| 00:00.13 | Wyzard | I'd recommend getting a C7 rather than a C3 because the C3 isn't quite an i686 and can't run 686-optimized stuff |
| 00:01.04 | marsje | bogomips on wikipedia: "It is not usable for performance comparison between different CPUs." |
| 00:01.12 | Wyzard | hmm... for comparison, 4896.08 bogomips on my 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo |
| 00:01.12 | Decepticon | does installing the new package headers available for etch require a reboot? |
| 00:01.21 | Decepticon | *kernel headers |
| 00:01.22 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: no |
| 00:01.31 | Wyzard | which should definitely be more than twice as fast, so that wikipedia advice sounds reasonable |
| 00:01.57 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=sy@host-76-161-220-24.midco.net) |
| 00:02.17 | zophy | what is wrong with the cut utility ? |
| 00:02.19 | marsje | Wyzard, benjamindees: can we think of a quick commandline benchmark that does something real? |
| 00:02.27 | marsje | like md5sum or something |
| 00:04.22 | marsje | maybe this: wget ftp://ftp.xs4all.nl/pub/test/10mb.bin && time md5sum 10mb.bin |
| 00:04.28 | benjamindees | time dd if=/dev/random bs=512 count=1000|sha1sum |
| 00:04.43 | benjamindees | mine has no ip address :) |
| 00:04.47 | *** join/#debian macondo (n=macondo@unaffiliated/macondo) |
| 00:04.48 | marsje | :) |
| 00:04.49 | *** join/#debian goetzchr (n=goetz@p57AE718C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:05.14 | *** join/#debian neosmatrix_ (n=neosmatr@i59F4CB19.versanet.de) |
| 00:05.28 | marsje | benjamindees: your test is better than |
| 00:05.30 | marsje | then |
| 00:06.17 | marsje | benjamindees: only it doesn't use any cpu time... |
| 00:06.39 | marsje | so far |
| 00:06.42 | *** join/#debian CakeProphet (n=CakeProp@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake) |
| 00:07.18 | `mac` | jesus i m just complitly in love with this debian system love their shell so nice like fbsd |
| 00:07.21 | *** join/#debian r0b (n=rob@unaffiliated/r0b) |
| 00:07.36 | Tramp | marsje: blocks on /dev/random |
| 00:07.37 | *** part/#debian danand_ (n=empgdjh@91.106.254.84) |
| 00:08.05 | CakeProphet | ...so I need to install Debian without an (immediate) internet connection. I need just enough of the ISOs to have ndiswrapper installed so I can get my adapter to work... which ISOs do I need to download? |
| 00:08.08 | JDigital | Hi! I cannot find a guide to setting up a webserver that runs PHP under FastCGI for better security. Does anyone know how it's done? |
| 00:08.50 | marsje | Tramp: on what does the /dev/random speed depend? |
| 00:09.38 | *** join/#debian eternita (n=me@li23-109.members.linode.com) |
| 00:09.46 | Tramp | marsje: how fast you move the mouse - no, seriously. If you need (pseudo)random data, use /dev/urandom. man random. |
| 00:11.24 | CakeProphet | so basically, I need to know, of all the "no internet connection Debian boot images", which ones do I need to install ndiswrapper and minimal Debian. |
| 00:11.32 | *** join/#debian dinya (n=dinya@net234-228.ertelecom.ru) |
| 00:11.47 | CakeProphet | *a minimal |
| 00:12.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 808] by debhelper |
| 00:12.03 | netdaemon | CakeProphet, most of the popular to use stuff is on the first cd |
| 00:12.07 | Wyzard | CakeProphet: There's a website somewhere that tells you which packages are on which CDs, though I don't know where it is |
| 00:12.22 | Decepticon | i am running Software Updates on Debian and I have a question: "Some of the packages could not be retrieved from the server(s) Do you want to continue, ignoring htese packages?" |
| 00:12.32 | CakeProphet | Wyzard, That would be extremely helpful... otherwise I would have to download them one at a time and see what has what. |
| 00:12.45 | Decepticon | What happens if I was originally selecting the kernel header packages, if it messed up one, doesnt it mess up dependencies? |
| 00:12.46 | macondo | I wish the installation was more verbose, for example show the download speed and total size. Is this available in lenny? |
| 00:12.53 | *** join/#debian r0b (n=rob@unaffiliated/r0b) |
| 00:12.59 | benjamindees | marsje, dd if=/dev/urandom of=/tmp/deleteme bs=512 count=20000 && time sha1sum /tmp/deleteme |
| 00:13.03 | marsje | Tramp: urandom is alot faster... |
| 00:13.13 | Decepticon | i am running Software Updates on Debian and I have a question: "Some of the packages could not be retrieved from the server(s) Do you want to continue, ignoring htese packages?" What happens if I was originally selecting the kernel header packages, if it messed up one, doesnt it mess up dependencies? |
| 00:13.30 | *** part/#debian versuchsanstalt (n=versuchs@p54855D9A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:13.39 | *** join/#debian wd (n=wd@71.143.241.62) |
| 00:13.48 | marsje | benjamindees: 20000? I guess your cpu cycles are cheaper ;-) |
| 00:13.52 | benjamindees | marsje, real 0.652s, user 0.565s, sys 0.087s |
| 00:14.14 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: in general it doesn't matter. |
| 00:14.25 | *** join/#debian humbolto (n=elias@ext.asb-online.at) |
| 00:14.27 | marsje | benjamindees: real 0m0.499s, user 0m0.432s, sys 0m0.064s |
| 00:14.40 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro, i ask because, all the packages were the new kernel headers/source packages for debian etch 2.6. something |
| 00:14.54 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro i am just afraid it might break something if i answer yes/no |
| 00:15.00 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro what should i answer then? |
| 00:15.03 | marsje | benjamindees: so I guess my good old pentium-II is still faster... |
| 00:15.09 | marsje | III I mean |
| 00:15.13 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro if i hit no, does it mean it will cancel the entire install? |
| 00:15.29 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: right; it'll just wait for you to try again later. |
| 00:15.29 | wd | darni, my system updated to etch with xorg from sarge, i want my xfree86 conf to be recofnzd instead of xorg (which i took off) how do i get xfree to be seen? |
| 00:15.38 | Decepticon | or does it mean it will try again now |
| 00:15.47 | wd | darnit** |
| 00:15.52 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: no, it won't try again now. |
| 00:15.57 | marsje | benjamindees: and you had a C7 1Gz? |
| 00:15.57 | Wyzard | marsje: wouldn't be too surprising; VIA's processors are designed to be energy-efficient, not fast |
| 00:16.21 | wd | how do i get xfree86 config recognized to startup xserver? |
| 00:16.22 | humbolto | Is it normal that I see less than the total memory in my dom0 even if no domU is running? |
| 00:16.25 | benjamindees | marsje, 733 mhz as far as I can tell |
| 00:16.25 | *** join/#debian idiocrash (n=idiocras@c-24-7-153-83.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 00:16.25 | marsje | Wyzard: that is true... but if you would run a modern cpu very slowly, wouldn't you have the same thing? |
| 00:16.29 | *** part/#debian Vegar (n=vegar@unaffiliated/vegar) |
| 00:16.38 | Decepticon | dondelelcaro, what is your advice, i simply do not want to break something. what should i answer, should i continue, ignoring these packages Yes/No? |
| 00:16.41 | Wyzard | marsje: not necessarily |
| 00:16.42 | *** join/#debian dav7 (n=dav7@121.223.223.219) |
| 00:16.50 | `mac` | lol named[3848]: lame server resolving |
| 00:16.57 | Wyzard | humbolto: Yes, that's normal -- dom0 gets a fixed amount of memory just like any other domain |
| 00:17.07 | benjamindees | marsje, and as Wyzard pointed out this is a i386 kernel |
| 00:17.10 | *** join/#debian slaytani1 (n=slaytani@200-55-66-60.dsl.prima.net.ar) |
| 00:17.17 | marsje | Wyzard: it's really complicated comparing cups... |
| 00:17.25 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: depends on what distribution; I generally just ignore them personally, unless I know that I'm using a round-robbin, in which case I wait and try again later. |
| 00:17.40 | dondelelcaro | Decepticon: that said, if you haven't recently run apt-get update, you should do that first, then try again. |
| 00:17.47 | Wyzard | benjamindees: C3 or C7? |
| 00:17.55 | Wyzard | benjamindees: You can use 686 stuff on a C7, just not on a C3 |
| 00:18.05 | marsje | Wyzard: can you run this one liner too? dd if=/dev/urandom of=/tmp/deleteme bs=512 count=20000 && time sha1sum /tmp/deleteme |
| 00:18.18 | benjamindees | Wyzard, it's a C3 |
| 00:18.30 | Wyzard | ah |
| 00:18.34 | marsje | ah, C3.. that is the older one |
| 00:19.21 | Wyzard | real 0m0.490s, user 0m0.396s, sys 0m0.068s |
| 00:19.22 | humbolto | Wyzard: But where is that configured? I did not see that anywhere. |
| 00:19.24 | Wyzard | 1GHz C7 |
| 00:20.01 | marsje | Wyzard: so that is almost the same as my P-III (and I'm not sure how fast it runs but I thought 500 MHz) |
| 00:20.28 | marsje | Wyzard: it runs fanless? |
| 00:20.31 | Wyzard | yep |
| 00:20.36 | marsje | nice |
| 00:20.44 | Wyzard | and 36W is pretty low-power |
| 00:20.49 | *** join/#debian Freduardo (n=Freduard@95.206-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 00:20.53 | wd | where is the XFree86 setup files located |
| 00:21.03 | benjamindees | my 1ghz PIII mobile: real 0.323s, user 0.224s, sys 0.008s |
| 00:21.10 | Wyzard | wd: XFree86 isn't used anymore; it's XOrg now |
| 00:21.10 | CakeProphet | Wyzard, aha. found it |
| 00:21.15 | marsje | there is also a 1.8 GHz C7, but I think you need a fan for that |
| 00:21.23 | *** join/#debian osmosis (n=steven@cpe-76-90-81-133.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 00:21.43 | Wyzard | yeah, the 1.0GHz was the fastest fanless one available when I bought it (about a year and a half ago) |
| 00:21.48 | marsje | benjamindees: that is a bit strange... |
| 00:22.00 | *** join/#debian r0b (n=rob@unaffiliated/r0b) |
| 00:22.09 | `mac` | wats up r0b |
| 00:22.12 | Wyzard | hehe... for comparison, my Core 2 Duo system: real 0m0.079s, user 0m0.040s, sys 0m0.004s |
| 00:22.13 | Decepticon | there is another poackage that is similar to fail2ban, does anyone know the name? |
| 00:22.19 | marsje | Wyzard: VIA has a nice board with dual ghz lan and SATA II |
| 00:22.35 | Wyzard | oh? |
| 00:22.51 | *** join/#debian D0c5i5 (n=caldwell@cpe-75-185-102-97.insight.res.rr.com) |
| 00:22.52 | Wyzard | mine has single 100mbit LAN, and I have a gigabit card in the one and only PCI slot |
| 00:23.00 | Wyzard | external and internal interfaces for the router, respectively |
| 00:23.09 | marsje | Wyzard: http://via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/motherboards.jsp?motherboard_id=550 |
| 00:23.36 | Wyzard | cool |
| 00:24.04 | Wyzard | I need to get a new case for mine, actually... mini-ITX cases and power supplies come together as a unit and aren't swappable, and the power supply died |
| 00:24.12 | marsje | correction: is lan is 100Mbps and the other one is 1Ghz |
| 00:24.19 | marsje | Gbps |
| 00:24.21 | marsje | argh |
| 00:24.27 | Wyzard | For now I have the cover off and a full-size PC PSU sitting on the floor next to it, with the cord reaching in |
| 00:24.29 | Supaplex | argv[] |
| 00:24.48 | *** join/#debian kazol (n=kazol@unaffiliated/kazol) |
| 00:24.55 | marsje | Wyzard: temporary setup I assume? ;-) |
| 00:25.02 | Wyzard | yeah, until I find a replacement |
| 00:25.13 | Wyzard | problem is, most of what's available is 60W PSUs |
| 00:25.34 | marsje | Wyzard: what do you mean, only 60? |
| 00:25.37 | Wyzard | and I'm not sure if that's enough -- it doesn't go above 40W when idling, but draws 62W for a few seconds when first turned on |
| 00:25.47 | kazol | If I just want to install the actual system and download updates later, should I only download http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r3-i386-CD-1.iso.torrent ? |
| 00:26.07 | marsje | Wyzard: I thought these picoPsu things were 80 watts |
| 00:26.17 | dondelelcaro | kazol: you could even just download the small netinst disk. |
| 00:26.20 | dondelelcaro | !netinst |
| 00:26.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso> |
| 00:26.26 | battlemidget | anyone running lighttpd with kerberos auth? |
| 00:26.27 | Wyzard | Welll, I'm looking specifically for mini-ITX stuff |
| 00:26.35 | dondelelcaro | battlemidget: best to just ask your question. |
| 00:26.38 | Wyzard | and there are a few 80W and even 120W ones available, but mostly 60W |
| 00:26.56 | battlemidget | dondelelcaro: that basically is my question -- i can't find if its possible |
| 00:27.15 | Wyzard | but the few 80W and 120W ones have other problems (that I found at the time, but don't remember offhand) |
| 00:27.30 | *** join/#debian cjns3274 (n=weechat@ool-45702981.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:27.31 | marsje | Wyzard: I was to connect 2 harddrives and a dvd-writer |
| 00:27.44 | dondelelcaro | battlemidget: what in particular do you want to do with lighttpd and kerberos? |
| 00:27.44 | *** join/#debian ben_goodger (n=ben@host217-42-221-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 00:27.58 | *** join/#debian tolecnal_ (n=tolecnal@215.80-203-134.nextgentel.com) |
| 00:27.58 | dondelelcaro | battlemidget: http basic authentication? |
| 00:28.03 | battlemidget | yea |
| 00:28.05 | CakeProphet | Wyzard, hmmm... it's not in 1 through 4. Perhaps I could get just the images that have ndiswrappers dependencies on it... and then have a seperate image with ndiswrapper by itself on it. In that case I'd need module-assistant, debhelper, gcc, and bzip2 |
| 00:28.08 | battlemidget | with tickets |
| 00:28.08 | *** join/#debian ulrik (n=ulrik@p57B0804F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 00:28.18 | kazol | dondelelcaro: No, because I have a wifi card. |
| 00:28.33 | dondelelcaro | kazol: then you can just get the first cd, or the first dvd if you want. |
| 00:28.33 | battlemidget | i can setup the browser easily enough |
| 00:28.39 | kazol | ok |
| 00:28.40 | marsje | Wyzard: I still haven't decided it will be a C7 system... might also be a "normal" mono that has lots integrated and doesn't use much power... size does not matter for me |
| 00:28.54 | Wyzard | CakeProphet: or you could just get the ndiswrapper .deb and its dependencies on another machine and transfer them over with a flash drive or something |
| 00:29.07 | dondelelcaro | battlemidget: yeah, I don't know enough about that; if no one else here answers, try asking on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 00:29.13 | CakeProphet | Wyzard, yep. |
| 00:29.29 | battlemidget | ok thanks -- i found a 3rd party module for apache 1.3 and 2.0 but it hasn't been updated since 2006 |
| 00:29.37 | marsje | ben_goodger: the Firefox guy? |
| 00:29.38 | `mac` | this is so awesome, i m not getting - + pts/0 ???:root |
| 00:29.44 | battlemidget | but i wanted to use lighttpd |
| 00:29.49 | *** join/#debian Cassie_ (n=cassandr@85.158.32.205) |
| 00:30.00 | CakeProphet | Wyzard, Hopefully this will work. I'm want to try something besides Windows. I'm already fairly familiar with the command line, so maybe the transition will go smoothly. |
| 00:30.07 | marsje | Cassie_: do you have a question about debian? |
| 00:30.14 | *** join/#debian mirezwer (n=mirezwer@252-172-222-85.adsl.verat.net) |
| 00:30.18 | Wyzard | marsje: The advantage to getting a regular PC would be versatility; for the VIA system I had to get the special Mini-ITX case and mini PSU (which is now turning out to be a problem) and a special half-height network card to fit in the case |
| 00:30.28 | humbolto | in order to autostart a xen instance on dom0 boot, do I need to put a file with the domUs name or a symlink in /etc/xen/auto? |
| 00:30.36 | battlemidget | yes |
| 00:30.40 | battlemidget | humbolto: symlink |
| 00:30.53 | kazol | I want to install Debian on a partition that currently has Ubuntu (the hd also has a Windows partition); is it best to make third partition, backup all documents to it (from Ubuntu), and then install Debian onto the Ubuntu partition? |
| 00:31.00 | marsje | Wyzard: yeah, and all this special small stuff is twice as expensive. But for regular mobos there is not information o/focus on power usage |
| 00:31.04 | battlemidget | humbolto: if you use virt-manager and libvirt there is an option in the gui to set as auto start |
| 00:31.10 | *** join/#debian sPHERE^ (n=Spheree@ti0097a380-0039.bb.online.no) |
| 00:31.29 | battlemidget | humbolto: i setup a quick wiki here http://wiki.debian.org/KVM |
| 00:31.40 | humbolto | battlemidget: which does create the symlink for me? |
| 00:32.02 | battlemidget | humbolto: you symlink the config |
| 00:32.39 | benjamindees | kazol, sounds like a good idea |
| 00:33.34 | humbolto | what is the xenstore daemon for? |
| 00:33.34 | kazol | benjamindees: What about the MBR?-Will it boot Debian first or automatically configure GRUB? |
| 00:33.57 | *** join/#debian macuser-_ (n=Hanif@CPE000c4176ad71-CM0012c99ea154.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 00:34.11 | benjamindees | kazol, I'd let the debian installer overwrite it |
| 00:34.44 | kazol | Ok, good. |
| 00:34.57 | benjamindees | kazol, it will automatically setup windows at least ;) |
| 00:35.17 | *** join/#debian R430R (i=angel@80.97.89.33) |
| 00:35.23 | kazol | So I'll then transfer the files, rm the partition, and resize the other partitions. |
| 00:35.34 | kazol | benjamindees: Sounds good :) |
| 00:35.46 | *** join/#debian macuser-_ (n=Hanif@CPE000c4176ad71-CM0012c99ea154.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 00:38.29 | *** join/#debian ben_goodger (n=ben@host217-42-221-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 00:38.44 | *** part/#debian ben_goodger (n=ben@host217-42-221-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 00:39.36 | *** join/#debian macondo (n=sebas@201.234.25.181) |
| 00:40.45 | benjamindees | after three hours, this usb backup thing isn't as awesome as I originally imagined |
| 00:41.41 | Wing_ | Is it right that I want to smash this server with a hammer? |
| 00:42.00 | Wing_ | It's on the other end of the building, it needs one last reboot |
| 00:42.08 | Wing_ | normally, the reboot command is prettymuch the only thing that works |
| 00:42.12 | Wing_ | but I've got it so that everything works |
| 00:42.18 | macondo | great, I installed etch on my old 300MHz P2 :) |
| 00:42.19 | *** join/#debian ggeecko (n=ggeecko@c-76-97-44-124.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 00:42.25 | Wing_ | but reboot and shutdown just kind of... sit there. |
| 00:42.33 | benjamindees | I was going to say, any server running debian shouldn't be within smashing distance... |
| 00:43.34 | Wing_ | sighs and wanders off to the other end of the world |
| 00:43.48 | *** part/#debian macondo (n=sebas@201.234.25.181) |
| 00:43.53 | Wyzard | marsje: FWIW, I think if I were going to build another router box, I'd use a regular PC, but look for a fanless one nonetheless |
| 00:45.04 | *** join/#debian humbolto (n=elias@ext.asb-online.at) |
| 00:45.27 | benjamindees | I like my C3 because it is small and cost $150 and has done everything I've asked of it so far (which is to copy ethernet frames) but I probably wouldn't choose one for a server specifically |
| 00:45.36 | *** join/#debian lowlevel (n=Stuart@lowlevel.ca) |
| 00:45.55 | *** part/#debian IamSOG (n=IamSOG@n219079207250.netvigator.com) |
| 00:45.56 | *** part/#debian mirak (n=mirak@m179.net81-66-123.noos.fr) |
| 00:46.57 | Decepticon | how do i prevent a command in cron from reporting itself to /var/log/syslog (i have a command i run every minute, it is just flooding syslog with nonessential info) |
| 00:47.25 | vorpal | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.51 | vorpal | or tell your command to be silent |
| 00:48.45 | Wyzard | benjamindees: I have no complaints about the processor itself; I'm thinking about the limited selection and higher price of replacements for things like the case and PSU :-) |
| 00:49.09 | *** join/#debian unix_infidel (n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745) |
| 00:49.13 | Decepticon | May 2 20:46:01 decepticon /USR/SBIN/CRON[21334]: (decepticon) CMD (/bin/sh /hom |
| 00:49.13 | Decepticon | e/decepticon/np.sh >>/dev/null 2>&1) |
| 00:49.21 | Decepticon | its not reporting the output |
| 00:49.22 | marsje | Wyzard: finding hardware is a pain in the *ss... there a a zillion CPUs and a zillion mobos and hardly ever you can find out how much power it uses and how it compares to others |
| 00:49.35 | Decepticon | vorpal: its not reporting the output, it is simply reporting that it did it |
| 00:49.45 | *** join/#debian lwt (n=lwt@58.61.42.100) |
| 00:49.45 | benjamindees | Wyzard, it was $150 with the case and the PSU :p |
| 00:49.56 | Wyzard | marsje: http://www.p3international.com/products/special/P4400/P4400-CE.html |
| 00:50.11 | Wyzard | marsje: Not that it helps before you've bought the hardware, but that's how I know my router draws 36-40W when idle |
| 00:50.35 | *** join/#debian psycodad (n=obiwan@2001:4060:4419:b1:0:0:0:2) |
| 00:51.07 | `mac` | this is good i m getting someone with mod-security |
| 00:51.20 | marsje | Wyzard: I would like to have such a thing, but it probably costs as much a CPU or mobo |
| 00:51.30 | vorpal | Decepticon: what is the exit code of your command? |
| 00:51.33 | *** join/#debian neosmatrix (n=neosmatr@i59F4D5D8.versanet.de) |
| 00:51.34 | Decepticon | my crontab says "*/2 * * * * /bin/sh /home/decepticon/np.sh >>/dev/null 2>&1" |
| 00:51.37 | Tramp | Decepticon: afaik you cannot disable cron logging on a per-command basis. If you want to disable cron-logging, do it in your syslog.conf |
| 00:51.41 | Decepticon | vorpal i do not know |
| 00:51.49 | Wyzard | marsje: Actually, it's less than $20 USD on newegg |
| 00:51.52 | Decepticon | vorpal what should it be? |
| 00:51.56 | Wyzard | marsje: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882715001 |
| 00:52.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 799] by debhelper |
| 00:52.13 | Decepticon | Tramp, i have other commands, they do not report every time they ran though |
| 00:52.15 | vorpal | Decepticon: zero is sucess. perhaps it is returning non-zero |
| 00:52.30 | Decepticon | ok, i will check the script if it has exit 0; at the end |
| 00:52.50 | marsje | Wyzard: and dollars are cheap (I'm in Euro-land) |
| 00:53.18 | Wyzard | marsje: I dunno if newegg ships to EU, but anyway, it's inexpensive... useful tool to have |
| 00:53.27 | vorpal | Decepticon: you may also want to undo the /dev/null stuff until it is debugged |
| 00:54.07 | Decepticon | good idea, i will check that as well |
| 00:54.17 | Wyzard | marsje: You could check the power consumption of your P-III before you go buying something new :-) |
| 00:54.29 | *** join/#debian codeamuk (n=codeamuk@c-98-216-187-20.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 00:54.31 | Tramp | Decepticon: huh - really? That's news to me. |
| 00:54.50 | *** join/#debian tombhadAC (n=tombhad@pD95DECD9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:55.07 | Decepticon | Tramp oh so it ssupposed to do this? |
| 00:55.30 | marsje | Wyzard: good idea.. will try to find it here |
| 00:56.02 | Tramp | Decepticon: if you have it enabled (in syslog.conf) it logs the start of every command (on the default loglevel). |
| 00:56.33 | Decepticon | Tramp, but theres no way to exclude on a per-command basis then? |
| 00:56.36 | Tramp | Decepticon: so I'd be surprised, if you have commands which are run but not logged. |
| 00:57.01 | *** join/#debian ralphy23 (n=dusty@host81-152-0-202.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) |
| 00:57.05 | ralphy23 | Hey guys I have an issue can you check this out: http://rafb.net/p/rz4WKg19.html im not sure why amavis freaks out ? |
| 00:57.09 | *** join/#debian iaguis_ (n=iaguis@cm125127.red83-165.mundo-r.com) |
| 00:57.13 | PhrkOnLsh | Why doesn't OpenOffice.org's spell checker work in debian when I apt-get it? |
| 00:57.17 | Tramp | Decepticon: that's what I know - and I rarely give a negative answer ("you can't do this") unless I'm pretty sure |
| 00:57.28 | Decepticon | Tramp is there anyway to achieve running this command every two minutes and not flooding /var/log/syslog besides using cron (maybe i can make a script taht runs @reboot that never finishes, but rather loops every 2 minutes instead?) |
| 00:57.31 | netdaemon | PhrkOnLsh, yuo need hunspell-en |
| 00:57.50 | PhrkOnLsh | thanks netdaemon |
| 00:58.30 | catsup | Tramp: how can you trust someone named 'Decepticon'? |
| 00:58.32 | Tramp | Decepticon: of course you could make a daemon out of your command - I just doubt it is worth the effort |
| 00:58.35 | catsup | Tramp: obviously he's making this all up |
| 00:58.44 | PhrkOnLsh | the package is just hunspell, fwiw |
| 00:59.05 | Tramp | catsup: well but ... would you trust a Tramp? |
| 00:59.11 | Decepticon | haha |
| 00:59.13 | jim | is there someone named decepticon? |
| 00:59.13 | Decepticon | touche |
| 00:59.19 | jim | I guess so :) |
| 01:00.24 | catsup | Tramp: of course i would trust a tramp |
| 01:00.28 | catsup | honor amongst thieves and all that |
| 01:01.08 | Tramp | catsup: *g* - ok then. |
| 01:01.10 | Decepticon | Tramp well i have other commands id rather not see flooding /var/log/syslog maybe i can make a daemon and stick them all in it. how would i go about making a daemon? |
| 01:01.33 | *** join/#debian TwinX (n=TwinX@060-046-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 01:01.36 | Tramp | Decepticon: well, you should be able to restrict logging to just cron.log, not syslog if this is what bothers you. |
| 01:01.49 | Decepticon | yes that would work as well! |
| 01:02.35 | Tramp | Decepticon: actually it should do so by default .... Is this etch or lenny? |
| 01:02.43 | Decepticon | etch |
| 01:03.06 | *** join/#debian torrr (n=ofirg@bzq-79-182-108-103.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 01:03.21 | Decepticon | well, im seeing all my reports of launching cron commands in /var/log/syslog apparently so i guess its not seperating them out into a seperate cron.log? |
| 01:05.30 | Tramp | Decepticon: ok, I have lenny, so maybe this is the diff. Chech your /etc/syslog.conf - yeah. in lenny there is a seperate line for cron but also no exception for syslog, just for messages. |
| 01:06.03 | Decepticon | hm it is commented out |
| 01:06.09 | Decepticon | #cron.* /var/log/cron.log |
| 01:06.34 | Tramp | yeah. comment this in. Then add an exception for syslog.log |
| 01:06.46 | *** join/#debian tython (i=tython@116.226.42.104) |
| 01:06.50 | Decepticon | exception? |
| 01:07.12 | *** join/#debian phrozen77 (n=phrozen7@unaffiliated/phrozen77) |
| 01:07.38 | Tramp | Decepticon: somthing like "...;cron.none" in the line referencing syslog.log. There should be one for auth/authpriv already |
| 01:07.59 | *** part/#debian marsje (n=anonymou@mrcl.xs4all.nl) |
| 01:08.13 | Decepticon | i think ill read man syslog.conf because im not familiar with this |
| 01:08.23 | Tramp | Decepticon: compare the line for messages.log - syslog.conf syntax is a mess. |
| 01:08.41 | Tramp | I mean, the line for /var/log/messages |
| 01:08.41 | *** join/#debian balibalo_ (n=chatzill@120samana78.codetel.net.do) |
| 01:09.27 | Tramp | Decepticon: you may also have to create the file (cron.log) manually and restart sysklogd, because syslog itself is a mess as well |
| 01:09.43 | *** join/#debian dendrite (n=ph@dsl092-150-203.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 01:11.15 | *** join/#debian neosmatrix_ (n=neosmatr@i59F4E9A3.versanet.de) |
| 01:13.26 | *** join/#debian codeamuk (n=codeamuk@c-98-216-187-20.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 01:15.48 | humbolto | is lenny a stable xen environment? |
| 01:16.54 | markybob | humbolto lenny is testing |
| 01:17.23 | *** join/#debian Baloo (n=baloo@75-175-113-218.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 01:19.25 | *** join/#debian Southern (n=Southern@80.174.14.85.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 01:19.27 | Southern | Hi |
| 01:19.50 | Southern | is there anyway to disable the mouse's ball ??? |
| 01:20.12 | abrotman | unplug it from the computer? |
| 01:21.23 | *** join/#debian AfterDea1h (i=icxcnika@freenode/contributor/afterdeath) |
| 01:21.34 | *** join/#debian eternita (n=me@67.18.208.109) |
| 01:21.38 | Southern | abrotman, xD just gonna open it and take it out :) |
| 01:22.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 790] by debhelper |
| 01:22.04 | *** join/#debian unix_infidel (n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745) |
| 01:22.05 | abrotman | that'll work |
| 01:22.51 | *** join/#debian ma3x_ (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 01:23.47 | markybob | only try to realize the truth: there is no ball |
| 01:23.49 | markybob | :P |
| 01:25.01 | *** join/#debian wrlinn (n=ds@adsl-71-135-54-84.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 01:25.09 | *** join/#debian CAiRO- (n=tooar@p4FC2585F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 01:25.15 | dondelelcaro | markybob: that's because he's upgraded to an optical mouse. |
| 01:25.34 | markybob | heh :) |
| 01:26.20 | *** join/#debian gordboy (n=gordboy@host217-42-30-197.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 01:26.28 | *** join/#debian rcahilig (i=ca4e4bf5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-92642648eee1ce5f) |
| 01:26.58 | *** join/#debian amanoel (i=amanoel@unaffiliated/amanoel) |
| 01:28.43 | *** join/#debian rcahilig (i=ca4e4bf5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e562570c26117b45) |
| 01:29.57 | *** part/#debian rcahilig (i=ca4e4bf5@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e562570c26117b45) |
| 01:30.32 | Caelum | is waiting for a new kernel to fix stupid usb-storage bug |
| 01:30.43 | *** join/#debian Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@supporter/monthlybyte/DarkApostrophe) |
| 01:31.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know when 2.6.25 packages will start appearing in the repos? |
| 01:32.22 | *** join/#debian Joelito (i=joel@201.160.207.148.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) |
| 01:32.23 | abrotman | they already have |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | !tell Dark_Apostrophe about search |
| 01:32.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Weird.. I didn't see them :/ |
| 01:33.16 | *** join/#debian _bb05 (i=123@96.28.195.159) |
| 01:33.46 | Joelito | How can run mplayer in gui mode, the one with the blue skin |
| 01:33.53 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: ah |
| 01:33.54 | Wyzard | Joelito: gmplayer |
| 01:34.06 | Dark_Apostrophe | abrotman: Did they appear today? I didn't see them last time I did apt-get update (a day or two ago) |
| 01:34.14 | Wyzard | Dark_Apostrophe: been there for a few days |
| 01:34.24 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ah. |
| 01:34.32 | Joelito | Wyzard: Thanks :) |
| 01:34.32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sorry, then. My bad. :) |
| 01:35.39 | *** join/#debian hikenboot (n=ubuntu@c-75-67-11-49.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 01:35.47 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.27 | *** join/#debian B-ker (i=beker@189.193.77.214) |
| 01:36.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | netsplit, anyone? |
| 01:36.30 | *** join/#debian eldowan (n=grant@65.203.97.98) |
| 01:36.30 | *** join/#debian CAiRO- (n=tooar@p4FC2585F.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.30 | *** join/#debian wrlinn (n=ds@adsl-71-135-54-84.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.30 | *** join/#debian psyche (n=psyche@unaffiliated/psyche) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.30 | *** join/#debian dga (n=dga@adsl-67-117-26-152.dsl.chic01.pacbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.30 | *** join/#debian akafurious (n=akafurio@CPE00121713f42b-CM000a73a87e26.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.30 | *** join/#debian Aubustou (n=Gentoux@APoitiers-153-1-76-83.w86-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.44 | *** join/#debian markybob (n=markybob@unaffiliated/markybob) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.44 | *** join/#debian nkuttler (n=nicolas@dslb-084-059-007-100.pools.arcor-ip.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.44 | *** join/#debian up365 (n=up365@c-68-45-221-75.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.44 | *** join/#debian colbinator (n=colby@lanip-170-65.go180.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.44 | *** join/#debian master_of_master (n=master_o@p549D58AB.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.44 | *** join/#debian MisterSnoopeH (n=tyler243@74-138-184-78.dhcp.insightbb.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.44 | *** join/#debian graytron (n=gray@h-62-142-156-151.joensuunelli.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.44 | *** join/#debian syscrash (n=syscrash@poipu/developer/syscrash) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.44 | *** join/#debian bb05 (i=123@96.28.195.159) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.44 | *** join/#debian CrazyEddy (n=CrazyEdd@wrongplanet/CrazyEddy) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.44 | *** join/#debian gmc (n=gmc@freenode/sponsor/gmc) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.45 | *** join/#debian naiv (n=naiv@abo-31-17-69.bdx.modulonet.fr) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.45 | *** join/#debian AcTi (n=activate@diana58.plusserver.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.45 | *** join/#debian kimusan^^ (n=kimusan@ip205.tankegang.dk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.45 | *** join/#debian Caelum (n=rkitover@gateway.walmart.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian gentgeen__ (n=kevin@c-71-199-116-242.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian muramas (n=muramas@fnord.cyberdiscordia.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian chaoticflaws (n=andru1kr@cps-io.cps.cmich.edu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian AciD (n=gni@unaffiliated/acid) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian sidewalk (i=sidewalk@shell.glassbilen.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian PhrkOnLsh (n=rrix@higgs.soleus.nu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian nadar (i=nadar@80.86.85.84) |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian iter (i=iter@bipolar.obliviated.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian efaistos (n=efaistos@ns24847.ovh.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian henr_k (i=henrikau@asterix.samfundet.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian jerome (n=jerome@jardinmagique.info) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian triak (i=triak@hu.kas.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian PMT (n=rich@c-68-39-249-165.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian justin (n=justin@irssi.datacomm.albany.edu) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian flosch (n=flosch@unaffiliated/flosch) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 01:36.46 | rhineheart_m | any update if webmin will be back to repo? |
| 01:36.46 | Joelito | yeah :p |
| 01:36.47 | markybob | Dark_Apostrophe dont know if you got your answer due to the netsplit, but it's already in unstable |
| 01:36.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | markybob: Yeah, I saw it, thanks |
| 01:36.51 | hikenboot | I guess I will try it again |
| 01:36.54 | hikenboot | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.02 | hikenboot | stupid netsplit |
| 01:38.55 | *** join/#debian wrlinn (n=ds@adsl-71-135-54-84.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 01:40.31 | *** join/#debian fr00g (n=frog@p4FD487ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:43.15 | `mac` | having issues, just made a pub key for update for some reason i m getting an error most be pin point wrong page or something.. |
| 01:43.29 | `mac` | W: GPG error: http://etc.inittab.org etch/ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY |
| 01:43.51 | *** join/#debian githogori_ (n=githogor@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 01:44.45 | markybob | `mac` read the topic |
| 01:45.41 | *** join/#debian yigal (n=yigal@pool-71-118-45-152.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 01:46.04 | yigal | debian is far superior than all its derivatives ha ha ha! |
| 01:46.16 | *** join/#debian biopyte (n=kiwi@c-24-91-113-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 01:46.33 | *** join/#debian biopyte (n=kiwi@c-24-91-113-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 01:47.14 | *** join/#debian Davey (n=davey@unaffiliated/davey) |
| 01:47.22 | *** join/#debian Caelum (n=rkitover@gateway.walmart.com) |
| 01:47.34 | `mac` | exellent markybob, what i was looking for |
| 01:51.23 | *** join/#debian Paddy_EIRE (n=patrick@84.13.116.200) |
| 01:51.23 | `mac` | how do i check to see which version i got lenny or etch |
| 01:51.55 | Caelum | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:52.07 | abrotman | !version |
| 01:52.07 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 01:52.10 | `mac` | Linux 2.6.18-6-amd64 x86_64 |
| 01:52.18 | `mac` | tx Caelum |
| 01:52.33 | `mac` | 4.0 not clear, |
| 01:52.52 | markybob | 4.0 is etch |
| 01:53.21 | `mac` | ok.. |
| 01:53.53 | `mac` | need a install a pub key order for me to install libapache2-mod-security2 |
| 01:54.07 | *** join/#debian vorpal (n=rhunter@pdpc/supporter/student/vorpal) |
| 01:54.54 | *** join/#debian lwt (n=lwt@58.61.42.100) |
| 01:55.47 | *** join/#debian spacepup (n=spacepup@c212132.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 01:55.57 | *** join/#debian Noven1 (n=Noven@ip68-106-47-196.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 01:56.20 | *** join/#debian ggeecko (n=ggeecko@c-76-97-44-124.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 01:58.00 | *** join/#debian unfancyness (n=unfancyn@85.127.107.116) |
| 01:58.25 | unfancyness | can someone explain to me why /etc/debian.version tells me "lenny/sid"? |
| 01:58.32 | unfancyness | ..because that doesn't really sound sane |
| 01:59.19 | jim | unfancyness, you're not running a dist that has a version number? |
| 01:59.24 | unfancyness | plus i have to do dist-upgrade every now and then, which gives me odd feelings |
| 01:59.32 | unfancyness | jim, i am running debian4 |
| 01:59.36 | unfancyness | at elast that's what i installed |
| 01:59.50 | jim | not according to your version |
| 01:59.54 | unfancyness | also there is on mention of sid in sources.list |
| 01:59.56 | abrotman | unfancyness: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 01:59.57 | unfancyness | so i dunno |
| 02:00.12 | *** join/#debian zink_ (n=GOTA@pc-209-33-239-201.cm.vtr.net) |
| 02:00.26 | unfancyness | panther:/home/nihil# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:00.31 | unfancyness | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 02:00.38 | abrotman | that's not etch/4.0 |
| 02:00.43 | dendrite | unfancyness: apt-cache policy may offer clues also. |
| 02:00.57 | abrotman | !info libc6 unstable |
| 02:01.20 | *** join/#debian DaRtH_VaDeR (n=anakin@unaffiliated/darthvader/x-892375) |
| 02:01.29 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-10 (sid), Packaged size: 4301 kB, Installed size: 10400 kB |
| 02:01.39 | markybob | lenny has 2.7, too. etch has 2.3.6 |
| 02:02.02 | jim | pastebin the sources.list |
| 02:02.17 | abrotman | markybob: it does .. but i don't think it's up to -10 yet |
| 02:02.17 | unfancyness | lenny is testing, right? |
| 02:02.26 | jim | yes |
| 02:02.29 | unfancyness | okay.. |
| 02:02.54 | unfancyness | i obviously got one experimental source |
| 02:03.28 | jim | then you're running experimental? |
| 02:03.30 | unfancyness | is it save to remove it/do an update and edit debian.version? |
| 02:03.46 | jim | you can't safely downgrade |
| 02:03.59 | unfancyness | no |
| 02:04.04 | *** part/#debian DynV (n=william@unaffiliated/dynv) |
| 02:04.17 | markybob | unfancyness it's impossible to know how many 'not stable' packages you have. so no, not while being sure about system integrity |
| 02:04.17 | unfancyness | it seems i added a source for a certain package .. |
| 02:04.34 | unfancyness | even tho i can't remember... it says "experimental".. |
| 02:04.39 | unfancyness | markybob, so.. how to "make sure"? |
| 02:04.43 | jim | so you have some kind of mixture |
| 02:04.58 | unfancyness | yes.. |
| 02:05.05 | markybob | i thought i just said you couldnt |
| 02:05.16 | unfancyness | does it help if i remove the source and the package i installed from it? |
| 02:05.19 | jim | you could make sure you're fully upgraded |
| 02:05.32 | *** join/#debian matadon (n=matadon@163.96-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net) |
| 02:05.38 | jim | you still have an updated libc6 |
| 02:05.46 | unfancyness | oh.. the impossible was an absolute.. hm.. |
| 02:05.55 | jim | pretty much |
| 02:06.18 | unfancyness | and the fact that i know the (only?) package i installed from that source doesn't help? |
| 02:06.22 | jim | I mean, you -could- reinstall but leave your /home partition alone |
| 02:06.30 | matadon | Has KAME (ipsec-tools) become the de-facto standard for IPsec on Linux? |
| 02:06.48 | markybob | unfancyness libc6 is a serious 'core' package. it's not like that |
| 02:06.49 | unfancyness | jim, i would very much prefer no to |
| 02:07.01 | unfancyness | it's been a pain to get all the hw working |
| 02:07.08 | jim | well... welcome to experimental then... |
| 02:07.21 | *** join/#debian icedtea (n=Paul@adsl-76-234-169-171.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:07.26 | *** join/#debian felix_da_catz (n=felix_da@72.171.148.91) |
| 02:07.29 | unfancyness | markybob, are you saying that libc6 already traps me in sid? |
| 02:07.44 | unfancyness | jim, :D |
| 02:07.46 | jim | or lenny |
| 02:07.49 | markybob | unfancyness i'm saying you're not gonna get things back to being etch |
| 02:07.57 | unfancyness | i never was @ etch |
| 02:08.03 | unfancyness | it was lenny |
| 02:08.37 | unfancyness | 1 package obviously changed that.. |
| 02:08.37 | markybob | <unfancyness> jim, i am running debian4 |
| 02:08.37 | markybob | <unfancyness> at elast that's what i installed |
| 02:08.37 | jim | wait, you said debian 4 |
| 02:08.37 | unfancyness | <markybob> lenny has 2.7, too. etch has 2.3.6 |
| 02:08.37 | jim | remember that lenny doesn't have a number |
| 02:08.45 | markybob | unfancyness i know that. i said that |
| 02:08.46 | unfancyness | hmmmm |
| 02:08.54 | jim | what do you want exactly? |
| 02:08.55 | unfancyness | okay then sorry.. i think that debian4 one wasn't right.. |
| 02:09.09 | unfancyness | debian4 was the current stable one then.. |
| 02:09.15 | unfancyness | but i did a lenny-netinst |
| 02:09.17 | jim | correct... |
| 02:09.23 | jim | ok, so you had lenny |
| 02:09.24 | unfancyness | i want it to be lenny again? |
| 02:09.36 | jim | and you have probably lenny plus a few experimentals |
| 02:09.38 | unfancyness | be @ |
| 02:09.46 | unfancyness | yes.. |
| 02:09.56 | unfancyness | so question is how to proceed.. |
| 02:10.08 | *** join/#debian solexx (n=jrschulz@e176113064.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 02:10.12 | unfancyness | i know the package name that i installed from the sid source |
| 02:10.26 | *** join/#debian Coweater (n=coweater@pool-71-164-253-91.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) |
| 02:10.35 | jim | had you been using aptitude to install? |
| 02:10.38 | unfancyness | markybob, yeah, as i said.. sorry .. my mistake, i ain't on etch |
| 02:10.42 | unfancyness | no |
| 02:10.46 | unfancyness | i only do atp-get |
| 02:11.51 | unfancyness | so.. how do i find which dependencies this 1 package (freemind) changed? |
| 02:13.05 | *** join/#debian r0b (n=rob@unaffiliated/r0b) |
| 02:13.57 | aredhel | unfancyness, set all your sources to lenny. Update, then go into aptiude, and remove all the obsolete packages that you are not using. Wait a week and repeat. |
| 02:13.59 | azeem | unfancyness: /var/log/dpkg.log, maybe |
| 02:14.19 | jim | before you said something like you have to upgrade (and it gives you some funny feeling) |
| 02:14.29 | jim | why do you have to upgrade? |
| 02:14.45 | unfancyness | talking to me jim? |
| 02:14.47 | *** join/#debian [intra]lanman (n=lanman@75-105-17-160.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 02:14.54 | unfancyness | aredhel, aptitude gives me the creeps |
| 02:15.09 | mimcpher | lol unfancyness |
| 02:15.14 | aredhel | unfancyness, get used to doing things your self then. |
| 02:15.27 | unfancyness | aredhel, actually i am :D |
| 02:15.41 | unfancyness | just need some pointers to find the deps freemind changed |
| 02:17.08 | unfancyness | apt-cache depend... of course :D |
| 02:20.50 | unfancyness | !info sun-java5-jre |
| 02:20.58 | unfancyness | !info sun-java5-jre lenny |
| 02:21.20 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-15-1 (sid), Packaged size: 7455 kB, Installed size: 16192 kB |
| 02:21.21 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-14-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 7290 kB, Installed size: 16192 kB |
| 02:21.31 | unfancyness | !info sun-java5-jre testing |
| 02:21.33 | dpkg | sun-java5-jre: (Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 (architecture independent files)), section non-free/libs, is optional. Version: 1.5.0-14-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 7290 kB, Installed size: 16192 kB |
| 02:21.36 | unfancyness | damn, sry |
| 02:21.40 | jim | notes you can message the bot |
| 02:21.44 | unfancyness | ! |
| 02:21.47 | unfancyness | ta |
| 02:21.56 | *** join/#debian radius (n=cube@pdpc/supporter/active/radius) |
| 02:23.19 | abrotman | or use packages.debian.org |
| 02:24.02 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@61.51.163.144) |
| 02:24.27 | unfancyness | oh well, i can't find a single sid package |
| 02:24.46 | unfancyness | not even freemind, the package that came from the sid source :S |
| 02:25.13 | unfancyness | isn't there some convenient way to find any package that's not the "lenny version"? |
| 02:25.22 | unfancyness | and please don't tell me aptitude :D |
| 02:26.31 | azeem | unfancyness: freemind has the same version in testing and unstable |
| 02:26.49 | unfancyness | i see.. |
| 02:26.57 | unfancyness | ..as seem to be its dependencies.. |
| 02:27.00 | unfancyness | ... so... what could happen (worst case) if i just remove the source, edit the version and act like it never happened? |
| 02:27.00 | jim | so maybe you have all lenny now after all |
| 02:27.07 | unfancyness | !! |
| 02:27.07 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 02:27.14 | unfancyness | lol |
| 02:27.25 | jim | why would you alter the version? |
| 02:27.43 | *** join/#debian isaquefd (n=isaquefd@20158141244.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 02:27.47 | unfancyness | because i don't want to do dist-upgrade every 2 weeks? |
| 02:27.54 | azeem | alter which version? |
| 02:27.56 | unfancyness | and i rather have lenny than a hybrid |
| 02:27.57 | jim | why would it affect that? |
| 02:28.07 | jim | you can alter sources.list |
| 02:28.18 | jim | don't alter /etc/debian_version |
| 02:28.25 | unfancyness | okay.. |
| 02:28.40 | unfancyness | but will sources.list affect the version? |
| 02:28.45 | *** join/#debian Jonbo (n=Jonbo123@adsl-068-209-082-227.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 02:28.48 | azeem | what version? |
| 02:28.53 | azeem | unfancyness: please try to be more specific |
| 02:28.58 | unfancyness | or did i already screw up bigtime by installing a sid pkg in lenny? |
| 02:29.03 | azeem | there's millions of different version involved in Debian |
| 02:29.09 | unfancyness | it says lenny/sid in debian.version |
| 02:29.14 | unfancyness | which sounds just insane |
| 02:29.15 | azeem | that's expected |
| 02:29.20 | unfancyness | yes.. |
| 02:29.37 | unfancyness | and i want to "fix" this to be @ lenny again.. |
| 02:29.43 | aredhel | unfancyness, thats what it says in both lenny and sid. |
| 02:29.49 | unfancyness | OH! |
| 02:29.51 | azeem | unfancyness: 04:26 < azeem> that's expected |
| 02:30.15 | *** join/#debian patarok (n=patarok@d86-32-235-82.cust.tele2.at) |
| 02:30.15 | unfancyness | oh, that's what you meant, i thought it was expected because i installed a sid pkg in lenny |
| 02:30.16 | azeem | unfancyness: as packages transition from sid to lenny automatically, you cannot expect that file to magically change the content |
| 02:30.18 | patarok | hello |
| 02:30.29 | jim | btw, why are you not doing just etch? |
| 02:30.41 | unfancyness | so....... i get the dist-upgrade messages, because... ? |
| 02:30.50 | azeem | unfancyness: what message? |
| 02:30.52 | azeem | dude |
| 02:30.52 | unfancyness | jim, i got a pretty new notebook |
| 02:30.59 | patarok | could somebody tell me if apples dashboard is java-code? |
| 02:31.01 | jim | and? |
| 02:31.10 | azeem | patarok: please ask a channel where this is ontopic |
| 02:31.10 | unfancyness | even had to patch the kernel to get cpufreq to work.. |
| 02:31.18 | unfancyness | need new versions of hal and similar |
| 02:31.26 | azeem | unfancyness: 04:28 < azeem> unfancyness: what message? |
| 02:31.39 | unfancyness | azeem, yes hold on, typing |
| 02:31.40 | patarok | so you could run it in Debian? |
| 02:31.57 | azeem | you could? |
| 02:32.01 | unfancyness | azeem, well. "message".. its more like i have to do it.. i.e. when the automatic update notification comes up it tells me to dist-upgrade.. |
| 02:32.16 | azeem | unfancyness: right, lenny is continuously being upgraded |
| 02:32.22 | azeem | unfancyness: if you don't like that, run stable |
| 02:32.31 | azeem | or don't upgrade, d'oh |
| 02:32.40 | unfancyness | but isn't dist-upgrade to "change between" versions |
| 02:32.42 | jim | it gives him a funny feeling when he upgrades |
| 02:32.44 | patarok | gutsn8tle |
| 02:32.46 | azeem | unfancyness: no |
| 02:32.51 | unfancyness | like to go lenny -> sid you need dist-upgrade |
| 02:32.53 | unfancyness | oh? |
| 02:33.01 | unfancyness | azeem, mind enlightening me? |
| 02:33.05 | azeem | unfancyness: *if* you go from lenny->sid you need to dist-upgrade |
| 02:33.15 | azeem | that doesn't mean every dist-upgrade changes the dist |
| 02:33.30 | *** join/#debian roodie (n=evil@cp82868-b.dbsch1.nb.home.nl) |
| 02:33.31 | unfancyness | <azeem> unfancyness: if you don't like that, run stable <- i have no problem with it, i just thought it was my err that it had to |
| 02:33.33 | azeem | it's just to tell APT to also add/remove packages along the upgrade, something it wouldn't do otherwise |
| 02:33.41 | unfancyness | i see |
| 02:33.42 | jim | now it's unclear what you're running... |
| 02:33.47 | jim | maybe you are running sid |
| 02:33.48 | unfancyness | so it is my brain that created this problem out of thin air |
| 02:33.49 | azeem | he's runniy lenny |
| 02:33.52 | *** join/#debian fvwmnet (n=sdfpme@116.4.100.58) |
| 02:33.53 | unfancyness | that's great to hear :D |
| 02:33.55 | *** join/#debian lwt (n=lwt@58.61.42.100) |
| 02:34.01 | abrotman | doesn't he have sid sources? |
| 02:34.04 | unfancyness | no i am doing lenny |
| 02:34.07 | unfancyness | all sources are testing |
| 02:34.13 | azeem | ... again |
| 02:34.17 | unfancyness | not anymore i don't |
| 02:34.24 | *** join/#debian Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@216-53-82.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 02:34.43 | unfancyness | azeem, sooo.. thanks a bunch so for.. |
| 02:35.00 | *** join/#debian neonoe (n=alexandr@bling182.fr) |
| 02:35.00 | *** join/#debian method_ (n=method@79.131.129.60) |
| 02:35.11 | *** join/#debian TbbW (n=wolf@c-add1e253.014-2012-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 02:35.18 | unfancyness | far* ... but then.. what does dist-upgrad actually do.. and why do you have to have a difference to just "upgrade"? |
| 02:35.22 | *** join/#debian nux (i=nux@tcpjack.net) |
| 02:35.26 | *** join/#debian grul (n=muttley@c83-254-22-116.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 02:35.32 | jim | man apt-get |
| 02:35.34 | *** join/#debian tdn (n=tdn@zeus.sikkerhed.org) |
| 02:35.40 | *** join/#debian cva (n=cva@69-20-145-32.static.ida.net) |
| 02:35.40 | jim | it should tell you what that does |
| 02:36.18 | unfancyness | oh, stupid me |
| 02:36.33 | abrotman | or man aptitude |
| 02:36.46 | unfancyness | you and your aptitude :D |
| 02:37.16 | unfancyness | oh, nvm. that was someone else and synamptic.. |
| 02:37.32 | unfancyness | okay, thanks you guys.. coffee time (i know i should've gotten it before i came :) |
| 02:37.59 | jim | supposedly even apt-get will have the same functionality |
| 02:39.40 | unfancyness | isn't synamptic just wrapping aptitiude anyways? |
| 02:41.35 | *** join/#debian sparr (n=sparr@adsl-074-244-048-058.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 02:41.58 | aredhel | synaptic is a really weird wrapping of the same libraries that aptitude uses. Every time I try and use it I g right back to aptitude. |
| 02:42.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 784] by debhelper |
| 02:42.06 | aredhel | *go |
| 02:42.24 | *** join/#debian lopov (n=lopov@eth219-109.vic.adsl.internode.on.net) |
| 02:45.25 | *** join/#debian xGangi (i=ggangi@200.8.202.2) |
| 02:45.33 | *** part/#debian xGangi (i=ggangi@200.8.202.2) |
| 02:47.09 | *** join/#debian eeedarius_v (n=eeedariu@dslb-084-061-019-229.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 02:47.12 | *** join/#debian Davey (n=davey@unaffiliated/davey) |
| 02:48.03 | *** part/#debian tiveron (n=tiveron@c934d9d8.virtua.com.br) |
| 02:49.40 | *** join/#debian yigal (n=yigal@pool-71-118-45-152.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 02:49.46 | yigal | hello |
| 02:49.54 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christef@ppp-69-238-166-232.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 02:52.43 | JDigital | You can't have apache2 prefork and worker installed at the same time? |
| 02:53.34 | felix_da_catz | How do I disable services from loading? I want to disable apache from loading. |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | JDigital: no |
| 02:53.59 | abrotman | !tell felix_da_catz about update-rc.d |
| 02:54.12 | felix_da_catz | ty |
| 02:54.20 | JDigital | I think I heard of someone who had both somehow. Is that possible or |
| 02:54.25 | JDigital | am I imagining things |
| 02:54.55 | jim | JDigital:only you know the answer to that question :) |
| 02:55.14 | *** join/#debian delight (n=delight@f053112193.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 02:56.03 | jim | what's a prefork andworker? |
| 02:56.18 | JDigital | apache modules |
| 02:56.24 | markybob | an identity disorder? |
| 02:56.30 | JDigital | worker is multithreaded, prefork is non |
| 02:56.40 | JDigital | prefork is necessary for non threadsafe things like php |
| 02:56.54 | jim | that right there could be the reason |
| 02:57.09 | jim | if you require nonthreadsafe, maybe you can't run threads? |
| 02:57.32 | JDigital | Obviously apache can only use one or the other at a time |
| 02:57.41 | markybob | jim dont be logical |
| 02:58.02 | jim | at a time like THIS, he says don't be logical!! |
| 02:58.07 | markybob | hehe |
| 02:58.50 | jim | well I'm goin to try playing some music |
| 02:58.55 | abrotman | fail! |
| 02:59.27 | jim | hope not :) |
| 03:00.22 | jim | php isn't threadsafe? |
| 03:00.49 | Caelum | interesting |
| 03:00.56 | *** join/#debian lvlefisto (n=corleone@207.248.38.9) |
| 03:02.24 | *** join/#debian tuntun (n=tuntun@58.172.66.166) |
| 03:03.19 | *** join/#debian hollywoodb (n=wade@nat1.aero.und.edu) |
| 03:03.32 | *** join/#debian Steven_Elvisda (n=PHDBot@202.47.107.60) |
| 03:04.25 | hollywoodb | I've got a working lenny/unstable base system I've been toying with, but now once I've decided to install xorg and some gnome stuffs I find a lot of packages that depend on perlapi-5.8.8 while only 5.10.0 is available. Is this something that happens often with 'unstable' or is this just a matter of waiting for the mirrors to sync up ? |
| 03:05.41 | *** join/#debian ice63 (n=gary@71.238.201.87) |
| 03:06.24 | abrotman | are you running a mixed system? sid is going through a perl transition now |
| 03:06.40 | yigal | hollywoodb: what happens when you go 'apt-get -t unstable install perlapi-5.8.8' ? |
| 03:07.13 | hollywoodb | yigal: not available, but referred to by another package... no installation candidate |
| 03:07.40 | hollywoodb | abrotman: I upgraded a very minimal 4.0r3 (etch) install |
| 03:07.47 | *** join/#debian biopyte (n=kiwi@c-24-91-113-27.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:08.28 | jim | hollywoodb: mixed systems work well like every once in awhile... |
| 03:09.11 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (n=Rusty1@cpe-72-226-109-62.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 03:09.18 | tuntun | Hi. I just have a quick hardware question if you could bear with me. Is it correct that the following DDR DIMM configuration (all the same spec apart from capacity:256, 2048, 256, 2048) disables ddr mode? |
| 03:09.35 | hollywoodb | fair enough, this isn't a production system by any means. if it's a matter of waiting for packages to be rebuilt post-perl-transition that's fine, I was just curious if that's the issue or if it was a mirror issue |
| 03:09.44 | jim | since you can't downgrade your choices are limited... upgrade to sid or reinstall lenny |
| 03:10.24 | jim | ahh, you do have that choice as well (to wait) |
| 03:10.25 | *** join/#debian sPHERE^ (n=Spheree@ti0097a380-0039.bb.online.no) |
| 03:11.31 | *** join/#debian rIpper (n=brad@adsl-99-148-213-198.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 03:12.24 | *** join/#debian rhineheart_m (n=rhine@122.55.238.195) |
| 03:12.38 | *** join/#debian sparr (n=sparr@adsl-074-244-048-058.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 03:13.49 | *** join/#debian hatter (n=hatter@193.25.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 03:16.26 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (n=marcus@dslc-082-082-132-094.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 03:21.14 | *** join/#debian ivan` (n=user@200.199.156.28) |
| 03:21.29 | *** join/#debian HellTiger (n=HellTige@p5B0CD313.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:21.32 | *** part/#debian ivan` (n=user@200.199.156.28) |
| 03:23.43 | Wing_ | Wow, really. What the hell. |
| 03:23.59 | Wing_ | I can't tell if my etch box is just FUBAR in software, or FUBAR in hardware. |
| 03:24.13 | jim | run memtest86 |
| 03:24.40 | Wing_ | memtest runs fine. |
| 03:25.07 | jim | well you've ruled out a lot of stuff by running that... |
| 03:25.16 | Wing_ | Here's the quick history on the install: Originally installed on a Dell Precision. Everything ran fine for months and months and months until the Dell gave up the ghost in a quite dramatic fashion. |
| 03:26.03 | jim | so you're confirming it's hardware? |
| 03:26.09 | abrotman | dell |
| 03:26.09 | markybob | oh, i know this one! 42! |
| 03:26.29 | abrotman | i plugged an old PIII in the other day .. it ran for two seconds and then made a very loud pop |
| 03:26.31 | Wing_ | Since the Precision was the last box running SCSI, I dd'd the whole mess over ton IBM NetVista desktop box, redid all the appropriate references to the harddrives, set up the new net adapter |
| 03:26.32 | Wing_ | etc. |
| 03:26.35 | *** join/#debian monstar-1 (n=gnu@p57B8D8EB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:26.52 | Wing_ | and for whatever reason, since installing it on the IBM, it's had nothing but ridiculous problems. |
| 03:27.12 | jim | so it ran on the dell you put it on the ibm and now it doesn't work |
| 03:27.19 | jim | that what you're saying? |
| 03:27.22 | Wing_ | well, it runs just fine when I'm looking at it |
| 03:27.36 | Wing_ | but a few days later, random crap just outright fails |
| 03:28.42 | Wing_ | I suppose I should go walk over to it and see what the hell just happened, because it's not even bothering to bring up its network interface now. |
| 03:28.47 | jim | well nice conversation... but there's no info to go on here |
| 03:28.49 | dondelelcaro | Wing_: what in particular is failing on it? |
| 03:29.12 | abrotman | jim: it was supposed to make eggs, but bacon came out! |
| 03:29.27 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you've confused a chicken with a hog? |
| 03:29.41 | abrotman | it was a Dell |
| 03:29.46 | dondelelcaro | you want a avian, not a mammal |
| 03:29.52 | abrotman | wait .. you can have chicken bacon! |
| 03:29.57 | jim | isn't that what they make hogken das ice cream from? |
| 03:30.01 | abrotman | i think |
| 03:30.05 | Wing_ | In the past, Tomcat has outright refused to work, some USB issues, random 100% CPU locks |
| 03:30.07 | abrotman | they have turkey bacon .. so why not chicken bacon |
| 03:30.29 | mimcpher | chicken isn't as fatty as turkey I think |
| 03:30.37 | mimcpher | I don't know if you could get the same baconey effect |
| 03:30.56 | *** join/#debian floppypond_ (n=floppypo@unaffiliated/floppypond) |
| 03:30.59 | Wing_ | This time, I hit a page in Apache, the CPU locked to 100%, and I bounced it. It doesn't appear to have bothered to come back. brb, checking wtf. |
| 03:31.11 | *** join/#debian chicobento (n=ponto-go@189.82.64.43) |
| 03:31.14 | jim | unfails to leave for jam! |
| 03:31.18 | *** join/#debian amanoel (i=amanoel@unaffiliated/amanoel) |
| 03:31.28 | meff | hm |
| 03:32.03 | meff | general question: whats a good webmail program? i've looked at squirrelmail and roundcube.. |
| 03:32.30 | markybob | gmail count? |
| 03:32.31 | Dewi | meff: squirrelmail is a bit dead, and only supports php4 |
| 03:32.31 | abrotman | i've liked horde and roundcube |
| 03:32.42 | Dewi | meff: roundcube seems okay but is still very pre-1.0 |
| 03:32.43 | meff | hmm |
| 03:32.47 | meff | *nods* |
| 03:32.52 | leOn | meff: i use squirrel for some time now ... no big complains so far |
| 03:33.02 | Dewi | meff: horde I don't like personally, but it seems about the only option |
| 03:33.20 | meff | okay, thanks guys :) |
| 03:33.35 | leOn | Dewi: out of curiosity .. why the "only" option? |
| 03:33.49 | markybob | i'm surprised they're still releasing slackware |
| 03:33.57 | Dewi | leOn: because as I say, the others are unfinished or very outdated and insecure |
| 03:34.31 | *** join/#debian sPHERE^ (n=Spheree@ti0097a380-0039.bb.online.no) |
| 03:34.40 | Wing_ | Annoying. It failed to mount half its partitions. |
| 03:34.55 | Dewi | leOn: do you know of any other than horde and squirrel that are "finished"? |
| 03:34.55 | Wing_ | Mind you, it only failed the one time. |
| 03:35.28 | *** join/#debian jakeisawake (n=jake@c-98-223-49-254.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 03:35.56 | leOn | i could swear that squirrel runs fine on php5 and is quite active .. at least the mlists |
| 03:36.30 | *** join/#debian unix_lappy (n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745) |
| 03:36.35 | Ryan52 | How can I make finger say when there is mail from my imaps account? |
| 03:36.49 | *** join/#debian BW^- (n=Miranda@user-11fb7q0.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 03:36.51 | Dewi | leOn: I guess it's a little bit active, there are incrementals |
| 03:37.07 | BW^- | newbie question: how do i install http://google-perftools.googlecode.com/files/libgoogle-perftools-dev_0.97-1_i386.deb ? (i mean, it's not in a regular package repository path) |
| 03:37.20 | Dewi | leOn: but a lot of the last few months of news is that they allowed a package to be compromised |
| 03:37.26 | markybob | BW^- sudo dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 03:37.35 | BW^- | markybob: whooh thanks! |
| 03:37.50 | leOn | Dewi: and because of that they should be shot? |
| 03:38.48 | leOn | i remember vaguelly of a compromised debian server a while ago ... didn't alter my confidence in the distro though ... |
| 03:39.05 | leOn | what can i say .. sh*t happens |
| 03:39.39 | Dewi | leOn: well I am running it under php5, but I was under the impression it had problems with newer systems because it wasn't really being actively maintained |
| 03:40.28 | leOn | although i subscribe a squirrel list i actually don't pay much attention to it |
| 03:40.39 | Dewi | leOn: it's one of few that have a search feature but unfortunately the search appears utterly broken on some versions, it just randomly finds mail that does not contain the string |
| 03:41.14 | Dewi | leOn: It's my favourite client but I don't feel I can recommend it anymore, that's all |
| 03:41.35 | leOn | can't complain much .. been running fine for me both in php4 and php5 with suphp and chroot ... that's quite enough for me |
| 03:42.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 777] by debhelper |
| 03:42.01 | Dewi | leOn: I don't have a chroot atm |
| 03:42.21 | Dewi | leOn: do you know how I can find out what resources to provide inside the jail? |
| 03:42.27 | Dewi | leOn: do you just use 'ld' ? |
| 03:43.25 | leOn | well .. there are some magical scripts around ..but usually i either use ld or i pay attention to the apache logs ... he complains when a lib is missing |
| 03:43.25 | *** join/#debian phrozen77 (n=phrozen7@unaffiliated/phrozen77) |
| 03:43.48 | Dewi | leOn: hmm, there wasn't much happening in '03 and '04 but it has really woken up in '07... |
| 03:44.02 | Dewi | leOn: I might try installing a newer version |
| 03:44.28 | Dewi | leOn: okay, thanks, I'm long overdue to look at that stuff |
| 03:44.49 | leOn | and im long overdue to go to bed .. almost 5am here |
| 03:44.54 | leOn | later =) |
| 03:47.51 | Dewi | :) |
| 03:50.29 | *** join/#debian CaNeS (n=Linux@bas4-montreal02-1096724013.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 03:51.50 | *** join/#debian neosmatrix_ (n=neosmatr@i59F4D3B1.versanet.de) |
| 03:52.19 | *** join/#debian jakeisawake (n=jake@c-98-223-49-254.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 03:53.29 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 03:54.56 | *** join/#debian extor (n=xtor@c-24-1-247-223.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 03:55.53 | *** join/#debian ttick (n=tibetian@c-71-63-6-130.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 03:58.19 | ttick | okay, I did a dist-upgrade, and made the mistake of not accepting the exim4 config file changes. Now it's complaining that . . . I didn't accept the config file changes. How do I accept them now? sudo dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config didn't fix things. |
| 03:58.59 | abrotman | isn't there a "new" config file in the exim dir? |
| 04:00.02 | jakeisawake | ttick, it saves the old config if you update |
| 04:00.08 | jakeisawake | if you said no it saves the new one. just look in the dir |
| 04:00.31 | mx | anybody good with directadmin? |
| 04:00.48 | *** join/#debian Baloo (n=baloo@75-175-113-218.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 04:01.16 | ttick | jakeisawake: i found the new one (exim4.conf.template.dist) and replaced exim4.conf.template with it, but I'm still getting errors. |
| 04:01.35 | ttick | jakeisawake: nvm, there are others. |
| 04:01.41 | jakeisawake | cool |
| 04:02.11 | mx | i am trying tos et up my domain in my won dedicated box but the nameservers dont update for some reason, its been like 19 hours |
| 04:02.27 | mx | *own |
| 04:03.27 | *** join/#debian che__ (n=chen@125.75.81.108) |
| 04:03.55 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 04:05.32 | *** join/#debian binseer (n=binseer@121.247.149.5) |
| 04:05.59 | *** join/#debian nkuttler_ (n=nicolas@dslb-084-058-196-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:06.21 | *** join/#debian mavhk (n=mavhc@cpc1-basf7-0-0-cust298.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 04:06.38 | ttick | okay still getting: Stopping MTA for restart:/sbin/start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 25799: No such process. But it doesn't seem to affect anything. |
| 04:07.04 | *** join/#debian myzar (i=myzar@cpe-72-134-41-32.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:07.22 | myzar | anyone here know how to change the default shell in debian to zsh from bash? |
| 04:08.50 | *** join/#debian octoserver (n=octoserv@71-15-86-222.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) |
| 04:08.54 | jakeisawake | myzar . . chsh |
| 04:09.12 | myzar | eh? |
| 04:09.12 | myzar | :o |
| 04:09.17 | myzar | default? |
| 04:09.19 | jakeisawake | install zsh |
| 04:09.21 | myzar | thought there was a file |
| 04:09.23 | jakeisawake | and use chsh to change it |
| 04:09.26 | myzar | i see |
| 04:09.30 | jakeisawake | :) |
| 04:10.30 | octoserver | if i ssh into my box and run an app then log out, the app will close. Is there a way for my to ssh in and runn ktorrent, and have it remain running after i have logged out of my ssh session? |
| 04:10.37 | liable | /etc/passwd innit? |
| 04:10.43 | markybob | octoserver screen |
| 04:11.08 | mimcpher | markybob, that won't work with X applications though |
| 04:11.25 | mimcpher | At least, I don't think it will. |
| 04:12.02 | Wing_ | Okay. This hardware simply has to be shot. |
| 04:12.04 | *** join/#debian _sss_ (n=suguru@ackyto001054.adsl.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp) |
| 04:12.07 | Wing_ | There's no other fucking way. |
| 04:12.35 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 04:13.08 | *** join/#debian Mamanga (n=Carlo@host155.201-253-54.telecom.net.ar) |
| 04:13.09 | octoserver | markybob: not sure what you mean by screen sorry :( |
| 04:13.27 | myzar | do you guys know what shell script has colors? |
| 04:13.32 | myzar | i remember one at one point |
| 04:13.35 | myzar | i think it had tabs too |
| 04:14.45 | markybob | mimcpher i assumed ktorrent had a headless mode (thus you running it through ssh). i dont know of an x-forwarding method |
| 04:15.01 | markybob | mimcpher you could use deluge or rtorrent, which can run headless |
| 04:15.21 | mimcpher | Yeah a headless torrent client would probably work better for octoserver |
| 04:15.34 | markybob | oops, yeah :P |
| 04:16.44 | *** join/#debian shivraj (n=shivraj@cpe-74-65-203-167.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 04:16.48 | *** join/#debian master_o1_master (n=master_o@p549D5B1C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 04:17.01 | *** part/#debian shivraj (n=shivraj@cpe-74-65-203-167.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 04:18.39 | octoserver | so headless programs that are run while logged in, will remain running when i terminate the ssh session ? |
| 04:18.47 | jakeisawake | octoserver, you can also use nohup |
| 04:19.00 | jakeisawake | if you "nohup application" that will work |
| 04:19.12 | jakeisawake | screen is nice because you can log back in and access the screen. quite handy |
| 04:19.45 | jakeisawake | myzar, what are you talking about? colors tabs? |
| 04:19.51 | myzar | yes |
| 04:19.58 | myzar | the shell itself had colors indicating permissions and such |
| 04:20.11 | jakeisawake | lol that is "ls" not the shell |
| 04:20.15 | *** join/#debian macuser-_ (n=Hanif@CPE0012171a3a07-CM0014e8b55f46.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 04:20.15 | octoserver | nohup is a command i can issue while im sshed into my box? |
| 04:20.20 | rhineheart_m | how to know if open-ssl is already installed in my box? |
| 04:20.32 | jakeisawake | ls --color=auto |
| 04:20.45 | *** join/#debian scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 04:20.50 | octoserver | nohup , and then the application i wish to run? |
| 04:20.55 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 04:21.02 | jakeisawake | octoserver, ye |
| 04:21.15 | octoserver | what about "screen" |
| 04:21.19 | jakeisawake | octoserver, like "nohup script" |
| 04:21.36 | jakeisawake | screen in a nutshell makes a detachable shell i guess you could call it |
| 04:22.01 | jakeisawake | you enter it by running screen. then inside you do what you want. and then you can detach from it and reattach to it again later |
| 04:22.16 | *** join/#debian ANAL_Inv4der (n=nada@189-18-189-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 04:22.30 | jakeisawake | octoserver, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen |
| 04:22.44 | octoserver | cool, thanks i read about it now |
| 04:22.50 | jakeisawake | no prob |
| 04:23.55 | *** join/#debian ryty (n=ryty@c-71-197-114-227.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 04:26.32 | *** join/#debian ajonat (n=ajonat@190.48.123.134) |
| 04:26.55 | *** join/#debian keta (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 04:30.39 | *** join/#debian crazyfrog (n=crazyfro@119.4.4.191) |
| 04:31.14 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 04:35.07 | *** join/#debian jakeisawake (n=jake@c-98-223-49-254.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 04:35.27 | `mac` | this is so wierd, how typing su - nobody No directory, logging in with HOME=/ |
| 04:35.37 | `mac` | how do i turn that nobody off |
| 04:36.44 | `mac` | Successful su for nobody by root + ??? root:nobody |
| 04:38.12 | *** join/#debian firmcreek (n=floppypo@wnpgmb014rw-ad01-142-56.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 04:38.20 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@p5B258882.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:38.55 | icedtea | the user 'nobody' can be usefull its pointless to have a home directory for that user |
| 04:39.11 | *** join/#debian [vagner] (n=vagner_r@189-11-83-6.mganm703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 04:39.16 | *** join/#debian AussieGuy (i=kvirc@r220-101-88-57.cpe.unwired.net.au) |
| 04:39.24 | AussieGuy | what would happen if you ran virtualbox on a processor that doesnt support virtualization? (pentium M 1.3ghz) |
| 04:39.46 | icedtea | AussieGuy: its just runs a tad bit slower |
| 04:39.55 | AussieGuy | much performance difference? |
| 04:39.58 | icedtea | oh wait, you said virtualbox |
| 04:40.12 | icedtea | I'm not sure with that software |
| 04:40.17 | mimcpher | I'm trying to use evdev for my mouse. I don't want to use "Device" "/dev/input/event1" since I'm concerned about that changing (which has happened and is annoying). But using Option "Name" "Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse" doesn't appear to work like it should according to the evdev man page. |
| 04:40.23 | AussieGuy | its performance is comparable to vmware |
| 04:40.38 | icedtea | thats what I run :) |
| 04:41.06 | *** join/#debian litlebuda (n=litlebud@87-196-225-18.net.novis.pt) |
| 04:42.40 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 04:43.22 | AussieGuy | on my 2gb dual core machine I might put mac os x and windows xp, both virtualized |
| 04:43.57 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christef@ppp-69-238-166-232.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 04:44.14 | icedtea | I dont think my p4 has special virtualizations instructions and it runs fine except for the video |
| 04:45.00 | AussieGuy | someone gave me a twin processor pentium III with 1gb of edo ram |
| 04:45.04 | AussieGuy | rack server |
| 04:45.07 | icedtea | AussieGuy: Debian,Windows,and OSX? You're just an OS whore aren't you :P |
| 04:45.40 | icedtea | I would think it would run fine |
| 04:45.44 | AussieGuy | im going to turn it into a second computer at my mothers place |
| 04:46.36 | *** join/#debian asg (n=asg@cpe-071-075-246-024.carolina.res.rr.com) |
| 04:47.29 | AussieGuy | virtualbox has this thing called seamless mode which lets you run windows programs and the start menu on a linux desktop, so you have like the gnome bar up the top and the start menu down the bottom |
| 04:49.38 | *** part/#debian [vagner] (n=vagner_r@189-11-83-6.mganm703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 04:50.17 | markybob | i'm worried about virtualbox's future with sun laying off 2500 employees :( |
| 04:50.48 | *** join/#debian shellito (n=shellito@200.122.232.15) |
| 04:51.17 | *** join/#debian Hide0 (n=david@89.129.171.63) |
| 04:51.37 | AussieGuy | I think I read on their website that sun just do QA for the project |
| 04:52.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 784] by debhelper |
| 04:52.17 | *** part/#debian Hide0 (n=david@89.129.171.63) |
| 04:52.35 | AussieGuy | and open source developers build it |
| 04:52.41 | *** join/#debian Hide0 (n=david@89.129.171.63) |
| 04:53.11 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 04:54.12 | *** join/#debian Pulpie (n=james@c-71-231-153-57.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 04:54.15 | Pulpie | hello |
| 04:54.22 | jakeisawake | hi |
| 04:54.34 | Hide0 | hello |
| 04:54.39 | jakeisawake | lol |
| 04:54.48 | jakeisawake | hidee ho neighbor |
| 04:55.17 | Hide0 | xD |
| 04:55.23 | *** join/#debian Mazingaro (n=tetsuja@host147-151-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 04:55.37 | *** join/#debian cbr (n=cbr@84-50-135-124-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) |
| 04:56.16 | dimir | Morning! |
| 04:56.48 | Pulpie | I know this doesn't happen a lot on irc... but I would like to apologize for some of the things I said earlier. Althrough it was someone on my ssh server it was my fault and the user has been taken care of... I know a lot of apologizes don't happen on irc but I would like to honestly sorry for my user... They will be punish accordingly and I feel horrible for what they might have said. |
| 04:57.04 | *** join/#debian esaym (n=user@cpe-70-120-89-6.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 04:57.26 | Pulpie | Again I am very sorry for anything they said under my host mask. |
| 04:57.27 | *** join/#debian generic (n=generic@dsl-202-38-61-218.khi.hri.net.pk) |
| 04:57.48 | dimir | Hey, don't be too sorry for the h4x0rz! |
| 04:57.50 | dimir | :-P |
| 04:58.03 | generic | hye any one works on DRBD |
| 04:58.22 | Pulpie | I wouldn't call it a hacker... |
| 04:58.54 | Pulpie | I run a freebsd server... |
| 04:58.57 | *** part/#debian Baloo (n=baloo@75-175-113-218.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 05:01.26 | Pulpie | man I love debian, its sooo easy to do stuff... |
| 05:02.07 | Pulpie | its like ubuntu without the... well I don't like the one click and your done it makes me feel like something went wrong or could very easy ya know? |
| 05:03.44 | *** join/#debian Haris_ (n=Haris@116.71.162.207) |
| 05:03.48 | *** join/#debian tyzh (n=firedrak@218.193.14.33) |
| 05:05.01 | Pulpie | ctrl+x nor ctrl+c isn't coping is there something I need to install to enable this in gnome? |
| 05:05.09 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 05:05.12 | markybob | !glipper |
| 05:05.40 | markybob | hrm. anyway, install glipper |
| 05:07.00 | Pulpie | ahh |
| 05:07.02 | Pulpie | ty |
| 05:07.14 | `mac` | here is the nobody lsof... http://pastebin.hyedomain.com//view.php?id=17 |
| 05:07.30 | `mac` | how can i stop the su -nobody login? |
| 05:07.44 | `mac` | pam is giving that out |
| 05:08.17 | liable | that done by cron |
| 05:08.20 | *** join/#debian david____ (n=david@89.129.171.63) |
| 05:08.25 | liable | its perfectly normal |
| 05:08.54 | `mac` | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.30 | `mac` | i was hoping so so much that debian didnt get this msg like ubuntu did, i m so sad on this.. |
| 05:09.43 | *** part/#debian `mac` (i=freebsd@adsl-76-237-57-6.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:09.50 | liable | ?? |
| 05:10.06 | *** join/#debian `mac` (i=freebsd@adsl-76-237-57-6.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:10.39 | liable | `mac`: whats the problem? |
| 05:10.57 | Pulpie | !one-liner |
| 05:11.05 | Pulpie | !fgxl one-liner |
| 05:12.09 | Pulpie | is there any way to emulate drivers for a KVM switch or should I look into wine? |
| 05:12.35 | *** join/#debian jhulst (n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) |
| 05:15.22 | *** join/#debian neowin (n=narut0@c-69-251-198-114.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 05:15.32 | *** join/#debian Unitux (n=Unitux@83.136.139.228) |
| 05:15.49 | *** join/#debian futonrevolution (n=futonrev@63-229-187-114.sxcy.qwest.net) |
| 05:16.07 | *** join/#debian alvarezp (n=alvarezp@201.160.204.223.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) |
| 05:16.20 | *** part/#debian futonrevolution (n=futonrev@63-229-187-114.sxcy.qwest.net) |
| 05:18.15 | *** part/#debian jaggz- (n=brandon@dsl081-044-035.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 05:18.16 | *** join/#debian WormFood (n=wormfood@218.17.236.251) |
| 05:19.24 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 05:20.21 | *** join/#debian jayaraj (n=jayaraj@121.247.149.5) |
| 05:21.15 | *** join/#debian keta_ (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 05:22.00 | *** join/#debian salamat (n=salamat@89.165.49.145) |
| 05:22.37 | *** join/#debian theaber_ (n=bscoggin@adsl-074-170-161-225.sip.bna.bellsouth.net) |
| 05:25.03 | *** join/#debian neosmatrix_ (n=neosmatr@i59F4F8D8.versanet.de) |
| 05:25.18 | Pulpie | anyone know where can I get bsd/linux/unix wallpapers? |
| 05:25.26 | *** join/#debian Walther (n=john@S01060013102d1ae7.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 05:25.42 | *** part/#debian salamat (n=salamat@89.165.49.145) |
| 05:26.01 | markybob | google image |
| 05:27.08 | *** join/#debian GhostlyDeath|Lpt (n=steven@unaffiliated/ghostlydeath) |
| 05:27.18 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | How would I change my mouse cursor? |
| 05:27.18 | *** join/#debian binseer (n=binseer@121.247.149.5) |
| 05:27.37 | *** part/#debian neoark (n=narut0@c-69-251-198-114.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 05:27.58 | markybob | in what? gnome? |
| 05:29.04 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | yes |
| 05:29.14 | markybob | http://debianrules.blogspot.com/2005/11/change-mouse-cursor-theme-in-gnome.html |
| 05:30.29 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | thanks |
| 05:30.32 | *** part/#debian GhostlyDeath|Lpt (n=steven@unaffiliated/ghostlydeath) |
| 05:31.01 | markybob | sure would be nice if people would just google their questions first |
| 05:31.36 | WormFood | markybob, but that would take away all the fun we have here |
| 05:32.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 778] by debhelper |
| 05:32.40 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@p5DC2C86A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:34.42 | *** join/#debian Haris (i=Haris@unaffiliated/haris) |
| 05:46.24 | *** join/#debian PhrkOnLsh (n=rrix@higgs.soleus.nu) |
| 05:50.25 | *** join/#debian keta (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 05:50.56 | Haris | if people would google their Qs, this place would become useless piece of junk |
| 05:52.34 | *** join/#debian macuser-_ (n=Hanif@CPE0012171a3a07-CM0014e8b55f46.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:53.33 | hoxu | !opinions |
| 05:53.34 | dpkg | opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your asshole. Well, maybe both. |
| 05:53.51 | *** join/#debian goetzchr (n=goetz@p57AE7FA4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:54.04 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 05:54.14 | JDigital | Why is configuring etch with mod_fcgid such a headache |
| 05:54.39 | JDigital | I've googled all night and everyone has his own incompatible setup |
| 05:54.48 | JDigital | most of which do not work |
| 05:58.38 | Pulpie | whats that radeon driver called |
| 05:58.41 | Pulpie | fgxl? |
| 05:58.50 | *** join/#debian scoopex (n=scoopex@256bit.org) |
| 06:00.53 | Pulpie | !fglx |
| 06:00.58 | Pulpie | !ati |
| 06:00.58 | dpkg | it has been said that ati is For X1300 and later, see Proprietary FGLRX <fglrx> <fglrx one-liner>. 3D accel is available via xserver-xorg-video-ati driver for many cards. "man radeon" for a full list. <radeon>, <radeonhd> |
| 06:01.05 | Pulpie | !fglrx |
| 06:01.06 | dpkg | The binary driver made available by ATI. See <fglrx one-liner> for installation. see </msg dpkg ati> |
| 06:01.10 | Pulpie | !fglrx one-liner |
| 06:01.11 | dpkg | hmm... fglrx one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src && m-a a-i fglrx && modprobe fglrx && echo fglrx >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ; Contrib and non-free sources needed. ask me about <non-free sources> |
| 06:01.27 | *** join/#debian sauvin (n=sauvin@unaffiliated/sauvin) |
| 06:02.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 771] by debhelper |
| 06:02.02 | markybob | Pulpie you can /msg the bot |
| 06:02.36 | Pulpie | markybob: I know but thank you |
| 06:02.55 | markybob | in that case, stop flooding the channel |
| 06:03.18 | *** join/#debian Natilous (i=natilous@89.165.92.137) |
| 06:03.35 | Pulpie | that one liner is wrong |
| 06:03.42 | *** join/#debian somnorosul (i=somnoros@194.116.201.52) |
| 06:04.37 | *** join/#debian xtr (i=94752345@216.19.191.191.novuscom.net) |
| 06:08.19 | *** part/#debian Natilous (i=natilous@89.165.92.137) |
| 06:09.00 | *** join/#debian agre (n=firstfir@89.20.97.191) |
| 06:09.00 | Pulpie | markybob: Im sorry. |
| 06:09.26 | *** part/#debian agre (n=firstfir@89.20.97.191) |
| 06:10.28 | *** join/#debian firmcreek (n=floppypo@wnpgmb014rw-ad01-142-56.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 06:11.49 | JDigital | Will "rm -rf" follow symlinks? |
| 06:11.57 | *** join/#debian Kwitschibo (n=Michael@host-091-096-245-226.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 06:12.08 | JDigital | hm I guess not |
| 06:12.12 | dmnd | when i read the manpage of aptitude i see a lot of \fB (bold) how come? ;) |
| 06:12.25 | dmnd | JDigital: dont think so |
| 06:12.50 | JDigital | dmnd: I get that too |
| 06:12.54 | dmnd | JDigital: ok, ... :) |
| 06:13.08 | dmnd | it's a fresh install |
| 06:13.20 | ceil420 | same here :o (on Etch) |
| 06:13.42 | ceil420 | cool, it was written on my birthday ^^ |
| 06:13.45 | dmnd | Etch here also |
| 06:13.51 | ceil420 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.03 | markybob | damn you're young |
| 06:14.07 | ceil420 | lol |
| 06:14.17 | dmnd | :) |
| 06:14.33 | dmnd | but does someone know how to fixor it? it's very annoying |
| 06:14.58 | ceil420 | read the page, memorize everything on it, and never have to look at it again? |
| 06:15.02 | ceil420 | :x |
| 06:15.11 | dmnd | ceil420: im trying to switch over from gentoo to debian |
| 06:15.27 | dmnd | ceil420: and my memory is bad :) |
| 06:16.49 | icedtea | hrm I'm on testing and its ok |
| 06:17.09 | ceil420 | guess they fixed it :o |
| 06:17.52 | extor | If my unhardened dedicated server got hacked minutes after delivery because of a flaw in the default install(that they did), should I tell my webhost about it? Or just bury it and move on? |
| 06:18.27 | icedtea | I would tell them |
| 06:18.43 | icedtea | ceil420: I'm using bash and gnome terminal |
| 06:18.47 | extor | pros and cons? |
| 06:19.05 | icedtea | its their fault they should fix it |
| 06:19.16 | *** join/#debian jintxo (n=jintxo@46.Red-83-43-35.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 06:19.19 | ceil420 | i'm using bash and xfce4-terminal |
| 06:19.20 | markybob | extor you should switch hosts. my dedicated host is hardened...hell, even php is hardened |
| 06:19.33 | ceil420 | dmnd, what terminal are you using to view the man page? |
| 06:19.51 | *** join/#debian bd_ (n=foo@2001:470:1f05:1f2:0:0:1:2) |
| 06:19.57 | Pulpie | hey, how (in gnome) can I remove the "other" menu |
| 06:20.16 | bd_ | is it possible for a binNMU request to be queued until a certain version of a build dependency is installed for all architectures |
| 06:20.19 | bd_ | ? |
| 06:20.36 | bd_ | or should I wait until the build dep in question is installed before requesting the binNMU? |
| 06:20.42 | markybob | Pulpie right-click on the menus and click on 'edit menus' |
| 06:22.05 | Pulpie | I did but I can't take out the other menu |
| 06:22.53 | Decepticon | is there supposed to be sounds for login/logout and startup for debian? i installed from netinst, so i dont think i have them |
| 06:25.33 | *** join/#debian lvlefisto (n=corleone@207.248.38.9) |
| 06:26.11 | lvlefisto | i have an USB Bluetooth device and i don't know how to make it to work |
| 06:26.18 | lvlefisto | can anyone help me? |
| 06:28.20 | shital_ | give the command /etc/init.d/bluetooth start |
| 06:29.00 | lvlefisto | ok, let me try |
| 06:29.19 | *** join/#debian Decepticon (n=Deceptic@64-238-186-50.cty.apt.gru.net) |
| 06:30.06 | dmnd | ceil420: im using mac osx |
| 06:30.16 | lvlefisto | The BlueProximity preferences dialog still can't find my device |
| 06:30.44 | shital_ | have u install bluetooth packages? |
| 06:30.47 | ceil420 | maybe gnome-terminal is the only one of the three to know how to handle /fB :x |
| 06:30.53 | lvlefisto | yes i did |
| 06:30.59 | up365 | lvlefisto, some sites to check http://www.bluez.org/ http://wiki.bluez.org/ and http://debaira.blogspot.com/ scroll down at this one |
| 06:31.09 | dmnd | hmmm |
| 06:31.13 | shital_ | is ur system red hat based? |
| 06:31.17 | lvlefisto | up365: let me check |
| 06:31.23 | *** join/#debian nvrpunk (n=zomgobli@81.90.21.227) |
| 06:31.53 | nvrpunk | is there a place where I can get a root image of a standarm arm installation? |
| 06:31.59 | nvrpunk | off* |
| 06:32.09 | nvrpunk | standard too :/ |
| 06:32.56 | *** join/#debian Jussi (n=jussi@port190.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 06:34.12 | *** join/#debian Jurkki (n=jukka@dsl-hmlbrasgw1-ff05c100-213.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 06:34.58 | *** join/#debian UnFred (n=UnFred@76-10-189-27.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 06:38.19 | *** join/#debian Decepticon (n=Deceptic@64-238-186-50.cty.apt.gru.net) |
| 06:38.51 | *** join/#debian Kalli (n=Kalli@pD9E6016A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:39.54 | *** join/#debian socialist (n=mculbert@c-67-170-160-26.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 06:40.16 | *** join/#debian slaytani1 (n=slaytani@200-55-90-118.dsl.prima.net.ar) |
| 06:40.17 | socialist | anyone know how to add a library to the initrd using the initramfs-tools? |
| 06:40.54 | socialist | for some reason, my default initrd is not pulling in all the libraries for /sbin/resume.. I can add it manually but I'd rather put it in the conf somehow |
| 06:42.32 | jim | socialist: are you building a custom d-i? |
| 06:43.35 | socialist | no, not at all, this is just my plain ole initrd |
| 06:43.40 | socialist | I am running unstable though |
| 06:44.15 | socialist | basically, /sbin/resume needs liblzo and that lib is not getting pulled in when I regenerate the initrd |
| 06:44.50 | jim | to the extent unstable is different from stable, I probably won't be able to help... but I am curious, I never heard of libs necessary in an initrd... |
| 06:45.05 | socialist | at least a few get pulled in |
| 06:45.11 | *** join/#debian HellTiger_ (n=HellTige@p5B0CF372.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:45.29 | socialist | mine has libgpg-error, libglib, libdirectfb and about 8 others |
| 06:45.51 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@124.64.108.195) |
| 06:45.54 | jim | wow... that sounds huge |
| 06:45.56 | socialist | ah found it |
| 06:46.00 | socialist | no not really |
| 06:46.14 | socialist | 6.4mb |
| 06:46.17 | socialist | 7.4* |
| 06:46.52 | socialist | in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions, it 'ldd's the binaries and tries to grab all the library dependencies |
| 06:46.56 | jim | hmm, not horrible I suppose... but floppies are definitely out :) |
| 06:47.14 | socialist | it's only for this one machine, no floppy necessary ;) |
| 06:47.50 | jim | so once it figures which libs, it puts those libs in? |
| 06:48.00 | socialist | it would seem, yes |
| 06:48.14 | socialist | but for whatever reason it's missing/skipping one for /sbin/resume |
| 06:48.32 | valdyn | socialist: are you using a custom kernel? |
| 06:48.43 | jim | what if you saved your old initrd, and had it try building one? or are you doing that already? |
| 06:48.44 | socialist | nope, not even that |
| 06:48.53 | socialist | yeah I tried that |
| 06:49.03 | valdyn | socialist: /sbin/resume is not in debian |
| 06:49.04 | roxazer | i have to set my time right, but i forgot how. i know i dd something with ntpq and ntpdate to sync with a server and check if mu ntp was synced with that server |
| 06:49.06 | socialist | actually getting the lib in the initrd is not an issue, I can do that manually |
| 06:49.22 | socialist | I'm just trying to do it an "official" way using initramfs-tools |
| 06:49.50 | socialist | valdyn: /usr/lib/uswsusp/resume |
| 06:50.02 | socialist | moved to /sbin/resume when it goes into the initrd |
| 06:50.41 | *** join/#debian emil|k (i=emil@e179236049.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 06:50.56 | mx | what program makes tar.gz files in windows/? |
| 06:51.05 | roxazer | winrar? |
| 06:51.13 | stiv2k | hello has anyone ever had experience forwarding mysql over SSH |
| 06:51.18 | socialist | tar and gzip in cygwin :P |
| 06:51.30 | markybob | mx powerarchiver does too |
| 06:51.33 | *** join/#debian Decepticon (n=Deceptic@64-238-186-50.cty.apt.gru.net) |
| 06:51.34 | stiv2k | I am trying to do this and it doesn't appear to be working |
| 06:51.47 | nvrpunk | anyone know where I can get a rootfs image for debian arm? |
| 06:52.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 777] by debhelper |
| 06:52.00 | *** join/#debian dutchfish (n=wil@wc-35.r-195-35-167.atwork.nl) |
| 06:52.00 | stiv2k | Warning (2): mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 2 [CORE\cake\libs\model\datasources\dbo\dbo_mysql.php, line 100] |
| 06:52.01 | socialist | stiv2k: show the ssh options you are using |
| 06:52.04 | *** join/#debian s0lid (n=s0lid@210.213.199.34) |
| 06:52.12 | stiv2k | socialist: i'm doing it with puTTy |
| 06:52.40 | stiv2k | socialist: from a remote linux server |
| 06:52.56 | socialist | stiv2k: there's no particular reason ssh port forwarding would not work wfor mysql, it's probably an issue with the putty options |
| 06:53.44 | stiv2k | socialist: L: |
| 06:53.47 | stiv2k | oops! |
| 06:54.03 | stiv2k | L3306 127.0.0.1:3306 |
| 06:54.06 | stiv2k | is what it says :/ |
| 06:54.28 | extor | I am running 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP, how do I make sure it is not vulnerable to the local root exploit that afflicts upto .24.1? |
| 06:54.45 | valdyn | extor: which one exactly? |
| 06:54.55 | valdyn | extor: the vmsplice bug? |
| 06:55.02 | extor | http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2008-0600 |
| 06:55.04 | extor | yeah |
| 06:55.08 | socialist | stiv2k: is the mysql server listening on 127.0.0.1:3306? |
| 06:55.11 | dutchfish | extor, its sovled in 2.6.18-6 |
| 06:55.21 | extor | oh damn...false alarm |
| 06:55.23 | socialist | IIRC, mysql doesn't even listen to network by default anymore |
| 06:55.33 | *** join/#debian lvlefisto (n=corleone@207.248.38.9) |
| 06:55.33 | valdyn | extor: search the security announcement list for the bug |
| 06:55.33 | stiv2k | socialist: oh, netstat says it's listening on this |
| 06:55.35 | stiv2k | tcp 0 0 192.168.1.10:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 06:55.50 | stiv2k | (thats the IP on its lan |
| 06:55.52 | socialist | that's 192.168.1.10, not 127.0.0.1 |
| 06:55.54 | extor | valdyn what about 2.6.24.1? Is that OK or is it vulnerable? |
| 06:56.07 | stiv2k | hm |
| 06:56.13 | *** join/#debian schmidtsmikey (n=schmidts@port-92-195-18-187.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 06:56.47 | socialist | stiv2k: the network listening can be very specific, if you don't tell it to listen on locahost, it may only listen on the LAN IP |
| 06:57.02 | *** join/#debian litlebuda (n=litlebud@87-196-225-18.net.novis.pt) |
| 06:57.02 | dutchfish | extor, but you should make shure you are up 2 date because this one is recent: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1565 |
| 06:57.09 | socialist | stiv2k: just try changing the forwarding to use the 192..x.x.x IP |
| 06:57.19 | stiv2k | socialist: is there any particular reason to listen on one or the other or both? |
| 06:57.38 | *** part/#debian bd_ (n=foo@2001:470:1f05:1f2:0:0:1:2) |
| 06:57.48 | markybob | extor or if you're paranoid, you could simply try the exploit. http://backdoored.net/vmsplice.c |
| 06:58.00 | socialist | stiv2k, 127.0.0.1 is not accessible from the external network, listening on 192.x.x.x implies that you'd be accepting connections from other computers |
| 06:58.10 | stiv2k | socialist: damn this putty, it doesn't allow me to type in commands and there is only one box that accepts an IP address i'm not sure if that's the local or remote one |
| 06:58.11 | valdyn | extor: same deal, read the release notes, im not doing that for you |
| 06:58.34 | extor | valdyn I got conflicting info on it |
| 06:58.45 | extor | http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2008-0600 <=- as in here |
| 06:58.47 | valdyn | extor: yes? like what? |
| 06:58.52 | stiv2k | socialist: that seems fine for my purposes i guess, cause it's behind a NAT |
| 06:58.54 | dutchfish | extor, tay shall not run 2.6.24 om server, yet |
| 06:58.55 | extor | right at the top valdyn |
| 06:59.23 | markybob | dutchfish funny, since 2.6.25.1 has been released |
| 06:59.24 | *** join/#debian bkw (n=bkw@h-235-0.A189.cust.bahnhof.se) |
| 06:59.40 | dutchfish | extor, it has no vmsplice (2.6.24-4) but it has other issues same for 2.6.25 |
| 06:59.46 | markybob | expose you're a little late. that exploit is two weeks old and its fix was released on the same day |
| 07:00.16 | markybob | sorry, nearly three weeks old |
| 07:00.19 | valdyn | extor: i dont know what you are talking about, that site tells you that 2.6.24.1 is vulnarable, period |
| 07:00.22 | extor | linux-image-2.6.24-1-amd64 <--- This one is vulnerable? |
| 07:00.35 | extor | valdyn yes..and that is the default kernel for etch 4.0!! |
| 07:00.42 | valdyn | extor: no it isnt |
| 07:00.50 | valdyn | extor: do you think a dot is the same as a dash? |
| 07:00.53 | dutchfish | extor, mem spikes for example still exists in 2.6.24-4 wich make it ddos vulnarbale, they will be smoothed out soon |
| 07:01.08 | *** join/#debian freebird (n=freebird@c906215f.virtua.com.br) |
| 07:01.18 | valdyn | extor: ( or maybe it is , but a dot != dash ) |
| 07:01.19 | markybob | dutchfish that's been fixed. upgrade |
| 07:01.34 | extor | sighs |
| 07:01.43 | *** join/#debian Monkey_arma (n=Monkey@cpc4-stkn1-0-0-cust208.midd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 07:01.52 | dutchfish | markybob, i made my own patches for that on the vanilla |
| 07:01.52 | markybob | extor it's fine. either listen or try it yourself |
| 07:02.33 | dutchfish | markybob, but i admit 2.6.25 is very stable atm |
| 07:02.36 | valdyn | extor: you need to read up what the status is for that debian kernel, it's not necessarily affected and its not necessarily based on .1 |
| 07:02.47 | dutchfish | extor, no problems so far i have seen |
| 07:02.53 | *** join/#debian omry (n=omry@bzq-84-108-20-56.cablep.bezeqint.net) |
| 07:02.54 | extor | k |
| 07:02.57 | extor | good |
| 07:03.14 | dutchfish | extor, but that does not mean there arent |
| 07:04.07 | extor | it never does |
| 07:04.12 | dutchfish | extor, if you can use 2.6.18-6 latest on your hardware i would prefer that for now |
| 07:04.32 | extor | that is what I have on my dedi server |
| 07:04.41 | dutchfish | extor, good |
| 07:05.58 | *** join/#debian litlebuda (n=litlebud@87-196-225-18.net.novis.pt) |
| 07:07.08 | jim | nvrpunk: dunno if you're still here... you can probably get a rootfs for that machine by installing debian on that machine, I guess |
| 07:07.34 | nvrpunk | jim, doesnt help. I have a NA-1400 not workiing |
| 07:07.41 | nvrpunk | and i want to put debian on it |
| 07:07.45 | *** join/#debian littlepeon (n=chatzill@97-114-134-101.sxfl.qwest.net) |
| 07:07.54 | nvrpunk | but my only access to it at this point is to use my gentoo box |
| 07:08.02 | nvrpunk | and mount all 4 drives in it |
| 07:08.07 | nvrpunk | then copy over an image |
| 07:08.08 | jim | it's not working? |
| 07:08.17 | nvrpunk | no, i um |
| 07:08.21 | nvrpunk | overwrote the rootfs |
| 07:08.23 | nvrpunk | :) |
| 07:08.33 | nvrpunk | so it's not reading the drives heh |
| 07:08.39 | nvrpunk | or not booting the kernel |
| 07:08.41 | nvrpunk | whatever |
| 07:08.43 | jim | oic... so how did you get it going before? |
| 07:09.00 | nvrpunk | discovery cd originally |
| 07:09.04 | nvrpunk | guess i have to find it again |
| 07:09.32 | jim | maybe that's your best bet, it's something you're familiar with because you did it before |
| 07:09.48 | *** join/#debian INternat (n=nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 07:10.00 | jim | so it has a cdrom? |
| 07:11.06 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@124.64.108.195) |
| 07:11.14 | *** join/#debian pgpkeys (i=pgpkeys@neuron.subneural.net) |
| 07:11.23 | *** join/#debian szymon (n=szymon@cag180.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 07:11.48 | freebird | you guys, I've accidentaly removed the top bar that comes by default from gnome, and can't find a way to have that bar back in place, how should I proceed to get that done :: |
| 07:12.15 | socialist | right-click on the bottom bar and "new panel" |
| 07:12.46 | *** join/#debian sebn (n=seb@gambetta.sogilis.com) |
| 07:15.11 | freebird | socialist, when I right click ah the bottom bar, I only get 'remove panel', there's no 'add panel' option ... |
| 07:15.29 | freebird | socialist, when you right click you get a add panel option :: |
| 07:16.10 | *** join/#debian desti (n=desti@p5B01BB98.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:16.44 | *** join/#debian raz0 (n=user@217.198.211.234) |
| 07:18.22 | freebird | socialist, any idea man |
| 07:19.22 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 07:20.47 | *** join/#debian Decepticon (n=Deceptic@64-238-186-50.cty.apt.gru.net) |
| 07:21.32 | Haris | What do I check for in tcpdump output to see why connections are failing? |
| 07:22.21 | *** join/#debian SmallR2002 (n=SmallR20@79-69-20-242.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 07:22.22 | jim | places where things don't happen as expected according to whatever protocol it is |
| 07:22.47 | jim | which would require the details of the protocol |
| 07:23.18 | markybob | word |
| 07:23.29 | *** join/#debian mathew (n=mathew@dsl-58-6-90-10.act.westnet.com.au) |
| 07:23.31 | dutchfish | Haris, and not if it is level 2 related |
| 07:23.33 | catsup | check for demons |
| 07:23.39 | catsup | it's usually demons |
| 07:23.47 | jim | and boblins |
| 07:23.49 | markybob | fucking hate demons |
| 07:23.56 | jim | err goblins |
| 07:24.10 | dutchfish | markybob, why, you dont want without them ;) |
| 07:24.11 | markybob | what about midgets? those always freak me out |
| 07:24.12 | *** join/#debian Bakkal (n=bakkal@modemcable026.205-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 07:24.19 | catsup | markybob: that's offensive |
| 07:24.27 | catsup | highly inappropriate |
| 07:24.34 | markybob | catsup i'm 5'4. shut up |
| 07:24.41 | Bakkal | guys, I installed flashplugin-nonfree, but still no flash, how to? |
| 07:24.47 | cahoot | shut down? |
| 07:24.51 | catsup | markybob: i'm 6'2, sucks to be you! |
| 07:25.01 | Haris | jim: you mean the http protocol? |
| 07:25.05 | Haris | dutchfish: level 2 ? |
| 07:25.18 | *** join/#debian syntrx (n=QSECOFR@dsl-58-6-90-10.act.westnet.com.au) |
| 07:25.20 | jim | they want to be called "altitudinally challenged" now |
| 07:25.36 | *** join/#debian syntrx (n=QSECOFR@dsl-58-6-90-10.act.westnet.com.au) |
| 07:25.41 | markybob | how about just plain old ugly people? eek |
| 07:25.48 | stiv2k | socialist: hey i have openssh for windows now.. ok forgive me but i am not familiar with port forwarding with this client -- what parameters are required to do this |
| 07:25.51 | catsup | :( |
| 07:25.55 | catsup | it's a cruel world |
| 07:26.04 | *** join/#debian DDave (n=DDave@83.222.36.154) |
| 07:26.14 | markybob | catsup which is why you need a sense of humor |
| 07:26.15 | jim | stiv2k, should be in its docs |
| 07:26.23 | dutchfish | markybob, are you talking to me, i am plain old ughly and 51 ;) |
| 07:26.31 | Haris | my sense of humor melts in summers |
| 07:26.42 | jim | or a sense of farmer |
| 07:26.49 | stiv2k | jim: i dont think it came with the gnu man page or w/e that is on linux systems |
| 07:26.53 | markybob | dutchfish it's ok...god made alcohol so you could still get laid! |
| 07:26.59 | stiv2k | i suppose i can look it up from my other machine |
| 07:27.11 | jim | you can get the source, you can google for it |
| 07:27.22 | jim | it's good exercise |
| 07:27.26 | dutchfish | markybob, i didnt say i am single (i am not) and have a lovely wife, but that is oftopic in here ... ;) |
| 07:27.27 | *** join/#debian alain (n=alain@unaffiliated/alain) |
| 07:27.44 | stiv2k | jim: lol |
| 07:27.48 | markybob | :) |
| 07:27.58 | jim | you didn't say you were single and have a lovely wife? |
| 07:28.04 | jim | oh, ok :) |
| 07:28.13 | *** join/#debian laurly (n=laurly@0x50a4082e.vgnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 07:28.30 | catsup | don't worry dutchfish |
| 07:28.37 | dutchfish | catsup, :) |
| 07:28.38 | catsup | we won't tell your lovely wife that you're single |
| 07:28.44 | stiv2k | is it possible to forward an address A to an address B on the same port |
| 07:28.55 | jim | if you're single, who's lovely wife do you have? |
| 07:29.00 | alain | hello, I have a problem with bash; my ~/.inputrc seems not to be read; can you help me to diagnose the problem ? |
| 07:29.26 | dutchfish | !comfort catsup |
| 07:29.27 | dpkg | There, there, catsup. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 07:29.38 | jim | man bash, look at the FILES section for what file is read when and under what circumstances |
| 07:29.54 | JDigital | trading rune full for apache2 suexec tutorial |
| 07:30.03 | JDigital | trading cooked lobby certs |
| 07:30.46 | markybob | JDigital you've been asking about apache for hours...have you ever thought to ask #apache? |
| 07:30.47 | *** join/#debian litlebuda (n=litlebud@87-196-225-18.net.novis.pt) |
| 07:30.54 | Guerin | too obvious |
| 07:31.04 | catsup | i thought he was asking for the rune |
| 07:31.06 | JDigital | I've been asking #apache for hours too :) |
| 07:31.38 | markybob | Guerin i was wondering where your rune ass was tonight |
| 07:32.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 784] by debhelper |
| 07:32.07 | Haris | install error for zsh (from ports): http://pastebin.ca/1005787 |
| 07:32.12 | Guerin | i had to work because my foolish minions were off sick and on leave last night |
| 07:32.19 | Haris | oops |
| 07:32.21 | Guerin | Haris: tell the BTS |
| 07:32.21 | Haris | wrong window |
| 07:32.27 | Guerin | oh :) |
| 07:32.28 | markybob | Guerin shame. welcome |
| 07:32.37 | stiv2k | gahh |
| 07:32.40 | alain | I have this problem only on debian, the inputrc file should be read at login, but not on my box |
| 07:32.42 | stiv2k | i keep getting this Warning (2): mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 2 [CORE\cake\libs\model\datasources\dbo\dbo_mysql.php, line 100] |
| 07:32.51 | *** join/#debian INternat (n=nf@123-243-184-161.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 07:32.51 | Haris | I was surprised for a moment. What's Guerin doing in freebsd |
| 07:32.53 | Guerin | but on the plus side - I went out drinking massively last night with Deb's uncle, who's a truck driver from Tamworth |
| 07:32.57 | Haris | ..I thought, lol |
| 07:33.00 | jim | alain: |
| 07:33.02 | jim | man bash, look at the FILES section for what file is read when and under what circumstances |
| 07:33.12 | Guerin | Haris: yeah, i only use openbsd. |
| 07:33.22 | alain | jim: done |
| 07:33.34 | jim | what did you find out |
| 07:34.13 | alain | that it is used for other programs... is this behaviour specific to deb ? |
| 07:34.27 | jim | so it's not used in bash? |
| 07:34.57 | dutchfish | stiv2k, maybe this is a very obvious q, wich you already sorted ot, but you shure its not your code? like re-using your $link outside of its scope? |
| 07:35.15 | jim | this could explain why it's not read :) |
| 07:35.30 | *** join/#debian EmleyMoor (i=phil@topdeck.tinsleyviaduct.com) |
| 07:35.36 | alain | jim: how can I change line editing behaviour in bash then ? |
| 07:35.53 | *** join/#debian ajonat_ (n=ajonat@190.48.124.226) |
| 07:36.15 | stiv2k | dutchfish: it works fine from the remote copy of the website |
| 07:36.24 | *** join/#debian markybob (n=markybob@unaffiliated/markybob) |
| 07:36.32 | stiv2k | its my local copy thats erroring out cause it cant get mysql |
| 07:37.17 | dutchfish | stiv2k, and you sure this code is absolutely relative, and have same php.ini directives? like save mde etc etc |
| 07:37.42 | dutchfish | s/mde/mode |
| 07:37.49 | stiv2k | dutchfish: w00t, i got it to work |
| 07:37.50 | jim | hmm, this is the first time I'm hearing about editing behavior |
| 07:38.00 | dutchfish | stiv2k, oh? |
| 07:38.12 | mx | if i change the the upload_max_filesize in php.ini do i need to restart the server? |
| 07:38.19 | alain | jim: I just want to: set expand-tilde Off (this is an option specific to bash ? not readline in general) |
| 07:38.32 | stiv2k | dutchfish: i just had to make mysql listen on 127.0.0.1 |
| 07:38.50 | markybob | mx no. just reload |
| 07:38.56 | mx | hm |
| 07:39.03 | jim | I would make sure I had the bash info pages, then find out what command to issue to bash that sets its editing behavior, then put that in either .bashrc or .bash_profile |
| 07:39.07 | mx | whats the debian command? <---- noobie |
| 07:39.12 | markybob | mx /etc/init.d/apache2 reload |
| 07:39.15 | dutchfish | stiv2k, obvious |
| 07:39.39 | mx | i think mine is /etc/init.d/httd reload |
| 07:39.51 | markybob | not on debian it's not |
| 07:40.14 | *** join/#debian dante_2core (n=dante@80-219-138-141.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 07:40.21 | mx | hm |
| 07:40.21 | *** join/#debian SmallR2002 (n=SmallR20@79-69-20-242.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 07:40.22 | jim | mx: if you want to know about the system of starting/stopping services, you might look at /etc/init.d/README |
| 07:40.29 | mx | thanks |
| 07:40.36 | *** join/#debian litlebuda (n=litlebud@87-196-225-18.net.novis.pt) |
| 07:40.49 | jim | and /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 07:41.07 | dutchfish | mx, you also need to change apache2 for uploadsize |
| 07:42.07 | mx | how do I do that? |
| 07:42.08 | *** join/#debian p0g0__ (n=pogo@unaffiliated/p0g0) |
| 07:42.31 | *** part/#debian SoUkSoU (i=souksou@SoUkSoU.com) |
| 07:42.35 | *** join/#debian SoUkSoU (i=souksou@SoUkSoU.com) |
| 07:42.54 | *** join/#debian jose (n=jose@227.Red-213-96-192.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 07:43.40 | *** join/#debian keta (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 07:44.32 | *** join/#debian Tiffon (n=name@unaffiliated/tiff0n) |
| 07:45.12 | dutchfish | mx, in php.ini upload_max_filesize = xxM post_max_size = xxM and for apache2: http://tapestry.apache.org/tapestry4/tapestry/ComponentReference/Upload.html |
| 07:45.58 | dutchfish | mx,depending on your needs |
| 07:45.59 | jayaraj | hi, i am using debian etch 4. how can i know the version of some package already installed on my system? |
| 07:46.05 | mx | ty dutchfish i did the first one on php.ini |
| 07:46.08 | markybob | jayaraj dpkg -l foo |
| 07:46.14 | Guerin | !what version |
| 07:46.14 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 07:46.20 | mx | ned to the the one on apache |
| 07:46.24 | mx | but |
| 07:46.32 | jayaraj | markybob, thanks lemme try :) |
| 07:46.36 | mx | the way i reload/start is with /etc/init.d/httpd |
| 07:47.47 | markybob | mx that's not debian. please go to whatever distro's channel you're using |
| 07:48.00 | dutchfish | mx, also read this for time-outs: http://linuxgazette.net/123/vishnu.html |
| 07:48.28 | mx | ha, provider says it is debian |
| 07:48.44 | Bakkal | provider? |
| 07:48.49 | mx | host |
| 07:49.01 | mx | leaseweb |
| 07:49.05 | mx | tobe specific |
| 07:49.19 | dutchfish | mx, but your topic is not debian specific, you can restart apache2 with /etc/init.d/apache2 restart [or reload] |
| 07:49.32 | dutchfish | mx, RTFM |
| 07:49.44 | mx | ? |
| 07:49.48 | mx | okay |
| 07:50.41 | markybob | note to self...stay away from leaseweb |
| 07:51.07 | dutchfish | markybob, yes |
| 07:51.32 | mx | :/ |
| 07:52.07 | markybob | mx file is not in debian. period. |
| 07:52.14 | dutchfish | markybob, unless you want to develop botnet detection ;) |
| 07:54.42 | *** join/#debian n30 (n=n30@213.101.208.245) |
| 07:55.42 | mx | so i gues si am not running apache2 |
| 07:55.46 | mx | ther eis no such directory |
| 07:55.54 | stiv2k | yo, is it possible to forward samba over ssh ?! |
| 07:56.04 | stiv2k | has never thought of it before |
| 07:56.07 | dutchfish | stiv2k, yes, but why would you? |
| 07:56.15 | markybob | mx nope. there's probably a /etc/httpd |
| 07:56.16 | *** join/#debian crazyfrog (n=crazyfro@119.4.4.126) |
| 07:56.18 | *** join/#debian gfrench (n=chatzill@66-194-24-3.static.twtelecom.net) |
| 07:56.25 | stiv2k | dutchfish: see if i can get access to my music shares back at my apartment :| |
| 07:56.34 | Haris | ./etc/apache is more like it |
| 07:56.44 | dutchfish | stiv2k, use sshfs ;) |
| 07:56.44 | mx | nmm |
| 07:56.49 | mx | Apache 2.2.8Running |
| 07:56.51 | stiv2k | dutchfish: i'm on a windows machine |
| 07:57.11 | dutchfish | stiv2k, trow it away then |
| 07:57.20 | stiv2k | hey i got linux on the other partition ;) |
| 07:57.22 | mx | god knows where the director is located |
| 07:57.33 | markybob | mx check if /etc/httpd exists |
| 07:57.43 | *** part/#debian gfrench (n=chatzill@66-194-24-3.static.twtelecom.net) |
| 07:58.10 | dutchfish | stiv2k, save you some nice space on your hdd too ;) for extra music ;) |
| 07:58.18 | *** join/#debian mortehu (n=mortehu@195.159.128.13) |
| 07:58.22 | stiv2k | dutchfish: lol |
| 07:58.29 | mx | etc/init.d/httpd exists |
| 07:58.44 | *** join/#debian MakGyver (n=MakGyver@CPE-124-177-67-30.qld.bigpond.net.au) |
| 07:58.45 | *** join/#debian BaD-Laptop (n=john@c-67-171-0-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 07:58.48 | dutchfish | stiv2k, maybe then you dont need this "remote smb" at all ... (just a hint) |
| 07:58.56 | markybob | mx how do you think that's the same as what i asked? |
| 07:59.07 | mx | i didnt |
| 07:59.27 | Haris | its /etc/apache on debian |
| 07:59.47 | markybob | mx, in any case, this isnt debian. go talk to your host |
| 07:59.53 | stiv2k | dutchfish: you have a point |
| 08:00.05 | dutchfish | stiv2k, yw |
| 08:00.09 | mx | its tthere |
| 08:00.15 | crazyfrog | when i run "#man runlevel",i can not get the manual ,but most others i can get the manual.i suppose i did not install the right package,it is right? |
| 08:00.30 | markybob | mx that means you're running fedora or some other red hat-type distro. maybe centos since it's a cheap host |
| 08:00.31 | mx | etc/debian |
| 08:00.41 | mortehu | I have an unresolved dependency on linux-kbuild-2.6.25. Is this a known issue? |
| 08:00.46 | mx | er |
| 08:00.47 | markybob | debian doesnt even have /etc/debian, smartass |
| 08:00.48 | mx | etc/apache |
| 08:01.00 | mx | mistype |
| 08:01.05 | MakGyver | all, I am about to embark on an install of Debian on my PowerMac G4, is there anything I need to be aware of? |
| 08:01.13 | dutchfish | mortehu, what dep, (i had no problems with it) |
| 08:01.17 | markybob | gives up |
| 08:01.22 | mx | hehe |
| 08:01.26 | mortehu | dutchfish: linux-headers-2.6.25-1-amd64 needs it |
| 08:01.37 | ceil420 | is there some trick to getting conky to show on top of an e16 desktop wallpaper? i can see conky in virtual desktop 2 (no wallpaper), but not in 1 (wallpaper) |
| 08:01.40 | dutchfish | mortehu, needs what? |
| 08:01.42 | MakGyver | also, with the CD, why are there 2 CDs @ 1.2mg? |
| 08:01.50 | mortehu | dutchfish: Needs linux-kbuild-2.6.25, which does not exist |
| 08:02.07 | *** join/#debian simone (n=kvirc@66.251.26.8) |
| 08:02.22 | *** join/#debian eeedarius_v- (n=eeedariu@dslb-084-061-043-128.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 08:02.26 | dutchfish | mortehu, are you trying to compile vanilla 2.6.25.1, then use kp-mantra |
| 08:02.35 | mx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.58 | mortehu | dutchfish: I'm not trying to compile a kernel. I'm trying to install linux-headers-2.6.25-1-amd64 so I can build my own modules. |
| 08:03.09 | mortehu | I'm presently running 2.6.25 |
| 08:03.17 | mx | dutchfish: In Debian GNU/Linux, Info `dir' entries are added with the command |
| 08:03.18 | mx | `install-info'. Please refer to install-info(8) for usage details. |
| 08:03.21 | dutchfish | mortehu, ah, no, those are buggy, i build them myself |
| 08:03.49 | jim | mortehu: so that's your present uname -r? |
| 08:04.10 | mortehu | 2.6.25-1-amd64 |
| 08:04.14 | markybob | mx that would be nice, but apache (not apache2) would be /etc/init.d/apache on debian, not /etc/init.d/httpd |
| 08:04.50 | mx | but its /etc/apache |
| 08:04.55 | Haris | mx: The startup script would be in /etc/init.d/. something under this folder |
| 08:04.56 | *** join/#debian rav1 (n=ravn@c83-248-81-239.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 08:05.07 | Haris | ls -abF /etc/init.d can show you |
| 08:05.32 | dutchfish | mortehu, without header with build-dep installed correct something like: make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image modules_image kernel_source kernel_headers kernel_doc; |
| 08:05.33 | mx | yep |
| 08:05.34 | Haris | it can be apache, apache2, httpd, httpd2 or whatever |
| 08:05.39 | mx | there is reboot/startup/etc |
| 08:05.50 | mx | now i get it |
| 08:05.59 | jim | mx: it could be /etc/init.d/john and /etc/jojo |
| 08:06.26 | MakGyver | not to be rude, but can someone explain the 1.2meg ISO size to me |
| 08:06.27 | mx | why does markybob says its not debian? |
| 08:06.33 | *** join/#debian trpr (n=ftg2@24-117-49-210.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 08:06.40 | mx | shrugs |
| 08:06.41 | Haris | back onto my own problem |
| 08:06.41 | markybob | BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOU FUCKING DUMBASS |
| 08:06.58 | mx | itis me |
| 08:07.03 | mortehu | dutchfish: Okay. I guess I have to do that. Thanks for the command line. |
| 08:07.05 | *** join/#debian bluesceada_ (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 08:07.11 | mx | oh u should use commas |
| 08:07.11 | Haris | mx: check your OS -> cat /etc/debian-version or cat /etc/redhat-release |
| 08:07.18 | MakGyver | maybe I shouldnt install Debian, it seems to make people grumpy :) |
| 08:07.21 | jintxo | MakGyver, could those be floopy images instead of cd ISOs ? (size is right :-) |
| 08:07.21 | Haris | mx: that should tell you what OS you have |
| 08:07.23 | dutchfish | mortehu, and delve into distcc (just a tip) |
| 08:07.28 | jim | hmm, troll? |
| 08:07.39 | jintxo | s/floopy/floppy |
| 08:07.40 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 08:07.48 | markybob | nevermind that this is fucking #debian |
| 08:07.48 | MakGyver | jintxo, I thought so, but they are marked CD1 CD2 CD3 |
| 08:07.51 | mortehu | dutchfish: I have one of those Mac Pros with infinite cores. :P |
| 08:07.54 | Haris | actually, its debian_version |
| 08:07.59 | Haris | so cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:08.05 | dutchfish | mortehu, ah... very nice |
| 08:08.19 | mx | 4.0 |
| 08:08.37 | mx | so I guess it is debian huh? |
| 08:08.38 | Haris | what does cat /etc/issue say ? |
| 08:08.56 | mx | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 08:08.56 | markybob | mx no, i guess you're a troll, like jim suggested. nothing you've said has aligned |
| 08:09.13 | jim | mx, you appear to know more than you're saying |
| 08:09.17 | mx | dont confuse a noob with a troll |
| 08:09.18 | jintxo | MakGyver, odd. if you run "file" on them what do they show as? I would say they're either mis-named or something went wrong during download |
| 08:09.30 | mx | no i dunno knowy mucha bout linux |
| 08:09.34 | jim | now I know you're trolling |
| 08:09.40 | mx | just got the dedicated box 4 days ago |
| 08:09.49 | jim | fairly skillfully too |
| 08:09.54 | mx | .. |
| 08:10.03 | markybob | !ops mx troll |
| 08:10.03 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: markybob complains about: mx troll |
| 08:10.07 | mx | i woudlnt be wasting my time here |
| 08:10.18 | *** join/#debian hollywoodb (n=wade@nat1.aero.und.edu) |
| 08:10.26 | mx | losing money on websites whiel fixing alll these issues |
| 08:10.37 | jintxo | MakGyver, look at the sizes of these ISOs: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/powerpc/iso-cd/ |
| 08:11.25 | mx | now i need to learn how to change the max upload size in apache |
| 08:11.35 | mx | Haris thanks for ur help dude |
| 08:11.46 | *** join/#debian _croPe_ (n=Miranda@p54ABE6D6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:11.54 | jim | there is the apache docs for that |
| 08:12.09 | Haris | mx: that's php |
| 08:12.13 | Haris | not .. apache |
| 08:12.20 | mx | i have 2 open that markybob was nice enought o give me, but i really dont understand |
| 08:12.38 | mx | Haris i changed the php.ini post and max upload size |
| 08:12.49 | mx | but i still ahve problems uploading filez over 2 megs |
| 08:13.02 | Haris | mx: Did you forget to restart apache after that? |
| 08:13.17 | mx | i ddint |
| 08:13.21 | mx | i restarted it |
| 08:13.32 | *** join/#debian mysupper (n=mysupper@211.51.48.145) |
| 08:13.32 | mx | first it said some error in the php.ini directive |
| 08:13.34 | mysupper | hello guys |
| 08:13.45 | alain | jim: about ~/.inputrc, it is read ! I verified it with gdb. but set expand-tilde Off does not work on debian. The bug must be in bash !?. |
| 08:13.52 | mx | after cahnging and restarting, now the error changed to "The file DSC07750.JPG failed to upload because of an unknown problem." |
| 08:14.02 | MakGyver | jintxo, I downloaded the PowerMac version |
| 08:14.05 | MakGyver | PPC |
| 08:14.10 | Haris | mx: #php or #apache can you help you out with it |
| 08:14.20 | mx | yep, in apache right now :) |
| 08:14.24 | mx | looks dead though |
| 08:14.26 | Haris | mx: most probably permissions on the folder where it uploads the files |
| 08:14.32 | *** join/#debian pgpkeys (i=pgpkeys@neuron.subneural.net) |
| 08:14.34 | mx | ahshit! |
| 08:14.36 | mx | opps |
| 08:14.43 | jim | alain: ok, so what did you do after altering that file? |
| 08:14.49 | MakGyver | jintxo, its ok, I guess the download is b0rked up |
| 08:14.58 | *** join/#debian floe (n=flo@i59F73339.versanet.de) |
| 08:15.02 | mx | when i migrated teh site. i forgot to redo folder permissions |
| 08:15.06 | jintxo | MakGyver, yeah right, but either things dodn't download correctly or they are mislabeled. IF you have working fast internet you can use the netinstall cd image which is 180 megs or so for ppc |
| 08:15.13 | mx | let me try that |
| 08:15.23 | alain | jim: nothing, just created the file with 'set expand-tilde Off' |
| 08:15.33 | *** part/#debian markybob (n=markybob@unaffiliated/markybob) |
| 08:15.39 | *** join/#debian markybob (n=markybob@unaffiliated/markybob) |
| 08:15.47 | *** join/#debian blubberdiblub (i=foobar@dslb-088-074-086-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 08:15.48 | MakGyver | jintxo, yep, that is done |
| 08:15.53 | jim | so, you did not log out and log back in? |
| 08:16.07 | alain | jim: yes, I did |
| 08:16.17 | MakGyver | I did the net install, but figured there was more to offer on the bulk CD download |
| 08:16.22 | jim | oh, ok... so it should have read the .inputrc? |
| 08:16.39 | MakGyver | I only want web/mail/ftp/ssh anyhow |
| 08:16.45 | alain | jim: tried C-x C-r, tried bind -f ~/.inputrc |
| 08:17.03 | *** join/#debian sPHERE^ (n=Spheree@ti0097a380-0039.bb.online.no) |
| 08:17.10 | alain | jim: yes, as said it is indeed read |
| 08:17.11 | jintxo | MakGyver, after installing, you have the same debian, you just need to add the packages you want to it using the package manager. it doesn't matter how you install you end up with pretty much the same results |
| 08:17.14 | *** join/#debian Maskeye (n=maskeye@cpc2-nthc4-0-0-cust258.nrth.cable.ntl.com) |
| 08:17.43 | alain | jim: here is some gdb output: {name = 0x80e9172 "expand-tilde", value = 0x80f40d8, flags = 0} |
| 08:17.43 | alain | (gdb) p *boolean_varlist[7].value |
| 08:17.43 | alain | $15 = 0 |
| 08:17.43 | alain | (gdb) |
| 08:17.43 | *** kick/#debian [alain!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 08:18.26 | mx | haha! |
| 08:18.35 | mx | haris that was it |
| 08:18.51 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 08:18.51 | mx | i guess wont have to change anythiing on apache |
| 08:19.39 | *** join/#debian alain (n=alain@unaffiliated/alain) |
| 08:19.53 | *** join/#debian xored (n=gasdasdf@dslb-092-074-245-050.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 08:20.26 | *** join/#debian Fersure (i=Maybe@unaffiliated/fersure) |
| 08:20.42 | *** join/#debian floppypond (n=floppypo@unaffiliated/floppypond) |
| 08:21.52 | *** join/#debian wd (n=wd@adsl-75-47-247-255.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net) |
| 08:22.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 794] by debhelper |
| 08:24.24 | *** join/#debian Ogedei (n=user@ip503c4d9b.speed.planet.nl) |
| 08:24.51 | *** join/#debian ehc (n=evan@wall.pacinfo.com) |
| 08:25.27 | *** join/#debian qwe1 (n=qwe@86.57.137.7) |
| 08:25.30 | Ogedei | if I already have a running linux system, what would be the recommended way to spawn some really basic debian system onto another partition? |
| 08:25.45 | wd | installed sarge, "i had to very old laptop".. typed in xinit/startx got error..~$ xinit |
| 08:25.48 | wd | /etc/X11/X is not executable |
| 08:26.06 | mortehu | Ogedei: There's a progarm called debootstrap, that does that. |
| 08:26.18 | mx | thanks again Haris |
| 08:26.53 | mortehu | Ogedei: The installed system will lack /etc/fstab and won't install a bootloader, though. |
| 08:27.20 | Ogedei | mortehu: that's exactly what i'm looking for, I think. thanks! |
| 08:27.43 | *** join/#debian blust66 (n=root@host173-101-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 08:27.57 | *** join/#debian ehc (n=evan@wall.pacinfo.com) |
| 08:28.12 | *** join/#debian Ace2016 (n=ace@halls-129-31-70-5.hor.ic.ac.uk) |
| 08:28.27 | *** part/#debian Ace2016 (n=ace@halls-129-31-70-5.hor.ic.ac.uk) |
| 08:29.07 | *** part/#debian blust66 (n=root@host173-101-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 08:31.59 | *** join/#debian tralala (n=joro@unaffiliated/tralala) |
| 08:35.03 | Bushmills | and no kernel image |
| 08:35.14 | *** join/#debian floe_ (n=flo@i59F755C7.versanet.de) |
| 08:36.31 | Bushmills | wd, that should be a symlink to your X server. what does ls -l /etc/X11/X show? |
| 08:37.07 | *** join/#debian SparFux (n=raoul@e182016049.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 08:37.33 | SparFux | linux-kbuild-2.6.25 is missing in unstable? |
| 08:39.34 | lucia | hello. |
| 08:39.39 | SparFux | Hi Lucia. |
| 08:39.50 | SparFux | How is it going? |
| 08:40.20 | markybob | SparFux http://packages.debian.org/linux-kbuild |
| 08:40.41 | lucia | mount at the time of percentage the time will be caught often and long is being taken up. Why like this actual condition will happen? |
| 08:40.58 | lucia | what going? |
| 08:41.07 | SparFux | markybob: There's only 2.6.24, yes. |
| 08:41.23 | SparFux | Life going. |
| 08:41.34 | lucia | take a long time at mount the hdd. |
| 08:42.04 | SparFux | Ah, there is a bug report for missing kbuild. |
| 08:42.13 | SparFux | lucia: how long? |
| 08:42.45 | lucia | maybe.. 10 sec? |
| 08:42.46 | *** join/#debian ootput (n=ootput@unaffiliated/ootput) |
| 08:43.00 | lucia | 10 to 15 sec.. |
| 08:43.07 | Bushmills | what file system? |
| 08:43.18 | lucia | i using busybox's mount... ext3. |
| 08:43.22 | wd | Bushmills: ooops it showed xorg.. but i don't have xorg.. i did but i removed it and got xfree again.. anyway i deleted "X" file and problem still exists. |
| 08:43.39 | Bushmills | wd, hash -r |
| 08:44.04 | Ogedei | does chrooting into a debootstrapped partition and then getting a kernel with apt-get work? |
| 08:44.04 | SparFux | lucia: depending on your system, 10 secs might even be normal delay. |
| 08:44.11 | ootput | have any of you implemented ramdisk on your desktop systems? I can understand their usage in servers, but for desktop use, what else could I use it for besides temp internet files? |
| 08:44.14 | SparFux | Ogedei: Yes. |
| 08:44.19 | *** join/#debian shyam_k (n=user@117.196.142.54) |
| 08:44.39 | SparFux | Ogedei: Don't forget to mount a /boot in chroot. |
| 08:44.39 | lucia | it's not normal... sometime spend 10sec over. |
| 08:44.40 | wd | Bushmills: ok i did "hash -r" was i expecting something because nada. |
| 08:44.52 | lucia | generaly just 1sec. |
| 08:44.58 | Bushmills | wd, now X will not be found anymore |
| 08:44.58 | SparFux | lucia: What machine are you using? |
| 08:45.08 | lucia | mipsel architecture. |
| 08:45.15 | Bushmills | wd, the location was cached |
| 08:45.20 | SparFux | Lucia: on the other hand, you will always have to keep in mind that it might be a hardware problem with the hd. |
| 08:45.50 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@cl-2502.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) |
| 08:45.57 | Ogedei | SparFux: is there any problem with just having /boot on the same partition as / ? |
| 08:46.00 | *** join/#debian valdyn (n=valdyn@valdyn.org) |
| 08:46.20 | lucia | SparFux: thanks for your kindness.. |
| 08:46.36 | SparFux | Ogedei: No. Just keep it in mind in case you are using seperate /boot. And it's necessary for cryptoroot btw. |
| 08:46.49 | SparFux | Lucia: It's just an idea. In this case you should hurry and backup the data! |
| 08:46.53 | wd | Bushmills: http://rafb.net/p/4VPN1R61.html |
| 08:47.19 | *** join/#debian Vilzu (n=chatzill@a91-152-225-158.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 08:47.24 | SparFux | Lucia: This is why I just mention the possibility. I experienced hardware problems with harddisk just liks this. Perhaps the disk tries to re-read some part of the platters and it is going to crash. |
| 08:47.26 | Bushmills | Ogedei: that's a way to make sure that the kernel resides on the first part of the harddisk, where especially old BIOSes can access it during boot |
| 08:47.37 | lucia | very unstable hdd? but.. i did try any hdd. |
| 08:47.37 | Bushmills | Ogedei: especaily with dual-boot systems |
| 08:47.40 | SparFux | Bushmills: yes. and this. |
| 08:47.41 | markybob | wd of course it says it's not there. you said you removed it |
| 08:47.58 | Vilzu | why should i use linux? |
| 08:47.58 | *** join/#debian rpedro_ (n=rpedro@87-196-138-172.net.novis.pt) |
| 08:48.04 | SparFux | lucia: oh, it's not the only one. Then a problem with the hdd is less likely. |
| 08:48.10 | markybob | Vilzu you shouldnt |
| 08:48.28 | SparFux | Vilzu: My strong advice goes for L4 microkernel. |
| 08:48.33 | wd | markybob: ok. but i have xfree now and the config also so why isn't x server starting |
| 08:48.33 | lucia | tune2fs <-- it's not ploblem? |
| 08:48.34 | Vilzu | because it is hard to use |
| 08:48.47 | Vilzu | no it is not hard to use |
| 08:48.51 | SparFux | Vilzu: No, because L4 is the best kernel achritecture ATM. |
| 08:49.11 | SparFux | IMHO. |
| 08:49.15 | Bushmills | wd, not sure whether i get it. you don't have X, deleted the sym link to an X server, but expect startx to start X ? |
| 08:49.37 | lucia | thanks, everybody. |
| 08:50.13 | Vilzu | but i dont have any part of my harddisk empty |
| 08:50.27 | Vilzu | so i could no install it |
| 08:50.32 | SparFux | Vilzu: Try Knoppix. |
| 08:50.47 | SparFux | http://www.knoppix.org/ |
| 08:51.23 | wd | Bushmills: i had xfree, i used apt-spy to find a faster server, somehow xorg was on my system, i apt-ger removed xorg, changed servers back to orig to get xfree, on reboot x would't start |
| 08:52.07 | Bushmills | do you still have XFree, or has it been removed as result of installing Xorg? |
| 08:52.10 | *** join/#debian braydon (n=braydon@66-215-83-10.dhcp.psdn.ca.charter.com) |
| 08:52.11 | wd | Bushmills: i saw the link x to xorg file, don't know how it got there.. i del it thinking xfree config file will execute..nada |
| 08:52.29 | Bushmills | and, apt-spy is not related to X server at all |
| 08:52.32 | SparFux | wd: xfree uses a different config file. XF86config, I think. |
| 08:52.42 | Bushmills | that's for finding debian mirrors |
| 08:52.58 | wd | Bushmills: yes i wanted a faster deb server updates. |
| 08:53.06 | wd | SparFux: yes i have that. |
| 08:53.06 | SparFux | wd: LOL |
| 08:53.26 | SparFux | wd: You have to check the /var/log/XFree86.whatever log. |
| 08:53.28 | wd | Bushmills: yes i used apt-spy to find a faster mirror. |
| 08:53.33 | SparFux | And see what errors occured. |
| 08:53.46 | Bushmills | wd, symlink /etc/X11/X to your xfree server |
| 08:54.20 | wd | Bushmills: i deleted /etc/X11/X because it was pointing to xorg. |
| 08:54.30 | Bushmills | wd, symlink /etc/X11/X to your xfree server |
| 08:54.31 | wd | Bushmills: which i don't have. |
| 08:54.43 | wd | Bushmills: ok |
| 08:55.17 | *** join/#debian djace (n=djace@224.Red-80-37-126.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 08:55.18 | *** join/#debian Cobra| (n=aa@Uba1e.u.pppool.de) |
| 08:56.22 | wd | Bushmills: correct?.... /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 08:56.42 | wd | Bushmills: server that is. |
| 08:57.13 | Bushmills | you have XFree, not me. so you're more in a position to verify the proper location than me |
| 08:57.47 | Bushmills | file /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 08:58.17 | wd | Bushmills: ty |
| 08:58.49 | *** join/#debian maxt3r (n=maxt3r@0x5550877d.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 08:58.57 | wd | Bushmills: now i'm confused... locate XFree86 got me this ... /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86 |
| 08:59.05 | wd | Bushmills: darnit. |
| 08:59.27 | Bushmills | one is probably a symlink to the other. |
| 08:59.29 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 09:00.17 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 09:00.55 | wd | Bushmills: ln -s /etc/X11/X > /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 ? |
| 09:01.13 | wd | Bushmills: linking correct? |
| 09:01.23 | wd | one or two > |
| 09:01.32 | Bushmills | no. swap src and target, and drop the > |
| 09:01.53 | wd | Bushmills: k |
| 09:02.18 | wd | ln -s /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 /etc/X11/X ? |
| 09:02.38 | *** join/#debian floe__ (n=flo@i59F76FA0.versanet.de) |
| 09:02.40 | Bushmills | if you have executed your command already, you may have to reinstall X |
| 09:02.57 | wd | Bushmills: i haven't yet... |
| 09:03.02 | wd | was about to |
| 09:03.25 | *** join/#debian Superbartt (n=bart@ipd50a21c9.speed.planet.nl) |
| 09:03.35 | wd | Bushmills: x window system and xfree? |
| 09:03.37 | wd | rats |
| 09:03.42 | *** join/#debian hellohello (n=ramunas@88.222.137.30) |
| 09:03.54 | markybob | wd apt-get install xbase-clients |
| 09:04.16 | wd | markybob: do the command first right the linking? |
| 09:04.33 | markybob | it'd install after |
| 09:05.11 | wd | markybob: doing install now |
| 09:05.24 | wd | markybob: it says it's the newest version |
| 09:05.34 | markybob | wd can you startx? |
| 09:05.36 | *** part/#debian MakGyver (n=MakGyver@CPE-124-177-67-30.qld.bigpond.net.au) |
| 09:05.46 | markybob | literally type startx |
| 09:07.06 | *** join/#debian streuner (n=streuner@p54A5FA0C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:08.08 | *** join/#debian Sambrista (n=alfonso@217.216.152.100.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 09:08.56 | wd | markybob: http://rafb.net/p/q8C4S727.html |
| 09:09.18 | wd | markybob: i saw a mouse and grey screen but closed with this. |
| 09:09.30 | markybob | wd warnnings arent errors. any errors? |
| 09:09.55 | wd | markybob: no just skipping.. no errors. |
| 09:09.58 | markybob | try apt-get install x-window-system |
| 09:10.11 | wd | markybob: k |
| 09:10.23 | markybob | (followed by startx) |
| 09:10.23 | jim | did the X move when you moved the mouse? |
| 09:10.53 | wd | jim: didn't get a chance to test mice |
| 09:11.02 | wd | jim: i'll do again. |
| 09:11.03 | markybob | you should probably listen to jim over me right now. i'm pretty intoxicated :P |
| 09:11.09 | Agiofws | hi |
| 09:11.13 | wd | markybob: lol |
| 09:11.26 | Agiofws | some one tell me why synergy is not in lenny ? |
| 09:11.30 | *** join/#debian kinneh (n=han@gazonk.se) |
| 09:11.30 | jim | I just wanna see if the mouse works for ya |
| 09:11.30 | Agiofws | and is in stable ? |
| 09:11.34 | Agiofws | sarge ? |
| 09:11.50 | Agiofws | thats really strange and stupid ? |
| 09:11.52 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# apt-cache search synergy |
| 09:11.52 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# apt-cache search syner |
| 09:11.52 | Agiofws | ixus:/home/agiofws# |
| 09:11.52 | *** kick/#debian [Agiofws!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 09:11.59 | jim | tel me whyyyyy u cry n y u lieeee to meeee |
| 09:12.01 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 09:12.12 | *** join/#debian szymon (n=szymon@cbr192.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 09:12.18 | wd | jim: yes i moved it and server shut down |
| 09:12.22 | *** join/#debian cycle- (n=cycle@c-76-106-163-31.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 09:12.41 | jim | so you saw it move on the screen but the server died? |
| 09:12.47 | wd | yes |
| 09:12.56 | wd | jim: everytime |
| 09:13.04 | Agiofws | would some one like to tell me why the f synergy is not in LENNY ? |
| 09:13.06 | SparFux | wd: check the log. What does it say? |
| 09:13.07 | *** join/#debian dpm (n=dpm@p54A12DA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:13.09 | Agiofws | would some one like to tell me why the f "synergy" is not in LENNY ? |
| 09:13.15 | jim | benny |
| 09:13.17 | markybob | Agiofws check it's info. maybe it was orphaned |
| 09:13.25 | Agiofws | but is in stable debian ? |
| 09:13.34 | markybob | orphaned after |
| 09:13.40 | markybob | i dont know, check it is all i'm saying |
| 09:13.45 | Agiofws | i have 2 pcs here one has stable other has lenny |
| 09:13.57 | Agiofws | markofvero, how do i check it ? |
| 09:14.08 | Agiofws | markybob, , how do i check it ? |
| 09:14.13 | alain | jim: I found the problem for bash input tilde expansion, I'm using lenny and sid; where can I report the problem ? |
| 09:14.17 | *** join/#debian valdyn_ (n=valdyn@valdyn.org) |
| 09:14.36 | jim | you could file a bug... what is the problem? |
| 09:14.46 | markybob | Agiofws ah, it is WNPP |
| 09:14.50 | markybob | Agiofws http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=470186 |
| 09:14.57 | Agiofws | WNPP? |
| 09:15.08 | *** join/#debian rpedro__ (n=rpedro@87-196-154-184.net.novis.pt) |
| 09:15.11 | jim | alain, btw, good work |
| 09:15.34 | Sambrista | Hi! I'm creating a .deb package and I would like gconf to install some schemas when installing the package. Does anyone know how to do it?? Thanks in advance |
| 09:15.37 | markybob | Agiofws "Work-Needing and Prospective Packages, WNPP for short, is a list of packages in need of new maintainers and prospective packages in Debian" |
| 09:15.43 | jim | alain, can you describe the problem? |
| 09:15.45 | alain | the problem is in /etc/bash_completion, it does the tilde expansion anyway |
| 09:15.56 | wd | SparFux: http://rafb.net/p/fNToaM59.html |
| 09:16.13 | Agiofws | ok |
| 09:16.27 | markybob | Agiofws iow, if you know what you're doing, step up and take over |
| 09:16.39 | wd | SparFux: i'm thinking my mouse is screwed i don't have 5 buttons |
| 09:16.42 | wd | hehe |
| 09:16.43 | Agiofws | i'm no coder |
| 09:17.10 | jim | or a foreboder, a motor, a boater |
| 09:17.18 | markybob | Agiofws you could donate to debian if that package is important to you |
| 09:17.23 | markybob | or jim :P |
| 09:17.24 | markybob | heh |
| 09:17.31 | kinneh | anybody knows alpha and care to take a look at http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?&pkg=pike7.6&ver=7.6.112-1&arch=alpha&stamp=1209473168&file=log |
| 09:17.34 | kinneh | ? |
| 09:18.09 | *** join/#debian scraisy (n=claro@92.pool85-60-141.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 09:18.18 | markybob | kinneh fuck man....that's a nasty ass long |
| 09:18.33 | *** join/#debian derchris (n=derchris@87-194-89-163.bethere.co.uk) |
| 09:18.43 | markybob | kinneh glad i dont use that :P |
| 09:19.01 | *** join/#debian soppman (n=kuejor@89.233.241.215) |
| 09:19.02 | soppman | hi |
| 09:19.22 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 09:19.24 | soppman | what should i use if i want people to login much like in a domain login in windows? |
| 09:19.25 | markybob | no hi! bye! |
| 09:19.31 | soppman | but with linux server and linux clients? |
| 09:19.39 | *** part/#debian Sambrista (n=alfonso@217.216.152.100.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 09:19.43 | markybob | soppman somba supports ms domain control |
| 09:19.47 | *** join/#debian fxmf (n=fxmf@p5B04ACE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:19.58 | markybob | soppman samba* |
| 09:20.13 | markybob | soppman it also support active directory |
| 09:20.15 | soppman | but since all clients are linux i thought i didnt need samba |
| 09:20.25 | markybob | ah, ok. i misunderstood |
| 09:20.26 | dutchfish | soppman, nfs |
| 09:20.41 | soppman | nfs, but with what? |
| 09:20.45 | dutchfish | soppman, much better performance |
| 09:20.46 | soppman | they need to login in to something |
| 09:20.58 | markybob | soppman in that case, you can use anything pam supports, which is everything from mysql, to usb keys, to ldap |
| 09:21.02 | *** part/#debian fxmf (n=fxmf@p5B04ACE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:21.06 | soppman | so that all client computers can be used by anyone |
| 09:21.17 | dutchfish | soppman, ldap on large nets, preferable |
| 09:21.35 | markybob | is. i'd say ldap or mysql, depending on how customized it has to be |
| 09:21.37 | soppman | ok |
| 09:21.39 | *** join/#debian fxmf (n=fxmf@p5B04ACE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:22.03 | *** join/#debian youp (n=youp@124-171-37-86.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 09:22.43 | joltcan | If you are thinking of extending it with address books, mail routing and other stuff, just go with LDAP. That is what it is built for, and you don't have to go and extend your tables in the database all the time |
| 09:23.04 | joltcan | But LDAP has a learning curve, so there is always up's and down's with all solutions |
| 09:23.07 | dutchfish | joltcan, exactly |
| 09:23.39 | *** join/#debian format_c (n=format_c@p57A71AEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:23.46 | *** join/#debian Fox_1_ (n=Vardan@91.103.31.146) |
| 09:24.21 | *** join/#debian Garda (n=Garda@58.175.100.61) |
| 09:24.33 | *** join/#debian Zeit|awy (n=wurscht@p4FD8C8BE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:24.43 | ootput | have any of you implemented ramdisk on your desktop systems? I can understand their usage in servers, but for desktop use, what else could I use it for besides temp internet files? |
| 09:25.22 | dutchfish | ootput, the linux kernel does a fine job on this already, why would you? |
| 09:25.28 | *** join/#debian fxmf (n=fxmf@p5B04ACE2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:26.02 | joeyjones | ootput: maybe for files that you access a lot |
| 09:26.10 | dutchfish | ootput, most of the time ramdisk uses decreases performance |
| 09:26.24 | ootput | dutchfish: joeyjones: yeah, i'm looking for speed gains |
| 09:26.25 | *** join/#debian namit (n=christia@83-70-241-72.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 09:26.33 | *** join/#debian PyroMithrandir (n=pyro@192.211.25.149) |
| 09:27.06 | dutchfish | ootput, you could gain speed perforamce by using dif backends (database) |
| 09:27.11 | joltcan | If you are looking for speed gains, go with faster disks and array of disks. Having stuff in ramdisk will only make you cry the day your electriciy dies |
| 09:27.27 | dutchfish | joltcan, so true |
| 09:27.46 | joltcan | ootput: What are the specific stuff you use that you need speed gain for? |
| 09:28.16 | wd | jim: ok..i rebooted and startx started with xdm.. wow.. i don't recall doing this.. i usually go to console and type startx. |
| 09:28.49 | wd | jim: i need to save resources. |
| 09:31.06 | *** join/#debian pocukrani (n=pocukran@89-212-86-225.static.t-2.net) |
| 09:31.06 | INternat | so i have a wierd issue that i THINK is related to gdm. If i startx as root, the display loads and everything runs fine. If i use gdm or even kdm and then login, all my fonts are fubar.. everything is like massive, yet KDE reports the resolution is fine |
| 09:31.20 | INternat | although i have just found using KDM produces the same results |
| 09:31.28 | *** join/#debian nader (i=nader@82.99.215.100) |
| 09:31.34 | *** join/#debian xenonex (n=xenonex@89.218.236.171) |
| 09:31.41 | jim | wd: does x stay up? |
| 09:31.43 | *** join/#debian floe_ (n=flo@i59F70E0B.versanet.de) |
| 09:31.58 | *** join/#debian Mazingaro (n=tetsuja@host147-151-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 09:32.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 801] by debhelper |
| 09:32.22 | jim | or does it die the unnatural death of the fickle finger of fate? |
| 09:33.08 | dutchfish | INternat, could be in user configs, what happens when you create a new user and login in clean under that? |
| 09:33.25 | wd | jim: yes.. i go to exit with twm..login box pops up..i had to altf2 to get console..do i have to apt=get remove xdm to type in startx manually? |
| 09:33.51 | INternat | well at the display manager everything in GDM appears fine, but when you start typing the username the text i |
| 09:33.54 | jim | well you don't need to startx anymore if you don'w want |
| 09:33.55 | INternat | is massive* |
| 09:34.05 | *** join/#debian Somebee (n=somebee@c217DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) |
| 09:34.17 | ceil420 | X is for wusses |
| 09:34.18 | ceil420 | <_< |
| 09:34.21 | dutchfish | INternat, yyping where? |
| 09:34.26 | ceil420 | hides his X session |
| 09:34.27 | dutchfish | s/yping/typing |
| 09:34.36 | wd | jim: i'm assuming x window system or xfree configd xdm automaticaly? |
| 09:34.41 | Somebee | When I do ./configure for nginx, I get "/configure: error: C compiler gcc is not found" but I have installed gcc.. what can be wrong? its a fresh debian install |
| 09:34.49 | INternat | my username into the username box |
| 09:35.02 | jim | wd: seems that way... or something automatically installed xdm |
| 09:35.15 | ceil420 | Somebee, apt-cache policy gcc ; make sure your gcc version is compatible with the program |
| 09:35.23 | dutchfish | INternat, maybe inapropriate fonts for your setup |
| 09:35.30 | dutchfish | INternat, just guessing |
| 09:35.51 | INternat | nah cause if i run startx as root and it logs in, everything is perfect |
| 09:35.52 | wd | jim: well i'm using an old world mac powerbook 1400..166mhz, 32mg ram.. i need all my recources.. so i should probly remove xdm. |
| 09:36.07 | wd | *resources. |
| 09:36.12 | ceil420 | i wouldn't be uses X at all on that :x |
| 09:36.15 | ceil420 | using* |
| 09:36.23 | jim | is it that much more to have xdm? |
| 09:36.29 | INternat | iits something that kdm or gdm is doing |
| 09:36.30 | Somebee | ceil420: http://pastie.caboo.se/190952 |
| 09:36.50 | INternat | cause ive changed gdm to allow root logins, and the root login is fubar with the fonts, but when i run starx it works peftectly with proper fonts and eveyrhting |
| 09:36.54 | ceil420 | Somebee, same version i got :x |
| 09:37.20 | wd | jim: i prefer console and startx. but when u log out of twm is it suppose to take u to a login screen.. what if u want a console? |
| 09:37.21 | micols | how do i disable C-s and C-x in my terminal ? |
| 09:37.36 | micols | suspend, i want to use it for starting torrents in rtorrent |
| 09:37.38 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 09:37.46 | dutchfish | INternat, could be in user configs, what happens when you create a new user and login in clean under that? (apart from the loging box) |
| 09:37.46 | *** join/#debian engla (n=ulrik@p57B0804F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:37.48 | micols | C-s and C-q even |
| 09:37.52 | ceil420 | that reminds me, can someone tell me how i can change the list of Sessions available in gdm? |
| 09:37.55 | micols | there was some tty command for this |
| 09:38.29 | INternat | nope |
| 09:38.32 | INternat | fubared for the new user as well |
| 09:38.51 | mx | anyone experinced with imagick library? |
| 09:39.42 | wd | jim: ok this is too much.... heh.. i tried to remove xdm and it's listing x window system also.. wt heck. is xdm now part of x window system? |
| 09:40.05 | hoxu | wd, with aptitude? |
| 09:40.13 | wd | hoxu: apt-get |
| 09:40.17 | jim | you can remove that |
| 09:40.20 | *** join/#debian smica (n=smica@pool156-212.cable.tolna.net) |
| 09:40.23 | jim | it's just a metapackage |
| 09:41.20 | *** join/#debian vinilios__ (n=vinilios@adsl66-32.kln.forthnet.gr) |
| 09:41.21 | wd | jim: so remove xdm only.. apt-get remove xdm should work right.. because it says x-window-system xdm.... 2 to remove. |
| 09:41.31 | *** join/#debian pocukrani (n=pocukran@89-212-86-225.static.t-2.net) |
| 09:41.45 | dutchfish | INternat, you are running debian etch? |
| 09:41.47 | Dewi | wd: if it's only those 2 it sounds like x-window-system is a metapackage as well |
| 09:41.48 | jim | you can remove x-window-system |
| 09:41.51 | jim | it's just a metapackage |
| 09:42.10 | Dewi | wd: try queueing up the remove and then requesting x-window-system to install? maybe that will remove just the one |
| 09:42.11 | INternat | lenny, but i did have the same problem with etch, i just cant remember how i fixed it |
| 09:42.20 | INternat | i am using a 42" tv as my screen |
| 09:42.38 | dutchfish | INternat, screen resolution? |
| 09:42.47 | *** join/#debian cobra6 (n=cobra6@202.88.169.33) |
| 09:42.49 | INternat | 1920x1080 |
| 09:43.04 | dutchfish | INternat, and wich dpi fonts you are using? |
| 09:43.12 | wd | jim: so i don't nee x window huh? i mean xfree is all i need |
| 09:43.14 | INternat | not sure |
| 09:43.16 | INternat | how do i tell |
| 09:43.45 | wd | Downer: try queueing up the remove? |
| 09:43.47 | dutchfish | INternat, dpkg -l | grep xfonts |
| 09:44.09 | Dewi | wd: yes |
| 09:44.13 | *** join/#debian zly (n=zly@5634dfcf.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 09:44.14 | jim | you can remove x-window-system, it's an empty shell |
| 09:44.16 | jim | it's just a metapackage |
| 09:44.16 | *** join/#debian sparr (n=sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr) |
| 09:44.23 | wd | jim: ok |
| 09:44.30 | *** join/#debian Selveste1 (n=Selveste@85.235.243.199) |
| 09:44.35 | jim | once you do that you can remove xdm |
| 09:45.09 | Dewi | wd: oh, I meant --schedule-only but that appears to be aptitude only |
| 09:45.14 | ma3x | how can i specify 2 different cachesizes for mplayer? (one for radio and one for movies) ? |
| 09:45.26 | Dewi | wd: you should really switch to aptitude one of these days; it's a fair bit smarter and more powerful |
| 09:45.38 | *** join/#debian Ace2016 (n=ace@halls-129-31-70-5.hor.ic.ac.uk) |
| 09:45.55 | wd | Dewi: i have it i just thought apt was the command line version of it. |
| 09:45.55 | INternat | 100 and 75 are returning |
| 09:46.25 | dutchfish | INternat, and xfonts-scalable and xfonts-utils are there too? |
| 09:46.27 | Dewi | wd: not quite, aptitude keeps more metadata and supports command-line usage that is a little more powerful |
| 09:46.46 | wd | Dewi: ok. |
| 09:47.16 | Dewi | wd: but be careful when you switch between them, aptitude has a concept of "automatically installed" packages which it will remove if it thinks you no longer need them |
| 09:47.17 | jim | say I sent a print job to cups but the printer was down... brought the printer up, nothing happened... the jobs might be cueued? |
| 09:47.24 | wd | jim: i thought x window system.. draws boxes and frames what's xfree for then? |
| 09:47.37 | wd | Dewi: ok |
| 09:48.10 | hoxu | wd, don't mix usage of apt-get and aptitude |
| 09:48.13 | Dewi | wd: x-window-system is a whole system related to that, xorg is the full server package these days |
| 09:48.36 | wd | hoxu: ok. |
| 09:48.51 | wd | Dewi: ok |
| 09:48.52 | Dewi | wd: but I think it's just a transitional metapackage |
| 09:48.59 | jim | it's a long story which I don't want to get into... you're not understanding what metapackage is |
| 09:49.29 | Dewi | wd: which means it's not really software, it's just a package that installs other packages, and you already have those so if it disappears it shouldn't mater |
| 09:49.33 | Dewi | +t |
| 09:49.36 | dutchfish | !metapackage |
| 09:49.36 | dpkg | methinks metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get command line. Roy Rogers never metapackage he didn't like. it's supposed to be WILL rogers The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example). |
| 09:49.58 | wd | ok i have a problem.. lol.. i just took off x window and xdm .. got console typed in startx got grey screen and it closed, i'm at console again.. aargh. |
| 09:50.15 | hoxu | wd, do you have a display manager? |
| 09:50.19 | Dewi | wd: what distro you running? |
| 09:50.27 | wd | hoxu: no |
| 09:50.37 | wd | Dewi: sarge ppc |
| 09:50.45 | Dewi | wd: oh you should have said |
| 09:50.47 | *** part/#debian fxcp (n=ctp@brsg-d9bee1f2.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 09:50.57 | wd | hoxu: display manager.. window manager? |
| 09:50.58 | Dewi | wd: sarge was replaced a year ago |
| 09:51.00 | *** join/#debian quitte (n=quitte@f051083046.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 09:51.19 | hoxu | wd, nevermind, but display manager != window manager |
| 09:51.21 | INternat | dutchfish: yep there both there |
| 09:51.23 | Dewi | wd: I'm afraid x-window-system wasn't a metapacakge in sarge! |
| 09:51.31 | INternat | its something to do with the login managers change things |
| 09:51.38 | wd | Dewi: i know but i'm using a mac oldworld /nubus kernel 2.4.27 with 166mhz / 32 meg ram. |
| 09:51.39 | INternat | cause as root with startx everything runs perfectly |
| 09:51.41 | jim | they're going to suggest you upgrade. remember that whether you do that or not is your choice |
| 09:51.43 | dutchfish | INternat, then you problem is prolly in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 09:51.51 | Dewi | wd: and it did depend on xdm |
| 09:51.54 | wd | Dewi: oh |
| 09:52.05 | INternat | err why |
| 09:52.13 | INternat | startx runs and everything works fine |
| 09:52.16 | dutchfish | INternat, maybe there is an old copy in it wich you can revert too |
| 09:52.18 | wd | Dewi: i didn't have xdm earlier |
| 09:52.18 | INternat | so why xorg.conf? |
| 09:52.26 | *** join/#debian jakub (n=jkb@r3t210.net.upc.cz) |
| 09:52.29 | Dewi | wd: hmm |
| 09:52.34 | Dewi | wd: http://packages.debian.org/sarge/x-window-system |
| 09:52.47 | Dewi | wd: then why were you trying to remove it? |
| 09:52.51 | dutchfish | INternat, man xorg.conf (section about fonts) |
| 09:52.54 | wd | Dewi: oh i had fluxbox.. |
| 09:52.59 | Dewi | wd: oh sorry |
| 09:53.06 | Dewi | wd: x-window-system was still a metapacakge back then |
| 09:53.15 | wd | Dewi: oh |
| 09:53.16 | jim | Dewi: becaise I thought it was a metapackage |
| 09:53.19 | Dewi | wd: but it was a current metapackage, as opposed to now, it is deprecated |
| 09:53.30 | jim | so, one removes that, then one can remove xdm |
| 09:53.33 | INternat | again my question stands though.. why with startx is it fine and kdm/gdm? i would have thought that ruled out xorg.conf |
| 09:53.40 | Dewi | jim: except wd did that and now X won't start |
| 09:53.51 | jim | right |
| 09:53.58 | jim | wonder why |
| 09:54.08 | Dewi | jim: maybe xdm was important in that configuration? |
| 09:54.23 | jim | not sure about that |
| 09:54.28 | jim | I ran sarge |
| 09:54.46 | Dewi | wd: why you trying to remove xdm anyway? |
| 09:54.51 | jim | I believe I was running gdm back then |
| 09:54.52 | dutchfish | INternat, depending on whats in xorg.conf it can be related to rights |
| 09:55.10 | dutchfish | INternat, at least there is where i would start my search |
| 09:55.13 | Dewi | wd; and are you sure it removed ONLY 2 packages? |
| 09:55.25 | dutchfish | INternat, also check your xserver logs |
| 09:55.29 | wd | Dewi: i need all resources i can keep. plus i prefer starting up in console. |
| 09:55.47 | wd | Dewi: apt-get said onlyh 2. |
| 09:55.54 | wd | only* |
| 09:55.55 | *** join/#debian floe__ (n=flo@i59F72700.versanet.de) |
| 09:56.04 | Dewi | wd: hmm well let's see |
| 09:56.06 | dutchfish | INternat, had some funny issues in lenny with this topic myself |
| 09:56.16 | Dewi | wd: sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 09:56.20 | Dewi | wd: does that do anything? |
| 09:56.25 | Dewi | wd: actually before you proceed |
| 09:56.30 | Dewi | wd: sudo apt-get install -f |
| 09:56.32 | wd | Dewi: the only diff is i had fluxbox but don't have it now.. |
| 09:56.44 | Dewi | wd: that will attempt to fix any brokenness |
| 09:56.45 | wd | Dewi: ok |
| 09:56.58 | Dewi | wd: then try to install x-window-system-core, you should already have it, but we'll see |
| 09:57.15 | dutchfish | INternat, if you are brave, make a copy of xorg.conf and do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg again |
| 09:57.24 | Dewi | wd: it seems to be the next biggest metapackage to x-window-system but WITHOUT xdm |
| 09:57.32 | Dewi | wd: do you wish to use fluxbox? |
| 09:57.46 | dutchfish | INternat, specially watch for errors in another console during the process |
| 09:57.48 | Dewi | wd: what do you want to use as window manager? |
| 09:58.10 | *** join/#debian e1z0 (i=net@84.32.74.241) |
| 09:58.55 | wd | Dewi: well i had fluxbox but it sucked up memory which i only have trackpad mouse and one mouse button so i had to inittab use f12 for mouse button 2. |
| 09:59.16 | Dewi | wd: fluxbox is one of the smallest isn't it? |
| 09:59.25 | Dewi | wd: what are you going to use instead? |
| 09:59.27 | wd | Dewi: so what's liter than fluxbox.. ratpoison? if not i'll just stick with nasty twm. |
| 09:59.46 | Dewi | wd: I don't know much about it; flux is the smallest I've used in the last few years |
| 09:59.46 | jim | fvwm is pretty small, I couldn't hang with twm |
| 09:59.59 | wd | Dewi: apt-get install -f finished.. nada. 0 all across. |
| 10:00.05 | Dewi | I hated fvwm, 10 years ago when I last used it :P |
| 10:00.18 | Dewi | wd: that's fine, it's just a "fix" command |
| 10:00.24 | wd | Dewi: yea i tried it. |
| 10:00.25 | Dewi | wd: sudo apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 10:00.30 | jim | I loved it... so it has a range |
| 10:00.30 | Dewi | wd: does that do anything? |
| 10:00.31 | wd | Dewi: k |
| 10:00.47 | Dewi | wd: if that doesn't help, try... |
| 10:01.01 | Dewi | wd: sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system-core |
| 10:01.10 | Dewi | wd: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:01.27 | Dewi | wd: only run these if it's still not working |
| 10:01.27 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-127-134-126.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at) |
| 10:01.54 | Dewi | wd: anyway I might wander off now, that's the most I can think of for you to try, and it's stabbing in the dark too because I'm not a big X user, particularly back before xorg.... |
| 10:02.09 | wd | E: Couldn't find package X-window-system-core |
| 10:02.15 | Dewi | wd: hmm, how odd |
| 10:02.21 | Dewi | wd: oh lose the capital X |
| 10:02.29 | Dewi | should be 'x' |
| 10:02.34 | *** join/#debian KaMa (n=kama@host9-119-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 10:02.41 | wd | x-window-system-core is already the newest version. |
| 10:02.49 | wd | i'm sshd into box.. i love it. |
| 10:02.53 | Dewi | okay, try some reconfigures |
| 10:03.09 | Dewi | um |
| 10:03.24 | Dewi | startx is going to run scripts to start your display environment |
| 10:03.31 | Dewi | if you've removed your last one, I'm not sure what it will do |
| 10:03.49 | Dewi | make sure you have fvwm or twm installed too, maybe try dpkg-reconfiguring them? |
| 10:04.06 | wd | k |
| 10:04.17 | Dewi | otherwise investigate the script startx uses, make sure it doesn't refer to something you've uninstalled |
| 10:04.27 | wd | k |
| 10:04.28 | Dewi | like if it's still trying to start fluxbox, maybe that's why X is immediately quitting... |
| 10:04.30 | jim | what happens when you just run X |
| 10:04.44 | wd | Dewi: no fluxbox now |
| 10:05.17 | wd | jim: i have console.. but when i type startx a grey screen comes up with the mouse and shuts off. |
| 10:05.37 | jim | not startx |
| 10:05.38 | jim | X |
| 10:05.42 | wd | jim: oh |
| 10:05.51 | jim | note it's capital |
| 10:06.13 | *** part/#debian CutMeOwnThroat (n=XXX@129.105.14.179) |
| 10:06.28 | *** join/#debian Olin (n=olin@billfernie.plus.com) |
| 10:06.47 | *** join/#debian Haris_ (n=Haris@116.71.171.32) |
| 10:07.01 | wd | jim: ok, X get's me grey screen with mouse but mouse click get me nanda.. no wm. |
| 10:07.26 | *** join/#debian acemi (n=acemi@unaffiliated/acemi) |
| 10:07.36 | ootput | joltcan: sorry the delayed response. basically i've obtained 8 gigs of ram (for free) and I would like to put them to good use |
| 10:07.40 | alain | jim: I filled the expand tilde bug #479155 |
| 10:07.43 | wd | *nada |
| 10:07.51 | ootput | joltcan: I don't do any sort of multimedia/graphic production |
| 10:08.13 | alain | jim: thanks for the help, bye |
| 10:08.19 | wd | jim: umm how do i shut down X just do alt f2? |
| 10:08.35 | *** join/#debian Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@216-53-82.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 10:08.37 | ceil420 | wish i got 8gigs ram for free :X |
| 10:08.54 | *** part/#debian alain (n=alain@unaffiliated/alain) |
| 10:10.02 | *** join/#debian Shisui (n=chris@AAmiens-152-1-39-204.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 10:10.18 | *** join/#debian sbeh (i=sbeh@serverstaff.de) |
| 10:10.35 | sbeh | hi, which package contains xauth? |
| 10:12.06 | jim | cxbase-clients |
| 10:12.14 | jim | xbase-clients |
| 10:12.24 | *** part/#debian sbeh (i=sbeh@serverstaff.de) |
| 10:12.30 | *** join/#debian visik7 (n=dksakd@unaffiliated/visik7) |
| 10:12.55 | wd | jim: apt-get install xbase-clients? |
| 10:13.24 | jim | <sbeh> hi, which package contains xauth? --> xbase-clients |
| 10:13.36 | jim | which isn't a bad thing to have |
| 10:13.52 | Dewi | wd: since X loads but startx doesn't work, it sounds like startx is trying to start a client like fluxbox, but failing |
| 10:14.17 | Dewi | wd: check something like... $(HOME)/.xinitrc |
| 10:14.26 | Dewi | wd: see if it starts something bad like fluxbox |
| 10:14.41 | jim | or .xsession |
| 10:14.46 | Dewi | yeah |
| 10:14.47 | Dewi | that too |
| 10:14.48 | wd | Dewi: #exec fvwm |
| 10:14.49 | wd | #exec fluxbox |
| 10:14.59 | Dewi | wd: any that are not commented out with # ? |
| 10:15.08 | wd | Dewi: no |
| 10:15.14 | Dewi | wd: uncomment the fvwm line |
| 10:15.18 | Dewi | wd: then try startx |
| 10:15.34 | Dewi | wd: uncomment means removed the # |
| 10:15.46 | jim | is that the default .xsession in sarge? |
| 10:16.19 | wd | Dewi: ok. |
| 10:16.24 | Dewi | jim: I would have thought package installations modified it... I imagine wd installed fvwm first, then fluxbox? But the removal of fluxbox commented out its exec, but did not restore fvwm ? |
| 10:16.28 | wd | jim: i thougt so.. .xinitrc |
| 10:16.29 | Dewi | jim: that is my guess anyway |
| 10:16.53 | Dewi | jim: I don't really know how it works |
| 10:17.13 | Dewi | but it sounds like startx is just pulling down X again because it has nothing to exec |
| 10:17.17 | jim | Dewi:hmm, that does appear to be happening, he just had to edit .xsession |
| 10:17.28 | jim | or which one did he edit? |
| 10:17.37 | *** join/#debian mbroeker (n=mbroeker@BADad59.bad.pppool.de) |
| 10:17.42 | *** join/#debian suppaman (n=suppa@213-156-49-141.fastres.net) |
| 10:17.44 | suppaman | hello |
| 10:18.09 | wd | $ ls -l |
| 10:18.09 | wd | total 1149 |
| 10:18.09 | wd | -rw------- 1 wd wd 1814528 2008-05-02 18:05 core |
| 10:18.20 | wd | oh crap where is my hidden |
| 10:18.27 | *** join/#debian comsa (n=Eddy@CPE-58-165-225-55.wa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 10:18.29 | *** join/#debian Yvonne (n=Yvonne@pdpc/supporter/active/Yvonne) |
| 10:18.30 | Dewi | wd: hidden needs ls -la |
| 10:18.34 | Dewi | wd: not ls -l |
| 10:18.41 | jim | they're hiding! |
| 10:18.51 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 10:18.54 | jim | hides pretty good, don't they? |
| 10:19.11 | wd | jim: lol |
| 10:19.36 | wd | Dewi: no .xsession.. just .xsession-errors |
| 10:19.56 | wd | Dewi: only .xinitrc |
| 10:19.59 | Dewi | wd: I thought you were going to uncomment the fvwm line in .xinitrc |
| 10:20.00 | jim | which could mean it's running the global XSsession |
| 10:20.10 | Dewi | wd: it seems like it should contain one 'exec' line |
| 10:20.19 | jim | which is... where is that thing... |
| 10:20.33 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.39 | jim | err |
| 10:20.43 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.48 | Dewi | jim: the startx man page doesn't mention the xsession files, only xinitrc and xserverrc |
| 10:20.55 | *** join/#debian djace (n=djace@224.Red-80-37-126.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:21.00 | Guerin | jim: welcome to our humble time, o traveller from the distant future |
| 10:21.39 | jim | the time when sarge was general and potato was specific? |
| 10:21.48 | WormFood | I'm a little confused....why would a dist-upgrade on sid remove stuff like gnome-core, xchat, abiword (for example), and not replace them with anything? do I need to wait a little longer for the packages to be updated before I dist-upgrade sid |
| 10:22.14 | Dewi | WormFood: why dist-upgrade sid? |
| 10:22.21 | WormFood | why not Dewi? |
| 10:22.35 | Guerin | WormFood: a dist-upgrade on sid can and frequently does do unreasonable things |
| 10:22.36 | WormFood | because that is the only way I know how to update some packages |
| 10:22.37 | suppaman | I'm launching vncserver at boot time using start-stop-daemon with "-S -c suppa -d /home/suppa" but the vncsession doesn't have my environment |
| 10:22.39 | Dewi | WormFood: are you upgrading to a new distro? |
| 10:22.44 | jim | so we take Dewi and dist-upgrade him?! |
| 10:22.50 | valdyn | WormFood: they get removed because dependencies are missing |
| 10:22.54 | Dewi | jim: it doesn't seem entirely fair :( |
| 10:22.57 | WormFood | ok, thanks valdyn |
| 10:22.59 | suppaman | actually urxvt is not loading .shrc |
| 10:23.09 | suppaman | any hint? |
| 10:23.10 | Dewi | WormFood: maybe try upgrade instead? |
| 10:23.13 | valdyn | WormFood: dist-upgrade is being renamed to full-upgrade because thats more reasonable a name |
| 10:23.18 | WormFood | Dewi, I've done that |
| 10:23.25 | valdyn | WormFood: see manpage - dist-upgrade can remove packages, upgrade cannot |
| 10:23.47 | Dewi | WormFood: isn't that enough? |
| 10:24.03 | Dewi | (I guess most sid users want software written next month) |
| 10:24.09 | valdyn | WormFood: the name fits the purpose only when you upgrade an old stable to a new stable |
| 10:24.19 | *** join/#debian pLk (n=rigob@p4FC41C29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:24.46 | Guerin | can someone explain to me why this eejit, who's manifestly not qualified to use Sid, isn't getting the ridicule he deserves? |
| 10:24.47 | Dewi | valdyn: it makes sense to me... if those packages are broken in current sid, and you upgrade your whole distro to that single point in time, they would not be there |
| 10:25.01 | WormFood | I frequently found some packages would always be held back, and never upgraded unless I did a dist-upgrade |
| 10:25.01 | Dewi | Guerin: I'm dishing out some light ridicule |
| 10:25.10 | *** join/#debian malwasanderes (n=mallock@p54843C47.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:25.19 | Dewi | Guerin: but you're more qualified for that than me, I think |
| 10:25.33 | Dewi | WormFood: could that be because they are broken in current? |
| 10:25.45 | Dewi | WormFood: I meant I don't really know for sure but it's sounding like that might be the case.... |
| 10:25.49 | WormFood | I was simply asking why |
| 10:26.07 | Dewi | well I guess it doesn't always mean they are broken |
| 10:26.21 | Dewi | it can also mean that getting from "here" to "there" requires more dramatic changes than normal |
| 10:26.59 | Dewi | I would suggest that if you're going to ride bleeding edge, use aptitude so you can preview everything that happens and get everything queued up all nice before proceeding... |
| 10:27.36 | Dewi | but then I'd also suggest not riding bleeding edge unless you already know these tricks |
| 10:27.37 | jim | if you ride bleeding edge, don't get cut too deeply |
| 10:27.55 | Dewi | in fact, I would suggest, ride bleeding edge in a freaking VM |
| 10:28.05 | Dewi | so you can go back to snapshot when it inevitably blows up! |
| 10:28.11 | dutchfish | mmm... it would be nice if there was something like bjorn.haxx.se/debian for sid .... |
| 10:28.25 | Dewi | hell perhaps even use the LVM snapshotting... could be fun |
| 10:28.30 | jim | soemhow, I'm not sure 32mb of ram would allow too many vms |
| 10:28.36 | *** part/#debian ere4si (n=si@202.134.248.211) |
| 10:28.39 | wd | Dewi: took fvwm out or .xinitrc, startx message.. "/home/user/.xinitrc: line 1: exec: fvwm: not found. |
| 10:28.39 | *** join/#debian xenonex (n=xenonex@89.218.236.171) |
| 10:28.51 | Dewi | wd: sudo apt-get install fvwm ? |
| 10:28.54 | wd | Dewi: i mean i uncoment fvwm. |
| 10:28.56 | Dewi | grins. |
| 10:29.03 | Guerin | dutchfish: there can't be, since there's no determinism to what goes into sid |
| 10:29.15 | dutchfish | Guerin, exactly my point |
| 10:29.19 | *** join/#debian w3rd_ (n=w3rd_@75.144.244.222) |
| 10:29.24 | Dewi | Guerin: bjorn, why isn't X22 in sid yet?!?!?! |
| 10:29.33 | dutchfish | Guerin, what about expirimental -> sid |
| 10:29.39 | *** join/#debian jberg (n=johan@215.80-203-18.nextgentel.com) |
| 10:29.40 | *** join/#debian tombs (n=nyhc@ip565e4a39.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 10:29.47 | jim | oh, hey, you stole my typo! |
| 10:29.52 | Guerin | Dewi: because jim didn't bring a copy back from the future with him |
| 10:29.54 | *** join/#debian xenonex (n=xenonex@89.218.236.171) |
| 10:29.59 | Dewi | Guerin: unacceptable! |
| 10:30.06 | Guerin | Dewi: no determinism there either |
| 10:30.15 | jim | which is why I went forward.... |
| 10:30.20 | jim | into the past |
| 10:30.29 | dutchfish | Guerin, no, my error forget it |
| 10:30.35 | Guerin | Dewi: in fairness, he can't bring anything back with him, so now he has to rewrite it from memory |
| 10:30.51 | *** join/#debian Piet (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) |
| 10:31.10 | *** join/#debian xenonex (n=xenonex@89.218.236.171) |
| 10:31.53 | *** join/#debian edico (i=fenrir@unaffiliated/edico) |
| 10:32.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 807] by debhelper |
| 10:32.28 | WormFood | I thought when you went back in time, your memory got erased too |
| 10:33.01 | Guerin | if that were so, how would anyone know they'd gone back in time? |
| 10:33.02 | xingu | WormFood: not if you travel in a delorean evidently |
| 10:33.03 | *** join/#debian zophy (n=sy@host-76-161-220-24.midco.net) |
| 10:33.06 | dutchfish | WormFood, it depends if you believe in the ghost in the machine, or electrical nerv sigs |
| 10:33.30 | *** join/#debian XTZGZoReX (i=xtzgzore@0x3e42c894.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 10:34.04 | *** join/#debian Waxhead (n=SirHiss@ti311110a080-4601.bb.online.no) |
| 10:34.18 | wd | Dewi: fvwm finished install |
| 10:35.02 | Dewi | wd: try startx |
| 10:35.19 | dutchfish | xingu, apperently at least they dont oxidize (the car) ;) |
| 10:36.04 | Dewi | never understood the "time travel inside your own body" concept |
| 10:36.35 | dutchfish | is not clear if me will be me after the expiriment |
| 10:36.53 | wd | Dewi: success |
| 10:36.58 | Dewi | wd: excellent |
| 10:37.04 | jim | yay |
| 10:37.16 | Dewi | cookies all round |
| 10:37.34 | wd | Dewi: now how do i close a box. there's no x button.. haha |
| 10:37.36 | dutchfish | !coffee Dewi |
| 10:37.36 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of Jamaican Blue Mountain for Dewi, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 10:37.37 | *** join/#debian dokma (n=chatzill@83-131-47-3.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 10:37.45 | *** part/#debian dokma (n=chatzill@83-131-47-3.adsl.net.t-com.hr) |
| 10:37.49 | jim | you would have to shrink yourself AND go in a time machine too... all pretty electrical seeming... |
| 10:38.19 | Dewi | w00t |
| 10:38.25 | *** join/#debian blubberdiblub (i=foobar@dslb-088-074-086-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 10:38.41 | jim | but if you shrink yourself how would you inject into yourself... you're already smaller |
| 10:38.55 | Dewi | dutchfish: although I had a "mega coffee" earlier, it was basically a soup bowl full of coffee, and I asked for additional shots, so you may be about to kill me.... |
| 10:39.05 | jim | ponders this for the rest of |
| 10:39.08 | jim | this second |
| 10:39.23 | dutchfish | Dewi, as long as you dont get trmors, you will be fine ;) |
| 10:39.34 | dutchfish | s/trmors/tremors |
| 10:39.35 | *** join/#debian Songtao (n=action@222.131.161.136) |
| 10:39.37 | Dewi | dutchfish: that's how I type |
| 10:39.56 | dutchfish | curses his stiff fingers |
| 10:40.04 | xingu | you need an improbability drive, and a really strong cup of tea |
| 10:41.14 | *** join/#debian Cobra^^ (n=aa@Ua4db.u.pppool.de) |
| 10:41.24 | *** join/#debian bzsa (n=bzsa@88.132.3.177) |
| 10:42.05 | dutchfish | well, gravity is only time-bending after all, nothing to do with electricity |
| 10:42.07 | wd | thank you all very much.. i've achieved alot with deb.. forgive me i'm coming from gentoo and some terms and paths are diff but i'm impressed. |
| 10:42.31 | *** join/#debian Songtao (n=action@222.131.161.136) |
| 10:43.09 | wd | debian got my oldworld nubus mac and and old toshiba satellite.. gentoo couldn't, i'm really impressed. |
| 10:43.18 | *** join/#debian agnitio_ (n=magnus@h-91-126-123-244.wholesale.rp80.se) |
| 10:43.21 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 10:43.21 | dpkg | methinks debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 10:44.04 | wd | Dewi: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=19915&highlight=powerbook+1400... |
| 10:44.08 | wd | jim: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=19915&highlight=powerbook+1400... |
| 10:44.15 | wd | that's what i went through. |
| 10:44.20 | ceil420 | who's in charge of "apt-cache show" information? apt or debian? :o |
| 10:44.21 | Dewi | !whydebian |
| 10:44.22 | dpkg | whydebian is, like, because http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian, http://ext2.org/99/02/imoore2.html, http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/, http://twiki.iwethey.org/Main/WhyDebianRocks |
| 10:44.26 | ceil420 | i want info on mpd-client :x |
| 10:44.37 | Dewi | ceil420: apt is part of debian |
| 10:44.49 | ceil420 | ceil@mainframe:~$ apt-cache show mpd-client |
| 10:44.49 | ceil420 | ceil@mainframe:~$ |
| 10:44.57 | ceil420 | am i the only one with no info on that package? |
| 10:45.02 | ceil420 | (showpkg does show stuff) |
| 10:45.07 | wd | Dewi: can u imagine compiling everything on these old boxes.. haha. |
| 10:45.20 | Dewi | ceil420: I dunno why that is |
| 10:45.23 | Dewi | ceil420: same for me |
| 10:45.24 | ceil420 | :( |
| 10:45.30 | ceil420 | googles |
| 10:45.46 | ceil420 | thanks for checkin' |
| 10:45.54 | *** part/#debian Waxhead (n=SirHiss@ti311110a080-4601.bb.online.no) |
| 10:46.41 | *** join/#debian w3rd_ (n=w3rd_@75.144.244.222) |
| 10:46.49 | ceil420 | heh it's not even listed on www.musicpd.org/clients.shtml |
| 10:47.09 | ceil420 | s'pose i could look into mpc; it actually came with mpd |
| 10:47.30 | xingu | wd: one of the biggest headaches on systems that old is that the memory bus has all the grunt of a ti99/4a |
| 10:47.34 | *** join/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 10:47.48 | ceil420 | i have 512mb of 133mhz RAM :) |
| 10:47.52 | xingu | wd: and things like modern window managers really hoover up your backplane |
| 10:47.57 | wd | xingu: yea |
| 10:48.24 | xingu | wd: it's not always cpu-constrained, if you need to chuck around a 24bit visual quite often the bottleneck is just _memory_ bus, pure and simple. |
| 10:48.39 | diabel- | Hi, I've delete my /dev/null, how to create them? |
| 10:48.40 | xingu | wd: it should motor along on a 4bit greyscale visual |
| 10:49.09 | wd | xingu: really i have 15bit.. |
| 10:49.16 | ceil420 | i didn't know you could delete /dev/null |
| 10:49.37 | xingu | wd: sure, but try your luck in greyscale |
| 10:49.44 | xingu | wd: ie, at 4bpp |
| 10:50.28 | xingu | wd: even a 15bpp visual is going to result in serious burn - doubly so unless your WM is a bit clever about how it uses DAMAGE extn |
| 10:50.29 | *** join/#debian jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) |
| 10:50.42 | Dewi | ceil420: I tried to output to /dev/null once and replaced it with a normal file! |
| 10:50.48 | *** join/#debian Songtao (n=action@222.131.161.136) |
| 10:50.50 | Dewi | ceil420: can't remember what program did that, it was kind of upsetting |
| 10:50.56 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (n=Count_fu@unaffiliated/charminthemoose) |
| 10:51.00 | jim | ceil420: it's kinda like moving /dev/null to itself... |
| 10:51.08 | ceil420 | lol |
| 10:51.10 | xingu | wd: that's one of the reasons why 2d-accel framebuffers were so exciting back in the day - it moved bitblt off the backplane entirely |
| 10:51.33 | wd | xingu: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=19915&highlight=powerbook+1400... |
| 10:51.40 | wd | xingu: i'm working with this |
| 10:51.44 | xingu | wd: but it still doesn't help things like font rendering etc |
| 10:51.54 | xingu | wd: sure, I'm reading, hence the comment... |
| 10:51.56 | *** join/#debian mbroeker (n=mbroeker@BADad59.bad.pppool.de) |
| 10:51.59 | wd | xingu: :) |
| 10:52.02 | mbroeker | #linux |
| 10:52.17 | Dewi | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:52.18 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 10:52.21 | Dewi | heh |
| 10:52.45 | *** join/#debian Songtao (n=action@222.131.161.136) |
| 10:52.49 | mbroeker | Dewi, i know, i need a new channel script |
| 10:52.59 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 10:53.21 | *** join/#debian Songtao (n=action@222.131.161.136) |
| 10:53.30 | Dewi | mbroeker: did you do the same thing as me a few seconds before? how odd |
| 10:53.50 | *** join/#debian Songtao (n=action@222.131.161.136) |
| 10:54.02 | *** join/#debian craig (n=craigevi@114.64.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) |
| 10:54.21 | *** join/#debian Menschensohn (n=Menschen@p54863E49.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 10:54.21 | *** join/#debian rpedro__ (n=rpedro@87-196-11-71.net.novis.pt) |
| 10:54.43 | mbroeker | it's the daily procedure: starting xchat and joining 3 channels. i have 3 failures a week... |
| 10:54.45 | *** join/#debian DexterF (n=dexter@ip-78-94-188-254.PH-1511G-BSR64K-04.ish.de) |
| 10:54.51 | DexterF | hi |
| 10:55.00 | *** join/#debian _cbr (n=cbr@84-50-135-124-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) |
| 10:55.10 | *** join/#debian twobitwo1k (n=isaac@nat/ibm/x-9ac2263df90f4f2c) |
| 10:55.11 | *** join/#debian flart_ (n=flart@atommuell.mum.jku.at) |
| 10:55.32 | *** join/#debian ofer (n=ofer0x@unaffiliated/ofer0) |
| 10:55.34 | *** join/#debian orveldv_ (i=orveldv@85.214.22.8) |
| 10:55.35 | *** join/#debian googlah_ (n=googlah@c-1c2a70d5.02-1-756d6513.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 10:55.41 | *** join/#debian Kevin`_ (n=kevin@etmalec.net) |
| 10:55.44 | Dewi | mbroeker: use a client with autojoin :P |
| 10:56.54 | mbroeker | Dewi, you are responsible for the netsplit. :) |
| 10:57.00 | *** join/#debian vyrus001 (n=vyrus001@adsl-69-231-68-166.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.00 | *** join/#debian t0h (i=tommi@dsl-kvlbrasgw2-fe0cdf00-1.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 10:57.00 | jim | mbroeker: because he's the only adult at this party? |
| 10:57.00 | ootput | joltcan: sorry the delayed response. basically i've obtained 8 gigs of ram (for free) and I would like to put them to good use |
| 10:57.08 | ootput | have any of you implemented ramdisk on your desktop systems? I can understand their usage in servers, but for desktop use, what else could I use it for besides temp internet files? |
| 10:57.17 | *** join/#debian tt1 (n=tt1@58.4.29.59) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.21 | mbroeker | jim, it is not wise to enter autoj.o.i.n in irc :) |
| 10:57.23 | *** join/#debian troubled (n=troubled@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/troubled) |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian q-tip (n=simon@dc5147a6cd.adsl.wanadoo.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian Rothgar (n=admin@ppp201-15.static.internode.on.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian KaMa (n=kama@host9-119-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian engla (n=ulrik@wikipedia/Sverdrup) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian Fox_1_ (n=Vardan@91.103.31.146) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian format_c (n=format_c@p57A71AEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian valdyn (n=valdyn@valdyn.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian Fersure (i=Maybe@unaffiliated/fersure) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian _croPe|off_ (n=Miranda@p54ABE6D6.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian BaD-Laptop (n=john@c-67-171-0-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian HellTiger_ (n=HellTige@p5B0CF372.dip.t-dialin.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian somnorosul (i=somnoros@194.116.201.52) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian Pulpie (n=james@c-71-231-153-57.hsd1.or.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian jakeisawake (n=jake@c-98-223-49-254.hsd1.in.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian mavhk (n=mavhc@cpc1-basf7-0-0-cust298.nott.cable.ntl.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (n=marcus@dslc-082-082-132-094.pools.arcor-ip.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian Jonbo (n=Jonbo123@adsl-068-209-082-227.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian cjns3274 (n=weechat@ool-45702981.dyn.optonline.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.34 | *** join/#debian erxz_paste (n=pastebot@erxz.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.35 | *** join/#debian battlemidget (n=battlemi@cpe-075-177-132-072.nc.res.rr.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.35 | *** join/#debian kakado_ (n=kakado@unaffiliated/kakado) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.35 | *** join/#debian Dibbler_ (n=Dibbler@87-194-103-72.bethere.co.uk) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.35 | *** join/#debian Pulelehua_ (n=me@unaffiliated/pulelehua) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.35 | *** join/#debian Asad2005 (n=hardy64@83.136.62.82) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.35 | *** join/#debian guk (i=chris@solosoft.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian vjt (i=vjt@openssl.it) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian mquin (n=mike@pdpc/supporter/active/mquin) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian ravenbird (i=ravenbir@unaffiliated/simonrvn/bot/ravenbird) |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian Snadder (i=sander@062016180203.customer.alfanett.no) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian pngwn (i=pngwn@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian NickPresta (n=nickpres@CPE001c102604d4-CM0011e6c456e3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian cycom (n=mark@c-71-235-43-245.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian drcode_ (n=root@85.65.12.156.dynamic.barak-online.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian [nix] (n=[h4x0r]@c-76-107-4-61.hsd1.la.comcast.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian rage (n=rage@202.61.134.124) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craigevi@114.64.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian mx (n=ass@189.160.47.137) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian bond` (n=stromber@schadensregulierung.strombose.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian tomaw (i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw) |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian Caino (n=Caino@host196-171-dynamic.32-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian GhostInTheShell (n=melkor@melkor.ddns-lan.pl.ekk.bg) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian kingsley (n=kingsley@ipv4-198-182-208-24.openaccess.org) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian LjL (n=ljl@ubuntu/member/ljl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian the-dude (n=the-dude@senturparks.xs4all.nl) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian nikro (i=Nikro@serveroase.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian TerminX (i=3232016d@adsl-68-122-2-194.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian vaq (n=xaafwa@vaq/unaffiliated) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian vlt (n=dm@suez.activ-job.com) |
| 10:57.36 | *** join/#debian dimir (n=dimir@159.148.229.161) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.37 | *** join/#debian Daviey (n=dave@ubuntu/member/daviey) |
| 10:57.37 | *** join/#debian itchi (n=David@unaffiliated/itchi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.37 | *** join/#debian Scurz (n=sfantar@2a01:e0b:1:18:240:63ff:fee4:6b1a) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.37 | *** join/#debian Catsceo (n=RULER@pool-71-251-80-88.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.37 | *** join/#debian Bhaal (i=bhaal@freenode/staff-emeritus/bhaal) |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian mrfan (n=brizio@lugbari/people/mrfan) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian blop (i=blop@2a01:38:800e:0:201:6cff:fe2a:8f7b) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian kalila (n=kalila@79-67-61-38.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian thnee (n=thnee@holly.bsnet.se) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian frankie (n=nnfranki@lugbari/people/frankie) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian xedasx (n=xedasx@unaffiliated/cryndes) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian timonator (n=timonato@cl-2290.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian rmichel (n=rmichel@cl-2139.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian faitz (i=f4ith@astray.fragstore.net) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian mrec (n=mrec@carstoponline.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian ferret (n=ferret@gentoo/user/ferret) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian cb (i=cb@transgaming.de) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian Trevie (i=trevie@69.16.140.180) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 10:57.38 | *** join/#debian vlt_ (n=dm@suez.activ-job.com) |
| 10:57.40 | *** join/#debian thnee_ (n=thnee@holly.bsnet.se) |
| 10:57.40 | mbroeker | :) |
| 10:57.44 | hoxu | mbroeker, how so? |
| 10:57.44 | jim | yO! |
| 10:58.29 | *** join/#debian binseer (n=binseer@121.247.149.5) |
| 11:00.10 | *** join/#debian Suprano (i=suprano@pD95640CF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:00.20 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 11:00.33 | *** join/#debian Givvade (n=Givvade@dslc-082-082-095-190.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:00.46 | *** join/#debian muh2000 (n=muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000) |
| 11:00.59 | *** join/#debian jivco (n=jivco@85.187.217.6) |
| 11:01.23 | DexterF | the mdadm-raid links from my rc directories disappears after reconfing the mdadm package - why? |
| 11:01.39 | DexterF | I set it to run those, so they should be in rcX.d I guess |
| 11:01.57 | *** join/#debian dbmoodb (n=david@203-158-56-8.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 11:02.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 817] by debhelper |
| 11:02.14 | *** join/#debian gonzaloaf_work (n=gonzaloa@64.76.110.195) |
| 11:03.31 | *** join/#debian lwt (n=lwt@58.61.42.100) |
| 11:04.42 | jescis | Hello, is there a site that can tell me how to get a frame buffer to be created? |
| 11:05.19 | dbmoodb | oh ah... interesting |
| 11:05.28 | dutchfish | jescis, you mean programatically in c ? |
| 11:05.33 | dbmoodb | what exactly are you looking to do jescis |
| 11:05.39 | *** join/#debian NekoKun (n=sid@189.11.132.219) |
| 11:06.01 | *** join/#debian mosno (n=mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) |
| 11:06.25 | jescis | to get graphics displayed in ttyx |
| 11:06.42 | jescis | x = unknown |
| 11:06.52 | NekoKun | http://pastebin.com/d705c6d7b Does anyone have any idea about what to do? |
| 11:06.55 | *** join/#debian malifal (n=malifal@86.108.34.122) |
| 11:07.51 | malifal | anyone here experiencing a ridiculous amount of crashing by iceweasel? |
| 11:07.54 | dutchfish | jescis, svgalib-bin source |
| 11:08.00 | malifal | iceweasel |
| 11:08.23 | malifal | it's almost unusable |
| 11:08.31 | Guerin | malifal: uninstall all your plugins, flash and java - it'll be fine |
| 11:08.32 | dutchfish | !info svgalib-bin etch |
| 11:08.35 | NekoKun | malifal: I did... after getting the correct flash plugin it stopped |
| 11:08.53 | Guerin | malifal: then add them back in one by one until you find the one which is fucking things up |
| 11:08.55 | dpkg | svgalib-bin: (console SVGA display utilities), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1:1.4.3-24 (etch), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 172 kB |
| 11:09.25 | NekoKun | malifal: Did you added a flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound ? |
| 11:10.06 | malifal | hello, what's wrong with xchat!!!! its trimming the replies!! |
| 11:10.07 | *** part/#debian dbmoodb (n=david@unaffiliated/dbmoodb) |
| 11:10.13 | *** join/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 11:10.28 | malifal | NekoKun: I have flashplayer-mozilla package, something like that |
| 11:10.29 | *** join/#debian shmho (n=user@58.142.35.171) |
| 11:10.44 | *** part/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 11:11.05 | malifal | fuckit i'm switching back to fedora, debian blows |
| 11:11.08 | malifal | bye all |
| 11:11.11 | *** part/#debian malifal (n=malifal@86.108.34.122) |
| 11:11.12 | NekoKun | malifal: mmm... Im affraid that this one is weird too |
| 11:11.19 | jescis | dutchfish, So, now that's install. Now what? |
| 11:11.28 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 11:11.35 | *** join/#debian spacix (i=spacix@a62-251-79-239.adsl.xs4all.nl) |
| 11:11.40 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 11:11.50 | dutchfish | jescis, use it, ehe, read though the source, depending what you need |
| 11:11.52 | *** join/#debian nascentmind (i=nascentm@124.125.213.240) |
| 11:11.52 | spacix | Does anyone know what the fastest way is to generate a md5 hash out of a pass that I specify? |
| 11:11.55 | nascentmind | hi |
| 11:12.01 | *** join/#debian Davo_Dinkum (n=DavoDink@c220-237-139-183.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 11:12.06 | nascentmind | how do i switch from debian stable to testing? |
| 11:12.15 | *** join/#debian Dark_Apostrophe (n=darkapos@217-33-211.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 11:12.21 | NekoKun | http://pastebin.com/d705c6d7b Does anyone have any idea about what to do? |
| 11:12.21 | Guerin | nascentmind: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 11:12.22 | Davo_Dinkum | how can i import my iceweasel bookmarks into epiphany? |
| 11:12.23 | *** join/#debian danand (n=empgdjh@91.106.151.223) |
| 11:12.29 | *** join/#debian Mash__ (n=Mash@p5B12EE7A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:12.40 | Guerin | danand: ask #epiphany |
| 11:12.45 | dutchfish | jescis, it has nice manpages too ;) |
| 11:12.47 | Guerin | Davo_Dinkum: ^ |
| 11:12.47 | Davo_Dinkum | i did |
| 11:12.59 | Davo_Dinkum | very quiet there |
| 11:13.04 | nascentmind | Guerin, i didn't get you |
| 11:13.22 | Guerin | NekoKun: what branch of debian? |
| 11:13.33 | Guerin | nascentmind: just type that into your irc client |
| 11:13.52 | NekoKun | Guerin: sid or lenny... Im not used with this names yet |
| 11:13.59 | *** join/#debian mirak (n=mirak@m179.net81-66-123.noos.fr) |
| 11:14.24 | Guerin | NekoKun: If you don't know what branch you're running, nobody is going to help you. Check the BTS in any case. |
| 11:15.06 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 11:15.28 | NekoKun | Guerin: Im using a testing version made for EeePC. I'm new with Debian. What is the bts? |
| 11:15.52 | Guerin | NekoKun: it's not debian, then. Ask some eepc folk to help you. |
| 11:15.57 | jescis | dutchfish, I typed man svgalib then svgalib-bin, and it say's there is none :/ |
| 11:16.10 | Guerin | NekoKun: either that, or install debian |
| 11:16.18 | NekoKun | It is not Xandros... its a real Debian netinst with eeepc drivers |
| 11:16.19 | jescis | is such a linux noob :( |
| 11:16.36 | *** join/#debian jayaraj (n=jayaraj@121.247.149.5) |
| 11:16.45 | nascentmind | Guerin, I don't have anything written as stable in my sources.list. does apt take stable automatically? |
| 11:16.51 | *** join/#debian ootput (n=ootput@unaffiliated/ootput) |
| 11:17.24 | *** part/#debian danand (n=empgdjh@91.106.151.223) |
| 11:17.36 | NekoKun | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.39 | Guerin | nascentmind: no, it takes the most recent what's in your sources.list, unless you configure it otherwise |
| 11:17.44 | dutchfish | jescis, /usr/share/doc/libsvga1/README.lrmi and /usr/share/man/man1/ (gz) |
| 11:17.56 | Bushmills | Davo_Dinkum: there is a bookmark converter, i forgot the name, but you can also simply bookmark the iceweasel bookmarks file which is a html file. i.e. browser readable |
| 11:18.07 | NekoKun | Guerin: Seem to be Lenny |
| 11:18.09 | *** join/#debian crazyfrog (n=crazyfro@119.4.4.245) |
| 11:18.10 | dutchfish | jescis, i not gona walk you through, its well documented |
| 11:18.20 | nascentmind | Guerin, i don't have any word called stable in my sources.list but i have the word etch |
| 11:18.20 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 11:18.27 | nascentmind | Guerin, is it ok? |
| 11:18.28 | Guerin | NekoKun: /msg dpkg bts. Did you install debian yourself? And if so, from what media |
| 11:18.32 | *** join/#debian kakado (n=kakado@2803ds1-van.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 11:18.32 | Guerin | NekoKun: etch = stable |
| 11:18.35 | Davo_Dinkum | ok thanks Bushmills |
| 11:18.42 | Guerin | nascentmind: in this case, etch = stable |
| 11:18.46 | Bushmills | sits in your profile directory |
| 11:18.52 | nascentmind | Guerin, ok.. thanks |
| 11:19.02 | Bushmills | under ~/.mozilla/firefox/... |
| 11:19.12 | nascentmind | Guerin, changed etch to lenny.. lemme see what happens after the upgrade. |
| 11:19.17 | NekoKun | Guerin: As I said, from a Debian package to put a real debian in EeePC |
| 11:19.19 | format_c | Is there to draw math functions in a graph |
| 11:19.24 | format_c | like on MacOS |
| 11:19.29 | jescis | dutchfish, I understand. I did find it on the debian package site |
| 11:19.39 | dutchfish | jescis, good luck |
| 11:19.46 | *** join/#debian NickPresta (n=nickpres@CPE001c102604d4-CM0011e6c456e3.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 11:19.49 | jescis | thanks |
| 11:20.01 | dutchfish | yw |
| 11:20.01 | format_c | hoops not a sentence |
| 11:20.18 | nascentmind | Guerin, i have etch backports.. should i change to lenny? |
| 11:20.28 | format_c | Want to know if there is a program that draws graphs based on math functions |
| 11:20.35 | Guerin | nascentmind: read the install guide before proceeding |
| 11:20.37 | *** join/#debian grand_gr1nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-62-195.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:20.39 | Guerin | nascentmind: /msg dpkg ig |
| 11:20.48 | Guerin | format_c: ask google |
| 11:20.59 | *** join/#debian ben_goodger (n=ben@host217-42-221-117.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:21.02 | Guerin | NekoKun: i'm not sure I believe you |
| 11:21.11 | NekoKun | ok |
| 11:21.17 | lastnode | format_c: apt-cache search, and google is your friend |
| 11:21.22 | lastnode | *are your friends |
| 11:21.34 | *** join/#debian dolphin_noel (n=opensour@85.138.86.180) |
| 11:21.38 | NekoKun | http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 11:21.47 | *** join/#debian pgpkeys (i=pgpkeys@neuron.subneural.net) |
| 11:21.49 | *** join/#debian re1 (n=rreepp@AMontpellier-257-1-7-132.w86-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:21.50 | NekoKun | go there... checkout 'xandros'... |
| 11:21.50 | dutchfish | format_c, there are tons of them |
| 11:22.10 | *** join/#debian xlotlu (n=john@92.80.198.103) |
| 11:22.32 | Guerin | NekoKun: thanks. Seems legit. Good luck with that, y'all. |
| 11:22.35 | dutchfish | format_c, apt-cache search graphs (it depend son your needs) |
| 11:22.40 | *** join/#debian Arelis (n=arelis@195-241-90-109.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 11:22.40 | Arelis | How do i connect an external monitor to my laptop with an Intel 855M video card? |
| 11:22.55 | Guerin | Arelis: plug it in, reboot |
| 11:23.06 | Arelis | Guerin, i should rebot? |
| 11:23.07 | Arelis | reboot* |
| 11:23.09 | Guerin | Arelis: you may have to fuck with the bios, but it's nothing much to do with your OS |
| 11:23.14 | *** join/#debian P_Kable (n=P_Kable@ip68-228-32-205.tc.ph.cox.net) |
| 11:23.17 | NekoKun | Guerin: That's it? |
| 11:23.22 | Guerin | Arelis: yes, video devics are initialised at boot time |
| 11:23.24 | nascentmind | Guerin, so there is no backports for lenny right since its testing? |
| 11:23.34 | Guerin | nascentmind: right. |
| 11:23.35 | Dewi | nascentmind: indeed |
| 11:23.36 | *** join/#debian Knoedel2 (n=knoedel@p5B00EB11.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:23.40 | jim | Arelis: you need a psychic interface for that... or just plug a monitor cable into the back of the laptop in the appropriate port |
| 11:23.42 | Arelis | Guerin, so that's why it doesn't work? i should just reboot? |
| 11:23.43 | Guerin | NekoKun: what's it? |
| 11:23.46 | *** part/#debian Knoedel2 (n=knoedel@p5B00EB11.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:23.46 | Arelis | jim, I did. |
| 11:23.49 | nascentmind | Guerin, so i will remove the line |
| 11:23.50 | Arelis | jim, now what? |
| 11:23.51 | Guerin | Arelis: that's probably it. |
| 11:24.04 | NekoKun | Guerin: Nevermind... thanks for wasting my time |
| 11:24.05 | Arelis | Guerin, Okay. i'll be back if it doesn't work |
| 11:24.06 | format_c | mh ok will search in the net. |
| 11:24.15 | format_c | Thought there is a ultimate one |
| 11:24.21 | jim | there might be a key sequence to switch to the external |
| 11:24.26 | Guerin | NekoKun: wtf. I'm wasting YOUR time, when you haven't checked the BTS for your error? |
| 11:24.34 | *** join/#debian pabs3 (n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au) |
| 11:24.57 | dutchfish | format_c, there are many some very specific |
| 11:25.37 | multi_io | http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~klischat/aptitude-hell.txt |
| 11:25.44 | Guerin | NekoKun: by the look of that error, the package is malformed - leading me to suspect it's not a legit debian package. However it seems to be one - so its faults are likely documented on the BTS. Failing that, you'll have to just troubleshoot the install script yourself. |
| 11:25.54 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 11:26.19 | *** join/#debian Ogedei (n=user@ip503c4d9b.speed.planet.nl) |
| 11:26.49 | Dewi | Guerin: have you finished doing my homework yet? |
| 11:27.02 | ootput | how often is /tmp utilised? |
| 11:27.05 | Guerin | Dewi: my dog ate it |
| 11:27.12 | Guerin | ootput: whenever it needs to be |
| 11:27.17 | Dewi | Guerin: unacceptable! |
| 11:27.28 | Guerin | Dewi: especially since I don't have a dog. |
| 11:28.02 | NekoKun | Weird that it came with mysql O.o |
| 11:28.11 | ceil420 | lol |
| 11:28.17 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 11:28.18 | Ogedei | What is the recommended way of installing opera on debian? By hand, or is there a deb source somewhere? |
| 11:28.34 | ceil420 | apt-cache show opera |
| 11:28.39 | Guerin | Ogedei: the recommended method is to not do so at all |
| 11:28.44 | ceil420 | (if it's there, apt-get install it) |
| 11:28.48 | ceil420 | Guerin, that too :) |
| 11:29.23 | *** join/#debian jazz__ (n=csegui@vaala.mine.nu) |
| 11:29.30 | Dewi | multi_io: um |
| 11:29.38 | Dewi | multi_io: where are you getting this hplip from? |
| 11:29.52 | Ogedei | ceil420: doesn't seem to appear in non-free. Guerin: not the answer i was looking for today |
| 11:29.59 | ootput | in permissions, what does 't' stand for? |
| 11:30.06 | ootput | i've noticed it is used for /tmp |
| 11:30.08 | *** join/#debian Arelis (n=arelis@195-241-90-109.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 11:30.12 | *** join/#debian archipunk (n=archipun@36.160.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 11:30.19 | Arelis | Who was the one helping me with dual screens again? |
| 11:30.23 | ceil420 | Ogedei, no skin off my sack. I don't even like Opera. check www.opera.com for a .deb package or source code |
| 11:30.34 | Arelis | Guerin, ah, found you |
| 11:30.47 | Dewi | Guerin: you need to hide better |
| 11:31.02 | *** join/#debian smica (n=smica@pool156-212.cable.tolna.net) |
| 11:31.10 | Arelis | Guerin, It kind of works.. it sees my external monitor as the main screen, and the laptop screen goes white in a really weird way, and it says it runs at 1543hz or something.. that's bad? |
| 11:31.15 | ben_goodger | hello. can anyone please help me with grub2? it refuses to boot windows on the grounds that it cannot find (hd0,0) which ought to be sda1, while it has no trouble with (hd0,1) which is sda2 and my linux root |
| 11:31.16 | Guerin | Ogedei: i think most people use the crappy opera-built deb packages, but you get to keep all the bits if they fuck your system up, which they probably will |
| 11:31.47 | Guerin | Arelis: you've hit the limit of my knowledge about such things |
| 11:31.53 | Dewi | multi_io: to use that version of hplip you need to upgrade python |
| 11:31.58 | multi_io | Dewi: I have testing and unstable configured as package sources |
| 11:32.07 | Dewi | multi_io: it needs python (>= 2.4.4~c1) |
| 11:32.29 | Guerin | ben_goodger: ask the grub2 devs |
| 11:32.40 | Guerin | ben_goodger: i'm sure you realise it's still not very mature |
| 11:32.49 | *** join/#debian UnFred (n=UnFred@76-10-189-27.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 11:32.49 | Dewi | multi_io: it sounds like it can't find it, or it's pinned to not install automatically |
| 11:32.53 | ceil420 | i didn't know there was a grub2 |
| 11:32.54 | Bushmills | ootput: means "restricted deletion" |
| 11:33.07 | ceil420 | grub installation fucked up twice for me, so i'm on lilo now <_< |
| 11:33.23 | ootput | Bushmills: ah, i found mention of it in chmod. thanks |
| 11:33.28 | Bushmills | ootput: used potentially often. every process which needs to write temp data may use it |
| 11:33.37 | dutchfish | grub != grub2 |
| 11:33.44 | multi_io | Dewi: For what version of hplip? 1.6.10-4.2+lenny1 or 2.8.2-1? |
| 11:33.52 | Dewi | multi_io: 2.8, the one you wanted |
| 11:34.06 | Dewi | multi_io: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/hplip |
| 11:34.11 | Guerin | yeah, grub2 is as different grom grub as winme and win2k |
| 11:34.31 | ceil420 | heh |
| 11:34.33 | ben_goodger | dutchfish: I realise this. the irritating thing is the lack of any documentation whatsoever to back up my vague suspicion that I can put /dev/sda2 instead of (hd0,0), the latter being what debian's installer put for me |
| 11:34.36 | multi_io | But in the end it suggested to just install 1.6.10-4.2+lenny1, which I accepted. Why didn't it do that then? |
| 11:34.41 | Dewi | Guerin: you mean they both suck but one sucks less? |
| 11:34.42 | *** join/#debian Arron (n=as@f051078088.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:34.48 | Arron | hello all |
| 11:35.11 | Guerin | Dewi: hm, maybe not a good example. |
| 11:35.15 | *** join/#debian OncrAckz (n=ircap751@89.130.104.214) |
| 11:35.17 | dutchfish | ben_goodger, the installer for lenny is in it child state atm, so be patient or use plain old grub |
| 11:35.29 | Dewi | ben_goodger: um |
| 11:35.37 | Dewi | ben_goodger: something even better which worked for me - ext3 labels |
| 11:35.46 | Dewi | ben_goodger: really independant of the probe order then |
| 11:35.49 | Guerin | -> z |
| 11:35.50 | Arron | I'm searching a windows manager for tilling several windows on the desktop. Has anyone an idea? |
| 11:35.53 | multi_io | (I know that aptitude tells me to upgrade python if I insist on installing hplip 2.8.2-1, but going doen that path results in yet another aptitude hell :-P |
| 11:36.08 | ben_goodger | Dewi: thanks...I will keep that in mind when using ext3 |
| 11:36.10 | Davo_Dinkum | Arron: ratpoison? |
| 11:36.21 | Guerin | Arron: google tiling window manager or see xwinman.org |
| 11:36.29 | Guerin | ratpoinson doesn't tile |
| 11:36.31 | Bushmills | ion2 |
| 11:36.35 | Arron | Thank you! |
| 11:36.38 | Guerin | he probably means something like ion |
| 11:36.46 | *** join/#debian ootput (n=ootput@unaffiliated/ootput) |
| 11:36.49 | Guerin | i recommend evilwm |
| 11:36.52 | Dewi | multi_io: if your package system wasn't full of contradictions because you are running TWO unfinished distro versions AT ONCE, you wouldn't even be seeing the problem resolution tool |
| 11:36.58 | lastnode | ratpoison can split vertically and horizontally |
| 11:37.01 | *** part/#debian pabs3 (n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au) |
| 11:37.05 | Dewi | multi_io: your aptitude hell is basically of your own making |
| 11:37.18 | Guerin | lastnode: it CAN, but it doesn't do so by default (or especially well) |
| 11:37.19 | Dewi | multi_io: but that tool is giving you a guided tour to it |
| 11:37.48 | lastnode | Guerin: C-t-S :) |
| 11:38.00 | lastnode | i just did it actually |
| 11:38.03 | Guerin | and aside from that ratpoison is maintained by a fucking psycho homophobic bigoted misogynistic religious maniac |
| 11:38.07 | lastnode | to watch the office, and chat simult |
| 11:38.11 | Guerin | and that's reason enough to not use it |
| 11:38.16 | lastnode | really? |
| 11:38.19 | lastnode | religious, as in? |
| 11:38.25 | Guerin | sola scriptura |
| 11:38.30 | Guerin | he's barking |
| 11:38.56 | lastnode | that sucks, i really like the wm |
| 11:39.02 | Guerin | search debian mailing list archives for `walther' |
| 11:39.09 | ben_goodger | Guerin: I don't see people flocking from reiserfs purely on the basis that the author is a murderer...the software can't help who wrote it and should be judged on its own merit |
| 11:39.10 | lastnode | Guerin: what do you use? |
| 11:39.20 | lastnode | true ben_goodger |
| 11:39.33 | Dewi | Guerin: um, do you mean the author of ratpoison or the debian maintainer? |
| 11:39.36 | Guerin | ben_goodger: that's one view. |
| 11:39.49 | Arron | Hm, these are independent WM. I am wondering if something similar also exists for Gnome |
| 11:39.49 | ben_goodger | Guerin: this is obvious |
| 11:39.50 | Guerin | Dewi: the debian maintainer |
| 11:39.59 | Dewi | ben_goodger: not really |
| 11:40.06 | ben_goodger | it's obviously one view |
| 11:40.11 | Arron | www.xwinman.org seems to be promissing |
| 11:40.11 | *** join/#debian rhineheart_m (n=rhine@unaffiliated/rhineheartm/x-283746) |
| 11:40.15 | rhineheart_m | how to make mails to go directly to inbox in yahoo not in bulk? |
| 11:40.19 | Dewi | ben_goodger: when you use open-source software you are trusting your security and your property to "people on the internet" |
| 11:40.23 | Dewi | ben_goodger: trust is important |
| 11:40.27 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 11:40.29 | lastnode | rhineheart_m: does this look like #Yahoo to you? |
| 11:40.33 | Mazingaro | hi, please how can I connect to a remote gdm? |
| 11:40.35 | Dewi | ben_goodger: if something like that reduces trust, it's fair enough to react to that |
| 11:40.35 | *** join/#debian Clericuxio (n=ximplexc@41.222.40.59) |
| 11:40.39 | *** part/#debian Davo_Dinkum (n=DavoDink@c220-237-139-183.sunsh4.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 11:40.39 | multi_io | Dewi: aptitude tells me it's going to do something, then does something else. That looks like a problem with aptitude to me, no matter what distro versions I'm using. I've been using testing and unstable for years, I don'T expect that to work without any glitches. I would expect aptitude to accurately report what it's doing though, not report it's going to do something and then actually do something completely different. |
| 11:40.52 | lastnode | Guerin: the debian pacakger is nuts? hmmm, ok. |
| 11:40.59 | ben_goodger | Dewi: you need not trust anyone. you can, if you like, review every line |
| 11:41.08 | *** join/#debian mu (i=Onix@ACBE165F.ipt.aol.com) |
| 11:41.29 | Dewi | ben_goodger: let me know when you're done with that |
| 11:41.36 | Guerin | anyway, much as I'd like to debate the utilitarian ethics of software endorsement, I'm off to bed |
| 11:41.39 | Guerin | g'night ;) |
| 11:41.42 | Dewi | ben_goodger: also review all of science for me while you're at it |
| 11:41.57 | ben_goodger | Dewi: I'm trying my best with the latter |
| 11:42.03 | lastnode | night Guerin |
| 11:42.04 | Dewi | ben_goodger: awesome :) |
| 11:42.12 | hifi | if I were to create a package which depends on libGL.so, which package should be the depency? libgl1-mesa-glx? will the non-free alternatives provide for that? |
| 11:43.11 | Dewi | hifi: check the reverse depends on that package |
| 11:43.13 | dutchfish | hifi, i believe every package that has deps on non-free will be non-free itself |
| 11:43.22 | Dewi | hifi: and the "provides" |
| 11:44.07 | Bushmills | dutchfish: there are "installer" debs which pull non-free stuff. those installers are afaik in free |
| 11:44.21 | Dewi | dutchfish: hifi means like with java, where there is a generic dependancy on "java" and you can choose to fill it with free or non-free as you wish.... |
| 11:44.24 | dutchfish | Bushmills, example? |
| 11:44.28 | Dewi | dutchfish: java |
| 11:44.30 | *** join/#debian dbmoodb (n=david@unaffiliated/dbmoodb) |
| 11:44.31 | Dewi | dutchfish: by sun |
| 11:44.34 | dutchfish | ah yes |
| 11:44.40 | hifi | in this case display drivers |
| 11:44.43 | dbmoodb | hi there i have a cpu ... it is a |
| 11:44.50 | Bushmills | flash, java, for others i'd have to think |
| 11:44.53 | dutchfish | but thats merely an installer script |
| 11:44.56 | hifi | Dewi: ok, will take a look |
| 11:45.10 | Dewi | dutchfish: the point is that there is a non-specific metapackage "java" which abstracts all that away |
| 11:45.24 | dutchfish | Dewi, right |
| 11:45.31 | dbmoodb | p4 530j but ... if that is the case then my sse3 and some other stuff is missing...? |
| 11:45.35 | dbmoodb | any way to check |
| 11:45.40 | Dewi | unfortunately I don't know if there is one for opengl, but exploring in aptitude might uncover one |
| 11:45.45 | dbmoodb | (i don't know exactly what the cpu is ) |
| 11:45.57 | ben_goodger | ok, I found the problem. the 30_otheros file is still being written according to grub-legacy numbering rules (specifically, 0-indexing) but grub2 demands that things start from 1 |
| 11:46.01 | Dewi | dbmoodb: do you need to know exactly what CPU? |
| 11:46.06 | ben_goodger | byee |
| 11:46.10 | Bushmills | dbmoodb: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:46.12 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 11:46.15 | Dewi | dbmoodb: using i686 is good enough most of the time |
| 11:46.16 | dbmoodb | i did that |
| 11:46.19 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 11:46.26 | ma3x | why the widgets in firefox look weird stretched? |
| 11:46.29 | dbmoodb | Dewi: yes that is fine but... i want to know where my sse3 is if i have it |
| 11:46.40 | Dewi | dbmoodb: in your CPU core :) |
| 11:46.57 | dbmoodb | its a p4 3ghz... that is all that reports |
| 11:47.12 | Bushmills | dbmoodb: below, where it says "flags" |
| 11:47.13 | Dewi | dbmoodb: see "flags" |
| 11:47.15 | dbmoodb | yeah |
| 11:47.21 | Dewi | dbmoodb: should be a long list of stuff |
| 11:47.23 | dbmoodb | there isn't a sse3 entry that is why i ask |
| 11:47.25 | Dewi | dbmoodb: mine has 'sse' in there |
| 11:47.34 | dbmoodb | i have sse sse2 |
| 11:47.36 | *** join/#debian gordboy (n=gordboy@host217-42-30-197.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 11:47.37 | dbmoodb | but it should also have 3 |
| 11:47.57 | Dewi | dbmoodb: either linux doesn't care about it, or you don't have it, or it's called something else |
| 11:48.04 | dbmoodb | ok |
| 11:48.05 | Dewi | dbmoodb: but I have no idea which :P |
| 11:48.17 | dbmoodb | how do i exactly work out what cpu i have then |
| 11:48.34 | dbmoodb | Intel-specific functions: |
| 11:48.35 | dbmoodb | Version 00000f41: |
| 11:48.41 | ma3x | can anyone tell me why firefox looks so weird http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=snapshot1ss4.png ? |
| 11:49.08 | Dewi | ma3x: that looks normal |
| 11:49.16 | Dewi | ma3x: apart from the frame being a little small |
| 11:49.29 | Trewas | actually sse3 should be "pni" in /proc/cpuinfo, and then there's ssse3 (note one more 's') which is something newer than sse3 which c2d's at least have |
| 11:49.38 | Dewi | ma3x: could you be looking at a screen res where pixels are not square? |
| 11:49.54 | *** join/#debian Arron (n=as@f051078088.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:50.15 | dbmoodb | also when is lenny to be frozen ? |
| 11:50.27 | dutchfish | !freeze |
| 11:50.27 | dpkg | freeze is, like, when we put the testing version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable' |
| 11:50.35 | Mazingaro | dpkg: kdm |
| 11:50.35 | dpkg | methinks kdm is the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user |
| 11:50.44 | *** join/#debian Kevin` (n=kevin@etmalec.net) |
| 11:50.47 | Mazingaro | dpkg: kdm xdmcp |
| 11:50.47 | dpkg | Mazingaro: wish i knew |
| 11:50.51 | Mazingaro | dpkg: xdmcp |
| 11:50.51 | dpkg | [xdmcp] if using a recent xdm .deb, comment last line in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to enable xdmcp at all! also edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess to specify which clients are allowed to use XDMCP - a single line of "*" means "anyone in the world" |
| 11:50.53 | Dewi | dbmoodb: I haven't heard anyone mention a freeze, not that I'm in here that much lately |
| 11:51.05 | dbmoodb | k |
| 11:51.06 | Dewi | dbmoodb: check the mailing list archives |
| 11:51.14 | Dewi | dbmoodb: there tends to be a monthly status update |
| 11:51.16 | ma3x | Dewi: what do you mean by that (res where pixels are not square) why?? |
| 11:51.23 | dbmoodb | oh |
| 11:51.25 | ma3x | Dewi: 1280x800 |
| 11:51.32 | Dewi | ma3x: well that screenshot doesn't look stretched at all on my nearly-square pixels |
| 11:51.39 | Dewi | ma3x: widescreen or 4:3 ? |
| 11:51.49 | ma3x | Dewi: widescreen - but yes the image is not stretched |
| 11:51.59 | ma3x | Dewi: that's the problem it doesn't get stretched |
| 11:52.04 | Bushmills | dbmoodb: sse3 was implemented in intel cpus starting with the prescott kernel |
| 11:52.12 | Dewi | ma3x: I don't understand |
| 11:52.16 | dbmoodb | i have a prescott i believe |
| 11:52.19 | Bushmills | spring 2004 |
| 11:52.23 | *** join/#debian linomix (n=dfgdg@77.42.180.34) |
| 11:52.33 | ma3x | Dewi: you see the part under 'system defaults' |
| 11:52.49 | Dewi | ma3x: it's flowing off the frame, yes |
| 11:52.50 | ma3x | Dewi: the text is halved (i have to manually stretch down that window, in order to read the text |
| 11:53.05 | ma3x | Dewi: why firefox doesnt stretch it automatically? why do i have to do it manually? |
| 11:53.06 | Dewi | ma3x: maybe you are using a larger desktop font size than they intended |
| 11:53.18 | Dewi | ma3x: the firefox devs probably sized that frame in pixels and you have a different DPI |
| 11:53.44 | Dewi | ma3x: so you could try adjusting your desktop DPI setting up or down |
| 11:53.48 | *** join/#debian Badzo (n=badzo@h-87-199-17-28.dolsat.pl) |
| 11:53.56 | Dewi | ma3x: in fact gnome also has a "font size" setting independant from DPI, you might also try it |
| 11:54.00 | Dewi | (iirc) |
| 11:54.33 | ma3x | Dewi: i think i did that thing 'install firefox scrollbar fix' and it screwed it up |
| 11:54.39 | Dewi | ma3x: just like web pages, apps sometimes don't cope that well if you are using a font size the developer did not expect. |
| 11:54.49 | *** join/#debian _croPe_ (n=Miranda@p54ABE6D6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:54.51 | Dewi | ma3x: oh. I don't know what thing that is. |
| 11:55.02 | Dewi | ma3x: what did that involve? |
| 11:55.19 | ma3x | Dewi: exactly - it's sometimes resizing some sections of websites, it looks weird stretched |
| 11:55.23 | *** part/#debian Badzo (n=badzo@h-87-199-17-28.dolsat.pl) |
| 11:55.37 | ma3x | Dewi: there's a little button in kde control panel callde install firefox scrollbar fix |
| 11:55.51 | Dewi | if you modified some user.js or css chrome you could try commenting it out |
| 11:55.58 | *** join/#debian rpedro_ (n=rpedro@87-196-25-104.net.novis.pt) |
| 11:56.00 | Dewi | ma3x: what needs fixing about firefox's scrollbars? |
| 11:56.01 | *** join/#debian kakado_ (n=kakado@2803ds1-van.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 11:56.16 | Mazingaro | kakado: sotto? |
| 11:56.17 | *** join/#debian jazz (n=csegui@vaala.mine.nu) |
| 11:56.18 | ma3x | Dewi: no idea, how do i know what's the original user.js? |
| 11:56.36 | *** part/#debian Somebee (n=somebee@c217DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) |
| 11:56.56 | *** join/#debian dinya (n=dinya@net234-57.ertelecom.ru) |
| 11:57.02 | Dewi | ma3x: I don't know if that's what you changed |
| 11:57.06 | dbmoodb | oh i found it |
| 11:57.08 | dbmoodb | it is called pni |
| 11:57.11 | dbmoodb | !sse3 |
| 11:57.22 | dbmoodb | !pni |
| 11:57.23 | Dewi | dbmoodb: 21:49:28 < Trewas> actually sse3 should be "pni" in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:57.31 | dbmoodb | oh i missed that |
| 11:57.33 | Dewi | :) |
| 11:57.38 | *** join/#debian Number9 (n=snag@mobile-166-217-216-130.mycingular.net) |
| 11:57.38 | dbmoodb | can you add it to the dpkg bot |
| 11:57.55 | *** join/#debian [J3di] (i=DoUrden@bzq-79-180-174-57.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 11:58.30 | ma3x | Dewi: is it a good to have antialiasing for fonts? |
| 11:58.35 | Dewi | dpkg, sse3 is called 'pni' in the flags section of /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:58.35 | dpkg | Dewi: okay |
| 11:58.38 | *** join/#debian darkapostrophe (n=darkapos@217-33-211.231210.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 11:58.49 | Dewi | !sse3 |
| 11:58.49 | dpkg | well, sse3 is called 'pni' in the flags section of /proc/cpuinfo |
| 11:58.49 | *** join/#debian semprix_ (n=semprix@125.212.91.22) |
| 11:58.58 | [J3di] | i have a problem with a disk - /dev/sdb. it is partitoned correctly (/dev/sdb1 exists) however after a reboot the file "/dev/sdb1" |
| 11:59.13 | [J3di] | cease to exist, and only after hdparm -z /dev/sdb it is re-created |
| 11:59.46 | Dewi | [J3di]: what does fdisk -l /dev/sdb say before you hdparm it? |
| 11:59.50 | Number9 | is it an external drive? |
| 12:00.01 | *** join/#debian dinya (n=dinya@net234-57.ertelecom.ru) |
| 12:00.03 | *** join/#debian ido-- (n=wtf@212.199.189.65) |
| 12:00.09 | ido-- | how do i install ntfs support ? |
| 12:00.20 | Dewi | ido--: do you need write? |
| 12:00.22 | ido-- | yes |
| 12:00.35 | Dewi | !ntfs |
| 12:00.36 | dpkg | well, ntfs is Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 12:00.41 | dbmoodb | ido--: which... oh there you go |
| 12:00.52 | Dewi | !ntfsrw |
| 12:00.52 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
| 12:00.53 | dbmoodb | -- there is a backport package too... |
| 12:01.00 | dbmoodb | !ntfs-3g |
| 12:01.00 | dpkg | it has been said that ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g. Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 12:01.41 | Dewi | heh. Good factoids. |
| 12:01.57 | Dewi | ido--: got that? |
| 12:02.04 | ido-- | kida |
| 12:02.24 | ido-- | so its ntfsmount or ntfs-3g ? |
| 12:02.35 | *** join/#debian MoDaX (n=nth@84.240.22.131) |
| 12:02.46 | ma3x | Dewi: so how do you say i solve this thing? i set a new dpi for xorg? |
| 12:02.58 | ido-- | how do i know which of thoseto choose ? |
| 12:03.11 | Number9 | ntfs-3g works great for me--i used gparted to format a 500gb drive ntfs and put about 200gb of files on it and it was readable in xp---and passed chkdsk w/ no errors |
| 12:03.12 | Dewi | ma3x: well that's what I would have said, until you said you modified firefox in some way |
| 12:03.16 | *** join/#debian doff (n=doff@voldemar.spnet.ru) |
| 12:03.24 | Dewi | ma3x: unfortunately I have no idea what that "fix" might have done |
| 12:03.30 | ido-- | hrm. |
| 12:03.32 | Dewi | ma3x: so I can't really recommend anything |
| 12:03.32 | ma3x | Dewi: i checked and removed everything that was modified, so it's the same thing again |
| 12:03.45 | ma3x | Dewi: now my DPI is set to 100, should i try changing it to 75? |
| 12:03.47 | ido-- | how do i know which debian i'm running? |
| 12:03.51 | Dewi | ma3x: alright... well if you can make the fonts render a bit smaller it can sometimes help with those overflows |
| 12:03.55 | ma3x | Dewi: actually what's better for the eyes? more dpi or less? |
| 12:03.57 | dbmoodb | uname -a ido |
| 12:03.57 | ido-- | i dont seem to have ntfs-3g on my apt-get |
| 12:04.02 | Dewi | ma3x: either by "dpi" or "font size" setting in your desktop |
| 12:04.06 | ido-- | dbmoodb: doesnt say |
| 12:04.11 | cahoot | ido--: /msg dpkg version |
| 12:04.13 | dbmoodb | so you are running etch -- what does that say ? |
| 12:04.14 | Dewi | ma3x: I can never remember which direction is which with DPIs |
| 12:04.17 | dbmoodb | which kernel |
| 12:04.25 | ido-- | 2.6 |
| 12:04.25 | Dewi | ma3x: but yes, antialiasing is definitely good especially if you have an LCD |
| 12:04.36 | ma3x | ok thanks |
| 12:04.45 | [J3di] | Dewi, it displays the partition table correctly |
| 12:04.54 | ido-- | cat /etc/debian_version -> 4.0 |
| 12:04.57 | Dewi | [J3di]: oh really? so fdisk disagrees with /dev ? |
| 12:05.16 | *** part/#debian Menschensohn (n=Menschen@p54863E49.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:05.26 | ido-- | thats etch |
| 12:05.28 | [J3di] | precisely |
| 12:05.39 | [J3di] | and it only happens on 2 of my disks |
| 12:05.45 | Dewi | [J3di]: that's strange... sounds like you have some kind of problem with udev/devfs/that-stuff-I-don't-understand |
| 12:05.48 | DexterF | I just purged and reinstalled mdadm, but in rcX.d no symlinks to /etc/nit.d/mdadm-raid. Anyone know why that would happen? |
| 12:05.54 | Dewi | [J3di]: internal sata disks? |
| 12:05.57 | [J3di] | which they are of the same model (750GB) the rest are fine (all sata) |
| 12:06.04 | [J3di] | yes internal sata |
| 12:06.09 | Dewi | [J3di]: aah. same controller? |
| 12:06.20 | Dewi | [J3di]: 750GB are special in that the cylinder count goes above 2^16 |
| 12:06.28 | hoxu | [J3di], what kernel are you using? |
| 12:06.29 | Dewi | [J3di]: I've had lots of BIOS problems with them |
| 12:06.31 | *** part/#debian dbmoodb (n=david@unaffiliated/dbmoodb) |
| 12:06.32 | [J3di] | yes, /dev/sdb and /dev/sdd are fucked, /dev/sda and /dev/sdc are fine |
| 12:06.48 | [J3di] | Linux 37 2.6.23.1 #3 SMP |
| 12:06.48 | *** join/#debian Gryfelhase (n=Gryflhas@p4FD20733.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:07.00 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@c-71-230-50-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 12:07.01 | Dewi | [J3di]: what sata controller module is used? |
| 12:07.06 | *** join/#debian jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) |
| 12:07.17 | DexterF | [J3di]: got some missing-partitons info and just see what you write... what's your issue? |
| 12:07.24 | *** join/#debian mosno (n=mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) |
| 12:07.39 | DexterF | -info+issue |
| 12:07.43 | jescis | hello again. |
| 12:07.45 | Dewi | ido--: ntfs-3g has a backport |
| 12:07.51 | Dewi | ido--: as it says in the factoid |
| 12:07.59 | Dewi | !backports.org |
| 12:07.59 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 12:08.02 | hoxu | [J3di], I think trying newest kernel may be worth the trouble... on the other hand, you could just modify the startup scripts and add that workaround you mentioned |
| 12:08.18 | *** join/#debian agnitio_ (n=magnus@h-91-126-123-244.wholesale.rp80.se) |
| 12:08.29 | Dewi | ido--: that should be the best way of getting ntfs-3g in etch |
| 12:08.31 | *** join/#debian dinya (n=dinya@net234-40.ertelecom.ru) |
| 12:09.08 | Dewi | ido--: personally I use backports.org in my sources.list when I want something specific, and then I comment it out again. |
| 12:09.17 | ido-- | hrm. |
| 12:09.31 | ceil420 | i google for stuff i need backported <_< |
| 12:09.31 | DexterF | [J3di]: on what controller type do sdb/d sit? |
| 12:09.32 | Dewi | ido--: which I believe is unnecessary paranoia these days, but I still do it |
| 12:09.38 | jescis | I forget the packages name for mouse support in the tty(n) mode(CLI) :/ |
| 12:09.39 | ceil420 | should look into the sources.list entry, too |
| 12:09.43 | *** join/#debian Biolunar (i=mahdi@blfd-4db50bfb.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 12:09.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | the nice thing about backports.org is that they packages dont munge things if you leave it enabled |
| 12:09.47 | ido-- | how do i know which binaries do i need ? |
| 12:09.50 | [J3di] | im trying to find which controller they sit on, hold on a moment |
| 12:09.51 | ido-- | for what platform |
| 12:09.59 | ido-- | its a '2.6.18-6-ixp4xx' |
| 12:10.04 | abrotman | jescis: gmp ? |
| 12:10.05 | Dewi | Kamping_Kaiser: I think they used to when I first started using them, but they are more careful with the versioning now |
| 12:10.09 | abrotman | !gpm |
| 12:10.09 | dpkg | from memory, gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 12:10.11 | ido-- | armv5tel |
| 12:10.22 | jescis | ah, yeah m:) |
| 12:10.23 | abrotman | jescis: erm .. gpm .. not gmp |
| 12:10.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Dewi, they did used to. |
| 12:10.28 | Scurz | hello |
| 12:10.46 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 12:10.51 | Dewi | ido--: you don't understand, if you are using backports.org, it uses apt and dpkg |
| 12:11.00 | ma3x | why is the -dpi ignored in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc ? |
| 12:11.03 | ido-- | Ãì |
| 12:11.04 | ido-- | ok |
| 12:11.05 | *** join/#debian ootput (n=ootput@unaffiliated/ootput) |
| 12:11.07 | Dewi | ido--: just like normal debian but a little less official, so it tends to choose binaries appropriately |
| 12:11.15 | *** join/#debian mezod (i=nnscript@unaffiliated/mezod) |
| 12:11.19 | Scurz | I'm installing ejabberd, but, when I try to create the user "admin" : Can't register user "" at node '': not_allowed what to do ? I added the jabber domain in /etc/hosts |
| 12:11.21 | Dewi | ido--: it's definitely better than upgrading to lenny |
| 12:12.15 | Dewi | ido--: basically you add a line or two to /etc/apt/sources.list and then do an 'update', and suddenly apt will have a bit more stuff than before |
| 12:12.26 | *** join/#debian ThecroPe (n=Miranda@p54ABD3FE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:12.31 | Dewi | ido--: newer stuff, not available in official stable debian |
| 12:12.32 | ido-- | did that. |
| 12:12.38 | ido-- | doing that. |
| 12:12.46 | [J3di] | according to dmesg it sits on NFORCE-MCP51 |
| 12:12.57 | *** join/#debian buscon (n=term@adsl-ull-192-81.48-151.net24.it) |
| 12:13.19 | *** join/#debian crl (n=chris@CPE000f66256168-CM000f9fac8aa0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 12:13.39 | cahoot | j3di dmidecode? |
| 12:13.40 | Dewi | [J3di]: I wonder if that module has some issues probing drives with more than 2^16 cylinders |
| 12:13.52 | Dewi | [J3di]: see if you have warnings in your syslog / kernel log at boot time |
| 12:13.58 | [J3di] | the strange thing is that when i do hdparm -z it works |
| 12:14.03 | Dewi | [J3di]: I don't really know what I can recommend since you have such a recent kernel |
| 12:14.11 | DexterF | [J3di]: can you paste lspci | grep storage ? |
| 12:14.49 | DexterF | I had a similar issue with 2.6.18 from etch until I upped to 2.6.22 from backports on a sil3114 |
| 12:15.35 | jescis | abrotman, that's it but I got a fail when it tried to stop the mouse interface -_- |
| 12:15.43 | *** join/#debian gukk_devel (n=gukk_dev@xdsl-213-196-244-237.netcologne.de) |
| 12:15.49 | abrotman | jescis: because you're currently in X ? |
| 12:16.01 | jescis | no I'm not |
| 12:16.34 | *** join/#debian Paddy_EIRE (n=patrick@78.150.252.105) |
| 12:16.43 | ido-- | hrm. |
| 12:16.51 | ido-- | i added the backports, did apt-get update |
| 12:16.58 | ido-- | but still dont see there ntfs-3g |
| 12:17.00 | jescis | abrotman, I did open links2 in graphics mode using svgalib |
| 12:17.40 | abrotman | jescis: i'd guess something is using it |
| 12:18.31 | Scurz | no ideas for my question? |
| 12:18.57 | *** join/#debian PriitM (n=poopsmel@ip146.cab63.mus.starman.ee) |
| 12:19.01 | jescis | abrotman, but I closed links2 and the line below myu screen is still acting up from it(svgalib) |
| 12:19.23 | abrotman | jescis: i have no idea if that's even what's using it .. |
| 12:19.28 | DexterF | !runlevel |
| 12:19.28 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 12:19.44 | DexterF | !startup |
| 12:19.44 | dpkg | from memory, init.d is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript default". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc><rc.local><runlevel> |
| 12:19.46 | abrotman | Scurz: i'd probably try the jabber support room on conference.jabber.org .. see #jabber for more |
| 12:19.52 | abrotman | !tell DexterF about msg the bot |
| 12:20.07 | DexterF | oh, that was here. ok, abrotman |
| 12:20.10 | *** join/#debian pumpkin0 (n=ram@ip-83-99-20-48.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu) |
| 12:20.18 | abrotman | as opposed to there? |
| 12:20.21 | Scurz | abrotman: okep |
| 12:20.39 | abrotman | Scurz: i know j.org uses ejabber |
| 12:20.40 | abrotman | d |
| 12:20.54 | *** join/#debian tyzh (n=firedrak@218.193.14.33) |
| 12:20.58 | Scurz | okep |
| 12:21.18 | *** join/#debian tolecnal_ (n=tolecnal@215.80-203-134.nextgentel.com) |
| 12:21.32 | *** join/#debian rbwi (n=rbw@c83-248-97-160.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 12:21.36 | abrotman | Scurz: you did read the ejabberd documentation right ? |
| 12:22.23 | *** join/#debian rhineheart_m (n=rhine@122.55.238.195) |
| 12:23.37 | Scurz | abrotman: yes |
| 12:23.42 | sChaaa | hola |
| 12:24.07 | *** join/#debian rpedro_ (n=rpedro@87-196-184-67.net.novis.pt) |
| 12:24.08 | [J3di] | DexterF: 04:09.0 Mass storage controller: Promise Technology, Inc. PDC40718 (SATA 300 TX4) (rev 02) |
| 12:25.24 | sidewalk | does anyone know how i configure which directory to be used as "Desktop" in gnome? |
| 12:26.01 | *** join/#debian vjoe (i=hugo@a83-132-73-41.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 12:26.27 | mosno | sidewalk: gconf probably |
| 12:26.30 | abrotman | sidewalk: i'd guess gconf .. but why change it ? |
| 12:26.45 | DexterF | [J3di]: got any raid arrays or / on that or is it just about storage? |
| 12:26.46 | sidewalk | cause currently it is set to ~ |
| 12:27.00 | mosno | abrotman: i'm guessing he's sick of typing Desktop |
| 12:27.02 | abrotman | should be ~/Desktop/ |
| 12:27.07 | vjoe | hey |
| 12:27.13 | *** part/#debian ido-- (n=wtf@212.199.189.65) |
| 12:27.18 | sidewalk | yes |
| 12:27.22 | rbwi | google.com/search?q=change+desktop+directory+gnome |
| 12:27.25 | sidewalk | how do i set it to ~/Desktop? :P |
| 12:27.30 | DexterF | shit gotta run |
| 12:27.53 | mosno | DexterF: sometimes it's content just hanging around |
| 12:28.26 | DexterF | [J3di]: try some live CDs see if it works from those. could be an initrd issue |
| 12:28.51 | mosno | holy hell, i remember now how to properly do the apostrophe when saying it's (yes i got it wrong) |
| 12:31.47 | *** join/#debian arlinja (n=arm9cl@athedsl-41582.home.otenet.gr) |
| 12:31.49 | sidewalk | thanks |
| 12:36.11 | sidewalk | okey, now if someone wants i could use some help with setting upp two disks in /etc/fstab |
| 12:36.16 | *** join/#debian mypapit (n=mypapit@pdpc/supporter/active/mypapit) |
| 12:36.31 | abrotman | man fstab ... man mount |
| 12:36.41 | sidewalk | they dont always mount as they should, sometimes they change /dev/device with eachother |
| 12:36.52 | abrotman | sidewalk: which version of Debian ? |
| 12:37.10 | *** join/#debian bruno-- (n=bruno@unaffiliated/bruno--) |
| 12:37.21 | *** join/#debian LV-426 (n=lama@89.0.57.105.dynamic.barak-online.net) |
| 12:37.23 | *** join/#debian mishok13 (n=gdmfsob@92.112.50.76) |
| 12:37.40 | sidewalk | oh, nevermind, that one is an ubuntubox :-) |
| 12:38.00 | abrotman | then go to #ubuntu |
| 12:38.04 | bruno-- | [alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] [sparc] [s390] [source] [multi-arch] |
| 12:38.04 | bruno-- | |
| 12:38.04 | bruno-- | those which do I choose to core 2 duo? |
| 12:38.13 | abrotman | i386 or amd64 .. your choice |
| 12:38.19 | *** join/#debian zined (n=zined@unaffiliated/zined) |
| 12:38.25 | bruno-- | amd64 work fine? |
| 12:38.33 | abrotman | is it a desktop or server? |
| 12:38.36 | bruno-- | desktop |
| 12:38.40 | bruno-- | core 2 duo notebook |
| 12:38.50 | bruno-- | t5450 1.6ghz |
| 12:38.58 | abrotman | on amd64 you'll have to play tricks for flash .. and maybe java , but other than that it shuld be fine |
| 12:39.33 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (n=fhaberma@p57BC5816.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:39.34 | enouf | what a dump ;-) |
| 12:39.36 | bruno-- | hm |
| 12:39.40 | lastnode | abrotman: as a point of itnerest, does i386 make good use of the 2 procs? |
| 12:39.45 | bruno-- | thank you abchirk |
| 12:39.47 | abrotman | sure |
| 12:39.52 | bruno-- | i'l download i386 |
| 12:39.52 | abrotman | !beer abchirk |
| 12:39.52 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Dogfishhead 90min IPA for abchirk |
| 12:40.02 | enouf | heh |
| 12:40.05 | bruno-- | ubuntu did not work |
| 12:40.13 | bruno-- | on my notebook |
| 12:40.19 | abrotman | bruno--: why not ? |
| 12:40.26 | lastnode | forgets the trigger for "does not work" |
| 12:40.27 | abrotman | lastnode: i'm not sure why you think it would be different |
| 12:40.27 | *** join/#debian Cobra| (n=aa@Ua4db.u.pppool.de) |
| 12:40.28 | bruno-- | crash after load kernel |
| 12:40.32 | lastnode | !does not work |
| 12:40.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 12:40.34 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:40.51 | lastnode | abrotman: i didn't think it would be different. jus wnted to see |
| 12:41.03 | lastnode | bruno--: what kind of error? |
| 12:41.16 | bruno-- | no errors |
| 12:41.21 | bruno-- | only stop load |
| 12:41.30 | bruno-- | on 20% of the progress bar |
| 12:42.03 | mosno | there's a progress bar? |
| 12:42.17 | abrotman | mosno: it's a GUI bootloader |
| 12:42.24 | abrotman | or init process .. whichever you perfer |
| 12:42.43 | mosno | ubuntu in #debian? |
| 12:42.57 | bruno-- | sorry, i was only comment. |
| 12:43.02 | [J3di] | DexterF, im using LVM's (the disk is part of lvm array) |
| 12:43.05 | Number9 | sacrelidge! |
| 12:43.11 | Number9 | :) |
| 12:43.12 | lastnode | Number9: *sacrilege |
| 12:43.23 | Number9 | yes |
| 12:43.26 | Number9 | correcton |
| 12:44.26 | mosno | hardy *is* a tasty burger. pity compiz/nvidia STILL locks when doing Switch User in Gnome. |
| 12:45.07 | Niklas- | I was wondering if there is an open source utility to manage updates on multiple servers? |
| 12:45.18 | lastnode | Niklas-: updates, as in? |
| 12:45.23 | *** join/#debian Ward1983 (n=ward@91.178.32.172) |
| 12:45.43 | Ward1983 | begs for a backup tool that works over network |
| 12:45.49 | Niklas- | lastnode: apt-get update/upgrade automatic |
| 12:46.01 | Dewi | Niklas-: on debian stable update is: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude upgrade |
| 12:46.03 | mosno | he wants to call aptitude update/upgrade remotely, with control over which systems, where, etc. |
| 12:46.08 | Ward1983 | sbackup just wrote my entire harddisk full while i set it to write the image on a network map trough ssh |
| 12:46.18 | Niklas- | Dewi: yeah but if you have 15-20 servers thats not a cool job :) |
| 12:46.18 | Ward1983 | cant even login enymore.... |
| 12:46.23 | Dewi | Niklas-: to do it on other servers stick "ssh root@remote" in front |
| 12:46.23 | Ward1983 | dunno where it placed the data... |
| 12:46.28 | lastnode | Niklas-: you can write a shells cript tha tuses ssh to do that? |
| 12:46.42 | Dewi | Niklas-: it's a for loop |
| 12:47.18 | Dewi | Niklas-: HHOSTS='vetch thorn ash' |
| 12:47.24 | Niklas- | There isn't an open source software like PatchQuest? |
| 12:47.24 | Dewi | Niklas-: for HHOST in $HHOSTS; do |
| 12:47.25 | Dewi | .... |
| 12:47.26 | *** join/#debian jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) |
| 12:47.43 | Dewi | Niklas-: no because it's a 3 line bash script! |
| 12:47.45 | [J3di] | how do i revert on using devfs instead of udev ? |
| 12:48.00 | lastnode | Niklas-: what Dewi said |
| 12:48.14 | abrotman | [J3di]: devfs is long deprecated |
| 12:48.17 | [J3di] | or the static /dev (MAKEDEV) |
| 12:48.35 | Dewi | [J3di]: maybe you should use a less bleeding edge kernel? |
| 12:48.41 | Dewi | [J3di]: maybe it has bugs |
| 12:48.47 | [J3di] | why bleeding edge |
| 12:48.49 | [J3di] | its stable |
| 12:48.55 | Dewi | [J3di]: what kernel was it? |
| 12:49.02 | abrotman | what's his real problem? |
| 12:49.03 | jescis | abrotman, I rebooted, loaded gpm, then ran links2 in graphics mode. Now I have mouse and gfx \o/ |
| 12:49.03 | Dewi | mine is like 2.6.18 |
| 12:49.06 | *** join/#debian _croPe_ (n=Miranda@p54ABD3FE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:49.09 | [J3di] | 2.6.23.1 |
| 12:49.10 | abrotman | jescis: yay .. i think |
| 12:49.12 | Niklas- | But that doesn't take care of configure options and stuff automatic like patchquest does. I would still need to run the script manually and wait for all servers to complete one by one |
| 12:49.13 | abrotman | that's not stable |
| 12:49.19 | Dewi | abrotman: udev isn't getting his drive geometry, though fdisk sees it |
| 12:49.19 | abrotman | etch has a 2.6.18 |
| 12:49.22 | Dewi | abrotman: until he uses hdparm |
| 12:49.27 | [J3di] | the current stable is 2.6.25.1 |
| 12:49.30 | abrotman | etch has a 2.6.18 |
| 12:49.32 | Dewi | [J3di]: not in debian |
| 12:49.36 | lastnode | why is it thatlinks auto open in epiphany, when ive set iceweasel as default browser? |
| 12:49.42 | abrotman | and .25 is NOT the current stable |
| 12:49.54 | cahoot | lastnode: in gnome? |
| 12:49.54 | Dewi | abrotman: is the odd number of that 25 significant? |
| 12:50.07 | Dewi | abrotman: the kernel even/odd thing... |
| 12:50.13 | lastnode | cahoot: yes |
| 12:50.15 | abrotman | yes, 2.6.<even> is stable .. 2.6.<odd> is development |
| 12:50.20 | engla | Dewi: no, not at all |
| 12:50.25 | Dewi | abrotman: so not stable in debian, and not stable in linux? |
| 12:50.26 | lastnode | abrotman: i think that changed, from 2.6.x? |
| 12:50.30 | enouf | jescis: you do know you don't need gpm to use links2 -g in console, right? |
| 12:50.34 | Dewi | lastnode: oh, really? |
| 12:50.36 | lastnode | maybe istaken |
| 12:50.37 | engla | abrotman: not true since 2.6 |
| 12:50.38 | lastnode | *mistaken |
| 12:50.42 | lastnode | yeah what engla said |
| 12:50.45 | abrotman | lastnode: that is the new way .. it used to be 2.<odd> is devel .. and 2.<even> was stable |
| 12:50.47 | [J3di] | abrotman, no, 2.<even> is stable, 2.<odd> is devel |
| 12:50.50 | cahoot | lastnode: then I'd guess gconf-editor would be of use |
| 12:50.52 | lastnode | abrotman: yes, i know |
| 12:50.53 | abrotman | no .. that's wrong |
| 12:50.56 | lastnode | cahoot: thanks |
| 12:51.00 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 12:51.04 | abrotman | [J3di]: you're very wrong .. but use whatever kernel you like |
| 12:51.06 | [J3di] | The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is: 2.6.25.1 2008-05-01 21:53 UTC |
| 12:51.10 | Niklas- | If that odd/even stuff is actually being used, how come 2.6.25.1 is announced as "The latest stable version" ? |
| 12:51.11 | Optic | woot |
| 12:51.14 | enouf | there is no "dev" version |
| 12:51.19 | Dewi | [J3di]: but what you said was odd |
| 12:51.23 | jescis | enouf, that was the only way I found to get mouse and gfx support |
| 12:51.26 | abrotman | don't make me go find the stupid emails |
| 12:51.38 | [J3di] | if there was 2.7.X it would be devel |
| 12:51.47 | \amethyst | [J3di]: no, they stopped doing that |
| 12:51.50 | abrotman | and there isn't one .. you know why? because 2.6.<odd> is devel |
| 12:51.54 | Optic | we're using 2.6.22 on our production stuff at work |
| 12:51.56 | \amethyst | abrotman: maybe you should tell kernel.org that |
| 12:51.57 | enouf | jescis: did you try links2 -g as root? |
| 12:51.59 | Optic | it seems to be fine with the latest nvidia driver |
| 12:51.59 | LV-426 | attempting a simple icmp loopback test on a ppp0 internet connection [pinging my own ip] buy no packets show up when sniffing. I'm not sure how these packets are handled - do they even reach the routing table ? |
| 12:52.02 | [J3di] | 2.6 is a stable tree, there are devels in that tree |
| 12:52.05 | Dewi | abrotman: actually kernel.org does say 2.6.25 is stable |
| 12:52.07 | \amethyst | abrotman: because they list 2.6.25.1 as the "latest stable version" |
| 12:52.12 | abrotman | [J3di]: WRONG |
| 12:52.27 | Dewi | abrotman: I have nfi what the logic is these days |
| 12:52.33 | abrotman | \amethyst: they also released 2.6.0 when it was "stable" :) |
| 12:52.44 | \amethyst | abrotman: oh, so you're playing numerologist now |
| 12:52.45 | lastnode | "Odd numbers have historically been development releases, such as 1.1 or 2.5. They were for testing new features and drivers until they became sufficiently stable to be included in a stable release. It was an even/odd version number scheme." |
| 12:52.47 | Dewi | [J3di]: anyway in summary, debian uses older kernels |
| 12:52.50 | \amethyst | never mind, I thought you were being serious |
| 12:52.59 | Dewi | [J3di]: I dunno how "stable" kernel.org's stable really is |
| 12:53.04 | \amethyst | 2.6.25 is in debian |
| 12:53.04 | *** join/#debian koeppea (n=koeppea@p57A71AEF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:53.05 | jescis | enouf, now I did |
| 12:53.13 | Dewi | \amethyst: sigh |
| 12:53.13 | \amethyst | sid, of course |
| 12:53.26 | enouf | jescis: you need to read /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian |
| 12:53.27 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel#Version_numbering |
| 12:53.37 | [J3di] | anyway i dont want to change the kernel right now cuz if i fuck up the configs i cant boot the computer (its a remote pc) |
| 12:54.01 | Dewi | [J3di]: well you could always hack hdparm into your startup scripts |
| 12:54.01 | \amethyst | abrotman: and where does it say that the 25 being odd means it's unstable? |
| 12:54.06 | lastnode | [J3di]: oh, if it's a server, you should be running etch |
| 12:54.10 | Dewi | [J3di]: I can think of worse things |
| 12:54.12 | abrotman | that's what they said like two years ago |
| 12:54.14 | enouf | jescis: if it works fine as root - all you need to do is what it tells you to do in that file, which is essentially just setuid root to the links2 binary |
| 12:54.17 | engla | anyway, the view of the core linux developers as well as many others is that all _releases_ are equal now (stable), but for a "stable" kernel, users should go to distribution kernels, like debian's |
| 12:54.18 | lastnode | \amethyst: it used to be the case. it no longer is. |
| 12:54.30 | lastnode | \amethyst: "Starting with the Linux 2.6.x series, there is no significance to even or odd numbers, with new feature development going on in the same kernel series. Linus Torvalds has stated that this will be the model for the foreseeable future." |
| 12:54.48 | \amethyst | lastnode: That's talking about the 6, not the 25 |
| 12:54.54 | lastnode | argh |
| 12:54.58 | *** join/#debian saoknoflol (n=pyro@81.5.36.211) |
| 12:55.01 | lastnode | dude? 2.6.25 |
| 12:55.07 | lastnode | oh right |
| 12:55.09 | *** join/#debian suppaman (n=suppa@213-156-49-141.fastres.net) |
| 12:55.11 | abrotman | yes and they had said at one point that x.x.y versus x.x.x was stable/devel .. |
| 12:55.11 | lastnode | hits head |
| 12:55.14 | abrotman | whatever .. |
| 12:55.20 | enouf | jescis: but it also lets the pkgmanager system (dpkg/apt) know about it |
| 12:55.22 | abrotman | it's not going to fix his issue |
| 12:55.34 | abrotman | i wish they'd stop mucking with the numbering scheme |
| 12:55.37 | lastnode | \amethyst: apologies, decimals got int eh way. :) |
| 12:55.39 | engla | abrotman: it's absolutely false. 2.6.25 is the lastest stable series |
| 12:55.50 | abrotman | engla: yes, they changed it again |
| 12:55.52 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 12:55.55 | abrotman | oh well |
| 12:55.59 | [J3di] | Dewi, yes that what i thought, however i've encountered another problem, after i've ran `vgscan` to see that the lvm is correctly identified (and it did), it didnt create the /dev/mapper/<lvm> or /dev/<lvm name> which it used to be |
| 12:56.06 | abrotman | they really need a 2.7.x |
| 12:56.07 | Dewi | [J3di]: hmm |
| 12:56.09 | [J3di] | which leads me to believe that i have a problem with the /dev (udev) |
| 12:56.14 | Dewi | [J3di]: that sounds like a more general problem with udev then |
| 12:56.25 | *** join/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 12:56.28 | Dewi | [J3di]: or coincidentally your lvm mapper is also broken.... |
| 12:56.40 | Dewi | [J3di]: oh, wait a minute |
| 12:56.43 | Dewi | [J3di]: did you set them active? |
| 12:56.50 | engla | abrotman: numbers mean nothing. hte largest latest change was between 2.6.8 and 2.6.9, when they added the fourth digit so we now have 2.6.25.x etc! |
| 12:56.50 | Dewi | [J3di]: vgchange -ay |
| 12:56.55 | abrotman | [J3di]: devfs was deprecated a very long time ago like 2.6.15 or something like that |
| 12:57.07 | [J3di] | oh my bad :) |
| 12:57.10 | [J3di] | thanks Dewi |
| 12:57.21 | abrotman | engla: right .. but at one point .odd was dev and .even was stable .. they apparently changed it yet again |
| 12:57.24 | Dewi | [J3di]: yeah absent VGs are set inactive |
| 12:57.40 | Dewi | [J3di]: well actually you're meant to set them inactive, but shrug |
| 12:58.28 | abrotman | engla: i wrote that poorly .. but it's irrelevant .. so we'll just say i'm old and set in my ways and move on :) |
| 12:58.37 | Dewi | [J3di]: it just sounds like the module for nvidia SATA needs some coaxing on drives with cyls > 2^16 |
| 12:58.48 | Dewi | [J3di]: not that I have many data points to come to that conclusion |
| 12:58.49 | engla | abrotman: great :) |
| 12:59.03 | Dewi | [J3di]: but it might all be different on a different kernel, so that's something to try |
| 12:59.04 | *** join/#debian tingle (n=tingle@nightshade.nl) |
| 12:59.26 | Dewi | [J3di]: especially since you're using a kernel-hacker-stable kernel instead of an end-user-stable |
| 12:59.31 | tingle | hello, what package do i need if i would like to use alsamixer? im not sure how to figure that out (sid) |
| 12:59.38 | engla | abrotman: if you are curious, you can browse in myriads of different kernel trees, stable and development trees (as well as obsolete) here: http://git.kernel.org/ |
| 13:00.33 | Dewi | tingle: sudo aptitude search alsa.*mixer |
| 13:00.34 | lastnode | tingle: apt-cache search alsamixer? also packages.debian.org lets you search inside packages for binaries |
| 13:00.51 | abrotman | engla: i've been there .. but it would be nice if something like a 2.7 actually happened |
| 13:00.53 | lastnode | tingle: Dewi's apt-cache search skills > mine, use his syntax |
| 13:01.03 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@p5DC2C923.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:01.25 | Gryfelhase | Can someone point me to out-of-the-box working "all in one (scanner, fax)"-laserprinter that works out of the box with debian etch? |
| 13:01.27 | Dewi | lastnode: pessimism and paranoia == skill? I'm flattered... |
| 13:01.31 | Dewi | grins |
| 13:01.38 | lastnode | Dewi: in my book, yes |
| 13:01.43 | lastnode | :) |
| 13:01.48 | Dewi | lastnode: actually what am I saying? this is #debian |
| 13:02.11 | Dewi | lastnode: people don't even look at you funny when you're paranoid in here; it's great |
| 13:02.18 | Optic | gryfelhase: you're lucky if you can find those individual components that work out of the box, unfortunately |
| 13:02.26 | lastnode | gets looked at often for being not cautious enough |
| 13:02.28 | [J3di] | bah, now i see the /dev/mapper/vg-lv but no the /dev/vg/lv |
| 13:02.34 | Optic | you should do okay finding a printer that will work well with etch |
| 13:02.44 | lastnode | Dewi: it's a welcome relief from ubuntu though "If it's a .deb, go for it, it must be good for your system." :D |
| 13:02.47 | [J3di] | something is wrong with my udev... |
| 13:02.50 | engla | abrotman: I think what's happening now is very exciting. continuous improvement, apparently 10000 commits per major kernel version. This continuous model, is really great and takes us forward quickly I think, just like Gnome's 6 month continous releases etc |
| 13:02.59 | Dewi | [J3di]: they are just symlinks |
| 13:03.05 | enouf | alsa-utils |
| 13:03.13 | Gryfelhase | Optic: I have already a working a laser-printer, that was not out of the box, a bit fiddling-ö-- |
| 13:03.22 | Dewi | [J3di]: it doesn't sound serious |
| 13:03.27 | abrotman | engla: i don't mind the way the way the "stable" tree is going .. but i think it would be good to see a true devel tree where completely radical changes can happen |
| 13:03.28 | Optic | gryfel: that's pretty much the linux way :) |
| 13:03.30 | lastnode | Gryfelhase: google linux printing, find one that works with cups |
| 13:03.31 | enouf | tingle: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 13:03.36 | Dewi | [J3di]: the one you have is the important one |
| 13:03.51 | enouf | and installing dlocate wouldn't hurt ;-) |
| 13:04.00 | Gryfelhase | lastnode: The main-point is, to get also the build in scanner to workk |
| 13:04.11 | [J3di] | lvdisplay shows the correct path (/dev/vg/lv) but it doesnt exist on /dev, which is strange because it used to be fine |
| 13:04.22 | lastnode | Gryfelhase: id still google. |
| 13:04.27 | Gryfelhase | if this is not garantueed, I will buy just a scanner |
| 13:04.44 | *** part/#debian suppaman (n=suppa@213-156-49-141.fastres.net) |
| 13:04.48 | Dewi | [J3di]: sure, but the other device is getting created okay |
| 13:04.57 | Dewi | [J3di]: so your udev isn't completely "frozen up" or anything |
| 13:05.11 | Dewi | [J3di]: I wouldn't worry too much about a symlink |
| 13:05.19 | *** join/#debian penguim (n=penguim@ubuntu/member/linuxba) |
| 13:05.37 | Dewi | [J3di]: to me it sounds something like... on boot that SATA module is granting geometry scans too early |
| 13:05.43 | [J3di] | yes but when i do fdisk /dev/mapper/vg-lv it gives me "Unable to read .." |
| 13:05.50 | Dewi | [J3di]: so udev creates only the primitive block device |
| 13:06.06 | Dewi | [J3di]: and you need to hdparm manually to update to the real partition table |
| 13:06.41 | Dewi | [J3di]: when I insert a USB or firewire the kernel emits a bunch of messages like "waiting for device to settle" and it waits a few seconds |
| 13:06.48 | Dewi | [J3di]: maybe your kernel module needs something like that too |
| 13:07.03 | enouf | abrotman: latest thing i heard that should help towards alleviating too much untested and broken stuff is "linux-next" (IIRC, the name - bah) |
| 13:07.21 | engla | abrotman: well _a_lot_ of people are working full time on the linux releases. I think we want to keep the workforce working there, since they work with actual releases (meaning the code has to have quality and stable). And vendors and intressents want to work there because it's a predictable and rather quick way to get code into the release. Would you put your employees to work on a speculative devel branch, or the next release from the stable development |
| 13:07.57 | Dewi | engla: too much newness without a devel branch starts to erode stability |
| 13:08.01 | enouf | abrotman: well, as far as completely radical changes, not sure that's the case now, but whatever |
| 13:08.07 | *** join/#debian koolhead17 (n=atul@220.227.149.144) |
| 13:08.17 | abrotman | engla: it depends .. if one of my employees had a great/radical idea that could really change the product and improve performance, etc .. you'd ignore it and keep going with current? |
| 13:08.38 | Dewi | abrotman: if you're my boss, definitely yes |
| 13:08.40 | enouf | notes abrotman is a closet zfs supporter |
| 13:08.41 | Optic | nope, it's just the one convict |
| 13:08.42 | Optic | oops |
| 13:08.43 | enouf | runs |
| 13:08.49 | engla | Dewi: there are devel branches for subsystems, and anyone can git his own branch for improving a particular feature. but pouring all nonstabilizing devel work into one tree has no sense |
| 13:09.01 | abrotman | enouf: it's not a bad sounding idea (zfs) .. i've not mucked with it yet |
| 13:09.11 | engla | better with one tree/branch for each nonfinished work (like new schedulers) |
| 13:09.14 | enouf | ;-) |
| 13:09.15 | Dewi | engla: fair point |
| 13:09.17 | abrotman | engla: it has plenty of sense |
| 13:10.23 | abrotman | engla: what if you're making changes to all the base systems at once .. a huge coordinated effort to change something about the way the kernel works .. you'd still prefer the current method? |
| 13:10.41 | abrotman | throws an egg at asg |
| 13:11.05 | epsilon | I work for first time with ndiswrapper under lenny, and I get modprobe: ndiswrapper not found error... but all ndiswrapper packages are installed? |
| 13:11.11 | engla | abrotman: at this point, it seems noone "dares" to maintain a fork of the linux kernel. the mainline progresses so fast and gets so much work done that you would miss too much. |
| 13:11.15 | [J3di] | Dewi, do you have an idea what should i do with the lvm refusing to be read by fdisk ? |
| 13:11.36 | epsilon | did I miss something? or do I need to compile vanilla from source... |
| 13:11.37 | engla | abrotman: I think it can be done in the current method. I don't know the kernel but I can't imagine why we would like to change everything and touch everything at once |
| 13:11.56 | enouf | Dewi: engla's points and my small one above about linux-next http://linux.f-seidel.de/linux-next/ pretty much addresses your concerns about stability and such, whereas i have no idea what that silly person abrotman is talking about :-P |
| 13:12.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 810] by debhelper |
| 13:12.08 | Dewi | [J3di]: LVMs don't normally contain partition tables |
| 13:12.14 | Dewi | [J3di]: so fdisk shouldn't be looking inside them |
| 13:12.15 | abrotman | engla: there could be a number of reasons |
| 13:12.23 | *** join/#debian namit (n=namit@83-70-241-72.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 13:12.24 | *** part/#debian linomix (n=dfgdg@77.42.180.34) |
| 13:12.33 | Dewi | [J3di]: well I guess you could put a partition table in one if you wanted, but afaik that normally lives outside |
| 13:12.34 | *** join/#debian kartofelek (n=kartofel@acdg68.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 13:12.36 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@123.115.248.234) |
| 13:12.39 | kartofelek | hi |
| 13:12.41 | abrotman | if this is such a great idea .. why aren't we on linux 0.1 still ? |
| 13:12.51 | Dewi | [J3di]: LVM allows you to manage virtualised block devices as much as you want, so it would seem odd to include a static partition table within |
| 13:13.07 | abchirk | thx abrotman ;) |
| 13:13.11 | *** join/#debian nkuttler (n=nicolas@dslb-084-058-196-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:14.12 | *** part/#debian kartofelek (n=kartofel@acdg68.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 13:14.15 | engla | abrotman: I'm pretty sure the current kernel has more than double amount of the code of 2.6.0. And still, version numbers mean nothing |
| 13:14.22 | abrotman | engla: if you're trying to maintain API, etc .. you can't do huge chagnes .. which as you pointed out, third party/closed vendors love .. but don't you think in the name of progress, something will have to break someday? |
| 13:14.51 | *** join/#debian smallGnome (n=Administ@bolt.funcom.com) |
| 13:15.00 | engla | abrotman: there is no api maintenence in the kernel! |
| 13:15.13 | Dewi | abrotman: from what engla is saying devel branches come and go for specific projects |
| 13:15.14 | enouf | [J3di]: cat /proc/partitions may show them as dm-xxx |
| 13:15.20 | abrotman | Dewi: i understand that |
| 13:15.23 | *** join/#debian nonno (n=nonno@ppp-12-117.33-151.iol.it) |
| 13:15.49 | Dewi | abrotman: if a particular feature had major integration issues, they could probably just create another one more like a classic devel kernel branch |
| 13:15.53 | abrotman | engla: so then vendors hate the current process .. there's no guarantee that .15 will have any remotely similar API to .16 |
| 13:15.54 | *** join/#debian nkuttler (n=nicolas@dslb-084-058-196-255.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:16.10 | abrotman | Dewi: that's what he's trying to say .. that a "dev" branch is useless now |
| 13:16.36 | abrotman | !ot |
| 13:16.36 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 13:16.37 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:16.55 | *** join/#debian jetblack (n=greg@h-67-100-155-74.mclnva23.covad.net) |
| 13:17.02 | enouf | omg, he's censoring himself .. :-p |
| 13:17.07 | Dewi | yeah but in #debian a "short while" can be as long as you like :) |
| 13:17.30 | abrotman | enouf: yeah .. i called a foul on myself .. and appropriately so :) |
| 13:17.50 | abrotman | it's a difference of opinion .. and no one is likely to agree |
| 13:18.03 | engla | fair enough.. it's a bit offtopic |
| 13:18.16 | Dewi | abrotman: if you see abrotman, tell him... I *forgive* him. |
| 13:18.22 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:19.42 | *** join/#debian derchris (n=derchris@87-194-89-163.bethere.co.uk) |
| 13:21.30 | *** part/#debian Bushmills (n=l@verhau.de) |
| 13:22.27 | *** join/#debian naiv (n=naiv@abo-31-17-69.bdx.modulonet.fr) |
| 13:23.47 | *** part/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 13:24.16 | *** join/#debian lvh (n=lvh@83.101.8.51) |
| 13:24.25 | lvh | hey. Whats the best way to send music across an ssh tunnel? |
| 13:24.39 | lvh | There's music on a box far away (too far for me to hear ;-)) which I can access why SSH. |
| 13:24.41 | lvh | I'd like to hear it locally. |
| 13:25.19 | *** part/#debian Ward1983 (n=ward@91.178.32.172) |
| 13:25.33 | *** join/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 13:25.34 | engla | cat it do /dev/dsp? :-P |
| 13:25.37 | engla | *it to |
| 13:25.48 | enouf | netcat :-p |
| 13:27.14 | *** join/#debian mirco (n=mirco@p54B244BD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:27.34 | engla | lvh: I think the 'mpd' program deals with this, but I do not use it myself |
| 13:27.49 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 13:28.10 | *** join/#debian zhylien (n=zhylien@81-208-106-64.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 13:28.38 | zhylien | \help |
| 13:28.41 | engla | lvh: you could also try if it works if you mount it with sshfs |
| 13:29.06 | cristina_crow | me |
| 13:29.21 | multi_io | ssh box cat /path/to/file.mp3 | mplayer - |
| 13:30.48 | enouf | heh, the Pentagon lost 1,000,000,000,000 USD .. lmao (yes, that's 1 Trillion; for you terabyters) |
| 13:31.39 | enouf | calls foul! on himself, in the name of ot ;-p |
| 13:31.49 | *** join/#debian phisher1 (n=phisher1@adsl-219-42-43.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 13:34.15 | *** join/#debian sig_sag (n=Karl_Pec@pD9E83FF5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:34.19 | *** join/#debian zOap (n=zOap@84.53.35.121) |
| 13:35.02 | cristina_crow | hello, can anyone see what I am writing? |
| 13:35.04 | cristina_crow | thanks... |
| 13:35.16 | asg | yes, we can see |
| 13:35.34 | cristina_crow | gosh, thanks..I think I have an issue with this pidgin |
| 13:35.52 | *** part/#debian malwasanderes (n=mallock@p54843C47.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:35.58 | *** join/#debian blameless (n=blameles@c-71-62-57-94.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 13:36.25 | Dewi | lvh: I tunnel cifs over ssh to listen to music |
| 13:36.47 | Dewi | lvh: but that's because I'm using windows on the client end |
| 13:37.15 | *** join/#debian fdd-0 (n=fdd@79.116.106.240) |
| 13:39.52 | *** join/#debian eternita (n=me@67.18.208.109) |
| 13:41.04 | *** join/#debian keith- (n=keith@adsl-214-37-121.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 13:42.32 | *** join/#debian dinya (n=dinya@net234-25.ertelecom.ru) |
| 13:42.55 | *** join/#debian mirezwer (n=mirezwer@252-172-222-85.adsl.verat.net) |
| 13:42.59 | ``y7 | how do i view the manual for remote desktop? |
| 13:43.02 | *** join/#debian IsaqueFD (n=isaquefd@201008013185.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 13:43.47 | *** part/#debian sig_sag (n=Karl_Pec@pD9E83FF5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:43.53 | jescis | For some strang reason I only have pcm for sound(nothing else shows up for the mixer in orpheus) O.o |
| 13:44.48 | cahoot | jescis: a hda-intel device? |
| 13:44.57 | *** join/#debian hudu (n=bodiddle@adsl-70-241-107-88.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 13:45.31 | jescis | I have an Ensonic PCI card |
| 13:45.38 | cahoot | jescis: does alsamixer show more controls? |
| 13:45.53 | xingu | abrotman: 2.7 has happened - see "linux-next"; and re: forks/ branches with longevity - there's a vibrant, commercial one - montavista linux. |
| 13:45.58 | hudu | How do you do addons for iceweasel? ... in particular, I want to do adblock |
| 13:46.08 | jescis | oh yeah! wait a sec. |
| 13:46.37 | ``y7 | how can i view the manual for remote desktop? |
| 13:46.37 | abrotman | xingu: AIUI .. that's not really "happened" as much stuff is pulled from there into 2.6 .. and convo has moved #debian-offtopic :) |
| 13:47.08 | *** join/#debian dex (n=dex@h69-129-38-38.plmomi.dedicated.static.tds.net) |
| 13:47.16 | *** join/#debian Biohazard (i=mahdi@blfd-4db511cb.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 13:48.40 | *** join/#debian sTb (n=stb@p54A46910.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:48.44 | sTb | hi i try to install php5-1-cli but Couldn't stat source package list http://people.debian.org php5.1/ isnt found, anyone knows where i can get php5.1-cli debian sarge deb package? |
| 13:49.09 | jescis | cahoot, it only shows PCM, and the card that shows up is "USB internet phone by Tigerjet" :/ |
| 13:49.28 | *** join/#debian Dianora (n=db@client-86-27-236-253.popl.adsl.virgin.net) |
| 13:49.35 | *** join/#debian godwin2 (n=Miranda@chello084113227157.18.14.vie.surfer.at) |
| 13:49.39 | cahoot | jescis: so that's not your soundcard |
| 13:49.48 | cahoot | jescis: try alsamixer -c1 |
| 13:50.06 | *** join/#debian unstable (i=unstable@tor/regular/sid) |
| 13:50.28 | jescis | cahoot, that worked |
| 13:50.37 | *** join/#debian fiendishfish (n=Fiendish@82-32-106-55.cable.ubr02.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 13:51.03 | cahoot | jescis: so your phone has become the default sounddevice - try asoundconf to change |
| 13:51.13 | *** join/#debian unop (n=unop@92-232-214-89.cable.ubr04.shef.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 13:51.23 | sTb | anyone knows a good deb rep for php5.1 ? dexters one isnt working :( |
| 13:51.32 | *** join/#debian grand_grunt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-40-245.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:51.35 | Deezire | How can I rsync all files but exclude some files with a spesific file ext? |
| 13:51.42 | *** join/#debian mrfree (n=mrfree@host58-181-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:52.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 821] by debhelper |
| 13:52.05 | mrfree | hi all |
| 13:52.29 | mrfree | where I can found a etch backport for pidgin-otr? |
| 13:52.50 | *** join/#debian Xanthor|aw (n=Xanthor@ALyon-257-1-46-116.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 13:53.05 | *** join/#debian mirco (n=mirco@p54B244BD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:53.14 | jescis | cahoot, command not found(Maybe I need to install it :/) |
| 13:54.32 | *** join/#debian mtn (n=mtn@dpc6746233034.direcpc.com) |
| 13:55.00 | cahoot | jescis: else edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base and set options <ensoniq_module_name> index=0 |
| 13:55.12 | NickPresta | Deezire, it is probably best to create a file (call it exclude.txt for example) which lists each file type like: *.txt on each line. Then, when doing rsync, you can do: rsync --exclude-from=exclude.txt ... |
| 13:56.05 | NickPresta | Deezire, alternately, if you only need 1 file extension, you can do, rsync --exclude=*.txt ... |
| 13:56.10 | sTb | anyone knows a good deb rep for php5.1 ? dexters one isnt working :( |
| 13:57.13 | NickPresta | sTb, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php5&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=sarge-backports |
| 13:57.18 | Deezire | NickPresta: ty |
| 13:57.22 | Deezire | work'd like a charm |
| 13:57.28 | *** join/#debian gravity (n=david@dsl092-079-075.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 13:57.30 | *** join/#debian chicobento (n=ponto-go@189.82.45.152) |
| 13:57.41 | grul | Do I have to have X installed on my server to run graphical programs with ssh -Y? I keep getting "cannot open display" when I try (I tried -X too, same problem) |
| 13:58.24 | pumpkin0 | grul: no. But you need a option set in sshd to allow X-over-ssh. |
| 13:58.39 | Wyzard | and you need the xauth program installed |
| 13:58.48 | grul | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.52 | Wyzard | which is in the xbase-clients package in lenny |
| 13:58.58 | Wyzard | oops, in etch |
| 13:59.06 | Wyzard | and the xauth package in lenny/sid |
| 13:59.09 | grul | I'll try xauth |
| 13:59.38 | Wyzard | Just install xbase-clients and try ssh -X again |
| 13:59.56 | *** join/#debian {Chris} (n=cdupont@abo-44-36-68.mts.modulonet.fr) |
| 14:00.26 | grul | mkay |
| 14:00.32 | *** part/#debian patrick-- (i=patrick@devnull.biz) |
| 14:02.12 | grul | oh, now it works |
| 14:02.17 | grul | thanks a bunch |
| 14:05.03 | Deezire | NickPresta: |
| 14:05.04 | Deezire | omfg# rsync -avzr --exclude=*cyt /home/makk/ xend.no:/home/makk |
| 14:05.04 | Deezire | rsync: No match. |
| 14:05.22 | Deezire | Tried with building a list using locate *.cyt | grep /home/makk > exclude.txt |
| 14:05.30 | Deezire | and use --exclude-from=<file> |
| 14:05.40 | Deezire | But it transferred .cyt-files anyway |
| 14:06.00 | sTb | NickPresta thanks but where can i download them? i klick on download but it leads nowhere :( |
| 14:06.10 | *** part/#debian re1 (n=rreepp@AMontpellier-257-1-7-132.w86-202.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:06.25 | *** part/#debian unstable (i=unstable@tor/regular/sid) |
| 14:06.59 | *** join/#debian dendrite (n=ph@dsl092-150-203.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 14:07.32 | *** join/#debian zOap (n=zOap@84.53.35.121) |
| 14:08.09 | NickPresta | Deezire, try: rsync --exclude *.cyt -avzr /home/makk/ xend.no:/home/makk |
| 14:08.14 | lvh | engla: sshfs fit the bill, thanks |
| 14:08.19 | *** join/#debian umg-weg (n=umgeher@c934d9d8.virtua.com.br) |
| 14:08.22 | Deezire | aah, ofcourse |
| 14:08.27 | Deezire | syntax error from my side. :) |
| 14:08.39 | Deezire | *should have read the man-pages one more time* |
| 14:08.52 | orveldv_ | does anyone know some window manager / DE that can provide 2 horizontal panels (top & bottom), beside kde,gnome,xfce? |
| 14:08.57 | NickPresta | heh. I made that same mistake too :) |
| 14:09.49 | lvh | orveldv_: whats stopping you from using an external panel? |
| 14:09.49 | namit | orveldv_: is it not your graphics card that does all that ? |
| 14:09.49 | amphi | orveldv_: you could use xfce4-panel with the wm of your choice |
| 14:09.49 | lvh | orveldv_: fbpanel/trayer/pypanel or whatever |
| 14:10.12 | orveldv_ | lvh: yep, that's an option, thanks |
| 14:10.28 | orveldv_ | amphi: yes, but it's too heavy for me |
| 14:10.39 | lvh | xfce4-panel is too heavy? |
| 14:10.40 | orveldv_ | too many deps |
| 14:10.53 | amphi | orveldv_: uhuh - there are many other panels out there |
| 14:11.01 | lvh | why do you want 2 panels anyway |
| 14:11.05 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 14:11.05 | lvh | I have zero and I do fine :p |
| 14:11.38 | orveldv_ | I'm building a very light desktop, no gtk, no qt, (ok I have gtk1 around) |
| 14:11.47 | *** join/#debian mishok13 (n=gdmfsob@92.112.78.114) |
| 14:11.49 | *** join/#debian rpedro__ (n=rpedro@87-196-30-201.net.novis.pt) |
| 14:11.54 | lvh | what deps does xfce4 have that you won't want anywya? exo-utils, libexo, |
| 14:11.57 | lvh | orveldv_: okay |
| 14:11.59 | *** join/#debian hollywoodb (n=wade@nat1.aero.und.edu) |
| 14:12.02 | lvh | orveldv_: get xmonad/wmii/dwm? |
| 14:12.08 | amphi | I ran xfce4-panel for a bit, and found I almost never used it, so it has gone |
| 14:12.11 | lvh | doesn't get much lighter :P |
| 14:12.18 | *** join/#debian grand_gr2nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-4-165.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:12.34 | lastnode | orveldv_: ratpoison! |
| 14:12.48 | lvh | xmonad is in haskell! |
| 14:13.02 | orveldv_ | ok thanks guys, now I have a lot of things to check :-) |
| 14:13.49 | Dewi | does ntfs-3g avoid upsetting the journal and triggering chkdsk these days? |
| 14:14.05 | lvh | orveldv_: step 1. get xmonad step 2. receive happiness |
| 14:14.50 | NickPresta | Dewi, latest versions should |
| 14:15.04 | orveldv_ | lvh: hmm ; really? Then I have to try it, along with ratpoison |
| 14:15.11 | Dewi | NickPresta: I am thinking of trying that "ubuntu within windows" thing |
| 14:15.23 | Dewi | NickPresta: well within a windows filesys anyway |
| 14:15.24 | NickPresta | Dewi, wubi? |
| 14:15.27 | Dewi | NickPresta: yah |
| 14:15.31 | lvh | orveldv_: well, I personally use dwm because I'm used to it -- I enjoy hacking away at xmonad because it's in Haskell |
| 14:15.39 | lastnode | lvh: im actually just goolging it, and finding it interesting. but what would make me move from ratpoison? |
| 14:15.50 | Dewi | NickPresta: as far as NTFS writes go it should be very basic, since it would never need to touch metadata, just write to a single file |
| 14:15.54 | lvh | lastnode: haskell! |
| 14:16.01 | lvh | lastnode: oh, and in my case, decent xinerama/xrandr support. |
| 14:16.04 | jescis | cahoot, fyi that "usb internet phone by tiger" is really know as magicjack. |
| 14:16.16 | lastnode | lvh: what does xrandr do? |
| 14:16.26 | Dewi | lastnode: lets you change resolution and stuff on the fly |
| 14:16.30 | *** join/#debian bluesceada_ (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 14:16.33 | lvh | lastnode: rotate screens, in my case |
| 14:16.43 | cahoot | jescis: creative namegiving |
| 14:17.05 | lvh | lastnode: I make a lot of documents, I have a 1920x1400 screen that I rotate :) |
| 14:17.14 | Dewi | lvh: cute |
| 14:17.24 | Dewi | lvh: I've seen so many photos of devs doing that |
| 14:17.39 | Dewi | lvh: I just have ~ 3000 pixel wide area |
| 14:17.58 | lvh | Dewi: eh, me too? |
| 14:18.03 | lvh | Dewi: got two of those next to each other |
| 14:18.14 | Dewi | lvh: urgh well my screens are 1050 high not 1400 |
| 14:18.16 | lvh | Dewi: its the height I care about |
| 14:18.19 | *** join/#debian raxyx (n=raxyx@091-141-000-099.dyn.one.at) |
| 14:18.31 | *** join/#debian creitos (n=creitos@nat1.inalambrica.net) |
| 14:18.36 | Dewi | lvh: 1680x1050 is the biggest I've seen |
| 14:18.46 | Dewi | lvh: how big are those panels? |
| 14:18.47 | jescis | cahoot, if only it didn't interfere with alsa or(in windoze) being thought of as a mp3/usb/mass storage device :p |
| 14:18.50 | lvh | Dewi: 24" |
| 14:19.09 | Dewi | lvh: ah I have 20s and 22s |
| 14:19.13 | Dewi | lvh: perhaps next time... |
| 14:19.18 | lvh | Dewi: and one 60" er |
| 14:19.23 | lvh | Dewi: pioneer kuro elite |
| 14:19.28 | lvh | Dewi: for movies. |
| 14:19.29 | lastnode | would love to see an ion/ratpoison/xmonad |
| 14:19.35 | cahoot | jescis: just give you real soundcard index 0 to alsa |
| 14:19.38 | Dewi | lvh: how much does that cost? |
| 14:19.47 | lvh | Dewi: are you sure you want to know? ;-) |
| 14:19.54 | *** join/#debian grand_gr1nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-78-65.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:19.56 | Dewi | lvh: interested to compare to my projector :) |
| 14:19.58 | gravity | lastnode: They're not much to look at. |
| 14:20.05 | Dewi | lvh: it seems to me that projection is cheaper when you get that big |
| 14:20.13 | Dewi | lvh: of course the quality is not equal but it's close |
| 14:20.15 | lvh | Dewi: 7 kilodollars for a decent kuro. |
| 14:20.15 | *** join/#debian Hara1 (n=user@AAubervilliers-151-1-81-48.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:20.21 | Dewi | lvh: as long as you're viewing at night |
| 14:20.57 | lvh | Dewi: I have a PRO-150FD |
| 14:21.02 | lvh | Dewi: which is about 7k. |
| 14:21.37 | *** join/#debian skeletal (i=edbsd@unaffiliated/skeletal) |
| 14:21.41 | *** join/#debian solid_li` (n=solid_li@unaffiliated/solidliq) |
| 14:21.51 | lvh | Dewi: how much was your beamer |
| 14:22.02 | Dewi | lvh: under 3k AUD I think |
| 14:22.11 | lvh | heh. |
| 14:22.22 | lvh | okay, you win :( |
| 14:22.29 | lvh | Dewi: whats your projection surface though? |
| 14:22.34 | lvh | (I'm looking at 60") |
| 14:22.38 | *** join/#debian solid_li` (n=solid_li@unaffiliated/solidliq) |
| 14:22.59 | *** part/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 14:23.05 | *** part/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) |
| 14:23.05 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) |
| 14:23.08 | Dewi | lvh: must be nearly 2 years ago... for that you can get a decent LCD and avoid DLP rainbows and stuff. I have a white wall, must be 3-4 metres wide |
| 14:23.15 | *** join/#debian Southern (n=Southern@80.174.14.85.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 14:23.19 | *** part/#debian Hara1 (n=user@AAubervilliers-151-1-81-48.w83-199.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:23.25 | Dewi | lvh: my resolution isn't great though, 1280x720 |
| 14:23.28 | *** join/#debian shyam_k (n=user@117.196.131.223) |
| 14:23.28 | Southern | Hi! |
| 14:23.31 | *** join/#debian WormFood (n=wormfood@116.25.72.91) |
| 14:23.43 | Dewi | lvh: and it's obviously not going to let me use blu-ray |
| 14:23.54 | Dewi | lvh: know if that's been sufficiently hacked to be useable without HDMI? |
| 14:24.05 | lvh | Dewi: well, yes and no |
| 14:24.21 | Dewi | and I mean, practically useable, not "if you're buying a recent title wait a few months for a leaked key" :) |
| 14:24.27 | Dewi | that doesn't sound so great :P |
| 14:24.33 | lvh | Dewi: my denon does it |
| 14:24.41 | lvh | Dewi: but the quality makes you want to jump off a bridge |
| 14:24.55 | lvh | Dewi: as in, I have SVHS'es that are equally good |
| 14:25.00 | Dewi | lvh: well the downsampled quality level is eerily similar to just using a DVD |
| 14:25.19 | *** join/#debian LaicepS (i=laiceps@bgl93-1-82-67-184-230.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 14:25.19 | Dewi | lvh: so I don't see the point. I love HD but I can't actually get any of it legally |
| 14:25.23 | lvh | Dewi: worse than dvd in my experience but that might just be the denon |
| 14:25.29 | *** join/#debian lobao (i=humberto@189.32.35.45) |
| 14:25.51 | Dewi | lvh: unless I want to watch local broadcast HDTV, which frankly I don't |
| 14:25.57 | lvh | Dewi: haha :p |
| 14:26.04 | skeletal | hi friends. I have a doubt about security in linux. For example, a attack Man-in-the-Middle (dsniff e hunt...) only are for to sniff local network OR is possible to sniff others distance network? |
| 14:26.13 | lvh | Dewi: I get DiscoveryChannel/NationalGeographic in 1080p |
| 14:26.24 | Dewi | lvh: in australia we have approx 4 channels |
| 14:26.32 | Dewi | lvh: unless you get cable of course |
| 14:26.42 | NickPresta | lvh, DIscovery looks awesome in 1080p, doesn't it? |
| 14:26.46 | lvh | skeletal: you can't see packets that your computer never physically picks up |
| 14:26.52 | lvh | NickPresta: I think so :-) |
| 14:26.56 | Dewi | lvh: I dunno what the state is of high def cable, it wasn't great last time I checked, they use ridiculously low bitrates |
| 14:27.01 | NickPresta | :) |
| 14:27.03 | lvh | Dewi: I'm on sat |
| 14:27.05 | Dewi | lvh: to cram in more crap channels |
| 14:27.27 | lvh | Dewi: HOT-BIRD to be precise, but you cant get that in .au |
| 14:27.31 | lvh | Dewi: http://www.eutelsat.com/satellites/13ehb6.html |
| 14:27.33 | jescis | cahoot, the alsa modprobe file is massive. I can't figure out what to add where. :/ |
| 14:27.35 | *** join/#debian grand_gr3nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-49-254.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:27.45 | skeletal | lvh: Oh great infornation, man. Thanks |
| 14:28.36 | lvh | skeletal: I hope you're not being sarcastic. I found the idea that dsniff could see packets on the other side of the world in a network that isn't linked on *any* layer to yours quite ludicrous :p |
| 14:28.38 | *** join/#debian lftl (n=spanky@adsl-240-118-215.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:28.45 | cahoot | jescis: got to the end/bottom of the file |
| 14:29.37 | cahoot | jescis: there are a few lines like options snd-via82xx-modem index=-2 |
| 14:29.43 | Dewi | skeletal: and sniffing isn't the same as a man-in-the-middle attack |
| 14:30.05 | lvh | Dewi: my internal parser ignored the mitm bit |
| 14:30.33 | cahoot | jescis: you want something like: options <name_of_your_ensoniq_module_name> index=0 |
| 14:30.44 | *** join/#debian muh2000_ (n=muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000) |
| 14:30.46 | Dewi | skeletal: sniffing is passively spying and is defeated by decent crypto; man in the middle can work against crypto by putting yourself in place as a "proxy" and is defeated by digital signing / certs / trust networks |
| 14:31.09 | jescis | cahoot, oh ok. |
| 14:31.13 | lvh | skeletal: sniffing is simply looking at packets that would have otherwise been discarded |
| 14:31.36 | *** join/#debian and][ng (n=and][ng@213-156-49-141.fastres.net) |
| 14:31.38 | lvh | skeletal: MITM is actively pretending to be "the other party" in a standard "Alice talks to Bob" setup :-) |
| 14:31.39 | and][ng | hello |
| 14:31.42 | jescis | must first read book on how to add a line using vi. |
| 14:31.51 | Dewi | jescis: or press o |
| 14:32.00 | *** join/#debian marvil07 (n=marvil07@64.76.110.195) |
| 14:32.13 | Dewi | or, well, enter while in insert mode! |
| 14:32.31 | Dewi | these days you hit 'i' and vim is basically notepad |
| 14:32.43 | cahoot | hmm - 'basically' |
| 14:32.45 | Dewi | especially in the windows version |
| 14:32.55 | Dewi | where all the standard shortcuts work |
| 14:33.01 | lvh | Dewi: when I press escape % in windows, nothing happens |
| 14:33.17 | lvh | Dewi: and after that, nothing continued to happen for a while. |
| 14:33.19 | lvh | anyway |
| 14:33.23 | lvh | I got studying I should be doing |
| 14:33.23 | lvh | bye! |
| 14:33.24 | Dewi | lvh: it does in vim |
| 14:33.42 | Dewi | lvh: as long as you're not using the really newb-friendly mode where it's locked in insert mode! |
| 14:33.52 | *** join/#debian grand_gr4nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-59-196.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:34.31 | lvh | Dewi: wine --window-title="vim" notepad.exe? |
| 14:34.44 | Dewi | lvh: cruel |
| 14:35.10 | *** join/#debian sysop2 (n=sysop@68-242-177-95.area7.spcsdns.net) |
| 14:35.18 | lvh | Dewi: if you think that's cruel you should see my torture room |
| 14:35.25 | lvh | Dewi: anyway, I'm really going now, bye |
| 14:35.37 | Dewi | . o O ( interlaced video ) |
| 14:36.53 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@cl-2502.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) |
| 14:37.29 | *** join/#debian dinya (n=dinya@net234-25.ertelecom.ru) |
| 14:37.58 | *** join/#debian Dako-kun (n=dako@F3383.f.strato-dslnet.de) |
| 14:40.24 | chicobento | python-central 0.6, Where to find? |
| 14:41.42 | *** join/#debian Xenguy (n=gnu@206-248-151-3.dsl.ncf.ca) |
| 14:41.50 | lvh | chicobento: 0.6.6 is in sid |
| 14:41.57 | *** join/#debian aleksanteri (n=cogwheel@dsl-sjkbrasgw2-fef8f800-254.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 14:42.02 | chicobento | LV-426, etch |
| 14:42.44 | lvh | chicobento: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 14:42.47 | lvh | chicobento: apt pinning |
| 14:42.55 | lvh | chicobento: stay etch, but fetch one or two packages from unstable |
| 14:42.59 | *** join/#debian macuser-_ (n=Hanif@CPE0012171a3a07-CM0014e8b55f46.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 14:43.22 | jescis | cahoot, I know this ain't windows... But, alsa mixer still shows the other one. Do I have to reboot? |
| 14:43.30 | *** join/#debian esaym (n=user@cpe-70-120-89-6.satx.res.rr.com) |
| 14:43.40 | *** join/#debian Cobra^^ (n=aa@Ua4db.u.pppool.de) |
| 14:43.41 | chicobento | LV-426, ok, tkz |
| 14:43.47 | lvh | chicobento: I'm not LV-426 |
| 14:43.49 | chicobento | ops |
| 14:43.54 | cahoot | jescis: (as root) alsa force-reload |
| 14:43.59 | chicobento | lvh, :) ok |
| 14:44.38 | *** join/#debian DJF6 (n=lol@84-105-201-37.cable.quicknet.nl) |
| 14:44.50 | lvh | chicobento: you know, lvh and lv<TAB> are the same amount of keystrokes :p |
| 14:45.31 | chicobento | :) |
| 14:47.08 | jescis | cahoot, alsa isn't recognized as a command. |
| 14:47.32 | lvh | jescis: he means alsactl |
| 14:47.33 | *** join/#debian peacenik (n=chatzill@142-217-82-232.telebecinternet.net) |
| 14:47.43 | cahoot | jescis: try invoke-rc.d alsa(-base) force-reload |
| 14:48.02 | chicobento | lvh, python-central (>= 0.6) mas 0.5.12 :( |
| 14:48.38 | ``y7 | i need to setup little games like solitare, freecell, snood, minesweeper, etc for my grandma on her computer. where can i find games like this? (none of the first person shooter, etc games, just the really simple ones) |
| 14:49.04 | *** join/#debian muh2000__ (n=muh2000@pc2.rockstation.mooo.com) |
| 14:49.12 | *** join/#debian Blast_Hardcheese (n=Blast@dsl092-032-215.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 14:49.15 | cahoot | lvhno Imeant alsa |
| 14:49.21 | Deezire | whats the russian developed httpd-server again? |
| 14:49.32 | Dewi | ``y7: what's your desktop environment? gnome? |
| 14:49.36 | ``y7 | yes |
| 14:49.41 | cahoot | lvh no I meant alsa - but might be lenny and later only |
| 14:49.52 | Dewi | ``y7: gnome-games |
| 14:50.03 | ``y7 | apt-get install gnome-games? |
| 14:50.08 | Dewi | yup |
| 14:50.14 | ``y7 | awesome, thanks :) |
| 14:50.15 | Dewi | that should add some stuff |
| 14:50.48 | [J3di] | if i dont start udev at boottime (i delete the /etc/init.d/udev*) will the /dev directory still be created using more primitive way ? |
| 14:51.16 | *** join/#debian m4ggus (n=marcus@p5B0361E5.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:51.19 | *** join/#debian elagar (n=elagar@200.8.161.240) |
| 14:51.51 | elagar | hi... what media player do you recommend? im using xmms2 but the clients are very simple... |
| 14:52.02 | Dewi | [J3di]: why fix a minor problem with udev by destroying udev? |
| 14:52.11 | Dewi | [J3di]: I don't think that will work well, but I don't really know for sure |
| 14:52.16 | Southern | elagar, amarok definitely ! |
| 14:52.25 | [J3di] | i still cant get my lvm online |
| 14:52.51 | [J3di] | i'm getting the followign errors on dmesg after setting up the lvm: |
| 14:52.54 | [J3di] | device-mapper: table: 253:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed |
| 14:52.54 | [J3di] | device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table |
| 14:53.16 | [J3di] | tried googling for it but nothing that helps me |
| 14:53.46 | *** join/#debian grand_gr1nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-25-95.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 14:55.42 | jescis | cahoot, that worked thanks to all you alls help :) |
| 14:56.04 | jescis | Dewi, same goes to you |
| 14:56.05 | cahoot | enjoy |
| 14:56.15 | Dewi | jescis: np |
| 14:56.54 | Dewi | [J3di]: oh |
| 14:57.01 | *** join/#debian keta (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 14:57.03 | Dewi | [J3di]: I thought you had a mapper device node |
| 14:57.08 | Dewi | [J3di]: for the LV |
| 14:57.53 | *** join/#debian sparr (n=sparr@adsl-074-244-048-058.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) |
| 14:58.14 | [J3di] | what do you mean mapper device node ? |
| 14:59.20 | *** join/#debian ootput (n=ootput@unaffiliated/ootput) |
| 15:01.59 | *** join/#debian mooperd (i=3f871c69@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-4a1c61c1e5cb9f8f) |
| 15:03.17 | mooperd | hi guys, sorry this is a question about ubuntu but for some reason I cant join the ubuntu channel. I am going into the wilds of canada to set up a pc with a dial up connection. Is the standard install of ubuntu likely to just work with the modem r should I take more stuff? |
| 15:03.26 | mooperd | kubuntu rather |
| 15:03.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | yes, its an ubuntu question |
| 15:03.48 | stew | mooperd: ask #ubuntu-ops about why you can't join the #ubuntu channel |
| 15:03.49 | *** join/#debian Kalli (n=Kalli@pD9E6016A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:03.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | its /very much/ an ubuntu question. if you cant ... |
| 15:03.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew beat meto it |
| 15:04.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | *grin* |
| 15:04.24 | mooperd | Im on a web client thingy |
| 15:04.27 | mooperd | mibbit? |
| 15:04.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | you can still join #ubuntu-ops |
| 15:05.03 | *** join/#debian Blissex3 (n=Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 15:05.17 | mooperd | ta |
| 15:05.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | good luck |
| 15:05.38 | lastnode | Kamping_Kaiser: we're getting upstream started again btw |
| 15:06.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | lastnode, cool! |
| 15:06.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | i should probably add it to my autojoin then ;) |
| 15:06.22 | *** join/#debian p3rti (n=ivan@190.96.131.196) |
| 15:06.37 | *** join/#debian minus198 (n=asdf@c83-250-75-181.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 15:06.46 | *** join/#debian HSorgYves (n=HSorgYve@unaffiliated/pi/x-000000001) |
| 15:06.47 | lastnode | Kamping_Kaiser: meeting ont eh 10th of may |
| 15:06.50 | lastnode | first after ages :) |
| 15:07.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | lastnode, what time? |
| 15:07.29 | HSorgYves | using command prompt apt-get, can i somehow show which source a package is in for the list apt-get upgrade outputs? |
| 15:08.08 | lastnode | Kamping_Kaiser: one sec, gimme your address again? |
| 15:08.14 | *** join/#debian dinya (n=dinya@net234-63.ertelecom.ru) |
| 15:08.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | lastnode, -> #upstream :) |
| 15:08.39 | lastnode | Kamping_Kaiser: the internode one? |
| 15:08.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | lastnode, got a new one |
| 15:09.03 | *** join/#debian dpm (n=dpm@p54A10159.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 15:09.35 | *** join/#debian picole (n=picole@222.69.93.7) |
| 15:10.05 | *** join/#debian LeGreffi3R (n=greffier@089156169101.chello.fr) |
| 15:10.14 | *** join/#debian nick01 (i=1000@91.123.7.40) |
| 15:11.07 | nick01 | could anybody point me to a guide for setting up a mail server on debian ? something like qmailrocks or qmail toaster would be ideal :) |
| 15:11.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | qmail? |
| 15:12.03 | nick01 | Kamping_Kaiser, that or postfix or whatever, the easier to setup the better :) |
| 15:12.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | nick01, exim4 is easy to setup, if you have an easy setup :) |
| 15:12.31 | *** join/#debian jeronim (n=jj@wikipedia/jeronim) |
| 15:12.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg (the bot here) may have some factoids on mailserver setups |
| 15:12.40 | dpkg | Kamping_Kaiser: wish i knew |
| 15:12.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, mailserver |
| 15:12.47 | dpkg | Kamping_Kaiser: bugger all, i dunno |
| 15:12.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg, exim4 |
| 15:12.52 | dpkg | hmm... exim4 is the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 15:13.01 | *** join/#debian raxyx (n=raxyx@091-141-000-099.dyn.one.at) |
| 15:13.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | silly bot |
| 15:13.14 | *** join/#debian Metal_Militia (n=ioppo@host-84-223-228-161.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 15:13.30 | nick01 | Kamping_Kaiser, ok, it comes with debian too so would be nice but I'd need a guide or something- lets see but not sure thats a guide link |
| 15:14.21 | *** join/#debian usn (n=usn@p54934795.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:14.41 | maligor | or if you have a extremely simple setup, choose sendmail, it makes even the simple complex! |
| 15:14.54 | nick01 | lol |
| 15:15.19 | *** join/#debian Fox_ (n=action@222.131.164.75) |
| 15:17.57 | *** join/#debian DaRtH_VaDeR (n=anakin@unaffiliated/darthvader/x-892375) |
| 15:18.38 | *** join/#debian grand_grunt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-13-23.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:18.41 | *** join/#debian zOap (n=zOap@84.53.35.121) |
| 15:19.22 | *** join/#debian nkuttler_ (n=nicolas@dslb-084-059-000-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:19.35 | *** join/#debian humbolto (n=elias@ext.asb-online.at) |
| 15:21.07 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 15:21.37 | Mazingaro | please any sun/sparc expert? I got a problem: Fast Data Access MMU Miss |
| 15:22.19 | *** join/#debian xlotlu (n=john@92.80.198.103) |
| 15:22.30 | humbolto | what can I not do with debian etch's Xen? |
| 15:22.43 | *** join/#debian blameless (n=blameles@c-71-62-57-94.hsd1.va.comcast.net) |
| 15:25.05 | *** join/#debian minus198_ (n=asdf@c83-250-75-181.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 15:25.33 | *** part/#debian SparFux (n=raoul@e182016049.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:25.40 | *** join/#debian raxyx (n=raxyx@091-141-000-099.dyn.one.at) |
| 15:26.35 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@cl-2502.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) |
| 15:26.51 | *** join/#debian B-ker (i=beker@189.193.77.214) |
| 15:28.19 | *** join/#debian b0h (n=jheeney@66-189-66-211.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 15:29.58 | orveldv_ | it seems dpkg doesn't have an answer to my question - using aptitude, how can i uninstall a package on which depends a metapackage? for instance, I want to uninstall kpovmodeler, but then kdegraphics will be removed, and unfortunatelly a lot of other kde graphical progs. |
| 15:30.08 | asg | humbolto: do live migrations without shared storage (a. la. openvz) |
| 15:30.48 | *** join/#debian funkyou (n=janm@e179132105.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:31.58 | *** join/#debian nick01 (i=1000@91.123.7.40) |
| 15:32.35 | *** join/#debian mag_mor (n=blob@vpn-1541.swh.uni-giessen.de) |
| 15:33.06 | hoxu | orveldv_, use aptitude gui, and from the preview window, mark the packages that you want to keep as manually installed |
| 15:33.10 | *** join/#debian jakub (n=jkb@r3t210.net.upc.cz) |
| 15:34.10 | orveldv_ | hoxu: ok I guess I should get familiar with the gui too. Thanks |
| 15:36.26 | *** join/#debian lkthomas (n=lkthomas@210.3.232.190) |
| 15:36.31 | humbolto | asg: who can do live migrations without shared storage? that sounds a bit like magic. |
| 15:36.56 | *** join/#debian lkthomas_ (n=lkthomas@210.3.232.190) |
| 15:37.45 | asg | humbolto: openvz does. Basically rsync over ssh and checkpoint the running kernel once IO drops to a certain threshold. |
| 15:38.11 | asg | humbolto: granted, I wouldn't use it to migrate a large disk but it's useful for application servers that don't do a lot of IO |
| 15:38.31 | *** join/#debian chrisvve (i=michela@190.154.98.90) |
| 15:39.22 | *** join/#debian MrNaz (n=MrNaz@p6233-adslbkksp7.C.csloxinfo.net) |
| 15:40.22 | humbolto | asg: A bit to expreimental that sounds to me. Anyhow, what I am looking for is a stable Xen solution. All I need it perfect 64bit host and guest support, on the fly memory and cpu allocation at best. |
| 15:40.40 | humbolto | asg: I had a backported Xen 3.1 on etch so far. |
| 15:40.54 | *** join/#debian CaNeS (i=SuSE@bas4-montreal02-1096735828.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 15:40.59 | humbolto | asg: But that did not perform all that well. And it died once. |
| 15:41.29 | humbolto | asg: Now I have a backported Xen 3.2, which died on me yesterday complaining about SMP. |
| 15:42.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 828] by debhelper |
| 15:42.12 | humbolto | asg: Do you have any recommendations? Or does anybody else? I would even go for another distro for my dom0. |
| 15:42.57 | *** join/#debian CalJohn (n=pg99@87-194-236-208.bethere.co.uk) |
| 15:43.26 | asg | humbolto: I use Xen in production and haven't seen too much instability thought that was with 32bit systems. I'm going to start looking at KVM more closely though. OpenVZ is very stable but not suitable for certain workloads. |
| 15:44.23 | *** join/#debian magic_bean (n=magicbea@206.246.148.16) |
| 15:44.33 | humbolto | asg: KVM by concept must be slower than Xen, true? |
| 15:44.49 | maligor | openvz is parallels supported huh |
| 15:45.10 | asg | humbolto: it's a bit slower but work on optimization continues. It will likely be comparable soon. |
| 15:45.28 | asg | maligor: they sell a commercial version called Virtuozzo. |
| 15:45.35 | *** join/#debian emil|k (i=emil@e179236049.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:45.57 | maligor | seems like more and more companies have started to do that |
| 15:46.11 | humbolto | asg: virtuozzo is something different as far as I know! |
| 15:46.14 | asg | maligor: it's a decent model. |
| 15:46.32 | asg | humbolto: it is an extended version of the work done on the openvz patches |
| 15:46.57 | humbolto | asg: thought that was more like the vserver stuff |
| 15:47.24 | asg | humbolto: no, it's openvz with some additional 'enterprise' type features. |
| 15:47.30 | *** join/#debian grand_gr1nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-78-214.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:47.35 | *** join/#debian icekold (n=ice@124-169-154-114.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 15:47.41 | asg | maligor: KVM underlies Qumranet's products (SolidICE, etc) |
| 15:48.06 | *** join/#debian shellito (n=shellito@200.122.232.15) |
| 15:48.20 | *** join/#debian Mamanga (n=Carlo@host155.201-253-54.telecom.net.ar) |
| 15:48.30 | maligor | lots of non-vm products that do that too |
| 15:48.31 | *** join/#debian dinya (n=dinya@net234-63.ertelecom.ru) |
| 15:49.16 | *** join/#debian CharminTheMoose (n=Count_fu@unaffiliated/charminthemoose) |
| 15:49.38 | *** join/#debian itchi (n=David@unaffiliated/itchi) |
| 15:49.58 | *** join/#debian b0ha (n=boha@unaffiliated/b0ha) |
| 15:53.04 | and][ng | mm do I need some xorg-dev package to compile programs? |
| 15:54.09 | and][ng | I've just vncserve on this box and irsim won't build with x11 support |
| 15:55.26 | *** join/#debian milardovich (n=milardov@host2.190-224-118.telecom.net.ar) |
| 15:55.31 | *** join/#debian factor (n=factor@ip68-14-160-70.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 15:55.39 | extor | What is the best website to get information on current and recent linux vulnerabilities? |
| 15:55.43 | *** join/#debian gukk_devel (n=gukk_dev@xdsl-213-196-244-237.netcologne.de) |
| 15:55.47 | *** join/#debian shellito (n=shellito@200.122.232.15) |
| 15:56.06 | factor | does debian have a way to save all the packages you have installed so you can set it up to have another system get the same package list |
| 15:57.00 | *** join/#debian aleksanteri (n=cogwheel@dsl-sjkbrasgw2-fef8f800-254.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 15:57.16 | extor | /var/apt/cache has the packages I fink |
| 15:57.32 | extor | and there is a command to dump currently installed packages too...and reinstall them |
| 15:58.09 | *** join/#debian funkyou_ (n=janm@e179133180.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:58.19 | *** join/#debian streuner (n=streuner@p54A5FA0C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:59.09 | *** join/#debian p3rti (n=ivan@190.96.131.196) |
| 15:59.11 | *** join/#debian macuser-_ (n=Hanif@CPE0012171a3a07-CM0014e8b55f46.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 15:59.14 | factor | know what the command is |
| 16:00.05 | *** join/#debian action09 (n=action09@cha92-11-82-243-247-36.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 16:01.32 | *** join/#debian chaataka (n=chaataka@77-85-190-223.btc-net.bg) |
| 16:02.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 835] by debhelper |
| 16:02.01 | mbroeker | factor, dpkg -l | awk '{ print $2 }' | sort > install.txt |
| 16:02.03 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 16:02.03 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 16:02.07 | factor | thanks |
| 16:02.56 | factor | orks great |
| 16:02.58 | factor | w^ |
| 16:04.11 | *** join/#debian fukas (n=Dmitriy@78.31.183.42) |
| 16:04.51 | *** join/#debian radhios (n=radhios@unaffiliated/radhios) |
| 16:05.26 | CalJohn | woah, i didn't know dpkg could do that. I've always used awk to make lists of packages to install |
| 16:05.59 | *** part/#debian chrisvve (i=michela@190.154.98.90) |
| 16:07.05 | *** join/#debian nkuttler_ (n=nicolas@dslb-084-059-006-247.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:08.06 | *** join/#debian Paivakil (n=paivakil@unaffiliated/paivakil) |
| 16:10.37 | *** join/#debian dvs (n=cwv@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 16:11.18 | *** join/#debian solid_li` (n=solid_li@unaffiliated/solidliq) |
| 16:11.28 | *** join/#debian pihhan (n=pihhan@pihhan.cipis.net) |
| 16:12.26 | Paivakil | I have /boot on a separate disk (/dev/hda), which seems to have failed and is unreadable. cfdisk /dev/hda fails, and running hdparm -I gives 0 disk size. The question now is, how do I re-create /boot/ on my working disk, which is /dev/hdc/ ? even "ls /boot" is failing |
| 16:13.46 | and][ng | Cannot find X11---will attempt to compile anyway. |
| 16:13.51 | and][ng | mm |
| 16:14.32 | *** join/#debian floe (n=flo@i59F72700.versanet.de) |
| 16:14.34 | *** join/#debian K_Dallas (i=Korben@i209-195-85-58.cia.com) |
| 16:15.18 | abrotman | x-dev ? |
| 16:15.29 | *** join/#debian KomiaPoika (n=prkl@host-212-68-222-7.brutele.be) |
| 16:15.34 | KomiaPoika | hi |
| 16:16.07 | *** part/#debian Mantaar (n=Mantaar@mendelssohn.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 16:16.12 | KomiaPoika | i installed debian with crypted lvm on the first hard drive. after install how do i make another crypted fs manually on the second hard drive, to mount it as, say, /home2? |
| 16:16.13 | mbroeker | you need the libx11-dev package to compile from source. |
| 16:16.30 | and][ng | abrotman xorg-dev ? |
| 16:16.37 | and][ng | I'm trying at least, I installed libx11-dev |
| 16:16.49 | *** join/#debian jeff_hann (n=arares@89.40.98.185) |
| 16:17.01 | abrotman | or that |
| 16:17.20 | *** join/#debian poopotootti (i=mhirvola@shell.paivola.fi) |
| 16:17.26 | *** join/#debian tavo (n=tavo@200-55-104-195.dsl.prima.net.ar) |
| 16:18.08 | action09 | oy |
| 16:18.21 | *** join/#debian myosound (n=myosound@static-71-127-149-42.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 16:18.29 | *** join/#debian skeletal (i=edbsd@unaffiliated/skeletal) |
| 16:18.35 | *** join/#debian elagar (n=elagar@200.8.161.240) |
| 16:20.05 | *** join/#debian smoser (n=smoser@d14-69-66-169.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 16:20.23 | *** join/#debian sepski (n=seppity@217.17.211.51) |
| 16:20.28 | skeletal | friends, a information, please. What's the danger of attack hping in my network? |
| 16:20.30 | elagar | hi.. what program can i use for record a video from my desktop..? (example: a tutorial to use an application) |
| 16:21.36 | Paivakil | elagar: recordmydesktop, istanbul. I have used neither |
| 16:21.43 | *** join/#debian fukas (n=Dmitriy@78.31.183.42) |
| 16:22.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 841] by debhelper |
| 16:22.23 | *** join/#debian Z3Ro0n3 (n=zeroone@201-94-166-26.botucatu.flash.tv.br) |
| 16:22.31 | *** join/#debian zink_ (n=GOTA@pc-209-33-239-201.cm.vtr.net) |
| 16:23.41 | *** join/#debian Visagalis (n=juliuszs@78-61-86-251.static.zebra.lt) |
| 16:23.42 | Visagalis | hi |
| 16:23.53 | Visagalis | anyone want to give me some help with grep thingy? |
| 16:23.59 | Visagalis | just need one thingy |
| 16:24.06 | Visagalis | grep -A 50000 'Program received' File.log |
| 16:24.20 | *** join/#debian PriitM (n=poopsmel@ip146.cab63.mus.starman.ee) |
| 16:24.29 | Visagalis | this is fine, but how i can get ~50 lines above that 'Program received'? |
| 16:24.40 | *** join/#debian winn2 (n=winn_joh@firewallnat-dnh.democrats.org) |
| 16:24.54 | tavo | Hello there, I'm having a problem with the official compiz from the repos. The window switcher plugin is quite slow to start. Does anybody know how to fix that? (I'm on lenny) |
| 16:25.04 | *** join/#debian DexterF (n=dexter@ip-78-94-188-254.PH-1511G-BSR64K-04.ish.de) |
| 16:25.10 | DexterF | hi |
| 16:25.11 | *** join/#debian Skratz0r (n=McSkrat@77-101-77-215.cable.ubr05.camd.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 16:25.55 | DexterF | why do lvm and mdadm-raid come so late in rcS.d? any reason not to move them from S25/26 to S05/06? |
| 16:26.12 | DexterF | (and if not: what's the appropriate tool so it survives an update?) |
| 16:26.25 | *** join/#debian nuncanada (n=nuncanad@201.86.161.24.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 16:26.57 | *** join/#debian sysop2 (n=sysop@70-10-151-198.area7.spcsdns.net) |
| 16:27.14 | *** join/#debian neosmatrix_ (n=neosmatr@i538781E6.versanet.de) |
| 16:27.19 | *** part/#debian Visagalis (n=juliuszs@78-61-86-251.static.zebra.lt) |
| 16:27.31 | *** join/#debian seeds (n=haxor@ool-182d087d.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 16:27.55 | Skratz0r | waves |
| 16:29.21 | `mac` | Brute force attempts on ssh are a common problem. |
| 16:29.26 | *** join/#debian funkyou (n=janm@e179133180.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:29.44 | *** join/#debian rafuch0 (n=rafuch0@201.211.220.35) |
| 16:29.53 | Skratz0r | 'mac', seriously? |
| 16:30.23 | Skratz0r | By the way, what's the first character in your name? o.o |
| 16:30.32 | Skratz0r | ok, nvm. XP |
| 16:31.18 | *** join/#debian misnix (n=jkr@corona.xs4all.nl) |
| 16:31.33 | *** join/#debian CaNeS (n=Linux@bas4-montreal02-1096735828.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 16:32.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 848] by debhelper |
| 16:32.18 | `mac` | i need to setup a pub key ... CRON su root:nobody |
| 16:32.35 | *** join/#debian amikrop (n=indy@athedsl-125707.home.otenet.gr) |
| 16:33.13 | Skratz0r | is away |
| 16:33.22 | amikrop | Which is the most common way for installing Debian? I want an easy and friendly way to install it, though, I don't want to make a huge (DVD image) download. |
| 16:34.17 | gangsterlicious | afternoon geeks |
| 16:34.45 | Xenguy | amikrop: a netinstall is best if you have broadband connection AFAIK |
| 16:35.02 | Xenguy | !netinstall |
| 16:35.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso> |
| 16:35.35 | amikrop | Xenguy: OK. Thanks. |
| 16:35.42 | Xenguy | yw |
| 16:35.45 | `mac` | this is crazy i need to turn off su[14643]: + ??? root:nobody getting this msg.. |
| 16:36.16 | *** join/#debian lynucs (n=lynucs@pD9E38A6F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:36.17 | *** join/#debian Mamanga (n=Carlo@host155.201-253-54.telecom.net.ar) |
| 16:37.18 | amikrop | Xenguy: So, netinst provides a text-based installer? |
| 16:37.18 | `mac` | how can i fix this anyone can help me out? |
| 16:37.45 | `mac` | sounds like you got hacked on your debian box |
| 16:37.49 | Xenguy | amikrop: I assume it is still text-based (I definitely prefer that in any case) |
| 16:38.43 | amikrop | Xenguy: Does the "minimal" system the netinst installs, have X? |
| 16:38.54 | amikrop | I mean, after the end of the installation. |
| 16:39.08 | Xenguy | amikrop: I don't recall |
| 16:39.20 | amikrop | After the end of the netinst, do I have X and e.g. GNOME? |
| 16:39.22 | amikrop | oh, ok. |
| 16:40.03 | Xenguy | amikrop: if you want that, just install the 'desktop' system after doing the base install (or something like that, it's been awhile, so you'll have to RTFM I suppose :-) |
| 16:40.34 | amikrop | Xenguy: ok, thanks again ;) |
| 16:40.50 | *** join/#debian Ajedrez (n=kvirc@63.161.232.88) |
| 16:41.11 | DexterF | what's rcS.d? |
| 16:41.14 | Xenguy | amikrop: IIRC the installation routine should give you an option to install a 'desktop' type configuration (if it doesn't you can always just install the packages you need anyway) - good luck |
| 16:41.49 | amikrop | Xenguy: kk ;-) |
| 16:42.07 | Xenguy | DexterF: /etc/rcS.d/README |
| 16:42.30 | cahoot | init.d? |
| 16:43.00 | Xenguy | goes for more coffee... |
| 16:43.50 | DexterF | Xenguy: so this is executed *before* rc[1-5].d no matter what? |
| 16:44.26 | `mac` | could someone help me with this nobody su |
| 16:44.43 | JDigital | Does debian have a package for suexec |
| 16:44.50 | *** part/#debian amikrop (n=indy@athedsl-125707.home.otenet.gr) |
| 16:46.29 | *** join/#debian Paddy_EIRE (n=patrick@84.13.112.28) |
| 16:46.56 | Xenguy | DexterF: dunno (I just saw the README file) |
| 16:47.16 | `mac` | anyone know where i can get HELP on this topic of main? thank you |
| 16:47.33 | *** join/#debian minus198 (n=asdf@c83-250-75-181.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 16:47.34 | *** join/#debian Mazingaro (n=tetsuja@host147-151-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 16:47.48 | Xenguy | `mac`: I looked at your questions, and I think you need to be more clear/specific if people are to understand your problem |
| 16:47.55 | humbolto | why is 32bit mode for ide devices still not enabled by default? does this actually make any difference? |
| 16:48.05 | *** join/#debian tiinqt (n=nonno@ppp-141-113.33-151.iol.it) |
| 16:48.10 | abrotman | `mac`: that's normal |
| 16:48.51 | *** join/#debian MaNsOnR (i=MaNsOnR@151.80.12.192) |
| 16:48.54 | *** part/#debian MaNsOnR (i=MaNsOnR@151.80.12.192) |
| 16:49.14 | `mac` | Xenguy: if i understand this i well fix it .. i m not sure auth. giving that msg i belive i need to make a pub key |
| 16:49.51 | *** join/#debian Mantaar (n=Mantaar@mendelssohn.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 16:53.48 | *** join/#debian Paddy_EIRE (n=patrick@84.13.112.28) |
| 16:55.34 | *** join/#debian Strogg (n=user@76.10.145.36) |
| 16:56.46 | *** join/#debian harmattan (n=harmatta@82.159.59.192.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 16:57.46 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@cl-2502.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) |
| 16:59.42 | *** join/#debian Blissex (n=Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 17:01.09 | *** join/#debian cloakable (n=cloakabl@host81-155-94-1.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) |
| 17:01.59 | *** join/#debian path__ (n=path@pc-168-207-46-190.cm.vtr.net) |
| 17:02.15 | `mac` | can someone tell me if you do have this line in etc/aliases postmaster: root clamav: root |
| 17:02.35 | *** join/#debian amikrop (n=indy@athedsl-125707.home.otenet.gr) |
| 17:02.44 | *** join/#debian macuser-_ (n=Hanif@CPE0012171a3a07-CM0014e8b55f46.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 17:02.59 | amikrop | Does lenny need dist-upgrades periodically? |
| 17:03.00 | abrotman | `mac`: it's a very good idea |
| 17:03.04 | abrotman | amikrop: yes |
| 17:03.09 | amikrop | (e.g. like Ubuntu) |
| 17:03.17 | *** join/#debian wrlinn (n=ds@adsl-71-135-54-84.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 17:03.21 | `mac` | abrotman: not sure what you mean good idea? |
| 17:03.44 | abrotman | it means .. you really shouldn't remove it |
| 17:03.50 | amikrop | abrotman: And etch, as well? |
| 17:03.59 | abrotman | etch very rarely |
| 17:04.13 | DexterF | so.. anyone who can tell me when rcS.d is run? |
| 17:04.30 | `mac` | not removing trying to see why is it using root has very high security hole on that.. |
| 17:04.44 | amikrop | abrotman: Isn't there any debian based distro/release/branch that doesn't need dist-upgrades (like Gentoo)? |
| 17:04.47 | catsup | DexterF: see /etc/init.d/README and inittab(5) |
| 17:04.54 | abrotman | `mac`: it has a what ? |
| 17:05.00 | amikrop | (like Gentoo doesn't need) |
| 17:05.02 | abrotman | amikrop: what's wrong with dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:05.15 | amikrop | abrotman: It breaks stuff :( |
| 17:05.21 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 17:05.38 | `mac` | not clear it has a what?? |
| 17:05.52 | *** join/#debian tavo (n=tavo@200-55-104-195.dsl.prima.net.ar) |
| 17:05.52 | abrotman | `mac`: what security hole ? |
| 17:05.55 | amikrop | I think it breaks the system sometimes. It is not always very stable. |
| 17:06.06 | catsup | DexterF: it's supposedly the first thing that's run, but initrd runs first, and that contains more and more stuff with each release |
| 17:06.24 | *** join/#debian AwesomeGuy (i=812c73e2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5aaf1658c958eda4) |
| 17:06.42 | AwesomeGuy | After I install debian nad reboot I just get error 2, how do I make it boot |
| 17:06.47 | `mac` | let me see if i can find some samples from google. |
| 17:06.51 | AwesomeGuy | it's supposed to dual-boot windows and debian |
| 17:07.08 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: does the bootloader run or not? |
| 17:07.28 | AwesomeGuy | grub loads, then says error 2 |
| 17:07.41 | AwesomeGuy | why does it just say error 2 instead of telling me the problem |
| 17:07.44 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: boot the cd in rescue mode and reinstall grub |
| 17:07.45 | amikrop | abrotman: Is debian more light than Ubuntu (e.g. the Ubuntu 8.04 CD cannot be booted from an old laptop I have)? |
| 17:08.01 | abrotman | amikrop: cannot be booted why? |
| 17:08.02 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: i don't use grub myself; i use lilo. but you could check grub's documentation. |
| 17:08.06 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: actually-- |
| 17:08.06 | AwesomeGuy | how do I boot it in 'rescue mode' |
| 17:08.09 | DexterF | catsup: well, here's the problem, when I fire up my raid5 array from inittab it degrades. I want to start it from the runlevels, but I'm a bit lost how debian sysinit work. so if I do a "normal" boot, first is initrd, *then* rcS.d, *then rc2.d? |
| 17:08.11 | abrotman | !rescue |
| 17:08.11 | dpkg | rescue is probably at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 17:08.12 | amikrop | abrotman: The laptop is too old. |
| 17:08.14 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: you might be able to fix grub inside grub |
| 17:08.27 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
| 17:08.27 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: the help screen on the install cd tells you how to do it |
| 17:08.29 | AwesomeGuy | how |
| 17:08.32 | AwesomeGuy | ok |
| 17:08.32 | amikrop | abrotman: (But that laptop can boot Ubuntu Feisty Fawn, for example.) |
| 17:08.52 | abrotman | amikrop: then you can try debian |
| 17:09.06 | catsup | DexterF: yes. but surely your array is not degrading because of when in the boot process it is initialized. |
| 17:09.33 | *** join/#debian madflojo (n=madflojo@ip72-222-199-55.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 17:09.52 | amikrop | abrotman: Yes, that is what I am about to try, so I ask if it is lighter and more backwards compatible with old hardware, than Ubuntu. |
| 17:09.56 | DexterF | catsup: well, I disabled starting from initrd and assembled manually - all fine. so my guess is that at the time initrd assembles it some module is missing or one partition is not seen for reasons beyond me |
| 17:10.12 | catsup | DexterF: probably it's not being assembled the right way... |
| 17:10.28 | catsup | DexterF: you should be using mdadm's init script to assemble your array |
| 17:10.42 | catsup | DexterF: you just need to set up mdadm.conf, you don't need to modify any init script |
| 17:10.45 | DexterF | catsup: the entire initrd is a mystery to me, I used to have custom built kernels in slackware all the time. how do I edit the initrd? |
| 17:11.02 | *** join/#debian milligan_ (n=Milligan@134.84-49-201.nextgentel.com) |
| 17:11.07 | catsup | DexterF: you don't need to edit your initrd |
| 17:11.15 | abrotman | amikrop: maybe, ultimately depends on the hardware |
| 17:11.24 | milligan_ | I have a geforce 8800 GTX . What's the best way of installing the drivers for it ? |
| 17:11.40 | DexterF | catsup: mdadm.conf is set up, but I couldn't figure when it is started |
| 17:11.48 | catsup | DexterF: (in debian, initrd is generated automatically every time you upgrade your kernel; to modify it, you have to add scripts to the software that regenerates it) |
| 17:12.01 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (n=fhaberma@p57BC5816.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:12.04 | catsup | DexterF: ls /etc/rc*.d/???mdadm |
| 17:12.20 | *** join/#debian grand_gr1nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-13-122.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:12.21 | amikrop | abrotman: OK. Do you recommend etch or lenny? |
| 17:12.25 | milligan_ | nvm. I'll use the drivers from nvidias site. |
| 17:12.37 | abrotman | etch |
| 17:13.24 | DexterF | catsup: http://pastebin.ca/1006137 |
| 17:13.46 | catsup | heh |
| 17:13.50 | catsup | i didn't want the output, i wanted you to read it |
| 17:13.56 | DaRtH_VaDeR | abrotman, why etch and no lenny ? |
| 17:13.57 | Xenguy | milligan_: there are instructions on the debian wiki for nvidia |
| 17:14.00 | amikrop | abrotman: Why? It doesn't provide new versions of software. |
| 17:14.08 | catsup | you really should read /etc/init.d/README -- then you will know what that ls output means |
| 17:14.15 | *** join/#debian nonno (n=nonno@ppp-30-119.33-151.iol.it) |
| 17:14.23 | *** join/#debian meeero (n=peppe@chello084112024063.5.11.vie.surfer.at) |
| 17:14.44 | DexterF | catsup: :P well, mdadm only starts the monitor daemon anyways, mdadm-raid is the one that fires up the array, but that doesn't sit anywhere in [1-6], only in rcS.d on S25 |
| 17:14.49 | abrotman | amikrop: weren't you just whining about dist-upgrades ? |
| 17:14.51 | meeero | i just accidently dropped an iptables-rule which was configured as: VZ_INPUT all -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0 ...how do i restore that again? |
| 17:14.55 | *** join/#debian lex_ (n=lex@c-98-212-229-220.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 17:14.57 | abrotman | amikrop: and it's an older laptop ? |
| 17:15.29 | *** join/#debian Mamanga (n=Carlo@host155.201-253-54.telecom.net.ar) |
| 17:15.44 | catsup | DexterF: oh, that's right. but anyway, there you go: it starts at S25 in rcS, that's the answer to your question |
| 17:16.08 | amikrop | abrotman: yep, rather old |
| 17:16.23 | DexterF | catsup: so S25 in rcS has nothing to with S25 in rc2 - the rc2 script comes *after* rcS absolutely? |
| 17:16.29 | abrotman | amikrop: etch |
| 17:16.38 | catsup | DexterF: yes--really, read that README! |
| 17:17.09 | *** join/#debian paivakil|away (n=paivakil@unaffiliated/paivakil) |
| 17:17.27 | catsup | DexterF: or read your inittab... |
| 17:18.11 | DexterF | catsup: I did, I just wanted to hear from a real live geek that it doesn't hand over sysinit in between to rc2 and then returns or any such fancy stunts. It's my raid array, I don't have backups and I resnced it 5 times so far, starting to worry... |
| 17:18.27 | *** join/#debian rpedro__ (n=rpedro@87-196-224-61.net.novis.pt) |
| 17:18.31 | `mac` | system is under attach.. http://pastebin.hyedomain.com//view.php?id=11 |
| 17:18.41 | *** join/#debian _Petrov_ (n=Petrov@34.101-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 17:18.42 | DexterF | can one make the init scripts halt and wait for a keypress? |
| 17:18.57 | catsup | DexterF: yes, well, it sounds like you have a problem with your raid array |
| 17:19.10 | *** join/#debian DerHorst (n=Horst@e176107169.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:19.31 | catsup | you don't need to be messing around with your init scripts--probably you need to replace a drive. do you have the SMART daemon installed? |
| 17:19.53 | *** join/#debian Davey (n=davey@unaffiliated/davey) |
| 17:20.26 | *** join/#debian and][ng (n=and][ng@213-156-49-141.fastres.net) |
| 17:20.44 | grand_gr1nt | Is there a apache2 admin, using mod_bw? |
| 17:20.44 | DexterF | catsup: I've been nagging the raid list already, no clues yet. 5 disks, 0xFD, 8 ports on the board: 4x sata_sil onboard, 4x sata_sil on PCI. 4 disks onboard, 1 disk on the PCI card. assembling from initrd: 5th disks is kicked, non-fresh. manual mdadm -A : rock n roll. |
| 17:21.05 | amikrop | abrotman: OK. Thanks a lot :-) |
| 17:21.05 | *** join/#debian lord_rob (i=robert@114.132-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 17:21.16 | *** join/#debian Unitux (n=Unitux@83.136.139.228) |
| 17:21.17 | abrotman | !tell `mac` about fail2ban |
| 17:21.19 | *** join/#debian PriitM_ (n=poopsmel@ip222.cab16.mus.starman.ee) |
| 17:21.27 | *** join/#debian netdaemon (n=netdaemo@tuxhacker/netdaemon) |
| 17:21.27 | catsup | DexterF: ok, it sounds like probably within the initrd, the drive on the PCI card is not accessible |
| 17:21.33 | *** join/#debian unixSnob (n=jgombos@68-29-214-88.area4.spcsdns.net) |
| 17:21.35 | catsup | why is it assembling in the initrd? is it your root? |
| 17:22.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 857] by debhelper |
| 17:22.05 | *** join/#debian holycow (n=new@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 17:22.16 | DexterF | catsup: gets even better: I have 2 more ports from the motherboard, sata_nv module. moved the 5th there. same error. |
| 17:22.22 | `mac` | thank you abrotman |
| 17:22.24 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is there an environment variable specifying I'm using UTF-8 charset ? |
| 17:22.31 | `mac` | got that fail2ban installed, havent config it.. |
| 17:22.42 | DexterF | catsup: that's why I asked about how one edits the initrd, I'd like to ppek under its hood and see if something strikes me |
| 17:22.44 | catsup | DexterF: is that module on the initrd ? why are you assembling it in initrd? |
| 17:23.03 | catsup | DexterF: your initrd generator should allow you to simply list modules to include |
| 17:23.11 | *** join/#debian erpo (n=erpo@erpo41.broker.freenet6.net) |
| 17:23.16 | lord_rob | For console programs I mean |
| 17:23.18 | *** join/#debian Paddy_EIRE (n=patrick@84.13.112.28) |
| 17:23.22 | DexterF | catsup: well, basically because that was the mdadm deb default. no, / is not on the array, I don't really need it at boot time. |
| 17:23.24 | *** join/#debian ggeecko (n=ggeecko@c-76-97-44-124.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 17:24.33 | catsup | DexterF: it's not the mdadm deb, it's the initrd script, that thinks incorrectly that the array must be assembled in order to boot--mdadm shouldn't even be on your initrd, if your root is not raid (although, maybe your root is raid1, as it should be) |
| 17:25.14 | catsup | DexterF: what initrd script are you using? you can probably include busybox on it, and get a shell there, and see what's going on very directly |
| 17:25.27 | *** join/#debian Starwatcher (n=David@67-54-207-137.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 17:25.40 | catsup | DexterF: or if you want to just inspect the initrd and see what it's doing--it's /initrd.gz, gzip -cd it somewhere and mount it loop |
| 17:25.48 | DexterF | catsup: if mdadm is not in the initrd, how does it assemble an array? |
| 17:25.58 | catsup | mdadm *is* on the initrd |
| 17:25.59 | *** part/#debian paivakil|away (n=paivakil@unaffiliated/paivakil) |
| 17:26.03 | erpo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.06 | catsup | but it *shouldn't* be if your root is not raid |
| 17:26.29 | catsup | the initrd scripts do their best to autodetect what is necessary to mount root, but of course it is not generally possible to do this perfectly for every configuration... |
| 17:26.41 | *** join/#debian tudon (n=tudon@dhcp-077-249-027-214.chello.nl) |
| 17:26.46 | AwesomeGuy | I've tried 2 different debian cds and when they finish installing and reboot, grub says error 2 |
| 17:27.09 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: if you don't want to fuck around with grub, just use lilo instead |
| 17:27.20 | Deezire | uh. |
| 17:27.22 | *** join/#debian x100 (n=broken@CPE001a7053a7c1-CM00152fc775c8.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 17:27.28 | AwesomeGuy | I've done drug on every other computer I've had |
| 17:27.29 | DexterF | catsup: an initrd is a.. a root fs loaded into mem to do basic setup before it hands over to the "real" rootfs, right? |
| 17:27.38 | AwesomeGuy | * grub |
| 17:27.46 | catsup | DexterF: yes |
| 17:27.57 | x100 | Got a small problem, I have a .mov file but every player I've been using (gxine, vlc, and mplayer) both have errors opening it vlc just flickers on and off could I be missing a codec or? |
| 17:27.58 | DexterF | catsup: dunno what initrd script I use - I installed debian. all I know. |
| 17:28.03 | catsup | the purpose of initrd is simply to mount the root fs |
| 17:28.03 | Deezire | Yeah, use a 20 year old package instead of a updated and supported package. |
| 17:28.06 | Deezire | Makes sense. |
| 17:28.25 | erpo | Deezire: Grub has its faults. |
| 17:28.27 | AwesomeGuy | and how do i make the netinst cd work with a wireless connection? |
| 17:28.30 | catsup | and to set your boot logo and query the network and eventually probably X will start in there ;) |
| 17:29.00 | EmleyMoor | AwesomeGuy: What's the wireless chipset? |
| 17:29.16 | AwesomeGuy | whats a wireless chipset |
| 17:29.22 | AwesomeGuy | it's a usb linksys thing |
| 17:29.29 | catsup | Deezire: lilo is not unsupported |
| 17:29.44 | amphi | AwesomeGuy: you have no ethernet card? |
| 17:29.52 | DexterF | catsup: the data from which it is assembled/compiled/whatever gotta lie somwhere - where? can't I directly edit those and then run mkinitrd? |
| 17:29.53 | AwesomeGuy | I tried iwconfig in ctrl-alt-F2 but it sayd there were no connections |
| 17:30.16 | catsup | DexterF: in the configuration file for the initrd script--there are several alternative initrd generation scripts |
| 17:30.18 | mimcpher | AwesomeGuy, "usb linksys thingy" doesn't sound promising to be supported out-of-the box |
| 17:30.22 | AwesomeGuy | It has an ethernet card but it uses a usb wireless thing |
| 17:30.32 | catsup | DexterF: /etc/yaird/ or /etc/mkinitramfs/ are the most likely i guess |
| 17:30.35 | AwesomeGuy | well how do i get the drivers on it |
| 17:30.40 | EmleyMoor | I'd do your initial setup over Ethernet if you can |
| 17:30.49 | AwesomeGuy | I can't |
| 17:31.01 | Deezire | lilo is atleast undeveloped, catsup |
| 17:31.06 | *** join/#debian humbolto (n=elias@ext.asb-online.at) |
| 17:31.08 | Deezire | last time i checked, though |
| 17:31.09 | x100 | Anyone? |
| 17:31.12 | mimcpher | well then good luck, because its going to be a bitch to install AwesomeGuy |
| 17:31.18 | Deezire | x100: Mov is quicktime movie |
| 17:31.24 | EmleyMoor | Deezire: That makes it slim and unbloated |
| 17:31.27 | Deezire | you need quicktime og quicktime codec |
| 17:31.41 | catsup | Deezire: lilo works fine, grub is unnecessarily complex |
| 17:31.50 | DexterF | catsup: when I dpkg-reconfigure mdadm, it generates a new initrd - where would I find the script d-r runs? |
| 17:31.57 | AwesomeGuy | Can I just install the netinst cd without thei nternet and have a system still |
| 17:31.59 | *** join/#debian keta_ (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 17:32.06 | Deezire | I've never had any problems with grub using debian. |
| 17:32.08 | x100 | Deezire: Oh I know that, but what is used to play those in linux? I mean three players have failed. |
| 17:32.16 | Mantaar | AwesomeGuy: No. |
| 17:32.17 | AwesomeGuy | and why does the full cd have to be 20 cd's? |
| 17:32.28 | AwesomeGuy | windows is only one cd |
| 17:32.29 | Deezire | x100: My personal favourite is mplayer |
| 17:32.42 | catsup | Deezire: you've had a slower boot process, it's a matter of opinion whether that's a problem :) |
| 17:32.42 | Deezire | AwesomeGuy: All of APT is on them. |
| 17:32.42 | EmleyMoor | AwesomeGuy: One CD is enough for all the essentials |
| 17:32.45 | Deezire | Install using minimal. |
| 17:33.00 | Mantaar | AwesomeGuy: Because Debian comes with a whole bunch of pkgs and software. For a functional system you need one full CD. |
| 17:33.00 | AwesomeGuy | so there's a CD i can use |
| 17:33.06 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: windows is substantially more than one cd if you include office, visual c++, etc... |
| 17:33.09 | Deezire | catsup: Sssh :p My quad-core boots in 15 seconds anyway. |
| 17:33.10 | *** join/#debian pba (n=pba@92.113.95.71) |
| 17:33.13 | AwesomeGuy | ok, where do i get the full cd |
| 17:33.17 | mimcpher | AwesomeGuy, just get the first cd |
| 17:33.30 | Mantaar | AwesomeGuy: you can also get the first DVD. Makes more sense. |
| 17:33.39 | AwesomeGuy | I don't have dvd-r's |
| 17:33.47 | Deezire | You only need the first CD for a normal setup. The rest you apt-get. |
| 17:33.53 | AwesomeGuy | ok good |
| 17:33.58 | Deezire | Personally i just apt-get everything using the minimal-disc. |
| 17:33.58 | AwesomeGuy | I'll get the full 1st cd |
| 17:34.02 | *** join/#debian mhiku (n=jf@124.106.237.144) |
| 17:34.05 | catsup | you don't even need the full 1st cd, hence netinst |
| 17:34.07 | Deezire | Also called netinstall. |
| 17:34.07 | Mantaar | ok. Then go fetch the CD on debian.org: http://www.us.debian.org/CD/ |
| 17:34.17 | mhiku | whats your comment about this dance? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_mIUCmZ7X0 |
| 17:34.34 | AwesomeGuy | I like ftp://cdimage.debian.org better |
| 17:34.39 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: you don't need to do any of that, even--just make the driver for your wireless card accessible somehow |
| 17:34.44 | abrotman | mhiku: this is #debian .. go away |
| 17:35.04 | AwesomeGuy | a full cd is better.. |
| 17:35.07 | AwesomeGuy | easier |
| 17:35.08 | catsup | mhiku: unix hackers don't dance. |
| 17:35.19 | AwesomeGuy | is a pentium 4 an i386 |
| 17:35.24 | DexterF | Real #Debian Answers :) |
| 17:35.24 | Deezire | catsup: Good thing this is linsux then! ;) |
| 17:35.25 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:36.03 | *** join/#debian garret_88 (n=garret@151.56.159.237) |
| 17:36.43 | garret_88 | i have a strange problem: if i don't have a monitor linked to my pc X doesn't start in my debian lenny |
| 17:37.04 | garret_88 | instade if i boot debian with the monitor X starts with no problems |
| 17:37.09 | catsup | garret_88: your X configuration is querying the monitor to discover settings |
| 17:37.13 | abrotman | and failing |
| 17:37.22 | garret_88 | how i can put that X always starts? |
| 17:37.26 | garret_88 | i need this |
| 17:37.34 | garret_88 | also with a standard reoslution |
| 17:37.37 | *** join/#debian ehird (n=ehird@91.105.92.194) |
| 17:37.37 | garret_88 | like 1024x768 |
| 17:37.41 | *** join/#debian sysop2 (n=sysop@68-242-237-79.area7.spcsdns.net) |
| 17:37.42 | garret_88 | and vesa drivers |
| 17:37.44 | catsup | garret_88: configure X to know the resolution without querying the monitor |
| 17:37.45 | ehird | How do I tell stable that the Python I want is 2.5? |
| 17:37.45 | DexterF | catsup: so busybox will give a shell while the initrd is running - but not really mcuh I can do I guess? I mean, rcS hands over to rc2 in.. seconds |
| 17:37.48 | ehird | select-alternative or something |
| 17:37.54 | abrotman | ehird: you don't |
| 17:37.56 | *** join/#debian atperez (n=atperez@201-167-112-160-cable.cybercable.net.mx) |
| 17:37.58 | garret_88 | cateye, how i can do? |
| 17:38.05 | abrotman | garret_88: i believe there's an option to let it fail and still start |
| 17:38.06 | Pulpie | hey I have a radeon x1650 and Im not sure what driver to use for it. Fglrx would be the one to use right? |
| 17:38.10 | catsup | DexterF: putting busybox on, and setting a configuration option, will give you a one second window in which to press enter and give you a shell |
| 17:38.16 | battlemidget | is there a gnome applet or gtk application that will allow me to aquire rgb values from any color on the desktop? |
| 17:38.20 | battlemidget | from any application? |
| 17:38.24 | catsup | DexterF: you shouldn't need to do that though. just configure the initrd not to start your array |
| 17:38.36 | abrotman | battlemidget: gimp .. take a screenshot and use the dabber tool |
| 17:38.42 | catsup | DexterF: or configure it to have the driver for the last disk |
| 17:38.43 | ehird | abrotman: That's unhelpful. You can do it with browsers, etc. iirc |
| 17:38.53 | amphi | Pulpie: sadly, you must use fglrx with that, I believe |
| 17:38.59 | garret_88 | catsup, how i can configure X? |
| 17:39.05 | battlemidget | abrotman: know of a quicker way? :) |
| 17:39.20 | catsup | garret_88: /etc/X11/Xorg.conf (if you're using Xorg for X) |
| 17:39.26 | garret_88 | yes |
| 17:39.28 | pba | hi, i have embedded intel 82566DC Ethernet controller, but it doesn't recognized by and known (for me) driver |
| 17:39.30 | DexterF | catsup: funny thing is the driver for the 5th was the same as for the other 4 since both onboard and pci are SiliconImage 3114 controllers |
| 17:39.36 | garret_88 | but what voices catsup ? |
| 17:39.37 | abrotman | ehird: the system is expecting 2.4 .. if you change the default to 2.5 things will likely break badly .. if you want your app to use 2.5 be explicit |
| 17:39.48 | abrotman | battlemidget: nope .. i don't play with colors much |
| 17:40.06 | *** join/#debian Baloo (n=baloo@75-175-113-218.ptld.qwest.net) |
| 17:40.10 | *** part/#debian mhiku (n=jf@124.106.237.144) |
| 17:40.15 | amphi | pba: e1000 doesn't work? |
| 17:40.54 | pba | amphi: upp, latest doesn't work =( |
| 17:41.18 | Pulpie | whats the most common mouse port for a usb wireless mouse on a KVM switch? |
| 17:41.28 | Pulpie | /dev/input/mice? |
| 17:41.32 | DexterF | is there a way of telling whether a client still mounts an NFS share? |
| 17:41.38 | garret_88 | catsup, here there is my xorg.conf -> http://pastebin.com/m2f3b5f27 |
| 17:41.48 | *** join/#debian vvd (n=dmkshfik@dslb-082-083-228-229.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:41.56 | catsup | battlemidget: xcolorsel ? |
| 17:42.19 | catsup | battlemidget: erm, nope. |
| 17:42.22 | *** join/#debian shellito (n=shellito@200.122.232.15) |
| 17:43.12 | battlemidget | kde has a cool applet that will do it but was hoping to find something for gtk |
| 17:43.13 | *** join/#debian e-funktion (n=seemawn@p5DC2DE22.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:43.14 | catsup | garret_88: um. sorry, i'm not going to configure your x server for you... unless you pay me maybe... |
| 17:43.39 | garret_88 | i can pay you in nature if you are female |
| 17:43.48 | catsup | you will raise my children? |
| 17:43.58 | abrotman | battlemidget: i'm not saying there isn't anything . i just don't know of it .. maybe try #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 17:43.58 | garret_88 | ok |
| 17:44.10 | battlemidget | ok ill check there |
| 17:44.11 | battlemidget | thx |
| 17:44.24 | catsup | payment upfront |
| 17:44.26 | garret_88 | catsup, what voice i have to modify pls ? |
| 17:44.30 | catsup | when they hit puberty i'll configure it |
| 17:44.46 | ehird | <abrotman> ehird: the system is expecting 2.4 .. if you change the default to 2.5 things will likely break badly .. if you want your app to use 2.5 be explicit <-- all 2.4 programs should work fine with 2.5 |
| 17:44.57 | abrotman | ehird: you hope |
| 17:45.03 | ehird | abrotman: no, i'm pretty sure. |
| 17:45.10 | *** join/#debian hark (n=strider@hark.slew.org) |
| 17:45.21 | sidewalk | abrotman: a reiserfs-disk just dissapeared (its in a debian box, but i though id ask here due to lack of answers there) |
| 17:45.22 | *** join/#debian peleg (n=peleg@82-35-75-215.cable.ubr02.dals.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 17:45.29 | *** join/#debian emil|k (i=emil@f054015018.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 17:45.32 | pba | so what ab. embedded intel 82566DC Ethernet controller, i have no idea how to make it work (it seems to be google too) |
| 17:45.38 | sidewalk | abrotman: cant even fdisk the disk, you know why? |
| 17:45.46 | abrotman | sidewalk: you mean it's an ubuntu box .. so you'd ask #ubuntu |
| 17:45.57 | abrotman | ehird: you can change the symlink if you want |
| 17:46.27 | sidewalk | abrotman: heh, i know but due to lack of help there i thought id ask here :P |
| 17:46.43 | abrotman | sidewalk: ask #ubuntu .. last time .. if you want support in #debian .. then install debian |
| 17:47.07 | catsup | i don't understand why anyone would use ubuntu when there's debian backports |
| 17:47.28 | DexterF | catsup: yay, array assembles alright |
| 17:47.40 | DexterF | catsup: thanks for all the insight |
| 17:47.41 | catsup | DexterF: what'd you do? |
| 17:48.05 | DexterF | catsup: well, I only assemble from rcS now instead of from initrd |
| 17:48.11 | catsup | oh :) |
| 17:48.38 | *** join/#debian simone (n=kvirc@66.251.26.8) |
| 17:48.47 | DexterF | suits my needs. I mailed madduck from debian anyway with plenty of logs, maybe he figures it |
| 17:48.50 | *** join/#debian pLk (n=rigob@p4FC41C29.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:49.02 | *** join/#debian jaxsbf (n=nonno@ppp-253-112.33-151.iol.it) |
| 17:49.21 | DexterF | is Upstart planned for future debian releases? |
| 17:49.38 | catsup | DexterF: no |
| 17:49.44 | dondelelcaro | DexterF: someone may make it an option, but it's not likely to be the default. |
| 17:49.57 | *** join/#debian dante_2c1re (n=dante@80-219-138-141.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 17:50.40 | catsup | debian's init process is designed for distributed maintenance rather than any strictly technical objective |
| 17:50.48 | *** join/#debian firedemon (n=rick@CPE-65-26-194-101.wi.res.rr.com) |
| 17:51.18 | *** join/#debian Wolfgang1 (n=wolfgang@i3ED6F482.versanet.de) |
| 17:51.41 | catsup | any radical alternative would be very hard to handle policywise |
| 17:52.01 | DexterF | i see |
| 17:52.06 | catsup | (that's true about a lot of the debian system) |
| 17:52.07 | *** join/#debian sauvin (n=sauvin@unaffiliated/sauvin) |
| 17:52.22 | dondelelcaro | there are already alternatives to init, and the system was designed in large part to handle them. |
| 17:52.54 | catsup | there are alternatives, but no practical way to define the policy necessary to make every package support them |
| 17:53.08 | *** part/#debian Wolfgang1 (n=wolfgang@i3ED6F482.versanet.de) |
| 17:53.15 | dondelelcaro | catsup: hardly |
| 17:53.36 | catsup | dondelelcaro: well, it's possible, but not easy |
| 17:53.55 | dondelelcaro | it's actually fairly easy, and the dependency-based init system is YA example of how it can be done. |
| 17:54.04 | catsup | YA ? |
| 17:54.10 | dondelelcaro | !YA |
| 17:54.10 | dpkg | YA is Yet Another, a popular perl acronym. Ya (or yah) typically means yes or afirmative, as in the ya ya sisterhood. |
| 17:54.51 | catsup | dondelelcaro: right, but it requires that a large number of independent package maintainers acquire new knowledge of dependencies |
| 17:55.10 | dondelelcaro | catsup: not really; they just need to apply patches that are given to them by someone who wants to implement it. |
| 17:55.17 | catsup | ha |
| 17:56.00 | catsup | dondelelcaro: yes well it's one thing to say that someone else will do it for them; but it's still something huge that needs to be done, something that crosses package boundaries, requires integrating things that are independently maintained, it's a huge amount of work |
| 17:56.01 | *** join/#debian jlime-haggis (n=henchman@78.150.245.228) |
| 17:56.29 | *** join/#debian Duddle (n=Duddle@91.64.225.182) |
| 17:56.32 | catsup | i mean, if it's supposed to be as automatic as the current system |
| 17:56.52 | dondelelcaro | catsup: it's already been done. |
| 17:56.57 | pba | any comments about how to make work intel82566DC ethernet controller? |
| 17:57.46 | catsup | decentralized social structure discourages this sort of integrated master planning. |
| 17:57.47 | dondelelcaro | catsup: and there are reasonably guessable defaults for those init scripts which don't implement the dependencies which can be calculated already |
| 17:58.23 | catsup | dondelelcaro: what kind of society do you imagine as ideal? ;) |
| 17:58.44 | jlime-haggis | help : no screens found after install , debian 2.6.18-6-amd64 , help would be appreciated |
| 17:58.59 | dondelelcaro | catsup: no such thing exists, and it's not really on topic here. |
| 17:59.10 | catsup | dondelelcaro: yes, it's a joke you see-- |
| 17:59.17 | *** join/#debian _vvd (n=dmkshfik@dslb-082-083-183-206.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:59.26 | catsup | dondelelcaro: but it really comes down to the social structure of the project |
| 18:00.02 | catsup | integration requires centralized control, which permits superior organization for sure--a centrally controlled military, economy, is much more powerful--but much less pleasant |
| 18:00.42 | dondelelcaro | catsup: it doesn't require centralized control. It just requires an ability for proven technical designs to propogate to the edges of the project rapidly. |
| 18:01.06 | dondelelcaro | catsup: policy, coupled with the mailing lists, patches, and NMU abilities all allow this to happen |
| 18:01.27 | pba | i have an embedded intel8256DC Ethernet controller, but it doesn't recognized, can anybody help me |
| 18:01.29 | *** join/#debian Davey (n=davey@unaffiliated/davey) |
| 18:01.29 | dondelelcaro | (the only difference between a company and Debian in this regard is that there's no design-by-fiat in Debian) |
| 18:01.40 | *** join/#debian odder (n=odder@wikimedia/odder) |
| 18:02.05 | catsup | dondelelcaro: it's certainly possible, but it requires much greater integration (i don't mean of the software, although that too--but of the developers), which is difficult without some central authority to say: it will be so |
| 18:02.15 | *** join/#debian meysam (i=meysam@89.144.140.148) |
| 18:02.38 | *** part/#debian meysam (i=meysam@89.144.140.148) |
| 18:02.57 | *** part/#debian jivco (n=jivco@85.187.217.6) |
| 18:03.09 | *** join/#debian goksin (n=goksinak@88.229.164.203) |
| 18:03.16 | *** join/#debian solid_liq (n=solid_li@unaffiliated/solidliq) |
| 18:03.16 | *** join/#debian HellTiger (n=HellTige@p5B0CF372.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:03.35 | *** part/#debian jlime-haggis (n=henchman@78.150.245.228) |
| 18:04.04 | catsup | dondelelcaro: it is the same principle behind object oriented programming, modular design, etc.; debian policy right now is currently minimal, it imposes very little on the developers |
| 18:04.43 | catsup | in a way it maximizes the sovereignty of independent maintainers |
| 18:04.46 | *** join/#debian Fireball_bbl (n=aleksey@reactos/coordinator) |
| 18:04.51 | dondelelcaro | catsup: uh... what do you think policy and the release goals do? |
| 18:05.00 | *** part/#debian Fireball_bbl (n=aleksey@reactos/coordinator) |
| 18:05.20 | dondelelcaro | catsup: we decide what are should and musts, what are goals; those packages that don't meet it are buggy, and will be fixed. |
| 18:05.27 | catsup | dondelelcaro: of course, it makes some imposition, but it makes a minimal one |
| 18:05.52 | *** join/#debian Christia1 (n=CHRISTIA@ALyon-158-1-120-9.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:06.12 | *** join/#debian nanuux (n=nanuux@cha86-1-82-247-201-209.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:06.15 | nanuux | hi |
| 18:06.19 | dondelelcaro | catsup: it makes an imposition which is enough to do what needs to be done. It's not like package maintainers don't want their packages to be better and the release goals to be met either; the active ones generally are already implementing them, and the inactive ones generally don't mind either way. |
| 18:06.19 | catsup | dondelelcaro: look at the installer, for example--its modularity severely diminishes its capability as a system, but greatly increases the ability of any individual to contribute to it |
| 18:06.22 | *** part/#debian Christia1 (n=CHRISTIA@ALyon-158-1-120-9.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:06.26 | *** join/#debian Christia1 (n=CHRISTIA@ALyon-158-1-120-9.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:06.28 | *** join/#debian Yggdrasil (n=Son_Of_O@unaffiliated/yggdrasil) |
| 18:06.43 | *** part/#debian Christia1 (n=CHRISTIA@ALyon-158-1-120-9.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:06.46 | dondelelcaro | catsup: it's modularity makes it the amazing system that it is, actually. We had a single monolithic installer before. |
| 18:06.53 | Yggdrasil | can somone help with this on deb etch :/home/yggdrasil/Desktop/fldigi: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /home/yggdrasil/Desktop/fldigi) |
| 18:06.54 | catsup | dondelelcaro: yes, it does-- |
| 18:06.55 | *** join/#debian becki (n=becki@nrbg-4dbff535.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 18:07.03 | catsup | dondelelcaro: but for social, not technical, reasons |
| 18:07.12 | dondelelcaro | catsup: for technical reasons, actually. |
| 18:07.15 | *** part/#debian nanuux (n=nanuux@cha86-1-82-247-201-209.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:07.23 | dondelelcaro | catsup: the social reasons in Debian are always secondary. |
| 18:07.42 | *** part/#debian Mantaar (n=Mantaar@mendelssohn.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 18:07.49 | *** join/#debian HellTiger (n=HellTige@p5B0CF372.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:07.57 | catsup | dondelelcaro: they might not be specifically conceived as social |
| 18:08.11 | dondelelcaro | Yggdrasil: I'm not sure what fldigi is, but most likely you've compiled it against the wrong version of glibc. |
| 18:08.17 | *** join/#debian Ace2016 (n=ace@halls-129-31-70-5.hor.ic.ac.uk) |
| 18:08.18 | catsup | dondelelcaro: but if you look at the installer policy, it's clear that the modularity is concerned with what it is possible for independent developers to do |
| 18:08.35 | Yggdrasil | dondelclaro ok makes sence its a bin |
| 18:08.37 | *** part/#debian Ace2016 (n=ace@halls-129-31-70-5.hor.ic.ac.uk) |
| 18:08.52 | catsup | its specific objectives are not essentially technical |
| 18:08.57 | catsup | i mean--many of them |
| 18:09.05 | catsup | even if they are framed that way. hold on-- |
| 18:09.10 | dondelelcaro | catsup: it has effects, but that's not what it's most concerned with. It's most concerned with making it easy to put in the bits required for different parts of the installer without requiring that the entire installer be modified |
| 18:09.20 | catsup | file:///usr/share/doc/debian-installer/devel/partman/partman-doc.html/index.html |
| 18:10.07 | catsup | erm, i should have posted an http link, but whatever |
| 18:10.09 | *** join/#debian macuser-_ (n=Hanif@CPE0012171a3a07-CM0014e8b55f46.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 18:10.54 | catsup | the policy there is concerned *entirely* with how the partition manager will be divided into independently developed segments |
| 18:11.02 | catsup | not with any overarching design |
| 18:11.20 | dondelelcaro | catsup: so? there's a very good technical reason for doing that. |
| 18:11.22 | catsup | it is clear that overarching design is exactly what the policy is attempting to avoid |
| 18:11.35 | catsup | dondelelcaro: well, *you* are calling it a technical reason--but really it's not |
| 18:11.55 | *** join/#debian ehc (n=evan@wall.pacinfo.com) |
| 18:12.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 849] by debhelper |
| 18:12.05 | *** join/#debian GNU\tresh (n=tresh@chello062178230100.10.12.vie.surfer.at) |
| 18:12.17 | dondelelcaro | catsup: of course it is. The number of filesystems and partitioning schemes supported by debian would mean that any change anywhere in a monolithic partitioner in debian would require changing the entire thing. |
| 18:12.58 | dondelelcaro | catsup: just because it's built up of parts which are easily bolted together doesn't mean that we thought about a social reason to build it out of parts. |
| 18:13.03 | catsup | dondelelcaro: which would be no problem for a hierarchical power structure |
| 18:13.09 | dondelelcaro | catsup: hahahaha. |
| 18:13.22 | catsup | do you follow linux development at all? |
| 18:13.40 | *** join/#debian odder__ (n=odder@gjo26.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 18:13.44 | catsup | there, the monolithic design is enabled by the power structure |
| 18:13.54 | *** join/#debian grand_gr1nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-42-67.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:13.56 | dondelelcaro | catsup: hardly; even the kernel isn't monolithic |
| 18:14.10 | catsup | well--in a way it isn't-- |
| 18:14.11 | dondelelcaro | catsup: it just happens to be distributed as a monolithic blob |
| 18:14.17 | *** part/#debian garret_88 (n=garret@151.56.159.237) |
| 18:14.24 | *** join/#debian Cobra| (n=aa@Ua4db.u.pppool.de) |
| 18:14.38 | *** join/#debian ehc (n=evan@wall.pacinfo.com) |
| 18:14.38 | catsup | dondelelcaro: if you follow its development, you will see a great deal of by-fiat overarching changes, centralized design decisions |
| 18:14.40 | dondelelcaro | the only thing that is monolithic about it is that there is a single gatekeeper, but linus doesn't tell people what to do: he can only cajole. |
| 18:15.00 | *** join/#debian unixSnob (n=jgombos@99-201-204-113.area4.spcsdns.net) |
| 18:15.05 | catsup | dondelelcaro: that's not true at all |
| 18:15.19 | *** join/#debian funkyou (n=janm@e179133180.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:15.25 | dondelelcaro | catsup: almost all of those changes are carefully discussed, but whatever; you're free to hold whatever innacurate ideas about how Debian is actually developed you want. |
| 18:15.50 | dondelelcaro | if you don't want to listen to the people who are actually involved in Debian's development, that's your own lookout. |
| 18:15.51 | catsup | dondelelcaro: i think you have the wrong impression, i'm not saying anything is not carefully discussed, or that reasons for things are bad |
| 18:16.17 | catsup | dondelelcaro: i think you're just missing the social element |
| 18:16.33 | *** join/#debian avernos (n=avernosh@238.Red-80-59-106.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:16.41 | catsup | if you read that link to policy i posted with an eye to the social, i think you will see what i mean |
| 18:17.24 | dondelelcaro | the social element is there, it's just secondary. If we do a good job in the technical design, the social aspects take care of themselves. |
| 18:17.49 | dondelelcaro | If you're really interested in that sort of thing, you should read Biella Coleman's dissertation. |
| 18:17.53 | *** join/#debian ekix (i=eki@a88-112-29-124.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 18:17.58 | catsup | dondelelcaro: what you say about linux is not true, i have seen a number of design changes imposed centrally, of course not through a corporate style of control, but rather there is a certain need, and there is a dictatorial decision: it will be implemented so (or not at all) |
| 18:18.18 | *** join/#debian bullgard4 (n=detlef@p5B25B77C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:18.30 | *** join/#debian capiira (n=capiira@dslb-092-074-112-239.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:18.32 | catsup | dondelelcaro: you see, you are only making my point-- |
| 18:18.40 | *** join/#debian Skratz0r (n=McSkrat@77-101-77-215.cable.ubr05.camd.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 18:18.59 | *** join/#debian xbaez (n=xbaez@201.151.41.82) |
| 18:19.00 | *** join/#debian LaTTiNo (n=ircap751@89.130.104.214) |
| 18:19.11 | catsup | "if we do a good job in the technical design, the social aspects take care of themselves" <-- the conception of a "good job in technical design" assumes a certain social structure |
| 18:19.30 | catsup | with another social structure, a different design would be considered good |
| 18:20.18 | *** join/#debian milardovich (n=milardov@host2.190-224-118.telecom.net.ar) |
| 18:20.30 | *** join/#debian Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 18:20.31 | dondelelcaro | pba: in theory, the e1000 drivers should be handling that for you automatically. |
| 18:20.43 | catsup | pffft |
| 18:20.51 | catsup | dissertation not freely available |
| 18:21.02 | catsup | do you have a copy? |
| 18:21.19 | *** join/#debian Vasistha (n=david@unaffiliated/vasistha) |
| 18:21.39 | dondelelcaro | not a non-pre press copy, and I'd have to dig that up. Any good academic library could get it for you |
| 18:21.56 | catsup | please send the pre press copy |
| 18:21.58 | dondelelcaro | pba: if you are still unable to get it to work, and ifconfig -a; doesn't show an appropriate interface, then we'll need to see the lspci; output, and ideally the dmesg output if possible. |
| 18:22.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 856] by debhelper |
| 18:22.23 | *** join/#debian zarac (i=zarac@c-a228e155.51-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 18:23.08 | *** join/#debian odder___ (n=odder@gjo26.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 18:23.37 | pba | dondelelcaro: uhu, how to past all output here? maybe pastebin? |
| 18:23.42 | dondelelcaro | !paste |
| 18:23.42 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 18:24.10 | *** join/#debian ulrik (n=ulrik@p57B0804F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:24.49 | *** join/#debian tiveron (n=tiveron@c934d9d8.virtua.com.br) |
| 18:25.05 | *** join/#debian Fersure (i=Maybe@unaffiliated/fersure) |
| 18:25.15 | *** join/#debian tiveron (n=tiveron@c934d9d8.virtua.com.br) |
| 18:25.28 | pba | dondelelcaro: http://paste.debian.net/2124/ - lspci |
| 18:25.57 | *** join/#debian DaRtHo (n=anakin@unaffiliated/darthvader/x-892375) |
| 18:26.08 | *** join/#debian namit (n=namit@83-70-241-72.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 18:26.22 | catsup | hm, dpkg should support dcc query for pasting... |
| 18:26.28 | `mac` | was @ postfix chan, they said try asking in here, trying to update could someone please help me to update WARNING: Your ClamAV installation is OUTDATED! |
| 18:26.42 | *** join/#debian namit (n=namit@83-70-241-72.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 18:27.06 | catsup | maybe i will make a pastebot |
| 18:27.17 | dondelelcaro | pba: run pciids, then run lspci again. |
| 18:27.30 | dondelelcaro | `mac`: trying to update what? |
| 18:28.06 | *** join/#debian xlotlu (n=john@92.80.198.103) |
| 18:28.55 | `mac` | clamav |
| 18:28.58 | *** join/#debian agiofws_ (n=agiofws@athedsl-230363.home.otenet.gr) |
| 18:29.21 | Vasistha | `mac`: have you included the volatile repo in your sources.list ? |
| 18:29.34 | `mac` | no its updating fine.. |
| 18:29.51 | catsup | "the ways in which "jurigenisis," the production and stabilization of inhabited normative and legal meanings, requires an ongoing and sometimes conflicting narrative interpretation of codified textual norms." <-- i hate academics |
| 18:29.59 | `mac` | Fetched 2B in 11s (0B/s) Reading package lists... Done |
| 18:30.23 | Vasistha | `mac`: instead, please pastebin your sources.list :) then we'll be able to figure out this clamav thing |
| 18:30.38 | `mac` | thank you so much Vasistha |
| 18:31.32 | `mac` | http://pastebin.hyedomain.com//view.php?id=21 |
| 18:31.33 | *** join/#debian horizon (n=pt@unaffiliated/horizon) |
| 18:32.19 | `mac` | i m using etch 4.0 |
| 18:32.56 | pba | dondelelcaro: yeah, but i need to update manualy ids, cause no lan - no net |
| 18:33.15 | *** join/#debian B-ker (i=beker@189.193.77.214) |
| 18:33.36 | xlotlu | can i attach a file in an e-mail to the BTS? |
| 18:33.50 | Vasistha | `mac`: yeah, you need an entry for debian-volatile if you want to run clamav. see here: http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
| 18:34.10 | `mac` | Vasistha: exellent, let me take a look buddy |
| 18:34.15 | dondelelcaro | xlotlu: yes |
| 18:34.33 | xlotlu | thanks |
| 18:34.57 | *** join/#debian curtmack (n=curtmack@h28.85.141.67.ip.alltel.net) |
| 18:35.09 | *** join/#debian odder (n=odder@gjo26.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 18:35.09 | `mac` | got a make a key, |
| 18:36.07 | *** join/#debian behanw (n=behanw@d38-64-94.commercial1.cgocable.net) |
| 18:36.16 | *** join/#debian simone (n=kvirc@66.251.26.8) |
| 18:36.30 | curtmack | What brand graphics card should I get for a Debian computer? That is, which has the best Linux support (native or third-party, whichever)? |
| 18:36.35 | *** join/#debian grilled-cheese (n=grilled-@74.197.29.187) |
| 18:36.43 | Vasistha | `mac`: something like wget http://www.debian.org/volatile/etch-volatile.asc -O - | apt-key add - |
| 18:37.01 | *** join/#debian bluesceada (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 18:37.01 | `mac` | were would that go in tmp dir? |
| 18:37.13 | *** join/#debian bzsa (n=bzsa@88.132.3.177) |
| 18:37.48 | Vasistha | `mac`: nope. it won't be saved at all. The output of the wget just goes to stdout, which is then piped as input to apt-key add ... then it's gone :) |
| 18:38.17 | Vasistha | `mac`: anyway, good luck with it, I've gotta go to bed. |
| 18:38.23 | *** join/#debian Shadow_mil (n=shaddy@pdpc/active/Shadow-mil) |
| 18:38.25 | `mac` | thank you dude.. |
| 18:38.28 | Vasistha | np |
| 18:38.31 | `mac` | have a awesome day |
| 18:38.44 | xingu | curtmack: it's all a bit of a swamp at the moment, every choice is a compromise; my own suggestion would be any cheap 7950gtx nvidia |
| 18:40.19 | xingu | curtmack: or 7950gt/gx2, whatever |
| 18:40.35 | *** join/#debian rpedro__ (n=rpedro@87-196-51-248.net.novis.pt) |
| 18:40.36 | netdaemon | heh...dd takes a while when piping it through gzip --best, lol |
| 18:41.01 | *** join/#debian brosio (n=brosio@host82-15-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 18:41.10 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@unaffiliated/netecho) |
| 18:41.15 | xingu | netdaemon: pbzip2 any use? |
| 18:41.16 | brosio | how long the debian stable will be support ? |
| 18:41.34 | brosio | for support i mean security fix |
| 18:41.40 | brosio | for the stable branch |
| 18:41.42 | netdaemon | xingu, you mean bzip2? |
| 18:41.48 | xingu | netdaemon: I mean pbzip2 |
| 18:41.55 | *** join/#debian grand_gr1nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-73-168.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:41.56 | *** join/#debian debian (n=chatzill@ti541210a340-0212.bb.online.no) |
| 18:42.01 | debian | !pastebin |
| 18:42.01 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 18:42.07 | netdaemon | xingu, what benefit does it offer over gzip? |
| 18:42.11 | *** part/#debian debian (n=chatzill@ti541210a340-0212.bb.online.no) |
| 18:42.28 | xingu | netdaemon: it's threaded, hence scales up as you add cpu cores. |
| 18:42.33 | *** join/#debian twobitwork (n=isaac@nat/ibm/x-cf46f0385b2c4980) |
| 18:42.41 | netdaemon | oh nice |
| 18:42.47 | netdaemon | and it stores in bzip2 i assume? |
| 18:42.51 | xingu | netdaemon: yup |
| 18:42.56 | netdaemon | shall try =) |
| 18:43.01 | xingu | netdaemon: so's the reference 7zip incidentally |
| 18:43.17 | JyZyXEL | is there a tool to print files as a binary |
| 18:43.32 | *** join/#debian knoxy (n=guilherm@unaffiliated/knoxy) |
| 18:43.40 | JyZyXEL | binary dump of a file |
| 18:43.40 | brosio | does anyone known how long will release the fix for debian stable ? |
| 18:43.51 | abrotman | fix? for what? |
| 18:44.01 | brosio | abrotman, package |
| 18:44.05 | *** join/#debian venger (n=Unknown@cpe-065-188-233-102.triad.res.rr.com) |
| 18:44.07 | abrotman | need more info |
| 18:44.08 | brosio | like apache |
| 18:44.08 | brosio | ecc |
| 18:44.16 | abrotman | the whole thing? |
| 18:44.16 | brosio | when the stable die ? |
| 18:44.26 | abrotman | until roughly one year after the next stable release |
| 18:44.37 | brosio | abrotman, roger thx |
| 18:44.39 | Deezire | huh, setting up mrtg is like entering a minefield. |
| 18:44.50 | abrotman | currently lenny is planned for the end of 2008 .. so etch would be supported til roughly the end of 2009 .. as current plans stand |
| 18:44.55 | JyZyXEL | ??? |
| 18:45.12 | JyZyXEL | god damn apt-get cache search binary |
| 18:45.35 | brosio | thx |
| 18:45.41 | *** join/#debian odder_ (n=odder@wikimedia/odder) |
| 18:45.58 | xingu | "print files as a binary" - in 1's and 0's ? |
| 18:46.03 | JyZyXEL | yea |
| 18:46.26 | JyZyXEL | and seriosly why is echo "A" > testfile; du testfile giving me 4 bytes |
| 18:46.45 | `mac` | clamav: Depends: libclamav3 (>= 0.92.1dfsg) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgmp3 but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
| 18:46.45 | JyZyXEL | in whatkind of sick encoding "A" takes 4 bytes |
| 18:46.56 | mortehu | It's 4 KB |
| 18:47.00 | *** join/#debian cyberfr0g (n=cyberfrg@s20070187.mamutnet.cz) |
| 18:47.05 | `mac` | so i try to install libgmp that didnt work, |
| 18:47.07 | mortehu | Use --apparent-size or however you spell "apparent". |
| 18:47.18 | amphi | JyZyXEL: xxd -b any good to you? |
| 18:47.18 | JyZyXEL | what the hell are you talking about |
| 18:47.27 | curtmack | mortehu: du prints in bytes, doesn't it? |
| 18:47.48 | JyZyXEL | now 4 thousand bytes for one character |
| 18:47.49 | curtmack | unless you specify -h, in which case it labels |
| 18:48.30 | JyZyXEL | seems quite stupid |
| 18:49.26 | mortehu | JyZyXEL: Yes it is, but that's how your filesystem works. |
| 18:49.27 | *** join/#debian nite613 (n=chris@i216-58-80-207.cybersurf.com) |
| 18:49.34 | *** join/#debian versuchsanstalt (n=versuchs@p54855EC6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:49.38 | mortehu | du -b prints bytes. |
| 18:49.42 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:49.58 | JyZyXEL | so empty file consumes how much in ext3 ? |
| 18:50.04 | venger | how can i fix this locale error at the system level (instead .profile, ext)? http://pastebin.com/d5859c160 --- its a debootstap sid box so i figure i've missed something that d-i would have normally taken care of |
| 18:50.23 | mortehu | JyZyXEL: The name itself takes space, of course, as well as the creation date, modification date etc. |
| 18:50.46 | JyZyXEL | but the header has a static size doesn't it? |
| 18:51.12 | JyZyXEL | 4KB ? |
| 18:51.13 | mortehu | The file name is any length. |
| 18:51.17 | *** join/#debian Gryfelhase (n=Gryflhas@p4FD20D69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 18:51.18 | *** join/#debian unixSnob (n=jgombos@99-201-204-113.area4.spcsdns.net) |
| 18:51.26 | *** join/#debian irix (n=irix@gnu/translator/irix) |
| 18:51.26 | mortehu | Disk space is allocated in blocks. |
| 18:51.43 | mortehu | Hence 1 byte costs the same as 2 or 3 or hundreds of bytes. |
| 18:51.59 | *** join/#debian ggeecko (n=ggeecko@c-76-97-44-124.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 18:52.29 | mortehu | A zero byte file takes 0 bytes except the inode and the directory entry (file name), though. |
| 18:52.35 | *** join/#debian e4rth (n=martian6@S01060014bfdd953c.ed.shawcable.net) |
| 18:52.37 | JyZyXEL | echo "A" > testfile; hexdump testfile |
| 18:52.44 | JyZyXEL | 0x0a41 |
| 18:52.47 | *** join/#debian davidc007_ (n=chatzill@c-76-110-254-94.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 18:52.55 | JyZyXEL | im using UTF-8 encoding |
| 18:52.57 | mortehu | A and the newline. |
| 18:53.10 | JyZyXEL | oh well in that case |
| 18:53.11 | *** join/#debian blubberdiblub (i=foobar@dslb-088-072-172-039.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:53.19 | JyZyXEL | didn't know it adds a SPC |
| 18:53.32 | mortehu | Try echo -n "A" |
| 18:53.41 | *** join/#debian n8ature (n=n8ature@189.135.26.7) |
| 18:53.49 | JyZyXEL | 0041 |
| 18:53.53 | *** join/#debian gpm (n=gpm@c-76-102-193-24.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 18:53.56 | mortehu | Try it without the > |
| 18:54.06 | mortehu | Then you'll see why you should have known it added a newline. :P |
| 18:54.12 | *** join/#debian Mantaar (n=Mantaar@mendelssohn.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 18:54.59 | venger | apparently all i needed to was dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:55.11 | JyZyXEL | ok now its ok |
| 18:55.12 | davidc007_ | I swapped in a hot swap disk after boot, the 3ware 9650se sees the card, how do i get udev to rescan for sata drives it didnt see during boot? |
| 18:55.18 | JyZyXEL | universe is working properly |
| 18:55.21 | *** join/#debian rpedro_ (n=rpedro@87-196-152-208.net.novis.pt) |
| 18:55.44 | *** part/#debian curtmack (n=curtmack@h28.85.141.67.ip.alltel.net) |
| 18:55.58 | *** join/#debian o2T7 (n=wepssain@85.137.103.231.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 18:56.28 | *** join/#debian martian67 (n=martian6@about/linux/regular/martian67) |
| 18:56.38 | *** join/#debian Gunirus (n=Gunirus@unaffiliated/Gunirus) |
| 18:57.00 | *** join/#debian dwr (i=dwr@host-80-95-41-202.dialup.sura.ru) |
| 18:57.18 | *** join/#debian Biohazard (n=mahdi@blfd-4db511cb.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 18:57.47 | *** join/#debian keta (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 18:58.06 | *** join/#debian Gunirus (n=Gunirus@unaffiliated/Gunirus) |
| 18:58.13 | *** join/#debian odder (n=odder@gjo26.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 18:58.42 | *** join/#debian foobar8 (n=user@dslb-088-064-148-073.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:58.56 | o2T7 | hi. my dvd rewriter burns ilegible discs. It works fine under evil OS's, but I can't get it done on debian. It is a sata device, more precisely an LG |
| 18:59.00 | davidc007_ | anyone familiar with 3ware cards in debian? |
| 18:59.15 | o2T7 | sorry: model GH20NS10 * |
| 18:59.31 | dondelelcaro | davidc007_: best to just ask your question |
| 19:00.02 | o2T7 | My dmesg line: "sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray" |
| 19:00.24 | `mac` | not trying to mass up the system, found some resolts .. getting error on clamav: Depends: libclamav3 (>= 0.92.1dfsg) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgmp3 but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
| 19:00.49 | *** join/#debian grand_grunt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-63-140.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:00.52 | xingu | davidc007_: http://www-941.ibm.com/collaboration/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=3625 |
| 19:00.53 | davidc007_ | after hot swapping a disk into my 3ware 9650se, debian doesn't see the disk though its OK in 3dm. How to get debian to re-look for disks? udev force-reload didnt do it |
| 19:01.00 | davidc007_ | if i reboot its too much like windows |
| 19:01.00 | xingu | davidc007_: try your luck with that lot |
| 19:01.06 | davidc007_ | thanks |
| 19:01.21 | `mac` | lol davidc007_ |
| 19:01.51 | n8ature | davidc007_: i think you want to know how to get your drive to show show up as /dev/sdX .. im not sure how to do that |
| 19:02.10 | netdaemon | xingu, i can feel my proc warming up pretty good, haha |
| 19:02.26 | xingu | I think that if he's using the scsi midlayer he wants to tell it to rescan per the ibm article. |
| 19:02.52 | *** join/#debian _danilo (n=dnl@189.25.130.66) |
| 19:02.53 | xingu | netdaemon: you should see it thunder along on a 32-way box :) |
| 19:03.06 | *** join/#debian akafurious (n=akafurio@CPE00121713f42b-CM000a73a87e26.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 19:03.09 | davidc007_ | it IS SCSI |
| 19:03.10 | netdaemon | oh i wish i could afford a 32 way box |
| 19:03.43 | o2T7 | I didn't use sata optical drives before. I am using debian lenny with a 2.6.24-1-686, what could be wrong? |
| 19:03.44 | *** join/#debian rav1 (n=ravn@c83-248-81-239.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 19:03.48 | *** join/#debian MrNaz (n=MrNaz@ppp-58-10-102-104.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 19:04.03 | tiveron | exit |
| 19:04.07 | davidc007_ | got 2 quad xeons 2.3 ghz here, 8 x 750gb disk, 16gb ram, for Xen |
| 19:04.19 | *** join/#debian Shisui` (i=chris@AAmiens-152-1-39-204.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:04.35 | `mac` | davidc007_: i got the same system :) but with 32ram |
| 19:04.39 | netdaemon | xingu, i still think overall, gzip is faster...just not as good of compression rate =\ |
| 19:04.55 | *** join/#debian p3rti (n=ivan@190.96.131.164) |
| 19:04.59 | *** join/#debian odder__ (n=odder@gjo26.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 19:05.08 | `mac` | hd 10t raid |
| 19:05.11 | xingu | netdaemon: use the -0 ... -9 levels in bzip2 to bias. |
| 19:05.18 | Deezire | davidc007_: what raid are the disks in? |
| 19:05.42 | *** join/#debian Biohazard (i=mahdi@blfd-4db511cb.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 19:05.44 | `mac` | could someone please help me out on this broken pkg, |
| 19:05.48 | venger | o2T7 i use sata drives without issue, are you saying that the burn app completes without error and is illegible as in immountable on the same drive that created it? |
| 19:05.57 | davidc007_ | 2 in raid 1, 6 in raid 0 |
| 19:06.00 | o2T7 | venger: That's it |
| 19:06.05 | *** join/#debian jisatsu (n=leslie@jisatsusha.plus.com) |
| 19:06.09 | davidc007_ | last raid 0 giving me issue |
| 19:06.19 | o2T7 | venger: and unmountable in other devices as well |
| 19:06.25 | davidc007_ | mac what are u doing with ur box? |
| 19:06.40 | `mac` | not trying to brake it lol :) |
| 19:06.43 | `mac` | not trying to mass up the system, found some resolts .. getting error on clamav: Depends: libclamav3 (>= 0.92.1dfsg) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgmp3 but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
| 19:06.45 | venger | o2T7, dmesg isn't giving any io related errors? |
| 19:06.51 | netdaemon | i think i need to build a NAS |
| 19:07.06 | o2T7 | venger: nope, I can't see any errors anywhere. neither on /var/log/messages |
| 19:07.42 | *** join/#debian alkasteve (n=kvirc@cpc2-linc8-0-0-cust695.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:08.07 | xingu | o2T7: try using a different burn speed; dvd+rw-mediainfo will tell you what profiles the media has |
| 19:08.42 | *** join/#debian s`k (n=endofhea@c-24-60-145-130.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 19:08.48 | xingu | o2T7: it's totally ordinary for media to fail to burn at all if growisofs auto-picks the wrong one. |
| 19:09.58 | o2T7 | xingu: I run k3b from terminal. It shows there the profiles, and no errors. I'll try to burn smaller files and set the speed manually |
| 19:10.24 | *** join/#debian bier_ (n=bier@p54A5474E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:10.24 | rav1 | hey ppl, trying to learn autotools, and then I read that m4 is a "macro processor". But I don't quite understand what that is, anyone care to explain? What is a macro I guess is the key question here =) |
| 19:10.28 | xingu | o2T7: OPC is the buzzword; and depending on drive/ firmware/ application used/ phase of the moon you could well totally differing results |
| 19:10.40 | xingu | o2T7: probably useful to work out what power level 'doze is using. |
| 19:11.08 | xingu | o2T7: power level is roughly synonymous with burn speed - the former determines the latter |
| 19:11.26 | *** join/#debian shellito (n=shellito@200.122.232.15) |
| 19:11.56 | AwesomeGuy | its weird how the iso burns at 8x when i told it to go at 1x |
| 19:12.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 865] by debhelper |
| 19:12.20 | *** join/#debian odder___ (n=odder@gjo26.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 19:12.34 | o2T7 | I don't know how to determine the OPC that evil uses, I'll try with a burning speed showed as good by k3b's stdout |
| 19:12.41 | *** join/#debian chardy (n=chr@pc-157-125-86-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 19:12.50 | xingu | o2T7: if your problem is "passes OPC, but burns duds" then you may have another issue - but controlling burn power is definitely the place to start, try one at pessimistic settings - growisofs --speed=1 or whatever. |
| 19:12.51 | *** join/#debian milligan_ (n=Milligan@134.84-49-201.nextgentel.com) |
| 19:13.08 | *** part/#debian chardy (n=chr@pc-157-125-86-200.cm.vtr.net) |
| 19:13.50 | o2T7 | xingu: Sorry, I don't understand the last |
| 19:13.56 | milligan_ | I've installed the nvidia gfx driver, "the debian way". Everything seems fine till GDM is ment to pop up the loginshell. The screen is just black. I checked the xorg.0.log, and it doesn't have any errors in it. I was thinking the rates for the monitor might be wrong, but shouldn't that show up as "out of range" if they are? |
| 19:14.13 | xingu | o2T7: the problem with OPC is that it only tests a burn in the test track, not across the disc; so if you're pushing the limits (least-cost hardware, fast burn speed) then you may well have calibration error by the time you reach the edge of the stroke |
| 19:14.52 | xingu | o2T7: so the test-case is "am I still burning coasters using growisofs with --speed=1" - if so, then this isn't your problem; if yes - it probably is. |
| 19:15.16 | o2T7 | xingu: Oh, ok |
| 19:15.17 | xingu | err - "if no, it probably is" |
| 19:15.30 | Mantaar | milligan_: there are numerous screen-stays-black bugs with those *@!#astic drivers. Are you able to switch VTs while the screen is black. |
| 19:15.33 | Mantaar | ? |
| 19:15.41 | milligan_ | nope. |
| 19:16.11 | Mantaar | So your box is in a hard freeze? |
| 19:16.38 | milligan_ | It would seem so .. but if I press ctrl+alt+del, it takes a while, and then reboots.. so it seems like it's responding to the keyboard input. |
| 19:16.39 | xingu | o2T7: growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvdrw=image.iso -speed=1 |
| 19:16.44 | xingu | o2T7: or similar. |
| 19:16.47 | Mantaar | Does Magic SysRq or sshing into the machine work? |
| 19:16.59 | o2T7 | xingu: Ok, I'll make the iso |
| 19:17.09 | *** join/#debian darkstar (n=darkstar@unaffiliated/darkstar) |
| 19:17.15 | Mantaar | milligan_: ah. Ok, so SysRq actually should work as well. Do you see a cursor, not blinking in the upper left corner of the screen? |
| 19:17.26 | shyam_k | whats the ideal way to get lenny?update from etch?or installing one weekly cd?or net install? |
| 19:17.28 | xingu | o2T7: oh the other delightful thing is that HD-DVD drives commonly can't read dvd+rw format at all (wrong laser) |
| 19:17.52 | shyam_k | s/ideal/best/ |
| 19:18.08 | xingu | o2T7: just bear that in mind if that's how you're testing the result and use dvd-r media or whatever. |
| 19:18.18 | milligan_ | Mantaar, I don't see anything. The screen just goes black, and sits like that till I press ctrl+alt+del. To boot it now, I booted in single user, and returned to the orignal xorg.conf that was backed up when I ran nvidia-xconfig |
| 19:18.23 | pba | dondelelcaro: i update pciids manually and now get controller name in lspci output, but how it helps my eth0 which i cant see? |
| 19:18.46 | *** join/#debian pngwn (i=pngwn@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee) |
| 19:18.48 | milligan_ | Mantaar, it's _possible_ that something might be blinking outside the view of the screen .. but I doubt it. |
| 19:19.31 | Mantaar | milligan_: No, it usually *wouldn't* blink ;-) But on the other hand, my machine had a hard lockup then. Is it possible that the resolution is out of range for your CRT (if it is a CRT)? |
| 19:19.53 | *** join/#debian teer (n=teer@216.165.198.242) |
| 19:20.29 | teer | hello, I've install centos on one drive. I recently added an identical one. I would like to do RAID-1 (mirror the already existing drive). How do I go about doing it without losing the data in the mirrored drive? |
| 19:20.32 | *** join/#debian noncents (n=justindr@h-66-166-250-36.dnvtco56.covad.net) |
| 19:20.46 | `mac` | need to update ClamAV .. could someone please help me ..http://pastebin.hyedomain.com//view.php?id=22 |
| 19:20.54 | teer | well s/centos/linux/g; |
| 19:20.59 | xingu | milligan_: best bet is to pastebin your Xorg.0.log from one of these ghost runs. |
| 19:21.07 | milligan_ | Mantaar, LCD. The sync is the only thing I can think of atm .. I just find it a bit strange, because I would think the nvidia standard config would use pretty sane settings.. ? |
| 19:21.13 | asg | teer: #centos or google for linux raid howto |
| 19:21.24 | davidc007_ | this was solution from that wiki page |
| 19:21.26 | davidc007_ | To initiate a SCSI bus rescan type echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/hostX/scan where X stands for the SCSI bus you want to scan. |
| 19:21.28 | davidc007_ | tanks! |
| 19:21.37 | milligan_ | xingu, yeah, I could do that I s'pose. |
| 19:21.43 | Pulpie | hello |
| 19:21.51 | Mantaar | milligan_: absolutely. No, on a LCD this should actually work. Have you tried the new Beta-driver? |
| 19:21.54 | xingu | milligan_: on the whole the nvidia drivers trust EDID where present |
| 19:22.04 | Pulpie | whats the best driver to use for a radeon x1650? |
| 19:22.13 | milligan_ | Mantaar, I just followed the debian wiki howto. |
| 19:22.26 | milligan_ | xingu, EDID ? |
| 19:22.49 | Mantaar | milligan_: that is data the monitor can send to the card to indentify itself. |
| 19:23.19 | milligan_ | ah |
| 19:23.25 | xingu | milligan_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDID |
| 19:23.27 | milligan_ | so it might have messed up the syncs ? |
| 19:23.31 | *** join/#debian HSorgYves_ (n=HSorgYve@ppp-110-169.adsl.restena.lu) |
| 19:23.48 | Mantaar | milligan_: Debian way. Ok, that means you're not on the beta driver. Well, we're at NVidia's mercy here... you can try different versions of your driver and the nvnews support forum. |
| 19:24.06 | xingu | .. and pastebinning the Xorg.0.log .. :) |
| 19:24.13 | `mac` | thank you.. could someone plz help me out on this.. |
| 19:24.14 | *** join/#debian nslater (n=nslater@bytesexual.org) |
| 19:24.23 | *** part/#debian davidc007_ (n=chatzill@c-76-110-254-94.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 19:24.29 | milligan_ | Mantaar, :-\ I was hoping nvidia was easy to make work.. that's why I bought nvidia in the first place. Oh well. |
| 19:24.32 | nslater | how would i get a user's real name from the shell? |
| 19:24.37 | milligan_ | xingu, let me do a testrun and pastebin it. |
| 19:24.53 | *** join/#debian grand_gr1nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-2-84.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:24.56 | `mac` | nslater: it sould be in passwd |
| 19:24.56 | xingu | nslater: `whoami` ? |
| 19:25.15 | nslater | xingu: no, that only gives user name |
| 19:25.18 | `mac` | also you can check on their uid |
| 19:25.25 | nslater | `mac`: it's no in passwd as far as I can see |
| 19:25.32 | `mac` | lol |
| 19:25.38 | `mac` | no man /etc/passwd |
| 19:25.56 | Mantaar | milligan_: in this case NVidia is just like Macs. Easy to operate, as long as they operate. If they die, you're out of luck. |
| 19:25.57 | `mac` | not trying to mass up the system, found some resolts .. getting error on clamav: Depends: libclamav3 (>= 0.92.1dfsg) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgmp3 but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
| 19:26.08 | `mac` | need to update ClamAV .. could someone please help me .. http://pastebin.hyedomain.com//view.php?id=22 |
| 19:26.08 | noncents | nslater "finger"? |
| 19:26.21 | noncents | or w or who |
| 19:26.24 | milligan_ | Mantaar, :-\. Mantaar, xingu , brb with the pastebin of the logs. |
| 19:26.40 | nslater | ah, it is in /etc/passwd but i dont want to parse that in my script, i was hoping for a way to run a command that prints it to stdout |
| 19:26.53 | `mac` | noncents: stop giving him wrong infos |
| 19:27.06 | `mac` | read the handbook |
| 19:27.17 | orveldv_ | besides using the aptitude gui, is there some way to tell aptitude that when I uninstall an app (like kpovmodeler) I don't want to uninstall the rest of the packages that were pulled in by a metapackage (like kdegraphics in this case)? |
| 19:27.26 | nslater | `mac`: are you talking to me? :/ |
| 19:27.34 | noncents | that will work if he's talking about a user who is logged on. |
| 19:27.38 | `mac` | nslater: ?? what you wan a know? |
| 19:27.43 | noncents | and the services aren't disabled |
| 19:27.51 | nslater | `mac`: i want to know how to get the real name of the current user |
| 19:27.57 | `mac` | i just told you |
| 19:28.06 | nslater | `mac`: i must have missed it, which bit? |
| 19:28.15 | nslater | `mac`: i dont want to parse /etc/passwd by hand |
| 19:28.16 | `mac` | vi /etc/passwd |
| 19:28.30 | nslater | `mac`: yeah, but i want to do this in a script without parsing by hand |
| 19:28.32 | catsup | never vi /etc/passwd |
| 19:28.34 | catsup | vipw |
| 19:28.50 | noncents | cat /etc/passwd | grep name |
| 19:28.59 | Xenguy | nslater: whoami ? |
| 19:29.01 | amphi | !uuoc |
| 19:29.01 | dpkg | UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient. |
| 19:29.06 | nslater | noncents: that wont work, because it requires parsing, which i dont want to do |
| 19:29.08 | Pulpie | hey I need help with my radeon x1650, whats the best way to install the driver for it |
| 19:29.09 | catsup | grep ^name: /etc/passwd |
| 19:29.16 | pleed | catsup: why not vi /etc/passwd? |
| 19:29.24 | Xenguy | nslater: nm |
| 19:29.25 | `mac` | his not root |
| 19:29.28 | nslater | Xenguy: no, i need real name not username |
| 19:29.33 | catsup | pleed: vi does not automically replace files |
| 19:29.34 | *** join/#debian vjoe (i=hugo@a83-132-73-41.cpe.netcabo.pt) |
| 19:29.37 | `mac` | it might not show let me see.. |
| 19:29.37 | noncents | dpkg, lol trying to show all the steps. :) |
| 19:29.37 | dpkg | noncents: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 19:29.43 | Xenguy | nslater: right, just noticed in the buffer |
| 19:29.47 | *** join/#debian Biohazard (i=mahdi@blfd-4db505a9.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 19:29.51 | vjoe | helloooooo... la, la, la |
| 19:29.58 | nslater | i dont want to edit /etc/passwd or even process the file - I just want a command that prints out a real name |
| 19:30.13 | nslater | it seems like there should be such a command to do that |
| 19:30.24 | *** join/#debian hark (n=strider@hark.slew.org) |
| 19:30.27 | *** join/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 19:30.43 | *** part/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 19:31.06 | Xenguy | nslater: you'll need to check /etc/passwd I think; you can grep for userid, then use 'cut' if you need to |
| 19:31.28 | catsup | perl -F: -lane 'print $F[4] if $F[0] eq "'d'"' /etc/passwd |
| 19:31.30 | *** join/#debian unixSnob (n=jgombos@68-31-143-198.area4.spcsdns.net) |
| 19:31.32 | catsup | erm |
| 19:31.37 | nslater | ugh, I dont want to parse it by hand though :( |
| 19:31.44 | catsup | perl -F: -lane 'print $F[4] if $F[0] eq "USER"' /etc/passwd |
| 19:31.50 | noncents | sed and awk might be your friends for that script |
| 19:32.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 855] by debhelper |
| 19:32.22 | *** part/#debian goksin (n=goksinak@88.229.164.203) |
| 19:33.04 | *** join/#debian meandrain (n=aaa@unixware.iasi.rdsnet.ro) |
| 19:33.11 | catsup | nslater: just replace USER |
| 19:33.15 | Xenguy | nslater: I think this may work: grep youruserid /etc/passwd |cut -d':' -f5 |
| 19:33.19 | meandrain | hello. Any idea howto disable iptables firewall under debian? |
| 19:33.51 | `mac` | could someone please help me update this clamVA |
| 19:33.53 | dondelelcaro | nslater: use getent |
| 19:33.54 | catsup | Xenguy: grep ^username: |
| 19:33.59 | asg | nslater: then put what catsup wrote or some other viable construction in a script, stick the script in /usr/local/bin and then you won't have to ever again. |
| 19:34.03 | `mac` | not trying to mass up the system, found some resolts .. getting error on clamav: Depends: libclamav3 (>= 0.92.1dfsg) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgmp3 but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
| 19:34.08 | *** join/#debian ggeecko_ (n=ggeecko@c-76-97-44-124.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 19:34.14 | dondelelcaro | you shouldn't ever be parsing /etc/password manually. |
| 19:34.15 | `mac` | need to update ClamAV .. could someone please help me http://pastebin.hyedomain.com//view.php?id=22 |
| 19:34.21 | Xenguy | catsup: I don't think the regex is necessary actually |
| 19:34.22 | *** join/#debian LeGreffi3R (n=greffier@089156169101.chello.fr) |
| 19:34.23 | nslater | asg: i would like to find a way to do this without parsing, people seem to be missing that bit :) |
| 19:34.29 | dondelelcaro | pba: if someone else hasn't answered for you, that'l tell us exactly which ethernet card you've got. |
| 19:34.38 | *** join/#debian grand_gr2nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-40-214.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:34.40 | catsup | Xenguy: grep userid will match user 1000 when you input 100 |
| 19:34.53 | catsup | Xenguy: and other things. you need to specify that the match is exact |
| 19:34.54 | *** join/#debian Cobra^^ (n=aa@Ua4db.u.pppool.de) |
| 19:34.59 | xingu | nslater: getent passwd `whoami` | awk '{ print substr($5, 1, index($5, ",")-1) }' |
| 19:35.17 | `mac` | chmod 600 /etc/passwd |
| 19:35.17 | xingu | nslater: getent passwd `whoami` | awk -F: '{ print substr($5, 1, index($5, ",")-1) }' |
| 19:35.19 | xingu | rather |
| 19:35.24 | Xenguy | catsup: huh? If the UID is unique, then it's only going to retrieve 1 line, yes? |
| 19:35.25 | xingu | nslater: GECOS is all _about_ the parsing. |
| 19:35.27 | *** join/#debian milligan_ (n=Milligan@134.84-49-201.nextgentel.com) |
| 19:35.47 | nslater | `mac`: why are you telling me to fiddle with file perms on /etc/passwd? :/ |
| 19:35.47 | *** join/#debian creitos (n=creitos@nat1.inalambrica.net) |
| 19:35.49 | xingu | it's a bunch of wild assumptions half-baked into a historical standard that you violate at your own peril |
| 19:36.02 | dondelelcaro | nslater: the gecos field isn't necessarily standardized, but getent passwd don|cut -d: -f5|cut -d, -f1; is always what you want. |
| 19:36.08 | catsup | Xenguy: you need to specify the match is exact. grep d /etc/passwd will match a lot of things, grep '^d:' will match only my user |
| 19:36.12 | `mac` | my system i set 600 so you cant even read grep or anything.. feel me |
| 19:36.24 | nslater | why do you do that? |
| 19:36.24 | `mac` | not sure about the system that your in.. |
| 19:36.25 | pba | dondelelcaro: its a 00:19.0: Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82566DC-2 Gigabit Network Connection [8086:294c] (rev 02) according to lspci |
| 19:36.37 | `mac` | nslater: so ppl like you wont read the infos |
| 19:36.39 | meandrain | Any idea howto disable iptables firewall under debian? |
| 19:36.41 | *** join/#debian bit0 (n=Jose0007@61.Red-80-24-119.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 19:36.41 | `mac` | or read /home dir |
| 19:36.44 | catsup | um |
| 19:36.48 | dondelelcaro | pba: ok, in theory, modprobe e1000; should enable it for you. |
| 19:36.50 | Xenguy | catsup: I think you are overcomplicating it frankly, but go ahead if you must ;-) |
| 19:36.52 | nslater | `mac`: you realise that's what /etc/shaddow is for? |
| 19:36.55 | catsup | Xenguy: no |
| 19:37.01 | catsup | Xenguy: you cannot just grep |
| 19:37.03 | *** join/#debian flyingparchment (n=river@clematis.knams.wikimedia.org) |
| 19:37.12 | *** join/#debian onur (n=onur@92.113.241.243) |
| 19:37.18 | nslater | `mac`: also, how do you expect /etc/passwd to work if it's not world readable |
| 19:37.18 | catsup | Xenguy: you need to match the right field in entirety, otherwise it is just broken |
| 19:37.19 | Xenguy | catsup: I can, and if it works, then so be it :P |
| 19:37.21 | `mac` | show has the same permission so is group extra.. |
| 19:37.23 | *** join/#debian macuser-_ (n=Hanif@CPE0012171a3a07-CM0014e8b55f46.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 19:37.26 | catsup | Xenguy: it doesn't work |
| 19:37.29 | *** join/#debian surgeon (n=surgeon@binford.kawo2.RWTH-Aachen.DE) |
| 19:37.30 | flyingparchment | i'm trying to boot the sparc64 tftp installer (boot.img) on a SPARC Enterprise T5120. after loading the image, opb prints this: "ERROR: Last Trap: Illegal Instruction" and returns to the ok prompt. what's wrong? |
| 19:37.31 | noncents | 'mac' how can you not allow read access to etc/password and have it check the file when users login? |
| 19:37.33 | milligan_ | Maliuta, xingu, http://usr.no/xorg.txt and http://usr.no/xorgconf.txt |
| 19:37.33 | pba | dondelelcaro: emmm... where is ethX interfaces or ethernet devices are? |
| 19:37.36 | flyingparchment | (i already tried a cold boot) |
| 19:37.37 | `mac` | ya its not readable by user |
| 19:37.39 | Xenguy | catsup: you assert duplication that I don't think actually happens *in practice* |
| 19:37.46 | nslater | `mac`: then there is no point in having it on the system |
| 19:37.51 | dondelelcaro | pba: ifconfig -a; will show them all to you. |
| 19:38.04 | catsup | Xenguy: are you trolling? it works if you happen to have the right contents in your passwd |
| 19:38.05 | nslater | `mac`: various processes need to read that file when users log in |
| 19:38.20 | catsup | $ grep d /etc/passwd|wc -l |
| 19:38.21 | catsup | 16 |
| 19:38.21 | `mac` | well, good luck on does various proc. |
| 19:38.30 | nslater | hmm? |
| 19:38.33 | pba | dondelelcaro: no, i mean as devices, like hda, sda, tty, etc |
| 19:38.36 | Xenguy | catsup: if I know my userid, then it works - now enough of your trolling if you don't mind :P |
| 19:38.42 | nslater | dondelelcaro: thanks, that worked |
| 19:38.45 | catsup | Xenguy: NO, it DOESN'T |
| 19:38.50 | dondelelcaro | pba: there aren't normal devices for ethernet cards |
| 19:39.00 | catsup | Xenguy: your userid could occur in other fields in a number of ways |
| 19:39.06 | dondelelcaro | pba: they get things like eth0, et al., which you can see using ifconfig -a; |
| 19:39.37 | *** join/#debian shyam_k` (n=user@117.196.129.25) |
| 19:40.11 | catsup | Xenguy: some other user could have 1000 in their GECOS field, someone could be a member of group 1000, you might want to use the script to find the GECOS field of root, ... |
| 19:40.15 | pba | dondelelcaro: sry, only lo in output |
| 19:40.35 | catsup | Xenguy: in any of those cases, the error in your approach is manifest |
| 19:40.37 | dondelelcaro | pba: even with the -a? which kernel version are you running (uname -a)? what does lsmod; output? |
| 19:40.44 | Xenguy | catsup: well fine, it works on *my* /etc/passwd, but maybe it doesn't in yours. Anyway this is pretty pedantic at this point - let's just say that if less isn't sufficient then go ahead and use more |
| 19:40.52 | milligan_ | Maliuta, xingu , looks allright, doesn't it ? |
| 19:40.54 | catsup | Xenguy: sigh |
| 19:40.55 | noncents | kernel version is uname -r |
| 19:40.57 | catsup | Xenguy: it's not LESS, it's WRONG |
| 19:40.59 | noncents | not uname -a |
| 19:41.05 | *** join/#debian dv_ (n=dv@80-121-40-66.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 19:41.08 | catsup | Xenguy: you're unbelievable man, seriously... |
| 19:41.11 | meandrain | Any idea howto disable iptables firewall under debian? |
| 19:41.18 | Xenguy | catsup: chill please |
| 19:41.19 | *** join/#debian grand_grunt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-77-150.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:41.22 | dondelelcaro | noncents: uh... uname -a is the superset of which uname -r is a subset. |
| 19:41.34 | asg | meandrain: it depends on how it was started. Do you know? |
| 19:41.45 | noncents | ok, I'll give ya that one. :) |
| 19:41.53 | meandrain | asg: no. I have a script in /etc/init.d |
| 19:42.05 | *** join/#debian Biolunar (i=mahdi@blfd-4db51531.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 19:42.07 | asg | meandrain: provided you aren't mangling or natting, /sbin/iptables -F will do the trick |
| 19:42.18 | p3rti | how can i make a dd backup of a partition that the size is 10Gb but it only using 1GB i want that the dd file has 1GB only not 10GB |
| 19:42.22 | p3rti | someone can help me? |
| 19:42.23 | catsup | Xenguy: is that how you program? if a bug doesn't show itself with some particular input you don't fix it? if your watch is stopped but it has the right time right now don't see a problem? |
| 19:42.29 | Xenguy | catsup: grep ^youruserid /etc/passwd |cut -d':' -f5 |
| 19:42.29 | *** part/#debian n8ature (n=n8ature@189.135.26.7) |
| 19:42.39 | meandrain | asg: yes but I have default policy to drop on FORWARD, it would block my lan users |
| 19:42.40 | catsup | Xenguy: again, grep ^username: |
| 19:42.40 | Xenguy | catsup: there, no chill and be happy :-) |
| 19:42.42 | asg | meandrain: however, a 'grep -ilr iptables-restore /etc' will probably show you what is starting it. |
| 19:42.43 | dondelelcaro | p3rti: run the dd output through gzip |
| 19:42.52 | `mac` | found some resolts on the web didnt help much .. getting error on clamav: Depends: libclamav3 (>= 0.92.1dfsg) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libgmp3 but it is not installable E: Broken packages |
| 19:43.15 | dondelelcaro | `mac`: you need to give us the apt-cache policy; output for all of the relevant packages. |
| 19:43.16 | Xenguy | catsup: grep ^yourusername /etc/passwd |cut -d':' -f5 |
| 19:43.24 | catsup | that is still wrong... |
| 19:43.25 | dondelelcaro | again, don't ever grep /etc/passwd. |
| 19:43.29 | meandrain | asg: is a way to let rules be there but just disable firewall (like in freebsd for example: ipfw disable firewall, command)? |
| 19:43.33 | dondelelcaro | getent exists for a reason |
| 19:43.38 | *** join/#debian keta (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 19:43.43 | xingu | getent passwd `whoami` | sed -e 's/^\(\([^:]*:\)\{4\}\)\([^,:]*\)[,:].*/\3/' |
| 19:43.50 | nslater | WOAH |
| 19:43.52 | asg | xingu: hahaha |
| 19:43.54 | noncents | why never grep etc/passwd? |
| 19:43.55 | Xenguy | dondelelcaro: is it dangerous to grep /etc/passwd or something? |
| 19:44.01 | noncents | don't vi it I know, but grep? |
| 19:44.04 | asg | noncents: because there is getent |
| 19:44.06 | `mac` | it says this when i try to upgrade..The following packages have been kept back: clamav clamav-freshclam libclamav2 |
| 19:44.13 | p3rti | dondelelcaro, but then only compresss the 10GB not make the backup of the 1GB of data the remain 9 GB is empty |
| 19:44.13 | asg | noncents: and not all accounts exist in /etc/passwd |
| 19:44.14 | catsup | the semantics are different with getent |
| 19:44.21 | catsup | if you have NIS users or something |
| 19:44.33 | nslater | Xenguy: because grep doesnt handle all input properly |
| 19:44.33 | dondelelcaro | noncents: because it won't work if you're using ldap, or similar. |
| 19:44.36 | catsup | but maybe you actually want to read the contents of /etc/passwd, maybe you want the different semantics... |
| 19:44.40 | *** part/#debian nslater (n=nslater@bytesexual.org) |
| 19:44.54 | Xenguy | ooookkkkkkkk |
| 19:44.59 | Xenguy | backs away slowly... |
| 19:45.14 | `mac` | picked himself from the floor slowly |
| 19:45.20 | asg | meandrain: you could try rmmod iptables but I don't know if that will work if it's active. See /usr/share/doc/iptables/README* for reasons why there is no standard firewall on Debian post-sarge |
| 19:45.33 | pba | dondelelcaro: here is uname -a and lsmod http://paste.debian.net/2128/ |
| 19:45.42 | *** join/#debian streuner_ (n=streuner@p54A5FA0C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:45.52 | asg | catsup: what different semantics? |
| 19:45.58 | meandrain | asg: thanx |
| 19:46.03 | *** join/#debian bkw- (n=bkw@h-235-0.A189.cust.bahnhof.se) |
| 19:46.05 | `mac` | The following packages have been kept back: clamav clamav-freshclam libclamav2 .. what can i do? what sould i do? |
| 19:46.19 | dondelelcaro | pba: ok, and you don't see anything when you 'ifconfig -a'; and there's nothing useful in dmesg? |
| 19:46.21 | Xenguy | whatis getent |
| 19:46.26 | Xenguy | ooops |
| 19:46.53 | catsup | asg: like xingu said, getent will use the full nsswitch, it will read from user databases other than passwd, such as NIS or LDAP |
| 19:46.57 | asg | Xenguy: you run it after you entstat(1) |
| 19:48.23 | asg | catsup: yes, yes it will. If by 'differenet semantics' you mean 'only read from /etc/passwd', then '<whatever> /etc/passwd' is fine. |
| 19:48.26 | *** join/#debian AwesomeGuy (i=812c73e2@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-e7565ad0483195df) |
| 19:48.33 | *** join/#debian Swissgent (n=upvr@84-73-66-39.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:48.44 | xingu | milligan_: ok so it looks like either your Xorg.0.log is trimmed, or, the display server is actually dying just after initialising RENDER extn and before or during whatever is next on the list. |
| 19:48.51 | catsup | asg: by different, i mean that only reading from passwd is different from using nsswitch |
| 19:48.57 | AwesomeGuy | I installed the full 1st cd, right, and it installed grub when it was done, and I just get 'error 2' when it loads |
| 19:49.02 | AwesomeGuy | Loading grub... |
| 19:49.04 | AwesomeGuy | Error 2 |
| 19:49.12 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 19:49.28 | *** join/#debian keta_ (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 19:49.38 | *** part/#debian `mac` (i=freebsd@adsl-76-237-57-6.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:49.41 | milligan_ | xingu, yeah, I noticed. It's not trimmed. I just scp'ed the file. The question is why it's dying. Considering stuff seems fine so far, perhaps I should just try reinstalling everything. |
| 19:49.47 | *** join/#debian jim (n=jim@unaffiliated/jim) |
| 19:50.24 | xingu | milligan_: could be; my gut-instinct guess would be a slightly botched nvidia-glx install |
| 19:50.26 | *** join/#debian Lrrr (n=user@bas1-sherbrooke40-1177557507.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 19:50.40 | *** part/#debian Lrrr (n=user@bas1-sherbrooke40-1177557507.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 19:50.46 | xingu | milligan_: ie, maybe mesa-glx is also currently present and playing silly buggers - or something. |
| 19:50.48 | *** join/#debian derchris^ (n=derchris@87-194-89-163.bethere.co.uk) |
| 19:51.07 | xingu | milligan_: xorg should go on to init the other default extn's after that point, like MIT-SHM for example |
| 19:51.19 | pba | dondelelcaro: here is some output http://paste.debian.net/2130/ |
| 19:51.29 | xingu | milligan_: maybe a strace would be useful, but I'm about to skive off for dinner so... |
| 19:52.01 | xingu | milligan_: but anyway, that's the current prognosis - xorg is browning its jocks during early init, while initialising the default extensions |
| 19:52.05 | milligan_ | I'll try reinstalling and see what happens. |
| 19:52.07 | *** join/#debian pngwn (i=pngwn@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee) |
| 19:52.24 | *** join/#debian salami (n=sal@78.14-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 19:52.37 | xingu | milligan_: until you get "(II) Initializing extension GLX" in there there's not much further forward we can go |
| 19:53.02 | *** join/#debian Rprp (n=Rprp@cc763024-b.groni1.gr.home.nl) |
| 19:53.20 | *** join/#debian mirezwer (n=mirezwer@252-172-222-85.adsl.verat.net) |
| 19:53.23 | catsup | milligan_: please don't reinstall... |
| 19:53.46 | milligan_ | catsup, why not ? |
| 19:54.01 | *** join/#debian Cyorxamp (n=Cyorxamp@212.57.229.111) |
| 19:54.01 | catsup | milligan_: well, you mean reinstall nvidia-glx ? |
| 19:54.19 | milligan_ | catsup, reinstall the software the driver needs, and the driver itself, yes. |
| 19:54.26 | catsup | oh, ok |
| 19:54.43 | jim | reinstalling all of debian is considered unnecessary... but you do have that choice |
| 19:54.51 | catsup | emilligan_: btw, do you have the nvidia modules working and the device file created? i guess those shouldn't crash the x server, but ... |
| 19:55.14 | catsup | that's what i thought 'reinstalling everything' meant |
| 19:55.30 | jim | that is, if you get to a login prompt, most of it is working... |
| 19:55.42 | *** join/#debian magyar (n=ondrish@76-10-176-50.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 19:56.22 | *** join/#debian namit (n=namit@83-70-241-72.b-ras1.prp.dublin.eircom.net) |
| 19:56.33 | *** join/#debian LaTTiNo (n=ircap751@89.130.104.214) |
| 19:56.35 | *** join/#debian Greggor (n=Greggor@64.62.88.50) |
| 19:57.22 | catsup | windows users seem accustomed to reinstalling the entire system to fix one problem |
| 19:57.51 | milligan_ | I'm a gentoo user, switching to debian ;) |
| 19:58.02 | milligan_ | reinstalled the driver and modules.. brb if it works :) |
| 19:58.16 | jim | oh man :) you have a lot to get used to :) |
| 19:58.28 | AwesomeGuy | I prssed E in the grub thing, and nothing happened |
| 19:58.38 | AwesomeGuy | gogle sayd im susposed to change something in it |
| 19:58.49 | AwesomeGuy | it gets to stage 1.5, then it just says error 2 |
| 19:58.51 | catsup | google says a lot of things |
| 19:58.55 | AwesomeGuy | i never see a list of os's |
| 19:58.58 | jim | goggles speak pretty well? |
| 19:59.07 | AwesomeGuy | it was on ubuntuforums |
| 19:59.21 | catsup | you should try LILO :) |
| 19:59.21 | dondelelcaro | pba: uh... you're running ubuntu, not Debian. |
| 20:00.02 | AwesomeGuy | it's the same grub |
| 20:00.06 | jim | well he may or nay not be, reading a forum is not the same as running a particular os |
| 20:00.08 | *** join/#debian grand_gr1nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-24-172.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:00.27 | *** join/#debian maligor (n=maligor@a88-114-85-246.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 20:00.28 | catsup | pba != AwesomeGuy |
| 20:00.43 | jim | oh, there's a pba? |
| 20:00.50 | *** join/#debian `mac` (i=freebsd@adsl-76-237-57-6.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:01.03 | `mac` | goodness this was so easy what ta hell was i doing lol |
| 20:01.07 | *** join/#debian TwinX (n=TwinX@060-046-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl) |
| 20:01.10 | *** join/#debian keta__ (n=luca@host198-5-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:01.11 | `mac` | Preparing to replace clamav-freshclam 0.90.1dfsg-3etch11 (using .../clamav-freshclam_0.92.1~dfsg-1volatile2_amd64.deb) .. |
| 20:01.19 | AwesomeGuy | ok I've been hearing you say to install lilo so many time that I'm gonna do it. |
| 20:01.19 | `mac` | now its working very nicely :) tx to my brain |
| 20:01.30 | AwesomeGuy | i don't see any problems with grub though. |
| 20:01.30 | jim | AwesomeGuy, so you get a grub> prompt? |
| 20:01.38 | AwesomeGuy | no, I don't get a prompt |
| 20:01.39 | `mac` | let me know who need help with theirs ;) |
| 20:01.46 | jim | what do you get? |
| 20:01.48 | pba | dondelelcaro: debian also wont see it, so i thing ubuntu should see everythin cause it kinda Enterise(c)(tm)(r) =) |
| 20:01.50 | `mac` | Starting ClamAV virus database updater: freshclam. |
| 20:01.59 | AwesomeGuy | I turn on the computer, it says grub loading stage1.5, and then it just says Error 2 |
| 20:01.59 | *** join/#debian Benton (n=Benton@BAG3acb.bag.pppool.de) |
| 20:02.18 | *** join/#debian Bushmills (n=l@verhau.de) |
| 20:02.20 | jim | so there is something wrong with this particular installation of grub |
| 20:02.34 | JyZyXEL | catsup how botu bitwising that? |
| 20:02.35 | AwesomeGuy | I've installed it from 3 different disk |
| 20:02.36 | pba | dondelelcaro: s/Enterise/Enterprise/ |
| 20:02.37 | jim | you used grub on this machine before? |
| 20:02.37 | AwesomeGuy | * disks |
| 20:02.40 | *** join/#debian jbasse (n=jbasse@91.104.219.183) |
| 20:02.42 | AwesomeGuy | it's like that every time |
| 20:02.44 | *** part/#debian flyingparchment (n=river@clematis.knams.wikimedia.org) |
| 20:02.49 | *** join/#debian bkw__ (n=bkw@h-235-0.A189.cust.bahnhof.se) |
| 20:02.57 | `mac` | on bsd system i put the arrow up and it goes to the line that i was using, on debian when i put the first caractor it just rollin .. |
| 20:02.59 | jim | what's error 2 |
| 20:03.03 | *** join/#debian defected (n=rej@adsl13-39.kln.forthnet.gr) |
| 20:03.03 | *** join/#debian mortal1 (n=linkzero@ip68-1-111-110.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 20:03.12 | AwesomeGuy | idk what Error 2 is |
| 20:03.17 | asg | jim: same as error 1 but you have to be sitting down |
| 20:03.35 | jim | ugh, that was a stinky joke :P |
| 20:03.38 | streuner_ | heh |
| 20:04.02 | catsup | JyZyXEL: bitwise what? |
| 20:04.04 | jim | AwesomeGuy, time to find out |
| 20:04.05 | `mac` | can i list get help on that arrow thing.. |
| 20:04.29 | JyZyXEL | IrcUser.pba.CoolStatus & CoolStatu.Awesome != CoolStatus.Awesome |
| 20:04.43 | `mac` | lol guess not aight, tx guyz |
| 20:05.09 | catsup | JyZyXEL: harsh |
| 20:05.56 | jim | `mac`, as always you have to ask a smart, specific, on-topic, concise, complete, informative question. |
| 20:06.20 | jim | if you do that, it's like you're having a conversation between friends |
| 20:06.45 | jim | if not, it's like you're asking your friend to read your mind about what kind of french fries to pass you |
| 20:06.55 | catsup | jim: that should go in dpkg |
| 20:07.00 | mortal1 | is it possible to edit the partitions that are laid out when you use the 'guided encrypted lvm' thingy? |
| 20:07.02 | asg | catsup: it is |
| 20:07.09 | jim | !sicco |
| 20:07.09 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 20:07.12 | jim | that's mine. |
| 20:07.14 | asg | catsup: well, not the bit about the fries |
| 20:07.15 | pba | JyZyXEL: =) ubuntu takes 7 minutes to install, debian more than 1hr, or now ubuntu is not kosher or ubuntu is not castrated Debian? |
| 20:07.17 | catsup | !frenchfries |
| 20:07.19 | catsup | heh |
| 20:07.40 | jim | oh, the french fry thing? yeah, maybe you're right |
| 20:07.42 | JyZyXEL | pba do you know how ubuntu is made |
| 20:07.47 | *** join/#debian milligan_ (n=Milligan@134.84-49-201.nextgentel.com) |
| 20:07.49 | JyZyXEL | you take a bucket and place debian there |
| 20:07.56 | JyZyXEL | then you puke in the bucket |
| 20:07.56 | milligan_ | Bastard debian/nvidia :( |
| 20:08.20 | mortal1 | dont hate |
| 20:08.24 | pba | JyZyXEL: u forget to s/Debian/Ubuntu/g |
| 20:08.30 | catsup | ubuntu: for retards, by retards |
| 20:08.44 | JyZyXEL | indeed |
| 20:09.01 | jim | actually, is ubuntu reporting problems to the debian bug tracking system when they first get their unstable dose? |
| 20:09.03 | *** join/#debian rpedro__ (n=rpedro@87-196-159-218.net.novis.pt) |
| 20:09.07 | jim | if so, they're HELPING. |
| 20:09.19 | catsup | sure, they're helping |
| 20:09.28 | catsup | in more ways than that |
| 20:09.35 | *** join/#debian snowmover (n=snowmove@p54921E5F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:09.37 | *** join/#debian o2T7 (n=wepssain@85.137.103.231.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 20:09.56 | *** join/#debian mtn (n=mtn@dpc6746233034.direcpc.com) |
| 20:10.04 | catsup | but their userbase invites derision |
| 20:10.18 | jim | evidently so does ours |
| 20:10.31 | catsup | maybe, but not for being stupid :) |
| 20:10.33 | jim | takes two to tango :P |
| 20:10.41 | asg | catsup: it does on Sundays |
| 20:10.43 | jim | doesn't much matter why |
| 20:10.47 | mx | why does my OS tells me the extensions_dir is usr/local/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-200606, yet hwen i brwose my box, taht directory doesnt exist? |
| 20:11.01 | AwesomeGuy | can someone please tell me how to fix grub |
| 20:11.08 | pba | anyway, the problem is this f*** card doesn't work, and i'm looking for help, and look for help not in ubuntu zoo but in debian users |
| 20:11.11 | ggeecko_ | I knowthat I am overlooking something, but I would like all the pcs on the network to ssh to each other..here are my configs http://pastebin.com/m14f71a2f |
| 20:11.11 | jim | you probably have to reinstall it |
| 20:11.15 | jim | AwesomeGuy, |
| 20:11.15 | AwesomeGuy | It goes to 1.5 then says Error 2 |
| 20:11.18 | AwesomeGuy | wtf is error 2 |
| 20:11.21 | trifler | Hi I want to remove Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch10 Server at xx.xx Port 80 wheere or is this a apache question? :/ |
| 20:11.25 | jim | good question! |
| 20:11.32 | AwesomeGuy | It's done this 3 times with different CD's |
| 20:11.36 | trifler | so that the information dosen't show that is |
| 20:11.36 | asg | AwesomeGuy: have you googled for 'grub Error 2'? |
| 20:11.38 | *** join/#debian netdaemon (n=netdaemo@tuxhacker/netdaemon) |
| 20:11.40 | AwesomeGuy | yes |
| 20:11.42 | AwesomeGuy | nothing helped |
| 20:11.43 | jim | and? |
| 20:11.48 | jim | what do you mean? |
| 20:12.11 | jim | you're not being in any way specific as to what you found |
| 20:12.11 | catsup | google 'error 2' grub comes up with a lot of ubuntu |
| 20:12.14 | AwesomeGuy | one thing sayd to press E, nothing happens if I press E |
| 20:12.16 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: are you using ubuntu? |
| 20:12.20 | AwesomeGuy | debian |
| 20:12.54 | catsup | http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html |
| 20:12.57 | asg | trifler: you can't remove it all without editing the source. Also, security through obfuscation is silly; the morons will attack you with all sorts of exploits and doing care what you run or what you advertise. |
| 20:12.58 | catsup | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:13.04 | *** join/#debian keta (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 20:13.06 | meandrain | any ideea how to fetch kernel sources on debian: 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 20:13.13 | meandrain | ? |
| 20:13.17 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: reconfigure and select the right disk |
| 20:13.22 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: omg |
| 20:13.30 | meandrain | aptitude search kernel-source returns me nothing |
| 20:13.32 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: did you install from usb? |
| 20:13.49 | o2T7 | xingu: http://j8k6f4v9j.googlepages.com/fallo |
| 20:13.52 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: you might have run into a documented debian-installer bug, where the devices get renamed after the first install... |
| 20:14.01 | *** join/#debian patrick-- (i=patrick@devnull.biz) |
| 20:14.01 | mortal1 | when you use the 'guided partition lvm encrypted thing' is there anyway to change the size/layout of the paritions? |
| 20:14.10 | jim | hate it when that happens |
| 20:14.12 | patrick-- | hey, how do i change the timezone on a lenny system with no tzconfig |
| 20:14.24 | streuner | !set time |
| 20:14.24 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 20:14.42 | jim | dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) |
| 20:14.46 | patrick-- | thx |
| 20:14.49 | trifler | asg: okey |
| 20:15.19 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.23 | jim | ntp pretty much requires a fairly stable and somewhat fast connection |
| 20:15.36 | jim | it could survive otherwise, but not too well |
| 20:15.48 | catsup | eh |
| 20:15.52 | catsup | time is an illusion |
| 20:16.01 | asg | lunchtime doubly so |
| 20:16.13 | catsup | ;) |
| 20:16.29 | jim | so lunchtime is two illusions!! |
| 20:16.46 | asg | jim: but only on Thursdays and that's usually due to the beer |
| 20:16.52 | *** join/#debian shellito (n=shellito@200.122.232.15) |
| 20:16.53 | mx | why does my OS tells me the extensions_dir is usr/local/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-200606, yet hwen i brwose my box, taht directory doesnt exist? |
| 20:17.12 | jim | mx: what is your os? |
| 20:17.21 | pba | fu***, it's better to spent 1h on debian than 7min on fu*** ubuntu, but i think i get the same result. |
| 20:17.42 | asg | pba: someone has a very fast cdrom to install ubuntu in 7min anyway. |
| 20:17.44 | mx | debian |
| 20:17.49 | jim | that's not a debian package doing that, debian packages may not touch /usr/local |
| 20:17.50 | *** join/#debian dansushi (n=dan@pool-71-184-141-74.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 20:17.51 | asg | mx: what did you install to get that message |
| 20:18.05 | mx | i ran a command.... |
| 20:18.15 | *** join/#debian margiolas (i=chris@147.52.24.30) |
| 20:18.15 | asg | mx: erm, which command or do we have to guess? |
| 20:18.18 | jim | !cooperation in asking for help |
| 20:18.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cooperation in asking for help is trying to give as much relevant information as possible and reading cited documentation. Ask me about <sicco> and <research>. Abbreviated as <cia> |
| 20:18.26 | mx | php-config --extension-dir |
| 20:18.26 | meandrain | any ideea how to fetch kernel sources on debian: 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP x86_64 GNU/Linux ? |
| 20:18.28 | pba | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.10 | catsup | meandrain: linux-tree-2.6.18-6 |
| 20:19.17 | jim | probably need to expand that paragraph |
| 20:19.23 | *** join/#debian Akuw (n=x@190.77.115.93) |
| 20:19.27 | meandrain | catsup: thank you |
| 20:19.33 | *** join/#debian Kalli (n=Kalli@pD9E6016A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:19.41 | valdyn | usually people asking for the source just need the headers |
| 20:19.43 | *** join/#debian dtatulea (n=dragos@85.121.13.9) |
| 20:19.49 | mx | asg: php-config --extension-dir |
| 20:19.53 | *** join/#debian socialist (n=mculbert@c-67-170-160-26.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 20:19.54 | jim | mx: try to give as much relevent information as possible... as opposed to almost none |
| 20:19.55 | valdyn | meandrain: ^^ |
| 20:19.59 | *** join/#debian bkw- (n=bkw@h-235-0.A189.cust.bahnhof.se) |
| 20:20.00 | asg | valdyn: and most questions can be satisfied with a simple 'm-a prepare' |
| 20:20.10 | meandrain | valdyn: i want to limit connections pe lan users, so i need to recompile kernel |
| 20:20.11 | *** join/#debian gm152_ (n=gm@d150-1-13.home.cgocable.net) |
| 20:20.14 | valdyn | asg: oh, even better |
| 20:20.26 | jim | you talk about "my os" but so far you haven't said what it is |
| 20:20.47 | catsup | meandrain is a guy who knows what he wants, girls like that |
| 20:20.56 | meandrain | :D |
| 20:20.56 | asg | mx: did you install php with apt-get or aptitude or did you compile it from sourze? |
| 20:20.59 | asg | *source |
| 20:21.01 | socialist | does anyone know which list (if any) is used to report when packages get moved from experimental->unstable or unstable->testing, etc? |
| 20:21.13 | jim | a Ross Jefferies quote? |
| 20:21.19 | *** join/#debian niche (n=wtfidont@ool-4572ae4f.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:21.36 | catsup | jim: just a cliche |
| 20:21.44 | valdyn | socialist: packages dont get moved from experimental to unstable, except manually, theres no list, experimental has no official purpose |
| 20:21.44 | *** join/#debian bogor (i=ashwin@59.92.45.185) |
| 20:21.52 | *** part/#debian niche (n=wtfidont@ool-4572ae4f.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:22.06 | mx | jim, I am trying to set my extensions_dir in the php.ini file, i was told to run the command php-config --extensions-dir in order to find one what was it, i ran it and it gave me this directory, /usr/local/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20060613, when i brwose my box, i get stuck in /usr/local/lil/php/ ther eis no /extensions/ subdirectory after that |
| 20:22.33 | mx | asg; i didnt install php, my host did |
| 20:22.41 | *** join/#debian hark (n=strider@hark.slew.org) |
| 20:22.42 | jim | hmm, that doesn't sound like it was installed from a debian package |
| 20:22.49 | mx | the box was already set up when i got it |
| 20:22.54 | *** join/#debian Aubustou (n=Gentoux@APoitiers-153-1-58-240.w83-203.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:23.03 | jim | and what is the os running on it? |
| 20:23.05 | *** join/#debian TheOnly (n=theonly@unix.forkbomb.nl) |
| 20:23.07 | mx | it is debian though |
| 20:23.08 | mx | hold on |
| 20:23.19 | *** join/#debian pngwn (i=pngwn@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee) |
| 20:23.50 | mx | server:~# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:23.51 | mx | 4.0 |
| 20:24.07 | milligan_ | How do I define what's the standard output device for sound? |
| 20:24.10 | catsup | AwesomeGuy: did you get grub working? |
| 20:24.18 | catsup | milligan_: it doesn't work quite like that... |
| 20:24.25 | valdyn | socialist: someone might be tracking moves from sid -> testing, im not sure there's any need for an official list |
| 20:24.26 | pba | fuu*** e1000 7.6.9 works perfect even on f**** ubuntu |
| 20:24.32 | jim | he's probably going to have to reinstall grub |
| 20:24.38 | catsup | milligan_: unfortunately, different apps have different ways of playing sound |
| 20:24.47 | milligan_ | catsup, :-\ |
| 20:24.47 | jim | meanwhile tho, how would he get into his debian |
| 20:24.57 | mx | huh? |
| 20:25.04 | mx | i use putty |
| 20:25.06 | o2T7 | Why could be /dev/sr0 (sata dvd rewriter) giving input/output error when it is working normally under doze? |
| 20:25.36 | catsup | jim: he's got a bootcd. i was going to tell him about /dev/disks/by-id/ in case he was running into device renaming troubles |
| 20:25.42 | *** join/#debian aleksanteri (n=cogwheel@dsl-sjkbrasgw2-fef8f800-254.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 20:25.43 | dtatulea | Hi. I'm having a weird problem. After doing some stuff (compiling kvm, and installing it with make install, did a apt-get upgrade and modified a file in /etc/modprobe.d) my kernel does not load any kernel modules after bootup.... |
| 20:25.48 | *** join/#debian Vincent00101 (n=vincec95@129.44.115.226) |
| 20:26.12 | Vincent00101 | I had to install debian without the internet connected, can I still get atuff on it |
| 20:26.18 | bogor | o2T7: did you try writing as root. I had better luck that way |
| 20:26.18 | Vincent00101 | * stuff |
| 20:26.27 | catsup | milligan_: you probably want to run a daemon to control the sound device, and have your apps connect to the daemon |
| 20:26.31 | dtatulea | I have changed back the file from modprobe.d to it's original content, but with no positive results. |
| 20:26.31 | maligor | o2T7, maybe it's related to the controller? |
| 20:26.36 | jim | mx: we're talking about some other dude |
| 20:26.48 | mortal1 | with the 'guided lvm encrypted' install, I don't like the way it lays out my partitions, can i change this? |
| 20:26.56 | catsup | milligan_: unfortunately, there are multiple daemons that do this, and they all suck |
| 20:26.58 | jim | if your machine is booting, it's all good |
| 20:27.01 | milligan_ | catsup, not really. I just wanted youporn sound to play through my usb headset ;) |
| 20:27.07 | catsup | multiple incompatible daemons |
| 20:27.18 | catsup | milligan_: oh :) ok, well, what's the problem? |
| 20:27.29 | socialist | valdyn: is there any interface for tracking package status that you're aware of aside from just manually checking the repositories? |
| 20:27.39 | valdyn | socialist: status? |
| 20:27.42 | milligan_ | catsup, at the moment, I can't hear any sound. |
| 20:27.45 | valdyn | !why is foo not in testing |
| 20:27.45 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=foo |
| 20:27.45 | o2T7 | bogor: I'm doing it via growisofs and I have the right permissions on the device. I guess it should be enough |
| 20:27.58 | valdyn | socialist: what status are you talking about? |
| 20:28.22 | milligan_ | I might dc .. brb if I do. |
| 20:28.28 | o2T7 | maligor: dmesg list it as "scsi3-mmc drive", and I didn't add any new modules |
| 20:28.39 | *** join/#debian niche (n=wtfidont@ool-4572ae4f.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:28.41 | socialist | I'm just looking for something to notify me when say libperl has a new version in testing |
| 20:28.41 | bogor | I cant hear sound in my iceweasel with flash. I miss out a lot of youtube. |
| 20:28.53 | maligor | o2T7, I meant the sata controller driver |
| 20:28.53 | mx | jim: oopps |
| 20:28.57 | catsup | milligan_: ok--can you hear sound from 'play' or such? |
| 20:29.02 | *** join/#debian Phase (i=phase@unaffiliated/phase) |
| 20:29.11 | o2T7 | maligor: How could I test it? |
| 20:29.15 | *** join/#debian bluesceada (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 20:29.26 | *** join/#debian bluesceada (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 20:29.28 | socialist | I'm not really wondering why X isn't in Y, just wanted to keep an eye on a few packages |
| 20:29.38 | *** join/#debian h2oman (n=h2oman@cpe-72-129-18-249.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 20:29.39 | mx | so i found imagick.so, is under usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs, should i set that to extension_dir? |
| 20:29.43 | Vincent00101 | I have a .tar.gz file thats a driver for my usb linksys thing, how do I install it |
| 20:29.51 | maligor | o2T7, well, aside from trying a newer kernel, I'm not sure |
| 20:29.57 | Akuw | how much file size supports ext3 ? |
| 20:30.16 | socialist | this is close: http://release.debian.org/migration/accepted.html |
| 20:30.29 | maligor | Akuw, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 20:30.31 | o2T7 | maligor: ok, thanks. btw, I'm using 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 20:31.01 | Vincent00101 | how do I install a driver if it's .tar.gz |
| 20:31.06 | maligor | o2T7, what writer is it? |
| 20:31.08 | catsup | haha, wikipedia has a manpage for ext3, though debian does not |
| 20:31.19 | mx | Vincent00101 u need to unpack that |
| 20:31.22 | bogor | Vincent00101: Untar it with tar -xvzf filename. Read the readme file & do appropriate action. Its usually make & make install |
| 20:31.22 | Vincent00101 | catsup, then make it |
| 20:31.28 | pba | dondelelcaro: thx a lot, i solve my problem by downgrade e1000 from 8.0.1 to 7.6.9. probably, the kernel is too old for latest module. anyway, thx. |
| 20:31.46 | valdyn | socialist: http://release.debian.org/migration/accepted.html |
| 20:31.46 | catsup | Vincent00101: i don't think i'm quite qualified... |
| 20:31.52 | catsup | of course i could copy & paste from wp ;) |
| 20:31.52 | o2T7 | maligor: |
| 20:31.52 | socialist | yeah I just found that |
| 20:31.54 | socialist | thank you |
| 20:31.55 | o2T7 | GH20NS10 |
| 20:31.55 | Akuw | what means Max volume size |
| 20:32.04 | o2T7 | maligor: |
| 20:32.06 | milligan_ | brb |
| 20:32.08 | mx | asg: so i found imagick.so, is under usr/lib/php5/20060613+lfs, should i set that to extension_dir? |
| 20:32.09 | o2T7 | sorry |
| 20:32.11 | maligor | o2T7, LG eh |
| 20:32.20 | *** join/#debian keta_ (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 20:32.23 | socialist | valdyn: now, if there were rss feeds for each of those packages, it would be perfect ;) |
| 20:32.36 | socialist | that'll do for now though |
| 20:32.42 | ggeecko_ | anyone here familiar with iptables? |
| 20:32.49 | valdyn | !anyone |
| 20:32.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 20:32.52 | asg | mx: it's worth a shot. Nothing debian installed would be configured to point to /usr/local so I don't know what they did to the system. |
| 20:33.04 | socialist | ggeecko_: very, thanks for asking |
| 20:33.16 | o2T7 | maligor: Yes, It was ok with older ide ones, but now I'm having these problems. Anyway, I bought it because I began to have problems with one of those ide ones |
| 20:33.24 | *** join/#debian gnuSnob (n=jgombos@68-31-143-198.area4.spcsdns.net) |
| 20:33.29 | ggeecko_ | socialist: I knowthat I am overlooking something, but I would like all the pcs on the network to ssh to each other..here are my configs http://pastebin.com/m14f71a2f |
| 20:33.52 | maligor | o2T7, yeah, I've heard that some SATA writer drivers have compability issues, but rather strange it would only show up in linux |
| 20:34.04 | mx | thanks |
| 20:35.11 | valdyn | ggeecko_: where are you allowing forwarded ssh traffic? |
| 20:35.13 | socialist | ggeecko: do you have ip forwarding enabled? |
| 20:35.20 | catsup | ggeecko_: man, you really expect someone to read through that and fix your problem? |
| 20:35.24 | o2T7 | maligor: Well, I just burnt one only disc (cd) under doze. And a few ones (dvd) under debian. k3b finished without error, but I'm not able to open any of the discs |
| 20:35.34 | ggeecko_ | socialist: yes |
| 20:35.52 | socialist | ggeecko: um, isn't that the config from a gentoo box? |
| 20:36.00 | ggeecko_ | socialist: the router works but i cant talk to the pc on eth3..e.tc |
| 20:36.03 | maligor | o2T7, tried checking for firmware updates on it? |
| 20:36.29 | ggeecko_ | valdyn: the gateway is eth0 |
| 20:36.56 | catsup | o2T7: are you burning at a faster rate than your media supports? |
| 20:36.57 | jim | there is ipmasq package that builds a firewall for you |
| 20:37.12 | socialist | ggeecko_: /etc/conf.d/net is from gentoo, not debian. Not to nitpick but there is a different channel for that |
| 20:37.14 | o2T7 | maligor: mm, nope, i thought that being a new device (i bought it today) it wan't necessary |
| 20:37.36 | o2T7 | catsup: I tried it with growisofs' -speed=1 option |
| 20:38.01 | jim | you have to comment something in the ipmasq scripts to get it to do port forwarding |
| 20:38.02 | o2T7 | catsup: It says that it is at a speed around 4.1x |
| 20:38.03 | ggeecko_ | socialist: sorry, it was a general iptables question |
| 20:38.07 | maligor | o2T7, does it read dvd-roms fine? |
| 20:38.11 | *** part/#debian mortehu (n=mortehu@195.159.128.13) |
| 20:38.11 | *** part/#debian snowmover (n=snowmove@p54921E5F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:38.17 | o2T7 | maligor: I'll see |
| 20:38.42 | meandrain | if I do not have make installed (when trying to setup kernel with make menuconfig) what package I need? |
| 20:38.55 | *** join/#debian gina (n=gina@ip72-220-26-121.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 20:39.01 | catsup | meandrain: build-essential |
| 20:39.10 | meandrain | catsup: thanx |
| 20:39.15 | valdyn | ggeecko_: you want all pc to reach each other, still you are dropping each packet on eth1 eth2 eth3 |
| 20:39.19 | gina | hi, i would like to try debian distro on my macbook pro |
| 20:39.23 | *** part/#debian `mac` (i=freebsd@adsl-76-237-57-6.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 20:39.24 | gina | i wonder if anyone using this combo? |
| 20:39.28 | socialist | ggeecko_: first of all, tun on logging for all the DROP/REJECT rules so you can see which rule is dropping packets. Next, tcpdump on all your interfaces when you try to ssh and figure out where the packets are *not* showing up, then see which rule is stopping them |
| 20:39.41 | *** join/#debian xpoint (n=xpoint@dlink.junc.org) |
| 20:39.43 | catsup | gina: lots of people, i'm sure |
| 20:39.52 | mx | asg: it worked. i can see imagick on my phpinfo() |
| 20:39.53 | gina | but on this room i mean. i need advice |
| 20:39.53 | o2T7 | maligor: Yes, it does |
| 20:39.57 | mx | i hat emy debian, its so strange |
| 20:40.03 | jim | gina: it's probably an intel core duo? |
| 20:40.04 | maligor | o2T7, then I'd check for firmware updates |
| 20:40.06 | ggeecko_ | valdyn: k..I will check that |
| 20:40.07 | gina | does debian has good wifi support for the macbook pro (the old version)? |
| 20:40.10 | gina | yes |
| 20:40.11 | *** part/#debian Mantaar (n=Mantaar@mendelssohn.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 20:40.19 | *** join/#debian dv_ (n=dv@80-121-40-66.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 20:40.19 | ggeecko_ | socialist: thank you..I will do that |
| 20:40.20 | gina | the one which use ati card |
| 20:40.22 | *** join/#debian rcc (n=GodFathe@c-67-167-189-61.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 20:40.31 | *** join/#debian anthis- (n=moo@dpc67142203161.direcpc.com) |
| 20:40.45 | ggeecko_ | socialist: btw, I use debian too |
| 20:40.46 | jim | gina I have no idea for that part |
| 20:40.50 | socialist | ggeecko_: I also recommend shorewall, it's easier to deal with and will give you a more complete setup than your current ruleset |
| 20:41.00 | o2T7 | maligor: ok, then I'll search for them. Thanks for your help :) |
| 20:41.11 | socialist | ggeecko_: I figured, I was just bustin your chops |
| 20:41.15 | jim | socialist: also look into ipmasq |
| 20:41.17 | catsup | gina: if you find out the chipset the wireless card uses, you can find that out pretty easily with google and/or packages.debian.org |
| 20:41.26 | ggeecko_ | socialist: for shorewall, do you need X installed |
| 20:41.33 | socialist | ggeecko, : no |
| 20:41.48 | asg | mx: well, I'd discuss matters with your hosting provider. They did something non-standard with what is usually a painless install and configuration. |
| 20:42.09 | ggeecko_ | socialist: thanks...I think shorewall is the solution |
| 20:42.16 | enouf | o2T7: use either simulation mode (k3b), or -dummy (cdrecord/wodim), or -dry-run (growisofs) .. and once you remove any dry-run modes, use "verification" (k3b), or -use-the-force-luke=wrvfy in (growisofs) .. but show us the output of "wodim -prcap dev=/dev/scd0" , and also output of "dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/scd0" (with one of your non-working burned dvds are in the drive) |
| 20:42.35 | jim | ggeecko_: also look into ipmasq: set up your internal and external interfaces, install the package, it calculates a NAT firewall |
| 20:42.55 | ggeecko_ | jim: noted...thanks |
| 20:43.31 | o2T7 | enouf: ok, though it'll take me some time :) |
| 20:44.07 | enouf | o2T7: also try "isoinfo -d dev=/dev/scd0" and "file -s /dev/scd0" (both while a burned dvd is in the drive) ...ok |
| 20:44.46 | catsup | maybe your dvd drive is under mpaa control |
| 20:45.18 | *** join/#debian |aleksanteri| (n=cogwheel@dsl-sjkbrasgw2-fef8f800-254.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 20:45.31 | *** join/#debian bkw__ (n=bkw@h-235-0.A189.cust.bahnhof.se) |
| 20:45.41 | o2T7 | catsup: what does it mean? how to know? |
| 20:45.46 | catsup | intentionally resistant to free software |
| 20:45.59 | *** join/#debian githogori_ (n=githogor@adsl-66-123-22-146.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) |
| 20:46.00 | catsup | it's a remote possibility |
| 20:46.13 | catsup | (but it's the future) |
| 20:46.37 | *** join/#debian Mantaar (n=Mantaar@mendelssohn.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 20:46.54 | o2T7 | catsup: My first thought was asking here because perhaps somebody had the same problem. I think it is a relatively new device, but I'm not sure |
| 20:47.00 | catsup | like they try to make you use their drivers, which enforce some copy protection scheme to keep you from copying dvds |
| 20:47.25 | o2T7 | catsup: I see |
| 20:47.34 | *** join/#debian gnuSnob (n=jgombos@68-31-143-198.area4.spcsdns.net) |
| 20:48.10 | *** join/#debian HellTiger (n=HellTige@p5B0CF372.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:49.09 | meandrain | uff: it's me again, trying to compile the kernel: now i get make[2]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 it seems ncurses is not installed but i have installed libncurses5 and ncurses-base. What else is needed? |
| 20:49.35 | asg | meandrain: you installed build-essential? |
| 20:49.39 | meandrain | yes |
| 20:49.43 | *** join/#debian Hoxzer (n=hox@dsl-hkigw7-fe1df900-39.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 20:49.46 | meandrain | and now I have make tool |
| 20:49.54 | asg | meandrain: install libncurses5-dev |
| 20:50.18 | meandrain | thank you |
| 20:50.23 | meandrain | i will make a tutorial on that :D |
| 20:50.44 | *** join/#debian Pinky (i=pinky@gateway/shell/unixpod.com/x-dfd262c5290de104) |
| 20:51.23 | *** join/#debian myki (i=myki@gateway/shell/unixpod.com/x-0c28bcc185302bfd) |
| 20:51.26 | asg | meandrain: there is one, /msg dpkg kp |
| 20:51.34 | enouf | o2T7: i'm quite busy now, and other things, but perhaps all this info you are either pastebinning or obtaining will help others try to resolve your sata dvd writer issues - also "wodim -msinfo dev=/dev/scd0" and |
| 20:52.03 | catsup | hm, there should be a virtual package or something for kernel build-deps... |
| 20:52.12 | meandrain | nice |
| 20:52.37 | *** part/#debian tudon (n=tudon@dhcp-077-249-027-214.chello.nl) |
| 20:52.45 | *** part/#debian bogor (i=ashwin@59.92.45.185) |
| 20:52.46 | enouf | "wodim -atip dev=/dev/scd0" <--should show you somethings about the OPC settings, not sure how t oobtain that in windows though - but test various blank media (+r, -r, +rw, -rw, etc) |
| 20:52.47 | o2T7 | enouf: np. Anyway http://j8k6f4v9j.googlepages.com/fallo |
| 20:53.14 | *** join/#debian reffle (n=reffle@cpc2-amer1-0-0-cust67.watf.cable.ntl.com) |
| 20:53.16 | enouf | o2T7: oh hehe, you pasted that link before, and i looked, is that some sort of pr0n? ;-) |
| 20:53.16 | *** join/#debian s0lid (n=s0lid@210.213.198.21) |
| 20:53.38 | catsup | heh, fat chance finding someone who knows as much as enouf about this stuff |
| 20:53.43 | enouf | Adult Content Warning The site that you are about to view may contain adult content. In order to continue, you must read our terms for adult content and confirm that you are over 18 years of age. |
| 20:53.55 | foobar8 | anybody else experiencing update problems with python+lenny? |
| 20:54.13 | catsup | naw, it's just the logs |
| 20:54.27 | catsup | some hack to host on google |
| 20:54.35 | enouf | catsup: i'm really just grasping at straws nowadays concerning this recent swamp of issues with SATA DVD+RW/RAM drives .. |
| 20:54.52 | catsup | swamp of issues, hm |
| 20:54.54 | o2T7 | pr0n? heh, I don't know what it means. And, err, that stuff ... I don't know why google put it there. I only pasted some alternative firmware for cablemodem firms |
| 20:55.18 | catsup | enouf: what do you think about the possibility i mentioned before, that they are making drives resistant to free software to enforce copyright? |
| 20:55.23 | enouf | thing is - google.com's javascript suck ass - links2 doesn't like it ;-) |
| 20:55.40 | Baloo | use elinks instead. |
| 20:56.02 | o2T7 | enouf: I saw that their main page was designed for lynx not working on it. But now it does. Weird. |
| 20:56.06 | enouf | catsup: it's perhaps somewhat viable IMO - but only if we were discussing commercially made media |
| 20:56.08 | enouf | and such |
| 20:56.31 | enouf | o2T7: links2 !=lynx, and links2 > lynx ;-) |
| 20:56.34 | *** join/#debian gravity (i=david@dhcp-130-64-45-210.boston.tufts.edu) |
| 20:56.42 | Akuw | to use XFS to support very large file size, i just need to select XFS Journaling File System at install ? |
| 20:56.57 | *** join/#debian andres (n=andres@89.100.146.224) |
| 20:57.18 | o2T7 | enouf: heh, but lynx always did the job for me with google. But one day ... "incompatible browser blah blah.." |
| 20:57.24 | enouf | o2T7: but i have other browers - and if stupid google would remember my settings, it would'ne be an issue ;-) |
| 20:57.31 | enouf | o2T7: yep |
| 20:58.05 | amphi | midori! |
| 20:58.49 | enouf | just use a darned regular pastebin site |
| 20:58.55 | o2T7 | finally I'll use an IDE one and see if my problems (the other problems, the ones that I had with my older IDE rewriter) continue |
| 20:59.03 | enouf | there's bazillions of them |
| 20:59.24 | *** join/#debian geekz (n=cripperz@cm4.epsilon22.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 20:59.53 | o2T7 | enouf: I'd have to use a free file uploader site too if I wanted to share some files ... |
| 21:00.09 | o2T7 | Althought you always can share an email account ;) |
| 21:02.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 847] by debhelper |
| 21:02.43 | Vincent00101 | . |
| 21:02.52 | *** join/#debian tolecnal (n=tolecnal@215.80-203-134.nextgentel.com) |
| 21:03.01 | *** join/#debian Vincent00101 (n=vincec95@pool-129-44-115-226.pghk.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:03.16 | o2T7 | wodim threw an error, I updated the file with pastings |
| 21:03.45 | enouf | o2T7: oh, one more thing, i was saying use /dev/scd0 instead of sr0, since most likely sr0 is a symlink to scd0; "udevinfo -q all -p /dev/sr0" should verify that - ..ya know i'm getting a funny feeling that something within the scsi subsystem (the emulating (or whatever) part that the sg and sr layers make use of, since AFAIK, they are a workaround and don't talk to scsi block devices directly - or provide an interface to it) is broken |
| 21:03.56 | Vincent00101 | My debian can't connect to the internet, and I tried installing the drivers for my usb wireless network thing, and it wouldn't work, and for some reason I don't have iwconfig. |
| 21:04.02 | enouf | gah |
| 21:04.04 | *** join/#debian davidc007 (n=chatzill@c-76-110-254-94.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 21:04.07 | *** join/#debian TheOnly (n=theonly@unix.forkbomb.nl) |
| 21:04.11 | Vincent00101 | and I tried apt-get install iwconfig but didn't work |
| 21:04.12 | enouf | i meant |
| 21:04.18 | enouf | "udevinfo -q all -n /dev/sr0" |
| 21:04.26 | enouf | swap the -n with the -p |
| 21:04.36 | Akuw | is there hard disk of 4TB ? |
| 21:04.59 | enouf | 1TB, iinm is what we're up to ;-) |
| 21:05.11 | asg | Akuw: no but you can make one with a bunch of <4TB disks and LVM |
| 21:05.16 | enouf | per physical disk, that it |
| 21:05.19 | enouf | is* |
| 21:05.26 | Vincent00101 | >:( |
| 21:05.38 | enouf | ok .. bbl maybe |
| 21:05.55 | Akuw | what is the procedure? |
| 21:06.05 | *** join/#debian jaggz- (n=brandon@dsl081-044-035.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 21:06.08 | asg | Akuw: google for LVM HOWTO |
| 21:06.14 | jaggz- | exim's installed but it's not running? |
| 21:06.29 | jaggz- | none of my outgoing mail is working I think |
| 21:06.38 | asg | Akuw: another good bit of info on LVM is http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2/index.html |
| 21:06.44 | *** join/#debian tempeldirne (n=blob@vpn-1505.swh.uni-giessen.de) |
| 21:06.51 | Akuw | ok |
| 21:07.18 | asg | jaggz-: what does 'exim -bt person@place.you.are.trying.to.send.to' say? |
| 21:07.29 | foobar8 | jaggz-: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476987 |
| 21:07.34 | Bushmills | jaggz-: many receiving SMTP servers are a bit picky abuut the sender, like reverse dns set up, not from dynamic ip address and such. |
| 21:07.46 | Akuw | but with that LVM i don't need to use XFS ? |
| 21:07.57 | foobar8 | jaggz-: (if you updated lsb-core) |
| 21:08.00 | Akuw | i just create a logical volume |
| 21:08.03 | Akuw | righjt ? |
| 21:08.03 | asg | Akuw: yes, or ext3 or reiser ... whatever floats your boat |
| 21:08.11 | Akuw | humm |
| 21:08.13 | *** join/#debian Jemt (n=Jemt@85.218.163.179) |
| 21:08.13 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (n=fhaberma@p57BC5816.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:08.23 | *** join/#debian Tramp (i=mt@d212-152-28-228.cust.tele2.ch) |
| 21:08.25 | Akuw | but what happen if some of the disk break? |
| 21:08.46 | Bushmills | of course you'd have a backup :) |
| 21:08.47 | asg | Akuw: then you use RAID (hardware or sofware) and build and LVM on top of that |
| 21:08.49 | Jemt | Greetz. I'm missing a "stage2_eltorito" file in /boot/grub/ - where do I obtain it ? I need it in order to create a boot CD |
| 21:08.54 | jim | you replace the disk and restore from the backups you make daily |
| 21:09.28 | jim | (what's that you say?! you don't make backups every day?!! I'm sorry to hear that...) |
| 21:09.41 | Bushmills | btw, RAID is about speed and/or redundancy, not about backupping. |
| 21:10.05 | asg | !qotd126 |
| 21:10.06 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd126 is <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
| 21:10.07 | jaggz- | testing.. |
| 21:10.26 | jaggz- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.38 | jaggz- | I mean.. I want it on but that's nice. I am used to postfix for many years. |
| 21:10.46 | asg | Bushmills: true but in certain configurations, it will prevent one from having to restore from backups if a disk fails. |
| 21:11.02 | Bushmills | jaggz-: postfix has realying disabled by default too |
| 21:11.05 | asg | jaggz-: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 21:11.08 | Bushmills | relaying |
| 21:11.25 | Bushmills | asg: yes. that's the redundancy aspect |
| 21:11.28 | *** join/#debian Firestarter- (n=Firestar@cpe-72-226-14-251.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 21:11.52 | Akuw | asg: RAID on hardware and LVM on software |
| 21:11.54 | Akuw | ? |
| 21:12.12 | asg | Akuw: or RAID with software and LVM with software ... you have lots of options. |
| 21:12.14 | jaggz- | bush, asg, I'm not surprised.. it's a good idea .. :) |
| 21:12.27 | *** join/#debian sycle (n=cycle@c-76-106-163-31.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 21:12.43 | jaggz- | editing a million small files is irritating -- but the modularness can be a positive... do you guys recommend the split-config method? |
| 21:12.47 | asg | Akuw: do heed Bushmills's advice about backups though. |
| 21:13.17 | asg | jaggz-: it exists for Debian updates and package installs to work seemlessly. If you know what you are doing, the monolithic config is the way to go. |
| 21:13.22 | *** join/#debian mrmonkeyman (n=mrmonkey@65.208.17.193) |
| 21:13.32 | *** join/#debian jcranmer (n=jcranmer@ltsp1.csl.tjhsst.edu) |
| 21:13.47 | asg | jaggz-: /usr/share/doc/exim*/README* (can't remember which) lists the rationals for using one over the other. |
| 21:13.56 | jcranmer | Which package should I install to use my wireless card? |
| 21:13.58 | *** part/#debian mrmonkeyman (n=mrmonkey@65.208.17.193) |
| 21:14.10 | streuner | jcranmer: what chipset do you have? |
| 21:14.17 | jcranmer | Atheros |
| 21:14.32 | jcranmer | forgot that his laptop isn't configured to middle-click yet |
| 21:14.36 | streuner | well, atheros has many chipsets... |
| 21:15.29 | jaggz- | thank you so much. |
| 21:15.53 | streuner | jcranmer: what kind of laptop do you have? |
| 21:15.59 | *** join/#debian keta (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 21:16.00 | jcranmer | it's a toshiba satellite A315-S5185, I think |
| 21:16.47 | jcranmer | sorry, A215-S5815 |
| 21:18.03 | Bushmills | asg: more than just a good idea. it is necessary to not get blacklisted after short time of operation |
| 21:18.13 | o2T7 | enouf: I'm not sure if I am running the right command for -dry-run testing. I'm doing it with `growisofs -dry-run -speed=1 -dvd-compat -Z /dev/sr0=./dvd.iso` |
| 21:18.36 | o2T7 | enouf: btw, I updated the link with udevinfo's output |
| 21:18.50 | *** join/#debian Piet (i=pietor@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0xC5C71DCE) |
| 21:19.30 | enouf | o2T7: well, the -dvd-compat option is only needed if you;'re making a mpeg2 DVD-ROM Video |
| 21:19.43 | o2T7 | enouf: ok |
| 21:19.54 | streuner | jcranmer: find out what chipset you have (lspci -v should help) |
| 21:19.55 | Jemt | Can someone tell me why the following command creates a 19 MB ISO file with no content? It should create a working boot CD with GRUB, documentation and a few other things - but it's just empty: mkisofs -R -b boot/grub/stage2_eltorito -input-charset iso8859-1 -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table -o bootcd.iso bootcd |
| 21:19.55 | jaggz- | okay.. so it's all configured but ps doesn't show exim running... exim -bt myacct@gmail.com shows .. a bunch of mx servers .. :) |
| 21:20.16 | jaggz- | I had queued some outgoing mail with echo test | mail -s 'test subject' myacct@... |
| 21:20.19 | Bushmills | ehm, that was meant for jaggz- rather than for asg |
| 21:20.27 | *** join/#debian magyar (n=ondrish@76-10-176-50.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 21:20.41 | *** join/#debian magyar (n=ondrish@76-10-176-50.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 21:21.02 | jaggz- | well.. outgoing mail's not a problem.. relaying is a problem though.. but I guess one should send through a server? |
| 21:21.11 | streuner | jcranmer: /msg dpkg madwifi |
| 21:21.30 | jaggz- | this is a server... but it's actually not our main mail server.. but I think we always sent out straight from this machine |
| 21:21.59 | jaggz- | (this is for a free messageboard service, by the way -- the outgoing emails are for them to contact each other and confirm their signups and password changes, etc.) |
| 21:22.08 | jaggz- | we hate spam |
| 21:22.10 | streuner | jcranmer: if you are lucky its supported in kernel, otherwise you need a working driver for your chipset - as a first start you can use ndiswrapper (a tool to use windows drivers in Linux) |
| 21:22.32 | jaggz- | so nothing's running to pickup outgoing mail still.. |
| 21:22.58 | Bushmills | pickup outgoing mail?? |
| 21:23.17 | jaggz- | there's no daemon running which is getting mail sent with /usr/bin/mail |
| 21:23.28 | *** part/#debian Mantaar (n=Mantaar@mendelssohn.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 21:23.53 | foobar8 | jaggz-: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=476987 |
| 21:23.57 | jaggz- | actually, my software sends with exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail |
| 21:24.06 | jaggz- | thanks foo.. saw that earlier and forgot.. sorry. |
| 21:24.27 | jcranmer | sorry about the delay, my connection went down for a bit |
| 21:24.53 | *** join/#debian sekhmet6 (n=lightkni@LMontsouris-152-62-5-93.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:25.03 | *** join/#debian Z4ndX (n=Z4ndX-Se@1505ds1-hr.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 21:25.10 | Z4ndX | Hello .. |
| 21:25.12 | foobar8 | jaggz-: "/etc/init.d/exim4 start" spits out some error message about wrong command line arguments if this is your problem |
| 21:25.21 | jaggz- | I don't recall seeing that error.. but of course I didn't look at that stuff during software installation :) |
| 21:25.24 | jaggz- | oh, cool |
| 21:25.28 | streuner | jcranmer: Did you get everything what we told you? |
| 21:25.31 | o2T7 | jcranmer: /msg dpkg madwifi (streuner said it to you before ) |
| 21:25.53 | foobar8 | jaggz-: i just had this problem (btw: lenny) |
| 21:25.53 | jaggz- | wow.. there's no exim4 there.. something's not installed :) |
| 21:25.55 | Z4ndX | Iv just put a HDD in my server, its a ntfs HDD and i want to format and make ir ext3.. how do i do that ??? |
| 21:26.02 | *** join/#debian _danilo (n=dnl@189.25.98.49) |
| 21:26.03 | Z4ndX | Using debian |
| 21:26.13 | Z4ndX | sda1 |
| 21:26.19 | jaggz- | this is the right time for you guys to be so helpful too -- this server was down and I have to head out soon :/ |
| 21:26.21 | *** join/#debian Fersure|Away (i=Maybe@unaffiliated/fersure) |
| 21:26.27 | jaggz- | I'm grateful |
| 21:26.32 | jaggz- | I'm at etch |
| 21:26.34 | *** join/#debian LaicepS (i=laiceps@bgl93-1-82-67-184-230.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:26.45 | Bushmills | Z4ndX: setting partition type to 83, and running mkfs.ext3 on it should do |
| 21:26.46 | davidc007 | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EasyCam |
| 21:26.46 | streuner | Z4ndX: man mkfs |
| 21:26.54 | foobar8 | jaggz-: then you have a different problem |
| 21:26.56 | jcranmer | lspci -v says AR242x |
| 21:27.19 | Bushmills | Z4ndX: otherwise, use fdisk to delete partition and create a new one |
| 21:27.20 | Z4ndX | Thx bur how do i do all that :) |
| 21:27.26 | streuner | dpkg madwifi |
| 21:27.26 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5. |
| 21:27.30 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-127-134-126.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at) |
| 21:27.37 | jcranmer | so that looks like it should work |
| 21:27.37 | jaggz- | dpkg -L exim4-daemon-light doesn't show anything going into init.d either |
| 21:27.37 | dpkg | ii exim4-daemon-light doesn't show anything going into init.d either 1.6-14.2 jaggz-'s private gamp collection |
| 21:27.47 | Bushmills | Z4ndX: generally preferable to create partition with fdisk utility of the system you are using the parition with |
| 21:28.11 | *** join/#debian xtr (i=94752345@216.19.191.191.novuscom.net) |
| 21:28.14 | jcranmer | waits for apt-get dist-upgrade to finish |
| 21:28.20 | *** join/#debian Aegglesbon (n=boss@ti0026a340-0251.bb.online.no) |
| 21:28.28 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-127-134-126.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at) |
| 21:29.06 | *** join/#debian Shinigami (i=Maybe@unaffiliated/fersure) |
| 21:29.39 | *** join/#debian [jbasse] (n=jbasse@91.106.200.18) |
| 21:30.43 | enouf | o2T7: if you can try adding the option 'driveropts=burnfree' with wodim ... |
| 21:30.46 | magyar | hi, when changing hostname, how do i regenerate the sshd staff that gets generated during install? |
| 21:31.03 | *** join/#debian ajonat__ (n=ajonat@190.48.118.165) |
| 21:31.15 | dondelelcaro | magyar: there's nothing that needs to be regenerated |
| 21:31.17 | *** join/#debian sphenxes (n=sphenxes@85-127-134-126.dynamic.adsl-line.inode.at) |
| 21:33.44 | enouf | o2T7: also, a few thoughts. CMC media really sucks ass (though may not be the issue ..) , Your drive; "HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH20NS10 EL00" is one i've seen others have issues with as well .. some even burn entirely, and don't fail with i/o errors, and then after being burned successfully, accessing them fails miserably -- Your use of Multiple Tracks might be an issue, (disk is never finalized? .. no lead out?) try burning in DAO, or SAO mode,s |
| 21:33.47 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:34.17 | *** part/#debian shyam_k` (n=user@117.196.129.25) |
| 21:34.21 | o2T7 | that's my case |
| 21:34.34 | enouf | i dunno, i've always done well with NEC and BENQ drives .. but sigh |
| 21:35.01 | o2T7 | enouf: oops, I'll never by a benq drive again :) |
| 21:35.26 | enouf | DVD-RAM should've been implemeted much better, long ago, as far as Defect Management? lmao, there is none to speak of, only newer Bluray will actually utilize that |
| 21:35.46 | *** join/#debian simonrvn (i=simon@unaffiliated/simonrvn) |
| 21:35.54 | enouf | o2T7: bad benq ? |
| 21:36.04 | *** join/#debian sysop2 (n=sysop@99-206-8-225.area7.spcsdns.net) |
| 21:36.16 | o2T7 | I'll spend one more blank dvd disk for burning in dao mode |
| 21:36.45 | o2T7 | enouf: perhaps it was a wrong unit, but it took me 3 or 4 months to get it unusable |
| 21:36.49 | enouf | yeah, even those companies i mentioned are constantly merging with other crap ones and what not, rebranded/rebadged drives, ugh |
| 21:37.03 | n3kl | What tool can I use on my gateway to find out what is using all of my internet bandwidth? |
| 21:37.26 | enouf | nop, iftop, iptraf, netperf, etc etc |
| 21:37.33 | enouf | s/nop/ntop |
| 21:37.49 | *** join/#debian TheOnly (n=theonly@unix.forkbomb.nl) |
| 21:38.12 | *** join/#debian kevind23 (i=kevin@cpe-74-71-65-146.twcny.res.rr.com) |
| 21:38.25 | *** join/#debian phyburn (n=cyph3r@pool-71-105-20-141.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 21:38.33 | *** part/#debian rav1 (n=ravn@c83-248-81-239.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 21:38.37 | phyburn | what package should I install for Java JDK |
| 21:38.37 | *** part/#debian foobar8 (n=user@dslb-088-064-148-073.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:38.38 | *** join/#debian ajonat__ (n=ajonat@190.48.101.154) |
| 21:38.51 | n3kl | enouf: thanks |
| 21:38.52 | enouf | o2T7: yeah, i hate wasting media for testing - good to have -RW/+RW for that i guess |
| 21:38.56 | *** join/#debian fnord_ (i=fnord@63-164-27-146.dsl.dynamic.uninets.net) |
| 21:39.00 | *** join/#debian fibonacci (n=fibonacc@200.253.153.119) |
| 21:39.04 | *** join/#debian jisatsu (n=leslie@jisatsusha.plus.com) |
| 21:39.06 | n3kl | it was iftop that I had used in the past, couldn't remember the name of it |
| 21:39.09 | *** join/#debian zophy[] (n=vaio@host-76-161-220-24.midco.net) |
| 21:39.12 | o2T7 | I can't see an option for choosing the burning mode with growisofs |
| 21:39.27 | enouf | or use the dryrun options, but sigh, your issues might not manifest while only using that |
| 21:39.36 | *** join/#debian Z4ndX (n=Z4ndX-Se@1505ds1-hr.0.fullrate.dk) |
| 21:39.39 | *** join/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 21:39.40 | enouf | o2T7: there isn;t, it's a wodim one |
| 21:39.47 | o2T7 | enouf: oh, ok |
| 21:39.55 | *** part/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 21:40.22 | *** join/#debian n0mad (n=Elive_us@88.222.121.141) |
| 21:40.42 | fnord_ | Hi i have no cdrom acsess and no way to get network acsess while booting from a cd,i was wondering if i tis possible to setup the netboot thingy to load an iso image from my HD iinsttead of downloading one. |
| 21:41.00 | *** join/#debian zophy[] (n=vaio@host-76-161-220-24.midco.net) |
| 21:41.08 | n0mad | Aishiteru? |
| 21:41.09 | *** join/#debian hollywoo1b (n=wade@nat1.aero.und.edu) |
| 21:41.43 | enouf | o2T7: you could even just use dd directly, "dd if=./dvdiso of=/dev/scd0 bs=2048" (or similar) |
| 21:41.57 | *** join/#debian Suprano (i=suprano@pD95640CF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:42.47 | o2T7 | I'm simulating before, perhaps it fails that way |
| 21:44.07 | Bushmills | fnord_: not tat easily. it is not the iso file which is bootable, but what it contains. so through netboot the bootable contents of the iso would have to be returned to the boot-requesting machine - and it is doubtful that that boot code supports the rest of its file on the network |
| 21:44.29 | o2T7 | I always get an error "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev" (although it hasn't to do with my problem) |
| 21:45.05 | fnord_ | i thought it might be possible becasue i tbhink WUBI does it for ubuintu if you place the iso in one of wubis folders |
| 21:45.29 | enouf | o2T7: growisofs can also accept a "-use-the-force-luke=dao" option |
| 21:45.54 | o2T7 | enouf: ok, it failed in simulation mode |
| 21:45.57 | enouf | o2T7: yeah, you need root privs |
| 21:46.02 | *** join/#debian rking (i=rking@pool-71-105-54-244.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 21:46.09 | Bushmills | fnord_: if you have a linux running already, sure you can access an iso over the net. |
| 21:46.23 | Bushmills | fnord_: but i understood you wanted to boot over the net |
| 21:47.13 | enouf | o2T7: for your lsof (/dev/.static/dev) issue |
| 21:47.19 | *** join/#debian Mantaar (n=Mantaar@mendelssohn.sfs.uni-tuebingen.de) |
| 21:47.26 | *** join/#debian ajonat_ (n=ajonat@190.48.109.184) |
| 21:47.31 | *** join/#debian o2T7 (n=wepssain@85.137.103.231.dyn.user.ono.com) |
| 21:47.41 | *** join/#debian cman1 (n=curtis@pool-96-242-159-82.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 21:47.45 | Bushmills | fnord_: i don't know wubi but if that works then use it ... |
| 21:48.05 | cman1 | i have a printer plugged into a printer |
| 21:48.06 | *** join/#debian funkyou (n=janm@e179133180.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:48.17 | cman1 | tj, are you there? |
| 21:48.29 | rking | cman1: please elaborate |
| 21:48.59 | cman1 | rking, and i have printer sharing on but does not show up on my laptop. |
| 21:49.18 | *** join/#debian JD__ (n=JD@host86-165-95-117.range86-165.btcentralplus.com) |
| 21:49.18 | rking | cman1: using samba? |
| 21:49.34 | cman1 | rking, new with computers where do i enable that? |
| 21:50.00 | rking | cman1: all are linux, or what? |
| 21:50.43 | cman1 | 2 macs(one desktop one laptop) 3 laptops(2 xp and one linux) 4 desktops(xp) |
| 21:51.10 | rking | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-9.html |
| 21:51.12 | n3kl | Is there any way to see the nat table for iptables? |
| 21:51.35 | *** join/#debian grand_gr1nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-16-102.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:51.49 | valdyn | n3kl: iptables -t nat --list |
| 21:51.58 | cman1 | rking, there is no way that it will just show up when i print? |
| 21:51.58 | *** join/#debian gidna (n=gidna@host236-224-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:52.00 | gidna | Hi |
| 21:52.05 | gidna | http://rafb.net/p/j9wqhc12.html I have this problem |
| 21:52.09 | valdyn | n3kl: err, ops |
| 21:52.10 | *** part/#debian leOn (n=xxx@89.152.240.48) |
| 21:52.19 | rking | n3kl: http://slug.archives.nks.net/List/slug.archive.0112/0175.html |
| 21:52.25 | n3kl | valdyn: those are the rules, but I want to see the realtime list |
| 21:52.39 | *** join/#debian Corun (n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk) |
| 21:52.47 | valdyn | n3kl: hmm? the list doesnt change |
| 21:52.49 | jcranmer | Several more questions (setting up new computer): |
| 21:52.49 | n3kl | My internet is slow as shit right now and I don't see anything that is taking up all teh shizzle |
| 21:52.52 | rking | cman1: i'm not following - "it just show up when I print"... "it" == what? "print" from where to where? |
| 21:52.56 | valdyn | n3kl: you mean you want to see packets? |
| 21:53.07 | n3kl | valdyn: no, like connection tracking information |
| 21:53.22 | cman1 | rking, laptops to the printer that is connected to the mac. |
| 21:53.22 | rking | n3kl: there's ntop, maybe it'll help |
| 21:53.57 | rking | cman1: so you have a mac with a printer plugged into it, and you want to print from your linux laptop? |
| 21:53.59 | jcranmer | #1. On other linux boxes I use, as well as PuTTy, using irssi through ssh, Alt-# is enough to change irssi windows. On debian, this doesn't work; I suspect a keyboard configuration problem. How do I change this? |
| 21:54.21 | cman1 | rking, correct and the other computers in my house. |
| 21:54.33 | rking | cman1: is it OSX? |
| 21:54.35 | Corun | Hi, I'm trying to host a game on my computer at home, but I have a firewall (and I can't do forwarding, as it's not my router). I also have a server in the outside world that I have full access to the firewall of. Is there some way that I can make it so that there is a server on my remote server which forwards connections to it through some tunnel to my home computer? |
| 21:54.42 | *** join/#debian jakub (n=jkb@r3t210.net.upc.cz) |
| 21:54.42 | cman1 | rking, yes |
| 21:54.47 | Corun | Oh, and the remote computer's running debian (see, it's on topic :-P) |
| 21:54.52 | jcranmer | #2. How do I configure gestures on my laptop's touchpad? |
| 21:55.10 | valdyn | Corun: yes |
| 21:55.16 | rking | cman1: http://docs.huihoo.com/darwin/opendarwin/articles/osx_smb/index.html |
| 21:55.26 | n3kl | Corun: you could openvpn between both machines, then forward the ports through the tunnel |
| 21:55.31 | valdyn | Corun: but games often need low latency |
| 21:55.33 | jcranmer | (wrt Q#1, I can access any config file on the working computer as well, just not change them) |
| 21:55.59 | *** join/#debian ajonat (n=ajonat@190.48.121.234) |
| 21:56.03 | Corun | Well, I wrote the game and it's turn based, so that's ok. Also, the server's ping is 2 ms from here :-) |
| 21:56.08 | valdyn | Corun: why dont you host the games directly on that remote box? |
| 21:56.11 | cman1 | rking, where do i enable "SMB" on the mac? |
| 21:56.21 | Corun | Because the game's written for Mac OS X. |
| 21:56.32 | valdyn | Corun: a simple ssh tunnel should do it if your game just needs a tcp port |
| 21:56.44 | Corun | Well, I thought of using ssh -D |
| 21:56.51 | Corun | But, it, er, didn't seem to work :-) |
| 21:57.00 | bit0 | I can't configure "texlive-base". Any sugestion? |
| 21:57.03 | *** join/#debian rafuch0 (n=rafuch0@201.211.220.35) |
| 21:57.15 | Corun | Am I thinking it through wrong? (All the tunnel stuff confuses me :-)) |
| 21:57.18 | valdyn | Corun: we'll have a hard time if you dont tell us which command you tried and what requirement you have |
| 21:57.33 | *** join/#debian rafuch0 (n=rafuch0@201.211.220.35) |
| 21:57.33 | n3kl | valdyn: do you find ssh tunneling usefull? I have always seen things around about it, but never seen its real uses. |
| 21:57.45 | Corun | Oh, sorry. On the local machine I did: ssh -D 1080 remoteserveraddress |
| 21:57.49 | *** join/#debian Gorbulas (i=user@24-151-139-78.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 21:57.50 | valdyn | n3kl: sure |
| 21:57.50 | cman1 | rking, where do i enable "SMB" on the mac? |
| 21:57.57 | Gorbulas | hello |
| 21:58.01 | Corun | Then set up the local machine to connect to use socks localhost 1080 |
| 21:58.19 | valdyn | n3kl: its a secure way to penetrate my own firewalls |
| 21:59.07 | Gorbulas | somebody is persistently trying to brute force their way into my Debian server. they don't have amy valid user names so I'm safe, but it's really annoying |
| 21:59.09 | valdyn | Corun: thats fucked up, im not sure what you read in the manpage |
| 21:59.19 | n3kl | valdyn: seems to me that you could just open the ports though, no? |
| 21:59.24 | rking | cman1: that's not at all a debian question, but i am sure the link about samba on OSX will tell you how |
| 21:59.30 | valdyn | n3kl: thats not secure |
| 21:59.38 | n3kl | valdyn: or I guess, if you did not want them as public services |
| 21:59.42 | Gorbulas | can I make ssh or something start rejecting them outright? |
| 21:59.47 | valdyn | n3kl: i mean, that leaves the port of my insecure service open to everyone |
| 21:59.49 | n3kl | valdyn: is that what you are thinkgin? |
| 21:59.51 | Gorbulas | it's the same IP |
| 21:59.52 | peleg | is there a software you know that knows how to count the number of frames in an animated gif? |
| 21:59.58 | cman1 | rking, my father needs this to work and i would pay you for the help but i don't know where you are |
| 22:00.08 | n3kl | right, so you tunnel through ssh, and access your servcices internally, right? |
| 22:00.14 | cman1 | rking, i have sharing on for the mac what else do i have to do? |
| 22:00.14 | Corun | I read http://rafb.net/p/paLB7993.html |
| 22:00.49 | valdyn | n3kl: that is one use, yes |
| 22:00.58 | Bushmills | Gorbulas: sshguard |
| 22:01.20 | Corun | I guess that's not the right thing, reading that... |
| 22:01.25 | n3kl | valdyn: can you give me another use. I am using openvpn for all internal access and have been really liking, it. Sounds like both methods provide the same use. |
| 22:01.27 | Corun | But, I don't know what the right thing would be :-P |
| 22:01.36 | Bushmills | Gorbulas: better, disable password login, use private/public keys only |
| 22:01.41 | valdyn | n3kl: an ssh tunnel is much less than a vpn |
| 22:02.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 836] by debhelper |
| 22:02.10 | Gorbulas | you can't log in as any of the standard user names, but it still shows up in logs, wastes resources |
| 22:02.18 | Bushmills | Gorbulas: in addition, you can set in sshd_config who is allowed to ssh to the box |
| 22:02.21 | valdyn | n3kl: but an ssh tunnel is alot easier to setup if you have just boxes where ssh is installed anyway involved |
| 22:02.22 | *** join/#debian netdaemon (n=netdaemo@tuxhacker/netdaemon) |
| 22:02.47 | *** join/#debian maxt3r (n=maxt3r@0x5550877d.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 22:03.05 | n3kl | Gorbulas: I have really like fail2ban. |
| 22:03.06 | rking | cman1: did you see that URL? |
| 22:03.27 | n3kl | Bushmills: what happens if you loose the key? |
| 22:03.29 | valdyn | Corun: you dont want port mapping, you want a tunnel |
| 22:03.51 | Bushmills | n3kl: you restore it from backup |
| 22:03.53 | cman1 | rking, i did but i am asking someone on the mac channel |
| 22:03.57 | cman1 | thanks anyway. |
| 22:04.12 | *** join/#debian sys_cons (n=sys_cons@wana-113-225-12-196.wanamaroc.com) |
| 22:04.18 | Bushmills | n3kl: what happens if you forget the password? |
| 22:04.28 | Gorbulas | if you lose the key you may need to physically access the machine to get a new one |
| 22:04.30 | *** join/#debian poseidon (n=joe@ip70-161-211-76.hr.hr.cox.net) |
| 22:04.43 | n3kl | Bushmills: thats just always scared me. Like what if I need a file on a machine that I don't have my key on or something. |
| 22:04.44 | Corun | Oooh |
| 22:04.47 | Corun | I didn't see ssh -R |
| 22:04.51 | poseidon | Whats a good screen capture program for linux? |
| 22:04.51 | Corun | knows how to do it now |
| 22:04.52 | n3kl | Bushmills: I guess I could always keep it on a flash drive or something |
| 22:04.52 | Corun | Thanks |
| 22:04.59 | Bushmills | why? if you lose a key, it would be your private key |
| 22:05.04 | n3kl | poseidon: import |
| 22:05.06 | valdyn | Corun: something like ssh -R gameserver:port:remoteserver:port |
| 22:05.09 | streuner | !ss |
| 22:05.09 | dpkg | somebody said screenshot was 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd, or push your "PrtScr" keyboard key in gnome, or kde, or or gnome-panel-screenshot |
| 22:05.10 | n3kl | poseidon: oh, like video? |
| 22:05.25 | poseidon | n3kl, yes, videos |
| 22:05.55 | sys_cons | hi all |
| 22:05.56 | Gorbulas | doesn't gnome come with a recorder now? |
| 22:06.01 | valdyn | Corun: also see autossh once you have that tunnel working |
| 22:06.07 | *** join/#debian fdd (n=fdd@79.116.106.240) |
| 22:06.19 | Gorbulas | Istanbul |
| 22:06.25 | *** join/#debian grand_gr2nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-63-199.w86-206.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:06.29 | *** join/#debian magyar (n=ondrish@76-10-176-50.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 22:06.54 | Bushmills | n3kl: keep your keys on other net-accessable machines, in an encrypted file or partition |
| 22:08.17 | poseidon | Gorbulas, I'm in kde |
| 22:08.18 | *** join/#debian ss2_ (n=irc@unaffiliated/ss2) |
| 22:08.26 | Gorbulas | should work in kde too |
| 22:08.56 | n3kl | poseidon: google it. I have seem some rundowns put out by linuxjournal I think that show off the different features. |
| 22:08.56 | sys_cons | hi all |
| 22:08.58 | *** join/#debian spacepup (n=spacepup@c212132.dynamic.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) |
| 22:09.27 | *** join/#debian _Petrov_ (n=Petrov@34.101-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 22:10.13 | sys_cons | can you tell me where can i find the LGE EVDO USB Modem Drivers for Debian ? |
| 22:10.13 | Bushmills | poseidon: there is recordmydesktop |
| 22:10.13 | sys_cons | thanks |
| 22:11.19 | *** join/#debian odder (n=odder@gjo26.internetdsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 22:11.42 | *** join/#debian chicobento (n=ponto-go@189.82.45.152) |
| 22:14.09 | *** join/#debian grand_gr3nt (n=remi@ALyon-259-1-18-26.w90-57.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 22:14.18 | *** join/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 22:14.35 | *** part/#debian cristina_crow (n=cristina@86.106.3.229) |
| 22:15.28 | jcranmer | #3. My computer seems to hang on the ACPI IRQ steps when starting up... |
| 22:16.14 | *** join/#debian sys_cons (n=sys_cons@wana-113-225-12-196.wanamaroc.com) |
| 22:17.08 | *** join/#debian frys (n=fry@190.38.239.38) |
| 22:17.27 | frys | sieg Hiel! |
| 22:17.31 | streuner | jcranmer: tried to disable ACPI? |
| 22:17.44 | sys_cons | where can i find LGE EVDO USB Modem Driver for linux ? |
| 22:17.44 | streuner | frys: troll somewhere else |
| 22:18.06 | jcranmer | #3. My computer seems to hang on the ACPI IRQ steps when starting up... |
| 22:18.17 | *** join/#debian gidna (n=gidna@host236-224-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 22:18.22 | Guerin | jcranmer: boot with acpi=off |
| 22:18.26 | *** join/#debian martianixor (n=martiani@unaffiliated/martiancode) |
| 22:19.00 | Guerin | sys_cons: on google or nowhere |
| 22:19.26 | simonrvn | frys: go fuck yourself, slimeball |
| 22:19.37 | jcranmer | put it in the menu.lst, so I'll try that when I restart |
| 22:20.02 | jcranmer | I would still like to know about the alt and touchpad issues |
| 22:20.50 | *** join/#debian sophacles (n=sophacle@c-98-212-155-215.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 22:21.10 | *** part/#debian frys (n=fry@190.38.239.38) |
| 22:21.13 | *** join/#debian ltlekvar (n=lekvar@atlantic.devin.com) |
| 22:21.24 | *** join/#debian bkw- (n=bkw@h-235-0.A189.cust.bahnhof.se) |
| 22:22.16 | simonrvn | host 190.38.239.38 38.239.38.190.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 190-38-239-38.dyn.dsl.cantv.net. |
| 22:22.28 | n3kl | !test |
| 22:22.28 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 22:22.49 | poseidon | Whats a good program for screen recording in linux? |
| 22:22.59 | dondelelcaro | poseidon: istanbul or similar; there are a few. |
| 22:23.27 | n3kl | poseidon: try recordmydesktop as was suggested earlier |
| 22:23.36 | *** join/#debian bkw- (n=bkw@h-235-0.A189.cust.bahnhof.se) |
| 22:23.36 | poseidon | I sorry, didn't see it |
| 22:23.43 | n3kl | no worries |
| 22:23.53 | *** join/#debian shyam (i=75c48119@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-ccfe2038a7f8c7ac) |
| 22:23.53 | sys_cons | <Guerin> i tried google but no results found |
| 22:23.58 | *** part/#debian bkw- (n=bkw@h-235-0.A189.cust.bahnhof.se) |
| 22:24.05 | *** join/#debian [Gandhi] (n=[Gandhi]@201.211.17.116) |
| 22:24.16 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 22:24.21 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@190.38.239.38] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:24.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 22:24.30 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 22:24.34 | streuner | thanks dondelelcaro |
| 22:24.35 | *** join/#debian keta_ (n=luca@pdpc/supporter/basic/keta) |
| 22:26.15 | shyam | whats the adviced method to install lenny? |
| 22:26.34 | *** join/#debian pngwn (i=pngwn@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee) |
| 22:26.57 | simonrvn | install etch, upgrade |
| 22:27.19 | cloakable | or grab a lenny cdrom |
| 22:27.37 | *** part/#debian Corun (n=Corun@halls-129-31-72-183.hor.ic.ac.uk) |
| 22:27.39 | simonrvn | those are meant for *testing* |
| 22:27.54 | simonrvn | if you wanna help it, go ahead ;) |
| 22:28.01 | simonrvn | help test it* |
| 22:28.14 | cloakable | simonrvn: I have lenny on my laptop :P |
| 22:28.21 | shyam | if i took more than one week to download one cd..that iso is really not gonna work right? |
| 22:28.31 | dondelelcaro | shyam: impossible to say |
| 22:28.44 | *** join/#debian derchris (n=derchris@87-194-89-163.bethere.co.uk) |
| 22:28.45 | dondelelcaro | shyam: if the md5sum matches, then it should. |
| 22:29.10 | unop | well, upgrading to lenny is meant for *testing* too - couldn't say it was any better or worse than using a lenny CD-Rom. |
| 22:29.34 | shyam | oh ok.. i didnt noticed that thing.. much.. |
| 22:29.48 | *** join/#debian georgy28 (n=georgy@16.199-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 22:29.59 | shyam | unop: ah thanks i wanted that answer! |
| 22:30.04 | shyam | :) |
| 22:30.08 | valdyn | unop: there's a huge difference |
| 22:30.26 | valdyn | unop: testing packages have gone through a "validation" phase |
| 22:30.30 | *** join/#debian aum (n=david@60-234-243-247.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) |
| 22:30.53 | valdyn | unop: testing installers are made up by the responsible people and can be in an unusable state at any time |
| 22:31.28 | shyam | valdyn:so which is better? |
| 22:31.33 | aum | hi - just installed debian unstable (after running buntu for 2 years) - 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' no longer lets me configure the display, only the keyboard - is there a tool for reconfiguring xorg without me having to manually hack xorg.conf? |
| 22:31.53 | valdyn | shyam: what simonrvn said, depending on the current state of the testing installer |
| 22:32.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 828] by debhelper |
| 22:32.04 | valdyn | shyam: i cant tell you if its currently in a decent state or not. |
| 22:32.08 | streuner | aum: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 22:32.09 | unop | aum, try the -plow flag to dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:32.15 | streuner | !drxx aum |
| 22:32.15 | dpkg | aum: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 22:32.35 | shyam | valdyn ok thanks.. |
| 22:32.42 | shyam | thanks everyone.. i got the idea.. |
| 22:33.02 | shyam | going to download the cd image:) |
| 22:33.13 | unop | shyam, i can tell you that i installed lenny via the CD Rom .. and it was quite smooth sailing for me. |
| 22:33.49 | *** join/#debian milardovich (n=milardov@host2.190-224-118.telecom.net.ar) |
| 22:34.29 | aum | unop: -plow didn't expose any more options |
| 22:34.57 | shyam | actually i am in my third "upgraded" lenny i broke the first two after trying to upgrade but this one i am using without major upgrades for months now!! but as i tried for another install with testing cdrom,the cdrom failed many times just to install.. so i got confused.. |
| 22:36.05 | *** join/#debian ma3x (i=ma3x@unaffiliated/ma3x) |
| 22:36.21 | *** join/#debian omry (n=omry@bzq-84-108-20-56.cablep.bezeqint.net) |
| 22:36.34 | shyam | i tried various downloaded images.. neway ill continue trying my luck:) |
| 22:37.49 | shyam | thanks bye.. |
| 22:38.25 | AwesomeGuy | I don't have iwconfig on my debian, and I can't get it because I can't apt-get because of no internet. |
| 22:38.35 | *** join/#debian penguim (n=penguim@ubuntu/member/linuxba) |
| 22:38.37 | *** join/#debian martiancode (n=martiani@unaffiliated/martiancode) |
| 22:38.46 | AwesomeGuy | the only way to get to the internet if with this usb wireless ada[ter |
| 22:38.49 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: so get the packages on some media and move them to your machine. |
| 22:38.50 | AwesomeGuy | * adapter |
| 22:39.10 | poseidon | Is Iceweasel used often in other linux distros as well? |
| 22:39.12 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: or use your installation media to install those packages |
| 22:39.16 | *** join/#debian Faithful (n=Faithful@ns.linuxterminal.com) |
| 22:39.24 | dondelelcaro | poseidon: a few others do |
| 22:39.28 | AwesomeGuy | where do i get the packages |
| 22:39.43 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: via packages.debian.org |
| 22:39.44 | unop | AwesomeGuy, http://packages.debian.org |
| 22:40.58 | AwesomeGuy | they don't have iwconfig |
| 22:41.16 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: sure they do; it's in wireless-tools |
| 22:41.23 | dondelelcaro | !tell AwesomeGuy -about pdo |
| 22:41.29 | AwesomeGuy | it should be in network tools also |
| 22:41.33 | unop | AwesomeGuy, or do something like this to generate a list of uris you can put through wget (or similar). apt-get install --print-uris wireless-tools |
| 22:41.35 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: no, it shouldn't. |
| 22:41.50 | AwesomeGuy | yes, it should |
| 22:41.56 | AwesomeGuy | a wireless network is a network |
| 22:42.10 | *** join/#debian assasukasse (n=agostino@host-84-223-201-51.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 22:42.19 | AwesomeGuy | and there is no section called wireless tools |
| 22:42.28 | unop | AwesomeGuy, as far as how iwconfig is packaged, it belongs to the wireless-tools package |
| 22:42.46 | dondelelcaro | AwesomeGuy: there's no such package called network-tools, and wireless-tools is the name of the upstream package which has it in the first place |
| 22:42.48 | unop | AwesomeGuy, "wireless tools" is not the same as "wireless-tools" |
| 22:43.02 | AwesomeGuy | I'm on windows right now |
| 22:43.09 | AwesomeGuy | I have to be to be on the internet |
| 22:43.22 | AwesomeGuy | and I mean the destions in the site someone linked to |
| 22:43.28 | jim | to be on the internet is to be awesome? |
| 22:43.35 | *** join/#debian keram (n=marek@s77-27.resnet.ucla.edu) |
| 22:43.39 | unop | AwesomeGuy, http://packages.debian.org/wireless-tools |
| 22:44.36 | ltlekvar | wow howcome ff beta is only in experimental? |
| 22:45.05 | mimcpher | ltlekvar, because its a beta? |
| 22:45.17 | *** join/#debian Cobra| (n=aa@Ua4db.u.pppool.de) |
| 22:45.21 | streuner | because its not ready for unstable? |
| 22:45.43 | mimcpher | It won't go into unstable until there's a FFX 3 release |
| 22:45.46 | mimcpher | and then to testing |
| 22:46.25 | ltlekvar | it's been more reliable than than v2 releases for my uses so aside from name/release-officialness i already think of it as "done enough" |
| 22:46.31 | *** join/#debian gordboy (n=gordboy@host217-42-30-197.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:46.35 | *** join/#debian martian67 (n=cpt-plnt@last.man.on.a.deadpla.net) |
| 22:46.39 | NetEcho | how do I exclude linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 from apt-get update? |
| 22:47.22 | Guerin | NetEcho: /msg dpkg hold |
| 22:47.29 | *** join/#debian crashanddie (n=crashand@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-209-63.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 22:47.30 | Guerin | NetEcho: but you probably don't want to do so |
| 22:47.47 | NetEcho | Guerin I do when I'm running a much newer kernel |
| 22:48.04 | Guerin | not really |
| 22:48.17 | Guerin | because it won't replace your new kernel |
| 22:48.42 | *** join/#debian Number9 (n=snag@204.110.227.11) |
| 22:48.49 | NetEcho | it will when I'm runing linux-image-2.6.22-686 from backports |
| 22:48.51 | *** join/#debian maxamillion (n=adam@ss-5-41.shsu.edu) |
| 22:48.56 | *** join/#debian K_Dallas (i=Korben@i209-195-91-127.cia.com) |
| 22:49.14 | NetEcho | +-4- |
| 22:49.38 | Number9 | can anyone tell me how to enable command line autocompletion? |
| 22:49.53 | Bushmills | NetEcho: from *update* ? |
| 22:49.58 | jim | you might want to hold off removing it until you know for sure everything important works |
| 22:50.09 | Bushmills | apt-get update will not change any packages |
| 22:50.25 | NetEcho | Bushmills it will when you're not using the backports mirror anymore |
| 22:51.13 | *** join/#debian AwesomeGuy (n=vincec95@pool-129-44-115-226.pghk.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:51.19 | AwesomeGuy | how do I install a .deb package |
| 22:51.34 | JyZyXEL | dpkg -i |
| 22:51.34 | dpkg | wish i knew, JyZyXEL |
| 22:51.35 | georgy28 | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 22:51.36 | dpkg | installs file.deb into georgy28's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 22:51.38 | Guerin | AwesomeGuy: aptitude install packagename |
| 22:51.50 | Guerin | using dpkg -i will probably break deps |
| 22:55.56 | *** join/#debian Joelito (i=joel@201.160.207.148.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) |
| 22:56.43 | *** join/#debian AfterDeath (i=icxcnika@freenode/contributor/afterdeath) |
| 22:59.56 | jim | how do I specify a text event to a /command like /tabify? how do I get a list of the names of text events? |
| 23:00.16 | jim | for xchat that is |
| 23:00.48 | *** join/#debian dv_ (n=dv@80-121-40-66.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 23:01.26 | *** join/#debian AwesomeGuy (n=vincec95@pool-129-44-115-226.pghk.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:02.29 | AwesomeGuy | I got the drivers for my usb wireless adapter for linux, I extracted the tar.gx somewhere, but there's no setup thing in it, just a bunch of weird files |
| 23:02.55 | mimcpher | AwesomeGuy, is there instructions? |
| 23:02.55 | jim | is there a dir called debian? |
| 23:03.06 | *** join/#debian floppypond (n=floppypo@unaffiliated/floppypond) |
| 23:03.28 | *** join/#debian martianixor (n=martiani@unaffiliated/martiancode) |
| 23:03.31 | jim | how exactly did you get these drivers? how exactly did you extract? |
| 23:03.46 | *** join/#debian Cobra^^ (n=aa@Ua4db.u.pppool.de) |
| 23:03.50 | AwesomeGuy | I'll show you the link |
| 23:03.59 | jim | nono, |
| 23:04.06 | jim | show me what you did |
| 23:04.13 | jim | I'm not going thru some long thing |
| 23:04.25 | AwesomeGuy | I found this thing http://forums.driverguide.com/showthread.php?t=23488 |
| 23:04.29 | jim | again |
| 23:04.33 | jim | show me what you did |
| 23:04.43 | AwesomeGuy | I extracted it to a dir a i made |
| 23:04.51 | AwesomeGuy | and I cd's into it |
| 23:04.56 | AwesomeGuy | * cd'd |
| 23:05.01 | AwesomeGuy | and nothing there installs anything |
| 23:05.23 | jim | ok, never mind (you're ignorign my request to be exact) |
| 23:05.25 | AwesomeGuy | the readme didn't help |
| 23:05.30 | AwesomeGuy | no, I'm not |
| 23:05.41 | AwesomeGuy | you asked me what I did and I told you |
| 23:05.53 | jim | show the exact commands |
| 23:06.29 | AwesomeGuy | tar -xvzf file.tar.gz |
| 23:06.30 | *** join/#debian christefano (n=christef@ppp-69-238-166-232.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 23:06.41 | jim | ok, what is file.tar.gz? |
| 23:06.50 | jim | and you got this from where? |
| 23:06.58 | AwesomeGuy | RT25USB-SRC-V2.0.8.0.tar.gz |
| 23:07.01 | AwesomeGuy | I linked you to it |
| 23:07.11 | AwesomeGuy | http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html |
| 23:07.23 | AwesomeGuy | the 2500USB one |
| 23:07.25 | jim | so this is not from packages.debian.org? |
| 23:07.45 | AwesomeGuy | no, why would they have drivers |
| 23:07.48 | stew | AwesomeGuy: /msg dpkg rt2x00 |
| 23:08.21 | AwesomeGuy | oh |
| 23:08.27 | stew | AwesomeGuy: the drivers are in debian but the firmware is not, it is in non-free |
| 23:08.28 | jcranmer | looks like madwifi isn't working |
| 23:08.37 | *** join/#debian kroddn (n=kroddn@port-213-009-033-002.adsl.ncore.de) |
| 23:09.11 | jim | so the firmware is packaged? |
| 23:09.16 | AwesomeGuy | non free, wtf |
| 23:09.56 | stew | AwesomeGuy: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 23:13.02 | *** join/#debian cman1_ (n=curtis@pool-96-242-159-82.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:13.17 | cman1_ | tj, you there? |
| 23:14.13 | cman1_ | anyone can help me with wireless printing? |
| 23:14.42 | *** join/#debian ajonat (n=ajonat@190.48.108.173) |
| 23:14.55 | cman1_ | ? |
| 23:18.20 | *** join/#debian ia64 (n=ia642@orenay.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 23:18.27 | *** join/#debian deface (n=deface@uberpenguin.net) |
| 23:18.29 | streuner | wireless printing? |
| 23:18.45 | ia64 | guys, is it possible to use ETCH's aptitude but have it examine LENNY packages as well? |
| 23:18.47 | Gorbulas | that depends on what kind of wireless you need |
| 23:18.48 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@123.115.247.75) |
| 23:19.19 | streuner | ia64: sure |
| 23:19.24 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 23:19.24 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 23:19.54 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@123.115.248.234) |
| 23:19.59 | ia64 | dpkg: are you commenting about my situation? |
| 23:20.00 | dpkg | ia64: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:20.19 | streuner | sure |
| 23:20.29 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 23:20.29 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 23:21.09 | ia64 | geez and I thought i'm getting crazy |
| 23:21.28 | deface | how 'unstable' is openssl 0.9.8g in sid |
| 23:21.36 | streuner | unstable |
| 23:21.51 | deface | just wondering why debian is behind in it |
| 23:21.53 | streuner | otherwise it wouldn't be in unstable |
| 23:21.59 | deface | thanks captain obvious |
| 23:22.07 | streuner | send patches |
| 23:22.22 | streuner | fix bugs |
| 23:22.26 | gordboy | is that a friend of kernel panic ? |
| 23:22.34 | ia64 | streuner - now to the real question, what lines do I have to put in my sources.list to accomplish this |
| 23:22.41 | stew | deface: /msg dpkg bts |
| 23:22.42 | deface | 20349:error:1408F10B:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:wrong version number:s3_pkt.c:284: |
| 23:23.00 | *** join/#debian bluesceada (n=itsjustm@unaffiliated/bluesceada) |
| 23:23.05 | stew | ia64: what are you actually trying to do? are you trying to install some packages from lenny into an etch install? |
| 23:23.30 | ia64 | stew: yes, specifically the latest memcached |
| 23:23.32 | streuner | ia64: and, what kind of packages do you need? Is backports.org NOT enough? |
| 23:23.49 | streuner | !backports |
| 23:23.49 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 23:23.51 | ia64 | is looking at backports.org |
| 23:23.55 | deface | works fine w/ tlsv2 .. 0.9.8c lacks openssl's bug tracker id 1629 .. tls extensions on sslv3 only connections are not explicit against ssl spec |
| 23:23.55 | stew | ia64: you should not do this. you should use a backport instead |
| 23:24.42 | ia64 | learns something new about Debian every day. he loves it. |
| 23:28.00 | ia64 | backport doesn't seem to have the newer memcache.. any alternatives to my situation? |
| 23:28.16 | *** join/#debian tolecnal_ (n=tolecnal@215.80-203-134.nextgentel.com) |
| 23:28.18 | streuner | ia64: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:28.50 | streuner | you could alternativly do this with lenny packages too... |
| 23:30.15 | *** join/#debian tarzeau (n=gurkan@dolphin.ethz.ch) |
| 23:30.26 | *** join/#debian martiancode (n=martiani@unaffiliated/martiancode) |
| 23:30.29 | jim | perhaps with more chance for success since lenny and sid are still pretty close |
| 23:31.26 | *** join/#debian unix_infidel (n=blue@unaffiliated/unixinfidel/x-8383745) |
| 23:32.01 | *** join/#debian HSorgYves (n=HSorgYve@ppp-110-210.adsl.restena.lu) |
| 23:32.33 | *** join/#debian myosound (n=myosound@static-71-127-149-42.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:35.56 | ia64 | thanks guys |
| 23:36.19 | streuner | np |
| 23:37.20 | jcranmer | lemme backup for a minute on my wireless problems |
| 23:37.34 | jcranmer | 0e:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) |
| 23:37.43 | jcranmer | ^^ that's the relevant line from lspci |
| 23:37.48 | streuner | fine |
| 23:37.56 | *** join/#debian cman1 (n=curtis@pool-96-242-159-82.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:38.01 | jcranmer | a) What should I use for wireless packages, then? |
| 23:38.02 | streuner | and, did you search at madwifi.org about? |
| 23:38.03 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 23:38.15 | cman1 | what is a good program for burning .avi file to a dvd |
| 23:38.16 | streuner | you need a working driver |
| 23:38.17 | cman1 | ? |
| 23:38.28 | streuner | k3b |
| 23:38.44 | *** join/#debian psyche (n=psyche@unaffiliated/psyche) |
| 23:39.02 | cman1 | low long will it take to burn a 700.2 mb file? |
| 23:39.26 | cman1 | roughly? |
| 23:39.35 | kazol | If I only use the first CD to install the base system, would I need an internet connection before actually using the GUI desktop? |
| 23:39.53 | streuner | yes |
| 23:39.54 | *** join/#debian agnitio_ (n=magnus@h-91-126-123-244.wholesale.rp80.se) |
| 23:40.03 | Guerin | cman1: as long as it takes, no longer |
| 23:40.21 | kazol | streuner: Then I would need multiple cds?? |
| 23:40.32 | jcranmer | streuner: what should I search for on madwifi.org? |
| 23:40.33 | cman1 | guerin, you mean however long the video is that is how long it will take to burn? |
| 23:40.38 | *** join/#debian ehc (n=evan@wall.pacinfo.com) |
| 23:40.44 | jim | kazol why don't you have a connection at that point? |
| 23:40.53 | kazol | jim: I have a wifi card. |
| 23:41.18 | Guerin | cman1: no, the amount of data, and the speed of your burner, and your media. So, it'll take as long as it takes, however long that is. |
| 23:41.19 | jcranmer | oh, I think I found it |
| 23:41.30 | jcranmer | how do I unload a module? |
| 23:41.33 | jim | is build-essential on the first cd? |
| 23:41.37 | Guerin | jcranmer: modprobe -r |
| 23:41.42 | Guerin | jcranmer: man modprobe |
| 23:41.49 | Guerin | !cd contents |
| 23:41.49 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 23:42.00 | jim | or rmmod if you eant to take care of the deps yourself |
| 23:42.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 821] by debhelper |
| 23:42.07 | jim | want |
| 23:42.22 | Guerin | which,m if asking that question, you certainly don't |
| 23:42.32 | kazol | streuner: ? |
| 23:42.37 | *** join/#debian hark (n=strider@hark.slew.org) |
| 23:42.55 | *** join/#debian ehc (n=evan@wall.pacinfo.com) |
| 23:43.06 | streuner | kazol: or just a working NIC |
| 23:43.16 | jcranmer | wifi%d: unable to attach hardware: 'Hardware didn't respond as expected' (HAL status 3) |
| 23:43.37 | jim | how do you go about finding out if a metapackage and all its deps are on a particular cd? |
| 23:43.41 | kazol | streuner: Up to which cd would I need then? |
| 23:44.17 | *** join/#debian TheOnly (n=theonly@unix.forkbomb.nl) |
| 23:44.26 | jim | or s/meta// |
| 23:44.30 | streuner | kazol: why not just install via internet? |
| 23:44.43 | jcranmer | hmm, page says it needs r2153, and package seems to suggest r1551? |
| 23:44.52 | Guerin | jim: all deps are on the same cd as any package |
| 23:44.54 | kazol | streuner: It's easier for me to just download the images; I've already downloaded the first cd. |
| 23:45.09 | kazol | The directions told me it was "minimal install", but I'm wondering how "minimal" it is. |
| 23:45.24 | Guerin | pretty fucking minimal |
| 23:45.28 | jim | so if build-essential is on (say) cd1, then all of build-essential is there? |
| 23:45.30 | kazol | Without a GUI? |
| 23:45.37 | Guerin | hell yeah |
| 23:45.49 | Guerin | pretty much what the system needs to boot and get you a prompt |
| 23:45.50 | *** join/#debian Garda (n=Garda@60-240-111-242-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) |
| 23:45.56 | Guerin | ~300MB |
| 23:46.07 | jim | looks like you had 2 questions queued at that point. which are you answering with "hell yeah" |
| 23:46.27 | Guerin | jim: heh, hell yeah to both |
| 23:46.32 | jim | ok |
| 23:46.48 | jim | so if he had to build a driver he probably could |
| 23:46.57 | kazol | streuner: Do I need all 21 CDs??? |
| 23:47.07 | Guerin | kazol: you probably need CD1-3 |
| 23:47.11 | kazol | Oh, ok. |
| 23:47.19 | kazol | Thanks for the info. |
| 23:47.22 | Guerin | it's unlikely you've heard of most of the rest |
| 23:48.04 | *** join/#debian radhios (n=radhios@unaffiliated/radhios) |
| 23:48.12 | stew | kazol: you only need the first cd to get a working gui |
| 23:48.29 | *** join/#debian gordboy (n=gordboy@host81-156-246-217.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) |
| 23:48.35 | jim | what would he need for his wireless card |
| 23:48.37 | *** join/#debian dimedo (n=dimedo@xdsl-87-79-49-229.netcologne.de) |
| 23:49.00 | kazol | stew: What applications/packages would be included with that? |
| 23:49.31 | dimedo | is there a way to repopulate a trashed /var directory without reinstalling the system. the system was totally new, so that shouldn't be a problem either |
| 23:49.31 | jim | kazol: once you have your net up, everything is included |
| 23:49.34 | stew | kazol: if you want to see the contents, download the jigdo file for the cd, it is a gzipped list of packages |
| 23:49.51 | kazol | ok |
| 23:49.56 | streuner | jcranmer: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:50.11 | streuner | jcranmer: What kernel do you have installed, btw? |
| 23:50.13 | jim | kazol: can you temporarily do wired ethernet? |
| 23:50.40 | kazol | jim: I'm really tired of carrying the heavy computer upstairs. |
| 23:50.51 | jcranmer | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:51.07 | jim | so the answer is yes... do you have a long eth cable? |
| 23:51.08 | jcranmer | I have 2.6.24-1-486 installed |
| 23:51.23 | kazol | Not a long one. |
| 23:51.33 | stew | kazol: which wireless card? |
| 23:51.45 | kazol | Wait, I'll check. |
| 23:52.01 | martianixor | hi, folks I'm still unable to burn any CDs, what do I need to know before troubleshooting such problem |
| 23:52.08 | jim | maybe the installer already supports it |
| 23:52.10 | *** join/#debian derchris (n=derchris@87-194-89-163.bethere.co.uk) |
| 23:52.14 | streuner | jcranmer: show us the output of "lsmod" paste.debian.net |
| 23:52.41 | streuner | jcranmer: in* |
| 23:53.20 | itchi | martianixor: Can you burn it as root user? |
| 23:53.26 | martianixor | itchi: no |
| 23:53.34 | *** join/#debian Phase (i=phase@unaffiliated/phase) |
| 23:54.03 | jcranmer | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/421314 |
| 23:54.03 | *** join/#debian BaD-CrC (n=john@c-67-171-0-49.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 23:54.07 | jcranmer | streuner: ^^ |
| 23:54.11 | martianixor | itchi: is it a sign for permissions problem? |
| 23:54.19 | martianixor | s/for/of/ |
| 23:54.43 | itchi | martianixor: If you can't as root user, somethings else may be wrong |
| 23:54.58 | streuner | jcranmer: well, ath_pci is loaded, did you configure the wireless NIC yet? |
| 23:55.13 | martianixor | itchi: exactly, it's very strange, I just wish if I know what would be the problem, then I won't ask for help with it, I'll try to solve it on my own |
| 23:55.21 | jcranmer | streuner: with iwconfig? |
| 23:55.25 | kazol | stew: BCM4306 (Broadcom) |
| 23:55.30 | *** join/#debian seeds (n=haxor@pool-71-249-71-147.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:55.57 | streuner | jcranmer: what does iwconfig say, btw? |
| 23:55.59 | jim | kazol what os are you running right now? |
| 23:56.09 | kazol | jim: openSuSE |
| 23:56.09 | itchi | martianixor: Do you have /dev/cdrw ? And if yes, to what point this link |
| 23:56.13 | jcranmer | lists only lo and eth1, neither with wireless extensions |
| 23:56.29 | jim | ahh, can you pastbin the output of lspci |
| 23:56.32 | kazol | stew: I'll just install the ndiswrapper debian |
| 23:56.44 | martianixor | itchi: not really |
| 23:56.58 | martianixor | itchi: I have hdc |
| 23:57.12 | *** join/#debian hermogenes (n=user@200-103-111-4.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 23:57.13 | martianixor | itchi: hdc points to cdrom1 |
| 23:57.20 | itchi | martianixor: Mine is pointing to my cdrw device (aka hda) |
| 23:57.27 | tavo | Hi there, I am having problems with my IDE DVD burner. It works (mostly) but sometimes it won't read / burn a disk, then X becomes a slideshow, even the mouse pointer updates every 1 second or more. The only way I managed to restore responsiveness is disconnecting the power from the drive |
| 23:57.46 | itchi | martianixor: See that you are been looking for /dev/cdrw |
| 23:57.59 | martianixor | itchi: I did, I couldn't find any cdrw under /dev/ |
| 23:58.07 | *** join/#debian cman1 (n=curtis@pool-96-242-159-82.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:58.08 | *** join/#debian AwesomeGuy (n=vincec95@129.44.115.226) |
| 23:58.29 | cman1 | k3b gives me an error when trying to burn a .avi file |
| 23:58.39 | stew | kazol: you don't need to use ndiswrapper, /msg dpkg bcm43xx |
| 23:59.37 | jim | oh give me an error / whar the buf'lo feels terror / and the bits and the bytes sit all day... |
| 23:59.48 | itchi | martianixor: Have this burner even work on this system? |
