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| 00:00.17 | \amethyst | let x++ |
| 00:00.18 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 00:00.51 | Monkey_arma | ok does anyone else using debian etch have major issues with xorg? i know one other person has. I cant use Ctrl-Alt-F(x) to get to console and it crashes a lot, especially when doing 3D accel. I have intel i810 builtin gfx. It all worked on sarge fine, never crashed. |
| 00:01.08 | Monkey_arma | my xorg.conf is fine i have been told |
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| 00:10.05 | poseidon | when I mount /media/usb0 then go to it I can ls and see it's contents, however if I try cp file.* /path/to/dir/ I can't find it in the directory in which I copied it to |
| 00:11.47 | Marked | Hey guys, Im Currently running Debian on my server and i'd like to authenticate users from a mySQL database instead of /etc/passwd is this possible, Ive been reading up on SQL-PAM but i cant seem to find what im looking for. |
| 00:13.05 | stew | Marked: look at the libpam-mysql or libnss-mysql pacakges |
| 00:13.26 | Marked | Cheers |
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| 00:15.56 | alilket | hey, I've got a weird question.. I was wondering what term would allow me to see colored text when I list the content of directories? |
| 00:16.08 | alilket | and I need to be able to access that term via ssh... |
| 00:16.15 | abrotman | ls --color |
| 00:16.37 | alilket | =) |
| 00:16.47 | alilket | love. |
| 00:16.49 | alilket | =) |
| 00:17.05 | ma3x | what package in debian installs software that has nice UI for connecting and transfering files via bluetooth for cell phones? |
| 00:17.21 | nevyn | konqueror ;) |
| 00:17.24 | jetscreamer | and man .profile |
| 00:17.28 | jetscreamer | or edit it rather |
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| 00:17.46 | nevyn | ma3x: seriously kobex:/ in konqueror |
| 00:18.26 | stew | alilket: you should have an alias for ls --color=auto in your .bashrc that you can uncomment |
| 00:18.30 | alilket | yep, i just set that |
| 00:18.40 | alilket | oh wait, it's already there for me uncomment? |
| 00:18.42 | jetscreamer | duh .bashrc not .profile |
| 00:19.06 | alilket | ah, it is, i just added the little alias line without looking |
| 00:19.07 | alilket | cool |
| 00:19.08 | ma3x | nevyn: protocol not supported it says |
| 00:19.08 | stew | alilket: you might also want "alias grep='grep --color=auto'" |
| 00:19.23 | alilket | neat, yes, i would |
| 00:20.15 | themill | and if you can't type, alias ks='ls' (etc) |
| 00:20.42 | nevyn | ma3x: do you have kdebluetooth installed? |
| 00:20.44 | alilket | THANKS =) |
| 00:20.47 | alilket | thanks, rather |
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| 00:21.28 | meero | is it possible to create a link to a socket..? |
| 00:21.35 | meero | a symlink or something like that |
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| 00:22.27 | stew | meero: sure, ln -s /path/to/socket /path/to/symlink |
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| 00:23.49 | ummmm | hi |
| 00:24.45 | ma3x | nevyn: yes i have it installed but it doesnt find anythhing |
| 00:24.47 | ummmm | i need to install libwxgtk2.8-0 to install codeblocks |
| 00:24.58 | ummmm | but there isn't package for this library |
| 00:24.58 | abrotman | hahaha |
| 00:25.23 | meero | stew: eh, thank you. that's the way i did it, just figured out that i had a typo in my config, that was the cause why it didn't want to work :> |
| 00:25.28 | ummmm | how should i install libwxgtk2.8-0? |
| 00:25.57 | jetscreamer | !find libwxgtk2.8 |
| 00:26.10 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libwxgtk2.8' returned no results. |
| 00:26.12 | azeem | ummmm: which version of Debian? |
| 00:26.22 | ummmm | azeem 4.0r2 |
| 00:26.44 | azeem | ummmm: no luck then |
| 00:26.46 | azeem | sorry |
| 00:26.48 | ummmm | :( |
| 00:26.58 | ummmm | which version of debian should i use? :) |
| 00:27.07 | azeem | maybe it'll be included in the next version of Debian which will be out later this year |
| 00:27.15 | azeem | ummmm: it's not included in any version currently |
| 00:27.17 | ummmm | hmm |
| 00:27.31 | ummmm | azeem is there a package for codeblocks ? in 4.0r2 |
| 00:27.38 | azeem | 02:24 < azeem> ummmm: it's not included in any version currently |
| 00:27.46 | ummmm | ah |
| 00:27.52 | ummmm | i thought it was for libwxgtk2.8 |
| 00:28.01 | azeem | it? |
| 00:28.07 | ummmm | that sentence :) |
| 00:28.17 | nevyn | ma3x: define doesn't find anything. |
| 00:28.39 | azeem | ummmm: "that sentence was for libwxgtk2.8"? |
| 00:28.40 | extor | In case anyone cares, I found the GUI answer to my problem in PyPar2 which has a .deb package too, http://pypar2.silent-blade.org |
| 00:28.43 | ma3x | nevyn: what should happen? i activate BT onmy phone and in dmesg i see hci_cmd_task: hci0 command tx timeout |
| 00:28.50 | ummmm | azeem yes :) |
| 00:28.59 | azeem | ummmm: oh, ok |
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| 00:29.12 | jetscreamer | !info libwxgtk2.8-0 experimental |
| 00:29.13 | nevyn | is this on topic for here? |
| 00:29.15 | jetscreamer | it's there |
| 00:29.16 | azeem | ummmm: well, yeah, there's no libwxgtk2.8 in any version of Debian, and thus no codeblocks either |
| 00:29.20 | ummmm | azeem i'm looking an editor for c++ programming to find type definitions easily |
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| 00:29.27 | abrotman | jetscreamer: not much help in this case i'd guess |
| 00:29.29 | ummmm | do you advice any editor to do this? |
| 00:29.40 | abrotman | a GUI editor ? |
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| 00:29.42 | azeem | ummmm: try eclipse |
| 00:29.46 | dpkg | libwxgtk2.8-0: (wxWidgets Cross-platform C++ GUI toolkit (GTK+ runtime)), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.8.7.1-0.1 (experimental), Packaged size: 3462 kB, Installed size: 9564 kB |
| 00:29.47 | abrotman | anjuta? |
| 00:29.47 | jetscreamer | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=+libwxgtk2&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 00:29.55 | jetscreamer | you could install the package maybe |
| 00:30.00 | azeem | anjuta in 4.0 isn't so great I think |
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| 00:30.08 | jetscreamer | you get to keep both pieces when you break your debian though |
| 00:30.09 | ummmm | abrotman is there an editor for console to find type definitions? |
| 00:30.20 | nevyn | ma3x: so you generally make your phone discoverable then scan from the pc using the kdebluetooth stuff then pair the devices. |
| 00:30.28 | abrotman | i imagine vi/emacs have such things ? |
| 00:30.32 | ummmm | hm |
| 00:30.37 | nevyn | then you should be able to use kdeobex to browse files etc. |
| 00:30.47 | ummmm | i use vim but i don't know how should i find type definitions |
| 00:30.53 | stew | etags |
| 00:31.04 | nevyn | ctags ? |
| 00:31.08 | stew | (i think vim can also use etags, if not, then someother _tags) |
| 00:31.12 | nevyn | or is that deprecated now? |
| 00:31.44 | ma3x | nevyn: i can't discover it |
| 00:31.47 | ummmm | i'll check them all :) thank you |
| 00:31.51 | nevyn | ummmm: have you tried kdevelop? |
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| 00:32.13 | ummmm | nevyn i had tried for about 2 years ago |
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| 00:32.22 | nevyn | ummmm: but its more a crazy full on ide thing in the mode of visual C++ |
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| 00:32.45 | ummmm | ok i'll look that too.. |
| 00:33.04 | ma3x | is there a guide for bluetooth and kde? |
| 00:33.12 | poseidon | Is there a way i can get a installation of debian with the kde desktop installed? |
| 00:33.19 | nevyn | ma3x: step back a secon |
| 00:33.27 | abrotman | poseidon: aptitude install kde kdm xorg |
| 00:33.27 | nevyn | check that hciscan sees the device. |
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| 00:33.44 | adamb | Anyone know off hand what the / on the hour of cron would do? if I had "* 10-22/3 * * *" would that run every 3 hours, or hours divisiable by 3? |
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| 00:33.55 | nevyn | every 3 hrs |
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| 00:34.06 | adamb | so, 10,13,16,19,22 right? |
| 00:34.07 | nevyn | it's a "step" which is in the manpage. |
| 00:34.12 | poseidon | abrotman, I can't get an internet connection, I have to install a driver to get an internet connection, which I can't do becuase I don't have an internet connection. |
| 00:34.15 | nevyn | man 5 cron |
| 00:34.23 | ma3x | nevyn: i do hcitool scan and it says http://www.fileporn.org/download.php/22523/Just.Over.18.3.XXX.DVDRiP.XviD-DivXfacTory.torrent |
| 00:34.24 | abrotman | poseidon: you don't have another system or OS ? |
| 00:34.29 | dondelelcaro | man 5 crontab; is probably more useful, actually |
| 00:34.35 | abrotman | ma3x: wrong paste i think ? |
| 00:34.37 | adamb | nevyn: I did, it gives me an example of 2, which could be every 2 hours or hours divisble by 2, heh |
| 00:34.38 | ma3x | Device is not available: No such device |
| 00:34.42 | ma3x | hah yeah |
| 00:34.44 | jetscreamer | LOL |
| 00:34.56 | poseidon | abrotman, yes I have xp. (I'm on it now) |
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| 00:35.10 | jetscreamer | !laugh |
| 00:35.10 | dpkg | rolls around on the floor laughing |
| 00:35.17 | jetscreamer | does too |
| 00:35.25 | abrotman | poseidon: so use it to get the bits you need to get your driver .. worry about your driver before kde .. kde without network doesn't make the lack of network any better |
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| 00:35.42 | jetscreamer | how do we add that as a qotd |
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| 00:35.59 | nevyn | don't do that... |
| 00:36.06 | nevyn | it'll match on my nick! |
| 00:36.28 | poseidon | abrotman, but I don't have to do everything by command line :) Anyways, how do you suppose I build and install a driver without a internet connection? Does debian come with gcc? |
| 00:36.30 | abrotman | jetscreamer: /msg dpkg qotd213 |
| 00:36.37 | abrotman | nevyn: do you want me to obscure your nick? |
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| 00:36.55 | nevyn | would be appriciated ;) |
| 00:36.56 | abrotman | poseidon: kde isn't going to make installing your NIC driver any easier |
| 00:37.03 | jetscreamer | ma3x is now immortalized :) |
| 00:37.20 | abrotman | nevyn: it's set to nevyX |
| 00:37.22 | ma3x | king kong hits his chest |
| 00:37.58 | ma3x | lol where did that link come from? |
| 00:38.13 | ma3x | annoying popups |
| 00:38.19 | poseidon | Does debian come with kde from a defualt instilation? |
| 00:38.28 | jetscreamer | yes it has gcc |
| 00:38.30 | poseidon | I meant gcc not kde |
| 00:38.33 | intheboat | which is the best way in gnome to acces or manage bluethooth dive |
| 00:38.40 | jetscreamer | you can get most of kde off the cd, not all |
| 00:38.46 | abrotman | poseidon: kde isn't going to help .. |
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| 00:38.48 | jetscreamer | or at least a big chunk |
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| 00:39.21 | poseidon | abrotman, I meant to say gcc :) I'm trying to build my driver, but I got an error when runing make, however I can't remember what it was |
| 00:39.26 | abrotman | poseidon: there is a CD1 with kde and gcc .. but it would be a million times easier if you'd fix your NIC first |
| 00:40.32 | ma3x | nevyn: what about that hcitool scan? why won't it find the phone? |
| 00:40.56 | jetscreamer | too much pron in the way... |
| 00:41.00 | nevyn | ma3x: that's a good question and one you should attempt to answer prior to getting any higer level functionality working |
| 00:41.06 | poseidon | abrotman, I need gcc to build the driver for my NIC ;) Anyways I think I'm going to use about 60 feet of extensions cords to take my desktop up to my attic so I can make a wired connection to my reutor. |
| 00:41.17 | abrotman | poseidon: what is your NIC? |
| 00:41.26 | ma3x | nevyn: Device is not available: No such device |
| 00:42.01 | poseidon | abrotman, it's a linksys wusb54gc usb adapter |
| 00:42.13 | nevyn | ma3x: are you doing this as root? |
| 00:42.20 | abrotman | poseidon: you didn't mention it was wifi only |
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| 00:42.30 | ma3x | nevyn: root or not , it says that |
| 00:42.32 | abrotman | poseidon: i thought you meant your wired didn't even work |
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| 00:42.53 | poseidon | abrotman, no. just my wirless. I really don't have a wired connection |
| 00:43.00 | abrotman | poseidon: you do now? :) |
| 00:43.25 | abrotman | poseidon: it'll be pretty easy if you use the cable for a few hours .. get your wifi working, etc |
| 00:43.27 | poseidon | I will after a few extension cords. Wired connections are pretty easy right? (I've never used one |
| 00:43.36 | abrotman | plugin ? |
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| 00:43.57 | nevyn | extension cords? |
| 00:43.59 | poseidon | abrotman, I'm going to use a wire to plug directly into the reutor (I've never done that before) |
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| 00:44.13 | poseidon | My reutor is up in my attic, and I have a desktop :) |
| 00:44.20 | jetscreamer | he needs electricity closer to his router |
| 00:44.24 | abrotman | take the desktop upstairs! |
| 00:44.26 | k-man | how can i tell what speed my ethernet port is connected at? |
| 00:44.29 | jetscreamer | so he can take it upstairs |
| 00:44.35 | abrotman | k-man: ethtool or mii-tool |
| 00:44.59 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: what would be the chances of getting CDs for contrib/non-free so people could download all that stuff in a shot to make things easier? |
| 00:45.07 | poseidon | abrotman, I only have a room above the garage, and the ruetor is on the other side of the house (in the attic with no sockets) |
| 00:45.19 | k-man | abrotman, mii-diag maybe? |
| 00:45.22 | abrotman | poseidon: your wife is mean .. tell her to let you inside! |
| 00:45.46 | poseidon | abrotman, rofl, I tell that to her every night ;) |
| 00:45.51 | Wyzard | k-man: mii-diag works too, but it doesn't know what gigabit Ethernet is, and reports it as 100mbit |
| 00:46.11 | Wyzard | poseidon: Why is your router in the attic? |
| 00:46.11 | poseidon | abrotman, how do I configure a wired connection? would that be eth0? |
| 00:46.17 | abrotman | guesses that's a never on the CDs :) |
| 00:46.30 | poseidon | wyzard, thats where my modem is, which is where my cable is |
| 00:46.31 | abrotman | poseidon: once it's plugged in .. just try to get a dhcp address |
| 00:46.52 | poseidon | abrotman, dhclient *what? |
| 00:47.02 | ma3x | nevyn: as rootDevice is not available: No such device |
| 00:47.15 | abrotman | poseidon: eth0 or eth1 most likely |
| 00:47.21 | Wyzard | poseidon: I'd extend that cable in order to put the modem and router in a more convenient place |
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| 00:47.39 | poseidon | Wyzard, don't be rediculous :D |
| 00:47.51 | jetscreamer | ridiculous |
| 00:47.55 | jetscreamer | ridicule |
| 00:48.13 | poseidon | jetscreamer, Just thought about that. It's funny how most people pronounce it wrong though |
| 00:48.15 | k-man | is mii-tool in debian? |
| 00:48.19 | Wyzard | poseidon: Or at least put an Ethernet switch in a more convenient place and run a cable to that |
| 00:48.25 | nevyn | k-man: yep |
| 00:48.38 | k-man | nevyn, yean, thanks, found it |
| 00:48.47 | Wyzard | finds it useful to have a 1000-foot spool of cat5e in the closet for when a need arises |
| 00:49.01 | poseidon | Well, I'm going to go try it now. bbs (hopefully) |
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| 00:49.50 | Kurt2x | do you guys know of any good guides for making debian kernel module packages from source code? |
| 00:49.57 | enouf | she's dead again jim? |
| 00:50.03 | enouf | yep |
| 00:50.06 | abrotman | Kurt2x: m-a ? |
| 00:50.08 | Kurt2x | orly |
| 00:50.23 | jetscreamer | i don't know how much more she can take captain! |
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| 00:50.33 | Kurt2x | negative m-a won't do it, there is no debian package for the rt2860 ralink drivers |
| 00:50.39 | Kurt2x | ralink provides source code |
| 00:50.49 | Kurt2x | which I could compile but I'd rather like to turn it into a deb package |
| 00:50.51 | mentor | Is it just me, or is USAian pronunciation designed to make words as difficult to say efficiently as possible? |
| 00:50.52 | mentor | hmm |
| 00:50.54 | Kurt2x | kpkg? |
| 00:50.56 | mentor | off topic, sorry |
| 00:51.23 | jetscreamer | mentor: it's also designed to fuck your thinking |
| 00:51.50 | mentor | Contains subliminal messages? |
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| 00:52.09 | Kurt2x | abrotman: can kpkg do it? |
| 00:52.47 | abrotman | Kurt2x: there is drivers for those i thought |
| 00:53.30 | Kurt2x | I dunno where they be if there are.... all I know if is the source code provided by ralink which is rather raw |
| 00:53.41 | Kurt2x | if=of |
| 00:54.06 | abrotman | where's the source you want to compile ? |
| 00:54.40 | Kurt2x | http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/2008_0325_RT2860_Linux_STA_v1.6.1.0.tar.bz2 |
| 00:55.04 | Kurt2x | I'd like to turn that into a debian package |
| 00:55.44 | abrotman | what a freaking pain in the ass |
| 00:56.21 | nevyn | isn't that all moduleassist ised already. |
| 00:56.39 | Kurt2x | I don't think it is |
| 00:56.48 | nevyn | mentor: or just make you sound dumber than you are |
| 00:56.58 | nevyn | take aluminium |
| 00:57.30 | abrotman | nevyn: not yet |
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| 00:57.47 | nevyn | abrotman: man you know you want that early onset alzimers. |
| 00:58.11 | abrotman | nevyn: why would you spell aluminum like that ? |
| 00:58.25 | Kurt2x | how tough do you think it would be to make a debian package out of that? |
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| 00:58.39 | jetscreamer | ah loooo minuminum |
| 00:58.43 | Kurt2x | alumanium? that's how the brits pronounce it |
| 00:58.45 | jetscreamer | sgt schultz |
| 00:58.50 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:58.52 | Kurt2x | aloo man eee um |
| 00:59.28 | dvs | I thought it was "a loo min ee um" |
| 00:59.48 | Kurt2x | I just go "a loo min um" |
| 00:59.56 | abrotman | mentor: see what you started :) |
| 00:59.59 | dvs | Kurt2x: same here |
| 01:00.14 | nevyn | abrotman: I'm happy. |
| 01:00.30 | abrotman | nevyn: with my failing brain, or the english pronunciation discussion? :) |
| 01:00.36 | nevyn | both ;) |
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| 01:02.39 | brick_redux | hi all; please remind me which program runs the installer, so i can put debian on a new disk from within a running one? |
| 01:02.58 | brick_redux | s/running one/running installation/ |
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| 01:03.06 | dvs | tasksel? |
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| 01:03.23 | Wyzard | brick_redux: I don't think the Debian installer is available in an installed system |
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| 01:03.42 | brick_redux | Wyzard, i am pretty sure it's possible (for some definition of possible ;) ) |
| 01:03.51 | Wyzard | brick_redux: There's a "debian-installer" package (in sid at least) but the description says "This package currently only contains some documentation for the Debian installer. We welcome suggestions about what else to put in it." |
| 01:03.59 | Wyzard | suggests putting the installer in it... |
| 01:04.34 | Wyzard | brick_redux: It's possible to install a new Debian from an existing Debian using debootstrap, but that's more tedious |
| 01:05.03 | abrotman | debootstrap ? |
| 01:05.06 | Wyzard | brick_redux: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
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| 01:05.53 | Kurt2x | so where can I learn how to make a 3rd party source package into a module-assistant package? |
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| 01:06.21 | brick_redux | thanks for the link, Wyzard ! |
| 01:06.24 | Wyzard | Kurt2x: I'd suggest looking at existing foo-source packages and using one as a starting point |
| 01:06.30 | brick_redux | your suggestion is sound :) |
| 01:06.57 | Kurt2x | ok |
| 01:07.05 | Kurt2x | I guess there is no guide then |
| 01:07.33 | Wyzard | I have no idea whether there's a guide |
| 01:08.00 | Wyzard | The module-assistant documentation itself might have the info you're looking for |
| 01:08.12 | jetscreamer | !modules |
| 01:08.12 | dpkg | well, modules is a driver for a device (a part of a kernel) which can be dynamically loaded/unloaded.;; the Kernel's Secret Blend of Herbs and Spices, or to compile a module that doesn't come in the kernel, look into module-assistant |
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| 01:08.39 | Wyzard | Kurt2x: ...indeed, take a look at /usr/share/doc/module-assistant/HOWTO-DEVEL.gz |
| 01:09.13 | Kurt2x | ok |
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| 01:11.00 | jetscreamer | zless |
| 01:11.10 | Kurt2x | yep, I'm reading it right now |
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| 01:14.27 | black_13 | how do i install the kqemu module |
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| 01:16.24 | k-man | when i run mii-tool, it says SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth0' failed: Operation not supported, no MII interfaces found |
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| 01:17.45 | \amethyst | k-man: try ethtool instead |
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| 01:18.06 | k-man | \amethyst, yeah, just negotiating the ethtool man page |
| 01:18.44 | \amethyst | k-man: one of my cards does MII, the other is too new and I have to use ethtool |
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| 01:20.03 | k-man | thanks \amethyst |
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| 01:29.11 | kshah | hi, I added backports.org to my sources.list but I don't know how to force apt-get install to find the backports version of ruby (1.8.6) as opposed to 1.8.5 |
| 01:29.16 | kshah | any help would be appreciated |
| 01:29.45 | enouf | you can pass apt-get specific version |
| 01:30.03 | enouf | do /msg dpkg apt howto |
| 01:30.11 | kshah | thanks will do |
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| 01:33.15 | MolePrince | My dmesg log keeps flooding with CTS protection enabled/disabled messages. What is this about please? |
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| 01:36.18 | gab12 | hi, i get an error while trying to run this script http://pastebin.com/m7b5eed21, is there any reason why this wouldnt run on debian? |
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| 01:37.11 | abrotman | what's the error ? |
| 01:37.26 | dondelelcaro | gab12: why are you running that script? |
| 01:38.18 | gab12 | i'm running the script as .bashrc to build KDE, the error is line 8 command not found... |
| 01:38.47 | dondelelcaro | gab12: uh... you don't run it from .bashrc, and you also shouldn't need to build kde. Just install it. |
| 01:39.12 | gab12 | kde4? |
| 01:40.10 | abrotman | you build it every time you login ? |
| 01:40.20 | dondelelcaro | if you want to build kde4, using that script is entirely the wrong way to go about it. |
| 01:40.29 | dondelelcaro | gab12: start with the Debian packages as a base, and build kde4 using that. |
| 01:40.40 | dondelelcaro | gab12: bonus points if you join the kde team and help kde4 make it into experimental or similar. |
| 01:40.42 | gab12 | no, i'm building it as a separate user, at least it says so on the techbase guide |
| 01:40.55 | dondelelcaro | gab12: the techbase guide is almost certainly totally useless and wrong |
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| 01:41.39 | dondelelcaro | (and having that script as a .bashrc is all kinds of insane) |
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| 01:42.16 | gab12 | it's what i'm doing, i ginstalled tthe base sytem and worked from there, but I need the bash functions in that script |
| 01:42.43 | dondelelcaro | why? just set the env variables appropriately in your .bashrc to do whatever you want with kde4 after you've built it, and you're done. |
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| 01:43.08 | dondelelcaro | the stupid prepend function on line 8 is kind of silly |
| 01:43.55 | gab12 | I know, i think that's the problem exactly, but ... |
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| 01:46.49 | MolePrince | My dmesg log keeps flooding with CTS protection enabled/disabled messages and printk messages about suppressed lines to my screen. What is this about please and how can I gag it? |
| 01:47.01 | dondelelcaro | !printk |
| 01:47.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, printk console is see docs for sysctl and set kernel.printk to 3 4 1 7 or so. You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. If you want to know what those numbers mean, see the file Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in your kernel sources. |
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| 01:49.29 | epsilon | which script is actually starting dhclient3? Can't find anything in entire /etc |
| 01:50.03 | \amethyst | epsilon: do you have 'dhcp' in your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:50.59 | epsilon | in one conf, yes (I have 2 different switching between) |
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| 01:51.13 | \amethyst | epsilon: then ifup is starting dhclient3 probably |
| 01:52.03 | epsilon | bingo. thx :) |
| 01:52.34 | epsilon | I had to run ifdown with the interfaces file with dhcp in it |
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| 01:59.55 | enouf | \amethyst: do you mean the /etc/init.d/ifupdown script? |
| 02:00.39 | \amethyst | enouf: no, I mean the /sbin/ifup binary it calls |
| 02:01.54 | Tramp | strings /sbin/ifup - there you will see the stuff hardwired |
| 02:01.56 | enouf | \amethyst: and which script is most to blame? /ifupdown? or /networking? or none |
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| 02:02.06 | enouf | s/blame/cause |
| 02:02.18 | Ryan52 | Anybody know if xen works under virtualbox? |
| 02:02.28 | \amethyst | enouf: for dhclient being started? not a script, but the fact that /etc/network/interfaces has a 'dhcp' entry |
| 02:03.05 | enouf | \amethyst: ok, thanks - except on my system, it's still dhcpcd{-bin} |
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| 02:03.43 | \amethyst | enouf: well, I guess also /etc/init.d/networking for bringing the network up by calling ifup -a |
| 02:03.52 | epsilon | I run lenny BTW |
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| 02:04.05 | \amethyst | enouf: ifup has a list of programs that it tries |
| 02:04.28 | enouf | \amethyst: thanks again |
| 02:04.38 | \amethyst | enouf: if you do strings /sbin/ifup you can see them |
| 02:05.19 | \amethyst | dhclient3, dhclient, pump, udhcpc, and dhcpcd |
| 02:05.44 | enouf | \amethyst: yes, ~$ strings `which ifup` | less is quite informative ;-) |
| 02:05.46 | \amethyst | enouf: it's running dhcpcd on your system because you don't have any of the preceding programs |
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| 02:06.12 | \amethyst | this is mentioned in the first sentence of section 'The dhcp Method' in interfaces(5) |
| 02:06.17 | enouf | \amethyst: thanks, i've learned a bit more now |
| 02:07.02 | x1250 | Is there anyway to run the same program through multiple different machines? for example have pidgin running in my laptop, and the same pidgin running in my desktop. Not different programs, but the same process, shared over the network |
| 02:07.05 | x1250 | is this possible? |
| 02:07.43 | enouf | forking is nasty :-P |
| 02:08.06 | dondelelcaro | x1250: with xmove, you can do it displaying on one machine at a time |
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| 02:09.48 | enouf | how about xnest? applicable? |
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| 02:10.55 | n3kl | To X or not to X? |
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| 02:14.14 | asg | n3kl: you could ... |
| 02:14.16 | asg | !be ed |
| 02:14.16 | dpkg | ? |
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| 02:15.28 | arquebus | does the latest dev release of debian have a net install? |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 02:15.51 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 02:15.55 | ArtVandalae | arquebus, dev release? as is testing? |
| 02:16.09 | ArtVandalae | see what abrotman said |
| 02:16.24 | arquebus | um, I dont know, like the sid release |
| 02:16.26 | abrotman | i didn't say it |
| 02:16.29 | abrotman | arquebus: no .. |
| 02:16.35 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:16.35 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 02:17.00 | arquebus | thanks for that info dpkg |
| 02:17.00 | dpkg | arquebus: sure thing |
| 02:17.30 | \amethyst | arquebus: sid isn't a release; the usual ways to install sid are either to install testing and switch over to sid, or to debootstrap it from a running machine |
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| 02:19.00 | \amethyst | dpkg, install sid is also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#head-9a74629e258ebe2b65c2e4285ad6b28835082d94 |
| 02:19.00 | dpkg | okay, \amethyst |
| 02:19.07 | arquebus | ok, well the thing is is that I have a 8800gtx card and I need the latest release that has the drivers for it |
| 02:22.01 | arquebus | !testing |
| 02:22.01 | dpkg | [testing] a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages |
| 02:22.29 | abrotman | \amethyst: uh |
| 02:22.37 | abrotman | \amethyst: i'm canning that |
| 02:22.47 | \amethyst | abrotman: yeah, I just realized that link will probably be invalid tomorrow |
| 02:23.09 | abrotman | and a really bad idea for people that can use a bot but not debian ? |
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| 02:23.41 | asg | !spoonfeed abrotman |
| 02:23.41 | dpkg | Silly abrotman, Unix tricks are for bots. |
| 02:23.47 | mxi | hi, is there way to recreate and ext3 without losing data? |
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| 02:24.05 | asg | mxi: backup, recreate, restore |
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| 02:26.19 | \amethyst | bah, running unstable helps you learn the package management system faster, since you need to know it to survive. I say keep backups and run sid if you want, but be prepared reinstall something more reasonable if you get in over your head. |
| 02:26.32 | \amethyst | s/reinstall/to install/ |
| 02:26.32 | Samonoske | anyone have any opinions on webmin |
| 02:26.39 | Samonoske | and any alternatives |
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| 02:27.00 | abrotman | \amethyst: if you're smart enough to keep backups :) |
| 02:27.01 | \amethyst | Samonoske: dpkg has some rather strong opinions on webmin :) |
| 02:27.06 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 02:27.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 02:27.39 | Samonoske | abrotman \amethyst thanks for the info |
| 02:27.46 | Samonoske | you guys know of any alternatives? |
| 02:27.57 | abrotman | vi |
| 02:28.01 | \amethyst | what kind of stuff do you want to administer? |
| 02:28.35 | Samonoske | basically i need something that's small easy to install and remove..for my clients on my webserver |
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| 02:28.51 | \amethyst | what does it need to *do* though? |
| 02:28.55 | Samonoske | which allows them to upload files..login....site editor..what not |
| 02:29.01 | Samonoske | ftp |
| 02:29.12 | Samonoske | add their own domains |
| 02:29.17 | Samonoske | check mail |
| 02:30.06 | \amethyst | Samonoske: maybe dtc for the administration, something like imp4 or squirrelmail to read mail |
| 02:30.23 | \amethyst | dtc isn't in etch, though |
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| 02:32.08 | Samonoske | \amethyst i need some type of panel that's rolled into one |
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| 02:34.50 | simcop2387-lap | ubernoob: hello |
| 02:35.25 | asg | \amethyst: or run stable and use sid in a chroot |
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| 02:36.36 | \amethyst | Samonoske: the only free control panels I'm aware of are webmin, ISPConfig (not in debian), and dtc |
| 02:37.07 | \amethyst | I've dealt with ISPConfig a very small bit, but not enough that I'd be able to recommend or disrecommend it |
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| 02:37.20 | Samonoske | \amethyst what about paid? |
| 02:37.56 | \amethyst | Samonoske: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_panel_%28Web_hosting%29 |
| 02:38.13 | \amethyst | Samonoske: there are a few free ones listed there that I wasn't aware of, too |
| 02:38.52 | Samonoske | \amethyst thaks for your help up to this point. |
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| 02:41.57 | doki_pen | how do I install debian from a working system? |
| 02:42.17 | doki_pen | without a cdrom, like a chroot install |
| 02:42.31 | abrotman | !deboostrap |
| 02:42.36 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 02:42.36 | dpkg | methinks debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 02:43.06 | doki_pen | abrotman: I see that it's an rpm, my system is not redhat |
| 02:43.19 | abrotman | rpm ? |
| 02:43.19 | doki_pen | ok, I'll try compiling |
| 02:43.31 | doki_pen | nevermind, the site I was on had an rpm of it |
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| 02:49.05 | Samonoske | \amethyst thanks for your help..ispconfig looks good..going to research it some more though. |
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| 02:49.59 | ubernoob | i need help |
| 02:50.15 | ubernoob | is there a way to reinstall debian from inside debian |
| 02:50.31 | abrotman | why? |
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| 02:50.41 | ubernoob | cuz for some reason there is an admin password i didnt put in and cannot change |
| 02:50.43 | simcop2387 | he either set his root password wrong or doesn't remember it and can't fix it |
| 02:50.54 | simcop2387 | o |
| 02:50.58 | abrotman | you're in his brain? |
| 02:51.00 | abrotman | !ifrp |
| 02:51.00 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. etch, sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 02:51.51 | ubernoob | ok......a less complicated way?? |
| 02:51.52 | doki_pen | hmm.. what about install debian from a broken system? |
| 02:51.53 | ubernoob | lol |
| 02:51.54 | simcop2387 | abrotman: thanks, i've been trying to help him, (old roommate), he managed to get debian on there without a cdrom, or floppy to boot off of, and got himself into that mess |
| 02:51.56 | doki_pen | with network |
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| 02:52.07 | asg | ubernoob: it's only a few steps |
| 02:52.14 | doki_pen | I don't have build tools |
| 02:52.14 | abrotman | ubernoob: that is non-complicated .. complicated would be you figuring that out yourself :) |
| 02:52.26 | doki_pen | I do have wget, links, etc. |
| 02:52.41 | abrotman | doki_pen: didn't we already help you? |
| 02:52.52 | doki_pen | abrotman: yes, I can't build it though |
| 02:52.55 | ubernoob | im downloading the iso of mandriva right now is it worth switchin? |
| 02:53.01 | abrotman | doki_pen: there is the hd-media |
| 02:53.19 | abrotman | ubernoob: you're in #debian .. we don't like mandriva .. only you can decide |
| 02:53.20 | asg | ubernoob: no, why would it be? |
| 02:53.30 | abrotman | wasn't even aware mandriva still existed |
| 02:53.44 | abrotman | guess they haven't eaten any CD drives lately :) |
| 02:53.45 | ubernoob | that bad huh? |
| 02:53.48 | asg | abrotman: the kids like it |
| 02:54.02 | abrotman | asg: the french kids? |
| 02:54.33 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 02:54.34 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Piraat for asg |
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| 02:54.50 | asg | abrotman: danke |
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| 02:57.24 | Gm4n | hrm, all I know about mandriva is that it came on my eee-pc |
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| 02:57.42 | abrotman | i thought they came with some debian derivative ? |
| 02:57.53 | asg | abrotman: xandros |
| 02:57.54 | Gm4n | mandriva is a debian derivative |
| 02:58.01 | Gm4n | ooh, oopsies |
| 02:58.03 | Gm4n | is fired. |
| 02:58.09 | asg | Gm4n: it was a RH derivative |
| 02:58.11 | maxamillion | Gm4n: no .... no no its not |
| 02:58.28 | abrotman | Gm4n: it's not even close |
| 02:58.31 | icesword | asg, xandros, eeepc? |
| 02:58.36 | abrotman | nothing that horrible could be related to debian |
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| 02:58.48 | samuel | sup all |
| 02:59.07 | samuel | anyone know here if there is something like nullmailer with ssl support? |
| 02:59.16 | samuel | ie - starttls? |
| 02:59.27 | abrotman | !smtp server |
| 02:59.30 | abrotman | hrm |
| 02:59.44 | abrotman | samuel: see what provides mail-transport-agent .. and see which work with TLS |
| 03:00.04 | asg | samuel: ssmtp may have such things. Otherwise, you'll need a real MTA or a stunnel to your smarthost. |
| 03:00.15 | samuel | abrotman: oh okok, thanks, i didnt think of checking that way, thanks |
| 03:00.28 | samuel | asg: thanks ill look @ ssmtp |
| 03:03.13 | hatter | how can i see that the mbr is actually on the disk ? |
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| 03:06.38 | doki_pen | where the hell can I find hte hd-media/initrd.gz? |
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| 03:07.07 | gene2 | can anyone tell me how i can force my speedstep capable cpu to alwas run at full speed, I have powernowd running and I cannot figure out how to force it |
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| 03:07.27 | pinto3 | try 'locate hd-media/initrd.gz'? |
| 03:07.48 | doki_pen | lmao |
| 03:07.57 | doki_pen | I don't have the internet mounted |
| 03:08.07 | asg | hatter: dd if=/dev/<disk> bs=512 count=1 | strings (will usually tell you if LILO or GRUB is installed in the mbr) |
| 03:08.18 | doki_pen | I think me find |
| 03:08.27 | hatter | asg, thx |
| 03:08.34 | doki_pen | also, can someone once and for all explain debian versioning to me? |
| 03:08.39 | pinto3 | better grab your elephant gun and a good taxedermist |
| 03:08.56 | doki_pen | what is the difference between woody/lenny/testing etc.? |
| 03:09.04 | doki_pen | I want testing |
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| 03:09.20 | Tramp | !releases |
| 03:09.20 | dpkg | releases is, like, See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 03:10.06 | doki_pen | so unstable is always sid? |
| 03:10.12 | asg | doki_pen: yes |
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| 03:10.17 | asg | doki_pen: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 03:10.18 | doki_pen | I wish ppl would just say uunstable/testing/stable |
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| 03:10.31 | Kumaran | I ping a xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx ip, then at which port it will check the connection? |
| 03:10.34 | doki_pen | it confuses my inferior mind |
| 03:10.51 | samuel | please forgive me if this is a silly question, how do you search for packages that provide such-and-such? |
| 03:11.04 | Tramp | Kumaran: icmp doesn't use "ports" it's a protocol of its own |
| 03:11.07 | samuel | rdepends needs the package name |
| 03:11.47 | hatter | samuel, apt-cache search linux-image* if you have an idea of the package name |
| 03:11.59 | Tramp | !tell samuel about search |
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| 03:12.06 | doki_pen | bah! damn mime types |
| 03:12.51 | Tramp | samuel: ah, provides. Sorry, didn't read your question well enough |
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| 03:13.06 | samuel | :) |
| 03:13.40 | doki_pen | do are /dist/lenny and /dist/testing identical? |
| 03:13.45 | doki_pen | s/do/so/ |
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| 03:13.50 | samuel | i mean you can get it with apt-cache search, but it just seems like something there should be a command for |
| 03:13.51 | asg | gene2: you could just stop powernowd |
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| 03:14.03 | asg | doki_pen: at this moment, yes. |
| 03:14.13 | asg | doki_pen: months from now, maybe not. |
| 03:14.19 | Kumaran | how to check whether a particular port is open or not at the remote system? |
| 03:14.32 | huhlig | is there anyway to recover from xserver-xorg configure |
| 03:14.33 | asg | Kumaran: telnet <remote system> port |
| 03:14.47 | Kumaran | thanks, :) |
| 03:14.48 | asg | Kumaran: if it's a udp port, nmap or netcat is your friend |
| 03:15.01 | Kumaran | thanks |
| 03:15.02 | huhlig | it starts configuring on a dell 1525, resets the screen and then stops responding |
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| 03:15.38 | huhlig | power button will trigger shutdown after some time however |
| 03:16.58 | asg | samuel: aptitude can probably do that (though I don't know how offhand) |
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| 03:18.08 | doki_pen | alright.. phoo |
| 03:18.27 | karllenz | ok im installing debian on a wat seems really old pc i want to try and use it as a server is this a bad idea? |
| 03:18.49 | doki_pen | karllenz: sounds like a great idea |
| 03:18.51 | huhlig | anyone? |
| 03:19.02 | karllenz | im still rather new to linux |
| 03:19.16 | doki_pen | karllenz: I often wrestle with this |
| 03:19.27 | doki_pen | it's nice to get some good use out of some old, crappy hardware |
| 03:19.40 | karllenz | yea thats basically wat im trying to do |
| 03:19.41 | doki_pen | but on the other hand, they are bad for the ecology |
| 03:19.51 | karllenz | set it up and then forget about it u know |
| 03:20.02 | doki_pen | yeah, I have a few |
| 03:20.11 | doki_pen | I'm installing on a PII 450 right now |
| 03:20.26 | karllenz | i think im on a p2 at the moment to |
| 03:20.39 | doki_pen | it will run great |
| 03:20.41 | karllenz | not really sure its my sisteres old pc 900mhz |
| 03:20.55 | doki_pen | it's just not efficient energywise |
| 03:21.01 | karllenz | 128mb of ram |
| 03:21.08 | karllenz | tru |
| 03:21.12 | doki_pen | lol, I have 1gig it my beast |
| 03:21.24 | doki_pen | it's easy to find old PC133 memory |
| 03:21.35 | doki_pen | I took about 50 home from my last job that they were tossing |
| 03:21.39 | karllenz | lol mines so old it has some odd ram in it |
| 03:21.57 | karllenz | thats prolly it im still young idk even know pc133 memory |
| 03:21.58 | doki_pen | I'd send you some, but the postage would cost more then it's worth |
| 03:21.59 | doki_pen | lol |
| 03:22.04 | karllenz | lol |
| 03:22.11 | doki_pen | it's 100Mhz |
| 03:22.14 | doki_pen | 133 |
| 03:22.21 | hatter | it appears i have grub in the mbr, but the machine doesnt want to boot |
| 03:22.23 | snogglethorpe | doki_pen: hmm is "pc133" memory sims? |
| 03:22.29 | \amethyst | karllenz: finding PC133 with parity there days can be a bitch |
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| 03:22.35 | doki_pen | lol |
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| 03:22.39 | karllenz | lol |
| 03:22.41 | \amethyst | s/there/these/ |
| 03:22.41 | doki_pen | I have a bunch, anyone need some |
| 03:22.46 | karllenz | lol |
| 03:22.53 | doki_pen | 50 bucks a whack |
| 03:22.54 | doki_pen | lol |
| 03:22.55 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: no, SO-DIMM |
| 03:22.57 | cmatheson | is there a command that gives the path of a given file (i guess... like the opposite of basename) |
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| 03:23.11 | timmy_boy | cmatheson: whereis |
| 03:23.17 | karllenz | wat are some good use's for my now newly getting setup debian server |
| 03:23.20 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: hmm can never keep memory bus formats straight, they seem to be different every generation... |
| 03:23.26 | karllenz | iv never used or setup a server |
| 03:23.34 | doki_pen | as long as you're not planning on install X, it will be fine |
| 03:23.39 | doki_pen | what type of server? |
| 03:23.48 | doki_pen | karllenz: are you good with ssh? |
| 03:23.58 | snogglethorpe | doki_pen: otoh, what would be wrong with X? |
| 03:23.58 | karllenz | not sure was planning on storeing lots of stuff on it |
| 03:24.04 | doki_pen | do a minimal install and make sure you have ssh |
| 03:24.09 | karllenz | i used ssh with my iphone that bout it |
| 03:24.11 | doki_pen | then just stick it in the closet |
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| 03:24.28 | karllenz | idk even know how to do a minimal install |
| 03:24.45 | doki_pen | I'm no debian expert, but I'm pretty sure it will prompt you |
| 03:24.45 | karllenz | i just popped in a debian cd i believe its kde and pressed go |
| 03:24.51 | doki_pen | oh no! |
| 03:24.56 | doki_pen | not kde!! |
| 03:25.01 | karllenz | i know |
| 03:25.03 | karllenz | i hate kde |
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| 03:25.12 | Nyle | you both suck. |
| 03:25.16 | doki_pen | if it's a server, you don't need graphics |
| 03:25.18 | karllenz | but i dont feel like dling a new cd |
| 03:25.20 | doki_pen | Nyle: why? |
| 03:25.20 | Nyle | KDE is awesome. |
| 03:25.27 | doki_pen | Nyle: nothing wrong with KDE |
| 03:25.35 | doki_pen | KDE on a server is what I'm complaing about |
| 03:25.41 | snogglethorpe | doki_pen: well... it's kinda clunky |
| 03:25.45 | karllenz | if i dont have kde or gnome wont it all be commande line |
| 03:25.46 | Nyle | doki_pen, I shall complain with you then. |
| 03:26.02 | doki_pen | karllenz: yes |
| 03:26.05 | snogglethorpe | doki_pen: but all it does is take up disk space, and with modern disks that may not be much... |
| 03:26.05 | doki_pen | it will be anyway |
| 03:26.13 | doki_pen | you will just have a prettier command line |
| 03:26.13 | doki_pen | lol |
| 03:26.18 | Nyle | why NOT kde? |
| 03:26.19 | karllenz | im new to linux lol i know nothing of commande line |
| 03:26.30 | karllenz | except sudo apt-get |
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| 03:26.36 | doki_pen | karllenz: you will learn, all HOWTO's online use commandline |
| 03:26.36 | snogglethorpe | Nyle: it's kinda clunky |
| 03:26.39 | Gm4n | if it's a server, why would you *want* a desktop environment? |
| 03:26.42 | doki_pen | I use wmii |
| 03:26.50 | doki_pen | I use wmii from a window manager |
| 03:26.52 | Nyle | thats the question, with memory, cpu's and misc. pc gear being so affordable and cheap these days. |
| 03:27.10 | Nyle | why does the myth of 'bloted kde' matter? |
| 03:27.13 | doki_pen | Nyle: but I use wmii because it manages my windows |
| 03:27.18 | Nyle | its not like your brand spanking new system can't handle it |
| 03:27.22 | doki_pen | not because I'm avoiding bloat |
| 03:27.25 | karllenz | idk 1st time even thinking of a media server dont know the 1st thing about it |
| 03:27.33 | Nyle | doki_pen, oh, I wasn't directing anything at you |
| 03:27.40 | Gm4n | not all of us have brand new hardware, my server is running on a pentium II ;) |
| 03:27.40 | snogglethorpe | Nyle: nobody said anything about bloated |
| 03:27.54 | Nyle | doki_pen, I was merely saying about the general outlook people have regarding gnome, kde, etc. |
| 03:27.58 | Nyle | blaoted desktops |
| 03:28.01 | Gm4n | in any case, an install WITH kde will automatically take up more resources than an install without |
| 03:28.04 | Nyle | xfce is small so people don't complain much |
| 03:28.12 | doki_pen | yeah, well, we can't all afford a new machine!! lol |
| 03:28.14 | Nyle | but gnome and kde take the heat |
| 03:28.19 | snogglethorpe | Nyle: though actually on a slow machine, well, they're a bit slow... |
| 03:28.29 | Nyle | but... one should have half a mind |
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| 03:28.36 | Nyle | to not run big desktops on little machiens |
| 03:28.37 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:28.43 | doki_pen | true |
| 03:29.03 | doki_pen | Nyle: but ppl get attached to their wm |
| 03:29.19 | Nyle | doki_pen, flux I like, bb4win/bblean on xp |
| 03:29.22 | doki_pen | if you use fluxbox on your old machines, you miss it on your new machine |
| 03:29.25 | doki_pen | lol |
| 03:29.37 | Nyle | doki_pen, I love kwin too, but I mostly use kde + compiz-fusion's wm |
| 03:29.44 | doki_pen | and you spend all that time on your theme, and your keys |
| 03:29.54 | Nyle | nah |
| 03:30.05 | Nyle | I took an hour or two to configure it once |
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| 03:30.07 | Nyle | backed up the configs |
| 03:30.10 | Nyle | I'm set. |
| 03:30.12 | doki_pen | well, I can't live without wmii now |
| 03:30.24 | Nyle | any time I reinstall or whatever, or move to a new system, I take my configs with me |
| 03:30.32 | doki_pen | if I use a normal window manager, I get pissed |
| 03:30.38 | Nyle | I am a lazy pothead, I try not to configure things again if I don' thave to |
| 03:30.44 | doki_pen | Nyle: yeah, that's what I'm saying |
| 03:30.53 | doki_pen | you have all your flux configs, so you want to use them |
| 03:31.03 | Nyle | doki_pen, backup your configs to a gmailfs mount |
| 03:31.03 | Nyle | ! |
| 03:31.08 | Nyle | hehe |
| 03:31.15 | doki_pen | yes, but they aren't any good on KDE |
| 03:31.21 | Nyle | sure they are |
| 03:31.27 | Nyle | kde has nothing to do with gmailfs |
| 03:31.38 | doki_pen | your flux configs work on kde? |
| 03:31.49 | Nyle | think there might be a communication error |
| 03:31.55 | doki_pen | haha |
| 03:31.59 | doki_pen | who cares |
| 03:32.03 | Nyle | I do |
| 03:32.07 | Nyle | I have no idea what you are talking about |
| 03:32.08 | doki_pen | I'm just glad we have about 200 choices |
| 03:32.09 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:32.14 | Nyle | me to |
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| 03:32.39 | Nyle | man I worked a lot today |
| 03:32.50 | Nyle | I fixed 7 computers and worked 8 hours at my regular job |
| 03:33.03 | Nyle | if i keep getting a few appointments to fix pcs a day man thats great |
| 03:33.29 | Nyle | soo im gonna get me a phone # like 1-800-fix-my-pc or whatever |
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| 03:34.22 | Nyle | i been out of my house since 7:30am, I just got home, 11:30pm |
| 03:34.49 | doki_pen | ok, so now I have my initrd, vmlinux and iso on my root |
| 03:34.54 | Nyle | the less pot you smoke, the more you work, and the more money you make |
| 03:34.58 | doki_pen | next problem, no bootloader |
| 03:35.07 | Nyle | doki_pen, you trying to load a .iso through a ckernel? |
| 03:35.08 | doki_pen | the more pot you can buy! |
| 03:35.37 | doki_pen | I don't know, I just want a cd-less, usb-stick-less, floppy-less boot |
| 03:35.40 | karllenz | god this install is taking forever |
| 03:35.42 | doki_pen | with no boot loader.. lol |
| 03:35.52 | doki_pen | karllenz: do yourself a favor |
| 03:35.52 | Snadder | Hi. I'm using iceweasle 2.0.0.13 with Shockwave Flash 9.0 r115.. having problem with some flash video websites.. I can play the content untill whole video is loaded, then it all stops. |
| 03:35.54 | Nyle | doki_pen, have fun... |
| 03:36.10 | doki_pen | karllenz: download the mini netinst cd and start over |
| 03:36.12 | Nyle | snogglethorpe, flash problems |
| 03:36.14 | doki_pen | it will take 10 minutes |
| 03:36.29 | Nyle | snogglethorpe, check the debian bts regarding that, as I know that iceweasel version is not in etch |
| 03:36.37 | doki_pen | Nyle: I do have a linux boot cd, I just have no blanks |
| 03:36.51 | Nyle | you really should install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges and always check the bts on a package that misbehaves or something |
| 03:36.53 | doki_pen | is there a way I can boot the vmlinuz image on /dev/hda3 from the boot prompt? |
| 03:36.59 | Nyle | doki_pen, yes |
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| 03:37.04 | rcbarnes | What's the word on KDE 4's first release in Debian stable? Might it squeeze int lenny, or will it be the successor? |
| 03:37.05 | Snadder | Nyle, you mean Snadder.. not snogglethorpe? |
| 03:37.06 | Nyle | lilo or grub? |
| 03:37.06 | doki_pen | what's the incantation? |
| 03:37.18 | Nyle | Snadder, snogglethorpe, I donn't know who |
| 03:37.20 | doki_pen | Nyle: on the boot cd? no idea |
| 03:37.32 | Nyle | doki_pen, google a grub prompt howto |
| 03:37.40 | rcbarnes | (Googling that question and it's deriv.s was quite unhelpful.) |
| 03:37.44 | Nyle | more than likely it would be grub, not many major distros use lilo anyway these days |
| 03:37.58 | doki_pen | does a boot cd use a bootloader? |
| 03:38.02 | doki_pen | I'm so ignant |
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| 03:38.06 | Nyle | yes... |
| 03:38.14 | doki_pen | yes, it's grub |
| 03:38.16 | doki_pen | I'll google |
| 03:38.32 | Nyle | doki_pen, you can specify a 'menu.lst' entry on the grub prompt. |
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| 03:38.44 | Nyle | doki_pen, like make a 4 line entry |
| 03:38.48 | Nyle | title if you want |
| 03:38.52 | Nyle | root, initrd |
| 03:39.00 | Nyle | other options on line 4 etc. etc. so forth |
| 03:39.16 | doki_pen | no |
| 03:39.17 | Nyle | mention the correct disk paths when specifying the kernel/initrd images on other partitions |
| 03:39.19 | doki_pen | it's isolinux |
| 03:39.30 | Snadder | Anyone have a firefox 3 mirror for etch? |
| 03:39.41 | Snadder | apt-get mirror |
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| 03:40.04 | Nyle | I can't help you. |
| 03:40.15 | Snadder | or iceweasle |
| 03:40.15 | Nyle | Snadder, fetch firefox from the website, unpack, use. |
| 03:40.23 | Snadder | Hm. okay |
| 03:40.24 | doki_pen | but the internets can.. muhahaha |
| 03:40.34 | Nyle | Snadder, you can unpack firefox 3 to ~/firefox3 |
| 03:40.46 | Nyle | launch it from there too, ~/firefox3/firefox |
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| 03:40.58 | Nyle | no need to actually install firefox 3 in debian yet |
| 03:41.05 | Nyle | or you can if you want, whatever |
| 03:41.26 | Nyle | Snadder, as for packaged in deb for debian specifically, I dunno |
| 03:41.44 | Nyle | Snadder, you feelin dangerous? try a generic deb, maybe one from ubuntu, but I don't recommend it. |
| 03:41.50 | Nyle | I shouldn't have even said that |
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| 03:45.46 | doki_pen | Nyle: you know what this means? |
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| 03:46.11 | doki_pen | I'm gonna have to get up off my lazy ass and find a blank cd |
| 03:46.32 | doki_pen | or setup a PXE server and not move!! |
| 03:46.34 | WaffleMatt | Personally, I unpack it to /opt/firefox then change the /usr/bin/firefox symlink to point to /opt/firefox/firefox Snadder |
| 03:46.46 | Nyle | pxe ftw! |
| 03:47.00 | Nyle | WaffleMatt, its all good |
| 03:47.02 | Snadder | WaffleMatt, ok |
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| 03:49.27 | Snadder | When I start firefox.. it says I need GTK+ 2.10 or newer. |
| 03:49.40 | Snadder | I only have GTK+ 2.8 it says |
| 03:50.02 | Snadder | I've tried to find gtk+ with apt-get.. without any luck |
| 03:50.31 | \amethyst | Snadder: etch only has 2.8 |
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| 03:52.01 | \amethyst | Snadder: lenny has 2.12. the packages are libgtk2.0-0 and a number of related packages |
| 03:52.40 | Snadder | lenny is not the experimental distro? |
| 03:52.47 | Snadder | Whats that again? |
| 03:53.04 | \amethyst | lenny is testing |
| 03:53.08 | \amethyst | (currently) |
| 03:53.18 | \amethyst | sid is unstable |
| 03:53.31 | \amethyst | lenny will be the next release; sid is where development goes on |
| 03:53.58 | \amethyst | experimental is not a full distribution, just a collection of packages that aren't even ready for sid yet |
| 03:54.04 | Snadder | Ok. I never remember if development goes on in testing or unstable :-p |
| 03:54.39 | Snadder | Then I guess i'll upgrade to lenny |
| 03:54.53 | WaffleMatt | Snadder, you can selectively install parts of lenny if you want |
| 03:54.58 | Snadder | Do you know how long it takes before lenny will be stable? |
| 03:55.06 | Snadder | Oh. is that possible? :-) |
| 03:55.07 | stew | WaffleMatt: that is a bad idea. please don't recommend it |
| 03:55.14 | stew | Snadder: its possible, but its a bad idea |
| 03:55.18 | Snadder | Ok |
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| 03:55.49 | WaffleMatt | stew, You're probably right. I've gotten used to abusing debian and fixing things when they break that sometimes I forget stuff isn't a good idea :-p |
| 03:56.09 | Snadder | But I guess upgrading to lenny is painless? |
| 03:56.21 | Snadder | Even if I have some packages from other mirrors |
| 03:56.26 | WaffleMatt | In theory it shouldn't be too bad. |
| 03:56.54 | Snadder | When I upgraded to etch last time.. it was a pain.. |
| 03:57.12 | Rusty1 | aptitude will help, as opposed to apt-get |
| 03:57.19 | Snadder | Got packages from backports.org and debian-multimedia.org |
| 03:57.46 | Snadder | Oh. ok. So I should use aptitude instead of apt? |
| 03:57.54 | Snadder | apt-get* |
| 03:58.04 | stew | Snadder: yes |
| 03:58.08 | Rusty1 | IMHO |
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| 03:58.19 | route | ok, who can tell me an EASY way to run php4 and php5 at the same time on the same Debian server with Apache2? |
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| 03:58.36 | stew | route: there isn't one |
| 03:58.54 | dondelelcaro | route: the easy way is to use php-cgi for one and the module for the other |
| 03:59.21 | dondelelcaro | (though frankly, you shouldn't be using php4 anymore anyway) |
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| 03:59.36 | Snadder | Atm. I got a curses interface to aptitude.. how can I change that? |
| 03:59.49 | dondelelcaro | Snadder: that's the interface that aptitude has |
| 03:59.55 | karllenz | ok just got done install debian and my monitr is showing out of range message whne i boot tup |
| 04:00.04 | karllenz | how can fix this |
| 04:00.05 | dondelelcaro | Snadder: you can just use the commands if you want too |
| 04:00.16 | dondelelcaro | !drxx |
| 04:00.16 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. If you've modified your xorg.conf yourself, ask me about <xmd5sum>. |
| 04:00.23 | dondelelcaro | karllenz: see above |
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| 04:00.35 | Snadder | Kidding.. I belived it was a grafical one. Hm. okay.. maybe thats synaptic. I meant. |
| 04:00.54 | mysupper | hello gus |
| 04:00.56 | dondelelcaro | Snadder: yes, synaptic has the gtk-based gui |
| 04:01.39 | Snadder | Do anyone know when lenny will become stable? |
| 04:01.45 | mysupper | wow gaim is excellent |
| 04:02.22 | huhlig | is there anyway to get a marvell 88e8040 nic to work with debian |
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| 04:02.58 | Souto | is away -> <- Page [OFF] Log [ON] |
| 04:02.59 | Souto | is away -> <- Page [OFF] Log [ON] |
| 04:03.01 | Souto | is away -> <- Page [OFF] Log [ON] |
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| 04:04.13 | meero | passing argument -mtime +1 to `find` means that the file's to find date was last modified 24 hours ago, but what does that + stand for? isn't just -mntime 1 enough? |
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| 04:04.44 | Snadder | I get 6 conflicts when I try to dist-upgrade with aptitude |
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| 04:05.18 | Snadder | http://pastebin.ca/994129 <-- |
| 04:05.48 | Snadder | Hm. That was atleast nice.. that I know about it before I upgrade |
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| 04:06.56 | wt | Is this the main debian channel? |
| 04:07.04 | wt | I thought there was another network or debian |
| 04:07.18 | maxamillion | wt: irc.oftc.net |
| 04:07.45 | maxamillion | wt: they are both pretty equal in amount of people, but i think the channel on oftc.net is the one that is deemed "official" |
| 04:07.46 | wt | ah |
| 04:07.52 | wt | thanks |
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| 04:08.34 | milia | hm... is there a way to fix the analysis in tty's ? something with framebuffer.. |
| 04:08.41 | stew | neither is official. last i checked this one is 2-3 time more populated |
| 04:09.45 | meero | any ideas what that + means? i'd need to know that because of an entry into crontab, i need to make that entry pretty much now :/ |
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| 04:14.20 | civillian | rather than 'from 1 day ago' it means 'to 1 day ago' |
| 04:14.25 | civillian | meero: ^^ |
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| 04:15.43 | meero | eh.. and what does that mean exactly? could you give me an example, please? |
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| 04:16.05 | meero | oh, to one day... of course, i read "one day to go" ;D |
| 04:16.05 | civillian | -mtime +1 means everything up until 24 hours ago will be returned by find |
| 04:16.14 | civillian | -mtime 1 means everything in the last day |
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| 04:17.01 | meero | hm, but mmin +120 ...what does that mean then? |
| 04:17.18 | civillian | not sure, but I'd guess something similar |
| 04:17.37 | meero | i simply need a command which finds files older than 120 minutes |
| 04:17.47 | civillian | further than 120 minutes ago? |
| 04:18.13 | meero | you mean older than 120 minutes or older than 121 minutes? |
| 04:18.29 | civillian | older than 120 I'd say, and I'm only guessing here |
| 04:18.35 | civillian | so 120.00001 counts |
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| 04:19.15 | meero | doesn't matter, if the files are 120 minutes or 120 and one second old, `find` should find both |
| 04:19.56 | sandman | I'm getting this while running AMD64 Iceweasel + AMD64 nspluginwrapper + i386 Adobe Flash player: (npviewer.bin:4968): Gtk-WARNING **: /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libclearlooks.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 |
| 04:20.14 | sandman | Iceweasel runs, but it's going extremely slowly. |
| 04:20.35 | civillian | sandman: get an intel :P |
| 04:21.55 | x1250 | has someone been here synched evolution email between two computers with unison? just synching ~/.evolution does not seem to work at all |
| 04:22.00 | sandman | civillian: Are you new here? |
| 04:22.04 | sandman | civillian: =) |
| 04:22.51 | meero | 25 */6 * * * ..that crontab-date means: execute the command every 6 hours at minute 25, true? |
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| 04:25.41 | sandman | Okay, that error message that I posted... npviewer.bin is, of course, a binary file. So when it references line 5096 as it has, I assume it means its related source file? |
| 04:25.45 | sandman | Or am I missing something here |
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| 04:40.39 | tanner|t40 | does the debian installer have an option to ssh in to install/manage? |
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| 04:43.11 | whatsgood | is apt-get still the preferred way to update the kernel or has etch moved to compiling from source? |
| 04:43.14 | liable | see the appendic on preseeding, theres an example preseed for using ssh iirc |
| 04:43.30 | liable | whatsgood: yes, use apt |
| 04:43.36 | whatsgood | ok thanks |
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| 04:44.37 | tanner|t40 | erm, no way to install without a monitor or keyboard? |
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| 04:44.59 | liable | tanner|t40: check the installer manual. |
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| 04:47.04 | tanner|t40 | :-\ makes no mention i'm afraid |
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| 04:49.04 | Miesco | How do you choose what plugin iceweasel uses for flash? |
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| 04:50.39 | nevyn | Miesco: the system used is ID. |
| 04:50.52 | nevyn | inverse desire. whichever one you want it to use it'll use the other one. |
| 04:51.11 | \amethyst | oh, I thought you meant 'intelligent design' for a minute |
| 04:51.16 | \amethyst | i.e. 'it just happens' |
| 04:51.22 | Miesco | nevyn: What? |
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| 04:52.39 | nevyn | Miesco: more seriously I think it's controlled by a mapping in the config but I'm not confident that the plugin archetecture deals sensibly with multiple potential providers for a mimetype |
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| 04:55.40 | Miesco | Can I change the mime types |
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| 05:03.16 | Miesco | I did it! I just deleted libflashplayer.so in .mozilla/plugins |
| 05:04.07 | Miesco | Im free!! |
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| 05:07.06 | marian666 | hi, can you have a virtual interface with ip's from different subnetworks ? |
| 05:07.11 | marian666 | for xample |
| 05:07.21 | nevyn | yes |
| 05:07.26 | marian666 | eth0 10.1.1.2 255.255.255.0 |
| 05:07.47 | marian666 | and eht0:1 192.168.1.1 255.255.255.0 |
| 05:07.51 | nevyn | yes |
| 05:08.08 | nevyn | both of these are on the same physical segment |
| 05:08.20 | nevyn | that's fine |
| 05:08.33 | marian666 | the phisical segment is a switch though |
| 05:08.44 | nevyn | is fine |
| 05:08.48 | marian666 | should i use a hub instead? |
| 05:08.49 | marian666 | ok |
| 05:09.11 | nevyn | but don't expect security between these networks. |
| 05:09.39 | marian666 | what kind of security problems might have ? |
| 05:09.42 | sandman | Ever since I installed nspluginwrapper + iceweasel, it has been going _extremely_ slow |
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| 05:09.51 | nevyn | expecially don't rely on the switch to protect you from a host on network A seeing traffic on network B |
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| 05:10.23 | sandman | I mean scripts time out, it's horrible. When run from a terminal, little is shown to indicate what exactly about it is going wrong, aside from the GTK warning I mentioned earlier. |
| 05:10.31 | Miesco | Now facebook is saying I dont have the latest version of flash |
| 05:10.51 | marian666 | ok, i need to keep away from sniffers |
| 05:11.07 | marian666 | thanksssssss |
| 05:11.22 | nevyn | marian666: and of course |
| 05:11.54 | nevyn | if you have some sort of network A -> Linux machine squid whatever -> network B that's easily circumvented |
| 05:12.11 | nevyn | network b -> internet |
| 05:13.00 | marian666 | okkkk |
| 05:13.03 | nevyn | as long as the networks have the same profile (they're all user workstations or whatever) that's fine |
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| 05:13.24 | marian666 | yes, they ll be lan |
| 05:14.04 | nevyn | marian666: so why two subnets may I ask. |
| 05:14.06 | marian666 | but i was trying to make a restricted lan for wireless access points |
| 05:14.52 | nevyn | yeah that's not gonna work. |
| 05:14.56 | nevyn | well.. |
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| 05:15.24 | nevyn | you wanted to stop workstations directly accessing the workstations subnet? |
| 05:15.40 | nevyn | you wanted to stop wireless clients directly accessing the workstation subnet? |
| 05:15.46 | marian666 | yesssss |
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| 05:16.04 | nevyn | .... depending how clever your access points are.. it might work. |
| 05:16.19 | marian666 | specially the intranet webserver and other applications |
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| 05:16.38 | nevyn | marian666: most accesspoints are layer2 bridges |
| 05:16.47 | marian666 | and workstations in general |
| 05:16.56 | nevyn | so what an attacker would need to do.. is associate |
| 05:16.59 | nevyn | sniff. |
| 05:17.05 | nevyn | change local ip address |
| 05:17.32 | nevyn | if that's a high enough barrier for your security requirements then it'll do. |
| 05:18.24 | marian666 | but, if i put a switch how can the attacker see other packets that arent for its mac addres ? |
| 05:18.27 | marian666 | address ? |
| 05:18.47 | nevyn | switches are not a pancea. |
| 05:18.51 | nevyn | check out ettercap. |
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| 05:19.07 | marian666 | ok |
| 05:20.11 | Shadow_mil | Is it a good thing when dmesg returns this on when I put a DVD in: cdrom: This disc doesn't have any tracks I recognize! |
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| 05:21.10 | hatter | anyone here know of a discussion channel for spam related matters ? |
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| 05:23.10 | nevyn | marian666: lots of switches honor promiscuous stuff. dhcp occurs partically at layer 2 so if you have a dhcp server for the "protected" network the game's over. all sorts of fun stuff |
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| 05:30.38 | FordCortina | there's no way you can set cron to "run this program every day at any time you can"? |
| 05:31.30 | FordCortina | i tried * * */1 * * but i think it meant run this task every minute, every hour every day of the month |
| 05:31.41 | FordCortina | which was totally stupid |
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| 05:32.06 | FordCortina | in fact there's no point in /1 |
| 05:33.57 | FordCortina | maybe i should use anacron? |
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| 05:35.24 | nevyn | FordCortina: that's what the cron line you wrote means |
| 05:35.37 | nevyn | run every minute of every hour of every day. |
| 05:36.11 | nevyn | what do you mean by at any time you can? |
| 05:36.17 | nevyn | what would prevent it running? |
| 05:36.43 | FordCortina | nevyn: the machine being switched off my prevent it from running |
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| 05:36.47 | FordCortina | might* |
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| 05:36.55 | nevyn | FordCortina: anacron is the solution you seek. |
| 05:37.11 | nevyn | FordCortina: if the box is not on 24/7 then cron can't do what you want. |
| 05:37.40 | nevyn | but I find anacron a pita because you boot your laptop to DO something and anacron kicks in and slams the io subsystem for 20 minutes |
| 05:37.55 | FordCortina | heh |
| 05:40.45 | FordCortina | ive installed anacron on my system. does that mean i need to uninstall the regular cron or do they cooperate? |
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| 05:41.25 | nevyn | they're completly seperate |
| 05:41.51 | nevyn | I think they play together nicely tho. |
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| 05:42.10 | FordCortina | thanks |
| 05:43.37 | enouf | Shadow_mil: run file -s /dev/sda on your dvd drive, see http://trappist.elis.ugent.be/~mronsse/cdfs/ |
| 05:43.55 | Shadow_mil | enouf, I was able to mount it |
| 05:44.07 | enouf | no need |
| 05:44.08 | Shadow_mil | enouf, it just not auto detecting DVDs like it does CDs |
| 05:44.29 | enouf | dvds are movies |
| 05:44.33 | enouf | usually |
| 05:44.37 | enouf | using udf |
| 05:44.46 | Shadow_mil | enouf, Not the DVD I burn |
| 05:44.57 | Shadow_mil | enouf, these are data DVDs |
| 05:45.06 | Shadow_mil | enouf, I use DVDs for backups |
| 05:45.12 | enouf | i told you what to do |
| 05:45.54 | enouf | (er -- what i think you should try) |
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| 05:55.49 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 06:02.52 | aronzak | Does anyone know if there is any way to mount a cryptfs file in windows? |
| 06:04.12 | Dewi | surprising... konqueror is more bloated than iceweasel |
| 06:04.17 | Dewi | if you don't have gnome installed that is :P |
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| 06:05.12 | _subzero_ | Hello! How can I substitute an installed package with a newer version by a package with an older version from my Debian DVDs? |
| 06:05.57 | aronzak | reinstall? |
| 06:06.08 | enouf | just install the older version |
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| 06:06.54 | enouf | man apt-cdrom, and /msg dpkg apt howto (or aptitude) |
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| 06:13.37 | Lagbolt | _subzero_, add the dvd into your apt-sources and do apt-cache policy on the package . . . it shoudl show all the versions |
| 06:13.43 | Lagbolt | then install the version off the dvd |
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| 06:22.34 | _subzero_ | Thank you guys, it worked ) |
| 06:22.47 | Dewi | anyone know how to minimize / move / restore windows in fluxbox with keyboard? |
| 06:22.57 | Dewi | a big window has opened up over everything else and I'm kind of stuck |
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| 06:23.51 | simonrvn | alt-drag the window? |
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| 06:24.14 | Dewi | simonrvn: thanks |
| 06:24.21 | Dewi | simonrvn: that did it :P |
| 06:25.24 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 06:41.13 | enouf | Dewi: you have a Title Bar? right-clickety-click-click ;-) |
| 06:41.37 | enouf | if not, see if alt-spacebar pops up something good ;-) |
| 06:41.38 | Dewi | enouf: I didn't at the time |
| 06:41.52 | Dewi | enouf: and that didn't help... but alt-drag works |
| 06:41.55 | enouf | ahh .. window too big |
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| 06:42.06 | enouf | yes, i know |
| 06:42.14 | Dewi | yeah from the part I could see it looked like it was about 5 times the size of the screen :P |
| 06:42.22 | enouf | i was trying to have you see a context menu |
| 06:42.38 | Dewi | enouf: alt-space doesn't do that in fluxbox |
| 06:42.50 | enouf | Dewi: ctrl-alt-+ (or - to cycle through X resolutions) ;-) |
| 06:43.00 | Dewi | enouf: it seems like visible-window switching and virt-desktop switching are the only hotkeys by default |
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| 06:52.40 | nevyn | ctrl-esc |
| 06:52.56 | alfadir | hi, my iceweasel and icedove have invisible text. not sure what is going on, any similar experience ? google did not help much.. |
| 06:53.04 | nevyn | try alt-f1 as well |
| 06:53.07 | alfadir | also in the menues |
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| 06:54.15 | alfadir | ooffice too.. |
| 06:54.20 | alfadir | hmm .. |
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| 06:57.07 | Old_Fogie | Can someone point me to a howto for submitting an installation report :D I can't seem to find out where to do so. lenny running very good want to tell the dev's :D |
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| 07:00.26 | cydork | Old_Fogie: /msg dpkg installation report |
| 07:00.41 | Old_Fogie | cydork, thankyou |
| 07:00.55 | cydork | Old_Fogie: no problem. |
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| 07:07.05 | elmarian6 | mill |
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| 07:14.27 | enouf | cydork: @_@ |
| 07:14.39 | cydork | enouf: hiya :) |
| 07:14.50 | enouf | !hug cydork |
| 07:14.50 | dpkg | gives cydork a hug |
| 07:15.03 | elmarian6 | enouf, hello |
| 07:15.05 | enouf | donde esta tu? |
| 07:15.12 | enouf | hola |
| 07:15.38 | elmarian6 | enouf, hola |
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| 07:40.10 | |bb7| | hi, we have trouble with a server. In the last weeks it got completly frozen 4 times, but after a manual reboot everything was fine again. |
| 07:40.42 | |bb7| | if i look into /var/log/debug, there are lots of inetd starts, nearly every 4 minutes |
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| 07:42.22 | simonrvn | look at the log just before the lock up |
| 07:43.00 | |bb7| | the last line is such a inetd start |
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| 07:44.09 | simonrvn | and of course above. i didn't mean literally heh |
| 07:44.12 | |bb7| | after that, kernel messages start ( but i think these are from the reboot) |
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| 07:44.22 | simonrvn | yeh they would |
| 07:44.46 | |bb7| | there are hundreds of inetd starts |
| 07:45.22 | simonrvn | sounds like a red herring |
| 07:45.41 | |bb7| | what's that? |
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| 07:50.10 | |bb7| | Apr 23 09:16:52 7iserver1x1 kernel: eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 07:50.11 | |bb7| | Apr 23 09:17:25 7iserver1x1 identd[2717]: started |
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| 07:51.26 | |bb7| | http://pastebin.com/m57eddcbf |
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| 08:02.46 | cnwesleywang | this is my first try of debian, when "apt-get install firefox", I got "firefox: Depends: iceweasel (< 2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1.1~) but 2.0.0.12-1 is to be installed", what to do? |
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| 08:05.01 | ArtVandalae | cnwesleywang, install iceweasel |
| 08:05.17 | ArtVandalae | cnwesleywang, iceweasel is a rebranded firefox for reasons of freedom. |
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| 08:12.20 | simplechat | heyyas |
| 08:12.40 | cnwesleywang | Thanks ArtVandalae, It just the same after "apt-get install iceweasel".I think apt-get think the version iceweasel is too high, what to do? |
| 08:12.51 | simplechat | i'm trying to set up a small debian server. (and probably a few after it). what should i download? |
| 08:12.59 | simplechat | at the moment i'm downloading the first cd, is that enough? |
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| 08:18.53 | vvd | ye |
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| 08:19.44 | ArtVandalae | cnwesleywang, what release of debian are you using? |
| 08:19.56 | ArtVandalae | simplechat, what kind of server? |
| 08:20.15 | ArtVandalae | simplechat, first CD should be enough... but for a simple (headless) server, you could even try a net install |
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| 08:20.17 | cnwesleywang | I am using lenny,I think it is the latest test release. |
| 08:20.49 | ArtVandalae | cnwesleywang, yes that's correct |
| 08:20.49 | simplechat | ArtVandalae, lighty, mysql, memcached |
| 08:20.55 | simplechat | not many packages |
| 08:21.18 | ArtVandalae | simplechat, yeah you could go for just a net install. lighttpd is only a few mb... I think mysql is about 20-50MB no idea for memcached |
| 08:21.38 | simplechat | hmmm, ok |
| 08:21.43 | simplechat | i don't want to have to do it several times tho |
| 08:22.14 | ArtVandalae | cnwesleywang, I suspect that's what might be happening too (the versioning problem). In which case you may have to wait until someone gets that sorted out with the package |
| 08:22.51 | ArtVandalae | cnwesleywang, you could always try download the iceweasel package and install it without apt-get |
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| 08:23.07 | ArtVandalae | cnwesleywang, in fact, try aptitude, aptitude install iceweasel |
| 08:23.49 | cnwesleywang | I agree. I am really newbie of debian, or maybe I can just install firefox using some options like --force or something? |
| 08:24.06 | ArtVandalae | yeah I was thinking about that... but you have to retrieve the package first |
| 08:24.43 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/994284 - can someone help with this? apt won't work |
| 08:24.50 | cnwesleywang | I will try all of that.thanks ArtVandalae |
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| 08:31.26 | mernil | morning all! |
| 08:31.51 | aronzak | hello |
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| 08:34.40 | ThePuppetMaster | hello @all |
| 08:34.50 | mernil | ThePuppetMaster: hi |
| 08:34.52 | ThePuppetMaster | i get a strange problem .. |
| 08:34.52 | Snadder | (crashreporter:29343): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed<-- i got this error message when starting firefox3 in a newly upgraded lenny distro. |
| 08:34.57 | ThePuppetMaster | i cant "kill " a application |
| 08:35.19 | ThePuppetMaster | anyone know how i can kill this app? |
| 08:35.35 | mernil | killall "programme" |
| 08:35.39 | ThePuppetMaster | oO |
| 08:35.40 | idimmu | kill -9 pid |
| 08:35.48 | idimmu | reboot |
| 08:35.54 | idimmu | power button |
| 08:35.56 | idimmu | lots of ways |
| 08:36.08 | Kevin` | anyone? |
| 08:36.09 | ThePuppetMaster | nothign will do ... if i ps aux then print me the app whis "<defunct>" |
| 08:36.19 | mernil | killall |
| 08:36.27 | ThePuppetMaster | what does killall do? |
| 08:36.40 | idimmu | kills all apps with the name you specify |
| 08:36.41 | mernil | kill all instances of that program |
| 08:36.42 | idimmu | man killall ? |
| 08:36.52 | mernil | it's a script |
| 08:36.59 | ThePuppetMaster | k |
| 08:37.03 | ThePuppetMaster | i will try it .. thx |
| 08:37.07 | mernil | yw |
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| 08:37.16 | Snadder | Anyone got firefox3 working in lenny? |
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| 08:38.07 | ThePuppetMaster | hmm .. no .. the app will stil works again |
| 08:38.17 | Snadder | Damn.. now normal iceweasel dosnt work after I upgraded to lenny |
| 08:38.51 | Snadder | I get: loaded md5.js Segmentation fault |
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| 08:40.38 | ThePuppetMaster | Snadder, sry i dont know |
| 08:41.01 | buscon | Hi, what's the name of this symbol '^]' ? |
| 08:41.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | buscon, it means ctrl+] |
| 08:41.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | (i assume your asking to exit telnet) |
| 08:41.49 | Snadder | Now I even cant reinstall iceweasel |
| 08:42.02 | buscon | Kamping_Kaiser, I know that is ctrl+], but I need to remap it with xmodmap |
| 08:42.15 | buscon | so its name would be useful :) |
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| 08:42.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | buscon, well its two key signals, not one. doesnt have a name per se :) not sure what the keycode is though :\ |
| 08:42.48 | SlayerXP | ummm |
| 08:42.50 | SlayerXP | deja vu |
| 08:42.56 | SlayerXP | didn't we have this conversation yesterday? |
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| 08:44.23 | Snadder | When I try to install firefox, I get this: firefox: Depends: iceweasel (< 2.0.0.6-0etch1+lenny1.1~) but 2.0.0.13-0etch1 is to be installed |
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| 08:46.17 | Snadder | I just upgraded from etch to lenny |
| 08:46.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | Snadder, pastebin the whole output, including the install bit |
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| 08:46.56 | snogglethorpe | Snadder: ff3 works fine for me, though I'm not using the dbian package for it |
| 08:47.06 | snogglethorpe | Snadder: (that apparently had some issues with icons or something) |
| 08:47.35 | Snadder | Kamping_Kaiser, http://pastebin.ca/994298 |
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| 08:48.14 | Snadder | snogglethorpe, Kamping_Kaiser: I had some problems with full root disk when installed lenny |
| 08:48.21 | snogglethorpe | Snadder: whoops |
| 08:48.21 | Snadder | when I* |
| 08:48.21 | cydork | Kevin`: check /msg dpkg mmap |
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| 08:48.45 | Snadder | I had to delete some old kernel modules |
| 08:48.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | Snadder, are you running lenny or etch? |
| 08:49.06 | Snadder | I havent rebooted after upgrading to lenny |
| 08:49.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | and can you pastebin the output of `apt-cache policy iceweasel` and `apt-cache policy firefox` |
| 08:49.17 | Snadder | But I've done an dist-upgrade |
| 08:49.29 | Kevin` | cydork: I tried that, didn't help |
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| 08:50.05 | Snadder | Kamping_Kaiser, http://pastebin.ca/994299 |
| 08:50.06 | bokbaard | guys, can one simply "edit" /etc/services to add missing/required ports? |
| 08:50.08 | cydork | Kevin`: try increasing the limit. |
| 08:50.14 | jeetu | hey guys.....would appreciate some help.....i'm in the middle of sanitizing my office off windows.....as a test system i have a P II with an SiS 6205 display card......having trouble with Xorg....garbled screen with the vesa driver...sis driver doesn't support the card.....any pointers would be appreciated |
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| 08:50.40 | glontu | hello |
| 08:50.42 | Kevin` | cydork: I don't think the limit is the problem. if I mount /var/cache/apt as tmpfs or boot from the hard drive, it works |
| 08:50.42 | bokbaard | strange, an old card like that should work |
| 08:50.53 | glontu | i have a sun computer sun ultra 45 workstation |
| 08:50.57 | glontu | and it has solaris on it |
| 08:51.05 | glontu | can i run debian on this kind of machine ? |
| 08:51.11 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | My PC was fscking on boot then: "Duplicate or bad block in use!" |
| 08:51.21 | jeetu | bokbaard....my first guess too...but nope :( |
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| 08:51.48 | Kevin` | glontu: probably, look at the debian web site, on the page for the sparc(right?) port |
| 08:51.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | Snadder, try installing iceweasel again/upgrading it. `apt-get -t lenny/updates install iceweasel` (iirc) |
| 08:52.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | afk. dinner |
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| 08:52.19 | Snadder | Kamping_Kaiser, iceweasel is already the newest version |
| 08:52.26 | cydork | Kevin`: hmm strange.. |
| 08:52.28 | glontu | Kevin` : yes ... it has a sparc processor |
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| 08:53.10 | jeetu | apparently the card might have once worked with Xfree86...am trying to put in etch....:( |
| 08:54.46 | bokbaard | jeetu: i googled for it now, and can't find jacksh_t |
| 08:54.54 | bokbaard | scratches beard |
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| 08:56.05 | jeetu | bokbaard...haha thanks....i have another deb dude online on the phone right now....who just did the same thing.....just told me he can't find a shit either |
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| 08:56.57 | jeetu | needless to say i googled too..there is info for XFree86 3.36 to 4.0 migration...suggesting using vesa on XFree86 |
| 08:57.06 | bokbaard | so can anyone tell me what the purpose of /etc/services really is? I want to add ports to it... not sure if that is "ok" |
| 08:57.36 | dondelelcaro | bokbaard: it's purpose is so that you can refer to ports by name rather than number |
| 08:57.47 | dondelelcaro | bokbaard: ala telnet foohost smtp; or similar. |
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| 08:58.03 | |bb7| | hi, hw can i list all open ports of localhost? |
| 08:58.04 | _subzero_ | I have problems with hplip. I installed it from sources and it doesn't work. When I run hp-setup, it sucessfully finds my network printer, but after I've selected the driver and try to print a test page, it complains about no communication with the device. When I launch hp-toolbox afterwards, it also says that it can't connect to the printer. I managed to install the printer using KDE Control Center though and it started printing. But now hp-toolbox does |
| 08:58.04 | _subzero_ | n't show any printers at all and the printer's URI in cups starts with socket:// instead of hp:/ as it should with hplip. What should I do? Please help me. |
| 08:58.06 | bokbaard | dondelelcaro: so i can just add or modify lines as required? |
| 08:58.12 | bokbaard | |bb7|: nmap |
| 08:58.26 | dondelelcaro | bokbaard: in general, you shouldn't ever modify lines, and you probably shouldn't add any. |
| 08:58.28 | Kevin` | bokbaard: it's used for looking up and referring to ports by name in applications. you can add stuff |
| 08:58.29 | bokbaard | aptitude install nmap / nmap localhost |
| 08:58.30 | Skratz0r | |bb7|; nmap 127.0.0.1 |
| 08:58.44 | dondelelcaro | bokbaard: nmap can be configured to use it's own port->service map if you want |
| 08:58.44 | |bb7| | thank you |
| 08:58.46 | Kevin` | bokbaard: why do you need to add stuff? |
| 08:59.04 | bokbaard | Kevin`: xmpp/jabber isnt in there, and I use a custom ssh port |
| 08:59.09 | Skratz0r | You could also do netstat -an | grep LISTENING |
| 08:59.19 | bokbaard | Kevin`: and I need to graph them in munin, which uses services for ports |
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| 09:00.26 | jeetu | ok guys....bokbaard....will keep looking....bye for now |
| 09:00.33 | jeetu | thanks |
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| 09:03.43 | |bb7| | Hi, i still have the problem that our server gets completely freezd from time to time. 4 times during the last month. After a manual reboot everything ist fine. |
| 09:04.01 | |bb7| | but in /var/log/debug i can see hundreds of inetd starts |
| 09:04.03 | |bb7| | see http://pastebin.com/m57eddcbf |
| 09:04.13 | |bb7| | what could be the reason of that |
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| 09:04.55 | |bb7| | it a debian stable without x server, just smtp/pop/web etc. |
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| 09:10.12 | Skratz0r | later |
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| 09:10.15 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 09:14.07 | vanksi | does anyone know a script that would resolve bunch of IPs in a file (1 ip per row) to hostnames? |
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| 09:15.05 | ArtVandalae | hm... you might be able to write one pretty quickly... /me tries to write one before anyone comes up with one |
| 09:16.11 | ArtVandalae | woops I read that as hostname->IP. How would you resolve IP to hostname? |
| 09:16.35 | ArtVandalae | resolv.conf? |
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| 09:17.01 | coolius | supp... |
| 09:17.08 | coolius | anyone got a thinkpad x61 with debian on it? |
| 09:17.39 | coolius | trying to decide between X61 and latest dell xps m1330...any advise from someone who owns either would be great |
| 09:17.42 | coolius | :) |
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| 09:21.03 | idimmu | dont dell stick ubuntu on their laptops nowadays? |
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| 09:23.28 | themill | idimmu: some of them and normally at a premium over the windows equivalent. |
| 09:24.06 | hackjack82 | hi, I need to download and delete files from a DEbian server (an FTP SRV on Internet) to a windows machine. I've look at wget or ftp or rsync but nothing seems to do the job: download the files and, if of, deletes files from remote (debian FTP). Any ideas? |
| 09:24.16 | themill | coolius: /msg dpkg laptop /msg dpkg thinkpad |
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| 09:24.49 | themill | coolius: there will be specific notes about getting things running on those machines in people's installation stories. |
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| 09:29.38 | PleXuS | hi all |
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| 09:30.07 | PleXuS | anyone tryed to use faast usb memory stick for swap ? is this possible? and is it better or worse? |
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| 09:30.23 | enouf | silly |
| 09:30.49 | pinto3 | sounds like a good idea :) |
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| 09:31.50 | mernil | behold! Thy god has arrived! |
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| 09:32.14 | mernil | Bow your sorry heads for mernil, thy master |
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| 09:32.40 | mernil | And soon to be bag pipe master! :-) |
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| 09:34.01 | PleXuS | enouf, ?? |
| 09:34.08 | PleXuS | enouf, explain |
| 09:34.20 | mernil | PleXuS: did you bow your head for me? |
| 09:35.00 | PleXuS | wtf are you :p |
| 09:35.04 | enouf | mernil: quit it ph00l |
| 09:35.35 | enouf | PleXuS: just try it then - won't hurt to test |
| 09:35.39 | mernil | i see no respecus in thy words! |
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| 09:36.29 | PleXuS | enouf, don't known.. it wil hurt in my pocket :) |
| 09:36.40 | enouf | PleXuS: not to mention, if you hit swap and the only one you have is on that stick, your stick will wear out very fast |
| 09:36.53 | mernil | PleXuS is a wealthy man ^^ |
| 09:37.25 | mernil | roumors says he has a big p***s as well .. but that's only roumours.. |
| 09:38.15 | mernil | mr. 12 inch.. sounds much.. but.. ;-P |
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| 09:38.57 | mernil | damn.. im silly.. sorry! :-) |
| 09:39.06 | PleXuS | enouf, the only good point on using a usb stick is it got faaster access time i think :) |
| 09:39.26 | PleXuS | mernil, stop drinking to much :p |
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| 09:39.44 | mernil | PleXuS: im not drinking.. |
| 09:40.01 | mernil | just using some crack.. ;-) |
| 09:40.03 | PleXuS | mernil, you sound like your drunk anyway :p |
| 09:40.44 | enouf | faster access time than what PleXuS ? |
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| 09:42.48 | PleXuS | enouf, hardisk |
| 09:42.50 | mernil | I am drunk. Sorry, im prolly an alcoholic as well. Do i care? No! |
| 09:43.04 | enouf | PleXuS: erm, no ;-) |
| 09:43.27 | mernil | well.. not _so_ drunk .. just a little bit :-P |
| 09:44.19 | PleXuS | enouf, hardisk have 8 - 9ms response time.. those flash memory works at 4ms or even lower i think |
| 09:44.47 | mernil | PleXuS: you have a girlfriend? |
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| 09:45.03 | fireba11 | ^^ |
| 09:45.04 | enouf | you're not taking into account bus speeds / protocol overhead etc |
| 09:45.40 | mernil | I need a girlfriend .. really .. for sex and for her cooking dinner |
| 09:45.42 | PleXuS | enouf, it wouldn't be so big |
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| 09:45.54 | enouf | then go for it |
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| 09:46.24 | mernil | but she has to be good looking! |
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| 09:47.08 | vvd | what does the ~etch1 after the version stand for? |
| 09:47.09 | mernil | most linux chicks is so ugly .. im sorry, but that's often how they are |
| 09:47.33 | mernil | fat, and they cant dress with style |
| 09:48.08 | sep | mernil, and your brad pitt ? or something |
| 09:48.16 | N3bunel | saluta |
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| 09:48.27 | mernil | sep: absolutlu not :-) |
| 09:49.40 | mernil | well, it's the heart that matters i suppose! |
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| 09:50.10 | sep | a better approch imho |
| 09:50.15 | mernil | im no "brad pitt" you see! :-) |
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| 09:50.52 | vi390 | does someone know of a tool, to check image files (jpg,png,tiff) for integrity and that its not corrupt. Something in commandline batchmode. |
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| 09:53.08 | mernil | i think im getting altzheimers .. cant remember anything :-( |
| 09:53.42 | mernil | like vi390 question .. i know a good tool, but i cant remember it's name |
| 09:53.59 | mernil | that hash tool |
| 09:54.34 | mernil | cant remember |
| 09:54.43 | vi390 | hmm |
| 09:54.45 | vi390 | :-) |
| 09:55.15 | Raging_Hog | file shows up some corrupt images but probably not very reliably |
| 09:55.19 | vi390 | I know this state. and I cured it with a local Wikimedia install :-) |
| 09:55.21 | vi390 | so far |
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| 09:56.20 | vi390 | hmm well It just happens , that files are somehow corrupted, and I want to know if that happens |
| 09:57.29 | vi390 | hmm somebody must have thought about integrity checks of imagefiles ... |
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| 10:00.13 | mhymn | vi390: 'identify' might help! |
| 10:01.52 | Raging_Hog | I tried file just now but it really isn't that reliable. I edited a jpg with vim and it didn't see it's corrupt(or didn't see it's an image if touched the top part of it) |
| 10:02.01 | Raging_Hog | *if I touched |
| 10:02.38 | Raging_Hog | what mhymn said, identify from imagemagick might be the right thing |
| 10:03.37 | mhymn | vi390: you need to install imagemagick suit of tools first. |
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| 10:04.17 | vi390 | mhymn: aa I already have. Just loloking through the man page, seems what I was looking for |
| 10:05.02 | vi390 | just have to find out how this works |
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| 10:10.03 | pumpkin0 | i need to extract a file from a email. the email is stored as .mbs and contains a message and a 4MB file. i know it is possible, but i cannot remember the program i used last time ... thanks. |
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| 10:10.23 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 10:10.45 | uzbek | how can i know what version of a particular package is installed? |
| 10:11.36 | bokbaard | aptitude show <foo> i suppose? |
| 10:11.40 | uzbek | #flood just test |
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| 10:12.33 | Raging_Hog | also this might or might not work(check the flags of aptitude listing): aptitude search foo | grep "^i" |
| 10:14.16 | uzbek | bokbaard, thanx it did the job, Raging_Hog thanx :) |
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| 10:20.51 | UnixD | I'm trying to build a custom deb package but when I run debuild -us -uc I get 'W: pkgname: executable-not-elf-or-script ./etc/pkg.conf' the problem is the original version isn't +x, only the version added under debian/ by the debuild is. Any pointers for where I should be looking? |
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| 10:23.09 | vi390 | can I md5 check a whole directory tree ? and with what ? |
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| 10:25.24 | UnixD | vi390 - find -type f | xargs md5sum |
| 10:26.11 | vi390 | UnixD: thanks |
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| 10:38.20 | themill | UnixD: what's in the file that is +x? |
| 10:38.58 | themill | UnixD: I presume it's a config file that *shouldn't* be +x. |
| 10:41.25 | UnixD | Yep, it's a blank file (commented lines and whitespace) |
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| 10:41.55 | UnixD | The cronjob gets the permissions set correctly but the conf doesn't. |
| 10:41.55 | themill | UnixD: how is it being copied in? Using the upstream "make install" or using dh_install or similar? |
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| 10:42.37 | UnixD | Makefile - although dh_install does get run when i debuild |
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| 10:43.16 | UnixD | I looked at dh_fixperms but that doesn't seem to fix raw configfiles |
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| 10:43.56 | themill | UnixD: presumably, the "make install" target is installing it with +x. You might want to double check that. The easiest way to fix this might be to add chmod -x /etc/pkg.conf to the appropriate target in debian/rules. |
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| 10:44.25 | JustSoul | I have problem with USB on some PCs (i815E): USB ports are not powered, and devices don't detecting at all; in BIOS everything ok; USB works at MS Windows. How to fix it? |
| 10:44.44 | themill | UnixD: It's crude but effective. |
| 10:44.50 | intheboat | how can know if my bluetooth device is reconized by my debian etch or kernel |
| 10:44.54 | UnixD | That's the thing, I can chmod it after but I can't work out where it's getting added, the install line is just 'install $(CONFDIR)/frdns.conf $(DESTDIR)/$(CONFDIR)' |
| 10:45.03 | UnixD | - from the makefile |
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| 10:45.24 | UnixD | And the source isn't +x |
| 10:45.38 | themill | UnixD: the default mode that install uses is 0755, I believe. |
| 10:46.02 | UnixD | Ah, |
| 10:46.57 | UnixD | You're right - I was assuming it was debuild magic rather than 'set permission mode (as in chmod), instead of rwxr-xr-x' |
| 10:47.52 | themill | debuild really only calls things in debian/rules for the build. It's fairly sane that way. The magic is only in the diffing and archiving that it does. |
| 10:48.26 | UnixD | That's one of the reasosn I wanted to fix this properly,, working out where the bits live in the toolchain is good for my mental framework. |
| 10:48.34 | UnixD | That fixed it, thanks. |
| 10:49.02 | UnixD | One warning left and lintian and linda are happy :) |
| 10:49.19 | themill | UnixD: excellent. Properly fixing things is usually worth it :) |
| 10:50.03 | themill | UnixD: BTW the newer version of lintian from sid adds a lot more warnings (and removes a lot of false positives). It might be worth looking at it. Also, as part of that, linda is deprecated (removed, even?). |
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| 10:50.27 | themill | !info linda sid |
| 10:50.46 | themill | [11:50] <dpkg> Package 'linda' does not exist. |
| 10:51.07 | UnixD | Ah, I'll have to have a look at how hard it'd be to grab the one from sid for etch. Making linda check it was two lines in the .devscript.conf file so I thought why not. Anything that can catch my mistakes before a person sees them :) |
| 10:51.50 | themill | absolutely! |
| 10:51.56 | themill | !tell UnixD about ssb |
| 10:52.01 | themill | !tell UnixD about mentors |
| 10:52.47 | UnixD | The mentors stuff is interesting - thanks. |
| 10:53.00 | themill | UnixD: join us on #d-mentors (on oftc) for these sorts of questions. It's OK when things are quiet in here as they are now, but in depth packaging discussions are often too hard when the trolls come out to play and want help with their ubuntu machines.... |
| 10:53.19 | UnixD | oftc? |
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| 10:54.19 | UnixD | Ah, the other irdc network - got you |
| 10:54.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyone know why the python packages in debian ship windows compatible .exe files to install python? isnt that slightly redundant? (eg /usr/lib/python2.4/distutils/command/wininst-6.exe) |
| 10:55.39 | themill | UnixD: yes. the "other" one... |
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| 10:56.16 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: are they for helping package up and deploy python extensions to other machines? |
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| 10:57.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill, no idea. all i know is they come from the python2.4 package (dpkg -S says so anyway) |
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| 10:59.29 | themill | Kamping_Kaiser: it appears so http://www.python.org/sigs/distutils-sig/ |
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| 11:00.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | themill, hm. supprised thier not a seperate package. thanks for that :) |
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| 11:02.36 | Skratz0r | !security |
| 11:02.36 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ends March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 11:02.42 | Skratz0r | !gender |
| 11:02.42 | dpkg | I'm male |
| 11:02.46 | Skratz0r | LIES. |
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| 11:03.14 | streuner | !literal gender |
| 11:03.14 | dpkg | "gender" is "<reply> I'm (gay|lesbian|female|sexless|male|hermaphroditic|pregnant|not sure)" |
| 11:03.28 | Skratz0r | Hah |
| 11:03.30 | Skratz0r | !<reply> lol |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/smbprint' returned no results. |
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| 11:06.40 | benjick | Oh hi |
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| 11:07.16 | benjick | I'm having trouble reaching my debian box inside my network using the hostname, i'm guessing i need a dns-server |
| 11:07.42 | benjick | I've installed bind9 and i've tried to configure it but i'm kinda lost |
| 11:07.49 | benjick | Anyone wanna help me further? |
| 11:08.47 | Old_Fogie | benjick, look into you /etc/hosts file from 'man hosts' |
| 11:10.09 | benjick | yeah, i've added 127.0.0.1 myhostname as i understood it should be |
| 11:10.39 | Old_Fogie | benjick, did you add the other computer to the hosts file yet? |
| 11:10.55 | benjick | Uhm, no, i need that? |
| 11:11.31 | Old_Fogie | benjick, are you looking to let's say be on one pc, type the name of the other pc into address bar? or ping xyz.com on you lan |
| 11:11.52 | Old_Fogie | if so then yes you do the /etc/hosts file editing |
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| 11:12.22 | benjick | The first; typing my debian hostname in the adress bar |
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| 11:12.38 | Old_Fogie | benjick, for localhost or a different pc? |
| 11:12.44 | benjick | Different |
| 11:12.52 | benjick | I have a PC with windows installed at it |
| 11:13.05 | benjick | I can reach my debian box with the internal IP 10.1.x.x |
| 11:13.13 | benjick | But not with my hostname |
| 11:13.15 | Old_Fogie | benjick, then yes you'd simply add the other pc ip address and name in the /etc/hosts file of the pc you're trying to access the other from. |
| 11:13.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | benjick: Sounds like a job for zeroconf! |
| 11:13.47 | benjick | Do i need to do that with all the computer i want to be able to reach my debianbox with it's hostname? |
| 11:14.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | No, but it makes it a hell of a lot easier. |
| 11:14.15 | Old_Fogie | heh, I was thinking the same thing :D |
| 11:14.26 | benjick | Blast_Hardcheese: Just wikid zeroconf, i'll try that |
| 11:14.29 | benjick | Thanks both of you :) |
| 11:14.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | Installing zeroconf on both machines means I can say ssh games10.local even with self-assigned IPs and get my box. |
| 11:15.17 | benjick | So, if i got the text right |
| 11:15.38 | benjick | Zeroconf makes my debianbox reachable thru its hostname in my local network? |
| 11:15.46 | Old_Fogie | benjick, it's not as hard as it seems :D , really it's just a quick 'nano /etc/hosts' and add in there '192.xxx.xxx.xxx hostname.domain' and done. |
| 11:15.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | yessir. hostname.local |
| 11:16.23 | benjick | .local, oh |
| 11:16.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | Learning about /etc/hosts is a good idea too though. |
| 11:16.39 | benjick | Old_Fogie: Hm, what if my friends bring their computers over, i have to add them as well? |
| 11:16.46 | benjick | Blast_Hardcheese: Yeah, i got that now for sure :D |
| 11:17.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | benjick: If they have zeroconf installed, friendsmachine.local |
| 11:17.22 | Old_Fogie | benjick, yes if you want that name resolution unless if you did go the zeroconf route, which i dont/wont use. |
| 11:17.45 | benjick | No, i can't ask everybody to use zeroconf |
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| 11:18.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | Old_Fogie: What's wrong with zeroconf? |
| 11:18.42 | Old_Fogie | I just prefer less daemons is all, nothing against it. |
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| 11:18.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | Ah, I see |
| 11:19.02 | Old_Fogie | I run very old harware hee hee |
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| 11:19.25 | benjick | I did this |
| 11:19.25 | benjick | 10.1.4.40 HAKKERLOL.vxo.johnbauer.nu HAKKERLOL |
| 11:19.33 | benjick | (No, i didn't name the computer) |
| 11:19.41 | benjick | The IP is the windowsbox |
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| 11:20.41 | Old_Fogie | benjick, yeah that should do it. |
| 11:20.57 | benjick | sweet |
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| 11:21.05 | benjick | And i saved it |
| 11:21.07 | Old_Fogie | benjick, you dont need to restart anything that should be instantaneous |
| 11:21.18 | benjick | Just what i was gonna ask :D |
| 11:21.20 | Old_Fogie | benjick, you can test it now with 'ping HAKKERLOL" |
| 11:21.40 | Old_Fogie | assuming you allow ping on that box, and your pc there it should work. |
| 11:21.49 | benjick | Can't i do 10.1.x.x/24 something? |
| 11:21.52 | Old_Fogie | which on a lan should be fine :D |
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| 11:22.50 | Old_Fogie | benjick, name a whole IP range? |
| 11:23.29 | benjick | Wait, should that ip be my own ip-adress? |
| 11:23.44 | Old_Fogie | benjick no your's is already setup for you when you installed debian. |
| 11:23.57 | benjick | Yeah, 127.0.0.1 is setup |
| 11:24.05 | Old_Fogie | benjick, but to add other pc's on your lan, you need to add them one by one. |
| 11:24.26 | benjick | ok |
| 11:24.28 | benjick | so; |
| 11:24.45 | benjick | my.other.computer.ip myhostname |
| 11:24.51 | Old_Fogie | no |
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| 11:25.41 | Old_Fogie | IP.other.pc otherpcname.domain otherpcname |
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| 11:25.55 | benjick | ohhh |
| 11:26.05 | benjick | makes sense now |
| 11:26.08 | Old_Fogie | the other pc is all on it's own line |
| 11:26.13 | Old_Fogie | separate from your's |
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| 11:26.22 | Old_Fogie | you wouldnt want to confuse your pc now would you? :D |
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| 11:27.33 | Old_Fogie | benjick, this is a small lan, a few pc's that'll do for a big lan then you get into dns servers and what not. |
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| 11:28.59 | benjick | Ohhh |
| 11:29.00 | benjick | ok |
| 11:29.03 | benjick | i think i get it |
| 11:29.03 | benjick | :D |
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| 11:31.43 | benjick | ok |
| 11:31.50 | benjick | this should do it? |
| 11:31.54 | benjick | 127.0.1.1 HAKKERLOL.vxo.johnbauer.nu HAKKERLOL |
| 11:31.54 | benjick | 10.1.4.40 CNU5290HWM.vxo.johnbauer.nu CNU5290HWM |
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| 11:32.40 | hellues | i cannot find my public_html folder |
| 11:32.45 | Old_Fogie | benjick, the 127.0.1.1 <---- you mean 127.0.0.1 right? and if so you should have *nothing" next to it. |
| 11:32.45 | hellues | i can see in gftp |
| 11:32.51 | hellues | but i cannot find that |
| 11:32.52 | daya | which pkgs shows the Debian menu in the Applications menu bar. |
| 11:32.55 | hellues | what can i do |
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| 11:33.31 | Old_Fogie | benjick, the 127.0.0.1 line should only be ... 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 11:33.35 | benjick | Old_Fogie: Hm, that was in the file before i edited |
| 11:33.41 | benjick | Old_Fogie: I have that one as well |
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| 11:34.08 | abrotman | daya: menu-xdg |
| 11:34.10 | Old_Fogie | benjick, some programs get confused if you put your pc's name in localhost, and also in the line corresponds to the external IP address of that same box. |
| 11:34.13 | abrotman | !menu |
| 11:34.13 | dpkg | i heard menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 11:34.23 | benjick | ok |
| 11:34.29 | benjick | I'll try some then come bug you again :) |
| 11:34.41 | Old_Fogie | uh-oh :D |
| 11:35.08 | daya | abrotman, I have menu-xdg installed , but it doesn't show it |
| 11:35.18 | abrotman | daya: show what? |
| 11:35.19 | hellues | i cannot find my public_html file |
| 11:35.20 | mysuppe | is there anyone succeeded beryl on dual headed xinerama? |
| 11:35.24 | abrotman | daya: and which version of debian? |
| 11:35.28 | abrotman | mysuppe: beryl is dead |
| 11:35.29 | hellues | why cant i find html file :D |
| 11:35.44 | abrotman | i know, but it would be rude to say |
| 11:35.48 | daya | abrotman, Do I need to have some setting, shows the Debian menu in Applications, lenny |
| 11:35.53 | abrotman | daya: it's gone |
| 11:35.59 | abrotman | 99% sure |
| 11:36.09 | mysuppe | abrotman: hmm...you do you mean by "dead"? |
| 11:36.22 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 11:36.22 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of <Compiz>. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
| 11:36.26 | abrotman | bah ... |
| 11:36.35 | abrotman | beryl has been rolled back into Compiz |
| 11:36.37 | daya | abrotman, you mean in lenny it is no more available |
| 11:36.42 | abrotman | now called Compiz fusion |
| 11:36.52 | abrotman | daya: 99% sure it's gone away |
| 11:37.09 | abrotman | daya: i rarely used mine, but I can't recall saying that i've seen it in months |
| 11:37.24 | mysuppe | abrotman: ok. anyhow..did you succeeded xinerama using compiz fusion? |
| 11:37.35 | abrotman | no idea .. i'm just saying that beryl has gone away |
| 11:37.35 | daya | abrotman, ok thanks a lot |
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| 11:37.59 | abrotman | daya: maybe check the menu-xdg news/changelog |
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| 11:43.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | Probably not the best time to ask, but anyone have any ideas why nfs-kernel-server would suddenly decide to die when I started heavy filesystem access on the share? |
| 11:43.57 | abrotman | ask again in five minutes .. it's breakfast time! |
| 11:44.07 | Lagbolt | Blast_Hardcheese, um that is pretty vague |
| 11:44.07 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: there is also a user-space kernel server |
| 11:44.29 | Lagbolt | just died. check logs? error message? anything? |
| 11:45.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | Lagbolt: Killed everything using the disk, killed all machines connected to the share |
| 11:45.14 | Blast_Hardcheese | Where would I find the log? |
| 11:45.21 | Lagbolt | killed the machines connected to the share? |
| 11:45.23 | abrotman | killled the cilent machines? or killed the clients? |
| 11:45.28 | Lagbolt | how does it do that? lol |
| 11:45.37 | abrotman | Lagbolt: POE can kill! |
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| 11:45.58 | Lagbolt | kern log is prob a good place to start |
| 11:46.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | NFS has this amazing ability to lock up machines trying to access the share when it goes down |
| 11:46.41 | Blast_Hardcheese | Apr 23 04:38:03 localhost kernel: nfs: server 127.0.0.1 not responding, still trying // Apr 23 04:38:03 localhost last message repeated 31 times |
| 11:46.59 | Blast_Hardcheese | Oh, |
| 11:47.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | Apr 22 19:04:53 localhost kernel: eth1394: No more tlabels left while sending to node 0-01:1023 |
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| 11:47.24 | abrotman | well duh! |
| 11:47.31 | Blast_Hardcheese | Hmm? |
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| 11:48.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | I don't really understand that, I know it has something to do with my FireWire card, not positive what the number on the end is |
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| 11:57.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: Would you be so kind as to enlighten me on what you were referring to with your "well duh!"? |
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| 12:01.51 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: sorry .. i was joking .. but it seems like the nfs server has died based on the nfs: server message ? |
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| 12:02.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | Yeah, |
| 12:02.35 | Blast_Hardcheese | It also looks like it's attempting to do something with my firewire card, despite the fact that I have no firewire clients connected to the server at the moment. |
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| 12:03.07 | abrotman | i'd scan the log some more and see if those messages always appear together |
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| 12:04.03 | Blast_Hardcheese | AH! |
| 12:04.05 | MaJ`work | hey, what distro should I use on the intel Q6600 processor? 1686 or amd64? |
| 12:04.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | I figured it out |
| 12:04.12 | Blast_Hardcheese | https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/bugme-new/2007-April/016168.html |
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| 12:06.08 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 12:06.25 | liable | hello person |
| 12:07.02 | abrotman | MaJ`work: that's up to you .. |
| 12:07.07 | Haris1 | Should it be a problem on the nat box, if multiple vpn clients connecting to the same vpn concentrator get the error message -> IKE Port in use - Local Port 0x5DE type messages |
| 12:07.13 | abrotman | MaJ`work: if it's a desktop, i'd likely use i386 |
| 12:07.37 | MaJ`work | yeh its just my desktop |
| 12:07.43 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: that's related to your nfs ? |
| 12:07.51 | abrotman | MaJ`work: and you want stuff like java and flash ? |
| 12:08.06 | MaJ`work | i might use them one day, sure |
| 12:08.33 | abrotman | currently it's easier to do non-free stuff like java/flash/games on i386 |
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| 12:09.08 | MaJ`work | yeh not really into most of that, but I guess i might have a need one day |
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| 12:09.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: Apparently so, Somehow the box is sending stuff to the Firewire card which is choking |
| 12:09.19 | MaJ`work | thanks abrotman |
| 12:09.41 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: turn it off in the BIOS ? |
| 12:10.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | it's an extra card, doesn't show up in the BIOS |
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| 12:10.08 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 12:10.20 | abrotman | take it out? |
| 12:10.24 | Mazingaro | please shall I use smp kernel on ultra 10? (sparc processor) |
| 12:10.34 | abrotman | does it have more than one CPU ? |
| 12:10.52 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: I rather like my firewire card, it allows it to connect to the other machines on my network. |
| 12:11.06 | abrotman | okay |
| 12:11.11 | Mazingaro | abrotman: dunno |
| 12:11.36 | abrotman | Mazingaro: then try it and see what happens |
| 12:11.53 | Mazingaro | on my athlon, uname -a shows: Linux debian 2.6.22-3-k7 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 21:04:14 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 12:11.58 | abrotman | how can we tell you whether or not to use an SMP kernel if you don't know if it has more than one CPU ? |
| 12:12.05 | Mazingaro | but it's only an old athlon 800 |
| 12:12.13 | abrotman | your athlon's kernel is out of date |
| 12:12.15 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: the i386 linux images are smp enabled, no matter one or more cpus |
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| 12:12.53 | abrotman | Mazingaro: do you know what SMP means? |
| 12:13.13 | Mazingaro | abrotman: yes and you? |
| 12:13.25 | abrotman | i was just wondering |
| 12:13.39 | abrotman | normally when people ask if they should use SMP, they don't know what it means |
| 12:14.05 | Mazingaro | abrotman: I ask you because on i686 kernel, uname told me SMP... |
| 12:14.15 | streuner | SMP is default in Debian's kernel |
| 12:14.23 | tarzeau | streuner: not for sparc |
| 12:14.24 | abrotman | Mazingaro: as tarzeau mentioned, on etch+ all x86 kernels are SMP |
| 12:14.34 | Mazingaro | abrotman: even I'm on uniprocessor, so I was wondering if it is the same for sparc architecture |
| 12:14.36 | streuner | tarzeau: Who using sparc? :-P |
| 12:14.38 | tarzeau | streuner: me |
| 12:14.46 | streuner | well |
| 12:14.47 | Haris1 | any ideas? |
| 12:14.50 | Mazingaro | abrotman: ok, I didn't know that |
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| 12:14.56 | [BT]JaC | hi there |
| 12:14.59 | [BT]JaC | how do i create a link to a file |
| 12:15.03 | abrotman | Mazingaro: you could easily find out .. |
| 12:15.05 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: generally the smp kernels also run fine on single cpu machines |
| 12:15.09 | abrotman | [BT]JaC: man ln |
| 12:15.19 | [BT]JaC | eg in /home/user how can i create a link dir to /var/www/phpmyadmin |
| 12:15.22 | tarzeau | Mazingaro: that is true for linux. i think this could also be valid for gnu/kfreebsd |
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| 12:15.32 | abrotman | Mazingaro: look at the kernel config in /boot/ .. | grep CONFIG | grep SMP |
| 12:15.37 | abrotman | erm .. just grep SMP |
| 12:15.40 | Mazingaro | abrotman: now the problem is that 2.6.24-1 for sparc gave me problem with X, like Xf86MapPciMem |
| 12:15.53 | Mazingaro | abrotman: on 2.6.22 for sparc there's no problem... |
| 12:15.56 | abrotman | Mazingaro: that i don't know anything about |
| 12:15.57 | abrotman | !sparc |
| 12:15.57 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html, Type make vmlinux (not kernel, bzImage, lilo, anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help with Linux on SPARC look in #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net |
| 12:16.35 | streuner | well, tarzeau seems to be a sparc expert... |
| 12:16.40 | Mazingaro | #debian-sparc is empty :) |
| 12:16.58 | tarzeau | dpkg is wrong: SPARC architecture is fully open and non-proprietary. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
| 12:17.13 | streuner | tarzeau: so just change the factoid? |
| 12:17.22 | tarzeau | dpkg forget sparc |
| 12:17.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: it wasn't always |
| 12:17.45 | streuner | !factinfo sparc |
| 12:17.45 | dpkg | sparc -- created by KingNato <isildur@212.28.215.84> at Fri Jun 30 08:14:28 2000 (2854 days); last modified at Sat Sep 23 12:13:44 2000 by [spectre]!spectre@t3o317p90.teliauk.com; it has been requested 224 times, last by abrotman, 1m 48s ago. |
| 12:17.56 | abrotman | oh just leave it alone |
| 12:17.56 | streuner | hm, 8 years :-) |
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| 12:18.13 | abrotman | for the three sparc questions we get a month |
| 12:18.14 | tarzeau | dpkg sparc is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC |
| 12:18.14 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
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| 12:18.51 | streuner | tarzeau: try "dpkg, no sparc is <reply> blah blah |
| 12:18.58 | tarzeau | streuner: it's ok now |
| 12:19.03 | streuner | ok |
| 12:19.31 | abrotman | if someone owns a SPARC box, i really doubt they care if it's proprietary or not |
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| 12:20.03 | tarzeau | it was non-proprietary by 1989 already |
| 12:20.09 | tarzeau | according the wikipedia article |
| 12:20.36 | lastnode | generally, how long does it take for a kernel to get in to experimental? |
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| 12:20.52 | tarzeau | lastnode: a kernel doesn't ever have to go into experimental |
| 12:21.01 | abrotman | lastnode: the .25 isn't released yet |
| 12:21.10 | liable | isnt it in experimental? |
| 12:21.15 | tarzeau | liable: no |
| 12:21.20 | liable | you sure? |
| 12:21.23 | tarzeau | no |
| 12:21.33 | streuner | hehe |
| 12:21.42 | lastnode | tarzeau: gotcha |
| 12:21.43 | tarzeau | i just checked, and it seems not |
| 12:21.56 | lastnode | abrotman: ah ok, because i just compiled it myself, with debian diffs thrown in |
| 12:22.06 | lastnode | i was wondering when it'll get in to the repos |
| 12:22.07 | lastnode | :) |
| 12:22.22 | tarzeau | lastnode: soon |
| 12:22.26 | tarzeau | lastnode: we don't know |
| 12:22.32 | tarzeau | lastnode: you can always make your own |
| 12:22.34 | tarzeau | !make-kpkg |
| 12:22.34 | dpkg | hmm... make-kpkg is the tool that you use for compiling the kernel the Debian Way (tm). It makes a package for your custom kernel which you can install and remove easily using dpkg. See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html, man make-kpkg and ask me about <kernel compile> <kp mantra> <kernel build-deps>. |
| 12:22.39 | lastnode | tarzeau: that's what i did :) |
| 12:22.47 | lastnode | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.47 | lastnode | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.52 | tarzeau | lastnode: so did i, what new features do you need/use? |
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| 12:23.05 | lastnode | tarzeau: im just reading up on mode-switching. |
| 12:23.08 | lastnode | is a kernel newbie |
| 12:23.09 | tarzeau | lastnode: did you play w/ latencytop yet? |
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| 12:23.36 | lastnode | tarzeau: im just gonna reboot, compile my madwifi modules for it, and brb. would you be around? |
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| 12:23.48 | Zero_Dogg | is there any image that can be written to an USB stick that can be booted off to do a net install? |
| 12:23.56 | lastnode | tried from vanilla a while back and got kernel panic |
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| 12:24.04 | tarzeau | lastnode: yes, but what would you need me for? |
| 12:24.21 | tarzeau | lastnode: i'm still waiting for nvidia, virtualbox, openafs modules to work with it... |
| 12:24.32 | lastnode | tarzeau: i dunno, just incase i break something. :P |
| 12:24.33 | lastnode | ok brb |
| 12:24.39 | lastnode | detaches remote screen |
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| 12:25.45 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: no way |
| 12:26.35 | zyx386 | install 7zip on debian |
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| 12:27.21 | abrotman | !tell zyx386 about grounding |
| 12:27.24 | abrotman | !tell zyx386 about search |
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| 12:27.51 | zyx386 | thanx abortman, that not new for me |
| 12:28.00 | abrotman | so maybe you should actually read it |
| 12:28.03 | zyx386 | i can search better than you |
| 12:28.07 | abrotman | oh really? |
| 12:28.19 | abrotman | at least i can find 7zip |
| 12:28.50 | zyx386 | ok |
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| 12:29.35 | bleck | apt |
| 12:29.43 | bleck | !hehstat |
| 12:29.59 | abrotman | bleck: the bots don't do that here |
| 12:30.21 | bleck | abrotman : haven't visited #debian in like 6 years. |
| 12:30.24 | lastnode | tarzeau: im getting a 'cannot sync to VFS, bad block on (0,0)' error, the same i got with teh vanill akernel |
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| 12:30.38 | bleck | wonders if greycat or xk are here.. |
| 12:30.42 | bvk | how do i send a msg to dpkg bot ? |
| 12:30.51 | bleck | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.51 | abrotman | bleck: xk comes around randomly .. greycat is no longer here |
| 12:30.54 | Mazingaro | tarzeau: :( |
| 12:31.00 | abrotman | !tell bvk about msg the bot |
| 12:31.00 | zyx386 | abrotman, i search for 7zip, i do'nt know under debian is P7zip ;) |
| 12:31.08 | abrotman | and now you know |
| 12:31.23 | abrotman | bleck: AFAIR .. the bots have never counted word stats |
| 12:31.32 | bvk | i was doing that, but it is not replying to me :( |
| 12:31.44 | bleck | abrotman : i think apt did |
| 12:31.48 | abrotman | bleck: let me rephrase dpkg(!) does not AFAIK ... apt(~) may |
| 12:31.52 | bleck | well, I know apt did |
| 12:31.56 | bvk | i guess something wrong with my irc client |
| 12:32.03 | abrotman | bvk: /msg dpkg hi |
| 12:32.13 | abrotman | apt: hehstats |
| 12:32.14 | apt | total count of heh on #debian: 20797. Top 3: fooz -- 1609 (7.7%), ILWM -- 1444 (6.9%), rahul -- 956 (4.6%) |
| 12:32.16 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:32.22 | abrotman | guess they're not updated anymore either |
| 12:32.25 | bleck | heh |
| 12:32.28 | bleck | sorry, had to |
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| 12:32.43 | abrotman | no one really uses apt(the bot) any more |
| 12:33.02 | bleck | ohhhh don't listen to him apt.. you're still useful. |
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| 12:33.21 | themill | zyx386: remarkably, "apt-cache search 7zip" would have told you that. |
| 12:33.24 | abrotman | he has uses .. but not many |
| 12:33.34 | abrotman | themill: don't worry .. he knows how to search better than you! |
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| 12:33.55 | themill | *sigh* |
| 12:34.04 | bleck | i think i used to use apt to search in debian packages.. or was that dpkg... |
| 12:34.16 | bleck | like for parts of a file. |
| 12:34.26 | abrotman | both do it |
| 12:34.35 | bleck | i think it did a zgrep of packages.gz or something |
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| 12:34.55 | bleck | good times.... good times.... |
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| 12:37.11 | bleck | now back to sitting idle in #debian.. I feel like one of the team again. |
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| 12:38.09 | tarzeau | bleck: what about fixing some bugs? |
| 12:38.16 | stevil | is there an easy way to jail sftp connections? |
| 12:38.25 | benjick | rbash? |
| 12:38.34 | zyx386 | rar most register after 40 days , and what about unrar is non-free to? |
| 12:38.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe you should fix some! |
| 12:38.45 | abrotman | zyx386: try it and see |
| 12:38.46 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm fixing bugs all the time |
| 12:39.12 | bleck | tarzeau : ok |
| 12:39.17 | bleck | like |
| 12:39.23 | tarzeau | bleck: here's the latest changes on the BTS: http://asdfasdf.debian.net/~tar/bts/ |
| 12:39.30 | zyx386 | thax, abrotman but i most register after 30 days or 40 days unrar to? |
| 12:39.38 | abrotman | check and see |
| 12:39.42 | bleck | whats bts? |
| 12:39.45 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 12:39.45 | dpkg | [unrar] a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
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| 12:39.46 | abrotman | !bts |
| 12:39.46 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 12:40.07 | zyx386 | thanx |
| 12:40.08 | liable | unrar doesnt ask for registration in debian |
| 12:40.23 | bleck | hey, how close are debian and ubuntu? |
| 12:40.29 | liable | not |
| 12:40.41 | tarzeau | bleck: about one week when not freezed |
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| 12:40.44 | bleck | like, does ubuntu use debian packages, do they share? |
| 12:40.58 | tarzeau | bleck: ubuntu syncs them from debian sid, weekly, when not frozen |
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| 12:41.31 | bleck | i see. |
| 12:41.31 | liable | yes, share like a politicion shares your taxes. |
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| 12:41.52 | abrotman | tarzeau: but that's not what they release and they have their own packages |
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| 12:42.01 | tarzeau | abrotman: true |
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| 12:42.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: try to not to be such a fanboi |
| 12:42.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: of what? |
| 12:42.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | abrotman: I think I figured it out, hopefully getting 2.6.24 fixes my problem |
| 12:42.32 | bleck | apart from the name, and some minor installation differences, I can't really see much difference.. |
| 12:42.33 | abrotman | Blast_Hardcheese: ok |
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| 12:42.39 | abrotman | bleck: quite a few differences |
| 12:42.53 | bleck | abrotman : point out the obvious ones for me. |
| 12:43.03 | tarzeau | bleck: debian has more developers. ubuntu has more users |
| 12:43.13 | tarzeau | !why debian |
| 12:43.13 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 12:43.22 | f00li5h | does anyone use an LG U880 for sending of SMS's? does it turn up as a USB serial device? |
| 12:43.46 | bleck | but from the actual software point of view, whats the main difference? |
| 12:43.50 | abrotman | bleck: they have their own kernel team |
| 12:44.15 | abrotman | bleck: they have their own desktop teams .. for things they champion such as gnome .. where their packages can be drastically different than debian's |
| 12:44.24 | abrotman | bleck: but if you want to know .. ask #ubuntu |
| 12:44.56 | themill | bleck: freeness and approach to non-free is a big philosophical difference. Their handling of modules, translations etc are also quite different. They have quite a lot of renamed packages. They have huge patches against a lot of debian packages; they have a 175kB diff against grub, for example. |
| 12:45.14 | abrotman | but that's okay .. tarzeau says there's no difference |
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| 12:45.20 | liable | did they release lauchpad source yet? |
| 12:45.27 | themill | hah! |
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| 12:46.48 | Bert_2 | hi, I am trying to play the linux game uplink on my dual-screen PC but I can't get it to use another resoltion then the one I'm on now (so both the screens) does anyone have any idea how I can fix that ? |
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| 12:47.50 | enouf | liable: lunchmeat? what? :-p |
| 12:48.07 | liable | !beat enouf |
| 12:48.07 | dpkg | beats enouf with a large stick. |
| 12:48.35 | abrotman | beef stick ? |
| 12:48.43 | enouf | what's that new fast gizmo startup subsystem .. upchuck? |
| 12:48.47 | abrotman | upstart |
| 12:48.48 | enouf | runs |
| 12:49.02 | liable | enouf: its stinks like rotten lunchmeat. using a free distro as a lauchpad*tm and not releasing source to its fucking launchpad thing.. |
| 12:49.09 | themill | startup smartup. Who reboots anyway? |
| 12:49.19 | lastnode | GFT |
| 12:49.23 | lastnode | *QFT even |
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| 12:49.29 | enouf | liable: it's "launch" as in "hurl" ;-) |
| 12:49.43 | bleck | does anyone here actually use "make config" rather than menuconfig or xconfig? |
| 12:49.49 | enouf | gah, 50 ain't bad |
| 12:49.52 | bleck | actually.. how do you use xconfig |
| 12:49.53 | liable | i think my 'n' key is going on strike.. |
| 12:50.00 | lastnode | bleck: i use menuconfig |
| 12:50.23 | liable | or maybe my brain is out to lunch |
| 12:50.24 | lastnode | abrotman: even witht eh debian patches, im getting a VFS error, bad blocks or something. could you sned me your .25 .config? |
| 12:50.26 | bleck | yeah, i use menuconfig every time, make config looks like it'd take forever to answer |
| 12:50.26 | enouf | !poll |
| 12:50.26 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 12:50.34 | abrotman | lastnode: i don't have .25 |
| 12:50.37 | abrotman | anywhere |
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| 12:50.52 | abrotman | and i don't have a .24 local .. but you can easily get that yourself |
| 12:50.55 | bleck | !stopbitchingabouteverythingusingabot |
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| 12:51.12 | liable | !irritate bleck |
| 12:51.12 | dpkg | bleck: wenas how can I make my libranet werkz lol |
| 12:51.25 | Linuturk | has anyone here put debian on the Everex cloudbook? |
| 12:51.37 | bleck | good work dpkg |
| 12:52.04 | enouf | everex? the battery manu? |
| 12:52.18 | abrotman | Linuturk: /msg dpkg laptop .. might be a link there |
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| 12:54.22 | michael__ | hi everyone |
| 12:54.28 | bleck | hi micheal__ |
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| 12:54.53 | michael__ | does anybody know how to "unlock" higher resolutuons in KDE? |
| 12:55.05 | bleck | michael__ : xconfig? |
| 12:55.34 | margiolas | option domain-name "margiolas.com"; |
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| 12:55.59 | margiolas | option domain-name "margiolas.com"; |
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| 12:56.12 | margiolas | option domain-name "margiolas.com"; |
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| 12:56.49 | abrotman | margiolas: STOP PASTING |
| 12:56.52 | margiolas | i gave this configuration at dhcpd.conf and when i tried to restart the dhcp server i took the errot that is missing a semicolon at line with the arrange |
| 12:57.09 | margiolas | abrotman: sorry my mouse leaks... |
| 12:57.11 | bleck | margolias: #flood or somehting |
| 12:57.20 | abrotman | michael__: are they defined in your xorg.conf or does your X log mention them? |
| 12:57.22 | abrotman | margiolas: that's bullshit |
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| 12:58.43 | abrotman | michael__: if your X log doesn't mention anything to do with higher resolutions, kde isn't going to be able to do much |
| 12:59.07 | michael__ | abrotman: the WERE defined in the xorg.conf. but somehow KDE tried to render a 800x600 image on 1024x768..so every line was strangely "offset" an i couldn't do anything! so i limited the available resolutions to 1024 and it fixed it...bt now KDE runs only on 800 |
| 12:59.13 | bleck | michael__ : cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -i Modes |
| 12:59.30 | abrotman | most confs don't have mode lines |
| 12:59.48 | abrotman | michael__: which driver are you using? |
| 12:59.52 | bleck | abrotman : really.. wow.. i've missed a few years. |
| 13:00.33 | michael__ | standart Vesa |
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| 13:00.40 | abrotman | bleck: apparently your Linux knowledge is still from six years ago :0 |
| 13:00.41 | abrotman | :) |
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| 13:01.00 | bleck | abrotman : well, last time I used x, yeah |
| 13:01.11 | abrotman | you mean XF86 ? |
| 13:01.37 | zyx386 | abrotman, thanx you , you are the Best ;) |
| 13:01.42 | MaliutaLap | how does X knowledge (or any specific software knowledge) relate to Linux knowledge? |
| 13:01.52 | abrotman | anyways |
| 13:02.00 | abrotman | michael__: what is your video card? |
| 13:02.33 | michael__ | oh you're asking questions :D this is an pretty old IBM laptop i use becaus my PC finaly died :D |
| 13:02.49 | abrotman | is it S3 stuff? |
| 13:02.54 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
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| 13:03.39 | lastnode | michael__: if it's old, your driver shoulde definitely be supported |
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| 13:03.53 | michael__ | jepp S3 Savage |
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| 13:04.05 | vizzy | hi, the following problem: http://pastebin.com/d1b57663c |
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| 13:04.14 | abrotman | michael__: there is an s3 savage driver in etch IIRC |
| 13:05.08 | michael__ | i don't believe it's a driver issue...it always worked fine |
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| 13:05.35 | lastnode | michael__: oh i used to haev a savage s3 on my old box it never worked with *nix. hope you have better luck. |
| 13:05.36 | abrotman | then what changed? |
| 13:05.48 | abrotman | lastnode: /msg dpkg s3 :) |
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| 13:06.17 | lastnode | abrotman: that box is teh b0rked now :) |
| 13:07.05 | michael__ | afk for a sec |
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| 13:08.07 | liable | vizzy: though dmesg says it should exist, is the device there in /dev? |
| 13:08.08 | ivh | how do I find out which version of a software was installed until a recent upgrade? (in lenny, its about moinmoin and its data migration) |
| 13:08.23 | liable | vizzy: does dmesg say anything after trying to mount? |
| 13:08.35 | abrotman | ivh: you can check your /var/log/dpkg.log and see which versions it's been mucking with |
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| 13:08.54 | vizzy | liable, oh, no the device did not exists in /dev, dmesg does not say about mounting it |
| 13:09.10 | vizzy | i guess its udev related? :> |
| 13:09.17 | abrotman | ivh: the packages.qa.debian.org site might also help |
| 13:09.26 | ivh | abrotman: thanks, I should have thought of that :) |
| 13:09.28 | liable | vizzy: odd though |
| 13:09.51 | vizzy | no other output from dmesg as i pastebinned :( |
| 13:10.40 | liable | vizzy: what devices do ou have in there ? |
| 13:10.51 | liable | vizzy: maybe udev renamed it |
| 13:11.28 | michael__ | re |
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| 13:12.48 | vizzy | liable, i added ls -al /dev in http://pastebin.com/d599df637 , but i see no unusual devices |
| 13:13.51 | michael__ | abrotman: i remember changing the Gamma-value but didn't reboot yesterday. thats all i did |
| 13:14.18 | liable | vizzy: whats sda? |
| 13:14.32 | vizzy | sda is my first sata drive |
| 13:14.41 | vizzy | 1 sata 80gb, 1 ide 40gb |
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| 13:16.17 | justin | vizzy: did you remove udev or something? |
| 13:16.29 | vizzy | no |
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| 13:17.01 | vizzy | i installed a week ago, and did no special setups for now |
| 13:17.10 | assasukasse | hi, how can i debug a reverse ssh connection? |
| 13:17.24 | assasukasse | and how can i disable known_hosts check? |
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| 13:18.25 | vizzy | assasukasse, http://mctalby.mc.man.ac.uk/~mc/_unix_security/diagnostic_forensic_tools.html |
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| 13:18.53 | \amethyst | assasukasse: for the second question, and ssh_config and look for StrictHostKeyChecking. It defaults to 'ask', you maybe want 'no' |
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| 13:19.27 | \amethyst | assasukasse: setting that would make you vulnerable to a theoretical man-in-the-middle-attack |
| 13:19.28 | assasukasse | \amethyst: thanks, i tought it was in sshd_config so i was getting crazy! |
| 13:19.47 | \amethyst | assasukasse: it's the client that checks, hence it's in the client config |
| 13:19.52 | m_dige | Any experts in ghostscript in here ? someone who knows wheter to use the package gs or ghostscript ? |
| 13:20.22 | m_dige | seems to me that ghostscript is to replace gs ? |
| 13:20.26 | assasukasse | \amethyst: thanks alot, i've been having problem with known_hosts deny of connection...and i am using RSA keys... |
| 13:20.30 | stew | !depends gs |
| 13:20.41 | m_dige | !depends gs |
| 13:20.44 | dpkg | gs: depends on ghostscript, ghostscript-x |
| 13:20.46 | dpkg | gs: depends on ghostscript, ghostscript-x |
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| 13:20.50 | stew | m_dige: gs is just a dummy package which install ghostscript |
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| 13:21.29 | stew | m_dige: apt-cache show gs |
| 13:21.31 | m_dige | stew: okay. But ghostscripts is only available in unstable as far as I can see |
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| 13:22.59 | vizzy | mknod was the command to add devices in /dev ? |
| 13:24.04 | \amethyst | m_dige: in etch or lenny you want gs-esp (the CUPS version) or gs-gpl (the standard version). Etch also has gs-afpl (the non-free Aladdin version) |
| 13:24.09 | stew | m_dige: yes, in stable and testing, the package is still called gs |
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| 13:24.46 | stew | vizzy: yes, however, most people run udev these days, in which case you shouldn't be running mknod |
| 13:25.03 | vizzy | stew, i did not disable udev. |
| 13:25.18 | vizzy | but udev does not create sdb1 it seems, whyever |
| 13:25.33 | m_dige | stew: okay so if I have ghostscript installed I must have screwed something up. I'm running testing |
| 13:26.34 | abrotman | m_dige: which version do you have installed? |
| 13:27.10 | stew | vizzy: most likely you need to load a driver, or sdb1 isn't the correct device name |
| 13:30.54 | m_dige | abrotman: 8.61.dfsg |
| 13:31.23 | m_dige | abrotman: what is dfsg actually an abreviation for ? |
| 13:31.32 | abrotman | !dfsg |
| 13:31.32 | dpkg | i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 13:31.49 | abrotman | m_dige: somehow you got a sid ghostscript in your lenny |
| 13:31.49 | vizzy | stew, look at the pastebin, dmesg reports sdb1, also fdisk reports sdb1 |
| 13:32.02 | abrotman | near as i can tell anyway |
| 13:32.05 | vizzy | http://pastebin.com/d599df637 |
| 13:32.08 | abrotman | !info ghostscript sid |
| 13:32.10 | dpkg | ghostscript: (The GPL Ghostscript PostScript/PDF interpreter), section text, is optional. Version: 8.62.dfsg.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 775 kB, Installed size: 3552 kB |
| 13:32.16 | bleck | abrotman : good work on helping people. |
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| 13:32.26 | stew | m_dige: 'dfsg' in the version string means that the upstream sources had something removed in order to comply with the debian free software guidelines |
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| 13:32.33 | vizzy | oh, now my sdb1 has gone in fdisk |
| 13:32.36 | m_dige | stew:okay |
| 13:33.35 | stew | vizzy: does "fdisk -l" list it? does "ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/" ? |
| 13:34.16 | vizzy | stew, this is the output of fdisk -l :) but now its no more listed there |
| 13:34.33 | vizzy | will "aptitude remove udev" cause big problems in debian etch4? |
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| 13:34.40 | enouf | hrm usb attached CF card reader? |
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| 13:34.55 | vizzy | i would prefer not to use udev, i had too many confusions in the past with udev |
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| 13:35.03 | vizzy | enouf, yes |
| 13:35.35 | enouf | start modprobing stuff like mmc-core, usb_storage, sr_mod, sg, scsi_mod |
| 13:35.47 | rhineheart_m | hello.. I've been trying to look around in getting debian OS. I will install it for server.. can anybody here help me to the right link? I installed and burn one iso before but it was frustrating.. it's not bootable |
| 13:35.55 | stew | vizzy: you'd have to install yaird and remake your initrd with yaird. if you then try to reboot and you get errors booting, yaird is the thing to blame (it is not as well maintained as initramfs-tools which depends on udev) |
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| 13:36.16 | sawyer_ | hey everyone |
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| 13:36.32 | andy5635353 | hi, is there a homeip.net dyndns script to auto update in the apt-get repository? |
| 13:36.46 | vizzy | stew, so that means my system now depends on udev heavily? |
| 13:37.01 | stew | vizzy: you might try running udevmonitor or lshal --monitor while you unplug and re-plug your drive |
| 13:37.04 | sawyer_ | i accidentally installed plan9 files and they overwrote a few major binaries like "awk", "sed", "date", "echo", etc. |
| 13:37.20 | vizzy | ok, i'll do some debugging |
| 13:37.22 | sawyer_ | when i try to do aptitude reinstall <package> it does not overwrite the files |
| 13:37.25 | stew | vizzy: if you are using a debian kernel, you are probably using it to boot your system. |
| 13:37.26 | sawyer_ | why is that and how can i change it? |
| 13:38.02 | vizzy | stew, yes i use a debian kernel |
| 13:38.19 | stew | vizzy: you can run "aptitude --simulate remove udev" to see what else is depending on udev |
| 13:38.43 | vizzy | great, thx |
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| 13:39.30 | enouf | vizzy: i'm not sure which gadget accepts/needs which modules, but does MMC fall into CF card category? if so, there's mmc_block as well to modprobe - run udevtrigger, file -s /dev/sdb1 |
| 13:39.37 | rhineheart_m | hello.. I've been trying to look around in getting debian OS. I will install it for server.. can anybody here help me to the right link? I installed and burn one iso before but it was frustrating.. it's not bootable |
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| 13:40.49 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 13:40.49 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 13:41.05 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: burn the ISO at a slow speed |
| 13:41.11 | abrotman | like 4x or 8x |
| 13:41.29 | enouf | not having udev is not going to help you load specific needed modules for proprietary hardware that requires those |
| 13:41.32 | justin | rhineheart_m: how did you burn it? |
| 13:41.43 | rhineheart_m | I am downloading this one now: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso |
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| 13:42.11 | rhineheart_m | Is this the right one? BTW.. I simply used poweriso to burn the ISO |
| 13:42.51 | enouf | what's your hardware? |
| 13:43.06 | rhineheart_m | asus p4 |
| 13:43.12 | enouf | ok, sure |
| 13:43.49 | enouf | verify the md5sum (on windows there's md5summer and many othres) |
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| 13:44.13 | enouf | then just tell poweriso to "burn image" |
| 13:44.24 | enouf | (never used poweriso) |
| 13:44.35 | enouf | i've used nero and imgburn |
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| 13:47.22 | rhineheart_m | enouf, okay.. but is the link above the correct .iso image that I need? |
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| 13:47.36 | justin | rhineheart_m: do you have a fast internet connection? |
| 13:47.55 | rhineheart_m | yeah.. I do have.. up to 2 MBPS |
| 13:48.13 | enouf | rhineheart_m: looks correct from here |
| 13:48.33 | justin | rhineheart_m: ah, because you could also just get the netinstall image, or the usb disk image, and use that |
| 13:48.54 | rhineheart_m | enouf, I need only one image right? Again, I will use it for server.. no GUI |
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| 13:49.10 | enouf | rhineheart_m: climb one dir and grab the md5sum and/or sha* files |
| 13:49.13 | enouf | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
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| 13:49.41 | enouf | rhineheart_m: you could get away with netinstall, but 1st cd is fine |
| 13:50.22 | rhineheart_m | so you mean.. the one I am downloading is the correct one.. right? Thanks then |
| 13:50.40 | enouf | rhineheart_m: debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso 18-Feb-2008 15:16 160M |
| 13:50.57 | enouf | yep, it's correct if you want 32bit OS |
| 13:51.27 | Schmidt | I restarted a server recently running Debian etch stable and I get a "Unknown symbol in module tg3" error when booting (it boots fine, just that the network doesn't work). Any hints on how to fix this little issue ? |
| 13:51.51 | rhineheart_m | PC specs: P4 3.9 GHZ, 512 MB DDR1 RAM |
| 13:51.52 | enouf | rhineheart_m: if you want 64bit OS, you want the "amd64" arch |
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| 13:52.17 | enouf | either/or |
| 13:52.30 | rhineheart_m | which of the two is better? |
| 13:52.38 | enouf | you should read the i-g |
| 13:52.42 | enouf | depends |
| 13:52.49 | rhineheart_m | sorry.. I mean.. 3.0 GHZ P4 |
| 13:53.07 | enouf | yeah, i was like - we got an o/cer ricer |
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| 13:53.47 | rhineheart_m | It is now 3 % download... so, go ahead? |
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| 13:54.21 | ttyS1 | what do I need to install in order to run a java application on iceweasel ? |
| 13:54.23 | enouf | description: Broadcom Tigon3 ethernet driver |
| 13:54.38 | abrotman | !install java |
| 13:54.38 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. |
| 13:54.51 | enouf | nspluginwrapper? .. oh |
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| 13:55.46 | assasukasse | \amethyst: do u know how to check with netstat if there are ssh connectiong inbound on my machine? i know how to check all, but takes forever with netstat -t |
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| 13:56.21 | enouf | Schmidt: restarted, but had upgraded kernel and never restarted for a while? had a custom built tg3 module loaded for previous kernel? |
| 13:56.30 | stew | assasukasse: add -n |
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| 13:57.42 | assasukasse | thanks stew |
| 13:58.01 | Schmidt | enouf, had upgraded kernel, but the driver... hmm could have been custom built by HP... |
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| 13:59.27 | enouf | either rebuild it against new kernel, or look around for specific module params being loaded in maybe /etc/modprobe.d/name , /etc/modules , /etc/modules.conf, etc |
| 14:00.00 | abrotman | Schmidt: the old one should still be on your system ... check the name of it |
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| 14:00.21 | Schmidt | abrotman, the kernel you mean ..? |
| 14:00.31 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:00.37 | unixSnob | just booted debian for the first time, and the login screen is scrambled with colored garbage. Same thing happens when I boot a live ubuntu CD. |
| 14:00.38 | Schmidt | enouf, most thankful |
| 14:00.48 | Schmidt | and the same goes to you abrotman |
| 14:00.52 | unixSnob | how do I get into text mode from the login screen? |
| 14:01.01 | abrotman | unixSnob: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 14:01.03 | lastnode | unixSnob: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 14:01.05 | unixSnob | ty |
| 14:01.26 | Ivan_Shi | or ctrl+alt+f1/6 |
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| 14:01.58 | unixSnob | i noticed the same problem years ago w/ ubuntu.. hasn't been fixed for Oxygen gvx420 cards it seems |
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| 14:02.37 | enouf | Schmidt: did you build the kernel? is the new kernel's System.map file in /boot ? |
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| 14:06.18 | margiolas | how i can define the device to the dhcp server, i added the interfce at /etc/default/dhcp-3, but the problem stills |
| 14:07.28 | margiolas | i took : |
| 14:07.28 | margiolas | Not configured to listen on any interfaces! |
| 14:07.28 | margiolas | Apr 23 15:39:01 mclover /USR/SBIN/CRON[6447]: (root) CMD ( [ -x /usr/lib/php5/$ |
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| 14:10.14 | Schmidt | enouf, I didn't build the kernel myself |
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| 14:10.29 | Schmidt | but I ought to... |
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| 14:11.12 | enouf | well, is it a debian kernel? |
| 14:11.30 | abrotman | or check the BTS |
| 14:11.41 | Schmidt | enouf, yes it is. |
| 14:11.53 | abrotman | Schmidt: which kernel version? |
| 14:11.55 | jelly | Schmidt: uname -r |
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| 14:12.12 | Schmidt | 2.6.8-4-686-smp |
| 14:12.22 | abrotman | uhm .. that's not an etch kernel |
| 14:12.39 | Schmidt | hmm let me go over to the serverroom and double check |
| 14:12.45 | enouf | did he typo the 1? |
| 14:12.54 | abrotman | still wouldn't be -smp |
| 14:13.01 | enouf | eww |
| 14:13.25 | enouf | right - all are after .18 |
| 14:13.27 | jelly | Schmidt: that's a bit old sarge kernel. |
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| 14:13.39 | jelly | Schmidt: cat /etc/debian_release |
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| 14:13.53 | enouf | ye ol' hotplug / udev monster |
| 14:13.53 | jelly | er, |
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| 14:14.01 | enouf | haha |
| 14:14.04 | enouf | i do that to |
| 14:14.08 | jelly | Schmidt: cat /etc/debian_version, and also dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 14:14.10 | enouf | version |
| 14:14.24 | jelly | redhat_release, debian_version, meh |
| 14:14.27 | Schmidt | well, brb o/ |
| 14:14.44 | Schmidt | (it's a short walk to the server rroom thogu |
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| 14:15.14 | enouf | cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} get's almost all of everyone ;-) |
| 14:15.37 | enouf | er, gets |
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| 14:15.48 | jelly | iLO ftw |
| 14:16.00 | enouf | how the heck did get become possessive :-p |
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| 14:16.13 | Schmidt | enouf, i should use it :S |
| 14:16.19 | Rada | How do I figure out which SAS/SCSI/SATA/whatever driver I'm using? |
| 14:16.20 | jelly | !apostrophesmite enouf |
| 14:16.20 | dpkg | smite's enouf with a plague of extraneous apostrophe's. |
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| 14:16.51 | enouf | stores them in a box, and packages them up for resale |
| 14:17.01 | Skratz0r | Lol. |
| 14:17.26 | enouf | Rada: Motherboard manual, lspci |
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| 14:17.38 | Rada | enouf: yay |
| 14:17.39 | Rada | thanks |
| 14:17.49 | jelly | Rada: also, cat /sys/class/scsi_host/host?/proc_name |
| 14:18.03 | Schmidt | well, debian_version gives me 4.0 and libc6 gives me -> ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
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| 14:18.39 | enouf | try cat /proc/version |
| 14:18.48 | jelly | Schmidt: you probably want to install and use "linux-image-2.6-686" instead of that old kernel |
| 14:19.09 | jelly | Schmidt: what hardware is this? |
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| 14:19.22 | Schmidt | jelly, a HP Proliant DL380 |
| 14:19.25 | Schmidt | with SCSI |
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| 14:19.41 | jelly | Schmidt: DL380 G? ... which Generation? |
| 14:19.45 | Schmidt | g4 |
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| 14:20.00 | jelly | Schmidt: I think 2.6.18 tg3 will work fine with those |
| 14:20.10 | Schmidt | jelly, thanks :) |
| 14:20.10 | jelly | not too new ;-) |
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| 14:20.18 | vjoe | hello |
| 14:20.34 | soul9 | hey |
| 14:20.37 | jelly | Schmidt: and use iLO instead of going to the server room ;-) |
| 14:20.47 | vjoe | xsane only detects my scanner as root, how can I allow normal users to access it? |
| 14:21.01 | Schmidt | jelly, let's just say I am a junior sysadmin so I don't get flamed :P |
| 14:21.14 | soul9 | does anyone know what needs to be done to use grub on an lvm disk? |
| 14:21.39 | enouf | separate /boot partition, iinm |
| 14:21.51 | enouf | and initrd likely, yep |
| 14:21.57 | Schmidt | soul9, I use a small separate boot partition... |
| 14:22.04 | soul9 | ah |
| 14:22.06 | jelly | Schmidt: ah. well, I find ssh server.admin.iskon.hr -l Administrator; vsp easier than going there. Especially since it's raining outside and the server room is a 20 minute drive away |
| 14:22.09 | cloakable | I've recently got a RT61 card, but it's not associating with my wireless AP. I've downloaded and installed the firmware from ralink, compiled the driver, and the interface comes up ok, but doesn't associate with my AP. Scanning is also unreliable. Can anyone help? |
| 14:22.12 | soul9 | yeah, sounds logic |
| 14:22.15 | soul9 | but... |
| 14:22.35 | soul9 | now i have my lvm setup on the disk, can i resize it in some way? |
| 14:23.04 | enouf | add another disk ;-) |
| 14:23.07 | enouf | runs |
| 14:23.37 | enouf | you'll need it anyway eventually - that's what you're using lvm for :-) |
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| 14:23.46 | Schmidt | I have something bad to admit, I'm actually a gentoo guy ;P |
| 14:23.50 | jelly | Schmidt: the newer machines (your 380g4 I believe as well) have iLO2 which doesn't have console-over-ssh, but it has a nice virtual serial port that you can run a getty on. |
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| 14:24.01 | enouf | !comfort Schmidt |
| 14:24.01 | dpkg | There, there, Schmidt. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:24.35 | soul9 | enouf: :-) |
| 14:24.40 | zyx386 | how to install googletoolbar for iceweasel? |
| 14:24.46 | soul9 | no, that's not what i'm using it for heh |
| 14:25.03 | soul9 | i allready have 1TB, i don't need more disks xD |
| 14:25.21 | enouf | soul9: not even an itsy-bitsy one? :-P |
| 14:25.25 | Skratz0r | soul9; you always need more space.. |
| 14:25.27 | Skratz0r | ALWAYS. |
| 14:25.28 | abrotman | zyx386: google.com ? |
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| 14:25.49 | Skratz0r | Even if you didn't back up your entire pr0n collection twice onto that drive, you will need more space |
| 14:26.31 | soul9 | hah |
| 14:26.31 | zyx386 | abrotman, i search it, but right answer, i found it :( |
| 14:26.31 | enouf | soul9: figure out how to shrink it all then |
| 14:26.31 | soul9 | well, there's no more space |
| 14:26.37 | soul9 | and anyways, i should be able to resize the pv or? |
| 14:26.43 | soul9 | yeah |
| 14:26.45 | enouf | pv, vg, lv |
| 14:27.08 | jelly | in that order. and the paritition in the end |
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| 14:28.29 | nvti | zyx386: change 'general.useragent.extra.firefox' in about:config to "Firefox" |
| 14:28.49 | zyx386 | who? |
| 14:29.14 | zyx386 | in gconf? |
| 14:29.52 | nvti | zyx386: in the address bar, on Iceweasel, type about:config |
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| 14:29.59 | Hoxzer | I personally dont understand how people can use gmailfs. Everytime one tries to move a big file to it, it corrupts everything else on it. |
| 14:30.04 | zyx386 | ok |
| 14:30.07 | Hoxzer | :/ I rather use gspace |
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| 14:30.20 | nvti | zyx386: then where it says 'find' or 'search' type "useragent" |
| 14:30.36 | nvti | zyx386: change the value from Iceweasel to Firefox |
| 14:31.30 | zyx386 | thanx, but tah damaged my iceweasel |
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| 14:33.14 | nvti | zyx386: how did it damage it? |
| 14:33.33 | zyx386 | because the iceweasel is't firefox! |
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| 14:34.02 | nvti | zyx386: you have to change the useragent to firefox to get google toolbar |
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| 14:34.31 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 14:34.46 | nvti | hello |
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| 14:36.27 | enouf | dunno if you gmail, ff/iceweasel users can use this but http://dcc.vu/ubuntu-linux-file-send-link-with-gmail.html |
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| 14:37.27 | zyx386 | nvti that not currect, i change that to firefox but ican't still download the tollbar |
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| 14:37.58 | Haris1 | where can I find the kernel source for 2.6.25 ? |
| 14:38.18 | nvti | zyx386: restart the browser? what does it say when you try to download the toolbar? |
| 14:38.41 | zyx386 | nvti, is wrong |
| 14:39.02 | nvti | zyx386: it says "is wrong" |
| 14:39.10 | zyx386 | no |
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| 14:39.47 | benjamindees | Haris1, www.kernel.org, /join #kernel |
| 14:40.17 | zyx386 | said "google toll bar bla bla bla firefox 1.5 or later |
| 14:40.31 | Haris1 | benjamindees: I meant the kernel source with debian modifications |
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| 14:41.07 | Haris1 | or should I just grab the latest on kernel.org? |
| 14:41.28 | benjamindees | Haris1, it was released like two days ago; I don't believe it's in unstable yet |
| 14:41.49 | nvti | zyx386: have you restarted iceweasel? |
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| 14:42.01 | Haris1 | grabbing .25 from kernel.org |
| 14:42.21 | zyx386 | nvti, thanx, in need the google toolbar not :) thanx for you |
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| 14:47.47 | mo786 | HELOOOO0O0O0O0O0O0O0OO00O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0OO0O00O0O0O0O0OO0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O0O00O00O |
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| 14:49.43 | zyx386 | by all, and thanx nvti |
| 14:49.43 | mo786 | Y ARNT YOURL CHATTIN FAKAS |
| 14:49.44 | mooper | how do I find out the gateway address on an ethernet device? |
| 14:50.00 | hoxu | !ops mo786 being a moron |
| 14:50.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: mo786 being a moron |
| 14:50.02 | abrotman | mo786: do you have a question about Debian? |
| 14:50.03 | mo786 | phone telkom |
| 14:50.13 | mo786 | k sorry |
| 14:50.33 | mo786 | whats debian? |
| 14:50.39 | abrotman | !tell mo786 about debian |
| 14:50.58 | lastnode | mo786: ifconfig |
| 14:51.02 | lastnode | whoops |
| 14:51.03 | abrotman | lastnode: misfire |
| 14:51.03 | hoxu | !feed mo786 |
| 14:51.04 | dpkg | serves up a lovely steak and ale pie to mo786. |
| 14:51.04 | lastnode | bad tab complete |
| 14:51.09 | lastnode | mooper: ifconfig |
| 14:51.21 | twobitwork | which vnc server is recommended for LAN use? vnc4server or tightvncserver? |
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| 14:51.57 | mo786 | howcum ur text goes in diff colours |
| 14:52.06 | mo786 | i want myn in RED toooooooooo |
| 14:52.09 | benjamindees | twobitwork, vnc4server probably |
| 14:52.10 | mo786 | do 4me |
| 14:52.15 | Haris1 | !sotd mo786 |
| 14:52.16 | lastnode | sees a kick coming |
| 14:52.24 | mo786 | haw awwww |
| 14:52.28 | abrotman | mo786: either speak in english about debian ... or leave |
| 14:52.30 | mo786 | dont be a meany |
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| 14:52.52 | twobitwork | benjamindees: ok... just curious, mind explaining the difference? |
| 14:52.52 | mo786 | is debian a language? |
| 14:52.53 | lastnode | mooper: or route. |
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| 14:53.12 | jelly | !win stew |
| 14:53.13 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 14:53.25 | stew | mo786: try #defocus for general chit-chat. try #freenode for general help |
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| 14:55.01 | benjamindees | twobitwork, I have a feeling tightvnc is compatible with vnc4 clients, so there is probably no difference in practice; the difference is that tightvnc supports lower-speed connections with better encoding. |
| 14:55.19 | twobitwork | ahh, I see... ok, thanks |
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| 15:03.20 | lxsameer | hi , can any one tell me about swap that have a negative -p switch in /proc/swaps file? |
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| 15:05.50 | lynucs | hello |
| 15:05.55 | Schmidt | The easiest way to upgrade would booting a LiveCD and chrooting into the enviroment right? |
| 15:06.06 | Schmidt | s/upgrade/upgrade the kernl/ |
| 15:06.24 | lynucs | guys, does anyone know wether there is anywhere phpdocumentor for etch as deb? |
| 15:06.30 | chops | Schmidt: The easiest way to upgrade is to boot into the system and upgrade the kernel... |
| 15:06.46 | lynucs | seems not to be in the repo.. |
| 15:06.53 | chops | Schmidt: You may have special needs that mean you need to do it from a liveCD (such as that the system presently doesn't boot), of course |
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| 15:07.10 | Schmidt | chops, the network module does not load atm.. :) |
| 15:07.28 | Schmidt | (I screwed up a "little" bit) |
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| 15:07.40 | blsecres | anyone know of a console keymap for both dvorak and emacs? |
| 15:07.53 | lastnode | who uses dvorak anyway :P |
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| 15:08.08 | yang | Which is the java plugin for iceweasel ? I tried java-gcj-compat-plugin and java6-jre |
| 15:08.24 | craigevil | yang: sun-java6-plugin |
| 15:08.32 | yang | craigevil: thanks |
| 15:08.47 | stew | yang: or sun-java5-plugin or gcjwebplugin |
| 15:08.51 | chops | Schmidt: In that case, if you don't have a working kernel still around somewhere, a live CD is a good option |
| 15:08.59 | yang | No candidate version found for sun-java6-plugin |
| 15:09.18 | craigevil | try sun-java5-plugin if your on etch/lenny |
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| 15:09.40 | chops | yang: sun-java6-plugin is in etch; do you have non-free in sources.list? |
| 15:09.41 | blsecres | what package provides info files? |
| 15:09.49 | stew | chops: its not in etch |
| 15:10.02 | stew | its in lenny, sid and bpo |
| 15:10.08 | yang | i do |
| 15:10.08 | chops | stew, yang: Argh, sorry, yes it's not in etch |
| 15:10.16 | stew | well by 'in' i mean 'in non-free' |
| 15:10.29 | chops | I saw it in 'apt-cache search' and forgot I'd added backports |
| 15:10.37 | blsecres | for example, man cut says see info cut and info cut just dumps the man page |
| 15:10.38 | yang | sun-java5-plugin is not either |
| 15:10.48 | blsecres | not very useful |
| 15:10.56 | stew | yang: which arch are you on? |
| 15:11.01 | yang | amd64 |
| 15:11.18 | stew | yang: sun hasn't released a plugin for amd64 |
| 15:11.29 | yang | bloody assholes |
| 15:11.36 | themill | !java amd64 |
| 15:11.36 | dpkg | To run Sun Java as a plugin for your browser on amd64 machines, you need to create a 32bit chroot for the browser and the java plugin. Also ask me about <nspluginwrapper> |
| 15:11.36 | stew | easy |
| 15:11.51 | stew | why doesn't that mention the free alternative? |
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| 15:13.14 | themill | stew: probably because it was written solely with sun java in mind. I've never had any luck with the free java implementations actually running things properly though... |
| 15:13.26 | jelly | !java plugin |
| 15:13.26 | dpkg | To install a Java plugin in your browsers on Debian 4 or greater, install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin. With konqueror, you may hit #327582, or only available for i386 (not for amd64). it is in non-free, ask me about <non-free>, or ask me about <gcjwebplugin> for a free alternative |
| 15:14.05 | jelly | too bad debian can't just install a 32bit iceweasel on an otherwise amd64 installation |
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| 15:14.38 | craigevil | yang: there is also Icetea > http://maledivenhilfe.com/64bit/icedtea/ |
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| 15:16.17 | jelly | craigevil: whose repository is that? |
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| 15:16.33 | craigevil | not clue got the link form someone in #sidux |
| 15:16.40 | craigevil | s/form/from |
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| 15:34.12 | gigo | how can I install the man page for gcc in Debian? |
| 15:34.32 | gigo | when I do man gcc, I get: No manual entry for gcc - See 'man 7 undocumented' for help when manual pages are not available. |
| 15:35.02 | votyakf | hi everybody! |
| 15:35.40 | Nightwolf | hi votyakf |
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| 15:36.30 | twobitwork | hello, I'm trying to set up a pptp tunnel in debian... I have installed network-manager, pppoe, pppoeconf, pptp-linux and network-manager-pptp... but when I use the network-manager gui to add a VPN connection is complains that I don't have any suitable software installed for making VPN connections... |
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| 15:38.30 | benjamindees | gigo, try the gcc-doc package |
| 15:38.57 | benjamindees | gigo, and I suspect the gcc documentation is an info page, not a man |
| 15:39.11 | stew | its in both, but its not in debian, its in non-free |
| 15:39.24 | gigo | benjamindees: it installs nothing, aptitude search gcc-doc returns nothing |
| 15:39.36 | gigo | stew: so it is not available in debian non-free? |
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| 15:39.46 | stew | gigo: its available in non-free, yes |
| 15:39.56 | helo | why does thunderbird (a gtk app) launch konqueror whenever i click a link? |
| 15:40.21 | votyakf | pppd remotename internet linkname internet ipparam internet name [VPNusername] usepeerdns nomppe noauth nodetach lock bsdcomp 9,15 deflate 9,15 defaultroute replacedefaultroute pty "pptp [serverIP] --nolaunchpppd" - [VPNusername] - your vpnusername -  [serverIP] - your vpn server IP |
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| 15:40.40 | stew | helo: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/x-www-browser" return? |
| 15:40.45 | gigo | i am curious to know why a thing like gcc man page is non free? |
| 15:41.14 | stew | gigo: becuase its authors have placed limimts on what you can modify if you are going to redistribute it |
| 15:41.34 | stew | gigo: the documentation has invariant sections |
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| 15:41.57 | benjamindees | helo, what does 'sensible-browser http://www.google.com' launch? |
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| 15:42.01 | gigo | ok, and in my debian (lenny) i can't find gcc-doc, is it because testing version doesn't have it yet? |
| 15:42.01 | helo | stew: ahh, thanks :) |
| 15:42.18 | stew | helo: 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' to change that link |
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| 15:43.15 | cloakable | Can anyone give me advice about a RT61 card? The thing is so broken under Etch it's unfunny. |
| 15:43.40 | stew | gigo: it is in the non-free repsoitories for testing |
| 15:43.44 | helo | grumbles about konqueror being the default without his input |
| 15:43.46 | gigo | when i see a package info using aptitude show, how can i know this package is from which repo? |
| 15:44.05 | stew | gigo: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 15:44.27 | votyakf |  twobitwork: in /etc/ppp/chap-secrets you need "yourvpnname" * "yourvpnpassword" |
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| 15:45.42 | jelly | cloakable: generic driver issues' answer: "try a new(er) kernel" |
| 15:45.46 | gigo | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free - I have this line, but I can't find gcc-doc or gcc-doc-base in aptitude |
| 15:46.02 | stew | gigo: run aptitude update |
| 15:46.19 | jelly | gigo: I see 4:4.2.3.nf1 on my mirror. |
| 15:46.39 | benjamindees | it would be nice if sensible-browser were smart enough to detect the current de and launch the appropriate browser |
| 15:46.40 | cloakable | jelly: Thanks for that answer. How do I download a newer kernel over my nonworking wireless connection? |
| 15:46.52 | gigo | jelly: for gcc-doc-base? on lenny? |
| 15:47.12 | jelly | gigo: not -base, just gcc-doc. lenny, i386 |
| 15:47.17 | gigo | ok |
| 15:47.23 | stew | but -base comes from the same source, so it would have the same version |
| 15:47.33 | gigo | yeah, after update I got it |
| 15:47.35 | gigo | thank you all |
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| 15:48.14 | jelly | cloakable: wget it on a connected machine and transfer using a cd, dvd, usb key, or similar medium. |
| 15:48.23 | petemc | cloakable: you appear to have a working internet connection, else we wouldnt be able to read your facetious comments |
| 15:48.58 | votyakf | cloakable: I think you out download the kernel out your not working box and install it by dpkg |
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| 15:49.26 | benjamindees | it's amazing how well Autocad works in wine |
| 15:49.32 | votyakf | s/out/need |
| 15:50.45 | cloakable | If that's the solution I'm trying the latest Ubuntu :P |
| 15:51.01 | petemc | have fun |
| 15:51.02 | isBEKaml | just curious guys, is there any way i can disable sudo from remembering the password since the last time entered in the same session? |
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| 15:51.39 | isBEKaml | i mean, i can enter it everytime i run a sudo command |
| 15:51.52 | cloakable | petemc: I won't. Ubuntu is a hideously bloated POS, but at least my hardware will work ;/ |
| 15:52.03 | stew | isBEKaml: yes, 'man sudoers' and look for timeout |
| 15:52.17 | votyakf | cloakable: Ubuntu - the real afterwindowsuser choice!:)) As I was:)) |
| 15:52.17 | petemc | cloakable: your hardware will work with debian using a newer kernel - why is that so hard to understand? |
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| 15:53.11 | cloakable | petemc: You mean the 2.6.18 kernel that's the only one available in Etch? |
| 15:53.26 | benjamindees | !tell cloakable about backports |
| 15:53.33 | petemc | thats a funny interpretation of newer |
| 15:53.34 | Linuturk | lol cloakable |
| 15:53.40 | isBEKaml | stew: oh, thanks. :) |
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| 15:53.54 | cloakable | petemc: exactly. |
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| 15:54.14 | cloakable | There ISN'T a newer kernel available in Etch |
| 15:54.26 | petemc | did i limit myself to whats in etch? |
| 15:54.37 | petemc | you're just being obtuse, enjoy your non working wireless card |
| 15:54.52 | benjamindees | cloakable, http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=etch-backports§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image-2.6.22 |
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| 15:55.35 | themill | !tell cloakable about etchnhalf |
| 15:55.36 | cloakable | benjamindees: ty :) |
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| 15:55.58 | benjamindees | cloakable, be sure to download the three or four dependencies as well |
| 15:56.27 | cloakable | benjamindees: What dependencies to the dependencies have :P |
| 15:56.31 | cloakable | *do |
| 15:56.35 | petemc | dont forget to turn your computer on before attempting to use it |
| 15:57.13 | benjamindees | cloakable, I'm reasonably sure you can figure it out... |
| 15:57.15 | jelly | cloakable: you'll probably need linux-image-*, linux-headers-* if you're using a non-free driver for the graphic card, and linux-kbuild-* |
| 15:58.07 | jelly | cloakable: or, if you don't mind reinstalling, try install images from /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 15:58.37 | stew | and -headers depends on -kbuild anyway |
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| 15:58.59 | cloakable | jelly: The server is doing absolutely nothing right now anyway. it can't |
| 15:59.19 | jelly | doesn't connect servers via wireless |
| 15:59.43 | mot | any good programs in debian for scheduling tape backups? |
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| 16:00.09 | themill | mot: cron? |
| 16:00.32 | mot | tape backups. |
| 16:00.37 | stew | mot: cron |
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| 16:01.16 | Haris1 | What should be the default IO scheduler ? -> 1) Anticipatory 2) Deadline 3) CFQ 4) No-op |
| 16:01.22 | jelly | mot: you asked for scheduling, not running them. I understood that you already had a backup tool, and just wanted to figure out how to run it at a correct time |
| 16:01.24 | Haris1 | I'm building 2.6.25 |
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| 16:01.43 | cloakable | jelly: If I had control over my landlords internet connection, I wouldn't either :P |
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| 16:02.52 | mot | nah |
| 16:02.58 | mot | i guess it was a two-pronged question |
| 16:03.00 | jelly | mot: are you actually looking for a real backup tool that does backups to tape, like bacula or amanda? |
| 16:03.09 | mot | i'm thinking of migrating a fileserver here from windows 2003 to debian |
| 16:03.14 | mot | yea |
| 16:03.15 | cahoot | Haris1: If I'm not mistaken one can ebale all and change at runtime depending on preferences/experience |
| 16:03.17 | mot | do those two tools do that? |
| 16:03.29 | cahoot | s/ebale/enable/ |
| 16:03.51 | Haris1 | cahoot: Cool! |
| 16:04.11 | jelly | mot: any of those, yes. |
| 16:04.20 | mot | which would you recommend? |
| 16:04.59 | Haris1 | should the kernel be left to balance irq? |
| 16:05.44 | mot | jelly: once i've installed amanda how do i access it? it won't start from commandline and i don't see it in the gnome menu |
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| 16:06.12 | jelly | mot: I haven't been using free software to backup to tapes in a long time, so I don't know what's good any more. As for amanda, it has a set of command line utilities. |
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| 16:06.20 | lunartear | if i have a package that someone installed, but dpkg still thinks it needs installed everytime another package fires up the packaging system to be installed, what can i do to remove that from its queue without affecting its current installation? |
| 16:06.20 | JacobH | Hi everyone. I've managed to mess something up so that I can no longer boot. The boot process gets to "Begin: Waiting for root file system". There's conflicting advice on the web as to whether this is caused by a missing/corrupted package or because of a bug in the way debian handles the 2.6.24. Can anyone give me some advice? It is all too low-level for my liking! |
| 16:06.40 | stew | lunartear: finish configuring it |
| 16:06.43 | mot | thanks |
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| 16:07.06 | jelly | mot: start with reading what's in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ |
| 16:07.20 | stew | amanda was not very easy to configure the last time i looked |
| 16:07.26 | lunartear | stew, im not sure what they did to get the package installed, but it is configured and running properly on the system, but dpkg doesnt think so |
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| 16:07.49 | lunartear | stew there was an issue with this package running with threaded perl |
| 16:07.57 | stew | lunartear: 'dpkg --configure -a' or "aptitude -f install" should try to finish the installation |
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| 16:08.19 | tolecnal_ | sorry for my somewhat unstable connection (for those of you that may be annoyed by me jumping in and out) |
| 16:08.31 | stew | lunartear: if you get errors from those commands, show us; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:08.55 | lunartear | stew, will that affect the package's installation? |
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| 16:09.11 | stew | lunartear: yes, it would finish installing it |
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| 16:09.27 | lunartear | stew, what does that mean |
| 16:09.46 | lunartear | stew, its installed already, but dpkg gets an error code |
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| 16:10.01 | stew | lunartear: it depends on the package, but basically it would mean doing whatever the /var/lib/dpkg/packagename.postinst wants to do |
| 16:10.23 | stew | lunartear: show us the error. if you are getting an error from dpkg about the package, it is likely that it is not fully installed |
| 16:10.34 | lunartear | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 16:10.34 | lunartear | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:10.34 | lunartear | et: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 16:10.36 | Baloo | OK, trying to start exim with /etc/init.d/exim4 start, I get "Starting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments" How do I find out what it's talking about since nothing appears in logs? |
| 16:10.38 | themill | !tell JacobH about waiting root |
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| 16:11.27 | stew | lunartear: show us the full output |
| 16:11.35 | lunartear | stew that is the full output |
| 16:11.36 | stew | lunartear: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:11.49 | abrotman | Baloo: the init script or in /etc/default/ usually |
| 16:12.08 | stew | lunartear: wierd, i've never heard of "et" before |
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| 16:12.26 | lunartear | stew, my irc client has nick completion.. its E: |
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| 16:12.55 | JacobH | themill, will hdxy always become sdxy when this happens? |
| 16:13.07 | stew | lunartear: what command did you run? |
| 16:13.15 | lunartear | stew, the real error had something to do with interchange complaining about running with a threaded perl |
| 16:13.21 | et | lunartear: ? |
| 16:13.25 | lunartear | but i dont have that because it was installed by someone else |
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| 16:13.27 | stew | lunartear: when do you see the real error? |
| 16:13.40 | themill | JacobH: That used to be the "usual" cause, but there was someone on oftc who was getting the same error message but it didn't seem to be that problem. |
| 16:13.41 | lunartear | stew, when they tried to install that package |
| 16:13.45 | et | lunartear: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 16:13.55 | lunartear | et disregard |
| 16:13.58 | lunartear | sorry |
| 16:14.12 | chops | et: His client nick-completed "E: " at the beginning of the dpkg line to "et:" |
| 16:14.58 | lunartear | stew, apt-get install interchange should give you the error |
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| 16:15.15 | JacobH | themill, ok. Thanks. That is probably what was coming up on the forums. |
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| 16:15.42 | _moro_bana_ | i have debian running, how can i add server packs from the debian-server disc? |
| 16:15.46 | sdubois92 | i have install g++ but when i run ./configure on a program i am installing, it says "checking for g++... no" and the same for c++ |
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| 16:15.58 | lunartear | stew, does the packaging system log its output somewhere i might be able to grab the full output? |
| 16:16.03 | stew | lunartear: no |
| 16:16.06 | themill | !b-e sdubois92 |
| 16:16.06 | dpkg | sdubois92: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 16:16.23 | epsilon | sdubois92: did you install "build-essential"? |
| 16:16.34 | sdubois92 | ah |
| 16:16.34 | stew | lunartear: i don't get an error installing interchange |
| 16:16.47 | themill | JacobH: I didn't see a resolution of this other one so I can't suggest anything. :( Let us know how you solve it. |
| 16:16.51 | sdubois92 | why ismt build essential pre-installed? |
| 16:16.53 | sdubois92 | weird |
| 16:16.59 | azeem | sdubois92: why should it? |
| 16:17.04 | chops | sdubois92: Because not everyone needs to build |
| 16:17.40 | abrotman | some might even consider it a security risk |
| 16:17.56 | chops | _moro_bana_: You can tell apt about your CD with apt-cdrom if it doesn't know already. Then use apt-get install as normal. |
| 16:18.33 | _moro_bana_ | chops: you mean apt-cdrom add |
| 16:18.53 | chops | _moro_bana_: Sure, whatever. I don't use apt-cdrom, I just know that it's how you add CD sources. |
| 16:19.34 | lunartear | stew, really I was wondering how i could remove interchange from dpkg's queue so it will stop trying to install it... this is ubuntu so i was trying not to make it os specific questions |
| 16:20.06 | stew | lunartear: "apt-get remove interchange" is the command to remove interchange, but please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 16:21.07 | lunartear | stew, i dont want to uninstall the package |
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| 16:21.29 | lunartear | stew, i want to tell dpkg to believe me that its installed and forget about it |
| 16:21.34 | stew | lunartear: no you don't |
| 16:21.38 | stew | lunartear: then "apt-get install interchange" is the command to install interchange, but it sounds like interchange is broken in ubuntu, so ask #ubuntu |
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| 16:23.06 | lunartear | stew, its a stupid configuration that sets an error if it finds a threaded perl, we got it installed ok but dpkg still thinks the package has an error |
| 16:23.19 | stew | lunartear: ask #ubuntu about seeking help with this bug |
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| 16:24.15 | jelly | or go report it directly on launchpad |
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| 16:24.20 | lunartear | jesus christ, I'm not asking for interchange help. I'm asking specifically about dpkg. I want to modify what dpkg think's a package's installation status is |
| 16:24.39 | stew | lunartear: that's a bad idea. and you are asking in the wrong channel. |
| 16:24.40 | Catsceo | hey, is cdimage.debian.org slow for anyone? |
| 16:24.52 | lunartear | stew how is this the wrong channle |
| 16:24.52 | jelly | lunartear: that's almost always the wrong way to go about these things. |
| 16:25.11 | stew | lunartear: i'm sorry we are unable to help you debug the bugs in the interchange package for ubuntu, but it is off-topic here, we only help with debian (which doesn't have this bug with interchange) |
| 16:25.13 | benjamindees | it's amazing that the only real reason to use Ubuntu is to *pay* for support, yet idiots still ask in here... |
| 16:25.28 | stew | benjamindees: do not call people idiots |
| 16:25.36 | Baloo | benjamindees++ |
| 16:26.37 | Baloo | stew: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#forum It's not like they're not told to use the right tool for the job in the first place... |
| 16:26.39 | lunartear | stew, dpkg is a debian thing.. I never asked for support of a bug in interchange. I have asked specifically for help with dpkg. |
| 16:26.44 | stew | Baloo: please drop it |
| 16:26.54 | stew | lunartear: yes, you asked in the wrong channel. please drop it |
| 16:27.05 | lunartear | this is not the wrong channel for my question |
| 16:27.08 | abrotman | lunartear: Ubuntu provides your dpkg, they have patched, ask #ubuntu. Do not argue with us, please go to #ubuntu or someone may ask for you to be forcefully removed. |
| 16:27.21 | stew | lunartear: it is. and the topic of this channel is not open for debate, i'll have to silence you if you continue |
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| 16:27.29 | themill | !tell lunartear about not our problem |
| 16:27.40 | Catsceo | lunartear: for christs sake, dpkg in debian and ubuntu are DIFFERENT, ask in #ubuntu |
| 16:27.45 | Baloo | lunartear, you should take a look at that URL, too. |
| 16:27.52 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 16:27.52 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 16:28.01 | jelly | lunartear: unfortunately this is a channel for debian support, not generic help with dpkg |
| 16:28.10 | abrotman | how is that unfortunate ? |
| 16:28.18 | jelly | for him it is |
| 16:28.23 | Baloo | !tell lunartear about ubuntu |
| 16:28.28 | stew | enogh! |
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| 16:29.34 | lunartear | you are discriminating against me because you know what OS I'm using. but I've asked you for help with YOUR OS's software whether patched or not makes no difference... I'm asking for help with something that has no bearing on what OS its running on, just a functionality question.. You wouldnt be acting this way toward me if i didnt tell you what OS i was running.. so get over that. |
| 16:29.47 | Catsceo | someone kick this guy |
| 16:29.56 | lunartear | jelly isnt dpkg part of debian? |
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| 16:30.12 | Baloo | If you got it from Debian, yes. If you got it from Ubuntu, no. |
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| 16:30.24 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 16:30.24 | dpkg | <Glitch_Master> Have you ever gone to the very beginning of your root command history and read stuff? It's very nostalgic.. <shingouz> Glitch_Master: Yea, I noticed "let there be light" ;) |
| 16:30.31 | abrotman | stew: we should stop doing that at the same time :) |
| 16:30.42 | jelly | abrotman: stew wins again. |
| 16:30.54 | abrotman | he can win all he wants |
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| 16:31.53 | themill | Bloody hell. the ubuntu patch against Debian's dpkg is a massive 650kB. |
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| 16:32.11 | jelly | themill: forked codebase, they have more features |
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| 16:32.40 | themill | jelly: indeed. It just makes the "isn't dpkg in debian" thing even more ridiculous. |
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| 16:33.25 | Baloo | Of course, the whole ubuntu/debian thing would be moot if Debian Developers didn't give Canonical the time of day, instead spending the time they're currently wasting on Ubuntu packages helping the Debian Desktop project instead. |
| 16:33.34 | jelly | themill: the problem is asking in this channel makes people implicitely assume he's running Debian and give appropriate advice |
| 16:33.36 | stew | please drop the dicussion about ubuntu |
| 16:35.06 | jelly | themill: had the question been "i'm _not_ running debian, but need help with dpkg and a package that fails to configure", 10 minutes of useless advice might have been skipped |
| 16:35.41 | hoxu | !flw |
| 16:35.41 | dpkg | from memory, flw37 is <mops> abrotman: I don't understand me... |
| 16:36.37 | isBEKaml | !flv |
| 16:36.37 | Schmidt | jelly, abrotman enouf thanks for the all the help earlier. It seems to be get in order now :) |
| 16:36.55 | Schmidt | argh, english not first language *bork* |
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| 16:38.07 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 16:38.09 | Ace2016 | anyone here have problems with slow wifi-radar? |
| 16:38.32 | Ace2016 | it doesn't freeze, the program just responds slowly, cpu usage isn't high in ksysguard |
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| 16:38.46 | Ace2016 | its as if its waiting for something before responding to my button click |
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| 16:39.08 | Ace2016 | i have to wait about 3 seconds before any action i do has any effect on the interface, sort of like a time lag |
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| 16:42.43 | kunalashokshah | hi, does the package manager take into consideration the type of install you have when selecting packages? netinst Deb Etch apt-get install apache downloads apache 1.3 instead of 2.x |
| 16:43.09 | kunalashokshah | do I have to force the issue and specify it? if so, its apt-get install apache=2.? |
| 16:43.10 | azeem | kunalashokshah: apache 2.x is apache2 |
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| 16:43.39 | kunalashokshah | azeem: but apache is apache 1.3? |
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| 16:43.56 | azeem | kunalashokshah: as you remarked yourself, yes |
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| 16:44.07 | tarkus | i wanted to use debian on my VPS server. but all the packages were out of date.. i mean python 2.4.4??? why is this? |
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| 16:44.50 | Nightwolf | ok problem has changed, i cannot login with libpam-chrooted user via ssh, /var/log/auth.log say PAM-env[2168]: Unable to open config file: No such file or directory |
| 16:44.53 | kunalashokshah | got it thanks |
| 16:44.55 | Nightwolf | any idea? |
| 16:45.02 | chops | tarkus: Stable gets old before the next release. Most people with servers like slow updates. |
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| 16:45.15 | chops | tarkus: You can install backports if you need more recent versions of particular packages. |
| 16:45.29 | chops | tarkus: (Or you can run testing or unstable, but I would certainly not recommend that for a server) |
| 16:45.44 | tarkus | yeah |
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| 16:46.10 | tarkus | its just that i deploy a lot of python platforms on the server |
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| 16:46.24 | tarkus | and to use the latest trac, i need 2.5 |
| 16:46.30 | chops | tarkus: Install it from backports, then |
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| 16:46.42 | themill | 2.5 is already in etch |
| 16:46.45 | tarkus | never used or heard of backports |
| 16:46.49 | tarkus | themill: seriously? |
| 16:46.54 | tarkus | cause thats what i have on my vps |
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| 16:46.57 | themill | !info python2.5 etch |
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| 16:47.02 | dpkg | python2.5: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (version 2.5)), section python, is optional. Version: 2.5-5 (etch), Packaged size: 3364 kB, Installed size: 12196 kB |
| 16:47.04 | chops | Ugh, my what-is-in-etch foo is ridiculously weak today :-( |
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| 16:47.19 | themill | dpkg: console chops |
| 16:47.36 | FordCortina | could the choice of font in a pdf cause it to not render correctly in linux but render fine in windows? |
| 16:47.44 | tarkus | hmm, strange why i dont get that update |
| 16:48.17 | chops | tarkus: Python 2.5 is in the python2.5 package, with the python25 binary |
| 16:48.28 | tarkus | aah |
| 16:48.30 | themill | tarkus: it's not the *default* python though |
| 16:48.53 | chops | tarkus: Er, the python2.5 binary |
| 16:48.58 | tarkus | meh.. i think ill just wait on my trac system.. django should work fine with 2.4.4 |
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| 16:49.16 | ozdeb | hi all |
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| 16:49.31 | ozdeb | my swap won't start on boot - can anyone help resolve ? |
| 16:49.51 | FordCortina | ozdeb: have you put the swap in fstab? |
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| 16:51.10 | thnee | how can i not cd into a directory which has perms 777? |
| 16:51.11 | ozdeb | FordCortina: yes my /etc/fstab says /dev/sda5 none swap sw 0 0 for the swap partition |
| 16:51.12 | tarkus | would you consider debian to be more minimal than ubuntu? |
| 16:51.29 | tarkus | i love arch for this reason. but no one used it for server |
| 16:51.36 | ozdeb | tarkus: it depends what you install |
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| 16:52.20 | ozdeb | FordCortina: I still have to run manually swapon /dev/sda5 to "enjoy" swap |
| 16:52.42 | tarkus | slicehost is awesome.. debian 4 installed in 52 seconds |
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| 16:55.15 | Ace2016 | Hi all |
| 16:55.23 | Ace2016 | how do you manage mailing lists? |
| 16:55.35 | jelly | Mailman. |
| 16:55.43 | Ace2016 | its it a gui app? |
| 16:56.04 | jelly | to be more precise, Mailman, and a choice of handcrafted local scripts |
| 16:56.14 | FordCortina | ozdeb: not sure what else i can suggest. does swapon -a activate your swap? |
| 16:56.20 | Ace2016 | oh wait i mean i want to join a mailing list, and i want to know how i can avoid them all flooding my inbox |
| 16:56.31 | halflife08 | Ace2016: digest mode |
| 16:56.41 | Ace2016 | yea but i plan to join more than one |
| 16:57.00 | unixSnob | has a 400 dollar video card that cannot even handle VESA mode |
| 16:57.05 | jelly | Ace2016: filter the lists to separate folders, and read them less often |
| 16:57.23 | halflife08 | Ace2016: filters to sort into diff folders.depends on what client you are using to read them |
| 16:57.39 | FordCortina | ozdeb: not sure if your fstab line is correct |
| 16:57.40 | Ace2016 | but which email client and email provider should i use to make it easy for myself to work with stuff |
| 16:57.48 | FordCortina | have you tried |
| 16:57.52 | jelly | can't really help there, still using procmail and mutt. ;-) |
| 16:58.42 | halflife08 | Ace2016: depends on whether you would like a console style one like mutt or gui type like icedove aka thunderbird |
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| 16:58.54 | FordCortina | can't speak for some reason |
| 16:58.54 | Ace2016 | A GUI |
| 16:59.00 | thnee | how can i shell expand a path to all files or directories that _begins_ with '.' except the foldes "." and ".."? |
| 16:59.12 | Ace2016 | i think i'll just try thunderbird |
| 16:59.16 | thnee | i want to set perms to everything inside a dir without it going up one level |
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| 16:59.22 | halflife08 | Ace2016: check out kmail, evolution, icedove and make your pick |
| 16:59.23 | stew | thnee: .* |
| 16:59.24 | MaliutaLap | Ace2016: evolution |
| 16:59.30 | thnee | stew: that will include .. |
| 16:59.33 | brnkraut | I'm looking to upgrade my system but want to avoid upgrading mysql for the time being. what's the best way to accomplish that? |
| 16:59.38 | Ace2016 | well i use kde so i'll try kmail first |
| 16:59.48 | stew | thnee: oh, maybe in bash? it doesn't in zsh |
| 16:59.58 | thnee | mky |
| 16:59.59 | thnee | mkay |
| 17:00.49 | halflife08 | brnkraut: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/67 |
| 17:00.49 | thnee | it's very annoying when i do chmod 750 -R dir/.* and it includes dir/.. as well |
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| 17:01.44 | stew | thnee: find . -mindepth 1 -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 750 |
| 17:01.51 | thnee | ugh... |
| 17:02.04 | stew | thnee: you probably don't want to make the files in that directory +x anyway |
| 17:02.08 | FordCortina | knows now that he couldn't speak because of his client ;) |
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| 17:02.35 | FordCortina | ozdeb: fstab ---> http://pastebin.ca/994745 |
| 17:03.18 | brnkraut | halflife08: thanks. |
| 17:04.23 | stew | thnee: .[^.]* |
| 17:04.52 | thnee | clevar |
| 17:05.03 | thnee | thanks stew |
| 17:05.49 | stew | thnee: it would miss a file named '...' or '..foo'... |
| 17:06.00 | thnee | and it doesnt work in bash :P |
| 17:06.13 | thnee | it doesnt expand anything at al |
| 17:06.21 | thnee | chmod: cannot access `.[^.]*': No such file or directory |
| 17:06.25 | stew | thnee: it does for me |
| 17:06.52 | stew | thnee: what exact command did you run? |
| 17:07.03 | stew | thnee: does just "echo .[^.]*" work? |
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| 17:07.17 | thnee | chmod 770 .[^.]* -R |
| 17:08.01 | thnee | stew: no, echo just prints .[^.]* |
| 17:08.03 | AwesomeGuy | how big is the netinst iso? |
| 17:08.05 | jelly | dash matches _only_ .. with .[^.]* |
| 17:08.08 | AwesomeGuy | around 500 MB right |
| 17:08.16 | thnee | around 130 mb right? |
| 17:08.29 | benjamindees | yeah more like 100 mb |
| 17:08.31 | jelly | AwesomeGuy: ~150MB |
| 17:09.29 | AwesomeGuy | oh |
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| 17:13.40 | stew | jelly: dash probably also matches '.^' with that |
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| 17:14.08 | jelly | stew: if I had it, I guess it would |
| 17:14.10 | yggwork | hello, i have what i think is a data corruption problem. ihave fscked and its all clean... http://pastebin.com/m4ced4ee9 |
| 17:14.14 | yggwork | can somone help |
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| 17:14.37 | zyx386 | is DejaVu Sans font in all linux disti? |
| 17:14.49 | jelly | stew: [^notthese] is more of a regexp thing |
| 17:14.57 | kingsley | zyx386: No. |
| 17:15.30 | zyx386 | and what is the universal Font in all linux disti? |
| 17:15.32 | jelly | zyx386: possibly in a lot of modern ones. |
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| 17:16.21 | thnee | stew: i installed zsh, works with .*, but it isnt recursive tho.. |
| 17:16.37 | thnee | maybe i should learn find some day |
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| 17:16.41 | kingsley | yggwork: If I were in your shoes, I'd try it as root, not sudo, and see it I got the same error message, or a different one. |
| 17:16.49 | yggwork | its an ubuntu system |
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| 17:17.14 | yggwork | i dont think theres a way to be root |
| 17:17.24 | jelly | thnee: zsh: .*/**(/) ... matches all the directories under the .* ones. |
| 17:17.49 | stew | jelly: in zsh '.*' does what he wants |
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| 17:18.38 | kingsley | yggwork: I'll be you can find out how to log on as root by searching Google's indices for: ubuntu root login |
| 17:18.45 | thnee | jelly, stew: i want to match ./dir1/.svn and ./dir2/.svn and ./dir3/sad/dsa/asd/.svn |
| 17:18.57 | yggwork | i just did it |
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| 17:19.00 | jelly | thnee: **/.*(/) ;-) |
| 17:19.14 | kingsley | s/be/bet/ |
| 17:19.28 | yggwork | and ill bet its not gonna realy fix the problem |
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| 17:20.00 | jelly | thnee: find ./ -type d -name '.*' ? |
| 17:20.00 | thnee | jelly: % ls .*/**(/) zsh: no matches found: .*/**(/) |
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| 17:20.18 | mernil | yo motthas! |
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| 17:20.45 | mernil | im here do pimp your distro dudes! |
| 17:20.50 | jelly | thnee: and I wrote something else after you explained it better |
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| 17:21.10 | thnee | jelly: oops, i didnt notice it was different, sorry |
| 17:21.46 | jelly | thnee: or even find ./ -type d -name '.svn' |
| 17:22.10 | thnee | find is starting to sound easier, yes |
| 17:22.52 | bvk | yggwork: are they from local filesystem ? if it is from nfs, it doesn't work usually |
| 17:23.03 | jelly | thnee: it's also more portable, if you care about that |
| 17:23.16 | thnee | i do |
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| 17:23.23 | jelly | !using find |
| 17:23.30 | jelly | hmph. |
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| 17:24.23 | jelly | thnee: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/UsingFind |
| 17:24.34 | yggwork | bvk its local fs |
| 17:25.11 | jelly | yggwork: it's a rather weird name for a directory (and weird permissions as well) |
| 17:25.14 | assasukasse | in netstat -t how should i read this line: tcp6 0 0 ::ffff:192.168.0.1%:ssh rad1.din.unipa.it:33295 ESTABLISHED |
| 17:25.17 | yggwork | yea ia gree |
| 17:25.24 | yggwork | ok in as root and i get the same errors |
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| 17:25.34 | yggwork | jelly , i have been ahving hard drive problems with this |
| 17:25.49 | yggwork | i cant run apt because its tryign t oremove thta dir/ that file |
| 17:26.16 | jelly | yggwork: any drive related errors in dmesg? |
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| 17:26.44 | bvk | yggwork: qucik fix could be to rename that dir/ to something else |
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| 17:27.36 | kingsley | yggwork: That's odd. Have you tired examining the file with the "stat" command, or moving it with the "mv" command? |
| 17:27.46 | jelly | bvk: could be a symptom of a messed up filesystem, in which case one doesn't want to install anyting until it's fixed |
| 17:28.07 | yggwork | kingsley yes , operation not permitted |
| 17:28.26 | kingsley | yggwork: Which command said that? |
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| 17:28.33 | yggwork | actually moving the dir worked |
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| 17:28.47 | jelly | yggwork: what does lsattr on that file say? |
| 17:28.54 | yggwork | jelly hold on |
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| 17:29.10 | bvk | yggwork: yeah, but as jelly said it may screw up the system later... |
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| 17:29.17 | yggwork | -----ad---Z-Ej---- ./about.png |
| 17:29.27 | yggwork | defenetly corruption |
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| 17:30.34 | yggwork | thanks guys |
| 17:30.35 | jelly | yggwork: check your logs for hardware issues. if there are no obvious problems, reboot into single-user mode, fsck that filesystem |
| 17:30.37 | yggwork | looks liek it worked |
| 17:30.45 | mernil | likes |
| 17:30.45 | yggwork | jelly i fscked it abotu 2 times |
| 17:30.52 | yggwork | once with -c for bad blocks. |
| 17:31.04 | yggwork | thanks though |
| 17:31.06 | jelly | yggwork: with -f? (ie did it actually do anything?) |
| 17:31.10 | yggwork | yea |
| 17:31.12 | yggwork | -f -c |
| 17:31.19 | jelly | had to ask |
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| 17:31.23 | Siftin-Com | when I install some rpms using yum, do they actually get downloaded at some place on my local machine, I guess yes, if yes, than where |
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| 17:31.46 | yggwork | jelly thanks |
| 17:31.52 | jelly | yggwork: use chattr to clear all the funky bits, should be able to remove it afterwards |
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| 17:31.55 | yggwork | that worked, lets jsut hope there are no other files in ther e like that |
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| 17:32.05 | yggwork | oh really ? |
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| 17:32.37 | yggwork | ill try it once i get this done |
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| 17:33.43 | bvk | is there anyway to install debian from .iso file alone, without cdrom or network ? |
| 17:33.51 | yggwork | the level of sophistication in the #ubuntu channel is poor compared to #debian |
| 17:34.09 | yggwork | they always recomend gui tools, and im like i dont have a gui |
| 17:34.10 | yggwork | haha |
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| 17:34.19 | Haris | Hello people |
| 17:34.35 | Haris | I'm getting these ( http://pastebin.ca/994776 ) errors when I build the kernel |
| 17:34.53 | abrotman | yggwork: please don't ask ubuntu questions hgere |
| 17:34.55 | thnee | jelly: i want to match dir/.svn/file too |
| 17:34.59 | benjamindees | bvk, yes there is an add-on for the debian installer that will let you read .iso images from a hard drive |
| 17:35.05 | yggwork | i dont |
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| 17:35.19 | thnee | jelly: like, if .svn is present at all |
| 17:35.20 | Haris | damned |
| 17:35.24 | Haris | it wants .config |
| 17:35.38 | benjamindees | bvk, you normally can download it from an expert install with the netinst floppies |
| 17:35.39 | evo_ | .. |
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| 17:36.04 | foobar8 | i am a bit confused about the handling of mime types / default applications. in debian there is mime-support and xdg-utils - which one to use? how do i change the priority of package/app system wide? for example "open pictures using eog instead of with display/imagemagick if in X"? |
| 17:36.07 | bvk | benjamindees: ok i will check it out |
| 17:36.14 | ukwiz | In my auth.log I get "pam_env(sshd:setcred): Unable to open env file: /etc/environment: No such file or directory" messages every time I ssh into my system, and a similar message from CRON every 10-15 minutes |
| 17:36.19 | benjamindees | bvk, or I'm sure there is a way to load it from a floppy manually |
| 17:36.38 | bvk | benjamindees: i just hope its easy enough as redhats' |
| 17:37.03 | bvk | benjamindees: actually, i don't want to use floppies either. |
| 17:37.08 | jelly | thnee: everything under .svn? find ./ -type d -name '.svn' -print0 | xargs -0 find :-D |
| 17:37.16 | benjamindees | bvk, o__0 |
| 17:37.27 | yggwork | jelly root@Eagle1:~/branding.bak# chattr -v ./about.png chattr: bad version - ./about.png |
| 17:37.56 | chops | yggwork: chattr -V most likely |
| 17:37.56 | bvk | benjamindees: on redhat i can do this simply by copying isolinux/{vmlinuz,initrd.img} into /boot and boot with then using grub |
| 17:38.04 | jelly | yggwork: um. rtfm? |
| 17:38.05 | pgpkeys | anyone know if the docs cd contains the dev guide, NMG, and stuff? I grabbed the 7.0-RELEASE unofficial dvd image for the new system coming tomorrow. that system will not be connected to a network |
| 17:38.08 | yggwork | haha |
| 17:38.20 | yggwork | ok well its fixed that all im concerned with thanks. |
| 17:38.27 | chops | pgpkeys: Ask in #ubuntu |
| 17:38.31 | benjamindees | bvk, oh then yes you can do that if you have grub installed already |
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| 17:38.41 | pgpkeys | oh crap sorry. wrong channel |
| 17:38.45 | bvk | benjamindees: it automatically asks me for the .iso files location |
| 17:38.48 | thnee | jelly: thank you |
| 17:38.53 | pgpkeys | sorry chops :) hehe |
| 17:38.59 | chops | pgpkeys: No worries |
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| 17:39.32 | afaict | hi folks!!! |
| 17:39.32 | bvk | benjamindees: oh great. then i will try that...but not today. i don't have that box with me now :( |
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| 17:39.34 | benjamindees | bvk, I imagine everything you need will be on the netinst .iso |
| 17:39.35 | fr00g | hi, is there any legal way, to make a netstatistic for active ip's in the network while working on switched network? or the only way is to poison for ex. the gatway? |
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| 17:39.46 | jelly | thnee: there's probably a better way to do it, with just one find and using -path instead of -name |
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| 17:39.54 | Ace2016 | anyone use wicd? |
| 17:40.03 | Ace2016 | i want to connect to a hidden wireless netwrok |
| 17:40.06 | Ace2016 | network* |
| 17:40.24 | drwahl | quick question about Xen. is Xen a package, or is it actually a distro? |
| 17:40.38 | afaict | do you know if linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686(unstable) already have a bnx2 fixed driver? The bnx2 from stable debian is broken. Bridge function doesn't work |
| 17:40.40 | drwahl | from what i understand, it seems like a kernel module really |
| 17:40.53 | chops | drwahl: It's software, not a distro. I believe it spans multiple packages in Debian. |
| 17:40.54 | bvk | drwahl: afaik xen-enterprise is a distro |
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| 17:41.26 | drwahl | ok, so i could use debian as the host OS for the xen virtualization, just like qemu, vmware, etc.? |
| 17:41.36 | bvk | drwahl: its definitely more than kernel module |
| 17:41.46 | bvk | drwahl: yes, u can |
| 17:41.56 | chops | afaict: Checked the BTS? |
| 17:42.27 | afaict | chops i'm trying but i'm a little lost there. |
| 17:42.28 | drwahl | is it more of an entire kernel with other supporting software? is that more accurate? |
| 17:42.40 | mooper | hi, Im using rsync with the -delete option but its not removing files that are not on the sender? can anyone help me set this up so rsync will replicate exactly the file structure on the sending machine |
| 17:42.46 | simonrvn | !+wiki Xen |
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| 17:42.59 | drwahl | will do |
| 17:43.05 | bvk | drwahl: yes |
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| 17:43.49 | simonrvn | meh |
| 17:43.52 | thnee | jelly: probably.. |
| 17:43.55 | drwahl | ok, i'm gonna go read up more on it now that i understand how it works with the system. thakns for the info! |
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| 17:44.02 | chops | mooper: Perhaps you need the --delete option instead |
| 17:45.58 | abrotman | !wiki xen |
| 17:46.01 | abrotman | bah .. oh well |
| 17:46.07 | themill | fail |
| 17:46.09 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 17:46.13 | abrotman | !debwiki abrotman xen |
| 17:46.14 | dpkg | abrotman: http://wiki.debian.org/xen |
| 17:46.18 | abrotman | simonrvn: ^^ |
| 17:46.20 | simonrvn | disabled the wikipedia command |
| 17:46.29 | simonrvn | oh, just slooooooow |
| 17:46.51 | simonrvn | that's not what i was asking for ;) |
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| 17:47.44 | afaict | anyone had bridge problems using bnx2 driver ?^ |
| 17:47.58 | simonrvn | no, since i don't use it. |
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| 17:48.37 | nouri | Hi. What's a good place to learn how to create Debian packages? |
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| 17:48.59 | stew | !mg |
| 17:48.59 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) lynx /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 17:49.55 | nouri | Thanks |
| 17:50.33 | stew | !mg =~ s#lynx#www-browser# |
| 17:50.33 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 17:50.51 | HelpMeTypeFaster | 9033A Bl. Gouin O. |
| 17:50.51 | HelpMeTypeFaster | MontrealQuebec |
| 17:50.51 | HelpMeTypeFaster | H4K1C3 |
| 17:50.55 | HelpMeTypeFaster | oh |
| 17:50.59 | HelpMeTypeFaster | goddamit |
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| 17:51.56 | benjamindees | Credit Card Number: |
| 17:52.02 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 17:53.06 | mooper | chops, thats the one Im using but it doesnt even build a file list...... |
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| 17:53.35 | chops | mooper: If it doesn't build a file list, chances are it's not going to delete any files either. What's the exact command and the full output (use pastebin please) |
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| 17:53.41 | chops | ? |
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| 17:55.41 | Haris | the kernel is building |
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| 18:02.04 | eddy___ | hello all |
| 18:02.24 | eddy___ | Can I ask a technical question straight off? |
| 18:02.30 | bvk | yes |
| 18:03.10 | simonrvn | !tell eddy___ -about ask |
| 18:03.33 | bvk | but i cannot guarantee an answer, of course ;) |
| 18:03.33 | abrotman | eddy___: first you must fill out the questionaire |
| 18:03.51 | abrotman | eddy___: your application will be processed in the order received. |
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| 18:04.15 | eddy___ | Right. I have changed my parent's computer from Slackware to Debian Etch (stable). My Mother's USB camera used to be recognised by hotplug and HAL and in Slackware, and now in Debian it says: |
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| 18:04.37 | simonrvn | don't paste in here |
| 18:05.00 | eddy___ | hub 3-0:1.0: Cannot Enable ort X. mabe USB Cable is Bad? |
| 18:05.03 | eddy___ | and also: |
| 18:05.10 | azeem | ort x? |
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| 18:05.23 | eddy___ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:05.49 | eddy___ | any hints? I have tried with the standard 2.6. and have also just updated to 2.6.25 with no change18 |
| 18:05.58 | eddy___ | 2.6.18 that is meant to be |
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| 18:06.40 | zgold | Can anybody direct me to the appropriate place to learn about how to get a new application into apt? |
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| 18:06.54 | simonrvn | try replugging it? |
| 18:07.08 | simonrvn | zgold: start with man apt |
| 18:07.11 | eddy___ | many times... just makes those messages appear more times! |
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| 18:07.27 | simonrvn | ! |
| 18:07.34 | eddy___ | This camera has previosuly worked with this cmputer, and currently works with another (non-debian) one |
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| 18:07.57 | simonrvn | how recent was the slack install? |
| 18:08.18 | stew | zgold: what do you mean exactly? you want to install some new program? you want to make some .deb available to apt-get? |
| 18:08.20 | eddy___ | it was a 12.0 |
| 18:08.23 | abrotman | !tell zgold about wnpp |
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| 18:08.33 | simonrvn | that tells me nothing |
| 18:08.34 | stew | simonrvn: i installed some slacks right before leaving the house |
| 18:08.43 | zgold | stew: the latter, an app which isnt already available in apt |
| 18:08.46 | simonrvn | stew: heh heh heh =) |
| 18:09.07 | eddy___ | Slackware 12.0 with a not-so-recent kernel 2.6.18 also maybe? |
| 18:09.22 | angryGhost | zgold: either edit source.list or download the *.deb and do apt-get install *.deb |
| 18:09.27 | stew | zgold: then yes, read what 'dpkg' told you about wnpp, and also ask dpkg about itp and rfp |
| 18:09.42 | zgold | stew: yep, reading dpkg now. Thanks :) |
| 18:09.46 | sente | fuse came installed on the VPS i'm using, but i couldn't get it to work, i kept getting "the device is not ready" errors (when trying to use truecrypt), so i built fuse2.7.3 from scratch. I was warned Fuse is already intalled so it it couldn't build it in Kernel mode. Now when I try and use truecrypt I get a diff error: "Error: No loopback device available" ... how can i uninstall or roll-back my fuse build? |
| 18:09.48 | simonrvn | well, given the same packages and similar kernel, with the same modules available, it should work regardless of distro |
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| 18:10.26 | stew | zgold: well those are if you want to make it available to everyone. if you just want to make it availablt to you or to a group of your users, there are other things to do |
| 18:10.30 | simonrvn | eddy___: so, given that, you should be able to do what you like, if you have the same or similar variables |
| 18:10.44 | zgold | stew: i'de like it to be available for everyone |
| 18:11.40 | eddy___ | well... it doesn't :p . What are my options - just the camera is misbehaving - the USB sticks work fine. I have never seens these messages (cannot enable port AND over-current) |
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| 18:12.38 | ponyofdeath | hi, im looking for a tool/script that will help me with adding / removing hosts from bind zone files. Does anyone know of such a tool? |
| 18:12.51 | Haris | When I build a kernel via source from scratch, is there an automatic way to have it added to grub's list? |
| 18:12.57 | simonrvn | this is where my experience lacks, and i'll say 2 things: google the error messages, and ask someone else, heh |
| 18:13.34 | Bushmills | eddie, you could alternatively remove camera flash mem and plug it into a reader, connected to computer. this usually speeds up transfer a lot too |
| 18:13.48 | zgold | stew: thanks for your help, going to send in an email :0 |
| 18:13.48 | bvk | Haris: after make install, do update-grub. It should do i guess |
| 18:13.50 | simonrvn | good point |
| 18:14.13 | stew | zgold: check first that there isn't already an existing ITP or RFP |
| 18:14.33 | eddy___ | harris: i have found this to be very useful: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 18:14.41 | zgold | stew: yep, did |
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| 18:15.17 | unixSnob | What kind of video driver is generic (like VESA), other than VESA? |
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| 18:15.20 | eddy___ | ok, thanks for the help. I will google a bit more, and maybe post to the list - this soulds like quite a specific issue! |
| 18:15.38 | eddy___ | VGA works too, but VESA tend to be really good |
| 18:15.39 | stew | unixSnob: vga |
| 18:15.54 | eddy___ | ok bye all! |
| 18:16.01 | unixSnob | VESA is failing me.. I'll have to try VGA |
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| 18:16.37 | unixSnob | I have a 400 dollar oxygen gvx420, and it doesn't handle vesa, apparently |
| 18:17.11 | unixSnob | So now that debian is installed, is using the vga driver simply a matter of altering the xorg.conf file? |
| 18:18.34 | stew | unixSnob: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 18:19.20 | unixSnob | thanks.. i'll try that |
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| 18:28.34 | twobitwork | is there a debian way to change gnome's default window manager? I tried the 'export WINDOW_MANAGER' in ~/.gnomerc way, but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 18:29.57 | valdyn | twobitwork: just start the new wm and save your session |
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| 18:30.04 | ignotus | hi, I need an iptables rule that accepts everything from a machine (on every ports), does this look right to you? "iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 192.168.22.111 -j ACCEPT" |
| 18:30.26 | twobitwork | valdyn: you mean.. from like an xterm, just run "./compiz" ? |
| 18:30.34 | valdyn | twobitwork: compiz --replace |
| 18:30.37 | twobitwork | ahh |
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| 18:31.27 | twobitwork | valdyn: ahh, I see why its not working... Xgl isn't found... how do I get that |
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| 18:31.28 | twobitwork | ? |
| 18:32.19 | good_dana | twobitwork: apt-cache search xgl |
| 18:32.19 | valdyn | twobitwork: you dont, you dont use xgl |
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| 18:32.45 | valdyn | twobitwork: you use aiglx, that is on by default if the appropriate packages are installed and the gfx driver you use supports it |
| 18:32.55 | valdyn | twobitwork: so, what is your X driver? |
| 18:33.05 | twobitwork | valdyn: how do I find that out? |
| 18:33.18 | valdyn | twobitwork: grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf.200507242151 |
| 18:33.20 | valdyn | twobitwork: grep -i driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 18:33.31 | twobitwork | ati |
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| 18:34.16 | valdyn | twobitwork: aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dri |
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| 18:34.33 | valdyn | twobitwork: that driver supports aiglx, for older ati chips |
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| 18:34.42 | twobitwork | ok, do I need to restart X when I install that? |
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| 18:34.49 | chops | ignotus: What you've entered will only accept TCP, of course (which may cause problems if iptables is configured to reject other things like ICMP or ARP). Otherwise that looks okay to me. |
| 18:34.54 | valdyn | twobitwork: if yours is to new, only way is using the proprietary driver "fglrx" |
| 18:35.04 | valdyn | twobitwork: no you dont |
| 18:35.08 | ignotus | chops: all right, thank you! |
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| 18:35.44 | twobitwork | ok, well, I installed that package, and compiz --replace doesn't work still |
| 18:35.53 | twobitwork | so should I try that proprietary driver? |
| 18:36.19 | maligor | what card is it? |
| 18:36.29 | twobitwork | ati |
| 18:36.44 | maligor | I mean model |
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| 18:37.16 | twobitwork | ~ |
| 18:37.17 | twobitwork | er |
| 18:37.18 | twobitwork | ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300] |
| 18:37.31 | twobitwork | that's what lspci says |
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| 18:37.42 | maligor | R420 huh |
| 18:37.58 | jelly-home | yeah, you'll need fglrx for that methinks |
| 18:38.21 | maligor | oh, no, it's R370 |
| 18:38.43 | LimCore | hello |
| 18:38.45 | LimCore | I bought the any new mobo as reccomended |
| 18:38.47 | LimCore | and it is a massive failure |
| 18:38.49 | LimCore | all works, but as I expected, sound fails (sound input - records at around 1% of volume) Yes I did set mic boost. |
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| 18:39.28 | maligor | I'm not so sure about fglrx, all I've heard about says that it's rather flaky on R300 devices |
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| 18:40.14 | twobitwork | I'm guessing I'll have to d/l fglrx from somewhere else, because I don't see it in apt |
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| 18:41.23 | deepu_ | how can i set PKG_CONFIG_PATH in debian |
| 18:41.35 | deepu_ | export "PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig" is this syntax is correct? |
| 18:41.48 | twobitwork | lose the quotes |
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| 18:42.26 | deepu_ | export KG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/pkgconfig now? |
| 18:42.31 | twobitwork | yes |
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| 18:43.55 | jelly-home | twobitwork: the quotes wont hurt there, btw |
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| 18:44.22 | twobitwork | jelly-home: ohh, you're right :) |
| 18:44.25 | simonrvn | is back in irssi |
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| 18:44.37 | summatusmentis | does anyone in here run debian under vmware fusion? I'm having trouble building vmware-tools from source |
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| 18:45.10 | twobitwork | summatusmentis: is it complaining about kernel headers? |
| 18:45.34 | dcnoye | summatusmentis: i do |
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| 18:46.30 | gladideg | http://pastebin.com/d3bdff794 - why do I recieve the makefile cannot be found error? |
| 18:47.11 | stew | gladideg: because Makefile doesn't exist |
| 18:47.22 | miggaiowski | hey, does anyone know how to make network-manager keep trying to connect to a wireless network when it goes down? Mine retries once then gives up... |
| 18:47.41 | summatusmentis | twobitwork: yeah, I'm trying to point it to the kernel headers I've got, and it's saying there's not a certain definition that it needs |
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| 18:47.48 | stew | gladideg: you likely need to run configure, but this should be explained by reading the INSTALL and/or README file |
| 18:47.51 | stew | s |
| 18:47.51 | summatusmentis | twobitwork: this si amd64, if it matters |
| 18:48.07 | gladideg | stew, yes I did run configure as the INSTALL says... strange enough I encounter this |
| 18:48.25 | gladideg | stew, nvm. :-) sorted it out |
| 18:48.36 | dcnoye | summatusmentis: http://www.thoughtpolice.co.uk/vmware/howto/debian-4.0-etch-vmware-tools-install.html |
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| 18:49.40 | summatusmentis | dcnoye: I've done all of that, and it fails |
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| 18:50.28 | deepu__ | how can i check the current path? echo $PATH? but its not showing /usr/lib? any error in setting path? |
| 18:50.54 | valdyn | deepu__: why would /usr/lib be in $PATH ? |
| 18:50.58 | stew | deepu__: /usr/lib would not normally be in ones PATH |
| 18:51.07 | miggaiowski | deepu__: u wanna know where u r? |
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| 18:51.35 | jelly-home | !u |
| 18:51.35 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:51.47 | hoxu | !wud |
| 18:51.47 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 18:51.48 | miggaiowski | deepu__: Maybe what u want is the command 'pwd' |
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| 18:52.07 | dcnoye | what does ls -d /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r)*/include yield ? |
| 18:52.13 | dcnoye | (summatusmentis ) |
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| 18:53.31 | summatusmentis | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-1-amd64/include |
| 18:53.55 | deepu__ | i got errors telling many .pc files missing while ./configure. when i search those i got in loc /usr/lib/pkgconfig so i've to set PKG_CONFIG_PATH To that right? |
| 18:54.12 | twobitwork | hmm... looks like fglrx is only in sid... |
| 18:54.23 | twobitwork | might not be worth it... |
| 18:54.24 | valdyn | !fglrx |
| 18:54.24 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati> |
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| 18:55.34 | dcnoye | summatusmentis: could you paste somewhere the exact error ? |
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| 18:55.52 | summatusmentis | dcnoye: not easily, it's just a CLI vm |
| 18:56.00 | twobitwork | E: Package fglrx-driver has no installation candidate |
| 18:56.57 | deepu__ | ow |
| 18:57.00 | deepu__ | bow |
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| 18:57.35 | dcnoye | summatusmentis: what i usually do when i'm working on vm's is ssh into them and work from on them remotely |
| 18:57.50 | miggaiowski | hey, does anyone know how to make network-manager keep trying to connect to a wireless network when it goes down? Mine retries once then gives up... |
| 18:58.01 | dcnoye | summatusmentis: much easier to copy and http://pastebin.com/ |
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| 19:00.10 | summatusmentis | dcnoye: oh, that makes a lot of sense... hold on |
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| 19:03.32 | summatusmentis | dcnoye: http://pastebin.ca/994908 |
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| 19:06.00 | summatusmentis | oh... I suppose I should put firewalls on my VMs now, since they're bridged... |
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| 19:06.46 | til | hi |
| 19:06.51 | til | anyone using suphp here? |
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| 19:06.57 | adrub | HI |
| 19:07.04 | summatusmentis | dcnoye: as you can see, it looks like errors in the code itself, or something weird about amd64, or something |
| 19:07.24 | til | since the security update i have this msgs: |
| 19:07.25 | dcnoye | thinking |
| 19:07.45 | adrub | I've got DVD 1 and DVD 2 with debian-40r3-i386... I don't have last one... Is it enough to install debian with gnome? :) |
| 19:07.47 | til | SoftException in Application.cpp:499: Directory /xyz ist not owned by xyz |
| 19:07.53 | til | any hints? |
| 19:08.57 | summatusmentis | adrub: iirc, yes |
| 19:09.00 | summatusmentis | it was on sarge |
| 19:09.00 | dcnoye | summatusmentis: are you migrating ? |
| 19:09.07 | summatusmentis | dcnoye: migrating from where? |
| 19:09.10 | moshii | til: You've checked the BTS right? |
| 19:09.18 | summatusmentis | dcnoye: these are just VMware fusion machines |
| 19:09.39 | adrub | summatusmentis, so tell me what is on last DVD ? :) something important? |
| 19:10.05 | dcnoye | it's odd, because vmware fusion is for the mac, so why would it be an amd kernel |
| 19:10.07 | summatusmentis | adrub: oh... DVDs, most definitely that's enough to install debian w/ Gnome |
| 19:10.28 | summatusmentis | dcnoye: it's just the amd64 extensions, x8-64 |
| 19:10.34 | summatusmentis | x86-64* |
| 19:10.38 | jelly-home | adrub: even just the first image is enough. if you have an internet connection, you can install everything (else) from the internet |
| 19:10.42 | summatusmentis | the macbook has a core 2 duo |
| 19:11.01 | moshii | summatusmentis: depends on the generation.. |
| 19:11.06 | summatusmentis | moshii: mine does |
| 19:11.44 | adrub | jelly-home, but I have to use ndiswrapper to prepeare my internet connection, cards, and so on... |
| 19:11.44 | moshii | summatusmentis: there are 3 machine that look the same,.. just because your's does doesn't mean they all do |
| 19:12.04 | summatusmentis | moshii: no, I'm aware of that. we're just talking about kernel types |
| 19:12.15 | summatusmentis | even the core duos are x86-64 processors |
| 19:12.34 | moshii | summatusmentis: first gen macbooks can't run a 64bit kernel. |
| 19:12.34 | til | moshii: now i did |
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| 19:12.59 | til | moshii: but there is no solution |
| 19:13.05 | summatusmentis | moshii: really? I was pretty sure the core duo CPUs could run a 64bit kernel |
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| 19:13.08 | summatusmentis | maybe I'm mistaken |
| 19:13.22 | dcnoye | summatusmentis: i believe that is your problem too |
| 19:13.23 | luquee | hi how project open source permit install RAS phone in linux |
| 19:13.35 | adrub | summatusmentis, jelly-home thanks for answers... I'm going now to install debian :) see u later ;p |
| 19:13.36 | luquee | in mode server |
| 19:13.58 | summatusmentis | dcnoye: but, why? vmware fusion is supposed to let you run 64 bit VMs |
| 19:13.58 | moshii | summatusmentis: read what I said, they are in the same chassis but are different machines. Apple like doing this sort of thing. |
| 19:14.08 | summatusmentis | moshii: yeah |
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| 19:14.55 | moshii | summatusmentis: iirc vmware only allow 64bit vm's on specific cpu's, not just any amd64 capable one. |
| 19:15.24 | lucianodrosda | Hi for all... Does anyone here have made a bewolf cluster using debian?? |
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| 19:15.41 | moshii | !anyone |
| 19:15.41 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 19:16.44 | summatusmentis | moshii: http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/system_requirements.html#c25837 if ubuntu can do it, theoretically debian should be able to, yes? |
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| 19:17.17 | moshii | summatusmentis: the machine is able to do X in ubuntu... this is tested? |
| 19:17.29 | vincentguy | the CD can't detect the network settings |
| 19:17.45 | LemensTS | im installing a new apt, and its asking me to put in my netinstall cd to /cdrom/ and hit enter. It is off site, but i can get an iso of it. How do i mount the iso to /cdrom/ so i can press enter? Ive read like 10 different ways not sure what the correct way is |
| 19:17.46 | vincentguy | I'm behind a wireless router how do I make it work |
| 19:17.47 | summatusmentis | moshii: I haven't tested x86-64 on ubuntu |
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| 19:18.15 | lucianodrosda | Ok dpkg... thank you! My question is because the university where I study will implement a cluster... I'm participating of the project, and need to share some experience with someone that have made something similar |
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| 19:18.48 | moshii | summatusmentis: from having deployed a big vmware server based solution,... I seem to remember vmware not allowing 64bit guests on some 64bit machines for *hardware* reasons. |
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| 19:19.55 | moshii | why anyone would run vmware on a macbook instead of justing using kvm is the real question.. |
| 19:20.07 | moshii | s/justing/just |
| 19:20.19 | summatusmentis | moshii: well, but what's the difference between an ubuntu 64-bit VM and a debian 64-bit VM? particularly if it says so on the website |
| 19:20.26 | summatusmentis | also, kvm is a linux thing |
| 19:20.47 | summatusmentis | isn't it? |
| 19:20.48 | moshii | summatusmentis: is it working on this *machine* with ubuntu? |
| 19:20.57 | rcbarnes | I'm playing around with some long grep results and I am having issues with color---from what I can tell from `man less' it doesn't support color escape sequences (or at least there are not options related to them, and my system just shows escape sequences). Am I missing something about less, or do I have to use another pager? (If the latter, what's one close to less but with ANSI color support?) |
| 19:20.59 | summatusmentis | I haven't tried it specifically on this machine, no |
| 19:21.07 | abrotman | maybe he sohuld ask #vmware? |
| 19:21.46 | moshii | summatusmentis: if ubuntu works, debian should. but maybe they have some patches, maybe 64bit stuff doesnt work full stop on that box. It's commercial software ;) |
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| 19:22.12 | LemensTS | mount file.iso /cdrom -t iso9660 -o loop |
| 19:22.16 | miggaiowski | how do I make network-manager keep trying to connect to a wireless network when it goes down? Mine retries once then gives up... |
| 19:22.16 | LemensTS | would that do it? |
| 19:22.24 | stew | rcbarnes: use grep --color=always ...... | less -R |
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| 19:22.28 | rcbarnes | Hm. I guess that question would be just as clear if it were "s/^.*---//". |
| 19:22.33 | RuyalarPrensi_ | !turk |
| 19:22.33 | dpkg | from memory, turk is #debian.tr |
| 19:22.35 | moshii | LemensTS: mount an iso image via a loopback |
| 19:22.54 | LemensTS | moshii: i need to mount an iso to /cdrom/ is that the command i want |
| 19:23.04 | moshii | LemensTS: man mount |
| 19:23.25 | rcbarnes | stew: D'oh! There is an option... Thanks! |
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| 19:27.10 | RuyalarPrensi_ | who will help me? |
| 19:27.53 | stew | RuyalarPrensi_: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 19:28.01 | lucianodrosda | what's your problem, ruyalarprensi? |
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| 19:31.37 | luquee | how i set most faster cloning disk with dd |
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| 19:32.54 | luquee | i try to set bs=1024 but te process is to slow |
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| 19:33.09 | luquee | mi hard disk is 80Gb |
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| 19:33.48 | mernil | behold, thy god, master and alltogether best of the best has arrived! :-) |
| 19:33.58 | Kasreyn | doh. i installed with x86 netinst cds when I needed AMD64 :/ |
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| 19:34.48 | mernil | takes down Kasreyn |
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| 19:34.58 | Kasreyn | Burnout Paradise? |
| 19:35.00 | stew | luquee: you can just use cp instead of dd, which would probably use a 4096 bs on most machines |
| 19:35.25 | mernil | that fucker sholdnt be around here! |
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| 19:35.34 | luquee | is for most machines they have same hardware |
| 19:35.42 | Kasreyn | ok so the way I think it worked was it somehow figured out my processor arch and downloaded those packages |
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| 19:35.50 | luquee | i like clone one disk |
| 19:36.16 | Kasreyn | it would be cool. but I guess making a multiple arch bootable cd would be kinda hard :) |
| 19:36.22 | mernil | luquee: behave you focka! |
| 19:36.37 | moshii | Kasreyn: there is a multiarch cd iirc |
| 19:36.42 | stew | mernil: do you have a debian related question? |
| 19:36.42 | mernil | or i will do something :-) |
| 19:36.45 | rcbarnes | What language is it that uses (* COMMENT *) for comments---lisp? |
| 19:36.52 | Kasreyn | moshii: really? where? |
| 19:37.00 | moshii | Kasreyn: most people are able to read and downlad the correct image however |
| 19:37.03 | stew | Kasreyn: http://get.debian.net/ has a amd64 / i386 / ppc cd |
| 19:37.05 | Kasreyn | i went to "get debian" and you have to select arch |
| 19:37.10 | mernil | stew: no.. no debina related question :-P |
| 19:37.20 | stew | mernil: then please keep quiet, or move on |
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| 19:37.40 | Kasreyn | to my defence. this was an old CD i had laying about |
| 19:37.48 | mernil | stew: say what you fuck? |
| 19:37.53 | moshii | Kasreyn:http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/multi-arch/iso-cd/ |
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| 19:38.07 | moshii | Kasreyn: i386, amd64, ppc |
| 19:38.09 | stew | mernil: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. in the fugure keep it on-topic |
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| 19:39.16 | luquee | i tri with dd clone disk |
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| 19:39.29 | luquee | but the proccess is to slow |
| 19:39.36 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 19:39.43 | jelly-ho | do the two of you have some sort of synchronized script to do that? |
| 19:39.49 | Kasreyn | didn't know which arch it was |
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| 19:40.06 | stew | jelly-ho: yeah, that's 3 times today |
| 19:40.33 | Kasreyn | moshii: nice :) |
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| 19:40.50 | Kasreyn | impressive |
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| 19:41.11 | Kasreyn | debian keeps ruling |
| 19:42.18 | luquee | I have done with norton ghost but I want to use a free tool |
| 19:42.23 | luquee | fast |
| 19:42.45 | moshii | luquee: you should backup the files, not the filesystem TBH |
| 19:42.49 | ``y7 | inside of the debian gui, im attempting to change the resolution/refresh rate and it won't allow me to select the drop down box on either. does this imply a bad driver for the monitor? if not, what's the problem? |
| 19:42.51 | stew | luquee: cp /dev/sourcedrive /dev/targetdrive |
| 19:43.13 | luquee | yea I try to cp |
| 19:43.23 | luquee | but the second disk not boot |
| 19:43.29 | luquee | the machine |
| 19:43.33 | sparr_ | 1 upgraded, 0 newly installed ... Need to get 0B/1421kB of archives. <-- why would the package already be downloaded but not already upgraded? |
| 19:43.36 | stew | luquee: what exact command did you use? |
| 19:43.47 | moshii | luquee: are you copying the how disk, or just a partition? |
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| 19:43.53 | moshii | luquee: s/how/whole |
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| 19:44.01 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 19:44.04 | luquee | dd if=dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
| 19:44.08 | solemnwarning | Why does mailman depend on apache? |
| 19:44.14 | luquee | bs=512 |
| 19:44.17 | miggaiowski | how do I make network-manager keep trying to connect to a wireless network when it goes down? Mine retries once then gives up... |
| 19:44.24 | abrotman | solemnwarning: it has a web interface |
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| 19:44.47 | jelly-home | tbh it doesn't need the web interface |
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| 19:45.02 | solemnwarning | My webserver is a different machine from the mailserver |
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| 19:45.21 | solemnwarning | I was planning on NFS mounting the archives, etc to the webserver |
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| 19:45.30 | abrotman | jelly-home: yes, i know, but they are in a single package |
| 19:45.38 | abrotman | solemnwarning: okay .. so install and then disable apache |
| 19:45.44 | abrotman | solemnwarning: crappy solution but it works |
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| 19:45.54 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: or install a fake httpd package |
| 19:46.16 | moshii | solemnwarning: can you not install thttpd or something to fill the dep. and then just disable it.. |
| 19:46.28 | jelly-home | "apache2 | httpd" |
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| 19:46.33 | jelly-home | !equivs |
| 19:46.33 | dpkg | [equivs] a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
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| 19:46.43 | gent_geen | I was trying to do a tail piped to grep search for any 1 of 3 IPs.... I tried tail -f /var/log/apache2/sm-access.log | grep "[207.172.198.184|216.15.103.164|68.32.27.8]" and it did not work as I expected. |
| 19:46.53 | gent_geen | can anyone point out my error? |
| 19:47.03 | jelly-home | gent_geen: egrep '(foo|bar|baz)' |
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| 19:48.28 | ``y7 | inside of the debian gui, im attempting to change the resolution/refresh rate and it won't allow me to select the drop down box on either. does this imply a bad driver for the monitor? if not, what's the problem? |
| 19:48.36 | gent_geen | jelly-home: thanks... that did it. |
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| 19:49.31 | moshii | ``y7: you mean within kde or something? |
| 19:49.32 | jelly-home | gent_geen: it will also match 68.32.27.81 |
| 19:50.09 | gent_geen | jelly-home: I can live with that for this time... but thanks for the FYI |
| 19:50.16 | ``y7 | moshii, inside of gnume |
| 19:50.41 | ``y7 | i went to desktop>preferences>screen resolution |
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| 19:52.11 | ``y7 | could it be because i'm vnced into the computer that it won't allow me to change it? |
| 19:52.55 | moshii | ``y7: the vncserver runs at a set resolution as far as I can tell, you have to set the resolution/depth when you start it |
| 19:53.24 | ``y7 | so why do you think it won't allow me to change it? |
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| 19:53.48 | ``y7 | i disconnected from the vnc and attempted and it still wouldn't allow me to change it. |
| 19:54.14 | valdyn | ``y7: you need to restart the vncserver with the resolution of your choice |
| 19:55.19 | valdyn | ``y7: the method via which you are trying to change resolution is "xrandr", run that program in a shell, see that its not supported by vncserver |
| 19:55.20 | ``y7 | the vnc server isn't the issue. i cannot change the resolution/refresh rate on the machine. with the vnc server closed... vnc has nothign to do with it, i just thought it might have not been allowing me to change it because i was vnced into it |
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| 19:55.49 | valdyn | ``y7: you can change the local display |
| 19:55.56 | ``y7 | im trying to change the local display |
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| 19:56.03 | valdyn | ``y7: but you need to use the proper $DISPLAY |
| 19:56.11 | ``y7 | desktop>preferences>screen resolution |
| 19:56.29 | valdyn | ``y7: "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr 4" |
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| 19:58.35 | valdyn | ``y7: i know you are trying this via gnome, but using "xrandr" you will get useful error messages |
| 19:58.55 | ``y7 | i typed what you told me to in, it gave me a list of options to use |
| 19:59.00 | ``y7 | i don't know how to use these options |
| 19:59.14 | valdyn | ``y7: i wont tell you because there'S a manpage |
| 19:59.25 | HSorgYves | morning, the network interface 3com 3c905c is not recognized by debian, is there a way to use another one (3c595?) or should i use a separate driver? |
| 19:59.56 | ``y7 | No manual entry for display |
| 19:59.58 | luquee | HSorgYves: is ethernet |
| 20:00.02 | ``y7 | how do i get to the man page? |
| 20:00.20 | HSorgYves | luquee: ? |
| 20:00.55 | doki_pen | pl g5 |
| 20:01.19 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: pci card? 3c59x driver ought to handle those and work out of the box |
| 20:01.30 | rgr | HSorgYves: use 3c59x . See here - http://www.usenet-forums.com/linux-networking/63004-newbie-question-ethernet-interfaces.html |
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| 20:01.54 | ``y7 | valdyn, how do i view the manual? man display does not work for me.... |
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| 20:05.28 | ``y7 | inside of gnome, im attempting to change the resolution/refresh rate and it won't allow me to select the drop down box on either(resolution or refresh rate). how can i fix this? Thanks. |
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| 20:07.07 | vjoe | hey |
| 20:07.32 | HSorgYves | thx jelly-home and rgr, when i select it from the list i am getting back to the list |
| 20:07.45 | HSorgYves | so it does not work :-( |
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| 20:08.36 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: you're installing the machine now? |
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| 20:08.59 | HSorgYves | yes |
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| 20:09.11 | Tadas | Hi |
| 20:09.41 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: yes |
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| 20:10.38 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: if you press alt-f3, use the console there, run "lsmod", do you see 3c59x in the output? |
| 20:11.47 | twobitwork | what's the proper way to start gnome for .xinitrc? I ran gnome-session which seemed to start most of it, but somethings aren't working right |
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| 20:12.10 | twobitwork | s/for/from |
| 20:12.15 | ``y7 | valdyn: xrandr -q gives me.... Can't open display |
| 20:12.19 | Tadas | Is it possible for NSS to cache information which was fetched using ldap? |
| 20:13.06 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: scrolling too fast, and i do not manage to pipe it through more... |
| 20:13.38 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: |grep 3c59x |
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| 20:14.05 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: or use shift-pgup to see the scrollback |
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| 20:14.30 | sander_ | When I do: apt-get --reinstall install debconf debconf-i18n .. I get: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debconf-i18n |
| 20:14.35 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: i managed using scroll-lock; i do not manage to get the pipe symbol typed... first Module is 3c59x with size 40360 and used by 0 |
| 20:14.36 | sander_ | When I reinstall the packages seperately.. it works all fine. |
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| 20:14.50 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: so it's loaded. |
| 20:15.03 | sander_ | This thingie makes it kinda hard to reinstall all packages on my system. |
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| 20:15.59 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: does "ifconfig eth0" return anything? |
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| 20:16.30 | ``y7 | valdyn, xrandr -q shows me that i only have 640x480 and 320x240, both in 60hz.... |
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| 20:16.51 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 20:17.07 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: hm. |
| 20:17.32 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: lspci|grep Ethernet ? |
| 20:17.51 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: er... just look for Ethernet ;-) |
| 20:18.00 | HSorgYves | i do not manage to get the | ... ;-) |
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| 20:18.32 | ``y7 | that key HSorgYves? |
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| 20:18.57 | jelly-home | it's not pasteable between the machines |
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| 20:19.32 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: no ethernet card listed :-( should i remove it, replug it and try again? |
| 20:19.50 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: try a different slot, aye |
| 20:20.54 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: is it a comparably old machine? which motherboard, cpu? |
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| 20:21.30 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys after applying my script, I can't log into my server from the outside (http://pastebin.com/m1128b53c that's my script) what could be going wrong? |
| 20:21.37 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: yes its quite old, but everything gets detected apart the 3com network card |
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| 20:22.13 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: in any case, if it's not visible in lspci, linux won't be able to do anything. So the first step is to make the machine detect it |
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| 20:22.47 | vincentguy | how do I make the netinst CD work from behind a wireless router |
| 20:23.01 | stew | unless its ISA |
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| 20:23.31 | abrotman | in which case, you've got another pile of problems :) |
| 20:23.44 | sander_ | dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | grep -E "^[d-z]" | xargs -L1 apt-get -y --reinstall install <-- I added -L1.. maybe that works |
| 20:23.44 | dpkg | No packages found matching | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | grep -E "^[d-z]" | xargs -L1 apt-get -y --reinstall install <-- I added -L1.. maybe that works |
| 20:24.22 | abrotman | !reinstall |
| 20:24.22 | dpkg | somebody said reinstall was aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 20:24.26 | abrotman | that ? |
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| 20:25.02 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: ok, thx, will take some time to reboot everytime... will be back as soon as i see it in lspci |
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| 20:28.11 | miggaiowski | how do I make network-manager keep trying to connect to a wireless network when it goes down? Mine retries once then gives up... |
| 20:28.17 | valdyn | _ZeuZ_: you have #iptables -A INPUT -p TCP --dport ssh -i eth2 -j ACCEPT -- depreciado, viejo. commented out |
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| 20:29.29 | _ZeuZ_ | Yup but it's fixed now.. |
| 20:29.29 | _ZeuZ_ | Actually, I'm having problems with streaming now |
| 20:29.52 | jelly-home | HSorgYves: if it's not a pci card but an isa one, it won't appear in lspci ever (but I think all '905 are PCI) |
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| 20:30.52 | gladideg | I accendently installed proftpd as a inetd service... Now I can't stop it, nor apt-get remove it... it just echo's: ProFTPd is started from inetd/xinetd. |
| 20:31.08 | jelly-home | gladideg: dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 20:31.30 | gladideg | jelly-home, thanks! |
| 20:31.32 | chops | gladideg: If you apt-get remove it, it should still be removed. You may still see that warning, but that's harmless. |
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| 20:32.33 | lucianodrosda | try #rm -r /* |
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| 20:33.00 | gladideg | ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
| 20:33.34 | HSorgYves | jelly-home: no its a pci card and it works in another slot, many many thx |
| 20:33.51 | jelly-home | !win HSorgYves |
| 20:33.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, HSorgYves! You have won the US presidency! |
| 20:34.10 | gladideg | jelly-home, I did the reconfigure, changed to standalone, choosed "keep settings", and this msg was outputted |
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| 20:34.25 | HSorgYves | ;-) i do not intend to! thx again and bye |
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| 20:35.07 | jelly-home | gladideg: oh well. apt-get --purge remove it? |
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| 20:35.46 | jelly-home | gladideg: if it's already removed, then that warning is expected |
| 20:36.32 | gladideg | jelly-home, ok I did this. Now it should be able to install fresh right? |
| 20:36.42 | jelly-home | gladideg: aye |
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| 20:37.00 | gladideg | Well, still get the error: ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
| 20:37.13 | gladideg | did the apt-get --purge remove |
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| 20:37.49 | jelly-home | gladideg: does inetd still keep the port open? after you purge it, can you do a "telnet localhost ftp"? |
| 20:38.26 | jelly-home | gladideg: if it connects, you need to restart inetd. "/etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart" probably |
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| 20:38.30 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 20:39.13 | SamuraiDio | i've just contracted a new web server with Debian Etch, but its installation does not have aptitude, that i'm used to, only apt-get... should i install aptitude? |
| 20:39.51 | gladideg | jelly-home, restarted inetd... Didn't work |
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| 20:40.05 | gladideg | I'll just reboot the server to se if it betters |
| 20:41.03 | jelly-home | gladideg: no idea then... perhaps there's a stray ftpd process holding the port, in which case a reboot will help |
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| 20:42.14 | gladideg | ah.. jelly-home, it did work. :-) |
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| 20:46.58 | _ZeuZ_ | ps ax | grep *ftp* |
| 20:47.06 | _ZeuZ_ | directly ps aux | grep ftp |
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| 20:49.42 | Mazingaro | please I got problem playing back videos xine and mplayer show this errors: X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)?,?% 0 0 |
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| 20:51.08 | Mazingaro | also youtube videos are very slow |
| 20:51.10 | linux_jones | does anyone perhaps know where in /dev my ipod is? |
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| 20:54.52 | unop | linux_jones, fdisk -l should list it if it was detected |
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| 20:59.27 | format_c | linux_jones, look in dmesg if there are any kernel messages |
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| 21:02.44 | stew | heh, i was disappointed to find out perl's [:print:] doesn't match characters with diacritical marks, but then it turned out to work exactly the way the client wanted it anyway |
| 21:03.48 | deadcat | what software do i use to edit raw files? from my camera |
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| 21:04.11 | \amethyst | stew: err, it does here if I set the locale and string encoding correctly |
| 21:04.54 | stew | \amethyst: hmm, i better double check that the user wasn't entering latin-1 where utf-8 was expected |
| 21:05.14 | \amethyst | stew: also, if input is UTF8, you need to binmode the input stream appropriately |
| 21:05.18 | \amethyst | or use encoding 'utf8' |
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| 21:05.35 | hunterp | ext3 undelete . help |
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| 21:06.07 | \amethyst | echo "é" | perl -e '$line = <>; chomp $line; print $line =~ /[[:print:]]/ ? "yes\n" : "no\n");' => no |
| 21:06.18 | \amethyst | echo "é" | perl -e 'binmode STDIN, ":utf8"; $line = <>; chomp $line; print $line =~ /[[:print:]]/ ? "yes\n" : "no\n");' => yes |
| 21:06.25 | stew | \amethyst: its running with the right locale, the data is coming from mysql db which is all utf8 |
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| 21:06.38 | stew | \amethyst: i don't trust that the user got the data into the db in proper utf8 though |
| 21:06.50 | \amethyst | stew: even if they did, that doesn't mean Perl knows that the data is UTF-8 |
| 21:06.59 | \amethyst | echo "é" | perl -e 'use encoding "utf8"; $line = <>; chomp $line; print $line =~ /[[:print:]]/ ? "yes\n" : "no\n");' => yes |
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| 21:07.24 | \amethyst | use encoding "utf8" tells Perl that strings should be interpreted as UTF-8 unless it is told otherwise |
| 21:09.46 | \amethyst | stew: oh, what you want might be $dbh->{mysql_enable_utf8} = 1; |
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| 21:10.11 | stew | \amethyst: well, even with 'use encoding "utf8";' i get the same results |
| 21:10.24 | \amethyst | stew: try the mysql_enable_utf8 thing on your DB handle |
| 21:10.30 | stew | \amethyst: well |
| 21:11.07 | stew | \amethyst: i know that what i'm doing now with lots of utf8 characters that i'm getting from this mysqldb is working, and it would not be wise to mess with it right now |
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| 21:12.11 | stew | \amethyst: AND i actually am benefitting from this defect right now. if this defect goes away on me, its not a big deal, but if i mess with everything else that is working, it could be bad |
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| 21:12.19 | stew | \amethyst: (though thanks for these insights) |
| 21:12.19 | \amethyst | heh |
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| 21:12.59 | \amethyst | stew: one issue might be that, if Perl doesn't know the strings' encodings, . in a regexp likely to match a byte, not a character |
| 21:13.16 | \amethyst | s/likely/is likely/ |
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| 21:15.02 | stew | \amethyst: this code runs on both windows and linux. i'm scared to mess with it :) |
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| 21:19.41 | xingu | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477454 |
| 21:19.43 | xingu | cracks up |
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| 21:21.55 | jelly-home | tee-hee. |
| 21:22.44 | jelly-home | he's Severity: serious about it. |
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| 21:23.13 | xingu | if you read 421167 you'll see why it ended up in there ;) |
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| 21:24.26 | jelly-home | bdo is a bit slow for me today |
| 21:24.31 | yipstar` | anyone know what package gives my hot-backup.py for svn? |
| 21:24.37 | yipstar` | s/my/me |
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| 21:29.25 | Mr-R | yipstar`: google? :-) |
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| 21:29.41 | vincentguy | how do I make the debian netinst cd recognize my wireless network card so it can use it |
| 21:30.07 | azeem | vincentguy: what kind of card do you have? |
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| 21:30.18 | yipstar` | Mr-R: i've been googling and can't locate it, subversion-tools doesn't seem to install it |
| 21:30.25 | vincentguy | it's not actually a card it's a usb thing |
| 21:30.39 | vincentguy | linksys wireless-g usb wireless network adapter |
| 21:30.40 | azeem | vincentguy: and you need that for installation? |
| 21:30.49 | vincentguy | it's the netinst cd, so yes.. |
| 21:31.00 | yipstar` | i used the one from tigris' site as well but that seems to fail on my etch install |
| 21:31.14 | vincentguy | it's the only way for me to get internet here |
| 21:31.16 | vincentguy | wifi |
| 21:31.22 | Mr-R | yipstar`: google for "hot-backup svn" third match is http://svn.collab.net/repos/svn/trunk/tools/backup/hot-backup.py.in and that looks good for me. |
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| 21:31.54 | azeem | vincentguy: then maybe use a full cd rather |
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| 21:32.06 | Mr-R | yipstar`: but i do not know the script. hot-backup sounds quite dangerous. so proceed with care. |
| 21:32.10 | vincentguy | ... |
| 21:32.22 | vincentguy | I don't have any cd-r's left |
| 21:32.57 | azeem | vincentguy: they aren't that expensive |
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| 21:33.23 | vincentguy | why is debian made so hard to install |
| 21:33.46 | azeem | uh |
| 21:33.59 | yipstar` | Mr-R: i've used it for ages, and yes i tried that one but its failing on etch for me with a very unhelpful file not found error |
| 21:34.00 | Maliuta | vincentguy: if you think it's hard then you are incompetent |
| 21:34.17 | azeem | Maliuta: good for you that vincentguy left already |
| 21:34.32 | \amethyst | Maliuta: wireless drivers being unsupported by the installer is not exactly incompetence |
| 21:34.33 | azeem | please drop the personal attacks |
| 21:35.00 | consferacy | I pay $53/month for my 2mbps limitless adsl connection.. is that cheap or expensive? |
| 21:35.06 | Mr-R | yipstar`: oh. sorry, i just joined the channel. what kind of error? |
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| 21:35.25 | Maliuta | \amethyst: no, but not being able to cope with it is |
| 21:35.53 | yipstar` | Mr-R: [Errno 2] No such file or directory |
| 21:36.09 | Mr-R | yipstar`: no line number? :) |
| 21:36.24 | yipstar` | Mr-R: nope :) |
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| 21:41.34 | yipstar` | yipstar@dev:~$ dpkg -S hot-backup.py |
| 21:41.34 | yipstar` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.35 | yipstar` | dpkg: *hot-backup.py* not found. |
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| 21:42.28 | yipstar` | sorry didn't realize you require a paste |
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| 21:46.45 | jelly-home | yipstar`: if the package you need isn't installed, you'll have to use apt-file, or http://packages.debian.org |
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| 21:50.19 | js1 | any ideaS? |
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| 21:51.24 | Asmooh | hi, is exim4 broken again? |
| 21:51.33 | azeem | Asmooh: which version of Debian? |
| 21:51.41 | Asmooh | eh 4.0 unstable |
| 21:51.48 | azeem | unstable isn't 4.0 |
| 21:51.52 | azeem | 4.0 is stable |
| 21:52.06 | azeem | so you're running unstable? |
| 21:52.10 | Asmooh | yea |
| 21:52.18 | azeem | so check the bts |
| 21:52.18 | Asmooh | and i want to upgrade |
| 21:52.31 | Asmooh | but exim4 is broken now |
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| 21:52.43 | azeem | Asmooh: I hope you're not surprised |
| 21:52.52 | Asmooh | its the first time |
| 21:52.55 | Asmooh | so yes i am |
| 21:53.32 | azeem | well, it's unstable |
| 21:53.36 | Asmooh | Starting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments |
| 21:53.36 | Asmooh | invoke-rc.d: initscript exim4, action "start" failed. |
| 21:53.42 | Asmooh | dpkg: error processing exim4-daemon-heavy (--configure): |
| 21:53.42 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to paster. |
| 21:53.51 | azeem | Asmooh: why did you say "... again" above if it's the first time? |
| 21:54.06 | Asmooh | well. i never ever had any broken packages |
| 21:54.08 | Asmooh | ubprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 21:54.24 | Asmooh | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of exim4: |
| 21:54.29 | Asmooh | thats all :) |
| 21:54.31 | azeem | Asmooh: everybody gets broken by unstable for the first time at some point |
| 21:54.41 | Asmooh | yea |
| 21:54.51 | Asmooh | but no mail = no work |
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| 21:54.54 | madmac2501 | i am trying to build a debian package using dh_make but i want to include multiple .tar.gz not just one, how can i do it? |
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| 21:55.44 | extor | Is there much difference between debian testing and ubuntu? Just curious what frills they added |
| 21:56.28 | azeem | Asmooh: why are you running unstable if you need to do work? |
| 21:56.47 | Asmooh | because i always do and i never had any problems |
| 21:56.59 | azeem | Asmooh: that's not a sensible answer |
| 21:57.22 | azeem | it's like continuing with russian roulette, "because so far I never got hit by the bullet" |
| 21:57.44 | Asmooh | azeem, even the stableone is broken.. |
| 21:58.00 | azeem | Asmooh: how do you know? |
| 21:58.08 | Asmooh | updates my sources.list |
| 21:58.13 | Asmooh | updated* |
| 21:58.18 | azeem | downgrades are not supported |
| 21:58.26 | azeem | neither is unstable |
| 21:58.34 | Asmooh | i deleted it first |
| 21:58.41 | Asmooh | but it uses the old one i think |
| 21:58.42 | azeem | Asmooh: if you run unstable, you're supposed to be able to fix your system by yourself |
| 21:58.42 | stew | madmac2501: having mutiple upstream tarballs is a feature only supported by the very latest dpkg (as of this month) so you couln't do that in, for instance debian stable or testing. you'd have to combine the multiple tarballs into one |
| 21:58.49 | azeem | Asmooh: deleted what? |
| 21:58.54 | Asmooh | exim |
| 21:59.54 | madmac2501 | stew: i just extract them and do a big tar.gz? if so, with which directory structure? |
| 22:00.01 | azeem | Asmooh: are you sure you didn't just mess up /etc/init.d/exim4 or /etc/default/exim4 ? |
| 22:00.06 | Asmooh | nah |
| 22:00.08 | Asmooh | i did nothing |
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| 22:00.40 | js1 | fwrite in hyperterminal works (no ^@ crap) |
| 22:00.41 | totocool | hi all |
| 22:00.42 | azeem | Asmooh: so did you check the bts? |
| 22:00.42 | Asmooh | i think im going to delete debian from my server between now and a month |
| 22:00.43 | stew | madmac2501: with whatever directory structure you want |
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| 22:00.56 | azeem | Asmooh: wait, you're running Debian unstable ON A SERVER? |
| 22:01.03 | totocool | is there any way to install intel graphics accelerator drivers ? |
| 22:01.03 | azeem | Asmooh: please delete it ASAP |
| 22:01.05 | madmac2501 | stew: thanks |
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| 22:01.25 | Asmooh | yea |
| 22:01.37 | Asmooh | because debian stable stuff is one year old |
| 22:01.38 | azeem | anyway, the problem is |
| 22:01.44 | azeem | 23:51 < Asmooh> Starting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments |
| 22:01.53 | azeem | Asmooh: yeah, email changed dramatically over the last year |
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| 22:02.29 | Asmooh | azeem, well the problem is i didnt do anything |
| 22:02.38 | azeem | you did |
| 22:02.41 | azeem | you installed unstable |
| 22:02.46 | azeem | or did somebody else do that? |
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| 22:03.12 | Asmooh | nah i did.. but i think when u run instable never update it |
| 22:03.16 | Asmooh | because then its broken |
| 22:03.26 | Mr-R | Asmooh: do you run debian 4.0 or unstable. i am a bit confused. 4.0 is etch. and etch is not unstable |
| 22:03.31 | madmac2501 | stew: inside the big tar.gz i put the smallers tar.gz or i decompress them? |
| 22:03.41 | Asmooh | i dont know all the names debian using |
| 22:03.43 | azeem | Mr-R: please read along, we established that 15 minutes ago |
| 22:03.43 | Asmooh | just unstable |
| 22:03.45 | madmac2501 | and then do the big tar.gz |
| 22:03.55 | Mr-R | azeem: oh. sorry |
| 22:04.09 | stew | madmac2501: up to you. as long as your debian/rules knows how to build with whatever comes out of the big orig.tar.gz |
| 22:04.24 | madmac2501 | ok, thanks |
| 22:04.30 | Asmooh | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/9d0c309b8bcba495 |
| 22:04.34 | Asmooh | guess what |
| 22:04.38 | Asmooh | im not the onlyonre |
| 22:04.45 | madmac2501 | just a tar would be fine? |
| 22:05.11 | azeem | Asmooh: nobody said you were |
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| 22:05.31 | madmac2501 | orig.tar instead of orig.tar.gz |
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| 22:06.06 | azeem | madmac2501: why would you prefer that? |
| 22:06.10 | stew | madmac2501: no, it must be orig.tar.gz |
| 22:06.33 | madmac2501 | azeem: for not compressing again the smaller tar.gz |
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| 22:08.11 | JW | How can I "Cross-grade" from 32 bit etch to 64 bit etch? |
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| 22:11.16 | Asmooh | soo anyway there is nothing to do |
| 22:11.45 | azeem | JW: you cannot |
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| 22:11.55 | JW | azeem: it's that bad, eh? |
| 22:11.59 | azeem | yes |
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| 22:12.03 | JW | Is that because it affects the file systema dn everything? |
| 22:12.18 | JW | I can't just upgrade the kernel and libc? :-D |
| 22:12.19 | azeem | it's because the two are incompatible |
| 22:12.26 | JW | bummer. |
| 22:12.31 | azeem | wait |
| 22:12.40 | azeem | "just upgrade the kernel" isn't a cross-grade |
| 22:12.47 | jelly-home | Asmooh: you could try and figure out which are the " exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments " and work around those |
| 22:12.50 | azeem | you can upgrade the kernel to 64bit |
| 22:12.55 | JW | azeem: well maybe I asked the question the wrong way |
| 22:12.56 | azeem | not userland though |
| 22:13.22 | JW | azeem: I have a perfectly working 32 bit Wtch insatll on a quad proc/dual core (8 core) system with 16GB of RAM |
| 22:13.25 | jelly-home | JW: debian doesn't support changing from i386 to amd64 without a reinstall |
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| 22:13.30 | JW | and mysql (it was supposed to be a DB server) |
| 22:13.38 | JW | the performance was absolutely dismal |
| 22:13.45 | JW | it's NOT amd |
| 22:13.49 | JW | it's intel Xeon |
| 22:13.52 | hellues | yavuz cetin cheeroke |
| 22:13.56 | azeem | JW: amd64 is the architecture |
| 22:14.03 | JW | even though it's Intel? Ok. |
| 22:14.06 | azeem | yes |
| 22:14.08 | JW | ok |
| 22:14.11 | jelly-home | JW: for this purpose, core2duo is also an amd64 |
| 22:14.15 | JW | well I gues I'd better get a new CD and try again. |
| 22:14.17 | JW | ok |
| 22:14.26 | azeem | JW: just install the 64bit kernel for starters |
| 22:14.27 | JW | that's not very clear to the average idiot like me |
| 22:14.32 | azeem | if that doesn't help, you can still reinstall 64bit |
| 22:14.42 | JW | ok - do I need to chagen my apt sources.list? |
| 22:14.46 | azeem | no |
| 22:14.49 | JW | ok |
| 22:14.55 | azeem | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 22:15.04 | azeem | JW: I assume you're running 4.0? |
| 22:15.11 | JW | I have an sql benchmark running now (after I upgraded to -bigmem, which I should have done the first time around) |
| 22:15.16 | JW | etch stable 4.0, yes |
| 22:15.33 | azeem | there should be something like linux-image-2.6.18-*-amd64 |
| 22:15.34 | jelly-home | JW: well, instead of -bigmem, use the -amd64 kernel flavor |
| 22:16.01 | JW | ok |
| 22:16.20 | extor | If I do a dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda will that for sure to a zero write on every single part of my hdd or is there a chance it may leave some area untouched, which may potentially have part of a rootkit? |
| 22:16.54 | hellues | rise against state of union |
| 22:17.32 | JW | azeem: if I just upgrade as-is to the -amd64 kernel, what will that do to mysql? |
| 22:17.39 | JW | WHich I assume is currently the 32 bit mysql |
| 22:17.49 | JW | whatever is normal on etch i386 |
| 22:17.51 | azeem | nothing |
| 22:17.56 | azeem | AFAIK |
| 22:18.01 | JW | won't make it angry? :-) |
| 22:18.14 | benjamindees | extor, yes it will, assuming it is an unmounted drive |
| 22:18.15 | azeem | in that case, reboot into the old kernel again |
| 22:18.32 | azeem | but I don't think it will, the 64bit kernel can run 32bit apps fine |
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| 22:19.20 | jelly-home | JW: it will just be able to use all the (32bit) address space normally available to it, just without the hoops the -bigmem kernel has to jump through. it's like a more efficient bigmem kernel. |
| 22:19.23 | AssociateX | Hello people |
| 22:19.54 | benjamindees | extor, and assuming the currently running kernel and dd and ld-linux and whatever libraries dd depends upon are clean |
| 22:20.15 | extor | I will be doing it from a knoppix boot cd |
| 22:20.16 | extor | hehe |
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| 22:21.04 | doulouns | hi! |
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| 22:21.51 | doulouns | I'd need a help to run beryl on etch with aiglx |
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| 22:22.12 | benjamindees | extor, and your BIOS of course :) |
| 22:22.19 | doulouns | anybody could help me please? |
| 22:23.27 | extor | Does unstable generally have a lot fewer .deb packaged available to it than testing does? |
| 22:23.36 | extor | I wonder if I should switch to unstable from testing |
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| 22:24.43 | benjamindees | extor, I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but every package goes through unstable to get to testing; testing lags two weeks behind unstable. |
| 22:25.11 | benjamindees | extor, rather, packages automatically move from sid to testing after two weeks if there are no huge bugs |
| 22:26.33 | benjamindees | extor, so sid should never have less packages than testing |
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| 22:26.33 | extor | ok so the lag is just 2 weeks then |
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| 22:26.47 | doulouns | ok... |
| 22:27.03 | doulouns | May be I should try later.... |
| 22:27.03 | namit | hey what packages does the mail command come in? |
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| 22:28.09 | jelly-home | !tell namit about search |
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| 22:28.25 | benjamindees | namit, lots |
| 22:28.49 | jelly-home | namit: /msg dpkg find bin/mail$ |
| 22:28.50 | AssociateX | http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/refcard-en-lt.pdf <--- that's awesome |
| 22:29.12 | jelly-home | namit: there's also mailx |
| 22:29.51 | AssociateX | err, I should have wrote: the debian reference card thing is awesome. |
| 22:29.58 | namit | I can not find it in search find lots of other mail clients, but thanks think dpkg is coming back with something |
| 22:30.43 | namit | thanks for that got it |
| 22:31.41 | benjamindees | or, not lots I guess :( |
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| 22:33.28 | Asmooh | well |
| 22:33.39 | Asmooh | i installed an older version of exim4 included al the crap |
| 22:33.43 | Asmooh | any i get mails again |
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| 22:36.03 | vi390 | Iam using "find dir/ -type f -exec md5sum \{\} \; > test" to create a md5 file. But how do I check the whole directory later on the other system ? |
| 22:36.49 | jelly-home | the same way to create the file, then diff the two? |
| 22:37.23 | vi390 | aah good idea :-) |
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| 22:38.04 | jelly-home | might have to |sort -k2,2 -- directory entries might be ordered differently |
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| 22:38.45 | jelly-home | bash: diff -u <(sort -k2,2 md5sums.old) <(sort -k2,2 md5sums.new) |
| 22:39.19 | vi390 | ok .. thanks |
| 22:39.29 | Asmooh | but now i cant upgrade exim because its broken |
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| 22:39.32 | Asmooh | strange crap |
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| 22:40.43 | benjamindees | vi390, can't you do 'md5sum -c test' from the top level dir? |
| 22:41.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | Quick question, I installed etch and got wonderful Firewire support. It was recognized as a network card immediately and supported any firewire disk I connected. I recently updated to 2.6.24 and Firewire isn't even detected, what should I do to restore functionality? |
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| 22:48.59 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: did you build your own kernel? |
| 22:49.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | No |
| 22:49.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | Just apt-get'd it |
| 22:49.14 | jelly-home | where from? |
| 22:49.15 | Blast_Hardcheese | then installed the nvidia drivers |
| 22:49.36 | Nyle | good evening guys |
| 22:49.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | The standard reps for etch |
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| 22:49.46 | jelly-home | blinks |
| 22:49.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | Hmm? |
| 22:49.58 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6.24 etch |
| 22:50.03 | jelly-home | !info linux-image-2.6.24-686 etch |
| 22:50.05 | Nyle | jelly-home, what? no |
| 22:50.17 | Nyle | 2.6.18 unless you backport or bpo |
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| 22:50.20 | Nyle | you know that. |
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| 22:50.41 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r)" |
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| 22:51.23 | Borbus | Hi, I have a Debian box with a cups server running on it... I am trying to print somethign from my arch linux box, my local cups "sees" the printer on the server but I get quota limit reached whatever I try to do.. |
| 22:51.30 | jelly-home | Nyle: I don't know anything. etch and a half could be in the archive. |
| 22:51.35 | Borbus | Printing with samba works fine |
| 22:51.45 | Nyle | jelly-home, etch? as in stable? as in frozen solid? |
| 22:51.47 | ``y7 | xrandr -q shows me that i only have 640x480 and 320x240, both in 60hz. could my problem be display drivers? if so, how do i go about fixing them? |
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| 22:51.49 | Nyle | I don't think so. |
| 22:52.00 | jelly-home | !tell Nyle -about etchnhalf |
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| 22:52.23 | Nyle | jelly-home, oh that is nifty! |
| 22:52.29 | Nyle | sweet |
| 22:52.40 | Nyle | debian stable doesn't suck anymore all of a sudden |
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| 22:52.59 | Nyle | in new hw support regard that is... |
| 22:53.15 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: it's entirely possible that something related to your fw controller is broken or significantly changed in 2.6.24 :-| |
| 22:53.42 | Nyle | jelly-home, this if going to be officially supported? |
| 22:53.45 | Nyle | this etchnhalf thing |
| 22:53.52 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: however, I wasn't aware that 2.6.24 was already put in the etch repositories |
| 22:53.55 | Nyle | or is it like bpo? unofficial |
| 22:54.01 | jelly-home | Nyle: afaict, yes |
| 22:54.05 | Nyle | wow |
| 22:54.19 | Nyle | all i can say is... about time. |
| 22:54.31 | Nyle | about GODAMN time |
| 22:54.48 | jelly-home | installs using kmuto's images anyway |
| 22:54.53 | Nyle | you know |
| 22:55.03 | Nyle | I have never had luck with kenshi's work |
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| 22:55.29 | Nyle | just dunno why, didn't bother to find out. I can install using them, but when I boot into the freshly installed system, on every single kmuto image I've tried, it panics |
| 22:55.32 | Nyle | or hangs |
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| 22:55.43 | Nyle | or doesn't go past a certain point and just sits there... they've never worked for me |
| 22:56.19 | Nyle | maybe my hw is whacky, who knows. |
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| 22:56.47 | Nyle | I don't, and I don't care to find out, I use testing/unstable anyway... then again I got rid of a lot of my machines due to electric bill... now I do virtual machines |
| 22:57.07 | Nyle | which is cost effective, and a bit featureless when you need native hw support under a virtualized os |
| 22:57.14 | jelly-home | they usually worked for the hardware I can put my hands on (HP servers, and misc but usually decent PCs) |
| 22:57.34 | Nyle | I built a custom desktop for myself and been trying to get etch no dice |
| 22:57.46 | Nyle | unstable amd64 skips along quite nicely |
| 22:57.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | jelly-home: http://whattheflash.com/policy |
| 22:58.04 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: that's not etch. |
| 22:58.06 | Blast_Hardcheese | I apparently installed 2.6.24 from unstable |
| 22:58.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | It's not? |
| 22:58.29 | Nyle | etch only comes from debian mirrors |
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| 22:58.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.01 | Blast_Hardcheese | That's not a debian mirror? |
| 22:59.03 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: you installed packages from testing or unstable, you don't have an etch system any more. those packages pull their dependencies, etc. |
| 22:59.04 | Nyle | that is |
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| 22:59.11 | Nyle | Blast_Hardcheese, what is whattheflash/policy |
| 22:59.13 | Nyle | w/e? |
| 22:59.19 | jelly-home | Nyle: that's his site. |
| 22:59.23 | Nyle | oh |
| 22:59.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | "apt-cache policy linux-image-$(uname -r)" |
| 22:59.34 | jelly-home | right |
| 22:59.47 | Nyle | Blast_Hardcheese, you still have the older kernel |
| 22:59.55 | Nyle | boot with it, and remove this unstable kernel |
| 23:00.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | Yeah, but I need something newer than or equal to .22, |
| 23:00.28 | jelly-home | it doesn't matter really, the newer kernel pulled newer initramfs-tools etc |
| 23:00.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | they fixed a major bug that was crashing my entire system |
| 23:00.45 | Nyle | jelly-home, you are telling me you can't go back? |
| 23:00.51 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: hm, there's 2.6.22 at backports.org |
| 23:00.58 | jelly-home | !downgrade |
| 23:00.58 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 23:01.08 | Nyle | mhmm |
| 23:01.17 | Nyle | well maybe for the general public there is no kernel downgrading |
| 23:01.19 | Blast_Hardcheese | So what do I do? |
| 23:01.51 | Blast_Hardcheese | Am I running on a potentially dangerous system? |
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| 23:02.06 | Nyle | potentially maybe |
| 23:02.14 | Nyle | never mix debian distros together |
| 23:02.15 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: if you can verify via /var/log/dpkg.log that no other packages were pulled from unstable or testing, remove them from your sources.list, and try 2.6.22 from bpo |
| 23:02.19 | Spida | everything is potentially dangerous |
| 23:02.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | jelly-home: Alright |
| 23:02.53 | Nyle | Spida, we're not talking about everything. We're dicussing HIS one system. |
| 23:03.08 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: if you have more packages from testing/unstable, and this is a going to be a server machine, I'd suggest a reinstall |
| 23:03.28 | Nyle | jelly-home, I was hoping you wouldn't say that |
| 23:03.29 | Nyle | heh |
| 23:03.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | crap. |
| 23:03.41 | jelly-home | restore from backup, whatever ;-) |
| 23:03.52 | Blast_Hardcheese | It _is_ the backup server :) |
| 23:04.03 | Nyle | as soon as you have a working system installed and configured like you want |
| 23:04.10 | Nyle | make a image of the hdd |
| 23:04.13 | jelly-home | afair kernel images don't pull lots of dependencies, but some they do |
| 23:04.15 | Nyle | keep it around |
| 23:04.35 | Nyle | always |
| 23:04.39 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm not too clear with how Linux works yet, I didn't really know what the preferred way of backing up stuff was |
| 23:04.51 | Nyle | I haven't reinstalled in ages.. I restore from images of hdds, I got tons of diff os like that |
| 23:04.54 | Nyle | :D |
| 23:05.03 | Nyle | Blast_Hardcheese, its alright, I'm a nerd with this shit |
| 23:05.10 | Nyle | I don't know much, so I play around |
| 23:05.24 | Nyle | Blast_Hardcheese, but don't do that on a production backup server! |
| 23:05.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | I only have one machine that can run Debian so far, my laptops run DSL |
| 23:06.23 | Blast_Hardcheese | and I've just gotten started with actual Linux, I played around with it before but I couldn't see what it could do for me, so I gave up and went back to OSx |
| 23:06.39 | Nyle | I went back to xp home |
| 23:06.45 | Nyle | I'm still on xp home |
| 23:06.51 | Blast_Hardcheese | I can tell you anything you want about OSx though, :D |
| 23:07.04 | Nyle | I still couldn't tell you anything about windows or linux or anything |
| 23:07.14 | Nyle | I know nussin' |
| 23:07.20 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm in the middle of rewriting the package installation system on OSx to make it more like dpkg |
| 23:07.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'd like to be able to install and uninstall, MacOS doesn't do that currently. |
| 23:07.42 | Blast_Hardcheese | You install and it kinda... nukes everything else. |
| 23:07.49 | Nyle | mhm |
| 23:07.57 | Nyle | well then get right to it |
| 23:08.09 | Nyle | there is probably a #darwin or a ##macosx or something |
| 23:08.19 | poseidon | Is there a repository where I can download packages then transfer them to another computer and install them? (without having to find all their dependencies? |
| 23:08.21 | unop | doesn't fink already do something like that ? |
| 23:08.58 | Nyle | poseidon, that is a good question |
| 23:09.03 | Blast_Hardcheese | unop: Only for stuff ported for linux, not .pkg files |
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| 23:09.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | Installer.app packaged files, no. |
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| 23:09.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | jelly-home: linux-headers, linux-kbuild, linux-libc-dev, libc6-dev, libstdc++6-4.2-dev, g++-4.2, build-essential |
| 23:09.39 | jelly-home | poseidon: what do you mean, without having to find the dependencies? |
| 23:09.51 | unop | poseidon, you still need to satisfy dependencies - they're important and can't be ignored |
| 23:09.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | Just went through and found all of the things that have been installed (other than my nvidia drivers) |
| 23:10.01 | ``y7 | xrandr -q shows me that i only have 640x480 and 320x240, both in 60hz. how can i get a higher resolution? |
| 23:10.03 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: and libc6 somewhere before that. |
| 23:10.38 | Nyle | jelly-home, without manually getting each dependant package from PDI |
| 23:10.40 | Nyle | PDO |
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| 23:11.02 | poseidon | I mean that the installer has all the dependiencies with it |
| 23:11.03 | Nyle | the only way I know is pdo + manual download of packages and thier listed dependencies |
| 23:11.24 | poseidon | rather than needing the internet to get them. |
| 23:11.26 | JW | azeem: hey I tried the amd64 kernel and when I try to boot I get "Your CPU does not support long mode. Try a 32-bit distribution" |
| 23:11.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | jelly-home: No, libc6 was after 2.6.24 |
| 23:11.41 | jelly-home | poseidon: what are you really trying to do, upgrade a machine without an internet connection? |
| 23:11.43 | JW | azeem: so I guess it's not a 64 bit system afterall. |
| 23:11.48 | azeem | JW: looks like |
| 23:11.53 | azeem | not every Xeon is 64bit |
| 23:12.03 | JW | azeem: so the big-mem kernel was the best I could do |
| 23:12.06 | Nyle | poseidon, I dunno if I understand you fully, but do you mean, PC A downloads pcakges, you take the packages from /var/apt/cache etc. etc. and transfer them to another machine? |
| 23:12.09 | azeem | yeah |
| 23:12.16 | Nyle | poseidon, thats the only way I know to satisfy depends like that |
| 23:12.20 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 23:12.39 | JW | the bibmem kernel DID recognise the rest of the 16GB of RAM but mysql bench wasn't any faster anyway |
| 23:12.42 | Blast_Hardcheese | 2.7-10 |
| 23:12.43 | unop | poseidon, what you could do is run something like 'apt-get install foobar --print-uris' - that'll generate a list of urls that can be used with wget or curl on another machine |
| 23:12.43 | JW | *bigmem |
| 23:12.50 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: that's unstable. |
| 23:12.57 | Nyle | poseidon, for example, on 1 box, type apt-get install mplayer, and take all the downloaded packages from /var/apt/cache etc. and put them on another pc and dpkg -i or put them in same apt/cache location and try apt-get |
| 23:13.01 | Nyle | dunno... |
| 23:13.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | Can I roll it back? It doesn't seem like it updated anything too massive |
| 23:13.15 | unop | Nyle, --print-uris :) |
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| 23:13.16 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: if you want etch, reinstall (and don't put testing or unstable in sources.list) |
| 23:13.28 | poseidon | nyle, thanks |
| 23:13.32 | Nyle | unop, what? |
| 23:13.40 | Nyle | scratches head |
| 23:13.41 | unop | Nyle, nvm, he bought it |
| 23:13.54 | Nyle | unop, if there is a better way please tell me |
| 23:13.58 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is there any benefit to running an etch box that doesn't work fully? |
| 23:14.02 | Nyle | unop, being a newbie I would love to learn |
| 23:14.11 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: doesn't work fully? |
| 23:14.38 | Nyle | nothing is useful if it doesn't do its job properly, really, imo. |
| 23:14.53 | unop | Nyle, apt-get install packagename --print-uris -- will generate a list of urls for the package and all it's dependencies -- you then use that with wget or something else on another machine |
| 23:14.54 | Blast_Hardcheese | NFS killed itself when it was under high file access conditions |
| 23:15.05 | Nyle | unop, ooohhhh! |
| 23:15.06 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: instead of using packages from unstable, use the ones from backports.org that are built with etch' dependencies |
| 23:15.11 | Nyle | unop, holy shizboo |
| 23:15.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | jelly-home: I thought I was doing that :\ |
| 23:15.19 | Nyle | unop, thats freaking fantastic |
| 23:15.20 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: NFS v2, v3? tcp? udp? |
| 23:15.33 | Blast_Hardcheese | jelly-home: NFSv4, tcp |
| 23:15.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | It was a problem with my kernel |
| 23:15.41 | Nyle | unop, oh no |
| 23:15.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | They fixed it in 2.6.22 |
| 23:15.47 | Nyle | unop, he couldn't get internet on 2nd pc |
| 23:16.03 | Nyle | unop, though he can still dl the packages on machine 1 and transfer to machine 2 |
| 23:16.08 | unop | Nyle, the second machine is the debian machine right? |
| 23:16.16 | Nyle | unop, both debian machiens |
| 23:16.22 | Nyle | I dunno, ask poseidon |
| 23:16.23 | unop | Nyle, the good thing about this is, the other machine does not need to be a debian machine |
| 23:16.30 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: oh. 0 experience with v4, sorry. But you're in luck, there's a 2.6.22 at backports.org. Or you can build your own kernel from vanilla sources! |
| 23:16.34 | Nyle | unop, well, the first one you me an |
| 23:16.35 | Nyle | true |
| 23:16.55 | Nyle | mean* |
| 23:17.13 | unop | poseidon, what os does the machine with the net connection run? |
| 23:17.14 | Nyle | unop, thats pretty cool, given the 2nd machine has internet |
| 23:17.20 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: any special reason to run NFSv4? v3 is quite stable. |
| 23:18.24 | Blast_Hardcheese | I thought the newest one was better for something like a file server |
| 23:18.45 | Nyle | unop, and wasn't it supposed to be URL, instead of URI? |
| 23:18.50 | jelly-home | Blast_Hardcheese: yeah... no. nfs v3, tcp, is probably the best bet |
| 23:18.51 | poseidon | unop, I'm dualbooting windows/debian. so windows |
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| 23:18.59 | Nyle | universal resource locator or whatever it was called |
| 23:19.02 | Blast_Hardcheese | jelly-home: hmm. |
| 23:19.17 | Nyle | (me recalls from his days in 8th grade when we learned about URLs) |
| 23:19.23 | Nyle | !uri |
| 23:19.23 | dpkg | from memory, uri is a generic URL, eg anything://something. Uniform Resource Indicator |
| 23:19.32 | Nyle | yeh, ohhhhh indicator |
| 23:19.39 | Nyle | I didn't know they renamed it |
| 23:19.40 | poseidon | I need to install a driver on debian, however I can't download it on debian becuase I don't have an internet connection, becuase I don't have the driver to get the internet connection that I need to download the driver that I need to get the internet connection to download it :D |
| 23:19.57 | Nyle | !url |
| 23:19.57 | dpkg | it has been said that url is the Uniform Resource Locator, also mistakenly called Universal Resource Locator. This is used to give Web addresses for HTML, VRML, WAV and other files. It simply contains the Internet name of the machine containing the data and the path to the file. Much like the UNC, except specifically for the Internet. The address also includes the protocol to be used. or the name of the original infobot on EFnet, or pronounced "earl" ... |
| 23:20.19 | jelly-home | poseidon: apt-zip? |
| 23:20.30 | Nyle | ohhh, I am now clean on the distinction |
| 23:20.39 | unop | poseidon, hmm, you'll need something like wget for windows .. |
| 23:20.40 | Nyle | I feel like such a noob |
| 23:21.04 | Nyle | s/clean/clear* |
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| 23:22.22 | jelly-home | falls asleep |
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| 23:24.06 | milia | brb |
| 23:24.33 | poseidon | unop, I just installed wget, now what do I do to get a package? |
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| 23:24.50 | n3kl | Can anyone throw an oppinion at me about the kde4 packages in debian? |
| 23:25.12 | unop | poseidon, apt-get install packagename --print-uris > /tmp/tlist; awk /http/' { print $1 }' < /temp/tlist > wget_list # then take wget_list over to the windows machine, put it through wget so it downloads the packages, then copy the packages over and install them manually |
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| 23:27.17 | Nyle | !kde |
| 23:27.17 | dpkg | well, kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
| 23:27.20 | Nyle | !kde4 |
| 23:27.21 | dpkg | i heard kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html or see also http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. |
| 23:27.21 | Nyle | goddamit |
| 23:27.35 | Nyle | so what this means |
| 23:27.47 | azeem | ? |
| 23:27.48 | Nyle | is that for debian stable, you need to wait 3+ years to get kde4 |
| 23:27.50 | Nyle | maybe |
| 23:27.58 | Nyle | 2 |
| 23:28.05 | Nyle | but probably 3 |
| 23:28.09 | azeem | did you overread the "probably"? |
| 23:28.13 | unop | poseidon, on windows, this might be the syntax you need to use (i'm not totally sure about it). for /f %g in ('type wget_list') do (wget %g) |
| 23:28.40 | azeem | Nyle: in any case, the current plan is to "probably to likely" ship 4.1, should it itself ship on time and be reasonably stable |
| 23:28.43 | Kurt2x | this is stupid, but how do you convert an ascii file to a bininary file? |
| 23:28.46 | azeem | AFAIK, anyway |
| 23:28.52 | Nyle | azeem, c'mon... you know it aint going out before lenny |
| 23:28.54 | Kurt2x | binary file |
| 23:28.55 | n3kl | I wish linux had faster development cycles |
| 23:29.17 | Kurt2x | which aspect of linux? |
| 23:29.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | Me too |
| 23:29.26 | Nyle | azeem, in my best guess, based on what I've seen, I'd say lenny will go out before kde4 is stable enough for debian stable |
| 23:29.58 | n3kl | Kurt2x: most. Kernel, desktop software, libs. |
| 23:29.58 | unop | Kurt2x, well, if you remove all newlines from the text file - it becomes a binary file :) |
| 23:30.11 | n3kl | debian is one of the slower release cycles also |
| 23:30.13 | AssociateX | Any former Gentoo users here? I'm switching from Gentoo to "I don't know yet", ubuntu (probably not what I want) lead me here. Anyway, from Gentoo to Deb, what do you like? What else do I need to know? Thank you. |
| 23:30.20 | n3kl | both good and bad |
| 23:30.57 | azeem | Nyle: I'm not closely following the KDE release process, no |
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| 23:31.16 | AssociateX | I just google what I asked, lol |
| 23:31.20 | Nyle | azeem, I am a kde user so I keep up with its production etc. |
| 23:31.25 | n3kl | AssociateX: debian is better, more stable, fewer packages, more ports, better package management... |
| 23:31.50 | Nyle | azeem, I think maybe you thought I was making fun of debian by saying it takes too long to go stable blah blah.. far from it |
| 23:31.53 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 23:31.59 | poseidon | unup, that would probably work, the only thing being that I think that it gets a large list of it's packages from one of the first updates, however I havn't been able to make that update yet |
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| 23:32.40 | gloin_ | holy hell there are a lot of people in here |
| 23:32.41 | AssociateX | n3kl: what I like about Gentoo is that I can come home every day and run "eix-sync && emerge -uavD world" and see what needs updates, is there something like that with Debian? |
| 23:32.55 | Nyle | gloin_, /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 23:33.11 | Nyle | I'm assuming you are new here :) |
| 23:33.22 | unop | poseidon, it really shouldn't matter - you can always complete the update once you have a working connection in debian .. if you want, you can download the packages needed for the update in the same way but it's not necessary |
| 23:33.27 | gloin | Nyle: not in the least. Just impressed by the number of people in here today. |
| 23:33.42 | Nyle | gloin, if you have not, read the guidelines anyway :) |
| 23:33.48 | gloin | just did, Nyle |
| 23:33.49 | gloin | anyhow |
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| 23:34.07 | unop | AssociateX, yes. something like. aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
| 23:34.11 | Nyle | gloin, so what are you playing with today? |
| 23:34.12 | Kurt2x | is there a command to make a file binary? |
| 23:34.19 | Kurt2x | chmod ??? |
| 23:34.20 | Nyle | Kurt2x, what do you mean? |
| 23:34.22 | n3kl | AssociateX: dpkg is the best package management software for linux, anywhere. Gentoo ports were just ripped off of bsd and they don't do it as well. Also, it is good to know that for desktop softwre, debian is often a few version behind the lates |
| 23:34.41 | Kurt2x | well this module says "be sure that this config file is binary" |
| 23:34.50 | Nyle | Kurt2x, which module? |
| 23:34.58 | Nyle | !wayttd Kurt2x |
| 23:34.59 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Kurt2x? |
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| 23:35.15 | Kurt2x | the rt2860sta drivers for the ralink rt2860 wireless chipset |
| 23:35.26 | Doug52392 | Hi |
| 23:35.46 | unop | Kurt2x, perl -i~ -pe 's/\n|\r//g' /path/to/filename # perhaps |
| 23:36.03 | Kurt2x | trying to make them work, /etc/Wireless/RT2860STA/RT2860STA.dat |
| 23:36.17 | n3kl | AssociateX: Install it, run it, see if you like it. I have yet to find the *perfect* linux, but debian is as close as it comes imho. |
| 23:36.32 | unop | Kurt2x, if you have the dos2unix command, you could use that to the same effect |
| 23:36.34 | Doug52392 | What are some decent C++ programming enviroments for Debian? |
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| 23:36.51 | n3kl | Doug52392: vi |
| 23:36.53 | Mantaar | Doug52392: vim |
| 23:36.55 | Nyle | n3kl, I was addicted to this distro about 7 years ago |
| 23:36.59 | gloin | Quick question: I've got an IBM box, netdev is using the bnx2 driver. It _looks_ like networking is now being run through dbus, which is causing some confusion on my part as I try to make sure the netdev is actually active before firing off ISCSI initiator. I'm really a lot more familiar with the older style of networking (and can put "until" in the networking daemon to block the old way more easily). What I'm wondering is whether it'd be possible to do a |
| 23:37.11 | n3kl | Nyle: and? |
| 23:37.16 | Nyle | n3kl, and thats pretty much it... I'm still hopelessly addicted. |
| 23:37.24 | Doug52392 | I don't like programming in vi, I'd perfer an IDE |
| 23:37.32 | unop | Doug52392, anjuta perhaps |
| 23:37.56 | Mantaar | Doug52392: use ctags then. |
| 23:37.57 | n3kl | Nyle: I agree and am pretty much in a courtship with debian as well, but it has is moments of weakness. |
| 23:38.00 | gloin | Right now, networking backgrounds, and I can't have it doing that. |
| 23:38.08 | n3kl | Nyle: in my oppinion. |
| 23:38.50 | AssociateX | unop: n3kl: Thanks guys, and really I should just install it and run it for a while. Thank for the final nudge |
| 23:39.19 | unop | AssociateX, you could try out a live CD if you wanted. |
| 23:39.35 | gloin | Nyle: so that's what I'm playing with at the moment. |
| 23:39.46 | Nyle | hang on] |
| 23:39.47 | Nyle | phone |
| 23:41.34 | unop | Doug52392, also have a look at geany |
| 23:42.00 | AssociateX | unop: eh, that wouldn't do justice to debian, livecds are slow and unupdatable. I'm on an original 1.4 Gentoo install from about 2002 0r 2003, I just want to make one move to my next distro, you know what I mean |
| 23:42.41 | AssociateX | unop: although I did install from a deb based knoppix cd |
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| 23:42.44 | AssociateX | hehe |
| 23:42.51 | unop | AssociateX, sure, but if you are "shopping around" it makes sense to perhaps try a live CD out before doing the final leap of faith, get what i mean? :) |
| 23:42.52 | n3kl | What are some firmware replacements for wireless routers? |
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| 23:43.32 | Nyle | back |
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| 23:43.46 | Nyle | n3kl, I concur |
| 23:43.55 | poseidon | unop, I was looking at my driver, and it looks like I'm going to have to compile from source. I don't have gcc installed yet, so is there anywhay I could get someone else to compile it and send it to me, or would that not work? |
| 23:43.57 | AssociateX | unop: I'm just going to install debian and have my refcard handy http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/refcard-en-lt.pdf. |
| 23:44.13 | AssociateX | thanks 100% though |
| 23:44.15 | Nyle | gloin, I see. well good luck with that, I don't know enough about linux to even have a comment |
| 23:44.18 | Nyle | hehe |
| 23:44.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | So, is "testing-proposed-updates/main" almost stable? Good enough for a server? |
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| 23:44.38 | Nyle | not for a server |
| 23:44.44 | gloin | sigh |
| 23:44.56 | craigevil | n3kl: tomato :) |
| 23:45.08 | n3kl | craigevil: you used it? |
| 23:45.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | Dammit, I need 2.6.22 or better or my 1394 card won't work correctly. |
| 23:45.22 | Nyle | Blast_Hardcheese, why not use .22 from backports.org |
| 23:45.24 | Nyle | ? |
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| 23:45.33 | craigevil | nope im too big a chicken to flash my router, but i know several people that do |
| 23:45.45 | alrs | why not use etch-proposed-updates? |
| 23:45.47 | Nyle | I flashed all my router |
| 23:45.49 | alrs | 2.6.24 is in there |
| 23:45.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | Nyle: I thought I was |
| 23:45.55 | n3kl | I have a couple wireless routers, one dlink and one actiontec, they both suck. I would like to throw linux at them and setup the routing manually. |
| 23:45.59 | n3kl | craigevil: they like it? |
| 23:46.01 | Nyle | 3 ddwrt v24 sp2 |
| 23:46.04 | Nyle | 2 full, 1 micro |
| 23:46.14 | Nyle | 1 v2, 2 v6 |
| 23:46.15 | unop | AssociateX, hmm, it's probably best you compile that on your machine -- you'd need the kernel-headers for the kernel you are about to use |
| 23:46.27 | Nyle | the v6 routers were hard to flash, I even bricked one of them a few times over and over |
| 23:46.32 | craigevil | n3kl: yes very simple to configure but capable of doing a lot |
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| 23:46.46 | Nyle | but thanks to my trusty toolkit of almost all the tools one could need to do stuff |
| 23:46.53 | Nyle | jtab patch |
| 23:46.58 | Nyle | tag* |
| 23:47.01 | n3kl | Nyle: which would you recomend, and are those routers or firmwares? |
| 23:47.03 | AssociateX | unop: compile what? |
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| 23:47.19 | Nyle | n3kl, no need anymore unless you're broke. you can get the wrt GL routers |
| 23:47.25 | Nyle | n3kl, they run linux by default |
| 23:47.26 | unop | AssociateX, ohh, ouch, my bad - that was meant for poseidon sorry :) |
| 23:47.32 | AssociateX | haha, np |
| 23:47.33 | Nyle | n3kl, good os |
| 23:47.39 | n3kl | Nyle: link me please |
| 23:47.49 | Nyle | n3kl, imo DDWRT is THE BEST linksys wrt firmware out there |
| 23:47.55 | Nyle | the most featureful and stable |
| 23:48.05 | n3kl | I hate my dlink, its always going down, and what should be simple, using it as an access point to my internal network, is freaking slow |
| 23:48.09 | Nyle | n3kl, google or best buy or amazon or newegg |
| 23:48.17 | Nyle | look for the wrt54GL router |
| 23:48.20 | unop | poseidon, sorry, as i was saying, it's best you compile the driver yourself - i saw you asking around in ##linux too |
| 23:48.37 | WaffleMatt | I personally like the asus wl500gP more than the wrt54gl |
| 23:48.45 | poseidon | unop, How do you suggest I do that? |
| 23:48.46 | WaffleMatt | though it tends to run for a few more dollars |
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| 23:49.02 | Nyle | n3kl, if you are going to buy a router, look for a WRT54G v2 on ebay |
| 23:49.13 | n3kl | wrt gl, right, linksys. you had abbrv ovrld fr a mnt |
| 23:49.22 | Nyle | find specifically a v2, look at the serial #, first 4 numbers in the serial # indicated which version, google it up |
| 23:49.31 | Nyle | that router + ddwrt v24 sp2 is excellent |
| 23:49.32 | unop | poseidon, well, get the build-essential and linux-headers-$(uname -r) packages .. the rt73 source and follow the instructions in it's README |
| 23:49.54 | Nyle | n3kl, if you can afford a more expensive but BETTER in almost all aspects GL router |
| 23:49.56 | Nyle | get that one instead |
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| 23:50.42 | Nyle | n3kl, oh sorry |
| 23:50.44 | n3kl | Nyle: cool, thanks for the tips |
| 23:50.49 | n3kl | meh |
| 23:50.50 | AssociateX | while getting the Debian install CD does it matter which proc I use? Athlon-xp here. |
| 23:50.55 | Nyle | n3kl, I am lazy hehe so i type short |
| 23:51.01 | Nyle | but i type a lot, if you can tell |
| 23:51.08 | poseidon | unop, I have follwed the instructions, but I get a bunch of errors when trying to build the file. Does debian come with gcc? |
| 23:51.09 | unop | poseidon, i use the rt73 drivers too -- and the thing is, you need to compile it for the specific kernel you use atm. getting someone else to compile it for you might not be a good idea, they probably are nor running the same kernel version and worse, are using another distro |
| 23:51.10 | ryushe | greetings, I've set up a basic webserver, which is running apache/php. Mail sent from php doesn't seem to go anywhere, and I understand I need an MTA installed. What would be better, if all it has to do is SEND mail? postfix or exim? |
| 23:51.15 | n3kl | Nyle: I was hoping I was going to be able to flash my dlink, but it doesn't look positive for ddwrt. |
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| 23:51.29 | Nyle | n3kl, well |
| 23:51.47 | Nyle | n3kl, the reason behind wrt is that they used the linux kernel in the original router firmware |
| 23:52.01 | Nyle | n3kl, well, its gpl, so legally they had to release the source code for the router's firmware |
| 23:52.08 | Nyle | n3kl, people just looked at it, made it better. |
| 23:52.18 | n3kl | Nyle: ah, nice |
| 23:52.34 | Nyle | n3kl, now for other routers like dlink, they didn't use linux, we don't know how they run internally, so we can't make firmwares for em |
| 23:52.39 | n3kl | my actiontec runs busybox, so it may work on that one. |
| 23:52.40 | Nyle | easily enough tht is |
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| 23:52.51 | unop | poseidon, gcc does come out of the box, but you still need to install the build-essential package to get gcc to work . - that might be available on the debian CD tho, not sure |
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| 23:53.37 | Nyle | n3kl, you cann use ddwrt and turn this pos home route rinto a full fledged router, the professional kind |
| 23:53.57 | Nyle | n3kl, with some hardware hacking you can add additional flash etc. for storage, a serial connection for displays etc. |
| 23:54.01 | n3kl | Nyle: with cli? |
| 23:54.04 | Nyle | many things can be done with wrt |
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| 23:54.25 | Nyle | n3kl, yes, it supports its entire configuration in the NVRAM area |
| 23:54.32 | Nyle | just telnet in and change the settings |
| 23:54.38 | n3kl | Nyle: you a hardware hacker? I wish I knew more about where to soldier shizzle to shizzle |
| 23:54.40 | Nyle | but it is much easier to do it through the web interface |
| 23:54.51 | Nyle | n3kl, hardware is my thing mainly, I just hobby linux |
| 23:54.56 | Nyle | we're stealing the #debian |
| 23:55.01 | Nyle | ##hardware if you please |
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| 23:55.41 | lobak | hello..im using debian etch 4.0r1 ..recently i heard that debian etch has now 4.0 ..do i need to update or upgrade to 4.0 ?or is it possible to upgrade 4.0r1 to 4.0 ? |
| 23:55.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | What is -bigmem on a kernel? How big is big? |
| 23:55.51 | Nyle | Blast_Hardcheese, 64GB |
| 23:56.01 | AssociateX | why is there no README in the ftp iso dirs |
| 23:56.02 | Nyle | its pae memory extentions |
| 23:56.07 | Mantaar | Blast_Hardcheese: you will only need it if you go above 3 GB of RAM. |
| 23:56.08 | n3kl | runs to class |
| 23:56.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | I see |
| 23:56.12 | Nyle | allowes you to use upto 64gb of ram on 32bit addressing |
| 23:56.13 | nevyn | Blast_Hardcheese: it's generally a bad idea |
| 23:56.20 | Blast_Hardcheese | ah |
| 23:56.22 | nevyn | much better to use 64bit mode at that point |
| 23:56.27 | nevyn | nowadays |
| 23:56.41 | Blast_Hardcheese | I only have two, so I'm good. |
| 23:56.44 | nevyn | pae has a bunch of limitations |
| 23:56.56 | nevyn | the most critical being only 4gb per process |
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| 23:57.32 | Nyle | nevyn, unfortunaly, a lot of people have server motherboards from a while ago, with upto 16-32gb ram, but a 32bit cpu |
| 23:57.36 | Nyle | morons |
| 23:57.53 | Nyle | not everyone can afford those dam 'intelerons' |
| 23:58.40 | Nyle | why build a server that can't do 64bit and you know you're gonna use more than 4gb |
| 23:58.44 | Nyle | morons |
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