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00:00.08Decepticonthere is something borked here isnt there
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00:01.03efaistoswhats the best way to configure fakeroot
00:01.03Wyzardsqlite?  Or libsqlite0-dev?
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00:02.09efaistosI have fakeroot-sysv and fakeroot-tcp ... tried to do an update-alternatives --config fakeroot
00:02.19Decepticonah maybe i should apt-get libsqlite0-dev then
00:02.25efaistosgot two options but still no fakeroot
00:02.45WyzardFor compiling things, you need dev packages
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00:03.05Wyzardlibrary packages (e.g. libfoo0) contain compiled libraries for running already-compiled programs
00:03.14efaistosi know that ...
00:03.19Wyzarddevelopment packages (e.g. libfoo0-dev) contain headers for compiling new programs against the library
00:03.33efaistosI just want to know wwhy this f. fakeroot doesnt work
00:03.41Wyzardefaistos: I'm talking to Decepticon
00:03.59efaistosooops
00:04.00Decepticonheh
00:04.00efaistossorry
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00:06.46DecepticonWyzard, apt-getting libsqlite0-dev did the trick
00:06.53Decepticonthanks
00:07.02Wyzardnp
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00:10.50omarmimcpher, do you use conky?
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00:24.49MosiDoes anyone here use a debian Live USB install? Or does anyone know where I might be able to find some images for such a thing?
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00:26.44MosiDoes anyone here use a Live USB Debian install?
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00:26.48jamonMosi: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB
00:26.54Mosithanks jamon
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00:30.00JDigitalIs there a debian package for suphp?
00:30.41jamonlibapache2-mod-suphp?
00:30.48JDigitalspiff
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00:32.09sandmanIs there a fairly easy way to convert MPEGs/AVI/DivX files to a DVD watch-able on a standard DVD player?
00:32.22Matic`MakovecWhy exactly was update-moduls deprecated? :o
00:32.41meffsandman: lookup a prog called tovid
00:32.55jamonsandman: never tried, i think k3b has video burning included though
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00:33.52jbergim going to download a lenny cd image, but there is like 30 images. is there an image with just the base system so i can download what i need later?
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00:34.29El_Guillermoi think you're looking for the net installer
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00:35.02jamonjberg: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#smallcd
00:35.09El_Guillermothat's the one
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00:35.30jamonthose are etch
00:35.48jbergthanks
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00:36.30jberghm yes
00:36.36jbergno netinst for testing?
00:36.50jbergah no found it
00:37.08jamonyeah, just have to poke around the mirrors
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00:40.28JDigitalWhat do I need to know about suphp
00:40.32peppesandman: yes, look for encode2mpeg, is (maybe) the simplest solution
00:40.43JDigitalusing apache2 and uh debian etch
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00:41.24JDigitalwelp
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00:43.05jamonJDigital: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PrivilegeSeparation and check the docs in the package?
00:43.22jamontake particular note of the "Using Unix permissions for privilege separation" portion of that page
00:43.40JDigitalread this
00:43.48jamoni really think you need a clear idea of what threats you're trying to mitigate against before coming up with a technical solution
00:44.04xilunhi
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00:44.45JDigitalUsers having the ability to read each others' content, either directly or via apache
00:45.19jamonthen agani, I think others have mentioned that using filesystem permissions and proper users and groups should be sufficient
00:45.21xilunis there a package in Etch to install to be able to build LKM with just the Linux buildsys ? (i'm doing development and don't want to use m-a at this stage)
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00:46.21JDigitaljamon: Not if Apache will run a PHP script joe writes to read ben's files
00:46.32dondelelcaroxilun: uh... why not? If you're building modules which have source packages in etch, that's how you'd do it.
00:46.40JDigitalapache must have access to both joe and ben's files to host their sites
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00:47.16dcnoyewhat is the syntax to reinstall a package ?
00:47.18jbergbtw, if im going to run a software raid, is that something i set up after the installation or in the installation?
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00:47.30dondelelcaroJDigital: so use suexec to launch php5-cgi with libfcgi or similar
00:47.36jamonJDigital: that's what a documentroot directive in a vhost helps with
00:47.37dondelelcarojberg: during installation
00:47.42dondelelcaro!tell jberg -about ig
00:47.56dondelelcarojamon: and no, it doesn't.
00:48.00lastnodeJDigital: jared digital?
00:48.09JDigitallastnode: man I always get confused with that guy :(
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00:48.18JDigitalI'm jonny digital
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00:48.24xilundondelelcaro: it does not have a source package in etch, indeed i'm writing it right now (the module, not the debian source package)
00:48.27JDigitalyou may have read my exciting Dungeons & Dragons blog ;)
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00:48.30lastnodeJDigital: :)
00:48.56dondelelcaroxilun: then install the appropriate linux-headers and linux-kbuild packages, and build with the right KSRC= option, et al.
00:49.04jbergdansushi: ok
00:49.16dondelelcaroxilun: m-a a-i prepare; will set all of that up for you if you're lazy.
00:49.24xilundondelelcaro: thanks
00:49.26CutMeOwnThroatis there a program, that can see how much (mostly UDP) traffic a process causes... say e.g over a month?
00:49.26dondelelcaros/a-i//
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00:50.45NekoKunHi all... please, Ive installed eclipse and to it become a system command Ive added a link to it in usr/bin... but it doesnt work and gives a weird error. what may it be?
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00:51.59JDigitaljamon: I just ran a test and joe's PHP script can read files from ben's homedir
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00:52.34lastnodeNekoKun: how would we know what the weird error is, unless you tell us?
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00:53.30NekoKunas if it couldn't find it's files
00:53.51lastnodeNekoKun: we need the exact error.
00:54.13JDigitalIs there a directive to forbid apache from accessing files outside of documentroot?
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00:55.00lastnodeJDigital: er usually, if apache is running as a user, it wont eb able to
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00:55.47NekoKun"The eclipse executable launcher was unable to locate its companion shared library."
00:55.57jamonopen_basedir for php, doesn't help with say mod_python of course
00:56.27lastnodeNekoKun: ok. did you install eclipse from teh repos, or did you get the source/binary yourself? did youf llow a hwoto?
00:56.40JDigitallastnode: apache runs as www-data, not as the user whose file it is
00:56.57lastnodeJDigital: then that user needs to have the proper privileges set on his fils
00:57.03lastnode*files
00:57.14lastnodestill though, apache should not be able to access outsie DOcuemtnRoot
00:57.24lastnode*DocumentRoot
00:57.41NekoKunI downloaded it, moved to /opt and used ln dir eclipse
00:58.11JDigitallastnode: Does that include PHP?
00:58.23lastnodeJDigital: as in?
00:58.44lastnodeNekoKun: you should look for a howto mate. ive never installed eclipe
00:58.45JDigitalas in if DocumentRoot is /home/joe/public_html/ can a PHP script access /home/joe/
00:58.47JDigitalor /home/
00:59.19JDigitalor rather should it be able to (it does here)
00:59.34jamontry open_basedir JDigital
00:59.36lastnodeJDigital: if apache cannot access it, php wont be able to, afaik
00:59.43lastnodeJDigital: try #apache
00:59.46jamonis this just php you're working with?
00:59.47JDigitalok
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01:00.01poseidonHow do I get dualscreens?
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01:00.36lastnode!dualhead
01:00.36dpkgrumour has it, dualhead is not a pr0n term, or see <xinerama>
01:00.47lastnodeposeidon: /msg dpkg xinerama
01:00.57poseidonI have an nvidia gforce 8500gt.  Is there a open source package for it?
01:01.03poseidonk
01:01.17JDigitaljamon: Aha, that looks like a good idea
01:01.51lastnode!nvidia
01:01.51dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder.
01:03.30JDigitaljamon: now I just need to work out how to set that :)
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01:06.13JDigitaljamon: do I need safe mode for this
01:06.53CutMeOwnThroatis there a program, that can see how much (mostly UDP) traffic a process causes... say e.g over a month?
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01:14.14jamonJDigital: can't hurt, i don't think you need safemode on though
01:14.21JDigitalok
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01:14.31jamonlikely well documented on php.net
01:14.31JDigitalyup reading there now
01:14.31JDigitalnice it works :D
01:14.31jamonfor php only
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01:15.44JDigitalSo that's PHP locked to one dir
01:16.02poseidonWhen the X config file is being refered to that would be /etc/X11/xorg.conf correct?
01:16.13JDigitaland .shtml isn't allowed
01:16.14nevyncorrect
01:16.19poseidonThanks
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01:16.44nevynposeidon: you still having problems with getting X going?
01:16.52JDigitalAny other security things I need to take care of?
01:16.54JDigitalaside from mod_python
01:17.07JDigitalsymlinks maybe
01:17.17CutMeOwnThroatpft, netsplit?
01:17.20poseidonnevyn, no I have kde working fine now.  I'm setting up the nvdia driver so I can get dual-screens :)
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01:18.32poseidonnevyn, I'm glad I had the problems, as it forced me to get a lot more confortable witht he command line since I had no GUI what-so-ever
01:18.55nevynposeidon: ok.
01:19.08titiihey friends, how to found out the right interpreter??? I need to run the PHP script from shell, and it wrotes>  /usr/bin/php: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
01:19.23nevyntitii: try "which php"
01:19.53\amethysttitii:  you need to install php5-cli
01:20.02\amethysttitii:  (assuming you want php5 and not 4)
01:20.13titii\amethyst yea 5
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01:20.39titii\amethyst ok installing ,, whats next?
01:20.54\amethysttitii:  depending on what the script is, it might need some libraries
01:21.34\amethysttitii:  php5-imagick, php5-mysql, php5-imap, etc.  Depends on the script and what it does
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01:22.31titii\amethyst ok thanks, i can continue .. thanks friend!!!
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01:36.48Tramphunterp: you actually want to use gssapi-services? Never seen them used in real life
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01:37.22poseidonWhen I log in as my user account and try to use sudo it says I'm not a proper sudoer
01:38.11poseidonWhen I try to log in a root, it says root log in is not allowed.  How do I change these two things?
01:38.29Dewiposeidon: use 'su' to get to root, and then 'visudo' to add sudoers
01:39.28poseidonDewi, login as su, or su apt-get?
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01:41.48Dewiposeidon: well it sounds like you have the packages installed already
01:42.13Dewiposeidon: but if root ssh is disabled, and you're not a sudoer, you can 'su' to become root with the root p[/w
01:42.22Dewiposeidon: and from there set up sudo
01:42.43poseidonDewi, How do I set up sudo?
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01:45.01naivwhat must be in /etc/hostname , mymachine ? mydomain ? mydomain.com ? mymachine.mydomain.com ?
01:45.42NickPrestaWhat is the best way to get my multimedia keys (Volume Up/Down) to work on my keyboard?
01:46.14nevynnever done it but the hotkeys package might help
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01:47.07LEDOhm Listens to:  [ MINI-ma-L-drid ] >>>> http://84.76.138.117:8000 <<<< [Minimal-Techno & Tech-House Radio] - stream - mp3 - 128kbps - stereo
01:47.15dondelelcaroLEDOhm: turn whatever that off, please.
01:47.21angrylogicnaiv: /etc/hostname should just have your machine name (the name of your host)
01:47.43Dewiposeidon: edit /etc/sudoers with visudo
01:47.47naivok ok
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01:48.19poseidonDewi, lol thanks
01:48.42poseidonI'm so glad I got debian installed today :)
01:49.40dondelelcaronp
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01:52.45billy12in screen, it says i have 2 screens 18200.pts-3.p3 and 4575.pts-0.p3, how do i get to them
01:53.31CutMeOwnThroatyou mean turn off the music? yeah, I agree techno's bad for him ;)
01:54.02CutMeOwnThroatuh, I called techno "music"... bad slip
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01:54.25nevynNickPresta: ok I've done it now with the hotkeys package. it's not fantastic but it works.
01:55.21KlienmahnHow does the Nv driver compare to the Nvidia driver?
01:55.36nevynit's free software where the nvidia driver is proprietary.
01:55.50nevynit == the nv driver
01:56.01LEDOhm Listens to:  [ MINI-ma-L-drid ] >>>> http://84.76.138.117:8000 <<<< [Minimal-Techno & Tech-House Radio] - stream - mp3 - 128kbps - stereo
01:56.25liableLEDOhm: turn that off please.
01:56.30nevynLEDOhm: that's gotta go.
01:56.37NickPrestanevyn, my keyboard doesn't appear to be supported with hotkeys
01:56.49angrylogicbilly12: you can pass screen which session to restore by the pid of the session. in your case this would be "screen -r 18200" or "screen -r 4575"
01:56.59NickPrestanevyn, I know how to set up what I want via Input Actions and a dcop call, but the actual volume up button isnt being recognized
01:57.03billy12thank you
01:57.11nevynNickPresta: so map it using khotkeys
01:57.12KlienmahnI know that, that is why I uninstalled nvidia-glx and installed nv, I'm just wondering about proformance and stuff like that.
01:57.14billy12i dont know how i got 2
01:57.26billy12usaly i just screen -r and im good
01:57.35nevynbleh s/khotkeys/hotkeys
01:58.30angrylogicbilly12: if you detach from one session and then start screen again with -r you'll have two sessions running in the background
01:58.53billy12i understand, but i only use screen for my cs server
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02:00.29billy12screen -r 4575 gives me L There is a screen on 4575.pts-0.ps (Attached) there is no screen to be resumed matching 4575
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02:03.08angrylogicbilly12: then it thinks you have another shell open somewhere that is attached to that screen already.  you can force it to detach there and reattach to your shell with screen -r -d 4575
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02:03.57billy12<angrylogic>thank you
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02:04.28Hinata`Hi ^^
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02:04.45ipfreelyhow do i setup an alias to a bridge ?
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02:05.16dondelelcaroLEDOhm: let an operator know when you've turned that off, and you'll be unsilenced.
02:05.34billy12that explains y my CS server wasnt working, both screens was a a server
02:05.36Hinata`How do I change permission on my /media/sda1/ (wich is a windows partition...) to be able to read/write on it?
02:05.38nevyndondelelcaro: tnx
02:05.50Hinata`^^'
02:05.59billy12y need ntfs-g3
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02:06.12billy12i think its called
02:06.15Hinata`root can read it
02:06.43dondelelcaro!ntfsrw
02:06.43dpkgrumour has it, ntfsrw is available starting with lenny with <ntfs-3g>, or with ntfsmount from ntfsprogs.
02:06.43Hinata`but i cannot do it without "sudo"
02:06.43dondelelcaro!tell Hinata` -about ntfs-3g
02:07.17billy12whats ntfsrw?
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02:08.24Hinata`thanks dondelelcaro I'll check it out ^^
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02:13.22dondelelcarobilly12: ntfs read-write
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02:16.44billy12a better version of ntfs-3g
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02:17.51dondelelcarobilly12: no, it's just the name of the factoid that points at how to do ntfsrw.
02:18.01billy12oo
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02:19.09Xanthor|awany news about bug #429064 (linux-libc-dev: <linux/types.h> conflicts with <sys/ustat.h>) ?
02:19.10dondelelcarodpkg: no, ntfsrw is <reply> If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs
02:19.11dpkgdondelelcaro: okay
02:19.14dondelelcaro!dbugs 429064
02:19.17dpkg#429064:S[linux-libc-dev] linux-libc-dev: <linux/types.h> conflicts with <sys/ustat.h>; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 18:06:06 UTC
02:19.40dondelelcaroXanthor|aw: check the bug log; it has everything about it.
02:20.15Xanthor|awwell, as you can see, nobody seems decided to fix it
02:23.17dondelelcaroXanthor|aw: yes, so that's the current status of the bug
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02:26.31dondelelcarobasically, it needs someone to do a correct patch to fix the problem, and if waldi and/or aurelien disagree, elevate to the tech ctte.
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02:26.49Xanthor|awin fact, my question was : "has somebody discuss about it elsewhere, as it is asked by devs in the bug log ?"
02:27.11Xanthor|awso for the moment, we're waiting for the "elevation" ?
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02:27.50dondelelcaroXanthor|aw: you'd see that bug reassigned to the tech-ctte if that were the case.
02:28.00dondelelcaro(or possibly cloned and reassigned)
02:29.14dondelelcaroXanthor|aw: but since that entire package has gone away, it's possible that the problem no longer exists (or is in a different package now)
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02:31.05CutMeOwnThroatis there a program, that can see how much (mostly UDP) traffic a process causes... say e.g over a month?
02:31.10dondelelcaroerr, nevermind; I'm looking for libc6, not lic
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02:32.25Xanthor|awserious bugs of linux-libc-dev (-> 2.6.25-1) <pending>
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02:32.25Xanthor|awSummary: linux-libc-dev(2 bugs)
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02:34.49lostsonouch just droppped me to a shell
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02:40.20extorI did an "apt-cache search filezilla" in lenny and came up with nothing. That is odd cuz my last install I had it installed.
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02:41.35dondelelcaroextor: it was removed from testing because of #444700 et al.
02:41.55extor444700?
02:42.08dondelelcaro!dbugs 444700
02:42.11dpkgDONE:#444700:G[filezilla] filezilla: crashes right after start; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:30:06 UTC
02:42.35extordidnt crash for me..can I still grab the package?
02:42.47mmlj4what packages do I have to install in order for SSL to work (with apache 2) ?
02:43.35dondelelcarommlj4: none. just a2enmod ssl;
02:43.44dondelelcaro(assuming you've got apache2 installed, anyway)
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02:46.20JDigitalHuh. Should /etc/apache2 and contents be world-readable?
02:46.33dondelelcaroJDigital: sure.
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02:46.46JDigitalBut a PHP script can read off the files
02:46.50dondelelcaroJDigital: so?
02:47.02dondelelcarothere shouldn't be anything in there that it would matter if it was read, anyway.
02:47.29JDigitalAn attacker can tell what modules I've got installed and security options I've got enabled
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02:47.52dondelelcaroJDigital: so?
02:48.05dondelelcaroif an attacker is running a php script on your machine, you're already toast.
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02:48.39JDigitalapache running as www-data should only have so much access
02:48.50mmlj4dondelelcaro: i did the symlink thing, by hand, ssl.conf and ssl.load
02:48.58dondelelcarommlj4: well, you're working too hard.
02:49.05CutMeOwnThroatwell, www-data is a user
02:49.09mmlj4<-- old-school
02:49.35dondelelcaro!laziness
02:49.35dpkgLAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer.
02:49.43mmlj4seriously... i did that, restarted apache, and nmap says it ain't running on port 443]
02:50.08dondelelcarommlj4: uh... you obviously need to have it listen on 443 and have a site which has the ssl engine enabled
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02:52.00CutMeOwnThroatyou could probably make a gateway to a shell in php
02:52.09CutMeOwnThroati.e. a terminal emulator
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02:52.47CutMeOwnThroathehe.. and as I thought, somebody did it http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpterm/
02:55.42mo1991can anyone help me changing my pcmcia socket driver from yenta to i82365.  previously I used to edit the /etc/default/pcmcia file when using the pcmcia_cs drivers, but now with debian testing these pcmcia_cs has been updated to pcmciautils.  Anyone know how to change this with the pcmciautils ?
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03:02.27mo1991new kernels use pcmciautils rather than pcmcia_cs
03:03.08mo1991config files are different - can't seem to figure out how to change the PCIC=i82365 option.  this used to be in the /etc/default/pcmcia file
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03:04.59enigmaahello, i am trying to make my samba server share files with other windows computers on the lan. however, even though i edited the smb.conf, windows doesn't show anything on the network
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03:10.28dondelelcaroenigmaa: are the machines in the same domain? is the samba machine the pdc? [Or the master browser?]
03:10.45dondelelcaroalso, try asking #samba.
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03:15.46j-noiseis there any GNU FDL documents for GNU/Linux basics???
03:15.52j-noisePlease help me
03:16.09dondelelcaroj-noise: info coreutils; for starters
03:16.10j-noiseI have been searching for a long on the net
03:16.25j-noisefor starters
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03:19.54golumnhi guys, do yo know a tool that read text and save it as a media file?
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03:20.21Dewigolumn: like... what?
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03:20.30j-noisedondelelcaro please help me
03:20.48Dewigolumn: you want an mp3 of a computer reading your text file?
03:20.56Dewi(voice)
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03:21.28golumnI have see a application for windows textaloud, something similar to that for linux
03:23.30Dewigolumn: orca in gnome?
03:23.57golumnthanks, will try it right now
03:24.04Dewigolumn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_screen_readers
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03:24.30Dewigolumn: there are lots
03:24.56frazrasi am stuck in a grub prompt and it keeps on saying "Error:21 Selected disk does not exist " when root is (hd0,1)
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03:25.25Dewifrazras: does your first disk have a second partition?
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03:25.47frazrasdewi: no it doesnt
03:25.59Dewifrazras: then that root looks wrong...
03:26.15frazraswhat should it be
03:26.20Dewialthough I could be wrong, I try to stay out of grub
03:26.32Dewifrazras: the root location
03:27.13frazrasits actually a USB drive boot so I am not sure what root would be
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03:29.32aredhelfrankie, get to the grub cmd line and type "root (" followed by a <TAB>,  grub should tell you which disks it knows about.
03:30.38aredhel* frazras, sorry
03:31.32frazrasaredhel: Possible cammands are: root rootnoverify
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03:32.30aredhelfrazras, you need to type a space and a "(" after root, before hitting tab
03:33.28aredhelpossibly "hd" as well.
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03:38.38frazrasok it found an hd1 and fd0, hd1 is an inbuilt flash fat memory, I dont know what fd0 is bcuz i dont have a floppy, but it aint findindind my linux partition
03:38.50frazrasseems like it cant mount it
03:39.00Phil4anyone know what's causing this? http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=1060
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03:41.17frazrasaredhel: any ideas
03:42.56aredhelfrazras, 1) poke at the bios.  2)if you can boot DOS or some thing, you may be able to boot linux from there.
03:44.05frazrasi can boot dos
03:44.31frazrasaredhel: but will dos recognise linux?
03:45.01aredheltake a look at the install guide.  There is a section on how to boot linux from there.
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03:45.42mimcpherfrazras, because dos programs can completely take over the system, an app called loadlin was written that dumps DOS out and loads linux
03:45.44DaemonikWhy would chroot claim no such file or directory when there IS such a file or directory? Is there something here http://pastebin.ca/1003595 I'm missing?
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03:47.02Relentless`Hey, I was wondering why the debian etch netinstall keep freezing and the saying it cant install certian packages. Is there another way I can install debian? I have tried unetbootin and the iso.
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03:50.41golumnthe best speech option I found  is festival
03:51.02golumnbut the problem is that it reads only english, is there an spanish extension
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04:04.42sandmanAlright. X locked up, and so too did my terminals. I cannot Ctrl+Alt+F* to go to the consoles, the screen just freezes up then. All it shows is my X session, which is also frozen.
04:04.47sandmanI can, however, SSH in.
04:04.56sandmanThe system still is working entirely, except for X and the terminals.
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04:11.49enouffrazras: does your bios support usb booting?
04:13.09enoufsandman: see if restarting you dm fixes it
04:13.16enoufyour*
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04:14.07enoufsandman: was it working fine in the past? or are you in the middle of trying to install/use 3rd party 3d drivers?
04:15.49frazrasenouf: yes it does
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04:16.42sandmanenouf: No
04:16.45enouffrazras: and you also have a system disk, in addition to your USB key thingy?
04:16.48sandmanenouf: Nothing was happening at the time.
04:17.07sandmanenouf: How do I restart my DM?
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04:17.42enoufsandman: i think you misunderstood my questions - but /etc/init.d/?dm restart where ? is x|k|g usually
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04:18.22MiescoHow do I get Evolution to read from /var/mail/shawn
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04:19.15sandmanenouf: Ohh, yeah I already did that =(
04:19.17frazras<PROTECTED>
04:19.52sandmanI'd like to note this: My X is frozen. But, if I SSH in, su -c xinit, it brings it out of the "freeze"
04:19.54enouffrazras: puppy how? cd? usb stick?
04:20.00sandmanAnd opens up the X session started by my root user.
04:20.20sandmanThen I can use my mouse and everything. But, if I c-a-backspace out of it, it goes back to being frozen.
04:20.30MiescoOr how do I get Evolution to read from my mbox file
04:20.40enoufc-a-b doesn't cleanly close it down
04:20.49MiescoNothing seems to work
04:20.55enoufand root user isn't a typical user
04:21.28sandmanenouf: I'm aware of that. But at least it works.
04:22.45frazrasenouf: i built the usb from inside the live cd
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04:28.27MiescoWhats the best peripheral maker?
04:28.35MiescoLike keyboards and stuff
04:28.50MiescoMaybe one that doesn't have windows icons...
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04:30.47Lagboltanyone in here running with encrypted drive (something like lvm with root, swap, home).  trying it out on a laptop and works great but s2disk doesnt power down anymore.
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04:31.22Lagbolteverything else functions fine, hold power to shut it off then when power back up loads back up from swap no trouble.
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04:42.10mxhi
04:43.17mxdoe sanyone know ofa  step by step guide to install webmin in a debian dedicated server?
04:43.31mxi am using winscp
04:43.38craigevil!webmin
04:43.38dpkgi heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality.
04:44.44mxin that case, can u recomend a good free cpanel?
04:46.18hardnrglol at the definition of webmin
04:46.26mxharshone
04:46.36mxugh i hate all this..
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04:46.50mxi got a dedciated box, but forot to upgrade with a a cpanel
04:47.02mx3 days and no resposne fromthe provider
04:47.17hardnrgemail them again
04:47.25mxit'd bethe 4 ticket i start
04:47.29mx*4th
04:47.51mxi am trying to BUY something an they arent availabe
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04:51.28hardnrg!plesk
04:51.31hardnrg=(
04:51.37MiescoWhats the best peripheral maker?
04:52.32mxbut plesk isnt free
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04:52.54hardnrgyeah, just wanted to see what dpkg thought of plesk =p
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04:55.36mxsigh
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04:57.25mxhm
04:57.31mx!directadmin
04:57.33mxhehe
04:57.45shellitohi, Im havig "problems" at boot time.. loading service I dont have the configuration for wlan0 interface.. and start to try to configure..  so I have to ctrl + c (or wait), later on (with gnome) I have to "iwlist wlan0 scan, and then dhclient" can someone give a clue about it.
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05:15.29lvlefistohi all, gdb closes when my program crashes
05:16.49lvlefistocan anybody help me?
05:17.00lvlefistoa core file is not being generated
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05:20.06aumhi - how stable has sid been of late - i'm getting tired of ubuntu, with their 6-month release cycles breaking things, and considering switching back to debian
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05:41.21DawnLightis there a list of licenses approved by DFSG?
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05:43.29markybobDawnLight yes.  http://wiki.debian.org/DFSGLicenses
05:43.42lvlefistohi all, gdb closes when my program crashes
05:43.50lvlefistocan anyone help me?
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05:44.36Edgardowebhttp://chiguire.glove.org.ve:8000/satyagraha.mp3.m3u
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05:45.25markybobEdgardoweb please dont spam the channel
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05:48.39Edgardowebmarkybob, what?
05:49.20GuerinEdgardoweb: we don't want to listen to your stupid mp3s
05:49.40markybobEdgardoweb i thought i was rather clear
05:50.05EdgardowebGuerin, ??
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05:50.14Edgardowebhablan portuguez?
05:50.30GuerinEdgardoweb: 17:44:36 < Edgardoweb> http://chiguire.glove.org.ve:8000/satyagraha.mp3.m3u
05:50.44GuerinEdgardoweb: don't fucking paste 'em
05:50.48Guerincapiche?
05:51.38Edgardowebexcuse Guerin
05:51.48Edgardowebspeak portuguez?
05:52.02GuerinEdgardoweb: no. speak english?
05:52.11markybob!pt
05:52.11dpkgPor favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
05:52.13lvlefistoEdgardoweb: as pessoas aqui não quer que você escreva spam no channel
05:52.15Edgardowebso so
05:53.01Edgardowebok Guerin sorry :P
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05:55.34syclewerdan7: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
05:55.51sycleany ideas how to fix? apt-get update doesnt fix like it suggests but errors the same
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06:04.06sandmanCan anyone help me figure out why my system's X session is locked up? There's nothing in /var/log/[messages,kern.log] about it
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06:04.40sandmanAnd I can still run an X session as root, and then I can use my system again (X works, mouse/keyboard works)
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06:05.29sandmanBut if I c-a-F* out of it, it stops working again. Or, if I kill the X session via SSH, it also dies.
06:06.00sandmanI sort of wanted to figure out what made it "break" like this before I rebooted it.
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06:08.58sandmanOkay, I was able to /etc/init.d/gdm restart from root, and it looks like it got my X working again. However, the consoles @ c-a-F[1-6] are still out of commission... when I try to go over to them, the screen just stays looking like it did before (when I was in X, so my desktop is visible and such), but I cannot interact with it (mouse doesn't work, keyboard doesn't work)
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06:11.17sandmanWow... is #debian actually dead? First time in about 8 years I've seen this happen, I think.
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06:11.38Guerinsandman: everyone's at the pub
06:11.47frazrasdebian lives!
06:11.48Ketrelis using "apt-get build-deps" specific to debian based distros or is it part of apt?
06:12.34DawnLightis there a list of licenses approved by DFSG?
06:12.36GuerinKetrel: it's part of apt, but relies upon policy-compliant debian packages to work, which not-debian distros might or might not include
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06:12.49DawnLightoh sorry, i was answered
06:12.56GuerinDawnLight: /lastlog dfsg ; you already asked this fucking question
06:13.07KetrelGuerin: thanks :)
06:13.11sandmanlol
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06:13.20sandmanNow now, Guering... be nice to the poor boy.
06:13.27jdavisI'm having a bizarre problem... after updating a lot of packages now my numeric keypad doesn't work. I can turn numlock on/off and it doesn't matter. It works fine in a virtual terminal, but not X.
06:13.35DawnLightfucking shmucking
06:13.48sandmanjdavis: How's your keyboard defined in xorg.conf
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06:13.57HarisHello people
06:14.13maxt3rey
06:14.18HarisI'm getting this build error for kernel 2.6.9 on etch r3 -> http://pastebin.ca/1003655 <- Need insight into this
06:14.28markybob2.6.9?  really?  dude
06:14.37GuerinHaris: what markybob said
06:14.49Haristhis is from vanilla source
06:14.52Harisas you call it
06:15.13jdavissandman: http://rafb.net/p/QYDcNp97.html
06:15.24Harismarkybob: ys
06:15.26Harismarkybob: yes
06:15.59Harishow can I get around this error?
06:16.13markybobHaris is you're compiling 'vanilla', as you say, dont you think you should use the latest stable?
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06:16.56Harismarkybob: No, they have problems with ip_conntrack, tcp connection failures, that haven't been addressed yet.
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06:17.12markybobblinks
06:17.16Harismarkybob: I'm building the latest stable kernel which doesn't have these problems
06:17.18Harisat least on my box
06:17.27markybobyou're on crack
06:17.31Harismaybe
06:17.37Harishow can I get around these build errors?
06:17.38markybobnot maybe, definitely.
06:17.45GuerinHaris: my advice is to work around the problems on the basis that a 2.6.9 kernel is likely to be incredibly insecure
06:18.09GuerinHaris: use a contemporary GCC - I bet you're using a current one, not one which was current when that code was writte
06:18.23HarisGuerin: makes sense
06:18.27HarisHow can I get an old one?
06:18.38GuerinHaris: snapshot.debian.net
06:18.39streunereven in sid is 4.1 - 4.3
06:18.48Guerinbut again: what you're doing is stupid
06:18.51Harisah, damn, my sources.list
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06:19.10Harisforgot to save it
06:19.37jdavissandman: it's a pretty normal keyboard setup, nothing fancy, did the config give you any hints?
06:19.50Harisdeb-src http://snapshot.debian.org/debian etch/stable main contrib non-free ?
06:19.56streunerHaris: what does 'gcc --version' say?
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06:20.16Haris# gcc --version
06:20.16Harisgcc (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)
06:20.53streuner!info gcc stable
06:21.04HarisWhen I talked with a kernel mailing list (netdev), one of the person who responded, mentioned it could be a config difference
06:21.12HarisI'm not sure what he meant by that
06:21.13dpkggcc: (The GNU C compiler), section devel, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.1-15 (etch), Packaged size: 4 kB, Installed size: 64 kB
06:21.31cammoblammo(Sorry if this is a double post:)
06:21.49cammoblammoI've installed the ratpoison WM, but it doesn't show up in my welcome screen (gdm). I have to access it via the menu in another WM. Any idea how to get it straight off?
06:21.58Harisstreuner: This is the version I should install?
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06:22.02GuerinHaris: he means it might be something set incorrectly in your kernel config
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06:22.29GuerinHaris: find out ewhen 2.6.9 was released and install a kernel released a little before then
06:22.30HarisGuerin: Well, it'll be repeating, but I built from 2.6.13 - 2.6.25 from vanilla sources
06:22.41GuerinHaris: s.d.n is searchable by age
06:22.41Harishmm
06:22.47Harisok
06:23.00markybobcammoblammo add it to ~/.xsession
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06:24.20cammoblammomarkybob: Will it appear as an entry in the 'Sessions' menu? (I'm not that fussed by it, but you know.)
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06:27.56billy12whats the kernel version in lenny?
06:28.20markybob2.6.24
06:28.39streunerbilly12: why?
06:29.47billy12powerbook g4 needs the b43 drivers
06:30.30billy12they didnt work to well in debian stable, and bcm43xx suxs
06:30.57Hariswell
06:30.58Harisdeb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool unstable contrib
06:30.58Harisdeb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool unstable contrib
06:31.02HarisI get 404
06:31.11Harisdeb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool linux-image <- also 404
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06:31.19GuerinHaris: why are you telling us?
06:31.20markybobHaris fucking stop being an idiot.  either go read the documents on snapshot.debian.net or drop dead
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06:34.09streunerbilly12: hm
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06:34.39AntiPety1привет. Люди не подскажете - вот мне надо на сервер дебиан состоящий из : ядро, компиляторы, и aptitude. Есть ли ето всё в версии "business card" или придётся тянуть "Netinst"?
06:34.42streunerbilly12: Did you try a backport yet?
06:34.51streunerAntiPety1: english please
06:34.52Guerin!ru
06:34.52dpkg[ru] Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net
06:35.05AntiPety1Ok< Thx
06:35.12azolAntiPety1: idi na #debian-russian
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06:36.21streuner!+tell billy12 -about backports
06:36.22dpkgtold billy12 about backports.
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06:37.12syclewerdan7: Couldn't stat source package list http://security.debian.org etch/updates/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
06:37.13sycleany ideas how to fix? apt-get update doesnt fix like it suggests but errors the same
06:37.23Guerinsycle: please don't repeat
06:37.35sycleeh i gave it like 30 mins
06:37.42sycleim spose to wait a day? =\
06:37.50Guerinsycle: comment that line in sources.list out; aptitude update; uncomment it; aptitude update again
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06:37.59syclethankyou
06:38.06syclewhy did it break tho?
06:38.20Guerinsycle: there's nothing i can think o which should prevent an update fixing it, so just mess around a bit
06:38.28sycleor is that offsite issue
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06:38.40syclek, thanks.
06:39.19Harishmm.. is s.d.n slow at times?
06:39.22Guerinsycle: uncertain.
06:39.33GuerinHaris: everything is slow at times.
06:39.42HarisI'm getting 23 KB/s off of it
06:39.50Harison a 2 Mbps adsl
06:40.05tarzeauHaris: what says traceroute to it?
06:40.11tarzeauHaris: it's a round robin afaik
06:40.14Gueringo and have a beer
06:40.37HarisI don't drink. Thankyou
06:40.39Haristhough
06:40.56streunersdn is not that fast
06:41.05streunerpretty normal
06:41.09Harisits on a jp
06:41.18Haris21  hp.debian.or.jp (218.223.29.46)  508.206 ms  514.202 ms  512.537 ms
06:41.20sycleGuerin, it still errors
06:41.33syclei only have 2 entries in my sources list
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06:41.55Guerinsycle: i guess the server is bust, then
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06:41.58tarzeauhaving stuff on your local network makes things faster, or using apt-get -d...
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06:42.08tarzeauGuerin: there exists public mirrors...
06:42.16syclehttp://pastebin.com/m7afaf933
06:42.21tarzeau!qotd0
06:42.21dpkg<HostilePenguin> your smarter
06:42.26Guerinthere do, but I don't know 'em
06:42.40tarzeauGuerin: i know one: http://debian.ethz.ch/
06:43.07syclethats my sources file
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06:46.39sycleanyone?
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06:47.31tarzeausycle: looks fine
06:47.36tarzeausycle: try host security.debian.org
06:47.56soundheartwhat does this mean?
06:48.04soundheart<soundheart> W: Couldn't stat source package list http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages
06:48.24hoxu!sources.list
06:48.25dpkgThe list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
06:48.28soundheart(/var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
06:48.36hoxusoundheart, missing /debian from the url?
06:49.04hoxusoundheart, show us your sources.list
06:49.22hoxusoundheart, or compare it to the above factoid yourself :)
06:49.35soundheartdeb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
06:49.52soundheartdeb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free
06:50.15soundheartdeb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free
06:50.35hoxusoundheart, did you run "apt-get update" twice?
06:50.44soundheartno
06:50.52hoxugo ahead then
06:51.52soundheartok.
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07:06.52dimirMorning!
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07:10.35sycle!sources
07:10.35dpkgThe list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
07:10.48clarityhey, i just installed xensrc and i keep getting a bunch of kernel output to whatever terminal i'm logged into
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07:10.59claritylike tty1, 2, 3 ,4,5 ,6
07:11.06clarityis there any way to make this stop?
07:11.21syclewhats usa's country code? us, and usa arent right
07:12.04nevynsycle: in what system?
07:12.31syclethe sources.list
07:12.43sycleftp.<cc>.msu.edu
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07:14.13hifiis it possible to automagically pull -dev packages with the main package?
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07:16.32hoxuhifi, no clue, but maybe you could install foo-dev always instead of the main one?
07:16.50streunerusually main package is in the depends of -dev package...
07:17.03hifiif its a meta package?
07:17.10streunerno
07:17.39hifiis there such package like "xorg-dev"
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07:18.40streuner!info xorg-dev
07:19.13dpkgxorg-dev: (the X.Org X Window System development libraries), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.3+10 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 52 kB
07:19.36streunerhttp://packages.debian.org/xorg-dev
07:20.32hifilets say the main package foo depends on bar, and I install foo-dev, will it pull bar-dev as well?
07:20.34alexandrooshello, how do I set the time on my sistem? im trying to set it by command line but when i reset the time changes itself
07:21.50streuner!mentors
07:21.50dpkgfrom memory, mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/, #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/
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07:24.20lvlefistohi all, gdb closes when my program crashes
07:24.27streuner!set time
07:24.27dpkgTo set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first.
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07:25.58s4xxongoodmorning. i somehow did mix up my system, and my grub loader is not working correctly anymore.  when i select no matter which kernel to load, i get the following error: Booting Debian kernel 2.6.14 , root(hd1,0) . Filesystem type unknown partition type 0x82. Kernel /boot/vmlinux-2.6.24 root=/dev/hdc1 ro. Error 17 cannot mount selected partition
07:26.14s4xxonhow could i fix my grub again ?
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07:28.07markybobfucking ass mother fucking piece of shit
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07:36.33hifisuggesting to add some kind of "developer mode" to apt when it would automagically get -dev's if there are any
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07:36.51simonrvnit's called build-dep.
07:36.56simonrvnman apt-get
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07:37.29simonrvnaptitude supports it (in lenny and sid, i think, or will soon)
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07:38.36hifithe descriptin doesn't seem to be exactly what I wanted
07:39.02simonrvn!ops various sorts of YVONNE* joining; see "join flood" from markybob
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07:40.00simonrvnno, but some "dev" mode would be overkill
07:40.04roxazerwhat options should i have when im installing an .deb?
07:40.10simonrvnthank you to the k:liner
07:40.20hoxuroxazer, dpkg -i
07:40.23rose-laptopheavens you guys - maybe its not her fault
07:40.36simonrvnriight
07:40.52hifisimonrvn: would be overkill to install all -dev packages?
07:40.57hoxuroxazer, what's not whose fault?
07:41.16roxazerdpkg: error processing irssi (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
07:41.16dpkgThat isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
07:41.19simonrvndifferent hosts, slightly different nicks, it's called bots, probably from zombified windows boxen
07:41.23roxazeri have to configure it, but how?
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07:41.38simonrvnhifi: yes it would
07:41.55markybobrose-laptop it's generally a precursor to an attack
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07:42.17hoxusimonrvn, if microsoft properly implemented RFC3514 in their networking stack we wouldn't have to deal with this mess :p
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07:42.31hifisimonrvn: in my opinion it wouldn't, they don't even consume much space
07:42.44simonrvnhifi: um, yes they do
07:43.04simonrvnhoxu: windows shouldn't have a network stack
07:43.17hifisimonrvn: few header files here and there?
07:43.31simonrvnnot only. and it does add up.
07:43.59hifibut maybe some people would like it that way, though they probably just install -devs directly
07:44.37simonrvni don't see much point to changing what already works well
07:44.58Guerinsimonrvn: a shockingly revolutionary idea!
07:44.59hifiit wouldn't change much, its an option
07:45.04simonrvnand often you *DON'T* want dev stuff installed
07:45.31hifiwhat bad it would possibly do to have it as an option/configuration setting?
07:45.40simonrvnyou ask for trouble having gcc around on something serving stuff publicly
07:45.48Guerini think what you're asking is `what could possibly go wrong'?
07:46.00simonrvnhifi: too easy to break, exploit, ...
07:46.11simonrvnGuerin: everything ;)
07:46.19hifion the development machine...
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07:46.38simonrvnif you need it you install it. simple.
07:47.39roxazerhow does your line for irssi looks like in sources.list? i have "deb http://www.davidpashley.com/debian/irssi-sarge/ ./" but i get an error for that in aptitude update
07:47.52hifiexplicitly installing hundreds of packages isn't fun
07:48.14hifibut anyway, thanks for the -dev tip, works for now
07:48.26simonrvnwhat's so hard about aptitude/apt-get build-dep <some package>?
07:49.52Guerinroxazer: 1. why the fuck are you using sarge? 2. you don't need a special line for irssi, it's been in debian since forever.
07:50.35hifisimonrvn: if I build something manually I need to go trough all the depencies
07:50.54simonrvnthat's your choice
07:50.55markybobhifi no you dont.  you apt-get build-dep the dependencies
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07:51.44hifisimonrvn: it is, but it was also my point
07:51.50roxazerGuerin: byut not 0.8.12
07:51.51Guerinhifi: if you're building upstream source of a package which isn't in debian, there are other ways of approximating the deps.
07:51.52roxazerbut
07:52.02Guerinroxazer: doesn't answer 1.
07:52.12markybobheh
07:52.25roxazerGuerin: it was here http://irssi.org/download#binaries
07:52.27Guerinroxazer: in any case, this is a NMFP because it's someone's personal backport stash - ask the admin.
07:52.31roxazerGuerin: irssi.org told me to use that, but i have also try just irssi/ but the same error
07:52.57roxazerokey..
07:54.38hifiwhen I get to the point I'm ready to build the package where would I start to learn the debian packaging and depency system?
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07:55.06hifithanks
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08:11.22hoxu!flw
08:11.22dpkg<kraypius> nobodys gonna own the firewall
08:11.43lvhWhat does !flw stand for?
08:11.51hoxufamous last words
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08:12.52sandmanWOuld anyone happen to know why my consoles don't work
08:13.05HarisW: GPG error: http://snapshot.debian.net unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D
08:13.13Harishow do I ge tit?
08:13.15sandmanIf I c-a-f* over to them, my screen just locks up and keeps the image of my desktop, except that my mouse and keyboard don't work.
08:13.17hoxu!topic
08:13.19sandmanHaris: Read the page.
08:13.21hoxuHaris, see the topic
08:13.21Guerin!topicbadger Haris
08:13.21dpkg/topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that Haris didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic...
08:13.27hoxuGuerin, thanks :P
08:13.35Harisok
08:14.23Hariswell, dpkg doesn't know about 2005 key
08:14.29Harisit knows about 2006 key
08:14.36hoxusandman, display driver problem probably... it can't display the console mode
08:14.36sandmanIf I restart init, will my consoles get reloaded
08:14.49sandmanhoxu: I was playing with nvtv a bit. Could that have something to do with it
08:15.06Guerinsandman: yes, definitely
08:15.35hoxusandman, "I changed something, and now another thing does not work, it did work before that though" - prolly ;)
08:15.52sandmanhoxu: I actually hadn't thought of nvtv at first, since I only played with it a couple days ago.
08:15.56sandmanANd only today did it stop working =)
08:17.08simonrvnHaris: and so?
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08:17.25markybobGuerin life's a bitch.  you and i should've been born rich :P
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08:17.36simonrvndamn crap bots
08:17.46Guerinyeah, I want a refund on life
08:17.50simonrvn!ops yvonne* is back
08:17.50dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: simonrvn complains about: yvonne* is back
08:17.56markybobcock-sucking maggots!
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08:18.23markybobwill someone PLEASE give me ops.  i've only been coming in here for 10 fucking years
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08:18.29Guerinmarkybob: i have a nipper on the way now, all I can do is try and make sure he or she is born rich instead
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08:18.49Guerinalthough in monetary terms that's quite unlikely, there are other things
08:18.55markybobGuerin good luck
08:18.58markybobheh
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08:19.34simonrvn\o/
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08:19.43cahoothis/her father's sunny disposition?
08:19.47sandmanWow.
08:19.48GuerinJohn Connor strikes again!
08:19.57Guerincahoot: ask me in 7.5 months
08:20.00Harissimonrvn: Well I'm trying old packages and it complains. I can ignore it though
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08:20.21hoxumarkybob, so you're flooding with the clones? Very intelligent
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08:20.50markybobhoxu shut the fuck up.  i'm not behind this and everyone who's anyone knows me in #debian
08:20.50SpeedyGhi, my /usr partition is slowly filling up, so i'm looking for a way to clean it a bit up? what is the best way to do this?
08:21.05simonrvn/foreach yvonne*; do /kline $i; done :P
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08:21.19Guerinmarkybob: i dunno, you latinos are pretty shifty ;)
08:21.30markybobheh :)  no arguments there
08:21.43simonrvnremove stuff you don't need
08:21.46GuerinSpeedyG: start with debfoster or deborphan
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08:22.00simonrvnrun fakeroot debian/rules clean in stuff ;p
08:22.01GuerinSpeedyG: also aptitude [auto]clean is good
08:22.10simonrvnhe said /usr ;)
08:22.27hoxumarkybob, well, calm down then, and take your pills, they are good for your health :P
08:23.03AnyFileHello! How can I convert a real audio file to a wav (I mean a completed real audio file - extension rm - already full downloaded)
08:23.03SpeedyGGuerin: autoclean usually cleans the /var partition innit? :)
08:23.09Guerinoh, true
08:23.17Guerinbrain malfunction
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08:23.25quitteautoremove?
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08:24.50simonrvni guess this lunatic is going to go through the whole alphabet...
08:24.56hoxuany ops awake?
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08:25.12HarisWhy does he do it?
08:25.13simonrvn/ban yvonne*!*@*
08:25.15GuerinAnyFile: a bit tricky, since real is such a fucked format. You can try realplayer/helix player (in debian-multimedia), or mplayer -dumpstream might do it
08:25.22quitte!ops ^^
08:25.22dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: quitte complains about: ^^
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08:26.07simonrvnweee
08:26.23crazyfrogi dial up through pppoe ,when i find a host,what file is used?/etc/resolve.conf or /etc/ppp/resolve.conf
08:26.24simonrvnnice one. stacked them up ;)
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08:26.37Guerincrazyfrog: no
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08:26.43elkbuntuthe've been around a few days now. poor yvonne
08:26.53muhahwhats the package which has 'threads.h' in it ?
08:27.05Guerinmuhah: search
08:27.18simonrvnas in /msg dpkg
08:27.41muhahGuerin: E: Couldn't find package search
08:27.52muhahGuerin: nop not that one
08:27.54markybobhe said /msg dpkg, not apt-cache search
08:27.54Guerinmuhah: it was a verb, not a noun
08:28.22crazyfrogguerin:then how to decide the dns server ?
08:28.30simonrvnenglish is so nouny
08:28.41muhahGuerin: You have searched for filenames that contain threads.h in suite sid, all sections, and architecture(s) i386. Found 20 results.
08:28.41AnyFileit is not a stream, it is the full file already (it is not just the a file with only a line starting with rtps://....). I can play it with xine (with extra codec added from mplayer). I will try with that using wav as output (instead of the audio device9, but it is rather long (you have to wait all the time that is need to play it). I would have prefear something like "mpg123 -w file.wav file.mp3"
08:28.50muhahGuerin: which one
08:29.36markybobmuhah it's in your kernel headers
08:29.55Guerin!tell muhah about search
08:30.01Guerinmuhah: the answer is `any'
08:30.13muhahGuerin: its in my kernel headers
08:30.15Guerincrazyfrog: /etc/resolv.conf
08:30.23quittelinux-libc-dev, ifit's in it
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08:30.44simonrvnget ready to stack them up again ;)
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08:31.23markybobazeem ah, god bless you
08:31.23quittethanks
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08:32.05azeemthat was quick
08:32.07simonrvn\o/
08:32.14markybobsmart fucker
08:32.26simonrvnprobably in-channel
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08:34.21Hariswell, there are more proxies today than there were some time back. and there are more, every now and then
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08:35.00HarisI'v seen projects on freelance websites where people explicitly want them to be built an anoymous proxy. mostly from US
08:36.00simonrvni don't doubt there's a need / want for varioud anon proxies, but people abuse them and wreck it for people that have a real need for them. i.e., staying alive
08:36.06simonrvnvarious*
08:36.19simonrvner, e.g. even
08:36.37Harispeople need anonymous proxies to stay alive?
08:36.38markybobah, i wish i wasnt against spamming.  my company owns an anonymous proxy :P
08:37.15markybobthings are becoming more and more complicated.  the US government is spying on everyone, including domestics and not just foreigners
08:37.24simonrvnnot directly....
08:37.36Hariswell, its the people who are letting them
08:37.39muhahso i want to install threads.h into /usr/include/linux but there is no such package that install it there , whats the package name im missing here ?
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08:37.55azeemmuhah: what are you trying to do?
08:37.55markybobmuhah i already told you, it's in your kernel headers
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08:38.28muhahso i want to install threads.h into the /usr/include/ directory
08:38.34azeemwhy?
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08:38.44Harisyou cause the distress, fall prey to it yourself and then want to find solutions to get out of it?
08:38.44crazyfrogGuerin:I used to use the dns server of my isp,but now i want use another dns server.i have changed the /etc/resolve.conf file,it seems do not work.should i change /etc/ppp/resolve.conf or reconfigure the pppoe package?
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08:39.01simonrvnHaris: wot?
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08:39.09Harisreminds me of the cow jokes I received recently, lol
08:39.13muhahwhy ? cause thats were it was installed the last time and otherwise i have to update all the .h files that use threads.h and recomplie the whole lot
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08:39.29azeemmuhah: I don't think it was
08:39.32markybobHaris first off, debian inst #politics
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08:40.29Harismarkybob: I'm not talking politics. I'm talking about people and the choices they make
08:40.30azeemmuhah: which project are you trying to compile that needs threads.h?
08:40.36quittecrazyfrog: pppd updates resolv.conf with info from your isp. look at the config files in /etc/ppp/(peers)
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08:40.49markybobHaris you should stop, before you get banned
08:41.10Harismarkybob: You should ignore me, rather than wasting time on me
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08:41.44Harisit didn't work. Can't find the gcc version :(
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08:41.59markybobgood luck finding people who care about your problems now
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08:42.06muhahazeem: im sure it was in /usr/include/linux anyway
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08:42.21markybobmuhah fuck man, when will you listen?  kernel headers!
08:42.38muhahazeem: #include <linux/threads.h> <-- thats the include line i used
08:42.58azeemthat doesn't mean it has to be /usr/include/linux
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08:43.17muhahazeem: no ?
08:43.23azeemno
08:43.28muhahah
08:43.30HarisI instaled gcc 3.4 and 4.0. When I tried to build the kernel it said, it can't find gcc
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08:43.36Harisshakes head
08:43.44simonrvn!b-e Haris
08:43.44dpkgHaris: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.
08:43.57Harisoops
08:44.04Harisforgot that one
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08:44.38simonrvnb-e is just a meta-package
08:44.52HarisI hope s.d.n has old ones
08:44.56muhahwhats the package to install to get the man pages for help on threads functions and so on ?
08:45.12azeemmuhah: are you sure you should muck with threads`
08:45.13azeem?
08:45.33markybobmuhah son of a bitch.  LISTEN when you ask for help
08:45.34muhahoh threads are for the elite
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08:45.59muhahmarkybob: then answer the damn question
08:46.13extorAre there any other web servers which can run fastcgi and are super tiny and efficient? Like better than lighty and nginx?
08:46.14markybobmuhah this is the FORTH time that i told you it's in kernel headers!
08:46.31muhahmarkybob: thats not the question i asked asswipe
08:46.36hansiapt-get install kernel-headers-<your-kernel-version>
08:46.51hoxumarkybob, please drop the expletives, if people annoy you, just don't help or ignore them
08:46.56Haris[01:46:50(pm)] <Haris> build-essentials
08:46.56Haris[01:46:51(pm)] <dpkg> I give up, what is it?
08:46.57Harislol
08:47.17muhahi asked for the man pages that describe the linux c calls
08:47.30Harisfound it
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08:47.56azeemmuhah: what linux c calls?
08:47.58simonrvn"essential"
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08:48.10azeemmuhah: maybe you mean manpages-dev
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08:48.18muhahk lemme try that
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08:48.31HarisI have 2 versions of gcc on board 4.0 and 4.1 and I want to get 3.4 as well. How can I find build-essential for the 3.4 and 4.0 ones? s.d.n ?
08:48.40azeemHaris: there isn't
08:48.45Harisouch
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08:48.52azeemHaris: b-e is for the default gcc
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08:48.56muhahthanks azeem thats teh one
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08:51.04muhahnice !
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08:51.21muhahi get all these nice chicks with provocative names to DCC me !
08:51.25crazyfrogquitte:if i comment the "usepeerdns" in provider file,would the pppoe  update resolve.conf?
08:51.42azeemmuhah: that's not helpful
08:51.55hansii installed debian lenny before one hour with gnome. a i've seen it runs very good out-of-the-box, right?
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08:52.02markybobmuhah i'll dcc you if you'd like.  i'm a 45 year old man, though.
08:52.04muhahit only happens when i joim #debian btw
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09:16.47dpkg<bart_> seanius, only 4 people at #C++ <seanius> try another network then <bart_> network? <bart_> IRC is the biggest isn't it?
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09:21.54basantawhat is the kde version under lenny now?
09:21.57rose-laptopinstalled debian 40r to p 266 - install went okay - but now at desktop thing which gives vibrating lines
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09:23.14rose-laptopI didn't use any special parameters at boot
09:24.16cahootro try rephrase the problemse-laptop: you might
09:24.26cahoothaha
09:24.43cahootrose-laptop: you might try rephrase the problem
09:25.03rose-laptopwell ok - install failed at that point!
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09:26.01cahoot<rose-laptop> installed debian 40r to p 266 - install went okay
09:26.11ddaltoncan someone run: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade as root and tell me if OO breaks? I didn't have luck with this before and before I try tomorrow I was wondering if someone could tell me if the packages are stable? (in lenny)
09:26.21ddaltondon't worry if you are an etch user
09:26.26rose-laptopcahoot: I gues it seems the instyall was ok, but at the desktop activation level it fails.  I'd guess to do with ancient svga monitor
09:27.17cahootrose-laptop: so you finished install and rebooted to an unusable display?
09:27.45rose-laptopno cahoot hadn't got to reboot, but after packages installed
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09:29.34alarm_goodmorning . when i open the kpackage manager , select some packages to install and press on 'install' button. a dialog box appears telling me: Login Problem: Please login manually. how can i fix that ?
09:29.47bierhello there, how can i pass the options "msi=0 msix=0" to the forcedeth driver at boottime?
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09:30.50biertried to add the line "forcedeth msi=0 msix=0" to /etc/modules, but it didn't work
09:30.59bierany hints?
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09:31.09cahootbier: put the as options in /etc/modprobe.d/forcedeth?
09:31.33bierokay, i'll chak that
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09:34.25Trevelyan`Hi, can anyone tell where to start with debugging this? http://paste.debian.net/1942/  I've tried googling the error message to no success.
09:34.53Trevelyan`and the error output is too vague to know whats going on.
09:36.01GuerinTrevelyan`: sh -x /var/lib/dpkg/info/citadel-server.postinst
09:36.09GuerinTrevelyan`: see what breaks
09:36.48Guerin!info citadel-server
09:36.50dpkgcitadel-server: (complete and feature-rich groupware server), section mail, is extra. Version: 7.35-1 (sid), Packaged size: 512 kB, Installed size: 2764 kB
09:37.44Trevelyan`http://paste.debian.net/1944/
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09:39.14GuerinTrevelyan`: not sure. Check the BTS. You're using sid? You should be equipped to fix this sort of fuckup yourself.
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09:39.19Trevelyan`i don't like exchange and wanted to see if there were any good alternates and that ^ sounds promising if i could install it.
09:39.26Trevelyan`no i'm on lenny
09:39.30Guerinoh, ok
09:39.35Guerindefinitely check the BTS then
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09:40.08Trevelyan`i would have thought google would have returned something, but i will look thank you.
09:40.50Trevelyan`only one bug listed, #476485: citadel-server should conflict with cfingerd
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09:42.15GuerinTrevelyan`: file this one. How good's your sh or perl? You might have to debug the postinst script yourself. In some, but not all cases, you can just get away with an `exit 0' to make it appear to exit cleanly. Whether this applies in your case depends on the script in question.
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09:43.42HSorgYvesmorning; error 25 (Disk read error) after fresh install, what can I check?
09:44.09crazyfrogmy box connect to the Internet through pppoe,could i install a dns server on it and use itself as its dns server
09:44.12hoxuHSorgYves, where did you get that?
09:44.19petemccrazyfrog: yes
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09:44.24hoxucrazyfrog, is dnsmasq what you want?
09:44.30Guerincrazyfrog: yes, but why would you?
09:44.36petemcto speed up lookups
09:44.42Trevelyan`well while I'm on lenny i do have sid sources (i use pinning and default-release), and I now note that citadel is only in sid, i didn't notice that line in the apt-get downloads.
09:44.48Guerinfive nines worth of people don't need to run their own nameserver
09:44.52petemci always run my own caching nameserver
09:44.53HSorgYveshoxu: during reboot in grub after the kernel line
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09:45.04crazyfrogGuerin:i want lean sth about dns server
09:45.10GuerinTrevelyan`: there you have it, then. File away, and good luck.
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09:45.39Guerincrazyfrog: no, you don't. Earlier you were asking what file you edit to make your computer look up names. DNS servers are Hard Freaking Work.
09:45.48hoxuHSorgYves, could it be a hardware problem?
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09:47.17HSorgYveshoxu: maybe the second controller is not recognized; although it was during installation; and a check from recovery console shows the data is on the disk
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09:47.53alarm_one more problem :) my debian doesnt see the swap partition. it runs normaly but it seems that it points on some other partition then the swap one. a dmesg shows me: Unable to find swap-space signature
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09:49.15alarm_wait. i'll change the fstab and see what happens
09:49.18alarm_be back soon
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09:50.41crazyfrogGuerin:i used to install dns server on a machine with static ip,it works fine.but i have trouble with machine with pppoe
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09:50.50HSorgYveshoxu: is there a way to check this from the grub console?
09:50.53Guerincrazyfrog: bollocks.
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09:52.23crazyfrogGuerin:sorry,what you means?
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09:58.44HSorgYvesis there a way to check which partitions are available from he grub command line?
09:59.31azeemHSorgYves: tab-completion
09:59.39azeemlike "root (hd0,<tab>
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10:01.44HSorgYvesazeem: thx, it lists the 5 HDs and the corresponding partitions, so the controller should be recognized?
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10:02.36azeemHSorgYves: at least by grub
10:02.43azeemHSorgYves: which mostly uses the bios
10:03.09HSorgYvesazeem: the problem seems to occur while loading the kernel
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10:03.55azeemHSorgYves: maybe describe the problem?
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10:04.44HSorgYvesazeem: i did before -> error 25 after the kernel line is displayed
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10:09.06HSorgYvesok, bbl, need to prepare dinner now
10:09.32ttuuxxxhttp://www.linuxpackages.net/pkg_details.php?id=12283   <--- transmission BT client
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10:10.24dnsFree domain .com .net .org .biz :)-> http://freez.selfip.com
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10:11.57hoxu!ops "dns" is advertising shit
10:11.58dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: "dns" is advertising shit
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10:13.14elkbuntuhoxu, it actually looks like he was advertising domains, not feces.
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10:13.53ProN00bhow would i install on a headless machine ?
10:14.00nirupamahow to enable finger print reader in sony vaio
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10:14.39hoxuProN00b, do you have ssh access?
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10:15.05ProN00bhoxu, yes
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10:16.23nirupamasony vaio laptop how to enable the finger print reader
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10:16.49|inuxmathhow do i add a sound device to my windows xp virtual machine?
10:17.04|inuxmathrunning with vmware
10:17.08valdyn|inuxmath: how would we know that?
10:17.14valdyn|inuxmath: read the vmware documentation
10:17.20Nurulwaiif you aint got player or workstation you're shit outta luck.
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10:17.33|inuxmathit's vmware server
10:17.40Nurulwaiyou're shit outta luck.
10:17.43valdyn|inuxmath: neither xp nor vmware are supportable by us, both are proprietary software.
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10:18.09Lukemobhello
10:18.11Nurulwaitry virtualbox, that supports sound.
10:18.22Lukemobis there a way, how to resize /root ?
10:18.23NurulwaiAnd runs XP pretty well.
10:18.25zo_orkii want to connect to a wep wlan, using kwlan, but i don't know how. i always get the message kwlan was unable to start wpasuppclient and i cant find any networks. searching on the internet i found a lot of different inormation, so i dont know what to do. i am using the kernel 2.6.24 and lenny with the integrated nvidia driver. but i'm not sure wether my wlan chip really works...
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10:19.20markybob|inuxmath vmware doesn't support alsa
10:19.55|inuxmathmarkybob, and? there is no way to make it play sounds in windows?
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10:20.46markybob|inuxmath no.  not unless you wrap it with http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmwaredsp-1.0.tar.gz
10:20.48valdyn|inuxmath: not having alsa support isnt an issue with this, oss emulation layer should be on by default, and its anyway available
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10:22.48floezo_orki: which wlan chip do u have?
10:23.05taraskostiakanyway sound via virtual machine is bad
10:23.20taraskostiak(at least on virtualbox)
10:24.37zo_orkifloe: the one from nvidia: ipw3945
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10:24.46liablezo_orki: read your dmesg output and look for your wifi card
10:25.00liable!ipw3945
10:25.00dpkgIf you're running a recent version of Debian (etch or greater), do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". If you're running Debian's 2.6.23 or newer, ask me about <iwlwifi>.  See also <ipw3945-fu>
10:25.15liablezo_orki: what debian version are you using?
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10:26.27idimmuhmm
10:26.33floezo_orki: ipw is INTEL, afaik
10:26.35liable!ops looks like a bot attack..
10:26.35dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: looks like a bot attack..
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10:26.54markybobliable good luck.  been asking for help for more than an hour
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10:27.10liablemarkybob: ya, i recall you calling ops earlier.
10:27.24azeemliable: they're getting k-lined by staff
10:27.24liableah, ircops are onto it anyway
10:27.29vjoehey
10:27.29azeemfor hours
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10:27.31ceil420stupid yvonne bots were ctcp flooding me the other day
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10:28.40emboss_Hey, I'm trying to setup debian etch 10 with apage and chroot, everything seems to be ok accept if i try and hit an index.** page without typing in the full url i get the following error
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10:28.44emboss_ET /apache2-default/ HTTP/1.1" 404 327 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1) ; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1)"
10:28.47zo_orkii'm not sure how to find out abot my wifi card, so i put my dmesg online: http://paste.debian.net/1953/
10:28.48emboss_anyone any ideas?
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10:30.42hoxukids nowadays clearly don't have enough homework
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10:30.52Hoxzer:o
10:31.01HoxzerI think they do they just wont do them
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10:32.58floezo_orki: and the driver seems to be loaded already
10:33.05bvkzo_orki: its iwl3945
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10:33.29GhostlyDeath|Lptanyway
10:33.38GhostlyDeath|LptHow can I spawn a process that has a very high priority?
10:33.44elkbuntugee i wonder who the next lot was going to be
10:33.47zo_orkiwell, what do i have to do now?
10:33.54floezo_orki: so all you have to to is to set it up for your wlan now.
10:34.18hoxuGhostlyDeath|Lpt, nice as root
10:34.30zo_orkifloe: ifconfig wlan0 up??
10:34.37GhostlyDeath|Lptwlan0_rename
10:34.45x1250I'm having (new) problems with a Compaq Presario 700 laptop. Strange thing, now I get a private ip from DHCP. I did work till yesterday. I wonder what could have happened. This laptop uses debian etch, and it did work flawlessly. I tried ubuntu live-cd (hardy and gutsy), and it didn't work either. My ip is now: 169.254.138.59. I'm kind of lost. I haven't made any updates, so I really don't know what has happend. Any chance the network card
10:34.45x1250died? I don't think so, since ifconfig shows it up and running, it has an ip, lspci detects it, and even dmesg seems "right"
10:34.49x1250any ideas?
10:34.56floezo_orki: read a howto.. I would recommend not to use kwlan but set it in /etc/network/interfaces
10:34.58GhostlyDeath|Lptiwl3945 uses wlan0_rename
10:35.15GhostlyDeath|LptWho's having the iwl3945 problem?
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10:35.22zo_orkiGhostly: me
10:35.29idimmux1250: you havent actually said what 'isnt' working yet
10:35.31GhostlyDeath|Lptzo_orki: What is the problem?
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10:35.51GhostlyDeath|Lpthoxu: What's high priority, negative numbers?
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10:35.58x1250idimmu: dhcp doesn't work, I only get a private ip. Even the netinstall DHCP detection fails.
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10:36.05hoxuGhostlyDeath|Lpt, man nice
10:36.09zo_orkii dont know how to start my wlan. i've just no idea
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10:36.34GhostlyDeath|Lptzo_orki: Check that these are installed...
10:36.34extorDo many large corporations use an  open source(i.e. free) IDS along with their firewalls and antiviruses..or do they use commercially produced and supported IDSes?
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10:37.38GhostlyDeath|Lptzo_orki: firmware-iwlwifi
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10:38.01GhostlyDeath|LptThen you need to modprobe it
10:38.22zo_orkiit's installed
10:38.34GhostlyDeath|Lptmodprobe iwl3945
10:38.42GhostlyDeath|Lptas #
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10:39.17GhostlyDeath|Lptuh oh
10:39.18zo_orkithere's no output
10:39.27GhostlyDeath|Lptzo_orki: then it worked
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10:39.31floeGhostlyDeath|Lpt: dmesg says the driver is loaded... he needs to know howto set up the network interface
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10:39.51GhostlyDeath|LptIs he using a terminal or a GUI?
10:40.06liabledoes it show in iwconfig?
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10:40.28GhostlyDeath|Lptzo_orki: Are you using GNOME, KDE, XFCE or the Terminal?
10:40.38zo_orkii amusing kde
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10:40.49GhostlyDeath|Lptinstall....
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10:41.06GhostlyDeath|Lptnetwork-manager network-manager-kde
10:41.20floeGhostlyDeath|Lpt: maybe he should find out for himself... howto to configure an interface is basics and I would not recommend any GUI for that purpose
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10:42.02GhostlyDeath|LptI've had problems with network-manager so I lock mine at 0.6.4-6
10:43.29GhostlyDeath|Lptfloe: GUI can do it and it makes it easier
10:44.03GhostlyDeath|LptBut you don't really have any choices to make really
10:44.11floeGhostlyDeath|Lpt: But you understand nothing!
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10:44.52GhostlyDeath|Lptfloe: Linux isn't black background and white text anymore
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10:45.22floeGhotstly:Death|Lpt: And if it doesn't work you you donÄt have to bother people ;)
10:45.24zo_orkiGhostly: I've instaled both
10:45.56GhostlyDeath|Lptzo_orki: AFter you modprobe it, try restarting your PC
10:45.59GhostlyDeath|LptAre you on a laptop?
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10:46.11cahootwhy reboot?
10:46.15zo_orkiyes i am
10:46.22GhostlyDeath|LptWhat brand?
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10:47.00GhostlyDeath|Lptcahoot: Rebooting makes things fresh
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10:47.08floeGhotstly:Death|Lpt: Don't get me wrong. I just think  a good howto and a terminal would be more helpful... after all he can still use a GUI
10:47.09cahootright
10:47.24zo_orkiGhostly: acer
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10:47.59x1250is there any sid netinstall iso anywhere?
10:48.01shitalHello All
10:48.04zo_orkifloe: i am sitting here for days with a lot of howtos. i prefer to get it work an understand afterwards
10:48.44zo_orkiGhostly: i've done modprobe again. shall i restart now?
10:48.47floezo_orki: Sometimes you need to invest time to learn something ;)
10:48.50GhostlyDeath|Lptzo_orki: uname -m
10:49.20GhostlyDeath|Lptoh cool new kernel
10:49.32zo_orkiGhostlyDeath|Lpt: i686
10:49.41GhostlyDeath|Lptzo_orki: What version is network-manager?
10:50.08zo_orkiGhostlyDeath|Lpt: 0.2.2 (KDE 3.5.9)
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10:54.02GhostlyDeath|Lptk...
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10:54.08GhostlyDeath|Lptdamn flooders =/
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10:54.25kartofelekhi
10:54.36GhostlyDeath|Lptkartofelek: hey
10:54.46ceil420is there a command to show distro version?
10:54.52kartofelekuname -a
10:54.58hoxuceil420, /etc/debian_version
10:55.03ceil420kartofelek, distro, not kernel
10:55.06ceil420hoxu, cheers
10:55.14GhostlyDeath|Lptcat /etc/debian_version
10:55.18kartofelekso /etc/debian_version
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10:55.27Meawcat /proc/version
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10:55.45GhostlyDeath|Lpttomaw: heh
10:55.46ceil420Meaw, even better, thanks :)
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10:56.06GhostlyDeath|Lpt"Linux version 2.6.24-1-amd64 (Debian 2.6.24-5) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080308 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-21)) #1 SMP Thu Mar 27 16:52:38 UTC 2008"
10:56.27ceil420Linux version 2.6.18-6-686 (Debian 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008
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10:56.33tomawbetter
10:56.39shitalis there iny distro which has only console access and minimum required packages?
10:56.53ceil420shital, LFS?
10:56.57ceil420or maybe DSL
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10:57.11shitalok thank you
10:57.37GhostlyDeath|Lptwoo
10:57.39ceil420shital, LFS = Linux From Scratch; it'll literally only have what you put into it. DSL = Damn Small Linux
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10:57.42GhostlyDeath|Lpttime to update my systems!
10:58.04kartofelektoday, when I put apt-get dist-upgrade, it said it would remove all the compiz packages. I'm using Lenny. Did anybody get something like this recently?
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10:58.28shitalthanks ceil420
10:58.35ceil420np
10:58.35floezo_orki: u could also do "zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian".. If u don't understand what's written there u can ask me...
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10:59.14GhostlyDeath|LptThat's them
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10:59.49kartofelekalot of movement here :)
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11:00.01GhostlyDeath|LptThey are all using mIRC
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11:00.30ceil420GhostlyDeath|Lpt, i figured they were
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11:00.39elkbuntuooh, can we ban mIRC users?! :D
11:00.39ceil420it looks like cheap skiddie crap
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11:00.48kartofelek:)
11:01.05kartofelekwhy does it work this way?
11:01.15hoxujust ignore the noise
11:01.31kartofelekjust couriosity
11:01.49floezo_orki: you got my last message?
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11:02.02ceil420goes to work :(
11:02.04ceil420..\/,
11:02.07GhostlyDeath|Lpttamow: Version and ban!
11:02.34GhostlyDeath|Lptactually he's gone now
11:02.40Meawhell no.. because im using mIRC :)
11:02.46kartofelekhahaha
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11:02.55GhostlyDeath|LptMeaw: In WINE I hope ;)
11:03.22kartofelekok, I must flee. C you all
11:03.32Meawflee?
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11:03.42kartofeleklike ... go :)
11:03.47Meawallright
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11:03.58Meaw*C* you then :)
11:04.06kartofeleksorry, I'm Polish, so I may say something different than I want sometimes
11:04.07kartofelek:)
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11:04.18shitalhello
11:04.28kartofelekok, bye
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11:04.31Meawi see
11:04.32GhostlyDeath|LptThe names can so easily be picked out
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11:04.44floezo_orki: in console do "zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian" and after reading (as hinted) do (read)  "zless /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz"
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11:05.14zo_orkifloe: thank you
11:05.28shitalhi
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11:06.02floezo_orki: are you using wep, wpa/wpa2 or no key at all?
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11:06.24zo_orkifloe: wep at the moment. but i am not sure about the ssid
11:06.29shitalhi
11:07.06shitalhi
11:07.09floezo_orki: You need the essid!
11:07.26zo_orkifloe: but arent there tools to search for networks?
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11:08.45GhostlyDeath|LptHow do you lock packages?
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11:08.57shitaldonno
11:09.00floezo_orki: yes... you can do a "iwlist IFACENAME scanning" as root (IFACENAME = ath0, eth0, whatever)
11:10.45floezo_orki: do an "iwconfig" first and look out for interfaces with a wireless extension.
11:11.07shitalhi
11:11.12GhostlyDeath|Lpthey
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11:12.36shitalhow can i remove desktop manager, so that i only want to have runlevel-3.
11:13.08shitali dont want any X server
11:13.48emboss_whats the best way to remove a package to totally uninstall?
11:13.52emboss_e.g. apache
11:14.05emboss_apt-get remove doesn't seem to doing it
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11:15.01antgelah, good
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11:15.14shitalor is there any way, while installing only i can avoid the desktop environment?
11:16.09harpalhey I have two doc file, and I want to compare it, how can I do that? I want to compare only characters, If therey is only one space more than it should not dispaly
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11:16.36shitaltry with diff
11:17.07shitalcan any one guide me for the above?
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11:17.15floeemboss: "apt-get remove --purge package"
11:17.31antgeli have a large .gif that is too small to read when printing on a sheet of a4. but gimp doesn't appear to give me any options to spread the printing over several pages. how can i spread it so it prints over several pages?
11:17.40markybobpinto3 sorry, i cant keep ignoring your name.  do you know silas pinto or paulo pinto?
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11:19.55harpalshital: do aptitude remove gdm kdm
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11:20.14Re|ent|essHey, I was wondering why the debian etch netinstall keep freezing and the saying it cant install certian packages. Is there another way I can install debian? I have tried unetbootin and the iso.
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11:20.22emboss_floe: apache2 doesn't seem to rebuild /etc/apache2 dir and files
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11:27.00harpalshital: have you done that? remove desktop manager, so you have console linux
11:27.47shitalthank you harpal, rt now i am in work place i will try it in my home system,
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11:28.19shitalafter doing this can i able to log in into console finely?
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11:29.53harpalshital: yes
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11:30.02floeemboss_: what are you trying to do?
11:30.17floezo_orki: you got your interface name?
11:30.33shitalharpal: thanks
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11:32.11GhostlyDeath|LptSo why is someone using a botnet to attack Debian anyway?
11:32.20SpeedyGwhy not?
11:32.29GhostlyDeath|LptWhy attack Debian?
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11:32.38GhostlyDeath|LptMost packed channel in Freenode?
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11:32.52shitalharpal : can u plz suggest me best docs to read , by which i can study to build a distro which has only minimal packages without any a single extra packages?
11:32.52markybobGhostlyDeath people are idiots.  for the same reason they attacked the olympics.  for no reason.  for wanting to prove they're something
11:33.04markybobGhostlyDeath|Lpt you really cant answer something like that
11:33.16SpeedyGGhostlyDeath|Lpt: most common answer is 'because they can'
11:33.17dutchfishshital, linux from scratch
11:33.33shitalok thanks
11:33.33hoxuplease don't give it the attention it does not reserve
11:33.55ProN00btar just continues on errors, right ?
11:34.06dutchfishshital, you also might want to delve in DSL
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11:34.53GhostlyDeath!damn X-Chat
11:34.53dpkgsends X-Chat to the deepest circle of hell, reserved for mutineers and betrayers.
11:34.53shitalyaaa, i tried it but it has xfce desktop which i dont want
11:34.57dutchfishshital, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/download.html
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11:35.24dutchfishshital, wich one are you looking for (windows manager)
11:35.53Supranohum.. i broke mc somehow
11:35.58shitali dont want any window manager, i just want console access
11:36.22Supranoits just a black console and a white \ with blue bg in the upper right corner
11:36.45Bushmillsshital: you can run an xterm without window manager
11:36.46Supranoi already deleted .mc
11:36.49dutchfishshital, then debian-live is your friend? boots from anything (cd, usb network) and is small and console only
11:36.59Bushmillsbut, in fact, you don't really need X then
11:37.17dutchfishshital, http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/
11:37.31shitaldutchfish: i will try
11:38.04shitalbut it will ask for net connection while installing rt?
11:38.06BushmillsSuprano: mc doesn't like it if there's a dead nfs mount in one of the displayed directories
11:38.25Supranoi am pretty sure that i have no nfs mounted
11:38.44dutchfishshital, no, you can build it as an image and then it needs zilch
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11:39.34Bushmillsshital, i you need X and window manager,  ion2 could be interesting for you.
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11:39.49MantaarHey guys, how do I change the default gcc version in Debian? It seems I have 4.1 and 4.2 installed, but I want to change to 4.1
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11:39.55dutchfishshital, and the nice part is, its totally debian and you decide how big or how small it will be ....
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11:40.04Bushmillstiled, i.e. you can split windows hor and ver. and easiily full screen them.
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11:40.24pinto3you can link /bin/gcc or /usr/bin/gcc to {/usr}/bin/gcc-4.1
11:40.27shitaldutchfish: debian-40r3-i386-businesscard.iso i was trying to install but it was asking net connection
11:40.40dutchfishshital, hehe, of coarse
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11:41.10HarisI'm adding unstable and testing to sources. what deb-src line do I put against both of them in the list?
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11:41.15Mantaarpinto3: thanks. I think I'm going to try to export CC="/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" first. dpkg just toldme to do so ;-)
11:41.17dutchfishshital, if you just want an installer for debian without needing net connection you have to download the cd/dvd images
11:41.19Harisdeb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free
11:41.25Harisdeb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free
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11:41.28snikkerwhen i insert a cd/dvd in a second dvd drive, the system don't mount it and in dmesg, i've got this: http://pastebin.com/m1cc3d71c
11:41.28pinto3alright
11:41.32Hariswhat'll be the corresponding deb-src lines?
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11:41.36Harisunstable/updates?
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11:41.50shitaldutchfish: i will do that
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11:42.19dutchfishshital, http://wiki.debian.org/QuickInstall
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11:42.59shitalsuppose if i want to install only minimal system what i asked above what space on hard drive i should have?
11:43.12harpalshital: you can go for building embedded linux. so in that you have only pakages which you want. means you can add packages what you want
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11:43.32Harisbetter check the ftp
11:43.35Bushmillsshital, a debootstrap minimal installation is a bit less than 200 mb
11:43.38dutchfishshital, not sure about it something around 750mb with some usefull apps, but that can be smaller
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11:43.42Harisoops
11:43.43Bushmillsbut you can bring that down still.
11:43.58Bushmillsa while ago, a minimal system executed from about 50 mb
11:43.59shitalok thank you all
11:44.06dutchfishgl
11:44.15harpalshital: than you have some default commands and other thing less than 10 MB
11:44.54harpalthan you can install more packages, that will increase that size
11:45.07shitalyess definitely
11:45.34harpalbut to run simple linux basic you have less than 10MB
11:45.53shitalohh only that much?? great
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11:46.00timonatordoes aptitude or apt or dpkg save a log of actions somewhere? like "2008-05-01 13:
11:46.11timonator37 installed blah-foo-1.2.3
11:46.13timonator"
11:46.43Bushmillstimonator: /ver/log/dpkg.log
11:46.52timonatoraah, neat, thanks
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11:49.33dutchfishdoes someone know if there is on going work to get avant-window-navigator into bpo?
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11:50.30dutchfish!info avant-window-navigator
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11:51.07dpkgavant-window-navigator: (A MacOS X like panel for GNOME), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.6-4 (sid), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 312 kB
11:51.10Supranook, whatever i broke, it affected also htop
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11:51.45GhostlyDeath|LptI recovered from 20 minutes of being disconnected
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11:54.48rocketmasterhi, anybody else uses k3b to make data dvds and get 100% but read write error and tons of unuseable dvds? is this a common problem? i used fedora 3 before, it worked, now etch and it will only produce special plastic waste
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11:55.45dutchfishrocketmaster, yes, had that too, wich i solved by taken fixed slower speeds wich are sutable for my elcheapo media
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11:56.19rocketmasterdutchfish, but never had that problems before, burniong at 10 or 12x wasnt a problem, now 8x fails
11:56.24dutchfishrocketmaster, since i am on kernel 2.6.25 my usb lightscribe also works
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11:56.34rocketmasterdutchfish, i used 4x and 2x which takes veryyy long, but fails too
11:57.04dutchfishrocketmaster, what cdrom are you use lspci line or lsusb line plz?
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11:57.20rocketmaster2.6.18-6-686 is te one i use, it was installed by debioan itself, so i guess its the latest deboan kernel then?
11:57.34dutchfishrocketmaster, ok, what cdrom?
11:57.43rocketmasterlg dvd writer
11:57.43timonatorwoah.
11:57.58dutchfishrocketmaster, ok, i have kg too, what model?
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11:58.07Hariseither ftp.debian.org is slow or my adsl is not working properly
11:58.08dutchfishs/kg/lg
11:58.11rocketmasterconnected to ide, let me see the model
11:58.23HarisI'm only getting 35 KB/s
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11:58.30Haris16-35 that is
11:58.50Hariswow, alot of people getting klined today
11:58.51pinto3damn that's alot of kellogs
11:58.52timonatorsome admin's pissed off O_O
11:59.37rocketmasterhdc: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4165B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
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12:00.04dutchfishrocketmaster, mine: Bus 003 Device 003: ID 152e:2507 LG (HLDS)
12:00.11rocketmasterbut ouch, seems the ide driver in my kernel doesnt really like my ide controler... odd, it worked rockstable before, but newer kernels seems to be only for very new hardware :((
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12:00.21MiescoIs virtualbox free?
12:00.23Harisdoes etch come with any limitations on bandwidth per session? I'v seen 512 Kbps limits on my linux box, especially when I hook up 2 or ISPs to it
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12:00.55dutchfishrocketmaster, do you have kde or gnome? otherwise gnomebaker has never let me down
12:01.04MiescoK, say I get a new computer with windows vista, can I partition it and install linux?
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12:01.20HarisMiesco: o_O
12:01.24rocketmasterk3b is kde stuff, no i dont use gnome here
12:01.47rose-laptopMiesco: try buy a PC that doesn't have vista alresdy
12:01.55rocketmasterMiesco, put the netinst cd inside and install, choose to use complete disk, get rid of your license :)
12:01.58epsilonMiesco: question is if all hardware is supported by the distro of your choice
12:02.16dutchfishrocketmaster, could be bios related too, if this persist paste a log to pastebin or use a newer kernel like i did
12:02.31epsilonrose-laptop: I bought a acer notebook with pre-installed linux :)
12:02.48rose-laptopwhat I did Miesco was take a live CD and run before I bought PC
12:02.48dutchfishrocketmaster, does dmesg give any usefull hints?
12:02.59rose-laptopepsilon: greta
12:03.04rose-laptopgreat!
12:03.43Hariswhat's a fast mirror for debian in US, EU?
12:03.53Haristhat gives around 200 KB/s
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12:03.58rose-laptopMiesco: also some companies will sell non-os PCs
12:04.08dutchfishHaris, http://www.de.debian.org/dmc/today/
12:04.16pinto3in US i'd use one from california or texas
12:04.31Miescorose-laptop: I looked at ones, like system76, and dell, but I wanted a dell xps 1520, so I had to go with vista
12:04.39pinto3but grab a compass and look for one within your circle :0
12:05.10dutchfishHaris, from germany?
12:05.18rocketmasterdutchfish, yes, i watched dmesg, hdc isn listed in lspci , its an ide drive, only see pci controlers here ;) and dmesg shows me a lot of driver warnings, for ide and sata
12:05.26Miescorocketmaster: Your saying, get rid of windows?
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12:05.37epsilonHaris: almost all should deliver 200K
12:05.38rocketmasterMiesco, exactly
12:05.47dutchfishrocketmaster, you might be better of with a newer kernel from bpo
12:05.55rocketmasterhmmm, bpo?
12:06.05dutchfish!tell rocketmaster about bpo
12:06.18Miescorocketmaster: Okay, good idea, I will do that, but just wondering, with a computer with vista pre-installed, can you install it on a seperate partition?
12:06.21rose-laptopMiesco: I bought a laptop with vista on it - wanted to dual boot, and attempted it with pclos - butt too many  issues.  Usede cfdisk to wipe vista and have pclos now - its great.  You can do same for debian
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12:07.01Miescopclos?
12:07.11MantaarMiesco: PC Linux OS
12:07.12rocketmasterMiesco, in most cases windows wastes the whole disk, so you need to repartition, install windows and install linux, but.... who needs windows?
12:07.20rose-laptopbut I understand there are ways to dualboot vista and linux
12:07.32dutchfishMiesco, you might be better of making an image first, if you have no install media
12:07.59dutchfishMiesco, partimage for example
12:07.59rocketmasterdutchfish, yeah, thanks :) i will try that
12:08.09MiescoI dont want windows anyways, I was just going to use it to try virtualbox
12:08.09dutchfishrocketmaster, yw
12:08.12Harisdutchfish: well, I'm in Pakistan. The closest hop to me is BT or sprint
12:08.21Harisor the Italian company
12:08.21dutchfishHaris, ok
12:08.22Harisseabone
12:08.23rose-laptopMiesco: pclos=Pclinuxos - fantastic distro
12:08.24MiescoWIndows makes me want to cut myself
12:08.49Miescorose-laptop: What distro is it based on?
12:08.51Orion_X11I have a question here: Does any laptop nowadays is fit to put a debian system in it? Or there are some brands that do not accept debian system?
12:09.01dutchfishHaris, there is a debian package wich auto-find the best mirror (forgot name) the closest is not always the best
12:09.14rose-laptopMiesco: I guess mandriva - but very loosley
12:09.16timonatorOrion_X11: the laptops themselves don't reject linux
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12:09.32timonatorOrion_X11: there's only the question of wether or not all hardware is supported by linux
12:10.12Miescorose-laptop: What about the package repirtior
12:10.16dutchfish!info netselect-apt etch
12:10.46the-dudedutchfish: its netselect ;)
12:10.53dpkgnetselect-apt: (Choose the fastest Debian mirror with netselect), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.ds1-10 (etch), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 24 kB
12:11.03rose-laptopMiesco: we should go to #debian-offtopic
12:11.19Harisah, ok
12:12.27Orion_X11timonator: So, how to buy a laptop if you do not know about hardware? People can be deceived if they want linux and have to buy a laptop hardware incompatible. Is there a proper laptop brand which is linux friendly?
12:12.35Harisgetting 38 KB/s from ftp.uk.debian.org, its ping time is 197ms :( Must be my adsl
12:12.46Akuwhow can i use LFS ?  i mean install it
12:13.23idimmui think you should try an easier distro Akuw rather htan LFS
12:13.26MantaarOrion_X11: a good place to start looking for good linux laptops is linux on laptops. See http://linux-laptop.net
12:13.27Akuwand JFS or XFS
12:13.27dutchfishOrion_X11, you could google on linux preinstalled ;) i know some vendoes already have some linux distros preinstalled
12:13.35timonatorOrion_X11: system 76 or so and dell for example sell laptops with linux preinstalled, they are sure to be supported
12:13.43Akuw??
12:13.49timonatorif you'd like a IBM/Lenovo thinkpad, look at the thinkwiki
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12:14.26timonatorotherwise, yeah, google for "linux YOUR_LAPTOP_NAME" and see if people wrote lots of forum/mailinglist posts that sound like "how do i get my YOUR_LAPTOP_NAME to work" or so
12:14.28the-dudethese days any new laptop can run debian
12:14.47stew!laptops
12:14.48dpkgrumour has it, laptop is All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/  For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>
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12:15.00Hariserror I get on apt-get update; aptitude update -> http://pastebin.ca/1003834
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12:15.36stewHaris: get rid of some of the redundant sources
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12:15.54Bushmillsi think Akuw mean "large file support", not "linux from scratch"
12:16.00fastaIs there software to help reverse-engineer Flash swf files?
12:16.20yangTo use wireless with WPA key which things need to be imported into /etc/network/interfaces ?
12:16.21the-dudeHaris: add a line APT::Cache-Limit 20582912; to your apt.conf
12:16.30Akuwyeah i mean Large File Support
12:16.33dutchfishHaris, pfoei, you have mixed stable/unstable, that doesnt look good
12:16.37Bushmillsakuw, i think idimmu thought you meant linux from scratch
12:16.54Akuwfasta : yeah
12:17.22stewHaris: get rid of ftp.debian.org and two of ftp.us, ftp.ch, ftp.uk
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12:17.27fastaAkuw: for example?
12:17.29cahootyang: man interfaces has example
12:17.41BushmillsAkuw: 64bit cpu?
12:17.45dutchfish!info flasm
12:17.47dpkgflasm: (assembler and disassembler for Flash (SWF) bytecode), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.62-2 (sid), Packaged size: 87 kB, Installed size: 236 kB
12:17.49stewHaris: what version of debian are you actually running?  what version of libc6 is installed?
12:17.54Harisetch r3
12:17.58Akuwfasta: wait
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12:18.19stewHaris: why do you have sources for testing and unstable?  did you upgrade some things to testing and unstable?
12:18.30yangcahoot: actually it doesn't...not for wireless, i was looking at "wireless" and "iwconfig" but no examples there
12:18.31martinonlineHello everybody,
12:18.38HarisNope, I want to have a list of all possible package versions :p
12:19.03rose-laptopgidday martinonline
12:19.09HarisI mentioned 3 mirrors for each deb and deb-src
12:19.49yangcahoot: if my wpa key is "something" do i simply enter "wireless-key something" without specifying the wpa mode ?
12:19.56martinonlineI have a question about installing drinvers for my X1950PRO (R570) on Debian4r3. Can I just ask it here
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12:20.31AkuwCore 2 Duo
12:20.31stewHaris: don't add extra sources just to see what versions are avaiable, either use "rmadison packagename" or http://packages.debian.org/packagename
12:20.33Harismartinonline: don't ask to ask, just ask. and then wait for someone to answer
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12:20.54HarisOk
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12:20.59ZacaaHi friends :)
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12:21.39cahootyang: ok I have these 2 lines: iface wlan0 inet dhcp \n  wpa-conf /etc/wpaconf
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12:22.21HarisOk, I commented out unstable and testing, and only left one UK mirror both deb and deb-src
12:22.24Harisnow its ok
12:22.25martinonlineI have a ATI Sapphire X1950PRO graphicscard. I thinkt is a R570. How can i install drivers so i can get the right resolution on my screen. 2D drivers er fine. Theres a link here to a topic i have posted, that maybe will help you answer my question. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=144551#144551
12:22.29GhostlyDeath|LptIs there a command to lock the screen in GNOME?
12:22.34cahootyang: and /etc/wpaconf includes the actual options
12:22.35stewHaris: what version of the libc6 package do you have installed now?
12:22.57Harisii  libc6                              2.3.6.ds1-13etch5
12:22.57rose-laptopmartinonline: these groups don't require usual etiquette.  Just ask your question
12:23.26Harisdev and shared libs too
12:23.58ZacaaI've made a boo boo, can anyone help? I've set full transparency to my xfce desktop interface by accideny, so when I enable composition in my xorg.conf and load up xfce I can't see anything as it's all set to transparent. Is there anyway that I could reset these settings to defualt or edit a config file to fix them?
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12:25.59Worfdoes one know what kind of shell that minimal shell in initrd is? ( this < 50kb thing )
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12:26.54dutchfishGhostlyDeath, you could use gnome-screensaver and create a hotkey-sequence for its locker
12:26.59MiescoIf KDE 4 is stable, how come its not available?
12:27.09MantaarWorf: do you mean busybox?
12:27.20rose-laptoptroll?
12:27.47MantaarMiesco: KDE4 is not stable. It is considered alpha tatus and only available in experimental.
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12:28.02WorfMantaar: nope, not busybox
12:28.06GhostlyDeath|Lptdutchfish: Want to use the terminal, then make a script to lock it though
12:28.28dutchfishGhostInTheShell, only the terminal or Gnome?
12:28.36extorCan someone explain to me what the deal is with "multiplexing"? What exactly are these two servers multiplexing, and why do none of the other servers offer the multiplexing feature?
12:28.37extoraXes Web Server is a fast, secure, non-blocking, multiplexing 4th generation HTTP 1.1 server for the IBM iSeries (AS/400) with integrated Website acceleration technology and FastCGI support.
12:29.14extorPremium thttpd is a fast, secure, non-blocking, multiplexing web server. It leverages operating system optimizations and O(1) algorithms for all common operations.
12:29.28martinonlineDoes anyone here have any experince with ATI R570. I need some help installing ATI drivers on Debian 4r3
12:30.02Akuwi am looking for an application i run 3 weeks ago, but can't find in the history
12:30.15Akuwhow can i know the name o that app
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12:30.57dutchfishAkuw, if its still installed dpkg -l | less (and browse through the list)
12:31.33stewAkuw: if you know about when you installed it, you could perhaps find it in /var/log/dpkg.log* or /var/log/aptitude*
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12:32.10dutchfishAkuw, or use package-search to search with nice options to narrow it down
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12:34.23Akuwi don't know if is a binary one
12:34.32martinonlinePlease help me through a installation of ATI drivers on Debian. R570 aka X1950PRO
12:34.35Akuwi think wasn't installed using dpkg
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12:34.59dutchfishAkuw, that makes no dif with my suggestions, both work
12:35.14Akuwok
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12:35.56dutchfishAkuw, unless it was a raw executable, wich you didnt install but just put it somewhere (bad bad)
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12:37.44martinonlineI would be very happy if someone could help me answering this question i have posted. I getting tired of 800x600px on my 24" --> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=144551#144551
12:38.26abrotmanmartinonline: how big are the icons? :)
12:38.52dutchfishmartinonline, i am not shure if i can help, but what does lspci say about your card?
12:38.57abrotmanmartinonline: does the driver at ati.com support that card?
12:38.58martinonlineenormous
12:39.16abrotmanmartinonline: i'm 99.99% certian the fglrx in etch won't support that card
12:39.19Mantaar!tell martinonline about fglrx
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12:39.37Mantaarabrotman: they don't?
12:39.45abrotmanMy graphicscard is a ATI: 'Sapphire X1950PRO'.
12:39.47abrotmantht one?
12:39.55dutchfishabrotman, the newest kernel do have support now (elementary) for newer ati's
12:39.59abrotmanmartinonline: try what Mantaar said first .. if that fails, use the one from ati.com
12:40.02rose-laptopdoes that mean etch doesn't suport older cards?
12:40.03ProN00bwhat kernel ver does etch have ?
12:40.12abrotmanrose-laptop: isn't that x1950 a pretty new card?
12:40.20streuner2.6.18
12:40.20abrotmanProN00b: 2.6.18-6-<arch>
12:40.38streunerProN00b: why?
12:40.46rose-laptopabrotman: I would be installing to an old pc - asking for myslef!
12:40.46martinonlineabrotman: Its my card, ATI X1950PRO.. Its pretty new yeah.
12:40.49ProN00bwhut
12:40.54ProN00bso old ?
12:40.56abrotmanrose-laptop: oh .. depends on your card
12:41.09streunerProN00b: don't troll
12:41.11abrotmanProN00b: that's how debian/stable works .. but a newer kernel for etchnhalf is in the works
12:41.21martinonlinewhy should I installa debian on my old PC, wants it on my desktopmachine
12:41.23streunerProN00b: there are also backports available
12:41.40abrotmanrose-laptop: which card do you have?
12:41.46dutchfishrose-laptop, most older ati cards are supported out of the box, but not all have native hardware accelaration support
12:41.48rose-laptopabrotman: need to do some research - attempted install of 40r on 26 went quite well for a long while
12:41.58streunerProN00b: backports.org has newer kernel for example
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12:42.12Mantaarmartinonline: if you want to have support for newer hardware, I think you should consider using testing (lenny)...
12:42.17rose-laptopthen got a very flickering desktop and couldn't do anything with it
12:42.35martinonlineMantaar, allright
12:42.46martinonlineCan't i just use RadeonHD drivers?
12:42.48dutchfishrose-laptop, i myself used 7xxx and 9xxx alot, they all work nicely
12:43.04martinonlinehttp://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd#head-cc89624fd96105127892119323e209b3d80e137d
12:43.17rose-laptopdutchfish: I think when try new install will look at parameters for hardware
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12:43.55rose-laptophave had DSL going on same hardware
12:43.57Mantaarmartinonline: I'm not sure. My only ATI card is a rage128 ;-) But if you want support for most functionality and high resolutions you might find that fglrx works better for you.
12:44.06dutchfishrose-laptop, yes, the installer i quiet capable, but you nee dmost of the time tweak with /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:44.08Mantaarat least for now...
12:44.14abrotmanMantaar: how do you handle all the power of a rage128?
12:44.22martinonlineIf you have any solution for my with my X1950PRO card on Debian - please anwser here http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=144551#144551 - can't command all the anwsers here on IRC
12:44.37abrotman!tell martinonline about fglrx one-liner
12:44.43Mantaarabrotman: I can barely take it. But it's enough for a mostly headless server.
12:44.43rose-laptopsometimes I wonder why I have this compulsion to get Linux going on machines my friends have discarded!
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12:45.11dutchfishrose-laptop, :)
12:45.46dutchfishrose-laptop, actually fiddling with the newer mac models,mac-miniworked out excellent with debian
12:45.46rose-laptopits not as though I am Linux or even PC knowledgeable
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12:46.17Mantaarrose-laptop: You're infected. Try to keep the situation from deteriorating. I'm at the point where I want to get plan9 to run on every piece of hardware I encounter.
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12:46.28rose-laptopdutchfish: no experience with mac - is it the new PC as claimed in some circles?
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12:46.35abrotmanMantaar: a friend of mine has plan9(i think) on his DS
12:46.55dutchfishrose-laptop, many of my friends started to install debian on them
12:47.07rose-laptopMantaar: I manage to overcome it for long periods of time! :)
12:47.10Mantaarabrotman: Good thing I don't have a DS. Otherwise my afternoon would be lost again.
12:47.13dutchfishrose-laptop, with agood succes rate
12:47.27martinonlineWhich graphicscard can i when buy and get out of the box support for my 24" screen in Debian
12:48.02dutchfishmartinonline, many,hold on i give you a link in a sec
12:48.09rose-laptopmy friends hear the word Linux and freak - as I did many years ago.  Now I approach from environmental aspect
12:48.27abrotmanmartinonline: likely no discrete card will do that .. since you're mostly dealing with ati/nvidia .. the "best" cards to work out of the box are usually intel
12:48.36Mantaarmartinonline: If you really wanna go to such lengths, I'd suggest using NVidia. Their binary drivers seem to be quite OK for now.
12:48.39rose-laptopand that has support even tho still freaked by the L word!
12:49.01martinonlinedutchfish: Cool! It would be worth buying a linuxcompatable card.. Hate all that researching on my card everytime i wanna try a distrubution
12:49.21Mantaarmartinonline: but onfortunately there is no way of getting high end graphics support on Linux without using proprietary graphics drivers for no.
12:49.30Mantaar(I don't consider Intel to be high-end.)
12:49.31rose-laptopwhat I think is - just install it and provide GUI.  Users don't know that its Linux?
12:50.01dutchfishmartinonline, http://www.free3d.org/ i could not find nvidia links, most intel cards are supported out of the box too
12:51.07rose-laptopI gave an old PC to someone who has never used one - has Vectorlinux on it - they don't know its Linux - but they play the games!
12:51.24rose-laptopwhich is all they want at present
12:51.44martinonlinedutchfish: Those cards that works looks quite old. I have a ATI 9200, but its not PCI-EXPRESS.
12:52.04ProN00bso whats the lenny kernel version ?
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12:52.22abrotman2.6.24
12:52.25abrotman!pdo
12:52.25dpkghttp://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents.  Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts.  Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/
12:52.29ProN00bniceo
12:52.31dutchfishmartinonline, i use 9100igp (embedded) and even run compiz/compiz-fusion on it, its fast enough for me :)
12:53.05dutchfishmartinonline, it all depends on what you want to do with it
12:53.43ProN00bpage is a bit confusing, where do i get a netinstall image for lenny ?
12:53.52martinonlinedutchfish, I just want 2D, maybe a little 3D. - But i only have PCI-EXPRESS on my MSI P35 motherboard.. not AGP
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12:53.59dutchfishmartinonline, for +90% you dont need all that bloated graphic power anyway
12:54.28stewProN00b: there is an early beta of the lenny installer at http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer ; if you don't want to be a beta tester, use an etch netinst and upgrade to lenny post-install
12:54.34martinonlinedutchfish: Thats right, but I need the card to support PCI-Express.. you see?
12:54.39ShaiDoes anyone know how to handle a software install that hangs during the dpkg part of the process? I'm conrolled-c out of it, tried to remove and purge it but it hangs all the way around.
12:55.08dutchfishmartinonline, but if you want gaming on it on the edge you will have to use those dreathfull prop drivers, too bad
12:55.15stewShai: fix the problems in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.{pre,post}inst
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12:55.32martinonlinedutchfish: Jep, I see. I do not need to play games.
12:56.08martinonlinedutchfish: I think 2D i enougt for me
12:56.40ProN00bis there a way to install over the network ? like have the installer throw up a telnetd or sshd up ?
12:57.00dutchfishmartinonline, maybe you go shopping with a linux live-cd, like i always do ;)
12:57.01martinonlinedutchfish: My motherboard only support PCI-EXPRESS (even 2 slots :P - but i don't need anykind of SLI or CROSSFIRE) and thats maybe only for Windows users..
12:57.24stewProN00b: yes, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole
12:57.27MantaarShai: what package are you trying to install? You should check BTS if there are any bugs filed against it.
12:57.30Shaistew - I don't understand what you mean. I looked at the files in that directory. They're scripts.
12:57.35fastaHeh, I found a Windows Flash decompiler (running in Wine now). Pretty sweet :)
12:57.49martinonlinedutchfish: I purchase the graphicscard only.. I can't test with a LiveCD
12:57.51stewShai: yes, they are likely the scripts that are being run when dpkg hangs
12:58.04ProN00bstew, aweasome, thanks
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12:58.27martinonlinedutchfish: I'm going to shop online..
12:58.31dutchfishmartinonline, ok
12:58.33Shaistew - are you indicating I should run the scripts?
12:58.40orveldvguys, help me to figure out smth: I'm running Sarge, I read there is no mplayer for sarge, yet aptitude lists some packages when I search for "mplayer" ; and I don't have debain-multimedia in my sources.list ; are these results ghosts?
12:58.59abrotmanorveldv: you get something like mplayer-mozilla ?
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12:59.07stewShai: not directly, no.  dpkg is running them.  if you are asking what you should do to get the package installed,  those scripts would need to be fixed
12:59.16stewShai: have you checked the bts?
12:59.23Shaibts?
12:59.29martinonlinedutchfish: Do you know any PCI-EXPRESS cards that have out-of-the-box support for Linux.. Need to run this resolution: '1920x1200px'
12:59.46Mantaar!tell martinonline about bts
12:59.51orveldvabrotman: a lot of results, like mplayer-386,586,686,k6,nogui and so on
12:59.53stewShai: /msg dpkg bts
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12:59.59dutchfishmartinonline, no, i dont (apart from th elinks i gave you)
13:00.01pinto3my 7900gs worked with nv drivers, the card fan ran full speed the whole time though
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13:00.06stewShai: what package is this?  what version of debian are you running?
13:00.07pinto3at 1024/768
13:00.32Shaiah, thanks I'll look over it.
13:00.47sChaaahola
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13:01.52abrotmanorveldv: i'd guess at one point you had the marillat sources
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13:02.38dutchfishmartinonline, another hint, here is a list of some linux desktop vendors wich you might delve into: http://www.linux.org/vendor/system/desktop.html
13:03.12orveldvabrotman: no, it's strange, this is a fresh sarge install, I didn't have anything related to mplayer; and in my sources.list there are only sarge and sarge/updates entries
13:03.31liablesarge?
13:03.40orveldvliable: yep
13:03.55liablewhy on earthe are you installing sarge?
13:03.59abrotmanorveldv: can you paste your sources somewhere
13:04.07orveldvliable: old machine
13:04.12abrotmanhow old ?
13:04.18steworveldv: why are you installing sarge on an old machine?
13:04.23liablemy question still stands.
13:04.48rose-laptopstew: whats best for old machines?
13:04.55stewrose-laptop: stable
13:05.00abrotmanrose-laptop: there's no security for sarge anymore
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13:05.12orveldvstew: lack of hard disk space
13:05.14rose-laptopstable?
13:05.19abrotmanorveldv: can you give us system specs?
13:05.20stewrose-laptop: yes, stable
13:05.22abrotmanrose-laptop: etch/stable
13:05.23steworveldv: how much?
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13:05.35rose-laptopetch - okay that's what I have
13:05.50liablei doubt hard drive space is a factor
13:06.00rose-laptopattempted install on 266 - all went well
13:06.27orveldvabrotman: sources.list: http://rafb.net/p/ODBiGo17.html
13:06.32rose-laptopuntil reboot then got flickering lines
13:06.34orveldvstew: 600 Mb
13:06.44steworveldv: that's enough to install etch
13:06.51abrotmanway more than enough
13:07.20steworveldv: mplayer was not in sarge becuase the upstream sources for mplayer contain non-free software
13:07.29abrotmanorveldv: what software do you want to put on the box? stuff like X or just apache or somethign ?
13:07.30dutchfishlooks at his IBM XT and the big block with a label on it 20mb
13:07.51stewdutchfish: yeah, you aren't going to get linux to install on that no matter how big your hard drive is
13:07.56orveldvstew: yeah I know the story, I was just courios about those aptitude results
13:08.04abrotmandutchfish: when i worked at Uni .. we had a prof who didn't want to give up his XT for a PII
13:08.09dutchfishstew, its running linux :)
13:08.15steworveldv: if you know the story,  why is it strange?
13:08.16abrotmandutchfish: elks?
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13:08.19stewdutchfish: its not an XT then
13:08.33azeemmaybe dutchfish is talking about an XP
13:08.35azeem:P
13:08.37dutchfishabrotman, yep orginal 1st european import machine i could get my hands on back then
13:08.58liablei love the obscure reasons why people wont do x because of y we get here occasionaly
13:08.59orveldvabrotman: it's more like an experiment, a sarge box with xfce3 fro woody and gtk1 based apps (at that time): xmms,gqview,xchat,gkrellm :-)
13:09.08the-dudedutchfish: which kernel?
13:09.13dutchfish1.01R1
13:09.19orveldvs/fro/from
13:09.21the-dudenice :)
13:09.39dutchfishah nostalgia, so sweet
13:09.43abrotmanorveldv: as long as you know that there is *zero* security support for sarge now
13:10.06liableand little hope of support here as well.
13:10.29the-dudehas alot of old hardware
13:10.52jelly-homekeeps himself from typing !alot
13:10.59orveldvbut isn't oldstable still supported / updated for security only?
13:11.06liableno
13:11.08steworveldv: not anymore
13:11.13jelly-homeorveldv: not since 2008-03-31
13:11.22orveldvoh I see
13:11.44liablereally?
13:11.49orveldvwell, I guess I'll keep it rather closed
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13:13.37orveldvand btw, I found some mplayer debs for sarge at http://tonelli.sns.it/pub/mplayer/sarge/?M=D ; is there some better place?
13:13.58steworveldv: the better place is to upgrade to etch and get them from debian directly
13:14.22orveldvstew: yeah I heard you guys ; ok :-)
13:14.42dutchfishabrotman, i wonder if CP/M can be emulated in debian
13:15.03abrotmandutchfish: uhm ..
13:15.10orveldvstew: but does etch come with a 2.4 kernel? I need it, it's faster
13:15.15stewdutchfish: while read a ; do sleep 300 ; echo Command Not Found ; done
13:15.15dutchfishabrotman, got this old bondwell
13:15.19orveldvfor old machines
13:15.30steworveldv: no, 2.4 kernels are no longer supported by debian
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13:15.36dutchfishstew, :) nice
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13:15.58orveldvstew: ok then, I'll stick with sarge ... :-/
13:16.01abrotmandutchfish: there's a channel for classic computing
13:16.12dutchfishabrotman, oh really?
13:16.17azeemorveldv: you can get etch to work with 2.4 if you know what your're doing, but it's unsupported
13:16.42abrotmandutchfish: #classiccmp
13:16.51dutchfishabrotman, thank you very much!
13:17.24dtatulea_Hi.I've got one little issue. When my computer is low on battery it enters suspend mode, but I can't get it out of it. I have a macbook, that doesn;t have any resume or wake up key. What should I do?
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13:17.47orveldvazeem: yep, I'm used to these things (coming from gentoo), but I sort of lack time (and an old box doesn't deserve so much attention) :)
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13:17.52liablebuy a thinkpad?
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13:18.24azeemdtatulea_: check tuxmobile or linux-laptop for hints on your model, aybe
13:18.26azeemmaybe*
13:18.59dutchfishdtatulea_, the newer kernels support the wakeup with the powerbutton
13:19.17dutchfishdtatulea_, at the top of my head since 2.6.24
13:19.25abrotmanthe old ones do too IIRC
13:19.43dutchfishabrotman, not 2.6.18 on a mac
13:19.49dtatulea_dutchfish: I have 2.6.24.4, but when pressing the power button it restarts.
13:20.03dutchfishdtatulea_, you have to configure it
13:20.30abrotmandutchfish: i thought you meant in general .. sorry
13:20.32disposableis there any lightweight alternative to openssh-server? i don't see point in having to install x11-common or cpp-4.2 just to have a ssh server.
13:20.32liablelook in /etc/acpi/actions
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13:21.08Wyzarddisposable: x11-common is probably for SSH's X-tunneling support
13:21.09dutchfishabrotman, np
13:21.15orveldvabrotman, azeem, stew, liable, jelly-home: thank for the help
13:21.18corNIClast few times i installed debian it didn't even have sshd installed by default is that normal?
13:21.35dtatulea_dutchfish: There is only one action for the powerbutton.
13:21.39disposableWyzard: i know what it's for but i won't ever use -X option. it's a server.
13:22.06stew!info x11-common
13:22.11dpkgx11-common: (X Window System (X.Org) infrastructure), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.3+10 (sid), Packaged size: 337 kB, Installed size: 720 kB
13:22.16dutchfishdtatulea_, i am not on my mac right now, i have to look it up, but i sure it can be done, i id
13:22.21stewdisposable: its only 720k
13:22.31dutchfishs/id/did
13:22.54dtatulea_dutchfish: Where can I get more info on it?
13:23.01Wyzardlooks like x11-common just contains some manpages, rgb.txt, and some scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
13:23.09disposablestew: it's not just that, i see no reason why ssh server should come with 13MB of dependencies.
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13:23.44corNICdisposable just use telnet then :P
13:24.06disposablecorNIC: I'll need ssh for tunnels
13:24.11dutchfishdtatulea_, half way in the doc: http://www.puchalla-online.de/nx6325.html
13:24.19disposablecorNIC: to run telnet securely
13:24.20stewdisposable: then you can recompile the package yourself without the dependencies you don't need
13:24.25corNICdisposable i was joking :P
13:24.36Wyzarddisposable: because the dependencies are needed for a variety of features that many people find useful, even if you don't happen to need them
13:24.38dutchfishdtatulea_, crtl F Suspend to RAM
13:24.44Wyzarddisposable: if you want a smaller SSH server, try dropbear
13:24.45disposablecorNIC: i realise that.
13:25.20liabledropbear reminds me of a bundy rum advert
13:25.25dtatulea_dutchfish: Thanks.
13:25.30dutchfishdtatulea_, yw
13:25.43disposableWyzard: yes, i've just found it on freshmeat.net i don't know why i couldn't see it in apt-cache search
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13:26.19Wyzarddisposable: It's packaged in etch
13:26.47disposableWyzard: i've installed it now. thanks
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13:31.26pppagIs there a way to exclude certain packages on dist-upgrade?
13:31.42stewpppag: /msg dpkg hold
13:31.43dutchfishsays yohoo, got latencytop ported back to etch, its working now :)
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13:32.31pppagstew: u sure this works with dist-upgrade too?
13:32.41pppagThought it only did for upgrading
13:33.12azeempppag: why don't you try before you doubt our advice?
13:33.38pppagThis means it does , thanks. Could I use wajig for that too?
13:34.09dethstaranyone know which drivers I need for an 8800GTS?
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13:34.25azeempppag: we don't use wajig a lot, check its documentation
13:34.34pppagwill do
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13:44.13rose-laptopact I am sure, with time that I could
13:45.03arcskyI configured on my apache2 a basic authentication, now i want when i login to it i want it to have a startpage test.php anyone know how i can do that ?
13:45.14arcskyDirectoryIndex test.php didnt work
13:45.51WyzardDirectoryIndex test.php is the right thing to do
13:46.53Wyzard"didn't work" in what way?
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13:48.26WyzardThere should be an existing DirectoryIndex line that mentions things like index.html and index.php
13:48.33WyzardAdd test.php to that line
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13:48.49Wyzard(or just rename your file to index.php...  why do you want "test" to be your default filename?
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13:49.09arcskywelcome.php ;)
13:49.27Mantaarls
13:49.34Mantaar... wrong window... -.-
13:49.49arcskyWyzard: im little refused about httpd.conf apache2.conf and those files in sites-available sites-enabled
13:49.57arcskyconfused*
13:50.11yangI have troubles setting up PSK2 wireless connection - here is what i did http://openpaste.org/en/6350/
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13:50.25hellueshey
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13:50.50helluesmy wireless doesnt work i do everything that i have to
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13:51.24Mantaararcsky: httpd.conf is the place for your own customizations. apache2.conf is the Debian conf. don't touch it. site-available are sample configs you can put into sites-enabled (symlink) to enable their functionality
13:51.25helluesi am installing firmware-iwlwifi i n have linux-image-2.6.24-1 and its sources and its headers
13:51.38Wyzardarcsky: The things in sites-enabled are for name-based virtual hosting...  if you're not doing virtual hosting, just use the "default" site
13:51.41helluesand modprobe mac80211
13:51.49helluesbut doesnt work what can reason be
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13:52.58cahoothellues: you only should need modprobe iwl3945 (or whatever)
13:53.17helluesmy wireless iwl 4965
13:53.31cahoothellues: you only should need modprobe iwl4965 then
13:53.41hellueshm
13:53.56cahootmac80211 gets pulled automagically
13:54.07arcskydoes it do the symlinks automatically ?
13:54.09cahoot(or should be)
13:54.29arcskyi did some conf in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default now
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13:55.11helluesmodprobe mac80211 doesnnt work i did modprobe iwl4965
13:55.12yangcahoot: whenever i enter the iwcnfig key s:password it turns into a long hex key...
13:55.37JckfCan I on a regular basis backup my whole file system (all partitions) to a secondary drive of the same size as my main drive?
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13:55.47JckfAutomatically that is
13:56.07cahootyang: well I put it in my wpa config as psk="mysecretkey"
13:56.37yangcahoot: i think that wireless setup on debian wiki is wrong...well it doesnt work for me
13:56.53cahootthat's what works for me
13:56.54arcskyNameVirtualHost *:80
13:56.54arcsky<virtualhost *:80> ServerAdmin webmaster@localhost
13:56.57yangcahoot: there are options being set with "set" which gives erorous value
13:57.02arcskyups
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13:57.27cahootyang: I use wpa_supplicant via interfaces
13:57.28arcskyWyzard: http://pastebin.com/m6e41ca34
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13:57.57yangcahoot: for example i cannot use iwpriv wlan0 set WPAPSK="mykey"
13:58.32cahootyang: as I said I use wpa_supplicant, never got the hang of iwlist et al
13:58.36yangcahoot: how can you use wpa_suppluicant
13:59.06cahootyang: I posted you the two lines a couple of hours ago
13:59.21yangdo you have it shared on your router as wpa or psk or psk2 ?
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14:00.19Phil4anyone know why /proc/cpuinfo would report a 2.8GHz Athlon 64 x2 5600+ as clocking at 1GHz?
14:00.50cahootyang: wpa-psk IIRC
14:01.48stewPhil4: if frequency scaling is enabled?
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14:02.23Phil4how would I find this out, stew?
14:03.05stewPhil4: "lsmod | grep cpu"
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14:03.36firedemonwhy not 'cat /proc/cpuinfo'
14:03.49Phil4http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=1067 <-- stew
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14:04.37stewPhil4: yes, clearly frequency scaling is enabled
14:04.38Phil4stew, is that anything to worry about?
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14:04.38stewPhil4: no, its a good thing
14:04.38Phil4ok
14:05.14Phil4thanks :)
14:05.29yangcahoot: were you talking about that i need package wpasupplicant firt on pc to be able to use pks2 connection ?
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14:05.45Phil4now, my issue from yesterday: http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/?id=1060 <-- ??
14:06.13cahootyang: I only told you what I use to get it working
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14:06.46cahootyang: i e wpasupplicant
14:06.59yangcahoot: yes, i dont have wpasupplicant package installed yet
14:07.46stewPhil4: if you do something cpu intensive, like compile, you should see the cpu frequency get scaled up to meet demand
14:08.15Phil4and other times, it's doing its bit for Germany's emmision cuts?
14:08.16Phil4haha
14:08.30stewsomething like that
14:08.39stewkeeping things cooler as well
14:08.40Phil4stew, any idea on that pastebin link?
14:08.58vanksiare there any good open source alternatives to lotus sametime and such?
14:08.59stewPhil4: what exactly is your question?
14:09.14Phil4stew, what is causing all of that crap and, how do I stop it
14:09.29stewPhil4: does it do the same if you run "LANG=C chsh phil"?
14:09.45Phil4works
14:09.55stewPhil4: try "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
14:10.08stewPhil4: (then log out and back in, and try again)
14:10.37Phil4just enable en GB utf8, stew?
14:11.40Phil4I assume not as that didn't make a difference
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14:12.34stewPhil4: what does "echo $LANG" say?
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14:12.56Phil4stew, en_GB.UTF-8
14:13.06stewPhil4: i don't know then
14:13.30Phil4could try changing it to non unicode?
14:14.31Phil4no worko :(
14:14.51Phil4just get ? rather than all the crap now
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14:20.41yangcahoot: where is your wpa_supplicant.conf located?
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14:21.02cahootyang: ok I have these 2 lines: iface wlan0 inet dhcp \n  wpa-conf /etc/wpaconf
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14:22.26yangok and thbe rest, sorry to bother you again, your previous paste dissapeared
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14:22.46cahootyang: and /etc/wpaconf includes the actual options
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14:22.53yangok
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14:23.44yangcould you upload the wpaconf config to openpaste.org
14:23.52cahootok
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14:25.23cahootyang: http://paste.debian.net/1964/
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14:32.27pinto3any of you guys tweaked card fans manually?  what software would let me do this on a pcie nvidia card?
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14:32.41pinto3i see software for ati cards but not nvidia
14:32.50MantaarI'd install a paper clip.
14:33.29MantaarMaybe you will find nvclock useful.
14:33.42Mantaar!nvclock
14:33.50yangcahoot: ecellent it works now  !
14:33.52pinto3might have options in it, ty
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14:34.10pinto3i just needed something for interfacing with a non-nvidia driver
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14:38.34ramribeiro_somebody already install debian etch on PowerPc, G3?
14:38.59abrotman!ppc
14:38.59dpkgmethinks ppc is is short for <powerpc>, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/ or visit #debianppc
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14:39.48ramribeiro_thanks.
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14:40.20abrotmanramribeiro_: that URL has a few links about certain PPC machines .. though i think mostly G4
14:40.20ramribeiro_i have tried the iso CD for ppc, and i have some problems on partition step
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14:41.36ramribeiro_i'm reading now
14:43.15yangcahoot: does psk have a limit of maximum lenght of the paswod
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14:46.51jaggz-I don't have a remote-access card in my server.. but is there a way I can have it boot and have networking (and sshd) come up even if other partition's FS's are damaged (and need fsck'ing)?
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14:49.26mickyany ideas of an application which can undo a mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1 ? the partition was and still is ext3
14:50.00abrotmanundo why?
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14:50.39mickybecause that partition contained the backup of the system.. and the system is not there anymore
14:50.50abrotmanso you just formatted your backup?
14:51.28mickyi'm abit more wise than that.. but my firend supposed that was the "mount" command
14:52.04epsilonmkfs should only overwrite the index, and not the data?
14:52.23justnutshow will rsync work if i were to rsync a vm disk that's constantly changing? is there an alternative way to backup a vm disk / any file that's big and constantly changing?
14:52.49mickyit doesnt rewrite data, i'm using a backup application that sees the files on that partition.. but no filenames
14:52.50epsilonlvm snapshot
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14:53.44abrotman!info mondo etch
14:54.01abrotmandpkg: bot?
14:54.01dpkgI ain't no stinkin' bot.  I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool.  Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
14:54.10mickyany idea if that index portion of the ext3 filesystem could be restored somehow ?
14:54.15dpkgmondo: (powerful disaster recovery suite), section utils, is optional. Version: 2.20-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 420 kB, Installed size: 1140 kB
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14:57.18justnutsepsilon: taking the idea lvm snapshot one step further. it should work for vmware if i were to snapshot the vm and back it up.  i will most likely checkout lvm snapshot. thx
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15:04.42karstenhey
15:04.50karstenquick question:
15:05.20karstenis it possible to exclude files from being installed by dh_install in the resspective foo.install file?
15:05.23karstensay
15:05.32lvlefistohow do i add the testing lenny repository to download a binary?
15:05.38abrotmanlvlefisto: to do what?
15:05.52lvlefistommm, sorry for my english
15:06.00lvlefistoi want the testing version of gdb
15:06.13karstenlvlefisto: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
15:06.16lvlefistobut is not listed in synaptic
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15:06.27abrotman!tell lvlefisto about ssb
15:06.30karstenlvlefisto: then add 'testing' lines there
15:06.30stewkarsten: try -Xfilename
15:06.38abrotmanlvlefisto: or migrate your whole system to lenny .. up to you
15:06.47lvlefistothanks!
15:06.47karstenstew: in the foo.install file?
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15:06.56karstenstew: I'm using cdbs
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15:07.06gmchi all, to install ndiswrapper module i'm trying to install linux-headers-2.6.25-1-686, but get: linux-headers-2.6.25-1-686: Depends: linux-kbuild-2.6.25 but it is not installable
15:07.09stewkarsten: oh, i thought you meant to exclude something that was included in .install
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15:07.16gmcwhat does it mean? i'm a debian newbie, used to other distro's
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15:07.21karstenstew: well... sort of :)
15:07.44abrotmangmc: where'd you get that kernel ?
15:07.54karstenstew: I'd like to specify installing a directories per se, and just exclude one in there from installation
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15:08.01eleckttrussi have a problem with kde
15:08.05gmcftp.debian.org apparently.. apt-get install linux-image-2.6.25-686
15:08.06eleckttrussand with firefox
15:08.15karstenstew: not having to specify everything that is in the dir I want to install
15:08.25abrotmangmc: you probably sohuldn't be running unstable
15:08.31stewkarsten: you can let dh_install install them, then remove them with rm
15:08.38karstenoh yea
15:08.42gmcabrotman: probably, i'm not the one who installed this box (is a simple xmame box in an arcade)..
15:08.55gmcdo i have to reinstall the whole thing if i want to run stable?
15:09.00karstenstew: thanks. sometimes I don't think straight enough :)
15:09.04abrotmangmc: yes, paste your sources.list somewhere
15:09.08stewkarsten: or ditch cdbs :)
15:09.13clarityhey, after i install xen and boot the host, I have all this output (kernel?) to whatever tty i'm on... is there a way to stop that?
15:09.24karstenstew: got a recommendation?
15:09.27eleckttrussPeople i have a problem with firefox, is slow on internet to open the fucking google i need like 5min i dont know why
15:09.42cahootipv6 interfering?
15:10.00gmcabrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/1003960, would it be enough to just change 'unstable' to 'stable' and 'apt-get upgrade' ??
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15:10.27gmcabrotman: scratch that last comment..
15:10.44rhineheart_mhello.. how to grep squirrelmail in httpd.conf?
15:11.17stewkarsten: debhelper v7?
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15:11.57JoelitoWhat's the best way to get the compiz package, from the testing repos or from the shame repos?
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15:12.34rhineheart_mmy squirrelmail dir is located here: /etc/squirrelmail
15:12.38stewkarsten: (see joeyh's blog entries: http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/ aobut debhelper 7.0.0)
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15:13.55abrotmangmc: try an aptitude update && aptitude install <whatever>
15:14.08karstenstew: awesome. thanks for that!
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15:14.43abrotmanrhineheart_m: grep squirrel /etc/apache2/httpd.conf .. or wherever
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15:16.44SQLDbhmm, anyone else on unstable having an issue with perl being held back, and synaptic wanting to uninstall most of X/
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15:17.33hoxuhas gdm in unstable changed so that it now switches to first login if you try to log the same user again?
15:17.37stewSQLDb: perl 5.10 transition just started
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15:19.29gmcabrotman: i don't think that really did anything, it outputs loads of info, but in the end nothing gets installed
15:19.45abrotmangmc: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6-686 .. says what ?
15:19.58eleckttrusswicth DNS i need to use to be like a little be more fast
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15:20.25gmcabrotman: Unable to resolve dependencies!  Giving up...
15:20.37hoxueleckttruss, dnsmasq?
15:20.37abrotmangmc: does it say why?
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15:21.30gmcabrotman: i think so, yes, it says this package has unmet dependencies: linux-headers-2.6-686: Depends: linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 which is a virtual package
15:21.39exposeI need german umlauts on a us-kbd on a regular basis - what to do?
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15:22.17abrotmangmc: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.25-1-686 ?
15:22.35abrotmangmc: yes, okay ... http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-headers-2.6.25-1-686
15:22.40abrotmangmc: see the missing package ?
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15:23.22gmcabrotman: well, i'm not too attached to 2.6.25 anyway, if that's not fully supported yet..
15:23.38gmcit's just that apt-get-install linux-image showed me that as a possible candidate
15:23.45abrotmanyou can try to get the 2.6.24 if it's still in sid
15:23.56gmcnext to 2.6.18, which i already had but which is too old.. so now i'm torn between a kernel that's too old and one that is too new :)
15:24.06amphiexpose: use multi_key an digraphs, eg multi_key " u for ü
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15:25.03stewgmc: what is wrong with using 2.6.24 until kbuild for 2.6.25 is uploaded?
15:25.22gmcstew: that apt-get doesn't show it as an install candidate? how would i install it??
15:25.26abrotman.24 is not in sid anymore .. he'd have to pull from lenny
15:25.30stewgmc: from testing
15:25.52exposeamphi: is that an xorg.conf option?
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15:25.59gmcok, this is all a bit over my head.. i know nothing about debian.. so lenny/sid are version notifiers or something?
15:26.25gmcand sid is old? lenny is new? can i upgrade to lenny easily?
15:26.29abrotman!releases
15:26.29dpkgfrom memory, releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases.  see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases
15:26.47stewgmc: yes, lenny is 'testing' which will be the next release of debian.  sid is 'unstable' which is where development of debian happens and is really only meant for devlopers and testers.  you should not be running unstable
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15:27.06stewgmc: lenny is older than sid.  no, you can upgrade to lenny
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15:27.18stewgmc: no you CAN'T upgrade to lenny, i mean.
15:27.29stewgmc: lenny package versions are less than or equal to sid
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15:28.00rhineheart_mI just installed squirrelmail using apt-get install squirrelmail command.. but it won't show up.. I'm in virtualmin and debian environment.. users are located in the home dir
15:28.03gmcok.. according to /etc/debian_version, i am using lenny.. or is that file not authorative?
15:28.23gmcstew: so the question should be whether i can downgrade to lenny..?
15:28.37unstableok, heres what I got. I have this debian server in my office..in a room in the corner..away from people. And there is this keyboard attached to it, that someone keeps taking in the morning..and returning at night. So I have this natively/by default linux kernel compatible web camera, I wanted to attach to this. There is a "motion" program listed in apt-cache search, it's pretty neat..if a certain amount of pixels change, it takes a picture. and saves i
15:28.38amphiexpose: you can use xmodmap to set a keycode to multi_key; ie. use right windows key here, "xmodmap -e 'keycode 227 = Multi_key'"
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15:28.44madclickerhi, if i make changes in /etc/sysctl.conf, how do the changes apply?
15:28.59unstableand I don't know what the ircd config char limit is, so if that was truncated let me know. my last word was "changes?"
15:29.07stewgmc: there is no way to automatically downgrade.  changing your sources.list to point to lenny might be enough for you in this instance though
15:29.38stewrhineheart_m: read /usr/share/doc/squirrelmail/README.Debian
15:29.43stewmadclicker: sysctl -p
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15:30.06gmcah.. so i changed 'sid' to 'testing' and now it does list 2.6.24 as an install candidate.. i am worried though, that now i use sid and testing packages intermingled, isn't that dangerous?
15:30.10madclickerthanks stew
15:30.12stewunstable: you trailed off at "and saves i..."
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15:30.13rhineheart_munstable, why using keyboard by the way?
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15:30.47unstablerhineheart_m: just so when I'm in that room without my laptop, I can do some stuff quickly
15:30.48stewgmc: i'd recommend using "lenny" instead of testing, which will allow you to be on stable once lenny is released
15:30.51Hide0hi
15:30.57unstablerhineheart_m: without having to go to the other floor, where my laptop is
15:31.15rhineheart_mokay.. that answers it. :)
15:31.19stewgmc: depending on what things you have upgrade past lenny versions, some things might be broken, but it shouldn't be that many things
15:31.19unstableand saves it to /tmp; How can i easily download any new files in this directory, /tmp/motion, from the debian server, to my debian laptop, and be alerted in livetime with changes?
15:31.58unstablestew: I basically have this motion program working fine, I wanted to know if there was another program I can use, to alert me when new image files are made in /tmp/motion, and I can have them automatically put on my laptop, where I can see them in a screen. like surveillance
15:32.04Bushmillsunstable: you can execute commands upon file or directory changes with something like incrontab
15:32.20Bushmillssuch as emialing you, or sending an instant messenger message
15:32.37gmcstew, abrotman: ok thanks, i think i've got enough to keep me occupied for a while now :)
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15:33.03Bushmillsincron, i mean
15:33.13Bushmillsincrontab is the config file
15:33.27abrotmandays! weeks!
15:34.01unstableI want to catch the person taking this keyboard, heh.
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15:34.32gmcunstable: suggest removing the door handle on the inside of the room :)
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15:35.12Bushmillswell, through incron you could also take a snapshot with the usb cam
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15:35.22unstableheh, once I find out who this person is...I'll put in an iptables rule so they can't use their personal email anymore, and no aim/msn/yahoo, no myspace, etc.
15:35.25unstablemwahaha
15:36.09unstableBushmills: no, this program automatically takes pictures, and saves jpegs to /tmp/motion, the pictures being saved to disk on the server is automated..and working great. What I want to do, is be alerted when a picture is written to disk, and have it sent to my laptop and show me teh picture.
15:36.12abrotmanwhy wouldn't you just walk around the office and look for it ?
15:36.39Bushmillsunstable: well, as i told you.
15:36.48unstableabrotman: I tried that, couldn't find it.
15:37.47infinity0are System.out.function() system calls or part of the standard java libraries? i'm using GNU classpath here
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15:38.32Bushmillsif its a usb keyboard, you can trigger snapshot through a udev rule
15:39.32unstableWell it's the corner of the room, and no one really goes over there. So if anyone is near the server, I want a snapshot of it. and this "motion" program, has this threshold for when a certain amount of pixels change, it dumps to disk. that works pretty nice, I don't want to change that.
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15:40.41stewinfinity0: System.out is just a Stream and it would be part of any java implementation
15:41.04infinity0yah, just got it, thanks :)
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15:41.29unstableThere is some ssh sync program, so synchronize directories on remote locations. what is that program called?
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15:41.48EtherNetanyone know if there is some console application like gpsace? for uploading/downloading files from gmail? using it as drive.
15:42.04unstableahh, sshfs, ok I have what I need.
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15:44.06pppagI used to set my background via the Xsession file (xsetroot -solid color), but after the dist-upgrade the command is not found any more. What can I do?
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15:46.53sputnickhi there. I try to modify the bash sources to enable net redirections. what I need to changes it ? only the rules files to sustitute "--disable-net-redirections" by "--enable-net-redirections" ?
15:48.05stewsputnick: you also need to bump the version in the changelog so that your version is differentiated from the debian version.  you can do this with dch --nmu
15:48.05sputnickthere's also a patch : "./bash-3.2/debian/patches/man-net-redirections.dpatc", I don't know if I have to remove it or not
15:48.28stewsputnick: if you want to disable that patch you can remove it from debian/patches/00list
15:48.53sputnickbut do you think this patch is for disable net redirections ?
15:48.55hoxuwhen I use KDE's Switch User -> Start New Session and log the same user again, X seems to crash and kicks me back to the earlier X, any ideas how to figure out what's broken? I'm using gdm
15:49.00stewsputnick: i haven't looked at it
15:49.06hoxu(on unstable too :P )
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15:50.05elwoodhi all
15:50.10sputnickstew: is better to write "--enable-net-redirections" or to delete "--disable-net-redirections" in rules ?
15:50.19elwoodis gnome 2.22 in sid repository?
15:50.20stewsputnick: you could look at what files the patch touches with "diffstat /path/to/patch".  the title indicates that it is a change to the manpage, but you should check
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15:50.37stewsputnick: i'd guess it is better to do both
15:50.45stewelwood: /msg dpkg pdo
15:50.55elwoodstew, thanks
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15:52.34jewardHi, I upgraded a box from sarge to etch it's a DNS server, but that's not working presently.
15:53.29stewjeward: did you follow the upgrade procedure in the release notes?
15:54.03jewardI beleive so?
15:54.21stewjeward: what does "uname -r" say?
15:54.29sparri love 2 year old bugs  :(
15:54.35jeward2.6.18-6-686
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15:55.25stewjeward: be more specific than "that's not working presently"
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15:55.49jewardWell, it can resolve external things like av.com, but not internal things.
15:56.03elwoodwell, not yet
15:56.05jewardWhich it did before the upgrade.
15:56.32jewardAnother guy here said to make sure it allows recursion, but I don't know what that means.
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15:57.28stewjeward: if you can resolve external things, then recursion is working, and non-recursive queries are not
15:57.35stewjeward: have you checked /var/log/daemon.log ?
15:57.44sputnickstew: what is the the first field "+-- 31 lines" in changelog.dch ? I wrote "+-- 1 lignes : bash (3.2-0custom) gutsy; urgency=low -- mythelves -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"
15:57.46jewardChecking, one sec.
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15:58.21jewardMay  1 08:57:51 hydra named[7620]: zone tekco.local/IN: refused notify from non-master: 10.0.1.2#32768
15:58.32jewardThat may well be the problem.
15:58.53stewsputnick: you are not looking at the entire file, your editor is folding it
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15:59.59stewjeward: i believe that is saying that 10.0.1.2 is trying to update the named but it is not allowed to.  what is 10.0.1.2?  is it a dhcp client perhaps?
16:00.10jewardLet me check.
16:00.16stewjeward: i would try restarting bind and seeing if there are other errors
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16:04.52DawnLighthello. i'm trying to write a little line that will go like " kdesu -c "konsole --noclose -e "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade"" " but this goes wront somewhere with the &&. help?
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16:05.00DawnLights/wront/wrong
16:05.32DawnLighti've tried \&\& but it doesn't work
16:06.03stewDawnLight: try kdesu -c 'konsole --noclose -e "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade"'
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16:07.01DawnLightstew: i'm getting "Konsole is unable to open a PTY (pseudo teletype). It is likely that this is due to an incorrect configuration of the PTY devices. Konsole needs to have read/write access to the PTY devices."
16:07.23unstableHow can I figure out what /dev/device, is my camera.
16:07.33DawnLightunstable: is it usb?
16:07.38unstable/dev/video? doesn't exist.
16:07.39unstableDawnLight: yes
16:07.47DawnLightunstable: is it a webcam?
16:07.50unstableyes
16:08.20DawnLightand you want to capture video?
16:08.20unstableyes
16:08.43DawnLightyou need some modules for that. no experience... try lsusb and google the model
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16:08.58DawnLightyou may be looking for something called v4l
16:09.27stewDawnLight: i don't know.  i've never used kdesu before
16:09.44DawnLightif lsusb gives you unknowns, launch update-usbids once
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16:10.48unstableDawnLight: lsusb lists teh device as "Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0c45:60fc Microdia"
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16:11.43DawnLightunstable: google 0c45:60fc
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16:11.58sputnickstew: all the times I try to run fakeroot, I get the following error : " install: cannot stat `clear_console': No such file or directory; make: *** [stamps/stamp-install-bash] Erreur 1"
16:12.16stewunstable: to find out which kernel module is the driver for this camera, run: grep -i "0c45.*60fc" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.usbmap
16:12.42sputnickI don't find any solution on google
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16:14.09stewsputnick: ask #ubuntu for help with ubuntu
16:14.11helo_i just installed dnsmasq and ipmasq, and for some reason ipmasq seems to be blocking all packets when i start up until i /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart
16:14.50ramribeiro#ubuntu
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16:15.33tyrion-debhello
16:15.55helo_i'm just going to echo '(sleep 30s; /etc/init.d/ipmasq restart)' >> /etc/rc.local
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16:16.02JyZyXELim starting to lose my mind with these pathetic firewall distributions
16:16.18JyZyXELthey are all so damn limited
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16:16.45tyrion-debis it possible to install kickoff on lenny (kde 3.5)?
16:17.03JyZyXELi wonder how hard would it be to build a router from deb
16:17.45helo_hmm
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16:20.16adamaJyZyXEL: not hard, I've done it before
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16:20.42DawnLightadama means earth in hebrew
16:21.18thechefI lost my mysql root password. How can I set a new password?
16:21.24JyZyXELadama how did you do it?
16:21.25DawnLightdebian has everything a router needs, i think
16:22.09adamaDawnLight: far out
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16:24.02abrotmanthechef: /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password
16:25.06adamaJyZyXEL: humm mostly all you really need is to set up networking properly in /etc/network/interfaces and do 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' and 'iptables -A POSTROUTING -o ethX -j MASQUERADE' where ethX is your external interface
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16:25.48adamathere are various commands to forward ports, rate-limit, etc
16:26.41adamaJyZyXEL: also apt-get install dhcp3-server
16:27.04JyZyXELalso need complex QoS to keep the latencys right
16:27.45stewJyZyXEL: the 'wondershaper' package has a script which is a good starting point
16:28.21JyZyXELl7 also
16:29.35adamaJyZyXEL: latencys?
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16:29.59JyZyXELlatency or latencies
16:30.10JyZyXELi don't know
16:31.48ramribeirosomebody already test Debian on Toshiba Qosmio notebook?
16:32.35stewramribeiro: /msg dpkg laptops
16:32.58sparris anyone maintaining an unofficial repo with xmms?
16:33.27ramribeirostew: thanks
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16:34.15Matsonwhere does ""sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config"" write out stuff?
16:34.30Matsonit does not appear to be into /etc/exim4
16:34.36Matsonand the man page does not say
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16:35.01stewMatson: /etc/exim4/conf.d ?
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16:35.38Matsonthat is what I thought
16:35.48stewMatson: or /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf ?
16:35.51Matsonbut in there, they reference several DEBCONF
16:36.15MatsonYUP
16:36.16Matsonthanks
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16:36.59hellues!paste
16:36.59dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
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16:40.44jaggz-can I stream amarok's output over our LAN to an XP box to play the music there?
16:41.06Matsonso I'm trying to get exim4 to relay for a specific IP address
16:41.09HSorgYvesre
16:41.25MatsonI've added the ip to dc_relay_nets
16:41.29Matsonrestarted exim4
16:41.52Matsonbut still get "relay not permitted" from exim4 when they send mail through
16:42.10Matsonis there some other setting I ahve to switch to permit exim4 to relay mail?
16:42.40Asgarothis there a faster way to permanently decrypt an encfs-crypted directory than copying the files forth and back?
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16:48.25arcskyIst worng to add this <directory /var/www/sec> lines in my default if i want basic .htaccss ? http://pastebin.com/m5e4688f8
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16:49.53rhineheart_manybody here has an idea about this? I sent an email to may yahoomail box.. and I noticed that in the sender information appears this way user@server.domain.com.. How would I change it in a way that it would appear as use@domain.com?
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16:51.10capiiraanyone know a tool for console to simplify the user and group management ?
16:53.25HSorgYvescapiira: what's wrong with adduser/usermod?
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16:54.06HSorgYvesrhineheart_m: this is probably a postfix problem, depends on the mta you are using... but you will find it in the configuration file
16:54.47rhineheart_mI am using dovecot
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16:55.17capiiradunno im trying to add a existing user to existing group and wont work
16:55.31capiirai get user already exist
16:55.45gurUNIXcapiira did you try to edit /etc/group ?
16:55.52HSorgYvescapiira: usermod
16:55.52capiiranah
16:56.01capiirausermod hmm let me check
16:56.24HSorgYvesgurUNIX: then you need to modify the shadow as well
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16:57.18claritywhat the difference between these two packages: linux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-686 - Linux 2.6.18 modules on i686
16:57.18claritylinux-modules-2.6.18-6-xen-vserver-686 - Linux 2.6.18 modules on i686
16:57.24HSorgYvesrhineheart_m: dovecot is the pop/imap server isn't it?
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16:57.49rhineheart_msorry..I mean. yeah. postfix
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16:59.22HSorgYvesrhineheart_m: check your config file, there you find the parameter to change
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17:02.44triflerIf a have the netinst cd in my computor and want to find out the mac-adress on my nic how to can I do that from the shell?
17:03.16stewtrifler: try "ifconfig -a"
17:03.45capiirathx for usermod
17:04.05triflerstew: only see lo, i have 2 nics in the computor
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17:04.29stewtrifler: then you have to load a driver for your NIC(s) do you know what NICs they are?
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17:05.33triflera realtek dont know the number, and a 3com hmm 3c905
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17:06.38JyZyXELstew would you recomend stable for a router debian?
17:07.10stewtrifler: try 'modprobe 3c595' and 'modprobe 8139too'
17:07.14stewJyZyXEL: yes
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17:07.28real0ne!past
17:07.28dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, past is you can also join #flood
17:07.30real0ne!paste
17:07.31dpkgDo not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!
17:07.42capiirabtw. is there a way to let a group incl. its users become part of another group
17:07.59stewcapiira: no
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17:08.15capiirathx then i need to rethink my ftp accounts :D
17:08.20n3klWhat package contains killall?
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17:08.30stewn3kl: psmisc ; /msg dpkg apt-file
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17:10.47thechefthe installation assistant of phpbb3 had an option to restore from a phpb22 forum afair - how do i do that if i use the packaged version of phpbb3 were there is no assistant
17:11.13stewthechef: check /usr/share/doc/phpbb3/README.Debian
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17:12.01n3klHow can I downgrade a package?
17:12.42stewn3kl: aptitude isntall pacakge=version ; or dpkg -i /path/to/deb
17:12.50stew^isntall^install
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17:19.30n3klI did an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, and killed the upgrade half way through because I noticed it was lenny.  I changed the sources file to use etch, and did and update and upgrade again.  Now when I try to install apt-file, it tells me a bunch of dependency crap and I think it comes down apt being a later version than the rest of the packages.  Can I just cd into /var/cache/apt/archives er whatever and dpkg -i the older apt version?
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17:22.45stewn3kl: show us the output of "apt-get install pat-file" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
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17:23.26dethstarI have an 8800GTS that I just installed etch with, and I just can't seem to get x working.  You guys know of any known issues with it?
17:23.49n3klstew: not worth a paste: apt-file: Depends: libapt-pkg-perl but it is not going to be installed
17:23.52dethstarit's like it doesn't even detect that it's there
17:24.04n3kllibapt-pkg-perl: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11
17:24.31n3klstew: then apt-get install libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 results that apt is the latest version.
17:24.52adamadethstar: try dpkg --configure -a
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17:25.28abrotmandethstar: which driver?
17:25.47adamawait
17:25.54abrotmanwaits
17:25.54adaman3kl: try dpkg --configure -a
17:26.15adamadethstar: ignore me
17:26.22dethstarmy bad
17:26.32adamalol nope definitely mine
17:26.32dethstarI'm just doing a basic desktop instaall
17:27.14dethstari knmow it's a proprietary driver and all, but am I going to have to go get for x to even start?
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17:27.24n3kladama: I have, and it did not seem to do anything
17:27.25dryrotwhat is the default font that pterm uses ?
17:27.45abrotmandethstar: yes, driver from where?
17:28.19dethstarI haven't got it yet, suppose I just answered my own question
17:28.28abrotman!nvidia one-liner
17:28.28dpkgfrom memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>.
17:28.43n3klapt-get -f install wants to remove like 148 packages
17:28.44dethstarI thought it was funny though, because all of the other distros at least started X
17:29.05jimn3kl: which means you seem to have a mixed system
17:29.34n3kllooks like my options are, a) move to lenny, or b) reinstall.
17:30.18jimor c, let apt-get -f install do the removals, then reinstall stuff from etch or etch backports
17:30.49jimcopy/paste a list of those removals, could be handy when you reinstall
17:31.05stewn3kl: show us the output of "apt-cache policy libc6 libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 libapt-pkg-perl ; apt-get -f install" use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin
17:31.07jiminto a file you keep that is
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17:31.22stewn3kl: consider using aptitude instead of apt-get, it is better at dependency resolution
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17:32.01jimcan you resize an ext3 partition without unmounting it?
17:32.06n3klhttp://pastebin.ca/1004108
17:32.11abrotmani don't think so
17:32.50jimok, so I need some sort of rescue media with lvm tools/support
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17:36.48stewn3kl: i'd recommend trying to use aptitude instead.  you must have upgraded some package(s) to testing/unstable.  check e2fsprogs and apt, since those are directly mentioned
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17:37.13n3klstew: I am certain that is the case
17:37.14`mac`evening..
17:37.37stewn3kl: /msg dpkg partial downgrade
17:38.05Cromaghmm my motd seem to be disabled somehow, it is there and all users can see it in /etc/motd but it doesn show up when loggin in, any ideas where i can look to enable it again ? :D
17:38.24`mac`do i need to download all does imgs
17:38.33jimno
17:38.46`mac`how well i install it?
17:39.03n3klstew: thanks.  I will try that
17:39.04jimwhat do you want to install? and on what machine?
17:39.04`mac`can i put it on the flash drive?
17:39.13`mac`amd64
17:39.29`mac`i m just fit up - up to knock with ubuntu
17:39.39`mac`cant update nothing is working
17:39.59`mac`try to fix my dns cant fix that.. not clear whats happin
17:40.03stew`mac`: /msg dpkg usb-install
17:40.04jimok, you have a choice, you can install the amd64 arch or you can install the i386 arch (compilers work a little better there)
17:40.06`mac`so i would love to install
17:40.12`mac`thank you stew
17:40.29stewjim: compilers?
17:40.59jimsome packages don't build under amd64, and there are other problems
17:41.07stewjim: what does this have to do with compilers?
17:41.09lvlefisto!tell lvlefisto about backports
17:41.16stew!tell lvlefisto about selftell
17:41.16jimsee above.
17:41.25stewjim: what does the above have to do with compilers?
17:41.25jimdirect, obvious, relationship.
17:41.35valdynjim: you're confused
17:41.36jimsome packages don't build.
17:41.36stewjim: can you give an example?
17:41.37dondelelcarojim: those are almost exclusively bugs in the programs, actually.
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17:41.51jimoh, they are?
17:41.54dondelelcaroI'm not aware of any amd64 specific ICEs
17:41.54stewyes
17:41.54disposableis it possible to use a nonsupported (in linux) printer by connecting it to a virtual windows machine, 'sharing' it and then sending printjobs to the virtual machine using samba? or would it still need to be compatible with linux to accept the jobs?
17:41.59jimso what do you mean almost?
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17:42.21dondelelcarojim: there is a possibility of an amd64 specific ICE, but I'm not aware of any.
17:42.27valdyndisposable: thats possible
17:42.54dethstarabrotman: do I need some extra repositories? because it couldn't find the nvidia-kernel-2.6-amd64 package.
17:42.55dondelelcaro(and those cases are bugs in the compiler which are generally fixed resonably rapidly)
17:43.00disposablevaldyn: does samba use some sort of generic format?
17:43.09abrotmandethstar: you need contrib and non-free also
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17:43.20dethstarah, ok
17:43.23dethstarty
17:43.28jimwell then, that's all I'm saying... so are they all fixed?
17:43.46valdyndisposable: using samba for this is probably silly
17:43.56dondelelcarojim: you can check the BTS, but I'm not aware of any currently.
17:44.02SakeI'm having problems with rdiff-backup and acl support. Every time I run rdiff-backup, it tells me that I don't have acl support, even though I do. It also gives me the following errors: "Unable to import module xattr.", "Extended attributes not supported on filesystem at /data/testshare", "Unable to import module posix1e from pylibacl package." and "ACLs not supported on filesystem at /data/testshare"
17:44.14Sakethe wierd thing is that I've installed and tested ACL support at the filesystem level
17:44.15lvlefistosorry guys, won't happen again
17:44.20valdyndisposable: your virtual windows machine can export a printer via smb or cups interface or bsd lpr
17:44.21dondelelcaro(and amd64 is not any more likely to have ICE in this regard than i386)
17:44.48`mac`http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta1/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-businesscard.iso
17:44.56disposablevaldyn: the printer has a 'paperweight' status on linuxprinting website so i don't see any other option
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17:45.10`mac`is that the one i sould?
17:45.19jim`mac`: so do you want to run things like shockwave flash?
17:45.21valdyndisposable: you just dont understand the option you have, samba is not involved
17:45.29`mac`no sir
17:45.40`mac`i wan a run a server with my t3 connection
17:45.42jimwhy lenny?
17:45.52`mac`i m not clear what to get..
17:45.53yggworkhi, can somone help me , i just installed a new motherboard on my old debian instll. because my mobo went bad. and everythign is functional except i cant for some reason get the eth0 to work. built in via ethernet card.
17:45.53jimoh, a production server?
17:45.56valdyndisposable: print from virtual windows, share the printer however you want, windows does not limit that to samba
17:46.09jimwhat is the purpose of the server, exactly?
17:46.23disposablevaldyn: thanks
17:46.47`mac`can you plz give me download url under flash
17:46.53jimwhat is the purpose of the server, exactly?
17:46.56jimoh, a production server?
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17:47.02yggworkif i lspci i see it if i dmesg i see it, and i even stuc ka nother card in there that i know works and i jsut get bind to socket no such interface
17:47.11n3klwhat does Bd mean at the begining of an aptitude search line?
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17:47.22jimit's already very likely you want etch and not lenny
17:47.22clarityi installed xen and now when i boot in the xen kernel my network card isn't working
17:47.37jimyou want stability, correct?
17:47.57Sakeanybody?
17:48.02jimwell since you're not responding I'll go on about my day...
17:48.23clarityjim: are you talking to me?
17:48.55jimclarity: no :)
17:49.14clarityah, :-(
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17:49.56jim`mac`: /msg dpkg ig
17:50.20jimall the info you need and more is there
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17:50.49`mac`thank you..
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17:51.09`mac`just hate going page to page not getting what im looking for
17:51.11disposableSake: and have you mounted the volume with user_xattr? i'm just reading what the error message is saying
17:51.48jim`mac`: and I just hate it when I ask questions necessary to help someone and they don't respond... so go figure
17:52.24jimlike I said, since you're not responding I'll choose to do other stuff
17:52.43stewjim: you don't have to announce to use when you are doing other stuff
17:52.49stew^use^us
17:52.52Sakedisposable: do I need to? I thought mounting it with acl was enough
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17:53.06`mac`thank you jim: you didnt even had to give me any input
17:53.31jimI'm aware of that, the point was that if he didn't respond I have a choice to do what I want
17:54.11stewjim: that choice was never questioned
17:54.21thechefstew: It doesn't have useful content on how to upgrade from phpbb2 to phpbb3, it just says that it's not supported, so I think I have to do that manually or enforce the assistant to show up, but I have no idea how
17:54.25`mac`first time install debian, it can get confusing..
17:54.25jimdoesn't matter
17:54.36jimjust read the install guide
17:54.41disposableSake: i'm merely rephrasing the error message
17:54.43jimall the info is there
17:54.47stew`mac`: if you get confused, just ask
17:55.20`mac`i asked
17:55.28`mac`can you plz give me a url for flash or cd min install
17:55.29stew`mac`: what exactly is the question?
17:55.34`mac`online well take care of all that..
17:55.39stew!tell `mac` about usb-install
17:55.49`mac`been their
17:56.05stew`mac`: which part of those guides didn't you understand?
17:56.07`mac`if you can please give me a dircct link for download well be awesome
17:56.13`mac`i got AMD system
17:56.28stew`mac`: there isn't a usb install image per-se
17:56.31jimstew: he says he wants to build a server to be on his t3, so I started asking him what's the server for
17:57.03stewjim: yes. i saw
17:57.16`mac`how about the cd? min install?
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17:57.21jimwhen he didn't respond, I figured he wanted to do it himself, so I provided a way to find out
17:57.22clarityis there a way to figure out what driver eth0 is using?
17:57.27`mac`my bad, not trying to give you guys hard time..
17:57.41stew`mac`: go to debian.org and click on "getting debian"
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17:57.46`mac`its just i got hacked last night from china
17:57.55jim`mac`: so would you mind answering the questions I posed earlier?
17:58.16`mac`sure jim: whats the question..
17:58.18`mac`let me scroll up
17:58.35`mac`i wasnt thinking you were talking to me, didnt had name
17:58.35jimis the server to be in some production capacity?
17:58.54jimoh, sorry, simple misunderstanding then
17:59.02`mac`all the info you need and more is there
17:59.05`mac`i see..
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17:59.21jimbefore that
17:59.30stew`mac`: he's just trying to tell you to use stable aka etch instead of testing
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17:59.35stew(testing aka lenny)
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18:00.08jimwell I'm trying to find out whether you really want stability as debian defines it, or what
18:00.32stew`mac`: if security is a concern, use stable
18:01.13`mac`ok.. finding more info on the download
18:01.26jimin order to find out, I'm asking these questions (and I could short-circuit and say "use etch not lenny", but at this point I'm saying "it's very likely you want etch and not lenny")
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18:01.58jim`mac`: so, question number one, is this a production server?
18:01.59DexterFhi
18:02.03`mac`download etch insate of lenny got it
18:02.20DexterFin what ways will debian usually try to auto-assemble a raid array? initrd? udev? mdadm?
18:02.25`mac`yes jim: i m runing web hosting company
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18:03.31jimok, the thing about stable dists in debian, is they gain their stability in part because new versions are -never- added.
18:03.53stewjim: new versions are sometimes added
18:03.56valdynDexterF: read the documentation?
18:04.12jimunder what conditions?
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18:04.33DexterFvaldyn: ah... I'm not used to having docs for these thing, I ran Slackware for years :)
18:04.35stewjim: fixing security problems or bugs making packages unusable or uninstallable
18:04.49jimahh, ok
18:04.53valdynDexterF: I'm sure slackware has documentation
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18:05.30jimbut that doesn't happen as often as fixing the problem in the existing version
18:05.30DexterFvaldyn: Slackware didn't even have raid scripts up to 11.0
18:05.55jimso "sometimes" becomes "really rarely", and only if it's in support of fixing very important, critical bugs
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18:06.30stewjim: you aren't making sense
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18:07.00WanderingKnighthey there
18:07.04WanderingKnighti've got a question
18:07.10jimI wasn't really talking to you anyway, so that's ok
18:07.16WanderingKnightI've got a debian netinst
18:07.25WanderingKnightand I'm trying to make soundconverter output to mp3
18:07.26Sakeanybody here good with rdiff-backup? I pulled a directory onto my backup machine and it told me "Warning: name USERNAME_HERE not found on system, dropping ACL entry.", but when I erase the directory from my machine and restore it from my backup machine, the ACL entry is intact. Why does this happen if rdiff-backup told me that the acl entry would be dropped?
18:07.28stewjim: you weren't talking to anyone specifically, you were just making untrue statements, so i'm correcting you
18:07.31valdyn!tell WanderingKnight -about enter
18:07.33WanderingKnightwhat lib am I supposed to install?
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18:08.02jimhave an example that's happened in etch?
18:08.06valdynWanderingKnight: how is the medium you used to install debian relevant?
18:08.26valdyn!debian-multimedia
18:08.26dpkgrumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch>
18:08.26WanderingKnightHmm...? I was just explaining, that's all.
18:08.36valdynWanderingKnight: you want "lame" from ^^
18:08.51WanderingKnightYeah, I looked into that. I actually installed lame, but soundconverter still doesn't let me output to mp3.
18:09.35valdynWanderingKnight: apt-cache show soundconverter - read
18:10.13`mac`i m not even clear which one i m downloading.. doesnt say much
18:10.17valdynWanderingKnight: and once you added the debian multimedia repository added you can easily "apt-cache search foo"
18:10.25`mac`debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso
18:10.32jim`mac`: the main point is that etch gains its stability because new versions of individual pieces of software are (almost?) never added to the stable dist.
18:10.36`mac`etch or lenny
18:10.50WanderingKnightI know about apt-cache, sorry. I guess the legend of the unfriendly debian ops is true after all... No hard feelings, though, thanks.
18:10.58jimthe dvd is big...
18:11.06gpmnobody is being unfriendly
18:11.15jimthe netinstall is much smaller, and you can start with that
18:11.30gpmbusinesscard ftw
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18:11.42`mac`what am i downloading?? etch or lenny debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso
18:11.49gpmetch
18:11.56`mac`exellent, thank you
18:12.13gpmor at least, 4.0r3 is etch
18:12.23jimalso you probably want the netinstall, not the dvd
18:12.28stew`mac`: that is etch.  you can install a netinst which is a ~150mb iso instead of the entire dvd if you can get on the network with a default debian kernel
18:12.46`mac`that well be nice
18:12.53gpmis businesscard the only one that lets you decide during install if you want stable|testing|sid?
18:12.58jimdo you have physical access to the machine?
18:13.14`mac`i m sorry , i m having hard time finding netinst
18:13.25jimerr, `mac`, do you have physical access to the machine?
18:13.35gpmhttp://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
18:13.57benjamindeesgpm, the floppies will let you do that as well
18:14.04gpmbenjamindees: indeed
18:14.09jimor are you 150 miles away from it
18:14.13`mac`gpm: thank you.. let me cancel the other once i was downloading
18:14.21gpmbenjamindees: er, thanks. i didn't realize what you were talking about right away.
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18:14.36gpmman, floppies
18:14.41gpmi don't think i own one
18:14.43gpm:(
18:15.46DexterFI've been elsewhere over the support docs, but I can't dig up a descriptions how to configure how RAID arrays are started. pointers, please?
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18:16.19valdynDexterF: they are started by "mdadm"
18:16.20gpmanyone know what the release after lenny will be called?
18:16.29stewgpm: it hasn't been decided yet
18:16.35gpmstew: thanks.
18:16.40gpmrunning out of characters eh?
18:16.45stewgpm: no
18:17.03valdynDexterF: which is started by an init script or a script inside the initrd
18:17.10gpmhm, i guess i need to watch the movies again
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18:18.01unixSnobAn azureus user just made the general comment to me that debians application repository is ancient.  Azureus is on version 3.0.5.2 now, and debian's download is 2.5.0.0.
18:18.09stewgpm: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0435761/
18:18.30unixSnobHe made it sound as if debians respository is behind in general though.. is that accurate?
18:18.44DexterFvaldyn: the this is even stranger. I got 5 disks on two controllers, four on an sil3114, hte 5th on the board's sata_nv. on each boot time the 5th disk on the nv controller is kicked from the array for being "non-fresh" and I can't figure why. when I examine the un-assembled partitions, the event count and all is fine. I run 2.6.22 and learned of the shutdown problem, but even fixing that didn't help.
18:18.47gpmoh the interwebs, thanks
18:18.53valdynunixSnob: its suppsed to be behind.
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18:19.28unixSnobvaldyn: behind for stability?
18:19.35stew!info azureus
18:19.36dpkgazureus: (BitTorrent client), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.5.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8271 kB, Installed size: 9268 kB
18:19.38valdynDexterF: what is "the shutdown problem" supposed to be?
18:19.42valdynunixSnob: yes
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18:20.30valdynunixSnob: azureus provides a package that you can untar at$HOME, if you dont want to use debians version, choice is yours
18:20.32stewunixSnob: see above, unstable has 3.0.5.0. stable would have an older version as stable is not over a year old
18:20.33unixSnobwell in that case I'll stick w/ debian.. I was starting to think I should switch to gentoo
18:20.50stewerr 'as stable is over a year old'
18:21.33DexterFvaldyn: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/disk-might-not-be-spun-down-properly.-update-shutdown-utility-583307/
18:21.59benjamindeesunixSnob, in general you will want to look into backports.org if you use stable on a desktop;  or just use testing
18:22.06valdynDexterF: ah, that one
18:22.09abrotmani doubt bpo has azeurus
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18:22.39jimunixSnob: your decision to switch should be based on the purpose of the machine... if it's just yours and you're the only user, based mostly on what you want
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18:22.43valdynDexterF: paste the actual error message
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18:23.05DexterFvaldyn: from dmesg?
18:23.14valdynDexterF: if its there, yes
18:23.45valdyn!paste
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18:24.30benjamindeesor azureus is java-based, so it's probably pretty simple to backport yourself
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18:24.48unsoloshould i follow http://www.howtoforge.org/virtual_users_and_domains_with_postfix_debian_etch or http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/
18:25.10unsolosetting up a mail server
18:25.11abrotmanyou decide
18:25.15GromiIs there anyway firestarter can monitor both wireless and wired devices, even if they aren't active?
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18:25.30WanderingKnightHey there, it's me again. Soundconverter isn't converting at all.
18:25.34unsoloabrotman: ofc i do i mainly asked to know if there are big differences...
18:25.37epsilonunixSnob: just grab the current version from the project website
18:25.45valdynunixSnob: to do what?
18:25.53HSorgYvesi am still fighting with an error 25 at stage 2 of grub, anyone an idea what i could check?
18:25.57valdynunixSnob: follow a howto do achieve what?
18:26.04abrotmanunsolo: you'd read them
18:26.07WanderingKnightI tried outputting both OGG and MP3, but conversion doesn't even start. It just sits there and the file stays on 0 B.
18:26.22abrotmanWanderingKnight: did you try just using the binary itself? for lame etc
18:26.26stewHSorgYves: check the documentation in the grub-doc package for that error code, or ask #grub
18:26.45unsoloabrotman: i already read the ispmail and i already have one running on etch based on the old sarge one
18:26.50WanderingKnightYeah, well, I haven't, but it's for my mom, and she can't use the command line, so I need a friendly GUI frontend.
18:27.19HSorgYvesstew: the error is disk read error and channel grub is not populated much
18:27.28WanderingKnightAnd the input format is WAV
18:27.29DexterFvaldyn: http://pastebin.ca/1004161
18:27.56DexterFvaldyn: around line 136
18:28.08FersureAny ops around please?
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18:28.15stewFersure: sure, why?
18:28.43gpmwhoa, non-fresh sbd1
18:28.44abrotmanWanderingKnight: i meant to test
18:28.44Fersurestew: Is it okay if I pvt you please to explain?
18:28.49stewFersure: yes
18:28.51Fersurety
18:29.14abrotmanlike that like Fersure .. like valley girl Fer Sure? :)
18:29.16WanderingKnightabrotman: Let me check
18:29.35gpmfer like sure!
18:29.48unsoloabrotman: not easy as one is based on the other..
18:30.16unsologuess start on one if i get stuck peak at the other.
18:30.22WanderingKnightlame works fine
18:30.47abrotmanso the issue is with your ripping application it would seem
18:31.06abrotmanof which there are many in debian .. you could try another
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18:31.12gpmgrip ftw!
18:31.17WanderingKnighthmm
18:31.21unsoloabrotman: one uses courier the other dovecot
18:31.22abrotmanSoundJuicer is decent from what i've heard
18:31.25unsolowhich one is prefered ?
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18:31.26WanderingKnightsoundconverter worked fine on Ubuntu, that's why I went with it
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18:31.38WanderingKnightI'll check on soundjuicer
18:31.41gpmit's a pain to get sound juicer to make mp3s, last i checked
18:31.49gpmbut oggs are better anyway
18:31.54WanderingKnightMy mom needs them in mp3
18:32.00abrotmanoh .. i wonder if soundjuicer uses mp3 .. never thought about it
18:32.09WanderingKnightI wouldn't have a problem with oggs, but she needs her mp3 player to play them
18:32.15gpmyeah, you can get it to do mp3s
18:32.27gpmbut it's a slight pita to set up, nothing major, a quick google
18:32.27Fersurethanx again stew :]
18:32.39gpmit's in the ubuntu forums (zomg howto!!!1)
18:32.55unsolohmm dovecot looks like a lot less work than courier
18:33.23WanderingKnighthahaha
18:33.50abrotmanWanderingKnight: there's also grip which is pretty simple
18:34.06gpmyeah grip is the best, in my opinion, especially if you're cooking mp3s
18:34.18valdynWanderingKnight: "dpkg -l gstreamer0.10-lame | tail -1"
18:34.18abrotmannot sure about best .. but it is pretty simple
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18:34.41gpmit was the easiest, i guess that's what i mean yeah
18:34.46WanderingKnightlet me check
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18:35.07gpmit was the easiest also for being really specific about tag and filename formatting
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18:35.10unsoloabrotman: I think the challange for me is going to be synconizing the two mail servers
18:35.13valdynWanderingKnight: but then again, you knew how to apt-cache search and how to read ( scroll up )
18:35.51WanderingKnighthey, valdyn
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18:36.19WanderingKnightI installed that lib already, soundconverter accepts mp3 as possible output, but conversion does nothing
18:36.30Yvonnestew: thanks :)
18:36.34WanderingKnightNeither to ogg nor to mp3
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18:36.42stewYvonne: you're welcome
18:36.48valdynWanderingKnight: ah, have you checked the bts?
18:36.53WanderingKnightthe output file just sits there as a 0 B file
18:36.56WanderingKnightbts?
18:37.23valdynWanderingKnight: start soundconverter from a shell and let me know if it outputs something useful ( if you still want to debug this )
18:37.32valdyn!tell WanderingKnight -about bts
18:38.05WanderingKnightoh, well, hold on... I don't feel like doing an extensive debugging. Let me try grips first and then I'll do the debugging
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18:38.17valdynWanderingKnight: though its probably just the first program you found while theres plenty decent tools doing the job that work fine
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18:38.56jimis there any effort going on to get ruby into the base?
18:39.03WanderingKnightI know, I know, it's just that I used to use this on Ubuntu, that's why I went with it
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18:40.57stewjim: hell no
18:40.58WanderingKnightWell, grips seems to be exclusively for CD ripping, unless I'm not understanding the GUI well
18:41.05WanderingKnight*grip
18:41.19WanderingKnightI need it to do some simple encoding
18:41.27gpmyeah it is mostly for CDs
18:41.34WanderingKnight:S
18:41.36gpmoh so you have some wavs you want to convert to mp3s?
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18:41.40WanderingKnightYeah
18:41.41gpmjust lame them up
18:41.42HSorgYvesstew: mhymn from channel grub thinks it is a chroot problem and tells me to ask here...
18:41.48WanderingKnightI know, but it's for my mom
18:41.55gpmyou mean she has to do it?
18:41.57WanderingKnightYeah
18:41.59jimstew: is it that the base is too crowded already, or something about ruby particularly?
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18:42.04gpmbleh...burn them to a CD first?
18:42.12WanderingKnightI can do it myself and I have no problems with it, but I need a friendly GUI for her
18:42.17WanderingKnightno xD
18:42.18valdynWanderingKnight: its working here, mp3 -> ogg
18:42.21WanderingKnight:S
18:42.30valdynWanderingKnight: but thats on lenny/sid bastard mix
18:42.31WanderingKnightmust be an issue with wav as input
18:42.34WanderingKnighthmm
18:42.41WanderingKnightlet me check with another input file
18:43.03stewjim: yes. yes.
18:43.09gpmwell grip doesn't do that i think
18:43.17stewHSorgYves: you are installing in a chroot?
18:43.27HSorgYvesstew: no
18:43.45jimstew: so yes to both... what is about ruby that makes it unsuitable to be in the base?
18:43.54stewjim: its completely not necessary
18:44.03valdynjim: why should it be in base?
18:44.07HSorgYvesstew: at stage 2 of grup i am getting error 25 (disk read error) just after the kernel line of menu.lst
18:44.11WanderingKnightYep, with another format as input file it works just fine.
18:44.14WanderingKnightdamn
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18:44.36HSorgYves-grup+grub
18:45.20DexterFhas dpkg-reconfigure some kind of a central database where it stores the package config?
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18:46.03valdynWanderingKnight: i know audacity is big but im sure it can do it
18:46.09stewDexterF: yes, i'd look in man 7 debconf or man 7 debconf-devel
18:46.18DexterFthanks
18:46.30WanderingKnightAudacity is kinda messy for a regular person... I don't know if she'll understand it
18:46.36jimI've been learning it over the past few days, it looks interesting... so I began to get curious about whether it should get closer to the base or not, and if not where were some of the specific thoughts as to why not, including specific problems with ruby
18:47.19jimwhen I got the "hell no", I got about 10 times as curious too
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18:47.38`mac`its stock, scan cd-rom 8% cdrom/pool/main/b
18:47.48abrotmanthinks jim and nvz have merged
18:48.04jimnvz? :)
18:48.53WanderingKnighthey, does someone offer him or herself to code up a really really simple gtk frontend to lame? For my mom's sake, please xD
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18:49.23jimif it weren't for the fact you have to keep the size of the base down as much as possible, what are some of the factors about ruby specifically that make it unsuitable?
18:49.29valdynWanderingKnight: run soundconverter in a shell and paste the output that is printed just when doing the conversion that is broken
18:49.33stewjim: adding a third scripting language to base which doesn't have much in the way of cababilities beyond what is already in base doesn't warrant increasing the size of the base install by several megabytes
18:49.40WanderingKnightlet me check... I'm at another pc
18:50.02jimseveral megabytes, hmm
18:50.19valdynWanderingKnight: regular output for a single wav -> ogg is just "Queue done in 0s"
18:50.43WanderingKnighthmm, for me it outputs a loop of 0 + 0 / 0
18:50.52`mac`what can i do? debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso         17-Feb-2008 13:26  4.3G
18:50.52jimalso, you're right, it doesn't seem to add anything new
18:51.01WanderingKnightconversion doesn't even start
18:51.02valdynWanderingKnight: for which conversion? wav -> mp3 ?
18:51.05stewjim: if you want more, you can probably search the list archives for when someone proposed adding python a few years ago and s/python/ruby/
18:51.06WanderingKnightwav -> ogg
18:51.15WanderingKnightI guess it's the same for wav -> mp3
18:51.18xingujim: for one, you need to consider not _only_ the impact on base, but also the impact on the toolchain required to bootstrap base
18:51.39epsilon`mac`: can do what?
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18:51.57jimahh, you mean its build requirements?
18:52.08jimxingu that is :)
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18:52.10xingujim: exactly; bootstrapping a new arch is hard enough
18:52.26jimoh, a new arch
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18:52.32jimI didn't think about that
18:52.40wadI noticed that my wordpress package was updates (when I did apt-get upgrade). Where do I look to see what was changed in the package?
18:52.40epsilonanother arch is even possible?
18:52.43xingupeople never do ;)
18:52.49ryxI just lost power, and now my box stops booting after "Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ...\nDone." Raid is rebuilding in the background. Any ideas?
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18:53.15`mac`not sure, guess i got a go back using ubuntu,
18:53.15xinguhands epsilon a cell processor
18:53.17jimdoes the raid seem to be rebuilding?
18:53.28`mac`thank you for this time and sorry for wasting everyones time
18:53.31stew`mac`: what is the problem you are having?
18:53.33ryxyes
18:53.42`mac`its stock, scan cd-rom 8% cdrom/pool/main/b
18:54.00`mac`what can i do? download that? debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso         17-Feb-2008 13:26  4.3G
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18:54.10`mac`froze everything
18:54.18valdynWanderingKnight: try converson on that file: "http://valdyn.org/~valdyn/bump1.wav"
18:54.23epsilonyou have netinstall ATM?
18:54.29`mac`tx stew, for not neglacting me..
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18:54.46benjamindees`mac`, stuck, it's stuck...
18:54.52stew`mac`: i don't understand what you are saying.  are you having a problem with the installer?
18:54.54ryxwhat should it be doing after init-bottom?
18:54.55`mac`really nice os to use, but if i cant get this working i don't know what i can do
18:55.14jim`mac`: oh well... hmm. so it freezes when you (do what)?
18:55.21WanderingKnightvaldyn: let me check
18:55.30`mac`yes stew: upon install it get stock @ 8% sys froze
18:55.31epsilon`mac`: tell slowly and detailed what you are doing, what you use, which debian version/arch
18:55.46`mac`i m sorry i cant understand everyone trying to help @ once now
18:55.53`mac`what do you need to know?
18:56.05epsilonwhat you are doing, what you use, which debian version/arch
18:56.06jim`mac`: is your ram, cpu, motherboard and video card all good?
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18:56.15`mac`i put the cd in the drive boot up boots to debian upon scan 8% sys froze
18:56.16ryxI can even ctrl-alt-del and it stops md0 before rebooting
18:56.23`mac`yes its all fine
18:56.24stew`mac`: you might check the md5sum of the .iso agaist http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/amd64/jigdo-dvd/MD5SUMS
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18:56.28`mac`ubuntu was runign no issue
18:56.36`mac`so i downloaded what you guys ask me ..
18:57.01`mac`i got the other one you said to get
18:57.05`mac`debian-40r3-amd64-netinst.iso
18:57.14stew`mac`: did you try booting that one?
18:57.16epsilonah finally
18:57.19jimok, did you write that to a cd?
18:57.20`mac`yes sir i did
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18:57.31benjamindeeswonders if there's a 'verify cd' option in the regular install
18:57.32`mac`yes i m booting from the cd
18:57.34`mac`not dvd
18:57.35epsilondid you check the iso file and the burned CD, is your hardware allright
18:57.41ryxis there any way to get a more verbose boot or a commandline really early in the boot-process?
18:57.45`mac`its booting to debian
18:57.52jimok, so the netinstall does boot?
18:58.01stewjim: yes
18:58.13benjamindeesclearly, the cd boots;  he says it freezes when scanning the disc for files...
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18:58.21`mac`FROZE, scan cd-rom 8% cdrom/pool/main/b
18:58.24WKnighthey there
18:58.27WKnightWanderingKnight here
18:58.36WKnightvaldyn, your file converts
18:58.37jimand it does that every time?
18:58.38stew`mac`: can you check the md5sum of the netinst .iso?
18:58.45epsilonas far as I understood it's hanging where the packages get copied after you told the hostname/network/drive partitioning etc?
18:58.50`mac`nice benjamindees: you got what i m sayin :)
18:58.57WKnightit outputs 0 + 0 / 0 a couple of times and then it finalizes
18:58.58valdynWKnight: so your wav file is probably broken
18:59.04valdynWKnight: or not really a wav file
18:59.08WKnightbut it converted just fine with soundkonverter
18:59.10`mac`so i need to download something else
18:59.11WKnighton Ubuntu
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18:59.13DexterFvaldyn: been able to make anything of that dmesg?
18:59.19valdynDexterF: nope
18:59.35`mac`don't have anot of choices, let me just download the dvd ds1
18:59.38`mac`see were taht takes me
18:59.40epsilon`mac`: is the CD ok, does the drive try to seek over and over again?
18:59.44benjamindees`mac`, we don't do installs very often ;)
18:59.51`mac`frozed, nothing is happin
18:59.55DexterFvaldyn: bugger. only thing I could think of right know was that the 5th disk sits on a controller that isn't handled by the initrd. that possible?
19:00.02benjamindees`mac`, there should be an option in the install menu to verify the cd
19:00.10valdynDexterF: yes
19:00.11`mac`i see..
19:00.16WKnightperhaps it IS some issue with the way the wav file is encoded, but lame and soundkonverter do it just fine
19:00.20`mac`let me check on does options.. just checked on the proc.
19:00.22benjamindees`mac`, otherwise, restart the install and choose the expert install
19:00.31valdynDexterF: but i dont think that is likely, debian usually has everything in the initrd by default afaik
19:00.33`mac`unhooking monitor. dont' have alot of them..
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19:00.56jimahh, so that answers my question from a half hour ago
19:01.10valdynDexterF: the disk is found alright, its just some other issue -> initrd has no issue
19:01.11jimyou do have physical access to the machine
19:01.25epsilonWKnight: you're trying to convert wav -> mp3 with lame "http://valdyn.org/~valdyn/bump1.wav"?
19:01.33WKnightnope
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19:02.04DexterFvaldyn: on 2.6.18 I had the problem of not all partitions properly found, but I don't know why. upgrading to .233 from backports fixed this, I think.
19:02.10DexterF.22
19:02.27WKnightI'm trying to give my mom an easy way to convert her interviews (wav format by a generic mp3 player), and soundconverter is not doing anything when I tell it to convert
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19:02.49WKnightmp3 and ogg input in soundconverter works just fine though, and lame with wav input works fine, too
19:03.02WKnightbut my mom can't handle CLI tools
19:03.18jimWKnight:why is it not doing anything?
19:03.25WKnightI have no damn idea
19:03.26epsilonthere should be some GUI...
19:03.45WKnightI just need a really really simple, braindead frontend to lame
19:03.55valdynWKnight: maybe its not a wav file really
19:04.01valdynWKnight: try "file" on it
19:04.06WKnightbut soundkonverter manages it just fine
19:04.06valdynWKnight: or mplayer
19:04.08WKnightlet me check
19:04.33WKnightRIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, IMA ADPCM, mono 8000 Hz
19:04.37xinguepsilon: like audacity perhaps?
19:04.53epsilonaudacity isn't a fromtend
19:05.02WKnightand audacity isn't that simple
19:05.17valdynWKnight: so this is a specific wav type that soundconverter ( or rather gstreamer ) fails to decode
19:05.17xinguit is for the basic task of sample conversion
19:05.42epsilonbut IIRC audacity is windows-only?
19:05.49WKnightprobably
19:05.50valdynepsilon: no
19:05.55WKnightaudacity is on linux, too
19:05.56epsilonoh
19:06.05epsilonok
19:06.25valdynWKnight: i'd just use soundkonverter
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19:06.40WKnightI just wished someone coded up a really simple gtk frontend to lame... it just needs two boxes and a big START button, but I can't code shit...
19:06.51WKnightI can't find it in the etch repos
19:07.00WKnightI did this from Kubuntu 8.04
19:07.24abrotmangrip ?
19:07.30WKnightIt's not a CD
19:07.51abrotmani thought you could point it at a directory of wav .. but NFC
19:07.54gpmWKnight: you should just write a script that does it for mom or grandma or whoever
19:08.07abrotmanhow many freaking wav files does your mom have .. jeez
19:08.20WKnightabrotman: hey
19:08.35WKnightshe needs a gui, and it's part of her work
19:08.42gpmjust put 'em all in a dir and for i in *.wav; do lame -b 192 (or whatever) "$i"; done
19:08.46WKnightno disrespect, man, I'm not disrespecting anyone of you
19:09.07WKnightgpm: Yeah, but I need HER to do that
19:09.14valdynWKnight: easy
19:09.15gpmput it in a script
19:09.21WKnightI need HER to open up a terminal and run the script
19:09.25gpmand have her double click the script
19:09.28gpmno no
19:09.30WKnighthmm
19:09.30benjamindeesWKnight, add a shortcut to the desktop that points to a little script that accepts standard input and writes a new file on the desktop;  drag and drop
19:09.34valdynWanderingKnight: script converts all in a dir , mom copies file in that dir and double clicks
19:09.37gpmyeah, it's not hard
19:09.40WKnighthmm
19:09.41valdynWanderingKnight: she can do that ;)
19:09.47WKnightwell, let me check on that
19:09.51mbroekerWKnight, change line 65 and you have a simple gui :) http://rafb.net/p/jgj6LQ92.html
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19:11.00WKnighthmm, so if I just put lame instead of mencoder, that should do the trick?
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19:11.18gpmmbroeker: nice
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19:11.59abrotmanmbroeker: you need a hobby
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19:12.04mbroekergpm, this is my second python app :)
19:12.14SexyKenHey guys - howdo you create a software raid setup in debian net install cd
19:12.18abrotman!ig
19:12.18dpkgI heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is now the new Testing!
19:12.53WKnightI'll check on it later, I've got some things to do
19:12.55WKnightthanks :D
19:13.00stewSexyKen: create partitions of type "Linux RAID" and then the raid options will appear
19:13.09benjamindeesthis is so ridiculous;  print preview in gnumeric looks backwards but prints out okay...
19:13.23abrotmanbenjamindees: just put the paper in upsidedown!
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19:15.41SexyKencan software raid be used for the /boot partition
19:15.43bonez44anyone know..can one play World of Warcraft or City of Heroes .... and run it well...all the goodies on Linux yet?
19:15.52abrotmanbonez44: ask #winehq
19:15.54valdynSexyKen: sure
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19:16.43valdynbonez44: www.winehq.com
19:17.12mimcpherMan, I just found a woody netinst cd under my desk
19:17.18benjamindeeskspread is at least nice enough to disable page sizes and orientation settings
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19:21.14benjamindeesis there like a debian-printing project?
19:21.15mbroekerabrotman, yes, i need a hobby. i am going out now. Cu.
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19:24.47Sakecan I diff a directory with its backup directory to see if permissions on a file have changed? Is there a better way of doing this?
19:24.58benjamindeessigh, I suppose I can find 200 megs for openoffice
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19:25.20benjamindeesSake, I use 'unison'
19:26.00bonez44valdyn: thanks
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19:26.29benjamindeesor rsync probably has 'just check and update nothing' mode
19:27.08keith4Sake: as far as I can tell, diff does not report differences in permissions like that
19:27.12keith4*however*
19:27.34keith4you can certainly 'ls -l dir1 > foo1', 'ls -l dir2 > foo2', 'diff foo1 foo2'
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19:28.04Sakekeith4: what's the diff? Why make the links
19:28.07SakeI like the idea of rsync
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19:30.02Bushmillssake, you can diff sorted lists of output of    stat -c "%a %n" *
19:30.33Bushmillsor when sorting maybe better "%n %a"
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19:31.27Sakekeith4: I thought you did ln, not ls. That makes alot of sense
19:31.29Sakeis there a good command-line diff program to visualize changes?
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19:31.37Sakethose arrows are unreadable
19:31.49Bushmillsdiff -u  ?
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19:32.07benjamindeesyeah diff -u
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19:34.16keith4Sake: there are several frontends to diff
19:34.27keith4such as 'tkdiff'
19:34.36keith4and 'fldiff'
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19:35.41keith4and probably 'xdiff'
19:36.18abrotmanyou don't like xxdiff? :)
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19:36.39jaggz-Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel-dom-inspector_2.0.0.13-0etch1_all.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.36 80]
19:36.48jaggz-is the IP not found or the package not found?
19:36.52abrotmanpackage
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19:37.36jaggz-hmph.
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19:38.24jaggz-it's called mozilla-firefox...
19:38.47jaggz-I wonder if that will get my thingy to work.. where I want to examine the containers of elements
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19:40.00jaggz-no.. that's not it.. it relies on the iceweasel one.. grr.
19:40.25Sakekeith4: are these command-line based?
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19:40.55dondelelcarojaggz-: run apt-get update; and try again.
19:41.03dondelelcarojaggz-: the .13-0etch1 version isn't the current version.
19:41.15mafiayeah
19:41.30jaggz-yeah.. just did that.  :)  thanks
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19:41.43mafiathats me
19:42.05mafiaans me
19:42.35mafiawho is MTN
19:42.47abrotmanmafia: do you have a Debian question?
19:43.08mafiayeah
19:43.15mafiai know
19:43.17wadI did "apt-get upgrade" and noticed that one of my packages was updates. I've been digging around on debian.org, but I can't find a place that tells me what changed in the package. I'm looking here: http://packages.debian.org/etch/wordpress
19:43.42mafiapls i dont
19:44.02abrotmanmafia: this is not a social channel, perhaps try #defocus
19:45.21mafiahow
19:45.29abrotmanmafia: /join #defocus
19:45.31mafiapls am sorry
19:45.45mafiawho is defocus
19:45.57mafiagist me
19:46.13mafiaare u busy
19:46.22mafiayes i know
19:46.29mafiai can see
19:46.34mafiathat
19:46.50mafiabye
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20:01.34joe__Do any of you use the nvidia proprietary driver?
20:01.35sidewalkdamn
20:01.40joe__I is it worth installing?
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20:01.53abrotmanjoe__: that depends on your needs for the system
20:01.58sidewalkanyone around who can help me with the graphicscard in debian for hppa?
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20:02.05abrotman!parisc
20:02.05dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, pa-risc is http://www.parisc-linux.org
20:02.09abrotmandpkg: no help
20:02.09dpkgi haven't a clue, abrotman
20:02.10xerophytevdoes anybody know hwo can i get vlan support for xen with xen 3.2 ? when try network-bridge start netdev=eth0.3 its not working
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20:02.37joe__abrotman, general use, watching tv, IDE's, web browser4s
20:02.41sidewalkthere are pages there which are extremly rarelly updated
20:02.43joe__*browsers
20:03.14abrotmansidewalk: just like the architecture :)
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20:03.25sidewalkabrotman: you shouldnt give out that to people :D
20:03.51abrotmansidewalk: it's not my fault it's a poorly supported architecture in linux
20:04.13adamajoe__: I use it on my laptop, I find it indispensable
20:04.31chopsjoe__: If you don't have a particular need for 3d acceleration you'll probably do better with the open source driver
20:04.45sidewalkill just wait 'til xingu comes along :D
20:04.50chopsjoe__: I used the proprietary driver some years back when I needed 3d, and it was a constant PITA
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20:06.09HSorgYveslet me reask: i have a grub 25 error at stage 2 after a successful fresh debian installation
20:06.36HSorgYvesanyone able to help?
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20:08.05stewHSorgYves: did you find out what "grub 25 error" means?
20:08.16SexyKenAnyone know why apt-get install ssh wouldn't work in etch?
20:08.23SexyKenSo it's not there
20:08.27HSorgYvesstew: yes, "disk read error"
20:08.37stewHSorgYves: can you show us your menu.lst and device.map?
20:08.43streunerSexyKen: show us your sources.list
20:08.48stewSexyKen: show us the output of "apt-cache policy"
20:08.48streuner!info ssh stable
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20:09.04joe__chops, I don't need all the psuedo bubbles and flowers on my desktop, so I think I will stick with the open source 2d one.  Thanks
20:09.07leOnhowdy
20:09.12chopsjoe__: np
20:09.20dpkgssh: (Secure shell client and server (transitional package)), section net, is extra. Version: 1:4.3p2-9 (etch), Packaged size: 1 kB, Installed size: 32 kB
20:09.34HSorgYvesstew: difficult, i can show them at the console of grub but i have to type them... is the end of menu.lst enough?
20:09.48keith4disk read error BAD
20:10.10streunerSexyKen: in paste.debian.net
20:10.13leOnwonder if debian has any tool for creating users and groups in which one can specify a uid and gid scope in which the users/groups will be placed
20:10.18stewHSorgYves: what is the root entry (not the root= parameter to the kernel, but grub's root directive), and what that maps to in device.map
20:10.35chopsleOn: adduser
20:10.52leOnchops: it has that kind of feature?
20:11.22chopsleOn: man adduser
20:11.27HSorgYvesstew: grub's root directive? the "root (hd0,0)"?
20:12.07leOnyeah .. nevermind ... seen it --firstuid and --lastuid ... sometimes i wish read the man pages down to the bottom
20:12.27chopsleOn: Sometimes I wish everyone would :-)
20:12.42leOnchops: thanks for the patience
20:12.43leOn=)
20:12.45chopsleOn: np
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20:14.21leOnhmmm .. apparently addgroup doesn't support that ... at least from the manpage
20:14.42chopsleOn: groupadd -K GID_MIN=blah -K GID_MAX=blah groupname
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20:15.13leOnthanks again =)
20:15.17chopsleOn: np
20:17.07leOnyou wouldn't happen to know by heart the scope used for daemon/services users and groups in debian
20:17.49jelly-homeleOn: scope?
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20:18.12stewleOn: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2
20:18.14chopsleOn: If you want the default, don't specify arguments :-)
20:18.18stew(i think)
20:18.20leOnfor uids and gids
20:18.32chopsleOn: Or cat /etc/adduser.conf
20:18.40poseidonHow can I get dual screens?  (I have two of them =P)
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20:19.17leOnalright .. 100 <= uid/gid <= 999
20:19.23leOnseems fair to me
20:19.24leOn=)
20:19.47leOntrying to roll out a package that needs user/group creation
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20:20.19chopsleOn: addgroup --system is better than specifying numbers
20:20.26chopsleOn: If nothing else, it's more clear :-)
20:20.39leOnyep
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20:24.21HSorgYvesstew: setup has run "grub-install (hd0)"; before the kernel line there is "root (hd0,0)" and in device.map there is (hd0) /dev/sda
20:24.35nascentminddoes kget automatically search for mirrors for a particular file?
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20:25.15AwesomeGuyI'm trying to open programs with wine, but they keep not opening at all.
20:25.27AwesomeGuythey just say the program name then library not found
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20:28.48n3klI have installed a system using an etch disk, and for some reason it keeps using lenny sources after the system reboots.  So before I do anything, I already have a mixed system.
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20:29.07n3klI have used this same disk on other systems and I am positive that I have not had this result.
20:29.12n3klWhat am I doing wrong?
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20:29.41petemcused an old etch cd that points to testing?
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20:30.07petemclooking in /etc/apt/sources.list before you start installing packages might help
20:30.07n3klAh, its possible.
20:30.36n3klpetemc: I did.  As soon as I rebooted from install changed all lenny to etch
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20:37.46HSorgYvesstew: still alive?
20:39.15DexterFvaldyn: I ran dkpg-reconfigure mdadm, seems the initrd was set to start arrays. I now disabled that and will see if it assembles alright when I do it manually after the boot process is complete.
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20:39.35Pulpiehey
20:39.55DexterFvaldyn: I chmod'ded /sbin/mdadm a-x from a live CD, still it assembled - the initrd contains its own mdadm binary?
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20:44.06Trampwhy does file-rc exist at all? Almost nobody seems to use it and it just causes maintenance effort (e.g. in the policy manual or in update-rc.d). It seems pointless to me.
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20:45.09TrampSo unless there is a strategic decision ("we will drop sysv-rc" in 2012") I don't understand, why a second mechanism is maintained at all.
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20:47.43TrampEven here you'd basically have to ask first for file-rc before answering a question concerning the init-mechanism. It's just never done, because the answer would be no anyways
20:47.54eheilHey everone.  I need some assistance getting X to run on my Sun Ultra2.  For some reason, x doesn't seem to recognize the video hw in the box.
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20:49.53arcsky_Is there something specill i have to do before i login to my digest authentication ? i cant login ... http://pastebin.com/m411bdca3
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20:55.07poseidonDo regular firefox extensions work with iceweasel
20:55.20maxamillionposeidon: i haven't found one that doesn't
20:55.39maxamillionposeidon: so, "yes" but i don't know for a fact that it is "supported"
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20:57.49sly007Hello, I am using lenny and I have a problem installing kde. At one point it says dpkg: error processing exim4-daemon-light
20:57.53sly007Any fix?
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21:01.42vjoeanyone using Steam with Wine? How can I preload tf2?
21:01.58sly007the exact error I have is Starting MTA:exim: incompatible command-line options or arguments
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21:02.01sly007invoke-rc.d: initscript exim4, action "start" failed.
21:02.03sly007dpkg: error processing exim4-daemon-light (--configure):
21:02.03dpkgThat isn't an error, post the whole output to paster.
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21:04.51sly007Here is the full error log: http://pastebin.com/d379cd639
21:04.58sly007Can anybody help me please?
21:05.03bztunkno
21:05.07asnThe open-source ATI driver (radeon) is called ati in debian?
21:05.18sly007bztunk: why?
21:05.23abrotman!bts
21:05.23dpkgBug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges .
21:05.40abrotmanasn: ati autoselects the "best" available for your card
21:05.49abrotmanasn: if your card runs on 'radeon' it will load that
21:06.05asnabrotman: and how can I check which driver ati selected?
21:06.37abrotmanlook in your xorg log ?
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21:08.34asnabrotman: It's either fglrx or radeon, right? (Or are there other drivers, too?)
21:08.45Trampsly007: in case yo missed it: abrotman's remark (bts) was for you. Your problem is 476987
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21:09.36abrotmanasn: fglrx only happens if you choose to install that driver .. the 'ati' will choose between ati/radeon
21:09.59asnabrotman: And what exactly is the ati driver? Open-source too?
21:10.07asnabrotman: because from what I see, it selected ati
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21:11.31DexterFasn: fglrx is closed src and royally sucks
21:11.39DexterFtalking from 4 years experience
21:11.50asnDexterF: I'm talking about the ati driver, not the fglrx
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21:12.10DexterFasn: ati driver is getting there. what card do you have?
21:12.21asnRadeon 9600XT
21:12.27asnAnd I'm getting some terrible problems with Xorg
21:12.35asnand I'm wondering if the driver is what causes it
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21:13.36asnso I would like to switch to the radeon driver, to see if that fixes it.
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21:13.43epsilonah, 9600XT is a nice card, I have/had it too
21:13.50vslashhi all ; a simple question : we see 10 iso Cd on debian.org, how many are mandatory for a complete install (w/o wm) ? thanks
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21:14.14epsilonvslash: only 1 netinstall CD
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21:14.28benjamindeesvslash, one is mandatory;  but I wouldn't call that 'complete'
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21:14.57poseidonDo you guys use the flash-plugin non-free or is there a open source one that is just as good?
21:15.04Arioch_no clue why they keep building those 10-cd sets. any sane person uses the netinstall anyways.
21:15.08vslashi mean complete as : kernel, binaries, and kernel sources
21:15.10benjamindeesposeidon, gnash rocks
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21:15.33asnSo, how can I explicitly install the radeon driver, and discard the ati one.
21:16.01epsilonvslash: the netinstall will install kernel, but for sources just leech the pckage online instead of 10 CDs
21:16.14poseidonArioch_, I couldn't get an internet connection out of the box.  However all I needed was to be able to get gcc from the cd and I could compile my driver
21:16.45maligorasn, err.. while I'm not entirely sure about how it works on the lower level, using the ati driver will redirect X to the radeon driver for the devices supported by it
21:16.45epsilonit's insane to download 10 CDs just to get the kernel source
21:16.49jamonasn: try changing the ati driver line in xorg.conf to read radeon if you haven't done that yet
21:16.50vslash@epsilon thanks. (i'm coming from BSD, and need Linux to play with Doom !!) :o)
21:16.54Arioch_in that case the first cd should do the trick
21:16.55catsupArioch_: lots of people pay for bandwidth usage
21:17.09asnmaligor: wow
21:17.26benjamindeesI have no problem downloading/purchasing cd/dvd sets;  I install debian on enough machines to make it worthwhile.
21:17.33asnjamon: I'm wondering about that, since debconf doesn't give me a radeon option in dpkg-reconfigure, but gives me an ati one.
21:17.41catsupArioch_: for those people it is cheaper to ship cds than download
21:17.41Arioch_catsup: what's the use in using the old cd's then? they'll have to update their boxes hence downloading new pkg's anyways
21:17.44jamonasn: just try it and see first
21:17.55catsupArioch_: there are also many computers with no internet at all
21:17.58poseidonArioch_, Also, it's not to easy to compile everything from source.  If you don't have an internet connection, the cd's really come in handy, I'm sure
21:18.21asnAlright
21:18.47catsupArioch_: in fact, there are several entire continents where netinst is for the most part unreasonable...
21:18.56asnAlso, what's the matter with debconf for xorg? It gives me a nearly-empty xorg.conf which gives me "no screen found" errors
21:19.01Arioch_poseidon, i can't imagina life without inet anymore... =)
21:19.07benjamindeesthough I have to admit the last time I purchased a set of testing dvds it was a complete waste
21:19.34Arioch_it's not a complete waste, you sponsor the debian project that way!
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21:19.47catsupnot necessarily
21:20.08catsupthe only debian cds i ever bought were from cheapbytes; i don't think they sponsor debian at all, do they?
21:20.17jnguyHello. I'm running Debian testing and I just did an upgrade... and my font sizes are too small.
21:20.21benjamindeesI would have been better off just donating the money instead
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21:20.32jnguyI'm using kde, and was able to change the kde font, but it doesn't seem to affect other applications such as pidgin and firefox.
21:20.33Arioch_part of it, if i'm not mistaking, goes to the debian project
21:20.41vslashthanks to all.
21:20.44jamonwhat would you rest your coffee on then benjamindees?
21:20.44jnguyis there another system-wide font setting I need to change?
21:20.45catsupdebian should sell official merchandise to raise funds, like gnu does
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21:21.00catsupArioch_: i will check...
21:21.17Arioch_they do, eg selling posters, lanyards, ... at Fosdem
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21:21.31poseidonDoes nash allow you to play videos youtube/google/<other popular site here>
21:21.43catsuphttp://www.us.debian.org/CD/vendors/#us
21:21.43poseidonWith a descent quality
21:21.45jnguyOr do I need to somehow change the font size for gnome?
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21:21.51catsupaccording to that, cheapbytes does not contribute to debian
21:21.56sly007Tramp: the bts says the problem is fixed in exim-daemon-light 4.69-3, how do I install it since it isn't in lenny?
21:22.00Arioch_that sucks.
21:22.23catsupfosdem?
21:22.26benjamindeesposeidon, mostly just youtube works;  I haven't gotten google or any major news sites to work.
21:22.26catsupthey should sell stuff online
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21:22.51Arioch_Free/Open Source Developer Meeting, fosdem.org
21:23.02Arioch_true enough.
21:23.06catsupya, i knew it was some conference, but that's not really a good way to raise funds
21:23.18Arioch_it was just an example
21:24.09Arioch_too bad there's only a small part of the dev's that volounteer to sell merch
21:24.25benjamindeesthe nice thing about gnash is, it doesn't have the same exploits as the millions of spambo.. er windows machines out there.
21:24.30Arioch_it's not very efficient to raise funds that way, but it's still better than zip
21:24.32catsupprobably debian doesn't need money anyway
21:24.58Decepticonhow do i figure out the dns servers assigned to my connection via my ISP
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21:25.29catsupDecepticon: cat /etc/resolve.conf -- usually
21:25.30catsuperm
21:25.31catsupresolv.conf
21:25.56benjamindeesDecepticon;  that is usually provided along with your dhcp address, and most clients update /etc/resolv.conf as catsup points out
21:26.04Decepticonhm
21:26.39poseidonHow do I set iceweasel as my defualt web browser?
21:26.52\amethystposeidon:  with gnome?
21:26.54catsupDecepticon: if your resolv.conf says 127.0.0.1, then it's more complicated
21:26.59SW0RDF15Hpreferences
21:27.19Decepticoncatsup it is pointing to my router, 192.168.10.1.... never mind i found it, i logged into my router and saw it there
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21:27.23jamonposeidon: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser should give you a list of available browsers
21:27.56poseidon\amethyst, no kde
21:28.07jnguyWhat is the right way to change gtk font size?
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21:29.49\amethystposeidon:  In the control center, KDE Components -> Component Chooser  I think (I don't use KDE, the default might be to use x-www-browser, in which case you can just what jamon said to configure that
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21:32.51eivindui have an odd problem: `apt-cache show mercurial` lists kdiff3 as recommended, but not required. but `apt-get install mercurial` want to install kdiff3 and all it's deps. how do I resolve this?
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21:34.52froghi, i M trying to use / configure   a serial port. i wish to plug a device through ttyS / minicom. shouldn'T CONFIG_SERIAL=y & CONFIG_SERIAL_CONSOLE=y be enough to reach the goal?
21:34.54benjamindeeseivindu, are you on stable/testing?
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21:35.21eivindubenjamindees: i'm on testing
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21:38.27benjamindeeseivindu, sorry I'm not on testing;  are you sure you're using apt-get and not aptitude?
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21:40.32eivindubenjamindees: yes, i'm sure of that. i always use apt-get. i know of aptitude --without-recommended
21:42.31rocketmasterburning a simple avi file with growisofs says: :-[ SYNCHRONOUS FLUSH CACHE failed with SK=3h/ASC=A0h/ACQ=80h]: Input/output error after writing 100%, any ideas?
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21:46.23rocketmastersomeone mentions today i should use backport, so ok, i added apt line etc, but what do i need? i dont need newer software, i need stable software :) and with my very old linux, i gues smuch older than etch, i could burn dvds without problems, also i could access my usb cardreader, with etch i cant. so whats wrong?
21:46.39rocketmasteri my computer i bought 2 years ago too old?
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21:46.59stewrocketmaster: why can't you with etch?
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21:47.23stewrocketmaster: 2 years old is certainly not too old
21:47.44rocketmasterstew, erm, thats my question. i cant and i could do it with fedora 3, but cant with etch, so the question "why" is my question :)
21:47.52stewrocketmaster: you can
21:48.06rocketmasterno, growisofs fails since i use etch
21:48.16stewrocketmaster: do you get an error?
21:48.28rocketmasterburning a simple avi file with growisofs says: :-[ SYNCHRONOUS FLUSH CACHE failed with SK=3h/ASC=A0h/ACQ=80h]: Input/output error after writing 100%, any ideas?
21:48.51dondelelcarorocketmaster: check dmesg
21:48.55rocketmasteri cant close the dvd, so its lost, i put 20 dvds now in the trash, i think its not worth it
21:50.12rocketmasterdondelelcaro, here is my output, weird messages, tell me absolutely nothin, or better i dont know how to fix it, it runs before, and i expected it to run with etch: http://vizzy.pastebin.com/m58ef9827
21:50.53rocketmasterso whats the solution? using some older more stable kernels?
21:51.03benjamindeeshmm that reminds me I need to disable dma on my cdrom drive in etch...
21:51.24rocketmasterbtw, i had my own brewn kernel in my last linux, i think i will go over and make my own.
21:51.32rocketmasterdisable dma? wtf? :O
21:51.56rocketmasteri think its more or less a driver problem, optimized to death!
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21:52.06ma3xwhat's the java environment package for debian ( the one iceweasel's wanting to install as plugin ) ?
21:52.12benjamindeesrocketmaster, yeah well it's pretty old and broken so ymmv
21:52.16\amethystrocketmaster:  what DVD burner?
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21:52.23\amethystrocketmaster:  also what version of growisofs
21:52.43rocketmastergrowisofs 7.0.1
21:52.58rocketmasterthat one which comes with etch
21:53.36\amethystrocketmaster:  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=392778  is the relevant bug report
21:53.54\amethystrocketmaster:  that person had a Sony DVD-700a
21:54.13\amethystrocketmaster:  the maintainer was unable to reproduce with a different burner, but the bug is still open
21:54.17rocketmastermy dvd; http://vizzy.pastebin.com/m4af02df
21:54.27rocketmasteri have a lg
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21:54.42rocketmasterso its not depending on the drive i guess unless the lg is a sony
21:54.43stewma3x: which arch are you on this time?
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21:55.27ma3xstew: lenny
21:55.43stewma3x: i386 or amd64
21:55.48streunerstew means i386 or amd
21:55.50ma3xstew: i386
21:56.00ma3xyes, sorry
21:56.20stewma3x: sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin are the non-free ones, gcjwebplugin is a free one that rarely works
21:56.22ma3x2.6.24-1-686
21:56.57ma3xwhy apt-get install sun-java5-plugin, wants me to install avahi-daemon
21:57.09ma3xi hate that thing, it slows down my traceroute
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21:57.44Dark_ApostropheCould someone who's using a laptop please give me the touchpad-portion of your xorg.conf?
21:58.05\amethystma3x:  you can install without recommends
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21:58.13dondelelcaroma3x: aptitude why -vv avahi-daemon;
21:58.29\amethystma3x:  it's because sun-java5-plugin recommends libnss-mdns, which depends on avahi-daemon
21:58.45ma3xdondelelcaro: sure as hell hackerish command :)
21:58.53dondelelcaroma3x: hardly
21:59.19rocketmaster\amethyst, do i need to register in some way to response to the bug?
21:59.36ma3xThe following extra packages will be installed:  avahi-daemon libavahi-core5 libdaemon0 libnss-mdns odbcinst1debian1 sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre unixodbc
21:59.37rocketmasterwrote a replymail, hopefully it will reach the tracker
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21:59.54ma3xso if it's automatically installed, i will have to remove it later on
21:59.54rocketmasterso, how to install an older version on etch ?
22:00.53ma3xjust to ask in general, which music player is nice for desktop? i've used xmms in the past, however i don't see it available in packages for lenny. amarok kind of freezes my desktop sometimes
22:01.04rocketmasterxmms!
22:01.23\amethystma3x:  audacious is fairly xmms-like, and still being maintained
22:01.36rocketmasterma3x, maybe search for debian+multimedia in your favorite searchengine, this will lead you to a site containing a lot of mm stuff
22:02.38\amethystrocketmaster: perhaps  http://snapshot.debian.net/package/dvd+rw-tools
22:02.39poseidonIceweasel disapears (the body, not the title) when I mouse over the task bar or another program, and reapears when I mouse over the title bar.  How can I make it so it doesn't do this
22:02.44ma3xthanks
22:02.47`mac`hello,
22:03.00rocketmaster\amethyst, cant i access older versions with synaptic?
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22:03.10`mac`chmod: changing permissions of `/quota.user': Operation not permitted
22:03.10\amethystrocketmaster:  not usually, no
22:03.11ma3xposeidon: click twice on the titlebar
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22:03.25`mac`how can i fix that permit. ?
22:03.25poseidonma3x, lol thanks
22:03.29rocketmasterouch, thx
22:03.33dondelelcaroma3x: you can just go aptitude install --without-recommends sun-java6-plugin; if you want.
22:04.34rocketmaster\amethyst, will that also mean after upgrading a package i cant access the older one?
22:04.51ma3xdondelelcaro: is that option available for apt-get?
22:05.03dondelelcaroma3x: using -o, yes.
22:05.10benjamindeesrocketmaster, you can try installing this: http://packages.debian.org/sarge/dvd+rw-tools
22:05.40\amethystrocketmaster:  you can get old versions from snapshots.debian.net; or if you had installed that version with apt, you can look in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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22:06.42rocketmasterhas an idea, ... hehe, i still have my old system, lets see what happens if i call the older growisofs, at least i could get the version
22:06.46ma3xthanks don
22:08.54benjamindeesgrowisofs from sarge installs okay on etch;  not sure that it works perfectly though
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22:09.32rocketmasterha! its not the problem of growisofs!!!
22:09.42rocketmaster* growisofs by <appro@fy.chalmers.se>, version 7.0.1, is my old version i used in fedora3
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22:10.17rocketmasterso it seems a driver problem
22:11.24rocketmasterIntel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) IDE Controller
22:11.41`mac`how can i fix that quota?
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22:15.07rocketmasterwhat does pci=assign-busses do?
22:15.15rocketmastercan this be the problem?
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22:17.30rocketmastermy old system didnt mention that in dmesg, hmmmm
22:17.38el_ismaHi! Do you know of any packaged program able to take the fourier transform of a picture?
22:17.43rocketmasterit pci bus related
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22:20.10rocketmasterel_isma, maybe http://www.simg.de/index.e.html
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22:21.54GRECOShi
22:25.52adamahello
22:26.04GRECOSwhere are you from?
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22:26.22`mac`can someone please tell me how i can install pf on debian
22:26.41doudouHow can, i connect to X11 from distant windows?
22:26.43GRECOSplease where are you from?
22:26.56dondelelcaro`mac`: pf on everything
22:26.58doudouI am from my kitchen
22:27.05dondelelcaro`mac`: err, pf being what?
22:27.15GRECOSgreece spartans you now?
22:27.24`mac`PacketFilter
22:27.31doudouI stopped tv
22:27.34`mac`tahts what pf is if you dont know
22:27.39dondelelcaroGRECOS: this is not a general chat channel. If you don't have a Debian specific question, please go elsewhere.
22:27.49dondelelcaro`mac`: aptitude install iptables;
22:28.00extordoudou you can type "ssh remoteip -X" and then run an X app from the shell, it will load on your box
22:28.11GRECOSgreece
22:29.00timonatorhey HockeyInJune
22:29.05timonatormi je'a se jbobau
22:29.11HockeyInJuneheh
22:29.14doudouextor, i have a computer with debian, another with Win98, i need a ssh client? putty is good?
22:29.15HockeyInJunethats great
22:29.24GRECOSrussian?
22:29.43amphidoudou: putty worked well last time I used it
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22:30.12extorNo you need X running on the box you ssh from
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22:30.19GRECOSyou now grrece chat?
22:30.22streunerGRECOS: we support Debian (www.debian.org), for general chat go please elsewhere
22:30.34extordoudou you could install vnc, or you could run that windows on linux thingy...but you need X on the box you ssh from
22:30.37amphidoudou: you will need some sort of X server on the win98 machine, to display remote X windows
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22:30.49extorYou could even install VMware on the box
22:30.51doudouamphi, i can connect to my debian with putty via ssh, but if i type startx from putty shell does not work
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22:31.18extorputty will only work for command line...will not launch X apps
22:31.18mimcpherdoudou, I suggest installing Xming on your windows machine
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22:31.31mimcpherAnd then you can run X capable programs
22:31.48extorXming is freeware?
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22:32.28mimcpherXming is a port of X.org to windows
22:32.29maligoryou can proxy X11 in putty iirc
22:32.36maligors/proxy/tunnel/
22:32.43VissI'm having a strange problem with apache2 in debian when I try to issue a restart command using /etc/init.d/apache2 restart . http://pastebin.com/m1bb17637  - does this look familiar to anybody?
22:32.46doudouthanks, i try
22:32.49karstenmaligor: Yep.
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22:33.47karstendoudou: You can also use the Cygwin or native Win32 ports of ssh.  There are some security issues with cygwin relating to shared access to the CygWin32.DLL (or similar) library which you may want to look up though.
22:33.57streunerViss: does apache2 even run?
22:34.29karstendoudou: Essentially:  if anyone you don't trust (or any malware you don't trust) is on the Win box, you may not have the security you want.  Which is to say, in reality, you don't.
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22:34.35Vissstreuner: yes
22:34.38Vissstreuner: itll start
22:34.42doudouwhat confused me is that xming is a Xserver, i supposed i need a client, not a server as server is running on debian xomputer, anyway xming does not support win98
22:34.46Vissstreuner: but if i run a stop or a restart command it does this..
22:35.08Viss"Restarting web server: apache2Terminated"
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22:35.26karstendoudou: X server/client relationship are somewhat interesting to comprehend.
22:35.38karstendoudou: The server is what paints your screen, and runs locally.
22:35.38streunerViss: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say?
22:35.50karstendoudou: The clients are the apps that are painted on your screen, and may run locally or remotely.
22:35.55eivindui have an odd problem: `apt-cache show mercurial` lists kdiff3 as recommended, but not required. but `apt-get install mercurial` want to install kdiff3 and all it's deps. how do I resolve this (running testing)?
22:35.58Vissii  libc6                             2.7-10                  GNU C Library: Shared libraries
22:36.17streunerViss: what does BTS say about?
22:36.26Visswhats bts?
22:36.33karstendoudou: ... unless you're running something like VNC, NX, or other remote display software, in which case the server might also be running "remotely", but is "local" in the context of the remote-access tool.
22:36.40streuner!+tell Viss -about bts
22:36.40dpkgtold Viss about bts.
22:36.51karstendoudou: ... and if your head's not spinning now, please drink more.
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22:37.27Vissgotcha
22:37.29Visshm
22:37.35karstendoudou: "startx" remote won't work.  That _might_ start an X session on the remote system in some cases.
22:37.43VissI dont think its a bug though..
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22:37.53Vissits gotta be something in one of the apache scripts
22:37.54doudoukarsten, i supposed that something simplier was available, i can run a x session under firefox?
22:38.22karstendoudou: ... but in general won't depending on how /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config is set up.
22:38.42karstendoudou: There's a lot of things you *can* do.  What do you *want* to do?
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22:40.16doudouI want to connect from w98 to my debian box to run a X session from where i could run firefox. I would like to install something minimal on my old W98 computer
22:40.24Codex_what could cause laptop fan to stop (and never start again), and eventually it overheats and shutdowns the machine?
22:40.44karstendoudou: If you want to run a local (on Windows) X server and have remote (Linux) clients display to it:  launch an X server locally.  Tunnel X11 to your remote host.  SSH to that host.  Export your tunneled display (usually ":10" or similar).  Run an X desktp (gnome, kde, xfce4, ratpoison, windowmaker, etc.) under that shell.
22:41.05karstendoudou: ... which will then display _locally_ on your Windows box, tunneled through SSH from your remote host.
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22:42.05karstendoudou: Xming + PuTTY and/or Cygwin SSH are probably your best bets.  Otherwise I'd run VNC or NX ("NoMachine") to give me a persistant, remotely-accessible GUI session on the Linux side.
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22:42.17karsten!tell doudou about nx
22:42.20karsten!tell doudou about vnc
22:42.28doudoukarsten, yes, now i run putty to run weechat-curses to chat here, i thougth is was simple to get more
22:42.30karstendoudou: nx is the newer, shinier option.
22:43.03karstendoudou: It's moderately simple, and you can script something to make it straightforward, though I'd have to think about how I'd go about doing it.
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22:43.07brnkrauthey there
22:43.10karstendoudou: I don't run Windows, so I don't have this problem.
22:43.37brnkrautnecessity has me moving to a centralized authentication setup and I chose NIS for the time being
22:44.33brnkrautfor some reason on my older 3.1 system I cannot resolve any of the hosts distributed via the /etc/hosts mapping
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22:44.43brnkrautgeteng shows all of the hosts in the mapping
22:44.49brnkrautgetent I meant
22:44.52karstendoudou:  http://linuxgazette.net/129/pitcher.html  http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/18137.html http://cyberknights.com.au/doc/PuTTY-tunnelling-HOWTO.html http://dt.in.th/2007-12-19.windows-ssh-x-tunnel.html
22:44.59brnkrautI don't have this problem on my 4.0 boxes
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22:45.36karstenbrnkraut: What's /etc/nsswitch.conf say in terms of ^hosts:
22:46.19karstenbrnkraut: 'files db' or similar should allow /etc/hosts to resolve.  If files *isn't* first in whatever list is there, it needs to be, if you want /etc/hosts to resolve first.
22:46.24brnkrautkarsten: files nis dns
22:46.30karstenbrnkraut: Hrm.
22:46.36brnkrautvery strange
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22:46.47karstenbrnkraut: At which point I make the gratuitous suggestion that NIS sucks ;-)
22:46.58karstenbrnkraut: It's part of my daily hell, but only a small part at present.
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22:47.07brnkrautyeah, I know that but it's easy enough to deploy until I have time to do it properly
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22:47.33karstenbrnkraut: Yeah.  Sorry, I'm no good for troubleshooting at present.  Try one of the NIS HOWTOs.
22:48.12brnkrautthe config is fine, the mappings are all there, just strangeness with hosts for some reason
22:48.17streunerViss: show us your sources.list please in paste.debian.net
22:49.38karstenbrnkraut: what commands are you using to resolve hosts?  Do 'dig', 'host', 'nslookup', and 'ypmatch' return the same or different results?  Note that not all of those use the same resolver libs.
22:49.58benjamindeeshmm, I'm not going to make it through the users list;  did that guy get his DVD problem sorted?
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22:50.09karstenbrnkraut: IIRC 'ypmatch' *only* uses NIS (with the appropriate incantation), 'host' and/or 'nslookup' *only* uses the BIND resolver.
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22:51.16karstendoudou: The Linux Gazette article looks like a good start BTW.
22:52.17brnkrautkarsten: been using ping
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22:52.23brnkrautsimple ping
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22:52.43ma3xwhy is the sound volume so low for snd_hda_intel?
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22:53.16ma3xi've tried to load the module with different options: mode=laptop or test, but volume is still extremly low
22:53.53Meawma3x, no idea...but you probably need a mixer
22:53.53brnkrautma3x: have you adjusted the mixer?
22:54.02streunerViss: try aptitude install roundcube-core first
22:54.03karstenbrnkraut: Then try the other tools.  Ping is a ICMP connection testing protocol, and runs through your resolver.
22:54.06brnkrautma3x: aumix will do the trick if you don't have one.
22:54.29brnkrautkarsten: the resolver SHOULD work with the yp host mapping
22:54.34karstenbrnkraut: This suggests that /etc/resolv.conf isn't properly configured.  Test with the above commands, RTFM for what specifically they're doing.
22:54.38brnkrautit works on all of my 4.0 boxes, that's the crazy part
22:54.39ma3xbrnkraut: i adjusted all volumes to maximum with alsamixer. is that not good enough?
22:54.40karstenbrnkraut: "should" and "is" are the problem.
22:55.05karstenbrnkraut: The commands I gave you "should" :) point you in the direction of the actual fault.
22:55.09brnkrautkarsten: above command?
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22:55.15brnkrautmust have missed it.
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22:55.49karstenbrnkraut: IIRC 'ypmatch' *only* uses NIS (with the appropriate incantation), 'host' and/or 'nslookup' *only* uses the BIND resolver.
22:56.04karstenbrnkraut: what commands are you using to resolve hosts?  Do 'dig', 'host', 'nslookup', and 'ypmatch' return the same or different results?  Note that not all of those use the same resolver libs.
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22:57.30eivinduapt-get seems to have changed it's behaviour recently by installing recommends automatically as default. can be mediated with "Apt::Install-Recommends false;" in apt.conf. Anyone else noticed this?
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22:58.36streunerDon't use pinning, problem solved :-P
22:59.57brnkrautkarsten: ypmatch works fine all the others fail
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23:00.05benjamindeesso, hypothetically speaking, when lenny is actually frozen, how long will this be for?
23:00.13brnkrautkarsten: this is consistent between both the 4.0 and 3.1 systems
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23:01.01hellueshow can i open .djv files
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23:01.15hellueswhich program is used for opening this type
23:02.02benjamindeeshellues, apt-cache search djv -> djview
23:02.23karstenbrnkraut: Then your NIS configuration is good, but your BIND resolver is b0rken.
23:02.30benjamindeeshellues, or evince
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23:04.41streunerbenjamindees: till all bugs are gone ;-)
23:05.23benjamindeesstreuner, yeah, I'll believe it when I see it;  did someone really say that?
23:05.39brnkrautkarsten: where does the bind resolver enter the picture?
23:06.02streunerbenjamindees: what should someone say about?
23:06.30benjamindeesstreuner, is that really a policy of sorts?
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23:08.30streunerbenjamindees: see, if ALL RC bugs are solved lenny is ready to become stable
23:09.10benjamindeesstreuner, okay, but if testing is only frozen for three weeks then not very many RC bugs will be reported :p
23:09.26streuneressential is frozen, btw
23:10.27benjamindees!essential
23:11.12streunerjust google for
23:11.19karstenbrnkraut: /etc/resolv.conf, generally, but I'm a bit rusty on that.
23:11.42karstenbrnkraut: NIS HOWTO and BIND/DNS HOWTO are what you want to be reading.
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23:12.59benjamindeesstreuner, where can I get a list of essential packages?
23:13.07streunerbenjamindees: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-binary.html
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23:13.15streunerbenjamindees: read 3.7
23:14.16leOnhmm .. what's the best way of ending up with a .orig.tar.gz file and a diff file when building a package? ... i'm only getting one .tar.gz with both the original source and the my own debian directory
23:14.22benjamindeesstreuner, yeah I'm looking at that
23:15.05dondelelcaroleOn: you don't have an orig.tar.gz
23:15.17dondelelcaroleOn: you start with one, and from that and the working directory, you generate a .diff.gz and a .dsc
23:15.26dondelelcaroleOn: man dpkg-source; if you're lost
23:16.06dondelelcaro(specifically the bit about the -b option)
23:16.22leOnthanks
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23:22.04Vissstreuner: I ended up just hacking it. I was removing and reinstalling roundcube and every time the apache lines kept screwing me up
23:22.14Vissso i edited /etc/init.d/apache2 to run straight commands
23:22.18Vissrather than hook into the rc system
23:22.29Vissnow its like a 15 line script that just calls apache2ctl for stop/start/restart
23:22.31Vissand that fixed the issue
23:22.47streuner!congratulate Viss
23:22.47dpkgGood show Viss, you did it!
23:22.57Vissyay for stuff.
23:22.58Visshaha
23:23.37streunerwell, i would install roundcube first and strace then
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23:24.06streunerif you don't have php packages installed, its easier :-)
23:25.36streuners/its easier/it seems to be easier/
23:26.21streunercannot reproduce the error here...
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23:27.12streunerroundcube was install-able and strace was easy to re-install
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23:29.48benjamindees"switch /bin/sh to dash" seems like a rather odd release goal for lenny
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23:30.54benjamindeeslike, we can add perl and python (and apparently ruby as some idiot suggested earlier) to the base system, but we'll save 500kb if we port everything to dash :rolleyes:
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23:32.28nevynbenjamindees: thing is you shouldn't rely on sh being bash and changing the implementation allows for a statically linked sh.
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23:33.04benjamindeesnevyn, have you ever really used dash?
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23:33.34benjamindeesit doesn't even have if statements
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23:34.39maxt3rhave just got my new server hardware, i was thinging about i shall use 64 Bit system ore 32 i have a amd 4400+ CPU and 1 GB ram what is best
23:35.02extorI just did an nmap of a freshly installed box and I found ports 22, 25, 111 and 113 were open. How can I shut down the daemons for everything except ssh?
23:35.23dondelelcaroextor: netstat -plunt; and stop whatever you want.
23:35.49extorhow about stopping them from starting each time? And plunt is a nice switch
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23:37.39dondelelcaroextor: remove whatever you don't want to start; in the case of exim, if you don't plan on receiving mail, install nullmailer instead.
23:37.40ceil420is /etc/bash.bashrc supposed to be debian's global bashrc?
23:38.06benjamindeeshahaha holy -- "By enabling dash as the default shell, I shaved 1 second of the boot time."  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Dash
23:38.10extornullmailer?
23:38.14dondelelcaroceil420: not supposed to be, it is.
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23:38.24extorWhy not just remove the exim package altogether
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23:38.35dondelelcaroextor: because you should always be able to get mail off of any machine.
23:38.36leOnextor: some are started from inetd, comment the relevant lines on the inetd.conf file
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23:38.37ceil420dondelelcaro, i made a change and it didn't work, so i was just asking :x
23:38.59leOnextor: some are controled by init scripts .. for those you can use the update-rc.d command
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23:40.40jbtthis might be OT, but i'm using awstat on debian 4 and fbsd my fbsd data file has this awstat020202.mysite.txt format while on debian mysite section is missing
23:41.07jbtany idea? i'm using this http://wiki.debian.org/Manual-Howto#head-af0cf2b4461252ac231800c12fa5d28f3a04e166 as reference
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23:42.50Blast_HardcheeseSo I've had 3 nics in my machine so far, I've removed the first two and replaced them with a third; How can I rename eth2 to eth0?
23:43.24format_cBlast_Hardcheese, have a look into /etc/udev/rules.d
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23:45.01Blast_HardcheeseAwesome, thanks
23:45.06benjamindeesso, if this is offtopic please let me know, but I've been using sarge for a while now, and I'm kind of wondering how the release process for lenny is going to prevent the types of bugs I've noticed...
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23:45.24format_cBlast_Hardcheese, no
23:45.33benjamindeesheh, s/sarge/etch/
23:45.43Blast_Hardcheeseformat_c: no?
23:45.53format_cI mean np
23:46.03format_cdidnt look on my keyboard
23:46.05format_c:)
23:46.08Blast_HardcheeseAh, :)
23:46.10format_cwatching tv
23:46.14Blast_HardcheeseAh
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23:48.23benjamindeesit's really just stupidly annoying things that make real desktop usage impossible: only one of the three (?) spreadsheet programs seems to be able to print a document correctly; only one of the three (?) pdf viewers consistently renders documents correctly, and depending on which page size you'd like to use, only one of them can print it...
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23:49.40benjamindeesgui programs don't support cups;  cutecom has missing dependencies;  konqueror silently refuses to accept invalid certificates "forever"
23:50.09ceil420wtf is cutecom?
23:50.16ceil420(also, lol KDE)
23:50.27benjamindeesit's a serial terminal program, like the one that comes with every windows install ever...
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23:50.58ceil420"serial terminal program" is over my head
23:51.01ceil420googles
23:51.54hatterwhat can i do when the debian installer generic ide driver fails ?  I have a new intel motherboard, and once it gets to the driver for the cdrom it fails and asks for a driver , it boots ok with kanotix
23:52.05format_cbenjamindees, do you mean something like screen?
23:52.20benjamindeeswineconsole doesn't actually work in a console (that's a problem in testing but I'll be interested to see if it gets fixed)
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23:52.37benjamindeesformat_c, like hyperterminal
23:52.49ceil420what's hyperterminal do?
23:53.05benjamindeesit runs a terminal on a serial port... :-/
23:53.06format_cbenjamindees, screen /dev/ttyS0
23:53.16ceil420you mean a hardware I/O monitor?
23:53.30ceil420sumn driver devs would use?
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23:53.54format_cbenjamindees, you need to be member of the :dialout: group
23:55.17ceil420lol i didn't know rae was on FN
23:55.19benjamindeesactually, since lots of businesses still run programs on remote *nix servers, it's likely someone besides devs would use it
23:55.46benjamindeesformat_c, I know;  I am
23:56.02format_cDoes it work?
23:57.01benjamindeesformat_c, that doesn't change the fact that the 'send file' button silently fails without lrzsz installed, or the fact that no protocols but y-modem actually work, or the fact that regardless what protocol you select, the program tells you it's transferring via x-modem...
23:57.35benjamindeesor, more importantly, the fact that these bugs or bugs like them probably will exist in lenny as well
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23:57.49ceil420how can i edit the list of "Sessions" available at login?
23:58.11leOnhmm .. shouldn't dpatch keep track of applied patched in debian/patched automagically?
23:58.24leOns/applied patched/applied patches/
23:59.24format_cbenjamindees, Mhh do not really understand relation to serial terminal progamm
23:59.29format_cissue

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