cheers, that's a _really_ good writeup of OPC |
| 13:59.29 | Nyle | dvs, hehe |
| 13:59.31 | enouf | xingu: a big "i concur" ;-) |
| 13:59.32 | indro | Penix: hmm, i can update with the apt.last.fm line in sources.list |
| 13:59.38 | arcsky | dvs: thats why its wrong now |
| 13:59.39 | indro | dont get a file not foudn there |
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| 13:59.53 | cast | s/which/with |
| 13:59.58 | indro | OK http://apt.last.fm debian/stable Packages |
| 14:00.08 | Nyle | what? |
| 14:00.16 | Nyle | i wonder what that does |
| 14:00.26 | dvs | arcsky: Maybe apache2-common is in control of that directory. |
| 14:00.27 | Nyle | since I use only amarok and that has last.fm thingy built in |
| 14:00.44 | Nyle | indro, does this have any features beyond sending your song stuff to last.fm |
| 14:00.52 | indro | amarok crashes in current version after a few songs here. :/ |
| 14:00.57 | Nyle | indro, I rather like the built-in feature with amarok |
| 14:00.58 | enouf | xingu: maybe the Manu.'s started using IOPC instead http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1396277 , and didn't tell anyone O_o |
| 14:01.05 | Nyle | indro, on sid? hasn't happened yet |
| 14:01.07 | indro | Nyle, i want install an older lastfm client version. |
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| 14:01.22 | indro | because the current version is buffering... |
| 14:01.33 | indro | it doesnt on older iirc... |
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| 14:01.49 | Nyle | have you checked the amarok bts? |
| 14:01.52 | xingu | enouf: totally totally possible; or equally possible that it's just off-spec that happens to work in everything except msft's parser, who knows. |
| 14:01.54 | Nyle | or the debian bts on amarok |
| 14:02.04 | indro | nope, might do that.. |
| 14:02.09 | xingu | enouf: it's a dead simple menu, just has one hot region to click to play the main title - still image, no sound. |
| 14:02.21 | indro | *should do that |
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| 14:02.56 | arcsky | dvs: i did apt-get --reinstall install apache2.2-common but no php files in mods |
| 14:03.00 | naiv | ohoh, i did exec # aptitude upgrade, 10minutes ago and it stills saying "resolving dependencies" (open 350, closed 12749, reported 8000, conflict 4) |
| 14:03.39 | dvs | arcsky: that's because the php files are in libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 14:03.44 | naiv | time passes and numbers growth :) |
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| 14:04.28 | dvs | crazyfrog: I love your music! ;-) |
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| 14:04.56 | crazyfrog | in etch,which package should be installed ,xorg or xserver-xfree86? |
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| 14:05.10 | Nyle | dvs, what? |
| 14:05.11 | dvs | crazyfrog: xorg |
| 14:05.16 | Nyle | crazyfrog, you make music? |
| 14:05.19 | dvs | Nyle: what what? |
| 14:05.20 | Nyle | crazyfrog, musician? |
| 14:05.36 | Nyle | could you join #music then please |
| 14:05.39 | dvs | Nyle: you haven't heard of "Axel F" by Crazy Frog? |
| 14:05.44 | Nyle | thanks |
| 14:05.52 | Nyle | well thas why im saying |
| 14:05.56 | Nyle | im in music |
| 14:05.57 | Nyle | go there |
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| 14:06.10 | Nyle | chat there |
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| 14:06.26 | Nyle | crazyfrog, /msg dpkg setup x |
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| 14:06.38 | blackgoth | well, that didnt work out that well :P |
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| 14:07.26 | Nyle | its great man we got musicians from all over the world in there |
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| 14:07.45 | Nyle | learn a lot, about music theory, general music discussions, artists, genres, oldschool shit w/e you know man |
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| 14:08.12 | Badenser | hi all ... when launching java on my lenny/amd64 box I receive a "bus error". Sounds unhealthy. What might that be and where can I start to search? |
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| 14:08.27 | Nyle | Badenser, java app |
| 14:08.38 | Nyle | Badenser, try the bug tracker |
| 14:08.48 | Badenser | Nyle, I mean: i only run "java -version", not a java program |
| 14:09.19 | gravity | Badenser: Where'd you get java from? |
| 14:09.36 | Badenser | gravity, debian sources |
| 14:09.48 | gravity | hrm |
| 14:09.48 | Nyle | On some platforms, an application will get a bus error if its executable file or one of its shared libraries are replaced while the application is running |
| 14:09.58 | Nyle | not sure if it is the case with debian |
| 14:09.58 | Badenser | gravity, I installed sun-java6-jre and sun-java5-jre |
| 14:10.04 | Nyle | though a bug in the JVM can cause this |
| 14:10.15 | Nyle | of course if the app has a coding fault that causes it too |
| 14:10.28 | Nyle | yeh |
| 14:10.28 | gravity | Badenser: Ok, I'm not sure then, sorry :-\ |
| 14:10.32 | Nyle | so java app was running |
| 14:10.37 | Nyle | from either 5 or 6 jre |
| 14:10.40 | Nyle | and when you installed another |
| 14:10.45 | Nyle | you probably overwrote the files |
| 14:10.48 | Nyle | like I mentioned above |
| 14:10.57 | Nyle | remove both packages, completely, and try to isntall just the one |
| 14:10.59 | Badenser | Nyle, don't know ... I had java running on that box IIRC |
| 14:11.02 | crazyfrog | Assuming a minimal installation,what is the easiest and cleanest way to install X system and KDE ? |
| 14:11.14 | Nyle | Badenser, I THINK thats what happenning |
| 14:11.21 | Nyle | I'm not sure if the packages have any overlapping files |
| 14:11.25 | Badenser | Nyle, I have other problems with truncated libs on this machine, do not exactly know it its related |
| 14:11.25 | Nyle | I've never looked into it |
| 14:11.34 | Badenser | ok |
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| 14:11.53 | Badenser | right at the moment I try a complete aptitute reinstall ... |
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| 14:12.13 | gravity | crazyfrog: I'm not sure about a clean KDE, but for X the way to do it is to install "xorg", then if you're really concerned about the extra drivers go back and remove the xserver-xorg-video-* and xserver-xorg-input-* packages that you're not using |
| 14:12.30 | Haris1 | Does etch have kernel 2.6.9 through packages? |
| 14:12.34 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 14:12.36 | gravity | crazyfrog: Realistically though, just installing xorg is fairly clean |
| 14:12.53 | indro | i found the bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367910 |
| 14:12.56 | dvs | Haris1: no, the lowest it has is 2.6.18 i think |
| 14:13.15 | Haris1 | hmm.. where can I find an older version? |
| 14:13.15 | Nyle | you can build .9 from archive sources |
| 14:13.17 | arcsky | dvs: how can i delete all ? |
| 14:13.24 | Nyle | or try an older snapshot |
| 14:13.24 | Haris1 | Nyle: I know, thankyou =) |
| 14:13.36 | dvs | arcsky: dpkg -P apache2.2-common ? |
| 14:13.39 | Nyle | !sdn |
| 14:13.39 | dpkg | somebody said sdn was go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 14:13.41 | Haris1 | I can build any version from source |
| 14:13.48 | Haris1 | What I was looking for was a pre-built package |
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| 14:14.29 | arcsky | dvs: http://pastebin.com/m1eb8433d |
| 14:15.16 | dvs | arcsky: try apt-get remove apache2.2-common |
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| 14:15.56 | Haris1 | Can't make sense of -> http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/l/linux-2.6.16/ |
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| 14:16.01 | arcsky | dvs: why doesnt /etc/apache2 e> I'm not sure if the packages have any overlapping files |
| 14:16.06 | arcsky | upps |
| 14:16.06 | Haris1 | -> http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/l/linux-2.6/binary-i386/ |
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| 14:16.17 | arcsky | dvs: why doesnt /etc/apache dissapears ? |
| 14:16.18 | dvs | huh? |
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| 14:16.43 | arcsky | dvs: i want /etc/apache2 to be gone so i can do a fresh install |
| 14:16.51 | dvs | arcsky: Oh probably residual config files |
| 14:17.05 | dvs | arcsky: try apt-get --purge remove apache2.2-common |
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| 14:17.17 | Haris1 | I think snapshot doesn't have 2.6.9 |
| 14:17.27 | arcsky | dvs: already did |
| 14:17.43 | dvs | with the --purge option? |
| 14:17.53 | Haris1 | aha! |
| 14:17.59 | arcsky | dvs: yes |
| 14:18.00 | Haris1 | its the lines for sources |
| 14:18.22 | dvs | arcsky: I'd just try installing it now. |
| 14:18.25 | arcsky | /etc/init.d/apache2 still there |
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| 14:18.46 | arcsky | dvs: i know how to install but not remove/purge it |
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| 14:19.45 | dvs | ahhhhhhhhhhh! |
| 14:20.06 | dvs | runs for cover |
| 14:20.08 | Haris1 | it goes as far back as 2.6.12 |
| 14:20.54 | dvs | arcsky: I don't think the --purge option works for dependencies. |
| 14:21.14 | arcsky | dvs: oki but what then? |
| 14:21.30 | Haris1 | the 2.6.12 has a -smp and has one without the -smp |
| 14:21.30 | dvs | arcsky: I'd just start installing again. |
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| 14:21.35 | dutchfish | aptitude has some clever options to clean out unneeded libs |
| 14:21.46 | Haris1 | linux-image-2.6.12-1-686 and linux-image-2.6.12-1-686-smp |
| 14:21.57 | arcsky | apt-get install apache2 apache2.2-common php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 14:21.58 | arcsky | this? |
| 14:22.12 | dvs | arcsky: aptitude install apache2 apache2.2-common php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 14:22.28 | justin | shouldn't be installing the -common package |
| 14:22.39 | dvs | justin: yeah, that's try |
| 14:22.40 | Haris1 | How do I get the key for snapshot? |
| 14:22.41 | dvs | true |
| 14:22.48 | dvs | arcsky: aptitude install apache2 php5 libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 14:23.00 | arcsky | aptitude vs apt ? |
| 14:23.11 | dutchfish | !aptitude |
| 14:23.12 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 14:23.47 | dutchfish | huh? its changed |
| 14:23.59 | salvin | arcsky, apt |
| 14:24.01 | dvs | but aptitude keeps track of dependent packages. |
| 14:24.19 | Haris1 | How do I get the key for snapshot.debian.net? |
| 14:24.47 | themill | arcsky: aptitude |
| 14:25.53 | arcsky | dvs: Apache/2.2.8 (Debian) PHP/5.2.5-3 with Suhosin-Patch Server at 192.168.0.1 Port 80 |
| 14:26.03 | arcsky | ist installed then? |
| 14:26.13 | Haris1 | can't find past references in logs :| |
| 14:26.36 | salvin | in my opinion apt is more safe than aptitude |
| 14:26.37 | dvs | arcsky: looks good to me |
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| 14:26.47 | arcsky | dvs: <? phpinfo(); ?> doesnt work |
| 14:26.50 | hoxu | salvin, safe as in? |
| 14:26.50 | Inktjet | Where does windows stores putty bookmarks and config prefs? does anyone know? |
| 14:26.50 | Haris1 | salvin: how? |
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| 14:26.59 | Nyle | Inktjet, ##windows |
| 14:27.08 | Nyle | Inktjet, registry perhaps? |
| 14:27.10 | salvin | because deasn't automatically remove orphan dependencies |
| 14:27.14 | Nyle | Inktjet, ask there in windows |
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| 14:27.43 | hoxu | salvin, oh, you always have the option of marking those not automatically installed when aptitude tells you what it's removing as unused deps |
| 14:27.50 | arcsky | dvs: it works now lol |
| 14:28.04 | dutchfish | Inktjet, if you use the 1 binary only, in its same dir |
| 14:28.05 | arcsky | dvs: but my on this computer not |
| 14:28.13 | arcsky | dvs: ít want to save my test.php |
| 14:28.15 | Haris1 | it sucks when you have a fast connection that's working at crap speed on a weekend |
| 14:29.53 | Inktjet | dutchfish: isnt |
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| 14:30.24 | dutchfish | Inktjet, http://jakub.kotrla.net/putty/ |
| 14:30.31 | Orion_X11 | How do I fix it after running "aptitude update"? > GPG error: http://ftp.us.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 14:30.37 | salvin | hoxu, i prefer apt-get |
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| 14:30.46 | Inktjet | ok |
| 14:30.50 | hoxu | salvin, you are free to, but aptitude is recommended generally |
| 14:30.58 | themill | Inktjet: in the registry afaik. perhaps ask in #putty |
| 14:30.59 | arcsky | http://hem.passagen.se/dmsn/test.JPG |
| 14:31.33 | dutchfish | Inktjet, Path for saving configuration can be set via file putty.conf saved in the same directory as putty.exe (pscp.exe/psftp.exe). putty.conf should look like this (if it's not found defaults are used) |
| 14:31.35 | themill | !tell arcsky about php wants me to download still |
| 14:32.26 | Orion_X11 | arcsky: I mean in console with a command line |
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| 14:36.56 | arcsky | themill: thanks ;) |
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| 14:37.24 | themill | np |
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| 14:38.27 | chunter | hi all, how much students are allowed for Gsoc under Debian ? |
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| 14:38.58 | dutchfish | is there any comparable package out there to what a goom, for xmms2? I realy like xmms2 but there is not much graphical like that? |
| 14:39.17 | chunter | anyone please reply.. |
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| 14:41.24 | cast | hmm, i want to cmd1 | cmd2 but have the output of cmd1 printed to the terminal, is cmd1|tee /dev/stderr|cmd2 the best way? seems a bit of typing |
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| 14:41.42 | lord_rob | Hi ! |
| 14:41.43 | \amethyst | chunter: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org might have more information about that |
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| 14:43.35 | Haris1 | \amethyst: How do I get a the keyring for snapshot.debian.net ? |
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| 14:45.22 | \amethyst | does it have its own keyring? |
| 14:46.04 | \amethyst | I figured you'd use the debian archive keyring for that, since the stuff in snapshots all comes from earlier Debian releases |
| 14:46.38 | \amethyst | I guess if you try to install a too-old package version, its key might have expired from the current keyring |
| 14:47.04 | Haris1 | well, when I was getting linux-image-2.6.12-1-686-smp, it save me the same old message, unknown/untrusted package, enter "Yes" or "No" |
| 14:47.18 | Haris1 | gave+ |
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| 14:49.24 | earthian | hello, what is the easy way to create a MS DOS bootable usb flash disk under linux? |
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| 14:51.47 | dutchfish | earthian, if you are on gnome you could use gparted fro that |
| 14:52.03 | earthian | I am on gnome |
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| 14:52.08 | \amethyst | don't you need DOS for that? |
| 14:52.16 | earthian | checks gparted again |
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| 14:52.39 | earthian | i could use freedos maybe? dunno |
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| 14:52.50 | dutchfish | \amethyst, after creating the partition and make it bootable, he only needs dosutils |
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| 14:53.26 | Bushmills | depends on what "dos bootable" mean, |
| 14:53.27 | \amethyst | dosutils? |
| 14:53.40 | Bushmills | if it means "boots into dos" he'd need dos too |
| 14:53.44 | \amethyst | oh, something not in debian |
| 14:53.50 | earthian | :/ |
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| 14:54.35 | dutchfish | hold your hoses, looking it up |
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| 14:54.43 | Bushmills | earthian: i'd say, booting into dosemu, binding usb drive to dos drive, and running sys drive: might be easiest. |
| 14:54.44 | dutchfish | s/hoses/horses |
| 14:54.54 | dutchfish | Bushmills, yup |
| 14:54.59 | earthian | hmm |
| 14:55.15 | themill | Is it even possible to boot a machine into dos off a usb stick? |
| 14:55.20 | ruied_ | I've compiled a kernel 2.6.25 with make-kpkg --initrd but the initrd failed do load the raid1 module (it loaded the md module), so, I can't boot my raid 1 array... what can I do to initrd includes the raid1 module ? |
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| 14:55.27 | Assid | heya |
| 14:55.37 | Assid | does the current stable support iscsi ? |
| 14:55.43 | dutchfish | themill, yes, but you need dos drivers for usb |
| 14:55.48 | Bushmills | themill: if bios supports usb, and makes usb stick available as drive, why not. |
| 14:56.13 | Bushmills | for all that dos knows, usb stick is just a mass storage device |
| 14:56.16 | earthian | the bios supports usb booting.. it just says that the drive is not bootable :x |
| 14:56.18 | dutchfish | feeling his nostalgia coming up |
| 14:56.25 | ruied_ | it reports: "modprobe: FATAL: Module raid1 not found." |
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| 14:56.40 | Wyzard | ruied_: Maybe you left the raid1 driver out of your build? |
| 14:56.55 | Assid | also if i have a general partition.. how do i make it a LVM? |
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| 14:58.21 | Wyzard | Assid: Move all the data off it, then use fdisk to change its partition type to 8e (Linux LVM), run pvcreate on it, add it to a volume group, create logical volume(s) in it, and move the data back |
| 14:58.45 | dutchfish | http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/linux/dosemudebian.html#bootimages |
| 14:59.08 | ruied_ | Wyzard, I know I've selected it (maybe as a part of the kernel) should it be as a module? |
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| 14:59.49 | Wyzard | ruied_: If it's a module, the initrd should be able to load it; if it's built-in, the initrd doesn't need to load it |
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| 15:00.34 | Wyzard | ruied_: but if the initrd loaded md_mod as a module, then raid1 is definitely not built-in, because raid1 depends on md_mod |
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| 15:02.49 | ruied_ | Wyzard, goint to check... |
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| 15:04.03 | Haris1 | hmm |
| 15:04.21 | Haris1 | 2.6.12-1-686-smp doesn't support pppoe and ip forwarding? |
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| 15:04.44 | Wyzard | Haris1: dunno about pppoe, but it certainly ought to support forwarding... that isn't exactly a new feature |
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| 15:04.51 | Wyzard | Haris1: Why such an old kernel though? |
| 15:05.13 | Haris1 | Wyzard: same old problem with iptables in implementing transparent proxy |
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| 15:05.41 | Haris1 | its not fixed in the 2.6.22-x |
| 15:05.53 | Haris1 | so, I'm looking for an older version |
| 15:06.19 | LimCore | hello |
| 15:06.33 | LimCore | ubuntu fails to provide working sshfs |
| 15:06.47 | LimCore | this bug is fixed in recent debian.. I wonder can I somehow use that in ubuntu |
| 15:06.47 | Bushmills | LimCore: write a bug report |
| 15:07.03 | \amethyst | LimCore: Try rebuilding Debian's sshfs package on ubuntu |
| 15:07.05 | LimCore | Bushmills: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sshfs-fuse/+bug/137519 |
| 15:07.07 | \amethyst | !simple sid backport |
| 15:07.07 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 15:07.15 | Bushmills | good |
| 15:07.15 | bkw | I've commented out "session optional pam_motd.so" in /etc/pam.d/login. When login is made on the terminal no motd is displayed. But if I ssh to the host the motd still is shown on login. How can it be disabled for ssh logins? |
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| 15:07.25 | \amethyst | LimCore: something like that ought to work for your case, too |
| 15:07.31 | \amethyst | Bhaal: /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 15:07.34 | \amethyst | oops |
| 15:07.40 | \amethyst | bkw: /etc/pam.d/ssh |
| 15:07.48 | \amethyst | bkw: oh, it's sshd, sorry |
| 15:08.01 | Bushmills | there is also shfs, i addition to sshfs - not as fuse module |
| 15:08.09 | Bushmills | at least in debian is |
| 15:08.09 | LimCore | hmmm |
| 15:08.15 | LimCore | I wonder whats the difference |
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| 15:08.43 | Bushmills | hmm - i might be mistaken |
| 15:08.51 | Bushmills | can't see shfs atm |
| 15:08.57 | \amethyst | LimCore: for one thing, shfs is in the kernel, sshfs is user-space, using FUSE to talk to the kernel |
| 15:09.10 | LimCore | mhmm |
| 15:09.24 | \amethyst | shfs-{source,utils} has been removed from unstable and lenny |
| 15:09.40 | Haris1 | what kernel version between 2.6.13 - 2.6.18 supports pppoe? |
| 15:09.46 | Haris1 | before 2.6.18 |
| 15:09.52 | Bushmills | Haris1: all should |
| 15:09.55 | dutchfish | sshfs worked for me both on stable debian and ubuntu |
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| 15:10.10 | Haris1 | well, 2.6.12 didn't out of the box, that is |
| 15:10.21 | Bushmills | again, all should |
| 15:10.40 | Bushmills | pppoe support dates back to long before 2.6 |
| 15:11.32 | flami | Hi , how can I install the 2.6.22 kernel headers , it says: "Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.22 but it is not installable" ... where can i get that ? |
| 15:12.18 | dutchfish | flami, did you build this kernel yourself? |
| 15:12.22 | flami | no |
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| 15:12.29 | flami | lenny runs on 2.6.24 |
| 15:12.52 | \amethyst | flami: you can get it from snapshots |
| 15:12.58 | flami | but im having troubles with it so I wanted to go back to 2.6.22 but i cant get the headers anymore |
| 15:13.07 | flami | snapshots? |
| 15:13.11 | Haris1 | don't know if 2.6.24 fixes it |
| 15:13.12 | \amethyst | !snapshots |
| 15:13.12 | dpkg | from memory, snapshots is Archive which contains all debian packages, including already removed from debian official archives because of very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or some other reasons. Please visit http://snapshot.debian.net |
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| 15:13.17 | Bushmills | flami: are you running a 2.6.24 kernel, but try to install a program which depends on 2.6.22 headers? |
| 15:13.23 | Haris1 | no one in #kernel answers me |
| 15:13.25 | flami | Nope |
| 15:13.38 | Bushmills | ah, ok |
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| 15:13.56 | flami | right now Im running 2.6.22 , but i wanted to rebuild the fglrx kernel module :/ |
| 15:14.07 | flami | thanks about the snapshot thing |
| 15:14.45 | epifanio | hi, i've an old laptop that has a broken cd-room ... i need to install debian on it ... so my only solution is to try a netboot |
| 15:15.03 | Bushmills | epifanio: floppy boot? |
| 15:15.21 | epifanio | it haven't a floppy drive :-( |
| 15:15.29 | dutchfish | epifanio, usb boot also an option |
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| 15:16.03 | epifanio | nothing ... these buis give me only : hd cdrom or ethernet boot options |
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| 15:16.54 | dutchfish | epifanio, then you have the honour of setting up PXE boot along with dhcpserver and tftpserver |
| 15:17.10 | Bushmills | epifanio: maybe the hard disk can be connected to another machine |
| 15:17.11 | dutchfish | epifanio, over nfs |
| 15:17.14 | Haris1 | rhel uses 2.6.9 |
| 15:17.27 | Haris1 | I was thinking of using it to see if my problem gets solved |
| 15:17.47 | Haris1 | I'll have to configure and rebuild the kernel. I'm checking, if I can save time before I do it |
| 15:17.50 | Bushmills | or some boot image which can be started with loadlin |
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| 15:19.30 | unclemike | is testing lenny a stable system |
| 15:19.47 | Bushmills | unclemike: define "stable" |
| 15:20.08 | flami | its stable enough for my needs :P not stable enought o run on my servers though. |
| 15:20.14 | unclemike | compared to 4.0 etch |
| 15:20.23 | Haris1 | Plugin rp-pppoe.so loaded. |
| 15:20.23 | Haris1 | Linux kernel does not support PPPoE -- are you running 2.4.x? |
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| 15:20.45 | maligor | unclemike, what do you mean by stability? |
| 15:20.59 | unclemike | everyday use as a desktop |
| 15:21.05 | maligor | probably quite stable |
| 15:21.05 | themill | unclemike: of course not. If it were that good, it would be released as "stable". Also, lenny is a moving target -- you continually have to work "on" your computer rather than just working "with" it. |
| 15:21.31 | flami | unclemike, right now the new kernel cannot set my hwclock anymore , and i think that fglrx beeps up too. ... thats a little inconvinient but not devestatingly unstable |
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| 15:21.50 | flami | should do as a desktop |
| 15:21.51 | maligor | beeps up? |
| 15:21.57 | dutchfish | Haris1, cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep PPP |
| 15:22.09 | flami | Im not gonna swear in here ^^ |
| 15:22.21 | unclemike | does 4.0 have pulseaudio |
| 15:22.32 | flami | I think it doesnt |
| 15:22.37 | maligor | even unstable is usable as a desktop, you just have to know what to do if something goes horribly wrong |
| 15:22.45 | maligor | like a core package breaking |
| 15:22.48 | flami | but normally testing is a smooth ride |
| 15:23.35 | \amethyst | 'stable' doesn't mean it doesn't crash. It, in fact, means that crashes don't get fixed unless they're security issues |
| 15:24.01 | unclemike | ok |
| 15:24.01 | maligor | yeah, platform stability |
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| 15:24.53 | Bushmills | that;s probably an example of a program not quite "stable" lol |
| 15:25.28 | \amethyst | yes, etch has pulseaudio 0.9.5 |
| 15:25.35 | \amethyst | lenny has 0.9.10 |
| 15:26.25 | epifanio | my major problem is to know the laptop's mac address ... on these laptop i haven't a SO |
| 15:26.58 | themill | ifconfig -a |
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| 15:27.22 | \amethyst | epifanio: SO? |
| 15:27.29 | epifanio | it do not have any system installed :-/ |
| 15:27.38 | epifanio | the HD is empty |
| 15:27.40 | \amethyst | epifanio: boot with a Linux live CD and do ifconfig -a then |
| 15:27.43 | Haris1 | for some reason, reportbug is not listing bugs for linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 15:27.56 | epifanio | ok ... i'll try to boot using a live cd |
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| 15:27.57 | dutchfish | \amethyst, he has no working cdrom |
| 15:28.09 | \amethyst | oh |
| 15:28.15 | \amethyst | I see |
| 15:28.28 | flami | ahh yes , the glorious 2.6.22 makes everything good again . even fglrx is running kinda stable again |
| 15:28.37 | dutchfish | usb or netboot are his only options if i am correct |
| 15:28.38 | \amethyst | flami: which 2.6.22, btw? |
| 15:28.44 | maligor | flami, what's the unstable one? .23? |
| 15:28.58 | flami | no lenny has 2.6.24 now |
| 15:29.07 | \amethyst | maligor: .24 |
| 15:29.20 | flami | Im running the stock old lenny kernel ;) |
| 15:29.31 | Haris1 | hmm, bts is not responding. is BTS up via reportbug? |
| 15:29.32 | maligor | I have a fairly vanilla custom 2.6.24.4, fglrx works on it |
| 15:29.35 | flami | if thats what you wanted to know |
| 15:29.37 | \amethyst | flami: what's the complete version number? |
| 15:29.51 | flami | 2.6.22-3 if i remember right |
| 15:30.03 | \amethyst | flami: and what is the debian version of the package? |
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| 15:30.18 | themill | Haris1: there's nothing wrong with the BTS. |
| 15:30.27 | dutchfish | epifanio, if you would live in the netherlands you could plug it into my lan, and PXE boot and stall in ~15min |
| 15:30.30 | Hungmanmoojoo | yo |
| 15:30.33 | \amethyst | flami: dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r) should show something like 2.6.22-6.lenny1 as the package version |
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| 15:30.43 | flami | linux-image-2.6.22-3-686: |
| 15:30.43 | flami | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.56 | \amethyst | flami: okay, you have the fix for the security holes earlier this year |
| 15:31.04 | Hungmanmoojoo | how do i add the repo from sid and give it lower priority than my testing repo? |
| 15:31.21 | flami | aw man is that the one that works with jesicabeal.... ? |
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| 15:31.44 | epifanio | dutchfish: :-) |
| 15:31.49 | flami | oh wait no :P missread |
| 15:31.52 | epifanio | how can i do ? |
| 15:31.53 | Hungmanmoojoo | i need python 2.5.. it isn't in testing |
| 15:32.30 | dutchfish | epifanio, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/478 |
| 15:32.46 | flami | I just hope that .24 will be as stable as .22 at some point |
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| 15:32.54 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: no. there's a rather interesting transition going on atm |
| 15:33.11 | \amethyst | flami: have you filed a bug report? |
| 15:33.16 | Hungmanmoojoo | themill: ? |
| 15:33.30 | flami | no I already saw the HWclock bug |
| 15:33.41 | flami | but i can post at that place again |
| 15:33.51 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/04/msg00006.html |
| 15:33.52 | \amethyst | flami: oh, so it's already been reported? what's the bug number? |
| 15:34.04 | flami | gimme a sec I need to find it again |
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| 15:35.52 | epifanio | dutchfish: i'm reading .. need i to setting up a dhcp and tftp server ? |
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| 15:36.13 | dutchfish | epifanio, yes, but that can all be done a 1 seperate machine |
| 15:36.23 | Hungmanmoojoo | themill: does this mean that they are changing to python 2.5 right now? |
| 15:36.37 | epifanio | ok i've a desktop machine with ubuntu on it |
| 15:36.42 | epifanio | can i ues it ? |
| 15:36.50 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: in the process of trying to do so, yes. The plan is that lenny should use 2.5 as the default python. |
| 15:37.08 | Hungmanmoojoo | do you know when? |
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| 15:37.23 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: /msg dpkg siyh |
| 15:37.44 | dutchfish | epifanio, you, can but for easy, i would install a small debian with the options you need in a separate partition |
| 15:38.08 | \amethyst | Hungmanmoojoo: but this takes time because every package that currently depends on python < 2.5 must be rebuilt, then must wait to go from unstable to testing |
| 15:38.13 | flami | \amethyst, it could have been this one : 435102 but that was .21 :/ |
| 15:38.13 | Haris1 | 2.6.13 doesn't support ip_forwarding? |
| 15:38.18 | dutchfish | epifanio, maybe it can be done with knoppix or so too |
| 15:38.39 | Haris1 | I have 1 in /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, but its not working as a router |
| 15:38.46 | dutchfish | epifanio, just to get things going |
| 15:38.53 | Haris1 | Need some insight into this |
| 15:39.02 | epifanio | dutchfish: ... i cant partitioning these (ubuntu) machine ... can i try using a virtual machine (debian testing) ? |
| 15:39.02 | Haris1 | what module do I need to check for in lsmod? |
| 15:39.04 | \amethyst | Haris1: do you need to do NAT? |
| 15:39.06 | Haris1 | lsmod's output |
| 15:39.13 | dutchfish | epifanio, sure |
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| 15:39.17 | Haris1 | \amethyst: yes, nat mod is loaded in lsmod's output |
| 15:39.33 | dutchfish | epifanio, just use debian etch |
| 15:39.46 | \amethyst | !ipmasq |
| 15:39.46 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 15:40.01 | Haris1 | iptable_nat 23924 3 ipt_REDIRECT,ipt_MASQUERADE |
| 15:40.01 | Haris1 | ip_conntrack 45640 3 ipt_state,ipt_MASQUERADE,iptable_nat |
| 15:40.05 | epifanio | ok .. i'll install the stable on a virtual machine of course |
| 15:40.07 | Hungmanmoojoo | \amethyst and themill: is sid using python 2.5 right now? |
| 15:40.10 | \amethyst | Haris1: and what about your iptables rules |
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| 15:40.24 | Haris1 | \amethyst: They are automatically set on bootup |
| 15:40.36 | \amethyst | Hungmanmoojoo: yes, but not all reverse dependencies had been rebuilt last I checked |
| 15:40.41 | dutchfish | epifanio, great, its very nice to learn this, it will great benefit for future installs too |
| 15:40.46 | Bushmills | Hungmanmoojoo: 2.5.2-1 |
| 15:40.48 | \amethyst | Haris1: and are they correct? |
| 15:40.57 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: you can check that yourself at packages.debian.org |
| 15:41.00 | bkw | mysql.h in what package is that found, libmysql++-dev? |
| 15:41.26 | Haris1 | I had 2 rules for ppp0, that is not up, since pppoe is not supported in 2.6.13-1-686-smp. Removed them. Checking |
| 15:41.42 | \amethyst | Haris1: have you gotten this setup to work with any kernel? |
| 15:42.05 | themill | bkw: /msg pkg search <== apt-file is your friend. (libmysqlclient15-dev) |
| 15:42.11 | Haris1 | \amethyst: This works perfectly. I just booted with 2.6.13-x kernel |
| 15:42.22 | Spida | is anybody here running debian on an alix-board? I am looking for a working kernel/.config |
| 15:42.30 | \amethyst | Haris1: and the same iptables rules don't work with later kernels? |
| 15:42.32 | Haris1 | works with the out of the box kernel of etch r2 |
| 15:42.51 | Haris1 | \amethyst: work with later, but are not working with older ones |
| 15:42.59 | \amethyst | why are you using an older one? |
| 15:43.15 | Haris1 | to make transparent proxying work |
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| 15:43.22 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 15:43.22 | Haris1 | flawlessly |
| 15:43.43 | Haris1 | 2.6.18 has problems with ip_conntrack |
| 15:43.54 | Haris1 | sometimes connections are accepted, at random they are not |
| 15:43.58 | \amethyst | and later kernels? |
| 15:44.01 | Haris1 | same issue |
| 15:44.09 | Haris1 | hasn't been resolved in them, checked last night |
| 15:44.17 | Haris1 | till 2.6.22 |
| 15:44.34 | Haris1 | its a problem with the kernel |
| 15:44.40 | Hungmanmoojoo | \amethyst: what happens i all reverse deps isn't rebuilded yet? |
| 15:44.41 | Haris1 | in 2.6.18 and around |
| 15:44.43 | \amethyst | have you tries 2.6.24? |
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| 15:44.47 | Haris1 | not yet |
| 15:45.02 | Haris1 | apt-cache search linux-image doesn't list .24 yet |
| 15:45.07 | Haris1 | I think I'm missing some repo |
| 15:45.10 | \amethyst | Hungmanmoojoo: it means some packages aren't installable in sid because they still depend on the old python version, which isn't available in sid |
| 15:45.11 | Haris1 | in sources.list |
| 15:45.12 | dutchfish | i use connection tracking in 2.6.24 and 2.6.25 without a problem |
| 15:45.24 | Haris1 | nope |
| 15:45.25 | Haris1 | its listed |
| 15:45.36 | themill | !tell Haris1 about etchnhalf |
| 15:45.40 | \amethyst | hm |
| 15:45.43 | Hungmanmoojoo | but i'm using lenny |
| 15:45.54 | Hungmanmoojoo | it has python 2.4 |
| 15:46.04 | Haris1 | updated installer -> aptitude? |
| 15:46.14 | Haris1 | I know about etchhalf |
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| 15:46.21 | Haris1 | heard about it a few days ago |
| 15:46.30 | \amethyst | Haris1: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=python |
| 15:46.37 | \amethyst | oops |
| 15:46.38 | \amethyst | sorry |
| 15:46.41 | \amethyst | Hungmanmoojoo: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=python |
| 15:47.23 | \amethyst | Hungmanmoojoo: python 2.5 can't go into lenny until all that stuff gets upgraded in lenny, too |
| 15:47.28 | bkw | themill: OK. installed apt-file. Such tool should be a part of the main apt- tools. dpkg -S isn't always that useful. |
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| 15:48.45 | themill | bkw: it's not needed on most machines though, so for the same reason that make and gcc aren't included by default on every machine, neither is apt-file. But yes, it's damned handy. You can also use packages.debian.org instead of apt-file. |
| 15:48.53 | Haris1 | what's later -> linux-image-2.6.24-rc8-686 or linux-image-2.6.24-1-686. linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 is, right? |
| 15:49.02 | Haris1 | latest+ |
| 15:49.28 | flami | Hum I couldnt find a hwclock bug for the 2.6.24 kernel |
| 15:49.36 | dutchfish | Haris1, dont use rc8 its buggy |
| 15:49.40 | Leo_ | can anybode help me to get happy with my virtualhosts on apache2? i am working hard on it, but it wont work :( |
| 15:49.52 | Hungmanmoojoo | but if i add the sid repo to my testing enviroment but with lower priority.. wouldn't that mean if a program needed python 2.5 it would take it from sid.. and everything else would stay the same? |
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| 15:50.05 | Hungmanmoojoo | isn't it called pinning packages? |
| 15:50.18 | Haris1 | dutchfish: Ok |
| 15:50.24 | dutchfish | Haris1, vanilla stable is at 2.6.24-4 |
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| 15:50.34 | Haris1 | seems like internet was not working completely on the 2.6.13 kernel |
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| 15:50.43 | dutchfish | Haris1, correction its already 2.6.25 |
| 15:50.44 | St0n3-C0l | Hmm, how do i set my hostname with my lan ip with just 'SHAKIL' and not domain which is XYZ. So when I do it, it gets 'SHAKIL.XYZ' rather than just 'SHAKIL' |
| 15:50.53 | Haris1 | dutchfish: 24-1-686 is the latest I see in apt-cache output |
| 15:51.02 | \amethyst | Hungmanmoojoo: kind of... the problem is when python and some testing package end up depending on different versions of some third package |
| 15:51.05 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: you can install python2.5 under etch if you want... it's just the default python that is being changed. |
| 15:51.07 | flami | \amethyst, I couldnt find the Hwclock bug for .24 think i should report it? |
| 15:51.10 | dutchfish | Haris1, i was talking about VANILLA |
| 15:51.14 | themill | !wayttd Hungmanmoojoo |
| 15:51.14 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Hungmanmoojoo? |
| 15:51.17 | Haris1 | ah, ok |
| 15:51.27 | dutchfish | Haris1, rc8 = vanilla |
| 15:51.40 | Haris1 | St0n3-C0l: /etc/hosts |
| 15:51.52 | St0n3-C0l | Haris1: Yeah then? |
| 15:51.53 | Haris1 | ./etc/hostname |
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| 15:51.59 | Haris1 | ./bin/hostname |
| 15:51.59 | St0n3-C0l | will it overwrite? |
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| 15:52.07 | Haris1 | you'll need a reboot, iirc |
| 15:52.12 | \amethyst | flami: you said there was a bug report for an older kernel? maybe add to that report |
| 15:52.20 | Haris1 | St0n3-C0l: do the 'hit and trial' way |
| 15:52.40 | dutchfish | Haris1, for your info, you might be better of with this on vinalla, debian desnt enable all kernel options like arptables and ebtables (as an example) |
| 15:52.51 | St0n3-C0l | Haris1: My hostname is SHAKIL but bro, I've LAN and it recognizes me with my hostname SHAKIL while in HOSTS it automatically attaches my domain with the hostname. Domain is used as wORKGROUP. |
| 15:52.55 | Haris1 | shEEP! |
| 15:53.04 | dutchfish | Haris1, or you recompile a debian kernel with the right options |
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| 15:53.06 | St0n3-C0l | so it displays SHAKIL.XYZ |
| 15:53.09 | flami | \amethyst, I'll try that one :P |
| 15:53.42 | Haris1 | St0n3-C0l: in /etc/hosts put your entry like -> 192.168.0.100 shakil.xyz shakil bla bla |
| 15:53.51 | Hungmanmoojoo | themill: huh? |
| 15:53.52 | Haris1 | to get domain name with shakil |
| 15:54.04 | Haris1 | also use the hostname binary to set the hostname and reboot |
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| 15:54.21 | Haris1 | put the entries the other way around if you don't want to have domain name with your hostname |
| 15:54.36 | St0n3-C0l | other way around? XYZ.SHAKIL ? |
| 15:54.46 | St0n3-C0l | or SHAKIL 172.16.0.172 |
| 15:54.56 | dutchfish | 0.o |
| 15:55.16 | Haris1 | St0n3-C0l: do you want to have the domain name or not have it? |
| 15:55.20 | St0n3-C0l | not have it |
| 15:55.22 | Hungmanmoojoo | is it pinning a package if i install something from sid in lenny? |
| 15:55.27 | St0n3-C0l | with the ip, no! |
| 15:55.46 | Haris1 | then put it like -> 192.168.0.100 shakil shakil.xyz bla bla |
| 15:55.57 | Hungmanmoojoo | i want to know how i add another repo and give it a priority |
| 15:56.06 | flami | aparently the HWclock bug was reported for util-linux |
| 15:56.08 | St0n3-C0l | Alright,m |
| 15:56.13 | St0n3-C0l | I will reboot and get back to you |
| 15:56.15 | St0n3-C0l | Thanks :) |
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| 15:56.17 | Hungmanmoojoo | iknow this can be done but i don't know how |
| 15:56.17 | sparr_ | how can I force apt to download from multiple repositories simultaneously? |
| 15:56.36 | zinx | add them to your sources? |
| 15:56.38 | Bushmills | sparr_: there is an bittorrent extension for apt |
| 15:56.39 | Hungmanmoojoo | and i can't google for cause i dont know what it's called |
| 15:56.57 | sparr_ | zinx: key word, simultaneously |
| 15:57.03 | Bushmills | sparr_: that one should, what i read, parallelize downloads |
| 15:57.03 | sparr_ | Bushmills: debtorrent? im looking into it |
| 15:57.16 | zinx | sparr_: it does that automatically here.. or at least aptitude does |
| 15:57.29 | zinx | sparr_: i'm pretty sure apt-get did it as well, but it's been a long time since i've used it |
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| 15:57.49 | flami | \amethyst, well if you wanna look at the bug ive found : http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=435102 , but that is a bug filed against util-linux |
| 15:58.13 | sparr_ | zinx: i think mine does it sometimes. ive noticed multiple progress meters before. but it seems uncontrollable |
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| 15:58.51 | dutchfish | !tzconfig |
| 15:58.51 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 15:59.26 | Bushmills | afaik, ntp and adjtimex at the same time is not a good option. |
| 15:59.42 | zinx | decent ntp daemons will skew the clock properly, aye |
| 15:59.51 | cast | aye. |
| 15:59.54 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: if all you want to do is install python2.5 then just aptitude install python2.5 |
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| 16:00.34 | Bushmills | both together seem to compete for their respective idea of proper skewing, resulting on higher jitter |
| 16:00.38 | Bushmills | in |
| 16:00.39 | Hungmanmoojoo | themill: it's already there |
| 16:00.48 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: so what are you trying to do? |
| 16:01.03 | Haris1 | can I complain about speed from snapshot.debian.org? :p |
| 16:01.04 | zinx | Bushmills: yeah, there's no reason to have two things trying to skew the clock |
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| 16:01.08 | Hungmanmoojoo | themill: but when i type python -V it says 2.4.4.6 |
| 16:01.25 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: so type python2.5 -V |
| 16:01.40 | Hungmanmoojoo | aargh |
| 16:01.50 | ruied_ | new kernel compiled with raid1 as a module, it loads the module but failed to load devices to the array: "mdadm: no devices found for /dev/md0" I'm thinking that this is a problem with sata controller and not with raid... |
| 16:02.11 | Hungmanmoojoo | the package python must be <2.5 |
| 16:02.19 | Hungmanmoojoo | and its 2.4.4.6 |
| 16:02.23 | Bushmills | but according the factoid, one has to be enlightened to use both. |
| 16:02.32 | Hungmanmoojoo | but the package in sid is 2.5.2 |
| 16:02.33 | Bushmills | luckily i'm not :) |
| 16:02.41 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: so what are you trying to do? |
| 16:02.47 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i have not made it, but used it frequently without a glitch |
| 16:03.14 | Bushmills | dutchfish: i learned by experience, monitoring the ntp offset and jitter. and they went wild. |
| 16:03.28 | Hungmanmoojoo | so i would like to add the repo for sid.. give it a lower priority than the one for testing ,, and the pin the 2.5 version of python in aptitude |
| 16:03.38 | dutchfish | Bushmills, so, you think that removing adjtimex is a better way to go? |
| 16:03.46 | Bushmills | dutchfish: could be that i still have some graphs showing the effect |
| 16:03.48 | ruied_ | at the initramfs prompt, I don't find any /dev/sdaX or /dev/sdbX maybe the problem is with sata module... |
| 16:03.52 | Hungmanmoojoo | but i donn't know how to add priority for a repo' |
| 16:03.58 | Hungmanmoojoo | how do i do that? |
| 16:04.03 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: no... please start your story off earlier than this. Why do you want sid and pinning? |
| 16:04.10 | Bushmills | dutchfish: yes, definitely. just ntpd alone. no adjtimes |
| 16:04.19 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: take a step back and give us more information |
| 16:04.28 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ok, so how get the machine then its time from bios on boot? |
| 16:04.33 | Bushmills | adjtimes is ok when you run periodically st like netdate or ntpdate or such |
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| 16:04.59 | Bushmills | dutchfish: doesn't need adjtimes to read hwclock |
| 16:05.03 | Bushmills | timex |
| 16:05.07 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: what you are asking to do is unlikely to work properly and is going to cause you problems. It is also unlikely to be necessary and there's probably a way around it that will work quite nicely. |
| 16:05.08 | dutchfish | Bushmills, ok |
| 16:05.17 | dutchfish | Bushmills, thank you for explaining! |
| 16:05.23 | Bushmills | yw |
| 16:05.26 | Haris1 | we can prioritize sources in sources.list? |
| 16:06.11 | themill | Haris1: no. /msg dpkg pinning |
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| 16:06.56 | Hungmanmoojoo | i have this package: https://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/frs/download.php/119/vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux_2.0.beta1_i386.deb |
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| 16:07.26 | Hungmanmoojoo | you find it here:https://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/frs/?group_id=12&release_id=14 |
| 16:07.42 | Hungmanmoojoo | this package needs python 2.5 |
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| 16:08.23 | St0n3-C0l | Haris1 there? |
| 16:08.32 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i removed adjtimex, and precision is better, indeed less jitter, thank you again! |
| 16:08.35 | Haris1 | St0n3-C0l: yes |
| 16:08.42 | St0n3-C0l | Thanks :) |
| 16:08.51 | St0n3-C0l | this problem persisted me for a long long time |
| 16:09.12 | kanzure | Any alternatives to ikiwiki? Just need a wiki-frontend to a flatfile git repository. |
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| 16:09.34 | Bushmills | dutchfish: i wouldn't expect the effects to be visible that quickly |
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| 16:09.59 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: then you've got little chance of inserting that into debian (note that it's an ubuntu package). If you grab the source for it, you might be able to recompile it for python 2.4, unless they're relying on python2.5 things. Or alternatively, you can change the files to use #!/usr/bin/python2.5 instead. |
| 16:11.10 | dutchfish | Bushmills, by restarting ntp, is obvious after a few log lines |
| 16:11.36 | tymonn | Hey, my sound device always outputs sound from the "front" even when i have my phones connected :x problems with ALSA? |
| 16:11.50 | dbmoodb | no |
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| 16:12.27 | cahoot | tymonn: hda-intel or what? |
| 16:12.35 | dbmoodb | does it work fine -- i have seen this too with an hda-intel |
| 16:12.37 | JyZyXEL | what was the opposite of tail |
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| 16:12.52 | themill | head |
| 16:12.55 | dbmoodb | it doesn't really matter i think pc speaker and front are mixed up |
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| 16:13.12 | Hungmanmoojoo | dmn- |
| 16:13.14 | Hungmanmoojoo | bbl |
| 16:13.24 | Hungmanmoojoo | gotta go feed the baby |
| 16:13.32 | dutchfish | hints Bushmills to ltp-kernel-test |
| 16:13.47 | tymonn | cahoot: hda-intel :) |
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| 16:13.56 | Bushmills | linux terminal project? |
| 16:14.13 | dutchfish | Bushmills, Linux Test Project |
| 16:14.21 | Bushmills | ah. why? |
| 16:14.27 | tymonn | should i add any line at the end of /etc/modules.d/alsa-base ?? |
| 16:14.37 | dbmoodb | btw is hda-intel a good sound card these days ? |
| 16:14.41 | dutchfish | Bushmills, it has tools for tracing those things like jitter on ntp |
| 16:14.51 | Bushmills | i see. |
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| 16:15.02 | tymonn | what should i do guys? |
| 16:15.03 | cahoot | tymonn: lots of different chipsets uses that module - you might try an option for the module - look in ALSA-Configuration.txt |
| 16:15.03 | Bushmills | i use a munin plugin for own monitoring |
| 16:15.22 | Bushmills | and 3 of my server are monitored by pool.ntp.org |
| 16:15.57 | Bushmills | your may even have used the one or the other of them :) |
| 16:16.06 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 16:16.35 | dbmoodb | does it matter if it is "front" |
| 16:16.37 | Bushmills | debian ntp comes preconfigured to use from pool |
| 16:16.41 | dbmoodb | just switch the labels ? |
| 16:17.04 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i never use the pool, but a server in my lan |
| 16:17.20 | dutchfish | Bushmills, security |
| 16:17.47 | dbmoodb | dutchfish - how is that secure ? |
| 16:17.47 | \amethyst | dutchfish: where does the server get the time? |
| 16:17.58 | dbmoodb | afraid of the 2038 ntp attack |
| 16:18.10 | dutchfish | \amethyst, form germany (by air) |
| 16:18.15 | dbmoodb | (he could be using a gps device) |
| 16:18.30 | \amethyst | that's fine then :) |
| 16:18.56 | \amethyst | dutchfish: what if someone hijacks the frequency in your vicinity (assuming radio)? |
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| 16:19.32 | Bushmills | dcf77 maybe. as gps is not germany |
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| 16:20.01 | dutchfish | \amethyst, dcf77 yup |
| 16:20.24 | Bushmills | long wave radio time normal |
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| 16:20.37 | dbmoodb | ah nice |
| 16:20.39 | Bushmills | i think i read that dcf77 will be shut down soon |
| 16:20.40 | dutchfish | \amethyst, there is no absolute security i admit but i dont want certain server to talk to the outside |
| 16:21.13 | \amethyst | dutchfish: reasonable |
| 16:21.15 | dutchfish | Bushmills, is it? nah |
| 16:21.42 | Bushmills | there are still plenty of time normals on misc shortwave frequencies |
| 16:21.42 | dutchfish | Bushmills, i boy i am s.... |
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| 16:22.22 | Bushmills | and as you're only using a server which uses dcf77, there are plenty of alternatives of servers, using different time notmal |
| 16:22.24 | dutchfish | Bushmills, maybe time for a rubidium clock ;) |
| 16:22.25 | Bushmills | normals |
| 16:22.40 | Bushmills | NIST should bring a quantum clock into orbit this year |
| 16:22.47 | dbmoodb | have your own atomic clock |
| 16:23.12 | \amethyst | Bushmills: where'd you hear that dcf77 would be shut down? I hadn't heard such a thing |
| 16:23.20 | Bushmills | supposedly about 10^3 times more precise than a caesium/rubidium clock |
| 16:23.31 | dutchfish | ok, guys i NEED to go at the table ;) wife is calling, have all i nice (debian) day |
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| 16:24.22 | \amethyst | Last I heard, in 2007 they were still talking about using it for civil defense as a public warning system |
| 16:24.27 | Bushmills | \amethyst: can't tell you where i read that. several months ago. wasn't that concerned about it because none of the stratum 1 i sync with uses dcf77 |
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| 16:25.55 | Eulex | talking of time, I've got a few problems with mine. the ntp server (chronyd) is insisting on running it two hours later than it should, since daylight saving time begun, even though my timezone is set correctly |
| 16:26.41 | dbmoodb | really ... you reran tzdata ? |
| 16:26.43 | dbmoodb | or... |
| 16:27.24 | Eulex | I could try, but /etc/timezone says Europe/Stockholm, which is correct |
| 16:27.40 | \amethyst | Eulex: and what do date and date --utc say right now? |
| 16:28.11 | jelly-home | Eulex: hm, I'm using chrony and have seen something similar only after a resume from ram. |
| 16:28.30 | dbmoodb | how do i display unix time using date ? |
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| 16:28.40 | \amethyst | dbmoodb: date +%s |
| 16:28.50 | dbmoodb | oh |
| 16:28.52 | Eulex | \amethyst, two hours past what they should. but I just ran dpkg-reconfigure tzdata; I'll set the clock correctly and report back |
| 16:29.02 | dbmoodb | oh didn't see it there |
| 16:29.06 | Eulex | jelly-home, oh, well, yeah, I've been hibernating this one |
| 16:29.10 | cahoot | 2h past? |
| 16:29.19 | dbmoodb | what about internet time |
| 16:29.36 | Eulex | 18:29 for utc, 20:29 for local time |
| 16:29.42 | \amethyst | dbmoodb: you mean the Swatch thing, measured in 'beats' or someting like that? |
| 16:29.45 | jelly-home | that's 2h in the future |
| 16:29.58 | Eulex | that's what I meant. |
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| 16:30.17 | \amethyst | jelly-home: past as in 'raced past', not 'past tense' |
| 16:30.20 | dbmoodb | yeah |
| 16:30.36 | dbmoodb | swatch thing -- internet time i have a swatch here -- battery is dead |
| 16:30.40 | jelly-home | \amethyst: that meaning has passed past me |
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| 16:31.04 | my007ms | i am used to use rpm system and don't know what to do to install glibc-devel what name under debian ? |
| 16:31.22 | \amethyst | dbmoodb: I don't know about command-line stuff, but you can write it |
| 16:31.37 | jelly-home | my007ms: libc6-dev, or just install build-essential |
| 16:31.41 | dbmoodb | ... i'm sure there is a program or too, i would be suprised if it was in date |
| 16:31.48 | \amethyst | dbmoodb: there are a few GUI plugins and apps that show swatch time |
| 16:31.53 | path_ | my007ms, try man apt-get :) |
| 16:31.59 | dbmoodb | yeah i think the gnome clock can do it |
| 16:32.05 | my007ms | path_ i do now ;) |
| 16:32.27 | Eulex | anyway, if chrony starts skewing time towards the future again, I'll report back |
| 16:32.28 | dbmoodb | why yes it can |
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| 16:32.52 | my007ms | thanks jelly-home |
| 16:32.59 | Bushmills | dbmoodb: echo $(($(date +%s) % 86400 / 60 * 25/36)) |
| 16:32.59 | tymonn | dudes, i just fked up my ALSA drivers, what should i do to put it ok again? COMPLETE REMOVAL in the ALSA-BASE ? |
| 16:33.21 | Eulex | tymonn, alsa drivers are part of your kernel. |
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| 16:33.27 | JyZyXEL | Bushmills make so that its displayed with a sine scroller |
| 16:33.28 | dbmoodb | nar that isn't it ... wait |
| 16:33.34 | tymonn | Eulex: that means... UPS ? |
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| 16:33.42 | tymonn | i fked up my kernel? |
| 16:33.46 | dbmoodb | its 731.74 beats according to the gnome clock |
| 16:33.56 | dbmoodb | -- dont' worry |
| 16:34.08 | Bushmills | or echo $(($(date +%s) % 86400 * 5 / 432 )) |
| 16:34.12 | cast | s/fked/fucked/g |
| 16:34.27 | Eulex | tymonn, no, probably just a few kernel modules. reinstall the kernel. also reinstall the alsa userspace stuff (alsa-base etc) |
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| 16:34.56 | Bushmills | JyZyXEL: would a munin plugin do for that purpose? |
| 16:35.03 | Bushmills | (uses ttdtool) |
| 16:35.07 | Bushmills | rrdtool |
| 16:35.28 | tymonn | Eulex: just tell me how do i reinstall the kernel modules |
| 16:35.41 | Eulex | tymonn, you reinstall the kernel package in question. |
| 16:35.41 | JyZyXEL | wtf |
| 16:35.43 | \amethyst | Bushmills: you need to add 3600 before the multiply and divide |
| 16:36.03 | JyZyXEL | how does that have to do with a shell sine scroller |
| 16:36.09 | \amethyst | Bushmills: swatch uses UTC+1 as the internet time zone |
| 16:36.32 | tymonn | Eulex: sorry i am a noob i am doin a apt-get remove alsa* |
| 16:36.42 | tymonn | Eulex: and now i will install it again |
| 16:37.16 | Eulex | tymonn, I'd recommend running apt-get --reinstall install pkgname or aptitude reinstall pkgname if you don't want to remove all dependencies of alsa... |
| 16:38.46 | Bushmills | \amethyst: how do they handle summer sunlight saving time? |
| 16:39.05 | Bushmills | as we are in ST now, maybe that's the correction already? |
| 16:39.07 | cast | i just had an interesting idea |
| 16:39.40 | \amethyst | Bushmills: they don't change for summer, it's always UTC+1 |
| 16:39.51 | Poisson_Pilote | Hi guys, can somebody give me the name of a program to visualize keyboards interrupts ? |
| 16:40.01 | cast | is there anything like the network block device driver that is capable of accessing a file hosted on http? |
| 16:40.07 | LeGreffi3R | Poisson_Pilote> "cat" |
| 16:40.21 | \amethyst | Bushmills: so normally it matches Switzerland; during the summer, UK |
| 16:40.39 | Poisson_Pilote | LeGreffi3R, thanks but cat only display those that are mapped by the layout |
| 16:40.45 | Bushmills | i'm in uk TZ now. |
| 16:40.54 | LeGreffi3R | Poisson_Pilote> nop |
| 16:40.56 | Bushmills | (IST) |
| 16:41.15 | LeGreffi3R | Poisson_Pilote> you can cat on the device file /dev/input/ |
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| 16:41.27 | Poisson_Pilote | LeGreffi3R, well I'll explain: I'm using a laptop, and there are these special buttons that launch email, etc on Win XP - I want to see how they are handled |
| 16:41.43 | LeGreffi3R | Poisson_Pilote> in gnome? |
| 16:41.48 | Poisson_Pilote | LeGreffi3R, yes |
| 16:41.49 | LeGreffi3R | Poisson_Pilote> or in general? |
| 16:42.05 | Poisson_Pilote | LeGreffi3R, well any would interest me as a matter of fact |
| 16:42.10 | \amethyst | Bushmills: but date +%s always uses UTC, which is why you have to add 3600 even if you match their timezone |
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| 16:42.19 | CalJohn | Poisson_Pilote: that is an awesome nick |
| 16:42.35 | LeGreffi3R | Poisson_Pilote> did you try the Preference > Raccourcis Clavier |
| 16:42.46 | LeGreffi3R | (i guess your gnome is in french) |
| 16:42.48 | Poisson_Pilote | CalJohn, thanks ^^ |
| 16:42.52 | Poisson_Pilote | LeGreffi3R, nope, in english |
| 16:43.01 | Poisson_Pilote | LeGreffi3R, why would you guess that ? :D |
| 16:43.04 | Robak | Maybe something like keybind can help you |
| 16:43.08 | LeGreffi3R | must be keyboard shortcuts |
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| 16:43.20 | LeGreffi3R | this is all about the nick :) |
| 16:43.39 | tymonn | Eulex: damn this is just fucked up :x i need alsa-base, alsa-utils |
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| 16:43.43 | tymonn | and what else :( |
| 16:43.46 | Robak | You can define any action using hex stamp of this button |
| 16:43.46 | Poisson_Pilote | LeGreffi3R, I was born in France and live in France right now, but I grew up in the states ;) |
| 16:43.51 | Eulex | tymonn, your linux-image package. |
| 16:44.06 | Poisson_Pilote | LeGreffi3R, keyboard shortcuts doesn't recognize these little keys, I'll try with keybind though, thanks Robak |
| 16:44.44 | tymonn | Eulex: hows that? |
| 16:44.50 | LeGreffi3R | Poisson_Pilote> this work with mine :/ |
| 16:44.54 | tymonn | Eulex: really really sorry :X i am a BIG noob |
| 16:45.22 | Eulex | tymonn, I don't know, I don't know what kernel your running, but dpkg -l|grep linux-image usually gives clues. |
| 16:45.29 | Poisson_Pilote | LeGreffi3R, weird - I guess you haven't installed any special package ? |
| 16:45.38 | LeGreffi3R | Poisson_Pilote> no |
| 16:45.53 | LeGreffi3R | Poisson_Pilote> this is all in gnome |
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| 16:46.14 | Poisson_Pilote | LeGreffi3R, weird. |
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| 16:46.20 | tymonn | Eulex: |
| 16:46.22 | tymonn | ii linux-image-2.6-686 2.6.24+13 Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 16:46.31 | \amethyst | dbmoodb: itime () { echo "$(( (($(date +%s -d "${1:-now}")%86400 + 3600)*1000)/864 ))" | sed 's/[[:digit:]]\{2\}$/.&/'; } |
| 16:46.36 | tymonn | ii linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1 Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/ |
| 16:46.45 | tymonn | ii linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 2.6.24-6 Linux 2.6.24 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/ |
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| 16:47.42 | Eulex | tymonn, that is, you've got two kernel versions installed. but why are you running sid if you're a "noob"? |
| 16:48.02 | Robak | maybe type in your terminal: uname -r |
| 16:48.02 | tymonn | :P not THAT noob, but in some things i am noob |
| 16:48.04 | cast | irony. because hes a newb! |
| 16:48.09 | tymonn | LOL |
| 16:48.13 | tymonn | good point cast xD |
| 16:48.44 | tymonn | uname -r -----> 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 16:48.45 | Eulex | tymonn, what exactly did you do to your system? |
| 16:49.05 | tymonn | i have no sound now, and ive already reinstalled alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 16:49.26 | Robak | did ypu use modconf to configure modules? |
| 16:49.48 | Eulex | tymonn, those are not the critical components that need to be reinstalled. the linux image package (with the modules) is. |
| 16:50.13 | Eulex | tymonn, but right now I am just guessing, as you haven't specified what you did to break it. |
| 16:50.27 | tymonn | i runned the HDA drivers |
| 16:50.29 | tymonn | the official ones |
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| 16:50.40 | tymonn | i think they overwrited my ALSA ones |
| 16:50.44 | Eulex | official? |
| 16:50.49 | tymonn | from the realtek site |
| 16:50.54 | themill | ewww! |
| 16:51.04 | Robak | I also update the kernel version (using deb package) but i didn't have to reinstall any modules once again It's strange that you don;t have sounds |
| 16:51.11 | Eulex | tymonn, well, for what linux kernel version were they made for? |
| 16:51.11 | tymonn | and it said "this may turn ur system into a wild jungle" i clicked yes |
| 16:52.15 | tymonn | yarrrrr i dont know :/ |
| 16:52.20 | tymonn | it was 2.x |
| 16:52.28 | tymonn | i guessed it was ok |
| 16:52.44 | Eulex | tymonn, ... all are, if you don't happen to have a really, really, REALLY ancient one :) |
| 16:53.03 | tymonn | hehe :) |
| 16:53.42 | tymonn | my system dont recognized "modprob" |
| 16:53.52 | tymonn | this is bad right :O |
| 16:53.58 | Eulex | that is, all kernels from recent years are 2.x |
| 16:54.05 | Eulex | tymonn, 'modprobe' |
| 16:54.24 | tymonn | Couldn't find package modprobe |
| 16:54.28 | dvs | mobprod? ;-) |
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| 16:54.36 | tymonn | ups its there :) |
| 16:54.37 | tymonn | ur right |
| 16:54.39 | Robak | modprobe ;) |
| 16:54.44 | tymonn | :) thanks |
| 16:55.13 | Robak | and when you listing all modules using lsmod | grep 'alsa |
| 16:55.22 | Robak | is there alsa driver ? |
| 16:55.30 | tymonn | nothing returns :O |
| 16:55.34 | dvs | Robak: it's called "snd" |
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| 16:55.39 | cahoot | lsmod|grep snd rather |
| 16:55.41 | dvs | well, "snd*" |
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| 16:55.59 | dvs | tymonn: that's good! |
| 16:56.04 | Eulex | tymonn, every command does not have its own package. with this level of knowledge you've demonstrated for us, I would really suggest not using sid. all I can tell you for now is to reinstall the 2.6.24 kernel package. |
| 16:56.07 | n-iCe | 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 is debian? |
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| 16:56.35 | tymonn | i've been using lenny for some time |
| 16:56.44 | dvs | They have that? I wish they would make that an official release. |
| 16:56.44 | tymonn | but my graphic card doesnt get along with it |
| 16:56.47 | tymonn | so i am using sid |
| 16:57.17 | dvs | bad move. I would have stuck with lenny. |
| 16:57.20 | Eulex | dvs, http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
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| 16:57.26 | themill | n-iCe: yes. It's not quite released yet though, but available for testing from etch-proposed-updates. /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 16:57.47 | n-iCe | themill, when I send uname -r I got that :| |
| 16:57.49 | Eulex | "When will it be shipped The current plan for etch and a half is to release as part of a point release (4.0r4)." |
| 16:58.06 | dvs | nice |
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| 16:58.21 | n-iCe | themill, do you know how can I install this? 01:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01) |
| 16:58.22 | dvs | start buying new hardware for his server. |
| 16:58.29 | themill | n-iCe: that's not necessarily a problem... it just means you're using a testing kernel. |
| 16:59.08 | dvs | If Debian releases Etch-n-a-half, they can put off lenny for a bit longer. |
| 16:59.16 | themill | n-iCe: ask the channel not just me. that looks like a b43 or bcm43xx chip. /msg dpkg bcm43 /msg dpkg b43 |
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| 16:59.30 | themill | erm bcm43xx |
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| 17:05.06 | dvs | !moo |
| 17:05.06 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 17:10.24 | LimCore | how to get debian source package for http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/sshfs ? |
| 17:10.39 | LimCore | oh ok n |
| 17:10.40 | LimCore | nm |
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| 17:11.41 | kanzure | What is aptitude doing with its 30,000 lines of code? |
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| 17:12.43 | xingu | kanzure: becoming self aware |
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| 17:13.14 | kanzure | xingu: of the terrible mess it's in? |
| 17:13.28 | themill | kanzure: feel free to send patches that reduce it's size and fix up any mess you see. |
| 17:13.29 | xingu | kanzure: yeah; that's what tipped skynet over the edge too I hear |
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| 17:14.20 | kanzure | themill: Of course. I'm just asking around. I was looking at, ah, Daniel Burrow's site where I saw the linecount cite. |
| 17:14.50 | Nyle | what |
| 17:14.52 | Nyle | skynet? |
| 17:14.55 | dvs | yikes! |
| 17:14.57 | Nyle | what the hell |
| 17:15.10 | Nyle | why are you talking about... oh I see. nm |
| 17:15.10 | dvs | Nyle: relax, that isn't for another three years. ;-) |
| 17:15.16 | Nyle | dvs, hahaha |
| 17:15.36 | Nyle | dvs, as I recall it, it was supposed to happen in july or aug 1997 |
| 17:15.42 | xingu | august |
| 17:15.46 | dvs | 2011 |
| 17:15.52 | Nyle | where do you get 2011 |
| 17:15.54 | xingu | I went to a hell of a party to celebrate it |
| 17:15.58 | Nyle | 2012 is the last mayan year |
| 17:15.59 | Nyle | sure |
| 17:16.02 | Nyle | but thats 12, not 11 |
| 17:16.11 | dvs | Nyle: From the TV series |
| 17:16.11 | Nyle | and thats just a calendar system |
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| 17:16.25 | Nyle | oh |
| 17:16.33 | Nyle | i don't watch tv |
| 17:16.38 | dvs | And I think from the third movie |
| 17:16.41 | Nyle | i told myself i am done smoking pot |
| 17:16.44 | Nyle | but come on man |
| 17:16.46 | Nyle | its 4/20 today |
| 17:16.55 | dvs | but it's not 4:20 yet. |
| 17:16.57 | Nyle | lights up first time in about a month |
| 17:17.02 | Nyle | dvs, don't matter |
| 17:17.04 | hooya | but pass it on the left.. |
| 17:17.07 | amphi | Nyle: what's the significance of that? |
| 17:17.07 | Nyle | today we smoke all day long |
| 17:17.09 | xingu | Nyle: it's 20/4 here |
| 17:17.11 | jelly-home | /nick stoneded |
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| 17:17.30 | Nyle | amphi, International Pot Fest on aprial 20th |
| 17:17.42 | Nyle | its an unofficial stoner holiday |
| 17:17.55 | dvs | amphi: apparently, some high school students in the 70s used to light up afterschool everyday at 4:20pm |
| 17:17.58 | Nyle | but thats it though, im just gonna party today, thats it |
| 17:17.59 | hooya | to a stoner, everyday is a holiday :) |
| 17:18.03 | amphi | Nyle: ah |
| 17:18.15 | amphi | dvs: I see, thanks |
| 17:18.18 | dvs | np |
| 17:18.20 | hooya | 4/20 was police code for pot activity |
| 17:18.27 | Nyle | umm |
| 17:18.31 | Nyle | actually its 4:20 am |
| 17:18.34 | Nyle | not pm |
| 17:18.37 | Nyle | it was never pm |
| 17:18.42 | Nyle | because thats 16:20 |
| 17:18.45 | dvs | but it was afterschool |
| 17:18.46 | Nyle | not 4:20 |
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| 17:18.55 | Nyle | thats probably a story but not what originated it |
| 17:19.02 | Nyle | I don't think anyone knows where 4/20 came from |
| 17:19.09 | Nyle | there are too many stories about how |
| 17:19.19 | dvs | coughs and weezes |
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| 17:19.47 | Nyle | but |
| 17:19.56 | Nyle | see the AI in our age |
| 17:20.03 | Nyle | it goes back to a fundamental question |
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| 17:20.10 | Nyle | a one that is philosophical and very hard to answer |
| 17:20.17 | Nyle | what is self awareness |
| 17:20.23 | Nyle | what does it mean to be self aware? |
| 17:20.30 | Nyle | do WE know who WE are? |
| 17:20.32 | hooya | anyhow,, i'm looking to make backups of my workstation. have two external usb drives to hold the backups. have one internal drive that i want to make backups of. suggestions? |
| 17:20.40 | Nyle | if we don't know that, how can we make something else self aware? |
| 17:20.53 | themill | hooya: rsnapshot is good |
| 17:21.01 | Nyle | hooya, depending on what you are backing up |
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| 17:21.22 | hooya | Nyle: use python. you'll be aware of 'self' pretty quickly ;) |
| 17:22.05 | Nyle | hm |
| 17:22.06 | Nyle | tokens |
| 17:22.11 | Nyle | lots of video game arcade tokens |
| 17:22.14 | Nyle | enjoy |
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| 17:23.55 | hooya | Nyle: pictures.. some documents.. what have you.. just a typical linux box that i've been using as my home machine. i'd like to be able to get close to bare metal recovery as possible. i figured i'd do two (types of) backups on the two external drives i have. one for bare metal recovery. another for easy incremental backups so that i can just copy files over if i needed to restore... ideas? |
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| 17:25.10 | Hungmanmoojoo | is themill here still? |
| 17:25.12 | Nyle | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/backuptools.htm |
| 17:25.21 | Nyle | hooya, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/backuptools.htm might have some insight |
| 17:25.28 | hoxu | Hungmanmoojoo, no, he's busy burying a corpse |
| 17:26.07 | Hungmanmoojoo | how do i check deps for a downloaded .deb package? |
| 17:26.33 | Nyle | hooya, http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-backup.html |
| 17:26.41 | Nyle | !backup |
| 17:26.41 | dpkg | i guess backup is something you should do *ALWAYS*... if you value your sh*t even in the least. Otherwise eons of buildup and data can go BYE BYE FOREVER one day if you do not backup, either by HD malfunction or by intentional evil by crackers or by mischivious glak elves that invade your system. Or even by large magnets that get out of hand. Pay the dollars for a tape system or CDR and use <tar> (plus optionally bzip2 at lowest compression), or <lolcat1> |
| 17:26.41 | hoxu | Hungmanmoojoo, dpkg -I maybe |
| 17:26.47 | Eulex | if you downloaded it from packages.debian.org, the page where you downloaded it from says so. |
| 17:26.52 | hooya | Nyle: i was just looking at that.. |
| 17:27.34 | Nyle | debian has good documentation |
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| 17:27.41 | Nyle | just need to know where to look for it |
| 17:27.58 | Nyle | and not eat a entire footlong sub and a bag of sunchips and 3 giants cans of juice |
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| 17:28.08 | hooya | the conclusion that i've reached is that i needs two systems. one for bare metal recovery and an incremental backup.. picking one is hard. |
| 17:28.10 | Nyle | i fyou go to sleep right after you do that, you WILL wake up with a heartburn |
| 17:28.11 | Nyle | trust me |
| 17:28.22 | Nyle | I'm not sure wtf bare metal is |
| 17:28.32 | Nyle | what does that mean? |
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| 17:28.43 | amphi | Nyle: with the velvet glove removed |
| 17:28.47 | blackgoth | I have a iptable question: im forwarding a port (ftp) to a internal box, i want certain ip's to access it and the rest needs to be rejected, i tried this: http://pastebin.geekshangout.org/107/ but it isnt working. any ideas? |
| 17:28.48 | hooya | it's nakkid metal. quite sexy :) |
| 17:28.51 | grand_grunt | Hi there.. I'm trying to fix a CUPS issue with a Epson printer, and can't understand where it comes from |
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| 17:29.05 | hoxu | bare metal recovery usually refers to being able to restore a system from scratch quickly |
| 17:29.17 | Nyle | hoxu, ghosted images. |
| 17:29.36 | hooya | close.. |
| 17:29.38 | Nyle | keep an external drive handy |
| 17:29.45 | Nyle | with the images you need |
| 17:29.54 | Nyle | hook up through usb, boot from a cd, restore image to hdd |
| 17:29.57 | hooya | but how do i make those images? |
| 17:30.10 | Nyle | you could use a few diff software |
| 17:30.17 | hooya | i have the external drives... |
| 17:30.17 | Nyle | i know there are norton ghost clone types in oss |
| 17:30.28 | dvs | partimage |
| 17:30.29 | Nyle | give me a minute to search |
| 17:30.37 | Nyle | or actually i need to smoke mor |
| 17:30.41 | Nyle | but yo uknow what to look for now |
| 17:30.49 | dvs | no, you need a minute. ;-) |
| 17:30.53 | hooya | i think mondo or mindy or something did something like that.. it was even self booting or something.. |
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| 17:31.12 | Nyle | I use xpress recovery that came with my gigaybe mobo |
| 17:31.23 | blackgoth | I have a iptable question: im forwarding a port (ftp) to a internal box, i want certain ip's to access it and the rest needs to be rejected, i tried this: http://pastebin.geekshangout.org/107/ but it isnt working. any ideas? |
| 17:31.26 | Nyle | i use nortom ghost 8 too from the hiren boot cd |
| 17:31.41 | Nyle | i have images for almost every os made for pc |
| 17:31.54 | Nyle | i don't have open solaris though |
| 17:32.20 | grand_grunt | When I try to print a test page on an Epson, the task starts immediatly as "job-stopped". Where could it come from? |
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| 17:32.52 | mirrorcolor | what is the init number for multi users without X in debian? |
| 17:33.00 | n-iCe | HOw can I install the bcm43xx module ????? |
| 17:33.01 | Nyle | mirrorcolor, there is none |
| 17:33.09 | Nyle | mirrorcolor, try 1 or 2-5 |
| 17:33.19 | Nyle | !runlevels |
| 17:33.19 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 17:33.22 | hooya | blackgoth: on line 3, it seems you're missing a $ in front of IP. or was that intentional? |
| 17:33.35 | blackgoth | intentional |
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| 17:33.51 | blackgoth | IP is the source ip from the connecting side |
| 17:33.56 | mirrorcolor | Nyle, 1 is single user! |
| 17:34.04 | Nyle | that is correct |
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| 17:35.34 | enouf | i still have all ttys though when i telinit 1 |
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| 17:36.14 | scout | anyone good out creating routes? I have a dual WAN setup http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html like that link, but it doesn't appear to route traffic back on the interface it came from. Anyone available to help? |
| 17:36.24 | hooya | blackgoth: it's hard to figure out what your network layout looks like. most of the time, you want to use REJECT/DROP as the default. then write the allow rules. what may be happening here is that line 1 may have matched and therefore never got to the rule in line 3. try logging.. |
| 17:37.06 | n-iCe | how is debian with the broadcom wireless cards? |
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| 17:37.17 | blackgoth | iptables is like a waterfall, so a DENY and ALLOW beneath it should just work hooya |
| 17:37.52 | enouf | mirrorcolor: make 3 (and 4 or 5) your own, customize it, if that's what you want |
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| 17:38.07 | hooya | blackgoth: well then you know what you are doing... :) |
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| 17:38.32 | n-iCe | how is debian with the broadcom wireless cards? |
| 17:38.44 | hoxu | n-iCe, thanks for repeating, we saw it the first time |
| 17:38.49 | blackgoth | yeah, but i cant get this working hooya, because i never tried to allow certain ip's in a natted enviroment |
| 17:38.56 | mirrorcolor | enouf, thanks :) |
| 17:39.09 | blackgoth | thats the reason why im seeking help, tadaah |
| 17:39.23 | n-iCe | hoxu, do you know? |
| 17:39.27 | vjoe | bye |
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| 17:39.49 | hoxu | n-iCe, if you aren't getting any answers your question may be too vague or no one knows the answer. |
| 17:39.49 | enouf | mirrorcolor: np |
| 17:39.52 | bulbulred | how do i restart the inetd ? |
| 17:39.55 | enouf | mirrorcolor: also check out http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 |
| 17:39.56 | bulbulred | on debian etch 4 |
| 17:40.15 | enouf | use /etc/init.d/*inetd* restart |
| 17:40.18 | dvs | bulbulred: invoke-rc.d inetd restart |
| 17:40.21 | rgr | can anyone tell me why I dont have a /dev/dsp? I have to create it manually. nearly all audio and video devices expect a /dev/dsp but I only have a /dev/dsp1. Whats going on? |
| 17:40.26 | xingu | scout: grep IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES /boot/config-`uname -r` ? |
| 17:40.32 | enouf | it's iikley openbsd-inetd |
| 17:40.43 | enouf | er openssh .. or something |
| 17:41.21 | enouf | rgr: bet you have an /dev/adsp :-) |
| 17:41.28 | bulbulred | thx enouf, |
| 17:41.29 | enouf | rgr: install alsa-oss |
| 17:42.08 | scout | xingu: =yes :) |
| 17:42.45 | scout | xingu, the outbound seems to work great. but when traffic comes in from the non-default gw i believe it is trying to pass it back out the default gw? |
| 17:42.48 | enouf | also /dev/audio kind of works too ;-) ~$ lshal | grep linux.device_file shows some intersting things ;-) |
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| 17:43.26 | scout | according to http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html i need to have ip rule add from $IP1 table T1 |
| 17:43.26 | scout | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.40 | scout | $IP1 and 2 is the IP of the router's interfaces |
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| 17:43.57 | scout | any ideas would be appreciated i dont mind going and researching |
| 17:44.02 | enouf | scout: the kernel has no =yes |
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| 17:44.21 | scout | enouf: CONFIG_IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES=y |
| 17:44.26 | enouf | better ;-) |
| 17:44.30 | poseidon | How can I check if debian has out-of-the-box support for my wireless adapter? |
| 17:44.31 | scout | sorry :P |
| 17:44.34 | enouf | ok then |
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| 17:45.03 | enouf | hang in there |
| 17:45.09 | xingu | scout: the example only covers traffic addressed _to_ each of $IP1, $IP2 |
| 17:45.24 | dvs | poseidon: knoppix? |
| 17:45.27 | dvs | ducks |
| 17:45.32 | xingu | scout: is that what you're testing? |
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| 17:45.55 | poseidon | dvs, if my adapter works in knoppix, it will work in debian? |
| 17:45.58 | enouf | poseidon: which chipset is it? |
| 17:46.06 | poseidon | rt2x00 |
| 17:46.11 | dvs | poseidon: not 100% but a good chance |
| 17:46.14 | enouf | !rt2x00 |
| 17:46.14 | dpkg | The rt2x00 project (http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/) provides next-generation drivers (rt2x00) for the <Ralink> rt2400, rt2500, rt2570, rt61 and rt73 chipsets. Packaged in Debian as 'rt2x00-source'. Read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Also ask about <ralink firmware>. |
| 17:46.17 | poseidon | It needs the rt73 driver |
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| 17:46.31 | dvs | !rt73 |
| 17:46.31 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2573/RT2671 (rt73) is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT73_Linux_STA_Drv1.0.4.0.tar.gz. Enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt73-cvs-daily.tar.gz (the required 'rt73.bin' firmware file is included). Also ask me about <rt2x00>. |
| 17:46.51 | dvs | same answer |
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| 17:47.28 | scout | xingu, my setup is sliightly different. instead of each interface directly connected to the ISP, it is connected to a firewall for each ISP. outbound is fine (goes out on default gw), incoming is fine only on the default gw (i can connect to the web server which is a forwarded port for example). i just can't connect to any of the forwarded ports/services of the non-default gw |
| 17:47.32 | enouf | someone in ##linux wrote some kind of "installer" for ubuntu http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=757607 |
| 17:47.39 | scout | so it doesn't seem to care about which interface it came in on? |
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| 17:48.31 | enouf | and rt2x00 is not rt73, lmao |
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| 17:50.06 | xingu | scout: your analysis is correct, if the traffic is not addressed to the IP address attached to your non-default interface, it will indeed route the reply traffic half-flow out via the default. |
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| 17:50.10 | scout | i am also not doing any masquerading at the router, only at the firewalls connected to the ISPs |
| 17:50.40 | xingu | scout: which I'd imagine will get killed by your firewall (it'll see SYN+ACK without a preceeding SYN) |
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| 17:51.00 | scout | xingu, the docs in that link suggests that it should track which interface the traffic came in on and route it back out that interface? |
| 17:51.12 | xingu | scout: the only interesting test-case is for traffic addressed to your box's own interface addresses |
| 17:51.22 | rgr | enouf : I do have an adsp but nothing works when I point apps to it for some reason. |
| 17:51.36 | xingu | scout: because _that_ (the source address of the reply flow-half) is what's being used as the route selector |
| 17:51.46 | scout | xingu, ah i can find a way to test that. see if the router is is sending it back on the same interface. |
| 17:51.51 | enouf | rgr: you should have and be using alsa, and point your apps to "default" |
| 17:51.57 | xingu | scout: yes |
| 17:52.04 | enouf | rgr: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 17:52.17 | scout | xingu, and if i get responses then it is possibly the firewall (watchguard /puke) that is not tracking the connection? |
| 17:52.32 | xingu | scout: watchgard == linux - and yes. |
| 17:52.51 | xingu | scout: it's an abomination of a design, shoot whoever came up with it |
| 17:52.58 | enouf | you people sure as heck can type wocked fast man - your're bugging me out!@ |
| 17:52.59 | scout | xingu, if i could get past the GUI interface i'm sure i'd like it more, but i'm replacing them all with pfsense boxes, so much more friendly |
| 17:52.59 | xingu | scout: then introduce them to BGP and ISIS |
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| 17:53.16 | scout | xingu, haha thanks bud i appreciate the help, let me go test and get back to you :) |
| 17:53.29 | scout | enouf, lol |
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| 17:54.12 | vjoe | hey |
| 17:54.17 | xingu | scout: you realise that once you nail up your RIB like that, that traffic is going to go exactly where you tell it to, come hell or high water? |
| 17:54.36 | xingu | scout: ie, if ISP1 develops a fault, your traffic addressed to that leg will blackhole |
| 17:54.59 | scout | xingu, not sure i follow. |
| 17:55.11 | rgr | enouf: I received nothing from that msg thing you did there. |
| 17:55.14 | scout | xingu, because it will be default? |
| 17:55.18 | xingu | scout: put my last comment on a postit note and revisit in a year |
| 17:55.21 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 17:55.21 | dpkg | somebody said alsa-checklist was 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group (log out and log again in) 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 17:55.47 | enouf | !tell rgr -about msg the bot |
| 17:55.58 | dvs | what's the point of logging out and in again as root? |
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| 17:57.20 | scout | xingu, lol oh geez that sounds like trouble. well eventually we'll move to one ISP and our provider will be the one responsible for fault tolerance. we just got 10mb fiber in this week. at the same time getting watchguard to have a stable ipsec connection with pfsense is like wrangling cats. so i am keeping the old ISP up (with the watchguard) and putting pfsense boxes on the fiber. then i will go to each branch and remove the old vpn (watchguards goin |
| 17:57.20 | scout | g to watchguard on old ISP) and put in pfsense to the new ISP. then i can get rid of old ISP and watchguards altogether. sound solid? |
| 17:57.28 | rgr | what has OSS got to do with alsa? It seems a bit of a mess. |
| 17:57.32 | enouf | omg novels! |
| 17:57.36 | enouf | :-) |
| 17:57.44 | Souto | is away -> <- Page [OFF] Log [ON] |
| 17:57.46 | Souto | is away -> <- Page [OFF] Log [ON] |
| 17:57.48 | Souto | is away -> <- Page [OFF] Log [ON] |
| 17:57.50 | dvs | rgr: alsa has an OSS compatibility mode |
| 17:57.55 | scout | enouf, sorry should warned incoming wall of text |
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| 17:58.01 | enouf | nice one Souto |
| 17:58.07 | xingu | scout: the right solution here involves some nonportable transit addressing (supplied by your providers) for each of the two legs; ISIS on each of the two legs to redistribute your control plane routes (your IGP); and a BGP route-reflector design as your EGP |
| 17:58.13 | enouf | scout: not an issue , really |
| 17:58.32 | enouf | scout: so long as there's not many \n .. it's cool |
| 17:58.38 | enouf | and not constant pastes |
| 17:58.47 | scout | xingu, i'm creating a txt file with what youa re saying so i can first figure out what you mean and 2nd figure out what i need to do =P |
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| 17:59.10 | xingu | scout: you'll need portable addressing to make it work; once it's lit, you'll be advertising your PI allocation, as well as in control over which path you select outward |
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| 18:00.05 | scout | xingu, i got ya. even though i'm NAT'ing at the firewalls? |
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| 18:01.29 | xingu | scout: but between then and now you'll do it on the cheap per howto; you'll then realise that you have to implement NAT on the dualhomed gateway; then you'll realise that interfering with the data plane creates fate-sharing (you'll realise this the first time the dual-homed system goes down carrying a full production load) |
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| 18:02.14 | xingu | scout: then you'll try to implement state-sharing; and finally you'll come to the realisation that stateless design (leaving the data plane the hell alone) is a feature not a bug |
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| 18:03.06 | xingu | scout: hopefully by that stage your revenues will allow you to go back to what I said earlier - transit nonportable allocation, IGP built over the top of it, EGP built over the top of that |
| 18:03.16 | scout | xingu, i'm listening. this has been a crash course weekend for me. at my skill level do you have a suggestion for what i can wrap up this weekend then revisit over the next few weeks? |
| 18:03.36 | xingu | scout: nope; it's a vertical learning curve, there's no shortcuts |
| 18:03.36 | scout | xingu, ok so that last statement is my ultimate goal |
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| 18:04.19 | enouf | xingu: but how come your circles have angles? :-P |
| 18:04.24 | scout | xingu, haha well that is fine by me i have had a blast (even under a lot of pressure for the suits) this weekend and went home to tell the lady (poor soul) about what i've learned this weekend |
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| 18:05.27 | Gektor | fucking debian |
| 18:06.03 | Gektor | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 18:06.19 | scout | gektor, whats the problem? |
| 18:06.31 | Gektor | I want to be banned |
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| 18:06.36 | Gektor | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 18:06.47 | enouf | scout: it's not behaving like windows ;-) |
| 18:07.06 | scout | enouf, haha working as intended i'm sure =P |
| 18:07.13 | amphi | what a tard |
| 18:07.18 | Gektor | ban me |
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| 18:07.25 | Gektor | fucking noobs |
| 18:07.40 | enouf | amphi: hehe, i almost forgot - it's ____'sday ;-) |
| 18:07.46 | amphi | enouf: heh |
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| 18:08.06 | amphi | I'd forgotten comletely |
| 18:08.13 | Gektor | upyachka.ru |
| 18:08.16 | hooya | what day? |
| 18:08.17 | Gektor | enjoy |
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| 18:09.01 | amphi | !sunday |
| 18:09.01 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 18:09.05 | enouf | hooya: insert <any denegrating term> here ;-) |
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| 18:09.57 | xingu | scout: this may interest you at some stage: http://people.netfilter.org/pablo/conntrackd/testcase.html |
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| 18:10.36 | scout | xingu, awesome! bookmarked :) |
| 18:11.09 | xingu | scout: current uri is http://conntrack-tools.netfilter.org/ |
| 18:11.26 | Gektor | fuck fuck fuck |
| 18:11.31 | Gektor | debian sucks |
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| 18:12.24 | dvs | ha! |
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| 18:15.10 | Gektor | Ñа блÑ. забанÑÑе Ð¼ÐµÐ½Ñ |
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| 18:16.09 | Gektor | Ð³Ð°Ð½Ð´Ð¾Ð½Ñ |
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| 18:16.54 | format_c | english spoken here!! |
| 18:17.04 | Gektor | ban me than |
| 18:17.09 | Gektor | ban me!! |
| 18:17.10 | Gektor | fuck |
| 18:17.20 | scout_ | xingu, ok i setup another laptop and gave it an address in the network that is between the non-default gw and the router. i can ping inside the network so looks like it is the watchguard? the pfsense firewall seems to track the connections ok. i will double check by forwarding a port when it is not the default gw and seeing if i can access it from the inet |
| 18:17.51 | rgr | I get Error "Not on the same file system" while deleting "/home/sham...n Hur.divx" when I try to delete a shortcut from my other xscreen on my tv. Any ideas? |
| 18:18.27 | enouf | shortcut? |
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| 18:18.39 | rgr | enouf: ok, link ... |
| 18:18.53 | enouf | what kind of link? |
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| 18:19.00 | rgr | a shortcut .... |
| 18:19.02 | fules67 | sziasztok |
| 18:19.05 | rgr | to another file. |
| 18:19.07 | enouf | fail |
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| 18:19.16 | enouf | hard or soft |
| 18:19.38 | mutable | hello. please, how can i list all installed packages that i installed by myself (no packages that was installed as dependencies) ? |
| 18:19.43 | rmercado | can i set devian to use a time server for system time? |
| 18:19.58 | rgr | whatever sort nautilus creates when you do ctl-shift when you drop |
| 18:20.01 | enouf | likely some nfs or cifs or smbfs crap |
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| 18:20.11 | xingu | rmercado: ntp |
| 18:20.22 | rmercado | yes |
| 18:20.52 | rmercado | i guess... how do I setup ntp? |
| 18:21.07 | xingu | rmercado: install the package, have a look at the default config |
| 18:21.10 | rgr | enouf: looking at the Desktop directory it looks like a normal symbolic link |
| 18:21.34 | rmercado | ok.. thanks |
| 18:21.34 | scout_ | xingu, pfsense box works fine when it is not the default gw |
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| 18:21.50 | scout_ | brb |
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| 18:22.08 | rgr | enouf: I deleted it in dired in emacs ok. Just trying to delete it from the second desktop itself fails.# |
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| 18:24.03 | becks` | hi, where does cron log to? |
| 18:24.17 | becks` | i can't see cron entries in /var/log/messages |
| 18:24.18 | Gektor | fuck |
| 18:24.19 | Gektor | fuck |
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| 18:24.31 | Gektor | fuck |
| 18:24.35 | Gektor | fuck |
| 18:24.37 | Gektor | fuck |
| 18:24.39 | Gektor | fuck fuck |
| 18:24.43 | Gektor | fuck fuck fuck |
| 18:24.45 | Gektor | fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 18:24.47 | Gektor | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 18:24.49 | Gektor | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 18:24.51 | Gektor | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 18:24.53 | Gektor | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 18:24.53 | jetscreamer | !ops Gektor ... fuck him |
| 18:24.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetscreamer complains about: Gektor ... fuck him |
| 18:24.55 | Gektor | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck |
| 18:24.57 | Gektor | fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck |
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| 18:25.01 | tux_dood | what the heck |
| 18:25.02 | rgr | ? |
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| 18:25.10 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 18:25.25 | Maulkin | Bah. |
| 18:25.28 | bozordzh | =D |
| 18:25.49 | tux_dood | can't wait for ubuntu 8.04 :) |
| 18:25.49 | becks` | what about free speech?! |
| 18:26.04 | jetscreamer | you're free to speak |
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| 18:26.15 | g00se | Was surprised to see at not included in the base packages |
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| 18:26.21 | becks` | ;) |
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| 18:26.23 | rgr | Is anyone aware of any figures indicating roughly how many Debian Desktop users there are? Whenever I try anything even remotely "multimedia" it seems to be broken or inadequate. It can not just be me being unlucky I'm sure. |
| 18:26.39 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia |
| 18:26.39 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 18:27.22 | jetscreamer | !find at |
| 18:27.23 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'at' (15 of 1581): a7xpg-data ;; aatv ;; abe-data ;; adanaxisgpl-data ;; adonthell-data ;; aggregate ;; akregator ;; alex4-data ;; alien-arena-data ;; alienblaster-data ;; allegro-demo-data ;; amaterus ;; amavis-stats ;; amaya-data ;; amoeba-data. |
| 18:27.30 | jetscreamer | oops |
| 18:27.39 | jetscreamer | i knew that sucked as i hit enter :( |
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| 18:28.16 | enouf | "multimedia" implies connotations of DRM, Crapware, Spyware, DMCA, TCPA, HDCP, Proprietary Poopware, fools ,idiots and bozos ;-) |
| 18:28.31 | tux_dood | lol |
| 18:28.31 | enouf | did i leave anyone out? oh yeah, MPAA and RIAA :-p |
| 18:28.35 | becks` | nobody knows where cron logs to? |
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| 18:29.06 | jetscreamer | /var/log ? |
| 18:29.12 | enouf | did you ask? |
| 18:29.24 | enouf | which cron? |
| 18:29.24 | becks` | jetscreamer and which file? :) |
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| 18:29.38 | jetscreamer | at is standard, but might not get installed until you do apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:29.40 | becks` | well i have a cron entry that doesn't work.. and i'd like to know what's wrong |
| 18:29.53 | jetscreamer | i don't know never needed to look |
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| 18:30.34 | scout | xingu, i was wrong, pfsense does not allow me to connect to forwarded ports when it is not the default gw :( |
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| 18:30.47 | enouf | ~$ find /var -name '*cron*' is one way to find out |
| 18:30.47 | apt | okay, enouf |
| 18:31.01 | jetscreamer | aha |
| 18:31.01 | enouf | bah |
| 18:31.16 | jetscreamer | ~forget $ find /var -name '*cron*' |
| 18:31.16 | apt | i forgot $ find /var -name '*cron*', jetscreamer |
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| 18:31.30 | jetscreamer | unless you meant to do that |
| 18:31.36 | g00se | jetscreamer: you mean it's only just *become* standard? |
| 18:31.37 | enouf | jakub_: was trying to figure out what exactly it would be named ;-) |
| 18:31.40 | enouf | erm jetscreamer |
| 18:31.45 | jakub_ | ? |
| 18:31.51 | enouf | no, i did not ;-P |
| 18:31.53 | jakub_ | hehm ? |
| 18:31.55 | jetscreamer | k |
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| 18:32.05 | jetscreamer | jakub: his tabcompletion-fu is off today |
| 18:32.07 | jakub_ | who said my name |
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| 18:32.11 | jetscreamer | i didn't |
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| 18:32.17 | enouf | jakub_: chill |
| 18:32.21 | jakub_ | who want sth from me ? |
| 18:32.34 | enouf | yeah, go ___ yourself :-P |
| 18:32.36 | jetscreamer | !info at etch |
| 18:32.40 | dpkg | at: (Delayed job execution and batch processing), section admin, is standard. Version: 3.1.10 (etch), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 128 kB |
| 18:32.41 | enouf | no, it was a bad tab |
| 18:32.48 | jetscreamer | looks standard to me |
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| 18:33.10 | magthe | pbuilder question: how do I permanently change the base image to use sid instead of etch? (I used etch during create since debootstrap on sid failed) |
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| 18:33.19 | jetscreamer | but on an install, a lot of stuff doesn't get installed till you dist-upgrade (afaict ymmv et al) |
| 18:34.05 | g00se | jetscreamer: Well i've just had to install it. I quickly uninstalled it when i found it depends on mail stuff called courier |
| 18:34.20 | jetscreamer | !depends at |
| 18:34.22 | dpkg | at: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), lsb-base (>= 3.0-10), mail-transport-agent |
| 18:34.34 | enouf | MTA, not courier, per se |
| 18:34.39 | scout | xingu: this appears tobe the status when i try to ssh to a forwarded port on pfsense: SYN_SENT:CLOSED |
| 18:34.47 | enouf | you forgot to install exim4 :-P |
| 18:35.07 | jetscreamer | exim4 would get installed when you did apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:35.10 | g00se | jetscreamer: something odd here |
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| 18:35.25 | jetscreamer | make that aptitude dist-upgrade... and try it |
| 18:35.28 | enouf | it should get installed per default, IINM |
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| 18:36.20 | g00se | jetscreamer: haven't done dist-upgrade for a while. Can you -s it? |
| 18:36.26 | enouf | yep |
| 18:36.29 | grand_grunt | lol. Got a strange issue with Xsane: it detects the webcam and try to scan from it. |
| 18:36.35 | jetscreamer | you mean simulate? yeah |
| 18:36.40 | g00se | ( --do-nothing) |
| 18:36.52 | grand_grunt | How should I configure it to use the printer embedded scanner? |
| 18:36.57 | jetscreamer | not sure which switch is it but yeah |
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| 18:37.10 | g00se | Just need to see what's gonna come down the pipe. Don't really want exim |
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| 18:39.03 | ma3x | i used to 'traceroute' a given hostname a few days ago and it went in a flash! why since then it takes so much time? (upgraded to lenny) |
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| 18:40.42 | enouf | ma3x: does netstat -tunap show avahi ? |
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| 18:40.58 | enouf | ma3x: actually pastebin that output |
| 18:41.21 | ma3x | enouf: yes what's that! |
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| 18:41.30 | ma3x | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:55160 0.0.0.0:* 3172/avahi-daemon: |
| 18:41.37 | ma3x | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5353 0.0.0.0:* 3172/avahi-daemon: |
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| 18:41.49 | enouf | ma3x: well, test this; /etc/init.d/avahi* stop .. then try your tracerout |
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| 18:42.05 | [BT]JaC | hi, if something belongs to user 'root' how can i set it so it belongs to a different user |
| 18:42.18 | enouf | ma3x: man avahi-daemon, it's explanatory |
| 18:42.35 | ma3x | enouf: way better! |
| 18:42.41 | enouf | w00t! |
| 18:42.55 | enouf | now, uninstall it, or stop it at boot time |
| 18:43.00 | enouf | many ways to do that |
| 18:43.02 | [BT]JaC | enouf, when you have a minute, could you lend a hand please :) |
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| 18:43.20 | scout | [bt]jac, look up the chown command |
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| 18:43.27 | weiles | hi |
| 18:43.32 | [BT]JaC | ok |
| 18:43.40 | enouf | ma3x: update-rc.d, rcconf, sysv-rc-conf, etc |
| 18:43.41 | scout | [bt]jac, chown user:group (filename) |
| 18:43.51 | weiles | is the current firewire stack still vulnerable to accessing system memory? |
| 18:44.01 | g00se | jetscreamer: aptitude dist-upgrade -s offered to upgrade my kernel only. No other packages |
| 18:44.02 | weiles | and if it is, what can i do to stop thatà |
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| 18:44.18 | weiles | ? |
| 18:44.33 | jetscreamer | ma3x: we all know that you know not to paste |
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| 18:45.20 | ma3x | jetscreamer: meaning? i pasted 2 lines? |
| 18:45.37 | jetscreamer | g00se: well..... |
| 18:45.39 | ma3x | enouf: I just did apt-get remove avahi-daemon, I guess that removes it from startup :) |
| 18:45.41 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 18:45.41 | dpkg | run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once, then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, DON'T edit sources, DON'T select anything, just go to option 1 (update sources) and JUST HIT ENTER a lot until you exit... you may have to hit y or n somewhere. Also, if you've never run dselect, you may have to use option 0 and choose APT Acquisition. |
| 18:45.44 | jetscreamer | is better |
| 18:45.56 | jetscreamer | but deprecated in favor of suckiness |
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| 18:46.30 | jetscreamer | ma3x: i counted 4... lose the line breaks. |
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| 18:46.53 | jetscreamer | chatzilla? |
| 18:47.14 | enouf | ma3x: i suspect it's an mDNS issue/setting, perhaps even /etc/nsswitch.conf related .. or similar |
| 18:47.17 | ma3x | jetscreamer: i counted 2 sorry |
| 18:47.24 | g00se | jetscreamer: i suppose at installed courier coz i don't have exim |
| 18:47.48 | ma3x | enouf: i dunno what this mDNS or local dns does (caching ns entries probably) but it's useless for me |
| 18:47.51 | jetscreamer | i can't swear why it selected courier |
| 18:48.03 | jetscreamer | it always selects exim4 for me |
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| 18:48.29 | jetscreamer | yeah that avahi shit sucks ass but gets pulled in by lots of crap |
| 18:48.31 | g00se | jetscreamer: i don't see why it needs an mta myself |
| 18:48.35 | enouf | ma3x: well, wikipedia can tell you more, see Zeroconf, Bonjour, Avahi - perhaps file a bug and help out |
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| 18:48.55 | g00se | !fr |
| 18:48.55 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.debian.org. |
| 18:49.13 | jetscreamer | g00se: maybe it wants to email the results... anacron does. |
| 18:49.21 | g00se | LOL that was his quit message |
| 18:49.37 | ma3x | enouf: do you know anything about this exa acceleration or iiexa or something like that? |
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| 18:49.48 | enouf | g00se: likely for mailing to root/user notifications of system events, like auth logs etc |
| 18:49.48 | g00se | jetscreamer: true, but that ought to be made optional |
| 18:50.17 | g00se | jetscreamer: maybe i could find an mta-free one |
| 18:50.20 | jetscreamer | d/l the pkg and dpkg -i --force it :) muhahaha |
| 18:50.28 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 18:50.51 | g00se | jetscreamer: thought of that but don't like to do that sort of thing ;-) |
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| 18:51.34 | g00se | jetscreamer: i only missed at since my girlfriend said 'Can you let me know when it's 7:30?' ;-) |
| 18:51.48 | enouf | apt has a dselect-upgrade option jetscreamer , ever use that? |
| 18:52.12 | jetscreamer | g00se: http://packages.debian.org/etch/at has a listing of 'similar programs' |
| 18:52.26 | jetscreamer | can't tell they look like they do exactly what at does |
| 18:52.31 | g00se | jetscreamer: Good one. Thanks |
| 18:52.48 | jetscreamer | i mean they don't seem to be the same |
| 18:52.58 | jetscreamer | enouf: no i haven't |
| 18:53.06 | enouf | ok |
| 18:53.12 | jetscreamer | i have this script that does the factoid |
| 18:53.15 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 18:53.29 | enouf | i've no need .. but will look into it when i upgrade |
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| 18:54.22 | enouf | i really like the "hit Enter a LOT!!! .. and when you're done .. hit it some MORE!!!" ;-) |
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| 18:55.11 | jetscreamer | that factoid does more than apt-get -f or aptitude -f install or whatever it is |
| 18:55.20 | jetscreamer | resolves deps i mean |
| 18:55.30 | jetscreamer | maybe now aptitude is better or as good |
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| 18:56.36 | g00se | Good. anacron recommends exim, courier, sendmail etc. but doesn't select it |
| 18:57.25 | jetscreamer | !info xmmx-alarm etch |
| 18:57.28 | jetscreamer | err |
| 18:57.29 | enouf | anacron is more for running scheduled crons that haven't ran prior due to not being booted, or being down |
| 18:57.31 | jetscreamer | !info xmms-alarm etch |
| 18:57.36 | dpkg | xmms-alarm: (xmms general plugin for using xmms as an alarm clock), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.3.7-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 86 kB |
| 18:57.41 | jetscreamer | yeh i was gonna say that |
| 18:57.56 | jetscreamer | xmms-alarm is deprecated in sid and lenny though |
| 18:58.02 | jetscreamer | i stil luse it |
| 18:58.07 | jetscreamer | err use |
| 18:58.21 | enouf | no xmms2-alarm? |
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| 18:59.04 | jetscreamer | i haven't really used xmms2 a lot... it used to want to remove xmms but now it doesn't? |
| 18:59.15 | jetscreamer | atm i now have both (iirc) |
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| 19:00.57 | g00se | enouf: you're probably right about anacron. I haven't really used it |
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| 19:01.55 | g00se | enouf: yes - it's not appropriate |
| 19:02.07 | enouf | g00se: what are you looking for; an alarm clock? reminder service? apt-cache search alarm ? |
| 19:03.13 | g00se | enouf: yes - let's say alarm |
| 19:03.21 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache show remind |
| 19:03.36 | g00se | enouf: right |
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| 19:04.29 | enouf | !depends remind etch |
| 19:04.33 | dpkg | remind: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) |
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| 19:05.18 | g00se | enouf: yes - that looks nice and light |
| 19:05.52 | enouf | seek, and ye shall find ;-) |
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| 19:06.55 | g00se | Thanks folks |
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| 19:07.34 | tinin | !sources.list |
| 19:07.34 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 19:08.39 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list is an example |
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| 19:09.19 | asperon | where can i find information on the debian releases etc, ie, when lenny will become stable and so on? |
| 19:09.35 | jetscreamer | you can't |
| 19:09.38 | jetscreamer | !wir |
| 19:09.38 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 19:09.48 | sterpstra | #flood |
| 19:10.08 | [BT]JaC | ok |
| 19:10.09 | [BT]JaC | i get |
| 19:10.09 | [BT]JaC | teambt@VNL547:~/psybnc$ crontab -e |
| 19:10.10 | [BT]JaC | crontabs/teambt: Permission denied |
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| 19:10.14 | [BT]JaC | sorry |
| 19:10.18 | [BT]JaC | how can i fix that |
| 19:10.21 | Bushmills | autorejoin! |
| 19:10.25 | jetscreamer | kicked? |
| 19:10.26 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 19:10.42 | [BT]JaC | sorry |
| 19:10.44 | asperon | jetscreamer: ok, thought i read somewhere about the milestones and planned release dates and whatnot, guess i was misstaken |
| 19:10.48 | jetscreamer | sudo chown -R |
| 19:10.56 | indro | scsi 8:0:0:0: Direct-Access Apple iPod 1.62 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 |
| 19:10.59 | [BT]JaC | i dunno where the hell crontabs are |
| 19:11.03 | indro | sd 8:0:0:0: [sdb] Spinning up disk.................................... |
| 19:11.31 | indro | anyone know how i can find out which sdb it is? |
| 19:11.33 | jetscreamer | asperon: they have it down to a target in a quarter (yearly quarter) i think |
| 19:11.45 | indro | sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/ipodsk............. |
| 19:11.45 | indro | mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 19:11.48 | jetscreamer | but no firm date |
| 19:12.01 | jetscreamer | indro: fdisk -l |
| 19:12.05 | asperon | jetscreamer: ok, is this type of information posted anywhere? since the news on debian.org doesn't mention it |
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| 19:12.38 | indro | jetscreamer: thanks, but i get only sda1 sda2 sda3 ... :/ |
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| 19:12.52 | jetscreamer | asperon: not sure, everybody always says wir and stuff, me i just get suprised |
| 19:13.05 | indro | http://rafb.net/p/C3lvU310.html |
| 19:13.07 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 19:13.17 | _fjh_ | Hi I cannot find the linux kernel images for AMD (linux-image-2.6.24-N-k7) anymore? Should I use 486/686 instead? AMD Athlon XP 2000+is my CPU. |
| 19:13.21 | jetscreamer | indro: try ls -l /dev/disk/by-something ... me i prefer by-uuid |
| 19:13.31 | jetscreamer | butit may not be there either |
| 19:13.42 | jetscreamer | but scsi doesn't turn into sdb iirc |
| 19:13.51 | indro | hum how i get the uiid then? |
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| 19:14.25 | jetscreamer | _fjh_: you get to run the -686 optimized for intel |
| 19:14.30 | jetscreamer | or compile your own |
| 19:14.36 | jetscreamer | nowadays that is |
| 19:14.39 | indro | hum i did dmesg again now i get more messages... |
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| 19:14.55 | Bushmills | [BT]JaC: you didn't bother to look at the man page did you? |
| 19:14.55 | indro | http://rafb.net/p/GiNSin97.html |
| 19:15.07 | Bushmills | [BT]JaC: because there it says where they are |
| 19:15.14 | indro | what does that mean? :/ |
| 19:16.29 | scout | [bt]jac, are you still trying to change the owner? if the owner is root, you'll need to have root priveledges to change it. type: sudo chown user:group (filename) |
| 19:16.45 | jetscreamer | indro: do you have it plugged into a usb 1.1 port maybe? |
| 19:16.47 | _fjh_ | jetscreamer: Thanks. Is there a big performance penalty involved? Is it worth the effort compiling my own kernel? |
| 19:16.47 | scout | replace user and group with whoever you want to own it |
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| 19:16.59 | indro | jetscreamer: nope i only have usb 2.0 afaik |
| 19:17.03 | Trewas | asperon: debian-devel-announce mailing list, I guess that's the current lenny's release schedule: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/02/msg00002.html |
| 19:17.07 | jetscreamer | _fjh_: not afaict, but i compile my own anyway |
| 19:17.42 | jetscreamer | i had quit doing my own untill this |
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| 19:18.12 | jetscreamer | i have xp2400 btw |
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| 19:18.33 | _fjh_ | jetscreamer: OK, thanks. |
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| 19:20.33 | Haris1 | \amethyst: nope. Same problem on 2.6.24-1 as well |
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| 19:29.32 | asperon | Trewas: thnx |
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| 19:30.12 | weiles | any possibility to protect against firewire/sd card-reader/pci-express card memory attacks? |
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| 19:30.18 | weiles | unloading the modules? |
| 19:30.30 | weiles | or is firewire still working in the controller then? |
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| 19:31.45 | weiles | do i have to tape my devices the next time i leave my home? |
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| 19:43.20 | benmachine | hi, I just got my shiny new laptop and I'm having difficulty booting from my debian CD... it's really slow during a couple of points in the boot process, then the screen goes blank and unresponsive |
| 19:43.27 | benmachine | this is having already pressed enter at the prompt |
| 19:43.36 | benmachine | uh, macbook |
| 19:43.58 | enouf | indro: "New iPods reengineered to block synching with Linux" http://www.boingboing.net/2007/09/14/new-ipods-reengineer.html |
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| 19:44.35 | maligor | got to love them apples |
| 19:45.01 | benmachine | it's slow after "Disabling IRQ #233" and after "Starting system log daemon: syslogd, klogd." |
| 19:45.17 | benmachine | soon after that I get a blank (but on) screen that doesn't seem to do anything |
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| 19:45.33 | benmachine | does anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:45.51 | maligor | benmachine, the standard text installer? |
| 19:46.06 | xingu | maligor: the best thing about apple is that they create markets samsung will eventually do a better and cheaper job of servicing |
| 19:46.24 | benmachine | maligor: text installer? I don't think so, unless that's the usual |
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| 19:46.36 | benmachine | oh I suppose it is |
| 19:47.07 | Guerin | the text and gui installers shouls behave identically except in cases with a fucked GPU |
| 19:47.17 | maligor | xingu, heh, yes, one can't dismiss the huge japanese mega corporations, they'll just copy it and make it better in small ways |
| 19:47.19 | Guerin | but try it anyway |
| 19:47.27 | benmachine | well, OSX boots fine |
| 19:47.36 | Guerin | that means nothing |
| 19:47.45 | maligor | oh, it's a macbook |
| 19:47.48 | benmachine | yes |
| 19:47.58 | benmachine | (sorry) |
| 19:48.00 | Guerin | i suggest looking it up on linux-laptop.net |
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| 19:48.33 | benmachine | hmm ok |
| 19:48.35 | ThibG | Hi |
| 19:48.45 | benmachine | hi |
| 19:48.50 | ThibG | I've downloaded the third firsts DVDs |
| 19:49.06 | ThibG | (weekly of lenny) |
| 19:49.20 | maligor | benmachine, testing images should have newer kernels also, which might help |
| 19:49.24 | ThibG | The two first with HTTP, the third with jigdo |
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| 19:49.48 | maligor | but if you want stable, it might be tricky |
| 19:49.51 | ThibG | The MD5 sums mismatch with all of them! |
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| 19:51.02 | ThibG | Are the MD5SUM on cdimage.debian.org correct? What to do if the MD5 sums mismatch? |
| 19:51.50 | benmachine | maligor: where do I find the testing images |
| 19:52.10 | maligor | benmachine, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:52.16 | benmachine | thanks |
| 19:52.38 | maligor | oh, I see there's a beta1 of lenny installer |
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| 19:53.48 | Guerin | never use testing images unless you're testing |
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| 19:54.01 | Guerin | if you need a new kernel, /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 19:54.25 | benmachine | ok |
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| 19:57.46 | magyar | hi, is there a way to fetch mail and pass it onto exchange server? |
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| 20:04.30 | ThibG | ouch |
| 20:04.44 | ThibG | Is there any known problem with md5sum? |
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| 20:05.31 | ThibG | I've made a backup of a .iso and the md5sum did change ! |
| 20:06.08 | keyhack | I want to configure the firewall for my server, however, I would like to avoid dealing with a lot of the low-level stuff (unless somoene has a reference to an excellent guide that explains iptables pretty easily). Can anyone recommend a good package to use? I simply want to block everything except for a few ports for various services |
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| 20:07.55 | quitte | keyhack: fwbuilder is nice imho |
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| 20:08.30 | quitte | and by reading the compiled iptabls script you can learn iptables, if you wanted to |
| 20:08.49 | keyhack | quitte: ok, cool, so you just use the GUI locally, and it'll produce a file that you put on the server? |
| 20:09.02 | quitte | yes |
| 20:09.08 | keyhack | quitte: excellent :-), thanks a lot |
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| 20:11.11 | Ozymandi1s | is there an easy way to generate a self signed SSL with apache2? it seems the debian specific documentation I am finding via google is a few years outdated and I want to make sure I am using the correct guide |
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| 20:12.07 | keyhack | quitte: how do you test the file on the new server before activating it? My concern would be that I messed up a rule for SSH, and then I won't be able to get back in |
| 20:12.49 | quitte | keyhack: don't you have a serial console or something like that? |
| 20:13.21 | keyhack | quitte: I believe my dedicated hosting provider allows net KVM if I asked for it |
| 20:13.45 | quitte | keyhack: you could set rules to log instead of blocking and then carefully inspect the logs. or maybe a cron job that flushes the iptables after a while? |
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| 20:13.57 | keyhack | good point |
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| 20:14.53 | quitte | keyhack: otoh if you put a ssh allow rule before the deny all rule there's not a lot that could go wrong |
| 20:15.14 | keyhack | true |
| 20:15.42 | quitte | keyhack: you can reboot the machine through a webinterface? |
| 20:15.50 | quitte | just dn't automate thescript, ten |
| 20:16.29 | ThibG | ok, my hard drive is dying |
| 20:16.58 | ThibG | I've copyied one of the iso to another file |
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| 20:17.33 | ThibG | then, I've ran md5sum on the two theorically identical files, and... md5 mismatch! |
| 20:18.00 | Deepa | They're not identical |
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| 20:18.16 | embkas | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.34 | ThibG | Deepa, I know... But i've just ran cp... |
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| 20:19.02 | Ozymandi1s | ThibG: the paths screwing up the md5? |
| 20:19.19 | ThibG | Ozymandi1s, hum, I dont think, I'll test |
| 20:19.39 | TwinX | ThibG; why was it you dont try netinstall ? |
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| 20:19.53 | Ozymandi1s | i dont recall if md5 sees /foo/thing and /bar/thing as having the same hashes or not |
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| 20:20.19 | ThibG | Ozymandi1s, no (I've just copyied a text file to another name and checked the two MD5, they are the same) |
| 20:20.29 | Ozymandi1s | hmm ok |
| 20:20.30 | ThibG | TwinX, I'm downloading for installing later, offline |
| 20:21.00 | TwinX | hmm ok ThibG , but netistall is pretty easy and fast :) |
| 20:21.34 | henr_k | embkas: lprm |
| 20:21.51 | keyhack | quitte: do you use the 'Install' feature to install it on your server? or do you do that part manually? |
| 20:22.25 | quitte | keyhack: i always did it manually |
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| 20:22.45 | ThibG | I'm fed up with this... and SMART doesn't say anything alarming |
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| 20:23.20 | quitte | keyhack: i alwaysjust copied it to the ppp/ip-up.d directory. as this doesn't apply to you you should probably run it from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:23.43 | keyhack | quitte: you mean the .fw file? |
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| 20:26.02 | quitte | keyhack: yes I think so. didn't use it lately. whatever is a shell script |
| 20:26.03 | ThibG | or... is there anything with 2.6.24-1-686, ext3 and big files? |
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| 20:27.56 | Deepa | So... how do I tell my computer that localhost is at 127.0.0.2? |
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| 20:30.38 | gladideg | Don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I'll try anyway. I have a sourcode of a program written in Perl, for Mac OS X. I wonder if its possible to build/make the source for a linux distro? |
| 20:31.25 | keyhack | quitte: ok thanks, I got the firewall up, was pretty simple with the GUI, can you tell me the different between DENY and REJECT? |
| 20:31.59 | Deepa | gladideg, short answer: yes |
| 20:32.45 | gladideg | Deepa, nice :-) Thank you |
| 20:33.06 | ThibG | good bye |
| 20:33.14 | Deepa | May require some modifications, but iirc perl is pretty much the same no matter the system |
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| 20:33.50 | gladideg | Deepa, ok. I'll give it a try now |
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| 20:34.31 | keyhack | quitte: does DENY pretty much passively block the packet, (and eventually the TCP connection request times out to the client) and REJECT will forcefully reject the connection (causing a connection refused?) |
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| 20:35.13 | vjoe | hey |
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| 20:38.43 | FelipeSouza | How can i list the installed packages of some category? (non-free) |
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| 20:43.58 | Miesco | What program do I use to make an DVD9 ISO of my DVD? |
| 20:44.16 | valdyn | Miesco: cat /dev/dvd > file.img |
| 20:44.32 | ManuP | is there a easy way to make a backup of my just installed (and clean!) system, so that i can restore it if i get problems? |
| 20:45.05 | Miesco | valdyn: But I want to decrypt the DVD |
| 20:45.14 | valdyn | ManuP: apt-cache show mondo |
| 20:45.48 | ManuP | valdyn, cant find it |
| 20:45.52 | ManuP | !mondo |
| 20:45.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mondo is a full-featured backup/restore system with support for backup media CDRW, tape, NFS mount, etc - a complete system can be restored from bare metal. |
| 20:46.30 | valdyn | ManuP: why cant you find it? |
| 20:47.21 | valdyn | Miesco: since dvdbackup depends on libdvdcss2 i assume it will decrypt. |
| 20:47.27 | ManuP | valdyn, apt-cache doesnt seem to have it in its list. apt-get update and try again didnt work.... |
| 20:47.39 | valdyn | !info mondo etch |
| 20:47.44 | dpkg | mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.20-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 420 kB, Installed size: 1140 kB |
| 20:47.44 | valdyn | ManuP: on which debian releasE? |
| 20:47.52 | ManuP | valdyn, not etch. i use lenny |
| 20:48.00 | valdyn | !info mondo lenny |
| 20:48.09 | abrotman | !why is mondo not in testing |
| 20:48.10 | dpkg | mondo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mondo |
| 20:48.10 | sauvin | When does lenny release? |
| 20:48.17 | valdyn | ManuP: you can try the sid package |
| 20:48.18 | abrotman | sauvin: WIR, SIYH |
| 20:48.41 | sauvin | When it's ready, ....? |
| 20:48.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:48.53 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 20:48.54 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html |
| 20:48.57 | sauvin | What's SIYH? |
| 20:49.04 | abrotman | i think there's been an update since then |
| 20:49.05 | abrotman | !siyh |
| 20:49.05 | dpkg | from memory, siyh is Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 20:49.09 | sauvin | ah. |
| 20:49.29 | ManuP | valdyn, is there a program available in lenny which has same features? |
| 20:49.44 | valdyn | ManuP: no |
| 20:51.01 | ManuP | valdyn, hmm... not good. could i tar all folders and play them back from a rescue-system? |
| 20:51.18 | valdyn | ManuP: how is that better than just reinstalling? |
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| 20:51.55 | valdyn | ManuP: its possible to do that, but if you have to ask the question you likely will do it wrong |
| 20:51.58 | ManuP | valdyn, i did some customation already |
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| 20:52.32 | ManuP | valdyn, erm... i suppose i do NOT tar the /dev and /proc dir... is that right? |
| 20:52.55 | ManuP | valdyn, you are right, i do not know what i have to do. |
| 20:53.17 | valdyn | ManuP: its quite a few steps |
| 20:53.28 | valdyn | ManuP: using sids mondo is easier |
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| 20:54.05 | valdyn | ManuP: doing a cat /dev/hda > backup.img is easier too, if you have the disk space and a rescue system |
| 20:54.09 | ManuP | valdyn, i have several partitions (eg for /home, /usr, /var etc). will mondo backup them all at once and replay them correctly? |
| 20:54.27 | valdyn | ManuP: its what it does |
| 20:54.37 | ManuP | valdyn, all at once? |
| 20:54.41 | valdyn | ManuP: i dont do assessments like "is mondo free of bugs" |
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| 20:54.53 | valdyn | ManuP: sure, all at once |
| 20:55.13 | ManuP | valdyn, good. |
| 20:55.28 | valdyn | !why is mondo not in testing |
| 20:55.28 | dpkg | mondo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mondo |
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| 20:58.15 | ManuP | valdyn, is mindi the successor of mondo? |
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| 20:58.23 | latitu_ | how to reconfigure xserver? |
| 20:59.02 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 20:59.02 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. If you've modified your xorg.conf yourself, ask me about <xmd5sum>. |
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| 20:59.18 | ManuP | latitu_, dpkg-reconfigure NAME_OF_PACKAGE |
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| 20:59.54 | latitu_ | thx |
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| 21:01.41 | ManuP | !mindi |
| 21:03.02 | abrotman | ManuP: msg the bot |
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| 21:03.21 | ManuP | !tell ManuP about somthing |
| 21:04.37 | valdyn | ManuP: its not the successor |
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| 21:05.16 | ManuP | valdyn, thanks for the help. i will use mondo from the sid repository |
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| 21:08.44 | abrotman | !tell Snadder about search |
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| 21:09.40 | Sanitoeter | hi! I'm trying to create a .deb package for myself using checkinstall, but everytime I exec apt after installing it, apt says that it was automatically installed and is no longer needed. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 21:14.32 | netdaemon | Sanitoeter: aptitude unmarkauto packagename |
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| 21:16.57 | samducker | can I have some help? |
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| 21:18.37 | samducker | anyone here? |
| 21:18.50 | abrotman | !ask |
| 21:18.50 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:20.20 | samducker | ok I have a problem I want to install php cli to have a path as currently when I've been using apt-get install php5-cli its not had a path eg /usr/bin/php5-cli I am using debian etch. |
| 21:21.05 | abrotman | !find bin/php5 etch |
| 21:21.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/php5' (2): (/usr/bin/php5) in web/php5-cli ;; (/usr/bin/php5-cgi, /usr/lib/cgi-bin/php5) in web/php5-cgi. |
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| 21:21.33 | samducker | ok... |
| 21:21.46 | samducker | I'm logged in as root via ssh |
| 21:21.54 | samducker | I've uninstalled php5-cli |
| 21:22.03 | samducker | I want to install it again properly iwth a path |
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| 21:22.07 | samducker | where do I go from here |
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| 21:22.32 | abrotman | samducker: aptitude install php5-cli .. |
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| 21:23.08 | samducker | abrotman: done that |
| 21:23.09 | samducker | now.. |
| 21:23.22 | abrotman | now as a normal user .. try to run 'php5' |
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| 21:24.01 | samducker | typed php5 |
| 21:24.06 | samducker | nothings happend |
| 21:24.14 | samducker | this is on a normal user |
| 21:24.30 | abrotman | did you feed it a php file? |
| 21:24.39 | samducker | nope |
| 21:24.41 | abrotman | like php5 ./test.php ? |
| 21:25.07 | samducker | I don't have a test file |
| 21:25.11 | samducker | well I use a control panel |
| 21:25.15 | samducker | php already works |
| 21:25.19 | samducker | just php-cli doesn;t |
| 21:25.26 | samducker | as I've been trying to use it for torrent flux |
| 21:25.37 | samducker | and /usr/bin/php says php cli required |
| 21:26.08 | abrotman | it's broken |
| 21:26.18 | samducker | abrotman: ok how do I fix it? |
| 21:26.20 | abrotman | it's looking for /usr/bin/php .. and you have /usr/bin/php5 |
| 21:26.28 | abrotman | you can do a symlink |
| 21:26.41 | samducker | there is a symlink I think |
| 21:26.53 | samducker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.04 | samducker | it just says php-cli isn't installed |
| 21:27.39 | samducker | abrotman: theres a field in torrentflux that says |
| 21:27.40 | samducker | php |
| 21:27.40 | samducker | Specify the path to the commandline (cli) php binary (/usr/bin/php). |
| 21:27.55 | abrotman | !info torrentflux etch |
| 21:27.55 | samducker | when I type /usr/bin/php |
| 21:27.59 | samducker | I get PHP-CLI required |
| 21:28.08 | abrotman | you have php5-cli .. |
| 21:28.10 | Hoxzer | ^_^' |
| 21:28.22 | samducker | abrotman: well what is the path to it? |
| 21:28.38 | samducker | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.42 | samducker | for cli at least |
| 21:28.50 | abrotman | you just said that /usr/bin/php exists |
| 21:29.30 | samducker | abrotman: yes but it thinks php-cli is not within /usr/bin/php |
| 21:29.48 | abrotman | samducker: paste the error somewhere |
| 21:29.49 | abrotman | !paste |
| 21:29.49 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 21:30.18 | samducker | abrotman: its not a detailed error |
| 21:30.19 | samducker | but.. |
| 21:30.24 | samducker | its from torrentflux |
| 21:30.29 | samducker | in the field |
| 21:30.31 | samducker | php |
| 21:30.31 | samducker | Specify the path to the commandline (cli) php binary (/usr/bin/php). |
| 21:30.31 | samducker | Note: This must be the cli version of the PHP binary, NOT cgi or otherwise. |
| 21:30.42 | abrotman | then feed it /usr/bin/php5 |
| 21:30.51 | samducker | when I type /usr/bin/php5 or /usr/bin/php |
| 21:31.00 | samducker | it says PHP-CLI required |
| 21:31.25 | samducker | reread this part |
| 21:31.26 | abrotman | that doesn't make any sense |
| 21:31.26 | samducker | samducker: Specify the path to the commandline (cli) php binary (/usr/bin/php). |
| 21:31.26 | samducker | [22:30] samducker: Note: This must be the cli version of the PHP binary, NOT cgi or otherwise. |
| 21:31.32 | samducker | reread that ^ |
| 21:31.41 | samducker | it wants the location for the cli part |
| 21:31.46 | samducker | so like theres a path for cgi |
| 21:31.48 | themill | samducker: can you pastebin the output for us along with apt-cache policy php5-cli |
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| 21:32.10 | abrotman | thinks torrentflux is broken |
| 21:32.23 | samducker | abrotman: it isn't |
| 21:32.29 | abrotman | it is |
| 21:32.51 | samducker | it isn't trust me I've got it working on another server before |
| 21:33.11 | samducker | http://rafb.net/p/E8e9e435.html |
| 21:33.21 | samducker | for the pastebin of apt-cache policy php5-cli |
| 21:34.11 | abrotman | samducker: so if you create a php file called "test.php" and put '<? echo "Hello\n";?>' in it .. and then php5 ./test.php .. what happens ? |
| 21:34.16 | samducker | abrotman: besides the rest of torrent flux is working like the paths to vnc uudeiview and so on |
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| 21:35.31 | samducker | abrotman: nothing happends |
| 21:35.54 | samducker | I have punbb installed which uses php |
| 21:35.55 | samducker | http://watsound.co.uk/ |
| 21:35.58 | samducker | and that works |
| 21:36.07 | abrotman | that's not related |
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| 21:36.24 | samducker | abrotman: ok |
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| 21:37.03 | pinju | hey im looking to recover lost files on a formatted NTFS drive - can anyone recommend a program to look into? |
| 21:37.23 | abrotman | !ubcd |
| 21:37.23 | dpkg | ubcd is, like, http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ or and a version full of windows tools http://www.ubcd4win.com/ |
| 21:37.39 | samducker | abrotman: so ... |
| 21:37.54 | abrotman | samducker: paste the contents of your test.php |
| 21:38.21 | pinju | abrotman was that towards me? |
| 21:38.32 | abrotman | !info mondo etch |
| 21:38.36 | dpkg | mondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.20-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 420 kB, Installed size: 1140 kB |
| 21:39.03 | pinju | well thank you kindly |
| 21:39.27 | samducker | abrotman: how do I make the test.php? |
| 21:39.34 | abrotman | samducker: so if you create a php file called "test.php" and put '<? echo "Hello\n";?>' in it .. and then php5 ./test.php .. what happens ? |
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| 21:39.42 | abrotman | i thought you already did that |
| 21:39.49 | samducker | no I didn't |
| 21:39.55 | samducker | how do I create the test.php |
| 21:40.46 | abrotman | samducker: so if you create a php file called "test.php" and put '<? echo "Hello\n";?>' in it .. and then php5 ./test.php .. what happens ? |
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| 21:41.02 | samducker | abrotman: how do I create the php file |
| 21:41.06 | abrotman | use whatever text editor you want |
| 21:41.19 | samducker | ok.. so vi test.php ? |
| 21:41.21 | samducker | would work |
| 21:41.25 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:41.25 | samducker | from a standard user |
| 21:41.31 | larsemil | echo "<?php phpinfo(); ?>" |
| 21:41.39 | larsemil | echo "<?php phpinfo(); ?>" > test.php |
| 21:41.45 | larsemil | php5 test.php |
| 21:41.56 | larsemil | two lines, and it will test your php install |
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| 21:42.55 | samducker | ok made the file |
| 21:42.58 | samducker | and ran php5 test.php |
| 21:43.01 | samducker | nothing happens |
| 21:44.00 | abrotman | paste the contents of your test.php and the output of php5 ./test.php |
| 21:45.05 | samducker | the output is Hello/nsam@ns1:~/test$ |
| 21:46.24 | abrotman | samducker: put it in a pastebin |
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| 21:48.57 | samducker | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/RsYMJX17.html |
| 21:49.20 | abrotman | samducker: no .. `cat test.php` .. the command and the contents |
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| 21:49.50 | samducker | http://rafb.net/p/uinuEJ52.html |
| 21:50.24 | abrotman | it's \ not / |
| 21:50.35 | samducker | its not working? |
| 21:50.38 | samducker | what do you mean |
| 21:50.41 | abrotman | fix that .. then paste the command and output of `php5 ./test.php` |
| 21:50.54 | samducker | fix what? |
| 21:51.39 | abrotman | it's \ not / |
| 21:52.43 | samducker | what is \ not / |
| 21:52.48 | samducker | I don't know what your talking about? |
| 21:52.53 | abrotman | in your file .. you have /n .. it should be \n |
| 21:52.58 | samducker | ok |
| 21:53.49 | samducker | http://rafb.net/p/FAsDaE48.html |
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| 21:54.06 | abrotman | it's working perfectly |
| 21:54.28 | samducker | ok... |
| 21:54.39 | samducker | well abrotman the path to php-cli does not exist |
| 21:54.51 | samducker | I need to have a binary path to php-cli |
| 21:54.58 | samducker | so /usr/bin/php won't work |
| 21:55.09 | abrotman | i think torrentflux is broken |
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| 21:55.31 | samducker | abrotman: it isn't |
| 21:55.39 | abrotman | php5 works fine |
| 21:55.45 | samducker | abrotman: I need to install a binary of php-cli |
| 21:55.50 | themill | samducker: can you pastebin: ls -l /usr/bin/php* /etc/alternatives/php* |
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| 21:56.01 | samducker | so the path would have a specfic path for php-cli eg /usr/bin/php5-cli |
| 21:56.03 | abrotman | samducker: there isn't one in debian .. either symlink it or FIX torrentflux |
| 21:56.15 | abrotman | it's broken in a very stupid way |
| 21:56.35 | samducker | so.. how do I symlink to it |
| 21:56.36 | samducker | ? |
| 21:56.37 | themill | samducker: can you pastebin: ls -l /usr/bin/php* /etc/alternatives/php* |
| 21:56.39 | abrotman | man ln |
| 21:57.41 | samducker | I get command not found |
| 21:57.56 | abrotman | which command? |
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| 21:58.22 | samducker | -l /usr/bin/php* /etc/alternatives/php* |
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| 21:58.49 | themill | ls -l /usr/bin/php* /etc/alternatives/php* |
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| 21:58.57 | themill | !tell samducker about general cli tutorial |
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| 21:59.39 | samducker | http://rafb.net/p/F7Pnkh34.html |
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| 22:00.49 | themill | samducker: and what's the first line of output from: php -v |
| 22:01.11 | samducker | PHP 5.2.0-8+etch10 (cli) (built: Jan 18 2008 18:52:58) |
| 22:01.27 | themill | so, read that through yourself. /usr/bin/php -> /usr/bin/php5. Notice the "cli" bit? As abrotman has been saying for the last 20minutes, your app is broken, not php. |
| 22:01.49 | samducker | it isn't broken :/ |
| 22:01.55 | samducker | I need to make a direct link to cli |
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| 22:02.12 | abrotman | okay .. it's not broken .. it's stupid |
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| 22:02.33 | \amethyst | what do you mean "direct link to cli"? |
| 22:02.36 | themill | samducker: it is not. You have a direct link to the cli version of php. Your apps is stupid *and* broken. |
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| 22:02.51 | samducker | themill: well it works for thousands of other people? |
| 22:02.56 | \amethyst | /usr/bin/php5 *is* the CLI |
| 22:02.57 | samducker | so I doubt the apps broken |
| 22:03.02 | NekoKun | Where can I rad about what i each linux folder, like PROC and OPT |
| 22:03.14 | themill | samducker: have you fiddled with the config files for php at all? |
| 22:03.19 | abrotman | \amethyst: yeah .. we've been over that |
| 22:03.29 | abrotman | !fhs |
| 22:03.29 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*) |
| 22:03.40 | samducker | themill: not really but I have ISPCP/VHCS Omega installed and that might have done |
| 22:03.49 | themill | ffs |
| 22:03.56 | \amethyst | samducker: this is the Debian torrentflux package? |
| 22:03.57 | themill | samducker: (and btw php cli also works for thousands of people under etch so there's no point in trying that argument) |
| 22:04.17 | romano2k | good evening everyone ! |
| 22:04.21 | \amethyst | oh, probably not, since this is etch |
| 22:04.39 | romano2k | i'm having a big problem on my system |
| 22:04.40 | samducker | \amethyst it wasn't a package install I did it via wget and a wiki tutorial I followed |
| 22:04.53 | romano2k | "touch foo" in my home directory returns "read-only file system" |
| 22:05.27 | samducker | themill: yes, that is irrelevant as everyone has a different setup my torrentflux setup is tested, I obviously have done something to screw up php-cli |
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| 22:06.44 | themill | samducker: do you also have the cgi or mod_php version of php installed? |
| 22:06.58 | samducker | themill: cgi I'm pretty sure |
| 22:07.14 | themill | samducker: what's the output of: diff /etc/php5/*/php.ini |
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| 22:07.52 | samducker | ns1:~# diff /etc/php5/*/php.ini |
| 22:07.52 | samducker | diff: extra operand `/etc/php5/cli/php.ini' |
| 22:07.52 | samducker | diff: Try `diff --help' for more information. |
| 22:09.05 | romano2k | i'm really stuck, anyone could help, my filesystem is mounted read-only |
| 22:09.10 | samducker | themill |
| 22:09.10 | themill | samducker: ok... so you've got all three installed.... diff /etc/php5/cli/php.ini /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 22:09.39 | samducker | themill: yeah |
| 22:09.43 | samducker | it would seem so |
| 22:10.07 | samducker | maybe I could make a link like /usr/bin/php5-cli to go to /etc/php5/cli/php.ini |
| 22:10.10 | samducker | that would probably work |
| 22:10.12 | \amethyst | romano2k: check your logs (dmesg and /var/log/kern.log) for something about disk errors |
| 22:10.29 | themill | samducker: no, that's completely idiotic. |
| 22:10.42 | samducker | themill: right. ok |
| 22:11.05 | themill | samducker: one is a config file and the other is an executable |
| 22:11.10 | \amethyst | it sounds like this program is misdetecting whether you have the CLI or CGI version of php |
| 22:11.11 | samducker | right |
| 22:11.21 | romano2k | \amethyst: http://pastebin.com/m524690aa |
| 22:11.37 | samducker | \ametheyst: probably yes but it seems to work for others so its strange |
| 22:11.57 | \amethyst | romano2k: your disk is having problems. Is this the root filesystem or another? |
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| 22:12.06 | romano2k | \amethyst: root filesystem |
| 22:12.22 | \amethyst | samducker: the funny thing is, I don't see the string "CLI required" or "PHP-CLI" anywhere in the torrentflux source |
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| 22:12.41 | \amethyst | so I don't know where this "PHP-CLI required" message is coming from |
| 22:12.55 | samducker | \amethyst want access to the control panel? |
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| 22:13.09 | samducker | with admin powers so you can see for yourself |
| 22:13.50 | \amethyst | no |
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| 22:14.11 | samducker | well its from the html frontend I'm getting the message |
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| 22:14.20 | romano2k | \amethyst: what should I do? :/ |
| 22:14.55 | \amethyst | romano2k: get a new hard drive, boot from a rescue CD, and copy the data over |
| 22:15.23 | romano2k | \amethyst: is there a way to check the S.M.A.R.T. status? |
| 22:15.30 | NekoKun | I got a segmentation fault while copying a large amount of files... how to know what happened? |
| 22:15.34 | \amethyst | romano2k: yes, with the program smartctl |
| 22:15.37 | romano2k | \amethyst: can't I just "reboot"? |
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| 22:16.10 | romano2k | \amethyst: i'm backuping files from the server via FTP, it works fine o_O |
| 22:16.13 | \amethyst | romano2k: yes, but that's probably not going to fix the underlying hard disk error |
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| 22:21.39 | mmlj4 | any security issues with wordpress? |
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| 22:24.10 | n3kl | mmlj4: ask #wordpress I think the latest version fixed quite a lot. |
| 22:24.25 | mmlj4 | fair enough |
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| 22:30.13 | themill | samducker: in your config file, what do you have as the value for bin_php? |
| 22:30.29 | samducker | themill: I'll check in a moment |
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| 22:52.33 | abrotman | !flw |
| 22:52.33 | dpkg | < Elly> is it safe to rename root? < Elly> hmm, apparently yes < zinx> it's not safe and it provides no added security < Elly> I used 'usermod' to change it < Elly> nothing has broken yet |
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| 22:58.48 | ma3x | hi abrotman |
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| 23:03.00 | rgr | anyone know what happened in debian lenny with last set of updates? mplayer now lags audio on dvs by about 5s and then freezes. vlc has stopped working. Only dvd player I can get working is kaffeine - which I dont like as I prefer clean gnome dekstop. |
| 23:03.34 | epifanio | hi .. im'having some prblem tring a netboot |
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| 23:04.15 | epifanio | i've a laptop with a broken cdrom (no boot using usb or floppy) |
| 23:04.57 | epifanio | i tried to setup a dhcp server on a ubuntu machine, then i configured a tftp server |
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| 23:05.20 | epifanio | now i'm able to start the debian installer via ethernet |
| 23:05.23 | rrbox | epifanio: i have the same situation, i have to open my laptop and use a different cdrom from another laptop |
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| 23:05.54 | epifanio | the installation begin properly using the ethernet |
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| 23:06.22 | epifanio | but now it is freezed at the step : cheking the debian archive mirror :-( |
| 23:06.43 | epifanio | i tried different mirror ... but nothing |
| 23:06.50 | abrotman | how long did you wait ? |
| 23:06.59 | epifanio | 10 minutes |
| 23:07.06 | epifanio | it give 0% |
| 23:07.54 | epifanio | i tried to see if the desktop (dhcp server) is able to connect on the web ... it runs |
| 23:08.28 | epifanio | ping www.google.com works fine |
| 23:09.12 | abrotman | it can take awhile to do that .. it's downloading files .. and some mirrors are slow |
| 23:09.29 | epifanio | tail -f /var/log/syslog give me : http://rafb.net/p/q1mTJm35.html |
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| 23:11.07 | epifanio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:26.41 | PhrkOnLsh | How can I see what keycodes my laptop's keyboard generates? I want to set up my xbindkeys to use the media player controls and volume controls on my laptop's keyboardbut am unsure how to get the keycodes |
| 23:27.09 | amphi | xev |
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| 23:27.39 | ma3x | a tiny problem i got with the clock |
| 23:27.49 | ma3x | it delays 5 secs of boot |
| 23:27.52 | PhrkOnLsh | tanks amphi |
| 23:27.52 | ma3x | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 23:27.54 | PhrkOnLsh | thanks, too |
| 23:27.55 | ma3x | how to i solve that? |
| 23:28.01 | ma3x | on boot and shutdown i get that |
| 23:28.19 | vjoe | bye |
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| 23:29.36 | themill | !tell PhrkOnLsh about multimedia keys |
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| 23:30.49 | PhrkOnLsh | yep, got it themill |
| 23:30.56 | themill | :) |
| 23:31.22 | ma3x | themill: any idea about my error? |
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| 23:32.24 | themill | ma3x: nfc |
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| 23:33.12 | themill | ma3x: have you asked google? |
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| 23:33.22 | ma3x | themill: yes, but i couldn't find how to fix it on boot/shutdown |
| 23:33.30 | ma3x | nfc |
| 23:33.33 | ma3x | !nfc |
| 23:33.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nfc is No Fucking Clue. National Football Conference |
| 23:33.37 | ma3x | hm |
| 23:33.46 | PhrkOnLsh | ma3x: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2004/12/msg00397.html |
| 23:33.46 | ma3x | fine abbreviation |
| 23:33.51 | PhrkOnLsh | plunk aroudn that thread |
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| 23:34.45 | PhrkOnLsh | wanton:/home/rrix# hwclock --show |
| 23:34.45 | PhrkOnLsh | select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out |
| 23:34.45 | PhrkOnLsh | wanton:/home/rrix# hwclock --directisa |
| 23:34.46 | PhrkOnLsh | Sun 20 Apr 2008 09:34:38 AM MST -0.929178 seconds |
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| 23:35.03 | PhrkOnLsh | oops sorry |
| 23:35.13 | themill | ma3x: ^^ --directisa keeps coming up as a way of solving this |
| 23:35.27 | ma3x | themill: so how do i use --directisa for boot and shutdown? |
| 23:35.37 | ma3x | i mean the time sync is automatically executed by system |
| 23:35.38 | ma3x | not by me |
| 23:36.05 | ma3x | i mean how do you implement that workaround? |
| 23:36.12 | epifanio__ | ok i solved |
| 23:36.32 | epifanio__ | the installer use as default an dhcp connection |
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| 23:36.53 | epifanio__ | so when it terminate the dhcp setting |
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| 23:37.14 | poseidon | !rt2x00 |
| 23:37.14 | dpkg | The rt2x00 project (http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/) provides next-generation drivers (rt2x00) for the <Ralink> rt2400, rt2500, rt2570, rt61 and rt73 chipsets. Packaged in Debian as 'rt2x00-source'. Read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Also ask about <ralink firmware>. |
| 23:37.32 | epifanio__ | i come back to the previouse stem and set a manual configuration |
| 23:37.41 | themill | ma3x: have a look in /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh, perhaps. No promises though. |
| 23:37.44 | poseidon | !rt73 |
| 23:37.44 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2573/RT2671 (rt73) is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT73_Linux_STA_Drv1.0.4.0.tar.gz. Enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt73-cvs-daily.tar.gz (the required 'rt73.bin' firmware file is included). Also ask me about <rt2x00>. |
| 23:38.01 | themill | !tell poseidon about msg the bot |
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| 23:38.51 | Hellow | Is Ubuntu based off Debian? |
| 23:38.59 | amphi | Hellow: yes |
| 23:39.09 | Hellow | what is the difference between them? |
| 23:39.40 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 23:39.41 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
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| 23:39.54 | themill | !based on debian |
| 23:39.54 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it unlikely lives up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 23:40.31 | Hellow | is debian smaller than Ubuntu? |
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| 23:40.46 | PhrkOnLsh | I know this is off topic, but what is the time in UTC? |
| 23:40.52 | abrotman | !date |
| 23:40.52 | dpkg | The current date is 2008.04.20 23:40:52 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
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| 23:40.58 | PhrkOnLsh | Hellow: Ubuntu is an ancient african word meaning i can't configure debian. |
| 23:41.07 | PhrkOnLsh | thanks abrotman :] |
| 23:41.07 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: not funny |
| 23:41.09 | ma3x | themill: can you say where exactly should i put that --directisa in /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh |
| 23:41.21 | PhrkOnLsh | Hellow: It's basically linux for newbies |
| 23:41.25 | Hellow | Is Ubuntu the Operating System smaller than Debian the Opeating System? |
| 23:41.37 | venger | i'm having trouble setting up grub2 for windows partitions. I'm getting error: unknown command 'map' for those boot entries so if "map" isn't supported in grub2, how do you swap hd0 with the drive you need so windows can boot? |
| 23:41.44 | PhrkOnLsh | depends on how much you want in debian |
| 23:41.55 | Hellow | default intall |
| 23:41.57 | themill | ma3x: if it's going to work, then set HWCLOCKPARS="--directisa" |
| 23:42.08 | Hellow | install* |
| 23:42.35 | amphi | Hellow: ubuntu's default install is much bigger - it installs a desktop environment and so on |
| 23:42.44 | abrotman | Hellow: we will tell you about Debian .. if you want information on Ubuntu, ask #ubuntu |
| 23:43.06 | stew | Hellow: the default install of debian is much smaller and does much less. if you have the same packages installed in each you shouldn't expect them to differ in size significantly |
| 23:43.16 | Hellow | ah |
| 23:43.19 | Hellow | ty |
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| 23:50.08 | ma3x | themill: works thanks! |
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| 23:50.42 | themill | ma3x: excellent. All I did was put your error into google, btw... that was the first hit. |
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| 23:51.23 | ma3x | themill: i knew about --directisa but i didn't know how to fix it (to put that next to parse in /etc/init.d/hwclockfirst.sh ... and the other one) |
| 23:51.24 | streuner | hehe |
| 23:51.55 | streuner | just had a Deja Vu :-) |
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| 23:52.17 | streuner | Didn't we tell you about before? |
| 23:52.58 | cafuego | no, lies |
| 23:53.10 | streuner | !geeksmite cafuego |
| 23:53.10 | dpkg | puts cafuego into a world of microchips |
| 23:53.22 | streuner | too lame |
| 23:53.31 | poseidon | Does debian have the option for using KDE? |
| 23:53.39 | streuner | heh |
| 23:53.40 | cafuego | yes |
| 23:53.51 | poseidon | cafuego, is it well supported? |
| 23:54.03 | cafuego | poseidon: Too well for my liking. |
| 23:54.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | *grin* |
| 23:54.16 | themill | !tell poseidon about install kde |
| 23:54.16 | streuner | KDE is well supported in Debian |
| 23:54.28 | cafuego | peers at Kamping_Kaiser |
| 23:54.35 | poseidon | Does debian have a live cd? |
| 23:54.38 | nevyn | looks severly at cafuego |
| 23:55.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | wharfs back at cafuego |
| 23:55.06 | cafuego | looks far, FAR more severely at nevyn |
| 23:55.13 | streuner | poseidon: yes |
| 23:55.15 | cafuego | !eye Kamping_Kaiser |
| 23:55.15 | dpkg | raises cafuego's eyebrow at Kamping_Kaiser |
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| 23:55.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | !lart cafuegos eyebrow |
| 23:55.37 | dpkg | squishes cafuegos eyebrow like a bug |
| 23:55.44 | cafuego | OW! |
| 23:55.49 | cafuego | runs off, crying |
| 23:55.50 | themill | !win Kamping_Kaiser |
| 23:55.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, Kamping_Kaiser! You have won a one way ticket to Rio de Janeiro! |
| 23:56.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | o/ |
| 23:56.11 | cafuego | that not too far from debconf :-) |
| 23:56.14 | streuner | Rio? oh, no - that's too much fun :-) |
| 23:56.44 | streuner | cafuego: are you going to visit .ar? |
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| 23:57.12 | streuner | shouldn't be that bad |
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| 23:58.33 | cafuego | streuner: No.. but my wife has been threatened with a flight over |
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| 23:58.59 | LimCore | !win me |
| 23:58.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, limcore! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 23:59.04 | LimCore | yey |
| 23:59.19 | Austin` | if I change my sources.list from etch to edgy and then update and install something will it get messed up? |
| 23:59.22 | streuner | cafuego: hm, she like to travel? |
