| 00:00.19 | Decepticon | deb-src http://www.debian.org/debian/ sid main non-free contrib |
| 00:00.19 | \amethyst | (or at least main) |
| 00:00.19 | themill | Decepticon: take a deb line for your normal mirror, replace "etch" with "sid" and "deb" with "deb-src" |
| 00:00.37 | Decepticon | will do |
| 00:00.39 | Decepticon | thank you |
| 00:01.45 | blairsooley | whats a good package (from apt-get) that will setup a socks4 or socks5 server on my debian box? |
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| 00:02.05 | Decepticon | themill, wouldnt it be 'lenny' instead of 'sid' (to replace 'etch') |
| 00:02.22 | themill | Decepticon: depends if you want to backport from sid or lenny. |
| 00:02.25 | themill | Decepticon: add "aptitude install build-essential" to that list of commands, btw |
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| 00:02.51 | Decepticon | ah i think ive already done that command before sometime ago, ill double check and do it again in any case |
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| 00:03.48 | Decepticon | but lenny would be a bit more stable, yes? |
| 00:04.05 | \amethyst | blairsooley: dante-server, hpsocksd, socks4-server |
| 00:04.22 | blairsooley | ty\ |
| 00:05.21 | themill | Decepticon: the packages are almost the same in sid and etch. Check yourself on packages.debian.org. Also look at the changelog: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/z/znc/znc_0.054-2/changelog |
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| 00:07.16 | Decepticon | etch = znc 0.045-3, lenny = 0.054-1, sid = 0.054-2 |
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| 00:15.35 | Rudy|birthday | Wyzard: This server has 1GB RAM |
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| 00:15.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | This computer has over 500 bytes of RAM |
| 00:16.06 | Rudy|birthday | IIRC it only used about 100-150MB RAM to do its thing |
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| 00:16.30 | Rudy|birthday | So probably 2GB swap might be good |
| 00:16.55 | dondelelcaro | Rudy|birthday: if you've got enough disk space, double ram is good |
| 00:16.59 | angrylogic | Rudy: I doubt you'll ever need any swap but disk is cheap so that sounds reasonable :) |
| 00:17.06 | dondelelcaro | Rudy|birthday: if disk space is a problem, then scale it down |
| 00:17.17 | Rudy|birthday | Is one bo / partition good? |
| 00:17.23 | Rudy|birthday | s/bo/big/ |
| 00:17.33 | \amethyst | one problem with having 2GB of swap |
| 00:17.34 | dondelelcaro | Swap: 3145704 1517024 1628680 <-- though, yes, you can use lots of swap |
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| 00:17.41 | Rudy|birthday | yeah |
| 00:17.55 | Rudy|birthday | what's the problem with 2GB swap? |
| 00:17.59 | dondelelcaro | (that's 3G of swap, 1.5G of which is in use) |
| 00:18.01 | \amethyst | if you do get into a situation where memory is exhausted (say a fork bomb), you will be thrashing the disk hard for a long time |
| 00:18.06 | Rudy|birthday | ooh |
| 00:18.13 | \amethyst | whereas, without the swap, processes will start getting killed much earlier |
| 00:18.21 | Rudy|birthday | hm, perhaps 1GB might be enough? |
| 00:18.28 | dondelelcaro | depends on what the machine is doing |
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| 00:18.44 | Rudy|birthday | It's a 'general-purpose' small business server. |
| 00:18.47 | dondelelcaro | if you've got large, long-lived processes which don't use all of their memory, more swap is needed |
| 00:18.53 | \amethyst | (max amount of memory you will possibly use) - (amount of RAM you have) + (error margin) |
| 00:19.21 | dondelelcaro | Rudy|birthday: I'd create two 1G swap partitions then, and start with the first one, and if you need more, mount the second one |
| 00:19.36 | Rudy|birthday | DNS and Samba for a small LAN, HTTP, mail, and IRC for outside. |
| 00:19.51 | dondelelcaro | Rudy|birthday: yeah, 1G swap is almost certainly fine |
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| 00:20.23 | Rudy|birthday | So I should have two swap partitions and activate the second one if things get tight (highly unlikely given it's a small business server) |
| 00:20.27 | Rudy|birthday | ? |
| 00:20.46 | Rudy|birthday | OK. As far as other partitions go, one big / ? |
| 00:20.55 | angrylogic | Rudy: you could use LVM and then create partitions / grow partitions as you need them |
| 00:20.59 | micols__ | what is the name of manpages for C programming , in debian apt repos ? |
| 00:21.03 | angrylogic | Rudy: that might be more complex than you want :) |
| 00:21.05 | \amethyst | micols__: manpages-dev |
| 00:21.14 | micols__ | ah, thought it was man-dev :) |
| 00:21.15 | micols__ | thx |
| 00:21.16 | \amethyst | micols__: also manpages-posix for the standards |
| 00:21.26 | Rudy|birthday | I have 200GB at my disposal |
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| 00:21.34 | \amethyst | err, manpages-posix-dev, not manpages-posix |
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| 00:22.25 | Rudy|birthday | Hm. |
| 00:22.27 | infinity0 | i'm using sshd, and i get this error in my auth.log: |
| 00:22.28 | infinity0 | pam_env(sshd:setcred): Unable to open config file: /etc/security/pam_env.conf: Permission denied |
| 00:22.40 | infinity0 | everything seems to be working thuogh, but why's that error there? |
| 00:22.47 | Rudy|birthday | I think I'll put a 40GB disk in for the OS itself |
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| 00:25.22 | pocketprotector2 | anybody good with rsnapshot? |
| 00:25.36 | pocketprotector2 | i want to have .snapshots saved to users' home directories |
| 00:25.45 | pocketprotector2 | instead of /.snapshots/usr/home |
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| 00:26.54 | Arrick | hey all, why does the DL page say DVD-1 is 4.4 gigs, yet when you download it, it claims the DL is 376MB? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 00:30.28 | \amethyst | Arrick: what claims the DL is 376MB ? |
| 00:30.56 | Arrick | the windows downloader |
| 00:31.14 | \amethyst | Arrick: your downloader uses 32-bit file sizes |
| 00:31.31 | Arrick | its accurate on any other machine that i download from |
| 00:31.42 | Arrick | Im wondering if someone hacked the server |
| 00:31.50 | \amethyst | Arrick: it's probably not safe to use (that version of) that program to download anything over 4 GiB |
| 00:31.55 | \amethyst | Arrick: maybe 2GB |
| 00:32.03 | \amethyst | Arrick: or it could be something with your Windows version |
| 00:32.09 | \amethyst | Arrick: or your filesystem |
| 00:32.18 | angrylogic | Arrick: or the mirror you downloaded off of |
| 00:32.26 | \amethyst | I doubt that |
| 00:32.55 | Arrick | yeah, its debain, not a mirror (unless you guys setup transparent mirrors) |
| 00:32.58 | \amethyst | it's possible though |
| 00:33.15 | micols__ | \amethyst: im new to php/c but when i use fgets in php and store the data in a variable i get it terminated with \n\0 , how do i stop it being terminated by \n ? |
| 00:33.37 | micols__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.49 | micols__ | i want test to be directly after end of my file, but there is a newline before test |
| 00:33.53 | angrylogic | Arrick: it could be a round-robin DNS name. 376MB doesn't seem like a bit-boundry size problem... |
| 00:34.08 | riot | how do i create a raid with mdadm on blank hdds so it doesn't sync them first? (they're empty!) |
| 00:34.14 | \amethyst | micols__: replace the newline |
| 00:34.26 | micols__ | \amethyst: isnt there a smart method to read without newlines ? |
| 00:34.37 | \amethyst | angrylogic: 376 MB is exactly the real file size minus 4096 MB |
| 00:34.46 | \amethyst | s/MB/MiB/g |
| 00:35.20 | \amethyst | micols__: in PHP, stream_get_line |
| 00:35.36 | angrylogic | \amethyst: good pickup :) |
| 00:36.22 | \amethyst | AFAICT cdimage has just a single CNAME, to ftp.acc.umu.se |
| 00:36.46 | jroes | KEKEKE |
| 00:36.55 | jroes | wow, pasting stupid stuff sucks :) |
| 00:37.31 | riot | aah, found it |
| 00:37.36 | riot | --assume-clean |
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| 00:39.21 | c1b0rg | hi, I am having problems mounting ltsp thin clients hard disks, anyonw wants to help me? |
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| 00:39.49 | Guerin | this is a debian channel |
| 00:40.26 | c1b0rg | I try #ltsp but no body answears, and since I am running debian I thought someone here may be able to help me |
| 00:40.50 | c1b0rg | sorry, I will wait in #ltsp channle then |
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| 00:42.20 | micols__ | \amethyst: i did print substr($line_of_text,0,strlen($line_of_text)-1) |
| 00:42.26 | micols__ | \amethyst: ugly as it may be :) |
| 00:42.47 | \amethyst | micols__: didn't stream_get_line work? |
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| 00:43.19 | freezer | hi |
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| 00:44.44 | \amethyst | \( ! -type d \) |
| 00:44.45 | \amethyst | doh |
| 00:45.04 | micols__ | \amethyst: no, as im using php4 :( |
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| 00:45.43 | micols__ | it's a php5 cvs function |
| 00:45.46 | \amethyst | oh |
| 00:45.51 | \amethyst | why are you using php4? |
| 00:46.03 | micols__ | i like it stable, and i'm weird :) |
| 00:46.09 | f00li5h | ... or php at all |
| 00:46.41 | micols__ | oh well php5 is also in etch anyway, but i had some bad experience with php5 some time ago |
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| 01:05.25 | iateadonu1 | what is the image viewer for a no-GUI computer? |
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| 01:07.38 | angrylogic | iateadonu1: try zgv |
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| 01:07.44 | amphi | zgv is an svgalib viewer |
| 01:07.46 | Arrick | you know whats dumb? I just downloaded the torrents for debian, and the torrent client is telling me *nothing* is available for them |
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| 01:12.02 | iateadonu1 | thanks. is there anything like filelight for non-gui? |
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| 01:16.10 | nek0 | http://www.titanclicks.com/signup.php?ref=slimnek0 |
| 01:16.40 | purpleposeidon | Hello, I'm trying to install debian on a computer with goodbye-microsoft, and I'm not really sure how to get the wireless configured. |
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| 01:18.14 | iateadonu1 | is this your first time using linux? |
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| 01:18.39 | purpleposeidon | No. |
| 01:19.43 | xerophyte | is there anything open source like netapp |
| 01:19.53 | purpleposeidon | uhmmmm... |
| 01:20.26 | purpleposeidon | The wireless is some linksys mother-board card |
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| 01:23.34 | purpleposeidon | Could I do something crazy like forward the intertubes through my laptop? It's running ubuntu, has 'net, and an ethernet port |
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| 01:23.48 | kittonian | hi all |
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| 01:24.22 | kittonian | i am about to build a new server and it seems that all that is available these days are 64-bit processors. I'm assuming that means I need to install the 64-bit version of Debian. Is this correct? |
| 01:24.50 | dondelelcaro | kittonian: no, you can use the 386 version if you want. |
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| 01:26.30 | kittonian | dondelelcaro: oh, even if I'm running 64-bit Xeon chips I should install the 32-bit version of Debian? Basically I need to run PostgreSQL, MySQL, Zope, Zeus, Python, ProFTPd and a few other goodies |
| 01:26.47 | kittonian | this is basically a web server, dns server and database server |
| 01:27.02 | dondelelcaro | kittonian: yeah, you can run the 32bit version if you want; however, the amd64 debian works exactly the same for most things |
| 01:27.09 | kittonian | not a super heavy load and the database is really only for the website data |
| 01:27.22 | dondelelcaro | it's pretty much just a drop in replacement |
| 01:27.42 | kittonian | i'm just trying to make sure that everything will be compatible. I haven't built a server in quite some time and need to get it up and running fairly painlessly |
| 01:28.02 | kittonian | if 64-bit is the better way to go and there aren't any issues, that's fine. if 32-bit is a better way to go I'll do that instead |
| 01:28.40 | dondelelcaro | kittonian: if the i386 architecture wasn't so bad, 32bit would be, but unfortunatly, it's not, so 64-bit is generally better. |
| 01:28.59 | dondelelcaro | (the main reasons not to use 64bit are if you need binary-only stuff that isn't built for amd64) |
| 01:29.59 | freezer | ya |
| 01:30.20 | kittonian | everything that will be installed will be compiled from source |
| 01:30.20 | freezer | i've used 32bit on amd64 platform for exactly this reason |
| 01:30.29 | angrylogic | kittonian: the other option is to do the i386 install, then install a 64-bit kernel and then chroot into a 64-bit userspace for apps you want to run in 64-bit [this is by far more complex than either choice :)] |
| 01:30.42 | kittonian | nah, i want to keep this pretty simple |
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| 01:30.55 | freezer | then use 32bit |
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| 01:31.06 | kittonian | raid5 setup, xeon procs, 4gb of ram |
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| 01:31.23 | kittonian | i looked at all the apps i need to use and they all seem to support 64-bit |
| 01:31.37 | kittonian | and i am not using X, just the command line |
| 01:31.38 | dondelelcaro | kittonian: yeah, with that much ram, I'd suggest 64bit. |
| 01:31.46 | kittonian | ok, thanks |
| 01:31.52 | jim | is there a bash builtin or some executable that waits for a key and returns its ascii value? |
| 01:31.52 | kittonian | any recommendations on motherboards? |
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| 01:32.14 | jim | yeah, I can definitely recommend you have one! |
| 01:32.15 | dondelelcaro | jim: read |
| 01:32.37 | dondelelcaro | (it doesn't return the ascii value, but it returns the actual character entered, which should be good enough) |
| 01:32.47 | jim | will that wait for enter? I would like to not do that) |
| 01:32.56 | jim | hmm, you know, that's good enough for testing |
| 01:33.21 | dondelelcaro | jim: use the -n option |
| 01:33.25 | dondelelcaro | jim: help read; for details |
| 01:33.28 | jim | ok |
| 01:33.34 | jim | thank you |
| 01:33.40 | foobar8 | jim: read will not wait for enter, but depending on the terminal state the terminal will |
| 01:33.59 | micols__ | i have some php code i want to embed in my perl script, can i use some EOF thing so i dont have to escape all the ", (, ), ; etc? |
| 01:34.02 | foobar8 | jim: man stty |
| 01:34.14 | jim | read -n1 :) |
| 01:34.16 | dondelelcaro | uh... sure read will |
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| 01:35.01 | jim | welll I was hoping to not delve into the depths of terminal stuff, terminfo, termcap and that stuff |
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| 01:35.13 | dondelelcaro | jim: you don't need to; read -n1; works just fine |
| 01:35.32 | jim | read -n1 seems to work... now, how to get it in a var... |
| 01:35.40 | dondelelcaro | jim: again, help read... |
| 01:35.43 | jim | (I'm reading, I'm readign :) |
| 01:35.53 | dondelelcaro | the name bit there is the critical thing |
| 01:35.58 | dondelelcaro | ala read -n1 FOO |
| 01:36.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | micols__: Depends |
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| 01:36.40 | Blast_Hardcheese | in regexps you can do something like s#something#somethingelse# |
| 01:37.02 | jim | well the something would be a regex |
| 01:37.03 | Blast_Hardcheese | if you want to print, use qq~All this crap will be printed, (even this)~; |
| 01:37.11 | dondelelcaro | micols__: why would you embed php in perl? |
| 01:37.13 | jim | s### is a command that uses regex |
| 01:37.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | jim: How is that different than what I said? |
| 01:37.47 | dondelelcaro | micols__: but in any event, perldoc perlop; and read about here-doc |
| 01:38.18 | micols__ | dondelelcaro: I am trying to make some modifications to the imageindex package |
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| 01:38.50 | dondelelcaro | heh; if it's your own server, I recommend libapache-gallery-perl instead. |
| 01:38.59 | xaxaxaxaxa | pa da :D |
| 01:39.21 | jim | Blast_Hardcheese: it's a small point, for most communication it doesn't matter... but if you want to you can differentiate between that command and regex (s#some#thing# is not regex, some is and thing doesn't have to be) |
| 01:39.25 | micols__ | dondelelcaro: it is.. and not as much fun :) |
| 01:39.49 | micols__ | i want to make it completely custom, ability to write text descriptions and date when images were taken |
| 01:39.57 | xaxaxaxaxa | znamo li srpski ;) ? |
| 01:40.07 | micols__ | its a family album, so i want to make php to write to $filename.txt for each image and read it in the listing. |
| 01:40.09 | dondelelcaro | micols__: libapache-gallery-perl; does all of that |
| 01:40.25 | xaxaxaxaxa | !floof |
| 01:40.29 | dondelelcaro | (plus it works straight from a directory of images with no processing) |
| 01:40.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | jim: That's true, but those constructs are, for the most part, referred to as regexps in Perl |
| 01:40.48 | xaxaxaxaxa | beardy |
| 01:40.56 | micols__ | cannot find that in my apt repos dondelelcaro |
| 01:40.57 | dondelelcaro | Blast_Hardcheese: no, they're called substitutions |
| 01:41.14 | dondelelcaro | !+info libapache-gallery-perl etch |
| 01:41.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:41.33 | dpkg | libapache-gallery-perl: (Apache module to create galleries on-the-fly), section perl, is optional. Version: 0.99-svn060811-1 (etch), Packaged size: 92 kB, Installed size: 496 kB |
| 01:41.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | dondelelcaro: lies :) |
| 01:41.40 | dondelelcaro | Blast_Hardcheese: a regular expression is what is on the left side of the substitution operator. |
| 01:41.55 | jim | and sed and perl's =~ and !~ interprets substitutions, matches, trs and a few others |
| 01:42.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | Alright, fair enough |
| 01:42.22 | xaxaxaxaxa | who have site for mar |
| 01:42.34 | dondelelcaro | xaxaxaxaxa: your question makes no sense |
| 01:42.41 | dondelelcaro | mar what? |
| 01:42.45 | jim | Blast_Hardcheese: the difference only really comes important when you look at what will interpret it |
| 01:43.00 | jim | it's already apr! mar is gone! |
| 01:44.21 | xaxaxaxaxa | who is banned me? |
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| 01:45.20 | jim | does that answer your question? :) |
| 01:46.07 | jim | (and, that's not a ban it's just a HUSH!) |
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| 01:51.39 | Matson | is there any ircd package for debian with anope services already compiled in? |
| 01:51.49 | Matson | I'm dreading the idea of compiling all this stuff |
| 01:52.13 | jim | well as long as the build works, it shouldn't be that bad |
| 01:52.29 | Matson | "well as long as the build works" famous last words |
| 01:52.37 | jim | yeah |
| 01:52.48 | jim | but... kernel builds work most of the time |
| 01:52.48 | Matson | bleary eyed 5am Sun morning curse words, those are |
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| 01:53.21 | jim | I'm just saying complicated builds can work |
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| 01:53.47 | Matson | yup |
| 01:53.50 | jim | and that if you find you have to, building -is- worth a shot |
| 01:57.54 | kittonian | anyone running SAS RAID5? I need to find a supported controller. Adaptec seems to support RedHat and SUSE enterprise editions but Debian is not listed |
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| 02:03.41 | jim | can I make an appointment with someone willing to take me through the process of creating a netinst cd? |
| 02:04.04 | jim | with a custom kernel that is |
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| 02:04.18 | dondelelcaro | jim: there's a bit of documentation on it, but normally it shouldn't be required |
| 02:04.41 | jim | I'd just like to be able to |
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| 02:05.07 | jim | especially for those times people come around and say my xyz isn't supported |
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| 02:06.00 | jim | I once got to the point of building everything up |
| 02:06.10 | jim | but I didn't know how to build the image |
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| 02:09.11 | dondelelcaro | jim: once you've got it all built up, you just call genisofs with the the right -b option with the path to the boot image you want to use and the rest of the filesystem |
| 02:09.38 | dondelelcaro | jim: the debian-cd scripts should have all of the stuff to do it automatically (but honestly, I've never used them; I just call mkisofs manually) |
| 02:10.35 | jim | well let me ask this in advance... so, say a new chipset comes out, a week or two goes by and the next kernel has a driver for that chipset, and it's a new driver, different name and everything.... |
| 02:11.04 | kittonian | dondelelcaro: any ideas on the SAS RAID controller? |
| 02:11.23 | jim | what else do you need to do besides build that driver as a module to make it so that the debian-installer will try it at the right time? |
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| 02:12.08 | dondelelcaro | jim: #debian-boot is probably the best place to ask; i only vaguely know about that stuff |
| 02:12.24 | jim | do you have to do something like: add a configuration file to the hardware discoverer? |
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| 02:12.43 | dondelelcaro | jim: you probably need to upgrade it, but I'm not entirely sure |
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| 02:13.35 | Wyzard | jim: My guess would be probably nothing: it should be autodetected by its PCI ID matching the one in the driver's metadata, just like happens with most drivers |
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| 02:14.41 | jim | so it would know for example what category of device it is (hd controller, video card, eth card, etc)? |
| 02:15.10 | Wyzard | jim: yes, that's part of the PCI device info |
| 02:15.15 | jim | how would it know to go for the new driver? |
| 02:15.32 | Wyzard | jim: Have you ever looked at the output of lspci? |
| 02:16.00 | Wyzard | jim: and do you know about PCI device IDs? |
| 02:16.11 | jim | yes... sometimes I'd see "unknown device" |
| 02:16.15 | jim | and no, not much |
| 02:16.29 | jim | I knw it has a vendor part and a device part |
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| 02:17.21 | Wyzard | jim: It has a category (like "IDE interface" or "VGA compatible controller") and the vendor and device numbers you mentioned |
| 02:17.31 | jim | oh ok |
| 02:17.53 | jim | those are actually numeric? the categories? |
| 02:17.57 | Wyzard | jim: When you run lspci, it shows the category followed by a specific name looked up from the vendor/device numbers in the file /usr/share/misc/pci.ids |
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| 02:18.23 | Wyzard | jim: for example: 00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HR/HO/HH (ICH8R/DO/DH) 6 port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 02) |
| 02:18.56 | Wyzard | jim: "SATA controller" is the category, and " Intel Corporation 82801HR/HO/HH (ICH8R/DO/DH) 6 port SATA AHCI Controller" is looked up from the ID 8086:2821 |
| 02:19.11 | jim | ok |
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| 02:19.45 | Wyzard | jim: When you see "unknown device", it just means your pci.ids file doesn't have a descriptive name for that vendor/device ID -- you can run update-pciids to download a current copy of the PCI device list |
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| 02:19.49 | jim | and those strings are in the /usr/share/misc/pci.ids file |
| 02:20.00 | jim | ahh |
| 02:20.06 | Wyzard | jim: Anyway, each driver module declares what PCI IDs it supports |
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| 02:20.26 | Wyzard | jim: I mentioned that my SATA controller has the ID 8086:2821 (which I found with "lspci -n") |
| 02:20.31 | jim | so a module knows which pci device it supports |
| 02:20.56 | Wyzard | jim: If you run "/sbin/modinfo ahci", you'll see a line that says "alias: pci:v00008086d00002821sv*sd*bc*sc*i*" |
| 02:21.50 | Wyzard | jim: That info is used to generate the modules.alias file in /lib/modules/$version |
| 02:22.06 | jim | does said module need the pci ids file to be up to date? |
| 02:22.30 | Wyzard | jim: for example, my modules.alias file has the line "alias pci:v00008086d00002821sv*sd*bc*sc*i* ahci" |
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| 02:22.53 | jim | ok |
| 02:23.13 | Wyzard | jim: so to load a driver for an unknown new PCI device, the system just constructs a code name from its device ID, and the alias system looks up the correct module based on the module's own metadata |
| 02:23.51 | Wyzard | jim: That assumes that your modules.alias file is up-to-date -- I believe that's generated by depmod, which Debian kernel packages run automatically at appropriate times |
| 02:24.21 | Wyzard | jim: The descriptive names in the pci.ids file are just for human consumption and are irrelevant to the driver-loading process |
| 02:25.17 | Wyzard | jim: This is the process that's used to automatically load drivers for your hardware during startup, and I'd expect it to be used by the installer too |
| 02:25.17 | jim | so that's why device discovery can be much better these days... |
| 02:25.19 | jim | so: |
| 02:25.34 | jim | really all you have to do is make sure the driver is available |
| 02:25.35 | Wyzard | jim: There are similar systems for things other than PCI, like USB and such |
| 02:25.38 | jim | and that's it |
| 02:25.54 | Wyzard | Make sure the driver is available and depmod has been run after installing the driver |
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| 02:26.03 | jim | gotcha |
| 02:26.23 | Wyzard | If you use make-kpkg to build your kernel, the resulting .deb will run depmod automatically when it's installed |
| 02:26.33 | Wyzard | but I'm not sure what the process is when building a custom install CD |
| 02:27.07 | jim | there's a thing that takes apart a linux-image*.deb and makes a buncha udebs out of it |
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| 02:28.56 | Wyzard | I'd expect those udebs to do the depmod thing too, then |
| 02:28.57 | crazyfrog | my music player like amarok or JuK music player always crash at some point with repeating the sound at that point,what problem it should be? |
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| 02:32.48 | taraskostiak | how can I get driver for my Intel X3100(i965 family)? (after installation it is "vesa") |
| 02:33.24 | maxamillion | taraskostiak: what method did you istall from? |
| 02:33.27 | jim | dondelelcaro and Wyzard, thanks... that's very informative |
| 02:34.25 | taraskostiak | maxamillion: from etch dvd |
| 02:34.57 | maxamillion | taraskostiak: my guess would be that you just need the xserver-xorg-video-i810 package (which should be installed by default but you might double check) and then just edit your xorg.conf |
| 02:35.28 | maxamillion | taraskostiak: that package contains the display drivers for the i8xx and i9xx intel chipsets which iirc, the x3100 belongs to |
| 02:35.41 | taraskostiak | I wrote "intel" instead of "vesa" but X don't start |
| 02:35.48 | taraskostiak | and that package is installed |
| 02:35.56 | maxamillion | hmmm... |
| 02:36.34 | Arrick_Work | hrmm, thats what I thought |
| 02:36.38 | Arrick_Work | I am getting this from the web download from debian |
| 02:36.47 | maxamillion | taraskostiak: just a moment, let me check on something |
| 02:37.26 | Arrick_Work | Connecting to cdredirect.debian.,at[213.135.253.206]:80 ... failed: Bad file descriptor |
| 02:37.32 | Arrick_Work | when using wget |
| 02:37.44 | Arrick_Work | I also dont get any activity from the torrents |
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| 02:39.18 | Arrick_Work | and from my other (one dsl, one cable connection) connection, I can only get 10bytes per second |
| 02:39.29 | Arrick_Work | (not kbps, bps) |
| 02:39.59 | jim | (other than echoing its result) how can a function in bash return a result? |
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| 02:40.13 | Wyzard | jim: exit 0 |
| 02:40.18 | Wyzard | oops, not exit |
| 02:40.19 | maxamillion | taraskostiak: you know ... the driver in etch might not support the X3100 because i think the X3100 is the i965 and according to apt-cache the highest chipset supported by the etch package is i945 |
| 02:40.42 | taraskostiak | it is i965 |
| 02:40.46 | Wyzard | jim: From a function, use "return" |
| 02:41.28 | jim | how do you call it? |
| 02:41.44 | maxamillion | taraskostiak: there is talk of some people getting it work with the 915resolution package and doing some "work around" style stuff ... or if you don't mind running lenny, they package in lenny supports the X3100 |
| 02:41.48 | jim | (and get the returned value too :) |
| 02:41.58 | Wyzard | jim: return 0 |
| 02:42.32 | Wyzard | jim: At the place where the function is called, the exit status comes back just like it would from any command -- you can check $? or whatever |
| 02:43.39 | taraskostiak | maxamillion : do etch-backports include driver for it? |
| 02:44.27 | maxamillion | taraskostiak: oh, i hadn't even thought of that (backports is something i've always been shy to try ... i'd rather just run testing branch) |
| 02:44.57 | taraskostiak | maxamillion: can I install driver from testing one? |
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| 02:46.17 | maxamillion | taraskostiak: i don't think so because i think its dependent on your version of xorg ... you'd be better off going with the backports if you plan on sticking with etch |
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| 02:48.10 | AssociateX | hello people |
| 02:48.38 | AssociateX | I b0rked my KDE on Deb. how do I switch channels with irssi? |
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| 02:49.41 | jim | with the remote!! |
| 02:49.46 | maxamillion | AssociateX: alt+# (# is the number of the channel "window") or /w # (again, # is channel number) |
| 02:50.00 | AssociateX | also, with is the app that provides a mouse in a VT, I thought it was gm but apt-cache search gm didn't show what I needed |
| 02:50.09 | Wyzard | AssociateX: gpm |
| 02:50.18 | AssociateX | maxamillion: thank you |
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| 02:50.26 | maxamillion | AssociateX: anytime :) |
| 02:50.28 | AssociateX | Wyzard: thank you as much too |
| 02:50.52 | AssociateX | I'm in a hurt bag right now on my second day of Deb with on VT's working |
| 02:50.53 | AssociateX | lol |
| 02:50.58 | KDE4000 | gpm for mouse in VT |
| 02:50.59 | crazyfrog | my music player like amarok or JuK music player always crash at some point with repeating the sound at that point,what problem it should be? |
| 02:51.09 | AssociateX | thank you KDE4000 |
| 02:51.20 | jim | I used vts for years n years... |
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| 02:51.38 | AssociateX | installing gpm now |
| 02:51.41 | KDE4000 | gpm+ links is great |
| 02:51.54 | maxamillion | is more a fan of w3m ... but to each their own |
| 02:52.01 | jim | you might stick with it for awhile as an exercise, it will pretty much force you to learn shell stuff |
| 02:52.32 | jim | which is sorta a good thing because you then gain some unexpected power |
| 02:52.44 | maxamillion | enjoys the terminal for many things but wouldn't wanna be cli only |
| 02:52.49 | AssociateX | KDE4000: gpm is real friggin' handy with VT's+lynx+irssi+error_logs |
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| 02:53.18 | maxamillion | i use the command line for things i either prefer to do in the command line or that i find easier from the command line, but things like web browsing and typing papers for school are just generally more conviently done with a gui |
| 02:53.22 | AssociateX | maxamillion: my kde is b0rked right now, I'm working on getting it fixed |
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| 02:53.35 | maxamillion | AssociateX: define "borked" |
| 02:53.37 | AssociateX | with out booting a knoppix cd and chrooting in |
| 02:53.52 | munkyeetr | i just did a fresh install of lenny and it only recognizes 900MB of my 2GB ram. any suggestions? |
| 02:54.07 | KDE4000 | say |
| 02:54.10 | KDE4000 | that reminds me |
| 02:54.13 | AssociateX | maxamillion: I'll define it quite clearly once I have gpm working and post to pastebin |
| 02:54.16 | AssociateX | bbl |
| 02:54.18 | \amethyst | munkyeetr: you used the i486 kernel? |
| 02:54.32 | KDE4000 | when i had debian testing on my desktop computer it showed 800MB of the 1GB it had |
| 02:54.54 | \amethyst | installing the -i686 or -k7 kernel should fix it |
| 02:55.06 | munkyeetr | amethyst: 2.6.22-3-486, same issue with 2.6.24-1-486 |
| 02:55.23 | maxamillion | AssociateX: okies, good luck |
| 02:55.28 | \amethyst | munkyeetr: -486 kernels have a limit of 1GB minus a bit, usually 800 to 900MB |
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| 02:56.31 | munkyeetr | amethyst: grrr. -486 came with it, oh well, so do I just download another kernel? i686? |
| 02:56.39 | AssociateX | dang, lynx was not installed either |
| 02:56.44 | AssociateX | installing now |
| 02:57.09 | AssociateX | now this is the way to spend a Friday night |
| 02:57.10 | \amethyst | munkyeetr: yes |
| 02:57.22 | KDE4000 | emerging links :D |
| 02:57.30 | munkyeetr | amethyst: thanks...grrr. |
| 02:58.08 | Wyzard | munkyeetr: What kind of processor do you have? |
| 02:58.58 | munkyeetr | Wyzard: Sempron 3000+ |
| 02:59.10 | Wyzard | OK, that's fine |
| 02:59.20 | Wyzard | just making sure it wasn't a VIA C3 or something that isn't actually a 686 |
| 02:59.29 | munkyeetr | Thanks |
| 02:59.38 | \amethyst | munkyeetr: then you could use -k7, but really -686 is fine (and -k7 is going away soon, already has in unstable) |
| 02:59.52 | KDE4000 | ouch |
| 02:59.57 | KDE4000 | u get rid of x86? |
| 03:00.14 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 03:00.21 | KDE4000 | 32bits |
| 03:00.25 | \amethyst | no |
| 03:00.27 | KDE4000 | ok |
| 03:00.30 | \amethyst | !k7 dropped |
| 03:00.30 | dpkg | k7 dropped is, like, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 |
| 03:00.36 | KDE4000 | i dont plan to use 64bit |
| 03:01.12 | jim | you don't need to |
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| 03:02.52 | jim | in fact things are working better right now in the 32 bit area... 64b userland has a few issues around what you can run (not flash) and what you can compile (some deb packages don't build due to compiler bugs that are being worked on) |
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| 03:03.46 | Wyzard | The only noteworthy limitations I've run into with 64-bit Debian are the lack of non-free Adobe Flash and Sun Java browser plugins |
| 03:04.23 | jim | what are the sources from main that won't build still? |
| 03:04.29 | KDE4000 | yes i alway stay away from that stuff |
| 03:04.30 | Wyzard | I'm sure there are a few free packages that still aren't available on 64-bit due to build issues, but so far I haven't found any |
| 03:04.43 | KDE4000 | what about the xchat plugin |
| 03:04.48 | KDE4000 | i heard that had bad problems |
| 03:04.59 | AssociateX | how do you switch chanelles with irssi again, sorry I can't scroll up |
| 03:05.03 | Wyzard | I don't know of any xchat "plugin", but I'm using 64-bit xchat right now |
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| 03:05.12 | jim | alt number |
| 03:05.33 | AssociateX | thanks a big fat ton jim |
| 03:05.46 | AssociateX | here is my error message |
| 03:05.49 | AssociateX | http://nopaste.info/705d6e9e8c.html |
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| 03:06.58 | KDE4000 | use /join maybe? |
| 03:06.59 | ryty | anyone had troubles with compiling the nvidia modules with 2.6.25? |
| 03:07.08 | ryty | (sid) |
| 03:07.12 | \amethyst | or ctrl-n or ctrl-x |
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| 03:07.41 | KDE4000 | is compiling his compiler! |
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| 03:08.39 | Rug | I am having an odd problem with NFS. I just recently nuked & reinstalled my workstation,and upon reconnecting to my NFS server share, I find I cannot 'write' to the share. server side has not changed. and I am 99% sure that my /etc/fstab is the same as it was. Suggestions? |
| 03:08.55 | jim | KDE4000: you going to do the test build after that? |
| 03:09.22 | KDE4000 | jim: actualy im gentoo user hanging out in here :P |
| 03:09.25 | \amethyst | Rug: what is the export line on the server, and what is the fstab line on the client? |
| 03:09.42 | Rug | one sec.. |
| 03:10.13 | Rug | exports: /mnt/storage 192.168.1.200(rw,no_root_squash,async) |
| 03:10.26 | Rug | 192.168.1.251:/mnt/storage /home/rug/storage nfs rsize=8192,wsize=8192,async,rw,noatime,hard,intr 0 0 |
| 03:10.33 | \amethyst | Rug: and is the client's IP address still 192.168.1.200 ? |
| 03:10.36 | Rug | fstab ^ |
| 03:10.53 | Rug | yupp, I can mount and access the share, it's just now read-only |
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| 03:11.05 | k-man | im about to put a new sata controller in my pc, how do i make sure my current sata drives don't get shifted to other devices? |
| 03:11.15 | k-man | other device nodes i should say |
| 03:11.21 | \amethyst | Rug: any messages in the logs on either side? |
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| 03:11.52 | Rug | not on server... one sec. |
| 03:12.05 | Rug | nor on client |
| 03:12.33 | Rug | /var/log/messages right? |
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| 03:13.11 | mysuppe | hello |
| 03:13.12 | \amethyst | Rug: also kern.log maybe |
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| 03:14.49 | Rug | nope, but thanks for pointing to that log, looks like I have a problem with my raid array! =) |
| 03:15.05 | \amethyst | on the server? |
| 03:15.09 | Rug | yeah |
| 03:15.16 | \amethyst | is the storage writable on the server? |
| 03:15.33 | \amethyst | maybe it's been emergency remounted RO |
| 03:15.33 | Rug | If I ssh into that box, yes it is |
| 03:15.36 | \amethyst | hm |
| 03:15.51 | Rug | actually NO it is not |
| 03:15.55 | munkyeetr | amethyst: new kernel and reinstalled nvidia drivers...back in business, all ram recognized - thanx again |
| 03:15.55 | Rug | damn |
| 03:16.34 | Rug | needs to go buy 2TB of HD's and start backing stuff up! |
| 03:16.58 | \amethyst | Rug: got that at work |
| 03:17.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | Rug: Got that in the other room |
| 03:17.15 | \amethyst | Rug: it's really annoying, though, when the 1TB backup disk dies |
| 03:17.21 | \amethyst | learned my lesson there :) |
| 03:17.47 | AssociateX | anyone have an idea http://nopaste.info/705d6e9e8c.html |
| 03:17.51 | AssociateX | thank yo |
| 03:17.53 | AssociateX | you* |
| 03:18.00 | jim | KDE4000: oh, ok... but the test build applies to any gcc |
| 03:18.04 | Rug | hehe yeah, but now I have an excuse to buy a new toy: Thermaltake BlacX have you see it? reminds me of an Atari 2600 |
| 03:18.09 | KDE4000 | :) |
| 03:19.42 | Blast_Hardcheese | I love how every motherboard is now branded "Vista compatible" |
| 03:20.03 | Blast_Hardcheese | Better is like a NIC or Router |
| 03:20.24 | Wyzard | Blast_Hardcheese: Back in 1999 I saw a *keyboard* labeled Y2K-compliant |
| 03:20.42 | Blast_Hardcheese | I wonder who comes up with this crap? |
| 03:20.47 | KDE4000 | LOL |
| 03:20.49 | Wyzard | salespeople |
| 03:20.56 | Rug | Tough question: Should I unmount my raid array to try and fsck it; or cross my fingers and hope it lives untill tomorrow when I get the backup drives?\ |
| 03:21.01 | Wyzard | since it is, technically, true |
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| 03:21.26 | KDE4000 | y2k certified paper :) |
| 03:21.31 | Blast_Hardcheese | Rug: Have you had problems mounting it? |
| 03:21.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | I know it's RO |
| 03:21.59 | Rug | the NFS mount works fine |
| 03:22.21 | jim | Rug: maybe neither |
| 03:22.42 | Rug | but the server has been running for a bit and I don't want to tempt fate |
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| 03:24.58 | Rug | I will leave it alone overnight. Backup to data and look into seeing why the array went south. Thanks for your help folks. |
| 03:25.07 | \amethyst | Rug: whatever you do, don't remount it RW until it's fixed :) |
| 03:25.34 | Rug | =) roger |
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| 03:29.32 | cheesepoop | how often doez a new debian get released? |
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| 03:29.56 | KDE4000 | every few years |
| 03:29.58 | Wyzard | cheesepoop: Roughly every 18-24 months |
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| 03:30.35 | cheesepoop | y dat long? |
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| 03:33.12 | kittonian | anyone have any advice on motherboards that work with the Xeon 5000 series socket 771 chips? |
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| 03:44.12 | WormFood | well, I tested my clock problems this morning, and it does not appear to be related to booting windows in any way. Now I'm suspecting it is something with apt-get process, because I did that too, but I saw nothing related to the timezone being updated |
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| 03:45.15 | WormFood | this random change of my hardware clock 12 hours into the past is really, really pissing me off |
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| 03:53.28 | NickPresta | WormFood, I had a similar problem (although in *buntu Gutsy). My clock would change to a year previous. The only thing that I could narrow it down to was booting Windows (Vista). *shrug* I never figured it out. |
| 03:53.48 | ryty | anyone had troubles with compiling the nvidia modules with 2.6.25? |
| 03:53.59 | WormFood | well, I haven't been able to narrow down this problem yet |
| 03:54.08 | WormFood | my clock is going into the past exactly 12 hours |
| 03:54.17 | WormFood | that is just so fucked up....it makes no sense to me at all |
| 03:54.25 | WormFood | my clock is set to local time |
| 03:54.33 | ding | I'm installing an application that requires libssp. I've found some information that says the package that used to provide it in debian has been removed from the distribution. Is there an alternate package or workaround I could do? |
| 03:54.38 | ryty | sounds like it's time for a cron job ;-) |
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| 03:55.21 | ding | ryty, I've had the same trouble, but not just with 2.6.25.... |
| 03:55.44 | ryty | ding: you get an error during compile? line 364 of nv-vm.c? |
| 03:56.08 | ding | ryty, let me try again and see |
| 03:59.05 | ding | ryty, nv-vm.c:363 with function 'global_flush_tlb' |
| 03:59.10 | ryty | yah |
| 03:59.15 | ryty | I get the same thing |
| 03:59.39 | ryty | figured anything out with it by chance? |
| 03:59.43 | ding | I get a lot of errors and warnings, so I gave up a while back and went with "nv" instead of "nvidia" |
| 04:00.07 | ryty | ding: I would, but I would like to have GLX/DRI |
| 04:00.44 | jim | why are you getting the errors? |
| 04:00.47 | ding | anyone know anything about libssp? |
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| 04:01.59 | ryty | jim: let me paste the output |
| 04:02.08 | ryty | (in to a pastebin) |
| 04:02.30 | jim | but that's not my question... |
| 04:02.47 | ryty | I can't recall, I need to try again to get the exact message |
| 04:03.20 | ryty | /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv/nv-vm.c:364: error: implicit declaration of function 'global_flush_tlb' |
| 04:03.42 | jim | implicit declaration. what is the compiler saying? |
| 04:03.58 | ryty | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=107144 |
| 04:04.00 | jim | show line 364 |
| 04:04.03 | ryty | it's a known issue |
| 04:04.14 | ryty | line 364 is global_flush_tlb(); |
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| 04:04.43 | jim | ok... so: that function call results in the compiler saying implicit declaration |
| 04:04.47 | jim | what does that mean? |
| 04:05.17 | \amethyst | jim: that it hasn't seen a declaration (prototype) for the function yet |
| 04:05.32 | jim | well it could mean that |
| 04:05.43 | Wyzard | That's exactly what it means |
| 04:06.10 | Wyzard | and it indicates that either the function declaration was moved to a different header that the current code doesn't #include, or the function simply no longer exists at all |
| 04:06.14 | jim | which is an error? |
| 04:06.28 | jim | this is C, right>? |
| 04:06.31 | Wyzard | yes, you can't call a nonexistent function |
| 04:06.35 | ryty | jim: correct. |
| 04:07.20 | jim | so you have to find the definition or declaration of that function |
| 04:07.34 | Wyzard | if there is one |
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| 04:08.11 | ryty | jim: too late. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=110088 |
| 04:09.06 | Wyzard | looks like I should wait for 173.08 to be packaged before I upgrade to 2.6.25 |
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| 04:09.19 | bonez44 | I can access my router, but not a web site behind it...for which port 80 is forwarded to the machine serving up said site...why??? |
| 04:09.21 | Wyzard | which is fine since 2.6.25 isn't packaged yet anyway |
| 04:09.53 | jim | bonez44: what a coincidence... that's my question too!!! |
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| 04:10.45 | bonez44 | really? I can access my office router..and tweak it till the cows come home..and I can ssh to my server machine, I just can't load the web site...which runs on it.. |
| 04:10.59 | ryty | bonez44: are the cows home yet? |
| 04:11.18 | bonez44 | no cows in site yet...hehe |
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| 04:11.36 | jim | so why can't you access the web site? |
| 04:11.38 | ryty | bonez44: sounds like you have some more router tweaking to do! ;-) |
| 04:11.52 | bonez44 | ah, but I have no idea where to tweak... |
| 04:12.10 | bonez44 | the ports are forwarded...so I should be able to access the site.... |
| 04:12.16 | jim | there's no information to go on... |
| 04:12.42 | jim | what happens when you telnet to its port 80 from outside? |
| 04:12.49 | ryty | it's a loopback nat problem |
| 04:13.07 | ryty | some routers don't support it |
| 04:13.26 | bonez44 | jim: good question.... |
| 04:13.40 | jim | and theanswer is? |
| 04:13.58 | Wyzard | If you're behind the router, trying to use the router's external address to access something that's port-forwarded behind the router, that likely won't work (as ryty said) |
| 04:14.00 | bonez44 | jim: are you talking 'telnet fyrenice.com:80'? |
| 04:14.08 | Wyzard | Use the server's internal address instead |
| 04:14.15 | jim | not colon, space. |
| 04:14.22 | bonez44 | ok |
| 04:14.32 | jim | from -outside- |
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| 04:14.39 | jim | that's what I'm first curious about |
| 04:14.40 | bonez44 | I am OUTSIDE now |
| 04:14.47 | Wyzard | OK, that's different |
| 04:14.52 | Wyzard | It could be that the ISP is blocking port 80 |
| 04:15.01 | Wyzard | That's fairly common |
| 04:15.19 | bonez44 | it reports Could not open connectiopn to the host, on port 80: Connect failed.. |
| 04:15.31 | jim | "yes, you paid for the internet... but we're not letting you use it!" |
| 04:15.41 | KDE4000 | probaly blocked |
| 04:15.43 | KDE4000 | try port 81 |
| 04:15.47 | KDE4000 | i have same issue... |
| 04:15.50 | bonez44 | would comcast block that port? |
| 04:15.58 | jim | there's nothing listening on 81 right now |
| 04:15.59 | Wyzard | Comcast blocks port 80 |
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| 04:16.09 | jim | or is there? |
| 04:16.10 | KDE4000 | configure apache to listen on port 81 |
| 04:16.17 | KDE4000 | not by default |
| 04:16.32 | bonez44 | how do I tell apache to listen on port 81? |
| 04:16.33 | ryty | I've used port 80 for years on comcast. never had any problems? |
| 04:16.42 | jim | by editing its config file |
| 04:16.50 | KDE4000 | make sure to forward ports |
| 04:16.54 | Wyzard | ryty: maybe it's a regional thing, but in my region they do |
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| 04:17.08 | jim | forward also 81 at the router |
| 04:17.09 | bonez44 | they never have before..... |
| 04:17.11 | KDE4000 | probaly a router firewall |
| 04:17.14 | Wyzard | So does Verizon on FiOS, though they didn't a year or two ago |
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| 04:18.48 | jim | ok I'm learningruby... |
| 04:19.18 | jim | what's a simple beginning tut? can ruby run shell commands? |
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| 04:19.40 | Wyzard | jim: http://poignantguide.net/ruby/ is one that I know of |
| 04:19.47 | Wyzard | though it's rather weird |
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| 04:20.01 | jim | the tutorial is weird? or ruby is weird? |
| 04:20.06 | jim | or both :) |
| 04:20.15 | Wyzard | Both, but mostly the tutorial |
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| 04:22.03 | jim | doing the thing I wanted to do in bash was just not worth pursuing and refactoring again to accomodate the shell's problems |
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| 04:23.05 | jim | I just need to make sure that whatever scripting language I pick is able to run things like ifup eth1 |
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| 04:23.52 | Wyzard | I'm sure it's *possible* in Ruby, though it's probably not as natural as from a shell script |
| 04:24.29 | jim | if ruby is out, I'll either do tcl or python, which I'd have to learn |
| 04:24.42 | Wyzard | Python is nice |
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| 04:24.54 | Wyzard | though, again, shell scripts are more natural for running system commands |
| 04:24.56 | jim | so I hear |
| 04:25.05 | jim | yes I understand that |
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| 04:25.41 | jim | but it's totally unnatural for other things, so I'm pretty strongly considering bailing on it |
| 04:26.13 | bonez44 | jim: simply clearing out port 80 forwarding, saving, and then reloading it...fresh...restored the connection, weird..but glad it worked |
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| 04:27.15 | jim | you can return a number but not a string... to return a string you have to echo it... then if that same function echos other things, that becomes part of the "return" value |
| 04:27.20 | jim | bah. |
| 04:27.41 | jim | I was about to refactor to accomodate that |
| 04:28.07 | bonez44 | I'll keep it in mind for the next time it does this |
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| 04:32.19 | Ryan52 | If I dist-upgrade from sarge to etch, will postgres still work or is there something that needs to be done to make it work? |
| 04:33.27 | bonez44 | I'd like to upgrade my mail/mailman/ssh/apache machine...from sarge to etch..can it be done easily? |
| 04:34.43 | Ryan52 | bonez44: dist-upgrade...change everything that says sarge to etch in /etc/apt/sources.list and then run apt-get update and then run apt-get dist-upgrade. But you config files (and other stuff) might not work right. |
| 04:35.35 | CompWizrd | you should look through the release notes as well.. things like squid require a 2.6 kernel |
| 04:35.45 | jim | upgrades are safer if you back up your storage first |
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| 04:35.55 | Ryan52 | If its an important server, you would be best off getting another machine and starting from scratch. |
| 04:36.01 | jim | you -cannot- downgrade |
| 04:37.01 | jim | the only way you're gonna downgrade is if you back up first |
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| 04:42.32 | brianski | ack. did anyone else just upgrade perl on a 32 bit machine and get massive brokenness? |
| 04:42.44 | brianski | also, is there RT or something like that for debian? |
| 04:44.34 | Ryan52 | !BTS |
| 04:44.34 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
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| 04:46.02 | ding | What's the proper way of downgrading a package to a particular version? Where does one go? |
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| 04:46.53 | ugly | I'm attempting to authenticate a Windows box with a SAMBA share, but the Windows box receives no password prompt, instead defaulting to (what I assume is) the guest account. What could be causing this? |
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| 04:48.12 | syscle | how do you permantly change the hostname in debian? |
| 04:48.18 | unop | ding, have you heard of apt pinning? |
| 04:48.33 | ugly | syscle: edit /etc/hostname |
| 04:48.38 | Ryan52 | syscle: hostname MY_NEW_HOSTNAME, then edit /etc/hostname, then edit /etc/hosts |
| 04:48.42 | Wyzard | ugly: and /etc/hosts |
| 04:48.46 | ding | unop, no. Where can I learn more? |
| 04:48.49 | syscle | ryan danke. |
| 04:48.58 | Ryan52 | np. |
| 04:49.27 | unop | ding, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 04:51.06 | Ryan52 | ding, unop: that has nothing to do with downgrading (unless you want the version from a different Debian version)...theres somewhere that you can download old package versions from but I forget where |
| 04:51.15 | ding | unop, sounds useful, but I only want 1 package with a very specific version. |
| 04:51.52 | Ryan52 | ding: well, I do know that once you get it right, run "aptitude hold package_name" to keep it from upgrading again |
| 04:52.15 | brianski | ding: that's exactly what it does |
| 04:52.50 | ding | Ryan52, thanks. But is there an archive of old packages ? |
| 04:53.00 | Ryan52 | yes, I just dont know where |
| 04:53.20 | Ryan52 | If its from an old version of debian you can use apt pinning |
| 04:54.16 | pinto3 | dpkg manpage has info in the --force-thing section for installing specific versions |
| 04:55.38 | ding | pinto3, isn't that used for once you've got the package you need in hand? |
| 04:56.05 | unop | Ryan52, are you sure, if i understand the apt_preferences manpage right .. if you assign a priority >1000 to a package, that should constitute a downgrade. |
| 04:56.28 | Ryan52 | yes, if that package is from an older version of debian |
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| 04:57.03 | Ryan52 | If theres a package from etch version 2.3 and you upgrade to 2.4 and you want to get back to 2.3 that won't work unless sarge has 2.3. |
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| 04:58.36 | unop | ding, was an older version of your package installed from a previous version of debian i.e. installed before you upgraded? |
| 04:59.15 | venger | Having an issue booting a custom kernel on one particular workstation, and haven't figured out what I'm missing: http://pastebin.com/m185eb2a5 |
| 04:59.46 | ding | I believe so, I just know that the package I've got is too new to satisfy the requirements of another package (libssp0), so I'm trying to get the specific version that libssp0 needs |
| 04:59.58 | Ryan52 | venger: you need to add a root= to your boot command line |
| 05:00.05 | ding | I'm surprised this is so difficult. I would have thought that this kind of thing happens all the time.... |
| 05:00.07 | unop | venger, it looks like you haven't created an initrd image |
| 05:00.17 | Ryan52 | err, a correct one |
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| 05:01.09 | Ryan52 | are you sure its not something wierd like sde...I've had that happen |
| 05:01.14 | venger | unop i dont want the initrd image which is why i compiled core modules into the kernel |
| 05:01.39 | venger | well it doesn't list the partitions so i imagine some other support isn't compiled in |
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| 05:02.02 | firebird619 | Could someone help me with snort. I installed it by mistake and now when I start the PC, it sits at "Not Using PCAP_FRAMES" and the PC doesn't start. I can't even switch to another virtual console to remove it. What can I do to get rid of it? |
| 05:02.08 | unop | ding, it does happen a lot, the best thing you can do is probably compile the package anew if an older version is not available to install |
| 05:02.33 | Ryan52 | firebird619: snort wouldn't do that. |
| 05:03.11 | unop | venger, did you use kernel-package to build the new kernel? make-kpkg i.e. ? |
| 05:03.24 | firebird619 | Ryan52: What would, and how can I fix it? Above where this text is, it has some text about snort, so I assumed it was that. |
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| 05:03.58 | Ryan52 | oh, it is snort. |
| 05:04.00 | Ryan52 | lied |
| 05:04.06 | venger | unop, yep the only thing really different here besides the hardware is that i'm not so fluent on grub, however i dont expect the root=device to change if a initrd image is not involved |
| 05:04.16 | Ryan52 | firebird619: got a live cd handy? |
| 05:04.34 | firebird619 | Ryan52: I am on a live cd right now |
| 05:04.44 | Ryan52 | do you have your hard drive mounted? |
| 05:04.57 | firebird619 | Ryan52: No, but I can do so quick |
| 05:05.03 | Ryan52 | do that. |
| 05:05.18 | firebird619 | Ryan52: Ok. What's next |
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| 05:05.30 | Ryan52 | firebird619: then "sudo chroot /where_I_mounted_it" |
| 05:05.41 | Ryan52 | firebird619: and run "apt-get remove snort" |
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| 05:07.25 | firebird619 | Ryan52: Ok, it is removing it now. Thanks alot for your help. |
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| 05:07.45 | Ryan52 | np |
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| 05:26.05 | ddalton | huh? how do I tell it where to write to? |
| 05:26.35 | Lagbolt | wodim dev=/dev/hdc |
| 05:26.36 | Lagbolt | :) |
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| 05:30.00 | mysuppe | ddalton: http://www.go2linux.org/how-to-burn-iso-image |
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| 05:31.01 | venger | unop, finally, it was CONFIG_SATA_AHCI support that was missing... thanks for trying to help |
| 05:31.30 | unop | venger, ahh, I wouldn't have thought of that :) |
| 05:31.48 | Lagbolt | lab |
| 05:31.57 | Lagbolt | damnit wrong window lol |
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| 05:33.31 | firebird619 | Ryan52: I have ran that command, and it had given me some permission denied messages mostly for /dev/null. It went through with removal of snort and now when I run apt-get remove snort it says it is not installed, however, when I run the command snort, it comes up with the usage, options, etc. Is that right? It shouldn't do that should it beings snort is supposedly removed? |
| 05:34.11 | \amethyst | Ryan52: did you compile snort by hand at some point? |
| 05:34.14 | \amethyst | err |
| 05:34.17 | \amethyst | oops |
| 05:34.24 | \amethyst | firebird619: did you compile snort by hand at some point? |
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| 05:35.26 | firebird619 | amethyst: No, I just had accidentally installed it and now on startup of the PC, it sits at Not Using PCAP_FRAMES, and the pc doesn't start so I can use it. |
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| 05:37.47 | firebird619 | \amethyst: Would it help at all to install it and them remove it again? I am on a live cd and that's how I removed it with Ryan52's help. |
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| 05:38.25 | Bushmills | firebird619: what does which snort give you? |
| 05:38.47 | firebird619 | Bushmills: /usr/sbin/snort |
| 05:39.04 | Bushmills | and dpkg -l snort ? |
| 05:40.37 | firebird619 | Bushmills: It returns six lines of text, the last of which being: rc snort 2.7.0-13 Flexible Network Intrusion Detection System |
| 05:41.10 | Ryan52 | capital L |
| 05:41.12 | Bushmills | so it is not uninstalled yet |
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| 05:41.40 | Ryan52 | oh, nvm |
| 05:41.48 | Bushmills | ehm. rc suggests that it is. which snort says it isn't |
| 05:42.06 | firebird619 | Ryan52: with -L it returns Package `snort' does not contain any files (!) |
| 05:42.25 | \amethyst | firebird619: what does dpkg -S /usr/sbin/snort say? |
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| 05:43.09 | firebird619 | ame |
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| 05:43.20 | firebird619 | \amethyst: dpkg: serious warning: files list file for package `snort-common-libraries' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed. |
| 05:43.31 | Bushmills | and dpkg -l snort-mysql ? |
| 05:43.39 | \amethyst | hm |
| 05:43.41 | firebird619 | \amethyst: It says that same line for snort-common and snort-rules-default |
| 05:43.49 | \amethyst | wonder what happened there |
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| 05:44.00 | \amethyst | you didn't go removing things from /var/lib/dpkg/info did you? |
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| 05:44.40 | firebird619 | \amethyst: no, I wouldn't dare, I'd be too afraid I would remove the wrong thing. I don't understand it all good enough to do that. |
| 05:44.56 | \amethyst | good :) |
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| 05:45.17 | firebird619 | Bushmills: The last line of the output is un snort-mysql <none> (no description available) |
| 05:45.26 | Bushmills | ok |
| 05:45.56 | Bushmills | firebird619: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/snort ? |
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| 05:47.22 | firebird619 | Bushmills: The last line is: dpkg: /etc/init.d/snort not found. Lines above that are three that are the dpkg: serious warning: messages that I pasted to \amethyst above. |
| 05:48.28 | Bushmills | hm. looks like you should be able to boot your disk system again. but still some fixing/cleaning up needed |
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| 05:49.28 | firebird619 | Bushmills: What is in need of fixing and cleaning up. If I boot to my disk and it starts ok, would you be willing to help me fix and clean up? |
| 05:49.40 | extras | hello, is there a known issue about clamav not creating it's /var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl in debian-stable, any place where can i check that ? |
| 05:50.03 | Bushmills | firebird619: the fact that tere is still a snort executable in your /usr/bin while snort has been uninstalled |
| 05:50.39 | firebird619 | Bushmills: Ok. Well I will give booting to my disk a shot and see what happens. I may be back for more help. |
| 05:50.41 | Ryan52 | firebird619: once you boot up if you install and then uninstall snort (and it works right this time), then it will be clean. |
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| 05:51.42 | firebird619 | Ryan52: Ok, Thank you. |
| 05:51.49 | firebird619 | Thanks everyone for your help. |
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| 05:53.01 | Bushmills | does "which" look at cached names? i.e. something hash -r would have fixed? |
| 05:53.23 | Ryan52 | is pretty sure it doesn't |
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| 05:55.19 | Bushmills | right. i just tried it, and it doesn't output a location for a hashed filename of a deleted file. |
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| 05:56.05 | AssociateX | Hello people |
| 05:56.55 | AssociateX | how would I reinstall all my profile, host* and bash* config files? |
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| 06:01.54 | Bushmills | AssociateX: copy them from backup |
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| 06:06.07 | Malf | any ideas as to why xdm says it's starting when I boot up, but it clearly does not start but seems to run fine if I write out the command manually? |
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| 06:07.14 | firebird619 | I am still getting the same Not Using PCAP_FRAMES message. What can I do next to try and resolve this issue? |
| 06:07.27 | Bushmills | Malf: "write out" as in "xdm" or "/etc/init.d/xdm start" ? |
| 06:07.35 | Malf | as in |
| 06:07.44 | Malf | running the command that is listed inside the init.d script |
| 06:07.52 | Malf | start-stop-blahblahblah |
| 06:07.59 | Malf | xdm on its own is fine too |
| 06:08.03 | Malf | calling the script fails |
| 06:08.44 | Bushmills | firebird619: dpkg -P all packages which have "snort" in its name |
| 06:08.59 | Bushmills | dpkg -l | grep snort should show you |
| 06:09.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep snort should show you |
| 06:09.13 | Bushmills | lol |
| 06:09.30 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.31 | Bushmills | dpkg is not very bright |
| 06:10.02 | firebird619 | Bushmills: It returned snort, snort-common, snort-common-libraries, and snort-rules-default |
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| 06:10.16 | Bushmills | firebird619: get rid of those |
| 06:10.35 | firebird619 | Bushmills: So, apt-get remove them? |
| 06:10.48 | Bushmills | use dpkg -P list of package names |
| 06:11.10 | Bushmills | that also removes the config files |
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| 06:12.47 | firebird619 | Bushmills: Ok, I did that. dpkg -l | grep snort doesn't return anything now. Should I be ok now to boot to my disk, or at least try to? |
| 06:13.16 | Bushmills | firebird619: lets look at your /usr/bin/snort first, whether it is still there |
| 06:13.29 | Bushmills | do file /usr/bin/snort |
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| 06:14.25 | firebird619 | Bushmills: /usr/bin/snort returns No Such File or Directory, but it was /usr/sbin/snort which still exists. |
| 06:14.36 | Bushmills | ah. yes. |
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| 06:14.52 | firebird619 | Bushmills: file /usr/sbin/snort returns /usr/sbin/snort: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
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| 06:15.31 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:16.02 | firebird619 | Bushmills: ------------------ /usr/sbin/snort |
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| 06:16.22 | Bushmills | ls /etc/init.d/*snort* |
| 06:16.51 | firebird619 | Bushmills: /etc/init.d/snort |
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| 06:17.29 | Bushmills | edit /etc/init.d/snort, insert a line under the first line, saying exit 0 |
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| 06:17.54 | alxgom1 | hi all... I would like to set up an official debian repository for french polynesia... waht to do who do I have to contact? |
| 06:17.55 | heroxbd | Hello, I want to build a rescue system on my external USB-HDD drive. Can I do it with live-helper? |
| 06:18.41 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
| 06:18.41 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 06:18.43 | dondelelcaro | alxgom1: see bove. |
| 06:19.28 | Ryan52 | oh, I just love it when you remotely reboot a server and it doesn't come back up :P |
| 06:19.38 | dondelelcaro | Ryan52: that's why you should always have a serial console. |
| 06:19.50 | alxgom1 | ok sounds good thx... dondeelcaro |
| 06:20.01 | Bushmills | Ryan52: rescue system time |
| 06:20.09 | firebird619 | Bushmills: Ok, is there anything else I should do? |
| 06:20.27 | alxgom1 | how much free space dp i need if i want to host all the i386 packages? |
| 06:20.46 | Bushmills | firebird619: reboot to disk system, install snort, deinstall again. look at possible error messages |
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| 06:21.22 | firebird619 | Bushmills: Ok, I will give that a try. I may be back for help if it doesn't work. Thanks for the help. |
| 06:21.33 | Bushmills | alxgom1: all... about 60 gb |
| 06:21.45 | Bushmills | alxgom1: installed size, that is. |
| 06:21.53 | alxgom1 | ok good thx |
| 06:21.55 | Bushmills | alxgom1: as packages about 20 gb |
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| 06:22.21 | Bushmills | alxgom1: be aware that there are several among those which are mutually exclusive |
| 06:22.28 | streuner | Don't forget testing and unstable... |
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| 06:22.50 | x1250 | !info |
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| 06:23.11 | streuner | x1250: /msg dpkg help |
| 06:23.28 | x1250 | streuner: thanks |
| 06:24.08 | Phase | How do I update my system to use the testing version? |
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| 06:24.20 | Azar | hello honorables! |
| 06:24.27 | streuner | Phase: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 06:24.34 | Phase | thanks |
| 06:24.44 | Bushmills | testing = lenny |
| 06:24.56 | Phase | heh |
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| 06:25.20 | streuner | lenny has the same (usually) problems like sid, it doesn't hurd if he read that FAQ |
| 06:25.21 | alxgom1 | this is a bit scary cause in french polyesia we have limited connectivity throught satelit connection only :( |
| 06:25.59 | firebird619 | Ok. I was able to start my pc now. thank goodness. Now, what is the best way to install and deinstall snort, via synaptic, apt-get, aptitude or what? |
| 06:26.06 | Phase | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ yep it's lenny |
| 06:26.22 | Bushmills | alxgom1: rfc 1149 |
| 06:26.28 | streuner | Phase: read <sid faq> first |
| 06:26.34 | alxgom1 | what do you mean by "mutualy exclusive " Bushmills? |
| 06:26.57 | Phase | I'd rather go with testing, than unstable, in terms of how the debian.org website explains them. |
| 06:26.59 | Bushmills | alxgom1: that if you install one, it will uninstall another. |
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| 06:28.02 | streuner | Phase: there are also backports (/msg dpkg backports) |
| 06:28.07 | alxgom1 | so you mean installed packages?... what i want to setup is a mirror... |
| 06:28.23 | Phase | I know, I have backports already. |
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| 06:28.28 | Bushmills | alxgom1: about 20 gb should do |
| 06:28.42 | streuner | Phase: why do you think you need lenny then? |
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| 06:29.06 | alxgom1 | that's fine how my mirror should keep in sync with official debians mirrors? |
| 06:29.07 | Phase | Theres still some outdated programs, XChat, for example. |
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| 06:29.55 | streuner | don't see any big new features in X-Chat, but ok |
| 06:30.17 | Phase | The one in the repo is 2.6, the latest is 2.8 |
| 06:30.18 | Bushmills | yeah, but for a mirror you don't really have control over what downloaders will download |
| 06:30.26 | streuner | Phase: and? |
| 06:30.30 | firebird619 | Bushmills: Can I just do an aptitude install snort and then aptitude remove snort? |
| 06:30.38 | Phase | Don't get high and mighty when I prefer newer releases over older ones. |
| 06:30.43 | zor0 | hi, i'm setting up a raid0 array with 2 80 gb drives that are several years old, I don't know the exact transfer rates. is it likely to matter wether I have them on the same ata133 cable? |
| 06:30.43 | Ryan52 | firebird619: yes. |
| 06:30.50 | Bushmills | firebird619: yes, but you also want to remove the dependencies. |
| 06:31.02 | firebird619 | Ryan52: Ok, Thanks. |
| 06:31.05 | Bushmills | i.e. those packages which are installed as consequence of installing snort |
| 06:31.11 | streuner | Phase: version changes, that doesn't mean you have better software |
| 06:31.22 | Ryan52 | firebird619: aptitude, apt-get, and synaptic all use the same backend. |
| 06:31.49 | Phase | It means I have updated software. |
| 06:31.54 | firebird619 | Bushmills: Doesn't aptitude do that? If not, how do I find out what all the dependencies are? |
| 06:32.13 | Ryan52 | firebird619: apt-get autoremove will take care of that |
| 06:32.17 | Phase | This conversation shouldn't even be happening. How would you like it if I were to bitch and moan about something you'd prefer to do over something else? |
| 06:32.27 | Bushmills | firebird619: apt-cache depends snort |
| 06:32.36 | Phase | I'm pretty sure you wouldn't. So have a good (bad) day. |
| 06:32.54 | Phase | Be back later. |
| 06:32.59 | streuner | Phase: if you want talk with a computer, do that, but that's my op. |
| 06:33.05 | firebird619 | Ryan52: I was aware of that, but from what I have read, there are differences between, say, apt-get and aptitude, so I didn't know if one would be better or not. |
| 06:33.34 | firebird619 | I will try to install and remove snort, I'll be back if I have errors or problems |
| 06:33.46 | Ryan52 | firebird619: its more of personal preference...aptitude is a little nicer about dependanies, but they do the same thing |
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| 06:34.08 | valdyn | firebird619: aptitude is the officially recommended tool. |
| 06:34.40 | firebird619 | Ok, Thanks everyone. |
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| 06:40.48 | Azar | wow! " At the last major upgrade of Debian/Stable, all the routers at the major International fibreoptic backbone sites across the world redlined for a week." |
| 06:41.19 | Haris1 | 6.7 MB kernel size |
| 06:41.24 | Haris1 | its much lower than the other one |
| 06:41.35 | dondelelcaro | uh... only insane people use non-local mirrors |
| 06:41.57 | Azar | dondelelcaro: pretty impressive: http://www.advogato.org/article/972.html |
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| 06:43.30 | dondelelcaro | uh... that post is kind of uniformed on a few levels |
| 06:43.46 | ootput | what's the bot command for nvidia on testing? |
| 06:44.02 | streuner | ootput: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 06:44.08 | Azar | dondelelcaro: agree, for example "I want" to be on the mailing lists |
| 06:44.09 | streuner | and read wiki.d.o about |
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| 06:44.31 | ootput | oh, it was nvidia.post.etch |
| 06:44.50 | ootput | s/./_/ |
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| 06:46.05 | streuner | but, keep in mind, nvidia packages aren't in testing, IIRC |
| 06:46.23 | ootput | yep, pinning of testing with unstable |
| 06:46.47 | streuner | .oO (Don't use pinning) |
| 06:46.57 | ootput | i use a negative score for unstable |
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| 06:47.32 | ootput | well, for everything other than testing |
| 06:47.42 | firebird619 | Bushmills: I have installed and removed snort. file /usr/sbin/snort returns No Such File or Directory. Is everything ok with it now? |
| 06:47.57 | Bushmills | firebird619: looks allright |
| 06:48.10 | firebird619 | Bushmills: Ok, Thanks. |
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| 06:50.12 | zeno_ | hi! my /etc/enviornment is set with a :~/src, but starting a new bash echo $PATH outputs it without! why could this be/how to fix? |
| 06:50.33 | Azar | dondelelcaro: yeah the editor confesses he needs some help from a "debianite" on some comments |
| 06:50.48 | dondelelcaro | zeno_: you don't want to set ~/src in in the path systemwide |
| 06:50.56 | dondelelcaro | zeno_: just add it in your .bsahrc or similar |
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| 06:51.03 | zeno_ | ah ok thx |
| 06:51.06 | Bushmills | zeno_: rephrase |
| 06:51.24 | dondelelcaro | zeno_: and you need export PATH="$PATH:~/src" or similar. |
| 06:51.37 | zeno_ | ok, thanks |
| 06:51.46 | x1250 | where may I find dpkg bot source? |
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| 06:52.01 | dondelelcaro | x1250: infobot.sf.net |
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| 06:52.30 | x1250 | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot |
| 06:52.30 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 06:52.30 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 06:53.01 | ScriptDevil | how stable is unstable? Look at the distros that are based on debian stick with lenny/sid or pure sid, is my perception that sid by itself is quite stable true? |
| 06:53.16 | streuner | ScriptDevil: unstable :-) |
| 06:53.17 | Bushmills | ScriptDevil: define "unstable" |
| 06:53.26 | Bushmills | or, "stable", for that mater |
| 06:53.28 | Bushmills | matter |
| 06:54.03 | streuner | ScriptDevil: read bugs.debian.org and you know how stable unstable is :-) |
| 06:54.11 | Haris1 | Ok |
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| 06:54.22 | Haris1 | fixed the kernel issue with iptables/nat/masq |
| 06:54.25 | Azar | ScriptDevil: the "unstable" Sid is know to break your toys |
| 06:54.28 | Haris1 | installed and booted from the new kernel |
| 06:54.35 | Haris1 | now to test squid in transparent proxy |
| 06:54.55 | ScriptDevil | "stable" minor breakdowns are not a problem. I am a hobbyist and I have used GNU/Linux for 4 or more years. But I should not be left wth an irrepairable sys |
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| 06:55.22 | Bushmills | ScriptDevil: sid won;t reboot your computer every hour, but that's not what "unstable" relates to. |
| 06:55.31 | Bushmills | it is more about "frequent change" |
| 06:55.54 | Bushmills | stable is stable because it doesn't change (a lot) |
| 06:56.03 | Azar | I like the subtility with which sid breaks toys... very soft |
| 06:56.23 | ScriptDevil | Bushmills: So, if I do use sid, I would get bleeding edge. I dont mind spilling a little blood either :D |
| 06:57.01 | Haris1 | What does the second line mean here? |
| 06:57.01 | Haris1 | # cat /proc/mdstat |
| 06:57.02 | Haris1 | Personalities : [linear] [raid0] [raid1] [raid10] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [multipath] [faulty] |
| 06:57.02 | Bushmills | ScriptDevil: i can't suggest to do that because all the channel would be over me if i did |
| 06:57.22 | Haris1 | that the kernel supports this many raid roles or that I have this many roles on the box? |
| 06:57.51 | Bushmills | ScriptDevil: but system crashes are rare even with did. inidividual programs may show bugs and problems. |
| 06:58.13 | Bushmills | and the package management isn't always smooth |
| 06:58.22 | Bushmills | sis |
| 06:58.25 | Bushmills | grr |
| 06:58.26 | Bushmills | sid |
| 06:58.28 | streuner | you need some experiences with Debian, otherwise you'll get many headaches with sid |
| 06:58.36 | Haris1 | oops |
| 06:58.42 | Haris1 | need to change gateway |
| 06:59.22 | ScriptDevil | Bushmills: That shouldnt be a problem. Ok... I will upgrade lenny to the latest and then change sources.list to sid and dist upgrade |
| 07:00.36 | Azar | ding dong! Day changed to 26 Apr 2008 |
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| 07:00.52 | icesword | hoho |
| 07:00.55 | Bushmills | it did so 8 h ago |
| 07:01.09 | icesword | 15 h ago |
| 07:01.16 | Azar | rush people, I don't mind waiting |
| 07:01.22 | Bushmills | local time, maybe, not GMT |
| 07:01.25 | icesword | ScriptDevil, why do you use sid |
| 07:01.39 | Azar | yeah S California time, we are the last to change the day |
| 07:01.46 | Bushmills | oh. 7 h ago |
| 07:02.06 | \amethyst | Azar: I think you might be mistaken about that |
| 07:02.18 | Azar | \amethyst: about what? |
| 07:02.38 | \amethyst | Azar: California being the westernmost timezone |
| 07:02.39 | Azar | ah the last place to change the day? |
| 07:02.55 | Azar | \amethyst: I thought wrong, which is the last? |
| 07:03.16 | Azar | hawaii? |
| 07:03.19 | ScriptDevil | icesword: 1) I like bleeding edge 2) Because testing lacks some stuff without the sid repos enabled too (I did pin) 3) Because I want to help report bugs :D |
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| 07:03.38 | streuner | omg |
| 07:03.45 | streuner | forget 3) |
| 07:03.46 | icesword | k |
| 07:03.50 | Azar | hello mister rahul |
| 07:04.01 | ScriptDevil | streuner: And why so? :P |
| 07:04.19 | \amethyst | Azar: Kiribati or so |
| 07:04.24 | streuner | ScriptDevil: you need some knowledge in order to report bugs |
| 07:04.28 | Bushmills | i suppose bug reporting is more important with testing |
| 07:04.52 | rahuljk2002 | hello can anyone give me link to a howto that describes howto implement virtual shared folders using acls in courier imap |
| 07:04.56 | streuner | ScriptDevil: and in most cases specially about the app. itself |
| 07:05.04 | Bushmills | with sid, things are a bit too much a moving target |
| 07:05.04 | rahuljk2002 | hello miss Azhar |
| 07:05.06 | Azar | \amethyst: hoho, never heard of that place, thanks for the heads up |
| 07:05.13 | Azar | :) |
| 07:05.19 | rahuljk2002 | :( |
| 07:06.30 | ScriptDevil | streuner and Bushmills: One more reason is that I have always preferred roling releases to the normal release cycle |
| 07:06.48 | Bushmills | i'd say, hands on bug fixing is what sid wants, bug reporting is for lenny |
| 07:07.09 | rahuljk2002 | i have tried many times to seek help at #courier channel but they seems not to answer any queries |
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| 07:07.47 | ScriptDevil | Bushmills: I dont want to sound like a troll. But I know I am starting to :( |
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| 07:08.13 | Bushmills | rahuljk2002: i;ve set those up for postfix, and it was easy. no idea how to do that with courier, but if docs are not adequate, why not consider to change? |
| 07:08.28 | Bushmills | ah. imap. |
| 07:08.43 | rahuljk2002 | i am stuck with qmail and courier imap |
| 07:08.49 | Bushmills | using dovecot for imap |
| 07:09.03 | ScriptDevil | Ok. Let me upgrade to sid.. If I feel I cannot stand its bugginess, I will back up my /home and install lenny |
| 07:09.09 | rahuljk2002 | do it supports maildirs and acls |
| 07:09.54 | Bushmills | rahuljk2002: the developer sits on #efte |
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| 07:10.07 | rahuljk2002 | ok |
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| 07:10.44 | rahuljk2002 | thanks Bushmills |
| 07:10.44 | Bushmills | it supports maildir mboxes |
| 07:10.52 | Bushmills | not sure about acls |
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| 07:11.25 | rahuljk2002 | but dovecot is not so mature as do the courier and cyrus |
| 07:11.56 | rahuljk2002 | can you tell me whether cyrus supports maildirs ? |
| 07:12.10 | Bushmills | probably not. (mature) |
| 07:12.21 | Bushmills | (as mature..) |
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| 07:14.07 | Bushmills | well, i do have a reason to use it .. config issues with courier :) |
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| 07:14.40 | rahuljk2002 | ok |
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| 07:15.05 | generic | i have apache2 on my fw i want my apache2 on my fw to redirect request comming in from live ip on port 80 to my internal server on port 80 |
| 07:15.07 | generic | any idea |
| 07:15.08 | generic | ? |
| 07:15.19 | rahuljk2002 | so do you have implmented shared folders in the dovecot imap ?? |
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| 07:15.35 | rahuljk2002 | using imap acl extension |
| 07:15.39 | Bushmills | generic: you can proxy it, there is an apache module for that |
| 07:15.50 | jim | you don't generally want to run apache on your firewall |
| 07:15.54 | generic | proxy means? |
| 07:15.57 | Azar | wow, nice, Lenny will come with qmail! |
| 07:16.09 | Bushmills | generic: forwarding a request to another web server |
| 07:16.15 | generic | jim i have webmin on my fw thats why am running apache2 |
| 07:16.29 | generic | how i do |
| 07:16.31 | generic | any idea? |
| 07:16.45 | jim | just so you know... webmin has some broken pieces |
| 07:16.55 | valdyn | what'S the point of a firewall when you are running webmin on it? |
| 07:17.33 | streuner | !webmin |
| 07:17.33 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 07:17.38 | jim | well maybe they'reworking better now |
| 07:18.32 | rahuljk2002 | dear Bushmills ! |
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| 07:18.35 | streuner | Azar: source? |
| 07:18.50 | heroxbd | Hello! How can I make my USB-HDD drive bootable. |
| 07:18.50 | Bushmills | generic: an alternative to web proxying is, don't forward the request but serve from remote files. for example, using openvpn on both ends, and automount remote web dir woth nfs to location of doc root. |
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| 07:19.18 | heroxbd | I used "grub-install /dev/sdb(my USB-HDD)", but it didnot work. |
| 07:19.20 | jim | heroxbd: your bios must support booting from usb |
| 07:19.37 | Azar | streuner: http://debian-news.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4278 |
| 07:19.42 | Bushmills | Bushmills: first would run cgi on remote, and second would cgi on first server. |
| 07:19.50 | heroxbd | jim, Yes, there is "USB-HDD" on my bios boot menu |
| 07:20.05 | generic | no its my email site and normally user access it from home or remote locations although some users have vpn but not all usres have vpn access |
| 07:20.25 | Haris1 | What does this mean "[TCP segment of a reassembled PDU]" ? -> 45255.674150209.85.12.90192.168.0.244TCP[TCP segment of a reassembled PDU] |
| 07:20.25 | jim | heroxbd: ok, so what happens when you try booting it |
| 07:20.44 | Bushmills | rahuljk2002: virtual mail users and directories i used postfix for. |
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| 07:20.59 | rahuljk2002 | ok |
| 07:21.06 | xingu | Haris1: tcp permits the transport to segment a packet unless the DF flag is set |
| 07:21.28 | heroxbd | jim, It says "no bootable media found" if I disable my SATA HDD. and It boot direct into my SATA HDD if I turn it on |
| 07:21.32 | xingu | Haris1: I would presume, that the logged message indicates that you've just recieved such a packet fragment |
| 07:21.35 | rahuljk2002 | so you have haven't used imap acl extension, do you? |
| 07:21.43 | Haris1 | xingu: Ok, so this packet was not fragmented, it was just torn into several segments before transmitting (as uaul) ? |
| 07:21.46 | Haris1 | usual+ |
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| 07:22.05 | Bushmills | rahuljk2002: no acls. i offer imap locally (access through web frontend) and over vpn. access control done on vpn level. |
| 07:22.15 | xingu | Haris1: I wouldn't want to comment further without a packet capture |
| 07:22.28 | streuner | Azar: i cannot see an official statement about... |
| 07:22.30 | jim | heroxbd, ok, could you repeat exactly how and where you installed grub |
| 07:22.33 | rahuljk2002 | thanks Bushmills |
| 07:22.39 | ScriptDevil | Ok.. I have started the dist-upgrade. Have the lenny cd handy just in case ... Thanks Bushmills and streuner |
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| 07:23.06 | streuner | ScriptDevil: /msg dpkg sid faq |
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| 07:23.23 | ScriptDevil | streuner: I saw that before upgrading' |
| 07:23.39 | ScriptDevil | errr.. Thanks dpkg ;) |
| 07:23.44 | xingu | Haris1: however - a packet is always emitted at the tx end in mss(<mtu) sized pieces; what the transport does from there is its own business as long as it plays by the rules |
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| 07:23.54 | heroxbd | jim, I plug in the USB-HDD. It appears up as "/dev/sdb". So I "grub-install /dev/sdb", and it went out without error. |
| 07:24.27 | xingu | Haris1: possibly what you're thinking of is the transmit _window_ getting segmented then sent in packets |
| 07:24.28 | streuner | ScriptDevil: fine, good luck. |
| 07:24.31 | Haris1 | what does the last part say? This is from wireshark -> 608330.052567192.168.0.244209.85.137.19TCPvaprtm > http [ACK] Seq=12401 Ack=4729 Win=65535 Len=0 |
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| 07:24.52 | Haris1 | the vaprtm > http bit in it |
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| 07:25.29 | ScriptDevil | thanks. streuner.. Anyway.. I have two backup oses dual booted. Foresight and Arch. So I can recover my data at any time :D |
| 07:25.34 | xingu | Haris1: I believe it's source and desination port respectively, but I haven't verified |
| 07:25.55 | xingu | Haris1: I'd guess if so that the > indicates either session state or directionality or perhaps both |
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| 07:26.39 | Azar | streuner: just under the 11. th see: Debian Lenny to be shipped with qmail and djbdns in main |
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| 07:27.09 | stick-guy | in the postinst script for cupsys 1.2.7-4etch3, this line is causing me problems: |
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| 07:27.12 | stick-guy | db_get cupsys/backend && SELECTED=$RET |
| 07:27.18 | stick-guy | what does "db_get cupsys/backend" do? |
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| 07:28.00 | \amethyst | stick-guy: gets information out of debconf |
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| 07:28.57 | Clown | can i make a usb device as a authentication device for physical access to a server? |
| 07:29.02 | Bushmills | famous last words "sid doesn't break a lot" :) |
| 07:29.29 | Clown | the scenerio is that my server is placed in a common work area and people might be able to do funny things to it |
| 07:29.35 | Bushmills | Clown: for *physical* ? |
| 07:29.43 | Clown | can i make a usb-key authenticate me? |
| 07:29.51 | Bushmills | i.e. like, the usb device building some deterrent energy shield? |
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| 07:30.19 | dondelelcaro | Clown: if people have physical access to the machine, they own it. |
| 07:30.57 | \amethyst | Clown: libpam-usb |
| 07:30.58 | Bushmills | Clown: you can cryptoloop mount ancrypted partitions, with the key on usb stick |
| 07:31.01 | xingu | I wish one of these virtualisation projects would pull their finger out and create a stable api for virtulised opengl contexts already |
| 07:31.13 | xingu | as clever as indirect glx is, it's punishing slow. |
| 07:31.25 | heroxbd | I come up with a question. Why the "Live USB" solutions out there are all based on a MS-mbr and a fat16 partition and using syslinux to load? |
| 07:32.18 | jim | perhaps so that you can look at them in windows |
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| 07:32.38 | stick-guy | \amethyst: do you know where cupsys/backend refers to? |
| 07:32.49 | Bushmills | Clown: you can even mount a password based mount scheme, with, say, a gpg encrypted mount script, containing the password, on usb key. |
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| 07:32.54 | heroxbd | Can I seat a grub2 on the USB-HDD and install the system in a ext3 partition? My USB-HDD is 80G, so maybe I can install a full system on it. |
| 07:33.09 | sploodge | I think my random crashed due to the kernel. |
| 07:33.15 | Bushmills | and a rule in udev to autoexecute that by decrypting first. |
| 07:33.20 | xingu | what mystifies me is why nvidia aren't already pushing this envelope, you'd think that something like vmware esx would be a beautiful fit for what they're trying to do with their HPC boxes |
| 07:33.23 | sploodge | Err, that didn't come out right. |
| 07:33.28 | Bushmills | but that may be a bit hackish |
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| 07:33.47 | heroxbd | jim, no I don't need windows support. I just want to make a rescue system on USB-HDD |
| 07:33.57 | \amethyst | stick-guy: what kind of backend cups uses |
| 07:34.07 | xingu | single image computing is just _so_ yesterday |
| 07:34.21 | Clown | Bushmills, where can i find more info on this? |
| 07:34.21 | \amethyst | stick-guy: lpd (parallel port), serial, USB, IPP (print to an IPP server), etc |
| 07:34.37 | stick-guy | \amethyst: right, but it's getting an entry out of that call that doesn't exist. Specifically, it's trying to do things to the dnssd backend, which doesn't exist. |
| 07:34.59 | jim | heroxbd: coupla things... first, I'm about to head out... second, you asked the question; I made a guess |
| 07:35.11 | stick-guy | \amethyst: so I either need to know how to update that part of debconf, or hack it. |
| 07:35.53 | heroxbd | jim, It is very kind of you to help. I will push my way out, I am sure. |
| 07:36.27 | \amethyst | stick-guy: so reconfigure cupsys to use a different backend |
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| 07:37.02 | stick-guy | \amethyst: this problem is surfacing when dpkg --configure cupsys is running :) |
| 07:37.17 | Bushmills | Clown: actually, i have no idea :) i read the udev docs for the second part of this scheme (the auto decrypting mount script through udev) |
| 07:37.39 | \amethyst | stick-guy: what is the error exactly? |
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| 07:38.01 | stick-guy | \amethyst: ln: accessing `/usr/lib/cups/backend-available/dnssd': No such file or directory |
| 07:38.32 | stick-guy | \amethyst: when I debconf-show cupsys, I see this line: |
| 07:38.35 | stick-guy | \amethyst: cupsys/backend: ipp, lpd, parallel, scsi, serial, socket, usb, snmp, dnssd |
| 07:38.43 | stick-guy | \amethyst: I need to get the dnssd part *out* of there. |
| 07:38.54 | Bushmills | Clown: using it to mount a password based encfs directory on same usb sticks on specific machines. needing password on others. |
| 07:39.17 | stick-guy | \amethyst: it might be of interest to you to know that this machine used to be unstable and is now stable. |
| 07:39.35 | generic | bushmills |
| 07:39.37 | generic | u there |
| 07:39.46 | Bushmills | *pinch* |
| 07:39.50 | Bushmills | i think so |
| 07:39.59 | \amethyst | stick-guy: oh |
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| 07:40.10 | \amethyst | stick-guy: thing like this are why downgrading isn't recommended |
| 07:40.45 | stick-guy | \amethyst: yeah, I'm learning that workstation machines are best left that way. :| |
| 07:41.29 | generic | hey |
| 07:41.32 | generic | how i redirect |
| 07:41.38 | generic | can u guide me |
| 07:41.46 | ootput | are any of you familiar with dhcp leases? I've a debian dhcp server on my network that issues leases to wireless clients. I've noticed that sometimes the clients can get a lease, but other times not. I then have to setup ip manually for each client in order for them to see the network. Is there a way to specify that the dhcp server always issue leases? |
| 07:41.55 | generic | see users it on my live ip on port 80 |
| 07:42.06 | Bushmills | generic, there's good documentation about it, that's a better guide than me |
| 07:42.19 | generic | hey |
| 07:42.32 | Bushmills | generic: yes. |
| 07:42.33 | generic | i just want to redirect |
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| 07:42.42 | generic | its just a 2 line work |
| 07:42.45 | Bushmills | cn be used per virtual hostname |
| 07:42.49 | generic | can u tel me so that i can do it quickly |
| 07:43.40 | stick-guy | \amethyst: I think I found it though. A bit of a hack, but I think it'll work. |
| 07:43.59 | Bushmills | 2, maybe 3 lines |
| 07:45.01 | generic | what ? |
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| 07:45.55 | Bushmills | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_proxy_http.html |
| 07:47.22 | Bushmills | the reverse proxy example is what you want to look at |
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| 07:49.49 | \amethyst | stick-guy: what did you come up with? |
| 07:50.40 | stick-guy | \amethyst: grep dnssd on the debconf database |
| 07:51.16 | stick-guy | \amethyst: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 07:51.23 | stick-guy | \amethyst: very much a hack, but it works. |
| 07:51.43 | \amethyst | stick-guy: I was going to suggest: |
| 07:51.59 | \amethyst | stick-guy: 1. make sure it's not mentioned in the template /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.templates |
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| 07:52.34 | \amethyst | stick-guy: 2. debconf-loadtemplate cupsys /var/lib/dpkg/info/cupsys.templates |
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| 07:53.15 | \amethyst | stick-guy: 3. also change the current value of the setting: debconf-communicate <<<'set cupsys/backend ipp, lpd, parallel, scsi, serial, socket, usb, snmp' |
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| 07:54.45 | stick-guy | \amethyst: I think #3 would've done the trick. |
| 07:55.09 | stick-guy | \amethyst: thanks for all your help. |
| 07:55.32 | \amethyst | stick-guy: yeah, after looking at it, I think you're right |
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| 07:55.52 | generic | thanks |
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| 08:02.55 | Bushmills | hmm only 1.4 TB / month for the ul mirror? .. i have 50 tergabyte/year traffic leftover which i don't use atm. |
| 08:02.59 | Bushmills | tera |
| 08:03.17 | Bushmills | wondering whether i should contribute that for a deb mirror |
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| 08:07.54 | Bushmills | debian is causing about 10 million hits per month on server already but that's low traffic, |
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| 08:13.39 | py_ | hello |
| 08:14.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi |
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| 08:14.39 | Tidus | sorry about that guys... had to refresh my nick list and i forgot to part all channels. |
| 08:15.18 | py_ | I have hard drives from an old novell netware server. I need to access its data. I connected it to an etch box. fdisk -l reports the partition's type as "Novell Netware 386". Can this type of partition be mounted and read on linux? What kind of fs is that? |
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| 08:16.28 | hoxu | py_, what does file -s <partition> say? |
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| 08:16.54 | py_ | hoxu: /dev/sda2: data |
| 08:17.29 | \amethyst | it's probably NWFS |
| 08:17.39 | py_ | hoxu: complete output from fdisk -l for this partiton is "/dev/sda2 14 1106 8779522+ 65 Novell Netware 386" |
| 08:17.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | thats pretty retro |
| 08:18.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | although i suppose they wouldnt have updated the partitiojn type |
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| 08:18.48 | qrta | !drxx |
| 08:18.59 | py_ | Kamping_Kaiser: the server in which this disk was located is between 12 and 15 years old, so its indeed kind of retro ;-) |
| 08:19.42 | hoxu | py_, which kind of proves the point of going through all valuable data every five years or so, making sure the media and formats remain accessible :) |
| 08:19.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | py_, try mounting it and see what happens :) |
| 08:19.58 | Bushmills | py_: afaik, NCP, novell network protocol, is supported, but novell file system isn't. |
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| 08:20.29 | \amethyst | Jeff Merkey used to maintain, and maybe still does, a NWFS driver for Linux |
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| 08:20.44 | hoxu | http://lwn.net/2000/0803/a/nwfs.php3 |
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| 08:21.04 | py_ | hoxu: well, I completely agree with that, and that's how I do. Was not responsible for that box... But now I have to get the data back |
| 08:21.11 | \amethyst | I found something more recent, moment |
| 08:21.25 | \amethyst | http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Netware_386_File_System_Linux_and_Windows |
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| 08:22.36 | peleg | what is the command that determines the system volume (from the terminal)? |
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| 08:22.56 | hoxu | peleg, system volume? |
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| 08:23.21 | Bushmills | peleg: determine, as in, find out> |
| 08:23.22 | Bushmills | ? |
| 08:23.25 | Bushmills | df or mount |
| 08:23.43 | peleg | hoxu: the global volume; determine, as "set", not as "get" |
| 08:23.44 | py_ | Kamping_Kaiser: mount doesn't figure out itself what kind of fs it is |
| 08:24.06 | mross | How do you move a process from one TTY to another? |
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| 08:24.21 | Ozux | Is Gnome-obex-send (er) removed from Lenny? |
| 08:24.21 | Bushmills | mross: start it in screen |
| 08:24.27 | \amethyst | mross: run it under screen in the first place |
| 08:24.28 | Bushmills | in program screen |
| 08:24.34 | py_ | \amethyst, hoxu: hum, this nwfs stuff looks 2.4 only at all... |
| 08:24.43 | bvkleef | During the creation of a Debian Etch front node cluster I always get the same problem: if I type apt-get install dcc-front could, for example, shorewall-dcc found but not the basic package, shorewall :( |
| 08:24.44 | bvkleef | Should I add a source to the source.list? And if so which ones? This I have already inserted, deb http://ftp.irb.hr/pub/irb/dcc. / |
| 08:24.44 | bvkleef | My apologies for the brackish English! |
| 08:24.45 | bvkleef | During the creation of a Debian Etch front node cluster I always get the same problem: if I type apt-get install dcc-front could, for example, shorewall-dcc found but not the basic package, shorewall :( |
| 08:24.45 | bvkleef | Should I add a source to the source.list? And if so which ones? This I have already inserted, deb http://ftp.irb.hr/pub/irb/dcc. / |
| 08:24.48 | bvkleef | My apologies for the brackish English! |
| 08:24.50 | bvkleef | During the creation of a Debian Etch front node cluster I always get the same problem: if I type apt-get install dcc-front could, for example, shorewall-dcc found but not the basic package, shorewall :( |
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| 08:24.53 | bvkleef | Should I add a source to the source.list? And if so which ones? This I have already inserted, deb http://ftp.irb.hr/pub/irb/dcc. / |
| 08:24.53 | \amethyst | mross: if that's not an option, you can do evil things with gdb (close and re-open stdout etc) |
| 08:24.56 | bvkleef | My apologies for the brackish English! |
| 08:24.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | bvkleef, dont flood |
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| 08:25.06 | Bushmills | mross: alternatively, there is some vnc alike for consoles. |
| 08:25.10 | solarw | how to read /learn ethereal /wireshark output |
| 08:25.13 | Bushmills | but i forgot its name |
| 08:25.21 | bvkleef | During the creation of a Debian Etch front node cluster I always get the same problem: if I type apt-get install dcc-front could, for example, shorewall-dcc found but not the basic package, shorewall :( Should I add a source to the source.list? And if so which ones? This I have already inserted, deb http://ftp.irb.hr/pub/irb/dcc. / My apologies for the brackish English! |
| 08:25.23 | hoxu | peleg, I don't understand the question |
| 08:25.26 | bvkleef | During the creation of a Debian Etch front node cluster I always get the same problem: if I type apt-get install dcc-front could, for example, shorewall-dcc found but not the basic package, shorewall :( Should I add a source to the source.list? And if so which ones? This I have already inserted, deb http://ftp.irb.hr/pub/irb/dcc. / My apologies for the brackish English! |
| 08:25.41 | hoxu | peleg, do you want the device of the root partition or what? |
| 08:25.48 | peleg | hoxu: sorry. I just want to SET the volume, using a command that I can write in the terminal |
| 08:25.51 | x1250 | bvkleef: dont repeat, or you'll get kicked/banned |
| 08:26.02 | Bushmills | peleg: vim /etc/fstab |
| 08:26.09 | bvkleef | sorry!!! |
| 08:26.45 | peleg | Bushmills: no, not that... |
| 08:26.54 | mross | Bushmil and \amethyst, unfourtunately that is not another an option, I started a process in one ssh session, got disconnected, established another ssh session, and need to move the process which is still running to the TTY associated with new SSH session. How should I do that? |
| 08:27.35 | hoxu | peleg, what do you mean with volume? Root partition? If so, what's your bootloader? |
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| 08:29.01 | hoxu | mross, I don't know if that's possible, you should run stuff in screen for that |
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| 08:29.39 | peleg | hoxu: :-) I am listening to music. I can change the volume (of the music!) with the buttons on the laptop box, or using the mixer of Gnome. I want to do it via the terminal. I can do it via "alsamixer" - but I want to do it not-interactively, I mean, by something like "alsamixer -setvolume 9" or so... is that clear now? :-) |
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| 08:29.52 | mross | hoxu, unfourtunately, I was not running stuff in screen when that happened. |
| 08:30.03 | Bushmills | lol |
| 08:30.06 | jintxo | I kind of recall things like ttysnoop or something like that; this is from many years ago but it might still exist |
| 08:30.13 | jintxo | mross, ^ |
| 08:30.17 | Bushmills | "system volume" hehe |
| 08:30.26 | peleg | Bushmills: sorry! :-) |
| 08:30.34 | jintxo | you'd have to be root to do something like that... |
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| 08:30.48 | mross | jintxo, what does you mean by "^"? |
| 08:30.57 | jintxo | mross, it measn "look up" :-) |
| 08:30.58 | peleg | mross: he means look one line up |
| 08:31.22 | hoxu | peleg, heh, yeah, you really meant volume... as in audio :P |
| 08:31.37 | Bushmills | peleg: aumix -v50 for example |
| 08:31.39 | peleg | hoxu: indeed! |
| 08:32.31 | peleg | well, I don't have "aumix". it doesn't look like "alsamixer" command has it (looked in its man) |
| 08:32.35 | hoxu | peleg, I use "amixer sset Master 5+ unmute" and "amixer sset Master 5- unmute" |
| 08:32.43 | hoxu | !installit |
| 08:32.43 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 08:32.59 | peleg | hoxu: thanks, I'll try that! |
| 08:33.28 | mross | jintxo, I am not root so ttysnoop won't work. |
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| 08:34.04 | jintxo | mross, yeah and I looked it up and it seems like it needs to be set up. it was a wild guess, something I used many years ago and couldn't recall exactly how it worked., sorry :-) |
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| 08:37.07 | peleg | hoxu: thanks, it worked! |
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| 08:38.36 | Azar | hmm this guy complaints that the new 2.6.24-1 kernel in lenny (recently implemented) removes his binary blob for sound that worked ok with 2.6.18. Are the newer kernels coming in debian starting to axe older firmware? |
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| 08:39.09 | Azar | http://www.insidesocal.com/click/2008/03/debian-lenny-new-kernel-new-pr.html |
| 08:41.27 | bvkleef | can some one help me with a list of sources for the soure.list (debian etch) |
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| 08:41.47 | py_ | well, I put the drive back into the novel server box, and it seems to still boot properly (I have no clue at all about netware :-() |
| 08:41.52 | dondelelcaro | Azar: uh, it almost certainly won't remove the binary blob, but it probably won't work with old binary blobs. |
| 08:42.07 | py_ | perhaps I can get to access the data through the network |
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| 08:42.40 | \amethyst | Debian has been removing non-free blobs from the kernel for a while |
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| 08:42.57 | dondelelcaro | from the kernel, but not from people's system... |
| 08:44.07 | dimir | Morning! |
| 08:44.25 | Azar | ouch... I am keeping my old PCs around with no intent to buying a new one.. |
| 08:44.32 | Azar | hi meister dimir |
| 08:45.04 | Clown | linux from scratch |
| 08:45.04 | dimir | hoi Azar ;) |
| 08:45.18 | Azar | with so many mergers/quitters in the hardware industry today, hard to find firmware upgrades |
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| 08:45.30 | Tidus | my oldest system at the moment is a p4-2.4 laptop |
| 08:45.31 | Clown | i intent to build a system delicated for bittorrenting from scratch |
| 08:45.47 | dondelelcaro | Clown: why waste your time doing that? |
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| 08:46.04 | Clown | experimenting |
| 08:46.15 | Clown | read it somewhere |
| 08:46.47 | Clown | that's it possible to build a delicated webserver consuming only 8mb of disk space |
| 08:47.27 | starscalling | rawr! |
| 08:47.34 | dondelelcaro | you can do a webserver in even less space, but it's not particularly useful. |
| 08:47.47 | starscalling | anyone recommend a good control panel aimed towards someone reselling plans on server? |
| 08:47.58 | starscalling | preferably something mysql based |
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| 08:48.45 | Clown | dondelelcaro, in what way is it un-useful ? |
| 08:48.56 | starscalling | Clown: the less space it takes the less it can do |
| 08:49.15 | starscalling | 8MB isnt much more than kernel, busybox, and perhaps lighthttpd lol |
| 08:49.42 | Clown | planning to virtualise some of the server |
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| 08:50.04 | Clown | was interested in experimenting |
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| 08:53.13 | mross | How do you do the GDB hack to move a process from one pts to another |
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| 08:54.47 | harfg | hey all, Just wandering if the new debian is free of Gstreamer Mangledness?? |
| 08:55.00 | Haris1 | well |
| 08:55.11 | dondelelcaro | harfg: check the bts |
| 08:55.27 | harfg | bts? |
| 08:55.32 | Haris1 | building all iptables modules/tables into the kernel on vanilla (as they call it) 2.6.25 didn't help |
| 08:55.51 | Haris1 | I'm still getting the same issue, even when I have one client behind the box |
| 08:55.59 | starscalling | harfg: just go server install |
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| 08:56.14 | starscalling | and install gdm/synaptic/gnome-core/x-window-system |
| 08:56.18 | streuner_ | !bts |
| 08:56.18 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges . |
| 08:56.19 | starscalling | then add componants to taste |
| 08:56.20 | Haris1 | harfg: BTS (Bug Tracking System) -> http://bugs.debian.org |
| 08:56.23 | starscalling | no gstreamer needed :D |
| 08:56.45 | starscalling | or pimp it with icewm / open/flux/black box :D |
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| 08:57.56 | harfg | well under buntu normal from file playback seems ok .. but connecting to streams or trying to Probe the devices causes internal gstreamer errors |
| 08:58.15 | Haris1 | harfg: Ubuntu is in #ubuntu |
| 08:58.20 | harfg | trying to escape that |
| 08:58.22 | Haris1 | as they say |
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| 09:00.11 | harfg | I just dont want to waste my time heh as its based on debian .. and the chances are the problem still manifests |
| 09:00.23 | harfg | which I have wasted 3 days of now |
| 09:00.57 | ddalton | I just did something, and now sudoers (/etc/sudoers) is owned by uid1000 apparently should be 0. how do I fix? |
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| 09:02.11 | py_ | Ok, I can see that novell server when issuing "slist". But trying to mount the volume gets me a "ncpmount: Invalid server response (-330) in nds login". Has anyone any experience with novell and linux? |
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| 09:03.22 | rhineheart_m | what is the command to shutdown debian? |
| 09:03.34 | Hoxzer | shutdown -h now |
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| 09:05.27 | harfg | well Im going to chance it.. I dont think the ubuntu crowed care about the same ethos as you guys ,, this is so super frustrating |
| 09:05.43 | harfg | goes to compare time between releases |
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| 09:10.13 | py_ | ok, I was trying this from an ubuntu box, and its ncpfs packages are broken! Back to my etch box, it works. I'm currently copying the data :-) |
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| 09:11.02 | harfg | ha |
| 09:12.20 | rhineheart_m | shutdown -h now and shutdown -r now.... what's the difference? |
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| 09:12.50 | fengor | reboot and halt |
| 09:13.08 | fengor | with -r it comes up again and with -h it does not |
| 09:13.19 | rhineheart_m | thanks.. that helps.. |
| 09:13.38 | rhineheart_m | how about making semlinks in sites-enable? how to do it? |
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| 09:13.59 | fengor | man ln |
| 09:14.01 | Azar | heck, and it is right my favorite DVD-writer, cool price too! http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200804/errord/dvdwriter.png |
| 09:14.12 | rhineheart_m | man ln? then? |
| 09:14.18 | fengor | read |
| 09:14.20 | ootput | hmm, when preparing a firewall to accept dhcp requests on the wireless interface, should the rule be allowing requests to 255.255.255.255 port 67, or to the ip address of the wireless interface? |
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| 09:15.32 | eth01 | :D |
| 09:16.08 | Azar | interesting, good to know dpkg is forked and is not working same as the ubuntu's one |
| 09:16.36 | icesword | how ot install opera |
| 09:17.04 | \amethyst | !opera apt |
| 09:17.04 | dpkg | check http://www.opera.com/support/search/view/841/?keyword=apt&platformID=7 |
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| 09:18.03 | Haris1 | How can I change the severity of bugs I posted to BTs? |
| 09:18.07 | Haris1 | BTS+ |
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| 09:18.31 | azote | anyone know parted ?? i have this http://pastebin.com/m4b49f08 |
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| 09:18.52 | azote | i need to resize 4 to 600Go instead of 1483 |
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| 09:19.19 | azote | i think "resize 4 1730 600000" |
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| 09:20.00 | azote | anyone can tell me if it will be good because i have data on this partition and dont want to lost them :p |
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| 09:22.35 | mutante | azote: if unsure you could try "xparted" or "gparted". GUIs for parted |
| 09:22.55 | hoxu | azote, if you don't want to lose data, backup :P |
| 09:23.00 | azote | its a dedicated server |
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| 09:23.20 | azote | i dont have graphic server |
| 09:23.55 | azote | and dont have more disk to backup :) |
| 09:24.07 | mutante | azote: you need another server and rsync between them or something |
| 09:24.50 | azote | i dont have anything :) |
| 09:24.54 | azote | to backup |
| 09:24.55 | mutante | then you have a backup. and for the GUI part you could still use them via X forwarding |
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| 09:25.34 | mutante | ssh -X ... |
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| 09:28.50 | Bushmills | output, allow requests to ip address of dhcp server, 67. don't bother with from, the client doesn't have its definitive address yet when the request is issued |
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| 09:29.25 | Number9 | i have a bit of a wierd problem--i have a cellphone umts connection that i use sometimes--lately--when i use that connection--it changes my hostname and klauncher wont work--anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 09:29.36 | Bushmills | output, though you may want to restrict or allow requests from specific interfaces |
| 09:29.38 | ootput | Bushmills: but how does the client specify the address of the dhcp server? |
| 09:29.54 | Bushmills | output, it broadcasts the request |
| 09:29.59 | dokma_ | azote: what I did when I resized partition on my dedicated server a few weeks ago that also has no gui was to sshfs mount my home machine and do a backup like that |
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| 09:30.03 | ootput | Bushmills: what i mean is, would i specify the 'to' ip as broadcast? |
| 09:30.15 | dokma_ | then I used fdisk to delete the swap |
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| 09:30.29 | dokma_ | enlarged the main partition and recreated swap again |
| 09:30.37 | dokma_ | it worked without a single problem |
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| 09:31.04 | Bushmills | output, you can't keep the client from asking anybody. but you can allow/disallow the machine with iptables to listen/ignore. |
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| 09:31.36 | Bushmills | (assuming you configure iptables on the dhcpd machine) |
| 09:31.41 | ootput | Bushmills: but how do you specify clients? does iptables take Mac addresses? |
| 09:31.49 | Bushmills | it can. |
| 09:31.58 | Bushmills | but what do you intend to do? |
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| 09:32.33 | Bushmills | you can set up dhcpd to honour requests for specific macs only |
| 09:32.57 | ootput | Bushmills: it's a wireless network, with the firewall maching serving dhcp leases, doing nat translation etc. |
| 09:33.02 | Bushmills | which would probably be the route to go if you want to control which client is allowed to obtain a config |
| 09:33.32 | ootput | Bushmills: I would like to implement some sort of security in terms of mac address specification (although this can be forged) |
| 09:33.49 | Bushmills | ah. i'd do that in dhcpd config |
| 09:33.55 | mutante | setup static dhcp (by mac) and dont define any dynamic range |
| 09:34.05 | ootput | Bushmills, mutante: I've done that |
| 09:34.23 | ootput | but I just wanted to work with the firewall side of things |
| 09:35.01 | ootput | basically, I've blocked all traffic on all interfaces by default.. now I just want to allow dhcp requests from specific wireless clients. |
| 09:35.41 | mutante | are the clients also operated by you? |
| 09:35.52 | ootput | by the household, yes |
| 09:36.25 | mutante | just thinking, maybe you could use a non standard port for dhcp on server and client to make it harder for rogue clients |
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| 09:36.29 | Bushmills | ootput: you can use mac filtering with iptables, or you can also use arptables |
| 09:36.34 | Number9 | is anyone familiar with whats causing that hostname change i spole of? |
| 09:36.42 | Number9 | *spoke of |
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| 09:37.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | Number9, how do you perform the connection, and where does the hostname change? |
| 09:37.23 | Number9 | ok let me repeat what i said earlier |
| 09:37.28 | Number9 | i have a bit of a wierd problem--i have a cellphone umts connection that i use sometimes--lately--when i use that connection--it changes my hostname and klauncher wont work--anyone know how to fix this? |
| 09:37.47 | Number9 | this only happens with the umts connection |
| 09:38.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | i dont know what that is :/ so probaly wont help |
| 09:38.40 | Number9 | its a cellphone connection faster than gprs |
| 09:39.11 | Bushmills | Number9: you use computer to connect over umts to net? |
| 09:39.14 | Number9 | when i connect by wired interface or wifi the hostname isnt changed and ther's no problem |
| 09:39.28 | Number9 | for example right now--im on wifi |
| 09:39.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | where does the hostname change? |
| 09:39.50 | shingouz | Number9: you need to use a ppp for the connection to work? i mean, the umts connection looks like a normal modem to the system? |
| 09:39.51 | Bushmills | Number9: may be a dhcp thing, computer obtains hostname from a dhcp server |
| 09:39.56 | Bushmills | or ppp |
| 09:40.01 | Number9 | yes it uses ppp |
| 09:40.08 | Bushmills | can be disabled in the respective client confg |
| 09:40.10 | Bushmills | config |
| 09:40.57 | shingouz | Number9: check the ppp connection configs, i suspect you have a nice little "allow change of hostname" there. no idea where and what it is called but i would personally go through all the related configs |
| 09:41.06 | extor | http://i25.tinypic.com/309mvm8.png <=-- Me running firefox on a remote Knoppix bawx across the room but viewing it on my debian bawx |
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| 09:41.46 | ddalton | how do I get dpkg to tell me about clone? or how is it spelt? |
| 09:41.49 | Number9 | ok where are the ppp configs? i just use kppp and all i had to do was enter the apn and password in a box |
| 09:42.10 | Bushmills | Number9: /etc/ppp |
| 09:42.18 | Bushmills | options, probably |
| 09:42.23 | generic | Bushmills |
| 09:42.25 | mutante | ddalton: apt-cache search clone? |
| 09:42.29 | generic | i am trying to do this |
| 09:42.40 | Number9 | ok--if there is a line that says--"allow hostname change" rem that out? |
| 09:42.44 | ddalton | no... |
| 09:42.46 | generic | ProxyPass ^zabbix/$ http://10.1.1.106/zabbix/ |
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| 09:42.50 | generic | but it gives error |
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| 09:42.56 | filippo | hi all |
| 09:43.01 | generic | Syntax error on line 20 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default: |
| 09:43.01 | generic | Invalid ProxyPass parameter. Parameter must be in the form 'key=value' |
| 09:43.04 | generic | what this mean |
| 09:43.12 | generic | what i am doing wrong |
| 09:43.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | generic, exactly what it says. your not using the form key=value |
| 09:43.38 | mutante | generic: you dont use a = |
| 09:43.44 | Haris1 | My tcp/ipv4 problem does NOT occur when I go to the internet through a hardware router |
| 09:43.59 | generic | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.04 | Haris1 | ..it only happens when I go through the linux box |
| 09:44.05 | generic | i did this |
| 09:44.09 | generic | what is wrong in this |
| 09:44.13 | generic | can u explain |
| 09:44.14 | shingouz | Number9: in options or pap-secrets, chap-secrets, also ppp/provider |
| 09:45.36 | Number9 | in /etc/ppp/options ? where am i looking? |
| 09:45.43 | shingouz | Number9: i am not sure if you have something like /etc/ppp/peers/kppp in there but if you have, do a quick look on that too |
| 09:45.51 | Number9 | ok |
| 09:45.54 | Bushmills | generic: are you sure that regular expressions are valid where you use them? |
| 09:46.04 | generic | well yes |
| 09:46.12 | ddalton | why doesn't /msg dpkg clone tell me anything |
| 09:46.13 | ddalton | ? |
| 09:46.15 | generic | in my default dir |
| 09:46.24 | generic | does i need a virtaul host |
| 09:46.27 | generic | i dont have any |
| 09:46.37 | mutante | dpkg: clone? |
| 09:46.37 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 09:46.45 | generic | i use it in <Directory /var/www/> |
| 09:46.53 | shingouz | Number9: all the files are pretty well commented, look for something that lets the system change the hostname on you. if nothing else works, you *could* always make the hostname immutable but that is a non-kosher way to do it |
| 09:46.57 | mutante | dpkg: tell ddalton about clone |
| 09:47.04 | Bushmills | generic: try to specify primary name without regular expressions, just to be sure |
| 09:47.20 | generic | i did |
| 09:47.22 | generic | no use |
| 09:47.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | generic, tried #apache? |
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| 09:47.41 | generic | u mean ProxyPass /zabbix/ http://10.1.1.106/zabbix/ |
| 09:47.42 | Bushmills | have you enabled proxy module? |
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| 09:48.49 | Number9 | i already tried changing the one line in /etc/hosts.conf from multi on to off |
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| 09:49.22 | Number9 | is that the non kosher way you meant? |
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| 09:49.47 | shingouz | Number9: nope, change the file attributes to immutable |
| 09:50.00 | generic | yes |
| 09:50.18 | generic | 2enmod proxy && a2enmod proxy_http n restart apache2 |
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| 09:50.34 | Number9 | file attrib of /etc/host.conf ? |
| 09:51.23 | shingouz | Number9: host.conf? |
| 09:51.41 | Bushmills | generic: the line looks ok. so it might be a matter of where you use it |
| 09:51.52 | shingouz | Number9: /etc/hostname |
| 09:52.11 | generic | http://pastebin.com/m2212e8a |
| 09:52.18 | generic | see my conf file |
| 09:52.27 | Number9 | ok but thats not the good way to do it--right? |
| 09:52.46 | shingouz | Number9: no, that is a dirty hack. maybe it works, maybe not |
| 09:53.34 | Number9 | i should search for "allow hostname change" in /etc/ppp somewhere 1st ? |
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| 09:54.26 | shingouz | Number9: do not grep for it, just do a visual search on it. i do not know the exact name of the parameter but i suspect there should be one in some of the configuration files |
| 09:54.51 | Number9 | shingouz: ok |
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| 09:55.40 | Bushmills | generic: "A reverse proxy is activated using the ProxyPass directive..." |
| 09:55.52 | Bushmills | oops. sry |
| 09:55.52 | shingouz | Number9: right now i am going on a very vague memory of having encountered the same problem ages ago with another ppp connection but for the life of me, i cannot remember where and how to fix it |
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| 09:56.10 | Bushmills | thought it was saying "ProxyRequests" |
| 09:56.56 | Bushmills | generic: add ProxyRequests Off outside the <Dir> section, and move ProxyPass outside the dir section too |
| 09:58.03 | Number9 | whats the name of that #flood place where i can post something? |
| 09:58.23 | shingouz | Number9: #flood is a good one |
| 09:58.30 | Bushmills | !pastebin |
| 09:58.30 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 09:59.20 | generic | Bushmills do u have any example |
| 09:59.24 | generic | its not working |
| 10:00.08 | generic | see this http://pastebin.com/m4ab26bcc |
| 10:00.53 | Bushmills | generic: from an old config: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1209204027149524029.png |
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| 10:00.54 | Number9 | http://pastebin.ca/998257 rather looks like i should uncomment that last line--doesnt it? thats from /etc/ppp/options |
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| 10:01.46 | Bushmills | generic: here is another one: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1209204092245565395.png |
| 10:02.31 | ootput | how do i list installed packages from a particular release. eg I'm running etch, but i have unstable packages installed. How do i list those packages? |
| 10:02.36 | ootput | I've lost tracked |
| 10:02.39 | ootput | *track |
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| 10:07.08 | shingouz | Number9: lemmecheck...takes a bit |
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| 10:07.34 | rhineheart_m | Is it possible to restore debian back to its original state? I did the installation and pick up standard only |
| 10:07.41 | Number9 | shingouz: ok |
| 10:08.05 | QuietlyConfident | I've done defoptions=vga=791 in menu.lst, but the resolution doesn't change, do I need to do something else to make this work? |
| 10:08.29 | shingouz | Number9: could very well be that. i do not think it will hurt if you try |
| 10:09.16 | Number9 | shingouz: do you know if updatedb should work on a debian sid based system? i get no such command when i try it |
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| 10:09.53 | shingouz | Number9: it should afaik |
| 10:10.11 | generic | Bushmills |
| 10:10.21 | generic | how i check its working |
| 10:10.38 | generic | i am testing it on my local apache2 to redirect on another machine on my lan |
| 10:10.44 | Number9 | and when i try apt-get install updatedb it says it has no installion candidate |
| 10:10.46 | shingouz | Number9: at least i have it here on a pure sid. pretty fresh install too for that matter |
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| 10:10.54 | generic | i open my browser and type http;//localhost |
| 10:10.57 | generic | is that ok |
| 10:11.06 | x1250 | ootput: try: # aptitude search ~i -F "%t %p %V" | grep sid |
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| 10:11.27 | x1250 | or aptitude search ~i -F "%t %p %V" | grep unstable |
| 10:11.32 | shingouz | Number9: do you have locate installed? |
| 10:11.41 | Number9 | slocate i think |
| 10:11.48 | Bushmills | Number9: works. needs slocate or locate |
| 10:11.54 | ootput | x1250: is that correct sed? |
| 10:11.59 | ootput | er, search |
| 10:12.14 | x1250 | yep |
| 10:12.14 | Bushmills | or findutils |
| 10:12.34 | Number9 | Bushmills: you are speaking of updatedb? |
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| 10:12.47 | Bushmills | no, forget what i said about findutils |
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| 10:13.49 | ma3x | why sometimes when booting my wireless will connect and sometimes not (though the module ipw3945 loads and the interface wlan0 and wmaster0 is up) |
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| 10:14.28 | Number9 | ma3x: i have that ipw3945 wifi and it only works consistently with ndiswrapper |
| 10:14.40 | Bushmills | Number9: updatedb is a symlik to /etc/alternatives/updatedb, which again is a symlink to /usr/bin/updatedb.???locate |
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| 10:14.54 | Bushmills | depends on what you installed and what your set alternatives are |
| 10:14.55 | ma3x | Number9: i hate ndiswrapper and windows drivers |
| 10:15.01 | ootput | x1250: actually, that gives me some weird output |
| 10:15.07 | x1250 | is there a way to get the monitor horizontal and vertical refresh rates from the command line? |
| 10:15.12 | ma3x | but maybe ipw is a better solution |
| 10:15.13 | ootput | x1250: like, all the packages |
| 10:15.14 | Number9 | ma3x: you dont hate your wifi working--do you? |
| 10:15.27 | ma3x | Number9: you don't have problems with ndiswrapper? |
| 10:15.32 | Number9 | nope |
| 10:15.47 | ma3x | but how do you specify a network key? |
| 10:15.54 | Bushmills | Number9: there is also mlocate, giving updatedb |
| 10:15.54 | Number9 | i am a truck driver--ALWAYS on wifi--it works great for me |
| 10:15.57 | ma3x | with ipw you can use wpasupplicant |
| 10:16.01 | ma3x | what about ndiswrapper? |
| 10:16.10 | Number9 | ceni will let you do that |
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| 10:17.01 | Number9 | and i think you can specify the key manually with iwconfig as well ma3x |
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| 10:17.27 | vizzy | mplayer tells me "could not initialize video filters -vf or video output -vo", its installed via synaptic, using latest etch4r3, how to play dvds? |
| 10:17.30 | loulouloulou | hey all can I create a .local domain on bind..such as test.local |
| 10:17.41 | _ZeuZ_ | guys, users on my network are having problems to use FTPs, I´ve been told that putting the FTP connections to passive this could be solved, how can I do that through Iptables?? |
| 10:17.46 | Bushmills | generic: test by connecting. maybe use a remote open proxy. or tor. |
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| 10:17.49 | ma3x | ok Number9! |
| 10:17.50 | Number9 | iam going to try that edit i was talking about--brb hopefully |
| 10:18.26 | generic | what |
| 10:18.32 | generic | from out side |
| 10:18.37 | generic | or from anoth pc |
| 10:18.55 | Bushmills | _ZeuZ_: you don't. call ftp -p |
| 10:19.09 | Bushmills | or pftp |
| 10:19.23 | _ZeuZ_ | Bushmills, I can't. I cant go client by client to check that on. More than 250++ |
| 10:19.33 | _ZeuZ_ | And the problem is to remote FTP servers. |
| 10:20.01 | Bushmills | _ZeuZ_: then setup firewall to allow ftp server to connect back |
| 10:20.17 | Bushmills | there is an ftp module for iptables, for nat. |
| 10:20.24 | Bushmills | and you need to take care of port 20 |
| 10:20.35 | _ZeuZ_ | wouldn't it be 21? |
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| 10:20.58 | Bushmills | both 20 and 21 are used for active ftp |
| 10:21.06 | _ZeuZ_ | I'm on a DNAT and SNATed enviroment... though, all ports are DNAT && SNATed by default.. |
| 10:21.28 | Bushmills | active ftp means, the server connects back,. |
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| 10:21.46 | Bushmills | so for active ftp, your firewall must allow that. |
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| 10:21.54 | Bushmills | and at the same time, pass through to the client |
| 10:21.58 | vjoe | hey |
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| 10:22.11 | Bushmills | that's what the ftp module for iptables does |
| 10:22.36 | _ZeuZ_ | got it, gonna take care of that now and report back... thanks |
| 10:22.38 | Bushmills | still, server connection to originating gateway must be allowed too |
| 10:23.14 | Bushmills | _ZeuZ_: maybe a ftp proxy can take care of that |
| 10:23.42 | Bushmills | would be, i think, preferable over opening to active ftp |
| 10:24.08 | Bushmills | i.e. allowing clients to use active ftp with proxy, and have proxy talk passive ftp with remote |
| 10:24.46 | _ZeuZ_ | any idea of a package for that? |
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| 10:25.41 | Bushmills | frox, maybe squid, not sure about its ftp capabilities. |
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| 10:26.27 | Bushmills | yes. squid can proxy ftp |
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| 10:26.51 | Bushmills | i'd go for squid then |
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| 10:28.22 | vizzy | mplayer tells me "could not initialize video filters -vf or video output -vo", its installed via synaptic, using latest etch4r3, how to play dvds? i changed video output driver to nv/gl/gl2 etc but nothing helps. what is needed to install or configure to play a simlpe dvd in mplayer? or is there any othe ruseful dvd player? vlc could play the menu but quits on selecting any entry. |
| 10:29.17 | vizzy | the dvd drive works like a charm, booting into another linux (very old one) and play dvd just works out of the box, with mplayer and all other apps |
| 10:29.47 | Bushmills | vizzy: use a different -vo |
| 10:29.57 | Bushmills | xv or sdl may be good choices |
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| 10:30.06 | Skratz0r | How do you use the 'alias' command? I want to alias 'ls' to 'ls -G -a' |
| 10:30.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | vizzy, do you have the css stuff installed? |
| 10:30.09 | Bushmills | if those fail, try x11 |
| 10:30.12 | vizzy | Bushmills, i start mplayer, select dvd and click on 'open' , how to set -vo ? |
| 10:30.27 | vizzy | Kamping_Kaiser, css? stylesheets for mplayer? lol? |
| 10:30.29 | Bushmills | vizzy: either in mplayer config, or on command line |
| 10:30.45 | vizzy | Bushmills, as is said, i tried all -vo drivers |
| 10:30.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | decss really |
| 10:31.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | vizzy, i'm using XV on mplayer /right now/. admitedly. i'm watching stuff on hdd not dvd though |
| 10:31.15 | vizzy | " i changed video output driver to nv/gl/gl2 etc but nothing helps" |
| 10:31.37 | vizzy | i dont want to copy dvds first to the harddisc for viewing it :) |
| 10:32.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | sure :) |
| 10:32.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | !decss |
| 10:32.11 | dpkg | from memory, decss is PURE GOOD!!!, or ask me about livid, or now illegal in the US, just like rom sites (laugh), or see http://www.a-es2.uu.nl/~bas/DeCSS/decss.html. Dave Touretzky (CMU CS prof) has a gallery of descramblers at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS/Gallery/index.html Not to be confused with <libdvdcss>. |
| 10:32.16 | vizzy | watching avis from harddisk works fine, its only dvd |
| 10:32.21 | simonrvn | i've run dvds straight from the dvd, just launching mplayer from the menu |
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| 10:32.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | libdvdcss was what i was thinking of |
| 10:32.37 | simonrvn | weird that it won't play for you |
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| 10:32.42 | vizzy | simonrvn, how to get the menu with mplayer then? |
| 10:33.14 | simonrvn | the menu, you know, right click, debian > viewers (or multimedia) > mplayer |
| 10:33.18 | vizzy | funny, aptitude has so much dependencies to solve, but never mentioned a libdvd, let me have a look |
| 10:33.27 | Bushmills | vizzy: x11 should be safe |
| 10:33.29 | Bushmills | but slower |
| 10:33.36 | vizzy | simonrvn, i thought you mean DVD Menu! |
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| 10:33.54 | vizzy | Bushmills, i get no putput and the same error on selecting x11 or any other driver..... |
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| 10:34.01 | simonrvn | vizzy: libdvdcss isn't installable from debian |
| 10:34.01 | vizzy | i did mention that :) |
| 10:34.18 | vizzy | :O |
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| 10:34.35 | vizzy | so i need to compile my own mplayer or how should i understand this ? |
| 10:34.37 | simonrvn | !debian-multimedia |
| 10:34.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 10:34.42 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 10:34.52 | Bushmills | vizzy: try to view a movie as file from hard disk, to make sure that -vo is the problem in first place |
| 10:35.07 | simonrvn | bets it's the video too |
| 10:35.17 | vizzy | bushmills, i also mentioned this, playing avis or other films from harddisk works! |
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| 10:35.49 | Number9 | now this is even wierder--i changed the permissions for /etc/hostname to where no one could write to it--rebooted--which kills the phone connection--i reboot--and without logging back into the mobile phone network--it connects automatically and my hostname is ok |
| 10:36.01 | vizzy | vizzy watching avis from harddisk works fine, its only dvd |
| 10:36.33 | Bushmills | ah |
| 10:36.40 | Bushmills | crap. i'm out of mushrooms |
| 10:36.46 | vizzy | hehehe |
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| 10:37.02 | Number9 | no longer any fungus among us |
| 10:37.07 | exo2k | hello |
| 10:37.16 | exo2k | anyone here play eve online? |
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| 10:37.34 | vizzy | playing games is like wasting time/live :) |
| 10:37.34 | Bushmills | vizzy: sorry, didn't see that |
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| 10:38.31 | exo2k | vizzy good for you lol |
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| 10:38.59 | vizzy | before playing a game i write my own :) and let others play |
| 10:39.27 | Number9 | no--i was wrong--the hostname WAS changed--but klauncher worked and i didnt have to sign back into the mobile network--it was just up--which it never is after a reboot |
| 10:39.29 | vizzy | want a game? :) |
| 10:39.57 | exo2k | vizzy you can help me write oen Lol |
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| 10:40.01 | exo2k | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:40.50 | Bushmills | vizzy: you may be missing some css decryption stuff to play dvds |
| 10:40.58 | Nurulwai | Using kernel 2.6.22, my primary disk was called /dev/hda. Using 2.6.24, it's /dev/hde. How do I correct that? |
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| 10:41.12 | Bushmills | libdvdcss2 possibly |
| 10:41.38 | Number9 | i have to try this again |
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| 10:42.42 | liable | Nurulwai: look in /etc/udev/ |
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| 10:44.32 | vizzy | Bushmills, thx a lot, i will dig for the libs and debian multimedia thingy :) |
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| 10:45.27 | liable | yay, opening a .c file in iceweasel makes it go into a tab opening frenzy |
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| 10:46.56 | scriptdevil | :D Am in sid now. And things seem fine. At least at the moment |
| 10:47.14 | _ZeuZ_ | Bushmills, just modproved ip_nat_ftp and now all clients automagically work ^^ |
| 10:47.43 | Nurulwai | liable: I cant see anything specific in there for renaming hda to hde. Something else I should be looking for? |
| 10:48.03 | Bushmills | _ZeuZ_: great |
| 10:48.19 | liable | Nurulwai: in the rules.d dir, check in there |
| 10:48.32 | _ZeuZ_ | What makes me thing is that I did not had to apply any further policy nor nothing like that... |
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| 10:50.01 | Bushmills | sorry, weak terrain for me - i try to avoid ftp where possible. |
| 10:50.32 | Nurulwai | liable: nadda. I assume I could abuse this to force it back to hda though. |
| 10:50.56 | liable | Nurulwai: i would have thought it would be in there somewhere |
| 10:51.35 | Nurulwai | It's almost as if it suddenly thinks I have two controllers, going from a to e like that. Grub is still quite happy with (0,0) though so I'm not sure. |
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| 10:56.15 | rcbarnes | Is there something like `watch' that supports color? Not having color is limiting for several things I like to watch, and `while sleep 1; do foo; clear; done' is a flicker-y hack. :-/ |
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| 10:57.12 | vizzy | exo2k, get blender (from www.blender.org, please do not use the deb package) and do a game tutorial, you could create a simple 3d game in about 1hour :) |
| 10:57.45 | exo2k | vizzy really? |
| 10:57.56 | vizzy | yes! |
| 10:58.03 | vizzy | exo2k, want an example? |
| 10:58.15 | exo2k | sure |
| 10:58.19 | vizzy | ok, you need some practice in using blender, modelling etc, but its very very easy to learn! |
| 10:58.25 | vizzy | blender is so neat :) |
| 10:58.34 | vizzy | wait, ill give you a link. |
| 10:59.17 | vizzy | Bushmills, THX THX² THX³ !!! i added the multimedia repository, installed some stuff like libcss2 or so, and now mplayer plays dvds very fine! |
| 10:59.29 | vizzy | gives some special mushrooms to Bushmills |
| 10:59.36 | Bushmills | good to hear that |
| 10:59.50 | exo2k | lol |
| 11:00.11 | vizzy | exo2k, here is a blender 3d game i made a few months/years ago http://www.vizzy.de/index.php?1=1&i=ladybug&l=de |
| 11:00.22 | vizzy | "flying a ladybug" :) |
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| 11:01.01 | exo2k | o-o |
| 11:01.06 | Ant54 | is there a way to get debian to still ask for a password when someone enters a non existant user? |
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| 11:01.24 | vizzy | Ant54, no because its an illegal unknown user :) |
| 11:01.25 | Bushmills | Ant54: it should do so by default |
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| 11:01.41 | vizzy | :O |
| 11:01.44 | Ant54 | vizzy, it should |
| 11:01.56 | Ant54 | it helps protect against brute force attacks |
| 11:01.59 | exo2k | vizzy looks pretty cool o-O |
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| 11:02.15 | vizzy | sorry, i was remebering my ssh logs :) yes it should ask for a pw, if the user is known or not |
| 11:02.25 | ootput | is mpc on lenny failing to connect to mpd for anyone else? |
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| 11:03.10 | vizzy | exo2k, with some practice, you could create such a game in a week or so, its not hard. just drag and drop the gamelogic etc :) if youre a crack, you could also code python or more complex things |
| 11:03.20 | rage | Ant54: On SSh or a tty? |
| 11:03.32 | rage | over SSH is should behave like that by default |
| 11:03.48 | vizzy | exo2k, blender wiki is a good starting point containing a lot of tutorials, or ask in #blender, or #blender.de etc |
| 11:03.57 | exo2k | cool |
| 11:04.13 | vizzy | i'm on blender.de if you need some help :) youre welcome |
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| 11:04.30 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 11:04.36 | vizzy | hello you |
| 11:04.44 | Haris1 | Is there a guide on how to add scsi drives to the scsi controller? |
| 11:04.57 | Haris1 | I have 2 already, and I got 2 more |
| 11:04.58 | vizzy | Haris1, you mean general scsi information? |
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| 11:05.05 | Haris1 | vizzy: yes |
| 11:05.26 | Haris1 | I have SCSI 7899 adapter |
| 11:05.28 | vizzy | you need a cable with 4 connectors +2, so you need 6, 1 controler, 4 disks, 1 terminator |
| 11:05.34 | Haris1 | I have Adaptec 7899 adapter |
| 11:05.34 | vizzy | each disk should have a unique id |
| 11:05.48 | vizzy | what scsi is it? u2/u3? u320/u160? |
| 11:05.54 | Haris1 | I have 1 cable, 4 connectors, 1 terminator |
| 11:06.06 | Haris1 | u160 |
| 11:06.15 | vizzy | great, so just set the jumpers to corresponding ids, like 0 1 2 3 and connect the drives |
| 11:06.41 | Bushmills | Haris1: there is SCAM to autoconfig but i'd avoid using that, and assign SCSI ids per device (usually 3 jumpers at the rear) |
| 11:06.59 | Bushmills | Haris1: don't use id 7 as that's usually used for the controller |
| 11:07.02 | Haris1 | set jumpers to corresponding IDs? I only show 2 in the setup |
| 11:07.10 | Bushmills | Haris1: very few controllers use id0 default. |
| 11:07.15 | Ant54 | what's the thingie called that gives devices a standard name regardless of what they end up being called? |
| 11:07.29 | Haris1 | Bushmills: I want to manually config =) |
| 11:07.31 | Ant54 | you give it perhaps a serial number |
| 11:07.32 | vizzy | or if you have intercahngeable disk cases, i dont know how its calle in en, you could set up the case and attach a jumperblock to the hdd |
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| 11:07.58 | vizzy | Bushmills, by default, all adaptec controlers are on id7 |
| 11:07.59 | Bushmills | Haris1: ah, termination is important |
| 11:08.21 | Bushmills | both devices at the ends of the bus need termination |
| 11:08.27 | vizzy | very important! and you need a correct cable. set up adaptec bios to auto-termination |
| 11:08.32 | Bushmills | and, only those |
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| 11:09.10 | Haris1 | When I go into the scsi device setup (2nd screen after POST on bootup), I see only 2 channels there. How do I set the new IDs? |
| 11:09.15 | Haris1 | IDs for the new drives? |
| 11:09.24 | vizzy | btw, i found a dual p3 with 1ghz and u160 is 2 times faster starting up than a 3ghz p4 using ide drives :) |
| 11:09.35 | Bushmills | Haris1: you set it on the device |
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| 11:09.36 | vizzy | Haris1, CTRL+a for adaptec controlers |
| 11:09.38 | Bushmills | not in the bios |
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| 11:10.07 | vizzy | in the bios you can see what id the controler has, do a disk detection, and things like low level format (be careful!) |
| 11:10.23 | vizzy | set up booting from cd, i13h etc |
| 11:10.49 | Bushmills | and make sure you have enabled disconnect/reconnect |
| 11:11.07 | Haris1 | enabled disconnect/reconnect? |
| 11:11.10 | Bushmills | or your performance will plummet to IDE level |
| 11:11.12 | Haris1 | I am in Ctrl+A on the box |
| 11:11.24 | vizzy | but you could set up the id on the drive, simply add some jumpers... there should be pins marked as ID 0/1/2 |
| 11:11.36 | Haris1 | vizzy: Where? |
| 11:11.39 | vizzy | for drive 0 add NO Jumper |
| 11:11.48 | vizzy | Haris1, on the harddisk |
| 11:11.50 | Haris1 | I have no jumpers on the first 2 |
| 11:11.57 | vizzy | on the rear or sometimes at the bottom |
| 11:11.58 | Bushmills | rear, next to the connector |
| 11:12.19 | vizzy | for drive 1 add a jumper at pin 0, for ID1, Bit 0 is set |
| 11:12.20 | Bushmills | sometimes, rarely now, on the PCB |
| 11:12.48 | vizzy | for drive 2, add jkumper on pin "2" |
| 11:13.00 | vizzy | for 3, add jumper at 1 and 2, etc |
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| 11:13.37 | vizzy | Haris1, but driving scsi is only useful if the drive is big enough, because its very loud! louder than ide |
| 11:14.04 | Bushmills | scsi is great when having multiple devices. |
| 11:14.08 | vizzy | a 9GB scsi drive isnt worth using it unless you really need it for editiing videos or so |
| 11:14.12 | Bushmills | never mind the size per device |
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| 11:14.18 | vizzy | Bushmills, full ack, i only uise scsi :) |
| 11:14.49 | vizzy | but my good old 36gb drive is getting very loud over the years |
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| 11:15.30 | Bushmills | there was a time, about 8..10 years back, when prices of scsi drives were on par with ide drives. |
| 11:15.32 | vizzy | and having a lot of 9gb scsi drive is imho only for wasting power :) |
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| 11:15.36 | Bushmills | some brands even cheaper |
| 11:15.47 | vizzy | yepp, good old scsi, very rare today |
| 11:15.50 | Bushmills | that was about the 10 gb size time |
| 11:16.23 | vizzy | you pay the same or more for a 36GB scsi as for a 400gb ide/sata :( |
| 11:17.19 | Bushmills | my first scsi drive was about 2000$. 760 mb, lol |
| 11:17.24 | vizzy | scsi for the system, ide for backups, if you can put the computer away in a room or box, so that you cant hear the sound of the disk |
| 11:17.38 | Bushmills | built like a tank |
| 11:17.49 | k-man | hmm... is there a fix for the nvidia drivers with 2.6.25? |
| 11:18.07 | vizzy | Bushmills, haha, yes, i was working in a company in the 90s and sold a 700MB drive to a friend, 51/4" fullsize, some years later we used it as an ashtray |
| 11:18.09 | Bushmills | micropolis |
| 11:18.11 | xand | k-man: the beta ones or yes there is a patch |
| 11:18.13 | icesword | which filesystem is best one to use |
| 11:18.23 | vizzy | XFS! |
| 11:18.28 | Bushmills | icesword: what are your requirements? |
| 11:18.30 | vizzy | i believe in XFS |
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| 11:18.38 | k-man | xand, can you point me in the right direction please? |
| 11:18.59 | icesword | Bushmills, fast, no data loss |
| 11:19.01 | vizzy | (memo: with xfs on /boot in debian you cant use grub and have to use lilo) |
| 11:19.20 | Bushmills | icesword: i'd say it'd be one of ext3, xfs, jfs. for no loss if power not steady, avoid xfs |
| 11:19.21 | vizzy | xfs is rockstable, i use it since it was published by silly |
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| 11:19.38 | Bushmills | xfs journals only meta data. |
| 11:19.43 | vizzy | Bushmills, why avoid? |
| 11:19.52 | Bushmills | and aggressively caches the rest in RAM |
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| 11:20.26 | icesword | some one says ext3 is slower than xfs? |
| 11:20.28 | Bushmills | vizzy: because jfs and ext3 also journal file data, which is preferable in case of power outage |
| 11:20.38 | vizzy | i never had problems with that, i use it on my server for 7 years now! and it preserves me a lot of truble i had with ext3 and ext2, not mention reiserfs |
| 11:20.43 | icesword | then what about reiserfs |
| 11:20.45 | Bushmills | icesword: yes. because xfs uses more ram for caching, |
| 11:20.49 | Bushmills | avoid resier |
| 11:20.51 | Bushmills | reiser |
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| 11:20.58 | DexterF | hi |
| 11:21.07 | vizzy | reiser is old and bad, too many problems and unfixed issues |
| 11:21.10 | xand | k-man: beta ones here http://www.nvidia.com/Download/Find.aspx?lang=en-us , I haven't tried the patch but google for "2.6.25 nvidia patch" |
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| 11:21.35 | icesword | hmm, nice, thank you, all, maybe xfs is for me |
| 11:21.47 | Bushmills | i'd say, ext3 is between xfs and jfs in both robustness and speed. |
| 11:21.48 | exo2k | vizzy: i pmed u |
| 11:21.59 | Bushmills | xfs is fastest, jfs is most robust. |
| 11:22.24 | vizzy | exo2k, didnt get a query herE? or you mean by mail? |
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| 11:22.45 | DexterF | raid question. etch with 2.6.22 from backports, I wanted to create partitions on a raid5. cfdisk lets me, but they don't show up in /proc/partitions or /dev and I can't mkfs on lets say /dev/md1p1 simply because it ain't there. how come? |
| 11:23.01 | exo2k | in here |
| 11:23.02 | exo2k | -.- |
| 11:23.16 | vizzy | DexterF, hardware raid? |
| 11:23.29 | vizzy | hardware raids are shown as a normal device, like /dev/sda or so |
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| 11:27.17 | mypapit | :( |
| 11:28.26 | DexterF | vizzy: software |
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| 11:29.07 | vizzy | ah ok, sorry, i never used softraids so much |
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| 11:34.14 | exo2k | is there a new build of eterm |
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| 11:35.29 | Bushmills | exo2k: 0.9.4.0debian1-2.1. is that new? |
| 11:35.40 | exo2k | nm |
| 11:35.41 | exo2k | lol |
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| 11:40.00 | FordCortina | are console keymap file and xkeymap files compatible? |
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| 11:41.47 | exo2k | lol |
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| 11:46.21 | m_dige | Hi guys. Would anyone recommend using the nvidia-kernel source in SID ? I'm running testing and don't know whether to use the stable driver or the one available in sid. Any recommendations ? |
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| 11:51.18 | blubberdiblub | i have debian etch on a vserver. recently intalling/removing/upgrading packages gives strange error messages (non-fatal) which alarm me. here are three example runs of aptitude: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/44076/ . the problem seems unrelated to the scripts in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ tho (despite the error message citing them), since removing one of the packages that provides them makes the error msg "jump" to another one of |
| 11:51.18 | blubberdiblub | the scripts |
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| 11:52.42 | vizzy | exo2k, sry, didnt get a mail or pm, poke me on #blender.de |
| 11:52.49 | blubberdiblub | does someone have an idea what goes haywire there? |
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| 11:55.08 | Bushmills | m_dige: are you asking for sid or for testing? |
| 11:55.38 | Bushmills | ah. right. clear now |
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| 11:56.49 | prhlava | Is there a way to force debian package to fully installed state (I know it is and it works), I have a state half-configured on openafs-client 1.4.2-6etch1 and do not know how to resolve this... |
| 11:56.58 | Bushmills | sid comes with 96.43.05-drivers atm i think. those aren't perfect |
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| 11:57.07 | m_dige | Bushmills: I am using testing for all other packages except linux-source and linux-headers where I am using sid. But there any no nvidia-kernel-source in testing. So should I perhaps use the one available in sid ? |
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| 11:57.52 | Bushmills | probably depends on the device. i need legacy, and rendering is incomplete. |
| 11:58.17 | m_dige | Bushmills: okay. Mine is a Geforce 7600 GS |
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| 11:58.43 | m_dige | Bushmills: Think I'll just try the sid driver and see how it goes:) |
| 11:58.44 | Bushmills | NV18 here. [GeForce4 MX |
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| 11:59.18 | m_dige | Bushmills: The available version of nvidia-kernel-source is 169.something |
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| 12:00.29 | hjb | Hi. There used to be a file in /proc or /sys which contained the parameters passed to the kernel at boottime |
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| 12:00.50 | vizzy | for me, i didnt get nvidia running with the debian way, i had to install kernel source, copy conf and run make once, dont install, load the nvidia properitary driver and compile the modules. in debian runlevel 3 has gdm enabled, so stop it first |
| 12:00.56 | vizzy | *only a memo |
| 12:01.05 | hjb | Now i can't find it anymore. I sadly don't remember the exact name. Anyone knows? |
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| 12:01.34 | Bushmills | rendering is one of these three: ok, partly ok, not ok at all. depends on app. some just go black. some don't show all. these make about 50%. the other 50% are ok. |
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| 12:02.22 | jelly-home | hjb: /proc/cmdline |
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| 12:05.28 | hjb | jelly-home That it! Thanks :-) |
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| 12:06.36 | Shai | Hey all. I really screwed up my debian box. I was going to install hotplug on the system and during the install it prompted me to replace my kernel. Well, I thought it was say NO don't do it but it was saying YES abort. So now, my kernels have been deleted. There is nothing in /boot cept the grub directory. How can I get a kernel back on my system? |
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| 12:06.40 | FordCortina | how do i get a list of linux console keysyms? |
| 12:06.50 | g0th_ | hi |
| 12:07.02 | g0th_ | when I run make-kpkg binary-arch in linux-2.6.24 I get: |
| 12:07.06 | g0th_ | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/64506/ |
| 12:07.08 | Bushmills | Shai: boot into a live cd, chroot and apt-get |
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| 12:07.58 | cahoot | FordCortina: like /etc/console/boottime.keymap? |
| 12:08.10 | Shai | Bushmills, wouldn't that install the kernel to the ramfs of the live cd though? |
| 12:08.14 | Bushmills | Shai: also a floppy based system will do. like tomsrtbt |
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| 12:08.23 | Bushmills | shai, not after chroot |
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| 12:08.45 | Bushmills | you'd mount boot too if its a seperate partition |
| 12:08.49 | cahoot | FordCortina: err kmap |
| 12:09.00 | FordCortina | cahoot: not the keymap |
| 12:09.00 | Bushmills | otherwise, just chroot to the mountpoint of root |
| 12:09.10 | FordCortina | but a list of valid keysyms |
| 12:09.34 | Shai | Bushmills, I'll give it a try. Any particular live cd you could suggest? |
| 12:09.44 | Bushmills | shai, do you have a floppy drive? |
| 12:09.56 | FordCortina | im trying to convert my xkeymap (which is perfect) to a console keymap |
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| 12:10.04 | Shai | Bushmills nope |
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| 12:10.23 | Bushmills | shai, just any live cd. small is beautiful |
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| 12:11.26 | g0th_ | so does anyone in here know how to run make-kpkg? |
| 12:11.37 | g0th_ | the normal "make" command works |
| 12:11.50 | g0th_ | but if I do make-kpkg it somehow tries to build xen stuff and fails |
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| 12:12.05 | Bushmills | g0th_: for a new kernel? |
| 12:12.10 | infinity0 | how do i set my PATH variable automatically in gnome-terminal? |
| 12:12.37 | Bushmills | g0th_: try this: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1209211933958959127.png |
| 12:12.57 | m_dige | infinity0: I surpose you can use your .bashrc |
| 12:13.06 | infinity0 | oh, ok |
| 12:13.14 | infinity0 | why doesn't .bash_profile work? |
| 12:13.20 | m_dige | export PATH= |
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| 12:14.07 | m_dige | infinity0: export PATH=$PATH:your_new_path_you_need |
| 12:14.12 | infinity0 | yah |
| 12:15.23 | Blast_Hardcheese | Bushmills: How do you take a snapshot of just one window like that? |
| 12:15.43 | FordCortina | why is it that sed /foo/bar/g myfile > myfile gives me an empty file? |
| 12:15.44 | FordCortina | but |
| 12:15.50 | Shai | burning a livecd now |
| 12:15.51 | Shai | woot |
| 12:16.06 | Bushmills | Blast_Hardcheese: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1209212156321830434.png |
| 12:16.08 | g0th_ | Bushmills: already make-kpkg fails with the same message |
| 12:16.11 | FordCortina | sed s/foo/bar/g myfile > anotherfile does not? |
| 12:16.18 | g0th_ | make-kpkg clean |
| 12:16.19 | g0th_ | I mean |
| 12:16.23 | Blast_Hardcheese | FordCortina: Try sed s/foo/bar/g myfile > myfile.sed |
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| 12:16.39 | Shai | burn complete |
| 12:16.41 | Bushmills | g0th_: kernel sources installed? configured? |
| 12:16.57 | g0th_ | yes |
| 12:17.00 | FordCortina | Blast_Hardcheese: why the difference? |
| 12:17.06 | g0th_ | I copied the .config from my 2.6.22 kernel |
| 12:17.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | FordCortina: If I am to understand the process correctly, sed attempts to read the file after > clobbers it |
| 12:17.17 | g0th_ | then did make menuconfig and saved the configuration |
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| 12:17.24 | Shai | booting |
| 12:17.31 | FordCortina | Blast_Hardcheese: ic |
| 12:18.07 | netcrash | What's the name of that application to verify the network security it does reports , not nmap , I can't remember the name ... |
| 12:18.27 | netcrash | it has a client server aproach for execution |
| 12:18.36 | netcrash | starts with "n" |
| 12:18.38 | Bushmills | nessus? |
| 12:18.40 | netcrash | YES |
| 12:18.41 | netcrash | :D |
| 12:18.43 | netcrash | thank you |
| 12:18.47 | Bushmills | yw |
| 12:19.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | What's a good wireless scanning utility for 2.4 that supports Orinoco cards? |
| 12:19.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've got Damn Small Linux, but kismet only finds networks that I am currently connected to |
| 12:20.16 | Blast_Hardcheese | and even though that's pretty cool, to be able to have some kind of running log of packets from the network I'm on, it's not really useful in the long run |
| 12:20.20 | cahoot | iwlist -scan? |
| 12:20.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | hmm |
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| 12:21.17 | Lagbolt | yeah iwlist wlan0 scan |
| 12:21.30 | g0th_ | hmm again. When I'm in my linux-2.6.24 directory all the usual kernel commands work (make clean, make, make modules, etc) but all make-kpkg commands fail |
| 12:21.34 | cahoot | right skip the dash |
| 12:21.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | Neat |
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| 12:22.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | Alright, another question, Where might one find the 'dns-sd' tool? |
| 12:23.10 | Bushmills | libgnomevfs2-0 probably |
| 12:23.17 | Bushmills | a lib |
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| 12:23.54 | hjb | should i use grub or grub2? |
| 12:24.10 | rcbarnes | Is there something like `watch' that supports color? Not having color is limiting for several things I like to watch, and `while sleep 1; do foo; clear; done' is a flicker-y hack. :-/ |
| 12:24.12 | Bushmills | hjb: whatever boots your box |
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| 12:24.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | Wait, apparently the mdnsresponder package would provide it, but that package does not exist. |
| 12:25.23 | hjb | Bushmills Erm, i'm try to migrate from Lilo to grub and was wondering which way to go |
| 12:25.56 | Bushmills | hjb: what are your requirements? |
| 12:26.06 | Bushmills | other than "boots machine" |
| 12:26.13 | hjb | Bushmills Nothing special, it's a plain x86 machine |
| 12:26.27 | hjb | Bushmills i just like to get rid of my lilo installation |
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| 12:26.51 | Bushmills | grub2 is a bit prettier. |
| 12:27.08 | Bushmills | but grub simpler |
| 12:27.17 | Bushmills | fewer files, i mean |
| 12:27.55 | hjb | Bushmills But both work equally well? Or is one more stable than the other? |
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| 12:27.59 | Bushmills | why not keep lilo? |
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| 12:28.37 | Bushmills | stable? they're not running all the time. they do their job during system start, and that's it. |
| 12:28.46 | Bushmills | not exactly a frequently used app |
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| 12:29.15 | Bushmills | i'd not bother to swap. just run whatever boots. |
| 12:29.18 | Shai | Bushmills apt does not seem to recognize the disc as a repository, nor does it seem to recognize the installation cd of debian that is in my sources.list. apt-cdrom add fails to recognize either disc as a repository. |
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| 12:29.49 | Bushmills | shai, did you chroot? |
| 12:30.04 | Bushmills | after mounting your drive? |
| 12:30.12 | Shai | I did. I mounted /dev/hda1 /target. chroot /target |
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| 12:30.36 | Bushmills | do you have net? |
| 12:30.38 | hjb | Bushmills Ok, then i'll justtest both and take what i like |
| 12:31.15 | Shai | no. and this laptop doesn't not have a ether nic only wireless and iwconfig is not installed. |
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| 12:32.18 | Shai | wait a sec, let me try something. I think I have a pcmcia ethernic in my laptop bag, never use it, maybe the system will recognize it, but only if my luck changes |
| 12:32.30 | Bushmills | shai, what do you use to (try to) install from cd? |
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| 12:34.16 | ootput | i've got / on a raid 0 array. During shutdown, the very last lines of output suggest that unounting of / was impossible because the raid array was still active. |
| 12:34.35 | ootput | it resets fine, but i would like to avoid that output |
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| 12:34.45 | vaenilicious | how to reconfigure x ? |
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| 12:34.56 | Bushmills | vaenilicious: vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:35.31 | vaenilicious | no, it's another way |
| 12:35.43 | Shai | Bushmills - sudo apt-get update, get bunch of errors about it not finding stuff, then for the hell of it sudo apt-get install linux-image<version> |
| 12:35.44 | DexterF | anyone around who has partitions on a software raid? |
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| 12:36.32 | Bushmills | apt does network install. |
| 12:37.16 | ootput | DexterF: i do |
| 12:37.17 | Bushmills | try dselect, top item is "Access", can set cdrom or apt or whatever there |
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| 12:37.52 | DexterF | ootput: no lvm? directly on array? I'm asking cause I want to set up a raid5 like thsi and have a dickens of a time trying |
| 12:38.06 | ootput | DexterF: no lvm |
| 12:38.27 | vaenilicious | how do i configure the X te |
| 12:38.29 | DexterF | ootput: so how did you create it? what kernel? what mdadm version? what did you name the devices like? |
| 12:38.29 | vaenilicious | then* |
| 12:38.34 | ootput | DexterF: jmicron chipset (sata controller) with linux software raid. I used the debian amd64 install media |
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| 12:38.48 | ootput | DexterF: installation gui |
| 12:38.57 | ootput | expertgui |
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| 12:41.11 | DexterF | ootput: hm. could you do me a favor and lookup what your md partitions are called? should be in /proc/partitions |
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| 12:41.23 | ootput | md1,2 |
| 12:41.37 | ootput | sorry, that's md0 and md1 |
| 12:41.45 | ootput | I recently removed 1 |
| 12:42.05 | fiendishfish | How do I bridge my network card in Linux, so it can be used in my GUEST os. |
| 12:42.18 | DexterF | uh.. you said you partitioned the array. that should be something like md0p1 or md/d1p1 or so |
| 12:42.53 | Shai | Bushmills - selecting access results in it not being able to find the distro directory and asking me for it's location. I personally, am not that intimate with the cd. |
| 12:43.13 | ootput | DexterF: ah crap. I misread your original question. sorry for leading you on XD |
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| 12:43.29 | sandman | Okay, someone, and I think that person is going to be me, needs to setup and maintain a marketcetera package. |
| 12:43.32 | sandman | Like, immediately. =) |
| 12:43.55 | DexterF | ootput: :P |
| 12:44.04 | sandman | You guys must check this out: http://trac.marketcetera.org/ |
| 12:44.08 | ootput | fiendishfish: there should be linux howtos on that sort of thing. Which virtualisation software are you using? |
| 12:44.21 | sandman | Never even heard of it before. |
| 12:44.21 | ootput | (though mostly outdated) |
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| 12:45.54 | Bushmills | Shai: chances are that your /dev directory is not populated. try, before chroot, to mount -bind it to the chroot dev dir |
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| 12:47.22 | g0th | hi, how do I create my own kernel image debian package? |
| 12:47.29 | g0th | I tried to do make-kpkg binary-arch but I get: |
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| 12:47.58 | g0th | http://rafb.net/p/GACvW720.html |
| 12:48.08 | g0th | I tried to do make-kpkg binary-arch but I get: http://rafb.net/p/GACvW720.html |
| 12:48.18 | chaosite | does the netboot environment give me enough tools to dhcp a second interface (one that is connected to the internet)? |
| 12:49.03 | Bushmills | Shai: you can exit the chroot btw, with exit or ctrl-d |
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| 12:50.07 | g0th | so why does make-kpkg try to build xen??? |
| 12:50.12 | g0th | the normal make command works |
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| 12:51.14 | Bushmills | g0th: do you have a symlink /usr/src/linux -> your kernel source? |
| 12:51.22 | g0th | Bushmills: yes |
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| 12:51.45 | stew | you shouldn't have that symlink |
| 12:52.18 | g0th | stew: hmm why not? |
| 12:52.24 | fiendishfish | Is bridging supported in the kernel config for debian? |
| 12:52.28 | stew | g0th: for the reasons stated in /usr/src/linux/README |
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| 12:52.45 | stew | fiendishfish: yes |
| 12:53.04 | fiendishfish | How do I configure it, with brctl? |
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| 12:53.18 | infinity0 | what's the difference between clear and clear_console |
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| 12:53.35 | stew | fiendishfish: look at /usr/share/doc/bridge-util/README.Debian |
| 12:53.43 | Shai | Bushmills - I rebooted, connected my usb cd drive, mounted it with the full install cd, could see the dir structures. ran apt-cdrom add and the system wouldn't recognize it, ran several other apt-cdrom with various options, still can't find it. |
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| 12:54.13 | Shai | Bushmills - so how about I just dpkg -l <linux-image-version> and tell apt to F off |
| 12:54.22 | fiendishfish | stew, I don't have that :< |
| 12:54.23 | Shai | or dpkg -i I mean |
| 12:54.34 | AssociateX | boy I sure messed something up and I can not figure it out. My command prompt looks like this though "me@192:~$" |
| 12:54.53 | AssociateX | and kde will not start |
| 12:55.02 | stew | fiendishfish: zless /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz |
| 12:55.07 | Bushmills | Shai: sure, dpkg -i is an option too. whatever rocks your boat. |
| 12:55.09 | Shai | Bushmills - I've found the kernel packages on the cdrom so I would think I should be able to install them this way |
| 12:55.15 | g0th | stew: but then I don't have a /usr/src/linux directory at all and a lot will fail? |
| 12:55.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | chuckles at AssociateX |
| 12:55.32 | Bushmills | Shai: but again, you want to -i it from chroot |
| 12:55.43 | fiendishfish | stew, I don't even have the dir |
| 12:55.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | AssociateX, `cat /etc/hosts` and `cat /etc/hostname` - i expect you've messed them up |
| 12:56.04 | stew | g0th: what would? anything that would fail should be fixed to look at /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/source or /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build ; anything packaged by debian would know to look there already |
| 12:56.22 | stew | fiendishfish: oh, then you probably don't have brctl either, you'd need to install the bridge-utils package |
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| 12:57.14 | g0th | stew: some stuff I compiled required the directory |
| 12:57.18 | g0th | anyway |
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| 12:57.33 | g0th | I tried it with the link removed and make-kpkg still fails |
| 12:57.48 | AssociateX | Kamping_Kaiser: probably, both are blank |
| 12:58.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | AssociateX, wtf have you done |
| 12:58.05 | AssociateX | looks like I need some new ones |
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| 12:58.49 | AssociateX | Kamping_Kaiser: I came home and my kids said "Hey Dad, the computers not working" |
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| 12:59.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | AssociateX, `history |less` and see if anythings happened there. |
| 12:59.35 | Bushmills | 192 looks suspiciously like the first octet of a 192.168.x.x ip address, instead of a hostname |
| 12:59.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | and move up the debug change |
| 12:59.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Bushmills, yeah |
| 12:59.46 | g0th | ouff, I had about 5 unanswered question that probably have a simple answer, instead I have to fix everything myself which takes a long time .( |
| 13:00.02 | AssociateX | Kamping_Kaiser: this is my third day with Debain, where could I get new ones |
| 13:00.05 | Bushmills | AssociateX: what does "hostname" show? |
| 13:00.18 | AssociateX | Bushmills: that what I though also |
| 13:00.22 | AssociateX | hold on |
| 13:00.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | night all |
| 13:00.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | AssociateX, ask someone here nicely they might show you theris :) |
| 13:00.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | anyhow. night |
| 13:00.40 | Shai | well it installed with errors. And the system won't boot without a kernel panic....I'm screwed. |
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| 13:00.57 | AssociateX | thanks Kamping_Kaiser |
| 13:01.03 | Bushmills | Shai: can't be such a problem. |
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| 13:01.06 | AssociateX | Bushmills: me@192:~$ hostname |
| 13:01.06 | AssociateX | 192.168.1.1 Athlon |
| 13:01.18 | AssociateX | I wonder where that info is set at |
| 13:01.20 | Bushmills | AssociateX: echo $PS1 |
| 13:01.43 | Shai | Bushmills - what do you mean "can't" of course there can because their is. |
| 13:01.48 | Bushmills | that info is on /etc/hostname |
| 13:01.54 | AssociateX | Bushmills: ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ |
| 13:02.00 | g0th | I removed xen from the kernel and now make-kpkg only gives this error message: http://rafb.net/p/Y7u6ZB53.html |
| 13:02.12 | Bushmills | Shai: what errors? |
| 13:02.14 | heroxbd | Hello. I am using pulseaudio's esound module, with the log "protocol-esound.c: kicked client with invalid authorization key." how can I authorize myself with it? |
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| 13:02.41 | Bushmills | AssociateX: what was the hostname before? |
| 13:02.52 | Shai | Bushmills - I don't really know cept I caught that it installed it but didn't configure it. |
| 13:03.22 | Bushmills | shai, sorry, i'd have to guess with that description. |
| 13:03.46 | sandman | How stable is Xen under Debian Etch? |
| 13:03.46 | AssociateX | Bushmills: this install is on it's thirday, the only things its been name was 192.168.1.1 Athlon |
| 13:03.59 | g0th | I remove xen from the kernel now |
| 13:04.04 | Bushmills | AssociateX: ok. see whether X starts without display manager: |
| 13:04.09 | Bushmills | as user, run startx |
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| 13:04.40 | _ZeuZ_ | from the server I can connect to a remote host on port 1433, but from my inner network I can´t... what can be going wrong? |
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| 13:05.13 | AssociateX | Bushmills: yeah, I'm using twm right now |
| 13:05.26 | Bushmills | does that mean "X started"? |
| 13:05.52 | AssociateX | Bushmills: yes |
| 13:05.58 | Shai | I need more coffee |
| 13:06.06 | Bushmills | AssociateX: ok. check the display manager: exit X again , |
| 13:06.13 | AssociateX | twm is the de that comes with X |
| 13:06.21 | AssociateX | ok, brb |
| 13:07.29 | Bushmills | hmm.. maybe there is no display manager, and the kids just exited from the wm, lol |
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| 13:07.43 | AssociateX | Hello |
| 13:07.49 | heroxbd | The documents says that I need a esd_auth from another user, but I am the only user of the computer |
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| 13:08.01 | Bushmills | AssociateX: do you have a display manager installed at all? |
| 13:08.07 | Bushmills | (i.e. graphical login)? |
| 13:08.28 | AssociateX | Bushmills: yes, kde, but it wont start now |
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| 13:08.53 | Bushmills | AssociateX: exit X, and as root, try: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 13:09.02 | abrotman | heroxbd: i don't use pulseaudio .. maybe you need to be in a certain group ? |
| 13:09.03 | AssociateX | Bushmills: kdm work ok, but kde wont start, twm will |
| 13:09.24 | Bushmills | change session in the pulldown in kdm |
| 13:09.38 | AssociateX | to what? |
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| 13:09.42 | Bushmills | to kde |
| 13:09.54 | AssociateX | I tried and it dies with an error |
| 13:10.30 | Bushmills | mv /home/username/.kde /home/username/,kde_defect |
| 13:10.33 | Bushmills | and retry |
| 13:10.46 | heroxbd | abrotman, I am already in the group and I can output to pulseaudio socket. The problem is in the esd-only programs, the log says that I do not have permission to access the esd socket. |
| 13:10.47 | Bushmills | may be .kde3 |
| 13:11.00 | Bushmills | not sure how kde calls its user dir nowadays |
| 13:11.28 | heroxbd | And I am looking for a way to generate a esd authorization key. |
| 13:11.37 | Bushmills | of course change username to the name of the user you log in as |
| 13:11.49 | AssociateX | Bushmills: I tried that and even just made a whole new user "bob" to see if that could help, bob couldn't log into kde either and also had the same weird command promt |
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| 13:11.53 | Shai | Bushmills - Is there a way I could just reinstall debian without reformatting the partition thereby leaving everything else intact? |
| 13:11.54 | AssociateX | prompt* |
| 13:12.06 | abrotman | heroxbd: okay, i don't use esd either .. there's not docs at the pulse or esd site? |
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| 13:12.20 | Bushmills | shai, sound overkill for just installing a new kernl |
| 13:12.22 | Bushmills | nel |
| 13:12.41 | heroxbd | abrotman, actually I am currently searching the web ;) |
| 13:12.41 | Shai | yes, but I'm having to overcome problems that are a bit over my head |
| 13:12.57 | Bushmills | what you ask is essentiall "how do i install everything plus kernel except everything else" |
| 13:14.20 | Shai | Theres not a lot on this system to begin with, fluxbox, wpa_supplicant, a couple of media players and lirc. I'm hoping with a reinstall I can leave all that intact, only have to compile the lirc drivers again and maybe reinstall some apps, hopefully not fluxbox though. |
| 13:14.35 | Shai | And retain the scripts I've setup. |
| 13:14.42 | heroxbd | abrotman, Oh great, I found the answer. merely a symlink from a pulseaudio runtime file to my $HOME. Thanks a lot! :) |
| 13:14.50 | abrotman | ok |
| 13:14.51 | Shai | Will a reinstall overwrite all that? |
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| 13:15.35 | Bushmills | depends. /home on same partition as / ? |
| 13:15.41 | Shai | yes |
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| 13:16.23 | AssociateX | Bushmills: I think I may have found the problem, my /etc/profile has this line that gives the same weird prompt PS1='\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
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| 13:16.49 | Bushmills | AssociateX: that;s ok. |
| 13:16.54 | *** part/#debian mib_pxwg99ex (i=dd02a40f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-8ded74dec20ede33) |
| 13:17.13 | Bushmills | \u is subsituted against user, \h against hostname |
| 13:17.28 | Bushmills | \w against cwd |
| 13:17.51 | perlm | q: there is a buzzing noise in my speakers, i cannot figure out what the problem could be. When I scroll down or up on webpages, it buzzes like hell :( |
| 13:17.55 | AssociateX | so maybe hostname is the issue since it's empty |
| 13:18.01 | Shai | I'm going for the reinstall. |
| 13:18.08 | Bushmills | that it shows 192 instead of 192.168.1.1 only is probably due to showing hostname only, not the FQDN |
| 13:18.25 | Bushmills | therefore, what follows 192 is considered domain |
| 13:18.27 | Bushmills | and truncated |
| 13:18.43 | AssociateX | ok |
| 13:18.53 | Bushmills | but you can set a hostname, sure. |
| 13:19.10 | Bushmills | edit /etc/hostname, and execute hostname <name> |
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| 13:19.49 | Bushmills | you might also want to edit /etc/fstab, to associate ip address with hostname |
| 13:19.52 | Bushmills | ehm |
| 13:19.54 | Bushmills | /etc/hosts |
| 13:19.57 | sandman | If I decide to run Xen, with Debian Etch as the host, Debian Lenny/Sid as the client, can the DomU and Dom0 run different kernels? |
| 13:19.58 | Bushmills | not fstab |
| 13:20.22 | sandman | Dom0 will be running 2.6.18-6, of course, while I'd like the DomU to be running 2.6.24 or some such, with the appropriate Xen patches installed, of course. |
| 13:20.48 | AssociateX | Bushmills: ok, I'm looking for a hosts and hostname file example right now |
| 13:21.07 | Bushmills | AssociateX: single line. like 192.168.1.1 myhostname |
| 13:21.27 | AssociateX | for hosts or hostname or both? |
| 13:21.38 | Bushmills | for /etc/hosts. |
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| 13:21.55 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:22.40 | AssociateX | hosts is done |
| 13:22.54 | Bushmills | and then run, as user, startx /usr/bin/startkde |
| 13:23.07 | Bushmills | that should show you what the problem with starting kde is |
| 13:24.45 | Shai | God! Trying to get it to reinstall without repartitioning was like wrestling an eel |
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| 13:25.32 | AssociateX | well brb |
| 13:27.46 | Arrick | you know, i've been trying to download the "torrents" of debian fro 2 days now, is there an OFFICIAL connection I can get for debian, so I can actually download, becwause there is nothing available via the torrents |
| 13:27.46 | DexterF | so there's an ext3 I use for dvb recording. every 30 reboots it gets fsck'ed. so far, so good. only thing is: why does it take so long? I used to think ext3 = journaling fs = check journal, all fine, go on, matter of seconds. |
| 13:27.54 | Arrick | fro/for |
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| 13:28.22 | abrotman | Arrick: use the netinst? |
| 13:28.23 | Bushmills | DexterF: you can change the check frequency |
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| 13:28.33 | Bushmills | set it to something else. |
| 13:28.40 | Arrick | abrotman i would like the dvds, because im installing a desktop system |
| 13:28.41 | vizzy | AfterDeath, download netinst cd ido image , birn it and install |
| 13:28.45 | Bushmills | or disable it completely. though that may not be ideal |
| 13:28.53 | vizzy | or use debootstrap etc. |
| 13:28.56 | abrotman | Arrick: and if the torrents don't work, just use the ISO |
| 13:29.13 | DexterF | Bushmills: not what I mean. the check itself takes really long. minutes. on 20GB. |
| 13:29.27 | Arrick | netinst requires me to install everything over the internet, for desktop that taks forever... and the ISO's were throwing errors using wget last night |
| 13:29.34 | Arrick | Connecting to cdredirect.debian.,at[213.135.253.206]:80 ... failed: Bad file descriptor |
| 13:29.38 | Bushmills | DexterF: yes. that check is independent of journalling or not |
| 13:29.49 | tolecnal | hmmm, official torrents not working? sounds more like an error on your end, as I've never had any problems with the official torrents. they are usually lightning fast |
| 13:29.49 | vizzy | Arrick, choose another mirror |
| 13:30.05 | DexterF | Bushmills: so.. that's like a ext2 check? |
| 13:30.07 | Arrick | that's debians ISO repo |
| 13:30.16 | Arrick | how is thatr going to be bad, and another mirror be good? |
| 13:30.21 | Bushmills | DexterF: the difference you mean is probably, in case of power failure, or reboot, that's where journalling helps |
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| 13:30.46 | Bushmills | the full check is for being on the save side. |
| 13:30.56 | abrotman | Arrick: it will actually be more efficient to use the netinst |
| 13:30.58 | Bushmills | every so often, or every so many mounts, |
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| 13:31.27 | Bushmills | but you can change both interval and frequency, set it to whatever you like |
| 13:31.27 | Arrick | ok, looks like I will use ubuntu then, because netinstall doesnt even have the drivers for my NIC's |
| 13:31.39 | Bushmills | safe side |
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| 13:32.00 | abrotman | Arrick: why did you think the full DVDs would? |
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| 13:32.02 | vizzy | Arrick, you use a modem or so? :O, otherwise, with dsl or so, its fast enough to get a full install in minutes, maybe 1 or 2h |
| 13:32.05 | dav7 | Hello. I'm doing some hacking (in the good sense of the word) on a non-Debian distro and am trying to make a program that only professes compatibility with Debian work on my distro as well. Could someone please give me a listing (or URL to the same) of EVERY binary or script related to the Debian package management system? |
| 13:32.06 | dav7 | Thanks. |
| 13:32.21 | abrotman | Arrick: and what is your NIC ? |
| 13:32.23 | DexterF | Bushmills: thing i I plan for a raid5 array. rather big, 1.2TB. used to run XFS on the old array but I don't really trust XFS anymore, so I thought I go for something reliable. but I reboot that machine every day, and checking 1.2T takes forever, I guess. question is: why did this never happen on xfs |
| 13:32.24 | vizzy | Arrick, what drivers? what nic so you have? |
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| 13:33.03 | wm4 | "vpnc was built without openssl: Can't do hybrid or cert mode." where's the version with SSL? |
| 13:33.14 | Bushmills | DexterF: in terms of reliability, i rate jfs highly. but it is a tad slower in directories with many files, |
| 13:33.21 | Bushmills | slower than ext3, i mean |
| 13:33.24 | dav7 | Bushmills: I use JFS :P |
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| 13:33.47 | Bushmills | dav7: not too many users around |
| 13:33.54 | DexterF | Bushmills: even slower..? ext3 isn't the fastest around exactly |
| 13:33.54 | dav7 | Bushmills: I see |
| 13:33.56 | Bushmills | some consider it outdated |
| 13:34.00 | AssociateX | Bushmills: that was easy, thanks |
| 13:34.04 | AssociateX | he he |
| 13:34.16 | Bushmills | AssociateX: working again? |
| 13:34.19 | AssociateX | Bushmills: seriously though, thank you for the help |
| 13:34.26 | AssociateX | yes, it working |
| 13:34.26 | Bushmills | yw |
| 13:34.27 | abrotman | guess he didn't actually want help |
| 13:34.28 | dav7 | Bushmills: I -must- say its journal recovery is great. While 80GB isn't so big, most of that is in a rather full 30GB partition, and when the power/whatever goes "oops" the journal recovers in under 3..4 seconds. |
| 13:34.30 | dav7 | Bushmills: it's great. |
| 13:34.42 | dav7 | (after I reboot that is :P) |
| 13:35.08 | dav7 | DexterF: if you want speed, get a RAID controller. |
| 13:35.09 | dav7 | =P |
| 13:35.11 | Bushmills | i found it to be more reliable than ext3 in those situations. also when the disk runs out of space. |
| 13:35.53 | Bushmills | and that bit less performance on dirs with many files in i can live with. |
| 13:35.57 | dav7 | Bushmills: nice... yea my home dir ran out of space recently and apart from an editor b0rking up and saving a 0 byte file over my project (which I rewrote bigger and better! :D) nothing else seems to have suffered loss. |
| 13:36.02 | dav7 | Bushmills: me too |
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| 13:36.31 | wm4 | asking again: is there a debian package for vpnc built with SSL? |
| 13:36.38 | dav7 | Bushmills: (btw, about the project - an IRC lib which is literally done... - I had a few backups, I was able to continue on from my most recent backup.) |
| 13:36.50 | dav7 | let me ask my Q again too |
| 13:36.53 | dav7 | Hello. I'm doing some hacking (in the good sense of the word) on a non-Debian distro and am trying to make a program that only professes compatibility with Debian work on my distro as well. Could someone please give me a listing (or URL to the same) of EVERY binary or script related to the Debian package management system? |
| 13:37.29 | Bushmills | dav7: both ext3 and reiser tend to lose disk space when that happens. |
| 13:37.35 | abrotman | Arrick: and what is your NIC ? |
| 13:37.39 | dav7 | Bushmills: I see |
| 13:38.00 | Bushmills | jfs didn't. i tested it by letting it run full hundreds of times. |
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| 13:38.13 | dav7 | wow... hah |
| 13:38.17 | dav7 | cool :D |
| 13:38.17 | vizzy | dav7, maybe have a look at the dependencies of dpkg and synaptic etc (guessing, but that could be the point to start with) |
| 13:38.20 | Bushmills | at the end, reiser - which was the worst - had less then half the original size left. |
| 13:38.26 | k-man | i put a new sata controller in my pc, but as far as i can tell, its not being detected by the kernel |
| 13:38.30 | AssociateX | Bushmills: and my command prompts look normal again although they say Athlon when I changed it to myBox "me@Athlon:~$" |
| 13:38.31 | dav7 | vizzy: I don't actually have a debian system to work with. |
| 13:38.37 | wm4 | dav7: your editor saved a 0 byte file? kick your editor and write the author of that editor a hatemail |
| 13:38.37 | dav7 | Bushmills: :O :O :O |
| 13:39.01 | vizzy | dav7, i oculd tell you if i would know how to see them :) ...hmmm |
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| 13:39.27 | dav7 | wm4: I sorta did... seriously, at the end of the day everything worked out so much better... I rewrote something I'd just written better than I'd originally wrote it. So all's good anyway, and it's almost done too. |
| 13:39.31 | akt | Hi. I asked what's the diffference between Debian and Ubuntu on #ubuntu |
| 13:39.34 | akt | but got no answer. |
| 13:39.48 | akt | colud you share your thought on this please? |
| 13:39.48 | Bushmills | akt: lol. maybe they don't know? |
| 13:39.53 | dav7 | akt: Ubuntu is based on Debian. So Ubuntu is 1% like Debian. Debian is not like Ubuntu at all. |
| 13:39.57 | Bushmills | but, why should people on debian know?\ |
| 13:40.15 | dav7 | akt: that's what I've heard anyway |
| 13:40.18 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:40.26 | Bushmills | i suppose ubuntu people are best at telling you about ubuntu, |
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| 13:40.33 | Bushmills | and debian people about debian. |
| 13:40.34 | abrotman | akt: Ubuntu is a Debian based distro |
| 13:40.37 | akt | I'm thinking installing Debian or Ubuntu for development box |
| 13:40.38 | abrotman | !tell akt about ubuntu |
| 13:40.38 | dav7 | akt: the "1%" is more of a token value than a true percentage. |
| 13:40.52 | dav7 | akt: Arch Linux pwns both Debian and Ubuntu put together :D |
| 13:40.55 | dav7 | hides |
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| 13:41.23 | abrotman | dav7: so why are you here? |
| 13:41.26 | Arrick | abrotman intel Pro 1000 |
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| 13:41.33 | abrotman | !tell Arrick about kmuto |
| 13:41.36 | dav7 | abrotman: I'd like a debian-related question answered |
| 13:41.46 | abrotman | Arrick: there are netinst there with newer kernels, including newer NIC support |
| 13:41.53 | akt | i'm used to be a Debian user but i don't know much about Ubuntu |
| 13:41.57 | malakar | Hey can anyone tell me howto configure a newly added network card, I already have one card |
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| 13:42.09 | abrotman | dav7: you want every binary? |
| 13:42.15 | akt | I know Ubuntu's getting more popularity recently. |
| 13:42.22 | dav7 | abrotman: well, it's like this. Let me explain it... |
| 13:42.34 | wm4 | is now using konqueror over an internet SSH connections, thanks everyone |
| 13:42.40 | dav7 | nice! |
| 13:42.41 | akt | If there's not much diff between them. I'll choose Debian |
| 13:42.44 | abrotman | akt: if you value stability use debian .. if you want SNS, use ubuntu |
| 13:42.45 | Arrick | thanks abrotman |
| 13:43.08 | abrotman | !tell malakar about interfaces |
| 13:43.13 | vizzy | dav7, i found something |
| 13:43.24 | vizzy | Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 5), libreadline5-dev | libreadline-dev, libncurses5-dev | libncurses-dev |
| 13:43.25 | dav7 | abrotman: I want to try the Adobe AIR beta on Arch. But it's Debian only. I'm... well... okay with computers, so I've done a bit of reverse engineering and vaguely figured out what does what in the installation process, but I can't find any executable names anywhere. |
| 13:43.29 | akt | abrotman: I'm planning installing Unstable, so the difference is getting more close I suppose. |
| 13:43.39 | vizzy | dav7, this is in the .dsc files of a debian package |
| 13:43.41 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 13:43.46 | dav7 | vizzy: PM them to me |
| 13:43.49 | Bushmills | i'm quite happy about the fact that ubuntu exists. |
| 13:43.54 | akt | you know debian stable is not so good at development box |
| 13:43.54 | abrotman | dav7: you can download air from adobe.com |
| 13:44.08 | dav7 | abrotman: it's debian only ^_^ |
| 13:44.09 | abrotman | dav7: you can look at the package contents |
| 13:44.09 | Bushmills | and draws the users which aren't willing to do a lot of reading about their system |
| 13:44.11 | abrotman | akt: sure it is |
| 13:44.15 | abrotman | dav7: from adobe.com ? |
| 13:44.16 | malakar | abortman shall i use ifconfig to configure the new network card? |
| 13:44.18 | dav7 | abrotman: yup! |
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| 13:44.26 | abrotman | malakar: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:44.39 | abrotman | dav7: wow .. okay .. you could just use alien? or unpack it and install it manually ? |
| 13:44.49 | dav7 | abrotman: so I was wondering if I inserted all the debian package manager binaries at where they'd be with token content that echoed their parmeters to a known location, I could learn more about how the installer interacts with the system. And insall it manally. |
| 13:44.50 | Bushmills | i think since ubuntu, it is less often "rtfm" here, but more "ask #ubuntu" |
| 13:44.52 | dav7 | manually* |
| 13:45.04 | malakar | abortman: just need to add an entry there? how to verify that the card is recognized and proper driver is being loaded? |
| 13:45.10 | dav7 | abrotman: I tried unpacking it manually already, it appeared to be working but it complains about stuff not being installed correctly. |
| 13:45.18 | abrotman | malakar: dmesg | grep eth |
| 13:46.04 | abrotman | dav7: error messages might help |
| 13:46.08 | malakar | abortman: noh that shows only eth0, eth1 is not there |
| 13:46.09 | Bushmills | and instead if "the docs don't tell" it is more often "nobody answers there" |
| 13:46.19 | abrotman | malakar: lspci .. is it shown there? |
| 13:46.25 | dav7 | abrotman: actually, they don't. Not even when I go poking. |
| 13:46.30 | akt | anyone using experience of Ubuntu? could you tell me what make you back to Debian? |
| 13:46.38 | dav7 | abrotman: it's just a "!!!! ERROR OCCUR!! WHAT NOW ???" generic thing >.> |
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| 13:46.55 | dav7 | abrotman: ;P it looks nicer but that's the general idea. |
| 13:46.55 | abrotman | akt: for example, you're here asking us about ubuntu because no one there will answer you |
| 13:47.03 | abrotman | dav7: strace it ? |
| 13:47.12 | dav7 | abrotman: strace?... |
| 13:47.24 | abrotman | akt: you probably shouldn't use unstable for a development box .. maybe lenny perhaps |
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| 13:47.36 | abrotman | dav7: strace? doesn't Arch have basic debugging tools ? |
| 13:47.39 | malakar | abortman: it gives the manufacturer name but says Unknow device 2 |
| 13:47.51 | abrotman | malakar: update-pciids |
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| 13:48.02 | Bushmills | akt: you might be able - no guarantee - to replace your /etc/apt/sources.list (and/or /etc/apt/sources.list.d) and update as it comes. apt-get --reinstall .. some key packages. |
| 13:48.10 | dav7 | abrotman: #1, arch has most everything, #2, I've no idea what the basic debugging tools ARE, much less how to use them |
| 13:48.19 | abrotman | !strace |
| 13:48.19 | dpkg | somebody said strace was a system call tracing utility. Run it like so: 'strace -f -o LOGFILE EXEC'.. A good way to diagnose problems |
| 13:48.34 | Bushmills | akt, at least i was experimentally able to transform an ubuntu to debian installation in due time that way once |
| 13:48.37 | abrotman | and apparently Arch doesn't have AIR :) |
| 13:48.49 | abrotman | Bushmills: don't tell people to do that |
| 13:48.50 | akt | abrotman: Unstable is better than test I think |
| 13:49.00 | akt | even for security reason. |
| 13:49.02 | abrotman | akt: i disagree .. but it's your call |
| 13:49.05 | Bushmills | abrotman: proper warnings issued |
| 13:49.06 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 13:49.06 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Lenny. |
| 13:49.21 | abrotman | Bushmills: you forgot "Neither channel will support you" |
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| 13:49.36 | dav7 | abrotman: AIR is still in beta, and only officially supports debian. |
| 13:49.39 | dav7 | abrotman: which is sad. |
| 13:49.48 | Bushmills | abrotman: eventually, nothing ubuntuesque will remain |
| 13:49.48 | akt | Bushmills: good to know. |
| 13:50.08 | abrotman | dav7: they know where the users are :) |
| 13:50.12 | abrotman | Bushmills: hopefully |
| 13:50.32 | Bushmills | but i agree that it is not the recommended way to reconvert to debian |
| 13:50.46 | dav7 | abrotman: :/ |
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| 13:51.31 | akt | If I'm not mistaken, any packages need to be unstable a week before coming to test |
| 13:51.39 | abrotman | not quite |
| 13:51.41 | akt | even for security fix. wrong? |
| 13:51.44 | beardy | Not really.. |
| 13:51.46 | abrotman | and that's what testing security can be used for |
| 13:51.58 | abrotman | it's 2-10 days depending on a few factors including bugs found |
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| 13:53.07 | akt | reading debian security faq |
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| 13:54.00 | AssociateX | this whole aptitude thing is a real drag, I was just getting the hang of apt-get now I have to learn something new. |
| 13:54.08 | AssociateX | I'm going to start reading now |
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| 13:54.31 | abrotman | aptitude is better in most cases .. good to learn it |
| 13:54.39 | khmer42 | I just pulled of a major school boy error and used apt-get remove on a package that I shouldn't have, it removed loads of stuff. I can see what's been removed, it there anyway to rollback the remove, or do I need to go back through everything removed and install again? |
| 13:54.54 | amphi | AssociateX: you can use aptitude without the interface, much like apt-get |
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| 13:55.32 | Prock | does any one know how to make my usb stick be exactly like as if a iso was burned on cd, .... so i could use my usb stick instead of a cd ? |
| 13:55.54 | abrotman | khmer42: does /var/log/dpkg.log exist ? |
| 13:56.00 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 13:56.00 | dpkg | somebody said usb install was Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 13:56.31 | AssociateX | amphi: oh! I didn't know that, I was just about to start looking for docs on it. Thanks |
| 13:57.03 | amphi | AssociateX: I haven't used the curses interface at all, really, so far |
| 13:57.30 | khmer42 | abrotman: yes |
| 13:57.43 | abrotman | khmer42: that keeps track of what has been removed/installed |
| 13:58.25 | akt | abrotman: read the security faq. as you said testing is better support than unstable. but as I said every packages first come to unstable you know. So sometimes unstable is more stable. so i'll try unstable. you might think I'm stupid. chould be, but promise I don't blame you if I'd get hacked :) |
| 13:58.31 | akt | abrotman: and thanks for your help. |
| 13:58.45 | Bushmills | khmer42: running from a daily cronjob dpkg --get-selections "*" > /etc/packages.list helps |
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| 13:59.00 | akt | It's just a dev box anyway, not a prod server. |
| 13:59.09 | abrotman | akt: yes, but don't you think that having a dev box that is always changing ... is a bad idea? |
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| 14:00.03 | Bushmills | khmer42: as you can feed that output back to dpkg, and then complete restoration of all packages through any installer. |
| 14:00.04 | AssociateX | google "aptitude debian etch" did not bring back the expected results, |
| 14:00.08 | akt | abrotman: depends. I don't think there's so frequent GCC changes on unstable. ;) |
| 14:00.55 | abrotman | uhm .. okay .. there is a debian-gcc mailing list IIRC that you might want to subscribe to .. just in case you're concerned about impending changes |
| 14:01.01 | khmer42 | Bushmills: thanks, I will give it a go. |
| 14:01.31 | abrotman | akt: or it might be a lot of junk that you'll never read .. check the archives before subscribing |
| 14:01.48 | malakar | abortman: after doing update-pciids what to do next? [ it took me sometime as the machine is not connected to internet |
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| 14:02.07 | abrotman | lspci .. see it now? |
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| 14:02.49 | akt | abrotman: that said I might get back to testing if I feel unstable is not for me. god only knows. |
| 14:02.59 | abrotman | akt: okeedokee .. have fun |
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| 14:03.36 | abrotman | akt: and don't forget about the BTS when looking for bugs with your installation |
| 14:03.43 | malakar | It recognizes it as Ethernet Controller, says " Ethernet Controller : Hangzhou Silan Microelectronics co., Ltd. Unknown device 2031 (rev 01) " |
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| 14:04.06 | malakar | This was the output even before updating pci list |
| 14:04.12 | AssociateX | why does "man aptitude" go through "more"? |
| 14:04.15 | akt | abrotman: of course. |
| 14:04.30 | abrotman | malakar: it should have been able to find it |
| 14:04.41 | abrotman | malakar: lspci -nn .. what is the xxxx:xxxx at the end of the line ? |
| 14:04.49 | abrotman | AssociateX: because you don't have less installed? |
| 14:04.51 | Bushmills | AssociateX: probably pager set in alternatives to more |
| 14:05.37 | malakar | abortman: [1904:2031] (rev 01) |
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| 14:06.03 | Bushmills | AssociateX: ls -l /etc/alternatives/pager |
| 14:06.04 | abrotman | malakar: are you on etch ? |
| 14:06.28 | malakar | debian 4.0 |
| 14:06.50 | AssociateX | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.54 | abrotman | malakar: and this box has no internet now ? |
| 14:07.09 | AssociateX | ahhhhh, much better |
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| 14:07.26 | malakar | no, that is an ancient machine i am intending to use as a gateway |
| 14:07.36 | abrotman | malakar: but it has internet right now ? |
| 14:07.52 | malakar | no it is not connected to internet now |
| 14:07.59 | AssociateX | thank you abrotman and Bushmills |
| 14:08.03 | Bushmills | np |
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| 14:08.24 | abrotman | malakar: there is a newer kernel at backports.org .. it should have support for that card |
| 14:08.58 | malakar | backport: i will have to update kernel or just load a new module? |
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| 14:09.34 | abrotman | update the kernel |
| 14:09.43 | malakar | sorry I meant abortman :-) |
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| 14:10.08 | AssociateX | aptitude thinks that I don't have vim installed but I do. Is that because I probably installed vim with apt-get? |
| 14:10.24 | abrotman | malakar: you meant abrotman ? |
| 14:10.25 | Bushmills | AssociateX: unlikely |
| 14:10.43 | Bushmills | probably you have some vim variant, like vim-gtk or such |
| 14:10.51 | Bushmills | if there is such :) |
| 14:10.53 | sandman | "gcc omits frame-pointers by default at -O2" for AMD64 architecture? Is there someting I don't know about AMD64, like for example, that it doesn't need frame-pointers anymore for debugging? |
| 14:11.11 | malakar | aah another mistake :-) abrotman |
| 14:11.17 | foobar8 | hi i have a disk image with a dos partition table - to mount a partition with losetup i could calculate the offset myself - but i think recently there was added an easier way detecting the partitions automatically - but i can't remember / cannot find it - any hint? |
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| 14:11.33 | _ZeuZ_ | !iptables GUI |
| 14:11.37 | Bushmills | AssociateX: dpkg -l | grep vim |
| 14:11.50 | _ZeuZ_ | !iptables GUI |
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| 14:12.27 | abrotman | !tell _ZeuZ_ about msg the bot |
| 14:12.43 | AssociateX | Bushmills: is there a way to something like that with aptitude? |
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| 14:12.49 | AssociateX | show the installed |
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| 14:13.05 | AssociateX | with install dates |
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| 14:13.50 | Bushmills | AssociateX: no idea |
| 14:14.20 | Bushmills | i haven't got the hang of using aptitude as far |
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| 14:14.55 | malakar | backports: any pointer how to update the kernel? |
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| 14:15.04 | Bushmills | sometimes i try, but am always glad when i'm out of aptitude again. |
| 14:15.11 | abrotman | aptitude show vim .. it will show if it's installed and which version |
| 14:15.24 | sidewalk | is it possible to netinstall a hppa, without using the cdrom? |
| 14:15.39 | AssociateX | I must be missing something else, man aptitude looks kind of strange, there are a lot of extra characters like the heading for Pager looks like \fBPAGER\fR |
| 14:15.40 | abrotman | floppies maybe |
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| 14:15.48 | sidewalk | i mean only netinstall? |
| 14:15.49 | xingu | sidewalk: yes; they can boot from dds-dat tape. |
| 14:16.15 | sidewalk | i dont have dds-dat tape, or floppies |
| 14:16.23 | xingu | sidewalk: (I assume by "hppa" you mean pa-risc workstation) |
| 14:16.33 | AssociateX | Bushmills: me either, but today is my third day with debian, I'll catch on |
| 14:16.38 | sidewalk | xingu: yes |
| 14:16.39 | AssociateX | thanks though |
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| 14:17.02 | sidewalk | xingu: is it possible to only netinstall them? |
| 14:17.12 | sidewalk | i have a hp c3600 |
| 14:17.19 | xingu | sidewalk: I don't think their prom can tftpboot, I'd be happy to be wrong on that score |
| 14:17.28 | ootput | does anyone know the status of mpc (for mpd) in terms of fixing the connectivity issue? |
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| 14:17.42 | xingu | sidewalk: what does google think? (I'll take a look now too) |
| 14:18.02 | AssociateX | why am I seeing man page mark up code? I'm going to try to google this first |
| 14:18.02 | sidewalk | im looking |
| 14:18.27 | xingu | sidewalk: http://ldp.ods.org/HOWTO/html_single/PA-RISC-Linux-Boot-HOWTO/ |
| 14:19.25 | foobar8 | now uses "parted ./image unit B print" but still would like to know how to get the kernel to automatically detect the partitions |
| 14:19.53 | sidewalk | thanks xingu |
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| 14:26.00 | AssociateX | https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/aptitude/+bug/116946/+activity <---that's what I have going on |
| 14:27.23 | abrotman | oh ... aptitude man page broken .. news at 11 |
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| 14:27.49 | AssociateX | lol |
| 14:28.55 | AssociateX | abrotman: ok, so it's just the man page for aptitude that was broken |
| 14:29.25 | AssociateX | ok |
| 14:29.25 | AssociateX | This is my third day with debian, I'll catch on |
| 14:29.28 | xingu | sidewalk: so basically from "BOOT_ADMIN>" "search" should be valid; and one of the paths, will be a LAN.xxxx path |
| 14:29.34 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 14:30.33 | Mazingaro | please I've got a problem with flashplugin-nonfree on adm 32: playing youtube videos isn't smooth and audio is bad |
| 14:30.36 | xingu | sidewalk: it'll be looking for a "lif" image file; it'll be configured via either hp-proprietry-rboot, or, bootp protocol |
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| 14:32.38 | xingu | sidewalk: until you have either rbootd or bootpd/dhcpd associating that MAC address with the respective lif.fs image, the LAN path won't show in search |
| 14:32.38 | spx2 | can wget continue downloading from some point ,does it have some parameters for that ?I've checked the documentation and it doesnt seem to have anything but -c but that doesn't help too much,I need it to start downloading from a certain byte number... |
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| 14:33.06 | xingu | sidewalk: I'm cribing some of this while reading the obsd4.1 booting howto for that arch |
| 14:33.40 | xingu | sidewalk: rboot/bootp configure the prom and tell it what its ip address and lif file image are; the prom will fetch them via tftp |
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| 14:34.13 | Bushmills | spx2: yes |
| 14:34.19 | Bushmills | spx, wget -c |
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| 14:34.45 | Bushmills | oh. you might be able to truncate the file first. |
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| 14:34.59 | Bushmills | dd if= ... of=... bs=1 count=bytes |
| 14:35.29 | spx2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:35.37 | Bushmills | spx, set bytes to the offset, then wget -c the destination file (the one given for of=) |
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| 14:35.48 | AssociateX | I think its time I get sound working on Deb |
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| 14:35.53 | spx2 | Bushmills: yes well I'm able to use dd if I'm on the other side(the side where I'm downloading from) but I'm not always able to be there am I ? |
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| 14:36.16 | Bushmills | spx if you aren't, you would you continue a download? |
| 14:36.33 | Bushmills | .. "how would you..." |
| 14:36.39 | AssociateX | holy cow! lsmod shows like 60 load modules |
| 14:37.47 | Bushmills | spx, alternatively, look at curl. especially, the -C option |
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| 14:38.40 | spx2 | Bushmills: does curl allow me to specify from what byte on I want to download from ? |
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| 14:38.49 | Bushmills | yes |
| 14:39.00 | amphi | AssociateX: 77 modules here ;) |
| 14:39.20 | foobar8 | 144 here :-P |
| 14:39.53 | Bushmills | is this a geek variant of "mine is longer"? |
| 14:40.08 | foobar8 | i have to amit: i only have 143 ;-) |
| 14:40.37 | foobar8 | ~s/amit/admit |
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| 14:41.37 | spx2 | Bushmills: I will check that out now |
| 14:41.42 | jaggz- | I manually installed a python version in my old system -- to try to satisfy the needs of a software package I needed. This totally broke my package management system dependencies and I'd like to return my system to a working state. |
| 14:41.57 | jaggz- | however, when I remove python it now wants to remove a billion things and I can't stop it |
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| 14:42.34 | spx2 | Bushmills: that was pretty nice !!! |
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| 14:43.52 | spx2 | Bushmills: yea its fucking nice |
| 14:43.55 | Bushmills | spx, yes, no kludgyness or hackish workaround. |
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| 14:44.54 | Bushmills | though both have their merits |
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| 14:45.16 | DexterF | so - what's the situation on XFS in etch? I had some issues in slackware due to kernel code and tools being aoutdated or mismatching |
| 14:45.30 | DexterF | is it safe to use? backported kernel 2.6.22 |
| 14:45.45 | sandman | KVM is basically kqemu in the official kernel sources, right? |
| 14:46.01 | Bushmills | DexterF: is your power supply stable? the machine too? |
| 14:46.01 | abrotman | sandman: |
| 14:46.01 | abrotman | sandman: no |
| 14:46.01 | asg | sandman: no, KVM is a totally different thing |
| 14:46.04 | Bushmills | DexterF: have an UPS connected? |
| 14:46.43 | AssociateX | what's the site for debian howto? is the an offical wiki or anything? |
| 14:46.58 | Bushmills | AssociateX: www.tldp.net |
| 14:47.00 | AssociateX | howto's* |
| 14:47.00 | Bushmills | or was it org |
| 14:47.05 | asg | AssociateX: debian-administration.org has good stuff |
| 14:47.11 | DexterF | Bushmills: PSU is fine, machine is solid (asus mobo, only quality components), no UPS (yet). thing is I reboot this a lot since the machine goes down at night and is restarted in the morning. |
| 14:47.35 | AssociateX | thanks people |
| 14:47.39 | Bushmills | DexterF: controlled shutdown is ok. power loss is bad for xfs |
| 14:47.44 | sandman | Oh! okay =) |
| 14:47.45 | DexterF | this is purely for private purpose, no comapny production. mainly a multimedia system |
| 14:48.28 | Bushmills | DexterF: and you want to have a lot of RAM, to max the benefit of xfs |
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| 14:49.10 | DexterF | Bushmills: well I never could put my finger on what the issue was with slackware, I had xfs on a software raid5. every now and then the array degraded becuase of a non-clean event count and I never figured why. each time this happened, some files on the xfs parts were damaged. |
| 14:49.57 | DexterF | I think the machine didn't properly sync the system before pulling whatever, the controller module or so. degradation only happened on reboots, never during operation |
| 14:50.10 | DexterF | since I moved the box to Etch this never happened again |
| 14:50.27 | DexterF | machine has 1GB, upgrade to 2 scheduled or at least planned |
| 14:50.43 | sandman | I heard that Xen performance with heavy hdd access and network access is horrible. Can anyone add some validity to this? |
| 14:50.59 | Bushmills | DexterF: i don't know of that problem. doesn't mean it doesn't exist in debian. |
| 14:51.29 | Bushmills | sandman: "heavy hdd access" .. xfs is designed to lower hdd access. |
| 14:51.48 | DexterF | well, obviously nobody has yet heard about it. I guess I'll take a shot, reboot a couple of times, see how it goes. |
| 14:51.49 | Bushmills | sandman: so in what circumestances is this supposed to happen? |
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| 14:52.14 | Prock | on the link http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en where is talks about the file ..... There is an all-in-one file hd-media/boot.img.gz which contains all the installer files (including the kernel) where can i get that at? |
| 14:52.36 | Bushmills | sandman: in general, any file system will suffer from degraded performances when the disk is accessed heavily. |
| 14:52.38 | DexterF | sandman: the sandman from #slackman...? |
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| 14:53.28 | Bushmills | but in case of xfs, accessing the file system does not equate accessing the disk |
| 14:53.38 | Prock | any one know ? |
| 14:53.44 | Bushmills | though, again, that's true for other file systems too |
| 14:54.32 | Prock | hd-media/boot.img.gz ? where to get it |
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| 14:55.10 | asg | Prock: you could have read section 4.2 of the manual |
| 14:55.21 | Prock | where |
| 14:55.36 | asg | Prock: click the 'Prev' link twice |
| 14:55.37 | Prock | im reading how to make hte usb stick for net install |
| 14:56.02 | asg | Prock: and two sections earlier, it tells you where to get the file referenced in section 4.4. |
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| 14:56.37 | Prock | what ch & s |
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| 14:56.59 | asg | Prock: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s02.html.en |
| 14:57.01 | sandman | DexterF: Nope. That's Sandman1 |
| 14:57.08 | abrotman | you know .. chapter 4 .. section 2 ? |
| 14:57.20 | asg | abrotman: it is amazing that people still manage to breath |
| 14:57.52 | abrotman | asg: hooked up to a machine .. |
| 14:58.26 | AssociateX | aptitude search amixer does not show the package that gives amixer |
| 14:58.33 | AssociateX | how do I find it |
| 14:58.37 | abrotman | !tell AssociateX about apt-file |
| 14:58.45 | abrotman | !tell AssociateX about search |
| 14:58.46 | Dubzilla | Quick question for you all |
| 14:58.54 | Bushmills | there's also dlocate |
| 14:58.56 | Dubzilla | Debian Testing, how is it with ipw3945? |
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| 14:59.02 | AssociateX | abrotman: thanks a ton |
| 14:59.19 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 14:59.19 | dpkg | If you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>. See also <ipw3945-fu> |
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| 15:00.08 | Dubzilla | Okay cool, |
| 15:00.16 | Dubzilla | Thanks for that Abrotman |
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| 15:02.49 | stew | Dubzilla: there is little reason to use ipw3945 in testing since iwl3945 is available |
| 15:03.11 | Dubzilla | Yeah, I was unsure of what Kernel testing was using |
| 15:03.37 | Dubzilla | I think it's 2.6.24 |
| 15:03.45 | Dubzilla | Or more recent |
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| 15:03.55 | stew | Dubzilla: 2.6.24: http://packages.debian.org/linux-source-2.6 |
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| 15:04.15 | AssociateX | abrotman: thanks again, that worked perfectly |
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| 15:05.36 | sandman | qemu can utilize KVM, yes? If this is true, particularly given its SMP support, then likely it will be more useful than Virtualbox, since Virtualbox doesn't appear to have an interest in SMP support. |
| 15:06.09 | asg | sandman: KVM only virtualizes linux; qemu and vb can virtualize windows, bsds, etc. |
| 15:07.38 | sandman | asg: KVM says otherwise: http://kvm.qumranet.com/kvmwiki/Guest_Support_Status |
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| 15:09.21 | AssociateX | cool, sound is working |
| 15:09.26 | elenril | does dpkg-buildpackage recognize CONCURRENCY_LEVEL? |
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| 15:09.52 | sandman | asg: I thought KVM was nothing more than /dev/kvm |
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| 15:11.37 | asg | sandman: so it does, my mistake. Is qemu using kvm instead of the kqemu module? |
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| 15:13.51 | sandman | asg: I think it can. |
| 15:13.56 | sandman | asg: But I'm uncertain. |
| 15:14.37 | asg | sandman: oh, it seems that it requires the processor virtualization extensions (vmx/svm). This is how Xen virtualizes Windows, etc. |
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| 15:16.26 | ntadmin | Hi, i'm a new linux user. I had installed Debina on my pc but I know less commands. |
| 15:16.32 | ntadmin | somebody can help me? |
| 15:16.44 | ntadmin | my english is not so good, i'm Brazillian! |
| 15:16.45 | ntadmin | =) |
| 15:17.07 | ntadmin | how can I copy a file from a folder to other folder? |
| 15:17.29 | asg | ntadmin: see if qref.sourceforge.net has a portuguese translation. That document will give you a healthy introduction to many things. |
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| 15:17.46 | Lagbolt | ##crypto |
| 15:17.58 | Lagbolt | whoops |
| 15:18.04 | ntadmin | asg, thnks |
| 15:18.10 | sandman | ntadmin: Try this: Run aptitude as root, install tasks "Desktop environment" and "Gnome desktop environment", and run /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 15:18.17 | sandman | ntadmin: That should help you. |
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| 15:18.32 | ntadmin | thnx sandman |
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| 15:19.34 | DexterF | anything I need to keep in mind when creating lvm2 volumes on raid5? special parameters or options? |
| 15:19.45 | sandman | ntadmin: It'll get you a GUI from which you can study. =) |
| 15:20.37 | Lagbolt | anyone using pam for logins with encrypted partitions? |
| 15:20.40 | sandman | ntadmin: From there, hit alt+f2, enter "iceweasel". In the address bar, enter "http://www.linux.org/lessons/beginner/l1/lesson1e.html" |
| 15:20.43 | sandman | ntadmin: That'll get you started. |
| 15:20.48 | AssociateX | what is the package that gives all the KDE sounds? |
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| 15:22.25 | sandman | AssociateX: Are you looking for a particular file? |
| 15:22.49 | cahoot | knuisance? |
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| 15:23.09 | AssociateX | no, I was looking for desktop sounds and if there were extras |
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| 15:24.06 | kaluva | Hello there. I have two definitions in my /etc/network/interfaces: eth0-foo and eth0-bar. Now I want ifup to bring up eth0-foo, but 'ifup eth0=foo" isn't doing the trick. What am I missing? |
| 15:24.27 | AssociateX | cahoot: ha ha |
| 15:24.34 | EmleyMoor | ifup eth0-foo surely |
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| 15:24.56 | kaluva | EmleyMoor: Then ifup will tell ifconfig to bring up the physical interface called 'eth0-foo' |
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| 15:25.41 | EmleyMoor | kaluva: I've not worked with such a description - are you sure it needs =? |
| 15:25.55 | EmleyMoor | ifup eth0=eth0-foo perhaps? |
| 15:25.57 | sandman | AssociateX: Do you know what format they're stored in? |
| 15:26.02 | sandman | AssociateX: Apparently not .ogg... |
| 15:26.16 | kaluva | EmleyMoor: That's called mapping and logical names in ifup/ifdown |
| 15:26.30 | sandman | AssociateX: Okay, looks like it's kdebase-data |
| 15:26.45 | kaluva | EmleyMoor: D'oh. |
| 15:26.46 | sandman | AssociateX: And I used apt-file search .wav|grep kde to find it. |
| 15:26.52 | kaluva | EmleyMoor: Yeah, that did it |
| 15:26.52 | EmleyMoor | Like I say, it is a configuration I looked into but did not actually get to use |
| 15:27.26 | sandman | pets his apt-file |
| 15:28.04 | AssociateX | sandman: thank you, I've been using aptitude search kde|grep sound |
| 15:28.13 | AssociateX | to no avail |
| 15:28.27 | kittonian | morning all |
| 15:28.44 | sandman | AssociateX: That's why I was asking if you know some of their filenames =) |
| 15:28.50 | sandman | AssociateX: apt-file is your friend. |
| 15:29.03 | kittonian | silly question but will a low profile pci card fit into a regular profile pci slot (I know the card will connect to the port, I'm just wondering about the height of the bracket you screw in) |
| 15:29.04 | AssociateX | I just installed apt-file about an hour ago |
| 15:29.13 | AssociateX | I'm going to have to use it more |
| 15:29.17 | AssociateX | thanks again |
| 15:29.25 | sandman | AssociateX: No problem =) Enjoy your KDE sounds. |
| 15:29.26 | kaluva | EmleyMoor: Thanks a lot, sometimes the most obvious is the last you see :-) |
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| 15:31.25 | kaluva | kittonian: At the very least, you will be able to remove/replace that piece of metal |
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| 15:32.48 | kittonian | kaluva: yes I understand that, but I wanted to know if that's going to be necessary or not. I'm trying to figure out which chassis to purchase and the one I want is a 4U full height whereas the only PCI card I need happens to be low profile only |
| 15:32.56 | sandman | I wonder, when kqemu was opensourced, was the version used by debian stable also opensourced, then? |
| 15:33.38 | asg | sandman: I believe it is available in etch but it might be in non-free |
| 15:34.06 | asg | sandman: if it is the sourced version, it should be in module-assistant |
| 15:34.38 | sandman | asg: Well, it says it's closed source in apt-cache show |
| 15:35.01 | sandman | asg: And also, when I apt-get source kqemu, looking in the sources I only see prebuilt stuff. |
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| 15:35.24 | asg | sandman: there is a kqemu-source package in non-free also |
| 15:35.27 | kaluva | kittonian: Sorry, can't help you there |
| 15:35.42 | sandman | asg: I was just sorta wondering to myself how the security team would remedy a security flaw if found. Perhaps they'd grab the exact source version (now that it's been opensources), drop it in, and apply a patch. Maybe. |
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| 15:36.59 | asg | sandman: it's hard to say. It will be better supported in lenny I imagine. |
| 15:37.53 | sandman | asg: It is. |
| 15:37.57 | asg | sandman: I'd expect them to backport the fix to the existing non-free kqemu-source and rebuild. |
| 15:38.25 | sandman | asg: Yeah, because what would the other option be, right? |
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| 15:38.34 | sandman | asg: Force an upgrade? =) |
| 15:38.49 | sandman | Which would be bad, of course. |
| 15:38.52 | asg | sandman: that is generally verboten though it could happen in a later rX release. |
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| 15:39.45 | sandman | asg: Are new packages released in rx releases? |
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| 15:40.36 | asg | sandman: generally not but non-security bugfixes definitely are allowed so there is an option I suppose (i.e., the etch r0 rdesktop was broken but fixed in r1) |
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| 15:45.59 | sandman | Damn qemu rocks. |
| 15:46.24 | maligor | virtualbox has a nicer set of buttons |
| 15:46.41 | peleg | what is the meta-key? is it the windows-key on the keyboard? |
| 15:46.47 | sandman | Yeah, but qemu has a stronger core from what I've read. |
| 15:47.04 | sandman | Qemu components are used by Xen, KVM, even Virtualbox uses Qemu components. |
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| 15:47.20 | sandman | Besides, qemu-launcher FTW++ |
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| 15:47.44 | peleg | nevermind, forget it! :-) |
| 15:48.06 | sandman | peleg: You figured it out? =) |
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| 15:49.06 | FordCortina | how do i tell init to respawn a getty? |
| 15:49.29 | Bushmills | FordCortina: it should be told in inittab to do so |
| 15:50.10 | FordCortina | Bushmills: yeh i can see that. My gettys have gone, I want to get them back without reboot or changing runlevel |
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| 15:50.30 | Bushmills | FordCortina: killing one or all should respawn them |
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| 15:51.05 | Bushmills | that is, provided they are still present as processes |
| 15:51.37 | Bushmills | looks like it was successful :) |
| 15:51.39 | acxty | hey guys, this may sound simple to some but I don't find information on how to do it. I want to connect to a proxy server. I already have the domain, user and password but I don't know which package can I use to do it |
| 15:52.21 | Bushmills | acxty: "connect to" or "using a proxy to connect somewhere else to" ? |
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| 15:52.35 | Bushmills | acxty: iceweasel for example. |
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| 15:52.43 | Bushmills | other than that, a proxy for what? |
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| 15:53.10 | Bushmills | there are proxies for all kind of services. |
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| 15:54.05 | acxty | Bushmills, ip telephone line |
| 15:54.11 | Bushmills | FordCortina: seems it worked :) |
| 15:54.18 | FordCortina | Bushmills: hmm not quite |
| 15:54.27 | FordCortina | my X session seemed to crash |
| 15:54.33 | Bushmills | acxty: ah. use a sip softphone, or a hardware adapter |
| 15:54.34 | FordCortina | hence me disconnecting |
| 15:54.40 | FordCortina | :( |
| 15:54.45 | crazyfrog | how to play microsoft ASF movie? |
| 15:54.50 | FordCortina | getties still not responding :( |
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| 15:55.07 | FordCortina | but it should have worked |
| 15:55.26 | sandman | Yay, my qemuchine works. |
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| 15:56.39 | Bushmills | acxty: as softphone, you would look at something like linphone, or wengophoine, or gizmo etc |
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| 15:56.59 | acxty | Bushmills, I am would like to work with asterisk |
| 15:57.19 | Bushmills | acxty: with a hardware adapter, you connect a normal phone to it, and are independend of computer. |
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| 15:57.34 | Bushmills | acxty: you can use asterisk, but are not required to do so. |
| 15:57.35 | crazyfrog | how to play microsoft ASF movie?anyone can help me? |
| 15:57.35 | Farhadix | hi guys, how i can run a loop between 1 and 2400 in shell to run wget with count number as parameter |
| 15:57.55 | acxty | Bushmills, the problem is that I need an ivr to run some python scripts |
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| 15:58.50 | Bushmills | acxty: i use a hardware adapter, and plugged a normal DECT phone into that one. |
| 15:59.10 | acxty | Bushmills, thanks will try to do it that way |
| 15:59.17 | Bushmills | find that preferable as i'm independent of computer that way |
| 15:59.27 | Bushmills | but that can connect to asterisk too. |
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| 15:59.45 | Bushmills | though there are many voip providers which are usable |
| 15:59.48 | amphi | Farhadix: seq(1) |
| 15:59.51 | sandman | Looks like the torrent tracker for http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-cd/debian-testing-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent is borked. |
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| 16:00.22 | sandman | Yup. Gettin rejected by tracker because the download isn't "authorized" for use with the tracker. |
| 16:00.26 | sandman | That sucks. |
| 16:00.32 | jperkins | hi all |
| 16:00.47 | jperkins | i have an Intel Brookdale-G graphics chipset |
| 16:00.57 | jperkins | and Xorg doesn't want to let me use anything above 1024x768 |
| 16:01.01 | jperkins | no matter what i have in my xorg.conf |
| 16:01.12 | sandman | jperkins: What driver |
| 16:01.15 | Bushmills | acxty: the brand grandstream seems to be something to avoid. |
| 16:01.15 | sandman | Is that. |
| 16:01.18 | jperkins | whatever comes with debian by default. |
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| 16:01.21 | jperkins | i810 |
| 16:01.23 | jperkins | i think is what it's using |
| 16:01.35 | sandman | jperkins: You should know, you edited your xorg.conf |
| 16:01.36 | Bushmills | acxty: no own experience. but opinion of quite a number of people |
| 16:01.43 | jperkins | sandman: yeah, i810 |
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| 16:03.05 | Farhadix | amphi, tanks |
| 16:03.13 | Farhadix | thanks |
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| 16:03.32 | sandman | "nother user pointed out that you can tweak the i810 chipset into working properly by issuing an option videoram command in xorg.conf with a value of 16384. this seemed a bit counterintuitive, given that the chipset driver explicitly states that supports a maximum of 4 mb of system memory dedicated to video memory. it turns out that the driver documentation may not be correct." --http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-2458891.html |
| 16:03.53 | jperkins | sandman: i'll give that a try |
| 16:04.16 | sandman | jperkins: Let me know =) |
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| 16:05.09 | jperkins | restarting X.. brb |
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| 16:07.02 | sandman | jperkins: To avoid getting kicked off IRC and anything else you're working on in the console while running X, check out GNU Screen. Wildly useful, gets two thumbs up and a smile from sandman. |
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| 16:07.18 | jperkins | mmk. |
| 16:07.31 | jperkins | that didn't get my anywhere |
| 16:07.39 | jperkins | well i have 1024x768@85Hz now |
| 16:07.43 | sandman | jperkins: aptitude install screen && screen =) |
| 16:07.47 | sandman | jperkins: Alright. |
| 16:08.04 | sandman | jperkins: Are your resolutions explicitly stated in your xorg.conf file? |
| 16:08.27 | jperkins | yes |
| 16:08.29 | jperkins | i think so |
| 16:08.32 | jperkins | i can go check again |
| 16:08.36 | jperkins | one sec, i'ma switch to screen |
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| 16:09.18 | jperkins | okies. |
| 16:09.18 | sandman | jperkins: And just so you know, if you want to detach it, just Ctrl+a+d. To reattach, screen -r from another terminal. |
| 16:09.30 | jperkins | yeah, i've used screen before, on my IRC server. |
| 16:09.35 | jperkins | i have an irssi session running constantly in it |
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| 16:09.42 | sandman | jperkins: Oh! Sorry about that. I didn't know |
| 16:09.44 | jperkins | haha |
| 16:09.45 | jperkins | it's okay. |
| 16:09.47 | jperkins | don't worry about it |
| 16:10.02 | jperkins | i forgot how yo reattach anyway. |
| 16:10.04 | sandman | jperkins: Well I suppose it's just checking to make sure the resolutions that you want are actually listed in xorg.conf. |
| 16:10.06 | jperkins | to* |
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| 16:10.22 | sandman | jperkins: Otherwise, you could make like me, and just not list any resolutions in xorg.conf. |
| 16:10.26 | jperkins | yep, 1280x960 is listed. |
| 16:10.28 | crazyfrog | how to play microsoft ASF movie?anyone can help me? |
| 16:10.33 | sandman | jperkins: arg. |
| 16:10.49 | jelly-home | crazyfrog: using vlc, xine, or mplayer? |
| 16:11.22 | JohnK` | much better. |
| 16:11.30 | crazyfrog | i have used them,but did not work |
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| 16:11.51 | JohnK` | sandman: is there an alternate driver for 845x chipsets? |
| 16:11.58 | JohnK` | i know it worked fine in Ubuntu. |
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| 16:12.29 | jelly-home | !info xserver-xorg-video-intel etch |
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| 16:13.30 | JohnK` | jelly-home: was that supposed to bring something up? |
| 16:13.35 | JohnK` | cause nothing happened... |
| 16:13.45 | jelly-home | JohnK`: if it existed, yes. But it doesn't in stable. |
| 16:13.55 | JohnK` | ah... |
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| 16:15.32 | JohnK` | i should note that 1280x1024 works, but that's the wrong aspect ratio for my monitor |
| 16:15.41 | sandman | 915resolution - resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset |
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| 16:16.14 | jelly-home | crazyfrog: how did it not work in, say, mplayer? |
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| 16:17.14 | JohnK` | hmm, sandman, 915resolution 1280 960 does nothing |
| 16:17.20 | JohnK` | except output information about my chipset. |
| 16:17.26 | sandman | Right |
| 16:17.33 | jelly-home | crazyfrog: you can try the mplayer package from debian-multimedia; I don't know whether the package in Debian is still crippled |
| 16:17.34 | JohnK` | which is 845G |
| 16:17.45 | Bushmills | crazyfrog: mplayer filename.asf |
| 16:18.11 | JohnK` | er, 915resolution mode 1280 960 |
| 16:18.28 | sandman | JohnK`: You need to take the output from 915resolution and stick it in your xorg.conf, I think |
| 16:18.32 | crazyfrog | jelly-home:it just says xine not running |
| 16:18.39 | sandman | Err, no |
| 16:18.51 | sandman | /etc/default/915resolution, that's what it is |
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| 16:19.27 | crazyfrog | it can paly some file.wmv files ,some can not |
| 16:19.33 | sandman | It's all in /usr/share/doc/915resolution/README.Debian |
| 16:19.57 | Bushmills | crazyfrog: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1209226757167115482.png |
| 16:19.59 | JohnK` | okay.. i ran 915resolution -l |
| 16:20.01 | JohnK` | and 1280x960 isn't listed |
| 16:20.05 | JohnK` | -.- |
| 16:20.16 | JohnK` | it works under windows, though, and it works in Ubuntu |
| 16:20.47 | cahoot | JohnK`: xrandr -q doesn't list it either? |
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| 16:21.01 | sandman | JohnK`: I wonder if it matters if X is running when you do that. |
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| 16:21.25 | JohnK` | Anne:/home/jperkins# xrandr -q SZ: Pixels Physical Refresh |
| 16:21.25 | JohnK` | *0 1024 x 768 ( 271mm x 203mm ) *85 1 800 x 600 ( 271mm x 203mm ) 85 2 640 x 480 ( 271mm x 203mm ) 85 |
| 16:21.38 | JohnK` | not listed. |
| 16:21.59 | sandman | Turn off your Xserver, then run 915resolution -l. |
| 16:22.03 | JohnK` | okay |
| 16:22.08 | JohnK` | what's the key combo for that again? |
| 16:22.10 | JohnK` | it's been a while. |
| 16:22.13 | sandman | Well |
| 16:22.21 | sandman | If you're using GDM, this won't help you, but Ctrl+Alt+Backspace |
| 16:22.29 | JohnK` | i'm using GDM |
| 16:22.33 | sandman | If you're using gdm, /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
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| 16:22.37 | JohnK` | mmk |
| 16:22.37 | sandman | Just issue that. |
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| 16:23.14 | JohnK` | okay, x is dead. |
| 16:23.17 | sandman | Now, where was I... ah yes, testing out Debian-Installer =) |
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| 16:23.26 | sandman | JohnK`: Okay, does 915resolution list anything else |
| 16:23.48 | JohnK` | still doesn't list 1280x960 |
| 16:24.17 | sandman | Gah. |
| 16:24.18 | JohnK` | okay, first of all, what's the command to enable framebuffer mode |
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| 16:24.45 | sandman | JohnK`: Do you mean to have xorg use framebuffer for switching, or for your console to use framebuffer |
| 16:24.50 | JohnK` | console |
| 16:24.53 | JohnK` | because this is painful. |
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| 16:25.33 | sandman | I think it's actually a vga= option passed on boot |
| 16:25.41 | JohnK` | i know there's a modprobe command |
| 16:25.51 | JohnK` | i used to know it |
| 16:25.52 | JohnK` | -.- |
| 16:26.06 | sandman | Put vga=791 in your menu.lst |
| 16:26.08 | sandman | Are you using grub? |
| 16:26.11 | JohnK` | yes |
| 16:26.21 | sandman | What resolution do you want your console at |
| 16:26.29 | JohnK` | 800x600 is fine |
| 16:26.44 | sandman | Wait, I have an idea. |
| 16:26.58 | sandman | Are you intending on using 3d acceleration on that computer |
| 16:27.04 | JohnK` | no. |
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| 16:27.19 | sin_ | what's lenny's default kernel version ? |
| 16:27.21 | jelly-home | crazyfrog: please pastebin the output of "mplayer yourfile.asf" |
| 16:27.28 | JohnK` | are you gonna suggest i use VESA? |
| 16:27.42 | jelly-home | crazyfrog: also, the output of dpkg -l libc6 mplayer|tail -2 |
| 16:27.52 | JohnK` | (i'm not opposed to that) |
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| 16:28.41 | sandman | Framebuffer |
| 16:28.54 | sandman | If you can get the console using the framebuffer, then X should be able to use it at that resolution too |
| 16:29.00 | JohnK` | aah |
| 16:29.01 | JohnK` | okay |
| 16:29.04 | sandman | You wanted it at what, 1280 something? |
| 16:29.07 | JohnK` | i'd be able to watch video, right? |
| 16:29.08 | JohnK` | 1280x960 |
| 16:29.41 | jelly-home | with a nonaccelerated driver for X, it's a big maybe |
| 16:29.52 | JohnK` | :/ |
| 16:29.59 | sandman | 32-bit or 24-bit color? |
| 16:30.02 | JohnK` | 32 |
| 16:30.11 | JohnK` | jelly-home: flv, like youtube? |
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| 16:30.39 | jelly-home | JohnK`: yes. fullscreen is more problematic |
| 16:30.47 | JohnK` | ah |
| 16:30.51 | JohnK` | well i can always restart into windows for that |
| 16:30.54 | sandman | Well, then maybe this direction isn't worth te effort. |
| 16:30.58 | Bushmills | JohnK`: there is also mplayer -vo caca or mplayer -vo aa , those work on text mode console |
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| 16:31.17 | JohnK` | why doesn't the i810 driver support 1280x960 in debian, |
| 16:31.21 | JohnK` | but it did in Ubuntu? |
| 16:31.23 | JohnK` | i don't understand that |
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| 16:31.26 | JohnK` | different driver? |
| 16:31.28 | Bushmills | but it helps to put a bit of distance between screen and eyes with that |
| 16:31.31 | jelly-home | JohnK`: I didn't tell you this, but if this is a casual desktop machine, you can upgrade to lenny. |
| 16:31.46 | JohnK` | yeah, it's a causal desktop machine. |
| 16:32.01 | cr3 | how can I determine if a system is running amd64 or i386 version of the debian if the kernel version doesn't show me (probably custom compilation) |
| 16:32.02 | jelly-home | JohnK`: different versions of Xorg and its i810 (or intel) driver |
| 16:32.07 | sandman | JohnK`: BTW: I think vga=791 will get you a nice framebuffered console, but not at 1280x960 |
| 16:32.13 | JohnK` | that's fine |
| 16:32.19 | adamS | HEy guys, I'm a bit confused. I want to set a group with a gid of 2003 as owner of a /home/shared directory.. but I cant seem to figure out just how i would go about |
| 16:32.20 | JohnK` | where do i stick that again? |
| 16:32.27 | JohnK` | and i'm not opposed to upgrading to lenny either |
| 16:32.33 | JohnK` | i've always used unstable in the past |
| 16:32.39 | sandman | JohnK`: To try it, I think all you'd have to do is reboot, and when the grub entry comes up, hit "e" to edit it, and stick vga=791 to the end of the kernel line. If it works, then you can write it in permanently |
| 16:32.47 | JohnK` | k |
| 16:32.49 | JohnK` | brb, then. |
| 16:33.02 | sandman | aiight |
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| 16:34.30 | jelly-home | cr3: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 16:35.00 | cr3 | jelly-home: thanks man! |
| 16:35.05 | daniel_John | I have a problem with apt-get : E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 16:35.06 | daniel_John | E: Error occurred while processing zope3-sandbox (NewVersion1) |
| 16:35.06 | daniel_John | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_etch-backports_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 16:35.06 | daniel_John | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 16:35.34 | jelly-home | !tell daniel_John about dynamic mmap |
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| 16:35.46 | sandman | Hm. Can't someone manually append a resolution to the kernel line for what resolution to run, rather than using vga codes? |
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| 16:36.30 | JohnK` | i'm back in X. |
| 16:36.36 | JohnK` | but uh.. yeah |
| 16:36.40 | JohnK` | how do i upgrade to Lenny, then? |
| 16:36.41 | sandman | daniel_John: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
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| 16:36.48 | JohnK` | because i'll give that a try |
| 16:36.52 | sandman | JohnK`: Did the console not work |
| 16:37.09 | JohnK` | it did, but i don't really need to be in console mode anyway |
| 16:37.12 | daniel_John | sandman gracious |
| 16:37.17 | jelly-home | !etch->lenny |
| 16:37.19 | daniel_John | i mean thanks |
| 16:37.20 | sandman | JohnK`: That's true =) But you said you wanted a pretty console. |
| 16:37.25 | JohnK` | yeah |
| 16:37.27 | jelly-home | hey. |
| 16:37.29 | JohnK` | thanks ;P |
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| 16:37.51 | JohnK` | in case i'm ever stuck in console mode again. |
| 16:38.03 | crazyfrog | jelly-home :ailed to open LIRC support. You will not be able to use your remote control. |
| 16:38.04 | crazyfrog | open: No such file or directory |
| 16:38.04 | crazyfrog | [MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid |
| 16:38.04 | crazyfrog | open: No such file or directory |
| 16:38.04 | crazyfrog | [MGA] Couldn't open: /dev/mga_vid |
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| 16:38.39 | sandman | JohnK`: To finish off that topic, I think you can append other stuff to the kernel line, like exact resolutions somehow: "mode:1024x768" instead of vga=, but we can always talk about that later. |
| 16:38.49 | JohnK` | indeed. |
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| 16:39.06 | sandman | JohnK`: Alright, I suppose an upgrade to lenny couldn't hurt. |
| 16:39.06 | JohnK` | so, apparently the bot doesnt' want to tell me how to upgrade |
| 16:39.07 | jelly-home | sandman: only if the fb driver used is a decent one |
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| 16:39.23 | jelly-home | sandman: intelfb mightbe; vesafb isn't. |
| 16:39.35 | sandman | JohnK`: If you want to upgrade, just change etch lines in source.list to lenny lines, apt-get update && aptitude dist-upgrade. You may end up doing dist-upgrade several times |
| 16:39.37 | JohnK` | i always thought it was i810fb |
| 16:40.05 | sandman | There ya go |
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| 16:40.21 | jelly-home | I have vga=0x369 video=intelfb:accel=1 for my i915GM |
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| 16:40.39 | sandman | So video=i810fb:mode:1280x960, maybe =) |
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| 16:40.50 | JohnK` | so all four lines containing etch get switched to lenny? |
| 16:41.00 | JohnK` | except for the netinst CD ones |
| 16:41.00 | jelly-home | JohnK`: aye |
| 16:41.01 | JohnK` | correct? |
| 16:41.14 | jelly-home | you can comment out the cdrom line |
| 16:41.17 | sandman | I guess I don't know, since I've never owned that particular chip. Heck, I don't even know if that line would work, which is why I said to use "e" @ grub menu until its figured to work. |
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| 16:41.31 | sandman | JohnK`: Yes, what jelly said. |
| 16:42.14 | JohnK` | okay, running apt-get update |
| 16:42.38 | jelly-home | JohnK`: *nod* aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade would follow, and much downloading, configuring and breakage. :-) |
| 16:42.43 | sandman | JohnK`: BTW: You want your system to roll over to stable when lenny is moved to stable, right? |
| 16:42.48 | JohnK` | yes. |
| 16:42.57 | sandman | JohnK`: Okie, might not need pinning then. |
| 16:43.09 | jelly-home | sandman: he was instructed to use "lenny" and not "testing" |
| 16:43.20 | JohnK` | 26 minutes remaining. |
| 16:43.21 | sandman | jelly-home: Yes, he was. |
| 16:43.34 | JohnK` | so, breakage.. |
| 16:43.36 | JohnK` | that's no fun |
| 16:43.37 | JohnK` | :s |
| 16:43.38 | jelly-home | no need for needles and pins, then |
| 16:43.40 | sandman | Huh? |
| 16:44.01 | sandman | jelly-home: Yeah, I just said that. |
| 16:44.12 | sandman | jelly-home: lol are you going to argue with me about the help I'm providing? =) |
| 16:44.24 | JohnK` | i used to be far more proficient at linux |
| 16:44.25 | jelly-home | sandman: but you missed the alliteration |
| 16:44.27 | JohnK` | and then i stopped using it |
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| 16:45.19 | JohnK` | so, wait, should i expect problems, or should i expect this to go smoothly? |
| 16:45.41 | sandman | why would you aptitude update after apt-get update? |
| 16:45.45 | sandman | I never did that. |
| 16:45.59 | JohnK` | well i didn't |
| 16:46.27 | sandman | JohnK`: If it hasn't told you something is wrong already, it will most likely just go smoothly the first pass. |
| 16:46.36 | JohnK` | okay. |
| 16:46.40 | sandman | JohnK`: It didn't say anything about conflicts? |
| 16:46.40 | JohnK` | well, didn't tell me anything was wrong |
| 16:46.55 | JohnK` | it just listed a loonnnggg list of packages |
| 16:46.58 | JohnK` | and asked me if i was sure twice |
| 16:47.01 | JohnK` | and i said yes |
| 16:47.02 | sandman | JohnK`: I mean, it's fine even if it did. Likely it would just fix itself over a couple of passes of the dist-upgrade |
| 16:47.15 | sandman | Sure. That should work just peachy =) |
| 16:47.21 | dvs | JohnK`: Noooooooooo! Just kidding. ;-) |
| 16:47.24 | JohnK` | how many dist-upgrades do i run |
| 16:47.25 | sandman | lol |
| 16:47.41 | sandman | JohnK`: Well, if it didn't tell you about conflicts, then it should just work on the first pass. |
| 16:47.53 | JohnK` | okay. |
| 16:47.54 | jelly-home | barring package breakage |
| 16:47.54 | JohnK` | sweetness. |
| 16:48.01 | dvs | like swapd? |
| 16:48.06 | jelly-home | what? |
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| 16:48.21 | sandman | JohnK`: Don't listen to jelly, everything should be just fine; you can go grab a coffee or something =)_ |
| 16:48.35 | sandman | I think dvs made a mt |
| 16:48.40 | dvs | The swapd package on lenny is having trouble with its config file |
| 16:48.51 | sandman | Ah. |
| 16:48.57 | sandman | dvs: I haven't had trouble with it yet. |
| 16:49.00 | jelly-home | sandman: dunno, something always breaks when I do an overdue dist-upgrade ;-) |
| 16:49.04 | dvs | -_- |
| 16:49.05 | JohnK` | so wait, how will this help me with my video driver? will it provide a newer version? |
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| 16:49.21 | sandman | jelly-home: Overdue dist-upgrade? But this isn't overdue, etch is still the current stable |
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| 16:49.36 | sandman | jelly-home: And besides, until etch falls off the 1yr support extension it should be just fine. |
| 16:49.46 | jelly-home | JohnK`: yes, you'll get newer xorg and the video-intel driver |
| 16:49.57 | JohnK` | ^^ |
| 16:50.09 | JohnK` | oh, yeah, i forgot |
| 16:50.13 | JohnK` | i was planning on using 3d acceleration |
| 16:50.17 | JohnK` | so it would've been a problem |
| 16:50.18 | JohnK` | compiz :P |
| 16:50.18 | dtatulea_ | Hi. I am upgrading to lenny (from etch) on amd64. I'm havin some trouble updating libc6. |
| 16:50.19 | sandman | jelly-home: You mean like, dist-upgrading Hamm to Lenny? |
| 16:50.40 | sandman | jelly-home: lol that'd be a messy dist-upgrade. |
| 16:50.40 | jelly-home | sandman: no, like upgrading lenny to lenny. |
| 16:50.41 | dvs | O_O |
| 16:50.57 | dtatulea_ | It says: trying to overwrite /usr/lib64/, which is also in package binutils |
| 16:52.16 | sandman | jelly-home: Like what sort of problems? |
| 16:52.22 | sandman | I'm curious now |
| 16:52.23 | jelly-home | sandman: three months worth of updates usually makes something break |
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| 16:52.56 | sandman | jelly-home: I suppose. |
| 16:53.03 | sandman | brb |
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| 16:54.44 | biopyte | . |
| 16:54.51 | amphi | Ë |
| 16:54.54 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: Hm. Tthat's a directory, it shouldn't complain about it. |
| 16:55.16 | daniel_John | I still have the E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room error even though Ive changed the cache size to , APT::Cache-Limit "8388608"; |
| 16:55.30 | jelly-home | amphi: it's a high point in your life? |
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| 16:55.44 | jelly-home | daniel_John: make it bigger. |
| 16:55.45 | sidewalk | anyone good with risc-machines here? |
| 16:56.09 | daniel_John | jelly what size ? |
| 16:56.12 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Any suggestions? |
| 16:56.18 | jelly-home | daniel_John: dunno, double? |
| 16:56.37 | daniel_John | ok |
| 16:57.01 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: is it really a directory? ls -ld /usr/lib64 |
| 16:57.09 | amphi | jelly-home: ;) |
| 16:57.24 | daniel_John | jelly this size 16777216 ? |
| 16:57.32 | jelly-home | daniel_John: sounds nice. |
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| 16:57.41 | daniel_John | thanks |
| 16:57.50 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: No. It's a symlink. |
| 16:58.03 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: it shouldn't be ;-) |
| 16:58.19 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Should I "unlink" it? |
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| 16:58.51 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: if your disk usage allows, put it back where it's supposed to be |
| 16:59.28 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: if not, using a bind mount instead of a symlink ought to make dpkg happy |
| 16:59.50 | daniel_John | jelly yep that worked |
| 17:00.00 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Where is it supposed to be? |
| 17:00.12 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: in /usr, called lib64 :-) |
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| 17:01.01 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: I mean, remove the symlink and move the directory back where it's supposed to be |
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| 17:01.52 | mhymn | how can I update the kernel from 2.6.18 to 2.6.25? is there any patch? |
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| 17:02.42 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: note that apps _will_ break when you remove the link, and before you place the contents of /usr/lib64 back to its rightful place |
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| 17:03.47 | jelly-home | mhymn: build your own if you need it. Debian doesn't really follow the upstream kernel releases, especially not in stable. |
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| 17:04.22 | mhymn | jelly-home: ok, thanks |
| 17:05.32 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Ok, did that, now I've got a bigger problem: "Can't locate POSIX.pm in (@INC contains..."/ |
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| 17:08.05 | sandman | brb |
| 17:10.14 | jelly-home | mhymn: well, I haven't been completely honest. There's this repository "deb http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel sid main" which contains new kernel packages, but I don't know how good they are |
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| 17:11.46 | nse | I have a problem. The las time I used deborphan to remove unecessary packages apt-get removed my kernel entries in the grub boot loader. It gave me an error telling me that the boot cannot continue this way and you have to apply changes. |
| 17:12.38 | nse | I don't know what to do. I am afraid the next time I reboot the computer there will be no kernels to load. Do I need to install any of them? How can I check if everything is OK with de grub boot loader? |
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| 17:12.47 | EmleyMoor | nse: Those entries would only be removed with obsolete kernels |
| 17:12.48 | mhymn | jelly-home: I'll check that, thank you again :-) |
| 17:13.02 | jelly-home | nse: what happens when you /usr/sbin/update-grub? |
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| 17:13.20 | EmleyMoor | nse: Look at /boot/grub/menu.lst and see if a kernel is listed |
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| 17:13.48 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: I have symlinked /usr/lib64/perl and perl5 to /usr/lib |
| 17:13.57 | jelly-home | *blink* |
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| 17:14.04 | nse | jelly-home: It looks fine to me. There is a kernel and a memstest. Wow, fine: :). I thought I was lost forever. |
| 17:14.19 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: And libc6 worked....but the rest don't (like libncurses). |
| 17:14.31 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: please show the output of "ls -ld /usr/lib64" |
| 17:15.11 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: also, pastebin dpkg -S /usr/lib64/perl{,5} |
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| 17:15.58 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Do you want to see if it's a dir os symlink? It was a symlink, now I have made it a dir and added all the libs from the previous location. I will pastebin them. |
| 17:16.01 | Xiaofeng | quit |
| 17:16.21 | nse | Buit the crazy point is that the apt-get action with deborphaned packages gave me a blue screen with this written: "mpossible to boot it, (you will have to take action to change your boot loader t" and a title: Package Configuration. After ^C the font of my terminal is bold. |
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| 17:16.47 | Speedism | hey, im trying to turn off the tso for eth0 |
| 17:16.51 | Speedism | but when i do i get this error: |
| 17:16.51 | Speedism | ethtool -K eth0 tso off |
| 17:16.51 | Speedism | Cannot set device tcp segmentation offload settings: Operation not supported |
| 17:17.02 | nse | It removed my old kernels that I wish could be there in case of error in the new one. I always did this. |
| 17:17.02 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: how did you "add" them? You were supposed to mv /wherever/link/pointed/to/lib64 /usr |
| 17:17.17 | JohnK` | it's unpacking packages now.. |
| 17:17.18 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: dpkg -S says perl and perl5 not found. |
| 17:17.31 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: That's what I did. |
| 17:17.48 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: ok |
| 17:18.27 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: pastebin the output of "dpkg --configure -a", then ;-) |
| 17:19.11 | EmleyMoor | nse: I usually keep one previous kernel |
| 17:19.36 | nse | EmleyMoor: When the next one come. I'll keep the actual. |
| 17:20.00 | jelly-home | xingu: http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet/changeset/4267 |
| 17:20.37 | bvk | hi, how do i know why some package XXX is installed on my system, i.e, to meet /which/ package's dependency ? |
| 17:21.21 | EmleyMoor | bvk: Usually, aptitude will tell you |
| 17:22.18 | jelly-home | bvk: aptitude why XXX |
| 17:23.14 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/d2179090c |
| 17:23.19 | bvk | jelly-home, EmleyMoor: thanks :-) |
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| 17:24.19 | tvynr | Does anyone have any idea why putting DEFAULTDELIVERY="| tee -a /foo/bar.dat | /usr/bin/maildrop" into my /etc/courier/courierd would have no appreciable effect whatsoever? |
| 17:24.45 | tvynr | I'm trying to set up maildrop filtering for my Courier server. I've restarted the server since adding that line and no /foo/bar.dat appears. |
| 17:24.58 | tvynr | I'd expect all the test messages I'm sending through the server to wind up in that file. |
| 17:25.07 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: use packages.debian.org to search for the apparently missing "dpkg-gettext.pl"? |
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| 17:25.43 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: or, better yet, look for why the configuration of coreutils fails |
| 17:25.45 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: It seems that all the needed libs are in lib64... |
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| 17:26.17 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Tried installing coreutis, and it can't find the same file. |
| 17:26.35 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: But the file exists in /usr/lib64/dpkg... |
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| 17:27.04 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: usually, if /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postinst is a /bin/sh script, you can add "set -x" as the second line, rerun dpkg --configure packagename and see exactly which command fails |
| 17:27.06 | dtatulea_ | I'm thinking that symlinking it to /usr/lib would be wrong.. |
| 17:27.32 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: why do you do all that symlinking anyway? |
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| 17:28.07 | ootput | are any ofy ou using swiftweasel atm? |
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| 17:28.17 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: The first lib64->lib symlink wasn't done by me. The others....from lack of other knowledge. |
| 17:28.35 | EmleyMoor | wonders what swiftweasel is |
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| 17:28.43 | sandman | Crazy. I have kqemu loaded, and yet, no matter how I launch it, "info kqemu" in qemu shows that kqemu is not loaded. |
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| 17:28.56 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: your files could possibly be installed in all the wrong places now |
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| 17:29.24 | Al-Khouli | hi guys, how to solve this : symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: gzopen64 |
| 17:29.32 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Only libc6. |
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| 17:29.45 | jelly-home | hehe, "only libc6" |
| 17:30.08 | maniacxs | Hi there, i have a raid box attached over scsi to an debian box. It does only make 3,5Mb/s maximum throughput. I assume it should be faster. |
| 17:30.13 | dtatulea_ | it's not funny |
| 17:30.26 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: does "debsums libc6" report any errors? |
| 17:30.48 | maniacxs | In dmesg i see it is using as drive cache write through. I assume write back should be better. Is it possible to force this? |
| 17:30.57 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: I don;t have debsums... |
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| 17:31.34 | EmleyMoor | I would have thought that most Debian people used iceweasel |
| 17:31.56 | amphi | is trying to escape to midori |
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| 17:32.24 | tvynr | Anyone have any idea why changing the DEFAULTDELIVERY in my /etc/courier/courierd would have no appreciable effect? Mail still gets delivered, but it seems like it's being sent directly. |
| 17:32.39 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: wget -nd http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/debsums/debsums_2.0.34_all.deb && dpkg -i debsums_2.0.34_all.deb |
| 17:32.54 | Al-Khouli | Guys, i really need this please help me, how to solve: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: gzopen64 |
| 17:33.20 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: though if perl is futzed, it possibly won't work |
| 17:33.58 | jelly-home | Al-Khouli: which debian release are you using? |
| 17:34.27 | EmleyMoor | Al_Khouli: Under what circumstances is that happening? |
| 17:34.47 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: what version of zlib1g do you have? |
| 17:35.21 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, how could i know ? |
| 17:36.00 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: dpkg -l zlib1g |
| 17:36.29 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: also ls -l /usr/lib/libz.so.* |
| 17:36.31 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: I got a bunch of ok's running debsums libc6. |
| 17:37.22 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: also, dpkg -l libxml2 and ls -l /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.* |
| 17:37.23 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, /usr/lib/libz.so.1 -> libz.so.1.2.3.3 |
| 17:37.46 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2.6.31 |
| 17:37.49 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: and does the .so.1.2.3.3 file exist too? |
| 17:38.01 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: or only the link you pasted above? |
| 17:38.27 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: ok. what does "dpkg -S dpkg-gettext.pl" report, and is the file really there? what does "readlink -f /path/to/dpkg-gettext.pl" report? |
| 17:38.35 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, yes it exists |
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| 17:39.58 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: so what does COLUMNS=100 dpkg -l zlib1g libxml2 say about the package versions? |
| 17:40.34 | \amethyst | also, are you running sid or lenny? |
| 17:40.38 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: The file is reported in /usr/lib/dpkg.... but it's not there, it's in lib64 |
| 17:41.10 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: and who knows what else is in the wrong place |
| 17:41.22 | Al-Khouli | iU libxml2 2.6.31.dfsg-2ubuntu GNOME XML library ii zlib1g 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-7ubu compression library - runtime |
| 17:41.38 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, that's it |
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| 17:41.46 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Well...suggestions? |
| 17:41.47 | amphi | 'ubuntu'? |
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| 17:41.51 | asg | amphi: iU |
| 17:42.00 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: hm, you might try asking #ubuntu. One more thing though |
| 17:42.17 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: does ldd /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 list libz in its output? |
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| 17:42.58 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, yes : libz.so.1 => /home/tamer/mono-1.2.6/lib/libz.so.1 (0xb7eac000) |
| 17:43.04 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: reinstall all the packages that are supposed to have files in /usr/lib/dpkg |
| 17:43.13 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, btw, this mono caused me problems |
| 17:43.17 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: oh |
| 17:43.26 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: that sounds wrong |
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| 17:43.48 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: dpkg -S /usr/lib/dpkg will help. Also, is /usr/lib/dpkg a symlink as well? |
| 17:43.57 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: did you set LD_LIBRARY_PATH, or add something to /etc/ld.so.conf, for this mono thing? |
| 17:44.04 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, yes |
| 17:44.06 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: the one installed under /home/tamer I mean |
| 17:44.11 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: well, there's your problem |
| 17:44.26 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: those libraries are getting tried before the distribution's libraries |
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| 17:44.37 | Al-Khouli | aha |
| 17:44.49 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: There is no /usr/lib/dpkg, just /usr/lib64/dpkg. |
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| 17:45.18 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: where? in the dpkg output? on the filesystem? |
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| 17:45.31 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH results in /lib:/home/tamer/mono-1.2.6/lib: |
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| 17:46.20 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: don't set LD_LIBRARY_PATH except when you're running a mono program that needs it |
| 17:46.30 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, i don't use mono anymore |
| 17:46.42 | Al-Khouli | it screwed me |
| 17:46.45 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: get rid of whatever is setting the LD_LIBRARY_PATH then |
| 17:47.04 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, in ~/.bashrc i have this line : |
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| 17:47.17 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/lib:/home/tamer/mono-1.2.6/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH" |
| 17:47.39 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: get rid of that line, then log out and back in |
| 17:47.48 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: you're not the first person to have this issue btw |
| 17:47.48 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, i am afraid i won't be able to |
| 17:47.51 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: http://dufoli.wordpress.com/2007/12/23/libxml2so-issue-with-mono-126/ |
| 17:48.02 | Al-Khouli | \amethyst, i am in the middle of upgrade |
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| 17:48.12 | jelly-home | wtf do they bring own zlib anyway? |
| 17:48.36 | nvz | ugh.. haven't been able to get online all day yesturday then I put the dish on the laptop and it works fine |
| 17:48.37 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: remove it from the file anyway |
| 17:48.51 | \amethyst | Al-Khouli: then at your shell you can type unset LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 17:48.55 | lluish | hi all |
| 17:48.59 | nvz | I don't know if my usb controller is just dying or if I maybe need a newer kernel with a more mature driver |
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| 17:49.41 | nvz | I think its probably the USB controller since I know its all screwed up and the adapter was working before.. I think my USB host controller is on its last leg |
| 17:49.50 | nvz | time to buy a new computer.. heh |
| 17:50.19 | Entheogen | can someone tell me how to view how menu clients are connected to my wlan? |
| 17:50.25 | xuser | does the README.Debian.gz files are created in a special or just using a editor? |
| 17:50.40 | Pq2son2 | any one remember how add to resolv.conf domains and ip address?? |
| 17:50.50 | EmleyMoor | Entheogen: What kind of access point is it? |
| 17:50.55 | jelly-home | xuser: those are normal text files, just compressed with gzip |
| 17:50.59 | asg | xuser: zless (or zmore) /path/to/file |
| 17:51.12 | xuser | Pq2son2: nameserver domain.ip |
| 17:51.30 | Entheogen | EmleyMoor, i made adhoc network on gateway computer and setup dhcp server.. so praticlly i have software access point :) |
| 17:51.45 | xuser | yeah I was wondering how they were created since they are structure nicely and all. |
| 17:51.52 | EmleyMoor | Entheogen: Debian acting as the gateway? |
| 17:51.53 | Pq2son2 | How this? "nameserver pq2son2labtop 192.168.0.1" |
| 17:51.58 | Entheogen | yep |
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| 17:52.23 | Pq2son2 | sorry xuser, now I remember it |
| 17:52.30 | Pq2son2 | it's to /etc/hosts |
| 17:52.42 | Pq2son2 | :) thanks man |
| 17:52.47 | EmleyMoor | Entheogen: Well, I have to say I don't actually know the answer, if there is one, but the question is on topic |
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| 17:56.23 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: On the file system. |
| 17:56.27 | nvz | I;m actually hitting a lot of sites lately that refuse to work in anything but firefox. heh |
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| 17:56.36 | nvz | it used to be sites wanting you to use IE |
| 17:57.20 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: But dpkg -S tells me that it's located in /usr/lib/dpkg. Shoul I reinstall the packages? |
| 17:57.39 | noohgodno | nvz: try making a site with more than 400 lines of markup and you'll understand |
| 17:57.46 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: dpkg-dev,apt,dpkg,dselect |
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| 17:58.03 | noohgodno | IE seems like it was patched together by monkeys |
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| 17:58.26 | nvz | noohgodno: its a pima right now cause I don't want to use firefox on windows cause it doesn't have any plugins installed and I want to watch clips on the windows box while I chat on the debian one |
| 17:58.36 | nvz | but the site refuses to play the clips in IE |
| 17:58.46 | EmleyMoor | noohgodno: s/seems like it// |
| 17:58.46 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: you should. |
| 17:58.59 | nvz | seems like a hassle to install the plugins for FF when I have IE with the plugins already |
| 17:59.10 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: make sure /usr/lib/dpkg is not a symlink before doing that |
| 17:59.20 | noohgodno | so install the plugins |
| 17:59.22 | noohgodno | takes a minute |
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| 17:59.34 | noohgodno | or better yet use epiphany to watch, miranda IM to chat |
| 18:00.03 | nvz | noohgodno: yeah but if I had it my way I wouldn't have flash player at all.. installing it twice on the same machine for two different browsers just cause some web developer wants to be a smart ass kinda pisses me off |
| 18:00.13 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Should I remove the perl symlinks that I did (and messed up everything)? I guess I should. |
| 18:00.22 | noohgodno | epiphany is a mozilla branch nvz |
| 18:00.40 | nvz | epiphany has nothing to do with this :-P |
| 18:00.41 | noohgodno | what works for firefox works for epiphany, in a general sense, obviously plenty doesn't |
| 18:00.47 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: get rid of every manual symlink you did in /usr, right |
| 18:00.54 | noohgodno | o-k |
| 18:00.57 | Sam1337 | I'm running closed source software on my debian pc :( |
| 18:01.05 | nvz | like I said I want to IRC on the debian box and surf on the vista one which doesnt have epiphany |
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| 18:01.09 | smhar | I have both python2.4 and 2.5 installed. I am trying to install the driver for vodafone mobile device that requires python2.5 but claims it is not available. the exact error is: vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux depends on python (>= 2.5); however: Version of python on system is 2.4.4-6 |
| 18:01.11 | Sam1338 | ha |
| 18:01.14 | smhar | how to solve this |
| 18:01.20 | nvz | I could just use putty on the windows box then do the web browsing on here |
| 18:01.38 | nvz | then I would actually be doing everything on debian but using the windows box for the DUMB terminal it is |
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| 18:01.45 | jelly-home | smhar: that package isn't made for your debian release |
| 18:01.48 | maligor | Sam1337, this isn't Closedsource Anonymous |
| 18:02.05 | Sam1338 | smhar: python 2.5 includes support for things written in 2.4.x |
| 18:02.11 | Sam1338 | uninstall the old one |
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| 18:02.48 | jelly-home | Sam1338: that's a bad idea, and won't get him "python (>= 2.5)" |
| 18:02.56 | smhar | jelly-home: the package is apparently for etch. but I was hoping to run in in lenny |
| 18:03.18 | jelly-home | smhar: that package is _not_ for etch |
| 18:04.11 | smhar | jelly-home: I meant the vodafone one |
| 18:04.31 | jelly-home | smhar: me too |
| 18:04.40 | smhar | jelly-home: http://vodafonebetavine.net/web/linux_drivers the one for debian |
| 18:05.07 | jelly-home | smhar: etch, and even lenny, don't have python package versioned 2.5. ask your third party provider to fix the dependency and use python2.5 explicitely |
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| 18:05.34 | JohnK` | okay, the distupgrade worked |
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| 18:05.38 | JohnK` | and it's using new drivers |
| 18:05.42 | jelly-home | smhar: that dependency is only satisfied in unstable, at this time |
| 18:05.46 | JohnK` | but it keeps setting my monitor to a refresh rate it doesn't support |
| 18:05.54 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Just realized something: if i uninstall dpkg and apt, how will I put them back? |
| 18:06.00 | JohnK` | and not even dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg seems t be capable of fixing that |
| 18:06.05 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: you don't uninstall them |
| 18:06.10 | JohnK` | or changing my xorg.conf manually |
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| 18:06.31 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: just do dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/package_... |
| 18:07.02 | sandman_ | If I mknod a special file in /dev, when I reboot, it will disappear, yes? |
| 18:07.08 | jelly-home | JohnK`: ok. which driver are you using at present, i810 or intel? |
| 18:07.36 | JohnK` | jelly-home: intel. |
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| 18:08.58 | jelly-home | JohnK`: ok. did you try to limit VertRefresh when reconfiguring? |
| 18:09.16 | JohnK` | hmm.. i can try again. |
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| 18:10.19 | JohnK` | wait, jelly-home, when? |
| 18:11.17 | jelly-home | JohnK`: I haven't done it in a while, but dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is supposed to ask you a series of questions |
| 18:12.09 | jelly-home | JohnK`: if you chose the advanced method of configuring the monitor, it would ask for a vertical refresh frequency range among other things |
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| 18:15.09 | smhar | jelly-home: found the Source and compiled successfully. It is running now. it just needs to fill the configuration info which I do not have.. will check in the morning with ISP.. thanks anyway |
| 18:15.19 | arcsky | Some good with mail forms ? I got problem with my code http://pastebin.com/m4b87ad43 |
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| 18:15.23 | arcsky | It sends a mail but it doesnt look so good |
| 18:16.18 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Something must be wrong. All the packages got installed under /usr/lib/. |
| 18:16.31 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: that's good. |
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| 18:16.55 | Gryfelhase | Hi. I made an error and deletet the partition opf my external harddisc. How can I recover the partition with its contents ? (Didn't wrote so far onto it) |
| 18:16.58 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Ok, then why does apt-get want a newer version of libstdc++ |
| 18:17.00 | dtatulea_ | ? |
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| 18:17.09 | jperkins | hrm.. |
| 18:17.12 | jperkins | no joy.. |
| 18:17.19 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: And it's looking for it in lib64? |
| 18:17.32 | jperkins | my monitor acts like it's switing resolutions, shuts off, and then i hear the login beep. |
| 18:17.33 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: (unless you meant "all the files supposed to be in /usr/lib/dpkg have now appeared in /usr/lib/.) |
| 18:18.02 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: /usr/lib/dpkg is there now. |
| 18:18.10 | crazyfrog | is there any tool like amule ,but conf easier |
| 18:18.35 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: I'd much prefer real commands and complete output instead of "is looking for it in lib64" |
| 18:18.37 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Now I saw that there is a /usr/lib64/dpkg as well.... |
| 18:19.11 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Sorry, I'm typing on another computer. |
| 18:19.16 | jelly-home | ah |
| 18:19.42 | jperkins | hrm.. |
| 18:19.49 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: does "dpkg -S /usr/lib64/dpkg" report anything? |
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| 18:19.55 | jperkins | i'm not sure if it's trying to set an invalid refrash rate, or if it's just shutting my monitor off. |
| 18:20.22 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: not found |
| 18:20.55 | jelly-home | jperkins: you could try taking a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log, pastebin it, maybe someone can figure it out |
| 18:21.32 | tvynr | Hmm. |
| 18:21.33 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: so anything that's in there got there by mistake |
| 18:21.36 | tvynr | Courier is running as user "daemon" but /usr/bin/maildrop is running as user "mail". |
| 18:21.47 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: wipe it (or move to a harmless place) |
| 18:21.48 | tvynr | This is causing a "Home directory owned by wrong user" when maildrop tries to deliver. |
| 18:21.59 | tvynr | Any idea why they run as different users? |
| 18:22.07 | tvynr | I guess I'd expect Courier to run as "mail" as well. |
| 18:22.25 | jperkins | jelly-home: i'm stuck in console mode, how do i pastebin it? -.- |
| 18:22.33 | jelly-home | !pastebin pipe |
| 18:22.33 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. |
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| 18:24.18 | jperkins | oh wtf, it's trying to use 1440x900 |
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| 18:25.36 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: I did. Here's the output from an "apt-get update" : "apt-get:/usr/lib64/libstdc++/so.6: version 'GLIBCXX_3.4.9' not found (required by /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6.4.6)". |
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| 18:26.22 | lilferry | hmm, I got a sapphire hd 3850 card. I just installed the fglrx driver but it doesnt detect my card |
| 18:26.49 | lilferry | yes, I also installed the kernel module |
| 18:27.20 | Bushmills | i suggest to declare this day henceforth "day of nuclear power" |
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| 18:27.55 | Bushmills | considering that today 22 years ago tchernobyl suffered from core meltdown, this would be just adequate |
| 18:28.07 | professor_ | Hi |
| 18:28.31 | SamuraiDio | can someone help me with an iptable issue? |
| 18:29.09 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Btw. Thanks for helping me do this. |
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| 18:29.41 | SamuraiDio | i can't connect to an mmorpg server and i need neet o check where is the problem (i'm behind two gateways) |
| 18:29.41 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: It seems close to a resolution... |
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| 18:30.11 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: so reinstall libstdc++6 as well |
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| 18:30.33 | dtatulea_ | dtatulea_: I did. The latest in my cache. |
| 18:30.38 | jelly-home | hm |
| 18:30.46 | dtatulea_ | dtatulea_: I reinstalled two times :) |
| 18:31.04 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: dpkg -l libstdc++6 apt|tail -2 ? |
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| 18:32.47 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/d4bd10c39 |
| 18:33.07 | jelly-home | looks find |
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| 18:33.32 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: ldd -v `which apt-get`? |
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| 18:34.48 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/d3f42a00a |
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| 18:36.30 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: hm. I have the exact same versions of both (but on i386), and libstdc++6 has the symbol in question here. |
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| 18:37.15 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: You mean GLIBCXX_? |
| 18:37.31 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: GLIBCXX_3.4.9 |
| 18:37.43 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: How about downgrading libstdc++? |
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| 18:38.03 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: How about downgrading or libc6? |
| 18:38.25 | moos3 | how can I make python2.5 the main python version installed? |
| 18:38.34 | jelly-home | moos3: you can't |
| 18:38.36 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: I meant: or libc6. |
| 18:39.03 | jelly-home | moos3: what you can do, is use /usr/bin/python2.5 explicitely |
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| 18:39.32 | nvz | haha, I just ran ntpdate and xscreensaver locked my screen.. |
| 18:39.43 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: just for fun, does debsums libstdc++6 look ok? |
| 18:40.03 | moos3 | man that means I need to write a pile of stuff dam |
| 18:40.09 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: yep. |
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| 18:40.57 | rocketmagnet | hi, when i have a user x, how can i add a group to this user ? |
| 18:41.17 | nvz | rocketmagnet: adduser x group |
| 18:41.36 | nvz | rocketmagnet: provided that the group already exists |
| 18:41.44 | rocketmagnet | the user is allready created |
| 18:41.45 | nvz | rocketmagnet: that will add them to the group |
| 18:42.06 | nvz | rocketmagnet: adduser isn't only for creating users |
| 18:42.08 | nvz | it also adds them to groups |
| 18:42.20 | nvz | if you RTFM you would know that |
| 18:42.24 | rocketmagnet | adduser myuser group thegroup ? |
| 18:42.42 | nvz | for example to add myself to the already existing audio group.. |
| 18:42.46 | nvz | adduser nvz audio |
| 18:42.57 | nvz | then when I logout and back in, I am a member of the audio group |
| 18:43.19 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Wait a minute. Debsums reports /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.10. |
| 18:43.34 | nvz | if you specify a group that isn't created you will get and error saying such |
| 18:43.47 | nvz | you would have to use addgroup to make the group first |
| 18:43.56 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: But apt-get looks in lib64. I should delete those (or move them out of the way)... |
| 18:44.28 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: hm, no. |
| 18:44.52 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: just to be sure, you _are_ on amd64? :-) |
| 18:45.24 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Yes. |
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| 18:46.15 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: what does /usr/lib64/libstdc++.so.6 point to? |
| 18:46.23 | nvz | rocketmagnet: better now? |
| 18:46.41 | rocketmagnet | is there a certain group a user must be part of to be able to start x11 apps so they find the screen ? |
| 18:46.55 | nvz | rocketmagnet: no you are curious about the MIT magic cookie |
| 18:47.02 | nvz | !MIT magic cookie |
| 18:47.02 | dpkg | mit-magic-cookie is probably a key that a client application is required to possess in order to use your X11 display. Running xhost + removes this requirement which is why you should never use xhost (ask me about <xhost>). The xauth utility is in the package xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) and is used to manipulate the mit-magic-cookie; ask me about <mit-magic-cookie export>. For other, easier ways of running apps as another user, ask me about ... |
| 18:47.11 | zinx | rocketmagnet: they must have DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY set properly, and have access to the auth file |
| 18:47.18 | nvz | !xauth |
| 18:47.18 | dpkg | somebody said xauth was the mechanism for sharing around authorisation for clients to connect to your X server. Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie> for more information. The xauth program is in the xbase-clients package (sarge and etch) or in the xauth package from lenny onwards. See also http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html or ask me about <sshx>. |
| 18:47.31 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: also. ls -ld /usr/lib /usr/lib64 |
| 18:47.51 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: ls -lh /usr/lib*/libstdc++.so.6: http://pastebin.com/d5b5dd80e |
| 18:47.53 | nvz | rocketmagnet: but not asking the right question, caused you to learn two things ;) |
| 18:48.11 | rocketmagnet | that |
| 18:48.15 | rocketmagnet | s not a problem =) |
| 18:48.42 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: does apt-get work if you mv /usr/lib64 /usr/lib64foo |
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| 18:49.13 | nvz | rocketmagnet: you can always /msg dpkg to call up those factiods for reminders, but you have to be in here or another channel with the bot for it to respond to you |
| 18:49.22 | dtatulea_ | dtatulea_: This is a scary move, but I'll try. |
| 18:49.38 | simonrvn | simonrvn: i don't know |
| 18:49.40 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: It works. |
| 18:49.45 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: yeah. You seem to have the amd64 library in both /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 |
| 18:49.48 | rocketmagnet | nvz: i know, dpkg is a great help |
| 18:49.53 | nvz | rocketmagnet: the blootbots quite helpful if you learn to use them |
| 18:50.04 | simonrvn | s,bloot,info, |
| 18:50.07 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: dpkg -S /usr/lib64, and reinstall everything in there ;-) |
| 18:50.17 | nvz | simonrvn: the blootbot is dead now? |
| 18:50.32 | simonrvn | no, just renamed to infobot |
| 18:50.35 | nvz | ah |
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| 18:50.42 | simonrvn | the old infobot is dead |
| 18:50.47 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: I guess you can use "dpkg --configure -a" now? |
| 18:50.47 | nvz | I was just talking about that package yesterday |
| 18:51.13 | nvz | n3kl, wanted to know how to help debian and said programming was out of the question cause he was only fluent in perl.. heh |
| 18:51.21 | nvz | I was like debian is practically 70% perl |
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| 18:51.40 | nvz | and packages like that bot with no documentation aren't bad places to start |
| 18:52.30 | nvz | seems to me when you look at the core of debian's installer and packaging stuff perl is everywhere |
| 18:52.53 | simonrvn | yes, it is. even down to libapt option settings |
| 18:53.08 | rocketmagnet | nvz: so i realy need xauth ? |
| 18:53.15 | nvz | rocketmagnet: of course |
| 18:53.19 | jelly-home | cdebconf ftw! |
| 18:53.27 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 18:54.04 | nvz | rocketmagnet: there is a reason for X being secured.. its not just a graphics engine, its a server process |
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| 18:54.12 | nvz | rocketmagnet: it listens on sockets |
| 18:54.40 | jelly-home | it's a bloated piece of @$% running as root and messing with your hardware, is what it is |
| 18:54.42 | nvz | X is complex, I wouldn't undermine its security features |
| 18:54.50 | nvz | jelly-home: haha, shut up ;) |
| 18:55.00 | simonrvn | and setuid... |
| 18:55.03 | nvz | jelly-home: go play in your virtual console |
| 18:55.57 | nvz | fires up bzflag to see if this legacy driver that was running his TNT2 is actually working with the 5200FX or just acting like it |
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| 18:56.35 | jelly-home | people have made special concessions to linux kernel scheduler to make X work better |
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| 18:57.12 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Now this is weird, after doing an apt-get upgrade: http://pastebin.com/d3b5d4d03 |
| 18:57.34 | rocketmagnet | nvz: i understand that, server-client thing, but i don't realy understand how to allow say x access to y display |
| 18:57.38 | simonrvn | jelly-home: i suppose that's why it doesn't need nice-ing now (X) |
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| 18:58.05 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: that's not weird, that's the first common error I've seen from your machine today ;-) |
| 18:58.12 | jelly-home | !dynamic mmap |
| 18:58.12 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 18:58.20 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: :) |
| 18:58.27 | enouf | nvz: hrm, got a tnt2 here also - do you find the nivida proprietary driver helps at all over xorg's nv with stuff like pdfs? (i really wouldn't think so) |
| 18:58.57 | nvz | fires up bzflag to see if this legacy driver that was running his TNT2 is actually working with the 5200FX or just acting like it |
| 18:59.15 | jelly-home | simonrvn: yes. They don't actually look for X, but rather "if the process acts in these few very specific ways, make it work better" |
| 18:59.16 | nvz | enouf: I have no idea I never use nv |
| 18:59.29 | nvz | enouf: I just use the nvidia drivers they are easy to setup and work good |
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| 18:59.51 | minus | Gah! I hate debians homepage, you can't find anything on it! Can someone find me the place where I can download Debian Sid ISOs? Can you also answer this question: Does the BCM94311MCG rev 02 nativly work in debian sid? Cause it doesn't work in Ubuntu 8.04. |
| 19:00.05 | jelly-home | minus: there are no sid isos |
| 19:00.10 | simonrvn | jelly-home: oh, probably in a more general sense then, and probably to a greater extent depending on the scheduler used, too |
| 19:00.20 | enouf | well, ok, but i was going to try them, but ok, thanks |
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| 19:00.26 | simonrvn | minus: like jelly-home said, there aren't any |
| 19:00.30 | nvz | I thought someone made weekly builds of testing/unstable |
| 19:00.33 | minus | jelly-home: There sure is.. Cause I've downloaded one before.. :/ |
| 19:00.46 | petemc | not an official one |
| 19:00.49 | minus | simonrvn: how the hell am I supposed to be able to install debian sid then? |
| 19:00.49 | enouf | sorry, my last was meant for you nvz |
| 19:01.01 | jelly-home | minus: you may have found the debian installed weekly builds |
| 19:01.08 | jelly-home | installer* |
| 19:01.11 | simonrvn | if you have to ask... don't |
| 19:01.15 | nvz | enouf: you need a really old legacy package for the TNT2 the latest ones don't work |
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| 19:01.37 | nvz | enouf: I thought I would need to recompile for the 5200FX, but I put it in and it seems to be working with the same driver as the TNT2 |
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| 19:01.58 | enouf | nvz: cool |
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| 19:02.08 | FabParma | What is the most reliable program to clone Whole hd's based on GNU/Linux using ext2 and ext3? Thank You in advance |
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| 19:02.18 | becks` | hi, i get that error when i try to login using putty, could it be that it's because the disk is full? "No supported authentication methods available" |
| 19:02.21 | minus | jelly-home: Do you know a good place where I can get isos then? And do you know the answer to my second question? |
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| 19:02.37 | jelly-home | minus: usually making some hardware work boils down to newer kernel and/or separate newer drivers, not installing a whole new release |
| 19:02.48 | enouf | nvz: i don't need them, but if they helped with pdfs, i'd consider it, since there seems to be no way out |
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| 19:03.09 | nvz | FabParma: I'd never actually done that, but dd is on every system and can do it.. there are however graphical alternatives that can even be booted from a live cd and can make gzips, bz2s, isos.. whatever |
| 19:03.17 | jelly-home | !d-i |
| 19:03.17 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 19:03.34 | nvz | enouf: I don't use pdfs much but never had any issues when I did |
| 19:03.59 | jelly-home | minus: if you still think the newer installer will help, visit that http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ page |
| 19:04.17 | nvz | rocketmagnet: what EXACTLY are you trying to do? |
| 19:04.20 | FabParma | nvz: dd is'nt on bootable cd's? |
| 19:04.23 | enouf | nvz: they're slow as shit |
| 19:04.35 | nvz | rocketmagnet: if you explain what you are going for we can help you setup something that will work |
| 19:04.47 | enouf | nvz: and waiting for a redrawing of the screen is not acceptable ;-) |
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| 19:05.05 | enouf | nvz: just to scroll a half a page even |
| 19:05.13 | nvz | FabParma: yeah dd, is on practically everything.. I just wasn't sure if you wanted to read and understand how to use a utility like dd, or if you were looking for a WYSIWYG GUI type thing |
| 19:05.17 | minus | jelly-home: well.. what I want is a linuxinstallation where I don't have to recompile the whole kernel to get the WLAN card to work. |
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| 19:05.39 | enouf | nvz: funny how in win98 on same exact system, an 1100 page pdf has no issues |
| 19:05.43 | rocketmagnet | nvz: i want to run x11 application from the console with another user than the one that is logged in |
| 19:05.44 | nvz | enouf: hah, well yeah no point in having an accelerator you're not using. |
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| 19:06.01 | nvz | enouf: even if its not much of one |
| 19:06.09 | jelly-home | minus: can't help you there, such is the state with linux drivers for new hardware. |
| 19:06.17 | nvz | rocketmagnet: if you use sudo it should just work |
| 19:06.30 | Bushmills | xhost probably needed too |
| 19:06.32 | nvz | rocketmagnet: gksu, gnome-sudo are others |
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| 19:06.39 | Azar | hello honorables! |
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| 19:06.57 | nvz | rocketmagnet: synaptic, the package manager uses gksu to allow you to run the graphical package manager as root, it handles all xauth for you |
| 19:07.14 | enouf | nvz: right - well i have other newer hardware if i wanted to game in 3d or use 3d rendering software or whatever |
| 19:07.20 | FabParma | nvz: I am looking for the most reilable, does not matter if it is difficult to learn it |
| 19:07.40 | minus | jelly-home: what kernel does debian sid use then? and what does lenny use? |
| 19:07.44 | sandman | How do I selected which Java interpreter to use by default in Ethc? |
| 19:07.46 | sandman | Etch, rather. |
| 19:07.55 | jelly-home | enouf: apps using win98 GDI are much closer to hardware than a GTK or Qt app is |
| 19:08.01 | nvz | enouf: yeah but I still think taking some load off the cpu by using the video drivers will help |
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| 19:08.23 | nvz | FabParma: well dd is the oldest method for imaging things |
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| 19:08.56 | enouf | jelly-home: anything that can be done to alleviate the pain? |
| 19:08.58 | nvz | FabParma: its just real low-level about how it does things and its all command line |
| 19:09.16 | enouf | nvz: i was thinkomg that too |
| 19:09.19 | nvz | FabParma: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=hda1.img is a basic idea |
| 19:09.21 | rocketmagnet | nvz: i'll look into it |
| 19:09.57 | jelly-home | minus: use packages.debian.org or something like /msg dpkg info linux-image-2.6-686 testing ... to find out |
| 19:10.13 | enouf | nvz: but as you say, i need older software, and besides, my main usage kernel is a .16 (even though i have built and have booted into .22 - .24+) |
| 19:10.17 | FabParma | nvz: Thank You for suggest me |
| 19:10.45 | nvz | FabParma: partimage is the graphical thing I think I used once.. I believe their are live cd images available online, but its also in debian |
| 19:11.07 | rocketmagnet | nvz: ty, i have to go now |
| 19:11.07 | enouf | nvz: so, where could i get what i need? oldstable repos? sdn? other? |
| 19:11.51 | nvz | FabParma: it |
| 19:12.11 | nvz | enouf: I have no idea, I'd never been able to get the debian nvidia method to work I just goto nvidia.com |
| 19:12.15 | jelly-home | enouf: how much memory do you have? |
| 19:12.28 | enouf | jelly-home: 320M |
| 19:12.29 | nvz | enouf: seems like one nvidia package or another is always broken when I need them |
| 19:12.42 | enouf | jelly-home: card is agp 32M |
| 19:12.49 | jelly-home | enouf: hm, so that shouldn't be the problem |
| 19:13.03 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: I'm dead. I have so many dependencies to fix that it would take me one day or two... |
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| 19:13.06 | enouf | jelly-home: problem for? |
| 19:13.07 | nvz | hmm I thought partimage had at least a curses UI |
| 19:13.15 | enouf | with? |
| 19:13.17 | nvz | thought ncurses isn't a dependency |
| 19:13.21 | nvz | so I guess not |
| 19:13.29 | jelly-home | enouf: slow refresh of windows |
| 19:13.46 | nvz | I swear I used something before that does the exact same thing and it had either a curses UI or a GTK UI |
| 19:13.46 | minus | jelly-home: what kernel does debian sid use then? and what does lenny useing the same kernel |
| 19:13.55 | nvz | maybe it was just different on the live cd I had |
| 19:14.06 | jelly-home | minus: I just told you how to look it up |
| 19:14.26 | jelly-home | minus: /msg dpkg info linux-image-2.6-686 sid |
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| 19:14.30 | enouf | nvz: i might try nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6-686 - NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for 686 and nvidia-glx-legacy-71xx - NVIDIA binary Xorg driver (71xx legacy version) ? |
| 19:14.49 | alex111 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:14.52 | nvz | checks |
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| 19:15.10 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: well, did at least "dpkg --configure -a" work? |
| 19:15.56 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: yes. or...at least..there where no errors... |
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| 19:16.14 | Azar | mannnn... it is a nightmare to be a programmer... you got a whole world of "other programmers" waiting to chop you up |
| 19:16.29 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: and what does "aptitude dist-upgrade" say after that? |
| 19:16.30 | enouf | cuts like a knife? |
| 19:17.02 | Azar | enouf: problem is no other programmer can agree with another programmer's style |
| 19:17.07 | nvz | enouf: I don't seem to have the package I installed anymore.. I'm not sure which one it is but I think 7199 sounds about right |
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| 19:17.26 | jelly-home | Azar: this is why we have project managers and code style. |
| 19:17.35 | enouf | nvz: got it - thanks - no worries ;-) |
| 19:17.43 | enouf | nvz: if i break it, i fix ;-) |
| 19:17.49 | Azar | jelly-home: indeed that looks much better for Debian |
| 19:18.12 | jelly-home | Azar: "we" = people that work in IT, not = Debian |
| 19:18.16 | nvz | enouf: yeah.. let me know how that goes.. I should probably be using the debian one instead of this one my package manager is oblivious to |
| 19:18.23 | Azar | remembers about dpkg issue |
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| 19:18.44 | enouf | nvz: the only thing about say the nvidia.com way is i'll never know just what it does, what files it installs where, what exisiting files it touches or modifies, etc |
| 19:18.49 | Azar | jelly-home: what about your own ideas? what if they get rejected by the Co. ? |
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| 19:19.10 | nvz | enouf: yeah. but if you run it again, it will clean up after itself |
| 19:19.27 | enouf | nvz: well, not sure if i trust them ;-) |
| 19:19.55 | Azar | you work weeks, months to put something together, then it comes the day when it gets reviewed by others.. brrr... |
| 19:19.56 | enouf | nvz: but will let you know .. when i get around to it - i'm not in a hurry ;-) |
| 19:20.08 | jelly-home | Azar: it's a team effort, those aren't my ideas. |
| 19:20.11 | nvz | enouf: its always "just worked" which is why I've always used it.. I don't touch that sort of thing often and back when I moved to nVidia from my S3 Prosuckage4 the packages in debian kep wrapping me up in broken package errors and it was just too much like work |
| 19:20.29 | ntadmin | hi, i'm newbie in Linux |
| 19:20.30 | enouf | nvz: i understand |
| 19:20.35 | nvz | !newbie |
| 19:20.35 | dpkg | methinks newbie is someone who is new to linux or debian, and should read the docs (/usr/share/doc/) |
| 19:20.43 | nvz | !n00b |
| 19:20.43 | dpkg | methinks n00b is l33t jargon for newbie. |
| 19:20.43 | ntadmin | =) |
| 19:20.59 | Azar | ntadmin: linux.... what distro? |
| 19:21.04 | enouf | nvz: good thing i think, i have this ECS mATX mobo here that i'm pretty sure can use the openchrome.org driver |
| 19:21.06 | ntadmin | i have installed a network card dlink in my debian |
| 19:21.08 | jelly-home | Azar: and if you're working unattended for months with no relation to other people's work, something's wrong, IMHO |
| 19:21.18 | ntadmin | but i don't know how install it |
| 19:21.23 | nvz | I don't know what happened to the factoid that is suppose to say "you don't have to say you're a newbie we can tell!" |
| 19:21.25 | ntadmin | i have the driver in cd |
| 19:21.42 | enouf | nvz: the k8m800 onboard chipset crap - or - i could throw an agp 8x card in it |
| 19:21.47 | nvz | ntadmin: is it an ethernet or wifi card? |
| 19:21.53 | ntadmin | ethernet |
| 19:21.59 | nvz | ntadmin: PCI? |
| 19:22.00 | Azar | jelly-home: but on the other hand don't you think you get stuck into a pattern standard specific to your company only? |
| 19:22.04 | ntadmin | yeah |
| 19:22.12 | nvz | ntadmin: are you running debian right now with it in there? |
| 19:22.13 | enouf | nvz: there have been some bot cleaners roaming about |
| 19:22.25 | nvz | enouf: yeah trying to make them more politically correct |
| 19:22.26 | ntadmin | yes, in my other computer is running debian |
| 19:22.34 | nvz | enouf: I think its all cause we are like the bad #debian now |
| 19:22.41 | nvz | and the bots sit in oftc also |
| 19:22.57 | enouf | nvz: most of it's good, some though seems a bit tyrannical ;-) |
| 19:23.12 | nvz | I don't even goto oftc very often.. I like freenode.. there is a HUGE support community here not only for debian but other things too |
| 19:23.27 | nvz | enouf: I'm not upset about it.. I'm glad there are options |
| 19:23.33 | enouf | nvz: i hang in both, but mostly here |
| 19:23.33 | ntadmin | nvz: i'm running debian now with the network in there |
| 19:23.34 | jelly-home | Azar: of course you do! |
| 19:23.40 | nvz | enouf: I'd personally recommend anyone to come here, unless they are cry babies |
| 19:23.40 | enouf | nvz: sure |
| 19:23.42 | nvz | or morons |
| 19:23.49 | enouf | bingo |
| 19:23.53 | nvz | then I'll tell them annoy people on OFTC |
| 19:23.56 | nvz | cause I'm not there |
| 19:23.57 | nvz | heh |
| 19:24.04 | enouf | heh |
| 19:24.06 | Azar | allways comes on freenode only... just used to here |
| 19:24.10 | ntadmin | the onboard ethernet debian recognized |
| 19:24.25 | nvz | ntadmin: type lspci as root and see if you can get some info about exactly what chipset that is |
| 19:24.37 | ntadmin | wait |
| 19:24.52 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Seems to pe upgrading....with occasional fixable problems. Thanks alot!!!!! |
| 19:24.57 | nvz | ntadmin: its probably a Realtek 8139too or some tulip based thing |
| 19:25.03 | ntadmin | nvz: how can I go to top of page? |
| 19:25.04 | jelly-home | ntadmin: don't paste more than 2-3 lines here, btw |
| 19:25.27 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: great |
| 19:25.32 | nvz | ntadmin: top of page? shift+pgup will scroll. but lspci should not be that much output, what do you have a 6inch monitor? |
| 19:25.45 | nvz | ntadmin: lspci | grep -i eth |
| 19:25.48 | enouf | lmao |
| 19:25.49 | nvz | will give you less output |
| 19:25.52 | ntadmin | no |
| 19:26.02 | enouf | nvz: it's on his phone |
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| 19:26.08 | nvz | enouf: hehe. |
| 19:26.28 | nvz | I got a PocketPC, VIsta Laptop and Debian desktop all sitting in a row here. |
| 19:26.33 | ntadmin | grep file not found |
| 19:26.38 | nvz | the pocketPC is currently off cause it doesn't have synergy.. heh |
| 19:26.46 | enouf | ouch |
| 19:26.48 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: it's quite possible you have more junk in your /usr due to those symlinks. I'd check that every file under /usr belonged to a package. |
| 19:26.55 | nvz | I guess you can't really run synergy on PPC cause it has no pointer |
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| 19:27.06 | jelly-home | dtatulea_: (except for /usr/local, that is) |
| 19:27.26 | enouf | nvz: ugh. ppc is a confusing acronym/nomenclature |
| 19:27.31 | nvz | ntadmin: dude, if you don't have grep installed then you aren't running debian or you never finished the install |
| 19:27.35 | ntadmin | nvz: i have two network cards. One is working cool. but the other i think that is not installed. |
| 19:27.38 | ntadmin | now it works |
| 19:27.47 | ntadmin | lspci returned |
| 19:28.04 | nvz | ntadmin: what irc client are you using? |
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| 19:28.34 | nvz | ntadmin: /exec -o lspci | grep -i eth | tr "\n" "/\n" |
| 19:28.38 | ntadmin | 0000:00:09.0 Ethernet controller: VIA technologies, INC. VT6105 [Rhine-III] (rev 8b) 1st line |
| 19:28.44 | nvz | in your irc client should paste it in here all on one line |
| 19:29.05 | nvz | ntadmin: you say you have two nics, thats only one |
| 19:29.14 | ntadmin | 0000:00:12.0 Ethernet Controller: VIA Technologies, INC. Vt6102[Rhine II](rev 78) 2nd line |
| 19:29.25 | ntadmin | i was typing |
| 19:29.25 | nvz | you called it a dlink |
| 19:29.26 | ntadmin | ;) |
| 19:29.31 | enouf | nvz: heh, i usually use xargs echo to bypass any newlines :-P |
| 19:29.37 | nvz | I never seen a dlink with a VIA chipset oO |
| 19:29.41 | jelly-home | nvz: there are via-rhine based dlinks. |
| 19:29.46 | nvz | I'd never seen em |
| 19:29.50 | jelly-home | DFE 530-TX |
| 19:30.02 | ntadmin | D-Link DFE-520TX |
| 19:30.04 | enouf | ntadmin: /exec -o lspci -nn | grep -i eth | tr "\n" "/\n" |
| 19:30.14 | nvz | ntadmin: well those are practically the same thing, they probably both use the same driver |
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| 19:30.15 | jelly-home | it worked suprisingly well, fwiw |
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| 19:30.57 | FordCortina | does /lib/modules/$(shell uname -r)/build have to point to the full sources or can it just point to the headers? |
| 19:31.01 | nvz | ntadmin: are you irc'ing from the debian box? |
| 19:31.03 | ntadmin | nvz, but why one don't work? |
| 19:31.09 | ntadmin | nvz: no |
| 19:31.16 | ntadmin | i'm irc'ing in other pc |
| 19:31.16 | nvz | ntadmin: ah, so you have to manually copy this |
| 19:31.18 | ntadmin | windows |
| 19:31.21 | jelly-home | ntadmin: what does /sbin/ifconfig|grep eth say? |
| 19:31.21 | ntadmin | yeah |
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| 19:31.27 | Azar | nvz: can't he get that rtl module? |
| 19:31.31 | Azar | forgot its number |
| 19:31.34 | nvz | ntadmin: isn't the debian box online? |
| 19:31.39 | nvz | ntadmin: dmesg | grep eth |
| 19:31.50 | nvz | ntadmin: see if you see two interfaces (if any) eth0, eth1 |
| 19:31.52 | nvz | for example |
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| 19:32.28 | ntadmin | yeah |
| 19:32.37 | nvz | you see both interfaces? |
| 19:32.42 | ntadmin | yes |
| 19:32.46 | nvz | then you are good to go, you just need to configure them |
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| 19:32.52 | nvz | the driver is loaded, both are working |
| 19:33.04 | ntadmin | so, how can I configure it? |
| 19:33.04 | nvz | man 5 interfaces |
| 19:33.14 | nvz | or install network manager (pretend I didn't say that) |
| 19:33.20 | nvz | hates network manager |
| 19:33.22 | jelly-home | !interfaces |
| 19:33.22 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 19:33.37 | nvz | ntadmin: what are you trying to do with this debian box and the two nics? |
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| 19:33.46 | nvz | ntadmin: what is your current network layout? |
| 19:33.52 | ntadmin | i have installed the e-box |
| 19:33.56 | ntadmin | do you know? |
| 19:33.59 | nvz | ntadmin: we can help you get to the right docs if you tell us what you are doing |
| 19:34.05 | chasing`Sol | guys, dpkg is an eggdrop, rite? |
| 19:34.20 | nvz | I have no idea wtf an e-box is |
| 19:34.23 | jelly-home | chasing`Sol: blootbot |
| 19:34.25 | ntadmin | nvz: i'm trying to use ebox to control my domain |
| 19:34.25 | enouf | !what are you |
| 19:34.25 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:34.30 | ntadmin | do you meet ebox? |
| 19:34.33 | nvz | chasing`Sol: no, its an infobot, formerly called blootbot |
| 19:34.45 | jelly-home | nvz: the ther way round |
| 19:34.46 | chasing`Sol | its found on freenode only? |
| 19:34.47 | nvz | ntadmin: I don't know squat about an ebox or a domain |
| 19:35.03 | chasing`Sol | or i could get it on a channel on other network? |
| 19:35.09 | jelly-home | chasing`Sol: it's also on irc.debian.org |
| 19:35.11 | nvz | jelly-home: simonrvn corrected me when I said blootbot |
| 19:35.13 | ntadmin | nvz: wait... |
| 19:35.21 | enouf | she lives where her owner desires |
| 19:35.21 | nvz | just about an hour ago |
| 19:35.29 | chasing`Sol | ty guys :) |
| 19:35.30 | maligor | ChanServ, undoubtedly if you run it yourself |
| 19:35.38 | ntadmin | nvz: ebox is like WEBMIN |
| 19:35.40 | maligor | uhoh, wrong target |
| 19:35.42 | ntadmin | do you know webmin? |
| 19:35.43 | nvz | ntadmin: ew |
| 19:35.45 | jelly-home | nvz: oh, I misread itn then |
| 19:35.47 | maligor | chasing`Sol, run it yourself :P |
| 19:35.58 | nvz | ntadmin: webmin is like ssh for k1dd135 |
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| 19:36.02 | chasing`Sol | maligor, then its like an eggdrop |
| 19:36.10 | enouf | chasing`Sol: you could look at infobot, supybot etc for yourself maybe if you want a bot |
| 19:36.12 | jelly-home | chasing`Sol: you can install it, and fetch dpkg's database |
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| 19:36.14 | maligor | err.. a bot's a bot |
| 19:36.17 | DustyDingo | hm, what is the current status of nvidia graphic drivers in testing (2.6.24)? |
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| 19:36.25 | ntadmin | http://ebox-platform.com/features/ |
| 19:36.33 | ntadmin | nvz: see it http://ebox-platform.com/features/ |
| 19:36.39 | nvz | isn't interested in ebox |
| 19:36.50 | DustyDingo | i want to install nvidia-glx, but it depends on an much older nvidia-kernel package than the curren one |
| 19:36.52 | enouf | bots can be highly customizes |
| 19:36.58 | nvz | if you need help setting up the NETWORKING layer of your debian interfaces then you can answer my questions |
| 19:37.02 | enouf | er customized* |
| 19:37.08 | nvz | you can play with that higher level stuff on your own time |
| 19:37.13 | enouf | and so can networks .. yes, even channels |
| 19:37.17 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell chasing`Sol about your factoids |
| 19:37.23 | nvz | I'm specialized in debian and linux kernel releated issues |
| 19:37.28 | nvz | which is why I hang out here |
| 19:37.30 | chasing`Sol | :D |
| 19:37.41 | chasing`Sol | i really appreciate it guys |
| 19:37.43 | nvz | I don't care about insecure 3rd party crap for newbies |
| 19:37.44 | chasing`Sol | thanks alot |
| 19:37.46 | Azar | nvidia_post_etch! |
| 19:37.47 | maligor | enouf, just like the humanbot that most seem to be running here :P |
| 19:37.55 | Azar | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 19:37.55 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia_post_etch was update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:38.00 | enouf | heh |
| 19:38.03 | ntadmin | nvz: ok, thn |
| 19:38.05 | ntadmin | *thnx |
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| 19:38.27 | nvz | ntadmin: do you just have the windows box directly connected to the internet now or what? |
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| 19:38.47 | Azar | DustyDingo: that was for your question |
| 19:38.56 | ntadmin | now yeah, but in this moment I will put the two computer in a switch |
| 19:38.59 | nvz | ntadmin: if we can get your debian box online and you can access software, docs, and irc from there you are in a much better position to get things done |
| 19:39.00 | ntadmin | wait a moment |
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| 19:39.10 | ntadmin | I back right |
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| 19:39.13 | nvz | ntadmin: do you have more than one IP from your ISP? |
| 19:39.25 | ntadmin | I use a router |
| 19:39.35 | nvz | ah ok. |
| 19:39.48 | ntadmin | one moment, i back soon |
| 19:39.56 | nvz | ntadmin: well you have two nics in the debian box so it could act as a router, bridge, firewall..etc |
| 19:40.12 | nvz | thats what I was getting at.. what the purpose of the two nics was |
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| 19:40.36 | jelly-home | ... or it could just have two nics! |
| 19:40.50 | enouf | nvz: you should've known from the /nick :-P |
| 19:40.54 | nvz | its kinda pointless to have another nic if its not doing something |
| 19:41.07 | nvz | right now I got 3 of them on this laptop and I'm only using two |
| 19:41.11 | jelly-home | nvz: but the problem would be easily solved then |
| 19:41.12 | enouf | !8ball am i psychic? |
| 19:41.12 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 19:41.40 | nvz | I went back to letting vista be my damn router cause the USB controller in this debian box is dying and its not reliably running my USB Wireless-G Dish |
| 19:41.47 | streuner | !geeksmite enouf |
| 19:41.47 | dpkg | puts enouf into a world of microchips |
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| 19:41.50 | jelly-home | wishes his router was able to give out the same ip to his wired and wireless cards |
| 19:42.07 | enouf | ahh .. digital bliss ;-) |
| 19:42.10 | nvz | at least I am blaming the USB controller for the reason I have the dish in the same location and it will work fine on the vista box and not on the debian one |
| 19:42.33 | nvz | the first few days I had no problems with it.. then I thought I was getting interference.. now I know its just something on this box that isn't workig |
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| 19:43.31 | nvz | I know for a fact something isn't right with my usb cause if I unplug the keyboard and plug it back in all I get is read errors and I have to reboot.. and the mouse goes off at random, and sometimes won't be able to get a new address until I reboot |
| 19:44.06 | nvz | this computer belonged to my little brother years ago and he broke a front USB port and if you plug anything into it, the computer goes off.. heh |
| 19:44.10 | koolhead17 | hello |
| 19:44.11 | koolhead17 | all |
| 19:44.19 | nvz | I never disconnected it cause I still use the other front port |
| 19:44.45 | nvz | I only have 3 and I have a USB wifi, USB Mouse, USB keyboard, USB digicam, USB pocketPC..etc.. heh |
| 19:44.54 | nvz | I need a hub |
| 19:45.14 | nvz | but I guess I need a whole new USB controller cause this one has seen better days |
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| 19:46.02 | nvz | just spent $70 on the USB Wireless-G Dish adapter so I could get rid of the vista box and get online from debian, now I need a new damn USB controller to make it work reliably |
| 19:46.07 | maligor | nvz, what did he do? plug a voltage source to it? |
| 19:46.31 | nvz | maligor: what happens is the plastic thing breaks and the pins are just hanging free in there |
| 19:46.37 | nvz | maligor: I see people do it all the time |
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| 19:47.04 | nvz | maligor: usually from someone walking past and hitting something while its plugged in, or forcing it in the wrong way |
| 19:47.04 | maligor | oh, physical only |
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| 19:47.44 | nvz | maligor: yeah, its physically broken. but I assume from that physical damage it as fried the mobo controller which is why I get timeouts and failure to reset on the controller at times |
| 19:47.48 | crazyfrog | i installed amule ,but it can not connect to server,who can help me? |
| 19:48.05 | maligor | nvz, what usb interface chip is it? |
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| 19:48.49 | nvz | it works mostly good enough for my keyboard/mouse as long as I have them plugged in at boot and don't try to unplug them or switch ports.. but its not working well enough for the USB Wireless-G Dish adapter.. it will get connected to the AP and complete the softMAC auth, then it will say network down halfway through the dhcp process |
| 19:49.09 | nvz | maligor: its an old VIA/AMD AthlonXP board I think.. lets see.. |
| 19:49.17 | maligor | oh, via |
| 19:49.17 | itchi | crazyfrog: You need press that little blue play button to download a new list of servers |
| 19:49.17 | nvz | 00:14.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1a) |
| 19:49.21 | nvz | 00:14.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 1a) |
| 19:49.41 | enouf | nvz: i have a usb keys + mouse - both are plugged into their relevant usb<->ps/2 adapters and that's how they interface to my mobo ;-) (ps/2 ftw) |
| 19:49.45 | nvz | ah, and its only 1.1 at that. |
| 19:49.55 | nvz | I should just get a damn PCI 2.0 controller I guess |
| 19:50.03 | nvz | would be cheaper than a new pc |
| 19:50.06 | maligor | enouf, heh, my mb only has one ps/2 |
| 19:50.18 | enouf | yikes, wtf? |
| 19:50.35 | maligor | nvz, you can probably get some cheapo controller from ebay |
| 19:50.42 | nvz | this PC is plenty fast enough for me.. I got the AthlonXP 1700+ running at like 1466mhz, with like half a gig of ram and now the nVidia 5200FX |
| 19:50.58 | crazyfrog | itchi: the problem seems that i have done it,but it can not download anything |
| 19:51.11 | maligor | nvz, as long as you research what it has inside it :P |
| 19:51.29 | itchi | crazyfrog: Then you may have a firewill issue i guess. Or press that button again |
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| 19:51.34 | nvz | I was considering moving up to a nVidia chipset board with a Sempron64 as I've built two running debian for customers in the past year for under $200 and being that my USB controller is obviously going bad, and its on my mobo.. that can't be a good sign |
| 19:51.44 | nvz | before you know it the whole thing will be crapping out |
| 19:51.44 | maligor | nvz, you can get usb 2.0 controllers here from retailers for 12 eur |
| 19:51.50 | enouf | ~$ cat /proc/bus/input/devices | grep ^N | xargs echo |
| 19:51.51 | enouf | N: Name=AT Translated Set 2 keyboard N: Name=ImExPS/2 Generic Explorer Mouse |
| 19:51.54 | enouf | ;-) |
| 19:51.57 | crazyfrog | i have not install any firewall |
| 19:52.09 | DustyDingo | *grml* i am able to suspend to ram, with s2ram -f -a 1, but after suspending with hibernate-ram the backlight remains dark |
| 19:52.16 | maligor | nvz, heh, you could build a AMD 4050E + 780G for pretty cheap |
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| 19:52.31 | maligor | nvz, athlonxp 1700 is pretty high heat compared to that |
| 19:52.41 | DustyDingo | i configured hibernate to pass -f -a 1 to s2ram, but the issue remains |
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| 19:53.02 | DustyDingo | any tips what i could do? |
| 19:53.16 | amphi | DustyDingo: what machine is this on? |
| 19:53.18 | crazyfrog | when i first run amule ,it says :no a file called nodes.dat |
| 19:53.23 | FabParma | What is the most reliable program to clone single PC Desktop (Whole HD) based on GNU/Linux using ext2 and ext3? Thank You in advance |
| 19:53.27 | DustyDingo | amphi: x61s |
| 19:54.09 | nvz | maligor: yeah what I built for my customers were basically the same system just a case and about 450-550w ps, a nvidia nForce4xx/GeForce62xx board with a sempron64 3x00 cpu and about a gig of ram, and the first one was about US$190 and a few months later I got another system for about $110 |
| 19:54.10 | maligor | nvz, but usb 2.0 controllers cost nearly nothing |
| 19:54.12 | amphi | DustyDingo: try 'echo 3 > /proc/sys/kernel/acpi_video_flags' and see if that helps |
| 19:54.13 | DustyDingo | i tried several video bios settings in hibernate, tho this stuff is pure voodoo |
| 19:54.24 | nvz | maligor: so now I can probably find the same setup on pricewatch.com for under $100 |
| 19:54.33 | DustyDingo | amphi: after or before suspend? |
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| 19:55.01 | amphi | DustyDingo: before; if it fixes, you can add it to /etc/sysctl.conf so it's set at boottime |
| 19:55.09 | itchi | FabParma: Some Ghost alike tool?? |
| 19:55.20 | DustyDingo | and what is this flag about? |
| 19:55.35 | FabParma | itchi: yes |
| 19:55.49 | nvz | maligor: I am almost certain I need a new USB controller to get my debian box reliably online with this USB Dish, but the question I ponder is it worth investing in one for this old machine or is now the time to just get a new barebones |
| 19:55.55 | itchi | FabParma: There's Ghost4linux or the nice partimage |
| 19:56.36 | FabParma | I have a look, Thank You |
| 19:56.42 | DustyDingo | amphi: nope, still the same problem |
| 19:56.49 | amphi | DustyDingo: bummer |
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| 19:56.57 | maligor | nvz, heh, I can't decide that for you, might be worth it simply because of the heat the athlon 1700+ generates (I have one too) |
| 19:57.11 | maligor | nvz, I've underclocked it to 1GHz to limit the heat a bit |
| 19:57.29 | DustyDingo | i could write my own suspend script |
| 19:57.29 | nvz | maligor: yeah well this was a compaq.. the side and front panels are all gone, the usb on the mobo seems to be all fried and barely working.. |
| 19:57.44 | nvz | maligor: the AC cord connector on the PS has been broken for years |
| 19:57.49 | amphi | DustyDingo: I don't have that problem here; I have the problem of slow (1 minute+) ata wakeup on resume; not a big deal, as I have little use for suspend-to-ram |
| 19:57.53 | DustyDingo | all i have to do is to bring network interfaces down and call s2ram and some minor things |
| 19:57.57 | nvz | I just been using it because it works good enough |
| 19:58.06 | maligor | nvz, ac cord connector? sounds dangerous |
| 19:58.10 | DustyDingo | amphi: also got a x61s? |
| 19:58.15 | amphi | DustyDingo: aye |
| 19:58.42 | DustyDingo | hm strange, are you running an up-to-date testing? |
| 19:58.43 | nvz | maligor: I don't think its really broken, it just came loose from the case.. and wiggles.. there are two screws that don't seem to be holding it anymore.. I never opened the PS to fix it |
| 19:58.45 | amphi | DustyDingo: finally, the wlan LED works |
| 19:59.07 | DustyDingo | amphi: oh, i still got many issues with the iwl driver |
| 19:59.09 | amphi | DustyDingo: testing with vanilla 2.6.25 (+ patch for iwl4965 and friends) |
| 19:59.22 | nvz | maligor: I figured with my luck, the day I open an old piece of crap compaq power supply will be the last day it works |
| 19:59.48 | maligor | nvz, the schrödinger problem eh |
| 19:59.49 | DustyDingo | yeah, i will have to build a 25 kernel too |
| 20:00.06 | nvz | maligor: yeah a lot like schrodinger's cat |
| 20:00.22 | DustyDingo | amphi: on my uni we only got 802.11b access points |
| 20:00.36 | nvz | maligor: if he had a computer, it would look something like this one |
| 20:00.39 | DustyDingo | which won't work with iwl drivers in 2.6.24 :/ |
| 20:00.48 | maligor | nvz, I don't really have a lot of faith in via chipsets anyway, especially the ones I have experience in had strange issues |
| 20:00.51 | amphi | DustyDingo: you have 4965? |
| 20:00.53 | enouf | see #grml dustybin |
| 20:00.59 | nvz | maligor: maybe its working, maybe its fried.. don't look and it will always have both possibilities |
| 20:01.02 | enouf | er see #grml DustyDingo |
| 20:01.17 | DustyDingo | enouf: for my wireles issues? |
| 20:01.41 | nvz | maligor: I've always felt safe on the older tested chipsets like Intel PIIX's or VIA V82xxxx's |
| 20:01.44 | amphi | DustyDingo: this might be more appropriate for ##ibmthinkpad on freenode |
| 20:01.45 | enouf | if you're using grml, for any issues |
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| 20:02.01 | patrick-- | where can i setup IP Hostnames in a File to change the local resolution of certain dns names? |
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| 20:02.29 | Bushmills | what?? |
| 20:02.29 | maligor | nvz, via's of that age just had strange issues like half the PCI not working |
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| 20:02.43 | Bushmills | you mean /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 20:02.45 | maligor | nvz, and flaky agp |
| 20:02.54 | patrick-- | Bushmills: can i insert certain hostnames there? |
| 20:02.59 | Bushmills | or /etc/hosts |
| 20:03.04 | Bushmills | the latter |
| 20:03.10 | patrick-- | well |
| 20:03.13 | msan | patrick--: what are you trying to do ? |
| 20:03.26 | patrick-- | when i browse to a certain host, i want it to point to a local address |
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| 20:04.24 | msan | patrick--: browse with a web browser ? or file system browser ? |
| 20:04.27 | patrick-- | web |
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| 20:05.28 | cusco | /etc/hosts |
| 20:05.30 | heatman | Hello. By default, what is the port used for vncserver and which file needs to be modified to be able to specify my own port? |
| 20:05.40 | patrick-- | cusco: how do i insert it there? |
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| 20:05.49 | cusco | patrick--: open the file and read teh coment |
| 20:05.53 | nvz_ | Idk wtf happened there |
| 20:06.00 | nvz_ | I couldd telll I was lagginng out thouugh |
| 20:06.02 | Bushmills | heatman: 5900 iirc |
| 20:06.17 | patrick-- | cusco: there is none |
| 20:06.24 | cusco | patrick--: localhost google.com |
| 20:06.24 | nvz_ | its hard to say with the way my network is right now.. hah. I'm connected to my boss |
| 20:06.31 | cusco | that will make google.com resolve to localhost |
| 20:06.41 | nvz_ | 's 802.11b ap which is old as hell and over 300ft away with 3 houses in the way |
| 20:07.04 | patrick-- | cusco: so IP hostname ? |
| 20:07.11 | msan | patrick--: yes |
| 20:07.13 | cusco | yes |
| 20:07.13 | nvz_ | then I got it going through a damn vista laptop into my router that I am basically just using as a hub cause I don't want to cut my cable to cross it over.. heh |
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| 20:07.54 | nvz_ | so I guess I should expect timeouts |
| 20:09.30 | nvz | ugh.. it is annoying though |
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| 20:09.54 | mavhc | your network must be old if it still needs crossover cables |
| 20:10.10 | heatman | Bushmills: u know how i can change that port? |
| 20:10.25 | nvz | my cousin sandy at least has a linksys 802.11g router and her house is in direct line of sight from here, but slightly farther away.. she just can't find her power cable for the router.. I am about to go buy her one.. heh |
| 20:10.47 | nvz | I think using a g instead of a b access point would makeup for the fact that her house is farther and has aluminum siding |
| 20:11.20 | cusco | heatman: you should have a port option in /etc/vncserver.conf |
| 20:11.24 | nvz | is currently all teched out in an RV with a Wireless-G dish.. heh |
| 20:11.27 | heatman | cusco: ty |
| 20:11.29 | dondelelcaro | nvz: the power output is exactly the same |
| 20:11.34 | nvz | so I can't get a normal internet connection |
| 20:11.35 | cusco | np |
| 20:11.42 | nvz | dondelelcaro: isn't the range suppose to be better? |
| 20:11.44 | Bushmills | heatman: i'd think you'd change the vnc server config |
| 20:11.49 | dondelelcaro | nvz: if you want to do line of sight like that, you need a directional, high gain antenna. |
| 20:12.00 | nvz | dondelelcaro: my dish is a wireless-g dish with like 8db+ |
| 20:12.02 | dondelelcaro | nvz: the range is poewr limited |
| 20:12.22 | dondelelcaro | (since you're only doing 500mW or similar) |
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| 20:12.51 | nvz | dondelelcaro: right now there are like 3 houses with aluminum sididng in between me and the house I am connected to, which has vinyl siding on it.. the other place I have a striaght line of sight to, but it has aluminum siding |
| 20:13.02 | nvz | and I am sure that aluminum siding interferes a good bit |
| 20:13.18 | syscle | theres a repo file for apt-get correct? |
| 20:13.37 | cusco | syscle: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:13.49 | syscle | thought so. danke. =) |
| 20:14.04 | nvz | this Atheros AR5007UG Dish gets easily 3x the signal strenth or more that the Broadcom 802.11g adapter in the laptop gets from any given location |
| 20:14.26 | buntfalke | I search sth to grab still pictures from a v4l2 webcam. suggestions? qt/kde |
| 20:14.28 | nvz | dondelelcaro: so the only real advantage then from b to g is bandwidth? |
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| 20:14.52 | nvz | there are way stronger APs I could get on, but I don't know who they belong to |
| 20:14.52 | buntfalke | or text-based |
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| 20:15.20 | dondelelcaro | nvz: pretty much; it possibly does better in low-signal conditions than b, but I really haven't tested that |
| 20:15.25 | nvz | hell I have a direct line of sight to the WVU Colleseum across the river right now, and there are two unsecured, and two secured APs there I can pickup on |
| 20:15.59 | nvz | the unsecured points didn't seem to have internet at the Colleseum, I checked em both |
| 20:16.00 | syscle | cusco, you happen to have one you can pm me? this one is defaulted to my uplink, which fails. |
| 20:16.01 | dondelelcaro | but yeah, two high-gain antennas on both ends will connect you no problem |
| 20:16.28 | cusco | syscle: why does it fail? |
| 20:16.32 | nvz | it was weird that the APs were like 1.1.1.110 for an IP then they gave out some 73.x.x.x or something |
| 20:16.58 | nvz | I didn't snoop around much.. WVU has given me plenty of free crap in the past I'm not really trying to hack any of their networks.. heh |
| 20:17.07 | artagnon | I have a Debian desktop and a laptop. How do I get the same working environment on the laptop quickly? ie. same kernel + software + desktop environment + settings (can be manually obtained from the ~/.vimrc, ~/.zshrc files) |
| 20:17.20 | artagnon | I don't want to sit and install every software package again |
| 20:17.23 | syscle | oh nvm, i appear to be blind. the normal ones appear commented out. uncommenting then ill update ya. |
| 20:17.47 | dondelelcaro | nvz: 1.1.1.110 is in one of the reserved networks, so it's perfectly fine to use that for network equipment |
| 20:18.10 | jelly-home | 1/8 is reserved? Since when? |
| 20:18.27 | nvz | I can't seem to get kismet to work with this card anyhow.. it mentioned in the docs its kinda experimental with the zd1211 source right now I use for this Atheros AR5007UG |
| 20:18.47 | syscle | cusco, can i pm the error to you? its not that much of a paste. |
| 20:18.49 | nvz | I have aircrack and some other things, like weplab, but I haven't read the docs yet |
| 20:19.06 | nvz | I also have an E-book on wi-foo |
| 20:19.08 | artagnon | Has this problem already been though of and has software already been written just to do this or do I have to do it with a bunch of loosely held shell scripts? |
| 20:19.17 | cusco | syscle: ok |
| 20:19.40 | nvz | I figure at some point I should learn the ins and outs of wireless security since I am finally getting around to making use of it myself |
| 20:19.52 | jelly-home | artagnon: loosely held scripts ftw |
| 20:20.17 | jelly-home | artagnon: start with copying your $HOME and /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 20:20.35 | artagnon | jelly-home: Thanks for the pointer |
| 20:20.43 | jelly-home | !give artagnon some rope and ducttape |
| 20:20.43 | dpkg | gives artagnon some rope and ducttape |
| 20:21.28 | DustyDingo | amphi: i deinstalled hibernate and wrote some lines of bash script, which does the same as hibernate, except that it works |
| 20:21.49 | artagnon | omg! aptitude clone is very loose! It just gets a list of packages, dumps it to a file and redownloads everything on the new machine |
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| 20:22.11 | artagnon | that can probably be made faster if I cloned my /var/cache/apt/archives as well |
| 20:22.45 | artagnon | oh darn, where can I get a minimal install of Debian? I debootstraped this from another OS which is no more on the desktop |
| 20:22.56 | amphi | DustyDingo: what does it do? echo disk . /sys/power/state ? |
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| 20:23.49 | DustyDingo | amphi: locking screen, bring interfaces down, unmount cryptofs, s2ram -f -a 1 |
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| 20:24.50 | jelly-home | ooh, s2ram! |
| 20:24.59 | amphi | DustyDingo: s2ram s's 2 disk? |
| 20:25.31 | jelly-home | s2ram is more like suspend, not hibernate |
| 20:26.07 | amphi | that's what is sounds like |
| 20:26.35 | jelly-home | it's uswsusp own wrapper for echo > /sys/power/state |
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| 20:29.37 | artagnon | jelly-home: Thanks a bunch. I'll have to use my creativity to speed up the process and make it more efficient |
| 20:29.55 | nvz | well my cousin sandi says she found her power cord so I may be having a more reliable connection when she gets home and I hook up her wireless-g router |
| 20:30.05 | nvz | heh, cause I am having all kinds of issues right now |
| 20:30.27 | nvz | not to mention my security is holy as all hell right now |
| 20:30.35 | artagnon | don't you think it's a common task though? I have a desktop and a laptop... wouldn't people want to have the same environment on both to maximise efficiency? I'm surprised no software has been written for this already |
| 20:30.38 | Bushmills | artagnon: i suppose with the 2 bootfloppies you are pretty close to the minimal Debian install |
| 20:30.49 | Bushmills | boot and root floppy, i mean |
| 20:31.03 | nvz | I think that linksys router will have some encryption and stuff.. this one I am using now sucks |
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| 20:31.50 | chasing`Sol | is lain.cheme.cmu.edu broken? |
| 20:31.59 | chasing`Sol | for some reasons i can't access it |
| 20:32.05 | nvz | chasing`Sol: is that a debian package mirror? |
| 20:32.06 | chasing`Sol | is it me or is it broken? |
| 20:32.14 | artagnon | Bushmills: hmm.. I should probably debootstrap on a file and pack it up into an iso to use in the new system |
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| 20:32.29 | nvz | chasing`Sol: is it official or is it just like some local university net? |
| 20:32.41 | chasing`Sol | nvz, its blootbot db |
| 20:32.51 | chasing`Sol | FULL FACTOID DATABASE |
| 20:32.55 | nvz | you can always use something like samspade.org to check it remotely |
| 20:32.59 | nvz | chasing`Sol: ^ |
| 20:33.15 | nvz | chasing`Sol: samspade website has a ton of online network utilities |
| 20:33.49 | chasing`Sol | ty nvz |
| 20:33.56 | nvz | I think the guy made a utility suite too but last I checked its win32 |
| 20:34.13 | gladideg | I have a server with Debian. I want to install a gui to it, so I can remote desktop connect to it, and controll it from my Windows box. Is it possible? |
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| 20:34.26 | nvz | but his website is great last time I used it you could setup your own page with the utilities you want in any order, with themes, and it saved as a browser cookie |
| 20:34.41 | gladideg | If so, what do I need to google |
| 20:35.04 | nvz | gladideg: you don't even need an Xserver installed for that |
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| 20:35.32 | ubernazi | as you were |
| 20:35.33 | nvz | gladideg: you just install a vncserver which will run in the background and you will need to goto realvnc.com on the windows box and download the viewer |
| 20:35.40 | artagnon | Bushmills: thanks for your suggestion. It gave me a new idea.. with the boot and root disks, I can install from over the network |
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| 20:35.44 | Bushmills | gladideg: drop the idea of graphical admn - possible but sucks. consider to run putty on windows, and connect to server sshd |
| 20:35.59 | nvz | gladideg: I would also install putty on the windows box, and ssh on the linux box so you can ssh in to start vncserver or do diagnostics.. |
| 20:36.27 | ubernazi | i want to read the cursor position from where its at in the terminal |
| 20:36.37 | nvz | gladideg: are you just wanting to get a GUI from across the LAN or are you connecting to it from over the internet? |
| 20:36.49 | nvz | gladideg: cause VNC can not only be slow, but its insecure |
| 20:36.49 | ubernazi | at #bash they are clueless |
| 20:36.55 | gladideg | nvz, over the internet |
| 20:37.04 | gladideg | nvz, I need to access it to run a web browser. |
| 20:37.18 | nvz | gladideg: so use putty and ssh, and run links2 |
| 20:37.31 | gladideg | Through the browser, I will access the servers http service, and upload tons of material allready on the server... instead of doing that over the internet. |
| 20:37.40 | ubernazi | at #c they said something about ncurses and some damn X11 lib, which is totally nonsense since terminals do fine without X11 |
| 20:37.41 | nvz | gladideg: you could tunnel vnc through ssh to make it more secure.. but its gonna be slow either way |
| 20:37.51 | Bushmills | ubernazi: i could say st to that but i don't like your nick |
| 20:38.01 | nvz | gladideg: that sounds really stupid |
| 20:38.11 | ubernazi | Bushmills: then we have something in common |
| 20:38.20 | gladideg | nvz, heh. Did I choose wrong words? |
| 20:38.26 | nvz | gladideg: why would you connect to the server to open a browser and upload files off an http server to itself? |
| 20:38.40 | nvz | gladideg: you could just ssh in and cp the files to the damn http root dir |
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| 20:39.44 | gladideg | nvz, it's complicated... but I see I may do it in another way... The reason I had this idea, is the processes initialized through different php scripts etc when a file is uploaded |
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| 20:40.10 | ubernazi | there is an ansi escape to read out the cursor position but that doenst work inside a script or c |
| 20:40.29 | ubernazi | Bushmills: they stole my other nick again |
| 20:40.34 | nvz | gladideg: I think you are like overly comfortable with doing things in a pretty way reguardless of how cumbersome it becomes |
| 20:40.40 | gladideg | So each file uploaded is beeing treated and converted in all differet ways when when uploaded through the HTTP. I also have to tag each item, which information is placed into mysql |
| 20:41.06 | nvz | gladideg: ssh and links2 will probably do it just the same |
| 20:41.14 | PerfDave | I've created an SSL cert and key for use by Cyrus imapd. It seems that the right thing to is to put the cert in /etc/ssl/certs and the key in /etc/ssl/private but if I do that then cyrus can't read the key because of restrictive perms on /etc/ssl/private |
| 20:41.23 | nvz | links2 is a web browser that has text and graphical modes |
| 20:41.31 | PerfDave | Where's the right place to put my own certs and keys on a Debian system? |
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| 20:42.01 | gladideg | nvz, ok. |
| 20:42.06 | gladideg | nvz, does it support JAVA applets? |
| 20:42.15 | nvz | PerfDave: you're the admin, all you can do is look at the FHS and interpret it as you see fit |
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| 20:42.24 | nvz | gladideg: probably not ;) |
| 20:42.54 | nvz | gladideg: you really need better software or you shouldn't have uploaded all those files to the server without running them through whatever crap you have going on |
| 20:43.01 | PerfDave | nvz: Sure. But where's the Debian-standard place? it seems to be /etc/ssl/private but I'm not sure that the cyrus daemon can read stuff from there. |
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| 20:43.27 | nvz | gladideg: whatever db shit you got should be able to take all the files on the server and index them on its own without you having to do all that complicated stuff |
| 20:44.25 | nvz | PerfDave: idk if it were me, I'd strace if I had to and figure out where its looking and still.. I'd put them wherever the hell seemed like a cool place to me and drop a symlink.. heh |
| 20:44.35 | gladideg | nvz, I understand your point of view |
| 20:44.44 | nvz | PerfDave: I'd first check the configs to see if it says where, and the docs.. |
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| 20:44.57 | PerfDave | nvz: The config lets you specify any filename. |
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| 20:45.05 | nvz | I for one don't have the thing setup here, so I can't figure it out |
| 20:45.16 | PerfDave | nvz: I think the *right* thing to do is to add user "cyrus" to the group "ssl-certs" to allow it to read out of /etc/ssl/private |
| 20:45.24 | gladideg | nvz, I can manually add each item to the db, and make a script that runs the same stuff as the http service, but in the linux commandline |
| 20:45.25 | nvz | if I had a more reliable internet connection right now I would normally install smething just so i can see for myself |
| 20:45.35 | nvz | but it took me quite some time just to install a package earlier |
| 20:46.11 | nvz | PerfDave: that sounds like it makes sense |
| 20:46.28 | PerfDave | nvz: I may reportbug it :) |
| 20:46.48 | nvz | PerfDave: why cause it didn't add cyrus to the ssl-certs group? |
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| 20:47.31 | gilles | hi |
| 20:47.31 | PerfDave | nvz: Yeah, and the examples in the config file say to put keys in /etc/ssl/private |
| 20:47.31 | Bushmills | gladideg: to connect to server with a web browser, the server doesn't need a graphical interface |
| 20:47.36 | Bushmills | your client machine does, for a graphical browser |
| 20:47.39 | gilles | i'm running debian testing, and i've installed nvidia's driver |
| 20:47.39 | gilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.39 | gilles | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.45 | nvz | PerfDave: in my experience if you are gonna report something silly you're usually gonna get ignored or flamed.. might be best to add a fixed install script |
| 20:48.17 | gladideg | Bushmills, I'm running the browser from the server. |
| 20:48.26 | gladideg | And not lynx or links2 |
| 20:48.26 | Bushmills | gladideg: and you can even graphically transfer data from windows to server, without gui on server |
| 20:48.35 | PerfDave | nvz: What's silly about that? |
| 20:48.40 | Bushmills | gladideg: look at winscp |
| 20:48.40 | nvz | PerfDave: I had a nice little flame war over samba-doc including o'reillys using samba document which literally makes shit up that samba doesn't do |
| 20:48.58 | PerfDave | nvz: postgres adds itself to ssl-certs for precisely this reason, cyrus doesn't and should. |
| 20:49.18 | gladideg | lol I'm not stupid |
| 20:49.23 | nvz | PerfDave: yeah well all I am saying is supply a quick one-line fix.. |
| 20:49.34 | nvz | or it will probably never get done |
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| 20:49.58 | nvz | unless you send the maintainer a case of beer or something |
| 20:50.06 | PerfDave | nvz: I don't know what the fix is, other than "user cyrus should be in group ssl-certs" |
| 20:50.14 | nvz | I don't know exactly how you get shit done around here, I just know how you don't |
| 20:50.34 | nvz | and usually complaining about stuff that isn't a serious issue doesn't get much attention |
| 20:50.46 | Bushmills | running a graphical browser on a remote server to transfer files sound very rube goldbergish to me |
| 20:51.01 | nvz | Bushmills: yeah, I was thinking the same thing |
| 20:51.31 | nvz | Bushmills: supposedly his graphical web app does metadata crap with the files and writes to a db |
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| 20:51.59 | nvz | Bushmills: which to me sounds like a shitty app if it can't just operate on files it already has remotely |
| 20:52.06 | Bushmills | nvz, scp with inotify might be a way |
| 20:52.41 | Bushmills | one i'd take into consideration at least |
| 20:52.53 | nvz | Bushmills: if you can surf to it remotely and upload files to it and it indexes them, then you should also be able to surf to it remotely and have it update the DB in the event it gets lost or corrupted and needs rebuilt from arbitrary files on the server already |
| 20:53.17 | Bushmills | that's what inotify is nice for. |
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| 20:53.30 | Bushmills | or, on user level, incrontab for example |
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| 20:53.40 | Kluz | hi |
| 20:53.58 | Kluz | what can I do so my ntfs partition mounts automatically at startup? |
| 20:54.03 | nvz | Bushmills: interesting.. I'd never used that.. I may have to hack up an example program to give myself an idea of where I can use it in the future |
| 20:54.05 | Bushmills | executes user command upon file or directory event |
| 20:54.35 | Bushmills | i use it to for example automatically create thumnails and picture album upon image upload |
| 20:54.40 | nvz | Bushmills: for all we know you have to manually enter metadata as you upload these files via the web interface |
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| 20:54.55 | nvz | Bushmills: either way he needs to hack something togethr to do this |
| 20:54.57 | Kluz | what can I do so my ntfs partition mounts automatically at startup? |
| 20:55.19 | nvz | Kluz: put it in the fstab |
| 20:55.25 | Kluz | what options? |
| 20:55.49 | nvz | Kluz: /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0 |
| 20:55.51 | nvz | for example |
| 20:56.01 | Bushmills | nvz: if you check out incrontab, there's a undocumented gotcha: fields must be seperated by exactly one space. not >1, not tab. |
| 20:56.30 | Bushmills | at least a while back that was the case. haven't retested for a while now |
| 20:56.31 | nvz | Kluz: I would make a /media/windows cause most desktop environments will put anything mounted in /media on your desktop automatically.. and I would also make some kind of "windows" group if you need more than one user to access that data |
| 20:56.49 | Kluz | kk |
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| 20:56.51 | Kluz | tks |
| 20:56.52 | nvz | Kluz: the 1000 just lets the first user uid=1000 access it |
| 20:57.03 | Bushmills | otherwise,specified command won't execute |
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| 20:57.23 | nvz | Kluz: you can leave out the uid option and just add all users to a certain group if you have multiple users needing access |
| 20:58.10 | nvz | Kluz: oh, and you need the auto option too |
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| 20:58.15 | nvz | Kluz: either that or user |
| 20:58.34 | nvz | Kluz: auto will have it mounted at boot, user will let any user mount it, then they will own the files for that mount |
| 20:59.03 | nvz | you mentioned you just wanted auto, and I didn't even put it in there |
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| 21:00.18 | Kluz | i dont need dmak and fmask options do I? |
| 21:00.22 | Kluz | *dmask |
| 21:00.36 | nvz | Kluz: if you even know to ask, you should already know |
| 21:00.48 | Kluz | lol |
| 21:01.04 | nvz | Kluz: the uid/gid type options already make all files owned by those ids.. ntfs is read only so.. |
| 21:01.11 | nvz | unless you use ntfs3g |
| 21:01.24 | Kluz | yes, ntfs-3g |
| 21:01.29 | nvz | and I never tried it, and I wouldn't recommend using ntfs in general.. but |
| 21:01.35 | nvz | its all up to you.. its your data |
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| 21:02.40 | PerfDave | nvz: http://bugs.debian.org/478074 |
| 21:03.21 | nvz | PerfDave: cool |
| 21:03.41 | PerfDave | nvz: It may well get ignored, but at least other users can find it when searching for "ssl" in cyrus bugs :) |
| 21:03.44 | nvz | PerfDave: we'll see how long that one takes |
| 21:04.10 | nvz | yeah, there's always that |
| 21:05.15 | PerfDave | nvz: I'm not a debian maintainer or a programmer; I'm doing the best I can to improve the quality of free software. |
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| 21:06.19 | nvz | PerfDave: yeah I thought the same thing when a user came in here asking about a samba logging issue, and I read the samba-doc and found a solution that after talking with upstream samba developers on here I found out to be not only entirely made up, but not even really possible without completly rewriting all logging code throughout samba.. |
| 21:06.58 | nvz | PerfDave: and its all o'reilly's made up fantasies.. I thought it was silly to include a false document, it should be edited or removed, but nobody changed anything |
| 21:07.26 | gilles | any help for me, with a nvidia BIG problem (illegal instruction) ? |
| 21:08.00 | nvz | gilles: big problems with little details are not really worthy of help |
| 21:08.08 | PerfDave | nvz: Ah well, I'm going to submit a patch to a pdfnup wishlist soon :) |
| 21:08.18 | nvz | big problems should have big explanations |
| 21:08.24 | Bushmills | gilles: yes, gather all available info, study them, and fix it. |
| 21:08.32 | PerfDave | gilles: Kinda hard to get solutions with proprietary software anyway |
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| 21:08.51 | gilles | what do you want to know ? |
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| 21:09.00 | eegore | is there a command that I can use to shred the contents of a drive of all information so it is not recoverable |
| 21:09.12 | Bushmills | what you need to do to get it working would help |
| 21:09.15 | PerfDave | eegore: shred |
| 21:09.23 | PerfDave | eegore: See also: DBAN |
| 21:09.36 | PerfDave | eegore: However, it depends on your definition of "not recoverable" |
| 21:09.39 | gilles | i'm running debian testing, i've installed driver from nvidia |
| 21:09.49 | gilles | it sort of work |
| 21:09.52 | eegore | the cia could ne even get it back |
| 21:10.10 | PerfDave | eegore: Open up the drive casing, cover the platters in thermite, melt them to a crisp. |
| 21:10.12 | gilles | i'm using it now, but 3d don't |
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| 21:10.28 | jelly-home | votes for a good sander swipe |
| 21:10.38 | PerfDave | jelly-home: Angle grinder! :) |
| 21:10.43 | eegore | PerfDave: I still need to sell the drive, I just don't want a lawsuit if something gets left on |
| 21:10.47 | jelly-home | thermite is awfully expensive in the mall |
| 21:10.58 | nvz | PerfDave: what kind of patch? I only used it once, and it worked well for me |
| 21:11.04 | gilles | when i run glxgears i got illegal instruction |
| 21:11.06 | PerfDave | eegore: If you want something CIA-proof, you want to destroy the platters physically. |
| 21:11.10 | Bushmills | what? just iron dust and mangansese dioxide? |
| 21:11.17 | Bushmills | mix it yourself |
| 21:11.19 | gilles | what else do you want to know |
| 21:11.30 | Bushmills | manganese |
| 21:11.34 | jelly-home | Bushmills: where do I find MgO2? |
| 21:11.35 | nvz | PerfDave: I printed out the instruction manual for my TI-83 Plus once and if you ever seen the manual you can fit like 4 pages on a single sheet of paper easily cause the booklet was small |
| 21:11.44 | jelly-home | er, MnO2 |
| 21:11.45 | Bushmills | jelly, in old batteries. |
| 21:11.47 | PerfDave | nvz: I want to add psbook-type functionality to pdfnup |
| 21:11.57 | eegore | I just don't want to get sued if the customers credit card info is on it and someone steals it |
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| 21:12.10 | jelly-home | eegore: shred, or wipe |
| 21:12.13 | Bushmills | but the chemist should have it to. should be cheap. |
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| 21:12.17 | nvz | PerfDave: though I think I actually converted it to postscript first and used something called psnup actually |
| 21:12.25 | Bushmills | i'd expect a kilo for not more then 3...5 $ |
| 21:12.46 | nvz | PerfDave: I didn't know you could do that with pdfs at the time |
| 21:13.17 | PerfDave | nvz: I did that before... pdf -> ps -> psbook -> psnup -> pdf. Turned an 200kB PDF to an 8Mb PDF. Calculating the page reordering by hand, and doing it with pdfnup --pages, gave me the same content in 204kB of PDF. |
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| 21:13.30 | nvz | PerfDave: hah |
| 21:14.05 | PerfDave | nvz: I was going to write pdfbook but I was looking at pdfnup to see how it manipulated the PDF files and it's about a 10-line patch to add the book functionality to it. |
| 21:14.14 | jelly-home | Bushmills: I thought it was Al dust/shavings, not Fe, though |
| 21:14.17 | nvz | PerfDave: well the one time I needed to do it I was just trying to save paper.. cause the programming section of that manual was large and the pages were small so it just made sense |
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| 21:14.38 | nvz | PerfDave: I had a laser printer, and I wasn't going to be saving the document, just printing it |
| 21:14.38 | Bushmills | jelly-home: from the cheap batteries, carbon-zinc. |
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| 21:15.05 | PerfDave | nvz: I print a lot of stuff to hand out to the public, it's cheaper than paying for photocopying. |
| 21:15.44 | Bushmills | jelly-home: yes, you're right. aluminium |
| 21:15.49 | Bushmills | not iron |
| 21:16.20 | Bushmills | though, there is iron oxide thermite too |
| 21:16.36 | the_lord | Hello, I need help, I'm doing an aptitude upgrade and I'm getting that bsdutils has been kept back, when I try to install it by hand, it says it's broken because it needs libc6 >=2.6.1 |
| 21:16.37 | nvz | PerfDave: yeah. I regret giving my Laserjet 4si to my mentor, but hey.. he's given me plenty of shit for free and lets me use his shop and tools all the time.. the damn thing had bad rollers and kept jamming over some little plastic clip that was broken.. I got tired of rigging it up, and it was too big a printer for someone who barely does any printing.. the cartridges cost like $185 |
| 21:17.18 | Bushmills | but used instead of MnO2 then |
| 21:17.49 | nvz | PerfDave: it had two input trays though that could each hold a full ream of paper, and it could probably print 80,000 pages on a cartridge, had three output bays, top, back, and bottom, and could flip the pages internally and whatnot. |
| 21:18.00 | PerfDave | nvz: Schweet. |
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| 21:18.40 | nvz | it was freakin huge and heavy though.. and finding a place to put it and having to move it around, and maintain it got to be more than its worth.. I probably don't print a dozen pages a year |
| 21:19.02 | nvz | If I had to print though, it would have been a damn good tool for the job |
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| 21:22.59 | nvz | well I think I should go hook up that damn wireless router cause I think I would get better signal from over there.. and then go to the store. |
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| 21:28.14 | VseSlav | Is here some girls?) |
| 21:28.33 | nvz | nope, try teenchat on aol |
| 21:28.38 | amphi | ha |
| 21:28.49 | eegore | this is going to take awhile |
| 21:29.01 | nvz | na, teenagers are actually pretty easy.. |
| 21:29.02 | eegore | 35 passes gutman wipe |
| 21:29.11 | VseSlav | Plz speak English) |
| 21:29.24 | nvz | VseSlav: you need to get on topic or get lost |
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| 21:31.17 | vano | anyone knows how to tell the postgresql wrappers to use a specific version of postgres clients when 2 versions are installed ? want to use 8.2 instead of 8.1 .. for pg_dumpall ... tanks |
| 21:31.19 | vano | thanks rather |
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| 21:33.06 | cusco | vano: don't you have two different binary files that tou run then? is the postgresql-client a simlink to one of the versions? |
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| 21:34.12 | vano | cusco I tried looking into it but it is rather complex.. looks like the wrappers use the version in the scripts... I think the maintainers might have a config file somewhere where the version can be configured... |
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| 21:35.14 | cusco | I knew that I didn't know what I was on about :P |
| 21:35.18 | cusco | sorry.. goo dluck |
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| 21:37.18 | dhe | how can i connect via the SSH command to a server which is running ssh not on port 22? |
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| 21:37.20 | hareldvd | package for php-tidy |
| 21:37.23 | hareldvd | ?? |
| 21:37.31 | valdyn | dhe: ssh -p <port> |
| 21:38.24 | ugly | I've installed SAMBA 3.0.28a and set up 2 "guest ok = no" shares (and set available to "yes"), but a Vista box isn't prompted for a username/password, instead defaulting to what I assume is the guest account. A 'net use /user:<username> \\<host> <password>' allows me to force it to enter a password (afaik) on the Vista box, but I simply get an incorrect password message. Any idea what could be causing this? |
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| 21:39.14 | Inktjet | Hi, I installed Vista (after my debian install as second boot) now I wanna make Debian boot in mbr again, and have it load grub so I can choose between the 2 o/s - I have already started knoppix, what should I do now to make it work? |
| 21:39.19 | Bushmills | ugly: using encrypted password on samba side? |
| 21:39.24 | ugly | Bushmills: yeah |
| 21:39.47 | PerfDave | dhe: man ssh |
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| 21:41.17 | hareldvd | How can I list all packages available on a keyword?? |
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| 21:41.34 | Bushmills | hareldvd: look at apt-cache |
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| 21:43.35 | hareldvd | Bushmills: Is there like a wildcard? |
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| 21:44.15 | Bushmills | hareldvd: you can pipe output to grep and use it with regular expressions there |
| 21:45.53 | hareldvd | Bushmills: Did: apt-cache showpkg php - gave me null. |
| 21:46.15 | Bushmills | try search instead of showpkg |
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| 21:47.32 | fiendishfish | How do you switch to a console from debian? |
| 21:47.35 | fiendishfish | Is it ctrl alt F2? |
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| 21:47.46 | Inktjet | can anyone tell me how I can best install grub from knoppix? |
| 21:47.51 | Bushmills | any ctrl-alt-1...6 by default |
| 21:48.00 | Inktjet | the linuxforums.org tutorials i followed didn't really work for me |
| 21:48.11 | Inktjet | I wanna reinstall grub on hdc being hdc1 my debian partition |
| 21:48.20 | hareldvd | Bushmills: Thanks. |
| 21:48.20 | fiendishfish | Bushmills, it isn't working. |
| 21:48.28 | fiendishfish | I tried Ctrl-Alt-F1-6 and it didn't switch |
| 21:49.21 | Bushmills | fiendishfish: maybe disabled in your config. open a shell, become root, and execute chvt 1 |
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| 21:50.32 | fiendishfish1 | Bushmills: I want to be able to do it in-game, How do I get back to my X session now? |
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| 21:51.17 | dhe | is it possible to say ifconfig that it shouldnt add a entry to the routing table when adding a interface? |
| 21:52.06 | fiendishfish1 | Bushmills: I used chvt 1 and now, I'm stuck in a terminal, and dunno how to get my X session back. |
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| 21:56.50 | hareldvd | apt-get update gives me: Failed to fetch http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/pub/mirrors/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 301 Moved Permanently |
| 21:57.19 | cusco | !tell Inktjet about reinstall grub |
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| 21:57.43 | cusco | hareldvd: looks like you need to look for another mirror |
| 21:57.54 | Bravewolf | Is there anything like "system-config-lvm" in Debian? |
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| 21:58.33 | hareldvd | cusco: Seems like the file is there. still how do I change mirrors? |
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| 21:59.06 | cusco | edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:59.33 | cusco | <p>The document has moved <a href="http://mirror.isoc.org.il/pub/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz">here</a>.</p> |
| 22:00.05 | cusco | it looks like mirror.hamakor.org.il becomes mirror.isoc.org.il |
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| 22:02.51 | Bushmills | fiendishfish: what does cat /etc/debian_version shiw? |
| 22:02.54 | Bushmills | show |
| 22:03.05 | hareldvd | cusco: Thanks. Works now. |
| 22:03.22 | cusco | np |
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| 22:05.41 | selim | can someone help me with postfix on a debian system? I've try to setup sasl-auth but eventhough I've put the smtpd.conf file into the /etc/postfix/sasl dir with this option: pwcheck_method: saslauthd I still get the error: "no SASL authentication mechanisms" |
| 22:05.48 | selim | any idea someone? |
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| 22:06.15 | PerfDave | selim: Heh, I'm about to set up SASL auth with exim :) |
| 22:07.28 | hareldvd | cusco: Now I get: W: GPG error: http://mirror.isoc.org.il stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 NO_PUBKEY B5D0C804ADB11277 |
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| 22:08.30 | selim | PerfDave: the problem is postfix is not exim, too bad :( |
| 22:08.54 | Bushmills | selim: for your own use, or for a number of users? |
| 22:09.00 | patrick-- | hey im using debian with fluxbox and an ati radeon 9600 gfx... i cannot seem to setup the config right so i can use twin view.. anyone mind helping? |
| 22:09.10 | selim | Bushmills: for a number of users |
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| 22:09.24 | Necrogami | When i install linux-headers where do the headers files endup? |
| 22:09.34 | PerfDave | Necrogami: dpkg -L $packagename |
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| 22:10.06 | selim | Bushmills: but somehow my saslauth or my postfix doesn't recognize the smtpd.conf file or it ignores it |
| 22:11.03 | Bushmills | selim: was it for yourself, i had suggested to consider setting up openvpn to the machine with postfix, and simply tell postfix that the vpn address is ournet. |
| 22:11.19 | Bushmills | but i suppose you can't expect that from your users. |
| 22:11.21 | jiraia | selim such as your file smtp.conf? |
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| 22:11.38 | selim | Bushmills: thank you but that's not enough |
| 22:11.49 | selim | jiraia: ? I thought it should be named smtpd.conf |
| 22:12.15 | Bushmills | selim: would mean that only vpn connections may relay |
| 22:12.52 | Bushmills | which is probably what you intend to do with sasl |
| 22:13.17 | selim | jiraia: and if the question was if it exists, yes it does |
| 22:13.23 | jiraia | selim which the contents of the file? |
| 22:13.40 | selim | jiraia: pwcheck_method: saslauthd |
| 22:14.16 | jiraia | selim hum |
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| 22:14.24 | jiraia | waht mech? |
| 22:14.40 | Necrogami | The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-3/include" is a kernel header file directory, but it does not contain the file "linux/version.h" as expected. |
| 22:14.49 | Necrogami | how can i generate this file on my system |
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| 22:15.12 | abrotman | your kernel is out of date |
| 22:15.15 | Necrogami | Trying to install vmware tools |
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| 22:16.10 | Necrogami | Linux development 2.6.22-3-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Feb 12 09:22:35 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 22:16.23 | abrotman | which version of Debian are you using? |
| 22:16.27 | Necrogami | Lenny |
| 22:16.45 | selim | jiraia: right now it's pam |
| 22:16.51 | Necrogami | ran a Net install about an hr ago |
| 22:17.42 | fiendishfish | Bushmills, I'm using etch |
| 22:17.58 | Bushmills | fiendishfish: alt-f7 |
| 22:18.05 | fiendishfish | That switched back |
| 22:18.08 | fiendishfish | But I cant switch to :( |
| 22:18.13 | abrotman | Necrogami: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 22:18.31 | Bushmills | or alt-cursorright several times |
| 22:19.02 | abrotman | !tell Necrogami about version.h |
| 22:19.08 | Xenguy | Necrogami: do you use nvidia? |
| 22:19.36 | Bushmills | or execute chvt 7 |
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| 22:21.21 | selim | jiraia: it definitly doesn't seem to recognize the smtpd.conf file |
| 22:21.24 | selim | any idea why |
| 22:21.35 | Inktjet | Anyone know why I get |
| 22:21.40 | Inktjet | chroot : cannot run command /bin/bash : Exec format error |
| 22:21.41 | selim | jiraia: could it be possible that I have the wrong postfix package installed? |
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| 22:21.50 | Inktjet | when trying to chroot /mnt/hdc1 ? |
| 22:21.56 | Inktjet | or how I can fix this? |
| 22:22.06 | selim | jiraia: I've used postfix on debian etch |
| 22:22.30 | PerfDave | Inktjet: What does "file /bin/bash /mnt/hdc1/bin/bash" say? |
| 22:23.08 | jiraia | selim hum accdent |
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| 22:23.09 | jiraia | wait |
| 22:24.30 | Inktjet | PerfDave: a lot, |
| 22:24.45 | Inktjet | /bin/bash ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386 |
| 22:24.46 | PerfDave | !tell Inktjet about paste |
| 22:25.00 | Inktjet | /mnt/hdc1/bin/bash: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86 |
| 22:25.11 | Inktjet | can't paste this, it's on a pc with no internet |
| 22:25.16 | Inktjet | but that's the 2 files |
| 22:25.36 | PerfDave | Inktjet: OK. /mnt/hdc1 contains a 64-bit install, and you're trying to chroot into it from a system that can't run amd64 binaries. |
| 22:25.38 | \amethyst | Inktjet: you need a 64-bit kernel to be able to do that |
| 22:25.51 | \amethyst | you can install an -amd64 kernel on the i386 host |
| 22:26.05 | abrotman | if it's an amd64 cpu |
| 22:26.06 | Inktjet | \amethyst: and PerfDave |
| 22:26.07 | \amethyst | then boot to that, and you should be able to chroot into /mnt/hdc1 |
| 22:26.11 | jiraia | selim you're using cyrus+sasl? |
| 22:26.17 | Inktjet | I'm trying to reinstall grub from a knoppix live cd |
| 22:26.18 | PerfDave | Inktjet: What hardware are you on? |
| 22:26.19 | \amethyst | Yeah, assuming it's a 64-bit CPU |
| 22:26.26 | Inktjet | 64bit amd duo core |
| 22:26.31 | \amethyst | Inktjet: do they make 64-bit Knoppix? |
| 22:26.37 | PerfDave | Inktjet: Is it an amd64 knoppix CD, or can you boot it with 64-bit support? |
| 22:26.38 | selim | jiraia: don't know how do I find out? |
| 22:26.48 | Inktjet | PerfDave: i dunno, will check |
| 22:26.49 | PerfDave | Inktjet: If not, I know that system rescue CD comes in both 32- and 64-bit flavours |
| 22:26.52 | selim | jiraia: but definitly no cyrus-imap backend |
| 22:27.05 | enouf | Inktjet: you don't still have your debian installation cd? |
| 22:27.13 | Inktjet | enouf: I have mate |
| 22:27.18 | PerfDave | is using cyrus+sasl |
| 22:27.20 | Inktjet | oh waiit |
| 22:27.23 | Inktjet | sorry for all questions |
| 22:27.25 | selim | jiraia: but it's definitly the cyrus sasl stuff |
| 22:27.27 | enouf | so why knoppix? |
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| 22:27.33 | enouf | boot: rescue |
| 22:27.45 | \amethyst | Inktjet: you could try a debian-live amd64 image http://live.debian.net/cdimage/etch-builds/20080421/amd64/ |
| 22:27.47 | jiraia | selim hum |
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| 22:28.07 | jiraia | selim you've followed some howto? |
| 22:28.14 | Inktjet | enouf: I'm booting now |
| 22:28.23 | selim | jiraia: http://www.dcglug.org.uk/archive/2005/04/msg00072.html |
| 22:28.36 | Inktjet | I can install it from the normal debian img right |
| 22:28.54 | enouf | yes |
| 22:29.05 | PerfDave | Inktjet: What's the ultiamate problem you're trying to solve here? |
| 22:29.16 | Inktjet | i just only need grub reinstalled |
| 22:29.25 | PerfDave | Inktjet: Why do you need grub reinstalle? |
| 22:29.55 | Inktjet | and /dev/hdc1 being set as boot in the mbr |
| 22:29.55 | Inktjet | to dual boot |
| 22:29.55 | Inktjet | it was uninstalled by vista |
| 22:29.55 | PerfDave | Inktjet: You don't need grub to dual-boot |
| 22:29.55 | enouf | Inktjet: hdc has a MBR, not hdc1 |
| 22:30.08 | Inktjet | ok |
| 22:30.13 | Necrogami | abrotman, no i currently just used the kernel that came prepackaged |
| 22:30.14 | Inktjet | i'm now at partitioning method |
| 22:30.42 | Inktjet | where can i install it again ? |
| 22:30.51 | PerfDave | Inktjet: Simplest solution is probably just to use the Vista boot.ini to boot into your Debian install. |
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| 22:30.59 | abrotman | Necrogami: okay you do whatever you want .. i'm telling you that your kernel is out of date |
| 22:31.05 | enouf | lmao |
| 22:31.33 | enouf | Inktjet: yeah, reinsatall win95 to boot debian |
| 22:31.36 | Inktjet | PerfDave: don't want that |
| 22:31.42 | selim | jiraia: how do I tell postfix to check for the mux file within a certain directory? |
| 22:31.44 | Inktjet | why not with grub? |
| 22:31.50 | Inktjet | it worked properly for me last time |
| 22:31.57 | enouf | Inktjet: rescue mode i told you now twice |
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| 22:32.09 | PerfDave | Inktjet: Use Vista's booter to get into your existing install, run update-grub from there. |
| 22:32.13 | Inktjet | enouf: how to initiate rescue mode? |
| 22:32.23 | enouf | press F1 |
| 22:32.31 | enouf | F2-F10 |
| 22:32.38 | PerfDave | http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/system/platform/firmware/bcd.mspx |
| 22:33.00 | jiraia | selim postconf |
| 22:33.27 | Necrogami | abrotman, according to lenny apt-get |
| 22:33.27 | Inktjet | enouf: F1-F10 is help |
| 22:33.31 | Necrogami | it's the current kernel |
| 22:33.43 | abrotman | Necrogami: no, it's not |
| 22:33.47 | enouf | no shit |
| 22:35.21 | selim | jiraia: http://rafb.net/p/eBEVKv11.html |
| 22:35.31 | Inktjet | enouf: how to start rescue mode? |
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| 22:37.04 | selim | jiraia: http://rafb.net/p/TJHWc633.html this is my main.cf seems to be a lot easier to read |
| 22:38.20 | jiraia | selim cut the parameter smtp_sasl_auth_enable = no |
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| 22:38.47 | dtatulea_ | jelly-home: Thanks again for helping. This incursion into pkg conflict resolving n stuff was really instructive and helpful! |
| 22:39.54 | enouf | Inktjet: rescue |
| 22:40.00 | Pig_Pen | i just did a debian lenny install on a PC that only has a wireless connection, and in gnome up by the clock there is the network-manager thing only shows wired connection, i know my wifi adapter is working because i seen it with lsmod, so what am i missing |
| 22:40.32 | Pig_Pen | enouf, help!!! |
| 22:40.39 | enouf | Pig_Pen: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 22:40.48 | Pig_Pen | ok, brb |
| 22:40.49 | enouf | Pig_Pen: is your module loaded? |
| 22:40.52 | Pig_Pen | yes |
| 22:41.07 | enouf | does ifconfig -a show your interface? |
| 22:41.12 | PerfDave | Pig_Pen: "lsmod" doesn't tell you whether your wifi adapter is working. Even if it is working, it doesn't mean it's supported by network-manager. |
| 22:41.33 | enouf | Pig_Pen: you have wireless-tools installed? iwconfig, etc |
| 22:41.38 | selim | jiraia: still the same problem |
| 22:41.44 | Pig_Pen | let me go see what those say commands say ifconfig -a and /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 22:41.49 | jiraia | selim the path the smtpd.conf is this /etc/postfix/sasl/smtpd.conf?? |
| 22:42.06 | Pig_Pen | no, i think iwconfig is on the second CD i bet i have to download it |
| 22:42.06 | Inktjet | enouf: i'm now in my debian file system in rescuq mode |
| 22:42.09 | enouf | Pig_Pen: /msg dpkg interfaces <-- do that in your irc clietn ;-) |
| 22:42.09 | selim | jiraia: yes |
| 22:42.17 | Inktjet | enouf: and did your pastebin cmd's |
| 22:42.21 | Pig_Pen | no net on it yet |
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| 22:42.39 | enouf | Inktjet: you don't use them with rescue |
| 22:42.40 | jiraia | selim try using in the /usr/lib/sasl/smtpd.conf |
| 22:42.54 | enouf | Pig_Pen: you're here now ;-) |
| 22:42.54 | Inktjet | enouf: what should I do dthen |
| 22:43.10 | selim | jiraia: I've already tried that still the same problem |
| 22:43.19 | enouf | Inktjet: you can chroot /target to where you told rescue where your '/' is |
| 22:43.35 | jiraia | selim what in the message erros? |
| 22:43.36 | Inktjet | enouf: don't get what you mean |
| 22:43.52 | enouf | Inktjet: i recall rescue asking me if i wanted to install grub |
| 22:44.03 | selim | jiraia: http://rafb.net/p/fcope562.html |
| 22:44.21 | Inktjet | enouf: didn't for me :< |
| 22:44.43 | enouf | Inktjet: did rescue ask you where your '/' install is? |
| 22:45.47 | Pig_Pen | i used ubuntu on it for about half a day and it annoyed the heck out of me, i gotta have slack or debian on it or i am not happy, i am going for the debian install on it |
| 22:45.56 | enouf | Inktjet: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch08s07.html.en |
| 22:46.11 | Pig_Pen | this is the wired PC in the office, the wifi PC is in the other room |
| 22:46.31 | enouf | you can still use your irc client now ;-) |
| 22:47.12 | Inktjet | enouf: yes it did ask me |
| 22:47.27 | jiraia | selim saslauthd its running? |
| 22:47.38 | enouf | and so.. are you now reading? |
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| 22:48.19 | selim | jiraia: yes it is |
| 22:48.55 | Pig_Pen | but this wired PC has slackware on it, |
| 22:48.57 | jiraia | selim because he says that the mistake did not find the application sasl |
| 22:49.20 | enouf | does that stop your irc client from working? |
| 22:49.29 | Pig_Pen | bbl (i hope) |
| 22:49.40 | selim | jiraia: no applicable SASL mechanisms not application |
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| 22:50.27 | Necrogami | has slocate been removed from Lenny? |
| 22:50.29 | nvz | wow, I stayed online the whole time I was gone.. |
| 22:50.38 | AssociateX | Hello people |
| 22:50.39 | enouf | i use dlocate |
| 22:50.44 | selim | jiraia: right now saslauthd is running with shadow auth so there is no problem, but why can't postfix find any working mechanisms |
| 22:51.06 | abrotman | !why is slocate not in testing |
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| 22:51.06 | dpkg | slocate is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=slocate |
| 22:51.17 | selim | jiraia: as I said before, it's like postfix doesn't find the smtpd.conf |
| 22:51.21 | AssociateX | Is there something that I have to do to get aptitude to find Enemy Territory True Combat the game? |
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| 22:52.25 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
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| 22:54.39 | jiraia | selim wait i'ms look the my settings in postfix |
| 22:54.42 | AssociateX | ok |
| 22:55.12 | zinx | i don't think W:ET's in Debian either, but you can install it to ~/ or whatever too, so it doesn't matter so much |
| 22:55.39 | AssociateX | ok, thanks |
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| 22:57.17 | Necrogami | if the current verison of gcc installed is 4.2.3 and i want to find the secondary installation of 4.1.3 where might GCC 4.1.3 be? |
| 22:58.45 | simonrvn | what do you mean where it is? |
| 22:58.54 | Necrogami | ok better question |
| 22:59.02 | Necrogami | how can i change my enviroment variable ~.~ |
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| 22:59.20 | simonrvn | man bash; /export |
| 22:59.30 | Necrogami | ? |
| 22:59.47 | simonrvn | (/export means do a search - / and search for export) |
| 22:59.59 | Necrogami | i have no idea where in there i would find it |
| 23:00.22 | zeitsofas | wünscht allen eine gute nacht |
| 23:00.31 | simonrvn | ... you type man bash once it's loaded you type /export |
| 23:00.42 | leonardo | Hi all. As i can see on debian we have Iceweasel and not Firefox. When i go to edit roads on www.wikimapia.com say i need Firefox to a better navigation and edit. I thought Iceweasel was = Firefox |
| 23:00.49 | leonardo | what to do? |
| 23:00.54 | Necrogami | Fuck it .. forget vmware tools |
| 23:00.56 | Necrogami | i'll just not install it |
| 23:01.03 | simonrvn | ignore it |
| 23:01.25 | simonrvn | not quite == either, but close enough |
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| 23:01.59 | Xrictoc-Anecth | hey is anyone an electrician in here ? |
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| 23:02.44 | zinx | Xrictoc-Anecth: even if they are, the question is off-topic.. also ask dpkg about polls :/ |
| 23:03.03 | Xrictoc-Anecth | not a poll |
| 23:03.16 | Xrictoc-Anecth | its a linux-knx question |
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| 23:03.30 | abrotman | how is it a linux question ? |
| 23:03.33 | zinx | "hey is anyone an electrician in here ?" is a poll |
| 23:03.35 | Bushmills | leonardo, iceweasel differs from firefox by the icon it uses |
| 23:03.37 | zinx | and not a linux question at all. |
| 23:04.07 | Xrictoc-Anecth | ok |
| 23:04.19 | leonardo | Bushmills: you want to say there's no diff? |
| 23:04.26 | zinx | Bushmills: i believe some default options were changed as well |
| 23:04.45 | Bushmills | leonardo: no. i want to say that iceweasel uses a free icon, where against firefox icon is not free |
| 23:04.47 | Xrictoc-Anecth | any used LINUX to flash program KNX,EIB devices ? zinx ? |
| 23:04.50 | Bushmills | i.e there is a diff |
| 23:05.12 | leonardo | Bushmills: so the diff is just the icon? |
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| 23:05.27 | Bushmills | leonardo: to my knowledge, yes |
| 23:05.28 | sunmao | hi all |
| 23:05.38 | leonardo | ok |
| 23:05.39 | sunmao | somebody use here squirrelmail ? |
| 23:05.43 | leonardo | thanks |
| 23:05.52 | leonardo | will report the bug in wikimapia |
| 23:06.06 | zinx | Xrictoc-Anecth: apt-cache shows some programs related to programming flash, but none specificly for "KNX,EIB" devices. you might try ##electronics or ##embedded |
| 23:06.09 | sunmao | pls write! |
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| 23:06.48 | Bushmills | sunmao: http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=squirrelmail |
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| 23:07.17 | sunmao | nice.. |
| 23:07.20 | sunmao | u use? |
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| 23:07.54 | Bushmills | i have not installed popularity-contest if that's what you want to ask |
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| 23:08.19 | sunmao | how can i add new user? |
| 23:08.40 | sunmao | when i add a new linux user |
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| 23:08.50 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to have Nautilus windows run as independent threads? All my file browsers (nautilus) respond slowly when one of them is connected to a server using SSH. |
| 23:08.51 | sunmao | and i try to login |
| 23:08.52 | sunmao | ERROR: Connection dropped by IMAP server. |
| 23:08.52 | sunmao | Query: CAPABILITY |
| 23:08.53 | Bushmills | users with accounts have a squirrel login too |
| 23:09.01 | sunmao | i get this message |
| 23:09.30 | fifafrazer | Hey, Im trying to connect to a wireless AP with NetworkManager. The network uses WPA2-PSK, and it keeps asking for password, though I am sure that I've typed it right. Im running sid btw |
| 23:09.44 | Bushmills | sunmao: check you /var/log/mail.info or .log for imap messages |
| 23:09.46 | sunmao | can i copy mail.log? |
| 23:09.50 | sunmao | ok |
| 23:10.02 | fifafrazer | I need some suggestions on what to check |
| 23:10.04 | Jemt | fifafrazer: By default only WEP encryption is supported |
| 23:10.32 | Jemt | !tell fifafrazer about wpa |
| 23:10.33 | sunmao | Apr 27 01:04:16 clans dovecot: imap-login: Aborted login: user=<sunmao>, method=PLAIN, rip=127.0.0.1, lip=127.0.0.1, secured |
| 23:10.33 | sunmao | Apr 27 01:04:24 clans dovecot: imap-login: Login: user=<sunmao>, method=PLAIN, rip=127.0.0.1, lip=127.0.0.1, secured |
| 23:10.33 | sunmao | Apr 27 01:04:24 clans dovecot: IMAP(sunmao): Ambiguous mail location setting, don't know what to do with it: /home/sunmao/.ma |
| 23:10.33 | sunmao | Apr 27 01:04:24 clans dovecot: IMAP(sunmao): Failed to create storage with data: /home/sunmao/.mail |
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| 23:10.45 | sunmao | lol |
| 23:10.46 | sunmao | mom |
| 23:11.02 | sunmao | http://pastebin.com/m1a853c1a |
| 23:11.03 | sunmao | here |
| 23:11.23 | Bushmills | sunmao: Failed to create storage with data: /home/sunmao/.mail does a ,mail directory exist? |
| 23:11.46 | sunmao | in /home/sunmao? |
| 23:11.56 | Bushmills | yes, evidently |
| 23:12.04 | fifafrazer | hmm.. Jemt, so the long list of available encryption methods in the GUI is just eye candy? |
| 23:12.05 | sunmao | yes i crated manually |
| 23:12.16 | sunmao | mkdir /home/sunmao/mail |
| 23:12.18 | sunmao | this way |
| 23:12.27 | Bushmills | does a ,mail directory exist? |
| 23:12.51 | Jemt | fifafrazer: Probably not. If the list shows more than various kinds of WEP, then they are probably supported |
| 23:13.06 | Bushmills | looks like dovecot isn't concerned about your mail dir but asks for a .mail dir |
| 23:13.22 | sunmao | yes |
| 23:13.42 | Jemt | fifafrazer: But if you own the AP, then do it the simple way to start with; no encryption and have the SSID broadcast. Then, when you are connected successfully, you may try to hide the SSID. If that still works, then try adding encryption |
| 23:13.50 | sunmao | how can i fix it? |
| 23:14.01 | Bushmills | what does ls -ld /home/sunmao/.mail give? |
| 23:14.45 | my007ms | what dpkg that have kernel header |
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| 23:14.56 | sunmao | sunmao@clans:~$ ls -ld /home/sunmao/.mail |
| 23:14.57 | sunmao | ls: /home/sunmao/.mail: No such file or directory |
| 23:15.00 | sunmao | but |
| 23:15.07 | sunmao | sunmao@clans:~$ ls |
| 23:15.07 | sunmao | mail |
| 23:15.30 | simonrvn | stop pasting here ffs |
| 23:15.35 | sunmao | ok, sorry |
| 23:15.37 | Bushmills | read the error message again |
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| 23:15.50 | sunmao | pate for u? |
| 23:16.02 | Bushmills | and wonder whether dovecot is served by creating a dir with a different name |
| 23:16.02 | sunmao | in |
| 23:16.05 | sunmao | msg ok? |
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| 23:16.13 | Bushmills | it seems to complain about a specific dir |
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| 23:16.18 | Bushmills | just provide that dir |
| 23:16.33 | NekoKun | I'm using netinst... and it can't get debootstrap... how bad is it? |
| 23:17.44 | sunmao | Bushmills |
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| 23:17.53 | sunmao | sot what should i have to do? |
| 23:18.01 | Bushmills | sunmao:read the error message |
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| 23:18.07 | Bushmills | look what dir it wants |
| 23:18.11 | sunmao | Connection dropped by IMAP server. |
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| 23:18.23 | sunmao | http://pastebin.com/m1a853c1a |
| 23:18.34 | Bushmills | ls: /home/sunmao/.mail: No such file or directory -- you pasted that yourself |
| 23:18.38 | Bushmills | fix that |
| 23:19.12 | cua0 | anyone know why it takes 5 seconds for the "password:" prompt to show up when i ssh to my server from inside the local network, yet from the outside network it's instantaneous? |
| 23:19.22 | sunmao | i fixed |
| 23:19.27 | joltcan | cua0: It cant resolv you IP probably |
| 23:19.29 | sunmao | but i got the same message |
| 23:19.41 | pinto3 | maybe it's checking the validity of your connection |
| 23:19.58 | Bushmills | what does ls -ld /home/sunmao/.mail give now? |
| 23:20.06 | sunmao | msg |
| 23:20.21 | fifafrazer | okay, I have now disabled the key on the wireless network, and I am able to connect, but the signal is only at 25% and the AP is only 2 feet from the laptop.. Crappy antenna or what? |
| 23:20.34 | cua0 | hrm, maybe i'll try adding the local ip to hosts.allow, think that'd speed things up? |
| 23:20.44 | sunmao | Bushmills |
| 23:20.46 | sunmao | i wrote |
| 23:20.48 | sunmao | message |
| 23:20.58 | joltcan | cua0: Yeah, or read /var/log/auth and see if it complains about something |
| 23:21.04 | joltcan | cua0: s/or/and/ |
| 23:21.14 | cua0 | ya, there's an idea. |
| 23:21.31 | sunmao | Bushmills |
| 23:21.34 | sunmao | are u here? |
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| 23:22.14 | NekoKun | is noticing the difference between ubuntu and debian |
| 23:22.18 | Bushmills | sorry, can't help you. i don't want to ask three times until i get a reply to what the output of the command is. |
| 23:22.51 | sunmao | i wrote is |
| 23:22.56 | sunmao | it |
| 23:23.07 | cua0 | lol, looks like someone has been trying to log in as root |
| 23:23.31 | joltcan | cua0: fail2ban ftw |
| 23:23.43 | cua0 | 70.86.9.234 |
| 23:23.46 | sunmao | <sunmao> sunmao@clans:~$ ls -ld /home/sunmao/.mail |
| 23:23.46 | sunmao | <sunmao> drwxr-xr-x 2 sunmao sunmao 48 2008-04-27 01:18 /home/sunmao/.mail |
| 23:24.54 | jaggz- | how can I force-install konsole when it has unmet dependency issues? |
| 23:25.01 | Bushmills | sunmao: now check why squirrel complains about /home/sunmao/.ma |
| 23:25.12 | fifafrazer | WPA-PSK works as well |
| 23:25.17 | cua0 | ok bbl |
| 23:25.20 | Bushmills | (third line of your log paste) |
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| 23:25.42 | sunmao | yes i see |
| 23:26.17 | sunmao | where or how can i check? |
| 23:26.20 | Bushmills | actually, dovecot. not squirrelmail |
| 23:26.33 | Bushmills | check the config file |
| 23:26.39 | sunmao | yes its a combition |
| 23:26.55 | jaggz- | aptitude just deleted a bunch of packages because I messed up my python package version -- how can I get a log of what was removed? |
| 23:26.55 | sunmao | mysql+squirrel+dovecot+postix |
| 23:28.39 | sunmao | +qmail |
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| 23:29.27 | lindenle | Iam trying to use x11vnc to connect to a remote desktop and not having any luck can anyone help me |
| 23:30.18 | sunmao | Bushmills |
| 23:30.26 | engla | jaggz-: I'm just dumb user but I noticed the files in /var/lib/aptitue/pkgstates and pkgstates.old might help |
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| 23:30.43 | sunmao | dovecot.log not exist |
| 23:32.41 | sunmao | Bushmills |
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| 23:34.27 | sunmao | Bushmills |
| 23:34.31 | sunmao | pls write me |
| 23:36.14 | sunmao | than |
| 23:36.15 | k-man | i added a sata raid card to my pc, but for some reason it doesn't seem to show up in lspci |
| 23:36.21 | sunmao | thx da help |
| 23:36.32 | sunmao | i hope i find the solution.. :( |
| 23:36.49 | sunmao | because i tryin for 2 days this shit.. |
| 23:37.48 | sunmao | bye |
| 23:38.45 | quieteyes | sunmao: are you sure you don't have a hardware conflict? (and yes, they still occur, even in this day and age) |
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| 23:39.37 | sunmao | no |
| 23:39.43 | sunmao | its not hardware problema |
| 23:39.48 | sunmao | its 100% |
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| 23:42.06 | lindenle | I needed a new version of x11vnc |
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| 23:44.13 | Ntemis | hello |
| 23:44.14 | lindenle | or use -rfbversio 3.7 |
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| 23:46.06 | lindenle | I use my server as a media center, does anyone have a good sugesstion for interfacing a remote with linux? Should work as a mouse and maybe keyboard... |
| 23:47.51 | jintxo | lindenle, I've used lirc for that (have an avermedia 98 remote) used it as mouse and a button for switching to play,stop,volume mode. takes a while to figure out though! :-) see if your remote is supported |
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| 23:48.28 | lindenle | jintxo: i will....I guess i also need an ir reciever huh... |
| 23:48.40 | jintxo | lindenle, depends on what you got. |
| 23:48.58 | jintxo | my avermedia capture card came with remote and receiver as "extras" |
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| 23:49.42 | Ntemis | anyone here with experience on via unichrome pro card? |
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| 23:49.56 | Ntemis | i have aserious problem with this onboard card |
| 23:50.09 | Ntemis | i cannot play anything |
| 23:50.38 | Ntemis | i have a green screen and the sytem froze up until i close the application |
| 23:50.46 | lindenle | jintxo: I was using a wirelees remote and keyboard but the reciever died....maybe in a move |
| 23:52.17 | peleg | do you know about any imap server that will work with exim, besides courier? |
| 23:52.17 | dpkg | eagerly does you know about any imap server that will work with exim, besides courier |
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| 23:52.36 | peleg | that was fast :-) |
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| 23:58.04 | NOOBiSAN | can anybody tell me how interprete a binary file through a hex editor |
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| 23:58.41 | peleg | I am trying to install dovecot; I get "Err http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main dovecot-imapd 1.0.rc15-2etch3 404 Not Found [IP: 130.89.175.54 80]" ... any ideas? |
| 23:59.05 | amphi | NOOBiSAN: you probably want a disassembler for that; you can use objdump, or biew is more friendly |
| 23:59.10 | Bushmills | NOOBiSAN: binary file can be anything which is not plain text. how to interpret depends on what kind of file it is |
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| 23:59.27 | NOOBiSAN | its vb |
| 23:59.37 | NOOBiSAN | from what I read there |
| 23:59.44 | Bushmills | vb ? "very binary" ? |
| 23:59.49 | NOOBiSAN | vbs |
| 23:59.49 | *** part/#debian patrick-- (i=patrick@devnull.biz) |
| 23:59.51 | amphi | heh |
| 23:59.51 | NOOBiSAN | :) |
