| 00:00.08 | Zelta | err, actually, try following this video HOWTO: |
| 00:00.08 | Zelta | www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBGIQ7ZuuiU |
| 00:00.09 | themill | vrv: mount by UUID instead of device name |
| 00:00.25 | themill | vrv: /msg dpkg uuid |
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| 00:01.22 | vrv | Than you very much, themill :) |
| 00:01.32 | themill | np |
| 00:01.51 | salvin | Zelta, 80 inside :) |
| 00:02.09 | Zelta | :O |
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| 00:06.17 | hell-jack | Running autoconf... |
| 00:06.17 | hell-jack | configure.ac:356: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_LIBGCRYPT |
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| 00:06.17 | hell-jack | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:06.33 | themill | !tell hell-jack about paste |
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| 00:15.41 | richardwaite | hey all |
| 00:16.26 | Zelta | hi |
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| 00:18.33 | richardwaite | has anyone here worked with getting the onboard ethernet adapter working on the dq35jo intel mobo? |
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| 00:18.56 | kingsley | Is it OK to have more than one DHCP server on a network? |
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| 00:19.43 | Wyzard | kingsley: If they're serving the same set of clients then they need to be configured to work together |
| 00:20.03 | He3r0 | have problems with wake on lan, "ethtool eth0" shows Wake-on: g but still it does not want to bootup, also what port wol works on as a default? |
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| 00:20.33 | Wyzard | kingsley: For a typical "works-out-of-the-box" DHCP server like you'd find in a home router, you don't want to have more than one of those |
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| 00:21.06 | kingsley | Wyzard: OK, thanks. |
| 00:22.20 | nothing2 | DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
| 00:22.24 | thesaint4444 | hi guys, I have been using ubuntu dapper LTS as my web server for the last year or so, I only use the command line and am soon going to set up another server, I was considering the merits of using debian, any advantages? thanks. |
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| 00:22.42 | kingsley | Wyzard: Do you happen to know how to configure net access under a live CD when the network's DHCP server's hard drive has crashed? |
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| 00:22.56 | richardwaite | ifconfig? |
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| 00:23.35 | Wyzard | kingsley: Pick an unused static IP in whatever address range the network uses |
| 00:23.36 | stew | thesaint4444: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 00:24.13 | quentusrex | Where do I go to get debug info for init.d? I am trying to start up a init.d script I wrote, but 'nothing happens' |
| 00:24.15 | thesaint4444 | stew: thanks.... |
| 00:24.28 | Nyle | Noven, ? |
| 00:24.34 | Nyle | nm |
| 00:24.43 | richardwaite | quentusrex: echo used generously? |
| 00:25.00 | quentusrex | richardwaite, what do you mean? |
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| 00:25.20 | quentusrex | do I use echo generously in the script? no. I don't use echo at all |
| 00:25.33 | richardwaite | well, its a script, so if you place echo statements thruout, you should be able to find the failure |
| 00:25.54 | stew | quentusrex: 'bash -x /etc/init.d/whatever start' or so |
| 00:26.15 | stew | no need for echo statements if you use 'bash -x' or put 'set -x' into the script |
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| 00:26.46 | ricosecada | How can I count how many installed packages from the console? |
| 00:26.50 | richardwaite | hmm .. i never knew of such a argument. learn something every day |
| 00:27.27 | quentusrex | I think I found the reason: start-stop-daemon --start --oknodo --make-pidfile /var/run/vlc.pid --background --pidfile /var/run/vlc.pid --startas /usr/sbin/vlc -- -I Telnet --vlm-conf /etc/vlc/vlm.conf -d |
| 00:27.28 | stew | ricosecada: aptitude search '~i' | wc -l |
| 00:27.47 | ricosecada | thanks stew |
| 00:28.03 | quentusrex | that's my 'start' command line |
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| 00:30.47 | quentusrex | found it thanks... |
| 00:31.53 | sparr_ | is there a bash-like shell in which a script can modify its parent's environment? |
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| 00:32.10 | kfb | Intel Core duo 2 processors can run 64 bit Debian ? |
| 00:32.16 | Wyzard | sparr_: No process can modify its parent's environment |
| 00:32.23 | Wyzard | kfb: yes, I'm running it on one right now |
| 00:32.46 | Bushmills | sparr_: run the script without starting it in a subshell |
| 00:33.31 | kfb | Wyzard: There is no way to upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit with apt is there ? I don't think so |
| 00:33.47 | Wyzard | kfb: No, you'd have to reinstall |
| 00:34.08 | kfb | Wyzard: what ISO do I need ? |
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| 00:34.18 | Wyzard | kfb: the -amd64 one instead of the -i386 one |
| 00:34.41 | Wyzard | kfb: ("-amd64" just refers to the name of the architecture, which AMD created but Intel also implements) |
| 00:34.47 | kfb | Wyzard: are there any disadvantages to running 64 bit Debian ? |
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| 00:35.01 | Wyzard | kfb: No 64-bit Flash plugin or Java plugin for browsers |
| 00:35.22 | Wyzard | kfb: Other than that, not much difference that I've run into |
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| 00:36.09 | Bushmills | yeah. programs tend to be larger, due to longer pointers and addresses |
| 00:36.41 | sparr_ | Bushmills: i really hate having to type "source " before i run it every time |
| 00:36.49 | poseidon | Where can I get a livecd for debian+kde? |
| 00:36.51 | Bushmills | sparr_: use . |
| 00:37.12 | kfb | Wyzard: so you haven't noticed any performance gains then ? |
| 00:37.16 | ru` | there's a 64-bit Gnash plugin |
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| 00:37.27 | kfb | ru`: oh really ? That sounds good |
| 00:37.36 | Wyzard | ru`: yeah, but Gnash doesn't work very well |
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| 00:37.40 | kfb | ru`: that's flash right ? |
| 00:37.43 | Wyzard | same goes for the free Java alternatives |
| 00:37.46 | ru` | Gnash works fine for YouTube, for example |
| 00:38.11 | Wyzard | ru`: I came across a Gnash review recently which mentioned YouTube as one of the *only* things that worked right |
| 00:38.32 | Wyzard | kfb: 64-bit doesn't magically make things faster |
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| 00:39.00 | ru` | Wyzard, I personally don't care about Flash anyway |
| 00:39.10 | ru` | it's useful to have if someone sends me a youtube URL |
| 00:39.24 | Wyzard | kfb: There may be a slight performance gain due to having more CPU registers available, but that's balanced out by the fact that pointers are twice as big so your cache memory doesn't hold as much |
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| 00:40.27 | Wyzard | kfb: There are bigger potential gains for programs that do things like random access to very large files, if the program is written to take advantage of the 64-bit environment, but few programs do that anyway |
| 00:40.57 | hell-jack | hey |
| 00:41.06 | hell-jack | i have hp deskjet 5740 |
| 00:41.09 | kfb | Wyzard: I see |
| 00:41.14 | hell-jack | how can i recognize to system |
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| 00:41.42 | Shirakawasuna | I'm not a debian user, but I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me whether the app 'windres' came bundled with binutils in debian. |
| 00:41.47 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: or programs that need to address large amounts of memory |
| 00:41.54 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/windres |
| 00:41.56 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:41.57 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 00:42.00 | Wyzard | but that's even less common |
| 00:42.14 | dondelelcaro | has quite a few processes running which need > 1G |
| 00:42.35 | hell-jack | ühelp me pls |
| 00:43.08 | sparr_ | wishes that #!source worked |
| 00:43.17 | sparr_ | Bushmills: takes just as much remembering as source |
| 00:43.44 | kfb | hell-jack: use CUPS and read the documentation on it |
| 00:43.57 | \amethyst | sparr_: I put #! source_me_please in my function libraries etc |
| 00:44.05 | hell-jack | where is the documentation ? |
| 00:44.06 | Bushmills | yes, memory is a precious commodity |
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| 00:44.30 | dokma | hi guys |
| 00:44.38 | dokma | my BIOS clock is set to GMT+1 |
| 00:44.49 | sparr_ | \amethyst: and? |
| 00:44.51 | dokma | but my KDE systray clock keeps adding the 2 hours to it |
| 00:44.53 | \amethyst | sparr_: so if I do accidentally execute them, I'll get an error message source_me_prease: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 00:44.58 | kfb | hell-jack: /usr/share/doc/cupsys I think |
| 00:44.59 | \amethyst | s/pre/ple/ |
| 00:45.09 | dokma | how do I tell my system my bios clock is not on UTC ? |
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| 00:45.34 | \amethyst | sparr_: you could make the script into a shell function instead, and ensure it's in some file that gets sourced |
| 00:45.37 | Bushmills | dokma: you might have set timezone plus keep local time in bios clock |
| 00:45.42 | sparr_ | imagine if we had a device designed for automating trivial data entry tasks. like typing the same thing before i run a program, every time. what would we call that functionality? |
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| 00:45.53 | Bushmills | i.e. adding 1 h twice |
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| 00:46.07 | dokma | Bushmills: I used tzselect |
| 00:46.13 | dokma | and set to europe -> zagreb |
| 00:46.19 | sparr_ | dokma: the real question, why wouldnt your bios clock be on utc? |
| 00:46.33 | Bushmills | dokma: "my BIOS clock is set to GMT+1" |
| 00:46.35 | Bushmills | see? |
| 00:46.50 | dokma | ohh |
| 00:46.50 | poseidon | How would I go about installing debian alongside windows with the kde enviroment isntead of gnome |
| 00:46.54 | dokma | I see what you mean |
| 00:46.59 | dokma | but theres a catch |
| 00:47.03 | dokma | with this setting |
| 00:47.08 | dokma | this is what I get from the shell |
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| 00:47.19 | dokma | vlatko@david:~$ date |
| 00:47.21 | dokma | Uto Tra 22 02:48:01 UTC 2008 |
| 00:47.27 | dokma | and it's correct |
| 00:47.34 | Wyzard | sparr_: because Windows doesn't support UTC clocks so it has to be set to local time on a dual-boot system |
| 00:47.38 | dokma | so my shell knows bios is on gmt+1 |
| 00:47.38 | Lagbolt | poseidon, dual boot? |
| 00:47.46 | dokma | actually |
| 00:47.48 | poseidon | lagbolt, yes |
| 00:47.50 | Deeps | Good evening, does anyone know where I can get a list of the packages installed through a minimal Etch install, without having to install it myself? |
| 00:47.53 | dokma | that is not correct |
| 00:47.55 | dokma | you're right |
| 00:48.01 | Bushmills | dokma: Tue Apr 22 00:47:47 UTC 2008 |
| 00:48.02 | Lagbolt | poseidon, windows already there? |
| 00:48.04 | dokma | that is my local time |
| 00:48.06 | dokma | not UTC |
| 00:48.08 | poseidon | lagbolt, yes |
| 00:48.15 | dokma | yeah |
| 00:48.19 | dokma | Bushmills: you're right |
| 00:48.24 | Lagbolt | poseidon, you would resize partition so you have space for debian install then use the kde debian installer |
| 00:48.24 | poseidon | lagbolt, I have it shrunk as well. I just have to make the partitions |
| 00:48.28 | dokma | let me quickly reboot and report back |
| 00:48.29 | Lagbolt | http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html |
| 00:49.05 | poseidon | lagbolt, I currently have openSuse installed in the free space. Will I be able to delete openSuse during the install? |
| 00:49.08 | Bushmills | dokma: one way to fix it is to set bios clock to utc, not to local time |
| 00:49.19 | Bushmills | and let timezone add your offset |
| 00:49.32 | Wyzard | dokma: Set UTC=yes or UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS |
| 00:49.40 | Lagbolt | poseidon, you can delete the partitions that openSuse is using and then repartition the space for linux, or you can just use the existing partitions and tell the installer to reformat them |
| 00:49.46 | Bushmills | the other is to tell system that your bios clock is local time |
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| 00:49.53 | lobak | hello |
| 00:50.06 | dokma | Wyzard: ohhh... |
| 00:50.08 | poseidon | Lagbolt, k thanks for your help :) |
| 00:50.10 | dokma | didn't know about that |
| 00:50.21 | Lagbolt | poseidon, i would recomend the kde 3.5 tho . . . notice 4.0 is experimental |
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| 00:50.38 | Bushmills | dokma: if you dual boot windows, local time is probably preferable. if you run linux/unixoids exclusively, UTC may be better |
| 00:51.04 | dokma | Bushmills: linux only here |
| 00:51.29 | dokma | Bushmills: any reason why UTC is better? |
| 00:51.48 | poseidon | Lagbolt, does debian 4.0r3 come with kde 4 | 3.5 ? |
| 00:51.56 | zinx | because UTC doesn't have singularities, among other things |
| 00:51.59 | Wyzard | poseidon: no |
| 00:52.07 | dokma | singularities? |
| 00:52.10 | lobak | im using xfce 4.4.2 on my debian etch..i think i am having problem with gtk 2 engine, because when i try to install gtkrc 2.0 theme for my xfce, it not changing into the theme it should be |
| 00:52.20 | dokma | any good reading about this? |
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| 00:52.26 | zinx | local time goes crazy during a timezone swap (at daylight / summer time changing) |
| 00:52.28 | dokma | I'm obviously uninformed |
| 00:52.29 | fas3r | it's possible to list right on tree folders, files ,etc to text ? ( not ls -al >> file.txt :) ) |
| 00:52.32 | Lagbolt | poseidon, be careful not to use any automatic partitioning or you might lose windows |
| 00:52.53 | dokma | zinx: so you're saying UTC does not have that problem? |
| 00:52.54 | Lagbolt | poseidon, that page is 3.5. . . the 4.0 is debian :) |
| 00:53.06 | Wyzard | poseidon: looks like etch has KDE 3.4 |
| 00:53.07 | zinx | dokma: correct |
| 00:53.11 | \amethyst | fas3r: what do you mean 'right'? you mean list the permissions |
| 00:53.12 | \amethyst | ? |
| 00:53.14 | dokma | check |
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| 00:53.17 | dokma | I go reboot |
| 00:53.20 | dokma | UTC=yes |
| 00:53.20 | et | dokma: when you just store utc, all that changes is the timezone |
| 00:53.23 | dokma | will set in bios |
| 00:53.28 | fas3r | \amethyst: yes permission sorry |
| 00:53.42 | lobak | i've installed the gtk2-engines-xfce and gtk2-engines and it seems not solving my problem |
| 00:53.42 | dokma | et: copy that |
| 00:53.48 | Lagbolt | Wyzard, the kde intsaller page is using 3.5.8 |
| 00:53.48 | fas3r | like fileacl on windows |
| 00:54.02 | et | just doesn't work when windows is involved |
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| 00:54.08 | fas3r | \amethyst: like fileacl on windows |
| 00:54.24 | \amethyst | fas3r: something like find . -printf "%M %f" or getfacl -R . |
| 00:54.25 | zinx | Windows really needs to support UTC time at some point |
| 00:55.46 | fas3r | \amethyst: i think find . -printf "%M %f" is more brutal :) |
| 00:56.02 | \amethyst | fas3r: oops, I forgot the \n at the end :) |
| 00:56.11 | fas3r | \amethyst: ;) |
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| 00:56.58 | fas3r | i need to migrate a domain in mine .. just i need to control go permission in homedir or other |
| 00:57.25 | fas3r | good* |
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| 00:59.21 | \amethyst | fas3r: you can use getfacl + setfacl probably (even if you don't have extended acl support, it can handle basic permissions) |
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| 00:59.31 | hellues | \paste |
| 00:59.42 | fas3r | \amethyst: |
| 00:59.47 | fas3r | \amethyst: oki |
| 01:00.28 | \amethyst | fas3r: the output of getfacl -R can be used as input to setfacl --restore file |
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| 01:00.37 | hellues | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/63970/ |
| 01:00.47 | hellues | i guess my system recognize my printer |
| 01:00.48 | fas3r | \amethyst: my best idea ( i think) is i create text file with result and i do a diff after on the same tree .. if it's not go it change permission |
| 01:00.53 | rodietze_away | any1 got Debian stable working with broadcom card? |
| 01:00.57 | hellues | pls look at the output of dmesg |
| 01:00.59 | black_13 | how do you trap all the boot up information to a file? |
| 01:01.03 | nevyn | ziyax: pm |
| 01:01.08 | hellues | why cant i use my printer |
| 01:01.18 | fas3r | if it's not good* |
| 01:01.35 | \amethyst | fas3r: getfacl and setfacl --restore will do that |
| 01:01.52 | fas3r | ok it's great :) |
| 01:02.05 | \amethyst | fas3r: cd olddir; getfacl -R > ~/saved; cd newdir; setfacl --restore ~/saved |
| 01:03.10 | poseidon | Anyone here use the rt73 driver? |
| 01:03.12 | fas3r | getfacl -R > ~/saved ( <-- it write in homedir that's right ? ) |
| 01:03.48 | fas3r | thank for your help \amethyst ;) |
| 01:04.07 | \amethyst | fas3r: yeah |
| 01:04.10 | Bushmills | poseidon: http://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=rt73 |
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| 01:05.03 | Bushmills | poseidon: polls have been automated already |
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| 01:06.24 | poseidon | Bushmills, I was more so seing how they isntalled it. I have noticed that I have to blacklist some of the other rt2x00 drivers to get the rt73 driver to work. |
| 01:06.40 | fas3r | a last question ( i other category :) ) how to use LVM crypt with netinstall ? after it create and crypt my partition i need to select my / . but i don't see my disk :) ... i need to install the OS in first and create the LVM after when the installation in done ? |
| 01:06.53 | Bushmills | oh. that's wasn't very evident from your question |
| 01:08.07 | poseidon | Bushmills, sorry I guess my question was a bit vague |
| 01:08.52 | fas3r | Bushmills: yes i know but i have lost 1 days ( the time it crypt partition) i don't want restart same mistask |
| 01:09.18 | Bushmills | me? |
| 01:09.19 | fas3r | but it's possilbe i crypt the / ? it's just that i don't understand ... |
| 01:09.50 | fas3r | Bushmills: sorry i think you answer me :) |
| 01:09.58 | quentusrex | if I ssh into a remote server, how do I copy a file back to my desktop? if my desktop doesn't have a public ip address? |
| 01:10.14 | Wyzard | fas3r: That long time you waited wasn't for encrypting anything, it was for securely erasing the old contents of the drive |
| 01:10.22 | Wyzard | fas3r: You don't need to do that a second time |
| 01:10.38 | \amethyst | quentusrex: use scp from the client side |
| 01:10.44 | fas3r | Wyzard: oki |
| 01:10.55 | \amethyst | quentusrex: scp user@server:somefile . |
| 01:11.02 | \amethyst | quentusrex: on the client side, that is |
| 01:11.05 | quentusrex | thanks |
| 01:11.30 | Wyzard | fas3r: Anyway, the encrypted volume should show up as another "partition" in the main partitioning screen |
| 01:11.42 | Wyzard | fas3r: Select that and pick "use as physical volume for LVM" |
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| 01:12.05 | Wyzard | fas3r: Keep in mind that you need to have your /boot on a plain partition, btw |
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| 01:12.19 | fas3r | oki |
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| 01:12.54 | Wyzard | fas3r: I'd suggest making three partitions: a small one (100MB is more than enough) for /boot, one for swapspace (encrypted with a random key), and one for your data (encrypted with a passphrase) |
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| 01:14.22 | fas3r | hum .. |
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| 01:15.30 | fas3r | have you an how to or other paper on that .. :s |
| 01:15.46 | Wyzard | no |
| 01:15.59 | Wyzard | but the partitioning tool isn't difficult to use |
| 01:16.04 | fas3r | it's possible to crypt the swapspace :) ? |
| 01:16.09 | Wyzard | yep |
| 01:16.12 | fas3r | Wyzard: yes |
| 01:16.25 | Wyzard | and choosing "random key" makes it generate a key randomly during bootup |
| 01:16.34 | Wyzard | which is kept only in RAM |
| 01:16.48 | Wyzard | so when you shut down, the key is forgotten and the contents of the swapspace can't be recovered |
| 01:16.55 | fas3r | it's just .. in this case .. during the setup it didn't see my disk ( where i install my / ) it's just that i don't understand .. |
| 01:17.06 | fas3r | Wyzard: oki |
| 01:17.23 | Wyzard | Didn't you say you already created an encrypted partition on your disk? |
| 01:17.43 | fas3r | yes .. |
| 01:17.59 | Wyzard | then what do you mean that the installer doesn't see your disk? |
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| 01:18.23 | fas3r | during netinstall for example |
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| 01:19.27 | fas3r | i'm ok on fact we format, create partition ( swap, and other) .. but if i choose to crypt directly my disk ( during the step with partman) after it didn't see my disk |
| 01:20.10 | fas3r | maybe i need to read more on LVM ... :/ |
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| 01:20.22 | Wyzard | Don't encrypt the raw disk; make a partition and encrypt that |
| 01:20.26 | scubacuda | anyone have any pointers on integrating AD (active directory) with IRC? |
| 01:20.32 | Wyzard | (Actually, make three partitions, as I mentioned) |
| 01:20.47 | fas3r | Wyzard: ok i testing tomorrox |
| 01:20.50 | fas3r | tomorrow |
| 01:21.40 | fas3r | Wyzard: you are the Wyzard on mysql :) ? |
| 01:22.06 | Wyzard | fas3r: I've used MySQL, though I don't really like it (PostgreSQL is better) |
| 01:22.15 | Lagbolt | fas3r, i just did an lvm cryptsetup . . . works no probs. you just need to make sure grub is configured correctly to see the devices |
| 01:22.15 | abrotman | scubacuda: to do what? |
| 01:22.20 | fas3r | i don't like SGBD :) |
| 01:22.25 | fas3r | it's simple for me :p |
| 01:22.35 | Lagbolt | fas3r, using with a laptop is a lil more tricky if you want to be able to resume from a hibernate |
| 01:22.36 | scubacuda | abrotman: something like a nickserv...but auth to AD |
| 01:22.51 | fas3r | Lagbolt: it's on server ( IBM ) |
| 01:22.52 | quentusrex | Anyone know the vlc command to output the pid into a file? |
| 01:22.54 | abrotman | scubacuda: that would largely depend on the ircd |
| 01:23.21 | fas3r | scubacuda: you speak about kerberos and windows AD aauthentification ? |
| 01:23.40 | scubacuda | abrotman: ok...i will look into that. i thoguht i might have ppl type in something like "/msg nickserv identify (password") and have it look at their AD login |
| 01:23.59 | scubacuda | fas3r: yeah, i guess so...not sure how to do it, jus tasking how it could be done. |
| 01:24.07 | Lagbolt | fas3r, yeah so you should have no trouble :) i just used bits and pieces from a couple of howto's debian encrypted/ debian encrypt on usb and a ubuntu site. works like a champ |
| 01:24.19 | hellues | how can i install csh/tcsh |
| 01:24.54 | abrotman | hellues: aptitude install tcsh ? |
| 01:24.59 | fas3r | Lagbolt: what :) (sorry .. my english is ... :) ) |
| 01:25.11 | hellues | hmm |
| 01:25.15 | abrotman | hellues: or csh .. whichever you prefer |
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| 01:25.42 | Lagbolt | fas3r, it is not too much trouble to setup. i used a debootstrap and installed it so everything was how i wanted it. what are you trying to do? |
| 01:25.43 | abrotman | hellues: aptitude search csh |
| 01:26.00 | fas3r | scubacuda: you want to use AD authentification to connect on irc channel ? |
| 01:26.08 | lydgate | ion is a really confusing wm |
| 01:26.37 | scubacuda | fas3r: yeah, sorta i guess |
| 01:26.49 | scubacuda | fas3r: i'd like to make sure that only ppl on an AD can connect to the server |
| 01:26.55 | scubacuda | fas3r: and im' not sure how exactly to do that. |
| 01:26.59 | fas3r | scubacuda: it's not possilbe you authenticate on the server not on your AD .. |
| 01:27.13 | abrotman | i'm not sure how the ircd+AD is relevant to debian |
| 01:27.15 | fas3r | Lagbolt: maybe just try and learn .. |
| 01:27.19 | fas3r | to test :) |
| 01:27.37 | Lagbolt | well i have a couple of links that are very useful |
| 01:27.49 | fas3r | why not :) |
| 01:28.20 | scubacuda | fas3r: ok...cool. |
| 01:28.30 | scubacuda | fas3r: i was hoping i could pass off auth |
| 01:28.36 | scubacuda | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.43 | scubacuda | fas3r: but i was hoping that someone could point me in the right dir |
| 01:28.44 | fas3r | scubacuda: maybe it's possible you control it before connection on the server |
| 01:28.58 | scubacuda | fas3r: ironically, i'm getting a lot of shit in the centos channel for thsi question! lol |
| 01:29.09 | fas3r | you dev a little plugin you need login and pass then irc program is launch and it's good for you :) |
| 01:29.29 | scubacuda | fas3r: ok... |
| 01:29.36 | scubacuda | fas3r: not sure what that means, but i suppose i'll find out |
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| 01:29.58 | Kurt2x | you guys notice any problems with ndiswrapper and debian packaged kernel 2.6.24-1? |
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| 01:30.14 | Kurt2x | on lenny |
| 01:31.34 | fas3r | stupid question |
| 01:31.36 | fas3r | :) |
| 01:31.38 | Kurt2x | yeah |
| 01:31.40 | Kurt2x | I guess so |
| 01:31.42 | fas3r | my turn ;) |
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| 01:32.12 | fas3r | if i use VPN (ipsec or other ) |
| 01:32.22 | lastnode | my icedove font size is really small, any idea where i can modify it? |
| 01:32.39 | abrotman | switch2 |
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| 01:32.59 | fas3r | it's not possible to see data who transport my vpn .. but it's possible to see the type .. if it's video,audio or just data .. ? |
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| 01:33.30 | Bushmills | fas3r: depends on where you look. in transit, not really, no. |
| 01:33.46 | Bushmills | on either end, before/after the tunnel, yes |
| 01:33.48 | mrec | hi, does anyone know how I can get the offset values of 'ÿÃÿáo' this string within a binary blob? |
| 01:33.51 | cellofellow | Where is the option to import CSV in phpMyAdmin? It's there in Ubuntu |
| 01:34.12 | cellofellow | But it seems to not be there in Etch's version. I'm confused. |
| 01:34.25 | abrotman | then you shouldn't use phpmyadmin |
| 01:34.45 | cellofellow | How do I import a CSV file into MySQL, then? |
| 01:35.02 | fas3r | Bushmills: if it's public website it's not the good way .. but if it's private to private (maybe me to work) it's good |
| 01:35.21 | abrotman | cellofellow: i'd imagine in the mysql docs there's a whole big section about importing stuff into mysql |
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| 01:36.07 | cellofellow | I thought that phpMyAdmin parsed the CSV file and then ran the SQL queries to input the data. |
| 01:36.32 | cellofellow | Oh, well, there's other ways. |
| 01:36.35 | abrotman | and? learn how to do it manually |
| 01:37.12 | Bushmills | fas3r: in transit, one wouldn't even see what type of transfer it is. i.e. http. ftp. pr whatever. |
| 01:37.14 | cellofellow | I just don't want to manually input hundreds of records into a table. |
| 01:37.17 | preds | cellofellow: http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?52,143888,143888 |
| 01:37.34 | SerajewelKS | cellofellow: use perl or sed or something |
| 01:37.39 | abrotman | cellofellow: you don't have to .. learn how to do it correctly |
| 01:37.41 | preds | there's tons of results for that on google, please use it |
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| 01:37.52 | fas3r | Bushmills: but we transit by the provider .. |
| 01:38.08 | Nyle | FATAL: SetIFFlags: Unknown interface eth1: Operation not supported |
| 01:38.10 | Bushmills | fas3r: just an encrypted data stream |
| 01:38.10 | Nyle | doh |
| 01:38.17 | preds | cellofellow: or go to #mysql too, although mysql is in debian, this isn't the right channel for that sort of questioning |
| 01:38.17 | abrotman | preds: THAT WAS HARD! |
| 01:38.27 | fas3r | Bushmills: oki |
| 01:38.40 | Nyle | don't shout |
| 01:38.46 | fas3r | maybe with 4048 key it's ok :) |
| 01:38.50 | cellofellow | but the ability to import CSV is in the Ubuntu version of phpMyAdmin. |
| 01:38.52 | abrotman | don't be a tard? |
| 01:39.04 | cellofellow | So, I thought it was a Debian-specif thing. |
| 01:39.10 | abrotman | cellofellow: it doesn't matter .. learn how to do it correctly .. stop relying on clicky things |
| 01:39.36 | cellofellow | I think you need to take a chill pill. Get off your hacker-high-horse. |
| 01:39.41 | Nyle | world is full of tards. have at it if you wanna yet at every one. |
| 01:39.43 | abrotman | it's not a high horse |
| 01:39.48 | Nyle | yell* |
| 01:39.51 | preds | cellofellow: cellofellow, look - in that case figure out what the version difference is. If ubuntu has a much newer version you can either check backports to see if debian has a newer version or download the source |
| 01:40.05 | abrotman | if you'd have asked google .. you'd have already solved the problem .. but you're so worried about how to click it in instead of actually learnning |
| 01:40.16 | Nyle | hey |
| 01:40.17 | cellofellow | whatever |
| 01:40.19 | Nyle | its cellofellow |
| 01:40.24 | cellofellow | hi |
| 01:40.24 | Nyle | whats up man |
| 01:41.03 | cellofellow | migrating my music cataloguing thing from one computer to another, that's what. |
| 01:41.18 | Nyle | I just use amarok and call it a day |
| 01:41.20 | Nyle | you? |
| 01:41.26 | cellofellow | this is sheetmusic |
| 01:41.29 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:41.35 | cellofellow | (Exaile for MP3s :) ) |
| 01:41.37 | Nyle | I got that shit all over my house |
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| 01:41.44 | Nyle | printouts and books and sheets ugh |
| 01:41.55 | Nyle | exaile ahah |
| 01:42.09 | Nyle | I tried it, went back to amarok myself. I like the way its itnerface is |
| 01:42.12 | Nyle | inter* |
| 01:42.20 | cellofellow | Same reason I use Exaile. |
| 01:42.25 | Nyle | ahah word |
| 01:42.45 | Nyle | so you having problems or what? |
| 01:43.13 | Nyle | someone said something to you about ubuntu, I hope you are not using ubuntu looking for debian support |
| 01:43.16 | Nyle | cuz that would suck |
| 01:43.24 | cellofellow | nope |
| 01:43.29 | Nyle | cool |
| 01:43.43 | cellofellow | I do use Ubuntu, but only ask Ubuntu questions in #ubuntu, don't worry. |
| 01:44.07 | preds | he saves #debian for questions that google answers :) |
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| 01:44.50 | cellofellow | Don't think I didn't try. |
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| 01:45.02 | preds | did you work it out from that forum link? |
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| 01:45.27 | Nyle | preds, quit teasin' :) |
| 01:45.38 | Nyle | hes probably already frustrated enough as it is with his problem |
| 01:45.53 | preds | 4 of the first 5 results for "mysql import csv" had the answer |
| 01:45.54 | Nyle | no need for assholes in here to make it worse (not saying you are just saying ) |
| 01:45.55 | Nyle | :D |
| 01:45.56 | abrotman | it's very easily solved |
| 01:46.07 | cellofellow | well, I thought it was a phpMyAdmin thing. |
| 01:46.12 | preds | anyway, problem solved consider it dropped |
| 01:46.25 | cellofellow | Sorry to be proven wrong and annoy a few people. |
| 01:46.29 | abrotman | cellofellow: it might be .. see if it has Suggests that you didn't install .. or check its documentation |
| 01:46.32 | Nyle | its all good |
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| 01:47.00 | epsilon | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.02 | epsilon | arg |
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| 01:50.52 | quentusrex | what's the command for update-rc.d so that an init.d script runs at runlevel 2? |
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| 01:51.26 | epsilon | read the manual |
| 01:51.32 | abrotman | !update-rc.de |
| 01:51.33 | abrotman | !update-rc.d |
| 01:51.33 | dpkg | update-rc.d is probably used to manipulate what's loaded when a system boots up. Also use it instead of deleting symlinks by hand Example to add: 'update-rc.d dhcpd defaults 90'. Example to remove: 'update-rc.d -f dhcpd remove', or read "man update-rc.d" for a good intro to Debian's boot process, or see rcconf NOT a tool that should be used by users, see the manpage. |
| 01:51.46 | epsilon | you can tell the runlevel for kill/strt |
| 01:52.57 | epsilon | > whois update-rc.de |
| 01:52.58 | epsilon | % Object "update-rc.de" not found in database |
| 01:53.01 | epsilon | hm |
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| 01:56.14 | subopt | I've got a shell script that needs to do some stuff via http. What do i set $HTTP_PROXY to in a standard workstation install that sits behind a NAT device? |
| 01:56.59 | nevyn | you don't |
| 01:57.00 | \amethyst | subopt: you don't need to if it's NAT |
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| 01:57.49 | \amethyst | you could make the scripts set the env variables then launch an interactive shell |
| 01:57.52 | \amethyst | doh |
| 01:57.56 | \amethyst | sorry |
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| 01:59.12 | quentusrex | if I want my script to start last, what NN should I use? |
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| 01:59.43 | ejb | Hi, I am trying to PXE boot the installer and I get an error message "Unable to locate configuration file" |
| 02:01.36 | abrotman | quentusrex: 99 |
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| 02:04.34 | ejb | Can anyone help? |
| 02:05.06 | abrotman | check the tftpd system logs |
| 02:05.24 | GhostlyDeath | Does anyone have a copy of the WINE .6x debs? |
| 02:05.38 | GhostlyDeath | err |
| 02:05.39 | quentusrex | how do I tell which runlevel debian is running at |
| 02:06.20 | subopt | How do i install a deb somewhere other than where it was intended to go? |
| 02:06.32 | dondelelcaro | subopt: you just unpack it then, you don't install it. |
| 02:06.36 | dondelelcaro | subopt: man dpkg-deb |
| 02:06.37 | Zelta | Is Ian Murdock related to Rupert Murdoch? |
| 02:06.41 | dondelelcaro | no |
| 02:06.48 | subopt | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 02:07.13 | abrotman | quentusrex: starts at 2 unless you did sometihng to make it do otherwise |
| 02:07.28 | Zelta | What are the differences and similarities between Ian and Rupert? |
| 02:07.31 | \amethyst | quentusrex: runlevel |
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| 02:07.55 | xoz | quentusrex: /etc/inittab ... look for the default level |
| 02:07.57 | dondelelcaro | Zelta: that has nothing to do with this channel; if you don't have a Debian-related question, kindly go elsewhere. |
| 02:08.11 | Zelta | Ian Murdock is related to debian |
| 02:08.12 | \amethyst | quentusrex: (/sbin/runlevel if it's not in your path). The second word is the current runlevel |
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| 02:09.25 | \amethyst | Zelta: you might try #solaris, since he's working for Sun now |
| 02:09.41 | abrotman | \amethyst: that's not nice |
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| 02:12.40 | preds | is it possible to run a redirect like cat file1 >> file2 using sudo? |
| 02:12.41 | hellues | how can i restart cu |
| 02:12.45 | hellues | cups* |
| 02:13.04 | preds | I always get permission denied and have to su |
| 02:13.18 | abrotman | hellues: /etc/init.d/cupsys restart ? |
| 02:13.59 | \amethyst | preds: sudo sh -c 'cat file1 >> file2' |
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| 02:14.21 | \amethyst | preds: the problem with sudo cat file1 >> file2 is that the redirection is performed by the shell before sudo even starts |
| 02:14.37 | \amethyst | preds: the version with sh -c tells sudo to launch a new shell, and to have that shell do the redirection |
| 02:14.49 | Kurt2x | hey abrotman remember my ndiswrapper problem earlier... there is something wrong with the debian package of 2.6.24-1-486 kernel..... as soon as I switched to 2.6.24-1-k7 it worked fine |
| 02:15.20 | abrotman | that's odd .. since 2.6.24-1-k7 pulls 2.6.24-1-686 :) |
| 02:15.28 | xoz | preds: or sudo bash... then do all root related commands |
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| 02:17.02 | Kurt2x | yeah I switched it to 686 |
| 02:17.11 | Kurt2x | I was using 486 and had all the ndiswrapper problems |
| 02:17.51 | Kurt2x | ndiswrapper installed fine and everthing I could scan my access point and all that junk, but it REFUSED to actually get an ip address from the AP |
| 02:18.35 | hellues | hey |
| 02:18.46 | hellues | i have a hp deskjet 5740 printer |
| 02:19.04 | hellues | are there a exact driver that matches with this printer |
| 02:19.07 | abrotman | if it doesn't print, is it really a printer? |
| 02:19.45 | hellues | yes it is printer |
| 02:19.46 | hellues | .D |
| 02:20.43 | xoz | hellues: google cups deskjet 5740 |
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| 02:23.33 | token_macguy | Is there anything like a print driver that will let me email a document to another recipient? |
| 02:24.30 | WaffleMatt | ... could you just email it to them? |
| 02:24.51 | token_macguy | its something i do so much i'm looking for some ways to speed the process up. |
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| 02:26.24 | token_macguy | there are proprietary programs that do the same thing, but i'd really like to try something open source. |
| 02:26.37 | xoz | token_macguy: is it like printing but redirected to a pipe which becomes input to a mail system? |
| 02:26.53 | xoz | explain more |
| 02:26.57 | Guerin | token_macguy: certainly possible, but you'd spend more time engineering a solution than you'd save |
| 02:27.20 | xoz | maybe he is talking about filters |
| 02:27.21 | hackeron | I have 2 internet connections on 2 separate network interfaces - both external IPs are mapped to 2 dyndns hostnames but I can only ping and ssh to one a time :( -- I need to route del default gw and add the gateway for each connection separately but I can't ssh to both no matter what I do - any ideas? |
| 02:27.30 | token_macguy | if i spent two days doing something to speed it up by two minutes, it'd probably pay for itself in two months. |
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| 02:27.46 | Guerin | it takes you two minutes to attach a file to an email and send? |
| 02:27.48 | \amethyst | token_macguy: maybe this http://info.iet.unipi.it/~luigi/FreeBSD/cups.html |
| 02:27.55 | InRainbows | what's the best ftp server? i'm having issues with vsftpd |
| 02:28.07 | Guerin | InRainbows: vsftpd is the best. |
| 02:28.09 | asg | !best |
| 02:28.09 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 02:28.25 | asg | uuencodes Guerin |
| 02:28.28 | abrotman | proftpd isn't bad either |
| 02:28.40 | abrotman | asg: don't do that, he'll get you pregnant! |
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| 02:28.45 | Guerin | proftp is byzantine |
| 02:28.50 | \amethyst | token_macguy: though that version seems to just put the PDF in a web directory and email a link to the document (rather than attaching it) |
| 02:28.52 | InRainbows | hmm |
| 02:28.53 | token_macguy | i'd loke something that sends the pdf to my customers, rather than back at me. |
| 02:28.56 | asg | abrotman: I'll use mimedefang |
| 02:29.16 | abrotman | asg: eww that's not going to be pretty |
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| 02:29.28 | asg | abrotman: no, dribbly perhaps |
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| 02:29.30 | Guerin | token_macguy: i still don't get why it takes more than 15 seconds |
| 02:29.40 | token_macguy | in short, webmail |
| 02:29.44 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:29.49 | token_macguy | plus its more than zero clicks. |
| 02:30.00 | Guerin | fix that problem and you obviate the need for this sort of rube goldbergism |
| 02:30.02 | \amethyst | token_macguy: set up a mailing list and have it use that as the email addres, instead of yours |
| 02:30.28 | token_macguy | i don't think it would fly to have every one of my customers proofs go to every other one of my customers. |
| 02:30.31 | abrotman | bah .. just stuff the stuff in an envelope and mail them! |
| 02:30.39 | enouf | just bcc them |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:30.47 | Guerin | ... |
| 02:30.54 | \amethyst | token_macguy: oh, so you also want the print dialog to ask you for an email address? |
| 02:31.07 | token_macguy | \amethyst: exactly |
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| 02:31.20 | \amethyst | that would be more complicated |
| 02:31.27 | Guerin | \amethyst: sorry, that violates the `zero clicks' requirement |
| 02:31.52 | abrotman | besides .. Jeff Bezos has patented the Zero Click process |
| 02:31.58 | Guerin | token_macguy: why are you using webmail? |
| 02:32.15 | Guerin | token_macguy: that's ultimately the root of your fuckup here |
| 02:32.15 | asg | abrotman: but he hasn't written an O'Reilly book about it so he sucks |
| 02:32.17 | token_macguy | Guerin: of course it would be super if i could have a way for my workstation to read my mind (or better yet, infvoices) and fill that out for me, but i'm willing to settle for having to provide the email addresses |
| 02:32.21 | xoz | token_macguy: http://aplawrence.com/Unixart/dhemailprinter.html |
| 02:32.36 | abrotman | asg: it's probably being proofed by some kid with a Kinder |
| 02:32.37 | xoz | token_macguy: or google for "print to email" |
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| 02:33.03 | xoz | token_macguy: just filters |
| 02:33.10 | asg | abrotman: Kinder Kare proofreading is illegal in .us ... or did he outsource to .cn |
| 02:33.32 | abrotman | asg: i don't know a single person who has bought one of those things |
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| 02:33.54 | asg | abrotman: me neither, that's what books are for |
| 02:33.57 | enouf | wait.. where's my Email to Friend option in my bloated browser menus .. ugh! |
| 02:33.58 | \amethyst | token_macguy: KDE seems to have a 'Mail PDF file' print driver, though I don't know of anything similar for gnome |
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| 02:34.06 | abrotman | asg: or online reading .. or printers :) |
| 02:34.16 | asg | abrotman: or lulu |
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| 02:34.38 | abrotman | asg: maybe you just need a touch screen terminal in the can |
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| 02:34.47 | asg | abrotman: no need, I have an iPhone |
| 02:35.00 | enouf | film at eleven |
| 02:35.07 | abrotman | asg: you need mroe gadgets |
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| 02:35.41 | ejb | does anyone have experience with PXE booting? |
| 02:35.42 | heatman | Hello. Does anyone know what needs to be finx in this problem: http://pastebin.com/mbe9914 so that i can gain access to multiple website on the same http server from outside the internal network? |
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| 02:35.52 | asg | abrotman: no, I've downsized. One phone, One laptop, and a SLUG for everything else. |
| 02:36.01 | abrotman | asg: no more router? |
| 02:36.10 | xoz | ejb: yep... you need luck and patience from my experience. |
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| 02:36.50 | abrotman | asg: i did that years ago .. i do miss the SGI still .. but the rest of it i'm glad is gone |
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| 02:37.00 | xoz | ejb: some pxe's work... some needs a different kernel. |
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| 02:38.23 | asg | abrotman: I have a crappy soho thingy but will replace it with another SLUG when I get off my ass. |
| 02:38.43 | abrotman | asg: if you're not doing anything complicated .. the linksys thingies work fine |
| 02:39.07 | abrotman | pushes asg down the stairs |
| 02:39.13 | asg | abrotman: wotch it |
| 02:39.23 | abrotman | watches asg roll |
| 02:39.39 | heatman | lol |
| 02:40.02 | asg | abrotman: more like bounce, though some latent ninja skills caused me to grab the banister and slow the decent. |
| 02:40.03 | abrotman | heatman: your logs tell you what is wrong |
| 02:40.07 | ejb | xoz, hmm, ok. |
| 02:40.21 | abrotman | asg: good thing you didn't get your arm caught in the spindles and crack it in half! |
| 02:40.23 | heatman | abrotman: which log in particular? |
| 02:40.29 | abrotman | the one you pasted |
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| 02:40.56 | abrotman | heatman: really it's a #apache question .. but "mixing * ports and non-* ports with a NameVirtualHost address is not supported, proceeding with undefined results" |
| 02:40.56 | heatman | abrotman: aye but i have no clue what i have to do lol! |
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| 02:41.24 | heatman | ahhh.... ppl from apache wanted me to consult ppl from deb/ubuntu |
| 02:41.29 | asg | abrotman: had that happened, I'd be typing like most people in here. |
| 02:41.35 | abrotman | heatman: i have no idea why |
| 02:41.45 | abrotman | asg: wot u meen? |
| 02:42.00 | ejb | xoz, I am having pathing issues. It fails on loading the config file from pxelinux.cfg/ |
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| 02:42.04 | abrotman | heatman: but i get the feeling you're running ubuntu and not debian .. |
| 02:42.06 | asg | abrotman: erf i gobo fu |
| 02:42.09 | heatman | abrotman: you have a deb example for the http.conf to prevent this mix of ports non port |
| 02:42.20 | heatman | heatman: lol no im running etch! |
| 02:42.29 | abrotman | abrotman: HAHAH good one |
| 02:42.39 | ejb | xoz, and that's strange because the initial bootloader loads fine |
| 02:42.50 | abrotman | heatman: no, i don't have an example, that's why i said it was a #apache question .. and it tells you it's not supported |
| 02:43.01 | keith4__ | ejb: i just saw someone with this problem last week |
| 02:43.04 | abrotman | asg: did you just go to bed? |
| 02:43.13 | xoz | ejb: yep. hppened to me. what docs are you following? debian has tutorial for this |
| 02:43.14 | ejb | keith4, did they resolve it? |
| 02:43.16 | abrotman | hopes that isn't what asg said |
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| 02:43.30 | ejb | xoz, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s06.html.en |
| 02:43.32 | keith4__ | ejb: I swear it was the addition of "next-server" to dhcpd.conf, but i can't be sure |
| 02:43.33 | Kurt2x | cp |
| 02:43.52 | ejb | keith4, ok, will do. I actually took that out... |
| 02:44.42 | keith4__ | i think it's a Known Bug? |
| 02:44.51 | xoz | ejb: try bootp or dhcp... one of them i think may work. |
| 02:45.10 | ejb | xoz, I am using dhcp |
| 02:45.23 | ejb | keith4, W00T, it worked =) |
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| 02:46.40 | xoz | ejb: maybe that explains why bootp workd while dhcp failed.. that next-server thingy should be in the docs. |
| 02:46.55 | ejb | xoz, it is :o |
| 02:47.18 | xoz | now, ill no longer call it a luck but a lack of docs. |
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| 02:47.56 | asg | abrotman: no, smoke, beer, and painkillers |
| 02:48.13 | xoz | ejb: nope, next-server is in the docs |
| 02:48.19 | abrotman | asg: i thought "gobo fu" was "go to bed fuck you" :) |
| 02:48.29 | keith4__ | just did a fresh netinst on brand-new hardware, reboot after the installation, and get "booting grub stage1.5read error" |
| 02:48.35 | ejb | xoz, I said that ^ ;) |
| 02:48.42 | asg | abrotman: haha, no. Gobo fu is leet fragglish |
| 02:48.57 | abrotman | !singishsmite asg |
| 02:49.02 | abrotman | !singlishsmite asg |
| 02:49.02 | dpkg | asg: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
| 02:49.20 | abrotman | wtf are the painkillers for? |
| 02:49.41 | asg | abrotman: the falling down the stairs portion of Sunday night |
| 02:49.52 | Guerin | asg: beer and gravity don't mix |
| 02:49.54 | abrotman | asg: dude .. how many stairs do you have? |
| 02:50.49 | asg | abrotman: enough to need painkillers when you fall down them I suppose. |
| 02:51.01 | abrotman | thinks mrs asg is a mean old hag! |
| 02:51.18 | asg | abrotman: nah, though she did turn 40 recently |
| 02:51.35 | abrotman | asg: oh .. sorry .. please tell her not to hunt me down and kill me |
| 02:51.50 | asg | Guerin: I blame the Asian Fusion (TM) place's lack of coffee |
| 02:52.00 | abrotman | seriously .. that was the name? |
| 02:52.44 | Guerin | htf can an asian fusion place not serve coffee? |
| 02:52.49 | asg | abrotman: Jade: Asian Fusion |
| 02:53.10 | abrotman | Guerin: welcome to the usa? :) |
| 02:53.20 | Guerin | fail |
| 02:53.48 | asg | Guerin: after much discussion, they did finally arrive with a cup (probably from the coffee shop downstairs). Then I asked for cream and they didn't have any but assured me they would make inquiries. |
| 02:54.30 | Guerin | hah |
| 02:54.51 | abrotman | then they went next door to the tractor supply and got a cow |
| 02:55.10 | Nyle | Guerin, |
| 02:55.13 | Guerin | ... if only they could have done that during the dinner course! |
| 02:55.19 | \amethyst | This tractor supply has Super Cow Powers |
| 02:55.28 | Guerin | Nyle: |
| 02:55.34 | asg | abrotman: no, this is in a ritzy part of redneckville. The cows were driven north to make way for the Interstate. |
| 02:55.44 | abrotman | asg: bastards! |
| 02:55.47 | Nyle | man |
| 02:55.52 | Nyle | I miss redneckville. |
| 02:56.03 | Nyle | I hate stuck up snobby new yorkers :/ |
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| 02:56.08 | abrotman | then move |
| 02:56.12 | Guerin | Nyle: they hate you too |
| 02:56.31 | asg | Nyle: no, you don't ... unless you mean that full-nude place in SC. Best burger ever, not the best strippers though. |
| 02:56.31 | abrotman | asg: you probably have llama farms near you too :) |
| 02:56.37 | Nyle | Guerin, no they don't. Thats the sad part. They hate everyone, including each other. |
| 02:56.41 | asg | abrotman: or alpaca |
| 02:56.52 | Guerin | Nyle: ok. So they hate everyone, but not you? |
| 02:57.13 | Nyle | asg, well, don't care about rest of the world, New Orleans. That my city man. Ain't nothing got nothin' on N.O |
| 02:57.21 | Nyle | Guerin, including me |
| 02:57.42 | Nyle | Guerin, I meant not just me |
| 02:58.00 | Nyle | asg, 'cept Katrina |
| 02:58.08 | Nyle | Katrina got something on N.O. |
| 02:58.10 | asg | Nyle: of course |
| 02:58.13 | Nyle | heh |
| 02:58.45 | Guerin | watch the number of USian kids named `Katrina' drop throught he floor |
| 02:58.50 | Nyle | and actually, the more I hang out in manhattan, the more I like new york |
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| 02:58.59 | Nyle | its not that bad there |
| 02:59.11 | asg | Nyle: I've had decent calamari there |
| 02:59.20 | Nyle | oh some of the best mate |
| 02:59.22 | Nyle | some of the best |
| 02:59.37 | Nyle | mmm fried calamari |
| 02:59.48 | amphi | mmm |
| 02:59.57 | Nyle | amphi, hey my main man |
| 03:00.02 | Nyle | homie dude bro man dog |
| 03:00.29 | amphi | er, guten abend, herr Nyle |
| 03:00.46 | Nyle | amphi, you ever tried using kde4 w/ compiz-confusion? |
| 03:01.07 | amphi | Nyle: I have never used kde (or gnome for that matter) |
| 03:01.08 | preds | \amethyst: thanks, I forgot I asked that question 45 mins ago :) |
| 03:01.14 | Nyle | amphi, are all the effects achieved through kwin? what if you run kde4 and then compiz-fusion wm on top? |
| 03:01.28 | Nyle | amphi, why did I think you were a kde man |
| 03:01.31 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:01.48 | amphi | Nyle: I have no idea - I believe kde4 does some compositing of its own |
| 03:01.50 | Nyle | amphi, Kya haal hai? |
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| 03:02.03 | Nyle | amphi, which is why I'm asking if they conflict or not. |
| 03:02.20 | Nyle | I asked in kde they said to ask in compiz fusion and i have not had a chance to go there yet |
| 03:02.40 | asg | Nyle: the one thing about nobby new yorkers is that they are all moving down here and infiltrating the bars so I get hockey on TV instead of bowling. |
| 03:02.44 | amphi | Nyle: try running compiz --replace and see what happens; there might be an amusing squabble |
| 03:02.45 | Nyle | I want to get compiz fusion up and running on this new box before I go there and tinker with kde4 |
| 03:03.01 | Nyle | asg, ugh |
| 03:03.03 | Nyle | fuck hockey |
| 03:03.05 | Guerin | who the fuck would watch bowling on TV |
| 03:03.06 | Guerin | jeesus |
| 03:03.12 | Guerin | it's near as bad as golf |
| 03:03.14 | Nyle | who the fuck watches ice hockey anymore in usa |
| 03:03.23 | Nyle | thats that canadian bullshit I tell ya |
| 03:03.31 | Nyle | you got anything but football in a bar im at |
| 03:03.33 | Nyle | i'll kick your ass |
| 03:03.41 | Nyle | don't fuck with the jukebox, don't put on gay music |
| 03:03.45 | Nyle | and don't fuck with my football |
| 03:03.54 | Nyle | or NASCAR |
| 03:03.56 | Nyle | for that matter |
| 03:04.01 | Guerin | Nyle: you mean the game where only one player in a team of 53 actualkly touches their foot to the ball at any point during the match? |
| 03:04.03 | twobitsprite | Nyle, ice hockey is very popular here in NC |
| 03:04.12 | Guerin | oh! and circle-driving |
| 03:04.18 | Guerin | boringest sport of all time |
| 03:04.19 | Nyle | hehehe :) |
| 03:04.28 | Nyle | its not about that |
| 03:04.31 | Nyle | its about betting on games |
| 03:04.33 | asg | Guerin: and that one person actually played football in college |
| 03:04.33 | Nyle | drinkin beers |
| 03:04.37 | Nyle | having bbq |
| 03:04.38 | Nyle | w/e |
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| 03:05.05 | asg | twobitsprite: we did win the cup not too long ago |
| 03:05.20 | Nyle | Guerin, yeh why the hell did they name it 'football' |
| 03:05.26 | Nyle | it has nothin to do with thier foot |
| 03:05.41 | Nyle | and the rest of the world's football is called soccer |
| 03:05.50 | Nyle | thats some of the most moronic shit i've ever heard |
| 03:05.55 | Guerin | Nyle: because it's derived from a game derived from a game derived from a game called football, which is actually played with the feet |
| 03:06.04 | Nyle | Guerin, heh |
| 03:06.09 | Guerin | you might have heard it called `soccer', but this is erroneous |
| 03:06.14 | asg | Soccer sounds like 'wife beating' |
| 03:07.11 | Nyle | I like wife beaters |
| 03:07.17 | Nyle | thats mostly all I wear during summer |
| 03:07.25 | Nyle | after work and on weekends |
| 03:07.25 | dondelelcaro | points to #debian-offtopic.... |
| 03:07.31 | asg | nods |
| 03:07.32 | Nyle | right on. |
| 03:07.38 | xoz | yep |
| 03:08.43 | Nyle | hm |
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| 03:08.46 | Nyle | party pooper :) |
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| 03:37.39 | keith4__ | so... new motherboard, nforce chipset... using etch, most stuff shows up as "nvidia corporation unknown device". should I just go to lenny? |
| 03:38.22 | stew | keith4__: no, just run 'update-pciids' |
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| 03:39.27 | keith4__ | well, i was merely using that as an indication of how new the hardware is and/or how stale etch is feeling |
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| 03:39.47 | stew | keith4__: you can get a newer kernel from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 03:40.11 | keith4__ | nvidia non-free driver still in sid but not lenny? |
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| 03:41.09 | keith4__ | stew: now it knows the audio chip and the usb controller, but nothing more :-( |
| 03:42.17 | stew | keith4__: there is probably not much you can do about that but wait |
| 03:42.48 | keith4__ | well, it's not exactly a mission-critical system... i'm going to go for lenny |
| 03:42.54 | keith4__ | i always enjoy an adventure |
| 03:43.29 | stew | keith4__: since you just got the latest pciids (probably newer than what lenny has), you should not expect lenny to know any more about your devices |
| 03:43.54 | keith4__ | well, crap |
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| 03:48.57 | stew | keith4__: this shouldn't affect anything you want to do, its just whether or not you get easy to read strings |
| 03:49.02 | meeero | i'd like to write a little shellscript which returns 0 when a line in a file is equal to a string.. e.g: |
| 03:49.23 | Lagbolt | meeero, a file is = to a string? |
| 03:49.28 | Lagbolt | meeero, the file name? |
| 03:49.29 | meeero | if((tail -n 1) == 123) fi |
| 03:49.30 | meeero | or something |
| 03:49.36 | meeero | well, it's about this: |
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| 03:49.48 | meeero | i want to execute a command - but only, if the last line of a file matches a string |
| 03:50.06 | Lagbolt | ah ok |
| 03:50.07 | ezack420 | plz join sk8t3rs plz |
| 03:50.16 | meeero | so if the last line of a file is for example "123", then the command should be executed. i thought about: the_check_script && the_command |
| 03:50.35 | meeero | so due to the && the command will be executed only when the command before returns no error |
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| 03:51.17 | meeero | any ideas? i'm not really good in shellscripting |
| 03:51.21 | WaffleMatt | meeero, yeah easy |
| 03:51.29 | meeero | i know ;) but not for me |
| 03:51.41 | \amethyst | meeero: if [ "$(tail -n 1 file)" = "123" ]; then command; fi |
| 03:51.44 | meeero | the command should be as short as possible... so i don't need a huge shellscript |
| 03:51.48 | Lagbolt | yeah meeero |
| 03:51.55 | \amethyst | meeero: or [ "$(tail -n 1 file)" = "123" ] && command |
| 03:51.56 | WaffleMatt | meeero, if [ `tail -n 1 /var/log/messages` == "your string" ]; then \amethyst alrady finished typing |
| 03:52.08 | meeero | muhah :> you guys are awesome |
| 03:52.08 | \amethyst | the quotes are important |
| 03:52.47 | stew | meeero: if you really want something that returns 0, use [[ $(tail -1 filename) = "somestring" ]] |
| 03:53.07 | meeero | i think [ "$(tail -n 1 file)" = "123" ] && command does it pretty fine |
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| 03:53.45 | meeero | just one last thing: how can i insert at the very last line that string into a file? e.g. if the file is 5MB of size, it should append \n123 to the file or something, so that this little script can compare it later |
| 03:54.18 | \amethyst | meeero: echo 123 >> file |
| 03:54.27 | WaffleMatt | Yeah, the >> operator appends |
| 03:54.33 | \amethyst | that appends 123\n not \n123; it assumes there is already a newline at EOF |
| 03:54.40 | meeero | eh, so >> appends and > appends + purges the file |
| 03:54.49 | \amethyst | meeero: >> appends, > overwrites |
| 03:54.51 | meeero | dind't know that, thanks :) |
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| 03:57.16 | teer | hello, can someone please help identify this kind of FC connector? http://i3.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/ea/53/f0db_3.JPG |
| 03:57.53 | stew | teer: ask #hardware |
| 03:58.03 | teer | stew, thanks |
| 03:58.42 | heatman | are old 5.25 floppis still support in etch? |
| 03:59.33 | keith4__ | wow |
| 03:59.37 | keith4__ | seriously? |
| 03:59.46 | heatman | lol yeah |
| 04:00.13 | snogglethorpe | why not... |
| 04:00.28 | snogglethorpe | (my pc has a 5.25 floppy drive!) |
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| 04:01.06 | keith4__ | a floppy controller is a floppy controller, right? |
| 04:01.11 | heatman | just wondering... got some old floppies here and i need to go thru them.... aye but something in xp that dont recognize 5.25.... on mine anyways |
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| 04:03.22 | meeero | eh..how do i delete the last line in a file? e.g. that 123 |
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| 04:05.54 | keith4__ | dunno, but "head -n -1 /path/to/file > /path/to/newfile" will give you all *but* the last line in a new file |
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| 04:07.06 | meeero | hmm.. |
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| 04:10.00 | snogglethorpe | sed '$d' will do the same thing |
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| 04:10.37 | snogglethorpe | and of course if you trust ed with your file, you can use $d with ed too... |
| 04:11.25 | snogglethorpe | e.g., echo -e '$d\nw' | ed FILENAME |
| 04:12.08 | snogglethorpe | (though ed's annoyingly verbose) |
| 04:12.44 | snogglethorpe | ahh... gnu ed has a --quiet option! |
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| 04:13.05 | \amethyst | standard ed has -s |
| 04:13.10 | meeero | i just tried sed "s/123//" -i file |
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| 04:13.32 | Lagbolt | meeero, you could do a line count and then head -n NumLines-1 lol |
| 04:13.43 | Lagbolt | if you want to get rid of last line |
| 04:13.58 | snogglethorpe | meeero: ahh.. yeah, sed -i is probably the best bet |
| 04:14.04 | Lagbolt | oh wait |
| 04:14.10 | snogglethorpe | sed -i '$d' FILENAME |
| 04:14.10 | Lagbolt | meero head -n -1 |
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| 04:14.21 | Lagbolt | that gives all but last line |
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| 04:14.52 | snogglethorpe | about 2,347 different ways to do it... :-) |
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| 04:15.15 | meeero | hm, the string could appear twice or more, so i'd use head |
| 04:15.52 | meeero | but i'd like the inputfile to be the outfile, but head -n -1 file > file ...purges "file" instead of replacing it |
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| 04:15.56 | keith4__ | dpkg doesn't have verbose output? |
| 04:16.19 | Lagbolt | meeero, mv FILE FILE.tmp |
| 04:16.22 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 04:16.33 | Lagbolt | head -n -1 FILE.tmp > FILE |
| 04:16.34 | snogglethorpe | meeero: what does "the string" have to do with deleting th elast line in the file |
| 04:16.36 | snogglethorpe | ? |
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| 04:16.57 | snogglethorpe | meeero: use sed |
| 04:17.12 | snogglethorpe | sed -i '$d' FILENAME |
| 04:17.20 | snogglethorpe | i'm not sure how you can get much simpler than that... |
| 04:17.27 | meeero | i thought sed -i .. just replaces the contents? so if 123 appears more than once in the file, it becomes replaced everytime |
| 04:17.35 | snogglethorpe | meeero: huh? |
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| 04:17.40 | snogglethorpe | meeero: sed is an editor |
| 04:17.47 | snogglethorpe | the sed "d" command deletes a line |
| 04:17.48 | Tramp | meeero: sed '$d' removes the last line - what is your question? |
| 04:17.48 | meeero | i didn't get it because i don't know what $d stands for |
| 04:17.55 | snogglethorpe | $d means "delete the last line" |
| 04:18.05 | meeero | yeh, now i kow :> |
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| 04:18.51 | Tramp | meeero: "info sed" more information about sed |
| 04:19.46 | keith4__ | so, i'm trying to install a package, and it fails without any useful output. how can i get useful output? |
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| 04:20.29 | \amethyst | meeero: another possibility would be sed '$ { /^123$/ d }' # delete the last line only if it is "123" |
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| 04:25.03 | Tr0gd0r | I have a quick question |
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| 04:25.28 | Tr0gd0r | if I have a file named pid.pid that has a pid in it. How can I make a script to kill the pid in the pid.pid file? |
| 04:25.47 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: kill $(<pid.pid) |
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| 04:26.00 | Tr0gd0r | thanks |
| 04:26.00 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: or, more portably, kill $(cat pid.pid) |
| 04:27.10 | \amethyst | a process on the local machine? |
| 04:27.12 | \amethyst | doh |
| 04:27.17 | \amethyst | wrong channe |
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| 04:28.41 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: it's probably a good idea to check that the process name is what you expect, in case it's a stale pidfile and something else has taken the old PID |
| 04:30.30 | kingsley | Is there a DHCP server which can be configured to assign network information based on the MAC address that a request comes from? |
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| 04:31.09 | \amethyst | kingsley: most of them can |
| 04:31.22 | \amethyst | kingsley: I use dhcp3-server for tha |
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| 04:32.32 | \amethyst | kingsley: for example, I have in my dhcpd.conf the block host wii { hardware ethernet 00:0b:etcetc; fixed-address wii.home2; } |
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| 04:33.56 | kingsley | \amethyst: Thanks. From your experience in these matters, do you happen to know if it's possible to install a second, backup, DHCP server on a network, to provide network information to a live CD running on the primary DHCP server after a hard disk failure? |
| 04:35.07 | \amethyst | kingsley: maybe if you make it only talk to the primary DHCP server |
| 04:35.23 | \amethyst | kingsley: you probably don't want the backup answering queries while the primary is up |
| 04:36.08 | \amethyst | kingsley: hm, it looks like dhcpd3 has some kind of failover support mentioned in the manpage |
| 04:36.35 | \amethyst | kingsley: I haven't dealt with that, though |
| 04:36.49 | kingsley | \amethyst: Yes, I'm considering configuring the second DHCP server to only provide network info to requests from the primary server's MAC address. |
| 04:37.24 | \amethyst | kingsley: this failover stuff looks even better, as the backup can take over for the primary, and then pass the info about new leases etc back to the primary when it's up |
| 04:37.31 | \amethyst | kingsley: at least, if I'm reading the manpage correctly |
| 04:37.38 | Kevin` | is the debian arm eabi port available in etch? lenny? |
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| 04:39.30 | kingsley | \amethyst: Yes, that seems likr better functionality, although, at least in my case, switching my primary server to dhcpd3 would entail some work. |
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| 04:47.06 | Tr0gd0r | is #!/bin/bash required on scripts? |
| 04:47.14 | nevyn | depends |
| 04:47.26 | nevyn | if they're bash scripts then yes. |
| 04:47.38 | Tr0gd0r | -bash: ./run_css_gg: /bin/bash^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory |
| 04:47.40 | Kevin` | Tr0gd0r: if you are running the script directly as a program yes. that line determine what runs it |
| 04:47.44 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: #! /some/interpreter is required. It could be /bin/bash, /bin/sh, /usr/bin/perl |
| 04:47.49 | nevyn | if they're true posix sh scripts then you should use #!/bin/sh |
| 04:47.53 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: it's a DOS-format file... convert it to Unix |
| 04:47.55 | kingsley | Tr0gd0r: Not if /bin/sh is linked to bash. |
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| 04:48.12 | \amethyst | kingsley: even then, you need #! /bin/bash to use some bash features |
| 04:48.26 | \amethyst | kingsley: because bash uses a more conservative syntax if invoked as #! /bin/sh |
| 04:48.26 | Kevin` | Tr0gd0r: looks like you have extra crap on that line |
| 04:48.35 | Tr0gd0r | well how would I make it unix? |
| 04:48.51 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: dos2unix < script > script.new |
| 04:49.13 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: that's in package 'tofrodos' |
| 04:49.21 | Tr0gd0r | well I cant install anything |
| 04:49.27 | abrocadabro | is there a way to prevent sendmail from sending emails to a certain email address if that email contains specific keywords? |
| 04:49.28 | Tr0gd0r | is it something nano or vi can do? |
| 04:49.47 | Kevin` | Tr0gd0r: just open it in a text editor and (delete and) rewrite the first line |
| 04:50.12 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: vim can |
| 04:50.32 | Tr0gd0r | \amethyst how |
| 04:50.35 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: open it in vim... do you see ^M characters, or does it say [dos] at the bottom |
| 04:50.35 | Tr0gd0r | i have it opened |
| 04:50.38 | \amethyst | ? |
| 04:50.40 | Tr0gd0r | it says dos |
| 04:50.49 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: :set ff=unix then save it |
| 04:52.07 | Tr0gd0r | once I exec the script I never get back to a # prompt |
| 04:52.12 | Tr0gd0r | it stays execing the script |
| 04:52.21 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: what does the script do? |
| 04:52.36 | Tr0gd0r | starts a gameserver in screen |
| 04:52.37 | \amethyst | maybe it's expecting input? |
| 04:52.44 | Tr0gd0r | as a daemon |
| 04:52.49 | Tr0gd0r | but the server is up now |
| 04:52.57 | Tr0gd0r | I just dont have a # prompt to continue working |
| 04:53.02 | \amethyst | sounds like it needs to be running in the background |
| 04:53.06 | Tr0gd0r | yeah |
| 04:53.10 | \amethyst | ctrl-z to suspend it, then bg to background it |
| 04:53.28 | \amethyst | (then maybe disown so it isn't killed when you log out) |
| 04:53.59 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: alternatively, use script & to start it in the background |
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| 04:56.13 | lykaios | hello |
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| 04:56.55 | lykaios | i want to install a debian etch with a squid proxy cache.... but i don't know the partition schema for this |
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| 04:57.36 | lykaios | i need any suggestion about it !! |
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| 04:57.41 | man_in_uni | waves |
| 04:57.47 | man_in_uni | network-manager-gnome is so evil |
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| 04:59.03 | nevyn | <3's network manager |
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| 05:01.10 | man_in_uni | the wireless network here is wpa-eap/tkip/pap, and network-manager doesn't even get as far as connecting to it |
| 05:01.20 | man_in_uni | wpa-supplicant has no trouble |
| 05:01.31 | Stripes | hey. is there any way to install debian from inside an existing install of ubuntu? the debian installer always hangs at detecting CDROM, but the ubuntu finished |
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| 05:08.07 | Kevin` | Stripes: debootstrap |
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| 05:10.46 | NiLon | How I could set up so that when I make remote connection to host it will start X and shutdown it when connection is closed? |
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| 05:11.39 | man_in_uni | NiLon: depends what you mean by "remote connection" |
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| 05:12.21 | man_in_uni | NiLon: and you could use something like XDMCP to allow thin-client-style remote logins |
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| 05:15.46 | NiLon | man_in_uni well basically I wanna connect to gui from any computer with sufficient client but I don't wanna keep X running using resources |
| 05:17.02 | NiLon | so connect would bring X up and when connection is closed it would just kill X |
| 05:17.49 | Wyzard | NiLon: You could use X forwarding to run things on this computer but have their windows appear on the computer that you're connecting from |
| 05:18.02 | Wyzard | NiLon: "ssh -X" makes it pretty easy to do that |
| 05:18.28 | Wyzard | NiLon: and you don't need an X server at all on the computer that you're asking about |
| 05:18.45 | NiLon | even better |
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| 05:19.33 | NiLon | well I need to read more about that thing then |
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| 05:19.42 | meeero | let's pretend that i want to disable ping, without accessing /proc, but by iptables, how do i do that? |
| 05:20.48 | Wyzard | meeero: If you were using FireHOL rather than writing iptables rules manually, you could just put "server ping drop" in your firehol.conf... |
| 05:20.59 | man_in_uni | firehol? |
| 05:21.03 | NiLon | ping uses port 8 btw |
| 05:21.13 | meeero | no, it's about a vserver, i can't access /proc, but want to disable icmp ping |
| 05:21.24 | Wyzard | NiLon: ping uses ICMP, which has no ports |
| 05:21.37 | NiLon | um right |
| 05:21.43 | NiLon | I mean type 8 (echo) |
| 05:21.51 | Wyzard | man_in_uni: It's a firewall package |
| 05:22.02 | man_in_uni | Wyzard: yah, i've never heard of it :) |
| 05:22.05 | hesco | I was given an old P3 laptop that will not boot from the CD. The BIOS says it will, but it doesn't, and after hanging for a long time, it boots an Ubuntu install from the hard drive. |
| 05:22.17 | Wyzard | man_in_uni: http://firehol.sourceforge.net/ |
| 05:22.19 | meeero | i could try to use iptables |
| 05:22.22 | meeero | but how? |
| 05:22.35 | Wyzard | man_in_uni: I like the fact that its configuration syntax is succinct and readable |
| 05:22.42 | man_in_uni | Wyzard: that is one really bad website |
| 05:22.50 | NiLon | iptables can be kind of shock for start :P |
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| 05:23.04 | hesco | If I wanted to install debian on this drive, could I do this from a usb thumb drive? And if so, what image would I put on the thumb drive to make that happen? |
| 05:23.27 | Wyzard | meeero: Unless you have really specialized needs, (blocking ping is not a specialized need), it's generally better to use a firewall package rather than writing iptables rules manually |
| 05:23.40 | Wyzard | meeero: The result tends to be more robust and easier to maintain |
| 05:24.09 | Wyzard | hesco: The downloads page on debian.org has bootable images for flash drives, I believe |
| 05:24.16 | meeero | i can configure the firewall for the vserver, i just blocked everything but http and ssh - but i can still ping the server, and damn, iptables seems to have no effect, since it writes to proc |
| 05:24.34 | heatman | Where is the vncserver conf file locate in which i can specify the proper port? |
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| 05:25.36 | Wyzard | meeero: Wait, when you say vserver, do you mean the linux-vserver.org variety? |
| 05:25.42 | Wyzard | meeero: or an actual virtual machine, e.g. VMware or Xen? |
| 05:26.05 | meeero | virtuozzo |
| 05:26.35 | Wyzard | I guess more specifically I should ask, why don't you have access to /proc? |
| 05:26.50 | man_in_uni | grumbles at network-manager |
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| 05:27.12 | meeero | if i write to /proc i'm getting an error |
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| 05:27.44 | meeero | echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all ..-bash: /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all: Operation not permitted |
| 05:27.49 | meeero | as root, of course |
| 05:28.22 | oCrypticfrtune | would I be right in saying that at the moment there's no (safe) way to shrink an XFS partition? |
| 05:28.28 | Wyzard | meeero: looks like Virtuozzo uses a partitioning approach, like linux-vserver and OpenVZ, and unlike VMware and Xen |
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| 05:28.51 | hesco | Wyzard: I'm use to burning an iso of net-install. When I looked at the flash drive links and drilled down, what I found was a kernal image and an initrd file. Is that all I'm going to need, then? |
| 05:28.54 | Wyzard | meeero: That sort of approach isn't really a full virtual machine; some resources are still shared, and iptables is usually one of them |
| 05:29.10 | Wyzard | meeero: so you probably can't define custom iptables rules on your vserver |
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| 05:30.35 | Wyzard | hesco: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 05:31.19 | pinto3 | hello, anybody here used mutella? i read through the manpage but don't see a reason why i can't connect to the network |
| 05:32.41 | Wyzard | meeero: hmm... apparently Virtuozzo is based on OpenVZ |
| 05:33.09 | Wyzard | meeero: and unlike linux-vserver, OpenVZ may actually support per-container iptables rules |
| 05:33.27 | Wyzard | meeero: http://wiki.openvz.org/Setting_up_an_iptables_firewall has a section at the end titled " Setting up a firewall that allows per-container configuration", but the section hasn't been written yet |
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| 05:36.20 | keith_ | someone explain to me why 'm-a a-i nvidia' installed citadel-server? |
| 05:36.31 | Wyzard | lol |
| 05:36.32 | hesco | Thanks Wyzard: that looks like exactly what I need. |
| 05:37.18 | Wyzard | keith4: Launch aptitude in interactive mode and find citadel-server in the list |
| 05:37.49 | Wyzard | keith4: Press enter to open its info page, then scroll down to "Packages which depend on citadel-server" near the end, and look through that list for anything in bold |
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| 05:50.44 | gigo | what is a popular algol interpreter for Debian? |
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| 05:52.07 | Wyzard | gigo: I don't think "popular" and "algol" really belong together in the same sentence... |
| 05:52.17 | Wyzard | gigo: and "apt-cache search algol" turns up nothing |
| 05:52.28 | keith_ | Wyzard: any idea what category citadel falls under? |
| 05:52.51 | Wyzard | keith4__: You can type a frontslash to search by package name |
| 05:53.12 | keith4__ | ah |
| 05:53.56 | Wyzard | keith4: and when you're in a package's details page looking at its list of dependencies or reverse dependencies, you can press enter on a package to go to that package's details page |
| 05:54.04 | Wyzard | keith4: so you can follow a chain of dependencies that way |
| 05:54.32 | keith4__ | ah, it looks like it just wanted an mta... and citadel was the default?! |
| 05:54.42 | Wyzard | That's pretty weird |
| 05:54.49 | keith4__ | agreed |
| 05:55.00 | Wyzard | Most things that need an MTA depend on "exim4 | mta", so that exim will be installed by default if no other MTA is already present |
| 05:55.10 | keith4__ | installs nullmailer |
| 05:55.15 | Wyzard | though I don't see why the nVidia driver would need an MTA anyway |
| 05:55.33 | keith4__ | well, perhaps module-asstistant wanted it? hadn't run m-a before |
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| 05:55.38 | Wyzard | hmm, maybe |
| 05:55.45 | keith4__ | i mean, it downloaded all kinds of crap, mostly libs. citadel was one that jumped out at me |
| 05:55.53 | keith4__ | indeed, installing nullmailer removed the citadel packages |
| 05:56.21 | keith4__ | it looks like bsd-mailx is the culprit |
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| 05:56.34 | Wyzard | hmm |
| 05:56.45 | Wyzard | That depends on "exim4 | mail-transport-agent" |
| 05:56.50 | keith4__ | yah, weird |
| 05:56.55 | Wyzard | Maybe exim wasn't eligible due to a conflict with something else |
| 05:56.56 | Wyzard | shrugs |
| 05:57.38 | keith4__ | http://pastebin.com/m4058f60d |
| 05:57.56 | keith4__ | odd |
| 05:58.01 | Wyzard | bah, you should do that with aptitude :-) |
| 05:58.07 | keith4__ | yah, whatever |
| 05:58.22 | Wyzard | but yeah, it's normal to see the dependency temporarily broken like that |
| 05:59.08 | keith4__ | yah, the mythtv packages are borked too |
| 06:00.05 | Wyzard | unstable, I assume? |
| 06:00.09 | keith4__ | testing |
| 06:00.16 | keith4__ | http://pastebin.com/m1d300f2c |
| 06:00.33 | keith4__ | <sarcasm> really useful error output, mythtv-common</sarcasm> |
| 06:00.38 | Wyzard | yay, time for postinst script debugging |
| 06:00.39 | keith4__ | shakes his fist at marillat |
| 06:00.42 | Wyzard | hehe |
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| 06:01.10 | Crypticfortune | keith4__: what strikes me as strange is that debian defaults to exim4 to provide mail-transport-agent. you must have set something to avoid exim4 and for some reason it settled on citadel to meet that dependency...? |
| 06:01.12 | keith4__ | Wyzard: are you off work this week, or are you usually up at this hour? |
| 06:01.27 | keith4__ | Crypticfortune: nope, this is pretty much a clean box. just assembled today |
| 06:01.32 | Wyzard | keith4__: I'm usually up this late, though I really shouldn't be... I'm going to bed shortly though |
| 06:01.40 | keith4__ | installed from 4.0r1 CD, upgraded to lenny |
| 06:01.57 | Crypticfortune | keith4__: weird. |
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| 06:02.07 | keith4__ | (very briefly changed to unstable, just to grab nvidia kernel source) |
| 06:02.19 | keith4__ | yah, very |
| 06:02.37 | Wyzard | keith4: hmm, you'll probably need to install unstable's xorg too |
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| 06:02.53 | keith4__ | yah, i'll cross that bridge when i come to it |
| 06:02.54 | Wyzard | keith4: The xorg in lenny is compatible with neither etch's nVidia driver nor sid's |
| 06:03.04 | keith4__ | it's a moot point if I can't get mythtv-common installed |
| 06:03.14 | keith4__ | since this will (hopefully) be a new myth frontend |
| 06:03.31 | Wyzard | in the first case because xorg dropped support for the older binary format used by the older driver, and in the second case because of an xorg driver ABI change |
| 06:03.56 | keith4__ | how would I even begin to debug a post-install script? |
| 06:04.26 | Wyzard | The file is /var/lib/dpkg/info/mythtv-common.postinst |
| 06:04.44 | Wyzard | You can take a look and see if there are any obvious problems, or try executing the commands manually |
| 06:04.55 | keith4__ | ugh |
| 06:05.37 | keith4__ | .... |
| 06:05.43 | Wyzard | Maintainer scripts (preinst, postinst, etc.) work kinda like initscripts in the sense that they're called with an argument saying what to do, and the script usually has a switch statement that handles each possible value of the argument (like the stop/start/restart for initscripts) |
| 06:05.55 | MoDaX | Wyzard: xorg-deps has been removed in 169.12-1. so sid's nvidia should be installed on lenny without problems |
| 06:06.10 | keith4__ | "/var/lib/dpkg/info/mythtv-common.postinst configure" ran fine |
| 06:06.14 | Wyzard | MoDaX: oh, that's good to know |
| 06:06.30 | MoDaX | installable* |
| 06:06.37 | Firebug | Is debian seriously 21 CD's big O_O |
| 06:06.39 | Wyzard | keith4__: Returned a zero exit status? Or just didn't produce any output? |
| 06:06.49 | keith4__ | Firebug: only if you want every single package in the repo on CD |
| 06:06.56 | keith4__ | Wyzard: touche |
| 06:07.19 | Firebug | Where can I just get the 'standard' package |
| 06:07.42 | Wyzard | Firebug: If you have a good Internet connection available while installing, get the netinst CD |
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| 06:08.03 | keith4__ | Wyzard: how do I figure out exactly how this script is being called? |
| 06:08.04 | Wyzard | Firebug: That's a relatively small bootable CD that'll download packages from the Internet as-needed during installation |
| 06:08.10 | Wyzard | Firebug: so you only download what you actually install |
| 06:08.12 | Firebug | Ah ok |
| 06:08.15 | Firebug | Thanks :) |
| 06:08.24 | MoDaX | Firebug: netinst or cd 1 or dvd 1 |
| 06:08.43 | Crypticfortune | Firebug: when you're installing it will ask you what type of packages to get ("standard desktop", "web server", etc), if you choose none of those you end up with a very small footprint. |
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| 06:09.03 | Firebug | Excellent! Thanks guys :) |
| 06:09.13 | Wyzard | keith4__: I don't know all the details of how theyr'e supposed to work... you could check the maintainer guide, or just put "echo $*" near the top of the script and run "dpkg --configure --pending" to make dpkg invoke it again |
| 06:09.38 | elmarian6 | hey |
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| 06:10.11 | elmarian6 | i need to backup a server, to a mirror one |
| 06:10.31 | elmarian6 | du know of any good tools to do this ? |
| 06:10.39 | Crypticfortune | elmarian6: rysnc? |
| 06:10.54 | keith4__ | Wyzard: it apparently just runs "mythtv-common.postinst configure" |
| 06:11.08 | Wyzard | keith4__: sounds about right |
| 06:11.53 | elmarian6 | should i try with rsync + cron ? |
| 06:11.54 | keith4__ | which seems to run OK if I run it manually, judging by the fact that it created /etc/mythtv/ crap and added mythtv to a bunch of groups, etc. |
| 06:11.54 | Crypticfortune | elmarian6: without any other information, kinda hard to say...what do you need to backup? do you need the backup server to be runnable in palce of the original? or just be able to restore the original in case of disaster? can you take the original offline to do the backup? |
| 06:12.14 | Wyzard | keith4: IIRC, the exit status of a shell script is the exit status of the last command it ran, so if it doesn't explicitly "exit" or "return", check the end of the file |
| 06:12.22 | Wyzard | keith4: It might be succeeding at everything except one last task |
| 06:12.24 | elmarian6 | i need to backup /var/www to a spare server |
| 06:12.29 | elmarian6 | if my server crashes, |
| 06:12.38 | elmarian6 | i put the mysql backup |
| 06:12.41 | elmarian6 | and change dns |
| 06:12.53 | elmarian6 | that is what i was thinking of |
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| 06:13.48 | Crypticfortune | elmarian6: if that's all you need, then sure, rsync and mysqldump is plenty i think... |
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| 06:14.33 | elmarian6 | ok. |
| 06:14.34 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:14.49 | elmarian6 | thanks. |
| 06:15.00 | elmarian6 | when i change the dns to my other server's ip |
| 06:15.24 | elmarian6 | it could be that some machines have cached the old-crashed server's ip |
| 06:15.35 | Wyzard | elmarian6: Yes, DNS changes can take time to propagate |
| 06:15.37 | elmarian6 | is there any way to refresh dns servers ? |
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| 06:15.42 | keith4__ | are you going for some sort of high-availability setup? |
| 06:15.46 | Wyzard | elmarian6: and no, there's nothing you can do about it |
| 06:15.51 | Crypticfortune | elmarian6: yup, so ideally you'd want to move the mirror into the original's ip, not change the DNS |
| 06:16.26 | Wyzard | elmarian6: There are packages available for taking over a failed machine's IP as Crypticfortune said |
| 06:16.58 | Wyzard | elmarian6: "fake" is one that I know of, but I've never used it, and there are others too |
| 06:17.02 | elmarian6 | ok, the problem is that my spare server is in a different datasenter |
| 06:17.14 | elmarian6 | datacenter,sorry |
| 06:17.21 | Wyzard | hmm, then you'd need to do some routing tricks |
| 06:17.33 | Wyzard | I don't know much about that though |
| 06:17.34 | elmarian6 | i dont think i could change the ip |
| 06:18.00 | Crypticfortune | ya, there's a whole bunch of ways to approach it, but it kinda depends on the mode of failure at your first server |
| 06:18.21 | keith4__ | Wyzard: i figured it out. this is really dumb |
| 06:18.41 | Wyzard | keith4__: What was it? |
| 06:19.01 | keith4__ | the first time i tried to set this up, I installed 'mythtv-frontend', which gets halfway through installing, but fails because it depends on 'mythtv-common', which isn't installed, even though it's about to be installed. not sure why |
| 06:19.13 | keith4__ | that left a bunch of crap around, like /etc/mythtv and /home/mythtv and such |
| 06:19.34 | elmarian6 | ok. if the server is down, i mean, with the hard drive broken |
| 06:19.39 | keith4__ | i manually removed all evidence that mythtv had ever touched this, and installed mythtv-common first, and it seems to work |
| 06:20.23 | Wyzard | hmm, that's pretty weird that mythtv-frontend failed like that |
| 06:20.32 | keith4__ | yes, i thought so |
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| 06:20.42 | Wyzard | A dependency is supposed to be considered satisfied if the other package is being installed in the same transaction |
| 06:21.17 | Wyzard | unless it's a pre-depends, but those are rarely used |
| 06:21.59 | keith4__ | doesn't appear to be |
| 06:22.32 | Wyzard | Well, I'd suggest reporting a bug but marillat doesn't have a BTS afaik |
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| 06:22.56 | keith4__ | i remember having this problem before, it's not a new occurance |
| 06:23.18 | Wyzard | I'd be curious to see the error message from that if it happens again |
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| 06:23.40 | Wyzard | For now though... I'm tired |
| 06:23.42 | Wyzard | goes to bed |
| 06:23.43 | keith4__ | when i ditch this loud disk and put CF in here, i'll do it over again and save it for you |
| 06:23.45 | Crypticfortune | elmarian6: well, i don't know what this "datacenter" is you're referring to, but hard drive failures are kinda the easiest to cope with (use raid mirrors, hot swappable disks, etc). as long as you can put something at that ip, you could either proxy requests or send visitors to your alternate site via an http relocate or something |
| 06:23.51 | Wyzard | cool |
| 06:23.53 | keith4__ | thanks for the help, Wyzard |
| 06:23.55 | Wyzard | np |
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| 06:25.51 | Crypticfortune | elmarian6: more high-availability solutions require you to have access to the routing going on slightly upstream of that original server's ip... |
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| 06:29.01 | keith4__ | odd, firewire came up as eth0 |
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| 06:29.13 | keith4__ | does anyone *actually* network over firewire, ffs? |
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| 06:29.37 | keith4__ | what would I do, chain a bunch of computers together to form a firewire network? |
| 06:29.49 | keith4__ | it could be like token ring, only 400mbit |
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| 06:30.31 | aw0x | Hello guys. :) |
| 06:30.43 | Crypticfortune | keith4__: does firewire even support chaining like that? i thought it was just 1-to-1... that said i've never tried it either though =p |
| 06:30.53 | ale666 | can anyone help me troubleshoot a connection time out error on ssh? |
| 06:31.00 | keith4__ | well, it implements a standard network interface, so why wouldn't it? |
| 06:31.07 | aw0x | I have two webcams with are supposed to be supported by the same device driver (spca50x).. is it usual for the second webcam to not load under spca? |
| 06:31.12 | keith4__ | a chain of linux boxes, routing over firewire... it could work |
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| 06:31.17 | keith4__ | hell, you could even throw some macs in there |
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| 06:31.55 | keith4__ | Crypticfortune: you'd need a private network on each firewire cable, or a lot of bridged configurations |
| 06:31.59 | keith4__ | i'd like to try it some time |
| 06:32.00 | Crypticfortune | keith4__: ya, but then then the linux boxes are doing the routing across multiple networks (or bridging), not using some native support in the physical network |
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| 06:32.01 | ehird | Is there a version of the Pretty Emacs package for Debian? |
| 06:32.43 | Crypticfortune | keith4__: and all the systems i've ever owned have only had 1 firewire port, which would make bridging kinda tricky =P |
| 06:33.18 | keith4__ | Crypticfortune: this new one I just setup has a front and a rear firewire port. and i've got a bunch of old Mac towers sitting around that are just begging to run debian for this firewire network test |
| 06:33.31 | keith4__ | they each have 2 ports, iirc |
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| 06:33.42 | Crypticfortune | keith4__: heheh, give it a shot and let me know how it goes. i'm curious how well it scales =P |
| 06:33.56 | ehird | no? |
| 06:34.04 | keith4__ | in the case of the macs, it'd actually be a performance improvement probably, since they don't have gigabit |
| 06:34.24 | keith4__ | and then while i'm at it, i'll slice my wrists |
| 06:34.39 | keith4__ | Crypticfortune: it's a deal. if I ever do that, I'll write up an article about it, and let you know |
| 06:34.56 | keith4__ | !tell ehird about search |
| 06:35.10 | ehird | keith4: I know it's not in the official repositories |
| 06:35.33 | keith4__ | can dpkg tell people about google? |
| 06:36.06 | aw0x | oh woot. :D |
| 06:36.31 | elmarian6 | guys, is there a better irc client than xchat ? |
| 06:36.38 | tarzeau | elmarian6: irssi |
| 06:36.54 | ehird | keith4: I have tried googling. |
| 06:36.56 | ehird | To no avail. |
| 06:37.00 | ehird | Which is why I asked here, funnily enough |
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| 06:37.29 | keith4__ | you suck at googling then |
| 06:37.32 | Crypticfortune | ehird: i don't know what version of emacs this pretty emacs thing uses, but it's worth noting that emacs 23 supports freetype rendering with normal fonts. it's what i use. |
| 06:37.40 | keith4__ | http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/04/13/pretty-emacs-compile-guide-for-unsupported-platforms/ |
| 06:38.07 | keith4__ | looks like that dude only builds ubuntu packages: http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/01/06/pretty-emacs/ |
| 06:38.12 | Guerin | emacs has supported freetype fonts for as long as freetype has been in existence |
| 06:38.25 | ehird | keith4: I meant without compiling it myself, obviously. |
| 06:38.26 | keith4__ | so this guy just packaged a custom .emacs file? |
| 06:38.38 | Guerin | always has, out of the box |
| 06:38.43 | keith4__ | ehird: you can download the ubuntu package and just extract it |
| 06:38.51 | ehird | Crypticfortune: Any good repositories for emacs23? |
| 06:38.55 | keith4__ | it probably doesn't contain anything that *actually* needs ubuntu |
| 06:39.31 | Guerin | keith4__: it likely does |
| 06:39.51 | keith4__ | i don't believe it |
| 06:39.51 | Guerin | ubuntu hasn't been binary-compatible with debian except by random coincidence for years |
| 06:39.52 | Crypticfortune | Guerin: seriously? i couldn't get it work with emacs 22... =/ |
| 06:40.15 | keith4__ | i'll even download the damn package |
| 06:40.21 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: i'll send you a screenshot |
| 06:40.22 | Crypticfortune | ehird: no, i doubt it would be in a repository. probably have to build it yourself... |
| 06:40.32 | Guerin | keith4__: you don't have to believe it, it's a fact. |
| 06:40.39 | keith4__ | ehird: he gives you instructions for how to build your own deb |
| 06:41.02 | ehird | keith4: i can bet you it won't work. ubuntu hates being compatible with debian |
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| 06:41.25 | hesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.28 | elmarian6 | has anybody tried eaccelerator ? |
| 06:41.29 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 06:41.43 | hesco | what can I do, short of rebooting the machine to regain my access to my sound system? |
| 06:42.06 | keith4__ | close whatever else has it open |
| 06:42.13 | keith4__ | lsof |
| 06:42.17 | Crypticfortune | hesco: dependign on your sound system, alsaconf? |
| 06:42.46 | hesco | Its alsa. what distinguishes alsa from alsaconf |
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| 06:42.59 | keith4__ | alsaconf = tool to configure alsa |
| 06:43.20 | Crypticfortune | hesco: alsaconf is for configuring alsa. but it will also unload any current drivers in the process. a quick and dirty way to force a reset ;) |
| 06:43.21 | keith4__ | Guerin: ah, I didn't realize it was an implementation of emacs, and not just some fancy lisp |
| 06:43.29 | Guerin | feayn.org/~lewis/emacs.png |
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| 06:43.52 | Guerin | keith4__: if it was just some lisp, why would it not have been adopted wholesale by everyone? |
| 06:43.57 | areels | is there anything like Live Communications Server for linux? |
| 06:44.07 | Guerin | areels: what does it do? |
| 06:44.08 | keith4__ | why would anyone want this "pretty emacs" anyway? I don't get it |
| 06:44.11 | Crypticfortune | hesco: (and kill any processes using said sound drivers) |
| 06:44.36 | Guerin | keith4__: full unicode support is one possible reason, though I don't know if it includes that |
| 06:44.49 | Guerin | keith4__: support for CJK and devanagari and such charactersets |
| 06:44.50 | Haris1 | \amethyst: valdyn: stew: Ok, I have a case here where I'm running tcpdump ( tcpdump -i eth0 -vv not tcp port 22 and host 192.168.0.103 and 'tcp[tcpflags] & (tcp-syn|tcp-ack) == (tcp-syn|tcp-ack)' ) on a box. Everything else except browsing is working. I'm running telnet www.yahoo.com 80 and not getting any response from the debian box. tcpdump doens't show any output as well. So this means that the tcp handshake is also not working. What else or how else |
| 06:45.01 | keith4__ | Guerin: oh... so, limited appeal |
| 06:45.20 | Haris1 | on a box = tcpdump is running on the debian box |
| 06:45.31 | Guerin | keith4__: well ... limited in that only 2/5 of the world's population use those as their primary written languages, yeah. |
| 06:45.46 | keith4__ | limited appeal in the *english* debian channel |
| 06:45.55 | keith4__ | ;-) |
| 06:46.17 | Haris1 | valdyn: \amethyst: stew: So far there's nothing to say that its NOT a kernel issue |
| 06:46.18 | Guerin | mm, that beer never touched the sides |
| 06:46.18 | keith4__ | Haris1: is it possible that somewhere between you and yahoo is a firewall that isn't allowing outgoing port 80? |
| 06:46.44 | streuner | Guerin: How is life today? |
| 06:46.54 | Haris1 | keith4: The path is A > B (debian box, firewall, default gateway for A, transparent proxy) > internet |
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| 06:47.05 | Haris1 | keith4: So, no, there's nothing in between |
| 06:47.16 | Guerin | Haris1: the onus isn't on you to prove it might be a kernel issue, it's to prove it IS one. |
| 06:47.22 | keith4__ | does ICMP traffic get through to yahoo? |
| 06:47.23 | Haris1 | keith4: I'll just add a rule in iptables for it to accept the traffic rather than REDIRECT it to squid and it'll start working |
| 06:47.45 | Haris1 | Guerin: That's what I'm saying. So far there's nothing to prove it isn't a kernel issue |
| 06:47.51 | Haris1 | but there is proof that it IS |
| 06:47.57 | Guerin | streuner: life is good. I spent most of the day fishing, though without success. However this is still better than working (also likely without success). |
| 06:48.17 | Haris1 | keith4: yes |
| 06:48.21 | Guerin | Haris1: post it to the BTS, then. |
| 06:48.24 | Haris1 | keith4: ping is not tcp though |
| 06:48.30 | Haris1 | Guerin: Already done last night |
| 06:48.31 | keith4__ | Haris1: i seem to recall having problems with traffic originating on a transparent proxy going through itself |
| 06:48.36 | streuner | Guerin: ic, just stay here and help. That makes you feel better... |
| 06:48.50 | Crypticfortune | Guerin: oo nice and shiny. i wonder why my emacs 22 won't do that.... (my emacs 23 looks like this though: http://img59.imageshack.us/my.php?image=emacsut8.png ) |
| 06:48.57 | Guerin | streuner: hah. I'm going to watch football shortly. And make noodles. Not necessarily in that order. |
| 06:49.01 | Haris1 | keith4: Its not the problem of transparent proxy. I'v noticed this at times, even when squid is not being used |
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| 06:49.34 | Guerin | Haris1: can you rile out your ISP? |
| 06:49.51 | Guerin | Crypticfortune: nice :) |
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| 06:50.08 | keith4__ | iptables makes my eyes bleed, that why i always recommend firehol instead |
| 06:50.16 | Guerin | eew, firehol |
| 06:50.24 | Guerin | keith4__: are you AKA wyzard? |
| 06:50.26 | Haris1 | Guerin: Well, I just said, that if I -j ACCEPT the traffic in iptables, rather than -j REDIRECT it, it works fine. The problem is the inside interface on LAN. The debian box doesn't get the traffic. How can it reach the ISP? |
| 06:50.36 | keith4__ | Guerin: lol, no, but I did go to college with him |
| 06:50.44 | Guerin | hah |
| 06:50.53 | Guerin | he also pimps firehol every chance he gets |
| 06:50.53 | keith4__ | you might even say that I am a descendent of the Wyzard |
| 06:51.00 | Ebekus | Is there a way to execute a file that has no extension? |
| 06:51.02 | keith4__ | or a desciple |
| 06:51.07 | keith4__ | Ebekus: of course |
| 06:51.12 | keith4__ | what do you think this is... windows? |
| 06:51.19 | Guerin | Ebekus: extension has nothing to do with executability |
| 06:51.28 | Guerin | Ebekus: info coreutils chmod |
| 06:51.34 | Ebekus | Ty. |
| 06:51.35 | hesco | ok, alsaconf handled the job. But if I were to be way more discreet about how I restored sound to the system, how would I gerp lsof to figure out what had my sound card occupied? |
| 06:51.52 | hesco | s/gerp/grep/ |
| 06:52.12 | keith4__ | lsof | grep /dev/snd ? |
| 06:52.22 | Guerin | hesco: /dev/dsp is likely |
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| 06:52.28 | hesco | keith4__: thanks! |
| 06:52.39 | keith4__ | don't thank me yet, it had a question mark on it for a reason |
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| 06:53.29 | Haris1 | How long does it usually take for a bug to get noticed? :p |
| 06:53.48 | keith4__ | for a routing problem? |
| 06:53.58 | Haris1 | the current/present releases of 2.6.18 and up, ALL have this problem wiht both ipv4 and ipv6 traffic |
| 06:54.10 | Haris1 | this TCP connection failure problem |
| 06:54.19 | Haris1 | I'd say it started before 2.6.18 |
| 06:54.25 | keith4__ | are you NAT'ing too? |
| 06:54.28 | hesco | Guerin had it right, keith4__, it was dsp, not snd. But you are the one who clued me in to use lsof. |
| 06:54.32 | Guerin | Haris1: don't tell us, prove it. |
| 06:55.01 | Haris1 | Guerin: I just did |
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| 06:55.06 | Haris1 | keith4: yes |
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| 06:55.15 | Guerin | Haris1: no, you didn't. |
| 06:55.18 | Haris1 | Guerin: The ipv6 bug has been in BTS for 2.6.16 |
| 06:55.45 | keith4__ | i'm still not convinced, but i feel like i'm missing the first 85% of this story |
| 06:55.51 | Guerin | right |
| 06:56.13 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:56.13 | dpkg | <bart_> seanius, only 4 people at #C++ <seanius> try another network then <bart_> network? <bart_> IRC is the biggest isn't it? |
| 06:56.32 | Guerin | <3 qotd |
| 06:56.39 | Guerin | !flw |
| 06:56.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, flw16 is < try_catch_this> because command line should stay back in the days of dos |
| 06:57.27 | keith4__ | that reminds me of this idiot who was trolling in #nagios today |
| 06:58.01 | keith4__ | <dwxreaper> I don't see how you guys don't see it as a problem that there is no gui |
| 06:58.10 | Haris1 | keith4__: That's why I asked. Tell me how to confirm it. I am so far |
| 06:58.30 | keith4__ | uh... pastebin your routing table? |
| 06:58.34 | Haris1 | keith4__: I'v noticed 2 bugs (at least) in BTS. One for ipv6 traffic, the other for ip_conntrack |
| 06:58.46 | Haris1 | keith4: I'v shown it to a dozen people. Hold on =) |
| 06:58.47 | keith4__ | oh... ip_conntrack does have some funkiness |
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| 06:59.30 | keith4__ | you might just want to upgrade to a newer kernel |
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| 06:59.39 | keith4__ | someone was just talking about that last week, iirc |
| 06:59.49 | tarzeau | if i have a bunch of rcs ,v files, how can i make them normal files without rcs? |
| 06:59.51 | Haris1 | keith4: Anything else to add in it before I paste? |
| 07:00.00 | Haris1 | keith4: I did, to |
| 07:00.06 | Haris1 | keith4: I did, to 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 07:00.16 | keith4__ | hmm |
| 07:00.22 | Haris1 | keith4__: ..as I said, this is not a new proble |
| 07:00.27 | Haris1 | problem+ |
| 07:00.38 | Martiini | anyone knows of any big repositories with illegal stuff |
| 07:00.42 | Guerin | upgrade to 2.6.26! |
| 07:00.51 | Haris1 | I was looking at the kernel.org netdev list and I noticed even more problems. In 2.6.25, there's an issue with ftp |
| 07:00.52 | Guerin | Martiini: yeah, fbi.gov has plenty |
| 07:01.09 | Haris1 | Guerin: Is it available in stable, backports, snapshot or any other? |
| 07:01.14 | Martiini | anyone knows of any big repositories with illegal software for my debian? |
| 07:01.36 | Haris1 | keith4__: http://pastebin.ca/992952 |
| 07:01.47 | Guerin | Martiini: ask RichiH: /msg RichiH I can haz warez plz? |
| 07:01.57 | Guerin | he'll hook you up |
| 07:01.57 | Martiini | lol |
| 07:02.02 | Guerin | seriously |
| 07:02.07 | Guerin | the guy has heaps |
| 07:02.13 | Martiini | is he THE dealer? |
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| 07:02.17 | keith4__ | where is .ee? |
| 07:02.18 | Guerin | fuck yeah |
| 07:02.37 | keith4__ | Haris1: holy crap, that's quite a routing table |
| 07:02.43 | Guerin | keith4__: eestonia! |
| 07:02.50 | Haris1 | keith4: Are you serious? That's a tiny one |
| 07:02.59 | keith4__ | for a small NAT box? no it's not |
| 07:03.03 | Haris1 | I'v seen much much biger routing tables |
| 07:03.08 | Haris1 | yes, it is |
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| 07:03.34 | Haris1 | I'v confirmed, routing is not the issue |
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| 07:03.59 | \amethyst | what's with all those routes with gw 202.59.70.49 ? |
| 07:04.03 | Haris1 | there's one or more routes missing from this table, since pppoe (adsl) is not working atm. |
| 07:04.16 | \amethyst | it's the default route anyway, why have all the others? |
| 07:04.26 | keith4__ | tunnels? |
| 07:04.40 | keith4__ | ip sec? |
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| 07:04.42 | Haris1 | \amethyst: I have 2 ISPs hooked into this box. One is down atm. This is ISP1s' gw. I manually route traffic for specific IP ranges through that gw |
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| 07:04.52 | keith4__ | ah |
| 07:05.01 | keith4__ | poor mans load balancing? |
| 07:05.03 | Haris1 | the default gw usually is the pppoe (adsl) connection |
| 07:05.06 | Haris1 | yep |
| 07:05.07 | reemusk | check out this awesome game http://game2.mafiadeath.com/r/60880.php |
| 07:05.43 | Haris1 | This is nothing siginificant |
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| 07:06.00 | Haris1 | I usually have 3 routing tables, one is main and 2 others |
| 07:06.03 | Haris1 | when the adsl is up |
| 07:06.17 | Haris1 | and I mark and fwmark traffic through those routing tables |
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| 07:06.41 | Haris1 | this routing table is just so the debian box knows the path if I initiate traffic from an interactive shell |
| 07:06.41 | keith4__ | well, a google search for "conntrack bug" returns a disheartenly-large number of results... so I guess it's not *that* surprising |
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| 07:06.58 | \amethyst | Haris1: what about your iptables? are there maybe iptables rules preventing the route changeover from working? |
| 07:07.02 | Haris1 | keith4__: I guess you are not in touch with BTS =( |
| 07:07.34 | Haris1 | \amethyst: Let me paste them too |
| 07:07.39 | keith4__ | well, i wanted to see if it was a kernel-version-specific phenomenom |
| 07:07.46 | Haris1 | \amethyst: I'v had them checked and re-checked a dozen times in #iptables |
| 07:08.14 | keith4__ | Haris1: if I had any chance of being helpful, it wouldn't be at 3 AM. sorry |
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| 07:08.52 | Haris1 | damned, pastebin.ca just went down. dns issue |
| 07:09.08 | Haris1 | keith4__: I know. I'v been pasting these things here for days! |
| 07:09.13 | Haris1 | weeks+, sorry |
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| 07:09.29 | keith4__ | sounds like you need to split up your tasks onto multiple boxes |
| 07:09.30 | Haris1 | keith4__: I'll be pestering debian people for as long as this kernel issue persists :p |
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| 07:09.58 | keith4__ | it's a lot less of a mind-fuck when some of those tasks are on separate, physical devices |
| 07:10.01 | Haris1 | keith4__: That won't help this particular issue, because right now its happening when I have 1 ISP working on it and the other is down |
| 07:10.26 | keith4__ | i'd be curious to see if you could replicate it, maybe in a VM or something |
| 07:10.27 | Haris1 | I wish it were that simple |
| 07:10.40 | Haris1 | kernel issues! suck! |
| 07:11.08 | keith4__ | yah, i remember having to muck with the kernel in Advanced OS class in college. what a pain in the ass |
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| 07:11.17 | keith4__ | ooh, pretty output KERNEL PANICK |
| 07:11.23 | keith4__ | not my idea of fun |
| 07:11.27 | keith4__ | too many variables |
| 07:11.44 | keith4__ | I just put a k on panic. it's bedtime |
| 07:11.51 | keith4__ | good luck! |
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| 07:13.03 | \amethyst | it was funny... in my CS class they had us install our patched kernels on the lab machines which NFS-mounted everyone's /home |
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| 07:13.24 | \amethyst | so, had we chosen to be evil, we could have done anything we want to anyone's files |
| 07:13.26 | Hungmanmoojoo | yo does anyone know how to make aptitude not install recommended packages when you want something |
| 07:13.32 | Hungmanmoojoo | ? |
| 07:13.45 | dondelelcaro | Hungmanmoojoo: --without-recommends; man aptitude |
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| 07:14.07 | dondelelcaro | (and in general, if what the manual says doesn't make sense, you want the recommends) |
| 07:14.43 | Guerin | streuner: did I tell you my news, brotha |
| 07:14.45 | Guerin | ? |
| 07:15.30 | Guerin | \amethyst: and they passed and failed people on the basis of that decision? |
| 07:15.44 | Crypticfortune | \amethyst: and this is why we don't use NFS on insecure networks =P |
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| 07:15.48 | uzbek | hi everybody |
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| 07:16.02 | Martiini | uzbekk |
| 07:16.18 | Martiini | a where is uzbekistaan |
| 07:16.23 | \amethyst | Guerin: it probably would have been worse than just failing if someone had done that (and been caught) |
| 07:16.34 | \amethyst | Martiini: central asia |
| 07:16.47 | Hungmanmoojoo | hmmm.. dondelelcaro.. it didn't do any difference |
| 07:16.59 | Martiini | uzbek, from uzbekistan? |
| 07:17.03 | streuner | Guerin: hm? |
| 07:17.14 | uzbek | Martiini, it is a former USSR republic, neighbors with afganistan |
| 07:17.23 | uzbek | Martiini, yes |
| 07:17.26 | Martiini | and you are an uzbek? |
| 07:17.31 | Martiini | nice :) |
| 07:17.36 | uzbek | of course :) |
| 07:18.01 | Martiini | you guys wear those four-corner hats and heard sheep? |
| 07:18.09 | uzbek | i guess it like seeing giraffe in a zoo of your home town ;) |
| 07:18.16 | uzbek | it is like* |
| 07:18.34 | dondelelcaro | Hungmanmoojoo: what package in particular are you talking about? What's the exact command that you used? |
| 07:18.40 | uzbek | Martiini, yeah, exactly |
| 07:18.55 | uzbek | where do you know that? |
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| 07:19.37 | Ace_NoOne | good morning |
| 07:19.55 | Guerin | streuner: i'm breeding |
| 07:20.42 | uzbek | apt-cache policy gave me this result: http://dpaste.com/46217/ Now i want to install that 0.97~svn7189-1 0 (latest). how can i do that? |
| 07:21.06 | Hungmanmoojoo | dondelelcaro: aptitude -R install deluge-torrent. i'm running fluxbox on a minimal debian install |
| 07:21.21 | Ace_NoOne | I just ran a apt-get install apache2, just to confirm Apache is properly installed (which I know it was before) - and for some reason, it installed a package apache2 (38.6 kB)!? |
| 07:21.27 | Ace_NoOne | what might be wrong here? |
| 07:21.30 | Guerin | uzbek: you very likely don't |
| 07:21.38 | Hungmanmoojoo | and aptitude wants to install synaptic and cupsys and other not useful stuff |
| 07:21.44 | uzbek | Guerin, why? |
| 07:21.51 | Guerin | uzbek: because it's in experimental |
| 07:22.17 | uzbek | Guerin, i can't or i shouldn't? |
| 07:22.41 | Guerin | uzbek: you shouldn't. It remains to be seen whether you can or not. |
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| 07:22.54 | MrMist | hey guys |
| 07:23.12 | uzbek | that's fine. the experimental version of the package is considered mature |
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| 07:23.23 | uzbek | or save |
| 07:23.26 | Hungmanmoojoo | hmm. bbl dudes.. gotta go back to work |
| 07:23.27 | uzbek | safe* |
| 07:23.38 | Guerin | uzbek: but the debian package may not be. But good luck with that :) |
| 07:24.05 | uzbek | Guerin, so, could you tell how to xarakiri then? :) |
| 07:24.19 | Guerin | uzbek: man aptitude, look for -t |
| 07:24.30 | uzbek | Guerin, thanx! |
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| 07:24.40 | MrMist | Any way to optimize the loading of debian? I want ALL of the files to be copied into RAM, and THEN boot |
| 07:24.42 | simonrvn | Guerin: kwe kwe |
| 07:24.49 | Guerin | MrMist: that's stupid |
| 07:24.57 | Guerin | simonrvn: kia ora |
| 07:25.22 | sep | MrMist, the debian-router script does that afaik |
| 07:25.29 | dondelelcaro | MrMist: that's the slowest way of booting possible |
| 07:25.36 | MrMist | Guerin: Why ? I'm booting from a USB memory stick. I need to prevent read/write to the USB as much as possible |
| 07:25.42 | sep | dondelelcaro, but sweet on flash based boot |
| 07:25.57 | MrMist | sep: Yay :D You've got it ;) |
| 07:26.10 | sep | MrMist, i use it to boot my debian based 1gb flash chip routers/firewall/appliances |
| 07:26.20 | Guerin | oh, nifty |
| 07:26.34 | MrMist | sep: Any documentation/URL around ? |
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| 07:26.42 | dondelelcaro | MrMist: yes, so things get read only once, and that's it. The important thing is that they get read in the order in which they're going to be used, which happens automatically. |
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| 07:27.23 | uzbek | Martiini, i hope i didn't offend you |
| 07:27.47 | Martiini | uzbek, yes, thats what I was going to say to you |
| 07:27.52 | Guerin | uzbek: don't be concerned about offending him, he's a warez kiddie |
| 07:27.56 | sep | MrMist, that's where it all fall together i am afraid, but read http://gate-bunker.p6.msu.ru/ |
| 07:28.03 | Martiini | Im a warez junkie |
| 07:28.09 | MrMist | dondelelcaro: Is there any documentation about how this happen? I need to know that this is the case. |
| 07:28.12 | uzbek | Martiini, it was joke (English joke) |
| 07:28.19 | uzbek | ;) |
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| 07:29.54 | Martiini | uzbek, I admit that I know nothing about uzbekistan |
| 07:30.17 | hesco | I'm using gnome. For some reason my screen lock option is no longer working. Any ideas why that would be? |
| 07:30.26 | Crypticfortune | MrMist: reading flash memory might be slow, but isn't it only the writes that are destructive? |
| 07:30.36 | dondelelcaro | MrMist: depends on what you want to do; the debian-router is actually using a memory based filesystem, not caching from usb. |
| 07:30.50 | uzbek | Martiini, that's fine, when i say |
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| 07:31.14 | uzbek | when i say im from uzbekistan, people usually ask me: "Pakistan? Afganistan?" |
| 07:31.40 | dondelelcaro | uzbek: that's just because a lot of people don't know where it is (and almost no one has been there) |
| 07:32.02 | uzbek | yeah, dondelelcaro it is natural :) |
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| 07:32.34 | quentusrex_ | I'm trying to run the command: scp user@server:/etc/folder/file |
| 07:32.53 | quentusrex_ | but it keeps spitting out the usage.... like I'm doing it wrong.... |
| 07:32.56 | larsemil | quentusrex_: you only have one file there |
| 07:33.02 | \amethyst | but... how could you not know uzbekistan? it's one of the only two doubly landlocked countries in the world |
| 07:33.07 | larsemil | if you want to download that file add a ./ at the end |
| 07:33.28 | quentusrex_ | larsemil, what??? |
| 07:33.33 | quentusrex_ | could you demonstrate? |
| 07:33.37 | larsemil | scp user@server:/etc/folder/file ./ |
| 07:33.52 | larsemil | that downloads the file to current folder |
| 07:33.54 | quentusrex_ | what if I want to download the whole folder? |
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| 07:34.17 | larsemil | scp -r user@server:/path/folder ./ |
| 07:34.45 | quentusrex_ | cp: cannot stat ` |
| 07:34.52 | quentusrex_ | that's not working either... |
| 07:35.00 | larsemil | yes it is |
| 07:35.18 | quentusrex_ | it's not even asking for the password.... |
| 07:35.45 | quentusrex_ | sorry. |
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| 07:35.56 | quentusrex_ | it worked. I forgot that I tried doing it without the colon. |
| 07:36.08 | larsemil | well then you are doing it wrong. it is working here |
| 07:36.10 | larsemil | ah you see |
| 07:36.18 | quentusrex_ | thanks larsemil |
| 07:36.22 | larsemil | np |
| 07:36.24 | quentusrex_ | larsemil++ |
| 07:36.26 | quentusrex_ | :) |
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| 07:38.59 | MrMist | Crypticfortune: I'm askin as well here. I need to make suer caching etc. is in RAM, and not on disk. I'm using ext2 on the thumbdrive, with noatime to reduce writes. Any other tricks lying around? |
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| 07:40.37 | sep | MrMist, you can ofcourse just make ramdisks for often written directories like logs and tmp |
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| 07:40.57 | MrMist | sep: Any way I can log disk-writes ? |
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| 07:41.24 | MrMist | How do I do that? Just mount a ramdisk as the directory? What about the stuff already there ? |
| 07:41.26 | Crypticfortune | MrMist: yeah, exactly, what sep said. Make your boot directories read only, and make /var and whatever else you need to write out of tmpfs |
| 07:41.58 | MrMist | Crypticfortune: But what about everything that's already there? |
| 07:42.01 | sep | MrMist well if it's in ram you can't save it beyond the reboot. |
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| 07:42.27 | sep | so if you can't do without it... you can't make a ramdisk out of it. |
| 07:42.45 | Crypticfortune | yeah, that's also true...depends on what you need it to do |
| 07:42.58 | MrMist | sep: Hmmm... I could make a boot script, create the ramdisks, and do a recursive copy of another dir to put it into RAM though, right ? |
| 07:43.21 | sep | i would just tar up the empty directory structure,. then extract that once the tmpfs is mounted |
| 07:43.36 | sep | so all directories and permissions are correct |
| 07:43.50 | sep | but then again i just use debian-router :P |
| 07:44.11 | sep | and log to a remoet syslog server |
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| 07:44.43 | MrMist | Ah... hehe... I can't do that... this is supposed to be a embedded system. I've got no guarantee where this PC should reside |
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| 07:46.27 | mariano22 | a |
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| 07:46.57 | dikdik_ | hello |
| 07:46.59 | Fri13 | Hi all! |
| 07:47.11 | MrMist | Hey Fri13 :) |
| 07:47.24 | mariano22 | hi Fri13 |
| 07:47.27 | dikdik_ | i was wondering if anyone has used debian on oldish 63 macintoshes |
| 07:47.32 | dikdik_ | i have a 233mhz imac |
| 07:48.03 | Fri13 | Question about Debian and Ubuntu, Debian did release Stable on last february, isn't that the base for coming Ubuntu LTS or is it unstable? |
| 07:48.04 | dikdik_ | s/63/G3 |
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| 07:48.28 | neotic | jesus, nice errors. |
| 07:48.28 | simonrvn | dikdik_: many have |
| 07:48.43 | neotic | whoami: cannot find username for UID 4294967295 |
| 07:49.15 | MrMist | neotic: ouch.. hehe... you've been fiddling with PAM or something? |
| 07:49.21 | dikdik_ | my failure to install xubuntu led me to Debian :) |
| 07:49.42 | simonrvn | Fri13: none of the above |
| 07:50.08 | neotic | MrMist: not that i know =( |
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| 07:50.20 | MrMist | neotic: When did the error appear? |
| 07:50.47 | neotic | MrMist: no idea, i just got here and it's like this. chrooted an old 2.2 debian to change root pass |
| 07:50.51 | neotic | and cannot |
| 07:51.07 | dikdik_ | i never want to see the words 'busy box' again |
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| 07:51.48 | MrMist | neotic: Hmm... I'm not that comfortable with chroot I'm afraid |
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| 07:51.56 | MrMist | But someone here is bound to know ;) |
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| 07:52.12 | Fri13 | simonrvn: But dosn't Ubuntu "use" Debian's unstable as base? |
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| 07:52.28 | JoyFM | hi |
| 07:52.56 | JoyFM | what could be the problem if a cdrom devic do not get recognized (a LG dvd burner) |
| 07:52.59 | JoyFM | ? |
| 07:53.02 | Crypticfortune | neotic: isn't that most likely because your user isn't in /etc/passwd of the chroot (or whatever is set up to do passwd in /etc/nsswitch?)? |
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| 07:53.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | JoyFM, jumpers are wrong? |
| 07:53.21 | neotic | Crypticfortune: root bothwhere |
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| 07:53.54 | simonrvn | that's a NSS error, and that 4 billion+ number is size of int on 32b |
| 07:54.08 | neotic | simonrvn: how to fix it? |
| 07:54.10 | JoyFM | Kamping_Kaiser: but it worked as i installed the system |
| 07:54.15 | neotic | get a new glibc? |
| 07:54.22 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:55.39 | neotic | simonrvn: any ideas? |
| 07:56.13 | simonrvn | no, since that's all i saw, i just came in the middle of the convo |
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| 07:56.42 | neotic | it was the beginning of the convo =) |
| 07:56.54 | uzbek | how can i found out that a certain package is installed or not? |
| 07:57.01 | uzbek | find out* |
| 07:57.26 | simonrvn | neotic: oh shit, sarge? |
| 07:57.34 | neotic | simonrvn: potato |
| 07:57.35 | neotic | simonrvn: 2.2 |
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| 07:57.48 | simonrvn | yeh, potato, duh |
| 07:58.11 | simonrvn | and you're trying to update it? |
| 07:58.52 | neotic | simonrvn: i'm trying to mount and chroot it to change root pw because tey lost it |
| 07:58.55 | neotic | s/tey/they |
| 07:58.55 | Crypticfortune | uzbek: dpkg -l | grep <mypackage> |
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| 07:59.03 | simonrvn | Fri13: they do a number of things now. |
| 07:59.07 | uzbek | Crypticfortune, thanx |
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| 08:00.29 | neotic | simonrvn: really don't know what to do :/ |
| 08:01.27 | Crypticfortune | neotic: the fact that you chrooted as root and whoami thinks that your uid is 2^32-1 is disturbing. i'd be curious what 'perl -e "print $UID"' says... |
| 08:01.47 | simonrvn | probably bad kernel+glibc combo |
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| 08:03.51 | neotic | Crypticfortune: -1 |
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| 08:04.14 | simonrvn | here's a coupla things i was just thinking about, see if you like 'em |
| 08:04.19 | neotic | id says: uid=4294967295 guid=4294967295 id: Memory exhausted |
| 08:04.56 | Crypticfortune | simonrvn + neotic: in other words time to stop using chroot and use xen or something to actually boot a kernel that was meant for potato? |
| 08:05.11 | neotic | haha |
| 08:05.15 | neotic | it's a 386mhz |
| 08:05.49 | Crypticfortune | oh... so no hardware vm support then =P |
| 08:06.05 | simonrvn | set a new passwd with vipw (or a regular editor) and crypted properly; install a 2.4 kernel and chroot to it; run chroot /foo /usr/bin/passwd root |
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| 08:06.46 | simonrvn | Crypticfortune: that was my other idea, using qemu, xen, or some other thing to run it in a vm |
| 08:07.53 | neotic | could this problem be because i'm chrooting from a 2.6based livecd? |
| 08:08.03 | neotic | i mean, the system boots up nicely otherwise |
| 08:08.15 | neotic | just that i need the root :/ |
| 08:08.37 | simonrvn | well, there's some ideas *hint* ^^^ |
| 08:09.02 | neotic | simonrvn: so how to acquire the 2.2 rootpasswd? =D |
| 08:09.17 | neotic | start cracking the md5? ;P |
| 08:09.23 | Crypticfortune | neotic: ahhh i thought this was some box that _always_ ran this chroot. you're just trying to replace the old password. do what simonrvn said re vipw ;) |
| 08:09.43 | Crypticfortune | neotic: not cracking. just overwrite it with something you know. |
| 08:09.43 | neotic | vipw: Couldn't make backup: Function not implemented |
| 08:09.47 | neotic | vipw: /etc/passwd is unchanged |
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| 08:11.34 | simonrvn | afk |
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| 08:13.03 | zafy | hey, noob, question any one can point me in the right direction to do the following : I have an etch server linked to a domain name and I want to have support@domain.net type adresses |
| 08:13.03 | Crypticfortune | neotic: i think probably the better choice would be to edit it from outside that chroot (ie just use any normal editor, and remember to make a backup first, in case you screw it up) |
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| 08:13.20 | zafy | I'm guessing I have to install a mail server on it |
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| 08:14.33 | zafy | anyone ? |
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| 08:15.55 | sep | zafy, yes but you probably allready have exim there. so you can try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 08:16.23 | zafy | sep, and then ? do you have a tutorial or somthing to help with that ? |
| 08:18.08 | sep | there are hundreds on the internet, depending on how complex (many features) you want it. for a simple solution giving sane answers to dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config should be sufficient |
| 08:18.19 | sep | as long as you have dns and mx pointers correct ofcourse |
| 08:18.24 | zafy | ok thanks |
| 08:18.33 | zafy | sep, mx pointers ? |
| 08:18.33 | Bushmills | zafy: do you have "domain.net": alreasy? |
| 08:18.39 | zafy | Bushmills, yeah |
| 08:18.42 | zafy | We purchased it |
| 08:18.55 | zafy | and if you type the domain name you get to our web app |
| 08:19.14 | Bushmills | ok. set up an smtp server, and add an mx record to dns |
| 08:19.26 | zafy | Bushmills, what's mx ? |
| 08:19.35 | Bushmills | mail exchange record |
| 08:19.52 | zafy | Bushmills, what's that ? how do I add it ? how do I know it ? |
| 08:19.53 | Bushmills | so other smtp server know what machine deals with mail to domain |
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| 08:20.41 | sep | zafy, the dns record that say "mail for domain domain.net" should go to machine mailserver.domain.net then you need a A record that say mailserver.domain.net = [your machines ip address] |
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| 08:21.02 | zafy | sep ok |
| 08:21.17 | Bushmills | that's one line in the zone files of the dns which has ip addresses about your domain |
| 08:21.39 | sep | zafy, and if you intend to send mail out to the big internet you allso need your isp to setup a PTR record saying [you'r ip address] = mailserver.domain.net (or another valid hostname for your machine) |
| 08:22.23 | sep | zafy, you probably do this via a web login wherever you got your domain. unless you run your own nameserver |
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| 08:22.33 | ghatak | Hi, one of my boxes has randomly rebooted over the past week. Each time it came back clean, however I can not figure out why it rebooted in the first place. There is nothing in logs and no power failure either. Any thoughts or suggestions on what can i do to find out ? |
| 08:22.35 | zafy | sep, ok |
| 08:22.39 | sep | except for the PTR part that you have to ask from your isp |
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| 08:25.56 | Bushmills | oh, you probably want a static ip address too |
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| 08:30.00 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 08:31.41 | zafy | sep, hum just realized my domain name provider gives me 5 free email adresses |
| 08:31.54 | zafy | I misht just do that, gains time |
| 08:31.56 | zafy | might |
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| 08:35.59 | buscon | quite silly question - whats the english name of # ? |
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| 08:37.29 | _milligan | hash |
| 08:37.33 | _milligan | Isn't it ? |
| 08:37.38 | properze1 | yup |
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| 08:38.23 | Hyphenex | Hey, I'm trying to look at a web page that has a Java animation on it, is there an easy way to get Java? (say, an apt-get package?) |
| 08:38.24 | sep | buscon, pick one { number sign; pound; pound sign; hash; sharp; crunch; hex; mesh; grid; crosshatch; octothorpe; flash; square, pig-pen; tictactoe; scratchmark; thud; thump; splat } |
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| 08:39.40 | Bushmills | and garden fence |
| 08:40.04 | properze1 | Hyphenex: is giving you 'apt-cache search j2re' some options? |
| 08:40.21 | jelly | Hyphenex: /msg dpkg java plugin |
| 08:40.38 | properze1 | thats even smoother |
| 08:40.46 | buscon | sep, thanx |
| 08:40.57 | Hyphenex | properze1: only some OpenOffice thing |
| 08:41.38 | properze1 | Hyphenex: oh. then check out jellys answer |
| 08:42.09 | properze1 | trys it himself |
| 08:42.55 | Hyphenex | cool thanks, it's installing now :) |
| 08:42.56 | properze1 | that looks good. |
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| 08:47.49 | Ace_NoOne | when I do "apt-get install [already-installed package]", why does it sometimes say "1 newly installed"? is that an update then? |
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| 08:49.38 | Lagbolt | Ace_NoOne, wierd |
| 08:49.41 | Lagbolt | mine doesnt |
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| 08:49.47 | motti | hi all |
| 08:49.51 | Lagbolt | it says already install installed |
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| 08:49.56 | Lagbolt | hi motti |
| 08:50.01 | alpaco | where are my ssh keys stored? |
| 08:50.08 | motti | is there anyone willing to help me with symphony one issue? |
| 08:50.18 | properze1 | alpaco: ~/.ssh |
| 08:50.19 | motti | or are you like ubuntu people who got mad over me |
| 08:50.24 | Bushmills | Ace_NoOne: that could happen when an update of a package installs a new dependency. |
| 08:50.27 | Ace_NoOne | Lagbolt: well, it happened with apache2, and I just tested it again with Git - if I run the same again now, I get "already installed" |
| 08:50.55 | Ace_NoOne | Bushmills: but it said "apache2" / "git" - no other package |
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| 08:51.30 | Lagbolt | with git? are u using a deb or using git? |
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| 08:51.54 | daya | My gdm, doens't get started, but startx do work, I can't even see any error log, what might be problem |
| 08:52.04 | Ace_NoOne | Lagbolt: well, I actually tested the git thing on my local Ubuntu workstation - where I know Git was installed before |
| 08:52.15 | Ace_NoOne | but apache2 was on the Debian server |
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| 08:52.55 | properze1 | daya: /etc/init.d/gdm start? is that what you are doing? |
| 08:53.15 | motti | anyone/ |
| 08:53.17 | motti | ? |
| 08:53.22 | Lagbolt | i am not sure what are you doing? is the package broken or are you just curious about why it says that? |
| 08:53.26 | Mathiazz | i have a VI question : i would like to know the right command to change EVERY occurence of a string with CONFIRMATION, in fact ":%s/toto/titi/g" is working but ":%s/toto/titi/c" just change an item per line |
| 08:53.37 | daya | properze1, yes I start it, it doesn't show any error, but gdm process is not started |
| 08:53.47 | Lagbolt | motti, i dont know symphony |
| 08:53.52 | Bushmills | Mathiazz: append a "g" |
| 08:53.52 | daya | properze1, ps aux |grep gdm not found |
| 08:53.57 | Ace_NoOne | Lagbolt: I'm curious why it says "The following NEW packages will be installed: apache2" even though apache2 was installed before |
| 08:54.18 | Lagbolt | lotus notes? |
| 08:54.19 | motti | http://symphonyos.com/cms/ |
| 08:54.32 | Lagbolt | Ace_NoOne, what do you get with "dpkg -l | grep apache2 |
| 08:54.33 | motti | this was for Lagbolt |
| 08:54.43 | Mathiazz | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.46 | Ace_NoOne | motti: a) you haven't explained yet what your problem actually is b) your Ubuntu bashing is a pretty bad attempt at social engineering |
| 08:54.54 | Ace_NoOne | Lagbolt: gold on |
| 08:54.56 | Ace_NoOne | *hold |
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| 08:55.44 | Lagbolt | motti, it is a ubuntu based system eh? |
| 08:55.45 | Ace_NoOne | Lagbolt: about 10 lines of apache2 and libapache2 thingies |
| 08:55.50 | properze1 | daya: strange .. but your x config is working you say? is helpful stuff in /var/log/Xorg.0.log maybe |
| 08:55.50 | Lagbolt | ubuntu people cant help? what is the problem |
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| 08:56.01 | Lagbolt | Ace_NoOne, can you pastebin the output please |
| 08:56.13 | Ace_NoOne | of course |
| 08:56.36 | Ace_NoOne | Lagbolt: http://pastebin.ca/993016 |
| 08:56.49 | Ace_NoOne | but that's after running "apt-get install apache2" |
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| 08:57.06 | Ace_NoOne | (I ran that just because I wanted to be 100% sure, following a WebDAV guide verbatim) |
| 08:57.29 | Lagbolt | so it is isntalled? what if you do it again. does it say 1 new package installed? or not |
| 08:57.38 | Ace_NoOne | Lagbolt: not anymore now, no |
| 08:57.40 | motti | Lagbolt, tell that to the ubuntu people. I almost lost my head at their forums |
| 08:57.50 | Lagbolt | i am confused. so what is the problem? lol wasnt installed now it is? lol |
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| 08:58.31 | eljo | hi - anyone ever tried to authenticate against an iSeries LDAP server? |
| 08:58.36 | Lagbolt | motti, you will find a lot of people are not willing to help on a technicality lol. if i can help i will but it is not debian related so best to not be off topic in here so you can PM me if you like |
| 08:58.38 | Ace_NoOne | Lagbolt: I'm confused as well... the thing is: it was definitely installed before - so I don't get why it was installed again with that command |
| 08:58.41 | StarkD | how do I change the default font size for xterm to "Small"? I've Google up that a .Xdefaults file should be created with some settings in it, but I don't find an example for "Small" font size |
| 08:58.59 | Lagbolt | lol how do you know it was def installed before Ace_NoOne , did you do a dpkg -l and see it 100% sure lol |
| 08:59.11 | Lagbolt | i dont know, cause if it is not doing it now after we know it is installed i would be suspect |
| 08:59.20 | Lagbolt | maybe it got deconfigured when you installed something else |
| 08:59.42 | Ace_NoOne | Lagbolt: well, that server's been hosting websites for years... |
| 08:59.57 | Lagbolt | and it was installed as a package and not compiled? |
| 09:00.20 | Ace_NoOne | I didn't set it up - might this apt-get installing have broken something then? |
| 09:01.21 | Lagbolt | Ace_NoOne, hard to say. i dont know the answer to that. without seeing what it was before you installed it . . . there isnt enough info |
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| 09:01.29 | daya | properze1, can't find any necessary stuff there, I am too confused, I even reconfigure X , still not working |
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| 09:01.35 | Ace_NoOne | Lagbolt: yeah, I figured - thanks anyway! |
| 09:01.47 | Mathiazz | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.51 | Mathiazz | CG |
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| 09:04.53 | vvd | to eneable cron in debian should i "update-rc.d" anacron AND cron or only anacron, or only cron? |
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| 09:05.36 | vvd | my guess is cron only |
| 09:05.55 | vvd | cron launches anacron or so...right? |
| 09:06.29 | properze1 | daya: damn |
| 09:06.47 | daya | properze1, :)= |
| 09:07.06 | properze1 | the connection tracking for ipv6 in etch looks bung. how do people solve that? |
| 09:07.31 | properze1 | customized kernels? etchnhalf kernels? |
| 09:08.17 | properze1 | its like you cant build a ip6tables firewall properly? |
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| 09:10.46 | vvd | could anyone on etch plz ls /etc/rc?.d|grep anacron and tell me of it displays something or not? |
| 09:11.29 | vvd | s/of/if/ |
| 09:11.30 | vvd | ^^) |
| 09:11.45 | properze1 | no output for me |
| 09:11.49 | vvd | ty |
| 09:11.54 | properze1 | np |
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| 09:14.03 | MrMist | Any way to log all disk-writes in a system? |
| 09:14.25 | keyvision | hi all. I have a dual Xoen processors system and I'd like to use Xen. which would be the correct kernel? |
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| 09:15.13 | properze1 | linux-image-2.6-xen-686 |
| 09:15.37 | properze1 | but you thought about using vserver? |
| 09:16.05 | keyvision | yes |
| 09:16.24 | properze1 | but a no go? |
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| 09:17.34 | keyvision | I'd like to see compile option of a kernel before installing it.. how can I do ? |
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| 09:18.37 | keyvision | may I download the sources and use make menuconfig? |
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| 09:19.34 | properze1 | try linux-headers-2.6.18-4-xen-686 and compile it yes.. but its nasty to maintain in my eyes |
| 09:20.06 | lordmorgoth | hey guys. i deleted some of the groups on my pc, by mistake. i couldn't log into X, i recreated the group gdm, but still there are a lot of them missing, do u know anyway to restore the default groups or a list of them ? |
| 09:20.42 | properze1 | keyvision: sorry that should have been 2.6.18-6-XX .. but still i wouldnt do that |
| 09:20.55 | properze1 | and shit. gf is coming home gotta go |
| 09:20.58 | properze1 | & |
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| 09:22.34 | Bushmills | lol .. she trained him well :) |
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| 09:22.59 | Ace_NoOne | how can I get an overview of user accounts and groups on a system? |
| 09:23.15 | Lagbolt | an overview? |
| 09:23.22 | Lagbolt | like who are the users? |
| 09:23.22 | petemc | MrMist: echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| 09:23.27 | Lagbolt | what groups? |
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| 09:24.43 | Ace_NoOne | Lagbolt: yes, which user accounts exist, which groups they belong to, which permissions - whatever is relevant |
| 09:25.09 | Lagbolt | well /etc/group has all the groups |
| 09:25.32 | Lagbolt | users generally start at 1000, you can look in /etc/passwd |
| 09:26.20 | Ace_NoOne | hmm |
| 09:26.20 | Lagbolt | unless someone deleted their home folders all users should have a dir in /home. not sure if there is a list command for users other than lookin in group or passwd file |
| 09:26.32 | Ace_NoOne | ok thanks |
| 09:29.17 | ronr | I try to backup a lot of data (300 GB) to an external usb harddrive, however every time around 50GB the thing totally crashes, dmesg shows messages like usb 4-4: usb_sg_cancel, unlink --> -19, what can I do about this? |
| 09:30.27 | Lagbolt | ronr, sounds like a problem. is that the only error |
| 09:30.36 | Lagbolt | what is in syslog or kern.log |
| 09:31.02 | Bushmills | ronr: is there any suspend mode involved? via acpi or apm? |
| 09:31.05 | ronr | Lagbolt: the kern.log also shows usb 4-4: USB disconnect, address 3 |
| 09:31.17 | Lagbolt | tried diff usb ports? |
| 09:31.22 | Lagbolt | try usb drive on another machine |
| 09:31.27 | ronr | Bushmills: only it those are on by default |
| 09:31.41 | ronr | Lagbolt: ok, I'll try that |
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| 09:32.07 | Bushmills | ronr: i'd probably try to turn off acpi at boot time, and make sure that no apm support is loaded |
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| 09:32.23 | ronr | Lagbolt: thx (it'll take a long time before I got the results) |
| 09:32.49 | ronr | Bushmills: I'll check the bios (guess that's where I should turn it off) |
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| 09:35.01 | lykaios | ipcop |
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| 09:37.17 | Knight_Lord | How can i figure out what version of nfs is used in a client during mount? |
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| 09:38.32 | Bushmills | Knight_Lord: i *think* -t nfs is v3, nfs4 is v4 |
| 09:39.21 | Bushmills | thus you'd look into/at fstab, auto.xxx, or command line |
| 09:40.39 | GarulfoUnix | Hello everyone, someone uses : iwl4965: Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN ? Because i don't have any interfaces about that. I installed "firmeware-iwlwifi" and did "modprobe iwl4965" but without effects :/ |
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| 09:41.27 | themill | !tell GarulfoUnix about iwlwifi |
| 09:41.44 | GarulfoUnix | thanks |
| 09:42.10 | themill | GarulfoUnix: is the device listed in "ifconfig -a" and "iwconfig"? |
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| 09:43.38 | GarulfoUnix | themill: http://rafb.net/p/M0Hakl60.html . No, when i do "ifconfig -a", i've only got "lo" and "eth0" interfaces. |
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| 09:47.14 | keyvision | guy, by installing linux-kernel 686 xen my grub say "Invalid or unsupported file format". any ideas? |
| 09:48.08 | keyvision | the correct version I'm using is the "linux-image-2.6-xen-686" |
| 09:48.54 | azeem | keyvision: maybe that one is supposed to be started by a xen hypervisor, not by grub? |
| 09:48.59 | azeem | doesn't know much about xen |
| 09:49.55 | petemc | keyvision: what does it say for the kernel line in grub? |
| 09:50.14 | N3bunel | saluta |
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| 09:50.31 | keyvision | ups... this is the reason .... so I only need to start up linux-image-2.6-686.. and then the supervisor starts up the xen kernel ... |
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| 09:50.37 | alesan | hi, how do I install "killall"? |
| 09:50.49 | themill | GarulfoUnix: that pastebin is saying that you don't have the firmware |
| 09:50.49 | alesan | it is not installed by default in this base installation... |
| 09:50.56 | alesan | which package it belongs to? |
| 09:51.06 | themill | !tell alesan about search |
| 09:51.25 | keyvision | but do I need the patched version of the kernel for starting up my dom0 machine? |
| 09:51.26 | GarulfoUnix | themill: i've installed the package |
| 09:51.34 | GarulfoUnix | but the result is always the same |
| 09:51.38 | petemc | keyvision: can you answer my question? |
| 09:51.46 | themill | GarulfoUnix: it shows up in "apt-cache policy firmware-iwlwifi" as being Installed? |
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| 09:52.09 | GarulfoUnix | themill: yes |
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| 09:52.27 | alesan | themill: can you tell me which packages I have to install to get the "killall" command? |
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| 09:53.37 | GarulfoUnix | alesan: you don't have to install any packages to get it |
| 09:53.55 | alesan | GarulfoUnix: explain, what do you mean |
| 09:54.06 | GarulfoUnix | that's a system command |
| 09:54.17 | GarulfoUnix | so, you must have it by default. |
| 09:54.22 | themill | alesan: I'd rather teach you how to fish. Go to http://packages.debian.org/ and put killall in the "search contents of packages" box at the bottom. |
| 09:54.23 | alesan | ja ok. |
| 09:55.03 | alesan | themill: I know how to use apt, only this installatoin is a remote NSLU2 for which I have an extremely slow connection to |
| 09:55.04 | themill | GarulfoUnix: psmisc is not an essential package; it's not installed by default. |
| 09:55.11 | alesan | and I wanted to avoi any apt-cache search on it |
| 09:55.22 | alesan | now I have installed it already (psmisc) |
| 09:55.32 | ix | well, he gave you an URL. |
| 09:56.01 | themill | alesan: using packages.debian.org is quite useful for you then. Or you can use the dpkg bot here on #debian. /msg dpkg find usr/bin/killall |
| 09:56.24 | alesan | hey - I solved minutes ago, thanks :) |
| 09:56.48 | themill | alesan: just for future reference! |
| 09:57.25 | alesan | I realized I was very stressed and I just needed some human touch :) |
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| 09:58.40 | redduck666 | i managed to fsck my /var/lib/dpkg/status file, is there any way to regenerate it? |
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| 09:59.04 | themill | GarulfoUnix: what kernel are you using? What version of the iwlwifi driver? |
| 09:59.21 | Miouge | which option should i enable to install openssh-server with the netinst CD ? |
| 09:59.28 | GarulfoUnix | 2.6.24-1-amd64 |
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| 10:00.15 | GarulfoUnix | themill: i tried to install the iwlwifi driver by the documentation that you gave me, but the driver doesn't compile. |
| 10:00.19 | themill | GarulfoUnix: And you're not using a separately downloaded iwlwifi? just the one from the debian kernel package |
| 10:00.35 | themill | GarulfoUnix: that howto is mainly for the .22 and .23 kernels |
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| 10:01.25 | GarulfoUnix | themill: no i got the iwlwifi by the URL |
| 10:02.54 | themill | GarulfoUnix: OK. It seems that you have a mismatch between the iwlwifi version and the firmware version. (I think that is what "Reason -2" means in dmesg.) Either stick to the iwlwifi that's already in the kernel, or make sure that you download and install the newer iwlwifi *and* firmware from the intel site. |
| 10:03.55 | themill | GarulfoUnix: also try "modprobe -r iwl4965; modprobe iwl4965" to see if you get that message again in dmesg |
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| 10:04.52 | keyvision | I solved the Xen Problem by installing xen-tools |
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| 10:05.42 | GarulfoUnix | hum themill, i did "modprobe -r iwl4965; modprobe iwl4965" and right now, i've got an "wlan0" interface :] |
| 10:05.46 | GarulfoUnix | thanks a lot themill |
| 10:05.47 | GarulfoUnix | :) |
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| 10:06.00 | themill | GarulfoUnix: hmmm... I don't like it when the windows approach works :( |
| 10:06.09 | Manfred | hello. I have heard, that there is some 1-cd debian distro for networking purposes. If it exists, where I can find it? :) |
| 10:06.23 | pif | grml.org |
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| 10:07.47 | Manfred | pif: great thanks |
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| 10:24.14 | markybob | is there a command to have dpkg join another channel? |
| 10:24.16 | Lagbolt | lallala |
| 10:24.22 | Lagbolt | no idea |
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| 10:26.35 | Zoup | im looking for a guide on udeb creation , any idea ? |
| 10:26.37 | themill | markybob: no. Ask dondelelcaro about it. |
| 10:26.49 | Blackhold | hello... I have updated my debian and now numeric pad don't works, nor x-window, nor tty, anyone have an idea of what could happen? I tried to configure keyboard on x but continues not working |
| 10:27.15 | Zoup | Blackhold: aa emm ... num lock ? |
| 10:27.22 | Blackhold | no |
| 10:27.29 | Blackhold | hehehe... was first I tried |
| 10:27.34 | themill | !doesn't work |
| 10:27.34 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 10:28.03 | markybob | dondelelcaro i'm the lead developer of deluge, and a lot of the questions we get are part of dpkg's factoids. i was hoping that i could get the bot to visit #deluge as well, please :) |
| 10:28.16 | Zoup | themill: guess that don't work was clear enough :) |
| 10:28.26 | themill | indeed |
| 10:29.27 | themill | markybob: he's unlikely to be online at the moment, but he'll probably get back to you at some stage. Or try again later (he's usually around in about 6 to 10 hours' time) |
| 10:29.44 | markybob | themill will do, thanks |
| 10:29.57 | themill | np |
| 10:30.21 | tarzeau | markybob: hey! |
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| 10:30.34 | markybob | tarzeau hey there. been a while :) |
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| 10:32.04 | Blackhold | sorry, in tty works |
| 10:32.18 | Blackhold | how to see wich keyboard layout is using linux on tty? |
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| 10:33.28 | markybob | Blackhold you could always do `dpkg-reconfigure console-data` |
| 10:33.42 | Blackhold | yes... but the tty works |
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| 10:33.53 | Blackhold | if something works, DON'T TOUCH! |
| 10:34.19 | Blackhold | markybob: how see wich keyboard layout is using tty |
| 10:34.42 | gynterk | type some letters in and you see |
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| 10:34.52 | markybob | i just told you. the currently set will be selected |
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| 10:39.29 | Blackhold | markybob: but... where goes dpkg-reconfigure console-data to see wich keyboard is used? |
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| 10:43.28 | Dazgard | hi there |
| 10:43.29 | Dazgard | :) |
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| 10:43.57 | Dazgard | is there a better way to compile debian packages than apt-build please |
| 10:43.58 | Dazgard | ? |
| 10:44.01 | enouf | amphi: [about fstab/pmount/udev] if you gave/have your (usb/external) device by LABEL, and append/create a udev rule for it, wouldn't that device always be mounted (or mountable) at say /media/LABEL ? |
| 10:44.40 | enouf | Dazgard: dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 10:45.37 | Dazgard | dpkg-buildpackage does build dependencies too ? |
| 10:46.31 | enouf | apt-get build-dep |
| 10:47.08 | Dazgard | thank you man |
| 10:47.11 | Dazgard | ;) |
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| 10:48.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | has the recent upload of dpkg with triggers+debv3 caused problems for sid packages and etch? i cant apt-get source [iceweasel,youtube-dl]. they error out |
| 10:50.02 | Hungmanmoojoo | hiya |
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| 10:51.12 | Hungmanmoojoo | anyone know about a program that visually show you the size of different folders in linux? i know one good for windoze thats called spacemonger |
| 10:51.28 | tarzeau | Hungmanmoojoo: the file manager of kde can do that |
| 10:51.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | i know some exist, i couldnt give you names |
| 10:51.56 | tarzeau | xdu can do it too, but the kde one looks much nicer |
| 10:52.25 | Hungmanmoojoo | hmm... kde apps works in fluxbox right? |
| 10:52.37 | Hungmanmoojoo | do you know the name of it? |
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| 10:52.55 | Dazgard | someone knows how to define a pgp key for apt-build please ? |
| 10:53.10 | Dazgard | i have a local repo, and would like a key for it |
| 10:53.13 | enouf | tarzeau: by 'kde file manager', you mean konqueror, yes? |
| 10:53.24 | markybob | Dazgard /msg dpkg no public key |
| 10:53.33 | markybob | Dazgard it's the same principle |
| 10:54.02 | tarzeau | enouf: i think so |
| 10:54.03 | Dazgard | ok |
| 10:54.10 | Dazgard | /msg dpkg no public key |
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| 10:54.35 | Hungmanmoojoo | oof... konqueror.. that feels a little bit to much bloat for me |
| 10:54.37 | Dazgard | /msg dpkg no public key |
| 10:54.40 | enouf | Dazgard: IINM, man dpkg-buildpackage speaks about that (see -uc -ub options) ..oh, you want apt-build again |
| 10:54.52 | Dazgard | lol |
| 10:54.56 | Hungmanmoojoo | i'll try xdu |
| 10:55.06 | Dazgard | yes, because of the lcoal repo, mainly |
| 10:55.17 | enouf | Dazgard: your irc client is placing a <tab> as 1st space |
| 10:55.42 | Dazgard | :s, that dammed pigin.... |
| 10:55.46 | enouf | Dazgard: notice --> <Dazgard> /msg dpkg no public key |
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| 10:55.57 | enouf | yep, i knew it was pidgin just from that |
| 10:56.00 | Hungmanmoojoo | i'm using pidgin too |
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| 10:56.45 | themill | Hungmanmoojoo: filelight is good for that. |
| 10:56.58 | enouf | Hungmanmoojoo: well, that said, IINM, kde4 will have other file managers avail .. (when it's ready, it) |
| 10:57.05 | enouf | it's beta |
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| 10:58.03 | amphi | enouf: yes, I think a udev rule would do it; I'll look into it 'nearer the time' ;) |
| 10:58.18 | enouf | amphi: ;-) |
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| 10:59.01 | enouf | amphi: ever look at /etc/default/discover lately? O_o |
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| 10:59.15 | Daky | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:59.23 | amphi | not, er, lately, no |
| 10:59.25 | Hungmanmoojoo | thanx themill... will try it... xdu wanst really nice |
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| 11:00.27 | amphi | enouf: that'd be because I don't have that file here |
| 11:00.50 | enouf | amphi: look like that's where "/media" is set ... who would've guessed/known? ,, ahhh - perhaps it's a remnant here ;-) |
| 11:01.04 | enouf | er relic ;-) |
| 11:01.18 | amphi | 'remnant' is good |
| 11:01.37 | amphi | 'an archaic word for "cruft"' ;) |
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| 11:02.11 | enouf | hehe |
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| 11:03.19 | enouf | not much in it, one line is; CDROM_BASE_MOUNTPOINT=/media/ |
| 11:03.24 | _subzero_ | hello everyone! Please explain me how I should correctly setup firehol for hplip network printing. According to official docs, I created a custom service for ports "tcp/161 udp/161 tcp/162 udp/162 tcp/9100 udp/9100" in firehol.conf and opened server ports for that service, but hp-setup still can't find my network printer when firewall is up and running... |
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| 11:08.23 | enouf | _subzero_: i have no idea - but ar you using gnome or kde ? |
| 11:08.38 | _subzero_ | kde. why? |
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| 11:09.02 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: apt-get source iceweasel works for me here (running etch, sid sources being downloaded) |
| 11:09.04 | enouf | _subzero_: go into kcontrol -> see Network area and Printing area |
| 11:09.26 | Hungmanmoojoo | woohoo.. i just found 3.6 gig of space i didn't know i had... on 12 gig disk |
| 11:09.28 | Hungmanmoojoo | joy |
| 11:09.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | schweet |
| 11:09.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | Does anyone know where I might be able to find small flat white LEDs? |
| 11:10.15 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm thinking of a laptop modding project, replacing the backlight with LEDs |
| 11:10.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill, must be something iv'e rooted then :\ |
| 11:10.28 | Blast_Hardcheese | Don't know where to get the LEDs though. |
| 11:11.00 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: it takes a lot of disk space, you didn't fill tmp or something did you? |
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| 11:12.24 | enouf | _subzero_: i see konq has a kioslave for "print:/" -- also not sure if cups or anything is involved, that would be http://localhost:631: perhaps - maybe #debian-kde can help more, or #kde or something |
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| 11:14.05 | enouf | Blast_Hardcheese: MalWart sells christmas tree LEDs :-) |
| 11:14.15 | Blast_Hardcheese | Somehow I doubt that :) |
| 11:14.31 | enouf | i'm not kidding, google |
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| 11:15.23 | enouf | (not that those are exactly what you want) |
| 11:15.30 | themill | !tell andeghos1 about root |
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| 11:16.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | enouf: Right |
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| 11:19.02 | _subzero_ | enouf: thank you for responding, but my problem is: when my firewall is on, hplip doesn't see the printer, when it is off, it finds the printer perfectly. So, the problem seems to be with firewal settings. However, I don't no which ports to open in firewall to set up it properly. Maybe you've used HP network printers at some point and you had to face the same problem? |
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| 11:20.23 | enouf | Blast_Hardcheese: one place that might though ; http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?FS=TRUE&Ntt=*LED*&Ne=254242+1447464&N=254242+1323038&Ntx=mode%2bmatchall&Ns=P_SField&OriginalKeyword=LED&Ntk=Mouser_Wildcards |
| 11:20.30 | enouf | ewww.. lmao |
| 11:20.47 | enouf | Blast_Hardcheese: go to the TLD and search |
| 11:21.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | Oh, mouser, totally forgot about them |
| 11:21.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | awesome, thanks :) |
| 11:22.16 | enouf | _subzero_: apologies, no, i haven't personally - also ask about in ##linux, or find some firewall channels/groups, search googlegroups.com perhaps |
| 11:22.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill, good point |
| 11:22.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, yes i have filled / :| teach me to build software as root ... |
| 11:23.12 | enouf | _subzero_: hehe, $ grep print /etc/services |
| 11:23.12 | enouf | printer 515/tcp spooler # line printer spooler |
| 11:23.13 | _subzero_ | enouf: thank you, I'll try to ask there... |
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| 11:23.57 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: I did it in /tmp and at about the same time as unpacking failed, vmware started bitching at me... |
| 11:24.01 | _subzero_ | well, let's try 515/tcp... |
| 11:24.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill, i tried iceweasel... its slightly larger then i expected :| |
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| 11:28.08 | _subzero_ | enouf: nope, it still won't work... (( but thanks anyway |
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| 11:34.26 | mirco | Hi all, could someone pls tell me if the amd64-Xen-Kernel in etch is PAE enabled? |
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| 11:36.12 | Lagbolt | no idea :( |
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| 11:38.21 | themill | mirco: isn't PAE only needed for 32bit kernels? |
| 11:38.23 | YodaYoda | mirco: I thought that PAE is an extension to 32 bit to 36 bit so a 64 bit kernel shouldn't have it, though I am not certain. |
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| 11:38.41 | enouf | themill: correct |
| 11:39.37 | enouf | mirco: no pae on 64bit - unless you mean some sort of xen issue (32bit guests in 64bit hosts or something) |
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| 11:48.07 | gui | hi |
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| 11:48.42 | gui | please what's the better solution to connect many monitor to the same tower ? I need 4 or 6 monitor (with xorg) ! |
| 11:48.58 | gui | in 22" format I only have VGA entry for the monitors |
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| 12:02.24 | mirco | enouf: that's what I mean: I need to run a 32bit DomU inside a 64bit Dom0! Can you tell where to find some doc's how to do so?? |
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| 12:04.32 | enouf | mirco: erm is 64bit DomU within 64bit Dom0 even possibleusing xen? if not, the default will be 32bit ;-) |
| 12:04.59 | enouf | mirco: (maybe an xen-etch limitation) , no idea |
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| 12:05.33 | mirco | enouf: my DomU's on etch all have a lib64 folder, so they should be 64bit... |
| 12:06.01 | mirco | enouf: Linux mail 2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 18:02:52 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 12:06.13 | mirco | enouf: from my Mail-DomU |
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| 12:06.28 | enouf | gui: this is the only thing i know of even close to what you want http://www.linuxtoys.org/multiseat/multiseat.html |
| 12:06.51 | enouf | gui: (or, from what i can ascertain) |
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| 12:07.36 | enouf | mirco: i just don't know offhand - tried #debian-amd64 ? |
| 12:07.41 | enouf | or -xen ? |
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| 12:09.03 | mirco | enouf: I'm in #xen .... but thank's I didn't try or know about #debian-amd64 |
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| 12:10.01 | enouf | mirco: yeah. not sure it's even applicable to your situation though |
| 12:10.01 | mirco | enouf: there's not that much traffic in #debian-amd64 |
| 12:10.26 | mirco | I'll read and come back with the info if helpfull or not... |
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| 12:12.23 | mirco | enouf: I thought the doc is for me after flying through the page and wondering I saw it was for gui... |
| 12:12.44 | cpn42 | yop MrMopi |
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| 12:19.17 | SnuS | Hello. I'm having some trouble dist-upgrading from etch to lenny. Getting a libc6 error. Could anyone offer some insight ? http://pastebin.com/m31749489 . Thanks |
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| 12:21.57 | Osx86 | Hi all |
| 12:22.24 | Osx86 | Does somebody what distro, perhaps based on Debian, could i use for hardware testing |
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| 12:22.54 | awox | lo guys |
| 12:23.01 | k-man__ | is there any issues with building the fglrx modules with 2.6.25? |
| 12:23.14 | Osx86 | i got many kernel panics this last week so i supposed i've got hardware problems |
| 12:23.28 | Osx86 | awox: hello |
| 12:23.32 | gui | enouf, thx u ! |
| 12:24.11 | awox | I'm having issues with khubd going batshit when I start using my USB webcams |
| 12:24.46 | enouf | gui: welcome - also look into gnu 'screen' app, it has multiuser mode ;-) |
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| 12:25.26 | awox | thing is - it has issues when the camera isn't even being used, just connected to via webcam-server. Anyone know why this might be? |
| 12:25.30 | enouf | hehe 'batshit', haven't heard that one in a while |
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| 12:26.02 | enouf | gogo gadget gidget |
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| 12:27.38 | nirupama | how to create acvs account |
| 12:27.45 | nirupama | what is the process |
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| 12:28.46 | dmilith | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioCZojN4A0g |
| 12:28.49 | dmilith | interesting |
| 12:29.20 | awox | ffs |
| 12:29.21 | creichen | Hi! I am trying to set up a packet forwarding gateway (no NAT needed). If I want no firewall, is there anything I have to do other than `echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' (with the proper modules loaded and interfaces working and cables hooked up)? |
| 12:29.32 | awox | webcam-server does it, but the crappy webcam apps don't |
| 12:29.33 | awox | :D |
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| 12:31.22 | nirupama | how to create acvs account |
| 12:31.57 | kombi | Is there no Realtime Kernel for 4.0? couldn't find one with apt-get.. |
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| 12:32.16 | dmilith | anyone tried to run debian on hp pavillon dv9605eo ? |
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| 12:32.42 | awox | hmmn, okay, khubd only hogs cpu when I run two webcams. if I run just the one it's fine! |
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| 12:38.15 | infinity0 | hey people |
| 12:38.18 | infinity0 | i just installed the "main menu" thingy |
| 12:38.29 | infinity0 | it's pretty good, but how the hell do i get rid of the "computer" text |
| 12:38.34 | infinity0 | it's taking up too much space :/ |
| 12:38.42 | infinity0 | this is GNOME, btw |
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| 12:43.02 | _haxi_ | anyway to export LD_PRELOAD= two .so ? |
| 12:43.51 | dmilith | better add specified dir to /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 12:43.58 | dmilith | and do ldconfig |
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| 12:49.12 | aldin | i have user with /bin/false, but i want him to be able to run his crontab, btw i can edit his crontab as crontab -e -u wwwuser, and put one webalizer line, since he has not /bin/bash (he has /bin/false), is it possible for wwwuser to run that webalizer, i know that i can put that command in root's crontab, but would like to stick it to wwwuser's crontab if possible - perhaps there is a way to enable only few commands for some users? |
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| 12:53.01 | corNIC | heya |
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| 12:53.19 | corNIC | im looking for cron log in debian i thought it was /var/log/cronrun ? |
| 12:53.24 | corNIC | but nothing is there |
| 12:53.40 | corNIC | just wanting to verify cron jobs i have are running :s |
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| 12:54.16 | petemc | corNIC: look in syslog |
| 12:54.22 | corNIC | i've been doing some reading maybe I need to update syslog daemon? |
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| 12:55.38 | corNIC | petemc i found this in syslog Apr 21 07:52:08 zomg kernel: srcds_i686[19841]: segfault at ae67d2df eip b1e7b2b6 esp bf9d6b30 error 4 |
| 12:55.43 | corNIC | lol not good i dont think |
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| 12:57.43 | corNIC | ahh petemc i found it in /etc/syslog.conf the cron.* line is commented out |
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| 12:59.34 | corNIC | thx for help :D |
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| 13:04.02 | dagobart- | Hi! Can anyone tell whether there is a FreePBX Debian package in Lenny? And under what name? |
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| 13:04.24 | kdub432 | how can i use apt-get to download a debian package and not install it? |
| 13:04.45 | stew | kdub432: 'apt-get -d install packagename' will put it in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 13:04.53 | corNIC | :O |
| 13:04.58 | jelly | dagobart-: apt-cache search freepbx? |
| 13:05.40 | kdub432 | thanks stew |
| 13:06.35 | dagobart- | jelly yes, or a simple ara freepbx, but otoh then why is it listed here then? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-voip/?sc=0 |
| 13:07.46 | dagobart- | or is svn.debian.org irrelevant for Lenny? |
| 13:07.47 | jelly | dagobart-: it's a version control system interface. anything could be in there |
| 13:07.59 | dagobart- | jelly okay, thanks |
| 13:08.47 | jelly | dagobart-: the way I read it is, it might become a package one day |
| 13:09.15 | abrotman | wonders if they have chocolate in there |
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| 13:10.34 | dagobart- | jelly yes, I agree |
| 13:11.18 | dagobart- | An other question, what was the command to configure X, again? |
| 13:12.06 | dagobart- | dpkg-reconfigure xorg, but apparently that was the wrong one |
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| 13:12.52 | stew | dagobart-: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-voip/freepbx/trunk/debian/changelog?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 <- says UNRELEASED, meaning its not being uploaded to unstable currently. |
| 13:13.00 | abrotman | dagobart-: xserver-xorg |
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| 13:15.23 | dagobart- | abrotman, stew: thanks for the hints |
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| 13:16.41 | bkw | Are there any tool to convert html to text in debian as package? |
| 13:17.01 | bkw | html2txt doesn't generate a correct output :( |
| 13:17.21 | stew | bkw: lynx -dump, w3m --dump |
| 13:17.44 | tarzeau | links2 -dump |
| 13:18.02 | bkw | ok, thanks |
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| 13:18.56 | corNIC | i recently have switched over from centos to debian and i must say i like debian alot better |
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| 13:19.54 | tarzeau | corNIC: nice |
| 13:19.55 | n3kl | Is there a way to see the number of masqueraded connections the iptables has in its list? |
| 13:19.57 | bkw | coolio, worked with -dump |
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| 13:20.02 | Meaw | hello, i got this message in syslog Apr 22 22:33:10 ppp insmod: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/modules.dep |
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| 13:20.33 | terror | (((( hi @ [R]ick, \homer, amethyst, ^garfield2^Off, _blop, _gAri-, _haxi_, _matt, _sss_, _subzero_, _vertigo, `nstuff, a-atwood, aardvarq, aboyz, abrotman, Acceos, ace2001ac, Ace_NoOne, adama, Adrian, Adys, AfterDeath, agnitio, Agrajag-, |
| 13:20.39 | terror | aindilis, Airbottl1, AKX, Alam_Linux, alan`, ale666, aleksanteri, alex12, alfanick, alrs, alturiak, alvarezp, amceul, amorel, amphi, andash, ApEtc, apt, ApTek, arcsky, ardis, aredhel, ArmyMan, Artarian2, asg, ashk4n, assasukasse, Authority, |
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| 13:20.48 | aleksanteri | o.O |
| 13:20.50 | corNIC | ..... |
| 13:20.57 | assasukasse | terror |
| 13:21.07 | aleksanteri | i wonder what that guy wants to accomplish |
| 13:21.11 | aleksanteri | anony us? |
| 13:21.18 | corNIC | those kind of scripts are especially annoying in channels with 700+ users |
| 13:21.18 | assasukasse | say hi to everyone :D |
| 13:21.19 | aleksanteri | s/anony/annoy/ |
| 13:21.25 | assasukasse | hi @ |
| 13:21.29 | assasukasse | eheh |
| 13:21.32 | justin | Meaw: it's been a while since you last upgraded hasn't it? |
| 13:21.54 | Meaw | justin, yep, how to fix that |
| 13:21.57 | justin | Meaw: upgrade |
| 13:21.59 | Meaw | updatedb? |
| 13:22.08 | justin | uhh no... upgrade debian |
| 13:22.09 | corNIC | anyone ever configured munin on debian before? |
| 13:22.22 | Meaw | justin, it's a sarge box |
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| 13:22.38 | n3kl | corNIC: ohow does that compare to cacti? |
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| 13:22.57 | xs | Meaw: what do you want to 'fix'? |
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| 13:23.23 | corNIC | n3kl i love it |
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| 13:23.28 | n3kl | corNIC: http://howtoforge.com/monitoring-multiple-systems-with-munin-debian-etch |
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| 13:24.30 | RedLizard | how can i configure dhclient to send the hostname with a dhcp request? |
| 13:25.11 | petemc | RedLizard: /etc/dhclient.conf |
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| 13:26.30 | RedLizard | petemc: somewhat more specific? the only option i see is 'send host-name "foo"', but that requires a hardcoded hostname in the config file |
| 13:26.33 | dtatulea | Hi. Just did a apt-get dist-upgrade on etch and I'm having some problems with acpid. It can't find /proc/acpid/events. I'm using a vanilla 2.6.24.2 kernel. |
| 13:26.47 | justin | dtatulea: /proc/acpi |
| 13:26.54 | petemc | RedLizard: right, what is it that you want? |
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| 13:27.15 | dtatulea | justin: What's with /proc/acpi? |
| 13:27.16 | RedLizard | petemc: it should send the current hostname instead |
| 13:27.29 | justin | dtatulea: it's /proc/acpi. you said /proc/acpid |
| 13:27.31 | dtatulea | justin: It's there. |
| 13:27.43 | dtatulea | justin: Yes. Sorry. |
| 13:27.48 | petemc | RedLizard: ah, not sure - sorry |
| 13:29.00 | petemc | RedLizard: if there isnt a way to do what you need, it wouldnt be too hard to s/foo/$(hostname -f)/ that file |
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| 13:29.05 | petemc | kinda hacky, i guess |
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| 13:30.35 | RedLizard | petemc: more importantly, a maintainance hassle |
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| 13:34.55 | Aprendiz_escola | Bom dia |
| 13:35.07 | Aprendiz_escola | alguem tem disponiblidade de me ajudar |
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| 13:35.43 | abrotman | !br |
| 13:35.43 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 13:36.40 | thechef | Is current debian etch libxine1 vulnerable against http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5458? |
| 13:36.56 | thechef | http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5458 |
| 13:37.06 | dtatulea | Ok, I found the bug report. It's because of my new kernel that has /proc/acpi/events disabled (ebacuse it's obsolete). Any alernatives around the standard acpid? |
| 13:37.20 | enouf | gui: screen also has a 'learning mode' (jfyi), but it's console - for X, you'll want likely NX/NoMachine or VNC (slow) |
| 13:37.41 | enouf | oh, she's dead jim |
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| 13:37.58 | enouf | dtatulea: it's been moved to /sys |
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| 13:38.40 | enouf | dtatulea: http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt#L200 |
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| 13:40.27 | abrotman | thechef: /msg dpkg dsa .. look for yourself |
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| 13:42.05 | dtatulea | enouf: Thanks. But is there a workaround for that? |
| 13:42.58 | buscon | Hi, what's the english name of this '^]' ? |
| 13:43.14 | SlayerXP | buscon: "escape character" |
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| 13:43.35 | enouf | dtatulea: i'm not up on all current events, but do; find /sys -name "*acpi*" perhaps - i'm on an older kernel here, so i can't really look too deep - or grep the kernel source |
| 13:43.48 | jelly | buscon: man ascii says ^] is called GS (group separator) |
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| 13:44.00 | abrotman | buscon: or "carat, right bracket" if you're trying to say each character |
| 13:44.09 | jelly | caret? |
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| 13:44.19 | dtatulea | enouf: Thanks. |
| 13:44.23 | abrotman | yeah .. close enough |
| 13:44.37 | thechef | abrotman: okay thanks. I don't see it there. |
| 13:45.10 | abrotman | thechef: do you know which versions it affects? |
| 13:45.49 | abrotman | thechef: or ask #xine .. or mail the debian-security mailing list |
| 13:45.57 | buscon | abrotman, jelly, SlayerXP I'm looking for the right name for xmodmap |
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| 13:47.01 | enouf | dtatulea: check out ./drivers/acpi/Kconfig though it's not clear on quick glance where the heck those controls were moved to |
| 13:47.02 | fixUp | Hi there, I was wondering if anyone has had an issue with "Fixed" fonts in Lenny ? |
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| 13:47.08 | jelly | buscon: I used xkeycaps to edit xmodmaps, once upon the time |
| 13:47.12 | thechef | abrotman: not quite, but the source code in the exploit explanation looks exactly like the source code of etch libxine1 on these lines. I heard of that exploit from here: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/Erneut-kritische-Schwachstelle-in-xine-lib--/meldung/106637 (german) |
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| 13:47.39 | buscon | jelly, yes, I'm using it too |
| 13:47.55 | buscon | but cannot find the right name for '^]' |
| 13:48.02 | jelly | thechef: you could also try #debian-security on irc.debian.org |
| 13:48.12 | thechef | jelly: thanks |
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| 13:49.49 | abrotman | thechef: so email the debian-security mailing list or file a bug on libxine1 |
| 13:50.15 | enouf | dtatulea: try to cd into the /Documentation dir, and use something like; find . -exec egrep -irl 'acpi.*sys|sys.*acpi' {} \; |
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| 13:51.46 | dtatulea | enouf: Right away. |
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| 13:52.26 | thechef | abrotman: i think they fixed it (but not yet in a release) |
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| 14:00.20 | milia | would there be any problem if I upgraded my 4.0r1 deb to 4.0r3 ? |
| 14:00.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | nope |
| 14:00.58 | milia | cool, thanx :} |
| 14:00.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | not unless a fix has introduced a regression |
| 14:01.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 14:01.14 | Hotbird-Sat | hi |
| 14:01.27 | milia | :} cos i didn't want to wait to download the latest since I had the r1 :$ :} |
| 14:01.44 | gynterk | i had potato when I upgraded to etch |
| 14:01.48 | Hotbird-Sat | i have a problem with flash plugin, i can see videos from iceweasel, but hear no sound |
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| 14:01.55 | gynterk | not directly thou |
| 14:01.58 | Hotbird-Sat | the same happens in skype |
| 14:02.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | milia, the r3 cds will just save you time installing updtes afterwards . its the same release |
| 14:02.09 | gynterk | then you have audio problem |
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| 14:02.18 | Hotbird-Sat | sound work grat on amarok and kaffeine |
| 14:02.27 | gynterk | radios? |
| 14:02.31 | gynterk | internet radios work? |
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| 14:02.39 | Hotbird-Sat | yes |
| 14:02.41 | milia | Kamping_Kaiser, ah, i get it. rN is the number of the update :} |
| 14:02.42 | gynterk | hmm |
| 14:02.46 | milia | thnx again |
| 14:02.48 | Hotbird-Sat | but flash no |
| 14:03.03 | gynterk | check flash properties |
| 14:03.07 | Hotbird-Sat | on youtube i can watch viedos |
| 14:03.12 | Hotbird-Sat | but without sound |
| 14:03.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | milia, yeah :) |
| 14:04.36 | Hotbird-Sat | the same happens with a game( urban terror) i can play, but sound is muted |
| 14:05.02 | gynterk | codecs problem |
| 14:05.16 | gynterk | alsa? |
| 14:05.20 | Hotbird-Sat | yes alsa |
| 14:05.53 | gynterk | run urban terror in terminal and paste output somewhere |
| 14:06.01 | Hotbird-Sat | ok |
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| 14:06.56 | DeadFishMan | Hotbird-Sat: IIRC Flash outputs sound to OSS. If you're using ALSA, try to follow the instructions to enable OSS emulation available at http://alsa.opensrc.org/OssEmulation |
| 14:07.10 | gynterk | and install oss too |
| 14:07.14 | gynterk | damn too late |
| 14:07.20 | Hotbird-Sat | ok |
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| 14:07.26 | Hotbird-Sat | i try this then |
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| 14:09.15 | jelly | DeadFishMan: YRW, flash9 does alsa as well |
| 14:09.35 | Hotbird-Sat | jelly: infact.. |
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| 14:10.07 | DeadFishMan | jelly: It does? Oh, well... Probably one of the things that Adobe fixed on the latest release then.... :) |
| 14:11.02 | DeadFishMan | jelly: I think that I will go back to lurking mode... ^^ |
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| 14:12.31 | jelly | DeadFishMan: it still blocks the device fwiw, but it uses alsa ;-) |
| 14:12.43 | dtatulea | enouf: After finding them, what should I do? Symlink them to /proc/acpi/events? That would be stupid. |
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| 14:16.08 | enouf | dtatulea: just use them as you would the /proc/ ones - or find out the Userspace interface meant for it |
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| 14:16.54 | dtatulea | enouf: Use them how? Change the scripts? I don't know much about acpid... |
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| 14:19.23 | milia | hmmm.. geforce 8XXX generation are not supported in 4.0 deb, are they ?:X |
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| 14:19.50 | enouf | dtatulea: i have no idea what you're trying to accomplish |
| 14:19.51 | milia | *cards |
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| 14:21.09 | dtatulea | enouf: I would like to run acpid on my kernel. |
| 14:21.33 | ru` | milia, why not |
| 14:22.37 | milia | cos i fresh installed deb 4.0r1 and X crashed, and the error-log had a list of geforce cards all from 7 series and below :} |
| 14:22.44 | milia | so i figured.. 'hmmm' |
| 14:22.54 | ru` | are you using the proprietary nvidia drivers? |
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| 14:23.09 | enouf | dtatulea: install acpi, acpid, acpi-support pkgs, read the docs etc |
| 14:23.14 | milia | not yet, just got into the system :} |
| 14:23.21 | milia | lemme see ru` ,thanx |
| 14:23.37 | dtatulea | enouf: Ok. Thanks. |
| 14:23.43 | Kevin` | you could use the vesa driver and it would work, without accelleration |
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| 14:24.11 | milia | ah and something else: is it possible for apt-get/aptitude do parallel fetch of packages, ie use 2 apt-gets at the same time? |
| 14:24.14 | enouf | dtatulea: i'm curious why you were looking for /proc/acpi/events or whatever - you mean you previously were sending echos/commands to trigger your power states? |
| 14:24.15 | milia | it'd be nice |
| 14:24.27 | ru` | apt-get install package1 package2? |
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| 14:24.43 | kdub432 | if i'm making debian package that needs a configuration file, is there a way to write a default configuration file if none exists, but leave the existing conf file if the file already exists? |
| 14:24.44 | milia | well, lets say i forgot to say the package2 in the first apt-get |
| 14:24.48 | catlee | milia, I believe it does parallel fetches to different servers, but only one fetch at a time for one server |
| 14:24.50 | corNIC | milia i dont think you would want to update/install two packages at the same time |
| 14:24.51 | milia | i'd like to do it while it runs :P |
| 14:25.24 | milia | corNIC, well, in gentoo it worked with emerge... :$ |
| 14:25.27 | milia | sorry to mention |
| 14:25.30 | corNIC | i would imagine it's possible not sure lol |
| 14:25.41 | corNIC | load up a screen and run one |
| 14:25.46 | corNIC | then another screen and run another one maybe |
| 14:26.12 | dtatulea | enouf: I wasn't doing anything with it. But it stopped acpid setup from running. And there are a few more packages left unconfigured. |
| 14:26.15 | milia | i tried it, mistakingly but it tells me that i'm stupid and have to wait :P |
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| 14:27.10 | xs | does anyone know why an etch xen domU might mount root readonly? i changed the mount options from atime to relatime and now it comes up readonly. |
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| 14:27.24 | milia | ru`, by the propiarty drivers you mean the ones that nvidia gives in her site? (NVIDIA...sh files?) |
| 14:27.42 | mikefoo | Hey, so I have spamassassinw ith sares rules, but I am still getting good amount of spam, what else can I do to fight spam guys. Any help would be appreciated. |
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| 14:27.52 | enouf | dtatulea: "it" ? oh you mean a pkg installation? meaning that file needed to exist to install? |
| 14:27.54 | Joelito | Hi all, I got a question: I'm using debian etch updated to lenny and I see that iceweasel doesn't have the GUI constrols themed according to my current gnome's. The toolbar and the menu's dialogs are but not the form controls, like buttons, input, etc, is there tweak abou it? |
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| 14:28.06 | ru` | yes, milia |
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| 14:28.17 | enouf | dtatulea: perhaps some brokeness in the meantime - you are running sid, right? |
| 14:28.19 | zumbi_ | !hi |
| 14:28.19 | dpkg | hello, zumbi_ |
| 14:28.42 | zumbi_ | how do i configure APT to grab ppc64 debs instead powerpc ? |
| 14:28.55 | milia | ru`, no haven't used them yet. I will, but thought 'the debian way' is to use the packages given by portage? (or maybe i'm being confused with the 'ubuntu' way) |
| 14:29.25 | ru` | maybe, I don't know if Debian has the nvidia drivers in its repos |
| 14:29.31 | ru` | if it does, they will be in the non-free one |
| 14:29.34 | catlee | yeah |
| 14:29.40 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:29.40 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 14:29.42 | catlee | you can use module-assistant |
| 14:29.45 | ru` | I'm using Debian testing + nvidia drivers from their site |
| 14:30.04 | dtatulea | dtatulea: it == the file. Yes, that file is used by the acpid init script, and I'm getting an error during a lenny upgrade because acpid fails starting it's init script. |
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| 14:30.21 | milia | on what card ru` ? |
| 14:30.22 | dtatulea | enouf: Sorry. Please read my previous line. |
| 14:30.28 | ru` | 8600M GT |
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| 14:30.43 | milia | cool. |
| 14:30.45 | milia | thanx :) |
| 14:30.49 | Joelito | anyone? :( |
| 14:30.53 | ru` | video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT @ Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub] |
| 14:30.57 | catlee | I use 'm-a a-i nvidia' to get the latest nvidia driver working for me |
| 14:31.04 | dtatulea | enouf: I upgraded to lenny (from etch). |
| 14:31.09 | ru` | milia, just stop gdm, switch to tty1, run the nvidia shell script |
| 14:31.41 | milia | envy ? |
| 14:31.47 | milia | ah |
| 14:31.48 | milia | sorry |
| 14:31.50 | milia | yeh, ok |
| 14:31.54 | corNIC | anyone wanna give me 50 bucks? |
| 14:31.55 | milia | i'll dload it and go |
| 14:31.56 | milia | :} |
| 14:32.11 | ru` | I don't use envy, just the nvidia drivers |
| 14:32.24 | abrotman | do not use envy on Debian |
| 14:32.35 | milia | ok |
| 14:32.43 | corNIC | the good news is your running nvidia and not ati |
| 14:32.49 | catlee | heh |
| 14:32.54 | milia | glad its good news :} |
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| 14:33.56 | enouf | dtatulea: oh, ok - hrm, well, you can disable that script temporarily to finish upgrading - could try apt-get install -f (or the aptitude equiv if you used aptitude) |
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| 14:34.43 | dtatulea | enouf: Great. That's what I was looking for. |
| 14:34.48 | milia | cool, vesa drivers still work :D |
| 14:34.55 | dtatulea | enouf: Thanks. |
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| 14:35.29 | corNIC | http://gallery.cornic.cc/main.php?g2_itemId=2869 lawl |
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| 14:36.10 | enouf | dtatulea: ;-) |
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| 14:36.44 | lexoplex | I'm trying to understand how Postfix works... A message is "delivered" when Postfix has put it into /var/mail/<user>, right? (Assuming a user local to the machine that runs postfix.) |
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| 14:37.07 | milia | another question. I have geforce 8400M G, but @ the site of nvidia it has 8400,8400 SE,GS..oO |
| 14:37.20 | milia | any ideas? |
| 14:37.53 | ru` | I think for Linux drivers, all the downloads are the same |
| 14:38.03 | abrotman | lexoplex: that sounds right .. you could also ask #postfix |
| 14:38.07 | ru` | so you can select any 8-series card |
| 14:38.17 | lexoplex | abrotman: Thanks. |
| 14:38.18 | milia | u're right |
| 14:38.20 | milia | thnx |
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| 14:42.18 | pizza_ | how can i just upgrade my version of gcc? `apt-get upgrade gcc` wants to upgrade 72 packages; i just want the latest gcc |
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| 14:42.50 | stew | pizza_: apt-get install gcc |
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| 14:43.55 | zumbi_ | do you have an idea how to configure APT to download ppc64 debs instead powerpc debs? |
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| 14:44.28 | abrotman | reinstall ? |
| 14:44.32 | pizza_ | stew: oh, ok. thanks. |
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| 14:45.29 | stew | zumbi_: man apt.conf |
| 14:46.03 | stew | zumbi_: though this is an odd request for many reasons, what are you actually trying to do? |
| 14:46.45 | zumbi_ | stew: i'm trying to install tcl and tk libs (64-bit) in a powerpc (32 bits) |
| 14:46.59 | zumbi_ | stew: but the machine is 64 bit |
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| 14:51.22 | milia | kernel-image-2.6-686 would be the kernel source for my 2.6.18-5-686 system? ...sorry for asking |
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| 14:52.22 | cahoot | I'd look for a packe containing source in it's name |
| 14:54.38 | `ru | milia: maybe linux-headers-2.6.18-5-686 |
| 14:55.07 | stew | zumbi_: are you running debian? |
| 14:55.39 | zumbi_ | stew: yes |
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| 14:56.08 | zumbi_ | stew: i just need tcl, tk and X11 libs under /lib64 |
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| 14:57.03 | stew | zumbi_: debian has a ppc64 arch? what is it called? |
| 14:57.10 | milia | that'll do `ru , thnx |
| 14:57.42 | stew | zumbi_: mixing multiple arches in the same install is not something that is generally supported |
| 14:57.55 | zumbi_ | stew: ppc64 is called. http://debian-ppc64.alioth.debian.org/debian/ |
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| 14:58.03 | zumbi_ | but it is not official |
| 14:58.36 | stew | zumbi_: i don't believe that what you are trying to do would work |
| 14:59.03 | zumbi_ | stew: i do not really want to mix, but to have those libs under /lib64, probably my approach was not the way to go, but download those packages and repack changing /lib for /lib64 |
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| 14:59.40 | zumbi_ | well, the clean way, would be to create lib64tcl, lib64tk, lib64X11 packages |
| 14:59.50 | zumbi_ | or just run ppc64 chroot |
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| 15:00.05 | spx2 | does rsync by default add new entries ? |
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| 15:00.12 | spx2 | if I use rsync -avx will it add new entries ? |
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| 15:03.51 | stew | spx2: if a file exists on the source but not the destination, it would be created there, if that is what you mean |
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| 15:04.32 | arisv | where is the problem lads: http://www.pastebin.ca/993306 ? |
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| 15:05.22 | spx2 | stew: yes,I'd like it not be created |
| 15:05.29 | spx2 | stew: what switch should I use ? |
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| 15:05.55 | MTecknology | Are there any installation guides for debian? |
| 15:06.06 | nevyn | MTecknology: sure. |
| 15:06.15 | spx2 | MTecknology: why do you need one ? |
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| 15:06.31 | nevyn | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 15:06.37 | MTecknology | I'm making a walk-through guide for a class and I was wondering if it would help anybody for me to make one |
| 15:06.42 | xerophyte | i have xen dom0 with 64bit and debian etch, if i want to create xen instance with 32 bit ..using xen-tools how can i do it ? |
| 15:06.51 | nevyn | MTecknology: steal from what's there. |
| 15:06.57 | MTecknology | :P |
| 15:07.01 | stew | spx2: i don't remember, 'man rsync' |
| 15:07.36 | nevyn | I'm procrastinating |
| 15:07.57 | MTecknology | mine's going to have pretty pictures and all :P |
| 15:08.05 | MTecknology | I probably will steal some |
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| 15:08.41 | nevyn | MTecknology: pictures? |
| 15:09.00 | MTecknology | nevyn, for each part of the install |
| 15:09.35 | nevyn | MTecknology: if you think it's nessicary. |
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| 15:09.48 | MTecknology | nevyn, no - but for the class it is |
| 15:09.49 | nevyn | is in favor of darwinism to some extent on this point. |
| 15:10.14 | nevyn | the smart students will work it out. and the ones that can't we don't want in the industry anyway. |
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| 15:10.43 | MTecknology | nevyn, lol - i agree |
| 15:10.52 | MTecknology | I remember my first linux install |
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| 15:11.20 | nevyn | MTecknology: but I'm procrastinating. |
| 15:11.35 | MTecknology | I killed it a few times... but I'm much better now |
| 15:11.36 | nevyn | I have one key selection criteria to write a responce for and I can go to sleep. |
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| 15:12.11 | stew | svn st |
| 15:12.17 | stew | EWINDOW |
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| 15:12.37 | nevyn | I hate doing job search crap. |
| 15:12.44 | nevyn | it's the suckiest bit of stuff. |
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| 15:13.18 | runa_ | ciao ho un lettore mp3 che vorrei far funzionare sotto linux; non riesco a vedere tutto cioe che ce su di esso |
| 15:13.27 | nevyn | !it |
| 15:13.28 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, prova il canale #debian-it, oppure #linux-it. |
| 15:13.40 | runa_ | ci dovrebbe essere una cartella _system pero quando lo monto non riesco a vedere |
| 15:13.52 | runa_ | mi potete dare una mano? |
| 15:14.12 | stew | runa_: english only in here, "/j #debian-it" if you want ot speak itallian |
| 15:14.24 | runa_ | thanks i did not realise |
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| 15:14.39 | nevyn | runa_: hence my !it ;) |
| 15:15.05 | nevyn | so you have a mp3 file you want to play under linux? |
| 15:15.06 | runa_ | i have a mp3 player ; there must be a folder named _system that i cant see |
| 15:15.10 | nevyn | ah. |
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| 15:15.30 | nevyn | lettore was a guess ;) |
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| 15:16.02 | runa_ | :) |
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| 15:16.31 | runa_ | can sb help me explore what is inside my mp3player |
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| 15:16.52 | runa_ | it is a gogear of philips |
| 15:17.16 | nevyn | I really should go do other stuff. |
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| 15:17.48 | \amethyst | runa_: plug it in, then ls -l /dev/disk/by-id you should see something like usb-blahblah -> ../../sdb1 |
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| 15:18.44 | \amethyst | runa_: you can mount that partition on /mnt with mount /dev/disk/by-id/usb-blah /mnt |
| 15:19.13 | \amethyst | there are probably too things listed, a usb-blah and usb-blah-part1; if so, you want the -part1 |
| 15:20.50 | arisv | grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb6. Check your device.map. |
| 15:20.56 | arisv | again and again, wtf? |
| 15:21.29 | runa_ | \amethys i cant see _system |
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| 15:24.21 | stew | arisv: is /dev populated? is this in a chroot? |
| 15:25.01 | arisv | don't know |
| 15:25.21 | arisv | i just did a dist-upgrade, and then this problem exists |
| 15:25.28 | stew | arisv: does /dev/sdb6 exist? |
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| 15:25.57 | arisv | stew: yep, it's the main partition |
| 15:26.20 | stew | arisv: does /boot/grub/device.map contain an entry for sdb? |
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| 15:27.12 | Joelio | alright guys, just done a fresh etch install and it's ended up being lenny?!?!? I used the uk.debian.org repo.. |
| 15:27.22 | arisv | stew: yep, (hd1) /dev/sdb |
| 15:27.25 | Joelio | just subsequently reinstalled and it was fine |
| 15:27.29 | arisv | and another line (hd0) /dev/hdb |
| 15:27.37 | Joelio | has there been a cockup with the sources.list? |
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| 15:27.46 | Joelio | or is it me going mad? |
| 15:27.51 | kdub432 | in the control file of debian packages, will putting a file under the Conffiles: section prevent it from being overwritten? |
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| 15:28.16 | stew | Joelio: which install cd did you use? how did you determine you were on lenny? |
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| 15:28.43 | Joelio | I used the 4.0r3 net install... when I booted it up (first time) the sources.list said lenny??!?!? |
| 15:28.45 | arisv | stew: it needs a reboot? |
| 15:29.23 | Joelio | stew: just done another installation and it's back to etch now, but I've never seen that happen before. |
| 15:29.32 | Joelio | .. and I install debian a LOT! |
| 15:29.42 | runa_ | \amethyst i cant see _system do you have any idea |
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| 15:29.56 | stew | Joelio: how did you determine you were on lenny? |
| 15:30.05 | stew | arisv: i doubt it. |
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| 15:30.34 | Joelio | stew, during the install process I saw strange libc6 upgrade questions... first boot showed the sources.list as lenny, not etch |
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| 15:30.49 | xerophyte | how can i find if debian os is 32 bit or 64 bit .. other than using uname -a |
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| 15:32.32 | amphi | xerophyte: if it has /usr/lib64 -> lib/ perhaps |
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| 15:33.12 | xerophyte | amphi: hmm its xen instance .. so just wondering .. imean domu running on 64 bit dom0 .. so just wondering how can i find out if it 32bit or |
| 15:33.12 | stew | xerophyte: dpkg-architecture |
| 15:33.18 | xerophyte | stew: thx |
| 15:34.47 | darius12 | any clue on how to debug jackd problems? I can't play any sound when using jack |
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| 15:37.17 | mike1o | how do I uncompress .daa files? |
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| 15:40.07 | maligor | power iso huh |
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| 15:41.32 | milia | ok, i managed to install the nvidia *.sh driver, but i got a message saying that it was forced to guess the X lib path and the X modules path, and if any prob occured i should use pkg-config with xorg-dev and reinstall. |
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| 15:41.41 | milia | so, i get the latter 2 |
| 15:42.14 | maligor | mike1o, if you do mean poweriso format, you can try iat |
| 15:42.22 | mike1o | ok ty |
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| 15:42.46 | maligor | but I recommend checking the resulting file before burning ;) |
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| 15:54.03 | milia | hm, how can i uninstall the properiarty drivers ? |
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| 16:00.29 | arisv | any ideas on this? http://www.pastebin.ca/993306 |
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| 16:03.26 | cahoot | arisv: attached a new disk? |
| 16:03.37 | arisv | nop, just did a dist-upgrade |
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| 16:04.02 | cahoot | arisv: does the device.map look ok? |
| 16:05.09 | arisv | cahoot: i think it's ok, it has just one line (hd0) /dev/sdb |
| 16:05.17 | arisv | i don't know if that is ok |
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| 16:06.02 | cahoot | arisv: sdb6 exists in /proc/partitions? |
| 16:06.26 | arisv | cahoot: sdb6 is the main partition and yes it exists |
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| 16:06.56 | Skratz0r | Why do we have a #debian in undernet, and one in freenode? |
| 16:07.00 | Skratz0r | Why not join them? |
| 16:07.09 | zinx | neither are official |
| 16:07.17 | petemc | Skratz0r: lots of networks have debian channels |
| 16:07.18 | Skratz0r | But it would be better if they pooled, surely |
| 16:07.24 | petemc | better how? |
| 16:07.29 | zinx | the one on irc.debian.org (which i think points to oftc) is the most official one |
| 16:07.30 | enouf | !best |
| 16:07.30 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 16:07.31 | Skratz0r | More centralized? |
| 16:07.33 | petemc | and how would this pooling work? |
| 16:07.40 | petemc | centralized? |
| 16:07.45 | petemc | you work in marketing? |
| 16:07.53 | Skratz0r | Just get everyone in #debian on the other channels to join one channel. |
| 16:07.54 | enouf | haha |
| 16:07.55 | Skratz0r | No, i do not |
| 16:07.57 | zinx | you can't stop people from creating a #debian on whatever network they want to create one on |
| 16:08.00 | Skratz0r | True |
| 16:08.04 | Skratz0r | But it's silly. :P |
| 16:08.12 | Skratz0r | This seems to be the largest, though |
| 16:08.20 | zinx | did you check the one on irc.debian.org? |
| 16:08.29 | Skratz0r | Seriously? XD |
| 16:08.32 | zinx | which is indeed OFTC |
| 16:08.36 | zinx | Skratz0r: seriously |
| 16:08.41 | arisv | cahoot: any ideas? :s |
| 16:08.49 | Skratz0r | I have now |
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| 16:09.07 | zinx | this channel used to be the official one, but it got moved |
| 16:09.14 | Skratz0r | Aw |
| 16:09.14 | cahoot | arisv: related to: Bug#477069: grub-common: grub-probe Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/loop/0 ? |
| 16:09.49 | Skratz0r | There are more users here than on the official channel |
| 16:09.50 | Skratz0r | Lulz |
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| 16:10.36 | ehird | So I 'apt-get install ruby1.8-elisp' and the files are in the right place, but I can't for the life of me get emacs to load them. |
| 16:10.43 | Skratz0r | sets them all to auto-join |
| 16:10.57 | arisv | cahoot: already search all over google, can't find sth useful |
| 16:11.07 | enouf | arisv: pastebin output of cat /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 16:11.11 | arisv | ok |
| 16:11.13 | ale666 | hi guys, could someone help with an ssh question? Thank you. |
| 16:11.20 | cahoot | arisv: http://groups.google.se/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/msg/d202d28bb80c1453 |
| 16:11.39 | arisv | cahoot: thx |
| 16:11.59 | enouf | arisv: and your /boot/grub/device.map contents |
| 16:12.22 | arisv | enouf: http://www.pastebin.ca/993372 |
| 16:12.32 | arisv | my device.map has just one line (hd0) /dev/sdb |
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| 16:12.48 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 16:12.48 | dpkg | < aios> eeyore-: funny how ubuntu has the biggest freenode channel, but its where i get the less answers ... everyone in there is just like me so its pointless |
| 16:14.34 | enouf | arisv: 1st of all, looks like update-grub is running, so this isn't the issue, but it's supposed to say; postinst_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub postrm_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub instead inside that file |
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| 16:15.15 | RichiH | hmm, i feel stupid asking this, but should find -type f _not_ find softlinks? |
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| 16:15.27 | arisv | so, what I have to do enouf? :) |
| 16:15.30 | tarzeau | RichiH: no |
| 16:15.34 | RichiH | bleh |
| 16:15.40 | RichiH | adjusts brain |
| 16:15.43 | enouf | arisv: then i supect you had overwritten your bootloader or MBR at some point, since also sdb6 is a logical within an Ext'd partition |
| 16:15.57 | RichiH | tarzeau: off the top of your head, how do i filter them out? |
| 16:16.05 | tarzeau | RichiH: ehm, use man find ? |
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| 16:16.23 | enouf | arisv: well, at some point of upgrading the release notes / changelogs mention what i just did about grub |
| 16:16.24 | jelly | OPTIONS The -H, -L and -P options control the treatment of symbolic links. |
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| 16:16.31 | RichiH | tarzeau: .. |
| 16:16.33 | RichiH | i did |
| 16:16.59 | tarzeau | RichiH: l is symbolic link |
| 16:17.02 | enouf | arisv: you would just replace update-grub with the full path, that i noted |
| 16:17.29 | tarzeau | RichiH: there's a tool/pkg called symlinks which might be handy too |
| 16:17.48 | arisv | how? i just run /usr/sbin/update-grub postrm_hook = /usr/sbin/update-grub? |
| 16:18.18 | enouf | arisv: what? |
| 16:18.26 | jluquee | exist any tool in debian for change time ad zone tipe dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:18.27 | enouf | use an editor |
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| 16:18.35 | arisv | to edit which file? |
| 16:18.47 | enouf | the one you posted |
| 16:18.58 | arisv | ok |
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| 16:20.16 | enouf | but to fix your orig issue - looks like you either need to reinstall grub or play with your BIOS as far as Boot Drive order .. or have you altered your #groot= entry in menu.lst ? |
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| 16:20.43 | arisv | so enouf, now it's ok? http://www.pastebin.ca/993386 |
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| 16:21.59 | enouf | arisv: no |
| 16:22.08 | enouf | make yours like this http://pastebin.ca/raw/993393 |
| 16:22.12 | g00se | Someone kindly recommended the calenar app called 'remind' to me. Is it a daemon program? |
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| 16:22.41 | Skratz0r | !google remind calendar app linux |
| 16:22.46 | Skratz0r | Dang. >_< |
| 16:22.49 | DeathWolf | -!- http://www.linux.com/articles/55928 |
| 16:22.56 | enouf | g00se: remind |
| 16:23.19 | g00se | enouf: yes - it was you i think ;-) |
| 16:23.28 | enouf | g00se: er .. didn't we do this already? ;-) |
| 16:23.48 | enouf | alarm clock guy - wants at, but no MTA |
| 16:23.49 | arisv | nah, no results |
| 16:24.04 | arisv | i think this is the main problem, grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb6. Check your device.map |
| 16:24.07 | g00se | enouf: yes. Have read the docs but still can't tell whether it's a daemon or no |
| 16:24.22 | enouf | arisv: <enouf> but to fix your orig issue - looks like you either need to reinstall grub or play with your BIOS as far as Boot Drive order .. or have you altered your #groot= entry in menu.lst ? |
| 16:24.35 | enouf | g00se: install it and see ;-) |
| 16:24.48 | g00se | enouf: IOW is it going to read my reminder file every sec or something? |
| 16:24.52 | arisv | ok |
| 16:25.08 | enouf | g00se: no idea |
| 16:25.15 | enouf | install it and read the docs |
| 16:25.22 | g00se | enouf: ah - thought you'd used it |
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| 16:25.43 | enouf | no - i walked you through searching for like apps |
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| 16:25.51 | arisv | I think that only the first issue to "reinstall grub" is ok, the other 2 are hopeless |
| 16:26.04 | g00se | enouf: have done. It doesn't say whether it's a daemon or not |
| 16:26.25 | kalurak | hi @ all, i am trying to install the latest version of imagemagick but there is the following error when I try to install it from an unstable-rep: The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:26.25 | kalurak | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.25 | kalurak | E: Broken packages |
| 16:26.28 | enouf | g00se: once it's running ps can tell you |
| 16:26.54 | kalurak | I want this package: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/graphics/imagemagick |
| 16:27.04 | enouf | g00se: look at the init.d script |
| 16:27.08 | g00se | enouf: yes. it shows remind, but statting my reminder file shows no repeated access |
| 16:27.11 | enouf | if there is one |
| 16:27.15 | jluquee | i lost de window manager with compiz many times |
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| 16:27.36 | \amethyst | kalurak: because when you install a package from unstable you very often need to pull in dependencies from unstable |
| 16:27.37 | jluquee | somebody can help me |
| 16:27.49 | enouf | g00se: setup a cron? no idea what you're trying to do |
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| 16:30.43 | enouf | g00se: i don't know much about deamonizing things, but maybe start-stop-daemon can help |
| 16:30.43 | kalurak | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.20 | \amethyst | If you are a newb you probably shouldn't be mixing packages from unstable and statble |
| 16:31.30 | \amethyst | why do you need the latest imagemagick? |
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| 16:32.05 | jluquee | how to obtain a list mirror for include in apt source |
| 16:32.09 | kalurak | I need it to use the function roundCorners from imagemagick |
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| 16:32.32 | kalurak | i don't need the latest but at least 6.2.9 |
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| 16:32.54 | kalurak | stable provides 6.2.4 only |
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| 16:33.37 | enouf | kalurak: you should /msg dpkg backports ... but i suspect you already did some damage |
| 16:34.03 | arisv | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/993412 |
| 16:34.06 | arisv | wtf is going on man |
| 16:34.11 | enouf | jluquee: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 16:34.55 | enouf | arisv: update-grub is not grub, nor grub-install |
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| 16:35.06 | jluquee | enouf: how to run |
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| 16:35.24 | mike-ekim | anyone know a good fluxbox instsall tutorial that will automatically start it up cause I can only do this install rtemotely, i have no physical access to the machine |
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| 16:35.28 | enouf | arisv: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 16:35.37 | mike-ekim | and maybe set up remote desktop with vnc on it |
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| 16:35.56 | enouf | !tell jluquee -about mirrors |
| 16:36.05 | enouf | !tell jluquee -about msg the bot |
| 16:36.27 | kinneh | hi all, do any of you experience total system freeze (hang) when starting vmware player (2.0.2 and 2.03) on debian unstable ? |
| 16:37.17 | shellito | Hi people.. he Im looking for reference for the first kind of firewall systems on Linux.. (no talking about netfilter 98).. is more like 80's.. any ideas? |
| 16:37.43 | arisv | enouf: lol |
| 16:37.47 | arisv | no way |
| 16:37.49 | shellito | Some craft-scripts to "protect" systems.. |
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| 16:39.18 | kalurak | enouf: sry, I was afk. what should I do? /msg in irc? |
| 16:39.29 | enouf | wtf? |
| 16:39.44 | kalurak | @ 18:33 |
| 16:39.44 | enouf | arisv you weenie, wtf? |
| 16:40.27 | enouf | so .. now we know - the weenie has MPoop as bootloader .. nice |
| 16:40.30 | Kevin` | I need some advice. if I do this, will mke2fs finish? |
| 16:40.32 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/993415 |
| 16:40.41 | cahoot | shellito: ipchains is also too new? |
| 16:40.56 | Kevin` | is mounted read-only |
| 16:41.06 | Kevin` | even though it says not |
| 16:41.09 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:41.19 | Skratz0r | calls for a group spamming of #windows |
| 16:41.50 | kalurak | @enouf, I don't understand what you mean with /msg dpkg backports |
| 16:42.09 | Skratz0r | "[17:41:34] <consfearacy> windows is the best, I wont install linux!" |
| 16:42.14 | Skratz0r | We must not let this continue! |
| 16:42.20 | shellito | cahoot.. well Im looking more for the first systems that inspire for serious systems.. |
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| 16:43.16 | adiii | hello |
| 16:43.23 | adiii | is there an equivalent to "dreamweaver" working on debian x64 ? |
| 16:43.28 | Kevin` | hmm, I found a bug in mke2fs vs the manpage |
| 16:43.35 | Kevin` | goes off to edit mtab |
| 16:43.38 | enouf | Kevin`: iinm, the e2fsprogs tools/utils always mount ro while they scan the disk |
| 16:44.17 | shellito | cahoot.. Im reading about 1988.. wikipedia have a couple of tips... but thank you, I'll take ipchains too. |
| 16:44.19 | kalurak | enouf: what does /msg dpkg backports mean? |
| 16:44.44 | Skratz0r | It makes you message dpkg, saying "backports" |
| 16:44.50 | Skratz0r | Private message |
| 16:44.57 | kalurak | ahh, ok ^^ |
| 16:45.03 | cahoot | shellito: http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/ikm/SINUS/firewall/history.html - looks like they offered a version for linux-1.2 |
| 16:45.23 | Kevin` | enouf: what i'm worried about is the mke2fs program will no longer exist some time during the format |
| 16:45.42 | Kevin` | so it might fail |
| 16:45.43 | Skratz0r | :) |
| 16:45.43 | shellito | cahoot, awesome thank you! |
| 16:46.07 | enouf | Kevin`: it should exist in ram, but ok - but i see no need to attempt what you are ;-) |
| 16:46.18 | justin | shellito: uhh 1988? |
| 16:46.41 | justin | shellito: linux wasn't even announced until 1991 |
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| 16:46.52 | cahoot | justin: virtua linux |
| 16:47.17 | shellito | justin, hehe I know.. but some history to start is good to me.. |
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| 16:47.52 | justin | shellito: the history STARTS in the 90s |
| 16:48.04 | justin | shellito: unless you care about minix and crap |
| 16:48.17 | Skratz0r | Lol |
| 16:48.40 | shellito | justin.. jaja ok ok |
| 16:49.32 | enouf | Kevin`: besides, mke2fs doesn't zero out the disk or anything |
| 16:49.46 | Kevin` | enouf: it does with -cc |
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| 16:50.04 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/993431 :( |
| 16:50.05 | enouf | hrm, perhaps |
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| 16:51.54 | enouf | looks like you botched that one pretty good there ;-) |
| 16:52.01 | enouf | remove the -cc ffs |
| 16:52.56 | enouf | and use s , then u |
| 16:52.57 | Kevin` | necessary |
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| 16:53.43 | kalurak | enouf: it don't work with dpkg, there is no new release in this repository for imagemagick. is there another solution? |
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| 16:54.05 | enouf | kalurak: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 16:54.25 | kalurak | k |
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| 16:58.11 | pablo_ | hi, i am using java-gcj-compat-dev, and by default it compiles to 1.4, how can i change it to 1.5? |
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| 17:01.05 | Mantaar | pablo_: have you tried: update-alternatives --config javac |
| 17:01.29 | ustunozgur | update-java-alternatives might help too |
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| 17:05.11 | pablo_ | Mantaar: ok |
| 17:05.16 | pablo_ | ustunozgur: thx |
| 17:07.14 | ale666 | putting a script in /etc/init.d/ is not enough to have it start at start up time, i still need to do an update-rc.d, right? |
| 17:07.54 | twobitsp1ite | ale666: right |
| 17:08.24 | twobitsp1ite | ale666: /etc/init.d is just the usual place to put scripts for start up, but there's nothing special about the directory |
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| 17:10.16 | mernil | Hi all! |
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| 17:15.17 | mernil | I'ts a long way to the top, if you want to rock'n roll! |
| 17:15.38 | cloakable | mernil: what about rickroll? |
| 17:15.42 | abrotman | I wanna rock and roll all night? |
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| 17:16.55 | gonzaloaf_work | hi, is it possible to mount my /home in an existent filesystem containing files without losing them? |
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| 17:17.05 | gonzaloaf_work | I mean in the installation moment |
| 17:17.10 | gonzaloaf_work | time* |
| 17:17.44 | mernil | gonzaloaf_work: it depends, because it's a long way to the top |
| 17:17.59 | gonzaloaf_work | mernil, excuse me? |
| 17:18.06 | Mantaar | gonzaloaf_work: I'm not sure I understand what you want to do. But if you already have something in a particular folder and then use that folder as a mount point and "overmount" it, the stuff that's inside isn't lost. |
| 17:18.10 | DeadFishMan | loves AC/DC references... ^^ |
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| 17:18.19 | mernil | gonzaloaf_work: if you want to rock'n roll! ^^ :-) |
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| 17:18.40 | Mantaar | You just happen to not be able to see it anymore (though existing file handels will still be linked to the original files on the first fs) |
| 17:19.06 | Mantaar | But it is generally not a good practice to do so. |
| 17:19.38 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_work: yes |
| 17:20.16 | enouf | mernil: you go both ways? |
| 17:20.34 | mernil | enouf: depends on what you mean |
| 17:20.44 | enouf | bah, someone already zapped the room with high voltage :-P |
| 17:21.01 | cloakable | hehe |
| 17:21.18 | gonzaloaf_work | Mantaar, I have two partitions (sda1 and sda2), I have to mount / in sda1 and /home in sda2, but sda2 contains an ext3 filesystem with file in it, will I lose the files if I do that while I'm installing debian? |
| 17:21.18 | mernil | oh.. acdc.. no i prefer girls .. like you enouf |
| 17:21.44 | enouf | bingo |
| 17:21.48 | Mantaar | gonzaloaf_work: take care not to format the partition during installation and you will be fine. |
| 17:21.55 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_work: tell the installer to use sda2 as /home/ but not to partition it |
| 17:21.56 | gonzaloaf_work | yes, ok |
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| 17:22.10 | gonzaloaf_work | ok guys, lets rock and roll then |
| 17:22.14 | gonzaloaf_work | thanks |
| 17:22.57 | Mantaar | gonzaloaf_work: if you are using the ncurses installer (the blue/red one) then be sure to choose "manual partitioning" and take care the 'F' flag is not set for sda2. Good luck installing Debian ;-) |
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| 17:23.50 | mernil | i would like to learn to play the bagpipe |
| 17:24.09 | mernil | i need a course, fast! |
| 17:24.13 | h2os | ne1 use whitetrash with squid? cache_peer user&password settings |
| 17:24.17 | abrotman | !ne1 |
| 17:24.17 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 17:24.37 | Mantaar | mernil: though this is actually strictly a support channel and you're way offtopic, I'd actually like to informe you, that I *do* play the bagpipes ;-) |
| 17:24.53 | mernil | Mantaar: im overwhelmed :-) |
| 17:25.28 | mernil | damn.. okay.. it does freak me off a bit! |
| 17:25.53 | Mantaar | I'm glad I could stir your emotions. |
| 17:26.02 | enouf | refrains from really tacky comments |
| 17:26.10 | Mantaar | :-D |
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| 17:29.20 | jelly | Mantaar: do you have a paypal account? |
| 17:29.39 | Mantaar | jelly: why would I tell you if I had one? |
| 17:30.03 | abrotman | so he can pay you? |
| 17:30.12 | Mantaar | for... what? |
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| 17:30.16 | jelly | so I could pay the piper |
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| 17:30.58 | mernil | Mantaar is a rich kid, living in a castle in the scotish highlands |
| 17:31.02 | jelly | ba-dum pssch |
| 17:31.11 | Mantaar | I'm not giving it away, you know ;-) And I'm not good enough to be giving lessons over the Net... let alone that I wouldn't have time to anyways... |
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| 17:31.56 | Mantaar | mernil: actually, it's a Bulgarian bagpipe... called Ðаба Ðайда |
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| 17:32.43 | Skratz0r | Thats friggen greek |
| 17:32.46 | Skratz0r | Not Bulgarian |
| 17:32.54 | mernil | Mantaar: damn.. now you broked my idea .. i was thinking you as groundskeeper willie in the simpsons :-) |
| 17:33.19 | Skratz0r | Lol mernil |
| 17:33.34 | Mantaar | I'm not going to engage in religious discussions about the origins of musical instruments on IRC, Skratz0r |
| 17:33.43 | anunah | Is it possible to install windozXP on my linux laptop on a logical partition without damaging my main OS and without losing my files? |
| 17:33.57 | Skratz0r | Mantaar; lol. |
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| 17:34.18 | Mantaar | anunah: would you be fine using a virtual machine to accomplish that? |
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| 17:35.20 | Deepa | is there any way to undelete deleted files :p? |
| 17:35.44 | jelly | Skratz0r: Greek has its own alphabet, what you see above is cyrillic. |
| 17:36.05 | Skratz0r | ? is a greek T |
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| 17:36.14 | Skratz0r | knows partial greek |
| 17:36.18 | anunah | Mantaar: there is not enought power on my laptop |
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| 17:36.36 | anunah | Mantaar: it is quite old |
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| 17:36.47 | Deepa | ext3 even |
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| 17:37.41 | filipe_ | Is there any performance gains from using nfs4 compared to nfs3? |
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| 17:37.46 | Mantaar | anunah: duh. AFAIK you could try chainloading with grub, but maybe that won't work and there is no way you could see the other drives (partitions even) from within windows then, as you would have to trick windows into believing to be the only system on the platter... |
| 17:38.40 | mernil | I prefer lilo .. cant belive it's so disregarded as it is! :-( |
| 17:39.00 | mernil | lilo rocks in my mind! |
| 17:39.00 | Skratz0r | Whats the difference? |
| 17:39.11 | Skratz0r | mernil; state one thing about lilo better than grub |
| 17:39.27 | jelly | Skratz0r: support for md raid. |
| 17:39.37 | DeadFishMan | Skratz0r: lilo is easier to grasp, for starters ^_^ |
| 17:39.39 | Skratz0r | md raid? |
| 17:39.41 | mernil | It's no real difference! |
| 17:39.43 | xerophyte | Deepa: are you tamil? |
| 17:39.45 | Mantaar | Deepa: try searching for undelete ext3. You'll find some results, but if you didn't immediately remount the partition ro, chances are slim. |
| 17:39.57 | Deepa | xerophyte, I am not tamil no |
| 17:40.01 | Skratz0r | DeadFishMan; if grub was at all hard to configure, i would make a comparison, but i disagree. :P |
| 17:40.07 | Skratz0r | What about yaboot? |
| 17:40.11 | xerophyte | Deepa: your nick sounds tamil |
| 17:40.41 | DeadFishMan | Skratz0r: Never used it. Isn't this something for PPC-only machines, for YellowDog? |
| 17:40.46 | amphi | Skratz0r: lilo can boot an unpartitioned device; I don't think grub can do that |
| 17:40.49 | Deepa | I'm Swedish and called Lisa. Deepa is yet another "hmm Deepy was taken, gotta make up something new" |
| 17:40.54 | mernil | takes out his .50 caliber and aims it at xerophyte |
| 17:41.12 | Skratz0r | DeadFishMan; I didn't know it was PPC only, possibly. I got it with UBuntu PPC |
| 17:41.14 | mernil | xerophyte: show some respect mothafucker! |
| 17:41.16 | amphi | xerophyte: close ;) |
| 17:41.19 | Skratz0r | But then realised the severity of fail engulfing me |
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| 17:41.24 | Skratz0r | And switched to Debian |
| 17:41.39 | xerophyte | mernil: ? |
| 17:41.53 | jelly | Skratz0r: different architecures often have unique boot loaders |
| 17:41.59 | mernil | xerophyte: pff |
| 17:42.01 | Skratz0r | jelly, noted |
| 17:42.35 | mernil | i cant cope with idiots |
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| 17:42.59 | mernil | but i do like asian girls! |
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| 17:43.27 | mernil | but that's my .. yeah.. ;-) |
| 17:43.47 | aboyz | anyone know how to serach by date also? |
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| 17:43.55 | aboyz | ls -lh | awk '{print $6 " " $9}' | sed -n '/Apr/p' | awk '{print $2}' >> file_list |
| 17:44.02 | aboyz | Right now its searching by Apr only |
| 17:44.05 | aboyz | how do i search for Apr 21 |
| 17:44.24 | mernil | aboyz: that was impressive! :-O |
| 17:44.25 | Mantaar | aboyz: try `man find' |
| 17:44.37 | aboyz | I want to do it in sed |
| 17:45.03 | mernil | hates people who tries to show off.. ;-P |
| 17:45.15 | jelly | aboyz: are you trying to learn about sed, or to make a script that does something useful? |
| 17:45.37 | aboyz | trying to do something userful |
| 17:45.42 | aboyz | but i cannot firgure how to get the date in |
| 17:45.48 | aboyz | i got it to search for Apr |
| 17:45.50 | jelly | parsing the output of ls -l is the wrong way to do that |
| 17:45.51 | Mantaar | then extend that '/Apr/p' to '/Apr 21/p' and also take care to print the right column in your awk print statement |
| 17:45.52 | aboyz | but i need Apr 1 |
| 17:45.59 | jelly | use find. |
| 17:46.00 | mernil | usefull my ass.. ur trying to show off! |
| 17:46.05 | aboyz | Apr 21 will not work like that |
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| 17:46.13 | abrotman | mernil: keep it on-topic |
| 17:46.15 | aboyz | i tried '/apr 21/p' |
| 17:46.16 | Mantaar | aboyz: but you should really just use find. |
| 17:46.22 | abrotman | mernil: either ask a Debian question or be quiet |
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| 17:46.26 | aboyz | I'm not trying to show offf |
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| 17:46.39 | amphi | aboyz: pay no attention |
| 17:46.41 | mernil | ok, ill be quit then.. fuckos :-P |
| 17:46.46 | Mantaar | aboyz: but you don't print the day-field of the ls -lh output, so it can't match against it. |
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| 17:47.16 | aboyz | mantarr so what should i do |
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| 17:47.31 | Mantaar | try removing the sed and awk statements to see what your first awk expression is putting out. |
| 17:47.40 | Mantaar | (or just use tee) |
| 17:47.43 | Skratz0r | abrotman; is that not a little harsh? :| |
| 17:47.47 | abrotman | no |
| 17:48.05 | anunah | Mantaar: thanx, probably I'll backup my system and then will try to set up tte windoz |
| 17:48.23 | Skratz0r | abrotman; heh |
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| 17:48.33 | aboyz | k |
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| 17:48.37 | Mantaar | aboyz: but really. Right tool, right job. You gotta learn that. Use find. There are plenty of tutorials about awk and sed, with more useful usage examples. |
| 17:48.39 | visof | how can i update program in debian ? |
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| 17:49.27 | Mantaar | anunah: when performing *any* kind of write-activity to entire partitions and/or partition tables you should back up. Actually you should always back up anyways, 'specially on a laptop. |
| 17:49.34 | Ggdaff | slt |
| 17:49.52 | Mantaar | visof: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 17:50.28 | Mantaar | that's for upgrading everything. Just put that in your crontab (don't forget to add the -y flag to apt-get in the second statement) and be done with updating... |
| 17:51.03 | micegio | I want to instal debian but on the boot the install disk don't see my hard disk |
| 17:51.11 | micegio | who can help me? |
| 17:51.11 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 17:51.11 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
| 17:51.49 | visof | Mantaar i want to update something like firefox only |
| 17:52.01 | visof | or mplayer |
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| 17:52.09 | visof | or any single package |
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| 17:52.33 | Mantaar | visof: then a simple apt-get install <package> should do the trick (don't forget to apt-get update before that) |
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| 17:53.38 | pablo_ | hi, will debian have icedtea or openjdk? |
| 17:53.47 | aboyz | ls -lh | awk '$6 ~ /Apr/ && $7 ~ /21/ { print $9 }' how do i pipe that to delete? |
| 17:54.05 | Mantaar | aboyz: try `man xargs' |
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| 17:54.30 | aboyz | how do i pipe out that to rm -f |
| 17:55.02 | Skratz0r | Lol. XD |
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| 17:57.20 | hudu | Will someone please help an ignorant newbie? I've been googling around trying to figure out how to print (especially openoffice docs) from my debian laptop. I am accessing the internet through a router which is also connected to my XP desktop (which has a shared printer). |
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| 17:58.05 | abrotman | smbprint |
| 17:58.40 | Skratz0r | hudu, #1: Don't ask to ask. ("Will someone please help an ignorant newbie?") |
| 17:58.57 | Skratz0r | hudu; #2: What do you exactly want to do? |
| 17:59.31 | hudu | I want to access my shared printer (which is connected to my xp desktop). I want to access it from my debian laptop. |
| 18:00.00 | Mantaar | Skratz0r: I think he was perfectly clear about #2 and #1 was still OK, because he asked right away and was just being polite. |
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| 18:00.22 | Mantaar | hudu: You need to export the printer through your windows machine and then use smb |
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| 18:01.10 | Mantaar | abrotman actually already told you about the exact package you need: smbprint. It uses the samba implementation of the smb protocol to speak with Windows shares. |
| 18:01.28 | Skratz0r | Mantaar; true, true. /me scolds self |
| 18:01.32 | hudu | Mantaar: How do I 'export the printer through my windows machine'? Is that the same as making it a 'shared printer'? |
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| 18:01.57 | Mantaar | hudu: Yes, I think. Though I've not used Windows in what seems like ages... but it sounds right. |
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| 18:02.27 | hudu | oooh, smbprint is a package. I'll 'aptitude install' it. thx |
| 18:02.53 | Skratz0r | apt-get install, even |
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| 18:03.19 | jelly | aboyz: are you trying to delete the files changed exactly on 2008-04-01, or would any files older than 2008-04-02 00:00 suffice? |
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| 18:03.57 | Mantaar | yes, exactly. You can search the net for documentation about it: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html ... this seems to be a bit dated, but maybe it'll work. |
| 18:04.07 | aboyz | jelly yes both |
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| 18:05.03 | jelly | aboyz: then use something like find . -type f -mtime +21 (files older than 21 days) |
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| 18:05.31 | Mantaar | it's not like he hasn't been told to use find... :-| |
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| 18:05.36 | aboyz | I see thanks jelly |
| 18:05.40 | jelly | it's not. |
| 18:06.03 | hudu | I tried 'aptitude install smbprint' and then tried 'apt-get install smbpring' (though I suspect if the first doesn't work, then neither will the second) anyone care to help me understand my problem? http://pastebin.com/d365cb5f2 |
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| 18:06.45 | jelly | aboyz: also use -print0 parameter to find, and pipe the output to xargs -0 echo rm. When you're happy with what you see, remove the "echo" bit from that command line |
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| 18:08.35 | jelly | aboyz: http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
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| 18:10.12 | micegio | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.16 | Mantaar | hudu: sorry, it's in the 'samba' package iirc. so apt-get install samba. You will also need cups: apt-get install cupsys (though it's likely installed) |
| 18:10.37 | hudu | thx Mantaar |
| 18:11.12 | Mantaar | huh. No, wait... |
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| 18:12.19 | halflife08 | micegio: what kind of disk controller do you have ? |
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| 18:13.51 | hudu | Mantaar or abrotman (or anyone): I am installing 'apt-get install samba' and it is asking me, 'Please specify the workgroup you want this server to appear to be in when quieried by clients. Note that this parameter also controls the domain name used with the security=domain setting.' |
| 18:14.04 | abrotman | !info smbprint etch |
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| 18:14.12 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 18:14.17 | abrotman | !find bin/smbprint etch |
| 18:14.34 | abrotman | hudu: it'd be whatever domain/workgroup your win32 box is in |
| 18:14.41 | Mantaar | abrotman: it's in the lprng package.But I think it's obsolete... isn't it? |
| 18:14.53 | abrotman | dpkg: hurry up |
| 18:14.53 | dpkg | no fsck you! |
| 18:15.15 | Mantaar | (or at least that seems to have been the case back then with woody)... |
| 18:15.17 | Skratz0r | LOL. |
| 18:15.51 | abrotman | i think we broke him |
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| 18:16.23 | Skratz0r | !hurry |
| 18:16.24 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... We do not cater to the ["me!me!me! : mine!mine!mine! : now!now!now!now!"] crowd .. so bugger off! Run home crying now ..and tell jo'momma that we spanked you! |
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| 18:16.27 | Skratz0r | Nope |
| 18:16.42 | Skratz0r | !stuff |
| 18:16.42 | dpkg | i heard stuff is the useless crap repository that needs adding to at http://tool.dhs.org/~chucker/stuff/ |
| 18:16.46 | Skratz0r | !fuck |
| 18:16.46 | dpkg | from memory, fuck is cool |
| 18:16.48 | Skratz0r | !help |
| 18:16.48 | x0d | !tor [file name] - Retrieves the top 3 results from: http://www.mininova.org/rss/ |
| 18:16.51 | x0d | !slashdot - retrieves the latest headline from slashdot (responds in the channel only) |
| 18:16.56 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (8 of 15): Laptops Can Be Searched At the Border ;; 80% of MS Server Protocols Are Unpatented ;; How Duct Tape Saved Apollo 17's Moon Buggy ;; Fujitsu HDD with AES 256-bit Encryption ;; Walter Bender Resigns From OLPC ;; FBI Concerned About Implications of Counterfeit Cisco Gear ;; Blizzard to Boll - DENIED! ;; Stephen Hawking Thinks Aliens Likely. |
| 18:17.01 | Mantaar | ah. Here seems to be a nice article.. |
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| 18:17.19 | Skratz0r | !tor |
| 18:17.20 | dpkg | from memory, tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor, or not in etch, see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian |
| 18:17.22 | x0d | Error: No results from query (!tor). |
| 18:17.22 | x0d | Error parsing content from RSS Feed (http://www.mininova.org/rss/) |
| 18:17.27 | Skratz0r | !tor &lol |
| 18:17.28 | x0d | Error parsing content |
| 18:17.30 | x0d | war xvid avi (0S/0L) - http://www.mininova.org/tor/1347547 |
| 18:17.30 | x0d | MagiTime v3 1 Completed rar (1S/0L) - http://www.mininova.org/tor/1347546 |
| 18:17.30 | x0d | LimeWire PROFESSIONAL 4 17 5 - LATEST Edition [Your ULTIMATE File Sharing Program] rar (49S/7L) - http://www.mininova.org/tor/1347545 |
| 18:17.31 | Skratz0r | ;-D |
| 18:17.47 | Mantaar | hudu: sorry for wasting your time. Try this lengthy article, I hope it will get you on the right track, debian-administration.org has so far never failed me: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/425 |
| 18:17.49 | Skratz0r | !tor &query="" |
| 18:17.50 | x0d | Error parsing content |
| 18:17.52 | x0d | Absolute Time Server v4 7 [NEW] (1S/0L) - http://www.mininova.org/tor/1347507 |
| 18:17.52 | x0d | Species IV El Despertar ES DVDRIP XVID (TerritorioMovie com) avi (1S/0L) - http://www.mininova.org/tor/1347506 |
| 18:17.56 | x0d | Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull[2008]DvDrip AC3[Eng]-FXG (2S/87L) - http://www.mininova.org/tor/1347505 |
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| 18:18.03 | Skratz0r | DVD RIP? BULLSHIT |
| 18:18.07 | Skratz0r | It's not even in cinemas |
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| 18:19.20 | hudu | thanks, Mantaar ... am I understanding that installing samba wasn't the right thing to do? |
| 18:19.35 | justin | !ops x0d |
| 18:19.35 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: justin complains about: x0d |
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| 18:20.04 | DustyDingo | hi, i want to install a fully functional mplayer |
| 18:20.06 | Mantaar | no, it *was* the right thing, since samba is the only way to talk to those darned windows machines at all. |
| 18:20.12 | *** mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 18:20.14 | Skratz0r | Bbiab. |
| 18:20.18 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cpe-76-95-140-99.socal.res.rr.com] by mentor |
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| 18:20.29 | Mantaar | thanks, mentor.. |
| 18:20.35 | mentor | :) |
| 18:20.53 | abrotman | smbprint is gone ? |
| 18:21.07 | Mantaar | abrotman: seems so. Yes. |
| 18:21.11 | DustyDingo | is the debian multimedia repository already obsolate, or has their mplayer still soe advantages over the debian contr/non-free version? |
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| 18:23.17 | halflife08 | DustyDingo: apt-get install mplayer if you are using etch. apt-cache search mplayer |
| 18:24.33 | Mantaar | hudu: omfg! how can this shit be so complicated... Ok, here is something official, from the samba web page: http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/CUPS-printing.html#id427099 |
| 18:24.35 | jelly | DustyDingo: some of the packages in debian are crippled, mostly the encoding stuff (ffmpeg, mencoder if it's there) |
| 18:25.00 | jelly | DustyDingo: d-m still provides a consistent environment |
| 18:25.03 | Mantaar | hudu: it covers *exactly* your problem, but be sure to have some time left... I really think this should be made easier... |
| 18:25.37 | mike-ekim | Hi, I just set up Fluxbox, on a box that I do NOT have physical access too, but i am not seeing that fluxbox process is running after reboot, can someone help me troubleshoot this |
| 18:25.53 | Mantaar | mike-ekim: did someone log in to that machine? is X running? |
| 18:25.54 | halflife08 | DustyDingo: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/faq.php the codecs disabled/enabled |
| 18:26.59 | hudu | Mantaar: thanks. I've been reading the other link (http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/425) but it seems to be backwards to what I'm trying to do. I'll try the samba.org site ... your help is much appreciated! |
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| 18:28.49 | Mantaar | hudu: OK, I hope it'll get you on track. If you don't understand any of that CUPS-related stuff, you can ask me, I'm administrating quite a number of clients on UNIX using a bunch of shared printers over cups. But I normally don't deal with Windows... :-( |
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| 18:29.03 | Mantaar | so I'm not really good at SMB-stuff... |
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| 18:29.28 | mike-ekim | Mantaar: no, i just have no physical access cause its a remote dedicated box |
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| 18:30.21 | filipe_ | Does anyone use nfs4? I was tring to test it but i only get permission denied problems. |
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| 18:32.27 | _ZeuZ_ | hey guys, what can I use to recover the password of a router to wich I do not have phisical access? it's like 10feet up and I do not have a stair and need to reconfigure it as we talk... upnp is failing |
| 18:32.32 | justin | filipe_: I use it |
| 18:32.55 | filipe_ | justin do you have any idea why would i get permission denied with nfs4 but not with nfs? |
| 18:33.02 | justin | filipe_: you edit /etc/default/nfs-common ? |
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| 18:33.43 | filipe_ | justin no |
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| 18:34.54 | filipe_ | justin i added the idmapd but no luck yet |
| 18:35.08 | justin | filipe_: ran /etc/init.d/nfs-common restart? |
| 18:35.22 | filipe_ | justin yes |
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| 18:36.05 | filipe_ | The error i get is permission denied, even though i'm root and i can mount using nfs |
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| 18:36.28 | justin | being root doesn't help with nfs |
| 18:36.51 | _ZeuZ_ | hey guys, what can I use to recover the password of a router to wich I do not have phisical access? it's like 10feet up and I do not have a stair and need to reconfigure it as we talk... upnp is failing |
| 18:37.07 | filipe_ | justin it sure helps otherwise i wouldn't be able to mount for sure |
| 18:37.16 | enouf | filipe_: well i know nfs4 allows for xattributes that have to do with security and acls |
| 18:37.19 | filipe_ | it doesn't help on the server side, yes |
| 18:37.22 | Mantaar | _ZeuZ_: short of resetting the router... no. |
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| 18:37.52 | justin | _ZeuZ_: what kind of router? |
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| 18:37.57 | filipe_ | The strange things is that i don't seem much logs on the server side |
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| 18:38.25 | _ZeuZ_ | Mantaar, told you, reseting is not an option xD |
| 18:38.32 | _ZeuZ_ | justin, a simple cameo router |
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| 18:39.52 | _ZeuZ_ | Mantaar, told you, reseting is not an option xD |
| 18:39.53 | _ZeuZ_ | justin, a simple cameo router |
| 18:40.00 | filipe_ | enouf: what does that mean? |
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| 18:42.45 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.24/fs/Kconfig#L1574 |
| 18:42.50 | enouf | start there |
| 18:42.51 | filipe_ | I just realized nfs4 requires a different export |
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| 18:44.01 | filipe_ | although that is ommited from man exports to make our tasks more interesting i can only guess |
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| 18:44.26 | barnum | anyone got a link for a howto firefox+java for 64 bit using ndiswrapper? |
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| 18:44.38 | Skratz0r | ANyone know if HURD will be going on Kernel.org? |
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| 18:45.12 | enouf | barnum: you mean nspluginwrapper, i think |
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| 18:45.22 | barnum | yeah that one :) |
| 18:45.30 | enouf | !nspluginwrapper |
| 18:45.30 | dpkg | i heard nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <backports.org> for etch packages. |
| 18:45.47 | enouf | that's all i know ... |
| 18:45.55 | barnum | thanks |
| 18:45.57 | pakal | hi! I have a .config file wich I used to compile 2.6.24, now I untared 2.6.25 source |
| 18:46.05 | pakal | how can I use this .config file? |
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| 18:46.14 | pakal | just copy ? |
| 18:46.14 | enouf | barnum: atleast now you can google with correct <keyword> ;-) |
| 18:46.32 | enouf | barnum: maybe wiki.debian.org and others |
| 18:46.32 | barnum | yeah that will help immensely :) |
| 18:46.40 | enouf | :-P |
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| 18:47.09 | enouf | pakal: aye |
| 18:48.02 | enouf | cd /24/src/ ; cp ./.config /new/25/src/ |
| 18:48.21 | Skratz0r | Is there much point upgrading to the latest kernel? |
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| 18:48.33 | enouf | i'm on .16 :-P |
| 18:48.34 | edgars | uuuu... damn!!! |
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| 18:48.38 | edgars | som much people |
| 18:48.40 | pakal | enouf, thx! |
| 18:48.44 | edgars | s/som/so |
| 18:49.19 | pakal | I get a bcm43xx card wich driver has bee updated on 2.6.25 |
| 18:49.42 | enouf | pakal: make menuconfig also asks you if you want to load a separate config - but it;s a PITA to type in PATH - you should run make oldconfig now though prior to make menuconfig |
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| 18:50.28 | enouf | !spank mernil |
| 18:50.28 | dpkg | bends mernil over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 18:50.59 | Skratz0r | Lol. |
| 18:51.06 | Skratz0r | HER? |
| 18:51.12 | Skratz0r | dpkg be a lady? |
| 18:51.17 | Skratz0r | SINCE WHEN DID BOTS HAVE SEXES |
| 18:51.19 | edgars | !kiss britney |
| 18:51.19 | dpkg | smooches britney on the forehead |
| 18:51.26 | enouf | !gender |
| 18:51.26 | dpkg | I'm female |
| 18:51.30 | enouf | :-P |
| 18:51.33 | abrotman | dpkg: gender |
| 18:51.33 | edgars | !age |
| 18:51.33 | dpkg | I'm immortal. |
| 18:51.41 | Skratz0r | :O |
| 18:51.42 | edgars | deeeem! |
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| 18:51.49 | Skratz0r | kills dpkg's server |
| 18:51.56 | edgars | !breast size |
| 18:52.02 | enouf | stop |
| 18:52.19 | Skratz0r | HAH |
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| 18:52.24 | Skratz0r | !bra size |
| 18:52.32 | zinx | !msg the bots |
| 18:52.32 | dpkg | msg the bot is probably please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
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| 18:54.16 | dondelelcaro | markybob: probably best for you to just run an infobot with dpkg's set of factoids. They're publicly available, and you can sync them at any time you want |
| 18:54.26 | dondelelcaro | markybob: I'm trying to avoid running dpkg in channels in which I'm not active. |
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| 18:57.23 | mike-ekim | I realized my x wasnt running, but i have to type startx from remote ssh session, no local access to this machine, can i make linux start it up automatically |
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| 19:00.26 | format_c | mike-ekim, do you try to start a X session on a remote machine? |
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| 19:04.14 | barnum | jesse when can we start using sync for the lb's again |
| 19:04.21 | barnum | misfire.. :( |
| 19:06.43 | abrotman | no kidding? |
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| 19:11.24 | nadar | at which repo i can find realplayer for arm? |
| 19:11.35 | sixty6murph | hi, having acpi troubles. bios-wise, should i just tell it to support acpi2 and disable any bios specfic power/fan settings? |
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| 19:17.47 | abrotman | nadar: realplayer or helixplayer? |
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| 19:27.40 | abrotman | is it okay that the file package in unstable has python-all-dbg as a build-dep ? |
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| 19:33.00 | marked | can anyone tell me how I can discover if a particular USB hard drive is running as USB1 or USB2? |
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| 19:34.36 | Mantaar | marked: put your pron-folder on it and see how long it takes... |
| 19:35.05 | Mantaar | marked: seriously: if it's a USB2.0 drive, you will see "new high speed device attached" or so in dmesg. |
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| 19:36.02 | marked | Mantaar: thanks. is there a way to tell via /sys? |
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| 19:37.36 | bfremon | hi. |
| 19:37.39 | marked | Mantaar: I think I got it -- /sys/bus/usb/devices/{device}/speed |
| 19:37.42 | Mantaar | try browsing the files in /sys/bus/usb/devices |
| 19:37.44 | bfremon | is anyone using xen here on unstable ? |
| 19:37.49 | Mantaar | ... marked yeah. Right ;-) |
| 19:38.24 | bfremon | I can't boot my dom0 using the debian packages. It fails with a message "Xen is relinquishing VGA console". |
| 19:39.10 | marked | Mantaar: thanks |
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| 19:39.29 | bfremon | And the debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/Xen) mentions a xen-linux-system package in different kernel flavors which doesn't seem to be in unstable. Any hints ? |
| 19:39.41 | mike-ekim | someone help me, i only have remote ssh access, and I need to set up a window manager, fluxbox and gdm are installed |
| 19:39.50 | mike-ekim | but i reboot the box and i dont see any X or fluxbox process running can someone help me please |
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| 19:43.40 | proq | mike-ekim: did you install xorg-xserver? |
| 19:43.45 | mike-ekim | yes sir |
| 19:43.46 | mike-ekim | and xorg |
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| 19:43.59 | mike-ekim | created ~/.xinitrc and ~/.xsession files too, default runlevel = 5 |
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| 19:44.21 | madk | how do i set the beep permanently off? xset b off works only until reboot. |
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| 19:46.31 | vvd | madk: run xset b off on each reboot |
| 19:47.03 | vvd | or each xsession |
| 19:47.05 | cahoot | blacklist pcspker? |
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| 19:47.34 | amphi | madk: or put the command in your ~/.xsession |
| 19:48.29 | vaka | Somebody can explain me how to find other computers attached to my network using the console? |
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| 19:48.42 | cahoot | nmap? |
| 19:49.35 | madk | amphi, that works for x. thanks. |
| 19:49.36 | vaka | I've readed about it, but I don't know how to do that |
| 19:50.14 | madk | amphi, is there a .xsession file which is for all users? |
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| 19:50.58 | runa_ | which package is AM_PROG_LIBTOOL in |
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| 19:51.50 | madk | where would i put setterm -blength 0 to be executed at every boot? |
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| 19:52.40 | DirkGently | madk: you mean /etc/X11/Xsession? |
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| 19:53.13 | madk | DirkGently, is it executed at X startup? |
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| 19:53.24 | mernil | hi all! :-) |
| 19:53.40 | DirkGently | madk: # global Xsession file -- used by display managers and xinit (startx) |
| 19:53.55 | madk | DirkGently, :) thanks |
| 19:54.05 | DirkGently | so I guess yes :) |
| 19:54.07 | mernil | And all fans of bagpipe music! |
| 19:54.31 | mernil | That's the important part! |
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| 19:55.20 | mernil | i bought some chees today.. and for you fuckars.. that's what's counts! |
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| 19:56.17 | madk | *gg* |
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| 19:56.41 | madk | i bought some cheese today as well ^^ |
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| 19:57.13 | streuner | madk: if you don't like us, leave now! |
| 19:57.18 | simonrvn | madk: i guess that's why you cheesy jokes |
| 19:57.23 | simonrvn | you have* |
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| 19:57.42 | DirkGently | I think he was correcting the spelling |
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| 19:57.50 | abrotman | better i guess? |
| 19:57.54 | simonrvn | sure is |
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| 19:58.08 | streuner | very good |
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| 19:58.40 | ``y7 | i have an intel p3, how do i figure out which debian download i want to grab? |
| 19:58.46 | abrotman | ``y7: i386 |
| 19:58.48 | DirkGently | auto-swear kick abrotman? |
| 19:58.55 | ``y7 | how do i figure that out though abrotman? |
| 19:58.57 | madk | well, i was just joking... looking if mernil was kicked because he bought cheese... you see.. hahah, funny :D |
| 19:58.58 | abrotman | ``y7: and you can install a -686 kernel later |
| 19:59.01 | abrotman | DirkGently: no |
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| 20:00.15 | DirkGently | ``y7: it's whether you have a 32-bit cpu |
| 20:00.21 | nadar | abrotman, for realplayer |
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| 20:00.55 | DirkGently | if unsure... try both - it will tell you if it's not supported |
| 20:01.08 | abrotman | nadar: doubtful .. it's not an OSS application |
| 20:01.19 | abrotman | DirkGently: a PIII is 32bit |
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| 20:01.28 | daft | p3 is 686 |
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| 20:01.38 | abrotman | it's 32bit |
| 20:01.47 | daft | ofc its 32bit |
| 20:01.56 | DirkGently | abrotman: right... I'm generalising |
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| 20:02.11 | daft | pentium is 32 bit *sigh* |
| 20:02.13 | abrotman | you can run 32bit/686 on a 64bit x86 CPU |
| 20:02.41 | DirkGently | but not vice versa |
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| 20:03.43 | DirkGently | if you've got a cpu but you don't know if it's 64-bit, you try x86_64 - if it's not supported it'll tell you |
| 20:03.45 | pumpkin0 | daft: ( not all pentiums are 32Bit. The DC-Edition is 64Bit => http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_Dual_Core ) |
| 20:03.56 | DirkGently | lol pumpkin0 |
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| 20:04.51 | daft | isnt the DC edition an exclude just explained by the name |
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| 20:05.08 | unop | hi, i'm having a problem with the system stalling for ~5 seconds every minute or so (started when i installed lenny yesterday) - dmesg seems to pick up a slew of events (about 50-60 at a time) that say " ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [c137f798] 'off' ACPI: Transitioning device [FAN1] to D3" - i was wondering if anyone knew how to get around this? |
| 20:05.09 | extor | Is $60 for a 250 gigger the best cent for the gig price out there? It's about 25 cents per gig I fink. |
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| 20:05.30 | abrotman | extor: ##hardware |
| 20:05.35 | extor | mmm k |
| 20:05.44 | extor | on that note, is there a way for me to have a VNC-like view of a remote desktop without using vnc? |
| 20:05.44 | abrotman | daft: still says pentium on the box though |
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| 20:09.59 | sixty6murph | hi, acpi troubles. got cpu frequency managment working, but at a complete loss re fan/thermal |
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| 20:10.13 | unop | has anybody ever seen this via dmesg and/or know how to fix it? ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [c137f798] 'off' ACPI: Transitioning device [FAN1] to D3 |
| 20:10.23 | ``y7 | DirkGently, so if you have a 32bit cpu, you always go with i386? |
| 20:10.25 | benjamindees | damn there is a really useful program in this guadalinex distro but I can't find any sources :( |
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| 20:10.55 | sixty6murph | appropriate modules seem to be loaded but the corresponding dirs in /proc/acpi are empty |
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| 20:13.28 | abrotman | ``y7: assuming it's x86 based |
| 20:13.49 | ``y7 | how do you figure out if it's x86 based? |
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| 20:14.38 | pumpkin0 | ``y7: if you can buy it in a store around the corner: x86. |
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| 20:14.50 | ``y7 | ok |
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| 20:19.29 | St0n3-C0l | hmm does anyone know the trick how to keep the DOMAIN NAME box in Network Manager static? |
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| 20:21.03 | benjamindees | this program can supposedly read the windows registry from linux: http://people.linux-online.ru/xpdev/development/testing/dumphive/dumphive-koi.tar.bz2 |
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| 20:22.32 | miggaiowsk1 | hey there |
| 20:23.04 | miggaiowsk1 | So my clock is always wrong when I boot my computer |
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| 20:23.14 | earthian | Hello. |
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| 20:23.23 | miggaiowsk1 | and during boot it says it can't set the correct time |
| 20:23.25 | streuner | miggaiowsk1: Dual-Boot? |
| 20:23.30 | miggaiowsk1 | yeah.. |
| 20:23.48 | miggaiowsk1 | debian lenny and vista |
| 20:24.06 | miggaiowsk1 | tho it doesnt matter if I boot on vista or just reboot debian |
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| 20:24.17 | streuner | !listvals utc |
| 20:24.18 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'utc' by value (15 of 39): 4.0r2 ;; CMD: grope (.*?) ;; apenstaartje ;; belgië ;; cistron ;; date ;; dpc ;; gmt ;; hemos ;; megahal ;; nwotd ;; set time ;; translate je tekst ;; utc ;; what's the time. |
| 20:24.24 | grand_grunt | Is there a lighter Linux install in French than Debian+XFCE? I have to install Linux on a 2.2 Gb hard disk |
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| 20:24.51 | St0n3-C0l | hmm does anyone know the trick how to keep the DOMAIN NAME box in Network Manager static? Even if it's on .config file |
| 20:25.01 | grand_grunt | I've tried DSL but it's only English (not for me) |
| 20:25.20 | earthian | I have a problem installing debian lenny: the partman fails to complete partition creation on a raid volume. I have two hard disks and two raid partitions on them (i.e. partition on each device). I select the partitions and create the raid which works (i.e. the md0 device is created). but then if i create partitions they are not saved or so.. at least they do not appear under /dev/md/ which causes it to fail. Do you know of any fix/solu |
| 20:25.20 | earthian | tion for this problem? |
| 20:25.49 | ``y7 | should 6.4gigs be enough to install debian on? |
| 20:25.51 | streuner | miggaiowsk1: so the time is usually 1 hour different? |
| 20:26.09 | miggaiowsk1 | 3 hours... I'm in Brazil.. |
| 20:26.12 | pumpkin0 | ``y7: for a small office-install: yes. |
| 20:26.19 | earthian | ``y7, yes and it depends on what you want to have in the system (what packages) |
| 20:26.31 | earthian | :) |
| 20:26.35 | ``y7 | all i need the computer for is to print 1-2 pages a day |
| 20:26.38 | tinin | grand_grunt you can use a netinstall, and then select just not to install the desktop software |
| 20:26.55 | miggaiowsk1 | streuner: 3 hours... I'm in Brazil.. |
| 20:27.52 | tinin | grand_grunt it's easy, once you haev installed the base system, then aptitude install xserver-xorg and icewm |
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| 20:28.04 | lobak | hello |
| 20:28.11 | bfremon | hi |
| 20:28.20 | earthian | so does anybody can help me in setting up a software raid in debian installer? |
| 20:28.20 | miggaiowsk1 | I know it's prolly something wrong with UTC configs.. |
| 20:28.20 | benjamindees | oh wow that is awesome it works :D |
| 20:28.24 | St0n3-C0l | hmm guys |
| 20:28.25 | St0n3-C0l | just tell me |
| 20:28.32 | St0n3-C0l | how do i lock resolv.conf ? |
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| 20:28.49 | earthian | St0n3-C0l, you could try make it readoly |
| 20:28.54 | St0n3-C0l | i mean whenever pc is rebooted, the resolv.conf doesnt get overwrited by Networkmanager or DHCP |
| 20:29.14 | St0n3-C0l | hmm how? |
| 20:29.16 | earthian | chmod 444 resolv.conf? |
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| 20:29.24 | earthian | not sure if that will work tho |
| 20:29.25 | St0n3-C0l | ok thanks :) |
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| 20:29.29 | earthian | never done |
| 20:30.09 | simonrvn | St0n3-C0l: "overwritten"; chmod 444 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:30.20 | grand_grunt | tinin: I'll use a netinstall, yes.. is icewm "user-friendly" and lighter (on hard drive) than XFCE? |
| 20:30.25 | mooper | hello, Im having real problems getting to grips with rsync. I want to set up a cron job to rsync every day to a remote server that is luckily hosted with someone else. does anyone have a good howto? |
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| 20:30.46 | St0n3-C0l | simonrvn: ok thanks |
| 20:30.58 | lobak | is it advisable to uninstall gnome while using xfce4 ?since my partition getting full, i think this might help ease the problem |
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| 20:31.14 | mooper | do I have to set up ssh keys? |
| 20:31.20 | simonrvn | St0n3-C0l: it might still try. if you don't need NM to handle your networking, just remove it |
| 20:31.29 | manu_hack | I have a webcam and can be used on sid, would like to know if there is any program that can be used to record to a file |
| 20:31.44 | tinin | grand_grunt, yes, icewm is very usable, and you can have shortcuts to lots of things or even switch the desktop or windows with the keyboard |
| 20:31.44 | simonrvn | lobak: of course. do anything you want on your box. |
| 20:31.51 | St0n3-C0l | simonrvn: Hmm, resolv.conf? |
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| 20:32.15 | tinin | grand_grunt: but you'll have to edit config files to do so |
| 20:32.37 | bfremon | I know this isn't debian related, but when i paste something with the middle button of my mouse, i systematically got an end-of-the-line character (\n) entered, and this is annoying in the shell. Any hints ? |
| 20:32.53 | simonrvn | St0n3-C0l: rephrase: NM might still try to edit resolv.conf. yes. |
| 20:33.01 | lobak | simonrvn, what im concerned right now, does xfce or its applications somehow need any gnome applications in order to run? |
| 20:33.06 | tinin | grand_grunt: if you know a it of spanish or portuguese you can follow a gide |
| 20:33.07 | St0n3-C0l | hmm |
| 20:33.18 | earthian | lobak, no |
| 20:33.29 | earthian | lobak, xfce is stand alone like gnome or kde |
| 20:33.40 | lobak | aha |
| 20:33.43 | simonrvn | lobak: no |
| 20:33.44 | streuner | miggaiowsk1: please keep the convo here in channel |
| 20:33.53 | tinin | grand_grunt: you will be able to follow this |
| 20:33.54 | tinin | http://www.galpon.org/wiki/index.php/Debian_MiniMa_-Castellano- |
| 20:33.58 | Nyle_ | hi |
| 20:34.01 | miggaiowsk1 | streuner: my bad |
| 20:34.22 | grand_grunt | tinin: Thanks. |
| 20:34.27 | streuner | miggaiowsk1: set UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS |
| 20:34.34 | lexoplex | grand_grunt: There are many, many window managers out there. You might want to look at WindowMaker. It's what I would call user friendly :) |
| 20:34.38 | lobak | so i think i gonna remove it |
| 20:34.40 | tinin | grand_grunt but try with a lenny netinstall |
| 20:34.41 | gusnan | lobaks, its just that some distros pull in gnome apps/libs into their xfce variants.. |
| 20:35.15 | grand_grunt | tinin: Oh no, no lenny. Etch. It's an old computer, no need for recent drivers. |
| 20:35.24 | simonrvn | hello Nyle_ |
| 20:35.29 | miggaiowsk1 | streuner: will do when I get home... I can't ssh into it right now.. |
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| 20:35.39 | nadar | abrotman, since i found it mentioned here http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15381 i thought, there'd be some repo where one can get it :S (though i don't like using it, i need to :( ) |
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| 20:35.45 | lobak | gusnan, yeah..thats what i was thinking.. |
| 20:35.52 | miggaiowsk1 | btw, does anyone know how to make network-manager keep trying to connect when it goes down? |
| 20:36.11 | tinin | grand_grunt so that one will serve, it's meant for that purpose. But I needed a 2.6 kernel, not too much difference |
| 20:36.19 | nadar | abrotman, oh i see, thats also helixplayer |
| 20:36.30 | nadar | maybe i have one more look tomorrow for that |
| 20:36.32 | lobak | well |
| 20:36.37 | lobak | thanks guys |
| 20:36.38 | nadar | g2g2bed now :( |
| 20:37.28 | grand_grunt | tinin: don't understand the link with 2.6.x kernel.. Etch got a 2.6.x kernel. |
| 20:37.42 | tinin | grand_grunt: there are several links there to other configuration options for icewm |
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| 20:38.41 | tinin | grand_grunt no that link is for installing with the 2.4 kernel, but I just followed it, its the same |
| 20:39.01 | miggaiowsk1 | my router is kinda far from my bedroom so the connection keeps going down every hour or so... does anyone know how to make network-manager retry to connect endlessly when it goes down? |
| 20:39.05 | grand_grunt | tinin: ok, thx. |
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| 20:40.38 | |Debian| | Anyone know what that .. SQL/APACHE/PHP combined app is ... like an all in one server |
| 20:40.52 | simonrvn | LAMP? |
| 20:40.54 | tinin | grand_grunt: you just install a netistall debian, but without the desktop, that guide will recommend you the most lightweigt apps+ |
| 20:41.05 | |Debian| | uhmmm |
| 20:41.08 | |Debian| | yes i think so. |
| 20:41.43 | |Debian| | damn it's not in the resps |
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| 20:41.56 | keith4 | what? |
| 20:42.01 | |Debian| | LAMP |
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| 20:42.21 | keith4 | are you confusing debian with ubuntu? |
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| 20:42.30 | |Debian| | nope |
| 20:42.39 | chops | |Debian|: Linux, Apache, Mysql, and PHP (and Perl) are all in the repos (which is what I assume you mean by "resps") |
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| 20:42.41 | vjoe | hello |
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| 20:42.57 | grand_grunt | tinin: goof |
| 20:42.59 | chops | |Debian|: You can install them all with one command if you'd like them to be "all in one" :-) |
| 20:43.00 | grand_grunt | *good |
| 20:43.09 | |Debian| | chops i know they are ... but i remember an all in one package |
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| 20:43.38 | keith4 | sure, it's called 'tasksel' |
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| 20:43.52 | chops | |Debian|: I doubt that the package you remember was part of Debian; that doesn't sound familiar. As keith4 mentioned you can use tasksel. |
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| 20:44.11 | keith4 | chops: i think ubuntu has a tasksel option for "LAMP server" |
| 20:44.16 | keith4 | or something similar |
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| 20:44.40 | UrsoBranco | hi, what the name of the package that installs the gnome-desktop and its apps from a minimal install ? |
| 20:44.40 | |Debian| | possibily |
| 20:44.43 | keith4 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tasksel?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=tasksel.jpg |
| 20:44.43 | St0n3-C0l | hmm if i remove networkmanager, shall I also delete /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 20:44.57 | UrsoBranco | like a task-gnome |
| 20:44.57 | keith4 | St0n3-C0l: only if you don't want DNS to work |
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| 20:45.39 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've got the latest NFS server, everything works fine except copying any largeish files, Anything over 400 megs, (even doing an MD5 sum or a hash check on a torrent) will trigger the server taking everything down |
| 20:45.59 | Blast_Hardcheese | Debian Etch, |
| 20:46.01 | St0n3-C0l | keith4: Actually i want to keep my resolv.conf static even on DHCP |
| 20:46.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | Loopback NFS mount on localhost |
| 20:46.18 | cusco | St0n3-C0l: edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 20:46.46 | keith4 | St0n3-C0l: as cusco said.... dhclient.conf lets you override, or pre-pend, or post-pend (is that a word?) options from dhcp |
| 20:46.49 | St0n3-C0l | nothing in it, anyway, when i used arch, there was one file where i used to put -R to stop from re-writing |
| 20:46.53 | St0n3-C0l | hmm |
| 20:46.56 | St0n3-C0l | oki |
| 20:47.02 | St0n3-C0l | wait |
| 20:47.17 | cusco | St0n3-C0l: I have the following line in my /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 20:47.18 | cusco | supersede domain-name-servers 194.168.4.100, 194.168.8.100 |
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| 20:47.47 | St0n3-C0l | hmm i've dhcp installed but this file is new |
| 20:47.51 | St0n3-C0l | hmm |
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| 20:48.14 | tinin | grand_grun icewm has no icons on the desktop, but there's a way to do so, if you have more than 32 of ram, it's explained there I guess (rox-filer). Just install the basic and then go to # 3 "nstalación del sistema gráfico y aplicaciones básicas" to have a desktop |
| 20:48.14 | St0n3-C0l | ok |
| 20:48.18 | St0n3-C0l | /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf :) |
| 20:48.45 | cusco | St0n3-C0l: then /etc/dhclient/dhclient.conf |
| 20:48.47 | cusco | (I guess) |
| 20:48.51 | cusco | but that sounds like ubuntu |
| 20:48.55 | cusco | or /etc/dhclient3 |
| 20:48.57 | cusco | or something |
| 20:49.08 | St0n3-C0l | im on debian not ubuntu ehe |
| 20:49.09 | St0n3-C0l | :P |
| 20:49.22 | cusco | that ok sorry, I was trolling |
| 20:49.26 | earthian | while working with partitions with debian installer i get this error: "error informing kernel about modifications to partition /dev/md/0p1 -- invalid argument." when i reboot i get the same error etc. |
| 20:49.48 | St0n3-C0l | ok now lemme investigate ehe |
| 20:49.56 | earthian | it seems that /dev/md/0p1 is not there when it should be |
| 20:50.47 | St0n3-C0l | cusco: Will you please guide me out a little? I am confused with supersede, prepend and postpend |
| 20:51.15 | St0n3-C0l | My domain name is GLOBAL and hostname SHAKIL. IP 172.16.13.210, server ip 172.16.15.1 |
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| 20:52.04 | cusco | St0n3-C0l: I dunno.. when I wanted to keep my nameservers in there, google told be that supresede will PREsed those two nameservers before all the other lines in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:52.09 | poseidon | I have installed the kde debian cd, however I can't find the documentation to tell me how to start kde? |
| 20:52.13 | cusco | for more info I guess you can man dhclient |
| 20:52.18 | poseidon | It just boots m into the commandline |
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| 20:53.52 | cusco | poseidon: as root /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 20:53.55 | cusco | should doit |
| 20:54.03 | St0n3-C0l | cusco: If I find a way to stop my resolv.conf from over-writing, will that work? |
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| 20:54.36 | St0n3-C0l | ok i will google now |
| 20:55.05 | cusco | St0n3-C0l: I guess you could chattr + i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:55.13 | cusco | but that is not propper |
| 20:55.22 | unop | St0n3-C0l, change the prepend line in /etc/dhclient.conf .. that should do it |
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| 20:55.35 | cusco | dhcp will still attempt to write to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:55.58 | cusco | St0n3-C0l: just add a line like mine but with your nameserver's IPs instead |
| 20:55.58 | St0n3-C0l | oki thnx |
| 20:55.59 | St0n3-C0l | ehe |
| 20:56.04 | St0n3-C0l | hmm |
| 20:56.26 | St0n3-C0l | i don't have problem wid nameserver. i've problem with my shitty domain which acts as workgroup for my lan |
| 20:56.36 | cusco | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 20:56.43 | cusco | sorryu I didn't read you up from the beginning |
| 20:57.14 | St0n3-C0l | so one way i found out to first stop resolv.conf from over-writing cos in it i will put search 'global' rather than it searches some other group |
| 20:57.17 | St0n3-C0l | so my net doesnt work |
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| 20:58.16 | cusco | so you're saying you whatn "search global" in there |
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| 20:58.34 | St0n3-C0l | yup |
| 20:58.35 | St0n3-C0l | domain GLOBAL |
| 20:58.39 | St0n3-C0l | search GLOBAL |
| 20:58.44 | runa_ | what kind of partitions might this be ; |
| 20:58.52 | St0n3-C0l | cos it otherwise automatically puts it 'newworld' |
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| 20:59.00 | runa_ | what kind of partitions might this be http://pastebin.com/m237caa98 |
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| 20:59.48 | earthian | runa_, that looks for me when you try to fdisk -l /dev/hda1 instead of /dev/hda |
| 20:59.57 | earthian | or sfdisk |
| 20:59.58 | earthian | :) |
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| 21:00.33 | runa_ | i just did fdisk -l it is the drive of a mp3player |
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| 21:00.43 | runa_ | a working mp3player |
| 21:01.15 | runa_ | i would like to read the other partition. can sb help me |
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| 21:02.05 | earthian | what device is your mp3player? |
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| 21:02.42 | cusco | I don't know St0n3-C0l .. change the attributes of /etc/resolv.conf - chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:02.49 | benjamindees | wow; that is fucking fantastic; I got acrobat 6 professional working in wine in less than two hours. :D |
| 21:03.05 | earthian | lol benjamindees :p |
| 21:03.15 | keith4 | runa_: it might not have a partition table at all |
| 21:03.26 | keith4 | many usb flash devices, for example, come as one giant partition |
| 21:03.30 | St0n3-C0l | hmm oki |
| 21:03.31 | St0n3-C0l | thnx |
| 21:03.39 | earthian | keith4, they usualy has one partition |
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| 21:03.45 | earthian | like sda and sda1 |
| 21:03.45 | keith4 | so, you could mount /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda1 for example |
| 21:03.55 | keith4 | earthian: not true |
| 21:04.09 | keith4 | it depends entirely on how it was formatted |
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| 21:04.59 | earthian | maybe.. |
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| 21:05.13 | Haris | Hello people |
| 21:05.18 | benjamindees | earthian, I really need acrobat to compare PDFs with; and judging by the reports it wasn't supposed to work as well as it does :p |
| 21:05.18 | earthian | hello |
| 21:05.22 | Haris | I'm trying to build 2.6.9 on etch r2 |
| 21:05.33 | Haris | I'm told I have a too new version of gcc to build it |
| 21:05.35 | Haris | What are my options? |
| 21:05.39 | earthian | i am sure you need... but two hours is a lot :p |
| 21:05.49 | Haris | Can I build 2.6.9 somehow? |
| 21:07.04 | earthian | Haris, i have no idea how to help you... but i am wondering why do you need 2.6.9 when 2.6.25 is out |
| 21:07.38 | Haris | earthian: the later version has problems, the earlier versions does not |
| 21:07.46 | Haris | version+ |
| 21:07.57 | earthian | i see |
| 21:08.09 | keith4 | all reasons for why you should or should not do that aside, why don't you just install an older version of gcc? |
| 21:08.12 | benjamindees | autocad is next :-D |
| 21:08.13 | chops | Haris: Have you filed a bug? What problems does it have? |
| 21:08.25 | chops | Haris: You're not going to be able to keep running 2.6.9 forever :-) |
| 21:08.30 | Haris | chops: Yep, its in BTS and on kernel list |
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| 21:08.48 | chops | Haris: k |
| 21:08.48 | Haris | netdev |
| 21:09.13 | Haris | Its only been one day. I should not expect a response too soon from kernel/netdev :p |
| 21:09.52 | Haris | keith4: I have minor concerns, like increasing complexity, breaking the box |
| 21:10.04 | Haris | etch r3! is out |
| 21:10.19 | Haris | has been, for a while now |
| 21:10.34 | keith4 | ha! Haris = Haris1? |
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| 21:10.37 | keith4 | runs away |
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| 21:10.57 | Haris | keith4: ye, one is for when I'm at office, this one is when I'm at home |
| 21:11.02 | Haris | nothing unusual |
| 21:11.17 | keith4 | i'm running away because I just remember what problem you're talking about |
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| 21:12.26 | Haris | I should hit the sac |
| 21:12.36 | Haris | later people |
| 21:12.47 | Baklazan | nice helo ;):D |
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| 21:13.12 | dipset | does anybody know if 8.04 has leaked at all? |
| 21:13.14 | dipset | :-\ |
| 21:13.31 | good_dana | dipset: i'm pretty sure there's cvs versions |
| 21:13.38 | dipset | cvs? |
| 21:13.50 | cusco | dipset: this is not ubuntu |
| 21:13.52 | dipset | oh but will it be the final version? |
| 21:13.56 | good_dana | oh yeah |
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| 21:14.04 | dipset | cusco: i'm banned from #ubuntu for some reason |
| 21:14.09 | good_dana | haha |
| 21:14.12 | chops | dipset: Can't imagine why :-) |
| 21:14.14 | cusco | dipset: join #ubuntu+1 |
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| 21:14.18 | dipset | i can get the final 8.04 from something called cvs? |
| 21:14.22 | cusco | don't ask in #debian |
| 21:14.22 | dipset | ?! |
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| 21:14.34 | cusco | dipset: also look at www.ubuntu.com |
| 21:14.39 | cusco | don't bother us with that |
| 21:14.41 | dipset | it says 2 sayd |
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| 21:14.44 | dipset | 2 DAYS |
| 21:14.51 | dipset | i dont want to wait i need it now please help me |
| 21:15.05 | markybob | !ops dipset ubuntu troll |
| 21:15.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: markybob complains about: dipset ubuntu troll |
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| 21:15.28 | abrotman | dipset: we do not support Ubuntu here, go to #ubuntu |
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| 21:15.37 | abrotman | or that |
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| 21:15.48 | streuner | hehe |
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| 21:16.03 | LoRez | seriously? |
| 21:16.04 | streuner | haha |
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| 21:16.22 | earthian | heh |
| 21:16.24 | earthian | :/ |
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| 21:16.48 | earthian | anyway... can somebody help me with a debian installer + software raid problem? |
| 21:17.06 | markybob | !ask |
| 21:17.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:17.37 | streuner | markybob: we are able to *deal* with this situation without awaking OPs... |
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| 21:18.06 | earthian | I am trying to install debian on two hard disks with raid0. I have made the two HDs to md0 so far but when i create partitions they do not appear under /dev/md/ and so i get error: "error informing kernel about modifications to partition /dev/md/0p1 -- invalid argument." when i reboot i get the same error etc. |
| 21:18.12 | mantas_lt | i'm on debian etch. when i try to get memory usage with mrtg, i get ERROR: Target[server.mem][_OUT_] ' $target->[0]{$mode} ' did not eval into defined data. any ideas? |
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| 21:20.11 | spx2 | has anyone here used vncserver ? |
| 21:20.16 | chops | !anyone |
| 21:20.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:20.29 | spx2 | I have just installed it and I'd need some help because I can't seem to connect to it |
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| 21:22.16 | chops | spx2: So describe how you've configured it, what you're trying to do to connect, and what happens instead of what you'd expect... waiting for people to ask basic questions like "What's the error message?" before providing enough information to help you isn't the right way to go. |
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| 21:22.44 | chops | spx2: I know it _seems_ more polite to engage in a dialogue before asking people to help, but it's actually better just to blather on about your setup until someone volunteers a hand :-) |
| 21:23.16 | earthian | wishes somebody would volunteer for him too :p |
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| 21:23.56 | chops | earthian: Sorry, I've never made partitions on a software RAID before. I actually didn't even know it was possible (though I guess it makes sense). |
| 21:24.29 | poseidon | cusco, how do I set it up so that it automaticly starts kde each time I boot up in debian? |
| 21:24.44 | earthian | chops, interesting is that many many people did not make these things... and yet debian claims its old and good way to do raid |
| 21:24.45 | earthian | :/ |
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| 21:24.55 | earthian | well not debian but linux in general |
| 21:24.59 | earthian | many distros.. |
| 21:25.12 | sepski | earthian, do it the other way around. make partitions on the harddrives, then make md's out of those partitions, then mkfs the md's DONT partition them |
| 21:25.47 | earthian | good idea sepski .. |
| 21:25.49 | earthian | tries |
| 21:25.55 | cusco | poseidon: there should be a init script in /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 21:25.59 | sepski | yes i know it's backwards compared to hardware raid, but thats the way it is i am afraid |
| 21:26.07 | cusco | linked to /etc/init.d/kdm |
| 21:26.12 | milia | se kana 8wro or so |
| 21:26.21 | poseidon | cusco, k thinks |
| 21:26.23 | sepski | a sfdisk backup of the partition tables are nice to have around in case you ever need to replace a drive |
| 21:26.32 | cusco | poseidon: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 21:26.33 | sepski | sfdisk -d |
| 21:26.47 | earthian | i have brand new drivers.. i can do anything |
| 21:28.02 | sepski | ofcourse, but i mean in 5 years time when you have forgotten all about it, and one disk dies and you want to replace one. you can sfdisk /dev/newdrive < my-old-partitiontable.dump.txt instead of having to do thinking to repartition the drive |
| 21:28.23 | sepski | ofcourse it's not HARD to do the thinking... but it's nice not to :) |
| 21:29.12 | chops | earthian: I use SW RAID all the time, I just don't partition the disks |
| 21:29.28 | chops | earthian: Or rather don't partition the MD devices |
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| 21:30.59 | CalJohn | earthian: not everony has direct experience with every detail of this 20k+ package distro |
| 21:31.15 | CalJohn | s/everony/everyone |
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| 21:32.26 | chops | earthian: One reason it's good to partition disks and then use the partitions to assemble MD devices is that it makes the disks recognizable if some future admin is trying to figure out what they are (or you are, on an old server that's been powered off for a while or something) |
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| 21:33.05 | chops | earthian: If you run fdisk and see "Linux RAID" partition, that's fine. If you run fdisk and it says "sod off", it's easy to assume that the disk is useless and difficult to figure out the tools to use to determine what its Linux SW RAID metadata is |
| 21:33.12 | earthian | zomg |
| 21:33.29 | earthian | it works now |
| 21:33.51 | earthian | it seems that partman automatically created primary partition on md0 |
| 21:34.05 | earthian | and removed it and created my own which didn ot work |
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| 21:34.55 | takahiro | hewwo- how do i make dhclient run on boot-up? |
| 21:35.25 | h0ax | anyone know why .. gaim just randomly shuts off every now and then |
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| 21:35.42 | barnum | in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:35.51 | abrotman | takahiro: set the interface to auto .. man 5 interfaces |
| 21:35.52 | oDesk | how i browse website over ssh ? |
| 21:35.59 | barnum | i think its iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 21:36.20 | barnum | INTERFACES(5) File formats INTERFACES(5) |
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| 21:36.39 | takahiro | cool thanks! |
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| 21:39.22 | uppp | !pastebin |
| 21:39.22 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 21:42.39 | zyx386 | hi all, can every one tell about "how to creat fonts with GPL license " |
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| 21:44.31 | zyx386 | we have the font with GPL license in zip file, but the debian devloper said, most in fonts gpl3 |
| 21:44.39 | zyx386 | how can i do that? |
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| 21:44.55 | ricosecada | What are the "contrib" for in source.list? |
| 21:45.04 | themill | !tell ricosecada about contrib |
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| 21:45.32 | s_ | Has anyone had any trouble with nspluginwrapper and iceweasel? |
| 21:45.54 | vjoe | !anyone > s_ |
| 21:45.55 | ricosecada | thanks themill |
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| 21:46.13 | vjoe | !anyone |
| 21:46.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:46.20 | vjoe | it's like that :P |
| 21:47.06 | abrotman | not really |
| 21:48.10 | earthian | in the debian installer's partman -> partition usage what are the standard parameters? |
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| 21:48.38 | earthian | i.e news is 4kb inode |
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| 21:49.30 | s_ | I'm running the AMD64 architecture of Debian Lenny. I installed nspluginwrapper, and ran nspluginwrapper -v -i on the libflashplayer.so I got from the official 32-bit tarball. However, it fails on the iceweasel of the install, saying this: And create symlink to plugin in /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins: failed! |
| 21:49.35 | oDesk | i want to browse webpage from ssh |
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| 21:50.08 | earthian | oDesk, you need lynx then |
| 21:50.19 | zyx386 | ? |
| 21:50.23 | s_ | As expected, flash in iceweasel does not work. It does work, however, for firefox/mozilla. I don't want to use these browsers, and would much prefer iceweasel. I know the obvious response would be to just use what works |
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| 21:50.33 | oDesk | earthian: yes thanks, just wanted to remember the command |
| 21:50.46 | s_ | But, I feel iceweasel is "more right", if that makes any sense =) |
| 21:51.22 | barnum | try /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ |
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| 21:52.10 | barnum | hmm |
| 21:54.04 | s_ | barnum: It's installed there. |
| 21:54.16 | s_ | both in lib64 and lib, as well as in /usr/lib/firefox |
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| 21:56.12 | s_ | Okay, I checked the symlinks manually, and discovered that it is actually there. |
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| 21:57.17 | barnum | symlink where? i copied the .so to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins |
| 21:57.35 | barnum | user@cumberland:~/install_flash_player_9_linux > nspluginwrapper -v -a -i |
| 21:57.44 | barnum | restarted iceweasel and its happy |
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| 21:57.56 | s_ | What do you get when you run npviewer? |
| 21:58.04 | s_ | Do you get this?: *** NSPlugin Viewer *** error, TARGET_OS not initialized |
| 21:58.42 | barnum | i dont even find npviewer on my system |
| 21:58.44 | barnum | running find now... |
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| 22:00.31 | s_ | Wouldn't you just need to nspluginwrapper -v -a if you manually symlinked it, btw? |
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| 22:01.35 | s_ | Okay, I think I may have found the issue here. |
| 22:02.18 | s_ | My sylink was pointing at /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/noarch/npviewer, and not /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386/linux/npviewer |
| 22:02.29 | s_ | Hence teh OS not initialized. I'm going to fix that and see if it's problematic. |
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| 22:07.40 | sharp15 | why would libcomedi be refusing to update to a newer version? |
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| 22:08.22 | s_ | dagnarbit. It just won't work. |
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| 22:09.01 | sharp15 | libcomedi0_0.8.1 is trying to replace libcomedi-0.7.22 on my system. |
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| 22:10.38 | s_ | This blasted thing... I swear. |
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| 22:11.20 | themill | !tell sharp15 about bat |
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| 22:11.50 | allquixotic | Hi, is there any way to convince aptitude/apt-get that a package which is missing dependencies is not "broken"? I did a dpkg --force-all and manually fixed missing deps, so the package is behaving as I want it to. |
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| 22:12.13 | \amethyst | !equivs |
| 22:12.13 | dpkg | from memory, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
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| 22:13.05 | sharp15 | sorry themill. |
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| 22:14.06 | themill | sharp15: nothing to be sorry for! Just provide us with some more information about what's going on and someone will take a look at it for you. |
| 22:14.26 | allquixotic | \amethyst: Oh ok, I guess I can download the .deb for equivs and --force-install it (can't apt-get until I _use_ equivs) and then man it and work it out.... thanks |
| 22:14.52 | themill | allquixotic: it's not often that you would safely do that though... specifically what package is missing that you are trying to pretend isn't missing? |
| 22:15.36 | allquixotic | themill: it's a third party repository designed for Debian Lenny but I'm using Ubuntu Hardy Heron. The version of the library in Hardy is a micro version higher, but it links and seems to work in the program I'm using it with. |
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| 22:15.44 | poseidon | I have just installed debian and I put "/etc/init.d/kdm start" in the commandline and it returned that kdm is already running. I thought kdm would be a gui? |
| 22:16.16 | Tr0gd0r | How would I make a script kill a screen with a specific name? anyone know |
| 22:16.22 | themill | allquixotic: you mean that it seems to work up to the point where apt is descending into confused madness!? |
| 22:16.26 | \amethyst | poseidon: ctrl ctrl-alt-F7 |
| 22:16.32 | \amethyst | poseidon: err, try ctrl-alt-F7 |
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| 22:16.59 | poseidon | \amethyst, what will that do? |
| 22:17.04 | Tr0gd0r | How would I make a script kill a screen with a specific name? anyone know? |
| 22:17.07 | barnum | ps awux|grep name | kill -9 `xargs '{print $2}' |
| 22:17.14 | barnum | ps awux|grep name | kill -9 `xargs '{print $2}'` |
| 22:17.16 | barnum | something like that |
| 22:17.19 | allquixotic | themill: I'm saying that a program I've installed from a third-party repo works fine with a library whose package name is not equal to the package name in Debian Lenny, because Ubuntu 8.04 has a more recent version of the package which is backwards-compatible enough. |
| 22:17.20 | \amethyst | poseidon: switch to virtual terminal 7, which is usually where the display manager runs |
| 22:17.26 | \amethyst | barnum: why -9 ? |
| 22:17.26 | barnum | not xargs awk |
| 22:17.29 | barnum | im going by for more coffee |
| 22:17.40 | Tr0gd0r | barnum was that for me? |
| 22:17.41 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: killall |
| 22:17.43 | allquixotic | themill: *the* problem is not with the program at this point, but with dpkg/aptitude/apt-get. so I'm going to create an equivalent package for the missing dep. |
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| 22:17.48 | barnum | well 9 is with extreme prejudice :) |
| 22:17.51 | Tr0gd0r | \amethyst I dont want them all |
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| 22:17.55 | Tr0gd0r | i have 4 screens running |
| 22:17.55 | patarok | hello! |
| 22:17.56 | stew | allquixotic: you should not be using --force |
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| 22:17.57 | allquixotic | themill: It is by no means a Debian (or even an Ubuntu) problem that I'm having to do it this way; I'm just hacking around the dependencies marked by the package in the third-party repo. |
| 22:17.58 | Tr0gd0r | only want to kill one |
| 22:18.12 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: oh, a screen |
| 22:18.13 | patarok | could somebody tell me how to mount ufs?? |
| 22:18.32 | stew | allquixotic: oh, if you are using ubuntu, please seek help in #ubuntu, not here |
| 22:18.38 | patarok | can i read and write it in debian |
| 22:18.38 | DavidW2 | what's the mechanism by which dpkg can automatically check for updated versions of the package. It takes some regex of the file on an http/ftp site |
| 22:19.00 | Tr0gd0r | \amethyst any ideas? |
| 22:19.34 | \amethyst | Tr0gd0r: screen -S name -X quit |
| 22:19.36 | themill | allquixotic: you're really making life difficult mixing in crappy third party repos that have odd dependencies in them. Mixing ubuntu and debian is madder still. But since you system is fundamentally ubuntu, you should ask them to lead you through it. |
| 22:19.47 | allquixotic | stew: it's not an Ubuntu package I'm dealing with, I was just asking a general question about dpkg, so I think that's reasonable enough. Anyway, I have the information I need, whether or not it's the recommended way to do things. |
| 22:20.06 | patarok | ? i cant find anything related to ufs or darwin in /proc/filesystems |
| 22:20.58 | allquixotic | themill: Lead me through it? I upgraded an Ubuntu 5.05 system to 7.10 Alpha last year. I'd say I'm pretty well-versed in shoving very unpleasant package combinations through the dpkg system. The 'equivs' package will help me greatly towards this end. :) |
| 22:20.59 | sharp15 | these go with my earlier question. "apt-get upgrade" is met with http://pastebin.ca/993847 and running "apt-get -f install" as apt recomends is results in http://pastebin.ca/993852 |
| 22:21.04 | stew | allquixotic: please seek help in #ubuntu, not here. we don't support ubuntu here no matter what package you are having trouble installing into it |
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| 22:22.34 | allquixotic | thanks for helping me, \amethyst. |
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| 22:22.47 | stew | sharp15: you are trying to mix two different releases of debian which is not recommended. you should stick to one or the other. please show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 22:23.16 | sharp15 | stew: i'm using testing with it's default configs. shouldn't be mixing anything. |
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| 22:23.44 | andre_pl | i've seen posts on using setterm to disable console-blanking, but how can I make this change permanent? |
| 22:24.09 | stew | sharp15: http://packages.debian.org/libcomedi-0.7.22 <-- this package, which is one of the two conflicting packages exists only in stable |
| 22:25.06 | sharp15 | stew: as requestied http://pastebin.ca/993863 |
| 22:26.10 | sharp15 | *requested |
| 22:26.28 | stew | sharp15: i'd recommend removing libcomedi-0.7.22 and filing a bug against libcomedi0 stating that it should explicitly conflict with libcomedi-0.7.22 (/msg dpkg reportbug) |
| 22:27.04 | sharp15 | stew: just checking. i am using testing, correct? |
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| 22:27.49 | stew | sharp15: according to your sources.list you are |
| 22:28.10 | sharp15 | then why am i installing stable's packages? |
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| 22:28.57 | setner | good evening everyone |
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| 22:30.13 | stew | sharp15: you aren't you are installing a testing package that conflicts with a stable package which is already installed. this indicates that perhaps you were at some previous time running etch, and that perhaps you never finished upgrading to lenny |
| 22:30.54 | stew | sharp15: or that you just happen to have some old packages that were removed from lenny a while ago but you aren't keep it up to date |
| 22:30.58 | sharp15 | stew: i installed using lenny's network install cd. |
| 22:31.48 | stew | sharp15: then you have old pacakges which have been removed from lenny |
| 22:31.57 | sharp15 | so beyond the bugreport there is nothing i can do to get around this. |
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| 22:32.06 | hell-jack | hey |
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| 22:32.16 | hell-jack | i cannot find my public_html folder |
| 22:32.19 | stew | sharp15: yes, you can remove the offending package |
| 22:32.25 | hell-jack | it appears in gftp |
| 22:32.29 | sharp15 | stew: i tried that. |
| 22:32.31 | stew | sharp15: perhaps "aptitude full-upgrade" would want to do this for you |
| 22:32.38 | hell-jack | but while searching this folder system cannot find |
| 22:32.40 | stew | sharp15: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 22:32.42 | hell-jack | what can i do |
| 22:32.59 | stew | hell-jack: where does it appear in gftp? |
| 22:33.21 | themill | !dbugs 476562 |
| 22:33.24 | dpkg | #476562:I[libcomedi0] libcomedi0 should Replaces: libcomedi-0.7.22; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 15:06:01 UTC |
| 22:33.26 | setner | hi everyone |
| 22:33.29 | themill | sharp15: ^^ |
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| 22:33.36 | stew | sharp15: so the bug has already been filed |
| 22:34.43 | stew | that should be upgraded to serious |
| 22:34.54 | themill | setner: Hi! Do you have a Debian related question we can help you with? |
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| 22:35.35 | sharp15 | stew: i ran "apt-get remove libcomedi" and got the same as my first pastebin (http://pastebin.ca/993847) |
| 22:37.22 | sharp15 | stew: actually the output is a little different. http://pastebin.ca/993878 |
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| 22:39.28 | hell-jack | stew, it appears in / |
| 22:39.31 | hell-jack | but |
| 22:39.42 | hell-jack | there is no such folder public_html in / |
| 22:39.44 | Ziroday | Is irc.oftc.net working for anyone? |
| 22:39.48 | sharp15 | themill: ok. i didn't think it was a bug when i got here. sorry. |
| 22:39.54 | stew | sharp15: i'm suggesting that you remove libcomedi-0.7.22 not libcomedi |
| 22:40.00 | stew | hell-jack: what user are you logging into? |
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| 22:40.26 | \amethyst | sharp15: try aptitude install libcomedi-0.7.22_ libcomedi0+ |
| 22:40.35 | hannizkaos | which is the easiest way to show all installes packages on a mixed system by distribution? |
| 22:40.36 | hell-jack | my user name is hellues |
| 22:40.42 | hell-jack | i made an index.php |
| 22:40.43 | \amethyst | sharp15: the _ tells it to purge that package |
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| 22:40.58 | stew | hell-jack: look forn /home/hellues/public_html |
| 22:41.01 | hell-jack | and by using gftp,move index.php into public_html |
| 22:41.09 | hell-jack | and refresh my page |
| 22:41.12 | hell-jack | changes appears |
| 22:41.23 | stew | hannizkaos apt-show-versions |
| 22:41.24 | hell-jack | nı public_html on /home/hellues |
| 22:41.46 | \amethyst | hell-jack: when you gftp in, what directory does it say you're in? |
| 22:41.51 | stew | hell-jack: ask the system administrator where your ftp chroots you to |
| 22:41.55 | stew | \amethyst: / |
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| 22:42.04 | \amethyst | oh |
| 22:42.14 | \amethyst | yeah, what stew said---find out where the chroot is |
| 22:42.27 | hell-jack | how can i find chroot |
| 22:42.31 | hannizkaos | stew: so if i want to look for packages for testing, i have to grep for "unstable", right? |
| 22:42.38 | \amethyst | hell-jack: look in the FTP server configuration |
| 22:42.38 | stew | hell-jack: ask the system administrator that setup the ftpd |
| 22:42.59 | poseidon | I have just installed debian etch with the kde version of the debian installer found here http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html however when I boot up I boot into just the commandline (no gui). I was told to try /etc/init.d/kdm start, but it says that kdm is already running. I have tried ctrl-alt-f7 as \amethyst suggested but that just brings me to a blanks black screen with a cursur. |
| 22:43.13 | stew | hannizkaos: no, you'd look for "lenny" or "testing" |
| 22:43.14 | s_ | Say, I was benchmarking my system, and I discovered some very odd results. |
| 22:44.10 | s_ | I have an Athlon 64 x2, and gets 40.131 MiB/s on CPU MD5 benchmark, whereas a 1.5 GHz Celeron gets 38.6607998 MiB/s. |
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| 22:44.36 | \amethyst | ... and? |
| 22:44.37 | abrotman | are you denying the power of the celeron?! |
| 22:44.39 | s_ | So, basically, my CPU has twice the bit-width, twice the cores, each core being 20% faster than the Celeron |
| 22:44.47 | abrotman | s_: we need more info on which celeron 1.5Ghz that is |
| 22:44.54 | s_ | And yet only attains 1.5 more MiB/s than a Celery CPU? |
| 22:44.54 | \amethyst | s_: is the MD5 benchmark in question snigle-threaded or multi-threaded? |
| 22:45.08 | stew | s_: twice the cores doesn't help unless test you were running was multiply threaded |
| 22:45.13 | \amethyst | s_: because if it's a single-threaded benchmark, all the cores in the world won't help |
| 22:45.17 | \amethyst | what stew said |
| 22:45.18 | poseidon | How can I get kde/kdm working in gui mode? |
| 22:45.20 | sharp15 | \amethyst: i'm not really comfortable running that command given that it removes a lot of stuff that it doesn't appear it should. |
| 22:45.39 | abrotman | poseidon: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 22:45.43 | s_ | \amethyst: Hm. Well, it's only the benchmarking program I was testing out that came with the gnome task |
| 22:45.59 | poseidon | abrotman, I don't have internet on the os yet. I have to install a driver |
| 22:46.07 | themill | poseidon: it's probably not kdm's fault. Have you set up xorg? Are there errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
| 22:46.11 | hannizkaos | stew: thank you. do you have a suggestion for performing a mass downgrade? i mean MASS. |
| 22:46.23 | abrotman | poseidon: so don't you think you should concentrate on your network issues first? |
| 22:46.29 | nite613 | mass downgrade doesn't sound fun at all |
| 22:46.37 | stew | hannizkaos: there isn't a way, /msg dpkg partial downgrade |
| 22:46.56 | poseidon | abrotman, I'll do that then. How do I acess a flashdrive via the commandline then? |
| 22:47.05 | stew | poseidon: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 22:47.15 | sharp15 | stew: "sudo apt-get remove libcomedi-0.7.22" does this http://pastebin.ca/993847 |
| 22:47.41 | s_ | Shouldn't the fact that it's 64-bit rather than 32-bit also make it run faster? Plus, each core is still 20% faster than the Celeron. That means I'd likely expect ~7.5 more MiB/s, as that's maybe an 3.866 MiB/s * 1.2 |
| 22:48.11 | \amethyst | s_: 64-bit can actually make it slower in some circumstances |
| 22:48.14 | s_ | Plus my laptop has 4G of RAM, so I can factor that out... |
| 22:48.18 | s_ | \amethyst: Really |
| 22:48.26 | \amethyst | s_: because it means pointers are bigger |
| 22:48.43 | stew | sharp15: you are saying that "sudo apt-get remove libcomedi-0.7.22" does exactly the same thing as running "sudo apt-get upgrade" ? |
| 22:48.44 | \amethyst | s_: meaning they take up more cache, so there's less room for other stuff |
| 22:48.45 | abrotman | s_: which family is the celeron ? |
| 22:48.48 | \amethyst | s_: and code size increases |
| 22:48.56 | abrotman | s_: the orginal P4? or the newer P4-m stuff ? |
| 22:49.11 | \amethyst | s_: Is the benchmark process CPU bound? Do you get 100% CPU usage on both systems? |
| 22:49.21 | adama | lspci: command not found ...? |
| 22:49.25 | s_ | You seen hardinfo that comes with the GNOME task in Lenny? |
| 22:49.41 | s_ | That's all I'm using. There's a default entry in there for a Celeron 1.5 GHz CPU to compare my ratings against. |
| 22:49.49 | sharp15 | stew: yes. |
| 22:49.50 | grand_grunt | adama: lspci.. as root. |
| 22:49.51 | s_ | \amethyst: I'm uncertain. |
| 22:50.10 | \amethyst | s_: run top in another window and watch the percentages while the benchmark runs |
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| 22:50.16 | adama | grand_grunt: I am root, I need to install something.. |
| 22:50.29 | stew | sharp15: please show us the output of "sudo apt-get remove libcomedi-0.7.22" |
| 22:50.35 | grand_grunt | adama: And you got no lspci? WTF? |
| 22:50.54 | adama | nope |
| 22:50.55 | abrotman | pciutils |
| 22:50.56 | stew | adama: pciutils |
| 22:51.14 | adama | excellent, thanks |
| 22:51.39 | s_ | Okay, it's sitting @ 99% CPU Util |
| 22:51.44 | s_ | While hardinfo is running |
| 22:52.17 | sharp15 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/993896 |
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| 22:54.25 | s_ | Bah, this is garbage. |
| 22:54.36 | s_ | Is there a way to be certain that a package uses threads? |
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| 22:54.38 | stew | sharp15: try "sudo apt-get remove libcomedi-0.7.22 libcomedi0+" |
| 22:54.53 | stew | s_: look through the source code |
| 22:54.59 | s_ | Are there compile-time options that may be used? Or is that something I'd end up having to manually code it for |
| 22:55.15 | stew | s_: its something you'd have to manually code for |
| 22:55.18 | s_ | Ah. |
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| 22:56.08 | extor | What is a linux/GNU equivalent of the PAR2 parity file util that can create recovery files to protect backed up stuff on media? |
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| 22:56.27 | s_ | extor: Whoa, that sounds useful. |
| 22:57.02 | extor | s yeah I am about to burn 1.1 gigs of data to a DVD and a few hundred megs of parity info would be nice when I get those seek errors. |
| 22:57.16 | sharp15 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/993898 |
| 22:57.39 | s_ | extor: I always liked the idea of full solid archiving with 7zip + some sort of parity functionality. Except that I never actually bothered to add the latter =) |
| 22:58.03 | extor | oh so 7zip does have parity built in |
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| 22:58.13 | extor | sad that none of the old school nix archivers have parity |
| 22:59.05 | abrotman | they have checksums ? |
| 22:59.12 | s_ | Yeah, but that can't repair anything. |
| 22:59.27 | s_ | Just reaffirms that your archive is busted =) |
| 22:59.28 | Blast_Hardcheese | What, do you want to double the size of every archive? |
| 22:59.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | ;) |
| 22:59.50 | s_ | Heck, even 1MB of parity per GB would be enough for me. |
| 23:00.29 | nite613 | thinks the term "parity" is being badly abused here ;) |
| 23:01.03 | stew | sharp15: then you'll have to try just removing things until it is happy, start with libcomedi-0.7.22 libcomedi0 ktimetrace |
| 23:01.13 | s_ | Aye =) |
| 23:01.28 | s_ | nite613: You're right. I don't know what I was thinking. |
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| 23:01.40 | Tr0gd0r | s_ par2 |
| 23:01.43 | extor | yeah 10% is a nice parity overhead for me |
| 23:01.57 | extor | but for superduper important archiving 500% parity doesn't hurt much |
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| 23:02.18 | nite613 | anyways, par2 is what you're looking for |
| 23:02.24 | nite613 | oh, Tr0gd0r beat me to it |
| 23:02.30 | extor | so nothing better than par2 out there? |
| 23:02.40 | extor | Shocking cuz the par2 project is so skimpy and barebones looking |
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| 23:03.14 | abrotman | !xar |
| 23:03.16 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:03.21 | extor | xar? |
| 23:03.24 | poseidon | In "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0" do I replace user with my username? |
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| 23:04.42 | pinto3 | user means user group iirc |
| 23:04.59 | nite613 | poseidon: that means that users are allowed to mount it |
| 23:05.03 | nite613 | you don't replace that |
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| 23:08.09 | sharp15 | stew: it was ktimetrace that did it. i'm still not sure why though. |
| 23:08.15 | enouf | hrm, this 'newgrp' thing is freaky |
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| 23:08.34 | sharp15 | enouf: newgrp? |
| 23:08.53 | enouf | poseidon: you can if you like, you can use users, or uid=1000,gid=1000 |
| 23:09.20 | enouf | poseidon: if you want that user access only - man mount, /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 23:09.29 | enouf | sharp15: yep |
| 23:09.58 | sharp15 | the command? |
| 23:10.13 | enouf | sharp15: (the comment about newgrp wasn't related to you or your issue - i just got here) |
| 23:10.26 | enouf | sharp15: yes, man newgrp |
| 23:10.31 | sharp15 | enouf: i know. i was curious. |
| 23:10.36 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 23:12.00 | andre_pl | does etch use upstart? or is that just a debian thing? |
| 23:12.09 | andre_pl | sorry, ubuntu thing |
| 23:12.10 | enouf | not that i know of |
| 23:12.16 | enouf | !upstart |
| 23:12.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, upstart is an event-based replacement for the /sbin/init daemon which handles starting of tasks and services during boot, stopping them during shutdown and supervising them while the system is running. check http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ for more details. upstart is packaged in <experimental>. |
| 23:13.16 | enouf | hrm, i wonder what's up with initng lately |
| 23:13.22 | andre_pl | so its not a debian thing.... |
| 23:13.24 | abrotman | i thought another had made it to sid/lenny |
| 23:13.28 | themill | http://release.debian.org/lenny/goals.txt <= dependency based init |
| 23:13.28 | abrotman | enouf: dead IIRC |
| 23:13.35 | enouf | !info initng unstable |
| 23:13.39 | enouf | oh |
| 23:13.43 | andre_pl | the debian community is generally much brighter than the ubuntu-ers, so I was hoping i couldget help here :P |
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| 23:14.14 | enouf | please please tell me we're not switching over to upstart |
| 23:14.18 | \amethyst | andre_pl: every time someone says that, I wonder what it means that that person still runs Ubuntu |
| 23:14.42 | andre_pl | \amethyst: it was easiest to get running on my ps3 :P |
| 23:15.16 | andre_pl | now I need to trick it into running a program of my own instead of the tty login prompt |
| 23:15.22 | andre_pl | or automatically log in and run a script |
| 23:15.24 | andre_pl | but no X |
| 23:15.34 | andre_pl | the only solution I could find wont work with upstart |
| 23:16.07 | \amethyst | andre_pl: when I needed an automatic console login I did something like |
| 23:16.27 | \amethyst | andre_pl: (in /etc/inittab) 7:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -nl /usr/local/bin/autologin 38400 tty8 |
| 23:16.47 | \amethyst | andre_pl: where /usr/local/bin/autologin is a script that does /bin/login -f myusername |
| 23:16.51 | andre_pl | \amethyst: yel, that's the same hack I saw, but upstart doesn't use inittab |
| 23:17.13 | \amethyst | oh, I didn't realize upstart replaced all of init---I thought it just replaced the init scripts |
| 23:17.29 | andre_pl | no pretty much everything |
| 23:17.34 | andre_pl | its a pain in my ass |
| 23:17.37 | \amethyst | andre_pl: what program do you need to run? |
| 23:17.51 | andre_pl | my own |
| 23:17.53 | enouf | themill: do you know anything more about it? i see "initscripts-ng" .. would that be a fork more related to initng? or more related to upstart? (excuse my ignorance) |
| 23:17.56 | \amethyst | andre_pl: and does that program need to do input from the terminal, or just output? |
| 23:17.59 | azeem | \amethyst, andre_pl: please take this to a private chat or another chan |
| 23:18.11 | \amethyst | andre_pl: never mind |
| 23:19.39 | themill | enouf: I know very little about it, how they're planning on doing it or whether it's actually worthwhile at all. I for one don't really care about boot times because I reboot so rarely... I presume there are other reasons for wanting this though. |
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| 23:21.26 | enouf | themill: i'm basically in the same boat, however; i've noticed from trying to help various users who run "based-on-debian" systems in other channels, that upstart is not 'cooperative' (meaning many unknowns, no /etc/inittab, etc) with the init.d i'm used to |
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| 23:21.57 | sandman | debtorrent sure seems promising. |
| 23:22.07 | sandman | Does this mean I'll be able to contribute bandwidth to the debian project, then? =) |
| 23:22.20 | sandman | If only there was a way for me to contribute CPU cycles, to boot. |
| 23:22.40 | themill | enouf: changes are always difficult to deal with. automagical things are even more difficult... (think hal and udev vs /etc/modules) |
| 23:22.57 | sharp15 | stew: i forgot earlier. thanks for the help. |
| 23:23.17 | stew | sharp15: no problem, you're welcome |
| 23:24.04 | n3kl | What do I need to create a wireless access point out of debian? |
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| 23:25.55 | enouf | themill: meaning there's both very little docs, (or atleast there was in the past) , and if there is, i doubt it equates usage to the relevant past "equivalent" standard init system commands (i.e; if i do this (in upstart), would my action equal what that (in sysv init.d) would've done?) |
| 23:26.17 | enouf | themill: yep, i concur |
| 23:26.36 | themill | enouf: we'll see how it goes. If it all just works, then I'm happy :) |
| 23:26.40 | stew | n3kl: bridge-utils in order to bridge wiresless and wired worlds |
| 23:26.55 | enouf | themill: just having (newer) apt default to installing Recommends is enough to drive me bonkers :-P |
| 23:27.13 | enouf | (though i know the workaround) |
| 23:27.54 | n3kl | stew: I have not purchased hardware yet. Are there certain brands or chipsets that are known to be rock solid? |
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| 23:28.21 | themill | enouf: I'm happy with that actually. With the occasional misplaced recommends that probably wants a bug filed for it. |
| 23:28.21 | enouf | themill: unfortunately though, as much as there might be a need for the entire update-alternatives system, i don't like it at all - but i'm finally getting a tad used to it |
| 23:28.59 | enouf | (that was an example is all) |
| 23:29.02 | stew | n3kl: i'd ask #wireless about hardware recommendations for running an access point |
| 23:29.10 | sandman | Could anyone recommend a good WYSIWYG web development application? |
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| 23:29.32 | themill | enouf: Ahh.. I really like that. now. (galternatives is a good way of looking at it, btw). I just wish more could be folded into it (gksu/kdesu etc too) |
| 23:29.35 | sandman | Nvu/Kompozer I thought was average, however it's not in the respositories. |
| 23:30.37 | enouf | themill: well, that's partly one of my peeves, i never know what's precisely handled through it, or not, without having to run the command and tab-complete and such |
| 23:31.05 | enouf | themill: plus it's helluva lot to type out ;-) |
| 23:31.12 | themill | agreed |
| 23:31.23 | n3kl | stew: fair enough, thanks |
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| 23:32.31 | enouf | n3kl: i know the fsf has some sort of wifi cards listing, not sure about APs and Routers and such |
| 23:32.49 | enouf | n3kl: http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
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| 23:33.25 | enouf | (you should always get one capable of running linux though ;-) ) |
| 23:34.00 | n3kl | eventually, I would like to be able to setup a wireless access point, have all my lappys connect, then connect to openvpn before they can get their internet connection. |
| 23:34.15 | n3kl | My current dlink dir-625 sucks |
| 23:34.18 | enouf | like check out dd-wrt, openwrt, tomato even |
| 23:36.11 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:36.11 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 23:40.56 | enouf | dpkg: say "you suck, enouf" |
| 23:40.56 | dpkg | "you suck, enouf" |
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| 23:44.14 | hellues | i cannot volume up or down when i open gnome-volume-manager it says no gstreamer plugin found |
| 23:44.20 | hellues | i am a member of audio |
| 23:44.24 | hellues | üwhat can i do ? |
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| 23:45.47 | Jesstes | How to copy/paste in ttys without using gpm? |
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| 23:46.05 | abrotman | setup exim for local delivery |
| 23:46.24 | Haegin | abrotman: any guide you can recommend? |
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| 23:46.34 | spaceracoonlady | how can I install lenny without burning a cd from within an other GNU/Liinux dstributionm but no debian? |
| 23:46.44 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 23:46.44 | dpkg | hmm... debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 23:47.01 | spaceracoonlady | abrotman: thx |
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| 23:48.08 | aboyz | Anyone good with load balancer? I got a cisco CSS load balancer, which support SSL MODULES. So I upload my key/crt to my laod balancer. Then forward all 443 -> 81 -> apache. In httpd.conf I set it to lisetn to port 81. But when i do a https://IP/phpinfo.php . It show its using port 80. But when I login to the server and do a netstat -an | its showing its connecting thur port 81. Why is phpinfo showing me 80. How do i get it to show me 81? anyone know what I'm |
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| 23:50.06 | spaceracoonlady | what will happen to kde3 in testing if kde4 will find its way into testing? |
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| 23:50.31 | poseidon | Is there a way I can get debian with kde and not have to use the internet during the install? |
| 23:50.34 | spaceracoonlady | what will happen to kde3 in testing if kde4 will find its way into testing? |
| 23:50.48 | abrotman | do NOT repeat |
| 23:50.57 | abrotman | lenny will migrate to kde4 |
| 23:51.04 | spaceracoonlady | abrotman: this is irc.freenode.net |
| 23:51.12 | spaceracoonlady | not irc.oftc.net |
| 23:51.15 | spaceracoonlady | so shut up |
| 23:51.25 | abrotman | spaceracoonlady: don't tell me to shut up |
| 23:51.35 | spaceracoonlady | FUCK YOU YOU IDIOT |
| 23:51.36 | abrotman | you just repeated the same questin IN HERE within two minutes |
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| 23:52.03 | poseidon | I downloaded the installation disk here http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde3.html but I guess I need to be able to connect to the internet to download some packages before I can use kde. However I need to install some drivers, and stuff before I can connect to the internet |
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| 23:52.33 | amphi | a highly strung 'space racoon', it would seem |
| 23:53.32 | abrotman | someone had too much peanut butter |
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| 23:56.47 | Shadow_mil | How do I set a kernel modular to load automatically? |
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| 23:57.32 | \amethyst | Shadow_mil: add its name to /etc/modules |
| 23:57.44 | Shadow_mil | \amethyst, thanks |
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