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| 00:00.58 | azeem | rgsteele||work: temporarily remove it from /etc/nsswitch.conf then maybe |
| 00:01.20 | enouf | azeem: rgsteele||work did cite that exact error ..but ugh, it was 1.5 hours ago |
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| 00:28.04 | legis | Hi, I replaced a distro with debian but leaved the home dir intacted, when creating the same user on the new debian system and I cd the user dirs( which was already created) it didn't create the .bash* files etc.. |
| 00:28.09 | legis | any ideas? |
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| 00:28.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | legis, what was the last distro? |
| 00:28.45 | nvz | I've got an ethernet card on eth0, and a USB wifi on eth1, the eth1 is connected to an AP that is getting me online, can I just bridge the two interfaces and hook a router to eth0 and share the internet or is it more complicated than that? |
| 00:29.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | its more complicated |
| 00:29.11 | Mantaar | !nat |
| 00:29.11 | dpkg | Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages. |
| 00:29.20 | legis | Kamping_Kaiser: arch |
| 00:29.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | legis, dont know about that. i'm wondering if the files are chown'd to someone other then 1000 |
| 00:30.19 | nvz | actually screw it I don't really need internet on the laptop anyhow I just need to transfer data basically I'll just give them both an IP on the same subnet and use samba |
| 00:30.45 | Mantaar | nvz: use nfs instead. Better performance and you'll keep the permissions. |
| 00:30.46 | legis | Kamping_Kaiser: I did get a warning when adding the user, it said the '/home/dir doesn't belong to this user' |
| 00:30.58 | nvz | Mantaar: not an issue at all |
| 00:31.04 | nvz | Mantaar: the laptop is vista |
| 00:31.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | legis, sounds like you need to chown it to your new user as root |
| 00:31.32 | Mantaar | nvz: Uhm. Yes. Vista. Right. Ok, use SMB. But I recommend intsalling Debian on the laptop ;-) |
| 00:31.48 | unop | legis, it might be better to change the UID of the user you just created |
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| 00:32.14 | nvz | Mantaar: the laptop doesnt belong to me or vista would never even have gotten a first boot. I put a debian cd in as soon as I get them out of the box. |
| 00:32.29 | nvz | Mantaar: which is why I need to transfer files off it, cause its not mine and I'm giving it back |
| 00:33.19 | nvz | Mantaar: I was using it to get me online, but I went out and bought a Hawking USB Wireless-G Dish adapter which is actually an atheros 5007UG and works great in etch with no 3rd party crap.. debian kernel, debian packages |
| 00:33.28 | Mantaar | today I needed to upload a file to a wiki and then download it on my computer because a vanilla windows is not capable of file transfer without too much hassle... still have to set workgroup and reboot... |
| 00:34.30 | Mantaar | nvz: I'd use a liveCD instead of Vista. sysresccd works great, based on Gentoo. Or use Knoppix. If it runs Vista, it'll run Knoppix just fine off a tape drive. |
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| 00:34.41 | legis | Kamping_Kaiser: I'll try that |
| 00:34.50 | legis | unop: change it to what? |
| 00:35.30 | unop | legis, to the UID owning /home/otheruser -- see ls -l /home/otheruser |
| 00:35.37 | nvz | Mantaar: na, live cds are too much trouble.. takes too long to boot and doesn't really manage all the hardware the same cause you'd have to format the hd to something you can write to and save settings for power management and whatnot |
| 00:35.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | -d |
| 00:36.03 | nvz | Mantaar: I have a computer, this one isn't mine.. I don't care wtf is on it |
| 00:36.09 | Mantaar | nvz: well, whatever suits your needs :-) |
| 00:36.45 | nvz | I just had it here like I said cause I didn't have any wifi on my debian desktop and I was using it to get online.. ICS is easy to setup in windows |
| 00:37.06 | nvz | now I know where to get a good easy to setup wifi card for debian |
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| 00:37.44 | Mantaar | nvz: how much did it cost? I'm considering doing that myself iff the card's not too posh. |
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| 00:38.16 | AssociateX | Hello everybody |
| 00:38.42 | Mantaar | !hi |
| 00:38.42 | dpkg | hello, mantaar |
| 00:39.04 | nvz | bestbuy sells a Hawking Hi-Gain USB Wireless-G Dish adapter for about $70 and it will plug right into any debian system with USB running standard etch kernel. Just install wireless-tools and zd1211-firmware and load the zd1211rw module and you're good to go. It has like 300% more signal than most regular cheap antennas on your average pci/pcmcia type cards |
| 00:39.19 | nvz | its totally PnP and supported by etch out of the box |
| 00:39.33 | abrotman | if you have functional internet to start with |
| 00:39.46 | nvz | not to mention its atheros and has a softmac so I'd bet it would be great for wifi hacking |
| 00:40.01 | nvz | not that I've tried that O:-) |
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| 00:40.17 | Mantaar | ... hm. That'd be some some 40⬠still. Don't know if it's worth it. Ethernet cable cost me 10â¬... |
| 00:41.43 | Mantaar | still thanks for the tip. I might consider it... |
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| 00:43.05 | nvz | bah the damn dish was pointed in the wrong direction |
| 00:43.22 | nvz | I guess cause when I pulled on the keyboard cord I moved it |
| 00:43.26 | nvz | caused me to time out |
| 00:43.28 | Mantaar | Anyone able to recommend a blogging software available in Debian that's lean & fast (no wp) and has LaTeX support? |
| 00:43.44 | abrotman | apt-cache search blog latex |
| 00:44.06 | Mantaar | muse-el is not what I'm looking for ;-) |
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| 00:45.06 | AssociateX | man, this is fun |
| 00:45.27 | nvz | I had to convert all my blogs to MS Word format cause my girlfriend is allergic to LaTeX.. heh j/k |
| 00:45.59 | Mantaar | I'm allergic to women who are allergic to my nerdy habits. |
| 00:46.58 | nvz | likes girls who are smart but rather them be into things outside the computer realm he spends most his time in |
| 00:47.20 | Mantaar | fine. As long as they're not allergic ;-) |
| 00:47.24 | nvz | heh |
| 00:47.49 | nvz | I like girls who like to actually do something, sports is always a good thing |
| 00:48.08 | nvz | I played basketball with two teenage girls yesturday.. they whooped on me cause I have bronchitis right now |
| 00:48.22 | Mantaar | sad excuse for losing... :-P |
| 00:48.26 | nvz | heh |
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| 00:49.00 | abrotman | !ot |
| 00:49.00 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 00:49.16 | nvz | !moo |
| 00:49.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 00:50.44 | nvz | something I wonder is how to get this USB Wifi adapter "ready" when it loads so I can just make the connection to the internet automatic instead of having to do it manually |
| 00:51.23 | nvz | if I try iwlist or iwconfig after loading it it says no such device, until I run say dhclient eth1 then it says eth1: link not ready, and after it says that I can use iwconfig |
| 00:51.33 | nvz | that seems like a generic work around |
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| 00:51.37 | Mantaar | nvz: ifconfig eth1 up |
| 00:51.44 | nvz | there must be some signal I have to send it to get it awake |
| 00:51.47 | Mantaar | it's down by default. |
| 00:51.57 | nvz | oh really... |
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| 00:52.02 | nvz | imagine that |
| 00:52.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | nvz, probably make sure the module gets loaded on boot, and setup hte nic to come up by default |
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| 00:53.26 | nvz | Kamping_Kaiser: the module loads on boot, but any time you plug it in or load the module it says "zd1211rw 2-2:1.0: eth1" but there is no eth1 until I do a dhclient eth1 which is pointless cause it hasn't been configured yet to do a dhcp lease |
| 00:53.50 | abrotman | allow-hotplug ? |
| 00:53.50 | nvz | so I've been manually doing dhclient, iwconfig, dhclient to get online |
| 00:54.13 | Mantaar | nvz: As I've said, ifconfig eth1 up should get around it... AFAIK dhclient does just that. It does it with my card anyways, I have the same symptoms. |
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| 00:54.37 | nvz | I will say this though for being my first experience with wifi in debian and using USB no less, this is working ideally |
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| 00:55.16 | extor | So my dell cpx suddenly stopped booting from it's CDROM but I can still insert the floppy drive and boot from floppy. Is it internal CDROM that went bad? Or more likely is it the CDROM caddy holder thingy that fried? Or what? |
| 00:55.18 | extor | I wonder if I can boot it from USB if I have some sorta skinny linux kernel on a floppy? |
| 00:55.46 | nvz | Mantaar: ok, well I still need to read up on how to configure for wifi anyhow. right now my system is configured to auto/dhcp on the eth0 ethernet, I need it to connect to a certain AP and do auto/dhcp on the wifi eth1 but I need to read up on it first |
| 00:55.54 | WaffleMatt | extor, you could potentially install grub onto the floppy and use it to boot from USB. |
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| 00:56.48 | extor | but uhmm...dont I need to load a kernel that has USB support in order to boot from USB? |
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| 00:57.04 | peleg | after I create a bash script that works, how can I make it executable? (without using "bash bashscript.sh", only with using bashscript) |
| 00:57.55 | nvz | ugh after my experience today trying to cut up movie clips in windows movie maker I am feeling motivated to just write scripts to do it in linux with mencoder |
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| 00:58.50 | nvz | the damn WMM says its going to make these high-res type clips then I watch them and they are all small and in some goofy assed ratio and the video frames are choppy..ugh |
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| 00:59.38 | Wyzard | extor: The USB drivers are in the initrd |
| 00:59.49 | Wyzard | extor: so they're available to the kernel at boot time |
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| 01:01.20 | Wyzard | nvz: VirtualDub is a good free (Windows) program for things like that |
| 01:01.48 | Wyzard | nvz: If you're splitting on keyframes, it can even cut without recompressing |
| 01:02.01 | Wyzard | nvz: (use "direct stream copy" mode) |
| 01:02.02 | nvz | Wyzard: ah, cool.. though I really don't want to get dependant on this laptop cause since I got wifi on the debian box now I am about ready to get rid of it |
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| 01:02.25 | Seb | what is the base latex package that has /usr/bin/latex ? |
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| 01:02.54 | Wyzard | Seb: texlive-latex-base |
| 01:02.59 | Mantaar | Seb: do you know about apt-file? |
| 01:03.09 | Mantaar | It can show you which package a file belongs to. |
| 01:03.14 | nvz | Wyzard: I was thinking I can make scripts to just drop frames with mplayer then re-encode them with mencoder and just have it all work off a config file I can put timestamps into or something as I watch the video. |
| 01:03.38 | Seb | Mantaar: ah i'll install that |
| 01:03.46 | Seb | Mantaar: thank you |
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| 01:03.51 | Seb | Wyzard: thx |
| 01:03.58 | Wyzard | nvz: That sounds pretty tedious... VirtualDub would be a lot easier |
| 01:04.15 | Wyzard | wishes there were a Linux port of VirtualDub, perhaps using GStreamer instead of DirectShow |
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| 01:05.18 | liable | isnt avidemux similar to virtualdub? |
| 01:05.36 | Wyzard | hmm, dunno... I've never used that |
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| 01:06.42 | Wyzard | hmm, looks like it might be similar |
| 01:07.28 | liable | its been a *long* time since i used virtualdub, but iirc its fairly close in functionality |
| 01:07.48 | Wyzard | but it doesn't use GStreamer, which means it does its own codec support and is probably limited to a fixed set of codecs |
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| 01:08.09 | Wyzard | no being able to add in useful things like avisynth (not that there's a Linux version of that either) |
| 01:08.18 | mib_uo1hq6 | hey....hi guys |
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| 01:09.37 | nvz | Wyzard: well basically I bought these two laptops for the borough on their credit some 6 mo ago, and I gave them one of them.. I've been getting way too attached to the other one using it for internet connectivity and such that I couldnt at the time do with my debian box.. now I found a great wifi solution that works out of the box with etch so I am trying to get all my crap off their laptop and get rid of it |
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| 01:13.34 | nvz | I just wanna tell the whole world to go out and get one of these damn wifi adapters cause of how easy it was to use and how good it works. I'd been putting off getting one cause I thought it was gonna be all headaches, recompiling crap, using 3rd party shit..etc |
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| 01:14.44 | Wyzard | nvz: Broadcom chipsets are a pain but there are others that work pretty well |
| 01:15.07 | Wyzard | nvz: My laptop's ipw2200 has a driver that's in the stock kernel; just needed to get the firmware from ipw2200.sourceforge.net |
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| 01:16.02 | nvz | Wyzard: this is an Zydas(Atheros 5007UG) store called it at Hawking Technologies Hi-Gain USB Wireless-G Dish Adapter |
| 01:16.25 | Wyzard | I've never used an Atheros, but I've heard they're well-supported too |
| 01:16.32 | nvz | Wyzard: works great just need the zd1211rw module in the etch kernel and the zd1211-firemware package which is in etch as well |
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| 01:17.13 | Wyzard | hopes that 802.11n hardware won't suffer from a lack of Linux drivers like 802.11a/b/g used to |
| 01:17.44 | nvz | Wyzard: and its USB so its easy to install on any machine, not to mention its a little satellite dish that rotates like 90deg in either direction and pivots like 45deg.. its slick as shit.. its at least 3x more powerful than the broadcom in this laptop |
| 01:18.16 | craigevil | $60 at newegg |
| 01:18.18 | abrotman | used to ? |
| 01:18.26 | nvz | craigevil: what is? |
| 01:18.35 | craigevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: It's now possible to find 802.11g hardware that works well in Linux |
| 01:18.52 | nvz | craigevil: ah, it ran me about $70 after taxes at bestbuy |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: but with OSS drivers? and no firmware? |
| 01:19.04 | nvz | I know I could have gotten a better deal if I wanted to order it an wait |
| 01:19.11 | Wyzard | abrotman: not without firmware, but I don't mind that |
| 01:19.13 | craigevil | nvz: about the same $60.00+7.89 shipping |
| 01:19.22 | nvz | but I wanted to get it from a store so I could easily take it back if it didnt work |
| 01:19.26 | abrotman | Wyzard: so they are still suffering ... |
| 01:19.42 | n3kl | Anyone know of cli bittorrent client that will monitor a folder for new torrent files and automatically start them? |
| 01:19.44 | nvz | funny thing is, it works with etch out of the box, and not with vista.. when the damn thing says its made for windows |
| 01:19.55 | nvz | you can use it with vista you just have to goto the website and get a new driver |
| 01:20.02 | craigevil | yeah the review on newegg says to use xp |
| 01:20.26 | Wyzard | abrotman: DFSG-freeness of firmware notwithstanding, the driver itself is open-source, and the firmware blob is free-of-charge, and it's easy to set up, and that's acceptable |
| 01:20.28 | nvz | craigevil: works with Mac, Win, Lin.. anything.. its a good adapter |
| 01:20.51 | nvz | craigevil: they have a Win and a Mac version.. the win is black and the Mac is white.. but afaik they are the same damn thing otherwise |
| 01:20.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: to some.. not to all .. i find it hard to believe that not a single company can make a fully OSS driver |
| 01:21.00 | Wyzard | abrotman: unacceptable would be having to use ndiswrapper, or having to jump through hoops like bcm43xx-fwcutter, or just not being able to get the hardware to work at all |
| 01:21.20 | abrotman | the fwcutter is no different than you going to a website and downloading |
| 01:21.41 | Wyzard | abrotman: You'd be surprised... FCC regulations can actually make it illegal for the vendor to provide complete programming details for the card (which open-source firmware would reveal) |
| 01:21.52 | nvz | remembers he hasn't taken his meds today |
| 01:21.55 | craigevil | FCC sux |
| 01:21.59 | abrotman | Wyzard: not every company is subject to the FCC |
| 01:22.18 | n3kl | What are some possible reasons that debian would fail to install grub durring the install? |
| 01:22.38 | Wyzard | abrotman: Every company in the US is, and companies in other countries are subject to their own corresponding regulatory bodies which often have similar rules |
| 01:22.40 | dondelelcaro | Wyzard: a lot of that is just company interpretation of the FCC; AFAIK the FCC hasn't made a serious ruling about it |
| 01:22.45 | liable | the wireless guys are implementing a regualtory thing, which will hopefully lead to less of this fcc bullshit |
| 01:22.45 | nvz | n3kl: nuclear explosion nearby could cause that.. |
| 01:22.51 | Wyzard | That may be true |
| 01:22.59 | Mantaar | n3kl: did you use GRUB2? |
| 01:23.00 | n3kl | looks for fallout |
| 01:23.00 | nvz | n3kl: its probably better to read the error message though.. :-P |
| 01:23.01 | abrotman | Wyzard: in the US .. last i checked the US != earth |
| 01:23.08 | Wyzard | abrotman: of course |
| 01:23.26 | abrotman | and seeing that many of these things are actually made outside the US .. |
| 01:23.28 | Wyzard | abrotman: so instead of "FCC" substitute "FCC and similar organizations in the various nations of the world"... you get my point |
| 01:23.31 | n3kl | I am using the install with etch, that I have used countless times. |
| 01:23.35 | n3kl | Yes grub2 |
| 01:23.47 | abrotman | i understand they have to comply to sell here, but they could provide the drivers for those not subject to the FCC |
| 01:23.50 | nvz | ugh.. this damn prednisone tastes like crap and makes it impossible for me to control my mood |
| 01:24.08 | Mantaar | n3kl: do not use GRUB2. It rapes bunnies and disposes of them in the CPU fan. |
| 01:24.28 | Wyzard | Mantaar: hmm, not good -- evidently I'm a bunny-rapist :-/ |
| 01:24.58 | Wyzard | The only shortcoming I've noticed in grub2 so far is its lack of the "map" command, though |
| 01:25.14 | n3kl | abrotman: don't you live in the us? |
| 01:25.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:25.21 | Mantaar | Wyzard: then you're on lucky man. I never managed to get them bunnies raped properly. Would always fail during install. |
| 01:25.34 | Mantaar | n3kl: I suggest you try Grub. |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | grub2 worked fine for me |
| 01:25.51 | n3kl | right, I am trying to figure out if this is a hardware thing |
| 01:26.05 | n3kl | I *am* installing it on an md raid, but it should still work fine |
| 01:26.11 | n3kl | I have done it several times before |
| 01:26.30 | venger | i had to dump grub2 because I couldn't figure out how to implement the equivalent of the 'map' command for my windows entry (map needed since it is a partition on another hd where grub wasn't installed). other than that grub2 worked. |
| 01:27.09 | Wyzard | venger: yeah, map isn't implemented yet |
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| 01:27.36 | Wyzard | Presumably it will be eventually |
| 01:27.38 | venger | i seen a devel post giving some hint that it'll be around sooner or later |
| 01:28.03 | Wyzard | Fortunately, I don't need it anymore (I use a separate computer for Windows these days) |
| 01:28.07 | Mantaar | Let's hope they're not waiting for HURD to ship it with. |
| 01:28.36 | Mantaar | But grub2 has only given me headaches so far... |
| 01:28.55 | Wyzard | It seemed pretty straightforward to me |
| 01:29.05 | venger | Wyzard, that splash image was purrty |
| 01:29.16 | abrotman | image? |
| 01:29.29 | Wyzard | just take the kernel options from the old menu.lst (like vga= and such) and put them in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub, and the rest "just works" |
| 01:29.54 | Wyzard | abrotman: the grub2 splash image, presumably |
| 01:30.19 | Wyzard | still thinks it's crazy that a bootloader contains JPEG and PNG decoders |
| 01:30.24 | abrotman | i can change that? |
| 01:30.35 | venger | you get into vga mode on boot abrotman? |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | no idea :) |
| 01:31.04 | Mantaar | my kernels look best white-on-black |
| 01:31.07 | amphi | Wyzard: I agree - ludicrous |
| 01:31.32 | Wyzard | abrotman: If you have the grub-splashimages package installed, update-grub automatically puts a background_image of /grub/debian-blueish-wallpaper-640x480.png in your grub.cfg |
| 01:31.50 | abrotman | i think i do |
| 01:31.53 | Wyzard | Mantaar: It's only the grub menu, not the kernel's boot messages |
| 01:32.35 | Mantaar | Wyzard: that's what I was talking about. The boot menu, where I can see my kernel zoo. |
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| 01:34.27 | venger | I don't recall having to do more that install grub2-pc or the grub2 dummy package and it came with debianize image, blue, and quite nice |
| 01:34.41 | venger | c/grub2-pc/grub-pc |
| 01:34.54 | lastnode | how can I get dbus to start under ratpoison? deluge needs it. |
| 01:35.09 | AssociateX | for the life of me I cant get my konsole prompt to keep it's color export PS1="\[\e[31;2m\]\u@\[\e[31;2m\]\H # \[\e[0m\]" |
| 01:35.27 | Mantaar | lastnode: /etc/init.d/dubs start? |
| 01:35.30 | n3kl | Wyzard: what do I need to install to change the bootsplash? Not the slashimage= line in the grub? |
| 01:36.03 | Mantaar | n3kl: you mean, like fancy Gentoo/Ubuntu goodness? |
| 01:36.08 | AssociateX | HA!!! spoke to soon |
| 01:37.03 | Wyzard | n3kl: see /etc/grub.d/05_debian_theme |
| 01:37.10 | n3kl | Mantaar: I was thinking livecd typish |
| 01:37.30 | Wyzard | n3kl: You'd have to either edit that or override it somehow, to use a different splash image than the one it hard-codes |
| 01:37.46 | Wyzard | n3kl: (Presumably it'll become more readily configurable in the future, when the packaging is more mature) |
| 01:37.57 | lastnode | Mantaar: says alrady started. |
| 01:38.19 | lastnode | Mantaar: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464711#20 is my problem (different from the origianl bug report) |
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| 01:38.46 | n3kl | Wyzard: that does not exist on my system. Comes with a package I assume? |
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| 01:40.02 | Baloo | Wow, near riot situation at the Safeway... they're rationing rice, bread and cereal. |
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| 01:40.19 | Wyzard | n3kl: It's in the grub-pc package, which is the main package for grub2 |
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| 01:40.33 | Wyzard | n3kl: The image is /usr/share/images/desktop-base/debian-blueish-wallpaper-640x480.png from the desktop-base package |
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| 01:40.59 | Wyzard | n3kl: Evidently I was completely wrong when I mentioned grub-splashimages earlier... I don't even have that installed, and I think it's for grub 1.x |
| 01:41.10 | DavidProck1981 | im back |
| 01:41.15 | firebird619 | Could someone help me? I made a mistake. I accidently ran rm -rf on /usr/lib/xorg/modules instead of just the one file I wanted to remove and now Xorg crashes with Failed to load module pcidata. How can I get those files back? |
| 01:41.24 | Wyzard | n3kl: I'm running sid btw |
| 01:41.46 | DavidProck1981 | will soon be on debian, but i need to check the hardware support for this laptop |
| 01:41.52 | n3kl | Wyzard: meh, I will drop all my curiosity. I will take stability over anything. Thanks. |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | !find xorg/modules/pcidata |
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| 01:42.02 | abrotman | !find xorg/modules/pcidata etch |
| 01:42.09 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xorg/modules/pcidata' returned no results. |
| 01:42.16 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xorg/modules/pcidata' returned no results. |
| 01:42.56 | DavidProck1981 | and one know if debian will have problems installing on a IBM ThinkPad T42p 2373-C96 |
| 01:42.57 | Wyzard | n3kl: That's not to say you can only do it with sid; only that I don't have experience doing it in anything other than sid |
| 01:42.58 | abrotman | !find xorg/modules/libpcidata.so etch |
| 01:43.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'xorg/modules/libpcidata.so' (1): (/usr/lib/xorg/modules/libpcidata.so) in x11/xserver-xorg-core. |
| 01:43.04 | DavidProck1981 | anyone* |
| 01:43.45 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 01:43.45 | dpkg | it has been said that laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
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| 01:44.03 | abrotman | firebird619: aptitude reinstall xserver-xorg-core |
| 01:44.18 | firebird619 | abrotman: Ok, I'll give that a try. Thank You. |
| 01:44.18 | abrotman | firebird619: and repeat for every package with deleted contents |
| 01:44.28 | n3kl | i had to install frickin lilo. I hate lilo |
| 01:44.45 | firebird619 | abrotman: Ok. Thanks |
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| 01:46.57 | Wyzard | n3kl: What's wrong with grub 1.x? |
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| 01:49.10 | n3kl | Wyzard: it won't install on this mpc server with an md raid |
| 01:49.30 | Wyzard | Just make a separate (non-RAID) partition for /boot |
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| 01:49.45 | Wyzard | 50-100MB is plenty |
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| 01:49.56 | n3kl | Why is busybox installed on etch base by default? |
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| 01:50.18 | n3kl | Wyzard: its wierd cause I have done this same procedure before. |
| 01:50.37 | abrotman | !info busybox etch |
| 01:50.39 | dpkg | busybox: (Tiny utilities for small and embedded systems), section utils, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.3-4 (etch), Packaged size: 279 kB, Installed size: 508 kB |
| 01:50.44 | Wyzard | n3kl: If you've ever had /boot on md-raid using grub, it must've been raid-1 |
| 01:51.02 | abrotman | n3kl: i don't think "utils" is 'default' |
| 01:51.08 | n3kl | Wyzard: yes, raid1 |
| 01:51.20 | Wyzard | n3kl: since that doesn't do striping or anything, grub can still recognize and mount the filesystem even though it doesn't know anything about raid |
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| 01:51.50 | Wyzard | n3kl: If there's striping involved (e.g. raid-0 or raid-5) grub can't follow the stripes to see the contents of the array; it only sees the partitions |
| 01:51.55 | n3kl | abrotman: is that what package its in? I choose base install, no extra packages selections on install everytime and I always have busybox. Not that its a problem, I just don't understand why |
| 01:52.11 | Wyzard | N3bunel: but grub only needs to see /boot, so just put /boot on a separate plain partition and everything works fine |
| 01:52.18 | n3kl | Wyzard: if you install grub to the mbr on each individual disk on a raid 5, it seems to work fine. |
| 01:52.35 | Wyzard | n3kl: no, it has nothing to do with which MBR it's in |
| 01:52.42 | n3kl | Wyzard: I guess you could do it to the primary only, but then if that is the disk that fails, your system won't boot |
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| 01:53.10 | Wyzard | n3kl: I'm talking about after grub has been loaded into RAM (from the MBR, by the BIOS), and now it's looking for a filesystem on the disk |
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| 01:53.32 | n3kl | Wyzard: um, maybe I am remembeing wrong, cause you're right, grub will not be able to mount the partition |
| 01:53.40 | DavidProck1981 | what is the airo module, and does debian have it durring the net install |
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| 01:53.59 | n3kl | Wyzard: I must have set a seperate /boot on each disk |
| 01:54.01 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: As a complete guess, that sounds like it might be a driver for a Cisco Aironet wireless card |
| 01:54.10 | DavidProck1981 | ya |
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| 01:54.19 | Wyzard | n3kl: Having a raid-1 of identical /boot partitions on each disk isn't a bad idea |
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| 01:54.54 | Wyzard | n3kl: though I don't bother with that (there's nothing in /boot that isn't easy to recover, so it's not worth the trouble) |
| 01:55.19 | DavidProck1981 | do u know if the net installer will support what i have |
| 01:55.29 | n3kl | Wyzard: I would still like to be able to pull either disk at any time without concern of what is where on a raid1 installation. |
| 01:55.36 | DavidProck1981 | Wyzard? |
| 01:56.05 | Wyzard | n3kl: For that, you'll need to install grub in each disk's MBR too |
| 01:56.07 | DavidProck1981 | for my wireless |
| 01:56.32 | Wyzard | n3kl: I'm not really concerned with being able to yank out sda and have the system still boot with no additional work needed; I just care that if a disk dies, I don't lose my files |
| 01:56.43 | Wyzard | DavidProck1981: no idea; I've never used an Aironet |
| 01:56.46 | n3kl | Wyzard: thats true |
| 01:57.03 | xoz | DavidProck1981: why not use livecd first to check... or use netinst to check. |
| 01:57.09 | amphi | DavidProck1981: you can't use ethernet for the netinstall? |
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| 01:57.25 | Wyzard | n3kl: If it were a mission-critical server rather than my home PC, I might think differently, but in that case I'd be more inclined to use hardware RAID (which doesn't have such issues anyway) |
| 01:57.45 | DavidProck1981 | got to go, later |
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| 01:58.56 | n3kl | Wyzard: these servers are too old for hardware raid, its got this bios raid crap that linux detects as seperate disks |
| 01:59.45 | venger | i've heard it called fakeraid, ICH5R + and others |
| 02:00.41 | Wyzard | n3kl: That's surprising -- I believe most fakeraid controllers are supported now |
| 02:00.54 | n3kl | Wyzard: how do I tell debian to use them? |
| 02:01.11 | n3kl | Wyzard: cause I have a couple fakeraid at home too that could be put to better use |
| 02:01.11 | Wyzard | n3kl: Set up an array in the BIOS and the it ought to be recognized automatically, afaik |
| 02:01.30 | n3kl | Wyzard: then I am dealing with wack hardware |
| 02:01.32 | n3kl | meh |
| 02:01.34 | Wyzard | (assuming the fakeraid driver is loaded, but I'm pretty sure it gets loaded automatically if any fakeraid signatures are detected) |
| 02:01.44 | Wyzard | I can't speak from experience though; I've never actually used fakeraid |
| 02:01.59 | n3kl | Wyzard: what hardware raid cards do you use? |
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| 02:02.11 | azote | hello all |
| 02:02.23 | n3kl | I have only tried nvraid, which does not seem to work for crap |
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| 02:02.47 | Wyzard | n3kl: none, just md-raid |
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| 02:03.31 | azote | anyone can tell me if its possible to create new array raid0 with mdadm but one of hdd have already datas on it and i want to keep them ? |
| 02:03.42 | venger | i use bios raid, just not for linux, and by default with just chipset support in, linux does see each seperate disk. windows sees it as one. i wasn't aware of a "fakeraid" driver though =) |
| 02:04.22 | n3kl | Wyzard: actually, hardware raid has always apealed to me, but so far, md-raid has really worked out nicely. |
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| 02:04.59 | Wyzard | Hardware raid is good if cost and lock-in aren't a concern |
| 02:05.55 | venger | i haven't dealt with software raid on linux. my experience on Solaris is that it can be cumbersome in a restore scenario when dealing with database replicas states and stuff where hardware you dont have to |
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| 02:06.48 | azote | any idea ? |
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| 02:09.25 | dondelelcaro | azote: not raid0, no. |
| 02:09.51 | azote | shit :s |
| 02:09.51 | venger | azote how much data you talking about? |
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| 02:10.02 | azote | 500Go |
| 02:10.28 | dondelelcaro | though frankly, if you can't handle all of that data just disapearing now, you shouldn't be doing a raid0 in the first place. |
| 02:10.42 | n3kl | azote: with only 2 drives? |
| 02:10.48 | azote | yes |
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| 02:10.54 | n3kl | azote: that would be silly |
| 02:11.13 | azote | silly ? |
| 02:11.18 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: there's nothing silly about raid0 with two drives, if you know why you're doing raid0 |
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| 02:11.22 | n3kl | azote: get another drive, then you can use the missing keyword and setup a raid 5 with the two disks, then add the data, then add the third disk |
| 02:11.42 | azote | i dont have other hdd :p |
| 02:11.42 | venger | its not full is it, how much is used? if you have another spot to park it use any one of backup methods and rebuild the disks... use a live cd if you have to |
| 02:11.54 | azote | is full :s |
| 02:11.57 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: if redundancy is not your concern, true, but otherwise |
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| 02:12.05 | azote | that why i buy a new :D |
| 02:12.58 | n3kl | actually, mdadm might let you build a raid0 with only 1 disk |
| 02:13.33 | venger | aka thrash drive? |
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| 02:13.44 | hellues | !paste |
| 02:13.44 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 02:13.50 | azote | that means i create arrya with my empty disk and i add other on this new array ? |
| 02:14.03 | n3kl | venger: no, it would just wait for its stripe partern disk |
| 02:14.25 | venger | understood |
| 02:14.40 | venger | so build half of one |
| 02:14.44 | n3kl | I have had to do that in a few weird installations, but never on raid0 |
| 02:14.51 | abrotman | !tell hellues about msg the bot |
| 02:15.42 | n3kl | venger: well, because there would not be a second disk, it would only use the filesystem on one disk as a regular non-stripped filesystem, then you couldmove the data, and add the later disk. Then it would sync and begin to stripe, and on 500G may take a long time |
| 02:16.01 | n3kl | venger: but again, I have not tried that on a raid0 |
| 02:17.00 | n3kl | And that all hinges on mdadm being capable of this |
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| 02:20.34 | venger | I dunno. For me, raid 0 on WD 10k drives never produced the performance gains to outweigh the risk even with the size increase. raid 1 though more expensive made more sense in the case of 2 drives |
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| 02:23.05 | Akuw | hey i am using vlc player, but i only can hear audio, but no video of the file i am using |
| 02:23.41 | n3kl | venger: most likely thats because the bus is saturated |
| 02:24.18 | n3kl | raid5 also gets cheaper the more disks you add |
| 02:25.14 | azote | and its possible to add new disk on existing array who have data on it ?? |
| 02:26.03 | n3kl | azote: sure. mdadm + lvm + xfs |
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| 02:26.56 | azote | why + ? |
| 02:27.17 | azote | that means or maybe ? |
| 02:27.55 | venger | in addition to |
| 02:29.01 | azote | i dont understand :s i need mdadm + lvm + xfs to add disk on existing array ? |
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| 02:30.12 | Akuw | ?? |
| 02:32.03 | n3kl | azote: thats how I am doing it, ext3 can also grow, but I think lvm is necessary |
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| 02:32.34 | venger | Akuw sounds like a WMV file |
| 02:33.03 | Akuw | yeah is a wmv file |
| 02:33.04 | azote | n3kl did u have a tutorial to do this maybe ? |
| 02:33.33 | venger | Akuw w32codecs? |
| 02:36.09 | Akuw | how can install codecs to vlc ? |
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| 02:36.45 | sanmarcos | how can I quit a TELNET session that is stuck? |
| 02:36.47 | abrotman | !w32codecs |
| 02:36.47 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a <non-free> package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 02:37.04 | abrotman | sanmarcos: close the window? kill the PID? how is it stuck? |
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| 02:37.28 | sanmarcos | abrotman: it wont quit with control c, z, etc, I stuck after doing AUTH plain in a SMTP session |
| 02:37.39 | Akuw | humm |
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| 02:38.04 | abrotman | sanmarcos: ctrl-d? |
| 02:38.11 | sanmarcos | same |
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| 02:38.38 | abrotman | kill PID |
| 02:38.44 | sanmarcos | k |
| 02:39.27 | justin___ | i'm having a problem with gnome |
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| 02:39.38 | justin___ | all of a sudden my keyboard stopped working |
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| 02:39.46 | lsemple | does anyone here have much experience with wifi cards ? |
| 02:39.51 | abrotman | just ask |
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| 02:40.28 | lsemple | I am trying to set up a computer for wifi, so I used netcardconfig to configure ath0 |
| 02:40.35 | bh | the exim4-daemon-light package is broken. is there's a fix for it yet ? |
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| 02:40.51 | abrotman | broken? |
| 02:40.58 | naiv | lsemple, i know how to configure a USB key for wifi |
| 02:41.04 | bh | yeah, the configuration script craps out |
| 02:41.21 | lsemple | right now I am trying a app called swscanner |
| 02:41.24 | bh | I tried to remove the package, but it still uses that script on removal |
| 02:41.30 | lsemple | to try and connect to my wireless network |
| 02:41.48 | lsemple | but it doesnt seem to want to connect, even though it detects it |
| 02:42.00 | naiv | lsemple, what's your problem ? |
| 02:42.15 | justin___ | my keyboard works on other displays and on the login screen |
| 02:42.19 | abrotman | !tell lsemple about interfaces |
| 02:42.33 | justin___ | but stops working once i log into gnome |
| 02:42.33 | naiv | !tell naiv about interfaces |
| 02:42.35 | abrotman | justin___: so when is it broken? |
| 02:42.41 | abrotman | !tell naiv about selftell |
| 02:42.54 | justin___ | once i log into gnome it stops working |
| 02:43.09 | sanmarcos | abrotman: it sucks that there is no way to kill telnet easily, it screws my testing workflow |
| 02:43.36 | n3kl | azote: just google lvm and look for the tldp. There good information in there. |
| 02:43.51 | abrotman | sanmarcos: there is |
| 02:44.14 | bh | abrotman any suggestions ? |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | justin___: check your gnome keyboard settings? |
| 02:44.15 | justin___ | the keyboard works in tty1 |
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| 02:44.30 | abrotman | bh: how does it crap out ? |
| 02:44.44 | bh | complains about a bogus arg to an init script |
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| 02:45.09 | abrotman | so look in the init script or check the BTS for a fix |
| 02:45.28 | n3kl | sanmarcos: ctrl + ] |
| 02:45.30 | n3kl | ? |
| 02:45.36 | sanmarcos | ill try |
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| 02:46.35 | sanmarcos | that sucks, my terminal intercepts my command |
| 02:46.44 | justin___ | abrotman: my board settings look fine |
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| 02:46.59 | n3kl | sanmarcos: try it at the console |
| 02:47.06 | sanmarcos | don't use it, sorry |
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| 02:47.16 | abrotman | justin___: maybe look in the xsession errors or gnome session errors |
| 02:48.14 | nvz | stacked his pringles can on his graham crackers box to make a tower for his wifi dish to remove his irc lag |
| 02:48.52 | keith4__ | is there a graphical mixer app that will run in fluxbox? |
| 02:48.56 | lsemple | Im having a hard time configuring ath0 with DHCPDISCOVER |
| 02:49.15 | nvz | ath0? |
| 02:49.19 | lsemple | I have an app that allows the wep and channel of the wifi network to be set up |
| 02:49.24 | abrotman | keith4__: alsamixergui |
| 02:49.32 | lsemple | but Ath0 (my wifi card) does not want to connect |
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| 02:49.57 | AssociateX | oh man, this is fun |
| 02:50.07 | n3kl | lsemple: are you authenticated to the access point? |
| 02:50.08 | nvz | lsemple: I'm curious.. did it come up as ath0 on its own or did you set it to that? |
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| 02:52.00 | nvz | usually if the dhcp fails I have to iwconfig again but not always.. and I noticed if I don't have at least like 20% power level I am not gonna get dhcp even if I can get auth |
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| 02:52.30 | lsemple | it came up on its own I believe |
| 02:52.32 | biopyte | hi folks. i installed ntp and configured selected a time server in gnome. however the gnome notoriously displays the wrong time. any idea? |
| 02:52.58 | n3kl | biopyte: wrong time zone |
| 02:52.59 | lsemple | n3kl: I dont remember naming it that |
| 02:53.13 | n3kl | lsemple: naming what? |
| 02:53.13 | abrotman | biopyte: does the console have the right time? |
| 02:53.16 | lsemple | I think ath stands for atheros |
| 02:53.25 | n3kl | lsemple: which it does |
| 02:53.25 | abrotman | it does |
| 02:53.26 | nvz | biopyte: ntp is only for keeping the time right it makes small adjustments over time.. ntpdate is a simple program that actually sets the time when ran |
| 02:53.33 | lsemple | wifi card, which I am having a hard time configuring |
| 02:53.35 | nvz | biopyte: if you are too far off ntp is useless |
| 02:53.45 | abrotman | ntp can slew |
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| 02:53.57 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
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| 02:54.03 | nvz | biopyte: ntp only works with a good clock battery and manually setting the clock right at least once |
| 02:54.25 | bheron | is there a reason why switching window managers in Debian isn't as simple as modifying the .xinitrc file? |
| 02:54.29 | n3kl | nvz: is that why ntp runs as a daemon? |
| 02:54.30 | abrotman | biopyte: so if you open an xterm and use 'date' does it give the right time? |
| 02:54.42 | dondelelcaro | bheron: it is if you use startx or xdm. |
| 02:54.45 | abrotman | bheron: depends how you login/startx |
| 02:54.50 | force | hello, i noticed that when i have a user connected via ssh and as root i use 'cat /dev/pts/0' i can see a few letters they type but then it disconnects the user.. i assume because of io redirection, why would this be happening? is there a better way to do this |
| 02:54.56 | dondelelcaro | bheron: or use the "Debian" method of gdm; dunno about kdm. |
| 02:55.03 | bheron | let me ask a more direct question... |
| 02:55.07 | dondelelcaro | (though frankly, you really should use .xsession, not .xinitrc) |
| 02:55.16 | lsemple | what app do I need to switch my network card from eth0 to ath0 ? |
| 02:55.18 | nvz | my clock battery is apparently dead cause I was getting warnings about timestamps in the future, so I removed ntp and just installed ntpdate which I have setup to run from /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh every time I boot now since I'm too lazy to go buy a new battery |
| 02:55.25 | bheron | how do I change to xfce or WindowMaker or something else other than GNOME? |
| 02:55.30 | nvz | n3kl: yeah, you have to stop it to use ntpdate |
| 02:55.39 | dondelelcaro | lsemple: udev will do it for you; edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-persistent-net-rules or similar |
| 02:55.41 | abrotman | bheron: how do you login ? |
| 02:55.44 | nvz | n3kl: which is why in my case I just removed ntp and installed ntpdate |
| 02:55.51 | bheron | gdm seems the be the default. |
| 02:55.57 | nvz | ntpdate pool.ntp.org will fix you up |
| 02:55.59 | dondelelcaro | nvz: uh... ntp should be sufficient |
| 02:56.08 | n3kl | nvz: ah, I never understood the difference, and that would explain why I always got better results with ntpdate |
| 02:56.10 | zinx | nvz: ntpd takes a flag to allow large jumps |
| 02:56.12 | abrotman | bheron: use .xeession .. and IIRC GDM has an option to use that file |
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| 02:56.30 | zinx | nvz: and it constantly keeps the clock in sync after that |
| 02:56.31 | dondelelcaro | when ntp starts up it jumps the clock, for the rest of the time it slews it |
| 02:56.33 | n3kl | bheron: so change it. |
| 02:56.43 | biopyte | abrotman: console time is also wrong. |
| 02:56.47 | dondelelcaro | bheron: use the Debian session. |
| 02:56.48 | zinx | dondelelcaro: it won't step it when it starts if it's way off by default |
| 02:56.57 | abrotman | !tell biopyte about set the time |
| 02:57.08 | zinx | dondelelcaro: it needs -g or somesuch |
| 02:57.24 | nvz | dondelelcaro: *shrug* all I know is I seen those warnings about timestamps in the future and it came to my attention my clock battery was no longer keeping the time, so I ran ntpdate and it said ntp was already running so I uninstalled it because it obviously wasn't working for me |
| 02:57.32 | sploodge | Just wondering, is there any reason why Etch only has GNOME 2.14? |
| 02:57.52 | n3kl | biopyte: your system time is wrong. All these parts look at the same place for time, afaik |
| 02:58.09 | abrotman | sploodge: that's what it released with |
| 02:58.29 | sploodge | But GNOME 2.22 isn't in the repos. |
| 02:58.33 | dondelelcaro | zinx: uh... it should step the clock immediately; if you've got a clock that is more than 1000s off, something is wrong. |
| 02:58.38 | sploodge | (please note I'm using Lenny/Sid) |
| 02:58.39 | bheron | abrotman, xsession goes in my home directory? |
| 02:58.46 | dondelelcaro | (but if that's the case, you can edit /etc/default/ntpd) |
| 02:58.48 | zinx | dondelelcaro: as is the case when you have no bios battery. |
| 02:58.50 | abrotman | bheron: yes |
| 02:59.03 | n3kl | nvz: I think if you stop ntp it would do the same. I think I remember the same thing, and the port was already in use or something, right? |
| 02:59.13 | dondelelcaro | zinx: and actually, I think -g is the default now for the Debian packages. |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | bheron: that's .xsession just so we're clear |
| 02:59.23 | zinx | dondelelcaro: hard for a system to keep time with no power to the clock or nvram ;) |
| 02:59.40 | biopyte | n3kl: oops, maybe i should check the BIOS time |
| 02:59.48 | abrotman | sploodge: when is the last time you did a dist-upgrade ? |
| 02:59.50 | bheron | abrotman, yes... as you can see I spelled it correctly. :) |
| 02:59.50 | nvz | n3kl: yeah but in my case the point is I removed it cause my battery is dead and every time I reboot I'm set back a decade or more so ntp was not helping |
| 02:59.55 | dondelelcaro | nvz: the bios clock doesn't have anything to do with the system clock once things are running |
| 02:59.55 | sploodge | abrotman: Today. |
| 03:00.01 | n3kl | biopyte: you can set the hardware clock using hwclock |
| 03:00.07 | abrotman | sploodge: paste your sources.list somewhere |
| 03:00.07 | abrotman | !paste |
| 03:00.08 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 03:00.20 | sploodge | abrotman: No, I meant the Etch repos. |
| 03:00.21 | n3kl | biopyte: set the linux system time, then commit the time to the bios. Seems to have always been very reliable for me. |
| 03:00.27 | sploodge | abrotman: The Lenny ones are fine. |
| 03:00.30 | abrotman | sploodge: etch has gnome 2.14 |
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| 03:00.42 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah but my battery doesnt seem to be holding a charge anymore so I setup ntpdate to run at boot cause ntp wasnt setting it right it was like 10 years or so behind every time I booted |
| 03:00.46 | sploodge | abrotman: Yes, I know. I'm asking why they only have 2.14. |
| 03:00.46 | bheron | abrotman, sorry... it just shocks me how far afield I have to go make it happen. It's like every one is simply expected to use GNOME these days. Sorry for the slight bitterness. |
| 03:00.55 | zinx | Debian syncs the system clock to the hardware clock when you shut it down.. or at least it should. |
| 03:00.55 | abrotman | sploodge: that's what it released with |
| 03:01.09 | krlos | problems with my leny distro.... i just upgrade my lenny... and it doesn't run now |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | bheron: it depends on the *dm .. some do it more easily than others |
| 03:01.11 | sploodge | abrotman: So why don't the repos contain updates? |
| 03:01.15 | zinx | erh, the other way around i guess it is.. in any case, it sets the hardware clock. |
| 03:01.21 | drwahl | i was watching a music video with kmplayer, and all the sudden there is a beep in my speakers. i stopped the movie and closed kmplayer, but the beep is still there. i think the video may have been slightly corrupt (there was a small glitch in it, but it kept playing) and that may have started it. is there anyway to see what is accessing the sound device and interrupt it? |
| 03:01.24 | abrotman | !tell sploodge about meaning of stable |
| 03:01.27 | biopyte | nrkl: good idea. thx. |
| 03:01.28 | nvz | I'm not sure what date exactly this machine reverts back to but its not like 70s or 80s.. its only an AthlonXP class system |
| 03:01.45 | sploodge | Oh, I see. |
| 03:01.45 | krlos | there a problem in lenny distro? |
| 03:01.57 | sploodge | I guess I'll just move over to Sid. :D |
| 03:02.00 | krlos | do u known something about it |
| 03:02.06 | abrotman | sploodge: don't do that |
| 03:02.12 | nvz | krlos: there are probably lots of small problems.. its a testing branch |
| 03:02.22 | sploodge | abrotman: I know how to find my way around Linux. |
| 03:02.33 | nvz | krlos: you'd have to look at the release critical bugs page on the BTS |
| 03:02.35 | abrotman | sploodge: apparently not enough to know what stable means in debian .. don't use unstable |
| 03:02.39 | sploodge | abrotman: I was just confused about the Debian release cycle thing. |
| 03:03.00 | nvz | krlos: I think its http://bugs.debian.org/ReleaseCritical/ or some variation of that |
| 03:03.18 | nvz | I can never remember exactly how they write release-critical in the url |
| 03:03.23 | bheron | abrotman, thanks... that worked. I'm used to using .xinitrc for that. |
| 03:03.32 | n3kl | What is the best way to help debian? Bug Reports? |
| 03:03.49 | sploodge | abrotman: I assumed it was like ArchLinux's repos. |
| 03:03.50 | krlos | nvz .. now i am in a windoze machine |
| 03:03.55 | nvz | n3kl: the best way is to help |
| 03:04.03 | drwahl | nm, i figured it out. i used 'lsof | grep snd' and found that it was firefox that was freaking it out. thanks! |
| 03:04.09 | n3kl | nvz: where? |
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| 03:05.01 | nvz | n3kl: do whatever you are able.. support on irc, mailing lists, lugs, goto confs if you can, donate money, write documentation, test the testing/unstable software and report bugs, adopt a package.. etc |
| 03:05.07 | krlos | i am trying to fix it |
| 03:05.09 | sploodge | Oh, why is Debian's vi so weird? |
| 03:05.11 | nvz | n3kl: there are countles ways to help |
| 03:05.27 | sploodge | I can't move the pointer one space after the text in insert mode. |
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| 03:05.58 | abrotman | sploodge: how many different distros have you used? |
| 03:06.24 | sploodge | abrotman: ArchLinux, ZenWalk, Gentoo and FreeBSD if that counts. |
| 03:06.27 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 03:06.27 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 03:06.43 | abrotman | sploodge: i've never seen insert mode go after the end of a line that i can recall, on any linux or unix |
| 03:06.53 | abrotman | unless i append instead of insert |
| 03:06.58 | nvz | n3kl: I used to be real active in here.. but I've been busy the past few years or just otherwise not around. I sometimes think about the fact that I could do more like writing docs or reporting more bugs.. I haven't even ran a testing/unstable branch in a long time cause I gotten so comfortable having my stuff all work a certain way I don't want to be bothered.. |
| 03:07.04 | AssociateX | ah man, there's no k9copy available |
| 03:07.05 | abrotman | or maybe i've just not noticed |
| 03:07.22 | nvz | n3kl: you can however run stable and install the other branches in a chroot and run newer packages inside stable to test them |
| 03:07.22 | abrotman | or misunderstanding your question |
| 03:07.24 | Mantaar | sploodge: are you sure you're not just in compatible? Debian's vim is pretty vanilla |
| 03:07.26 | sploodge | abrotman: Oh, I've been using Insert instead of Append. |
| 03:07.38 | abrotman | sploodge: you're also using vim-tiny .. not vim-full |
| 03:07.42 | abrotman | likely anyways |
| 03:07.53 | sploodge | I always forget that Append exists. |
| 03:07.54 | nvz | n3kl: I keep saying I will make time to browse around and test new things but I never get around to it |
| 03:07.56 | n3kl | nvz: I have noticed you in here more |
| 03:08.05 | sploodge | So I'm lazy and move Insert to the end of the line. |
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| 03:08.31 | nvz | n3kl: yeah well I just got my desktop down here with me now, and bought a USB Wireless-G Dish adapter for it.. heh |
| 03:08.33 | n3kl | sploodge: are you using vi or somethign? |
| 03:08.48 | sploodge | n3kl: Never mind, solved. |
| 03:08.57 | n3kl | nvz: I used to spend more time in here and I remember you nick a lot |
| 03:09.21 | nvz | n3kl: yeah I used to be more helpful.. heh |
| 03:09.26 | nvz | now I'm just bored |
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| 03:10.01 | sploodge | I never really learnt how to use Vi properly. -_- |
| 03:10.15 | nvz | I dont come on irc as much when all I have around is a windows box |
| 03:10.20 | n3kl | reads http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
| 03:10.26 | nvz | I hate using anything but irssi and screen on my debian box |
| 03:10.42 | n3kl | nvz: I hear that, and putt gets old fast |
| 03:10.46 | nvz | I normally end up with pidgin or chatzilla on windows and they all suck |
| 03:10.49 | n3kl | nvz: er putty |
| 03:10.55 | nvz | or cgi-irc |
| 03:11.02 | nvz | I hate putty |
| 03:11.29 | nvz | it always seems to mess up little things when you got putty + screen + irssi |
| 03:11.30 | n3kl | nvz: I use pidgin for google talk |
| 03:11.34 | n3kl | its not too bad |
| 03:11.48 | nvz | I like pidgin I just don't like anything but irssi for irc |
| 03:11.54 | n3kl | putty is like the defacto though |
| 03:12.06 | n3kl | same here |
| 03:12.15 | nvz | I did use bitlbee at one point so I didn;t ever have to leave irssi |
| 03:12.29 | nvz | its a little irc - to other networks - gateway |
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| 03:14.06 | nvz | n3kl: yeah putty is sweet but I just hate windows and the way its not as easy or familiar controlling debian from within windows |
| 03:14.19 | nvz | n3kl: I use putty a lot especially on my pocketpc |
| 03:14.26 | redwyrm | Is there a way to move all pages used by a process out of memory and into swap? I'm hoping that this would improve responsiveness in my memory-hungry program :) |
| 03:14.37 | nvz | Its just less headache to run windows mobile on that thing and use putty |
| 03:15.08 | redwyrm | ^^^ out of swap and into memory, I meant :/ |
| 03:15.24 | nvz | redwyrm: heh |
| 03:15.30 | n3kl | redwyrm: you could always get more memory |
| 03:15.42 | redwyrm | I have a laptop, and I'm poor |
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| 03:15.51 | nvz | redwyrm: yeah thats the bottom line you need more memory or run less things if this is happening |
| 03:16.09 | nvz | redwyrm: your kernel should be making the most of what its got |
| 03:16.13 | redwyrm | so there's no possible way of doing this? |
| 03:16.30 | Wyzard | redwyrm: The kernel does that automatically |
| 03:16.38 | redwyrm | but my kernel doesn't know that I want _every page_ from this program in memory _now_ |
| 03:16.45 | nvz | redwyrm: the kernel is considering more than you are right now |
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| 03:17.00 | redwyrm | nvz, what do you mean? |
| 03:17.05 | nvz | redwyrm: its considering the fact that it needs cache and whatnot or else the whole thing will run slower anyhow |
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| 03:17.17 | nvz | redwyrm: its only swapping the least significant things |
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| 03:17.27 | nvz | when it absolutly has to to make the system run faster |
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| 03:18.16 | nvz | this is the reason the kernel exists to stop users from doing dumb things to crash the whole system out of personal interest |
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| 03:18.42 | redwyrm | nvz, least significant = the page in memory that hasn't been accessed in the longest amount of time? |
| 03:18.51 | n3kl | PS, linux has awesome memory management |
| 03:18.59 | AssociateX | If I cant get something with apt-get, k9copy in this case, what do I do?? |
| 03:19.06 | AssociateX | <--- first day with debian |
| 03:19.26 | n3kl | AssociateX: add a source for the debian multimedia and try again |
| 03:19.33 | nvz | redwyrm: if you really want to get this far into all this rather than running less or buying more ram, you need to read kernel docs and compile your own kernel.. heh |
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| 03:20.06 | biopyte | nrkl: correct time now. thx. |
| 03:20.11 | n3kl | AssociateX: your source list is a list of places to get packages from. You need the multimedia source. Google for the exact link, cause you will also need a key |
| 03:20.13 | AssociateX | n3kl: thanks, I'll read up on how to do that |
| 03:20.41 | redwyrm | nvz, yeah... I probably need to look at the source and see how the kernel does MM |
| 03:20.44 | n3kl | biopyte: thank nvz |
| 03:20.46 | redwyrm | thanks |
| 03:20.57 | nvz | redwyrm: your system has lots of sleeping processes with lots of memory resident libraries and data, the kernel will swap out as needed to keep the active tasks running |
| 03:20.58 | GuySoft | hello, i really need help - my system wont boot! i was updating my raid configuration, and something seems to be worng with my grub and initrd files. is there a way to use initramfs to boot in to the system? |
| 03:21.07 | n3kl | redwyrm: what program are you using? |
| 03:21.13 | n3kl | redwyrm: how much ram? |
| 03:21.14 | WaffleMatt | AssociateX, debian-multimedia.org would be the place to do so. |
| 03:21.29 | AssociateX | thank you WaffleMatt |
| 03:21.47 | nvz | redwyrm: if you are savvy in C then the source code is the absolutle easiest way to go |
| 03:21.59 | redwyrm | n3kl, firefox |
| 03:22.06 | redwyrm | and 512megs of ram |
| 03:22.07 | biopyte | ok. thx nvz. |
| 03:22.12 | nvz | redwyrm: I read through it, but its all hit and miss with me cause C isn't really my kinda language |
| 03:22.21 | nvz | biopyte: ? :) |
| 03:22.25 | n3kl | Anyone know where I can buy a debian polo or something? |
| 03:22.26 | GuySoft | um, is there a way to generate an initrd outside the system? |
| 03:22.30 | n3kl | Is there somethign official? |
| 03:22.31 | nvz | I don't even remember talking to you |
| 03:22.32 | nvz | heh |
| 03:23.08 | biopyte | nvz: ask n3kl |
| 03:23.17 | biopyte | hehe |
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| 03:24.16 | n3kl | redwyrm: dood, try closing other apps. |
| 03:24.33 | redwyrm | hmm |
| 03:24.35 | redwyrm | ok :/ |
| 03:24.43 | GuySoft | here is another way in the system - i have an initramfs terminal.. is there a way to boot on to a system from there? |
| 03:24.50 | nvz | n3kl: I just found a nice one for like US$18 on cafepress, via google for debian polo shirt |
| 03:25.17 | n3kl | nvz: ah, so you did =] |
| 03:25.33 | n3kl | I found http://www.hackerstickers.com/products/sticker-debian-linux.shtml |
| 03:25.40 | nvz | moves his screen session into a damn aterm instead of hopping back and forth from a vc to X |
| 03:25.48 | GuySoft | anybody? |
| 03:25.58 | n3kl | There should be an official debian store in support of debian |
| 03:26.56 | nvz | n3kl: http://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise |
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| 03:27.30 | n3kl | nvz: hot shizzle! |
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| 03:28.49 | nvz | n3kl: the thing is if you want to make cash type donations you have to donate to groups that are actually doing work for money or donate to services they need.. |
| 03:29.24 | Aeroraptor | Hi, I need to mount an ntfs HDD, but when I try and install ntfs-3g I get a dependency error "ntfs-3g: Depends: libfuse2 (>= 2.6) but 2.5.3-4.4 is to be installed" |
| 03:29.36 | Aeroraptor | I've installed libfuse2 seperately but it's not going |
| 03:29.54 | nvz | n3kl: in a sense donating to oftc is helping debian cause thats now their offical chat server, but in the same regaurd donating to freenode helping keep this network running is probably a bigger help cause there is a larger support community here |
| 03:29.54 | Aeroraptor | running debian-current |
| 03:30.34 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: "debian-current" isn't very clear what you mean |
| 03:30.38 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: etch? lenny? |
| 03:30.42 | Wyzard | sid? |
| 03:30.51 | nvz | n3kl: just wearing a debian shirt, getting people using it and spreading the word is supporting debian |
| 03:30.56 | Aeroraptor | Wyzard: not sure, thats what I had written on the CD when I installed two week ago |
| 03:30.58 | Aeroraptor | how can I check? |
| 03:31.02 | Aeroraptor | I think lenny |
| 03:31.03 | n3kl | nvz: *but*, if the money from the shirts was marked up a bit, the rest of the money *could* go to the cause. I have payed 50 bucks for t-shirts in the past |
| 03:31.11 | Aeroraptor | oh no, etch |
| 03:31.16 | Aeroraptor | 4.0, so says phpsysinfo |
| 03:31.22 | Aeroraptor | (it's a server) |
| 03:31.25 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: what does "apt-cache policy libfuse2" say? |
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| 03:31.46 | keith4__ | in alsaguimixer... I have an IEC958 device, but it has a white dot above each channel, that turns red if I click it. I have a sinking feeling that means it's an input...? |
| 03:31.52 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: Paste the output of that command |
| 03:31.56 | nvz | n3kl: money only does so much.. pay for servers and related costs,, which is usually taken care of by donations from major corporations |
| 03:32.06 | Aeroraptor | Wyzard: http://pastebin.ca/996661 |
| 03:32.13 | nvz | n3kl: what is valuable to debian is time |
| 03:32.22 | keith4__ | er, alsamixergui rather |
| 03:32.23 | n3kl | nvz: you are saying spend more time in here? |
| 03:32.29 | nvz | n3kl: so wearing the shirt helps more than paying for it |
| 03:32.36 | AssociateX | I didn't know that I would have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list for multimedia stuffs. I'm going to have to read up on this file |
| 03:32.56 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: how about "apt-cache policy ntfs-3g"? |
| 03:33.00 | Aeroraptor | I would naturally format to ext3 but I need to burn the data to DVDs |
| 03:33.12 | Aeroraptor | and such |
| 03:33.13 | nvz | cause if 5 people see it and each tell 5 people and somewhere down the line 3 of them end up donating time to help with code, docs..etc |
| 03:33.51 | Aeroraptor | Wyzard: http://pastebin.ca/996664 |
| 03:34.25 | n3kl | nvz: I only know perl, so afaik, code is out for me, but thats the second time you have mention docs. Where could I write docs. debian-administration.org er whatever the site is? |
| 03:34.47 | nvz | n3kl: these companies are basically profiting off advertising debian at no cost to debian, the users are picking up the tab by buying the merchandise |
| 03:34.52 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: OK, so apparently ntfs-3g isn't actually in etch, but you have it via backports |
| 03:34.59 | Aeroraptor | oh? |
| 03:35.05 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: and it (unsurprisingly) depends on the backport version of libfuse2 |
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| 03:35.19 | n3kl | nvz: understood. Its just advertising |
| 03:35.20 | nvz | n3kl: dude, debian is like 70% perl |
| 03:35.21 | Aeroraptor | alrighty |
| 03:35.24 | Aeroraptor | how can I get it going? |
| 03:35.27 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: but because of the way the backports repository is set up, apt never automatically installs a backport version unless you specifically ask it to |
| 03:35.36 | Aeroraptor | ahh |
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| 03:35.40 | n3kl | nvz: qua? |
| 03:35.42 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: See how in the output of "apt-cache policy libfuse2" you see a "***" next to 2.5.3-4.4? |
| 03:35.48 | n3kl | nvz: news to me |
| 03:35.50 | nvz | n3kl: I'm just making up a statistic but seriously perl is heavily used |
| 03:36.04 | Aeroraptor | Wyzard: yeah I noticed that |
| 03:36.07 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: That's the version apt has calculated is the most preferable |
| 03:36.10 | Aeroraptor | kinda wondering |
| 03:36.15 | nvz | n3kl: in the core debian apps like the installer and dpkg |
| 03:36.21 | Aeroraptor | oooh. |
| 03:36.35 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: because it's available with priority 100, whereas the 2.7 version from backports is only priority 1 (the numbers next to the URLs) |
| 03:36.50 | Aeroraptor | yeah? |
| 03:36.54 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: so if you want to install the backport version of libfuse2, you have to tell apt to install exactly that version |
| 03:36.54 | n3kl | nvz: perhaps I will think more seriously about where I can help then |
| 03:36.57 | nvz | n3kl: and things like our loyal blootbots i believe are written in perl |
| 03:37.01 | PhorceP | Anyone here ever LD_PRELOAD 32-bit things into 32-bit apps under amd64? |
| 03:37.04 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: apt-get install libfuse2=2.7.1-2~bpo40+1 |
| 03:37.19 | nvz | n3kl: there is some code that can always use some work.. heh |
| 03:37.21 | Aeroraptor | Wyzard: and then the same for ntfs-3g? |
| 03:37.38 | nvz | n3kl: a lot of people want to just completly rewrite that damn thing |
| 03:37.45 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: You don't need to do that for ntfs-3g because there is no etch version, only the backport version |
| 03:37.45 | Aeroraptor | or will the standard ntfs-3g work? |
| 03:38.02 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: see how the "apt-cache policy ntfs-3g" output only shows a URL for the backports repository? |
| 03:38.03 | Aeroraptor | so apt-getting ntfs-3g should work now |
| 03:38.07 | Aeroraptor | looks |
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| 03:38.11 | nvz | n3kl: not to mention it has like no documentation at all |
| 03:38.14 | Aeroraptor | yeah |
| 03:38.22 | nvz | n3kl: and its fun to play with |
| 03:38.26 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: Since that's the only one, that's the one apt uses |
| 03:38.34 | Aeroraptor | ahhh |
| 03:38.39 | Aeroraptor | that makes sense! |
| 03:38.55 | Aeroraptor | heh, now it needs fuse-utils |
| 03:38.57 | Aeroraptor | silly silly... |
| 03:38.59 | DynV | is there a program that allows program to be minimized in the notification area even if it doesn't natively support it ? Or perhaps group them in a single edge panel item ? It's annoying to have to always select 3+ programs to be always visible on workspace ... |
| 03:39.31 | Wyzard | Aeroraptor: Actually, if you do "apt-get install -t etch-backports ntfs-3g", it should use the etch-backports versions of all the dependencies |
| 03:39.40 | Aeroraptor | oh |
| 03:39.41 | Aeroraptor | fancy |
| 03:39.49 | nvz | DynV: I actually recall something about a "swallowed app" or something of the sort |
| 03:40.04 | n3kl | Debian rocks |
| 03:40.10 | Aeroraptor | :D it installed! |
| 03:40.13 | nvz | DynV: don't have anything solid to give you right now though.. I'd have to look around same as you |
| 03:40.17 | Aeroraptor | now lets see if I can mount the drive with rw |
| 03:40.59 | DynV | nvz: although I'm not really experimented in looking around debian programs ... |
| 03:41.01 | n3kl | Wyzard: aren't there wierd permission issues with ntfs? |
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| 03:41.31 | Wyzard | n3kl: Probably, but I haven't tried writing to it from Linux |
| 03:41.38 | sanmarcos | postfix only supports PAM auth through SASLAUTHD? |
| 03:41.38 | n3kl | ah |
| 03:41.47 | DynV | nvz: got any advice on it ? |
| 03:41.54 | Wyzard | n3kl: I'd assume that files created by ntfs-3g just inherit ownership/permissions from their container like most things in NTFS do |
| 03:42.12 | Aeroraptor | Wyzard: ! :D |
| 03:42.14 | Aeroraptor | it works! |
| 03:42.18 | Aeroraptor | yay for ntfs-3g |
| 03:42.18 | nvz | DynV: yeah. what I do is I dont use a task list like windows has, I take that off my panel and use the window selector applet, its just an old mac-finder style drop-down menu so the programs are out of sight out of mind unless I click on it |
| 03:42.18 | Wyzard | cool |
| 03:42.23 | Aeroraptor | thanks a bunch |
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| 03:43.14 | DynV | nvz: :D smart, I'm used to this style though |
| 03:43.17 | nvz | DynV: what I am getting from you is its a matter of comfort, a program is apparently being annoying and you don't want to look at it.. heh |
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| 03:43.45 | nvz | DynV: I use sawfish and gnome-panel and right now I have 3 panels and they all auto hide, and I utilize multiple desktops |
| 03:43.53 | DynV | nvz: no it's a workspace issue |
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| 03:44.03 | nvz | most of what I do is through keyboard and mouse gestures anyhow |
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| 03:44.10 | swilky | hey all .. i was wondering .. can you setup a linux server to connect on PPoE and use it as a gate way for other computers with internet ip addresses behind it ? |
| 03:44.32 | nvz | DynV: what wm and panel are you using? |
| 03:44.47 | DynV | swilky: yeah, I used smoothwall |
| 03:44.54 | nvz | megashitty and gnome-panel? |
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| 03:45.22 | n3kl | nvz: why sawfish? |
| 03:45.27 | DynV | nvz: I'm not familiar with those terms, I'm on gnome ... |
| 03:45.34 | n3kl | nvz: is it better than flux? |
| 03:45.37 | Mantaar | swilky: you will need pppd and probably a dhc client and some nat for that. |
| 03:45.45 | nvz | DynV: yeah then you have gnome-panel and metacity |
| 03:45.52 | swilky | do basicly it dosent use local addresses and NAT etc but it routes internet ips through the PPoE |
| 03:46.06 | DynV | nvz: whats wm ? |
| 03:46.13 | DynV | nvz: window manager ? |
| 03:46.13 | n3kl | DynV: window manager |
| 03:46.14 | swilky | ? |
| 03:46.16 | nvz | DynV: metacity is your window manager |
| 03:46.19 | Wyzard | swilky: PPPoE only gives you one Internet IP |
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| 03:46.43 | swilky | yes i know that but if i own exrtra ips |
| 03:46.48 | Wyzard | swilky: or do you have others assigned statically by your ISP? |
| 03:46.56 | DynV | nvz: why you diss metacity ? |
| 03:46.57 | swilky | and set those ips to machines behind the router |
| 03:47.06 | Wyzard | swilky: You can make a router for that |
| 03:47.24 | nvz | n3kl: sawfish is just awesome, its light, written in lisp so you can change it on the fly.. any settings or scripts you write you dont have to save or restart you can just control your environment in a way I have never seen with anything else |
| 03:47.27 | Wyzard | swilky: You'd just need to add entries for those IPs to the routing table, and enable IP forwarding |
| 03:47.35 | nvz | DynV: because gnome dropped my fav wm for it |
| 03:48.04 | nvz | DynV: and its no comparison.. its just more up to date with Open Desktop Standards and allows smoother theme integration and whatnot |
| 03:48.10 | swilky | so any one on the internet could ping those adresses and it will go through the PPPoe? |
| 03:48.22 | DynV | nvz: can't you customize it so it does it your way ? |
| 03:48.24 | swilky | if the routes are set? |
| 03:48.27 | nvz | DynV: its more visually pleasing and far less functional in my opinion |
| 03:48.32 | Wyzard | swilky: yes |
| 03:48.58 | nvz | DynV: I will admit that these days gnome has made other means of doing things my wm does, but its just not the same |
| 03:49.03 | swilky | would my isp need to route those ip adresses throug my gate way tho? |
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| 03:49.16 | nvz | I like my key bindings the way sawfish handles them |
| 03:49.23 | Wyzard | swilky: yes, but if you're paying them for extra IPs, I'd expect them to do that |
| 03:49.31 | swilky | ahhhh |
| 03:49.42 | swilky | thank you so much Wyzard |
| 03:49.42 | nvz | and I just don't run all of gnome. right now I am only running gnome-panel, nautilus and gnome-settings-daemon |
| 03:49.43 | Wyzard | swilky: otherwise it'd be impossible for you to use the addresses |
| 03:49.53 | nvz | which is just enough to make it look like gnome |
| 03:50.04 | swilky | thats what i thort but i could but that togeather in my head |
| 03:50.10 | swilky | chears mate |
| 03:50.39 | nvz | but its way lighter on memory and easier to control for me |
| 03:50.52 | nvz | cause sawfish is in charge, not gnome-session |
| 03:51.39 | nvz | gnome crap is like windows crap, it changes. Names, conventions, and locations of things will change over time |
| 03:52.13 | Wyzard | nvz: Everything changes over time; that's not a justification for calling it crap |
| 03:52.21 | nvz | as long as I run things with sawfish being the main componant of my xsession I have some consistancy and feeling I can always control things |
| 03:52.49 | nvz | Wyzard: its bothersome to have to keep learning new ways to do things that are simple mundane type things |
| 03:52.57 | DynV | nvz: is it graphic or character based ? |
| 03:53.02 | pyrohotdog | What packages do I need to be able to access iTunes music shares on the network with Rhythmbox? |
| 03:53.26 | nvz | DynV: hah, sawfish is just a window manager, just draws frames around windows and lets you move them and whatnont |
| 03:53.53 | swilky | Wyzard :All i should need is ipfowading and PPPoE client correct? |
| 03:54.10 | Wyzard | swilky: and the entries in your routing table |
| 03:54.27 | Wyzard | swilky: I don't know offhand how to configure "static routes" that are restored automatically each time the system boots, but it can be done |
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| 03:54.46 | Wyzard | swilky: It wouldn't be a bad idea to run a firewall too -- I recommend FireHOL -- though that's not strictly necessary |
| 03:54.52 | swilky | i can make a script |
| 03:54.58 | nvz | DynV: but its a very dynamic one that lets you program exactly how you want windows to appear and how you want to control them with your input devices and since its written in a lisp, you can configure all that on the fly.. there's no opening configurations, applying them, restarting the wm.. you just press a key combo set a command and its set and ready to use |
| 03:55.00 | swilky | and make the script run on boot easy XD |
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| 03:55.18 | Wyzard | That works |
| 03:55.42 | DynV | nvz: seem interesting although I don't need such complexity |
| 03:56.07 | Wyzard | Sawfish was the default window manager for GNOME years ago |
| 03:56.09 | nvz | DynV: like if you look in your desktop menu under prefrences there is a keyboard shortcuts.. but thats just for basic crap like vol up and dn and stuff |
| 03:56.19 | woohooo | how do i initialise a new ruleset for udev? something like udev-start? |
| 03:56.40 | DynV | nvz: oooouh ! that'S interesting ! |
| 03:56.47 | woohooo | also, which command does dpkg (here) take for nvidia on lenny on amd64? |
| 03:57.03 | DynV | nvz: can I use gnome with it ? |
| 03:57.06 | Wyzard | woohooo: If you've installed the rules and you want udev to rescan the system's hardware so it can apply them, I believe "udevtrigger" is the right way to do that |
| 03:57.18 | woohooo | Wyzard: thankyou, i'll give it a shot |
| 03:57.21 | woohooo | :) |
| 03:57.27 | woohooo | pun |
| 03:57.33 | nvz | DynV: sawfish lets you set any combination of keystrokes or mouse gestures to any command or action like minimise, maximize..etc, all based on context.. the context is based on where the pointer is located. so the same command can do different things based on if the pointer is on a window, its frame, its title bar, its close button..etc |
| 03:57.54 | Wyzard | !tell woohooo about nvidia_post_etch |
| 03:58.06 | nvz | DynV: that is just something I have grown accustomed to long before I ever even started using debian.. back when gnome still used sawfish |
| 03:58.09 | Wyzard | woohooo: It's the same on amd64 as on i386 |
| 03:58.38 | Wyzard | woohooo: If you want accelerated 3D to work in 32-bit programs, you'll need to install nvidia-glx-ia32 (in addition to the regular nvidia-glx) |
| 03:58.40 | woohooo | Wyzard: but isn't there a problem with lenny atm, where nvidia-glx isn't in repo? |
| 03:58.57 | Wyzard | woohooo: ah, that's true... you'll have to get the packages from sid |
| 03:59.14 | woohooo | Wyzard: apt-pinning unstable? |
| 03:59.14 | Wyzard | woohooo: and it used to be that the packages in sid didn't work with lenny's xorg, but someone recently told me that's been resolved; I haven't tried it myself though |
| 03:59.48 | Wyzard | woohooo: I'd pin testing, and add an unstable repository for grabbing selected things (like nvidia) from |
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| 03:59.52 | nvz | DynV: many newer wms can do all that but you have to open up an XML file and then edit it, and XML is a PITAm abd even if you wrote a graphical frontend like sawfish-ui to set the commands in the xml file, you'd still have to apply them and restart the wm for them to take effect |
| 04:00.04 | Wyzard | woohooo: or just download the .deb files from http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 04:00.22 | nvz | its just so damn easy to use thats why I like it, its good at what it does and its user friendly |
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| 04:01.03 | Wyzard | nvz: FWIW, I wouldn't mind having to restart a window manager to apply a change like that |
| 04:01.19 | Wyzard | It's not like one does it frequently, and restarting the WM isn't a destructive action that requires you to save and quit your programs |
| 04:01.33 | Wyzard | Things flicker for a moment; big deal |
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| 04:02.06 | woohooo | Wyzard: nvidia-kernel-source doesn't appear to be available either |
| 04:02.07 | nvz | Wyzard: I'm a config junkie I have a damn hotkey to get the sawfish-ui bindings window up and then I just hit the grab button, set my keystrokes, enter my command and I'm ready to use it |
| 04:02.11 | keith4__ | can anyone identify these red dots? http://office.digiraticonsulting.com/~erekson/pics/alsa.png |
| 04:02.20 | Wyzard | (I'm not really criticizing Sawfish; I just don't think that particular advantage is that much of an advantage) |
| 04:02.40 | Wyzard | woohooo: Get that from sid too |
| 04:02.43 | nvz | Wyzard: I like to control on the fly.. if something weird occurs and I need a hotkey to manage something real quick I like to be able to do it |
| 04:03.02 | daya | while installing nfs , Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?) |
| 04:03.03 | daya | , whats the error |
| 04:03.03 | nvz | I script and whatnot more than most people I am sure |
| 04:03.10 | \amethyst | nvz: xbindkeys isn't too bad |
| 04:03.20 | Wyzard | keith4__: recording source would be my guess |
| 04:03.31 | nvz | I'm the kinda person that will type su; exit or something |
| 04:03.34 | \amethyst | nvz: though I generally use sawfish at home, I use metacity+xbindkeys at work |
| 04:03.44 | \amethyst | and devilspie |
| 04:03.45 | nvz | just to save myself a step later |
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| 04:03.47 | nvz | heh |
| 04:03.48 | keith4__ | Wyzard: but there are other recording sources, with no dots |
| 04:03.55 | Wyzard | keith4__: IEC958 seems to be S/PDIF |
| 04:04.31 | Wyzard | keith4__: I mean the currently-selected recording source |
| 04:04.43 | Wyzard | keith4__: where audio will actually be sampled from if you tell the card to record |
| 04:05.10 | keith4__ | well.... hold on |
| 04:05.11 | Wyzard | (Typically there are several things the card *can* record from, but only one can be used at a time) |
| 04:05.16 | n3kl | nvz: are there gui tools to manage it or is it all config and vi? |
| 04:05.23 | nvz | \amethyst: I've not looked at it and I have no real urge to use another wm to need it either. I like ion a bit, and kahakai was cool but its dead now, and openbox is alright too it has a lot of the control sawfish does but its all xml and I think its in C so its not as versitile as rep |
| 04:05.32 | nvz | n3kl: manage what? |
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| 04:05.41 | n3kl | nvz: the wm |
| 04:05.46 | nvz | n3kl: sawfish? |
| 04:05.49 | n3kl | yeah |
| 04:05.56 | \amethyst | n3kl: there is a pretty good GUI configurator for it |
| 04:05.58 | nvz | n3kl: it has a gtk based ui, its called sawfish-ui |
| 04:06.08 | n3kl | ah |
| 04:06.12 | keith4__ | Wyzard: http://office.digiraticonsulting.com/~erekson/pics/alsa2.png |
| 04:06.19 | nvz | n3kl: its about old as gtk.. heh |
| 04:06.23 | \amethyst | I mean, you can do more powerful stuff with an editor on the config file |
| 04:06.27 | nvz | sawfish-ui that is.. haha |
| 04:06.29 | keith4__ | i seem to be able to un-red them, but nothing else has those dots, no matter what I do |
| 04:06.51 | \amethyst | but you can set up a lot more stuff in sawfish-ui than you can in, say, metacity's preferences |
| 04:06.56 | Wyzard | keith4: hmm, dunno then |
| 04:07.01 | nvz | there was gtk and the gimp, then the gods said let there be sawfish-ui! |
| 04:07.03 | \amethyst | or in most fvwm configurators |
| 04:07.20 | \amethyst | that's probably not even a word, but I will keep using it |
| 04:07.48 | \amethyst | oh, I guess it actually is a word |
| 04:07.51 | nvz | \amethyst: goonulate isn't a word but I think it goes great with the word finagle so I use it all the time |
| 04:07.59 | Wyzard | keith4: I assume that's alsamixer-gui... see if one of the other UIs (alsamixer or gnome-alsamixer) makes it clearer |
| 04:08.10 | nvz | \amethyst: you gotta goonulate before you finagle |
| 04:09.15 | nvz | the goonulation process is where you're just sitting there looking all bug eyed at something, then the finaglation process is where you actually figure out how to work it |
| 04:09.39 | keith4__ | Wyzard: no gnome. i'll check alsamixer |
| 04:09.48 | \amethyst | nvz: oh, you mean bewilderation |
| 04:09.54 | nvz | \amethyst: hah |
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| 04:10.28 | st1650 | I'm looking for an install guide for vmware-server on Lenny ... anyone can help ? (Google didnt) |
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| 04:10.41 | nvz | \amethyst: goonulate and finagle just sound funny together.. I like using stupid words in the tech field cause people always want complicated sounding explanations for simple problems that don't really have even a simple explanation |
| 04:10.41 | Wyzard | st1650: Use the "vmware-package" package |
| 04:10.52 | Wyzard | st1650: It takes the VMware tarball and makes a .deb of it |
| 04:11.00 | Wyzard | st1650: doesn't support the Server 2.0 beta yet though |
| 04:11.03 | nvz | \amethyst: I've even been known to mention flux capacitors to clients when rattling on about what went wrong |
| 04:11.05 | st1650 | No need for beta 2 |
| 04:11.12 | st1650 | 1.0.5 ran fine on my gentoo box |
| 04:11.49 | Wyzard | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:11.52 | Wyzard | oops |
| 04:12.08 | Wyzard | keith4__: It does indeed seem to be for enabling IEC958 as a recording source |
| 04:12.10 | n3kl | st1650: ./vmware-install.pl |
| 04:12.19 | keith4__ | damn |
| 04:12.25 | keith4__ | but it shows up as a playback device! |
| 04:12.29 | DynV | x11 is run from terminal right ? |
| 04:12.35 | Wyzard | keith4__: It's probably both |
| 04:12.51 | Wyzard | keith4__: tab switches between playback and capture devices in textmode alsamixer |
| 04:12.53 | keith4__ | Wyzard: http://office.digiraticonsulting.com/~erekson/pics/alsa3.png |
| 04:13.11 | Wyzard | keith4__: At that screen, press tab |
| 04:13.17 | keith4__ | yah, but in capture mode, it has "----" over it, like it's not available |
| 04:13.30 | Wyzard | keith4: then highlight IEC958 and press spacebar |
| 04:13.42 | keith4__ | damn |
| 04:13.47 | Wyzard | You'll see "CAPTUR" in red |
| 04:13.47 | keith4__ | i hate it when you're right ;-) |
| 04:13.49 | Wyzard | Then switch back to the GUI |
| 04:13.52 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:14.15 | Wyzard | I don't know why the other capture sources don't show those red circles though |
| 04:14.34 | AssociateX | k9copy uses 97% of the cpu and then stalls, they sure don' t have much for trouble shooting either |
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| 04:14.44 | keith4__ | is this toggling between output and capture? |
| 04:14.53 | Wyzard | hmm, that's a possibility |
| 04:15.03 | Wyzard | since you probably only have one S/PDIF port |
| 04:15.28 | st16500 | Just tried a default Debian etch i686 install and I get a Waiting for root file system ... on first boot .... |
| 04:15.28 | keith4__ | well, not exactly |
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| 04:15.47 | keith4__ | there's a coax digital and an optical digital |
| 04:15.50 | nvz | I just learned about k9copy a few weeks ago from my cousin who just installed debian for the first time 3 days earlier.. heh |
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| 04:15.57 | keith4__ | it's not clear if they're in or out, or both |
| 04:15.57 | nvz | that program is pretty slick |
| 04:16.06 | nvz | I made a few vcds with it |
| 04:16.14 | Wyzard | hmm, dunno then |
| 04:16.23 | Wyzard | Experiment and find out, I guess :-) |
| 04:16.51 | nvz | I think its funny I have been using debian for like 7-8 years and people I install for the first time come to me showing me debian programs I've never seen |
| 04:17.03 | st16500 | Just tried a default Debian etch i686 install and I get a Waiting for root file system ... on first boot .... |
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| 04:17.23 | Wyzard | goes to bed, needing to wake up in 4 hours |
| 04:17.25 | nvz | and I actually browse through the packages periodically.. the damn repos just keep doubling in size like every two years |
| 04:17.26 | \amethyst | nvz: lots of new users go through the package list and install everything that sounds intereting :) |
| 04:17.55 | \amethyst | I'm not a new user and I still do the same---I'm just more careful about packages with init scripts etc |
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| 04:18.56 | nvz | \amethyst: I don't like to just install a bunch of crap all at once cause then I gotta go through with deborphan and crap to pull out all the damn extra cruft it leaves behind if I decide I don't need it |
| 04:19.26 | nvz | I don't ever use aptitude.. so.. hehe |
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| 04:19.37 | \amethyst | I more or less only use aptitude |
| 04:19.39 | nvz | I use apt or synaptic |
| 04:20.36 | nvz | aotitude will keep things under control if you use it exclusivly |
| 04:20.39 | \amethyst | I use the TUI for setting selections to resolve conflicts and go through transitions, then the CLI for actually applying them |
| 04:21.00 | \amethyst | the only commands I use apt-get for is build-deps and source |
| 04:21.04 | \amethyst | s/is/are/ |
| 04:21.13 | nvz | I just find it a hassle for most things its slower about everything cause all the magic it does is usually overkill |
| 04:21.36 | nvz | there is a significant time difference between doing apt-get install foo and aptitude install foo |
| 04:21.49 | nvz | it reads the package lists before and after for one thing |
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| 04:22.30 | \amethyst | yeah, the speed is the biggest problem, especially with 7000 packages installed :) |
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| 04:22.56 | Plantain_ | Hey, I'm trying to find a stable remote disk mounting solution. I'm currently using sshfs to mount the disk of another server, but it's slow and crashes several times a day. Is there any other simple way of mounting a whole remote disk? |
| 04:23.18 | nvz | speed and the fact I don't really like the way the UI works in interactive mode is why I avoid it.. then I come crawling back crying when I screw shit up cause nothing works like aptitude.. heh |
| 04:23.21 | \amethyst | Plantain_: NFS over a VPN? |
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| 04:24.09 | nvz | will probably timeout now since he took the pringles can to get a snack |
| 04:24.10 | azote | is possible for raid5 to have disk who dont have same size ? |
| 04:24.19 | Plantain_ | I'd rather if there was a more bundled solution, I don't really want to setup a VPN for this |
| 04:24.27 | nvz | I put a coffee cup in its place, but its not as tall as the pringles can |
| 04:25.15 | msan | I've got Debian/Lenny installed. I've got Xorg installed. Regardless of whether I use XDM/GDM/startx, everytime I try to quit out of my window manager (vtwm, sometimes sawfish), X will freeze up and lock up the whole keyboard and everything. |
| 04:25.49 | \amethyst | msan: does it happen when you restart the Window manager, or only when the X session is ending? |
| 04:26.13 | nvz | the AP I am on is like 350ft away with a damn metal trailor and a house or two in the way so the higher I can get my damn dish the better my signal.. heh |
| 04:26.39 | \amethyst | msan: also, what video card and driver? |
| 04:26.55 | msan | when I do a "quit" on the window manager, not when I do a "refresh" on it. ATI flgrx is the video card/driver. |
| 04:27.37 | woohooo | Hi guys, i'm in the middle of dpkg_reconfigure xserver_xorg. After correctly setting the nvidia module, card specs, and bypassing that kernel framebuffer, the process seems to have stalled. All I can see is the blue screen that's default for dpkg_reconfigure |
| 04:27.51 | woohooo | is it possible that dpkg_reconfigure is scanning for monitor specs? |
| 04:27.52 | n3kl | Anyone have experience with ddwrt? |
| 04:28.01 | woohooo | it's been at it for over a minute now |
| 04:28.15 | nvz | woohooo: its possible its done and the screen is just still blue |
| 04:28.37 | nvz | woohooo: you may be able to hit enter or type reset if its done |
| 04:29.01 | \amethyst | msan: hm, I've seen fglrx lock up sometimes when switching from X to the console, but not every time |
| 04:29.10 | sandman | Question: If there's a exploit for a software named "abc", even if it's not installed on my system, couldn't a user just download the source for it, ./configure && make it (not make install), run the bin and then proceed to exploit it? |
| 04:29.11 | nvz | woohooo: ctrl+l redraws the terminal |
| 04:29.16 | woohooo | nvz: i'm going through ps output atm. Also, do you know the command to list all files on the filesystem currently being used? |
| 04:29.26 | valdyn | sandman: no |
| 04:29.32 | woohooo | nvz: no, that didn't work |
| 04:29.33 | sandman | valdyn: Needs root perms, right? |
| 04:29.40 | sandman | Or setuid |
| 04:29.44 | valdyn | sandman: he can only exploit himself |
| 04:29.48 | sandman | Ah |
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| 04:29.58 | valdyn | sandman: unless he has root, but then he doesnt need to exploit anything |
| 04:30.05 | msan | \amethyst: this is consistent. happens every time. |
| 04:30.09 | \amethyst | msan: maybe see if using the free ati driver fixes the problem? If so, I'd say try #ati or their forums |
| 04:30.13 | nvz | woohooo: ctrl+c or ctrl+z maybe or kill it and try again |
| 04:30.15 | sandman | So basically, if I'm going to install and use unsafe software, I should put it under another user account |
| 04:30.16 | gregorovius | has anyone used arch linux & debian unstable? as a bleeding-edge distro, what did you prefer? |
| 04:30.34 | msan | \amethyst: free ati driver ? there is one ? |
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| 04:30.50 | woohooo | nvz: nope, it's not receiving any input |
| 04:30.51 | valdyn | sandman: which software are you talking about? |
| 04:30.54 | nvz | gregorovius: debian unstable doesnt really bleed much |
| 04:31.07 | \amethyst | msan: old and non-3D-accelerated, but yes |
| 04:31.17 | woohooo | nvz: it appears to be active according to ps |
| 04:31.17 | sandman | valdyn: Well, just generally |
| 04:31.22 | gregorovius | nvz, doesn't it have the latest version of everything? |
| 04:31.29 | nvz | gregorovius: debian isn't about bleeding edge, its about freedom, multi-arch stability..etc |
| 04:31.37 | msan | \amethyst: and where does one get this ? |
| 04:31.42 | \amethyst | msan: package xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 04:31.43 | nvz | gregorovius: the latest of any debian, yes |
| 04:31.49 | msan | thanks |
| 04:31.51 | sandman | valdyn: Like if I'm going to be compiling software for which the security I'm uncertain, I ought to do it as a non-root user, and also a user that I don't typically use. |
| 04:31.53 | nvz | gregorovius: not nessicarily the latest upstream stuff |
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| 04:32.03 | \amethyst | msan: you'll need to reconfigure X to use the driver ati or radeon instead of fglrx |
| 04:32.19 | gregorovius | nvz, I thought packages in unstable would follow upstream pretty closely |
| 04:32.23 | valdyn | sandman: yes |
| 04:32.25 | \amethyst | sandman: or better yet inside a virtual machine :) |
| 04:32.30 | YeTr2 | dpkg decided to start segfaulting half way through etch -> lenny, anyone have any useful suggestions on how to correct this? |
| 04:32.35 | \amethyst | or as a non-root user inside a chroot anyway |
| 04:32.37 | sandman | \amethyst: What would use suggest, for debian etch? |
| 04:32.41 | sandman | qemu? Bochs? |
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| 04:32.43 | nvz | gregorovius: depends on how bad your SNS is |
| 04:33.34 | \amethyst | sandman: too much speed penalty there, unless you use the kqemu modules as well |
| 04:33.36 | gregorovius | Sympathetic nervous system? Serbian People's Party? |
| 04:33.39 | nvz | !SNS |
| 04:34.01 | nvz | shiny new software syndrome |
| 04:34.08 | gregorovius | ah :) |
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| 04:34.53 | gregorovius | well, mine's pretty bad... I only run very few progs from cvs/svn/git, though |
| 04:35.20 | nvz | I choose and recommend debian because its a good stable os that offeres the user freedom do do what that want, and the support is great, and it has lots of mature, stable, and well supported packages available that all fit under the DFSG |
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| 04:35.27 | lsemple | how can I find out what type of wifi card I have ?? |
| 04:36.03 | nvz | gregorovius: if the kinds of things mentioned in the Social Contract, and Why Debian documents don't appeal to you, then debian probably isn't for you |
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| 04:36.39 | nvz | gregorovius: http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian and http://www.debian.org/social_contract iirc. |
| 04:37.33 | gregorovius | well, I like debian, and I have used it in the past |
| 04:37.35 | nvz | gregorovius: you'd just be a pain in or asses whining about code we haven't even got to yet when we got 18,000 other packages that we're busy maintaining |
| 04:37.45 | nvz | if your sns is that bad.. heh |
| 04:37.54 | gregorovius | I could always run experimental ^^ |
| 04:38.00 | nvz | sns isn't mentioned anywhere in the social contract or why debian |
| 04:38.03 | \amethyst | no, you couldn't |
| 04:38.07 | nvz | experimental isn't a distro |
| 04:38.19 | \amethyst | you could run unstable with some packages from experimental |
| 04:38.28 | nvz | its just some extra bloody crap for people in your condition to play with |
| 04:38.46 | \amethyst | gregorovius: you could learn to make packages yourself |
| 04:39.05 | \amethyst | gregorovius: it's not really hard if you're making them for purely personal use |
| 04:39.16 | gregorovius | I know how to build packages... I think it's a bother to do that every time something new is out |
| 04:40.03 | sandman | \amethyst: Well, there's virtualbox I suppose. |
| 04:41.07 | \amethyst | sandman: or xen or kvm |
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| 04:41.17 | sandman | \amethyst: I assume xen is the fastest, with kvm a close second? |
| 04:41.18 | \amethyst | sandman: or qemu + kqemu for that matter |
| 04:41.25 | SerajewelKS | OT, but where would "SSL negotiation failed: SSL error: parse tlsext" errors be coming from during an svnsync? |
| 04:41.53 | sandman | I've actually never run Xen before. Is it complex? |
| 04:41.53 | nvz | dpkg, hello |
| 04:41.54 | dpkg | que tal |
| 04:42.05 | nvz | ah, I thought you were mia |
| 04:42.06 | sander_ | Hi.. I just mplayer: got error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.54 ..after upgrading from etch to lenny |
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| 04:42.55 | sandman | Well, I'll look into it. Thanks. |
| 04:43.04 | sander_ | libx264-56 to libx264-59 is possible to install but not .54 |
| 04:43.08 | nvz | dpkg: don't worry old pal, I would have sent a search party... of blind mice |
| 04:43.10 | \amethyst | sandman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines |
| 04:43.28 | Plantain_ | Are there really any showstoppers in lenny? I'm considering upgrading a server to it because many of the packages in etch are out of date |
| 04:43.57 | nvz | Plantain_: depends on what you run and whats out of date |
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| 04:44.56 | nvz | Plantain_: look and compare for yourself.. easy way to do that is to install like apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges then change your sources list to lenny and apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade and see what bugs/changelogs spit out |
| 04:45.35 | nvz | Plantain_: sometimes though the latest versions are called something different |
| 04:46.00 | sandman | \amethyst: I actually just finished reading that when you mentioned it lol =) |
| 04:46.09 | nvz | Plantain_: like in etch apache and python is apache 1.3 and python 2.4 but there are apache2 and python2.5 packages in etch |
| 04:46.09 | sandman | Good we're on the page =) |
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| 04:46.21 | sander_ | Anyone know where I find mplayer for lenny? |
| 04:46.39 | sander_ | I heard there was an official one? |
| 04:46.46 | SerajewelKS | sander_: aptitude install mplayer |
| 04:47.05 | sander_ | Reinstallation of mplayer is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 04:47.30 | sander_ | deb http://ftp.no.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free <-- my line |
| 04:47.32 | SerajewelKS | aptitude update && aptitude install mplayer |
| 04:48.08 | \amethyst | you need security too |
| 04:48.13 | sander_ | I know those commands.. first thing I did.. dosnt work. |
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| 04:48.34 | \amethyst | !testing security |
| 04:48.34 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 04:48.54 | \amethyst | the current version of mplayer in lenny is a security update |
| 04:49.06 | \amethyst | (except on armel) |
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| 04:50.23 | Plantain_ | Is it possible to install single packages from lenny? |
| 04:50.35 | SerajewelKS | Plantain_: possible? yes. smart? no. |
| 04:50.50 | sander_ | \amethyst, still cant find mplayer |
| 04:50.54 | \amethyst | Plantain_: sometimes, but often not because of the change in libc (and other dependency) versions |
| 04:50.54 | nvz | Plantain_: yes, you can actually make a lenny chroot |
| 04:51.04 | \amethyst | sander_: did you update ? |
| 04:51.07 | sander_ | yep |
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| 04:51.12 | Plantain_ | Because I need sshfs 2.0 (fixes the bugs I've been hitting), but there's no supported OpenVZ kernels for lenny :/ |
| 04:51.20 | nvz | Plantain_: debootstrap lenny in a chroot and use schroot to run them is safest |
| 04:51.28 | \amethyst | sander_: what does apt-cache policy mplayer say? |
| 04:52.07 | sander_ | 1.0~rc2-8+lenny1 0: 500 http://security.debian.org lenny/updates/main Packages |
| 04:52.16 | sander_ | 1.0~rc2-8 0: 500 http://ftp.no.debian.org lenny/main Packages |
| 04:52.33 | sander_ | Installed: 1:1.0.rc2svn20071207-0.3 Candidate: 1:1.0.rc2svn20071207-0.3 |
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| 04:52.48 | msan | sander_: add "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main" to your sources.list and then do the update and install |
| 04:53.03 | SerajewelKS | msan: that's not lenny, that's debian-multimedia |
| 04:54.09 | msan | true, but it will get him the mplayer that he wants. |
| 04:54.20 | \amethyst | err |
| 04:54.54 | sander_ | !unstable |
| 04:54.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>. |
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| 04:55.18 | \amethyst | msan: he already has the debian-multimedia version |
| 04:55.30 | sander_ | Yeah.. I just removed it temp |
| 04:55.43 | sander_ | and thats the one who dosnt work |
| 04:55.50 | sander_ | Thats why I'm trying to get the official one |
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| 04:55.59 | msan | oh ! that's what I get for jumping in the middle. |
| 04:56.20 | \amethyst | sander_: try apt-get install 'mplayer=1.0~rc2-8+lenny1' |
| 04:56.34 | ootput | anyone experiencing problems with htop in lenny atm? I'm unable to scroll through the list with arrow keys nor page up/down |
| 04:56.44 | sander_ | \amethyst, do I want to downgrade mplayer? |
| 04:56.47 | sander_ | I guess |
| 04:57.01 | \amethyst | sander_: since d-mm sets higher package versions, yes |
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| 04:57.38 | \amethyst | sander_: maybe purge the old one first |
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| 04:59.53 | sander_ | \amethyst, ok.. it worked. but still the same error. |
| 05:00.13 | \amethyst | sander_: what is the error, anyway? |
| 05:00.22 | sander_ | \amethyst, Guess I need to do the same thing with some other packages too |
| 05:00.34 | sander_ | mplayer: got error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.54 |
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| 05:04.51 | neoalex | hi, does anyone know how to configure webmin to monitor nut |
| 05:05.09 | sander_ | There should be a way to list all packages which exist in the debian-multimedia.org and in the official mirror |
| 05:05.32 | sander_ | So I can go back to use the official ones |
| 05:05.45 | nvz | neoalex: hope you got a flame guard on your monitor.. cause mentioning wembin is a good way to get flamed.. heh |
| 05:06.12 | nvz | grow up and use ssh like a big boy |
| 05:06.19 | SerajewelKS | webmin is gay and so are you! |
| 05:06.23 | SerajewelKS | ducks |
| 05:06.32 | nvz | !gay |
| 05:06.33 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 05:06.59 | SerajewelKS | i was just about to follow up with a seinfeld reference but nevermind |
| 05:07.03 | SerajewelKS | goes back to coding |
| 05:07.38 | neoalex | I wouldn't use webmin for any real administration but it's nice to whip out my pocket pc and check the status of my server fast, and yes I even have putty on the pocketpc but it's tiny hard to read |
| 05:07.43 | nvz | goes back to scratching his ass |
| 05:08.34 | nvz | neoalex: I hear that.. I never could find a compromize between enough chars on my screen and still able to read them.. heh |
| 05:08.38 | sander_ | How can I list all packages from a given mirror? |
| 05:08.43 | Phase | Where would I stick an image file so it shows up in the emblems menu? (debian/gnome) |
| 05:08.46 | sander_ | Hm.. I guess I know how. |
| 05:09.06 | nvz | neoalex: I only have WM2003 though I cant make putty go landscape.. in newer windows you can landscape anything |
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| 05:09.26 | neoalex | even landscape doesn't help believe me still tiny |
| 05:10.04 | neoalex | I have WM5 on a wizard and it landscapes plus full keyboard but it's still damn awkward |
| 05:10.06 | SerajewelKS | neoalex: surely there is a mechanism for changing the font size? |
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| 05:10.36 | nvz | neoalex: I have a toshiba e750 its got a decent screen on it, I can read it but not irc cause I can't get enough lines at a decent font |
| 05:10.38 | neoalex | SerajewelKS: if I do that, I have to scroll a lot to read stuff |
| 05:11.11 | nvz | SerajewelKS: there is, but fonts on a 240x320 screen are shitty |
| 05:11.15 | neoalex | nvz: youp, exactly |
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| 05:11.21 | n3kl | What are typical hard drive tempratures for everyone else? |
| 05:11.38 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I use putty on my pocket pc all the time, but it is pretty small |
| 05:12.10 | SerajewelKS | neoalex, nvz: haha you guys are wimps, i had a 320x320 Tungsten E and i used to chat here with putty+screen all the time :) |
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| 05:12.20 | SerajewelKS | damn fun i might add |
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| 05:12.24 | neoalex | ok, if webmin is so "fabulous" is there any other web based interface to show me status of stuff like running processes cpu usage, memory usage, temperatures, and finally nut; kinda like a web based conky |
| 05:12.46 | nvz | but I've gone to jobs and never touched the equipment.. walked in got on the network, ssh'd in with putty from the pocket pc, fixed the problem and walked out.. and people ask me if I need them to get out of their seat to use there computer, and I'm like "its fixed" |
| 05:13.25 | BW^- | guys, i get "too many files" error on a HTTPD when i launch 50 000 connections to it. i think this is due to the system configuration. how do i increase the amount of allowed files for an app ? |
| 05:13.57 | SerajewelKS | can someone explain wtf a "SSL error: parse tlsext" is? |
| 05:14.01 | \amethyst | BW^-: what was the exact error? |
| 05:14.01 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i wish i still had it |
| 05:14.10 | SerajewelKS | nvz: well i do, but i sat on it and cracked the screen :( |
| 05:14.37 | BW^- | \amethyst: my Gambit Scheme app exits with "ERROR IN http#accept-connections -- Too many open files" error |
| 05:14.40 | BW^- | even when i run it as root. |
| 05:14.49 | nvz | SerajewelKS: heh, that sucks.. I've dropped mine a few times some of the metal casing is comming off.. you just see the black plastic under |
| 05:15.08 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I'd like to sell this one and get one with a newer windows already on it. |
| 05:15.25 | SerajewelKS | wait it wasn't an E |
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| 05:15.45 | nvz | I only paid $100 for it, and I got two chargers, a cradle, targus keyboard that clips on .. |
| 05:15.51 | nvz | got it on ebay |
| 05:15.58 | SerajewelKS | nvz: if i were to get a new handheld (my T doesn't have wifi) would you recommend a palm or a ppc, keeping in mind i'd be syncing it with debian? |
| 05:16.26 | nvz | I'd like to get $100 back out of it but since I've abused it a little I'd probably just have to settle for whatever someone would give for it |
| 05:16.56 | SerajewelKS | nvz: what are the specs, and do you have paypal? :) |
| 05:17.06 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I've not use a palm since the old monochrome days and this is my first PPC |
| 05:17.13 | \amethyst | BW^-: okay, so that's the per-app open limit |
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| 05:17.37 | \amethyst | BW^-: is this running as root or as another user? |
| 05:17.49 | SerajewelKS | nvz: ah, i'm a bit of a palm enthusiast. written a few apps and i know more about dragonball assembly than a sane person does |
| 05:17.50 | nvz | SerajewelKS: its an intel xscale 400mhz, has a total of 96mb built in and a CF and SD slot, I lost the stylus.. heh.. |
| 05:17.50 | neoalex | nvz: so what do you want to get, cause I want to change this one too |
| 05:17.53 | BW^- | \amethyst: i would really like to run it as a user, but actually i ran it as root now. |
| 05:18.22 | nvz | SerajewelKS: WM2003 is on it with pocket putty, skype, pocket python.. all kinds of crap |
| 05:18.37 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I use it like a phone with skype.. |
| 05:18.56 | \amethyst | BW^-: you need to do ulimit -n somebignumber before becoming the user |
| 05:18.59 | nvz | SerajewelKS: gotta hold it upside down cause the mic is on the top and the speaker is on the bottom.. heh |
| 05:19.06 | SerajewelKS | nvz: nice |
| 05:19.15 | \amethyst | BW^-: you can set that in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 05:19.17 | neoalex | I like SJPhone connected to my asterisk (really cool) then again mine is a cell phone too anyway |
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| 05:19.28 | SerajewelKS | nvz: btw it was a C not an E |
| 05:20.08 | \amethyst | BW^-: something like theuser hard nofile 32768 |
| 05:20.17 | SerajewelKS | nvz: you have pictures of your device? |
| 05:20.17 | \amethyst | BW^-: (the default is 1024) |
| 05:20.34 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I think it could use a new battery and even before I dropped it it could use maybe being taken apart and make sure its all snapped together right.. the case is plastic but has a thin metal glued over it and a corner piece by the battery lock came loose and it snapped off after awhile trying to get it in and out of my pocket |
| 05:20.42 | BW^- | \amethyst: would there be a prob if i set it to 100 000 ? |
| 05:20.50 | SerajewelKS | nvz: hmm |
| 05:20.54 | nvz | SerajewelKS: the accessories are all easy to find online really cheap |
| 05:21.11 | BW^- | \amethyst: how do i effectuate changes of this file to the system? |
| 05:21.11 | SerajewelKS | nvz: well if you were going for an economy type that had wifi and decent ram, used being ok, what would you spring for? |
| 05:21.12 | nvz | SerajewelKS: the battery in it is an OEM 1200mAh |
| 05:21.32 | SerajewelKS | nvz: it sounds ok but physical wear bothers me a bit |
| 05:21.34 | nvz | SerajewelKS: they sell huge ones for about the same price.. around US$25 |
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| 05:21.57 | SerajewelKS | my current palm has something under the screen, it's not a dead pixel but a fleck of something that glows bright white |
| 05:22.01 | SerajewelKS | bothers the shit out of me |
| 05:22.16 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yeah well when I got the thing it wouldn't even boot just kept turning on to a white screen.. I had figure out all the reset sequences and stuff |
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| 05:22.32 | \amethyst | BW^-: they take effect the next time the user logs in through a mechanism that uses pam_limits.so |
| 05:22.49 | \amethyst | BW^-: how will the program be run? |
| 05:23.18 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I think there may be 2 dead pixels on this. there is one that I know looks kinda blue on a black screen but I'm not sure about the other one cause its right where the start button always is and I can't tell if its suppose to be orange there or not |
| 05:23.22 | BW^- | \amethyst: ah cool! i'm executing it from the console right now, so i'll just re-login. |
| 05:23.51 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I'd love to get a few more of these if I could figure out how to get a newer windows to put on it |
| 05:24.30 | nvz | SerajewelKS: cause they have both SD and CF and accessories for them are cheap. they have a little adapter that goes on the bottom that gives you usb and vga |
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| 05:24.35 | \amethyst | BW^-: there is also a systemwide limit |
| 05:24.53 | SerajewelKS | nvz: what model? |
| 05:25.06 | nvz | SerajewelKS: WM2003 does a good bit, but there are lots of things it doesn't work with too. |
| 05:25.16 | BW^- | \amethyst: aha. what's it? how change? |
| 05:25.29 | nvz | it does enough for me to use it as an mp3 player, phone, and ssh terminal |
| 05:25.32 | \amethyst | BW^-: /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 05:25.41 | nvz | SerajewelKS: e750, Toshiba |
| 05:26.18 | \amethyst | BW^-: to make changes permanent across reboots, add something like fs.file-max = 262144 to /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 05:26.44 | SerajewelKS | nvz: no keyboard? :) |
| 05:26.46 | \amethyst | BW^-: default, at least here, is about 100_000 files |
| 05:26.47 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I just think the battery may not be holding as good a charge cause it was sitting around for a long time before I got it |
| 05:26.48 | SerajewelKS | :( rather |
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| 05:27.39 | lsemple | how can I find out the make/model of the wifi network card ? |
| 05:27.43 | nvz | SerajewelKS: targus keyboard that is the same width as the computer that pushes onto the bottom and has another charger with it.. so I have one charger to go with the cradle and an extra on to plug in with the keyboard or whatever |
| 05:27.52 | SerajewelKS | ah |
| 05:27.56 | SerajewelKS | i have a keyboard for my palm too |
| 05:27.59 | nvz | the keyboard doesn't need a charger, it can just charge the computer though |
| 05:28.10 | nvz | its not like one you have to sit it down to use either |
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| 05:28.40 | nvz | I wouldn't be using it to ssh if I didn't have a keyboard |
| 05:29.34 | dondelelcaro | nvz: you could have a telepathy interface |
| 05:29.51 | n3kl | lsemple: other than looking at it physically? |
| 05:30.02 | lsemple | yeah |
| 05:30.14 | n3kl | lsemple: try lspci |
| 05:30.21 | n3kl | lsemple: or another fav, lshw |
| 05:30.59 | n3kl | ifconfig telepath0 up |
| 05:31.06 | SerajewelKS | nvz: really all i want is wifi |
| 05:31.16 | SerajewelKS | nvz: though the dead pixel and dying battery thing worry me a bit |
| 05:31.34 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yeah it has wifi, just no bluetooth, you'd have to get a CF adapter for that |
| 05:31.43 | n3kl | SerajewelKS: what kind of device? |
| 05:31.51 | nvz | SerajewelKS: battery lasts about 4 hours now that I've been charging/discharging it regularly |
| 05:31.55 | n3kl | I've missed the last hour |
| 05:31.56 | SerajewelKS | n3kl: palm or ppc |
| 05:32.04 | n3kl | ah |
| 05:32.12 | SerajewelKS | nvz: my palm has built-in bluetooth only |
| 05:32.20 | SerajewelKS | nvz: quite a trick setting linux up for that |
| 05:32.25 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I'm just saying for good long life you wanna get like a 5400mAh battery not this old 1200 one that the guy before me had sitting around not being used for months |
| 05:32.45 | n3kl | SerajewelKS: bluetooth isn't too bad |
| 05:32.47 | nvz | SerajewelKS: when I first got it, it kept dying at 42% |
| 05:33.02 | SerajewelKS | nvz: four hours powered on? |
| 05:33.07 | nvz | SerajewelKS: now it discharges to 0, but it will only play an mp3 till about 15% or so |
| 05:33.19 | SerajewelKS | nvz: sounds like my laptop, except now my laptop lasts 2 seconds on battery. a brand new battery |
| 05:33.21 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yeah |
| 05:33.23 | BW^- | \amethyst: strangely the problem persists. i increased the limit to 220 000 files for the user, and to 220 000 in that procfs-file, then re-logged in for the user. |
| 05:33.40 | SerajewelKS | n3kl: it's not bad except that practically nobody has bluetooth WAPs |
| 05:33.45 | BW^- | \amethyst: then re-launched the server software, and then the HTTP flood software, now configured to launch max 100 000 connections simultaneously. |
| 05:33.55 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I usually throttle the cpu to 200mhz and turn the backlight off when I'm just walking around using it as an mp3 player, and I have the wifi off too |
| 05:34.00 | n3kl | SerajewelKS: ah |
| 05:34.07 | nvz | SerajewelKS: there are lots of ways to make it last a good 4 hours or so |
| 05:34.17 | BW^- | \amethyst: the server crashes after 1028 connections I think. |
| 05:34.18 | n3kl | nvz: does having a pda help you? |
| 05:34.30 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i turn off my backlight too, when the light is high enough |
| 05:34.36 | SerajewelKS | nvz: but i'd be using wifi quite a bit |
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| 05:34.47 | nvz | SerajewelKS: but with a big battery you could easily be running it with wifi and full brightness and full cpu all day long |
| 05:34.50 | BW^- | woops see the error, i wrote strangely into security file. |
| 05:34.55 | SerajewelKS | nvz: hmm |
| 05:34.59 | nvz | and the battry is only gonna run you like USD $30 |
| 05:35.19 | SerajewelKS | nvz: you wanna take some pics and send them my way? and maybe move to /msg? |
| 05:35.49 | nvz | SerajewelKS: If I can get 2-4hrs out of 1200mAh and they sell ones that are like 5400mAh thats gotta be like 8-10hrs |
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| 05:36.13 | nvz | SerajewelKS: the big battery though goes the whole length of the PDA and clips into two slots on the back |
| 05:36.18 | SerajewelKS | nvz: pics of the accessories would be neat too |
| 05:36.56 | nvz | SerajewelKS: keyboard is a targus noteworthy I found one on google images on my model pda http://www.ixbt.com/short/2k2-12/targus123.jpg |
| 05:37.02 | SerajewelKS | nvz: this all assumes that you actually do want to sell it though (it sounded like you did) |
| 05:37.55 | YeTr2 | There is a screen during the setup of debian that selects packages to install based on type, file server, web server, desktop, etc. is there a way to get back to that screen after the machine have been installed? |
| 05:38.27 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I love the thing and the accessories are still available for it really cheap, but I do want to try out different ones because this was my first. I;m looking to pay a little more than $100 and maybe get a Dell Axim or something. |
| 05:38.49 | nvz | SerajewelKS: they make a little dongle like thing that plugs into the charger port and takes like 4 AA batteries |
| 05:39.03 | nvz | which was an interesting way to extend battery life.. |
| 05:39.54 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I honestly never even tried syncing it with debian since I had it cause I've had this vista laptop and I just use the windows active sync crap |
| 05:39.58 | SerajewelKS | a site that lists the newer ppcs comparing features would be nice |
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| 05:41.05 | nvz | honestly from my usage I think about 400mhz-625mhz xscale is the way to go, and 64mb ram is plenty for most anything as long as you have sd and cf to fall back on.. the main issue is the OS version |
| 05:41.27 | nvz | newer windows have more support for web content, and applications |
| 05:41.55 | nvz | I can play nintendo games and stuff on this one, but it won't run like a 3d game |
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| 05:42.21 | SerajewelKS | i'd like to get a fairly recent OS without paying more than a hundred or so |
| 05:42.28 | nvz | and the one key difference is wm2003 doesnt allow you to rotate the screen.. some apps will do it anyways like my game emulatoprs |
| 05:42.45 | nvz | I have no idea how installing or buying a new os on a ppc works |
| 05:42.53 | sander_ | Now I've removed all packages from any non official mirror.. and mplayer still dosnt work. |
| 05:42.59 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i'd guess you can't |
| 05:43.07 | nvz | this was my first one, and I want a new one ONLY because I don't know how to change the OS |
| 05:43.08 | sander_ | mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.54: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 05:43.28 | sander_ | Happend after I upgraded to lenny |
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| 05:44.01 | nvz | I may get a 625mhz instead but i don't think that will be a key selling point when I get another one cause I run this 400mhz at half speed most of the time and its plenty fast enough |
| 05:45.07 | nvz | when using wifi and IE or multitasking I'd leave it at 400mhz though or it will get reall sluggish.. but I mostly use it for skype and media player and they play nice at 200mhz |
| 05:46.20 | sander_ | Cant be possible.. I had an old mplayer laying around in /usr/local/bin ! |
| 05:47.59 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I'd take some pictures though of all the stuff I got a Cannon Powershot here, but I'm thinking about going to bed right now.. I don't have any way to get the pictures online but to put the card in the pocket pc and sync em and all that right now.. heh so I'd rather do it in the day time |
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| 05:49.51 | SerajewelKS | nvz: k |
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| 05:52.40 | nvz | I think its a good starter ppc but really its just old.. they've I'm sure made advancements that make the wireless use less power and connect to more things, and new feature in the os. this is your $100 or less 4-5 years old category ppc. if you spend another hundred you get into wm2005 and an extra 200mhz or so maybe |
| 05:52.51 | ootput | any of you using mpc in lenny in amd64? |
| 05:53.07 | nvz | I'd like to just keep getting different ones and maybe write some reviews |
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| 05:53.49 | nvz | I wish this one was just newer.. cause its not all bulky or awkward like some of the ipaqs or dells and stuff they have out there |
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| 05:54.37 | nvz | the main reason I haven't traded up for a Dell Axim X series yet is because I'm not able to determine if its an upgrade really.. heh |
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| 05:54.57 | nvz | newer windows, faster processor.. but that doesnt mean it doesn't suck |
| 05:55.06 | azote | anyone can tell if its possible to make raid with mdadm with NFS dir ?? |
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| 05:55.49 | Phase | When you `apt-get install compiz`, is there a GUI management panel somewhere? |
| 05:55.54 | BW^- | \amethyst: what on earth! now server app terminates with segmentation fault instead (!) |
| 05:56.54 | nvz | wanders off to let people talk about debian |
| 05:56.55 | azote | i have NFS server with with 1 disk and 1 disk on my client too and i want to do raid5 with those two disk on my nfs client pc. It's possible ?? |
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| 05:58.31 | SerajewelKS | nvz: for $300 you can get a pharos 535e, wifi and gps |
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| 05:59.21 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I was thinking a gps and maybe an ethernet card would be good accessories for my toshiba |
| 05:59.29 | nvz | SerajewelKS: they sell em in cf cards |
| 05:59.43 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I just wasn't sure about adding hardware either |
| 05:59.44 | Phase | When you `apt-get install compiz`, is there a GUI management panel somewhere? |
| 06:00.11 | Ryan52 | I repartitioned /dev/hde with cfdisk and created a 2nd patition and yet /dev/hde2 does not exist. How can I make it re-read the partition table? |
| 06:00.18 | nvz | SerajewelKS: I mean windows mobile doesn't seem to be much of an os.. so idk if you can just throw any hardware on it and it knows what to do with it. heh |
| 06:00.31 | SerajewelKS | nvz: bet you palmos is wores |
| 06:00.32 | ootput | anyone know of a media player similar to mplayer whose codecs are compiled in 64bit - avoiding the 32bit chroot environments that are usually needed? |
| 06:00.34 | SerajewelKS | worse too |
| 06:00.41 | SerajewelKS | ootput: vlc? |
| 06:01.37 | ootput | SerajewelKS: that doesn't require any other video codec package? |
| 06:01.38 | nvz | SerajewelKS: well I know that WM can do the palmOS grafitti thing and it also has two other methods block, and transcriber which will recognise handwriting and cursive |
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| 06:02.51 | nvz | SerajewelKS: that comes in handy a lot too the notepad.. you got a button on the side that you press and can instantly start recording a voice memo or jotting down notes and it can then recognize them and turn it into text |
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| 06:03.54 | nvz | SerajewelKS: the palm input method takes some learning, but if you know it WM will use it, but you don't have to learn it cause it has normal input methos... which is nice |
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| 06:04.45 | azote | no idea for ma ? |
| 06:04.53 | nvz | my handwriting sucks and I can write just as shitty with either hand, and its worse on a touchpad and the thing knows what I am writing |
| 06:05.11 | SerajewelKS | nvz: heh nice |
| 06:05.19 | nvz | azote: your question sounded confusing I stopped thinking about it |
| 06:05.44 | azote | why confusing ? :D |
| 06:05.47 | nvz | azote: maybe you should try making some sense |
| 06:06.06 | nvz | it seems to me like you leave out words |
| 06:06.09 | simonrvn | translation: try rephrasing |
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| 06:06.25 | nvz | is english not your native language or are you being charged by the letter? |
| 06:06.35 | azote | im french |
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| 06:07.00 | nvz | well maybe if you speak french you will make more sense |
| 06:07.14 | simonrvn | azote: chemistry fan/researcher/student? |
| 06:07.16 | sanmarcos | how can I find out what service is running on port 587 |
| 06:07.29 | simonrvn | netstat like all the good kids |
| 06:07.47 | azote | not really simonrvn |
| 06:07.47 | sanmarcos | netstat and what? |
| 06:07.55 | SerajewelKS | samiam: netstat -tnlp |
| 06:07.59 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: ^^^ |
| 06:08.01 | SerajewelKS | samiam: whoops |
| 06:08.11 | simonrvn | netstat and man in front ;) |
| 06:08.22 | sanmarcos | ok |
| 06:08.27 | simonrvn | i like -pluant |
| 06:08.34 | Phase | Can I install something that may be in the unstable branch while keeping stable? |
| 06:08.39 | simonrvn | no |
| 06:08.43 | simonrvn | backport |
| 06:09.00 | Phase | already got that, k. |
| 06:09.02 | Phase | thanks |
| 06:09.31 | sanmarcos | why do some mail servers listen on 25 and 587 when TLS/SSL auth can be done on 25? |
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| 06:10.05 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: to support legacy clients? |
| 06:10.48 | sanmarcos | is that fact or guess? |
| 06:11.36 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: guess |
| 06:11.51 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: is there a good reason to not listen on 587? |
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| 06:12.02 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: do you have access to logs that show how many people use that port? |
| 06:12.09 | simonrvn | ssl on 587 is deprecated for smtp, usually nowadays people use tls on 25 |
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| 06:12.20 | sanmarcos | ok, I did not want to open another unused port |
| 06:12.29 | sanmarcos | I just use a home server to relay/access all my email accounts |
| 06:12.43 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: indeed, but i'm sure some clients don't support tls yet or people don't want to upgrade to newer versions that do |
| 06:12.54 | sanmarcos | so I wont use 587 |
| 06:12.56 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: nod if you're your only user then do whatever works :) |
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| 06:13.06 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: i run my own server too, dunno if it uses 587 or not |
| 06:13.17 | SerajewelKS | i don't think it's open in iptables though |
| 06:13.35 | anom01y | what util do I use to configure my atheros wifi card ? |
| 06:13.57 | sanmarcos | but anyhow I'll enable TLS on my mail clients now, more secure, even though it doesn't really matter |
| 06:16.01 | joltcan | I run tls on 465, its good when you are travelling as most ISPs block port 25 outbound |
| 06:16.08 | joltcan | ...or inbound |
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| 06:16.27 | sanmarcos | ah, nice... |
| 06:16.33 | sanmarcos | do they block 587 to? |
| 06:16.47 | joltcan | No, not really |
| 06:16.51 | joltcan | 465 is ssl btw |
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| 06:16.56 | joltcan | tls I do over 25 |
| 06:17.06 | sanmarcos | aren't they the same thing? |
| 06:17.29 | joltcan | Well, they provide them same thing, the difference is in the handshake |
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| 06:17.49 | yxa | hi i'm really stuck. is there a reason why I can telnet port 22 to a box and it shows its accepting connections but i cant ssh to it? |
| 06:17.51 | sanmarcos | I don't think postfix provides SSL |
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| 06:17.59 | SerajewelKS | yxa: sshd isn't running? |
| 06:18.10 | SerajewelKS | yxa: oh i see what you mean |
| 06:18.22 | SerajewelKS | yxa: possibly, what is the error message from ssh? "can't ssh" isn't descriptive at all. |
| 06:18.44 | yxa | no message. just stucks there |
| 06:18.51 | yxa | sshd is running for sure |
| 06:18.58 | yxa | i can telnet to port 22 |
| 06:19.03 | joltcan | sanmarcos: it can be configured |
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| 06:19.13 | sanmarcos | joltcan: is it better than TLS? |
| 06:19.17 | SerajewelKS | yxa: then something else is lagging. how long will it just sit there? |
| 06:19.26 | sanmarcos | joltcan: in my mail client I just click enable SSL, and it works with my TLS conf? |
| 06:19.29 | sanmarcos | somehow.. |
| 06:19.32 | joltcan | sanmarcos: No, tls is the successor. For the sake of this argument, they are the same |
| 06:19.42 | joltcan | sanmarcos: see them as the same |
| 06:19.49 | sanmarcos | oh ok, so no big deal |
| 06:20.15 | yxa | SerajewelKS i tried 10 mins and gave up |
| 06:20.36 | BW^- | does anyone see why i got sigsegv when opening many file handles? (about 2000 or 20000 per process for two processes) |
| 06:21.22 | SerajewelKS | yxa: do you have root access to this box? (and physical access considering your current issue) |
| 06:21.41 | joltcan | yxa: That boring behavior is usually due to a kernel oops and or hardware error |
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| 06:22.26 | yxa | guys let me show you. small paste coming up |
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| 06:22.56 | SerajewelKS | anyone know what the hell "SSL error: parse tlsext" means? |
| 06:23.40 | yxa | edward@nxaet:~$ telnet 10.0.0.3 22 |
| 06:23.41 | yxa | Trying 10.0.0.3... |
| 06:23.41 | yxa | Connected to 10.0.0.3. |
| 06:23.41 | yxa | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 06:23.41 | yxa | SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.6p1 |
| 06:23.41 | yxa | Protocol mismatch. |
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| 06:24.25 | yxa | sorry |
| 06:25.07 | yxa | but anyone saw that? |
| 06:25.54 | streuner | yes, telnet isn't ssh |
| 06:26.06 | yxa | i know streuner |
| 06:26.27 | yxa | but it at least tells me network wise nothing is blocking it |
| 06:26.36 | SerajewelKS | !tell yxa about pastebin |
| 06:28.29 | joltcan | yxa: exactly, so you probably have a epic fail in the kernel |
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| 06:28.36 | streuner | yxa: remote box? |
| 06:28.44 | yxa | http://pastebin.ca/996801 |
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| 06:29.26 | yxa | streuner i dont have access at the moment since i cant get in |
| 06:29.51 | yxa | is the remote box f*cked? |
| 06:30.20 | joltcan | That is my guess |
| 06:30.21 | streuner | yxa: but 10.0.0.3 22 isn't a remote IP |
| 06:30.24 | joltcan | I usually put kernel.panic = 60 |
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| 06:30.30 | yxa | streuner vpn |
| 06:30.33 | joltcan | in sysctl.conf, so if something dies, the box restarts |
| 06:30.45 | sandman | Does the stock Etch linux image have EVMS patches built into it? |
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| 06:30.52 | SerajewelKS | nvz: still there? |
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| 06:31.09 | streuner | yxa: what happens if you try without vpn to connect? |
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| 06:31.41 | yxa | streuner i cant from here |
| 06:31.50 | sandman | And also, with software RAID, must HDDs be exactly the same size? |
| 06:31.52 | joltcan | Good idea. Can you ssh to some other machine over the vpn? |
| 06:32.01 | braydon | what's the tar command to unpack tar.bz2? |
| 06:32.03 | joltcan | sandman: No |
| 06:32.05 | braydon | i've looked all over |
| 06:32.08 | ootput | are any of you running bitlbee atm? do i need to do anything with the config file prior to initializing bitlbee? |
| 06:32.09 | joltcan | braydon: tar jxvf |
| 06:32.11 | sandman | joltcan: To both questions? |
| 06:32.16 | streuner | braydon: /msg dpkg tar |
| 06:32.33 | joltcan | sandman: The first one I have no idea about, sorry |
| 06:32.46 | ootput | it looks self explanatory (commented,) but the vanilla options don't 'remember' registration and hence i'm unable to identify myself each time i join the server |
| 06:32.50 | braydon | joltcan, streuner, thanks!!! |
| 06:32.50 | sandman | joltcan: Well, it's great news about the RAID question, anyway. How stable is software RAID these days, I wonder |
| 06:33.21 | sandman | ootput: I used to run it, and I'll actually be installing it again soon =) Just got a comp on which I can run *nix |
| 06:33.26 | joltcan | ootput: bitlbee is just configure to say which port and where to store data in the config. The rest is done over the IRC connection |
| 06:33.54 | sandman | ootput: Yeah. Account creation and such is done via chat with the bot |
| 06:34.10 | ootput | joltcan: yes. i've used it before, and I'm trying to import a user.xml i had from a previous working installation |
| 06:34.13 | joltcan | sandman: Lets put it this way: I have had less problems with software raid for the last 8 years, than I have with hardware raid over the same or longer time period |
| 06:34.29 | sandman | joltcan: Opensource at work =) |
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| 06:35.06 | joltcan | ootput: I haven't changed a thing in the config except the port |
| 06:35.11 | sandman | joltcan: I've a question about RAID for ya, then. I have an idea, but I'm uncertain if it'll work |
| 06:35.26 | sanmarcos | is it possible to share a openssl certificate between postfix and dovecot? |
| 06:35.29 | sandman | joltcan: Basically I want to know if RAID1 will have read benefits. |
| 06:35.51 | sandman | joltcan: I know striped has read and write speed benefits, as well as keeping the size of your drives the same |
| 06:35.55 | joltcan | sandman: Yes. Reads are done on chunks from both disks, so there will be some increase |
| 06:36.06 | sandman | joltcan: Why doesn't it interlace reading |
| 06:36.16 | sandman | joltcan: It could, you know. Why not, right? |
| 06:36.26 | sandman | Or does it just not work like that |
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| 06:36.48 | joltcan | sandman: I guess it is actually interlaced, but I'm not 100%, I have not read that much of the source |
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| 06:37.22 | sandman | joltcan: The data should just be duplicated, not interlaced. But I'd figure it'd read interlaced, since it's written twice, why not gain the speed benefit of it while you're at it. |
| 06:37.25 | sandman | Just seems logical to me. |
| 06:37.26 | joltcan | sandman: anyway. You usually want to go with pairs of raid1 disks, and then if you want more space, add additional raid1's and make them seamless with LVM on top. |
| 06:37.44 | joltcan | sandman: Yeah, I think that is how it is done |
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| 06:37.53 | shailender | #join xp |
| 06:38.00 | SerajewelKS | !lose shailender |
| 06:38.00 | dpkg | shailender: You Lose. |
| 06:38.14 | ootput | ARGh |
| 06:38.18 | jim | shailender, /join #xp |
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| 06:38.38 | joltcan | ootput: Dropped a drive on your toe? |
| 06:38.47 | shailender | jim thxs |
| 06:38.50 | shailender | iam new to irc |
| 06:38.56 | jim | dropped your toe into your drive? |
| 06:39.18 | sandman | joltcan: I understand what you're saying, but that seems really inefficient to me. |
| 06:39.36 | jim | shailender: this channel is for asking about debian (www.debian.org) |
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| 06:40.02 | joltcan | sandman: why? It is not ineffective when your raid5 has broken and won't rebuild |
| 06:40.09 | ootput | joltcan: bitlbee is being annoying!! Check this out: @root >> Please register yourself if you want to save your settings ;; Configuration could not be saved! ;; (after registering) Nick is already registered ;; (after identifying) The nick is (probably) not registered |
| 06:40.11 | jim | however I cannot confirm it's also for talking about debian... |
| 06:40.14 | ootput | i mean, WTH |
| 06:40.25 | joltcan | Makes everything easier. Just remove a harddrive (any) and you have files directly accessible |
| 06:40.48 | shailender | @ jim how can i optimise tar files which created ? |
| 06:40.51 | joltcan | ootput: permission error? |
| 06:40.56 | ootput | joltcan: i'm not sure |
| 06:41.16 | joltcan | ootput: have a look in the data dir? :) |
| 06:41.27 | ootput | joltcan: OH! when i imported the data file, i forgot to change user permissions |
| 06:41.35 | ootput | joltcan: makes sense (that I'm a dolt) |
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| 06:42.58 | jim | optimize? these days tar files are used to transport large groups of files, normally in one root dir... what do you want to optimize for? I ask out of curiousity... probably I can't help directly other than to have you check the man page or (better) the info page |
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| 06:44.22 | shailender | actually i prepared a .deb pkg from source file |
| 06:44.27 | shailender | jim |
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| 06:45.07 | shailender | jim,so the file which i prepared is too much length |
| 06:45.14 | shailender | so what to optimize it |
| 06:45.26 | shailender | want* |
| 06:45.33 | jim | the .deb is too big? |
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| 06:45.41 | shailender | jim yes |
| 06:46.01 | jim | shailender, what is its size? |
| 06:46.15 | shailender | 360kb |
| 06:46.29 | jim | what's in it? |
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| 06:46.34 | shailender | actually its a normal C programs |
| 06:46.52 | shailender | which displays some simple msg. |
| 06:47.01 | jim | ohh, like a hello |
| 06:47.03 | jim | ? |
| 06:47.06 | shailender | ya |
| 06:47.17 | jim | hmm |
| 06:47.43 | jim | that's big for a hello... |
| 06:48.07 | jim | but... what is the size of the executable when the package is installed? |
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| 06:48.39 | shailender | how shuld i chek it? |
| 06:49.24 | jim | oh, btw, let's get one part out of the way... I believe the tarball in the package can be either a .tar.gz or a .tar.bz2, and if it's the latter, it should be smaller |
| 06:49.56 | shailender | its tar.gz file |
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| 06:50.33 | ootput | is there a debian chat irc channel for OT stuff (this included) ? |
| 06:50.49 | jim | also, uncompressed tarballs are usually in units of 10k, I don't think that part will help you all that much, but if you want you can find out how to change the tar block size in the tar info page |
| 06:51.16 | jim | ootput: yeah, I think it's called... |
| 06:51.25 | ootput | suspense |
| 06:51.26 | jim | #debian-something |
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| 06:51.34 | jim | uhh... |
| 06:51.37 | jim | umm |
| 06:51.45 | jim | #debian-offtopic |
| 06:52.00 | jim | I think that's it |
| 06:52.00 | shailender | thxs jim i will try for it |
| 06:52.31 | jim | shailender: are you looking to learn more about building packages? |
| 06:52.49 | shailender | jim, sure |
| 06:53.01 | jim | I could pile a buncha reading things on you :) |
| 06:53.32 | jim | interested? |
| 06:53.35 | shailender | iam interested |
| 06:54.05 | jim | ok, can you get debian sources? (got deb-src lines in your sources.list?) |
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| 06:54.41 | jim | I'll give you a small thing to do first |
| 06:55.02 | jim | that's sortof in line with what you already did |
| 06:55.17 | shailender | wait i will chek it in my sources.list |
| 06:55.28 | jim | so if you go to ftp.gnu.org |
| 06:55.45 | shailender | ok |
| 06:56.50 | shailender | what shuld i look at |
| 06:57.14 | jim | it's in /pub/gnu/hello |
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| 06:57.47 | BW^- | does anyone know about any nice HTTPD that features multiplexed fastCGI? |
| 06:57.48 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:59.35 | jim | the easiest thing to do is get hello-1.3.tar.gz |
| 06:59.40 | sandman | joltcan: What's your opinion on RAID6? |
| 06:59.43 | jim | untar it somewhere |
| 06:59.46 | jim | read every file |
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| 06:59.54 | shailender | jim , how can i make a tar.gz file for my source code? |
| 07:00.26 | jim | what's the name of the dir of your source code? |
| 07:00.38 | shailender | swecha |
| 07:00.52 | jim | what version is it at? |
| 07:00.52 | joltcan | sandman: Never used it. But complexity always comes out bad in my book |
| 07:01.07 | shailender | right now iam not ready with my source code |
| 07:01.17 | shailender | iam just learning to prepare it |
| 07:01.27 | sandman | joltcan: Well, it seems that RAID1 is the strongest candidate for keeping uptime maxed out. |
| 07:01.30 | jim | well let's say you're at version 0.1 |
| 07:01.48 | jim | I would rename the directory like this: |
| 07:02.03 | jim | mv swecha swecha-0.1 |
| 07:02.23 | jim | so now, the dir for your source is called swecha-0.1 |
| 07:02.30 | shailender | hmm |
| 07:02.49 | jim | and to tar it up you do: tar cf swecha-0.1.tar swecha-0.1 |
| 07:03.06 | jim | this is just a tar file tho, not a compressed tar file |
| 07:03.38 | shailender | hmm |
| 07:04.10 | jim | if you want to then compress that tar file, you would do: |
| 07:04.21 | jim | gzip swecha-0.1.tar |
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| 07:04.56 | shailender | then how to create data file, control file checksome file?? |
| 07:04.57 | sandman | joltcan: RAID6 is, of course, the only RAID that can survive double-disk failureand continue running. So for example, in your setup of 2 independent RAID1 arrays, if both disks in either array go, then the setup is toast. Whereas if you used RAID6 in that scenario, all data would still be intact. |
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| 07:05.25 | jim | (you can do that in one step with a few versions of tar; gnu tar is one of those) |
| 07:06.03 | jim | this whole packaging story is long... I can't do everything with you now |
| 07:06.04 | Waistless | hey.. does anyone here know how to clear the entire network cache? not just for the browser but for the whole system (if there is a network cache..) |
| 07:06.18 | shailender | can you provide me any links |
| 07:06.22 | shailender | so that i can learn |
| 07:06.28 | fireba11 | Waistless: something like a network cache does not exist |
| 07:06.40 | jim | sure, one thing you should do is the thing I mentioned before |
| 07:07.00 | fireba11 | Waistless : what possibly stored information you want to get rid of ? |
| 07:07.01 | stew | shailender: /msg dpkg mg |
| 07:07.03 | Waistless | what I mean is... |
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| 07:07.11 | Waistless | like the temporary files in windows |
| 07:07.17 | jim | that is, read all files in hello-1.3.tar.gz |
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| 07:07.28 | fireba11 | Waistless : /tmp ? |
| 07:07.28 | shailender | stew whats that? |
| 07:07.34 | jim | temporary files are in /tmp |
| 07:07.36 | Waistless | fireba11: thanks |
| 07:07.40 | stew | dpkg: tell shailender about mg |
| 07:07.41 | jim | the maintainer's guide |
| 07:07.44 | Waistless | fireba11 beat you :P |
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| 07:08.05 | Waistless | is rm /tmp safe? |
| 07:08.10 | icesword | jim, hi |
| 07:08.12 | jim | hi |
| 07:08.43 | Waistless | i'll assume it is... |
| 07:08.59 | jim | the thing is there are things in /tmp you're using right now |
| 07:09.07 | jim | so maybe not so good to rm it :) |
| 07:09.12 | Waistless | hmm |
| 07:09.39 | sandman | Can a RAID scheme be converted to another? |
| 07:09.58 | jim | well depending on what you're doing now exactly and what else your computer is doing, there -might be- thing there you're using |
| 07:10.07 | Waistless | I was thinking if there'd be an internet directory inside /tmp ... but that'd be the same as deleting firefox's ache.. hmm... |
| 07:10.26 | sandman | Like say, for instance, I have a RAID1 setup across 2 drives. I add another drive, could I then convert the 2 disk RAID1 to a 3-disk RAID5 or 6? |
| 07:10.34 | fireba11 | sandman : raid doesn't work that way |
| 07:11.05 | gavbf | hi all, i'm trying to debootstrap and chroot a sid on a freescale e500v2 cpu (kind of powerpc), some executables run fine but i can't "apt-get", I get "Illegal instruction". any suggestion ? |
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| 07:11.28 | stew | Waistless: there is no such internet directory. firefox's cache is in ~/.mozilla/ |
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| 07:11.40 | fireba11 | sandman : windows software for pseudo-hardware-raid (those chipset thingies) sometimes allows a few conversions. |
| 07:11.42 | jim | shailender: so once you have read all those files and built up the project and ran it and goed "hmm, it works..." |
| 07:11.54 | jim | then do apt-get source hello |
| 07:11.58 | jim | and read all those files |
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| 07:12.13 | fireba11 | sandman : i think raid 1 > raid 5 should be possible, but you need a special convert software |
| 07:12.16 | jim | look for the differences, they will be the debian packaging for hello |
| 07:12.22 | shailender | thxs jim |
| 07:12.29 | sandman | fireba11: Well, if I have a RAID1, and I lose a drive, I'm down to 1 disk as if I didn't have a RAID at all. Why couldn't I then just clear the raid info, rebuild it as RAID5/6 across the 3 drives? |
| 07:12.37 | jim | and you will then have seen a very simple packaging |
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| 07:13.22 | tarkus | how can i enable testing/unstable in debian etch? |
| 07:13.35 | fireba11 | sandman : because parity information is split equally on the 3 drives that's not that simple. it's possible of course, but you might be better off just backing up the data, changing raid and restoring |
| 07:13.43 | tarkus | all my packages are rediculously out-dated |
| 07:13.44 | jim | the thing is... the maintainer's guide includes the packaging manual... you may or may not want the mg if you're only interested in packaging |
| 07:14.02 | fireba11 | tarkus : please explain what you are trying to do |
| 07:14.06 | jim | tarkus: you'd have to upgrade |
| 07:14.18 | jim | he just wants newer software |
| 07:14.19 | tarkus | its on my VPS |
| 07:14.20 | sandman | fireba11: Perhaps. But I see no reason why I couldn't build a tool for this. |
| 07:14.26 | stew | tarkus: which package(s) do you need a new version of? |
| 07:14.28 | tarkus | and they only have etch as an option |
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| 07:14.36 | tarkus | stew: python, postgresql |
| 07:14.58 | jim | tarkus: you can try backports.org for newer ones of those |
| 07:15.06 | tarkus | they are a whole decimal version behind |
| 07:15.09 | jim | this is for a production server? |
| 07:15.18 | tarkus | jim: yea |
| 07:15.39 | jim | (sometimes we say "software old? big deal... it works, it's very stable") |
| 07:15.47 | stew | tarkus: what version of postgres are you running now? |
| 07:15.56 | tarkus | 7.2 |
| 07:15.59 | jim | probably 7.4.something |
| 07:16.06 | jim | 7.2?? |
| 07:16.07 | sandman | fireba11: A software RAID conversion tool, I mean. All one is doing is just rearranging blocks. If a disk can be defragmented, which involves the movement of blocks of course, why not conversion of RAID setups which is also just the rearrangement of blocks, right? |
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| 07:16.17 | tarkus | sorry, 7.4 |
| 07:16.26 | stew | tarkus: you can easily install postgresql-8.1 |
| 07:16.28 | tarkus | it should be at least 8.2 |
| 07:16.36 | tarkus | stew: how? |
| 07:16.43 | stew | tarkus: aptitude install postgresql-8.1 |
| 07:16.55 | stew | tarkus: if you need 8.2 you can get it from backports.org: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 07:16.59 | jim | wouldn't he need a backport source? |
| 07:17.03 | tarkus | aww, but thats the native postgresql package... |
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| 07:17.09 | jim | oic |
| 07:17.15 | jim | so etch has 8.1 |
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| 07:17.31 | stew | tarkus: what do you mean by native? |
| 07:17.31 | tarkus | meh, id rather use arch instead of all these workarround |
| 07:17.33 | tarkus | s |
| 07:17.35 | fireba11 | sandman: sort of .. but with defrag you can still access the disk while doing it, raid conversion would lock any disk access while its running normally .. if it's not a really sophisticated tool. something should exist for linux as well but i don't know any |
| 07:17.43 | yxa | joltcan i have isolated my incident to the firewall side |
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| 07:17.54 | tarkus | stew: that was the wrong word. |
| 07:17.56 | sandman | fireba11: Why restrict access |
| 07:18.01 | jim | tarkus: that's always your choice |
| 07:18.08 | jim | is that what you want to do? |
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| 07:18.16 | tarkus | no |
| 07:18.21 | tarkus | but it might be what i need to do |
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| 07:18.35 | frafra | hi all |
| 07:18.40 | swilky | hey guys ... i just set up my dns but im a bit confused i cant ping my domain name but i can ping my WWW.example.net domain name so what do i have to put in the zone file so i can ping just the example.net domain? |
| 07:18.42 | jim | is it available? |
| 07:19.07 | tarkus | jim: me? |
| 07:19.12 | jim | yeah |
| 07:19.16 | sandman | fireba11: Well, whatever, I'll get to that later =) |
| 07:19.16 | tarkus | yes it is |
| 07:19.30 | jim | well, so you do have that choice and it may be easy |
| 07:19.34 | sandman | Does the stock debian linux-image have EVMS patches applied? |
| 07:19.47 | frafra | I'm using debian lenny, with the official nvidia driver. nvidia-settings doesn't me allow to change the external monitor resolution (only 680x480). I've tried to change xorg.conf manually, but it doesn't work. How could I change this? |
| 07:19.47 | swilky | plz help |
| 07:20.10 | jim | additionally you can build up anything you need in debian or in arch or in (insert dist here) |
| 07:20.12 | tarkus | jim: yeah, i already use arch on my local system. i love it, but noone uses it on their servers, everyone uses debian for whatever reason unknown to me |
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| 07:20.43 | jim | so why did you choose it, out of curiousity? |
| 07:20.59 | tarkus | why did i choose debian? |
| 07:21.03 | jim | yeah |
| 07:21.28 | jim | you liked the apt-get thing? |
| 07:21.41 | tarkus | well, considering i rebuilt the vps over 10 times this week. i've already used ubuntu, arch, debian, fedora multiple times, different problems with each one |
| 07:21.46 | tarkus | debian had no problems.. |
| 07:21.50 | tarkus | but everything is so old |
| 07:21.56 | tarkus | jim: nope |
| 07:22.06 | jim | you didn't like it? |
| 07:22.09 | tarkus | jim: i much prefer pacman, its far superior imo |
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| 07:22.30 | tarkus | its second best in my book for package management.. |
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| 07:22.38 | tarkus | and i used aptitude (same thing right) |
| 07:22.41 | jim | pacman? you mean the thing where your guy gets eaten three times for a quarter? |
| 07:22.51 | jim | basically |
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| 07:22.59 | tarkus | yea, sure.. or the package manager for arch |
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| 07:23.08 | jim | oh, I didn't know that |
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| 07:23.23 | tarkus | check it out, its really good |
| 07:23.32 | jim | someday :) |
| 07:24.02 | jim | I dunno anything about arch, therefore I'm not comparing to it... |
| 07:24.07 | tarkus | so there is no normal way to get unstable/testing on my debian etch install? |
| 07:24.22 | jim | but I do know debian is very very stable, especially on servers... |
| 07:24.26 | jim | because |
| 07:24.31 | stew | tarkus: its not a good idea to mix different releases, instead backports are provided that are recompiled for stable |
| 07:24.35 | jim | it is a stationary target. |
| 07:24.41 | jim | it. does. not. move. |
| 07:24.49 | jim | as you noted, too: |
| 07:25.02 | jim | you said: the software is old |
| 07:25.18 | tarkus | yea |
| 07:25.31 | jim | this has its good and bad points... |
| 07:25.47 | swilky | can someone help me with a zonefile problem? |
| 07:26.15 | jim | one good point is there was more time to test all of the software together to make sure it all works, all installable, etc |
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| 07:27.00 | tarkus | yeah |
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| 07:27.37 | tarkus | what about if i wanted debian on my desktop? |
| 07:27.48 | tarkus | could i install a version with bleeding edge pakages |
| 07:28.32 | jim | what you''re probably wanting to know about how debian is released, is: (for example, etch) once etch was considered finished, it was released. once it's released, no new versions are ever added to official debian packages (but what about unofficial? more a bit later) |
| 07:29.21 | jim | that's why you see old software, but that's also why it's so stable: it doesn't change. |
| 07:29.47 | tarkus | aah, thats when i updated there was like 1MB of stuff haha |
| 07:30.09 | tarkus | thats why*^ |
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| 07:30.47 | jim | oh, ok, desktops and eye candy and stuff... you absolutely can install what you want, you can do that on your server if you want, you can do it on your desktop |
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| 07:30.53 | jim | it's up to you |
| 07:31.08 | tarkus | i cant do it on my server |
| 07:31.11 | googlah | debian really holds onto old but very reliable packages |
| 07:31.19 | tarkus | they only give me etch as an option for debain |
| 07:31.29 | jim | but you can upgrade it in place |
| 07:31.33 | jim | if you want |
| 07:31.35 | stew | tarkus: etch is the only sane option for a server |
| 07:31.53 | jim | (I'm just not sure you do actually want that) |
| 07:32.01 | tarkus | im starting to warm up to the older/stable packages idea |
| 07:32.09 | tarkus | but now im thinking about my desktop |
| 07:32.16 | tarkus | which i want bleeding edge packages |
| 07:32.17 | jim | it makes things easier to maintain |
| 07:32.36 | tarkus | is that what debian sid is? |
| 07:32.36 | jim | why not just build stuff on your desktop? |
| 07:32.43 | jim | you could do that |
| 07:32.52 | tarkus | cause im so used to arch |
| 07:32.54 | jim | sid is the bleedinist |
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| 07:33.18 | latitu | i have hp deskjet 3900 printer. how can i see ink levels and have some advanced configs and printing quality levels . like in windows? |
| 07:33.28 | tarkus | new packages are available immediately and just "pacman -S [package1] [package2] [etc..] |
| 07:33.30 | jim | the thing about sid is it can break in many different ways every day at the mirror pulse point |
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| 07:33.55 | jim | I'm not saying it does... people seem happy with it |
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| 07:34.06 | jim | but I -am- saying it can happen |
| 07:34.12 | tarkus | ok, alright |
| 07:34.18 | tarkus | i probably wouldnt mind that.. |
| 07:34.34 | tarkus | just need to stay conservative and carefull |
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| 07:35.01 | jim | one thing I will tell you, is it's not a good idea to consider your desktop a good machine to do real work on if you install sid |
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| 07:35.18 | jim | either that, or have a professionally designed backup plan |
| 07:35.20 | tarkus | btw, do the debian people people actually like the debian homepage? |
| 07:35.22 | tarkus | lol |
| 07:35.27 | joltcan | sid is good for bleeding edge desktops, but the thing is, you can't downgrade to a stable version, so be careful if you are about to run it on a server |
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| 07:35.58 | tarkus | joltcan: i wouldnt run it on a server |
| 07:36.01 | jim | debian maints are lazy bums... they decided early on to deny support for downgrades |
| 07:36.03 | jim | actually |
| 07:36.05 | tarkus | im going to run etch on my server |
| 07:36.21 | jim | supporting downgrades is a surprising amount of additional work |
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| 07:37.00 | jim | so you have two options for newer stuff on your arch: |
| 07:37.35 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:37.50 | latitu | i have hp deskjet 3900 printer. how can i see ink levels and have some advanced configs and printing quality levels . like in windows? |
| 07:38.13 | tarkus | also, why is debian.org so horrible looking? |
| 07:38.15 | heroxbd | hello, how can I discover the AP's address on the ethernet. |
| 07:38.19 | cjzjm100 | are there any problem of upgrading debian from 3.1 from 4.0? |
| 07:38.33 | stew | cjzjm100: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 07:38.39 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.42 | joltcan | cjzjm100: usuall not |
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| 07:39.25 | tarkus | are the debian peeps open for a newer and more simple debian.org design? |
| 07:39.46 | heroxbd | I have a Intel2011B AP and can't figure out its IP. and I can't find "AP discovery" on intel.com |
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| 07:39.56 | jim | I dunno...ask them :) it's looked like that for awhile |
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| 07:40.33 | sandman | What's a "compatibility LVM2 volume" versus a plain "LVM2 volume"? It's mentioned @ http://wiki.debian.org/EVMS under subheading "Current Debian Way" |
| 07:40.54 | tarkus | id make a design proposal, only if i knew its something they are considering. |
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| 07:41.23 | stew | tarkus: http://lists.debian.org/debian-www is the place to ask |
| 07:41.30 | jim | probably it's an lvm1 pv that's been upgraded? |
| 07:41.34 | tarkus | stew: thanks |
| 07:41.37 | googlah | I have finnish, swedish and english in locales.gen. if I want to set a language for a specific user in bash, how do I do that? |
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| 07:46.09 | simonrvn | set your locale |
| 07:46.13 | cjzjm100 | cjzjm100,yes,i konw,and i know some release like fedora recommand a fresh installation.what about debian?I heart the ubuntu upgrading from a old release may have some problem,so what about debian?what is the suggestion? |
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| 07:46.35 | jim | jim, whoa! who's talking to themselves?! |
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| 07:47.07 | cjzjm100 | stew,yes,i konw,and i know some release like fedora recommand a fresh installation.what about debian?I heart the ubuntu upgrading from a old release may have some problem,so what about debian?what is the suggestion? |
| 07:47.45 | simonrvn | simonrvn: i don't know |
| 07:47.49 | jim | debian can be upgraded |
| 07:48.12 | cjzjm100 | are there any problem? |
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| 07:48.23 | simonrvn | debian was designed to be upgradable... |
| 07:48.55 | jim | there can be problems with anything, not sure what you're asking |
| 07:49.03 | sandman | simonrvn: It was? Darn, I still have a potato installation. |
| 07:49.19 | jim | potato! I loved that one |
| 07:49.26 | sandman | Me too. |
| 07:49.34 | jim | very stable |
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| 07:49.52 | stew | cjzjm100: generally if you follow the recommended upgrade procedure (in chapter 4 of the release notes) there aren't problems |
| 07:49.54 | sandman | Well, I just have its images on backup for nostalgia |
| 07:50.09 | jim | it was hard to explain to the school admins that our main servers were running a potato... |
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| 07:50.12 | simonrvn | potato *was* nice, wasn't it |
| 07:50.22 | jaggz- | what image do I use for intel xeon processor? |
| 07:50.41 | jaggz- | it wouldn't be i386 right.. because the processor I have is 64 bit |
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| 07:51.02 | simonrvn | you *can* use that, but you can also use amd64 |
| 07:51.08 | stew | jaggz-: i386 if you want 32 bit or amd64 if you want 64 bit |
| 07:51.52 | jaggz- | I have i386 etch (4.0 rev 1) on a DVD already.. :/ |
| 07:52.15 | jaggz- | I have to replace a computer that went down today and .. I guess it's best to go with this DVD huh? |
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| 07:52.22 | sandman | What is this crap from wikipedia.org?: "Debian GNU/Linux, is a popular and influential Linux distribution..." Hm. I would say Debian is easily the most influential Linux Distribution on the planet. |
| 07:52.25 | jaggz- | since I'm in such a big hurry and downloading a new dvd will take a long time |
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| 07:52.28 | jaggz- | it's a dell server |
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| 07:52.53 | sandman | By a long shot. Maybe not necessarily the most popular, but definately most influential. Look at how many spinoffs there are, trying to be like Debian. |
| 07:53.00 | jaggz- | I'm replacing a desktop server with a dell server |
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| 07:53.16 | jaggz- | sandman, but the "influential" corporate world has often used redhat, suse, etc. |
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| 07:53.24 | onur | Hi. I have a question but I dont know where is the right channel for this question. Are there any way to get current active domain list from a whois server or somewhere? |
| 07:53.37 | jim | sandman: powerful but not so influential at least on the business side... |
| 07:54.20 | unop | sandman, well, I suppose whoever wrote that believes that too but in an effort to be objective he chose to avoid the superlative. |
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| 07:54.30 | jim | onur: most dns servers don't respond to axfr requests any more |
| 07:54.36 | sandman | Well, I suppose it's debatable. But what's not so debatable is Debian's superiority in the area of package management =) |
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| 07:55.26 | onur | ok thanks jim |
| 07:55.32 | jim | otherwise I'd suggest trying a recursive axfr starting with a root server, but I don't think you'd even get the root server to respond |
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| 07:55.58 | simonrvn | most block axfr requests, since spammers try to figure out network topology from the results |
| 07:56.05 | sandman | But anyway, this conversation is rather useless. I suppose the wording @ Wikipedia is more thoughtful that I have originally anticipated. |
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| 07:56.40 | simonrvn | trying to get axfr from a root server is like trying to remove a wart on your nose through your ass |
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| 07:58.09 | jim | you mean if I can accomplish the latter, I have a chance at doing the former? :P |
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| 07:58.59 | simonrvn | i.e., pointless, and would swamp your machine |
| 07:59.21 | jim | and screw up muh internal plumbing! |
| 07:59.36 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 08:00.11 | jim | hand me that piece of rusty barbed wire... |
| 08:00.27 | simonrvn | no, i'm using it as a toothpick |
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| 08:03.24 | sandman | Can a normal partition be converted to an LVM part? |
| 08:03.47 | jim | no not easily |
| 08:04.28 | jim | lvm is arranged as special partitions used for storage space for many volumes |
| 08:04.49 | jim | the best hope is to back it up and restore |
| 08:05.02 | jim | if not the fastest |
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| 08:06.25 | sandman | Alright. My other question is about "compatibility lvm2 volumes". I see it mentioned a couple times @ http://wiki.debian.org/EVMS. When I installed this system, I chose to use LVM2 (via the Etch installer). Are they the same thing? |
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| 08:08.53 | dokma | hi guys |
| 08:09.12 | dokma | my system clock is set to utc and my timezone is correctly set |
| 08:09.16 | sploodge | Does anyone here have the problem when using the proprietary nVIDIA driver the screen is blank? |
| 08:09.22 | El_Guillermo | w/t |
| 08:09.23 | dokma | but most of my apps are using utc time |
| 08:09.24 | El_Guillermo | oops |
| 08:09.32 | sploodge | (when switching consoles) |
| 08:09.34 | dokma | only the kde try clock is displaying the localtime |
| 08:09.47 | dokma | even this chat app is showing time stamps in utc |
| 08:09.55 | dokma | and my reminder app is using utc |
| 08:10.01 | dokma | which is obviously not good |
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| 08:10.11 | dokma | cuase it reminds me 2 hours too late |
| 08:10.47 | dokma | how do I tell my apps to use the local time instead of the utc time ? |
| 08:11.04 | simonrvn | so set TZ=yourtimezone in your shell dot files |
| 08:11.16 | simonrvn | file |
| 08:11.20 | peleg | how can I read my mail at /var/spool .. .? |
| 08:11.33 | sploodge | peleg, mail? :P |
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| 08:11.55 | dokma | simonrvn: will do that |
| 08:12.11 | peleg | sploodge: system mail? what I get from cron |
| 08:12.25 | peleg | I've been said that cron mails me errors |
| 08:12.29 | simonrvn | e.g., mine's EST5EDT so i do : export TZ=EST5EDT |
| 08:12.30 | sploodge | Yes... |
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| 08:13.53 | peleg | sploodge: well? can I use evolution, somehow, to read these mails/ |
| 08:14.00 | peleg | ? |
| 08:14.30 | sploodge | peleg, yes. |
| 08:14.41 | sploodge | peleg, or use 'mail' from a terminal. |
| 08:15.36 | peleg | sploodge: thanks, I'll try that. |
| 08:16.23 | dokma | simonrvn: my system wide timezone is set to Europe/Zagreb in /etc/timezone |
| 08:16.32 | dokma | should this not be enough |
| 08:16.38 | dokma | that is the correct time zone |
| 08:16.51 | dokma | my hwclock is set to utc |
| 08:17.04 | dokma | but still my apps use utc instead of local time |
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| 08:19.34 | peleg | sploodge: I don't have "mail"; I can install either mailutils or mailx, and I'll have it. do you know how can I set evolution to read it? what is my "mail address", server, etc... or: where can I find a tutorial about it? (tried "reading system mail" but couldn't find anything) |
| 08:19.40 | spoown | Hello all ! Does anyone known if open gfs project is death ? |
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| 08:21.47 | jaggz- | My lord what have I done. |
| 08:21.48 | tarkus | alright, so im trying to get postgresql setup |
| 08:22.01 | tarkus | can someone help me here, apparently debian does everything their own whacky way.. |
| 08:22.17 | tarkus | and there is no postgres user (it should be created when installed) |
| 08:22.20 | tarkus | but no.. |
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| 08:23.32 | jim | if you built pg yourself, you have to create the user |
| 08:23.34 | ronr | dmesg tells me my usb stick is on /dev/sdb1, but that device doesn't exist! and MAKEDEV generic sdb doesn't create it, how should I make this device? |
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| 08:23.57 | jim | if you installed it as a package, should be user postgres |
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| 08:27.21 | Danker | Hi |
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| 08:27.36 | Danker | Is there any backports for newer proftpd-ldap module version? |
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| 08:29.34 | peleg | I can read my mail using "mail" after installing mailx; do you know how can I configure it on evolution, for example? what are the server-name, username, etc... and does it support IMAP |
| 08:31.12 | streuner | depends on your ISP |
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| 08:31.21 | suppaman | hi |
| 08:31.27 | suppaman | does thi make sense: $ ./configure |
| 08:31.27 | suppaman | -bash: ./configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied |
| 08:31.36 | Danker | Yes |
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| 08:31.44 | streuner | peleg: go to your ISP website and find out |
| 08:31.45 | peleg | streuner: sorry; I mean system mail, not internet mail |
| 08:32.04 | suppaman | Danker: but -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 688492 Feb 9 23:32 /bin/bash |
| 08:32.04 | suppaman | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Feb 26 13:19 /bin/sh -> bash |
| 08:32.22 | suppaman | this is a lenny |
| 08:32.25 | Danker | That's strange |
| 08:32.29 | streuner | !listvals interpreter |
| 08:32.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'interpreter' by value (12): basix ;; links2 #DEL# ;; ciao ;; freesci ;; bwbasic ;; pcl ;; gwm ;; bad interpreter ;; aribas ;; clif ;; shebang ;; scummvm. |
| 08:32.37 | suppaman | indeed, I wouldn't have asked otherwise |
| 08:32.38 | streuner | !bad interpreter |
| 08:32.38 | dpkg | i heard bad-interpreter is a wrong #! line in a script, or script is in crlf - which is the case, if 'od -b filename|grep 015' returns something; ask me about crlf->unix - or script is not executable (use chmod +x on it), or script is on a partition mounted with the noexec (mounting with "user" implies that) option. |
| 08:32.56 | suppaman | streuner: I just untarred the source archive tho' |
| 08:33.15 | streuner | suppaman: what kind of tar? |
| 08:33.47 | suppaman | ? |
| 08:34.09 | streuner | suppaman: what kind of source? (ls -l foo.tar) |
| 08:34.09 | suppaman | how many kind of tars are out there? |
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| 08:34.20 | streuner | not that many :-) |
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| 08:34.35 | peleg | I have understood that cron doesn't know the value of my environmental variable $PATH. is that correct? I am trying to execute a file that is in ~/bin, which is a new binaries folder that I use, but cron won't find it (though, I do find it from the terminal, and it is executable). any ideas? |
| 08:34.36 | streuner | only some billion, i would guess :-) |
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| 08:35.44 | suppaman | I'm sorry I can't say what kind of tar it is |
| 08:36.02 | suppaman | actually I didn't even understood the question |
| 08:36.06 | petemc | peleg: set the path correctly in your script, or in /etc/crontab |
| 08:36.18 | streuner | suppaman: just ls -l the file itself |
| 08:36.27 | suppaman | -rw-r--r-- 1 suppa suppa 3675948 Apr 25 10:26 magic-7.5.131.tgz |
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| 08:36.51 | suppaman | peleg: use absolute paths |
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| 08:37.16 | suppaman | streuner: how can you get info on the tar type from ls output? |
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| 08:37.36 | nexxu | hello, I just updated and now amavis-new crashes at like 157 Starting amavisd: ERROR: MISSING REQUIRED BASIC MODULES: |
| 08:37.37 | nexxu | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:37.51 | fireba11 | hm .. dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/perl_5.8.8-7etch2_i386.deb (--unpack): unable to stat `./usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/Devel/PPPort.pm' (which I was about to install): Input/output error > can someone tell me how to fix that ? |
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| 08:39.50 | themill | dpkg: bad-interpreter =~ s/crlf->unix/<crlf-unix>/ |
| 08:39.50 | dpkg | OK, themill |
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| 08:41.41 | fireba11 | anyone any idea ? |
| 08:41.56 | g00se | How do i get timestamps in .xsession-errors |
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| 08:42.04 | unop | fireba11, i would try. apt-get autoclean; apt-get install -f .. and then try again |
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| 08:42.27 | suppaman | mm crlf seems to be not the case |
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| 08:42.38 | fireba11 | unop : that WAS the output of apt-get instal -f |
| 08:43.18 | themill | fireba11: is /usr full ? |
| 08:44.13 | fireba11 | themill : 2.6 GB free |
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| 08:44.46 | themill | fireba11: there is often an earlier error. Can you pastebin the entire output of apt-get -f install? |
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| 08:44.48 | sandman | Okay, I'm using evmsgui, and none of the operations seem to work. I go to shrink, and nothing shows up in the box. Same for all options. |
| 08:44.50 | suppaman | the script is using LF |
| 08:45.00 | peleg | suppaman: I guess that will be a solution; but for example, my crontab knows how to execture mplayer, which is probably on /usr/bin or so. |
| 08:45.17 | peleg | how can I tell it to search in all of $PATH? |
| 08:45.31 | sandman | I have several lvm2 LVs which I'd like to convert to EVMS2, however I don't get the option to... =/ |
| 08:46.08 | fireba11 | themill : http://pastebin.com/d43028cd3 |
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| 08:46.16 | themill | peleg: it will be searching all of your $PATH, but you've not set PATH inside your crontab. Either set PATH in your crontab or give the full path to the thing that you're trying to run. |
| 08:46.16 | peleg | petemc: oh, I guess that in /etc/crontab I can edit it... :-) |
| 08:46.26 | sandman | I'll try rebooting |
| 08:46.30 | peleg | themill: thanks! |
| 08:47.41 | suppaman | peleg: man page talks about it explicitly afair |
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| 08:48.17 | GiabboO | hi all |
| 08:48.25 | peleg | suppaman: thanks |
| 08:48.55 | GiabboO | is anyone out there using courier-imap + courier-authdaemon on a debian box ? |
| 08:49.08 | themill | !anyone |
| 08:49.08 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 08:49.16 | GiabboO | =) |
| 08:49.18 | GiabboO | ok |
| 08:49.27 | GiabboO | i go straight to the point |
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| 08:50.24 | glontu | hello |
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| 08:50.39 | peleg | themill: should I restart cron somehow after I add a new path ? |
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| 08:50.51 | glontu | what install dvd do i need to install debian on a machine with intel core 2 duo e6750 ? |
| 08:50.52 | GiabboO | I updated my courier-base + courieri-imap + courier-authdaemon installation on a sarge box, from 0.47-4sarge5 to 0.58-4.dotdeb.1_i386 |
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| 08:51.08 | Quag7 | Need advice. I have a completely new system I just built. The ethernet driver on the board is only supported in 2.6.22 and above. What is the best way to go about installing Debian on this machine? |
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| 08:51.14 | peleg | I have added ":/home/peleg/bash" to "PATH=..." |
| 08:51.17 | GiabboO | since it seems that my configuration doesnt work properly anymore for courier-imap since it cannot login properly.... |
| 08:51.25 | glontu | i have the i386 dvd but that hangs after it copies all the files from the dvd |
| 08:51.31 | GiabboO | any suggestion ? |
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| 08:52.00 | themill | fireba11: hmmm... is your downloaded deb corrupted, I wonder. Perhaps check them against these: http://pastebin.com/m4abe8edc |
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| 08:52.39 | themill | GiabboO: the dotdeb packages cause more problems than you can imagine. Is there a reason you're going down that route? |
| 08:53.06 | GiabboO | you think so ? |
| 08:53.34 | fireba11 | themill : md5 is okay |
| 08:53.58 | themill | peleg: you shouldn't need to restart cron. that doesn't look like the right sort of thing to add to your PATH though. Do you have a script inside the directory /home/peleg/bash that you want to execute? |
| 08:54.42 | peleg | themill: indeed; that's my bash-scripts-executable files folder |
| 08:55.23 | themill | peleg: OK. That's fine. (most people use ~/bin for that... I was just worried that you had a *file* ~/bash not a *directory*) |
| 08:55.33 | suppaman | can anyone pls check http://opencircuitdesign.com/magic/archive/magic-7.5.131.tgz and see if he can run configure? |
| 08:55.40 | suppaman | it's ~3,5Mb |
| 08:56.02 | streuner | why do you think someone is able to configure and you aren't? |
| 08:56.44 | suppaman | streuner: I don't know but I'm not able to understand why it doesnt work |
| 08:57.01 | streuner | well, could be a script error |
| 08:57.05 | suppaman | line endings are LF, sh and bash have right permissions |
| 08:57.23 | suppaman | I commented the single line in main configure so there are no actual instructions |
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| 08:57.49 | streuner | hold on |
| 08:57.56 | unop | suppaman, Is the partition this script resides on mounted with user/noexec? |
| 08:58.08 | suppaman | unop: smarty... |
| 08:58.17 | themill | GiabboO: Do you also know that sarge security support has now finished? It's time for you to be implementing the upgrade from sarge to etch that you've been planning for the last year.... :) |
| 08:58.18 | unop | just wondering.. |
| 08:58.26 | suppaman | (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
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| 08:58.35 | themill | that would do it |
| 08:58.38 | suppaman | you're da man |
| 08:58.59 | streuner | checking size of void *... 4 |
| 08:59.00 | streuner | checking for unsigned int... apis:/tmp/magic-7.5.131# |
| 08:59.21 | streuner | suppaman: slap yourself |
| 08:59.24 | suppaman | I will |
| 08:59.28 | themill | suppaman: /msg dpkg bad interpreter and read the last sentence again.... |
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| 08:59.48 | fireba11 | themill : anything else i could check ? |
| 09:00.05 | suppaman | themill: I missed that one |
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| 09:00.24 | themill | suppaman: indeed :) |
| 09:00.45 | peleg | themill: cron still can't find my script; when I double-tab in the terminal, I have the option "alarm" (which is the wanted script). echo $PATH gives "... :/home/peleg/bash". in /etc/crontab I have "PATH=... :/home/peleg/bash". alarm is indeed in /home/peleg/bash. I get a system mail from cron that says "/bin/sh: alarm: not found". what am I doing wrong? |
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| 09:01.20 | suppaman | thanks |
| 09:01.42 | themill | peleg: the simplest thing to do would be to change the cron entry to /home/peleg/bash/alarm rather than just alarm. |
| 09:01.59 | ghis | Iam creating a backup script... before i send the data away i would like to encrypt it with open ssl... "openssl des3 -a -in /home/martin/test.txt -out /home/martin/encryptedfile.txt" <-- after that openssl asks for the password.. and repeat the password... how can enter the password from the shell script? |
| 09:02.16 | tarzeau | ghis: the ibackup pkg has that feature |
| 09:02.29 | tarzeau | ghis: you might want to get it and look at the example configuration file |
| 09:02.56 | themill | fireba11: does that file currently exist? (/usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/Devel/PPPort.pm) what are its permissions? |
| 09:03.52 | peleg | themill: I agree; but do you count that as good practice? I am trying to study the system more than I am trying to set the alarm. the alarm was OK until I changed the absolute path to just "alarm". |
| 09:04.22 | ghis | My question is, how can i answer a program's question inside a shell script? |
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| 09:04.43 | fireba11 | themill : ls: /usr/lib/perl/5.8.8/Devel/PPPort.pm: Input/output error ouch |
| 09:04.54 | themill | ouch |
| 09:05.12 | themill | reiserfs? |
| 09:05.25 | fireba11 | ext3 |
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| 09:05.46 | themill | Damn... and I was going to have so much fun blaming reiserfs for that. |
| 09:06.11 | themill | fireba11: How about the rest of that directory? |
| 09:06.15 | fireba11 | in the Devel folder are 3 files, 2 are dead .. can i just delete those ? |
| 09:06.44 | fireba11 | hm .. more of the 5.8.8 subfolders look like that *uh-uh* |
| 09:06.46 | unop | ghis, the openssl manpage lists a few ways of supplying the password in a script |
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| 09:07.46 | themill | peleg: getting PATH to work is nice, but when you are dealing with common filenames like "alarm" giving the full path can be a good idea. (note there is a /usr/bin/alarm in the toshutils package) |
| 09:08.05 | ghis | unop, can't find it |
| 09:08.44 | unop | ghis, man openssl /\-passin or /passphrase |
| 09:09.06 | peleg | themill: ok, but suppose we talk about alarm-create-list, and not about alarm... I still want to get PATH to work. it's not SO important, but maybe it will teach me something. |
| 09:09.25 | peleg | question to everyone: did you manage to set cron's PATH to work with costume folders? |
| 09:10.06 | themill | peleg: is this cron entry in your personal crontab or in the system crontab? |
| 09:10.18 | peleg | (unrelated question: is it ok to exit programs using ctrl-\ ?) |
| 09:10.38 | peleg | themill: my personal crontab |
| 09:11.08 | themill | peleg: and did you set PATH in that same crontab? (not in /etc/crontab) |
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| 09:11.28 | peleg | themill: well, no; I thought it's global. |
| 09:11.38 | peleg | so I guess I have to find my own crontab file |
| 09:12.02 | suppaman | bye |
| 09:12.23 | themill | peleg: no. /etc/crontab is a system crontab, it's not a cron config file. As your normal user, you edit your crontab with "crontab -e". Add the PATH assignment while doing so. |
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| 09:12.50 | peleg | oh! I see. thanks! |
| 09:13.03 | sandman | Alright. I managed to convert my parts to EVMS from compatibility LVM2, properly changing fstab/menu.lst entries. |
| 09:13.11 | sandman | However, I still don't seem to be able to do online-resizes |
| 09:13.18 | peleg | if I understand correctly, I can set this PATH just above the normal assignments rows, without a time or so. right? |
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| 09:15.37 | themill | peleg: yes. In exactly the same way as you set it in /etc/crontab |
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| 09:16.13 | peleg | themill: it works! thank you very much. I also guess that it works like that with any environmental variables I want to set. cool. |
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| 09:16.34 | themill | peleg: indeed. |
| 09:16.38 | peleg | :-) |
| 09:16.40 | gan | from where can i get the rtlinux source |
| 09:16.45 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 09:18.19 | peleg | is it ok to exit programs using ctrl-\ ? |
| 09:18.19 | enouf | !rtl |
| 09:18.30 | themill | !rtlinux |
| 09:18.30 | dpkg | from memory, rtlinux is "hard real-time operating system that handles time-critical tasks and runs Linux as its lowest priority execution thread. In RTLinux, a small hard-realtime kernel shares one or more processors with standard Linux. This allows the system to run accurately timed applications to perform data acquisition, systems control and robotics, while still serving as a standard Linux workstation." --from http://www.fsmlabs.com |
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| 09:20.35 | sandman | I'm failing to see the benefit in using EVMS if I have to reboot to manage the partitions anyway. Why wouldn't I just use GParted or something, then. |
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| 09:21.09 | joh | Hi, is it possible to mount a fat32 filesystem under BusyBox in the debian install cd? |
| 09:21.33 | ootput | what's a good alternative to acroread that isn't too antique in it's look, and not too bloated? |
| 09:21.52 | themill | ootput: kpdf, xpdf, evince, ... |
| 09:22.11 | gan | tell me from where i can download the source for rtlinux |
| 09:22.17 | joh | nvm :-) |
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| 09:28.29 | _subzero_ | Is there a way in linux to automount a storage media when a user tries to access its mount point? I would like to be able to automount a floppy drive when someone tries to copy a file to /media/floppy, for example. |
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| 09:29.28 | themill | !automount |
| 09:29.28 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
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| 09:32.09 | enouf | ootput: nothing unfortunately, PDF itself == bloat |
| 09:32.30 | enouf | it's a shame though - wasn't always that way |
| 09:32.36 | themill | enouf: sometimes. But that's a bit harsh in general. |
| 09:32.44 | sandman | So with EVMS, one may create a RAID array out of any set of storage objects. |
| 09:32.55 | ootput | yeah, adobe pumped it up with a lot of useless juice |
| 09:33.16 | themill | none of which is implemented in any of the free viewers |
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| 09:34.07 | enouf | i used to love pdfs, and could never get over why people were using something like .doc over it, even many years ago - it's crazy man |
| 09:34.20 | sandman | This makes me wonder. Could I then, somehow, create a RAID array out of my GMail accounts using EVMS? =) |
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| 09:34.39 | enouf | themill: they are slow a crap - i have to use acroread on my hardware |
| 09:34.44 | enouf | s/a/as |
| 09:35.00 | themill | enouf: ? kpdf is much faster than acroread. |
| 09:35.04 | enouf | and honestly, it actually has useful features |
| 09:35.07 | enouf | much |
| 09:35.10 | sandman | Heh. GmailFS + EVMS + MD = crazay concept. |
| 09:35.20 | enouf | themill: you have that backwards |
| 09:36.07 | Fox_1_ | people now I'm working on new Linux (Debian based) distribution. It must be fully translated to Armenian language. who can add new system URL in http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros page? URL: http://hrat.debian.am |
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| 09:36.21 | themill | enouf: no. most definitely not my experience (and I live and breath pdfs as part of my job). Actually, I currently *only* have 15 open. |
| 09:36.33 | enouf | actually not /much faster/ but enough to notice - they all stink though compared to my win98 adbe reader 4.0 speeds - nothing even remotely comes close - and i used to use that on 192MB ram |
| 09:37.22 | Quag7 | Fox - try mailing debian-www@lists.debian.org to ask |
| 09:37.24 | enouf | themill: i have many tech PDF docs, that are 1000-1500 pages each - anything in linux chokes horribly on anything even 10 pages |
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| 09:37.50 | enouf | (well, not many, but a few ;-)) |
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| 09:38.10 | _subzero_ | themill: thanks, next time I'll ask dpkg first ) |
| 09:38.10 | themill | enouf: The docs I normally deal with are 10 to 500 pages. kpdf handles the 300-500 page PDFs quite nicely. |
| 09:38.40 | themill | _subzero_: no worries. Sometimes you need to know what to ask it though! |
| 09:38.50 | enouf | themill: my system not only locks up - it actually could take about 10 seconds (no kidding) to redraw the screen of a new page scrolled |
| 09:38.59 | Fox_1_ | thanks Quag7 |
| 09:39.19 | enouf | themill: doesn't happen in win98 (same system) .. nor on HUGE pdfs on 98 |
| 09:39.46 | enouf | themill: that's the 'definition' of bloat ;-) |
| 09:39.48 | themill | enouf: yuck. Have you tried kpdf again recently? It did get a lot better a couple of years ago (switch from gs to poppler, iirc) |
| 09:40.04 | enouf | themill: i tried it in 3.5.3 or whatever last perhaps |
| 09:40.20 | enouf | maybe it was 3.3.5 |
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| 09:40.57 | enouf | themill: KGhostView doesbn't even have a Search/Find feature <- WTF is that?! |
| 09:41.17 | tarkus | hey, anyone know a way to transfer a few files from my local system to my vps? |
| 09:41.35 | themill | enouf: no, that's not bloat, that can just be a crappy algorithm. It's only bloat if the same program is picking up useless features not if a different program is just less efficient. If it was 3.3.5 then you should revisit it. KGhostView is a joke. I don't use it. But I don't think any of the ghostscript based viewers support searching. |
| 09:42.06 | enouf | themill: well, that's just nuts if they don't ;-) |
| 09:42.34 | enouf | themill: crappy algorithm, poorly written , whatever .. it's all bloat to me ;-) |
| 09:42.37 | themill | enouf: I don't think gs supports searching. kpdf, xpdf and evince are not gs based so they don't have that limitation. |
| 09:43.44 | enouf | themill: that i know - almost all PDF viewers have a search/find .. indeed, however xpdf has almost no standard features, and it's ugly as sin - just IMO ;-) |
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| 09:44.37 | pumpkin0 | does the clamav-package in lenny find windows-viruses too ? |
| 09:44.45 | enouf | i mean, 'chicken scratch' ugly .. i could care less most times about menus, borders, etc |
| 09:45.02 | unop | pumpkin0, it sure doesn't find linux viruses :) |
| 09:45.28 | themill | enouf: you mean you don't like pink on grey any more? but that was so hip! |
| 09:45.34 | themill | enouf: I'll put you in the category of whinging "kde is bloatware" weenies if you're not careful! :) They're the same bastards that are complaining that they're missing "crucial" features while shouting that that all the features that everyone else wants are "bloat". Pet hate. </rant> |
| 09:45.46 | enouf | themill: you don't perhaps trying some 3D acceleration would help with this issue using my 32MB AGP card , do you? |
| 09:45.58 | enouf | sorry, |
| 09:46.05 | enouf | themill: you don't /think/ perhaps trying some 3D acceleration would help with this issue using my 32MB AGP card , do you? |
| 09:46.16 | YodaYoda | tarkus: scp or sftp. |
| 09:46.23 | pumpkin0 | unop: why not ? There are enough published. |
| 09:47.01 | enouf | themill: yes, for ex; KGhostView has many many features, and not one of them is useful ;-) |
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| 09:47.59 | YodaYoda | unop: It does though there are 10000 as an order of magnitude compared to the millions of windows ones in its database. |
| 09:48.05 | themill | enouf: nfi... I doubt that any of the viewers use any 3D acceleration at all. (and I can't say that I had noticed that KGhostView actually had any features at all... I still uses gv for viewing my eps files) |
| 09:48.09 | unop | pumpkin0, maybe i ought to rephrase - it does find linux viruses, but there aren't a significant amount of them for it to be useful on linux - clamav is primarily used on mail/file sharing server to scan for win32 viruses |
| 09:48.18 | enouf | take even Kwrite for example - TONS of features - no idea what any of them do though ;-) so much for a simple editor / word processor ;-) |
| 09:48.40 | enouf | themill: ok, thank you for the 3D comment |
| 09:48.48 | enouf | themill: i thought so anyway |
| 09:48.48 | pumpkin0 | unop: and it has a command-line scaner so i could use it on a windows-HD ? |
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| 09:48.56 | unop | pumpkin0, sure |
| 09:49.05 | pumpkin0 | unop: thanks. |
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| 09:49.23 | themill | enouf: it has fewer features than emacs or vi but you don't hear people complaining about them being too bloated... Actually I use kwrite's features heavily but it sometimes lacks a few things which make me go to Kate instead. |
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| 09:49.52 | m_dige | hi guys. Is there a way to run the post installation of grub again ? Like the debian installer does where it locates others OS's etc and add it all to menu.lst ? |
| 09:49.55 | jelly | themill: I've barely found a simple picture viewer that uses 'gl |
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| 09:50.37 | enouf | themill: i /tried/ to make it a standard type editor for myself , and i DID find some useful features (syntax highlighting, line numbering) and even line/word wrapping (though that's a bit buggy) |
| 09:50.39 | sploodge | I can't seem to start GDM with /etc/init.d/gdm start anymore. |
| 09:50.49 | jelly | enouf: ... vim? |
| 09:50.51 | sploodge | I can start it with /usr/sbin/gdm, though. |
| 09:51.04 | glontu | how can i start the program that configures the x server in debian ( text mode ) |
| 09:51.14 | themill | jelly: yeah... it would more or less be a complete rewrite of the viewing code though. |
| 09:51.23 | enouf | jelly: we were discussing 'kwrite' as an aside to a larger discussion about bloat in general ';-) |
| 09:51.23 | themill | !tell glontu about drxx |
| 09:51.43 | jelly | kwhat |
| 09:51.48 | enouf | right |
| 09:51.54 | enouf | iDunno |
| 09:52.05 | m_dige | !dpkg grub |
| 09:52.14 | enouf | !grub |
| 09:52.15 | dpkg | from memory, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader which can boot many OSes, understands many filesystems (including <reiserfs> and <XFS> since 0.97), but see http://bugs.debian.org/grub. For an install guide, see http://linuxjournal.com/4622, or "aptitude install grub grub-doc". To reinstall, ask about <fixmbr> or <grub.errors> |
| 09:52.22 | sploodge | I can't find anything in my logs with about gdm. |
| 09:52.27 | enouf | !tell m_dige -about msg the bot |
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| 09:52.53 | Wyzard | sploodge: What happens when you try to start it with the initscript? |
| 09:52.55 | themill | goes back to hacking at perl modules in kate :) |
| 09:53.17 | enouf | waves - (i should be doing something else now myself) |
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| 09:53.29 | liable | i knew you were twisted! |
| 09:53.30 | m_dige | enouf: thanks. Didn't mean to flod |
| 09:53.36 | sploodge | Wyzard, Starting GNOME Display Manager: gdmblah:/# |
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| 09:53.41 | enouf | you didn't, i did ;-) |
| 09:53.52 | Wyzard | sploodge: You may need to do "/etc/init.d/gdm stop" before starting it |
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| 09:54.08 | sploodge | Wyzard, Stopping GNOME Display Manager: gdmblah:/# |
| 09:54.23 | sploodge | Wyzard, I didn't even have gdm started. |
| 09:54.27 | enouf | m_dige: /msg dpkg update-grub |
| 09:55.09 | Waistless | hi again :) just want to know how... |
| 09:55.27 | enouf | ... waits |
| 09:55.45 | sploodge | Wyzard, it used to work. I'm not sure what I did to screw it up. |
| 09:55.46 | Waistless | i'm using a small script to start my wireless, it needs root access, I'm starting it with sudo ./startwireless... |
| 09:55.55 | enouf | jelly: an image viewer - please do tell |
| 09:56.05 | jelly | gliv |
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| 09:56.12 | enouf | ok, thanks jelly |
| 09:56.13 | Waistless | how would I make it execute on startup with gksu? |
| 09:56.19 | enouf | Waistless: sudo is ok |
| 09:56.28 | enouf | ugh |
| 09:56.42 | sploodge | Waistless, gksu startwireless? :P |
| 09:56.46 | enouf | Waistless: add it to wherever gnome startup files are |
| 09:56.47 | Waistless | i mean have it run when I log in |
| 09:56.49 | unop | Waistless, what does the script actually do? |
| 09:56.51 | jelly | enouf: it's great for pron! |
| 09:57.03 | enouf | jelly: !pornview |
| 09:57.05 | enouf | ;-) |
| 09:57.20 | jelly | pornview, despite its name, is not that great |
| 09:57.20 | enouf | jelly: i'm going to test it right now ;-) |
| 09:57.43 | Waistless | unop: puts in a series of commands to boot up the wireless. and i'm not editing my /etc/network/interfaces (too complicated and fails to work properly) |
| 09:57.47 | enouf | jelly: ~$ apt-cache show giiv |
| 09:57.48 | enouf | W: Unable to locate package giiv |
| 09:57.50 | enouf | :-( |
| 09:58.00 | enouf | gah! |
| 09:58.07 | enouf | my font is so friggin small |
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| 09:58.42 | unop | Waistless, you could probably just call the script from within /etc/rc.local then - no need for sudo here as it is run by root |
| 09:58.57 | Waistless | unop: hmm.. ok thanks |
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| 09:59.00 | sploodge | Anyone? Help? |
| 09:59.06 | jelly | enouf: you fail at copy/paste |
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| 10:00.05 | sploodge | Waistless, add gksu startwireless to Session properties in GNOME? |
| 10:00.07 | enouf | heh |
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| 10:01.06 | Waistless | sploodge: haha didn't think of that (for some reason).. but i'm not sure if it starts commands in home by default.. so would gksu /home/*user*/./startwireless work then? |
| 10:01.13 | enouf | sploodge: tried dpkg-reconfigure gdm ? |
| 10:01.29 | enouf | sploodge: have you been toying with compiz -replace ? |
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| 10:01.48 | sploodge | enouf, No, but I've tried apt-get purge gdm && apt-get install gdm ;) |
| 10:01.53 | enouf | sploodge: how about sudo update-alternatives --config x-<tab><tab> |
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| 10:02.12 | enouf | --purge remove ? |
| 10:02.31 | unop | Waistless, you'd have to keep entering your password that way -- it can be annoying -- if all your script does is execute a set of command that don't require any interaction with the desktop .. then /etc/rc.local should do fine |
| 10:02.32 | sploodge | enouf, no, but /etc/X11/default-display-manager says /usr/sbin/gdm. |
| 10:02.32 | rocketmagnet | hi, where can i find out if etch has build in support for certain network cards ? |
| 10:02.51 | Waistless | unop: i'll try both ways then. |
| 10:02.59 | streuner | rocketmagnet: google? |
| 10:03.03 | Waistless | thanks... you're all so helpful :D |
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| 10:03.31 | sploodge | enouf, there's no indication of X even starting with the initscript. |
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| 10:03.35 | streuner | rocketmagnet: or just use pdo (packages.debian.org) or download the kernel and grep the config file |
| 10:03.46 | streuner | rocketmagnet: what kind of NIC? |
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| 10:04.15 | rocketmagnet | streuner: i'm going to install debian on a system with no internet, so i want to copy those files if neccessary |
| 10:04.18 | enouf | sploodge: is that debian even? |
| 10:04.23 | sploodge | enouf, yes. :P |
| 10:04.23 | Waistless | unop: ahh just thought, the script would require the network interfaces to be up first, would rc.local still work? |
| 10:04.38 | enouf | sploodge: well, how did you break it if it once worked? |
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| 10:04.55 | sploodge | enouf, I _think_ it might have been Splashy. |
| 10:04.56 | rocketmagnet | but i also don't exactly know the type, i know it's a chilligreen computer, and there are only 5 possible cards |
| 10:05.03 | rocketmagnet | streuner: ^^ |
| 10:05.04 | sploodge | enouf, but I've uninstalled it. |
| 10:05.08 | enouf | sploodge: ugh ... |
| 10:05.09 | streuner | rocketmagnet: you need the *chipset* of the NIC... |
| 10:05.10 | unop | Waistless, yes. /etc/rc.local is executed lastly by init and the interfaces are already up at that point |
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| 10:05.24 | Waistless | unop: excellent, thanks |
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| 10:05.44 | rocketmagnet | streuner: when i know the network cards name i have all i need |
| 10:05.47 | enouf | sploodge: i don't know man, how about gdm-conf ? gconf ? |
| 10:05.49 | unop | Waistless, provided they are set to auto in /etc/network/interface i.e. |
| 10:05.53 | streuner | rocketmagnet: google then for it (+Debian), keep in mind there are also backport (/msg dpkg backports) and last not least <kmuto> |
| 10:06.01 | sploodge | enouf, is putting gdm onto the end of /etc/rc.local then disabling the initscript advisable? |
| 10:06.17 | pinto3 | nothing will break if i delete all but tty1 from /etc/securetty will it? not sure what these vc/ and tts/ are used for, i just want to be able to have root login on ctrl+alt+f1 |
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| 10:07.06 | sploodge | enouf, all the services start fine except for gdm. |
| 10:07.29 | enouf | jelly: ohh.. nice - wheel zooms ;-) |
| 10:07.45 | enouf | sploodge: which initscript? |
| 10:08.12 | enouf | sploodge: gdm lives in/at /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 10:08.17 | sploodge | enouf, /etc/rc.d/gdm |
| 10:08.21 | jelly | enouf: crossfade slideshow! |
| 10:08.25 | sploodge | enouf, ahh, sorry, FreeBSD-ness. |
| 10:08.37 | sploodge | enouf, I meant at /etc/init.d. |
| 10:08.39 | pinto3 | ah well, can back it up and restore it if it breaks |
| 10:08.44 | enouf | OH MAN - i'm in heaven - like IrfanView \o/ |
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| 10:10.43 | rocketmagnet | realtek cards are quite common or ? |
| 10:10.59 | enouf | !realtek |
| 10:10.59 | dpkg | i heard realtek is a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller, or http://freebsd.active-venture.com/FreeBSD-srctree/newsrc/pci/if_rl.c.html, or <rtl-wifi> |
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| 10:12.10 | themill | heh... kernel 2.2.18... nice. |
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| 10:12.29 | enouf | dpkg: realtek =~ s/or <rtl-wifi>/or ask me about <rtl-wifi>/ |
| 10:12.29 | dpkg | OK, enouf |
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| 10:12.35 | sploodge | enouf, it worked ;) I should listen to my own advice more often. |
| 10:12.45 | enouf | sploodge: what did? haha |
| 10:13.03 | enouf | sploodge: you put gdm in rc.local ? |
| 10:13.12 | sploodge | enouf, disabling /etc/init.d/gdm and shoving gdm onto the end of rc.local. |
| 10:13.27 | sploodge | enouf, before exit 0, of course. |
| 10:13.31 | themill | ewww! unclean! |
| 10:13.48 | enouf | sploodge: perhaps your /etc/rc2.d/SNNgdm were wrongly numbered? |
| 10:13.51 | sploodge | themill, I know. TEMPORARY SOLUTION. |
| 10:13.58 | themill | sploodge: :) |
| 10:14.36 | themill | sploodge: It's amazing how temporary fixes (not solutions!) like that are still around years later though... Look at Windows, for example. |
| 10:14.45 | sploodge | enouf, to be perfectly honest, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THOSE NUMBERS WORK. :P |
| 10:14.55 | enouf | sploodge: look for extraneous or conflicting rc2.d symlinks, and run update-rc.d |
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| 10:15.13 | enouf | sploodge: they run in numerical order ;-) |
| 10:15.33 | enouf | sploodge: /msg dpkg rcconf - visit the debian-administartion URL |
| 10:15.36 | sploodge | enouf, should S30gdm be in /etc/rc2.d? |
| 10:15.45 | enouf | sploodge: i don't use gdm ;-) |
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| 10:16.15 | sploodge | It looks like it should... |
| 10:16.33 | enouf | sploodge: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2006-05-01 05:18 /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm -> ../init.d/kdm |
| 10:16.52 | sploodge | enouf, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2008-04-26 09:46 S30gdm -> ../init.d/gdm? |
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| 10:17.03 | enouf | sploodge: pastebin out put of ~$ ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*gdm for others to review |
| 10:17.13 | sploodge | enouf, rather, is there a S99kdm in rc2.d and rc3.d? |
| 10:17.33 | enouf | sploodge: 30 seems to low, should be 99 ? not sure - i don't use gdm |
| 10:17.40 | enouf | s/to/too |
| 10:18.01 | sploodge | enouf, what's kdm in /etc/rc3.d? |
| 10:18.08 | enouf | sploodge: rc2.d through rc5.d are usually all the same by default |
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| 10:18.20 | enouf | sploodge: you haven't read what i told you to |
| 10:18.46 | enouf | and /msg dpkg runlevels |
| 10:19.02 | sploodge | http://pastebin.ca/996934 |
| 10:19.07 | enouf | gotta go .. ciao |
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| 10:20.54 | spoown | Hello all !! Does anyone use any blade server ? |
| 10:22.00 | abs512 | hi, i need some help configuring my network, can any1 assist? |
| 10:23.10 | Guerin | !anyone use any blade server ? |
| 10:23.10 | dpkg | No, no one uses any blade server, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:23.19 | Guerin | !ask |
| 10:23.19 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:25.55 | spoown | I only wanted to known, if it is possible to use a blade server without the chassis ? any idea ? |
| 10:26.38 | pumpkin0 | spoown: IBM blade ? Yes, but you need a lot of external stuff. |
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| 10:27.09 | Quag7 | I am running stable. Is there a way to pull down the latest kernel sources from unstable without switching to the unstable branch? Or is it better to download the vanilla kernel sources from kernel.org? |
| 10:27.20 | abs512 | how can I identify which network device is which, i mean, is there any ls... for this? |
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| 10:27.52 | pumpkin0 | abs512: try "dmesg | grep eth0". Or mii-tool |
| 10:27.52 | enouf | sploodge: makes sense that if /etc/rc.local works, that 99 is more correct, since if you ls -l /etc/rc?.d/*rc.local you see it's S99 ;-) (and the /init.d/rc.local reviews/runs/sources what's in /etc/rc.local read the files' contents) |
| 10:28.04 | sploodge | enouf, fixed. :D |
| 10:28.41 | abs512 | ok, thank you pumpkin0 |
| 10:28.41 | sploodge | enouf, I reinstalled splashy and purged it. |
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| 10:28.56 | enouf | ok |
| 10:30.13 | enouf | really goes now .. i'm such a procrastinator sometimes |
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| 10:31.05 | liable | amongst other things.. ;) |
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| 10:32.50 | spoown | Pumpkin0 , yes IBM blade ! which stuff do I need so ? I thought that it would be possible to plug a power cable to the blade, and enjoy it :) but as I never touch one of them... |
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| 10:33.19 | pumpkin0 | spoown: well, there is no PSU inside. The PSU is in the Blade-center ... |
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| 10:35.34 | frukt_ | hi, a debian n00b here. a simple question. i have an etch workstation at work, and when i run firefox (aka iceweasel) the fonts don't look too pretty. running firefox from a remote machine (an unknown distro / version) with the same profile, the fonts look much more polished and pleasant. i took screenshots for comparison: |
| 10:35.34 | frukt_ | http://i32.tinypic.com/2e3tvup.png |
| 10:35.34 | frukt_ | http://i28.tinypic.com/27x2ck8.png |
| 10:35.34 | frukt_ | any ideas? i do have root access on the local machine, so installing any packages is possible. |
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| 10:37.06 | frukt_ | hi, a debian n00b here. a simple question. i have an etch workstation at work, and when i run firefox (aka iceweasel) the fonts don't look too pretty. running firefox from a remote machine (an unknown distro / version) with the same profile, the fonts look much more polished and pleasant. i took screenshots for comparison: |
| 10:37.16 | frukt_ | http://i32.tinypic.com/2e3tvup.png vs http://i28.tinypic.com/27x2ck8.png |
| 10:37.22 | jelly | no need to repear, frukt_ |
| 10:37.29 | frukt_ | sorry |
| 10:37.41 | jelly | np |
| 10:37.59 | frukt_ | i got kicked, thought that the message didn't go through |
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| 10:38.07 | Lethargy_4 | you might want to install a few fonts and change the default in ice weasel. |
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| 10:38.20 | jelly | frukt_: it's usign a different font. |
| 10:38.44 | Steven_M | hi all |
| 10:38.47 | jelly | frukt_: note the capital G, for example |
| 10:38.53 | Lethargy_4 | this is usually asked a lot, a quick google search probably will find more useful information, and be a little quicker. |
| 10:38.54 | frukt_ | the firefox profiles are the same |
| 10:39.07 | themill | fr33k: font substitution will come into it though. |
| 10:39.21 | frukt_ | sure, i googled it |
| 10:39.21 | Steven_M | does anyone here know how to make a usb headset the default device? |
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| 10:39.51 | frukt_ | it didn't really point me in a right direction |
| 10:39.51 | WormFood | hhhmmm....I'm using xrandr to output to a 2nd monitor on my laptop, but I can not get any of my music visualisations on the 2nd monitor, but other things like videos works....any idea how I can make that work? |
| 10:39.57 | Lethargy_4 | Steven_M: that usually isn't a good idea, what happens if you unplug the headset? |
| 10:40.20 | Lethargy_4 | what you need is for it to be assigned the same everytime. |
| 10:41.14 | Steven_M | Lethargy_4: just trust me I need to do it. |
| 10:41.50 | Lethargy_4 | check your udev rules and assign it from their. |
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| 10:42.34 | exo2k | hi |
| 10:42.41 | exo2k | is it possible to apt-get eve online? |
| 10:43.05 | jelly | exo2k: it's not free software. thus, not available in debian |
| 10:43.18 | streuner | !+tell exo2k -about search |
| 10:43.18 | dpkg | told exo2k about search. |
| 10:43.32 | Steven_M | Lethargy_4: How do I do that? |
| 10:43.35 | exo2k | right |
| 10:43.35 | streuner | !eve |
| 10:43.35 | dpkg | it has been said that eve is short for E V I L |
| 10:43.37 | exo2k | thanks |
| 10:44.15 | exo2k | streuner, don't assume, i already apt-cache search'd :< |
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| 10:44.32 | Lethargy_4 | I believe a few debian wiki articles have been written about changing the udev rules, to suit usb devices. |
| 10:44.56 | exo2k | thanks anyways |
| 10:45.00 | Lethargy_4 | I would start their as it involves reading the default rules, and changing a few config files. |
| 10:45.03 | streuner | exo2k: why do you ask then? |
| 10:45.48 | streuner | or do you think someone has a magic mirror? ;-) |
| 10:45.53 | exo2k | i dunno, just wondering, it's always best to ask. |
| 10:45.55 | exo2k | pretty much. |
| 10:46.29 | exo2k | lets just hope they have a torrent :P |
| 10:47.03 | frukt_ | about the font thing ... is this applicable to Xorg/etch? http://web.archive.org/web/20050306015258/http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 10:47.51 | Lethargy_4 | the only limiting factor would be the available fonts, other than that it should be the same. |
| 10:48.08 | Lethargy_4 | for example say you want some new tt fonts, etch might not have them. |
| 10:48.37 | Steven_M | Lethargy_4: doing the equivilent with alsa only requires a file in the home dir, can't you do a similar thing for oss? |
| 10:48.38 | Lethargy_4 | but even with that you can check backports, and could install them yourself. |
| 10:49.38 | Lethargy_4 | probably, but as you know oss has been deprecated. |
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| 10:50.06 | vjoe | hehy |
| 10:50.12 | vjoe | hey* :x |
| 10:50.40 | Lethargy_4 | then you need to consider other users, if they don't have the file they will not be able to have avaiable. |
| 10:50.53 | exo2k | !dpkg tell me about .deb |
| 10:50.54 | exo2k | lol |
| 10:50.56 | YodaYoda | exo2k: There is a deb on the eve site. |
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| 10:51.00 | Steven_M | Lethargy_4: yes, but I need oss for a certain abb |
| 10:51.02 | exo2k | o_O |
| 10:51.03 | vi390 | hi, I need a sata drive tool which recognizes silicon image chipsets. (I tried the Sea Disk tool, but it can not recognize sata controllers') |
| 10:51.08 | exo2k | YodaYoda, you fucking psychic? :< |
| 10:51.10 | vi390 | any suggestion ? |
| 10:51.31 | exo2k | My bad for the language but just freaked me out. |
| 10:51.43 | Steven_M | Lethargy_4: I'm the only user of this comp |
| 10:52.03 | Lethargy_4 | shouldn't be a problem, then |
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| 10:53.00 | YodaYoda | exo2k: Yes, hence my name :). 'dpkg -i /path/to/file' to install it. |
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| 10:53.34 | exo2k | hahaha |
| 10:53.49 | Steven_M | Lethargy_4: I can't get oss to use the headset. |
| 10:53.58 | exo2k | wow yoda you are more useful then dpkg in some ways o_O |
| 10:54.14 | Lethargy_4 | not good, what about alsa! |
| 10:54.30 | Lethargy_4 | what sound card are you using. |
| 10:56.31 | Steven_M | this app works better with oss, it can use oss through the internal speeker but not with the headset? |
| 10:57.16 | exo2k | wow |
| 10:57.21 | exo2k | 500kb/s i'm amazed |
| 10:57.38 | Steven_M | Lethargy_4: I have to go bed |
| 10:57.45 | Wyzard | Steven_M: You know ALSA provies an OSS-compatibility layer, right? |
| 10:57.54 | Wyzard | Steven_M: There's no need to use an actual OSS driver |
| 10:58.47 | Steven_M | Wyzard: It doesn't work with wine |
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| 10:58.58 | Steven_M | night all |
| 10:59.31 | Quag7 | What is the difference between linux-tree and linux-source ? |
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| 11:00.05 | spoown | pumpkin0, so I won't be able to use it... :( |
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| 11:01.36 | Quag7 | nevermind |
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| 11:06.51 | Haris1 | How can I free /dev/sda1 so I can add it back to md0? Whenever I run mdadm -a /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 I get this -> mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy |
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| 11:07.12 | Haris1 | A reboot fixes this. What does a reboot do? |
| 11:07.18 | exo2k | heh |
| 11:07.21 | exo2k | haris |
| 11:07.23 | exo2k | umount it |
| 11:07.37 | exo2k | before unplugging |
| 11:07.39 | Haris1 | exo2k: Its not mounted. |
| 11:07.48 | Haris1 | umount says |
| 11:07.57 | exo2k | did you mount it before? |
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| 11:08.13 | Haris1 | It was part of the raid1 array, before it was kicked out |
| 11:08.41 | Haris1 | Nope, I can't mount this partition |
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| 11:08.50 | exo2k | o |
| 11:09.11 | Haris1 | I/O errors on 2 sectors, afainoticed |
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| 11:09.46 | Wyzard | Haris1: You shouldn't add that device back to your RAID array if it has I/O errors |
| 11:10.03 | pumpkin0 | spoown: unless you build your own PSU and coolingsystem and maybe even storage (depends on the model) |
| 11:10.05 | Haris1 | Wyzard: So far, its hasn't proved to be detrimental |
| 11:10.29 | Wyzard | Haris1: The I/O errors are most likely the reason it got kicked out of the array in the first place |
| 11:10.33 | Haris1 | I can't boot with the new kernel unless I get both the drives sync'd |
| 11:10.42 | Haris1 | Wyzard: I know that |
| 11:11.06 | Wyzard | Haris1: I/O errors indicate a failing disk, which can only get worse |
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| 11:11.28 | Haris1 | Wyzard: well, the smartools check didn't bring up even a single error |
| 11:11.52 | Wyzard | Haris1: short test or long? |
| 11:12.12 | Haris1 | long |
| 11:12.20 | ootput | moinmoin |
| 11:12.33 | Wyzard | OK, then the errors could've been something external (bad cable, or maybe just something overheating) |
| 11:12.38 | Wyzard | as long as they're not recurring |
| 11:13.29 | Haris1 | I'll pull and re-put its cable when I can |
| 11:13.38 | Haris1 | Its temp is usually around 40degrees |
| 11:13.40 | Haris1 | afaict |
| 11:13.50 | Haris1 | how does one see the smartctl output? |
| 11:14.10 | Haris1 | Current Drive Temperature: 43 C |
| 11:14.10 | Haris1 | Drive Trip Temperature: 75 C |
| 11:14.19 | Haris1 | hmm, I need to bring it down |
| 11:14.26 | Haris1 | Elements in grown defect list: 0 |
| 11:14.34 | Wyzard | ok |
| 11:14.38 | Wyzard | The disk itself is probably OK then |
| 11:14.57 | Haris1 | how do I get it unmounted to put it back in the array? |
| 11:15.21 | Wyzard | It shouldn't be mounted |
| 11:15.32 | Haris1 | http://pastebin.ca/996960 |
| 11:15.36 | Wyzard | Unless your array is a raid1, it probably *can't* be mounted even if you tried |
| 11:16.05 | Haris1 | I rebooted it in the morning and tried to rebuild the array. During the work, it showed io errors and just stopped |
| 11:16.07 | Haris1 | it is raid1 |
| 11:16.24 | Haris1 | I know it'll work again after another reboot |
| 11:16.37 | Haris1 | but, is there no way to save this reboot? |
| 11:16.58 | Wyzard | If it encountered errors while rebuilding, that means you have a recurring problem -- something went wrong originally which kicked the drive out of the array, and something went wrong again while resyncing |
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| 11:17.36 | Haris1 | this is the first time this happened |
| 11:17.37 | Wyzard | since the drive self-test didn't find any internal problems, your cable and disk controller are suspect |
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| 11:17.50 | Haris1 | maybe the room temperature needs to be cooler |
| 11:17.54 | abs512 | hi, i need some help setting up my ip tables, basically i want a gateway that routes connections coming from eth2 to eth0 and use the internal loopback adress (127.0.0.1:3128) for redirection, can soemone help me, PLEASE? |
| 11:18.01 | Haris1 | so the box's internal temp is better |
| 11:18.08 | abs512 | i have a base script and which needs to be modified to achieve this here http://pastebin.com/d13011bfe |
| 11:18.22 | Haris1 | its a branded box |
| 11:18.30 | Haris1 | I expected it to be much cooler than normal ones |
| 11:19.18 | Wyzard | 40C should be OK for a hard drive, though the best place to check would be the drive's spec sheet |
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| 11:19.54 | NekoKun | I'm reading about netinst and businesscard inst, and got a question: wich are the basic packages? |
| 11:20.12 | Wyzard | I'd try a different cable |
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| 11:21.08 | ootput | i can't find it in man (5) interfaces, but is it possible to specify dns servers for connections? |
| 11:21.48 | Wyzard | ootput: DNS servers go in /etc/resolv.conf, and they're system-wide, not per-interface |
| 11:22.01 | sploodge | Does anyone get a hard-freeze of X when using OpenGL? |
| 11:22.06 | ootput | Wyzard: thankyou |
| 11:22.17 | sploodge | (for a while, not instantly) |
| 11:22.28 | Wyzard | ootput: The "resolvconf" package lets you put DNS servers in your interfaces file and have them be added/removed from resolv.conf when interfaces go up and down,though |
| 11:22.30 | sploodge | Or, rather, who gets frequent X hard freezen? |
| 11:22.38 | sploodge | s/freezen/freezes/ |
| 11:23.24 | Wyzard | sploodge: A few years ago I used to have intermittent lockups from the nVidia driver, though only in one system (I think it may have been hardware-related)... nothing like that lately though |
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| 11:23.41 | sploodge | Wyzard, ahh, I'm using the nVIDIA driver. |
| 11:24.05 | sploodge | Wyzard, this happened with ArchLinux, even with nv. |
| 11:24.44 | ootput | sploodge: have you tried not using nvidia for the module? |
| 11:24.51 | ootput | whoops, delayed |
| 11:25.01 | Wyzard | sploodge: The nv driver doesn't do hardware 3D acceleration so using OpenGL shouldn't be anything special that could trigger a lockup |
| 11:25.21 | abs512 | Can someone please look at my script, I really need to finish this job, PLEASE |
| 11:25.50 | ootput | abs512: why the urgency? |
| 11:26.10 | sploodge | Wyzard, this happens more frequently when I use OpenGL apps. |
| 11:26.28 | abs512 | i have to deliver the machine in 3 hours or I get fired :( |
| 11:27.15 | Wyzard | sploodge: OpenGL doesn't trigger any special code paths in the video driver if you're using nv (rather than nvidia), but programs that use GL do tend to be more CPU-intensive (especially when using software rendering) |
| 11:27.15 | sploodge | abs512, what script? |
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| 11:27.24 | Wyzard | sploodge: so it could be an overheating CPU or something |
| 11:27.33 | SlayerXP | abs512: sounds like you should start job hunting then |
| 11:27.43 | Wyzard | abs512: It'd be better to use a firewall package rather than writing iptables rules by hand |
| 11:28.15 | Wyzard | much simpler to maintain |
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| 11:29.03 | abs512 | I'm using firestarter as firewall package |
| 11:29.24 | abs512 | but firestarter can't start the fire(wall) |
| 11:29.55 | abs512 | the script is here http://pastebin.com/d13011bfe |
| 11:30.17 | sploodge | Oww. iptables hurt my head. |
| 11:31.23 | Wyzard | abs512: It'd help to mention what happens when you try to start firestarter |
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| 11:32.40 | Haris1 | how can I forcefully free /dev/sda1 ? |
| 11:33.11 | Wyzard | Haris1: free it from what? |
| 11:33.16 | abs512 | it says the connection eth1 (i.e. lan) is not ready and that i should check my network device settings and make sure my internet connection is active |
| 11:33.35 | ootput | Haris1: chains of oppression? |
| 11:33.48 | ootput | let my scsi go! |
| 11:33.53 | Haris1 | free of anything that's making the box tell me -> the device in use or busy error message |
| 11:34.20 | spoown | Haris1, un mount the file system on it ! |
| 11:34.26 | Wyzard | abs512: sounds like your network interface (eth0 or whatever) isn't "up"... but it shouldn't need to be, and I'm surprised if firestarter requires that |
| 11:34.33 | Haris1 | spoown: That's genocide |
| 11:34.39 | Haris1 | hard drives have rights, you know |
| 11:35.03 | Wyzard | Haris1: Since the partition is a component of a raid1 array, you shouldn't be mounting it directly, so make sure it isn't mounted |
| 11:35.11 | Wyzard | Haris1: Check /proc/mdstat to make sure it's not already "in" the array |
| 11:35.21 | Wyzard | Haris1: and use lsof to see what else might have it open |
| 11:35.45 | Haris1 | md0 : active raid1 sda1[2](F) sdb1[1] |
| 11:35.45 | Haris1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:35.51 | sandman | What's the general opinion about EVMS? Over-engineered solution to a non-problem? Does more damage than good? |
| 11:35.59 | Wyzard | Haris1: yep, it's there, in failed state |
| 11:36.23 | Wyzard | Haris1: mdadm --remove /dev/md0 /dev/sda1 |
| 11:36.41 | Haris1 | aha! |
| 11:36.41 | abs512 | should I use another firewall package instead? Or try to fix that via iptables? |
| 11:36.42 | Haris1 | that did it |
| 11:36.53 | Wyzard | abs512: I'd recommend FireHOL |
| 11:36.57 | Haris1 | its rebuilding it now |
| 11:37.09 | Haris1 | now why didn't I think of removing it from the array, that way |
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| 11:37.15 | Wyzard | abs512: I'm not sure how you'd "fix that via iptables" when firestarter's confusion seems to be that the interface is down |
| 11:37.15 | Haris1 | I thought it was already kicked out |
| 11:37.19 | Haris1 | wasn't it? |
| 11:37.29 | sploodge | Wyzard, my computer crashed and the temperature was normal. |
| 11:37.30 | Wyzard | Haris1: It was marked failed, but that's different from actually removing it |
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| 11:37.48 | Haris1 | so it was not kicked out |
| 11:38.10 | Wyzard | Haris1: It was kicked out in the sense that it's no longer kept in-sync with the array |
| 11:38.20 | Haris1 | makes sense |
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| 11:38.39 | Haris1 | should I run fsck on it before re-adding it to the array? |
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| 11:39.11 | Haris1 | can fsck check raid1 partitions? |
| 11:39.23 | Wyzard | Haris1: no, because its contents are irrelevant; the rebuild process will completely overwrite it with the correct contents based on the remaining part of the array |
| 11:39.23 | abs512 | i read in a forum that you could fix that by definign the iptable or by removing the reference to the the eth device or soemthing |
| 11:39.58 | Wyzard | abs512: That doesn't make much sense and sounds like someone trying to apply a band-aid to something they don't understand |
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| 11:40.12 | Wyzard | abs512: iptables does *not* require interfaces to be up before you can define rules for them |
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| 11:40.23 | Haris1 | completely over-write it! |
| 11:40.24 | Haris1 | wow! |
| 11:40.31 | abs512 | that's what i thought... |
| 11:40.33 | Wyzard | abs512: It doesn't require them to even *exist* yet afaik |
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| 11:40.51 | Haris1 | OOf! |
| 11:40.56 | Haris1 | the drive temp is 48degrees |
| 11:41.01 | Haris1 | bbl |
| 11:41.10 | recklessop | i woke up this morning to find that my mail/webserver was no longer sending or recieving mail. so i tried to ssh in and after i enter my password and hit enter it hangs... all websites are still functioning. and when i try to login to webmin it hangs on authentication too |
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| 11:41.18 | recklessop | what could be doing this? |
| 11:41.34 | recklessop | i had a vnc session open so i can vnc in and run a non su shell |
| 11:41.50 | Wyzard | recklessop: Use that shell to check dmesg for errors |
| 11:41.54 | abs512 | got FireHOL now, let's see if that fixes the problem |
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| 11:42.00 | recklessop | server load is at .37 (on a dual xeon server with HT) |
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| 11:43.08 | abs512 | brb |
| 11:43.09 | rhineheart_m | hello.. can anybody here help me in setting up bind9? |
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| 11:47.21 | recklessop | rhineheart_m the simplest way i have found was to apt-get install bind then get webmin and use it to administer bind |
| 11:47.25 | recklessop | makes it really simple |
| 11:47.55 | Wyzard | I'd recommend getting a book on DNS (e.g. O'Reilly's "DNS & BIND") |
| 11:48.00 | rhineheart_m | okay.. I have installed ISPConfig in my box actually and it is working fine.. do you have an experience with it? |
| 11:48.07 | Wyzard | since "setting up BIND" isn't really much more than writing your zonefiles |
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| 11:48.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | is using dnsmasq quite happily in place of bind |
| 11:49.08 | Wyzard | is too |
| 11:49.29 | recklessop | rhineheart_m nope not much |
| 11:49.34 | Wyzard | but that's only suitable in certain situations (e.g. typical home network, not real Internet nameserver) |
| 11:49.53 | rhineheart_m | anybody in the house who have tried ISPConfig? |
| 11:50.00 | recklessop | rhineheart_m i think with ispconfig you just add accounts and it does the dns config for you |
| 11:50.15 | recklessop | unless you want something non typical .. ie more then www. ftp. and mail. |
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| 11:55.11 | exo2k | YodaYoda, around? |
| 11:55.43 | Akuw | what application is there to create animated images (like flash) |
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| 11:56.16 | timonator | synfig studio is cool |
| 11:56.29 | Akuw | where can i get? |
| 11:56.43 | timonator | apt-get synfig-studio or something, hold on a second |
| 11:56.49 | YodaYoda | exo2k: Yep. |
| 11:56.57 | timonator | apt-get install synfigstudio |
| 11:57.47 | Akuw | E: Couldn't find package synfigstudio |
| 11:57.53 | Akuw | what repo ? |
| 11:58.43 | timonator | there's apparently one for lenny and one for sid, but not for the current stable |
| 11:58.44 | Wyzard | Akuw: It's not in etch |
| 11:59.46 | Wyzard | eww, synfigstudio indirectly pulls in libgtk1.2 |
| 11:59.48 | Wyzard | via libdv-bin |
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| 12:03.37 | Akuw | i am synfig.org, but there is no version to etch, what can i use? |
| 12:05.09 | soulinx | hello..I have 2 sata hard disks ..One has debian with grub on mbr and the other Win xp..When I add in grub menu.lst an entry to point to the second drive in order to boot win xp it fails saying unknown filesystem type.(I have copied the syntax from the examples of grub) .Any ideas?(and yes I am booting the right drive (hd1,0) |
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| 12:06.09 | exo2k | hey |
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| 12:06.24 | exo2k | how do you launch eve online? |
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| 12:09.35 | dokma | guys, my apps still using utc instead of gmt+1 which is my localtime |
| 12:09.40 | dokma | anyone got an idea |
| 12:09.52 | dokma | my hwclock is set to utc |
| 12:10.06 | dokma | in /etc/defaults/rcS.d UTC=yes |
| 12:10.28 | dokma | in /etc/timezone is Europe/Zagreb |
| 12:10.36 | streuner | Dual-Boot? |
| 12:10.44 | dokma | debian only machine |
| 12:10.53 | soulinx | anyone? |
| 12:11.06 | zamuro | !anyone |
| 12:11.06 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:12.17 | soulinx | zamuro: I didn't ask if you use any program :-) |
| 12:12.38 | streuner | dokma: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:13.01 | dokma | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 12:13.22 | streuner | dokma: well, that file doesnt exist in Debian |
| 12:13.33 | dokma | which file? |
| 12:13.41 | rhineheart_m | by the way.. which performs better in server environment without GUI... debian or ubuntu? |
| 12:13.51 | streuner | there is /etc/default/rcS but NOT /etc/defaults/rcS.d |
| 12:13.58 | ignotus | hello, I have filenames with special characters which i would like to change to something else, but I have to know their decimal values, how can I get that information? |
| 12:14.10 | streuner | rhineheart_m: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 12:14.13 | dokma | you're right |
| 12:14.16 | dokma | it was rcS |
| 12:14.25 | rhineheart_m | awares though that he's asking in the debain channel...hope to get honest answer |
| 12:14.26 | dokma | and that's where I have UTC=yes |
| 12:15.01 | dokma | streuner: what does your 'date -u' say ? |
| 12:15.23 | streuner | apis:/etc/default# date -u |
| 12:15.23 | streuner | Fr 25. Apr 12:15:11 UTC 2008 |
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| 12:15.39 | dokma | alright, we have the "same" UTC :) |
| 12:15.56 | dokma | my local time should be +2 hours in GMT+1 due to the daylight savings |
| 12:16.14 | dokma | and my KDE tray clock is showing that exact time |
| 12:16.22 | dokma | 14:16 |
| 12:16.35 | dokma | but the labels in chatzilla are showing UTC |
| 12:16.54 | dokma | and my reminder is using UTC, which is rather nasty cause I get reminded of stuff 2 hours too late |
| 12:17.07 | streuner | hehe |
| 12:17.34 | zeitsofas | did anybody knows what i need to install a scanner ? xsane cant find my hp 2410 all in one (under ubuntu it runs perfectly withe xsane) |
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| 12:17.37 | rhineheart_m | I'm sure you all here are aware about heron which was just released... now.. can anybode compare it with version 4 of debian? |
| 12:17.39 | streuner | just try to set UTC=no |
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| 12:18.03 | streuner | rhineheart_m: sorry, but i use Debian... |
| 12:18.19 | crazyfrog | my music player like amarok or juk always crash with repeating the sound at the point it crashed |
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| 12:19.05 | ootput | rhineheart_m: wtf is heron? |
| 12:19.19 | streuner | prolly an ubuntu version |
| 12:19.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | rhineheart_m, please dont ask about ubuntu or comparisons with ubuntu in here. |
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| 12:21.10 | crazyfrog | my music player like amarok or juk always crash with repeating the sound at the point it crashed,what is the problem? |
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| 12:21.12 | rhineheart_m | sorry for that Kamping_Kaiser... I was just curious of it... I am aware though that ubuntu is based on debian.. |
| 12:21.16 | fas3r | hello everybody |
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| 12:22.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | rhineheart_m, /msg dpkg based on debian |
| 12:23.23 | Wyzard | rhineheart_m: Comparison of hardy vs. etch in a nutshell: hardy has newer software (because it's released more recently) and is aimed more at convenience for desktop users, but follows a less rigorous quality-control and release process and is less suitable for things like mission-critical servers |
| 12:23.38 | Wyzard | rhineheart_m: That's true of pretty much any Debian release and any later Ubuntu release |
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| 12:24.19 | Symbi0nt | Hi, what are the needed steps to install an webmailer on a debian rootserver? |
| 12:24.21 | streuner | is searching for a big sledgehammer... |
| 12:24.32 | Symbi0nt | apache and vhosts are there |
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| 12:24.50 | ic3Fr0g | Hi |
| 12:24.52 | streuner | Wyzard: why do you must always give recommendations for ubuntu? |
| 12:24.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | Symbi0nt, your question made absolutely no sense at all |
| 12:25.03 | Wyzard | That's not a recommendation, it's a comparison |
| 12:25.14 | rhineheart_m | thanks Wyzard for that response.. |
| 12:25.19 | streuner | well, your comparisons sucks then |
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| 12:25.33 | Symbi0nt | Kamping_Kaiser: sure? I have a root server I have a domain I want email + webmail to access them on that server |
| 12:25.37 | ic3Fr0g | I got installed windwos on my machine i just downloaded linux.. how can i got and linux and windows..?? |
| 12:25.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | just finished telling rhineheart_m #debian people wouldnt be able to provide a comparison :p |
| 12:25.41 | exo2k | lol |
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| 12:25.51 | Wyzard | streuner: Feel free to provide a longer and more detailed one |
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| 12:25.57 | evilbelgian | hi guys |
| 12:26.11 | sploodge | Wyzard, I've crashed about 4 times already. |
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| 12:26.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | Symbi0nt, not sure why being a root server is relevent (or a dns server at all) |
| 12:26.15 | Symbi0nt | exim or postfix? for a start? |
| 12:26.17 | ic3Fr0g | I got installed windwos on my machine i just downloaded linux.. how can i got and linux and windows..?? |
| 12:26.24 | evilbelgian | i've run across a bit of a problem and forgotten my administrator password |
| 12:26.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | Symbi0nt, exim is debians default mailer. |
| 12:26.35 | exo2k | im getting 500kb/s on Wifi woot ;] |
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| 12:26.39 | Wyzard | sploodge: today? |
| 12:26.45 | streuner | ic3Fr0g: just /msg dpkg ig |
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| 12:26.50 | sploodge | Wyzard, yes. |
| 12:26.52 | streuner | ic3Fr0g: and read that |
| 12:26.59 | sploodge | Wyzard, CPU temperature normal. |
| 12:27.00 | YodaYoda | soulinx: Try using root(hd1,0); makeactive; chainloader +1; boot; to chainload the windows bootloader. I don't think that grub can boot windows itself. |
| 12:27.13 | Wyzard | sploodge: Try running some things that are CPU-intensive but don't use OpenGL |
| 12:27.25 | Wyzard | sploodge: and things that are RAM-intensive too -- defective RAM is a possibility |
| 12:27.31 | sploodge | Wyzard, like? |
| 12:27.31 | Wyzard | sploodge: (Running memtest wouldn't be a bad idea) |
| 12:27.42 | ic3Fr0g | streuner : i need something to boot from windows to linux. |
| 12:27.53 | ic3Fr0g | and from Linux to windows |
| 12:28.08 | streuner | ic3Fr0g: there is goodbye-microsoft.com or such :-) |
| 12:28.09 | ootput | an irc ban is what you need |
| 12:28.15 | Wyzard | sploodge: I'd boot a virtual machine in VMware or render a big scene in povray |
| 12:28.49 | exo2k | ic3Fr0g lol... |
| 12:29.00 | mardi | ic3Fr0g: you need grub |
| 12:29.02 | streuner | ic3Fr0g: use that http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ :-) |
| 12:29.07 | ic3Fr0g | streuner : you have right but until i learn a little bit the linux i cant get of linux lol |
| 12:29.07 | exo2k | lmao |
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| 12:29.12 | rhineheart_m | can you recommend here the use of ISPCOnfig in debian? |
| 12:29.18 | exo2k | just deleted windows after getting sick of it 3 days ago |
| 12:29.23 | streuner | rhineheart_m: no |
| 12:29.29 | sploodge | Wyzard, this good: http://www.travelnotes.de/rays/grandcan/grandcan1.jpg |
| 12:29.35 | streuner | rhineheart_m: i would recommend a hardware-router |
| 12:29.51 | streuner | less headaches and easy |
| 12:29.55 | ic3Fr0g | so can anyone help me??? |
| 12:30.01 | Wyzard | sploodge: That's just a JPEG file |
| 12:30.05 | ic3Fr0g | i need something to change from linux to windows |
| 12:30.11 | sploodge | Wyzard, it has a .pov thing. |
| 12:30.15 | streuner | ic3Fr0g: oh :-) |
| 12:30.16 | ic3Fr0g | dont give me unusles links that i got them lolz |
| 12:30.19 | exo2k | vmware? or there was another one |
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| 12:30.22 | sploodge | Wyzard, that's the pov traced. |
| 12:30.24 | sploodge | Wyzard, http://www.travelnotes.de/rays/grandcan/canyon.pov |
| 12:30.43 | streuner | ic3Fr0g> i need something to change from linux to windows |
| 12:30.56 | rhineheart_m | streuner, your concerns are more on configuration side.. how about security side? |
| 12:30.58 | ic3Fr0g | Yes boot somethig i told ya :P |
| 12:31.07 | ic3Fr0g | i dont want delete my widndows |
| 12:31.11 | ic3Fr0g | or i will have problem |
| 12:31.14 | streuner | ic3Fr0g: we support Debian |
| 12:31.18 | Wyzard | sploodge: You could try it, though that's a fairly simple scene |
| 12:31.22 | sandman | How much benefit is there left in having many partitions? I was just wondering with the advent of journaling filesystems and such, how much benefit there was left in doing that. |
| 12:31.23 | ic3Fr0g | couse i dont know to use linux |
| 12:31.32 | sploodge | Wyzard, any suggestions, then? :P |
| 12:31.44 | Wyzard | sploodge: You could also try the "cpuburn" package |
| 12:31.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, depends why you have the partitions. |
| 12:32.03 | exo2k | ic3Fr0g do you have freespace partition? |
| 12:32.11 | sandman | Kamping_Kaiser: I have a reason not to use multiple partitions: Simplicity =) |
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| 12:32.22 | ic3Fr0g | streuner: i asked if you know any program that i can boot from windows to linux and you only have gived me download links that i know.. that means HELP = 0 |
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| 12:32.32 | Wyzard | sploodge: or recompress some video |
| 12:32.33 | Lagbolt | ic3Fr0g, what do you mean? |
| 12:32.36 | Lagbolt | boot to linux? |
| 12:32.44 | Lagbolt | you mean reboot windows and load linux? |
| 12:32.45 | Cripps | I always keep my /home on a separate partition, for obvious reasons ;) |
| 12:32.48 | Symbi0nt | any recommandation to install plesk? |
| 12:32.48 | sandman | I suppose having multiple partitions would normally save on restore time, but that's as much as I can think of. |
| 12:32.49 | ic3Fr0g | to have on same machine and windows and linux |
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| 12:32.53 | Symbi0nt | is that a good idea? |
| 12:32.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, there are reasons like seperate /boot for old bios's, or /tmp for security, or /home for portability :) |
| 12:32.55 | Symbi0nt | :) |
| 12:32.55 | exo2k | ic3Fr0g, google |
| 12:32.59 | Lagbolt | ic3Fr0g, dual bood :) |
| 12:33.01 | Lagbolt | boot |
| 12:33.06 | Lagbolt | do you only have windows now? |
| 12:33.11 | ic3Fr0g | yes |
| 12:33.11 | exo2k | ic3Fr0g, i doubt you will get anywhere with it and probably destroy your system. |
| 12:33.12 | sploodge | Wyzard, I can't say I'm feeling the effects of CPUBurn. |
| 12:33.13 | Lagbolt | and you want to install linux? you ened to be clear |
| 12:33.25 | sandman | Kamping_Kaiser: How would having a separate /tmp improve security? |
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| 12:33.30 | dokma | streuner: check my "UTC" now: date -u output 14:33:08 UTC |
| 12:33.37 | sploodge | Wyzard, gnome-system-monitor says CPU is at 100%. No crash. |
| 12:33.39 | dokma | it's 2 hours ahead |
| 12:33.55 | dokma | my apps are now on the correct time |
| 12:33.56 | Wyzard | sploodge: Leave it running for awhile, then run memtest |
| 12:33.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, you can set no-exec on it, so scripts on servers cant run malicious code from there. stuff like that |
| 12:34.00 | ic3Fr0g | so you are 822 linux users noone can help me omg :S |
| 12:34.04 | streuner | dokma: cool |
| 12:34.08 | dokma | and kde tray clock is 2 hours ahead |
| 12:34.11 | Lagbolt | ic3Fr0g, XP or vista? |
| 12:34.14 | ic3Fr0g | XP |
| 12:34.15 | streuner | hehe |
| 12:34.17 | exo2k | ic3Fr0g you don't want to listen.. |
| 12:34.19 | Wyzard | sploodge: and see if you can find something that does lots of graphics but doesn't involve OpenGL, e.g. watching a fullscreen movie |
| 12:34.35 | exo2k | if you have windows installed and oyu have a partition or seperate hard drive with free space on it |
| 12:34.41 | streuner | dokma: run kde control or such |
| 12:34.42 | exo2k | then just install debian |
| 12:34.44 | Lagbolt | ic3Fr0g, you need to chksk the xp partition in windows then use a live cd to resize the ntfs partition so you have space to install linux |
| 12:34.55 | exo2k | debian will find the windows partition automatically and configure grub |
| 12:35.01 | Lagbolt | oh he has a partition already? |
| 12:35.02 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 12:35.03 | ic3Fr0g | i got 2 hard drives |
| 12:35.09 | Lagbolt | dude just run debian installer |
| 12:35.11 | ic3Fr0g | 2 partitions |
| 12:35.12 | Wyzard | ic3Fr0g: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 12:35.13 | Lagbolt | and you are done |
| 12:35.17 | exo2k | ic3Fr0g, well be very careful... |
| 12:35.33 | Lagbolt | just dont pick the windows drive to install on :) |
| 12:35.37 | sploodge | Wyzard, It's coping fairly well, with CPUBurn and POV- |
| 12:35.38 | sploodge | Ray. |
| 12:35.42 | dokma | streuner: I'm messing with it now |
| 12:35.46 | exo2k | grub is the program that switch from windows to linux |
| 12:35.49 | sandman | Kamping_Kaiser: Would using noexec with /tmp affect usability at all? |
| 12:35.50 | dokma | streuner: but all of this feels so contrived |
| 12:35.58 | ic3Fr0g | my question whose how i choose operating system and switch between windwos linux..? |
| 12:35.59 | sandman | Kamping_Kaiser: I mean are there any theoretical drawbacks to this? |
| 12:36.00 | dokma | it should be on UTC=yes |
| 12:36.04 | exo2k | ic3Fr0g GRUB |
| 12:36.05 | dokma | with bios clock set to UTC |
| 12:36.07 | Lagbolt | ic3Fr0g, is it this computer you are on now or another one? |
| 12:36.15 | dokma | and apps should realize that they should use localtime |
| 12:36.15 | Wyzard | ic3Fr0g: You get a menu during startup when you choose which OS to boot |
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| 12:36.18 | ic3Fr0g | im on computer now |
| 12:36.21 | dokma | with daylight savings |
| 12:36.25 | sep | ic3Fr0g, if you have 2 disks you can just install debian, and dont select the windows partition when it ask what disk to use. the rest should be automatic, |
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| 12:36.33 | ootput | is it possible to retrieve the mozilla gnash plugin without the heartache of the gnome-dependencies? |
| 12:36.39 | Lagbolt | hmm so no laptop or anything, might be in your best interest to be able to get online while installing to search for answers |
| 12:36.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | sandman, yes it can. |
| 12:36.52 | Wyzard | ic3Fr0g: Each time you reboot, you see the menu, and you choose either Windows or Linux |
| 12:37.01 | Wyzard | ic3Fr0g: If you want to switch, you reboot and use the menu again |
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| 12:37.11 | ic3Fr0g | Wyzard it is any porgram or something that allows me to switch from windows to linux and from linux to windows without restart my pc? |
| 12:37.12 | sandman | Kamping_Kaiser: Huh. |
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| 12:37.18 | Wyzard | ic3Fr0g: no |
| 12:37.25 | sep | ic3Fr0g, when it ask if you want to use UTC in the hardware clock, you should say no. otherways windows will mess up the time on your machine |
| 12:37.30 | exo2k | unless he uses vmware lol |
| 12:37.31 | ic3Fr0g | so i need nessesary reboot |
| 12:37.32 | sploodge | Wyzard, nope, nothing happened. |
| 12:37.32 | sandman | Kamping_Kaiser: This would explain why it's not a default, then =) |
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| 12:37.36 | exo2k | or something of the equivalent |
| 12:37.43 | ic3Fr0g | vmware do the job ? |
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| 12:43.26 | iKernel | thank you |
| 12:43.27 | iKernel | got an error message in gnome, Failed to run /usr/bin/software-properties as user root. Failed to fork new process: No such file or directory |
| 12:43.46 | chronographer | dpkg no public key |
| 12:43.52 | exo2k | ic3Fr0g dont use it. |
| 12:43.53 | ootput | awesome! ubuntu-comparison-flood! |
| 12:44.03 | chronographer | hello? |
| 12:44.03 | Wyzard | ic3Fr0g: Programs like VMware, VirtualBox, and qemu can let you run Windows as a program within Linux, or Linux as a program within Windows |
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| 12:44.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | azeem, cheers |
| 12:44.10 | azeem | chronographer: please restate your problem |
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| 12:44.18 | chronographer | Hi. I have my root partition as reiserfx, every time I boot I get a fsck error. it comes down to: fsck died with exit status 9. i can crtl d and OS starts up fine, how can I get rid of this error? |
| 12:44.22 | iKernel | also happens with other programs. anybody know what i might be missing? |
| 12:44.24 | azeem | iKernel: why do you need to run it as root? |
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| 12:44.34 | chronographer | is it related to UUID? |
| 12:44.43 | ootput | chronographer: shouldn't be |
| 12:44.45 | iKernel | azeem, i don't know, but it also happens with synaptic which you need to run as root |
| 12:44.57 | azeem | chronographer: how much RAM do you have? |
| 12:44.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian doest use UUID afaik |
| 12:45.03 | chronographer | plenty. 1gb |
| 12:45.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | suspects its an ubuntuism |
| 12:45.23 | chronographer | oops. |
| 12:45.29 | Wyzard | Kamping_Kaiser: it can |
| 12:45.35 | ic3Fr0g | so you guys suggnest me use a program like this? :)) |
| 12:45.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wyzard, can, but i'm not aware of it using it by default |
| 12:45.57 | Haris1 | Ok |
| 12:46.07 | ootput | speaking of bootloaders, are any ofyou experimenting with grub2? What are your impressions? |
| 12:46.46 | azeem | ootput: if grub1 works, no need to switch, IME |
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| 12:47.23 | Haris1 | Wyzard: the raid rebuild didn't work, so I ran fsck, got an enormous ammount of orphan inodes that needed to be cleared. After running fsck many times on /dev/sda1 , fsck reported at the end mentioned ALL those times the device has 0 bad blocks |
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| 12:49.22 | exo2k | anybody here have eve on debian? |
| 12:49.32 | chronographer | i tried it but it wouldn't run |
| 12:49.34 | Haris1 | there are only read errors, which suggests, the over-heating might be causing it |
| 12:49.41 | Wyzard | Haris1: First of all, running fsck on a component of a RAID array makes no sense |
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| 12:49.50 | exo2k | i got eve running only problem is all the text is white lol |
| 12:49.53 | Haris1 | I'm now re-building raid1 |
| 12:49.55 | iKernel | No one knows about the error? |
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| 12:50.05 | Haris1 | Wyzard: well, it was not part of the raid at the time |
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| 12:50.19 | Haris1 | ..and! it gave me a good idea of the problem |
| 12:50.33 | Haris1 | I can't just paste what's on B to A and hope it'll work |
| 12:50.36 | Wyzard | Haris1: doesn't matter |
| 12:50.47 | Haris1 | the inconsistency errors need to be removed |
| 12:50.51 | Wyzard | Haris1: no they don't |
| 12:51.11 | Wyzard | Haris1: You ran fsck on an individual *component* of a RAID array, which is not synced to the array |
| 12:51.25 | Haris1 | I can say I'm right, because this time the array is building |
| 12:51.28 | Wyzard | Haris1: The contents of that partition are *irrelevant* and will be *completely ovewritten* with correct data by the reabuild |
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| 12:52.04 | Haris1 | Wyzard: can we run fsck on raid partitions? or do we have to individually remove components and run checks? |
| 12:52.30 | Wyzard | Haris1: You run fsck on the array device itself, e.g. /dev/md0 |
| 12:52.46 | sep | Haris1, you run fsck on filesystems |
| 12:52.49 | Wyzard | Haris1: In general, the contents of the individual component devices are opaque and should be ignored |
| 12:52.50 | Haris1 | can that be done while the box is running or at another tiem? |
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| 12:52.53 | Haris1 | time+ |
| 12:53.30 | Haris1 | its 97.7% done |
| 12:53.31 | Wyzard | Haris1: raid1 is a special exception becase you can see the filesystem on the individual partitions (that's not true with other raid levels) but you shouldn't do anything with it directly |
| 12:53.57 | Haris1 | Wyzard: I'm talking about fsck, not performing a deep level check myself |
| 12:54.01 | Wyzard | Haris1: A component of a RAID array is a component of a RAID array and nothing else, no matter what filesystem might appear to be directly on it |
| 12:54.18 | Wyzard | Haris1: right, and I'm saying fsck is meaningless and wrong on a component of a RAID array |
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| 12:54.31 | Haris1 | well, this time I was asking about the raid partition |
| 12:54.33 | Haris1 | =) |
| 12:54.34 | Wyzard | Haris1: It's only meaningful on the entire assembled array, not on the individual component devices |
| 12:54.52 | Haris1 | Ok. Can I perform fsck while the box is running? |
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| 12:55.07 | chronographer | do you pronounce it deb-ian or dee-bian? |
| 12:55.19 | SlayerXP | chronographer: the former |
| 12:55.21 | Haris1 | chronographer: I pronounce it dee-bian |
| 12:55.28 | Wyzard | Haris1: The fact that fsck found inconsistencies on your sda1 is because sda1 is a halfway-synced raid1 component... fsck finding inconsistencies there is normal, expected, and irrelevant |
| 12:55.40 | chronographer | thats what I thought, its supposed to be the former, I usually say the latter |
| 12:55.54 | Haris1 | Wyzard: I'm past that. Let's talk about the fsck on md0 |
| 12:55.58 | Wyzard | Haris1: You can't fsck a filesystem while it's mounted |
| 12:55.59 | ootput | anyone know which xsetroot entry provides a striped background of alternating shades of grey? |
| 12:56.11 | Haris1 | So, I should do it on bootup? |
| 12:56.19 | chronographer | like linux. i say lye-nux... it should be li-nx |
| 12:56.20 | Wyzard | yes |
| 12:56.31 | chops | Haris1: You can fsck a mounted read-only filesystem, I believe |
| 12:56.32 | Wyzard | If you "touch /forcefsck" and reboot, the startup scripts should do it automatically |
| 12:56.33 | Haris1 | ok, that means a reboot :( |
| 12:56.45 | Haris1 | chops: raid1 partition is ro? |
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| 12:56.48 | Wyzard | Haris1: Why do you feel you need to run fsck? |
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| 12:57.17 | Haris1 | Wyzard: because there might be inconsistencies on the partition on the 2nd drive as well |
| 12:57.30 | chops | Haris1: Forget about the RAID1 partition. As Wyzard said, you must absolutely never treat a component of a RAID1 array as a filesystem, even if it seems to be possible. It will cause serious problems. |
| 12:57.35 | Wyzard | Haris1: Have you had I/O errors on sdb? |
| 12:57.37 | Haris1 | md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[1] |
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| 12:58.03 | Haris1 | Wyzard: read errors, yes, nothing significant |
| 12:58.09 | Haris1 | in smartctl output |
| 12:58.25 | Wyzard | Haris1: so you've had I/O errors on both your hard drives, but the drives themselves report no internal problems according to SMART |
| 12:58.34 | Haris1 | yep |
| 12:58.42 | Haris1 | must be because of temperature |
| 12:58.43 | chops | Haris1: You can remount /dev/md0 read-only and then run the fsck if you're seriously opposed to just rebooting and letting the system do it for you |
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| 12:58.57 | chops | Haris1: Though if errors are found and corrected, you must reboot before remounting the partition read-write. |
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| 12:59.19 | Haris1 | chops: How would the system run if I bring down md0? lol. Ofcourse, I"ll do it on the next reboot |
| 12:59.25 | Wyzard | Haris1: then that's the problem you need to fix first... find out what's interfering with your disk I/O |
| 12:59.44 | chops | Haris1: I did not say anything about bringing down md0. |
| 12:59.56 | spx2 | is /var/cache deleted at every boot ? |
| 13:00.22 | Wyzard | chops: You can't remount the root filesystem read-only while the system is in normal operation |
| 13:01.00 | Wyzard | assumes Haris1 is using md0 as the root filesystem |
| 13:01.04 | chops | Wyzard: True, but you can drop to single-user mode and do it. |
| 13:01.16 | Wyzard | chops: Even in single-user mode you have to kill some processes |
| 13:01.20 | Wyzard | chops: things like syslog |
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| 13:01.41 | Wyzard | chops: There's no real advantage over just rebooting |
| 13:01.47 | chops | Wyzard: Do you? ISTR being able to remount / read-only at some point, but I could just be misremembering. |
| 13:02.15 | Wyzard | chops: If *any* process has *any* file open for writing on the filesystem, you can't remount ro |
| 13:02.30 | Wyzard | You'll get "device or resource busy" IIRC |
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| 13:03.13 | chops | Wyzard: Perhaps my memory was from a system with the "lot of little partitions" setup, so I had /var and /home on different partitions or something. |
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| 13:03.32 | Wyzard | It's possible to do it by killing most of your processes, then starting them up again manually when you're done, but that's basically just a reboot aside from the kernel not being reloaded |
| 13:03.32 | spx2 | is /var/cache deleted at every boot ? |
| 13:03.40 | iKernel | funkyou, lol, my mp3 player's company is Life! Get funked! hehehe |
| 13:03.41 | Wyzard | spx2: no |
| 13:04.29 | spx2 | Wyzard: then why is my /var/cache/locate/locatedb changing every couple of hours given that the only place where it is changed is /etc/cron.daily/find at 5:05 AM every morning ? |
| 13:04.43 | Wyzard | no idea |
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| 13:06.11 | ronr | I send mail from my website but it that mail can't be delivered, I want to have it bounced to a different mailbox than the From: address. I make the mail by creating a file and sending it with sendmail -t < file, how do I set the bounce address? |
| 13:06.57 | ronr | the server runs debian with exim btw |
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| 13:07.26 | Wyzard | ronr: You could set the Reply-To header in the mail, though I'm not sure whether bounce messages will honor that |
| 13:07.50 | ronr | Wyzard: I'll try |
| 13:09.05 | engla | Is there a central page where changes to packaging policy are posted? So that I (non-DD sponsored maintainer) can have some easy checklist to be sure I didn't miss any recent packaging news |
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| 13:09.15 | sep | ronr, -f senderaddress afaik but you should read man exim, about trusted vs untrusted users |
| 13:09.19 | sandman | Does ext3 have Bad Block Relocation? |
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| 13:09.27 | sandman | That is, doesn't the filesystem do it on its own? |
| 13:09.27 | ronr | Wyzard: but that'll also send replis to the mail to that box, and I want those to get into the From box |
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| 13:10.01 | ronr | sep: I already set www-data to trusted user, but I'll check the -f option |
| 13:10.02 | abrotman | !info badblocks etch |
| 13:10.03 | Wyzard | sandman: Modern hard drives do that internally, transparently to software |
| 13:10.21 | sandman | If that's the case, why does EVMS list it as one of its features? |
| 13:10.22 | Akuw | abrotman: hi man |
| 13:10.26 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:10.38 | abrotman | sandman: there is badblocks also |
| 13:10.40 | Akuw | can i use http://packages.debian.org/source/synfigstudio on etch ? |
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| 13:11.09 | Wyzard | sandman: for use with older disks, or ones that have run out of spare sectors and can't remap bad blocks internally anymore (though such disks really ought to be replaced) |
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| 13:11.41 | Akuw | or better i use this http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-synfig/synfigstudio/tarballs/?rev=0&sc=0 |
| 13:11.51 | sandman | It just seems like EVMS introduces a lot of complexity, and offers very little in return. |
| 13:11.57 | abrotman | Akuw: i thought etch had synfig ? |
| 13:11.59 | Wyzard | sandman: Anyway, ext3 does maintain a bad-blocks list, which can be modified by fsck, but I doubt it remaps things automatically during normal operation |
| 13:12.15 | Wyzard | sandman: EVMS doesn't really seem to have caught on, from what I've seen |
| 13:12.17 | abrotman | !tell Akuw about ssb |
| 13:12.18 | Wyzard | sandman: though LVM has |
| 13:12.19 | sandman | Oh, so the EVMS thing is done on-the-fly |
| 13:12.25 | abrotman | Akuw: you can try what dpkg just told you, it may or may not work |
| 13:12.30 | Wyzard | sandman: no idea; I've never used EVMS |
| 13:12.59 | ronr | sep: the -f option does exactly what I was looking for, thx |
| 13:13.26 | dokma | guys, I found an interesting discrepancy in my system |
| 13:13.27 | dokma | manual for hwclock says this: --show Read the Hardware Clock and print the time on Standard Output. The time shown is always in local time, even if you keep your Hardware Clock in Coordinated Universal Time. |
| 13:13.29 | dokma | however my system outputs this: hwclock --show |
| 13:13.31 | dokma | Pet 25 Tra 2008 13:12:56 -0.532573 seconds |
| 13:13.32 | dokma | which is UTC time |
| 13:13.58 | Wyzard | dokma: "local time" means whatever timzone your system thinks it's in |
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| 13:14.20 | dokma | Wyzard: I have Europe/Zagreb in /etc/timezone |
| 13:14.26 | dokma | so it should think GMT+1 |
| 13:14.29 | dokma | but it does not |
| 13:14.45 | sandman | Can LVM resize partitions on-the-fly that are currently mounted/ |
| 13:15.03 | Wyzard | dokma: Does "date" show UTC too? |
| 13:15.09 | Wyzard | sandman: yes |
| 13:15.12 | dokma | yes |
| 13:15.23 | sep | sandman, lvm YES; but your filesystem might not like it |
| 13:15.28 | dokma | it kind of seems to me this is a hardware thing |
| 13:15.31 | Wyzard | sandman: though that just resizes the block device; one has to resize the filesystem as a separate step |
| 13:15.38 | dokma | cause I replace the MBO+CPU+RAM a week ago |
| 13:15.38 | chops | sandman: FWIW I had the same reaction to EVMS -- I deployed it on a server here, and it turned out to be a big disaster. A lot of the tools simply don't work, and all the useful functionality was implemented in other layers. It basically seemed like an enormous amount of added complexity with the only added benefit being that you can resize filesystems and partitions with a single operation. |
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| 13:15.42 | sep | ext3 with resize_inode option can grow (not reduce) while mounted |
| 13:15.45 | dokma | and that is when this started happening |
| 13:15.53 | chops | sandman: I removed it once I had a chance, and I'm now much happier with raw LVM2 |
| 13:15.53 | Wyzard | sandman: (ext3 and reiser support enlarging while mounted, but not shrinking) |
| 13:15.54 | dokma | perhaps my realtime clock driver is faulty |
| 13:16.01 | Wyzard | dokma: sounds like your system's clock is just wrong |
| 13:16.04 | ofx | Hi germang |
| 13:16.18 | dokma | Wyzard: my hwclock is set to UTC |
| 13:16.20 | dokma | and that is correct |
| 13:16.26 | sep | sandman, etch installer add the resize_inode option, if you make the fs yourself you have to add -o resize_inode when you mkfs |
| 13:16.38 | dokma | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.46 | dokma | and my timezone is set correctly |
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| 13:17.05 | dokma | all of this should amount to the system knowing it should add 2 hours to hwclock to get localtime |
| 13:17.14 | Wyzard | dokma: UTC=yes doesn't mean your hardware clock *actually* contains UTC, just that the startup scripts interpret it as UTC |
| 13:17.16 | sandman | The Snapshot feature appeared interesting, I suppose. |
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| 13:17.27 | sandman | Of EVMS, but of course, almost nothing in EVMS appears to work for me. |
| 13:17.34 | dokma | Wyzard: ahhh, that's an interesting observation |
| 13:17.36 | chops | sandman: LVM can do snapshots too |
| 13:17.43 | Wyzard | dokma: Like I said, it sounds like your clock is just wrong |
| 13:17.51 | sandman | Oh. |
| 13:18.01 | dokma | so my system clock should be set to localtime at boot ? |
| 13:18.05 | engla | starter points on a sid chroot? |
| 13:18.13 | sandman | Is there a GUI for LVM2? |
| 13:18.15 | chops | sandman: Basically EVMS is just a wrapper around various volume management systems that presents a consistent interface to all of them... but if you're on Linux, the only sensible volume management system is LVM2. So why use the wrapper? |
| 13:18.43 | chops | sandman: 'apt-cache search lvm gui' says no :-( |
| 13:18.44 | sandman | chops: I don't know. It also supports setting up RAID systems, I guess. |
| 13:18.59 | dokma | Wyzard: correct me if I'm wrong. hwclock reads the hardware clock set in bios. date reads the system clock which is a totally separate entity ? |
| 13:19.03 | dokma | is that right? |
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| 13:19.20 | Wyzard | dokma: The system clock is initialized at boot time by reading the BIOS clock |
| 13:19.29 | dokma | copy that |
| 13:19.33 | dokma | so with my settings |
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| 13:19.37 | Wyzard | dokma: and at shutdown, the time from the system clock is saved to the BIOS clock |
| 13:19.47 | dokma | what should the system clock contain? localtime ? |
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| 13:20.03 | Wyzard | dokma: local time |
| 13:20.18 | dokma | output of date is from system clock right ? |
| 13:20.35 | fireba11 | hi, my / partition seems to have taken quite a beating, lots of fsck errors. the box is still running, but i'm sure i won't be able to reboot. data is stored on other partitons that are fine. any tips how i go on about reinstalling everything ? |
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| 13:20.43 | Wyzard | dokma: UTC=yes or UTC=no just control whether a timezone adjustment is done when loading the system clock from the BIOS clock during startup, and when saving it back to the BIOS clock at shutdown |
| 13:20.48 | Wyzard | dokma: yes |
| 13:20.56 | Wyzard | dokma: so if your BIOS clock is wrong, your system clock will be wrong too |
| 13:21.10 | dokma | Wyzard: according to what I understand the system clock is set correctly |
| 13:21.13 | sandman | Are there any severe drawbacks to just using a single partition on a hddisk? |
| 13:21.19 | Wyzard | dokma: and since you replaced your motherboard, you replaced your BIOS clock, and probably forgot to set the correct time on the new one |
| 13:21.23 | dokma | it outputs this: root@david:/home/vlatko# date |
| 13:21.25 | dokma | Pet Tra 25 13:20:37 UTC 2008 |
| 13:21.27 | sandman | As in, having only one partition on a drive, and using a swapfile instead of a swap partition? |
| 13:21.39 | sandman | Just /dev/sda1. That's it. |
| 13:21.45 | dokma | Wyzard: my bios clock is set to UTC |
| 13:21.59 | dokma | and the time is correct |
| 13:22.02 | Wyzard | sandman: swapfiles are slightly less efficient than swap partitions, but that's the only "problem" I know of |
| 13:22.14 | Wyzard | dokma: If you reboot and go into the BIOS, you actually see the correct UTC time displayed there? |
| 13:22.19 | dokma | however all my apps are using UTC instead of localtime |
| 13:22.24 | dokma | that is correct |
| 13:22.24 | killerchicken | Hi, I noticed that the manpage of caff lies about what the tool really does. The source can be fetched from http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/signing-party/ What is the correct debian procedure to report this? Should I mail one of the maintainers, all of them, or open a bug report somewhere? |
| 13:22.30 | killerchicken | Thanks for your suggestions |
| 13:22.32 | sandman | If that's the case, what's the deal with using so many different partitions |
| 13:22.51 | sandman | And additionally, what's the benefit of using LVM2, EVMS, or anything like that, for that matter. |
| 13:23.03 | Wyzard | sandman: One reason for using multiple partitions is that if one filesystem fills up, it doesn't interfere with others |
| 13:23.03 | idimmu | so you can expand |
| 13:23.11 | idimmu | we have 30 xen virtual servers on one box |
| 13:23.14 | sandman | I can still see the benefit of using MD/RAID, but the rest of it I'm not so sure about. |
| 13:23.17 | idimmu | all with LVM2 partitions |
| 13:23.21 | Wyzard | sandman: e.g. if users fill up /home, it doesn't bring down the rest of the system |
| 13:23.24 | idimmu | when one starts to grow we can just expand |
| 13:23.32 | sandman | Wyzard: But what about quotas? |
| 13:23.36 | Wyzard | sandman: I use LVM so I can resize my filesystems in the future if my needs change |
| 13:23.44 | idimmu | /var/log doesnt do quotas sandman |
| 13:23.49 | idimmu | neither does /var/lib |
| 13:23.52 | dokma | Wyzard: I'll try reboot into another kernel |
| 13:23.58 | dokma | and see if that makes any difference |
| 13:24.03 | Wyzard | dokma: A different kernel is unlikely to make a difference |
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| 13:24.21 | Wyzard | dokma: Just use the date command to set the correct time |
| 13:24.33 | Wyzard | dokma: (or something like ntpdate that can set it more accurately, if you prefer) |
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| 13:24.58 | dokma | I already used ntpdate |
| 13:25.12 | dokma | and synchronized with and ntp server about a 100 yards away from me |
| 13:25.19 | Wyzard | dokma: You used ntpdate but the "date" command still shows the wrong time? |
| 13:25.33 | dokma | date shows the correct time |
| 13:25.42 | dokma | but apps use the time from the wrong timezone |
| 13:25.55 | dokma | apps don't "understand" I am in GMT+1 |
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| 13:25.59 | Wyzard | dokma: OK, now run "hwclock --systohc --utc" to store the current system time as UTC to the BIOS clock |
| 13:26.10 | Wyzard | dokma: apps should be showing the same date that the "date" command shows |
| 13:26.25 | Wyzard | that is, local time |
| 13:26.38 | dokma | this is output of date |
| 13:26.46 | dokma | Pet Tra 25 13:26:32 UTC 2008 |
| 13:26.50 | dokma | it's UTC time |
| 13:26.56 | dokma | it does not print localtime |
| 13:27.01 | themill | dokma: so you don't have the right timezone set |
| 13:27.17 | dokma | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:27.24 | dokma | I believe that is all I should set |
| 13:27.28 | dokma | or is it? |
| 13:27.36 | Wyzard | dokma: Run "tzselect" to be sure |
| 13:27.44 | dokma | I did already |
| 13:27.49 | dokma | will do again |
| 13:27.52 | themill | tzconfig if this is etch |
| 13:28.15 | dokma | Local time is now: Fri Apr 25 15:27:53 CEST 2008. |
| 13:28.17 | dokma | Universal Time is now: Fri Apr 25 13:27:53 UTC 2008. |
| 13:28.22 | dokma | this is what tzselect says |
| 13:28.23 | themill | :) |
| 13:28.27 | dokma | and it is correct |
| 13:28.45 | themill | indeed (and you are UTC+2 atm not UTC+1 because of summer time) |
| 13:29.01 | dokma | that is correct |
| 13:29.03 | dokma | however |
| 13:29.11 | dokma | the problem is that apps use UTC time |
| 13:29.15 | dokma | instead of localtime |
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| 13:29.27 | Wyzard | dokma: What apps? |
| 13:29.28 | dokma | for example |
| 13:29.33 | themill | dokma: because "date" is outputting UTC.... |
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| 13:29.40 | dokma | the time label next to the messages in this chat |
| 13:29.46 | dokma | are in UTC not in GMT+1 |
| 13:29.57 | dokma | themill: why is date outputing UTC |
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| 13:30.03 | dokma | when my timezone is set |
| 13:30.16 | Wyzard | wonders if that could be a locale setting of some sort |
| 13:30.35 | themill | yeah... |
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| 13:30.48 | dokma | so tzselect show correct localtime |
| 13:30.58 | dokma | obviously the system knows my local timezone |
| 13:31.13 | dokma | but apps are getting UTC obviously through some system call |
| 13:31.18 | dokma | likely through the libc |
| 13:31.37 | dokma | now all of this is caused by me replacing my mobo |
| 13:31.44 | dokma | so it might be some hardware issue |
| 13:31.47 | Wyzard | dokma: no it isn't |
| 13:31.58 | dokma | that is when it started at least |
| 13:32.15 | Wyzard | dokma: Assuming your computer isn't crashing or misbehaving in other ways, your hardware is fine |
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| 13:32.17 | dokma | prior to that I had a perfectly functional time setup |
| 13:32.35 | dokma | I didn't intend to say hardware is malfunctional |
| 13:32.50 | dokma | only that the modo switch might have caused the issue at hand |
| 13:32.56 | Wyzard | The system clock is maintained in software by the kernel |
| 13:33.09 | Wyzard | and has nothing to do with hardware (other than the general fact that software runs on the processor and uses RAM) |
| 13:33.20 | dokma | I understand that now |
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| 13:33.35 | themill | dokma: is the TZ environment variable set? |
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| 13:33.49 | Wyzard | doesn't have $TZ set |
| 13:33.54 | dokma | echo $TZ is empty under root |
| 13:34.09 | dokma | and under an ordinary user |
| 13:34.16 | sandman | As far as I knew, quotas work on a per-user basis. |
| 13:34.19 | themill | Wyzard: try it... TZ=Australia/Sydney date |
| 13:34.45 | sandman | So the potential issue of having users fill up /home would be mitigated using quotas, even if there was only one partition for the entire system. |
| 13:34.52 | Wyzard | themill: gives me .au time |
| 13:35.00 | dokma | to me it does not |
| 13:35.07 | themill | dokma: so if you run "TZ=Europe/Zagreb date" it's OK? |
| 13:35.09 | dokma | my date output remained the same |
| 13:35.15 | themill | hmmm |
| 13:35.18 | dokma | to me it does notoh |
| 13:35.21 | dokma | like that it does |
| 13:35.25 | dokma | on the same line |
| 13:35.27 | kunwon1 | dokma, what does date -u output? |
| 13:35.32 | Wyzard | sandman: Using separate filesystems also limits the scope of damage from filesystem corruption |
| 13:35.54 | Wyzard | sandman: and lets you use different mount options and filesystem parameters |
| 13:35.58 | dokma | vlatko@david:~$ date -u |
| 13:36.00 | dokma | Pet Tra 25 13:35:44 UTC 2008 |
| 13:36.17 | sandman | Wyzard: Oh that's a good point |
| 13:36.31 | Wyzard | sandman: (e.g. by default ext3 reserves 5% of the filesytem for use only by root, but I disable that on /home because root doesn't need to store files there and other users do) |
| 13:36.32 | sandman | You can tailor the options depending on how the fs will be used. |
| 13:36.32 | dokma | is there a switch for date to print localtime? |
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| 13:37.05 | kunwon1 | Not a switch, maybe with formats |
| 13:37.28 | dokma | this is weird |
| 13:37.32 | sandman | brb |
| 13:37.37 | dokma | my KDE tray clock is showing correct local time |
| 13:37.37 | kunwon1 | I concur. |
| 13:37.39 | themill | yeah, on the same line... and I get your time quite happily.... I wonder if you're missing the TZ database or something |
| 13:37.41 | themill | dokma: is there anything in /usr/share/zoneinfo/? |
| 13:38.10 | dokma | themill: a bunch of stuff |
| 13:38.17 | Wyzard | dokma: Try "date +%X" |
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| 13:38.48 | dokma | I have this file: /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Zagreb |
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| 13:39.02 | dokma | root@david:/home/vlatko# date +%X |
| 13:39.04 | dokma | 13:38:48 |
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| 13:39.24 | Wyzard | dokma: %X means "localeâs time representation" according to the manpage for date |
| 13:39.31 | Wyzard | so it does sound like a locale thing |
| 13:39.41 | dokma | obviously |
| 13:39.44 | helo | is wpasupplicant the only requirement for WPA wireless communication, if non-encrypted wifi is already working? |
| 13:39.51 | dokma | so the system is not aware of locale settings |
| 13:40.04 | Wyzard | helo: afaik, yes, though a frontend like NetworkManager is helpful |
| 13:40.20 | Wyzard | dokma: What does "echo $LANG" say? |
| 13:40.30 | dokma | hr_HR |
| 13:40.37 | Wyzard | hmm, that seems right for you |
| 13:40.42 | dokma | it is |
| 13:40.54 | msan | helo: as far as I can tell, yes. |
| 13:41.01 | dokma | root@david:/home/vlatko# TZ=Europe/Zagreb date +%X |
| 13:41.03 | dokma | 15:40:46 |
| 13:41.18 | Wyzard | and I assume that UTC is not the normal way to write times in Croatian culture |
| 13:41.31 | dokma | obviously not |
| 13:41.44 | helo | anyone know how to utilize the wpa password given by linksys autoconfig? (where you push the little glowing cisco button and click on a button on a windows machine, and it gives you a password) |
| 13:41.46 | dokma | otherwise my reminder would not remind me 2 hours late of everything :) |
| 13:41.50 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 13:41.56 | dokma | TZ=Europe/Zagreb date +%X |
| 13:41.58 | dokma | that works |
| 13:41.59 | helo | i won't have internet access once i try to get this set up, so i need to make sure i know what to do ;) |
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| 13:42.04 | dokma | it displays correct time |
| 13:42.07 | Wyzard | now that's interesting |
| 13:42.10 | themill | dokma: have you tried dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ? |
| 13:42.21 | dokma | themill: sounds like a good idea |
| 13:42.25 | dokma | let me check that out |
| 13:42.26 | Wyzard | You said that changing TZ doesn't help when running "date" by itself, right? |
| 13:42.46 | msan | helo, is that a software thing you're talking about ? |
| 13:43.06 | dokma | root@david:/home/vlatko# date |
| 13:43.07 | dokma | Pet Tra 25 15:42:50 CEST 2008 |
| 13:43.12 | dokma | works now |
| 13:43.13 | kunwon1 | hoorah |
| 13:43.18 | Wyzard | yay :-) |
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| 13:43.35 | dokma | I'll go give the system a reboot |
| 13:43.41 | dokma | and see if the apps pick it up |
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| 13:43.47 | dokma | time labels in this chat |
| 13:43.48 | Wyzard | You shouldn't need to reboot |
| 13:43.53 | dokma | are still 1 hour behind |
| 13:43.53 | helo | msan: yes |
| 13:43.57 | Wyzard | though you might need to restart programs |
| 13:44.05 | helo | the first button you press is on the linksys router |
| 13:44.10 | dokma | reminder picked it up |
| 13:44.19 | dokma | but chatzilla lags behind |
| 13:44.28 | Wyzard | Any newly-started processes should use the new timezone setting |
| 13:44.32 | Wyzard | so just restart chatzilla |
| 13:44.35 | dokma | I'll do a reboot do to all of the services running on the machine |
| 13:44.39 | kunwon1 | you'll have to close all firefox windows to get a real restart from chatzilla methinks |
| 13:44.40 | Wyzard | ok |
| 13:44.52 | dokma | see you soon |
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| 13:46.09 | msan | helo: I don't think that there is an equivalent thing under wpa_supplicant. None that I am aware of. Why not just create a password and then md5 encode it and stick it in the config file for wpasupplicant ? |
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| 13:47.28 | edwin_quijada | estoy usando pico para editar mis programas hay alguna forma de ponerle colores a la sintaxis |
| 13:47.43 | edwin_quijada | para perl,c y php |
| 13:47.53 | edwin_quijada | estoy en ambiente texto trabajando |
| 13:48.09 | Wyzard | !es |
| 13:48.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 13:48.17 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 13:48.25 | Haris1 | looks like I opted for too much debug info in the new kernel |
| 13:48.25 | amphi | edwin_quijada: no; you should try vim, perhaps |
| 13:48.48 | msan | or emacs :) |
| 13:48.49 | edwin_quijada | Oops!! Sorry I didnt see that I am come inti #debain |
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| 13:49.03 | edwin_quijada | Sorry for the language |
| 13:49.05 | Haris1 | however, even when I selected all iptables modules to be (*) rather than (M), now its telling me it can't find iptables_nat |
| 13:49.22 | amphi | msan: ;) |
| 13:49.30 | Haris1 | # modprobe iptables_nat |
| 13:49.30 | Haris1 | FATAL: Module iptables_nat not found. |
| 13:49.31 | Wyzard | Haris1: That's because there is no iptables_nat *module*, because it's built into the kernel |
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| 13:49.34 | Haris1 | where can I check for this mod? |
| 13:49.48 | Haris1 | Wyzard: well, why isn't it working then? |
| 13:49.55 | Haris1 | o.o |
| 13:50.00 | Wyzard | Haris1: What's not working about it? |
| 13:50.10 | Haris1 | my nat rules are not working |
| 13:50.13 | Haris1 | my masq rules aren't working |
| 13:50.16 | Haris1 | I can't use that box as a router |
| 13:50.37 | Haris1 | brb in 5mins. |
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| 13:50.50 | Wyzard | Does "iptables -L -t nat" list your rules? |
| 13:50.56 | Wyzard | If so, lack of NAT support is not your problem |
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| 13:51.20 | dokma | time is perfect as far as an eye can reach |
| 13:51.35 | dokma | thank you guys |
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| 13:52.07 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 13:52.33 | uzbek | is there anyone here who have worked with chineese text? |
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| 13:53.28 | uzbek | i need to paste some chinese text to web, can't |
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| 13:54.20 | dokma | seems to me like that would be more of a gui thing |
| 13:54.21 | chops | uzbek: I've pasted Chinese text to the web before. What encoding is your system set to use, and what's happening when you try to paste it? What web site? |
| 13:55.42 | uzbek | chops, my encoding is utf8, when i open the hmtl (local) i can't see any chinese characters but squares |
| 13:56.01 | chops | uzbek: Do you have Chinese fonts installed? |
| 13:56.32 | uzbek | chops, maybe, i thought Times new roman should have some fonts |
| 13:56.39 | chops | uzbek: Can you pastebin the results of feeding the squares to 'od -t x1'? |
| 13:56.39 | uzbek | characters* |
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| 13:56.56 | chops | uzbek: Times New Roman will not include Chinese characters to my knowledge |
| 13:57.00 | greenmanwitch | Hello! I am very new to the world of debian :) |
| 13:57.13 | greenmanwitch | I don't actually have a debian box but I am sshing into one |
| 13:57.27 | uzbek | chops could you tell me what to do in more detail, im newbie :) |
| 13:57.30 | chops | uzbek: That would be bloat from the point of view of most of the users of Times New Roman, since Chinese has quite a few characters |
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| 13:57.40 | greenmanwitch | I am getting this: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://www.backports.org stable/mysql-dsfg Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_stable_mysql-dsfg_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 13:57.44 | greenmanwitch | W: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files |
| 13:57.59 | greenmanwitch | I figured it wanted me to apt-get update |
| 13:58.03 | greenmanwitch | so I did, but it gives errors |
| 13:58.05 | chops | uzbek: Install the xfonts-intl-chinese package and try again |
| 13:58.23 | greenmanwitch | Err http://www.backports.org stable/mysql-dsfg Packages 404 Not Found |
| 13:58.34 | uzbek | chops, ok, thanx :) |
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| 13:58.43 | greenmanwitch | Sorry if I am being a noob, I'd gladly be told to RTFM if you can point me to where I should be reading :) |
| 13:58.55 | petemc | greenmanwitch: dont paste stuff into the channel, put your sources.list into a pastebin |
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| 13:59.23 | greenmanwitch | petemc: ok, but that was <3 lines so I thought it would be ok. |
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| 13:59.45 | freenode | hello guys |
| 14:00.17 | petemc | greenmanwitch: well, you didnt get kicked so aye - but put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 14:01.06 | greenmanwitch | petemc: http://rafb.net/p/8xdt9y19.html |
| 14:02.15 | petemc | greenmanwitch: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 14:03.14 | greenmanwitch | petemc: would I understand that given that this is my first time on Debian? I know my way around Linux, I use gentoo, but still |
| 14:03.40 | greenmanwitch | oh ok |
| 14:03.42 | greenmanwitch | easy stuff |
| 14:04.01 | petemc | if you can read... |
| 14:04.48 | uzbek | chops i installed |
| 14:05.10 | uzbek | should i relogin, or restart the linux? |
| 14:05.13 | timonator | what debian package hosts opengl related header files? such as glext.h? |
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| 14:06.20 | amphi | timonator: install apt-file, do apt-file update, and then apt-file search glext.h |
| 14:06.33 | abrotman | greenmanwitch: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 14:06.51 | timonator | oh ok, thanls |
| 14:06.56 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: I did. |
| 14:07.03 | abrotman | i see |
| 14:07.09 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: :) |
| 14:07.21 | Haris1 | back |
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| 14:07.21 | greenmanwitch | petemc: I already have a backports line |
| 14:07.24 | abrotman | greenmanwitch: read the instructions at backports.org again |
| 14:07.26 | greenmanwitch | petemc: only it is different.. |
| 14:07.44 | Haris1 | # iptables -L -t nat |
| 14:07.44 | Haris1 | iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 14:07.44 | Haris1 | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 14:07.57 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: yes...? |
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| 14:08.57 | abrotman | greenmanwitch: you made a mistake in your backports line |
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| 14:09.08 | uzbek | i have installed xfonts-intl-chinese what should i do? |
| 14:09.17 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: I actually didn't do it, which is why I'm scared to touch it :P |
| 14:09.18 | uzbek | update-fonts-alias? |
| 14:09.19 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: ok |
| 14:09.32 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: as I said, first time in Debian ever. Sshing into a box |
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| 14:09.52 | Maerz | http://packages.debian.net broken? |
| 14:09.58 | abrotman | packages.debian.org ? |
| 14:10.05 | licensed | =/ |
| 14:10.06 | Maerz | <wa.. |
| 14:10.10 | Maerz | *yes .. |
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| 14:10.15 | abrotman | nope .. works fine here |
| 14:10.20 | Maerz | try search sth |
| 14:10.22 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: is the mistake that.. I'm missing main contrib and non-free? |
| 14:10.36 | chops | uzbek: Restarting X (logging out and logging back in) should be sufficient |
| 14:10.49 | Maerz | abrotman, try search sth |
| 14:10.49 | abrotman | greenmanwitch: wait .. let me warm your bottle :) |
| 14:10.57 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: and etch-backports |
| 14:10.59 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: hahahahaha |
| 14:11.02 | abrotman | Maerz: packages.debian.org/grub .. doesn't work for you ? |
| 14:11.12 | Maerz | Internal Server Error |
| 14:11.18 | abrotman | greenmanwitch: the instructions tell you the exact line to add |
| 14:11.27 | abrotman | greenmanwitch: but you probably want to read about the pinning stuff as well |
| 14:11.32 | Maerz | well http://packages.debian.org/grub does work |
| 14:11.37 | Maerz | but search with the text field |
| 14:11.38 | Maerz | not |
| 14:12.00 | Maerz | damn graveman moved to sarge |
| 14:12.05 | Haris1 | If I built the nat module in the kernel, shouldn't the kernel not give me this message? |
| 14:12.07 | abrotman | Maerz: which search? there are two ? |
| 14:12.17 | Haris1 | and have the nat table built in? |
| 14:12.28 | Maerz | http://packages.debian.net/search?keywords=grub&searchon=names&suite=lenny§ion=all |
| 14:12.42 | abrotman | Maerz: .ORG |
| 14:12.43 | Maerz | any small simple grafical cd burner you suggest? |
| 14:12.50 | abrotman | i have no idea if .net even goes to the same place |
| 14:12.51 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: well, I know about the exact line to add but my line also has mysql-dsfg so I got a bit confused. Do I use their line and append mysql-dsfg to the end? |
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| 14:12.59 | abrotman | greenmanwitch: nope |
| 14:13.05 | abrotman | greenmanwitch: read the bit about pinning |
| 14:13.07 | Haris1 | Any ideas what's going on here? |
| 14:13.10 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: ok |
| 14:13.15 | abrotman | Maerz: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=grub&searchon=names&suite=lenny§ion=all |
| 14:13.20 | abrotman | Maerz: see .. works just fine |
| 14:13.27 | Maerz | my bad ^^ |
| 14:13.27 | Wyzard | Haris1: yeah, that ought to work |
| 14:13.32 | N3bunel | brb pauza de masa |
| 14:13.39 | Haris1 | 2) How can I load my old config in make menuconfig? I need to disable all thos edebugging options I selected. I'm getting waaaay more debug info in dmesg |
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| 14:14.01 | uzbek | chops no result :) |
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| 14:14.17 | Haris1 | Is there a way to find out the kernel capability? |
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| 14:14.45 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: I read about pinning, I don't understand it, though. What does it mean by a higher priority? |
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| 14:15.09 | petemc | Haris1: do you have a good reason for building your own kernel? |
| 14:15.19 | Haris1 | petemc: yes |
| 14:15.30 | Haris1 | I choose to, that should be good enough to |
| 14:15.31 | petemc | then i suggest you do some reading |
| 14:15.33 | Haris1 | its open source! |
| 14:15.37 | Haris1 | on? |
| 14:15.44 | petemc | building kernels correctly |
| 14:15.50 | petemc | you seem not to know |
| 14:15.51 | greenmanwitch | lol |
| 14:15.54 | Haris1 | I did read the chapter for stable |
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| 14:15.56 | Haris1 | on kernel building |
| 14:16.03 | petemc | expand your horizons |
| 14:16.03 | Haris1 | not know what? |
| 14:16.08 | petemc | lots |
| 14:16.08 | Haris1 | hmm |
| 14:16.11 | greenmanwitch | Haris1: make oldconfig |
| 14:16.15 | dokma | Haris1: did you try make oldconfig ?? |
| 14:16.19 | dokma | google it |
| 14:16.26 | greenmanwitch | dokma: ner neh! I beat you! :P |
| 14:16.29 | Haris1 | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 14:16.37 | Haris1 | oops, not this one |
| 14:16.41 | dokma | greenmanwitch: not on my output |
| 14:16.43 | Haris1 | dokma: No |
| 14:16.46 | dokma | hehe :) |
| 14:16.53 | SlayerXP | petemc: i asked him the same question. he didn't, and he's been here asking questions for the past 2 days |
| 14:16.55 | greenmanwitch | dokma: well on mine.. |
| 14:16.57 | Haris1 | I ran make menuconfig; make; make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image |
| 14:17.02 | petemc | SlayerXP: make that 2 years |
| 14:17.22 | dokma | Haris1: just replace make menuconfig with make oldconfig |
| 14:17.26 | dokma | google it for details |
| 14:17.36 | Haris1 | I wanted to skip oldconfig |
| 14:17.43 | Haris1 | the current way should work too |
| 14:17.47 | Haris1 | shouldn't it? |
| 14:17.59 | SlayerXP | petemc: i can only assume that the reason he wants his own kernel is so he can have inflicted his lack of knowledge and unwillingness to use google on the rest of is |
| 14:18.02 | SlayerXP | errr us |
| 14:18.05 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: I read about pinning, I don't understand it, though. What does it mean by a higher priority? |
| 14:18.31 | Haris1 | o.o |
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| 14:18.33 | Haris1 | o.O |
| 14:18.35 | dokma | How can I load my old config in make menuconfig |
| 14:18.41 | dokma | isn't that what you said? |
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| 14:20.08 | zeitsofas | how i can activate automatic switching cpu clock if the is not in use ? |
| 14:20.15 | Haris1 | Well, I built the iptables mods into the kernel. I'm not sure why it won't work when it IS builtin! |
| 14:20.18 | Haris1 | o.o |
| 14:20.21 | Haris1 | >.> |
| 14:20.34 | Haris1 | <.< |
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| 14:22.16 | Haris1 | hmm |
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| 14:23.45 | eth01 | builtin isnt a word |
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| 14:24.27 | Haris1 | built-in |
| 14:24.35 | Haris1 | if you must |
| 14:24.43 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 14:24.43 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 14:24.45 | Haris1 | I cna't find the chapter |
| 14:25.09 | Haris1 | pinning is for priorities sources |
| 14:25.13 | Haris1 | Its irrelevant here |
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| 14:26.33 | Haris1 | prioritizing+ |
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| 14:27.56 | Haris1 | How do I reload my old kernel config? put a copy of the config as .config under /usr/src/linux-2.6.25 ? |
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| 14:28.52 | Optic | hi hi, i have a box where kjournald is eating massive CPU and the disk light is on steady. Any hints as to what's going on? |
| 14:29.04 | greenmanwitch | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 14:29.04 | Authority | Haris1: you copied the .config from another kernel release, like 2.6.24? |
| 14:29.12 | Haris1 | Authority: no |
| 14:29.27 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: are you there? |
| 14:29.34 | Haris1 | Authority: I saved the config of 2.6.25 at the end of make menuconfig for it |
| 14:29.34 | themill | greenmanwitch: follow the last of the instructions from /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 14:30.27 | greenmanwitch | themill: thanks a lot |
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| 14:30.32 | Authority | Haris1: try make oldconfig |
| 14:30.46 | greenmanwitch | Authority: we've all already told him |
| 14:31.01 | abrotman | greenmanwitch: kind of! |
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| 14:31.37 | Farhadix | hi guys, there was an LD_*** that when I set it to gtk2.10 before running any program, that wants use gtk2.10, anyone knows what is this? |
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| 14:33.39 | greenmanwitch | abrotman: ok :) |
| 14:33.41 | peleg | if I use ctrl-\ to exit a program, I get a message that says "Quit (core dumped)" - what does it mean? |
| 14:33.54 | greenmanwitch | peleg: means it worked? |
| 14:33.55 | quentusrex | I have a bash script that outputs a progress report. How do I get this script to run every 15 seconds? |
| 14:34.03 | greenmanwitch | quentusrex: cron? |
| 14:34.05 | quentusrex | I just want to loop it to run every 15 seconds |
| 14:34.11 | quentusrex | without cron |
| 14:34.18 | quentusrex | something script like, or command line. |
| 14:34.35 | Optic | yeah, kjournald seems to be writing like mad to the disk |
| 14:34.36 | greenmanwitch | quentusrex: ok, write another script that does sleep 15 && ./script in a loop? |
| 14:34.52 | peleg | greenmanwitch: so it's ok? I mean - is it a good way to exit a program? |
| 14:35.04 | mquin | quentusrex: watch --interval=15 command |
| 14:35.16 | greenmanwitch | peleg: I've never actually used it before. ctrl c or d or z works for me |
| 14:35.17 | n3kl | I am having trouble with munin. I have added a remote host, setup munin-node on teh remote host and I can see in the logs that my server connects to the client, but when I go to the website, I see no services that are showing up. Why? |
| 14:35.20 | quentusrex | what is the bash command for: while(true){sleep 15 && ./script} |
| 14:35.21 | quentusrex | ? |
| 14:35.29 | Maulkin | quentusrex: while true; do ./program; sleep 15; done; |
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| 14:35.49 | Maulkin | or: watch -n 15 ./program |
| 14:35.57 | Haris1 | petemc: bts #477174 |
| 14:36.07 | alex__ | greenmanwitch, noov. |
| 14:36.11 | alex__ | *noob |
| 14:36.16 | quentusrex | thanks Maulkin++ |
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| 14:36.35 | peleg | greenmanwitch: but ctrl-c does not always work (e.g. - in man), and ctrl-z leaves a stopped job. |
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| 14:37.05 | petemc | Haris1: ? |
| 14:37.18 | greenmanwitch | peleg: yeah. |
| 14:37.23 | onur | Hi. I want to update my bios in debian. My computer doesn't have a floopy and cdrom. Also i dont have a usb stick. I must update my bios. How can i do that? |
| 14:37.24 | f00li5h | petemc: you can kill %% to kill the previously suspended job |
| 14:37.25 | greenmanwitch | peleg: well, there is always q :P |
| 14:37.25 | sandman | Okay, so if a filesystem cannot be shrunk while its mounted, even with LVM2, and your disk is fully occupied, you're going to need to shrink a partition in order to increase the size of another one. |
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| 14:37.40 | sandman | So, you're going to end up rebooting anyway. |
| 14:37.42 | f00li5h | onur: get one of those other bits of hardware |
| 14:37.49 | sandman | So why bother with LVM, EVMS, or anything of that sort? |
| 14:37.49 | Haris1 | <*> Stateless NAT |
| 14:37.52 | Haris1 | hmm |
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| 14:38.08 | Haris1 | petemc: this is the bug for which I need to rebuild any version of the kernel that doesn't have it |
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| 14:38.21 | Haris1 | what's stateless nat? |
| 14:38.36 | Haris1 | isn't stateless nat = foolishness? |
| 14:38.37 | f00li5h | NAT that doesn't maintain state |
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| 14:38.44 | Decepticon | what package is GD::Image::Thumbnail for perl ? |
| 14:38.59 | f00li5h | Decepticon: stick lib on the front and perl on the end, then replace :: with - |
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| 14:39.03 | Haris1 | Decepticon: gd perl script that generates thumbs? |
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| 14:39.37 | Decepticon | libgd-image-thumbnail-perl does not exist |
| 14:39.51 | rhineheart_m | hello...Is there a way to scan the available local IPs existing in the network via ssh? |
| 14:39.58 | f00li5h | Decepticon: where'd that last - come from? |
| 14:40.29 | davis | hello |
| 14:40.31 | Haris1 | what is better in stateless or stateful nat? |
| 14:40.41 | Decepticon | im following the format from results in apt-cache search perl | grep <x> |
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| 14:40.47 | f00li5h | Decepticon: what are you using it for? |
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| 14:41.13 | f00li5h | if you use things like FTP (active) etc, stateful will track the connections and send them to the right places (maybe) |
| 14:41.32 | Pusselgenerator | Haris1, that is |
| 14:41.49 | davis | i have a debian box setup on a vmware session where I am using NAT and dhcp. My networking on the VM debian linux box works. But my /etc/resolv.conf always says SEARCH localdomain. Is there a way I can set the local domain to by my company domain automatically? |
| 14:41.54 | Decepticon | f00li5h i am getting prerequisites for a script that takes irc logs and lets you query them, also it parses out images and and makes thumbnails apparently |
| 14:42.21 | f00li5h | Decepticon: well, it should list the modules it wants, then you can apt-cache search for them, or just install them with cpan.pm |
| 14:42.45 | Decepticon | right, it does list the modules, i am trying to translate the modules into package names |
| 14:42.54 | davis | also, if I ping foo.companydomain.com it still does not work. It says unknown host. |
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| 14:43.10 | AssociateX | what is the most resourceful website for new debian users? |
| 14:43.16 | AssociateX | I'm a day old |
| 14:43.27 | Decepticon | you're stale? |
| 14:43.31 | AssociateX | ha ha |
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| 14:44.55 | Decepticon | AssociateX i used http://www.aboutdebian.com/ a while back when i was fumbling around, not sure if they have it updated to etch |
| 14:45.06 | luquee | hi how i can setup a net whit ip over serial ports |
| 14:45.15 | AssociateX | Decepticon: thank you, heading there now |
| 14:45.25 | luquee | in two servers |
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| 14:46.16 | Haris1 | Where do I diable all the debug info? I get alot! of it at bootup time |
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| 14:47.07 | Baloo | If you're talking about messages at bootup, those aren't debug messages, that's program output. You don't want to disable that, should something go wrong during boot. |
| 14:47.10 | Haris1 | ..and how do I find and use nat/masq modules when they are already built into the kernel? |
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| 14:47.42 | Haris1 | Baloo: This is waaaaay too much extra info there. I don't get most of it when I boot up with the old kernel |
| 14:47.47 | Baloo | They're already loaded. Just use iptables to control that functionality like you would after inserting the appropriate modules. |
| 14:47.49 | Haris1 | I enabled too many debug options in the kernel |
| 14:48.02 | Haris1 | Baloo: iptables -t nat -L -v -n doesn't work |
| 14:48.06 | Baloo | Oh, you compiled your own. You get to compile again with fewer debug options in that case. |
| 14:48.22 | Baloo | And I'd double check to see if you actually enabled what you need if iptables isn't working. |
| 14:48.23 | sandman | Oh. |
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| 14:48.32 | sandman | I wish I had known this before. EVMS is discontinued |
| 14:48.33 | sandman | lol |
| 14:48.46 | Haris1 | Baloo: B|ngo. That's where I wanted to go. How do I check? |
| 14:49.02 | Haris1 | modprobe doesn't help |
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| 14:49.29 | Baloo | If you compiled it in (and not as a module) you get to look at your kernel's configuration that you used to compile it with. |
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| 14:50.21 | Haris1 | great! .. lol |
| 14:50.41 | Haris1 | Baloo: Ok, just to know, can you point where that is? |
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| 14:50.57 | Baloo | /usr/src/linux/.config I think |
| 14:50.57 | Haris1 | I'm going through make menuconfig to find out |
| 14:51.02 | Baloo | That works too |
| 14:51.05 | luquee | hi how i can setup a net whit ip over serial ports |
| 14:51.19 | Baloo | luquee: You want PPP. |
| 14:51.25 | luquee | yes with ip |
| 14:51.31 | luquee | over serial ports |
| 14:51.43 | Haris1 | MTDs are for solid state disks? |
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| 14:51.49 | apt_get | Hi |
| 14:51.50 | Baloo | Yes, go look at the PPP packages and search for null modem network on google and you'll probably find your answer. |
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| 14:52.02 | luquee | ok thanks |
| 14:52.03 | www | hi |
| 14:52.11 | apt_get | what´s the new way , , mkinitrd ou mkinitramfs |
| 14:52.57 | stew | apt_get: mkinitramfs or yaird |
| 14:53.05 | www | how to compress directories not access in last 30 days and delete the directory with a script ? |
| 14:53.36 | stew | www: you can use find to identify such directories |
| 14:53.59 | www | ok how can i compress them and delete them ? |
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| 14:54.33 | Haris1 | [ ] Verbose SCSI error reporting (kernel size +=12K) ? |
| 14:54.35 | stew | www: you could compress them with something like tar cz, you can remove them with rm |
| 14:54.40 | Haris1 | should I turn it on? |
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| 14:55.13 | www | ok that is fine. But do I have to manually do it for each directory ? |
| 14:55.19 | stew | www: no |
| 14:56.08 | Haris1 | If the mods were not built into the kernel, where would they be stored? |
| 14:56.15 | Haris1 | ./usr/lib/kernel-version? |
| 14:56.24 | azeem | which mods? |
| 14:56.26 | www | is there a script for finding gzip and delete such directories ? |
| 14:56.28 | Haris1 | any mods |
| 14:56.35 | stew | Haris1: /lib/$version |
| 14:56.35 | onur | Hi. I want to update my bios in debian. My computer doesn't have a floopy and cdrom. Also i dont have a usb stick. I must update my bios. How can i do that? |
| 14:56.35 | azeem | what do you mean with "mods"? |
| 14:56.42 | onur | sorry |
| 14:56.44 | Haris1 | for examples the nat/masq mod |
| 14:56.48 | Haris1 | example+ |
| 14:56.51 | azeem | are you talking about kernel modules? |
| 14:56.57 | Haris1 | kernel mod (modules) |
| 14:57.03 | stew | sandman: err, /lib/modules/$version |
| 14:57.06 | azeem | Haris1: what stew said |
| 14:57.07 | stew | Haris1: ^^ |
| 14:57.09 | Haris1 | ah, right |
| 14:57.12 | Haris1 | ./lib |
| 14:57.27 | stew | sandman: sorry, random misfire |
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| 14:58.03 | Haris1 | lol, only 213 MB under it |
| 14:58.25 | stew | Haris1: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:58.26 | Haris1 | no wonder, my kernel is 7.4 MB size |
| 14:58.33 | Haris1 | stew: I'm trying to get around; |
| 14:58.44 | Haris1 | stew: I'm trying to get around;# iptables -t nat -L -v -n |
| 14:58.45 | Haris1 | iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 14:58.45 | Haris1 | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
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| 14:59.02 | MrDakoki | hi all!! |
| 14:59.04 | Haris1 | I built the iptables modules into the kernel |
| 14:59.10 | Haris1 | rather than as (M) |
| 14:59.14 | stew | Haris1: then you won't find them in /lib/modules |
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| 14:59.33 | Haris1 | stew: ..well, they'r not working out of a reboot either *laugh* |
| 14:59.48 | MrDakoki | how i can find libraries? |
| 14:59.49 | Optic | solved! disk was full :) |
| 14:59.49 | Osx86 | Hi all |
| 14:59.58 | MrDakoki | im looking foward for this one |
| 15:00.00 | MrDakoki | X11/extensions/XTest.h |
| 15:00.09 | Osx86 | can someone tell me how to show hardware information |
| 15:00.12 | MrDakoki | when i compile i have a linker error |
| 15:00.15 | apt_get | stew, why? mkinitrd inst good? |
| 15:00.29 | Osx86 | i remember one binary that gathered all hw infos |
| 15:00.31 | Osx86 | on suse |
| 15:00.36 | stew | apt_get: correct. mkinitrd uses devfs which was removed from the kernel starting with version 2.6.13 |
| 15:00.42 | themill | !tell MrDakoki about apt-file |
| 15:00.52 | stew | Haris1: what does "grep 'CONFIG_NF_NAT\b' /boot/config-$(uname -r)" return? |
| 15:01.08 | Haris1 | nothing, lol |
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| 15:01.36 | apt_get | stew, really thanks for the information |
| 15:01.44 | Haris1 | CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_T_NAT=m |
| 15:01.51 | Haris1 | let me grep -i NAT |
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| 15:02.24 | Haris1 | well, there's no CONFIG_NF there |
| 15:02.26 | Haris1 | that's for sure |
| 15:02.54 | stew | Haris1: then you'll have to recompile your kernel with NAT enabled |
| 15:03.10 | MrDakoki | im looking fowart for X11/extensions/XTest.h i need it to use in my code |
| 15:03.10 | MrDakoki | i got undefiined reference error |
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| 15:03.26 | Haris1 | I do have CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_T_NAT=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_DNAT=m CONFIG_BRIDGE_EBT_SNAT=m CONFIG_NET_ACT_NAT=y CONFIG_NATSEMI=y |
| 15:03.32 | MrDakoki | an no info for the linker |
| 15:03.38 | Haris1 | I wonder why it left out netfilter :| |
| 15:03.49 | Haris1 | finds the netfilter part in make menuconfig |
| 15:05.24 | Optic | does logrotate automagically know to deal with logs like /var/log/messages? |
| 15:05.33 | Optic | i can't find any reference to that file in the configs |
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| 15:05.52 | stew | Optic: no, the syslog logfiles are rotated by syslog in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 15:05.56 | Optic | aha! |
| 15:06.00 | Optic | thank you :) |
| 15:06.33 | stew | Optic: that way if you create new logfiles by editing /etc/syslog.conf, the new logfiles will also automatically get rotated |
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| 15:06.44 | Optic | stew: how do I set that up? |
| 15:06.55 | Optic | stew: i want to compress by size |
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| 15:07.14 | Haris1 | PCI Express adapters have problems with packet split? o.O |
| 15:07.20 | stew | Optic: edit /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 15:07.41 | Optic | cool |
| 15:07.44 | Optic | savelog |
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| 15:13.31 | MrDakoki | there is any comand to search for libraries? |
| 15:13.40 | MrDakoki | installed on the computerç |
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| 15:14.35 | SlayerXP | MrDakoki: dpkg -l | grep ii | grep lib |
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| 15:15.31 | MrDakoki | ok thanks |
| 15:15.35 | stew | MrDakoki: aptitude search '~i~slibs' |
| 15:15.39 | MrDakoki | for the help |
| 15:16.24 | MrDakoki | but i still dont know how i can get the path for that library |
| 15:16.32 | stew | MrDakoki: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:16.45 | MrDakoki | i have a linker error and |
| 15:16.51 | stew | MrDakoki: what is the error? |
| 15:16.57 | stew | MrDakoki: and what are you compiling/ |
| 15:17.10 | MrDakoki | i have to use a libXtst in my code |
| 15:17.49 | MrDakoki | its to control the mouse pointer with my hands |
| 15:17.54 | MrDakoki | usin a webcam |
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| 15:18.17 | MrDakoki | and i need som insructions that are inside libXtst |
| 15:18.20 | stew | MrDakoki: aptitude install libxtst-dev |
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| 15:18.33 | MrDakoki | the problem is that i dont know where is that library |
| 15:18.42 | stew | MrDakoki: in /usr/lib/ |
| 15:19.03 | MrDakoki | its not in user lib |
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| 15:19.14 | MrDakoki | that was my first place to search |
| 15:19.21 | stew | MrDakoki: what version of the libxtst-dev package do you have installed? |
| 15:19.27 | MrDakoki | 6 |
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| 15:19.35 | stew | MrDakoki: how did you determine that? |
| 15:20.16 | stew | !info libxtst-dev |
| 15:20.21 | dpkg | libxtst-dev: (X11 Record extension library (development headers)), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 2:1.0.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 76 kB |
| 15:20.26 | Haris1 | hmm.. is it recommended to disable all debugging? |
| 15:20.28 | stew | MrDakoki: the current version in debian is 2:1.0.3-1 |
| 15:20.48 | Haris1 | I'm going to use this server as a nat box, not as a development/debug box |
| 15:21.07 | Haris1 | I can simply put n in place of y in all the DEBUG keywords in the config |
| 15:21.20 | MrDakoki | i had istaled libxtst.6 |
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| 15:21.32 | stew | MrDakoki: how did you install libxtst.6? |
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| 15:22.10 | MrDakoki | by a deb from ubuntu |
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| 15:22.22 | stew | MrDakoki: please go to ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 15:22.26 | stew | MrDakoki: err #ubuntu |
| 15:22.34 | Baloo | !tell mrdakoki about ubuntu |
| 15:22.41 | MrDakoki | ok ill ask ther |
| 15:22.55 | dmilith | ok i have smart ass question |
| 15:22.58 | MrDakoki | thans anyway thor the help :) |
| 15:23.29 | dmilith | i don't like ubuntu.. but temporarely (cause of badly downloaded debian iso file) |
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| 15:23.42 | dmilith | i need to install 8.04 |
| 15:24.04 | dmilith | does anybody tried to switch to lenny from ubuntu after installing ubuntu? |
| 15:24.06 | dmilith | :o |
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| 15:24.21 | chops | dmilith: Don't do that |
| 15:24.23 | stew | dmilith: that is not something we'd recommend nor support |
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| 15:24.48 | Haris1 | where are netfilter options |
| 15:24.50 | stew | dmilith: unless by switch, you mean a fresh install or install using debootstrap |
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| 15:25.04 | dmilith | stew: that's the way.. ;o |
| 15:25.29 | dmilith | and then move all files to root partition.. :o |
| 15:25.30 | dmilith | ok |
| 15:25.39 | dmilith | rest is simple, thanks |
| 15:25.54 | Haris1 | found it! |
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| 15:26.10 | stew | Haris1: hit "/" then type "NAT" |
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| 15:26.38 | Haris1 | nice! |
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| 15:27.13 | Haris1 | <M> "MARK" target support <- should I keep these targets as <M> or build them as <*> ? |
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| 15:27.46 | SlayerXP | *sigh* |
| 15:27.59 | Haris1 | I think last time, I missed make modules, before make; make-kpkg |
| 15:28.00 | SlayerXP | puts Haris1on /ignore - enough is enough |
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| 15:29.39 | minus__ | Can someone help me install a bcm94311mcg WLAN card under ubuntu? #ubuntu is filled with new users with simple qustions that floods the channel. |
| 15:29.52 | Haris1 | lol |
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| 15:30.02 | Haris1 | I missed that nat option and chose all the others around it :| |
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| 15:30.18 | stew | minus__: ubuntu questions are off-topic in here, sorry. |
| 15:30.51 | minus__ | Well.. Let's say I'm using debian then. Cause I am *cough* |
| 15:31.10 | iddo | can someone help me remove the libghc6-x11-dev deb package? i can neither install nor remove anything else because of this |
| 15:31.20 | stew | iddo: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 15:32.39 | iddo | http://rafb.net/p/RY1u9N15.html |
| 15:32.52 | iddo | seems to be known problem here http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=465230 |
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| 15:34.13 | stew | iddo: can you show us the output of "bash -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/libghc6-x11-dev.prerm remove" |
| 15:34.48 | iddo | ok trying |
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| 15:35.51 | iddo | http://rafb.net/p/JtQT2h97.html |
| 15:35.53 | Haris1 | damned! finally! |
| 15:36.30 | Haris1 | config is done. disabled debugging for alot of stuff and now I'm going to build nat/masq in |
| 15:38.10 | Haris1 | I was under the impression that in the changes for compiling kernels, the make modules and make dep steps were merged into make or make all |
| 15:38.25 | Haris1 | or make-kpkg |
| 15:38.28 | Haris1 | foolish! of me |
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| 15:40.02 | LemensTS | how do i search for the gd2 package using apt-get? |
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| 15:40.18 | Haris1 | LemensTS: use apt-cache |
| 15:40.30 | stew | iddo: i would guess that you need to install libghc6-x11-dev |
| 15:40.31 | Haris1 | apt-get update; aptitude update; apt-cache search gd2 |
| 15:40.32 | Mazingaro | please I got a problem with 2.6.24-1-sparc64 kernel and xorg: Xf86PciMapMem error... xorg working with 2.6.22-3-sparc... |
| 15:40.50 | iddo | stew: i cannot install it or anything else either..... |
| 15:40.51 | stew | iddo: if you can't, you might have to just skip the prerm for now by editing that file and adding "exit 0" at the top |
| 15:41.07 | iddo | ok lemme try |
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| 15:44.19 | Lagbolt | hey anyone seen this with gdm . . . invoke-rc.d: initscript gdm, action "reload" failed. |
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| 15:45.00 | vaenilicious | How to get compiz ? |
| 15:45.07 | azeem | !compiz |
| 15:45.08 | dpkg | compiz is probably a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
| 15:45.12 | LemensTS | apt-cache search works thanks |
| 15:45.16 | Haris1 | what's HOSTCC |
| 15:45.27 | azeem | Haris1: the host's C compiler |
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| 15:45.31 | iddo | stew: ok i edited it and put exit 0 on top and then removed it as well as did apt-get install -f (it asked me to when doing apt-get), and it seems to be uninstalled now... thanks... but is there anything else i should know? |
| 15:45.39 | Haris1 | doesn't tell if its cc or gcc, eh |
| 15:45.50 | azeem | no, it's set to either |
| 15:45.53 | azeem | it's a variable |
| 15:45.58 | LemensTS | do you guys usually install from source, or just use apt-get? since debian packages arent released as often as other disros.. |
| 15:46.04 | chops | LemensTS: apt-get |
| 15:46.04 | azeem | LemensTS: the latter |
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| 15:46.34 | chops | LemensTS: Debian packages are released very frequently in testing and unstable, just not in stable. |
| 15:46.52 | Haris1 | looks cleaner, feels .. suspicuous |
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| 15:47.06 | stew | iddo: well, i don't know much about ghc6, or what it is that we just skipped. depending on what that prerm was trying to do it might perhaps be worthwile to see if you could install whatever was missing and remove it again in order to actually do whatever it was trying to do |
| 15:47.19 | LemensTS | chops: i have always done apt-get...but i did that with nagios i see it has 2.1, but 3.1 is out so i figured i would install from 3.1 source |
| 15:47.20 | vaenilicious | I don't really know how to do |
| 15:47.32 | azeem | LemensTS: why do you need 3.1 |
| 15:47.37 | azeem | LemensTS: also, check backports.org |
| 15:47.37 | Haris1 | LemensTS: update yours sources.list ;) |
| 15:47.38 | azeem | !bpo |
| 15:47.38 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 15:47.41 | Haris1 | your+ |
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| 15:47.52 | azeem | Haris1: please don't tell people to do that unless you know exactly that they need |
| 15:47.55 | azeem | it |
| 15:48.00 | stew | LemensTS: there is a nagios3 pacakge on backports.org |
| 15:48.04 | azeem | Haris1: needing nagios is a good sign this should be a stable machine |
| 15:48.21 | Haris1 | hmm |
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| 15:48.42 | Haris1 | azeem: makes sense |
| 15:48.43 | stew | i should probably see what nagios3 would offer me. perhaps it would nag me in enhanced ways |
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| 15:49.07 | LemensTS | azeem: no reason |
| 15:49.17 | Haris1 | does nagios make sharp graphs, like rtg? or does it make bold, non-sharp graphs? (make = plot) |
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| 15:50.00 | lch | hi |
| 15:50.22 | LemensTS | Haris1: they have screenshots on nagios.org |
| 15:50.31 | Haris1 | LemensTS: I know |
| 15:50.35 | Haris1 | LemensTS: they arent' sharp |
| 15:51.06 | Martiini | unetbootin question .. I gave unetbootin a Sidux iso to install but the kenel stops with message "Begin: Waiting for root file system ..." I have googled that kernel message but I still have no clue. I dont even know which kernel is being booted |
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| 15:51.31 | azeem | Martiini: what is unetbootin? |
| 15:51.53 | LemensTS | backports...hmmm...so is this from the debian developers also or is this someone elses project |
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| 15:52.05 | Martiini | windows, linux app that allows to install distros without cd |
| 15:52.06 | azeem | LemensTS: it's inofficial, but from debian devs |
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| 15:52.15 | azeem | LemensTS: we recommend using it, if you need it |
| 15:52.18 | azeem | it's pretty safe |
| 15:52.29 | chops | Martiini: Probably better to ask the unetbootin people or the sidux people |
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| 15:52.45 | lch | I'm having trouble with opengl applications, glxinfo and others are suddenly segfaulting, maybe because of an update... when I have /etc/ld.so.nohwcap present they don't crash |
| 15:52.59 | lch | what can I do to fix this, do I need to reboot? |
| 15:52.59 | azeem | lch: which X driver? |
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| 15:53.24 | lch | how do I determine my x driver version? |
| 15:53.40 | azeem | lch: what graphics card? |
| 15:53.41 | LemensTS | dmesg |
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| 15:55.33 | lch | these things crash even when they are console applications, though |
| 15:55.40 | azeem | 17:51 < azeem> lch: what graphics card? |
| 15:56.15 | lch | 00:08.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x] (rev c1) |
| 15:56.21 | azeem | ok |
| 15:56.35 | azeem | lch: do you use the driver from NVidia, or the one from Debian? |
| 15:57.05 | lch | I'm using the "nvidia" driver in xorg.conf |
| 15:57.18 | azeem | how did you install it? |
| 15:57.58 | lch | I didn't, I have ssh access to a box from somebody else |
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| 15:58.54 | azeem | lch: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 15:59.10 | lch | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 15:59.18 | azeem | ok |
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| 15:59.40 | azeem | lch: try to figure out how they installed the nvidia driver and what they did to break it |
| 16:00.13 | Haris1 | why don't they merg make deps and make modules into make for building kernels? spare us the extra babble :p |
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| 16:00.27 | azeem | Haris1: ask them not us |
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| 16:00.41 | Haris1 | ok, lol |
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| 16:00.54 | vaenilicious | !compiz |
| 16:00.55 | dpkg | compiz is, like, a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz |
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| 16:04.32 | blackbart | Is it possible for me to install a package into my home directory, on a server which I don't have root access? |
| 16:04.56 | azeem | blackbart: not trivially, Debian package are not relocatable by default |
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| 16:05.26 | blackbart | azeem: thanks. I will compile from source then |
| 16:05.30 | andy5635353 | hi, i need to get the mail() function to work in php on a debian server, what do i need to do? |
| 16:05.48 | azeem | blackbart: you can try to just extract the .deb first, and see if that works |
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| 16:06.08 | azeem | but you might need some additional quirks, like setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH and/or routing around missing files in /etc etc. |
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| 16:12.32 | Symbi0nt | how to check on the command line which debian is installed? |
| 16:13.03 | themill | Symbi0nt: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:13.23 | Symbi0nt | ah .. |
| 16:13.29 | Symbi0nt | 4.0 is etch? |
| 16:13.37 | azeem | yes |
| 16:13.37 | themill | yes |
| 16:13.37 | Chouhartem | ja |
| 16:13.37 | Symbi0nt | danke |
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| 16:16.40 | bildpunkt | is there a way to install debian on an old server (i dont know the real specs but the server has isa slots and the motherboard is plugged in). i had trouble to install debian netinst because it couldnt find the hd and did not have drivers for the network card |
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| 16:18.14 | Haris1 | I'm using etch on PIII |
| 16:20.24 | Martiini | bildpunkt: you can install debian from windows .. google unetbootin |
| 16:20.37 | Martiini | debian is the best for old boxes |
| 16:20.55 | stew | bildpunkt: etch should work on most machines that are at least a 486 with 64mb of ram (less ram is possible but not as easy) |
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| 16:22.42 | Symbi0nt | I just installed opengroupware via apt-get .. someone an idea where ogo-create-instance went? |
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| 16:22.52 | Symbi0nt | according to the website it shoudl be there |
| 16:23.40 | iateadonut | how do you open a plain text file that has \n's in it - actually open it so that the \n's are actually line breaks? |
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| 16:24.36 | sherkin | Hi, |
| 16:24.36 | sherkin | I have trouble trying to mount a dvd-rom with codepage=850 |
| 16:24.36 | sherkin | Could you help me ? |
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| 16:25.56 | Haris1 | its taking a long time in make dep |
| 16:26.01 | sherkin | I tried: |
| 16:26.01 | sherkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.01 | sherkin | and a couple of variants, with no success. |
| 16:27.18 | iateadonut | i'd look on google, but google doesn't recognize \n |
| 16:27.48 | Chouhartem | Ubuntu :s |
| 16:28.52 | sherkin | Chouhartem: I don't need an advice on sudo, but on mount ;) |
| 16:29.20 | Haris1 | its building! nat! mods! |
| 16:29.24 | Haris1 | its building! them |
| 16:29.43 | Chouhartem | 'kay, no problem |
| 16:30.14 | Haris1 | I can't see net/ipv4/ip_conntrack |
| 16:30.27 | Haris1 | I can just see net/ipv4/netfilter/nf_conntrack |
| 16:30.30 | Haris1 | wth!?! |
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| 16:38.00 | mooper | does anyone know a good tool for checking udp over a network? |
| 16:38.09 | mooper | something like mtr |
| 16:38.24 | mooper | we seem to be droping packets somewhere but we cant find out where |
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| 16:39.36 | Pig_Pen | heya people, with a debian lenny install how can i tell the installer to ignore eth0 and use wlan0 ? |
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| 16:43.39 | Pig_Pen | i guess everyone is asleep at the keyboard |
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| 16:44.52 | Doug52392 | I'm here :) |
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| 16:45.13 | Pig_Pen | with a debian lenny install how can i tell the installer to ignore eth0 and use wlan0 ? |
| 16:45.25 | mooper | No, Doug52392. You are not here. here is a drug induced perception |
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| 16:45.43 | Pig_Pen | i just got an idea, maybe if i get in the BIOS and disable eth0 |
| 16:45.45 | Pig_Pen | BRB |
| 16:45.56 | beardy | mooper: Have a look at tcptraceroute. |
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| 16:48.30 | AssociateX | hi and also hello |
| 16:49.23 | Lagbolt | hey, wierd question . . . anyone know of a problem involving the init-funtions in /lib/lsb . . specifically log_daemon_msg? |
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| 16:49.28 | apt_get | Hi |
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| 16:49.40 | apt_get | i want know whats the most recomended, apt-get or aptitude |
| 16:49.47 | Lagbolt | when that command is in gdm or xdm in init.d they will not start but when that line is removed they come up just fine |
| 16:49.52 | beardy | apt_get: Sicne Etch, aptitude. |
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| 16:49.54 | nvz | SerajewelKS: yo |
| 16:50.00 | nvz | iaft I got online |
| 16:50.05 | beardy | apt_get: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 16:50.17 | ciosad | I'm messing with vlans and bridging interfaces....sometimes when I unload a port group I get this error repeated indefinitely: |
| 16:50.31 | nvz | in the daytime there is some kind of interference or something.. I had to run a damn USB cable out through the stove vent and put the damn antenna on the roof |
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| 16:50.54 | ciosad | unregister_netdevice: waiting for eth0.15 to become free. Usage count = 5 (eth0.15 just happens to be the first interface I try and destroy) |
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| 16:50.59 | AssociateX | apt_get: I was wonder the same thing, but then this my second day with Debian |
| 16:51.09 | jroes | he goes on for like two paragraphs about the fonts |
| 16:51.44 | jroes | <wrong chan> |
| 16:51.51 | ciosad | apt_get: I think either is fine, but I vaguely remember something about they keep track of packages installed differently so you should stick with whatever one you use |
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| 16:52.11 | beardy | Hello, are you listening? |
| 16:52.37 | AssociateX | chronic1: I wonder if there is a way to sync the two |
| 16:53.26 | chronic1 | AssociateX: I've never looking into it. apt-get, apt-cache, google are the three tools I've always used |
| 16:53.40 | beardy | Fuck.. |
| 16:53.43 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 16:53.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 16:53.44 | chronic1 | s/looking/looked |
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| 16:56.12 | AssociateX | chronic1: I'm reading usr/share/doc/aptitude/README after the /msg dpkg why aptitude |
| 16:59.13 | Quag7 | Is there a way to pause the screen during the bootup process? Some kind of error is flying by, and it scrolls out of my backscroll (any way to increase that?) |
| 16:59.29 | valdyn | Quag7: the scroll lock key |
| 16:59.33 | valdyn | Quag7: or just use bootlog |
| 16:59.35 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 16:59.35 | dpkg | it has been said that bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 16:59.45 | Quag7 | oh thank you! |
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| 17:02.27 | AssociateX | Quag7: maybe the "i" button if you have interactive boot up enabled |
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| 17:02.47 | AssociateX | that would just stop the screen when you saw it |
| 17:02.56 | AssociateX | pressed* it |
| 17:03.07 | Quag7 | bootlog looks like it gave me what I wanted |
| 17:03.12 | Quag7 | at least something to google on |
| 17:03.14 | olejorgenb | !why aptitude |
| 17:03.14 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
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| 17:03.25 | olejorgenb | !why not aptitude |
| 17:03.25 | dpkg | aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. |
| 17:03.44 | olejorgenb | !aptitude-fu |
| 17:03.44 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBrecommends:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true |
| 17:03.58 | arcsky | Ist possible to install debian from a usbstick ? |
| 17:04.31 | beardy | arcsky: Yes. |
| 17:04.36 | beardy | !ig arcsky |
| 17:04.41 | beardy | !ig |
| 17:04.42 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing! |
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| 17:09.48 | gigo | is there any mp4 player for Linux? |
| 17:09.56 | luquee | hi any now a name tool for raid disk over ethernet |
| 17:09.58 | luquee | thanks |
| 17:10.17 | n3kl | luquee: iscsi? |
| 17:10.25 | twobitwork | xmms should handle mp4... but you might need codecs, not sure |
| 17:10.44 | luquee | iscosi |
| 17:10.47 | gigo | twobitwork: so what package to install? aptitude install ? |
| 17:10.48 | luquee | ? |
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| 17:11.05 | Quag7 | mplayer can handle mp4 |
| 17:11.09 | stew | luquee: drbd? can you be more specific? |
| 17:11.27 | twobitwork | gigo: aptitude install gxmms2 |
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| 17:11.41 | twobitwork | Quag7: xmms won't? |
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| 17:11.56 | Quag7 | I dont know, xmms is pretty old and I havent used it in a long time |
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| 17:12.07 | luquee | is for replication disk over |
| 17:12.08 | luquee | network |
| 17:12.11 | twobitwork | old? |
| 17:12.28 | luquee | some similary to raid 1 |
| 17:12.29 | n3kl | Quag7: try audacious if you like xmms |
| 17:12.29 | ScriptDevil | I need an apt/sources.list for lenny anyone? |
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| 17:13.09 | twobitwork | n3kl: well... gigo is looking for an mp4 player |
| 17:13.33 | n3kl | gigo: amarok |
| 17:13.42 | gigo | what is amarok? |
| 17:13.51 | stew | gigo: apt-cache show amarok |
| 17:13.53 | n3kl | gigo: the best media management system on the planet |
| 17:14.00 | stew | luquee: that sounds like drbd |
| 17:14.06 | stew | ScriptDevil: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:14.11 | n3kl | gigo: I guess more music management than media management. |
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| 17:14.34 | ScriptDevil | stew: My lenny apt sources has only security updates and the cd as sources |
| 17:14.44 | n3kl | gigo: I am pretyt sure that mplayer does and so does mythtv also |
| 17:14.46 | ScriptDevil | I need a sources.list to use |
| 17:14.46 | stew | ScriptDevil: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:14.49 | xuser | what was it tha replaced tzconfig in lenny/sid |
| 17:14.50 | xuser | ? |
| 17:15.02 | stew | xuser: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 17:15.02 | enouf | man tzdata ? |
| 17:15.14 | xuser | yeah thx |
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| 17:16.30 | xuser | k |
| 17:17.26 | ScriptDevil | anyway. I got it. Thanks :D |
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| 17:22.23 | enouf | ugh, no man pages for tzdata ;-) though a heck of a lot of files ;-) |
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| 17:25.03 | Zoup | Hi all , my alt key is not working under Xterm , printing óæóäæäó characters |
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| 17:25.20 | twobitwork | Zoup: wow, that sounds like fun |
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| 17:25.30 | Zoup | twobitwork: indeed it was for a while :) |
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| 17:28.04 | stew | Zoup: you want resources: "XTerm*eightBitControl: False" "XTerm*eightBitInput: false" |
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| 17:28.38 | stew | Zoup: or maybe metaSendsEscape |
| 17:28.44 | Zoup | stew: thanks stew , where to save this stuff ? .xdefaults ? |
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| 17:29.02 | twobitwork | I think its .Xdefaults |
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| 17:29.18 | Zoup | and i need to restart X to make it working , right ? |
| 17:29.41 | twobitwork | xrdb |
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| 17:30.50 | stew | Zoup: .Xresources or .Xdefaults are the usual places. you don't need to restart x, "xrdb -merge filename" to merge changes |
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| 17:32.33 | xuser | do guys know if cacti in lenny uses cactid(spine) poller? |
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| 17:35.29 | rocketmagnet | hi, can someone tell me where to find a repository for svn ? |
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| 17:37.46 | abrotman | rocketmagnet: for what? |
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| 17:38.33 | rocketmagnet | i need svn ... |
| 17:38.39 | stew | rocketmagnet: aptitude install subversion |
| 17:38.44 | rocketmagnet | ah |
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| 17:39.22 | rocketmagnet | ty =) |
| 17:40.43 | NekoKun | http://silverlight.net/forums/t/3015.aspx Kinda offtopic, but someone spoke about debian... |
| 17:40.47 | NekoKun | damn! |
| 17:40.50 | NekoKun | wrong link |
| 17:40.59 | NekoKun | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=766563 Kinda offtopic, but someone spoke about debian... |
| 17:41.07 | becki | how does it work if i've got an mdadm raid with 2 hdds and one of them gets damaged, can i just put it out and mount my md<x> like nothing happens until i've got a new one? or how can i get my data without buying a new one? |
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| 17:45.02 | giantmidget | hi. can anyone please tell me how i could get the jimmac theme for debian? |
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| 17:50.08 | keith4 | how odd.... I installed hddtemp on a whim, and ran it on my software raid box: http://pastebin.ca/997528 |
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| 17:50.44 | abrotman | FIRE FIRE! DANGER WILL ROBINSON! |
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| 17:51.31 | chronic1 | How can I tell what is currently utilizing a network interface. I'm trying to bring ethX.XX down but I'm getting the following error: "unregister_netdevice: waiting for ethX.XX to become free. Usage count = 3" |
| 17:51.36 | keith4 | sde is a hot spare for the raid... fitting term I guess |
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| 17:53.19 | niklas__ | Hi. Is there a way to make debian execute a command when a network link is lost? |
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| 17:53.58 | keith4 | niklas__: like, something triggered on "LINK DOWN" in syslog? |
| 17:54.20 | niklas__ | Yeah something like that |
| 17:54.40 | xerophytev | how can find out if the cpu is 64 or 32 bit .. cat /proc/cpuinfo does not give me much info |
| 17:54.54 | keith4 | that's a good question. out of curiosity, what would you want to execute? |
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| 17:55.25 | fidox | hello |
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| 17:56.11 | fidox | what is the first step to configure my sound card in debian ? |
| 17:56.31 | stew | fidox: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
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| 17:56.50 | fidox | ok |
| 17:57.07 | niklas__ | keith4: It's for a failover router. |
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| 17:57.45 | fidox | stew: and the comand /msg what is for? |
| 17:58.13 | stew | fidox: for sending a private message in irc |
| 17:58.20 | stew | fidox: dpkg is a bot here with information |
| 17:58.33 | stew | xerophytev: what is the address sizes in cpuinfo? |
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| 17:59.30 | WormFood | is there some setting that is preventing ntpd from setting my clock when the time somehow gets 12 hours off? |
| 17:59.31 | fidox | stew: haaa jajaj ok now i undertsand |
| 17:59.42 | WormFood | this shit is driving me god damn crazy! |
| 18:00.01 | fidox | understand |
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| 18:00.15 | keith4 | WormFood: uh... no? |
| 18:00.21 | WormFood | what good does it do to run ntpd if my time is 12 fuckin' hours off?!? |
| 18:00.23 | abrotman | WormFood: tried slewing it ? |
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| 18:00.31 | abrotman | !tell WormFood about set the time |
| 18:00.31 | keith4 | what's a safe operating temp for a HD? |
| 18:00.33 | WormFood | its not a slew prolem |
| 18:00.38 | abrotman | keith4: 42 |
| 18:00.44 | WormFood | the clock is set right |
| 18:00.49 | yigal__ | WormFood: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ? |
| 18:01.02 | WormFood | it is not a time zone problem |
| 18:01.06 | WormFood | time zone is set properly |
| 18:01.17 | WormFood | I never manually set the clock, I just use ntpdate |
| 18:01.25 | WormFood | but I have to stop ntpd to use ntpdate |
| 18:01.33 | WormFood | and I shouldn't have to do that |
| 18:01.49 | keith4 | you generally use one or the other |
| 18:01.52 | NekoKun | What are the advantages of debian compared with Ubuntu? |
| 18:02.03 | keith4 | you could cron ntpdate, instead of running ntpd |
| 18:02.10 | keith4 | !tell NekoKun why debian |
| 18:02.14 | WormFood | I'm not 100% sure, but I'm 99% sure the problem shows up when I hibernate Linux, and boot into windows, then come back into Linux |
| 18:02.26 | fasta | Is there a program that takes an URL to a webpage and saves it such that executing any browser program in the created directory will render the page even without an internet connection? |
| 18:02.31 | WormFood | keith4, I'm not looking for a workaround, I'm looking for the problem |
| 18:02.38 | keith4 | !tell NekoKun why debian? |
| 18:02.41 | NekoKun | keith4: ._. and... |
| 18:02.45 | keith4 | dammit |
| 18:03.01 | keith4 | shakes his fist at dpkg |
| 18:03.03 | yigal__ | WormFood: and if you set the time with date? |
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| 18:03.17 | abrotman | !tell keith4 about why debian |
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| 18:03.31 | abrotman | fasta: wget can do that |
| 18:03.37 | WormFood | yigal, I set the hardware clock from the system clock |
| 18:03.42 | keith4 | abrotman: aw, i was so close! |
| 18:03.47 | WormFood | I don't need to use 'date', I use ntpdate |
| 18:04.06 | chops | WormFood: Sounds like Debian is configured to think your hardware clock is set to UTC |
| 18:04.06 | yigal | WormFood: what about ntpdate-debian ? |
| 18:04.08 | keith4 | WormFood: is it a "linux uses UTC but windows doesn't" problem? |
| 18:04.09 | NekoKun | !tell NekoKun about why debian |
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| 18:04.54 | WormFood | Linux is configured to use the hardware clock set to the local time, so I don't have to dick around with winblows |
| 18:05.01 | fasta | When I use Samba and cups so access a Windows printer, I crash the Windows print queue. (i.e. I cannot remove the task in Windows even as Administrator (unless I kill the Windows spooler)). When I print from Windows to Windows, there is no such problem. |
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| 18:05.16 | NekoKun | I wanted something like 'Why Debian and not Ubuntu'.... |
| 18:05.23 | WormFood | winblows is configured to the correct time zone (which does not have the gaylight "savings" time crap to deal with) |
| 18:05.38 | WormFood | Linux is configured to use the correct time |
| 18:05.54 | ponyofdeath | hi, i have /etc/profile with a modifed path var and when i log in as my user its fine but when i sudo as another user it takes my PATH modification out can someone please help? i have env_keep+="*" in sudoers file. |
| 18:05.55 | keith4 | NekoKun: try google? |
| 18:06.05 | xingu | WormFood: from the sounds of it, something's tampering with the cmos rtc; if you run linux for 24h or so, does ntpd stay synchronised? (ntpdc -c kerninfo | grep status) |
| 18:06.06 | WormFood | how in the fuck does my hardware clock get 12 hours off every time I go into windows....I can't tell if it is a windows or Linux (debian) issue |
| 18:06.07 | yigal | WormFood: or at least you want it to be configured correctly? |
| 18:06.09 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: root has a different path |
| 18:06.16 | \amethyst | ponyofdeath: how are you running sudo? |
| 18:06.19 | abrotman | WormFood: /msg dpkg set the time |
| 18:06.21 | keith4 | WormFood: it's a windows issue |
| 18:06.24 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: im not sudoing as root |
| 18:06.27 | yigal | WormFood: oh, so it is a Windblows issue |
| 18:06.27 | WormFood | if I don't boot winblows, the clock is right all the time |
| 18:06.30 | fasta | Printing from Linux to Linux is fairly easy, as is printing from Windows to Linux, but getting it to work the other way around.... |
| 18:06.34 | ponyofdeath | \amethyst: sudo -u oracle sqlplus |
| 18:06.38 | abrotman | quits trying to help WormFood |
| 18:06.40 | n3kl | WormFood: so boot linux, reboot into linux. Has your clock changed now? |
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| 18:06.48 | yigal | fasta: samba isn't working so well these days? |
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| 18:06.53 | xingu | WormFood: and what does grep UTC /etc/default/rcS say ? |
| 18:06.54 | \amethyst | ponyofdeath: you need to use -i to make it a login shell if you want /etc/profile to be executed |
| 18:06.56 | WormFood | I'm not 100% sure this problem pops up when I boot windows, but I'm 99% sure that is when it happens |
| 18:07.02 | fasta | yigal: what are you implying? |
| 18:07.18 | WormFood | UTC=no |
| 18:07.22 | yigal | fasta: samba serves is what you want with linux as the printer server |
| 18:07.26 | abrotman | ponyofdeath: doesn't sudo have an option to take the environment ? |
| 18:07.39 | fasta | yigal: please try to understand what I said. |
| 18:07.47 | ponyofdeath | \amethyst: ahh well i should just take my path var no? |
| 18:07.52 | xingu | WormFood: what's your timezone offset in hours? |
| 18:07.54 | fasta | yigal: The only problem is with Windows being the server and Linux being the client. |
| 18:08.02 | WormFood | xingu, I'm utc+8 |
| 18:08.03 | fasta | yigal: all other configurations work. |
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| 18:08.24 | yigal | fasta: what kind of windblows? |
| 18:08.25 | n3kl | WormFood: have you set your hardware clock today? |
| 18:08.33 | fasta | yigal: The Windows XP SP2 kind. |
| 18:08.42 | xingu | WormFood: and is the clock _exactly_ 12h or is there some margin of error? |
| 18:08.42 | WormFood | I'm doing things and don't want to boot into windows now just to test this, but I will go into winblows and back to linux just to test this issue |
| 18:08.46 | ponyofdeath | abrotman: not sure looking at man pages and stuff now wondering if someone knew offhand |
| 18:08.58 | xingu | s/or/out or/ |
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| 18:09.07 | n3kl | WormFood: hwclock --hctosys and see if your time changes |
| 18:09.08 | WormFood | xingu, the weird thing is it is always exactly 12 hours off....which makes me not notice it many times being wrong |
| 18:09.09 | yigal | fasta: and you have made the printer available on what ever network you want linux to print from? |
| 18:09.24 | fasta | yigal: yes, and I can also see it with smbclient |
| 18:09.25 | WormFood | n3kl, I just set my hwclock, again, a few minutes ago (after ntpdate) |
| 18:09.34 | fasta | yigal: I also can send a job to it. |
| 18:09.39 | \amethyst | ponyofdeath: sudo normally resets the PATH to a default setting, unless you use env_keep (you might need to turn off secure_path, too) |
| 18:09.44 | yigal | fasta: but it just doesn't print? |
| 18:09.45 | n3kl | WormFood: try a new bios battery? |
| 18:09.55 | maligor | fasta, tried printing services for unix? |
| 18:09.56 | fasta | yigal: but the job ends up misformatted. |
| 18:09.59 | ponyofdeath | \amethyst: thx |
| 18:10.02 | xingu | WormFood: is windows also set for a utc+8 timezone? |
| 18:10.03 | WormFood | I can't imagine how the cmos battery could be causing this particular problem |
| 18:10.04 | yigal | fasta: interesting |
| 18:10.07 | WormFood | xingu, yes |
| 18:10.08 | fasta | yigal: which seems to crash the spool.exe process. |
| 18:10.13 | n3kl | yigal: are you printing from a windows machine to a linux server? |
| 18:10.15 | ponyofdeath | \amethyst: i do have env_keep+="*" |
| 18:10.27 | fasta | yigal: is it possible that the Windows driver somehow disables that configuration on purpose? |
| 18:10.30 | yigal | n3kl: no, no I don't use Windblows talk to fasta |
| 18:10.34 | \amethyst | ponyofdeath: so it's probably secure_path then |
| 18:10.48 | yigal | fasta: possibly but I don't think it is that malicious? |
| 18:10.54 | maligor | fasta, don't really know what versions of windows ship it tho |
| 18:10.55 | xingu | WormFood: try UTC=yes as a test-case to see if it changes the result; it should not fix the problem but it may give you a new delta if this is in any way related to either windows or debian writing to/ reading from the rtc incorrectly |
| 18:10.58 | n3kl | fasta: are you using a windows box to print or something? |
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| 18:11.06 | WormFood | this is a laptop, it isn't that easy to just replace the battery, because it has wires on it |
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| 18:11.25 | yigal | n3kl: yes, the Windows box is the print server |
| 18:11.28 | stew | if the problem only happens when he boots to windows, i doubt it is related to a cmos battery |
| 18:11.35 | fasta | n3kl: I want to print to a Windows machine that is connected to a HPPSC 1410 printer. |
| 18:12.00 | n3kl | fasta: through usb? |
| 18:12.04 | WormFood | I'm 99% sure it happens when I boot winblows....and I rarely shutdown Linux, I almost always hibernate Linux |
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| 18:12.06 | aboyz | hi, i got php4 and instlaled php5, how do i tell apache to use php5? anyone know how to do that? when i do a php -v it still show php4 anyone know how to change it to php5? |
| 18:12.12 | yigal | fasta: I'm sorry, I haven't used Windows in over 2 years, I'm not the one to help you |
| 18:12.17 | fasta | n3kl: yes |
| 18:12.26 | \amethyst | aboyz: apache 1 or 2 ? |
| 18:12.28 | stew | aboyz: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 18:12.45 | stew | aboyz: (assuming you are using apache2 and not apache) |
| 18:12.51 | WormFood | doesn't debian save the system time to the hardware clock when it shutsdown? |
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| 18:13.01 | aboyz | apache 2 |
| 18:13.08 | fasta | WormFood: most people use NTP. |
| 18:13.09 | stew | aboyz: if you want "/usr/bin/php -v" to be php5, then aptitude install php5-cli |
| 18:13.16 | n3kl | fasta: smbclient -L winhost -N and see if returns a printer. |
| 18:13.17 | \amethyst | WormFood: yes, it should, with /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh stop |
| 18:13.20 | evo_ | WormFood, it does |
| 18:13.28 | fasta | n3kl: I already said it returned a printer. |
| 18:13.30 | WormFood | fasta, I DO USE NTP! but it never corrects the time! |
| 18:13.54 | WormFood | what good is ntp if I have to stop it to run ntpdate? |
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| 18:13.56 | abrotman | ntpdate or ntp ? |
| 18:14.02 | yigal | WormFood: so the time zone is set correctly? |
| 18:14.04 | WormFood | I use ntpd |
| 18:14.05 | abrotman | you shouldn't be using both |
| 18:14.17 | WormFood | yes, I'm sure the time zone is set correctly |
| 18:14.18 | n3kl | WormFood: thats because ntp is for small adjustments, if your clock is 1 hours off its no wonder it doesn't work |
| 18:14.21 | abrotman | or rather .. shouldn't have to |
| 18:14.28 | abrotman | n3kl: but ntp can slew |
| 18:14.44 | WormFood | n3kl, I though I remember some setting in ntpd that stops it from making big changes to the clock |
| 18:14.45 | \amethyst | WormFood: you can give the -g argument to NTP to have it work even if the time is off by >20 minutes |
| 18:14.46 | n3kl | abrotman: news to me. |
| 18:14.57 | xingu | abrotman: there probably is a bug in all this, I doubt that ntp's resume scripts interact correctly with the notion that rtc-time might be wildly skewed on resume |
| 18:14.59 | WormFood | but everyone else here is telling me that ntpd will adjust the time |
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| 18:15.06 | yigal | sorry, is the official us debian mirror down? |
| 18:15.12 | themill | abrotman: it will normally just bitch that the offset is too big and so do nothing though |
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| 18:15.20 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.30 | yigal | s/official/primary |
| 18:15.31 | \amethyst | WormFood: NTPD_OPTS in /etc/default/ntp |
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| 18:15.40 | WormFood | thanks \amethyst |
| 18:15.43 | n3kl | fasta: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html#printing_to_windows |
| 18:15.56 | abrotman | he could try chrony |
| 18:16.00 | xingu | abrotman: really it should be restarted; -g is a one-shot. |
| 18:16.01 | fasta | n3kl: I can use Google too. |
| 18:16.11 | n3kl | fasta: great, then help yourself next time |
| 18:16.12 | maligor | WormFood, are you sure you want to add it to defaults? |
| 18:16.17 | abrotman | xingu: i'm just saying it exists! |
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| 18:16.43 | fasta | n3kl: ? |
| 18:17.00 | WormFood | no maligor, that is why I'm reading about those options in the ntpd manpage |
| 18:17.14 | n3kl | fasta: just trying to help man |
| 18:17.16 | maligor | wouldn't think your clock would loose that much time |
| 18:17.19 | NekoKun | !tell NekoKun about minimal |
| 18:17.29 | NekoKun | !tell NekoKun about netinstall |
| 18:17.30 | xingu | maligor: you missed the bit about him snoozing linux to boot windows... |
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| 18:17.38 | stew | !tell NekoKun about selftell |
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| 18:17.39 | WormFood | maligor, it isn't just "losing" that much time....something is happening |
| 18:17.56 | WormFood | I will try to run some tests on it soon, to see if winblows really is causing the problem or not |
| 18:18.03 | NekoKun | stew: thanks |
| 18:18.15 | maligor | oh, windows is "fixing" your clock? :P |
| 18:18.19 | xingu | WormFood: it sounds like somehow the rtc's am/pm thing is flipping over, I'm looking at the driver to see if that's even possible |
| 18:18.22 | WormFood | or maybe the problem is with Linux.....I'm not sure, because this problems makes no god damn sense |
| 18:18.27 | zeitsofas | hmm it is normal xmms2 needs 20% from a 3ghz cpu ony to playing musik (musik are mounted with sshfs) ?? |
| 18:18.33 | xingu | WormFood: are you using rtc, or rtc-cmos? |
| 18:18.40 | maligor | it could also be the problem if you have ntp enabled in windows at the timezone settings are different |
| 18:18.42 | WormFood | xingu, wouldn't the RTC be in 24 hour time? |
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| 18:18.48 | maligor | like UTC vs local |
| 18:18.50 | RazaMetaL | hi |
| 18:18.53 | RazaMetaL | how are you .. |
| 18:18.59 | xingu | WormFood: hence why I'm looking at the driver; with something that old, anything's possible. |
| 18:19.00 | WormFood | maligor, the time zone in winblows is set to the same thing as in Linux |
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| 18:19.02 | RazaMetaL | my gdm stops working :( |
| 18:19.10 | maligor | WormFood, check the local/utc then |
| 18:19.25 | wuxia | I have a bunch of iptables rules that I want loaded up with iptables-restore whenever my computer boots up. What's the 'debian way' to make this happen? |
| 18:19.25 | WormFood | maligor, it is set to local time |
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| 18:19.41 | maligor | WormFood, UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS? |
| 18:19.44 | chops | WormFood: What is the output of "grep ^UTC /etc/default/rcS"? |
| 18:19.50 | WormFood | maligor, correct |
| 18:19.59 | WormFood | chops, UTC=no |
| 18:20.01 | stew | wuxia: a 'pre-up' line in /etc/network/interfaces, "man interfaces" |
| 18:20.16 | NekoKun | seem that I'll end up with Debian... |
| 18:20.17 | fasta | n3kl: thank you for that, but pasting a link in response to a very well specified problem that do not contain a solution for said well specified problem, do not help. |
| 18:20.37 | fasta | does* |
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| 18:20.44 | xingu | WormFood: are you using rtc, or rtc-cmos? |
| 18:20.58 | WormFood | xingu, kernel driver? |
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| 18:21.01 | abrotman | swatch internet time! |
| 18:21.04 | yigal | soo many debian mirrors are down? |
| 18:21.04 | wuxia | stew: this is amazing, i was thinking about something along the lines of /etc/rc2.d ... but pre-up on the network interfaces feels so much better; it gets loaded right before the network starts, very nice; thanks :-) |
| 18:21.11 | xingu | WormFood: exactly - the former is deprecated. |
| 18:21.16 | RazaMetaL | i've a trouble with spalshy on sid |
| 18:21.29 | RazaMetaL | if I add to the kernel options the word splash |
| 18:21.29 | yigal | RazaMetaL: the problem is Sid |
| 18:21.30 | WormFood | xingu, just "rtc"...I didn't change anything |
| 18:21.49 | RazaMetaL | when I init 6 the kernel does not load the modules for my wireless |
| 18:21.58 | RazaMetaL | yigal: uhmm.. :( |
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| 18:22.17 | yigal | RazaMetaL: I'm just saying if you want to play with fire, then enjoy |
| 18:22.23 | WormFood | RazaMetaL, "init 6" reboots the machine |
| 18:22.28 | xingu | WormFood: that's fine, just need to know which of the two I'm looking at |
| 18:22.31 | RazaMetaL | yigal: yes.. I like to play with sid |
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| 18:22.44 | n3kl | fasta: I was not payint attention for the first half, so my apologies. |
| 18:22.45 | simonrvn | RazaMetaL: if you're using sid, you're expected to be able to fix your problems on your own |
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| 18:22.59 | simonrvn | RazaMetaL: you're also expected to fill out bug reports |
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| 18:23.06 | WormFood | xingu, I need to go to bed, if you find anything noteworthy, please send me a /msg |
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| 18:23.08 | RazaMetaL | WormFood: yes.. i know it, but when the machine is restarted with the splash option on the kernel it does not load the modules |
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| 18:23.19 | RazaMetaL | simonrvn: :( |
| 18:23.20 | pakal | hi! how can I know my wireless card MAC addess? |
| 18:23.46 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: does adding the module name to /etc/modules change anything? |
| 18:23.46 | NekoKun | Please, just to be sure, is it (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install) Debian's netinst with only EeePC drivers added? |
| 18:23.48 | WormFood | it is close to 2:30 am here....I need to go....thanks a lot for all you guy's help (even tho the problem isn't solved, I still appreciate the help) |
| 18:23.51 | grendal_mobile | ipconfig |
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| 18:24.03 | Optic | eeeeeeeeepc |
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| 18:24.12 | pakal | ipconfig? |
| 18:24.15 | pakal | ifconfig ? |
| 18:24.21 | simonrvn | if |
| 18:24.38 | RazaMetaL | \amethyst: no, the module is giving an error |
| 18:24.41 | NekoKun | Optic: What about it? |
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| 18:25.00 | RazaMetaL | well.. splashy is not important now.. but gdm does not work |
| 18:25.12 | n3kl | Anyone know if you can put debian on an eepc? |
| 18:25.12 | RazaMetaL | and I don not have any log to check what is happening |
| 18:25.17 | pakal | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.17 | stew | RazaMetaL: what happens when you try to start gdm? |
| 18:25.24 | stew | RazaMetaL: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:25.26 | RazaMetaL | stew: nothing .. . |
| 18:25.29 | pakal | (192.168.1.1) at 00:18:39:8F:4B:20 [ether] on wlan0 |
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| 18:25.45 | twobitwork | I have a debian system behind a proxy... is there a way to universally define an http proxy setting... i.e., I can set it in iceweasel, but I want wget/etc to know about it too... |
| 18:25.46 | pakal | but I don't see this address using ifconfig |
| 18:25.46 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: and when you press ctrl-alt-f7? (ctrl-alt-f1 to get back to the console) |
| 18:25.48 | stew | RazaMetaL: so you type '/etc/init.d/gdm start', it gives no output and terminates immediately? |
| 18:25.49 | n3kl | pakal: thats prob the access point |
| 18:25.59 | twobitwork | googling for linux http proxy mostly returns how to set up a proxy server |
| 18:26.20 | rocketmagnet | hi, i try to find out what's the best debian iso for an amd sepron |
| 18:26.21 | abrotman | $HTTP_PROXY ? |
| 18:26.22 | pakal | mm, thx! |
| 18:26.25 | RazaMetaL | stew: /etc/init.d/gdm start is doint noting |
| 18:26.26 | dondelelcaro | twobitwork: http_proxy env var (or HTTP_PROXY) is the nearly universal way. |
| 18:26.39 | RazaMetaL | stew: is giving me the # bash again |
| 18:26.41 | stew | RazaMetaL: is gdm installed? |
| 18:26.48 | RazaMetaL | stew: yes.. it is installed |
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| 18:26.57 | twobitwork | abrotman, dondelelcaro: ok, thanks... I'm guessing I should put that in /etc/bash_profile or something? |
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| 18:27.07 | stew | RazaMetaL: what version of gdm is installed? |
| 18:27.09 | simonrvn | pakal: ifconfig -a; may show up |
| 18:27.25 | RazaMetaL | stew: gdm is installed , version 2.20.5-1 |
| 18:27.26 | dondelelcaro | twobitwork: well, if it's for everyone, /etc/environment; for just your user, ~/.bashrc or similar is good enough |
| 18:27.29 | rav1 | hey guys, is there any nice sound editing and recording app or Debian? |
| 18:27.32 | RazaMetaL | stew: and gdm=themes 0.5.1 |
| 18:27.37 | stew | RazaMetaL: what happens when you run "startx"? |
| 18:27.45 | RazaMetaL | stew: it works fine |
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| 18:28.00 | stew | RazaMetaL: try "dpkg-reconfigure gdm" |
| 18:28.01 | n3kl | RazaMetaL: audacity |
| 18:28.03 | RazaMetaL | RazaMetaL: running startx with my user from console shows me the gnome desktop |
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| 18:28.14 | n3kl | rav1: audacity |
| 18:28.58 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: what does the file /etc/X11/default-display-manager say? |
| 18:28.58 | RazaMetaL | rav1: audacity |
| 18:28.58 | n3kl | tag! |
| 18:28.58 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: also, does pressing ctrl-alt-F7 do anything (after /etc/init.d/gdm start, that is) |
| 18:28.59 | \amethyst | ? |
| 18:28.59 | Lagbolt | RazaMetaL, i had same problem today |
| 18:29.05 | Lagbolt | RazaMetaL, do you have the package "splashy" installed? dpkg -l | grep splashy |
| 18:29.08 | Lagbolt | if you do remove it |
| 18:29.13 | \amethyst | heh |
| 18:29.14 | RazaMetaL | \amethyst: the default display manager is /usr/bin/gdm |
| 18:29.32 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: /usr/bin or /usr/sbin ? |
| 18:29.33 | RazaMetaL | Lagbolt: yes.. I've splashy |
| 18:29.36 | Lagbolt | remove it |
| 18:29.38 | Lagbolt | problem solved |
| 18:29.40 | wuxia | stew: just got it working via the pre-up, thanks again, this tip is really cool :-) |
| 18:29.40 | Lagbolt | promise |
| 18:29.41 | RazaMetaL | \amethyst: /usr/bin |
| 18:29.48 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: do you have a /usr/bin/gdm ? |
| 18:29.53 | stew | wuxia: you're welcome |
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| 18:30.02 | Lagbolt | RazaMetaL, splashy causes init-functions (log_daemon_msg) to not exit out so GDM wont start |
| 18:30.14 | stew | Lagbolt: is a bug filed? |
| 18:30.17 | \amethyst | because on both my sid and etch boxes it's /usr/sbin/gdm |
| 18:30.24 | Lagbolt | i found it on web, |
| 18:30.27 | Lagbolt | let me see if i can find it again |
| 18:30.30 | RazaMetaL | \amethyst: got it.. i do not have /usr/bin/gdm but have /usr/sbin/gdm |
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| 18:30.46 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: the default-display-manager file should say sbin, too, then |
| 18:30.49 | stew | no |
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| 18:30.54 | \amethyst | stew: 455685 |
| 18:30.54 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:31.04 | Lagbolt | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.rc/browse_thread/thread/99809fd4aa5a3ccc |
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| 18:31.16 | Lagbolt | thats what i found |
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| 18:32.01 | Lagbolt | it was so frustrating cause wdm worked but gdm and xdm did not. figured out that script and found it on google |
| 18:32.02 | stew | Lagbolt: great thanks. just wanted to make sure it was known to the splashy maintainer |
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| 18:32.06 | taraskostiak | if I have Intel Pentium-Dual Core processor - what architecture should I download? |
| 18:32.10 | RazaMetaL | Lagbolt: kde works :) |
| 18:32.11 | Lagbolt | it is hard to find shit on google cause of all the ubuntu crap |
| 18:32.13 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 18:32.18 | RazaMetaL | Lagbolt: sorry ... kdm works |
| 18:32.30 | RazaMetaL | taraskostiak: i386 |
| 18:32.40 | \amethyst | stew: ah, you're right, it takes the basename |
| 18:32.41 | taraskostiak | why? |
| 18:32.45 | Lagbolt | yeah kdm too |
| 18:32.48 | taraskostiak | its 64bit processor |
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| 18:32.59 | stew | \amethyst: yeah, and /usr/bin/gdm is still the default, "grep gdm /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.templates" |
| 18:33.11 | \amethyst | stew: I wonder why |
| 18:33.21 | \amethyst | stew: (xdm, btw, is much more picky) |
| 18:33.22 | RazaMetaL | taraskostiak: then use the 64 bits version |
| 18:33.26 | stew | \amethyst: probably inertia |
| 18:33.42 | stew | taraskostiak: i386 for 32 bit or amd64 for 64 bit |
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| 18:34.12 | taraskostiak | whats ia64? |
| 18:34.14 | \amethyst | taraskostiak: do you need Java or Flash web browser plugins, or other proprietary software? |
| 18:34.22 | taraskostiak | yes |
| 18:34.24 | \amethyst | taraskostiak: ia64 is Itanium |
| 18:34.33 | RazaMetaL | i'll be trying the Lagbolt comment, uninstaling splashy |
| 18:34.34 | \amethyst | taraskostiak: then 32-bit (i386) iwll be easier to get working |
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| 18:34.53 | taraskostiak | I have 32bit already, wanted to get 64 one |
| 18:34.54 | \amethyst | Lagbolt, RazaMetaL: have you tried the patch? |
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| 18:35.07 | RazaMetaL | \amethyst: no |
| 18:35.08 | Lagbolt | \amethyst, no . . . i didnt want splashy installed |
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| 18:35.11 | stew | taraskostiak: amd64 is the 64 bit arch for your cpu |
| 18:35.14 | Lagbolt | not sure when it go installed |
| 18:35.17 | Lagbolt | so i am happy without it |
| 18:35.22 | taraskostiak | stew: ok |
| 18:35.23 | abrotman | taraskostiak: either i386 or amd64 .. ia64 is NOT what you want |
| 18:35.26 | RazaMetaL | Lagbolt: what are you using to have a nice splash at boot time ? |
| 18:35.29 | \amethyst | taraskostiak: it will be difficult to get flashplayer working, and next to impossible to get the Java plugin working without a 32-bit chroot |
| 18:35.46 | \amethyst | taraskostiak: Sun makes a 64-bit Java, but not a 64-bit Java plugin :( |
| 18:36.07 | stew | gcjwebplugin works for amd64 as long as your java applets do little more than a hello world |
| 18:36.09 | \amethyst | taraskostiak: but if you're willing to deal with or work around those problems, amd64 is what you want |
| 18:36.11 | Lagbolt | RazaMetaL, i like text when i boot |
| 18:36.12 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 18:36.27 | Lagbolt | i have to enter my luks pass anyhow |
| 18:36.36 | \amethyst | you can always set up a 32-bit install inside a chroot and run your web browser from there |
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| 18:36.48 | drcode | hi all |
| 18:36.53 | RazaMetaL | Lagbolt: :) sure, i've found a nice ironmaiden picts as splashy theme and want to show it to my friends |
| 18:37.01 | drcode | Is there good grid in linux? |
| 18:37.06 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: what era Iron Maiden? |
| 18:37.08 | drcode | I want to install apache on grid pc |
| 18:37.09 | RazaMetaL | but... i can live without the splash :) |
| 18:37.15 | drcode | I am new in this area |
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| 18:37.19 | RazaMetaL | \amethyst: no prayer for the dying |
| 18:37.28 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: ooh, my favourite |
| 18:37.36 | RazaMetaL | \amethyst: me too |
| 18:38.12 | RazaMetaL | \amethyst: i saw iron maiden at bogota, colombia at feb 29 |
| 18:38.16 | RazaMetaL | \m/ |
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| 18:38.26 | Lagbolt | maiden is coming to chicago :) |
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| 18:38.31 | Lagbolt | so is motorhead :) happy days |
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| 18:38.40 | RazaMetaL | http://razametal.is-a-geek.org/dscf0697.jpg |
| 18:38.42 | RazaMetaL | :) |
| 18:38.49 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: there is a patch in this message: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=455685#35 |
| 18:38.57 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: it's just one line to change in lsb-base-logging.sh |
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| 18:39.15 | RazaMetaL | \amethyst: great.. i'll try it right now ! |
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| 18:42.19 | RazaMetaL | \amethyst: it works !!! |
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| 18:42.35 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: woot |
| 18:42.43 | RazaMetaL | ?dm) stop_splashy || return 0 ;; on line 118 |
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| 18:42.47 | \amethyst | RazaMetaL: next version of splashy should fix the bug |
| 18:43.29 | RazaMetaL | \amethyst: great .. |
| 18:43.45 | RazaMetaL | \amethyst: now.. i'll test adding the line splash on the kernel opts |
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| 18:44.07 | RazaMetaL | addint the splash option does not load some modules |
| 18:44.54 | arcsky | how to format a usbstick and also make it bootable ? |
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| 18:45.36 | Lagbolt | arcsky, depends . . . what file system? |
| 18:45.45 | Lagbolt | fat? ext3? |
| 18:45.50 | Lagbolt | ext2 i mean |
| 18:45.58 | Lagbolt | there are loads of websites about it |
| 18:46.03 | arcsky | Lagbolt: fat |
| 18:46.06 | Sake | hey, I want to install debian to do nothing but host a vmware server install. Where's a good place to get a tutorial on setting up a debian server with no services running except basic ones? |
| 18:46.17 | tarzeau | fat12, 16, 32? |
| 18:46.18 | arcsky | Lagbolt: cfdisk didnt work :p |
| 18:46.23 | arcsky | Lagbolt: 16 |
| 18:46.27 | Lagbolt | Sake, just run debian installer and install only base system |
| 18:46.30 | n3kl | Sake: google vmware etch |
| 18:46.57 | RazaMetaL | arcsky: dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sda |
| 18:47.11 | RazaMetaL | arcsky: badblocks -svw /dev/sda |
| 18:47.18 | RazaMetaL | arcsky: fdisk /dev/sda |
| 18:47.18 | Sake | n3kl: Yea, I saw this tutorial, was gonna follow it, but just thoguht I'd ask here to see if anybody has any better ideas. |
| 18:47.24 | Sake | question: what's etch? |
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| 18:47.52 | Lagbolt | http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb arcsky read this? |
| 18:48.02 | halflife08 | Sake: www.debian.org/releases |
| 18:48.57 | Sake | so the base system doesn't have any services running, nothing? |
| 18:49.50 | arcsky | Lagbolt: nope thx |
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| 18:49.57 | arcsky | Lagbolt: will check it out |
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| 18:50.33 | RazaMetaL | does not work .. :( |
| 18:50.59 | RazaMetaL | adding the splash line to the kernel options does not load wireless and agppart modules |
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| 18:51.17 | RazaMetaL | manaully loading the iwl3945 module is giving me an error |
| 18:51.25 | RazaMetaL | well.. i can live without the splashy theme :) |
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| 18:52.48 | ruied | Hi! Ive compiled kernel 2.6.25 with --binary-arch and installed theimage and the headers. When I compile mISDN it reports the error: "Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS" it seems to me that is a headers problem... if I compile mISDN with the stock kernel (2.6.18) it starts saying "entering in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18" but if I compile it with the 2.6.25 kernel it start saying "entering in /usr/src/linux-image-2.6.25" (I think it should say "...linux-source-2. |
| 18:52.48 | ruied | 6.25") I dont understand this |
| 18:53.28 | ruied | with the stock kernel it compiles just fine... |
| 18:53.49 | Sake | is there any difference between ubuntu and debian as far as package management goes? |
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| 18:54.04 | ruied | I made my kernel with "make-kpkg --revision |
| 18:54.08 | ruied | ups |
| 18:54.42 | halflife08 | Sake: yes there is difference debian != ubuntu |
| 18:55.09 | Sake | I hear ya. So why choose debian over ubuntu? or vice versa? |
| 18:55.12 | RazaMetaL | halflife08: ubuntu is debian based |
| 18:55.29 | Sake | I'm debating between the two, and I defaulted to ubuntu just cause I got started in linux with their desktop edition |
| 18:55.31 | themill | !tell Sake about why debian |
| 18:55.33 | ruied | I made my kernel with "make-kpkg --revision=0.2 binary-arch --initrd" |
| 18:55.38 | Mundus | Sake: Same reason why you chose anything in your life: You chose what fits your needs best |
| 18:55.40 | halflife08 | RazaMetaL: being based on is not the same as debian = ubuntu |
| 18:55.46 | Sake | but on the server, I don't have the knowledge to make a proper decision |
| 18:56.11 | cloakable | Sake: philosophies, the install base of debian is smaller but it does less for you automatically than Ubuntu. |
| 18:56.39 | halflife08 | sake: if you need your server to be **stable** debian is da way :D |
| 18:57.06 | pflanze | Hm where has mkinitrd and lvmcreate_initrd gone -- is initramfs tools the way to go and do they create /boot/initrd.img files and if so why the h*ll do they not mention that in their manpages? |
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| 18:57.18 | Sake | cool, does debian do everything via sudo or root login? |
| 18:57.37 | Lagbolt | Sake, that is up to you |
| 18:57.40 | Lagbolt | one the other or both |
| 18:57.44 | Bushmills | sake, debian does nothing. user does |
| 18:57.50 | Bushmills | sake, your choice |
| 18:57.51 | Sake | k, I see. I kinda like that |
| 18:58.02 | Sake | umm, I had another question.. can't remember. It'll come to me |
| 18:58.03 | Mundus | But that goes for any distro |
| 18:58.24 | Sake | are the apt-get repositories the same for ubuntu and debian? Does one have more packages than the other? |
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| 18:58.32 | Bushmills | no. different. |
| 18:58.37 | halflife08 | sake: the repos are different |
| 18:58.38 | mhymn | hi |
| 18:58.40 | Lagbolt | Sake, why dont you read about it :) |
| 18:58.46 | Bushmills | debian has about 20000. a bit more. |
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| 18:58.59 | Bushmills | depend on what version |
| 18:59.02 | Bushmills | depends |
| 18:59.06 | themill | !dstats |
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| 18:59.12 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 23100 packages, 1921 maintainers, 59958 MB installed size, 21033 MB compressed size. |
| 18:59.34 | Mundus | If you need help on chosing a distro going to a distro-specific channel is one of least smart things you can do |
| 18:59.58 | Sake | Mundus: really? So where should I go? |
| 19:00.09 | Lagbolt | Sake, go to google :) |
| 19:00.13 | Mundus | Find a linuxhelp channel, or better yet ask google |
| 19:00.24 | Sake | Lagbolt: I'm pinging all information sources concurrently, don't sweat it. :) |
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| 19:03.19 | CharminTheMoose | Sake, try ##linux |
| 19:03.26 | Mundus | If you want everything to work fast an not fully optimized ubuntu is the easier choice because there are tons and tons and tons of guides for ubuntu if your search google. If you're willing to spend some time searching you can set up your system fully optimized, be it debian, ubuntu, gentoo or anything else. That said, ubuntu doesn't automagicly work, just like everything else in the world |
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| 19:05.49 | solemnwarning | Does the adding a user to the root group grant any capabilities over a normal account? |
| 19:06.22 | Mundus | Yes |
| 19:06.32 | nvz | solemnwarning: you do not do such things so its not an issue |
| 19:06.48 | solemnwarning | So I should make a wheel group like normal for restricting su? |
| 19:07.34 | stew | solemnwarning: /msg dpkg wheel |
| 19:07.34 | nvz | why would you restrict su? |
| 19:07.49 | solemnwarning | nvz: Extra security paranoia? :P |
| 19:08.46 | LeGreffi3R | i think sudo is a better solution than restricting su |
| 19:09.41 | nvz | su is already restricted.. you need a password |
| 19:09.46 | nvz | duh |
| 19:09.51 | nvz | actually you need two |
| 19:10.00 | nvz | first you have to login as someone else |
| 19:10.13 | Lagbolt | sudo . . . if your user pass is compromised then your admin is compromised |
| 19:10.26 | nvz | Lagbolt: go back to school |
| 19:10.49 | nvz | Lagbolt: sudo is entirely customizable and only works as root until you do customize it |
| 19:10.50 | solemnwarning | IMO for most cases you might as well just use su |
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| 19:10.56 | samtc | hi |
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| 19:11.08 | samtc | How can I report a bug on a specific package? |
| 19:11.15 | stew | !reportbug |
| 19:11.15 | dpkg | i heard reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for debian-installater bug reporting |
| 19:11.29 | Lagbolt | dude i am talken about for people who use the sudo as alternative to su |
| 19:11.37 | Lagbolt | if you install with no root pass |
| 19:12.01 | simonrvn | only ubuntu does that explicitly... so your point is moot |
| 19:12.06 | Lagbolt | nvz, maybe you should cool your jets before you go making insults |
| 19:12.18 | Lagbolt | simonrvn, not true, new deb installers do it if you leave root pass blank |
| 19:12.35 | Lagbolt | so you now have the option to do it that way |
| 19:12.51 | nvz | Lagbolt: maybe you should stay on topic.. debian doesn't do any such thing :-P |
| 19:12.52 | Lagbolt | and people who install and dont know what they are doing may just take that for the ease |
| 19:12.57 | samtc | stew: thanks |
| 19:13.02 | Lagbolt | nvz, when was last time you used the installer? |
| 19:13.04 | nvz | besides its a stupid user issue has nothing to do with the security of sudo |
| 19:13.16 | nvz | Lagbolt: oh idk, maybe 7-8 years ago? |
| 19:13.25 | themill | nvz: Lagbolt is right. In fact if your account is compromised and you have sudo set up to allow you to sudo to root with any form of credential caching (which is usually how it's set up) then you're easily knocked over by any local exploit in a user app. sudo is not a magic bullet. |
| 19:13.57 | dondelelcaro | not that it matters much anyway, since a local exploit of an account which logs into root is easily exploited |
| 19:14.17 | Lagbolt | dondelelcaro, true true. . . |
| 19:14.18 | themill | indeed. |
| 19:14.20 | dondelelcaro | no matter how you happen to become root |
| 19:14.40 | simonrvn | console access == root access, it's as simple as that |
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| 19:15.29 | nvz | ugh this damn roxio crap just doesn't seem to be going to burn a DVD for me |
| 19:15.49 | nvz | if I can burn these files to DVDs I can get rid of this damn windows computer and be done with it |
| 19:15.55 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know how to get the via unichrome 2 3d packages for xorg ? |
| 19:16.10 | Sake | should I be installing "Standard System" if I want a minimal server installation of debian? |
| 19:16.27 | simonrvn | Lagbolt: i haven't installed without one (i.e. i always set one) |
| 19:16.29 | nvz | the damn thing doesn't even tell me why its failing, just says the disc failed to burn. which George W. could have told you that one |
| 19:16.56 | dondelelcaro | Sake: that's a reasonable selection; you can also deselect that if you want it even more minimal |
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| 19:17.30 | Mundus | Sake: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index |
| 19:17.33 | Lagbolt | simonrvn, as do i |
| 19:17.38 | nvz | "There was a problem writing to the disc" DUH! :-P |
| 19:17.52 | nvz | I noticed that when it poped back out too soon |
| 19:18.00 | nvz | with no data on it |
| 19:18.03 | themill | is waiting for a sudo based worm to work its way through ubuntu systems... sitting there waiting for the user to sudo and then have the credentials stored for 15mins for it to do what it wants. |
| 19:18.07 | Lagbolt | does it even start writing? is it ruining the disc? |
| 19:18.41 | Lagbolt | themill, with popularity comes bad things :-D |
| 19:18.44 | nvz | Lagbolt: disc is still blank man it says burning, about 60min remaining and sits there a minute then gives that stupid error 3 times now |
| 19:18.55 | dondelelcaro | themill: first you'd need a good local exploit; most of those get fixed fairly fast when they're discovered |
| 19:19.14 | nvz | I am about to try another disc, but they are all new just opened the spindle.. Phillips DVD-R 120Min 4.7GB 1-16x |
| 19:19.33 | themill | dondelelcaro: you could come up with a cryptic enough one liner and post it as a useful fix on the ubuntuforums and enough people would use it. |
| 19:19.50 | nvz | I would try other software but I don't know what else I'd find (free) for windows to just burn some data dvds and get rid of this damn computer |
| 19:19.54 | stew | how hard is it to become a MOTU :) |
| 19:20.16 | themill | dondelelcaro: also, working on that theory, there shouldn't be any windows viruses either... |
| 19:20.19 | Lagbolt | nvz, try a diff tool? |
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| 19:20.28 | Lagbolt | ah yeah |
| 19:20.57 | simonrvn | nvz: i've used a free (OEM?) version of toast. i'm sure there's a freeware thingy around |
| 19:20.59 | nvz | Lagbolt: only free tool I know of is cdburnerxp (cdburnerxp.se) and I don't believe it does dvds.. I guess I should check though ;) |
| 19:21.00 | Sake | how do I install ifconfig? |
| 19:21.10 | sandman | Is Nessus the best for its purpose? That is, security-auditing your system? |
| 19:21.12 | Lagbolt | it says dvd |
| 19:21.13 | Lagbolt | http://cdburnerxp.se/download.php |
| 19:21.20 | Lagbolt | ... burns cds and dvds for free |
| 19:21.21 | Lagbolt | :) |
| 19:21.23 | sandman | Or is there something better, or equivelant? (I dislike that they ask for you to register) |
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| 19:22.05 | nvz | ah well I don't have internets on there so I guess I'll have to d/l it on debian and share it with samba |
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| 19:22.26 | simonrvn | Sake: it should already be there, it's in /sbin |
| 19:22.34 | Bushmills | Sake: that's in net-tools, which should come default, no extra installation needed |
| 19:22.35 | nvz | I need to setup the debian box to share the eth1 wifi with the eth0 ethernet that I got hooked to a router |
| 19:22.44 | nvz | just haven't done it yet |
| 19:24.06 | rocketmagnet | does someone know if there are 3d driver for unichrome from via ? |
| 19:24.26 | rocketmagnet | dpkg does only know about "unichrome" but not with 3d |
| 19:24.57 | abrotman | !unichrome |
| 19:24.57 | dpkg | from memory, unichrome is the graphics core found on many recent VIA chipsets. Namely, VIA CLE266, KM400/KN400, K8M800/K8N800, PM800/PM880/CN400. See http://unichrome.sf.net/ or bother libv. see <xorg sarge>. Use the 'via' driver in xorg |
| 19:25.08 | abrotman | i think it's 3d for some |
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| 19:25.22 | rocketmagnet | on winxp it was |
| 19:25.27 | DeadFishMan | rocketmagnet: My laptop has a VIA chipset and apparently, this chipset does not have any driver with 3D and the 2D acclelartion does leave something to be desired based on what I read out there (I haven't installed Debian on it, yet) |
| 19:25.33 | rocketmagnet | but i only find one package for xorg |
| 19:26.06 | nvz | I gotta test my 3d, I just swapped out the TNT2 with this nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200], and it seems to be working with no configuration changes |
| 19:26.19 | nvz | I should have way better 3d now |
| 19:27.27 | simonrvn | i've now got something similar, geforce2 mx400 |
| 19:27.42 | simonrvn | using the radeon 9k now |
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| 19:28.01 | embkas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:28.23 | Bushmills | nvz: NV18 here. a bit older, probably comparable |
| 19:28.48 | nvz | I think its funny I am using synergy and the debian box is the server, I went over to the laptop with my mouse to start the cdburnerxp install via samba off the debian box, and windows defender comes up and my synergy doesn't work.. heh |
| 19:28.55 | Bushmills | nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX |
| 19:29.00 | nvz | you have to use the local input when windows defender runs |
| 19:29.28 | nvz | vista actually has some decent security |
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| 19:29.50 | action09 | oy |
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| 19:30.01 | nvz | its annoying as hell though |
| 19:30.11 | enouf | why yes, yes it is |
| 19:30.22 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:30.23 | dpkg | -dmwaters- {global notice} Hi all! One of our staffer used brackets in a kline, and this caused the servers to crash. We're working on an immediate fix for this problem, and hopefully will have something as soon as possible. I'm very sorry for the interuptions that this has caused, and thank you all for your patience. |
| 19:30.34 | nvz | I can't wait to get rid of this damn thing |
| 19:30.35 | enouf | haha, [ ] |
| 19:30.54 | tarzeau | [lol] |
| 19:30.56 | rocketmagnet | hmm, how can i get libGL.a ? i only have libGL.so and libGL.so.1 |
| 19:31.02 | simonrvn | [holy smokes] |
| 19:31.02 | rocketmagnet | libGLU.a is there |
| 19:31.14 | nvz | !+find ^libGL.a$ |
| 19:31.15 | enouf | [empty joy] |
| 19:31.15 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 19:31.51 | tarzeau | does anyone do print publishing, art, design, dtp work with debian? |
| 19:31.56 | enouf | ia32-libs issue? |
| 19:31.57 | simonrvn | [what are you talking about, enouf?] ;p |
| 19:32.03 | enouf | heh |
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| 19:32.13 | nvz | ah damn cdburnerxp does do dvd now.. I haven't used 4.x yet |
| 19:32.15 | simonrvn | tarzeau: i've used inkscape many times, ;p |
| 19:32.25 | enouf | nvz: imgburn |
| 19:32.35 | tarzeau | simonrvn: and you never cursed about the lack of fonts in debian? |
| 19:33.05 | simonrvn | tarzeau: plenty of fonts, not enough stylised ones though |
| 19:33.09 | nvz | enouf: never heard of that one. |
| 19:33.20 | simonrvn | even with the larabie non-free ones |
| 19:33.21 | tarzeau | simonrvn: which are your favourite? |
| 19:33.23 | nvz | enouf: I am just trying to get all my data off this laptop so I can give it back |
| 19:33.25 | themill | tarzeau: no more than you'd be thinking that the fonts in windoze were enough for such things. |
| 19:33.29 | enouf | nvz: dvdshrink author? er... one of those guys |
| 19:33.38 | tarzeau | themill: haha windows... microsoft and fonts... |
| 19:33.51 | simonrvn | if you're doing serious dtp stuff, you're buying fonts anyway |
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| 19:34.04 | simonrvn | (sad but true) |
| 19:34.19 | tarzeau | simonrvn: it's not like there don't exist high quality free fonts |
| 19:34.37 | simonrvn | not saying there aren't any =) |
| 19:34.42 | simonrvn | afk |
| 19:34.43 | enouf | http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=screenshots |
| 19:34.44 | tarzeau | simonrvn: you can do serious work in many areas without buying software |
| 19:35.16 | enouf | nvz: LIGHTNING UK! should ring a bell or two ;-) |
| 19:35.31 | halflife08 | tarzeau: where do you get your high quality free fonts from ? |
| 19:35.33 | simonrvn | tarzeau: often yes |
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| 19:35.50 | tarzeau | halflife08: i package them for into debian, i get hints from friends :) |
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| 19:36.05 | nvz | ah cdburnerxp failed too.. but at least said what the problem was... |
| 19:36.08 | tarzeau | halflife08: my all-time favourite is the Futura clone, http://gnu.ethz.ch/linuks.mine.nu/beteckna/ |
| 19:36.17 | enouf | nvz: ahh, dvddecrypter guy |
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| 19:36.47 | tarzeau | halflife08: other ones i like: gentium, junicode... and see http://krum.ethz.ch/fonts/ |
| 19:36.56 | halflife08 | tarzeau: aah okay .thank you :) |
| 19:36.59 | enouf | decrypter+shrink were the dealio in the day |
| 19:37.07 | nvz | says "Device error:(226051) Could not write to Disc (LBA:0 Length: 32). Power Calibration Area Error. - 0x037303" |
| 19:37.16 | enouf | OPC issues |
| 19:37.22 | tarzeau | halflife08: the latest pkgs not yet in debian: http://sid.ethz.ch/debian/ (ttf-adf and jameskilfiger, goudybookletter, staffanvilcans) |
| 19:37.31 | nvz | don't know what the hell that means but at least it was more specific than roxio |
| 19:37.42 | enouf | commercial copy protection can do that too |
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| 19:37.53 | nvz | enouf: I am burning data discs |
| 19:37.56 | enouf | Optimum Power Calibration |
| 19:38.03 | halflife08 | tarzeau: oh ok,. when are they likely to make it to the trees ? |
| 19:38.29 | tarzeau | halflife08: depends on debian developer people who sponsor the packages, and then on the new queue (1-8 weeks) |
| 19:38.43 | tarzeau | halflife08: then it's in sid, 7-10 days for testing, 1-2 years for stable |
| 19:39.17 | halflife08 | oh okay. thank you |
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| 19:39.34 | enouf | nvz: though that error seems to indicate the area that should be used to calibrate that is somehow munged |
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| 19:39.42 | n3kl | Anyone know how I can convert latex to word? |
| 19:39.54 | tarzeau | *shudders* |
| 19:39.54 | nvz | enouf: i.e. a bad or dirty disc? |
| 19:40.06 | enouf | nvz: no idea, CD or DVD? |
| 19:40.08 | tarzeau | n3kl: is that word on mac os x or windows? |
| 19:40.09 | halflife08 | gasp! faints at the thought of latex to word |
| 19:40.11 | nvz | enouf: DVD |
| 19:40.15 | nvz | enouf: DVD-R |
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| 19:40.31 | enouf | nvz: er, harder - dvd+rw-mediainfo ? |
| 19:40.43 | enouf | ls dvd |
| 19:40.47 | n3kl | tarzeau: windows word doc |
| 19:40.49 | enouf | i meant lsdvd |
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| 19:41.02 | enouf | isoinfo - or is it UDF? |
| 19:41.09 | tarzeau | n3kl: forget it |
| 19:41.12 | enouf | file -s /dev/sdb |
| 19:41.18 | themill | n3kl: there's a latex2rtf package... it produces something that's sort of OK but doesn't do equations or figures iirc. |
| 19:41.26 | tarzeau | n3kl: or you can try detex/untex ... |
| 19:41.41 | tarzeau | n3kl: but you'll probably lose a lot of important formatting and stuff |
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| 19:41.47 | yigal | n3kl: http://www.tug.org/utilities/texconv/textopc.html |
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| 19:42.24 | enouf | nvz: could be bad blank media - or just the wrong media for your drive .. </guesses> |
| 19:42.30 | yigal | n3kl: I'm sure you've seen that but in case you haven't |
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| 19:42.54 | enouf | nvz: i need to go - good luck |
| 19:46.13 | simonrvn | n3kl: eeeeeeew |
| 19:46.54 | n3kl | Thanks |
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| 19:53.07 | CharminTheMoose | trumps enouf with a pillow. |
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| 19:55.47 | Sake | how do I find out what version kernel I'm using? |
| 19:55.55 | twobitwork | uname -a |
| 19:55.55 | zshzn | uname -a |
| 19:55.56 | halflife08 | Sake: uname -a |
| 19:56.01 | twobitwork | !win twobitwork |
| 19:56.02 | dpkg | Congratulations, twobitwork! You have won the US presidency! |
| 19:56.11 | NekoKun | Would a Xandros driver work in Debian? |
| 19:56.35 | tarzeau | NekoKun: unlikely |
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| 19:57.02 | twobitwork | NekoKun: a better question would be to tell us what hardware you are tying to get running |
| 19:57.06 | Sake | Thanks |
| 19:57.18 | NekoKun | EeePC + Debian netinst |
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| 19:59.16 | pflanze | Hello. Does anyone with a recent ThinkPad know whether it's possible to use the onboard chip instead of the nvidia for X? |
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| 19:59.32 | cahoot | the inte? |
| 19:59.35 | cahoot | l |
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| 20:00.51 | pflanze | cahoot: yep |
| 20:01.14 | cahoot | pflanze: my t61 uses 965GM - just fine with xorg |
| 20:01.51 | pflanze | cahoot: do you also have an nvidia chip? Since I've experimented quite a bit but don't know how to *not* make nvidia run the screen. |
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| 20:02.19 | cahoot | pflanze: you mean you have two graphic devices? |
| 20:03.00 | pflanze | cahoot: I *think* so, at least that's what lspci -vv seems to suggest; and it may make sense, they'd probably make the same board with the intel on it, and then just add the nvidia chip on top or not., |
| 20:03.25 | cahoot | pflanze: I see - no idea then |
| 20:03.36 | pflanze | And nvidia crashes my machine when it starts using the swap. |
| 20:03.57 | DeadFishMan | pflanze: Which driver causes that: nv or nvidia? |
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| 20:04.19 | pflanze | DeadFishMan: nv from unstable (the lenny one did only show black screen) |
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| 20:04.43 | DeadFishMan | pflanze: nv lacks 3d acceleration but it is known for being reliable |
| 20:04.54 | DeadFishMan | pflanze: Try the nvidia driver then |
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| 20:05.46 | pflanze | I'm not using 3d. It works fine until I run something which triggers swap, then it freezes everything (fan goes off so cpu isn't doing anything anymore; ctl-alt-del doesn't reboot) |
| 20:06.04 | pflanze | If I'm running into swap on the console, everything is fine, so it must be X |
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| 20:06.14 | JarJarBinks | Hi ppl. I' |
| 20:06.35 | JarJarBinks | m looking for a resource on how to run debian on a read-only device |
| 20:06.36 | pflanze | cahoot: could you post me your working GM965 configuration? |
| 20:07.00 | pflanze | lspci shows me exactly that chip |
| 20:07.31 | pflanze | cahoot: or send it to me through dcc |
| 20:08.32 | pflanze | (lspci says: "Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c)".."Kernel modules: intel-agp") |
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| 20:09.13 | DeadFishMan | pflanze: But this is not a VGA adapter, is it? |
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| 20:09.42 | pflanze | DeadFishMan: hm, how do I find out? |
| 20:10.03 | DeadFishMan | It says "Host Bridge" on the lspci output |
| 20:10.34 | DeadFishMan | pflanze: Most likely your video chipset is indeed the Nvidia one |
| 20:10.58 | pflanze | DeadFishMan: dunno, the GM965 part is which everyone is using without an nvidia adapter. And what would intel-agp mean in that context? |
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| 20:11.11 | DeadFishMan | pflanze: If you tried the free driver and got those problems, I'd try the non-free drivers just in case |
| 20:11.27 | DeadFishMan | pflanze: Dunno, I am kinda wondering about that part, too. ^^ |
| 20:11.33 | pflanze | I'd prefer running the intel chip if that's possible. |
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| 20:12.15 | cusco | would that be like for an external screen? |
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| 20:13.01 | stew | pflanze: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:13.24 | pflanze | cusco: dunno, I'm hoping both chips would somehow go to the internal lcd; stew: lenny with X from sid |
| 20:13.44 | DeadFishMan | pflanze: And what is the model of your Thinkpad? T60, T61...? |
| 20:14.12 | pflanze | JarJarBinks: check http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 20:14.25 | pflanze | T61 |
| 20:14.44 | keith4 | which requires more CPU, exporting a disk via iscsi, or via ataoe? |
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| 20:15.37 | stew | pflanze: http://paste.debian.net/1557 is a working xorg.conf for my t61 |
| 20:15.42 | stew | pflanze: (using intel) |
| 20:16.16 | pflanze | Thanks stew! Going to try it |
| 20:16.39 | pflanze | hm |
| 20:16.40 | DeadFishMan | This Gentoo page says that the chipset is indeed from NVidia but then it lists another video driver, an Intel's I guess: i810 |
| 20:16.42 | DeadFishMan | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Lenovo_Thinkpad_T61#video_drivers |
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| 20:17.37 | DeadFishMan | afk |
| 20:17.41 | Cyorxamp | I'd like to run apache twice, already running one normally on port 80, the other I want on 8080 running under a different user:group... I've made another httpd.conf and tried starting the 2nd apache using apache2ctl but it moans its already running. :( - please help |
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| 20:18.31 | lilferry | anyone know a good vps provider? (with swap) |
| 20:20.04 | twobitwork | what do you mean with swap? |
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| 20:21.12 | cloxer | wich ver of gnome is in lenny? |
| 20:21.34 | twobitwork | Cyorxamp: you might have to pass an option on the commandline to either apache2ctl or apache itself to get it to use a different pid file and config file |
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| 20:22.01 | twobitwork | cloxer: check packages.debian.org |
| 20:22.08 | cloxer | i do |
| 20:22.32 | cloxer | but o didn't find the answer |
| 20:23.15 | twobitwork | you didn't find this: http://packages.debian.org/testing/gnome/gnome ? |
| 20:23.42 | cloxer | how did you get it? |
| 20:23.50 | cloxer | i was searching |
| 20:24.34 | twobitwork | packages.debian.org -> View package lists -> View packages for testing -> GNOME |
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| 20:24.43 | Sake | I can't seem to mount my samba share in my debian install.. what am I doing wrong? mount -t cifs //COMPUTER_NAME/folder/ /mnt/folder/ -o username=<user>,password=<pass>,uid=administrator,gid=administrator,ip=192.168.1.5 |
| 20:24.48 | balibalo | I have an apache on debian etch, I want to add imap php function, how I can do this |
| 20:24.50 | balibalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.56 | balibalo | ? |
| 20:25.15 | lilferry | twobitwork: with swap space, many vps providers dont give swap space. |
| 20:25.20 | cloxer | ohh, ok, thanks for all twobitwork |
| 20:25.24 | keith4 | balibalo: "imap php function"? |
| 20:25.33 | balibalo | yes |
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| 20:25.49 | twobitwork | lilferry: strange... well, TekTonic is where I get my VPS and they have a debian install with swap |
| 20:25.56 | keith4 | well, you need php. you need the php module for apache, and you need the impa module for php |
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| 20:26.05 | lilferry | I remember a good "do it yourself" vps provider that had good prices and swap space but I cant remember the name.. |
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| 20:26.26 | lilferry | okay twobitwork. I will check them out |
| 20:26.29 | twobitwork | lilferry: well... swap space is just a matter of how you partition the drive... |
| 20:26.43 | keith4 | balibalo: so, 'apt-get install apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 php5-imap php5' |
| 20:27.11 | twobitwork | but yeah... tektonic has good prices and I haven't had any downtime, other than once for scheduled maintenance, and they warned me 2 days in advance |
| 20:27.13 | lilferry | twovitwork: 128mb ram and no swap space doesnt get you far |
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| 20:27.24 | balibalo | keith4, thank s |
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| 20:28.06 | balibalo | I am going to apply just apt-get install php5-imap, I have the others |
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| 20:32.04 | Cybodog | got a kernel-package question: did append-to-version=.cybo.1 revision=custom.1.0, uname -r = 2.6.25.cybo.1 |
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| 20:32.44 | Cybodog | trying to make-kpkg modules_image, erroring out: The changelog says we are creating 2.6.25.cybo.1, but I thought the version is 2.6.25 |
| 20:32.59 | Cybodog | How do I fix the expected version number? |
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| 20:34.33 | Cybodog | it has been many years since I played with custom kernels and I can't remember how I over came this in the past |
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| 20:34.57 | st1650 | I'm getting fed up with the poor performance of my PowerEdge 2650 perc controller; would it be better to put my 5 scsi drivers in raid 0 and do linux software raid? |
| 20:35.28 | Cybodog | st1650 I don't know if better, but I know many dell users do just that. |
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| 20:35.33 | yup | hello |
| 20:35.47 | Cybodog | st1650 and I mean people with 9 gen servers |
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| 20:36.30 | yup | what can you suggest for network dictionary server/client |
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| 20:36.38 | st1650 | Cybodog: See, I'm selling this server ... I used have gentoo running on it fine but I put back Win 2000 for the client and I get 8MB/Sec on raid5 ! It should be 10 times faster especially with 15K Cheetah drivers |
| 20:36.56 | Benzi | hi, I'm an apt noob... how do I revert to an old version of a package? Lilypond, for example? |
| 20:37.05 | Cybodog | st1650 but then why do you care about the speed? |
| 20:37.07 | st1650 | So I'm thinking about doing Debian + Software raid + Vmware |
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| 20:37.24 | Cybodog | st1650, it will work, don't know about through put, test it. |
| 20:37.26 | st1650 | Cybodog: I don't want the client to complain about piss poor performance |
| 20:37.28 | twobitwork | !downgrade |
| 20:37.28 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 20:37.44 | Benzi | :( |
| 20:37.47 | Nyle | i lost my keyboard |
| 20:37.52 | Benzi | debian amd64 lilypond is broken |
| 20:37.55 | twobitwork | Nyle: where'd you put it? |
| 20:37.55 | Cybodog | st1650 mdadm is fast, sometimes as fast as hardware, sometimes faster. |
| 20:38.04 | st1650 | I'll google it |
| 20:38.12 | twobitwork | Benzi: did you check the bug tracker? |
| 20:38.12 | st1650 | Should I do it with Etch or Lenny & |
| 20:38.15 | Nyle | sw keyboard is irritating |
| 20:38.32 | Cybodog | st1650 deps on the purpose of the box. |
| 20:38.33 | helo | i'm having some trouble getting my ipw3945 in this toshiba laptop to associate using WPA |
| 20:38.40 | twobitwork | Nyle: is it a PS/2 keyboard that maybe got unpluged and pluged back in? |
| 20:38.43 | Cybodog | thinks you are nuts running production off of stable |
| 20:38.44 | Nyle | twobitwork, i dunno, i moved yesterday |
| 20:38.59 | helo | i think everything is configured properly, but all i get is "Authentication with 00:00:00:00:00:00 timed out." |
| 20:39.02 | Nyle | its not in my new apt |
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| 20:39.05 | lilferry | twobitwork: I found some really bad reviews on tektonic. What are your experiences with it? |
| 20:39.13 | twobitwork | Nyle: ohh. so you did mean that physically lost your keyboard :P I was just being a smartass :P |
| 20:39.23 | Nyle | i guess i forgot to bring it |
| 20:39.23 | twobitwork | lilferry: no problems |
| 20:39.24 | helo | when i run wpa_supplicant -Dwext -ieth2 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 20:39.35 | twobitwork | lilferry: but I don't do a lot of high-trafic stuff, so ymmv |
| 20:39.50 | helo | what determines whether a wireless device shows up as ethX or wlanX? |
| 20:39.52 | Nyle | ;) |
| 20:40.31 | Benzi | wow, the bug tracker was right |
| 20:40.35 | Benzi | thanks twobitwork |
| 20:40.40 | Nyle | i finally live where i can get cable |
| 20:40.52 | Nyle | dsl was icky |
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| 20:41.34 | Nyle | my new isp is blazing @ 10Mbps |
| 20:41.35 | valdyn | helo: first the driver, then udev saves whatever was picked by the driver |
| 20:41.38 | Muffin | So, a new kernel-image was just installed, but I don't want to reboot my machine. Is there a way to just hot-switch kernels? |
| 20:41.42 | Nyle | full speed |
| 20:41.50 | keith4 | how do I manually remount something read-only? |
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| 20:42.01 | Nyle | -o ro |
| 20:42.06 | yup | mount -o remount,ro something |
| 20:42.06 | keith4 | thanks |
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| 20:42.24 | Cybodog | keith4 mount -t whatever /path/to/mount /path-where/mounted -0 ro |
| 20:42.30 | twobitwork | man mount^M /remount |
| 20:42.47 | edwin_quijada | There is something way to implement a domain using just linux? |
| 20:42.56 | edwin_quijada | or somtething like that |
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| 20:43.14 | keith4 | "a domain"? |
| 20:43.14 | twobitwork | edwin_quijada: what does "implement a domain" mean? |
| 20:43.14 | Muffin | edwin_quijada: What do you mean? |
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| 20:44.01 | edwin_quijada | I have a center with 10 pc now they have a domain with XP so I wanna install linux but they ask me that install your domain |
| 20:44.08 | twobitwork | Muffin: the kernel is the one thing you have to reboot for, unfortunately |
| 20:44.18 | edwin_quijada | and I dont know what can I do to implement this |
| 20:44.37 | yup | maybe samba will be useful for this ? |
| 20:44.42 | twobitwork | edwin_quijada: ohh... windows terminology.... ick |
| 20:44.44 | DeadFishMan | thinks that edwin_quijada wants to make his Linux box to join a NT domain |
| 20:44.51 | Muffin | sniffs about losing his uptime |
| 20:45.11 | twobitwork | Muffin: I could be wrong... but it just doesn't make sense that you can just swap kernels while running |
| 20:45.19 | Muffin | edwin_quijada: I'm still not quite sure what you mean. What do you need your system to do? |
| 20:45.30 | Muffin | twobitwork: I agree. People suggest ksplice, but this is an upgrade not just a patch... |
| 20:45.37 | amphi | perhas he means kexec |
| 20:45.41 | twobitwork | Muffin: ahh, right |
| 20:46.05 | edwin_quijada | Muffin: I need download politics to all machines and something like that |
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| 20:46.22 | edwin_quijada | like windows |
| 20:46.31 | DeadFishMan | edwin_quijada: Are you talking about GPOs on an Active Directory domain? |
| 20:46.46 | edwin_quijada | I know Ldap is the same but I dont know how to implement all |
| 20:46.51 | twobitwork | well... kexec does a sort of soft reboot, afaict... |
| 20:46.51 | keith4 | yikes |
| 20:46.53 | edwin_quijada | DeadFishMan: Yes!!! |
| 20:47.02 | twobitwork | I think you would still lose your uptime |
| 20:47.10 | abrotman | edwin_quijada: you probably want to ask #samba |
| 20:47.14 | keith4 | allegedly, samba4 will be able to emulate a domain controller |
| 20:47.24 | keith4 | but that's not a fun road to go down |
| 20:47.30 | edwin_quijada | I use samba but join to Server 2003 |
| 20:47.37 | edwin_quijada | I wanna change everything |
| 20:47.38 | DeadFishMan | Dunno if Samba can do it. Heard something about an app called Likewise Open that might do it, though |
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| 20:48.06 | twobitwork | edwin_quijada: don't we all.... |
| 20:48.08 | edwin_quijada | so samba doesnt work form me |
| 20:48.14 | arcsky | when i install debian from a usbstick do i have to do something in the installation guide ? it says "cant mount the cdrom" |
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| 20:49.41 | Nwallins | Hi, on apt-get upgrade, I am getting: Retrieving bug reports... 0% W: unsupported proxy `false' |
| 20:49.49 | Nwallins | how can i fix / troubleshoot? |
| 20:49.58 | alan` | looK In your sources |
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| 20:50.43 | Nwallins | alan`: looks fine |
| 20:50.46 | feitingen | hi, do i need to load/build a module for rs232 serial ports or is it built in the debian stock kernel? |
| 20:50.53 | Nwallins | 3 lines |
| 20:51.10 | valdyn | feitingen: "modprobe serial" |
| 20:51.14 | feitingen | thank |
| 20:51.47 | tanuki33 | Hi all... I am having a problem with grub. I put selinux=1on the #Kopt line it grub.lst and ran update-grub. during boot i end up with a kernel panic. so I booted with rescue CD and changed selinux to 0 in the menu.lst.. it still insists on booting with selinux enforced |
| 20:51.52 | valdyn | feitingen: oh nm, its built in |
| 20:52.09 | tanuki33 | i am asking in grub as well |
| 20:52.16 | Nwallins | alan`: deb http://ftp.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/debian etch main \n deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 20:52.40 | feitingen | valdyn: ah, thanks. |
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| 20:56.57 | edwin_quijada | maybe NIS Server |
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| 20:57.33 | abrotman | !nis |
| 20:57.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nis is the Network Information System. It can be used to distribute files across networks. It is commonly used to maintain staff directories and files like /etc/group. Many sysadmins hate it because it is insecure. See also NFS.. Network Information Service, or http://www.levenez.com/NeXTSTEP/Xedoc.gif |
| 20:57.46 | webPragmatist | can I ask questions about trouble with the backports here? |
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| 20:57.54 | webPragmatist | this is the error http://www.pastebin.ca/997787 |
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| 21:00.46 | momaf | anyone know any good irc channel about internet related topics? e.g. routing, tcp/ip, etc |
| 21:01.07 | alan` | momaf: what OS are you trying to do it under? |
| 21:01.58 | momaf | alan`: i was thinking of a more general discussion channel... :) but actually i'd use linux :D |
| 21:03.42 | twobitwork | momaf: try #networking |
| 21:04.45 | momaf | twobitwork: thanks :) |
| 21:04.52 | twobitwork | np |
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| 21:06.53 | alan` | momaf: than the linux channel, and idk of any networking channels on freenode |
| 21:07.02 | alan` | woops |
| 21:07.12 | alan` | lol someone already got there lol |
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| 21:11.46 | octox2 | is www.debian-multimedia.org down right now ? |
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| 21:15.54 | angelblade | hi.. any idea por fix this?? a machine proliant was running debian and the power suply is off....electricity back and the machine try boot show this error "crc error --- System halted" |
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| 21:17.06 | edwin_quijada | with a NIS server I can centralize all passwords into my network? |
| 21:17.08 | Selveste1 | Hey out there - how do I make an alias sow I just type ll and not ls -l ? |
| 21:17.41 | yup | edwin_quijada: for linux ? |
| 21:17.44 | RazaMetaL | Selveste1: try with alias ls='ls -l' |
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| 21:18.29 | Selveste1 | thnx :D |
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| 21:22.05 | gloin | Question: On an etch box, I've got a fstab entry with _netdev option, but it doesn't mount automatically once networking comes alive. I can do a mount -a when the system is up and it mounts just fine. What gives? |
| 21:22.18 | webPragmatist | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-June/117518.html |
| 21:22.29 | webPragmatist | does anyone understand this |
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| 21:23.55 | DirkGently | webPragmatist: how is that Debian related? |
| 21:24.00 | DirkGently | It's Ubuntu |
| 21:24.12 | webPragmatist | o.O |
| 21:24.25 | webPragmatist | DirkGently: it's the same error and I'm 90% sure it's the same problem |
| 21:24.53 | alturiak | !ubuntu |
| 21:24.54 | webPragmatist | and considering debian/ubuntu extremely similar |
| 21:24.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 21:25.28 | webPragmatist | I'm not asking for help with ubuntu :\ |
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| 21:25.36 | webPragmatist | but I am posting errors that are similar to mine |
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| 21:25.46 | themill | webPragmatist: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 21:26.00 | webPragmatist | themill: well all I am trying to do is install postgresql from backports |
| 21:26.44 | themill | webPragmatist: using the postgresql-8.3 package? |
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| 21:26.50 | webPragmatist | 8.2 |
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| 21:27.10 | webPragmatist | themill: I tried using 8.3 and had 8.2 installed and removed it |
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| 21:27.26 | webPragmatist | then i was having trouble with 8.3 so i removed that and tried to install 8.2 again and now i'm getting this error |
| 21:27.53 | webPragmatist | so i guess the process of removing 8.2 did something with my var dir maybe? |
| 21:28.25 | Badenser | hi all, when I shut down my box I see a line at the end, that / was not umounted because it was busy. Might this be a problem and what might block the umount there? |
| 21:30.14 | \amethyst | Badenser: maybe a program stuck in state 'D' (uninterruptable sleep, usually waiting on hardware, and meaning it can be killed) |
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| 21:30.33 | \amethyst | since the program can't be killed, it is still holding open files |
| 21:30.44 | gloin | neil, how did you do that with your nick? |
| 21:30.46 | webPragmatist | themill: any idea? |
| 21:30.47 | gloin | or why? |
| 21:30.59 | Badenser | \amethyst, well, I cannot kill it or check it with lsof because the system is already going down ... |
| 21:31.10 | \amethyst | gloin: because \ is a letter in IRC |
| 21:31.16 | gloin | but - isn't |
| 21:31.19 | gloin | nor is -= |
| 21:31.30 | \amethyst | gloin: oh, what do you see as my nick? |
| 21:31.32 | gloin | or else I'd go on as -=[NK]=-KimJong`afk |
| 21:31.39 | themill | webPragmatist: I'm not finding anything on this... |
| 21:31.52 | webPragmatist | themill: did you read that ubuntu article? |
| 21:31.58 | gloin | \amethyst: I'm seeing \amethyst |
| 21:32.02 | webPragmatist | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2007-June/117518.html |
| 21:32.02 | gloin | which is interesting |
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| 21:32.17 | webPragmatist | themill: I just don't understand what the guy is saying |
| 21:32.21 | \amethyst | gloin: yes, that's correct. \ [ ] | { } are letters in IRC for historical reasons |
| 21:32.27 | gloin | hmm |
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| 21:33.04 | \amethyst | gloin: (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_646 for more information) |
| 21:33.12 | themill | webPragmatist: what version of postgresql-common do you have installed? |
| 21:33.39 | \amethyst | gloin: \ corresponds to à in Swedish ISO 646, à in Danish and Norwegian ISO 646 |
| 21:34.03 | gloin | ah, so |
| 21:34.14 | gloin | just wants his damn _netdev to mount |
| 21:34.19 | \amethyst | gloin: (this is the same reason that \ looks like ¥ in most Asian versions of windows) |
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| 21:34.49 | webPragmatist | themill: it's not installed |
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| 21:36.44 | themill | webPragmatist: hmm... that sounds odd. |
| 21:36.50 | tramp | gloin: do you start networking the "normal way", i.e. through /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:37.20 | st1650 | I really have a problem here, I have a poweredge 2650 and my HD read speed is awful (stuck at 10M/sec both on Server 2000 and 2003) ... what might be wrong in my settings? |
| 21:37.37 | muddd | windows |
| 21:37.47 | st1650 | nah |
| 21:37.50 | webPragmatist | themill: hrm is it not a dependency |
| 21:37.56 | st1650 | tried Lenny and Etch ... same thing |
| 21:37.57 | gloin | tramp: it got pushed off into udev, which I kind of wish weren't the case |
| 21:38.05 | muddd | hdparm? |
| 21:38.06 | st1650 | 10M/sec raid5 and 50MB/sec raid0 |
| 21:38.11 | st1650 | hdparm -tT /dev/sda |
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| 21:38.28 | tramp | gloin: well, udev and interfaces don't conflict |
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| 21:38.35 | muddd | hdparm -I ? |
| 21:38.43 | muddd | or was it -i |
| 21:38.44 | gloin | I suppose if I commented out the "allow-hotplug" line it might improve |
| 21:39.09 | gloin | I actually really want to get this interface _out_ of udev |
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| 21:39.12 | themill | webPragmatist: it's a dependency of postgresql-8.2 |
| 21:39.24 | webPragmatist | themill: yea just double checked that |
| 21:39.24 | tramp | gloin: however, the startup should be handled by /etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs |
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| 21:39.57 | gloin | tramp: it's not NFS |
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| 21:40.08 | gloin | it's ISCSI (inside an LVM) |
| 21:40.23 | tramp | gloin: so you may either (a) add an explicit mount ... line to interfaces (b) add a script to the mentioned directory which does this (c) debug the script I mentioned to check, why it doesn't mount your case |
| 21:40.40 | tramp | gloin: oh, i doubt iscsi is handled by mountnfs. |
| 21:40.46 | gloin | yeah :) |
| 21:40.58 | tramp | gloin: so add your own script then |
| 21:41.21 | gloin | heh |
| 21:41.38 | gloin | "Also mounts SMB filesystems now, so the name of this script is getting increasingly inaccurate." |
| 21:41.50 | tramp | all this handling of mounts in different places is a "best effort" anyways and I'd expect it to fail |
| 21:41.51 | themill | webPragmatist: do you still have a user for pg in /etc/passwd? |
| 21:41.53 | gloin | tramp: any idea how to get my interface out of udev? |
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| 21:42.17 | tramp | gloin: nope |
| 21:42.31 | gloin | I really need it to block the boot process and not background |
| 21:42.36 | gloin | while the interface comes online |
| 21:42.48 | gloin | stuff happens out of sequence otherwise |
| 21:43.05 | gloin | like iscsi trying to initiate with networking down |
| 21:43.40 | gloin | put in a fugly hack ("wait 60") on the iscsi initscript, but that's just fugly and wrong |
| 21:44.37 | s0lid | how do i start mysql with --skip-grant-tables |
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| 21:47.24 | webPragmatist | themill: sorry no |
| 21:47.36 | gloin | s0lid: which version? |
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| 21:47.49 | themill | webPragmatist: I wonder if that's part of the problem here. |
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| 21:47.56 | webPragmatist | er wait no i still do |
| 21:47.58 | webPragmatist | let me delete it |
| 21:48.00 | sin_ | hi guys, I have cron, crontab -l says that I do not have a crontab for my user account, however if I put a shell script inside /etc/cron.hourly/ will it be executed once every hour ? even if my user or the root user is not a cron member ? |
| 21:48.46 | webPragmatist | themill: it doesn't even create it though |
| 21:49.08 | themill | webPragmatist: the -common package probably handles that. |
| 21:49.26 | gloin | s0lid: not to be too over the top here, but I did a quick search and you will find answers right on the first page: |
| 21:49.29 | gloin | http://www.google.com/search?q=mysql+skip+grant+tables |
| 21:49.56 | s0lid | yeah got it |
| 21:50.07 | s0lid | gloin, my version is 5 |
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| 21:50.20 | s0lid | gloin, i need help i accidentally removed root on mysql5 |
| 21:50.25 | s0lid | gloin, how can i recreate it? |
| 21:50.30 | gloin | sure |
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| 21:50.36 | gloin | you know any SQL? |
| 21:51.04 | dondelelcaro | !i forgot mysql'q root password |
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| 21:51.24 | gloin | might be good to ask in #mysql - I'm rusty and don't want to send you down the wrong path |
| 21:51.43 | dondelelcaro | !forgot mysql root password |
| 21:51.43 | dpkg | If you've forgotten the mysql root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start, or http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/resetting-permissions.html |
| 21:51.51 | dondelelcaro | s0lid: see above. |
| 21:51.53 | webPragmatist | themill: yea it is dieing installing common... wtf |
| 21:52.08 | markw_ | dang, dpkg could be a sysadmin. :) |
| 21:52.30 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: i forgot mysql's root password is <reply> see forgot mysql root password |
| 21:52.30 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 21:52.32 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: i forgot mysql root password is <reply> see forgot mysql root password |
| 21:52.33 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
| 21:52.54 | themill | webPragmatist: I don't know enough about the guts of pg here... others do though. |
| 21:53.21 | yigal | Hello |
| 21:53.37 | webPragmatist | themill: the problem lies with the permissions of the /var/lib directory I am almost certain |
| 21:53.39 | s0lid | ok great! i'll try that! |
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| 21:53.54 | themill | webPragmatist: what are they currently? |
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| 21:54.25 | webPragmatist | drwxr-xr-x 27 root root |
| 21:54.38 | themill | webPragmatist: that's normal. nothing wrong there. |
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| 21:58.16 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: what is the error you get when installing postgresql-common? |
| 21:58.45 | \amethyst | webPragmatist: also, is it version 71 from etch, or 87~bpo40+1 from backports? |
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| 21:59.26 | s0lid | i have a problem with this command |
| 21:59.27 | s0lid | UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root' |
| 21:59.30 | s0lid | i don't have root user |
| 21:59.37 | s0lid | i accidentally delete it |
| 22:00.53 | sandman | So is OpenVAS basically a more open form of nessus, then? |
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| 22:14.06 | yup | s0lid: GRANT ALL ON *.* TO 'root'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY 'password'; |
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| 22:24.56 | peleg | I have made a script - a simple one, that backups data - and when I run it from the terminal it works well. when I run it from cron it doesn't work; cron mails me the "error"; in that "error" I see the output of my script until a specific stage, but then it just stops for now apparent reason; but I do know that it always stops at the same stage. How can I debug it? |
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| 22:25.42 | peleg | take my words back! |
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| 22:26.07 | twobitsprite | I'm in the market for a linux pocket pc/palm pilot/etc ... any recommendations? |
| 22:28.10 | Bushmills | twobitsprite: i'm looking at the nokia n800 as candidate to replace my old ipaq |
| 22:28.27 | twobitsprite | Bushmills, I'll look it up, thanks |
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| 22:29.30 | twobitsprite | the web site for it says its not currently available in my location... :P |
| 22:29.45 | Acxty | Hi guys, I got a ip telephone line. They gave me a proxy server, user and passwd, where can I get information on how to configure that? I have no graphical desktop |
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| 22:30.41 | Bushmills | Acxty: from the manual of your voip box |
| 22:31.06 | Bushmills | Acxty: alternatively, you'd use a voip program on your computer |
| 22:31.16 | Acxty | Bushmills, has no voip box, the line was assigned by the isp. I am trying to make it work with asterisk |
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| 22:32.06 | bokbaard | someone wouldnt happen to be in the mood to paste me an example of the default and one other vhost on pastebin? Im having a hard time getting my vhosts to work using the debian style apache confs |
| 22:32.06 | Bushmills | Acxty: you'd look at something like, say, the linksys pap2 which is pretty low-cost |
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| 22:33.31 | pandaboner | hello |
| 22:33.41 | pandaboner | any debian ppc users like me? |
| 22:34.07 | pandaboner | i have debian on a g3 bondi blue imac |
| 22:35.00 | Bushmills | pandaboner: 871 |
| 22:35.11 | Bushmills | says it here: http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 22:35.27 | pandaboner | cool thanks |
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| 22:37.31 | pandaboner | was i automatically added to this list when i installed debian and connected to the internet or do i have to opt in? |
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| 22:38.02 | Bushmills | no. |
| 22:38.11 | twobitsprite | pandaboner, you were probably asked when you installed |
| 22:38.13 | Bushmills | unless you installed the package which does |
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| 22:38.54 | extor | What is the best way to clean a potentially rooted debian box if you have shell access? If I upload a toolbox of uncompromized binaries, copy 2048 bytes off the boot sector and then run checksums on all binaries is that a pretty decent start? |
| 22:39.05 | pandaboner | oh yeah i remember |
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| 22:40.06 | twobitsprite | wow... about the same number of ARM users as PPC :P |
| 22:40.23 | Bushmills | extor: do you have backups of your configs? |
| 22:40.30 | Bushmills | i.e. /etc/* |
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| 22:47.00 | _ZeuZ_ | somebody knows of something like kmyfirewall? |
| 22:47.06 | extor | Bushmills I can make backups |
| 22:47.12 | extor | I don't have old old old backups though |
| 22:47.26 | extor | It is a standard 64 bit debian etch install |
| 22:47.33 | Bushmills | extor: then just replacing binaries may not be enough |
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| 22:48.57 | bokbaard | _ZeuZ_ negative, I only promote firehol :P |
| 22:49.13 | extor | So I need to run a sed script, looking for irregularities in scripts and config files? |
| 22:49.16 | _ZeuZ_ | bokbaard, lol |
| 22:49.48 | _ZeuZ_ | I need something with a GUI for someone appart from me... I allready dealed enough with my firewall script, now it's working since... 6 months ago |
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| 22:50.50 | Bushmills | extor: how would you know what an irregularity is? and wherein? could be in inetd config, in pam.d, you user files of course ... |
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| 22:51.30 | Bushmills | your crontabs, of course |
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| 22:52.12 | Bushmills | i'd reinstall. |
| 22:52.16 | extor | speaking of cronjobs, this one cron job was supposed to bounce apache hourly in case it got hung...and "apache2ctl restart" had been changed to "apache2ctl " and I had a feeling it wasn't me that did that...not 100% sure but still paranoid enough to give it a complete scrubbing |
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| 22:52.31 | extor | reinstalling is not an option because I just got ssh access like i said |
| 22:53.07 | Bushmills | well, if running a potentially broken in box is a better option ... |
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| 22:53.33 | exo2k | !opengl |
| 22:53.33 | dpkg | i guess opengl is (Open Graphics Language) This is a 3D graphics API developed by Silicon Graphics., but at http://www.eecs.tulane.edu/www/Terry/OpenGL/Introduction.html. There is also a free implementation for it, ask me about mesa |
| 22:53.33 | \amethyst | extor: and your host won't reinstall for you? |
| 22:53.46 | Bushmills | can you boot into a rescue system? via netboot maybe? |
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| 22:53.59 | extor | Nope I don't think I have that frill |
| 22:54.09 | \amethyst | extor: then you need to get a new host |
| 22:54.13 | exo2k | !eve |
| 22:54.13 | dpkg | i heard eve is short for E V I L |
| 22:54.15 | exo2k | lol |
| 22:54.40 | extor | my host will reinstall for me...but I would rather do this myself first. Reinstalling is more like "cheating" and running away from the problem |
| 22:54.52 | \amethyst | extor: because if someone installed an evil kernel module, it can hide quite well, even from root |
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| 22:55.35 | _haxi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.58 | extor | yeah but I can still copy the boot sector...hrmm... |
| 22:56.14 | exo2k | anyone here play eve online with intel GMA 950. |
| 22:57.00 | \amethyst | extor: it doesn't have to affect the boot sector at all |
| 22:57.13 | Bushmills | extor: a boot sector virus is probably the least likely potential problem |
| 22:57.13 | \amethyst | just a kernel module |
| 22:57.23 | disposable | is there any sed/awk/perl expert here? i need a script that would change every [12 to [13 ; every =12 to =13 ; every te3 to te4 in a file with 5000 lines. pretty please |
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| 22:57.36 | momaf | rootkit! rootkit! |
| 22:57.44 | Bushmills | s/virus/backdoor/ |
| 22:57.45 | extor | ok what you are saying is that the kernel is backdoored...however I can still COPY the kernel binary from /boot can I not? With a non-compromized cp binary and then checksum it? |
| 22:57.49 | \amethyst | disposable: exactly those, or should [15 be changed to [16 ? |
| 22:58.03 | Guerin | disposable: /msg dpkg sed cheats |
| 22:58.15 | lilferry | extor whats the problem? |
| 22:58.30 | disposable | \amethyst: exactly those and then 15 to 16 and so on.. |
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| 22:58.38 | extor | lilferry just a suspicion I may be rooted, both at home and on a remote web server |
| 22:58.48 | extor | So thinking of scrubbing both boxes down as well as possible |
| 22:58.52 | Bushmills | extor: then you have - maybe - curcumvented one route of attack |
| 22:58.55 | \amethyst | disposable: so replace each number that comes after '[', '=', and 'te' with the following number? |
| 22:58.59 | lilferry | extor check access logs maybe |
| 22:59.04 | Bushmills | extor what are you going to do about the remaining 999? |
| 22:59.06 | JyZyXEL | rootkit sources anywhere? |
| 22:59.10 | extor | looks at lilferry and shakes his head |
| 22:59.12 | JyZyXEL | would be interesting to see |
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| 22:59.48 | dworkin | \amethyst, yes please |
| 22:59.51 | rgr | where do I set EXPORT variables so that things like emacs launched from the menu inherit them? Not .bashrc. |
| 22:59.55 | extor | Bushmills most of those 999 will be checkable if my kernel is ok...I will upload a toolkit with uncompromized binaries and checksum each file on the box... |
| 23:00.06 | exo2k | how do i use opengl with xorg? |
| 23:00.17 | \amethyst | disposable: something like perl -ple 's/(\[|=|te)(\d+)/$1 . ($2+1)/ge' |
| 23:00.53 | angrylogic | extor: if your kernel is infected then even a non-modified cp binary can be made to return anything the attacker wants. Unless you can actually pull the disk and look at the kernel from another machine there is no way to be sure its not modified. |
| 23:01.02 | Guerin | exo2k: using the correct xgl driver for your vide device |
| 23:01.10 | Guerin | +o |
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| 23:01.26 | disposable | \amethyst: i'll give it a try.. |
| 23:01.50 | Bushmills | extor: it is your call. if you do that to not "run away" and refrain from having a new system installed, then i hope you will find the peace coming from not being nagged by thoughts of having overlooked something. |
| 23:02.33 | extor | angrylogic oh but I can also work around that by doing something like "dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/tmp/very.large.dumpfile count=10000" and then recreate the dump on a home machine and check the checksum of the /boot/vmlinuz |
| 23:02.34 | JyZyXEL | i don't mind rootkits if the guy behind is cool :p |
| 23:02.51 | \amethyst | extor: and /lib/modules |
| 23:02.52 | nvz | hmmz.. I'm getting an unknown error executing gpgv when running apt-get update |
| 23:03.21 | angrylogic | extor: the problem is that dd is making calls into the kernel. if your kernel is compromised then an attack can return anything they want there... |
| 23:03.23 | themill | nvz: is your system time very wrong? |
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| 23:03.38 | Souto | is away -> <- Page [OFF] Log [ON] |
| 23:03.40 | extor | Bushmills by no means will this be the end of my cleaning...just the beginning. It's just that I think it is wrong practice to continuously panic and ask your host for clean reinstalls. I think one must put one's nose to the grindstone before each cry for help |
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| 23:03.48 | themill | !tell Souto about away |
| 23:04.38 | Bushmills | extor: matter of opinion. mine is that it is wrong practice to try fox a ystem which has been compromised |
| 23:04.42 | Bushmills | fix |
| 23:04.43 | extor | angrylogic yeah but a compromised cp is very easy to setup where it returns a "virgin" kernel but when it comes to dd...that spoofing is unheard of. I doubt rootkits are even designed to deal with something so funky as a dd |
| 23:05.16 | _ZeuZ_ | grrr gonna have to use fwbuilder to explain somebody how to use it... note that this somebody will never read a tutorial... mind somebody kill him? |
| 23:05.19 | extor | Bushmill if I knew it had been compromized that is one thing...but all I have is a lingering suspicion. So...not enough cause to blow it all away atm |
| 23:05.23 | \amethyst | all they have to do is find where on disk the files they want to lie about are located, then have read report the wrong data for those blocks |
| 23:05.52 | extor | amethyst yeah and how many rootkits have you heard of which do that on a standard basis? None |
| 23:06.05 | angrylogic | extor: your checksum wouldn't work either unless your filesystems were identical. you wouldn't have to fake out the dd -- just the part of the dd that has the kernel you're looking for. |
| 23:06.51 | extor | angrylogic yeah I know but if I do a restore with dd....uhmm...hmm yeah I see your point sorta. |
| 23:07.45 | extor | angrylogic but if I do go ahead with the dd copy...I am being extremely thorough in looking for rootkits. Very thorough indeed when you consider I just have a vague nagging suspicion I may be rooted. |
| 23:07.52 | Guerin | exo2k: because we should base all our security postures on what KNOWN rootkits do ... |
| 23:08.24 | Guerin | tbpfh, if you care that much about it, nuke the whole shop and restore from backups |
| 23:08.34 | Guerin | probably takes less time as well |
| 23:08.35 | extor | Guerin there is a reasonable limit when it comes to being thorough. I am quite close to that limit. |
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| 23:09.03 | angrylogic | extor: if you are copying from a good configuration over a bad configuration using dd and hard drive block devices you will destroy your filesystem. |
| 23:09.08 | extor | No I don't care that mush about it...no ecommerce or anuthing critical goes on there on that box |
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| 23:09.38 | Guerin | ... not YOUR ecommerce, anyhow. |
| 23:09.46 | extor | angrylogic err...this would be getting copied into a vmware virtual machine most likely. A total spoof copy of the original box |
| 23:09.58 | extor | not ANYONE's ecommerce |
| 23:10.12 | Guerin | so you're sure it's not rooted? |
| 23:10.28 | extor | Nobody can ever be sure if anything is rooted or not |
| 23:10.33 | Guerin | precisely |
| 23:10.33 | extor | rooters don't leave calling cards |
| 23:10.34 | angrylogic | extor: what makes you think it was rooted to begin with? |
| 23:10.47 | extor | angrylogic one of my cronjobs seemed to have been messed with |
| 23:10.51 | Guerin | so all you can be sure of is that none of YOUR ecommerce is on there. Mine could be :) |
| 23:11.07 | extor | Guerin I run all of the sites on the box, there is no ecommerce |
| 23:11.13 | Guerin | ... |
| 23:11.17 | extor | there is no ssl either |
| 23:11.23 | extor | Its just a bunch of web proxies |
| 23:11.23 | Guerin | spam is ecommerce |
| 23:11.30 | extor | there is no spam |
| 23:11.35 | angrylogic | extor: was it a system crontab or a user crontab? |
| 23:11.38 | Guerin | of course there isn't |
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| 23:11.49 | extor | angrylogic it was a system crontab...like root's crontab |
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| 23:12.14 | angrylogic | extor: what sort of change was it? |
| 23:13.18 | extor | What happened was I saw that "/usr/bin/apache2ctl restart" had been changed to "/usr/bin/apache2ct " and I looked at it and thought to myself...hey...was I that dumb...or did someome fuck with the crontab to make it fuck up? Cuz today...the whole day the box was down cuz apache had not been restarted(it dies after 2 or 3 hours if I dont keep bumping it) |
| 23:13.35 | Bushmills | oh btw, storm botnet has been infiltrated |
| 23:13.49 | Wyzard | extor: That doesn't sound like something a stealthy intruder would do |
| 23:13.54 | Bushmills | and p2p communication partly disabled |
| 23:14.02 | extor | So a potential compititor or prankster who had rooted me and read my crontab comment which said something like "to make sure apache recovers if it ever gets stuck" |
| 23:14.37 | extor | Wyzard yes indeed...certainly not a sophisticated rooter...merely someone who may have somehow gotten hold of my passwords by using script kiddie tactics perhaps? |
| 23:14.59 | angrylogic | extor: did you see any logins from addresses you didn't recognize? was your last logfile wiped out? |
| 23:15.20 | extor | angrylogic I did not check my logs but logs are the first thing an intruder wipes out |
| 23:15.25 | unop | extor, getting a cronjob to restart apache is kind of like "sweeping the real problem under the carpet", it'd be better to find out why apache fails after that period of time and rectify that problem |
| 23:15.34 | extor | Plus I am running webmin so they could have come in through there |
| 23:15.45 | themill | *sob* |
| 23:16.05 | extor | unop yeah yeah yeah...its crummy scripts that cause it to fail and I dont have enough time to debug the setup to perfection |
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| 23:16.13 | extor | themill? |
| 23:16.31 | infinity0 | is it possibly to have bittorrent save directly to a network share? |
| 23:16.43 | dworkin | \amethyst, i've /msg-ed you, didn't want to flood the channel |
| 23:16.44 | Wyzard | infinity0: sure, it can save to anything that's mounted |
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| 23:16.46 | extor | yeah if you mount it as an nfs volume why not? |
| 23:16.59 | infinity0 | Wyzard: what about gnome-mounted stuff? |
| 23:16.59 | unop | infinity0, mount the share on a directory and save the file there instead |
| 23:17.15 | infinity0 | i don't have root access but i can gnome-mount ssh stuff |
| 23:17.24 | infinity0 | but when i try to save stuff, the dialogbox is localonly |
| 23:17.58 | Wyzard | infinity0: If you mean in the sense of the "gnome-mount" command-line program, that does real mounts, but if you mean the gnome-vfs virtual mounts, it can't use those |
| 23:18.18 | Wyzard | infinity0: but if FUSE is available you may be able to mount SFTP stuff that way |
| 23:18.21 | infinity0 | oh, yeah i mean the virtual mounts |
| 23:18.46 | infinity0 | i don't have root access to the machine, and i don't think fuse is installed |
| 23:18.48 | Bushmills | infinity0: ypu may want to look at user mount alternatives, like fuse, or shfs |
| 23:18.50 | Wyzard | infinity0: Those virtual mounts only work for things that use the gnome-vfs library |
| 23:19.16 | angrylogic | extor: if you suspect the box could have been rooted then the only secure thing to do is wipe and reinstall... |
| 23:19.20 | themill | extor: Your entire approach here is rather distressing... you were running webmin which you knew was problematic, you have no historical backups of your configs, you haven't taken this box offline as a first step and you're thinking about trusting the output of tools that are installed on it. |
| 23:19.46 | infinity0 | Bushmills: don't have root access on the remote machine, can't install those things |
| 23:21.11 | angrylogic | infinity0: you'll need a bit torrent client that has gnome-vfs support. you might try gnome-bittorrent. |
| 23:21.51 | infinity0 | i'm actually using gnome-btdownload lol |
| 23:21.57 | extor | themill I am going to get it formatted eventually, just not now |
| 23:21.59 | infinity0 | it can access .torrent files through VFS |
| 23:22.06 | infinity0 | but for some reason it doesn't support saving the data throguh VFS |
| 23:22.31 | Wyzard | gnome-vfs is a high-level API that (IIRC) only provides load/save of entire files |
| 23:22.33 | themill | extor: I'd be happier to hear words like "immediately" rather than "eventually". |
| 23:22.40 | Wyzard | not the sort of incremental-writing random access that a bittorrent client needs |
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| 23:22.45 | infinity0 | Wyzard: oh right ok |
| 23:23.08 | Wyzard | since it's a least-common-denominiator of all the backends it supports (for example, you *can't* do random-access I/O through SFTP) |
| 23:23.10 | extor | themill if I have it formatted immediately what if my home box is rooted? And that's how the remote box got rooted through a keylogger? |
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| 23:23.40 | infinity0 | yeah that makes sense, i guess i was just hoping too much :( |
| 23:23.40 | themill | extor: you could at least take it offline immediately. |
| 23:24.03 | extor | themill what is the point of taking it offline and watching all my sites die? Based on a dubious suspicion? |
| 23:24.35 | \amethyst | is the crontab thing the only evidence you have of being rooted? |
| 23:24.57 | extor | yes and that is not really evidence because I have no backups to verify it..it is basically just a whim |
| 23:25.09 | \amethyst | oh |
| 23:25.14 | extor | si |
| 23:25.20 | angrylogic | extor: have you checked .bash_history for root for anything that looks suspicious? even checking log files that might have been tampered with can be helpful because the attacker may have forgotten to delete something or they may be empty. |
| 23:25.33 | \amethyst | extor: were the missing characters removed entirely, or replaced by spaces? |
| 23:25.45 | extor | angrylogic I have looked at .bash_history of root yes |
| 23:26.05 | extor | amethyst not really sure...I couldn't tell through the webmin gui |
| 23:26.54 | \amethyst | extor: if it got replaced by invisible characters, I'd suspect disk or memory corruption |
| 23:27.06 | \amethyst | extor: if it was actually deleted, that's much less likely |
| 23:27.32 | extor | amethist it is possible I myself forgot to put the restart there |
| 23:27.45 | angrylogic | extor: is this a virtual machine or actual hardware? |
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| 23:28.16 | Bushmills | extor: btw, once i was asked to "open" a bsd box. configured as router. the former admin was gone. it was webmin through which i was able to gain access and change the root password of that bsd box. |
| 23:28.26 | exo2k | how do i use opengl with xorg? |
| 23:28.33 | exo2k | !xgl |
| 23:28.33 | dpkg | well, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about <compiz> and <xgl-howto>, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl or deprecated and unsupported |
| 23:28.39 | \amethyst | hey, has google always complained about the plex86 website? |
| 23:28.46 | Bushmills | extor: not directly though,. |
| 23:28.56 | \amethyst | plex86.org sites give the ``This site may harm your computer'' message |
| 23:29.06 | extor | Bushmills my webmin is usually restricted to my own IP address for incoming via iptables |
| 23:29.23 | extor | So even if webmin gets an exploit out...nobody gets the chance to use it |
| 23:29.28 | Wyzard | exo2k: If your goal is just to run programs that require OpenGL, like games or whatever, XGL is not what you're looking for |
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| 23:29.58 | \amethyst | extor: when you say your own... you mean your home machine or the server itself? |
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| 23:30.41 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:30.45 | hellues | o sorry |
| 23:31.04 | exo2k | Wyzard: just for eve-online |
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| 23:32.45 | extor | amethys I mean my home machine...where I sit at home and ssh to the server sometimes |
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| 23:33.06 | extor | Wyzrd I dont play games |
| 23:33.25 | \amethyst | extor: he was talking to exo2k, not you :) |
| 23:33.56 | exo2k | lol |
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| 23:34.59 | Rudy|birthday | Hi, I'm migrating my server from Windows Server 2003 to Debian, but I don' |
| 23:35.03 | Rudy|birthday | Oops |
| 23:35.33 | RazaMetaL | Rudy|birthday: is the best that you can do :) |
| 23:35.35 | Rudy|birthday | ** Hi, I'm migrating my server from Windows Server 2003 to Debian, but I don't know what the best way to set it up is. Does anyone here have experience with setting up Debian on a server? |
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| 23:36.00 | exo2k | Wyzard: what should i do? |
| 23:36.04 | pablo | hi, why there is no mplayer-nogui on debian repos? |
| 23:36.09 | Rudy|birthday | (I've done it before, but I think I've been doing it wrong.) |
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| 23:37.29 | BW^- | i have marked a bunch of packages to install in "apt" using "+". how do I now make it install? i was trying to push the "g" button but it doesn't proceed. and "q" doesn't do it neither. |
| 23:37.32 | angrylogic | Rudy: what do you think you did wrong? |
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| 23:37.52 | exo2k | BW^- don't use aptitude? :D |
| 23:38.07 | Rudy|birthday | First off, how do I set it up properly for hosting multiple Web sites? |
| 23:38.07 | \amethyst | pablo: bug 436738 |
| 23:38.17 | BW^- | exo2k: what's the alternative ? |
| 23:38.26 | angrylogic | Rudy: you can do that with apache and VirtualHosts |
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| 23:38.32 | \amethyst | pablo: that doesn't really *answer* your question, but it shows you're not the first to ask it |
| 23:38.40 | pablo | \amethyst: whats that bug? |
| 23:38.50 | \amethyst | pablo: "mplayer: Please provide packages without a gui" |
| 23:38.53 | angrylogic | Rudy: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html |
| 23:38.54 | Rudy|birthday | angrylogic: I know about that, but what's the "proper" location to put the sites' DirectoryRoot(s)? |
| 23:38.58 | exo2k | BW^-: well G usually installs all |
| 23:39.04 | exo2k | BW^-: but apt-get --help |
| 23:39.05 | Rudy|birthday | If ther is one. |
| 23:39.08 | Rudy|birthday | *there |
| 23:39.16 | angrylogic | Rudy: thats up to you as an administrator. I usually throw them under /var/www/sitename |
| 23:39.31 | exo2k | its the same concept except you will have to manually type in apt-get install for all the things you need |
| 23:39.32 | \amethyst | pablo: debian-multimedia has an mplayer-nogui package, if questionably legal software is your cup of tea :) |
| 23:39.37 | Rudy|birthday | Well, I have several domains each with a few subdomains |
| 23:39.43 | BW^- | ok thanks! |
| 23:39.54 | exo2k | BW^-: np |
| 23:40.05 | Rudy|birthday | On my Windows box I have F:\hosts\(domainname.dom)\(subdomain) |
| 23:40.09 | angrylogic | Rudy: You can organize them any way you want :) you could do /var/www/domainname/subdomain |
| 23:40.17 | Rudy|birthday | OK |
| 23:40.47 | pablo | \amethyst: debian has a mplayer, why debian´s multimedia mplayer-nogui is questionably legal? |
| 23:40.52 | Rudy|birthday | Then there's setting up Samba to access the sites from my LAN. |
| 23:41.06 | \amethyst | pablo: because debian-multimedia basically ignores software patents |
| 23:41.15 | Rudy|birthday | That, of course, is pretty easy. |
| 23:41.35 | Rudy|birthday | However, I'd like to also have FTP available for those sites. |
| 23:41.45 | Rudy|birthday | But I don't know how to setup FTP service. |
| 23:41.49 | \amethyst | pablo: I don't know what Argentina's law says about software patents, but if they are possible, then there's a good chance that some of the mplayer codecs infringe |
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| 23:43.16 | pablo | \amethyst: also the ones on debian repos? |
| 23:43.19 | angrylogic | Rudy: there are a number of FTP servers available for debian. I'd recommend using ssh+sftp if you can since ssh provides encryption but if you need FTP you can probably find one you like by running apt-cache search ftpd. |
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| 23:43.55 | Rudy|birthday | angrylogic: I'm not transferring confidential information, so FTP would be fine. |
| 23:44.00 | Rudy|birthday | It's the configuration I fail at. |
| 23:44.18 | angrylogic | Rudy: its not even the confidential information that worrys me. FTP sends passwords cleartext over the internet. |
| 23:44.23 | Rudy|birthday | Oh. |
| 23:44.26 | Xenguy | Rudy|birthday: I believe vsftpd is recommended |
| 23:44.36 | Rudy|birthday | That insecurity. |
| 23:44.38 | \amethyst | pablo: probably not... http://people.debian.org/~mjr/legal/mplayer.html says "at worst mplayer as packaged now would introduce no new patent problems to debian" |
| 23:44.44 | Xenguy | Rudy|birthday: if you want to do ftp :-) |
| 23:44.48 | Rudy|birthday | Yeah, I guess I'll just use SFTP. |
| 23:45.01 | Rudy|birthday | (which is already part of SSH, right?) |
| 23:45.12 | Xenguy | Rudy|birthday: yes, along with scp |
| 23:45.12 | angrylogic | Rudy: yeah once you have SSH running SFTP is already there. |
| 23:45.38 | \amethyst | pablo: CSS (DVD descrambling) is another thing that makes it illegal in some jurisdictions (not present in the Debian version, but it will use the libdvdcss package if you have it installed somehow) |
| 23:46.23 | Rudy|birthday | I believe DVD descrambling is legal in some contexts (watching movies) but not others (ripping movies) |
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| 23:46.51 | themill | Rudy|birthday: that depends on where you live in the world |
| 23:47.07 | Rudy|birthday | I live in the US. |
| 23:47.24 | themill | then it is highly unlikely to be legal under any circumstances. |
| 23:47.26 | exo2k | doesn't matter then :D |
| 23:48.02 | Rudy|birthday | My belief is that it should be legal for the purpose of watching a DVD you own but not for ripping the DVD. |
| 23:48.11 | \amethyst | "should be" != "is" |
| 23:48.18 | Rudy|birthday | I know |
| 23:48.18 | themill | indeed. |
| 23:48.22 | Rudy|birthday | But I think it should be. |
| 23:48.37 | exo2k | jut rip's the dvd anyways |
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| 23:48.59 | \amethyst | Rudy|birthday: what if it's a DVD from the 'wrong' region? |
| 23:49.01 | Rudy|birthday | Look at hardware DVD players. They have to decode CSS anyway, it's a fundamental part of watching a DVD with CSS. |
| 23:49.03 | Wyzard | Rudy|birthday: Write your representatives and tell them to push for the DMCA to be repealed, then |
| 23:49.04 | Xenguy | Rudy|birthday: don't worry, rip and be happy :-) |
| 23:49.06 | themill | Rudy|birthday: make sure you tell your politicians that. And while you're at it, ask them to stop exporting crappy laws like DMCA to other jurisdictions. |
| 23:49.13 | Rudy|birthday | Now that I can understand |
| 23:49.14 | \amethyst | Rudy|birthday: they have licensed the CSS key, though |
| 23:49.18 | angrylogic | Hardware DVD players pay a license fee to legally decode CSS |
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| 23:49.31 | themill | And they decode it rather than breaking it. |
| 23:49.49 | themill | (for some legal meanings of decode and circumvent) |
| 23:50.15 | Rudy|birthday | Is libdvdcss an open implementation of CSS decoding? |
| 23:50.32 | Xenguy | Rudy|birthday: yes |
| 23:50.50 | Rudy|birthday | Does it 'brute-force' a CSS key or just use an existing one? |
| 23:50.54 | Decepticon | how do i install a testing version of a specific application via debian's apt package repository |
| 23:51.14 | Xenguy | Rudy|birthday: GIYF |
| 23:51.14 | angrylogic | Rudy: according to wikipedia it tries a list and then falls back to bruteforce |
| 23:51.25 | Rudy|birthday | Ah. |
| 23:51.30 | Rudy|birthday | GIYF? |
| 23:51.40 | Xenguy | ggl is yer friend |
| 23:51.48 | Xenguy | :-) |
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| 23:51.52 | themill | Decepticon: you can't (in general). But you can recompile it for etch. /msg dpkg backport |
| 23:51.52 | unop | Decepticon, testing needs to be enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list. apt-get update; apt-get install -t testing package |
| 23:52.11 | Decepticon | msg dpkg backport |
| 23:52.19 | Rudy|birthday | Oh. |
| 23:52.20 | themill | unop: that will often not work. it will often break the box. Please don't recommend that people do that. |
| 23:52.26 | themill | !tell Decepticon about backport |
| 23:52.37 | Rudy|birthday | Section 1201(f) of the DMCA makes libdvdcss legal |
| 23:52.44 | exo2k | lol |
| 23:52.54 | Rudy|birthday | (circumvention for software interoperability purposes) |
| 23:52.58 | exo2k | who cares if its legal or not really :< |
| 23:53.21 | Xenguy | Rudy|birthday: did you buy the legislation for a good read? ;-) |
| 23:53.24 | exo2k | the us president doesn't care why should you lol |
| 23:53.26 | Rudy|birthday | No |
| 23:53.30 | Xenguy | exo2k: agreed |
| 23:53.38 | exo2k | lol |
| 23:53.40 | Rudy|birthday | I just feel that it's not illegal. |
| 23:53.40 | exo2k | yeah ^^ |
| 23:53.53 | exo2k | its only illegal in the sense that if you make money off it |
| 23:53.54 | Xenguy | Rudy|birthday: we do too |
| 23:54.10 | exo2k | and if you don't pay them some amount of money you've made off it |
| 23:54.11 | Rudy|birthday | Section 1201(f) only confirms my feeling :) |
| 23:54.19 | Rudy|birthday | Anyway. |
| 23:54.44 | Rudy|birthday | Another thing I think I've been doing wrong is partitioning. |
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| 23:55.04 | Rudy|birthday | One big / and a swap file 2x the size of my RAM. |
| 23:55.05 | Decepticon | what does this mean: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. |
| 23:55.33 | Decepticon | what would be the url to put for the deb-src line |
| 23:55.45 | Rudy|birthday | Decepticon: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add what it tells you to |
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| 23:56.17 | exo2k | Decepticon: deb deb-src http://www.debian.org/debian/ unstable non-free contrib? |
| 23:56.34 | exo2k | unstable is sid btw... |
| 23:56.38 | Decepticon | ah |
| 23:56.45 | Decepticon | then what is testing? |
| 23:56.50 | exo2k | sid |
| 23:56.57 | angrylogic | Decepticon: lenny |
| 23:56.59 | Decepticon | testing = sid = unstable ? |
| 23:57.00 | exo2k | oh right |
| 23:57.01 | unop | lenny |
| 23:57.01 | exo2k | lenny |
| 23:57.03 | Wyzard | Rudy|birthday: "2X your RAM" is an old heuristic for choosing how much swapspace to create, but a better heuristic is ("amount of RAM you wish you had" minus "amount of RAM you actually have") |
| 23:57.13 | exo2k | sorry Decepticon :< |
| 23:57.19 | Decepticon | which should be my priority then? sid or lenny |
| 23:57.23 | exo2k | lenny |
| 23:57.29 | Wyzard | Rudy|birthday: or alternatively, ("amount of RAM your applications need" minus "amount of RAM you actually have") |
| 23:57.32 | themill | Decepticon: what package are you looking for? |
| 23:57.33 | Decepticon | i see |
| 23:57.49 | Decepticon | themill, im trying to get a more recent version of znc from testing or unstable |
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| 23:58.46 | themill | Decepticon: a simple sid backport of that should be relatively straight forward. |
| 23:59.11 | Decepticon | themill, i asked dpkg about <simple sid backport>, step 1 confused me: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. |
| 23:59.21 | Decepticon | what url would i be putting |
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| 23:59.37 | Decepticon | deb-src http://www.debian.org/debian/ sid ? |
| 23:59.42 | angrylogic | decepticon: see www.backports.org -- if your package has been backported it will have instructions for you. |
| 23:59.49 | themill | angrylogic: it hasn't |
| 23:59.50 | Decepticon | angrylogic it is not on backports |
| 23:59.54 | \amethyst | Decepticon: add main non-free contrib to the end of that |
