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| 00:04.39 | shel_len | Is it possible for me to use a terminal with fbdev or svga? |
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| 00:05.07 | catsup | shel_len: yes |
| 00:05.10 | sandman | How secure is a chroot |
| 00:05.19 | catsup | sandman: not very |
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| 00:05.24 | sandman | catsup: VServer? |
| 00:05.29 | catsup | very |
| 00:05.32 | zeuz_ | sandman: a bad bad sandboxing tool |
| 00:05.34 | sandman | Okay, good. |
| 00:05.36 | shel_len | catsup, how do I switch? |
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| 00:05.47 | catsup | shel_len: i'm not clear on what you mean |
| 00:05.48 | sandman | I'm trying to figure out which may be faster: VServer or VirtualBox |
| 00:05.56 | sandman | I'm guessing VServer |
| 00:05.58 | Aishi | there that's better, (sorry I have to use a java app and today every server I connect to I have to leave and reconnect before it lets me type and talk to anyone), but I am looking at building a load balancing router/file-server database box and I'm looking at using debian as the base, I'm just wondering how hard that would be to pull off? (I know I can easily set up the file-server part, and I'm 90% sure I can handle settin |
| 00:06.44 | catsup | Aishi: your line got cut off because it was too long |
| 00:06.58 | catsup | Aishi: but it's not that hard; there are several debian packages to make it easier |
| 00:06.58 | Aishi | catsup where id it get cut? |
| 00:07.10 | shel_len | catsup, I want to set a background. Is that possible? |
| 00:07.10 | catsup | "90% sure I can handle" |
| 00:07.13 | sandman | Also, what will be faster: Paravirtualized Xen, VServer, Qemu + kQemu, or VirtualBox? Probably somewhere between VServer and Xe, yes |
| 00:07.16 | catsup | shel_len: yep |
| 00:07.41 | sandman | I say paravirtualized because afaik that means there's no hardware virtualization support, or at least implies that. |
| 00:07.49 | Aishi | setting up a print server out of it as well, it's the Load-balancing routing part and dhcp service that have me concerned) |
| 00:07.53 | catsup | shel_len: actually you might want to look at bootlogo |
| 00:08.11 | catsup | shel_len: that puts a background on the fb and also displays a logo during boot instead of the kernel messages |
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| 00:09.02 | catsup | Aishi: ya, you need some iptables tricks for the routing, but it's not hard (and it's not distribution-specific) |
| 00:09.38 | poseidon | I'm trying to make the rt73 driver. When I cd to the correct directory and put in sudo make I get "make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-61-686: No such file or directory rt73.ko failed to build! make *** [module] error 1 |
| 00:09.44 | Aishi | catsup I perfer to use gentoo however my primary printer I can't get working under gentoo (company won't release the ppd file on their website but have a .deb and .rpm go figure) |
| 00:10.00 | cafuego | sandman: vserver would be fastest afaik |
| 00:10.03 | poseidon | How can I fix this? |
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| 00:11.10 | rhineheart_m | by default.. is debian uses swapping memory? |
| 00:11.16 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: yes |
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| 00:11.30 | rhineheart_m | I read this one: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/misc/perf-tuning.html |
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| 00:11.42 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: it will even use swap if there is free ram. this is by design and this is a good thing. |
| 00:11.51 | jim | Aishi: what has you considering debian? |
| 00:11.51 | rhineheart_m | it says there: A webserver should never ever have to swap, as swapping increases the latency of each request beyond a point that users consider "fast enough". |
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| 00:12.23 | catsup | rhineheart_m: that doesn't mean you shouldn't have swap enabled, it just means you should have enough memory that you're not swapping out the web server |
| 00:12.27 | rhineheart_m | any reaction on this thing? |
| 00:12.28 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: are you running a large web application farm or are you just hsoting a few tites? |
| 00:12.36 | cafuego | sites even |
| 00:12.45 | ReKlipz | how do i get past this compile error: http://pastebin.com/m621785bc |
| 00:12.47 | Aishi | jim: I know someone that uses it and there is a .deb available for my printer, and it's not Fedora/Mandriva/Redhat |
| 00:12.55 | poseidon | rhineheart_m, I use make it so that it uses more ram rather than using a bunch of swap |
| 00:13.01 | penrod | greetings, I have a network setup at a hotel which is using dhcp to serve up ip addresses to all the guests. It appears someone has put a router on the network that is set to serve up addresses on a different subnet. any ideas on how I can shut it down ? |
| 00:13.01 | catsup | rhineheart_m: with swap, your web server slows down when you run out of memory; without swap, it dies completely |
| 00:13.09 | rhineheart_m | just a few sites in 3.0GHz and 512 RAM |
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| 00:13.19 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: then it's really not an issue |
| 00:13.38 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: without swap for instanc it cannot put things like cron in swap and use that freed mem for apache, |
| 00:13.41 | rhineheart_m | in server deployment |
| 00:14.10 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: Thing is, if the server gets a hit once a minute aapche would never get swapped out anyway. |
| 00:14.56 | nvz | ReKlipz: what version of debian? |
| 00:14.59 | rhineheart_m | okay.. that helps.. well, when would debian cosiders to upgrade its apache2 version? |
| 00:15.00 | catsup | penrod: don't route broadcasts between clients? |
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| 00:15.12 | cafuego | I certainly have no issues with apache 2on a 256Mb virtual machine |
| 00:15.22 | poseidon | So does anyone know how I could fix my make error? |
| 00:15.31 | ReKlipz | nvz, debian lenny 64bit |
| 00:15.37 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: Never in a current stable release. |
| 00:15.59 | ReKlipz | nvz, i need the alsa-plugins package, but it isnt in the package manager, so i'm trying to compile alsa-plugins by hand |
| 00:16.01 | abrotman | !etchnhalf |
| 00:16.01 | catsup | poseidon: you haven't provided enough information; but frankly probably nobody is going to help you with this, because it's a proprietary driver that people are unlikely to care about |
| 00:16.01 | dpkg | i heard etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf Installer images at etchnhalf is also Preview installer images (not for general testing yet) are at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/test/ |
| 00:16.43 | poseidon | catsup, it's not a proprietary driver, I'm using the open source one. |
| 00:16.44 | \amethyst | hm |
| 00:16.46 | catsup | oh |
| 00:16.56 | nvz | ReKlipz: do you have alsa-base and linux-sound-base installed? |
| 00:17.01 | rhineheart_m | okay.. anyway its stable. I've been looking for an answer to this... how long after release be a version of debis is supported? let's say....5 years... |
| 00:17.02 | catsup | well in that case, you need to post the first error message make issues, rather than the last |
| 00:17.04 | ReKlipz | nvz, yes |
| 00:17.17 | nvz | !info alsa-base lenny |
| 00:17.21 | poseidon | catsup, that was the entire error |
| 00:17.26 | rhineheart_m | sorry.. I mean debian :) |
| 00:17.36 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: No, 3 is more realistic. |
| 00:17.40 | dpkg | alsa-base: (ALSA driver configuration files), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.0.16-1.1 (lenny), Packaged size: 201 kB, Installed size: 444 kB |
| 00:17.58 | catsup | poseidon: really? there must have been an earlier error... |
| 00:18.09 | catsup | poseidon: what was the previous line? |
| 00:18.15 | rhineheart_m | 3 years? don't they have long term support like in ubuntu which has 5 years in server ed? |
| 00:18.25 | poseidon | catsup, sudo make |
| 00:18.25 | nvz | ReKlipz: that error message has a suggestion, did you try it? |
| 00:18.33 | ReKlipz | nvz, i dont know how to |
| 00:18.46 | ReKlipz | nvz, i tried to try it though, if thats any consolation, :) |
| 00:18.58 | nvz | heh |
| 00:19.08 | nvz | it says to consult the pkg-config manpage |
| 00:19.11 | catsup | rhineheart_m: generally there's little reason not to upgrade to the latest debian stable |
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| 00:19.48 | ReKlipz | nvz, basically, i need to tell it where alsa-base is installed to? |
| 00:19.50 | rhineheart_m | but my concern actually.. is downtime expected during upgrading? |
| 00:20.14 | nvz | ReKlipz: or tell it to stop looking |
| 00:20.20 | catsup | rhineheart_m: not really. you have to reboot to switch kernels, but you can put that off indefinitely |
| 00:20.37 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: Normally services get shutdown or reloaded in an upgrade, so they may be down for a few seconds |
| 00:20.48 | ReKlipz | nvz, ok, so i need to find out what compiler flags to pass, and what about alsa_libs? |
| 00:21.13 | rhineheart_m | okay.. but is the upgrade not too technical? I mean.. hard? |
| 00:21.16 | nvz | ReKlipz: what exactly is this alsa-plugins thing you are compling? there are tons of alsa plugins in debian, they are all packaged seperately |
| 00:21.25 | ReKlipz | nvz, i need a52encode |
| 00:21.51 | nvz | never heard of it |
| 00:21.59 | catsup | poseidon: you shouldn't run make as root |
| 00:22.07 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: Plu, dist-upgrades (to newer debian versions) tend to be pretty painless. |
| 00:22.07 | ReKlipz | it's to encode stuff to an AC3/DTS stream to send over spdif |
| 00:22.08 | cloakable | rhineheart_m: sed -i s/etch/lenny/ /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:22.15 | catsup | poseidon: anyway, where is the source? |
| 00:22.45 | cloakable | rhineheart_m: and the sed bit is mostly showing off :P |
| 00:22.49 | poseidon | !rt73 |
| 00:22.49 | dpkg | The legacy driver for Ralink RT2573/RT2671 (rt73) is at http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/RT73_Linux_STA_Drv1.0.4.0.tar.gz. Enhanced legacy driver is at http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/rt73-cvs-daily.tar.gz (the required 'rt73.bin' firmware file is included). Also ask me about <rt2x00>. |
| 00:23.02 | poseidon | catsup, second link |
| 00:23.14 | rhineheart_m | okay..thanks for the info... the latest stable version is still etch right? |
| 00:23.23 | catsup | poseidon: hm, that's a cvs snapshot |
| 00:23.23 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: yup. |
| 00:23.23 | cloakable | rhineheart_m: Yup |
| 00:23.36 | cafuego | rhineheart_m: that said, my lenny web vm runs just fine |
| 00:23.56 | rhineheart_m | cloakable, cafuego, catsup...thanks for the inputs.. cheers! |
| 00:24.13 | poseidon | catsup, yes. It has worked fine for me in other distros |
| 00:24.32 | cloakable | rhineheart_m: no problem :) |
| 00:24.48 | ReKlipz | nvz, any ideas? |
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| 00:25.05 | catsup | poseidon: well i just built it |
| 00:25.26 | nvz | ReKlipz: not yet.. the package is in debian, but only as source |
| 00:25.33 | poseidon | catsup, I think I'm missing something |
| 00:25.51 | catsup | poseidon: linux source? |
| 00:26.06 | poseidon | catsup, ? |
| 00:26.09 | catsup | make[1]: Entering directory `/home/d/src/linux-source-2.6.18' |
| 00:26.20 | catsup | it built it in my linux source dir, apparently, which is pretty annoying... |
| 00:26.46 | catsup | poseidon: can you post a link to the entire make output ? |
| 00:27.17 | amphi | catsup: I doubt it - do you not find the .ko somewhere in the module src dir? |
| 00:27.20 | nevyn | ReKlipz: use module-assistant to build the upstream alsa tree |
| 00:27.49 | poseidon | catsup, I'm pretty sure that was all of the make error |
| 00:27.56 | catsup | amphi: oh, yeah, it didn't put output there |
| 00:28.01 | ReKlipz | nevyn: no idea how to do that, only thing i've dont with m-a is the fglrx one-liner |
| 00:28.28 | nevyn | ReKlipz: if you have m-a installed just run it select alsa to build and it'll take care of it. |
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| 00:28.44 | nevyn | ReKlipz: it's follow the bouncing ball stuff. |
| 00:28.46 | nvz | ReKlipz: maybe this forum will help, a user is showing step-by-step how he got 5.1 surround using ALSA a52 in ubuntu |
| 00:29.04 | ReKlipz | nvz, ill give it a whirl, link? |
| 00:29.19 | nvz | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=714712 |
| 00:29.19 | ReKlipz | nevyn: hmm, this will replace alsa-base? |
| 00:29.20 | jim | a52? |
| 00:29.24 | ReKlipz | a52! |
| 00:29.25 | nevyn | ReKlipz: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:29.29 | catsup | poseidon: that was all of the make *output*? |
| 00:29.36 | ReKlipz | nevyn, I want to get 5.1 via spdif |
| 00:29.42 | nevyn | oh I've done that. |
| 00:29.53 | nevyn | to an AVR? |
| 00:30.00 | ReKlipz | for things that dont have a DD stream or ac3 stream |
| 00:30.09 | poseidon | catsup, what do you mean by output? The error I got in the commandline? Is there a commandline argument, or a debug file I can get it from? |
| 00:30.13 | ReKlipz | nevyn, yes, for some sort of receiver decoding |
| 00:30.16 | nevyn | ReKlipz: I have that working. |
| 00:30.23 | ReKlipz | nevyn, perfect, :) |
| 00:30.29 | catsup | poseidon: i mean everything that appears on the screen after you type 'make' |
| 00:30.37 | ReKlipz | nevyn: privmsg? |
| 00:30.42 | poseidon | catsup, yes. That is everything. |
| 00:30.47 | poseidon | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-61-686: No such file or directory rt73.ko failed to build! make *** [module] error 1 |
| 00:30.56 | catsup | oh |
| 00:30.58 | nevyn | it's kinda OT for here. |
| 00:31.02 | nevyn | #alsa maybe |
| 00:31.05 | catsup | poseidon: i misread that the first time... |
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| 00:31.40 | catsup | poseidon: the problem is you don't have /lib/modules/2.6.18-61-686, it's looking there for /lib/modules/2.6.18-61-686/build which is supposed to be a link to the linux source tree |
| 00:31.57 | catsup | i don't know why you wouldn't have that dir tho |
| 00:32.04 | catsup | oh right i know why! |
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| 00:32.08 | catsup | because you're running in chroot |
| 00:32.09 | poseidon | catsup, I don't have a internet connection |
| 00:32.13 | nvz | ReKlipz: I found /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_a52* in the package libasound2-plugins |
| 00:32.24 | poseidon | catsup, should i run it as a regular user? |
| 00:32.25 | catsup | poseidon: the problem is it's using uname -r to determine the linux version to build the module against-- |
| 00:32.25 | nvz | ReKlipz: which I think is what you are trying to compile |
| 00:32.34 | catsup | poseidon: but you're using a different kernel than you want to compile it for |
| 00:32.51 | jim | poseidon: aren't you talking to this channel using an internet connection? |
| 00:32.56 | catsup | poseidon: you need to edit the makefile |
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| 00:33.16 | poseidon | jim, I dual-boot with windows ;) |
| 00:33.20 | ReKlipz | nvz: it is, but yours is 32bit |
| 00:33.28 | poseidon | catsup, What should i edit? |
| 00:33.43 | catsup | poseidon: or, not edit it, but--set the env vars KERNDIR MODDIR and PATCHLEVEL |
| 00:33.58 | poseidon | catsup, how do I do that? |
| 00:34.07 | catsup | poseidon: these need to correspond to the debian kernel you want to build against, rather than the kernel you're running |
| 00:34.12 | nvz | ReKlipz: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libasound2-plugins ia64 is listed |
| 00:34.21 | badcrc | i'm running etch on my laptop and dmesg is saying "ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [dfadc838] 'on'" everything i've found on it online is for when it doesn't really need to be on. but my laptop's cpu temperature is reported as 84C |
| 00:34.27 | nvz | ReKlipz: as well as amd64 |
| 00:34.35 | catsup | poseidon: first, figure out what debian kernel you're using |
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| 00:34.55 | poseidon | catsup, Is there a command to do that ie. kernel --version? |
| 00:35.01 | ReKlipz | nvz: you are a god! |
| 00:35.02 | catsup | poseidon: probably, it's the latest version listed in /lib/modules |
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| 00:35.08 | ReKlipz | now to fix other issues with nevyn |
| 00:35.19 | nvz | ReKlipz: heh, I just know how to look stuff up, thats all ;) |
| 00:35.20 | catsup | poseidon: no (the command is 'uname -r', but that will tell you the *running* kernel, which is ubuntu) |
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| 00:35.40 | bluevapour_ | Hey guys im looking at my interrupts table |
| 00:36.00 | bluevapour_ | And for some reason the interupt collections are comming on cpu0 apart from ethernet which is being collegected on cpu1 |
| 00:36.17 | bluevapour_ | Why is ethernet interupts being collected on cpu1 |
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| 00:36.57 | catsup | poseidon: tell me what the version is and i'll tell you the environment variable settings |
| 00:37.15 | bluevapour_ | debian v4 |
| 00:37.15 | poseidon | catsup, ok, I'll reboot real quick. BRB |
| 00:37.21 | catsup | poseidon: you don't need to reboot! |
| 00:37.21 | bluevapour_ | oh |
| 00:37.22 | bluevapour_ | My bad |
| 00:37.26 | nvz | bluevapour_: maybe cpu0 hung a do not disturb sign cause its busy making sweet love to a single-core processor and doesn't want anyone to find out |
| 00:37.34 | bluevapour_ | Lol |
| 00:37.48 | bluevapour_ | Nvz, is it fine for it to switch interupt collection between cores then? |
| 00:38.04 | nvz | bluevapour_: I'd imagine so |
| 00:38.17 | bluevapour_ | Also, is it possible to set what collects what |
| 00:38.34 | bluevapour_ | So say my net + gfx on same core = potentially slower than one on each core |
| 00:38.36 | bluevapour_ | how would i hange it |
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| 00:38.46 | nvz | bluevapour_: are you experiencing problems or just poking around? |
| 00:39.10 | bluevapour_ | Both |
| 00:39.28 | poseidon | catsup, I'm using debian-kde etchrc3 |
| 00:39.30 | bluevapour_ | Basically my net goes down after 15mins afk, and reconfigures etc, so i reinstalled from scratch, and everythings good so far |
| 00:39.32 | nvz | bluevapour_: you should probably be talking about this stuff in #hardware or a linux kernel specific channel |
| 00:39.40 | bluevapour_ | oh, know any? |
| 00:39.48 | catsup | poseidon: ok, that's not what i needed |
| 00:40.01 | poseidon | catsup, then how do I do it without rebooting? |
| 00:40.05 | catsup | poseidon: ls /lib/modules -- tell me which of those you're using |
| 00:40.25 | poseidon | catsup, I'm in windows right now. ls isn't going to work ;) |
| 00:40.26 | catsup | if you don't know, we can just guess it's the latest (or you could check your bootloader config and know for sure...) |
| 00:40.30 | nvz | bluevapour_: not any I could recommend. I just hang out here to solve debian related issues and thats a tad out of my scope |
| 00:40.47 | bluevapour_ | Fair enough |
| 00:40.52 | bluevapour_ | Im new to linux aswell tbh |
| 00:40.53 | catsup | poseidon: download and install the ext2 drivers for windows... if you're using ext2/3 |
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| 00:41.03 | poseidon | catsup, I installed it today, so I'm going to say it's the latest. |
| 00:41.08 | nvz | bluevapour_: if you're not in any hurry the linux kernel mailing list might help you find people/places to talk about such things |
| 00:41.31 | nvz | usually mailinglists will generate feedback in 6 hours or less |
| 00:41.31 | bluevapour_ | Odd enough, lol im not a patient person |
| 00:41.40 | bluevapour_ | Ill give them a try |
| 00:42.00 | nvz | !piav |
| 00:42.00 | dpkg | Patience is a virtue - just wait and someone will answer you. |
| 00:42.01 | catsup | poseidon: so, you mean you have to reboot just to run make? |
| 00:42.17 | bluevapour_ | Basically, all im saying is, when i use two monitors in xorg, the interupts change on ethernet to second core |
| 00:42.17 | bluevapour_ | :S |
| 00:42.20 | catsup | poseidon: and you have to leave irc in order to do this? |
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| 00:42.57 | poseidon | catsup, yes :( |
| 00:43.10 | catsup | poseidon: that's a real fuckin hassle, so let's not do it twice |
| 00:43.21 | bluevapour_ | Is there anyway to spread the cpu load more in debian |
| 00:43.24 | catsup | poseidon: let me tell you how to figure out the env vars yourself |
| 00:43.28 | bluevapour_ | Core 1 uses alot whilst core 2 is lazy |
| 00:43.48 | poseidon | catsup, Sounds like a plan |
| 00:44.28 | catsup | poseidon: actually the easiest way is to edit the makefile like this: perl -i.bak -e 's/shell uname -r/echo KERNELVERSION/g' Makefile |
| 00:44.51 | catsup | poseidon: except instead of KERNELVERSION, insert your kernel version, which will look something like this: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 00:45.10 | poseidon | catsup, then should I be able to run make? |
| 00:45.14 | catsup | yes |
| 00:45.21 | catsup | but let me make sure i understand you correctly... |
| 00:45.32 | catsup | you're running a chroot to debian within a ubuntu install right? |
| 00:45.47 | bluevapour_ | Anyone? |
| 00:45.55 | poseidon | catsup, no. I'm running debian. I isntalled debian. |
| 00:46.02 | catsup | oh! |
| 00:46.17 | poseidon | catsup, Sorry if I mislead you |
| 00:46.17 | catsup | um. then uname -r should work in the first place! |
| 00:46.43 | poseidon | catsup, so should I use make uname -r? |
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| 00:47.09 | shel_len | I need some help getting x to find my nvidia driver |
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| 00:47.42 | catsup | poseidon: that's what it's using now. When it says "/lib/modules/2.6.18-61-686" it gets the '2.6.18-61-686' from 'uname -r' |
| 00:47.51 | nvz | shel_len: be less specific and we might just ignore you ... ;) |
| 00:47.51 | Aishi | shel_len make sure you have it load the glx module in your xorg.conf |
| 00:48.23 | nvz | shel_len: what have you done? what is the error? |
| 00:48.39 | catsup | poseidon: frankly i have no idea how you could be missing that directory |
| 00:49.13 | shel_len | nvz sorry, |
| 00:49.15 | shel_len | !paste |
| 00:49.15 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 00:49.18 | shel_len | !pastebin |
| 00:49.18 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 00:49.27 | nvz | uh. |
| 00:49.29 | nvz | ok. |
| 00:49.40 | poseidon | catsup, I ran suod aptitude isntall build-essentials linux-headers-'uname -r' which I got fromt eh cd |
| 00:49.45 | poseidon | *sudo |
| 00:50.12 | NickPresta | poseidon, `uname -r` not 'uname -r' |
| 00:50.19 | shel_len | http://rafb.net/p/6tXPn665.html |
| 00:50.40 | poseidon | NickPresta, lol, that might help |
| 00:50.55 | poseidon | brb, I'm going to try that. |
| 00:51.14 | catsup | poseidon: you will also need linux-tree-`uname -r` |
| 00:51.28 | catsup | but it's saying your module dir doesn't exist! impossible! |
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| 00:51.42 | catsup | inconceivable! |
| 00:51.43 | *** mode/#debian [-b firedemon!*@*] by abrotman |
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| 00:51.57 | Tramp | use $(), not backticks. Backticks are evil. |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | Tramp: do you keep logs? |
| 00:52.21 | NickPresta | Tramp, fair enough :) |
| 00:52.26 | shel_len | catsup, I tried putting it in but I think I did it wrong, |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | bah .. nevermind |
| 00:52.37 | Tramp | abrotman: well, kvirc does automatically, so yes. |
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| 00:52.49 | abrotman | Tramp: but you join/part IIRC |
| 00:53.18 | Tramp | abrotman: well, of course only when I'm on 8) |
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| 00:53.25 | catsup | if you're not nesting, `` saves you two keystrokes over $() |
| 00:53.28 | abrotman | right .. same here |
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| 00:54.10 | Tramp | catsup: yes. has saved a lot of keystrokes during the last 10 minutes on irc. |
| 00:54.42 | \amethyst | catsup: if you're not nesting *and* you don't have backslashes |
| 00:54.58 | Tramp | adn, on my keyboard, backtick is a dead key. |
| 00:55.31 | catsup | :( |
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| 00:55.54 | catsup | how do you type ~ ? |
| 00:56.08 | Tramp | catsup: same. tilde blank |
| 00:56.19 | catsup | eh? |
| 00:56.38 | Tramp | and tilde is altgr-tilde. |
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| 00:58.06 | Tramp | the key has backtick (`), caret (^), tilde (~). All are dead, backtick is via shift, tilde via altgr. all need a blank afterwards to appear. |
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| 00:58.55 | shel_len | When I configure the ModulePath in xorg.conf I then get this error when starting X |
| 00:58.56 | shel_len | (EE) Failed to load module "pcidata" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 00:59.21 | streuner | shel_ lspci -v | grep -i vga |
| 00:59.43 | Tramp | so actually a backtick is 3 keypresses for me. (but () is shifted also of course). But actually, `` requires six, $() four keystrokes. |
| 00:59.47 | shel_len | anom01y:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 420] (rev a3) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) |
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| 01:00.07 | streuner | shel_len: try "vga" as driver |
| 01:00.16 | sparr | how can i tell dpkg that i don't care that a "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state", i want it removed anyways? |
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| 01:01.31 | abrotman | reinstall it |
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| 01:02.05 | Spida | how do I install grub on a loopdevice/imagefile? |
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| 01:02.40 | shel_len | streuner: x starts, but not at usable resolution |
| 01:02.48 | pipegeek | losetup /dev/loop0 image.img |
| 01:02.50 | poseidon | catsup, thanks. I got it working :) |
| 01:02.51 | pipegeek | grub-install /dev/loop0 |
| 01:02.59 | streuner | shel_len: vesa and vga are limited, IIRC |
| 01:03.11 | streuner | shel_len: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 01:03.33 | shel_len | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 01:03.59 | streuner | shel_len: well, testing doesn't have nvidia non-free stuff |
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| 01:04.15 | shel_len | streuner: I have stable too |
| 01:04.22 | streuner | uhm |
| 01:04.27 | Spida | pipegeek: was that for me? |
| 01:04.39 | pipegeek | it was indeed |
| 01:04.40 | streuner | 2.7-10 is rather testing or unstable |
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| 01:04.46 | pipegeek | now let me check to make sure it was correct ;) |
| 01:04.58 | Spida | pipegeek: how does grub know which (hdx,y) my loop-dev is? |
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| 01:05.20 | Wyzard | Spida: loop devices don't have BIOS numbers (hdx,y) |
| 01:05.32 | Spida | yeah, thats why I am asking *g* |
| 01:05.37 | pipegeek | Spida: I failed you |
| 01:05.43 | streuner | shel_len: read wiki.debian.org in <nvidia> (/msg dpkg nvidia) |
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| 01:06.41 | pipegeek | Spida |
| 01:06.42 | shel_len | streuner: I have read the docs |
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| 01:07.06 | Baloo | When browsing packages in aptitude, does it also show versions in the package cache, or just versions online? |
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| 01:07.21 | pipegeek | Spida: run grub as root. Then do "device (fd0) /dev/loop1", "root (fd0)", "setup (fd0)", "quit" |
| 01:07.25 | poseidon | Should debian automaticly be able to use it's dm on install? I get a long error when using "startx" |
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| 01:07.45 | pipegeek | or s/fd0/hd0,0 if it's meant to be a hard drive image |
| 01:08.05 | poseidon | It says I already have the newest of xorg and kde |
| 01:08.20 | Spida | thx |
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| 01:09.23 | sparr | abrotman: i dont want to, or cant, reinstall it. i just want to uninstall it. i know i can manually delete all the files then tell dpkg that its not installed, but id rather not do that |
| 01:09.43 | abrotman | sparr: paste the whole error somewhere |
| 01:09.59 | streuner | poseidon: your question make no sense |
| 01:10.15 | pipegeek | Spida: np. Sorry I didn't give you more cycles sooner :P |
| 01:10.20 | pipegeek | ta ta, #debian |
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| 01:10.37 | streuner | poseidon: what do you want? a DM or just startx? |
| 01:10.37 | sparr | will be a sec, in the middle of a different apt-get process |
| 01:10.51 | poseidon | streuner, I want to be able to use kde |
| 01:11.13 | streuner | poseidon: How about to just use KDM then? |
| 01:11.32 | poseidon | do I just put KDM in the commandline? |
| 01:11.50 | streuner | no, apt-get install kdm |
| 01:12.00 | streuner | erm, aptitude install kdm |
| 01:12.37 | streuner | or edit xsession and put "exec startkde" there |
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| 01:13.36 | poseidon | streuner, where can I find xsession? |
| 01:13.56 | streuner | !xsession |
| 01:13.56 | dpkg | xsession is probably ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession', or see this URL for some other tips: http://www.hantslug.org.uk/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxHints/StartX |
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| 01:15.01 | shel_len | Can someone help me configure my ModulePath in xorg.conf? |
| 01:15.02 | bluevapour_ | Hey guys, im looking for something that will allow me to spread applications accross the cpus more, core 2 of my computer doesnt get used much |
| 01:15.13 | streuner | poseidon: /home/<user>/.xsession |
| 01:15.45 | poseidon | streuner, thanks |
| 01:15.55 | streuner | poseidon: np |
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| 01:17.28 | bluevapour_ | what command can i use to get cpu usage of EACH core? |
| 01:17.50 | Spida | bluevapour_: htop? |
| 01:17.56 | shel_len | when I add module paths I get "Failed to load pcidata module" |
| 01:18.04 | bluevapour_ | htop? |
| 01:18.13 | Spida | bluevapour_: h-t-o-p. |
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| 01:18.24 | NickPresta | bluevapour_, aptitude install htop |
| 01:18.28 | bluevapour_ | ok sure thing |
| 01:18.37 | bluevapour_ | Thanks |
| 01:18.56 | bluevapour_ | Oooo that is nice |
| 01:19.22 | bluevapour_ | Also, anyone know any form of preloading application |
| 01:19.31 | shel_len | However, the server works when no module paths are specified. |
| 01:19.38 | bluevapour_ | Something that will load my most commonly used files into memory |
| 01:19.42 | sparr | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/bCD7O389.txt |
| 01:19.51 | \amethyst | bluevapour_: you mean before you use them? |
| 01:19.59 | bluevapour_ | Sortof |
| 01:20.03 | bluevapour_ | But in general just leave them there |
| 01:20.10 | Spida | bluevapour_: cat has been used to do that |
| 01:20.16 | abrotman | sparr: that's freaking useless .. paste the whole thing .. from prompt to prompt |
| 01:20.29 | \amethyst | there is a package called 'preload' that does predictive readahead |
| 01:20.43 | bluevapour_ | That package takes far too long to learn tho |
| 01:20.58 | bluevapour_ | I mean something i can say, "keep iceweasel in ram" "keep this etc in ram" |
| 01:20.59 | sparr | err, ok |
| 01:21.00 | sparr | http://rafb.net/p/Dt16ZL50.txt |
| 01:21.01 | bluevapour_ | It possible? |
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| 01:21.27 | jim | make it a kernel module |
| 01:21.33 | jamon | bluevapour_: look into proc swappiness |
| 01:21.36 | bluevapour_ | Ok sure thing |
| 01:21.40 | Spida | bluevapour_: you don't trust your kernels filesystem-cache? |
| 01:21.45 | Baloo | Hmm, is it possible to forbid multiple versions? |
| 01:21.46 | bluevapour_ | Lol |
| 01:21.49 | abrotman | sparr: so reinstall it .. |
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| 01:21.56 | abrotman | sparr: it's telling that you really really should do that |
| 01:21.56 | sparr | abrotman: cant or wont |
| 01:21.56 | bluevapour_ | Nono its not that, i just want to use ram up |
| 01:21.59 | bluevapour_ | i dont plan on playing games |
| 01:22.07 | jim | if it's kernel space, it never leaves ram... if it's user space, it can |
| 01:22.17 | NickPresta | bluevapour_, your ram will be used when it needs to be. Assuming you have a relatively decent system, you shouldn't have to worry |
| 01:22.30 | bluevapour_ | Yeah, but the idea is things will load faster |
| 01:22.41 | NickPresta | bluevapour_, if you say so |
| 01:22.43 | abrotman | sparr: you can and you will |
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| 01:22.47 | craigevil | bluevapour_: use preload adn prelinking |
| 01:23.00 | streuner | whole generations tried to deal with modern browers, you aren't alone :-P |
| 01:23.15 | Spida | bluevapour_: I have seen "cat file > /dev/zero" to load a file into the filesystem cache |
| 01:23.20 | sparr | abrotman: ill "uninstall" it manually and edit my package statuses, if it comes to that |
| 01:23.29 | bluevapour_ | Nice |
| 01:23.37 | abrotman | sparr: enjoy the pieces |
| 01:24.01 | sparr | i cant reinstall the package, because i have irretrievably broken it |
| 01:24.17 | abrotman | how's that? |
| 01:24.18 | sparr | to the point that the pre-install script fails, and thus the reinstallation fails |
| 01:24.29 | pinto3 | dpkg --force-reinst-required? |
| 01:24.29 | sparr | i would assume it is unhappy with my having deleted some of its config files |
| 01:24.30 | dpkg | i don't know, pinto3 |
| 01:24.35 | pinto3 | :) |
| 01:24.38 | bluevapour_ | i mean im using an amd 4600+ and iceweasel still loads slow firs ttime |
| 01:24.53 | Spida | bluevapour_: what disk? |
| 01:25.11 | pinto3 | or force-remove-reinstreq |
| 01:25.18 | craigevil | bluevapour_: i have a crappy via 1.5 and iceweasel loads in under 5 seconds |
| 01:25.20 | bluevapour_ | ide wester digital 7200rpm 120gig |
| 01:25.22 | NickPresta | bluevapour_, how slow? an extra couple seconds? seems like a lot of work to save small amounts of time. especially if you rarely turn off your computer. once you run the app, you're fine. |
| 01:25.41 | bluevapour_ | Yeah i know, but linux is about getting things perfect that windows cant right:p |
| 01:25.48 | NickPresta | bluevapour_, :) |
| 01:25.57 | Baloo | Can you forbid-version multiple versions of a package? |
| 01:26.09 | bluevapour_ | Finally irqbalance is sharing the interrupts xD |
| 01:26.10 | Baloo | Or is forbid-version only allowed on one version at a time? |
| 01:26.17 | bluevapour_ | Anyways yeah, 5seconds to me is FAR too long |
| 01:26.42 | sparr | thank you pinto3 |
| 01:26.47 | Spida | bluevapour_: date; for i in `seq 1 100`; do cat /usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin > /dev/zero; done; date |
| 01:26.56 | bluevapour_ | Showoff:p |
| 01:27.07 | pinto3 | np, did it work ok? |
| 01:27.14 | sparr | yes |
| 01:27.50 | \amethyst | bluevapour_: you'd probably want to preload the shared libraries it uses, too |
| 01:27.58 | bluevapour_ | Yeeah |
| 01:28.01 | bluevapour_ | Im looking at prelink too |
| 01:28.05 | bluevapour_ | Aparently its dangerous |
| 01:28.11 | blubberdiblub | bluevapour_: well, you could copy iceweasel and all its required libraries onto a ramdisk ;) |
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| 01:28.33 | \amethyst | bluevapour_: yeah, I wouldn't recommend prelink |
| 01:28.51 | Spida | bluevapour_: you can try grml (www.grml.org) with the "toram" bootoption |
| 01:29.01 | bluevapour_ | ill take a look |
| 01:29.06 | Spida | its a live-cd |
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| 01:29.29 | jamon | faster disk never hurt either |
| 01:29.35 | bluevapour_ | Yeah i see its based on debian xD |
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| 01:29.53 | \amethyst | bluevapour_: FF=/usr/lib/iceweasel/firefox-bin; for f in $FF $(ldd $FF | sed -n 's/.* => \(.*\) (.*/\1/p'); do cat $f > /dev/zero; done |
| 01:29.58 | bluevapour_ | Yeah i agree, but im trying to save cash |
| 01:30.13 | \amethyst | err |
| 01:30.20 | \amethyst | it sounds like you're trying to use cache |
| 01:30.21 | bluevapour_ | Amethyst, where did you get that command from lol |
| 01:30.22 | \amethyst | oh |
| 01:30.29 | \amethyst | bluevapour_: wrote it myself |
| 01:30.35 | bluevapour_ | ooo nice |
| 01:30.58 | bluevapour_ | i mean, overall my system isnt bad |
| 01:31.06 | \amethyst | bluevapour_: ldd $FF gets the list of libraries firefox is linked against, and the sed strips all but the filename |
| 01:31.14 | \amethyst | bluevapour_: have you considered using something other than firefox? |
| 01:31.19 | bluevapour_ | 2 weeks im getting q6600, 4gigram, and new mobo upgrade |
| 01:31.22 | bluevapour_ | Ahh yeah i have |
| 01:31.28 | bluevapour_ | But im in love with downthemall |
| 01:31.29 | bluevapour_ | lol |
| 01:31.39 | bluevapour_ | What are the faster alternatives |
| 01:31.40 | sparr | pinto3: is there a channel for help with debian tools not on debian? |
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| 01:32.11 | Spida | noeject halt |
| 01:32.14 | Spida | argl |
| 01:32.16 | Spida | -EWIN |
| 01:32.20 | \amethyst | bluevapour_: epiphany is somewhat lighter weight, and uses the same rendering engine |
| 01:32.30 | bluevapour_ | ahh i see |
| 01:32.38 | \amethyst | err, I guess it won't be using the same rendering engine for too long, since it's switching over to webkit |
| 01:32.47 | Wyzard | was about to mention that too |
| 01:32.54 | \amethyst | bluevapour_: Opera is fast but non-free |
| 01:33.10 | bluevapour_ | yeah |
| 01:33.19 | bluevapour_ | Which would you say was faster in your experiance? |
| 01:33.21 | Wyzard | Epiphany is nice though |
| 01:33.29 | bluevapour_ | Yeah i agree |
| 01:33.31 | bluevapour_ | Fast start up time |
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| 01:33.50 | Galactx | m$$ sucks arse |
| 01:34.08 | dustybin | reiserfs just killed my hard drive |
| 01:34.17 | jamon | bluevapour_: put iceweasel into your DE startup |
| 01:34.24 | jamon | wait 5s once and then just don't close it |
| 01:34.25 | jamon | easy |
| 01:34.26 | Wyzard | Galactx: Are you referring to the SP3 delay today, or more in general? |
| 01:34.50 | amphi | jamon: once it's loaded once, it's cached in any case |
| 01:34.54 | bluevapour_ | Yeah |
| 01:34.56 | Wyzard | dustybin: funny you should say that, since Hans was recently convicted for murder... |
| 01:34.57 | jamon | that's what i mean |
| 01:35.03 | bluevapour_ | We are talking, system starts up, preloads all the applications of my choice |
| 01:35.03 | jamon | just do it when you boot and forget about it |
| 01:35.09 | Galactx | dustybin mmm... no surpise as Hans Reiser has been found guilty the other day |
| 01:35.10 | dustybin | Wyzard: :P |
| 01:35.14 | amphi | jamon: so there's no harm in closing it |
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| 01:35.43 | jamon | i've had a browser open for more than 30 days |
| 01:35.48 | dustybin | can too much linux make you go insane? o_0 |
| 01:35.51 | bluevapour_ | Jesus |
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| 01:36.25 | Galactx | Wyzard both... |
| 01:36.31 | dustybin | lol it funny how everyone is trying dam hardest to keep XP alive |
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| 01:36.49 | bluevapour_ | Its a good operating system |
| 01:37.01 | bluevapour_ | Or more the fact i think that its successor isnt appreciated as much |
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| 01:37.11 | Wyzard | I don't know if I'd call it "good", but I use it for games, and I see no need to upgrade to Vista |
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| 01:37.16 | dustybin | bluevapour_: thats more like it |
| 01:37.27 | Galactx | XP is a pice of scheise, period |
| 01:37.48 | bluevapour_ | Yeah, i like XP if im honest, hasnt ever not done something ive wanted |
| 01:37.49 | blubberdiblub | lol |
| 01:37.51 | dustybin | XP is the cause of the worlds spam problem |
| 01:37.55 | bluevapour_ | Except configuration |
| 01:38.18 | bluevapour_ | I find its lack of security and fool proof direction annoying tho |
| 01:38.26 | Galactx | XP don't have CLI |
| 01:38.27 | shel_len | Can anyone tell me the compiled in ModulePath for the xserver 7.2-5 ? |
| 01:38.32 | dustybin | if windows was unix based, would there be as much spam as we get now? |
| 01:38.39 | dustybin | anyway back on topic... |
| 01:39.08 | Galactx | nothing open sauce |
| 01:39.11 | bluevapour_ | Same with alot of soft devs, they all make programs that make programs easier than it is to code them from scratch, so you get these 1 click website generators etc that put webdevs for example out of work |
| 01:39.17 | Galactx | nothing beats open sauce |
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| 01:39.40 | Wyzard | Galactx: except soy sauce, of course |
| 01:39.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | shel_len, perhaps try #xorg |
| 01:40.17 | Galactx | prefers balsamic vinegar |
| 01:40.47 | Wyzard | shel_len: xorg modules in Debian are in /usr/lib/xorg/modules -- is that what you're looking for? |
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| 01:42.18 | sparr | why would apt stop a large install after one package errors, instead of continuing all the other non-dependent packages? |
| 01:44.52 | blubberdiblub | maybe because it could be a more serious error that's worth to fix first before continuing |
| 01:46.20 | shel_len | Wyzard, yes thanks |
| 01:46.25 | bluevapour_ | does irqbalance start up automatically with debian once installed? |
| 01:46.28 | nse | I am wondering if it's very hard to install Debian in a computer remotely. I need to set up a webserver |
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| 01:47.04 | bluevapour_ | how do i add startup entries to linux |
| 01:47.37 | Wyzard | bluevapour: yes, it does |
| 01:47.56 | Wyzard | bluevapour: and I think it might be built into recent kernels (though I'm not sure of that) |
| 01:48.06 | Wyzard | in which case the package would be unnecessary |
| 01:48.22 | benjamindees | nse, depends on what the computer is running currently and whether you have someone with local access |
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| 01:54.30 | nse | benjamindees: initially I have something like http://www.hostgator.com/dedicated.shtml but this can change |
| 01:54.42 | nse | do you have an opinion? |
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| 01:59.46 | blubberdiblub | nse: either get their support to preinstall a basic debian for you or use their web interface if they have one and it supports selecting os. or get a provider that preinstalls debian by default |
| 01:59.50 | benjamindees | debian is easy to install over any other linux; I assume freebsd is similar |
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| 02:00.18 | techrush | the freeBSD install is nothing like the debian install |
| 02:00.24 | techrush | in my opinion anyways |
| 02:00.38 | techrush | its not hard or anything but its a little clunky |
| 02:00.49 | benjamindees | to install over fbsd I meant |
| 02:00.59 | techrush | oh right sorry |
| 02:01.22 | benjamindees | we're all debian users here, right? ahem... |
| 02:01.34 | NickPresta | benjamindees, in a sense ;) |
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| 02:02.34 | benjamindees | nse, regardless, that's kind of a lot to pay for a server with no support |
| 02:04.42 | NickPresta | nse, does it have to be dedicated? What about a VPS? |
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| 02:05.23 | Wyzard | vpslink.com has unmanaged VPS that aren't too expensive |
| 02:05.36 | nvz | o.O my synergy client says its connected to me but I can't control it.. |
| 02:05.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | i am stunned how much of the debian archive is arch=all. i have a mirror of etch, 4 arches, its 35gb |
| 02:05.52 | Wyzard | (unmanaged means no cPanel and preinstalled junk, just root and the ability to install packages -- which is what I'd prefer anyway) |
| 02:06.06 | NickPresta | If you're interested in vps and awesome, reliable support: http://www.networkredux.com/vps.html |
| 02:06.59 | Wyzard | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, much of the biggest stuff is platform-independent data files like graphics and documentation |
| 02:07.43 | blubberdiblub | and a bit of portable scripting languages |
| 02:08.18 | benjamindees | er, but that means the minimal install is 200 megs instead of 80 :p |
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| 02:10.34 | DaRtH_VaDeR | :( somebody knows how to configure a g-pen ? i mean, a table mouse :| |
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| 02:19.25 | benjamindees | hmm, speaking of, I think I've forgotten the name of my hosting provider... |
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| 02:21.36 | abrotman | where'd all the aussies go darn it |
| 02:21.51 | nse | would it be a good idea to buy a computer and work with it as a webserver at home? |
| 02:22.23 | NickPresta | nse, that is an option. Many people do it, especially if you're running a low traffic site. |
| 02:22.29 | benjamindees | nse, no; don't you have an old computer laying around? |
| 02:23.06 | NickPresta | well, not buy, find old computers people want to throw away, etc |
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| 02:24.34 | benjamindees | heh, they don't appear to have billed me in the last year or so... |
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| 02:25.49 | nse | benjamindees: I am talking about a hard-traffic website! |
| 02:26.47 | benjamindees | nse, then you should learn to be frugal with your computing resources ;) |
| 02:27.39 | nse | because my friend actually pay a very big amount of money to host his website |
| 02:28.01 | nse | and I am totally capable of setting a machine to do it properly via Debian + Apache2 |
| 02:28.32 | nse | and as he has the money, he can buy the computer to use as a server. is this a common situation? |
| 02:28.39 | bluevapour_ | how do i add a program to start when linux starts |
| 02:28.56 | dondelelcaro | nse: yeah, it's not that unusual |
| 02:29.08 | dondelelcaro | nse: the hardware actually isn't a big deal though, it's the hosting that's the expense. |
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| 02:29.27 | dondelelcaro | (I mean, you can easily get a massive 2U server for under 1.5K) |
| 02:29.47 | dondelelcaro | wheras the network connectivity that calls for such a beast will cost more than 1.5K a month |
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| 02:30.02 | lkthomas_ | hey guys |
| 02:31.56 | blubberdiblub | bluevapour_: in debian i would write an init script that goes into /etc/init.d/ and then create a symlink from /etc/rc<runlevel>.d/S<number>name to the script to tell it when and for which runlevel(s) it should be started. but if you're about a debian package, maybe you should first check if it already provides such a start script. maybe look into /etc/default/ for a corresponding config file that enables startup |
| 02:32.17 | bluevapour_ | oki |
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| 02:34.10 | nvz | damn, who knew "chown -R nvz:nvz /home/nvz/" could take so long.. |
| 02:34.41 | blubberdiblub | !tell bluevapour_ -about sysvinit |
| 02:34.50 | nvz | I was scripting and came across a permission deined somewhere in my homedir so I figured I had better make sure I own everything :-P |
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| 02:38.07 | blubberdiblub | bluevapour_: and if you want to put your own script into /etc/init.d/ i suggest you use at least one capital letter in its name or some other means to make sure it will never clash with names installed by debian packages |
| 02:38.24 | bluevapour_ | oki |
| 02:38.35 | bluevapour_ | Ill get cracking on that now |
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| 02:43.31 | blubberdiblub | bluevapour_: oh, and you can use /etc/init.d/skeleton as a kind of template if you like |
| 02:43.52 | bluevapour_ | OKi doki |
| 02:44.06 | bluevapour_ | how long will it take to add for example irqbalance |
| 02:44.09 | bluevapour_ | is it a simple process? |
| 02:44.31 | blubberdiblub | i'm not into that sorry |
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| 02:45.38 | blubberdiblub | bluevapour_: are you really sure the package doesn't already provide an init script? |
| 02:45.54 | bluevapour_ | how would i know |
| 02:45.58 | bluevapour_ | i do see it |
| 02:46.08 | bluevapour_ | in the init.d |
| 02:46.22 | blubberdiblub | dpkg -L irqbalance | grep /etc/init.d |
| 02:46.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching irqbalance | grep /etc/init.d |
| 02:46.51 | blubberdiblub | dpkg: i didn't mean you ;P |
| 02:46.51 | dpkg | blubberdiblub: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:48.43 | blubberdiblub | bluevapour_: http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/irqbalance/filelist - so it already has an initscript. no need to write one yourself |
| 02:48.57 | bluevapour_ | Ahh awsome |
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| 02:50.58 | blubberdiblub | it's quite usual for debian packages that install daemon-like things to provide a working init script and to have it enabled for startup by default ;) |
| 02:51.13 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | hmm |
| 02:51.24 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | THink it would be ok if I mounted /dev/random as a readonly block device? |
| 02:51.38 | jamiejackson | i looked at a modprobe.d explanation page, but i can't completely figure out what this line would do in /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper: "install ndiswrapper modprobe -r ohci_hcd ssb; modprobe --ignore-install ndiswrapper $CMDLINE_OPTS; modprobe ohci_hcd" |
| 02:51.38 | jamiejackson | First segment: does it mean that ohci_hcd & ssb are removed from the kernel whenever ndiswrapper is added? |
| 02:52.27 | Wyzard | GhostlyDeath: /dev/random isn't a block device at all |
| 02:52.56 | benjamindees | GhostlyDeath|Lpt, probably not, since it's a character device |
| 02:53.21 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | well loop device |
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| 02:55.09 | blubberdiblub | jamiejackson: yes, it looks like it unloads ohci_hcd and ssb modules, then loads the ndiswrapper module (while preventing going through the config file again, so it doesn't recurse indefinitely), and then reinserts the ohci_hcd module. |
| 02:55.12 | benjamindees | GhostlyDeath|Lpt, 'dd if=/dev/random of=~/myrandomdevice bs=512 count=10M && mkdir /mnt/random && mount -oro,loop ~/myrandomdevice /mnt/random' or why would you want to do that? |
| 02:55.30 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | benjamindees: bored |
| 02:56.06 | jamiejackson | oohhhhhh, blubberdiblub, that quick explanation clears everything up, i think |
| 02:56.26 | benjamindees | if you're bored, track down the regression in wine bug #8069; should be fairly simple |
| 02:56.45 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | I use an older version of WINE because the latest one is too buggy\ |
| 02:56.55 | benjamindees | that should make it easier :p |
| 02:57.30 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | dding from /dev/random is slow... |
| 02:57.34 | jamiejackson | oh, one more thing, i've never done it, i don't think, but when ndiswrapper is installed to the kernel, there can be some config options, so the second segement includes those for you? |
| 02:57.43 | jamiejackson | ^ for blubberdiblub |
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| 02:58.58 | blubberdiblub | jamiejackson: yes, it looks like it will carry over the command line options you gave to modprobe ndiswrapper (or in a config file in /etc/modprobe.d/ ) |
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| 02:59.21 | jamiejackson | brilliant, i'm all sorted, thanks!! |
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| 03:00.09 | justnuts | if i were tp install debian to run in serial console mode and remove the graphics card ... will the pc be able to startup without a graphics display? eg setting the bios to not halt on anything |
| 03:01.30 | Wyzard | justnuts: probably, but it depends on the BIOS |
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| 03:03.14 | CompWizrd | justnuts, i used to do that on a pentium 75 or so machine at home.. didn't need even serial console.. though it was a pain when the machine needed servicing |
| 03:03.20 | CompWizrd | but debian itself shouldn't care |
| 03:06.29 | justnuts | wyzard: agree i'll give it a try tonite with the bios setting ..re: i have a p4 mobo, cpu, ram .. -agp card.. i dun think i wanna buy an agp just for tat ..thx guys |
| 03:06.41 | benjamindees | I don't recall seeing a mb that halted on no display |
| 03:07.08 | Wyzard | I've noticed something odd recently and I'm not quite sure how to troubleshoot it... in the GNOME "Power Management Preferences" window, the "put display to sleep when inactive for:" setting is at 40 minutes, but in reality it takes more than 2 hours before the monitor goes into powersave |
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| 03:07.38 | Wyzard | justnuts: You could get a cheap PCI video card as an alternative |
| 03:08.08 | Wyzard | justnuts: There are inexpensive low-end ones made for machines like servers that don't need things like 3D acceleration |
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| 03:09.54 | Wyzard | ...actually, apparently even the cheap ones do 3D these days |
| 03:10.13 | Wyzard | justnuts: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+1069609642+4025&Configurator=&Subcategory=48&description=&Ntk=&srchInDesc= |
| 03:11.07 | Wyzard | The cheapest one there is a Radeon 7000, which has a good free driver, I think |
| 03:11.22 | Wyzard | not that you'd probably be doing graphics on it anyway |
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| 03:16.56 | jamiejackson | is there a syntax for installing multiple modules fromthe same modprobe command? |
| 03:17.16 | Gorbulas | does anyone know why gnome might corrupt my keyboard map? if I launch Xephyr on my MacBook(MacOSX) and ssh forward Gnome from my iBook(Debian) my keyboard types like I moved all the keys around in some patern |
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| 03:17.42 | n3kl | What is the best pci wireless compatibility for linux? |
| 03:18.12 | Gorbulas | check linux-wireless |
| 03:18.29 | justnuts | wyzard: cheers :) |
| 03:18.58 | beerNcoffee | gnight |
| 03:19.14 | jamiejackson | -a --all Insert all module names on the command line. <-- is it this? i don't understand the description sentence: modprobe -a module1 module2 ? |
| 03:19.25 | Gorbulas | actually that's not a good idea. linuxwireless lists only b43 cards |
| 03:19.52 | jamiejackson | bah, b43 cards. that's why i'm here |
| 03:20.08 | Gorbulas | my b43 card is working on Lenny |
| 03:20.33 | jamiejackson | mines working too, but it's a bit nasty on ubuntu right now |
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| 03:20.49 | Gorbulas | I don't use it though because the iBook is functioning as a server and it sits next to my router |
| 03:20.51 | jamiejackson | trying to develop a good universal fix for a bug ubuntu's got |
| 03:21.33 | jamiejackson | my last question was poorly written: is this valid syntax for loading multiple modules? modprobe -a module1 module2 |
| 03:21.47 | Gorbulas | doesn't modprobe take module arguments? |
| 03:22.19 | jamiejackson | yes, gorbulas |
| 03:22.36 | jamiejackson | i think you're saying no on the multiple modules, huh? |
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| 03:22.50 | justnuts | wyzard: for added security ..i wonder if i can disable keyboard and mouse input and only have serial console + ssh access for my vm server ... the windows admins should be stunned by it |
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| 03:23.34 | Gorbulas | you can disable root login on the local terminals |
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| 03:24.21 | Gorbulas | actually you can disable all local terminals and gdm |
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| 03:24.53 | Wyzard | I don't know if it's possible to disable the *keyboard*, but you can disable the gettys which provide the login prompts |
| 03:24.53 | Gorbulas | there's a file in /etc the launches login prompts |
| 03:25.02 | Wyzard | /etc/inittab |
| 03:25.37 | Wyzard | and you could run something else on the text console instead like a bandwidth monitor or system status monitor or something |
| 03:25.54 | Wyzard | which would come up at boot time and run permanently |
| 03:25.58 | Gorbulas | put a message telling people to go away |
| 03:26.12 | justnuts | ah icic .. interesting |
| 03:26.16 | Gorbulas | or an ascii art picture |
| 03:26.18 | blubberdiblub | run bb ;) |
| 03:27.18 | Gorbulas | use mplayer's frame buffer output |
| 03:27.44 | blubberdiblub | or aaxine :) |
| 03:28.13 | justnuts | Gorbulas: i like that idea. i'm trying to make my box as secure as sanely possible. wat r ur tots on encrypted fs?? re: prevent people from stealing the box (unlikely) and mounting the drives and extracting corporate info |
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| 03:29.03 | Gorbulas | I don't have any corporate info on my server |
| 03:29.03 | justnuts | especially laptops = real nightmare |
| 03:29.40 | Wyzard | justnuts: That's well-supported by Debian (you can set up encrypted filesystems in the installer) with a system that involves typing a passphrase on the keyboard at boot time |
| 03:29.50 | Gorbulas | it might be a good idea if your computer can be stolen |
| 03:29.58 | Wyzard | justnuts: so you'd need a video card and connected keyboard/monitor if you go that route |
| 03:30.01 | Gorbulas | I have bigger problems if somebody steals my server |
| 03:30.20 | Gorbulas | and somebody to type in the password |
| 03:30.37 | Gorbulas | unless you use the serial number or something |
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| 03:30.57 | Wyzard | LUKS lets you define multiple passwords (up to ten, I think) for an encrypted volume |
| 03:31.13 | Wyzard | so if there are several people authorized to boot the machine, each can have his/her own password |
| 03:31.33 | Wyzard | and if he/she quits, you can just clear out that password slot without forcing the others to learn a new password |
| 03:31.47 | justnuts | can't the encryption be at kernel level? ie u can only access the data if u'd loaded ur pc with the specific kernel. this will remove the need for keyboard passphrasiing. if u mount it ... u wont be able to read it |
| 03:32.00 | benjamindees | surely there is no need to encrypt the root drive; just encrypt the 'corporate info' |
| 03:32.27 | Gorbulas | but the kernel is on the drive |
| 03:32.30 | Wyzard | justnuts: That's not secure; if the secret to accessing the encrypted data is within the kernel, an attacker could extract it from the kernel |
| 03:32.31 | justnuts | i do know the /boot can't be encrypted ..anything else is possible |
| 03:32.46 | justnuts | wyzard: icic ... agree |
| 03:33.14 | Gorbulas | you should disable root logins on ssh and use sudo |
| 03:33.17 | Wyzard | justnuts: If the computer is a TPM chip, then in principle you can store the crypto key there, and have it released to the OS only after validating that the bootloader/kernel/etc. haven't been tampered with |
| 03:33.36 | Wyzard | justnuts: but that requires support from the bootloader (e.g. GRUB), and it can't do that yet |
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| 03:33.55 | Wyzard | oops... *has* a TPM chip, not *is* one :-) |
| 03:34.05 | nvz | accidentally unplugged the pc |
| 03:34.19 | Gorbulas | you should be able to do that in the kernel |
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| 03:34.31 | Gorbulas | check the machine state, unlock the passphrase |
| 03:34.51 | Wyzard | no, the bootloader has to check the kernel before loading it |
| 03:35.35 | justnuts | hmm .. looks like i'll need to go back to the drawing board and think about this ... i'll come back in a few days and cont the discussion |
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| 03:36.19 | justnuts | thx guys ... gtg back to work |
| 03:36.24 | jamon | encrypt your home and swap on a removable device? |
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| 03:36.40 | Wyzard | The way trusted booting works is that the TPM has a sort of appendable hash feature, where you feed it data and it updates a hash register, so that the hash register reflects all the bytes that have been fed to it so far |
| 03:36.42 | jamon | or put /boot on bootable device and use that to boot the system? |
| 03:36.50 | Wyzard | and you can store a key to be released only when the hash register contains a certain value |
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| 03:37.16 | Wyzard | so something at startup feeds the BIOS code to the TPM |
| 03:37.37 | Wyzard | and the BIOS feeds the hard drive's bootsector to the TPM, and the bootsector (GRUB's stage1) feeds GRUB's stage2 to the TPM |
| 03:37.48 | Wyzard | and stage2 feeds the kernel and initramfs before starting the kernel running |
| 03:38.06 | justnuts | i think work can wait ... i'm hooked on this discussion |
| 03:38.14 | Wyzard | and all those things being hashed into the TPM produces the correct value in the hash register, so that the TPM will cough up the crypto key when the kernel asks for it |
| 03:38.35 | Wyzard | Any modification to any of those components yields a different hash result, so the TPM won't relinquish the key |
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| 03:39.23 | Wyzard | The kernel has TPM support, and any machine with a TPM chip should have the necessary BIOS support, but GRUB is not (yet) able to perform its role in that process |
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| 03:39.36 | justnuts | Wyzard: will lilo do it? |
| 03:39.40 | Wyzard | nope |
| 03:39.51 | Nyle | good evening people |
| 03:40.30 | Wyzard | There's a fork of GRUB with TPM support, but I think it's meant as a proof of concept rather than something production-quality |
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| 03:40.39 | Wyzard | and that's the only Linux bootloader I know of with any TPM support at all |
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| 03:41.05 | Wyzard | I'm hoping the capability gets incorporated into mainstream GRUB |
| 03:41.16 | Nyle | !tpm |
| 03:41.24 | Nyle | thats that mac stuff inint? |
| 03:41.24 | Wyzard | since my laptop has a TPM and I'd like to be able to do something useful with it |
| 03:41.36 | Wyzard | Macs have them, but so do a number of other machines |
| 03:41.38 | Nyle | i heard some hackintosh people talk about it |
| 03:41.38 | Wyzard | like Thinkpads |
| 03:41.49 | Nyle | like install macosx on a custom ibm clone |
| 03:41.58 | Nyle | aka intel based pc thats NOT a mac |
| 03:42.17 | Wyzard | Vista supports full-disk encryption (BitLocker) using (afaik) the scheme I described a minute ago |
| 03:42.28 | Dunedan | [05:41:36] <Wyzard> Macs have them, but so do a number of other machines <- only the first generation of intel macs got a tpm-chip. recent macs doesn't have these chip anymore. |
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| 03:42.38 | Wyzard | hmm, that's surprising |
| 03:43.01 | Dunedan | And Apple never used that chip. |
| 03:43.17 | justnuts | if we change the scenario abit ... is it possible to have the kernel to request a key off TPM and use it to decrypt the fs. this will mean /boot will not be encyrpted . but at least if TPM chokes out a wrong key on another machine. the fs is still safe |
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| 03:43.53 | justnuts | hmmm i think i just made a blunder |
| 03:44.11 | r0b | can someone help me with setting gtkrc-2.0 in fluxbox to change icons in thunar im not having much luck getting them to change, i got the gtk theme to change but cant seem to get the icons to change |
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| 03:44.24 | Wyzard | justnuts: /boot isn't encrypted -- it can't be |
| 03:45.09 | Wyzard | justnuts: but if someone replaces your kernel with a modified one (e.g. with code to divulge all your secrets), that modified kernel won't be able to get the decryption key from the TPM |
| 03:46.03 | benjamindees | justnuts, if you just want to protect against the machine/drive being stolen, encrypt a partition with a key stored on another server in the network. |
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| 03:46.39 | Wyzard | better watch that network share pretty closely though |
| 03:46.56 | Wyzard | It'd be safer to keep the key on a removable USB device which gets plugged in at boot time and then removed and stored in a safe place |
| 03:47.16 | justnuts | should be ok if we ssh for the key |
| 03:47.17 | Wyzard | but currently, I think Debian's encrypted-root support only supports for prompting for a passphrase at the console |
| 03:47.36 | Wyzard | justnuts: then you need a passphrase or key to SSH with |
| 03:47.37 | benjamindees | like I said, there's no reason to encrypt root |
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| 03:48.01 | Wyzard | justnuts: and storing that somewhere that's accessible at boot time is no better than storing the disk's key directly |
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| 03:49.00 | benjamindees | store it on a smart card that's permanantly attached; and fetch the key via challenge/response mechanism |
| 03:49.37 | Wyzard | How does the smartcard know that the kernel requesting the key is a trustworthy one? |
| 03:49.48 | benjamindees | I mean, you really only want to protect against someone grabbing the box and leaving with it |
| 03:50.20 | justnuts | especially laptops |
| 03:50.27 | jamon | storing the key anywhere outside your head is always gonna have some kind of drawback |
| 03:50.55 | justnuts | i'm using truecrypt on my laptop ...but i think that's too much for the average person to handle |
| 03:50.59 | Wyzard | quite true |
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| 03:51.48 | Wyzard | justnuts: That prompts for a passphrase at boot time, doesn't it? |
| 03:52.38 | justnuts | ya it can be at boot time if u wish to |
| 03:53.08 | Wyzard | I'm not sure I understand that answer |
| 03:53.17 | Wyzard | It has an option of prompting at some other time besides boot time? |
| 03:53.19 | justnuts | i just have a bunch of truecrypted files and decrypt them when i need them ...usually dev virtual machines |
| 03:53.33 | Wyzard | oh, I see, you're not doing whole-disk encryption with it |
| 03:53.34 | meff | how can i install the new 2.6.25 pkg? it says kbuild for it is missing or whatnot |
| 03:53.50 | Wyzard | There's a 2.6.25 package? |
| 03:54.05 | meff | yes from my update 10 mins ago |
| 03:54.21 | meff | linux-2.6 (2.6.25-1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 03:54.39 | Wyzard | hey, cool, there is |
| 03:54.56 | justnuts | wyzard:i run truecrypt in windows ... in linux i think u can at boot time ... i;m not very sure with linux as i didn;t use them |
| 03:55.29 | Wyzard | justnuts: It can do whole-disk encryption in Windows too, with (I assume) a boot-time passphrase |
| 03:55.44 | Wyzard | I just didn't realize it could create encrypted volumes too |
| 03:56.44 | benjamindees | Wyzard, wrt the smart card, I meant to put the smart card on the headless box, and require the smartcard key to fetch the remote key; that way it doesn't get stolen off the network server unless it's by someone who already has access to the headless box. |
| 03:57.02 | jim | is anyone coming up with a way to do lvm under windows? |
| 03:57.05 | Wyzard | oh, I see |
| 03:57.10 | justnuts | wyzard: ya very easy to move them around espciallly when they are in a file. nohting to fear when u loose ur thumbdrive ... |
| 03:57.21 | benjamindees | obviously it's useless for laptops |
| 03:57.27 | jim | better than losing your thumb... |
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| 03:57.56 | justnuts | sry guys ... i have to go into a meeting ..c ya and thx a lot |
| 04:00.44 | benjamindees | hmm, I wonder if they have smart rfid's |
| 04:02.26 | jamon | rfid and smart don't typically fit in the sentence imo |
| 04:03.06 | cafuego | eating an rfid chip is not smart |
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| 04:03.46 | benjamindees | obviously there are contactless smart cards; I'm just wondering if they can be the size of a grain of dust or whatever like RFIDs can |
| 04:03.48 | Wyzard | cafuego: Why would someone eat an RFID chip? |
| 04:04.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | so they dont lose themself? |
| 04:05.46 | Wyzard | although, speaking of RFID and food, apparently there's a grocery store in Germany that uses RFID tags on all the inventory, so you can just walk out the door and the sensors will bill you for what's in your cart |
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| 04:06.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | Wyzard, there is. they didnt bother to write protect the rfids either |
| 04:06.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | s/either// |
| 04:06.41 | benjamindees | $0.25 steaks? |
| 04:06.43 | Wyzard | yep, which led to an amusing story |
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| 04:06.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | benjamindees, $15 laptops |
| 04:07.04 | Wyzard | As a proof-of-concept, someone bought a package of cream cheese from that store, and then went to a hotel that used RFID for the locks on the suite doors |
| 04:07.19 | Wyzard | and cloned the hotel key onto the cream-cheese package, and opened his hotel room door by waving the cream cheese at it |
| 04:07.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | lols |
| 04:07.30 | benjamindees | heh |
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| 04:08.57 | gregorovius | Hi... I just installed lenny. it seems to have gnome 2.22, but it doesn't seem to be using gvfs, the clock applet looks like the old one... could anyone explain why is this? |
| 04:10.49 | snogglethorpe | gregorovius: is there a new clock applet? |
| 04:11.03 | netdaemon | snogglethorpe: the world clock thingy |
| 04:11.05 | snogglethorpe | gregorovius: gnome's had the old text-only applet as long as I can remember... |
| 04:11.19 | gregorovius | current in lenny is 2.20, not 2.22 |
| 04:11.30 | gregorovius | seems odd to have gnome 2.22 except for the clock :S |
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| 04:11.58 | Wyzard | well, new GNOME packages tend to come in incrementally as they become available |
| 04:12.04 | Wyzard | not the entire GNOME release all-at-once |
| 04:12.30 | \amethyst | gregorovius: the panel is 2.20 |
| 04:12.38 | Wyzard | but sid has the 2.20 clock too, as well as the 2.20 panel and 2.20 nautilus |
| 04:12.40 | \amethyst | gregorovius: (in sid and lenny) |
| 04:12.48 | Wyzard | so I'd say 2.22 is not "in Debian" yet |
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| 04:13.02 | TaylorKarras | Hi |
| 04:13.08 | gregorovius | but 'about gnome' shows 2.22.1 |
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| 04:13.21 | gregorovius | oh, it's not in Sid either? |
| 04:13.23 | BENSON | BENSON IS HERE |
| 04:13.28 | BENSON | BENSON IS SUPERIOR TO ALL OF YOU |
| 04:13.33 | Wyzard | although: http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-2.22-status.html |
| 04:13.35 | BENSON | BENSON WILL STEAL YOUR PANCAKES |
| 04:13.36 | \amethyst | gregorovius: because lenny and sid have version 2.22 of gnome-about :) |
| 04:13.38 | BENSON | REAL MEN TYPE IN CAPS |
| 04:13.39 | netdaemon | Wyzard: not only the fact that any changes to gnome are usually suttle and not crucial anyways |
| 04:13.54 | Wyzard | That makes it look like most of the stuff has been updated already |
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| 04:14.11 | BENSON | BENSON WELCOMES YOU! |
| 04:14.17 | gregorovius | heh, \amethyst |
| 04:15.02 | BENSON | WORSHIP ME! BENSON |
| 04:15.17 | elif | hi, There is manpages (or a way to generate from info) for freeglut3-doc ? |
| 04:15.29 | Wyzard | apparently gnome-panel and nautilus are among the few 2.22 things that haven't migrated to unstable yet... looks like I was unlucky in my choice of what to check :-) |
| 04:15.35 | elif | I search for package but no lucky. |
| 04:15.54 | JyZyXEL | i wonder which editor has used more man hours Vim or Emacs |
| 04:15.58 | BENSON | EMACS!!! |
| 04:16.01 | JyZyXEL | OMG |
| 04:16.04 | Wyzard | uses both |
| 04:16.09 | gregorovius | after years of other distros, I forgot stuff in debian has to compile for 15 archs... |
| 04:16.21 | BENSON | WHY YOU NOT TALKING ABOUT BENSON |
| 04:16.24 | BENSON | TALK ABOUT BENSON |
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| 04:16.27 | BENSON | BOW DOWN TO ME |
| 04:16.32 | nevyn | gregorovius: doesn't HAVE to. |
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| 04:16.41 | JyZyXEL | how bout medical bills? :-D |
| 04:16.43 | nevyn | !ops BENSON is self aggrandising |
| 04:16.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nevyn complains about: BENSON is self aggrandising |
| 04:17.19 | JyZyXEL | how much money has gone into treating the Espace Metal Alt Control Shift carpel tunnel |
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| 04:17.26 | nevyn | gregorovius: not nessicarilly |
| 04:17.26 | BENSON | SO. WHO HERE WORSHIPS BENSONISM! |
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| 04:17.38 | nevyn | gregorovius: your app can support specific archs. |
| 04:17.44 | Wyzard | gregorovius: As an i386/amd64-only user I'm not sure whether I really consider that a good thing, but the HPPA support did come in handy once a few years ago |
| 04:17.51 | nevyn | and some stuff is just nonsense on some arcs |
| 04:18.02 | nevyn | eg anything involving sound.. for S390 |
| 04:18.21 | CompWizrd | nevyn: what, a punch card reader can't play music??? |
| 04:18.24 | BENSON | STOP WITH THE TECHNOBABBEL AND WORSHIP ME!!! |
| 04:18.24 | gregorovius | well, seeing parts of gnome 2.22 isn't in testing because it's not building for some archs... |
| 04:18.24 | nevyn | s/arcs/archs/ |
| 04:18.32 | BENSON | BENSON!!! |
| 04:19.19 | TaylorKarras | be quiet please |
| 04:19.36 | Wyzard | testing lags significantly on things sometimes |
| 04:19.36 | gregorovius | isn't there a nvidia kernel in lenny? m-a auto-install nvidia is failing |
| 04:19.44 | nevyn | !ops BENSON is engaging in religious lambasting. |
| 04:19.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nevyn complains about: BENSON is engaging in religious lambasting. |
| 04:19.51 | Wyzard | gregorovius: nope, there isn't... I was about to comment on that |
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| 04:20.17 | BENSON | OPS CANNOT STOP BENSON |
| 04:20.19 | Wyzard | gregorovius: It used to be that either the etch nvidia nor the sid nvidia were compatible with the xorg in lenny |
| 04:20.20 | BENSON | BENSON STOPS OPS |
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| 04:20.29 | gregorovius | what's the proper way to get the propietary drivers then? |
| 04:20.39 | Wyzard | gregorovius: I've been told that the sid nvidia should now work with lenny's xorg, though I haven't confirmed that myself |
| 04:20.54 | Wyzard | If that's the case, I'd expect nvidia to move to lenny, but that apparently hasn't happened |
| 04:20.59 | Wyzard | Just grab the .debs from unstable |
| 04:21.01 | mick_laptop | thankfully there is /ignore :) |
| 04:21.14 | nevyn | CompWizrd: of course it can.. but there's no dsp driver to punchcard adapter |
| 04:21.41 | CompWizrd | someone should ask IBM to code one up.. i wonder what their s390 support division would think of that request. |
| 04:21.45 | gregorovius | can I dist-upgrade to sid? |
| 04:21.52 | nevyn | CompWizrd: and the problem with such a hack is getting hardware to test your driver on. |
| 04:22.00 | CompWizrd | maybe a good april fools request |
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| 04:22.04 | mick_laptop | how can i get my usb wireless logitech mouse to work? it uses RF (not bluetooth) |
| 04:22.13 | BENSON | WORSHIP BENSON! |
| 04:22.14 | nevyn | gregorovius: yes you can the question is should you? |
| 04:22.17 | BENSON | THEN YOUR MOUSE WILL WORK |
| 04:22.19 | BENSON | LIKE BENSON |
| 04:22.55 | TaylorKarras | mick_laptop: You have drivers |
| 04:23.11 | TaylorKarras | ? |
| 04:23.13 | gregorovius | why shouldn't I, nevyn? as far as I remember, stuff didn't broke often |
| 04:23.14 | Wyzard | gregorovius: If you want to, but you shouldn't upgrade your entire system just for the sake of a video driver |
| 04:23.19 | mick_laptop | TaylorKarras: serious? |
| 04:23.20 | netdaemon | mick_laptop: my mouse works just by plugging it in |
| 04:23.30 | mick_laptop | netdaemon: i wish mine did that |
| 04:23.32 | mick_laptop | :) |
| 04:23.34 | TaylorKarras | mick_laptop: Yeah |
| 04:23.45 | BENSON | WHY YOU NOT FOLLOWING ADVICE??? |
| 04:23.48 | Wyzard | mick_laptop: I'm using a cordless RF Logitech mouse (MX Revolution, specifically) and I didn't have to do anything more than plug it in |
| 04:23.51 | BENSON | WORSHIP BENSON DAMNIT!!! |
| 04:23.58 | mick_laptop | TaylorKarras: shouldn't i just apt-gat install adriver :) |
| 04:24.08 | TaylorKarras | mick_laptop: Yes but |
| 04:24.18 | TaylorKarras | mick_laptop: Shouldn't there be a linux Logitech driver? |
| 04:24.21 | TaylorKarras | For mouses |
| 04:24.22 | nevyn | mick_laptop: it's just a usb HID device |
| 04:24.29 | Wyzard | mick_laptop: The fact that it's RF is irrelevant to the OS |
| 04:24.52 | Wyzard | as nevyn said, a USB mouse is a USB mouse |
| 04:24.55 | TaylorKarras | That's what I'm saying. There are supposed to be drivers to enable RF usage. |
| 04:24.58 | TaylorKarras | Within the OS |
| 04:25.05 | BENSON | FORGET RF |
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| 04:25.12 | BENSON | WORSHIP BENSON! |
| 04:25.13 | Wyzard | The OS doesn't know or care that there's RF involved between the mouse and the receiver |
| 04:25.17 | BENSON | STEAL PANCAKES!!! |
| 04:25.25 | Wyzard | It just talks to the receiver using the USB HID interface |
| 04:25.26 | gregorovius | I don't know if I'm not looking in the right places, but I'm not finding documentation easily... installing nvidia drivers should be a snap to find... |
| 04:25.34 | TaylorKarras | Wyzard: Then you need to configure it to know that there's RF |
| 04:25.41 | Wyzard | no you don't |
| 04:25.57 | \amethyst | TaylorKarras: the Windows drivers' are |
| 04:26.04 | TaylorKarras | yeah? |
| 04:26.10 | \amethyst | TaylorKarras: the Windows drivers are mostly for rebinding the extra buttons |
| 04:26.19 | TaylorKarras | Oh. |
| 04:26.21 | Wyzard | The OS does not talk to the mouse and does not need to know anything about RF |
| 04:26.27 | \amethyst | maybe for allowing the OS to change the channel |
| 04:26.28 | TaylorKarras | Then there must be something interfearing with the RF |
| 04:26.31 | Wyzard | As far as the OS can tell, the receiver is the mouse |
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| 04:26.51 | TaylorKarras | Try upgrading the USB HID interface driver |
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| 04:27.21 | Wyzard | That advice doesn't make much sense |
| 04:27.27 | TaylorKarras | Uh |
| 04:27.29 | mick_laptop | dmesg says: new low speed usb device using uhci_hcd at address 2 |
| 04:27.48 | TaylorKarras | Can you assign it to multiple addresses? |
| 04:27.51 | TaylorKarras | No |
| 04:28.01 | TaylorKarras | Forget what I said |
| 04:28.03 | TaylorKarras | I'm still thinking |
| 04:28.20 | mick_laptop | shouldn't i set something in xorg.conf and restart x? |
| 04:28.20 | TaylorKarras | wonders if there is a way to configure the device to work as a mouse |
| 04:28.35 | TaylorKarras | I'm thinking you should set the new device to work as a mouse |
| 04:28.37 | Wyzard | mick_laptop: First of all, did you "connect" the mouse to the receiver? |
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| 04:28.39 | TaylorKarras | it should load up the mose drivers |
| 04:28.45 | Wyzard | There should be a connect button that you have to press |
| 04:28.53 | mick_laptop | yes i pressed the button :) |
| 04:29.08 | TaylorKarras | mick_laptop: Configure the new USB device to work as a mouse |
| 04:29.13 | TaylorKarras | Instead of an ordinary USB device |
| 04:29.17 | phorce1 | cp -a makes an exact copy when moving files to a new drive, right? |
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| 04:29.29 | Wyzard | TaylorKarras: Please don't try to give advice when you're doing nothing more than guessing |
| 04:29.37 | TaylorKarras | I'm not guessing |
| 04:29.39 | catsup | i think TaylorKarras is trolling |
| 04:29.43 | TaylorKarras | Since it's a new unrecognized device |
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| 04:29.53 | TaylorKarras | It should be configured apparently |
| 04:30.03 | amnatz | what is trolling ? |
| 04:30.08 | TaylorKarras | I'm not trolling |
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| 04:30.18 | Wyzard | except that USB HID devices are recognized by Linux automatically just by being plugged in, and require no configuration |
| 04:30.28 | catsup | offering nonsense advice as a joke |
| 04:30.39 | TaylorKarras | Well I don't know alright |
| 04:30.40 | mick_laptop | catsup: no i don't think so |
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| 04:30.54 | gregorovius | q: to use a testing/unstable mix, where should I specify apt to prefer testing? |
| 04:31.00 | catsup | well, maybe i'm paranoid |
| 04:31.06 | Wyzard | amnatz: intentionally being disruptive, either outlandishly like benson or subtly like (apparently) TaylorKarras |
| 04:31.12 | \amethyst | !pinning |
| 04:31.12 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 04:31.16 | mick_laptop | Wyzard: but if the xorg.conf is looking for something like a PS/2 mouse - then it won't work |
| 04:31.26 | BENSON | WHY YOU NO LIKE BENSON? |
| 04:31.32 | BENSON | BENSON IS SUPERIOR TO ALL OF YOU |
| 04:31.40 | catsup | heheh |
| 04:31.49 | catsup | BENSON: i like you |
| 04:31.56 | Wyzard | mick_laptop: Well, sort of... in 2.6 kernels, all mice use the same interface, /dev/input/mice, and /dev/psaux (traditionally the PS/2 device) is just an alias for /dev/input/mice |
| 04:32.03 | catsup | BENSON: you made me laugh out loud |
| 04:32.22 | \amethyst | mick_laptop: what does the "InputDevice" section of xorg.conf for your mouse look like? |
| 04:32.29 | gregorovius | thanks \amethyst |
| 04:32.40 | \amethyst | mick_laptop: in particular, the Option "Device" line and maybe the "Driver" line too |
| 04:32.42 | n3kl | Do linksys wireless drivers work well with linux? |
| 04:33.35 | mick_laptop | it says /dev/input/mice and for protocol it says ImPS/2 |
| 04:33.57 | mick_laptop | driver says "mouse" |
| 04:34.05 | \amethyst | mick_laptop: that sounds good then |
| 04:34.21 | mick_laptop | :-/ |
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| 04:34.42 | mick_laptop | i also did the obvious -- tried it on OSX, and the mouse works there |
| 04:35.34 | Wyzard | mick_laptop: I'm using /dev/input/mice and "ImPS/2" also, successfully, with my USB Logitech mouse |
| 04:35.35 | \amethyst | mick_laptop: did you try restarting X? I wouldn't think it would be necessary, but... |
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| 04:35.54 | mick_laptop | \amethyst: yes, i have tried that |
| 04:36.09 | Wyzard | Restarting X shouldn't be necessary because /dev/input/mice reflects all mice currently connected to the system, and the kernel handles that |
| 04:36.28 | \amethyst | mick_laptop: what mouse is it exactly |
| 04:36.30 | \amethyst | ? |
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| 04:36.40 | Wyzard | mick_home: Does your mouse show up in the output of "lsusb"? |
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| 04:37.40 | Wyzard | and check dmesg for error messages |
| 04:37.48 | amnatz | dualscreen GUI ? |
| 04:37.52 | Wyzard | It's unlikely but possible that the USB port is bad |
| 04:38.02 | mick_laptop | \amethyst: no idea what model - it doesn't say - let me look at lsusb |
| 04:38.17 | netdaemon | or its possible that an irq conflict is taking place (if no other usb devices work...) |
| 04:38.25 | Wyzard | (I have a bad USB port in the hub built into my monitor... the system recognizes that something's plugged in, but can't communicate with it, and I get lots of errors in dmesg) |
| 04:38.46 | mick_laptop | yes, it is under lsusb |
| 04:39.45 | mick_laptop | Bus 005 Device 003 ID 046:c501 Logitech Inc Cordless Mouse reciever |
| 04:40.08 | mick_laptop | tries another port |
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| 04:40.44 | JDigital | any web server people aboot |
| 04:40.47 | mick_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.03 | mick_laptop | JDigital: just ask |
| 04:41.11 | netdaemon | mick_laptop: is it possible that it needs the evdev driver? |
| 04:41.13 | mick_laptop | or try #apache |
| 04:41.21 | JDigital | wondering if it's possible to have multiple instances of apache load at startup, serving on separate ports |
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| 04:41.42 | mick_laptop | apt-cache searches that |
| 04:41.44 | JDigital | I know you can do apachectl at the command line but I don't know if that loads at startup |
| 04:41.50 | JDigital | #apache is dead |
| 04:41.51 | Wyzard | I've never heard of something *needing* evdev and being unusable through the regular mouse interface |
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| 04:41.56 | JDigital | I went in there and it's all tumbleweeds |
| 04:42.06 | Wyzard | mick_laptop: evdev is a more general-purpose driver for keyboards and mice |
| 04:42.10 | netdaemon | Wyzard: grasping at straws here... |
| 04:42.11 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 04:42.35 | mick_laptop | JDigital: you can haveone instance of apache listen on multiple ports |
| 04:42.43 | mick_laptop | no need to have many |
| 04:42.58 | Wyzard | mick_laptop: It has some extra features, like possibly supporting additional buttons that the regular mouse driver doesn't recognize, but it requires configuration; the mouse driver "just works" |
| 04:43.25 | mick_laptop | :-( |
| 04:43.30 | JDigital | I want to run each website's apache as its own user for security |
| 04:44.09 | xuser | in what package is the update icon notifier included in gnome? |
| 04:44.50 | mick_laptop | well i have that installed |
| 04:44.59 | mick_laptop | xserver-xorg-input-evdev |
| 04:45.02 | \amethyst | xuser: apt-watch-gnome maybe? |
| 04:45.09 | Wyzard | mick_home: yeah, but you don't need it |
| 04:45.11 | JDigital | essentially I'm wondering what it is that make lunix start apache at startup |
| 04:45.19 | JDigital | and how to make it start many |
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| 04:45.23 | \amethyst | mick_laptop: do you also have xserver-xorg-input-mouse ? |
| 04:45.31 | mick_laptop | yes |
| 04:45.38 | netdaemon | would have to chuckle if not |
| 04:45.39 | \amethyst | JDigital: it's done by /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 04:45.41 | mick_laptop | JDigital: that is googleable |
| 04:45.46 | xuser | \amethyst: K i'll check, want ro remove it, its annoying |
| 04:45.50 | \amethyst | JDigital: which does call apache2ctl |
| 04:45.53 | cafuego | JDigital: You cannot make apache not start as root. |
| 04:46.02 | \amethyst | xuser: you don't have to uninstall the package to remove it from you panel |
| 04:46.04 | Wyzard | JDigital: Rather than kluging your apache configuration, it'd probably be safer and more maintainable to use something like vserver to partition the server into virtual machines for each customer |
| 04:46.21 | \amethyst | cafuego: but you can make it drop privs to a different account from www-data |
| 04:46.42 | Wyzard | JDigital: and each could run its own copy of apache with its own separate configuration |
| 04:46.42 | cafuego | \amethyst: Yes. "a" different account |
| 04:46.51 | mick_laptop | i've run many vservers on a 2 GHz box (16 to be exact) - with all of them doing a *lot* |
| 04:46.55 | xuser | \amethyst: can't find how to disable it |
| 04:47.06 | mick_laptop | it worked great |
| 04:47.07 | \amethyst | xuser: right click on it |
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| 04:47.17 | \amethyst | xuser: there should be an option to remove it |
| 04:47.27 | JDigital | it's already a virtual machine |
| 04:47.32 | xuser | \amethyst: no option |
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| 04:47.46 | Wyzard | JDigital: What sort of virtual machine? |
| 04:47.51 | JDigital | slicehost |
| 04:48.04 | JDigital | xen vps |
| 04:48.06 | mick_laptop | ok, since this mouse is just not working - i think i'll have to try something like bluetooth |
| 04:48.16 | mick_laptop | or PS/2 |
| 04:48.22 | JDigital | I wonder what those $3/month shared hosts use |
| 04:48.23 | Wyzard | JDigital: Do you have the option to install a different kernel? |
| 04:48.23 | \amethyst | xuser: hm, maybe it's update-notifier instead of apt-watch-gnome |
| 04:48.31 | Wyzard | JDigital: Debian has kernels with both Xen and vserver support |
| 04:48.40 | \amethyst | mick_laptop: have you been able to get another USB mouse to work on this computer? |
| 04:48.43 | Wyzard | JDigital: (for running vservers in a Xen domU, which is exactly what you'd need) |
| 04:48.57 | JDigital | it's already a xen virtual server |
| 04:49.03 | mick_laptop | \amethyst: i don't have another here to test -- but that is a good point |
| 04:49.12 | Wyzard | JDigital: right, but Xen and vserver are different things and can be used together |
| 04:49.13 | JDigital | unless you're saying I should split a virtual server into more virtual servers |
| 04:49.17 | JDigital | oh |
| 04:49.20 | Wyzard | JDigital: You can do exactly that |
| 04:49.50 | xuser | \amethyst: yeah that's the one thanks. |
| 04:49.59 | Wyzard | JDigital: vserver is a more lightweight virtualization layer that doesn't involve running a separate kernel with a separate filesystem for each VM |
| 04:50.11 | cafuego | Wyzard: Perhaps not on a vps from a 3rd party provider, who would prefer you bought another vps :-) |
| 04:50.42 | Wyzard | hehe, true |
| 04:51.07 | Wyzard | To make it work, you'd need to be able to install a custom kernel (a debian xen-vserver kernel) and have Slicehost actually boot it |
| 04:51.24 | cafuego | JDigital: For serving docs it should not be a problem. If it's just for say php, use suphp. |
| 04:51.34 | Wyzard | (Just putting it in /boot won't work; their dom0 has to be configured to use your custom kernel) |
| 04:52.27 | JDigital | I've seen servers that run each user's apache as its own user, using debian with apache1.3. Can I do something similar in apache2? |
| 04:54.07 | Wyzard | hmm, I intended to go to bed an hour and a half ago |
| 04:54.09 | Wyzard | does so now |
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| 04:54.30 | Nyle | goodn ight Wyzard |
| 04:56.05 | \amethyst | JDigital: http://forums.devnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&p=457476 |
| 04:56.27 | \amethyst | JDigital: basically you make a copy of the configs, and start up the second copy by hand |
| 04:56.46 | JDigital | Will that automatically restart if the server is rebooted? |
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| 04:57.00 | \amethyst | JDigital: no, for that you'll have to modify the init script |
| 04:57.32 | nvz | Wyzard: I slept most of the day you can borrow some of my energy |
| 04:57.59 | nvz | plus I got a case of full throttle fury in the fridge |
| 04:58.05 | JDigital | Ah. Now I just have to find a guide on that too :) |
| 04:58.32 | nvz | saving those for the morning though.. heh. gotta go roofing in about 5 hours |
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| 04:59.07 | cafuego | \amethyst: but then you have it running on a non-standard port |
| 04:59.30 | \amethyst | cafuego: or on a different interface, but yeah |
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| 04:59.44 | YeTr2 | I notice compiz is in sid, what about the window decorators emerald or aquamarine ? |
| 04:59.45 | \amethyst | of course you can't run two instances on the same port on the same IP |
| 05:00.05 | cafuego | \amethyst: Which I guess you can fix via mod_proxy to localhost and a whole bunch of ports.... but it just all sounds like a lot of hassle for *no* gain. |
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| 05:01.16 | mick_laptop | iirc for PS/2 you need to reboot |
| 05:01.49 | mick_laptop | so i'll do that |
| 05:01.52 | mick_laptop | :-/ |
| 05:02.03 | cafuego | ps2/ is *not* safely hot-pluggable |
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| 05:02.52 | nvz | on my system usb isn't even safely hot-pluggable.. heh |
| 05:02.55 | Nyle | nvz |
| 05:02.58 | nvz | I gotta reboot if I unplug anything |
| 05:03.10 | Nyle | nothing works right |
| 05:03.26 | Nyle | itsl ike when you try to look for something, you never find it. otherwise its right in front of you |
| 05:03.32 | nvz | yeah, well thats what happen |
| 05:03.39 | catsup | as long as ps/2 is plugged in when you boot, you should be able to unplug |
| 05:04.04 | nvz | yeah it has to be initalized in the bios, but you still risk shoring out the mobo |
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| 05:04.08 | Nyle | you can unplug anyway, point is, its not hot pluggable, you plug it back in and have to reboot |
| 05:04.37 | Nyle | nvz, private please |
| 05:04.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | ps2 hot plugs |
| 05:04.47 | nvz | my usb controller is FUBAR if I unplug my keyboard right now it will never get back on the bus unless I reboot |
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| 05:06.47 | \amethyst | Kamping_Kaiser: not safely, though. I've blown fuses in motherboards trying to hot-swap mice |
| 05:06.57 | catsup | um |
| 05:07.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | \amethyst, yeah. |
| 05:07.17 | catsup | since when do motherboards have fuses? |
| 05:07.38 | CompWizrd | one of my end users made their own USB extension... they soldered up some cat5e in the cable |
| 05:07.42 | CompWizrd | on a mouse |
| 05:07.42 | \amethyst | catsup: this was in '94 or so |
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| 05:07.52 | \amethyst | catsup: on a laptop |
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| 05:08.30 | CompWizrd | www.compwizrd.com/work/usb_ethernet_cable/102_1191.JPG 2 points for originality, -100 points for blowing out the USB headers on the motherboard. |
| 05:09.30 | CompWizrd | i've had two thinkpads brought to me in the last month with blown out USB ports on the motherboard.. have to send the one back to lenovo under warranty, the other will be fixed with a cardbus USB adapter |
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| 05:12.17 | YeTr2 | Is there any place that explains why sid has compiz available, but does not have emerald or aquamarine available? |
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| 05:14.30 | YeTr2 | CompWizrd: they make this thing called a wireless mouse. |
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| 05:16.06 | CompWizrd | YeTr2: or a $2 USB extension :) |
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| 05:16.57 | YeTr2 | so, I'm not actually ignored, it's just no one else knows why emerald or aquamarine isn't availible in sid yet? |
| 05:17.31 | snogglethorpe | YeTr2: what are "emerald" and "aquamarine", and why should they be in sid? |
| 05:17.37 | catsup | don't encourage him |
| 05:18.12 | JDigital | aren't they pokemon versions |
| 05:18.13 | YeTr2 | snogglethorpe: window decorators that work with compiz. they do the pretty things like transparency. |
| 05:18.20 | CompWizrd | i don't see either of them in the wnpp list |
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| 05:18.53 | snogglethorpe | YeTr2: hmm, compiz seems to do pretty things like transparency already... |
| 05:19.45 | Gorbulas | emerald and aquamarine let you do more advanced things to your window borders or something like that |
| 05:20.10 | YeTr2 | snogglethorpe: there are a whole bunch of themes out there that do more things with window decorations than kde & gnome window decorators don't support because they wern't programed to take advantage of compositing support. |
| 05:20.35 | YeTr2 | ... I think my english broke. |
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| 05:20.48 | snogglethorpe | YeTr2: lol, anyway I get your point |
| 05:21.05 | snogglethorpe | YeTr2: so alternatives to gtk-window-decorator (etc) |
| 05:21.10 | YeTr2 | snogglethorpe: yeah. |
| 05:21.30 | YeTr2 | and alternatives to the respective kde stuff as well. |
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| 05:27.02 | lkthomas__ | guys, whats wrong with this |
| 05:27.03 | lkthomas__ | iptables --table nat --append POSTROUTING --out-interface eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 05:27.03 | lkthomas__ | iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `nat': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) |
| 05:27.03 | lkthomas__ | Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
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| 05:27.11 | YeTr2 | its too long of a paste. |
| 05:27.18 | YeTr2 | that is whats wrong |
| 05:27.42 | markybob | lkthomas__ odds are you compiled your own kernel and didnt include the proper iptables modules |
| 05:27.58 | lkthomas__ | hmm |
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| 05:29.45 | jim | lkthomas__, Perhaps iptables or your kernel needs to be upgraded. |
| 05:30.32 | cafuego | lkthomas__: What does 'modprobe ipt_nat' say? |
| 05:30.39 | YeTr2 | lkthomas__: http://rafb.net/p/XdtXfl29.html |
| 05:30.43 | lkthomas__ | not found |
| 05:30.50 | markybob | yay, i was right |
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| 05:31.46 | lkthomas__ | where is NAT selection on kernel make menu ? |
| 05:32.07 | markybob | lkthomas__ in the 'you shouldnt compile your own if you cant figure it out' section |
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| 05:33.08 | YeTr2 | lkthomas__: if you are going to roll your own kernel, you should check out the gentoo router stuff. all the kernel options you'll need are listed there. |
| 05:33.26 | lkthomas__ | now it is using NF_NAT, not IPT_NAT |
| 05:33.27 | jim | that's a self-fulfilling prophecy tho... if they are discouraged from building their own because they don't know, chances are they'll never build and they'll never know |
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| 05:33.46 | markybob | jim which is perfectly ok |
| 05:33.58 | jim | for who? |
| 05:34.10 | markybob | everyone. less stress for them and less work for us |
| 05:34.29 | markybob | there's very little reason to ever compile your own kernel |
| 05:36.48 | cafuego | They keep moving these options and I'm not fetching a kernel source tarball just to check where it is this week. |
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| 05:37.18 | nvz | hah |
| 05:37.42 | xingu | cafuego: the iptables->xtables conversion does add an interesting dimension :) |
| 05:37.43 | jim | that's the first real reason I've seen |
| 05:38.38 | cafuego | took me a while to think one up ;-) |
| 05:39.04 | cafuego | lkthomas__: it's usally a sub-option in the iptables config - called Full NAT support |
| 05:39.31 | cafuego | which then gives you even more options as well as the MASQUERADE targat |
| 05:39.33 | jim | markybob: I don't have argument/quarrel/ill will toward you... indeed you've been very helpful in the past towards installees when you hosted a netinst that had additional drivers |
| 05:41.06 | lkthomas__ | woo, WTF |
| 05:41.07 | jim | it's just that I think discouraging others to make it easier for someone other than them is questionable; additionally it's lead to hostility towards helpees (not on your part tho) |
| 05:41.22 | xingu | config NF_NAT/ tristate "Full NAT"/ depends on IP_NF_IPTABLES && NF_CONNTRACK_IPV4 |
| 05:41.27 | lkthomas__ | full NAT support isn't exists |
| 05:41.39 | lkthomas__ | doesn't* |
| 05:42.15 | lkthomas__ | everything under IP:Netfilter configuration already checked as modules |
| 05:42.33 | markybob | jim none taken, nor have i any towards you. you're right, i'm just in a bad mood and let it get in the way. my fault |
| 05:42.45 | xingu | lkthomas__: grep NF_NAT .config |
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| 05:43.37 | jim | markybob: as you must well know, I've -so- been there |
| 05:44.01 | lkthomas__ | actually |
| 05:44.09 | lkthomas__ | NF_NAT doesn't exits either |
| 05:44.13 | lkthomas__ | on config file |
| 05:44.21 | lkthomas__ | but I just double checked |
| 05:44.32 | lkthomas__ | nothing so call NAT exists even on default installed kernel |
| 05:44.33 | jim | by grepping? |
| 05:44.56 | jim | see what you get with grep -i |
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| 05:45.33 | xingu | lkthomas__: how about the "depends on" bits? |
| 05:45.36 | lkthomas__ | CONFIG_IP_NF_NAT |
| 05:45.40 | lkthomas__ | ? |
| 05:45.59 | wd | anyone have a sarge mirror including security for US? |
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| 05:47.05 | lkthomas__ | guys, I can't really see there have NF_NAT option at all |
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| 05:47.54 | liable | you need to start with a fresh config for .25 |
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| 05:48.01 | jim | how do you build your config file? |
| 05:48.12 | liable | err, 24 even |
| 05:48.17 | lkthomas__ | I was using 2.6.18 config file :) |
| 05:48.53 | jim | I have a special procedure that could work |
| 05:49.01 | lkthomas__ | such as what ? |
| 05:49.24 | jim | save that config outside source dir, |
| 05:49.28 | jim | make mrproper, |
| 05:49.37 | jim | copy it back in as .config, |
| 05:49.42 | jim | make oldconfig |
| 05:50.04 | jim | you may have to answer a LOT of questions |
| 05:50.07 | lkthomas__ | but the most funny thing is that NAT option not even exists |
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| 05:50.33 | jim | but once that's done, you can make menuconfig and make your changes |
| 05:50.52 | jim | before and after that, back up config again |
| 05:51.39 | xingu | mentions something about iptables->xtables transitions |
| 05:51.58 | jim | that's never failed for me, but two things that could affect that: these are newer kernels, and the versions are pretty far apart |
| 05:52.36 | xingu | I still "diff -u" 'twixt oldconfig and new. |
| 05:52.43 | jim | the procedure is probably valid, but it's less work to start with a fresh config, preferably the one debian shipt |
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| 05:53.20 | xingu | it is valid, but you can burn hours answering the prompts that oldconfig will throw up in a step that large |
| 05:53.33 | jim | if you use the debian one, you probably need --initrd fed to make-kpkg |
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| 05:54.01 | tanya | how can i play wma, dvd, aac, etc on debian? |
| 05:54.05 | xingu | or just add INITRD=yes to /etc/kernel-pkg.conf |
| 05:54.37 | markybob | !debian-multimedia |
| 05:54.37 | dpkg | dmm is, like, Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 06:08.16 | gregorovius | is firefox 3 beta packaged in debian? |
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| 06:09.48 | dimir | Morning! |
| 06:10.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | What are my chances at getting a decently running Laptop system with a 2.6 kernel on a 233mhz processor? |
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| 06:10.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've got DSL right now, and although it's an awesome distro, I need support for newer drivers for stuff |
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| 06:11.06 | Blast_Hardcheese | A 2.6 machine would be much more useful to me |
| 06:11.19 | Gorbulas | the processor speed isn't much of an issue |
| 06:11.31 | dimir | ye. |
| 06:11.32 | DGnome | Blast_Hardcheese: Depends on what dekstop envirnoment you intend to use |
| 06:11.42 | Blast_Hardcheese | Fluxbox, probably |
| 06:11.44 | Gorbulas | you need the right kind of hardware and enough space |
| 06:11.49 | wd | apt-spy rocks... omg thank you deb dev and community... this switch from gentoo maybe coming sooner than i think.. :) |
| 06:11.59 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've got a 150 gig drive, 233mhz proc, 64 megs of ram |
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| 06:12.00 | DGnome | Blast_Hardcheese: *box is a good choice |
| 06:12.02 | jim | if you use any graphics at all, you'll need lots of ram |
| 06:12.26 | jim | and 64 megs is barely enough |
| 06:12.28 | Blast_Hardcheese | (Yeah, the drive is out of place, but the machine is slick as hell) |
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| 06:12.46 | Blast_Hardcheese | mitsubishi sub-notebook |
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| 06:13.17 | jim | what's the max you can put in that? |
| 06:13.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | 64 megs :< |
| 06:13.43 | Gorbulas | what kind of networking do you have? |
| 06:13.49 | wd | Blast_Hardcheese, i just installed sarge with 2.4 kernel on toshiba sattelite 40meg ram 100mhz.. hehe... it runs great in console thinking about putting fluxbox. |
| 06:13.54 | Blast_Hardcheese | No built in networking, two PCMCIA slots |
| 06:14.46 | wd | Blast_Hardcheese, i also have apple old world mac nubus with special 2.4 kernel.. 32meg ram 166mhz..risc.. debian is doing it! |
| 06:14.51 | Gorbulas | I used to run ratpoison on my iBook |
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| 06:15.05 | wd | Gorbulas, u like? |
| 06:15.08 | Gorbulas | about as minimalist as it gets |
| 06:15.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | holy crap, Linux was a pain to get running on old world macs, I applaud you sir |
| 06:15.27 | phorce1 | too late for me to do it now, but is there a way to get some sort of progress indication when using 'cp' to move all files from one drive to another WITHOUT using --verbose and causing every file to be printed to stdout? |
| 06:15.33 | wd | Gorbulas, haha.. i saw an article about ratpoison... i might get. |
| 06:15.41 | Gorbulas | I didn't ever get used to it. I was trying to play with compiz :) |
| 06:16.19 | wd | Blast_Hardcheese, hey thanks.. i'm coming from gentoo.. can u see compiling everything on these books.. omg. |
| 06:16.47 | Gorbulas | phorce1: afaik cp does not know how many files it is copying before hand |
| 06:17.12 | Blast_Hardcheese | wd: wow |
| 06:17.14 | Blast_Hardcheese | haha |
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| 06:17.41 | Gorbulas | I used to run Gentoo on slow laptops |
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| 06:17.46 | Blast_Hardcheese | I had a copy of PPCLinux with the oldworld bootloader extension, |
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| 06:17.57 | mysuppe | hello guys |
| 06:18.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | I never got past installing it... I was totally fine with just using MacOS 7.6.1 |
| 06:18.08 | wd | i'm really impress with debian.. i've been reading day and night and i like the history and community.. if i can only make that switch... i just can't get use to the rc0, rc1, rc2 etc.... |
| 06:18.14 | wd | Gorbulas, no way. |
| 06:18.22 | Gorbulas | the hardware was old enough that I could run all open source drivers so I enabled all the crazy options that break compatibility |
| 06:18.47 | wd | Blast_Hardcheese, i had 7.6 then went to 8 now 9 and booting with mklinux. |
| 06:18.59 | Blast_Hardcheese | mklinux, that's the one |
| 06:19.03 | Gorbulas | one of the computers spent a week propped against a wall so it wouldn't overheat while it compiled |
| 06:19.12 | Blast_Hardcheese | It's a shame the guy stopped developing it |
| 06:19.16 | wd | Gorbulas, funny. |
| 06:19.24 | wd | Blast_Hardcheese, yea |
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| 06:20.24 | phorce1 | Gorbulas: would be nice to be able to get occasional updates like (xx MB copied) for every yy MB. I'm moving 400+GiB from a nearly full 500GiB drive to a new 750 GiB drive. |
| 06:20.38 | wd | Blast_Hardcheese, omg.. that powerbook 1400 is solid very solid... and the keyboard is sweet, what got me started was my reading about risc processors and i found out the powerbooks are risc.. so i grabbed mine from the closet. |
| 06:21.02 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've got a 2500c, I should probably try to install something cool on it |
| 06:21.03 | Gorbulas | if you use rsync -a --progress it will give you more information |
| 06:21.15 | YeTr2 | Blast_Hardcheese: ibooks are new and old world. i has new world. |
| 06:21.16 | Gorbulas | otherwise you can run du -hs repeatedly |
| 06:21.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | YeTr2: Yep, I've got a new-world iBook G3, clamshell model. |
| 06:21.49 | phorce1 | Gorbulas: I'm probably 200GiB into the copy now <heh> |
| 06:21.55 | justnuts | phorcel: it;ll take awhile with rsync as it generates a filelist i think ..especially 400gb |
| 06:22.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm going to install debian on that and try to get my graphics card set up correctly |
| 06:22.28 | wd | Blast_Hardcheese, did u upgrade hd.. on my powerbook it's a 2g and my toshiba is only 547meg... but debian stil fit. |
| 06:22.49 | Blast_Hardcheese | I upgrade HDDs like it's going out of style. |
| 06:23.02 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm putting a 150gig in a Pentium 1, remember? ;) |
| 06:23.08 | Gorbulas | I don't remember having to do anything to get 3D acceleration working on my iBook G4 |
| 06:23.20 | Blast_Hardcheese | Yes, that's because you had a proper video card. |
| 06:23.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | Rage 128 ftl |
| 06:23.35 | phorce1 | heh --- du -hs is taking a few seconds to run on the new drive --- ahh, 252GiB so far |
| 06:23.38 | Blast_Hardcheese | 8 megs of vram, iirc. |
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| 06:24.05 | Gorbulas | I used to have a computer with a Rage Pro. I couldn't even find Windows drivers that worked |
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| 06:24.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | hehe |
| 06:24.33 | wd | Blast_Hardcheese, so hd's sold today will work huh.. i thought i had to buy one frm ebay... it was mentioned something about a hd brace in mine, must have a 2.5 inch. |
| 06:24.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | Yeah, Rage caused me much rage |
| 06:24.50 | justnuts | phorcel: try df -h |
| 06:24.54 | Gorbulas | phorce1: if the destination partition started as empty, df -h will do the job much faster |
| 06:25.19 | Blast_Hardcheese | Yeah, Just make sure to get an ATA 33, 66 or 100 drive, the smaller the better. Don't get a SATA drive by accident |
| 06:25.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | ATA HDDs are becoming hard to find |
| 06:25.43 | wd | Blast_Hardcheese, ok. |
| 06:25.57 | wd | Gorbulas, gentoo on what laptop? how old. |
| 06:26.27 | phorce1 | Gorbulas: That's a point. Shows me what I'm copying (amount) too. /dev/hdc1 404G used -- /dev/hdd1 260G used |
| 06:26.30 | Gorbulas | I don't remember the details on it anymore. I got rid of it after I got my iBook |
| 06:27.20 | phorce1 | Blast_Hardcheese: I just bought a 750G ATA for $140 (total shipped cost --- $119 before shipping and tax) |
| 06:27.31 | aredhel | phorce1, for future reference, if you want to monitor the progress of data through a pipe, then pv is what you want. |
| 06:27.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | phorce1: Yeah, a laptop drive though? |
| 06:27.46 | phorce1 | Blast_Hardcheese: Ouch, no |
| 06:27.53 | Gorbulas | it did have one of those floppy/cd drive bays where you had to swap them and one of those nub mice |
| 06:27.57 | wd | Gorbulas, compiling must have got u pissed .... i'm learning that all that compiling i've been doing these last 5 years gave me some speed but debian seems to run just as quick on same p4.. i'm pissed. |
| 06:28.37 | Gorbulas | it wasn't that bad because I was using the other computer while it compiled |
| 06:28.40 | wd | Gorbulas, i was told by people here and didn't listen then.. well i'm back. lots to learn. hehe. |
| 06:28.48 | wd | Gorbulas, oh. |
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| 06:29.45 | backdraft | CAN ANYONE HELP ME WITH MIRC? |
| 06:30.04 | wd | network question.... what app or command will let me scan wifi essid's cli? |
| 06:30.08 | phorce1 | Blast_Hardcheese: Last 2.5" drive I bought was an 80G and it cost me about $60. I stuck it in an external case, formatted it ext3, and use it to move files between a windows laptop and my Debian desktop |
| 06:30.29 | joltcan | backdraft: This channel is about debian. Mirc is an IRC client... |
| 06:30.33 | backdraft | I TRY TO RUN MIRC AND IT WONT WORK I GET ASKED WHAT I WANT TO OPEN IT WITH |
| 06:30.38 | dimir | wd: iwlist <interface> scan ? |
| 06:30.54 | jim | backdraft: your shift key is stuck |
| 06:30.54 | dimir | #debian.trolls++; |
| 06:30.59 | joltcan | dimir: :) |
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| 06:31.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | phorce1: holy crap, the last laptop drive I bought was 100, it cost me close to 300USD |
| 06:31.09 | backdraft | jim sorry |
| 06:31.20 | Blast_Hardcheese | The prices have dropped a lot o_o |
| 06:31.36 | wd | dimir, thanks...i'm tired of using my iphone to scan the edit interface file. |
| 06:31.46 | phorce1 | aredhel: Thanks, hadn't heard of pv and don't have it installed. |
| 06:31.48 | backdraft | so how do i run mirc on ubuntu? |
| 06:31.49 | wd | then* |
| 06:32.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | You don't, mIRC sucks balls |
| 06:32.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | You pick a real IRC client |
| 06:32.06 | Gorbulas | backdraft: mirc is a Windows application |
| 06:32.12 | backdraft | and? |
| 06:32.13 | Gorbulas | also, what Blast_Hardcheese said |
| 06:32.40 | justnuts | backdraft: use xchat-gnome like me :P |
| 06:32.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | I'm less inclined to give advice on how to run noobish windows programs to someone named "backdraft" ;) |
| 06:32.47 | backdraft | what it is a fake irc client? |
| 06:32.47 | Gorbulas | you can do it with Wine, but it's not worth it |
| 06:33.12 | Blast_Hardcheese | Oh wait, that's your actual nick, nevermind |
| 06:33.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | haha |
| 06:33.41 | Blast_Hardcheese | I thought you were using IRC from the Backdraft2 distro and didn't bother changing your nick |
| 06:33.46 | Blast_Hardcheese | /foot-in-mouth |
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| 06:34.12 | wd | dimir, rats... "interface doesn't support scanning"... crap. |
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| 06:34.12 | wd | dimir, is it the 2.4 kernel or the 16bit wifi card? haha |
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| 06:34.17 | Haris1 | Hello people |
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| 06:34.43 | Gorbulas | that was delayed |
| 06:34.44 | Haris1 | I have systemwide aliases in /etc/profile. Whenever I login to the box I get them. But whenever I open a new screen window, I don't get them? |
| 06:34.46 | Blast_Hardcheese | Silly debhelper. |
| 06:34.52 | dimir | wd: dunno, well, I'm not that good at wi-fi. Just rememer some tricks that I used when I set it up. |
| 06:35.00 | dimir | wd: But I never did it on 2.4 |
| 06:35.08 | wd | dimir, ok. |
| 06:35.28 | backdraft | so what is a real irc client i can get to run on my ubuntu? |
| 06:35.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | X-Chat is a good choice, |
| 06:35.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | BitchX, irssi, nirc, etc |
| 06:35.51 | phorce1 | irssi |
| 06:36.05 | Gorbulas | wd: try iwconfig to see if you have wireless extensions |
| 06:36.12 | YeTr2 | irssi ftw |
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| 06:36.23 | wd | Gorbulas, wireless extensions? |
| 06:36.37 | justnuts | i'm installing debian minimum install + vmware server on a flash drive. if i were to nfs /var and nfs or even ramdrive /tmp ..is tat enuf to limit writes on flash? |
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| 06:36.48 | Gorbulas | you need wireless extensions on a network interface if you want to treat it like a wireless card |
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| 06:37.17 | phorce1 | REALLY needs to burn some of the crap on this big drive off to DVD for archiving |
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| 06:38.04 | wd | Gorbulas, l did it and i see the essid, encryption... typical stuff. will it tell me something special? |
| 06:38.06 | Haris1 | ? |
| 06:38.38 | Gorbulas | if you don't have wireless extensions it says "no wireless extensions" |
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| 06:39.29 | Gorbulas | I don't remember ever seeing a card that had wireless support but couldn't scan |
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| 06:40.18 | ltlekvar | last ' LED' |
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| 06:40.35 | wd | Gorbulas, yea when i did the install for the powerbook this guy mentioned that it wouldn't scan.. but i thougt it was because of the ppc... but not here this is x86. |
| 06:40.44 | wd | Gorbulas, how do i add? |
| 06:41.27 | Gorbulas | you can try to manually set the ssid and stuff |
| 06:41.52 | Gorbulas | but if it can't scan it probably doesn't work… |
| 06:42.19 | DGnome | Is there a way to automate the bumping up of a package version when modifying packages with my own custom configuration files? |
| 06:42.45 | wd | Gorbulas, yea i do that..i have to set it manually.. i use my iphone to see wifi's around then i manually set it like at starbucks and libraries. |
| 06:43.07 | Gorbulas | what kind of card is that? |
| 06:43.23 | wd | Gorbulas, lucent orinoco silver 16bit pcmcia |
| 06:43.49 | Haris1 | I have systemwide aliases in /etc/profile. Whenever I login to the box I get them. But whenever I open a new screen window, I don't get them? <- |
| 06:44.32 | phorce1 | copying lots of data looks like it's working MUCH faster when one uses 'df -hk' to check progress <heh> |
| 06:44.52 | Gorbulas | Haris1: but ~/.bashrc probably is run |
| 06:46.09 | Haris1 | Gorbulas: Yes, but that's not a systemwide file |
| 06:46.30 | Gorbulas | it might also try /etc/bashrc |
| 06:47.06 | phorce1 | Haris1: Put your systemwide aliases in a separate file and source it from bot /etc/profile and from ~/.bashrc |
| 06:47.24 | phorce1 | s/bot/both/ |
| 06:48.04 | Gorbulas | sometimes bashrc or profile just source profile or bashrc |
| 06:48.14 | Haris1 | etch r3 has /etc/bash.bashrc. I put it in that, but in vain |
| 06:48.35 | Haris1 | I'll look into it, its not that big a thing |
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| 06:55.11 | phorce1 | 80 GB left to cp. Good, I'm about ready to fall asleep. |
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| 06:55.41 | Firefishe | I am wondering what might be the most optimized file system for debian. I normally use ext3, but am wondering if another file system might be more efficient. Where might I find information on this subject? |
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| 06:56.49 | phorce1 | Firefishe: Probably a good Google candidate. But beware, more efficient != more stable |
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| 06:57.45 | Firefishe | phorce1: meaning? |
| 06:58.06 | Firefishe | does that mean generally slower? |
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| 06:58.45 | bertanya | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:59.03 | phorce1 | Firefishe: No, some newer file systems have promise and may run a bit faster but they are still in the "crash horribly and take all your data along for the ride" stage |
| 06:59.30 | Firefishe | phorce1: I was considering things like xfs and Reiser |
| 06:59.58 | phorce1 | Firefishe: I can't give any references at the moment because I am in console-only mode and I hate Googling with Links |
| 07:00.07 | Firefishe | np |
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| 07:00.15 | Firefishe | I can google just fine. :) |
| 07:00.16 | Firefishe | thanks |
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| 07:08.19 | phorce1 | 54 GB to go |
| 07:09.17 | cct | i'd like to find a string in several thousand files, some of them are also binary. i can't tell about the subdirectories, there are sometimes just a few, in some folders many of them. so i thought about using find, instead for example cat * | grep string ...any ideas how to approach this? |
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| 07:10.31 | markybob | cct `grep -r string *` is more efficient |
| 07:10.58 | cct | but i'd also need the filename :/ |
| 07:11.06 | cct | grep just returns the string, but not where it was found |
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| 07:12.11 | cct | and that command says: Argument list too long - cat * | grep .. does not |
| 07:12.43 | markybob | `cat * |grep` is different than `grep foo *` |
| 07:12.51 | markybob | the latter will show you where it found it |
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| 07:17.31 | phorce1 | cct: man grep (specifically, look at the -l option) |
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| 07:22.56 | dokma | hi guys |
| 07:23.15 | dokma | something from rima-tde.net seems to be spidering sites on my server. it seems to be a spam bot |
| 07:23.20 | dokma | how do I block it? |
| 07:23.25 | gregorovius | Hi... when doubleclicking a unmounted volume from nautilus, I get a message that I'm not privileged to do that... but I am in the plugdev group, am I missing anything? |
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| 07:25.50 | bonii | dokma: Use IP tables to drop packets coming from that site |
| 07:26.20 | dokma | bonii: thanks |
| 07:27.16 | bonii | dokma: You can specify it using iptables and the input table on the network interface to block the IP |
| 07:27.19 | bonii | dokma: :) |
| 07:27.51 | dokma | I don't know the difference |
| 07:27.56 | dokma | I'm digging into iptables |
| 07:28.18 | bonii | dokma: Difference between ? |
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| 07:28.54 | dokma | do you guys know if there is some automated system with blacklists maintained by the community that I could just plug into my system and keep most of the spammers off ? |
| 07:29.22 | dokma | difference between iptables and the input table on the network interface |
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| 07:30.15 | bonii | dokma: the input table is part of iptables, iptables has a number of tables which specify whether it is for the packet coming into the box, leaving and so on. |
| 07:30.34 | bonii | desti: Read the iptables manpage, its self explanatory |
| 07:30.42 | bonii | dokma: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 07:30.46 | bonii | desti: Sorry |
| 07:30.59 | desti | 0_o |
| 07:31.04 | desti | np |
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| 07:31.31 | Sebboh | hi. I've just upgraded my kernel on a remote box, and I'm about to reboot. Before I do that, how can I confirm that the kernel I want will be selected at boot time? I use grub. Can I check a config file? If I recall correctly, grub is set to 'remember' which kernel I selected before.. Where is that state saved? |
| 07:31.33 | dokma | ok |
| 07:31.39 | bonii | dokma: You will probably need a rule like iptables -t INPUT 1 -i <network interface> -s <IP> -j DROP |
| 07:31.56 | liable | there is a spam blacklist database online yes |
| 07:32.01 | dokma | right now I'm more in search for an automated system that involves blacklists |
| 07:32.25 | dokma | what I'm looking for is a system that will use blacklists to block www and mail access |
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| 07:36.31 | Sebboh | hm, the config file in /boot/grub had comments that I answered my question. There's a keyword in there: 'default'.. so if I do 'default 0', it will boot the first kernel listed in the menu. that's what I needed. |
| 07:36.40 | Sebboh | cheers |
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| 07:37.23 | walshaw | after i recovered from a system fault, my kde settings are gone. which is the file that determine the settings? |
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| 07:43.12 | walshaw | heh? |
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| 07:45.30 | walshaw | where are all the experts? |
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| 07:49.40 | zapalotta | Hello. Does anybody use xen with lvm? I get "The LVM partition image creation failed to create" when trying to create a domU with --lvm=foobar |
| 07:49.59 | streuner | walshaw: about KDE in Debian? #debian-kde |
| 07:51.09 | fireba11_grr | anyone any tips what would cause filesystem inconsitency on ext3 ? HDs are fine, the raid is okay after all, and memory also checked out ok. where else could i look ? |
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| 07:52.43 | Fubarovic | in etch, "named-xfer" was included in the bind package. on lenny, bind9 doesn't contain this tool. does anyone know which tool replaced it? |
| 07:53.27 | streuner | fireba11: smartmontools installed? |
| 07:53.35 | fireba11 | streuner : yes |
| 07:53.49 | fireba11 | streuner : am monitoring the values with munin, they seem fine |
| 07:54.25 | fireba11 | streuner: i reinstalled, and got wrong free block count again |
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| 07:57.24 | zrin | I'd like to (hot-) disconnect a SATA hdd, do I have to do anything besides unmounting partitions before pulling the cable? |
| 07:58.17 | fireba11 | zrin: afaik no |
| 07:58.35 | zrin | ... like hdparm -something? |
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| 08:03.03 | pabs3 | how would I get swfdec to be prioritised over gnash for flash videos? |
| 08:04.56 | markybob | pabs3 you wont |
| 08:05.11 | pabs3 | :/ |
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| 08:07.42 | onur | Hi. I am using etch r0. I am trying to compile pidgin. It's want to ssl libraries. Which package for pidgis's ssl libraries? I tried libwww-ssl-dev libssl-dev doesn't worked. D |
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| 08:08.26 | thyko | currently which is 'better'; XFS or JFS? |
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| 08:09.14 | markybob | onur libssl-dev |
| 08:09.20 | markybob | thyko i'd choose xf |
| 08:09.25 | markybob | xfs* |
| 08:10.27 | Fubarovic | with ups |
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| 08:16.55 | extor | Is it possible for a .mozilla-thunderbird email database to contain some sort of backdoor? I was thinking of migrating it over to my new box but I'm a bit scared, what if there is something lurking in there? |
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| 08:17.37 | markybob | expose thunderbird has been open-source for almost five years. if there was a backdoor, we would have found it by now |
| 08:18.36 | markybob | i've personally looked through thunderbird's source and have found nothing suspicious |
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| 08:18.55 | tarzeau | markybob: you looked at the source code of mozilla thunderbird? |
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| 08:19.09 | markybob | tarzeau yes i have |
| 08:19.14 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:19.14 | dpkg | 12:13 < dottedquad> alright thx, one problem i'm stuck in the man and can't get out |
| 08:19.19 | tarzeau | markybob: more than 10 minutes? |
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| 08:19.48 | markybob | tarzeau yes. i had to make sunbird work on x64 for my company :P |
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| 08:20.19 | extor | so copying over the .mozilla-thunderbird directory, even from a rooted box, is most likely safe? |
| 08:20.35 | goto1 | http://rapidshare.com/files/111454070/Nuke.rar.html <---- download Nukes ( Badwidth killers ) :) |
| 08:21.05 | markybob | extor yes. mozilla is a trustworthy source |
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| 08:21.44 | markybob | well, a rooted box suggests that nothing is safe :P |
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| 08:21.50 | extor | what about some slimy script in one of my archived emails...potentially dangerous |
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| 08:22.18 | markybob | that's like asking if the sun is hot. yes, it is. normally it's perfectly fine, though |
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| 08:23.36 | extor | I just wanna secure myself(without giving up my civil rights) |
| 08:23.41 | tarzeau | !debian-harden |
| 08:25.36 | extor | ohhh yeah |
| 08:25.41 | extor | But that is probably for servers |
| 08:25.49 | extor | which never run stuff like icedove |
| 08:26.28 | markybob | basically, thunderbird is as trustworthy as anything that hasnt been written by you |
| 08:26.52 | extor | ahh |
| 08:27.07 | extor | Im not saying thunderbird is purposely or carelessly backdoored |
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| 08:27.23 | extor | Just trying to cover every possibility in case I miss something and it bites me in the ass |
| 08:28.43 | markybob | expose mozilla literally has millions of users and they code has been inspected by hundreds if not thousands. that doesnt guarantee they're perfect, of course, but it does give you reason to not fret. |
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| 08:32.52 | extor | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.42 | markybob | of course i have. but i'm done trying to convince you. do whatever you want |
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| 08:35.59 | kalila | is slashdot really, really down? |
| 08:36.31 | Dewi | kalila: it probably got slashdotted. Slashdot links to itself quite a lot. |
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| 08:36.41 | markybob | kalila really really :) |
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| 08:36.49 | Dewi | kalila: it was only a matter of time before Slashdot came to Slashdot's attention |
| 08:37.12 | kalila | whelp, first time I see this in a number of years |
| 08:37.51 | markybob | yep. i think the last time i saw them down was two years ago |
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| 08:39.22 | kim0 | Hey guys, I am finding "ntop" on sid impossibly unstable! Actually I've built from source as well, and it crashes every 30 minutes or so! Does anyone know of similar software ? |
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| 08:39.48 | markybob | i've never run ntop for anywhere near that long |
| 08:40.04 | kim0 | I'm monitoring an ISP link |
| 08:40.10 | Dewi | kim0: I've always found that ntop stopped reporting accurately after a few hours |
| 08:40.12 | kim0 | it needs to run continuously |
| 08:40.12 | markybob | ntop can be pretty intensive on a production box |
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| 08:40.23 | kim0 | it's a dedicated server |
| 08:40.42 | Dewi | kim0: maybe you shouldn't be running unstable then |
| 08:40.54 | kim0 | well, I also compiled from source |
| 08:40.58 | kim0 | it still crashes |
| 08:41.00 | kim0 | a lot |
| 08:41.08 | Dewi | which source? |
| 08:41.13 | kim0 | ntop |
| 08:41.15 | markybob | use stable. it's stable :D |
| 08:41.23 | kim0 | svn and latest release |
| 08:41.36 | Dewi | kim0: which ntop source? upstream stable, upstream current, debian unstable, debian testing, debian stable, etc |
| 08:41.37 | kim0 | Does any of you know of similar software ? |
| 08:41.51 | kim0 | upstream svn + upstream stable |
| 08:41.56 | Dewi | kim0: if you just want totals, mrtg |
| 08:42.07 | kim0 | unfortunately no |
| 08:42.10 | Dewi | kim0: at least that's what I'm looking into to monitor my link |
| 08:42.15 | kim0 | I need the breakdown and graphs |
| 08:42.16 | Dewi | kim0: it seems pretty popular |
| 08:42.30 | dub | what do you want to see |
| 08:42.40 | markybob | i honestly think that's too intensive for a production box. |
| 08:42.43 | kim0 | per client IP graphs usage ... etc |
| 08:43.01 | kim0 | markybob: it really is a dedicated box :) |
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| 08:43.14 | kim0 | hmm |
| 08:43.31 | kim0 | can I see the debian pkg source code somewhere, to see if debian devs have any patches? |
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| 08:43.40 | kim0 | maybe I can trace where problems are arising from |
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| 08:44.12 | kim0 | curses ntop |
| 08:44.30 | kim0 | There's a top bug about it crashing since last year in their trac |
| 08:45.09 | kim0 | I wonder if zabbix or similar tools have such network traffic analysis functionality |
| 08:46.06 | dub | argus maybe |
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| 08:46.33 | kim0 | argus ? is that a tool |
| 08:46.36 | kim0 | googling |
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| 08:47.18 | kim0 | located ... reading |
| 08:47.35 | khaleel | hello i have installed x-server-xorg-video-via ,whats the name of relevant display module ? |
| 08:47.41 | khaleel | i need to load it |
| 08:47.47 | khaleel | i have a s3 chrome based card |
| 08:48.25 | markybob | kim0 you could also try shellter.sourceforge.net |
| 08:48.39 | markybob | kim0 i wrote it, though, so i'm partial. full disclaimer :P |
| 08:49.15 | kim0 | cool stuff :D |
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| 08:49.42 | octox2 | anyone know the name of the program that gives you system mail? I used to type mail and it would come up but now it says unknown command? |
| 08:49.57 | end-user | mailx |
| 08:50.08 | markybob | octox2 yeah, you probably mean mailx |
| 08:50.54 | octox2 | you may be right, let me see |
| 08:51.01 | kim0 | markybob: sf seems to be down! |
| 08:51.03 | octox2 | that is command line right? |
| 08:51.07 | kim0 | any other link |
| 08:51.28 | markybob | octox2 it'd be like echo "foo" |mail -s subjechere tohere |
| 08:51.32 | end-user | octox2 mailx is only the text reader, you will need fetchmail to get the mail |
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| 08:51.35 | niklas__ | I just compiled a new kernel, and suddenly when i ping a host, it rounds up the miliseconds like 0.00, 1.00, 2.00.. What can i have misconfigured? |
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| 08:52.25 | end-user | octox2 I should clarify: you will need fetchmail for example to download pop3/imap mail from like gmail, etc. |
| 08:52.51 | markybob | kim0 damn shame. no |
| 08:53.14 | dub | sf sev0 |
| 08:53.21 | octox2 | yea, i just want to get the system mail |
| 08:54.12 | octox2 | wooohooo, thanks end_user. thanks markybob |
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| 08:55.20 | end-user | octox2: cool! |
| 08:55.22 | markybob | octox2 here to serve :) |
| 08:55.25 | markybob | i need a drink |
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| 08:55.29 | octox2 | rock on |
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| 08:57.32 | octox2 | another question, what is the package that gives me inetd (the internet super server)? |
| 08:58.31 | markybob | you all should download my new release. http://www.dipconsultants.com/browser/features.htm |
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| 09:00.57 | mquin | octox2: on etch, openbsd-inetd |
| 09:01.10 | octox2 | same for lenny? |
| 09:01.23 | octox2 | i think i lost it somehow when i went to lenny |
| 09:01.39 | octox2 | su |
| 09:01.41 | octox2 | yeshuaisgod777 |
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| 09:02.02 | dub | ... |
| 09:02.03 | octox2 | ops, wrong window lol, now you all know my root pass lol |
| 09:02.32 | fotoflo | hey, quick question, im running fetchmail to retreive my mail, how can i run a script automaticly when mail is retreved (istead of cron every 2 minutes) |
| 09:02.41 | octox2 | how often does that happen? up too early i guess haha |
| 09:02.45 | Skratz0r | Lol? |
| 09:02.46 | markybob | octox2 interesting choice |
| 09:03.02 | Skratz0r | Hey octox2, if you type your nickserv password, did you know no one sees it but you? |
| 09:03.03 | fotoflo | Damn! a little too late! |
| 09:03.14 | Skratz0r | It appears as xxxxx to us |
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| 09:03.25 | Skratz0r | Mine is xxxxxxxxxx |
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| 09:03.29 | fotoflo | xxxxxxxxx |
| 09:03.30 | Blast_Hardcheese | Don't bother, his nick isn't registered |
| 09:03.36 | fotoflo | see, it works! |
| 09:03.39 | Skratz0r | BLAST |
| 09:03.40 | octox2 | yea, but i though i was typing in my console lol |
| 09:03.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | I tried to ghost with his root password to no avail |
| 09:03.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | ;) |
| 09:04.15 | octox2 | how do you ghost? |
| 09:04.32 | markybob | duh to no avail. he had the power of the holy ghost propecting it, dumbass |
| 09:04.32 | Skratz0r | You type: NICKSERV ghost <password> <nick of ghost> |
| 09:04.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | You type /quit whoeveryouwanttoquit |
| 09:04.47 | markybob | the mighty holy spirit had his back |
| 09:04.48 | markybob | :P |
| 09:04.49 | fotoflo | how do you get fetchmail to run a script on close? |
| 09:04.52 | Skratz0r | Lol Blast_Hardcheese |
| 09:05.00 | fotoflo | err on email receipt? |
| 09:05.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | Skratz0r: Flip those two args |
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| 09:05.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | <nick> <pass> |
| 09:05.20 | octox2 | mquin: exit |
| 09:05.28 | octox2 | ops wrong window again |
| 09:05.31 | Skratz0r | Blast_Hardcheese; I know how to ghost |
| 09:05.33 | mquin | heh |
| 09:05.36 | octox2 | crap i must be tired |
| 09:05.41 | Skratz0r | GO TO BED |
| 09:05.48 | Blast_Hardcheese | GARFIELD |
| 09:06.07 | Skratz0r | /quit octox2 |
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| 09:06.55 | Georgij | Hello |
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| 09:07.09 | Georgij | I am running Ubuntu 8.04 |
| 09:07.16 | Georgij | And something strange happened |
| 09:07.27 | Georgij | A loop while I deleted an item |
| 09:07.49 | Georgij | Trash:///_georgij/desktop/georgij/desktop/georgij/desktop/georgij/desktop/georgij/desktop/georgij/desktop/georgij/desktop/georgij/desktop/georgij/desktop/georgij/desktop/ ...... |
| 09:07.54 | Georgij | Can someone help me? |
| 09:07.54 | Skratz0r | PASTE |
| 09:07.58 | Georgij | I cannot delete |
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| 09:08.04 | Georgij | From my trashcan |
| 09:08.07 | Skratz0r | Just do rm -rf "file" |
| 09:08.19 | Georgij | What's the dir to my Trash can? |
| 09:08.30 | Skratz0r | /.Trash/ |
| 09:08.34 | Blast_Hardcheese | ~/.trash on most systems |
| 09:08.36 | Georgij | Doesn't work :S |
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| 09:08.46 | Georgij | It says it doesn't exist |
| 09:08.48 | Skratz0r | Ah, yeah, its in your home directory, sorry |
| 09:08.50 | petemc | Georgij: try #ubuntu |
| 09:08.51 | Skratz0r | Well, make one |
| 09:08.58 | Georgij | I am banned from ubuntu |
| 09:09.00 | Georgij | lol |
| 09:09.02 | octox2 | mquin: i was going to ask you if inetd should be in /etc/init.d so i can go /etc/init.d/inetd reload ? |
| 09:09.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | ... |
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| 09:09.25 | Skratz0r | Georgij; what on earth for? |
| 09:09.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | Georgij: Why were you banned from ubuntu? |
| 09:09.44 | idimmu | banned from ubuntu? |
| 09:09.45 | octox2 | Skratz0r: i was in bed but couldnt sleep, so here I am lol |
| 09:09.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | That's totally awesome, by the way. |
| 09:09.49 | Skratz0r | Try #ubuntu on another server. Undernet, say. |
| 09:09.51 | idimmu | are they forcing you to use redhat? :( |
| 09:09.56 | Skratz0r | octox2; heh. It happens. :P |
| 09:09.59 | Skratz0r | Lol idimmu |
| 09:10.04 | Georgij | I was banned for talking in the help channel then I start talking in the real channel and they didn't like me so they kicked me out |
| 09:10.13 | Skratz0r | :| |
| 09:10.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | Well ubuntu sucks anyway |
| 09:10.24 | Georgij | Rasism I tell ya |
| 09:10.24 | Blast_Hardcheese | Get a real distro |
| 09:10.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | like debian |
| 09:10.27 | Skratz0r | Whats the question? |
| 09:10.33 | octox2 | Skratz0r: hey, i got 1 of 2 problems solved that were killing me lol |
| 09:10.38 | Georgij | Ubuntu is based on debian isn't it? |
| 09:10.43 | Skratz0r | You cant delete stuff - Georgij? |
| 09:10.45 | Skratz0r | Yes, yes it is |
| 09:10.48 | Blast_Hardcheese | Yeah, they messed it up |
| 09:10.51 | Skratz0r | But ubuntu is the deformed cousin of debian |
| 09:10.55 | Skratz0r | And never spoken of |
| 09:10.57 | Skratz0r | Be gone |
| 09:11.00 | Georgij | haha |
| 09:11.02 | Blast_Hardcheese | lol |
| 09:11.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | It's funny 'cause it's true |
| 09:11.13 | Georgij | lol |
| 09:11.18 | end-user | Blast_Hardcheese: I've been curious about Debian lately, what would you say the few things Ubuntu gets worst are? |
| 09:11.21 | Skratz0r | Debian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --> Bottom of the distro chain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubuntu |
| 09:11.23 | Georgij | Maybe I should try Debian instead |
| 09:11.28 | Skratz0r | YAY |
| 09:11.34 | Georgij | I am getting sick and tired of this Ubuntu |
| 09:11.40 | fotoflo | how do you get fetchmail to run a script on email receipt? is this even possible? |
| 09:11.40 | Georgij | And the name sounds like poe |
| 09:11.41 | Georgij | lol |
| 09:11.43 | Skratz0r | We have converted one. /me hi fives the channel in general |
| 09:11.51 | dub | ubuntu is debian |
| 09:12.00 | Georgij | I know |
| 09:12.00 | Skratz0r | dub, no, no it's not |
| 09:12.05 | Skratz0r | Ubuntu is Debian + Fail + Bloat |
| 09:12.31 | Georgij | No ubuntu is a "deformed" cousin |
| 09:12.32 | dub | it serves a purpose |
| 09:12.33 | Georgij | lol |
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| 09:12.46 | Skratz0r | dub, a purpose that Debian can still do better |
| 09:12.50 | Skratz0r | With less bloat* |
| 09:13.05 | fireba11 | Skratz0r: no the purpose of keeping the newbies in #ubuntu :-) |
| 09:13.06 | Georgij | Anyways I made a folder named .trash in my home directory |
| 09:13.15 | Blast_Hardcheese | end-user: I'm not a power Linux user by any means, My linux junkie friends list reasons like it's going out of style. The first time I installed Ubuntu I was greeted with a 10 second startup sound that wouldn't go away, my first thoughts were "If the dev team thinks that it's acceptable to have a startup sound at all, let alone a 10 second long one, what else did they get wrong?" |
| 09:13.18 | Skratz0r | fireba11; LOL |
| 09:13.22 | Georgij | Now should I rm -r georgij? |
| 09:13.30 | Skratz0r | Lol |
| 09:13.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | No. |
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| 09:13.40 | Blast_Hardcheese | That would be a bad thing to do. |
| 09:13.43 | Skratz0r | Lol |
| 09:13.46 | Skratz0r | depends |
| 09:13.49 | Georgij | What should I do then? |
| 09:13.58 | Blast_Hardcheese | Georgij: do this: ls -al ~ | grep -i trash |
| 09:14.02 | Skratz0r | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/ |
| 09:14.09 | Georgij | cd .trash den rm -r georgij |
| 09:14.14 | Skratz0r | Ok, sorry. Ignore me. ;-) |
| 09:14.19 | Blast_Hardcheese | Georgij: do this: ls -al ~ | grep -i trash |
| 09:14.34 | Georgij | Should I do that in terminal? |
| 09:14.35 | Blast_Hardcheese | What things show up? |
| 09:14.41 | Skratz0r | grep has options? O.o |
| 09:14.49 | Blast_Hardcheese | Yes |
| 09:14.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | useful ones |
| 09:14.51 | Georgij | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.57 | Skratz0r | Georgij; yes, Terminal/Konsole/Xterm |
| 09:15.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | rm -Rf ~/.trash |
| 09:15.14 | Skratz0r | :O |
| 09:15.16 | end-user | Blast_Hardcheese: Heh - funny point. I'm curious, this might be a minor thing, but does Debian lock a bunch of programs into the OS like Ubuntu does (like evolution, open office, etc.)? I mean, I'm I can get rid of them here too if I want, but it always makes me worry about it...I might not be being clear here |
| 09:15.23 | octox2 | I have inetd installed, and i have the /etc/inetd.conf file, but my inetd script that belongs in /etc/init.d/ disapeared, any ideas ? |
| 09:15.29 | Skratz0r | Surely rm -rf ~/.trash/* ? |
| 09:15.32 | Georgij | Files still there |
| 09:15.39 | Blast_Hardcheese | Skratz0r: He created .trash |
| 09:15.46 | Skratz0r | Ah |
| 09:15.51 | Georgij | or shall I say a node of a thousands of folders |
| 09:16.06 | Skratz0r | Georgij; cd ~/ && sudo rm -rf .trash |
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| 09:16.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | Skratz0r: ... |
| 09:16.20 | Georgij | and now? |
| 09:16.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | He _CREATED_ .trash |
| 09:16.27 | Georgij | lol |
| 09:16.32 | Skratz0r | Yes... |
| 09:16.33 | Georgij | Where is the real .trash? |
| 09:16.39 | Skratz0r | No one knows |
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| 09:16.49 | Skratz0r | As long as it's called the same thing, i think it goes to the same place |
| 09:16.52 | Georgij | omg ubutn is crap |
| 09:16.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | Georgij: How many files do you have in your home directory? Do you have like two million .doc files? |
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| 09:17.04 | Georgij | 455 |
| 09:17.08 | Skratz0r | In OS X, i deleted my trash folder once. Meh, i made another, same place, same name. No biggie |
| 09:17.12 | Georgij | They are like a node |
| 09:17.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | Oh, that's not bad. |
| 09:17.23 | Blast_Hardcheese | Georgij: find ~ | grep -i trash |
| 09:17.25 | Georgij | and I cannot delete |
| 09:17.25 | Blast_Hardcheese | :D |
| 09:17.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | That will find the trash directory for you |
| 09:17.39 | Georgij | CRAAP |
| 09:17.47 | Skratz0r | o.o |
| 09:17.51 | Skratz0r | Whut? |
| 09:17.54 | Georgij | why you spamming in my terminal |
| 09:17.56 | Georgij | lol |
| 09:17.58 | Blast_Hardcheese | It probably just listed like 40 different results |
| 09:18.02 | Skratz0r | Lol |
| 09:18.02 | Blast_Hardcheese | because it found the trash |
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| 09:18.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | :D |
| 09:18.05 | dub | its ~/.Trash |
| 09:18.07 | Skratz0r | Epic |
| 09:18.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | dub: Alas, it is not |
| 09:18.16 | Georgij | want a preview of 10000 folders |
| 09:18.17 | Georgij | lol |
| 09:18.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | Georgij: What was the first result for trash |
| 09:18.41 | Skratz0r | Copypasta |
| 09:18.59 | Georgij | Uhm I cannot get the first result |
| 09:19.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | Scroll up? |
| 09:19.17 | Georgij | wait |
| 09:19.32 | end-user | Does the Debian netinst give you an opportunity to adjust partitions, or should one have that set up ahead of time? Or is the netinst not the preferred method anyway? |
| 09:19.44 | Blast_Hardcheese | Georgij: Fine, find ~ | grep -i trash | head -n 10 |
| 09:19.54 | dub | end-user, yes it does |
| 09:19.55 | Georgij | I have to make more scrollhistory in settings |
| 09:19.57 | Blast_Hardcheese | that'll get you the first 10 results of the find |
| 09:20.02 | Georgij | to be able to see in my terminal profile |
| 09:20.04 | Blast_Hardcheese | Don't bother with that nonsense |
| 09:20.06 | end-user | dub: Thank you :) |
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| 09:20.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | just do what I told you |
| 09:20.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | pipe it into head |
| 09:20.24 | dub | Georgij, find ~ | grep -i trash |head -n 1 |
| 09:20.41 | Blast_Hardcheese | dub: I was thinking 10, just to be safe |
| 09:20.43 | Georgij | YES |
| 09:20.48 | Blast_Hardcheese | What if his first result is trash.jpg? |
| 09:20.57 | Georgij | /home/georgij/.local/share/Trash |
| 09:21.01 | Georgij | cd that? |
| 09:21.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | Yes |
| 09:21.17 | Georgij | and then delete the files? |
| 09:21.20 | Blast_Hardcheese | What a ghetto system |
| 09:21.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | yeah, |
| 09:21.45 | themill | the ~/.local/share/Trash directory isn't designed to be directly modified by the user |
| 09:21.48 | Georgij | indeed a ghetto system "document cannot be found" |
| 09:21.57 | Blast_Hardcheese | oh dear. |
| 09:22.00 | Georgij | when I delete the fie |
| 09:22.03 | Georgij | folder |
| 09:22.12 | dub | Blast_Hardcheese, oh didnt see that |
| 09:22.15 | Blast_Hardcheese | themill: He can't delete it normally, I think his filesystem might be b0rk'd |
| 09:22.36 | Georgij | is b0rk'd bad? |
| 09:22.37 | Georgij | lol |
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| 09:23.10 | themill | ahh... You can try poking around in files/ but there are also indexes of what is in the trash in the info/ dir. That way you can delete files with the same name and have the, both in trash. |
| 09:23.11 | Blast_Hardcheese | Georgij: Have you ever used fsck? |
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| 09:23.29 | Georgij | I remember something |
| 09:23.31 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: the indexes should cope with a few files disappearing though, |
| 09:23.32 | Georgij | The folders name is |
| 09:23.33 | Georgij | georgij |
| 09:23.44 | Georgij | but when I look above in the its _georgij |
| 09:23.53 | Georgij | should I try delete it as _georgij? |
| 09:24.07 | Georgij | darn |
| 09:24.10 | Georgij | didn't work either |
| 09:25.02 | Blast_Hardcheese | themill: What is the structure of that Trash directory? |
| 09:25.10 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is it just a bunch of hardlinks or what? |
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| 09:25.27 | octox2 | i reinstalled openbsd-inetd , and it still didnt put a script in /etc/init.d/ is that weird? I thought it used to be there . |
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| 09:26.01 | Georgij | WOHO I FIGURED IT OUT THANKS ALOOOT!!!!!11 |
| 09:26.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | And he will not share the solution in... 3... 2... 1 |
| 09:26.28 | Georgij | Ok |
| 09:26.28 | Skratz0r | Heh |
| 09:26.30 | Georgij | Here it is |
| 09:26.34 | Georgij | /home/georgij/.local/share/Trash/ |
| 09:26.39 | Georgij | has a folder named files in it |
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| 09:26.46 | Georgij | so I did cd files |
| 09:26.48 | Georgij | then deleted |
| 09:26.52 | Georgij | :D |
| 09:26.54 | Skratz0r | Ubuntu puts the trash in .local/share? |
| 09:26.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | dun dun dun |
| 09:26.56 | Skratz0r | The hell with that |
| 09:27.09 | Georgij | I didn't do it |
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| 09:27.10 | Blast_Hardcheese | Fuck Ubuntu and it's ghettoness |
| 09:27.10 | Skratz0r | Thats like OS X renaming "home" to "Users" |
| 09:27.13 | Skratz0r | Lol |
| 09:27.14 | Skratz0r | yeah |
| 09:27.25 | Georgij | We are living in the ghetto oyeeh |
| 09:27.28 | themill | no, .local/share is the freedsektop standard location |
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| 09:27.43 | Georgij | Can I make it be in my home dir instead? |
| 09:27.58 | octox2 | gaheeeetttaaahooooooo |
| 09:28.13 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: ~/.local/share/Trash/Files contains the files themselves, if there is already a file with that name in there it gets a _1 appended to the basename. info/ contains .trashinfo files which contain where it was deleted from etc |
| 09:28.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | What is this "freedesktop" |
| 09:28.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | and why is it so "ghetto" |
| 09:28.52 | crazyfrog | Sound server informational message:Error while initializing the sound driver device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)The sound server will continue, using the null output device |
| 09:29.10 | octox2 | if you keep blasting ghettoness, does that make you a ghetto blaster? |
| 09:29.11 | Georgij | I don't get it but anyways thanks for your help even though this is the debian channel |
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| 09:29.33 | crazyfrog | what is the problem.it used tobe work fine |
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| 09:29.40 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: freedesktop.org is the standards body that helps X, KDE, gnome, xfce etc all work well with each other. |
| 09:29.55 | Blast_Hardcheese | weird. |
| 09:30.04 | themill | what's so weird about it? |
| 09:30.42 | markybob | it's kind of weird that it was self-appointed and everyone followed :) but in any case, they are now the authority |
| 09:30.53 | Blast_Hardcheese | See, that's the thing I don't understand about the linux gui desktop mentality. There are way too many ~/.____rc and ~/.___ directory files, those should be moved somewhere else obscure, like ~/.settings/companyname/programname |
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| 09:31.02 | crazyfrog | Sound server informational message:Error while initializing the sound driver device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)The sound server will continue, using the null output device.what is the problem?it used to work fine |
| 09:31.10 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: like ~/.local, you mean... |
| 09:31.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | Obscuring the Trash folder is kinda like... what are you doing with your lives |
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| 09:31.28 | markybob | Blast_Hardcheese that's the point of x specs. |
| 09:32.08 | Blast_Hardcheese | To obscure stuff? |
| 09:32.09 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: it's not designed to be poked around in by the user. Each desktop filemanager provides some sort of trash interface that deletes both the file and the metadata and also permits you to have multiple files with the same name in the trash. |
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| 09:32.59 | markybob | Blast_Hardcheese it may seem deficult at first, but as a programmer myself, it does make thing far easier |
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| 09:33.21 | themill | Blast_Hardcheese: So at the same time you're arguing that the trash location is to obscure and that all other dotfiles should be moved somewhere more obscure. Right... |
| 09:33.51 | Blast_Hardcheese | The trash is one single directory |
| 09:34.04 | markybob | themill i just argue that the specs should be followed. conifg dirs in ~/.config and trash in ~/.Trash |
| 09:34.06 | Blast_Hardcheese | there can be a very large amount of settings and cache directories |
| 09:34.18 | Blast_Hardcheese | I agree with that, markybob |
| 09:34.35 | simonrvn | and this is a really good forum to discuss this. |
| 09:34.37 | Blast_Hardcheese | None of this ~/.local/user/Trash/Files/No/really/ |
| 09:34.50 | themill | Unfortunately, a previous trash system used ~/.Trash. So to move to the new system, you need a new location. |
| 09:35.01 | simonrvn | killfiles everyone ;p |
| 09:35.07 | markybob | simonrvn it is, if you consider how many people in here drive software development |
| 09:35.08 | daya | Any way to add to add my own menu name in the applications bar of gnome |
| 09:35.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | themill: Why? |
| 09:35.19 | vindex | using a "trash" directory is lame anyway |
| 09:35.23 | themill | More understanding and less ignorant complaining would go along way. |
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| 09:35.49 | simonrvn | themill++ |
| 09:36.00 | x1250 | Is there anyway to know the list of files owned by a installed debian package? I dont want dpkg -L, since I don't have the .deb package at hand. |
| 09:36.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | unfortunately the understanding would not be necessary if these issues were thought out at the beginning |
| 09:36.06 | simonrvn | -1 for typos :P |
| 09:36.19 | themill | !lart simonrvn |
| 09:36.19 | dpkg | blames simonrvn for all the evil in the world |
| 09:36.22 | idimmu | x1250: you dont need the deb package at hand for -L to work .. |
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| 09:36.26 | markybob | it gets complicated when it comes to cross platform, but i dont think we need to worry about that. just dealing with gnome's trash is enough |
| 09:36.27 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:36.43 | x1250 | idimmu: didn't know that, shame on me |
| 09:36.44 | simonrvn | -L takes the package name anyway.... RTFM |
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| 09:43.19 | x1250 | double shame on me |
| 09:44.06 | markybob | i'll tell you what a double shame is |
| 09:44.19 | markybob | a double x chromosome. already have one, why the hell two? |
| 09:44.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | It's twice the size of a normal shame |
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| 09:44.58 | markybob | it's bullshit, i tell you |
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| 09:47.32 | octox2 | i just made added my own script, I guess that wasnt too hard |
| 09:47.45 | octox2 | well, copied another one |
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| 09:55.28 | sChaaa | hola |
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| 10:13.17 | fireba11 | crap .. i had to reinstall because my / filesystem ws totally messed up. did check the HDs, smart values are fine, so is the raid .. memory is okay. no it's starting again, any idea what else could cause that ? i'm on ext3 |
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| 10:16.12 | DexterF | hi |
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| 10:16.38 | DexterF | need a live-cd with recent kernel and tools like dd_rescue, cfdisk and such - can someone recommend one? |
| 10:16.54 | DebEMC2 | I'm trying to install vmware tools onto etch and it wants the path to C header files? |
| 10:16.55 | fireba11 | DexterF : grml |
| 10:17.13 | DebEMC2 | kernel-headers is installed |
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| 10:18.09 | DexterF | fireba11: wikipedia says comes with zsh - so has no bash? |
| 10:18.10 | themill | DebEMC2: if there is a specific file it complains about, use apt-file to find it. /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 10:19.25 | themill | DebEMC2: also, install the build-essential package |
| 10:19.57 | DebEMC2 | I belive it is but will doublecheck , thx |
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| 10:29.35 | fireba11 | anyone ? |
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| 10:31.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | fireball: Are you a programmer? |
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| 10:33.27 | Blast_Hardcheese | Did you possibly write or run some potentially malicious script? |
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| 10:34.47 | DebEMC2 | The path "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4/include" is a kernel header file |
| 10:34.48 | DebEMC2 | directory, but it does not contain the file "linux/version.h" as expected. |
| 10:34.56 | DebEMC2 | Any ideas to the remedy? |
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| 10:38.58 | Batchy | version.h is deprecated iirc |
| 10:39.57 | Batchy | try a ln -s autoconf.h version.h in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-4/include/linux/ |
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| 10:43.15 | fireba11 | Blast_Hardcheese: nope. normal etch server with only bacula and samba running plus some monitoring tools |
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| 10:53.32 | Meaw | I have 3 ethernet cards, eth0 eth1 configured well, but when i do ifconfig eth2 ipaddress netmask up it says device not found. |
| 10:54.18 | Meaw | lspci shows that i have 3 ethernet cards |
| 10:54.51 | themill | Meaw: what does "ifconfig -a" show |
| 10:55.36 | Meaw | eth0 eth1 lo and the ppp interfaces too. |
| 10:56.28 | themill | Meaw: Have a look through dmesg to see if there are any notes about your 3rd card. It would appear that it hasn't been recognised and still needs a module loaded for it. |
| 10:57.12 | [deXter] | Do I need the other 2 DVDs for installing Etch? Anything important on them? |
| 10:58.08 | themill | [deXter]: all you need is the netinst, in fact. The installer is the same, just that you either download the packages during installation or prior to the installation. /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 10:58.47 | [deXter] | ah, thanks themill |
| 10:59.22 | Meaw | themill, no errors or any strange message in dmesg |
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| 10:59.59 | Meaw | but i have 3 ethernets in lspci let me paste it on pastebin |
| 11:00.17 | Frosty- | paste your dmesg too |
| 11:00.45 | themill | Meaw: if you could pastebin lspci -nn (not just lspci) that would be handy |
| 11:00.48 | Meaw | allright |
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| 11:02.45 | Meaw | http://www.pastebin.ca/1002771 |
| 11:03.09 | Meaw | i'll paste dmesg too |
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| 11:03.25 | manatails007|nds | hmmm... l offtopic channel/p |
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| 11:03.59 | themill | Meaw: do you know which of the 3 are working? (Is it the two ADMtek ones) |
| 11:04.18 | Frosty- | try modprobe sundance |
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| 11:04.37 | Frosty- | or lsmod and look for sundance |
| 11:04.50 | themill | Meaw: the sundance card isn't supported until the 2.6.24 kernel, according to the kmuto driver page. |
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| 11:05.10 | themill | Meaw: http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi |
| 11:05.26 | haxi | I want that a script execute in 5 hours a `shutdown -h now`, how can I do this? or it's better with crontab? |
| 11:05.33 | Meaw | oh, so i have to install 2.6.x kernel? |
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| 11:05.36 | Buck | hi! |
| 11:05.57 | cloakable | haxi: one time only? |
| 11:06.02 | Buck | is there a decent, free all-in-one backup thing for debian that'll let me back up my files, confs and mysql databases? |
| 11:06.13 | fireba11 | Buck: take a look at bacula |
| 11:06.27 | haxi | cloakable: yep |
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| 11:06.42 | Buck | is it hard to set up fireba11 ? |
| 11:06.51 | Meaw | themill, ty |
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| 11:07.10 | haxi | cloakable: nvm, i'll use shutdown -h -t 10000 or smtg :D |
| 11:07.29 | cloakable | haxi: or replace 'now' with '5h' :P |
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| 11:07.59 | tarzeau | haxi: sleep 5h;shutdown -h now ? |
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| 11:08.01 | fireba11 | Buck: requires some reading to figure out how it works .. it's intended for bigger setups |
| 11:08.50 | haxi | cloakable: better to do '5h' or '18000' ? |
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| 11:09.46 | cloakable | haxi: for a one time only thing, yeah |
| 11:09.47 | Buck | fireba11: I'm only looking for something for just one server.. is amanda maybe better? |
| 11:10.01 | cloakable | haxi: same diff, iirc |
| 11:10.50 | haxi | mh wtf |
| 11:10.57 | haxi | shutdown -h -t 18000 |
| 11:11.08 | haxi | makes shutdown open its help..? |
| 11:11.14 | haxi | same with '5h' |
| 11:11.27 | cloakable | hmm |
| 11:11.44 | cloakable | ommit the -t? |
| 11:12.02 | haxi | shutdown [-akrhPHfFnc] [-t sec] time [warning message] |
| 11:12.13 | cloakable | haxi: when you give shutdown the 'now' bit, you're telling it the time to shutdown |
| 11:12.24 | cloakable | tell it a different time |
| 11:12.32 | themill | haxi: read the man page more carefully. -t is not what you want. |
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| 11:14.07 | haxi | err lame :P |
| 11:14.19 | haxi | The system is going DOWN for system halt in 18000 minutes! |
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| 11:16.38 | VBoi | Hi, I have a broadcom (bcm43xx) wireless chip on my laptop. Previously i was running lenny with kernel 2.6.21 and the wireless is working fine. Today i upgraded the kernel to 2.6.24 and now the wireless is not working. I tried downloading the firmware from http://www.linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-bcm43xx .. but it doesnt seem to work. Also in which folder do we copy the extracted firmware?? |
| 11:17.56 | themill | !bcm43xx |
| 11:17.56 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images. |
| 11:18.29 | fireba11 | anyone any ideas what could cause my filesystem going corrupt ? |
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| 11:29.08 | berzerka | how do i manually compile a deb package if i want to give special parameters to the configure script? do i just enter the directory and ./configure and afterwards dpkg-buildpackage? |
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| 11:32.41 | dutchfish | berzerka, A script named package.prebuild in the debian directory will be executed if it exists after debstd has changed all the ownerships of the files to root.root and set the permissions to defaults. That script must be executable. package.prebuild may contain statements to set special permissions. The current directory is the binary directory (debian/package) when invoked. |
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| 11:34.56 | berzerka | dutchfish: hm i just see that debian/rules contains the calls to configure. any problem with just adding the options there? |
| 11:35.09 | themill | berzerka: that would be the better place to do it |
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| 11:35.22 | berzerka | okay then. thank you! |
| 11:35.38 | themill | berzerka: also add a changelog entry with your initials or something in the version string to help you keep track of the package |
| 11:35.42 | dutchfish | berzerka, if this is a one time operation, no. If you want dynamics on every build, yes, then use prebuild options |
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| 11:36.22 | blizzkid | hi guys, I have a bit of an odd problem: I have 2 DNS-servers running, and I configured them using views (followed the example at http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/networking/news/views_0501.html), Now when I do "rndc refresh local.lan" at the slave, I get "rndc: 'refresh' failed: not found" |
| 11:37.29 | blizzkid | I've googled for 2 days now, but can't seem to pinpoint the problem. Any ideas? |
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| 11:37.52 | jackregeh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:38.52 | themill | jackregeh: what a helpful error message :( |
| 11:39.00 | jackregeh | hehe |
| 11:39.01 | jackregeh | yeah |
| 11:39.25 | jackregeh | themill, where is that? |
| 11:39.36 | Alarm- | hello. which packages do i need to do the minimum kde installation and get into a graphical environment ? kde-core x-org-server x-window-system kdm ? |
| 11:40.23 | themill | jackregeh: do you have the original conf file? Use diff to see what changes you've made can be a good start. |
| 11:40.25 | dutchfish | blizzkid, does /etc/init.d/bind9 reload work? |
| 11:40.32 | themill | !tell Alarm- about install kde |
| 11:40.57 | themill | !tell Alarm- about install x |
| 11:41.01 | berzerka | when trying to dpkg-buildpackage, after building the program, when generating the documentation i get lots of errors of the kind "openjade:../../doc/manual.sgml:12:17:E: element "BOOK" undefined". am i just missing some package? the build-dependencies stated only jade | openjade, which i installed. (this is libusb, btw) |
| 11:41.11 | blizzkid | dutchfish: it works as such, but doesn't sync zonefiles |
| 11:41.21 | jackregeh | themill, i dont have the original |
| 11:41.22 | themill | Alarm-: Actually, you can do much smaller than that for installing x. |
| 11:41.28 | Alarm- | whats the difference between kde-core and kdebase ? |
| 11:41.49 | themill | jackregeh: you could extract it from the deb again using dpkg -x or mc (or even ar) |
| 11:42.07 | themill | Alarm-: check their dependencies either with apt-cache depends packagename or on packages.debian.org |
| 11:42.26 | Alarm- | ok |
| 11:42.33 | dutchfish | blizzkid, then bind9 is ok, rolly errors in your zonefiles, wich bind9 then refuses to load (of coarse) |
| 11:43.04 | fireba11 | bind is rather picky about syntax |
| 11:43.10 | blizzkid | dutchfish: I'm pretty sure the zonefiles themselves are ok |
| 11:43.32 | themill | berzerka: the build deps also specified docbook-dsssl |
| 11:43.35 | dutchfish | blizzkid, then errors in named.conf, did you change it? |
| 11:43.57 | berzerka | themill: which i am pretty sure i installed, i will re-check... |
| 11:44.08 | blizzkid | dutchfish: zonefile: http://www.pastebin.org/32981 |
| 11:44.12 | Alarm- | i thought that x-window-systems is also requiered |
| 11:44.23 | berzerka | themill: ii docbook-dsssl 1.79-5 |
| 11:44.23 | Alarm- | although i dont know what that package really is :) |
| 11:44.29 | themill | berzerka: are you trying to backport sid's lsusb? or just recompile the one in etch? |
| 11:44.32 | jackregeh | themill, not sure how to use that |
| 11:44.49 | dutchfish | blizzkid, $ORIGIN is missing |
| 11:44.51 | berzerka | themill: just recompiling. i want to debug things and had to add --enable-debug=yes to configure |
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| 11:45.46 | blizzkid | dutchfish: I'll try adding that, brb |
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| 11:46.47 | berzerka | themill: i will have to check some things first, don't bother anymore until i bother you again :) |
| 11:46.57 | dutchfish | blizzkid, something like $ORIGIN local.lan. (mind the last . ) |
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| 11:49.12 | blizzkid | dutchfish: same error |
| 11:49.15 | dutchfish | blizzkid, and change [ IN A 192.0.2.1] to [@ IN A 192.0.2.1] |
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| 11:51.04 | dutchfish | blizzkid, the same for the MX statements (@ in front) |
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| 11:53.06 | themill | berzerka: hmm You do have the etch source package not the sid source package, don't you? |
| 11:53.25 | blizzkid | dutchfish: still same error |
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| 11:54.32 | dutchfish | blizzkid, the wihtespace after the $TTL should be 1 SPACE not tab |
| 11:54.59 | dutchfish | blizzkid, the rest is fine |
| 11:55.25 | berzerka | themill: hm if you ask like this i will have to recheck.... i will settle with this for now, i am busy at the moment, but that might be the problem. thanks for your help up to now! |
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| 11:56.00 | dutchfish | blizzkid, how wait no ; at th eend of the A statements |
| 11:56.52 | blizzkid | dutchfish: just a ; right behind the ip? |
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| 11:57.02 | dutchfish | blizzkid, no, no ; there |
| 11:57.29 | themill | berzerka: I'm not sure... there's a chance that the build-deps have changed a lot between sid and etch. I vaguely remember docbook stuff changing a lot. But other than that I'm out of ideas here. sorry :( |
| 11:57.31 | blizzkid | ah, ok, remove all ; you meant :) |
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| 11:59.01 | blizzkid | dutchfish: still the same error |
| 11:59.20 | dutchfish | blizzkid, wait i paste you an example file |
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| 12:00.31 | blizzkid | dutchfish: are you sure the error "rndc: 'refresh' failed: not found" is pointing us in the direction of zonefile issues? Because if I use the same zonefile with a very basic named.conf.local, it works |
| 12:02.06 | dutchfish | blizzkid, does your named.conf contain your zone file the right way? include "/your/path/db.your.lan.conf"; ? |
| 12:03.28 | dutchfish | blizzkid, and you zone.conf.local is ok? |
| 12:03.30 | blizzkid | dutchfish: my named.conf.local on the master: http://www.pastebin.org/32987 |
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| 12:04.34 | blizzkid | dutchfish: my named.conf.local on the slave: http://www.pastebin.org/32988 |
| 12:07.00 | sidewalk | xingu: you around? |
| 12:07.13 | sidewalk | anyone around who knows how to get a graphics card working under hppa? |
| 12:08.07 | dutchfish | blizzkid, cant find any errors in them |
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| 12:08.54 | blizzkid | dutchfish: don't know if that should make me happy or sad in this case ;) |
| 12:09.14 | dutchfish | blizzkid, did you make any acl ? |
| 12:09.21 | blizzkid | dutchfish: nope |
| 12:09.33 | dutchfish | blizzkid, look at this: http://www.hensema.net/docs/bind9/bind9-4.html#voorb-namedconf |
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| 12:10.24 | dutchfish | blizzkid, but your zone file (at least) was not correct according to bind9 specs |
| 12:10.39 | blizzkid | dutchfish: "localnets" is a built-in acl, so no need to create a separate acl |
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| 12:10.51 | dutchfish | blizzkid, ok |
| 12:11.22 | dutchfish | blizzkid, still, i would try that first, no harm in that to make one |
| 12:11.53 | blizzkid | I've tried it before (on a different machine), but it gave me the same error |
| 12:12.15 | dutchfish | blizzkid, my example: http://www.pastebin.org/32986 |
| 12:12.19 | blizzkid | dutchfish: the error must have something to do with the fact of using views |
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| 12:12.41 | dutchfish | blizzkid, maybe |
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| 12:14.39 | blizzkid | dutchfish: is there another way (apart from rndc refresh) to force replication of zonefiles? |
| 12:14.47 | Georgij | Hello, what fun things can I do in debian? |
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| 12:15.54 | dutchfish | blizzkid, i dont know but the inform is given by the master depending on refresh needed time |
| 12:16.14 | Georgij | wtf this morning this channel wasn't so dull |
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| 12:16.37 | dutchfish | Georgy32, install compiz |
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| 12:17.39 | dutchfish | blizzkid, http://www.experts-exchange.com/OS/Linux/Q_23202379.html |
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| 12:18.38 | dutchfish | blizzkid, any hints in the logs? |
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| 12:21.09 | blizzkid | dutchfish: if I restart bind on the slave, I see a syslog message, "zone local.lan/IN/internal: loaded serial 2008043001", but the serial on the master is 2008043002 |
| 12:22.37 | dutchfish | blizzkid, what does dig @localhost -t SOA [your masters dns name] on the master say about serial? |
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| 12:25.34 | blizzkid | dutchfish: 2008043002 |
| 12:25.51 | dutchfish | blizzkid, so, no zone update has been taken place so far |
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| 12:26.16 | blizzkid | on the master it's 2008043002, on the slave 2008043001 |
| 12:26.26 | blizzkid | dutchfish: ^ |
| 12:27.00 | dutchfish | blizzkid, and your TSIG os ok? |
| 12:27.07 | dutchfish | s/os/is |
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| 12:27.29 | blizzkid | dutchfish: hold on, I see something here... |
| 12:27.42 | blizzkid | when I restart the master, I get an error on the slave: |
| 12:27.54 | blizzkid | transfer of 'local.lan/IN/internal' from 10.10.10.101#53: failed while receiving responses: permission denied |
| 12:28.12 | dutchfish | blizzkid, there you go: http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/arm93/Bv9ARM.ch04.html#tsig |
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| 12:29.14 | dutchfish | blizzkid, and that is if there are no firewall rules blocking this ... of coarse |
| 12:29.23 | blizzkid | give me a sec dutchfish |
| 12:29.39 | dutchfish | blizzkid, take your time (afk for a coffee) |
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| 12:30.36 | margiolas | the last testing iso is ok? |
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| 12:34.16 | Tapout | when you install a package, where do the default configuration files get stored too? for example.. vsftpd.conf ... I need to go back to default with vsftpd.conf |
| 12:34.23 | fixUp | Has anyone managed to get RAID-1 working on the sparc64 port ? |
| 12:34.39 | dutchfish | Tapout, normally in /etc |
| 12:34.55 | Tapout | ya .. /etc/vsftpd.* .. nothign there |
| 12:34.56 | the-dude | Tapout: /usr/share/doc/packagename |
| 12:35.26 | moshii | fixUp: hardware or software (md) raid1? |
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| 12:35.35 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
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| 12:35.55 | H2OyJaBoN | someboyd has installed debian from floppy boot? |
| 12:35.57 | fixUp | moshii: Software RAID-1 |
| 12:35.58 | popey | Tapout: dpkg -L vsftpd may show you what files (including config files) have been installed |
| 12:36.08 | moshii | fixUp: as long as you can access the block devices you should be able to make a md array |
| 12:36.24 | dutchfish | Tapout, usr/share/doc/vsftpd/EXAMPLE/INTERNET_SITE/vsftpd.conf |
| 12:36.27 | moshii | fixUp: there would be no difference on a sparc64 box than a i386 one |
| 12:36.30 | fixUp | moshii: It doesnt appear in the installer |
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| 12:36.50 | fixUp | moshii: it does in the i386 installer |
| 12:36.59 | Tapout | thanks guys |
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| 12:37.34 | moshii | fixUp: maybe google around, there might be some reason it wont't allow you to create an array in the installer. You should be able to do it once you're running though |
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| 12:38.03 | the-dude | fixUp: are you able to create raid partitions? |
| 12:38.36 | blizzkid | dutchfish: view internal: request has invalid signature: TSIG host1-host2: tsig verify failure (BADTIME) |
| 12:38.55 | dutchfish | blizzkid, and is your time in sync? |
| 12:39.04 | blizzkid | apparently not :) |
| 12:39.12 | blizzkid | let me quickly fix that |
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| 12:40.04 | moshii | the-dude: from what I gather, he's saying there isn't the option in the partitioner on a sparc64.. |
| 12:40.21 | dutchfish | blizzkid, i always use YYYYMMDD## ##=serial for the serial |
| 12:40.21 | fixUp | the-dude: I've just completed it on an i386 installation and it works like a charm |
| 12:40.31 | ootput | any of you using newsbeuter? |
| 12:40.38 | moshii | !anyone |
| 12:40.38 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 12:40.40 | ootput | hitting o to 'open url' doesn't do a thing |
| 12:40.49 | ootput | moshii: foreplay |
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| 12:41.06 | fixUp | the-dude: I'm trying to do it on an old Sun Netra now and the option has dissapreaed in the installation menu, only FS types and the LVM option remain |
| 12:41.09 | ootput | i've specified firefox -new-tab as browser in the config, and user env |
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| 12:41.19 | moshii | fixUp: install debian to a single small partition and create the array once you're running |
| 12:41.20 | blizzkid | dutchfish: I do the same (YYYYMMDD##) for serial |
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| 12:42.31 | fixUp | moshii: yeah, I think I'll give that a try, was just wondering if there was something i was doing wrong during th installation. anyway thanks to both of you... |
| 12:43.11 | dutchfish | blizzkid, at least we know now its not your zone files nor config but TSIG problem |
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| 12:44.23 | moshii | fixUp: bit weird. must be some good reason its not there ;) |
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| 12:45.13 | fixUp | moshii: Dunno Sun stuff if very nice on the whole, but it's a bit weird if your used to i386 junk like me ;) |
| 12:45.24 | fixUp | is* |
| 12:45.51 | blizzkid | dutchfish: transfer of 'local.lan/IN/internal' from 10.10.10.101#53: failed while receiving responses: permission denied |
| 12:46.09 | blizzkid | and |
| 12:46.16 | blizzkid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:47.18 | moshii | fixUp: old sparcs have some requirements with bootable disks, like there is a 2gb limit on some firmware.. sparc64 should be ok though, the openfirmware is a shit ton better than i386 bios |
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| 12:48.46 | dutchfish | blizzkid, http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-November/064293.html |
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| 12:49.45 | dutchfish | blizzkid, slave zones require a writeable directory cause BIND automatically creates and writes to the slave zone file. With tight implementations of BIND security, there is a directory setup for slave and dynamic zones specifically and the master zones go into their own read-only directory. |
| 12:50.00 | fixUp | moshii: I normally dont bother with RAID and just keep backups, but it has 2 identical drives so I thought why not get RAID-1 going on it |
| 12:50.18 | infinity0 | is there any particular reason why /etc/skel/.bash_profile has the "include user's home ~/bin/ dir in PATH" code, instead of .bashrc? |
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| 12:50.39 | infinity0 | this way only login shells get the benefit of the bin PATH, non-login interactive shells don't |
| 12:51.47 | fixUp | moshii: You know what, I think I'm being an idiot !! I might have got the 32 bit iso by mistake ! going to try the 64bit down load again... |
| 12:51.49 | moshii | fixUp: even with RAID you need to keep backups. RAID is good if downtime matters to you |
| 12:52.12 | moshii | thought 32bit sparc was dropped ages ago... |
| 12:52.33 | moshii | linux on 32bit sparc is nasty anyhow |
| 12:52.51 | fixUp | moshii: http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ |
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| 12:53.20 | fixUp | moshii: I think this is the iso I got it's marked as visited on my browser |
| 12:53.41 | the-dude | looks at 3 sparcstations at he moment |
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| 12:53.54 | dutchfish | mumbles assumption is the mother of all fxxxxx |
| 12:53.59 | blizzkid | dutchfish: it's not really clear to me |
| 12:54.18 | unop | infinity0, ~/.bash_profile is sourced by a login shell and PATH is then available in the environment, any non-interactive shell then started inherits this value of PATH for its own, i dont see what the problem is (unless your ~/.bashrc resets the value of PATH) |
| 12:54.20 | abrotman | moshii: i think it's been dropped for lenny, and dropped mainline kernel a couple of years ago |
| 12:54.33 | moshii | fixUp: oh, memories flooding back now. SPARC64 port is just a 64bit kernel or was. sparc32 is dropped for lenny though, so that'll change |
| 12:54.36 | dutchfish | blizzkid, you have to setup a writable dir for your bind9 to store its dynamic and slave zones too |
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| 12:55.51 | infinity0 | unop: er, with the current set-up, if i start gnome-terminal then that's a interactive shell but not a login shell, so only .bashrc gets called but not .bash_profile |
| 12:55.57 | the-dude | blizzkid: try /var/lib/bind for storing information |
| 12:55.58 | moshii | be interesting if m68k stays.. then you'll have each end of the SUN range and not the middle |
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| 12:56.12 | dutchfish | blizzkid, with examples: http://howtoforge.com/debian_bind9_master_slave_system |
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| 12:56.23 | patrick-- | Hey, is there anyone thats fermilliar with samba and cups? |
| 12:56.34 | moshii | !anyone |
| 12:56.34 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 12:56.48 | fixUp | moshii: so anybody with a SparcStation will be forced onto a BSD |
| 12:56.48 | infinity0 | anyways, bbl |
| 12:57.10 | moshii | fixUp: linux on 32bit sparcs is arse anyhow |
| 12:57.50 | the-dude | can't remember any problems with 32Bit debian on any of my sparcs |
| 12:57.52 | moshii | fixUp: long time ago, but I seem to remember the mmu code not being great for those boxes. NetBSD on the same hardware was faster |
| 12:57.58 | dutchfish | blizzkid, but you master is fine, you only need to do that on the slave |
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| 12:58.23 | unop | infinity0, that's right. but the gnome-terminal shell will have inherited the value of PATH as set in the gnome environment. |
| 12:58.28 | abrotman | the-dude: it's not that it's broken, it's that kernel.org stopped going 32bit sparc awhile ago IIRC, and debian was the only one doing it |
| 12:58.59 | moshii | the-dude: did debian compile packages with the sparc v8 stuff turned on? like hardware mul/div? |
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| 12:59.32 | the-dude | I worked fine when I installed it, the only trouble I had was finding good working floppy's :) |
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| 13:00.12 | moshii | the-dude: yeah, it works but its far from useful on a 50mhz ss20 or something |
| 13:00.40 | sidewalk | xingu ey |
| 13:01.28 | fixUp | moshii: Going to have another attempt at this install.. Doing it over a serial console so it's a bit painful :( |
| 13:01.30 | the-dude | It worked pretty fine on my sparcstation 4 , 5 and ultra 1 |
| 13:01.40 | moshii | still needs to get some of those ross dual 110mhz MBUS modules |
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| 13:01.47 | moshii | the-dude: ultra-1 is v9 |
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| 13:02.11 | the-dude | so what's your point? it worked on my other hardware |
| 13:02.14 | moshii | fixUp: yeah, I know that pain. |
| 13:02.42 | dutchfish | blizzkid, so, if your options statement on the slave contains directory /var/named and your slave view contains internal/bak.localnet.local the dir internal must be writable by bind9. |
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| 13:03.09 | fixUp | moshii, the-dude : the make great little home servers all these suns and they are cheap now, biggest problem with all of them is the noise |
| 13:03.13 | moshii | the-dude: on such a slow machine you can't afford to run a slow os ;) |
| 13:03.53 | the-dude | I didn't say it was usefull I said I was able to install it ;) |
| 13:04.03 | moshii | fixUp: mmm the pizza boxes are cooled by the psu, you should be able to change that fans in there for some silent ones :) |
| 13:04.04 | blizzkid | dutchfish: I now get a permission denied on /etc/bind/named.conf (after following the instructions in the link you gave me) when trying to start bind |
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| 13:04.31 | the-dude | why would I use hardware which is even slower then a regular cellphone ;) |
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| 13:04.56 | dutchfish | blizzkid, where is your zone file located in the named.conf statement? |
| 13:05.22 | blizzkid | dutchfish: /etc/bind/zones |
| 13:05.32 | dutchfish | blizzkid, for the slave zone? |
| 13:05.33 | fixUp | the-dude: reliabilty, I remember an IPC we had at work that had more than 5 years uptime |
| 13:05.42 | blizzkid | dutchfish: for all zones |
| 13:05.49 | dutchfish | blizzkid, thats wrong |
| 13:06.22 | blizzkid | dutchfish: it can't even read the named.conf! |
| 13:06.23 | dutchfish | blizzkid, your master's (read only) must in seperate dir then slave zones (writable by bind) |
| 13:06.37 | dutchfish | blizzkid, huh? |
| 13:06.45 | the-dude | fixUp: It is decent hardware I know |
| 13:06.48 | moshii | fixUp: still, you could pick up a cheap and nasty sunfire |
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| 13:07.24 | the-dude | fixUp: but the new hardware isn't what it used to be |
| 13:07.41 | blizzkid | dutchfish: |
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| 13:07.51 | blizzkid | kernel: [ 1519.306153] audit(1209560843.523:4): type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="::r" denied_mask="::r" name="/var/lib/named/etc/bind/named.conf" pid=4769 profile="/usr/sbin/named" namespace="default" |
| 13:07.58 | tosh| | what would be the best way to have logwatch email its reports to two external emailaddresses? forwarding to a local account with /etc/aliases can only take one address? .forward also only takes one email address as well. any thoughts? |
| 13:08.03 | fixUp | moshii: some cooling mods here for a pizzabox: http://www.obsolyte.com/ |
| 13:08.07 | dutchfish | blizzkid, 1st: your dont alter named.conf because debian uses named.conf.local for that |
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| 13:08.24 | blizzkid | dutchfish: I didn't alter named.conf |
| 13:08.33 | dutchfish | blizzkid, 2nd your lsave zones must be stored in dif location then master zones |
| 13:08.42 | dutchfish | s/lsave/slave |
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| 13:08.56 | moshii | intends to use pizzabox sparcs as a tv stand.. |
| 13:09.10 | the-dude | also had a pizzabox |
| 13:09.10 | dutchfish | blizzkid, because the slave zone location must be writable by bind |
| 13:09.11 | blizzkid | dutchfish: I understand, but when starting bind now, I get: none:0: open: /etc/bind/named.conf: permission denied |
| 13:09.29 | the-dude | blizzkid: is /etc/bind owned by the right user? |
| 13:09.42 | the-dude | perhaps to a chown -R bind /etc/bind |
| 13:09.45 | the-dude | d |
| 13:10.06 | dutchfish | blizzkid, its it still: -rw-r--r-- 1 root bind named.conf |
| 13:10.31 | moshii | fixUp: netra is u1 though... |
| 13:10.42 | blizzkid | it is dutchfish |
| 13:11.08 | fixUp | moshii: and it's noisy as hell... |
| 13:11.21 | dutchfish | blizzkid, and named.conf.local ... the same too? |
| 13:11.42 | fixUp | moshii: designed to be in a cupboard somewhere I suppose so noise wasnt a major design priority I suppose :( |
| 13:11.52 | blizzkid | yep dutchfish |
| 13:11.53 | moshii | fixUp: will be, their made for data centres not media centres ;) |
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| 13:12.06 | dutchfish | blizzkid, and named.conf.options ... the same too? |
| 13:12.14 | blizzkid | yep dutchfish |
| 13:12.23 | fixUp | moshii: the really nice thing about them is that they have a pci slot |
| 13:12.41 | dutchfish | blizzkid, then bind9 should start |
| 13:13.01 | Morninwood | hi |
| 13:13.06 | fixUp | moshii: have a soundblaster live in there ai will see if I can make a jukebox from it |
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| 13:13.38 | blizzkid | dutchfish: http://www.pastebin.org/32996 |
| 13:13.50 | moshii | fixUp: maybe you'll find a nasty endian bug in the drive or something. that'd be fun |
| 13:13.57 | moshii | fixUp: *driver |
| 13:14.16 | DawnLight | endian bug? |
| 13:14.47 | dutchfish | blizzkid, jesus, why didnt you tell us you are on ubuntu instead of debian? |
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| 13:14.55 | swarog | hello |
| 13:15.00 | moshii | DawnLight: code gets tested on lots of little endian machines,... |
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| 13:15.20 | dutchfish | debian is not ubuntu |
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| 13:15.33 | swarog | im trying to get alerts on email of security updates available for particular server/system |
| 13:15.36 | cloakable | I have Unison on my Etch workstation and Lenny laptop. Recently an update made the two versions different, and they now complain and refuse to work. i've tried the simple sid backport, but that complains about dependencies. Can anyone help? |
| 13:15.54 | blizzkid | dutchfish: my bad, but I prefer #debian to ask for help, in #ubuntu there are way too many beginners |
| 13:16.04 | swarog | that works with cron-apt but info is quite poor. any way i could associate DSA and security update available? |
| 13:16.06 | moshii | blizzkid: that's ubuntu for you |
| 13:16.09 | dutchfish | blizzkid, if you prefer debian why not use it? |
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| 13:16.33 | blizzkid | dutchfish: I said #debian, not debian ;) |
| 13:16.44 | dutchfish | blizzkid, i know ;) |
| 13:16.50 | dutchfish | blizzkid, but still |
| 13:16.57 | themill | swarog: take a look at debsecan |
| 13:17.06 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 13:17.07 | dpkg | hmm... debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 13:17.24 | swarog | themill: thanks, will do |
| 13:17.28 | the-dude | loves debian <3 |
| 13:17.40 | blizzkid | dutchfish: I used debian before, but for this project I use Ubuntu |
| 13:18.04 | blizzkid | anyway dutchfish, that shouldn't change too much, it's not as if I'm on Fedora or something ;) |
| 13:18.05 | swarog | themill: acording to info that would be it, ty |
| 13:18.13 | themill | swarog: no worries |
| 13:18.13 | dutchfish | blizzkid, but.. you prolly have mocked up permissions, triple check that and undo latest changes what lead you to this |
| 13:18.35 | abrotman | the-dude: i heard you were cheating on debian! |
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| 13:18.59 | blizzkid | dutchfish: if you know a very quick way to revert mkdir -p /var/lib/named/etc && mkdir /var/lib/named/dev && mkdir -p /var/lib/named/var/cache/bind && mkdir -p /var/lib/named/var/run/bind/run && mv /etc/bind /var/lib/named/etc && ln -s /var/lib/named/etc/bind /etc/bind && mknod /var/lib/named/dev/null c 1 3 && mknod /var/lib/named/dev/random c 1 8 && chmod 666 /var/lib/named/dev/* && chown -R root:bind /var/lib/named/var/* && chown - |
| 13:19.08 | abrotman | wtf |
| 13:19.08 | nirupama | I have a sony laptop whose screen resolution is 1366x768 |
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| 13:19.25 | nirupama | but it never takes that and alwasy lands up in 1024x768 |
| 13:19.28 | sidewalk | does anyone know how i get my A1262A, Hewlett-Packard Company Visualize FX (rev 02) working under Debian for hppa? |
| 13:19.31 | nirupama | what could be the reason |
| 13:19.37 | nirupama | my screen is too samll |
| 13:19.43 | the-dude | abrotman: what? |
| 13:20.03 | moshii | blizzkid: looks like a copy and paste from some guide |
| 13:20.06 | amphi | !laptop |
| 13:20.06 | dpkg | well, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad> |
| 13:20.06 | abrotman | the-dude: you heard me! My brother's co-worker's wife's mother said she saw you installing gentoo! |
| 13:20.08 | dutchfish | blizzkid, backup your /etc/named and apt-get install --reinstall bind9 (but of coarse this works on debian ,,,) ;) |
| 13:20.12 | amphi | nirupama: ^^ |
| 13:20.17 | moshii | blizzkid: any by the look of that... bind is getting chrooted? |
| 13:20.28 | the-dude | abrotman: *g* ask my friends about me and gentoo, they will laugh |
| 13:21.07 | nirupama | amphi, laptop screen looks too small due to 1024x768 whereas the screen resolution should be 1366x768 |
| 13:22.20 | shashi | I am using 64-bit version. If i install any 32-bit based applications like web browsers, these 32-bit bit applications not able to reach /etc/resolv.conf file to communicate to the network. I guess i am missing some 32-bit library. Please anyone tell me what i am missing ? |
| 13:22.40 | cloakable | :/ |
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| 13:23.10 | cloakable | anybody? |
| 13:23.21 | Wyzard | shashi: The ia32-libs package would be a good place to start |
| 13:23.27 | fixUp | just out of interest in a server application what is the general policy for Debian on XFS ? |
| 13:23.55 | abrotman | fixUp: good luck! :) |
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| 13:24.05 | shashi | I have installed ia32-lib |
| 13:24.06 | fixUp | I used to be a Gentoo user and the developers recomended steering clear of it unless you had high end Ultra 320 SCSI |
| 13:24.18 | amphi | nirupama: yes; I understood that - the bot mentioned a couple of sites where you may find useful info |
| 13:24.25 | abrotman | fixUp: it's not the speed of the drive .. it's the "you absolutely must have an UPS attached" |
| 13:24.33 | moshii | abrotman: for XFS? |
| 13:24.37 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:24.46 | abrotman | not just XFS |
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| 13:24.47 | Wyzard | cloakable: I've noticed that there's now a "unison2.3.16" package in addition to "unison" which is version 2.27.57 |
| 13:24.49 | moshii | abrotman: that has been a non-issue for ages |
| 13:25.05 | abrotman | moshii: last i heard it was still there not too long ago .. they have removed some of the risk but not all |
| 13:25.07 | cloakable | Wyzard: where? |
| 13:25.09 | fixUp | abrotman: I've used it for 5 years now with no (touches all nearby wood) problems... |
| 13:25.16 | moshii | abrotman: I use XFS on this laptop, I forget to plug the charger in all the time. |
| 13:25.17 | Wyzard | cloakable: in sid; dunno if it's made it to lenny yet |
| 13:25.25 | cloakable | Wyzard: ahh |
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| 13:25.32 | cloakable | Wyzard: not in lenny |
| 13:25.37 | dutchfish | blizzkid, next time ask the #ubuntu channel, even if they are not so responsive, or consider debian for server side setups (much better) |
| 13:25.38 | fixUp | moshii: I'm not brave enough to use it on a laptop !! |
| 13:25.40 | Wyzard | moshii: I've seen the files-replaced-with-zeros problem even after the XFS website claimed it was fixed |
| 13:25.42 | abrotman | fixUp: i never had an issue either, and i've used it on various systems, but where data intergrity matters, i use ext3 |
| 13:25.57 | Wyzard | moshii: but it was several years ago, so I don't know if they've *actually* fixed it in the intervening time |
| 13:26.09 | fixUp | abrotman: I just hate the fsck cycle |
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| 13:26.18 | joako | g.morning my friends an early question, need to erase a partition , whats the best way |
| 13:26.20 | abrotman | fixUp: you can make it longer at your own risk |
| 13:26.22 | cloakable | Wyzard: the irony is, if you ignore the dependencies on unison, it runs fine on Etch |
| 13:26.31 | fixUp | abrotman: I also used to work on SGI's and never had any kind of problems |
| 13:26.37 | moshii | Wyzard: I haven't seen it for ages. Not since I work via irc with the lead dev to fix a broken XFS fs I had |
| 13:26.43 | abrotman | fixUp: yes, SGIs are lovely boxes :) |
| 13:26.44 | moshii | Wyzard: *worked |
| 13:26.52 | cloakable | It just makes dpkg refuse to do anything untill the 'broken' package is fixed :/ |
| 13:26.59 | slidesinger | Is there any way to see packet loss in a traceroute? |
| 13:27.16 | petemc | use mtr |
| 13:27.17 | cloakable | So the deps are pretty false |
| 13:27.21 | fixUp | abrotman: I'm really in terested to see how ZFS will progress on FreeBSD |
| 13:27.22 | Wyzard | stopped using XFS because it doesn't support shrinking |
| 13:27.29 | fixUp | interested* |
| 13:27.31 | blizzkid | dutchfish: I fixed my permissions, but if I understand you correctly, in my named.conf.local on the slave, in the zone definitions, I should use a writeable path different from /etc/bind/zones? |
| 13:27.42 | moshii | abrotman: no fs likes power outages.. all the caches we have now makes the problem worse |
| 13:27.55 | fixUp | Wyzard: yes that is a disadvantage I've come across... |
| 13:27.58 | dutchfish | blizzkid, yes different from the master zone files |
| 13:28.06 | dutchfish | blizzkid, and writable by bind |
| 13:28.14 | dutchfish | blizzkid, thats it |
| 13:28.28 | abrotman | moshii: i've had several boxes with ext3 do perfectly fine |
| 13:28.38 | blizzkid | chmod 666 to test... |
| 13:28.41 | moshii | Wyzard: reiser is the only one that can (I use can loosely) do online shrinking :( |
| 13:28.43 | abrotman | moshii: when the power goes out i mean |
| 13:29.11 | fixUp | moshii: Reiser is the only FS i've lost a whole disk's worth of data with :( |
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| 13:29.29 | Wyzard | moshii: I've never heard of reiser supporting online shrinking |
| 13:29.31 | Spida | will reiserfs still break if you put a imagefile of a reiserfs in it? |
| 13:29.47 | dutchfish | blizzkid, because you dont want you master files be altered from something from the outside, wont you? |
| 13:29.49 | Wyzard | moshii: It can do online growing, as can ext3 (though reiser had the capability first) |
| 13:29.55 | moshii | Wyzard: I'm pretty sure that's one of it's selling features... maybe I remember wrong |
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| 13:30.20 | the-dude | yeah ext3 does online resizing since a while |
| 13:30.46 | Wyzard | moshii: reiser and ext3 both can only be shrunk while unmounted |
| 13:30.55 | amphi | Spida: the reiserfsck 'horror reanimator' thing? ;) dunno, I haven't used reiser in a long time |
| 13:31.17 | blizzkid | true dutchfish, but... still getting "transfer of 'local.lan/IN/internal' from 10.10.10.101#53: failed while receiving responses: permission denied" |
| 13:31.21 | nirupama | amphi, those links are not of much use to me as I have a sony vaio VGN-TZ17GN series which does not have any mention int he links |
| 13:31.28 | fixUp | what about JFS ? I've never spoken to anyone who uses it... |
| 13:31.35 | moshii | Wyzard: Yeah, looks like reiser can't do it online.. sure I read that somewhere, oh well |
| 13:31.45 | abrotman | fixUp: i have, it's fine, pretty middle of the road in all aspects |
| 13:31.49 | blizzkid | dutchfish: and "transfer of 'local.lan/IN/external' from 10.10.10.101#53: failed while receiving responses: REFUSED |
| 13:31.49 | blizzkid | " |
| 13:31.52 | dutchfish | blizzkid, show me the user, group permissions of your slave dir |
| 13:31.55 | abrotman | fixUp: on linux anyways :) |
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| 13:32.15 | Wyzard | JFS seems OK, but also doesn't support shrinking |
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| 13:32.16 | blizzkid | dutchfish: drw-rwSrw- 2 root bind 4096 2008-04-30 15:27 slavezones |
| 13:32.19 | amphi | nirupama: nor any other with a similar panel? I can't help because I have a decent ghod-fearing 4:3 panel here |
| 13:32.20 | moshii | Wyzard: shrinking isn't a big problem for me. having the tools to fix things when it goes wrong is more important. the xfs tools are really good |
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| 13:32.27 | fixUp | abrotman: so why does everyone stick with ext3 ? I've heard it's quite slow compared to XFS anyway |
| 13:32.35 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 13:32.35 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is, like, http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
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| 13:32.44 | abrotman | fixUp: that used to be the case, not really so much anynmore |
| 13:33.10 | dutchfish | blizzkid, drw-rw-rw- |
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| 13:33.29 | moshii | fixUp: it's horse for courses. there's never a generic one fits all |
| 13:34.06 | fixUp | abrotman: for me really the only thing that puts me off with ext3 is the fscking... |
| 13:34.11 | themill | fixUp: aiui, if you don't have a UPS and a machine that never crashes, you don't want xfs. |
| 13:34.22 | abrotman | fixUp: so make it less often .. it's really there for your own data safety |
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| 13:34.51 | tosh| | what would be the best way to have logwatch email its reports to two external emailaddresses? forwarding to a local account with /etc/aliases can only take one address? .forward also only takes one email address as well. any thoughts? |
| 13:34.53 | blizzkid | dutchfish: tried a chmod 666, but it keeps the S |
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| 13:35.06 | abrotman | -S |
| 13:35.18 | the-dude | tosh|: doesn't a .forward with 2 addresses work? |
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| 13:35.24 | abrotman | it can |
| 13:35.27 | fixUp | abrotman: It would be better if it was like the BSD UFS soft-updates |
| 13:35.35 | the-dude | tosh|: or create a alias |
| 13:35.37 | abrotman | fixUp: patches welcome? :) |
| 13:35.43 | fixUp | abrotman: :) |
| 13:35.54 | maligor | heh, now I can crash X by plugging in a Microsoft Sidewinder joystick |
| 13:35.58 | themill | tosh|: comma-separated addresses should work in both places |
| 13:36.08 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.17 | maligor | the evdev hotplugger thing in unstable figures out it's a mouse |
| 13:36.19 | Wyzard | fixUp: The journaling strategy doesn't really have anything to do with ext3's periodic fsck |
| 13:36.19 | petemc | foo: bar, baz, bongo |
| 13:36.20 | themill | and postfix, and sendmail |
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| 13:36.45 | sidewalk | does anyone know how i get my A1262A, Hewlett-Packard Company Visualize FX (rev 02) working under Debian for hppa? |
| 13:36.54 | blizzkid | dutchfish: Apr 30 15:36:29 ubuntu2 named[5239]: dumping master file: /etc/bind/slavezones/tmp-NMxN3kMuud: open: permission denied |
| 13:36.54 | blizzkid | Apr 30 15:36:29 ubuntu2 named[5239]: transfer of 'local.lan/IN/internal' from 10.10.10.101#53: failed while receiving responses: permission denied |
| 13:37.05 | Wyzard | wonders what a Visualize FX is |
| 13:38.01 | abrotman | blizzkid: why are you asking here about Ubuntu ? |
| 13:38.02 | dutchfish | blizzkid, is bind running as user bind? ps auxww | grep bind |
| 13:38.03 | fixUp | Wyzard: just slows down the boot process, I always thought that the journaling made the fsck unecessary |
| 13:38.10 | sidewalk | Wyzard: graphics card |
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| 13:38.28 | blizzkid | dutchfish: bind 5239 0.0 2.0 38304 10628 ? Ssl 15:36 0:00 /usr/sbin/named -u bind |
| 13:38.32 | the-dude | you can use ext3 without having it checked once in a while |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | blizzkid: why are you asking here about Ubuntu ? |
| 13:38.47 | blizzkid | and btw, I'm asking here because of the level of knowledge |
| 13:38.47 | Wyzard | fixUp: Journaling prevents the filesystem from being damaged by an improper shutdown, which would otherwise be the most common reason for running fsck |
| 13:39.02 | Wyzard | fixUp: but the filesystem can also be damaged by other things, like bad sectors on the disk |
| 13:39.02 | blizzkid | in #ubuntu there are more beginners, and way less experts |
| 13:39.03 | the-dude | yeah most debian users doens't wanna know shit about ubuntu otherwise we would use ubunutu ;) |
| 13:39.09 | abrotman | blizzkid: we do not support ubuntu here, ask #ubuntu, or ##linux or #dns or #bind |
| 13:39.16 | Alex1 | hello, someone try to install etch using Areca Controller 1200 for raid? |
| 13:39.21 | Wyzard | fixUp: so ext3 does a periodic fsck to find any problems like that, which would otherwise go unnoticed until it's too late if you never ran fsck at all |
| 13:39.37 | Wyzard | fixUp: It's a completely optional precaution though; you can change the interval or disable it entirely if you want to |
| 13:39.49 | abrotman | Alex1: isn't that fakeraid? |
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| 13:40.15 | sidewalk | okey, maybe someone can help me out on how to install modules and where do find 'em? |
| 13:40.23 | blizzkid | abrotman: I know all of these channels, but like I said, I prefer #debian because of the level of knowledge, and I'm pretty certain my issue is NOT an Ubuntu-specific one, as I have exactly the same issue on a debian box |
| 13:40.23 | fixUp | Wyzard: Ok, I've never really tweaked ext3 at all, I've only really used it as the /boot partition and XFS for everything else |
| 13:40.24 | abrotman | which modules? |
| 13:40.41 | Wyzard | fixUp: You can adjust parameters like that with tune2fs |
| 13:40.44 | abrotman | blizzkid: not our problem, this channel does not support Ubuntu |
| 13:40.47 | dutchfish | blizzkid, i already told you, but so far i so no reason why this would not work anymore, its running on all my debian systems ... sorry i can not help your further .... also check TSIGs |
| 13:41.00 | Alex1 | abrotman, the guide tells the module is included in kernel 2.6.18 in etch |
| 13:41.17 | abrotman | Alex1: sounds like it should work then, errors? messages? |
| 13:41.37 | Alex1 | abrotman, no disk are present on installation |
| 13:41.40 | dutchfish | s/so/see |
| 13:41.46 | abrotman | Alex1: does the controller bios see them? |
| 13:41.54 | fixUp | Wyzard: I suppose it depends on the application for the fsck counts, on a laptop you probably want it much higher |
| 13:41.55 | H2OyJaBoN | somebody know if lenny's (net install ) kernel has sky2 module.....? |
| 13:41.57 | abrotman | Alex1: do you know which module drives it? |
| 13:42.02 | abrotman | !find sky2.ko lenny |
| 13:42.38 | moshii | fixUp: whatever calls fsck in debian is pretty clever, like fsck doesn't run if you're on batts |
| 13:42.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sky2.ko' (3 of 4): (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-486/kernel/drivers/net/sky2.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/sky2.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/sky2.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64. |
| 13:42.42 | Alex1 | abrotman, yes on bios they are ok |
| 13:42.49 | abrotman | H2OyJaBoN: i'll take that as a yes |
| 13:43.01 | H2OyJaBoN | abrotman, okey :) |
| 13:43.04 | abrotman | Alex1: does lspci see the card, do you know which driver it uses? |
| 13:43.05 | H2OyJaBoN | thk |
| 13:43.29 | Alex1 | abrotman, no idea but if you search on google or on areca site they tell it is native on etch's kernel |
| 13:43.44 | sidewalk | !find sstfb |
| 13:44.01 | fixUp | moshii: I wouldnt know about that really, my laptop has a battery life of about 2 mins so it's always plugged in :) |
| 13:44.07 | Wyzard | moshii: I'd hope it still runs if the problem was actual filesystem errors being detected, and not just the mount-count being reached |
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| 13:44.17 | abrotman | Alex1: if you get the lspci -nn numbers from the end of the line, you might be able to find out exactly which driver |
| 13:44.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'sstfb' (4 of 8): (/usr/share/doc/fbset/kernel-doc/sstfb.txt.gz) in admin/fbset ;; (/usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.24/Documentation/fb/sstfb.txt.gz) in doc/linux-doc-2.6.24 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-486/kernel/drivers/video/sstfb.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-486 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/video/sstfb.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.24-1-686. |
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| 13:47.09 | Alex1 | abrotman, arcmsr |
| 13:47.42 | abrotman | Alex1: i was actually looking for the numbers .. but okay |
| 13:48.32 | abrotman | and yes that driver is in etch, i was looking for the numbers to see if etch knew about it |
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| 13:58.03 | fixUp | moshii: finally off that serial consoole... :) now onto the RAID |
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| 13:59.10 | Allen | Saar, test |
| 13:59.10 | moshii | fixUp: make sure you don't make your /boot fs too complicated. make it RAID1 no lvm, ext3 ;) |
| 13:59.37 | fixUp | moshii: and XFS for the rest ;) |
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| 14:00.42 | dutchfish | hi, i am trying to install debian on my new mac with hardware raid and JBOD configured, does debian support JBOD? |
| 14:00.50 | moshii | fixUp: I always use a simple boot partition, then everything else in RAID1'ed LVM. That way you don't have to worry about the firmware being retarded about the number of partitions and other stuff |
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| 14:02.09 | cedric3 | hi all i want to install nfs4 but i have not found the package debian if you can help me please thanks |
| 14:02.24 | fixUp | moshii: is cfdisk i386 only ? |
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| 14:03.38 | dutchfish | !info nfs-common etch |
| 14:03.42 | abrotman | Maulkin: Should the testing security have a Contents-i386.gz ? |
| 14:03.51 | abrotman | hopes he still works on that stuff |
| 14:03.52 | cedric3 | nobody use nfsv4 |
| 14:04.04 | dpkg | nfs-common: (NFS support files common to client and server), section net, is standard. Version: 1:1.0.10-6+etch.1 (etch), Packaged size: 125 kB, Installed size: 388 kB |
| 14:04.12 | abrotman | not quite |
| 14:05.02 | moshii | fixUp: I dont't know if it would be useful on non-i386 if it only does pc style partition tables. |
| 14:05.25 | dutchfish | hah, just got my solution for the JBOD issue, shrink it with mac installer and install debian normally |
| 14:05.33 | fixUp | moshii: i've got parted running, not quite as nice but should do the job |
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| 14:06.38 | Maulkin | abrotman: no isea |
| 14:06.40 | Maulkin | *idea |
| 14:06.47 | abrotman | Maulkin: you don't do that stuff anymore? |
| 14:07.05 | abrotman | apologizes to Maulkin and runs to hide |
| 14:07.10 | Maulkin | abrotman: yes, but I'm not an ftpmaster :) |
| 14:07.43 | Maulkin | I don't control the archive format. I run a magic script and it rebuilds the archive on security.d.o with the right format |
| 14:07.51 | mfaraci | cedric3 what kernel you using? |
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| 14:08.33 | vjoe | hey |
| 14:08.53 | tahcX | anyone here uses debian distro on the ps3 ? |
| 14:08.57 | cedric3 | mfaraci : the etch kernel 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 14:09.26 | dutchfish | !tell tahcX about ask |
| 14:09.38 | mfaraci | cedric3 nfsv4 is built in 2.6 kernels |
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| 14:10.40 | tahcX | dutshfish , what do i type in terminal to install debian packages |
| 14:10.50 | liable | etch has -6 now? |
| 14:10.59 | cedric3 | mfaraci : the package nfs-common nfs-kernel-server on etch it's not nfsv4 |
| 14:11.13 | dutchfish | tahcX, normaly you can use apt-get install foo (man apt-get) |
| 14:11.47 | tahcX | i know about the apt-get install |
| 14:11.51 | cedric3 | mfaraci : you tell me if i use kernel 2.6 i use nfsv4 ? |
| 14:11.53 | tahcX | but whats the pakcgaes name ? |
| 14:12.02 | tahcX | dude, this is the first time i use debian |
| 14:12.15 | dutchfish | !tell tahcX about search |
| 14:12.18 | tahcX | if you know ur going to diss people ? |
| 14:12.33 | sidewalk | nobody around who can help out with hppa issues? |
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| 14:12.39 | vjoe | in which repository is FileZilla? |
| 14:12.41 | tahcX | why do ya even want them to ask you if anything ? |
| 14:13.17 | tahcX | please search rather just asking ? |
| 14:13.30 | |inuxmath | I've installed vmware server and vmware server console. How do I create a virtual machine after all??? |
| 14:13.41 | tahcX | you stupid douchebag |
| 14:13.46 | tahcX | besides being an op ? |
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| 14:13.47 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@bas7-montreal28-1178023567.dsl.bell.ca] by Maulkin |
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| 14:13.53 | abrotman | i always lose :( |
| 14:14.02 | sidewalk | does anyone know how i get my A1262A, Hewlett-Packard Company Visualize FX (rev 02) working under Debian for hppa? |
| 14:14.06 | Maulkin | had it queued. |
| 14:14.15 | moshii | |inuxmath: you've read the manual? or even tried the wizards it has? |
| 14:14.15 | abrotman | i got as far as / .. and you killed him :) |
| 14:14.29 | abrotman | he'll be back as soon as he gets a new IP |
| 14:14.35 | Maulkin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.44 | |inuxmath | moshii, i've been reading them all the day long |
| 14:14.46 | abrotman | i didn't get past the /!! |
| 14:15.01 | idimmu | is tahcx a troll, or just reaaaaaaaaally commited? |
| 14:15.31 | mfaraci | |inuxmath you can download the vmware server console to your desktop and access your vmware server remotely |
| 14:15.58 | dutchfish | idimmu, at least he was inpolite after i tried to help him |
| 14:15.58 | moshii | |inuxmath: you install the server, install the client, connect with client |
| 14:15.58 | |inuxmath | I dont need any remote access |
| 14:16.03 | |inuxmath | i need to create a machine |
| 14:16.07 | idimmu | yeah he was a bit of a dick |
| 14:16.23 | |inuxmath | doesnt the server tarball include a client? |
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| 14:16.47 | moshii | |inuxmath: the server has a web interface, that has links to the client |
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| 14:16.56 | ma3x | what's your opinion of dual core T2600 vs. core2duo T5450? |
| 14:16.58 | ma3x | which one is better? |
| 14:17.04 | moshii | |inuxmath: you would know this if you had read the docs/ used goggle |
| 14:17.13 | ma3x | the benchmarks show t2600 has 1100 points and c2d 900 |
| 14:17.20 | |inuxmath | moshii, yea, but how do i use the web interface? what address and what ports? |
| 14:17.30 | Maulkin | suggests ##hardware |
| 14:17.34 | moshii | |inuxmath: read the docs |
| 14:17.36 | |inuxmath | moshii, i know that |
| 14:17.48 | moshii | |inuxmath: they wouldn't leave important details like that out would they |
| 14:17.49 | mfaraci | |inuxmath use the server console, seperate download |
| 14:17.52 | dutchfish | ma3x, the T5450 has faster L1 but not as good as the later ones |
| 14:18.07 | Maulkin | |inuxmath: try #vmware |
| 14:18.07 | moshii | mfaraci: the webinterface has local links to the client |
| 14:18.11 | vjoe | in which repository is FileZilla? |
| 14:18.19 | moshii | mfaraci: he needs to learn to read if he's ever going to use it |
| 14:18.23 | ma3x | dutchfish, what's the L1 for? |
| 14:18.36 | mfaraci | yes but does not allow creation of vm guests |
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| 14:18.50 | |inuxmath | moshii, i've downloaded both vmware-server and vmware-server-consolde tarballs and made make-vmpkg |
| 14:19.00 | |inuxmath | then i installed all the deb's it produced |
| 14:19.04 | |inuxmath | now what? |
| 14:19.10 | cedric3 | Maulkin : any idea? |
| 14:19.15 | dutchfish | ma3x, http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2005/1122/kaigai225_01l.gif |
| 14:19.23 | moshii | |inuxmath: ls /usr/share/doc | grep vmware |
| 14:20.01 | |inuxmath | moshii, are you making fun of me? there is nothing but license agreements |
| 14:20.02 | moshii | dutchfish: that's the abroad version, those evil japs must be hiding something. ho ho |
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| 14:20.19 | dutchfish | moshii, yeh, saw that too |
| 14:20.29 | mfaraci | |inuxmath are you running gnome kde? |
| 14:20.34 | dutchfish | moshii, bugs maybe? |
| 14:20.38 | |inuxmath | mfaraci, kde |
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| 14:20.44 | dutchfish | moshii, hehe ;) |
| 14:20.45 | maligor | ma3x, since it's a mobile part, you might also be interested power use |
| 14:21.09 | mfaraci | KK have you checked your apps should have server concole if installed correctly |
| 14:21.17 | DavidProck1981 | im tring to compile something and i get this error, ... what is wrong? |
| 14:21.22 | DavidProck1981 | `sdl-config --libs` -lSDL_image -lSDL_mixer -lz -lGL -lGLU |
| 14:21.22 | DavidProck1981 | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
| 14:21.41 | maligor | DavidProck1981, you're missing opengl libraries |
| 14:21.43 | ma3x | maligor, so can you tell me the differences between those two T5450 and T2600 |
| 14:21.49 | ma3x | in performance |
| 14:22.01 | DavidProck1981 | what would i need ot install? |
| 14:22.02 | themill | vjoe: it's in the main repo for etch and sid but is not in lenny |
| 14:22.07 | moshii | dutchfish: nah, the kaigai version is so you can read all those English words mangled into katakana |
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| 14:22.10 | DavidProck1981 | exactly |
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| 14:22.16 | maligor | ma3x, didn't you say you had found benchmarks on it? |
| 14:22.16 | _pike_ | hi |
| 14:22.25 | dutchfish | moshii, ok |
| 14:22.27 | vjoe | themill, why not in lenny?! |
| 14:22.36 | themill | !why is filezilla not in testing |
| 14:22.37 | dpkg | filezilla is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=filezilla |
| 14:22.40 | themill | vjoe: ^^ |
| 14:22.47 | _pike_ | is there a way to use debian as a xgrid (grid computing solution from apple) controller? |
| 14:22.48 | moshii | dutchfish: there are bugs in the core processors though... |
| 14:22.48 | maligor | DavidProck1981, libgl1-mesa-glx perhaps |
| 14:22.49 | vjoe | super-bot :P |
| 14:22.52 | ma3x | maligor, i did but they say the t2600 is better, however it's a little cheaper... i dont get it why |
| 14:22.59 | dutchfish | moshii, yes, thats what i meant |
| 14:23.18 | vjoe | I will grab it from unstable then, thanks |
| 14:23.23 | dutchfish | delving into 7250 series |
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| 14:23.24 | themill | DavidProck1981: apt-file is your friend. apt-file search libGL.a |
| 14:23.30 | grobot | i'm needing to setup load balance, redundant fail over for ftp and mysql? i'd prefer it to happen on a layer 2 or layer 3 level, is this possible? |
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| 14:23.47 | idimmu | grobot: google keepalived, linux virtual server |
| 14:23.57 | idimmu | lvsadmin is pretty sweet too |
| 14:24.05 | grobot | idimmu: thanks |
| 14:24.22 | moshii | grobot: you need a content switch or something then? |
| 14:24.42 | maligor | ma3x, maybe the C2D includes additional multimedia commands and EM64T |
| 14:24.58 | grobot | moshii: yeah , but i cant afford a 10G content switch :) |
| 14:25.13 | Phil4 | does anyone know of a good tutorial for iptables on blocking all inbound traffic except packets which are part of a data stream the server itself has initiated? |
| 14:25.16 | moshii | maligor: the core didnt have sse3? |
| 14:25.52 | moshii | grobot: you might want to consider an linux-ha setup then |
| 14:25.57 | mfaraci | |inuxmath you can also type vmware in shell if setup correctly |
| 14:25.59 | maligor | moshii, I'm not really sure, it was just a guess, hence 'maybe' |
| 14:26.14 | grobot | moshii: well im doing vmware, but i need daemon clustering |
| 14:26.15 | dutchfish | Phil4, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-iptables-4-block-all-incoming-traffic-but-allow-ssh.html |
| 14:26.21 | moshii | maligor: wasn't picking, just wondered ;) |
| 14:26.25 | ma3x | does anybody know 945GME? |
| 14:26.33 | ma3x | does it have sharers, T&L .... ? |
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| 14:26.47 | grobot | moshii: well i shouldnt say clustering, i need fail over, on an layer 3 level |
| 14:26.53 | moshii | ma3x: you're asking in the wrong place |
| 14:26.58 | the-dude_ | Phil4: check out shorewall |
| 14:27.03 | maligor | ma3x, the TDP on the two processors look odd too |
| 14:27.39 | grobot | moshii: i didnt know if there was a multicast trick or something i could pull |
| 14:27.57 | moshii | grobot: with HA, if one machine in the pack falls out the other takes the cluster ip and takes over |
| 14:28.09 | maligor | T5450 runs at 1.075-1.175 VID at 1.66GHz, T2600 would be 1.25V-1.4V at 2.16 GHz, and intel says the T5450 uses more juice (4W difference) |
| 14:28.16 | mfaraci | |inuxmath did you get it? |
| 14:28.21 | grobot | moshii: i guess i could run that with in my vmware world? |
| 14:28.39 | |inuxmath | mfaraci, no |
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| 14:29.01 | mfaraci | |inuxmath did you try typing vmware in terminal? |
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| 14:29.06 | moshii | grobot: you just need some way of transmitting the heartbeat from one vm to the other so that it can tell when it's partner has failed |
| 14:29.06 | |inuxmath | mfaraci, i've read about the 8333 port and i see the browser window that manages it |
| 14:29.23 | |inuxmath | mfaraci, bash: vmware: command not found |
| 14:29.28 | mfaraci | |inuxmath cool so whats the problem? |
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| 14:29.35 | }MatriX{ | any photoshop expert ? |
| 14:29.38 | grobot | moshii: how does the clustered ip work? layer 2 layer 3? |
| 14:29.49 | moshii | grobot: and you need to setup your host so that it forwards packets for the cluster ip to both vm nics |
| 14:29.58 | |inuxmath | mfaraci, it doesnt offer ___creating___ a vritual machine |
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| 14:30.12 | mfaraci | |inuxmath so you found it in kde? |
| 14:30.13 | |inuxmath | mfaraci, there are just two boxes for login and password |
| 14:30.26 | idimmu | so what you're saying moshii is |
| 14:30.31 | idimmu | keepalived and linux virtual server?! |
| 14:30.32 | |inuxmath | what does kde have to do with it? |
| 14:30.32 | moshii | grobot: in your situation, both machines would get all packets coming in, but only the one with the cluster ip at that time would do anything with them |
| 14:30.39 | grobot | moshii: or all 12 of my vm nics ;) |
| 14:30.44 | mfaraci | |inuxmath once you login you will be able to create view and edit your vm machines |
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| 14:31.02 | grobot | moshii: nice, ok... i'll go read, that sounds like what i need |
| 14:31.12 | moshii | grobot: in a normal network setup, the ip would pass on to the alive machine and thus everything in the network would start passing stuff it's way |
| 14:31.27 | mfaraci | |inuxmath have you logged in? should be root password |
| 14:31.40 | grobot | moshii: so the active machine gets the roaming cluster ip? |
| 14:31.48 | idimmu | yes |
| 14:31.56 | |inuxmath | mfaraci, username = root and the roots password? |
| 14:32.05 | mfaraci | yes |
| 14:32.07 | grobot | moshii: is it stable, does it work well? |
| 14:32.12 | idimmu | you can configure the machines with weights too grobot to configure what order they take over in |
| 14:32.21 | moshii | grobot: it's used in lots of production setups |
| 14:32.24 | grobot | idimmu: nice |
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| 14:32.32 | moshii | grobot: not sure about with VMs but worth a try |
| 14:32.35 | idimmu | grobot: we've been running > 100 servers using these techniques here for ~5 years if not more |
| 14:32.38 | idimmu | so yeah |
| 14:32.41 | idimmu | (we do it with VMs too) |
| 14:32.49 | idimmu | we have ~30 xen vms using keepalived |
| 14:33.00 | idimmu | and vrrp |
| 14:33.08 | dutchfish | idimmu, xen 3.03? |
| 14:33.09 | grobot | idimmu: what happens on the switch level? anything? or does the change in ip, change the mac on the switch and its all transparent? |
| 14:33.18 | grobot | in/with |
| 14:33.38 | |inuxmath | mfaraci, ok, did it. But still dont see "create a new virtual machine" |
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| 14:33.51 | mfaraci | KK goto file new |
| 14:34.05 | idimmu | transparent |
| 14:34.10 | grobot | idimmu: nice |
| 14:34.16 | moshii | grobot: at switch level, you'd have to make sure traffic for the cluster ip can get to the right host machines |
| 14:34.22 | idimmu | yup |
| 14:34.29 | idimmu | if its managed |
| 14:34.31 | DavidProck1981 | themill: apt-file search libGL.a REturns nothing ? |
| 14:34.31 | grobot | idimmu: sure same vlan what ever |
| 14:34.36 | idimmu | yah |
| 14:34.37 | grobot | is it hard to configure? |
| 14:34.40 | idimmu | nope |
| 14:34.42 | idimmu | um |
| 14:34.49 | grobot | its just called linux ha? |
| 14:34.53 | idimmu | its easy :D |
| 14:34.57 | dutchfish | idimmu, xen 3.03? |
| 14:35.00 | idimmu | no, keepalived and linux virtual server |
| 14:35.07 | idimmu | er i will check dutch |
| 14:35.11 | idimmu | (im eating atm!) |
| 14:35.20 | dutchfish | idimmu, ok, np thank you |
| 14:35.28 | themill | DavidProck1981: it shouldn't. Did you apt-file update after installing it? |
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| 14:35.42 | grobot | idimmu & moshii: thanks for the info, im going to go play :) |
| 14:35.43 | DavidProck1981 | oh no |
| 14:35.50 | idimmu | xen 3.1.0 |
| 14:36.04 | idimmu | np |
| 14:36.06 | themill | DavidProck1981: btw it might actually be the .so or .la file you want... apt-file search libGL and then look at the package descriptions of what it returns. |
| 14:36.30 | dutchfish | idimmu, ok, good, had some problems with 3.03 and the network stack, should be solved then in 3.1 |
| 14:36.39 | mfaraci | |inuxmath once you have gone to file, new and created a new vm, put the OS install disk in your cd drive or point the cd drive under vm properties to a OS image, then turn on vm machine you will see it boot in console, install is the same process as a standard install on any given machine |
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| 14:38.13 | DavidProck1981 | how long does apt-file update take cause it has not returned hte prompt yeat |
| 14:38.28 | the-dude_ | DavidProck1981: should not take long |
| 14:38.42 | dutchfish | 1 - 2 min |
| 14:38.48 | mohamed_ | hello all, i have wireless lan sometimes when i donnect t oa computer running debian etch connection stopped and i have to restart network on this computer, is there a method to know what happen ? |
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| 14:39.36 | idimmu | grobot: not wanting to whore, but .. http://www.idimmu.net/2008/01/08/High-availability-with-LVS-using-LVSadmin may be useful depending on which technique you choose to implement |
| 14:39.40 | cedric3 | nodoby use nfsv4 on debian etch ? |
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| 14:41.25 | hoxu[dagr] | I have a problem with SATA disks, BIOS properly detects all three of them (a-c) but "fdisk -l" lists only the first one. Any suggestions how to go about debugging this? I have an ubuntu livecd at hand and I guess I can burn debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for rescue mode |
| 14:41.39 | themill | DavidProck1981: you can also use packages.debian.org to search for files in packages. |
| 14:41.40 | hoxu[dagr] | what are the chances it's a hardware problem (not enough power?) if bios detects them OK? |
| 14:43.17 | ma3x | whats SD/MS/MMC/MSPRO |
| 14:43.40 | abrotman | DavidProck1981: can take quite awhile depending on how many sources you have |
| 14:43.47 | hoxu[dagr] | ma3x, memory cards? |
| 14:43.50 | dutchfish | hoxu[dagr], are those disks all exactly the same? |
| 14:43.58 | ma3x | hoxu[dagr], what kind of memory cards on a laptop?? |
| 14:44.12 | hoxu[dagr] | dutchfish, nope, but two of them are from the same vendor |
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| 14:44.46 | grobot | idimmu: if you are going to be a whore be a good one :) thx |
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| 14:45.02 | dutchfish | hoxu[dagr], are those 2 the ones that are not listed? |
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| 14:45.26 | hoxu[dagr] | dutchfish, nope, one disk is listed and another not from the same vendor |
| 14:45.47 | dutchfish | hoxu[dagr], that increases the change of an hardware issue |
| 14:45.49 | ma3x | what do you use the express card for? |
| 14:45.50 | ma3x | pcmcia? |
| 14:45.57 | ma3x | or connecting a hard disk? |
| 14:46.02 | DavidProck1981 | but how do i tell what package this wants ... `sdl-config --libs` -lSDL_image -lSDL_mixer -lz -lGL -lGLU ... its asking aboutr the -lGL |
| 14:46.10 | abrotman | libGL |
| 14:46.15 | abrotman | -dev or something like that |
| 14:46.21 | hoxu[dagr] | dutchfish, I'm starting to think it's a hardware problem... I just wish I could burn a testing iso that is actually recognized by the DVD drive, ubuntu takes aeons to boot :) |
| 14:46.24 | dutchfish | hoxu[dagr], what kernel? 2.6.25/ |
| 14:46.29 | abrotman | usually .. `apt-cache search -- lib<FOO> -dev` |
| 14:46.41 | mfaraci | cedric3 if you have nfs-common installled, read the folowing /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4 |
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| 14:47.08 | hoxu[dagr] | dutchfish, custom 2.6.24.z unfortunately... the debian kernel may be too old to support the hardware (note to self: install a debian stock kernel before screwing up with hardware) :) |
| 14:47.17 | solemnwarning | Can su be configured to allow user a to chroot to user b without a password? |
| 14:47.24 | solemnwarning | erm, s/chroot/su/ |
| 14:47.53 | dutchfish | hoxu[dagr], i have good exp with komutu ones, also i am running on vinallia 2.6.25 atm with latest hardware, very nice |
| 14:48.41 | dutchfish | hoxu[dagr], what happens whenyou connect only 2 disks? |
| 14:49.25 | themill | DavidProck1981: what are you building? |
| 14:49.35 | hoxu[dagr] | dutchfish, going to test that too, once I get the CD burned... it's a 500W PSU though |
| 14:49.52 | dutchfish | hoxu[dagr], should be more then enough for only 3 disks |
| 14:49.54 | DavidProck1981 | sauerbraten |
| 14:50.07 | Hinata | Hi, is there someone who could help me: I have a problem with my wifi: http://pastebin.org/33010 |
| 14:50.08 | dutchfish | hoxu[dagr], mmm |
| 14:50.15 | Hinata | ^^' |
| 14:50.21 | themill | DavidProck1981: are you aware that's already packaged for debian? |
| 14:50.29 | hoxu[dagr] | dutchfish, one suspect is the power cables |
| 14:50.40 | dutchfish | hoxu[dagr], good point |
| 14:50.59 | DavidProck1981 | ok now i think i got some shit screwed up i have an ati card, what gl stuff do i need to install |
| 14:51.01 | spq | anyone famillar with wpa_suppliant or knows where i can ask? (i either get an error, that the ie is wrong or it says that the ap is not wpa enabled, depending on wpa_supplicants version) |
| 14:51.14 | DavidProck1981 | themill im recompiling, making mods |
| 14:51.36 | dutchfish | hoxu[dagr], and dont twist them into loops (coil induction) |
| 14:51.40 | hoxu[dagr] | spq, think this is a good place to ask |
| 14:51.41 | themill | DavidProck1981: OK. But you could still "apt-get build-dep sauerbraten" to install all the build-deps. |
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| 14:52.00 | Phil4 | iptables rules are wiped on reboot, aren't they? |
| 14:52.12 | hoxu[dagr] | Phil4, correct |
| 14:52.19 | hoxu[dagr] | Phil4, use iptables-save and iptables-restore |
| 14:52.24 | Phil4 | hrmmm, odd |
| 14:52.32 | DavidProck1981 | i dont use apt-get i use aptitiude, what would be the command with that , did u forget install? |
| 14:52.33 | mfaraci | Hinata have you tried http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php |
| 14:52.41 | Phil4 | acidentally blocked all inbound traffic and a reboot hasn't cured it |
| 14:52.48 | Phil4 | will contact the DC. thanks :) |
| 14:53.09 | hoxu[dagr] | Phil4, show us the output of "iptables -nL -v"? :) |
| 14:53.12 | catsup | i love the name wpa_supplicant |
| 14:53.21 | themill | DavidProck1981: aptitude can't do build-dep like that, but you can still apt-get build-dep without any problems. Or you can apt-cache showsrc sauerbraten and look at the build-dep line |
| 14:53.29 | Phil4 | hoxu[dagr], how can I do that, I can't access the box |
| 14:53.29 | Phil4 | lol |
| 14:53.43 | Hinata | mfaraci: what do I do with that? |
| 14:53.51 | Hinata | ^^' |
| 14:53.53 | dutchfish | Phil4, ipmi or draq or remote-kvm? |
| 14:53.55 | hoxu[dagr] | Phil4, did you install any firewall software on the box? |
| 14:54.07 | Phil4 | hoxu[dagr], no |
| 14:54.17 | hoxu[dagr] | then iptables should be wiped at reboot |
| 14:54.18 | DavidProck1981 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.33 | abrotman | damn gamers |
| 14:54.35 | mfaraci | download the 3.0 and reload it into your kernel |
| 14:54.40 | Phil4 | it may not have actually been rebooted, of course |
| 14:54.40 | abrotman | get a PS3 you weenie! |
| 14:54.51 | dutchfish | abrotman, exactly ;) |
| 14:54.56 | catsup | Phil4: maybe someone stole the box |
| 14:54.59 | Phil4 | DC has an automatic hardware reset feature in their management panel but whether it works is another question |
| 14:55.00 | DavidProck1981 | who |
| 14:55.05 | dutchfish | abrotman, and install debian on it :) |
| 14:55.13 | themill | DavidProck1981: you need a deb-src line in your sources.list for that to work |
| 14:55.21 | the-dude_ | yeah debian+ps= nice |
| 14:55.22 | mfaraci | Hinata you understand how to do? |
| 14:55.22 | Phil4 | catsup, that's an angle I haven't considered, thanks ;) |
| 14:55.25 | DavidProck1981 | what is hte line |
| 14:55.34 | spq | with wpa_supplicant version <= 0.6.1 i get this message for wap enabled aps: wpa_parse_wpa_ie_wpa: malformed ie or unknown version -> skip WPA IE - parse failed |
| 14:55.51 | catsup | wpa sucks |
| 14:55.53 | spq | s/wap/wpa/ |
| 14:56.04 | themill | DavidProck1981: same as one of your normal mirror lines, but with deb-src instead of deb at the front (and sid instead of etch in the middle) |
| 14:56.05 | spq | theres no secure alternative |
| 14:56.11 | catsup | of course there is |
| 14:56.16 | Hinata | mfaraci: I think |
| 14:56.23 | catsup | there's like 2309209 vpn solutions |
| 14:56.36 | DavidProck1981 | what is the line supposed to be |
| 14:56.50 | DavidProck1981 | after hte deb-src |
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| 14:56.58 | spq | okay, but none which is used by hotspots like those of the eduroam network |
| 14:57.07 | Hinata | no sure but I think |
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| 14:57.24 | mfaraci | Hinata once you unarchive the file, run this reload ipw2200 $/sbin/modprobe -r ipw2200 |
| 14:57.29 | spq | and i have to use it, dont wanna switch to windows just to have internet in the university |
| 14:57.41 | mfaraci | then restart ipw2200 $/sbin/modprobe ipw2200 |
| 14:57.56 | catsup | spq: yes, but that's not to say there's no alternative; one might as well say there's no alternative to microsoft office just because some stupid universities require it... |
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| 14:58.02 | Phil4 | which uni is that, spq? |
| 14:58.19 | spq | Phil4, rwth/fh aachen |
| 14:58.30 | Phil4 | ah |
| 14:58.34 | Phil4 | we have Eduroam here also |
| 14:58.37 | DavidProck1981 | ??? deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
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| 14:58.45 | Phil4 | wasn't aware it was some kind of general thing but wikipedia suggests differently |
| 14:58.47 | mfaraci | Hinata you may have to restart the machine if that does not work |
| 14:59.00 | catsup | spq: i understand you still have to use it. that's why i like the name wpa_supplicant. *you're* the wpa supplicant! |
| 14:59.02 | themill | DavidProck1981: looks fine |
| 14:59.20 | DavidProck1981 | themill i allready had that in there |
| 14:59.26 | Phil4 | although I can't use it as the client they make us install to use it has major issues with Vista |
| 14:59.46 | mfaraci | Hinata is this an IBM? |
| 14:59.49 | Hinata | mfaraci: ok ^^ |
| 15:00.01 | spq | Phil4, hm it is accessible by wpa1&2 here |
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| 15:00.33 | spq | Phil4, are you from germany or uk? |
| 15:00.36 | themill | DavidProck1981: have you run an apt-get update recently? |
| 15:00.47 | Phil4 | spq, uk |
| 15:00.51 | DavidProck1981 | aptitude update, yes |
| 15:00.58 | spq | (because of your servername ;) |
| 15:01.09 | Phil4 | yeh, am tunneling through one of my servers in Germany |
| 15:01.09 | spq | germanserver.co.uk - a bit weird ;) |
| 15:01.09 | themill | DavidProck1981: gah... just use the apt-cache showsrc line and manually install the packages it mentions. easier. |
| 15:01.16 | Phil4 | this firewall doesn't like IRC |
| 15:01.40 | DavidProck1981 | hot to use apt-cache showsrc |
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| 15:02.07 | DavidProck1981 | how* |
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| 15:02.34 | spq | ok, but back to my question - no one famillar with wpa and wpa_supplicant? it could either be a wpa_supplicant or a driver issue, right? |
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| 15:02.57 | spq | wep works fine, wpa not |
| 15:02.58 | DavidProck1981 | apt-cache showsrc returned nothing |
| 15:03.21 | Hinata | mfaraci: bash: reload: command not found |
| 15:03.24 | honkytonk_ | What is needed to get the bios setting "Power after AC loss = LAST STATE" to work? It works with "ALWAYS POWER ON" but not "LAST STATE". What APM/ACPI settings do I need? |
| 15:03.53 | spq | Phil4, this eduroam is usefull when all those universitys use it, then you can go anywhere and have wlan with your own account :) |
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| 15:04.04 | Phil4 | oh, cool |
| 15:04.07 | Phil4 | wasn't aware of that |
| 15:04.24 | Hinata | ^^' |
| 15:04.25 | Phil4 | it's offered to us here as the "secure alternative to cuwifi" |
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| 15:04.52 | skyowner | hi |
| 15:05.03 | skyowner | i have a file containing a mail with attachments |
| 15:05.15 | skyowner | how could i extract that base64 attachment from the mail |
| 15:05.28 | skyowner | (my problem is that the mail is a text file :( |
| 15:05.43 | Hinata | mfaraci: IBM? |
| 15:05.56 | DavidProck1981 | /connect irc.sauerbraten.org |
| 15:06.08 | twobitwork | if you have multiple mirrors in you sources.list, does apt get packages from the first mirror listed if available? |
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| 15:06.23 | mfaraci | Hinata K try this tar xzvf ipw2200-fw-3.0.tgz -C /lib/firmware |
| 15:06.23 | mfaraci | mv /lib/firware/ipw2200-fw-3.0/* /lib/firmware |
| 15:06.23 | mfaraci | rmdir /lib/firmware/ipw2200-fw-3.0 |
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| 15:07.38 | mfaraci | then modprobe -r ipw2200, then modprobe ipw2200 |
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| 15:08.46 | Hinata | ok |
| 15:08.52 | mfaraci | Hinata you may have to reboot after the following |
| 15:09.00 | Hinata | ok ^^ |
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| 15:09.05 | dishwasher | hi |
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| 15:11.10 | dishwasher | i have a system which has this is /etc/hosts: "10.45.0.45 z1-appliance-config z1-appliance-config.testdomain.loc" but 'dnsdomainname -d' returns nothing. isn't this related? |
| 15:11.30 | dishwasher | put differnetly, what do i need to do fopr dnsdomainname -d to return 'testdomain.loc'? |
| 15:11.46 | abrotman | dishwasher: what does `host z1-appliance-config` return ? |
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| 15:12.11 | dishwasher | abrotman, host: command not found |
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| 15:12.34 | s_andy | hi |
| 15:12.43 | dishwasher | abrotman, ping does this: PING z1-appliance-config (10.45.0.45) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 15:12.47 | hoxu[dagr] | !installit |
| 15:12.47 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 15:12.47 | Hinata | mfaraci: thank you very very very much!!!! |
| 15:12.49 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 15:13.13 | mfaraci | Hinata NP Cheers! |
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| 15:13.18 | s_andy | does anyone know how to convert typescript + timings file to some video (eg, avi)? I guess this can be done with xvidcap... but maybe some more "native" way? |
| 15:13.19 | abrotman | how about nslookup ? |
| 15:13.56 | elif | HI, is there a way to have opengl library doc in debian ? I look up for package with but didn't found, so I think there isn't anyone; as I found there is .rpm packages that have it, Before I try to install them do I missing anything ? thks |
| 15:14.01 | mfaraci | dishwasher put search testdomain.loc in resolv.conf |
| 15:14.20 | dishwasher | abrotman, not there either. but their output would be misleading anyway, no? i assume dnsdomainname would rely on the c resolver |
| 15:14.37 | akio | is there a utility to configure nfs for dummies? |
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| 15:14.54 | catsup | twobitwork: yes |
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| 15:15.11 | dishwasher | mfaraci, "search testdomain.loc" is already there. |
| 15:15.21 | twobitwork | catsup: thanks ... I just found out that IBM has a local mirror of debian, but I wanted to keep the official one on there just in case :) |
| 15:15.23 | LemensTS | How do i get folders to show as a different color then text when i ssh into my debian? |
| 15:15.38 | catsup | twobitwork: says apt_preferences(5): "Several instances of the same version of a package may be available when the sources.list(5) file contains references to more than one source. In this case apt-get downloads the instance listed earliest in the sources.list(5) file." |
| 15:15.40 | LemensTS | (when i do the ls command for example) |
| 15:15.45 | elif | by the way, way maintainer of opengl related packages did not packaged also the docs... ? licensing ? |
| 15:15.50 | elif | *why |
| 15:16.11 | twobitwork | catsup: ahh... yeah, I checked every other apt related manpage... :P |
| 15:16.16 | catsup | :) |
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| 15:16.23 | Quatemoc | Hi |
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| 15:16.41 | mfaraci | dishwasher what does dnsdomainname -d return? |
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| 15:16.53 | catsup | LemensTS: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 15:16.56 | xann | Hello, I just did an debian install: is "frank" the default "dummy"-user in debian? (checked out my passwd file: frank:x:1000:1000:frank,,,:/home/frank:/bin/bash) |
| 15:17.04 | elif | akio: as far as I know... NO. |
| 15:17.12 | akio | lol |
| 15:17.30 | elif | akio: but it easy to configure a nfs. |
| 15:17.50 | catsup | xann: no |
| 15:18.06 | catsup | xann: it asks you what user you want to create during install |
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| 15:19.53 | dishwasher | mfaraci, nothing, that's why i'm here |
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| 15:20.16 | xann | thanks for the info catsup |
| 15:21.04 | mfaraci | dishwasher i believe dnsdomainname will return the portion of FQDN in hosts file, make sure 127.0.1.1 is host.testdomain.loc |
| 15:21.17 | LemensTS | catsup: sweet thanks |
| 15:21.33 | elif | get tired of searching for doc package for *mesa-dev... |
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| 15:22.53 | mfaraci | dishwasher you there? |
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| 15:23.49 | dishwasher | mfaraci, yes, but on the phone, brb |
| 15:23.58 | mfaraci | KK |
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| 15:26.45 | dishwasher | mfaraci, normally, you set the fqdn on the public ip address, not the one bound to the loopback interface |
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| 15:27.23 | topeira | Hi |
| 15:27.36 | topeira | anyone using 2.6.25 with sis190 ethernet? |
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| 15:28.15 | topeira | for some reason, the module compilation was disabled in 2.6.25 |
| 15:28.21 | dishwasher | mfaraci, so it should not be "127.0.0.1 host.testdomain.loc" in /etc/hosts but "10.45.0.45 z1-appliance-config z1-appliance-config.testdomain.loc" - and that's what it is. |
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| 15:29.47 | mfaraci | dishwasher sorry brb |
| 15:29.53 | Seldaek | heya, I have a couple questions about symlinks, first I'd like to know how they are handled for example if you copy a directory that contains a symlink through SCP (while doing backup) and then restore that on another server later, does the symlink still works or will it contain the linked data or will it contain nothing and you must rebuild all links by hand ? |
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| 15:30.29 | bony | i am getting an error when ever i try to open wireshark from root in my login it says "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" how to fix it? |
| 15:30.33 | Seldaek | second, what happens if the target directory of a symlink moves and is then replaced by a new directory, does the link points to the old dir that moved or to the new one that took its place ? |
| 15:32.13 | Quatemoc | Does anyone know how can I avoid firefox using libgcjwebplugin.so to handle java and use suns java plugin? Thanks on forehand |
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| 15:33.56 | dishwasher | ah, found it, it was the order or hostnames in /etc/hosts |
| 15:34.08 | dishwasher | wrong: "10.45.0.45 z1-appliance-config z1-appliance-config.testdomain.loc" |
| 15:34.21 | dcnoye | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:34.26 | dishwasher | correct: "10.45.0.45 z1-appliance-config.testdomain.loc z1-appliance-config" |
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| 15:35.01 | dishwasher | mfaraci, abrotman ^^ fyi |
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| 15:35.29 | hoxu[dagr] | dcnoye, do you have "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 15:36.09 | dcnoye | yes |
| 15:36.36 | dcnoye | actually ... no |
| 15:36.58 | dcnoye | i have allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 15:37.17 | dcnoye | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 15:37.46 | dcnoye | and of course the loopback : iface lo inet loopback |
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| 15:38.33 | rhineheart_m | hello..I have this error: starting ftp server: proftpd-- "severname.com" adress/port (X.X.X.X:21) is use by "proftpd" |
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| 15:39.42 | mfaraci | dishwasher what exaclty are you trying to acomplish, maybe i misunderstood |
| 15:40.10 | dishwasher | mfaraci, it's already fixed, thanks |
| 15:40.33 | mfaraci | KK |
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| 15:42.32 | dishwasher | rhineheart_m: try this: /etc/init.d/proftpd stop; sleep 10 ; /etc/init.d/proftpd stop |
| 15:42.36 | dishwasher | then start it again |
| 15:43.09 | rhineheart_m | what does that command mean? the sleep 10 string |
| 15:43.42 | dishwasher | you appear to have proftpd running already, those commands will try to shut it down twice. between those two attemopts to shut it down, there will be a 10 second break |
| 15:44.00 | dishwasher | ...as some dameons may take a little to shut down |
| 15:45.39 | cct | is there a way to figure out which dns-server (BIND, PowerDNS for example) is running on a remote dns-server? |
| 15:46.02 | rhineheart_m | thanks dishwasher |
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| 15:46.21 | skyowner | is there a way to extract attachment froma mail message in command line ? |
| 15:46.32 | idimmu | cct: nessus ? |
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| 15:49.29 | cct | idummu: thank you |
| 15:50.19 | mfaraci | skyowner mailx? |
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| 15:50.29 | cct | and.. is there a way to detect if a process is not responding? i'd like to write a little shellscript which terminates a process using kill when it's not responding any more (and restart the process afterwards) |
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| 15:51.43 | abrotman | cct: there are some process descriptions that can clue you in .. not sure about "not responding" 100% |
| 15:53.42 | cct | well, ps -elf has adds the string "<defunct>" to it...maybe so there's a way using ps -elf | grep daemon_name [further code] to handle that |
| 15:54.02 | abrotman | right .. D and Z are usually good indicators something has gone awry |
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| 15:55.01 | cct | D and Z ? |
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| 16:17.01 | idimmu | does anyone know of any autobuild solutions better than preseeding+puppet? |
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| 16:20.37 | PriitM | I wonder if I should be worried, if rkhunter gives warnings about: /usr/sbin/unhide; /usr/sbin/unhide-linux26 and Performing trojan specific checks Checking for enabled inetd services. Google didn't give much info(or I'm awful searcher T_T) |
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| 16:30.19 | joltcan | PriitM: Yes, you should be worried. There are no unhide binary in the debian package repository anyway |
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| 16:31.34 | PriitM | ahh does not matter anyways, I'm too much of a moron to fix it |
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| 16:32.03 | joltcan | PriitM: Reinstall and use better passwords, update often and use a firewall |
| 16:33.03 | Seldaek | any clue why ps aux returns 1006 (user id) instead of my user name ? can it be because it's too long ? |
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| 16:33.58 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.06 | joltcan | Seldaek: How long is it? |
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| 16:34.19 | Seldaek | joltcan: 9chars |
| 16:34.26 | joltcan | Lagbolt: Not in those places anyway |
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| 16:35.08 | Lagbolt | joltcan, that is where they go |
| 16:35.14 | Lagbolt | dpkg -L on uhide |
| 16:35.14 | dpkg | ii on uhide 1.4-11.2 lagbolt's private porn collection |
| 16:35.15 | TYsiEK | hello people I have a question about internet configuration in debian |
| 16:35.21 | Lagbolt | -rwxr-xr-x root/root 520276 2008-01-05 05:53 ./usr/sbin/unhide-linux26 |
| 16:35.31 | tarzeau | !ask |
| 16:35.31 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:36.02 | joltcan | Seldaek: yeah, then it is why |
| 16:36.09 | TYsiEK | in the interfaces file I have settings like: network, gateway, address, broadcast... where are dns for example ? |
| 16:36.19 | idimmu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:36.22 | PriitM | TYsiEK, /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:36.24 | TYsiEK | what's the difference between windows and linux configuration here ? |
| 16:36.34 | Seldaek | joltcan: okay, thanks. I have a fuck up somewhere and was wondering if it could be linked to that, but I guess not then |
| 16:36.37 | TYsiEK | thank you PriitM |
| 16:36.45 | joltcan | Lagbolt: Didn't return a hit on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages anyway |
| 16:37.08 | DaRtH_VaDeR | hi! i have a problem with my genius tablet WP5540U running on debian sid and debian etch too :/ it recognize the mouse but doesnt move with the pen!!! any idea what could be wrong ? |
| 16:37.12 | TYsiEK | can you show me som website with differences between settings in windows and debian ? |
| 16:37.13 | Lagbolt | unhide is in testing and unstable on my machine |
| 16:37.20 | PriitM | unusual about rkhunter output was that I did 4 tests and 3rd test gave: Checking for group file changes |
| 16:37.32 | PriitM | that's a warning* |
| 16:37.47 | joltcan | TYsiEK: I have no idea what you are looking for, please elaborate |
| 16:38.06 | idimmu | TYsiEK: the values will be the same .. |
| 16:38.41 | TYsiEK | I just want to close down my debian server and set up router on it's place :) |
| 16:38.56 | TYsiEK | and I need to write settings from server with debian (internet settings) into router settings |
| 16:39.06 | Lagbolt | unhide <-- http://pastebin.ca/1003041 |
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| 16:39.38 | TYsiEK | in router settings I have IP Address, IP Subnet Mask, Gateway IP Address and DNS |
| 16:40.09 | TYsiEK | but in debian I have some network and broadband address so network means ip address ? :D |
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| 16:40.35 | idimmu | yes |
| 16:40.54 | Bushmills | TYsiEK: braodcast address? |
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| 16:41.00 | Bushmills | broad |
| 16:41.22 | Bushmills | that's an ip address too, just one which is replied to by any machine with the same address |
| 16:42.22 | TYsiEK | okay |
| 16:42.25 | TYsiEK | I have DSL modem |
| 16:42.26 | Bushmills | those are not debian/linux/windows specific things |
| 16:42.46 | TYsiEK | so this network is just IP address of my modem, right ? |
| 16:42.56 | Bushmills | no quite |
| 16:42.57 | Bushmills | not |
| 16:43.02 | TYsiEK | hmmm |
| 16:43.23 | idimmu | TYsiEK: you should be able to solve all this with the paperwork from your ISP and the docs for the modem/router |
| 16:43.31 | idimmu | you shouldnt need to confuse yourself with the linux box |
| 16:43.34 | Bushmills | an address is split into two portions. one is to address the network, and the other the machines on the network |
| 16:44.07 | Bushmills | and the network address is just that one portion of the whole address |
| 16:44.08 | TYsiEK | idimmu my paperwork with modem settings is about 25 miles from me :D |
| 16:44.41 | Bushmills | say you have a local address of 192.168.1.10, and your neighbour has 192.168.1.15 ... |
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| 16:44.54 | Bushmills | then your network address is (very likely) 192.168.1.0 |
| 16:45.03 | Bushmills | i.e. all 192.168.1.1 - 192.168.1.255 |
| 16:45.15 | TYsiEK | hmmm yes |
| 16:45.59 | Bushmills | usually given as either 192.168.1.0/24 or 192.168.1.0 and netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 16:47.10 | Bushmills | but if you have a dsl router, you should be fine by just running a dhcp client on your desktop machine. |
| 16:47.23 | TYsiEK | ok now I know |
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| 16:47.31 | Bushmills | the rest is what the dsl router has to be bothered about.only |
| 16:47.34 | TYsiEK | address is just ip address of my server |
| 16:47.42 | TYsiEK | netmask just like in windows |
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| 16:48.08 | TYsiEK | hmmm but network |
| 16:48.14 | Bushmills | same as i windows |
| 16:48.16 | Bushmills | in |
| 16:48.32 | Bushmills | those things are not defined by the OS but by the networking |
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| 17:05.33 | twobitwork | are the sparc CDs for sparc 32 or 64? |
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| 17:13.41 | Seldaek | hmm, why do I have symlinks that appear as "folder?" or "folder^M" ? |
| 17:14.07 | Seldaek | they are resolved if I do ls folder^M, but not ls folder, which is of course a problem:) |
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| 17:15.30 | [alx] | Hi all |
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| 17:15.53 | unop | Seldaek, is this for all symlinks or just a few? |
| 17:15.54 | halflife08 | Seldaek: does this happen when you do mkdir foobar ; ls foobar fails only ls foobar^M works ? |
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| 17:16.01 | brother-inferior | Alright, thats it! I've read step after step of the different ways to install the nvidia driver and I have figured it out! I am doing something incredibly wrong! *applause* |
| 17:16.08 | [alx] | Does anybody here use elinks ? |
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| 17:16.24 | halflife08 | Seldaek: or does it happen on links that were created earlier ? |
| 17:16.35 | dob1 | hi, i have some problem with squid, i use it as transparent proxy and i can't see some site, i get a blank page |
| 17:16.39 | themill | Seldaek: you have extra, "non-printing" characters in your filenames by the sounds of it. You can try renaming them. |
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| 17:16.42 | brother-inferior | I dont have the machine in front of me, but Im guessing its user error 50+ articles on how to do it 2 different ways, yep I screwed up somewhere |
| 17:16.47 | dob1 | if i disable the proxy all works |
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| 17:17.45 | Seldaek | themill, halflife08, unop, well I think I found out why, I ran a shell script that I wrote on windows and yeah, it must be the damn CR char that caused it :/ |
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| 17:18.04 | clem_ | I'm using dpkg-buildpackage to build a package. On a 64bit machine it builds an X86_64 DEB package, can I tell it to build for i386 as well? And how? |
| 17:18.37 | joeyjones | Seldaek: notepad++ can be setip to use unix break chars |
| 17:19.54 | Seldaek | joeyjones: aye no problem with eclipse either, I just forgot to set it up right, anyway it works now thanks:) |
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| 17:25.41 | dutchfish | clem_, A package may also provide both of the targets build-arch and build-indep. The build-arch target, if provided, should perform all the configuration and compilation required for producing all architecture-dependant binary packages |
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| 17:27.19 | ipfreely | Does anybody know if there is a memory limit for xen guests on etch ? |
| 17:27.26 | clem_ | dutchfish: thanks |
| 17:28.09 | dutchfish | ipfreely, not really unless 32 bit dom-0, you run into the ~3G limit |
| 17:29.41 | ipfreely | dutchfish: im using the pae xen kernel |
| 17:29.53 | ipfreely | so that shouldnt be an issue |
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| 17:30.28 | drcode | any one using mondo ? |
| 17:30.49 | dutchfish | ipfreely, even then, xen is only limited by the kernels memory adressing scheme, for pae 32 bit its 4G at the top of my head, but i am not sure |
| 17:31.11 | ipfreely | pae allows upto 64 i believe |
| 17:31.36 | ipfreely | non pae would be under 4 gig |
| 17:31.43 | drcode | I need help with mondo |
| 17:31.47 | drcode | mondorescue |
| 17:31.55 | JyZyXEL | how do you scroll screen |
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| 17:33.43 | simonrvn | ^a esc |
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| 17:35.03 | clem_ | dutchfish: with reprepro, to add to the repository, do you basically add the two different .changes files? |
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| 17:35.42 | dutchfish | clem_, http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html |
| 17:36.36 | clem_ | dutchfish: I mean, if I was to build the i386 and amd64 debs separately and ended with a changes file for each architecture. |
| 17:36.56 | clem_ | dutchfish: I suppose it's more of a reprepro question... |
| 17:37.38 | dutchfish | clem_, i am not a maintaner , you can ask in #debian-mentors |
| 17:37.56 | clem_ | dutchfish: ok. |
| 17:37.59 | clem_ | thanks. |
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| 17:40.53 | dutchfish | JyZyXEL, shift PgUp |
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| 17:41.35 | ipfreely | if apt-get updates a pkg and I want to downgrade to the previous pkg , how would i do that ? |
| 17:41.45 | JyZyXEL | haha wooot 0xdeadbeef |
| 17:41.48 | JyZyXEL | best hex ever |
| 17:42.44 | abrotman | seriouly? |
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| 17:43.32 | YodaYoda | ipfreely: Use /etc/apt/preferences http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
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| 17:44.43 | YodaYoda | btw, don't use the negative values as they cause it not to downgrade the package. |
| 17:45.30 | ipfreely | YodaYoda: thanks |
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| 17:45.51 | YodaYoda | np. |
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| 17:47.23 | dob1 | which program/utility can i use to backup my system/partition as image but that support incremental backup ? |
| 17:47.55 | dob1 | not tar |
| 17:48.21 | dutchfish | dob1, what do you mean by system/artition? |
| 17:48.34 | dutchfish | s/artition/partition |
| 17:48.46 | unop | dump |
| 17:49.10 | dob1 | images of the various partition, like the on that i have for / the one that i have for /home |
| 17:49.31 | dob1 | i can use dd, but doesn't support incremental backup |
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| 17:50.07 | dutchfish | dob1, you can't backup a mounted partition that way |
| 17:50.09 | unop | dob1, dump - http://packages.debian.org/etch/dump |
| 17:50.42 | abrotman | it won't be an "image" |
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| 17:51.46 | H2OyJaBoN | hi! |
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| 17:52.00 | dutchfish | dob1, if you need an incremental form of backup you could use one of rsync methods, there are scripts that do exactly that |
| 17:52.29 | H2OyJaBoN | has lenny(neinstall) kernel 2.6.23 or higher? |
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| 17:53.12 | dutchfish | dob1, rsnapshot to mention 1 |
| 17:53.57 | dob1 | ok i take a look at it, thanks |
| 17:54.10 | lassiethebrave |  H2OyJaBoN: Yes |
| 17:54.14 | dob1 | i will look at dump too |
| 17:54.17 | dutchfish | dob1, if you only need complete images of partitions i would suggest partimage (but for that your partition cant be mounted) |
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| 17:54.29 | H2OyJaBoN | lassiethebrave, so.how to boot it? |
| 17:54.38 | ipfreely | YodaYoda: that works find prior to me upgrading but what if i upgraded already , for example i upgrade to lighttpd 1.4.13-4etch8 but i want to go back to my previous version lighttpd 1.4.13-4etch6 |
| 17:54.42 | H2OyJaBoN | i've downloaded that and boot the kernel 2.6.22...... |
| 17:54.44 | ipfreely | s/find/fine/ |
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| 17:55.11 | dob1 | dutchfish, to be simple something that store the image of my system/partition and if i need i can restore the state of them as i stored |
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| 17:55.22 | abrotman | H2OyJaBoN: dowlnoaded which image exactly? |
| 17:55.31 | dutchfish | dob1, yes, for that partimage is nice |
| 17:55.44 | H2OyJaBoN | abrotman, the file is named..... "debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso" |
| 17:55.52 | abrotman | does it have a date? |
| 17:55.55 | abrotman | on the server i mean |
| 17:56.10 | dob1 | dutchfish, yes but if i have to unmount / i can't use it :) |
| 17:56.13 | abrotman | H2OyJaBoN: what do you want a newer kernel for? |
| 17:56.46 | unop | dob1, apparently gnu tar can do incremental backups with --incremental and --listed-incremental -- see http://kagesenshi-private.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/inigo/scripts/gnu-tar-incremental-backup.sh |
| 17:56.57 | dutchfish | dob1, of coarse, you boot from another medium, fire up partimage and make your backup, that way you are able to restore a full partition byte by byte |
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| 17:57.13 | Fabio_ | hi |
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| 17:57.33 | bluevapour | Hey guys, everynow and again i go AFK, when i get back i dont have an internet connection anymore |
| 17:57.34 | dutchfish | dob1, as a bonus partimage make backups over the lan and compress |
| 17:57.42 | bluevapour | also, i dont recieve any interrupts on eth0 |
| 17:57.42 | bluevapour | :s |
| 17:57.49 | Number9 | i have some really wierd problems with programs starting and DCOP -- i think its got to do with permissions and i was wondering if there was any program i could install or already would have to reset all permissions to their default values? |
| 17:57.50 | dob1 | dutchfish, i need a live cd |
| 17:58.00 | dutchfish | dob1, somethin glike that, yes |
| 17:58.08 | Fabio_ | how can i select new repository from a tool as during installation? |
| 17:58.20 | dutchfish | dob1, or make 1 yourself |
| 17:58.41 | dutchfish | dob1, http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:58.52 | dutchfish | dob1, its not that hard |
| 17:59.05 | dob1 | dutchfish, this is not a problem there are a lot of live distribution :) and i think is not need a mine too :) |
| 17:59.23 | H2OyJaBoN | abrotman, for my laptop's ethernet card |
| 17:59.23 | unop | dob1, and dump can do live backups of partitions - http://kagesenshi-private.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/inigo/scripts/inigo-disk-dumps.sh |
| 17:59.26 | dutchfish | dob1, that open source, you can choose :) |
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| 18:00.07 | dob1 | thanks for the help dutchfish and unop i will try |
| 18:00.18 | ipfreely | ok maybe somebody else canswer this, ii upgrade to lighttpd 1.4.13-4etch8 but i want to go back to my previous version lighttpd 1.4.13-4etch6 |
| 18:00.19 | dutchfish | dob1, yw |
| 18:00.19 | ipfreely | ? |
| 18:00.27 | abrotman | H2OyJaBoN: try a daily or /msg dpkg kmuto .. etch with newer kernels |
| 18:00.34 | Fabio_ | hei guys...during installation i have select repository from a tool...is possible to lunch this tool again? |
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| 18:00.55 | abrotman | no |
| 18:01.00 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 18:01.00 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 18:01.11 | abrotman | there is somethign called netselect-apt also i think |
| 18:01.14 | H2OyJaBoN | abrotman, i don't understand....... |
| 18:01.19 | H2OyJaBoN | =( |
| 18:01.21 | abrotman | !tell H2OyJaBoN about d-i |
| 18:01.23 | abrotman | !tell H2OyJaBoN about kmuto |
| 18:01.42 | abrotman | H2OyJaBoN: if you use the lenny installer .. there is a beta, and also a daily .. the daily should have been built last night .. |
| 18:02.06 | H2OyJaBoN | abrotman, ok... so i need download other version..? |
| 18:03.34 | abrotman | hi peter! |
| 18:03.34 | abrotman | someday .. i'll find out his real name is Booger or something :) |
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| 18:04.18 | Number9 | i have some really wierd problems with programs starting and DCOP -- i think its got to do with permissions and i was wondering if there was any program i could install or already would have to reset all permissions to their default values? |
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| 18:05.10 | ipfreely | anybody ? |
| 18:05.32 | H2OyJaBoN | abrotman, thanks! |
| 18:05.32 | abrotman | ipfreely: why would you want to go back? |
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| 18:05.40 | dutchfish | !tell ipfreely about downgrade |
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| 18:05.52 | ipfreely | abortman: i've been getting odd errors from php |
| 18:06.51 | ipfreely | thanks dutchfish, now is there a place where old packages are kept for downloading ? |
| 18:07.19 | dutchfish | ipfreely, on your computer, the cache dir were apt stores them |
| 18:07.51 | dutchfish | ipfreely, otherwise in the debian archives |
| 18:07.52 | ipfreely | dutchfish: thanks a bunch |
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| 18:09.02 | abrotman | ipfreely: yes, there was a bug filed |
| 18:09.06 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 18:09.06 | dpkg | it has been said that sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is largely lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 18:09.08 | dob1 | bye |
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| 18:12.16 | Number9 | no one knows of a way to automate restoring permissions to thier defaults? |
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| 18:13.21 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 18:13.27 | abrotman | why did you mess with permissions? |
| 18:13.32 | abrotman | and in which directory? |
| 18:13.41 | Number9 | i dont think it was necessarily me |
| 18:13.54 | abrotman | !blame Number9 |
| 18:13.54 | dpkg | blames jair and Number9 for the end of the world as we know it |
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| 18:14.09 | sigmonsays | How do I query package info on a package? |
| 18:14.11 | Number9 | i think maybe it happened due to me removing and re-installing kde |
| 18:14.14 | dutchfish | Number9, if you are the only root user on that system, you might get away by looking at the .history file, and manually reverting what you have done. |
| 18:14.59 | abrotman | sigmonsays: apt-cache show <pkg> or dpkg -I <pkg>(if it's local) |
| 18:15.15 | Number9 | well i dont know when exactly the problem started--might have been like 2 months ago or more |
| 18:16.12 | Number9 | what are the unlogged users--such as clamav called? |
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| 18:16.53 | dutchfish | Number9, and of coarse you have backups? otherwise ... make it so |
| 18:17.15 | abrotman | !tell sigmonsays about refcard |
| 18:17.46 | Number9 | actually i DO have backups--but it would be better to be able to repair it |
| 18:18.06 | abrotman | Number9: what is the problem you're actually trying to fix? |
| 18:19.03 | sigmonsays | ahh .. show |
| 18:19.08 | Number9 | several actually--for one--whenever i connect with my cellphone umts connection--the hostname is changed and some apps wont start |
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| 18:20.22 | Number9 | for another--i dont remember what exactly i ran the other day but i got an error msg saying something like "userid should be 1000 and it is 100" or something like that |
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| 18:20.58 | shingouz | Number9: for the first one, check /etc/ppp/options. i seem to remember there is a nice setting for the hostname change |
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| 18:21.21 | dutchfish | Number9, there is better 3G support in 2.6.25 (fixes a lot of umts related bugs) |
| 18:21.45 | unsolo__ | hmm heartbeat + mysql + ldirectord wasnt entirely straight forward.. |
| 18:22.31 | Number9 | why is it necessary to have "unlisted" users such as clamav for the clamav daemon? |
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| 18:24.20 | Number9 | this cell connection worked fine for like 1 1/2 yrs w/o the hostname ever getting changed--its only in the last month or so this problem has popped up |
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| 18:26.29 | YodaYoda | ipfreely: Read the bottom of the page, the bit in big bold text is what you want. To install the other package, you'll want to change the Pin line to Pin: version 1.4.13-4etch6 with a priority over 1000. |
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| 18:26.58 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:27.00 | ipfreely | YodaYoda: thanks, dutchfish cleared it up |
| 18:27.11 | DexterF | udev mandatory on etch with a 2.6.22 kernel? |
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| 18:27.21 | nascentmind | hi |
| 18:27.40 | nascentmind | i want to install jdk6 on etch but not able to find the package. how can i install it? |
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| 18:28.37 | dutchfish | !info sun-java6-jdk etch |
| 18:28.42 | abrotman | !tell nascentmind about bpo |
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| 18:29.45 | Number9 | is there a way to make every single package re-install itself? and will this fix the permissions problems maybe? |
| 18:29.54 | thrope | hello - what does ^Ign mean when you do apt-get update... I am maintaining an internatl repository and put a new package in it - but I can't get another machien to pick up the new version |
| 18:30.00 | abrotman | !tell Number9 about reinstall |
| 18:30.08 | abrotman | Number9: and it may or may not fix .. it depends on the files in question |
| 18:30.16 | dutchfish | nascentmind, 6-00-2~bpo.1 in bpo |
| 18:30.39 | thrope | it is in the Packages file correctly (the new version) but I think it is because the client is Ign ' ing the Packages and |
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| 18:31.16 | dutchfish | Number9, if others have used it, also check for rootkits |
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| 18:33.04 | Number9 | no one besides me has used the puter in question--and there is only root & my user |
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| 18:33.18 | dutchfish | Number9, ok, fair enough |
| 18:33.43 | Number9 | i ran ckrootkit about a month ago on it' |
| 18:34.16 | dutchfish | Number9, ok, forgive me but i am somtimes a bit paranoia about security |
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| 18:36.48 | Number9 | this is sidux i am talking about--based on debian sid--i have stopped going to thier irc chat because they simply arent very helpful--i suspect that the problems are related to broken packages in sid in early march |
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| 18:38.00 | noutzinho | anyone does know how to configure twinview ? |
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| 18:38.35 | Sherry345 | when i start my pc and load ubuntu it goes to busybox how to load ubuntu |
| 18:38.46 | genie | hi all, what is the latest release of debian? |
| 18:38.46 | dutchfish | !ubuntu |
| 18:38.46 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 18:39.19 | dutchfish | genie, you mean stable, its etch |
| 18:39.39 | genie | dutchfish, is it 4.0? |
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| 18:40.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:40.27 | dutchfish | genie, 4.0 |
| 18:40.39 | noutzinho | twinview for dualscreen ? |
| 18:40.44 | cahoot | http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
| 18:40.54 | genie | dutchfish, some body told me 5.0 is comming soon is this true?! |
| 18:41.10 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 18:41.10 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html |
| 18:41.31 | abrotman | !lenny pool |
| 18:41.31 | dpkg | somebody said lenny pool was Come and bet on when Lenny will be released. Ask me about "listkeys lenny pool" to find all of the bets, and "lenny bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 18:41.33 | abrotman | !lenny pool 1 |
| 18:41.33 | dpkg | it has been said that lenny pool 1 is ! avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, streuner=2009-06-15 |
| 18:41.58 | dutchfish | not that soon |
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| 18:44.13 | genie | dutchfish, how soon?! |
| 18:44.27 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 18:44.27 | dpkg | Lenny will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html |
| 18:44.30 | dutchfish | genie, no idee, but in my opinion not until 2009 |
| 18:44.47 | genie | dutchfish, thanks |
| 18:45.01 | dutchfish | genie, it all depends if 2.6.26 will make it into lenny |
| 18:45.04 | Bushmills | what real difference does it make whether lenny is testing or stable? |
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| 18:45.32 | Bushmills | apart from not having a decent network connection and having to rely on cds |
| 18:45.52 | abrotman | Bushmills: known set of issues |
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| 18:46.11 | abrotman | Bushmills: and hopefully far fewer RC bugs |
| 18:46.13 | jamon | http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 18:46.17 | Number9 | dutchfish: i also tried to tar up my install to an external drive--and noticed it was "wrapping around" to the contents of my external drive--thats never happened before |
| 18:46.27 | dutchfish | genie, more important is to get it out as stable as possible |
| 18:46.29 | Number9 | so it looks likke i have toi fix it or lose it |
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| 18:46.51 | Bushmills | but the bug count doesn't decrease by lenny becoming stable. lenny becomes stables because of acceptable bug count. |
| 18:46.52 | stew | abrotman: lenny has fewer rc bugs than etch :) |
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| 18:47.08 | abrotman | stew: then etch did? or etch does now? |
| 18:47.15 | genie | dutchfish, what is the different between Ubuntu and Debian? |
| 18:47.19 | abrotman | oh that's just wrong |
| 18:47.20 | stew | abrotman: does now, of course, etch had 0 at release time |
| 18:47.31 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 18:47.31 | dpkg | hmm... debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 18:47.32 | abrotman | slack testing! |
| 18:47.55 | jamon | stew, abrotman, only 1788 to go before lenny then :) |
| 18:47.55 | abrotman | stew: guess dunc-tank didn't work so well .. |
| 18:48.13 | stew | jamon: "Number concerning the current stable release: 688" |
| 18:48.25 | abrotman | they should just freeze lenny base now :) |
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| 18:48.42 | jamon | ah yes, that's a little better |
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| 18:48.59 | abrotman | jamon: that 1788 is the total number of RC bugs in the whole syste |
| 18:49.00 | abrotman | m |
| 18:49.09 | abrotman | i'd imagine some of those affect old releases |
| 18:49.16 | jamon | the graph is the interesting part to me |
| 18:49.31 | abrotman | stew: with the python and perl upgrades coming .. what could possibly go wrong! |
| 18:49.50 | stew | we're in the middle of gcc 4.3, just went through python 2.5 and are now starting perl 5.10, which should account for the recent spike |
| 18:49.54 | dutchfish | jamon, you know, we have small small lies, big lies and graphs ;) |
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| 18:50.12 | jamon | heh |
| 18:51.04 | abrotman | stew: i meant in lenny .. doesn't the python2.5 happen today for lenny? |
| 18:51.05 | stew | abrotman: python is done, and i think there are only a handful of not very widely installed packages that are broken as a result (as far as has been reported) |
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| 18:51.16 | abrotman | i know it already happened in unstable |
| 18:51.34 | dutchfish | stew, so freeze will come soon? |
| 18:51.43 | stew | dutchfish: freeze has already started |
| 18:51.54 | dutchfish | stew, oh pardon me, didnt know that |
| 18:52.00 | stew | abrotman: i thought it happened with the last britney, perhaps the next |
| 18:52.03 | abrotman | dutchfish: it started awhile ago |
| 18:52.11 | dutchfish | stew, i thought we where in soft-freeze |
| 18:52.33 | Number9 | i think that broken perl is why i am having these problems on the other puter |
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| 18:53.12 | abrotman | dutchfish: so that's the beginning |
| 18:53.18 | Bushmills | oh. that's the time when some people will start to complain about debian coming with outdated stuff only, even testing does :) |
| 18:53.27 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:53.45 | dutchfish | yep |
| 18:53.51 | abrotman | and when unstable also slows down |
| 18:54.14 | stew | dutchfish: build-essential is frozen now |
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| 18:54.23 | dutchfish | stew, ok |
| 18:54.27 | stew | as are udebs? |
| 18:54.36 | drraid | Is there an apt package for the 2nd level of man pages? |
| 18:54.42 | stew | dutchfish: http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/hints/freeze |
| 18:54.43 | abrotman | 2nd level? |
| 18:54.57 | drraid | I have the man page for socket, but not for connect for example, which is in /usr/share/man/man2/ typically |
| 18:55.03 | abrotman | stew: but gcc4.3 hasn't transitioned to lenny yet ? |
| 18:55.04 | drraid | where man 1 socket |
| 18:55.06 | drraid | or man 2 connect |
| 18:55.10 | drraid | does that make sense? |
| 18:55.12 | abrotman | drraid: manpages-dev |
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| 18:55.15 | drraid | AHH |
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| 18:55.16 | drraid | thanks |
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| 18:55.27 | dutchfish | stew, so 2.6.24 will be the lenny kernel? |
| 18:55.42 | abrotman | very likely |
| 18:55.45 | stew | dutchfish: no, defintately not, kernel team is saying that 2.6.26 is the most likely candidate |
| 18:55.46 | abrotman | last i read anyways |
| 18:55.51 | drraid | brb |
| 18:55.53 | abrotman | i read .24! |
| 18:55.55 | stew | abrotman: last i read was "definately not 2.6.24" |
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| 18:56.02 | dutchfish | stew, ok, even better, i like 2.6.25 already more |
| 18:56.05 | abrotman | damn kernel guys always trying to crap new shit in :) |
| 18:56.07 | abrotman | cram |
| 18:56.08 | Number9 | is there any manual way i can review/change my permissions that wont take 100 years? |
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| 18:56.28 | path_ | hi guys nice to read you :D |
| 18:56.36 | dutchfish | abrotman, its like a cow with convulsions every 6 months, dont blame me :) |
| 18:56.39 | stew | abrotman: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2008/03/msg00531.html |
| 18:56.41 | Bushmills | Number9: chmod -R .. |
| 18:56.44 | Bushmills | takes only seconds |
| 18:56.55 | stew | dutchfish: abrotman: "we have not settled for the lenny version it is certainly > 2.6.24." |
| 18:56.58 | Number9 | well i meant and get my system back running |
| 18:56.59 | abrotman | yeah .. i see |
| 18:57.02 | path_ | Im looking forward to seeing information about abandon packages anybody knows where I can read them ? |
| 18:57.04 | abrotman | though i think .24 works perfectly fine |
| 18:57.05 | dutchfish | stew, k |
| 18:57.11 | abrotman | other than that wacky ACPI thing |
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| 18:57.25 | abrotman | path_: orphaned packages? |
| 18:57.35 | path_ | that abrotman ! |
| 18:57.37 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 18:57.37 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp. Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 18:57.46 | path_ | thanks :D |
| 18:57.52 | AwesomeGuy | sometimes when debian is booting, it will freeze on 'prism2-hw-init: initialized in 0ms' how do I fix that |
| 18:57.55 | abrotman | there's a list of orphaned and RFH packages |
| 18:57.58 | stew | lenny will likely not have kernel-package bts |
| 18:58.00 | stew | btw |
| 18:58.06 | path_ | !rph |
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| 18:58.09 | stew | which will be fun |
| 18:58.10 | abrotman | !rfh |
| 18:58.14 | abrotman | Request For Help |
| 18:58.19 | Bushmills | Number9: one manual chmod doesn't take 4 hours (with estimated 100,000 files) |
| 18:58.20 | abrotman | stew: that seems .. bad |
| 18:58.24 | mabes | is it possible to have bash completion expand your aliases? |
| 18:58.26 | path_ | thanks again abrotman :) |
| 18:58.29 | dutchfish | abrotman, 2.6.24 i snice, but 2.6.25 has RT in it, and its faster |
| 18:58.40 | abrotman | mabes: which version of debian ? |
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| 18:59.16 | Number9 | well i meant and get my system back running |
| 18:59.41 | mabes | abrotman: etch.. but I was hoping that there is a general bash solution |
| 18:59.44 | stew | !dbugs 475036 |
| 18:59.45 | Number9 | and also--i dont know what to chmod them to |
| 18:59.47 | dpkg | #475036:S[kernel-package] kernel-package: kernel-package is suffering from bit rot, and is severly broken; Tue, 8 Apr 2008 16:33:02 UTC |
| 18:59.52 | abrotman | mabes: you have to enable bash completion |
| 18:59.59 | abrotman | stew: nice and vague |
| 19:01.03 | genie | hi all when lenny will be release?! any body know? |
| 19:01.05 | dutchfish | http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kernel-package/news/20080130T233908Z.html |
| 19:01.10 | abrotman | genie: we already told you |
| 19:01.29 | stew | genie: when the count of release critical bugs is zero |
| 19:01.31 | genie | abrotman, when? |
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| 19:01.33 | abrotman | stew: make-kpkg is a nice and debian-ish way to make newer kernels |
| 19:01.38 | abrotman | !tell genie about wwlr |
| 19:01.43 | gregorovius | when I try to execute a program that isn't installed, how do I make bash tell me which package would provide it? |
| 19:01.59 | stew | abrotman: i agree. he's claiming it doesn't work with newer kernels? i dunno, i haven't built a kernel in a long time |
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| 19:02.08 | Bushmills | Number9: have access to a working installation? some diff/apply script written around stat * -c"%a %n" per directory could help |
| 19:02.11 | dutchfish | equiv |
| 19:02.16 | abrotman | dutchfish: do you use make-kpkg on your newer kernels? |
| 19:02.20 | mabes | abrotman: and it will expand the aliases automatically? I am sourcing a bash completion file and it it working for regular commands.. I assumed that is all I had to do to 'enable' bash completion.. am I wrong? |
| 19:02.41 | abrotman | stew: first apt-setup, then kernel-package, what's next .. the pillars are crumbling! |
| 19:03.05 | dutchfish | abrotman, make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image |
| 19:03.06 | abrotman | mabes: i'm sorry .. i misread .. |
| 19:03.13 | abrotman | stew: it apparently works for dutchfish .. |
| 19:03.29 | stew | abrotman: you should dist-upgrade to ubuntu hungry hippo before it is too late |
| 19:03.41 | xingu | bounces arouns happily |
| 19:03.47 | Arie001 | hi |
| 19:03.50 | xingu | s/arouns/around/ |
| 19:03.50 | abrotman | stew: i'm holding out for itchy iguana |
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| 19:04.11 | dutchfish | ii linux-image-2.6.25-lldesktop-i386 20080420 Linux kernel binary image for version 2.6.25 |
| 19:04.11 | stew | what you do with your itchy iguana is nobody else's concern |
| 19:04.19 | abrotman | ewww |
| 19:04.21 | Number9 | well thanks for the help--but i think i may just clone this working install over--seems like tons less work--as well as a much higher probabilty of sucess |
| 19:04.22 | mabes | abrotman: my exact problem is this.. I have tab completion working on git, but I would like the completion to work on my aliases like alias gco='git checkout' |
| 19:04.29 | Arie001 | i have a problem i just installed debian ... but i can;t install stuff.. because ./configure does't work -.-' |
| 19:04.43 | abrotman | mabes: i have no idea if that works .. i've never tried |
| 19:04.45 | Arie001 | and make and make install also not-.-' |
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| 19:04.55 | mabes | abrotman: thanks anyways |
| 19:05.02 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 19:05.03 | abrotman | mabes: maybe inquire in #bash |
| 19:05.06 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible for the default user to mount harddisk drives if I got multiple of them? |
| 19:05.19 | Bushmills | Jemt: yes |
| 19:05.26 | mabes | abrotman: ahh... good suggestion, thanks |
| 19:05.30 | genie | abrotman, can I download lenny? |
| 19:05.33 | abrotman | genie: sure ... |
| 19:05.40 | halflife08 | Arie001: what package are you trying to install , why don;t you use aptitude/apt to install packages from debian repositories ? what software is this |
| 19:05.47 | abrotman | !tell genie about d-i |
| 19:05.56 | Bushmills | Jemt: even though i have no idea who the default user is. but he can surely mount disk partitions too |
| 19:06.15 | HSorgYves | i have a (hardware) raid question: with 4 disks, would you create a raid 5 with 3 disks and a hot spare or would you create a raid 1+0? the remaining capacity would be the same... |
| 19:06.41 | abrotman | HSorgYves: or you could go raid5 with all four drives |
| 19:06.52 | Bushmills | HSorgYves: raid5, probably |
| 19:06.52 | the-dude_ | raid5 |
| 19:07.12 | HSorgYves | ok, thx |
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| 19:07.15 | unop | HSorgYves, raid5 - if you are willing to spare a third of the space |
| 19:07.25 | loufoque | what's the command to download all packages necessary to compile a given package? |
| 19:07.36 | abrotman | HSorgYves: technically .. with the 1+0 and two drives dead, you could lose all your data, with the RAID5+hotspare, it'd still be running |
| 19:07.37 | unop | apt-get build-dep ... |
| 19:08.01 | abrotman | unop: his available storage is the same in either scenario |
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| 19:08.07 | abrotman | he lives! |
| 19:08.57 | HSorgYves | abrotman: depending on the failure drives yes, with raid 5 it is not depending on the failure drive... i wanted to go with raid 5 but i was not sure |
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| 19:09.13 | HSorgYves | tyvm abrotman , Bushmills , unop and the-dude_ |
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| 19:09.21 | Bushmills | yw |
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| 19:09.26 | abrotman | HSorgYves: speed might be faster on 1+0 .. not sure if that's a consideration |
| 19:09.35 | loufoque | thanks unop |
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| 19:09.56 | minerale | Debian can't play DRM music correct? I'm trying to convinvce a friend not to buy drm'ed music, Is there a list of all the DRM providers going down (like MSN) ? |
| 19:10.02 | HSorgYves | abrotman: probably is faster on 1+0, but security is more important |
| 19:10.17 | abrotman | data integrity ? |
| 19:10.17 | Bagualas | how may I create a bootable iso from my server? |
| 19:10.28 | abrotman | !info bootdisk etch |
| 19:10.44 | abrotman | hrm ... |
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| 19:11.01 | abrotman | !info bootcd etch |
| 19:11.03 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 3.00 (etch), Packaged size: 55 kB, Installed size: 228 kB |
| 19:11.34 | xingu | HSorgYves: I'd go for stripe of mirror |
| 19:11.49 | abrotman | freak! |
| 19:12.06 | dutchfish | ducks in a fast spin |
| 19:12.09 | abrotman | xingu: even for data safety ? |
| 19:12.30 | xingu | HSorgYves: raid5 costs on the way in, costs on the way out, and sucks balls during restripe or impaired operation |
| 19:12.37 | Saar | how can i find out if http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=445749#5 has been fixed or is worked upon? |
| 19:12.44 | Saar | or how to fix it myself |
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| 19:13.00 | Jemt | Bushmills: Okay, thanks |
| 19:13.00 | xingu | abrotman: one class of dual disk failure is accommodated with stripe of mirror; always design for the _first_ failure, not compound. |
| 19:13.19 | dutchfish | xingu, and you forgot 1, you boss doesnt like raid5 either |
| 19:13.20 | Saar | since we have many servers using 4 ethernets bonded in bond0 and bond1 we see this issue come up all the time |
| 19:13.25 | abrotman | Saar: you could email the debian-kernel mailing list |
| 19:13.25 | xingu | abrotman: a failure is an accident, a secondary failure is just being careless |
| 19:13.32 | Saar | Kernel assertion failure when using bonding |
| 19:13.36 | xingu | dutchfish: my boss knows enough to know when to shut up |
| 19:13.37 | abrotman | xingu: huh ? that doesn't make sense |
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| 19:13.40 | xingu | dutchfish: :) |
| 19:13.45 | dutchfish | xingu, :) |
| 19:13.55 | Nyle | amphi pin |
| 19:14.02 | abrotman | xingu: that's why i said raid5 with the hotspare |
| 19:14.05 | Jemt | Bushmills: Hm, it dosn't seem to be the case. I can't mount the drives |
| 19:14.34 | xingu | abrotman: sure; but it's _unusably slow_ during restripe which kinda negates the "hey my data's intact and I don't need to restore it" wheeze |
| 19:14.46 | Jemt | Bushmills: Which is actually fine.. I don't want the default user (created during install) to have access to harddisk drives |
| 19:14.49 | xingu | abrotman: in fact depending on design it can actually be _faster_ to net-restore the data than wait for restripe |
| 19:14.57 | abrotman | xingu: better than "DOH, both of the raid1 halves of my raid0 are dead .. all data gone" |
| 19:15.10 | xingu | abrotman: hence, stripe of mirror |
| 19:15.22 | jamon | raid != good backup policy |
| 19:15.43 | abrotman | xingu: uhm how does that make sense |
| 19:16.08 | dutchfish | xingu, do you know by change how JBOD works? |
| 19:16.42 | HSorgYves | xingu: what if 2 disks fail? everything might be lost then |
| 19:16.44 | abrotman | xingu: he has four disks in a raid1+0 .. if two drives die, and they're both the same half of the RAID1 .. he loses it all |
| 19:16.47 | unsolo__ | just a bunch of disks |
| 19:16.53 | unsolo__ | works as just a bunch of disks |
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| 19:17.05 | xingu | abrotman: right; but designing for a _dual_ failure is just dumb. |
| 19:17.16 | abrotman | xingu: he had the same storage size either way |
| 19:17.18 | xingu | abrotman: it's more likely the _whole pack_ will catch alight and fall off |
| 19:17.20 | dutchfish | unsolo__, yes, and how doe sit work? |
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| 19:17.37 | Bushmills | Jemt: read man page of mount, search for "user" |
| 19:17.38 | unsolo__ | you get a bunch of disks as normal disks |
| 19:17.46 | unsolo__ | xingu: so raid6 is stupid ? |
| 19:17.49 | xingu | abrotman: and that balanced against the idea that the raid5 design is hideously slow for normal io and even worse during restripe - it's a no-brainer. |
| 19:18.02 | dutchfish | unsolo__, so, no partition claims? |
| 19:18.14 | xingu | unsolo__: raid6 is about the first good idea we've seen yet, but it still doesn't address the hideously slow for normal io bit. |
| 19:18.18 | abrotman | xingu: but having two backup drives is certainly better for data safety than raid1+0 .. i'm not arguing the speed part at all |
| 19:18.21 | Bushmills | Jemt: drop the notion of "default user" |
| 19:18.35 | unsolo__ | xingu: emm |
| 19:18.47 | Jemt | Bushmills: Okay, thanks :) |
| 19:18.49 | unsolo__ | hdparm says i have insane speed on my hardware raid6 |
| 19:18.51 | xingu | abrotman: sorry, it's just a waste of time; designing for dual drive failure is just a waste of resource, and it's costing you speed in the normal case. |
| 19:19.02 | Bushmills | jemt, what you call "default user" is "a" user, like any other user, except privileged users, like root |
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| 19:19.19 | xingu | abrotman: if you wanted to design for dual drive failure you'd need multipath io, and a pair of storage units to talk sensibly |
| 19:19.34 | Bushmills | Jemt: that it was offered to create it during installation is so you don't use root account for everything |
| 19:19.35 | abrotman | xingu: he didn't say if speed was a factor, if it's not, if data safety is way more important, you'd choose raid5 |
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| 19:19.44 | xingu | abrotman: if two drives shit themselves it's most likely that the whole pack is going offline as well |
| 19:19.45 | abrotman | xingu: now you're just being silly :) |
| 19:19.47 | xingu | whatever |
| 19:19.47 | unsolo__ | xingu: Timing buffered disk reads: 748 MB in 3.00 seconds = 249.33 MB/sec is that slow ? |
| 19:19.47 | peleg | I am coming back with an on-going issue; I am looking for a FTP expert. There is one FTP server that I use (on a shared host) that work perfectly if I use ftp (from command line) or filezilla, but is not working if I use lftp or wput, almost at all (= usually is not working, rarely it works, but extremely slow). I need to use lftp or wput in order to program a mirroring script. someone offered rsync, but rsync is not working wi |
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| 19:20.07 | abrotman | xingu: so you've never seen two drives go bad at the same time and the rest stay online ? |
| 19:20.27 | Jemt | Bushmills: The fstab is never subject to automatic changes, right? |
| 19:20.32 | dutchfish | abrotman, had that already twice! |
| 19:20.37 | abrotman | see! |
| 19:20.43 | xingu | whatever |
| 19:20.48 | xingu | hey just build a 4 disk mirror |
| 19:20.51 | jamon | was it drives, io controller or both? |
| 19:20.52 | xingu | that way 3 can fail! |
| 19:21.00 | abrotman | xingu: that's another option |
| 19:21.02 | xingu | anyway, fill your boots, have fun with your nice slow array. |
| 19:21.02 | peleg | Addition: lftp is not working with that ftp server even from other computers, not only from my local machine (we've checked) |
| 19:21.03 | unsolo__ | take raid to a new level network raid1 http://wiki.debian.org/kristian_jerpetjoen?action=show |
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| 19:21.09 | aboyz | Anyone know of a betterway in doing this, I know there are software or script out there that does this but I don't know which one is good for this purpose. Say I got 10 servers, and I want to update /etc/hosts . Is there a way to add all the servers to something then excute what a command and it'll udpate /etc/hosts on all the servers? I know i can do it with ssh + privatekey with a bash script. but anything that does this more efficient and powerful? |
| 19:21.13 | abrotman | xingu: he NEVER said speed was a consideration |
| 19:21.23 | Bushmills | Jemt: well .. depends on what you call "automatic". if you restore from a backup, and fstab is restored too, is that "automatic" or not? |
| 19:21.33 | dutchfish | most of the time, the disks in a large raid (many disks) will die almost exactly the same time |
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| 19:21.41 | xingu | abrotman: he never said that he was concerned about meteor impacts either, should we include that in the scope? |
| 19:21.47 | catsup | aboyz: 'rdist' does that... |
| 19:21.55 | unsolo__ | that hdparm was from my 6 drive raid 6 array consiting of 6 500GB cheap drives.. |
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| 19:22.01 | abrotman | xingu: so you'run all your super secret important data on reiser on raid0 right ? |
| 19:22.02 | Jemt | Bushmills: No, I'm thinking of auto adjustments during ie boot where Debian/Linux detects hard disk drives |
| 19:22.05 | abrotman | no backups of course |
| 19:22.10 | catsup | aboyz: there are other alternatives, there are many ways to sync files between machines |
| 19:22.12 | Bushmills | Jemt: there are no unexpected changed or modifications behind your back, if you mean that |
| 19:22.17 | dutchfish | but i agree, i would love to see a better way then that slooooow raid 5 |
| 19:22.18 | abrotman | xingu: cause you know .. faster is always better |
| 19:22.23 | Bushmills | changes |
| 19:22.25 | xingu | anyway, I've said my piece, using raid5 as a solution to multiple failures is a waste of space. |
| 19:22.29 | Jemt | Bushmills: Okay, good. Thanks :) |
| 19:22.36 | unsolo__ | raid6 is said to be faster than raid5 i think.. |
| 19:22.46 | abrotman | and raid1+0 isn't any solution at all |
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| 19:22.55 | xingu | unsolo__: _purely_ because of what happens during the recovery phase |
| 19:22.55 | abrotman | let's ask Tramp! |
| 19:23.04 | HSorgYves | xingu: well the space remaining is the same in both settings |
| 19:23.11 | Tramp | abrotman: no idea 8) |
| 19:23.16 | dutchfish | xingu, so you prefer raid 10 (on good hardware)? |
| 19:23.21 | unsolo__ | xingu: well in my opinion my drive speed on my raid array is > than the speed of jbod |
| 19:23.31 | unsolo__ | but thats hw raid6 |
| 19:23.35 | abrotman | jesus that took forever to restart |
| 19:24.12 | unsolo__ | abrotman: my cluster thing has raid1 with spare on both nodes + raid1 over network.. |
| 19:24.26 | catsup | raid5 gives you more storage and less performance, raid1+0 gives you less storage and more performance, it's merely a question of which you require... |
| 19:24.29 | abrotman | unsolo__: too much redundancy! .. live in fear! |
| 19:24.34 | Bushmills | does drive speed on raid really matter when your file system does aggressive memory caching? |
| 19:24.37 | unsolo__ | hehe |
| 19:24.41 | xingu | dutchfish: yes. |
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| 19:24.58 | unsolo__ | a server is only truly redundant when another server can take over its job |
| 19:25.02 | Bushmills | that would at least maintain a high peak performance. |
| 19:25.12 | dutchfish | xingu, and by raid 10 you mean 2 scsii cards i suppose |
| 19:25.22 | xingu | dutchfish: preferably |
| 19:25.28 | unsolo__ | some controllers support raid10 i think. |
| 19:25.29 | dutchfish | xingu, ok, fair enough |
| 19:25.31 | catsup | Bushmills: if your file system's caching is really that great, you can dispense with the disks altogether ;) |
| 19:25.40 | abrotman | unsolo__: he means for the redundancy of a failed controller |
| 19:25.41 | Jemt | BRB |
| 19:25.47 | unsolo__ | ahh |
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| 19:26.09 | xingu | dutchfish: one stripe per pack I've found gives the best survival rates out in the real world |
| 19:26.12 | Bushmills | catsup: no .. you can put multi-terabyte disk arrays into about every machine, but not multi-terabyte RAM |
| 19:26.15 | unsolo__ | well what about redundancy for a failed mobo or a failed powersupply |
| 19:26.19 | dutchfish | xingu, yep |
| 19:26.31 | abrotman | unsolo__: hence xingu saying about a redundant machine |
| 19:26.41 | xingu | dutchfish: _purely_ because a backplane fart is way more likely than a dual spindle failure |
| 19:26.41 | catsup | Bushmills: you are missing the point, and the joke... |
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| 19:26.59 | abrotman | hrm .. this isn't good |
| 19:27.01 | HSorgYves | xingu/abrotman: back to the speed question - what is the difference using 1 hardware controller? |
| 19:27.04 | unsolo__ | xingu: have you used drbd + gfs2 ? |
| 19:27.16 | Bushmills | catsup: a joke is not a good one if it works only with unrealistic assupmtions |
| 19:27.25 | dutchfish | xingu, thats might be through, but is always getting a second disk failure in 1 - 2 days after the first disk dies, too odd ..... |
| 19:27.34 | catsup | Bushmills: you wouldn't know whether it was a good joke, because you missed it |
| 19:27.39 | abrotman | HSorgYves: it's not about the speed at that point .. it's about having a raid0+1 .. and having one half of the raid1 on each controller .. thus if one controller goes, you still ahve a complete set of data |
| 19:28.10 | unsolo__ | why do you need the speed from raid0 ? |
| 19:28.19 | unsolo__ | get faster drives instead.. |
| 19:28.21 | xingu | unsolo__: nope; localised san, emc's stack for block replication; nfs4 with all its hairy warts for nfs, on top of zfs/vxfs/ext2fs/xfs, take your pick. |
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| 19:28.26 | HSorgYves | abrotman: yes i got that, but there is only 1 controller, so that consideration is not an option at the moment |
| 19:28.43 | keith4 | if I have two disks, where (size of b) > (size of a), can I 'cat /dev/hda > /dev/hdb' and expect it to be a usable backup? |
| 19:28.47 | unsolo__ | xingu: ok.. i just did a drbd + gfs2 install worked great.. |
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| 19:28.55 | abrotman | HSorgYves: uhm so the question is? |
| 19:28.59 | unsolo__ | a lot cheaper as well. |
| 19:29.04 | catsup | keith4: yes, although traditionally one uses dd |
| 19:29.04 | jamon | keith4: use dd |
| 19:29.17 | keith4 | hmmm. why? |
| 19:29.25 | catsup | keith4: you are not to ask such questions |
| 19:29.30 | keith4 | if I don't care how long it takes, does it matter? |
| 19:29.48 | HSorgYves | abrotman: what is the speed difference between raid 1+0 and raid 5 with hotspare, is it so enormous to be considered (using a hardware controller)? |
| 19:29.49 | catsup | keith4: the unix gods will be offended |
| 19:29.56 | keith4 | i can live with that |
| 19:29.59 | amphi | keith4: there's no reason to use dd over cp in such a case, AFAIK |
| 19:30.02 | catsup | keith4: a curse on all your hardware! |
| 19:30.06 | dutchfish | HSorgYves, tremendous |
| 19:30.11 | stew | keith4: it doesn't matter. 'cp /dev/hda /dev/hdb' would work as well |
| 19:30.17 | unsolo__ | keith4: copy it with the right paramaters also works |
| 19:30.23 | catsup | blaspheme!! |
| 19:30.32 | abrotman | HSorgYves: oh, a raid0 is faster than raid5 because of the checksumming, now if a drive in the raid5 dies.. RAID5 is *slow* while it rebuilds .. |
| 19:30.34 | unsolo__ | or tar pipe untar |
| 19:30.44 | amphi | hurls anathemas at catsup |
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| 19:30.53 | keith4 | is this equivalent to making an identical partition table, and then 'cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1', if there is only 1 partition on the disk to begin with? |
| 19:31.04 | abrotman | HSorgYves: and then .. if another drive dies, the whole thing runs in degraded mode (also whilst rebuilding) .. which is also *slow* |
| 19:31.16 | keith4 | raid5 gives you more usable disk space, though |
| 19:31.18 | catsup | keith4: yes |
| 19:31.18 | xingu | HSorgYves: it's slow because parity calc is needed on all write iops and parity calc + compare is necessary on all read iops |
| 19:31.38 | stew | keith4: yes, but just copying /dev/hda1 /dev/hdb1 would skip the mbr |
| 19:31.39 | catsup | keith4: assuming you mean that the kernel has re-read the partition tables since you created them! |
| 19:31.40 | xingu | HSorgYves: if you're degraded, into the bargain you get to do missing stripe reconstruction |
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| 19:31.53 | keith4 | okay, thanks (catsup stew unsolo__ jamon amphi) |
| 19:31.56 | xingu | HSorgYves: if you're degraded and restriping, you get to handle a seek storm while you're at it |
| 19:31.57 | abrotman | HSorgYves: i was arguing that while raid0+1 is going to be faster, for safety's sake, you'd use raid5 .. but xingu says that planning for two failures is not a great idea because likely if 2/4 fail, the other 2/4 are likely going to blow soon also |
| 19:31.58 | pinto3 | how do you get the mkfs.vfat program installed? |
| 19:32.00 | HSorgYves | xingu / abrotman : how much slower? 10%, 50%? |
| 19:32.13 | xingu | HSorgYves: there's only one answer to that - benchmark. |
| 19:32.15 | pinto3 | it's telling me no such file and trying with mkfs -t vfat links to mkfs.vfat |
| 19:32.17 | abrotman | HSorgYves: depends on many factors like controller/diskspeed/systemload etc |
| 19:32.20 | unsolo__ | keith4: copy part table using |
| 19:32.25 | unsolo__ | sfdisk -d /dev/sda | sfdisk /dev/sdb |
| 19:32.41 | keith4 | beauty |
| 19:32.51 | abrotman | HSorgYves: are you on overload yet? :) |
| 19:33.19 | HSorgYves | xingu: ok, is there a way to benchmark it without installing debian? |
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| 19:33.28 | xingu | HSorgYves: if your application is going to shit bricks with <30% rated write latency, <40% rated read latency, or <50% rated bandwidth - you gotta build and test. |
| 19:33.34 | xingu | HSorgYves: there's really no substitute. |
| 19:33.34 | HSorgYves | abrotman: systemload? |
| 19:33.40 | unsolo__ | keith4: its part of a very special raid guide i fell in love with |
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| 19:33.45 | Nyle | The matter with you, what is, hmm? |
| 19:33.47 | xingu | HSorgYves: dbench is still a goodie. |
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| 19:33.56 | unsolo__ | since it replicates all the drives like that. |
| 19:33.57 | Nyle | unsolo__, wherE? |
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| 19:34.11 | unsolo__ | its the gentoo guide.. |
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| 19:34.13 | abrotman | HSorgYves: what the system is actually doing .. if it's not doing much while rebuilding .. the controller won't be running all over trying to fetch data while rebuilding .. so it won't really matter .. but if it's a disk IO intensive system, it'll run slow |
| 19:34.14 | Nyle | unsolo__, where is this guide you speak of with such adoration |
| 19:34.21 | Nyle | unsolo__, gentoo documentation is fantastic |
| 19:34.25 | xand | o |
| 19:34.34 | abrotman | hey xand |
| 19:34.37 | xand | hi |
| 19:34.44 | unsolo__ | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Gentoo_Install_on_Software_RAID |
| 19:34.49 | unsolo__ | you can use most of it for debian |
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| 19:35.07 | unsolo__ | unlike the debian installer it also consideres that you also want grub on the rest of your partitions |
| 19:35.10 | HSorgYves | abrotman: it's not disk intensive, that's why i didn't consider speed so much |
| 19:35.10 | unsolo__ | err drives.. |
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| 19:35.34 | xingu | what I've universally found in the real world is that (storage) systems start off basically unbooked and gradually approach isochronous behaviour where _every_ time slot is filled with iops and where _any_ degradation will cause you to backlog to the moon until something downstream fails and the load wears off |
| 19:35.35 | JDigital | I am running an apache server. How do I make multiple apache servers load at start up? |
| 19:35.55 | abrotman | HSorgYves: you can get two drives of failure, or better speed when a single drive fails |
| 19:36.02 | Nyle | JDigital, multiple? |
| 19:36.13 | unsolo__ | oO |
| 19:36.19 | JDigital | Yes. More than one |
| 19:36.27 | HSorgYves | abrotman: ok, thx, will consider both options |
| 19:36.29 | abrotman | HSorgYves: i should note for you that while i'm saying the raid5 will withstand a double drive failure .. it's possible the raid0+1 will also if the two deads are on the different sides of the raid0 |
| 19:36.30 | unsolo__ | JDigital: apache2 uses virtual last time i checked |
| 19:36.39 | unsolo__ | so you start one for all |
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| 19:36.50 | HSorgYves | xingu: thx for you input on this |
| 19:36.57 | xingu | the idea that you can overbook your storage path is predicated on the idea that some iops will either not happen in a regularly scheduled fashion or are discardable; and both are a busted flush as a function of concurrency - which will inevitably build until the whole path hits some unnaceptable end to end latency in the as-usual nondegraded case |
| 19:36.58 | JDigital | Even if I want to start two apaches as different users? |
| 19:37.01 | HSorgYves | abrotman: i know, but if not it's gone |
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| 19:37.05 | Nyle | JDigital, why? |
| 19:37.10 | JDigital | Security |
| 19:37.25 | xingu | at which point management will kick your arse then you'll kick theirs asking for more and faster spindles |
| 19:37.28 | JDigital | if user joe's website is compromised it can only do as much damage as joe has permissions |
| 19:37.31 | xingu | and the whole sorry shower starts over again |
| 19:37.31 | dutchfish | xingu, so your stating fast hardware failures on disk systems spare you for heavy load? |
| 19:37.33 | abrotman | HSorgYves: yes, so you also need to think about how valuable the data is. If it's just a scratch system, it may not matter to you at all |
| 19:37.58 | Nyle | JDigital, The matter with you, what is, hmm? Trying to start two instances of apache web server, why are you, hmm? Yes, hmmm. |
| 19:38.13 | action09 | oy |
| 19:38.17 | unsolo__ | JDigital: you mean if apache is compromised ? |
| 19:38.19 | Nyle | security, say you |
| 19:38.48 | xingu | dutchfish: designing for a boolean (as-usual capacity, or wholesale failure) prevents the kinds of spiralling doom patterns that happen in the less happy grey area of "holy shit, hit real bad cap'n, but we survived, just" |
| 19:38.59 | gregorovius | is mencoder packaged in debian? |
| 19:39.02 | unsolo__ | JDigital: you can have different configurations and perhaps also various virtual users in addition to www i belive.. |
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| 19:39.06 | dutchfish | xingu, ok |
| 19:39.06 | gregorovius | or kept outside for some reason? |
| 19:39.07 | abrotman | gregorovius: i don't think so |
| 19:39.10 | HSorgYves | abrotman: well i can always have backups... ;-) and a failing disk should be replaced in both scenarios |
| 19:39.13 | abrotman | !tell gregorovius about dmm |
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| 19:39.31 | Sake | does ext3 have a filesize limitation? Should I make my vmware virtual disks split into 2 gb files or can the filesystem handle a 30Gb file? |
| 19:39.32 | HSorgYves | abrotman: let me create a test install, bbl |
| 19:39.33 | gregorovius | yes, I already added it, but thanks |
| 19:39.44 | Nyle | !ext3 |
| 19:39.44 | dpkg | hmm... ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs>, <ricerfs> and <filesystems>. |
| 19:39.45 | abrotman | HSorgYves: yay benchmarks! |
| 19:39.51 | Nyle | argh |
| 19:40.11 | xingu | abrotman: and no, I don't do reiser. :) |
| 19:40.23 | abrotman | xingu: but it's faster! :) |
| 19:40.27 | xingu | snickers |
| 19:40.34 | xingu | abrotman: only because it's probably discarding vfs-ops :) |
| 19:40.42 | puff | I seem to have a problem where some of the files installed by apt are missing. Is there an easy way to have apt or dpkg tell me which files are missing? |
| 19:40.46 | abrotman | you say that like it's bad! |
| 19:40.52 | unsolo__ | JDigital: if you want it really safe run several virtual linux enviroments in vmware or equal's |
| 19:40.55 | xingu | it's an optimisation of sorts I guess |
| 19:40.57 | keith4 | so, I don't want to start an argument again... but I want to be very clear on this... I can "backup" a 60G disk to an 80G one via "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb" ? |
| 19:40.59 | JDigital | That's overkill |
| 19:41.09 | abrotman | keith4: YES WE TOLD YOU THAT! |
| 19:41.10 | abrotman | hides |
| 19:41.12 | unsolo__ | so is not trusting apache to be safe.. |
| 19:41.25 | Nyle | dpkg ext3 is also FAQ - http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 19:41.26 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 19:41.41 | keith4 | abrotman: OK THANKS, CAPSLOCK MAKES IT CLEARER |
| 19:41.48 | JDigital | Put it this way, if I host Ben's website and Joe's website, apache must have access to both Ben and Joe's homedirs |
| 19:41.54 | dutchfish | abrotman, xingu are we fighting here over the issue of wich raid system to use, or pre-failure detection methods have failed, captain? |
| 19:41.57 | keith4 | besides, if it's good enough for abrotman, it's good enough for me |
| 19:41.58 | Nyle | Ext3 can support files up to 1TB. With a 2.4 kernel the filesystem size is limited by the maximal block device size, which is 2TB. In 2.6 the maximum (32-bit CPU) limit is of block devices is 16TB, but ext3 supports only up to 4TB. |
| 19:42.06 | jamon | JDigital: not at all |
| 19:42.11 | JDigital | The way around this is to have separate apaches for each |
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| 19:42.17 | abrotman | dutchfish: which argument .. apparently i missed a whole argument :) |
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| 19:42.23 | JDigital | or else one of those peruser MPMs that isn't tsted |
| 19:42.51 | Nyle | xingu, snickers... I'm hungry! |
| 19:42.56 | abrotman | dutchfish: the argument was really over preference and perceived risk i suppose |
| 19:43.05 | unsolo__ | JDigital: both ben and joe has different virtual hosts |
| 19:43.11 | unsolo__ | with virtual configurations |
| 19:43.27 | xingu | dutchfish: what's useful to wrap your head around is that your system background load _builds_; typically, each process that _can_ be serviced by the storage path will add its load of io's/s and this figure won't _typically_ vary much outside some normal curve (per term; it will wander, but we're specifically talking background IO, not outliers) |
| 19:43.28 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes, but risk reduction is also pre-failure detection, isnt it? |
| 19:43.36 | Nyle | !tell Sake about ext3 |
| 19:43.43 | unsolo__ | so that what ever compromised ben does not compromise joe provided joe does not have bens stupid settings |
| 19:44.09 | abrotman | i don't think it's being detected at all .. it's a CYA thing |
| 19:44.15 | xingu | dutchfish: and what will happen beyond a shadow of a doubt is that in time these background performance stealers will _trend_ to isochronous behaviour on their normal case; basically, recieving a clock from the storage system |
| 19:44.21 | Nyle | JDigital, I hope that you are not charged with running an apache server for any company or project. |
| 19:44.23 | dutchfish | xingu, so true |
| 19:44.23 | unsolo__ | and if ben and joe uses different .htaccess you add more security |
| 19:44.25 | Saar | anyone know something about bonding? i cloned a disk from one server to another, since they're basically twins, less the Ip addresses. The servers use bonding of 4 ethx into 2 bond interfaces, bond0 (eth0 and eth2) and bond1 (eth1 and eth3) with each bond using one on board and one pci card interface. Wioth the cloned disk I had to rename the interfaces eth4...eth7 to have them recognised, networking comes up but I can't ping the machin |
| 19:44.25 | Saar | e. Is there something I might have forgot to change? |
| 19:45.00 | unsolo__ | wonders how much lag soft raid will give on his 4-way quad core once he gets it. |
| 19:45.04 | xingu | dutchfish: so as you add more and more of them, eventually all slots will get booked; and then you have iowait delays every time something wanders outside this normal (those outliers I handwaved at back up there) |
| 19:45.07 | JDigital | Nyle: What's your solution then |
| 19:45.11 | unsolo__ | it will have a hardware controller so why do i care.. |
| 19:45.16 | Saar | unsolo__: i doubt any |
| 19:45.29 | Nyle | JDigital, w/e it is, I'm not running two instances of apache. |
| 19:45.48 | JDigital | This is the problem, few people seem to know the correct method here |
| 19:45.53 | dutchfish | xingu, not to mention that such systems tends to have more wear and tear in the long run ;) |
| 19:45.54 | Saar | or not noticable, i would think, isn't i/o speed the bottleneck byd efault since even old CPUs are quite fast |
| 19:45.54 | xingu | dutchfish: _recognising_ this from day 1 before you deploy a single piece of kit is useful; because when the system _has hit_ this point and is _regularly_ waiting on completions - if you degrade as-usual performance, iowait _spirals_ |
| 19:46.05 | Nyle | Indeed it is a problem, but what exactly is the problem? |
| 19:46.13 | dutchfish | xingu, ok |
| 19:46.42 | xingu | dutchfish: and now you're talking crazy failure modes which are not "oh crap the whole datacenter is offline" - it's "hmm, this process that needs to complete in 24h, took 26 - and the one behind it used yesterday's data as a result" |
| 19:46.44 | benjamindees | unsolo__, less than the lag provided by a hardware raid solution of cost equal to the marginal cost of a faster cpu (or more cores) |
| 19:46.56 | xingu | dutchfish: and _they_ are the expensive (and likely!) failures. |
| 19:47.13 | Saar | i would opt using softraid always, hardware raid cards seem to often need proprietry software |
| 19:47.14 | unsolo__ | benjamindees: maybe i do like my areca controller tho ;) |
| 19:47.35 | dutchfish | xingu, now i lost you on th elast 2 lines |
| 19:47.39 | unsolo__ | areca runs with web on debian |
| 19:47.40 | JDigital | The problem is that if I host two websites for two users, each user can see the other's files. |
| 19:47.52 | Sake | ok, so I know ext3 can handle large files. My question now is whether or not a 30gb file is just as safe from corruption as the same file split into 2gb pieces. |
| 19:47.57 | Saar | dell's powerdge servers are a major pain to get to work, that is to monitor it, the raid itself seems to work fine |
| 19:48.00 | unsolo__ | JDigital: not if you use virtual hosts |
| 19:48.06 | JDigital | if apache runs as www-data:www-data then it can read all files that are www-data |
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| 19:48.21 | unsolo__ | JDigital: thats true its a shared user.. |
| 19:48.23 | JDigital | but if ben and joe are in group www-data |
| 19:48.26 | opoftheuniverse | hi |
| 19:48.29 | abrotman | i blame ben |
| 19:48.29 | JDigital | they can read each other's files |
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| 19:48.36 | abrotman | hi ? |
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| 19:48.40 | xingu | dutchfish: if IO performance is subnormal for any nontrivial period - then _completion times_ stretch; but IO is _never_ just for its own sake, there's _always_ a post-process that depends on the results of something prior |
| 19:48.42 | unsolo__ | but it comes down to permissions and configurations |
| 19:49.00 | dutchfish | xingu, ok, right, gotcha |
| 19:49.00 | Saar | linux' softraid mdadm offers some novel raid10 option, which is having 3 disks in a radi10 :) |
| 19:49.09 | JDigital | If the files are readable by group www-data then they are readable by ben and joe |
| 19:49.10 | Saar | raid |
| 19:49.17 | xingu | dutchfish: so if your iowait is bent out of shape by restriping then your completion times are bent out of shape and your whole delicately balanced house of cards is going to behave unpredictably as a result. |
| 19:49.22 | JDigital | that's not acceptable security unless I trust ben and joe |
| 19:49.23 | benjamindees | tthis is why we have user-groups; put apache in both the ben and joe groups... |
| 19:49.39 | xingu | dutchfish: but! here's the thing - restriping/ mirror rebuilding is _common_ - it's the single-failure case! |
| 19:49.39 | JDigital | Ah, but in that case apache can still read ben and joe |
| 19:49.48 | JDigital | meaning joe's script can read ben's stuff |
| 19:49.51 | benjamindees | and screw that joe guy; he's the one messing things up... |
| 19:49.51 | dutchfish | xingu, yes |
| 19:50.00 | xingu | dutchfish: _anything_ that makes that contribute to iowait times should be taken out, beat up, and shot. |
| 19:50.03 | \amethyst | JDigital: unless you run the scripts with suexec/suphp |
| 19:50.13 | dutchfish | xingu, righty! |
| 19:50.15 | unsolo__ | JDigital: any www can read any others www |
| 19:50.28 | JDigital | Not necessarily the case |
| 19:50.37 | unsolo__ | unless you supress things |
| 19:50.38 | JDigital | joe can't read ben's files |
| 19:50.40 | unsolo__ | such as php |
| 19:50.42 | JDigital | if apache runs as joe |
| 19:50.43 | unsolo__ | etc |
| 19:50.46 | abrotman | xingu: you're going to scare him! |
| 19:50.46 | JDigital | and apache runs as ben for ben |
| 19:50.53 | unsolo__ | using .htaccess |
| 19:50.55 | JDigital | we have two apaches each of whom are limited in power |
| 19:50.56 | stew | JDigital: so you have files that you want to put on the web, but you don't want joe to be able to view them? |
| 19:51.00 | dutchfish | xingu, and you think raid6 will be an alternative thats good enough in that context in the future? |
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| 19:51.07 | unsolo__ | xingu: see thats why i love the cell processor.. |
| 19:51.12 | JDigital | stew: If it's a PHP file it may contain code or passwords |
| 19:51.20 | JDigital | if joe has a wordpress install ben can read off his config file |
| 19:51.32 | \amethyst | JDigital: Are you worried about users accessing each others': A. static HTML files B. scripts C. data files for the scripts? |
| 19:51.37 | unsolo__ | JDigital: its virtual hosts |
| 19:51.45 | unsolo__ | i suggest you read up on them |
| 19:51.50 | JDigital | unsolo__: Is that like vps |
| 19:51.53 | unsolo__ | its one instance of apache but it forks |
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| 19:52.17 | unsolo__ | i have a web server with 50 web servers on it |
| 19:52.19 | JDigital | unsolo__: will it execute as www-data, or as ben/joe |
| 19:52.20 | unsolo__ | all virtual |
| 19:52.31 | stew | JDigital: perhaps running php as a suexec cgi? |
| 19:52.54 | JDigital | I need PHP as mod_php and not cgi |
| 19:52.56 | unsolo__ | JDigital: it executes as www-data but i think it chroots.. but ask the #apache guys on the details.. |
| 19:53.12 | sandman | Hm. Sadly, I've never actually used mutt. What a nice mail proggie, though. |
| 19:53.13 | unsolo__ | or RTFM |
| 19:53.25 | JDigital | the M is huge |
| 19:53.41 | stew | !info libapache2-mod-suphp stable |
| 19:53.43 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-suphp: (Apache2 module to run php scripts with the owner permissions), section net, is optional. Version: 0.6.2-1 (etch), Packaged size: 16 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 19:53.44 | abrotman | you should see W! |
| 19:53.49 | unsolo__ | JDigital: you should still read it. |
| 19:53.49 | dutchfish | xingu, anyway, nice and clear statements, thank you very much |
| 19:53.55 | JDigital | right |
| 19:54.00 | xingu | dutchfish: it's a part-fit; what I'd like to see would be something along the lines of - raid6 with _two_ redundant parity columns, and, a block-level structured log volume; such that at the first failure, writes are deferred to the log, _any_ available parity survivor is offlined, and then used to seed the replaced spindle |
| 19:54.09 | stew | JDigital: what about suphp? |
| 19:54.29 | JDigital | stew: if users joe and ben are in group www-data they can read each other's stuff |
| 19:54.37 | xingu | dutchfish: then, once the spindle has its parity _copied_ from the cold parity column, bring the whole shebang back online, and replay the write log. |
| 19:54.37 | dutchfish | xingu, that would be a time (cycles) saver |
| 19:54.40 | \amethyst | so you don't put them in group www-data |
| 19:54.45 | xingu | dutchfish: it'd be a _seek_ saver |
| 19:54.51 | stew | JDigital: so don't put users joe and ben in group www-data |
| 19:55.06 | dutchfish | xingu, wow, that sounds cool |
| 19:55.09 | xingu | dutchfish: seeks are lethal to performance |
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| 19:55.16 | stew | JDigital: or don't have the files readable by group www-data |
| 19:55.22 | JDigital | then apache can't read |
| 19:55.29 | \amethyst | JDigital: you use suPHP and suExec to make each user's PHPs and CGIs run as that user. Then the data files only need to be accessible to the user, not WWW-data |
| 19:55.29 | stew | JDigital: apache doesn't need to be able to read |
| 19:55.42 | \amethyst | JDigital: that's the point of suexec |
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| 19:55.51 | JDigital | ah |
| 19:56.02 | JDigital | In that case, what of things that aren't PHP |
| 19:56.04 | JDigital | perl, python, ruby |
| 19:56.09 | unsolo__ | so virtual hosts + suexec configurations and permissions |
| 19:56.23 | unsolo__ | start reading.. |
| 19:56.23 | xann | Hello, how do I change the timezone --> I currently have "Wed Apr 30 17:54:30 EDT 2008" --> I need "Wed Apr 30 17:54:30 CET 2008" (CET) |
| 19:56.26 | \amethyst | JDigital: suexec handles those, *but* you have to run them as CGIs, not with mod_* |
| 19:56.39 | dutchfish | xingu, brings me to the thought, how would you choose if this where giant solid state disks? |
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| 19:56.50 | \amethyst | JDigital: which might be a performance hit---but then again so is running multiple apache processes |
| 19:56.52 | JDigital | So if I want to use mod_python I'm out of luck? |
| 19:57.02 | adama | I want to compile the SVN functions into PHP ..can I do it with dpkg? |
| 19:57.15 | xingu | dutchfish: probably a simple mirror of linear appends |
| 19:57.25 | talexb | xann man tzconfig |
| 19:57.27 | dutchfish | xingu, that simple? |
| 19:57.39 | Tramp | JDigital: apparently you can tie a virt. host to a specific user-id (AssignUserID Directive). If you do complicated things, you will have to read manuals, test setups and maybe even write documents to explain to your users, what they have to do to make it work |
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| 19:57.43 | dutchfish | xingu, mmm |
| 19:57.59 | xann | talexb: I did run tzconfig, but it didn't change anything |
| 19:58.30 | xingu | dutchfish: yup; I'd want to see some jolly good numbers before getting more complex; those things can _fill_ their host interface, so there's no bus multiplexing going on anyway |
| 19:58.38 | dutchfish | xingu, but i must admit, everytime you come online a learn alot, thank you for that! |
| 19:58.47 | xingu | laughs |
| 19:58.54 | talexb | xann Did you run it as root? |
| 19:58.54 | xann | talexb: ignore me, I ran another command |
| 19:59.05 | talexb | ignores xann. ;) |
| 19:59.07 | JDigital | Tramp: Isn't that part of module perchild |
| 19:59.08 | xingu | here's me thinking that every time I come online I talk a lot of crap and everyone including me winds up dumber for it :) |
| 19:59.15 | JDigital | which is described as "This module is not functional. Development of this module is not complete and is not currently active. Do not use perchild unless you are a programmer willing to help fix it." |
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| 19:59.36 | dutchfish | xingu, at least it give me thinking all the time :) |
| 19:59.37 | xann | talexb: un-ignore me: I had mistaken tzselect with tzconfig, thank you :) |
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| 19:59.48 | talexb | xann You're welcome. ;) |
| 20:00.03 | xingu | dutchfish: the nice thing about linear append is that it's a bottomless pit - no rebuild necessary when you tack on the next piece |
| 20:00.08 | talexb | xann the apropos command is your friend. :) |
| 20:00.09 | jamon | xann: you can always manually symlink a zone from /usr/share/zoneinfo to /etc/localtime as well |
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| 20:00.16 | \amethyst | JDigital: there is a mod_python CGI handler I believe, but that has the performance hit of starting a new interpreter for each process |
| 20:00.49 | dutchfish | xingu, obviously, yes |
| 20:01.00 | xann | cool, thanks for the information people |
| 20:01.03 | talexb | I have a dpkg question: when removing a package, some files are left behind (and I'm not talking about the configuration files). What causes that? |
| 20:01.21 | Tramp | JDigital: ah. You are right. See how reading docs helps 8) |
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| 20:01.26 | stew | talexb: them being marked as conffiles |
| 20:01.33 | \amethyst | JDigital: actually, looking some more I might be wrong.. it might not be possible to use suexec with mod_python except with a non-standard MPM |
| 20:01.44 | talexb | stew, ... (and I'm not talking about the configuration files) |
| 20:01.51 | JDigital | that's my worry |
| 20:01.52 | xingu | dutchfish: the other thing to remember about those things is that there's no seek latency; so basically your entire strategy is 1/ trying to allocate many Nx bus-bandwidths to _a_ reader or writer and 2/ trying to allocate no less than 1x bus-bandwidth to _any_ reader or writer |
| 20:01.53 | stew | talexb: yes, i'm not either. i'm talking about conffiles |
| 20:02.15 | stew | talexb: are they listed in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.conffiles ? |
| 20:02.16 | dutchfish | xingu, ok, gone rethink my sins, and put it in the daylight of powerconsumption |
| 20:02.16 | \amethyst | JDigital: there is the itk mpm |
| 20:02.22 | talexb | stew, There are four files that are in conffiles. I have over a hundred files that get left behind. |
| 20:02.33 | stew | talexb: what is an example? |
| 20:02.37 | talexb | This isn't a Debian package, it's one I;ve made myself. |
| 20:02.48 | \amethyst | JDigital: it's not standard and is considered experimental, but it is shipped by debian |
| 20:02.51 | xingu | dutchfish: like I said, gut instinct is - mirror of linear append; because I wouldn't expect to gain much by striping them in the first case and I'd totally expect to lose in the second. |
| 20:02.54 | sandman | Is the first user added to a Debian system generally the one that intra-system mail is directed to? |
| 20:03.02 | JDigital | Experimental makes me nervous |
| 20:03.03 | stew | talexb: are these files that were orginally contained in the package? or were they generated? |
| 20:03.15 | keith4 | sandman: yes |
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| 20:03.27 | talexb | stew Good question -- yes, they were originally in the package, which is why I can't understand why they're not removed. |
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| 20:03.33 | sandman | keith4: Great. I needed that for configuring my hybrid ircd, yay for me. |
| 20:03.36 | keith4 | sandman: i.e. the user that the installer asks you to create |
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| 20:03.40 | dutchfish | xingu, no, more knight raider for me mom :) |
| 20:03.45 | xingu | laughs |
| 20:04.02 | Bagualas | can someone help me with make-live ? |
| 20:04.06 | sandman | keith4: Yeah. |
| 20:04.48 | hunterp | kill -9 does nothing to one process, and rebooting the machine is risky. what should i do? |
| 20:05.01 | abrotman | what is the PID state? |
| 20:05.23 | hunterp | root 8564 4.0 0.7 220056 16052 ? D Feb28 3568:04 /usr/local/java1.4.2_06/bin/java - |
| 20:05.32 | abrotman | can you kill the PPID ? |
| 20:05.39 | hunterp | which is 16052 ? |
| 20:05.40 | abrotman | god that's an old java |
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| 20:06.11 | abrotman | no .. 16052 is the RSS likely |
| 20:06.11 | hunterp | ok,ill find the ppid |
| 20:06.11 | stew | hunterp: its stuck waiting on io. you wan wait for the io to complete, or ignore it |
| 20:06.12 | vjoe | hello |
| 20:06.21 | \amethyst | hunterp: state D means 'uninterruptable sleep'. The process in hung waiting on I/O, and can't be interrupted (even with kill -9) |
| 20:06.28 | JDigital | hullo |
| 20:06.37 | abrotman | ps -ef would find the parent .. and it still might not die |
| 20:06.38 | JDigital | Is everythin in init.d launched at startup? |
| 20:06.41 | abrotman | no |
| 20:07.10 | \amethyst | hunterp: what does ps 8564 -o comm,wchan say? |
| 20:07.13 | JDigital | how do I launch something at startup |
| 20:07.21 | \amethyst | hunterp: in particular, the wchan column |
| 20:07.23 | stew | JDigital: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 20:07.26 | talexb | JDigital man chkconfig |
| 20:07.33 | hunterp | abrotman: ppid is 1 |
| 20:07.33 | stew | talexb: wrong os |
| 20:07.48 | abrotman | hunterp: don't kill that |
| 20:07.50 | talexb | stew Oops. Still stuck in fedora world. |
| 20:07.51 | JDigital | stew: it's a placeholder :) |
| 20:08.13 | stew | JDigital: huh? what do you mean? |
| 20:08.19 | talexb | stew, So, no more ideas? |
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| 20:08.43 | hunterp | \amethyst: sorry, my ps does not seem to recognize comm,wchan, this is a very old system |
| 20:08.44 | stew | talexb: no. i don't see why they wouldn't be removed. what is the current state of the package? |
| 20:08.48 | \amethyst | JDigital: it needs to have a link in the rc?.d directory for your runlevel, with the name SNNsomething (where NN is a number) |
| 20:08.59 | JDigital | What is it that makes apache run at startup |
| 20:09.20 | joeyjones | init.d i think |
| 20:09.26 | talexb | stew, It was installed and then removed on the test system, but hundreds of files were left behind. |
| 20:09.39 | JDigital | Does /etc/init.d/apache2 always run at startup |
| 20:09.41 | stew | talexb: what is the current status of the package? |
| 20:09.46 | JDigital | I mean if I put something new in there will it run that too |
| 20:09.50 | stew | JDigital: no |
| 20:10.14 | \amethyst | hunterp: there is some way to get it to give you the WCHAN column, maybe check man ps |
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| 20:10.17 | stew | JDigital: did you read /etc/init.d/README? |
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| 20:10.47 | \amethyst | JDigital: /etc/rc.d/S40apache2 |
| 20:10.49 | \amethyst | err |
| 20:10.51 | \amethyst | JDigital: /etc/rc2.d/S40apache2 |
| 20:10.59 | \amethyst | JDigital: which is a link to /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 20:11.01 | talexb | stew: When you say status, are you talking about installed / removed .. or something else? |
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| 20:11.17 | stew | talexb: yes, the output of "dpkg -s packagename | grep Status" |
| 20:11.19 | \amethyst | JDigital: on entering runlevel 2, init runs that script with the argument 'start' |
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| 20:11.59 | mo1991 | can anyone tell me what driver to use with debian lenny to get a pcmcia prism 2 wifi card working? Previously used hostap modules but hostap-source is not included in lenny |
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| 20:12.20 | hunterp | \amethyst: wchan=rpc_execute |
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| 20:12.38 | \amethyst | hunterp: hm, do you have NFS? |
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| 20:12.51 | hunterp | \amethyst: yes |
| 20:12.54 | talexb | stew, on my system it says 'installed ok installed' |
| 20:13.08 | \amethyst | hunterp: probably it's hanging waiting for the NFS server to respond to something |
| 20:13.36 | \amethyst | hunterp: with recent versions of Linux and mount you can give a mount option that makes NFS hangs interruptible |
| 20:13.55 | stew | talexb: then i wouldn't expect the files from that pacakge to be removed, since the package hasn't been removed |
| 20:14.27 | talexb | stew Just removed it, and now it says 'deinstall ok config-files' |
| 20:14.33 | JDigital | Ah. So if I wanted to run separate apache instances would I need to create more init.d scripts, and symlink them here? |
| 20:14.38 | \amethyst | hunterp: Is the machine having problems taking to the NFS server |
| 20:14.49 | stew | talexb: and do the files remain? |
| 20:15.19 | talexb | stew .. Fascinating .. no, they don't. (Trying to remove egg from face.) |
| 20:15.22 | \amethyst | JDigital: yes... BTW, do your virtual hosts have different IP addresses? |
| 20:15.29 | JDigital | I don't think so |
| 20:15.35 | talexb | So it seems my boss' test system is b0rked. |
| 20:15.52 | Snadder | Anyone know easiest way to install skype for lenny.. Only etch has an .deb package on theire home page. |
| 20:15.54 | \amethyst | JDigital: then you will need to run the separate per-user instances on local interfaces of some kind, or on non-standard ports |
| 20:16.03 | JDigital | I plan on giving them different ports and proxying them from a front one on port 80 |
| 20:16.07 | talexb | stew OK, thanks for the education .. much appreciated. |
| 20:16.08 | \amethyst | JDigital: oh good |
| 20:16.14 | \amethyst | JDigital: I was about to suggest mod_proxy |
| 20:16.25 | JDigital | yeah someone else suggested something similar |
| 20:16.25 | Snadder | Why aint skype in the official apt mirror for lenny? |
| 20:16.32 | \amethyst | JDigital: also, I would avoid using apache2ctl for the other instances |
| 20:16.37 | stew | Snadder: becuase it isn't free software |
| 20:16.41 | JDigital | oh? |
| 20:16.50 | JDigital | isn't apache2ctl how you launch the apache |
| 20:16.57 | \amethyst | JDigital: because it assumes /etc/apache2 in a few places |
| 20:17.13 | \amethyst | JDigital: that's how debian normally launches apache |
| 20:17.17 | JDigital | ah |
| 20:17.25 | JDigital | this is more complex than I thought |
| 20:17.41 | JDigital | Actually if I feed it a different config file |
| 20:17.44 | Snadder | stew, ok.. I'll download the binary then. |
| 20:17.57 | JDigital | apachectl -f /usr/local/apache2/conf/host1.conf -k start |
| 20:17.58 | JDigital | apachectl -f /usr/local/apache2/conf/host2.conf -k start |
| 20:18.04 | \amethyst | JDigital: but since each instance of apache will need its own conf directory, you'll need to start it with something like apache2 -f /home/bob/apache2/apache2.conf -k start |
| 20:18.22 | \amethyst | JDigital: ah, you're right |
| 20:18.22 | stew | Snadder: when you do, check the license agreement, i'm guessing there will be a clause in there that says you may not redistribute it, which would keep it out of even unofficial mirrors |
| 20:18.35 | JDigital | Will that approach work |
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| 20:18.45 | talexb | JDigital That's right -- I ran a server that had 16 different web servers (lightly loaded) on it .. the process tree looked cool. |
| 20:19.01 | JDigital | talexb: Ah, is that how you did it too? |
| 20:19.11 | talexb | You do have to limit the number of kids so you don't run out of memory too fast though. |
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| 20:19.14 | Snadder | stew, ok.. I saw skype was on some unofficial mirrors.. but only for etch or older. |
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| 20:19.39 | \amethyst | JDigital: you might need to override the APACHE_ENVVARS variable to point to /usr/local/apache2/conf/host1.envvars too |
| 20:20.14 | vjoe | Linux is better with a nVidia video card, right? |
| 20:20.20 | vjoe | in terms of compatibility and drivers |
| 20:20.53 | \amethyst | JDigital: (that env var points to a file where debian records the run-as user and group, and the pidfile name, for use with apache2ctl; this should be different for each host, so you'd want a different file for each) |
| 20:21.15 | \amethyst | JDigital: see /etc/apache2/envvars, /usr/sbin/apache2ctl, and /etc/init.d/apache2 |
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| 20:22.53 | Tramp | JDigital: also don't forget the logging (different directories, additional logrotate script) |
| 20:23.02 | hunterp | so i have this OLD OLD nfs mount on my machine that is no longer even in fstab |
| 20:23.11 | Snadder | Anyone know how I get a program I install from source into the debian internet menu? |
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| 20:24.12 | Snadder | *application menu* |
| 20:24.15 | simonrvn | vjoe: depends |
| 20:24.44 | vjoe | simonrvn, on what? |
| 20:25.21 | simonrvn | nv x driver only supports 2d, you have to use the non-free nvidia for 3d |
| 20:25.38 | sigmonsays | [grub] how do I set the default boot loader? I had savedefault in my last booted entry, which is not default anymore. but the new kernel wont take |
| 20:25.43 | vjoe | and does the non-free nvidia driver work well? |
| 20:25.44 | sigmonsays | s/loader/image/ |
| 20:25.47 | simonrvn | on newer cards, you have to use the non-free stuff regardless of video card manuf. |
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| 20:26.13 | \amethyst | Snadder: man menufile (the manpage is found in the 'menu' package) |
| 20:26.14 | mo1991 | can someone help me with wifi pcmcia card? uses prism 2 chipset. used to use hostap drivers compiled from hostap-source, but this package is not included in debian testing anymore. with new kernels are the hostap drivers supposedly included? any suggestions |
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| 20:26.34 | \amethyst | Snadder: also /usr/share/doc/menu/html/index.html |
| 20:26.43 | simonrvn | vjoe: i haven't had very bad experiences with it, but some have (system lock ups, weird video artifacts) |
| 20:27.06 | simonrvn | i was also using an old card, tnt2, heh |
| 20:27.32 | hunterp | \amethyst: in proc/8564/fd the socket is red. does that mean anything ? |
| 20:27.40 | simonrvn | have this geforce2 mx400, but it doesn't play nice with the amd chipset on this box. using a radeon right now |
| 20:28.40 | \amethyst | hunterp: that's normal: ls thinks it's a broken symlink because the thing that it points to isn't really a file |
| 20:28.58 | hunterp | \amethyst: how can i find what this process is waiting on ? |
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| 20:29.37 | \amethyst | hunterp: hm... well, WCHAN told you want kernel function it was executing when it found it had to wait |
| 20:30.10 | \amethyst | hunterp: unfortunately, AFAIK you can't strace or attach gdb to a D-state process |
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| 20:30.40 | hunterp | \amethyst: if i umount all nfs from the box could that help me kill the proc? |
| 20:30.40 | \amethyst | hunterp: does it have any open files on the NFS mount? |
| 20:30.50 | kingsley | Recently, I've been finding my box hung. Is there any place to look for clues besides /var/log/* and possibly dmesg? |
| 20:31.21 | \amethyst | hunterp: not sure; I suspect it won't let you umount it because it's in use by the hung process, but I could be wrong |
| 20:31.24 | hunterp | \amethyst: according to /proc/8564/fd no |
| 20:31.35 | \amethyst | hunterp: hm |
| 20:32.00 | maxxle | Hi! I want to unmount a hdd. i get a message that the device is busy. How can I list all open file-descriptoers to the whole device? |
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| 20:32.21 | \amethyst | hunterp: I'm not really sure how to continue :( |
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| 20:33.06 | \amethyst | maxxle: first make sure nothing else is mounted under that mountpoint |
| 20:33.44 | \amethyst | maxxle: then something like lsof +D /mount/point |
| 20:34.09 | maxxle | Ah thx! That did it!! |
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| 20:34.46 | disposable | i'm compiling a kernel i will use on both k8 and core 2 duo. what is the most recent architecture that both of these have full instruction set for? i386,i486,i586,i686,pentium,pentiumX,...? |
| 20:35.00 | disposable | i hope this makes sense |
| 20:35.22 | sigmonsays | disposable, not sure.. my best guess is i686 |
| 20:35.30 | sigmonsays | but k8 is dual core? |
| 20:35.43 | disposable | sigmonsays: no, single |
| 20:36.12 | sigmonsays | jsut do one for both architectures |
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| 20:38.14 | disposable | sigmonsays: not possible, not desired. |
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| 20:38.37 | sigmonsays | interesting.. ;) |
| 20:38.44 | sigmonsays | just failsafe on 386 then ;) |
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| 20:39.09 | sigmonsays | I would think 686 would be the "best" |
| 20:39.19 | sigmonsays | but that's entirely objective |
| 20:40.38 | path_ | indeed there are no several performance issues implied. |
| 20:40.52 | sphenxes | i am cloning my hard drive (4 GB eeepc) to flash usb memory stick. The hard drive is 4 GB and the Memory stick of 8 GB with two partition one is 4.2 GB + 3.8 GB. I am cloning the hard drive 4 GB to partition one (4.2 GB) . command dd if=/dev/sda1 of=/dev/sdc1. My question my target drive is 200 mb larger than the orginal hard drive. would that cause any problem during my backup or restore. (i have read that both of them must |
| 20:40.57 | sphenxes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:41.26 | path_ | no It wont |
| 20:41.57 | hyper_ch | hi, I got a problem with dm_crypt/luks.... I encrypted several partitions - that worked fine... now after reboot it just get a message that those aren't LUKS partitions... anyone can help? |
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| 20:42.20 | \amethyst | disposable: do you want 64-bit or 32-bit? |
| 20:42.36 | disposable | \amethyst: 32bit |
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| 20:42.55 | \amethyst | disposable: then -686. -k7 has been dropped in sid anyway because it provided no real performance benefit over -686 anyway |
| 20:43.23 | Tramp | hyper_ch: cryptsetup isLuks /dev/foobar should tell you - maybe you specified the wrong blockdevice in your fstab or wherever this message comes from? |
| 20:43.24 | \amethyst | disposable: you don't want -486 because it doesn't have SMP or >1GB RAM support |
| 20:43.34 | disposable | \amethyst: thank you |
| 20:43.49 | hyper_ch | Tramp: I used sofar a key file to unlock it... this worked.... and now I can't even unlock it manually |
| 20:44.02 | JyZyXEL | i should put all my irc logs trought a URL regexp and then wget them all |
| 20:44.05 | sigmonsays | So, why might grub not boot my xen kernel? I imagine it'd hang but instead it keeps booting the "last" item in my grub/menu.lst |
| 20:44.19 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how much data i would get |
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| 20:44.27 | hyper_ch | Tramp: no, says also it's not a luks partition |
| 20:44.58 | Tramp | hyper_ch: huh. This sounds not so good then. What did you do? |
| 20:45.05 | hyper_ch | Tramp: wait a sec... |
| 20:45.44 | stew | \amethyst: there is nothing preventing one from compiling a kernel for 486 with SMB and >1GB RAM support |
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| 20:46.00 | \amethyst | stew: right, but I'm talking about debian kernels |
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| 20:46.09 | stew | \amethyst: and he isn't |
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| 20:46.17 | hyper_ch | Tramp: hmmm, it seems that my drives got somehow swapped.... |
| 20:46.20 | \amethyst | oh |
| 20:46.26 | nascentmind | hi |
| 20:46.44 | nascentmind | i installed java6 using backports but my jre is still in 1.5 |
| 20:47.12 | \amethyst | disposable: I meant, the Debian -686 kernel will work on both of them. Unless it's too big for you or you need some bleeding-edge out-of-tree code, there's probably no reason to compile your own |
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| 20:47.33 | nascentmind | any ideas to correct it? |
| 20:47.37 | disposable | stew: but i wanted the _latest_ architecture instruction set supported by both |
| 20:47.46 | sigmonsays | sh1t. I only have remote to a machine |
| 20:48.02 | stew | disposable: probably k8 |
| 20:48.05 | stew | disposable: ask #gcc |
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| 20:48.22 | disposable | stew: that's a good idea actually |
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| 20:49.58 | hyper_ch | Tramp: yeah, somehow sda and sdc got interchanged.... now that is weird |
| 20:50.12 | hyper_ch | Tramp: I already thought I list 1.5 TB of data |
| 20:51.09 | Tramp | hyper_ch: lucky you then ;) |
| 20:51.12 | nascentmind | can anybody help me? |
| 20:51.41 | hyper_ch | Tramp: but still I'm confused as to why suddenly the labeling was changed... btw, how can I get the UUID of a partition? |
| 20:51.48 | \amethyst | nascentmind: update-java-alternatives --config |
| 20:51.59 | \amethyst | nascentmind: err, sorry |
| 20:52.08 | \amethyst | nascentmind: update-java-alternatives --list and make sure java-6-sun is there |
| 20:52.19 | \amethyst | nascentmind: if it is, update-java-alternatives -s java-6-sun |
| 20:52.35 | nascentmind | its there |
| 20:52.45 | nascentmind | it shows 2 java versions |
| 20:53.32 | Sake | so I installed rdiff-backup on my ubuntu server via apt-get and it installed version 1.1.14, when I did the same thing on my debian server, it gave me version 1.1.5, Is there a reason why rdiff-backup isn't so up to date in the debian repository? Do I need to add something ot my sources.list? |
| 20:53.34 | \amethyst | nascentmind: so do the -s and that will make 'java' 'javac' 'jdb' 'keytool' etc use the java 6 version |
| 20:53.47 | Tramp | hyper_ch: /dev/disk/by-uuid/ - there is also some system command (vol_id). |
| 20:54.00 | hyper_ch | Tramp: thx :) |
| 20:54.28 | nascentmind | \amethyst, yep works :) |
| 20:54.37 | nascentmind | \amethyst, where can i get the java plugins? |
| 20:55.02 | nascentmind | \amethyst, it gave messages saying plugin alternatives does not exist at the end. |
| 20:55.03 | \amethyst | nascentmind: amd64 or i386? |
| 20:55.12 | nascentmind | \amethyst, amd64 |
| 20:55.16 | \amethyst | nascentmind: you can't :( |
| 20:55.23 | \amethyst | nascentmind: there is no 64-bit java plugin |
| 20:55.24 | nascentmind | \amethyst, why? |
| 20:55.29 | nascentmind | \amethyst, oh k |
| 20:55.30 | \amethyst | nascentmind: not for Linux anyway |
| 20:55.40 | nascentmind | \amethyst, there is for windows? |
| 20:55.44 | \amethyst | probably not |
| 20:55.49 | \amethyst | but I bet there is for Solaris |
| 20:56.14 | nascentmind | \amethyst, is it k if i upgrade the etch backports files? |
| 20:56.25 | \amethyst | nascentmind: what do you mean? |
| 20:56.38 | nascentmind | \amethyst, backport packages |
| 20:56.49 | nascentmind | \amethyst, it says 314 upgrade pending. |
| 20:57.10 | \amethyst | nascentmind: Probably not a bad idea |
| 20:57.25 | nascentmind | \amethyst, can i mix stable and testing? |
| 20:57.39 | \amethyst | nascentmind: you can, but you are liable to end up with a broken system |
| 20:57.46 | vjoe | guys, is there anyway to use the additional mouse buttons on Linux? |
| 20:57.53 | nascentmind | \amethyst, then what abt backports? |
| 20:58.07 | \amethyst | nascentmind: backports are generally okay |
| 20:58.20 | \amethyst | nascentmind: since they've been recompiled against the etch versions of pakages |
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| 20:58.50 | nascentmind | \amethyst, debian seems to be getting complicated by the day. |
| 20:58.51 | \amethyst | nascentmind: the problem with mixing distributions is that you end up having to pull in huge amounts of the more recent distribution because of dependency issues (library updates, etc) |
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| 21:00.23 | \amethyst | nascentmind: I would say, in order from least to most broken (right now; this isn't always the case): 1. stable 2. stable + backports 3. testing 4. a mix of stable and testing |
| 21:00.50 | hyper_ch | Tramp: does a swap partition also have a uuid? |
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| 21:01.03 | nascentmind | \amethyst, hmm.. |
| 21:01.07 | Eulex | nascentmind, installing _all_ backports available from backports.org is definitely a bad idea |
| 21:01.29 | \amethyst | at some points (just after a release), a mix might be fairly stable, but that's because the two distributions haven't had a chance to diverge much |
| 21:01.57 | Eulex | I myself run a mix of testing and unstable. but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. |
| 21:02.00 | nascentmind | Eulex, uhm i upgraded java and it upgraded gcc and libstdc+ too |
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| 21:02.16 | nascentmind | Eulex, why is latest java not put in stable? |
| 21:02.24 | nascentmind | is/isn't |
| 21:02.24 | \amethyst | nascentmind: unstable is somewhere between 3.5 and 42 on that list |
| 21:02.26 | Tramp | hyper_ch: huh. no idea - actually I never use 'em 8) |
| 21:02.28 | Eulex | nascentmind, because it's not? |
| 21:02.37 | \amethyst | nascentmind: because new stuff doesn't go into stable |
| 21:02.42 | \amethyst | nascentmind: that's what "stable" means |
| 21:02.43 | hyper_ch | Tramp: ah :) haven't used them so far either.... |
| 21:02.44 | Eulex | nascentmind, stable has what was stable when stable was released |
| 21:02.46 | nascentmind | k but java being not stable? |
| 21:03.33 | Tramp | hyper_ch: I doubt that it has an uuid, since it is just a linear array of pages - but I may be wrong. |
| 21:03.48 | nascentmind | isn't java tested for stability and all by sun itself? |
| 21:03.50 | hyper_ch | Tramp: well, then I'll assign that as /dev/sda3 |
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| 21:04.08 | \amethyst | nascentmind: There are two different meanings of the word "stable" |
| 21:04.33 | stew | nascentmind: for debian, stable means "not changing". it doesn't mean "not crashy" |
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| 21:04.47 | \amethyst | nascentmind: in the context of Debian releases, it means "this has been tested, it more or less works, and we're not going to change it except for security fixes" |
| 21:04.49 | nascentmind | oh k |
| 21:04.49 | JDigital | I'm looking for someone who's got the following configuration working on debian and can discuss how it's done: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/DifferentUserIDsUsingReverseProxy |
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| 21:05.03 | stew | nascentmind: so once the current stable was released a year ago, it stopped getting new versions of software |
| 21:05.24 | \amethyst | nascentmind: the idea is that new versions, even if they are better and have fewer bugs, have *different* bugs |
| 21:05.34 | nascentmind | :) |
| 21:05.41 | \amethyst | nascentmind: once you know what the bugs are, you can work around them, but that doesn't work if the bugs keep changing |
| 21:06.12 | nascentmind | but that works well if all the release is in synch right? |
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| 21:06.25 | jetscreamer | somebody paste me a working fglrx xorg.conf somewhere... but later |
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| 21:07.44 | Bushmills | nascentmind: read "stable" as "doesn;t change" |
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| 21:08.17 | Bushmills | like "a stable collection of packages" |
| 21:08.18 | nascentmind | what should i do if i want latest software? should i move from stable to testing? |
| 21:08.46 | Bushmills | nascentmind: where you use "stable" you probably don't want latest software. |
| 21:09.03 | Bushmills | where you want latest software, using testing instead of stable is one option |
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| 21:09.15 | Bushmills | s/latest/more recent/ |
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| 21:09.26 | nascentmind | Bushmills, that means i would have to do a dist-upgrade right? |
| 21:09.46 | Bushmills | nascentmind: you could also have a look at etch-and-a-half |
| 21:09.56 | nascentmind | whats that? |
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| 21:10.08 | Bushmills | that's stable with some updates |
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| 21:10.24 | Taylor | !contrib |
| 21:10.24 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 21:11.27 | Taylor | what mirrors are there? |
| 21:11.31 | Taylor | !mirrors |
| 21:11.31 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 21:11.46 | \amethyst | Bushmills: I thought only installer and kernel updates |
| 21:12.23 | billy12 | does ne one have ne expericne w/ debian on kernel 2.6.25 |
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| 21:12.46 | dondelelcaro | billy12: just ask your question |
| 21:12.53 | Bushmills | \amethyst: i'm actually not up to date with what is update in etchandahalf. still thought i better mention it before suggesting to dist-upgrade to lenny |
| 21:13.27 | billy12 | i dont have a question, i just want to see if ne one has had problem be i install 2/6/25 |
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| 21:14.29 | Nyle | Taylor, /msg dpkg dpkgbot |
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| 21:23.53 | Akuw | i need to know what is the maximun size of a file in Debian etch |
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| 21:24.06 | dondelelcaro | Akuw: that's filesystem dependent |
| 21:24.14 | sputnick | hi guys |
| 21:24.32 | Akuw | ext3 |
| 21:24.34 | dondelelcaro | Akuw: in general, the limit should exceed your diskspace in all but extreemely unusual cases. |
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| 21:25.33 | dondelelcaro | Akuw: but generally, it's around 2TB. |
| 21:25.45 | sputnick | I need to enable "bash --enable-net-redirections" to support /dev/tcp features, but debian doesn't have this by default. is there a trick except compiling bash ? because I'm encontering some problemes with "make" : |
| 21:25.46 | sputnick | ./lib/malloc/libmalloc.a(malloc.o):/root/sources/bash-3.2/lib/malloc/malloc.c:1263: first defined here |
| 21:25.46 | sputnick | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 21:25.46 | sputnick | make: *** [bash] Error 1 |
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| 21:25.58 | sputnick | heh |
| 21:26.02 | sputnick | :° |
| 21:26.45 | Akuw | 2TB ? |
| 21:27.02 | Bushmills | Akuw: it is more likely that an individual app, trying to position to a location in the file, may limit the file size, by for example using 32 bit file offsets or such. i know of close source apps which suffer from this problem, and they look like a file system limit - but are in reality sloppy applicatrion coding |
| 21:27.03 | Akuw | what about this http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/full-table.html |
| 21:27.17 | sputnick | I need to enable "bash --enable-net-redirections" to support /dev/tcp features, but debian doesn't have this by default. is there a trick except compiling bash ? because I'm encontering some problemes with "make" : "collect2: ld returned 1 exit status" ; "make: *** [bash] Error 1" |
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| 21:27.37 | sputnick | any clue ? |
| 21:27.43 | Akuw | i need to know because a DB will take 2,5 TB |
| 21:28.00 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: why in the world are you using that bash misfeature? |
| 21:28.06 | Bushmills | Akuw: for example, if an app has a problem with files > 2 GB, you can almost be sure that they used signed 32 bit entities as index into files. |
| 21:28.21 | sputnick | dondelelcaro: because I'm a bash programmer |
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| 21:29.07 | sputnick | dondelelcaro: wtf about this feature ? |
| 21:29.21 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: so use nc or similar instead |
| 21:29.28 | Bushmills | yeah, last time i looked it was 2 TB max |
| 21:29.28 | sputnick | netcat ? |
| 21:29.45 | dondelelcaro | Akuw: that page explains exactly what to do about it. |
| 21:30.07 | sputnick | I don't ask to use nc but /dev/tcp bash feature dondelelcaro |
| 21:30.09 | dondelelcaro | Akuw: postgresql for example, doesn't have that problem because it splits the database into separate files anyway |
| 21:30.49 | Akuw | humm, like table space |
| 21:30.51 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: then rebuild the bash package and change the configuration options. apt-get source bash; apt-get builddep bash; apt-get install fakeroot build-essential; twiddle debian/rules, dch -i; fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
| 21:30.54 | Akuw | mysql do that |
| 21:31.13 | dondelelcaro | (and then put mysql on hold or similar) |
| 21:31.16 | dondelelcaro | s/mysql/bash/ |
| 21:31.17 | Bushmills | Akuw: jfs may be an alternative. max filesize is iirc 16 TB |
| 21:31.51 | Bushmills | or was that jfs2 ... not sure |
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| 21:32.43 | Bushmills | Akuw: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pseries/v5r3/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.aix.baseadmn/doc/baseadmndita/fs_jfs2.htm |
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| 21:33.23 | sputnick | dondelelcaro: any doc to "rebuild the bash package" ? |
| 21:33.23 | dondelelcaro | ext4 supports to 1EiB or thereabouts... |
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| 21:33.31 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: uh... I just gave you the commands |
| 21:33.38 | sputnick | dondelelcaro: or any rebuild package tricks |
| 21:33.51 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: if you don't understand what I wrote, then the manpages explain it all |
| 21:34.01 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
| 21:34.01 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 21:34.06 | sputnick | ooop, sorry dondelelcaro, I think it will for post configuration |
| 21:34.07 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: the above may also be informative |
| 21:34.08 | xingu | I'd hate to see the hoofprint of the indecies on a 1EiB tablespace |
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| 21:35.02 | AwesomeGuy | is dpkg supposed to not respond to a pm if your not in the channel? |
| 21:35.14 | stew | AwesomeGuy: yes, it will not respond |
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| 21:36.15 | Bushmills | Akuw: then there is XFS with 8 exabutes max file size. |
| 21:36.18 | Bushmills | bytes |
| 21:36.42 | Akuw | but can i use XFS in Debian ? |
| 21:36.47 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:36.54 | Bushmills | yes. but you better have stable power supply |
| 21:36.58 | abrotman | AwesomeGuy: you can join #debian-bots if that's easier |
| 21:37.02 | AwesomeGuy | is infrared relevent anymore? this old laptop from 1999 has it |
| 21:37.27 | Bushmills | Akuw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XFS |
| 21:37.40 | Akuw | humm |
| 21:37.48 | Akuw | well i need only 4TB by now |
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| 21:37.54 | Akuw | the what can i use? |
| 21:38.03 | stew | i thought the limit of filesize in ext3 was number of blocks, not number of bytes |
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| 21:38.42 | dondelelcaro | stew: yes, which gives you a limit based on blocksize |
| 21:39.07 | stew | dondelelcaro: so if he is hitting a 2tb limit and needs 4tb, he could use a 1k blocksize, right? |
| 21:39.17 | dondelelcaro | stew: no, the 2TiB limit is with a 4K blocksize |
| 21:39.34 | stew | err 8k then |
| 21:39.43 | dondelelcaro | not everything supports 8K blocks |
| 21:39.47 | stew | ok |
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| 21:45.31 | Bushmills | hm .. speaking about file systems - would it make sense to place, in a 2 disk system - a disk0 partiiton journal on disk1 and vice versa? |
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| 21:46.35 | Bushmills | assuming scsi, or ide on different controllers ... |
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| 21:53.56 | sputnick | dondelelcaro: |
| 21:53.59 | sputnick | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:55.42 | HSorgYves_ | i wanted to install Debian on a quite old machine for testing purpose. the boot process after successful installation stops at the kernel line of /boot/grub/menu.lst with error 25. any idea what i could check? |
| 21:56.08 | simonrvn | !error 25 |
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| 21:56.36 | roxazer | i have to do something with my clock, i have ntp and it but it still goes wrong. hom to fix? |
| 21:57.23 | roxazer | ive done something with date i know, but cant remember |
| 21:57.39 | stew | sputnick: they are in a subdirectory of the directory where you ran apt-get source |
| 21:57.50 | sputnick | heh |
| 21:57.52 | sputnick | ok |
| 21:58.08 | Bushmills | roxazer: what does ntpq -c peers localhost show? |
| 21:58.17 | Taylor | !vm |
| 21:58.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vm is at http://www.wonderworks.com/vm/ |
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| 21:58.29 | roxazer | Bushmills: ntp1.gbg.netnod .INIT. 16 - - 1024 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 |
| 21:58.53 | Bushmills | roxazer: the ntp server you attempt to sync with appears to be bad |
| 21:58.59 | roxazer | Bushmills: i live in sweden |
| 21:59.03 | roxazer | Bushmills: maby |
| 21:59.16 | Nyle | how about just pool.ntp.org |
| 21:59.24 | roxazer | will try |
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| 21:59.47 | Nyle | pool dot nutup dor orgy |
| 21:59.51 | Bushmills | roxazer: try as server: se.pool.ntp.org |
| 22:00.07 | roxazer | server se.pool.ntp.org - in /etc/ntp.conf |
| 22:00.07 | Nyle | Bushmills, hmm.. do they have one for each country code then? |
| 22:00.08 | roxazer | ? |
| 22:00.21 | HSorgYves_ | simonrvn: ? |
| 22:00.34 | Bushmills | Nyle: for those which have servers |
| 22:00.40 | Nyle | ahh |
| 22:00.49 | simonrvn | just wanted to see if there was a relevant factoid.. should've done in priv |
| 22:01.08 | Nyle | Bushmills, hey cool, Pakistan has one too |
| 22:01.14 | Nyle | pk.pool.ntp.org |
| 22:01.49 | Nyle | simonrvn, hi |
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| 22:01.49 | Bushmills | roxazer: you can add the server lines 2 or 3 times |
| 22:01.49 | Nyle | kwe kwe |
| 22:01.49 | roxazer | Bushmills: why more than one time? |
| 22:01.57 | HSorgYves_ | well it has something to do with the disk (probably the one with / on it) cannot be read, but why? |
| 22:02.00 | Bushmills | roxazer: so you don't depend on one single server only. |
| 22:02.26 | roxazer | Bushmills: so i sync to 3 different servers? |
| 22:02.33 | Bushmills | one might be totally off, or down, though these condition will be caught relatively quickly. |
| 22:02.55 | Bushmills | but you may have bad luck of just catching a bad error 2 min after it went vad |
| 22:02.57 | Bushmills | bad |
| 22:03.13 | Bushmills | roxazer: yes. pool uses round robin dns |
| 22:03.35 | simonrvn | hi Nyle |
| 22:03.35 | Bushmills | and your ntpd will figure out which one it likes best |
| 22:03.35 | roxazer | which servers? |
| 22:03.38 | Nyle | simonrvn, prv |
| 22:03.57 | Bushmills | just repeat the se.pool.ntp.org line |
| 22:05.13 | roxazer | Bushmills: i did /etc/init.d/ntp restart but the time didnt change |
| 22:05.51 | Bushmills | roxazer: stop ntpd first, then set time, with for example ntpdate -b se.pool.ntp.org |
| 22:05.59 | Bushmills | then restart ntpd |
| 22:06.08 | roxazer | okey |
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| 22:06.54 | roxazer | Bushmills: nope, didnt change :/ |
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| 22:06.57 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: keep it in the channel, but it's in the current directory |
| 22:07.16 | Bushmills | roxazer: what does ntpq -c peers localhost show now? |
| 22:07.29 | sputnick | oO :D |
| 22:07.40 | roxazer | Bushmills: same as before,it hasnt change the server |
| 22:07.45 | roxazer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.52 | Bushmills | roxazer: fix that |
| 22:07.57 | roxazer | how do i change? |
| 22:08.24 | Bushmills | what did you change? |
| 22:08.44 | sputnick | debian README about --disable-net-redirections http://pastebin.com/d5b873a8a |
| 22:08.50 | sputnick | :/ |
| 22:08.56 | roxazer | Bushmills: i want to change the server |
| 22:09.10 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.15 | roxazer | yes |
| 22:09.20 | roxazer | #server ntp1.gbg.netnod.se iburst |
| 22:09.21 | roxazer | server se.pool.ntp.org |
| 22:09.25 | roxazer | and then 2 more times |
| 22:09.36 | roxazer | on se.pool.ntp.org |
| 22:10.17 | Bushmills | how did you restart ntpd? |
| 22:10.31 | roxazer | /etc/init.d/ntp restart |
| 22:11.01 | Bushmills | stop it |
| 22:11.15 | Bushmills | do the ntpq command again |
| 22:11.20 | roxazer | okey |
| 22:11.40 | roxazer | # ntpdate -b se.pool.ntp.org 1 May 00:29:32 ntpdate[11373]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting |
| 22:12.08 | Bushmills | it evidently didn't stop. and i asked for the ntpq line, not the ntpdate line |
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| 22:12.40 | roxazer | oh |
| 22:12.45 | roxazer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.46 | roxazer | same |
| 22:12.57 | Bushmills | what does cat /etc/debian_version show? |
| 22:13.09 | roxazer | 4.0 |
| 22:13.23 | Bushmills | do: pkill ntpd |
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| 22:13.32 | roxazer | done |
| 22:13.44 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:13.56 | roxazer | nothing |
| 22:14.07 | Bushmills | ntpdate -b .... now |
| 22:14.29 | roxazer | that looks better |
| 22:14.36 | roxazer | now it is correvt |
| 22:14.39 | roxazer | correct |
| 22:14.41 | Bushmills | when time is right, start ntpd again |
| 22:14.42 | sputnick | dondelelcaro: is " fakeroot debian/rules clean binary" a real command ? |
| 22:14.56 | sputnick | ( all the string ) |
| 22:16.16 | stew | sputnick: yes |
| 22:16.38 | roxazer | Bushmills: thank you |
| 22:16.44 | Bushmills | yw |
| 22:17.28 | sputnick | dondelelcaro: "fakeroot debian/rules clean binary : fakeroot: FAKEROOTKEY set to 587155925; fakeroot: nested operation not yet support" :/ |
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| 22:19.17 | simonrvn | sputnick: ignore that |
| 22:19.21 | sputnick | ? |
| 22:20.22 | simonrvn | the fakerootkey blah bleh stuff |
| 22:20.23 | sputnick | run fakeroot implies that mahe a .deb true ? |
| 22:20.34 | sputnick | s/mahe/make |
| 22:20.42 | sputnick | there's no .deb |
| 22:21.04 | simonrvn | fakeroot just fakes being root for stuff that needs root to exec succesfully, such as chmod 0:0 |
| 22:21.12 | simonrvn | the .deb(s) will be in .. |
| 22:21.23 | simonrvn | i.e. parent dir |
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| 22:27.25 | sputnick | simonrvn: yeak, that compile now, :) |
| 22:27.33 | sputnick | *yeah |
| 22:27.40 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: but just to repeat again, you really should not be writing scripts that rely on that "feature" of bash. |
| 22:27.49 | sputnick | don't make packages all the time ;) |
| 22:28.09 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: use netcat instead, which does everything that you could do using the /dev interface. |
| 22:28.09 | sputnick | what's happen if I do it ? |
| 22:28.24 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: it's likely that no one else besides you will be able to run them. |
| 22:28.51 | dondelelcaro | whereas if you use netcat, almost everyone has netcat installed. |
| 22:28.54 | sputnick | them ? |
| 22:29.01 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: whatever scripts you're writing. |
| 22:29.05 | sputnick | hoh. |
| 22:29.40 | dondelelcaro | (it also means that any machine that you want to run them on will have to have a new version of bash installed) |
| 22:29.43 | sputnick | I give it a try, I wiil see. that's not a production server, just my laptop |
| 22:29.58 | mimcpher | dondelelcaro, "Almost everyone"? I mean, I have netcat because I use it, but is it really that standard a tool? |
| 22:30.13 | sputnick | dondelelcaro: I just want to "play" with this feature, that's all |
| 22:30.26 | dondelelcaro | mimcpher: it's Priority: important in Debian. Pretty unlikely not to have it |
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| 22:31.06 | mimcpher | A quick poll of my systems indicate its present on about 50% of them. The ones that it isn't aren't generally used interactively either. |
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| 22:31.47 | dondelelcaro | mimcpher: oh, you definetly don't have to have it, since it's not Priority: required, Essential: yes, but it's one of those things which is on most systems. |
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| 22:39.48 | adam____ | hey, how to update system clock? mine says i'm in 2005 |
| 22:39.53 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 22:39.54 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 22:43.38 | klebezettel | hello, If I try to install xserver-xorg, I get: server-xorg: Depends: xserver-common (>= 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6~bpo.4) but 4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge7 is to be installed |
| 22:43.44 | klebezettel | any hint? |
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| 22:44.47 | ericrw | debootstrap seems to be ignoring my --exclude=console-setup argument. Do I need to also add -no-resolve-deps ? |
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| 22:44.59 | arooni-mobile | hey team! i cant run fdisk -l |
| 22:45.05 | azeem | ericrw: maybe, but why are you doing this? |
| 22:45.09 | arooni-mobile | on debian etch; what am i doing wrong (it runs, but nothing outputs) |
| 22:45.29 | ericrw | azeem: because console-setup freezes/hangs on configure |
| 22:45.35 | ericrw | (and it isn't needed on my system) |
| 22:45.44 | azeem | ericrw: which version of Debian? |
| 22:46.21 | mimcpher | klebezettel, try "apt-get update" first? Something seems to be broken on your system. |
| 22:46.24 | ericrw | azeem: debootstrap is from testing/unstable... I'm using debootstrap to install an Ubuntu chroot |
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| 22:46.37 | azeem | ericrw: then maybe try --variant=minimal or os |
| 22:46.39 | azeem | so* |
| 22:46.41 | ericrw | (the console-setup is thus from ubuntu) |
| 22:47.06 | azeem | ericrw: why do you need a ubuntu chroot? |
| 22:47.17 | ericrw | azeem: this is part of my virtual-machine creation tool |
| 22:47.25 | azeem | ok |
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| 22:47.59 | ericrw | (its very generic, it installs debian, ubuntu, redhat, etc into mounted filesystems that are used by the virtual servers) |
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| 22:48.46 | ericrw | azeem: I thought --variant only took buildd or fakechroot as arguments? |
| 22:48.55 | JDigital | can non-root user create symlinks? |
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| 22:49.08 | mimcpher | yes JDigital |
| 22:49.09 | ericrw | JDigital: yes, but only where that user is allowed to create files ;-) |
| 22:49.12 | moos3 | is there a way around this INFO: using unsupported version '/usr/bin/python2.5' |
| 22:49.22 | JDigital | Can they symlink to directories they can't access |
| 22:49.29 | ericrw | JDigital: yes |
| 22:49.32 | azeem | ericrw: not in unstable |
| 22:49.36 | azeem | and maybe testing |
| 22:49.40 | mimcpher | yes JDigital but they wouldn't be of much use, since the user still couldn't access them |
| 22:49.50 | ericrw | azeem: testing/unstable is currently the same version |
| 22:50.01 | azeem | so both |
| 22:50.07 | JDigital | What if they can't read it but apache can |
| 22:50.18 | adam____ | where can i find the system log? |
| 22:50.39 | JDigital | say the sticky bit is set so that all files created are group www-data |
| 22:50.43 | JDigital | so apache can access |
| 22:50.43 | unop | adam____, /var/log/* |
| 22:50.47 | mimcpher | adam____, various logs are in /var/log. /var/log/messages is probably interesting. Also, run "dmesg". |
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| 22:51.45 | JDigital | Does a symlink have a group |
| 22:51.54 | vyrus001 | anybody got a good howto on how to install debian on a headless system? |
| 22:51.57 | JDigital | or does it take the group of whatever it symlinks to |
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| 22:52.22 | Germanaz0 | hi all |
| 22:52.27 | Germanaz0 | I have serious problem on debian :S |
| 22:52.37 | Germanaz0 | someone can help me ? :S |
| 22:53.08 | mimcpher | Don't ask to ask, just ask Germanaz0 |
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| 22:53.15 | Bushmills | no need tp .. you can get it for free |
| 22:53.27 | adam____ | mimcpher: well, ndiswrapper says i should see a message from it in the system log... so i figure it is syslog |
| 22:53.31 | ericrw_ | sorry, its hard to stay on a wifi AP in the middle of the ocean :P |
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| 22:53.42 | mimcpher | adam____, run the command dmesg |
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| 22:53.48 | Germanaz0 | ok mimcpher |
| 22:53.49 | Germanaz0 | is about |
| 22:53.53 | Germanaz0 | the repository |
| 22:54.02 | Germanaz0 | I can't find some repository for install amsn |
| 22:54.22 | Germanaz0 | I have the unnoficial debian repository but there are not the AMSN :S |
| 22:54.36 | Bushmills | amsn - An MSN messenger written in Tcl |
| 22:54.37 | Bushmills | ? |
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| 22:55.04 | Germanaz0 | yeh |
| 22:55.13 | Germanaz0 | cuz I don't like the gaim :S |
| 22:55.16 | mimcpher | Germanaz0, that program is included in the main debian repositories |
| 22:55.34 | Germanaz0 | ah cuz my sinaptyc don't find it :S |
| 22:55.50 | Germanaz0 | what is the debian repository ? |
| 22:55.52 | Germanaz0 | for add it |
| 22:55.53 | Bushmills | Germanaz0: what does cat /etc/debian_version show? |
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| 22:56.11 | Germanaz0 | 4.0 |
| 22:56.13 | Germanaz0 | etch |
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| 22:57.11 | meandrain | hello. I have a router with 2500 rules in iptable, and i have 80% cpu usage, on one core and 1-2% on the other core. Any idea if i could do something to equaly load both cores? I am using the machine only for routing |
| 22:57.22 | pottytheshitter | is debian a rolling dist? |
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| 22:57.40 | Bushmills | Germanaz0: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=amsn&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=captaincaveman |
| 22:57.51 | Bushmills | oops a bit too much |
| 22:57.54 | Germanaz0 | ok reading |
| 22:57.57 | Germanaz0 | and another problem :S |
| 22:58.19 | Bushmills | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=amsn&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
| 22:58.29 | Germanaz0 | is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 22:58.29 | Germanaz0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:59.15 | Gun_Smoke | haha |
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| 22:59.40 | Gun_Smoke | is the ban list ever cleared? |
| 22:59.41 | Bushmills | does anyone know what ubuntu shows on cat /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 22:59.57 | Germanaz0 | lol :S I was kicked :S |
| 23:00.00 | Germanaz0 | sorry for the spam |
| 23:00.12 | unop | Bushmills, because every 6 months or so, a merge happens between debian and ubuntu |
| 23:00.13 | ericrw_ | Bushmills: 4.0 |
| 23:00.19 | ericrw_ | (at least on feisty) |
| 23:00.23 | Gun_Smoke | Bushmills: Lenny/Sid |
| 23:00.27 | unop | Bushmills, ohh, my bad sorry :) |
| 23:00.28 | mo1991 | can someone help me with my pcmcia wifi cards? I have two different cards both prism2 chips, used to used hostap driver with older kernels but this is not included with debian etch or lenny. Can anyone tell me what drivers I should be using with modern debian install for these pcmcia prism 2 chips? |
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| 23:01.04 | ericrw_ | Germanaz0: man sudoers |
| 23:01.09 | azeem | Germanaz0: setup /etc/sudoers appropriately |
| 23:01.09 | Gun_Smoke | Germanaz0: Edit the sudoers file to include the user. man sudoers |
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| 23:01.16 | Bushmills | Germanaz0: what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 23:01.20 | ericrw_ | 'visudo' :P |
| 23:01.22 | adam____ | anyone know why my wireless card would show up as eth1? |
| 23:01.23 | Germanaz0 | ok |
| 23:01.32 | Germanaz0 | Bushmills: I will tell u |
| 23:01.34 | Gun_Smoke | I hate visudo |
| 23:01.43 | mimcpher | Whyso Gun_Smoke? |
| 23:01.43 | dondelelcaro | Gun_Smoke: why? |
| 23:01.54 | dondelelcaro | Gun_Smoke: you always should use visudo |
| 23:01.55 | ericrw_ | Gun_Smoke: VISUAL='emacs' visudo, if you wish |
| 23:02.02 | Gun_Smoke | was my first go a vi and I did nothing but MESS UP |
| 23:02.08 | Gun_Smoke | used to vim |
| 23:02.19 | ericrw_ | Gun_Smoke: VISUAL='vim' visudo.... |
| 23:02.23 | Germanaz0 | Bushmills: that |
| 23:02.25 | Germanaz0 | p://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 23:02.25 | Germanaz0 | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 23:02.25 | Germanaz0 | #Unofficial :D |
| 23:02.26 | Germanaz0 | deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free restricted |
| 23:02.26 | Germanaz0 | deb-src http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free restricted |
| 23:02.26 | Germanaz0 | #paketes multimedia |
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| 23:02.31 | Gun_Smoke | buh bye |
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| 23:02.33 | ericrw_ | haha |
| 23:02.38 | Germanaz0 | -.- why the kicks :S |
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| 23:02.44 | Gun_Smoke | pastebin |
| 23:02.45 | dondelelcaro | Germanaz0: read /topic and don't paste here. |
| 23:02.48 | ericrw_ | Germanaz0: use the paster bot... or pasebin.ca, etc |
| 23:02.58 | Germanaz0 | oke |
| 23:03.20 | omar | anyone know of any apps that are similar to bginfo from sysinternals for linux? |
| 23:03.33 | cloakable | bginfo? |
| 23:03.53 | mimcpher | omar, look up conky |
| 23:03.55 | unop | omar, osd-cat/xosd i think |
| 23:04.06 | Gun_Smoke | dondelelcaro: I believe you must use visudo only to edit that.. Which is why i learned myself over a long long 15 min.. gerrrrrr :) |
| 23:04.11 | unop | adam____, there's nothing wrong with it .. your wireless NIC probably supports ethernet, so it's only fair. if you are asking how it can be changed, it should be possible by passing an argument to the kernel module - just how depends on the module, refer to it's documentation |
| 23:04.12 | omar | http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897557.aspx |
| 23:04.26 | dondelelcaro | Gun_Smoke: you don't *have* to, but you should. |
| 23:04.30 | Germanaz0 | Bb |
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| 23:04.34 | Gun_Smoke | noted* |
| 23:04.36 | Germanaz0 | Bushmills: |
| 23:04.44 | Gun_Smoke | dondelelcaro: ^ |
| 23:05.00 | Bushmills | you don;t seem to have a line for "normal" debian packages |
| 23:05.01 | omar | thanks mimcpher and unop |
| 23:05.05 | Tramp | meandrain: 2500 iptables rules (mainly in one chain, I presume) is an awful lot. If you cannot reduce the number of rules (which you should, because this amount of rules cannot be audited/controlled anyways) you should reorganize them at least |
| 23:05.14 | Bushmills | the unofficial seem to be just multimedia stuff |
| 23:05.28 | Gun_Smoke | I only broke like 10 pencils.. It wasn't that bad. |
| 23:05.41 | mimcpher | Gun_Smoke, you said you're used to vim yet you couldn't use vi? I mean, vi has most features of vim except for some advanced stuff, so you shouldn't have had issues just editing a simple text file. |
| 23:06.12 | ericrw_ | omar: there is root-tail that does that (its very old school though) |
| 23:06.15 | ericrw_ | http://www.goof.com/pcg/marc/images/root-tail.jpg |
| 23:06.38 | Gun_Smoke | mimcpher: I was moving along in the file that was driving me nuts.. I forget exactly.. It was a long time ago. Once I added myself I haven't had to go back to it. |
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| 23:06.50 | unop | omar, http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=osd_cat&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 23:06.50 | ericrw_ | (you can run top, or similar console-based monitoring tools on your desktop) |
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| 23:07.31 | ericrw_ | omar: also, take note of gdesklets and similar that provide 'widgets' |
| 23:07.32 | Gun_Smoke | mimcpher: I don't know, maybe I was just a moron that day.. |
| 23:07.44 | mimcpher | Gun_Smoke, Oh, I'm not sure if arrow keys work right in vi |
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| 23:07.57 | Gun_Smoke | mimcpher: No they don't.. I remember that. |
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| 23:08.13 | mimcpher | Gun_Smoke, hjkl ftw :-p |
| 23:08.20 | Gun_Smoke | sounds right |
| 23:08.23 | ericrw_ | Gun_Smoke: they work find... hjkl |
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| 23:08.26 | ericrw_ | *fine |
| 23:08.35 | ericrw_ | (people use the arrow keys with arrows?) |
| 23:08.47 | Gun_Smoke | hehe... how about that. |
| 23:08.55 | omar | thanks all |
| 23:09.51 | adam____ | anyone know how to get iwconfig to scan for accesspoiints? |
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| 23:10.11 | ericrw_ | iwlist scanning |
| 23:10.16 | ericrw_ | er.. iwlist wlan0 scanning |
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| 23:10.33 | cloakable | iwlist scan |
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| 23:10.43 | Gun_Smoke | Oh, I know what I was going to ask.. Anyone use an oscilloscope? I just want to see what the soundcard is playing.. I'm listening to a scanner feed. |
| 23:11.37 | Gun_Smoke | xoscope looks a little plain, but I guess it would do the job. |
| 23:12.17 | adam____ | hmmm i guess my card is all messed up. it says eth1 is my wireless card instead of wlan0 but when i try to scan, it says eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device |
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| 23:14.11 | mbent | hi, i was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction to a article or tutorial about having 2 external network interfaces connected to the internet and 1 internal interface and routing particular types of packets/destined port numbers over one interface and the other types of packets/destined port numbers over the other |
| 23:14.32 | mbent | 1 internal lan network interface ** |
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| 23:18.31 | Tramp | !split access |
| 23:18.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, split access is when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 23:18.51 | Tramp | mbent: ^^ maybe this keeps you starting |
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| 23:19.46 | NekoKun | how do I add a new command to the system? |
| 23:20.09 | mbent | thank you Tramp :-) |
| 23:21.00 | azeem | NekoKun: run the package manager |
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| 23:22.18 | Decepticon | is there something i can to "tag" files (multiple times) like google desktop search on windows, and be able to search those tags? |
| 23:22.21 | Bushmills | NekoKun: echo -e "#/bin/sh\necho hello" >hello ; chmod +x hello |
| 23:22.23 | NekoKun | I've got eclipse, fro a ip, now I want a comand line calling it |
| 23:22.43 | Bushmills | adds the command "hello" , executed by ./hello |
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| 23:24.31 | poseidon | I can't seem to get kde working. It says kdm is alreayd running and when I try to start kde it enters a loop of saying it can't connect to xorg. I tried startx and I posted it's log here -> http://pastebin.com/m5b801976 |
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| 23:25.08 | poseidon | It says I have the newest version of kde, kdm, and Xorg |
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| 23:26.32 | Bushmills | poseidon: when kdm runs, you should see a graphical login screen |
| 23:27.19 | poseidon | Bushmills, I log in via terminal, and stay in the terminal |
| 23:27.50 | Bushmills | so what do you expect to see on the terminal? |
| 23:27.57 | poseidon | Should I boot into kde from a fresh install of debian (with kde)? |
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| 23:28.18 | poseidon | Bushmills, A way to get into kde (or the graphical interface) |
| 23:28.43 | Bushmills | what terminal? |
| 23:29.11 | NekoKun | Bushmills: I ment to add to the system... I tried a link to the bin file, but didn't work |
| 23:29.34 | Bushmills | i have no idea what you are using to try to login and what you try to do at all |
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| 23:30.00 | Bushmills | i know that you try to login from a terminal and can't see a graphical login |
| 23:31.15 | Bushmills | does that terminal support X? i.e. runs an X server? |
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| 23:31.21 | NekoKun | poseidon: is kdm active/installed? |
| 23:31.25 | NekoKun | type startx |
| 23:31.30 | donald_duck | wat do these mean? |
| 23:31.31 | donald_duck | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.31 | donald_duck | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.31 | donald_duck | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.31 | donald_duck | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:32.11 | poseidon | NekoKun, yes. And I posted the error I get when I type startx |
| 23:32.15 | Bushmills | donald_duck: the numbers mean how many of each you got |
| 23:32.32 | donald_duck | wat are sockets? |
| 23:32.33 | poseidon | http://pastebin.com/m5b801976 |
| 23:33.08 | azeem | donald_duck: Unix stuff |
| 23:33.11 | Bushmills | sort of .. communication end points |
| 23:33.16 | poseidon | donald_duck, there what programs use for connecting to the internet/between other programs |
| 23:33.33 | azeem | donald_duck: do you have a Debian question? |
| 23:33.39 | donald_duck | that was it |
| 23:34.15 | poseidon | NekoKun, thats the log file actually, I don't see any errors until the very end of the log file. It's the Xorg.0.log |
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| 23:38.32 | Ante | how to make install wireless card drivers with netinst cd... there is no installed make command... |
| 23:39.55 | NekoKun | poseidon: I've got it... |
| 23:40.33 | NekoKun | try to log as root, chown everything to your user, specially .* files in your user home |
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| 23:42.11 | NickPresta | When I install python from the repos, does it place itself at /usr/bin/python or does it do something like /usr/bin/python2.5 and then symlinks /usr/bin/python to the version I'm using? |
| 23:42.53 | azeem | NickPresta: there's the python2.5 and the python package |
| 23:43.06 | azeem | one does the one thing, the other does the other |
| 23:43.59 | NickPresta | azeem, ah okay. Thanks. I guess I missed it. |
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| 23:45.08 | Decepticon | checking for PACKAGE... configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.4.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.4.0, sqlite >= 2.8) were not met. ####### what package is glib-2.0 and gobject-2.0 ? (i can find sqlite) |
| 23:45.52 | NickPresta | Decepticon, if you're compiling something from source, make sure you have the -dev packages |
| 23:46.20 | Decepticon | will do. but i dont know what packages are "glib-2.0" and "gobject-2.0" there are too many results from apt-cache search |
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| 23:47.40 | Wyzard | Decepticon: libglib2.0-dev includes both of those, I believe |
| 23:47.45 | NickPresta | Decepticon, you could try: libglib2.0-dev, and libgee-dev |
| 23:47.52 | NickPresta | yeah. Wyzard beat me to it :P |
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| 23:48.04 | Decepticon | will do, i will give that a huge whirl |
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| 23:48.16 | Wyzard | libgee-dev is not something you need |
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| 23:48.32 | NickPresta | oh. sorry about that then |
| 23:48.42 | curtmack | just checking in, the thermal solution did the trick, computer boots fine now, thanks everyone |
| 23:48.53 | Decepticon | Wyzard, it seems like i already have libglib2.0-dev |
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| 23:49.38 | curtmack | (@ jamon, Tramp, and anyone else who was helping me yesterday) |
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| 23:50.05 | Wyzard | Decepticon: What does "pkg-config --cflags glib-2.0" say? |
| 23:50.29 | Decepticon | Wyzard, it gives me "-I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include" |
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| 23:50.44 | Wyzard | Decepticon: then you shouldn't be getting errors about not having glib-2.0 |
| 23:50.49 | Tramp | curtmack: oh. So you didn't fry your processor 8) |
| 23:50.52 | Decepticon | wierd and bazzarre! |
| 23:50.56 | Wyzard | Decepticon: unless it's older than the required version of 2.4, but that's unlikely |
| 23:50.58 | Decepticon | *bizzarre! |
| 23:51.27 | Wyzard | Decepticon: pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0 |
| 23:51.31 | vjoe | bye |
| 23:51.46 | Decepticon | Wyzard, uh oh: 2.12.4 |
| 23:51.56 | Wyzard | That should be fine |
| 23:52.17 | Decepticon | it wont matter that "Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.4.0" |
| 23:52.19 | Decepticon | ? |
| 23:52.28 | Wyzard | Decepticon: 2.12.4 is newer than 2.4.0 |
| 23:52.34 | Decepticon | ah! |
| 23:52.37 | Wyzard | twelve is more than four |
| 23:52.40 | Decepticon | i assumed falsely |
| 23:53.02 | Wyzard | yeah, they don't work like ordinary decimal numbers (2.4 is not the same as 2.40) |
| 23:53.15 | Decepticon | hm |
| 23:53.25 | Wyzard | so you shouldn't have any problem with glib-2.0 |
| 23:53.26 | Decepticon | so im assuming twhat im compiling is broken to some degree? |
| 23:53.27 | curtmack | that confused me at first |
| 23:53.41 | Wyzard | and gobject-2.0 is part of the glib package so you should have that too |
| 23:53.46 | curtmack | like "why is Catalyst 7.12 newer than 7.8?" |
| 23:54.08 | Wyzard | but the error message just says the package requirements weren't met, and lists the requirements, so maybe it's just sqlite that you don't have |
| 23:54.09 | Bushmills | maybe because 12 > 8 ? |
| 23:54.10 | Decepticon | curtmack, i know i think it should at least have a 0 in there: 7.08 |
| 23:54.24 | Decepticon | Wyzard that may be the case |
| 23:54.32 | Decepticon | Wyzard i have just gotten sqlite, i will try again, thanks a bunch |
| 23:54.52 | Ante | how to make install wireless card drivers with netinst cd... there is no installed make command... |
| 23:55.13 | Wyzard | Ante: I don't think you can compile stuff from the installation CD |
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| 23:55.30 | curtmack | Decepticon: the reason they don't do that is because they don't know how many subversions they're make before they update the main version |
| 23:56.04 | Wyzard | 7.08 and 7.12 would be OK, but what about when you get past 7.99 and go to 7.100? |
| 23:56.17 | Decepticon | ah, yeah that makes sense |
| 23:56.48 | Decepticon | well they could preempt this and have a astronomically large version number i suppose haha |
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| 23:58.17 | Wyzard | Then you get unusual versioning schemes like Ubuntu's: 8.04 means 2008/04 |
| 23:58.33 | Wyzard | and Emacs (I've read that "Emacs 21" is actually Emacs 0.21...) |
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| 23:59.52 | Decepticon | Wyzard well ive apt-get'd sqlite and ran the configure script again and i receive the same error message! |
