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| 00:01.14 | curtmack | oh yeah, update |
| 00:01.21 | summatusmentis | I was stripping down packages that i had on my system, and now I can't get my network interfaces to come up on boot, what did I delete? |
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| 00:01.28 | Wyzard | extor: depends on whether the problem is specific to Deban... does it happen with 64-bit or PAE kernels in other distros? |
| 00:01.28 | curtmack | umm, to jamon: alt-sysrq does nothing |
| 00:01.42 | curtmack | and to Tramp, I'm running memtest now |
| 00:01.47 | jamon | curtmack: ok, memtest then |
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| 00:01.55 | jamon | and check your bios settings |
| 00:02.13 | curtmack | already did, nothing looks awry that I can tell |
| 00:02.39 | extor | Wyzard the problem I believe is a bug in the intel bios for the 965 chipset..:( |
| 00:02.47 | curtmack | just making sure, you did here that this was after I installed a new processor? |
| 00:02.50 | curtmack | *hear |
| 00:02.55 | Wyzard | extor: then that's not a Linux bug at all... but see if you can get a BIOS update |
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| 00:03.13 | Wyzard | extor: I'm using a P965-based system and I don't have any problems like that |
| 00:03.18 | jamon | curtmack: yes, and the processor model is what exactly? |
| 00:03.39 | curtmack | AMD Athlon |
| 00:03.53 | Wyzard | extor: though I'm using an Abit motherboard... I do vaguely recall hearing something about problems specifically with Intel's own motherboards |
| 00:03.56 | benjamindees | wow; ghostscript is so fantastically retarded; it produces identical output regardless of the -sPAPERSIZE option ;-/ |
| 00:04.01 | mo1991 | thewill i have found my solution to my windows booting problem. Wipin it off and run just linux. I'll run win in vmare if needed :) I see it as an insult to my lappy anyway to have winblows on there |
| 00:04.06 | curtmack | upgraded from 512 MHz to 1 GHz if it matters |
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| 00:04.17 | jamon | curtmack: try a small netinst livecd/usb |
| 00:04.22 | jamon | see if you can boot that |
| 00:04.32 | curtmack | netinst? |
| 00:04.35 | jamon | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#verysmall |
| 00:04.48 | curtmack | ah okay |
| 00:05.05 | extor | Wyzard so where will I find some forums...I can find a few links relating to the problem. Lemme dig them up |
| 00:05.12 | jamon | curtmack: to verify that there's something with your specific kernel versus hardware |
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| 00:05.38 | curtmack | actually, I have a Knoppix disc lying around, would trying to boot that work? |
| 00:05.45 | jamon | curtmack: you'll be able to mount your existing install and generate a new initrd.img too |
| 00:05.49 | jamon | knoppix would work too |
| 00:05.53 | curtmack | okay |
| 00:06.00 | Wyzard | extor: A Google search for "Intel 965 PAE BIOS" turned up: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-157232.html |
| 00:06.06 | rrrggghhh | ok so i finally get into my debian, and fsck gives me a thousand errors, "too many illegal blocks in inode...." |
| 00:06.17 | extor | http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=157232 |
| 00:06.21 | rrrggghhh | i take it this means i have, a serious problem |
| 00:06.25 | extor | Wyzard--you beat me to it |
| 00:06.37 | dondelelcaro | rrrggghhh: yeah, that's generally not so hot |
| 00:06.40 | extor | Yeah so that is the problem...the solution may be a "kernel patch" of some sort |
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| 00:06.53 | rrrggghhh | eek |
| 00:07.02 | extor | Kinda how they patched the pentium floating point bug, in this case there needs to be something does that checks, and then remaps memory? |
| 00:07.20 | rrrggghhh | well |
| 00:07.22 | rrrggghhh | where do i start |
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| 00:07.43 | AwesomeGuy | I have every port forwarded to my laptop, but I still can't connect to it with ftp |
| 00:07.48 | AwesomeGuy | I have proftpd running |
| 00:07.49 | summatusmentis | what package installs /etc/init.d/networking? |
| 00:07.54 | AwesomeGuy | it worked without the wireless router |
| 00:08.18 | AwesomeGuy | ??? |
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| 00:08.33 | unop | summatusmentis, it's contained in netbase |
| 00:08.40 | extor | http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=943743&postcount=49 <=-- posts like this really make me wonder, am I doing things right? |
| 00:08.41 | summatusmentis | unop: ok, thanks |
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| 00:09.16 | unop | summatusmentis, dpkg -S /etc/init.d/networking |
| 00:09.16 | AwesomeGuy | how do I tell what my ip is? not the ipchicken kind the 192.168.1.* one |
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| 00:09.28 | unop | ifconfig |
| 00:09.41 | properze1 | ip addr |
| 00:09.49 | AwesomeGuy | wait, i forgot to click 'enable' on the forwarding thing -.- |
| 00:10.24 | summatusmentis | unop: oh cool, I didn't know dpkg had that capability |
| 00:10.25 | summatusmentis | thanks |
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| 00:15.32 | AwesomeGuy | I installed apache, I'm a web server now |
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| 00:18.48 | magyar | hi, I have apache2 installed on Etch. I get no access.log logging, how can I enable it? |
| 00:18.57 | AwesomeGuy | if ftp.us.debian.org down |
| 00:19.13 | AwesomeGuy | my apt-get install is stuck at 0% |
| 00:19.19 | abrotman | so use another mirror |
| 00:19.41 | AwesomeGuy | nvm got it |
| 00:19.49 | abrotman | magyar: no access.log where? |
| 00:20.21 | magyar | abrotman: /var/log/apache2/access.log |
| 00:20.35 | magyar | I access the website but there is no logs |
| 00:20.43 | abrotman | magyar: how long did you wait? |
| 00:20.55 | magyar | a few days |
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| 00:22.02 | magyar | abrotman: on Sarge works good, but on Etch no logs except for a bunch of "::1 - - [28/Apr/2008:20:09:31 -0400] "GET /" 400 649 "-" "-"" |
| 00:22.14 | abrotman | and? |
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| 00:22.54 | magyar | abrotman: not sure if i need to enable the logging for each virtual host in Etch |
| 00:24.48 | epsilon | depends on your apache conf |
| 00:24.50 | curtmack | okay, problem: memtest hangs just like Debian boot |
| 00:25.05 | curtmack | and I'm going to go out on a limb and presume a Knoppix boot would probably do the exact same thing... |
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| 00:25.29 | epsilon | curtmack: broken RAM/hardware? |
| 00:25.35 | WormFood | hardware problem? |
| 00:25.44 | curtmack | that's all I can guess |
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| 00:25.50 | curtmack | time to switch back to the old processor |
| 00:26.43 | WormFood | don't overclock it :P |
| 00:26.45 | preds | I'm using the debian skeleton init script to write my own. Does anybody know if environment variables I set in this script are accessible to the application that is executed? |
| 00:28.13 | magyar | abrotman: it seems as in Etch each virtual host must have a log file |
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| 00:34.05 | jamon | curtmack: check that the cpu is seated properly |
| 00:34.14 | jamon | and errata from your motherboard's manual |
| 00:34.26 | WormFood | if it wasn't seated properly, then I'd expect it not to run at all |
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| 00:34.44 | AwesomeGuy | how do I uninstall gcc? |
| 00:34.54 | jamon | sometimes they do WormFood |
| 00:34.54 | abrotman | aptitude remove libgcc1 ? |
| 00:35.09 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: if you used aptitude to install it .. you can aptitude remove gcc |
| 00:35.41 | curtmack | jamon: so let's say one of the rubber pads that cushions the CPU from the heatsink were slightly out of alignment... |
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| 00:35.59 | jamon | too much cpu grease can cause over heating too |
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| 00:46.12 | curtmack | CPU grease? |
| 00:46.30 | simonrvn | coolant goo |
| 00:46.54 | curtmack | ah |
| 00:46.56 | curtmack | none of that |
| 00:47.18 | dondelelcaro | thermal paste is what you're looking for |
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| 00:48.55 | curtmack | should I get some of that? |
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| 00:49.12 | abrotman | curtmack: it's a newer machine? |
| 00:49.21 | curtmack | like, which part of it? |
| 00:49.25 | abrotman | the CPU |
| 00:49.30 | curtmack | no, not really |
| 00:49.31 | abrotman | you know .. the part that is likely fried |
| 00:49.36 | curtmack | 1 GHz |
| 00:49.47 | abrotman | is it a slot or a socket? |
| 00:49.58 | abrotman | is it a 2"x2" square or a 4" socket? |
| 00:50.02 | abrotman | erm .. 4" slot |
| 00:50.04 | curtmack | socket |
| 00:50.05 | curtmack | erm |
| 00:50.06 | curtmack | square |
| 00:50.09 | curtmack | whatever |
| 00:50.14 | grul | good question |
| 00:50.24 | abrotman | and there's no grease anywhere? not the CPU fan or the CPU itself? |
| 00:50.28 | curtmack | the big beige thing that has a bunch of holes in it |
| 00:50.29 | abrotman | thermal paste |
| 00:50.32 | curtmack | no |
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| 00:50.36 | abrotman | not good |
| 00:50.37 | curtmack | that's the white stuff right? |
| 00:50.42 | curtmack | ah, okay then |
| 00:50.44 | abrotman | white/silver |
| 00:50.49 | abrotman | sometimes gray |
| 00:51.14 | curtmack | joy |
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| 00:51.27 | curtmack | well, I'll look into it |
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| 00:51.39 | abrotman | just take a good whiff :) |
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| 00:54.09 | curtmack | nah, 17-year-olds "taking a good whiff" is why most of this stuff is behind the counter with the cigarettes nowadays -_- |
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| 01:03.07 | moos3 | how can I schedule a command to exectue a given time only once? |
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| 01:03.44 | abrotman | at |
| 01:03.45 | gravity | moos3: at |
| 01:03.53 | moos3 | like I want to be able to send a email using my python NOC system when I task is made |
| 01:03.55 | gravity | I lose |
| 01:04.22 | moos3 | but is there a way to return the job number? |
| 01:04.32 | abrotman | man atd ? |
| 01:04.39 | moos3 | k thanks |
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| 01:07.39 | tavo_ | hello |
| 01:08.16 | tavo_ | is there anyone who's got mkvtools working on a debian box? |
| 01:09.49 | amphi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.12 | tavo_ | yes |
| 01:10.31 | tavo_ | I've got lenny installed |
| 01:10.51 | tavo_ | and with every video I try to open I get an error |
| 01:11.20 | tavo_ | "mkvmerge: symbol lookup error: mkvmerge: undefined symbol: _ZN7pcrecpp2RE6no_argE" |
| 01:13.16 | Wyzard | tavo_: That's the coded form of the C++ function name pcrecpp::RE::no_arg |
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| 01:13.24 | amphi | tavo_: same here, I just tried |
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| 01:13.30 | Wyzard | tavo_: which sounds like a C++ binding of the PCRE regular-expressions library |
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| 01:14.47 | tavo_ | and what should I do? I tried rebuilding libpcrecpp0 and then mkvtoolnix with no luck |
| 01:14.59 | Wyzard | You shouldn't need to rebuild anything |
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| 01:15.38 | Tramp | tavo_: you checked the bts? and found bug 437144 |
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| 01:16.01 | tavo_ | I've got to go, now, but I'll leave this connected. I'll be back in an hour |
| 01:16.05 | tavo_ | thanks anyway |
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| 01:24.06 | naiv | how do you say in english : firstname, middlename, and ? (3rd name) |
| 01:24.12 | Wyzard | naiv: last name |
| 01:24.20 | naiv | Wyzard, nooooo |
| 01:24.40 | naiv | a 3rd name, not the lastname |
| 01:25.03 | Wyzard | Some people have two middle names, though that's uncommon |
| 01:25.12 | naiv | i have ;p |
| 01:25.29 | amphi | it's quite common in much of Yurp |
| 01:25.33 | naiv | ok, then 'second middlename' |
| 01:25.34 | Wyzard | naiv: but in, for example, "Linus Benedict Torvalds", "Torvalds" is the last name |
| 01:25.52 | Wyzard | I've never heard of a specific term for a second middle name |
| 01:25.55 | amphi | 'Torvalds' is the surname |
| 01:26.16 | Wyzard | depends on whch dialect of English you're referring to, I guess |
| 01:27.01 | WormFood | you should use "family name" instead of "last name", because in asia the "first name" is the family name |
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| 01:27.30 | WormFood | so "first name" and "last name" becomes confusing |
| 01:27.52 | Wyzard | WormFood: when I'm using Western and Asian names together, I use "given name" and "family name" to avoid that ambiguity |
| 01:28.05 | Wyzard | but that's not day-to-day speech |
| 01:28.09 | WormFood | it is still ambiguous, because it is not clear |
| 01:28.16 | naiv | thx for advice |
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| 01:28.43 | naiv | given name is like first name ? |
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| 01:29.08 | WormFood | naiv, in asia, it is common to put the family name first, then the given name |
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| 01:29.14 | Wyzard | naiv: yes, in English and other Western cultures |
| 01:29.16 | naiv | okay |
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| 01:30.06 | amphi | tavo_: I just built the mkvtoolnix src package, and it no longer has that error, FWIW |
| 01:30.13 | Wyzard | WormFood: FWIW, Japanese names seem to be typically written in Western order when they're written in romanji |
| 01:30.52 | WormFood | but I'm sure they write it the other way around when written in japanese |
| 01:30.56 | Wyzard | yep |
| 01:31.08 | WormFood | I live in China right now, so I have to deal with names both ways |
| 01:31.26 | Wyzard | ah, yes, you've mentioned that before but I forgot |
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| 01:32.04 | dub | anyone using a web100 patch against deb kernels? |
| 01:32.22 | dub | should be ok or better to hand roll |
| 01:32.25 | dub | ? |
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| 01:33.45 | amphi | tavo_: are you on amd64 perchance? |
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| 01:34.47 | dub | (unsure if this made it to chan previously) |
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| 01:35.01 | dub | anyone using web100 patch against deb kernels? |
| 01:35.20 | lindenle | How do I tell apt-get to use a socks proxy |
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| 01:37.10 | s_i_m | lindenle, i do not know if it can use socks directy, but you always have tsocks as an option. |
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| 01:38.48 | s_i_m | lindenle, tsocks <some-command> |
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| 01:43.49 | lindenle | What is the package that tells me what I have recently updated? |
| 01:43.59 | lindenle | my mlb.com tv has stopped working |
| 01:44.06 | lindenle | :( |
| 01:44.47 | abrotman | lindenle: yankees are winning, bal/chw suspended |
| 01:45.24 | abrotman | lindenle: /var/log/dpkg.log |
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| 01:49.21 | stew | lindenle: my wife's recently stopped working without her upgrading any packages |
| 01:49.37 | abrotman | lies! |
| 01:49.41 | abrotman | blames the admin |
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| 01:49.59 | rrrggghhh | patches up your wife's dpkg |
| 01:50.04 | rrrggghhh | with his penis |
| 01:50.17 | rrrggghhh | sorry, it was too easy? |
| 01:50.21 | lindenle | stew: mine worked like 2 hours ago |
| 01:50.23 | lindenle | wtf |
| 01:50.39 | lindenle | f*&* the yankees |
| 01:50.40 | amphi | is it Sunday? |
| 01:50.44 | tavo_ | amphi, are you still there? in response to you, I am not on amd64, I have an athlon XP. And I have also rebuilt the mkvtoolnix package from source but the error persists |
| 01:50.54 | abrotman | amphi: on mars? |
| 01:51.05 | lindenle | it seams to be trying to use silverlight |
| 01:51.08 | lindenle | seems |
| 01:51.47 | amphi | tavo_: strange; I'm on amd64, and mkvmerge successfully converted a small avi I fed it |
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| 01:52.13 | amphi | tavo_: the locally built mkvmerge, that is to say |
| 01:52.38 | abrotman | lindenle: the "demo" seems to work for me |
| 01:53.07 | tavo_ | how did you build the package? I did apt-build and didn't work. then I downloaded the source via svn and didn't work, again |
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| 01:53.57 | stew | lindenle: she says she is using an extension called firebug, loads the page, firebug console lists the url its trying to play, she copies that url and plays it in vlc |
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| 01:54.21 | stew | lindenle: and its an mms:// url |
| 01:54.45 | amphi | tavo_: I did 'apt-get source mkvtoolnix', 'apt-get build-dep mkvtoolnix' and 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc' |
| 01:54.46 | lindenle | stew ill try that |
| 01:55.10 | amphi | tavo_: and install the resulting .deb |
| 01:55.20 | tavo_ | ok, I will try that way, just in case... |
| 01:57.54 | s_i_m | tavo_: I am on Athlon XP here, I can test something if needed. |
| 01:58.31 | lindenle | stew: no luck :( |
| 01:58.47 | stew | lindenle: did you find the url? |
| 01:58.58 | lindenle | yes |
| 01:59.23 | stew | lindenle: "tell him make sure to put quotes around the url, and remove murl: from the beginning" |
| 01:59.30 | stew | and the trailing space |
| 01:59.52 | stew | lindenle: did it ask you to login first? |
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| 02:00.28 | lindenle | im logged in |
| 02:00.35 | lindenle | and i did those things |
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| 02:03.29 | lindenle | cleared my cache and now my normal mplayer plugin is working for it again (COL vs. SF anyway) |
| 02:03.31 | lindenle | weird |
| 02:05.14 | abrotman | lindenle: COL wins :) |
| 02:05.23 | lindenle | abrotman: you suck |
| 02:05.37 | abrotman | lindenle: does Zito still have a job? :) |
| 02:05.42 | lindenle | :( |
| 02:05.57 | abrotman | ah .. the 21 million dollar reliever! |
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| 02:08.45 | eps_ | I am using stable but I need to install synaptic from testing for it's auth feature. how do I do this properly? |
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| 02:09.03 | abrotman | !tell eps_ about ssb |
| 02:09.49 | eps_ | thanks abrecus |
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| 02:14.53 | ftp3 | is there a way to tell what cpu speed and memory a computer is, from the debian root # prompt? |
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| 02:15.25 | dondelelcaro | ftp3: free, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 02:16.24 | unixSnob | After installing debian for the first time, it looks like I ended up with the wrong kernel.. when I look at the kernel choices at boot time, there is no "smp" kernel |
| 02:16.40 | unixSnob | Does that mean my dual processor box is only using 1 processor? |
| 02:17.07 | unixSnob | I thought top would show me which processes are on which cpu, but there is no column to tell me that |
| 02:17.08 | tavo_ | amphi: yes! that did the trick. I wonder why recompiling this package this way is different than compiling via apt-build or from the svn source... |
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| 02:17.44 | pinto3 | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 02:18.04 | ftp3 | thanks :-) |
| 02:18.39 | pinto3 | there's a top command to switch between viewing cores/cpue's too |
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| 02:18.55 | abrotman | unixSnob: uname -a |
| 02:19.15 | unixSnob | thanks pinto3, cpuinfo shows two processes |
| 02:19.21 | dondelelcaro | unixSnob: the -686 kernels are all smp. |
| 02:19.22 | lostson | so to upgrade from etch to lenny just change my sources list to lenny instead of etch ? |
| 02:19.30 | dondelelcaro | lostson: pretty much. |
| 02:19.32 | unixSnob | ah, and uname -a does as well.. ty |
| 02:19.48 | lostson | testing pretty solid ? |
| 02:20.09 | unixSnob | I just need to get the other top view |
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| 02:20.13 | abrotman | depends on how you define stable |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | erm .. solid |
| 02:20.39 | lostson | good enough for everyday usage ? |
| 02:20.40 | pinto3 | try pressing 1 in top |
| 02:20.47 | abrotman | lostson: in most cases, so far |
| 02:20.50 | pinto3 | ? gives a list of commands |
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| 02:21.11 | CompWizrd | htop will show each cpu by default as well |
| 02:21.43 | amphi | tavo_: strange |
| 02:22.24 | amphi | unixSnob: or try htop |
| 02:22.28 | lostson | i did that once before upgraded to a testing branch and it did not go so good lol |
| 02:22.49 | unixSnob | amphi, htop isn't known |
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| 02:23.22 | unixSnob | pinto3, 1 showed the load on each cpu. Though I'm also interested in seeing process allocation |
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| 02:23.36 | golumn | hey guys, does someone know a program to convert from mp3 to gsm |
| 02:23.41 | unixSnob | Running azureus brings my system to its knees |
| 02:23.53 | jamon | golumn: probably ffmpeg, not sure though |
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| 02:24.36 | tavo_ | well, it doesn't matter... Thank you, amphi! |
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| 02:25.15 | rrrggghhh | debian |
| 02:25.26 | rrrggghhh | is there such a thing as porn, where the people fucking, are actually, in love |
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| 02:26.05 | abrotman | rrrggghhh: you've been quieted for 10 minutes. keep it on topic |
| 02:26.41 | jamon | unixSnob: try rtorrent |
| 02:27.06 | unixSnob | amorel, i have htop now.. very cool.. though still no column to show process/cpu assignment |
| 02:27.13 | unixSnob | jamon, I'll check it out |
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| 02:27.26 | jamon | ncurses++ |
| 02:27.26 | abrotman | unixSnob: isn't azruersus java ? |
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| 02:27.53 | unixSnob | abrotman, yes, and perhaps that's the problem |
| 02:28.08 | abrotman | did you install a sun jre? or you're using one of the free ones ? |
| 02:28.19 | amphi | tavo_: welcome |
| 02:28.33 | unixSnob | 128 MB may be what's killing me w/ azureus |
| 02:28.43 | unixSnob | (of memory) |
| 02:28.51 | abrotman | total system ram ? |
| 02:29.26 | unixSnob | abrotman, that's physical only.. 4 times that is my total |
| 02:29.26 | keram | that would probably do it, azureus is java and java is a memory hog |
| 02:29.39 | abrotman | swap is fine and all .. but not fast |
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| 02:30.12 | keram | you can use gmemusage to see how much memory its using |
| 02:31.57 | jamon | yeah, rtorrent is at about 6.5mb RSS for me with a few linux isos being seeded |
| 02:32.05 | unixSnob | yeah, I think it was swapping like mad. I'm on a 1xRTT net connection, so there was no reason for the HDD to be as active as it was |
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| 02:33.16 | s_i_m | unixSnob, there is possibility to tell java how much memory to use for the VM. -Xmx and -Xmn options. |
| 02:33.35 | abrotman | s_i_m: i heard it won't take anything less than a three digit number :) |
| 02:34.14 | jamon | yeah what abrotman said |
| 02:34.14 | abrotman | i was joking |
| 02:34.14 | unixSnob | golumn, I know red hat comes w/ a tool to convert to/from GSM |
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| 02:34.14 | s_i_m | abrotman, at least -Xmn will take ;) |
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| 02:34.17 | unixSnob | golumn, can't think of the name off the top of my head though |
| 02:34.26 | golumn | thanks, will search on that |
| 02:34.28 | jamon | i've never tried without at least 128mb :) |
| 02:34.40 | abrotman | unixSnob: sox ? |
| 02:34.43 | unixSnob | s_i_m, i might have to check into that.. I quite like azureus |
| 02:34.54 | unixSnob | abrotman, yes, that's what i was thinking of |
| 02:35.01 | abrotman | shouldn't you tell golumn ? |
| 02:35.21 | unixSnob | golumn, there's your answer |
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| 02:38.54 | unixSnob | s_i_m, right on the money buddy! I found this in the shell script that's installed by default => JAVA='java -Xmx1024M' |
| 02:39.07 | unixSnob | it's set up to grab a gig of ram automatically |
| 02:39.22 | abrotman | that seems .. bad |
| 02:39.37 | unixSnob | I'm surprized it didn't fail, since i don't even that that much to swap with |
| 02:40.07 | unixSnob | yeah.. perhaps I'm reading that wrong.. could it be mega/bits/? |
| 02:40.25 | unixSnob | it's unreasonable even for a modern machine to take that much for java vm |
| 02:40.27 | jamon | xmx is heap, it isn't automatically used on initialization I don't think |
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| 02:41.33 | unixSnob | jamon, so that's a maximum? I should still lower it.. but I suspect you're right |
| 02:42.15 | jamon | it's the max heap size that java can use for that thread |
| 02:42.22 | jamon | i'm sure lowering it will be fine |
| 02:42.35 | jamon | unless you have hundreds of torrents on a fast pipe |
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| 02:43.05 | jamon | but then I'd worry more about your ip_conntrack table before java |
| 02:43.34 | unixSnob | I'm on a 1xRTT connection, so very small pipe anyway |
| 02:43.43 | jamon | ah |
| 02:44.24 | unixSnob | lowered that xmx value to 256MB... muuuch better |
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| 02:45.07 | unixSnob | before, it was taking like 15-20 seconds to redraw a window after switching desktops |
| 02:45.15 | unixSnob | now it's ~2 sec. |
| 02:45.26 | abrotman | votes for rtorrent |
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| 02:46.24 | jamon | heh, it's certainly a change from ktorrent or azureus, but so speedy and it runs in a screen session so.. |
| 02:46.41 | jamon | anything that runs in screen is bound to be better :) |
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| 02:47.41 | PEBMAC | Hi guys, may i know what program is able to lock the account after a number of failed login? |
| 02:47.59 | unixSnob | screen? I haven't heard about that in a decade.. I wonder if that's what I remember it being.. is that the tool that lets you mount and unmount xterm sessions? |
| 02:48.21 | abrotman | roughly yes |
| 02:48.33 | s_i_m | unixSnob, not exactly =) |
| 02:48.43 | jamon | unixSnob: sort of, not xterm, think tty sessions |
| 02:48.51 | jamon | so any remote shell |
| 02:49.12 | unixSnob | yeah, it's coming back to me now |
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| 02:49.51 | jamon | e.g. irssi+silc in one screen window, rtorrent in another, mutt in another etc. |
| 02:49.54 | unixSnob | it's quite useful to unmount, logout, then login later and remount, while the process still works in the backgournd |
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| 02:50.59 | abrotman | !tell atila about root |
| 02:51.59 | unixSnob | has been using red hat for the past 5+ years, and having recently switched to debian, he feels like he got out of jail |
| 02:52.16 | cafuego | abrotman: i'm pretty sure dpkg does that automagically |
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| 02:52.26 | abrotman | cafuego: i think he stopped like four years ago :) |
| 02:52.33 | cafuego | pfff |
| 02:52.37 | jamon | unixSnob: it is rather refreshing isn't it? |
| 02:52.42 | abrotman | cafuego: though dpkg has recently taken to talking out of turn |
| 02:52.58 | abrotman | aw crap |
| 02:53.02 | abrotman | i don't get it |
| 02:53.16 | abrotman | aw crap... i knew i shoulda payed better attention to the last screen... what kind of keyboard layout for notebook? |
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| 02:53.16 | dpkg | crap... i knew i shoulda payed better attention to the last screen... what kind of keyboard layout for notebook: you action whore! |
| 02:53.23 | abrotman | i *really* don't get it |
| 02:53.23 | unixSnob | jamon, nice to be able to upgrade things.. and install new packages w/out fear of messing up another one |
| 02:53.31 | cafuego | !aw abrotman |
| 02:53.32 | dpkg | abrotman: you action whore! |
| 02:53.38 | abrotman | not quite the same |
| 02:53.45 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 02:53.54 | abrotman | but there's no control character |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | oh well |
| 02:54.27 | cafuego | abrotman: it's taking non-! text as input it seems |
| 02:54.32 | jamon | does dpkg have some rudimentary markovian heuristics going on? |
| 02:54.36 | abrotman | yeah .. i figure don knows about it |
| 02:54.54 | abrotman | jamon: it's a bot |
| 02:54.54 | abrotman | it spits out what you feed it |
| 02:54.58 | abrotman | or rather .. it's supposed to |
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| 02:55.00 | cafuego | aw dondelelcaro broke dpkg |
| 02:55.15 | cafuego | hmm |
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| 02:55.48 | jamon | abrotman: yeah, just some of them have some markov set analysis to parse input and come up with original semi-intelligible responses |
| 02:56.11 | cafuego | jamon: yeah, but that's been turned off on dpkg thusfar |
| 02:56.13 | abrotman | i guess it's there .. but it didn't used to do it |
| 02:56.22 | cafuego | aw dondelelcaro broke dpkg? |
| 02:56.38 | cafuego | odd |
| 02:56.40 | abrotman | see .. doesn't seem to do it on a regular basis |
| 02:56.40 | cafuego | oh well |
| 02:56.41 | jamon | heh |
| 02:56.51 | abrotman | aw cafuego is a sheep lover |
| 02:56.53 | jamon | adds some character |
| 02:57.03 | cafuego | abrotman: it probably loves you harder than it loves me |
| 02:57.10 | abrotman | cafuego: the bot or the sheep? |
| 02:57.18 | cafuego | abrotman: yes |
| 02:57.21 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:57.34 | cafuego | abrotman: it seems to be \w .* \? |
| 02:57.41 | cafuego | where \w is a command |
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| 02:57.47 | abrotman | aw cafuego is a sheep lover? |
| 02:57.50 | abrotman | no idea |
| 02:58.14 | abrotman | aw cafuego is .. a sheep lover? |
| 02:58.24 | stew | do it seem like it's only certain leading words? |
| 02:58.29 | cafuego | abrotman: Still in Australia, not New Zealand |
| 02:58.35 | hardbop200 | hello all! can someone recommend a gui text editor that will 1)open files on an ftp server and allow editing from there (a la Zend for Win), and 2)doesn't depend on kde or gnome? :) |
| 02:58.42 | abrotman | stew: i think it's actually only two letter words that i've seen |
| 02:58.46 | abrotman | do you think i'll go to hell |
| 02:58.50 | cafuego | hardbop200: BBEdit |
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| 02:58.51 | abrotman | GRR |
| 02:59.07 | abrotman | do you have option "fglrx" in device area in your xorg.conf |
| 02:59.16 | cafuego | Note, bbedit may depend on mac os x |
| 02:59.32 | abrotman | do you have option "fglrx" in device area in your xorg.conf? |
| 02:59.33 | dpkg | wonders why it should do you have option "fglrx" in device area in your xorg.conf |
| 02:59.35 | abrotman | see |
| 02:59.44 | cafuego | abrotman: it's just you |
| 02:59.51 | abrotman | cafuego: IS NOT .. you try it! |
| 03:00.06 | cafuego | petasmite who in the what now? |
| 03:00.21 | cafuego | abrotman: it's just you |
| 03:00.26 | abrotman | NOT! |
| 03:00.29 | stew | action whore |
| 03:00.30 | cafuego | or hole on |
| 03:00.33 | cafuego | petasmite who in the what now |
| 03:00.36 | cafuego | petasmite who in the what now? |
| 03:00.42 | abrotman | !sw cafuego |
| 03:00.42 | dpkg | cafuego: you stats whore! |
| 03:00.44 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:00.49 | cafuego | feh unto thee |
| 03:00.50 | abrotman | sw cafuego? |
| 03:01.02 | cafuego | abrotman brok dpkg |
| 03:01.03 | s_i_m | hardbop200, i would recommend emacs with tramp. |
| 03:01.07 | abrotman | i guess we should stop playing with him here |
| 03:01.13 | cafuego | aye |
| 03:01.18 | cafuego | we might get banned |
| 03:01.32 | cafuego | no, that just sounds redicolous |
| 03:01.33 | abrotman | hardbop200: you can use ftpfs and use any editor you like (though i'd personally use shfs) |
| 03:01.43 | abrotman | blames perl |
| 03:01.49 | jamon | hardbop200: how about mounting your remote files with something like sshfs |
| 03:01.53 | cafuego | goes to stick his hands into some warm water |
| 03:01.56 | hardbop200 | thanks all, I'll look into both of those suggestions! |
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| 03:02.06 | cafuego | abrotman: I'll see if I can rewrite 'im in ruby |
| 03:02.13 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:02.30 | cafuego | has the ruby sql stuff sorted |
| 03:02.39 | cafuego | how hard can irc be, really .. it's just telnet |
| 03:02.56 | jamon | silc is the future |
| 03:03.01 | stew | harder than shopping |
| 03:03.18 | cafuego | !be a telnet barbie |
| 03:03.18 | dpkg | Aww, telnet is HARD! Let's go shopping, cafuego |
| 03:03.26 | cafuego | stew: seems you're right |
| 03:04.02 | mimcpher | cafuego, I wrote a simple irc bot in python in about 15 minutes saturday, so you should be able to write a more featured one in a bit more time than that :-p |
| 03:04.09 | abrotman | good thing it didn't start "Aw" .. might have called himself an action whore |
| 03:04.24 | cafuego | aw i wo' |
| 03:04.30 | cafuego | nt toch python with a ten foot pole |
| 03:04.46 | cafuego | arrgh frozen fingers == teh suck |
| 03:04.58 | mimcpher | I've done similar in perl too with a roughly equivalent timeline :-p |
| 03:05.04 | abrotman | cafuego: use more warm water? |
| 03:05.12 | cafuego | abrotman: bath, perhaps |
| 03:05.22 | cafuego | that might make the smell go away too |
| 03:05.24 | abrotman | cafuego: don't take the computer with you |
| 03:05.27 | cafuego | TMI? ;-) |
| 03:05.41 | cafuego | abrotman: I doubt that thing would fit actually |
| 03:05.52 | cafuego | it's huge. |
| 03:05.58 | abrotman | you or the tub? |
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| 03:06.10 | cafuego | the computer, the tub is rather small |
| 03:07.10 | abrotman | waves |
| 03:07.21 | cafuego | noooo, you'll splash! |
| 03:07.30 | abrotman | smalltub |
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| 03:14.21 | extor | Is there a way to start the debian-testing installation routine with a kernel higher than the default 2.6.22-486 kernel? I would like 2.6.24 or above because it has the driver for my CDROM IDE controller... |
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| 03:18.27 | Pinky | um, I'd like to give certain users slightly restricted sudo access, however, sudo -s/-i seems to give them a no-limits root shell |
| 03:18.48 | Pinky | is there anyway I can disable sudo -s/-i for said users? |
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| 03:23.23 | dondelelcaro | Pinky: man suoders, and read about SHELL ESCAPES |
| 03:24.48 | msan | So I'm using the xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd driver for my ATI FireGL V5200 rather then the propriety fglrx. But now, I've got a 1600x1200 screen, and it is ignoring my settings in xorg.conf which state that it should only use 1152x864. Anyone have an idea what I can do to fix this ? |
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| 03:28.42 | extor | what is the default kernel of debian-unstable? The default installation kernel? |
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| 03:30.26 | Baloo | extor: Since when can you install sid directly? Sid has a default kernel? |
| 03:31.05 | jamon | msan: if you're using gnome, check gconf, it buries resolution settings somewhere in a hard to reach spot |
| 03:31.33 | jamon | extor: can you run debootstrap from another installed linux? |
| 03:31.45 | msan | jamon: Not using GNOME/KDE. Just plain vanilla X11 with VTWM using startx |
| 03:31.55 | jamon | hmm |
| 03:32.19 | extor | no |
| 03:32.30 | extor | zeroing out the drive, suspected trojanization |
| 03:32.33 | extor | rooting |
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| 03:32.38 | jamon | ouch |
| 03:32.49 | hoodlum | hi, suggestions on apropiate daeomon or whatever for a vpn server |
| 03:32.52 | hoodlum | im looking at going with openvpn |
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| 03:34.21 | extor | suspected..ie paranoia. But just should be a habit in everyone's case anyway |
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| 03:35.59 | jamon | guess it depends on how deep you're willing to poke around the the rootkit |
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| 03:37.12 | knifemonkey | wow lots of people lol |
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| 03:37.57 | knifemonkey | i come from the land down under, and I come from the land of #sidux. hi and moin @ all |
| 03:40.14 | WormFood | hi knifemonkey...I used to talk to NZ on my ham radio years ago (but not on ham frequencies) |
| 03:40.52 | dan2 | where's abrotman, he practically lives here? |
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| 03:41.14 | msan | practically, yes. but today is theory day. |
| 03:41.23 | dan2 | what does that mean? |
| 03:41.44 | knifemonkey | yes, that's kinda funny. ham radio? we might as well have been sending carrier pidgins |
| 03:41.53 | jamon | extor: you could try a slax live cd/usb and run deboostrap from that |
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| 03:42.02 | Dave | yay pigeons! |
| 03:42.03 | jamon | think it has a 2.6.24 kernel |
| 03:42.03 | msan | dan2: n/m ... |
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| 03:42.39 | knifemonkey | must have been an important transmission o_o |
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| 03:44.08 | extor | jamon you can run debian install from slax? Which files do I need to copy for that? Or...just run it off the install CD? |
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| 03:45.57 | jamon | well, you'd need to download and run debootstrap |
| 03:46.26 | jamon | http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/debootstrap |
| 03:47.06 | jamon | so just find any small live distro with a kernel > 2.6.24 and dl that |
| 03:47.33 | WormFood | knifemonkey, actually, I was talking on NZ CB frequencies....so I was impressed their 12 watt NZ radio could reach florida (usa) |
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| 03:48.20 | Baloo | I'm surprized NZ's CB band and the US CB band are the same spec. |
| 03:48.40 | jamon | extor: that or dl the testing iso you want, mount it, add a new kernel to the image and try booting it |
| 03:48.55 | Baloo | Given that save Canada, the commonwealths seem to be off by 5KHz from US spec. |
| 03:50.07 | knifemonkey | WormFood: that is impressive... considering our local radio station has difficulty passing the 100km mark |
| 03:50.16 | WormFood | not really |
| 03:50.17 | knifemonkey | lots of hills |
| 03:50.45 | Baloo | knifemonkey: CB is by default AM. |
| 03:50.52 | WormFood | Baloo, they are not the same spec....NZ CB is in the low 26MHz....now OZ CB is on the same frequencies as usa and canada |
| 03:51.00 | extor | mount it and add a new kernel? |
| 03:51.04 | WormFood | Baloo, I don't talk on AM, I use SSB |
| 03:51.04 | extor | scratches his head |
| 03:51.06 | Baloo | WormFood: Heh. |
| 03:51.25 | Baloo | I was about to add that given wormfood's talking about 12w instead of 5w, he's probably on single sideband. |
| 03:51.33 | WormFood | knifemonkey, your radio stations are VHF, I was talking on HF....with the right conditions HF will talk about the world |
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| 03:51.48 | Baloo | Which works more or less like AM in terms of propagation |
| 03:51.50 | WormFood | indeed Baloo, I forgot I said that...but you are right |
| 03:51.53 | knifemonkey | lol, i thought i just entered #debian not #radiotechnicansanonymous |
| 03:52.02 | Dave | :) |
| 03:52.18 | knifemonkey | but it's all good information because you can put a price on a frequency, it's insane |
| 03:52.25 | Baloo | If it's anything like debian-user, then the only thing we all have in common is that we use Debian, not talk about it. :o) |
| 03:52.37 | WormFood | my radio had appx 35 watts....the guy in NZ was using beams, and I was using an omnidirectional antenna |
| 03:52.53 | WormFood | anyways....I'll let you guys get back to on-topic ;) |
| 03:53.11 | Baloo | I have a radio that peaks out at about 35w on singleside, around 10 or 12 on AM or FM. |
| 03:53.24 | knifemonkey | is listening to 104.1 Pirate Radio from 104.1 Pirate Radio [Amarok] |
| 03:53.34 | Baloo | I need to get it fixed, though... last few weeks it's been off by 6KHz |
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| 03:53.53 | knifemonkey | your own broadcast? |
| 03:53.54 | Baloo | To tune to Ch. 17 (26.165), I have to put it in manual and tune to 26.159 |
| 03:54.16 | p3rti | hi.. i'm making test with buffer overflows but when i run a test it doesnt show anything that say Segmentation fault (core dumped) why it could be? |
| 03:54.31 | knifemonkey | i used to work at a student television station, they where all like 'dont touch this, dont touch that' :P |
| 03:54.37 | p3rti | i'm running this code http://www.pastebin.ca/1001348 |
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| 03:55.44 | WormFood | Baloo, that sounds pretty far off |
| 03:55.46 | \amethyst | p3rti: because the memory immediately following buffer probably isn't in use |
| 03:55.49 | WormFood | what type of radio is it? |
| 03:55.55 | Baloo | In high school, I was on the airstaff for KBPS-AM 1520 (1500w daytime, 8w nightime, lowest power commercial AM station in the market!) as part of my high school radio broadcasting elective. |
| 03:56.06 | \amethyst | p3rti: but probably is mapped into your program |
| 03:56.07 | WormFood | used to be a radio technician, fixing CB and ham radios |
| 03:56.24 | knifemonkey | excellent, well |
| 03:56.41 | Baloo | It's a RCI-2950 I bought on my last trip to Canada in a pawn shop for $15. |
| 03:56.54 | p3rti | \amethyst, so.. what can i do.. to get a core dump? or to make a buffer overflow? |
| 03:56.59 | knifemonkey | i replace windoze computers with linux, usally debian centric distro's i will probably stick around if i can :) |
| 03:57.00 | \amethyst | p3rti: and there is probably a NUL byte somewhere before the memory ends |
| 03:57.05 | \amethyst | p3rti: it is a buffer overflow |
| 03:57.19 | Baloo | I just about crapped myself when I saw it for $40 and decided I could probably haggle with him to next to nothing since it was obvious the pawn shop guy had no idea what he had there. |
| 03:57.38 | p3rti | \amethyst, but with gdb i can see anything when i make info all-registers |
| 03:57.49 | Baloo | I'm a swapmeet vendor's nightmare. |
| 03:57.59 | knifemonkey | eheh |
| 03:58.47 | Baloo | Actually, musta been a few trips ago since I remember having that radio already installed on my last trip up |
| 03:58.50 | knifemonkey | p3rti: maybe you want to add some debug syntax or something, dunno |
| 03:59.19 | p3rti | knifemonkey, i'm making test.. to know what is a buffer overflow, how it works.. etc.. |
| 03:59.20 | Baloo | Either way, got it in a lower eastside Vancouver pawn shop. |
| 03:59.21 | \amethyst | p3rti: if you want to get a segfault, do *NULL = 5 |
| 03:59.28 | WormFood | I don't like RCI....I really like my HR-2510...best radio I ever had |
| 03:59.29 | p3rti | i'm follow this guide http://www.groar.org/expl/beginner/bufero.txt |
| 03:59.37 | p3rti | but.. i dont get any thing like that. |
| 03:59.51 | p3rti | \amethyst, let me test.. |
| 04:00.09 | \amethyst | p3rti: err |
| 04:00.19 | Baloo | I like RCI mostly because they're generally consistently solid and relatively easy to fix. I just haven't gotten around to fixing it because it works perfectly, just 6KHz off. |
| 04:00.19 | \amethyst | p3rti: do you think maybe the bug has been fixed since 1995 ? |
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| 04:00.30 | \amethyst | in syslog that is |
| 04:00.31 | p3rti | \amethyst, lol :P |
| 04:01.59 | p3rti | \amethyst, do you have any guide like this.. to probe the theory |
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| 04:03.12 | \amethyst | p3rti: the idea is to find programs that a. run with priveleges higher than you already have; b. you can give input to; and c. do not handle their input properly |
| 04:04.00 | \amethyst | for obvious reasons, it's a lot nicer if you can overrun a buffer that's on the stack |
| 04:05.00 | WormFood | Baloo, it should be pretty trivial to adjust it....I haven't worked on radios in over 10 years |
| 04:05.07 | \amethyst | p3rti: then you fix them |
| 04:05.19 | WormFood | with a little effort, you can probably find the info with google |
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| 04:05.54 | Baloo | WormFood: Actually, now that I think of it, the amp's been quieter, too, lately...either I'm shaking the radio apart in my truck or I've got some bad capacitors. I hope it's the former, that's easily fixed. |
| 04:06.59 | WormFood | yeah....that high power stuff just complicates things, and many times does not really help (you can't talk to someone if you can't hear them) |
| 04:07.18 | extor | What is the smoothest way to recompile a kernel to add large-memory and SMP support to it? |
| 04:07.27 | WormFood | in all my years of running SSB, only one time was I able to hear someone with extra power that I could not hear before |
| 04:07.37 | \amethyst | p3rti: Do you know C? Anything lower level? |
| 04:07.47 | p3rti | \amethyst, so so.. |
| 04:08.27 | \amethyst | p3rti: You have to learn how the machine works, and also how the OS works |
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| 04:09.49 | \amethyst | p3rti: How virtual memory works, how Linux etc. structure a process's address space, how the stack works, etc |
| 04:10.10 | knifemonkey | cpu arithmetic.. fun fun |
| 04:10.21 | p3rti | \amethyst, im looking for one good guide :D |
| 04:10.38 | Joelito | Hi all, How do I get my intel drivers in etch? This is my grep: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
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| 04:11.30 | \amethyst | p3rti: Maybe something like "Understanding the Linux Kernel". If you make it through that, you can probably figure most of the other stuff out on your own :) |
| 04:11.31 | no_mind | is it possible to change the install directory for a software ? |
| 04:12.09 | p3rti | :O ok.. i will google it |
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| 04:12.47 | nite613 | p3rti: http://community.core-sdi.com/~gera/InsecureProgramming/ That's a great page full of practice examples, but you need more material and some experience in assembly language before you're going to get anywhere with this study |
| 04:13.31 | Dave | Joel! |
| 04:13.51 | Joelito | :o |
| 04:13.53 | Dave | :D |
| 04:14.00 | Joelito | (0.0) |
| 04:14.07 | Dave | ^^ |
| 04:14.31 | p3rti | nite613, goood stuff!! |
| 04:15.00 | knifemonkey | <(-_-)> the force is strong in you! yeees. http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ |
| 04:15.11 | WormFood | goes to lunch |
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| 04:23.29 | jamon | extor: managed to get a busybox shell on the lenny netinst with mkisofs and 2.6.24 kernel |
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| 04:23.47 | jamon | will roll a proper live-helper image for my own edification |
| 04:24.13 | jetscreamer | how do i enable tv out with a radeon |
| 04:24.27 | knifemonkey | try myth-tv |
| 04:24.29 | extor | you got a USB stick? I found you can boot from them too |
| 04:26.00 | jamon | you could do the whole install from a usb stick |
| 04:26.11 | jamon | extor: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 04:26.53 | jetscreamer | !radeon |
| 04:26.53 | dpkg | [radeon] a brand of graphics processing units produced by ATI. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon, http://wiki.x.org/radeon. For chipsets prior to R500, use the "radeon" xorg driver (and optionally install 'libgl1-mesa-dri' for 3D). Alternatively, the <non-free> <fglrx> drivers can be used (usually better 3D performance/features). For R500/R600 chipsets, ask me about <radeonhd>. |
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| 04:29.11 | hackel | Whenever I try to install phpmyadmin on etch, I get a postinst error 127. How can I figure out what is wrong? No error messages are output. |
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| 04:30.39 | Silver | refering to http://opensimulator.org/wiki/OpenSim_Build_Instructions down where it gives the openSUSE 10.3 directions : "Before building create the mysql database. ~> SOME CODE~> set the configuration in bin/mysql_connection.ini ~ ~ Build after installation of above in bash terminal. " |
| 04:30.58 | Silver | now my question is does that mean ~/opensim/bin/ |
| 04:32.37 | Silver | i would think so but the instructions leave out the fact you have to create the directories /opensim and /opensim/bin/ before the svn installation |
| 04:32.52 | Silver | wow im a dumb *** |
| 04:32.58 | Silver | wonr channel |
| 04:32.58 | Silver | :p |
| 04:33.01 | Silver | wrong* |
| 04:33.16 | nite613 | Silver, glad to see another SLer ;) |
| 04:33.21 | Silver | :p |
| 04:33.28 | Silver | just tryig out opensim |
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| 04:33.48 | Silver | thiere wiki is rather a bit misinformative :p |
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| 04:34.02 | Silver | their* |
| 04:34.16 | jamon | you should edit it then |
| 04:34.37 | Silver | i would like to once i learn more about the code |
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| 04:34.52 | ma3x | hello debians |
| 04:34.59 | fisxoj | hey, when I turn on metacity's compositor, I don't have DRI anymore. any ideas? |
| 04:35.43 | ma3x | FATAL: Error inserting snd_hda_intel (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/sound/pci/hda/snd-hda-intel.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 04:35.48 | ma3x | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_hda_intel |
| 04:35.59 | ma3x | that's what im getting when i try to configure sound with alsaconf |
| 04:36.02 | ma3x | can you help me out pleasE? |
| 04:37.46 | Silver | ma3x: what kernel are you running? |
| 04:38.00 | ma3x | 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 04:39.15 | Silver | try the 2.6.22 kernel and see if there is any difference |
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| 04:40.04 | sethian | any known issues upgrading to kernel 2.6.25? |
| 04:41.33 | ma3x | when i press backspace in xchat it tilts, how do i disable the sound? |
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| 04:42.59 | dondelelcaro | !bell |
| 04:42.59 | dpkg | somebody said bell was "xset b off" in X, or "setterm -blength 0" in console . For some reason, bash beeps excessively when in emacs (default) mode. "set -o vi" puts it in vi editing mode, which doesn't beep on partial completions. See also <shell beep>. or "set bell-style none" in ~/.inputrc, or or in konsole, Settings->Bell->Visible Bell |
| 04:43.02 | Silver | not too fimilar with xchat but i would guess somewhere in the preferences or configuration |
| 04:43.36 | CompWizrd | sethian: as of last week or so there were issues with the nvidia-source packages if you were compiling them yourself, though there were patches available see #476504 |
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| 04:45.45 | sethian | thx CompWizrd |
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| 04:47.05 | eps_ | I'm looking for an australian or UK dictionary but aspell only seems to provide a '-en' dictionary which appears to be a US dictionary |
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| 04:49.31 | Silver | eps_: http://www.justlocal.com.au/clients/oooau/ |
| 04:49.59 | Silver | eww i think you have to buy them :p |
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| 04:50.23 | eps_ | yeah |
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| 04:50.40 | eps_ | if no one is doing an aspell one I might start one ... but it seems strange |
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| 04:50.55 | \amethyst | eps_: err, aspell-en has more than just US |
| 04:51.00 | drraid | Is the .config used to compile the kernels shipped by debian available by apt? |
| 04:51.03 | drraid | Or possibly online? |
| 04:51.09 | \amethyst | eps_: what is your locale? |
| 04:51.11 | eps_ | mmm okay, only usa is showing up in open office |
| 04:51.16 | eps_ | it should be au, let me check |
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| 04:51.32 | pinto3 | check out the dictionary ap under preferences |
| 04:51.37 | eps_ | LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 |
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| 04:51.54 | linux_jones215 | how do i install gtk+-2.0? |
| 04:51.57 | eps_ | under options in 00o only usa is available |
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| 04:52.14 | \amethyst | eps_: hm... echo colour | LANG=en_AU.utf-8 aspell -a # finds no misspellings |
| 04:52.17 | drraid | Where is a good way to find everything supported by the defualt kernel provided at install time? |
| 04:52.41 | \amethyst | eps_: I thought OOo had its own dictionaries |
| 04:52.41 | pinto3 | zcat /boot/config.gz |
| 04:52.50 | drraid | ahh pinto thanks ;P |
| 04:53.00 | eps_ | oh it might, let me check |
| 04:53.04 | drraid | Does debian provide a list seperate of these things? or what they choose to config or not config? |
| 04:53.28 | nevyn | drraid: every block and network option is a module afaik |
| 04:53.38 | drraid | Ooo really? |
| 04:53.42 | drraid | and loaded by default ? |
| 04:53.44 | \amethyst | eps_: oh, looks like it uses hunspell |
| 04:53.46 | nevyn | nope |
| 04:53.52 | \amethyst | eps_: which can use myspell dictionaries |
| 04:53.54 | drraid | the kernel autoloader isnt selected then? |
| 04:53.56 | nevyn | detected by hotplug |
| 04:53.59 | drraid | Ahh |
| 04:54.00 | drraid | right |
| 04:54.04 | drraid | what about networking protocols? |
| 04:54.13 | drraid | SCTP/Amanda/appletalke all that jazz? |
| 04:54.23 | \amethyst | eps_: so maybe myspell-en-gb |
| 04:54.24 | nevyn | you might only get ipv4 and ipv6 ootb |
| 04:54.33 | linux_jones215 | if i install gimp will it install gtk? |
| 04:54.37 | nevyn | drraid: why do you care what's in the boot kernel? |
| 04:55.09 | sandman | Is there a way to tell from which distro a package was retreived from, in the case that I have Testing/Sid pinned on Testing? |
| 04:55.09 | drraid | what do you mean by the boot kernel? my concerns for the defaults shippd with the kernel are security driven.. |
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| 04:55.32 | eps_ | there we go, myspell au, thank you \amethyst |
| 04:55.34 | drraid | the less code operating in the kernel to handle remote datas, the better ;P |
| 04:55.38 | drraid | *data |
| 04:55.42 | jamon | well drraid if that's a concern then you'd obviously want to build your own kernel |
| 04:55.48 | drraid | Ofcourse, jamon |
| 04:55.54 | jamon | so just use the installer to get up and running |
| 04:55.58 | drraid | thats not always available for a wide deployment though |
| 04:56.05 | \amethyst | eps_: oh, sorry, -au, I'm dumb |
| 04:56.20 | drraid | I am very fond of doing my own kernel, but concerned for the cases where I may not be able to. |
| 04:56.30 | eps_ | no that is fine, I am allowed to submit in either british or australian english |
| 04:56.42 | nevyn | drraid: build your kernel as a package it should be straightforward |
| 04:56.52 | jamon | drraid: if it is that much of a concern to you then i'd expect you'd make it available to all systems you're looking after |
| 04:57.17 | drraid | right right |
| 04:57.23 | nevyn | drraid: the kernels in debian are generally built --with-kitchen-sink |
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| 04:57.33 | drraid | that answers my question ;D |
| 04:57.43 | drraid | lol in a very comical way |
| 04:57.46 | jamon | zeus% lsmod |wc -l |
| 04:57.47 | jamon | 55 |
| 04:58.07 | nevyn | so everything required to get to the initrd is built everything that might be a block device that has the root fs is a module on the initrd and everything else is a module on / |
| 04:58.19 | nevyn | if it's not also in the initrd |
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| 05:03.07 | Locky | DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0 |
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| 05:03.51 | enouf | lmao |
| 05:04.02 | enouf | you dimbass |
| 05:04.12 | enouf | er dumbass ;-) |
| 05:04.30 | \amethyst | enouf: I like 'dimbass', let's keep it |
| 05:04.40 | enouf | dimpleass :-P |
| 05:04.51 | drraid | roflrfol did that kid seriously just type DCC SEND startkeylogger ? |
| 05:04.58 | drraid | lsadkhsalkh |
| 05:05.05 | drraid | that was a joke right? |
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| 05:05.18 | icenine | oh noes! i got teh keylogger |
| 05:05.38 | drraid | o noes :( |
| 05:06.33 | Silver | all you're keys belong to me |
| 05:07.15 | nalioth | drraid: please don't do that |
| 05:07.35 | drraid | nalioth? what did I do? |
| 05:07.54 | nalioth | drraid: did you not see the two users you DOS'd ? |
| 05:08.09 | drraid | what? |
| 05:08.26 | drraid | trolling me: plz dont. i dont have half a mind about me |
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| 05:09.10 | nalioth | nsi drraid |
| 05:09.24 | drraid | nsi? |
| 05:09.27 | drraid | im so confused :( |
| 05:09.59 | icenine | maybe drraid's box is part of a gigantic botnet and he doesn't know |
| 05:10.11 | drraid | yep |
| 05:10.17 | drraid | it secretly DoS's people hwen i type |
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| 05:12.11 | Silver | i knew this guy who once said he was logging into dos and i just laughed at him for like days haha |
| 05:13.28 | cafuego | drraid doesn't need to know, as long as I know |
| 05:13.32 | drraid | LoL |
| 05:13.35 | drraid | DUDE i am lost. |
| 05:13.46 | cafuego | No, it's all fine. We never had this talk. |
| 05:13.50 | drraid | I think nalioth seriously belives im responsible for users disconnected. |
| 05:14.04 | drraid | believes* |
| 05:14.07 | drraid | cannot type tonight |
| 05:14.12 | cafuego | drraid: yes, as the string you typed causes some broken broadband devices to reset |
| 05:14.14 | simonrvn | drraid: you are |
| 05:14.17 | drraid | OH does it?! |
| 05:14.19 | drraid | seriously? |
| 05:14.28 | cafuego | drraid: and normally that would result in an automagic ban on freenode |
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| 05:14.45 | drraid | but the one kid previously had typed the string in reference to DCC statement |
| 05:15.10 | nalioth | drraid: and he got klined |
| 05:15.12 | cafuego | drraid: Yes, some people send it as a mass DCC in order to DOS others. |
| 05:15.18 | drraid | interesting |
| 05:15.26 | drraid | so is it a protective measure by broadband devices? |
| 05:15.30 | cafuego | drraid: .. and then they never come back to freenode |
| 05:15.34 | drraid | to prevent keyloggers being sent over iRC? |
| 05:15.48 | knifemonkey | sounds like a windows thing |
| 05:15.52 | drraid | cafuego: i have many better things to do than dos stuff ;P |
| 05:15.53 | cafuego | it's broken content scanning |
| 05:15.56 | drraid | right |
| 05:16.01 | drraid | deep deep inspection on traffic though |
| 05:16.04 | drraid | thats ridiculous. |
| 05:16.12 | cafuego | people with unfucked dsl modems don't have that problem |
| 05:16.16 | drraid | right |
| 05:16.27 | drraid | is it documented anywhere how these devices do that? |
| 05:16.35 | drraid | seems like a terrible measure to stop attacks. |
| 05:16.40 | cafuego | it is |
| 05:16.51 | drraid | any simple simple obfuscation would avoid that inspection |
| 05:16.52 | cafuego | it would be even if the implementation wasn't broken |
| 05:16.58 | knifemonkey | it's a pointless, stupid counter-measure to a pointless, stupid attack |
| 05:17.00 | drraid | and obviously it just introduced a simple vector for DoS |
| 05:17.11 | cafuego | drraid: Yup. |
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| 05:18.22 | drraid | apologizes for thinking nalioth is insane |
| 05:18.28 | nalioth | drraid: when this exploit was relatively new, you could go into any large channel and drop dozens of folks at a time |
| 05:18.44 | cafuego | drraid: oh she is, but not in this ragard |
| 05:18.56 | drraid | it sounds familiar now |
| 05:19.00 | drraid | for some reason i dont know why i didnt think of it |
| 05:19.14 | drraid | i remember specific strings being able to do that, but i ddint think they could come out of order |
| 05:19.29 | drraid | and certainly wasnt thinking that when i re-iterated whatthe other user had said :( |
| 05:19.31 | drraid | my apologies. |
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| 05:20.17 | ma3x | is there such a package for alsa-driver in debian? |
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| 05:22.23 | Soskel | hi |
| 05:22.28 | Soskel | does anyone know the link to rubygems_1.0.1-4_all.deb ? |
| 05:22.48 | cafuego | !info rubygems stable |
| 05:23.12 | dpkg | rubygems: (package management framework for Ruby libraries/applications), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 0.9.0-5 (etch), Packaged size: 45 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 05:24.01 | Soskel | cafuego: I need the debian unstable ones |
| 05:24.20 | Soskel | !info rubygems unstable |
| 05:24.21 | cafuego | !info rubygems sid |
| 05:24.40 | cafuego | Either way, rubygems appears to be in main. |
| 05:24.47 | dpkg | rubygems: (package management framework for Ruby libraries/applications), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-4 (sid), Packaged size: 50 kB, Installed size: 120 kB |
| 05:25.07 | cafuego | so aptitude install rubygems |
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| 05:25.10 | Soskel | cafuego: ??? |
| 05:25.17 | Soskel | I already installed them |
| 05:25.20 | Soskel | I just want to upgrade |
| 05:25.21 | cafuego | none of this silly downloading of deb files |
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| 05:25.48 | cafuego | Soskel: The current version is 1.0.1-4, so just run an aptitude upgrade then |
| 05:26.12 | Supaplex | !pciid [1180:0475] |
| 05:26.12 | dpkg | egrep -i --color `echo 1180:0475 | sed 's/:/.*/'` /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias |
| 05:27.01 | Soskel | cafuego: that doesn't work |
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| 05:29.18 | Soskel | anyone? |
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| 05:33.25 | cafuego | Soskel: When you say "that doesn't work".... what do you mean? |
| 05:33.41 | Soskel | nvm |
| 05:33.43 | Soskel | i got it |
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| 05:34.26 | nalioth | cafuego: same thing he means when he asks "anyone?" and means the exact person who has all the answers |
| 05:34.41 | cafuego | nalioth: Bueller? |
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| 05:35.48 | cafuego | Nobody knows offhand whether mysql 5.1 still ahs the 61 table join limit right? |
| 05:35.48 | dpkg | nobody knows but jebus, knows offhand whether mysql 5.1 still ahs the 61 table join limit right |
| 05:36.02 | cafuego | dpkg: you're broken, shut up |
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| 05:39.22 | mib_bo4zimnn | has anyone tried to install ubuntu server off the network ? |
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| 05:39.47 | cafuego | not in Debian, no |
| 05:40.26 | mib_bo4zimnn | would i be able to mount a network drive and upgrade from 7 to eight ? |
| 05:40.35 | cafuego | not in Debian, no |
| 05:40.51 | cafuego | (hint: you're asking in the wrong channel) |
| 05:41.27 | mib_bo4zimnn | ok |
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| 05:41.30 | drraid | lolol |
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| 05:42.56 | Supaplex | hah |
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| 05:55.35 | markybob | slaps all developers who havent updated their packages for the python2.5 switch :P |
| 05:56.04 | cafuego | dpkg --purge python |
| 05:56.05 | knifemonkey | thinks all developers should be using sid' |
| 05:56.16 | cafuego | thinks nobody should be using pytho |
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| 05:56.34 | knifemonkey | lol, what should they be using then? |
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| 05:56.50 | cafuego | bash for all i care |
| 05:56.51 | f00li5h | knifemonkey: what kind of devs? |
| 05:57.55 | knifemonkey | i guess it's a tough call, you cannot force eveyone to use the latest stuff |
| 05:58.45 | knifemonkey | but for some things like independant projects and such there's nothing to stop people using the latest |
| 05:58.50 | markybob | knifemonkey 2.5 has been out for 3 years |
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| 05:59.18 | Caelum | everyone should be using object oriented COBOL |
| 05:59.43 | knifemonkey | eheh that's an idea |
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| 06:02.45 | f00li5h | coboloncogs.org! |
| 06:02.48 | nevyn | cafuego: haskell and Erlang |
| 06:03.13 | cafuego | waves a knife at nevyn |
| 06:03.31 | knifemonkey | o_o |
| 06:03.42 | cafuego | waves a knifemonkey at nevyn |
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| 06:03.45 | cafuego | better still |
| 06:03.52 | cafuego | aw is it fixed? |
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| 06:04.59 | sandman | Why is it that when I upgrade virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6-486 via aptitude -t unstable (I'm normally pinned on Testing), it doesn't automatically upgrade virtualbox-ose-guest-modules-2.6.24-1-486 to the latest? |
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| 06:06.29 | knifemonkey | not sure... |
| 06:07.04 | sandman | It's supposed to, yes? |
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| 06:10.40 | sandman | Alright. Looks like nothing is being upgraded automatically. |
| 06:11.09 | dondelelcaro | sandman: it won't be upgraded unless the dependency is not satisfied. |
| 06:11.14 | sandman | The xorg package is doing the same thing. I was of the understanding that if I aptitude -t unstable install xorg, it would install xorg and all its dependencies. |
| 06:11.33 | sandman | But instead, it's just upgrading xorg individually and leaving the rest. Also happens with other packages. |
| 06:11.41 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Okay, so basically the dependency is not versioned, then? |
| 06:11.51 | dondelelcaro | sandman: nope |
| 06:12.01 | sandman | That seems odd to me. Why wouldn't it be |
| 06:12.29 | dondelelcaro | sandman: because all you've asked to happen is for a single package to be installed. |
| 06:12.52 | dondelelcaro | sandman: upgrading packages which aren't necessary to be upgraded isn't what you asked for |
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| 06:13.29 | Gruelius | hey all, wierd issue where if i pause a video shared over samba for a while then try to play it doesnt work. Trying to rule out whether its samba or the underlying software. Long story short can NFS be used with Vista? |
| 06:13.54 | npp | whois lektus |
| 06:14.00 | sandman | I sort of wanted all its dependencies to be updated, also. I just went into the xorg package, and selected to install while "Depends" was selected. Even though it depends upon quite a few packages, that is only yielding a single upgrade. |
| 06:14.09 | sandman | dondelelcaro: How do I ask for this? |
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| 06:14.35 | streuner | Gruelis: we support Debian, just search via google. |
| 06:15.21 | streuner | Gruelius: ^^^ |
| 06:15.35 | Gruelius | yeah im not having much luck there for any native solutions |
| 06:16.02 | sandman | Yeah I even highlighted "xserver-xorg" and hit "+" on my keyboard. It doesn't upgrade. Only if I manually go in and upgrade it. |
| 06:16.08 | Gruelius | ok, debian question. I have a md based raid5 array and thats where the data sits on. Ive allways thought it was just samba that "lags" however when i just ran Ls -lh in a folder, it took about 10 seconds |
| 06:16.12 | sandman | None of the virtualpackages are working, I guess. |
| 06:16.28 | Gruelius | partition is a lv on a raid5 md array |
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| 06:18.06 | sandman | Okay, looks like it was "U" that I needed to use. It was in the help menu =) |
| 06:18.47 | sandman | Another thing is that many packages are being listed twice by aptitude... xterm, for instance. I have two lines of: "pi xterm 235-1 ... +1139kB" |
| 06:18.50 | dondelelcaro | sandman: put the dependencies that you want upgaded on the install line, or if you're using aptitude, use U. |
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| 06:19.03 | dondelelcaro | sandman: that's generally because you have two sources which list them |
| 06:19.13 | dondelelcaro | (presumably at different priorities) |
| 06:19.41 | sandman | Actually its listed 4 times. |
| 06:20.08 | sandman | I have two sources, testing and unstable, in sources.list. My preferences file is just pinning on testing, priority 650 on it and 600 on unstable. |
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| 06:23.12 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:23.19 | WormFood | afternoon! |
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| 06:23.24 | streuner | "Today Hans Reiser was found guilty of first degree murder in Oakland, California." |
| 06:23.41 | Tapout | guy that did reiser fs? |
| 06:23.44 | WormFood | as a result, 'reiserfs' will be renamed to 'murderfs' |
| 06:23.50 | nevyn | Tapout: the same |
| 06:23.50 | drraid | its a killer filesystem |
| 06:23.52 | drraid | gotta say |
| 06:24.05 | WormFood | did the find the body? |
| 06:24.07 | Tapout | who did he kill? hopefully some nagging wife |
| 06:24.19 | knifemonkey | Tapout: pretty |
| 06:24.20 | knifemonkey | much |
| 06:24.30 | Tapout | sweet, let him walk! |
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| 06:24.50 | DeFender1031 | guilty?! |
| 06:24.59 | knifemonkey | i doubt they had to find the body because they found her blood on his floor and some other things of his so... yeah |
| 06:25.17 | DeFender1031 | umm... women bleed... |
| 06:25.24 | DeFender1031 | monthly afaik |
| 06:25.34 | dondelelcaro | reiser and his filesystem are not on topic here. |
| 06:25.49 | knifemonkey | reiser will carry on anyway |
| 06:25.51 | DeFender1031 | true... shutting up |
| 06:26.04 | knifemonkey | fair enough |
| 06:27.07 | sandman | This sure is odd. |
| 06:27.16 | drraid | im going to start a competitive nerd news site called SlashSlash |
| 06:27.20 | sandman | I installed xserver-xorg-core, in order to get its dependencies installed. |
| 06:27.21 | drraid | based on reiser. |
| 06:27.39 | sandman | However instead, it said that installing it will "break" loads of other packages (its unupgraded dependencies) |
| 06:27.47 | drraid | can we call lost-n-found files bodies? |
| 06:27.48 | sandman | It's as if my aptitude is ignoring dependencies... |
| 06:27.48 | streuner | drraid: no need, just visit SlashDot |
| 06:27.48 | drraid | k im done. |
| 06:27.50 | drraid | i promise. |
| 06:28.10 | sandman | drraid: Yawn. |
| 06:28.10 | dondelelcaro | sandman: it won't, but when it indicates that packages are going to be broken, see what it suggests for solutions |
| 06:28.38 | sandman | dondelelcaro: Well, first its suggestion was for me to just not install what I wanted to install. |
| 06:28.45 | dondelelcaro | sandman: right, but it has others. |
| 06:28.56 | dondelelcaro | sandman: use the , and . keys to scroll through them |
| 06:28.58 | sandman | dondelelcaro: I installed xserver-xorg, and it suggested to me that I just not install it hah. Yeah, I cycled through and eventually it said to install its dependencies. |
| 06:29.14 | \amethyst | getent passwd | awk -F: 'seen[$4]==1 { print old[$4] } seen[$4]<1 { old[$4] = $0 } seen[$4]++ { print }' |
| 06:29.17 | sandman | So it appears to have gone through this time. But that sure is a lot of effort to just install its damned dependencies. |
| 06:29.20 | \amethyst | doh |
| 06:29.36 | dondelelcaro | sandman: that's just because installing dependencies which are not part of the target distribution is a low-scoring option |
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| 06:30.05 | dondelelcaro | you almost certainly won't see that if you were actually running testing or unstable when you were installing them |
| 06:30.09 | sandman | So if I move /etc/preferences out of the way, it should work as usual |
| 06:30.18 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.49 | sandman | dondelelcaro: But I was already running testing/unstable |
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| 06:32.08 | drraid | otr fun hint for the day: |
| 06:32.16 | drraid | type ?OTR Error: they're watching |
| 06:32.20 | drraid | to your buddies via IM |
| 06:32.22 | drraid | good times |
| 06:32.25 | drraid | ttyl guys |
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| 06:32.31 | \amethyst | hah |
| 06:32.51 | Silicium | ReiserFS: For when you need to partition your wife. :D |
| 06:33.01 | streuner | DOH, who uses IM... |
| 06:33.01 | sandman | dondelelcaro: I just don't recall it ever behaving like this while I've used Testing/Unstable |
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| 06:33.15 | cafuego | streuner: I do. |
| 06:33.26 | sandman | And BTW: "U" will upgrade all packages available for an upgrade, not just a selection of them. |
| 06:33.54 | streuner | cafuego: sure :-) |
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| 06:34.30 | Galactx | hi |
| 06:34.30 | cafuego | streuner: It means nagios doesn't spam my mobile phone to death |
| 06:34.30 | Galactx | why does procmail insists in /home/havvk/.maildir/ |
| 06:34.30 | Galactx | when I want it on /home/havvk/Maildir ?? |
| 06:34.30 | Galactx | help |
| 06:34.34 | dondelelcaro | Galactx: put your .procmailrc up. |
| 06:34.40 | cafuego | procmail is right, you're wrong |
| 06:34.49 | \amethyst | Galactx: also, what does $MAILDIR say? |
| 06:35.00 | cafuego | (just for the record ;-) |
| 06:35.16 | Galactx | MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail |
| 06:35.31 | markybob | heh |
| 06:35.51 | Galactx | sorry I want /home/havvk/Mail |
| 06:36.04 | dondelelcaro | Galactx: so then it will use /home/havvk/Mail. However, you need to show us your .procmailrc |
| 06:36.31 | streuner | !paste |
| 06:36.31 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 06:36.39 | Galactx | but procmail -v shows /home/havvk/.maildir/ |
| 06:36.58 | Galactx | dondelelcaro oh |
| 06:37.03 | dondelelcaro | Galactx: so? that's just the compiled in system mailbox. |
| 06:37.32 | sandman | Also, this is rather strange... linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 was built using gcc-4.1.3, where only 4.1.2 is available on sid. |
| 06:38.08 | streuner | heh |
| 06:38.11 | streuner | !info gcc |
| 06:38.12 | dondelelcaro | sandman: uh... are you sure it's not 4.2.3? |
| 06:38.13 | dpkg | gcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.2.3-8 (sid), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 06:38.27 | Galactx | http://rafb.net/p/tRcUA522.html |
| 06:38.28 | sandman | There's also 4.2.3, yes. But the kernel is built using 4.1.3 |
| 06:38.46 | sandman | Check it out, linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 |
| 06:39.20 | streuner | and you think via gentoo it would do magic, right? :-P |
| 06:39.34 | sandman | I don't think Gentoo is on-topic |
| 06:39.41 | sandman | =) |
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| 06:40.24 | dondelelcaro | Galactx: that looks fine. |
| 06:41.01 | cafuego | sandman: MARK hacked your kernel and recompiled it with 4.1.3 whilst you weren't watching |
| 06:41.13 | sandman | cafuego: ohya |
| 06:41.25 | sandman | cafuego: Or, no. I'm sorry: O RLY? |
| 06:41.26 | cafuego | once he hacked my kernel too |
| 06:41.56 | sandman | Who is this mysterious MARK person... |
| 06:42.00 | dondelelcaro | sandman: GCC: (GNU) 4.1.3 20080308 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-21) |
| 06:42.05 | cafuego | sandman: dunno |
| 06:42.15 | cafuego | but he keeps writing to my syslog |
| 06:42.23 | dondelelcaro | (reading the *whole* version string is required) |
| 06:42.26 | sandman | dondelelcaro: If it's 4.1.3, why is it written up as 4.1.3? And secondly how did you get that |
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| 06:42.46 | sandman | Err, let me reword that. |
| 06:42.48 | sandman | If it's 4.1.2, there. |
| 06:42.50 | dondelelcaro | sandman: note the "(prerelease)" bit? by looking directly at the modules |
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| 06:43.21 | dondelelcaro | since it's not 4.1.3 *yet*, it's not written as such in the debian version |
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| 06:44.40 | Haris1 | How can do a network install of etch r3? |
| 06:44.44 | sandman | Hm. That makes sense. |
| 06:44.52 | enouf | !netboot |
| 06:44.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, netboot is put your ethernet driver in kernel (NOT as a module), turn on IP: Autoconfiguration in network section, and Root filesystem on NFS (static, not module) in network filesystems section, then read Documentation/nfsroot.txt |
| 06:44.58 | enouf | gah |
| 06:44.58 | sandman | cafuego: Hah, that's cute =) |
| 06:45.18 | dondelelcaro | !netinst |
| 06:45.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso> |
| 06:45.19 | enouf | Haris1: see the installation guide |
| 06:45.23 | Haris1 | Do I tell it -> install network or linux network or something else at the bootup/install prompt/screen when booting from CDROM |
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| 06:45.39 | dondelelcaro | Haris1: it does it all automatically, and the installation guide covers it verbosely. |
| 06:45.42 | Haris1 | etch r3 sha1sum was ok, but aptitude and the base stuff in the ISO is corrupt |
| 06:45.46 | Haris1 | :| |
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| 06:46.57 | Haris1 | I'v configured the NIC to point to internet, but it just doesn't fetch stuff from the internet |
| 06:47.03 | enouf | Haris1: pretty sure it's chapter 5 or 6 covers boot params and such |
| 06:47.33 | enouf | did you configure sources.list correctly? |
| 06:47.43 | streuner | Haris1: show us your /etc/network/interfaces in paste.debian.net |
| 06:47.51 | enouf | i mean choosing/adding mirrors? |
| 06:47.53 | Haris1 | I didn't configure anything, I just booted off the cdrom, went through the steps |
| 06:48.07 | enouf | well, that's a 'step' |
| 06:48.37 | Haris1 | The approrpiate Q is: how do I select the installation method for netboot? |
| 06:48.41 | Haris1 | or netinstall |
| 06:48.55 | Haris1 | linux network or install network ? |
| 06:48.59 | enouf | there's options such as expert{gui} booting as well - amazing what the Fn help buttons can tell you |
| 06:49.30 | streuner | Haris1: just show us your interfaces file, its always possible to configure that later |
| 06:49.37 | enouf | there is no appropriate questions until you read the installatoin guide .. it's all covered in detail |
| 06:51.00 | Haris1 | Fn menu doesn't tell me if install network or linux network is the way to run a network install |
| 06:51.33 | Haris1 | I want to start the install from cdrom, but do the install from network |
| 06:51.35 | enouf | sighs |
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| 06:51.50 | streuner | Haris1: are you able to read? |
| 06:52.32 | Haris1 | streuner: You want me to open a shell during install and copy/paste the stuff? |
| 06:52.49 | Haris1 | o_O |
| 06:52.56 | streuner | Haris1: is base system right now installed? |
| 06:53.08 | streuner | just install the base system |
| 06:53.39 | Haris1 | streuner: No, it failed to install, the files in the CD are corrupt |
| 06:53.41 | streuner | you need a working kernel and a few packages, bascially |
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| 06:53.47 | streuner | hm |
| 06:53.56 | Haris1 | aptitude didn't install, so did other base stuff |
| 06:54.13 | streuner | well, did you verify the iso itself? |
| 06:54.16 | enouf | anna can be used .. but nm that |
| 06:54.23 | Haris1 | I don't know how it can be. I chedked the SHA1SUM file and it said, the ISO was ok :| |
| 06:54.43 | cafuego | wibbles to the right |
| 06:54.52 | enouf | how about the "Check Media Integrity" at boot |
| 06:55.08 | streuner | Haris1: what URL (download) |
| 06:55.08 | cahoot | failing cd drive? |
| 06:55.09 | streuner | surely some devel d-i |
| 06:55.24 | Haris1 | enouf: that fails. I checked it after boot, during install, when I had to fall back to the install menu |
| 06:55.30 | enouf | again - amazing those F keys |
| 06:55.35 | Haris1 | streuner: I did it from som edu in US |
| 06:55.38 | enouf | ok |
| 06:55.45 | streuner | Haris1: hm, show us |
| 06:55.49 | streuner | the URL |
| 06:55.52 | Haris1 | ok |
| 06:55.55 | enouf | so burn a non-corrupt cd |
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| 06:56.17 | Haris1 | oops, the box I downloaded it on is the one I'm installing it on. Can't get URL now :( |
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| 06:56.31 | Haris1 | enouf: nero said, the CD was burnt at 52X successfully |
| 06:56.39 | Haris1 | shakes head |
| 06:56.40 | streuner | !d-i Haris1 |
| 06:56.40 | dpkg | Haris1, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:56.57 | Haris1 | etch installer supports the hardware |
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| 06:57.09 | streuner | good, use etch debian-installer then |
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| 06:57.35 | enouf | bad media is always possible, and burned successfully doesn't mean it verified any checksums |
| 06:58.01 | Haris1 | good point. It greyed out the option. I'll check the ISO and verify the next D I burn |
| 06:58.36 | enouf | 52x speed isn't necessary either :-P 24x-32x should do |
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| 07:00.51 | Haris1 | well, the d-i is another ISO to burn and then re-run the setup |
| 07:01.13 | Haris1 | the setup starts ok from this CD as well, I just need a way to tell it to use the network as the source for installing packages, rather than the cdrom |
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| 07:01.51 | Gruelius | Hey all, How do i tell if my drives/arrays are going into standby/sleep mode? |
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| 07:02.05 | Gruelius | this will explain my issues with samba |
| 07:02.06 | Haris1 | it doesn't let me choose the install method when the setup begins |
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| 07:05.49 | Haris1 | who removed the linux network option on bootup screen to boot/run setup from network? :| |
| 07:06.03 | Haris1 | I'll manage it |
| 07:06.41 | enouf | Haris1: usually, if you wanted to do a net only install, you'd use the businesscard.iso (or netboot method if mirror is local, or to debootstrap install) .. IINM |
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| 07:08.42 | enouf | Haris1: might even want to try the http://goodbye-windows.com method ;-) |
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| 07:13.21 | markybob | the bro code. haha |
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| 07:16.04 | Haris1 | on scsi, does having different partitions speed up disk access? |
| 07:16.38 | pinto3 | it could, since the partitions are at a known location and the files are grouped together in those areas |
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| 07:17.11 | markybob | and it prevents fragmentation and improves security. you should always partiition no matter what type of drive |
| 07:18.01 | Caelum | to prevent future regrets, use lvm :) |
| 07:18.06 | nevyn | looks at people like they have a third head. |
| 07:18.23 | nevyn | presents the alternative argument of all in one partition |
| 07:18.35 | Caelum | generally uses 1 partition |
| 07:18.37 | Caelum | much simpler |
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| 07:18.41 | nevyn | more flexible. if you're worried about something filling the disk. use a quota |
| 07:18.54 | Haris1 | you mean they added a new ISO and stripped the usual install cd1 off this option for good? That's $^#$%^# |
| 07:19.05 | Haris1 | flexibility and cost of flexibility |
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| 07:19.28 | nevyn | quota's are wonderful in that they don't require you to rebuild your system when you discover you failed to account for blahapplicaton that requires 16gig in /var |
| 07:19.53 | Caelum | well, you could do that with lvm too |
| 07:19.56 | nevyn | everywhere I've seen people use the lots of partitions thing they've ended up simlinking stuff all over the joint. |
| 07:20.21 | nevyn | Caelum: making filesystems smaller is still not something I really trust for production. |
| 07:20.39 | Caelum | yeah, you have to umount |
| 07:20.50 | Caelum | you can grow online though, in recent things |
| 07:21.01 | markybob | nevyn those people are idiots. geeks know how much they need and where they need it |
| 07:21.06 | nevyn | you can reduce online in theory for some filesystems. |
| 07:21.15 | nevyn | markybob: really. |
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| 07:21.34 | nevyn | markybob: because I had no idea 3 years ago that I'd be using 2tb of disk for mythtv. |
| 07:22.31 | nevyn | if you know what something is destine for from deployment then by all means do partitioning however you think best |
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| 07:23.21 | xsdg | any suggestions for a decent filesystem for a backup machine? XFS is good, except during power outages it loses data that shouldn't be lost. ext3 is good, but fsck takes forever for large volumes (and this is 850GB). JFS? others? |
| 07:23.36 | nevyn | XFS and use an ups |
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| 07:23.53 | nevyn | xsdg: and use kernelversion > 2.6.24 |
| 07:24.12 | markybob | xsdg depends on the size of the files. xfs is great for large files. ext3 is better for average-sized files |
| 07:24.22 | xsdg | nevyn: what's the difference? (as it happens, I compiled a fresh 2.6.25 for it today) |
| 07:24.48 | nevyn | the significant problems have been solved as of 2.6.24 |
| 07:24.56 | xsdg | markybob: files are pretty large; ~5-10MB each, for the majority of them |
| 07:25.01 | nevyn | xsdg: btw nobody cares about your data. |
| 07:25.13 | markybob | xsdg that's not large. i'd probably use ext3 for that |
| 07:25.17 | pinto3 | UFS is supposed to deal nicely with large files |
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| 07:25.29 | nevyn | xsdg: if you have a lot of those XFS is going to suck |
| 07:25.33 | Caelum | is the kernel going to do the whole experimental branch thing again like they did with 2.5? |
| 07:25.45 | nevyn | xsdg: a lot of little files is still somewhat the pathological case for XFS |
| 07:25.46 | enouf | use a larger blocksize as well |
| 07:25.47 | markybob | Caelum no |
| 07:25.49 | nevyn | Caelum: nope |
| 07:25.55 | Caelum | cool |
| 07:26.00 | nevyn | Caelum: not really |
| 07:26.05 | xsdg | nevyn: :o/ |
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| 07:26.22 | xsdg | markybob: any suggestions on what to do about really-long fscks? |
| 07:26.31 | nevyn | xsdg: it likes the case I have.. |
| 07:26.36 | enouf | reiserfs ftw :-P |
| 07:26.39 | enouf | runs |
| 07:26.42 | markybob | xsdg no. get an ups |
| 07:26.45 | nevyn | 800GB FS with 3-4gb files |
| 07:26.59 | xsdg | nevyn: ::nod:: |
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| 07:28.10 | xsdg | markybob: I'm more worried about "random" errors than stuff related to crashes |
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| 07:28.46 | xsdg | wishes ZFS-on-linux were production-ready :o( |
| 07:28.56 | Caelum | xsdg: reboot less often? |
| 07:29.01 | xsdg | any experiences with JFS? |
| 07:29.08 | xsdg | Caelum: eh? |
| 07:29.13 | Caelum | to avoid long fscks |
| 07:29.17 | pras_ | help! |
| 07:29.37 | pras_ | hello i need some help on orca screen reader ? |
| 07:30.28 | xsdg | Caelum: the problem isn't avoiding fscks; that's usually not too difficult. the problem is being confident that a filesystem doesn't need to be fscked |
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| 07:32.34 | xsdg | nevyn, markybob: any experience with JFS? |
| 07:32.49 | Haris1 | I can hit tcp ports with telnet, how can I hit udp ports to see if they are up? |
| 07:32.56 | Haris1 | does vpn only run on udp ports or can we troubleshoot/check if its up on a tcp port as well? |
| 07:33.58 | enouf | nevyn: as far as .24 as you mentioned (XFS) - what exactly are you referring to? a) [XFS] Radix tree based inode caching ? or b) [XFS] Implement fallocate. .. or something else? |
| 07:34.20 | xsdg | Haris1: netcat or socat |
| 07:35.34 | enouf | looks like Ext4 is coming along ;-) |
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| 07:37.11 | Caelum | Haris1: nc |
| 07:37.14 | enouf | nmap even |
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| 07:42.27 | drraid | Is there any specific trickery to switching to a 64bit kernel as far as grub is concerned? |
| 07:42.27 | nevyn | enouf: sorry I ment .23 which fixes a oops on some filesystems |
| 07:43.15 | drraid | Im receieving an error and I think its due to the fact grub is in emulated 32bit, and the new kernel i built is 64 (where the current running one is 32) |
| 07:43.17 | enouf | nevyn: oh, ok - np |
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| 07:46.02 | drraid | okay nevermind turns out im made of stupid |
| 07:46.14 | markybob | drraid that's better than shit |
| 07:46.36 | drraid | true. |
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| 07:49.46 | generic | hi all i have 2 dhcp server running on my lan i want one of my dhcp to give ips to pnly 4 pcs i have mAC with me |
| 07:49.48 | generic | any idea |
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| 07:50.05 | generic | only those 4 pc come to 2 dhcp to ask for an ip |
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| 07:50.56 | dv_ | hello |
| 07:51.06 | dv_ | anybody knows how to install a debian base system on an external HD? |
| 07:51.18 | dv_ | I want to use debian for a NAS, which doesn't have any CD drive |
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| 07:51.34 | dv_ | and, my usb stick is broken |
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| 07:52.10 | pinto3 | there's a floppy option if not |
| 07:52.15 | Cifra | emm |
| 07:52.25 | Haris1 | how can re-install driver for a NIC? |
| 07:52.28 | dv_ | the nas doesn't have any drives except the HD |
| 07:52.33 | Cifra | just a second |
| 07:52.45 | Haris1 | its not custom, its intel or Realtek at best |
| 07:52.45 | Cifra | but it does have an internal hard drive, right? |
| 07:52.49 | dv_ | yes |
| 07:52.51 | Haris1 | I just need to re-put it |
| 07:53.05 | Haris1 | rebuild kernel mod? reconfigure the modules? |
| 07:53.14 | dv_ | I can get the HD out and write on it via an usb adapter, |
| 07:53.17 | enouf | dv_: what's the interface? usb? or ethernet? or? |
| 07:53.23 | dv_ | so I *could* install a rootfs this way |
| 07:53.27 | dv_ | both |
| 07:54.33 | Cifra | http://www.debian.org/releases/slink/alpha/ch-install-methods.en.html#s-boot-from-floppies |
| 07:54.37 | Cifra | I hope this helps... |
| 07:54.44 | Cifra | I never tried it with Debian though |
| 07:55.03 | enouf | so, can't you usb boot it and debootstrap it? |
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| 07:55.13 | dv_ | as said, my usb stick is broken |
| 07:55.19 | dv_ | besides, I never got bootable usb stuff to work |
| 07:55.20 | dv_ | :) |
| 07:55.24 | enouf | what usb stick? |
| 07:55.39 | enouf | who cares about a usb stick? |
| 07:55.44 | dv_ | err how else via usb? |
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| 07:56.13 | enouf | throws hands in the air and slowly walks away shaking head |
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| 07:56.42 | Woland | heil |
| 07:57.24 | Cifra | look here's a nice guide: http://linux.simple.be/debian/floppy |
| 07:57.58 | pinto3 | another option, i noticed i can set up my computer to boot over the network, maybe set up that kind of server |
| 07:58.04 | Woland | how can i make a request to add some packages to netinst installation? |
| 07:58.09 | pinto3 | from the bios* |
| 07:58.27 | nevyn | pinto3: setting up a boot server is non-trivial |
| 07:58.45 | Woland | who makes decision about cd content? |
| 07:58.51 | pinto3 | ah, i'd probably get it done if it was my best option :p, but it's there |
| 07:59.45 | nevyn | Woland: popcon |
| 07:59.48 | nevyn | !popcon |
| 07:59.49 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 08:00.35 | Woland | nevyn: but is it actual in context of netsinst? |
| 08:00.38 | Woland | netinst |
| 08:01.03 | Woland | for example, i need a pand on the net installation cd |
| 08:01.16 | nevyn | pand? |
| 08:01.20 | Woland | yep |
| 08:01.21 | Woland | i |
| 08:01.32 | Woland | i'm using bluetooth for a network connection |
| 08:01.43 | nevyn | I don't have a package pand.. |
| 08:02.02 | Woland | have gone to search |
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| 08:03.06 | Woland | package name is bluez-utils |
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| 08:04.47 | Obligatory | How do I mount a drive from a DirecTivo in Debian? It doesn't have a standard partition table. |
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| 08:06.59 | Haris1 | linux network works |
| 08:07.04 | Haris1 | as an install option |
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| 08:07.42 | Haris1 | I just had to fight through alot of miss-placed sarcasm to remember it |
| 08:08.04 | Haris1 | I re-put the cd into the drive and its working, so far |
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| 08:11.27 | Haris1 | oops |
| 08:11.31 | nirupama | does debian provide a full gnome kde combined DVD image |
| 08:11.34 | Haris1 | it failed installing the kernel and its initramfs |
| 08:11.38 | Haris1 | for base |
| 08:11.44 | markybob | nirupama yes |
| 08:11.49 | Haris1 | but didn't say anything about aptitude this time |
| 08:12.12 | nirupama | markw, can u redirect be to that link where I can download one copy of gnome+kde iso image |
| 08:12.25 | nirupama | markybob, , can u redirect be to that link where I can download one copy of gnome+kde iso image |
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| 08:12.40 | markybob | nirupama http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ obviously select he dvd for your architecture |
| 08:13.11 | nirupama | markybob, so it will have both gnome and kde avaiable |
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| 08:13.25 | markybob | nirupama on the dvd, yes. not on the cd |
| 08:13.38 | nirupama | markybob, yes I mean dvd thank you |
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| 08:14.59 | Silicium | http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/04/reiser-guilty-o.html |
| 08:15.27 | markybob | Silicium yes, we've all heard. and it's not on topic for #debian |
| 08:16.36 | nirupama | markybob, while installing it will show the option for gnome or kde |
| 08:16.48 | nirupama | markybob, which package does that |
| 08:16.58 | nirupama | markybob, is that tasksel |
| 08:17.11 | jayaraj | hi guys i have anew system with debian-amd64 but can any one tell me how to configure the source.list or point me to a sample source.list for debian-amd64 |
| 08:17.20 | markybob | nirupama no. "desktop environment" will install gnome. if you want kde, you'll need apt-get install it after the installation is over with |
| 08:17.27 | Haris1 | if in the base, it fails to install the kernel, its no use to continue with the install, right? |
| 08:17.32 | markybob | nirupama but it is on the dvd, so you wont have to download it |
| 08:17.44 | nirupama | markybob, oh |
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| 08:18.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell jayaraj about sources.list |
| 08:18.10 | nirupama | markybob, but I saw while i install from net it shows gnome or kde |
| 08:18.18 | nirupama | markybob, how is that done |
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| 08:18.38 | nirupama | markybob, can't that be done for dvd too |
| 08:18.49 | markybob | nirupama yes. simply apt-get install kde |
| 08:19.00 | jayaraj | Kamping_Kaiser, thanks :) |
| 08:19.01 | markybob | nirupama that'll pull the files from the dvd |
| 08:19.10 | nirupama | markybob, oh |
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| 08:19.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 08:19.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | np |
| 08:20.11 | jayaraj | Kamping_Kaiser, but still i am waiting :( |
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| 08:21.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | jayaraj, like that. its nothing special |
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| 08:22.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | bots? |
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| 08:22.53 | jayaraj | Kamping_Kaiser, so there is nothing different from i386 and amd64 versions regading the sources.list |
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| 08:23.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | jayaraj, correct. |
| 08:23.13 | jayaraj | ic |
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| 08:23.39 | jayaraj | i have another i386 system with debian etch 4 |
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| 08:24.27 | jayaraj | i tried to copyt the source list into my new system it dint work :( when i tried to apt-get upgrade |
| 08:24.40 | jayaraj | Kamping_Kaiser, ^ |
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| 08:24.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | "didnt work"? |
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| 08:25.06 | jayaraj | yea :( |
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| 08:25.24 | markybob | !doesnt work |
| 08:25.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, doesnt work is Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 08:28.11 | motin_0 | guys, my laptop keyboard's ctrl button (+ some others) have stopped working. for instance CTRL is now generating a 235 keycode instead of 37 and others are generating weird serial stuff in xev. I really'd like my keyboard-functionality back - what can I do? |
| 08:28.42 | enouf | nirupama: from the installation guide - use tasksel="standard,kde-desktop" from the boot prompt |
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| 08:28.58 | markybob | motin_0 reset them. on gnome, system->preferences->keyboard shortcut |
| 08:29.04 | motin_0 | i just tried xmodmap -e "keycode 235 = Control_L" but it doesn't help since pressing the ctrl-key generates a keypress nad a keyrelease instantly |
| 08:29.11 | enouf | nirupama: sorry, i mean tasks= |
| 08:29.13 | motin_0 | markybob: ok ill try |
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| 08:30.10 | motin_0 | markybob: how do you mean? I find no reset option... and also there are no mappings to the ctrl key there. |
| 08:30.23 | enouf | nirupama: however, there are some caveats; http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch06s03.html.en#pkgsel |
| 08:30.49 | jayaraj | this is the error i get whe i try to upgrade http://rafb.net/p/47kyQe16.html |
| 08:31.00 | markybob | motin_0 i mean set each one again. click on them and assign which key-combo you want |
| 08:31.43 | motin_0 | markybob: but this is the Ctrl-key... it is not supposed to be mapped to any special function - just work as Ctrl-modifier |
| 08:32.07 | jayaraj | and i have done the apt-get update several times too |
| 08:32.31 | markybob | motin_0 i fail to see your point. that config interface also handles ctrl+key |
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| 08:33.30 | motin_0 | markybob: my ctrl key is unusable - I can't use it to press ctrl + w, ctrl + c etc - it generates keycode 235 and a a release instantly instead of the ordinary bahavior (keycode 37 and a release first when the button it released) |
| 08:34.17 | markybob | what the hell is your point? use the keyboard shortcut configuration menu |
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| 08:35.53 | motin_0 | markybob: I am not trying to configure any kind of keyboard shortcut |
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| 08:36.45 | motin_0 | markybob: I am trying to restore the functionality of my ctrl-key - it doesn't work... a plugged in usb keyboard's ctrl key works. I don't see any option of restoring the functionality of the ctrl-key in keyboard shortcut preferences |
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| 08:37.38 | Duddle | hello everybody! short question about password aging set in /etc/login.defs : will passwords expire for every user account, even "mysql" or "daemon" etc? |
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| 08:40.52 | motin_0 | markybob: best explained by xev-output: http://pastebin.com/f52280b82 |
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| 08:46.26 | motin_0 | can anyone help me restore my ctrl-key? it is malfunctioning: http://pastebin.com/f52280b82 |
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| 08:51.10 | enouf | motin_0: did you alter or replace your file:///etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz file? |
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| 08:51.32 | motin_0 | enouf: nope never touched it |
| 08:51.54 | motin_0 | enouf: I had some error messages from keyboard preferences when changing keyboard layout |
| 08:51.54 | enouf | is this a ps/2 keyboard? |
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| 08:52.03 | motin_0 | enouf: nope, built in laptops |
| 08:52.10 | motin_0 | enouf: thanks for your attention! |
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| 08:52.46 | enouf | oh .. no idea - but, maybe it's a deadkeys issue w/US international keys? |
| 08:53.26 | motin_0 | enouf: as you see from the xev output, the key is not dead - albeit it is acting as a media key or something similar |
| 08:53.40 | motin_0 | enouf: do you know what files make up the mappings? |
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| 08:53.53 | motin_0 | or if there is something like dpkg-reconfigure keyboard ...? |
| 08:53.53 | enouf | motin_0: look at setxkbmap, loadkeys, dumpkeys, etc - also dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select correct keyboard? |
| 08:54.11 | motin_0 | enouf: aight I'll dig into that |
| 08:54.15 | motin_0 | miss my ctrl button |
| 08:54.22 | motin_0 | thanks enouf |
| 08:55.11 | enouf | motin_0: np - maybe the 'evdev' module (used for certain mice and external keyboards is borking ?) |
| 08:55.16 | enouf | all guesses |
| 08:55.45 | motin_0 | enouf: that could be relevant... I use evdev for the wiimote amongst other things. good point |
| 08:56.17 | enouf | modprobe -r evdev to remove it, if nothing else is relying on it |
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| 08:57.00 | motin_0 | enouf: ok gotta logout and back in to try it out |
| 08:57.03 | motin_0 | thanks again |
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| 09:02.32 | SeicherlBoB | hey, i'm running a debian sarge and need to install java-package 0.25+ but i can only install 0.24. If I try to install java-package/testing apt can't find a release for testing. How shall I modify the sources to install java-package 0.25+ ? |
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| 09:04.57 | nirupama | enouf, r u there |
| 09:05.27 | nirupama | enouf, ping |
| 09:05.29 | enouf | motin_0: after all that - do "/msg dpkg laptop" and follow the URLs for some other possible info - here's a few possibly relevant http://tuxmobil.org/Mobile-Guide.db/mobile-guide-p2c1s6-keyboard.html and http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Keyboard-and-Console-HOWTO.html |
| 09:05.36 | enouf | nirupama: yo |
| 09:05.56 | nirupama | enouf,u told from the installation guide use task |
| 09:06.17 | nirupama | enouf, u mean from the tasksel source we can add kde option also to be displayed |
| 09:06.21 | enouf | nirupama: well, i gave you the etch installation guide URL |
| 09:06.30 | enouf | for i386 |
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| 09:07.25 | themill | SeicherlBoB: you know that security support for sarge has been discontinued for about a month now, don't you? |
| 09:07.29 | enouf | nirupama: if you mean preseeding and automation, that too is covered in the guide as well |
| 09:07.38 | motin_0_ | enouf: sure I will. I discovered that I can at least use my right ctrl key as usual. I have also xmodmap:ed Control_L and the control modifier to keycode 235 instead, but it doesn't work since a keyrelease and keypress event is generated instantly after one another |
| 09:07.48 | themill | SeicherlBoB: Now is the time to be implementing your sarge->etch upgrade plan, not doing new things with sarge. |
| 09:08.15 | dacs | why is my box still caching my old public ip , i reboot several times and it is still pointing to the old ip 24.219.x.x |
| 09:08.16 | SeicherlBoB | themill: thanks for the reminder, i hardly had any time to work on the server yet. |
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| 09:08.29 | enouf | motin_0_: that's a shame... |
| 09:09.06 | themill | SeicherlBoB: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 09:09.36 | Quintin | Is there a recommend way to clean /var/log ? I usually just rm *.gz |
| 09:10.02 | motin_0_ | enouf: thanks for your help in any case. right now my international characters are mapped to strange stuff as well, causing various strange behavior in different apps |
| 09:10.05 | SeicherlBoB | themill: thanks. can you help me installing this package for now anyway? |
| 09:10.26 | themill | SeicherlBoB: If you really need java for etch now, have a look at the sun-java5-* packages from sarge-backports on backports.org. /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 09:11.20 | arcsky | I wonder how i can add a user to my proftpd server without a user can login to ssh ? |
| 09:11.41 | Quintin | arcsky: 1) ftp sucks. 2) set login to /bin/false |
| 09:11.46 | themill | Quintin: there is a utility called logrotate that manages this for you. |
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| 09:12.07 | Quintin | themill: that rotates logs. Does it delete them? |
| 09:12.42 | SeicherlBoB | themill: adding the backports to the sources list lesads to an error: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 09:12.44 | themill | Quintin: it only keeps a specified number of logs. |
| 09:12.50 | themill | !tell SeicherlBoB about mmap |
| 09:13.07 | enouf | SeicherlBoB: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 09:13.14 | SeicherlBoB | got it |
| 09:14.00 | enouf | but did you follow the info on backports.org site? i type slow |
| 09:14.10 | themill | !win themill |
| 09:14.11 | dpkg | Congratulations, themill! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 09:22.59 | enouf | interesting; 'kill -L' spits an error (bash-builtin), but '/bin/kill -L' does nicely - do 'help kill' and 'man bash-builtins' ;-) |
| 09:23.11 | ootput | how would you guys recommend i convert wma files to mp3? I'm guessing that wma + mp3 codecs are required, but is this possible with lenny 64bit? I understand that win32codecs is impossible to get installed, so I will ahve a problem with the wma files? |
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| 09:24.07 | sepski | ootput, if you want to convert them why not use a truly free format like ogg ? |
| 09:24.22 | enouf | sox? dunno about 64bit ness, or wma (Micro-poop-ness) , ask #mplayer |
| 09:24.27 | SeicherlBoB | ok i tried apt-get -t etch-backports install java-package/testing but still can't find a release. what am i doing wrong? |
| 09:24.32 | sepski | where everyone and the grandmother can make codecs for all imaginable archs |
| 09:24.34 | ootput | sepski: yeah, i'm still debating about output format. the hard bit is to process the wma |
| 09:24.59 | Trewas | ootput: most of the windows media variants are supported with libavcodec, so they should work with mplayer etc (which can convert to wav if not directly to mp3) |
| 09:25.00 | themill | ootput: mencoder can do that |
| 09:25.05 | sepski | have you tried http://sourceforge.net/projects/wma2ogg/ ? |
| 09:25.07 | enouf | vlc and mencoder |
| 09:25.19 | enouf | ahh, nice |
| 09:25.21 | sepski | uses mplayer tho |
| 09:25.24 | ootput | wow, thanks for the input guys! |
| 09:25.24 | sepski | so you need that first |
| 09:25.38 | sepski | vlc might also do it yes |
| 09:25.40 | enouf | Mpoop goes to the sewage treatment plant ;-) |
| 09:25.44 | maligor | transcoding is never a good option |
| 09:25.51 | ootput | i think i stumbled upon wma2ogg in the past |
| 09:26.03 | ootput | maligor: i won't mind wav as output |
| 09:26.09 | maligor | you get twice the artefacts |
| 09:26.35 | maligor | you could also use FLAC |
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| 09:26.54 | maligor | it wouldn't make the sound quality even worse |
| 09:26.55 | themill | ootput: mencoder is on debian-multimedia.org. /msg dpkg dmm |
| 09:27.05 | rohan | some time ago i used "sudo aptitude install foo" which pulled in many other packages. now how do i remove foo and all the other packages that it had pulled in? |
| 09:27.24 | ootput | rohan: purge, using underscore |
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| 09:27.56 | enouf | Trewas: ever that that silly error about "avisynth.dll" in mplayer or other? what is that? |
| 09:28.03 | ootput | rohan: or using apt-get, with deborphan for dependancy clearing |
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| 09:28.11 | enouf | ever get |
| 09:28.25 | jelly-home | rohan: if you remove foo using aptitude, it will try to clear up unused automatically installed packages as well. |
| 09:28.25 | rohan | ootput: underscore where? before or after the package name? |
| 09:28.28 | ootput | enouf: is that while playing media? |
| 09:28.40 | ootput | rohan: withing aptitude.. in place of + for installation |
| 09:28.42 | enouf | ootput: trying to play something |
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| 09:28.45 | ootput | *within |
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| 09:28.58 | enouf | like youtube crap |
| 09:29.22 | enouf | though, now i just stream directly in mplayer, grab the FLV file |
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| 09:29.37 | Trewas | enouf: yes... I think it is kind of "I have tried everything else to decode this, let's try with that", so the error tells mostly that the file is broken, not that avisynth.dll is needed for anything useful |
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| 09:30.13 | enouf | Trewas: i see - last feeble attempt .. haha |
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| 09:30.21 | enouf | thanks |
| 09:30.22 | ootput | Trewas: the media file still plays, though, right? |
| 09:30.37 | ootput | ^ enouf |
| 09:30.50 | jo4___ | Hey, i have a 450mhz server i wanna have xfce on.. There's currently some trouble with the mouse, doesn't seem like it's updating often enough, sorta just all over the place. But i currently have gdm installed, although i don't see any heavy memory or cpu usage. So should i try XFWM instead? |
| 09:30.51 | SeicherlBoB | themill: sorry, but i tried apt-get -t etch-backports install java-package/testing but still can't find a release. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 09:31.13 | enouf | ootput: i forget, only happened once or twice, and not since i grab the FLV files directly now |
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| 09:31.35 | rohan | thanks, ootput , jelly-home :) |
| 09:31.36 | enouf | ootput: pretty sure it was SWF crapshit related |
| 09:32.20 | themill | SeicherlBoB: first -- don't mix -t and /release things like that. they mean the same thing to apt-get. (i.e. if you want it from backports, it's package/sarge-backports). |
| 09:32.47 | themill | SeicherlBoB: Second, java-package isn't backported, there's a package for the entire jre on backports. sun-java5-jre |
| 09:32.48 | SeicherlBoB | themill: ok... |
| 09:32.49 | jelly-home | jo4___: how much ram does the machine have? I wouldn't use xfce with less than 256MB. |
| 09:32.53 | enouf | ya know, avisynth.dll sounds like it's trying to use MS indeo codec things, like it's internal synth - which is just friggin strange |
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| 09:33.33 | jo4___ | jelly-home, crap, 128 :P do you have an alternative? i thought xfce was light :P |
| 09:33.42 | ootput | maybe the portable code wasn't removed for the linux version of mplayer |
| 09:33.48 | SeicherlBoB | themill: thanks a lot! |
| 09:33.50 | themill | SeicherlBoB: you can use packages.debian.org to search for these things. Search for packages called sun-java5 |
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| 09:34.12 | jelly-home | jo4___: It's light compared to Gnome or KDE, but that's not saying much. Better to use a simple wm. |
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| 09:34.34 | enouf | jo4___: one option, "apt-cache search x-window-manager" and see xwinman.org |
| 09:34.40 | dacs | why is my box still caching my old public ip , i reboot several times and it is still pointing to the old ip 24.219.x.x |
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| 09:34.41 | themill | jelly-home: twm ftw! |
| 09:34.43 | Coke | I'm wondering where my mail goes if the procmailrc is wrongly configured. |
| 09:34.53 | ootput | jo4___: i agree with jelly-home. While xfce is the least of 3 evils, it's still pretty resource demanding |
| 09:35.25 | ootput | Coke: i remember procmail manpage mentioning a default mbox if the rc file doesn't specify it |
| 09:35.29 | enouf | they're all bloated |
| 09:35.35 | Trewas | enouf: avisynth is a frameserver/videoprocessing thing for windows, with it you can make a text file which loads some video/audio and does some processing with it |
| 09:35.43 | jo4___ | ok, cool. i'll check it out, ty guys |
| 09:35.54 | ootput | xfce _was_ a breath of fresh air |
| 09:35.55 | SeicherlBoB | themill: so that line should work? apt-get -t etch-backports install sun-java5-jdk |
| 09:36.06 | enouf | Trewas: ok, thanks |
| 09:36.15 | ootput | feature-implementation-requests from ex-kde/gnome-campers made it a burden to use |
| 09:36.18 | ootput | (i thought) |
| 09:36.32 | Coke | ootput: I use maildir |
| 09:37.01 | themill | SeicherlBoB: You probably don't even need -t etch-backports in there as that should be the only place your apt can get the package from, but having it won't hurt. |
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| 09:37.16 | cyberagent | I get this message: database /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db failed to load |
| 09:37.18 | cyberagent | how to fix this? |
| 09:37.29 | Coke | Did procmail just throw my freakin mail away because the procmailrc was broken? |
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| 09:37.30 | ootput | cyberagent: it's not there? |
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| 09:37.49 | SeicherlBoB | themill: i'm asking because it tells me that the package is not found... |
| 09:37.50 | themill | !apt-listchanges fix |
| 09:37.51 | cyberagent | ootput, /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db |
| 09:37.52 | ootput | cyberagent: or if it is, does it have the correct permissions for the daemon to process? |
| 09:37.52 | dpkg | Getting a lovely "bsddb.db.DBRunRecoveryError" from apt-listchanges? aptitude install db4.6-util db4.5-util && mv /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db.old && db4.6_dump /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db.old | db4.5_load /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db |
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| 09:37.57 | themill | cyberagent: ^^ |
| 09:38.02 | cyberagent | /var/lib/apt/listchanges.db: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 9, native byte-order) |
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| 09:38.42 | ootput | is offlineimap failing to securely connect for anyone else? my mbox full of python backtraces, and mention of normal authentication |
| 09:39.09 | SeicherlBoB | themill: ok, if i can't find java 5, i'll take java6 then... |
| 09:39.12 | themill | SeicherlBoB: have you run "apt-get update" since fiddling with your sources.list? |
| 09:39.30 | themill | SeicherlBoB: sun-java6 is not in backports for sarge. Only for etch. |
| 09:39.44 | enouf | those would be those pesky backport.org instructions |
| 09:39.51 | SeicherlBoB | themill: yes i did. thanks a lot, i'll take java6 as apt seems to like that more. |
| 09:40.14 | enouf | heh, welcome to lenny .. or sid :-P |
| 09:40.32 | themill | SeicherlBoB: hmm... it shouldn't. Do you have etch-backports not sarge-backports in your sources.list? |
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| 09:40.46 | SeicherlBoB | themill: both |
| 09:41.05 | themill | SeicherlBoB: Yeah... you probably don't want to do that. Mixing releases isn't a good plan. |
| 09:41.06 | SeicherlBoB | themill: i guess it wont hurt using java6. |
| 09:41.39 | ootput | thanks for all of your wma2* suggestions above. I eventually settled with dir2ogg, which, while having additional tools such as musicbrainz, does the job nicely |
| 09:41.48 | SeicherlBoB | themill: well i should upgrade anyway soon ;) at least i get a reason to do so soon |
| 09:41.59 | themill | SeicherlBoB: indeed... |
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| 09:42.01 | enouf | Trewas: that avisynth thing made me think of animated GIFs O_o |
| 09:42.59 | enouf | ootput: Q. are those like wma 10 or something? (never touch the stuff) |
| 09:43.13 | enouf | or are 9 / 10 and up like wmv only? |
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| 09:44.56 | SeicherlBoB | themill: thanks a lot! it seems to work! bye |
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| 09:46.40 | Trewas | enouf: it is (or at least was) quite popular for encoding dvds to other formats etc, a avisynth script is made which does all needed processing for the video and then any windows program can be used to "play" that script (and avisynth does file reading/processing behind the scenes, only feeding complete frames to the program), so it works with any encoder and there is no need to store an intermediate video file |
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| 09:48.31 | ootput | enouf: how do i find out? |
| 09:48.35 | ootput | enouf: :) |
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| 09:50.06 | nirupama | enouf, but is it possible to have an option of selecting any one through d-i.because that manula shows if i want to install both I need to give in boot prompt |
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| 09:51.34 | enouf | Trewas: so, if i understand you correctly; basically it synthesises any video into an avi container format, from then which any windows app can read/use/play ? if i'm wrong, just say no ;-) (i'm not that interested, and don't know too much about encoding/decoding) |
| 09:51.46 | enouf | ootput: no idea, don't worry about it |
| 09:51.50 | enouf | ;-) |
| 09:52.26 | enouf | nirupama: what's wrong with passing the options at the boot prompt? |
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| 09:54.00 | dacs | how to a reboot to a single user mode, i am trying to run fsck |
| 09:54.02 | Trewas | enouf: quite like that, but it does not need to make an actual avi stream because it uses directshow (or whatever the other similar driver thing was called) |
| 09:54.30 | enouf | dacs: if it's for your / fs, you can just do shutdown -rF now |
| 09:54.54 | enouf | Trewas: righto, thanks |
| 09:55.25 | dv_ | hmm |
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| 09:55.36 | dv_ | there are debian usb stick images |
| 09:55.40 | dacs | enouf: then do i unmout /dev/hda1 |
| 09:55.41 | dv_ | but I can't find any for etch |
| 09:55.52 | dv_ | and arm arch |
| 09:55.54 | enouf | sadly most of that info is creeping back now .. ugh ;-P |
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| 09:58.22 | enouf | dv_: my bad earlier (partially) ..you did say NAS, so i guess you want netboot, tftp/pxe, hd-media - somewhat non-trivial (as another mentioned) |
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| 09:59.08 | enouf | dacs huh? |
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| 09:59.40 | enouf | dpkg: shoot all the drive-bys |
| 09:59.40 | dpkg | blows all the drive-bys away with a double-barreled shotgun |
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| 10:00.11 | nirupama | enouf, that way it will install both kde and gnome |
| 10:00.18 | nirupama | enouf, oh sorry |
| 10:00.24 | nirupama | enouf, its standard and kde |
| 10:00.28 | nirupama | enouf, ok |
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| 10:00.39 | enouf | right - that's the way i understand it |
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| 10:01.28 | flyingparchment | how do i configure debian to not touch my /etc/motd? i have to set up how i want, i don't want anything changing it, turning it into a symlink or anything else |
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| 10:02.01 | enouf | nirupama: yep; standard is only base priority things needed for all DEs; |
| 10:02.02 | enouf | ~$ tasksel --task-packages standard | xargs echo |
| 10:02.05 | enouf | ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 10:02.24 | nirupama | enouf, ok |
| 10:02.37 | enouf | flyingparchment: see /etc/default/motd ? |
| 10:02.50 | flyingparchment | enouf: i have no such file |
| 10:02.54 | Blast_Hardcheese | Dun dun dun |
| 10:03.06 | enouf | flyingparchment: gah |
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| 10:03.09 | enouf | i mean file:///etc/default/rcS |
| 10:03.22 | enouf | # Set EDITMOTD to "no" if you don't want /etc/motd to be editted automatically EDITMOTD=yes |
| 10:03.41 | flyingparchment | enouf: rcS(5) says "The EDITMOTD variable is no longer used." |
| 10:03.47 | enouf | mine says yes |
| 10:03.48 | flyingparchment | and there's no such line in my rcS |
| 10:03.53 | enouf | oh |
| 10:03.56 | enouf | oh well |
| 10:03.59 | enouf | !motd |
| 10:04.00 | dpkg | hmm... motd is the Message Of The Day, or /etc/motd |
| 10:04.05 | enouf | heh |
| 10:04.44 | ootput | is there any sort of lyrics manager that isn't bound to particular audio players? Ie, a simple modifiable database (in text fields or whatever) that I can use any pager to peruse? |
| 10:05.00 | enouf | flyingparchment: try ~$ sudo rgrep -i motd /etc/ |
| 10:05.01 | ootput | is feeling a bit musical |
| 10:05.18 | maligor | ootput, maybe the microsoft access clones |
| 10:05.32 | ootput | maligor: in linux? |
| 10:05.53 | maligor | clones being the key word |
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| 10:06.22 | maligor | and yes, they exist, can't remember the names tho |
| 10:06.23 | flyingparchment | enouf: bootmisc touches /etc/motd.tail and /var/run/motd, but doesn't create the symlink, so that's fine. but something turned /etc/motd back into a symlink when i had it as a normal file (i suppose some package postinst) |
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| 10:08.23 | enouf | well, you got me .. |
| 10:08.46 | enouf | i don't think i've even seen a motd |
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| 10:09.11 | bluevapour_ | Hey guys, anyone good with networking here? |
| 10:09.19 | Blast_Hardcheese | Just ask the question |
| 10:09.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | :\ |
| 10:09.38 | ootput | bluevapour_: i can socially network like nobody's business |
| 10:09.45 | enouf | IIRC, the /etc/issue.{net} file shows the Debian GNU/Linux on login or whatever |
| 10:09.58 | bluevapour_ | Right basically, this gets complicated but ill try my best to explain, if i go afk for say 15minutes, i come back and i have no network |
| 10:10.17 | flyingparchment | enouf: from an initscripts bug, it seems the 'fix' is to symlink /etc/motd to your own file... if it's a symlink already, initscripts won't touch it |
| 10:10.24 | flyingparchment | that seems pretty broken to me, but whatever ;) |
| 10:10.26 | ootput | bluevapour_: powersaving feature of wireless nic? |
| 10:10.34 | bluevapour_ | If i use auto network config, the ip will have changed, and if i use static everything looks normal, also, router shows that connection is there, and deb also thinks all is well |
| 10:10.47 | bluevapour_ | nono, its an onboard lan im using a8v-xe |
| 10:10.56 | bluevapour_ | let me get the adapt name in full for youj |
| 10:11.02 | ootput | bluevapour_: or did you not use a switch for your home network, but a simple hum instead. |
| 10:11.08 | ootput | *hub |
| 10:11.13 | bluevapour_ | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup |
| 10:11.21 | bluevapour_ | Im using a router, but the net works fine, till i go afk |
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| 10:12.04 | enouf | flyingparchment: makes one wonder why that param was ever removed from ../../rcS ..eh? |
| 10:12.26 | ootput | bluevapour_: are there supposed keepalives being sent in either direction? |
| 10:12.34 | bluevapour_ | No |
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| 10:12.51 | bluevapour_ | Thats another thing, some guy taid run say ping -i 300 google.com every now and again to keep it up |
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| 10:13.11 | bluevapour_ | but that seems very "dodgy" way of keeping a connection to the internet |
| 10:13.38 | bluevapour_ | And i havent tested it, do you think that would work? |
| 10:14.18 | dacs | enouf: quick question, is there is a way i can retrive the output after i did `showdown -rF now` it was fast and i could keep up reading |
| 10:14.31 | ceil420 | bluevapour_, probably, but that seems like putting a bandaid on when stitches would be better :x |
| 10:14.51 | bluevapour_ | Exactly my point, so how can i go about fixing it |
| 10:14.53 | ceil420 | your network is like "oh, he's idle, he doesn't need me *die*" |
| 10:15.06 | ceil420 | i dno :x |
| 10:15.42 | bluevapour_ | Well the router says im still active |
| 10:15.43 | enouf | dacs: retreive output? well, you have /var/log/fsck/* ... |
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| 10:15.51 | bluevapour_ | and ifconfig still has the def gateway and ip set/ |
| 10:16.00 | ootput | dacs: sorry to eavesdrop, but if anything was logged (and it would have to be specified by system log manager,) it'll only be up until a certain point ie until / is unmounted, or mounted read-only |
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| 10:16.14 | enouf | dacs: then you have bootlogd - "/msg dpkg bootlog" |
| 10:16.21 | bluevapour_ | Ok ceil, firstly is this a known problem then? and what would be the equiviilent to the stiches fix? |
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| 10:16.39 | ootput | bluevapour_: you mean a talkative router? |
| 10:16.40 | ootput | ;) |
| 10:17.02 | bluevapour_ | Thing is, using windows, dont flame me, but it works 100%, ive been afk for like 4days and its fine |
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| 10:17.40 | ceil420 | bluevapour_, my friend had the same problem in Windows XP, but i don't know how he fixed it. i've never had the problem, myself (in Windows, Xubuntu, or Debian) |
| 10:17.47 | madmac2501 | hi, i am building a debian package with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot, but when i check the files inside the .deb their path doesnt begin with '/', how can i solve this? |
| 10:17.50 | hjb | Hi. I've installed a lot of update onto my debian lenny system. Naturally, now i have some trouble :) |
| 10:18.09 | hjb | Problem is: my acpi-key-events doesn't make it through to X |
| 10:18.11 | themill | bluevapour_: all the applications phoning home all the time probably generates enough traffic to keep the connection open. |
| 10:18.14 | ootput | hjb: from etch? |
| 10:18.30 | ootput | themill: haha |
| 10:18.40 | bluevapour_ | Hm, there arnt any applications phoning home tho if im afk without any network based applications running riht? |
| 10:18.42 | hjb | ootput nope, from lenny. ut i haven't updated it for a long time |
| 10:19.04 | themill | madmac2501: the paths shouldn't begin with / inside the .deb. Leading / is always stripped from filenames by tar. |
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| 10:19.21 | hjb | If i run acpi_listener, the key press is correctly recognized: ibm/hotkey HKEY 00000080 00001018 |
| 10:19.23 | madmac2501 | so, it is ok? |
| 10:19.24 | ootput | bluevapour_: you'd be surprised what research teams at uni uncover when they monitor packets sent from older versions of windows |
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| 10:19.29 | ceil420 | lol themill |
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| 10:19.37 | hjb | But xev doesn't display anything when i press the button |
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| 10:19.52 | bluevapour_ | Ohh , so in linux, should i just use the ping -i 300 routerip? |
| 10:19.54 | madmac2501 | thanks |
| 10:19.57 | bluevapour_ | That be efficient enough? |
| 10:19.58 | ceil420 | ootput, just the older ones? |
| 10:20.14 | hjb | I have to admit that the acpi subsystem stuff confuses me a lot, so i've got no idea where to start debugging this |
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| 10:20.18 | ootput | ceil420: i stopped paying attention when i made the switch over to linux ;) |
| 10:20.46 | dv_ | enouf, there doesnt seem to be a hd-media for arm :/ |
| 10:20.49 | bluevapour_ | IMa give this ping idea a good test |
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| 10:20.51 | bluevapour_ | Take care guys |
| 10:20.55 | ootput | hjb: have you tried using a vanilla xorg.conf? |
| 10:20.55 | bluevapour_ | Thanks for the help btw |
| 10:20.56 | dv_ | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-arm/current/images/ <- or do I miss something? |
| 10:21.03 | ceil420 | heh |
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| 10:22.12 | ceil420 | hmm |
| 10:22.39 | hjb | ootput no, as i never have configured anything regarding acpi buttons in there :-/ |
| 10:23.09 | ``y7 | how can i open the VNC manual? |
| 10:23.21 | hjb | ootput I think the problem is more at acpid side, because suspend and hibernate using the special key combinations doesn't work anymore, too |
| 10:23.33 | hjb | ootput And that is not handled by X |
| 10:23.42 | ootput | hjb: so these aren't generic keycodes? |
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| 10:23.52 | ootput | hjb: where did you program these prior to the update? |
| 10:24.09 | spoown | Hello all ! Does anyone known the web page of linux networking project ? I don't find it anymore ! |
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| 10:24.34 | ootput | ``y7: try vncserver |
| 10:25.00 | ``y7 | "No manual entry for vncserver" |
| 10:25.14 | hjb | ootput I just whatched which xev which keycodes are generated by which button and konfigured them via .Xmodmap, ala "keycode 159 = XF86Launch0" |
| 10:25.37 | jelly-home | spoown: what networking project, netfilter? |
| 10:25.37 | ``y7 | is there a way to search through all the manuals i have on my computer, or would that list be too long? |
| 10:25.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | if i want to have ipv6+ipv4 on all my interfaces will i need to create virtual interfaces for one of those addresses? |
| 10:25.58 | enouf | dv_: sorry, dunno - try #debian-arm? |
| 10:26.16 | jelly-home | ``y7: man -k vnc |
| 10:26.23 | ootput | ``y7: try apropos <vncserver> |
| 10:26.30 | hjb | How is that program called with which you can listen to hal events? |
| 10:26.31 | ootput | ``y7: whichever package you're using |
| 10:26.40 | dv_ | ah didnt know of that channel |
| 10:26.42 | dv_ | thanks |
| 10:26.54 | dv_ | ah hm doesnt exist :P |
| 10:27.07 | spoown | jelly-home, not a particular software, something perhaps with router I think ! |
| 10:27.13 | ``y7 | man -k vnc and apropos <vncserver> both didn't work |
| 10:27.22 | dv_ | well I'll have to set up the stick by hand. unfortunate, but there is no other option. |
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| 10:27.31 | jelly-home | spoown: lartc.org? |
| 10:27.50 | spoown | jelly-home, yes, that's the one !! thanks :) |
| 10:28.38 | spoown | but the web site doesn't seems to have a lot activity ? Am I right ? |
| 10:28.53 | enouf | hjb: i would say checkout #ibmthinkpad , thinkwiki.org , check the BTS for all pkgs returned from a $ apt-cache show acpi<TAB><TAB> |
| 10:29.19 | ``y7 | jelly-home, with "man -k vnc", i get "vnc: nothing appropriate." |
| 10:30.44 | jelly-home | ``y7: so you seem not to have any man pages with "vnc" in the name |
| 10:31.00 | hjb | enouf hmm, that's a lot to check but probably the only way, right |
| 10:31.16 | ootput | ``y7: not to sound condescending, but are you sure you've installed it? |
| 10:31.20 | ``y7 | it's the vnc that came with the debian stable package, is there any way to search through all of my manuals? |
| 10:31.28 | jelly-home | spoown: no idea about that |
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| 10:32.03 | jelly-home | ``y7: you can take a look at the package contents with dpkg -L packagename |
| 10:32.05 | enouf | hjb: have you reloaded X since you upraded? |
| 10:32.05 | ``y7 | ootput, if you consider installing it, installing it with my OS, then yes i have. if i have to install it seperately, then i haven't |
| 10:32.28 | ootput | ``y7: which os is that? |
| 10:32.29 | hjb | enouf yes, even rebooted |
| 10:32.39 | enouf | ok, oh well |
| 10:32.42 | ``y7 | debian 4.0 |
| 10:33.05 | hjb | enouf I'm quite sure that the problem is "below" X, as i said hibernation and sleep via hotkeys also doesn't work anymore |
| 10:33.07 | ootput | ``y7: because it sounded as though you assumed that vnc came with base installation of debian |
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| 10:33.27 | hjb | enouf Which used to be handled purely by acpi subsystem, iirc |
| 10:33.36 | ``y7 | ootput, i can connect to my debian machine through vnc from my windows and i haven't set anything up.... |
| 10:33.48 | Zoup | debian can be installed on my machine , but on bootup , motherboard asks for boot device , boot order is currect |
| 10:34.42 | Zoup | this is IDE disk |
| 10:34.42 | enouf | hjb: well. not sure what handles 'hot keys' but i know media/mail ones many times are X related |
| 10:34.44 | ootput | Zoup: did you install bootloader to a bootable partition? |
| 10:34.52 | enouf | as they launch x apps many times |
| 10:35.01 | Zoup | ootput: yes , grub is installed |
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| 10:35.26 | ootput | Zoup: and if the motherboard is booting harddrives in a particular order, did you make sure that the harddrive with the bootloader installed to mbr was highest in priority? |
| 10:35.51 | Zoup | ootput: there is only single harddrive on server |
| 10:36.18 | hjb | enouf Yeah, right. I've configured my "Access IBM" Button to launch terminal/gmrun. But the button presses seems to not make it into /dev/input/eventx. |
| 10:36.29 | ootput | Zoup: which filesystem for the boot partition (if any) |
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| 10:36.39 | Zoup | ootput: its ext3 |
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| 10:36.52 | enouf | Zoup: do you have a non-bootable floppy disk or CD inserted |
| 10:36.57 | ootput | Zoup: which steps did you take to install grub to mbr? |
| 10:37.04 | Zoup | enouf: no |
| 10:37.37 | Zoup | ootput: simple installation goes without error also i have reinstalled grub using system rescue cd , still the same |
| 10:37.52 | ootput | Zoup: to (hd0) ? |
| 10:38.02 | Zoup | ootput: yes |
| 10:38.21 | ootput | Zoup: is the disk still healthy? |
| 10:38.31 | Zoup | ootput: Ubuntu works on disk |
| 10:38.32 | enouf | Zoup: is Netboot set in BIOS boot order? ,... what's the device Boot Order |
| 10:38.41 | Zoup | enouf: Disk name is first one |
| 10:39.08 | enouf | what do you mean works? |
| 10:39.16 | enouf | you have other OSes installed? |
| 10:39.18 | ootput | Zoup: what do you mean by 'Ubuntu works on disk'? |
| 10:39.19 | enouf | liveCD? |
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| 10:39.27 | Zoup | enouf: 'bootable' , there was ubuntu before debian on disk |
| 10:40.03 | enouf | so ubuntu no longer works? |
| 10:40.09 | ootput | Zoup: what's your partition layout? |
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| 10:40.30 | enouf | Zoup: also exact error message might help |
| 10:40.49 | sandman | If I use "UserDir www" in Apache's config, this will make it so that they can put index.html and so forth in /home/*/www. My question is: Will someone be able to access files in the aforementioned parent directory from the web? That is, will they be able to access, say, for instance, /home/*/mysupersecretdocumentthatidontwantanyonetosee.odt |
| 10:40.51 | Zoup | ootput: /boot ext3 500 MB , / xfs 100GB |
| 10:40.59 | enouf | Zoup: seems like it might thhink it's looking for a PCI-X Card or SATA drives to boot from |
| 10:41.13 | Zoup | enouf: not much of error message , 'enter bootable device to boot' |
| 10:41.19 | Zoup | enouf: sata is disabled |
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| 10:41.23 | enouf | Zoup: try the other IDE COntroller Channel |
| 10:41.30 | Zoup | enouf: there is single one |
| 10:41.41 | enouf | Zoup: that's a BIOS message |
| 10:41.47 | Zoup | enouf: indeed |
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| 10:42.03 | enouf | Zoup: so, configure it correctly, or enter the boot device ;-) |
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| 10:42.26 | Zoup | enouf: hehe , i didn't done anything special to get ununtu working |
| 10:42.41 | enouf | We offer more Choices ;-) |
| 10:42.52 | ootput | enouf: but you may have done something special to get debian not working :) |
| 10:42.53 | Zoup | enouf: i hate ubuntu |
| 10:43.03 | Zoup | ootput: No!:)) |
| 10:43.35 | Zoup | aa emm .. any idea ? |
| 10:43.55 | ootput | pebcak? |
| 10:43.56 | Zoup | do you usually have issues with ide controller ? what do you do to fix ? |
| 10:44.06 | enouf | Zoup: is it possible you have some AV protection protecting the MBR? when grub was installed , no errors? |
| 10:44.30 | Zoup | ootput: IDE Controller cant seat on chair |
| 10:44.42 | enouf | Zoup: many Mobos that have SATA only allow one certain IDE Controller, or even Channel or even Slot to be Bootable |
| 10:44.46 | Zoup | enouf: if there was any , ubuntu wont work either |
| 10:44.47 | ootput | Zoup: use a livecd, boot in, chroot the debian system, and trying reinstall grub |
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| 10:44.58 | enouf | Zoup: not true |
| 10:45.25 | Zoup | ootput: as i told you , re-installation of grub goes successfuly , but no boot on restarts |
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| 10:45.48 | enouf | it could've been disabled and reenabled or a BIOS flash could've retriggered it - or even a BIOS/CMOS reset of any sort |
| 10:46.05 | enouf | i mean do i really have to list ALL the fucken possibilities? |
| 10:46.08 | ootput | last remark before I run out of ideas: are you positive that the boot partition has 'boot' flag? |
| 10:46.22 | Zoup | enouf: already done , dosent help |
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| 10:46.43 | Zoup | enouf: yes it has boot flag |
| 10:46.54 | enouf | lmao, what was already done? .. not that i really care anymore - and Boot Flag is NOT needed |
| 10:46.59 | ootput | though if installation to mbr was 'successful' I don't think the flag will do anything special |
| 10:47.00 | hjb | If there any log file which shows me what aptitude has done recently? |
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| 10:47.14 | hjb | So that i can find out which packages has been updated recently? |
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| 10:47.23 | enouf | Zoup: apologies, but i can't help further - hope you get it working |
| 10:47.30 | enouf | goes afk |
| 10:47.35 | ootput | enouf: you quitter! |
| 10:47.40 | Zoup | enouf: thank you very much :) |
| 10:47.55 | Zoup | ootput: thanks to you too :) |
| 10:48.03 | ootput | np hope you sort it out |
| 10:48.12 | muszek | I have users on two servers. Exactly the same usernames (mark, www-data, bob), but different user id's... is it possible to copy files and dirs (ssh, ftp, whatever) in a way to preserve their ownership and attributes? |
| 10:48.28 | Zoup | maybe i need to use lilo |
| 10:48.38 | ootput | muszek: no, not if they have different uids |
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| 10:48.49 | ootput | muszek: though chown -R will quickly sort things out |
| 10:49.53 | elirips | hello. I'm using Debian Etch. when sending mails with evolution, evolution always uses the smtp-server from my default identity, no matter that i have entered different smtp-infos in my other identities. I looked through all the settings, but I just cant find the switch where I can tell evolution to do otherwise |
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| 10:49.57 | ootput | Zoup: you'll no doubt run into the same problem |
| 10:50.19 | muszek | ootput: the problem is that some files are owned by www-data (apache's user) and I can't really tell which ones easily (going through them one by one is not an option) |
| 10:51.23 | Zoup | ootput: do you think that i have to submit bug on DI ? |
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| 10:51.46 | ootput | muszek: you could use the find command to isolate group and user names |
| 10:52.32 | muszek | ootput: thanks, I'll take a look into it |
| 10:52.35 | ootput | muszek: tarball the source files and extract into a temp folder on destination machine, and issue something like find ~/scratch -group ftpusers |
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| 10:53.30 | ootput | muszek: and find ~/scratch -user bob to distinguish between the users |
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| 10:53.53 | ghatak | Hi, I have a sarge box, running exim, it seems to have loads of processes with following command. /sbin/modprobe -s -k -- net-pf-10 . What is this for and can this be turned off ? |
| 10:53.55 | ootput | muszek: expound upon those commands by recursive checks |
| 10:53.55 | muszek | ootput: ty |
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| 10:54.51 | ootput | net-pf is netfilter, isn't it? |
| 10:55.00 | knifemonkey | wassup |
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| 10:55.37 | ootput | ghatak: no wait, it's a ipv6 module alias |
| 10:56.00 | ghatak | ootput: I think so, but why is it using it, my box is not on IPV6 capable network |
| 10:56.01 | ootput | ghatak: and if you don't particularly need ipv6, you can disable it with something like 'alias net-pf-10 off' in modules.conf |
| 10:56.33 | ootput | ghatak: yes, but a particular package may be requiring it |
| 10:57.28 | ghatak | ootput: you recon it will break something ? is there any way I can confirm. my box has IPtables, Exim, mysql, that is about it |
| 10:58.05 | ootput | ghatak: i would say no.. at least until something breaks |
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| 10:59.04 | ootput | ghatak: those same log files would mention critical faults if the module were to be incorrectly disabled. |
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| 10:59.25 | ghatak | ootput: well i guess I am gona have to try and find out, break some ppls mail :) |
| 11:00.04 | ootput | ghatak: if you don't have ipv6 routing tables, then email wouldn't make use of them anyway. So in this instance, it would be safe to disable |
| 11:00.20 | ootput | anywho, enough from me |
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| 11:15.54 | DexterF | hi |
| 11:16.13 | sigius | Q: How can I list the packages I have installed in order of date (i.e. WHEN i installed them) ? |
| 11:16.28 | DexterF | how do I ensure a module is loaded as soon possible after the kernel comes up, and how can I check which modules handle whcih disk controller? |
| 11:16.55 | jelly-home | sigius: /var/log/dpkg.log, /var/log/aptitude if you used aptitude |
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| 11:18.23 | sigius | jelly-home: great thanks. Just found the package I was looking for |
| 11:19.03 | DexterF | there's a module "sata_nv" but I can't find it's source in the src dir. where to look? |
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| 11:19.33 | enouf | it's in /block/ata , iinm |
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| 11:20.10 | DexterF | enouf: duh, didn't use find properly :P |
| 11:21.15 | enouf | i mean /drivers/ata |
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| 11:22.21 | DexterF | got it |
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| 11:23.30 | tty12 | guys where is reboot broadcast msg stored in system |
| 11:23.57 | azeem | tty12: somewhere in init, maybe |
| 11:24.25 | tty12 | nope |
| 11:24.41 | DexterF | enouf: you happen to know what sata_nv handles? |
| 11:24.51 | tty12 | i checked reboot script but is not there |
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| 11:25.41 | stew | DexterF: /sbin/modinfo sata_nv |
| 11:26.01 | azeem | tty12: why would it be in the reboot script? |
| 11:26.17 | DexterF | enouf: nvm, I just found two chipset sata ports hidden between slots I never saw before :P guess those are my sata_nv... |
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| 11:26.54 | ricchje | Hey guys, I am trying to configure Postfix I am just at the configuring your FQDN part of the system: http://rafb.net/p/YeZIaN48.html how come when i issue hostname --fqdn it doesn't give me the hostname and domain name, it just gives me the domain name (i thought this would cause issues) ? |
| 11:27.28 | Rada | hostname just works that way. |
| 11:27.48 | tty12 | i have no idea |
| 11:27.51 | Rada | You can specify anything.ilikepie.andcake.your.fqdn.org as a domain name. |
| 11:27.55 | tty12 | i just want to find it out |
| 11:28.06 | tty12 | where should i look for |
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| 11:28.14 | Rada | tty12: What are you on about? |
| 11:29.34 | tty12 | i want to find where is reboot broadcast msg stored |
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| 11:29.40 | tty12 | in which file |
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| 11:29.48 | Rada | tty12: What's the message? |
| 11:30.02 | tty12 | the system is going down for reboot |
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| 11:30.06 | Rada | grep -R "the message" /etc/* |
| 11:30.23 | ddalton | I'm in the installer, where it does the scanning of ftp.<yourcountrycode>.debian.org and its stuck on 60% hasn't moved for an hour. what do I do? |
| 11:30.31 | pythonic | cry |
| 11:30.37 | Rada | ddalton: Abort select an other mirror and restart. |
| 11:31.01 | ddalton | how do I abort? I have already written partitions to disk. |
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| 11:31.33 | Rada | The power switch. Flick it. |
| 11:31.36 | stew | tty12: src/shutdown.c in the sysvinit source package |
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| 11:32.15 | jelly-home | ddalton: try just pressing ctrl-c before resorting to drastic measures |
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| 11:32.43 | flaccid_ | hey guys does debian stable have xorg 7.x and compiz-fusion yet? |
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| 11:33.02 | Rada | Flicking your power switch isn't drastic. EMP is a little over the top, but still, he could do worse. |
| 11:33.04 | tty12 | it is not in etc |
| 11:33.15 | pythonic | get an axe |
| 11:33.17 | Rada | tty12: stew told you where it is. |
| 11:33.18 | ddalton | that will screw up my computer though won't it? I have gone through partitioning. |
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| 11:33.24 | jelly-home | Rada: switching to a console with a shell and killing the hung process is less intrusive and nicer on the hardware |
| 11:33.43 | pythonic | ddalton: did you have data on the disk? |
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| 11:34.02 | jelly-home | pythonic: please try to be constructive |
| 11:34.11 | ricchje | Hey guys, I am trying to configure Postfix I am just at the configuring your FQDN part of the system: http://rafb.net/p/YeZIaN48.html how come when i issue hostname --fqdn it doesn't give me the hostname and domain name, it just gives me the domain name (i thought this would cause issues) ? |
| 11:34.19 | Rada | ddalton: Partitioning is just telling the OS where to store data. You won't fuck up anything, you can just repartiotion, provided you don't have important data on your disks - which I hope you don't since youre installing an OS on it. |
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| 11:34.29 | Rada | ricchje: I already answered your question. |
| 11:34.36 | ricchje | i didnt see |
| 11:34.37 | madmac2501 | building a package with dpkg-buildpackage i install a library in /usr/local, then another library search for it but doesnt find it, where could be the problem? |
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| 11:34.54 | Rada | ricchje: Just youse mail.yourdomain.com and yourdomain.com where appropriate. |
| 11:34.55 | x^n | Hi, I know this is the wrong place to ask this - as I'm not using linux <_< - but why would a NAT proxy allow IRC to work and not HTTP? |
| 11:34.58 | stew | flaccid_: it has xorg 7.1. compiz-fusion didn't exist when stable was released |
| 11:35.11 | Rada | ricchje: If something doesn't work out correctly, you'll catch it in the testing phase. |
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| 11:35.25 | flaccid_ | stew: no worries, i guess i can do manual install? |
| 11:35.32 | Rada | x^n: It would'nt. |
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| 11:35.58 | x^n | rada: it is... Or it seems to.... I'm using a nat program, I'm connected to IRC but nothing else works |
| 11:36.10 | ricchje | Rada, so the output of hotname --fqdn doesn't really matter then? - I am reading this document on postfix and it says it should spit out hostname.domainname ? |
| 11:36.12 | Rada | What is a nat program? |
| 11:36.13 | jelly-home | x^n: you're right, this is a wrong place. Try ##networking |
| 11:36.32 | x^n | thanks jelly |
| 11:36.38 | Rada | ricchje: It matters only if you're unsure what your domain name is. |
| 11:36.41 | x^n | rada, software router pretty much |
| 11:36.47 | Rada | ricchje: Which I hope you're ot. |
| 11:36.48 | ddalton | ctr c doesn't work. what do I do? |
| 11:36.52 | Rada | s/ot/not/ |
| 11:36.54 | ricchje | Rada, my domain name is stoned-hacker.co.uk and hostname is mail. |
| 11:36.56 | jelly-home | x^n: or ##windows if that's the OS you're using |
| 11:37.11 | Rada | ricchje: Then your mail servers domain name is mail.stoned-hacker.co.uk |
| 11:37.13 | x^n | cool I'll try both those place |
| 11:37.16 | x^n | splaces |
| 11:37.22 | stew | flaccid_: or you could try backporting it from unstable: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 11:37.42 | ricchje | Rada, ok, but my question is: shouldn't hostname --fqdn spit out mail.stoned-hacker.co.uk |
| 11:37.46 | Rada | ddalton: Do you see that thick cable going to the back of your computer? |
| 11:37.48 | flaccid_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.51 | Rada | ddalton: Pull it and see what happens. |
| 11:37.52 | madmac2501 | building a package with dpkg-buildpackage i install a library in /usr/local, then another library search for it but doesnt find it, where could be the problem? |
| 11:37.57 | flaccid_ | ok thanks |
| 11:38.04 | jelly-home | ricchje: it should, if you configured the system that way |
| 11:38.05 | Rada | ddalton: Cutting the power will NOT hurt your disks. |
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| 11:38.17 | ricchje | ok thanks for the help people |
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| 11:38.47 | jelly-home | Rada: reset button works too! |
| 11:38.59 | Rada | jelly-home: He doesn't seem to get it. |
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| 11:39.16 | eras | is there any opensource help desk softwares |
| 11:39.24 | jelly-home | Rada: don't advise people to pull the plug, even jokingly |
| 11:39.25 | rocketmagnet | hi, does someone know a good screen recorder software that i can use with blender ? |
| 11:39.42 | tty12 | guys why do i have 2 diff broadcast msg on 2 exactly same installations |
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| 11:39.53 | Rada | jelly-home: I wasn't joking. |
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| 11:40.11 | Skratz0r | yawns |
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| 11:40.30 | jelly-home | just hopes people here take the advice given with a grain of salt |
| 11:40.56 | Rada | jelly-home: Tell me please, |
| 11:41.08 | Rada | jelly-home: How could cutting power to a box hurt it? |
| 11:41.30 | Rada | jelly-home: "cold power-down" is one of the monthly tests in our server park. |
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| 11:42.10 | themill | Rada: heard of xfs? |
| 11:42.11 | jelly-home | Rada: excessive use thereof sure does |
| 11:42.20 | rocketmagnet | there is no "recordmydesktop" package in debian etch =( |
| 11:42.25 | NekoKun | Hello All! |
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| 11:43.29 | nikulin | ïðåò |
| 11:43.31 | Rada | themill: No. |
| 11:43.36 | jelly-home | Rada: and "pull the plug, see what happens" is NOT an appropriate answer for a stuck installation because of network issues |
| 11:43.39 | nikulin | ïîìîãèòå ïåðåéòè íà ëèíóêñ |
| 11:43.44 | jelly-home | !ru |
| 11:43.44 | dpkg | [ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 11:43.48 | DexterF | Rada: fs caches not synced for example |
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| 11:44.18 | themill | Rada: Then you should do some reading. And find out about how it drops all your data on the floor on a powercut. |
| 11:44.24 | Rada | DexterF: He is in the process of installing debian. I assume he doesn't have important data on his disks, since he is, in fact, installing an os. |
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| 11:44.55 | Rada | DexterF: When you install an OS, you do *NOT* connect, write to, or read from disks that have important data. |
| 11:45.08 | Skratz0r | themill; nice description of XFS. lol |
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| 11:45.12 | tty12 | any ideas |
| 11:45.18 | Skratz0r | *splat* |
| 11:45.21 | azeem | tty12: about what? |
| 11:45.31 | DexterF | Rada: yes, of course. |
| 11:45.33 | jelly-home | ddalton: oh well, you really can restart the machine and try a different mirror. Use ctrl-alt-delete or the reset button, though ;-) |
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| 11:47.27 | Skratz0r | Rada; hold down the power button for 5 seconds |
| 11:47.28 | themill | Rada: Pulling a plug is also a terrible way of cutting power. You don't want to know what sort of power surges are involved in doing that. Switches were invented for a reason. |
| 11:47.31 | Skratz0r | That will fix everything |
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| 11:47.54 | tty12 | azeem can not find that msg yet |
| 11:47.56 | jelly-home | Rada: one ought to strive to give the most appropriate solution to a new users, when multiple alternatives are possible. Your advice triggers my rm -rf / detector. |
| 11:47.59 | azeem | tty12: grep the sysvinit source code for that string |
| 11:48.07 | azeem | tty12: why do you even care? |
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| 11:48.35 | tty12 | because that msg is different from other server and i want to see if someone modify it |
| 11:48.38 | Rada | jelly-home: He didn't understand when I said "13:30 < Rada> ddalton: Abort select an other mirror and restart. |
| 11:48.41 | Rada | " |
| 11:48.51 | hjb | Uhm, what's root 41 2 0 13:05 ? 00:00:00 [kacpid] ? |
| 11:49.00 | hjb | A kernelspace acpi deamon?? |
| 11:49.06 | stew | tty12: what exactly are the two different messages? |
| 11:49.14 | NekoKun | I came here to apologize my self about yesterday's whining and to thank for help and support to install Debian/xfce/compiz/flash in my EeePC. Special thanks for NickPresta and liable, cause got so many time answering me that I've even memorized their name. Thanks also for not banning me and thanks for everyone else who helped but I don't remember the names... |
| 11:49.17 | jelly-home | Rada: you still don't have to be a smartass. The user might not know how to "abort" |
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| 11:50.06 | tty12 | stew it has some strange letters in msg |
| 11:50.10 | pinto3 | maybe, or kde |
| 11:50.11 | jelly-home | Rada: insisting on validity of said advice does not give you credit, either |
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| 11:50.20 | Rada | jelly-home: Anyway. I think he's still looking at his blue curses screen stuck at 60%. Our discussion, no matter how wrong I am to tell him to mechanically cut power to his box, will not help anything. |
| 11:50.21 | azeem | tty12: 13:45 < azeem> tty12: grep the sysvinit source code for that string |
| 11:50.42 | tty12 | i want to see how this letters came into that msg |
| 11:51.13 | jelly-home | Rada: hence |
| 11:51.13 | jelly-home | [13:45] <jelly-home> ddalton: oh well, you really can restart the machine and try a different mirror. Use ctrl-alt-delete or the reset button, though ;-) |
| 11:51.34 | flaccid_ | bbl |
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| 11:51.57 | tty12 | what this package has to do with that msg |
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| 11:52.16 | tty12 | i compared 2 halt binary files and on both system they are same size same date |
| 11:52.36 | Caf-Fiend | hi all |
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| 11:53.36 | madmac2501 | building a package with dpkg-buildpackage i install a library in /usr/local, then another library search for it but doesnt find it, where could be the problem? |
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| 11:56.01 | rhineheart_m | anybody here uses virtualmin? |
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| 11:57.07 | NekoKun | darn |
| 11:57.12 | NekoKun | crappy connection |
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| 11:59.35 | stian | hello |
| 12:00.14 | stian | I have a problem with using aptitude under Sarge |
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| 12:00.35 | stian | it gives me lots of errors, and are trying to remove the kernel(?) |
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| 12:00.46 | tty12 | is it possible reboot to use wall bin? |
| 12:00.56 | vjoe | how to install windows media video codecs? |
| 12:01.16 | stian | checked the sources.list, and think mabye its trying to use the etch repository |
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| 12:01.50 | stian | any1 know how i can make it look for sarge instead of etch files? |
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| 12:02.25 | knifemonkey | change the source from sarge to etch in the sources.list file for apt |
| 12:02.36 | knifemonkey | or just use synaptic to do such |
| 12:03.12 | knifemonkey | replace etch with sarge, sometimes it's as simple as that |
| 12:03.29 | knifemonkey | but the first upgrade can be a bit messy |
| 12:03.34 | nikx | Hi, when I have signed my server certificate, is it possible "include" now X509 extensions ? (xpextensions for PEAP-MSCHAPv2 needed) |
| 12:03.52 | Cifra | Hello! |
| 12:03.56 | Cifra | I have a little question |
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| 12:04.08 | Cifra | debian base install |
| 12:04.12 | stian | knife: yea, so much i figured out. But what should i replace it with? current it says ...stable main, and I changed that to oldstable main, but still error |
| 12:04.16 | knifemonkey | vjoe: just try a media player that handles many media formats, my order of prefence is VLC, smplayer, Kaffine, |
| 12:04.24 | Cifra | which packages should I install if I want a working openbox environment |
| 12:04.48 | knifemonkey | stian: not the categories, change the actual source |
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| 12:05.02 | stian | ahhh |
| 12:05.14 | stian | thnx |
| 12:05.16 | knifemonkey | ahhhhhh :) |
| 12:05.33 | stian | do u happen to know what it should be for sarge? |
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| 12:05.42 | knifemonkey | nope, im using sid :) |
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| 12:05.56 | stian | I'll google it then |
| 12:06.01 | Cifra | which packages should I install on a debian base system if I want a working openbox environment |
| 12:06.06 | stian | thanks alot for the tip knifemonkey |
| 12:06.06 | knifemonkey | yep, local mirrors are best |
| 12:06.11 | stew | stian: sarge is no longer supported, you should upgrade |
| 12:06.12 | knifemonkey | np |
| 12:06.15 | stew | stian: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 12:06.38 | knifemonkey | actually good point, wouldnt sarge be a downgrade? -_- |
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| 12:06.45 | vjoe | i will install vlc, thanks |
| 12:06.47 | stian | ¤"#¤{[½¥ |
| 12:06.52 | stian | sarge no longer supported |
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| 12:07.10 | knifemonkey | neither is windows 3.1 xD |
| 12:07.22 | stian | i've spend a month doing my master-thesis on a sarge |
| 12:07.43 | bony | i have a file that contains output of ls -RlhS. i want to delete all the lines that are not total ??k and the file paths |
| 12:07.48 | stian | upgrading sounds -really scary- |
| 12:08.10 | knifemonkey | if it's not necessary dont do it, concentrate on your homework, dont wanna rock the boat |
| 12:08.39 | stian | well, all i need the snmpd |
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| 12:09.15 | stian | i'll look for the source and see if I can compile it myself then |
| 12:09.35 | knifemonkey | or even better just get the deb from debian packages site |
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| 12:09.45 | Caf-Fiend | well make sure you have your thesis backed up at least 3 times or you don't want it.... is that what they say? |
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| 12:10.05 | flaccid_ | i havnt used debian for desktop. where can i read about installinga nd configuring X11 and kde? |
| 12:10.06 | stian | caf: ofc, the written i backed up plenty |
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| 12:10.24 | knifemonkey | pretty much... if it's really important i like good ol fashioned paper as a backup |
| 12:10.39 | Caf-Fiend | yeah i nearly lost my thesis once... |
| 12:10.48 | stian | but im writing about network surveilence over many domains, so I've used a good month to set up Nagios the way i want it |
| 12:11.07 | stian | adding new hosts, services etc |
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| 12:11.20 | stew | stian: upgrading wouldn't touch your nagios config |
| 12:11.33 | jelly-home | it would upgrade nagios, though |
| 12:11.34 | stew | stian: debian only supports oldstable for 1 year after a new stable is released |
| 12:11.49 | Zoup | hi all , i have changed to /etc/network/interfaces , how can i reload configuration file so new configuration would take place ? |
| 12:12.02 | stew | Zoup: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 12:12.36 | Zoup | stew: init.d script does not change 'already up' inteface ip address |
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| 12:13.17 | Zoup | stew: its still old ip addresses on interface when i restart |
| 12:13.27 | stian | zoup: ifup/down ethx? |
| 12:13.36 | stew | Zoup: do you have an 'auto' line in interfaces for that interface? |
| 12:13.44 | knifemonkey | stian: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=snmp&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 12:13.50 | knifemonkey | stian: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=snmp&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 12:13.58 | knifemonkey | oops sorry |
| 12:14.04 | Zoup | stew: auto ? i guess not |
| 12:14.17 | Zoup | stian: that would cut network connectivity i guess |
| 12:14.57 | Zoup | stew: no , there is no auto for eth0 but lo |
| 12:15.02 | flaccid_ | where in the doco is X11 installation for xorg ? |
| 12:15.02 | Zoup | do i have to add auto for lo as well ? |
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| 12:15.37 | hjb | How is the X server related to the different /dev/input/eventX devices? |
| 12:15.46 | stew | Zoup: you should have an 'auto' line for any address you want to have brought up automatically |
| 12:15.49 | stian | knife: nice !! Thanks alot |
| 12:15.51 | hjb | I mean, does it automatically listen on every device in there? |
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| 12:16.46 | Zoup | stew: thank you stew |
| 12:16.59 | knifemonkey | glad i could help a fellow linux supporter |
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| 12:17.40 | knifemonkey | i have a weird problem i was wondering if anyone has had before |
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| 12:18.10 | knifemonkey | cannot get into 1280x1024, anything lower is ok and i know for a fact that my hardware is capable |
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| 12:18.32 | knifemonkey | i've gone through xorg.conf and anything else i could think of |
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| 12:18.58 | knifemonkey | no joy ;_; |
| 12:18.59 | stew | knifemonkey: show us your xorg.conf and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 12:19.17 | knifemonkey | er |
| 12:19.19 | knifemonkey | !paste |
| 12:19.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 12:20.22 | stian | btw, how do I install a .deb file from console? |
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| 12:20.59 | stew | stian: don't install debs from etch onto sarge, if that is what you are trying to do |
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| 12:21.18 | stian | it was |
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| 12:22.06 | Ivan_Shi | stian: sudo dpkg -i yourpackage.deb |
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| 12:22.19 | stew | stian: don't do that |
| 12:22.38 | knifemonkey | you could do it but there's alot to take into consideration, this version is basically from the future as far as sarge is conserned and all of the dependancies would be out of date |
| 12:22.40 | stew | stian: it would require you to also upgrade libc6. run "apt-cache rdepends libc6" to get a list of packages that would be affected by that upgrade |
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| 12:22.51 | stew | knifemonkey: no, he absolutely should not do it |
| 12:23.32 | stew | stian: if you must, /msg dpkg backports ; i don't know if bpo still has its sarge-backports available but if it does, it would have a newer snmpd: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 12:23.54 | knifemonkey | sounds like safer solution |
| 12:23.59 | jelly-home | failing that, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:24.14 | knifemonkey | me xorg.conf http://paste.debian.net/1820/ |
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| 12:24.58 | knifemonkey | me infobash http://paste.debian.net/1821/ |
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| 12:27.12 | vjoe | knifemonkey, I've installed VLC but it doesn't play it |
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| 12:27.47 | stian | stew: You absolutely saved my day!!!!! |
| 12:27.53 | [BT]JaC | hi there, in my SSH if i was User@Local, how could i make 'User' Green, @ Red and 'Local' Green? |
| 12:27.55 | stian | i could kiss you :) |
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| 12:28.24 | knifemonkey | is that -dutche-? |
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| 12:28.44 | flaccid_ | so nobody knows in the doco where it talks about installing xorg? |
| 12:29.02 | mquin | [BT]JaC: see http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-tip-prompt/ |
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| 12:33.00 | flaccid_ | wow i thought debian would be better documented |
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| 12:33.26 | themill | flaccid_: can you please try rephrasing your question. I don't think anyone understands what you are looking for. |
| 12:33.42 | flaccid_ | installation and configuration of xorg |
| 12:33.58 | flaccid_ | xorg 7.x |
| 12:34.00 | flaccid_ | x11.. |
| 12:34.10 | themill | !install x |
| 12:34.10 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg", you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome><install kde><install xfce>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
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| 12:34.45 | flaccid_ | fildo, ^ w00t |
| 12:34.48 | flaccid_ | thanks themill |
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| 12:34.56 | ArtVandalae | Hi... is there a log file that shows SSH logins, time, date, etc. |
| 12:34.57 | knifemonkey | the 'man' pages have tons of documentation |
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| 12:35.32 | Batchy | ArtVandalae : try $ last |
| 12:35.34 | themill | ArtVandalae: /var/log/auth.log ; also /msg dpkg fail2ban |
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| 12:36.40 | fildo | !source.list |
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| 12:38.00 | abrotman | !tell fildo about sources.list |
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| 12:40.00 | ArtVandalae | themill, thanks. It looks good. And I'll try the fail2ban |
| 12:40.02 | jakeisawake | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.11 | abrotman | no space |
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| 12:40.48 | merkaba | hi. is there a nice way for a user to loopback mount iso files? |
| 12:41.27 | abrotman | !mount iso |
| 12:41.27 | dpkg | iso mount is probably mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 12:41.31 | ArtVandalae | My bittorrent client was for some reason uploading at unlimited... even though I always limit it. So I was wondering whether someone had tampered with it, or whether the config was had become corrupt. |
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| 12:41.44 | ArtVandalae | s/unlimited/unlimited speeds/ |
| 12:42.05 | merkaba | abrotman: unfortunately that requires root permission. can pmount do it somehow? |
| 12:42.40 | jakeisawake | merkaba, you can use sudo to allow it |
| 12:43.04 | ootput | any of you using newsbeuter? Pressing 'o' in feed entry does not open up specified browser (in config). How do I highlight a url from a list of urls? |
| 12:43.18 | merkaba | I refuse to. as I already have read/write permission to the iso file having permission to /dev/loop* has to be enough |
| 12:43.22 | stew | merkaba: no, pmount is only for removable volumes |
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| 12:44.28 | [BT]JaC | hi if i have created a custom .bashrc and .bash_profile, how can i make it the default file for when i adduser |
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| 12:44.48 | ootput | [BT]JaC: cp to /etc/skel |
| 12:44.52 | [BT]JaC | ty |
| 12:45.07 | jakeisawake | merkaba, refuse to? |
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| 12:45.54 | merkaba | it doesn't make sense. I'm sure there is a way so I will not use sudo |
| 12:46.06 | jakeisawake | merkaba, maybe fuseiso will do it |
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| 12:46.11 | rhineheart_m | hello.. how to make this: Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) DAV/2 SVN/1.4.2 PHP/5.2.0-8+etch10 mod_ruby/1.2.6 Ruby/1.8.5(2006-08-25) mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c TO APPEAR as: Apache (Debian) only? Thanks. |
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| 12:46.20 | my007ms | i have only one interface and i get it eth1 |
| 12:46.25 | my007ms | i need make it eth0 not eth1 |
| 12:46.46 | themill | !tell my007ms about z25 |
| 12:47.04 | jakeisawake | merkaba, http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FuseIso <--- google works |
| 12:47.30 | [BT]JaC | http://paste2.org/p/24033 <--- you see the space under the sys uptime, how can i remove that. i find it irritating |
| 12:47.36 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: google should have this |
| 12:48.04 | themill | merkaba: you need to give the user permission to mount things. If the user is able to sudo mount then you can do this. Ask yourself if you want to allow a user to change the filesystem layout on your machine though. |
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| 12:48.23 | themill | rhineheart_m: look for docs on ServerSignature for Apache. |
| 12:48.54 | rhineheart_m | okay thanks.. themill. BTW.. until when is debian 4.0 supported? |
| 12:49.00 | ootput | [BT]JaC: you're using someone elses bashrc? |
| 12:49.11 | ootput | [BT]JaC: the prompt has that newline attached |
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| 12:49.17 | merkaba | themill: a user is able to mount and use removable media already. this makes sense as he could aswell carry the media to another machine. the same applies to filesystem images that a user has full permission to,imho |
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| 12:49.23 | Inktjet | How to get the windows at the bottom in a screen session (only the window names) like [load][time][ (0*$ bash) ][SHELLNAME] |
| 12:49.26 | Inktjet | Does anyone know? It doesn't show like this by default |
| 12:49.27 | [BT]JaC | ootput im using one that i got from my co |
| 12:49.31 | abrotman | rhineheart_m: roughly one year after the release of lenny (currently scheduled for later this year) .. or at least that's been how the last few have worked |
| 12:49.32 | [BT]JaC | i just edited it slightly |
| 12:49.52 | ootput | [BT]JaC: pastebin it if you can.. or even just a snippet of the PROMPT section |
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| 12:50.03 | [BT]JaC | PS1="\n\[\e[30;1m\](\[\e[31;1m\]\u@\h\[\e[30;1m\])-(\[\e[34;1m\]\T \d\[\e[30;1m\])-> \[\e[0m\]" |
| 12:50.11 | merkaba | could someone give me a link how hal manages mounting of removable media now? it seems it doesn't use pmount any more |
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| 12:50.21 | rhineheart_m | abrotman, when was debian released? how long it should be supported? |
| 12:50.31 | abrotman | debian ? |
| 12:50.39 | ArtVandalae | 93 I think :P |
| 12:50.42 | rhineheart_m | debian 4.0 I mean.. abrotman |
| 12:50.44 | ootput | rhineheart_m: days of antiquity |
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| 12:50.57 | [BT]JaC | ootput i pasted the line above |
| 12:51.00 | themill | merkaba: no, a user doesn't have that ability at all. The user requests that the HAL daemon does it and HAL may or may not do it according to policies set by root. |
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| 12:51.42 | abrotman | !etch |
| 12:51.42 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 12:51.55 | themill | !tell rhineheart_m about releases |
| 12:53.12 | ootput | [BT]JaC: looks fine |
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| 12:54.34 | rhineheart_m | Is it easy to upgrade debian from one version to another? How long will be each version be supported? Sorry but I wasn't able to find info related to this on the links provided :) |
| 12:54.49 | jihsro | hey, as root can I see what another user who is logged via ssh is doing? |
| 12:55.01 | ArtVandalae | jihsro, try: "who" |
| 12:55.10 | ArtVandalae | jihsro, to see who's logged on |
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| 12:55.23 | jihsro | yes i know they are logged in |
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| 12:55.42 | ArtVandalae | then you just have to figure out if they're using SSH. You can have a look at /var/log/auth.log (which I just learnt about :)), or could try grep the process list for "sshd". |
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| 12:55.52 | jihsro | no , sorry |
| 12:56.15 | jihsro | i know they are connected by ssh on /dev/pts/2 |
| 12:56.24 | jihsro | and i want to see what's up, like if they were screen'd |
| 12:56.32 | [BT]JaC | ootput so why the space? |
| 12:56.53 | ArtVandalae | jihsro, try; ps -ef | grep screen... then see if they have a "screen" process under their name |
| 12:57.03 | [BT]JaC | ootput http://paste2.org/p/24035 |
| 12:57.06 | ootput | [BT]JaC: dunno, though may I suggest that you understand your bash init scripts before implementing them system-wide? |
| 12:57.08 | crem0r | hey guys. how can I configure exim4 only to send mails from the locale machine |
| 12:57.09 | [BT]JaC | thats the .bashrc |
| 12:57.18 | ootput | [BT]JaC: deconstruct it, to find out where the fault lies |
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| 12:57.31 | jihsro | ArtVandalae: no |
| 12:58.34 | themill | [BT]JaC: there's a bashprompt howto that will lead you through deconstructing it. I *could* tell you straight away what the problem is... but you'll do better to work that out yourself :) |
| 12:58.46 | jihsro | will cat /dev/pts/2 output any activity? |
| 12:59.08 | [BT]JaC | the mill i have been looking around for a while |
| 12:59.09 | [BT]JaC | :/ |
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| 13:00.55 | themill | [BT]JaC: let's start with escape characters. Do you know what the \ signifies in the PS1 string? |
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| 13:02.21 | [BT]JaC | yes, its the charachter |
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| 13:03.09 | [BT]JaC | it indicates that the line is continued |
| 13:03.26 | [BT]JaC | on the following physical line |
| 13:03.29 | themill | [BT]JaC: Yeah, you're getting there. It means that the next character has special meaning. So \[ signifies that the next few characters won't actually be printed to the screen. |
| 13:03.39 | themill | [BT]JaC: \d is the current date. |
| 13:03.46 | [BT]JaC | yes |
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| 13:04.12 | [BT]JaC | \n would be a break |
| 13:04.19 | [BT]JaC | if im correct |
| 13:04.22 | themill | [BT]JaC: exactly |
| 13:04.29 | [BT]JaC | there is no \n at the end |
| 13:04.34 | [BT]JaC | only at the beginning |
| 13:04.37 | [BT]JaC | ohh |
| 13:04.38 | [BT]JaC | I SEE |
| 13:04.43 | themill | [BT]JaC: But there is one at the beginning... hence there is a new line :) |
| 13:04.49 | themill | !congratuate [BT]JaC |
| 13:04.53 | themill | fail |
| 13:04.57 | [BT]JaC | !congratulate |
| 13:04.59 | [BT]JaC | :P |
| 13:05.04 | ootput | !fail themill |
| 13:05.07 | themill | [BT]JaC: well done :) |
| 13:05.07 | [BT]JaC | rofl |
| 13:05.11 | [BT]JaC | ty themill |
| 13:05.15 | themill | dpkg: stupid bot |
| 13:05.15 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 13:05.23 | themill | [BT]JaC: no worries. |
| 13:05.35 | [BT]JaC | thank you for all the help |
| 13:05.46 | [BT]JaC | *appreciated* |
| 13:08.05 | [BT]JaC | w00t |
| 13:08.08 | [BT]JaC | it works :D |
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| 13:09.11 | dan2 | abrotman: morning |
| 13:09.15 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:09.32 | dan2 | abrotman: you say to hi to Leimy recently? |
| 13:09.48 | abrotman | dan2: haven't talked to him in a bit .. i think he just had his kid |
| 13:10.02 | dan2 | abrotman: I think so |
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| 13:15.07 | [BT]JaC | themill can i add color when editing /etc/motd too? |
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| 13:16.26 | Maliuta | anyone running the marillat (www.debian-multimedia.org) acroread 8.1.2-0.2 packages on an amd64? |
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| 13:16.31 | themill | Ummm... no idea. I doubt it though. You could always try... |
| 13:16.46 | k-man_ | for some reason, i can't see where to enable the bt878 dvb module in make menuconfig |
| 13:16.58 | Maliuta | there is a problem I have fixed and am trying to package, I need someone with an install I can get info from (I fixed mine) |
| 13:17.00 | k-man_ | is there some better way to find it than the search in menuconfig? |
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| 13:19.18 | [BT]JaC | ok ty |
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| 13:19.29 | [BT]JaC | ill give it a go |
| 13:20.06 | moope1 | I had all my virtual machines on a disk which was under LVM (there was only one disk but just in case you know). I have installed debian and would like to run it from there but how do I mount the disk? |
| 13:20.30 | mysupper_ | hello guys |
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| 13:31.42 | petemc | moope1: do you see it with vgscan ? |
| 13:31.55 | slidesinger | Does anyone know what tcp fsrpau/N is? I have a rule regarding it in a firewall I inherited and googling it returns absolutely nothing. |
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| 13:36.28 | moope1 | petemc: yes |
| 13:36.36 | moope1 | I think Im at the bottom of it now |
| 13:38.11 | moope1 | petemc Found volume group "stuff" using metadata type lvm2 |
| 13:38.24 | moope1 | how do I make this into a mount command? |
| 13:39.01 | doublehp | moope1: can you expand ? |
| 13:39.07 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/dlALjl41.html any one can help ? |
| 13:40.21 | abrotman | for starters, your kernel is very out of date |
| 13:40.37 | abrotman | doublehp: paste your sources.list somewhere |
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| 13:41.20 | doublehp | abrotman: I think the same place will do :) http://rafb.net/p/IYIRpo72.html |
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| 13:41.51 | abrotman | doublehp: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 13:42.42 | doublehp | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/5Qz8bi10.html (oups, I removed the sourcelist, click on REMOVE :/ ) |
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| 13:45.20 | flaccid_ | um, no kernel source tree. i should install kernel source? how do i do that? i thought it was sudo apt-get install kernel-source-`uname -r` |
| 13:45.21 | flaccid_ | ? |
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| 13:45.59 | abrotman | doublehp: if you do an `aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade` .. what happens ? |
| 13:46.26 | abrotman | flaccid_: apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 13:46.42 | flaccid_ | ah linux-source thanks abrotman |
| 13:46.50 | doublehp | abrotman: will take time, maybe not hours, but minutes ... see you then. |
| 13:46.52 | mirco | Hi all, I tried to setup mod_dav but can't login, cadaver tell's :Could not access /dav/ (not WebDAV-enabled?): 404 Not Found ... Anyone a hint for me? |
| 13:47.05 | abrotman | doublehp: it appears your system never fully finished its dist-upgrade |
| 13:47.09 | infinity0 | yo people, i have this in my auth.log from this morning when i was in bed: |
| 13:47.16 | infinity0 | Apr 29 07:35:32 xxxxx su[15236]: Successful su for www-data by root |
| 13:47.16 | infinity0 | Apr 29 07:35:32 xxxxx su[15236]: + ??? root:www-data |
| 13:47.28 | infinity0 | is that a cracking? |
| 13:47.29 | doublehp | abrotman: how can you say this ? |
| 13:47.33 | sandman | Hm. That's odd. Debian Testing/Unstable has openvas-client, but not openvasd hah |
| 13:47.37 | abrotman | doublehp: your apt shouldn't be held back |
| 13:47.48 | doublehp | abrotman: held ? |
| 13:47.52 | abrotman | nevermind |
| 13:48.02 | abrotman | do the dist-upgrade .. hold on .. pray a little .. |
| 13:48.05 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:48.07 | azeem | infinity0: make sure it's not a cronjob |
| 13:48.32 | abrotman | doublehp: dpkg -l apt | tail -1 (you can paste a single line here) |
| 13:48.36 | infinity0 | azeem: if it was a cronjob surely it was say CRON instead of su? |
| 13:48.51 | infinity0 | i have other CRON[##] entries |
| 13:48.52 | abrotman | i don't think auth.log marks if it was cron or not |
| 13:48.57 | doublehp | abrotman: ii apt 0.6.46 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 13:48.58 | abrotman | puts foot in mouth |
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| 13:49.15 | abrotman | !info apt etch |
| 13:49.16 | dpkg | apt: (Advanced front-end for dpkg), section admin, is important. Version: 0.6.46.4-0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 1403 kB, Installed size: 4312 kB |
| 13:49.19 | abrotman | doesn't quite match |
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| 13:50.01 | azeem | infinity0: well, is there a CRON session indicated nearby? |
| 13:50.22 | azeem | infinity0: also, dump root's crontab, and check for su -u www-data ... stuff or so |
| 13:50.48 | azeem | infinity0: and obviously check for rootkits etc. after you took down the network |
| 13:50.50 | infinity0 | azeem: how do i dump root's contrab? |
| 13:50.59 | azeem | ... |
| 13:51.06 | doublehp | abrotman: I see ... I never update that router. This is my router, and, as such, I rarely log on to update, because updates on long term machines usually breaks the box. But today, I need ndiswrapper. If fails again, I may need to reinstall the whole box, rather than loosing hours fixing it ... |
| 13:51.26 | abrotman | doublehp: up to you .. the dist-upgrade also fails ? |
| 13:51.31 | infinity0 | azeem: well i'm sorry i don't know.. :/ |
| 13:51.47 | azeem | crontab -u root -l |
| 13:51.53 | infinity0 | oh ok, thanks |
| 13:51.53 | doublehp | abrotman: 6kB/s connection ... I said it will take huge time |
| 13:52.02 | abrotman | doublehp: better than losing your setup ? |
| 13:52.02 | infinity0 | azeem: no crontab for root |
| 13:52.04 | jamon | check last -a as well infinity0 |
| 13:52.14 | azeem | infinity0: did you check my first suggestion as well? |
| 13:52.17 | infinity0 | jamon: what am i looking for? |
| 13:52.21 | abrotman | votes for logrotate |
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| 13:52.30 | infinity0 | azeem: er, probably logrotate yeah |
| 13:52.31 | jamon | any ip address logging into the system that isn't you |
| 13:53.01 | infinity0 | jamon: nothing from the time of that log i posted |
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| 13:53.37 | infinity0 | although, i just noticed root was still logged into tty1 from like a day ago >:| |
| 13:53.49 | infinity0 | but nobody coulda have gotten to my room since then, cos i've been in it |
| 13:54.08 | doublehp | abrotman: my setup if one script, I can easily backup and restaure. problem is 200MHz CPU ... at the time, it's updating, 8m left, grabbing between 2.8kB and 6kB max ... arch, 460B/s, 1h left :'( being on this IRC slows me down ! |
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| 13:54.47 | infinity0 | azeem: how do i check the nearby cron sessions? |
| 13:55.06 | abrotman | doublehp: are you on dialup ? |
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| 13:56.25 | doublehp | abrotman: DSL, 350kB, but internal Wifi broke, and this router now receives wifi at 6kB; I need ndiswrapper to put a new Wifi card , thats all, cause the old one , dispite strong signal and 11mb things in logs, provide practical rate of dialup ! |
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| 13:57.27 | abrotman | doublehp: cute |
| 13:57.36 | infinity0 | oh nvmd, it's probably a cron job, just checked further up my logs and apparently this thing is happening every day :/ |
| 13:57.38 | azeem | infinity0: by looking at the log |
| 13:57.49 | azeem | infinity0: indeed, d'oh |
| 13:57.50 | doublehp | abrotman: never seen that. Power failure broke the PCI Wifi card; but an other USB card put at the same place offers full 350kB ... so, I need to install ndis through old one, to switch cards (PCI vs USB, dont try to understand) |
| 13:58.17 | abrotman | doublehp: okay, well, whichever way forward suits you i suppose |
| 13:59.01 | doublehp | abrotman: since ndiswrapper install failed, dist-upgrade may fail, especially if it tries to terminate ndis before updating apt/dpkg at all; in which case, I know I shall try manual update ... |
| 13:59.08 | infinity0 | azeem: what do you mean by logs anyway, cron logs? where are they? |
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| 13:59.27 | azeem | infinity0: nearby occurances of CRON in auth.log |
| 13:59.35 | azeem | infinity0: but anyway, it's solved |
| 13:59.40 | Suprano | hi there |
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| 14:00.06 | Suprano | i need a simple program that creates a screenshot of the picure X sees |
| 14:00.10 | Suprano | the same as the printScreen key in windows |
| 14:00.20 | abrotman | !screenshot |
| 14:00.20 | dpkg | well, screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd, or push your "PrtScr" keyboard key in gnome, or kde |
| 14:00.53 | efaistos | is there a page for the ITP ? |
| 14:01.21 | azeem | dpkg: screenshot is also or gnome-panel-screenshot |
| 14:01.21 | dpkg | azeem: okay |
| 14:01.43 | abrotman | !tell efaistos about wnpp |
| 14:01.50 | \amethyst | getent is good |
| 14:01.51 | \amethyst | doh |
| 14:02.03 | abrotman | it is! |
| 14:02.03 | Suprano | ty |
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| 14:02.51 | efaistos | abrotman: i know that page ... but just for the ITP softwares ... |
| 14:03.00 | abrotman | the ITPs are on that page |
| 14:03.18 | abrotman | The "Packages being worked on" |
| 14:03.51 | themill | efaistos: follow the link that dpkg gave you... |
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| 14:06.08 | fenix | Hello, I have one question - nvidia drivers installs automatically with the system? |
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| 14:07.16 | cahoot | not in debian |
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| 14:07.34 | fenix | damn it |
| 14:07.45 | cahoot | but it's doable |
| 14:07.45 | infinity0 | is it a Good Idea to chmod 750 for /etc/logrotate.d/ considering no other processes use it? |
| 14:08.22 | fenix | cahoot, its hard for me, cuz drivers dont wanna install |
| 14:08.35 | cahoot | ok |
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| 14:09.08 | fenix | is there another method except "sh ~.run"? |
| 14:09.28 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 14:09.28 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 14:09.29 | \amethyst | fenix: etch or lenny? |
| 14:09.33 | fenix | lenny |
| 14:09.40 | \amethyst | fenix: then it's a bit more difficult |
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| 14:10.33 | ma3x | hi on boot i get error message: aes_paedlock does not exist, while trying to modprob it |
| 14:10.42 | ma3x | any idea what this module is and why does it not exist? |
| 14:10.49 | fenix | amethyst, i had to install debian because i couldnt install drivers at ubuntu :( |
| 14:11.12 | cahoot | paedloch sounds shifty |
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| 14:11.47 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 14:12.39 | ^shark_ | any good apt-sourcelist entries fro a newbie? i am running etch |
| 14:13.08 | rhineheart_m | I installed phpmyadmin with apt-get successfully but it can't be accessed with http://IP/phpmyadmin. Any idea? |
| 14:13.18 | doublehp | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/uBab4T42.html i dont have room for 75M ( and would take over 6h DL). I try to only update apt & friends. |
| 14:13.36 | maligor | ^shark_, you mean third party repositories? |
| 14:13.37 | flaccid_ | rhineheart_m, check where it is located and make sure it is in webroot or symlinked to within webroot on that host |
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| 14:14.04 | ^shark_ | maligor: yes |
| 14:14.27 | dustybin | ive been using static addresses on my /etc/network/interfaces settings for a long time |
| 14:14.34 | dustybin | i have a router what has a DHCP server built in |
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| 14:14.43 | Joelito | Hi all, How come I can view the videos embeded on mozillas, with mplayer in debian lenny? |
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| 14:14.53 | Joelito | oops, I can't :p |
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| 14:14.59 | dustybin | if i use this in debians network settings: iface eth0 inet dhcp <-- do i still need to install a DHCP client? |
| 14:15.10 | maligor | ^shark_, most of my experience with third party repos is that they contain a specific and rather narrow set of programs, so it rather depends what one wants to install |
| 14:15.12 | flaccid_ | dustybin, i don't believe so |
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| 14:15.23 | LemensTS | I have a box with centos 4.3 on it at a remote site, i want to reinstall it with Debian etch...Is thier anyway to do that without putting in a cd? |
| 14:15.52 | dustybin | flaccid_: id like to use DHCP to obtain a local IP, however, id like to assign the DNS name servers manually |
| 14:16.06 | dustybin | could i just stick this after |
| 14:16.09 | dustybin | dns-nameservers 192.168.1.66 |
| 14:16.14 | ^shark_ | maligor: okay what if i want to install contrib non-free programs..? |
| 14:16.33 | maligor | ^shark_, from the official repos? |
| 14:16.53 | ^shark_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:16.56 | maligor | for that you just add control non-free after the main |
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| 14:17.44 | maligor | like deb http://ftp.xx.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 14:17.47 | ^shark_ | maligor: yes sir. |
| 14:17.58 | ^shark_ | maligor: yep |
| 14:17.59 | rhineheart_m | flaccid_, honestly.. I don't know what you meant... :) |
| 14:18.13 | abrotman | doublehp: can you try an apt-get clean before doing that? |
| 14:18.18 | ^shark_ | maligor: i prefer binaries |
| 14:18.28 | doublehp | abrotman: already clean :) |
| 14:18.35 | abrotman | doublehp: this'll teach to not keep your machine up to date :) |
| 14:18.48 | abrotman | doublehp: can you clean up log files? |
| 14:18.48 | flaccid_ | no you don't need to install a dhcp client |
| 14:18.54 | rhineheart_m | flaccid_, I found it in here: /etc/phpmyadmin |
| 14:19.01 | abrotman | doublehp: or old kernel images, etc .. unused packages .. stuff like that |
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| 14:19.21 | doublehp | abrotman: I dont have anything old. I already removed man pages to get space. |
| 14:19.30 | abrotman | okay |
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| 14:19.35 | pingou_work | hi |
| 14:19.35 | abrotman | well, it's up to you |
| 14:19.52 | doublehp | abrotman: it's a router with FLASH drive ... |
| 14:19.57 | pingou_work | I am looking for srvmagt for a debian server, any idea ? |
| 14:20.10 | flaccid_ | rhineheart_m, that is a weird place. thats probably config only |
| 14:20.39 | rhineheart_m | flaccid_, I got here too: /var/www |
| 14:20.54 | flaccid_ | rhineheart_m, yes thats where the web stuff goes |
| 14:21.27 | rhineheart_m | flaccid_, but it is not a folder.. just a text with 21 B |
| 14:21.33 | Asad2005 | IS it possible to install a debian in a 2 GB flash and use it as NAS mainly for media and back up ? Is there a small iso to download and use which has at least NFS and Samba and fit to 2 GB |
| 14:21.34 | abrotman | doublehp: ah gotcha |
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| 14:22.18 | flaccid_ | rhineheart_m, what does running file /var/www/phpmyadmin return? |
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| 14:23.08 | rhineheart_m | okay.. I got it.. I simply copied it to home/user/public_html folder... thanks for the idea flaccid_ |
| 14:23.12 | vaq | Does open-iscsi support multi-initiator access ? |
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| 14:23.53 | flaccid_ | rhineheart_m, my idea was simply to check the install location and then symlink it to the default servers web root. but hey that will work too even though its not the best practice |
| 14:24.27 | ma3x | hi on boot i get error message: aes_paedlock does not exist, while trying to modprob it |
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| 14:24.28 | ma3x | any idea what this module is and why does it not exist? |
| 14:24.39 | DexterF | I'd like to move S20nfs-kernel-server to S26 on all runlevel - how do I do that so it survives a system upgrade? |
| 14:24.46 | streuner | ma3x: cat /proc/version |
| 14:25.04 | ma3x | Linux version 2.6.24-1-686 (Debian 2.6.24-6) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080308 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-21)) #1 SMP Sat Apr 19 00:37:55 UTC 2008 |
| 14:25.18 | rhineheart_m | I guess it was the simlink since no contents in that location and it is not a folder.. ows..not sure though :) thanks |
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| 14:27.42 | streuner | ma3x: show us the whole error in paste.debian.net |
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| 14:30.24 | dustybin | DHCP works, however, im unable to assign my own nameserver |
| 14:31.01 | dustybin | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 14:31.14 | dustybin | dns-nameservers 192.168.1.66 <-- this never gets used? |
| 14:31.15 | streuner | ma3x: modinfo padlock-aes and see you even have usuage for that... |
| 14:32.01 | halflife08 | dustybin: what does /etc/resolv.conf have ? |
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| 14:32.26 | dustybin | halflife08: nameserver 192.168.1.254 <-- this was assigned by DHCP |
| 14:32.56 | dustybin | halflife08: because im running bind9 i need the nameserver to point at my box |
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| 14:33.10 | EtherNet | abrotman: hey man |
| 14:33.14 | EtherNet | abrotman: how are you doing |
| 14:33.24 | dustybin | maybe one cannot use DHCP on debian |
| 14:33.30 | ma3x | streuner: description: VIA PadLock AES algorithm support |
| 14:33.31 | dustybin | if your running your own name server |
| 14:33.35 | ma3x | what good is that? |
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| 14:33.45 | streuner | no idea |
| 14:33.53 | halflife08 | dustybin: then you want to manually set the nameserver ? if so then edit the conf file and disable the nameserver options |
| 14:35.02 | ma3x | streuner: i told you the error - it tries ot load that module and says fatal error, module does not exist. dmesg doesnt log that |
| 14:35.02 | EtherNet | does anyone know if is it possible to open "tabs" in "links" browser |
| 14:35.02 | halflife08 | dustybin: that will prevent the dhcp from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf and you can use your own nameserver and still get dhcp address |
| 14:35.02 | streuner | ma3x: grep the /etc/ then about |
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| 14:35.29 | dustybin | halflife08: edit resolvconf ? |
| 14:35.45 | streuner | ma3x: you also seems to be very *special*, because i found nothing via google too... |
| 14:35.53 | flaccid_ | you edit resolvconf to prevent dhcp overriding resolv.conf ? |
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| 14:37.01 | dustybin | resolvconf is a dir |
| 14:37.02 | abrotman | hi ? |
| 14:37.19 | doublehp | abrotman: after partial update, install ndiswrapper worked (from APT point of view, now, gotta get the driver work ... ) Thx |
| 14:37.19 | abrotman | EtherNet: run screen, open links in those |
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| 14:38.01 | dustybin | "if so then edit the conf file and disable the nameserver options" <-- what conf? |
| 14:38.11 | cahoot | dhclient.conf |
| 14:38.16 | EtherNet | abrotman: that's what currently I am doing.. but I thought it was possible not to open many irssi |
| 14:38.36 | DexterF | !runlevel |
| 14:38.37 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 14:38.45 | themill | !fixresolvconf |
| 14:38.45 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: As root, just do echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). A slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself in /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head, or finally, to edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf (ask me about <override dns>). |
| 14:39.06 | dustybin | request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers, domain-name, domain-name-servers, domain-search, host-name, netbios-name-servers, netbios-scope, interface-mtu; |
| 14:39.23 | dustybin | should i just remove domain-name-servers ? |
| 14:39.48 | flaccid_ | cool |
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| 14:40.31 | pingou_work | how reliable is the soft converted from rpm to deb ? |
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| 14:40.50 | flaccid_ | alien can be pretty good depending on what is being converted |
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| 14:41.04 | |inuxmath | how do i make kguitar know about the midi device? |
| 14:41.10 | pingou_work | flaccid_, a server application |
| 14:41.41 | SamuraiDio | what's the diference between the flashplayer-mozilla, present in debian lenny, and flashplugin-nonfree, present in sid? |
| 14:41.57 | flaccid_ | i can't say. its dependent on what it is and also the userland implementation on the system. can't really guess how good it is |
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| 14:43.41 | drwahl | i have 2 disks setup in a raid right now. i'm considering getting a new file server and i want to stick those 2 drives into the new system. is it possible to somehow migrate the raid to the new system? |
| 14:43.44 | dustybin | when i try and mount a NFS volume i get this error: |
| 14:43.46 | dustybin | mount: mount to NFS server '192.168.1.66' failed: RPC Error: Program not registered |
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| 14:44.42 | ma3x | streuner: http://www.nabble.com/Re:--Pkg-cryptsetup-devel--Bug-464673:-cryptsetup-seems-to-try-to-load-some-padlock-modules-td15355072.html |
| 14:44.43 | drwahl | dustybin: http://www.freebsddiary.org/nfs-portmap.php |
| 14:44.49 | fisfia | I have a very old laptop (IBM THINKPAD) on which I would like to install debian. what shall I choose? |
| 14:45.24 | drwahl | fisfia: what do you want to use it for? |
| 14:45.26 | dustybin | drwahl: i think it was my hosts.allow |
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| 14:46.21 | fisfia | drwahl: internet/email can I get gnome? I don't like KDE. |
| 14:46.42 | doublehp | after installing ndiswrapper-source what to do to be able to modprobe something ? |
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| 14:47.06 | fisfia | drwahl: or even better can I use openbox? |
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| 14:48.26 | streuner | ma3x: hm, fine |
| 14:48.28 | amphi | fisfia: why not? |
| 14:48.30 | drwahl | fisfia: ok, so just a portable workstation, correct? i would recommend using the net-install CD and selecting "Laptop" along with "Desktop". that will ensure you have a GUI and the modules typically needed for laptops. you can use either gnome or kde right out of the box, but you can easily install openbox, e17, xfce, etc. if you like |
| 14:48.36 | ttl- | greetings |
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| 14:48.46 | ma3x | streuner: what should i do? |
| 14:48.51 | amphi | fisfia: what thinkpad is it? thinkwiki.org might have some info of use to you |
| 14:49.02 | ttl- | is there a tool in Debian to convert xls to something usable like csv ? |
| 14:49.21 | streuner | ma3x: what does nometa recommend? :-) |
| 14:49.36 | ttl- | it should also support batch operation |
| 14:49.51 | ttl- | i need to use it from a script |
| 14:50.34 | ma3x | streuner: who's nometa? |
| 14:50.41 | fisfia | drwahl: I´m now on the downloading page for debian.org I can choose alpha, amd64, arm, hppa, i386 etc. what shall I choose? i386??? |
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| 14:52.21 | pumpkin0 | fisfia: do you have a PC ? |
| 14:52.26 | streuner | ma3x: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=464673 |
| 14:52.29 | Wyzard | fisfia: yes, i386 |
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| 14:53.42 | drwahl | fisfia: also check http://linuxonlaptops.com/ |
| 14:53.48 | drwahl | i have 2 disks setup in a raid right now. i'm considering getting a new file server and i want to stick those 2 drives into the new system. is it possible to somehow migrate the raid to the new system? |
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| 14:54.22 | streuner | ma3x: "We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of cryptsetup, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:" ... |
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| 14:54.37 | fisfia | Wyzard: now I have to choose from debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso debian-40r3-i386-CD-2.iso etc... sorry theese are basic questions |
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| 14:54.59 | Wyzard | fisfia: Do you have an Internet connection available on the laptop where you're installing? |
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| 14:56.11 | expose | How to use javascript enabled PDFs without acroread? |
| 14:56.36 | Asad2005 | what does the business card iso installs, just the base system or just booting the system and installs the base system from net |
| 14:56.37 | fisfia | Wyzard: yes but then I'll be disconnected from this computer on which I'm writing now. And can't get any support while installing. But maybe it's as easy as for Ubuntu to install? |
| 14:56.44 | ma3x | streuner: thanks |
| 14:56.46 | petemc | Asad2005: it had the base system, no pppoe support i think is all its missing |
| 14:56.50 | nikolka | /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 14:56.57 | halflife08 | drwahl: are you planning to use the same disks ? |
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| 14:57.20 | Wyzard | fisfia: If you have an Internet connection, you can use the "netinst" or "businesscard" CD, which contains just the intaller and some basic system stuff, and will download the rest as-needed during installation |
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| 14:57.38 | Wyzard | fisfia: You only need the full CD set if you want to have packages available to install without being connected to the Internet |
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| 14:58.08 | drwahl | halflife08: yes |
| 14:58.21 | Asad2005 | whats the minimum disk space requirement for base system plus samba and NFS and raid admin |
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| 14:58.53 | dcnoye | any word of when lenny is going stable ? |
| 14:58.55 | halflife08 | drwahl: does the new fileserver have disk controllers that accept these drives ? |
| 14:59.04 | fisfia | Wyzard: ok. but I'm on the downloadpage now and have to choose between debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso and debian-40r3-i386-CD-2.iso etc. which number shall I take? Is the highest number the newest one or what? |
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| 14:59.23 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 14:59.23 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 14:59.37 | drwahl | halflife08: well, its in a conceptual stage right now. the disks are 2x500GB SATA disks and mdadm is managing the raid |
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| 15:00.04 | fisfia | Wyzard: I'm here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:00.04 | Wyzard | fisfia: CD-1 contains the installer and some of the most common packages, and additional CDs contain additional packages |
| 15:00.32 | Wyzard | fisfia: It's not a question of choosing one or the other... Debian is *all* of them |
| 15:00.36 | fisfia | Wyzard: ok. I choose CD1 then and connect the laptop to the internet |
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| 15:01.07 | Wyzard | fisfia: If you want to do a network-based installation, though, I'd recommend using the netinst CD rather than the regular CD-1 |
| 15:01.17 | Wyzard | fisfia: For one thing, it's a smaller download |
| 15:01.32 | dcnoye | abrotman: i know that etch is the current stable, what i'm looking is information when "Lenny" will be the new stable |
| 15:02.01 | halflife08 | drwahl: unless the new file server has the sata drive controllers and if the drive slots allows the drives to physically fit in , do the disks have the / and /boot partitions or are they just have /data /foor |
| 15:02.04 | jelly-home | !wwlr |
| 15:02.06 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html |
| 15:02.08 | Wyzard | dcnoye: I've seen it estimated that it should be around the end of this year, but that's subject to change (and I might be wrong in the first place) |
| 15:02.15 | pingou_work | thanks |
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| 15:02.31 | jelly-home | dcnoye: 2009, possibly :-) |
| 15:02.37 | dcnoye | thanks Wyzard |
| 15:02.44 | dcnoye | thanks jelly-home |
| 15:02.53 | dcnoye | anything in print ? |
| 15:02.58 | fisfia | Wyzard: I clicked netinst i386 and then debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso is that correct? |
| 15:03.18 | Wyzard | fisfia: You don't need both the netinst CD and CD-1 |
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| 15:03.59 | fenix | Hello again |
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| 15:04.23 | fisfia | Wyzard: so I take this one: debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso? |
| 15:04.26 | drwahl | halflife08: the disks house my network shared files. the root and base install was done on another disk entirely (and IDE disk i believe). I'm thinking that there must be a file somewhere the defines the raid, and i should be able to reinstall on a disk in the new file server then grab that raid file and just pop the 2 disks in (maybe changing sda/b to match the new setup, if needed) |
| 15:04.34 | Wyzard | fisfia: If you want to do a network install, yes |
| 15:05.00 | fisfia | Wyzard: good now I got it :D |
| 15:05.02 | dirk_ | how do I let konsole use kate instead of vi? |
| 15:05.05 | halflife08 | drwahl: /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 15:05.11 | Wyzard | fisfia: That'll download additional packages as-needed during installation, which is the most efficient option in terms of how much gets downloaded overall, but you need a reasonably fast Internet connection during installation |
| 15:05.48 | halflife08 | drwahl: you can always slap the disks in and build the config file using the scan option of mdadm man mdadm |
| 15:05.48 | drwahl | halflife08: ya, that is the file i was thinking, but i guess the question is, will copying that file make everything work on the new machine? |
| 15:05.50 | fisfia | Wyzard: I have 24Mbit should be good enought! |
| 15:05.53 | Wyzard | drwahl: The RAID metadata is stored on the RAID disks themselves |
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| 15:06.26 | Wyzard | drwahl: so it should be possible just move the disks over |
| 15:06.29 | halflife08 | drwahl: so you don't really need the conf file. you can do it on the file, look at the query options of mdadm |
| 15:06.36 | halflife08 | **on the fly |
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| 15:07.06 | drwahl | sweet. i thought that scan was for monitoring the disks (so i kinda ignored the man page on that part :). i will have to give it a shot. now... to save up money for the new system |
| 15:07.26 | bogo | hi guys, I've got /usr/include etc. what do I need to install to also get the implementations of the function prototypes ? such as select, accept, fork etc. ? |
| 15:07.50 | abrotman | you mean the man pages? |
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| 15:08.10 | Wyzard | drwahl: However, if the new machine has a different hostname than the old one, use caution; RAID UUIDs are generated based on the hostname and I've seen problems when moving an array to a machine with a different hostname |
| 15:08.12 | abrotman | !b-e bogo |
| 15:08.12 | dpkg | bogo: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 15:08.20 | abrotman | bogo: if you want man pages .. manpages-dev |
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| 15:08.58 | bogo | dpkg, I have build-essential, I want the source code of these functions prototypes |
| 15:08.58 | dpkg | You are moron #1, bogo |
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| 15:09.00 | jelly-home | bogo: a strict and completely unuseful answer: the implementations are in the C library and the kernel. You already have them. |
| 15:09.01 | bogo | I can use them already |
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| 15:09.29 | Wyzard | bogo: Download the libc6 source code |
| 15:09.30 | bogo | jelly-home, so do I just get the source code of glibc ? |
| 15:09.30 | abrotman | !tell fenix_ about root |
| 15:09.39 | bogo | Wyzard, thanks |
| 15:09.51 | jelly-home | bogo: yes. and the kernel. not that it'll help... |
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| 15:10.00 | drwahl | Wyzard: its a home system, so i could easily make it the same hostname without causing any conflict, but that is good to know, as i typically give my machines hostname based on some of the hardware in it |
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| 15:10.31 | Wyzard | drwahl: Theoretically, the array should work fine in the new machine with the different hostname |
| 15:11.09 | Wyzard | drwahl: and at some point you should use mdadm to update the array's "homehost" to the new hostname, which will have the side effect of changing the array's UUID |
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| 15:11.58 | Wyzard | drwahl: but I've seen a case where I moved a 4-drive RAID-5 array to a new computer, and for some reason two of the drives got their homehost updated automatically, which changed their UUID, and the other two didn't |
| 15:12.24 | drwahl | Wyzard: i will be sure to read up on that. it sounds like mdadm will handle the migration stuff, so i am going to be sure to read through the man page thoroughly |
| 15:12.45 | Wyzard | drwahl: so I was left with two pairs of drives with different UUIDs, which the system therefore thought were part of different arrays rather than all part of the same array |
| 15:13.00 | Wyzard | drwahl: and 2 out of 4 drives is not enough for a RAID-5, so the array couldn't be assembled |
| 15:13.02 | drwahl | Wyzard: were you able to recover it? |
| 15:13.12 | drwahl | like eventually... |
| 15:13.17 | abrotman | he is a Wyzard, specializing in magnets! |
| 15:13.36 | drwahl | lol |
| 15:13.47 | Wyzard | drwahl: only by using mdadm to reinitialize the array, which is risky |
| 15:14.04 | Asad2005 | Are there a ready CF card image to download |
| 15:14.16 | Wyzard | drwahl: If I'd done it wrong I would've lost all the data |
| 15:14.48 | Wyzard | drwahl: What I don't know is why those two drives got their homehost updated automatically |
| 15:14.58 | Wyzard | drwahl: FWIW, that system was running Ubuntu, not Debian |
| 15:16.10 | Asad2005 | Any help, need a CF card image for a 2 GB flash |
| 15:17.14 | Wyzard | Asad2005: "CF card image"? |
| 15:17.21 | Optic | nose! |
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| 15:19.24 | Asad2005 | Wyzard, I have an IDE to CF adaptor and installed a 2 GB compact flash on, now i need a debian image to install it on would the CD iso install ? |
| 15:19.56 | Wyzard | Asad2005: With an IDE to CF adapter it's just an ordinary hard drive as far as the system is concerned |
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| 15:20.04 | Wyzard | Asad2005: Install like you'd install on any other system |
| 15:20.45 | Asad2005 | Wyzard, How about swap is it needed |
| 15:21.02 | Wyzard | Asad2005: not if you have enough RAM |
| 15:21.19 | Asad2005 | Wyzard, and what about space 2 GB with no X ok ? |
| 15:21.20 | Wyzard | Asad2005: Even if you do have enough RAM, swap isn't a bad idea in general, but putting swap on a CF card might be inadvisable |
| 15:21.42 | Wyzard | Asad2005: depends on how much you want to install, but that may be enough |
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| 15:22.10 | Asad2005 | Wyzard, I need NFS,Samba and raid admin |
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| 15:22.42 | Asad2005 | Wyzard, it will be a NAS |
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| 15:23.40 | munkyeetr | I compiled my kernel 2.6.25 and on boot I get " kernel panic - not syncing : VFS: unable to mount root FS on unknown-block (0,0)" |
| 15:23.42 | spersaud | hi I need to configure my wireless card at boot time ... |
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| 15:23.55 | spersaud | tired of doing iwconfig manually ... how do you do it ? |
| 15:24.23 | munkyeetr | any suggestions on where I may have gone wrong? |
| 15:24.34 | Wyzard | munkyeetr: sounds like you left out some essential driver from your kernel |
| 15:24.50 | Wyzard | munkyeetr: or forgot to provide an initrd when you need one |
| 15:25.24 | munkyeetr | Wyzard: would the initrd be in the kernel configuration? I thought it was built in now...or do I need to create one? |
| 15:25.48 | Wyzard | munkyeetr: It's a separate file that's built when the kernel is installed |
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| 15:26.03 | munkyeetr | Wyzard: so it's in the source tree somewhere? |
| 15:26.06 | Wyzard | munkyeetr: If you used make-kpkg, the --initrd option will cause the .deb to generate one automatically when you install it |
| 15:26.19 | Wyzard | munkyeetr: no, it's generated locally on the system where the kernel is installed |
| 15:26.26 | Wyzard | It's not part of the kernel |
| 15:26.29 | munkyeetr | Wyzard: i'll try that...thanx |
| 15:27.21 | whatsgood | what did i do wrong, i rebuilt the kernel with the state netfilter module in the kernel, i rebooted into the new kernel and iptables still doesn't find state module |
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| 15:28.33 | expose | I would like to create a schedule for myself at university - any good tools to do that? (qt/kde preferred) |
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| 15:30.47 | whatsgood | i use korganizer |
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| 15:31.12 | whatsgood | i would just use one specifcally for your courses instead of the main\default one |
| 15:31.30 | whatsgood | ok well i fixed my problem. very wierd but i understand |
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| 15:35.00 | whatsgood | ok i going to get kebab |
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| 15:38.19 | Joelito | Hi all, in gnome with debian + testing, How do I make my system automatically detect and install the proper driver when I turn on my printer, like in unbuntu? Thanks |
| 15:38.59 | expose | Joelito: aptitude install <driver> and configure cups? |
| 15:39.08 | expose | Joelito: you might want foomatic as well. |
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| 15:39.32 | expose | Joelito: check #debian and the debian reference book (aka the debian documentation) |
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| 15:40.43 | thedonvaughn | Joelito: just install cups and the necessary extras for your printer. you can google your printer model + cups. |
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| 15:40.45 | Bert_2 | hi, how can I find out which soundcard/onboard sound there is in my laptop and how can I find out how to get the sound working ? |
| 15:41.04 | thedonvaughn | Joelito: you configure cups easily by web front end after starting cups. localhost:631 |
| 15:41.06 | Joelito | ok, thanks to all :) |
| 15:41.19 | expose | Joelito: lol, nvr mind - i confused channels. |
| 15:41.24 | amphi | Bert_2: 'lspci | grep -i audio' perhaps |
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| 15:43.02 | Bert_2 | amphi: that returns 00:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1978 Maestro 2E (rev 10) |
| 15:43.44 | amphi | Bert_2: does "lsmod | grep '^snd'" show anything? |
| 15:44.51 | Bert_2 | amphi: tes it return a lot |
| 15:44.57 | Bert_2 | *yes |
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| 15:47.37 | amphi | Bert_2: run alsamixer and see that channels are unmuted |
| 15:48.42 | munkyeetr | any suggestions or links for a good guide to creating a really lean custom kernel, very machine-tailored? |
| 15:48.56 | munkyeetr | I look at so many of the options and have no idea if I need them or not |
| 15:49.16 | Haris1 | Ok, I have a fresh isntall of etch r3 |
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| 15:49.30 | halflife08 | munkyeetr: why do you want a lean kernel ? the current kernel is modular so you can config the modules that need not be loaded |
| 15:49.32 | moope1 | If I wanted to have both openoffice.org 2.4 and 3 on my system, whats the best way of doing it so 2.4 doesnt get borked? |
| 15:49.42 | Haris1 | I want to test drive it. I'm hoping the issue with random tcp connection failure won't occur on it |
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| 15:50.51 | munkyeetr | halflife08: i am just starting to learn to compile kernels and most of the options are greek to me |
| 15:51.01 | munkyeetr | I'd prefer not to add components I don;t need |
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| 15:51.58 | CalJohn | Is there such a thing as a pdf decompiler? I'd really like to have this in ASCII/html format |
| 15:52.00 | halflife08 | munkyeetr: there is a documentation directory under the kernel source that explains a lot, kernel-howto is another document to read. to build kernels the debian way look at kernel-package. |
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| 15:52.44 | munkyeetr | halflife08: ty |
| 15:53.13 | CalJohn | munkyeetr: i haven't read your conversation, but that's a good strategy for learning. Make sure you use the make-kpkg way, it's much more debian friendly than the vanilla way. |
| 15:53.16 | Bert_2 | amphi: I found it PCM was muted, thanks man :D |
| 15:53.42 | munkyeetr | CalJohn: for sure |
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| 15:54.27 | halflife08 | munkyeetr: make-kpkg is a binary in the package kernel-package . |
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| 15:55.09 | munkyeetr | halflife08: i have it. i'm compiling a kernel as we speak (my 2nd), but in the future i'd like to make it more machine specific |
| 15:55.20 | munkyeetr | to my machine |
| 15:55.26 | h0ax | hi, i have a problem with debian. i also came accross this problem with ubuntu ... when i have gaim running it someonetimes just randomly quits. any ideas ? |
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| 15:56.23 | CalJohn | answered my own question: poppler-utils |
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| 15:56.40 | CalJohn | h0ax: it's gaim specific, ask on #pidgin |
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| 15:57.10 | CalJohn | h0ax: they will probably know the answer by heart there |
| 15:57.36 | h0ax | ok will do |
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| 15:58.13 | Haris1 | on a new install of etch r3 |
| 15:58.21 | Haris1 | I just manually configured my interfaces |
| 15:58.35 | Haris1 | but I can't ping any IP on any interface, except the wan interface |
| 15:58.42 | Haris1 | is it selinux or is it a problem in etch? |
| 16:00.14 | peleg | How do I set the clock of Debian? |
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| 16:00.24 | zachary | hello |
| 16:00.33 | Haris1 | maybe they'v been assigned the wrong interface #s. :| |
| 16:00.33 | amphi | Bert_2: good-oh |
| 16:01.32 | muddd | peleg, the date command |
| 16:01.59 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 16:01.59 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 16:02.36 | muddd | wow that was thorough |
| 16:04.49 | peleg | muddd: thanks! |
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| 16:05.33 | muddd | dont thank me, thank dpkg ;p |
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| 16:05.46 | muddd | and abrotman for making it say that |
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| 16:06.30 | hobophobe | mysqlcheck keeps e-mailing me a bunch of numbers and I don't know why. Anyone have similar behavior? |
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| 16:07.01 | hobophobe | (they're the same numbers every time) |
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| 16:10.36 | abrotman | hobophobe: can you paste the email? sanitized if need be |
| 16:11.14 | peleg | I couldn't understand how to simply update the timezone of the system |
| 16:11.29 | abrotman | did you get it? |
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| 16:11.51 | Haris1 | I want to choose which NIC to assign to which eth(0,1,2,3,4...). How can I do it? |
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| 16:12.01 | hobophobe | http://pastebin.ca/1001900 Dunno what the numbers mean, so hopefully they needn't be sanitized. |
| 16:12.01 | cahoot | !z25 |
| 16:12.01 | dpkg | it has been said that z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
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| 16:12.37 | abrotman | hobophobe: uhm, it's telling you one or more of your tables are corrupted |
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| 16:12.54 | hobophobe | Yeah, but usually it would say what table, not just give a bunch of numbers? |
| 16:13.10 | abrotman | hobophobe: probably ask #mysql if those numbers are significant |
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| 16:13.23 | hobophobe | Ok, thanks |
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| 16:15.08 | Haris1 | Ok, changed mapping for one interface, rebooting to see what happne |
| 16:15.10 | Haris1 | happens+ |
| 16:15.21 | abrotman | and the 12-210-232-197.client.mchsi.com |
| 16:15.35 | Haris1 | ./etc/init.d/networking restart is not as reliable as redhat's /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 16:15.39 | Haris1 | make it! |
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| 16:15.46 | abrotman | patches are welcome |
| 16:16.04 | idimmu | i find ifup/down works a treat .. |
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| 16:17.32 | zeitsofa | hello people how i can calibrate my toucpanel on a lenny |
| 16:17.44 | zeitsofa | *touchpanel |
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| 16:19.20 | abrotman | zeitsofa: calibrate for what? if oyu're using gnome/kde they probably have a tool |
| 16:19.40 | Haris1 | ssh server doesn't run out of the box on etch r3? |
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| 16:20.18 | abrotman | why would it? |
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| 16:20.49 | Haris1 | Its not even installed |
| 16:20.55 | abrotman | no kidding .. why would it be? |
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| 16:20.59 | Haris1 | comes installed and ready on redhat |
| 16:21.03 | jelly-home | it should stay in the box, not run out of it |
| 16:21.05 | abrotman | THIS IS NOT RED HAT |
| 16:21.21 | Haris1 | abrotman: I know |
| 16:21.35 | abrotman | so stop using it as a comparison because of your own inadquacies |
| 16:21.41 | jelly-home | base system is base. |
| 16:21.45 | zeitsofa | abrotman: i have xface :/ |
| 16:21.48 | Haris1 | o_O |
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| 16:22.00 | abrotman | not that i can spell that word, but that's not the point |
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| 16:22.31 | Haris1 | you'v got to move your sarcasm away. It means little most of the times |
| 16:22.40 | abrotman | that's not sarcasm |
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| 16:22.51 | buscon | Hi, can someone tell me the Unicode of '^]' ? |
| 16:23.11 | abrotman | Haris1: not everyone needs an ssh server, and installing(and running by defalut) could be construed as a security issue |
| 16:23.14 | zeitsofa | abrotman: do you know what is the name of the tool ? |
| 16:23.17 | abrotman | no |
| 16:23.51 | muddd | zeitsofa, tool for what? i got here late |
| 16:24.01 | muddd | i have and use xfce |
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| 16:24.09 | Haris1 | I find that odd |
| 16:24.12 | zeitsofa | muddd: to calibrate touchpanel |
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| 16:24.24 | Haris1 | at least for my needs, that is |
| 16:24.29 | abrotman | yes, for you |
| 16:24.30 | jelly-home | buscon: that's an ascii control character. I thought unicode only managed glyphs (and related material)? |
| 16:24.34 | idimmu | Haris1: you have odd needs |
| 16:24.34 | abrotman | but you're not everyone |
| 16:24.55 | Haris1 | makes sense |
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| 16:25.29 | buscon | jelly-home, understand, I remapped my keyboard with xmodmap and I don't know the name of that character... |
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| 16:26.29 | jelly-home | buscon: man ascii says GS (group separator) |
| 16:26.41 | idimmu | isnt ^] just control-] ? |
| 16:27.03 | jelly-home | idimmu: it is usually mapped to that key combo, right |
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| 16:27.09 | buscon | jelly-home, ah, good, now I try |
| 16:27.10 | idimmu | o |
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| 16:28.37 | Haris1 | why does etch log same info to 3 different files out of the box? /var/log/messages, /var/log/daemon.log, /var/log/syslog |
| 16:28.53 | icenine | How can I submit packages (that I built) for debian? |
| 16:28.58 | buscon | jelly-home, there's no "group separator" in /usr/include/X11/keysymdef.h |
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| 16:30.33 | jelly-home | buscon: there is no ctrl-f either. why would there be ctrl-]? What are you trying to do? |
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| 16:31.22 | tarzeau | icenine: which pkg did you build? |
| 16:31.26 | buscon | jelly-home, I remapped some characters with xmodmap, included my plus/asterisk/rightbracket char |
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| 16:31.57 | buscon | jelly-home, but now I can do no more ^] |
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| 16:33.59 | Haris1 | Finally |
| 16:34.12 | Haris1 | I think I'v sorted out the NIC<->eth mappings |
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| 16:34.24 | Haris1 | they change everytime I do a fresh install |
| 16:34.32 | Haris1 | is that something programmed into it? |
| 16:34.48 | cahoot | !z25 |
| 16:34.48 | dpkg | i guess z25 is as of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac> |
| 16:35.03 | Haris1 | cahoot: thankyou. I did modify it |
| 16:35.12 | Haris1 | I was just enquiring |
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| 16:36.42 | jelly-home | buscon: how do you type just ] now? I can AltGr-G to get ] and Ctrl-AltGr-G for ^] with no ill effects (on a croatian keyboard setup) |
| 16:37.18 | buscon | jelly-home, I type AltGr-+ for ] |
| 16:37.22 | icenine | tarzeau: I am building enligtenment 0.17. I know there is a debian build team for this, but there is still no package in the repos? |
| 16:37.26 | buscon | (as I ever do it) |
| 16:37.28 | jelly-home | buscon: also, xkeycaps is a nifty GUI for xmodmap |
| 16:37.49 | jelly-home | buscon: and ctrl-altgt-+ is no go? |
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| 16:38.34 | jelly-home | !e17 |
| 16:38.34 | dpkg | Don't even think about asking ljlane anything about e17 or efm. see DR17 |
| 16:38.39 | Haris1 | iproute was not installed out of the box as well |
| 16:38.46 | Haris1 | o.o |
| 16:38.47 | buscon | jelly-home, no, Ctrl-Altgr-+ is the same as Ctrl-+ |
| 16:38.57 | Haris1 | can etch do routing without iproute? |
| 16:39.02 | Haris1 | o_O |
| 16:39.03 | tarzeau | icenine: and where's your package? |
| 16:39.15 | tarzeau | icenine: we also have our own e17 builds.. but it's a bit messy |
| 16:39.19 | icenine | it will be in /opt/e17/ soon. |
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| 16:39.27 | tarzeau | icenine: oh , we have that already |
| 16:39.30 | icenine | I'll totally get it to work on a minimal system |
| 16:39.35 | tarzeau | icenine: but for debian you'd have to package it properly |
| 16:39.38 | icenine | so that all the deps are correct |
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| 16:39.52 | tarzeau | icenine: proper debian packages don't touch /opt |
| 16:39.57 | icenine | right |
| 16:40.13 | icenine | but all I have to do is make /opt/e17 root and then it's as if i installed it there |
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| 16:40.53 | jelly-home | tarzeau: is that repo at /msg dpkg dr17 worth mentioning to a casual user? |
| 16:41.09 | icenine | why am I even building this. |
| 16:41.12 | tarzeau | jelly-home: no idea, i'd have to try. we have it not because of me :) |
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| 16:41.33 | jelly-home | "we"? |
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| 16:42.05 | icenine | so, what is missing in that build of e17 that is keeping it out of the repos? |
| 16:42.50 | Haris1 | why does debian feel portmap is a service that deserves to be installed out of the box? |
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| 16:43.12 | Haris1 | alot of people use it? |
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| 16:44.04 | Haris1 | isnt portmap a secirty hole? |
| 16:44.11 | Haris1 | security+ |
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| 16:45.48 | gitguy | hi guys, i'm running debian etch on a vps server... `uname -r` shows 2.6.16-xenU and i want to install the kernel headers, but there is no 2.6.16-xenU headers on the repository |
| 16:45.52 | jelly-home | Haris1: historical reasons. remove it if it bothers you |
| 16:45.52 | gitguy | any ideas? |
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| 16:46.43 | Haris1 | its not a bother. Its just that, so far I don't have a need for it |
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| 16:47.52 | jelly-home | gitguy: your provider has a custom built kernel. |
| 16:48.22 | Haris1 | how about iproute? can I live without it on debian? This box I just erbuilt us a transparent proxy |
| 16:49.00 | Haris1 | damn! the spelling mistakes. I'm eating atm. |
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| 16:49.53 | Pig_Pen | what else is there to setting up wifi in Debian Lenny? besides making sure the kernel module for the wifi adapter is loaded & the correct networking configuration and wpa settings, i noticed when i install ubuntu it shows mac80211 in lsmod included with my wifi card module (is that what i was missing?) |
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| 16:50.40 | cahoot | what module? |
| 16:50.54 | cahoot | (for the wifi) |
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| 16:53.07 | Pig_Pen | rt61pci |
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| 16:53.45 | Pig_Pen | it is a linksys WMP54G card |
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| 16:54.50 | cahoot | Pig_Pen: if it's dependent on the new wireless stack you need mac80211 |
| 16:55.15 | N3bunel | saluta |
| 16:55.19 | Pig_Pen | is mac80211 included with debian Testing (Lenny) |
| 16:55.48 | cahoot | see what modprobe mac80211 gives |
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| 16:56.20 | Pig_Pen | at the moment i have ubuntu installed becase otherwise i would not be online |
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| 16:56.50 | Pig_Pen | mac80211 165652 3 rt61pci,rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib |
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| 16:57.46 | Pig_Pen | i bet that mac80211 was what i needed because when i modprobed with debian i did not see mac80211 but i did see the rt61pci modules |
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| 16:58.26 | Pig_Pen | it will be nice to get wifi working with debian, ubuntu can be somewhat annoying |
| 16:58.47 | cahoot | (as it's users ? ;) ) |
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| 16:59.38 | bvk | Pig_Pen: just now i got my wifi working as an accesspoint with sharing :-D |
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| 16:59.49 | jelly-home | cahoot: or #debian's ops? |
| 17:00.00 | jelly-home | !apostrophesmite cahoot |
| 17:00.00 | dpkg | smite's cahoot with a plague of extraneous apostrophe's. |
| 17:00.02 | Pig_Pen | the distro just wants to do too much for the user, i had to kill automatic updates because it kept locking up the system causing the CPU to be consumed 100% |
| 17:00.13 | cahoot | jelly-home: right |
| 17:00.32 | Haris1 | time to check out the new box |
| 17:00.37 | jelly-home | s/ops/grammar nazis/ |
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| 17:01.15 | Pig_Pen | bvk, what am i missing? |
| 17:01.48 | Pig_Pen | is it that mac80211? (i think it is) |
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| 17:02.55 | Pig_Pen | what i want to know is if mac80211 is included with debian, i dont want to install debian again only to find out it is not included |
| 17:04.00 | bvk | Pig_Pen: what is mac80211 btw? sorry, i didn't get the context :-( |
| 17:04.04 | jelly-home | Pig_Pen: http://packages.debian.org/ is your friend. search for, say, mac80211.ko if that's the module name |
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| 17:04.39 | jelly-home | !find mac80211/mac80211.ko lenny |
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| 17:05.12 | peppe | mac80211 was merged in 2.6.22, so... |
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| 17:05.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'mac80211/mac80211.ko' (3 of 5): (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-486/kernel/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/kernel/net/mac80211/mac80211.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64. |
| 17:05.49 | jelly-home | and testing has 2.6.24 now |
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| 17:06.35 | nse | hey universal folks! |
| 17:06.52 | jelly-home | Pig_Pen: does that tickle your instally bits? |
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| 17:08.09 | Pig_Pen | ah, its a kernel module! i had it all along! i just did not know to modprobe it! (somebody kick me in the pants) |
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| 17:08.44 | Pig_Pen | i am new to wifi, i used linux for years but only on a wired desktop |
| 17:09.02 | cahoot | strange if it wasn't pulled in automagically |
| 17:09.43 | jelly-home | !penixsmite Pig_Pen |
| 17:09.44 | peppe | Pig_Pen: you *don't want* to modprobe that module. that is just a wifi stack. you need a driver for your wireless card |
| 17:09.59 | amphi | Pig_Pen: what card do you have? |
| 17:10.12 | peppe | if the driver uses the mac80211 stack, modprobe will load that too |
| 17:10.30 | Pig_Pen | why is mac80211 showing up in lsmod? |
| 17:10.44 | msan | Pig_Pen: something loaded it |
| 17:10.58 | amphi | Pig_Pen: you should see what module depends on it in lsmod |
| 17:11.00 | beardy | !fix jelly-home |
| 17:11.00 | dpkg | takes jelly-home to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 17:11.03 | msan | it should say next to it what module loaded it. |
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| 17:11.16 | Haris1 | damned, squid3 still comes with 4K FDs |
| 17:11.16 | Pig_Pen | when i had Lenny installed lsmod showed my wifi adapter card module but no mac80211, what must i do to kickstart that thing? |
| 17:11.48 | msan | what is your adapter card ? |
| 17:11.59 | Pig_Pen | i have another question, on my wifi router i have it set to blacklist everyone except this PC's mac address, if i disable that will i not need mac80211? |
| 17:12.33 | Pig_Pen | Linksys WMP54G (uses the rt61pci kernel module) |
| 17:12.51 | peppe | rt61pci does not use mac80211 AFAIK |
| 17:13.49 | peppe | hm, but I may be wrong, I don't know the module names of the rt2x00 project that was merged in 2.6.24 (which use mac80211) |
| 17:14.20 | Pig_Pen | i got to figure out what i am doing wrong or not doing to get wifi going, ubuntu runs it out of the box, i would prefer debian a lot more |
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| 17:14.33 | peppe | which ubuntu? gutsy? |
| 17:14.46 | Pig_Pen | hardy |
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| 17:14.56 | nse | does forster have anything to do with freeze? |
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| 17:15.03 | peppe | so it does probably use the rt2x00 drivers |
| 17:15.10 | Pig_Pen | yes |
| 17:15.21 | Pig_Pen | mac80211 165652 3 rt61pci,rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib |
| 17:15.22 | peppe | if rt61pci is loaded , look at dmesg or /var/log/messages for some output |
| 17:15.33 | peppe | maybe you need a firmware or something like that |
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| 17:17.31 | peppe | Pig_Pen: Package firmware-ralink * lenny (testing) (admin): Binary firmware for rt61, rt61pci, rt73, rt73usb wireless network drivers [non-free] |
| 17:18.15 | Pig_Pen | would i have to download that separately or would it be on one of the first two CDroms? |
| 17:18.47 | Pig_Pen | to an "expert" install and when it prompts for non-free software select yes? |
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| 17:20.08 | Pig_Pen | or just simply using apt to install firmware-ralink do it? |
| 17:20.12 | peppe | Pig_Pen: you can enable non-free repositories at any time, then aptitude install that |
| 17:21.04 | Pig_Pen | i can take this PC to another location do the install with a wired network then once i get it back here i have no wired net (only wifi) |
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| 17:22.09 | Pig_Pen | when does Lenny go to stable? later this year isnt it? towards the end of summer? |
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| 17:22.38 | Pig_Pen | let me write that down before i forget the name |
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| 17:23.02 | XenReborn | how do i force dselect to not download a file if i already have binaries for the same stupid thing, only higher version, installed ? |
| 17:23.17 | XenReborn | if i want to install something that depends on it |
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| 17:23.47 | sdschulze | I'm a bit confused; I did a "rm -r .*" on a test account, but my GNOME settings were restored after logging in again. (Yes, I was logged off when doing the remove.) Do you have an explanation for this? |
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| 17:24.11 | _abc_ | hi guys, does anyone know if there is work being done for the Azalia modem driver? |
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| 17:24.34 | Pig_Pen | i think i will do that and that mac80211 if wifi still does not work, thanks peppe for the info :) |
| 17:25.10 | sdschulze | (Apart from this, switching keyboard layouts is no more working after an upgrade.) |
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| 17:26.03 | abrotman | XenReborn: dselect? seriously? |
| 17:26.14 | benjamindees | I suppose this counts as progress. I am now able to consistently print large images on small paper, or small images on large paper; but still not large images on large paper. |
| 17:26.29 | themill | !congratulate benjamindees |
| 17:26.30 | dpkg | Yay benjamindees, you did it! |
| 17:26.36 | benjamindees | heh |
| 17:26.45 | Wyzard | wonders if dselect is even maintained anymore |
| 17:27.04 | abrotman | i know it has one user still .. jetscreamer |
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| 17:27.17 | abrotman | and therea re different versions in etch lenny/sid .. so i'd say iti s |
| 17:27.33 | XenReborn | ... yeah |
| 17:27.39 | Wyzard | Does it actually do anything that aptitude can't? |
| 17:27.41 | XenReborn | ok with apt-get then jesus lol |
| 17:27.45 | sdschulze | I can still add keyboard configurations, but they don't appear in the keyboard switching applet as "groups". |
| 17:27.50 | themill | Wyzard: last uploaded 3 weeks ago |
| 17:27.57 | XenReborn | what does it fricking matter its a package installation piece of shit... |
| 17:27.59 | XenReborn | lol |
| 17:28.00 | abrotman | XenReborn: why doy ou have a higher version ? |
| 17:28.14 | XenReborn | because i wanted to install the newest version of mysql |
| 17:28.29 | Wyzard | XenReborn: anyway, apt won't install an older version of something if you already have a newer version, except in uncommon circumstances that you shouldn't encounter in a stable release |
| 17:28.30 | XenReborn | and debian was behind |
| 17:28.40 | githogori_ | Anything happening - why does debian show 823 members today? |
| 17:28.46 | XenReborn | its not entered in the apt db wyzard |
| 17:28.51 | XenReborn | i installed it from source |
| 17:28.52 | abrotman | XenReborn: paste the errror somewhere |
| 17:28.54 | themill | XenReborn: backport? |
| 17:28.59 | abrotman | tried really hard to type XenReporn |
| 17:29.11 | XenReborn | no error |
| 17:29.11 | Wyzard | XenReborn: then that's why apt is trying to install it |
| 17:29.17 | themill | XenReborn: You can't go outside the package management system and then expect it to behave nicely. |
| 17:29.19 | XenReborn | i know ! |
| 17:29.23 | abrotman | !equivs |
| 17:29.23 | dpkg | equivs is probably a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 17:29.24 | XenReborn | i want it to tell it to NOT install itr |
| 17:29.29 | XenReborn | but install the php module i need |
| 17:29.30 | XenReborn | lol |
| 17:29.40 | XenReborn | cries in frustration as people are not understand what he's asking |
| 17:29.48 | themill | XenReborn: What are you using? etch? lenny? |
| 17:29.50 | Wyzard | XenReborn: No, we understand exactly what you're talking about |
| 17:29.55 | XenReborn | ok |
| 17:30.01 | XenReborn | not sure which.. |
| 17:30.04 | abrotman | XenReborn: you insatlled mysql from source, and now you're trying to install something like php5-mysql and it's trying to pull mysql-common/mysql-client ? |
| 17:30.06 | themill | XenReborn: the question you are asking has no answer.... please give us some more information. |
| 17:30.08 | XenReborn | how do i get it print build info again ? |
| 17:30.14 | Wyzard | XenReborn: The straightforward answer is to use equivs to make and install an empty mysql package, so that apt will consider the dependency satisfied and not try to install the real package |
| 17:30.23 | XenReborn | ahhh |
| 17:30.24 | XenReborn | ok :) |
| 17:30.30 | abrotman | i said equivs! |
| 17:30.36 | Wyzard | XenReborn: The more general advice is, avoid installing non-packaged stuff |
| 17:30.38 | abrotman | looks to see if he's invisible |
| 17:30.39 | XenReborn | what doc should i look at ? |
| 17:30.52 | XenReborn | for building a dummy package ? |
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| 17:31.09 | Wyzard | XenReborn: look at the factoid from dpkg that abrotman mentioned a minute ago |
| 17:31.12 | themill | XenReborn: either use equivs or since you are probably using etch, look for things on backports.org. You rarely need to compile things yourself... |
| 17:31.25 | themill | XenReborn: /msg dpkg equivs /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 17:31.47 | XenReborn | oh yes abrotman |
| 17:31.49 | XenReborn | you were correct |
| 17:32.40 | Wyzard | wonders if there's a dpkg factoid for "reasons why one should stick with packages rather than building things from source" |
| 17:32.46 | sdschulze | Multimedia keys stopped working, too. |
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| 17:33.41 | aztec105 | running lenny usin testing for repositories after my last update default website is not accessible unless I use my proxy server, I cannot see any error logs in apache,squid or bind to point to what is going on any ideas ? |
| 17:35.08 | twobitwork | aztec105: is it accessible locally? |
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| 17:35.56 | aztec105 | twobitwork: while directly on the server itself or the internal network ? |
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| 17:36.16 | twobitwork | aztec105: |
| 17:36.31 | twobitwork | aztec105: er,... I meant from i.e. localhost... |
| 17:36.33 | Haris1 | guys!! |
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| 17:36.36 | aztec105 | twobitwork: via the internal network the only way it comes up is if I use the proxy server, or if I use the server IP address |
| 17:36.38 | Haris1 | I'm amazed! |
| 17:36.50 | Haris1 | the fresh install of etch r3 also!! has the same problem |
| 17:36.56 | twobitwork | aztec105: it works with IP, but not with hostname? |
| 17:36.57 | Haris1 | with random tcp connection failure |
| 17:37.02 | aztec105 | twobitwork: using the IP address itself of the server I can access it without the proxy |
| 17:37.12 | Haris1 | *smacks* forehead |
| 17:37.12 | \amethyst | aztec105: what does host www.debian.org say? |
| 17:37.19 | Haris1 | How can this be?!?! |
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| 17:37.29 | aztec105 | twobitwork: Virtual servers are not affected this way though only the default server |
| 17:37.31 | twobitwork | aztec105: sounds like a DNS issue |
| 17:37.54 | \amethyst | oh |
| 17:38.07 | sonli | ciao a tutti |
| 17:38.07 | sonli | !list |
| 17:38.07 | twobitwork | aztec105: are your virtual servers on their own domain? |
| 17:38.08 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to sonli |
| 17:38.11 | \amethyst | I misunderstood the problem, I thought you meant outgoing connections |
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| 17:38.30 | aztec105 | twobitwork: sub domains |
| 17:38.52 | Haris1 | Anyway to troubleshoot this problem? |
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| 17:39.23 | twobitwork | aztec105: as in subdomain1.mysites.com, subdomain2.mysite.com ... and mysite.com doesn't work? |
| 17:39.41 | aztec105 | twobitwork: IE default server is aztecweb.info, virtuals are myspace.aztecweb.info |
| 17:39.43 | twobitwork | ok |
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| 17:40.05 | \amethyst | aztec105: http://aztecmenu.info/ gives me a page |
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| 17:40.23 | \amethyst | aztec105: with a site menu and a picture of a dragon |
| 17:40.30 | \amethyst | err |
| 17:40.36 | twobitwork | \amethyst: not me... I get server not found... |
| 17:40.36 | \amethyst | http://aztecweb.info/ |
| 17:40.39 | Agiofws | any one know what debian is missing ? |
| 17:40.41 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.42 | Agiofws | ImportError: No module named wx |
| 17:40.42 | Agiofws | \ |
| 17:40.58 | twobitwork | Agiofws: I assume you're talking about python? |
| 17:41.05 | Agiofws | exactlly |
| 17:41.10 | Agiofws | pythin script |
| 17:41.13 | aztec105 | yes it works outside the network just not internally unless I use the proxy server or the IP address |
| 17:41.39 | aztec105 | hmmm did not try public IP though hold on |
| 17:41.45 | twobitwork | Agiofws: try installing python-wxgtk2.6 |
| 17:41.59 | ponyofdeath | hi, whats the proper way of using sudo over ssh hostname "sudo command"? when it prompts me for my password it shows up as clear text? |
| 17:42.06 | Haris1 | Has anyone observed/had the problem I'm getting? |
| 17:42.06 | aztec105 | ok works with public IP |
| 17:42.09 | twobitwork | aztec105: is apache binding to a certain interface or address? |
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| 17:42.17 | aztec105 | yes |
| 17:42.20 | \amethyst | aztec105: are you using name-based virtual hosting? |
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| 17:42.56 | aztec105 | \amethyst: by name based meaning ? |
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| 17:43.07 | twobitwork | ponyofdeath: let me see if I can parse your gibberish. You are ssh'ing into a system, then running sudo, and the password you type is being echoed to screen? |
| 17:43.20 | \amethyst | aztec105: NameVirtualHost in the apache config |
| 17:43.28 | ponyofdeath | twobitwork: yes sorry english is not my native lang |
| 17:43.29 | aztec105 | \amethyst: yes |
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| 17:43.51 | \amethyst | aztec105: what does /etc/apache2/ports.conf say? (pastebin it) |
| 17:44.01 | aztec105 | hold on |
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| 17:44.15 | \amethyst | Unless it's just Listen 80 Listen 443 (that's the default) |
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| 17:44.28 | twobitwork | ponyofdeath: that is strange... ssh shouldn't echo anything locally, and sudo should echo anything at all... |
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| 17:44.45 | dustybin | how does your average home router DHCP server remember MAC addresses assigned to IPs if the power goes off? |
| 17:45.06 | \amethyst | ponyofdeath: does ssh -t fix it? |
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| 17:45.08 | twobitwork | dustybin: some kind of persistant storage, like flash or something |
| 17:45.10 | Agiofws | maybe its burned into the chip ? |
| 17:45.24 | dustybin | hm ok |
| 17:45.30 | Ward1983 | how can i find out if IR is working/recognised? |
| 17:45.39 | abrotman | beam me up scotty? |
| 17:45.53 | Ward1983 | i mean both irda and consumer IR |
| 17:46.16 | Agiofws | check it with a cell phone cam or a digital cam |
| 17:46.28 | Ward1983 | Agiofws, dunno how to enable |
| 17:46.29 | Agiofws | you will see noise on the digital screen |
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| 17:47.00 | abrotman | Agiofws: your cell phone has InfraRed ? |
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| 17:47.10 | Ward1983 | abrotman, most have |
| 17:47.14 | Agiofws | no |
| 17:47.14 | ponyofdeath | \amethyst: that seems to have worked |
| 17:47.15 | abrotman | cell phones? |
| 17:47.17 | \amethyst | Agiofws: I used that when my Wii lightbar cable broke, to verify that my splice was working |
| 17:47.20 | Ward1983 | abrotman, yes |
| 17:47.20 | abrotman | i think you mean bluetooth |
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| 17:47.35 | unsolo__ | how do i add a special init script (drbd) to be run at bootime |
| 17:47.40 | Agiofws | i said LOOK at the IF trasmitter with a digital cam |
| 17:47.41 | benjamindees | Haris1, can you remind us what your problem is again? |
| 17:47.44 | abrotman | !tell unsolo__ about run at startup |
| 17:47.46 | mavhc | my phone is IR and BT |
| 17:47.51 | Ward1983 | Agiofws, im not sure how you mean |
| 17:47.53 | Agiofws | unix_infidel, rc.local |
| 17:48.01 | \amethyst | ponyofdeath: by default ssh doesn't set up a remote terminal if you give it a command to run (like "sudo whatever") |
| 17:48.07 | Agiofws | point the cam to the IF transmitter |
| 17:48.08 | Ward1983 | Airbottle, wich "digital screen" |
| 17:48.31 | \amethyst | ponyofdeath: -t forces it to allocate the remote terminal regardless, which means sudo can do terminal control thinks like disabling echo |
| 17:48.35 | Ward1983 | Agiofws, aaaaaaaah lol you mean just look if the IR LED emits trough a camera |
| 17:48.37 | \amethyst | things |
| 17:48.46 | Ward1983 | Agiofws, but how can i attempt to send IR ? |
| 17:48.46 | Agiofws | exactly |
| 17:48.50 | ponyofdeath | \amethyst: thanks! |
| 17:48.51 | \amethyst | Ward1983: yup, digitial cameras can pick up near-IR |
| 17:49.02 | Agiofws | load the right modules ? |
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| 17:49.14 | Ward1983 | \amethyst, i know but i was hoping for better ways |
| 17:49.23 | aztec105 | \amethyst: appears to be default although IP it is set to listen on is specified, not set to wild card |
| 17:49.31 | Ward1983 | Agiofws, i mean what software |
| 17:49.50 | twobitwork | aztec105: that would explain why you only see it from the certain address |
| 17:49.54 | \amethyst | aztec105: oh? and which IP is it set to listen on? |
| 17:49.54 | Agiofws | Ward1983, s/w depends on the chipset |
| 17:50.09 | Agiofws | Ward1983, don;t know |
| 17:50.12 | Ward1983 | Agiofws, aha so first step is to find out the chipset :) will do |
| 17:50.18 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.21 | Agiofws | yes |
| 17:50.38 | Ward1983 | yep first find out what chipset, then load the right modules, then look for software to emit IR |
| 17:50.40 | Agiofws | find right chiset 2) load right modules 3) load right front end |
| 17:50.41 | aztec105 | \amethyst: the internal private, should I wild card that ? |
| 17:50.47 | Ward1983 | loool |
| 17:51.11 | Agiofws | lspci -v? |
| 17:51.16 | Ward1983 | Agiofws, thenax will do *boots PDA* |
| 17:51.24 | Agiofws | *boots PDA*? |
| 17:51.29 | Ward1983 | lol yep |
| 17:51.38 | \amethyst | aztec105: hm... inside your network, what does the hostname resolve to? the external address presumably? |
| 17:51.47 | Ward1983 | Agiofws, debian runs on my pda :D |
| 17:51.55 | Ward1983 | (ARM though) |
| 17:51.59 | twobitwork | Ward1983: which model? |
| 17:52.00 | Agiofws | cool |
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| 17:52.02 | unsolo__ | anyone here familiar with gfs2 ? |
| 17:52.21 | twobitwork | Ward1983: (I'm currently in the market for a PDA...) |
| 17:52.31 | Ward1983 | twobitwork, pocket loox 720, but many can run linux (allthough the pocket loox 720 is the nicest PDA ever imo) |
| 17:52.57 | aztec105 | \amethyst: yes |
| 17:53.07 | Ward1983 | twobitwork, i would recommend buying a good second hand pocket loox 720 or similar specs |
| 17:53.26 | \amethyst | aztec105: do the subdomains resolve to the same IP address? |
| 17:53.28 | Ward1983 | twobitwork, the thing has 128MB RAM lol and a 520Mhz XScale |
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| 17:53.53 | lon01 | buenas alguno habla español |
| 17:54.07 | aztec105 | \amethyst: no they resolve to the internal IP |
| 17:54.13 | \amethyst | aztec105: ah |
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| 17:54.22 | DeadFishMan | !es |
| 17:54.22 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:54.27 | \amethyst | aztec105: your NAT/router/firewall needs reconfigured. |
| 17:54.36 | twobitwork | Ward1983: yeah, I was just looking at it... looks nice |
| 17:54.49 | aztec105 | \amethyst: so it would appear something is going on in resolve.conf ? |
| 17:54.56 | twobitwork | Ward1983: and everything works in linux? (except for IR, obviously :P) |
| 17:55.08 | \amethyst | aztec105: well, that depends |
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| 17:55.19 | Ward1983 | twobitwork, anyway its best to start with some reading, a good place to start is handhelds.org |
| 17:55.30 | testx | hi |
| 17:55.34 | Ward1983 | twobitwork, touchscreen, wifi, bluetooth, u name it :p |
| 17:55.40 | \amethyst | aztec105: it sounds like, when an internal machine accesses aztecweb's remote IP, the router isn't properly forwarding/NATting the packets back inside the network |
| 17:55.42 | testx | I have a ibook g3 |
| 17:55.47 | twobitwork | Ward1983: yeah, I've been reading a bit... just wanted your personal opinion :) |
| 17:56.09 | \amethyst | aztec105: subdomains work because they resolve to the internal address |
| 17:56.13 | Ward1983 | twobitwork, in my personal opinion the loox is by far the best XScale PDA |
| 17:56.18 | Ward1983 | (the 720 that is) |
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| 17:56.23 | testx | and my X sais that FBIOPUT_VSCREEN: Invalid argument |
| 17:56.31 | testx | how can I fix? |
| 17:56.33 | aztec105 | \amethyst: I did see an issue indicateding default server name could not be determined using aztecweb.info instead on a system restart |
| 17:56.52 | Ward1983 | twobitwork, for info on linux on the loox you can start here: www.undcon.com/forum |
| 17:57.14 | \amethyst | aztec105: what is the hostname? |
| 17:57.14 | Ward1983 | twobitwork, moest of the work is allready done :) but if you want to use EABI you need to compile your own kernel for now |
| 17:58.29 | benjamindees | that's odd; cups doesn't seem to allow root to print by default |
| 17:58.37 | Ward1983 | lol |
| 17:58.44 | Ward1983 | thats funny |
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| 17:59.33 | twobitwork | benjamindees: root should be doing anything other than running daemons |
| 17:59.54 | twobitwork | shouldn't* |
| 17:59.57 | benjamindees | twobitwork, and configuring printers... |
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| 18:00.28 | abrotman | configuring isn't printing ? |
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| 18:01.46 | benjamindees | configuring is testing; and when testing fails with some retarded message like "client-error-not-possible", it's not obvious that the problem is that you're the superuser |
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| 18:02.08 | twobitwork | benjamindees: that is a confusing error |
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| 18:02.30 | twobitwork | but I somehow never knew that root couldn't print, and I've set up several printers... |
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| 18:03.33 | twobitwork | probably because you can log into the cups web interface as root without running your browser as root |
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| 18:04.35 | aztec105 | \amethyst: aztecweb.info |
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| 18:04.57 | twobitwork | aztec105: works for me |
| 18:05.38 | aztec105 | twobitwork: not an issue externally just internally |
| 18:05.42 | ponyofdeath | ok i am trying to do this sudo -u username echo "something" > /home/username/blah but its creating that file as being owned by root and not my user im sudoing as. |
| 18:05.48 | twobitwork | aztec105: a hit about design though... the text is the same color as the dragon, makes it hard to read |
| 18:06.08 | aztec105 | twobitwork: WIP |
| 18:06.19 | twobitwork | ponyofdeath: the > is interpreted by bash... sudo doesn't see the > |
| 18:06.51 | \amethyst | ponyofdeath: sudo -u username sh -c 'echo "something" > /home/username/blah' |
| 18:06.58 | twobitwork | ponyofdeath: bash is running 'sudo -u whoever echo "something"' as a command, and directing the output of that command to the file |
| 18:06.59 | \amethyst | ponyofdeath: that way the whole shell runs under sudo |
| 18:07.00 | ponyofdeath | \amethyst: thank ou! |
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| 18:08.09 | twobitwork | \amethyst: ever heard the aphorism about teaching a man to fish? :P |
| 18:08.48 | sChaaa | hola |
| 18:08.56 | \amethyst | twobitwork: I would have explained the problem if you hadn't done so already |
| 18:08.57 | Eulex | twobitwork, we try to use it in practice it as much as possible in here. |
| 18:09.09 | twobitwork | \amethyst: ahh, ok :) |
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| 18:09.17 | ``y7 | learning to fish is so difficult though :) |
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| 18:09.25 | zinx | twobitwork: teach a man to fish and he'll live until the fish run out. |
| 18:09.29 | twobitwork | ``y7: I know, it's a hard life, huh? |
| 18:09.36 | ``y7 | indeed |
| 18:10.27 | twobitwork | sChaaa: howdy |
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| 18:11.19 | aztec105 | \amethyst: resatarting apache "Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using aztecweb.info for ServerName" |
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| 18:11.51 | twobitwork | aztec105: can it successfully reverse DNS its IP? |
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| 18:12.29 | cesar_CR | anybody had probles upgrading Amarok en etch ?? |
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| 18:12.52 | cesar_CR | problems |
| 18:12.53 | twobitwork | cesar_CR: not here, but you can check the BTS |
| 18:12.53 | \amethyst | aztec105: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/httpd-users/200611.mbox/%3COFE08748ED.BA841730-ON88257236.00701707-88257236.00702E7A@cob.org%3E |
| 18:13.17 | benjamindees | so can anyone verify that root should not be able to print using cups by default (in etch)? I could've sworn this worked a few weeks ago. |
| 18:13.29 | rgr | could anyone suggest why all embedded flash videos in icewesel start with a loud static buzz? This was a recent happening. Any ideas what might cause it? After the initial buzz the sound is fine. |
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| 18:14.07 | twobitwork | rgr: could be speakers warming up, or problem with the sound driver... or just a plain old crappy soundcard |
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| 18:14.34 | themill | benjamindees: works for me |
| 18:14.36 | twobitwork | rgr: does it happen when you play any other media? |
| 18:14.38 | aztec105 | \amethyst: server can't find 101.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa.: NXDOMAIN |
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| 18:14.50 | benjamindees | themill, lp tells me "quota limit reached" |
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| 18:14.54 | sandman | Is backports.org an official debian thing? |
| 18:15.04 | \amethyst | aztec105: oh, it's trying to reverse lookup your internal IP, which won't work |
| 18:15.09 | themill | !tell sandman abou bpo |
| 18:15.12 | themill | !tell sandman about bpo |
| 18:15.15 | benjamindees | sandman, yes now it is official |
| 18:15.25 | themill | benjamindees: well.... ish |
| 18:15.35 | \amethyst | aztec105: you'll need to add the ServerName directive *outside* the vhosts |
| 18:15.44 | tiver_tam | !tell tiver_tam about bpo |
| 18:15.49 | aztec105 | \amethyst: that is what I asked it to look up |
| 18:15.55 | \amethyst | huh? |
| 18:16.08 | \amethyst | I was thinking ServerName aztecweb.info |
| 18:16.17 | sandman | I assume backports are not security-updated? |
| 18:16.19 | twobitwork | !tell tiver_tam about msg |
| 18:16.23 | rgr | twobitwork: thats a lot of could bes. Its not the amp or the speakers. Nothing else causes it. And it only started happening recently following some updates. No idea which though. |
| 18:16.38 | rgr | Its only with flash |
| 18:16.48 | themill | sandman: not in the same was as stable is, no. |
| 18:16.48 | msan | Is there a way to determine what is the current kernel I have booted off of ? I do not mean using 'uname -r'. What I want to do is determine what the filename is for the kernel I have booted into which by convention is /boot/vmlinuz-`uname -r`. What if someone gives it another filename ? |
| 18:16.52 | benjamindees | sandman, not reliably |
| 18:17.05 | \amethyst | msan: who says it's on the filesystem? |
| 18:17.17 | sandman | So if I wanted to use backports in a server environment, I'd better sign up to the related security mailing lists and be ready to do my own patching if something comes up? |
| 18:17.30 | twobitwork | rgr: hey, I'm just some guy on IRC, I don't give any warranty about the usefulness of my statements :) |
| 18:17.37 | Wyzard | msan: You can't AFAIK, not with certainty |
| 18:17.38 | \amethyst | msan: you might have booted off a CD-ROM with root=/dev/hda1 |
| 18:17.41 | sandman | As would normally be done in a server environment if you, say, compiled something from source |
| 18:18.08 | Wyzard | or loaded the kernel over the network with PXE |
| 18:18.28 | aztec105 | \amethyst: doin a reverse on public IP it resolves 222.18.112.207.in-addr.arpaname = aztecweb.info. |
| 18:18.43 | msan | \amethyst: true and thanks. I now have what I need. |
| 18:18.44 | zrin | what shall I use for Core 2 Quad Server - amd64? or ia64? |
| 18:18.54 | simonrvn | amd64 |
| 18:18.58 | Wyzard | zrin: amd64 (and i386 is supported too) |
| 18:19.00 | zrin | thank you |
| 18:19.04 | Wyzard | zrin: ia64 is Itanium |
| 18:19.09 | twobitwork | zrin: ia64 is something completely different |
| 18:19.09 | zrin | ic |
| 18:19.30 | \amethyst | aztec105: yes. that's what's happening, but the easiest way to fix it is to use ServerName aztecweb.info so it doesn't even try doing the reverse lookup |
| 18:19.47 | twobitwork | but debian really should move to using 'x86_64' instead of 'amd64' for terminology... |
| 18:19.57 | \amethyst | twobitwork: why? |
| 18:20.07 | \amethyst | twobitwork: then shouldn't we use x86 instead of i386? |
| 18:20.16 | \amethyst | or x86_32 or such |
| 18:20.23 | Wyzard | to avoid confusion, because people don't realize Intel implements AMD64 |
| 18:20.36 | \amethyst | People realize non-Intel implements i386 |
| 18:20.36 | twobitwork | Wyzard: <-- what he said |
| 18:20.51 | Wyzard | I had someone tell me a few days ago that I'm stupid for using the "AMD-optimized" amd64 kernel on my Core 2 Duo |
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| 18:21.19 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:21.23 | abrotman | Wyzard: gentoo user eh ? :) |
| 18:21.38 | Wyzard | Clueless people see "amd64" and assume it's AMD only... whereas clueless people see "i386" and don't even realize the 'i' stands for Intel |
| 18:21.44 | Wyzard | abrotman: no, it was here in #debian |
| 18:22.05 | benjamindees | just tell them that intel copied AMD's architecture when itanic sunk... |
| 18:22.05 | twobitwork | Wyzard: so it was an ubuntu user then :P |
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| 18:22.20 | twobitwork | benjamindees: hey now, HP still uses ia64! :P |
| 18:22.24 | benjamindees | and I remember that; I almost pointed it out but that person was an idiot. |
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| 18:22.57 | halflife08 | hello folks, what is the cleanest way to increase the number of loop devices. i am using testing. do i just create a file say /etc/modprobe.d/loop and add the lines options loop max_loop=64 |
| 18:23.11 | abrotman | Wyzard: oh .. i think i was here for that |
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| 18:23.40 | Wyzard | You might've been... it was a few days ago, fairly late, and I was asking a question about iowait |
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| 18:25.54 | benjamindees | it would be nice to be able to print a test page in different size paper |
| 18:26.37 | dondelelcaro | halflife08: that's one way; you could also put it on your kernel command line |
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| 18:30.14 | halflife08 | dondelelcaro: aah okay. would the grub options be carried over when new revisions of the kernel are there in the tree ? |
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| 18:31.53 | xingu | halflife08: if they're added to defoptions... |
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| 18:32.15 | halflife08 | xingu: hmmn okay. i guess it is time to rtfm defoptions . thank you |
| 18:32.23 | halflife08 | dondelelcaro: thank you |
| 18:33.49 | nse | does the debian documentation has something about setting up a web server for hosting a site? |
| 18:33.54 | benjamindees | so, is testing going to be frozen soon? |
| 18:34.21 | Wyzard | benjamindees: not for a few more months at least |
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| 18:35.23 | xingu | watches texlive suck up his bandwidth |
| 18:35.23 | freaka_ | are there kde4 packages on apt yet? |
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| 18:35.23 | nse | I am asking that because human help is always better for sensitive information |
| 18:35.24 | xingu | you know, in a decade or so I have never needed to use TeX directly; but it's been a dep on every system I've ever built |
| 18:35.39 | halflife08 | nse: are you looking for a how to setup apache on debian ? |
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| 18:35.44 | xingu | one of these days I'm going to get off my slack arse and build a ghost package for it |
| 18:35.52 | Wyzard | xingu: I can see a few tex packages being dependencies, but not all of texlive |
| 18:35.58 | themill | !tell freaka_ about kde4 |
| 18:36.42 | Pfloyd_w | hey, what do you guys think about Solaris? |
| 18:36.45 | freaka_ | man thats bullshit |
| 18:36.50 | freaka_ | Solaris |
| 18:36.51 | nse | halflife08: I am very new to it. I don't even know what apache is. But I want to work hard |
| 18:36.56 | freaka_ | I think I'll rather install that |
| 18:36.58 | freaka_ | I have the kit |
| 18:37.19 | freaka_ | I mean making excuses not to have kde4 but then making us use kde3 is unacceptable bull fucking shit |
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| 18:37.30 | xingu | Wyzard: info->texinfo->${boom} is my guess from a microsecond peek |
| 18:38.18 | Wyzard | xingu: texinfo doesn't depend on anything but libc6 (though it suggests some texlive stuff) |
| 18:38.23 | halflife08 | nse: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Apache-Overview-HOWTO.html start with that . |
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| 18:38.36 | xingu | Wyzard: mmm, just unpicking it now while I think about it. |
| 18:38.45 | benjamindees | nse, if you want to work hard, try some other distro :p |
| 18:38.55 | halflife08 | nse: it is an old document but it is a good start. |
| 18:39.14 | Wyzard | xingu: Mark all the texlive stuff for removal in aptitude and see what it says is broken |
| 18:39.16 | nse | benjamindees: :) |
| 18:39.44 | Wyzard | xingu: You may find it was just a recommends somewhere |
| 18:39.45 | Pfloyd_w | I love debian it's the only OS I've ever read a book on |
| 18:39.59 | Pfloyd_w | but someone i know is trying to get my to use Solaris for one of my 4 machines |
| 18:40.23 | abrotman | Pfloyd_w: it's a pretty good OS, but offtopic here .. |
| 18:40.49 | nse | halflife08: I am learning some bash, how to use VI, and I wish to read the Debian Reference and the Debian Securing manual. is that important for now? |
| 18:41.17 | halflife08 | nse: after you are done with howto on apache overview, then you read http://wiki.debian.org/Apache |
| 18:41.40 | benjamindees | securing debian is good but dear god learning vi is a complete waste... |
| 18:41.53 | abrotman | !vi tutorial |
| 18:41.53 | dpkg | well, vi tutorial is at: <http://www.dina.dk/~abraham/religion/vi-tutorial.html or http://bignosebird.com/docs/vi.shtml or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 18:41.54 | benjamindees | !nano |
| 18:41.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nano is at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9, or for old koreans |
| 18:41.56 | expose | What to use for taking still pictures from v4l2 webcam? (commandline or qt/kde preferred) |
| 18:42.12 | dondelelcaro | you should know at least basic vi commands, and pick an editor to master. |
| 18:42.29 | nse | benjamindees: Are you trying to tell me that nano is a way muuuch better than VI? |
| 18:42.37 | nse | halflife08: and what about the manuals I said? |
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| 18:42.53 | xingu | starts by pruning texlive-lang-* |
| 18:43.05 | halflife08 | nse: yes those manuals are quite helpful. |
| 18:43.21 | Pfloyd_w | abrotman solaris is? |
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| 18:43.26 | benjamindees | !start an editor war |
| 18:43.26 | dpkg | vim sucks |
| 18:43.29 | Pfloyd_w | ok thanks |
| 18:43.36 | halflife08 | nse: http://www.tldp.org/guides.html also has good reference material |
| 18:43.39 | benjamindees | see, dpkg agrees |
| 18:43.52 | unsolo__ | !network |
| 18:43.52 | dpkg | This refers to a group of interconnected computers. The computers must be capable of transferring data to form a true network--you can't just weld a bunch of computers together. |
| 18:43.57 | abrotman | Pfloyd_w: yes |
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| 18:44.04 | unsolo__ | !interfaces |
| 18:44.04 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 18:44.37 | nse | dondelelcaro: do you have an editor of your preference? |
| 18:44.42 | dondelelcaro | nse: I personally use emasc |
| 18:44.48 | dondelelcaro | s/sc/cs/ |
| 18:45.12 | abrotman | !tell unsolo__ about msg the bot |
| 18:45.21 | nse | Fine. I'll do my way now |
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| 18:46.03 | Pfloyd_w | this channel is huge |
| 18:46.24 | Pfloyd_w | I've never been on a channel with this many people |
| 18:46.25 | abrotman | just wait, i'll get smaller |
| 18:46.29 | abrotman | it'll |
| 18:46.41 | twobitwork | abrotman: whew, good catch |
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| 18:47.22 | abrotman | fat chance i'll get smaller |
| 18:47.54 | \amethyst | wouldn't that be a thin chance? |
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| 18:48.25 | hoxu[dag1] | Pfloyd_w, welcome to irc :P |
| 18:48.43 | Pfloyd_w | I've been on Undernet my whole irc life |
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| 18:48.48 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 18:50.31 | xingu | Wyzard: docbook-utils -> jadetex -> ${boom} |
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| 18:50.38 | dazjorz | Hey there |
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| 18:50.58 | dazjorz | I'm trying to compile Apache 2.2 on a freshly installed x86_64 box, and it's telling me: |
| 18:51.07 | dazjorz | checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 18:51.19 | chops | dazjorz: Why are you compiling it by hand? |
| 18:51.23 | xingu | Wyzard: kernel-package -> docbook-utils -> jadetex -> ${boom}, there you go. |
| 18:51.27 | dazjorz | there's nothing interesting in config.log, no errors, just that it doesn't know the processor type (because it is a xen box) |
| 18:51.28 | unsolo__ | dazjorz: ouch |
| 18:51.36 | dazjorz | chops: because I apply patches to it |
| 18:51.37 | abrotman | !b-e daz |
| 18:51.37 | dpkg | daz: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 18:51.39 | abrotman | !b-e dazjorz |
| 18:51.39 | dpkg | dazjorz: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 18:51.48 | dazjorz | Did that, abrotman |
| 18:51.52 | Wyzard | xingu: kernel-package doesn't depend on docbook-utils, only suggests it |
| 18:51.58 | abrotman | dazjorz: you sure about that? |
| 18:52.00 | dazjorz | Yes |
| 18:52.07 | Wyzard | xingu: I don't have docbook-utils installed |
| 18:52.07 | dazjorz | I can compile the program int main() { return 0; } // just fine |
| 18:52.09 | abrotman | ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [cb819dec] 'on' |
| 18:52.14 | abrotman | what the hell is cb819dec ? |
| 18:52.17 | xingu | Wyzard: fair do, re-enummerating |
| 18:52.43 | unsolo__ | question : I renamed the eth1 to eth0 and vice versa in udev then chaged my interfaces to reflect starting eth0 instead of eth1 and rebooted. |
| 18:52.49 | unsolo__ | that should suffice right |
| 18:52.49 | Wyzard | abrotman: a cooling device, evidently :-P |
| 18:53.00 | abrotman | Wyzard: yeah .. except google has never heard of it |
| 18:53.09 | xingu | abrotman: around my way, white rum + lime on the rocks |
| 18:53.17 | abrotman | smacks xingu |
| 18:53.18 | Wyzard | abrotman: My guess would be that the number is something specific to your system |
| 18:53.26 | unsolo__ | btw where can i write a debian wiki page ? |
| 18:53.27 | abrotman | Wyzard: except i can't find any reference to it |
| 18:53.30 | abrotman | !wiki |
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| 18:53.33 | Wyzard | yeah, I dunno |
| 18:53.33 | abrotman | !debwiki |
| 18:53.36 | abrotman | forget it |
| 18:53.39 | abrotman | wiki.debian.org |
| 18:53.41 | sdschulze | My .xsession-errors says: "** (gnome-settings-daemon:17042): WARNING **: /usr/lib/libSM.so.6: undefined symbol: IceGetPeerName". What does that mean? |
| 18:53.45 | unsolo__ | thanks abrotman |
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| 18:54.01 | unsolo__ | going to write one for drbd + gfs2 + cman |
| 18:54.04 | abrotman | Wyzard: and cooling seems important |
| 18:54.05 | sdschulze | Google isn't too expressive about it. |
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| 18:54.17 | abrotman | unsolo__: you don't need that wiki for that .. you can just write it up and send it to the debian-user mailing list |
| 18:54.31 | Wyzard | abrotman: Do you have any fans that aren't working? |
| 18:54.43 | Wyzard | abrotman: It could just be a quick of the ACPI tables in your BIOS |
| 18:54.47 | Wyzard | *quirk |
| 18:54.47 | abrotman | Wyzard: i don't think so .. |
| 18:54.54 | abrotman | Wyzard: it is a compaq .. so probably :) |
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| 18:55.28 | dazjorz | so... any ideas? |
| 18:55.29 | dazjorz | anything I can try? |
| 18:55.42 | dazjorz | Why does configure say compilation fails, if it works for me, in the first place? |
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| 18:56.05 | azeem | dazjorz: check config.log |
| 18:56.26 | Wyzard | dazjorz: config.log should show you what it actually tried to compile |
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| 18:56.35 | dazjorz | Well it doesn't, that's the odd thing |
| 18:56.40 | dazjorz | I'll pastebin the top of config.log |
| 18:56.45 | pll | Is there a way to have dpkg log via syslog? |
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| 18:56.54 | halflife08 | sdschulze: you are probably missing a library that is references IceGeTPeerName |
| 18:57.07 | halflife08 | sdschulze:what distribution are you using ? |
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| 18:57.10 | Wyzard | dazjorz: The end of the file would be where it failed |
| 18:57.17 | pll | All I can find on dpkg logging is /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg can define a single file as a log... |
| 18:57.17 | unsolo__ | abrotman: hmm i can do it wiki form that way i can modify it as i go along |
| 18:57.25 | abrotman | unsolo__: make your own! |
| 18:57.28 | unsolo__ | since its lenny stuff i mean.. |
| 18:57.44 | xingu | huzzah! ding dong the TeX is DEAD |
| 18:57.47 | unsolo__ | so im not allowed to add a wiki page ? |
| 18:58.15 | abrotman | i have no idea .. |
| 18:58.15 | xingu | that's another gazillion bits I'll never have to download again |
| 18:58.25 | sdschulze | halflife08: a testing/unstable mix; I've just upgraded and GNOME is now semi-broken |
| 18:58.33 | unsolo__ | abrotman: i thought the filosofi on wiki was to allow anyone to edit. |
| 18:58.44 | abrotman | philosophy |
| 18:58.46 | sdschulze | But there is no newer version for libsm6. |
| 18:58.47 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 18:58.50 | abrotman | i didn't even get it right |
| 18:58.57 | abrotman | wait .. |
| 18:59.03 | abrotman | goes back to yelling at acpi |
| 18:59.32 | sdschulze | neither for libice6 |
| 19:00.02 | halflife08 | sdschulze: look at that bug reports http://www.debian.org/Bugs |
| 19:00.15 | dazjorz | Wyzard: / azeem: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=2811 |
| 19:00.26 | unsolo__ | abrotman: its a pita word ;) |
| 19:00.30 | azeem | dazjorz: I said *you* check config.log |
| 19:00.38 | unsolo__ | i can create my personal page at wiki.debian.org |
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| 19:00.48 | dazjorz | azeem: Obviously, I failed to check config.log and come with a good solution |
| 19:01.03 | abrotman | i guess i did spell it right |
| 19:01.10 | dazjorz | azeem: I'm not the kind of guy that sees something is wrong, then comes here to whine, I look after it |
| 19:01.12 | Wyzard | dazjorz: Why are you compiling Apache when it's packaged? |
| 19:01.15 | dazjorz | azeem: and as you see, I haven't figured it out |
| 19:01.19 | dazjorz | Wyzard: because I've got patches for it |
| 19:01.31 | azeem | dazjorz: did you even search it for "compiler cannot creat"? |
| 19:01.54 | dazjorz | azeem: I have, and it does not contain anything like that |
| 19:02.06 | dazjorz | The only thing that says anything about an error is the last line |
| 19:02.07 | dazjorz | configure: exit 1 |
| 19:02.09 | azeem | dazjorz: then maybe it's a different config.log, search the build tree for others |
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| 19:03.11 | dazjorz | azeem: |
| 19:03.11 | dazjorz | # ls */config.log |
| 19:03.12 | dazjorz | ls: */config.log: No such file or directory |
| 19:03.31 | azeem | search, not list |
| 19:03.34 | azeem | dazjorz: man find |
| 19:03.38 | Wyzard | dazjorz: find . -name config.log |
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| 19:04.10 | khaleel5000 | hi , i have just installed debian etch rc 3 via single cd, so just base system install, please give me a link to a mirror that I may add in my source list ( i know about apt-spy but i dont even have that, gotta get that from net too) |
| 19:04.16 | sdschulze | halflife08: doesn't seem to be reported |
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| 19:04.44 | venger | is there anyway i easily get the version level info for foo package, but as for each debian release? |
| 19:04.55 | dazjorz | ah... got it! ./srclib/apr/config.log |
| 19:04.58 | pll | Is there a way to have dpkg log via syslog? |
| 19:05.01 | dazjorz | thanks Wyzard! :) |
| 19:05.09 | khaleel5000 | just name a repository , so i can add others |
| 19:05.11 | halflife08 | khaleel5000: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 19:05.13 | squidly | I just did an update for a system to etch and now when I go over ssh things like top and ps hang the terminal |
| 19:05.36 | pll | squidly: have you tried using -t ? |
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| 19:05.53 | abrotman | pll: /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 19:05.55 | squidly | pll: yes |
| 19:05.58 | khaleel5000 | halflife08, sorry not mirror, a repository , a link to repository |
| 19:06.05 | pll | abrotman: that's not syslog. |
| 19:06.07 | squidly | well it hangs with ps top and other things like that |
| 19:06.19 | squidly | I'm also having it hang with ifconfig |
| 19:06.21 | pll | that file is specified in /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg |
| 19:06.21 | abrotman | pll: i'm aware of that .. i thought you just wanted a log .. anytwhere |
| 19:06.32 | abrotman | so why not just point it at syslog ? |
| 19:06.36 | pll | No, I want dpkg to log via syslog. |
| 19:06.37 | abrotman | is kidding |
| 19:06.53 | dazjorz | http://paster.dazjorz.com/?p=2812 |
| 19:06.57 | dazjorz | conftest.c:11: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype |
| 19:06.58 | dazjorz | Hmm... |
| 19:07.13 | dazjorz | That bare ; doesn't seem correct, but I'm not sure if C allows that |
| 19:07.22 | halflife08 | khaleel5000: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main . change that to the mirror that is close to you |
| 19:07.27 | pll | I'm trying to get my lab systems to send all syslog data to centralized syslog server. I could do it with syslog-ng and have it read the local files and forward, but I really don't want to have to reconfig 400+ systems. |
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| 19:07.48 | khaleel5000 | halflife08, thanks |
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| 19:08.11 | dazjorz | but... that does compile |
| 19:08.30 | pll | abrotman: how do I point dpkg.cfg at syslog. The docs for that file are less than helpful. |
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| 19:08.49 | pll | Is it as simple as 'log syslog' ? |
| 19:08.56 | halflife08 | sdschulze: sorry can't help ya more. you can try reading http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting and file a bug |
| 19:09.07 | abrotman | pll: i really doubt it |
| 19:09.10 | pll | Or do I need to do something fancy and have it pipe through logger ? |
| 19:09.11 | Wyzard | dazjorz: Note the options that configure is using: gcc -Wall -Werror -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes -O3 |
| 19:09.24 | Wyzard | dazjorz: My guess is that -Wall warns about it, and it's fatal due to -Werror |
| 19:09.26 | pll | Can that argument take a script as a value? |
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| 19:09.43 | dazjorz | Wyzard: Yeah, was just going to try what happens with these arguments without the ; |
| 19:09.46 | sdschulze | halflife08: OK |
| 19:09.53 | abrotman | pll: uhm .. use logger i guess |
| 19:10.19 | pll | I suppose I could create a named pipe that dpkg writes to, and that something else reads from and passes to logger, or something really ugly like that.... |
| 19:10.24 | sam_uk | I need to make a fileserver I would like to be able to connect to it as fast as possible. I am considering gigabit ethernet. Would it also be possible to connect a laptop to a server using esata? or can you only connect to drives with esata? |
| 19:10.29 | Wyzard | dazjorz: though if configure is just trying to check whether the compiler works, I don't see why it'd attempt to compile something with that extraneous semicolon |
| 19:10.32 | pll | Grr, anything that logs should be able use syslog. |
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| 19:11.51 | dazjorz | okay, off to #gnu |
| 19:11.52 | dazjorz | # echo "int main() {return 0;}" | gcc -Wall -Werror -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes -O3 -x "c" - |
| 19:11.54 | abrotman | pll: so use logger to do that |
| 19:11.55 | dazjorz | cc1: warnings being treated as errors |
| 19:11.58 | dazjorz | <stdin>:1: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype |
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| 19:12.19 | sam_uk | does my question make sense? |
| 19:12.21 | pll | abrotman: because that's a) broken, b) painful and c) broken and painful. |
| 19:12.42 | abrotman | d) better than what you've got now? :) |
| 19:12.55 | pll | I suppose.... |
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| 19:14.41 | Wyzard | dazjorz: echo "int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {return 0;}" | gcc -Wall -Werror -Wmissing-prototypes -Wstrict-prototypes -O3 -x "c" - |
| 19:14.49 | Wyzard | dazjorz: Properly declaring the arguments of main() makes it work |
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| 19:15.09 | Wyzard | dazjorz: This might be a case of a newer GCC version being more stringent about such things |
| 19:16.02 | Wyzard | (I'm speculating, but I know that recent versions of GCC are more picky about various correctness issues; I just don't know about this one in particular) |
| 19:16.05 | dazjorz | Wyzard: version 4.1.2 ? |
| 19:16.16 | Wyzard | dazjorz: I'm using 4.2.3, the version in sid |
| 19:16.25 | dazjorz | Wyzard: Mine is from etch |
| 19:17.04 | Wyzard | dazjorz: well, the one in etch behaves the same way; I just checked |
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| 19:17.27 | Wyzard | dazjorz: warns if the parameters of main() are omitted, but compiles successfully if they're provided |
| 19:18.00 | dazjorz | Wyzard: So... if Apache seems to rely on gcc not caring about the arguments... what do I do? |
| 19:18.17 | dazjorz | Wyzard: hmm, wait, maybe reconfiguring configure, if it's fixed in autoconf now? |
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| 19:19.04 | unsolo__ | I need help i cant get eth0 to start on bootup |
| 19:19.25 | unsolo__ | after changing eth1 to eth0 and modifying interfaces what else is there |
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| 19:19.58 | Wyzard | dazjorz: I'd look through the GCC documentation to see if there's some option to make it be less picky |
| 19:20.14 | Wyzard | dazjorz: and/or search the web and Apache mailing lists: surely someone else has encountered this before |
| 19:20.22 | benjamindees | unsolo__, man interfaces |
| 19:20.39 | unsolo__ | maybe auto eth0 helps |
| 19:20.40 | benjamindees | unsolo__, er, nevermind, driver? |
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| 19:20.49 | unsolo__ | drivers work |
| 19:20.58 | unsolo__ | dhclient eth0 brings it back up |
| 19:21.02 | benjamindees | yeah auto eth0 |
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| 19:21.14 | unsolo__ | but there was no auto eth1 after the install |
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| 19:21.37 | Mobius_thought | can anyone help me to bridge LAN ports under Debian 4 please? |
| 19:21.45 | unsolo__ | but eth1 worked.. |
| 19:21.47 | unsolo__ | odd that is |
| 19:22.21 | Pfloyd_w | If I install a Debian DVD, will it auto-update to the latest version? |
| 19:22.25 | dazjorz | Wyzard: I don't see anything... :/ |
| 19:22.26 | DawnLight | Mobius_thought: it is easy |
| 19:22.45 | Pfloyd_w | I forgot how i got etch installed last time |
| 19:22.56 | unsolo__ | benjamindees: auto didnt do it either.. |
| 19:23.01 | Pfloyd_w | been a while since i've had debian on any of my machines |
| 19:23.02 | unsolo__ | going to look deeper this time |
| 19:23.07 | Mobius_thought | DawnLight- good to hear :) I assume it's just a package I don't have.. We haven't outlived the usefullness of crossover cables, have we? |
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| 19:23.29 | dondelelcaro | Mobius_thought: they're pretty much useless on modern networks |
| 19:23.43 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: Actually, gigabit cards (and some 100mbit cards) can do crossover internally, so you don't need crossover cables |
| 19:23.44 | dondelelcaro | (all of the modern specs are auto-sensing) |
| 19:23.59 | Mobius_thought | are they? Well I want to put my server in a room with only one cable coming in, and already has a computer there |
| 19:24.11 | dondelelcaro | Mobius_thought: so you'll need a switch in that room |
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| 19:24.17 | DawnLight | Mobius_thought: bridge-utils is the package. check the good docs it installs |
| 19:24.17 | Mobius_thought | So I'm hoping to just carry through the server, and out the other side to the workstation... |
| 19:24.21 | benjamindees | Mobius_thought, apt-get install bridge-utils |
| 19:24.29 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: or, alternately, you should *only* use crossover cables, because those'll work with newer stuff that does autosensing, *and* the legacy case of connecting two machines with old NICs and no switch |
| 19:24.48 | Mobius_thought | but it's not gigabit.. it's the crappiest cheaperst 10/100 card I could find at Frye's |
| 19:24.58 | simonrvn | my apt preferences files seems ok, but i keep getting this warning whenever aptitude finishes loading up: "No priority (or zero) specified for pin", for each entry in the file. what is this warning, and how do i stop it? |
| 19:25.11 | simonrvn | pasting prefs file to pastebin, sec |
| 19:25.16 | zww | Hi fellow debian users. I am starting to use etch in a production enviroment and I am looking for a mysql cluster solution. I never did mysql clustering before and only know replication. Can someone give me some info on wich packages/software I can use best on an etch system? |
| 19:25.27 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: What about the one on the other end? |
| 19:25.36 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: If either of the two cards is auto-sensing, you don't need a crossover cable |
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| 19:26.17 | simonrvn | http://paste.debian.net/1868/ |
| 19:26.18 | Mobius_thought | alright, installing now |
| 19:26.49 | Mobius_thought | Wyward- the other side of the crossover would be an internal 10/100 running XP, the mobo is an early 64bit |
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| 19:27.13 | Mobius_thought | when was autosensing becoming more common? |
| 19:27.29 | Mobius_thought | but I've already bought the crossover |
| 19:27.40 | Mobius_thought | so it's a moot point... direct connect WILL work with a crossover, right? |
| 19:27.50 | squidly | has anyone ever had an issue where something sshing in to a box, running ps ax causes the shell to lockup |
| 19:28.04 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: Yes, that's what they're for |
| 19:28.14 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: and if you're buying pre-made cables, you're probably wasting your money |
| 19:28.46 | Mobius_thought | Wyzard- just wanted to make sure.. Crossfire tech adapted before I had occassion to use IT... ;) |
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| 19:29.05 | Mobius_thought | Wyzard- yeah, I'm sure, but I go to cablewholesale, they're dirt cheap |
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| 19:29.28 | torgrimt | Mobius_thought: most modern cards can auto cross aswell |
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| 19:29.37 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: how long is your crossover cable, and how much did it cost? |
| 19:29.49 | Wyzard | (I'm curious how cheap "dirt cheap" is for pre-made cables) |
| 19:30.27 | torgrimt | bah. copying 320gb and it only goes with 8mb/sek |
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| 19:30.30 | torgrimt | takes forever |
| 19:30.31 | jim | I started playing with ruby the other day... now it's come time to do a little more with it, but I need its gem... there is a gem packaged in debian, is that the ruby gem? |
| 19:30.48 | Mobius_thought | 7 foot 1.21 |
| 19:31.11 | Mobius_thought | or when I log in to my wholesale account, it drops to 0.91 |
| 19:31.14 | Mobius_thought | can't beat them |
| 19:31.39 | Wyzard | OK, wholesale price... that's not bad |
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| 19:31.54 | Mobius_thought | right? it's not worth the 10 minutes it would take me to make ti |
| 19:31.58 | Wyzard | People go to stores and pay $30 for a 10-foot cable |
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| 19:32.23 | xingu | Mobius_thought: auto-crossover is _mandatory_ for 802.3ab; and all you need is bridge-utils |
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| 19:32.27 | Mobius_thought | www.cablewholesale.com they only do cables but like I say, it's dirt cheap |
| 19:32.28 | dazjorz | Wyzard: Any hints? If I edit configure, that'll be overwritten by automake / autoconf, right? |
| 19:32.34 | dazjorz | Wyzard: So what *do* I edit, if anythin? |
| 19:32.37 | dazjorz | anything* |
| 19:32.40 | Mobius_thought | so back to the topic... will bridge-utils auto-start, then? |
| 19:32.43 | xingu | Mobius_thought: if you read its README it'll give you a config fragment for interfaces(5) |
| 19:32.54 | simonrvn | so... any insight on my warning message question? |
| 19:33.27 | abrotman | that looks pretty normal |
| 19:34.06 | unsolo__ | grr |
| 19:34.10 | Mobius_thought | where can I find the README for bridge-utils? I just used synaptic, so.. |
| 19:34.28 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: There's a readme in /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils IIRC |
| 19:34.36 | unsolo__ | seems it doent want to start the interface at boot time |
| 19:34.38 | Mobius_thought | thank you |
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| 19:34.41 | simonrvn | well, i also pin on an etch box, and don't get such warnings |
| 19:34.44 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: It documents how you set up a bridge in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:34.53 | unsolo__ | either that or it starts dhclient prior to udev renaming of the device |
| 19:35.04 | simonrvn | i'm thinking something funky is going on with libapt |
| 19:35.21 | Wyzard | dazjorz: You could install gcc-3.3 and run configure with CC=gcc-3.3 |
| 19:35.25 | arcsky | which is the good bug websites for ubuntu? |
| 19:35.31 | simonrvn | checks bts |
| 19:35.50 | Wyzard | arcsky: #ubuntu |
| 19:36.04 | arcsky | ah sorry yeah wrong channel |
| 19:36.24 | arcsky | new with irssi |
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| 19:37.33 | Mobius_thought | arcsky- you on 8? I'm not a huge fan, but 7 was a big improvement |
| 19:38.04 | dazjorz | Wyzard: hmm... that sucks, but I'll probably have to do that indeed |
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| 19:38.33 | Wyzard | dazjorz: You could also take a look at the Debian source package for apache and see how that gets built |
| 19:38.53 | arcsky | Mobius_thought: on 8 ? |
| 19:39.16 | arcsky | ah yeah |
| 19:39.31 | Wyzard | dazjorz: The apache2 source package doesn't build-depend on gcc-3.3, so presumably it manages to build with 4.x somehow |
| 19:39.37 | zww | Hi. I am looking for a good mysql cluster product, I only have experience with replication. Can some of you experts point me to a good direction to build something alike between two debian etch systems? |
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| 19:40.20 | dazjorz | Wyzard: Are the build instructions available somewhere? |
| 19:40.24 | abrotman | simonrvn: no bugs filed? |
| 19:40.52 | dazjorz | gets the source packages |
| 19:40.52 | Wyzard | dazjorz: Create an empty directory, cd to it, and "apt-get source apache2" |
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| 19:41.09 | Wyzard | dazjorz: assuming you have deb-src lines in your sources.list |
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| 19:41.15 | dazjorz | just did that, Wyzard :) |
| 19:41.17 | Mobius_thought | arcsky- any huge differences? I'll stick with Debian myself (It just doesn't get any more stable, IMO), but I have clients that love the cutting edge stuff |
| 19:41.29 | dazjorz | is debian/rules the file I need, Wyzard? |
| 19:41.33 | Wyzard | dazjorz: yeah |
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| 19:41.39 | squidly | quick apt-question if use stable that is like getting me etch right? |
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| 19:41.41 | x0rg62 | ouCH! |
| 19:41.42 | arcsky | Mobius_thought: 8.04 is stable for me |
| 19:41.48 | Wyzard | squidly: correct |
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| 19:42.08 | squidly | Wyzard: ok thanks |
| 19:42.16 | format_c | zww, have a look at http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/04/20/advanced-mysql-replication.html |
| 19:42.16 | unop | squidly, that's as long as etch is the stable branch. |
| 19:42.31 | Wyzard | arcsky: 8.04 includes a beta version of Firefox and has known conflicts between certain high-profile programs trying to play sound |
| 19:42.47 | squidly | unop: what do you mean by that? |
| 19:42.47 | Wyzard | arcsky: Ubuntu's definition of "stable" is not quite as rigorous as Debian's :-) |
| 19:42.53 | format_c | or search for "mysql master slave" or "mysql replication" |
| 19:43.03 | xXploit | Hi, im trying to figure out how to create a new mode in the fb.modes file for fbset(for settings the frambuffer). Anyone know how I could get the values needed. My fb is currently using 1280x1024-75, but I'd like to setup 1680x1050 at 60hz. |
| 19:43.11 | Mobius_thought | Wyzard- EXACTLY! LOL |
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| 19:44.02 | arcsky | Wyzard: I love firefox 3 |
| 19:44.14 | arcsky | Wyzard: works super good |
| 19:44.17 | sam_uk | is there a way to get ethernet over firewire running without re-compling kernel? are there any images anywhere? |
| 19:44.21 | zww | format_c: thanks. |
| 19:44.22 | dazjorz | Wyzard: hmm... $CCFLAGS which had -Wstrict-prototypes and -Werror, was in my environment |
| 19:44.28 | dazjorz | Wyzard: from the moment I unset it, the problem was gone |
| 19:44.35 | simonrvn | abrotman: yeh: 213718, but not that relevant |
| 19:44.37 | Mobius_thought | quick question, the bridge-utils txts are showing me CLI commands, like brctl, with parameters addbr and addif.. my concern is that does not sound very permanent, is that actually going to stay across resets? |
| 19:44.41 | simonrvn | @dbugs 213718 |
| 19:44.41 | Wyzard | arcsky: I haven't tried it (I use Epiphany, even on my Ubuntu systems) but I have several friends who have, and they all say it blows |
| 19:44.48 | ravenbird | DONE:#213718:N[] apt apt-utils: ignores existing /etc/apt/preferences; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:35:44 UTC |
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| 19:44.51 | Wyzard | dazjorz: ah :-) |
| 19:45.11 | format_c | I informed mysql some time ago about this topic. But have never build such a constellation. |
| 19:45.18 | benjamindees | Mobius_thought, no; and it didn't work for me to try to add them to /etc/network/interfaces; I had to create a custom init script |
| 19:45.31 | simonrvn | Wyzard: "blows" how? |
| 19:45.53 | Wyzard | simonrvn: dunno specifically |
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| 19:46.12 | simonrvn | don't touch beta5 and you're good ;) |
| 19:46.18 | Mobius_thought | benjamin- I know this is gonna lazy, but any chance you'd just email your script to me, so I could just adapt a working script? |
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| 19:46.38 | Wyzard | simonrvn: Well, the point was that Ubuntu's current "stable" release includes that aforementioned beta 5 |
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| 19:46.59 | Mobius_thought | I looked at the README and the HOWTO, neither is much help |
| 19:47.02 | simonrvn | i'd uninstall that and install ff3b4 manually |
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| 19:47.10 | simonrvn | b5 is borked |
| 19:47.31 | Wyzard | simonrvn: which also has a high-profile problem that on some systems makes Firefox always default to "offline" mode even when the machine is actually online (actually a NetworkManager bug, misreporting the online status) |
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| 19:47.31 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 19:47.53 | simonrvn | Wyzard: ah, that's why. i have NM installed here, and didn't have it on the other hdd |
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| 19:48.23 | Wyzard | simonrvn: I've never used FF3 so I have no opinion on it; I'm just criticizing Canonical for putting buggy stuff into a long-term-supported release just to meet an arbitrary deadline :-) |
| 19:48.36 | Gorbulas | I am trying to experiment with SELinux and Lenny on my iBook G4, but when I enable SELinux I get lots of errors during boot up and when I log in |
| 19:48.46 | Gorbulas | if I enable enforcing I cannot log in at all |
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| 19:49.19 | Mobius_thought | yep yep yep... especially considering they're one of the best supported distros, financially.. seem an awfully "windows" thing to do, set a deadline, and push an inferior product to meet it |
| 19:49.20 | simonrvn | Wyzard: indeed. and i don't think that's the first time either |
| 19:49.22 | Gorbulas | is SELinux different for PPC or am I just following bad instructions? |
| 19:49.32 | format_c | just take "targeted" mode to figure out essential access privileges |
| 19:49.35 | simonrvn | Gorbulas: no it's not |
| 19:49.37 | Mobius_thought | but hey if they were REALLY as bad as MS, they'd delay it 3 times THEN release an inferior product ;) |
| 19:49.57 | Gorbulas | the instructions I was following made it sound so easy :) |
| 19:49.57 | simonrvn | selinux is just a pos |
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| 19:50.43 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: Speaking of MS, SP3 is released today... I'd been waiting on that (so I can slipstream it) before building a new gaming box |
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| 19:51.21 | Mobius_thought | SP3? for what? I thought Vista only had 1 released |
| 19:51.25 | Wyzard | for XP |
| 19:51.28 | Wyzard | I'm not touching Vista |
| 19:51.28 | Mobius_thought | ah |
| 19:51.42 | simonrvn | sp3's been out for a (little) while.. |
| 19:51.47 | Mobius_thought | I know.. I have to, for testing reasons :P |
| 19:52.16 | catsup | how does one search the apt cache on the Tag: field? |
| 19:52.18 | Mobius_thought | Ain't that a @$%^... gaming's the only reason I keep MS around, too... Cedega sounded so good, but you lose ping time, if not FPS |
| 19:52.23 | Wyzard | simonrvn: There's been a release candidate available for a few months, but the final release is today |
| 19:52.29 | simonrvn | ah ok |
| 19:52.40 | simonrvn | catsup: use debtags? :) |
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| 19:53.29 | catsup | oh cool |
| 19:53.34 | Mobius_thought | Hopefully the Open MOHAA people will get their butts in gear.. that's my game, when they have a native linux version, I'm done |
| 19:53.37 | simonrvn | has a nice yet unusual ui |
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| 19:53.48 | catsup | does that actually search the tag field of the apt cache? the entry suggests it downloads a separate db |
| 19:53.57 | catsup | (not that it matters to me... just curious) |
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| 19:54.01 | simonrvn | it works though.. i couldn't think of anything better than what it has |
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| 19:54.16 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: I've tried out Cedega and been quite unimpressed with it |
| 19:54.24 | simonrvn | they're auto-updated if you run aptitude |
| 19:54.49 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: Unless it's made *huge* improvements in the past year or two, I wouldn't really consider it viable for gaming, except for maybe a certain few games that are well-supported |
| 19:54.58 | Gorbulas | Cedega seems to be missing a lot of things Wine has |
| 19:55.02 | catsup | so it is a separate db? |
| 19:55.10 | simonrvn | i get the impression cedega is just a for-pay of wine, with little/no improvements made |
| 19:55.27 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: I tried out three or four games with it and all had major problems |
| 19:55.37 | simonrvn | catsup: yeh, but one that's updated from Packages files, so it's always ok |
| 19:55.40 | Mobius_thought | It is... makes me glad I didn't pay for it.. I MIGHT have, if it worked as advertised.. but still, given that the Wine/WineX aren't happy with them, I still wonder if they're not trying to get rich off someone else's work |
| 19:56.01 | mimcpher | simonrvn: mainly you're paying for their database of settings nessicary for playing with games, I think. I got a trial but didn't notice significant improvements over wine, other than ease of use. |
| 19:56.10 | simonrvn | Mobius_thought: i'm sure they are |
| 19:56.15 | Mobius_thought | Wyzard- I had a few work fine.. Madden 07, MOHAA base worked, but I had to hack the crap out of the expansions to get anything, and that was laggy |
| 19:56.51 | Gorbulas | the part you pay for is copy protection support |
| 19:56.56 | Mobius_thought | simonrvn- they gotta be, right? why else is it "free with paid subscription" ? if it was legit, they could just charge for the software, or at least the support |
| 19:57.24 | Wyzard | Mobius_thought: The ones I tried: Morrowind was unplayably choppy, Total Annihilation had horrible palette problems (it's a 256-color game), Starcraft had some problem I don't remember, and I didn't even bother trying Oni after I read that it wouldn't work unless I blocked it from being able to open /dev/dsp |
| 19:57.47 | Gorbulas | try Wine instead |
| 19:57.52 | Wyzard | That was two years ago though; maybe I should give wine another try |
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| 19:58.06 | simonrvn | well, it would be pointless to charge for the code and/or build, since you can just install wine. the business model is ok, but the "bang for the buck" factor isn't there |
| 19:58.11 | Wyzard | though setting up wine feels dirty, like installing a little Windows in my home directory |
| 19:58.25 | Mobius_thought | LOL but Wine is not an emulator! |
| 19:58.26 | simonrvn | Wyzard: it does feel dirty |
| 19:58.45 | peleg | I have bad issues with both wput and lftp. I can connect easily, but I can almost do nothing; it just works extremely slow. look here for wput output: http://pastebin.com/m6235e005 and here for lftp output: http://pastebin.com/maf1efe0 . it stuck whenever I try to upload a file, or even to do ls (in lftp). sometimes it succeeds, but after a very long time. important to add: the same ftp address works great if I use FileZilla. a |
| 19:58.46 | simonrvn | i play linux games ;) |
| 19:58.49 | Mobius_thought | It's better than REALLY having Windows... or would be, if it was actually a viable alternative *sigh* |
| 19:58.49 | quieteyes | Wyzard: wine is not dirty, only the programs that it has to graft into the OS are. ;-) |
| 19:58.59 | peleg | the issues occur for 2 days now. |
| 19:59.29 | Wyzard | simonrvn: so do I, but things like Oblivion and SimCity 4 are too fun to not play just because of the OS they're built on :-) |
| 19:59.37 | catsup | peleg: active vs passive ? |
| 19:59.40 | simonrvn | peleg: without looking at your pastebin, i'd say either NSS lookups were timing out, or your DNS is scrwed up |
| 20:00.02 | mimcpher | Wine is so close to being good. Too bad they're chasing a moving target. |
| 20:00.05 | simonrvn | could be active/passive issue too |
| 20:00.24 | simonrvn | latest wine in sid works rather well, tbf |
| 20:00.26 | quieteyes | frankly, if they can get the Windows XP portion of wine fleshed out, why bother with Vista? |
| 20:00.30 | twobitwork | hmm... why does wireshark tell me there are no interfaces on which capture can be done? |
| 20:00.38 | quieteyes | so many people are sticking with XP... |
| 20:00.39 | simonrvn | quieteyes: for sure |
| 20:00.41 | peleg | catsup: in lftp I tried both (I think). in wput I am not sure how to do that. Filezilla uses passive |
| 20:00.45 | Gorbulas | twobitwork: are you root? |
| 20:00.45 | twobitwork | is there a kernel module I need to load or something? |
| 20:00.55 | twobitwork | Gorbulas: wireshark tells me I shouldn't run it as root :P |
| 20:00.59 | twobitwork | but I'll try |
| 20:01.01 | peleg | simonrvn: what do you mean by NSS lookups? |
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| 20:01.08 | simonrvn | twobitwork: specify an iface? |
| 20:01.14 | Mobius_thought | you know what I always wondered... what if you really maxed out your system, started with like Gentoo, for example, and put wine on top of that? maybe that would solve some of the glitchiness/choppiness, just by STARTING so much faster a system in the first place? |
| 20:01.23 | Gorbulas | twobitwork: there's some permissions thing you might need to do. I don't know how to run it without being root |
| 20:01.36 | twobitwork | Gorbulas: yeah, that worked.... |
| 20:01.44 | twobitwork | simonrvn: well, it complains when I open the window to do just that |
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| 20:01.45 | simonrvn | peleg: NSS == name service switch; it's what maps uidnumbers with uid names, for instance |
| 20:01.50 | peleg | catsup: what is the command to switch from passive to active and vice versa while in interactive interface in lftp ? |
| 20:02.07 | peleg | simonrvn: so how can I check that this is the problem, as you suggested? |
| 20:02.07 | simonrvn | peleg: type help while in lftp |
| 20:02.15 | peleg | simonrvn: ok, thanks |
| 20:02.19 | simonrvn | peleg: check the passive thing first |
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| 20:02.49 | catsup | peleg: duno, never used it |
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| 20:03.16 | peleg | simonrvn: it's probably set <option> <value> or so, but it's not detailed. |
| 20:03.25 | simonrvn | set it to passive, then try uploading |
| 20:04.18 | simonrvn | just "set passive" |
| 20:04.46 | Mobius_thought | while I'm fiddling around with my /etc/network/interfaces, trying to bridge them, is there a way to make changes take effect, short of restarting? |
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| 20:05.09 | catsup | Mobius_thought: ifup --force or ifdown then ifup |
| 20:05.13 | simonrvn | ifup/ifdown; /etc/init.d/networking foo |
| 20:05.22 | peleg | simonrvn: now it is on "set ftp:auto-passive-mode yes" |
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| 20:05.44 | aantn | hello |
| 20:05.59 | aantn | after a failed system update, is there a way of checking that everything is ok |
| 20:06.01 | simonrvn | olleh |
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| 20:06.12 | simonrvn | dpkg --audit |
| 20:06.12 | dpkg | wish i knew, simonrvn |
| 20:06.35 | aantn | simonrvn: is no output good news? |
| 20:06.39 | peleg | simonrvn: in passive mode, but still ls is stuck in `ls' at 0 [Making data connection...] |
| 20:06.44 | simonrvn | aantn: yes |
| 20:07.00 | aantn | thanks |
| 20:07.01 | simonrvn | you could also do dpkg --configure --pending (or -a) |
| 20:07.28 | peleg | did: set ftp:auto-passive-mode no .... still stuck in the same place. |
| 20:07.35 | simonrvn | peleg: is it trying to set up start_tls maybe? |
| 20:07.37 | xuser | how can I see from the system the info some .deb packages give during installation? |
| 20:07.48 | peleg | simonrvn: what is it? |
| 20:08.02 | simonrvn | nm :) |
| 20:08.14 | catsup | Mobius_thought: fyi there's a way of doing almost everything but upgrading the kernel, without restarting--even altering the root fs, if you're crazy |
| 20:08.21 | simonrvn | you answered my question with yours |
| 20:09.08 | peleg | simonrvn: as I said, wput has the same problems (but filezilla doesn't). maybe it's something relating to blocked ports, firewall, etc? |
| 20:09.43 | Mobius_thought | catsup- that's been my experience, as well, but the webpage I'm looking at tells me to restart, and since the second LAN port doesn't connect to the DHCP server, I expect to have to try it a few different ways to get it to work |
| 20:09.57 | catsup | Mobius_thought: web page written by a newb |
| 20:10.19 | catsup | there's a lot of that out there now |
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| 20:10.42 | Mobius_thought | ifdown /ifup are universal then? I don't need to "ifdown eth0" and "ifdown eth1" ? |
| 20:10.49 | simonrvn | xuser: you mean the blue screen stuff? that's debconf messages, not dpkg |
| 20:10.51 | simonrvn | ifdown -a |
| 20:10.54 | simonrvn | ifup -a |
| 20:10.59 | Mobius_thought | gotcha thanks |
| 20:11.51 | catsup | peleg: strace can tell you exactly what is hanging |
| 20:11.53 | simonrvn | peleg: check the filezilla settings, see what it has for PASSIVE mode, and what it does about it. then set one of those (wput, lftp) (or both) to the same/similar settings |
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| 20:12.32 | peleg | catsup: what is strace? |
| 20:12.35 | simonrvn | xuser: though dpkg does trigger debconf, due to package script magic |
| 20:12.54 | catsup | peleg: system call logger (package: strace) |
| 20:13.09 | peleg | catsup: thanks |
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| 20:13.31 | catsup | peleg: the way you use it, usually, is you have two xterms or whatever, you run strace -o strace.out <cmd> in one, and tail -f strace.out in the other |
| 20:13.34 | peleg | simonrvn: I checked; it has passive mode. what else should I check there? |
| 20:14.03 | peleg | catsup: xtrems ? |
| 20:14.39 | catsup | xterms, terminal emulators... |
| 20:15.12 | peleg | ok |
| 20:15.24 | simonrvn | peleg: set it up in ~/.lftp/rc or ~/.lftprc so i does it by default |
| 20:15.29 | catsup | if your program is an X program, you don't need two xterms |
| 20:15.36 | simonrvn | s, i, it, |
| 20:15.45 | catsup | and i'm guessing it is, if you don't knwo what an xterm is ;) |
| 20:15.56 | abrotman | set iit ? |
| 20:16.08 | abrotman | hides |
| 20:16.24 | simonrvn | meh so my RE sucked |
| 20:16.40 | simonrvn | !shoot my regexper |
| 20:16.40 | dpkg | blows my regexper away with a double-barreled shotgun |
| 20:17.22 | unsolo__ | so im setting up two mail servers in a cluster based on the http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ on lenny but i need to figure out what parts of the file systems can be shared amongst the nodes |
| 20:17.25 | simonrvn | send me a copy of that nice o'reilly perl book then ;p |
| 20:17.31 | simonrvn | j/k |
| 20:17.32 | unsolo__ | im thinking configuration files and all data |
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| 20:17.40 | peleg | simonrvn: both do not exist. should I create one? |
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| 20:18.15 | simonrvn | peleg: i'd pick ~/.lftp/rc since you probably have it already there ( ~/.lftp/ ) |
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| 20:18.52 | benjamindees | I'm under the impression that lpr -l ignores the printer's PPD file? |
| 20:19.15 | Ikarus | on DSAs, their package: line specifies the _source_ package that is affected, right ? |
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| 20:20.12 | simonrvn | Ikarus: i think so yes. double-checking... |
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| 20:20.50 | simonrvn | yeh, seems like it |
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| 20:21.48 | Ikarus | simonrvn: where did you read that that is the case ? |
| 20:21.53 | Ikarus | else I'll keep on asking |
| 20:21.55 | Ikarus | I need to be sure |
| 20:22.08 | simonrvn | reading several DSAs ;) |
| 20:22.16 | Ikarus | simonrvn: meh |
| 20:22.22 | Ikarus | that isn't very reliable :) |
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| 20:22.22 | peleg | simonrvn: still not working. cd works really good, but ls doesn't. |
| 20:22.33 | jim | !find ri |
| 20:22.54 | mmp | hello, I have a really weird problem here -- one remote server, which is after some recovery attempts booted, but its root filesystem is mounted read only (it's XFS) |
| 20:23.07 | mmp | weird enough mount -o remount,rw / doesn't work |
| 20:23.10 | simonrvn | peleg: hm, does filezilla show just numbers for the user name and group, or names? |
| 20:23.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ri' (8 of 57): (/etc/and.priorities) in misc/and ;; (/bin/setserial) in comm/setserial ;; (/etc/Muttprintrc) in mail/muttprint ;; (/etc/airstrikerc) in games/airstrike ;; (/etc/default/asterisk) in comm/asterisk ;; (/etc/R/repositories) in math/r-base-core ;; (/etc/dcmtk/printers.cfg) in science/dcmtk ;; (/etc/bayonne/driver.conf) in comm/bayonne. |
| 20:23.38 | simonrvn | jim: /msg the bot kthx |
| 20:23.48 | mmp | remounting just says: mount: / not mounted already, or bad option |
| 20:23.58 | jim | how do I get all 57 |
| 20:24.00 | peleg | simonrvn: where? |
| 20:24.11 | simonrvn | peleg: in the remote dir |
| 20:24.14 | mmp | ahh, now it works:) |
| 20:24.24 | simonrvn | jim: PDO |
| 20:24.43 | mmp | I just had to mount -o remount,rw /dev/hdzX / :) |
| 20:24.44 | peleg | numbers + names |
| 20:24.48 | peleg | simonrvn: ^^ |
| 20:25.02 | abrotman | jim: apt-file ? |
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| 20:26.49 | jim | anyways, I'm looking for ruby's doc reader called ri for ruby1.8 |
| 20:27.02 | simonrvn | it's there |
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| 20:27.10 | jim | what package name? |
| 20:27.16 | simonrvn | ri |
| 20:27.21 | jim | oh! |
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| 20:27.35 | abrotman | !find bin/ri$ etch |
| 20:28.03 | abrotman | !find bin/ri$ |
| 20:28.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/ri' (1): (/usr/bin/ri) in interpreters/ri. |
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| 20:28.58 | pipegeek | Anyone have any experience with trying to get SMART data from a raid controller? |
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| 20:29.41 | pipegeek | specifically, an adaptev 2820SA. smartctl is unable to do so, because it doesn't have direct access to the drives |
| 20:29.50 | abrotman | does smart work with sata? |
| 20:30.58 | pipegeek | in theory |
| 20:31.25 | simonrvn | peleg: do you have some "firewall" set up on your machine? |
| 20:31.28 | honkytonk_ | What is needed to get the bios setting "Power after AC loss = LAST STATE" to work? It works with "ALWAYS POWER ON" but not "LAST STATE". What APM/ACPI settings do I need? |
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| 20:31.40 | peleg | do you know of any "public" ftp server for tests, to see if it's not a problem only with this specific ftp server? |
| 20:31.40 | pipegeek | I'm currently wondering if the card is doing smart monitoring on its own, and if there's a vendor-specific way to query it for that information |
| 20:31.48 | peleg | simonrvn: not that I know. |
| 20:32.06 | pipegeek | but I suppose that's not a #debian question ~_^ |
| 20:32.25 | abrotman | pipegeek: check the adaptec website for controller tools |
| 20:32.40 | pipegeek | already there |
| 20:32.46 | edistar | how do I set the default gateway? |
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| 20:35.08 | Tramp | edistar: (1) man interfaces (2) route add default gw <IP> |
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| 20:35.17 | edistar | Tramp: thanks |
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| 20:36.01 | benjamindees | this is soo stupid; kspread prints fine in 11x17; kpdf doesn't |
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| 20:37.01 | vjoe | hey |
| 20:37.47 | aztec105 | twobitwork: if yer still here issue may have been flipping DNS cache |
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| 22:01.52 | ma3x | azeem: nothing |
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| 22:02.26 | azeem | ma3x: pastebin the output of mount |
| 22:02.55 | ma3x | http://paste.debian.net/1877/ |
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| 22:03.15 | azeem | ma3x: ok, so likely your DVD |
| 22:03.21 | azeem | nothing to panic about |
| 22:03.36 | themill | ma3x: are you running etch's 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 22:03.51 | ma3x | themill: no, 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 22:04.00 | H2OyJaBoN | hi ! |
| 22:04.02 | ma3x | azeem: but why does it do that when there is no disk inside |
| 22:04.14 | azeem | ma3x: I don't know, look in the source |
| 22:04.23 | themill | ma3x: ahh,.... interesting. normally these errors go away when moving to a newer kernel. But that's not going to help you. |
| 22:04.23 | ma3x | what source? |
| 22:04.31 | azeem | ma3x: kernel source |
| 22:04.48 | ma3x | look in the kernel source? im not skilled to do that |
| 22:04.53 | azeem | then don't bother? |
| 22:04.56 | azeem | 00:00 < azeem> nothing to panic about |
| 22:05.00 | ma3x | yeah ok |
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| 22:05.11 | H2OyJaBoN | somebody is using a Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 12) ethernet ? |
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| 22:05.26 | azeem | H2OyJaBoN: what's your real question concerning this? |
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| 22:05.59 | H2OyJaBoN | azeem, I have to know if it's supported on the lenny's(net install) kernel |
| 22:06.30 | azeem | H2OyJaBoN: why don't you just try to boot it and check? |
| 22:07.54 | H2OyJaBoN | azeem, I've done that.... and =( ..... i've used this ethernet on kubuntu (live) with sky2 module...... I want some advicve abput it if its posible =) |
| 22:08.00 | H2OyJaBoN | *about |
| 22:08.26 | azeem | H2OyJaBoN: so if you tried it, why do you ask whether somebody else tried? |
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| 22:09.06 | susanoo | anyone here using debian on ps3 ? |
| 22:09.09 | H2OyJaBoN | azeem, to know about posible problems |
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| 22:12.43 | sandman | Ack. debian backports lacks kqemumodules |
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| 22:13.25 | sandman | I wonder if this has anything to do with kvm |
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| 22:16.46 | killerchicken | Hi, I submitted a bug using bugreport, and I received an email. The bug does not show up online, though... May I have missed something? |
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| 22:17.25 | themill | sandman: they're easy enough to backport. (as is kvm). /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 22:18.56 | blusock | Hey, i have a problem with make. im trying to install ndiswrapper, but when i type in "make distclean", it tells me "Cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/build, is it configured?. Stop." I cd'ed to /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486, and there's no file named build anywhere. isnt something like this supposed to come with the install disk? I just installed Debian last night but i've been unable to connect to the internet. |
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| 22:20.02 | justin__ | does anyone know of a way of downgrading from sid to lenny? |
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| 22:20.13 | themill | !downgrade |
| 22:20.13 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 22:20.41 | themill | justin__: change your apt preferences and wait until all the packages you have installed move into lenny. |
| 22:21.31 | justin__ | will all of the packages move to lenny? |
| 22:21.47 | ctp_ | anyone here knows how to observe processes if they're running and start them if they're not? i need something like a watchdog. |
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| 22:22.10 | Gorbulas | ctp_: I use Monit for that |
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| 22:22.20 | themill | justin__: no... some are sufficiently buggy that they will not. But in general, yes, they all should. Or bugfixes to the ones you currently have should. |
| 22:22.31 | ctp_ | Gorbulas: ok, thx for hint ;-) |
| 22:22.38 | markybob | i just noticed that update-modules says that it shouldnt be used. what's it's replacement? :P |
| 22:22.38 | sandman | It would appear that kqemu is still marked as non-free, even though it was opensourced. |
| 22:22.58 | poseidon | How do I install gcc from a cd? |
| 22:23.24 | nevyn | poseidon: aptitude install gcc |
| 22:23.24 | themill | sandman: look harder. The version in etch *is* non-free; the versions in lenny/sid are in main. |
| 22:23.30 | justin__ | themill: ok thanks |
| 22:23.52 | poseidon | nevyn, will it automaticly detect that I'm offline and use the cd instead? |
| 22:24.03 | sandman | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kqemu&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all <== says non-free there |
| 22:24.20 | nevyn | poseidon: if you comment your online sources in /etc/apt/sources.list then yes |
| 22:24.38 | sandman | Some are non-free, some are main on the results page. |
| 22:24.40 | azeem | sandman: eh, 00:20 < themill> sandman: look harder. The version in etch *is* non-free; the versions in lenny/sid are in main. |
| 22:24.59 | poseidon | nevyn, comment them out with the "#" |
| 22:25.20 | nevyn | poseidon: sure. |
| 22:25.23 | sandman | I know it's free. I'm aware of what it's supposed to be =) |
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| 22:25.36 | azeem | sandman: so what's your point? |
| 22:25.39 | sandman | I'm just saying it says "[non-free]" in red lettering next to several of the packages. |
| 22:25.42 | nevyn | sandman: only the etch versions are marked non-free |
| 22:25.42 | themill | sandman: kqemu is not free in etch. Learn your history. |
| 22:25.50 | sandman | I'm aware it's not free in etch. |
| 22:25.56 | sandman | Jesus |
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| 22:25.58 | azeem | sandman: 00:23 < azeem> sandman: so what's your point? |
| 22:25.59 | themill | sandman: so what's your point? |
| 22:26.02 | sandman | Did any of you actually visit the link? |
| 22:26.06 | themill | yes |
| 22:26.09 | sandman | My point is, they're listed wrong @ the link I listed |
| 22:26.10 | nevyn | sandman: on the page you referenced it's free in sid and lenny |
| 22:26.12 | themill | sandman: did you read it? |
| 22:26.14 | azeem | sandman: what? |
| 22:26.25 | themill | sandman: specifically, which package is wrong? |
| 22:26.28 | nevyn | sandman: no they're not paste the line |
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| 22:27.02 | nevyn | the kernel-modules package for sid is still in non-free |
| 22:27.06 | sandman | Well, sid (unstable) (admin): QEMU Accelerator modules for Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 [non-free] |
| 22:27.16 | sandman | 2.6.18+1.3.0~pre9-4: i386 <== crap, sorry |
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| 22:27.27 | Gorbulas | for the old kernels |
| 22:27.32 | nevyn | but only for 2.6.18 |
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| 22:27.34 | sandman | But at any rate, that's just one of many sid lines where it's listed as non-free, when it's not. |
| 22:27.48 | nevyn | sandman: they're all for old kernels |
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| 22:27.50 | AwesomeGuy | I have openssh server installed, but I can't figure out how to set the welcome message that shows when you connect. Google didn't help |
| 22:27.56 | nevyn | the 2.6.24 packages are in main |
| 22:28.06 | sandman | nevyn: Okay, so they're just sitting in sid untouched, I see. |
| 22:28.08 | themill | sandman: the version of kqemu that is compatible with the old kernels is non-free. |
| 22:28.09 | sandman | That's all I was asking. |
| 22:28.13 | azeem | sandman: those 2.6.18 packages are stale and probably left over from the etch times |
| 22:28.15 | Gorbulas | AwesomeGuy: the motd? |
| 22:28.26 | AwesomeGuy | I guess the motd |
| 22:28.32 | Gorbulas | try /etc/issue or issues or something |
| 22:28.55 | adama | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:28.56 | sandman | azeem: I gotchya, I was just curious |
| 22:29.03 | sandman | You guys kinda exploded on me there, jeez =) |
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| 22:29.14 | azeem | sandman: you kinda made no sense at all |
| 22:29.29 | sandman | I said it said non-free next to sid lines =) And it does. That's all. |
| 22:29.40 | azeem | can you please drop it now |
| 22:30.10 | sandman | Sure, I didn't know it was that painful for you. |
| 22:30.41 | Riotblade | Hey, I'm having some difficulty generating 32 bit mysql libs to coexist with the 64 bit libs. Anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do? |
| 22:30.57 | AwesomeGuy | cool |
| 22:31.02 | nevyn | explaining things to people who don't read is always painful . |
| 22:31.21 | sandman | Heh, alright =) |
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| 22:32.55 | ceil420 | lol |
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| 22:33.12 | AwesomeGuy | how do I find out what my computers IP is? my laptop is 192.168.1.106 |
| 22:33.20 | sandman | ifconfig? |
| 22:33.23 | AwesomeGuy | netstat didn't show anything |
| 22:33.26 | sandman | Oh |
| 22:33.26 | ceil420 | i spent like 20mins looking through docs and probing mods 'n' whatnot hoping that my laser mouse would be read at least after starting X |
| 22:33.28 | AwesomeGuy | ill try that |
| 22:33.29 | Gorbulas | or ip addr show |
| 22:33.33 | ceil420 | all i had to do was plug it in ^^ |
| 22:33.52 | sandman | ceil420: USB? Is your xorg.conf points to /dev/input/mice? |
| 22:33.58 | sandman | pointing* rather |
| 22:33.59 | AwesomeGuy | cool I'm 192.168.1.100 |
| 22:34.14 | ceil420 | yeah sander__ |
| 22:34.17 | ceil420 | erm, sandman |
| 22:34.18 | sandman | I wonder if he has a default configured Linksys router... |
| 22:34.24 | ceil420 | (usually i'm not lazy about nick completion :x) |
| 22:34.32 | sandman | ceil420: Alright. And you don't have a custom-built kernel or anything? |
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| 22:34.53 | dustybin | what does the kernel source code look like? |
| 22:34.54 | ceil420 | sandman, no, but i did do modconf and install a few modules that weren't enabled by default |
| 22:34.58 | dustybin | is it easy to work out what does what? |
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| 22:34.59 | ceil420 | dustybin, C code |
| 22:35.12 | dustybin | ceil420: is it clearly labelled |
| 22:35.18 | ceil420 | it's as "easy" to work out as any C program with tens of thousands of lines of code |
| 22:35.21 | bluevapour | Hey guys im having this problem with my debian 4 installation, the details are the same |
| 22:35.22 | bluevapour | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=598717 |
| 22:35.28 | bluevapour | have a look and please get back to me asap |
| 22:35.28 | ceil420 | bluevapour, #ubuntu |
| 22:35.33 | ceil420 | oh wait |
| 22:35.39 | ceil420 | nm, sorry |
| 22:35.43 | dustybin | ceil420: does torvalds leave some funny remarks in the kernel sourcecode? |
| 22:35.54 | ceil420 | dustybin, there are multiple developers. some leave handy comments, some don't |
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| 22:36.03 | dustybin | ok |
| 22:36.16 | ceil420 | dustybin, i've found some cool comments in there, but i don't think any were written by Torvalds himself |
| 22:36.25 | dustybin | i bet they were! |
| 22:36.38 | ceil420 | "[Someone] wrote this portably, Torvalds fucked it up ;-)", etc :p |
| 22:36.47 | dustybin | LOL |
| 22:36.54 | bluevapour | Anyone know if my problem is a kernel problem |
| 22:36.59 | ceil420 | there are a couple of Sun-hating comments in there :p |
| 22:37.05 | dustybin | haha excellent |
| 22:37.18 | dustybin | one day ill examine the kernel source code |
| 22:37.59 | sandman | dustybin: Someday. |
| 22:38.04 | sandman | dustybin: Why wait |
| 22:38.40 | dustybin | sandman: im at work! |
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| 22:38.57 | ceil420 | dustybin, i downloaded the latest version once and grep'd for various words (mostly swear words) |
| 22:39.00 | ceil420 | some cool stuff in there :p |
| 22:39.03 | bluevapour | guys how can i find out a list of irqs |
| 22:39.11 | dustybin | LOL |
| 22:39.19 | ceil420 | and i just remembered... i forgot to back up my copy of the linux kernel v 0.01 :( |
| 22:39.34 | ceil420 | bluevapour, google probably has one or two |
| 22:39.48 | bluevapour | Ciel could you check my problem oout |
| 22:39.54 | bluevapour | i think it may be a conflict with nvidia |
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| 22:41.23 | wuxia_ | My default resolution is 1920x1200; I ran a prog that full screened at 800x600; without restarting X, how do I switch back to 1920x1200 ? |
| 22:41.36 | ceil420 | bluevapour, i don't know. my friend's network did the same thing on Windows XP |
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| 22:41.52 | abrotman | watches grub throw up |
| 22:41.53 | markybob | wuxia_ ctrl+alt++ |
| 22:41.59 | markybob | right? i think |
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| 22:42.02 | wuxia_ | didn't work |
| 22:42.02 | bluevapour | Yeah i remember talking to you thed other day |
| 22:42.06 | wuxia_ | but xrandr workd :-) |
| 22:42.15 | ceil420 | markybob, that's like a cheap zoom function |
| 22:42.38 | abrotman | throws beer at markybob |
| 22:42.51 | bluevapour | Is it possible for nvidia to interfere with my eth0 |
| 22:42.51 | markybob | abrotman gracias :) |
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| 22:43.03 | bluevapour | Because it seems ok without nvidia installed |
| 22:43.03 | dondelelcaro | bluevapour: possible, but unlikely. |
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| 22:43.50 | abrotman | well that was weird |
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| 22:44.01 | rhineheart_m | in bad request like https I'm getting https://server.domain.com:port... why not only https://domain.com:port? |
| 22:44.15 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to prevent ordinary users from mounting hard disk drives ? |
| 22:44.24 | bluevapour | Hmm |
| 22:44.39 | bluevapour | This is a real pain, the computer works fine at the moment without closed source nvidia |
| 22:44.40 | ceil420 | Jemt, i think that's an fstab option |
| 22:44.43 | bluevapour | But wont work with |
| 22:45.13 | markybob | bluevapour is it an nforce card? |
| 22:45.22 | bluevapour | nvidia 7600gt |
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| 22:46.00 | markybob | bluevapour the open nv driver doesnt work well for you? |
| 22:46.12 | bluevapour | Ahh with that, i had a load of issues |
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| 22:46.28 | bluevapour | Closed was a case of download, chmod 777, sh nvidiainstaller |
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| 22:46.31 | bluevapour | Was alot easier |
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| 22:46.48 | bluevapour | nv doesnt do dri |
| 22:47.01 | themill | bluevapour: nvidiainstaller doesn't do package management |
| 22:47.36 | bluevapour | The nvidiainstaller i downloaded did everything for me |
| 22:47.45 | bluevapour | Ofc apart from the kernel source problem |
| 22:47.54 | Jemt | Ok, thanks, ceil420 |
| 22:48.07 | ceil420 | np |
| 22:48.36 | themill | bluevapour: just remember to fix up your nvidia installation every time you have an xorg update. |
| 22:48.55 | bluevapour | Yeah |
| 22:49.13 | bluevapour | To be fair, i know this sounds very closed minded, but if i cant fix this lan problem i wont be on linux long |
| 22:49.27 | bluevapour | Not to spike at anyone but its just irritating going afk then having to restart to get back connection |
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| 22:50.28 | bluevapour | Im interested in the C++ side of things with linux mainly i guess |
| 22:50.37 | bluevapour | Bored of using winsock, or just winapi in general |
| 22:51.01 | markybob | bluevapour you could probably accomplish the same by using rmmod to remove the network driver, then modprobing it again and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 22:51.12 | markybob | instead of going through the entire restart process |
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| 22:51.26 | bluevapour | Nope |
| 22:51.30 | bluevapour | Tried that, didnt wait to work |
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| 22:51.45 | bluevapour | want*, it basically was hanging on restarting |
| 22:51.52 | pand0ra | Hi, I'm going back to debian but i did an apt-get for rxvt-unicode, and I'm beginning to wonder if it has 256 color support like it's suppose to. |
| 22:51.52 | markybob | bluevapour have you tried posting in nvidia's linux forum? |
| 22:51.55 | bluevapour | Then i would quit the term, and go back and it would say it was all working but wasnt |
| 22:52.18 | bluevapour | Ive looked on there, but nobody has had this problem, im only guessing when i say nvidia, ive just reinstalled debian 4 on fresh and its working |
| 22:52.21 | bluevapour | without any addons |
| 22:52.23 | bluevapour | i.e. nvidia |
| 22:52.47 | themill | bluevapour: have you tried rmmod (or modprobe -r) before suspending and then modprobe on resume? |
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| 22:53.19 | bluevapour | both |
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| 22:58.18 | rhineheart_m | how to change system hostname to domain.com from server.domain.com? |
| 22:59.16 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 22:59.16 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
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| 23:02.17 | poseidon | I installed debian kde, however when I use "sudo" or modprobe" it tells me that they are not bash commands |
| 23:02.51 | pinto3 | maybe they're not seeable by your user |
| 23:03.06 | markybob | poseidon apt-get install sudo and modprobe can only be used by root |
| 23:03.23 | themill | poseidon: install the sudo package; modprobe is in /sbin which isn't in your path because you're not root |
| 23:03.43 | poseidon | K, thanks |
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| 23:03.56 | pand0ra | How can I make it so when I type 'vim filename.ext' it will open vim in screen so really it'd run 'screen vim filename.ext' |
| 23:03.57 | p3rti | hi |
| 23:04.16 | pinto3 | alias vim to screen vim? |
| 23:04.22 | p3rti | i want a help.. if i want to create a file with dd and with size of 8340 Bytes what i have to do? |
| 23:04.31 | pand0ra | pinto3: i didnt know if the filename would through it off |
| 23:04.34 | markybob | pand0ra alias in ~/.bash_profile |
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| 23:05.12 | themill | pand0ra: if you do that though, just make sure you don't run "vim" inside a screen session already... |
| 23:05.22 | Tramp | aliasing system commands should forbidden |
| 23:05.28 | Tramp | be |
| 23:05.32 | peterius | am I correct in assuming that there is no wireless-tools for past v20 of the "wireless extensions"? |
| 23:05.33 | markybob | p3rti dd if=/dev/urandom bs=8340 of=file |
| 23:05.46 | pand0ra | themill: what will happen, crash both bufferrs or? |
| 23:05.55 | p3rti | markybob, lol.. of course thanks |
| 23:05.56 | bluevapour | Ok guuys, im going to try and reinstall nvidia drivers and see if the network stays ok |
| 23:06.18 | themill | pand0ra: no, you'll just disappear into more and more screens and get very confused about which one you're detaching. |
| 23:06.32 | themill | !tell bluevapour about nvidia |
| 23:06.41 | pand0ra | themill: oh, well im not worried about that, but i need to run screen for 256 color support for urxvt |
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| 23:08.09 | Gorbulas | speaking of screen⦠does anyone know how to fix my backspace key so it does a backspace instead of forward delete in screen without setting backspace to ^H(which breaks other programs)? |
| 23:08.34 | abrotman | !backspace |
| 23:08.36 | abrotman | !delete |
| 23:08.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, delete is the opposite of insert |
| 23:08.43 | abrotman | smacks dpkg |
| 23:08.45 | themill | fail |
| 23:08.50 | themill | !botspank |
| 23:08.51 | dpkg | oi, stop that |
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| 23:09.41 | aztec105 | !insert |
| 23:09.44 | abrotman | !backspace problem |
| 23:09.44 | dpkg | if your backspace key acts like delete, run xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace" `, which should restore the Backspace key to ^H |
| 23:10.04 | ma3x | someone help me remember a sitename........ it was something with *ware ( there was music stuff for encoding, ripping ... on it) |
| 23:10.14 | p3rti | markybob, this command create a file tooo big! |
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| 23:10.42 | ma3x | ah rarewares got it |
| 23:11.22 | markybob | p3rti `man dd` then |
| 23:11.29 | p3rti | lol |
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| 23:12.31 | bluevapour | Guys, if i want to change kernel version, im on 486 for some reason, is it an easy process |
| 23:12.37 | bluevapour | Or should i start from scratch |
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| 23:15.06 | bluevapour | Anyone? |
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| 23:15.56 | abrotman | bluevapour: what's your CPU ? |
| 23:15.57 | mimcpher | Its as easy as installing the new one then rebooting bluevapour |
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| 23:16.18 | bluevapour | im using amd 4600+ dual core |
| 23:16.39 | abrotman | bluevapour: install the linux-image-2.6-686 or linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 23:16.50 | bluevapour | Right ok |
| 23:16.57 | bluevapour | so apt-get install the 686 should do it all? |
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| 23:17.15 | mimcpher | bluevapour, you'll have to reboot afterwards to enable the new kernel, but yes. |
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| 23:17.41 | bluevapour | Right 686 will be better than 486 because i have a good cpu right? |
| 23:18.08 | bluevapour | I understand thats the case |
| 23:18.12 | bluevapour | But ive never understood why |
| 23:18.13 | adamS | hey guys, when running apt-get update, i get that there was an error running gpgv |
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| 23:18.27 | AwesomeGuy | how do i uninstall a package? |
| 23:18.40 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys, I have a problem I've forwarded the port 21500 but, after a time that connections on this port are idle, they seem to be dropped from my server, and clients complain, (I've actually forwarded a portrange 21000:22000 to a host in my lan that's behind a router using upnp and auto port forwarding on request) but connections die after being idle for a short lapsus of time (aka 5 mins) |
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| 23:18.54 | azeem | AwesomeGuy: check the documentation of the package manager you're using |
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| 23:19.05 | bluevapour | ok mimcpyer my man, how do i remove the old one, apt-get remove linux-image2.6-486 will do? |
| 23:19.19 | abrotman | afteryou boot into the new one .. yes |
| 23:19.25 | _ZeuZ_ | bluevapour, yoy don't really need to remove it |
| 23:19.29 | mimcpher | bluevapour, yes, but only after the new one is confirmed booting properly. |
| 23:19.35 | bluevapour | Yeah thats cool |
| 23:19.36 | peterius | anyone know how to get wpa_supplicant to stop "skipping" no RSN IE APs? |
| 23:20.13 | rooTurko | AwesomeGuy: apt-get remove packagename |
| 23:20.18 | peterius | does "no WPA/RSN" refer to my driver or the AP? I know for a fact that both support WPA |
| 23:20.21 | bluevapour | does amd64 have any deal advantages over 686, because i know am46 has some compat issues with certain things |
| 23:20.29 | bluevapour | real* |
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| 23:21.08 | ma3x | is there a way to make my volume louder? i've already adjusted everything in the mixers |
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| 23:23.52 | _ZeuZ_ | peterius, there's something in wpa_supplicant and it's .conf file |
| 23:23.53 | _ZeuZ_ | I dont remember well now... but man for it... |
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| 23:24.18 | adamS | anyone know why i get an error saying "unknown error executing gpgv" when i try apt-get update |
| 23:24.31 | peterius | _ZeuZ_: is it... an encryption type? an ignore cap option? |
| 23:24.41 | ma3x | what's a good format for music? ogg or flac or mp3? |
| 23:24.44 | themill | adamS: your clock is a long way out. |
| 23:24.50 | adamS | hmmm |
| 23:25.12 | adamS | i updated my clock on my desktop. where do i configure the clock beyond that? |
| 23:25.30 | _ZeuZ_ | Dunno, I had to deal with it when setting up WPA/TKIP-PSK |
| 23:25.30 | _ZeuZ_ | better off, I don'tactually remember |
| 23:25.30 | _ZeuZ_ | but I found the answer on a man(8) page |
| 23:25.53 | themill | adamS: what does "date --utc" give |
| 23:26.26 | peterius | _ZeuZ_: why can't it figure out the damn encryption, isn't that what the "protocol" is for? |
| 23:26.28 | adamS | Mon OCT 10 |
| 23:26.40 | peterius | _ZeuZ_ I've tried about everything |
| 23:26.45 | themill | adamS: that's a long way out... what year? :) |
| 23:26.54 | adamS | 2005 :o) |
| 23:26.58 | adamS | how od i edit that? |
| 23:27.48 | themill | adamS: date -s "Tue Apr 29 23:27:37 UTC 2008" <= should work |
| 23:27.49 | _ZeuZ_ | peterius letme see |
| 23:27.57 | _ZeuZ_ | query me, and let me continue from ther.e.. |
| 23:28.07 | _ZeuZ_ | I'm trying to solve a friends server issue |
| 23:28.09 | _ZeuZ_ | so letme go with that first |
| 23:28.17 | ma3x | what's a good format for music? ogg or flac or mp3? |
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| 23:28.46 | adamS | YAY!!! |
| 23:28.48 | adamS | =D |
| 23:28.58 | themill | adamS: in the longer run, you might want something like ntp running on that box to keep the clock right. |
| 23:28.59 | _ZeuZ_ | FLAC is good in quality, but it's heavy in size |
| 23:29.14 | _ZeuZ_ | mp3 is both small and high quality (depending on the bitrate) |
| 23:29.16 | adamS | well i will now, needed apt working! :p |
| 23:29.25 | themill | adamS: indeed :) |
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| 23:30.16 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys, I have a problem I've forwarded the port 21500 but, after a time that connections on this port are idle, they seem to be dropped from my server, and clients complain, (I've actually forwarded a portrange 21000:22000 to a host in my lan that's behind a router using upnp and auto port forwarding on request) but connections die after being idle for a short lapsus of time (aka 5 mins) |
| 23:30.20 | poseidon | I'm trying to make the rt73 driver. When I cd to the correct directory and put in sudo make I get "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-61-686: No such file or directory rt73.ko failed to build! make *** [module] error 1 |
| 23:30.33 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: what kind of router? |
| 23:30.51 | _ZeuZ_ | kozumi, simple and fast though the connections occur, so it's not a router issue... |
| 23:31.01 | _ZeuZ_ | still they are discarded after 5 minutes |
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| 23:31.13 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: what kind of router? |
| 23:31.33 | mimcpher | ma3x, about the only thing that mp3 has going for it is compatibility with other formats. Ogg is superior, but not as many devices and players accept it. Flac is great if you've got the disk space, as it takes up plently. |
| 23:31.42 | _ZeuZ_ | simple router, no DSL router, nothing like that... just a normal router with upnp and auto-port -forwarding |
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| 23:32.19 | ceil420 | ... |
| 23:32.30 | ceil420 | _ZeuZ_, i think he means the make and model of the router |
| 23:32.43 | ma3x | mimcpher: how do i encode wav files to ogg? |
| 23:33.06 | mimcpher | ma3x, "man oggenc" |
| 23:33.22 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: what kind of router? |
| 23:33.29 | _ZeuZ_ | ceil420, that wouldn-t be related here... I think.... |
| 23:33.36 | abrotman | then why the hell are you asking here? |
| 23:33.39 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, Kozumi router, dunno what you mean with class |
| 23:33.47 | _ZeuZ_ | because it's not about the router |
| 23:34.06 | _ZeuZ_ | it's about my server dropping idle connections on that port range when they become idle |
| 23:34.15 | mimcpher | What kind of server? |
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| 23:34.55 | mimcpher | SSH? HTTP? IRC? Telnet? gopher? |
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| 23:35.23 | _ZeuZ_ | static IP, one mikrotik on top, users come from wireless to a switch, then come to a lan interface of the server, and there it routes and serves as cache, gateway and remote ssh for control... also some ports forwarded per request. |
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| 23:35.30 | _ZeuZ_ | static DNS too. |
| 23:35.46 | _ZeuZ_ | traffic controlled with tcng and in a DNATed and SNATed enviroment |
| 23:35.50 | click170__ | Whats the best place to put a script to have it run at startup? boot order isn't terribly important. |
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| 23:36.31 | abrotman | !tell click170__ about run at startup |
| 23:36.47 | _ZeuZ_ | click170_, chmod +x it and copy it to /etc/init.d |
| 23:36.47 | adamsilzell | anyone ever install ndiswrapper on etch? |
| 23:36.55 | _ZeuZ_ | or update-rc.d SCRIPT defaults |
| 23:36.58 | vozd | Gde ste braco srbi!!! |
| 23:37.06 | abrotman | vozd: english |
| 23:37.09 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 23:37.10 | dpkg | well, ndiswrapper one-liner is aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
| 23:37.20 | click170__ | thanks all. |
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| 23:38.50 | ma3x | mimcpher: is it good to select quality 5 or 3 when encoding? |
| 23:38.51 | vozd | does enibady know how can install actiontec usb modem on suse 10.03 |
| 23:38.55 | ma3x | can you make difference in sound? |
| 23:39.07 | ma3x | or the human ear can't usually detect it? |
| 23:40.05 | abrotman | vozd: ask #suse or ##linux |
| 23:40.11 | Tramp | _ZeuZ_: If it can be reproduced, I suggest to tcpdump the connection at least on both ends (including arp, including icmp) and possibly in the middle as well. Then analyze the dumps and see, where it breaks. |
| 23:40.21 | poseidon | Does anyone know what could have caused my error during make? |
| 23:40.26 | mimcpher | ma3x, I'd try and listen. Generally, 5-7 is the quality I use. |
| 23:40.32 | vozd | ok thanks |
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| 23:40.54 | ma3x | mimcpher: what kind of music is yours? |
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| 23:41.24 | mimcpher | A variety. I'll use 5 for pop/rock, and 7 or more for more orchestral or complex pieces. |
| 23:41.53 | Tramp | _ZeuZ_: and also use netstat to periodically check the status of this connection on the server- and client side. |
| 23:42.07 | _ZeuZ_ | Tramp: It breaks on my server, tested that... from the client, with a laptop sniffin traffic, and with in my server with -vvv host |
| 23:42.19 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: does it happen from inside too ? |
| 23:43.00 | Tramp | _ZeuZ_: so how does it break? Does it get resetted/Fin-ed? are there retransmits? any icmp messages exchanged? |
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| 23:45.20 | Pig_Pen | who helped with with wifi earlier? was it peppi or peppy? i wanted to thank him for the help, it worked! :) |
| 23:45.39 | abrotman | it was Jerry |
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| 23:45.50 | abrotman | uh .. bad joke i think .. ignore |
| 23:46.01 | Pig_Pen | thanks Jerry |
| 23:46.18 | adam___ | i get this error, any ideas? /var/lib/dpkg/info/cpad-kernel-source.postinst: line 49: [: too many arguments |
| 23:46.23 | adam___ | Warning: kernel headers don't match running Linux version. |
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| 23:46.26 | craigevil | Jerry as in Tom & Jerry :) |
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| 23:47.09 | Pig_Pen | someone (was it jerry) that told me about a firmware package to install for my adapter, i used Linux for a long time but i am just new to wifi |
| 23:47.32 | abrotman | Pig_Pen: i was making a joke about your nick .. ignore what i said |
| 23:47.32 | Pig_Pen | thanks again who all helped, bye |
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| 23:47.53 | ReKlipz | how can I install the alsa-plugins package? |
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| 23:48.02 | Pig_Pen | thats cool, no problem |
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| 23:48.43 | ReKlipz | I've tried compiling it from source, but it fails saying: checking for ALSA... configure: error: Package requirements (alsa >= 1.0.11) were not met: |
| 23:48.43 | ReKlipz | No package 'alsa' found |
| 23:48.55 | adam___ | anyone know of anything other than ndiswrapper i can use for wireless? its just NOT installing |
| 23:49.43 | _ZeuZ_ | Tramp: no further packet sending. |
| 23:49.50 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman: same story |
| 23:49.51 | mimcpher | adam___, what kind of wifi device do you have? |
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| 23:50.02 | _ZeuZ_ | sorry for long time till reply, I was at the toilets place |
| 23:50.06 | adam___ | broadcom chipset. its a dynex brand |
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| 23:50.31 | mimcpher | adam___, see if the bcm43xx driver supports it. |
| 23:50.33 | ReKlipz | adam__, I don't know of another utility that does what ndiswrapper does |
| 23:50.56 | mimcpher | adam___, that driver should be included in recent kernels -- what are you running? |
| 23:51.13 | adam___ | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 23:51.15 | Tramp | _ZeuZ_: this is no helpful information. You said, the connection is idle - so of course there is no packet. |
| 23:51.17 | mimcpher | ReKlipz, there's actually a commercial utility called driverloader or something |
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| 23:51.51 | adam___ | mimcpher: but like...where do i start? lol |
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| 23:52.16 | mimcpher | well since your kernel has the bcm43xx driver I guess it isn't supported then. |
| 23:52.36 | adam___ | mimcpher: Dang! |
| 23:52.39 | mimcpher | adam___, why isn't ndiswrapper working? |
| 23:52.59 | blusock | I just installed Debian last night with a netinst CD. I'm now trying to install ndiswrapper for my DLink Wireless Adapter, but when i type in "make distclean" (instructions I found somewhere), it tells me "Cannot find kernel version in /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/build, is it configured?. Stop." I cd'ed to /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486, and there's no file named build anywhere. Isn't something like this supposed to come with the install disk? |
| 23:53.30 | adam___ | mimcpher: the apt-get install fails: /var/lib/dpkg/info/cpad-kernel-source.postinst: line 49: [: too many arguments |
| 23:53.33 | adam___ | Warning: kernel headers don't match running Linux version. |
| 23:53.52 | adam___ | and when i do "modprobe ndiswrapper" it says its not found |
| 23:55.26 | _ZeuZ_ | Tramp: this means that at some time place, the connection is dropped, and no further packet comes nor from the lan host to the public IP interface, nor from the outside to this port. |
| 23:56.06 | ReKlipz | in debian, the alsa package is named alsa-base, right? |
| 23:56.30 | ReKlipz | also, there is no alsa-plugins package, correct? so how do i get the alsa-plugins stuff? |
| 23:56.35 | Tramp | _ZeuZ_: well, then obviously the problem is /not/ the server, but some network-device inbetween |
| 23:57.04 | _ZeuZ_ | The router is not it... maybe the Mikrotik? I don't think it could be either... it just serves as an Access pint |
| 23:57.25 | _ZeuZ_ | and the client says that with other provider, that problem did not ocurr.. |
| 23:57.34 | _ZeuZ_ | But, I can't really trust the client... |
| 23:57.42 | ma3x | how can i use shell script to tell an application use *.wav files? |
| 23:57.51 | ma3x | it doesn't support specifying *.wav |
| 23:57.58 | Tramp | _ZeuZ_: it is as simple as that: If you do something on the client (which was idle for a while) that should result in traffic, but you don't see traffic arrive at the server, you have to check inbetween |
| 23:57.59 | _ZeuZ_ | it was a retarded that tended to not pay in time |
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| 23:58.17 | abrotman | !es |
| 23:58.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 23:58.21 | _ZeuZ_ | Tramp: I've surely asked the guy that pays me to do that |
| 23:58.27 | _ZeuZ_ | he says: stop being paranoid |
| 23:59.13 | Tramp | _ZeuZ_: tcpdump (rarely) lies. If you don't see packets coming in, but they go out, they get lost inbetween. |
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