| 00:01.25 | benjamindees | format_c, it's just one of about a thousand slightly buggy programs that apparently never got used between the time that they were placed into the repository and subsequently released as part of a stable distro... |
| 00:02.23 | benjamindees | and I'm just kind of wondering if that's a pattern that will continue with lenny or what can be done to prevent it |
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| 00:02.52 | format_c | benjamindees, screen is a popular and mature program. I never experienced problems with it. Nice features |
| 00:03.01 | format_c | You can also use it via USB |
| 00:03.52 | benjamindees | format_c, that's great, and my problem isn't really with cutecom, but can I use screen in a GUI? |
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| 00:04.10 | orzo | hello |
| 00:04.18 | format_c | screen is a text based Terminal Emulation |
| 00:04.21 | ceil420 | how can i edit the list of "Sessions" available at login? i use gdm, and wanna remove stuff |
| 00:04.51 | orzo | is there a support channel for debian on embedded systems? |
| 00:05.38 | trifler | whats the best "vmware" for debian? |
| 00:05.56 | orzo | i have a nas that people have put debian on, and i'm trying to install to it. Currently i a different linux firmware but i have a telnet shell with a debian root image that i can chroot into. I want help installing a kernel if i can get it |
| 00:06.54 | orzo | hm |
| 00:07.04 | orzo | i remember this channel being a whole lot more noisy |
| 00:07.17 | format_c | trifler, vmware-workstation ? |
| 00:07.22 | ceil420 | i wish it were more noisy right about now :( |
| 00:07.33 | orzo | ya |
| 00:07.54 | miksuh | orzo: it's 3:07am atleast here now :) |
| 00:08.11 | miksuh | midle of the night |
| 00:08.17 | orzo | ceil420: look at update-rc.d |
| 00:08.20 | miksuh | zzzzzz |
| 00:08.36 | quipster | bzzzzzzzzz |
| 00:08.36 | format_c | miksuh, poland? |
| 00:08.36 | miksuh | finland |
| 00:08.36 | orzo | hm, nevermind, ceil420, i think your question is abuot configuring gdm |
| 00:09.20 | ceil420 | orzo, yeah, i don't know if it's gdm-specific or if it just reads from a list of available 'sessions' i can edit somewhere |
| 00:09.27 | benjamindees | orzo, you want to upgrade the kernel or what? |
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| 00:10.28 | benjamindees | orzo, what kind of hardware is it? |
| 00:10.29 | orzo | benjamindees: yes, I have a firmware on the device that has a 2.4 kernel on it and a root fs in flash. I have a debian root fs on an ide device and i want to flash a 2.6 kernel and use that root fs in order to have a regular debian install on teh device |
| 00:10.41 | orzo | benjamindees: it is an Asus WLHDD 2.5 |
| 00:10.56 | benjamindees | orzo, so it does not currently have debian? |
| 00:11.03 | orzo | a little box with an internal hard drive, a usb port, an ehternet port, and a wireless antena |
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| 00:11.19 | `mac` | anyone know how i can install pf? |
| 00:11.24 | `mac` | having issues with it |
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| 00:11.39 | orzo | benjamindees: it doesnt really have debian, but i can get access to most of debian by using chroot. I have apt-get in there and such. |
| 00:11.59 | benjamindees | orzo, what does it have now? openwrt or something? |
| 00:12.09 | orzo | it has oleg's firmware |
| 00:12.31 | orzo | http://oleg.wl500g.info/ |
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| 00:13.20 | benjamindees | yes I see |
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| 00:14.51 | lvlefisto | hi all, i am having this error after every installation using synaptic: "E: exim4-daemon-light: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1". Followed by errors about at, mailx and cyrus dependency problems |
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| 00:14.56 | lvlefisto | can anyone help me? |
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| 00:15.10 | jo4 | so, does the memtest software ever stop? |
| 00:15.29 | benjamindees | jo4, heh, no I don't believe so |
| 00:15.44 | lvlefisto | this is just after upgraded from stable to lenny. |
| 00:16.11 | jo4 | oh, ok, so it just keeps on going and going then?!? |
| 00:16.29 | Tramp | lvlefisto: check bugs.debian.org. It's in there |
| 00:16.40 | lvlefisto | thanks Tramp |
| 00:17.08 | hatter | jo4, it keeps going until you stop it |
| 00:17.09 | rocketmaster | where is the package termcap-compat for etch? i cant find it in synaptic |
| 00:17.18 | jo4 | ok, ty |
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| 00:17.21 | hatter | usually half hour or so is long enough |
| 00:19.04 | rocketmaster | aptitude install termcap-compat also fails, where is it for etch? |
| 00:19.25 | `mac` | got fail2ban runing what else do i need to provent this bruceforce attach |
| 00:19.37 | rocketmaster | compatibility faq mentions i should install it to get rid of errormessages, e.g. mencoder needs it |
| 00:19.45 | benjamindees | orzo, do you have some howto in mind that you're following or do you want etch or sarge or what? |
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| 00:20.32 | benjamindees | rocketmaster, did you get your dvd issue sorted? |
| 00:20.59 | rocketmaster | benjamindees, NO, but i will try using my own brewn kernel, that often helps. |
| 00:21.42 | rocketmaster | but i dont have time to mess around with a new kernel now :) need to be more productive, but .... grrrr :)) |
| 00:21.49 | benjamindees | rocketmaster, I was going to say I have an ICH2 chipset that gives dma errors when I use the cdrom; I thought that nodma would fix it but it didn't; upgrading to 2.6.24 seems to though... |
| 00:22.06 | Tramp | rocketmaster: termcap-compat has been removed - which compatibility faq are you referring to? |
| 00:22.08 | rocketmaster | :O, ok, ill try that too |
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| 00:22.22 | benjamindees | !tell rocketmaster about etchnhalf |
| 00:22.33 | rocketmaster | Tramp,http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-compat.de.html |
| 00:22.57 | rocketmaster | so the manual should be updated :) the english version also mentions termcap-compat |
| 00:23.03 | orzo | i've been trying to follow this: http://wpkg.org/Running_Debian_on_ASUS_WL-500G_deluxe |
| 00:23.08 | rocketmaster | a lot of programs need it, at least mencoder |
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| 00:23.44 | rocketmaster | benjamindees, thx :) |
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| 00:24.07 | rocketmaster | Tramp, so, if its removed, whgats the replacement that makes programs work hat need libtermcap? |
| 00:24.08 | orzo | benjamindees, it is a debian etch base system that i have already installed |
| 00:24.38 | benjamindees | orzo, you have installed it as a chroot on the device? |
| 00:25.16 | orzo | benjamindees, yes, but i have a 2.4 kernel on the device, and soem things like screen dont work |
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| 00:25.49 | Twigathy | Todays tip of the day: one wrong command == mdadm array bamf :D |
| 00:26.02 | rocketmaster | so, is there no replacement for termcap-compat??? |
| 00:26.09 | orzo | benjamindees, and it runs a bunch of daemons and such outside of teh chroot, such as ftp and telnet |
| 00:26.11 | benjamindees | orzo, oh or it's on a usb device I guess |
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| 00:26.43 | rocketmaster | hmmm, i thin it was not so good idea to install etch without trying it out first on a non productive machine :( |
| 00:27.05 | orzo | benjamindees: no, my device is not exactly the asus wl500g. It is a WLHDD2.5. A very similar device, but with an internal harddrive |
| 00:27.17 | orzo | so i am using the internal hard drive |
| 00:27.18 | Tramp | rocketmaster: huh. No program should need it - and this FAY seems outdated. Which program gives you trouble? |
| 00:27.32 | benjamindees | orzo, okay I was going to ask since this page doesn't mention your device |
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| 00:28.05 | rocketmaster | tramp, mencoder, so...... why is it removed? i doint see a reason to have some compat libs, even old apps are almost very cool |
| 00:28.15 | orzo | well if you can find a simple howto specifically for my device, i am not attached to any particular way to get debian on it |
| 00:29.06 | Tramp | rocketmaster: but not mencoder from dmm. It probably was removed, because it is not needed anymore. |
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| 00:29.31 | benjamindees | orzo, I'm just kind of curious if you haven't installed a kernel yet whether your device is similar enough to these that supposedly work |
| 00:29.51 | rocketmaster | Tramp, however, my mencoder i installed here needs it, and i need mencoder to finish my work, creating a video from thousands of files i rendered weeks long, and i really like to get finished. |
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| 00:30.16 | clocksys | debian from everything i need total installation 1.38GiB's |
| 00:30.30 | ia64 | hi guys, how to disable PHP5 extensions in debian? |
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| 00:31.15 | markybob | ia64 extensions? in apache? |
| 00:31.27 | grendal_prime | can someone help me with awk? |
| 00:31.29 | Tramp | rocketmaster: (1) if you use a distribution, you are usually bound to the distributions SW (2) if you absolutely need it, you may download the old sarge package, extract it and drop the .so somewhere |
| 00:31.45 | streuner | grendal_prime: #awk? |
| 00:31.54 | grendal_prime | k thanks |
| 00:32.01 | benjamindees | rocketmaster, depending on the deps you can probably just install the old package directly |
| 00:32.01 | ia64 | php5 extensions, such as exif, gd, etc. |
| 00:32.07 | clocksys | with 1.38G's I can use the basic asus eeepc with 2G's |
| 00:32.20 | Tramp | rocketmaster: the latter is a hack though. You should fix the underlying problem (using unsupported software) as soon as you can. |
| 00:32.45 | markybob | ia64 edit /etc/php/php.ini and enable/disable whatever you want |
| 00:33.13 | DirkGently | clocksys: spooky I was just looking up eeepc's... seeing if pc900 is out |
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| 00:33.33 | ia64 | markybob - that's the deal, nothing is up there but phpinfo() gives dozen or so extensions |
| 00:33.50 | benjamindees | orzo, so have you done the research to determine that your device has the same cpu, memory amount, chipsets, etc. as these devices supported by this kernel in the howto? |
| 00:33.58 | DirkGently | a bit pricey... think I might wait a year |
| 00:34.03 | poseidon | What are linux apps predomonately written in? c++ |
| 00:34.23 | orzo | benjamindees: before I got to where I am now, i had a debian base and swap installed on a usb stick and i used tftp to flash openwrt-brcm47xx-2.6-jffs2-128k.trx. The device was dead after that until i flashed oleg's firmware |
| 00:34.26 | benjamindees | poseidon, c and c++ mostly |
| 00:34.28 | DirkGently | and I really want Debian to have room to breath |
| 00:34.30 | DirkGently | e |
| 00:34.34 | clocksys | the 2G is around $250 now |
| 00:34.51 | orzo | benjamindees: ya |
| 00:34.54 | DirkGently | I'm in the UK... with UK premium |
| 00:35.28 | markybob | ia64 try #php for php.ini info |
| 00:35.37 | DirkGently | £335 for 20G 8.9"... that's $670 |
| 00:36.33 | clocksys | price matters now with the econemy issues |
| 00:36.44 | benjamindees | orzo, so if you have a tftp setup that you can use to recover, why haven't you tried flashing the 2.6 kernel in the howto? |
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| 00:37.49 | orzo | that kernel i tried did come from the howto |
| 00:37.54 | orzo | in the downloads page |
| 00:37.57 | benjamindees | orzo, or, I suppose that's it isn't it; I suggest trying the 64k kernel instead then :) |
| 00:38.23 | orzo | what does that number mean |
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| 00:38.41 | orzo | teh file size? |
| 00:38.52 | benjamindees | orzo, *shrug* |
| 00:39.12 | orzo | anyway |
| 00:39.26 | orzo | if i flash that kernel, how will it know that my root is /dev/hda5 |
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| 00:39.43 | orzo | i know longer have a debian base on a usb disk |
| 00:39.46 | orzo | no longer |
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| 00:42.18 | rocketmaster | wow |
| 00:43.19 | benjamindees | orzo, I suppose the root is contained in the firmware image, if not in the kernel itself; so you would need to hack the one provided or build your own |
| 00:43.35 | benjamindees | orzo, the root device rather |
| 00:43.36 | rocketmaster | i give up here. good night. |
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| 00:45.18 | orzo | root is ordinarily set in the kernel unless overridden by a bootloader |
| 00:45.19 | orzo | right |
| 00:45.52 | orzo | i recently configured a kernel build |
| 00:46.03 | orzo | and there was no place that i recall to set root |
| 00:47.30 | orzo | http://wl500g.info/showthread.php?p=16874#post16874 |
| 00:47.46 | jerbear | i'm trying to investigate a bug in nautilus... i've added a printf to a file in libnautilus-private and recompiled it. i should see this printed to my terminal if it hits it, right? |
| 00:47.52 | orzo | that was in 2005. I wish i could talk to taht guy |
| 00:48.02 | orzo | he apparently started from oleg's firmware and installed debian |
| 00:48.06 | orzo | on this exact device |
| 00:48.27 | dondelelcaro | orzo: rdev sets it |
| 00:48.38 | orzo | still? |
| 00:48.52 | catsup | orzo! |
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| 00:48.56 | orzo | catsup |
| 00:48.57 | orzo | heh |
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| 00:49.03 | orzo | howdy |
| 00:49.24 | catsup | orzo knew to use rdev |
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| 00:49.41 | catsup | his problem isn't lack of knowledge, it's lack of self-confidenc |
| 00:49.51 | orzo | blah |
| 00:50.16 | catsup | you'd think he'd have just written the kernel to flash by now |
| 00:50.24 | catsup | instead he has to verify it with five people |
| 00:50.30 | orzo | go away man |
| 00:50.30 | benjamindees | orzo, oh okay it looks like the .trx file contains the kernel and an initrd file in jffs2 format; this is what mounts the root device |
| 00:50.50 | orzo | oh |
| 00:50.50 | catsup | the .trx contains a bootloader called pmon |
| 00:51.26 | catsup | orzo: did you read that link i sent you yesterday? |
| 00:51.26 | orzo | so i mount the jffs2 image and find where the root device is set and edit it? |
| 00:51.38 | orzo | go away, catsup |
| 00:51.41 | catsup | pft |
| 00:51.55 | orzo | you dont have patience for me |
| 00:52.02 | orzo | so dont botehr |
| 00:52.48 | catsup | http://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=6938 |
| 00:53.07 | benjamindees | yeah but I'm not sure what tool you use to extract the trx |
| 00:53.46 | catsup | struct trx_header { uint32_t magic; /* "HDR0" */ ... |
| 00:53.49 | catsup | see the link! |
| 00:53.50 | trifler | Is it possible to use a desktopless computor to show movies with? |
| 00:54.03 | orzo | hm |
| 00:54.15 | catsup | TRX files can be created with the TRX or ASUSTRX tools you'll find in any firmare |
| 00:54.16 | orzo | do debian kernels know how to mount jffs2 by default? |
| 00:54.18 | catsup | source for this platform. |
| 00:54.30 | catsup | http://www.bitsum.com/firmware_mod_kit.htm |
| 00:54.32 | benjamindees | trifler, mplayer has framebuffer and ascii output that can be used on a console |
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| 00:54.51 | orzo | firmware_mod_kit crashed apparently |
| 00:54.58 | orzo | well, it got part way through |
| 00:54.59 | catsup | orzo: if it's compiled into the kernel, it can mount it |
| 00:55.06 | MisterSnoopeH | debian doesnt by chance have install media that automatically uses dhcp and starts sshd when booted, does it? |
| 00:55.10 | MisterSnoopeH | ie a livecd or similar that does that |
| 00:55.16 | catsup | orzo: you don't want a jffs2 root though, you want a root on the hd |
| 00:55.19 | orzo | yes, well i need to mount it on my desktop here |
| 00:55.21 | MisterSnoopeH | i have a 1U rackmount box, but no way of seeing anything visual currently |
| 00:55.37 | trifler | benjamindees: Hmm but that dosen't mean "real" video output to a tv. |
| 00:55.46 | MisterSnoopeH | and if theres a distro that uses dhcp automatically AND starts sshd, i can look at my dhcpd clients table to get the ip and ssh in with default info |
| 00:55.58 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: there's no official debian livecd |
| 00:56.03 | MisterSnoopeH | right |
| 00:56.08 | MisterSnoopeH | what about other media? |
| 00:56.19 | MisterSnoopeH | is there ANYTHING that does that? |
| 00:56.24 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: yes |
| 00:56.25 | poseidon | I'm getting this error when trying to install something -> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 00:56.27 | cafuego | trifler: what do you mean by 'desktopless' ? |
| 00:56.35 | benjamindees | trifler, it does it you have appropriate hardware |
| 00:56.37 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: you can certainly make a debian livecd that has sshd |
| 00:56.42 | trifler | cafuego: Not gnome |
| 00:56.45 | MisterSnoopeH | catsup: can you please elaborate? |
| 00:56.56 | cafuego | trifler: So KDE for instance? Of course. |
| 00:57.02 | MisterSnoopeH | all i can basically do is put a disc in and wait |
| 00:57.13 | orzo | the file command recognizes the extracted file "segment3" using the firmware_mod_kit as "Linux jffs2 filesystem data little endian" |
| 00:57.17 | trifler | cafuego: no windowmanager (gnome, kde, blackbox etc) |
| 00:57.21 | cafuego | trifler: Or did you mean "not X". |
| 00:57.28 | cafuego | trifler: Yes, but. |
| 00:57.29 | orzo | but I cannot mount it loop back even though the kernel has a jffs2.ko module loaded |
| 00:57.37 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: all you need to do (actually it's a lot of work) is use this and include sshd and your account: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:57.49 | MisterSnoopeH | k |
| 00:57.55 | cafuego | trifler: Then you're looking at using the 'aa' video driver in mplayer and really, that get annoying after about 10 seconds. |
| 00:58.14 | cafuego | trifler: That basically renders the movie as animated ascii art. |
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| 00:58.24 | benjamindees | cafuego, kernel framebuffer devices work just fine... |
| 00:58.29 | MisterSnoopeH | catsup: so i should be able to do this with no physical interaction with the server? ie no vid, kb etc |
| 00:58.36 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: yep |
| 00:58.38 | MisterSnoopeH | awesome |
| 00:58.39 | MisterSnoopeH | thanks :) |
| 00:58.48 | cafuego | benjamindees: svga on a framebuffer? |
| 00:58.54 | MisterSnoopeH | and i can test it in a vm too |
| 00:58.56 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: haha, you're in for a lot of work, you might want to look for someone else who's done it for you |
| 00:59.01 | MisterSnoopeH | just to see how long etc |
| 00:59.04 | MisterSnoopeH | oh no lol |
| 00:59.05 | benjamindees | cafuego, of course |
| 00:59.07 | MisterSnoopeH | i dont have to install that way |
| 00:59.11 | MisterSnoopeH | i just got this server today |
| 00:59.14 | trifler | cafuego: I want to use my old computor for streaming backuped tv-series. |
| 00:59.16 | MisterSnoopeH | so i dont have much setup etc |
| 00:59.19 | MisterSnoopeH | i just want to b0rk around with it |
| 00:59.26 | cafuego | benjamindees: Aaah ok, I wdidn't know mplayer did that. Makes sense, of course. |
| 00:59.34 | MisterSnoopeH | and considering i had to do it that way, ive done manual text based installs before (like gentoo) :P |
| 00:59.40 | MisterSnoopeH | (if i were to be installing) |
| 00:59.42 | cafuego | trifler: streaming or watching? |
| 00:59.57 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: there are other ways to install debian headless, in fact there might be a debian-installer module that lets you ssh in (there certainly should be) |
| 01:00.05 | cafuego | Coz for streaming really all you need is a network interface |
| 01:00.06 | MisterSnoopeH | yeah |
| 01:00.08 | trifler | cafuego: Watching. the compt itself will be connected to my tv |
| 01:00.09 | catsup | (but i don't think there is, please write one...) |
| 01:00.11 | trifler | via vga* |
| 01:00.11 | MisterSnoopeH | really, im just looking to mess around |
| 01:00.14 | MisterSnoopeH | i still need to get a new hd |
| 01:00.22 | MisterSnoopeH | but im eager to at least get something booted |
| 01:00.33 | MisterSnoopeH | (scsi = $$$) lol |
| 01:00.54 | MisterSnoopeH | that should hopefully be here soon, anyway, thanks alot ;p |
| 01:01.08 | cafuego | trifler: what sort of cpu/speed does it have? |
| 01:01.18 | trifler | p4, 1.7 |
| 01:01.21 | trifler | ghz* |
| 01:01.23 | orzo | now this is the noisy #debian i remember |
| 01:01.34 | cafuego | that will have no problems |
| 01:01.50 | cafuego | used to run mythtv on a box slower than that |
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| 01:02.14 | benjamindees | catsup, there is one already; but it sounds like he wants one that works out of the box |
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| 01:03.59 | catsup | benjamindees: it doesn't run let you run the installer from the remote shell though does it? |
| 01:04.35 | benjamindees | catsup, that's what it claims to do; but you have to get it running first :) |
| 01:04.42 | catsup | oh |
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| 01:05.31 | benjamindees | !tell h2oman about root |
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| 01:05.58 | endra | Hello |
| 01:06.12 | endra | I want to run a Savage: The Battle for Newerth server on debian, anyone have a tutorial? |
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| 01:06.13 | gbp | hi guys, trying to find the command for finding out currently installed version of a package - can't seem to find it in dpkg or apt-get man page :| |
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| 01:06.29 | catsup | gbp: dpkg -l |
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| 01:06.49 | nekostar | being offline for a bit likely |
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| 01:07.51 | halassocracy | what is a debian? |
| 01:08.06 | markybob | halassocracy go find out. http://debian.org |
| 01:08.09 | endra | debra + ian marriage? |
| 01:08.10 | cafuego | a made up word |
| 01:08.16 | orzo | gbp, you might like apt-cache policy package-name |
| 01:08.27 | gbp | ty |
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| 01:08.33 | orzo | it'll show you what's installed and what will be installed if you apt-get install |
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| 01:09.09 | orzo | and from where |
| 01:09.31 | gbp | using upgrade atm and it's telling me that it wants to install linux-image and linux-doc |
| 01:09.44 | gbp | trying to find out what is installed so that i can add something in /etc/apt/preferences to stop it |
| 01:10.04 | benjamindees | orzo, did you figure out how to mount a jffs2 image loopback? |
| 01:10.13 | orzo | no, benjamindees |
| 01:10.17 | orzo | it wont mount |
| 01:10.19 | catsup | gbp: if you use make-kpkg in the recommended way you won't run into that problem |
| 01:10.22 | orzo | maybe its a bad iamge |
| 01:10.24 | orzo | image |
| 01:10.40 | benjamindees | orzo, http://wep-linux.berlios.de/mtddevices.html |
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| 01:10.53 | JyZyXEL | anyone running stable? |
| 01:11.06 | dondelelcaro | JyZyXEL: lots of people are |
| 01:11.09 | JyZyXEL | check what version of shorewall it has |
| 01:11.18 | JyZyXEL | the package |
| 01:11.19 | catsup | JyZyXEL: you can do that at packages.debian.org |
| 01:11.20 | gbp | catsup: true.. i will do that |
| 01:11.26 | poseidon | When ever I try to isntall something I get this thing http://pastebin.com/m52d8273d |
| 01:11.29 | benjamindees | !info shorewall |
| 01:11.40 | JyZyXEL | !info shorewall |
| 01:12.00 | dpkg | shorewall: (Shoreline Firewall, netfilter configurator - transitional package), section net, is optional. Version: 4.0.10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
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| 01:12.14 | cafuego | !info shorewall stable |
| 01:12.35 | dpkg | shorewall: (Shoreline Firewall (Shorewall), a high-level tool for configuring Netfilter), section net, is optional. Version: 3.2.6-2 (etch), Packaged size: 244 kB, Installed size: 1212 kB |
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| 01:13.13 | poseidon | What should I do? It doesn't seem to be doing anything, |
| 01:13.34 | orzo | thanks, benjamindees, but i think that must have chnaged for a 2.6 kernel |
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| 01:14.22 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | What happened to all the manual pages on the C library!? |
| 01:14.37 | orzo | benjamindees: ok, thanks, i did get it mounted that way |
| 01:14.39 | cafuego | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: They happily sit in manpages-dev |
| 01:14.51 | catsup | orzo: have you simply used rdev to set the kernel to boot from hda whatever, and put the kernel on the mtdblock, and rebooted? |
| 01:15.03 | catsup | s/boot/use root |
| 01:15.11 | orzo | benjamindees: now how do i find where it set's root? |
| 01:15.16 | orzo | rdev failed |
| 01:15.25 | orzo | it says it is not a kernel image |
| 01:15.25 | catsup | failed? how? |
| 01:15.30 | catsup | what did you run it on? |
| 01:15.45 | orzo | on segment2 extracted from openwrt firmware |
| 01:15.48 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | hmm for some reason they were uninstalled |
| 01:16.07 | catsup | but file said that wasn't a kernel |
| 01:16.20 | orzo | the kernel is in it somwhere |
| 01:16.22 | benjamindees | I don't think rdev works anymore in 2.6 |
| 01:16.23 | orzo | how do you suggest i find it |
| 01:16.32 | orzo | i think benjamindees is right about rdev |
| 01:16.52 | orzo | there is a knl program that might work though |
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| 01:17.22 | benjamindees | orzo, start with inittab perhaps? |
| 01:17.28 | catsup | i don't think so-- |
| 01:17.33 | catsup | but rdev only works for x86 |
| 01:17.44 | catsup | according to man rdev |
| 01:19.03 | orzo | i dont know |
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| 01:19.27 | karsten_ | hi. does anyone know what makes a package a 'virtual'? looking into the dpm and its very unclear. |
| 01:19.48 | orzo | benjamindees: this jffs2 image might very well *be* root for the openwrt |
| 01:19.55 | catsup | karsten_: it doesn't contain files, just depends on other packages |
| 01:19.58 | orzo | so it doesn't mount root |
| 01:20.01 | karsten_ | the error I get is: pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: blablba-dev (>= 3.2.1-1) which is a virtual pac |
| 01:20.14 | karsten_ | catsup: yeah, thats what I am thinking |
| 01:20.22 | benjamindees | orzo, it probably is; so yeah good point |
| 01:20.41 | karsten_ | catsup: but pbuilder is complaining that the package I made (which is the dependency on my other pacakge) is a virtual |
| 01:20.56 | karsten_ | oh fuck |
| 01:21.08 | benjamindees | orzo, so make it mount your root instead ;) |
| 01:21.20 | karsten_ | missed updating pbuilder |
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| 01:21.42 | orzo | benjamindees: exactly. Cool. Problem solved. Now, how do i make it mount my root instead? :P |
| 01:23.01 | syscrash | i was (am) trying to install debian on my laptop using the lenny beta1 installer... it was working well, but during package installation (not sure which package), the screen became corrupted (very weird, since i don't think it's using a framebuffered console...) any ideas? |
| 01:23.24 | orzo | well i'm going out |
| 01:23.26 | catsup | orzo: did you try 'colo' ? |
| 01:23.31 | orzo | colo? |
| 01:23.32 | orzo | no |
| 01:23.33 | orzo | what's that |
| 01:23.48 | catsup | orzo: mipsel bootloader in debian |
| 01:24.01 | orzo | it's not in my ubuntu cache |
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| 01:24.27 | catsup | http://packages.debian.org/colo |
| 01:24.31 | benjamindees | orzo, copy the appropriate stuff from a debian initrd :p |
| 01:24.59 | MisterSnoopeH | damnit! |
| 01:25.01 | MisterSnoopeH | catsup |
| 01:25.05 | MisterSnoopeH | it worked flawlessly in the vm |
| 01:25.08 | MisterSnoopeH | but you have to HIT ENTER lmao |
| 01:25.15 | MisterSnoopeH | and, ive no way of doing that |
| 01:25.18 | MisterSnoopeH | no usb keyboard on hand, any ideas? |
| 01:25.20 | catsup | syslinux wants you to hit enter? |
| 01:25.22 | benjamindees | orzo, anyways I need to go so good luck |
| 01:25.24 | MisterSnoopeH | the boot prompt |
| 01:25.31 | MisterSnoopeH | to boot the default kernel |
| 01:25.31 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: reconfigure syslinux |
| 01:25.34 | MisterSnoopeH | or pass off options etc |
| 01:25.36 | MisterSnoopeH | hmmm |
| 01:25.36 | orzo | catsup |
| 01:25.36 | catsup | ya, i gotcha |
| 01:25.38 | MisterSnoopeH | i thought about that |
| 01:25.42 | orzo | thanks, benjamindees |
| 01:25.42 | MisterSnoopeH | if there was a way to edit it |
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| 01:25.52 | orzo | catsup, thanks for the tip on colo, i'll look at it when i get back from dinner |
| 01:25.58 | catsup | orzo: pft |
| 01:26.02 | catsup | orzo: that's what i told you last night |
| 01:26.10 | MisterSnoopeH | catsup: have a recommendation where to start? |
| 01:26.52 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: package 'syslinux' docs |
| 01:27.01 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: did you build a debian-live image just now? that fast? |
| 01:27.08 | MisterSnoopeH | yup |
| 01:27.09 | MisterSnoopeH | er no |
| 01:27.10 | MisterSnoopeH | lol |
| 01:27.14 | MisterSnoopeH | i didnt build it |
| 01:27.15 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: the syslinux config is in the cd image under /isolinux |
| 01:27.21 | MisterSnoopeH | used one a weekly build image |
| 01:27.23 | MisterSnoopeH | k |
| 01:27.26 | MisterSnoopeH | but nah its fine i can build it |
| 01:27.33 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: you can edit it without fucking around with the squashfs image |
| 01:27.35 | simonrvn | oh damn... perl 5.10 in sid now... BE CAREFUL PEOPLE |
| 01:27.37 | MisterSnoopeH | awesome |
| 01:28.24 | catsup | MisterSnoopeH: you just need to set the 'TIMEOUT timeout |
| 01:28.33 | MisterSnoopeH | yup :) |
| 01:28.37 | MisterSnoopeH | i figured somethnig like that |
| 01:28.38 | catsup | erm, the TIMEOUT option. see /usr/share/doc/syslinux/syslinux.doc.gz |
| 01:28.43 | MisterSnoopeH | k thanks alot |
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| 01:37.12 | MisterSnoopeH | hmmm |
| 01:37.17 | MisterSnoopeH | cateye: |
| 01:37.17 | MisterSnoopeH | ./parseconfig.inc:428:KbdTimeout dd 0 ; Keyboard timeout (if any) |
| 01:37.21 | MisterSnoopeH | might that be it? |
| 01:37.31 | MisterSnoopeH | ~/tmp/source/debian/s/syslinux/syslinux-3.63+dfsg |
| 01:38.23 | karsten_ | hm |
| 01:38.36 | MisterSnoopeH | oh! |
| 01:38.41 | MisterSnoopeH | found a online doc :D |
| 01:38.49 | karsten_ | still not working. pbuilder thinks that my package is a virtual |
| 01:38.53 | MisterSnoopeH | this is fun really, not an ideal way to do anything whatsoever, but worknig around it all is very fun. |
| 01:39.19 | karsten_ | this is very strange. I never intended to make one :) |
| 01:40.25 | karsten_ | investigates |
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| 01:44.53 | kaitiff | could someone hlep me get my pcmcia working on an old Gateway Solo 2100... I'm booting to DSL, and it works fine, but I can't get it to recognize any pcmcia cards... I have a floppy install of Debian on hda1, but I can't get X running that way. :) |
| 01:45.16 | kaitiff | lsmod shows pcmcia-core, but 0 after it |
| 01:46.17 | kaitiff | the pcmcia works fine if I boot to the Debian installed on the hard drive, so I know it's not hardware. |
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| 01:47.44 | catsup | kaitiff: you installed from floppies?? |
| 01:47.49 | Miesco | Okay I have a symbolic link of my music dir into /root/shawn-extra, my login has full permission for shawn-extra dir, how come you cant get to it with FTP? |
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| 01:48.10 | kaitiff | catsup: well, I have etch installed to the hard drive |
| 01:48.19 | catsup | oh, you booted from floopy |
| 01:49.00 | kaitiff | catsup: well, I couldn't get X to work after the floppy install, so I tried DSL from cd, and it boots and runs X and all, but I can't get it to recognize pcmcia cards |
| 01:49.18 | catsup | kaitiff: what if you run cardctl insert ? |
| 01:49.26 | cafuego | kaitiff: missing pcmcia-cs or hotplug or whatever deamon it needs these days? |
| 01:49.30 | kaitiff | let me try that |
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| 01:50.09 | kaitiff | cardctl insert tells me no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices |
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| 01:50.44 | catsup | modprobe pcmcia |
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| 01:51.09 | kaitiff | catsup: it says can't locate pcmcia |
| 01:51.17 | catsup | um |
| 01:51.21 | kaitiff | I figured it wasn't loading the correct pcmcia driver |
| 01:51.52 | catsup | i guess it should load pcmcia even if it doesn't have support for your pcmcia controller |
| 01:51.59 | kaitiff | what's odd is pcmcia works fine from hard drive installation of Debian... I tried to insmod the pcmcia_core, but no go |
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| 01:52.02 | catsup | can't locate pcmcia is a strange error |
| 01:52.09 | catsup | find /lib/modules -name pcmcia.ko ? |
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| 01:52.59 | kaitiff | catsup: nothing comes up |
| 01:53.06 | catsup | kaitiff: well, thee's your problem... |
| 01:53.17 | catsup | reinstall linux-image |
| 01:53.57 | cafuego | catsup: *if* it's compiled as module |
| 01:54.12 | catsup | erm, debian's linux-image contains pcmcia.ko |
| 01:54.34 | cafuego | I wouldn';t think that would fit on a DSL floppy tho |
| 01:54.39 | kaitiff | well... what I was hoping to do was do an install of DSL to the hard drive if everything worked... |
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| 01:54.50 | kaitiff | I can boot the machine from cdrom |
| 01:54.54 | catsup | heh, i don't even know what DSL is |
| 01:55.01 | cafuego | catsup: damn small linux |
| 01:55.10 | catsup | oh |
| 01:55.16 | cafuego | catsup: that would have a pretty stripped down kernel |
| 01:55.26 | kaitiff | oh sorry, I thought you knew what that was.. my bad |
| 01:55.28 | cafuego | would be sprprised if it contained pmcicia |
| 01:55.33 | cafuego | pcmcia |
| 01:55.33 | catsup | well, ok, the dsl kernel doesn't have pcmcia, that's all |
| 01:55.40 | catsup | use the debian kernel |
| 01:55.43 | kaitiff | it does, because if I boot it on other laptops, it works fine |
| 01:55.51 | catsup | it's teh rocks |
| 01:55.54 | kaitiff | wasn't there different versions of the pcmcia-core or some such? |
| 01:56.20 | kaitiff | this is a very old laptop, P133 , 2 gig hdd, 40 meg ram |
| 01:56.31 | kaitiff | DSL runs fairly well on it, but w/out pcmcia support.... |
| 01:56.39 | catsup | i duno, sometimes you can get pcmcia support through bios |
| 01:56.59 | catsup | kaitiff: so you've got a debian chroot or somethin? |
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| 01:57.12 | kaitiff | could I load the pcmcia.ko file from my hard drive install? I found it using the command you gave me earlier... |
| 01:57.16 | catsup | kaitiff: just install the kernel-image and bootloader from that, and boot from disk |
| 01:57.25 | catsup | kaitiff: no, because it won't match the running kernel |
| 01:57.31 | kaitiff | durn |
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| 01:57.42 | catsup | kaitiff: you could do the two kernel monte, heh |
| 01:58.05 | kaitiff | well, maybe I can attack this from the other direction.. the floppy install of Debian Etch works, but I can't get X running... |
| 01:58.20 | catsup | if what i recommended is possible, do that--it's your best option |
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| 01:58.28 | catsup | kaitiff: just copy the x config that works |
| 01:58.29 | kaitiff | I figured the DSL install would make it easier than figuring out the X problem |
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| 01:59.00 | kaitiff | heh, I tried to figure that out too... I can't seem to figure out where the X config is for DSL to copy to the Deiban install. :) |
| 01:59.05 | kaitiff | I'm full of silly problems.. |
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| 01:59.20 | catsup | kaitiff: /etc/X11/X86Config or X86Config-4 or Xorg.conf |
| 01:59.29 | Shai | Anyone here familiar with lirc? I'm wondering if it's possible for lirc to do a key combination of fn-f3 which is the laptop's function key + F3?? |
| 01:59.51 | catsup | kaitiff: just save the whole X11 dir, and figure it out later |
| 02:00.12 | kaitiff | so regardless the X11 dir wil have the config in it? |
| 02:00.17 | catsup | Shai: probably not |
| 02:00.38 | kaitiff | will the config for xorg.conf be compatible with the X86Config one? |
| 02:00.52 | catsup | Shai: a laptop handles that fn key differently from a normal key, probably you can't generate it from software |
| 02:01.38 | Shai | catsup - I figured as much but, where theres a will there may just be a way. There are FN key drivers for some laptops so I assume it's at least worth investigating. |
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| 02:02.04 | Shai | catsup - do you know of a way to view key presses? |
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| 02:02.22 | catsup | Shai: xev, but that wouldn't show Fn... |
| 02:02.23 | karsten_ | Shai: couldn't you use ACPI? |
| 02:02.56 | catsup | if the laptop provides a way to generate the fn from software, then there you go... |
| 02:03.06 | catsup | if not, then not |
| 02:03.09 | Shai | karsten_ - I don't know.....you mean like create a script to do it? If it could be scripted that would work cuz I could use irexec to run it. |
| 02:03.32 | catsup | kaitiff: xorg is the x server you'd probably want to use from debian-- |
| 02:03.59 | MisterSnoopeH | can anyone open live.debian.net? |
| 02:04.02 | MisterSnoopeH | it just like shit out o_o |
| 02:04.15 | catsup | kaitiff: it should be able to handle a config file from an older x--but if not, it would be some trivial change |
| 02:04.21 | MisterSnoopeH | hmm nvm |
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| 02:04.28 | MisterSnoopeH | works fine |
| 02:04.30 | alibcaca | I have run the command sleep 1000; halt ,but now I dont want my system to shutdown. How do I stop it? |
| 02:04.39 | catsup | alibcaca: kill the shell |
| 02:04.40 | karsten_ | Shai: exactly. Fn key can be accessed through acpi event someone just told me today |
| 02:04.42 | kaitiff | catsup: I just tried to find the config on the DSL install, and there is none of the above you mentioned... |
| 02:04.54 | kaitiff | I had tried to look under X11 before to figure out the config.. with no success. |
| 02:04.55 | sputnick | see ya guys |
| 02:05.12 | catsup | kaitiff: get the command line used to launch X |
| 02:05.42 | Shai | catsup you're right xev does not display fn |
| 02:07.24 | Shai | karsten_ - would you mind elaborating a bit about acpi and fn keys? |
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| 02:08.59 | karsten_ | Shai: can't. I have only been told by my friend, and he's left. sorry :( |
| 02:09.42 | Shai | karsten_ - not a problem, thanks. |
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| 02:09.51 | catsup | acpi is a standard interface to bios stuff, particularly power management |
| 02:09.54 | catsup | but not just that |
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| 02:10.19 | catsup | acpi allows the system to generate events that can be captured by software-- |
| 02:10.39 | catsup | it is extremely unlikely, i'd say, but possible, that the system would generate an acpi event for Fn |
| 02:11.00 | catsup | (the system generates acpi events for stuff like pressin the power button, the volume button, etc.) |
| 02:11.18 | karsten_ | catsup: its the way thinkpad_acpi works though, no? |
| 02:11.31 | karsten_ | for examples.. |
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| 02:13.14 | catsup | it's unfortunate but that Fn key is almost certainly a total loss; i keep holding out the possibility, but it's unrealistic; it's hidden deep within the proprietary part of system |
| 02:13.48 | kaitiff | ok... different approach (can't find the daggum config for DSL X11 ) if I run startx on my Debian Etch, I get error Vesa(0) no matching mode, then Screen found, but none have a usable config |
| 02:13.56 | catsup | the only thing to do is to rant bitterly about hardware manufacturers |
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| 02:14.14 | catsup | kaitiff: what's the DSL X11's command line? |
| 02:14.38 | kaitiff | catsup: ummm, I'm not sure what you're asking |
| 02:14.54 | lastnode | how would i remap my arrow keys ti ijkl. of course, id want a M- modifier, else i wouldnt be able to type. |
| 02:14.58 | catsup | kaitiff: ps auxwwww|less find Xorg or XFree86 or whatever, and paste that line |
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| 02:15.17 | lastnode | ive tried xkeycaps but cant find a way to bind modifiers |
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| 02:15.35 | catsup | lastnode: xmodmap |
| 02:16.05 | lastnode | catsup: xkeycaps is a gui frontend, but it doesnt have it |
| 02:16.36 | catsup | it's certainly possible, but i can't tell you off-hand |
| 02:16.45 | lastnode | cool, thanks |
| 02:16.47 | catsup | either read the man page or search for examples |
| 02:16.47 | lastnode | asks man |
| 02:17.19 | kaitiff | catsup: sorry, now I understand what you were asking.. /bin/sh /usr/X11R6/bin/startx |
| 02:17.33 | catsup | kaitiff: that's not the actual server tho, that's a scrit that launches it |
| 02:17.51 | catsup | kaitiff: it should be under user root and the executable start with capital X |
| 02:18.02 | catsup | (or be just 'X') |
| 02:18.03 | kaitiff | then a line for /usr/bin/X11/Xvesa |
| 02:18.30 | catsup | with no arguments? |
| 02:18.56 | kaitiff | umm, there are some hang on, I gotta run back and forth heh |
| 02:19.23 | kaitiff | the arguements are -mouse /dev/psaux -screen 1024X768 |
| 02:19.40 | `mac` | besite fail2ban what else can i use to secure the system.. that is if you do have time . |
| 02:19.51 | `mac` | thank you |
| 02:20.07 | catsup | http://www.xfree86.org/current/Xvesa.1.html |
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| 02:21.05 | kaitiff | hmm |
| 02:21.12 | catsup | Xvesa is apparently a rather unusual X server. anyway i wouldn't be surprised if you just have to set the resolution to 1024x768 for debian's X server (which is apparently already using VESA video) |
| 02:21.46 | kaitiff | ah, and thats in the xorg.conf file in the X11 dir? |
| 02:21.58 | catsup | anyway iirc debian still contains xf86, so you could install that, and run Xvesa with exactly the same arguments, and that should work |
| 02:21.59 | catsup | ya |
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| 02:22.57 | kaitiff | so I would need to run apt-get install xf86? |
| 02:23.08 | nevyn | catsup: which distribution? |
| 02:23.18 | nevyn | kaitiff: what distribution are you using and what card? |
| 02:23.43 | kaitiff | Debian Etch.. not sure about the card... |
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| 02:23.55 | nevyn | kaitiff: post lspci to a pastebin somewhere. |
| 02:24.38 | nevyn | etch has xserver-xorg 1:7.1.0-19: all |
| 02:24.39 | kaitiff | Cirrus Logic GD 7548 |
| 02:24.43 | nevyn | OUCH! |
| 02:24.49 | catsup | he said it's a very old machine |
| 02:24.50 | kaitiff | heh |
| 02:24.52 | kaitiff | very old |
| 02:25.20 | nevyn | kaitiff: it's pci tho right. |
| 02:25.43 | kaitiff | it would appear, or lspci wouldn't list it, right? |
| 02:26.17 | nevyn | kaitiff: ok.. there were these CRAZY VLB cards that implemented a PCI bridge onboard and then had a pci card on VLB |
| 02:26.22 | nevyn | terrifying |
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| 02:26.38 | kaitiff | yah, I have one of those too, my computer room is part museum |
| 02:26.47 | kaitiff | grin |
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| 02:27.14 | nevyn | kaitiff: it's ok I've made the phone call the nice people in the nice white van will be there shortly. |
| 02:27.14 | mimcpher | kaitiff, I think I actually might have one of those Cirrus Logic cards |
| 02:27.22 | mimcpher | or if not one very similar |
| 02:27.57 | kaitiff | I keep some old ISA cards around just in case of bad bios flashes... but this is in a laptop |
| 02:28.10 | kaitiff | I think it has a whole meg of memory |
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| 02:28.41 | kaitiff | anways... I remember back aways there used to be a XConfigurator... doesn't Xorg have somethign simlar? |
| 02:28.53 | kaitiff | can't find anything in my apt-cache.... |
| 02:28.56 | nevyn | kaitiff: ok.. so. |
| 02:29.15 | nevyn | it's supported using the cirrus driver from what I can see |
| 02:29.32 | nevyn | kaitiff: so apt-get install xserver-xorg and select cirrus and see how you go. |
| 02:29.56 | kaitiff | I think I already have xserver-xorg.... |
| 02:29.59 | kaitiff | lemme try it. |
| 02:30.18 | nevyn | ok dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and select cirrus from the list |
| 02:31.08 | kaitiff | that is where things went wonky somehow, when I pulled down the package, it never ran through a setup script or anything.. |
| 02:31.16 | kaitiff | I forgot about dpkg-reconfigure |
| 02:32.42 | nevyn | you probably have priority set to high which will skip "normal" level questions |
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| 02:36.36 | `mac` | like to install unrar |
| 02:36.40 | `mac` | apt-get doesnt support |
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| 02:37.15 | kaitiff | I think this is going to work...got it except for possibly the screen res, thanks |
| 02:37.23 | mimcpher | `mac`, unrar is in apt. |
| 02:37.25 | catsup | `mac`: it's in non-free |
| 02:37.40 | kaitiff | catsup: thank you for your help |
| 02:37.41 | mimcpher | Does anybody know what the difference between unrar and unrar-free is? |
| 02:37.55 | mimcpher | IE, what does unrar-free not have? |
| 02:38.05 | kaitiff | nevyn: you weer spot on with the dpkg-reconfig, I appreciate it |
| 02:38.08 | catsup | unrar-free doesn't support split archives (.rar, .r00, .r01, ...) |
| 02:38.17 | catsup | anyway someone told me that |
| 02:38.30 | mimcpher | According to description, it can't handle some packages in RAR 3.0 format. |
| 02:39.16 | catsup | kaitiff: np |
| 02:41.01 | extor | if I do a "tar -cvvf backup.tar /" on a remote box and then download it to a local box and do a restore..after I fix grub...is it likely to work? |
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| 02:42.03 | ffm | Is there a guide for packaging non./ |
| 02:42.15 | ffm | Is there a guide for packaging non-binary content, such as books, as debian packages? |
| 02:42.16 | properzel | maybe but you would include /proc and stuff .. what you really should copy over? |
| 02:42.37 | extor | well the new box has nothing on it..zero..zilch |
| 02:42.42 | cafuego | extor: Provided no services are running on the remote box, prolly. A better way iof to grab config files, data and package lists only though. |
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| 02:43.18 | extor | package lists being /usr/cache/apt or some place where .deb files reside? |
| 02:43.18 | kaitiff | nevyn: if I were installing X from scratch, what packages would I need? Xserver-xorg....and? |
| 02:43.40 | cafuego | x-window-system will do |
| 02:43.55 | extor | ok I guess I need to copy /boot /usr /var(perhaps) /etc(of course) and /bin /sbin and /* should be enough right? |
| 02:44.06 | extor | this is a non X system |
| 02:44.36 | cafuego | extor: No, just run 'dpkg --get-selections > pkg.txt' and copy pkg.txt |
| 02:45.03 | cafuego | then on the local box run 'dpkg --set-selection < pkg.txt' |
| 02:45.28 | cafuego | copy /etc, done (or close to) |
| 02:45.48 | cafuego | oh, you'll need |
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| 02:47.38 | cafuego | after running --set-selections, run aptitude install |
| 02:47.49 | cafuego | that will install all pkgs that were installed on the other machine |
| 02:48.04 | cafuego | adding the copy of /etc will pretty much configure 'em similarly |
| 02:48.45 | markybob | there's always http://www.clonezilla.org/ |
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| 02:48.49 | syscrash | how would i install the x.org server with only certain input and video drivers? i don't need xserver-xorg-input-all and xserver-xorg-video-all, but xserver-xorg-core seems to bring them in... |
| 02:49.00 | cornmoon_blue | hello |
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| 02:49.05 | extor | cafuego but I need barebone3s debian already installed I presume |
| 02:49.12 | cafuego | extor: yes |
| 02:49.36 | cornmoon_blue | where could I find libc-2.6 |
| 02:49.40 | cafuego | extor: a minimal install takes less time that tarring an entire system |
| 02:49.52 | cafuego | cornmoon_blue: planning on breaking your system? |
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| 02:50.20 | cornmoon_blue | it's now 2.7 |
| 02:50.28 | cornmoon_blue | I want 2.6 |
| 02:50.34 | cafuego | a simple "yes" would suffice ;-) |
| 02:50.56 | cafuego | cornmoon_blue: You realise it will break ALL applications that were linked against 2.7 right? |
| 02:51.06 | cafuego | WHich is probably all installed applications |
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| 02:51.55 | cornmoon_blue | could not they both exist ? |
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| 02:52.20 | cafuego | Not really, no. |
| 02:52.33 | cafuego | But an app linked against 2.6 should run under 2.7 too. |
| 02:52.55 | cornmoon_blue | cafuego: but I have ever done that |
| 02:53.41 | cornmoon_blue | I put both 2.6 and 2.7 in /lib |
| 02:55.18 | benjamindees | cornmoon_blue, ls -l /lib/libc.so.6 |
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| 02:55.53 | cornmoon_blue | ok thanks |
| 02:56.38 | lastnode | catsup: i did it using .ratpoison.rc mate, thanks |
| 02:56.52 | lastnode | btw, does anyone know of a way to set non XBM images as root bg in X? |
| 02:56.53 | cafuego | cornmoon_blue: Note, changing that symlink might make the system unuseable. |
| 02:57.39 | catsup | lastnode: fbsetbg supports many formats |
| 02:57.43 | cornmoon_blue | cafuego: I understand. thanks1 |
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| 02:58.22 | lastnode | catsup: apt-cache search for the pacakge brings nothing up, know which pacakge it is in? |
| 02:58.34 | lastnode | oh fluxbox? |
| 02:58.37 | catsup | ya |
| 02:58.59 | catsup | btw you can search for files in packages here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 02:58.59 | ffm | Is there a guide for packaging non-binary content, such as books, as debian packages? |
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| 03:00.18 | cornmoon_blue | cafuego: I am installing Intel C++ compiler, it need libc-2.6 |
| 03:00.20 | clocksys | i wonder who supports the e16 package on debian |
| 03:00.50 | lastnode | catsup: i actually set it now using gsetroot, but iw ant it to load every session. i cant put it in my .xinitrc because i dont know the cli syntax. |
| 03:00.51 | cornmoon_blue | what should i do now? |
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| 03:04.07 | catsup | ffm: i don't know but maybe there is something about packaging documentation |
| 03:04.51 | ffm | catsup, Well, I'm packaging a debian package, but when I build it there isn't any content inside of it. |
| 03:05.21 | catsup | sorry i don't know much about that |
| 03:05.32 | benjamindees | ffm, you probably want a rules file that copies the documentation to /usr/share/doc/yourpackagename |
| 03:05.55 | ffm | benjamindees, Yes. |
| 03:07.39 | benjamindees | and that isn't working for you or you need someone to give you one? |
| 03:07.52 | ffm | benjamindees, The latter. |
| 03:08.26 | ffm | benjamindees, lets say I have a folder "foo" in folder bar (bar contains foo and debian folders). How would I modify rules to copy foo to said doc folder? |
| 03:08.53 | benjamindees | #!/bin/bash |
| 03:09.21 | benjamindees | cp -a foo /usr/share/doc/yourpackagename |
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| 03:10.38 | ffm | benjamindees, It's that simple? Wow. |
| 03:10.59 | benjamindees | heh, I'm hoping so |
| 03:11.49 | ffm | benjamindees, Uh, I already have a rules file. Should I put that under the install: section? |
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| 03:12.26 | jdavis | For some reason, after a package upgrade, my numeric keypad isn't working. Any ideas what the problem might be? |
| 03:12.30 | benjamindees | no, it would replace the rules file; the one you have is a makefile; what does it do? |
| 03:13.08 | ffm | benjamindees, Nothing currently, AFAICT |
| 03:13.13 | \amethyst | ffm: you want to install into $(DESTDIR)/usr/share/doc/yourpackagename (or wherever) |
| 03:13.17 | \amethyst | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-modify.en.html |
| 03:14.17 | benjamindees | yeah that too; or there may be a debhelper function to do it for you in a more debianized fashion |
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| 03:14.26 | ffm | \amethyst: uh, that assumes I have a working makefile. |
| 03:14.41 | ffm | \amethyst, tis currently useless. |
| 03:15.34 | ffm | \amethyst, there is currently _no_ way to install this package. I basically just ploped a bunch of XHTML files in with a debian folder and a control file (plus default tempaltes) |
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| 03:17.42 | benjamindees | ffm, try this: cp -a foo/* ${DESTDIR}/usr/share/doc/yourpackagename |
| 03:18.02 | dondelelcaro | jdavis: numlock off? |
| 03:18.15 | lastnode | im non-root, running ratpoison via gdm, if iw anted tos et an xbg, where would it go? ive tried both .xinitrc and .xsession in $HOME |
| 03:18.23 | lastnode | (im using an app called habak) |
| 03:18.25 | jdavis | dondelelcaro: I can toggle numlock, but either way it doesn't print anything |
| 03:18.39 | jdavis | dondelelcaro: it works in a virtual terminal, but not in X |
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| 03:21.34 | ffm | benjamindees, yeah, it tries to copy to /usr/share/doc/foo, it treats ${DESTDIR} as "" |
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| 03:23.24 | \amethyst | jdavis: does pressing shift-numlock fix it? |
| 03:24.08 | benjamindees | ffm, okay nevermind what I told you; debian/rules has to be a makefile |
| 03:24.25 | ffm | benjamindees, Ok. |
| 03:24.37 | micols | how come when i change res in xorg with C-alt-+/- it shows only part of the screen ? |
| 03:24.41 | micols | happens with even a default config with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:25.06 | micols | only the main res (highest one) gets shown fully |
| 03:25.14 | \amethyst | micols: that's how ctrl-alt-+/- work |
| 03:25.24 | micols | \amethyst: didnt use to be like that in xfree |
| 03:25.34 | \amethyst | what happened previously? |
| 03:25.46 | micols | it changed resolution, and all image area was viewable |
| 03:25.57 | micols | now it just shows part of the screen |
| 03:26.08 | \amethyst | micols: it resized your windows to fit on the lower-resolution screen? |
| 03:26.23 | micols | \amethyst: precisely.. |
| 03:26.35 | micols | \amethyst: but my xorg doesn't |
| 03:26.38 | \amethyst | micols: I've never seen ctrl-alt-+/- do that, but you can do that with xrandr or grandr |
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| 03:27.06 | micols | \amethyst: without coding anything in C to use some lib? |
| 03:27.23 | micols | ah xrandr.. |
| 03:28.03 | micols | now that is funny.. xrandr does the same thing |
| 03:28.17 | micols | changed from 1600x1200 to 1280x1024, it shows 3/4 of screen only |
| 03:28.21 | micols | upper left part |
| 03:28.27 | micols | did xrandr -s 1 |
| 03:28.34 | \amethyst | hm |
| 03:28.47 | micols | and happens both on laptop and workstation, both tft screens capable of 1280x1024 |
| 03:28.56 | micols | and happens with 640, 1024 too |
| 03:29.09 | \amethyst | what window manager? |
| 03:29.13 | micols | blackbox |
| 03:29.24 | \amethyst | were you using blackbox when it worked? |
| 03:29.32 | micols | yes |
| 03:29.34 | \amethyst | hm |
| 03:29.38 | micols | around 4 years ago |
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| 03:30.41 | benjamindees | ffm, okay so do you still have a minimal rules file (makefile) ? |
| 03:30.55 | ffm | benjamindees, yeah. |
| 03:31.16 | ffm | benjamindees, I just added a dh_installdocs |
| 03:31.31 | ffm | benjamindees, dh_installdocs xhtml/* |
| 03:31.45 | benjamindees | ffm, that works, under binary-indep |
| 03:32.38 | micols | \amethyst: hm restarting blackbox fixes it ! |
| 03:32.49 | micols | \amethyst: wonder if its a blackbox or xorg bug, should test another wm |
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| 03:33.02 | micols | \amethyst: restarted blackbox while xorg running |
| 03:33.09 | \amethyst | micols: if anything is going to resize windows when the display resizes, it would be the window manager |
| 03:33.22 | maxt3r | my network does not work, it have but u tried to make i static, how do i see about me card is eth0 ore eth1 |
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| 03:33.37 | maxt3r | can i run that setup i ran on my install |
| 03:34.04 | micols | \amethyst: ah right, then i would just call a blackbox restart upon execution of xrandr |
| 03:34.17 | extor | http://www.itworld.com/AppDev/1376/NWW010319tech/ <--- Does lighty support this by chance? Or any plans to support it? |
| 03:34.21 | \amethyst | micols: that would work |
| 03:34.40 | micols | \amethyst: its just weird, then something must have changed, it worked perfectly before, with xfree86 |
| 03:35.13 | maxt3r | can i have some help plz |
| 03:35.20 | ffm | benjamindees, it takes gdebi package viewer ages to load... the progress bar looks like its having a seizure... |
| 03:35.26 | maxt3r | whit my network |
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| 03:35.41 | ffm | maxt3r, Don-t ask to ask. |
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| 03:36.41 | maxt3r | ffm, by that you mean |
| 03:36.53 | ffm | maxt3r, just ask your question |
| 03:37.11 | maxt3r | i have, but okay here is comes agian |
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| 03:37.39 | maxt3r | i have my network running on my server, then i will set i to static, now o dosent work |
| 03:37.58 | JDigital | no debian package for fastcgi :\ |
| 03:38.44 | markybob | JDigital apt-cache search fcgi |
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| 03:38.52 | maxt3r | can i run that setup i ran on my install ? |
| 03:39.03 | JDigital | ah :D |
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| 03:41.49 | benjamindees | that's nice that debianhelp.org reliably crashes konqueror |
| 03:42.54 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 03:42.56 | benjamindees | !interfaces |
| 03:42.56 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 03:43.57 | stephen2 | hi |
| 03:44.44 | jdavis | \amethyst: wow, that fixed it, thanks! |
| 03:45.06 | stephen2 | anybody use openbox |
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| 03:46.29 | jdavis | \amethyst: what does that actually do? |
| 03:46.49 | benjamindees | hmm, what does this mean: apt-get update -> W: GPG error: http://mirror.peer1.net testing Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 03:48.21 | properzel | you havent imported the gpgkey for that mirror? |
| 03:48.32 | properzel | or they havent signed there mirror right |
| 03:48.42 | properzel | s/there/their |
| 03:48.51 | benjamindees | that's odd because it's been there for a while |
| 03:49.27 | ffm | benjamindees, thank you muchly |
| 03:49.36 | \amethyst | jdavis: shift-numlock toggles numlock mouse mode |
| 03:49.38 | ffm | benjamindees, it works now. |
| 03:49.41 | \amethyst | jdavis: err, numpad mouse |
| 03:49.54 | benjamindees | ffm, np, sorry for pointing you in the wrong direction :D |
| 03:51.03 | ffm | benjamindees, heh. see ya! (i'll see if I can get this in debian eventually, unfortunately it depends on ubuntu-only packages for now, will fix later) |
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| 03:58.44 | benjamindees | how are the md5sums in /var/lib/dpkg/info generated? |
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| 03:59.41 | \amethyst | benjamindees: dh_md5sums usually |
| 03:59.48 | fxmf | /motd |
| 04:00.36 | benjamindees | let's say a minute ago I had a debian-archive-keyring.md5sums file in there; then I reinstalled the package and now it's gone. how would that happen? |
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| 04:03.08 | \amethyst | benjamindees: maybe it stopped shipping with an md5sums file |
| 04:04.07 | \amethyst | hm |
| 04:04.14 | benjamindees | it was the same version :-/ |
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| 04:04.18 | \amethyst | maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, I'll shut up |
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| 04:07.25 | benjamindees | hmm, was there a kernel update recently for etch? why am I downloading one... |
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| 04:09.58 | liable | dsa for .18 |
| 04:15.43 | benjamindees | where do you find that? it's not here: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/ |
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| 04:18.55 | maxt3r | i have samba share but i cant write 2 disk, is ist chmod 1700 i shall on my disk |
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| 04:21.37 | JDigital | how do i installed fastcgi |
| 04:23.09 | jbt | anyone familiar with awstat on debian? why is it that the output data file don't have the site as filename? e.g awstats01024.txt only instead of awstats02074.mysite.txt? |
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| 04:24.11 | benjamindees | maxt3r, add uid= and/or fmask= or dmask= options to fstab |
| 04:24.52 | benjamindees | JDigital, didn't someone answer this earlier? apt-cache search fcgi |
| 04:25.15 | JDigital | Ah yes, I found libfcgi but not mod_fastcgi |
| 04:25.25 | JDigital | there's mod_fcgid |
| 04:25.35 | JDigital | but mod_fcgid is spooky and Chinese |
| 04:27.06 | Tramp | benjamindees: of course it is. DSA-1479-1 |
| 04:27.47 | JDigital | will hit up google some more |
| 04:28.12 | benjamindees | Tramp, actually that's an older one; the new one is only on the mailing list so far |
| 04:28.24 | linux_jones | how do i uninstall something i compiled? i thought it was just make uninstall, but i was wrong |
| 04:28.35 | benjamindees | all of the version numbers and etch3's make it confusing as hell |
| 04:29.19 | Tramp | benjamindees: ah, ok. "recently" has probably a different meaning at my age 8) |
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| 04:30.23 | ginobvhc | hi!!!! |
| 04:30.34 | ginobvhc | some one use pdebuild to make a deb?! |
| 04:30.36 | linux_jones | and would anyone know why there are 2 xorgs and 2 gdms in my top? |
| 04:31.05 | linux_jones | one always has a time+ and the other just has all 0's |
| 04:31.17 | benjamindees | linux_jones, did you do the desktop switching thing... |
| 04:31.43 | linux_jones | and if i kill the one with all 0's its fine, if i kill the other x crashes |
| 04:32.14 | linux_jones | benjamindees, what desktop switching thing? |
| 04:32.37 | benjamindees | linux_jones, there isn't a reliable way to uninstall programs compiled from scratch; it's why we use package managers |
| 04:32.59 | benjamindees | linux_jones, 'switch user' in kde, not sure about gnome |
| 04:33.33 | linux_jones | i have that option in gnome, but i have not done it, it does this everytime i start the computer, and every time i kill them |
| 04:33.43 | ginobvhc | some one use pdebuild to make a deb?! |
| 04:35.11 | Tramp | benjamindees: however, when you are downloading a new kernel, it certainly refers to the older one |
| 04:35.39 | linux_jones | benjamindees, some programs dont have packages made for them though, like vdr, thats what im trying to uninstall now, because it dosent work for analog tv, but now it starts up every time i start my computer and i dont want it to |
| 04:36.54 | benjamindees | !info vdr |
| 04:37.02 | linux_jones | and while im on the topic, does anyone know of any decent mpeg editors? thats my next task for the evening |
| 04:37.22 | dpkg | vdr: (Video Disk Recorder for DVB cards), section misc, is extra. Version: 1.4.7-3 (sid), Packaged size: 729 kB, Installed size: 2112 kB |
| 04:37.46 | linux_jones | i still havnt really gotten the hang of apt-cache search thing |
| 04:38.11 | benjamindees | apt-cache search vdr |grep ^vdr |
| 04:39.23 | benjamindees | regardless, look for a link to the startup script in /etc/rc2.d and remove it |
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| 04:40.18 | linux_jones | benjamindees, the start up script would prolly be this runvdr im seeing in top, am i on the right track? |
| 04:41.27 | benjamindees | I assume so, yes; rm /etc/rc2.d/S[0-9][0-9]vdr |
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| 04:42.56 | linux_jones | benjamindees, if you dont mind me asking you this here, and if you do ill look it up, but do the numbers mean anything? and can iremove any other things i dont like on boot, like mplayer and so on? |
| 04:43.43 | linux_jones | lirc, things i can start later if i need them, im in the middle of make a semi-media server out of an old computer and id like it to run as fast as possible |
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| 04:44.13 | benjamindees | removing that symlink should remove everything that vdr starts, which would include mplayer I assume |
| 04:45.01 | benjamindees | but I don't really know how vdr works |
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| 04:45.19 | nader | Sometime i run system this appears and system hangs. "Waiting for root file system" |
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| 04:45.54 | linux_jones | theres another one for mplayer and lirc in there though, it cant hurt to rename it starting with a k like the readme i just found in that file says right? sorry some times i get ahead of myself and ask things before i look |
| 04:45.58 | benjamindees | the regular expression [0-9][0-9] just matches any two consecutive numbers |
| 04:46.42 | benjamindees | the numbers in the symlink indicate the startup order of those scripts in that runlevel |
| 04:47.26 | linux_jones | benjamindees, aahh.. ok thank you for the help |
| 04:47.29 | benjamindees | renaming the file to start with K instead of S will prevent it from running, yes |
| 04:47.44 | ginobvhc | someone use pdebuild to make a deb?! i need help with pdebuil, dont resolv deps |
| 04:50.38 | benjamindees | nader, sometime or, all the time? |
| 04:50.44 | blizzow | anyone know how to setup rbldnsd on sarge? I looked at the man and see /etc/default/rbldnsd, but where do I copy this file to? |
| 04:51.03 | nader | benjamindees: sometime |
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| 04:54.04 | benjamindees | nader, do you have multiple disk controllers? |
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| 04:56.58 | dserban_ | I'm having some issues, and it seems to be lsb related. I can't find what's wrong with my system... Meh.... (/me cries) |
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| 05:05.15 | stopher | Hey guys- I'm getting eth0: Ethernet flag not found device not found on boot...On a computer that was working perfect 15 minutes ago. No changes made. The power cycled and I wanted to make sure the IP was still set...It's not. What can I do to check the ip on eth0/1/2? eth0 says "Local Loopback" when using ifconfig |
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| 05:08.32 | pinto3 | iunno, maybe check out /etc/network/interfaces for a listing, check your dmesg and lspci for any sign of the ethernet device, my lo isn't listed with eth0 |
| 05:09.02 | pinto3 | if it just stopped like with the power going out i'd worry about a fried circuit |
| 05:09.42 | stopher | alright, i'll check pinto. the comp is on a commerical power conditioner and surge system... so i'd hope it's not fried |
| 05:10.52 | stopher | 01:03.0 Ethernet controller: AMDtek Unkonw device 0007 (rev 11) |
| 05:11.25 | pinto3 | well at least it's there :), i'm not knowledgable with this stuff or i'd try and help - gl |
| 05:11.35 | stopher | hmm darn |
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| 05:13.25 | catsup | stopher: ifconfig -a lists eth0 or not? |
| 05:13.40 | stopher | rebooting now, tell you in a sec |
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| 05:14.41 | jim | what were you running that you rebooted? |
| 05:15.05 | catsup | without -a ifconfig only lists devices that are up |
| 05:15.10 | stopher | i just rebooted for it to run scripts again see if it picked up anything |
| 05:15.49 | jim | so ifconfig -a |
| 05:16.12 | catsup | or ifconfig eth0 |
| 05:16.21 | stopher | only shows lo and sit0 |
| 05:16.35 | jim | that's with -a? |
| 05:16.40 | stopher | yeah |
| 05:16.52 | stopher | eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found. |
| 05:16.54 | jim | ok hmm, what's sit |
| 05:17.05 | maxt3r | how du i set chmod 2 my disk so all users have all right ? |
| 05:17.19 | stopher | sit0: Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4 |
| 05:17.23 | jim | info coreutils |
| 05:17.34 | jim | look for file permissions |
| 05:17.36 | jim | read that |
| 05:17.44 | stopher | shuold i try another netowrk card? |
| 05:17.50 | markybob | maxt3r you may have just won the worst sentence of the night award |
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| 05:17.56 | maxt3r | thougt i was 1777 |
| 05:17.58 | stopher | i have a new one in a new unopened box in the other room |
| 05:18.04 | maxt3r | but its wasent |
| 05:18.15 | nirupama | I want to have a service to start exactly after gdm is starting |
| 05:18.27 | nirupama | My gdm in /etc/rc2.d/S30gdm |
| 05:18.53 | nirupama | I kept my new serveice starting script at /etc/rc2.d/S32clonemode |
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| 05:19.06 | jim | is there any /etc/rc2.d/S31*? |
| 05:19.06 | nirupama | will that not start this new service exactly after gdm is starting |
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| 05:19.12 | nirupama | jim, no |
| 05:19.18 | nirupama | jim, i checked that |
| 05:19.30 | jim | if you wanted RIGHT after, why not use 31 |
| 05:19.43 | jim | and also man update-rc,d |
| 05:20.00 | markybob | . |
| 05:20.03 | nirupama | jim, but what i am seeing is this S32clonemode service is starting with gdm or before gdm service so my purpose is not solved |
| 05:20.27 | stopher | i hate this computer, always wants to have problems when i need to sleep :| |
| 05:20.45 | jim | if gdm is started at 30, then anything after that will start it after |
| 05:21.05 | nirupama | jim, oh ok |
| 05:21.36 | shital_ | can u tell me the command to see all the installed packages? |
| 05:21.37 | jim | but you have no control over how gdm starte |
| 05:21.49 | jim | look at dpkg --help |
| 05:21.58 | shital_ | ok |
| 05:21.59 | Lagbolt | shital_, dpkg -l <-- or dpkg --get-selections |
| 05:22.03 | nirupama | jim, my requirment is two lines Option "Clone" "true" and option "clonomode" "1024x768" should get added in xorg.conf file only eaxctly after my gdm login screen appears |
| 05:22.38 | nirupama | jim, these two lines help me in projector viewing |
| 05:22.42 | jim | then they won't have any effect |
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| 05:23.14 | jim | you don't have that kind of control |
| 05:23.29 | mortal1 | does the debian installer support disk encryption? |
| 05:23.47 | nirupama | jim, why |
| 05:23.51 | jim | if gdm wants to fork/exec in order to start and then do whatever part in the new process, you have no control over that |
| 05:23.57 | markybob | mortal1 yes. look at the install guide |
| 05:23.59 | stopher | i put the new network card. hopefully it's not a false hope |
| 05:24.33 | markybob | they say hope is a dangerous thing :P |
| 05:24.45 | jim | stopher: what was the old net card? |
| 05:24.58 | stopher | Linksys? eth0 |
| 05:25.15 | jim | so you don't know what the chipset was? |
| 05:25.22 | jim | what's the new one? |
| 05:25.43 | stopher | The new one is the same as old, only .. new in box lol |
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| 05:25.47 | stopher | and i get the same error here |
| 05:26.09 | jim | what is it exactly? (and how would you find out)? |
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| 05:26.33 | extor | is webmin a fairly safe app to install, or is it risky on a web server? |
| 05:26.42 | stopher | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:27.10 | jim | what's the chipset? |
| 05:27.14 | mortal1 | The reason I ask, is suppose you have a partition that was encrypted with the current version of debian, then say you do a clean re-install while retaining the encrypted /home partition, would the installer recognize that exsisting partition and allow you to access it? |
| 05:27.18 | ryty | extor: unless your firewall allows the non-standard port through, I wouldn't worry about it |
| 05:27.26 | stopher | okay now it says "eth0 available, not configured" that's better than what it was!@ |
| 05:27.50 | jim | so ifconfig -a shows an eth0? |
| 05:28.29 | stopher | eth1 w/ the static IP |
| 05:29.14 | stopher | sweet it's back up! |
| 05:29.23 | extor | ryty you mean if I have the webmin administrator port blocked, I am OK? |
| 05:29.45 | ryty | extor: unless your normal web app has a proxy server built in to it? |
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| 05:29.55 | extor | is confused |
| 05:30.03 | ryty | usually webmin only allows connections from the localhost anyways |
| 05:30.16 | stopher | on that note, thank you to everyone, and thinks jim for your help!!! the new card is working...when i have more energy tomorrow i'll check out the old card and figure out what the heck happened.! |
| 05:30.26 | extor | yeah well I can configure webmin to allow connections coming through my home box |
| 05:30.58 | jim | sounds like the other card was bad |
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| 05:31.24 | stopher | it wasn't too old, probably just gave up from the constant traffic or something. fried. whatever. good thing i had a spare |
| 05:31.28 | wah | hi. what is the best way to synchronize the time of a server? i want the server to act as a client only. when i install ntpdate and do a netstat -l ntpd is listening... is chrony the right solution? i have read quite a few documents but can't find out... do you have a hint for me please? |
| 05:31.28 | nirupama | jim, does sony vaio series have a thinkfinger driver or bioapi |
| 05:31.38 | nirupama | jim, how can I know what driver it needs |
| 05:31.48 | catsup | nirupama: your approach doesn't seem to be right |
| 05:31.50 | nirupama | for fingerprint reader |
| 05:31.53 | ryty | wah: edit /etc/ntp.conf and run the ntp daemon |
| 05:31.54 | jim | stopher: you're welcome and all... but I noticed a tendency on your part to avoid answering questions exactly |
| 05:32.01 | nirupama | cateye, why |
| 05:32.18 | ryty | before running the daemon, do a "ntpdate <timeserver>" |
| 05:32.19 | jim | when I asked a question about eth0, you talked about eth1 |
| 05:32.19 | stopher | What do you mean, jim? |
| 05:32.21 | catsup | nirupama: you are modifying xorg.conf in an init script? do i understand? |
| 05:32.48 | stopher | The card was on eth0... When I did ifconfig, it didn't show eth0, it showed eth1 with the correct address it should have... Sorry, I should have clarified |
| 05:32.58 | stopher | (that was after the switch( |
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| 05:33.16 | jim | so do you have an eth0 and an eth1? |
| 05:33.46 | stopher | eth0 doesn't show on ifconfig -a now. eth1 does. It was vice versa before the switch |
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| 05:34.04 | nirupama | catsup, yes |
| 05:34.21 | catsup | nirupama: why are you doing that? what is the behavior you want? |
| 05:34.31 | nirupama | catsup, just two lines for sony vaio support which does exist in xorg.conf |
| 05:34.46 | rav1 | hey ppl, I have just bought a new printer which is a Lexmark E250dn sitting on the network which I would like to install under my Debian now. However I have never dealt with printers under Debian before, where should I start looking? |
| 05:35.09 | nirupama | catsup, sony vaio VGN-TZ17GN does not have support for projector,fingerprint,full screen through debian |
| 05:35.12 | ryty | rav1: cups |
| 05:35.29 | nirupama | catsup, even the mouse motion is dam slow and left mouse button doesn not work |
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| 05:35.43 | jim | stopher: there are times people will ask you things and you don't necessarily know why they're asking... if you have a problem with that (not saying you do), you could ask why they're asking... otherwise try answering more exactly, and if you get a different result (eth1 versus eth0 for example), it would be cool of you to clarify as you're suggesting |
| 05:35.44 | nirupama | catsup, camera does not work and many of the function keys too |
| 05:35.52 | markybob | rav1 gnome? |
| 05:36.05 | rav1 | markybob:yes |
| 05:36.08 | markybob | rav1 gnome-cups-manager |
| 05:36.13 | catsup | nirupama: this does nothing to explain why you are modifying a configuration file in an init script |
| 05:36.40 | catsup | do you have some other script that undoes the modification? why would you need to apply a change every boot/ |
| 05:37.08 | rav1 | markybob: yeh, I tried this, but then I get "cups server can not be contacted" even though I know cupsd is running? |
| 05:37.40 | nirupama | catsup, no the modification should be permanent |
| 05:37.46 | jim | stopher, having said all that, I'm glad to hear it worked out |
| 05:37.49 | markybob | rav1 are you running it as root? |
| 05:37.53 | catsup | nirupama: so just edit the file |
| 05:38.02 | nirupama | catsup, but it will get added only for a sony vaio laptop no other laptop will get these lines |
| 05:38.11 | nirupama | catsup, which file u mean |
| 05:38.18 | rav1 | markybob: yes |
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| 05:38.59 | markybob | rav1 netstat -l shows cupsd? |
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| 05:39.23 | catsup | nirupama: so, what, you're making an image for several different machines? |
| 05:39.48 | mortal1 | markybob: would the debian installer be able to recognize and access pre-exsisting encrypted partitions created by the same version of debian? |
| 05:39.57 | markybob | mortal1 no |
| 05:40.15 | mortal1 | markybob: ...why? |
| 05:40.21 | rav1 | markybob: hmm, now I restarted cupd as root, then I could run gnome-cups-manager, dunno why I got that error before? |
| 05:40.41 | catsup | mortal1: the LUKS format would make that possible |
| 05:40.59 | markybob | mortal1 because it hasnt been implemented. it's on the todo for lenny |
| 05:41.09 | nirupama | catsup, ? |
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| 05:41.29 | mortal1 | markybob: i see, i need to google for that |
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| 05:41.45 | catsup | nirupama: i'm not real interested in teasing it out of you |
| 05:41.53 | wah | ryty: for ntpd there is only the restrict command in /etc/ntpd.conf which could help me restrict others to query my server, is this the right approach? |
| 05:42.03 | markybob | mortal1 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/LennyGoals |
| 05:42.21 | markybob | mortal1 in particular "partman-crypto: Allow a user to re-use an existing encrypted filesystem without data loss (ex: /home, /srv, etc) " |
| 05:42.22 | mortal1 | thank you |
| 05:42.31 | ryty | wah: no. |
| 05:42.51 | ryty | wah: set up the timeservers, and start the daemon. It can act as only a client, and not a server |
| 05:42.58 | ryty | (if configured to do so) |
| 05:43.00 | mortal1 | what if, instead of a clean install I did a dist upgrade or whatever? |
| 05:43.22 | markybob | mortal1 you're asking if that'll allow you to keep your encrypted partitions? |
| 05:43.23 | halassocracy | that would have its advantages and disadvantages |
| 05:43.25 | Lagbolt | mortal1, what are you trying to do? upgrade encrypted debian install? |
| 05:43.28 | wah | ryty: thanks |
| 05:43.53 | rav1 | markybob: ok, so now I got it running, I'm afraid I have no clue what to write in the add printer dialog. Can you tell me?I suppose I select Network printer, but what protocol should I use? IPP? and how to write the URI? |
| 05:44.02 | maxt3r | when i sh sometihng.sh i get Extraction failed what shall i do help |
| 05:44.05 | catsup | mortal1: you should upgrade rather than do a clean install anyway |
| 05:44.46 | markybob | rav1 yes, generally it's IPP. ip:port |
| 05:45.13 | mortal1 | catsup: it's an old failing I have from windows, (and older versions of linux with less reliable upgrade processes), I usually do a clean install |
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| 05:47.27 | maxt3r | can someone help me whit my sh proplem |
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| 05:47.52 | valdyn | maxt3r: redownload that .sh file |
| 05:48.02 | Lagbolt | maxt3r, what are you extracting? and is that the exact error.? any other info? |
| 05:48.09 | valdyn | maxt3r: and/or put that file into a directory where you have write access |
| 05:48.12 | markybob | has a feeling it's nvidia |
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| 05:50.23 | maxt3r | i will mean i have right in my home |
| 05:50.32 | maxt3r | will try sh whit root |
| 05:50.52 | mortal1 | markybob: sorry, yes I was asking if doing an upgrade would allow me to continue using those partitions? |
| 05:51.04 | markybob | mortal1 yes |
| 05:51.08 | rav1 | markybob: sorry, but I'm probably messing things up now; I did add a ppd for my printer that I found online, but when done, no printer appeared in the gnome-cups-manager window. When I tried to add it again, it says it's already installed?? |
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| 05:51.30 | markybob | rav1 try restarting cupsd |
| 05:51.57 | maxt3r | same error whit root... Extraction failed...Signal caught, cleaning up |
| 05:52.47 | markybob | maxt3r so listen to what others have suggested and redownload, as that file may be corrupted |
| 05:53.00 | rav1 | markybob: doesn't work :-( |
| 05:53.07 | maxt3r | i have redown alot off times, and different files to |
| 05:53.41 | maxt3r | but google helped me, sh file.sh --keep that does it |
| 05:53.53 | maxt3r | whats does that --keep |
| 05:54.12 | extor | Is it feasable to use iptables to block incomming http requests from huge IP blocks, like china, india etc if I get those IP blocks formatted nicely into a rules file? I want to lessen the load on my websites especially during peak usage by blocking half the world. |
| 05:54.28 | valdyn | extor: sure |
| 05:54.46 | jim | extor: if you speciry the block in advance |
| 05:55.05 | extor | so this is not really an inneficient method I presume |
| 05:55.15 | valdyn | extor: its the best method there is |
| 05:55.21 | extor | performance wise? |
| 05:55.22 | \amethyst | ??? |
| 05:55.30 | extor | !!! |
| 05:55.30 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 05:55.38 | jim | &&& |
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| 05:55.45 | valdyn | extor: except using a dedicated router / box , yes |
| 05:56.02 | extor | this is a dedicated box |
| 05:57.02 | valdyn | extor: using iptables for this does not cause significant load by orders of magnitue compared to what your web server has to cope with |
| 05:57.21 | xingu | extor: http://ipset.netfilter.org/ <-- may be of some use depending on specifics. |
| 05:58.04 | extor | valdyn so are you saying using iptables is actually better than using php based ip denial algorithms? |
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| 05:58.22 | the_sniff | what should i do if i see May 2 06:55:28 white kernel: ReiserFS: dm-1: warning: vs-13060: reiserfs_update_sd: stat data of object [2 863 0x0 SD] (nlink == 2) not found (pos 1) |
| 05:58.23 | the_sniff | ? |
| 05:58.25 | jim | what;s a xtable? |
| 05:58.50 | jim | check your wife for vital signsQ! |
| 05:59.30 | fireba11 | hi everyone. what could cause filesystem corruption on ext3 besides bad HD or ram ? i checked both already .. |
| 05:59.30 | nevyn | extor: absolutly |
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| 06:00.01 | markybob | fireba11 bad cable? magnets near or on the box? |
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| 06:00.14 | nevyn | extor: php means the kernel has already accepted the tcp stream and passed it to userspace |
| 06:00.36 | mx | hi, can anynone help getting imagick installed ina d ebian box? |
| 06:00.37 | mx | debian |
| 06:00.41 | fireba11 | markybob : a bad sata cable seems unlikely, and of course there are no strong magnets anywhere close. the raid5 was ok all the time too |
| 06:01.01 | jim | apt-get install imagemagick? |
| 06:01.11 | mx | hmm |
| 06:01.13 | mx | tahts it? |
| 06:01.19 | markybob | fireba11 you're talking only one drive in a raid 5? |
| 06:01.22 | markybob | mx yes, that's it |
| 06:01.26 | mx | damn |
| 06:01.28 | jim | try and see (I might have the name wrong) |
| 06:01.31 | mx | same for imagemagick? |
| 06:01.41 | mx | oh |
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| 06:01.48 | mx | those are two different ones :D |
| 06:02.10 | \amethyst | mx: are you talking about for PHP? |
| 06:02.12 | jim | oh, what's imagic? |
| 06:02.13 | mx | nothing special for php? |
| 06:02.15 | mx | yes |
| 06:02.20 | \amethyst | mx: php5-imagick |
| 06:02.38 | mx | do i need tod o both or host php5-imagick? |
| 06:02.39 | fireba11 | markybob : of course not. 4 drives in raid5 |
| 06:02.45 | mx | -*just |
| 06:02.59 | markybob | fireba11 i meant only one failure |
| 06:03.00 | \amethyst | mx: depends on whether you need the command-line imagemagick tools |
| 06:03.05 | mx | yes |
| 06:03.08 | the_sniff | what should i do if i see May 2 06:55:28 white kernel: ReiserFS: dm-1: warning: vs-13060: reiserfs_update_sd: stat data of object [2 863 0x0 SD] (nlink == 2) not found (pos 1) |
| 06:03.13 | mx | becasue i am gonna use a script on one of teh websites |
| 06:03.28 | mx | taht uses php to call imagick and imagemick |
| 06:03.38 | \amethyst | mx: then install them both. php5-imagick has the PHP bindings and imagemagick the command line program |
| 06:03.50 | mx | ahh |
| 06:03.56 | mx | thanks |
| 06:04.09 | \amethyst | they both depend on libmagick, the imagemagick library |
| 06:04.18 | fireba11 | markybob : i don't know. i checked all HDs and they seem fine, smart is okay too and raid was never broken afaict, but i get stuff like wrong free node count, even unlinked nodes with fsck in ext3. after reformatting the / partition and reinstalling it's showing some errors again now. |
| 06:04.18 | mx | i hope idont ge tinto anytrouble i hate trouble |
| 06:04.21 | mx | but who doesnt |
| 06:04.53 | \amethyst | fireba11: has the machine ever gone done uncleanly? |
| 06:04.59 | fireba11 | \amethyst: nope |
| 06:05.06 | markybob | hardware or software raid? |
| 06:05.14 | fireba11 | markybob : software raid |
| 06:05.16 | xingu | fireba11: what kernel version? |
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| 06:05.44 | markybob | got me. i've never used software raid |
| 06:06.28 | fireba11 | 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Sun Feb 10 22:06:33 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux .. bevore reinstall i had the amd64 kernel running |
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| 06:08.03 | cafuego | the_sniff: I'd be asking myself what i was thinking when i picked reiserfs. |
| 06:08.22 | pinto3 | do you guys know of any pdf->text/html etc converter, or a tty pdf viewer? |
| 06:08.31 | fireba11 | cafuego: why ? |
| 06:08.59 | the_sniff | cafuego i didn't really have a choice |
| 06:09.25 | cafuego | fireba11: The fsck and repair tools rather lack. |
| 06:09.54 | the_sniff | that server was recovered when it already had reiserfs and there are many files so i skipped the whole lifelong process of moving everything |
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| 06:10.09 | mx | uh |
| 06:10.10 | fireba11 | cafuego: am using ext3 and xfs here .. though with xfs you'd better make sure your boxes don#t go down unclean ... |
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| 06:10.53 | mx | while installing imageemagick, it asks me for server:~# |
| 06:10.56 | navetz | can anyone here help me get dual screen extended mode working |
| 06:11.06 | xingu | fireba11: are you using data=ordered (per /proc/mounts) ? |
| 06:11.08 | mx | is that the ip of the server? |
| 06:12.13 | fireba11 | xingu: yes, though i don't knwo what that actually means :-) |
| 06:13.08 | xingu | fireba11: see tune2fs(8), journal_data_* fs options |
| 06:13.10 | mx | anyone? |
| 06:13.12 | fireba11 | got a LVM on the same disks as well, thsoe partitions only show wrong free counts up to now ... |
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| 06:14.52 | xingu | fireba11: but if your problem is fs metadata damage and not corrupt files, with ordered journal the only robust explanation is that whatever device has your filesystem's journal is erroring in such a way that the journal is left in an inconsistent state |
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| 06:15.15 | cafuego | the_sniff: which kernel is it running? |
| 06:15.44 | cafuego | the_sniff: I found a reference that it might be a bug in reiserfs that was fixed in 2.6.20 |
| 06:15.48 | xingu | fireba11: for a performance hit, you could switch to data=journal mount flag |
| 06:16.04 | xingu | fireba11: this at least would make your data and metadata share fate |
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| 06:16.43 | xingu | fireba11: as to _what_ is causing the problem - is the system also locking prior to reboot/discovering that the fs is mildly toast? |
| 06:18.14 | the_sniff | cafuego: 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 06:18.25 | the_sniff | cafuego lol crap :( |
| 06:18.33 | fireba11 | xingu : nope. .. first time i notithed something was wrong when / switched to ro ... after reinstalling i thight i might check again and already had a wrong free count according to fsck -n |
| 06:18.46 | the_sniff | cafuego can i upgrade to a kernel package? |
| 06:18.54 | the_sniff | cafuego and can you show me the reference? |
| 06:19.09 | cafuego | the_sniff: You can *probably* install a lenny kernel package I'd hazard |
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| 06:19.26 | cafuego | the_sniff: I don't know if there is a depend on a specific mkinitrd and thus a libc6 |
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| 06:20.40 | xingu | fireba11: right, definitely sounds like a device is erroring and that this is throwing the raid5 personality to me; I'd use smartmontools' smartctl(8) to offline-test each spindle |
| 06:20.42 | fireba11 | xingu : hm .. is it normal to have free block and free inode count not change AT ALL ? fsck -n from two days ago showed exactly the same values as of right now, the re-count showed a little change as i would expect |
| 06:22.03 | xingu | fireba11: again it sounds like your journal is wedged. |
| 06:22.40 | fireba11 | xingu: the funny thing is it seems the exact same thing is happening a second time .. i'll go check the HDs more touroughly .. |
| 06:22.46 | the_sniff | http://rafb.net/p/tEI27939.html what's this with ls? and how do i fix it? |
| 06:22.53 | xingu | fireba11: just out of interest, did you step-upgrade this system from some other kernel to 2.6.18? |
| 06:23.32 | fireba11 | xingu: no, as i said bevore i reinstalled / 4 days ago .. |
| 06:23.32 | the_sniff | cafuego check this out http://rafb.net/p/tEI27939.html should i fsck? im remote :( |
| 06:23.33 | xingu | fireba11: nb if the device is reporting media errors it'll continue to do so regardless of how many times you build new filesystems on it |
| 06:23.53 | xingu | fireba11: ok but your install-time kernel was the same 2.6.18? |
| 06:23.57 | fireba11 | xingu: naturally .. i'm monitoring smart values with munin and saw nothing critical there |
| 06:24.38 | fireba11 | xingu: yes, never rebooted the box so far .. that's why the amd64 kernel isn't running |
| 06:24.42 | xingu | fireba11: there's other things (heat, bus errors) that'll upset the raid5 bit; are you also monitoring its health? |
| 06:24.54 | cafuego | the_sniff: You can't fsck that without remounting root read-only... which means turning off daemons (as in single-user mode and prolly no remote access) |
| 06:25.11 | cafuego | the_sniff: Do you have a backup? |
| 06:25.12 | fireba11 | xingu: yes, raid helth was reported ok all the time, temperatures of the HDs also look quite normal |
| 06:25.20 | xingu | fireba11: how about cpu temp? |
| 06:25.42 | the_sniff | cafuego of those directories? |
| 06:25.49 | xingu | (although those sorts of things tend to wedge the whole system too given time) |
| 06:26.01 | the_sniff | cafuego i dont need what's in them |
| 06:26.22 | cafuego | the_sniff: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-server-73/kernel-bug-invalid-opcode-613766/ |
| 06:26.30 | the_sniff | im on a software raid if i could use this to play around with the server |
| 06:26.36 | the_sniff | server/array* |
| 06:26.44 | cafuego | the_sniff: A backup of the system, not just the postfix spool dirs. |
| 06:26.51 | fireba11 | lemme check .. raid never reportet anything else than 100% sync .. HD temps are from 30 to 34 degrees ... how do i read cpu temp value ? i just noticed that one is missing in monitoring |
| 06:27.29 | cafuego | the_sniff: raid1? |
| 06:27.29 | the_sniff | cafuego mmm not really something i can build up from |
| 06:27.35 | the_sniff | raid5 and raid1 |
| 06:28.04 | cafuego | If you were running local I'd say set one of the raid1 disks as failed and fsck it to see... |
| 06:28.51 | xingu | fireba11: a useful datapoint would be comparing to ext2 fwiw; this eliminates the jbd aspect of things. |
| 06:29.11 | fireba11 | xingu: ew .. what ? you lost me there |
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| 06:29.34 | cafuego | the_sniff: But that's not the sort of thing I'd be comfortable doing remotely on a box I don't know the history of |
| 06:29.40 | sniff` | damn isp and damn my brother for keeping on restarting the router like a maniac |
| 06:29.47 | sniff` | 09:29:20 * Rejoined channel #debian |
| 06:29.47 | sniff` | 09:29:32 <cafuego> the_sniff: But that's not the sort of thing I'd be comfortable doing remotely on a box I don't know the history of |
| 06:29.47 | cafuego | If you were running local I'd say set one of the raid1 disks as failed and fsck it to see... |
| 06:29.54 | sniff` | what did you write before that? |
| 06:29.58 | cafuego | ^ that |
| 06:30.02 | sniff` | oh |
| 06:30.08 | sniff` | 09:28:29 the_sniff: its sitting in a server farm :x |
| 06:30.12 | sniff` | then i got d/c |
| 06:30.29 | xingu | fireba11: ext3 plays all sorts of silly games with the pagecache to allow it to work out what to journal; eliminating this complexity is a useful step |
| 06:30.53 | fireba11 | xingu: so you suggest going down to ext2 |
| 06:31.35 | xingu | fireba11: it's one thought; are you also using dm-crypt? or just straight raid5? |
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| 06:32.36 | pinto3 | i'm not getting any 'progress dialog' from the nautilus dvd creator |
| 06:32.50 | pinto3 | i just burnt a cdrom awhile ago without a problem, but the dvd's not going |
| 06:32.52 | fireba11 | xingu : just straight raid5 from installer .. no crypt etc |
| 06:34.28 | xingu | fireba11: ok; so the remaining angle is whether or not your host adapter is the source of error; again this would tend to offline the raid, but as you've said this is all above that layer, in the filesystem |
| 06:34.29 | fireba11 | xingu: also / is not part of the LVM |
| 06:34.37 | meff | how can i copy from a cdrom that will fail upon read error, unlike cp? |
| 06:34.55 | xingu | fireba11: so root is not raid'd? |
| 06:35.40 | fireba11 | xingu: no,no .. i got raid0 for /boot, raid 5 for / and the LVM volume ... |
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| 06:35.49 | xingu | aah ok. |
| 06:36.56 | xingu | fireba11: ok so the next experiment is trying ext2; if you don't see the same symptoms, update to a newer kernel (I assume these have been backported); there's been a lot of work done in the area of vfs<->block layer interaction, specifically in terms of error reporting from libsata/libata |
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| 06:39.00 | fireba11 | xingu: okay .. thanks for all the help. i might move the services to another box next week since i can't afford any loss of real data (the stuff on the LVM) there ... then i have more options to play around and investigate more thouroughly |
| 06:39.08 | simonrvn | meff: ddrescue? |
| 06:39.16 | simonrvn | or some similar tool |
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| 06:40.19 | xingu | fireba11: sorry I can't be more use; you've covered the likely angles already, my gut instinct is that the remaining/ likely fault area is between the vfs layer and the block layer (ie, either in the raid5 code or in the way that vfs-ops are dispatched to it) |
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| 06:40.36 | xingu | fireba11: if your system is under heavy _memory_ pressure I'd be just a little more certain on that diagnosis |
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| 06:45.21 | Haris1 | Hello people, folks, guys, gals, everyone |
| 06:46.27 | Haris1 | On etch r3, I put up -j LOG before the rules for browsing in my iptables rules. I noticed, that the connection is actually reaching the linux box -> May 2 02:42:56 sglhrcvs kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:b0:d0:3d:f2:b5:00:50:bf:7c:e9:03:08:00 SRC=192.168.0.244 DST=208.48.161.101 LEN=48 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=13481 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=2682 DPT=80 WINDOW=65535 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 <- I can say this because iptables logs the hits I make from browser's refr |
| 06:47.03 | Haris1 | ..but, needless to say there is no response |
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| 06:52.16 | rav1 | anyone can tell me how to install a new printer in cups BY HAND w.o. all these f**ing interfaces that doesn't work. I HATE CUPS!! Nothing works there, and the documentation is -- well there is no documentation at ALL |
| 06:52.22 | fireba11 | xingu: hm .. sometimes .. the box is running samba and bacula for backups .. bacula running puts quite some strain for a few hours since it creates a lot of database entries every time. rest of the time the box is rather idling |
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| 06:55.58 | Haris1 | Now, I'm sure the client connection is reaching the debian box, because iptables log confirms it |
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| 06:56.15 | Haris1 | How do I check that comes after iptables? |
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| 06:56.31 | Haris1 | iptables -> squid <-> internet |
| 06:57.07 | simonrvn | ipt is lower level, but it'd be more packets -> ipt -> squid |
| 06:57.26 | pinto3 | meh, didn't know the growisofs command burnt them cmd line, wonder why i couldn't burn it through gnome |
| 06:57.32 | the_sniff | can i queue a file system check on boot? |
| 06:58.09 | Haris1 | simonrvn: *innocent laugh*, that .. went over me |
| 06:58.25 | fireba11 | the_sniff : shutdown -Fr |
| 06:58.32 | simonrvn | iptables is lower level than squid's application level |
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| 06:58.52 | Haris1 | in the ISO communication stack |
| 06:58.53 | the_sniff | fireba11 seriously? O_x |
| 06:58.55 | Haris1 | no doubt |
| 06:59.00 | Haris1 | so .. that means? |
| 06:59.08 | simonrvn | OSI |
| 06:59.12 | Haris1 | yes, osi |
| 06:59.31 | fireba11 | the_sniff : well -F for force fsck on reboot, -r to actually reboot |
| 06:59.40 | simonrvn | bleh, too tired to help much |
| 06:59.48 | the_sniff | fireba11: yeah just saw the man page thanks. but will it use reiserfsck? |
| 06:59.56 | the_sniff | and will it go through all disks |
| 06:59.57 | the_sniff | ? |
| 06:59.59 | Haris1 | no problem |
| 07:00.04 | Haris1 | I can manage a few days this way |
| 07:00.06 | Haris1 | hehe |
| 07:00.16 | dub | prison fsck |
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| 07:00.19 | Haris1 | I'v managed thus far without tossing debian out of the box :p |
| 07:00.20 | fireba11 | the_sniff: everything except / you can just unmount anyway |
| 07:00.30 | Haris1 | I can handle the complaints at office :p |
| 07:00.33 | the_sniff | fireba11 its an lvm |
| 07:00.41 | the_sniff | i dont really know what to do the check on lol |
| 07:00.45 | the_sniff | lvm over software raid |
| 07:00.51 | Haris1 | hmm.. is there anything I can do myself to troubleshoot further? |
| 07:01.01 | simonrvn | tcpdump |
| 07:01.05 | Haris1 | Can I raise the number of packets that can be sent/received? |
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| 07:01.09 | simonrvn | watch it happen live |
| 07:01.20 | fireba11 | the_sniff : you can check the filesystem inside the lvm normally .. you can also have the lvm checked of course ... |
| 07:02.07 | the_sniff | fireba11 how would i check it inside the lvm? |
| 07:02.10 | simonrvn | Haris1: send more? :) |
| 07:02.28 | fireba11 | the_sniff : just like everywhere else |
| 07:02.36 | the_sniff | and would fsck run by default on reboot? |
| 07:02.58 | fireba11 | the_sniff: only after qutie some time without check |
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| 07:06.45 | the_sniff | fireba11: how long would an fsck on a SATA 500 GB hd would normally take? |
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| 07:07.07 | the_sniff | and it isn't supposed to fail, right? |
| 07:07.19 | Blast_Hardcheese | the_sniff: takes me about 6 minutes |
| 07:07.23 | Blast_Hardcheese | EXT3 |
| 07:07.26 | fireba11 | the_sniff : depends on filesystem i guess ... on ext3 it took about 3 minutes |
| 07:07.38 | the_sniff | and reiserfs? |
| 07:08.06 | jim | the_sniff: one partition on the whole drive? |
| 07:08.17 | the_sniff | the whole drive |
| 07:08.26 | esaym | anyone know why a cron task like "* */5* * * root /directory/script" would end up getting ran every minute? |
| 07:08.26 | the_sniff | im gonna let fsck go on reboot since im remote |
| 07:08.45 | jim | it takes longer when there are items on the drive |
| 07:09.05 | the_sniff | and i wanna know how long will the downtime take. plus, is there a reason the server wont come back? (it was rebooted few minutes ago) |
| 07:09.11 | the_sniff | oh well its about 150GB full |
| 07:09.18 | the_sniff | how long would that take? |
| 07:09.26 | markybob | esaym you want * * /5 * not * * /5* |
| 07:09.38 | unop | esaym, are you sure it's exactly like that in your crontab? |
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| 07:10.03 | esaym | no |
| 07:10.05 | esaym | * */6* * *root/home/storage/backups/scripts/backuphourly |
| 07:10.08 | esaym | that is it |
| 07:10.21 | x1250 | what was the name of the program to modify changelog file in debian packages? |
| 07:10.31 | sep | debchange ? |
| 07:10.32 | esaym | it waits 6 hours and then starts running every minute afterwards, killing the system |
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| 07:11.04 | esaym | opps |
| 07:11.05 | streuner | x1250: /msg dpkg mentors |
| 07:11.11 | esaym | the paste left out the tabes |
| 07:11.22 | x1250 | sep, yep, I think thats it |
| 07:11.31 | x1250 | streuner: ok, thanks |
| 07:11.33 | esaym | * */6 * * * root /home/storage/backups/scripts/backuphourly |
| 07:12.00 | the_sniff | jim, fireba11, Blast_Hardcheese: is fsck 'failable'? and how long would it take on a reiserfs/500GB hd? suppose it's full, though i didn't think it matters |
| 07:12.39 | markybob | esaym if you want somethinng run hourly, just add the file to /etc/cron.hourly/ |
| 07:13.25 | esaym | true |
| 07:13.31 | esaym | but I was wanting every 6 |
| 07:13.51 | esaym | but like I said, it starts running every minute afterwards.. |
| 07:13.55 | jim | which minute? which hour? |
| 07:14.46 | fireba11 | the_sniff: what you mean failable ? if it might crash ? no, but it might ask what to do it it finds errors ... |
| 07:15.26 | the_sniff | fireba11: can't i make it automatically fix errors? |
| 07:15.35 | esaym | jim: it starts running every minute after it runs the first time (after 6 hours) |
| 07:16.11 | unop | esaym, the script probably runs itself every minute?? have you checked? |
| 07:16.20 | jim | which minute of any hour do you want it to run? |
| 07:16.32 | esaym | I want it to run once every 6 hours |
| 07:16.39 | jim | which minute of any hour do you want it to run? |
| 07:17.03 | jim | (why am I asking this?) |
| 07:17.04 | esaym | oh hell |
| 07:17.28 | esaym | well wait a minute |
| 07:17.34 | esaym | It shouldn't matter should it? |
| 07:17.50 | jim | why would I be asking? |
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| 07:18.13 | markybob | just change the minute * to 01 if you dont have a specific minute |
| 07:18.24 | Haris1 | stew: fyi, I'v made sure, the connection is reaching from client box to debian box (router, transaprent proxy). I now need to troubleshoot further |
| 07:19.00 | Haris1 | I logged it with iptables -j LOG |
| 07:19.16 | jim | if you tell cron "any minute" it interprets that as "every minute" |
| 07:19.18 | esaym | I thought the */6 would meant that it would run ever 6 hours after cron first started or crontab reloaded? You are saying that I have to specify the minute? so you can't do * */6 but something like 01 */6? |
| 07:19.23 | jim | that's why I'm asking |
| 07:19.48 | esaym | hmm |
| 07:19.50 | esaym | amazing |
| 07:19.52 | Haris1 | jim: Read about cron. There's a big load of stuff available on web |
| 07:20.06 | Haris1 | with detailed examples |
| 07:20.19 | jim | I'm not the one needing help |
| 07:20.25 | Haris1 | :o .. sorry! |
| 07:20.50 | jim | your target should you decide to accept it is esaym |
| 07:20.54 | jim | good luck jim |
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| 07:21.11 | jim | this net will self-destruct in five seconds |
| 07:22.29 | jim | err 10 seconds |
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| 07:23.03 | streuner | jim: hehe :-) |
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| 07:27.53 | esaym | hmm, so it looks like there is no way to get cron to run a task every 6 hours or so? */6 = 12am 6am 12pm 6pm right? |
| 07:28.14 | Haris1 | esaym: yes there, is, read! about it |
| 07:28.17 | esaym | I was wanting 6 hours from the time of a crontab reload or system start |
| 07:28.34 | esaym | Haris1: hmm ok, good to hear. I am reading |
| 07:28.43 | esaym | any tips? ;) |
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| 07:29.18 | Haris1 | You can manually put in * 0,6,12,18 * * * * /path/to/file/that/you/want/to/run |
| 07:29.34 | esaym | yea true |
| 07:29.34 | Haris1 | Correction: 0 0,6,12,18 * * * * /path/to/file/that/you/want/to/run |
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| 07:30.42 | Haris1 | there are 24 hrs in a day, what can you divide 24 with so you get a value of 6 every time? |
| 07:31.44 | unop | 3.0000098 ? |
| 07:31.51 | esaym | hmm |
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| 07:34.13 | esaym | cron is just different than what I thought it was |
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| 07:34.39 | jim | esaym: it takes a minute to figure it out... |
| 07:34.48 | jim | (pardon the pun) |
| 07:35.07 | esaym | shoot, been using cron for several years and just found this out |
| 07:35.26 | esaym | I always stuck to the hourly,daily,weekly folders |
| 07:36.00 | Haris1 | happens to all of us |
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| 07:47.16 | esaym | nother question what does * */7 in cron =? hours: 7,14,21,4,11... ? |
| 07:49.22 | sep | it means every 7th hour, |
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| 07:52.00 | esaym | so it wouldn't fall on the same hour everyday then like * */6 would right? |
| 07:52.04 | the_sniff | how can i force fsck -y on reboot? |
| 07:52.56 | liable | touch /forcefsck |
| 07:53.38 | the_sniff | liable would it -y the fsck? |
| 07:53.47 | the_sniff | and do i still need to shutdown -Fr ? |
| 07:54.42 | liable | the_sniff: i dont think so |
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| 07:56.09 | liable | hmm, actually i think it is -y |
| 07:56.19 | liable | have a look in the init script for it |
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| 07:57.03 | the_sniff | where is the init script? |
| 07:57.44 | liable | //etc/init.d/ |
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| 07:58.20 | the_sniff | its if [ "$FSCKFIX" = yes ] |
| 07:58.20 | the_sniff | then |
| 07:58.20 | the_sniff | fix="-y" |
| 07:58.23 | the_sniff | what does it mean? |
| 07:58.38 | the_sniff | should i edit the init script? |
| 07:59.10 | the_sniff | [ "$FSCKFIX" ] || FSCKFIX=no |
| 07:59.14 | the_sniff | evaluates to no |
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| 08:00.52 | the_sniff | liable: i have both ./rcS.d/S30checkfs.sh |
| 08:00.52 | the_sniff | ./init.d/checkfs.sh |
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| 08:00.59 | the_sniff | which one should i edit? |
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| 08:02.44 | the_sniff | oh its the same file :p |
| 08:05.15 | liable | i cant see where that variable is set |
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| 08:07.21 | simonrvn | the_sniff: it's a symlink (the one in rc*.d) |
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| 08:07.55 | the_sniff | simonrvn yes i noticed |
| 08:07.59 | the_sniff | where do i set that var? |
| 08:08.41 | the_sniff | besides, wouldn't [ "$FSCKFIX" ] || FSCKFIX=no always eval to no? |
| 08:09.29 | the_sniff | ./default/rcS:FSCKFIX=no |
| 08:09.30 | the_sniff | here it is |
| 08:09.42 | the_sniff | but won't it alway be the same :x |
| 08:10.00 | \amethyst | the_sniff: that snippet sets it to "no" if it is empty or unset |
| 08:10.16 | the_sniff | yeah i've just thought about it! lol |
| 08:10.18 | the_sniff | thanks |
| 08:10.18 | simonrvn | rcS' FSCKFIX i always put yes |
| 08:10.54 | the_sniff | i've put a =yes |
| 08:10.58 | the_sniff | but thats what i see now root@white:/etc# sh ./default/rcS |
| 08:11.02 | the_sniff | root@white:/etc# echo [ "$FSCKFIX" ] || FSCKFIX=no |
| 08:11.02 | the_sniff | [ ] |
| 08:11.04 | the_sniff | whats wrong? |
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| 08:13.40 | the_sniff | ok nvm i think it just didn't set anything heh |
| 08:13.42 | the_sniff | lets reboot :p |
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| 08:13.56 | the_sniff | should i reboot with -Fr? |
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| 08:14.42 | the_sniff | simonrvn, liable, \amethyst: should i reboot with -Fr? (i've already touch /forcefsck'd) |
| 08:15.08 | basanta | what is this error about "unionfs: new lower inode mtime (bindex=0, name=etc) " |
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| 08:16.27 | sarefo2 | hi, do i need to install some packages when i want bash completion on lenny? on my other machine, apt-get install x<tab> gives me all packages that start with 'x'. |
| 08:17.14 | orzo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.31 | orzo | is there a tool to patch a different library path into a dynamically linked executable? |
| 08:17.52 | orzo | I know about LD_PRELOAD, i don't want that, i want to actually re-link the binary |
| 08:19.02 | simonrvn | sarefo2: unstrangely enough called bash-completion |
| 08:19.25 | Caelum | orzo: the path is not linked into the binary, the loader looks for the .so in ld.so.conf and LD_LIBRARY_PATH |
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| 08:22.32 | the_sniff | anyone? |
| 08:22.32 | the_sniff | :X |
| 08:22.48 | the_sniff | fsck it lol :p |
| 08:23.11 | simonrvn | if you want that... do it. you asking permission? ;p |
| 08:23.27 | the_sniff | no im asking if it wont reset my vars or something |
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| 08:23.43 | the_sniff | or maybe shutdown -Fr now isn't related to the init script |
| 08:24.08 | simonrvn | um, you set them in /etc/default/rcS ? |
| 08:24.52 | orzo | Caelum: how do i tell it to relad the ld.so.conf |
| 08:25.16 | Caelum | orzo: ldconfig |
| 08:26.44 | the_sniff | simonrvn yeah |
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| 08:27.04 | simonrvn | no it won't get wiped |
| 08:27.13 | the_sniff | bah |
| 08:27.23 | the_sniff | looks like nothing happened |
| 08:27.29 | orzo | Caelum: it's not working |
| 08:28.16 | the_sniff | simonrvn: i still see stuff like http://rafb.net/p/joXmld49.html |
| 08:28.17 | Caelum | orzo: you're probably doing something wrong |
| 08:28.24 | the_sniff | the fsck didnt work, right? |
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| 08:29.28 | Caelum | orzo: you might have an /etc/ld.so.conf.d as well |
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| 08:29.33 | delire | debian etch runs absurdly hot on the lovely ThinkPad x60s. aside from following the advice of powertop and ensuring frequency scaling works, what are my options? |
| 08:29.37 | simonrvn | what did the boot msgs say? (doesn't look like it ran no) |
| 08:29.42 | delire | s/etch/stable |
| 08:30.06 | the_sniff | simonrvn you mean dmesg? |
| 08:30.24 | simonrvn | for instance |
| 08:30.29 | delire | moreso, battery life is fairly miserable at 1.4h for a machine which gives 4 under Windows. |
| 08:30.50 | Caelum | delire: there are a bunch of tricks you can do...like mount with relatime |
| 08:31.05 | the_sniff | simonrvn, nothing about fsck |
| 08:31.18 | themill | delire: are you sure that freq scaling is working? that's the biggest powersaving trick |
| 08:31.27 | delire | themill: yes, it's working well. |
| 08:31.28 | the_sniff | simonrvn but the /forcefsck is gone |
| 08:31.50 | themill | delire: :( |
| 08:31.59 | delire | themill: cat /proc/cpuinfo shows that it's at 1ghz at idle. |
| 08:32.16 | Caelum | 1ghz at idle? that seems a bit high... |
| 08:32.20 | delire | Caelum: isn't that a workaround to allow acpi to function normally? |
| 08:32.31 | delire | Caelum: no, it's normal for this class of chip |
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| 08:32.35 | Caelum | ah |
| 08:32.40 | sarefo2 | simonrvn, bash-completion is already installed. that's why i'm asking if there's anything else i need to do to get this feature. |
| 08:33.03 | Caelum | delire: relatime just makes it so there's less disk activity |
| 08:33.20 | pinto3 | i'm getting segfaults in nautilus, if any of you are developers i have a it in my syslog |
| 08:33.27 | delire | Caelum: oh, that's right. i remember now. |
| 08:34.12 | cool_sun | Hi all. I am reading a nfs mount file, it is blocked when network interface is unplugged... |
| 08:34.31 | simonrvn | duh ;) |
| 08:34.33 | cool_sun | even select returns ok |
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| 08:34.55 | cool_sun | how to avoid this blocking..any idea.??? |
| 08:36.00 | delire | are you sure that the unplugged interface isn't the one that otherwise provides you access to the nfs mount ;) |
| 08:36.00 | Caelum | delire: there are a bunch of articles on this...like http://www.osnews.com/story/10275 |
| 08:36.30 | delire | Caelum: right, i'll look at this. i've gone through the thinkwiki and linux-on-laptops site. |
| 08:37.18 | orzo | Caelum: how do applications that install under /opt that can be uninstalled by deleting their directories dynamically link against their own libraries? |
| 08:37.32 | delire | Caelum: i've managed to increase the battery life by half an hour and also drop the temperature a few degrees.. |
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| 08:38.37 | Caelum | orzo: some by setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH in a wrapper script |
| 08:38.42 | cool_sun | s, nfs server is ok. in my client pc i am trying to read the mount file, when i remove if in client "read" is blocked |
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| 08:42.53 | pinto3 | http://paste-it.net/public/of41024/ there's that segfault |
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| 08:44.29 | Caelum | pinto3: if you're getting segfaults in a program 1) make sure you're using the latest version 2) check the BTS 3) try to come up with a test case that reproduces it 4) file a bug |
| 08:45.39 | pinto3 | test case is putting a dvd-r in my drive, never used, and putting some files in the gnome burning tool, then crashing |
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| 08:46.35 | pinto3 | and my system's 100% uptodate |
| 08:46.49 | pinto3 | i'll keep the log around and maybe file a bug later, unless it's a quick process |
| 08:46.55 | pinto3 | i've got 4-5 other things going now |
| 08:47.50 | Ivan_Shi | hi there! |
| 08:47.53 | Ivan_Shi | I want to get GL/xmesa.h,so which package should i install? |
| 08:48.46 | the_sniff | simonrvn you still there m8? |
| 08:49.10 | simonrvn | sorta |
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| 08:49.33 | the_sniff | it worked |
| 08:49.46 | the_sniff | but check just one of the LVM devices, why is that? |
| 08:50.13 | Ivan_Shi | anyone can help? |
| 08:50.14 | simonrvn | the_sniff: so run it again. probably didn't do enough. i'd check your drive's SMART status |
| 08:50.22 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
| 08:50.28 | simonrvn | it'll do it for each it finds |
| 08:50.29 | dokma | Ivan_Shi: go to packages.debian.org |
| 08:50.34 | Nyle | waking up at 5am is ooookay |
| 08:50.40 | Nyle | :) |
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| 08:51.05 | simonrvn | is it that late? crap. and yes, i'd rather wake uip at 5 than be still awake at 5 |
| 08:51.16 | Nyle | hehe |
| 08:51.20 | Nyle | go to bed! |
| 08:51.23 | the_sniff | simonrvn: the SMART is ok, already checked |
| 08:52.00 | the_sniff | simonrvn how can i make sure it would check everythign on reboot and not just one device? and why did it check one in the firstplace? |
| 08:52.07 | simonrvn | sometimes i'll just boot with init=/bin/bash and fsck it from there |
| 08:52.07 | Nyle | simonrvn, have you noticed that MS IE 7's default layout is actually very intuitive |
| 08:52.23 | simonrvn | no, since i don't really use it |
| 08:52.26 | Nyle | I use iceweasel with vista aero theme, just so I can have a ie 7 thingy |
| 08:52.29 | Nyle | simonrvn, I don't either |
| 08:52.39 | Nyle | but the way the toolbars and buttons are placed, its just very very convenient |
| 08:52.46 | Ivan_Shi | simonrvn: i did,but i can't figure out which one should i install? |
| 08:53.01 | simonrvn | Ivan_Shi: what? |
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| 08:53.21 | _milligan | I'm trying to do a fresh debian install on a server, and I only just downloaded a debian netinstall disk and started from there. When it downloads libssl, it says it's corrupt, causing a dependency problem in wget it seems. Anyone encountered that and/or know how to fix it ? |
| 08:53.35 | the_sniff | simonrvn: im remote, thats why i do it on reboot |
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| 08:53.59 | the_sniff | Nyle seen IE8? its a real crappy beta :p |
| 08:54.16 | simonrvn | the_sniff: simonrvn> it'll do it for each it finds |
| 08:54.21 | Ivan_Shi | simonrvn: i mean i searched many packages,but i don't know which one is correct. |
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| 08:54.42 | simonrvn | Ivan_Shi: what are you talking about? |
| 08:55.05 | the_sniff | <simonrvn> the_sniff: simonrvn> it'll do it for each it finds |
| 08:55.08 | the_sniff | i didn't get that |
| 08:55.14 | the_sniff | what do you mean each it fines? |
| 08:55.16 | the_sniff | finds |
| 08:55.33 | simonrvn | for each "forcefsck" the fsck init stuff finds it'll run it for that partition |
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| 08:55.55 | the_sniff | oh |
| 08:56.07 | the_sniff | so i see just one because it always deletes the last log/ |
| 08:56.09 | the_sniff | ? |
| 08:56.30 | simonrvn | see one what? |
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| 08:56.49 | the_sniff | one scan |
| 08:57.13 | simonrvn | i guess you just put it on the / eh? |
| 08:57.17 | the_sniff | http://rafb.net/p/k5G6rx86.html |
| 08:57.27 | simonrvn | "put it" touch /forcefsck |
| 08:57.32 | the_sniff | oh |
| 08:57.32 | the_sniff | yes |
| 08:57.33 | the_sniff | why? |
| 08:57.35 | simonrvn | <-- TRIED |
| 08:57.48 | the_sniff | heh why did you ask? |
| 08:58.22 | the_sniff | i have to put |
| 08:58.28 | the_sniff | forcefsck on every partition? |
| 08:58.31 | simonrvn | you asked "why did it do only that partition?" |
| 08:59.14 | simonrvn | *clonk* *headkeyboard* *passed out* |
| 08:59.20 | simonrvn | waves |
| 08:59.23 | the_sniff | lol i really read your tireness |
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| 08:59.37 | the_sniff | just tell me if i need to put forcefsck before!:p |
| 08:59.44 | the_sniff | to put it on every partition lol |
| 08:59.47 | pinto3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:59.57 | pinto3 | if found that, but there's no gnome-vfs2 package |
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| 09:01.15 | icefox | What license should I put my application icon under so that it can be included in Debian? |
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| 09:01.41 | vizzy | icefox, gpl at least |
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| 09:02.07 | vizzy | maybe agpl, or gpl2 |
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| 09:13.43 | icefox | vizzy: thanks will do |
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| 09:14.43 | pinto3 | it'd be nice if you could just post your dmesg with a description, :-/ |
| 09:14.53 | vizzy | icefox, read about gpl v3 before you decide to use it, it has some changes vs. gpl2, very confusing sometimes |
| 09:15.39 | icefox | vizzy: well the app is gpl2 so it makes sense to have the icon under the same license |
| 09:15.55 | vizzy | yepp :) |
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| 09:21.34 | orveldv | can I trick somehow aptitude and prevent it from installing perl when I install mc? I'm having this feeling that mc will still work without perl :-) |
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| 09:23.11 | petemc | orveldv: debian needs perl |
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| 09:23.48 | sandman | Is there a relatively easy way to restart init |
| 09:23.51 | sandman | So that new configurations will be used |
| 09:23.54 | themill | it does? it's only a suggests, isn't it? |
| 09:24.00 | themill | !depends mc |
| 09:24.20 | orveldv | petemc: I'm building a very minimal system, so far only mc depends on perl and perl-modules |
| 09:24.22 | pinto3 | can i send an email to something@bugs.debian.org? i only have a hotmail account and evolution's not giving me any http options |
| 09:24.22 | dpkg | mc: depends on libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgpmg1 (>= 1.20.0), libslang2 (>= 2.0.7-1) |
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| 09:25.03 | orveldv | scratches his head |
| 09:25.17 | Bushmills | try lice powder |
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| 09:26.15 | orveldv | ah ok, it's because I'm using sarge |
| 09:26.46 | Bushmills | orveldv: perl is not a dependency of mc |
| 09:26.48 | themill | orveldv: ahh... you want to be upgrading to etch anyway then... but even in sarge it's only a suggests for perl |
| 09:26.58 | Bushmills | it is merely suggested |
| 09:27.10 | themill | orveldv: do you have aptitude configured to install suggested packages? |
| 09:27.44 | orveldv | themill: no, I don't think so; give me a sec to paste somewhere some stuff |
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| 09:30.08 | robbie | how do you make apt search for a specific command? |
| 09:30.26 | themill | !tell robbie about apt-file |
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| 09:34.10 | meeero | is there a way to import XML-files into openoffice? |
| 09:34.25 | orveldv | themill, Bushmills : fixed ; sorry, my fault: I was having an old mc (from woody) that needed perl ; now I upgraded to the sarge one. Thank you guys |
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| 09:34.52 | themill | orveldv: heh.. that'll do it. But you really need to be moving to etch now. Security support for sarge finished over a month ago. |
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| 09:36.23 | orveldv | themill: yep, I'm aware of that, but I kept sarge on that old machine because of the 2.4 kernel which runs faster; FWIW on my main machine I run lenny |
| 09:36.34 | ddalton | can someone please join ##ddalton to help me out with a swap partition? I'm blind and can't follow such a busy channel. |
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| 09:39.25 | enouf | the_sniff: you should be reading man fstab |
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| 09:39.48 | enouf | ddalton: hi, i'll help |
| 09:40.02 | the_sniff | enouf: why? |
| 09:40.25 | salvin | sid is destroyed? |
| 09:40.31 | enouf | the_sniff: you seem to be asking about fsck'ing all partitions, yes? |
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| 09:41.19 | salvin | a lot of packages are missing |
| 09:41.20 | the_sniff | enouf: yes but an unattended one with boot |
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| 09:41.55 | enouf | the_sniff: see man fstab |
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| 09:43.32 | abchirk | ok I will do that |
| 09:44.14 | the_sniff | enouf it has that kind of info? :s |
| 09:45.17 | enouf | the_sniff: "The sixth field, (fs_passno), is used by the fsck(8) program to determine the order in which filesys-" |
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| 09:46.05 | sandman | Anyone here use TV-Out via S-Video on an nVidia card? |
| 09:46.28 | the_sniff | so that mean all filesystems are checked on boot? why didn't it fix the error then? |
| 09:46.28 | sandman | Because for whatever reason, I cannot for the life of me get either nvtv or nvidia-settings to detect/get it to work/what-have-you |
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| 09:47.33 | the_sniff | can i CTRL+Z and then fg it in a screen? |
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| 09:48.39 | sandman | the_sniff: I don't think so... but I could be mistaken. |
| 09:50.39 | enouf | the_sniff: for non-root FSs i generally do it myself, since i can umount those partitions at will .. and i like the extra control, but your fstab settings do determine fsck order, / should be 1, all others should be 2 (is the way i read it) |
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| 10:01.06 | zmotok | hello everyone; anyone know of a debian-based livecd that uses syslinux for booting? |
| 10:01.10 | extor | http://www.cuill.com/twiceler/robot.html |
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| 10:02.05 | oskude | hi, im a wiki noob and just registered at wiki.debian.org. the form said i should use Firstname''''''Lastname and now looking at RecentChanges is see all other users names are FirstnameLastname and i'm the only one with Firstname''''''Lastname. am i stupid ? |
| 10:02.12 | extor | So I got them crawling one of my sites, just wonder what they are all about and why they got all that venture capital. |
| 10:03.21 | pinto3 | when you write out the bug report from nano, and it has your email address and writes the file to /tmp, does it get sent automatically? |
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| 10:06.00 | pinto3 | n/m i got it, didn't want to spend another hour for nothing |
| 10:06.05 | pinto3 | :p( |
| 10:06.43 | pumpkin | what is the most easy-to-use audio-CD ripper in debian lenny ? I want autofilled ID3-tag via cddb, eject on finish ... |
| 10:07.26 | shital | let me know the site where i can download Debian Live CD |
| 10:08.03 | the_sniff | enouf haha i dd it:p my unix skills are improving :p |
| 10:08.05 | the_sniff | btw the_sniff: can i CTRL+Z and then fg it in a screen? |
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| 10:08.28 | enouf | you dd'd what? |
| 10:08.36 | the_sniff | did it* |
| 10:08.40 | the_sniff | i mean i fixed the issue :p |
| 10:08.48 | enouf | oh ok, .. did what? ;-) |
| 10:08.53 | enouf | ok |
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| 10:09.13 | the_sniff | can i bg an app an then fg it in a screen? |
| 10:09.16 | the_sniff | lol lets try |
| 10:09.39 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.48 | enouf | you want to detach and then attach? |
| 10:10.05 | the_sniff | yeah |
| 10:10.15 | the_sniff | but when i already started an app |
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| 10:10.21 | the_sniff | seems i cant |
| 10:10.25 | enouf | you can ctrl-z to suspend, and fg to foreground it |
| 10:10.43 | the_sniff | yeah but not inside a screen |
| 10:10.50 | the_sniff | when i `jobs` its empty |
| 10:10.51 | enouf | or bg %1 , fg %1 for job one, etc |
| 10:11.30 | enouf | well, screen uses it's own switches/options , that has nothing to do with fsck ;-) |
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| 10:11.58 | qwertz | Hi, does anybody know a tool to monitor hp procurve switches with linux, especially port utilization would be interesting |
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| 10:16.33 | petemc | qwertz: i would you could use snmp |
| 10:16.46 | petemc | erm, i would imagine |
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| 10:21.00 | DexterF | hi |
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| 10:22.09 | compDo | How can I verify at an NFS server if any clients have mounted on of the NFS directories the server provides? |
| 10:22.10 | DexterF | I dpkg-reconf'ed mdadm not to start arrays from initrd or autostart them at all so I can manually start it when I want. Now there's no /dev/md0 and MAKEDEV doesn't know those. How would I get md0? |
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| 10:25.11 | oskude | ok, i got pwnd by http://wiki.debian.org/UserPreferences |
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| 10:25.57 | oskude | where can i report a bug in wiki.debian.org installation ? (the name hint should look like this: http://moinmo.in/UserPreferences) |
| 10:26.16 | DexterF | ( compDo: Schild an' Mathetower hängen, dass alle unmounten sollen und warten ;) ) |
| 10:27.10 | compDo | DexterF: supa Tipp |
| 10:27.22 | qwertz | petemc thanks have used snmpwalk already but seems no mib for port utilization |
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| 10:29.05 | vizzy | cupy says network printer is no ready, restarting cupsys wont help, the printer is online and working, what to do? |
| 10:29.41 | vizzy | cups i mean |
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| 10:32.04 | themill | vizzy: how do you connect to this printer? lpd, smb, http, ipp... |
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| 10:32.52 | vizzy | the hp network printer stuff, dont know its name, how to cinfgure that stuff? |
| 10:33.20 | vizzy | or better: how to call the printing system setup utility i got on installing cups? |
| 10:33.30 | themill | vizzy: ahh the hpijs stuff.... |
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| 10:33.34 | vizzy | or MUST i use the cups web thingy |
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| 10:34.09 | themill | vizzy: I find the cups web interface the easiest to deal with. But there are other interfaces to it such as the KDE print system interface |
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| 10:34.52 | vjoe | hello |
| 10:35.08 | bvk | hi, what is the difference between s2ram and pm-suspend commands? both seems to suspend my laptop, is pm-suspend better than the other? |
| 10:35.08 | vizzy | but how to force cups to check he printer again? i can use it from other computers, here it says its offline, maybe because the printer was off when i tried to print. |
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| 10:35.41 | vizzy | restarting cups wont help, is there i timeout i can configure? |
| 10:35.43 | themill | vizzy: cups will be frequently checking this so it's a configuration problem. |
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| 10:35.56 | vizzy | i loved good old lpd :( |
| 10:36.00 | themill | yuck! |
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| 10:36.27 | themill | vizzy: do you have the device URI correct? (did you use hp-makeuri?) |
| 10:36.36 | jimcooncat | If I roll my own custom debian packages, how do I name them so as not to conflict with existing/future package names? do I use a prefix like "custom"? Are there any reserved prefixes/suffixes for local admins to use? |
| 10:37.03 | vizzy | hp-makwhat? no, i dont know it :) i have an old hplj4, and it was printing some stuff the last days, no cups wont |
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| 10:37.31 | vizzy | it worked just 2 days before without changes |
| 10:38.00 | themill | vizzy: I still don't know how you're connecting to the printer or how you have it set up or how you set it up. |
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| 10:39.08 | vizzy | HP LaserJet 4 Foomatic/hpijs (recommended) - HPLIP 1.6.10 |
| 10:39.14 | vizzy | socket://192.168.10.15:9100 |
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| 10:39.45 | themill | vizzy: and can you ping that IP? |
| 10:40.26 | vizzy | sure. i can print from other computers via same method too. 64 bytes from 192.168.10.15: icmp_seq=3 ttl=60 time=2.07 ms |
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| 10:42.03 | vizzy | i really wonder whats wrong with my etch, i only get weird problems here, no more printing, no usb devices, no cfcard readers, webcam will hang up computer totally, dvd burning fails, the more i try the more i think it is a bit etch related. i havent all that trouble using somewhat older linuxes |
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| 10:43.52 | DexterF | vizzy: old kernel perhaps? I installed 2.6.22 from backports, fixed a number of issues |
| 10:45.09 | cire | i have a symbolic link /dev/ext/120GB pointing to /dev/hda, created by udev. Is it possible to get the target (dev/hda) somehow? e.g. "showtarget /dev/ext/120GB" |
| 10:46.25 | themill | vizzy: and that printer is definitely running in lpd more (the exact same URI works on other machines)? Does the printer have source IP restrictions that would be preventing you from printing from that machine. |
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| 10:49.07 | visik7 | is there a way to get a list of all packages grouped by repository ? |
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| 10:51.37 | Skratz0r | says hi |
| 10:52.07 | themill | visik7: none that I know of, but this will give you a pretty good idea: http://rafb.net/p/4pneJT18.html |
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| 10:52.41 | INternat | any idea why there are no nvidia drivers currently in testing? |
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| 10:52.50 | themill | !tell INternat about nvidia |
| 10:53.03 | themill | INternat: check the wiki page |
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| 10:53.19 | INternat | ok |
| 10:53.20 | INternat | thanks! |
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| 11:05.34 | shital | how can i install kdm with CD through console? |
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| 11:05.48 | moshii | shital: aptitude install kdm |
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| 11:07.43 | shital | its doing nothing, after checking data base simply exiting |
| 11:08.27 | moshii | shital: sure it doesnt say the package is already installed... or doesnt exist> |
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| 11:09.16 | battlemidget | what package is the compiz configuration manager in now? |
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| 11:09.38 | moshii | battlemidget: apt-cache search compiz |
| 11:09.38 | Skitz | i need to download debian, was wondering if anyone recommended a site in particular to download it from, any suggestions? (or just the official site??) |
| 11:09.59 | vizzy | themill, sorry had a phone call, yes, printing from other machines works fine, i also can telnet to the port form my machine, no restrictions, simple setup without firewall etc: Connected to 192.168.10.15. |
| 11:10.02 | moshii | Skitz: debian.org will give you links to mirrors in your region of the globe.. |
| 11:10.10 | Skitz | ah cool |
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| 11:10.42 | moshii | Skitz: there are also torrents,.. which are seriously nippy |
| 11:10.47 | battlemidget | moshii: yea none of those provide the configuration panel |
| 11:10.47 | themill | vizzy: most odd then. |
| 11:10.55 | themill | !tell Skitz about mirrors |
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| 11:11.36 | moshii | battlemidget: I have compizconfig-settings-manager here.. |
| 11:11.42 | battlemidget | oh |
| 11:11.43 | battlemidget | haha |
| 11:11.48 | battlemidget | how did i miss that |
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| 11:12.20 | vizzy | themill, the cupy webadmin also says: Druckerstatus: frei, Aufträge akzeptieren, publiziert. (pah, german... means: printer: free, accepting jobs, public) |
| 11:12.28 | moshii | battlemidget: might not be in the repos you have configured. Hence I said apt-cache, not just the package name :) |
| 11:12.38 | themill | vizzy: and what happens when you try to print? |
| 11:12.39 | battlemidget | moshii: cool thanks! : ) |
| 11:12.42 | themill | vizzy: It's always worth turning up the verbosity of output from cups in these situations and then looking at the logs. |
| 11:13.04 | shital | m installing ubuntu-6.06 with Live CD, how can i select and install the packages? |
| 11:13.17 | themill | shital: ask in #ubuntu |
| 11:13.20 | vizzy | themill, it doesnt print then, only job is added, printer is active, i re-activeted several times, restarted jobs, but it sodent print and lpq says its offline |
| 11:13.27 | shital | ok |
| 11:13.27 | vizzy | its only queing jobs. |
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| 11:14.19 | themill | vizzy: it sounds like you have two different print systems fighting over the printer here... lpq and the web interface shouldn't contradict each other. |
| 11:14.22 | vizzy | how to turn on debuigging in cups? the webadmin wont let me do that |
| 11:14.27 | moshii | maybe THIS IS NOT #ubuntu needs to go further up in the topic.. |
| 11:14.53 | vizzy | themill, maybe i use the wrong command to get the queue, whats the cups way? |
| 11:15.31 | vizzy | ouch, cupsdconf need x server? |
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| 11:15.56 | themill | vizzy: lpq should be fine, as long as it's lpq from cups, I guess. cupsys-bsd, lpr and lprng all provide /usr/bin/lpq |
| 11:16.19 | vizzy | themill, so, i used default etch install, i guess its only cups i have |
| 11:16.41 | themill | vizzy: cups config is /etc/cups/cupsd.conf. Change "LogLevel warning" to "LogLevel debug" |
| 11:17.00 | vizzy | can i configure cups via commandline? ah ok, so editing the conf directly |
| 11:17.03 | vizzy | let me test |
| 11:17.10 | themill | vizzy: check what you have installed with dpkg -l packagename or apt-cache policy packagename |
| 11:18.07 | battlemidget | moshii: what about emerald? |
| 11:18.42 | moshii | battlemidget: not sure. I dont use compiz anymore ;) |
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| 11:19.49 | vizzy | loglevel is already set to debug :) so watching the cups logs i only get webadmin errors, like images not found.... tail -f /var/log/cups/*_log |
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| 11:20.32 | themill | vizzy: try emptying the document queue, restarting cups and then printing a document. |
| 11:21.03 | vizzy | wait.... the printer does something.... |
| 11:21.37 | vizzy | hahaha, lol, the queued documents dont get printed, but the testpage i ordfered via webadmin will come out |
| 11:21.42 | vizzy | he? |
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| 11:23.12 | vizzy | lpq still says not ready, and other jobs wont get printed, restarting them several times. deleting the queue means i loose some printouts, hmmmm |
| 11:24.33 | vizzy | ok, i deleted queue, and print a simple doc, its not printed |
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| 11:25.54 | INternat | so i have a wierd issue that i THINK is related to gdm. If i startx as root, the display loads and everything runs fine. If i use gdm or even kdm and then login, all my fonts are fubar.. everything is like massive, yet KDE reports the resolution is fine |
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| 11:26.48 | vizzy | themill, is there any other log than the weblog of cups? |
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| 11:31.13 | visik7 | themill: I forgot to thank you for the tip :) |
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| 11:34.16 | lyakh | can anyone tell me, if it is standard / default under Lenny now to get "Login incorrect" _immediately_ whet trying to log in with an invalid user name? |
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| 11:35.10 | liable | why wouldn't it be immediate? |
| 11:35.24 | lyakh | it _must not_ be immediate |
| 11:35.32 | lyakh | 1. DoS, second security |
| 11:35.38 | liable | true |
| 11:36.04 | lyakh | and it must not tell "login incorrect", instead, ask for password, and then just fail |
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| 11:36.23 | themill | visik7: no worries. That grep tail awk could probably be replaced with just an awk by someone sufficiently skilled in awkness... |
| 11:36.24 | lyakh | just like with an invalid password |
| 11:37.08 | liable | it returns immediately on my box |
| 11:37.22 | visik7 | themill: I was tring to get this result in python but apt-python binding is a little bit confused |
| 11:37.30 | lyakh | liable: lenny too? do you have another distro to compare? |
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| 11:38.06 | themill | vizzy: the logs are mixed, I don't know of a way of separating them. But if you're not looking at the web interface at the time when you print, you only see the printing errors... |
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| 11:38.10 | DexterF | alright. softraid5 array assembles fine when started manually but screws up when run from initrd. any ideas how come? |
| 11:38.43 | lyakh | liable: and you have not played with any ldap magic on your box? |
| 11:39.03 | joltcan | DexterF: you haven't set the right partition type? |
| 11:39.15 | DexterF | joltcan: all 0xfd |
| 11:39.53 | vizzy | themill, then something is wrong with my setup in general. crazy stuff :) i get no logs when printing. thx for your time and great help. for now i will print stuff from another computer. |
| 11:39.53 | DexterF | I should add "screws up" means that the one of 5 disks that sits on a differetn controller is kicked from the array |
| 11:40.08 | joltcan | DexterF: sweet. then I have no clue. can you add some additional echo's to the init script so you see if it gets run or not? |
| 11:40.39 | joltcan | DexterF: ah. then I guess that is an issue when that card is detected |
| 11:40.54 | DexterF | 4 disks on sata_sil (Sil3114), one on the board's nvidia ports (sata_nv), same situation with the 5th disk on yet another sil3114 in a PCI slot, too |
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| 11:41.16 | liable | lyakh: sid box, and nope, i havent toughed that sort of stuff |
| 11:41.17 | DexterF | joltcan: but how? I was told the initrd has the same modules as the kernel |
| 11:41.19 | themill | vizzy: double check what print systems you have installed. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with printing under etch.... I do it all the time. |
| 11:41.20 | joltcan | DexterF: ..but I have no idea about how to solve it. perhaps you can change the order of when the modules are loaded or something lite that |
| 11:41.47 | joltcan | DexterF: no idea, initrd is magic for me |
| 11:41.54 | DexterF | joltcan: well since I don't need to boot from that array I can simply run from the init scripts instead of from initrd |
| 11:42.15 | lyakh | liable: if it is running, could you try there too? although, I'd expect sid to be more like lenny, than like etch... |
| 11:42.16 | DexterF | joltcan: same here - been on slackware for years, initwhat? custom kernel ftw ;) |
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| 11:42.39 | liable | lyakh: if whats running |
| 11:42.41 | joltcan | DexterF: yeah, but it is ugly with workarounds when it must be fixable in some way |
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| 11:42.50 | lyakh | liable: your sid box |
| 11:43.03 | joltcan | DexterF: compiling kernel ftl |
| 11:43.03 | liable | lyakh: thats what i tried it on :) |
| 11:43.20 | joltcan | well, im off to my train, so good luck |
| 11:43.35 | vizzy | themill, yes, i also printed with etch without problems, seems cups got weird. maybe i will reinstall printers or something like that. i checked another etch install on my girlfriends computer and it prints. so its a local problem. maybe got some mixup in the printsystem.... |
| 11:43.44 | DexterF | joltcan: well at least it's to your liking then... |
| 11:43.44 | lyakh | well, this looks _extremely_ bad to me:-( |
| 11:43.59 | vizzy | remembers: in 9% of all 'errors' and 'bugs', the bug is in front of the screen :)) |
| 11:44.03 | vizzy | 99%! |
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| 11:44.24 | Skitz | can you install debian and run it by just installing the first DVD? (because i only have 10GB bandwidth, so i can't download them all) |
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| 11:46.18 | vizzy | Skitz, if you need to download the dvd iso, you may download more than a netinstall would take to download... sry f.my bad english |
| 11:46.29 | liable | dpkg: sort by package size is <reply> to see a list of installed packages by installed size install dctrl-tools and run 'grep-status -FStatus -sInstalled-Size,Package -n "install ok installed" | paste -sd " \n" | sort -n' |
| 11:46.29 | dpkg | liable: okay |
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| 11:46.44 | extor | LONDON: Another peril can be added to the hazards of the innocent-looking computer keyboard. Not content with encouraging repetitive strain injury, the type-pads sometimes harbour more filth than the average lavatory seat and house millions of bacteria which can cause diarrhoea and vomiting, a study has shown. |
| 11:46.47 | extor | A microbiologist carrying out research published on Thursday for Which? Computing magazine examined samples from 33 keyboards and found a variety of bugs including E coli and S aureus, which can cause skin infections and make people ill. |
| 11:46.51 | extor | The scientist swabbed a lavatory seat and a toilet door handle in a typical London office for comparison. One of the keyboards in the experiment had to be removed from the office because it was five times dirtier than the lavatory seat and home to 150 times the acceptable limit of bacteria. |
| 11:47.38 | liable | !ops extor thinks he is writing spam emails.. |
| 11:47.38 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: extor thinks he is writing spam emails.. |
| 11:48.10 | extor | wtf |
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| 11:48.20 | orveldv | yeah, wtf |
| 11:48.20 | extor | This RELATES to computers |
| 11:48.25 | vizzy | wrong channel? :) |
| 11:48.29 | wasyny1 | i need help with debain stable, my apt-get system is locked up because failed kernel update, it just gives me error about package not installed and doesnt allow me to do anything |
| 11:48.51 | streuner | extor: dont spam us, we support Debian |
| 11:48.55 | vizzy | extor, at least you should better post an url to the source of what you want people to know.... |
| 11:49.07 | vizzy | if its not OT :) |
| 11:49.08 | extor | akhhh never mind |
| 11:49.39 | wasyny1 | *debian |
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| 11:51.49 | vizzy | extor, but, ... my dirty keyboard gives a natural ballance to all the desinfection chemicals used on most toilets :) |
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| 11:52.24 | extor | hmmm |
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| 11:52.52 | liable | bugs are goos for your immunity |
| 11:52.59 | liable | s/goos/good/ |
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| 11:53.47 | Optic | moooos |
| 11:54.41 | liable | !moo |
| 11:54.41 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 11:55.19 | liable | hm, the aplay bit at the end kinda spoils that factoid |
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| 11:55.40 | agnur | hello,all! |
| 11:55.59 | orveldv | yeah it should be in () or smth |
| 11:56.54 | liable | themill: you did it! |
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| 11:57.06 | Germanaz0 | hi all |
| 11:57.09 | Germanaz0 | I got a litle proble |
| 11:57.11 | Germanaz0 | problem :S |
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| 11:57.49 | Germanaz0 | someone can help me ? |
| 11:57.54 | Germanaz0 | El resultado de xprop -root | grep XKB |
| 11:57.54 | Germanaz0 | - El resultado de gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd I have that |
| 11:58.08 | Germanaz0 | when I start the X |
| 12:00.46 | liable | where is the error? whats the problem? |
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| 12:02.09 | Germanaz0 | when I start the X |
| 12:02.13 | Germanaz0 | that message appear |
| 12:02.36 | Germanaz0 | xprop -root | grep XKB |
| 12:02.36 | Germanaz0 | - ----------------- gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd |
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| 12:02.38 | larstr | hi.. what's the easiest method for installing libnetaddr-ip-perl (NetAddr::IP) version 4 or newer on Debian 4.0? |
| 12:03.20 | jabka | how can i get scancodes from laptop (Lenny) |
| 12:03.38 | format_c | larstr, perl -MCPAN -eshell |
| 12:03.47 | larstr | format_c: yes, I've tried that |
| 12:03.51 | format_c | but? |
| 12:04.31 | streuner | hm |
| 12:04.57 | liable | streuner: forgive me, i seem to ask this every six months or so, how do you see a ban list for a channel? |
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| 12:06.18 | streuner | liable: in irssi? /ban #<channel> |
| 12:06.32 | liable | danke |
| 12:07.08 | larstr | format_c: hmm.. sorry, the package that dies on me is Mail::SPF |
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| 12:08.03 | format_c | ah ok so ploblems with compiling that perl module? |
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| 12:08.29 | larstr | format_c: yes |
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| 12:14.44 | larstr | format_c: http://pastebin.com/m5057d2c5 |
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| 12:17.19 | lord_rob | Hi ! I'm using french encoding ISO8859-1 and running current Sid since before Sarge was stable. And I suspect Debian switched to UTF-8 because I see two symbols for every accentuated characters (é,è,à,...). How could I fix that problem ? |
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| 12:19.51 | Mark76 | My network connection isn't working in Debian :( |
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| 12:20.07 | larstr | Mark76: changed nic lately? (or mac address) |
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| 12:20.18 | Mark76 | nic? |
| 12:20.25 | larstr | network interface card |
| 12:20.30 | Mark76 | Nope |
| 12:20.35 | Mark76 | Just didtros |
| 12:20.39 | Mark76 | distros |
| 12:20.48 | Mark76 | I'm on a live CD at the moment |
| 12:21.02 | Mark76 | But I have Debian on the HD |
| 12:21.14 | Mark76 | mac? |
| 12:21.16 | format_c | larstr, I have no probs on my Debian 4.0 to build Mail::SPF with CPAN |
| 12:21.17 | format_c | http://paste.debian.net/2029/ |
| 12:21.37 | format_c | larstr, CPAN maybe misconfigured? |
| 12:21.53 | Mark76 | BRB |
| 12:22.47 | larstr | format_c: hmm.. I accepted all defaults when setting up CPAN |
| 12:23.00 | larstr | (except choosing locations near me) |
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| 12:23.29 | ffm_ | what's the magic dance to get a deb package into debian? |
| 12:23.53 | format_c | larstr, I changed from asked to follow on the dependency point |
| 12:24.02 | azeem | ffm_: 1. package it, 2. file an ITP, 3. get it sponsored |
| 12:24.18 | ffm_ | azeem: How do I do 2? 1 is already done. |
| 12:24.19 | lord_rob | Mark76: MAC address : the address of your network card (MAC for machine access code) |
| 12:24.21 | ffm_ | 2 + 3 |
| 12:24.31 | azeem | ffm_: read the new maintainer's guid |
| 12:24.32 | azeem | e |
| 12:24.37 | azeem | it should be in there |
| 12:25.44 | larstr | format_c: hmm.. how should that make a difference.. I'm accepting manually any packages that are required... |
| 12:26.37 | format_c | dont know |
| 12:27.14 | larstr | format_c: and you're on etch as well I guess... |
| 12:27.47 | format_c | yes |
| 12:28.39 | Mark76 | I don't think I've changed mac address, rob |
| 12:29.01 | larstr | Mark76: did you nic work before? |
| 12:29.27 | Mark76 | I assume so |
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| 12:29.44 | Mark76 | I installed Debian from the netinst CD |
| 12:29.49 | Mark76 | It worked then |
| 12:30.02 | Mark76 | Although I had to choose eth1 |
| 12:31.13 | larstr | you have several nics? |
| 12:31.21 | Mark76 | I hope not |
| 12:31.26 | Mark76 | How would I know? |
| 12:31.39 | larstr | tried deleting /etc/udev/rules.d/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and rebooted? |
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| 12:31.54 | Mark76 | When I installed Deb it gave me a choice of two |
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| 12:32.13 | Mark76 | NO, lastr. Because that's goobledegok to me |
| 12:32.17 | lord_rob | utf8-migration-tool here it is if anyone interested |
| 12:32.31 | brimstone | i got a weird error, my mouse clicks too fast, it tidn't in ubuntu with the same xorg.conf anyone have any ideas |
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| 12:32.36 | lord_rob | I've found the solution |
| 12:32.46 | larstr | lord_rob: where? |
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| 12:33.46 | Mark76 | It wouldn't even have occurred to me to do that |
| 12:34.05 | Mark76 | I'll try it now |
| 12:34.15 | Mark76 | BIAB. No doubt |
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| 12:35.43 | Phil4 | is security.debian.org down for anyone else? |
| 12:35.49 | brimstone | n/m found it, had to make my mouse a corepointer |
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| 12:35.54 | Phil4 | oh, works again now |
| 12:36.41 | ffm_ | Hey, do I have to disclose my real name to get a package into debian? |
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| 12:38.50 | liable | ffm_: i dont know if thats needed, but I ould imagine you would have trouble getting someone to sponsor it otherwise. why is that a problem? |
| 12:39.09 | lord_rob | larstr: fixing the characters problems with french in aptitude for example because debian changed its encoding to UTF8 |
| 12:39.50 | liable | ffm_: #debian-mentors on oftc would be a more helpfull channel in that regard |
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| 12:41.27 | ffm_ | liable: I'm a minor, and my parents don't want my name on the interwebs. |
| 12:41.28 | Meaw | hello, im installing some package... but php5 keep comes with it.. is it possible to stop php5? coz i need php4 only |
| 12:41.31 | tolecnal | ffm_: if you have problems disclosing your real name, people automatically would assume you have something to hide, and thus want to take distance from any responsability that may arise from your package. As a possible sponsor, I would not accept such a request without knowing the real name of the person in question. |
| 12:41.33 | lord_rob | larstr: but actually no I did not fix the problem :( |
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| 12:42.19 | liable | ffm_: fair call, i suggest go asking on the channel i mentioned. |
| 12:42.29 | gordboy | will you please forgive me. i took the name of debian in vain, and eschewed the Right and Proper Way for a mongrel "distro" that rightfully belongs in the dustbin of history. i hereby publicly renounce the evil (yes) usurpers that twisted my foolish, impressionable mind and led me astray. i am talking about ubuntu |
| 12:43.09 | liable | say thirty hail maries and send me 15 cases of beer and all will be forgiven. |
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| 12:44.02 | ffm_ | Sorry, what was that oftc channel's name again? |
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| 12:44.12 | liable | #debian-mentors |
| 12:44.18 | liable | it has a mailing list too |
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| 12:48.01 | Meaw | hello, im installing some package... but php5 keep comes with it.. is it possible to stop php5? coz i need php4 only |
| 12:48.24 | abrotman | which packages? |
| 12:48.38 | Meaw | freeradius-dialupadmin |
| 12:48.48 | gordboy | Meaw: as long as php5 doesn't interfere with your php4, it shouldn't matter |
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| 12:50.00 | ronr | is it possible to restrict the number of connections an IP can have to my server with iptables? |
| 12:50.30 | abrotman | !depends freeradius-dailupadmin etch |
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| 12:50.56 | abrotman | !tell ronr about iptables |
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| 12:51.07 | abrotman | Meaw: that package isn't in etch |
| 12:51.13 | Meaw | gordboy, yeah but everytime i install freeradius-dialupadmin it removes libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 12:51.19 | Meaw | i want libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 12:51.51 | Meaw | it replace it with libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 12:51.54 | mhymn | abrotman: I can see that package in etch and it depends on php4 only |
| 12:52.04 | abrotman | the bot doesn't know about it |
| 12:52.08 | abrotman | or he named it wrong |
| 12:52.15 | ronr | crawls into a corner shamefully for not rtfm-ing. |
| 12:52.33 | abrotman | ronr: that was more to point you at #iptables |
| 12:52.44 | abrotman | okay .. bot is broken .. or i can't spell :( |
| 12:52.53 | abrotman | Meaw: which version of debian |
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| 12:53.01 | ronr | abrotman: no one talking there... but I checked the manpage and found it in seconds :) |
| 12:53.08 | abrotman | ronr: ah ok |
| 12:53.28 | gordboy | Meaw: not sure then. but i'm not the guy to ask. i've been away for a year, chasing an illusory rainbow |
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| 12:54.50 | abrotman | Meaw: which version of debian? |
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| 12:55.53 | abrotman | okay then |
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| 12:56.28 | Meaw | back, sorry i was lagged |
| 12:56.32 | beardy | dpkg: moo |
| 12:56.32 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 12:56.33 | Meaw | im on lenny |
| 12:56.41 | abrotman | Meaw: there is no php4 in lenny anymore |
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| 12:56.48 | abrotman | or it's in the process of being removed |
| 12:56.59 | Meaw | weird |
| 12:57.10 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 12:57.19 | abrotman | i guess it's still there, i thought it was being removed |
| 12:57.26 | abrotman | do you have lenny/testing security apt repos ? |
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| 12:57.46 | the-dude | its still there |
| 12:57.46 | Meaw | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 12:57.59 | the-dude | for apache 1.3 and 2.* |
| 12:58.13 | abrotman | Meaw: that's not a security line |
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| 12:58.35 | Meaw | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 12:58.36 | efaistos | do you know where we can check when a pkg has been installed ? |
| 12:59.07 | halflife08 | efaistos: dpkg -l <packagename> |
| 12:59.38 | efaistos | you dont havethe date |
| 12:59.39 | abrotman | Meaw: yes, that |
| 12:59.46 | Meaw | abrotman, should i have contrib non-free too in the security line? |
| 12:59.52 | abrotman | Meaw: but TBH, you might as well accept fate and move to php5 |
| 13:00.10 | beardy | Meaw: If you have them at all, yes of course. |
| 13:00.22 | Meaw | abrotman, it's not my choice.. dialupadmin seem to be work for php4 not php5 |
| 13:01.00 | larstr | efaistos: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 13:01.31 | efaistos | larstr: dont have that one |
| 13:02.09 | halflife08 | efaistos: what distribution are you running ? |
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| 13:02.55 | Meaw | abrotman, isnt there a way to stop removing the libapache php4 when i install freeradius-dialupadmin? |
| 13:02.56 | efaistos | its an old sarge |
| 13:03.29 | abrotman | !depends freeradius-dialupadmin |
| 13:03.32 | abrotman | !depends freeradius-dialupadmin lenny |
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| 13:03.51 | dpkg | freeradius-dialupadmin: depends on php5 |
| 13:03.57 | dpkg | freeradius-dialupadmin: depends on php5 |
| 13:04.04 | abrotman | not much of a choise |
| 13:04.05 | abrotman | choice |
| 13:04.11 | abrotman | Meaw: did you complete your dist-upgrade? |
| 13:04.19 | Meaw | yes |
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| 13:04.54 | abrotman | Meaw: well, you don't have a choice, the package you want in lenny has php5 as a depends .. if it doesn't work, file bugs, but start by reading the docs |
| 13:05.55 | Meaw | :/ |
| 13:05.57 | abrotman | !ot |
| 13:05.57 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 13:06.09 | abrotman | Meaw: what about it doesn't work? |
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| 13:07.23 | Meaw | abrotman, yeah dialupadmin doesnt work on php5 |
| 13:07.35 | abrotman | !doesnt work |
| 13:07.35 | dpkg | i heard doesnt work is Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:08.09 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/freeradius-dialupadmin |
| 13:08.25 | abrotman | odd .. i don't see a bug titled "totally fails to work" |
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| 13:08.41 | liable | where did !ot come into the picture? |
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| 13:09.15 | abrotman | no reason .. just a message from your friendly neighborhood spiderman |
| 13:09.19 | battlemidget | anyone had any luck with libvirt, virt-manager, and kvm? |
| 13:09.37 | beardy | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 13:09.38 | dpkg | obliterates abrotman with a gallon of CheezWhiz |
| 13:09.43 | battlemidget | ive started libvirtd, and modprobe kvm but virt-manager is failing to connect |
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| 13:12.11 | Meaw | abrotman, so not possible to fix it |
| 13:12.18 | abrotman | it's not broken |
| 13:12.24 | abrotman | you haven't told us how/why it doesn't work .. |
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| 13:12.37 | abrotman | and it depends on PHP5 and it apparently works or there'd be tons of bugs about it |
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| 13:13.15 | liable | Meaw: whats the problem with using php5? |
| 13:13.26 | abrotman | he won't tell us |
| 13:13.49 | liable | we'll have to pry it out of him then. |
| 13:14.00 | abrotman | !pry liable |
| 13:14.02 | Meaw | I just dont know how to explain..but yes.. in php5 when i browse the dialupadmin in browser |
| 13:14.21 | Meaw | i got a request like to download the user_finger.php3 |
| 13:14.25 | Meaw | instead of browsing it |
| 13:14.37 | liable | !php wants me to download still |
| 13:14.37 | dpkg | Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x). |
| 13:14.54 | abrotman | hehe .. and his apache might not be setup for php3 .. might be just .php |
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| 13:14.59 | abrotman | which is very easy to fix |
| 13:15.10 | abrotman | and if that's the case, it's a bug on someone's part |
| 13:15.18 | beardy | Yes. |
| 13:15.47 | Meaw | abrotman, it works fine on other servers, and on this server 2 hours ago..but not after i installed php5 |
| 13:15.58 | icenine | debian packages for nice hex/binary calculator. anyone know of one? (other than gcalctool)? |
| 13:16.13 | abrotman | Meaw: clear your browser cache, restart the browser, see if it still happens |
| 13:16.23 | abrotman | icenine: what's wrong with gcalc? |
| 13:16.26 | Meaw | ok |
| 13:16.45 | icenine | abrotman: nothing I couldn't fix, but I would like to see spaces between bytes and nybbles. |
| 13:16.57 | battlemidget | looks like libvirt isn't setting up the network bridge |
| 13:17.08 | icenine | 0000 0000 is easier to read than 00000000 |
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| 13:18.20 | mark76 | What are the missing numbers from this sequence 12** x 1024 |
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| 13:18.51 | cloakable | mark76: 80 |
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| 13:18.56 | cloakable | :P |
| 13:18.57 | mark76 | Ta |
| 13:19.11 | mark76 | There's no screens and graphics app in Debian |
| 13:19.14 | cloakable | It's the resolution both of my monitors are in |
| 13:19.33 | abrotman | there's no what? |
| 13:19.38 | mark76 | MIne should be in 1280 x 1024 |
| 13:19.46 | mark76 | See |
| 13:19.52 | cloakable | eh, xorg.conf is pretty straightforward |
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| 13:20.28 | mark76 | I know. |
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| 13:20.51 | mark76 | But it was so convenient being able to adjust the resolution from a gui |
| 13:21.01 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 13:21.01 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. If you've modified your xorg.conf yourself, ask me about <xmd5sum>. |
| 13:22.28 | cloakable | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure is useless for Xinerama :P |
| 13:23.11 | mark76 | brb |
| 13:23.18 | abrotman | he didn't mention xinerama did he? |
| 13:23.23 | mark76 | Nope |
| 13:23.38 | mark76 | What's that? |
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| 13:27.04 | DexterF | what do the scripts in /usr/share/bugs do? generate reports? |
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| 13:28.09 | outlaw84 | so was there an update of a major lib recently? I did a dist-upgrade on my AMD64 unstable och apt throw out most of my system... |
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| 13:28.47 | abrotman | outlaw84: yes, perl and python have both been getting upgraded. You're running unstable, you should already know this. |
| 13:29.53 | outlaw84 | abrotman: so like are these major update done for now or are there more planned in the closes future? |
| 13:30.02 | battlemidget | anyone running virtualization? |
| 13:30.42 | abrotman | outlaw84: you need to subscribe to the mailing lists. I'm not going to notify you of each one that is coming |
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| 13:31.47 | crazyfrog | i connect to the Internet through pppoe (interface is ppp0 .ppp0 and eth0 are on the same card),if i set up a filewall,what interface should i use? |
| 13:31.52 | outlaw84 | abrotman: Could you tell me for this time? :) |
| 13:32.40 | outlaw84 | I am mostly wondering if I should fix my instrallation now or wait a while untils things settle :) |
| 13:32.59 | abrotman | outlaw84: lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/ |
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| 13:33.48 | abrotman | outlaw84: or stop running unstable, you apparently aren't capable |
| 13:34.07 | Meaw | seems the php5 who cases a problem not the freeradius-dialupadmin |
| 13:34.58 | idimmu | i am running virtualization battlemidget |
| 13:35.38 | mark76 | test |
| 13:35.41 | mark76 | Am I still here? |
| 13:35.46 | idimmu | test failed |
| 13:36.07 | larstr | outlaw84: Sid was the kid who broke the other toys. You can't really expect that unstable (Sid) is reliable either. |
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| 13:36.20 | larstr | mark76: seems so |
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| 13:36.27 | jabka | how should i remove a kernel module that i compile or is other option then manualy deleting it ? |
| 13:36.33 | outlaw84 | abrotman: I like having the latest stuff and I know that it means that the installation breaks from time to time. Also I can fix it/wait |
| 13:36.50 | idimmu | are you actually fixing it tho |
| 13:36.53 | mark76 | Damn it |
| 13:36.55 | idimmu | or are you on irc telling everyone about it? |
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| 13:37.06 | outlaw84 | abrotman: well, thanks for the link, I have subcribed now.... |
| 13:37.10 | mark76 | I cant install rox term without dbus1 |
| 13:37.20 | abrotman | outlaw84: then don't come here asking about things that are very public knowledge and have been known to be coming for months |
| 13:37.27 | mark76 | And if I install dbus1 I can't connect to the internet :( |
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| 13:39.34 | mark76 | That sucks :( |
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| 13:40.27 | battlemidget | idimmu: is libvirt creating routes for you? |
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| 13:40.54 | idimmu | oh im not using libvert |
| 13:41.07 | battlemidget | ok |
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| 13:42.56 | crazyfrog | i connect to the Internet through pppoe (interface is ppp0 .ppp0 and eth0 are on the same card),if i set up a filewall,what interface should i use? |
| 13:43.25 | abrotman | whichever has the externally routable IP |
| 13:43.35 | outlaw84 | abrotman: why so grumpy? |
| 13:43.53 | themill | liable: did what? |
| 13:43.55 | abrotman | outlaw84: because you're an unstable user that has no business running unstable |
| 13:44.02 | abrotman | outlaw84: and i'm not grumpy |
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| 13:44.22 | abrotman | outlaw84: if i were grumpy, i'd have told you that's what you get for running unstable .. tough shit/out of luck |
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| 13:44.53 | outlaw84 | abrotman: okey, you got a point :) but still |
| 13:44.59 | liable | themill: added the aplay bit to moo! ? |
| 13:45.19 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 13:45.19 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 13:46.15 | outlaw84 | Sid is gething the latest stuff, which occasionaly breaks your system |
| 13:46.17 | themill | liable: umm.... maybe. I do have alias moo="aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav" which I use as a speaker test much to the concern of mrs themill and the bemusement of my colleagues ... |
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| 13:47.00 | outlaw84 | An I am all okey with that, I just not into reading lists and stuff. So i came here to get basic info about what happened |
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| 13:47.16 | DawnLight | how do i specify the default file mode in which files that a user makes get created? |
| 13:47.20 | dj-death_ | is someone familiar with cross compilation ? |
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| 13:47.35 | dj-death_ | I would like to cross compile for sh4 |
| 13:47.48 | Optic | nose |
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| 13:48.50 | dj-death_ | I'm looking for a complete guide to build a cross compilation environment without any package for sh4 |
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| 13:49.25 | liable | themill: heh, I could imagine that would be considered odd by some :) |
| 13:49.25 | abrotman | outlaw84: hence, you shouldn't be running sid |
| 13:50.25 | DawnLight | anyone? |
| 13:50.41 | battlemidget | DawnLight: umask |
| 13:50.59 | DawnLight | thanks |
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| 13:51.40 | expose | given I install A which depends on A_dep1 and A_dep2, where in turn A_dep1 depends on X. In case this dependency tree changes and A_dep1 doesnt need X anymore it will be uninstalled the next time i run aptitude full-upgrade, right? |
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| 13:52.01 | abrotman | yes |
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| 13:53.03 | expose | Good - so "aptitude full-upgrade" takes all manually installed packages, and creates a global dependency tree, uninstalls what's not needed anymore and installs what's missing? |
| 13:53.15 | abrotman | if they are auto-installed |
| 13:53.17 | expose | So, it does not plainly upgrade? |
| 13:53.23 | expose | Okay |
| 13:53.42 | expose | Then why do some dependencies get pulled in as manually-installed? |
| 13:53.45 | abrotman | if you let aptitude install packages and they're marked auto, if nothing depends/recommends them, they'll get removed |
| 13:53.54 | abrotman | because you explicitly installed them IIRC |
| 13:54.23 | expose | No. Aptitude installs some things as "Automatic: No" although they are dependencies |
| 13:54.24 | abrotman | aptitude has a huge manual if you'd like to read it |
| 13:54.40 | manu_hack | hi, if my machine changes itself to read-only file system, is that a sign of being hacked of hard disk failure? it already happened twice in 2 weeks |
| 13:54.52 | Cromag | im having trouble installing request-tracker 3.8. I believe i need help to edit my apache config to use a specific module. Can someone point me in the right direction ? :) |
| 13:55.05 | manu_hack | i mean being hacked or hard disk failure? |
| 13:55.30 | expose | well - my questions is more or less "Does my system after some years of usage end up with alot of garbage pulled in as dependencies which actually noone needs anymore?" |
| 13:55.52 | abrotman | expose: it's not supposed to |
| 13:56.08 | expose | Well, okay then. |
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| 14:00.55 | Phil4 | how can I see a list of installed packages? |
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| 14:01.26 | mimcpher | Phil4: dpkg -i |
| 14:01.32 | mimcpher | IIRC. |
| 14:01.50 | acemi | dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 14:01.51 | dpkg | ii | grep ^ii 3.2-15.2 acemi's private stamp collection |
| 14:02.12 | Phil4 | thanks |
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| 14:02.41 | abrotman | !installed |
| 14:02.41 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
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| 14:03.31 | PiousMinion | When moving files around on the same hard drive... shouldn't it take no more space and be almost instantaneous? |
| 14:03.38 | Meaw | abrotman, im trying to compile rp-pppoe with make i got this error |
| 14:03.40 | Meaw | plugin.c:423: warning: obsolete use of designated initializer with Þ:Þ |
| 14:03.46 | abrotman | why? |
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| 14:03.50 | abrotman | pppoe is already in debian |
| 14:04.10 | Meaw | abrotman, the client.. but im compiling the server |
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| 14:04.52 | abrotman | and that's not an error .. that's a warning |
| 14:05.09 | Meaw | make: *** [plugin/plugin.o] Error 1 |
| 14:05.21 | Meaw | there's 1 error |
| 14:05.50 | abrotman | then ask them, not us |
| 14:05.54 | Meaw | should i compile it in kernel mode or 2.6 supports rp-pppoe already |
| 14:06.19 | crazyfrog | fg |
| 14:06.32 | Quintin | He said they are looking for qualified computer people to be DBAs, SHs and Cog nos and that you would know what those mean. |
| 14:07.07 | Quintin | what's an SH and a Cog nos ? :| |
| 14:07.12 | abrotman | Quintin: this is #debian |
| 14:07.23 | Quintin | abrotman: it is full of computer people |
| 14:07.38 | abrotman | Quintin: ask somewhere else |
| 14:07.45 | Quintin | abrotman: Just say you don't know. :P |
| 14:07.57 | abrotman | !tell Quintin about ot |
| 14:09.04 | liable | be fair, its not that ot.. |
| 14:09.14 | abrotman | it's debian support how? |
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| 14:09.33 | Quintin | You know, I can appreciate what you say. But if you continue your argument to it's logical conclusion, there would be very little chatter in any channel |
| 14:10.09 | liable | like about as debian support is when you and stew talk about baseball? or me and anyone talk about beer? lets not be too anal in that regard. |
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| 14:10.27 | abrotman | liable: you should see the baseball chatter in the OT channel :) |
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| 14:10.37 | azeem | Quintin: haven't you been around before? Your nick looks familiar |
| 14:10.42 | liable | abrotman: it would drive me mad ;) |
| 14:11.06 | abrotman | liable: which is why i tend to keep it mostly there, it would be far too overwhelming here |
| 14:11.09 | abrotman | anyways .. |
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| 14:12.27 | Meaw | abrotman, something is strange, i dont have /etc/modules.conf only /etc/modules and it contains loop only |
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| 14:12.41 | abrotman | Meaw: that's normal, what are you trying to do? |
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| 14:14.21 | Meaw | abrotman, compile rp-pppoe-3.5 |
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| 14:14.55 | abrotman | you need /etc/modules to compile? |
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| 14:15.24 | Meaw | http://wrath.geoweb.ge/pppoe-server.html |
| 14:15.40 | abrotman | jesus .. that's for woody |
| 14:15.44 | abrotman | you're on lenny |
| 14:15.50 | Meaw | abrotman, i just was asking why it's empty, i rememer in 2.4 kernel there was some modules |
| 14:16.09 | abrotman | Last Updated: 30.03.05 |
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| 14:18.06 | Meaw | abrotman, yeah but compiling rp-pppoe in lenny or woody has no deffirence.. its tar.gz package |
| 14:18.18 | abrotman | debian has changed since then |
| 14:19.13 | Meaw | er... so i cant compile such a thing? doing make ... make install is simple |
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| 14:23.25 | realshiva | hi guys, can someone tell me how large the etch main mirror is ? |
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| 14:24.27 | liable | !debstats |
| 14:24.27 | dpkg | i guess debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 14:24.34 | liable | bah |
| 14:24.37 | stew | realshiva: including source or not? for every arch (i386, amd64, ppc, sparc...) or just one? |
| 14:24.40 | stew | !dstats |
| 14:24.49 | rij | How do I check if a firewall is running and what it blocks in terminal? |
| 14:25.04 | stew | rij: iptables -L -n |
| 14:25.08 | drake23 | depends on what kind of fireall you are using |
| 14:25.12 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on sid... 23138 packages, 1922 maintainers, 60316 MB installed size, 21150 MB compressed size. |
| 14:25.22 | realshiva | okaya thx |
| 14:25.23 | Phil4 | rij, iptables -nvL |
| 14:25.36 | stew | realshiva: the above is not including source, and only for i386 |
| 14:25.45 | realshiva | k |
| 14:25.53 | stew | realshiva: and that is for sid, not etch, etch would be a bit smaller |
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| 14:26.08 | LemensTS | can you run init.d and xinetd at the same time? |
| 14:26.31 | Bushmills | LemensTS: pardon? |
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| 14:27.00 | stew | LemensTS: uhh, if you are running xinetd, it would be started from a script in /etc/init.d if that is what you mean. or do you really mean 'xinetd and inetd' |
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| 14:29.44 | LemensTS | stew: init.d is just a directory to hold the scripts right? and xinet.d and inet.d handle these running services right? |
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| 14:30.13 | LemensTS | so i meant xinet.d and inet.d if so |
| 14:30.15 | biopyte | hifi, two little gnome problems here: 1. the virtual desktop displays 4 workspaces in *one* row, though i configured it *two* rows. works fine on my notebook, but on my desktop here, no way. 2. In 'Screen Actions (brightside)', I configured 'switch to next workspace when mouse touches the border'. works fine, but the setting is lost after shutdown, so I have to tweak that over and over again. Any ideas? |
| 14:30.20 | stew | LemensTS: right (but it's xinetd,inetd not xinet.d,inet.d) |
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| 14:30.47 | verblendet | !tell verblendet about bpo |
| 14:30.53 | stew | LemensTS: then not easily, since xinetd conflicts with inet-superserver which both xinetd and openbsd-inetd provide |
| 14:30.55 | verblendet | ah :) |
| 14:30.59 | Bushmills | LemensTS: not really. they are mutually exclusive |
| 14:31.13 | stew | LemensTS: but i don't see much reason you need both, they both do the same thing and both do a perfectly acceptable job at it |
| 14:31.24 | Bushmills | trying to install one will uninstall the other |
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| 14:31.43 | mrfree | hi all |
| 14:31.43 | LemensTS | stew: ok note taken. i was installing nrpe for nagios |
| 14:31.44 | LemensTS | Install the NRPE daemon as a service under xinetd. |
| 14:31.44 | LemensTS | make install-xinetd |
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| 14:32.10 | mrfree | is the etch-backport in packages.debian.org the repo at www.backports.org? |
| 14:32.24 | stew | mrfree: yes |
| 14:32.28 | mrfree | stew, ok thz |
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| 14:34.36 | webtech_m33 | does anyone know when lenny is going to be come stable? |
| 14:34.44 | liable | nope |
| 14:34.56 | liable | !wwlr |
| 14:34.56 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html |
| 14:35.09 | verblendet | ok, installed backports repository. isnt this repo available via synaptic? or how do i get the very new kernel -22 or so installed? i searched backport packages for linux, image, kernel, only the first gives results, but only headerfiles... |
| 14:35.48 | abrotman | verblendet: apt-cache search linux-image |
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| 14:36.46 | pinto3 | did you guys get a kernel/cpio/ upgrade available too? didn't see anything on the website |
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| 14:37.32 | verblendet | abrotman, thx, but it only shows me linux-tree-2.6.18 stuff, i already have that installed, it came with etch, 2.6.18-6 or earlier |
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| 14:38.11 | stew | are we sure its going to be 5.0 and not 4.1? |
| 14:38.12 | abrotman | verblendet: did you run aptitude update ? |
| 14:38.15 | verblendet | i also did aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring |
| 14:38.26 | verblendet | installing keyring failed... but gpg does it, etc |
| 14:38.38 | verblendet | i followed the instructions carefully, i hope |
| 14:39.25 | verblendet | i ran aptitude update etc again, but still no linux image > .18-6 in aptcache |
| 14:40.06 | pinto3 | if you check out the installing docs from backports.org , i think there's a backports directive to install them |
| 14:40.25 | pinto3 | in addition to the repositories |
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| 14:40.55 | verblendet | it says apt-get --someoptions packagename, i search packages for linux and image in packagename, but no success |
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| 14:41.33 | Asad2005 | I have made a raid 5 of 3 disks and will soon expand to 6 (sata 3G), how can i tell if all disk working in 3GB or 1.5 GB i.e. Sata I or II |
| 14:42.03 | pinto3 | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 14:42.12 | pinto3 | probaly use that with apt-cache too |
| 14:42.24 | verblendet | aaah! searching backports org for image fails, but searching for linux-image gives some results, weird... so no fulltext search, you need axact packagename instead.... |
| 14:43.04 | verblendet | but apt-cache seems to have no knowledge of these available files, let me try installing a new kernel.... |
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| 14:44.57 | verblendet | yes it does. but the doc mentions "packagename" , but with " it fails, dont need quotes |
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| 14:46.22 | verblendet | but weird, it install now 2.6.18 for some reason, how can i force it to install from backports? here is my output and command i used: http://pastebin.com/dad63d06 |
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| 14:46.50 | verblendet | and backports has listed: * 2.6.22+11.1~bpo40+2 [backports]: i386 |
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| 14:48.22 | verblendet | pinto3, what do you mean? apt-cache update or - or --update isnt a known command it says |
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| 14:49.59 | _ZeuZ_ | Guys, I'm having a compilation problem I did never had before, this is the output: configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
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| 14:50.12 | stew | !b-e _ZeuZ_ |
| 14:50.12 | dpkg | _ZeuZ_: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 14:51.23 | _ZeuZ_ | Under etch, a dependency problem occurs when I try to do that... |
| 14:51.28 | Skratz0r | Hihi |
| 14:51.32 | stew | _ZeuZ_: show us ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 14:52.27 | _ZeuZ_ | http://pastebin.com/d4882c751 |
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| 14:53.08 | stew | _ZeuZ_: you are running unstable, but are trying to install packages from stable |
| 14:53.20 | Vegar | is it possible to install debian-amd64 from i386? |
| 14:53.38 | _ZeuZ_ | No sir, its etch |
| 14:53.47 | _ZeuZ_ | not even one package from unstable/sid nor lenny |
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| 14:54.12 | stew | _ZeuZ_: compare your installed libc6 package to available versions on http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 14:54.27 | stew | _ZeuZ_: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" return? |
| 14:54.45 | ma3x | what do you guys use as lossy format for your music? |
| 14:54.50 | idimmu | mp3 |
| 14:54.54 | _ZeuZ_ | ServerTodoSoft:~/bwm_tools-0.3.0# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 14:54.55 | _ZeuZ_ | ii libc6 2.7-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 14:54.55 | _ZeuZ_ | ServerTodoSoft:~/bwm_tools-0.3.0# |
| 14:54.56 | idimmu | plays everywhere |
| 14:55.01 | stew | !info libc6 etch |
| 14:55.02 | ma3x | isn't ogg better and smaller? |
| 14:55.02 | _ZeuZ_ | sorry for the small flood |
| 14:55.06 | stew | !info libc6 testing |
| 14:55.13 | karolrvn | ogg provides nice tradeoffs (compression/license/availability) |
| 14:55.14 | idimmu | ogg is for stupid opensource zealots |
| 14:55.19 | idimmu | that dont care about music quality |
| 14:55.21 | idimmu | only licensing |
| 14:55.26 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 (etch), Packaged size: 4592 kB, Installed size: 11036 kB |
| 14:55.29 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-10 (lenny), Packaged size: 4301 kB, Installed size: 10400 kB |
| 14:55.32 | karolrvn | Mp3 seems to have best compression without losing quality |
| 14:55.39 | cahoot | idimmu: as opposed to mp3users? |
| 14:55.39 | stew | idimmu: please don't call people stupid, expecially in a room with hundreds of open source zealots |
| 14:55.49 | azeem | karolrvn: that largely depends on which encoder you use |
| 14:55.49 | karolrvn | :-))) |
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| 14:56.06 | karolrvn | I would vote for ogg |
| 14:56.12 | azeem | usually ogg is considered superiour to mp3 at same file size |
| 14:56.20 | karolrvn | But i am open to other propositions |
| 14:56.31 | _ZeuZ_ | all my package debs say etch, and are from official mirrors, same my issue file, so this is ETCH without doubt, mate... |
| 14:56.37 | karolrvn | azeem: I confirm from my own experience |
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| 14:56.54 | ma3x | azeem: do you use ogg? |
| 14:56.56 | idimmu | do many blind tests? |
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| 14:57.44 | stew | _ZeuZ_: look at what versions of libc6 are shown above, if you only had etch, libc6 would be between 2.3.6.ds1-13 and 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
| 14:57.50 | ma3x | if i only listen music from my computer (don't need it for cd, discman, car...) and I need the smallest size possible and best quality, then I think ogg is best. what do you think? |
| 14:57.51 | fireba11 | karolrvn: flac for lossless though |
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| 14:58.02 | fireba11 | ma3x : yes |
| 14:58.05 | stew | _ZeuZ_: at some point you upgraded to lenny or unstable when 2.7-5 was in lenny or unstable |
| 14:58.06 | _ZeuZ_ | stew: dunno why the versions have gone there... |
| 14:58.21 | idimmu | id go aac ma3x |
| 14:58.29 | rhineheart_m | hello.. in my /etc/hosts I have this one in the second line: local IP domain.com server Is this okay? Do I really need to have the server word? |
| 14:58.32 | idimmu | it has better quality than ogg at hte smaller file size |
| 14:58.38 | _ZeuZ_ | stew: how can I solve it? |
| 14:58.44 | stew | _ZeuZ_: becuase someone upgraded you to testing or unstable at some point. now your options are to move to testing, reinstall, or go though the tedious manual process of tryihng to downgrade |
| 14:58.47 | fireba11 | idimmu: nope, also it got patents on the format .. |
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| 14:59.08 | idimmu | fireba11: licensing zealot |
| 14:59.19 | _ZeuZ_ | stew, dist-upgrade? |
| 14:59.24 | idimmu | i thought we were discussing size/quality rather than licensing |
| 14:59.27 | ffm_ | Is it a bad idea to install a "unstable" package onto a lenny system? (It is a python library, and the dependancies are met) |
| 14:59.32 | stew | _ZeuZ_: i don't understand the question |
| 14:59.38 | idimmu | if the licensing is the issue, ogg wins, lets move on |
| 14:59.42 | ma3x | does oggenc use both cpus? or how would i get it to use both? |
| 14:59.47 | _ZeuZ_ | I think I may have to compile here and then install it there... how can I compile from an amd64 for a i686 system? |
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| 14:59.48 | ma3x | launch 2 processes? |
| 14:59.54 | fireba11 | idimmu : i don't like proprietary stuff .. that's why i use debian after all |
| 15:00.28 | idimmu | i use the best available, which is why i use debian :) |
| 15:00.45 | ma3x | stew: i know you're the master of shell scripting - how do i specify all filesnames starting from 01 to 05 |
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| 15:01.57 | ma3x | or how do i tell oggenc to use 2 cpus or 2 processes instead of 1 only? |
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| 15:02.12 | stew | ma3x: *0[1-5] |
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| 15:02.26 | stew | ma3x: you'd probably have to rewrite oggenc to be multithreaded |
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| 15:02.49 | rhineheart_m | what made me to ask actually is that.. with the settings I mentioned above....the sender of my email is with username@server.domain.com |
| 15:02.52 | ma3x | stew: ERROR: Cannot open input file "*0[1-4]": No such file or directory |
| 15:03.00 | ma3x | stew: i did oggenc -*0[1-4] |
| 15:03.04 | ma3x | sorry without the - |
| 15:03.26 | hoxu | ma3x, add '*'... and learn to use the wildcards |
| 15:03.30 | cahoot | no suffix? |
| 15:03.55 | stew | ma3x: what is a filename that you would expect that to match but didn't? |
| 15:04.07 | stew | ma3x: are the files really named foo01 foo02 foo03, or are the foo01.wav foo02.wav? |
| 15:04.27 | _ZeuZ_ | !how-to create debs for a different architecture |
| 15:04.29 | ma3x | stew: with wav at the end |
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| 15:05.03 | stew | ma3x: then *0[1-4].wav |
| 15:05.25 | Asad2005 | How can i tell if disks working in 3GB or 1.5 GB i.e. Sata I or II |
| 15:05.32 | ma3x | stew: ERROR: Cannot open input file "*0[1-4].wav": No such file or directory |
| 15:05.57 | _ZeuZ_ | anyone can point me on how to create deb files for another architecture different than mine? |
| 15:06.11 | _ZeuZ_ | i.e: from amd64 to i386 |
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| 15:06.44 | karolrvn | _ZeuZ_: "cross compilation" (just a "keyword" to help you) |
| 15:07.19 | hoxu | ma3x, man bash, search for "Pattern Matching" and read that section |
| 15:07.22 | karolrvn | _ZeuZ_: it would be perhaps easier to try hardware virtualization |
| 15:07.25 | _ZeuZ_ | karolrvn, dpkg nows nothing... |
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| 15:07.38 | karolrvn | _ZeuZ_: nows? |
| 15:07.38 | _ZeuZ_ | karolrvn, it cannot be done here now. |
| 15:07.39 | ma3x | hoxu: i can't understand that, i'd need 2 years to learn it properly |
| 15:07.48 | _ZeuZ_ | s/nows/knows/ |
| 15:07.53 | karolrvn | ok |
| 15:08.11 | hoxu | ma3x, sheesh, please don't expect us to fly over to you and hold your hands while you type each and every command every day |
| 15:08.21 | hoxu | ma3x, you have to be willing to learn, otherwise we can't help you |
| 15:08.36 | ma3x | hoxu: well why didn't you tell me what to type that works! |
| 15:08.41 | abrotman | why don't you learn |
| 15:08.58 | ma3x | oggenc -q 5 '*[1-4].wav' |
| 15:08.58 | ma3x | ERROR: Cannot open input file "*[1-4].wav": No such file or directory |
| 15:08.59 | hoxu | ma3x, read the bloody manual section I told you to, it's all in there |
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| 15:09.03 | chops | ma3x: Because then the next time you had a problem, you'd come here and ask him to tell you what to type again :-) |
| 15:09.07 | hoxu | !troll gong |
| 15:09.07 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
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| 15:09.14 | ma3x | i don't have so many problems |
| 15:09.18 | abrotman | HAHAH |
| 15:09.23 | hoxu | AHAHAHAHA |
| 15:09.27 | stew | ma3x: what is the name of a file you are trying to match? |
| 15:09.43 | ma3x | stew: 01.I Allegro C-dur KV 299.wav then 02.II Andantino C-dur KV 299.wav ....... |
| 15:09.50 | stew | ma3x: oh, if you put that pattern in single quotes your shell wont' try to expand it |
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| 15:09.56 | stew | ma3x: remove the single quotes |
| 15:10.08 | ma3x | thanks! |
| 15:10.44 | stew | ma3x: with those quotes, you are telling your shell to ignore them, and are then telling oggenc to open a file that is actually named '*[1-4].wav' |
| 15:10.58 | stew | ^to ignore them^to ignore the pattern |
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| 15:11.16 | hoxu | Got to love people who refuse to read documentation sections even when directly pointed to them, instead insisting to have someone type the contents to them... |
| 15:11.21 | chops | ma3x: *[1-4].wav doesn't match that filename. *299.wav would match that filename. |
| 15:11.48 | ma3x | stew: i was trying *0[1-4].wav before |
| 15:11.53 | ma3x | i don't know why that 0 was in front |
| 15:12.03 | hoxu | ma3x, "* Matches any string, including the null string. ? Matches any single character. [...] Matches any one of the enclosed characters." |
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| 15:12.25 | idimmu | why not just do .. for u in `ls *.wav` ; do somestuff here with $u ; done ? |
| 15:12.38 | idimmu | oh |
| 15:12.43 | idimmu | cos of escaping spaces and funny chars |
| 15:12.44 | stew | ma3x: you said "from 01 to 05" so i originally said (or meant to say) "*0[1-5]" would would match *01 *02 *03 *04 *05. "....299.wav" would not be matched |
| 15:12.56 | hoxu | idimmu, uh, what's that ls doing there? And you don't want to use for when your command accepts multiple files... |
| 15:13.09 | stew | ma3x: if you want to match range of numbers in order, i'd use *<0-299>.wav; but i think that only works in zsh, not bash |
| 15:13.27 | ma3x | stew: strange but oggenc -q 5 *[5-9].wav processed 1-3 |
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| 15:13.36 | idimmu | well assuming he's encoding to oggs he could just do one at a time |
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| 15:13.48 | idimmu | unless he's going to replaygain them or something |
| 15:13.54 | ma3x | stew: can i specify somehow to match the first number (the first few chars of the filename) |
| 15:13.57 | hoxu | I think this one is a lost cause |
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| 15:14.09 | idimmu | ya |
| 15:14.12 | chops | ma3x: oggenc -q 5 0[1-5]*.wav |
| 15:14.15 | hoxu | ma3x, did you just read what I copy-pasted to you from the manual? |
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| 15:14.35 | ma3x | hoxu: about the wildcard? |
| 15:14.44 | ma3x | hoxu: but that's for all filesnames * |
| 15:14.57 | chops | ma3x: You really should just learn how to do this, though; there are a lot of tutorials on the web that explain how to match filenames in bash. |
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| 15:15.24 | dA78 | hello all, knows someone about the zinio reader or the application/x-zinio plugin for firefox/iceweasel? |
| 15:15.30 | crazyfrog | when i play music ,sometimes the player would crash and repeat the sound at that point.what problem it should be? |
| 15:15.47 | ma3x | hoxu: I want one process (command) to specify filenames 01-04 (but not to read the numbers from the whole filename - only from the first 3 numbers of the filename) |
| 15:15.53 | hoxu | dA78, /msg dpkg anyone |
| 15:16.17 | chops | ma3x: You don't seem to be listening to me, so I'm going to stop telling you the answers to the questions you're asking. Best of luck. |
| 15:16.36 | hoxu | hugs chops |
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| 15:16.50 | ma3x | chops: you said *299 would match the filename |
| 15:17.09 | stew | ma3x: but 01-04 is only two numbers, so what do you mean by 'only from the first 3 numbers'? |
| 15:17.10 | ma3x | chops: but how can I match it with the beginning of the filename 01? |
| 15:17.17 | stew | ma3x: 01* |
| 15:17.23 | ma3x | stew: from the first 2 sorry |
| 15:17.38 | stew | ma3x: google for "bash globbing" |
| 15:17.56 | ma3x | oggenc -q 5 01*[1-4].wav |
| 15:17.56 | ma3x | ERROR: Cannot open input file "01*[1-4].wav": No such file or directory |
| 15:18.23 | stew | ma3x: what is a filename that you would expect that to match? |
| 15:18.26 | ma3x | oggenc -q 5 01-04* |
| 15:18.30 | ma3x | ah i found it i think! |
| 15:18.39 | ma3x | sorry not that |
| 15:18.40 | ma3x | oggenc -q 5 [01-04]* |
| 15:18.42 | ma3x | this one works! |
| 15:18.50 | catsup | no |
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| 15:19.00 | ma3x | ah no it doesnt work |
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| 15:19.18 | catsup | you want 0[1-4]* |
| 15:19.40 | dcnoye|out | does aptitude have a history, i want to look to see when and which packages i've installed recently |
| 15:19.47 | chops | dcnoye|out: /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:19.52 | ma3x | right excellent catsup |
| 15:20.06 | dcnoye | thanks chops |
| 15:20.10 | chops | dcnoye: np |
| 15:20.13 | stew | ma3x: you can test these with (for intance) "echo 0[1-4]*" to see if the glob is expanding the way you want |
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| 15:20.43 | ma3x | thanks stew! |
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| 15:21.42 | ma3x | i had these commands written down, but 5 months ago my laptop was stolen and I had no backup exactly of this txt file with all of the commands |
| 15:22.28 | abrotman | my plan has been ruined! |
| 15:22.43 | mimcpher | abrotman: damn them plan-ruiners! |
| 15:22.46 | dcnoye | chops: /var/log/dpkg.Log is empty |
| 15:22.55 | catsup | don't worry abrotman |
| 15:23.03 | catsup | i'm sure you will conquer the world next episode |
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| 15:23.10 | abrotman | i planned for months to steal that laptop, and he still came back :) |
| 15:23.11 | ma3x | what's a usual permission for a music file? -rw-r--r-- is that ok? |
| 15:23.19 | mimcpher | ma3x: yes |
| 15:23.22 | abrotman | actually .. that's not funny . i shouldn't joke |
| 15:24.03 | ma3x | abrotman: it's not at all, it was very painful for me as they stole plenty of other things - up to 4000 EUR damage and plus mentally destroyed me for a few months |
| 15:24.05 | chops | dcnoye: (1) it's /var/log/dpkg.log (2) is it possible you just haven't done dpkg operations in a while? "ls /var/log/dpkg.log*" to look at older versions of the log |
| 15:24.31 | dcnoye | doh, it's in dpkg.log.1 |
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| 15:24.42 | dcnoye | 3 days |
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| 15:25.18 | extor | http://i25.tinypic.com/2uzuofm.png <=-- Can someone explain to me what this "atack" refers to? I did a an 'updatedb' followed by a 'grep atack' and came up with zilch! |
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| 15:26.51 | ma3x | is there any mixer that increases the volume up (software-wise) ? |
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| 15:27.21 | dutchfish | extor, it means there are processes called attack running, to now more you need ps auxww | grep attack |
| 15:27.21 | crazyfrog | if i use "alien file.rpm",how to remove that package? |
| 15:27.26 | chops | extor: If you've got locate (as opposed to slocate) installed, locate won't be terribly good at finding files |
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| 15:27.49 | chops | extor: You can examine a running process to find where its executable is located by looking in /proc/12345 (where 12345 is the process ID) |
| 15:28.09 | dutchfish | chops, or press 'c' in top |
| 15:28.30 | chops | dutchfish: Or that |
| 15:28.34 | extor | debian:/etc# find / -name atack |
| 15:28.34 | extor | /var/tmp/ ....... / . /unixcod/atack |
| 15:28.34 | rcbarnes | If I built a package that has an extra file in it, how do I extract said file from the .deb? Can it be done surgically, or do I have to re-build the package? |
| 15:28.46 | chops | rcbarnes: Best to rebuild the package |
| 15:28.49 | abrotman | wonders the point of having four desktops, if everything is crammed in one |
| 15:29.25 | hoxu | !tell extor about compromise check |
| 15:29.31 | rcbarnes | chops: blast |
| 15:29.46 | dutchfish | abrotman, what about compizz-fusion users like me? |
| 15:29.46 | rcbarnes | I can't figure how it got in there in the first place. |
| 15:29.47 | stew | rcbarnes: you mean you want to recreate the package without the extra file? |
| 15:29.52 | rcbarnes | stew: yeah |
| 15:29.54 | abrotman | dutchfish: and? |
| 15:30.00 | `mac` | i m very HAPPY with my debian system.. LOVE it |
| 15:30.01 | rhineheart_m | btw... is there such thing as internet browser using ssh connection? like doing it remotely as if you're working locally? |
| 15:30.03 | chops | extor: Have you been keeping up with your security updates? |
| 15:30.11 | stew | rcbarnes: you can do this with dpkg-deb |
| 15:30.12 | `mac` | ubuntu sux mannn. shit i was hacked.. |
| 15:30.13 | chops | rhineheart_m: ssh -X, then run firefox |
| 15:30.13 | dutchfish | abrotman, so easy to split certain things among desktops |
| 15:30.21 | chops | rhineheart_m: Or ssh and then run elinks :-) |
| 15:30.27 | rcbarnes | stew: I'm on that man page, but I'm not sure where to start |
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| 15:30.32 | abrotman | dutchfish: it appears he's got 25 apps or so on a single viewport |
| 15:30.37 | `mac` | plus this dumb fucks dude, put this topic on this ubuntu chan, not realilzing they are usind debian kernal.. |
| 15:30.40 | extor | chops this is a fresh install for today! |
| 15:30.42 | dutchfish | abrotman, ouch |
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| 15:30.51 | rhineheart_m | chops, with that... can I then access locally connected devices like the router? |
| 15:30.51 | chops | extor: Who is 'user'? |
| 15:30.58 | `mac` | i told them what was in my mind, they ban me i m like fuck it |
| 15:31.07 | extor | chops no freakin idea! |
| 15:31.18 | chops | extor: You didn't create a user called 'user'? |
| 15:31.25 | dutchfish | !tell `mac` about debianlove |
| 15:31.33 | extor | debian:/etc# w |
| 15:31.33 | extor | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.33 | extor | USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT |
| 15:31.33 | extor | root pts/0 c-24-1-247-223.h Thu09 2.00s 0.22s 0.00s w |
| 15:31.33 | extor | user pts/2 91.201.216.154 18:54 5:11 0.10s 0.10s -bash |
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| 15:32.00 | liable | thats some high load |
| 15:32.04 | rhineheart_m | chops, can you give me a link? |
| 15:32.05 | abrotman | !tell extor about paste |
| 15:32.13 | `mac` | just wan a say THANK YOU debian |
| 15:32.26 | cahoot | liable: well user is really user |
| 15:32.27 | stew | rcbarnes: extract the package into a directory, remove the offending file, rebuild the deb with -b |
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| 15:32.41 | chops | rhineheart_m: Google for elinks. Yes, you can access your router using elinks. |
| 15:32.42 | abrotman | it's a bot! |
| 15:32.46 | `mac` | i m not only runing debian, i love my freebsd as well |
| 15:32.48 | rcbarnes | stew: ah |
| 15:33.01 | chops | rhineheart_m: Be careful not to kill your access to your machine while messing with router settings :-) |
| 15:33.08 | rcbarnes | stew: thanks |
| 15:33.21 | hoxu | Yvonne, was that Yvonne botspam somehow related to you? :) |
| 15:33.29 | liable | `mac`: be great if you stopped your conversation to noone right there :) |
| 15:33.33 | stew | hoxu: it was not |
| 15:33.39 | abrotman | grr .. gotta stop joking with you kids |
| 15:33.50 | Yvonne | hoxu: no :) |
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| 15:34.03 | `mac` | that didnt came out clear liable: ok.. i m stop sharing my info.. |
| 15:34.25 | Spec | During the shutdown sequence, when does debian unmount nfs volumes defined in /etc/fstab? |
| 15:34.56 | dutchfish | Spec, almost at last |
| 15:34.58 | sparr | does aptitude have a function similar to "apt-cache policy"? |
| 15:35.08 | rhineheart_m | chops, you mean.. elinks is being run in the remote computer? |
| 15:35.15 | chops | rhineheart_m: Correct |
| 15:35.28 | rhineheart_m | just like doing mtr IP? |
| 15:35.35 | chops | rhineheart_m: ssh to your remote machine, install elinks if necessary, run 'elinks http://192.168.1.1/' (or whatever), and reconfigure your router |
| 15:35.36 | Spec | dutchfish: if i want a script to run after that, would 99-script in rc#.d be good enough? |
| 15:35.49 | dutchfish | Spec, i doubt that |
| 15:36.13 | Spec | so is there a way to run a script after nfs mounts? vmware has a network module, vmxnet, that it tries to unload and that fails because of the nfs mounts |
| 15:36.18 | dutchfish | Spec, what you want to achieve? |
| 15:36.24 | Spec | and then the shutdown sequence just kinda stops working. |
| 15:36.34 | rhineheart_m | chops, how to install it in etch? apt-get elinks? |
| 15:36.40 | catsup | Spec: look at /etc/rc6.d |
| 15:36.41 | chops | rhineheart_m: aptitude install elinks |
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| 15:37.28 | catsup | Spec: it just runs those files in order |
| 15:37.42 | Spec | S31umountnfs.sh would be the one |
| 15:37.50 | Spec | so anything S## > 31 is run afterwards, right? |
| 15:38.04 | rhineheart_m | chops got this: Couldn't find package "elink". However, the following packages contain "elink" in their name: prelink elinks-lite elinks |
| 15:38.04 | dutchfish | Spec, right |
| 15:38.07 | catsup | Spec: right but it sounds like what you want is to *prevent* vmware from *unloading* that module |
| 15:38.08 | Spec | wait, i thought K## scripts killed it, what's S do? |
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| 15:38.24 | abrotman | start |
| 15:38.24 | Spec | catsup: why not just let vmware unload it after the nfs mounts are cleared off? |
| 15:38.25 | dutchfish | Spec, start it |
| 15:38.26 | chops | (11:36:27 AM) chops: rhineheart_m: aptitude install elinks |
| 15:38.27 | catsup | Spec: the K scripts kill stuff started in other runlevels |
| 15:38.46 | Spec | ah, so that's the difference between a start/stop call |
| 15:38.48 | catsup | Spec: whatever |
| 15:38.49 | Spec | err, argument |
| 15:39.01 | Spec | which are run first, K or S? |
| 15:39.07 | rhineheart_m | if you've mispasted a line in ssh.. how to get out from > ? |
| 15:39.08 | catsup | Spec: whether you add it later is irrelevant as lon as you remove it earlier |
| 15:39.13 | catsup | Spec: K |
| 15:39.20 | Spec | 'k, thanks much. |
| 15:39.31 | catsup | Spec: they are simply run in alphabetic order. |
| 15:39.37 | Spec | oh :p |
| 15:39.53 | catsup | well maybe it only runs stuff that starts with [KS] |
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| 15:40.31 | rhineheart_m | chops, how to exit from > ? I mispasted a line in the ssh.. and I tried exit or q but it won't work |
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| 15:40.57 | nick01 | anybody knows a good guide for setting up a mail server on debian ? |
| 15:41.01 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, crtlc |
| 15:41.58 | rhineheart_m | dutchfish, that works! thanks.. |
| 15:42.04 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, yw |
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| 15:42.25 | catsup | Spec: i just checked, it does for s in /etc/rc$runlevel.d/[SK]*; do ... |
| 15:42.59 | Spec | catsup: damn... |
| 15:43.10 | Spec | catsup: vmware is K08 and umount-nfs-scripty is S31 |
| 15:43.18 | rhineheart_m | what's the difference between aptitude and apt-get? |
| 15:43.26 | hoxu | !why aptitude |
| 15:43.26 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info |
| 15:43.26 | dutchfish | !aptitude |
| 15:43.26 | dpkg | aptitude is probably now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
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| 15:43.40 | catsup | Spec: well you can just rename it S32 |
| 15:43.47 | Spec | but doesn't S call it with 'start'? |
| 15:43.56 | chops | Spec: On shutdown runlevels it calls everything with 'stop' |
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| 15:43.58 | Spec | or are all rc6.d's calld with stop? |
| 15:44.03 | chops | Spec: It's sort of a misfeature |
| 15:44.08 | catsup | oh yes |
| 15:44.10 | Spec | ah :p |
| 15:44.15 | Spec | well, let's try that then :) |
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| 15:44.51 | chops | Spec: BTW, I would recommend talking to vmware; it sounds like a bug in their init scripts if vmware needs to shut down after NFS mounts, but installs an init script that shuts down before them |
| 15:45.11 | Spec | chops: i'll get my boss to do that :) |
| 15:45.26 | Spec | that did fix it, however, thanks much guys. |
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| 15:45.43 | rhineheart_m | okay.. BTW.. how to exit from elinks? I can't manage my router there.. .its unreadable... it appears black and white.. :) |
| 15:45.46 | ma3x | this iwl3945 driver is kinda weird, it stops working suddenly |
| 15:45.51 | chops | rhineheart_m: Press Q |
| 15:46.21 | chops | rhineheart_m: You can also use ssh -X and a GUI web browser (might be better to use a simple one like dillo), though that'll be slower |
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| 15:46.46 | chops | rhineheart_m: You could also install a web proxy or some such on your remote machine so you can use a local web browser |
| 15:46.58 | chops | rhineheart_m: Using elinks would be my preferred approach, but YMMV |
| 15:48.05 | rhineheart_m | chops, how would I do it with firefox? hope it would be secure... :) |
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| 15:48.22 | chops | rhineheart_m: How would you do which approach? |
| 15:48.31 | dutchfish | rhineheart_m, as long as your router understands ssl, sure |
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| 15:50.58 | rhineheart_m | chops, with firefox.. can wrt54g understand ssl? |
| 15:51.04 | chops | rhineheart_m: Yes |
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| 15:51.18 | chops | rhineheart_m: Well, wait |
| 15:51.29 | chops | rhineheart_m: Which approach are you planning to do? |
| 15:51.58 | chops | rhineheart_m: I'm not sure whether using https:// to access your wrt54g will work or not. Passing SSL through your router to your home computer will work. |
| 15:51.58 | rhineheart_m | chops, well. I will go with ssh -x and firefox :) |
| 15:52.01 | romano2k | hi everyone! hi would you abbreviate "background"? |
| 15:52.06 | chops | rhineheart_m: Yes, that should work. |
| 15:52.09 | romano2k | (in a few letters, it's for a variable) |
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| 15:52.40 | rhineheart_m | chops, I'm sure it would since I'm working remotely with virtualmin over SSL (https) |
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| 15:53.06 | dutchfish | wonders about a lack of imagination ... |
| 15:53.11 | chops | rhineheart_m: If you like that approach but it's irritatingly slow for you, there are a couple of moderately-difficult things you can do to make it faster (lbxproxy and another I can't remember that's basically GNU Screen for X sessions) |
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| 15:53.55 | `mac` | was trying to block this ip using iptables then i went iptables -F cant ssh no more.. |
| 15:54.10 | rhineheart_m | I'm in DSL connection (1 MBPS) connecting to a remote computer which is higher than here.. :) |
| 15:54.15 | hoxu | gdm[3971]: WARNING: main daemon: Got SIGABRT. Something went very wrong. Going down! |
| 15:54.16 | abrotman | yes, you'll have to restart the machine |
| 15:54.18 | hoxu | kernel: gdm[3971]: segfault at 00000000 eip b7853686 esp bfd43e30 error 4 |
| 15:54.21 | chops | `mac`: I've done that. It sucks. It only took me one time to learn to be very careful in the future, though :-) |
| 15:54.23 | hoxu | cheers, and mouse stopped working too :p |
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| 15:54.48 | `mac` | chops: thank you.. any way i can install pf firewall? |
| 15:55.07 | dutchfish | mumbles something about remote kvm .. |
| 15:55.21 | `mac` | i installed fail2ban .. that well take care of the bruce force right |
| 15:55.23 | chops | `mac`: Don't do iptables -F? :-) |
| 15:55.41 | `mac` | right.. got that part lol :) |
| 15:55.43 | chops | `mac`: You can use a remote KVM as mentioned, or a serial console, or physical access, or just be very very careful |
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| 15:56.16 | `mac` | why do i need does remotes? using putty on ssh |
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| 15:56.33 | rhineheart_m | chops, any update for me? |
| 15:56.47 | `mac` | chops: anyway i can install pf firewall? |
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| 15:57.02 | `mac` | or i sould do it menually |
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| 15:57.07 | dutchfish | `mac`, many things, like remot ebios access, nic failure, iptables ;) etc |
| 15:57.08 | chops | `mac`: Well, but if you break network access to the machine (which is often an intermediate step of setting up a firewall), putty on ssh won't work so well |
| 15:57.21 | chops | `mac`: I'm not familiar with pf, so I can't say anything about how to do that specifically. |
| 15:57.40 | `mac` | i see.. i use pf on my fbsd system as well, very nice then ipfw |
| 15:57.46 | pleed | Hi, i ve got a debian etch with exim4. my problem is that exim user "Debian-exim" is in the /etc/passwd file with UID 100 but i cant resolve uid 100 to Debian-exim. "ps aux | grep exim" just shows "100" as user |
| 15:57.53 | chops | rhineheart_m: Is firefox over ssh -X working for you? I wasn't aware there was any need for an update :-) |
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| 15:58.23 | rhineheart_m | chops, hehehe.. I haven't tried it.. |
| 15:59.03 | dutchfish | pleed, just recreate Debian-exim:x:100:102::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false then |
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| 15:59.26 | abrotman | but it's already in the passwd file |
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| 16:00.05 | dutchfish | abrotman, maybe his shadow file got corrupt? |
| 16:00.11 | abrotman | getent ? |
| 16:00.15 | stew | pleed: ps does that for usernames > 8 chars |
| 16:00.33 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 16:00.58 | stew | yes, 'getent passwd 100' would resolve it |
| 16:01.14 | Haris | I found out the connections from clients are reaching the debian box. How can I now check if its iptables/kernel or squid that's causing the connection failures? |
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| 16:03.27 | Haris | ? |
| 16:03.49 | pleed | dutchfish: thanks, i think i made a mistake while regenerating Debian-exim, it could not speak to saslauthd but it seems to be fixed now. |
| 16:04.29 | `mac` | need to fix couple of things.. freshclam[3716]: Can't get information about database.clamav.net: Temporary DNS error |
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| 16:05.29 | cahoot | Haris: disable the suspects one by one? |
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| 16:06.00 | Haris | cahoot: How does one disable iptables in a transparent proxy setup ? :p |
| 16:06.17 | cahoot | ask the sysadmin ;) |
| 16:06.24 | Haris | I am the sysadmin |
| 16:06.42 | juso | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:07.32 | pleed | juso: security or port scanner? |
| 16:08.10 | pleed | What you describe sounds more like scanning ports for me |
| 16:08.56 | juso | pleed: both would be good |
| 16:09.05 | juso | nessus and nmap maybe? |
| 16:10.41 | dutchfish | snort and its companying tools maybe? |
| 16:11.10 | dutchfish | or a stealth brdige |
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| 16:14.24 | dutchfish | juso, ids can be hairy |
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| 16:19.08 | rgr | Does the nv driver work with multiple displays? |
| 16:19.18 | cloakable | yes |
| 16:19.27 | rgr | and hw acceleration? |
| 16:19.27 | cloakable | rgr: I'm using it right now |
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| 16:19.48 | cloakable | rgr: nv driver doesn't do hw acceleration, AFAIK |
| 16:19.56 | cloakable | you need the binary driver for that |
| 16:20.00 | leOn | hello |
| 16:20.13 | rgr | all drivers are binary. You mean the non free one? |
| 16:20.23 | cloakable | Yeah. |
| 16:20.37 | cloakable | But you can get the source to the nv one :P |
| 16:20.46 | leOn | how does the package build process keep track of the correct file ownerships when using fakeroot ? |
| 16:20.49 | rgr | cloakable: and how is the xorg interface for nv? Is there a decent utility program to setup dual screens? |
| 16:21.03 | stew | leOn: it starts a daemon that keeps a list |
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| 16:21.23 | cloakable | rgr: nope. though I'll be happy to mail you an example of a working xorg.conf |
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| 16:21.49 | rgr | I have one set up for the nvidia driver - would that work if I just change the nvidia to nv? |
| 16:21.57 | rgr | in the device sectio? |
| 16:22.17 | cloakable | rgr: yup |
| 16:22.22 | fixed_ | leOn: how about a nice cup of SHUT THE F*CK UP? |
| 16:22.27 | cloakable | the nvidia driver also works |
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| 16:22.43 | leOn | fixed_: *fart* |
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| 16:22.56 | rgr | cloakable: yes, but I'm sick of having to recompile it when the kernel changes. |
| 16:23.06 | cloakable | rgr: yeah |
| 16:23.24 | cloakable | rgr: just switch the nvidia entry to nv |
| 16:23.29 | leOn | cause apparently the package gets build nicely, but when i install it, the ownerships ain't right |
| 16:23.39 | rgr | I find it astonishing that one need to recompile drivers like that when there is a kernel change. It goes a long way to putting people off linux IMO. |
| 16:24.01 | rgr | cloakable: will I need to uninstall the nvidia driver too? |
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| 16:24.11 | cloakable | rgr: If you want :) |
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| 16:24.31 | rgr | cloakable: you dont know? I dont want the nvidia module loading if Im not using it. |
| 16:24.45 | maligor | rgr, if you get nvidia to gpl their kernel driver it... oh wait.. it won't, it's friggen huge |
| 16:24.54 | leOn | stew: how can i debug that ? |
| 16:24.59 | cloakable | rgr: either remove or blacklist the module. |
| 16:25.20 | rgr | maligor: I dont want to argue politics. I dont see why they should - its their sw anyway. But thats another issue. The issue is why they need to be recompiled when the kernel changes. |
| 16:25.49 | maligor | rgr, maybe they'll move to the userspace api once it's usable on that level |
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| 16:27.39 | stew | leOn: have you checked the actual contents of the .deb? |
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| 16:29.29 | leOn | stew: yes, uids/gids are wring |
| 16:29.32 | leOn | wrong even |
| 16:30.08 | leOn | of course in the build directory, since i'm using fakeroot i only see the uid/gid of the build user |
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| 16:32.23 | stew | leOn: can you show me your debian/rules? |
| 16:32.36 | leOn | sure ... gimme a sec |
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| 16:33.37 | ma3x | on boot i get about 10 lines like these: system 00:01: iomem range 0xfed1c000-0xfed1ffff could not be reserved |
| 16:33.43 | ma3x | what are they? something serious? |
| 16:33.48 | stew | leOn: actually you can also just run "fakeroot" which will open a new shell. and in that shell, you WOULD see the faked permissions when you do things like 'ls' |
| 16:34.31 | stew | leOn: (you would see the faked permissions for things that were changed inside that shell) |
| 16:34.42 | leOn | hmm .. interesting |
| 16:34.47 | leOn | stew: http://rafb.net/p/S2sNxE90.html |
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| 16:35.08 | stew | leOn: so, for instance, you could run "fakeroot ; debian/rules binary ; find debian/$packagename -type f | xargs ls" and hopefully see the permissions |
| 16:36.20 | stew | leOn: DH_COMPAT=4? that's on the old side |
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| 16:36.30 | stew | leOn: which command is supposed to be changing permissions? ./make-owners ? |
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| 16:36.54 | leOn | nope ... the make setup does that |
| 16:37.14 | leOn | the make-owners created a file to keep track of those uids/gids |
| 16:37.23 | leOn | s/created/creates/ |
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| 16:38.26 | leOn | for the binaries runtime use later |
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| 16:43.05 | tython | hi |
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| 16:43.29 | adama | wasabi |
| 16:43.30 | tython | I apt-get source libcrypto++ |
| 16:43.33 | rgr | cloakable: what is the name of the free driver? Not nvidia-glx? |
| 16:43.34 | leOn | *sigh* ... all files get uid/gid = root |
| 16:43.40 | tython | but the souce does not compile |
| 16:44.08 | tython | I don't know why. |
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| 16:44.09 | abrotman | !source |
| 16:44.10 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. As root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. As any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. You need deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list for apt-get source to work. Ask me about <deb-src>. |
| 16:44.20 | cloakable | rgr: the free driver is already in :) |
| 16:44.36 | adama | rgr: nv |
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| 16:44.40 | DynV | is there a way I can copy files and they automatically skip a file when it hit a problem (most likely IO) ? |
| 16:44.43 | adama | rgr: xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 16:44.45 | rgr | cloakable: ok. well in that case its not enough to change nvidia to nv in the xorg.conf :( |
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| 16:45.10 | cloakable | rgr: actually, yes it it |
| 16:45.11 | romano2k | anyone able to tell me what's wrong with this: http://pastebin.org/33455 ? |
| 16:45.13 | cloakable | *is |
| 16:45.25 | stew | leOn: do you have a build script? like where you could see 'make setup' trying to chmod? |
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| 16:45.30 | rgr | cloakable: actually no its not. I just tried it. And got no display. |
| 16:45.34 | ma3x | scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/home/ma3x/alsa-driver-1.0.15rc1/acore/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop. |
| 16:45.37 | ma3x | what do i do there? how do i fix it? |
| 16:45.41 | leOn | interestingly enough .. the first ./make-owners creates the files with the right ownerships |
| 16:45.47 | cloakable | rgr: Hmmm. You didn't install xorg? |
| 16:46.12 | rgr | cloakable: huh? What do you mean install xorg? xorg is the default. |
| 16:46.25 | leOn | stew: unfortunatly not .. the "make setup" calls a compiled program that preforms the install |
| 16:47.06 | cloakable | rgr: installing xorg should automatically pull in the free nvidia driver |
| 16:47.07 | leOn | could that be the problem? |
| 16:47.38 | stew | leOn: its shoudlnt' matter. fakeroot is LD_PRELOAD so it should catch the system calls to chmod no matter what |
| 16:49.40 | hoxu | hrem, looks like grub-probe in sid segfaults for me, in turn making update-grub return 139, which makes any kernel installation fail, fun :) |
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| 16:50.43 | abrotman | romano2k: you probably want #bash |
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| 16:51.07 | romano2k | yeah, sorry abrotman, i went there a few minutes ago |
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| 16:53.30 | aarcane | how do I enable xslt in php5 in debian? I've got xsl, can't figure out xslt |
| 16:53.48 | abrotman | the same? |
| 16:53.57 | stew | abrotman: xsl and xslt are the same thing |
| 16:54.37 | aarcane | stew, I've got the xsl.so enabled, and xsl functions work, but not xslt functions. |
| 16:54.40 | rgr | cloakable: it might well have. But it still didnt work by just changing nvidia to nv. Not to worry - I can stick with the nvidia one for a while longer. |
| 16:55.02 | cloakable | okies |
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| 16:55.29 | abrotman | stew: that's what i said |
| 16:55.58 | abrotman | stew: erm .. sorry .. i meant they were "the same?" .. not the same procedure |
| 16:56.09 | stew | abrotman: hi |
| 16:56.13 | abrotman | HI! |
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| 16:57.32 | jo4 | if i do 'setterm -powersave off', is the setting persistant over a reboot |
| 16:57.33 | jo4 | ? |
| 16:57.57 | abrotman | no |
| 16:58.16 | jo4 | ah, crap. how can i make it consistant? |
| 16:58.56 | jo4 | persistant even |
| 16:59.22 | abrotman | in your ~/.bash_profile ? |
| 16:59.30 | abrotman | !blank |
| 16:59.31 | dpkg | a budget screensaver for linux. To turn it off, run 'setterm -blank 0'. At the same time, you may want to add that to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh Also see <dpms> for X blanking |
| 16:59.45 | stew | aarcane: from: http://us3.php.net/manual/en/intro.xslt.php |
| 16:59.56 | stew | aarcane: Note: This extension has been moved to the » PECL repository and is no longer bundled with PHP as of PHP 5.0.0. Note: If you need xslt support with PHP 5 you can use the XSL extension. |
| 17:00.13 | tython | thank you abrotman |
| 17:00.17 | abrotman | ? |
| 17:00.25 | beardy | jo4: Preferebly ~/.bashrc, if included in .bash_profile |
| 17:00.25 | jo4 | abrotman, but then it'll run even if i ssh in |
| 17:00.33 | aarcane | aah, excellent. thanks stew |
| 17:00.36 | abrotman | jo4: it won't have any effect though |
| 17:01.01 | jo4 | ah, i can just > /dev/null |
| 17:01.07 | ma3x | my volume (snd-hda-intel) is %50 lower as it should be. I have adjusted MASTER and PCM to maximum, but sitll not loud as it should be. where's the problem? |
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| 17:06.39 | leOn | stew: strangely enough, i used the qmail-src package and went through the build for the binary package and using fakeroot to peek in the tmp build dir, the files don't get the right permissions either ... |
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| 17:13.08 | tython | the compiling seems to last forever. |
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| 17:14.50 | ehird | what package has the C manpages? |
| 17:14.57 | abrotman | manpages-dev |
| 17:15.26 | ehird | thanks |
| 17:15.32 | ehird | I was trying libc-doc which is just a dead packgae |
| 17:15.53 | abrotman | libc6-doc ? |
| 17:16.40 | ehird | abrotman: I was just trying libc-doc actually |
| 17:16.48 | abrotman | !info libc6-doc etch |
| 17:16.50 | ehird | E: Package libc6-doc has no installation candidate |
| 17:16.52 | ehird | doesn't work either |
| 17:16.53 | abrotman | i think that's the name |
| 17:17.04 | ehird | nope |
| 17:17.06 | stew | ehird: you probably want glibc-doc-reference from non-free or manpages-dev |
| 17:17.08 | abrotman | oh .. neverind .. that was gcc-doc in non-free |
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| 17:19.10 | stew | i'll bet that libc6-doc or libc-doc got renamed glibc-doc-reference when the docs were moved to non-free (and therefore started coming from a different source package) |
| 17:19.19 | ma3x | * The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used! |
| 17:19.23 | ma3x | how do i update the modules? |
| 17:19.23 | _IC | hello momma. |
| 17:19.43 | simonrvn | ma3x: you don't need to? ;) |
| 17:19.44 | _IC | how do i mount a iso on qemu console ? |
| 17:19.53 | stew | ma3x: don't use /etc/modutils but /etc/modprobe.d instead |
| 17:19.59 | _IC | with loopback device system/thingiy |
| 17:20.12 | _IC | does anyone knows anything about this ? |
| 17:20.39 | _IC | no ? |
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| 17:20.52 | ma3x | stew: i edited /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, now should i somehow run a command to update modules (reread the config) ? |
| 17:20.52 | _IC | good to know that . |
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| 17:21.02 | stew | ma3x: no |
| 17:21.17 | ma3x | http://pastebin.ca/1005172 |
| 17:21.24 | ma3x | can you check and see why my volume is low? |
| 17:21.28 | stew | _IC: perhaps try #qemu |
| 17:21.31 | ma3x | i think it's %50 of its capacity |
| 17:21.46 | stew | ma3x: is it a laptop that also has a hardware volume control? |
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| 17:22.33 | ma3x | stew: it's a fujitsu laptop, I don't if it has a hardware volume control, however it does not have external multimedia keys to adjust the volume. but it has the usual FN+volume keys.... which don't work when i press then. nor the brightness works |
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| 17:25.00 | ma3x | stew: what if it has hardware volume control - should i install some package that will enable it? |
| 17:25.11 | stew | ma3x: i don't know |
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| 17:34.55 | sandman | Does anyone know how to restart init without rebooting hte computer? I tried kill -HUP 1, but that didn't do anything. |
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| 17:35.36 | simonrvn | init q; init u is what i do usually. that makes it re-read its tab |
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| 17:37.42 | sandman | Okay. I have a custom-defined bitlbee in /etc/inetd.conf. It specifies that it is to run on port 7668. |
| 17:37.48 | vjoe | bye |
| 17:37.55 | sandman | Yet, for whatever reason, when I connect to 127.0.0.1:7668, it simply will not connect. |
| 17:38.13 | abrotman | firewall? |
| 17:38.18 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:38.31 | sandman | Nope. Firewall will be coming soon enough |
| 17:38.32 | simonrvn | that's not init, that's inetd. 2 different beasts |
| 17:38.36 | sandman | I just sorta got stuck on this step. |
| 17:39.06 | sandman | And also, when I dpkg-reconfigure bitlbee, it just complains that the port in bitlbee.conf is different from inetd, and directs me to edit it manually. So that's sorta useless. |
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| 17:41.25 | sandman | Alright. I ran "killall -HUP inetd", but its PID will not change. |
| 17:41.25 | stew | sandman: you realize that init and inetd are completely different things, right? |
| 17:41.26 | sandman | Is this normal? |
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| 17:41.42 | sandman | stew: Yes, I know that. I was just miswording what I meant to say. |
| 17:41.45 | stew | sandman: yes, -HUP would tell the same process to reread its config |
| 17:42.13 | sandman | Yay, it works now. |
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| 17:42.36 | sandman | So why can't dpkg-reconfigure bitlbee re-do the appropriate entry in inetd.conf, as well. |
| 17:42.39 | sandman | I mean, why not, right? |
| 17:42.54 | stew | sandman: becuase its against debian policy for one package to touch anothers conffiles |
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| 17:44.48 | sandman | stew: That makes sense. |
| 17:44.54 | sandman | Alright, brb. |
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| 17:46.45 | \amethyst | stew: I'm not so sure about that |
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| 17:48.09 | stew | \amethyst: see policy 10.7.4 |
| 17:48.22 | \amethyst | stew: yes, I was reading: f it is desirable for two or more related packages to share a configuration file and for all of the related packages to be able to modify that configuration file, then the following should be done: |
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| 17:48.26 | \amethyst | # |
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| 17:48.36 | \amethyst | stew: I guess that's not talking about conffiles |
| 17:48.38 | dokma | hey guys |
| 17:48.45 | \amethyst | stew: but I wonder what this update-inetd package is for, then |
| 17:48.51 | dokma | my firefox does not open skype when I click on those skype: links |
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| 17:49.01 | dokma | found out it was because I did not have |
| 17:49.09 | dokma | skype-action-handler on my system |
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| 17:49.15 | \amethyst | stew: is inetd.conf a conffile? |
| 17:49.20 | dokma | can't find the file on packages.debian.org |
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| 17:49.32 | dokma | any one had an issue with this? |
| 17:50.06 | \amethyst | stew: I think it might be generated by maintainer scripts instead---dpkg -S says it doesn't belong to a package |
| 17:51.01 | stew | \amethyst: yeah, it looks like you are right |
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| 17:52.31 | stew | \amethyst: thought 10.7.4 seems to mostly about configuration files not conffiles |
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| 17:53.15 | stew | actually it switches back and forst |
| 17:53.19 | stew | and probably not on purpose |
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| 17:55.53 | hoxu | so... what are the odds I get help if I start with "I'm using unstable, and my XXX stopped working..." |
| 17:56.16 | stew | hoxu: not very good, since XXX isn't in debian |
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| 17:56.57 | hoxu | very good point |
| 17:57.02 | oliver_g_ | hello |
| 17:57.28 | simonrvn | technically it is, if you consider pornview ;p |
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| 17:57.59 | hoxu | the problem is my mouse, it just stopped uh... moving around, or doing anything useful... I mean, the cursor |
| 17:58.24 | oliver_g_ | at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers it says that "NVIDIA packages are currently not in testing"; does anyone have experience using the unstable nvidia-glx .debs under testing? |
| 17:58.25 | stew | hoxu: in x or console? |
| 17:58.45 | hoxu | stew, in X, I use evdev |
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| 18:00.26 | hoxu | /dev/input/event5 still seems to react to mouse movement, hmm... |
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| 18:01.48 | stew | i have not yet bothered with evdev |
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| 18:04.29 | simonrvn | i haven't either, since i tried it and nothing worked after i did. just regular ps/2 mouse and kbd... |
| 18:04.31 | hoxu | ah well, I guess it's my xorg.conf, looks like giving the correct "Name" Option for the device is no longer enough |
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| 18:04.41 | simonrvn | i think just the mouse didn't actually |
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| 18:05.18 | hoxu | simonrvn, you should use unstable, it allows you the comfort of never having to acknowledge that you may have screwed up something with the configuration |
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| 18:05.28 | simonrvn | i am |
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| 18:05.54 | hoxu | ah well then, how was the state different before and after trying evdev then? :p |
| 18:06.28 | simonrvn | don't remember, was several months ago |
| 18:07.40 | hoxu | cheers, I just had to uncomment & update the hardcoded 'Option "Device" "/dev/input/event5"' line... not a very good solution but Works For Now (TM) :} |
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| 18:08.39 | Vegar | How do I burn a DebianLive .img file to a CD? I suspect I have to use mkisofs first, but I'm not sure if that's the correct way to do it. |
| 18:09.21 | hoxu | (I also love sid because it gives you satisfaction for getting something basic to work again... every week:) |
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| 18:09.41 | Vegar | according to file, the .img is "x86 boot sector, SYSLINUX MBR (2.10); partition 1: ID=0x83, active, starthead 1, startsector 63, 883512 sectors" |
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| 18:11.27 | drijen | !seen phated |
| 18:11.27 | dpkg | drijen: i haven't seen 'phated' |
| 18:11.31 | drijen | you suck. |
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| 18:13.56 | hoxu | Vegar, maybe you can just burn it with "cdrecord -v"? |
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| 18:15.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi all. i've written an init script for a 3rd party app i compiled up. what would be the recomended way of updating all the rc. links? update-rc.d? |
| 18:15.11 | Vegar | hoxu: I'll try that, thanks |
| 18:15.24 | abrotman | Kamping_Kaiser: yes |
| 18:15.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | abrotman, thanks mate |
| 18:16.04 | hoxu | s/mate/umbrella hat/ |
| 18:16.48 | ma3x | what other choice than alsa do I have for using sound? |
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| 18:17.13 | cahoot | what's wrong with alsa? |
| 18:17.27 | ma3x | not good driver, my laptop is too new |
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| 18:17.40 | ma3x | it doesn't maximize my sound |
| 18:18.03 | hoxu | ma3x, checked alsamixer? |
| 18:18.10 | ma3x | of course |
| 18:18.15 | cahoot | ma3x: I'd say the only option is a newer alsa |
| 18:18.18 | ma3x | everythings maxed up |
| 18:18.22 | hoxu | just say "yes" :p |
| 18:18.22 | stew | his alsa volume is turned up. the laptop's hardware volume is not |
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| 18:18.40 | ma3x | cahoot: no alternative to alsa? |
| 18:18.43 | hoxu | ma3x, do you use a debian kernel? |
| 18:18.59 | cahoot | ma3x: not if you use linux |
| 18:18.59 | ma3x | yup, 24-1 |
| 18:19.07 | stew | he uses a debian kernel with alsa 0.15 added |
| 18:19.10 | Vegar | hoxu: didn't work |
| 18:19.11 | hoxu | ma3x, you could try using a newer vanilla kernel from kernel.org (unless there are backports), and use make-kpkg |
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| 18:19.18 | Vegar | hoxu: but I found a .iso, I'll try that next |
| 18:19.24 | hoxu | Vegar, details? |
| 18:19.39 | stew | hoxu: i doubt that using an older alsa version would help, especially since this is a hardware problem |
| 18:19.41 | ma3x | hoxu is there a backport of a newer kernel? |
| 18:19.47 | stew | ma3x: don't bother |
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| 18:20.07 | hoxu | stew, older? |
| 18:20.07 | ma3x | stew: what do you suggest? waiting only for a newer alsa release? |
| 18:20.15 | stew | ma3x: this is not an alsa problem |
| 18:20.20 | stew | hoxu: yes, older |
| 18:20.20 | ma3x | i tried their rc1,2 of alsa-driver, same thing |
| 18:20.26 | ma3x | stew: kernel problem? |
| 18:20.41 | Vegar | hoxu: it won't boot from the CD |
| 18:20.48 | hoxu | stew, confused now... I meant trying a newer kernel might help, but nevermind :p |
| 18:20.59 | stew | hoxu: if he grabs an upstream kernel, its going to have an older version of alsa than the one he is using now |
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| 18:21.04 | hoxu | Vegar, other bootable CDs work? |
| 18:21.07 | Vegar | hoxu: I can't even mount it |
| 18:21.12 | Vegar | yes |
| 18:21.12 | hoxu | stew, ah ok |
| 18:21.34 | ma3x | stew: i hate compiling kernels |
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| 18:21.53 | Vegar | hoxu: when mounting, this is writted to dmesg: ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format. |
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| 18:22.04 | ma3x | stew: what are the options? wait for new kernel or alsa or what? |
| 18:22.21 | stew | ma3x: ask toshiba |
| 18:22.31 | ma3x | toshiba? |
| 18:22.33 | ma3x | it's fujitsu |
| 18:22.37 | stew | ma3x: ask fujitsu |
| 18:22.38 | ma3x | they dont support linux |
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| 18:22.57 | hoxu | Vegar, ah sorry then... I'm surprised if the homepage does not contain any instructions on what to burn |
| 18:22.58 | stew | ma3x: are you able to control the hardware volume from other operating systems? |
| 18:23.11 | ma3x | stew: in windows it works, yes |
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| 18:23.17 | Vegar | hoxu: I've looked all over the place |
| 18:23.23 | Vegar | hoxu: but now I found .isos, gonna try that |
| 18:23.26 | ma3x | stew: actually the volume is quite maximum there |
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| 18:23.48 | ma3x | (goes up to pretty loud) |
| 18:24.02 | hoxu | Vegar, good luck... and remember you can check the contents beforehand with mount -o loop or fuseiso |
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| 18:24.15 | Vegar | hoxu: yeah |
| 18:24.38 | Vegar | hoxu: in this case the .img wasn't a CD image |
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| 18:24.53 | maligor | maybe it's meant for flash media |
| 18:24.58 | Vegar | I suspect it's one of those images you put on USB memory sticks with dd if=*.img of=/dev/sdb |
| 18:25.15 | rking | how can i change what font AbiWord uses for "Times New Roman"? (the one it is picking has poor i18n (no arabic glyphs)) |
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| 18:27.03 | manic | is there a way to pass a no-hlt option to grub if you cannot boot the computer? |
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| 18:27.17 | manic | or rather, boot the computer fully into linux :-) |
| 18:27.19 | abrotman | edit the grub command? |
| 18:27.28 | hoxu | Vegar, may be, apologies for the poor advice, I hope you didn't toast a non-blankable media :p |
| 18:27.48 | Vegar | hehe |
| 18:27.58 | Vegar | I knew what I was doing |
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| 18:28.36 | maligor | rking, I think they're matched from /etc/fonts/conf.d/ configurations |
| 18:28.51 | oliver_g_ | manic: "man bootparam" actually mentions no-hlt, but only related to buggy i486DX-100 CPUs |
| 18:28.57 | rking | maligor: i'll look there - shukran. |
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| 18:28.58 | oliver_g_ | but maybe it is useful anyway |
| 18:28.59 | hoxu | Was there some other way of configuring mouse with evdev in xorg.conf, other than setting 'Option "Device"'? |
| 18:29.42 | maligor | rking, I imagine you can add a new alias that overrides the defaults |
| 18:29.56 | oliver_g_ | manic: (or was the question rather how to add this option in grub, without booting?) |
| 18:30.05 | manic | abrotman: I haven't been able to find a way to do that during startup basically. I know how to do it with LILO but haven't found the key to doing it with grub |
| 18:30.12 | rking | maligor: i bet this is the right track. i was hunting high and low for something abiword-specific, i didn't think of the possibility that it was a system-wide setup |
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| 18:30.59 | boodie | I got the following error messages: "Sound server informational message: Error while initializing the sound driver: device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) The sound server will continue, using the null output device." what could it be?? |
| 18:31.04 | manic | oliver: my machine is hanging right after the hlt command test which I don't understand. Laugh now if you want: this was a perfectly good windows machine (with different hard drives) a few weeks ago |
| 18:31.20 | maligor | rking, well, I expect abiword uses fontconfig, you can see what font it gives with fc-match "Times New Roman" |
| 18:31.35 | manic | abrotman: found it |
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| 18:31.42 | manic | thanks |
| 18:31.59 | oliver_g_ | manic: in Grub, press e to edit the currently-selected entry, then select the "kernel..." line, press e again, go to the end of that line, and add no-hlt; then press Enter and b |
| 18:32.00 | rking | maligor: teh sweetness. |
| 18:33.22 | oliver_g_ | anyway, does anyone have experience using the Debian nvidia-glx package from unstable on a testing-based system? |
| 18:33.56 | manic | thanks oliver....unfortunately didn't work |
| 18:34.04 | oliver_g_ | I want to have newer drivers but don't want to use some rogue nvidia-installer stuff :-/ |
| 18:34.17 | manic | I'm off to try to discover what command gets run *after* the htl instruction |
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| 18:34.40 | oliver_g_ | manic: actually I haven't ever heard of the HLT instruction causing trouble :-) |
| 18:34.47 | abrotman | he probably wants noapic or something |
| 18:34.57 | oliver_g_ | sound more likely, yes |
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| 18:36.38 | hoxu | ah well, to answer my earlier question about evdev and 'Option "Device" /dev/input/event5' being hardcoded... looks like there's symlinks like /dev/input/by-id/usb-${name}-event-mouse |
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| 18:37.08 | manic | abrotman: quite possibly. I did disable the apic on the motherboard because that was causing an issue. When I started reading on this error specifically everything has said to add no-hlt |
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| 18:38.30 | manic | but no, noapic didn't help either |
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| 18:40.14 | oliver_g_ | manic: did you maybe try booting with different LiveCDs? Maybe the problem doesn't exist with older or newer kernels? |
| 18:40.15 | simonrvn | hoxu: yes |
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| 18:42.47 | manic | oliver: I did. My current hd is sarge and that is the one that hangs after the hlt instruction. I have a bootable CD for the installation of Woody and I still have a 2.4 kernel installed. When I try booting the 2.4 kernel or using the CD it tells me that there is an error on the CPU. I am starting to believe that there is an error that Windows can ignore but Linux can't |
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| 18:44.35 | manic | I was attempting to speed up my Linux server by giving it the 2800 processor vs the 1600 and a bit more memroy. Fortunately, though, Linux is streamlines enough that I don't have a pressing need to do it. It would just be nice |
| 18:45.01 | manic | Guess the 2800 goes back to being winblows and th 1600 remains linux |
| 18:45.21 | hoxu | FWIW, "/msg dpkg evdev" factoid added |
| 18:45.22 | joltcan | That reminds me, I should buy a few harddrives and update my gateway |
| 18:45.26 | joltcan | Any day now... |
| 18:46.45 | jim | manic: have you run a memory test program on the winbox? |
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| 18:47.38 | manic | jim: no but the whole machine was running fine as a windows box a few weeks ago |
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| 18:48.30 | manic | I just swapped a few harddrives |
| 18:48.46 | jim | I'd suggest running memtest86 on both machines to see if there's any issue among the cpu, motherboard, ram, video and other cards plugged into the motherboard |
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| 18:49.35 | jim | also it could be related to power requirements versus power supply capability |
| 18:50.06 | manic | power requirements no...power supplies are the same |
| 18:50.25 | jim | what's their rating? |
| 18:50.38 | manic | I really htink there is an issue with the cpu that I was attempting to use and linux just can't cope (which is good) |
| 18:51.03 | manic | they are 300 watt power supplies but the machines don't have much in them |
| 18:51.06 | maligor | could still be power |
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| 18:51.29 | maligor | atleast if the total system use is near the maximum the power supply provides |
| 18:51.33 | unsolo | anyone know if ocfs comes default with a fence |
| 18:51.40 | jim | note that the cpus you have could have different power requirements, and drives powered by the motherboard will correspondingly reduce your remaining power capability |
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| 18:51.45 | unsolo | s/ocfs/ocfs2 |
| 18:51.59 | maligor | since even identical models will have somewhat different operating params, especially when they age |
| 18:52.09 | jim | orange county filesystem?! |
| 18:52.17 | simonrvn | bastids! |
| 18:52.30 | manic | jim: good point... |
| 18:52.48 | oliver_g_ | oracle cluster filesystem |
| 18:52.51 | manic | I'll try all that later...for now...back to the working configuration |
| 18:53.33 | benjamindees | is there a d-i add-on that will back up your existing partitions prior to install? |
| 18:53.38 | jim | perhaps the best you can do for now is increase your ram, which typically makes a big difference |
| 18:54.00 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: not to my knowledge |
| 18:54.15 | dondelelcaro | benjamindees: though it's not difficult to do using the command line |
| 18:54.20 | jim | that might be a good feature |
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| 18:54.28 | dondelelcaro | (you just stick the backup media in, and cp whatever you want) |
| 18:54.31 | jim | s/might/would/ |
| 18:54.43 | benjamindees | yeah, I'm working on making something to that effect; just wondering if it already existed |
| 18:54.54 | jim | plus you could ghost the drives and write out cds or dvds |
| 18:55.06 | dondelelcaro | there are a ton of things more important to fix, but if it's an itch you have, good luck |
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| 18:55.37 | benjamindees | !tell Azmodan` about root |
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| 18:56.51 | stew | !tell Azmodan` about root |
| 18:56.54 | oliver_g_ | lol |
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| 18:57.32 | oliver_g_ | do you have an idea how to setup a key combination for changing sound volume which also works inside games etc? |
| 18:58.01 | stew | oliver_g_: you can use something like xbindkeys to bind a key combination to run an amixer command |
| 18:58.05 | oliver_g_ | I have configured Win+/ and Win+* for that in KDE, but it doesn't work in tuxracer and such games |
| 18:58.28 | oliver_g_ | xbindkeys sounds good |
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| 18:59.00 | benjamindees | well I know that a major hurdle to installing linux is the fear of screwing up windows; and I've seen too many reports of people hosing their systems during install, so it seems like a good idea. |
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| 18:59.12 | mofino | Is anyone familiar with dh-make-perl? |
| 18:59.15 | mofino | It's driving me nuts. |
| 18:59.35 | mofino | It's not able to find the dependencies of modules |
| 19:00.00 | jim | manic: so now you have a handful of things to try, mainly to rule out hardware problems... best of luck finding the problem. |
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| 19:00.17 | oliver_g_ | benjamindees: honestly, I think the Wubi way in Ubuntu is better for installing Linux without messing with partitions... |
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| 19:00.45 | simonrvn | the who what? |
| 19:01.31 | oliver_g_ | benjamindees: it also prevents partition resizes... Did I already regale this channel with the story how I resized a partition, and after two hours costant hdd grinding the sound changed from wrrrrrr to clack-clack-clack? :-( |
| 19:01.32 | simonrvn | @topicsmite oliver_g_ |
| 19:01.33 | ravenbird | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon oliver_g_. And all the people marvelled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 19:01.41 | manic | jim: yep...thanks |
| 19:02.07 | manic | at least the 1600 still booted OK when it was put back together...that is always a plus :-) |
| 19:02.17 | benjamindees | oliver_g_, sounds like you should have backed up first :p |
| 19:02.28 | oliver_g_ | benjamindees: true :-( |
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| 19:03.17 | oliver_g_ | (sorry, but in what way did I misrespect the topic? is it not allowed to mention ubuntu, or is it something else?) |
| 19:03.37 | derrley | If I'm doing a dist-upgrade over an ssh connection from sarge to etch, should I expect to encouter problems bad enough to where I could lose the ability to shell in? (Like, in the process of it replacing a 2.4 with a 2.6 kernel?) |
| 19:03.49 | derrley | (I'm reading the release notes and getting a little scared) |
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| 19:04.20 | chops | derrley: The release notes will guide you through the upgrade, and remotely upgrading over ssh is supported and works. |
| 19:04.31 | oliver_g_ | derrley: If I recall correctly, using ssh for upgrading from sarge to etch was considered to be safe |
| 19:04.33 | jim | derrley: you'd have to reboot to activate the new kernel |
| 19:04.33 | chops | derrley: If you don't follow the release notes and just close your eyes and dist-upgrade, anything at all could happen |
| 19:04.37 | The_Birdman | Anyone with a build of openjdk on amd64? |
| 19:04.54 | benjamindees | oliver_g_, which typically requires both 1) a real installation of linux and 2) a period of time during which the user can dual-boot into windows if necessary |
| 19:05.20 | stew | derrley: are you booting from SATA drives? |
| 19:05.24 | jim | is this a remote machine? |
| 19:05.27 | benjamindees | oops, that was supposed to be private; no one read that :) |
| 19:05.30 | stew | derrley: you should make the 2.4->2.6 transition first |
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| 19:05.51 | derrley | stew: No sata drives. |
| 19:06.07 | stew | derrley: that eliminates one very scary parto fo the 2.4->2.6 transition |
| 19:06.14 | derrley | stew: good :) |
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| 19:06.36 | Sebboh | Hi. Does Etch have record of md5 hashes for binaries, or something? So that I can verify that all the binaries on the system are valid copies from the repositories, not some malware? |
| 19:06.37 | simonrvn | oliver_g_: no worries, i was just bugging you |
| 19:06.38 | stew | derrley: just don't under any circumstances let it remove the 2.4 kernel until you have a working 2.6 kernel |
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| 19:06.54 | jim | what kind of drives are they? is this a remote? |
| 19:07.18 | derrley | jim: yeah, remote machine. They're PATA. |
| 19:07.30 | jim | that should be ok |
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| 19:07.43 | derrley | stew: So, will doing a minimal aptitude update remove the 2.4 |
| 19:07.44 | derrley | ? |
| 19:07.56 | chops | Sebboh: debsums |
| 19:07.57 | jim | do you have a console you can ssh into? |
| 19:08.12 | stew | derrley: no, nor would upgrade, and it wouldnt' do something like that without warning you anyway |
| 19:08.48 | derrley | stew: okay. So I'll start with an aptitude upgrade |
| 19:08.54 | derrley | stew: that's what the release notes say to do anyway |
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| 19:09.05 | stew | derrley: "/msg dpkg grub-fallback" is a nice-to-have for remove machines when switching kernels |
| 19:09.14 | jim | this is the kind of thing where it would be handy to know wheter there's a person in there that can help you |
| 19:09.32 | `mac` | getting an error, not clear how i can fix this.. tail -f auth.log clamav/freshclam.log mail.log mail.err mail.info mail.warn mail.log.ispconfigsave user.log uucp.log xferlog |
| 19:09.33 | derrley | jim: Not today :( |
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| 19:09.47 | jim | do you have a serial console? |
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| 19:10.05 | jim | (where you can actually watch the machine boot) |
| 19:10.10 | `mac` | opz.. |
| 19:10.12 | `mac` | Can't get information about database.clamav.net: Temporary DNS error |
| 19:10.18 | derrley | stew: dpkg told me it didn't know "grub-fallback" |
| 19:10.21 | jeward | Hi, rndc reload doesn't work on a box upgraded from sarge to etch, can you help? |
| 19:10.28 | derrley | jim: nope. |
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| 19:11.33 | jeward | rndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: connection refused |
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| 19:11.46 | simonrvn | obviously it isn't listening there |
| 19:11.49 | jim | what are the consequences if the machine can't be started without someone manually doing something (so, tomorrow or so) |
| 19:11.51 | simonrvn | !connection refused |
| 19:11.52 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified ip address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 19:13.35 | simonrvn | that factoid needs some cleaning up, as a process can be listening on more than one port |
| 19:13.44 | simonrvn | !tell Lord-Azmodan -about root |
| 19:13.47 | Optic | kvm-over-ip with power control and remote virtual media == the win :) |
| 19:13.47 | benjamindees | heh |
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| 19:13.56 | simonrvn | Lord-Azmodan: *hint* su - youruser |
| 19:13.57 | jeward | simonrvn: named is running and working, it's just not working with rndc. |
| 19:14.16 | simonrvn | yes, and i just said what's going on |
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| 19:14.22 | jeward | I have a nearly identical box where its working that was also upgraded from sarge. |
| 19:14.25 | khaleel5000 | hello I have a noki E70 , I have debian etch , I wanna synchronise my phone via USB , got any idea about a howto/programme ? i have trouble finding one |
| 19:14.50 | jeward | But I can't find a difference in the configs that would explain why one works and the other doesn't. |
| 19:15.22 | simonrvn | you didn't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist |
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| 19:15.50 | jeward | simonrvn: Running a diff momentarily. |
| 19:16.07 | simonrvn | hint: rndc key |
| 19:16.13 | Optic | damn |
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| 19:16.54 | jeward | simonrvn: I created a new one with sudo rndc-confgen -a |
| 19:16.58 | simonrvn | another hint: listen-on |
| 19:17.36 | jeward | There's no "listen" in either named.conf. |
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| 19:18.57 | `mac` | how well i fix this ? Can't get information about database.clamav.net: Temporary DNS error |
| 19:19.35 | joltcan | Don't you have to add rndc stuff to the config to get that to work? |
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| 19:19.41 | simonrvn | yes |
| 19:20.10 | joltcan | `mac`: Sounds like you cant resolv stuff. Can you look up other hostnames? Like "host example.com"? |
| 19:20.20 | simonrvn | rndc reload\nserver reload successful |
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| 19:20.57 | derrley | stew: in aptitude's UI how do I get rid of a scheduled action |
| 19:21.13 | derrley | stew: it has kernel-image scheduled for removal |
| 19:21.28 | `mac` | host not installed.. |
| 19:21.32 | simonrvn | + on it, make it "installed" again |
| 19:21.36 | `mac` | whats the apt pkg name? |
| 19:21.36 | stew | derrley: ^^ |
| 19:21.45 | `mac` | dig not install nslookup let me see |
| 19:21.47 | oliver_g_ | derrley: or maybe Ctrl + u to undo |
| 19:21.56 | simonrvn | nslookup is deprecated |
| 19:21.57 | `mac` | nothing is installed.. |
| 19:21.57 | stew | `mac`: dnsutils : /msg dpkg search ; /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 19:22.06 | simonrvn | it'll yell at you saying as much |
| 19:22.11 | `mac` | didnt get the bot msg.. |
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| 19:23.07 | simonrvn | he didn't make the bot send you one, either |
| 19:23.19 | jeward | simonrvn: No string listen in named.conf.* on either machine. |
| 19:23.30 | `mac` | bind off.. |
| 19:24.01 | simonrvn | jeward: you need to add the key and reload the conf |
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| 19:24.13 | simonrvn | it's in the manual, bind9-doc |
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| 19:24.33 | mortal1 | before I go to encrypt a drive, do i need to like, randomize it somehow? Or is that not really nessesary? |
| 19:24.33 | derrley | Is there a way to just purge the whole aptitude schedule? |
| 19:24.41 | `mac` | what chmod sould i asign to that key 600? |
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| 19:24.55 | joltcan | mortal1: That will be done when you encrypt it |
| 19:24.56 | derrley | It is leftover from when I stupidly tried to do an install before I realized this system was still running sarge, but had a sources.list pointing to "stable" which is now etch |
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| 19:25.26 | simonrvn | `mac`: i'm talking to jeward |
| 19:25.28 | `mac` | derrley: wan main source.list info? |
| 19:25.40 | benjamindees | someone please remind me what the name is of the d-i add-ons; are they called 'modules' or what? |
| 19:25.40 | oliver_g_ | derrley: maybe go to the schedule view (with g) and press the : key |
| 19:25.42 | `mac` | simonrvn: i know .. i m asking you a question while you talking to him |
| 19:25.47 | mortal1 | joltcan: thanks |
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| 19:26.35 | simonrvn | `mac`: your question only makes sense in the context of jeward's question |
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| 19:26.55 | `mac` | can someone please help me to fix my dns.. |
| 19:27.00 | oliver_g_ | xbindkeys works on desktop but not in fullscreen games :-/ |
| 19:27.09 | oliver_g_ | thanks for the hint anyway |
| 19:27.10 | `mac` | bind is not functioning right, cant even asign a dns |
| 19:27.26 | simonrvn | you want /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:27.56 | `mac` | i put my ip info that bind is going to use but its not working cuz my dna has a issue.. |
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| 19:28.17 | `mac` | not clear on what i can do on this .. |
| 19:28.35 | `mac` | anything that you would like to see to help me on this. that is if you do indeed have time.. |
| 19:28.52 | `mac` | thank you.. |
| 19:31.05 | derrley | ugh, so it seems to be "remembering" that first upgrade I tried to do with my sources pointing at etch. I want to go back to just working in sarge, so I pointed my sources back to sarge. But now every time I try to do anything, aptitude wants to remove the kernel-image I am running. |
| 19:31.59 | `mac` | derrley. wan a see my source.list? |
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| 19:32.11 | `mac` | save yours input main and see if that well take care of it.. |
| 19:32.29 | `mac` | make sure the server its connecting its connectiong whatever country you from.. |
| 19:32.45 | simonrvn | `mac`: to fix it until your named is working again, add another nameserver to /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 19:33.08 | dondelelcaro | derrley: you really should upgrade to etch, though... |
| 19:33.17 | simonrvn | yes, agreed |
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| 19:33.27 | derrley | I don't want to risk 2.4->2.6 without being physically there |
| 19:33.31 | derrley | and I can't do that for awhile |
| 19:33.36 | simonrvn | sarge isn't supported anymore i don't think |
| 19:33.36 | derrley | for right now, I just want to install a package from sarge |
| 19:33.42 | jonaskoelker | hi all |
| 19:33.58 | stew | delight: in aptitude, in the actions menu there is a 'Cancel pending actions' option |
| 19:34.30 | delight | stew ? |
| 19:34.33 | `mac` | simonrvn: i got my gateway ip in their and the ip that bind was going to use, what else could i do? |
| 19:34.33 | stew | delight: but, hitting "+" on the package it wants to remove should also tell it not to remove it |
| 19:34.42 | delight | lol |
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| 19:34.53 | stew | delight: hi, nevermind |
| 19:34.55 | simonrvn | their what? |
| 19:35.08 | stew | derrley: in aptitude, in the actions menu there is a 'Cancel pending actions' option. but, hitting "+" on the package it wants to remove should also tell it not to remove it |
| 19:35.09 | `mac` | resolv.conf.. |
| 19:35.15 | simonrvn | oh, you meant 'there' |
| 19:35.20 | simonrvn | sorry |
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| 19:35.26 | `mac` | my bad dude.. :( |
| 19:35.29 | derrley | stew: I don't see that option |
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| 19:35.38 | simonrvn | np |
| 19:35.53 | derrley | "forget new packages" is grayed out, if that's what you mean |
| 19:35.56 | `mac` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:36.07 | simonrvn | like i said, add another nameserver stanza |
| 19:36.17 | simonrvn | you can have up to 3 in there |
| 19:36.21 | stew | derrley: no, i mean 'Cancel pending actions'. perhaps sarge's aptitude didn't have it. thought it shoudln't matter, "+" should be enough |
| 19:36.27 | jonaskoelker | question: I want to assign IP addresses to eth1:0, eth1:1, ..., eth1:n via dhcp. dhcpcd-bin will assign to eth1 and eth1:0, but fails on eth1:1 (it loops similarly to while sleep 1s; do GET http://rafb.net/p/3GGx7v11.html; done) |
| 19:36.30 | delight | I'd like to install etch on my new harddrive (just arrived 1TB) ;) ... and I want to use encryption is there a way to tell the installer not to overwrite every sector a million times (<<< as I said the hard drive is brand new) |
| 19:36.37 | stew | derrley: and the reason it is trying to remove the kernel is probably becuase it wants to remove initrd-tools |
| 19:36.39 | `mac` | another nameserver, i m not clear on that, what other? |
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| 19:36.48 | jonaskoelker | how do I assign IP addresses via dhcp to several virtual interfaces? |
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| 19:36.54 | simonrvn | e.g. your isp's |
| 19:37.06 | derrley | yeah, when I look at pending actions it still shows a *shit*load of packages being "held back" -- but when I update, nothing happens. It's clearly remembering the update data from etch. |
| 19:37.29 | patarok | hello could somebody tell me how to install a program by using an svn repo? it's about -> d channel #debian |
| 19:37.29 | patarok | <simonrvn> like i said, add another nameserver stanza |
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| 19:37.39 | derrley | stew: ^^ that was to you. |
| 19:37.42 | simonrvn | derrley: it's the deps and versions |
| 19:37.50 | stew | derrley: and you don't want them to be held back? what are you actually trying to do right now? |
| 19:37.54 | simonrvn | patarok: o_O |
| 19:38.01 | BarryAllen | anyone have some expirience with make-kpkg cross compiling ? |
| 19:38.05 | patarok | http://svn.kryogenix.org/svn/jackfield/trunk |
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| 19:38.28 | derrley | stew: I want it to forget that it ever got an updated package list from etch. I basically want to forget that there is anything these packages newer that makes the current versions i'm running "held back" |
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| 19:38.42 | patarok | so you got me i want to install jackfield |
| 19:38.49 | stew | derrley: install the sarge version of the package you installed from etch |
| 19:38.52 | delight | question: I'd like to install etch on my new harddrive (just arrived 1TB) ;) ... and I want to use encryption is there a way to tell the installer not to overwrite every sector a million times (<<< as I said the hard drive is brand new) |
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| 19:39.08 | stew | delight: no, there is no such option in the installer |
| 19:39.18 | `mac` | simone: oh... well i got the MY ISP IP IN resolv.conf |
| 19:39.28 | valdyn | delight: it does that? |
| 19:39.31 | delight | stew: not even on lenny ? |
| 19:39.47 | delight | valdyn: yes if you ask for encrypted partitions ;) |
| 19:39.55 | valdyn | delight: just once i would think. |
| 19:39.56 | delight | valdyn: in general its a good idea |
| 19:40.08 | patarok | I am running lenny and I want to install Jackfield by using the svn |
| 19:40.24 | stew | delight: no, it sounds like a silly thing to do |
| 19:40.28 | delight | valdyn: yes ... but this will take me a complete day just to get the 1TB running :-D |
| 19:40.30 | derrley | stew: i literally can't do anything without it wanting to remove the kernel |
| 19:40.34 | jonaskoelker | delight: why is it a good idea? To not reveal which sectors are used? |
| 19:40.53 | stew | derrley: show us what happens when you run "aptitude install kernel-image-$(uname -r) |
| 19:40.57 | valdyn | delight: i dont think you need to encrypt the whole disk |
| 19:41.00 | epsilon | I get error on building madwifi (vanilla): "Makefile.inc:66: *** /lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/build is missing, please set KERNELPATH. Stop" - do I need to install the kernel source? |
| 19:41.03 | stew | derrley: use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:41.11 | chops | delight: I thought you could do that; I seem to remember setting up encryption on a big disk and opting not to rewrite the partition from the debian installer |
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| 19:41.18 | stew | epsilon: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:41.25 | delight | jonaskoelker: you are right about that ... but I guess the sector rewrite is more about not beeing able to reconstruct old data ... not to hide which sectors are used |
| 19:41.27 | chops | delight: I mean, if you're looking at it right now and it insists that you do it, I'm probably wrong :-) |
| 19:42.32 | derrley | stew: aah that last upgrade had borked initrd-tools |
| 19:42.35 | jonaskoelker | delight: hm... so someone *should* file a bug saying "please, as an option, enable the [don't shred the 'crypted disk] button" |
| 19:42.36 | derrley | stew: reinstalling that did the trick |
| 19:42.40 | delight | chops: no i don't ... i just remember it from the last time i installed etch encrypted ... and the disk was way smaller ... so I came here to ask before i start (could not find good info on google) |
| 19:43.02 | chops | delight: IIRC it lets you not rewrite the whole disk. It complains that it'll be less secure but it lets you do it. |
| 19:43.14 | jonaskoelker | are any of you good with networks? |
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| 19:43.24 | chops | delight: If I'm misremembering, then that deserves a wishlist bug, yes... it certainly _should_ be a supported option. |
| 19:43.26 | delight | chops: sounds good |
| 19:43.29 | stew | jonaskoelker: just assume yes and ask your real question |
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| 19:43.35 | dbmood2 | is the 64bit version of debian etch still to be avoided ? |
| 19:43.42 | dbmood2 | d64 |
| 19:43.45 | dbmood2 | !amd64 |
| 19:43.45 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 19:43.51 | jonaskoelker | 21:36 <jonaskoelker> how do I assign IP addresses via dhcp to several virtual interfaces? |
| 19:44.02 | delight | chops: well i'll give it a try .. and when I'm done I'll report or fill a bug |
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| 19:44.13 | stew | dbmood2: if you plan to use non-free software such as sun's java browser plugin, or flash |
| 19:44.19 | dbmood2 | yes... |
| 19:44.33 | chops | dbmood2: Depends on what you need to do. It's perfectly stable but it's difficult to install certain non-free software on, and in many common configurations there's no real advantage over i386. |
| 19:44.34 | jonaskoelker | 21:36 <jonaskoelker> question: I want to assign IP addresses to eth1:0, eth1:1, ..., eth1:n via dhcp. dhcpcd-bin will assign to eth1 and eth1:0, but fails on eth1:1 (it loops similarly to while sleep 1s; do GET http://rafb.net/p/3GGx7v11.html; done) |
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| 19:44.56 | stew | dbmood2: no good 64 bit java browser plugin exists. gnash is a free flash alternative that is somewhat effective but there is no non-free flash for 64 bit |
| 19:44.59 | phorce1 | This is only semi on topic because the box will be running Debian. But, if you were building around an Intel core and your choices were a new Core2 Duo for $100 or an "ES" Core2 Quad for $175 which would you choose? (Desktop toy, ot mission critical) |
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| 19:45.05 | dondelelcaro | jonaskoelker: uh... why are you doing that? |
| 19:45.08 | dbmood2 | ok... can't i run stuff in an i386 environment ? |
| 19:45.28 | jonaskoelker | dondelelcaro: for fun and profit |
| 19:45.38 | dbmood2 | the guad |
| 19:45.42 | dbmood2 | quad it has more |
| 19:45.44 | chops | jonaskoelker: Sounds like a bug |
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| 19:46.05 | dondelelcaro | jonaskoelker: well, dhcp in general doesn't like to assign multiple addresses to the same mac without client identifiers. So what you're trying to do is non-trivial, and requires both the client and the server to cooperate. |
| 19:46.33 | phorce1 | note the fact that the quad is not new, it is an "ES" (engineering sample) chip. |
| 19:46.45 | mortal1 | I did a 'cd check' on my install cd, and it said it was corrupt, but the md5sum checks out for the iso file, does that mean that the media is the culprit |
| 19:46.47 | mortal1 | ? |
| 19:46.50 | chops | dondelelcaro: Can't he hack up eth1:1 to have a different MAC than eth1:0? |
| 19:46.59 | dbmood2 | yes |
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| 19:47.47 | benjamindees | mortal1, yes, or hardware drivers, or burning software, etc... |
| 19:48.01 | Khalsa | Howdy ya'll. I was wondering if anyone knew of some way to measure bandwidth usage per-user (Debian etch server) |
| 19:48.12 | mortal1 | benjamindees: ok thanks, I'll try burning again at a slower speed |
| 19:48.13 | dbmood2 | ntop ? ... |
| 19:48.13 | stew | dbmood2: yes, you can install a 32 bit chroot to run such stuff |
| 19:48.23 | jonaskoelker | chops: trying ifconfig eth1:1 1.2.3.4 hw ether 00:ca:fe:ba:be:00 sets the macaddr of all eth1:* ... |
| 19:48.24 | stew | chops: not afaik |
| 19:48.30 | dbmood2 | oh .... that would suck sort of stew no ? |
| 19:48.48 | benjamindees | mortal1, if you have the ability you can try verifying the cd on different hardware, for instance |
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| 19:49.03 | stew | dbmood2: what do you mean by suck? i do it, and it seems to work just fine |
| 19:49.10 | dbmood2 | really ? |
| 19:49.14 | dondelelcaro | chops: not without driver support, and I don't know of many drivers that handle multiple macs. |
| 19:49.33 | chops | dondelelcaro: Makes sense |
| 19:49.38 | dbmood2 | but that means i need to install a lot of stuff to get very little -- like firefox might depend on blah |
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| 19:50.05 | dondelelcaro | jonaskoelker: if you actually need multiple ips, the general method is to just assign them statically. [Since that almost always means you're dealing with some kind of server, it's also the only really sane way to deal with it.] |
| 19:50.10 | Khalsa | dbmood2: thanks, I'll check it out (also, d'oh!) |
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| 19:50.14 | stew | dbmood2: yes you need install a completely separate install of debian |
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| 19:50.27 | dbmood2 | that is fine i already have one ;_) |
| 19:50.45 | dbmood2 | stew any tips on replacing hardy with lenny remotely |
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| 19:51.00 | dbmood2 | the computer is in a draw -- i can reboot into etch |
| 19:51.12 | jonaskoelker | dondelelcaro: well, I think my ISP might dislike me if I just grab IP addresses without telling them ^_^ |
| 19:51.14 | dondelelcaro | (and if you need a whole crapload, you don't use eth0:1 et al, anyway; you just use ip addr add 1.2.3.4/32 dev eth0; or similar |
| 19:51.15 | benjamindees | is there some authoritative way to find out which packages are gpg signed and which aren't, or which ones include md5sums and which don't? |
| 19:51.28 | hansy | hi. I want to make a list of all the packages I got installed from experimental. I tried 'aptitude search ~Aexperimental~i -F %p', but that lists all packages available from experimental which I have installed, even if I got the version from sid. |
| 19:51.34 | dondelelcaro | jonaskoelker: uh... if you're talking about getting multiple addresses from your isp, doubly so. |
| 19:51.43 | dbmood2 | yes benjamindees debsum can help but not after they have been installed |
| 19:51.50 | jonaskoelker | dondelelcaro: doubly what? |
| 19:51.55 | dbmood2 | jonaskoelker: -- ipv6 |
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| 19:52.16 | benjamindees | dbmood2, by authoritative, I mean something on debian.org or somewhere not on my personal machine... |
| 19:52.25 | dondelelcaro | jonaskoelker: doubly so. Your ISP gives you a specific number of addresses, generally one. If they're not static, there's no point to having more than one IP anyway. |
| 19:52.32 | dbmood2 | ah..... what do you think apt-get does ? |
| 19:52.48 | dbmood2 | -- and what the gpg / blah complains afterwards |
| 19:52.56 | hansy | I looked into dpkg-query too of course, but didn't even find anything to try there |
| 19:53.01 | dbmood2 | adding sources ... |
| 19:53.23 | dondelelcaro | hansy: there's no way to tell directly from which source a package came from. |
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| 19:53.27 | benjamindees | dbmood2, let me rephrase; I want to know which packages *should* be signed or have md5sums, not which ones actually do... |
| 19:53.54 | dondelelcaro | hansy: there isn't any difference between those packages which are listed with the same version anyway, so it's not like it matters. |
| 19:53.59 | jonaskoelker | dondelelcaro: I can think of a good point: bandwidth caps are per-ip :D |
| 19:54.10 | dondelelcaro | jonaskoelker: uh... not unless your ISP is stupid |
| 19:54.14 | jonaskoelker | :D |
| 19:54.32 | dondelelcaro | (and if they're that braindead, you should switch, since their service is likely to not be reliable) |
| 19:54.33 | dbmood2 | benjamindees: good lord the sky is falling |
| 19:54.47 | dbmood2 | do you know about md5sums ? |
| 19:54.50 | jonaskoelker | dondelelcaro: well, I would, but then I'd have to move |
| 19:54.50 | dbmood2 | !md5sum |
| 19:54.51 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 19:54.52 | hansy | dondelelcaro: huh? I meant that the aptitude command I got displays a package, even if I got the version from sid, not the one from experimental, so there clearly is a difference |
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| 19:54.58 | dbmood2 | !md5 |
| 19:55.00 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 19:55.04 | dbmood2 | drat sorry |
| 19:55.15 | dbmood2 | !md5 checksum |
| 19:55.16 | grand_grunt | !md5 |
| 19:55.17 | dpkg | 226190d94b21d1b0c7b1a42d855e419d |
| 19:55.17 | hansy | dondelelcaro: but ok, I guess I could use the output of said aptitude search and feed that to apt-cache policy and parse that |
| 19:55.18 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 19:55.20 | dondelelcaro | hansy: the same package is available from two different sources. |
| 19:55.29 | hansy | dondelelcaro: but in different versions |
| 19:55.29 | dondelelcaro | folks, if you need to harass the bot, do it in /msg |
| 19:55.30 | dbmood2 | i think it is just your name md5ed |
| 19:55.30 | grand_grunt | What md5 is that? |
| 19:55.56 | asdfasdfasdfsadf | test |
| 19:55.57 | stew | dbmood2: that is null md5. the second one was the md5 of 'checksum' |
| 19:56.01 | asdfasdfasdfsadf | !md5 |
| 19:56.03 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 19:56.06 | dondelelcaro | hansy: if it's different versions of the package, then it's not the version which is installed. |
| 19:56.10 | asdfasdfasdfsadf | yes it is |
| 19:56.15 | stew | asdfasdfasdfsadf: run "md5sum /dev/null" |
| 19:56.30 | grand_grunt | stew: lol |
| 19:56.31 | dbmood2 | oh cool |
| 19:56.33 | dondelelcaro | or echo -n|md5sum - |
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| 19:56.54 | stew | that is one md5sum i've learned to recognize |
| 19:56.57 | grand_grunt | stew: a "default" md5? |
| 19:57.03 | hansy | dondelelcaro: i'm afraid I have no idea what you mean |
| 19:57.08 | dbmood2 | stew how do i go about installing etch and remove hardy from blah disk |
| 19:57.24 | stew | dbmood2: "/msg dpkg ig" for the etch install guide |
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| 19:57.47 | dbmood2 | debootstrap --- i don't like the lack of gui for grub (only thing that i don't like) |
| 19:57.50 | benjamindees | hmm apt-get update seems to have solved my problem; so I'm assuming the signed/unsigned status of each packaged is contained therein... |
| 19:57.53 | hansy | dondelelcaro: the aptitude search I have prints the name of a given package, no matter if the version I have installed is the one from sid or the one from experimental. And I only want the packages of which I have the experimental-version |
| 19:59.39 | sier | hehe |
| 19:59.39 | Pusselgenerator | Woh |
| 19:59.39 | benjamindees | that's what they get for screwing with dpkg |
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| 20:00.25 | hansy | dondelelcaro: but ok, since you said that this information is not directly available, I guess taking said aptitude output and then using apt-cache policy to find out if the version I got is from sid or experimental is the way to go? |
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| 20:02.36 | dondelelcaro | hansy: if you just wnat to know if the version that you've got instaleld could possibly come from experimental, aptitude search '~Aexperimental?version(CURRENT)' |
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| 20:03.01 | dondelelcaro | hansy: what I meant is that there's no way to see whether a specific package installed came from source A or B if it's available from source A and B. |
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| 20:04.21 | moos3 | can anyone tell me what this means E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 20:04.26 | dondelelcaro | !mmap |
| 20:04.26 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 20:04.46 | stew | moos3: it usually means that you have sources in your sources.list that are redundant and that you should remove |
| 20:05.04 | dondelelcaro | or you're running a very old version of apt-get |
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| 20:06.08 | hansy | dondelelcaro: hm, that does not print out anything. But I just verified that I have at least one package installed in the version which is the currently newest in experimental |
| 20:06.16 | moos3 | is there a easy way to go from ecth to sidy |
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| 20:06.28 | dondelelcaro | moos3: in general, if you're asking that question, you should upgrade first to testing. |
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| 20:06.49 | ia64 | guys, where does Debian list the default PHP modules? I get dozen or so loaded but I don't see where |
| 20:07.05 | moos3 | k |
| 20:07.22 | benjamindees | so, I'm wondering, how can apt-get give me "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated" on a package that it hasn't downloaded yet and has never been installed? |
| 20:08.01 | stew | benjamindees: by seeing that it comes from a repository who's release file was not signed, or was signed by a key not in the keyring |
| 20:08.35 | stew | benjamindees: the packages themselves aren't signed. the md5s of the repostory indexes are |
| 20:08.46 | hansy | dondelelcaro: and ~Aexperimental~VCURRENT prints the exact same packages as ~Aexperimental~i (meaning, also the ones of which I just have the newest version available in sid |
| 20:08.50 | benjamindees | stew, the only repositories I have are security.debian.org, ftp.us.debian.org, and backports.org; and I have debian-archive-keyring installed |
| 20:09.03 | hansy | dondelelcaro: so, really feeding aptitude ouput to apt-cache policy perhaps? |
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| 20:09.26 | stew | benjamindees: then it is either the backports.org repository, or you haven't run 'aptitude update' or 'apt-get update' since installing the keys |
| 20:09.42 | BarryAllen | hi, anyone have some expirience with make-kpkg cross compiling ? |
| 20:10.06 | benjamindees | stew, okay so it is possible that the package is a newer version than the one last reported during apt-get update; I see |
| 20:10.23 | stew | benjamindees: which package? |
| 20:10.30 | benjamindees | stew, subversion |
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| 20:10.57 | stew | benjamindees: so it is saying, "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated: subversion" ? |
| 20:11.07 | vjoe | hey |
| 20:11.12 | benjamindees | stew, yes, subversion and about four of its dependencies |
| 20:11.28 | stew | benjamindees: which version is listed as Candidate; in "apt-cache policy subversion"? |
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| 20:11.50 | dondelelcaro | hansy: aptitude search '?narrow(?archive(experimental),?version(CURRENT))' |
| 20:11.52 | benjamindees | stew, I've run apt-get update since then; but lemme see |
| 20:11.58 | dondelelcaro | hansy: forgot the narrow that is required. |
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| 20:12.27 | stew | benjamindees: if you hadn't run "apt-get update" since installing the debian-archive-keyring package, that would explain it |
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| 20:12.59 | benjamindees | stew, candidate is 1.4.2dfsg1-2, the same as the version it just got done installing |
| 20:13.27 | benjamindees | stew, like I said apt-get update got rid of the warning |
| 20:14.37 | hansy | dondelelcaro: ah! sorry for not comming up with that myself and thank you very much :) |
| 20:15.35 | ia64 | guys, can I disable the default PHP extensions somehow? they are not listed in any of the ini files |
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| 20:17.23 | roger_ | ia64: Not sure I can help but is there a specific extension you wish to disable |
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| 20:19.20 | jonaskoe1ker | to all of you who gave it to me, thanks for your attention |
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| 20:20.27 | quickone | anybody wanna help me really quick? all I need to know is how to make it so my clipboard isn't cleared when i exit a program such as firefox |
| 20:20.41 | quickone | it's pissing me off.. i keep trying to copy past links and such |
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| 20:21.21 | benjamindees | quickone, use a clipboard manager like klipper |
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| 20:21.30 | quickone | :c |
| 20:21.39 | quickone | there's no easy way to just change a setting? |
| 20:22.30 | stew | quickone: no, you need some app to provide the clipboard data. if the app providing it goes away, so does the data. so if you want data to live beyond the life of the app, you'll need a clipboard app like klipper or glipper |
| 20:23.01 | quickone | alright that makes sense |
| 20:23.06 | benjamindees | quickone, x11 has no persistent clipboard like windows does |
| 20:23.18 | ia64 | guys, can I disable some PHP modules I dont need? Debian preconfigured dozens of them |
| 20:23.32 | stew | ia64: what is an example of one you'd like to disable? |
| 20:23.43 | madclicker | hi, how can i clean the arp table? |
| 20:23.49 | ia64 | session, bcmath, bz2.. |
| 20:23.59 | stew | madclicker: man arp |
| 20:24.07 | valdyn | ia64: debian has no php stuff by default? |
| 20:24.27 | ia64 | it does, too many! and I don't see where it is set up (I guess preconfigured) |
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| 20:24.56 | valdyn | ia64: "installed" maybe |
| 20:25.17 | ia64 | they are not installed as individual packages, they are just "there" |
| 20:25.22 | madclicker | stew, it keeps talking about "hostname" there is no hostname jus t ip address |
| 20:25.26 | valdyn | ia64: so you installed more than you want |
| 20:25.31 | valdyn | ia64: how do you know that? |
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| 20:26.00 | stew | madclicker: but in the exmples it is using an ip address in places where it says a hostname should be specified |
| 20:26.20 | ia64 | valdyn - I run phpinfo() and seen them but none of the contained .ini files listed these extensions - so I cannot disable hem |
| 20:27.13 | stew | ia64: afaik you'd have to recompile php5 |
| 20:27.35 | madclicker | stew, my man for arp (etch) has no examples |
| 20:27.57 | ia64 | stew - it will just install with these defaults extensions I guess |
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| 20:28.40 | stew | madclicker: "arp -d 1.2.3.4" works |
| 20:28.42 | benjamindees | for HOST in $(arp |awk '{print $1}'); do arp -d $HOST; done |
| 20:29.07 | quickone | okay sorry to bug you over this but i apt-got glipper |
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| 20:29.19 | epsilon | error message[tm]: "*** ARCH mismatch: supplied "x86", determined "i386". Stop." |
| 20:29.32 | lunaphyte_ | how can i find the package that will give me the php5 fileinfo extension? |
| 20:29.34 | quickone | but i can't find it anywhere.. not in usr/bin or my home folder or anywhere in my menu items.. |
| 20:29.42 | quickone | how do i make it active or whatever? |
| 20:29.44 | ia64 | valdyn/stew - just installed on a different server - same set of default extensions |
| 20:30.16 | roger_ | ia64: You can check php pakcages installed by dpkg --get-selections | grep php | grep install |
| 20:30.18 | valdyn | ia64: maybe you want to disable_classes |
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| 20:31.09 | ia64 | roger: it lists the apache module and only 2 of the ones I installed myself |
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| 20:31.19 | ia64 | valdyn: what's that? |
| 20:31.42 | valdyn | ia64: read /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 20:31.44 | roger_ | ia64: good. worth a check though. Hmm apache modules so your using mod_php right? |
| 20:31.55 | valdyn | ia64: or something like that on etch for php4 i guess |
| 20:31.59 | Tramp | quickone: huh? glipper installs the binary to /usr/bin/glipper. |
| 20:32.12 | madclicker | hi, how can i fkush the arp table? |
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| 20:32.22 | quickone | nm i found it |
| 20:32.37 | benjamindees | madclicker, for HOST in $(arp |awk '{print $1}'); do arp -d $HOST; done |
| 20:32.42 | quickone | realized it's run as an aplet in yoru taskbar |
| 20:32.45 | ia64 | valdyn: I have been there, none of the lines there actually load the extensions, only change their settings |
| 20:32.53 | Tramp | madclicker: ip neigh flush <arguments> -- see man ip for details |
| 20:32.55 | ia64 | roger: yes I'm using mod_php |
| 20:33.17 | valdyn | ia64: far as i can see those "extensions" are compiled in features |
| 20:33.26 | valdyn | ia64: you couldnt unload that |
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| 20:33.47 | fugit | benjamindees: nice, lighting fast on the arp question :-) |
| 20:33.49 | ia64 | valdyn: so I need to get a slimmer package? |
| 20:34.00 | roger_ | ia64: I thnk you going to have to recompile from source if you cant disable want you want in the.ini with disable_classes |
| 20:34.04 | valdyn | ia64: why do you need this at all? |
| 20:34.12 | quickone | nice works great now. |
| 20:34.15 | quickone | thanks guys |
| 20:34.22 | quickone | knew it would be something simple |
| 20:34.38 | chops | So I have a server which is sometimes slower than it should be at 'nc -l -p 6060 < /dev/zero' (it's on a gigabit network and gets 50 MB/s sometimes, which is fine for me, but gets 5 MB/s sometimes under heavy other network load, which is not). I could easily see this being a problem with network cabling or on the client side, but I'd like to install a very good (and well supported under Debian) gigabit card to eliminate driver/card trouble as a possibility. |
| 20:34.40 | valdyn | ia64: you can disable specific classes in the config, for a php binary with different features compiled in you need to recompile |
| 20:34.41 | madclicker | benjamindees, how you get hostname? |
| 20:34.42 | ia64 | valdyn - there are around 16 extensions loaded - extra memory for each apache thread plus some are really annoying |
| 20:34.59 | chops | Can anyone recommend a gigabit card which is more or less the "best" for use with Debian? |
| 20:35.15 | valdyn | ia64: i doubt the memory is significant |
| 20:35.24 | valdyn | ia64: you just seem to think it is |
| 20:35.37 | roger_ | Hmm speaking of keeping php lightweight is there anyway of using php with fastcgi on debain? |
| 20:35.59 | valdyn | roger_: there's a package for that.. |
| 20:36.05 | roger_ | In etch? |
| 20:36.24 | ia64 | valdyn - more like 28 modules - still insignifacnt? |
| 20:36.34 | benjamindees | madclicker, arp |awk '{print $1}' |
| 20:36.41 | valdyn | ia64: i guess yes, i didnt benchmark this |
| 20:37.26 | roger_ | ia64: pretty much 'cos they be it the text elf section, so ther'll prolly be shared amongst the processes - they'll onl.y takemore memory up if you actually call them |
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| 20:38.39 | roger_ | valdyn: which pkg? I can't find it. WHat am I missing (loking in etch) |
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| 20:38.55 | poseidon | Does anyone here know the apt id for pygtk? |
| 20:39.00 | valdyn | !info libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 20:39.01 | valdyn | !info libapache2-mod-fastcgi etch |
| 20:39.23 | roger_ | valdyn: wht about the php call side though? |
| 20:39.33 | stew | poseidon: apt-cache search pygtk |
| 20:39.36 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-fastcgi: (Apache 2 FastCGI module for long-running CGI scripts), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 2.4.2-8 (etch), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 20:39.38 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-fastcgi: (Apache 2 FastCGI module for long-running CGI scripts), section non-free/web, is optional. Version: 2.4.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 272 kB |
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| 20:40.35 | stew | !info libapache2-mod-fcgid etch |
| 20:40.35 | valdyn | roger_: i only have quite rudimentary knowledge there - i run lighthttpd, with the mods: fastcgi and php works fine. |
| 20:40.37 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-fcgid: (an alternative module compat with mod_fastcgi), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.10-2 (etch), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 112 kB |
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| 20:40.43 | valdyn | roger_: whatever that means for apache2 and what you need |
| 20:40.45 | stew | ^^ fcgid is the free alternative |
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| 20:41.30 | valdyn | stew: and is of comparable quality? |
| 20:41.48 | sandman | Is there an opensource way of streaming video to many clients at once |
| 20:41.56 | sandman | To sort of setup an internet TV station, of sorts? |
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| 20:42.20 | stew | valdyn: i don't know |
| 20:42.31 | chops | sandman: apt-cache search stream video server |
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| 20:43.08 | roger_ | valdyn: so does php on debian have fastcgi support compiled in then |
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| 20:44.37 | valdyn | roger_: looks like it |
| 20:44.59 | sandman | chops: Wow. Peercast |
| 20:45.04 | sandman | I never even knew it existed |
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| 20:45.15 | benjamindees | !info vlc-nox |
| 20:45.17 | chops | sandman: Nor I. The magic of apt-cache search :-). |
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| 20:45.26 | dpkg | vlc-nox: (multimedia player and streamer (without X support)), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.6.e-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 4711 kB, Installed size: 12604 kB |
| 20:45.57 | manu_hack | hi, when I run update-locale, I got error Please check that your locale settings: |
| 20:46.01 | manu_hack | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.03 | manu_hack | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.06 | manu_hack | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.08 | manu_hack | sorry |
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| 20:46.23 | valdyn | !locales |
| 20:46.24 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 20:47.09 | manu_hack | dpkg: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 20:47.09 | dpkg | that's too long, manu_hack |
| 20:47.15 | manu_hack | yup, I know |
| 20:47.30 | manu_hack | sorry for that, I press the wrong thing |
| 20:47.33 | valdyn | manu_hack: so fix your installation before you think about setting locales |
| 20:47.41 | jxl | hi, could it be that the (sid) repo is a bit crazy atm (because of gcc update?) or did i break something? :) |
| 20:47.56 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 20:47.56 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (backup) |
| 20:48.02 | stew | jxl: its a bit crazy at the momennt becuase of the perl transistion |
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| 20:48.36 | jxl | ah ok, that's what's causing all the dependencies issues then i guess, thanks! |
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| 20:49.06 | petteyg | anybody know if it's possible to get text_userdb_names working in vsftpd? |
| 20:49.12 | mrfree | hi all |
| 20:50.22 | mrfree | I'm using foomatic-gui to add my printer but even if I click apply and no errors appears the list remains empty. cups log reports CUPS-Get-Classes client-error-not-found |
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| 20:50.49 | sidewalk | anyone around who can help me with graphics card for hppa? |
| 20:51.50 | gangsterlicious | if mdadm already have 2 active devices on RAID1 and i want to add 2 more (not hot-spare). how do i go by doing that? |
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| 20:52.06 | gangsterlicious | it kept adding it as hot-spare |
| 20:52.27 | valdyn | gangsterlicious: you want to add more mirrors? |
| 20:52.51 | valdyn | gangsterlicious: read the manpage, just adding does do that.. |
| 20:52.55 | gangsterlicious | that's correct. mdadm --misc --detail shows total devices as 2 |
| 20:52.56 | valdyn | gangsterlicious: read the manpage, just adding does _not_ do that.. |
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| 20:53.02 | Sake | how do I check the health of a disk? I'm setting up a backup server that's being mirrored on a usb drive, I'd like to check the health of the machine's HD and the usb drive's HD daily so I can detect/replace busted hard drives early. |
| 20:53.02 | joltcan | gangsterlicious: the correct way would have been to use LVM on top of the md |
| 20:53.03 | gangsterlicious | valdyn: hmmm.... alright, thanks |
| 20:54.04 | cahoot | Sake: like smartmontools? |
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| 20:54.38 | vonnis | hi |
| 20:54.41 | Sake | cahoot: I have no idea... I guess? |
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| 20:55.20 | cahoot | Sake: aptitude show smartmontools |
| 20:56.45 | valdyn | gangsterlicious: what you are looking for is "grow" or "GROW MODE" |
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| 20:57.52 | abrotman | cahoot: not super reliable though |
| 20:57.54 | gangsterlicious | oic, thanks |
| 20:58.06 | cahoot | abrotman: what is? |
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| 20:59.05 | valdyn | gangsterlicious: do you understand what you are trying to do anyway? raid1 with 4 disks isnt going to be fast writing.. |
| 20:59.46 | valdyn | gangsterlicious: just fast in reads for 4+ concurrent reads |
| 20:59.50 | unsolo | ok i changed from gfs2 to ocfs2 |
| 20:59.55 | unsolo | it seemed more sane |
| 21:00.12 | abrotman | chops: smartmon |
| 21:00.21 | Ryan52 | I want to combine raid, lvm, and encryption. What is the best way to do that? disks => raid => encryption => lvm? |
| 21:00.52 | valdyn | Ryan52: theres no best |
| 21:00.55 | gangsterlicious | valdyn: it's just testing environment so i can learn about mdadm and lvm |
| 21:01.32 | chops | abrotman: Not me |
| 21:01.54 | Ryan52 | valdyn: but what way would you do it if you were going to do it? |
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| 21:03.54 | Ryan52 | and how do I setup the encryption(what manual page/package do I need)? I know how to do lvm and raid. Im not using the debian installer for this. |
| 21:04.14 | valdyn | Ryan52: disks -> encrypt -> raid -> lvm probably |
| 21:04.19 | valdyn | Ryan52: see cryptsetup |
| 21:04.37 | Ryan52 | valdyn: thanks! |
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| 21:05.15 | valdyn | Ryan52: though for a mirroring raid exchanging raid and encrypt is faster |
| 21:05.17 | rudenstam | anyone got experience of using pata_marvell with 88SE6145 ? I upgraded to lenny and tried with both 2.6.22 and 2.6.24... I get this in dmesg -> http://pastebin.com/d7eca1d65 |
| 21:05.21 | roger_ | valdyn: Thats a sceurity hole -as if you use diffeenrt keys for the disks there is a differenatll attack possilbe - and if you don't it the same as raid but slower (more cpu used) |
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| 21:06.19 | valdyn | roger_: true |
| 21:06.41 | roger_ | valdyn: s/diffeenrt/different/; s/differenatll/differential/ |
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| 21:07.37 | Wing_ | Yay for 5:00 on Fridays. I have a box that died a horrible, horrible death. I migrated its install to a (different hardware) box using dd, reconfigured grub and the drive mounts, etc. The new replacement box doesn't have any network connectivity. |
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| 21:08.26 | Wing_ | And for whatever reason, it never had ifconfig (and obviously lacking network connectivity, adding it is... tough) |
| 21:08.41 | valdyn | Ryan52: i think i might encrypt on top, but disks need to be overwritten before usage, not logical volumes |
| 21:09.27 | Ryan52 | valdyn: so what I originally said? |
| 21:09.27 | Wing_ | So, what do I do to A) See if the OS can even see the NIC and B) Make it use the damn thing. |
| 21:09.44 | valdyn | Ryan52: just lvm -> encrypt |
| 21:09.45 | chops | Hm, so since no one recommended a gigabit card for me... are the Intel eepro cards generally a good bet? |
| 21:10.17 | stew | chops: yes |
| 21:10.19 | benjamindees | chops, I was going to recommend them since the drivers are relatively stable but I have little experience using them |
| 21:10.26 | roger_ | ryan52: yes, or use a encypted fs on top of lvm depending on what secutiry level you need |
| 21:10.41 | chops | stew, benjamindees: Okay, I'll plan to get one of those then. Thanks! |
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| 21:10.44 | Ryan52 | whats the benefit of doing it that way? |
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| 21:11.09 | valdyn | Ryan52: being able to unlock specific logical volumes |
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| 21:11.25 | valdyn | Ryan52: which refers to specific filesystems |
| 21:12.04 | alarm_ | hello. i want to install through kpackage "gwenview" , but when i do that, the package manager automaticaly selects many other packages that i dont want to install, like k3b , kooka, korganizer , kmail and others. |
| 21:12.13 | alarm_ | how can i just isntall gwen view ? |
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| 21:12.36 | valdyn | Ryan52: while encrypt -> lvm would imply that you unlock all or none |
| 21:12.50 | Ryan52 | valdyn: So if Im only gonna have 1 logical volume its fine to do "disks -> raid1 -> encrypt -> lvm -> ext3"? |
| 21:12.59 | Wing_ | What package includes ifconfig? |
| 21:13.09 | valdyn | Ryan52: then it doesnt make a difference, right |
| 21:13.30 | Ryan52 | Wing_: net-tools |
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| 21:14.36 | benjamindees | alarm_, you can try using synaptic instead |
| 21:14.51 | Wyzard | Ryan52: That's the configuration I'm using, except raid5 instead of raid1 |
| 21:14.52 | alarm_ | what would be the difference ? |
| 21:15.11 | Wyzard | Ryan52: but you can't actually do that with etch's installer, due to a bug in its partitioner |
| 21:15.23 | benjamindees | alarm_, I'm assuming it wouldn't force you to install a bunch of kde programs, if that's what kpackage is really doing |
| 21:15.37 | Ryan52 | Wyzard: you can work around it though. |
| 21:15.50 | alarm_ | okie , is synaptic a gui application and easy to use |
| 21:15.50 | alarm_ | ? |
| 21:15.56 | Wyzard | Ryan52: How so? |
| 21:16.01 | Ryan52 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto |
| 21:16.04 | benjamindees | alarm_, yes |
| 21:16.10 | roger_ | wyzard: there is always debootstrap |
| 21:16.15 | Wyzard | ah, ok |
| 21:16.19 | alarm_ | ok , i will install it and see how it is |
| 21:16.21 | Wyzard | roger_: yeah, but I'm talking about D-I |
| 21:16.27 | Wing_ | Ryan52: Thanks. Now I just need to figure out how to get it onto a system that doesn't have network, doesn't see its USB ports, and doesn't have an optical :P |
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| 21:16.52 | Ryan52 | Wing_: floppy disk? |
| 21:16.53 | `mac` | could someone please tell me how i can fix mod-security.. having error msg on manul config try to apt didnt work.. got error on that as well.. |
| 21:17.02 | Wing_ | Ryan52: My workstation doesn't have one of those. |
| 21:17.08 | Wyzard | Ryan52: interesting to know about, but I'm concerned about where it says it makes it "impossible to boot" the installed system... the problem is such that even the partitioning tool screws up |
| 21:17.19 | Wing_ | I love unsolveable problems. |
| 21:17.27 | chops | stew, benjamindees: Hm... so google products doesn't seem to return results for 'etherexpress 1000'. The only cards explicitly listed as etherexpress cards are 100mbit cards. Are the PRO/1000 cards the ones that you would recommend? Some of them are desktop cards ranging down to $40 (which would make me very happy if those are in fact that best kind of cards to get for super-reliable high transfer speeds on a server, of course :-). |
| 21:17.34 | alarm_ | benjamindees, fine, but as much i see its a gnome application and it wants me to install also lots of gnome libs |
| 21:17.40 | Ryan52 | oh. |
| 21:18.26 | Wyzard | Ryan52: It treats the crypt-on-RAID device as a raw hard drive, something that you'd want to put a BIOS partition table on, rather than as a partition that you'd want to put a filesystem or LVM PV on |
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| 21:18.41 | benjamindees | alarm_, afaik it is not gnome, but just gtk |
| 21:18.53 | Wyzard | Ryan52: unless that changed between the last release candidate and the actual final etch installer, I suppose |
| 21:19.22 | Wyzard | Ryan52: so you can make the cyrpt-on-RAID device, but you can't set up whatever filesystem(s) you want within it |
| 21:19.23 | alarm_ | u are right, its a gtk , but why do i need libs like that then : libgnome2-0 |
| 21:19.24 | alarm_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:20.27 | Ryan52 | Wyzard: oh. Thats why I install to an extra hd. Boot off of that. Manually partition my real disks and then rsync everything over. |
| 21:20.41 | Ryan52 | also its more educational... |
| 21:20.45 | Wyzard | Ryan52: That's a pain though |
| 21:20.53 | `mac` | thank you.. |
| 21:20.59 | Ryan52 | Wyzard: but its sooo much fun! |
| 21:21.19 | Ryan52 | has a different definition of fun than normal people |
| 21:21.24 | Wyzard | Ryan52: I set up my current system using a beta version of the etch installer, from before the bug was introduced... if I need to to do it again, I'd take a look at the lenny installer |
| 21:22.13 | Wyzard | Ryan52: though the process you describe isn't far from what I used on my laptop, which has been using lvm-on-crypto since about a year before D-I supported it at all |
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| 21:24.36 | roger_ | Does the Lenny installed work if the Cd is in a SATA Cd/dvd drive, I 've not got the etch installer to work like this (It looks like the sata drivers are allin udebs) |
| 21:24.41 | `mac` | wondering how i can fix this issue . |
| 21:24.48 | `mac` | could someone please tell me how i can fix mod-security.. having error msg on manul config try to apt didnt work.. got error on that as well.. |
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| 21:25.36 | AcTiVaTe | I'm having problems with proftpd. But when trying to upgrade the package it wants to remove a package I need to keep. Anyway I can get around this? Coz atm proftpd is not or barely working. |
| 21:26.08 | Ryan52 | AcTiVaTe: whats the other package |
| 21:26.15 | `mac` | http://pastebin.hyedomain.com//view.php?id=16 <--- this is what i m getting.. |
| 21:26.17 | AcTiVaTe | Ryan52: Confixx |
| 21:26.46 | Ryan52 | AcTiVaTe: why are you using ftp? Its very insecure. |
| 21:27.35 | chops | AcTiVaTe: Can you pastebin your upgrade command and the full output of that command, please? |
| 21:27.36 | AcTiVaTe | Ryan52: I just started doing admin of the server. And atm I just want to get it in decent working order |
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| 21:28.03 | webPragmatist | hey guys i had a quick question about iptables |
| 21:28.15 | Ryan52 | webPragmatist: ask it..dont ask to ask. |
| 21:28.22 | webPragmatist | I'm introducing my question :) |
| 21:28.35 | Ryan52 | oh. |
| 21:28.36 | webPragmatist | is Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT) a good method ?.... if it is followed by DROP all -- anywhere anywhere |
| 21:28.56 | webPragmatist | I am not very seasoned on iptables configurations but I thought you should use DENY policy instead |
| 21:29.06 | Ryan52 | webPragmatist: why dont you just make the policy DROP? |
| 21:29.09 | webPragmatist | DROP |
| 21:29.09 | webPragmatist | yea |
| 21:29.13 | Wyzard | webPragmatist: The policy doesn't matter if there's an unconditional rule at the end of the chain, but setting the policy wouldn't be a bad idea |
| 21:29.25 | webPragmatist | ok that makes sense |
| 21:29.27 | webPragmatist | thanks |
| 21:29.33 | Wyzard | webPragmatist: or better yet, use a firewall package rather than writing iptables rules by hand |
| 21:29.36 | benjamindees | webPragmatist, yeah that works; it makes no difference either way |
| 21:29.43 | AcTiVaTe | http://pastebin.com/m6ee0d494 |
| 21:29.44 | Tramp | webPragmatist: yes. policy drop, selective accepts. Last rule should be a LOG to log the policy-drops. |
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| 21:30.10 | Tramp | webPragmatist: make sure, that every drop is logged. Otherwise you cannot debug. |
| 21:31.36 | Wyzard | roger_: Your question made me curious, so I just checked and found that the etch businesscard CD has no problems finding the SATA DVD drive in the machine I tried it in (which has an nForce SATA controller) |
| 21:32.29 | alarm_ | strange. i downloaded the .deb file from the main page of gwenview , and installed it with dpkg -i . and it needed just 2 packages for its dependencies |
| 21:32.44 | alarm_ | not more. much better than installing 100mb , just for a single viewer |
| 21:32.54 | Wyzard | alarm_: The others were probably recommends |
| 21:33.05 | Wyzard | alarm_: might've been recommending the KDE metapackage or something (which it really shouldn't do) |
| 21:33.10 | alarm_ | could be. still dont get it why i cant avoid to install them |
| 21:33.15 | roger_ | Wyzard: Hmm. I'll have to check again- my colleage was having rouble with the netinst CD earlier in the week, and I've had trouble with the full DVDs |
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| 21:33.41 | Wyzard | roger_: I'll burn and try a full DVD, but I'd be pretty surprised if they lacked a driver that's on the businesscard CD |
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| 21:33.59 | roger_ | Wyzard: Me too. |
| 21:34.16 | Ryan52 | roger_: It might just be the controller is not supported for that. |
| 21:34.20 | `mac` | having issues with mod-security can someone help me out, |
| 21:34.33 | rudenstam | when I add "blacklist pata_marvell" to the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ... is there something else I need to do to make sure it's not loaded on boot ? |
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| 21:34.57 | Wyzard | rudenstam: You may need to regenerate your initramfs, because those do load modules |
| 21:35.09 | rudenstam | ahhh.. true.. why did I not think of that |
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| 21:35.19 | roger_ | ryan52: True, I know once the whole systems installed the drives are visible. I'm not normally short of a drive I can use temporilay so I didn't debug |
| 21:35.54 | `mac` | no one understands what i m talking about.. this is ENGLISH words right? |
| 21:35.55 | Wyzard | rudenstam: btw, rather than editing /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, which is part of a package and will generate "replace with maintainer's version?" prompts when upgraded, I suggest creating a new file in /etc/modprobe.d instead |
| 21:36.28 | rudenstam | Wyzard: true |
| 21:36.32 | Wyzard | `mac`: "issues with mod-security" is far too vague for anyone to have any idea whether they can help with whatever your problem is |
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| 21:36.55 | Wyzard | `mac`: "Doctor, I'm sick, what medicine should I take?" |
| 21:37.02 | rudenstam | thanks Wyzard |
| 21:37.28 | `mac` | you choice to ignore my posts .. how would you know what i m saying |
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| 21:38.02 | Wyzard | chops: Intel PRO/1000 cards use the e1000 driver and work great in Debian |
| 21:38.09 | Wyzard | chops: They're my gigabit card of choice for my desktops |
| 21:38.15 | chops | Wyzard: k, sounds good |
| 21:38.20 | Blast_Hardcheese | I just bought two, they are wonderful |
| 21:38.38 | `mac` | i changed my os to debian system cant get alot of help on what i m doing.. |
| 21:38.44 | `mac` | this is really sux, |
| 21:39.02 | Wyzard | `mac`: Nobody can help you unless you provide details about the problem |
| 21:39.03 | `mac` | you feel my stress, |
| 21:39.12 | Wyzard | `mac`: error messages, for example |
| 21:39.14 | `mac` | i did give you alot of details |
| 21:39.25 | `mac` | i post it on pastebin didnt wan a paste it here |
| 21:39.31 | `mac` | very rude if i do so |
| 21:39.45 | Wyzard | good decision |
| 21:40.01 | chops | `mac`: You gave a rather vague paste that seemed to combine the output of two different commands without specifying what either of the commands was |
| 21:40.12 | chops | `mac`: It was correct not to paste into the channel, yes |
| 21:40.35 | `mac` | i post the url, is that helping or what i could provide to get this resolv? |
| 21:40.40 | `mac` | please let me know.. |
| 21:40.54 | chops | `mac`: A good way to start is by describing precisely what you're trying to do and why, and pastebinning the exact command that isn't running satisfactorily for you along with its full output |
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| 21:41.15 | `mac` | chops: i explain what i doing and what is the issue |
| 21:41.17 | `mac` | did you read? |
| 21:41.19 | `mac` | SIR |
| 21:41.57 | rudenstam | Wyzard: things in /etc/modules, does it try to load those before the normal autoloading ? |
| 21:42.16 | Wyzard | rudenstam: I'm not sure whether it's before or after... never encountered a situation where it made a difference |
| 21:42.35 | Wyzard | rudenstam: My guess would be after, because autoloading happens shortly after hardware detection |
| 21:43.09 | chops | `mac`: I did search back up in the log to see what you typed, and what I saw was what I described: a single pastebin that wasn't terribly informative and a lot of vague descriptions of how unhappy you are (which of course I wholeheartedly believe; computer problems are hard to deal with). I may have missed something, of course, but even so it seems bad to react to people who are actually showing signs of wanting to help you by getting mad at them for not ha |
| 21:43.13 | rudenstam | I think my disk order changed now that I fixed the driver for the marvell card, not optimal |
| 21:43.54 | rudenstam | box doesn't boot anymore at least (at least not into running state where I can ssh in) |
| 21:43.57 | Wyzard | `mac`: Scrolling back, I see "could someone please tell me how i can fix mod-security.. having error msg on manul config try to apt didnt work.. got error on that as well.." |
| 21:44.02 | `mac` | chops: please don't take this in a wrong way, i m not getting mad you guys here not suppose to help anyone its a choice .. i m greatful for this |
| 21:44.19 | `mac` | should i start all over? |
| 21:44.47 | Wyzard | `mac`: It'd help to explain from the beginning... what you've said so far doesn't really tell anyone anything except that you're having some sort of problem with apache mod_security |
| 21:45.25 | Wyzard | `mac`: From your pastebin output mentioning a configure script, I'd guess you're trying to compile it |
| 21:45.56 | `mac` | Wyzard: if you did indeed raed the pastebin that i post it it shows the info, however looking at your post that you post .. |
| 21:46.02 | Wyzard | `mac`: I'd recommend using packages instead, but there seems to be no libapache2-mod-security in Debian |
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| 21:46.20 | Wyzard | `mac`: but an error from configure when trying to build an Apache module would probably be better asked somewhere like #apache |
| 21:46.33 | `mac` | i try to use the apt but it gave me an error |
| 21:46.39 | chops | `mac`: As I said before, you gave a rather vague paste that seemed to combine the output of two different commands without specifying what either of the commands was. Also as I said before, a good way to start is by describing precisely what you're trying to do and why, and pastebinning the exact command that isn't running satisfactorily for you along with its full output. |
| 21:46.41 | Wyzard | What error? |
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| 21:47.16 | `mac` | chops: the info is vague tell me what would you like to see, if that info is vague |
| 21:47.33 | Wyzard | "apache2 is already the newest version" isn't really an error message; it just tells you that the thing you tried to install is already installed and up-to-date |
| 21:47.39 | chops | `mac`: A good way to start is by describing precisely what you're trying to do and why, and pastebinning the exact command that isn't running satisfactorily for you along with its full output. |
| 21:47.48 | `mac` | apt-get install libapache2-mod-security E: Couldn't find package libapache2-mod-security |
| 21:48.04 | Wyzard | yeah, there's no such package in Debian |
| 21:48.18 | `mac` | i see.. let me go back and read how i can add the pkg |
| 21:48.27 | unsolo | hi all |
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| 21:48.35 | unsolo | im having a fight with the debian init scripts |
| 21:48.46 | unsolo | for some reason ocfs2 is not started on boot. |
| 21:48.47 | Wyzard | surmises that `mac` is trying to build the Apache module whose home is at modsecurity.org, and getting the configure error mentioned at http://pastebin.hyedomain.com//view.php?id=16 |
| 21:49.17 | `mac` | thank you Wyzard |
| 21:50.18 | Wyzard | I suspect that the "apache is too old" message is incorrect; the script might be misled by the failure of whatever it was trying to do on line 5051 |
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| 21:50.33 | Wyzard | However, I have no idea what "mmn: numeric argument required" means |
| 21:51.07 | `mac` | Wyzard: i was trying to install it menual, however, if i can add pkg that well be great |
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| 21:51.26 | `mac` | now, i m trying to search for this pkg if their is one in the net hoping i could install the pkg |
| 21:51.33 | chops | `mac`: There are no Debian packages for mod-security, as binary distribution is illegal |
| 21:51.34 | Wyzard | There's no package in Debian that contains a program called "mmn", so I don't know what that script is running |
| 21:51.45 | chops | `mac`: You may be able to find a third-party .deb package, but it will be illegal as well |
| 21:51.50 | chops | `mac`: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg418896.html |
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| 21:52.04 | `mac` | thank you guys.. let me take a look |
| 21:52.50 | Wyzard | Google turns up no results for "mmn: numeric argument required" |
| 21:52.55 | `mac` | http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=mod-security+&l=debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org |
| 21:53.11 | chops | `mac`: Yes, it used to be in sarge and was then removed. |
| 21:53.28 | `mac` | i was hacked not having the mod |
| 21:53.30 | `mac` | :( |
| 21:53.47 | Wyzard | Do you know how the intruder got in? |
| 21:53.52 | chops | `mac`: I didn't know anything about this before I started poking around on google trying to answer your question -- in the future, it'll be more efficient for you to just look around on google for yourself. |
| 21:54.15 | chops | `mac`: I have an apache server without mod-security, and I've never had a breakin that I've detected (and I've detected several on others' systems). |
| 21:54.29 | chops | `mac`: So the lack of mod-security is not, in and of itself, the cause of the breakin. |
| 21:54.43 | Wyzard | `mac`: Installing a module called "security" won't magically make your server unhackable |
| 21:54.45 | `mac` | chops: my frist place was google then i came here |
| 21:55.00 | unsolo | hmm |
| 21:55.13 | Wyzard | You need to understand what your vulnerabilities are (particularly the one that was successfully used to attack you) and how (or whether) mod_security addresses them |
| 21:55.16 | `mac` | understand i m not trying to put this on you guys i search found some exaples that didnt work try to do it menul didnt work so i came here |
| 21:55.20 | `mac` | im sorry |
| 21:55.52 | Wyzard | No, you haven't done anything that you need to apologize for |
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| 21:56.02 | Wyzard | We're just trying to point you in a direction that you might find more helpful |
| 21:56.26 | chops | `mac`: I did a google search for libapache2-mod-security, clicked the first result, which told me that it was in sarge but not any other Debian version, and then the fifth one ("Please add libapache2-mod-security to etch"), which told me why it wasn't in etch. |
| 21:56.47 | chops | `mac`: The more general stuff about how mod-security is not required to run a secure server there's no particular reason why you would have known |
| 21:56.49 | `mac` | i didnt tell you that |
| 21:56.59 | Wyzard | The Debian aspect of this is that you might need some additional -dev packages to be able to compile Apache modules in Debian, though I'm not sure what packages they are |
| 21:57.30 | `mac` | my search didnt came the way yours did. so we are in a diff. page |
| 21:57.33 | chops | `mac`: The fact that it helps to calm down and explain problems thoroughly instead of just getting really mad about not getting any help from the amount of information you _are_ providing is something you should probably work on :-) |
| 21:58.03 | `mac` | i DON"T get MAD |
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| 21:59.55 | `mac` | thank you for not giving up on me.. means alot |
| 21:59.59 | unsolo | is there a way to list the init scripts in a in order manner ? |
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| 22:00.12 | `mac` | now i got a tar up more of this google thing and see whats up how i can make this work.. brb |
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| 22:02.26 | Wyzard | Reading the mod_security FAQ, it seems interesting, but big-time overkill for a knee-jerk "oh no, I got hacked" situation |
| 22:03.22 | chops | `mac`: I agree with Wyzard. If you keep up with security updates and don't do anything egregiously insecure, a Debian server should be reasonably secure. If you don't keep up with security updates, installing something like mod-security will not help. |
| 22:03.46 | benjamindees | unsolo, I suppose you mean all of them, not just ones for a particular runlevel? |
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| 22:04.46 | Wyzard | Installing mod_security as a first reaction after finding out you got hacked is like filling your yard with land mines because you found one of your house's windows was pried open |
| 22:05.21 | Wyzard | The mod sounds like it's as big as apache itself |
| 22:05.21 | Talemon | i have a windows box and a laptop with no cdrom or floppy. only way to transfer data is either with a usb stick or ethernet. how can i install debian on the laptop? |
| 22:05.59 | benjamindees | Talemon, what's on the laptop currently? |
| 22:06.18 | Wyzard | Talemon: You can boot from a USB stick, or set up a DHCP/TFTP server on another computer to boot the installer over the network directly |
| 22:06.30 | Talemon | benjamindees: windows xp |
| 22:06.43 | benjamindees | Wyzard, if the bios supports either of those |
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| 22:06.54 | chops | Talemon: There's also http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 22:06.55 | Talemon | i'm confused about using usb stick |
| 22:07.17 | chops | Talemon: As always, back up your data first |
| 22:07.40 | Wyzard | Talemon: The way USB booting works is that you raw-write a special boot image to the flash drive, then mount it and copy a Debian installation CD .iso onto it (netinst, full CD/DVD, whatever) |
| 22:08.16 | Wyzard | Talemon: The boot code finds the .iso, loop-mounts it, and runs the installer within it, and from that point it's just as if you'd booted the CD whose .iso you used |
| 22:08.39 | unsolo | benjamindees: well im trying to make ocfs2 start before and stop after so since drbd was S20 i figured defaults 21 19 would do the trick |
| 22:08.55 | Wyzard | Talemon: and as benjamindees points out, you need to make sure your BIOS supports booting from USB storage devices |
| 22:09.11 | infernix | anyone familiar with an LVS-DR setup? |
| 22:10.02 | Wyzard | wonders what an LVS-DR is |
| 22:10.03 | Talemon | as far as i can see, it can boot from a usb stick. but how to write the image onto usb-stick on windowz? |
| 22:10.23 | benjamindees | unsolo, sounds okay |
| 22:10.33 | Wyzard | Talemon: hmm, dunno about that... IIRC the directions are only for in Linux, using the dd command |
| 22:11.11 | Wyzard | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
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| 22:11.29 | Wyzard | "To prepare the USB stick, you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running" |
| 22:11.43 | Wyzard | You could use a liveCD on another system |
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| 22:12.39 | toad_ | is there any easy way to get a udp round-trip time? some udp ping utility? |
| 22:12.44 | webPragmatist | what does it mean when the aptitude says "Score is -69" |
| 22:13.00 | benjamindees | Wyzard, you can use dd in windows |
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| 22:13.27 | `mac` | oh wow, this example is nice, making a jail |
| 22:13.55 | Wyzard | `mac`: First question you should be asking yourself: how did the attacker actually get in? |
| 22:14.23 | chops | `mac`: Adding security features to an insecure system does not make it more secure. Only the removal (or fixing) of _insecure_ features can improve the security of the system. |
| 22:14.24 | Wyzard | `mac`: If it was something like guessing a password and logging in with SSH, mod_security won't help at all |
| 22:14.41 | Talemon | one more question: does debian support tablet notebooks? |
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| 22:15.54 | Wyzard | webPragmatist: apt assigns "scores" to various actions it can take (installing a new package to satisfy a dependency, removing a package to satisfy a conflict, upgrading a package, etc.) to decide what actions it should take |
| 22:16.22 | Wyzard | webPragmatist: If there are multiple ways to resolve dependency requirements, the one with the highest one prevails |
| 22:16.32 | `mac` | whoever hacked it they used php .. so i got a do it one by one.. |
| 22:16.47 | `mac` | dumping all my www |
| 22:16.49 | benjamindees | webPragmatist, linux is the greatest text adventure game ever; and you're losing :( |
| 22:16.58 | Wyzard | `mac`: Do you know what PHP script they exploited, and how? |
| 22:17.48 | Wyzard | `mac`: Was it done by feeding malicious input to an existing script? Or somehow managing to upload a malicious script and then using an ordinary browser request to make it run? |
| 22:18.20 | mimcpher | Talemon, yes-ish. Tablet support isn't as nice as in other operating systems due to lack of software |
| 22:18.51 | `mac` | xml php ajex working with does |
| 22:18.58 | `mac` | why? you need help? |
| 22:19.13 | unsolo | benjamindees: didnt start on boot guess i may need a later starting point |
| 22:19.28 | Wyzard | `mac`: I'm asking because if you don't know exactly what your vulnerability was, you have no idea whether mod_security will help with it |
| 22:20.04 | unsolo | ugh now the latter one didnt start.. |
| 22:20.16 | Wyzard | `mac`: From my perspective it looks like you're trying to install mod_security because you think it will solve your problems and make your server secure |
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| 22:20.37 | `mac` | cuz of this script i was hacked, perl was the reason |
| 22:21.26 | benjamindees | unsolo, wait huh what are you trying to do again? what does this init script for your filesystem do? |
| 22:21.42 | Wyzard | `mac`: I thought you said PHP, not Perl... but regardless, PHP and Perl are programming languages; "because of PHP" and "because of Perl" are not how you got hacked |
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| 22:22.05 | webPragmatist | man i love debian.... even the backports work brilliantly |
| 22:22.07 | `mac` | the script is not only runing php |
| 22:22.20 | unsolo | benjamindees: drbd starts the distrubuted block device ofcs2 starts the cluster file system |
| 22:22.33 | netdaemon | webPragmatist, even sid works brilliantly (most of the time...) |
| 22:22.44 | unsolo | going to retry with some saner settings.. |
| 22:22.58 | benjamindees | *blink* |
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| 22:23.42 | benjamindees | unsolo, and the block device starts, but then the file system doesn't? |
| 22:24.24 | unsolo | well aparently i tried starting the block device to soon |
| 22:24.33 | unsolo | removing it moved it from 70 to 20 |
| 22:24.45 | unsolo | when doing defaults afterwords.. |
| 22:24.56 | benjamindees | unsolo, okay yeah that sounds right |
| 22:25.08 | unsolo | so i changed it from 20 back to 70 |
| 22:25.16 | unsolo | then moved 21 to 71 etc |
| 22:25.25 | benjamindees | nods |
| 22:26.11 | grand_grunt | How should I say to "Ark" to use unrar-free? It asks for unrar. |
| 22:27.13 | mimcpher | I'd just get unrar :-p |
| 22:27.24 | cloakable | :P |
| 22:27.26 | grand_grunt | mimcpher: I don't want it.. |
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| 22:27.46 | grand_grunt | Only unrar-free, and I'm gonna delete every file that unrar-free cann't open. |
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| 22:28.13 | Trollinator | In a debian repository, there is this file, Contents-i386.gz |
| 22:28.19 | benjamindees | grand_grunt, file a bug with ark; debian is pretty loose with mandatory dependencies so it should be accepted |
| 22:28.21 | Trollinator | is there a documentation for that format? |
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| 22:28.42 | mimcpher | grand_grunt, it suggests unrar or unrar-free. |
| 22:29.00 | unsolo | actually i must say im impressed by the redundancy i get by having drbd + ocfs2 + mysql-ndb + mysql |
| 22:29.20 | grand_grunt | mimcpher: Mine doesn't.. ark says it didn't find "unrar" in PATH. |
| 22:30.42 | mimcpher | Oh I see grand_grunt; just make a symlink "unrar" to unrar-free |
| 22:31.23 | mimcpher | Though I'd file a bug against Ark for that |
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| 22:31.42 | grand_grunt | mimcpher: lol. I'll do the symblink, but first bug report |
| 22:31.55 | mimcpher | Actually grand_grunt |
| 22:32.17 | mimcpher | on my system unrar is a symlink to unrar-free |
| 22:32.19 | unsolo | benjamindees: still didnt mount on boot |
| 22:32.31 | mimcpher | mimcpher, I just installed unrar-free and uninstalled unrar |
| 22:32.39 | unsolo | seems i messed up drbd |
| 22:32.47 | mimcpher | /usr/bin/unrar -> /etc/alternatives/unrar -> /usr/bin/unrar-nonfree |
| 22:32.49 | benjamindees | grand_grunt, it's bug 423170 which is supposedly fixed |
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| 22:33.09 | `mac` | Wyzard: your right, i give up on that jail, i ll ise that when i try to do something secure, .. |
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| 22:33.53 | grand_grunt | benjamindees: fixed. ok. |
| 22:34.01 | benjamindees | unsolo, I would make sure you get that working first |
| 22:35.02 | unsolo | http://rafb.net/p/WHr4Fq63.html |
| 22:35.18 | unsolo | seem that goes at a "high" level |
| 22:35.27 | grand_grunt | mimcpher: symblink runs, thanks ! |
| 22:35.36 | unsolo | so force remove and then defaults probably messed it up right |
| 22:37.06 | benjamindees | unsolo, dpkg-reconfigure drbd0.7-utils or whatever version you have |
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| 22:38.19 | unsolo | benjamindees: didnt do the trick |
| 22:39.41 | unsolo | i think maybe a update-rc.d stop 08 0 1 6 start 70 2 3 4 5 fixes it ? |
| 22:41.22 | unsolo | that returne drbd to something sane |
| 22:41.30 | unsolo | now to reboot even once more.. |
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| 22:43.50 | poseidon | What text editors do you guys use? |
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| 22:44.05 | Lagbolt | vi |
| 22:44.05 | unsolo | nano :) |
| 22:44.12 | Lagbolt | viM i mean |
| 22:44.13 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 22:44.48 | poseidon | I'm thinking about making a light weight text editor with tabs (something I don't see in most linux text editors) |
| 22:45.05 | grand_grunt | vi |
| 22:45.17 | poseidon | *correction, in most text editors, I've only seen it in jedit (which is bloated) and notepad++ |
| 22:45.36 | unsolo | console based or gui ? |
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| 22:45.40 | grand_grunt | poseidon: Do you mean an command-line editor, or gui? |
| 22:45.44 | poseidon | gui |
| 22:45.46 | unsolo | gedit and kate both have tabs.. |
| 22:45.55 | unsolo | so does emacs |
| 22:46.54 | poseidon | unsolo, just realized that. (mine was hiden), but I don't like it's bloated interface |
| 22:47.01 | benjamindees | every program not having tabs is a good thing; it means when the program crashes all the work doesn't get lost |
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| 22:47.28 | grand_grunt | benjamindees: yes, but look iceaweasel : it is able to restore tabs when you restart it |
| 22:48.33 | poseidon | benjamindees, I usually don't wory about crashes, ctrl+s saves the document, so i just press it about every ten seconds :) |
| 22:49.03 | Dark-Fx | <esc>:w > ctrl + s |
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| 22:49.54 | unsolo | hmm i wonder if lyx has tabs |
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| 22:50.05 | poseidon | Does vim have syntax highlighting? |
| 22:50.07 | Dark-Fx | yes |
| 22:50.20 | benjamindees | sharing debian and xp on a 20gig disc is a pita |
| 22:50.25 | netdaemon | poseidon, has to be turned on in vimrc |
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| 22:51.04 | poseidon | Well, I don't know what else to make, so I'm going to make a text editor :) |
| 22:51.08 | grand_grunt | unsolo: no tabs on lynx, but there is another CL browser with tabs |
| 22:51.22 | benjamindees | hell I can give you lots of ideas to make |
| 22:51.27 | grand_grunt | unsolo: w3m |
| 22:51.27 | unsolo | oh the cluster raid even worked when i did a shutdown -rn now |
| 22:51.45 | poseidon | benjamindees, I don't know what else to make thats with in my realm of reality ;) |
| 22:51.50 | unsolo | if you make it add a comment editor to it |
| 22:51.59 | unsolo | or a comment view |
| 22:52.10 | unsolo | nice to have in these widescreen days |
| 22:52.15 | benjamindees | poseidon, what is that? what languages, etc? |
| 22:52.43 | poseidon | benjamindees, I'm planning on making the text editor in python, but I know c++ as well |
| 22:52.45 | vjoe | bye |
| 22:53.00 | poseidon | poseidon == god of C |
| 22:54.15 | mimcpher | Lol, poseidon |
| 22:54.30 | webPragmatist | the C |
| 22:54.46 | poseidon | webPragmatist, God of C sounds better |
| 22:54.57 | poseidon | Poseidon++ wasn't a valid nickname unfortunately |
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| 22:58.15 | netdaemon | poseidonpp doesn't sound quite right either |
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| 22:58.38 | benjamindees | you could use the python bindings for smbclient to create a remote version of 'find' |
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| 22:59.15 | benjamindees | stripped-down, of course |
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| 23:00.57 | benjamindees | should be fairly easy; remove most of the options, add some samba login stuff and regex support |
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| 23:03.18 | sol | hello. ive got a debian system as my router directly connected to my ISP. |
| 23:03.42 | sol | except, it's getting arp requests from 100s of the ISP's clients, is this normal? |
| 23:04.24 | benjamindees | sol, 'directly connected' through ethernet? |
| 23:04.54 | sol | yes, sorry, I'm a regular cable internet client, like everyone else |
| 23:05.02 | sol | I should've left that out |
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| 23:05.18 | unsolo | wow node drbd 2 also started up after a fight in the dark.. |
| 23:05.25 | unsolo | now for a multiple failure test |
| 23:05.57 | sol | I get ~100 arp requests a second |
| 23:06.37 | xulfit | sol: from other ISP's clients or your own network ? |
| 23:06.43 | benjamindees | sol, that's a ridiculous amount but some chatter is normal in my experience |
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| 23:07.06 | sol | xulfit, from my ISP's clients. |
| 23:07.11 | xulfit | ANYONE will tell you this is not right |
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| 23:07.24 | benjamindees | a cable modem is just a bridge and you're sharing the connection with your neighbors |
| 23:07.46 | xulfit | is that some jacked up wireless isp ? |
| 23:07.59 | sol | no, it's cable |
| 23:08.04 | xulfit | which provider |
| 23:08.09 | amphi | sol: I've seen that before |
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| 23:08.13 | sol | benjamindees; I've heard that, but don't recall seeing it before |
| 23:08.15 | amphi | sol: also cable |
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| 23:08.31 | sol | well, the weird thing is that I have two identical routers on the same ISP, (shaw) --- but one is in another city |
| 23:08.37 | sol | the other isn't getting any outside arp requests |
| 23:08.40 | sol | the ISP says its normal |
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| 23:08.41 | amphi | benjamindees: ah, that's why |
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| 23:09.13 | benjamindees | if you turn on promiscuous mode you can watch your neighbors download porn :) |
| 23:09.15 | sol | I'm trying to figure out why my VPN is lagging, I figured this could be why...100 requests a second seems overboard |
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| 23:09.40 | rhineheart_m | what's the best chkrootkit seer for debian? |
| 23:09.43 | sol | I'm at work, that wouldn't be a good idea, benjamindees :) |
| 23:09.47 | dacs_ | hello |
| 23:09.48 | Wyzard | 100 ARP requests per second is not much traffic |
| 23:09.59 | Wyzard | in terms of bandwidth usage |
| 23:10.14 | sol | 100 * 46 * 60 * 60 * 24 * 30 = 12 gigs, without counting responses |
| 23:10.22 | sol | 12 gigs a month is not helpful |
| 23:10.37 | Wyzard | yeah, but it wouldn't slow down your VPN |
| 23:11.11 | Wyzard | It's a small fraction of your available throughput |
| 23:11.12 | sol | fair enough |
| 23:11.30 | sol | they're cards with debian in the firmware, not particularly fast CPUs |
| 23:11.34 | benjamindees | you vpn is lagging because your isp has obviously over-provisioned your neighborhood for you to get 100 requests/second |
| 23:11.35 | sol | that was more my concern, not the bandwidth usage :) |
| 23:11.45 | xulfit | its not a bandwidth concern its security |
| 23:11.48 | Wyzard | ah, that could be different |
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| 23:12.03 | Wyzard | agrees with benjamindees |
| 23:12.18 | rhineheart_m | can you recommend a good rootkit detector for debian? |
| 23:12.27 | sol | benjamindees; what really bothers me is more than my other location gets *0* from the ISP's network, and it's cable too |
| 23:12.30 | Wyzard | rhineheart_m: There's rkhunter, and chkrootkit |
| 23:12.39 | sol | more that* |
| 23:12.49 | sol | but fair enough, thanks for all the help |
| 23:13.01 | rhineheart_m | Wyzard, between the 2, which one can you recommend to me? thanks BTW |
| 23:13.07 | Wyzard | rhineheart_m: can't comment how how good they are; neither has ever found a rootkit on my system, but I like to think I've never had one |
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| 23:13.22 | unsolo | omg my nodes even came back to life after a simulated power failure.. |
| 23:13.27 | unsolo | man i love drbd.. |
| 23:13.32 | benjamindees | I'd count up all the unique mac addresses and start complaining |
| 23:13.47 | Wyzard | rhineheart_m: Use both; they're not mutually exclusive (and they work differently; rkhunter is really more about notifying you when system files are modified, whereas chkrootkit does an on-demand scan) |
| 23:13.57 | sol | can't...they're all coming from one mac address |
| 23:14.08 | sol | wait that makes no sense |
| 23:14.27 | sol | im using iptraf, the messages are |
| 23:14.36 | rhineheart_m | Wyzard, are the two in the repo? |
| 23:14.38 | Wyzard | a neighbor with a screwed-up computer or router, perhaps |
| 23:14.40 | Wyzard | rhineheart_m: yeah |
| 23:15.03 | Wyzard | I've seen a Windows PC that every 30 seconds would ARP for a nonexistent IP in its local network range |
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| 23:15.19 | Wyzard | the same one, every time |
| 23:15.22 | sol | "ARP request for 70.69.xxx.xxx (46 bytes) from 00135f065f05 to ffffffffffff |
| 23:15.30 | sol | always the same mac |
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| 23:15.55 | benjamindees | different IPs? |
| 23:15.57 | sol | why would my ISP's router be asking *me* whether I'm that IP? |
| 23:16.03 | sol | yes, the IP is always different |
| 23:16.13 | Wyzard | sol: 00:13:5f is apparently Cisco |
| 23:16.29 | benjamindees | sol, tell those idiots to reboot their router |
| 23:16.37 | Wyzard | It's not asking you; it's asking everyone (the ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff is broadcast) |
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| 23:16.57 | sol | Wyzard; yea :) |
| 23:17.13 | benjamindees | sol, if that's your ISP's router then I guess they have it misconfigured |
| 23:18.00 | sol | there's never be any reason for my ISP's router to broadcast arp requests? |
| 23:18.16 | sol | wants to be sure before he calls them again |
| 23:18.20 | Wyzard | ARP requests are always broadcast |
| 23:18.24 | Wyzard | What's abnormal is for there to be so many |
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| 23:18.39 | rhineheart_m | Wyzard, chkrootkit has been tested on: Linux 2.0.x, 2.2.x, 2.4.x and 2.6.x, FreeBSD 2.2.x, 3.x, 4.x and 5.x, OpenBSD 2.x, 3.x and 4.x., NetBSD 1.6.x, Solaris 2.5.1, 2.6, 8.0 and 9.0, HP-UX 11, Tru64, BSDI and Mac OS X. Would this be compatible for debian? |
| 23:18.53 | Wyzard | rhineheart_m: If it didn't work in Debian, it wouldn't be packaged in Debian |
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| 23:19.19 | rhineheart_m | Wyzard, you have the point there.. :) thanks. |
| 23:20.04 | benjamindees | sol, so start counting unique ip addresses then; either you have a lot of neighbors with internet or they haven't configured their router properly |
| 23:20.06 | Deezire | How to put a whone directory using "ftp" |
| 23:20.38 | sol | benjamindees; I'll try, I don't know iptraf real well (I'm a BSD guy, to be honest...) |
| 23:20.57 | Wyzard | Deezire: From the command-line FTP client, you can use wildcards with the "mput" command, though that won't recurse into subdirectories |
| 23:21.02 | rhineheart_m | Wyzard, I installed it using aptitude.. well, how to run the file (chkrootkit)? |
| 23:21.05 | sol | ahh I see, logging option :) |
| 23:21.19 | Wyzard | Deezire: A graphical FTP client would probably have an option to recursively transfer a whole directory |
| 23:21.28 | benjamindees | sol, just keep telling them you're getting 100 arp requests/second until you get to a high-level support guy who understands what it means. |
| 23:21.31 | Wyzard | Deezire: and even better would be to use something like scp rather than ftp |
| 23:21.40 | Deezire | aah, ty |
| 23:21.41 | Ryan52 | I am having problems with setting up my raid/encryption/lvm. I have it set up like "disks -> raid1 -> encrypt -> lvm -> ext3". The problem is that once I close and then reopen my encrypted partition, lvm doesnt recognize it. Why isn't it detecting it? http://www.pastebin.ca/1005522 is where my start/stop scripts are. They work if I have it like that. But if I uncomment the cryptsetup stuff it doesn't work. |
| 23:21.42 | sol | okay, thanks :) |
| 23:21.42 | benjamindees | sol, from their router |
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| 23:21.57 | AcTiVaTe | Just FYI, solved my proftpd prob on sarge by installing a newer version from backports |
| 23:22.13 | Wyzard | Ryan52: You might need to run pvscan again |
| 23:23.21 | Ryan52 | Wyzard: I could swear I tried that manually...but that works. Thanks! |
| 23:23.27 | rhineheart_m | Wyzard, got it... http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/chkrootkit.htm :) |
| 23:23.47 | Wyzard | rhineheart_m: "man chkrootkit" works too :-) |
| 23:24.02 | Ryan52 | AcTiVaTe: sarge no longer has security support. You need to get off of that ASAP. (thats how Ive been spending most of my sysadmin time this month) |
| 23:24.18 | sol | benjamindees, some IPs appear only once (i logged for 30 seconds). others appear 2-3 times. |
| 23:24.21 | AcTiVaTe | Ryan52: I'm gonna do a dist-upgrade soon |
| 23:24.22 | sol | 2-4 times* |
| 23:24.33 | AcTiVaTe | Ryan52: But needed to get ftp working until I am gonna do so |
| 23:24.42 | sol | 2-6* haha |
| 23:24.58 | rhineheart_m | Wyzard, I has it before in my ubuntu box..before I changed it to debian.. it's different there.. I run it using ./chkrootkit. :) |
| 23:25.00 | Ryan52 | AcTiVaTe: dist-upgrade is bad...if you can you should start a new system from scratch. |
| 23:25.02 | AcTiVaTe | Ryan52: Need to make sure it's gonna be a smooth dist-upgrade. mysql is gonna be upgraded from 4.1 to 5.0 and I don't want any surprises ;) |
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| 23:25.16 | AcTiVaTe | Ryan52: It's a remote production server |
| 23:25.30 | benjamindees | sol, so, what, 20 unique IPs per second? |
| 23:25.32 | Ryan52 | ah. then at least make backups. |
| 23:25.40 | Wyzard | rhineheart_m: Using "./" only makes sense if you're in the directory where the chkrootkit program is (/usr/sbin in Debian) |
| 23:25.46 | Ryan52 | wonders how you make/restore remote backups... |
| 23:25.47 | AcTiVaTe | Ryan52: Rsyncing as we speak ;) |
| 23:26.16 | Ryan52 | and once you bork your server, how do you restore it? |
| 23:26.32 | AcTiVaTe | bork as in go offline? |
| 23:26.37 | Ryan52 | yes. |
| 23:26.41 | rhineheart_m | Wyzard, I'm now pointing out how to run it automatically everyday.. like at 7 PM and the result will be sent to my email... :) |
| 23:26.42 | AcTiVaTe | I contact the hosting company |
| 23:26.47 | sol | benjamindees, 80 unique a second~ |
| 23:27.03 | Wyzard | rhineheart_m: /etc/cron.daily/chkrootkit does that already |
| 23:27.14 | Ryan52 | is pessimistic. He learned that if you are too optimistic you end up screwing up really bad. |
| 23:27.15 | benjamindees | sol, so, in five seconds you got 400 unique IPs? unbelievable |
| 23:27.24 | AcTiVaTe | Ryan52: Even with backups? :P |
| 23:27.33 | sol | benjamindees, I wouldn't say in 5 seconds. I'd say in 1 second. they arp for the same IP very frequently; |
| 23:27.45 | sol | in this 30 second log, if i sort by ip, many of the ips appear several times |
| 23:28.02 | sol | I see one of them here 9 times |
| 23:28.04 | Ryan52 | AcTiVaTe: I didnt know that your hosting company would re-setup your server for you... |
| 23:28.07 | benjamindees | sol, so, sort -u and how many is it in 30 seconds? |
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| 23:28.15 | AcTiVaTe | Ryan52: If you pay em they will |
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| 23:28.28 | Wyzard | sol: Do those ARPs get responded to? |
| 23:28.42 | Wyzard | sol: the ones for addresses you see ARPed repeatedly |
| 23:28.52 | sol | Wyzard, I don't see the responses, if they are |
| 23:28.56 | rhineheart_m | Wyzard, can't find there a line to modify the time and date and the email add where it would be sent... |
| 23:28.58 | AcTiVaTe | Ryan52: But they charge more per hour then I do so ;) Anything I can do my boss prefers ;) |
| 23:29.08 | sol | benjamindees; I have to find a way of trimming the first part of the line, which has a unique # |
| 23:29.11 | sol | before I can sort -u |
| 23:29.29 | benjamindees | sol, cut -f 1 |sort -u |
| 23:29.43 | Wyzard | sol: It could be that someone's trying to send packets to nonexistent IPs, so the routers keep trying to find someone with the IP |
| 23:29.47 | sol | is learning more than he intended, wonderful :) |
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| 23:30.09 | sol | mmm cut -f 1 didnt do it. |
| 23:30.23 | Ryan52 | Will the kernel be smart enough to know how to stop my raid/encryption/lvm combo safely when I shut down? |
| 23:30.25 | Wyzard | rhineheart_m: dunno about the date and time, but the output is sent to root, I believe, which gets forwarded to whatever real user you configured when you set up your mail system |
| 23:30.31 | benjamindees | sol, awk '{print $1}' |sort -u |
| 23:31.27 | cloakable | Ryan52: yes |
| 23:31.31 | benjamindees | sol, awk '{print $1}' |sort -u |grep -c '.*' |
| 23:31.32 | sol | benjamindees, cat iptraf.log | awk '{print $5}' | sort -u | wc -l = 1202 |
| 23:31.45 | sol | cat iptraf.log | wc -l = 2284 |
| 23:32.18 | sol | so 50% are the same IP, in that 30 seconds |
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| 23:33.55 | Wyzard | Rather than "sort -u", try "sort | uniq -c" |
| 23:34.12 | benjamindees | 1200 IPs in 30 seconds; yeah clue them into the router protocols supported by their overpriced cisco junk ;) |
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| 23:35.53 | sol | Wyzard, neat :) only a few were requested 10+ times |
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| 23:40.23 | benjamindees | sol, what isp is it so I can send them a resumee :) |
| 23:40.32 | sol | benjamindees; haha, it's Shaw, here in BC, Canada |
| 23:41.02 | benjamindees | I'm going to start a collection of incompetent companies that have rejected me ;) |
| 23:41.04 | rhineheart_m | Wyzard, have you set-up your rkhunter to update automatically? if yes, how did you do it? |
| 23:41.24 | Wyzard | rhineheart_m: No, I haven't (other than the fact that I run sid and the package gets updated occasionally that way) |
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| 23:43.49 | joako | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:43.49 | joako | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:43.49 | joako | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:44.37 | azeem | joako: unstable |
| 23:44.41 | dondelelcaro | joako: uh... if you're using unstable, you really should be able to answer that question yourself, but look at what linux-kbuild-2.6.25 depends on and why it can't be installed. |
| 23:44.58 | dondelelcaro | joako: odds are it hasn't transited NEW, hasn't been built, or otherwise is just waiting for something to happen before it can be installed. |
| 23:45.20 | joako | ok thanks |
| 23:45.29 | azeem | the kernel team is well-known for "forgetting" to upload kbuild, AFAICT |
| 23:45.37 | Pulpie | is lenny or etch testing? |
| 23:45.43 | Pulpie | did lenny go to stable? |
| 23:45.45 | azeem | but actually it's in NEW |
| 23:45.47 | azeem | Pulpie: no |
| 23:45.49 | joako | its unstable |
| 23:45.55 | markybob | Pulpie lenny is testing |
| 23:46.08 | markybob | Pulpie it has not gone stable and wont for a while |
| 23:46.08 | Pulpie | ok, when will it go to stable? |
| 23:46.14 | markybob | !wir |
| 23:46.14 | dpkg | it has been said that wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 23:46.18 | Pulpie | well thats good |
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| 23:47.01 | dvs | !wwlr |
| 23:47.01 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/03/msg00001.html |
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| 23:47.32 | benjamindees | Pulpie, release.debian.org may be helpful |
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| 23:48.32 | Pulpie | omg I asked one question |
| 23:48.42 | Pulpie | thats why I hate asking stuff here |
| 23:48.53 | Pulpie | because all I wanted to know is if lenny was stable yet... |
| 23:49.03 | amphi | Pulpie: no |
| 23:49.10 | dvs | amphi: TMI!!! ;-) |
| 23:49.13 | Pulpie | amphi: I KNOW THAT |
| 23:49.26 | vorpal | Pulpie: please calm down |
| 23:49.27 | Pulpie | omg you guys need to READ the context before answering a question |
| 23:49.32 | amphi | Pulpie: sorry, I didn't quite hear you |
| 23:49.36 | benjamindees | Pulpie, it's not stable |
| 23:49.42 | vorpal | nrither is Pulpie |
| 23:49.44 | Pulpie | benjamindees: I know. Stop answering |
| 23:49.52 | Wyzard | Pulpie: You asked a question in a channel with 798 people and got several responses... what's to get worked up about? |
| 23:49.55 | vorpal | OK, he's a troll |
| 23:50.00 | Pulpie | vorpal: I am very stable but the fact is that I don't need people answering 20 times |
| 23:50.09 | vorpal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.16 | azeem | vorpal: stop that |
| 23:50.24 | Pulpie | Wyzard: I ask in #linux and get one answer |
| 23:50.30 | Pulpie | but it has more people... |
| 23:50.39 | Pulpie | and is much more active |
| 23:50.45 | azeem | Pulpie: please discuss the amount of answers you get in #debian-offtopic |
| 23:51.13 | Pulpie | azeem: no, because the answers are here and now and Im stoping it now not later. |
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| 23:51.20 | azeem | good |
| 23:51.56 | marsje | anyone running debian on a via epia system? |
| 23:52.02 | Wyzard | marsje: I am |
| 23:52.05 | benjamindees | is |
| 23:52.13 | azeem | dudes, please only answer once |
| 23:52.15 | azeem | :P |
| 23:52.16 | Wyzard | marsje: It's my router |
| 23:52.38 | dvs | azeem: all of us? ;-) |
| 23:52.40 | benjamindees | Wyzard, shut up dude he didn't ask that |
| 23:52.54 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 23:53.04 | marsje | Wyzard: cool.. was thinking of buying something like that, but it will have to do more than just be a router: web/ftp/mail-server too |
| 23:53.05 | Pulpie | ugh Im just not going to ask any questions here any more... too many wrong answers and people who just want the attention... |
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| 23:53.17 | amphi | !customer |
| 23:53.17 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 23:53.25 | marsje | Wyzard: was wondering how powerful (or powerless) this thingis |
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| 23:53.41 | azeem | marsje: eh, there's more than one via epia? |
| 23:53.49 | azeem | AFAIK, at least |
| 23:54.13 | Wyzard | marsje: I have one with a 1GHz C7 processor running four instances of etch in Xen (one dom0 and three domU) |
| 23:54.24 | azeem | marsje: if you plan to run www.slashdot.org on it, it might be overworked, if you plan to run you mum's homepage on it, it might be underworked |
| 23:54.25 | marsje | azeem: yes, plenty of them... http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/ |
| 23:54.26 | Wyzard | marsje: I don't do anything with it that really taxes the processor though |
| 23:54.28 | azeem | it's really hard to tell |
| 23:55.06 | marsje | Wyzard: I don't do anything complicated either, but I'd like to know if it will outperform my Pentium-III 500 MHz |
| 23:56.24 | Wyzard | marsje: As a guess I'd say it'd probably be roughly equivalent, but I don't really know |
| 23:57.17 | marsje | Wyzard: if it uses the same amount of watts and provides the same amount of cpu power, then it wouldn't be wort upgrading I guess |
| 23:57.18 | benjamindees | marsje, mine has 1458 bogomips which should tell you absolutely nothing |
| 23:57.21 | marsje | worth |
| 23:57.38 | marsje | how can I find out the bogomips? |
| 23:57.55 | benjamindees | marsje, grep bogomips /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 23:58.06 | Wyzard | marsje: dunno how much power your P-III box draws, by my router is idling at 36W |
| 23:58.48 | marsje | benjamindees: thanks |
| 23:58.59 | Wyzard | marsje: If I run "yes > /dev/null" to generate CPU load, it goes up to 40W |
| 23:59.00 | marsje | mine is 1003 |
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| 23:59.26 | Wyzard | 2498.83 bogomips on my 1GHz C7 router |
| 23:59.48 | marsje | Wyzard: I have no idea how much power my current system draws... it's an very old pentium-III system with 2 old harddisks |
